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Talk:Soledad O'Brien

Stephen Colbert

 * Why is there any entire section pertaining to references to Soledad O'Brien on the Colbert Report? The existance of that entire heading implies that the Colbert Report is more important that it really is. I guess some of the editors of this article really value the Colbert Report. Sounds pretty slanted to me. Bulljive 07 November, 2006
 * Not sure if this used to be an entire section, but even now as a sentence at the end of the article it seemed very out of place. Doesn't seem to be encylopedic content. croll 11:49, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I went ahead and removed it. Definitely out of place and unencyclopedic.  Poor sourcing too, so there's no sign that it's in any way notable.  - Maximusveritas (talk) 23:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Is anyone going to mention Stephen Colbert's obsession with her? —This unsigned comment was added by 200.88.134.145 (talk)
 * If you have a source for it then it would probably be better suited for Colbert's page, if it's really that notable. Pongley (talk) 15:45, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Criticism Section
Does this section need to be here at all? So, some republican talking heads think she leans a little bit too far left? SHOCKING! We could have an entire wiki page dedicated to crap one person has said about someone else. Particularly someone who is a paragon of journalism, in a time when proper journalism seems all but defunct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.207.20.4 (talk) 17:57, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Sensationalism

 * Is there a way to talk about, to identify her, or her employer CNN's, current bent on reporting towards sensationalism? Here she challenges a pacifist parent whose son was beheaded by Al Quaeda to feel happy about an Al Quaeda being killed:  "MICHAEL BERG: Well, my reaction is I'm sorry whenever any human being dies. Zarqawi is a human being. He has a family who are reacting just as my family reacted when Nick was killed, and I feel bad for that. (Watch Berg compare Zarqawi to President Bush -- 1:44) (PP) I feel doubly bad, though, because Zarqawi is also a political figure, and his death will re-ignite yet another wave of revenge, and revenge is something that I do not follow, that I do want ask for, that I do not wish for against anybody. And it can't end the cycle. As long as people use violence to combat violence, we will always have violence.  O'BRIEN: I have to say, sir, I'm surprised. I know how devastated you and your family were, frankly, when Nick was killed in such a horrible, and brutal and public way.  BERG: Well, you shouldn't be surprised, because I have never indicated anything but forgiveness and peace in any interview on the air.  O'BRIEN: No, no. And we have spoken before, and I'm well aware of that. But at some point, one would think, is there a moment when you say, 'I'm glad he's dead, the man who killed my son'?  BERG: No. How can a human being be glad that another human being is dead?"

 * No, Wikipedia, is not your soapbox. -- Jibal (talk) 04:46, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Structure of Article

 * Does this article seem backwards or is it just me? --Fluppy 11:42, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah it seems backwards. Kind of annoying actually.  Her reporting background should be chronological and not jump all over the place.
 * In accord with WP:Bold, I took a stab at redrafting this in chronological order. As I did so, it looks like there are some inconsistencies in the timeline. It's also a bit ugly, but one step closer to being cleaned up. Also, she has since been transferred (or removed) from the anchor's chair and is now a special correspondence of some sort. Article on this appeared in yesterday's Washington Post. croll 15:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Broadcasting Career

 * I'm almost positive that Soledad O'Brien was a cohost on Beyond 2000 (science and tech show), however I couldn't find a definite answer in my research. User:199.77.144.99

 * I can confirm that she was on the Discovery Channel TV show Beyond 2000 as a CO-Host back in the mid 90s (circa 1994-1995) with Henry Tennanbaum. At that Time the Discovery Channel was airing two different future technology shows, one was beyond 2000 and I cannot remember the name of the other one, but I remember what the host looked like of it (middle aged, light colored hair). --70.126.236.103 12:47, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

 * She was the "Sun Microsystems Infogal" on the show "Next Step." I added this fact to the article. --Howdybob 07:33, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

--70.126.236.103 12:53, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I found a youtube video of her: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YYZaz00oUt8

 * If I remember correctly, Soledad was an 'anchor' on "Channel One", a news program that was shown in my high school (Ben Lomond, Ogden, UT) in 1989 or 1990 or so. It was strange and new, because Channel One paid for TVs to be installed in our classrooms.  For five or ten minutes, they would broadcast some news and ads.  The TVs were paid for by Channel One's advertizers such as Mountain Dew soda pop, and Gillete Sensor razors.  At the time, it sparked debate about whether or not it was OK to let advertizers have this kind of access to our public schools, regardless of any educational side effect.  More than anything else, whenever I see Soledad give a news report, I think of this controversy and have a hard time listening to whatever else she is reporting on right now.  But I can't confirm the channel one thing.  This is so important to the history of Soledad, we must add it, but I don't have date details or better facts, just my memory.  I have no idea if channel one still exists, or if it went under. Auja 06:59, 5 February 2006 (UTC)  acefrahm.com

 * Channel One is still around http://www.channelone.com/common/about/  but Soledad never worked on it, or on "Beyond 2000" --69.125.180.36 01:10, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

 * There was also "Beyond Tomorrow," which was essentially the same thing as "Beyond 2000". However, I guess I could be getting confused with the "Know Zone."

 * Am I mistaken in remembering Soledad as an anchor on a CNET news show sometime in the mid 90s? Am I mixing that up with another tech show?

 * Sorry -- not sure if this will properly identify me, or if I am adding a comment incorrectly. Soledad was also on CNET TV o USA Network when it first launched (c. 1990-1992?) before the website, wasn't she? 67.170.107.99 14:06, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I took out a duplicative reference to the "Know Zone" and updated to reflect the news reports that she has lost her current slot to Kiran Chetry (with a cite).KD Tries Again 19:13, 9 April 2007 (UTC)KD

Anything notable happen on Soledad's show recently? Earlier shows of hers had 2008 political controversy around inaccuracy and/or bias and that is published but any recent 2012 items? Seems to be taboo for some reason or perhaps nobody bothered to add content...actually somebody DID step up but rather than make thoughtful improvements somehow it's easier for other editors to just delete. Funny how when breitbart.com is the reference, that can be blocked because of the reference itself, but when CNN is the reference THEN the content is the issue. It's fine to disagree with opinions but nobody is entitled to their own facts or blocking verified facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.21.231.123 (talk) 08:21, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

 * I remember Soledad on  The Know Zone  when it was on the Discovery Channel: http://soledadobrieninfo.blogspot.com/2010/12/know-zone.html 24.17.148.204 (talk) 04:28, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Dead link notation
Is there a more skilled Wikipedian who can verify the dead link notation, and reference to that page in web archive? Thank you. AndersW (talk) 05:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Education
It would be nice to have completion dates, & cet, for education, eg, Thank you. AndersW (talk) 05:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * graduated from Smithtown High School East 1984?
 * entered Radcliffe College 1984, class of 1988?
 * AB Harvard College 2000?

