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Beaubien House

The Charles Trombly House is located at 553 East Jefferson Avenue in Detroit, Michigan. It is more commonly known as the Beaubien House, and is currently the headquarters of the Michigan Architectural Foundation and the American Institute of Architects of Michigan. The building is one of the oldest remaining houses in Detroit, and was designated a Michigan State Historic Site in 1975 and listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1979.

History
The Beaubien House is built on the site of one of Detroit's original ribbon farms, owned by Antoine Beaubien. The farm had a quarter of a mile frontage on the river, but which ran nearly three miles inland. Beaubien was a Colonel in the Detroit Militia and received the patent certificate for his land in 1810.

In June 1850, just before his death, Antoine Beaubien sold lot 8 on Jefferson to Charles J. Trombly for the sum of $2,000. Trombly was Beaubien's cousin and a recent graduate of Georgetown College. The consensus among historians is that the house was built by Trombly sometime during 1851 for use by Trombly and his new wife.

Over the next two decades, the house was owned or rented by multiple families. These include some of the city's oldest and most familiar names, such as McClelland, Cicotte, Whipple, Chapoton, Campau, and Beecher, among others. In 1872, the house was sold to John F. Antisdel, whose family owned or rented the home until 1943 (save a five-year period when William H. Machen lived in the home).

After World War II, ownership records are spotty. In 1956, photographer Fred A. Plofchan rented the house; he bought it in 1965. During this time, plumbing lines were extended to the upper levels, which were rented as studio apartments, and the house was used as a combination of office and residential space. The Michigan Architectural Foundation later rented the building, completely renovating it in 1987.

Architecture
The house is constructed of brick and sits on a fieldstone foundation. Walls are constructed of plaster over 2" X 6" studs. The house has a full basement and three floors above. The first floor consists of a front parlor with a marble manteled fireplace, and two smaller rooms, one of which was likely a dining room. Both the second and third floors had two rooms.

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Wild Rice River (North Dakota)

The Wild Rice River is a tributary of the Red River of the North, approximately 251 mi long, in southeastern North Dakota in the United States. Via the Red River, Lake Winnipeg, and the Nelson River, it is part of the watershed of Hudson Bay. The Wild Rice River drains an area of 2233 sqmi in the Red River Valley region. Its tributaries also drain a small part of northeastern South Dakota. Despite its length, it is a fairly small stream, flowing at an average rate of approximately 100 cubic feet per second (3 m³/s).

The river was so named for the former abundance of wild rice along its course.

Course
The Wild Rice River rises as an intermittent stream in Brampton Township in southeastern Sargent County, approximately 6 mi south of Cogswell. It initially flows generally eastwardly in a winding course through Sargent and Richland counties, through the Tewaukon National Wildlife Refuge and past the towns of Cayuga, Mantador and Great Bend. Past Great Bend, the river turns northward; from west of the city of Wahpeton it generally parallels the Red River in a winding channel at a distance of approximately 3 to 7 mi. It flows into the Red River in southeastern Cass County, approximately 3 mi southeast of Frontier and 7 mi south of Fargo.

Flow rate
The United States Geological Survey operates a stream gauge on the river 3.2 mi northwest of Abercrombie. Between 1932 and 2005, the annual mean flow of the river at the gauge was 104 cuft/s. The river's highest flow during the period was 9540 cuft/s on April 11, 1969. Readings of zero have also been recorded.

At an upstream gauge near Rutland in Sargent County, the annual mean flow between 1960 and 1982 was 8.36 cuft/s. A reading of 2700 cuft/s was recorded on April 3, 1997.

Software

 * Google Earth elevations for Geographic Names Information System coordinates. Retrieved on 2007-06-15.

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Talk:Mark Trombino

Comment
changed the stub, although he is a drummer he is much more notable as a producer. -- Mr . Dude †@£К ║  Çøת†яĭβü†ĬŎИ 06:24, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

You may add the band "Silverstein" to the list of artists Mark Trombino has worked with as their new album "Arrivals&Departures" is a production of him.

Testimonial
The testimonial from the Living End keeps getting removed, usually by unregistered users, and always without discussion. It's a perfectly reasonable piece of information, which is referenced, and comes from someone who has worked with Mark. I will keep restoring it until someone actually gives a decent reason for why it should be removed.

If the person is so keen to protect Mark's reputation, it would be far more balanced to add a testimonal from someone who has a higher opinion of Mark. But please stop removing it, I'm only going to revert to the previous version. --Mikenosilly 13:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

 * I've removed the testimonial section a few times and here's why: This is Wikipedia, not Epinions, and as such is the wrong place for opinions of any kind.  The testimonial in question is not the "reasonable piece of information" you claim it is, because it is impossible to either prove or disprove.  It is simply one person's unsubstantiated account of what it was like working with Mark.  The fact that it is "referenced" in an online source does not make it true.  That fact that it is hearsay does make it unsuited for publication here, however.

 * For what its worth, I also believe adding positive testimonials to be equally inappropriate. Pvoc3000 (talk) 17:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia's policy on neutrality clearly allows for opinions if they are sourced and attributed (see specifically: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Attributing_and_substantiating_biased_statements)

The source is also verifiable, and should be classed as a "reliable source" under the Wikipedia policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability).

I will revert to include the testimonial as its inclusion does not go against any Wikipedia policy.Mikenosilly (talk) 08:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Does Wikipedia policy also allow for inclusion of statements that can not be substantiated or verified?  Strachan's comment that Mark only works in the "easiest and quickest way possible" and that he refuses to allow a band to record together goes beyond the realm of opinion and is stated as fact.  Unless there is another source that can corroborate his claim, I see its inclusion here as unwarranted and really nothing more than an attempt, by you, to damage the reputation and credibility of the subject.

 * Reliable sources, according to the Wikipedia page you sited, are "peer-reviewed journals and books published in university presses; university-level textbooks; magazines, journals, and books published by respected publishing houses; and mainstream newspapers." Furthermore,  reliable sources must have "a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy."   Triple J, the source of the testimonial, is none of these thing and must therefore be considered questionable.   With such a contentious statement, it is imperative that you site something more credible than Triple J for inclusion here.  I will continue to remove your testimonial unless you can either prove its validity, corroborate the statement by someone else, or provide a more reliable source than Triple J.  Pvoc3000 (talk) 23:00, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

The Wikipedia policy on verification is concerned with providing accurate information. There can be no doubt that this is indeed the opinion of Strachan's, as there is also audio proof on the link. For this reason it is verifiable and accurate.

The Wikipedia policy specifically allows for biased opinions were they are accurately attributed and sourced. Including this quotation does not violate any Wikipedia policy, and should not be removed merely because one person disagrees with the opinion

I will continue to repost it until it can be shown that it violates a Wikipedia policy. In its present state, it clearly does not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikenosilly (talk • contribs) 12:14, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Opinion of a member of a band that worked with Trombino
From Verifiability: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth.

