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 * Agree. It seemed at first more natural to follow the Russian grammatical pattern, where георгиевская is used as an adjective, but you're absolutely right of course. Thanks for amending and redirecting the page anew. Will try to announce any new article on the relevant portal in the future! Emigrant123 11:06, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

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User:Jcbspygirl

I'm a 13 year old student in Washington, USA!

I've been doing edits on Wikipedia for a long time, but I finally decided to stop being lazy and get myself an account!

I guess there's not much to say about me... yet.

EDIT: Not 13 anymore. It's been a loooong time...

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Jungle Strike

Jungle Strike is a video game developed and published by Electronic Arts in 1993 for the Sega Genesis. The game was later released on several other consoles such as the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES), and an upgraded version was made for DOS computers. The Amiga conversion was the responsibility of Ocean Software while the SNES and PC DOS versions were that of Gremlin Interactive, and the portable console versions were of Black Pearl Software. It is the direct sequel to Desert Strike (a best-seller released the previous year) and is the second installment in the Strike series. The game is a helicopter-based shoot 'em up, mixing action and strategy. The plot concerns two villains intent on destroying Washington, D.C. The player must use the helicopter and occasionally other vehicles to thwart their plans.

Its game engine was carried over from a failed attempt at a flight simulator and was inspired by Matchbox toys and Choplifter. Jungle Strike retained its predecessor's core mechanics and expanded on the model with additional vehicles and settings. The game was well received by most critics upon release. Publications praised its gameplay, strategy, design, controls and graphics.

Plot
Jungle Strike features two antagonists: Ibn Kilbaba, the son of Desert Strike's antagonist, and Carlos Ortega, a notorious South American drug lord. The opening sequence depicts the two men observing a nuclear explosion on a deserted island, while discussing the delivery of "nuclear resources" and an attack on Washington D.C.; Kilbaba seeks revenge for his father's death at the hands of the US, while Ortega wishes to "teach the Yankees to stay out of my drug trade".

The player takes control of a "lone special forces" pilot. The game's first level depicts the protagonist repelling terrorist attacks on Washington, D.C., including the President's limousine. Subsequent levels depict counter-attacks on the drug lord's forces, progressing towards his "jungle fortress". In the game's penultimate level, the player pursues Kilbaba and Ortega to their respective hideouts before capturing them.

The final level takes place in Washington, D.C. again, where the two antagonists attempt to flee after escaping from prison. The player must destroy both Kilbaba and Ortega and stop four trucks carrying nuclear bombs from blowing up the White House. The PC version also extends the storyline with an extra level set in Alaska, in which the player must wipe out the remainder of Ortega's forces under the command of a Russian defector named Ptofski, who has taken control of oil tankers and is threatening to destroy the ecosystem with crude oil if his demands are not met. Once all levels are complete, the ending sequence begins and depicts the protagonist and his co-pilot in an open-topped car in front of cheering crowds.

Gameplay
Jungle Strike is a helicopter-based shoot 'em up, mixing action and strategy. The player's main weapon is a fictionalised Comanche attack helicopter. Additional vehicles can be commandeered: a motorbike, hovercraft and F-117. The latter in particular features variable height and unlimited ammunition, but is more vulnerable to crashes. The game features an "overhead" perspective "with a slight 3D twist". The graphics uses a 2.5D perspective which simulates the appearance of being 3D.

Levels consist of several missions, which are based around the destruction of enemy weapons and installations, as well as rescuing hostages or prisoners of war, or capturing enemy personnel. The helicopter is armed with machine guns, more powerful Hydra rockets and yet more deadly Hellfire missiles. The more powerful the weapon, the fewer can be carried: the player must choose an appropriate weapon for each situation. Enemy weapons range from armoured cars to artillery and tanks.

The player's craft has a limited amount of armour, which is depleted as the helicopter is hit by enemy fire. Should armour reach zero, the craft will be destroyed, costing the player a life. The player must outmanoeuvre enemies to avoid damage, but can replenish armour by means of power-ups or by airlifting rescued friendlies or captives to a landing zone. Vehicles have a finite amount of fuel which is steadily depleted as the level progresses. Should the fuel run out, the vehicle will crash, again costing the player a life. The craft can refuel by collecting fuel barrels. Vehicles also carry limited ammunition, which must be replenished by means of ammo crates.

Development and release
Jungle Strike is the sequel to Desert Strike, a similar game which parodied the Gulf War and which was released in 1992. Desert Strike arose from a failed attempt at a flight simulator and was inspired by Matchbox toys and Choplifter. Central to the game's concept were nonlinear gameplay and the eschewing of power-ups and bosses. With the success of the original title, game director John Manley and associate producer Tony Barnes were tasked with creating the sequel. Together with project manager Susan Manley they crafted an expanded game with an opening movie and were Electronic Arts first ever 16 Megabit cartridge. Producer Scott Berfield joined the group when the project was Alpha. Jungle Strike retained the core mechanics of its predecessor, with the addition of various vehicles and settings. Desert Strike was at the time Electronic Arts' highest selling video game and maintained a high sales chart position as Jungle Strike was released in 1993.

The Amiga conversion of Desert Strike featured upgraded graphics and sound over the Mega Drive original. With regards to the Jungle Strike Amiga conversion, senior programmer Stuart Johnson stated he "tried to keep this conversion a lot more faithful to the Mega Drive version than Desert Strike was". He attempted to make the Amiga conversion run more smoothly than the Mega Drive original. Graphical improvements were attempted: these were less successful on the A500 than the A1200 because of technical restrictions. The developers also struggled with technical challenges because of differences in hardware between the Mega Drive and Amiga. Amendments were also made to the workings of in-mission plot screens. The Amiga conversion was released as sequel Urban Strike was published for the Mega Drive in 1994.

DOS CD-ROM version includes full motion video cut scenes at introduction, between stages, and ending.

Jungle Strike was followed by three further sequels: Urban Strike, Soviet Strike, and Nuclear Strike. As the series moved to more advanced consoles, series creator Mike Posehn became less involved in the programming side of development. Urban Strike, released for the Mega Drive, featured new vehicles and locations, as well as on-foot sections. Soviet Strike, released for Sony's PlayStation and the Sega Saturn in 1996, featured 3D graphics, as did Nuclear Strike, released on PC and PlayStation in 1997 and the Nintendo 64 in 1999. Another sequel provisionally titled Future Strike was planned, but the game was eventually released as Future Cop: LAPD, a mech-based shooter game.