Husband's name
Is Mr Raymond Bradford or Bradley? AndersW (talk) 05:29, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Is the husband's birth year incorrect? It states 1995, which would make him 13 and make Soledad a pedophile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.147.252.220 (talk) 19:46, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Dead link
Hi all,

Reference #6 linking to Hispanic Magazine is dead and needs to be replaced by http://web.archive.org/web/20060103192542/http://www.hispaniconline.com/magazine/2005/June/CoverStory/index.html but I don't know how to do it. Can someone else help?

Best, Conor (talk) 15:18, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Book
Doesn't she have a book coming out?

98.245.148.9 (talk) 12:02, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 February 2012
I work with Soledad and we'd like to update her Wiki page a bit. Most of it is great, but in the TV Career section can we please update it to say the following. This is her official CNN bio.

(NOTE - I deleted from here a large cut and copy paste of the subject CNN bio - imo, such a large post was or could be in good faith, perceived as a Copyright violation -   You really can  18:56, 13 February 2012 (UTC))

Nastassiabrown (talk) 18:24, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

 * Hi we can't add this - there are copyright issues with just posting it here in completeness like this - We are looking for independent WP:RS to add content - if you present some I can look at them for you - we can use her CNN bio for small specific additions but only with care, as it is a WP:PRIMARY   You really can  18:54, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay thank you. I will add things in bit by bit, to avoid any infringement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nastassiabrown (talk • contribs) 19:48, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, cool - please provide a link to the web address so users can investigate - regards -   You really can  20:20, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Misleading or Confusing Criticism
Would someone read this and tell me exactly WTH this is supposed to convey? Accused of using Democratic Party talking points by former Governor of New Hampshire John Sununu, a Republican, during an interview with Sununu.
 * Criticism - 2012 - First Sentence

Seems a little recursive in the way the wording is typed, to me at least. Goldbishop (talk) 18:07, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

I didn't dramatically restructure it, but I added more detail for context. The criticism of O'Brien is largely coming from Fox News and other conservative attackers. I personally didn't see anything wrong with what she did, but it's not my job to make judgments. I added the parts about what induced Sununu to claim O'Brien should put on Obama bumper sticker on her head (her citation of generally non-partisan sources which indicated that the Affordable Care Act would extend the life of Medicare, and distinguishing this from the Ryan plan). I also noted that in the incident where she was looking at a liberal blog article, she made a single quotation from the article. I personally would actually remove the latter because there's nothing wrong with looking at an article, be it liberal or conservative. It's the job of journalists to question people, so it makes sense that she would look at a liberal article when she has a conservative person to talk to. Nonetheless, I'm biased, so I didn't remove anything, just added context.

15 August 2012, editor (not Goldbishop).

 * I've removed it for now. For one thing, the wording is unbalanced, and the sources are not reliable. The article might need to be temporarily protected against drive-by edits. - M0rphzone (talk) 06:43, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Transparently leftist bias on Wikipedia... AGAIN.
Absolutely NO MENTION of her ridiculous exchange with Joel Pollack when she was literally parroting nonsense she didn't understand from her producer about "critical race theory", which was really a watershed moment after which more scrutiny was placed on her to further document her blatant leftist/pro-Democratic bias. From what I recall, there was a subsequent edit-war which took place on the Wikipedia article for this "critical race theory" (essentially a neo-Marxist narrative of history), presumably by Soledad O'Brien's supporters and/or co-workers. A serious edit of this article is in order. Bobinisrael (talk) 20:20, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Transparently rightist biased trolling... AGAIN. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:01, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * In other words, you can't address anything I said, and instead prefer to respond to my legitimate and articulate criticism with a worthless one-liner. Unfortunately for you, I will edit the article to include Soledad O'Brien's humiliation at the hands of Joel Pollack.  Bobinisrael (talk) 23:05, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Like I said, trolling. As for 'articulate' that is a matter of opinion - If you actually think there are problems with an article, say why without insulting the subject of the article and previous contributors - or do you have any evidence that Soledad O'Brien's co-workers have edited this article? =And while you are at it provide sources to back up your other assertions. Incidentally, I see you refer to things you 'recall' which took place earlier on Wikipedia. I don't suppose you'd care to let us know what name you were editing under at the time? AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:21, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Enjoy :) Bobinisrael (talk) 00:34, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Hmm. "Soledad O'Brien's humiliation at the hands of Joel Pollack". So much for NPOV. After a cursory glance, I'm curious how many of the sources used in the 'righting' of this will stand as reliable. 76.248.149.47 (talk) 01:44, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I am free to speak candidly in the talk page, am I not? I used NPOV throughout my entire contribution on the main page of the article, which was predictably vandalised cia complete deletion from AndyTheGrump.  All of the sources I used are completely legitimate.  Good luck contesting ANY of the facts drawn from those sources. Bobinisrael (talk) 04:14, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