The quotation is verifiable and relevant. It is important that we keep our own opinions out of an article; not the opinions of relevant other persons. It is also important that opinions be attributed and this one is. I would leave it in and I would add other commentary if found.

To change the subject: I noted that the reference for this quote is the only reference or external link in the entire article. Are there no sources for all of the rest of the article? Is there no centralized database of info in the music industry? Sbowers3 (talk) 13:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I appreciate you weighing on on this matter, Sbowers3. However, and with all due respect, I think that both you and Mikenosilly are missing the point.  I am not disputing that the source exists.  I am saying that the source is not reliable, that the quote contains hearsay and/or is opinion stated as fact, and to a lesser extent that the subject is outside the scope of this article.

 * True: The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is "verifiability, not truth".   But unfortunately, the two of you are incorrectly interpreting what "verifiable" means.   According to Wikipedia, information is verifiable if it comes from a reliable source.  A reliable source is one with a reputation for fact checking and accuracy.  It follows then that information is considered verifiable if it comes from a source with a reputation for fact checking and accuracy.

 * '''Information is not verifiable simply because it exists and can be cited. This is a gross oversimplification of Wikipedia guidelines and the source of our dispute.

'''
 * As editors, we are not free to include any information we want just because it is published somewhere. Like it or not, the burden of proof is ultimately on the editor or anyone who submits material for inclusion in an article - especially when that article is about a living person:

 * The burden of evidence for any edit on Wikipedia, but especially for edits about living persons, rests firmly on the shoulders of the person who adds or restores the material.

 * We are allowed, however, to shift that burden elsewhere if, and only if, we use what the Wikipedia guidelines refer to as "reputable sources" - sources that themselves are peer reviewed, or at least have a reputation for fact checking or accuracy. By citing reliable sources, ultimately we are verifying that someone, somewhere, has bothered to check if what we are quoting has any semblance of truthfulness to it or that it has at the very least passed some sort of peer review.  It does NOT mean that we are verifying that the source simply exists.  Because we are talking about the methods the subject uses while recording, how he chooses to work, a reputable source might be Mix Magazine, or EQ Magazine, or something of that nature - not an interview in a obscure webzine.  Reputable sources are also places where, if in the event something published is later proven false, there are mechanisms for correction, for retractions, for remedies so that in the end the truth prevails.

 * The issue of verifiability in this context is particularly cloudy because we are talking about an interview and not an article in an established trade magazine. Unless the person being interviewed is an expert on the subject being discussed, then whatever they have to say about it is irrelevant because, again, it is unverifiable - that is, we can not verify that what they are saying is in fact true, and that because they are not an expert, we can not just assume it is true.  Having worked with Mark on one occasion does not qualify Strachan as an expert on the methods Mark uses to make records and as such renders his comments irrelevant.

 * In conclusion, the reasons the testimonial is inappropriate for inclusion in this article are:

 * • The source used for this quote is unreliable because it not an established trade magazine, peer-reviewed publication, and does not have a reputation for accuracy or provide any type of fact checking.

 * • The quote itself is unverifiable because its is an interview by a person who is not an expert on the subject in which they are speaking.

 * • The statement by Strachen is irrelevant because having worked with Mark on one specific occasion does not allow him to speak in generalizations about how Mark makes records.

 * • The quote offers very little in the way of actual opinion - "It was a pain, it was difficult" is about all you could call opinion. Everything else is hearsay.

 * • No where in the quote does Strachan use the word "inflexible." To use it as a summary for his statement is editorializing and not permitted.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pvoc3000 (talk • contribs) 08:38, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

 * • The only argument presented in favor of including the testimonial is that the quote exists, and that the person attributed to the quote has worked with Mark. This is not enough.

 * • This article is about a living person, and as such you need to take special precautions:

 * Wikipedia articles that present material about living people can affect their subjects' lives. Wikipedia editors who deal with these articles have a responsibility to consider the legal and ethical implications of their actions when doing so. An important rule of thumb when writing biographical material about living persons is "do no harm". Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid.

 * • Including unsubstantiated, slanderous and potentially damaging statements without doing due diligence to make sure the statements have some sort of basis in fact is libelous and puts Wikipedia and the editor involved at undue risk of potential lawsuits:

 * Material that may adversely affect a person's reputation should be treated with special care. In the laws of many countries, simply repeating the defamatory claims of another is illegal, and there are special protections for people who are not public figures.

 * I will therefore once again remove the testimonial in question and ask you to please, please stop and think about what I've written before doing anything further. I feel I have made my point many times over, and that my arguments for deletion are sound and grounded firmly in Wikipedia guidelines.  If, after all of this, you still feel that the testimonial has a place in the article, then the only conclusion that one can make is that you have some sort of personal vendetta against the subject, and I would beg you please, for the good of Wikipedia, just drop it. Pvoc3000 (talk) 07:45, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Interestingly, I found quotes by the band the seem to contradict Strachan's statement. On the the Living End's blog Tabloid Magazine, at the time that they were recording, Chris Cheney thought that the record they were making was ''"the best thing we've done thus far." Likewise, Scott Owen described a very positive experience working with Mark:

 * ''"We relate to him well and visa-versa and see it as a real plus that he has played in bands most of his life and see's the music biz in a similar way to us - music first, no bullshit. He wants the band to happy, so it should be too."

 * This sort of makes Strachan's comments, which occur several years after the fact, seem rather dubious. At the time of recording the band seemed happy with working with Mark.  Perhaps because the record didn't do well in the States their views soured, or perhaps it was an attempt to hype the new record by putting the old one down.  Whatever the reason, the fact that there are contradictory statements from the band calls into question the validity of Strachan's statement and makes one wonder his motives.  The statement could be interpreted as slander, and reprinting them here could be grounds for libel. Pvoc3000 (talk) 08:19, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

 * You're missing the point about verifiability. It is verifiable that Andy Strachan made those comments. That does not mean that Mark Trombino is in fact a pain to work with. Andy Strachan is not a reliable source as to the facts of Mark Trombino but Triple K Unearthed is (apparently) a reliable source as to what Strachan said - and what Strachan said is relevant to the article. It likely won't carry much weight with readers because it is just one man's opinion. The article is not saying that Trombino is difficult to work with, etc.; the article is simply quoting what Strachan said that about him. You should add those other quotations to balance out what Strachan said. Sbowers3 (talk) 13:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Seriously... think about what you are saying: Anybody can say anything about another person, and as long as the quote is printed somewhere, and as long as the editor cites that quote here, then its perfectly fine to reprint on Wikipedia.   If true, that is ridiculous and absurd and opens up Wikipedia to all kinds of abuse and misinformation.  No, there has to be higher standards than this.