Reception
The game was well received by critics upon release. Adrian Pitt and Mat Yeo of Sega Force both reviewed the game. Adrian Pitt called the title a "strategy game" and commented it as the "greatest game in the genre". Pritt said the controls were "without fault" and the graphics "superb". Mat Yeo praised the "amazing playability and 'lastability'" and said the game was "twice as good" as Desert Strike. Yeo called the graphics "brilliant" and said the game was "the best shoot 'em up I've seen in a long time". The Mega Drive version was a best-seller for 3 months. MegaTech magazine said the game has "impressive graphics and tons of missions".

Lim Choon Klet of New Straits Times praised the "simply wonderful" graphics but questioned whether the sound effects were enough to "create the environment of a full-scale war". Choon Klet pointed to a high initial difficulty but said: "Once the skills are acquired, be ready for many hours of enjoyment and sleepless nights." Chip and Jonathan Carter of St. Petersburg Times deemed the game one of the best of the year and felt the SNES version "loses nothing in the translation". The duo said the Game Boy and Game Gear versions were "less impressive" due to their technical restrictions but "about as good as you can get on the small screen". "Sir Garnabus" of GamePro was impressed with the Game Boy version's clear and detailed graphics, lack of slowdown, good controls, and faithfulness to the original version, but judged the Game Gear version to be "merely average", saying issues such as poor collision detection hamper the game despite its outstanding graphics. The four reviewers of Electronic Gaming Monthly commented that the Game Boy version has good control, but the small graphics make it a struggle to play. They said the playability is dramatically better with the Super Game Boy, but that it would make no sense to buy the Game Boy version intending to play it that way, since Jungle Strike had already been released for the SNES. Amiga CD32 Gamer called Jungle Strike "a 500lb gorilla among games" and praised its ease of control and "masses of gameplay and realistic detail".

Amiga Computing said: "With its impressive graphics and superbly designed game system, it could well be the best chopper title yet" although the reviewer felt the difficulty curve was too steep. Amiga Format said of the game: "with a little more foresight and planning, it could have been a lot more fun", as the reviewer was irritated by the fact that fuel, armour and ammunition levels were displayed on map screen. However the magazine also wrote: "The bottom line though, is that Jungle Strike is an incredibly good game". Amiga Power called the game "an appreciable shoot 'em up" but said it was "clearly tailored for the shorter attention span" of a console gamer. CU Amiga Magazine wrote: "This blend of shooting and thinking action blends together seamlessly and in the process creates a classic blaster well worth a ride". The One Amiga magazine wrote: "Jungle Strike's a fine game, which will prove both a challenge for Desert Strike-ophiles, and a good solid blast for first bloods". ACAR observed the game's "Good graphics, okay sound, smooth animation and tough game play." Amiga Power complained that "Throughout the game you're battered with uneasily right-wing US politics", while Amiga Format said "jingoism" was "rife" throughout the game. Amiga CD32 Gamer called the plot "typically 'ugly American' idiocy".

GamePro commented on the game's skillful challenge and variety of locales, and particularly praised the Super NES version for retaining the same gameplay of the Genesis version while improving on the graphics and sound.

Next Generation reviewed the PC version of the game, rating it three stars out of five, and stated that "it's just what the doctor ordered for PC owners who feel nostalgic for their old Segas and Super Nintendos."

Accolades
Mega placed the game at No. 13 in their Top Mega Drive Games of All Time. In 1995, Total! ranked Jungle Strike 29th on their Top 100 SNES Games. In the same year, Flux magazine listed the Sega Genesis version 38th on their "Top 100 Video Games." In 2017, Gamesradar rated the game 16th in their "Best Sega Genesis/Mega Drive games of all time." IGN ranked the game #71 on their "Top 100 SNES Games of All Time."

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William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven

William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven (died December 1552) was a Scottish nobleman. He served as an Extraordinary Lord of Session and Keeper of the Privy Seal.

Life
The 2nd Lord Ruthven was the son of William, Master of Ruthven (who was known as Lindsay for his mother, Isabel Livingstone Lindsay, until his legitimation on 2 July 1480), and Jean Hepburne. He succeeded his paternal grandfather, William Ruthven, 1st Lord Ruthven, sometime before 10 September 1528, when the king bestowed on him the office of custodian and constable of the king's hospital, near the Speygate, Perth.

In February 1532 Ruthven, Lord Oliphant, and other barons in that district of Scotland were fined for not appearing to sit as jurymen at the trial of Lady Glamis at Forfar for poisoning her husband. He was admitted an extraordinary lord of session on 27 November 1533; and on 8 August 1542 he was named a member of the privy council. On 28 August 1536 the king confirmed to him and his heirs the lands of Glenshie in Strathearn, erected into a free forest.

At the parliament held at Edinburgh in March 1543, after the death of King James V, Ruthven spoke on behalf of the laity being granted liberty to read the Scriptures in the English tongue; and at the same parliament he was chosen one of the eight noblemen, two of whom were to have the charge of the young queen every three months. On 24 July 1543 he signed a band to support Cardinal Beaton, but his adherence to the cardinal was only temporary, for in 1544 he resisted by force of arms the cardinal's candidate for the provostship of Perth.

Ruthven was appointed keeper of the privy seal in July 1546. On 24 August of the same year he appeared before the privy council with Patrick Hepburn, 3rd Earl of Bothwell, as caution that Bothwell's ship, the Mary, and other four barks should not take any ships belonging to the Dutch, Flemings, or Hungarians. On 13 September he obtained an heritable grant of the king's house of Perth, of which he was keeper. He died early in December 1552.

Family
In 1515 he married Janet Haliburton, heiress of the Haliburtons of Dirleton Castle, and sister of Mariotta Haliburton, Countess of Home.