 * For what they are cited for? Not many, I'd think - they mostly seem to be conservative blogs. Then again, given Bobinisrael's self-confessed statements regarding intentionally editing against WP:NPOV policy (and WP:BLP, which applies on talk pages too), I doubt that he's going to be here long to defend it. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:10, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * They are all legitimate sources, but of course since they dissent from the leftist narratives you are committed to championing on Wikipedia, you blatantly vandalised the article by deleting the entire new section I composed. Perhaps you should create another "joe job" account in order to try again to silence me, because you won't win this one.Bobinisrael (talk) 04:14, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Note: Bobinisrael's blatant disregard for policy has been raised at Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:30, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * AndyTheGrump has vandalised the article, and completely deleted an edit I used many reliable sources. Assuming he's a tenured Wikipedian, he should know better. Just more good faith, apparently.Bobinisrael (talk) 04:07, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Not vandalism. The sources are not uniformly acceptable, and are no more neutral than is the intent to use them. They raise real WP:BLP issues. As well, the above accusation of Mr. Grump's using a sockpuppet won't help matters. 76.248.149.47 (talk) 04:49, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Please substantiate that claim. All you're doing is invoking a Wikipedia policy without giving a specific example from the sources I provided explaining how they violate this policy.  BE SPECIFIC - tell us which part of which article I sourced are unacceptable and why.  If you can't do it, then the paragraph will remain.  Bobinisrael (talk) 06:14, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It is 100% pure vandalism. The sources are absolutely acceptable, and the facts are not in dispute.  Apparently, if a source isn't the NYT or BBC (probably two bastions of objectivity, in your mind), it's suspect.  This is EXACTLY the bias I've come here to combat on Wikipedia. If you delete the section again I will escalate the issue.Bobinisrael (talk) 05:15, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * That is 100% pure ignorance - see WP:VANDAL. And WP:BRD. And WP:RS. And WP:BLP. And WP:NPOV. And then seek psychiatric help... AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:19, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * All you're doing is throwing around Wikipedia acronyms. What you still haven't done, and what you and I know you won't do, is provide SPECIFIC examples of how the articles I've cited in the paragraph violate any of these policies.  For all the effort you spent pursuing me and vandalising this article, it's revealing that you cannot do what you're being requested to do.  You're silencing dissent because it is sourced with some conservative news outlets, rather than specifically challenging the facts or the analysis.  Bobinisrael (talk) 06:19, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I have adhered to all of those Wikipedia policies. You saying something isn't reliable or neutral doesn't make it so.  You, on the other hand, are committed to vandalism.  If you have a specific grievance with a specific component of an article, go ahead and express your grievance.  Otherwise, it's vandalism, pure and simple. Anyways, I've escalated this issue.Bobinisrael (talk) 05:30, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Since you clearly have shit for brains, I'm no longer the slightest bit interested in discussing anything with you. AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:34, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Bob, the important thing to remember here is that sources that disagree with the left are NEVER valid sources on Wikipedia. 68.115.176.124 (talk) 11:25, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The important thing to remember is that right wingers are dishonest slime. -- Jibal (talk) 05:00, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Have we overdone the treacle in the 'Honors and recognitions' section?
Having successfully fought off the 'OMG leftist bias!' troll above, to avoid filling the 'Criticism' section with trivia regarding Ms O'Brien's apparent lack of familiarity with the finer points of (allegedly) Marxist sociological theory, I wonder whether it might be time to remove some of the praise-trivia too. I dare say it matters to the Delta Sigma Theta sorority that she's a member, but does it matter to the rest of us? Likewise, do we need to list speeches she's given to student bodies and the like? As for the awards she's been given, are they all actually significant?

Incidentally, I've just spotted an obvious copyvio in the section - the paragraph on the Goodermote Humanitarian Award is a straight copy-and-paste from the source, which I'll have to paraphrase. Contributors should know better than this... AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:59, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

 * If the sources are weak or nonexistent or the content is trivial, please do clean both the honors and criticism sections. Of course no consensus is required for standard housekeeping, but given recent circumstances it doesn't hurt to overdo the transparency. 76.248.149.47 (talk) 12:32, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

 * I've redone the criticism section, removing an excess of cites and removing a lot of the play-by-play and direct quotes. Next I'll go over the 'honors' section. 76.248.149.47 (talk) 20:33, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Any thoughts on whether keynote and commencement speeches, and being named in annual magazine lists merit inclusion? For someone else a couple of these would help to establish notability, but they're not so important here. 76.248.149.47 (talk) 23:35, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

 * I think we should mention the Delta Sigma Theta sorority, we mention Greek letter societies for other U.S. figures. TFD (talk) 06:55, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure that 'otherstuff' type arguments are particularly helpful here. Then again, as a Brit, I'm not overly-familiar with just how significant these societies actually are in the U.S. context. Do we have third-party sources which suggest that in this case O'Brien's membership of Delta Sigma Theta is of any note? As it was, there didn't seem to be any source at all. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:04, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It was covered in The Root and other alternative publications. As an active organization with 300,000 African American women members, it seems worth mentioning that O'Brien was given honorary membership.  TFD (talk) 16:27, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

NPOV - Criticism sections are frowned upon
Per various policies, "Criticism" sections are frowned upon. Content should woven through the article in the chronologically appropriate places. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  16:33, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

You are misunderstanding wikipedia policy. They are frowned upon but not banned, meaning they are not appropriate for everyone but are for some. She is controversial in a way that others in her field are not. She recieves lots of criticim. Its a noticable aspect of her fame. People like say...Brian Lamb or Jim Lerher are not controversial and do not recieve large amounts of criticism. She does. it should stay in — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.207.129.95 (talk) 05:30, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Your response above seems to indicate that you believe that "frowned upon" means "I can safely ignore this as though it didn't exist". No, frowned upon means "don't do it unless you have a really good reason". You have not provided a sufficient reason, except your personal belief that she's somehow more controversial than other television personalities.  Your personal belief is an insufficient rationale for breaking with expectations.  What you should do is to weave the criticism into where it belongs in the narrative in other places.  The article should contain notable criticism such that it doesn't represent an undue portion of the article, but the criticism should not be segregated into its own section.  -- Jayron  32  14:17, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Although I don't have a strong opinion about the content of this specific article (I dropped by looking for info on the subject) I would agree that Ignore All Rules sometimes makes good sense. An article on Morton Downey Junior (for instance), who gained notoriety as a controversial late-night talk-show host, might best be structured to incorporate a de facto criticism section, as criticisms make up a large portion of the subject's notability. Staying within the boundaries of Biographies of Living Persons may actually be easier if it is made clear in the body of the article that the validity of the criticisms taken as a body may be a point of discussion. TreacherousWays (talk) 20:21, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