 * I'm sure that in 99 out of 100 disputes here on Wikipedia you would be correct - but this is a special case about a living person and about someone who only worked with that person one time making sweeping generalizations about him.  He says "Mark always does X" not "Mark did Y" which are entirely different.   The latter is the persons single experience and would be fine to print here, but the former is hearsay, over generalized and damaging to someone's career.  Newspapers and magazines would not be free to reprint that quote without being sued for libel - Wikipedia should be held to the same standards.  Pvoc3000 (talk) 18:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Newspaper and magazines certainly would be free to - and usually do - reprint quotes like that. It is not libel because it is clearly an opinion, not a statement of fact, and because they would print it as a quote, not as the paper's own opinion. On the particular point of libel, you could ask at Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. Sbowers3 (talk) 18:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

 * But saying someone always does something is a statement of fact, not opinion. For example, if on one occasion I witnessed you park your car into a handicapped parking space, even though you are not yourself handicapped, would I be free to say in an interview, and would it be okay to reprint on your wiki page: "Sbowers3 is a jerk.  He always parks in handicapped spaces even though he is not handicapped"?  Saying that you are a jerk would clearly be my opinion and would be fine to reprint here based on my limited experience.  However, saying that you always park in handicapped spaces is a statement of fact that generalizes your behavior way beyond my limited experience of watching you park your car that one time, and would be, at the very least, ethically wrong to reprint here.  This is exactly what I find so contentious about the Strachan testimonial.  Very little of it is opinion - most of it is statement of fact he has no right to talk about, and should therefore not be reprinted here.  Had he said "Mark did X" rather than "Mark always does Y" I would not have a problem - but this is clearly not the case.  Pvoc3000 (talk) 18:53, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

(outdenting) You don't have to take my recommendation but you - the two of you - do have to stop fighting about it. There is a multi-step process for resolving disputes. Among other things you could request an RFC on the question, or you could officially request a third-party opinion (I just unofficially stepped in), or you could ask at an appropriate WikiProject. Sbowers3 (talk) 13:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I do appreciate you stepping in and trying to help. I've tried to resolve this dispute amicably here without involving anyone else, but you're right - if this continues it will be time to look elsewhere for help. Pvoc3000 (talk) 18:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Let's look elsewhere. I can't believe this quote continues to be removed. Pvoc, please add in that other quote you found, it looks perfect for this testimonials section. I think the article would be far more interesting, and more informative, if it contained a range of views. And I think views from the actual artists he worked with are the most important.

I will remove the word "inflexible" that was my paraphrasing, not Strachan's words.Mikenosilly (talk) 00:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Just an update, I put this issue on the "Editor Assistance" page a few days ago, but no one has responded on there. But Sbowers3 has basically given us the assistance I was looking for, and confirmed that having that quote there did not go against any Wiki policy.

 * I have also added this to the page Sbowers recommended that is specifically related to biographies of living persons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard Let's see if we can get any more guidance on this one.  Though I still haven't seen Pvoc point out anything about this page that goes against a Wiki policy, and seems to be basing his constant vandalism of this page on his or her gut feeling.Mikenosilly (talk) 01:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I've done nothing but point out how the quote goes against several Wiki policies, or at least how I understand them, and all you've done is point me to the same Wiki pages I've read over and over again. If my understanding is flawed, it should be trivial for someone as knowledgeable as yourself to point out where and how I'm wrong, perhaps by providing examples or analogies or something other than to keep repeating, basically, "Strachan said it, so it can be reprinted here".

While it is true that initially my reason for deleting the quote was based on gut feeling, the more I've learned about Wiki guidelines, the more convinced I have become that the quote is bogus. Yes, my argument has evolved over time as I have learned Wiki policy on these matters, and no doubt it will continue to evolve. But I am more convinced today than I was when I started that the quote has no place in an encyclopedia, and I will continue to argue against its inclusion for as long as I possibly can.

All the while I've maintained my cool and avoided any personal attacks. I would appreciate it if you would do the same, Mike. Calling me a vandal when all I'm trying to do is protect the integrity of an innocent person as well as that of Wikipedia is definitely out of line. Pvoc3000 (talk) 04:40, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Since I can't get you to stop reverting my changes, I thought I'd try a compromise and remove only the hearsay, leaving strictly Strachan's opinion. Lets hope that sticks. Pvoc3000 (talk) 04:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

 * applies. Though this is a content dispute, the quote is negative and poorly sourced.  Unless and until it is picked up by independent reliable secondary sources, such as the music press, please leave it out. Guy (Help!) 13:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Pvoc, "Strachan said it, so it can be reprinted here" is the perfect explanation for why this quote should be included: read this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Attributing_and_substantiating_biased_statements

 * I'm guessing OTRS means that more important people than us are looking at this issue which is good. I can't believe such an interesting fact relating to Trombino can't be added, it's truly beyond me.  It doesn't go against a Wiki Policy, in fact, Wiki CLEARLY allows for this kind of opinion information, and above all, it's quite newsworthy! Mikenosilly (talk) 03:47, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

 * We should not be using primary sources for controversial material, and we don't include stuff just because it's "interesting" if it is controversial and we don't have reliable independent secondary sources to establish context. Guy (Help!) 09:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

But we DO have a "reliable independent secondary source", AND we have the primary source. Why aren't primary sources allowed? Why rely on hearsay when you have proof that something was said? Regardless of that, Triple J is indeed a reliable and independent secondary source. They publish a magazine (J-Mag) which includes articles from the site linked (I don't buy the magazine so I can't confirm if this particular interview was included).

What more proof is needed apart from audio evidence, and publication on the website of a very well respected music radio station? This article is very sparse, surely well sourced information like this from artists who have worked with Trombino adds to the quality of the entry?

Guy, can you confirm that this is being looked at my someone else (are we able to see the progress of OTRS)?Mikenosilly (talk) 11:03, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Somebody once said something. Here's a recording of them doing it.  Where's the independent evidence of significance?  None, that I can see.  If you can find a reliable independent secondary source that discusses what he's like to work with in general, then feel free to cite it. Guy (Help!) 12:54, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

 * "Where's the independent evidence of significance?" Are questioning whether the opinion of an artist is relevant to the producer's page?  Surely there is no doubt that this is significant.

 * Guy, the listing of the interview on the triple j website is a secondary source. The link to the interview audio is primary evidence.  How much more evidence is required?  Surely you can't get much better than a recording, and the backing of a legitimate and independant source of music news?Mikenosilly (talk) 09:22, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Am I questioning whether the opinion of one artist is relevant to the producer's page? Absolutely.  This might be one artist who had a personality clash.  We would need a reliable independent secondary source saying that this is representative of the opinion of people who have worked with him.  Guy (Help!) 13:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Guy, it doesn't have to be representative, it doesn't even have to be true, it merely has to be shown to have been said. You clearly do not understand this policy, please read it specifically about opinions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Attributing_and_substantiating_biased_statements Mikenosilly (talk) 02:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Mike, both the audio interview and the transcript of the interview are considered primary sources. Your assertion that the audio is the primary source and that the transcript is the secondary source is simply wrong.   Secondary sources include comments on, interpretations of, or discussions about the original material, so a secondary source in this case would be an article that discusses that triple j interview.