Their eldest son, Patrick, inherited the Lordship on his father's death. They had three sons and seven daughters;
 * Patrick Ruthven, 3rd Lord Ruthven
 * James Ruthven of Forteviot
 * Alexander Ruthven of Freeland
 * Lilias Ruthven, married to David Drummond, 2nd Lord Drummond (she was reputed for her piety, and to her Robert Alexander in 1539 dedicated the Testament of William Hay, 6th Earl of Erroll, which he set forth in Scottish metre, printed Edinburgh 1571). Their daughter, Anne Drummond, was the first wife of John Erskine, Earl of Mar;
 * Catherine Ruthven, who married Sir Colin Campbell of Glenorchy in 1551
 * Cecilia Ruthven, who married Sir David Wemyss of that ilk, and was the mother of Sir John Wemyss
 * Barbara Ruthven, to Patrick Gray, 5th Lord Gray
 * Janet Ruthven, married John Crichton of Strathaird
 * Margaret Ruthven, to John Johnstone of Elphinstone
 * Christina Ruthven, to William Lundin of that ilk

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Talk:CAOS Linux

Homepage down
caoslinux.org points to a casino page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.170.254.70 (talk) 22:06, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Article Contents?
I think that this is clearly a direct copy from the about page of cAos Linux at cAos Linux About. I don't think that this qualifies as free content under the GPL, as it's copyright. I think we might want to delete this. Phsource

Documentation License...
Sorry, I copy and pasted the contents from cAos/about. I didn't think it would be a problem considering I wrote the original copy as well. I will clean up the code so it looks a bit nicer and update it a bit. Other then that is there anything that I need to add to it leagalease-wise?

Advertisement?
This looks very much like and Advertisement. Could someone fix this. Here is a bit from the article:

"It combines aspects of Debian, Red Hat/Fedora, and FreeBSD in a manner that ends up with a solution that is stable enough for servers and clusters, utilizes a long term life cycle (3-5 years), and built from current cutting edge packages (as of August 2005). It also includes many of the features that are considered standard for desktops and laptops, which makes it a very good general purpose Linux distribution." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.45.102.90 (talk) 16:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC).

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Emanuel Pupulidy

Emanuel M. Pupulidy (October 10, 1918 – August 20, 1996) was an American race car driver of the 1950s and 1960s. He was also referred to as Emil Pupulidy, Emil Pupilidy, Emanuel Pupilidy, Pup Pupulidy or Pup Pupilidy.

Life
He was born on October 10, 1918. He lived in Freeport, New York.

Pupulidy became interested in building and racing cars. Notably he tuned Porsche cars for racing. In 1958, he won the SCCA F Production Class championship.

He married Doris, and they had a daughter named Susan.

He died on August 20, 1996.

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Hate (video games)

Hate (also threat, aggro, or enmity) is a mechanism used in many MMORPGs, as well as in some RPGs, by which mobs (enemies controlled by the system) prioritize which characters to attack. The player who generates the most hate on a mob will be preferentially attacked by that mob. The act of initiating such situation is called "getting aggro" or "pulling aggro."

The character with the highest amount of hate relative to his allies has aggro. The threat list or threat table is the ordering of players by the amount of hate they have generated. Some mobs have fight mechanics that will ignore hate completely, change which player has aggro despite hate, or periodically reset the threat list, resetting all hate to 0.

Tanks
For most characters, hate is an undesirable side effect of their attack on an enemy. However, a type of character called a tank deliberately pulls aggro towards themself, and away from other player characters.

To do this, the tank is typically the first to attack an enemy, and may have powers or skills designed to draw the enemy's attention. The tank has a high amount of defense and health to survive constant attacks of mobs.

Hate calculation
A game may calculate hate generated by a player on a mob based using factors such as:
 * Whether the mob is set to attack players on sight (aggressive).
 * The distance between the mob and the player. The area in which a player automatically gets hate or aggro is called the Aggro Radius.
 * The relative strength of the player compared to the mob.
 * How much damage has been dealt to the mob by the player.
 * Debuffs and status effects inflicted on the mob by the player.
 * Heals and buffs given by the player to other players or NPCs (such as pets) who are attacking the mob.
 * Status effects on the player, such as invincibility, sleep, and death, which make them more or less favorable to attack.
 * Hate generating or reducing abilities (such as taunts or invisibility) used by the player.
 * Time elapsed since the player last generated hate on the NPC.

Hate can also be manipulated to deter a mob from attacking. A player may use a hate-reducing ability, ask another player to generate more hate than themself, run away or move to a distant position, or stop generating hate and wait for the mob to attack someone else. In many games, a player who is defeated or killed has the hate mobs have on them reduced to zero.

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Copt Oak

Copt Oak is a hamlet in Leicestershire, England. It is located in the North West Leicestershire district near the large village of Markfield and the rural hamlets of Abbots Oak, Charley, Ulverscroft, and Nanpantan.

In its name, cop is an old English word for head, i.e. "pollarded oak" (literally "[be]headed oak").

Features
The area is centred on a section of the B591 and Whitwick Road, consisting of the large Copt Oak pub-restaurant, a church, and a cluster of residential dwellings and farms.

The Anglican Church of Saint Peter was consecrated in 1837 and was designed by William Railton, who later designed Nelson's Column in London.

For many years the hostel, north of the junction of the A50 and the M1, was known for its small youth hostel in the old schoolhouse, which was closed and converted into a residential home.

Copt Oak is the highest point of the M1, and the site of BBC Radio Leicester's only transmitter on 104.9 MHz FM (V.H.F.), and also the main transmitter of Greatest Hits Radio East Midlands (formerly Gem before October 2023) on 106.0FM.

COPT OAK was the meeting place in the centre of the forest - Marked by a great tree (The Copest Oak) from the Anglo=Saxon word 'cop' meaning cap or top. This tree was situated at the back of the present churchyard. It was blown down in 1855 when tradition says it was 2000 years old. in 1855 it was 20 feet high and 24 feet in circumference.

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Patrick Ruthven, 3rd Lord Ruthven

Patrick Ruthven, 3rd Lord Ruthven (c. 1520 – 13 June 1566) played an important part in the political intrigues of 16th century Scotland. He succeeded to the lordship in December 1552. The Ruthven lordship encompassed the offices of Provost and Constable of Perth, and Sheriff of Strathearn.

Life
Patrick was the son of William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven and Janet Haliburton, heiress of the Haliburtons of Dirleton Castle.