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CNS
I stumbled upon this page and am fundamentally distressed at the CNS used here. The amount of effort it took to add these would have been much better focused on actually paraphrasing and adding citations. I think this is a biased and bizarre approach to clean up a page that obviously needs a lot of help. I am going to try to stabilize the page and improve it to make it more reflective of both her career and the quality of other articles about women on Wikipedia. I mean, I'm just really flabbergasted at the state of this article. Please be kind and bear with me while I work to fix the article. Thanks in advance. -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 18:17, 27 January 2017 (UTC) ;To Do
 * NPR
 * NYTimes
 * http://soledadobrien.info/ - only for original sources

 * To follow up, I did a massive scrub and added a ton of content. It's definitely not perfect but it's in better shape than it was. Only concern is that it seems like some of the information is pulling from http://soledadobrien.info/, possibly, and if so needs to be paraphrased. I don't have any more time to focus on doing more to this page. So if an editor wants to go through that website and compare and contrast and paraphrase and/or find better original sources -- which there seem to be a ton of, actually, then go for it.
 * But my main concern that the article was not neutral in places, and had the awful cns formatting, which I've not seen used so extensively, that's fixed. -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 06:40, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

 * Also just want to mention that this article is pretty extensive, but for someone who has been working in the industry for such a long time -- and at major TV networks, I think that this page merits the depth that's here. Her career sections could actually be further developed, but for the rest, I think someone of her career who was a man, this would be fine. So.... :-) -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 06:42, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

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Bromley Cross railway station

Bromley Cross railway station, on Chapeltown Road in Bromley Cross, a suburb to the north of Bolton, England, is served by the Northern 'Ribble Valley' line 2+3/4 mi north of Bolton. The station is just south of the point where the double line merges into one.

History
Grade II-listed Bromley Cross Railway Station was established in June 1848, on a branch line authorised by an Act of 30 June 1845, initially by the Blackburn, Darwen and Bolton Railway and was originally provided with a temporary, timber station 'building', described in one local newspaper report of 1854 as a 'cold wooden shed'. This founding railway merged to become The Bolton, Blackburn, Clitheroe and West Yorkshire Railway in 1847, which later became part of the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway (L&YR) in 1858. Permanent station buildings were provided along the line in 1859, constructed with locally quarried sandstone, by Joseph Greenup and Co of Manchester. The original minutes of the railway company held at the National Archives, Kew, reveal that the engineers drew up the plans for the 1859 building, the estimated cost being £350, which also included building a 'detached cottage' which survives next to the signal box. The dimensions of the original station building are approx. 39 ft in length by 15 ft wide. A minute from later that year (6 December 1859) recorded that 'permanent platforms' at the station were now 'in the course of erection'. There was a raising of the platform heights 'fully a foot the whole length' in 1886, the local newspaper reporting 'a goodly number of men being engaged on the work'.

The working goods yard at the station was a crucial part of a country station's existence and two surviving memos sent in 1874 to Bromley Cross refer to the delivery of cheese and tins of lard etc. to the local Co-op stores and also that goods despatched could have problems; 'all in this truck very wet when received here'. Plans were drawn up around 1891 for an extension to the warehouse, with new goods offices and other track and signalling works. Apart from the main station building, with waiting room built in, there was a 'waiting shed' recorded on both platforms in L&YR days. After the takeover by the LMSR in 1923, plans were drawn up for improved general waiting rooms (GWRs) on both platforms, complete with internal stove heating. The free-standing timber GWR positioned along the platform from the main station building has its full specifications revealed in surviving design plans held in the County Archives and its dimensions are given as approx 27 ft in length by 10 ft deep, which means it had approx 70 per cent of the length of the original building. It may have been at the time of adding this sizeable additional timber waiting room that the decision was taken to block off the central doorway on the main 1859 building. This originally led into a large waiting area and booking hall, complete with benches around the sides of the room and use of the second smaller internal wall clock face to aid timekeeping. After the change, this original waiting hall became the staff ticket office seen today, which swapped over from the end part of the building where the public now buy tickets. There is a boarded-over rear corner fireplace just under the modern train time display screen, hence the chimney seen on the outside rear corner of the building. The GWR on the Manchester platform can be seen in late 1960s photos but must have been removed by around 1970 and by the 1980s a new waiting room extension in stone was added on to the end of the 1859 station building, in place of the gentlemen's lean-to toilets. A small waiting room provided in the station's central section was then closed and reserved for staff use (storage). There was also a detailed LMSR design plan for the proposed reconstruction of the LYR waiting shed into a GWR on the Blackburn platform, measuring approx 25 ft by 7 ft 6in, complete with a 'Princess May No. 1 Stove' and also several 'Littleton Lamps'. This GWR, if built, had become a small closed brick waiting shed as seen on a mid-1960s photo and by the 1970s this appeared to be replaced with the very basic open-fronted brick shed (now boarded up) that exists today, alongside which is now its replacement, an open bus shelter type stand with metal swivel seating – all of which represents a substantial reduction in facilities to what had been provided in LYR and LMSR days. There was a road level crossing at the station which closed in 1966/7, with the pedestrian crossing remaining. In the early 1970s, the former goods yard with its shed, to the north of the station, whose sidings were recovered in September 1967, was redeveloped as a housing estate.

Though built as double track (and used by expresses to and from Scotland from 1880), the line to the north was singled by British Rail in 1973 as part of the East Lancashire line resignalling scheme. Some of the line southwards toward Bolton was also reduced to single track in 1985 (again due to signalling modernisation work), though the double track portion through the station was retained to act as a passing loop. The station was owned by the London Midland and Scottish Railway in 1923, and the London Midland Region of British Railways, as it was known after nationalisation in January 1948. The London Midland Region ceased to be an operating unit in its own right in the 1980s and was wound up at the end of 1992.

Services
The former franchise operator Arriva Rail North announced a much enhanced all-day half-hourly service on weekdays and Saturdays in both directions from December 2017, rather than merely at morning and evening peak periods as before. The additional services however start/terminate at Blackburn, so the service through to Clitheroe remains hourly. The Sunday service is hourly to Clitheroe. Southbound trains continue beyond Manchester Victoria to Rochdale on Mondays to Saturdays.

Facilities
Parking is adjacent to the station, with overflow parking opposite and neighbouring Turton Media Arts College. The station is staffed on a part-time basis (mornings and early afternoons only, Monday to Saturday), with a ticket office and waiting room on the southbound platform. A ticket machine is also available for use outside opening hours and for the collection of pre-paid/advance purchase tickets. The platforms are fully accessible for disabled travellers (step-free access to both, northbound via the foot crossing) and there are passenger information screens and a public announcement system in place.