 * Even so, if you had bothered to listen to the audio file, you would have realized that it doesn't even include the contentious quote from Strachan. Not that it matters - the transcript would still have been a primary source.

 * I'll say it again: the quote is not opinion, but an substantiated statement of fact that has the potential to defame the character of a living person and to cause harm to their career.  You are fighting for the right to cause harm to someone, Mike.

 * People who enjoy reading hearsay and shit talking can troll the forums at Absolute Punk - that kind of vitriol has no place here. Pvoc3000 (talk) 23:13, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Pvoc, you might need to do a bit more research on primary and secondary sources! My categorisation is perfectly reasonable. As you say yoruself, secondary sources "include comments on etc". INCLUDE! They do not need to include such things to besecondary soruces of information. In a situation where there is a BETTER source of the same information, it is generally accepted that this would be called the primary source, and other replications of that information would be secondary. But this is a debate for another time.

I would repeat, this is not hearsay. There is no doubt that these are the words of Strachan, and that they are attributed, and do truly represent his opinion. To be clear, it would be hearsay if it were used to prove that Trombino was inflexible. But it is not, it is merely presented as proof that Strachan found Trombino inflexible, which is 100% factually accurate, and is supported by primary and secondary sources. And again, this type of opinion is explicitly permitted by this policy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Attributing_and_substantiating_biased_statements

Can someone please, explicitly, explain why this policy doesn't apply, when it clearly allows for precisely this kind of information to be included.Mikenosilly (talk) 02:31, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I think I have a pretty solid understanding of what constitutes a primary and secondary source, Mike.

 * According to Wikipedia, "secondary sources are generally regarded as those sources that summarize or add commentary to primary sources in the context of the particular information or idea under study". Doesn't get much more simple than that.  Pvoc3000 (talk) 07:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Keyword: "generally". And if you read that article you would have seen this line: "the distinction between primary and secondary sources is subjective and contextual, so that precise definitions are difficult to make."  Doesn't sound very "simple" now, does it?Mikenosilly (talk) 11:23, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Yes, it still sounds very simple, and it worries me that you're having such a difficult time with it. If you haven't already, I encourage you to read the source I cited above, because you'll find a very concrete example: "An interview in the Rolling Stone with Chris Robinson of the Black Crowes would be a primary source, but a review of the latest Black Crowes album would be a secondary source."  check it: http://www.ithaca.edu/library/course/primary.html

 * This discussion has become ridiculous and boring. The quote has been shown many, many times over to be in violation of Wikipedia policies and guidelines and yet you're still asking for people to show you why its not.  Either you can not comprehend what people are saying, or you refuse to.  To me, its blatantly obvious that you are pushing an agenda here, that you have some sort of personal vendetta against the subject, and that no matter how much evidence is presented to the contrary, you are going to continue to insist that the quote is permissible and ask for proof that it is not.  My contribution is not making any difference, and one could argue that I'm just feeding the beast by continuing to respond to you, so I am going to stop.  Peace.  Pvoc3000 (talk) 18:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

This says it all really: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Attributing_and_substantiating_biased_statements Mikenosilly (talk) 10:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually I'd say that WP:UNDUE says it all. Guy (Help!) 11:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

 * So including a better range of opinions from artists would better satisfy WP:UNDUE. I will work on finding more. Mikenosilly (talk) 11:56, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You need a reliable independent secondary source which says what people generally think he is like to work with, yes. Guy (Help!) 13:01, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Then what is the point of the biased statements policy? It clearly says, and Sbowers3 above confirms, that truth is not important, as long as the quote is accurate and can be attributed.  Could you please explain that?Mikenosilly (talk) 00:30, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/In a world

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. --23:31, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

In a world
Delete Non-encyclopedic PhilipO 06:23, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * delete absolutely Non-encyclopedic. Doesn't quite qualify for a speedy, but i wish it did. DES (talk) 06:30, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. One sentence, and bsolutely nothing further to say about the subject. Isomorphic 06:53, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per DESiegel and that wikipedia is not a list of phrases. --Apyule 07:20, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Less than a dicdef. ManoaChild 08:52, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Less than a sub-substub. - Mgm|(talk) 08:56, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete for inanity. --Agamemnon2 10:56, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete second inanity, second wishing it qualified for speedy. --KillerChihuahua 14:06, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as is. But this could absolutely be a legitimate article.  I may even rewrite the article just to spite the deletionists. :)  (Although the title should probably be something like "In a world where...".)  R ADICAL B ENDER  ★  14:37, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * I can't of anything to include in such an article. What would you include if you ever rewrote it? - Mgm|(talk) 10:08, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * In a world where Wikipedia was a collection of catch phrases, this article would not deserve to be deleted. Sdedeo 18:45, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Don LaFontaine or Trailer (movie). Caerwine Caerwine 17:18, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Talk:Frank Poole

Question
Hi ! In the article, I tried to add more information about the chess game played by Frank vs. HAL. Do you think Franck is really murdered by HAL as it is written in the article? In my opinion, Hal attempted to kill him (in the movie) but he didn't succeed! Thanks! --Eric Guez 06:23, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Eric...sounds like you need to read 3001: The Final Odyssey

 * Hi Eric, it was I who deleted that Chess part. I was a Chess lover while a kid with a lot of time at hand, and even now, I have nothing against Chess. But imho, the article had a tad too much about Chess - an average reader, when heard the name "Frank Pool" would never think of "Chess". We don't need to add any more than necessary - although I feel the current article is too short about Pool's role in the story. Hope you would understand.

 * About HAL, HAL_9000 is also a good answer to your question. Greenleaf 10:00, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

I moved the chess game to a separate page, and reduced the content here to a link. I think that's probably appropriate for this article - the chess game isn't really that significant in the movie. Unfortunately, now the article really needs to be expanded. I don't remember the movie that well, but I remember Poole talking with Dave Bowman (HAL reads their lips), and it's a major part of the plot when Poole dies. Sim man 19:23, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Rewrote this a bit
The part after Poole dies due to oxygen deprivation wasn't really explained all that well so I added some details, hope nobody minds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.29.233.149 (talk) 14:32, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Born 1996, Space pilot by 2001?!
Who the hell wrote that his birthdate is established later as being in "1996"?

That would make him four years old when the Jupiter mission begins.