Quest for wealth and advancement
During the war of the Rough Wooing, Patrick, Master of Ruthven, aided the English cause. In 1548 the English commander Grey of Wilton noted that he had been at the English-held Yester Castle with his servants in their "jacks" wearing red scarves. He wanted to profit by delivering Perth to the English. His father was provost of the town, and Patrick offered it to Sir Andrew Dudley, a brother of the Duke of Northumberland, who occupied Broughty Castle.

After the war with England was concluded, in March 1551 he was in Paris and wrote to Mary of Guise asking for money she had promised him. Her financial officer Bartholomew de Villemore had tried to pay him with deprecated coinage. Patrick also asked for political preferment: "I haif evir bene and salbe at your grace commandment. Fordir, pleis your grace, I think I have bene ane futtman lang aneuch, bot quhene it pless your grace ye will mak me ane hors man amangis utheris, ... I shall jeopard my lyfe in your service farder nor thame that giffis yow fairer wordis and gettis mair of your geir." "I have ever been and shall be at your grace's commandment. Further, please your grace, I think I have been a footman long enough; but when it please you grace, you will make me a horseman, among others,... I shall jeopardize my life in your service farther than any who gives you fairer words and gets more of your gear."

Religious and political stance
However, as a strong Protestant and a supporter of the Lords of the Congregation, Patrick signed the Treaty of Berwick in 1560, and sent his son Archibald as a hostage to England and Westminster School. Ruthven wrote to William Cecil from Huntingtower Castle reminding him of their previous meetings in England during the time of Edward VI, and approving of Cecil's, "forth-setting of the union of these realms in greater amity than in times bypast has been." In conference with Mary of Guise on 12 May 1560, at Edinburgh Castle, Ruthven was more unyielding on all points than any of the other representatives of the Congregation.

Political office and other involvements
Thomas Randolph, was the English ambassador present in Scotland for the short years that Mary, Queen of Scots spent actively ruling there. In June 1563, Randolph reported that Patrick had joined Mary's privy council at the instance of William Maitland of Lethington, in spite of the fact that the queen personally could not abide him. In 1565, he was one of the few nobles who supported Mary's marriage with Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley.

Patrick was the leader of the band (which also included Darnley) that murdered David Rizzio, Mary's personal secretary and favorite. This event was followed by his flight into England.

In Edinburgh Lord Ruthven lived at "Lord Ruthven's Land" at the foot of the West Bow at the east end of the Grassmarket.

On 2 April 1566, Ruthven and Morton sent their testimony on David Rizzio's murder to Queen Elizabeth I of England, declaring they had acted the best for Darnley, Mary, state and religion. Ruthven died in England.

Mary's secretary Claude Nau wrote that he died deceived by evil spirits who made him rave of a false vision of heaven.

Family
Patrick married first Janet Douglas (d. around 1552), illegitimate daughter of Archibald Douglas, 6th Earl of Angus, and had several children. Secondly, he married Janet Stewart, daughter of John Stewart, 2nd Earl of Atholl, and widow of Henry Stewart, 1st Lord Methven. Patrick's two eldest children married their stepmother Janet Stewart's children; daughter Jean Ruthven married Henry Stewart, 2nd Lord Methven, and the heir, William Ruthven, 1st Earl of Gowrie, married Dorothea Stewart.

A younger son Alexander Ruthven was a gentleman of the king's bedchamber in 1580.

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The Education of a Christian Prince

The Education of a Christian Prince (Institutio principis Christiani) is a Renaissance "how-to" book for princes, by Desiderius Erasmus, which advises the reader on how to be a good Christian prince. The book was dedicated to Prince Charles, who later became Habsburg Emperor Charles V.

Erasmus stated that teachers should be of gentle disposition and have unimpeachable morals. A good education included all the liberal arts. Like the Roman educator Quintilian, Erasmus was against corporal punishment for unruly students. He stressed the student must be treated as an individual. Erasmus attempted throughout the work to reconcile the writers of antiquity with the Christian ethics of his time.

The text was written in part to secure Erasmus a position as Prince Charles' tutor. He was appointed a tutor to Charles' brother, Ferdinand (later H.R.E.Ferdinand I), and became an honorary counselor of H.R.E. Charles V.

Other works
Erasmus wrote the book in 1516, the same year that Thomas More finished his Utopia and three years after Machiavelli had written his advice book for rulers Il Principe. The Principe, however, was not published until 1532, 16 years later.

A comparison with The Prince is worth noting. Machiavelli stated that, to maintain control by political force, it is safer for a prince to be feared than loved. Erasmus preferred for the prince to be loved, and strongly suggested a well-rounded education in order to govern justly and benevolently and avoid becoming a source of oppression.

In 1523, Queen Catherine of Aragon commissioned Juan Luis Vives to write and equivalent book for the female side, The Education of a Christian Woman, for her daughter Mary I.

Philosophia Christi
Christian Prince serves as a guide for the teacher and the prince as well as all court personnel who might have any reason to speak to or with him and espouses Erasmus' rhetorical approach to Christocentric political theories and pedagogical praxes which he refers to as the "philosophia Christi."

The concept of "philosophia Christi," Erasmus' primary topoi in Christian Prince, as defined by Erika Rummel as "a life centered on Christ and characterized by inner faith rather than external rites," was introduced more than a decade prior to the Christian Prince in a similar work, the Enchiridion Militis Christiani, (1504), the Handbook (or Dagger) of a Christian Soldier. At the conclusion of the preface, Erasmus, on the basis of this "philosophia Christi," admonishes the prince that "among the countless distinctions which under God your merit will win for you, it will be no small part of your reputation that Charles was a prince to whom a man need hesitate to offer the picture of a true and upright Christian prince without flattery, knowing that he would either gladly accept it as an excellent prince already, or wisely imitate it as a young man always in search of self-improvement."

"'The cardinal principle of a good prince should be not only to preserve the present prosperity of the state but to pass it on more prosperous than when he received it.'"

Rhetoric
Erasmus was a philologist, grammarian, theologian, and rhetorician. He is considered a key contributor to the rhetorical tradition because of his humanist approach to pedagogy, literary criticism, his own works (including letters), and oratory. The Education of a Christian Prince highlights rhetoric designed to furnish the best practices for a young man in a critical religious and political position.