Station clock
The station clock was probably installed in the early 1900s and is clearly seen on a 1912 photograph, with an identical clock noted on a 1905 photograph of once nearby Turton Station. The clock has a London Midland Scottish Railway (LMSR) identity number, an oval brass disc nailed onto the clock's long case (LMS 9994), this number indicating that the clock was installed by the L&YR before the creation of the LMS in 1923. In 1996 the clock was restored to working order by the Railway Heritage Trust and is a rare survivor, being still hand-wound weekly.

Grade II listing
The 1848 original low-level platform, the 1859 station building, and the 1875 signal box were all Grade II listed in early 2015.

Signal box
The Grade II-listed signal box at the station is a Smith and Yardley type 1 brick box opened in December 1875, almost certainly timed to service the new connections to short sidings that were opened that winter, these works being checked and then approved with minor modifications by the Board of Trade inspector Colonel Hutchinson in documentation dated February 1876. One interesting requirement was that the wicket gates had to be locked by levers in the signal cabin and this basic protection can now be dated with certainty to that time. The box, one of three types, was supplied by Manchester-based Emily Sophia Yardley, a widow who had taken over her late husband's ironmongery business, together with her step-brother William Smith, who was recorded in the April 1861 Census records as being an 'engineer' aged 21. The extension to the goods yard at the station by the early 1900s, together with new loop lines and increased signalling, brought about an enlargement of the lever frame in the signal box. Inserting this new frame probably required the partial removal of some of the front brickwork of the 1875 cabin. This can be seen today in the distinct contrast between much older brick lower down and a quite different brick face on the upper area. The signal box has an operating floor which is 8 ft 7in above the platform level, according to early LYR Engineer's Office drawings. Bromley Cross signal box formerly acted as a 'fringe' to the power boxes at Preston (which controls the line to Blackburn) and Manchester Piccadilly (which supervises the passing loop and line south towards Bolton) – their train description systems were incompatible with each other and so the box here was retained to act as a link between them. Its sole use now is to supervise the adjacent pedestrian foot crossing and the protecting signals (with four working levers), since the interface between the two signalling centres has been upgraded so that they can communicate directly. In circa 2004 the signal box was modernised with timber work replaced in PVC (the windows were replaced in a different pattern), and new steel steps and an oversized metal safety cage finally added. In November 2016 the foot crossing was entirely renewed, and the short timber-topped former link platform running under the front of the signal box removed, so exposing the lowest brick layers of the box for the first time in many decades.

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Ettumanoor

Ettumanoor is a municipality in the Kottayam district of Kerala, India. It is located 10 km north of the district headquarters in Kottayam and about 129 km north of the state capital Thiruvananthapuram. As per the 2011 Indian census, Ettumanoor has a population of 26,993 people, and a population density of 1687 /sqkm.

Etymology
The name of the place had its mythological origin from the word 'man oor' in Malayalam, which means the place of deer as 'maan' means deer and 'oor' means place. Another version is that the name originated from the 'Ettu Mana Ooru', ie, 'The Land of Eight Namboothiri Manas' or 'Ashta Grihas'. These Eight Manas (Brahmin families) are the original Ooralans of great Ettumanoor Mahadeva Temple. Ettumanoor is a historical place as myths have said that the Pandavas and the sage Vyasa had established the famous Ettumanoor Mahadeva temple here.

Transportation
The town has two bus stands. A KSRTC station master office with bus station and a well built private bus stand. All Deluxe, Express and interstate buses stop here. Direct buses are available to all places including Bangalore, Mangalore, Theni, Cumbum, Velankanni, Palani, Madurai, Tuticorin, Kanyakumari, Salem and Coimbatore. The bus stands are close and a big market is sandwiched between the bus stands, this has made Ettumanoor a convenient shopping place. Two state highways are crossing each other in the town and another two are starting from the town. This makes the town an important changing point for the commuters. Recent development in the nearby areas / start up of new institutions in the neighbour hood and easiness in conveyance has made the town the dearest location for migration. This has led to an increase in the population and change in demography.

Economy
Industrial Estate under the government of Kerala and Government of India Production center are major industrial centres in Ettumanoor. It is the only industrial estate in Kerala under the Ministry of Labor, Govt. of India. Rolling shutters, Bakery items, Rubber products, wood products etc. are main products.

Ettumanoor was the main centre of building material trade since the 1950s in central Travancore. N T Paul and company was established in 1946 in Ettumanoor. Nearby areas of the town like cheruvandoor, koodalloor and kothanallor are known for production of vegetables. Places in the east and south like kattachira and kandanchira are known for pottery and bricks. During first half of last century Ettumaoor was known for trading and some people like Hassan Rawther known as a trader.

There is one big fish market opening daily from early morning of 4.00 AM behind Private Bus Stand stand of Ettumanoor town under the control of Ettumanoor Municipal Corporation. There is another big vegetable market functions at Peroor Junction of Ettumanoor. One Supplyco Kerala State Civil Supplies Corporation store also functions at Peroor Junction which offers consumable goods to public at subsidized prices. There are number of Marriage halls like Sree Shylam, Nandavanam and Thomson Kaylas, functioning in Ettumanoor for arranging marriage functions. A newly constructed multiplex cinema theatre by United Global Media a.k.a. UGM Entertainments is located at Court Junction. The theatre is rated to have 4K projector system on one screen with seating capacity of @70, and another 2 screens with 2K projector system, which all of these are Dolby Atmos certified.

Education
The Mahatma Gandhi University which was established on 2 October 1983 is situated in Athirampuzha 6.7 km southwest of the town. An industrial training institute called ITI, a Government Boys' H.S., Girls' model High School and a Teachers Training School and lower primary school are the government educational institutions and SFS Public School and Junior College, Shree Vidyadhiraja Higher Secondary School, Ebenezer International Residential School are the privately run ones. Town U.P.S School is Pvt. Aided and Established in 1918 is the oldest one. Colleges in Ettumanoor affiliated to M G University are the Mangalam Campus and Ettumanoorappan College, Ettumanoor. There is more than dozen of colleges and professional institutions in Ettumanoor constituency. Ettumanoor is the headquarters of Kerala Chuvar Chithra Kala Kendram (Govt. of Kerala).