I'm removing this, due to sheer stupidity. AndarielHalo (talk) 14:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

All parts about Poole's being killed
Need to be changed to "apparently killed", because that is what it was. Poole's body was freeze-dried in outer space, and it was cast off in the direction of Jupiter, where a gravitational encounter expelled it all the way beyond the orbit of Neptune. His body was found by a spaceship in about 3001, and then he was revived and restored to complete consciousness. NOT DEAD. He even fathered two children later on. 98.67.163.16 (talk) 23:50, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Added more information and corrected mistakes
I added much more information about Poole, and I corrected a significant number of error. Here is not the place for speculation. PUT THE BOOK in you lap and get things exactly right instead of saying. "I think so." For example, Poole's boyhood hometown was given by Clarke as Flagstaff, Ariz. He was either born there or he was taken there at a very young age. It doesn't make any difference if he was born in San Luis Obispo, etc. As for me, I don't even remember the place where I was born, or the place after that. What is inportant is the first place that I can remember. For Poole, that place was Flagstaff, Arizona, his hometown. 98.67.163.16 (talk) 23:50, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Poole's higher education
In the novel 2001, it is clearly stated that both Poole and Bowman had earned their Ph.D.s in General Asronautics. Then several times in the film, they are addressed as "Dr. Poole" and "Dr. Bowman". A character's, or a real person's, higher education is a quite important part of his/her background, so we should say so. How did anyone miss this? As for some real astronauts, we have had Dr. Edwin Aldrin, Ph.D. from M.I.T., Dr. Sally Ride, Dr. Owen Garriott, Dr. Edward Gibson, Dr. Joseph Kerwin, and Dr. Judith Resnick. Dr. Aldrin's Ph.D. was in the science of rendesvous & docking, which was something that was critical for Apollo 11. Aldrin was also an expert on EVAs. All of the others above also had their doctorates in engineering or the physical sciences, except for Dr. Kerwin, a Navy flight surgeon, who was the first American M.D. to go into outer space. 98.67.163.16 (talk) 23:50, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

The first M.D. to take a spaceflight...
The first M.D. to take a spaceflight was a Soviet cosmonaut who flew in a space capsule called Voskhod 1 in 1964. He was actually a very young doctor, but he developed a specialty in disorders of the human balance system. Interestingly, his father was a noted cardiac surgeon, and his mother was an opthamologist. His father also had a lot of pull with the Soviet Politburo, and that was how his son ended up getting to go on a spaceflight. Sadly, it seems that it might have been better for the son to have followed his father into a coronry specialty, because he died of a heart attack in 1991. Yikes, that was over 20 years ago! 98.67.163.16 (talk) 23:57, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Discription of the Discovery One
The Discovery One was an unimaginably-huge SPACESHIP, and no other description such as "spacecraft", "ship", or "bird" could possibly describe her. Don't do it. Gemini 7 and Apollo 8 were "spacecraft". However, the Discovery One, the Alexi Leonov, and the ENDEAVOUR are SPACESHIPS, and the USS ENTERPRISE is a STARSHIP. Let's give credit where credit is due, and not go around using Mickey Mouse words. 98.67.163.16 (talk) 00:06, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

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Cape Hallett

Cape Hallett is a snow-free area (Antarctic oasis) on the northern tip of the Hallett Peninsula on the Ross Sea coast of Victoria Land, East Antarctica. Cape Adare lies 100 km to the north.

History
In 1956, during Operation Deep Freeze II, USS Arneb (AKA-56) was damaged by an ice floe at Cape Hallett.

On 16 October 1958, a Douglas C-124C Globemaster II (52-1017) of the USAF crashed into a 3200-foot mountain near Cape Hallett Bay while maneuvering, killing 7 of the 13 occupants. The Globemaster was on an airdrop flight from Christchurch to McMurdo Station and other navigational errors had occurred prior to the crash.

Hallett Station

The cape was the location of a joint scientific base, Hallett Station, between the United States and New Zealand during the International Geophysical Year of 1957, and was manned permanently until 1964, when there was a major fire. It was then used as a summer only base until 1973. The site is currently being remediated by removing hazardous materials: fuel, and oil stored in several large tanks. This is an ongoing project which will take several years to complete.

Antarctic Specially Protected Area
An area of 74 ha is protected under the Antarctic Treaty System as Antarctic Specially Protected Area (ASPA) No.106 because it contains habitats with a rich and diverse range of plant communities that are the most extensive and representative examples known at the northern end of the latitudinal gradient of Victoria Land and the Ross Sea. Surveys have recorded 18 species of lichens and five species of mosses, dominated by Bryum subrotundifolium. Animals found at the site include, as well as four species of mites and three of springtails, breeding colonies of south polar skuas and Adélie penguins.

Adélie penguin colony
A large Adélie penguin colony occupies Seabee Hook, on the west side of Hallett Peninsula between Moubray Bay and Edisto Inlet. The history of human impact on the colony through the occupation of Hallett Station, and the subsequent closure of the station, together with the availability of reliable historical data on colony population size, make the site unique and ideal for the study of impacts on, and recovery of, the colony after substantial ecosystem disturbance.

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Dragon View

Dragon View is a side-scrolling role-playing beat 'em up for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System developed by Kotobuki System in November 1994 and published by Kemco in North America. Released in Japan as Super Drakkhen (スーパードラッケン) and otherwise known as Drakkhen II, it is meant to be a sequel to Drakkhen although it bears little resemblance to its predecessor. It uses the same pseudo-3D overworld system for which the series is most famous. Other features of Dragon View are its side-view action role-playing game (RPG) hybrid gameplay (used when exploring more detailed areas such as towns and dungeons), its well translated first-person storyline, and its emphasis on player-driven undirected exploration. In 2019, the game was re-released through emulation for Windows. In 2022, a reproduction SNES cartridge was released by Limited Run Games.

Gameplay
The Drakkhen series' most recognizable feature is its custom overworld engine. First used by the original Amiga version of Drakkhen, it was later used in the PC and SNES ports. The Dragon View version sports basic terrain shading and mountainlike "boundaries" that enclose areas of the continent. While not "True 3D", the overworld engine simulates depth on its own (without the aid of supplementary hardware such as the Super FX chip) using sprite scaling and rudimentary rendering. This system is able to run smoothly on standard SNES hardware because little more than half of the total screen area is ever in use. Since the top and bottom panels are completely static during overworld navigation, all hardware power is focused on rendering the first-person view. Even so, framerates can suffer as many sprites are sometimes present on a single screen.

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User talk:Eric1280

Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you were just trying to experiment, then use the sandbox instead. Thank you. --PhilipO 06:25, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

POV issues.
Okay, Philip. My personal opinions of Karen Lancaume do not matter in Wikipedia. I see this page as a demeaning "adult review" of Karen's life. I will no longer edit it. Is this not a point of view issue though, pure opinion, even? -She was well known to exhibit lewd abandon in her sex scenes. For example in "World Sex Tour 21" she engages in a hot foursome with three other male actors. This scene includes Karen enjoying anal sex and double penetration.-

You call my edit vandalism, I call this page a demeaning disaster to the memory of Karen Lancaume.