Rhetoric’s foundational structure, at the turn of the sixteenth century, included classical teachings from Isocrates, Aristotle, and Cicero. Some of their respective foci and contributions, of which Erasmus would have been keenly aware, are as follows:
 * Isocrates – In his well-known treatise, Against the Sophists, Isocrates rebukes sophists for charging exorbitant fees for promises they could not keep and "producing" learners who could speak on any subject at length. He, as an upper echelon sophist, consequently, opened a school that would afford him opportunities to teach "proper" rhetoric and yield model Greek citizens and well-trained leaders. For Isocrates, writing was critical to rhetoric.
 * Aristotle – In the Art of Rhetoric, Aristotle defines rhetoric as "the power to observe the persuasiveness of which any particular matter admits." Among Aristotelian methods of persuasion were; the topoi (places), common particular topics from which an argument can be constructed; three offices of rhetoric: invention, arrangement and style; the three proofs of rhetoric: ethos, based on the speaker’s or writer’s character, logos based on inductive or deductive reasoning; and pathos which relies on an audience's sensibility to a particular subject); the three genres of rhetoric: forensic, the judicial, concerned with determining truth or falsity of events that took place in the past; the deliberative, or political, concerned with determining whether or not action should or should not be taken in the future, and epideictic, the ceremonial, and concerned with praise and blame, values/ethics/virtue, and skill in the present). Aristotle founded The Lyceum, a peripatetic school.
 * Cicero – On the Ideal Orator (De Oratore) is a dialogic treatise addressed to Cicero's brother, Quintus, which Cicero refers to as a more mature work than his previously published On Invention (De Inventione). The interlocutors in the dialogue, primarily Crassus and Antonius, posit that the ideal orator has the following qualities: a wealth of knowledge (Crassus); the rhetorical ability to "first win people over, second, to instruct them, and third, to stir their feelings" (Antonius), a point similar to Aristotle's division of ethos, logos, pathos; is a master of invention and style, including correct language, clarity, distinction, and appropriateness, and eloquence; and uses natural ability with willingness to imitate a great teacher for the sake of effectually perfecting the natural ability and not for the cloning of the teacher.

Erasmus uses this knowledge of classical rhetoric in his writing. Erasmus's ethos within The Education of a Christian Prince (Institutio principis christiani), in the Isocratean manner of setting himself apart from potentially incompetent teachers, shows disdain against sophists. In the preface of Christian Prince addressed to Charles the prince, Erasmus states that Isocrates "was a sophist, instructing some petty king or rather tyrant, and both were pagans." Erasmus' use of logos and pathos immediately follow when he completes the eschewing of Isocrates: "I am a theologian addressing a renowned and upright prince, Christians both of us." A recent critic, Peter Gay describes Erasmus as "a true classical spirit in his search for clarity and simplicity, a modern in complexity, an ancestor of the Enlightenment in his critical temper and pacific cosmopolitanism. But, above all, he was a Christian intellectual." And while Cicero was considered the "patron saint of the Renaissance era" – a title that would become fundamentally problematic for a number of Christians because of his pagan beliefs – Erasmus came to be known as the "prince of humanists" esteemed by many of his contemporaries as a "man born to bring back literature."

Erasmus' stylistic form of writing was often compared to the standards set forth by Cicero, particularly influenced by his De Inventione; however, Erasmus' primary goal for Christian Prince and all of his works, as he argued, was to be seen as "a Christian rather than a Ciceronian." The Christian Prince is an example of Erasmus' rhetorically stylistic mastery that serves as a testament to his ability to imbue the teachings of Christ while embodying Cicero's concept of "imitator". For example, Christ told his disciples a parable of wheat and tares growing in the same field and that it was not their responsibility, but His, to separate the two (Matt. 13:24-43). Erasmus, a consummate rhetorician, managed to quell the concerns of many fellow Christians by "Christianizing" pagan ideologies as part of his role in and contribution to the Renaissance humanist tradition. For according to Peter Bietenholz, and in concert with Aristotle’s idea of lexis, the pure knowledge of language, "the humanist, first and last, is a rhetorician, a linguist. His professional devotion as well as skill is aligned to verba (words), not to res (things). His real gesta (deeds) are verba, the words, and not res gestae, the actions of historical significance."

Erasmus indeed employs, primarily, deliberative and epideictic forms of rhetoric within Christian Prince, because it has the purpose of a conduct book, also referred to as a courtesy book or hortative and advisory literature. At the time of its publishing, the conduct book was beginning to witness a change in its popularity as a bourgeoning genre though it can be seen in such classics as Plato's Republic and, in Erasmus's own time, with the likes of Machiavelli’s The Prince and Thomas More’s Utopia.

Integration with classical pagan thought
Throughout the Christian Prince, Erasmus deftly invokes the knowledge, wisdom and ultimately, truth, to be gleaned from other great thinkers of antiquity such as Plato, Seneca, and Plutarch who seems to have influenced Erasmus most, who will point the prince to Truth. Its opening sentence begins with Erasmus positing that "wisdom in itself is a wonderful thing ..., and no kind of wisdom is rated more excellent by Aristotle than that which teaches how to be a beneficent prince; for Xenophon ..., rightly considers that there is something beyond human nature, something wholly divine, in absolute rule over free and willing subjects." However, Erasmus never recommends the pagan authors or their works singularly or in isolation because in the next breath, he makes a seamless rhetorical move to remind the prince that of all the requests King Solomon could have made when God told him he would grant whatever he asked, Solomon's prayer was for wisdom to lead God's people.

A similar rhetorical move in reverse can be found in a most noteworthy chapter of the treatise, "The Prince Must Avoid Flatterers." As Erasmus offers the pedagogue a recommended list of readings for the prince as student, he first lists the proverbs of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus, and the Book of Wisdom then next the Gospels. The total number of biblical references here is seven. He then recommends works from pagan authors: three from Plutarch the Apophthegms, Moralia, and Lives; writings from Seneca (no specific titles provided, but he does pluralize the suggestion); from Aristotle, the Politics; from Cicero the Offices and Laws; and from Plato, the Republic, but because the work was lost at the time, he recommends his Laws. The pagan number of works surpasses the number of biblical works. Erasmus justifies his approach of dissoi logoi, arguing from two contrary accounts, by persuading the prince to always apply the following caveat: "This writer whom you are reading is a pagan and you are a Christian reader; although he has many excellent things to say, he nevertheless does not depict the ideal of a Christian quite accurately, and you must take care not to think that whatever you come across at any point is to be imitated straight away, but instead test everything against the standard of Christ."