Hospitals
Government Medical College, Kottayam is located 6 km far away from Ettumanoor Town. Direct private and public buses are available from Ettumanoor to Kottayam Medical college. A Kerala Government well run general hospital is available at Ettumanoor nearby old Panchayth office for general treatments with free of cost.

Two private hospitals named Caritas Hospital and Matha Hospital are located within a 3 km radius from central junction towards Kottayam. Mitera hospital provides mother and child specific care, which is located at Thellakom.

Politics
Ettumanoor assembly constituency is part of Kottayam (Lok Sabha constituency).

The major political parties present in Ettumanoor are Indian National Congress, Communist Party of India (Marxist), Communist Party of India, Kerala Congress and Bharathiya Janatha Party. Presently the Ettumanoor Municipality is ruled by the Indian National Congress

Mahadeva Temple
The ancient Ettumanoor Mahadevar Temple here has brought glory and fame to the place. Myths have it that the Pandavas and the sage Vyasa had worshipped at this temple. The name of the place had its origin from the word 'manoor', which means the home of deer.

The present temple building, with its gopuram and the fortress around it, was reconstructed in 717 ME (1542 AD). There are Dravidian mural paintings on the walls inside and outside of the main entrance. The fresco of Pradosha Nritham (Dance of Shiva) is one of the finest Wall painting in India. There is a golden flag staff inside the temple. On the top of it is the idol of a bull surrounded by small bells and metal leaves of the banyan tree. The temple roofs are covered with copper sheets and it has 14 ornamental tops. Bhagavati, Sastha, Ganapathy and Yakshi are installed here as subordinate deities. It is believed that the great philosopher, Sankaracharya wrote the 'Soundaraya Lahari' staying in the temple.

Festivals
The famous Ettumanoor Mahadevar Temple hosts the arattu festival celebrated on a grand scale on the Thiruvathira day in February–March every year. Lot of people come to this temple on the 8th and 10th day of the festival when seven and half elephants (in Malayalam: ezharaponnaana) made of gold (nearly 13 kg) will be held in public view.this statue was donated to the temple by a travancore maharaja. The temple, the wealthiest Devaswom in Kerala, has many valuable possessions.

The Thulabharam is one of the important rituals of this temple. People make offerings to God for favours received. On balance, the child or man for whom offerings were promised to God, is weighed against offerings ranging from gold to fruits. Ettumanoor is an important pilgrim Centre of Hindus.

The history of origin of Ettumaanoorappan is from Kattampakk, a small village in Kottayam district.

Etumanoor was a temple town; so the great sage vyasa came to the temple as a mahamuni.

Ettumanur railway station
Ettumanoor railway station was the hub for steel supply for Idukki dams during its construction. Express trains like Venad Express and Parasuram express stop at the railway station. During festivals at Ettumanur temple, express trains like Vanchinad Express have special stops here.

Notable people

 * Karoor Neelakanta Pillai
 * S. P. Pillai
 * Victor George
 * V. D. Rajappan
 * Dennis Joseph

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RKO Publicity photo of Fred Astaire (left, on chair) and Hermes Pan (kneeling) during rehearsals c.1937

Note that the drawing on the blackboard was an invention of the publicity dept. whereas Astaire and Pan never used such diagrams in their work. Astaire voiced his contempt for the blackboard by adding some marks and, when Pan asked what they meant, he replied "That's the horseshit" (cf. Bob Thomas: Astaire, The Man, The Dancer. Wiedenfeld and Nicholson, London, 1985 pp.125-126). The photograph also illustrates this in-joke.

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Maricica Puică

Maricica Puică (née Luca on 29 July 1950) is a retired Romanian middle-distance runner. She is the 1984 Olympic champion in the 3,000 metres. One of the greatest female middle-distance runners of the 1980s, she also twice won the World Cross Country Championship (1982, 1984) and broke the world record for the mile in 1982.

Career
Puică was born in Iași, Romania and competed at the 1976 Montreal Olympics and the 1980 Moscow Olympics, where she finished seventh in the 1,500 m. In 1978, she placed fourth in the 3,000 m at the European Championships. In March 1982, she won the IAAF World Cross Country Championships. In August, she won a silver medal in the 3,000 m at the European Championships behind Svetlana Ulmasova. She also finished fourth in the 1,500 m final. A month later in September, she broke Mary Decker's world mile record of 4:18.08 with 4:17.44 in Rieti.

Puică missed the 1983 World Championships due to injury, but returned in early 1984 to win her second World Cross Country Championship title. Then in the Summer, she won the inaugural 3,000 m title at the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics, a race remembered more for the collision of Mary Decker and Zola Budd. At those Games, she also won a bronze medal in the 1,500 m behind Italy's Gabriella Dorio and Romanian teammate Doina Melinte.

In July 1986, at the London Grand Prix, she broke Tatyana Kazankina's world 2,000 m record of 5:28.72, with a time of 5:28.69. At the 1986 European Championships in Stuttgart, she won a silver medal in the 3,000 m, behind Olga Bondarenko of the Soviet Union. She was also fifth in the 1,500 m final. 1987 began with her winning a bronze medal in the 3,000 m at the World Indoor Championships in Indianapolis, finishing behind the Soviet pair of Tatyana Samolenko and Bondarenko. Later that year, aged 37, she won a silver medal in the 3000 m at the World Championships in Rome, again behind Samolenko.

Puica competed at her fourth and final Olympic Games in Seoul 1988, where she dropped out of her 3000 m heat with just 200 metres to go.

In 1989, she spoke on Romanian television in support of the revolutionaries fighting against the regime of Nicolae Ceaușescu. (However Nicolae Ceaușescu ignored the Soviet Union boycott of the 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles, in contrast to the other East European countries.)

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Knee (disambiguation)

A knee is a joint typical of mammals, birds and arthropods.