 * I don't know anything about this woman - but looking at the edits that were happening to the article it appears like vandalism. The formatting was all messed up and placing comments on the article itself is not the best thing to. By all means continue to edit this if it is in good faith - but it is best to keep everything in Wiki format or others will revert your edits too. --PhilipO 07:05, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

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NoCGV Ålesund

NoCGV Ålesund was a purpose-built, leased, offshore patrol vessel for the Norwegian Coast Guard of the Royal Norwegian Navy.

In November 1995, the Norwegian Coast Guard ordered two purpose-built chartered Fishery Protection Vessels, the NOCGV Tromsø, a 2,100-ton Polish-built vessel chartered from Tromsø Dampskibsselskab, and Ålesund, a 1,350-ton vessel chartered from Remøy Shipping. Ålesund entered service in April 1996.

Ålesund is named after the city Ålesund in Western Norway. She is a 1,350-ton vessel, and was armed with a Bofors 40 mm gun and Colt 12,7mm heavy machine guns. Ålesund was used for general EEZ patrol, including fishery inspection and search and rescue. She was based at the naval base Haakonsvern in Bergen. Her crew contained 10 officers and 12 conscripts.

She is currently disarmed and laid up in Herøy by owners. No plans for future use is known.

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Wild Rice River

Wild Rice River may refer to either of two tributaries of the Red River of the North, which forms the border of Minnesota and North Dakota and flows into Manitoba, Canada:

 * Wild Rice River (Minnesota)
 * Wild Rice River (North Dakota)

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Oskar Braaten

Oskar Braaten (25 November 1881 – 17 July 1939) was a Norwegian novelist and playwright.

Biography
Oskar Alexander Braaten was born in Sagene, a borough of the city of Oslo. Sagene was one of Norway's oldest industrial areas, dating to the mid-19th century. Oskar Braaten attended school in Sagene until he was 15 years old. In 1899, he was hired by the antiquarian bookstore Bertrand Jensen, where he remained until 1910.

Though born and raised in Oslo, Braaten joined the mostly rural landsmål-movement. Braaten is best known for his popular plays and novels depicting the lives of factory workers alongside Akerselva in Oslo. He published seven novels between 1917 and 1925. Braaten conveys a new image of Oslo not seen before in literature. Braaten was able to provide vivid and richly nuanced images of working-class life on the east side of Oslo during a historical period of industrialization. Criticism of injustice and inequality arises, but there is relatively little political tendency in his literary works.

He served as an advisor and theater manager at the Det Norske Teatret in Oslo from its start in 1915 until his death. He was a consultant for the theater 1915–25, served as its theater director (Teatersjef) from 1934 to 1936, and was dramatic performance manager from 1937 until his death. He was editor of For Bygd og By in 1912 and co-editor of St. Hallvard in 1933. Braaten was the chairman of the Norwegian Authors' Union (Den norske forfatterforening) at the end of 1921/22 and again in 1933.

Personal life
Oskar Braaten and Nanna Thorvaldsen were married in 1910. Oskar and Nanna had a son Bjorn in 1912, daughter Berit in 1918. In 1921, the family moved to Ullevål Hageby, a residential area in the Nordre Aker borough of Oslo.

Selected works

 * 1910: Kring fabrikken (Around the Factory)
 * 1911: Ungen (The Child)
 * 1918: Bak høkerens disk (Behind the Shopkeeper's Counter)
 * 1918: Fabrikken (The Factory)
 * 1919: Ulvehiet (The Wolf's Lair)
 * 1925: Den store barnedåpen (The Great Christening)
 * 1927: Godvakker-Maren (Good Pretty Maren)

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Romeyn de Hooghe

Romeyn de Hooghe (bapt. 10 September 1645 – 10 June 1708) was a late Dutch Baroque painter, sculptor, engraver and caricaturist.

Biography
He was born in Amsterdam, and was a skilled etcher, draughtsman, painter, sculptor and medalist. He is best known for political caricatures of Louis XIV and propagandistic prints supporting William of Orange. He was also active as an erotic artist and some of his political propaganda prints can be considered early, prototypical comic strips.

During his career, de Hooghe produced over 3500 prints. He also illustrated books, and his illustrations can be found in some of the most important texts of his period. The Hieroglyphica of Merkbeelden der oude volkeren (1735) was a well known emblem book and sourcebook for classical mythology and its iconography.

According to Houbraken he was particularly good at inventive arrangements of subjects in engravings. He was also a gifted painter and painted large panels for the rooms of the mayor's office in Enkhuizen and a room in the estate of Mattthijs van den Broeck in Dubbeldam. Houbraken disapproved of his dissolute lifestyle however, and felt that despite an enormous talent, as he grew older, he engraved shameful subjects that were a disgrace to the profession.

Contrary to this, the historian Simon Schama wrote in the aftermath of the Charlie Hebdo killings of 2015 that: "The first great modern graphic satirist was Romeyn de Hooghe, enlisted by William III at the end of the 17th century in his relentless war to the death with Louis XIV. De Hooghe obliged with sprawling cartoons representing the wars against the French monarch and his allies as a battle between liberty and religious despotism".

According to the RKD he became a member of the Confrerie Pictura in 1662 and again in 1683 in the Hague. He was engaged to Maria Lansman of Edam in 1673, and their child was baptized in the Nieuwezijds Kapel in Amsterdam in 1674. He is known for decorative borders on large-scale city maps. His pupils were Filibert Bouttats (1654-after 1731), Filibertus Bouttats (1635–1707), Frans Decker, François Harrewijn, Jacobus Harrewijn, Aernout Naghtegael, Laurens Scherm, and Adriaen Schoonebeek. De Hooghe died in Haarlem.

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Rossarden

Rossarden is a rural locality in the local government areas (LGA) of Northern Midlands (89%) and Break O'Day (11%) in the Central and North-east LGA regions of Tasmania. The locality is about 81 km east of the town of Longford. The 2016 census recorded a population of 42 for the state suburb of Rossarden.

History
Rossarden was gazetted as a locality in 1973.

It is an old mining town in north-east Tasmania, located 19 km from Avoca and within sight of Ben Lomond.

The town came into being primarily as a result of the tin mining operations of Aberfoyle Tin Mining Company, N.L which created a demand for employees.

The town is located in a valley below Stacks Bluff (1527 m) and it is an old tin mining town, though the mine closed in 1982. Prior to this Rossarden was one of Australia's major tin producing towns. The main road into and out of the town is Rossarden Road.