Although offering an Augustinian-type approach by emphasizing the Christian prince's ability to interpret pagan texts, Erasmus would continue to have strained relations with some Church Fathers regarding his rhetorical methodologies toward Truth. Despite this, the Christian Prince "saw ten editions during Erasmus' lifetime and was translated into a number of vernacular languages, which testifies to a general interest in the work."

Quotes

 * "Conduct your own rule as if you were striving to ensure that no successor could be your equal, but all the time prepare your children for their future reign as if to ensure that a better man would indeed succeed you."
 * "He acquires most who requires nothing, but commands respect."

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Aqua Life and dead reference
I cleaned up the "Other" section to turn it into an "Aqua Life" section, and for some reason now reference#2 doesn't work. I don't know enough about wikipedia editing to fix this, or even understand why it happened. The only note to this reference is in a paragraph near the top of the page, one which I did NOT edit. Someone help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.48.94.99 (talk) 22:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Why would "Swedish Fish" be considered a kind of "wine gum"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.116.101 (talk) 22:37, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

"Finnish fish"
I'm Finnish and I have never heard these called 'Finnish fish', or by any other special name than basically 'fish shaped fruit candy', or them having been invented here... If they are called that somewhere in Finland, it must be a regional thing. Also, all of them I've ever seen have been manufactured by Malaco, which as mentioned in the article has only recently been acquired by a Finnish company. I doubt they are a Finnish invention, or if they are, at least some evidence should be provided. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.22.79.214 (talk) 14:29, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Swedish fish in Sweden
The following is stated in the section In Sweden:
 * "Pastellfiskar" are also sold at Swedish IKEA stores under the name Swedish Fish (and a slightly different bag), but they are still the same Scandinavian "Pastellfiskar" rather than the North American Swedish Fish.

I did, however, eat a bag of "Swedish fish" bought at a Swedish IKEA a couple of days ago, and it was clearly different from any "pastellfiskar" I have ever eaten in Sweden. In fact, the taste, color and texture was so similar to what is described in the article that I'm sure that it actually is the same "Swedish Fish" that are available in North America. Thus, I have edited the text to reflect this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.243.175.47 (talk) 19:58, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

To anyone who has tasted both
Isn't this the same kind of candy as the ones in Gott & Blandat? It looks the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.112.23.100 (talk) 14:17, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You edit this article if you have any cited sources. WikiRay360 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:14, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Size
How big is the candy? 86.62.123.114 (talk) 09:18, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
 * This is original research. In order to answer this question from 2 1/2 years ago, I went to my local WinCo store and purchased about a half pound (or 225g if you prefer) of the multi colored Swedish Fish candy, as well as a similar amount of the smaller size, in red only.  I have them in front of me now.  OK, I have a message I need to deal with, I'll be back in about ten or fifteen minutes....   Etamni |  ✉  02:29, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

 * OK, I'm back. Somehow, I have only four of these Swedish Fish left; one of each color.  I have the green one now.  (chomp)  Hmmm, it is too short to measure.  Let's try the yellow one.  (chomp)  OK, I can see that there is a problem here.  Perhaps the  Red one will... (chomp).  Last chance for the orange one... (chomp-chomp).  OK, now I know why nobody has answered this question before!  Oh, look...  What's this my cat is playing with?  Looks like one of the Swedish Fish spilled on the floor.  It's icky and sticky (guess the cat licked it) and has shed cat hair stuck to it (yuck).  Appears to be 1 5/8 inch (abt 41mm) long, 3/4 inch (19mm) wide, and 3/8 inch (9.5mm) at the thickest point in the middle.  The small ones are 1 1/8 inch (abt 28.5mm) long, 1/2 inch (13mm) wide, and 5/16 inch (8mm) thick.  Sorry, I don't have a scale or I would report their exact weights as well.   Etamni |  ✉  02:43, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

American Distribution
According to the article, it says Cadbury Adams USA in Parsippany-Troy Hills, New Jersey is the distributor, however the package itself says it's distributed by Mondelez Global LLC in East Hannover, NJ. Someone wanna check it out and see if they indeed did change? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.197.172.193 (talk) 18:46, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for the rewrite of that section, Momus. It's been needing some work since it got put there. Keep up the good work! :) Daniel Davis 02:24, 26 December 2005 (UTC) (Doom127)

Re: the scabies reference on the Lavos page
Frankly, I'm not entirely sure that the scabies is close enough looking to Lavos to warrant a mention. The behavior you describe is similar enough to a lot of parasites in general, and the general parasite reference has already been made.--BigCow 22:23, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Please refrain from insults
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Osgoode Township High School
Please do not add nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. - SimonP 06:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

YOU ARE A FUCKING GOD
um yeah, just want you to know that the osgoode township thing you did was fucking amazing, and i think you deserve a medal or something. the way you summed up the essence of the school with lines like "Osgoode Township High School is a school, apparently, though you wouldn't know just by looking. Attending said school is an experience comparable to drinking a bottle of glass shards." that was perfection. who are you? i know you would never post your identity on wikipedia, and i would never give you an email address, so figure out who i am, cuz i'm too lazy to figure out you, and send me your contact information. and i'll give you a medal or something.

OR IF YOU SEND ME YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER AND ALL YOUR BANK ACCOUNT INFORMATION YOU CAN HELP ME SAVE MY UNCLE. HE IS AN AFRICAN PRINCE, AND IF YOU FORWARD ME $3000.00 IN THE NEXT 48 HOURS HIS FREEDOM WILL BE ASSURED. MY UNCLE IS A GRACIOUS MAN, AND I AM SURE THAT A REWARD WILL BE ENDUED. THIS IS NOT SPAM.