Knee may also refer to:

Shapes
Structures with relatively sharp bends, such as:
 * Knee (construction), a bent piece of wood that takes stress, as commonly used in construction of wooden boats
 * Knee (geography), a distinctive riverbend
 * Cypress knee, structure on cypress-tree root

Places

 * Knees, the German name for Satchinez, Timiș County, Romania

People

 * Allan Knee, a film and television writer and playwright
 * Bernie Knee (1924–1994), a singer/musician
 * Christian Knees (born 1981), a German racing cyclist
 * Derek Knee, (1922–2014), an interpreter for Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery
 * Fred Knee (1868–1914), a British trade unionist and socialist politician
 * Gina Knee (1898–1982), American painter
 * Miriam Knee (born 1938), a former Australian cricketer

Science and technology

 * Hard knee or soft knee, a setting in an electronic audio compressor device
 * Knee energy region in physics is an energy spectra for cosmic rays
 * Knee of a curve, for example see maximum power point tracker

Other uses

 * Knee (strike), a strike with the kneecap or the surrounding area
 * KNEE (FM), a radio station (95.1 FM) licensed to serve Nenana, Alaska, United States
 * KNEE-LD, a defunct low-power television station (channel 10) formerly licensed to serve Malaga, etc., Washington, United States
 * "Knees", a song by Bebe Rexha from the album Expectations
 * "Knees", a 2018 single by Ocean Alley, from the album Chiaroscuro

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Thanks for uploading Image:HermesPan.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

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I have updated the copyright information as requested. D7240 14:17, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Royal Wedding quote
Do you happen to have a date for the Ava letter regarding the vacuum commercial? I think it's OK as is to say it was printed in Time and Variety, but given the nature of the letter, someone might snip it as being not sourced enough (I've seen that happen in other articles). A date might also be helpful for researchers since digital manipulation is controversial; also I do recall hearing that Astaire's estate did approve the ad, though it's possible they didn't realize what was planned (that said, Royal Wedding is public domain so they may have had no say at all). Also, was it only in 1997 that the ad was made? I thought it was earlier than that, like 1990-1992. Time flies. Cheers. 23skidoo 15:17, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

You make a good point and I've added a citation for the source for this entry. The commercial first aired during the 1997 Suberbowl. Although Royal Wedding (like Second Chorus) as an entire film is public domain, Astaire's estate has sole rights over the use of any film clips which feature him, for more on this see Fred Astaire's solo and partnered dances or Billman's book. D7240 12:45, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Good work with the citation. I remember seeing the ad myself and being none too pleased. There was also a cola ad (or some similar product) using footage of Bogart and Monroe that was kinda tacky. A few months back I heard something about Lauren Bacall going ballistic because of a European ad for, I believe, cigarettes that featured Bogart who died of lung cancer... 23skidoo 14:25, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Eleanor Powell
Thanks for solving the Great Morgan mystery! I knew it couldn't have been one of the Broadway films as was stated in another source. Do you actually have a copy of the Powell book cited? I've been trying to track down a copy for ages but unfortunately the only copy I can find is on Amazon for something like $100. 23skidoo 18:30, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

 * You're very welcome. Unfortunately, all of the Bio-Bibliographies in the Performing Arts are priced as academic monographs - which essentially they are. I don't own a copy, although I believe I can access one via a library. What I did in this case was to use my account with Amazon.com who will allow me to access a (very) limited number of pages of the book through the search inside feature. This is very useful for validating specific inquiries, in those books where the search inside facility is available. They will not allow you to save a copy of any page you access, so you either need to transcribe the information, or use some other technique (e.g. digital camera). And they will not allow you full access to more than about ten pages before cutting your full page access off. On a side note, according to Schultz, the song that Eleanor is dancing to is "Got a Pair of New Shoes" which was on the music title lists for Broadway Melody of 1938 and was recorded for that film. This may have been what your source was alluding to. The specific arrangement Eleanor dances to is a special one by Walter Bullock. D7240 12:31, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for uploading Image:Fred Astaire - Style.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:

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 * Thank you for alerting me to the presence of a duplicate of Image:Astaire at NBC 1936.jpg on Wikipedia Commons. Unfortunately it is a duplicate of the fair use image I uploaded, and refers to Image:Astaire at NBC 1936.jpg as its source, while relicensing it under a Japanese license. As this is an NBC publicity photograph, I am almost certain that this relicensing is incorrect. Therefore I have restored the page to its previous state, pending the outcome of this deletion request. I have also edited the image description page and the image description page to reflect this situation D7240 18:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * In your edit to the article Fred Astaire you wrote: "however, book cover definitely violates fair use since article is not about a book". You may be correct, but the template Template:Book cover doesn't actually say that. It says it might. Because this is not a black and white issue. There are plenty of unfree images on Wikipedia such as book covers, magazine covers, movie screenshots which are used in articles because they are inextricably associated with the subject of the article. The book in question is about nothing other than Fred Astaire, and it is used as a reference within the article. The purpose of this image is to communicate the fact that Astaire was considered one of the leading male fashion icons of his time - not just a dancer, actor and singer. Not to mention that he detested his usual portrayal in top hat and tails. What better way to illustrate all that than this book cover? Also, by relocating Image:Astaire at NBC 1936.jpg to the top of the page, you remove it from the section dealing with Astaire the singer. The fair use rationale I associated with this image states that it be used specifically for the purpose of portraying Astaire as a leading vocalist of the 1930s, moving it weakens this rationale. Of course, if it was a free image, as I know you assumed it was, that would be fine, but I'm pretty sure it isn't. D7240 19:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The infobox is for an identification photo. The reason why I put the replaceable image tag is both because it is a book cover and also because there are pd images for that purpose available. For example, at the moment, I am downloading Royal Wedding from archive.org in order to get some color screenshots of him for commons. As for the image on commons that is up for deletion, I assume that either the poster has special information about its Japanese copyright status, or that the image will be deleted. --PhantomS 20:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, you only placed a tag relating to a Public Domain replacement. In future, if you have a problem with the fair use viability of an image, especially where an image has been properly sourced and a fair use argument supplied, please make use of the appropriate tags such as fairusereview or tag fair use disputed with explicit arguments on the image discussion page as per Fair use on why you disagree with a particular fair use rationale. This way, people can understand exactly what you mean. D7240 23:03, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Category:Songs introduced by Fred Astaire
Did you really mean to put that in the Category:Songs introduced by Fred Astaire? CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 10:37, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes. Why? D7240 10:40, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry that was written badly but you have "Category:Songs introduced by Fred Astaire" in "Category:Songs introduced by Fred Astaire". Should it not be in something like Category:Fred Astaire? CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 10:43, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely right. Many thanks, I've fixed it now. D7240 10:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Having noticed that "Category:Fred Astaire" is a redlink I am promted to ask where there isn't a category for him (and other very notable people) when there are categories like Category:Barney & Friends. It would seem to me that the category you just created, articles like Fred Astaire's solo and partnered dances and his filmography would populate it quite well. Cheers. 10:56, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Excellent idea. You'll have to excuse me, but I'm only just becoming familiar with the category concept, never having used it up to now. D7240 10:59, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * On further investigation, there was a category for Fred Astaire, but it was deleted after a discussion, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_March_4. I agree with the decision, and I think it is correct to expect that a wider range of disparate articles, not navigable from the main article on Astaire, should be present before establishing such a category. The Frank Sinatra category seems to be a good example of category use. D7240 23:07, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Good one on finding that. The deletetion debate makes sense. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 02:34, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