At the, Rossarden and the surrounding area had a population of 172. According to the 2011 census, this number had grown to 301 people.

In 2008 an irregularity in the deed paperwork belonging to the residents of Rossarden was discovered. It was discovered that each resident actually owned the house next door to their own. The irregularity has since been corrected by the State Government.

By 1933 the town was said to be growing steadily with a town hall, a post office, and 17 dwellings built in a matter of months, while a community ball was reported to have been arranged in order to raise funds for a tennis and badminton court. The post office opened on 20 November 1933.

Nearby locations include Storeys Creek, where there was a wolfram mine, Fingal and Avoca. The town's decline was captured in the Weddings Parties Anything song "Rossarden".

A book was written about the town in 2004 focusing on the stories of former residents. There are also various books written about the mineralogy in the area.

In recent times there has been a campaign to draw tourists to the area.

In 2016 plans for a new base station that would better serve mobile telephone coverage in the Rossarden area were revealed.

Geography
Almost all the boundaries are survey lines. Storys Creek, a tributary of the South Esk River, flows through from north to south.

Road infrastructure
Route B42 (Rossarden Road) runs through from south to north-east.

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John H. McConnell

John Henderson McConnell (May 10, 1923 – April 25, 2008) was the founder of Worthington Industries, which manufactures processed steel products, pressure cylinders, and metal framing. He was the founder, majority owner, chairman, and governor of the Columbus Blue Jackets NHL team. In addition, McConnell was a part of the ownership group of the AFL's Columbus Destroyers, an early investor in the MLS' Columbus Crew, and minority owner of the Pittsburgh Pirates.

A native of Pughtown, West Virginia, McConnell served in the navy aboard the aircraft carrier USS Saratoga (CV-3) during World War II. He went on to receive a degree in Business Administration from Michigan State University in 1949. As a young steel salesman, he founded Worthington Industries in 1955, using his car as collateral to purchase his first load of steel for custom processing. He remained chairman until 1996, and retired from the board of directors in 2002. McConnell's son, John P. McConnell, succeeded McConnell as CEO of Worthington Industries in 1993, chairman of the board in 1996 and majority owner and governor of the Blue Jackets in 2008.

Among his philanthropic contributions was a donation of over $15 million to develop the McConnell Heart Health Center at Riverside Methodist Hospital. He also donated to promote the development of the Peggy R. McConnell Arts Center, a community gathering/arts center named after his late wife. After bringing the NHL expansion franchise to Columbus, he helped establish the Columbus Blue Jackets Foundation in March 2000 with the stated goal of helping improve the quality of life throughout central Ohio.

McConnell was named the Chief Executive Officer of the Year by Financial World and Industry Week magazines. He also received the Horatio Alger Award, the National Football Foundation Gold Medal Award, the Ohio Governor's Award, and the Golden Plate Award of the American Academy of Achievement. He was inducted into the Central Ohio Business Hall of Fame, the Columbus Hall of Fame, and the Junior Achievement National Business Hall of Fame.

McConnell was raised to the sublime degree of a Master Mason in East Lansing Lodge #480, Free and Accepted Masons in East Lansing, MI on October 4, 1948, where he was made a Life Member in 1988 and presented with his 50-year award in 1998.

A tribute to "Mr. Mac" was held at Nationwide Arena for the home opener of the 2008–09 Columbus Blue Jackets season. The Blue Jackets defeated the Nashville Predators 5–3.

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Talk:Ajahn Sumedho

Image copyright
I think the image falls under fair use protection, reasons given in the image page itself, but briefly:

The source does not state copyright information and doesn't credit the artist, and the image is used for nonprofit reasons, and its reproduction here is used for nonprofit and educational reasons. If you're certain it doesn't apply, then alright, but until that time I've restored the image, if only temporarily. - Theli 93

 * That's fine with me. I routinely remove images that don't have copyright info, but I don't necessarily mind them being put back, certainly not if they acquire copyright info. Also, I never assume fair use on images that other people upload, but, if you want to claim it, I won't argue, either. - Nat Krause 10:11, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I should have put the copyright info on the page to begin with, but I'm a fairly new user on wikipedia and wasn't sure how to do it. Just wanted to clarify in greater detail why I think it qualifies as fair use, despite the lack of available copyright info. - Theli 93

Imminent retirement
Ajahn Sumedho's announced his retirement? What? Where has this information come from? I haven't found it anywhere else on the internet so far. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.93.101.56 (talk) 16:00, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Citation just added in form of ext link to a recording of his successor making an announcement to that effect. Wingspeed (talk) 01:04, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * In 2010 Luang Por retired as Abbot of Amaravati and returned to Wat Pah Pong.He continued teaching in South East Asia fot the next ten years until his return to Amaravati in 2020.He still travels the world to this day giving
 * Dhamma teachings. 2403:6200:88A8:17EB:207B:5365:5179:EE03 (talk) 07:16, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

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Vladimir Mikhailovich Belyaev

Vladimir Mikhailovich Belyaev (Владимир Михайлович Беляев, Vladimir Mihailovici Beliaev; born 18 March 1965) is the minister of information and telecommunications of Transnistria. He was born and raised in Tiraspol, Moldavian SSR, which became the capital of Transnistria when Transnistria declared independence in 1990. In 1987 he received an engineering degree in Odesa in Ukraine. Belyaev served from 1988 until 1991 in the Soviet Army and then until 1998 in the Russian Army. From 1998, he worked at the ministry of information and telecommunications, where he was appointed deputy minister in 2000. In 2002, he was appointed as minister. Belyaev is married and has a daughter. He is of Russian ancestry.

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Nayak (1966 film)

Nayak (also released under the translated title The Hero, and as Nayak: The Hero) is a 1966 Indian Bengali-language drama film composed, written, and directed by Satyajit Ray. It was Ray's second entirely original screenplay, after Kanchenjungha (1962). The story revolves around a matinee idol on a 24-hour train journey from Kolkata to Delhi to receive a national award. However, he ends up revealing his mistakes, insecurities and regrets to a young journalist, who realises that behind all his arrogant facade lies a deeply troubled man as his life's story is gradually revealed through seven flashbacks and two dreams. The film starring Uttam Kumar in main protagonist and Sharmila Tagore played second lead.

In Nayak, Uttam Kumar plays Arindam Mukherjee with such poise and ease that it appears as if he is portraying his own life on the celluloid. Ray gives us a vulnerable hero hiding behind his cocky, larger-than-life façade. And, Kumar, to his credit, never misses a note during his challenging portrayal. He is well complemented by Sharmila Tagore who plays the character of Aditi to a tee. Aditi is the only person Arindam opens up to; the tantalizing conversations between the two characters offer some great food for thought. Ray uses the various interactions between the co-passengers to make us realize that the hypocrisies and follies of a star are not much different from that of an ordinary man. A few other characters in the movie merely provide a morality check.