-thanks

Osgoode Township High School
Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be given a $5000 US reward and a scholarship to Princeton University. - SimonP 05:06, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh boy! (Momus 16:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC))

Ottawa Senators
Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Mad they're beating the Sabres? ;) --oac (old american century) | Talk 19:53, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha Sabres lost! Take that vandal! -- Earl Andrew - talk 21:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
Re. your edit to Tracey Emin. Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Tyrenius 17:18, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

March 2009
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing. Basilicofresco (msg) 14:02, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

November 2010
Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to Baklava has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. Logan (talk) 01:25, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

BAKLAVAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.251.214 (talk) 01:26, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism of United States
While it's possible that I am completely sympathetic to the statement you want to make, vandalizing a Wikipedia article is definitely not the way to make it. It's ineffective in immediate terms (though I have to admit, your effort lasted an impressive 9 hours) and any repetition of it will get you blocked, crippling your ability to contribute in any positive and productive way here. Please, turn your energies in more useful directions. Peace. DCGeist (talk) 06:52, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

December 2011
This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Stephen Harper, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. CharlieEchoTango ( contact ) 18:39, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

well
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User talk:Steve cov

Hi, I just noticed you editing User:Stevecov, I assume this is an old or new account? It is not generally recommended to have more than one user account. You may want to request your contributions be transferred to one of them and using that one mainly. Thanks. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 22:21, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Your contributed article, List of current United Kingdom MPs

Hello, I noticed that you recently created a new page, List of current United Kingdom MPs. First, thank you for your contribution; Wikipedia relies solely on the efforts of volunteers such as you. Unfortunately, the page you created covers a topic on which we already have a page – List of MPs for English constituencies 2010–. Because of the duplication, your article has been tagged for speedy deletion. Please note that this is not a comment on you personally and we hope you will continue helping to improve Wikipedia. If the topic of the article you created is one that interests you, then perhaps you would like to help out at List of MPs for English constituencies 2010– – you might like to discuss new information at the article's talk page.

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There is no current list of MPs' length of continuous service, which this new list will cover. Please look at the page before acting hastily. Incidentally, you also seem to fall into the usual trap of thinking a list of English anything is a complete list of UK things. Steve cov (talk) 12:51, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

 * Steve, as the "speedy" deletion proposal was contested, there is now a separate discussion page to decide whether or not the article should be kept. You need to respond at Articles for deletion/List of current United Kingdom MPs to set out your reasons for retaining the new page. — Richardguk (talk) 00:32, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Ted Kennedy/Archive Quickpoll

Quickpoll
See the proposed solution above first

Addenum: Since James brought it up before: do not use this poll as a way to push POV on any side of this issue, I am just trying to see where we are so we can work to find a solution, not to promote more hostility. Thanks everyone, I appreciate all your cooperation and everything. Sasquatch ↔讲↔看 06:13, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

This is no by no means meant to be official but I just want to see where people stand on this issue, I think we all agree the original version was heavily POVed against Ted Kennedy but we can deal with wording etc. later.

Basically, I want to see we who supports the inclusion of the information about The Palm Beach rape trial. Please write comments elsewhere, this is just so I know where we are at right now. Please sign your vote and do not try to alter it by voting more than once, one person, one vote, simple as that. Again, this is not official but I just want to know where this is at right now. Sasquatch ↔讲↔看 02:48, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * This is fun. Now we have editors messaging other editors trying to hustle up votes. Voting is evil. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 04:17, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Eviler than I intended... Do they not understand this is not official and purely for my benefit to see how far we need to go on this thing? Anyways, the good news is now we have a summary of everybody's stance on the issue and can now begin to work on a solution without pointless mudslinging which, I am ashamed to say, I may have participated in, but I guess we're all guilty of something ;-) Sasquatch ↔讲↔看 04:28, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Include

 * 1) Include. Though, the trial should be mentioned in a VERY brief and NPOV manner, probably a sentence or two. Though, the section on the trial seemed to be written by a 2 year old monkey POVer.Voice of All(MTG) 02:51, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Include, perhaps two or three sentences in a longer section that includes in the cocaine and popper use, and other self-defeating character flaws.--Silverback 03:04, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Strong Include. Ted Kennedy's bio should be complete, warts and all. The paragraph in dispute is noteworthy, accurate, and should be included as written. Ted Kennedy was at the center of the most widely publicized rape trial in US history and his role should not be whitewashed.--Agiantman 03:17, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) Include. Redwolf24 03:45, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) Include. Perhaps the left could write 4 lines and the right could right 4, neither could argue the content of the other Thank you  24.147.97.230 03:53, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) Include, but no more than a sentence or two, with a link to the appropriate article where the trial is actually discussed. And, yes, (1) I would certainly think the article on G.W. Bush should discuss his drinking and alleged drug use when young and (2) this article should, similarly, mention both Kennedy's drinking in the past and the fact that he stopped. This article from The Nation, hardly unsympathetic to Kennedy, talks about his heavy drinking in the 1980s and the fact that, of all people, Orrin Hatch was apparently instrumental in him getting sober. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:26, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * 7) Include. Ted Kennedy testified at the trial. Be careful it is not worded to sound anti-Ted Kennedy. though. Banes 13:04, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 8) Include. Kennedy's involvement in that trial had an impact on his effectiveness in the Thomas confirmation (he was quite quiet) and on his reelection in 1994. This was well noted in the media at the time. That is why it is relevant.  NoSeptember  15:25, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Include. Kennedy's involvement in that trial had an impact on his effectiveness in the Thomas confirmation (he was quite quiet) and on his reelection in 1994. This was well noted in the media at the time. That is why it is relevant.  NoSeptember  15:25, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Exclude

 * 1) Unless someone provides a persuasive & NPOV way to mention this, perhaps as part of a larger para. on his family or whatever, I'm inclined to say exclude.  At best this deserves a sentence. Gamaliel 02:52, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Strong Exclude in absence of answer to my questions above.   Robert McClenon 03:03, 8 August 2005 (UTC) Exclude in this article; include in article about people actually involved. --BaronLarf 03:12, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Exclude, other than a sentence. It's just not that important, when stripped of POV. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 03:26, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) Exclude -- not a paragraph, not a sentence, not a wikilink. Also, while I understand Sasquatch's wanting to get an idea of the overall lay of the land, I would protest the use of this poll for any other purpose, for multiple reasons. JamesMLane 05:56, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) Exclude -- also exclude from this article any references to sexual molestation by Kennedy's cousin Arnold Schwarzeneggar. Gzuckier 14:01, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Comments
Every time I think this discussion has hit bottom, we manage to plumb a new low. Apparently Silverback is now suggesting that an encyclopedia article can characterize Kennedy's private life as "scandalous" and yet be perfectly consistent with NPOV. JamesMLane 06:14, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Could you can the ad hominem stuff. And stating your argument with hyperbole and sarcasm doesn't make it any stronger.--Silverback 06:16, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