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 * If you check the history on this image you will find that I added the fairusereplace tag back in March. The reason I added it was to invite somebody to provide a high quality screenshot from the film. D7240 09:46, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

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Please STOP removing my fair-use rationale and then tagging the image as having no fair-use rationale!!! Thank you. SFTVLGUY2 14:18, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There is no fair use rationale provided for this image. But in any event, I did not tag it, BetacommandBot did. Not only that, the claim that it is a screenshot is bogus. D7240 14:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
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 * Agreed. D7240 16:23, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Gordon Jackson
Hello. From what I understand fair-use images, of which this is one, are totally permissible for dead people. For a living person they should not be used where a free one is available, but for dead people I don't believe there is a problem. Also, this picture has been on there some time, no one has yet queried it, so I don't see why there need be a problem. If it was illegal to use, an Admin would have picked it up by now, they normally do. --UpDown 19:29, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

'The Half of it, Dearie' Blues
Thanks for your nice contribution to 'The Half of it, Dearie' Blues :) I created the article with the aim of creating articles on all the songs in Ella's songbooks. I know that Astaire is so intimately tied to the Gershwin's works, if you could add any more to the songs listed at Ella Fitzgerald Sings the George and Ira Gershwin Songbook, it would be 's'wonderful'? Gareth E Kegg 20:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Glad to help. D7240 19:33, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Ginger Rogers
Film poster which isn't being used solely to illustrate the film in question and therefore doesn't meet fair use criteria. I've removed it. Tubetends 11:56, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmmmmmmmmm...A list calls
Thanks for arguing. Perhaps a subsection of Alphabetical list of songs recorded by Frank Sinatra/Astaire would be best? Gareth E Kegg 10:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you're right. On reflection, a category doesn't seem the right approach. D7240 12:54, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Help!
The Wikinazis are on the march again! Could you help here? Gareth E Kegg 09:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't characterize them as such - challenge and defence is part and parcel of Wikipedia - but I'm happy to add my voice. D7240 12:29, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your support. InnocuousPseudonym 16:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Eleanor Powell
Thank you for rescuing the image on Eleanor Powell. I have been so utterly and completely spammed by the image bots that I have decided to ignore all their requests and allow my images to be deleted without question. My rationale for that is they were perfectly fine when I provided the original rationale and I refuse to do any further work unless I am paid for my time. That said, it is nice to see at least some of my images are being watched by others, so I thank you for your time and effort. It's a shame a group of zealots have basically destroyed Wikipedia for a lot of us. Please do not reply to my talk page -- though I invite you to look at it to see how it has been rendered unuseable -- but I invite you to contact me via "E-mail this user" if you so desire. 23skidoo 01:48, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
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External lyric links
This seems to be a relatively new policy change. It used to be considered acceptable to link to a lyrics site, as long as you didn't actually copy the lyrics into the Wikipedia page. The position, I believe, was that Wikipedia is not going to police whether other Websites have followed the copyright rules. If Wikipedia is going to act as a copyright policeman on other people's sites, it will become less useful as a reference because the articles will have less useful information.

This being said, if this is now Wikipedia policy, so be it. But you have a couple of thousand other pages to go to and delete external references to song lyric sites. I have better uses for my time. -- BRG 13:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * From my reading of the policy: External_links, Wikipedia is anxious to ensure editors are not held liable for contributory copyright infringement, which the framers of the policy appear to think is a risk. I have no intention of policing anything, but when I happen on pages which fall within my pretty restricted sphere of interest, I correct such issues. No big deal. D7240 15:38, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

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Carioca
I created Carioca (song) and wondered if you could possibly correct what I've written about Astaire and/or add to it? Thanks :) P.S. Do you fancy creating List of songs introduced by Fred Astaire? after the category was deleted. I'm to create one for Sinatra. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 17:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Gene Kelly
Thanks for adding the Hirschhorn citation to the bit about him teaching dance for a synagogue. I was wondering why you felt it only worth mentioning as a footnote? --Stetsonharry (talk) 22:45, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Kelly picture
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The Astaire Story
Any thoughts?..... Gareth E Kegg (talk) 11:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The Astaire Story has been created. I humbly invite you to mercilessly re edit. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 11:25, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

An Evening with Fred Astaire
Thanks for your great contributions to An Evening with Fred Astaire a few months ago. I started the article and did what I could, but it's nice to see it get some polish from someone who obviously knows a lot more than I do about Fred Astaire. Hopefully, one day the Astaire estate will notice the amount of interest the show has drawn, and finally release it (and its sequels) commercially -- and it would be nice to think the article will have played a part. Regards, Pro hib it O ni o ns  (T) 18:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

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FLC nominations and reviews
Hi, D7240. You may not be aware, but the new Featured list criteria was implemented Sunday 5 April, 00:56 (UTC) following two weeks of discussion at Wikipedia talk:Featured list criteria.

I've gone through the nominations and have noticed the following have received reviews from you, but no indication whether or not you support or oppose their promotion to WP:FL: Please could you take the time to revisit the articles and candidate pages, check them against the new Featured list criteria, and indicate whether or not you support or oppose their promotion to WP:FL. It would be much appreciated as the nomination will not have to be kept open any longer than necessary.
 * 1) Featured list candidates/Gene Kelly filmography/archive1 (Gene Kelly filmography)

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