 * It's ad hominem if it's about you personally. It's not ad hominem if it's about the merits of a passage you suggest or an argument you make, as the preceding comment of mine is.  While I sometimes use sarcasm or hyperbole, the particular comment above contains neither.  I made those statements as stark literal truth. JamesMLane 06:36, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Earlier you accused me of hating Ted Kennedy, and here you state I took the argument to a new low. How do those advance your arguments? They do seem to be an ad hominen attempt to dismiss the arguments. While I think Ted Kennedy is a mass murderer like most politicians and most voters who have voted for them (my past self included), I don't hate him. I find him a sympathetic and tragic figure, who probably has had a lot of fun that I would like to have had (wow man!), and a lot of tragedy I wouldn't wish on anybody.  I am glad he seems to be turning his life around. --Silverback 08:27, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm not voting on this....what are we going to say about it? Until someone comes up with how the wording is to be, with options of how the wording best fits NPOV, then I abstain. Furthermore, this is a discussion page...start discussing what the wording will be, and....someone needs to address the complete lack of information that this article needs to really become encyclopedic...right now it looks more like the only thing the guy has done is be involved in manslaughter, rape and drinking....has he done anything as a Senator...of course he has. However, I do agree that some mention of the rape trial needs to be in here...albeit brief for sure. But then get going on the rest of the story.--MONGO 07:17, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * See the Proposed Solution and Finalized Proposal above. That's what we're trying to get passed. Sasquatch ↔讲↔看 18:27, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Kennedy testified at the trial: So what?
Yes, he testified, but the reiteration of this fact as a mantra is no substitute for thought.

In a civil case, it's common for many points to be agreed on before the trial. There's a detailed complaint and answer, the major witnesses are deposed in advance, and the parties can exchange "Requests for Admission" so that they don't have to waste time proving points that aren't in dispute.

In a criminal case, however, those mechanisms aren't available. The prosecution, which must establish the defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, needs to win a jury verdict and see the verdict survive any appeal. To those ends, the prosecution will take care to introduce sufficient evidence to support a finding against the defendant on each point. If the prosecution gets careless and doesn't prove something that's necessary, then there's a possibility that the case will be dismissed after the prosecution rests, without the defense having to present any testimony or other evidence at all. The key is that the prosecution can't rely on an expectation that the defendant will admit (or not deny) certain points. The case against the defendant must be made from the ground up; the record, as of the time the prosecution rests, must be sufficient to support a conviction.

From what I've read about this case, I get the impression that these facts were undisputed: Smith was at the bar or nightclub with his uncle and his cousin. There, he met Bowman. He and Bowman went back to the Kennedy estate. Later, when they were out on the beach some distance from the house, they had sex. Smith said it was consensual, Bowman said it wasn't. Kennedy was in the house and nowhere near the couple when the act occurred.

Now, if I were the prosecutor handling that case, I'd call Ted Kennedy and Patrick Kennedy as witnesses to establish that Smith and Bowman left the nightclub together. It's just a routine aspect of making the necessary record.

If, as I'm guessing, Kennedy was testifying to undisputed facts, then on what basis can his participation in the trial be said to be a notable event in his life? Instead of endlessly repeating that he testified, does anyone care to provide any information about the substance of his testimony, to show that it was at all important? The mere fact that he happened to be sitting in the bar when Smith and Bowman first met doesn't seem like a big deal to me. JamesMLane 14:24, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * My last comment on the issue. I don't like seeing Wikipedia being used as a political blog by the left or the right to protect or attack articles on those biographed they either support are in opposition to...I know I have been guilty of this myself, so I state that as a reminder to me as well. Anyway, the only argument I have as to why a short statement in regards to the WKSmith trail is relevent is for the vary reasons you stated above...Teddy DID in fact testify in the trial...the alledged events happened right there on the Kennedy property, Kennedy was a prime witness for the defense...in comparison to the three events mentioned in contrast to the GWB article, Bush apparently had no involvement with his brother's banking situation...zero involvement that has been proven, Laura Bush was never charged with a violent crime...GWBush apparently never testified on her behalf and that was apparently just a terrible accident. The twins underage drinking may show poor parenting by GWBush but again, no violent crime was commited and they harmed no one. Besides, they are just doing the teenage thing.--MONGO 20:30, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Kennedy's involvement in that trial had an impact on his effectiveness in the Thomas confirmation (he was quite quiet) and on his reelection in 1994. This was well noted in the media at the time. That is why it is relevant.  NoSeptember  15:23, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * OK....  "Kennedy was widely attacked as a hypocrite - his own personal life less than sterling - for taking a leading role as a defender of Anita Thomas against accused sexual harasser Clarence Thomas." "During the day, Sen. Kennedy was ranting against Thomas's confirmation."  Gzuckier 20:24, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree with JamesMclane, he testified at the trial, "so what"? If that was all there was too it, it wouldn't be notable. The notability, comes from the fact that once again his private escapades, and personal morality (or lack there of) made a big and negative splash on the public scene, and sworn testimony, seemed to confirm the swarmy rumors and innuendo that always had followed him. Frankly this was a mere scandal, but he is as famous for the scandals as his is for his work as a politician, in fact, the scandals may dominate his legacy. The mere mention of testifying at the trial, does not capture the notability, in fact, it is probably not his testimony, but the testimony of others at the trial, and evidence that became public but was not even admitted at the trial that make it notable for our encyclopedic purposes.--Silverback 23:55, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think that there is any way to get in the morality questioning of Edward Kennedy during the trial. I don't know if HE was the target of it, maybe just his brother was. I can find VERY few sources that even mention the trial, and NONE that I can use to cite criticism of Edward Kennedy.Voice of All(MTG) 00:08, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * You can't expect to find news stories about that to still be on the web, this is what encyclopedias and biographies are about, preserving this stuff after it is no longer news, but merely part of a person's development and legacy.--Silverback 03:45, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

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