Satyajit Ray often used to say that he did not like making grand films, and that he would rather tell the story of the ordinary man, the man on the street. Like his films, his short stories too mirrored this preference of his – most of them describing the lives of ordinary men – all of whom were, without exception, very lonely. Why, then, did Ray decide to make Nayak (The Hero) – a film on the life of an insanely popular matinee idol, a brash, haughty young superstar riding the waves of popularity and enjoying it to the hilt? The answer is hidden in the many layers of the film itself – a film that is so rich, so deep and yet, told in such simple language that perhaps it would not be a mistake to claim that it featured among the best works of Satyajit Ray's illustrious career.

Plot
The plot of the film has to some extent been inspired by Wild Strawberries of Ingmar Bergman. A famous actor of Bengali films, Arindam Mukherjee (Uttam Kumar), is invited to the capital, Delhi to receive a prestigious award. He travels by the train. The morning newspaper arrives and carries with it an article on an altercation he had been involved in. In the restaurant car, he meets Aditi Sengupta (Sharmila Tagore), a young journalist who edits a modern women's magazine, Adhunika. Filled with contempt for the likes of him, she secretly plans to interview him because she thinks it would attract more readers. He soon starts to reveal his personality, and also brings to surface the inner insecurities and his consciousness of the limitations of his 'powers'. Aditi initially takes notes, surreptitiously, but later on, out of empathy almost bordering on pity, stops. However, critical of the star, she interrogates him, leading to further introspection on his part. Slowly, his guilt about the way things turned out is very visible.

Arindam also mentions Shankar-da, his mentor, who had never wanted Arindam to join films, being a strong opposer of the medium. He talks about his first day in film, and on the different experiences he faced with other workers in the field and some of the things that happened to them.

Toward the end of the train journey, Arindam is drunk and feels a need to confide his wrongdoings. He asks the conductor to fetch Aditi. He begins to reveal the reason behind the altercation he was a part of, but Aditi stops him, as she has already guessed. It was an affair he'd had with one of his co-actors, Promila. Afraid that he might commit suicide, Aditi makes sure he returns to his cubicle, before going back to her own.

As the star re-lives and examines his life with Aditi, a bond develops between them. Aditi realizes that in spite of his fame and success, Arindam is a lonely man, in need of empathy. Out of respect for him, she chooses to suppress the story and tears up the notes she has written. She lets the hero preserve his public image.

Cast

 * Uttam Kumar - Arindam Mukherjee
 * Sharmila Tagore - Aditi Sengupta
 * Bireswar Sen - Mukunda Lahiri
 * Soumen Bose - Shankar
 * Nirmal Ghosh - Jyoti Banerjee
 * Premangshu Bose - Biresh
 * Jogesh Chatterjee - Aghore Chattopadhyay
 * Sumita Sanyal - Promila Chatterjee
 * Ranjit Sen - Haren Bose
 * Bharati Devi - Manorama (Mr. Bose's wife)
 * Lali Chowdhury - Bulbul (Mr. Bose's daughter)
 * Kamu Mukherjee - Pritish Sarkar
 * Susmita Mukherjee - Molly (Mr. Sarkar's wife)
 * Subrata Sensharma - Ajoy
 * Jamuna Sinha - Sefalika (Ajoy's wife)
 * Satya Banerjee - Swami of WWWW organisation
 * Hiralal - Kamal Misra

Development
This is Satyajit Ray's second original screenplay after Kanchunjungha. Ray wrote the screenplay of the film at Darjeeling in May, where he went during off-season from filming. Even then he had Uttam Kumar in his mind for the lead, but not as an actor, rather a "phenomenon". When Ray finished this script he read it to Tapan Sinha and said  I would choose Uttam for this role . Sinha replied ''This is the perfect choice. No one else can play this role other than Uttam''. In a letter by Ray in 1966, he wrote: "I wanted a relationship to develop between the Matinee Idol and a girl on the train. Romance was out – the time being so short – but I wanted something with an interesting development. The transition from apathy mixed with a certain dislike, to sympathetic understanding, seemed a promising one. So I made Aditi a slightly snooty sophisticate who questions and resists the easy charm, good looks, sangfroid, etc etc. of the Idol, until she discovers there’s an area where he is helpless, lonely, and in need of guidance. From the point where he begins to unburden himself, Aditi can ignore his façade because she’s had a glimpse of what lies beneath. At first he is ‘material’ for her for a journalistic probe, until the process of unbarring reaches a point where she realizes it would be unethical to exploit it. Sympathy and desire to help is the next step. The bond between the two is tenuous, but real. Intellectually clearly above him, her goodness consists in providing him with the small area of contact that exists between them..."

Casting
Uttam Kumar was the obvious choice for the role of Arindam ever since Ray had written the film. But at first Ray selected Madhabi Mukherjee for the role of Aditi. But Madhabi rejected the offer because of personal reasons. When Ray couldn't find any artist for the role of Aditi he suddenly thought of Sharmila Tagore. During those years, Tagore was busy filming Hindi films. According to Ray's son Sandip Ray Sharmila was dating Tiger Pataudi at that time. Tiger would also come to see the shooting back then.Bharati Devi and other well known artists played the supporting roles. Soumitra Chatterjee who was a known face in Ray's films as a lead actor, was also wanted to play Arindam on screen. But Ray already had Uttam on his mind.

Development
The film was shot in the latter half of 1965. Many people thought generally that the film was shot in train. But originally the film was shot in NT Studio (New Theaters) 1 and 2 both. The art director Banshi Chandra Gupta personally visited in Santragachi junction to see train compartment making. Later he brings train making parts and builds up a luxurious Rajdhani Express in studio and the outside train sequences, shots and sound are taken from original train journey from Kolkata to Delhi when Banshi himself captured that totally. The film also was shot in Howrah Station and that tea drinking scenes in station of Uttam are taken from Khanyan station. In this same scenes Sharmila shots are taken from studio.

Before the shooting of Nayak Uttam suffered in chicken pox. So there was a black spots on his check. The first day of shoot Ray told Uttam to shoot without makeup Uttam generally shocked. He suggests to Ray that he had a pox spot so to give the permissions of makeup but Ray reassured him, saying he would give him some make up during the later stages shooting.

In one scenario, he took the pen out of the pocket to sign. The pen had run out of ink. Satyajit went to say cut, then Uttam tried to sign again with a light shake. Even though it didn't work, he dipped the pen in the glass of water in front of him and signed. Satyajit was very happy to see this scene. This show Uttam's geniusness.

Sharmila Tagore's stylish modern glass was famous at that time in women's society.

Ray was known for his perfection. So in Nayak he rejected 100 shaving brush before to not matched to his mind and then selected one for Uttam.

Release & Reception
The film premiered in Indira Cinema hall. Satyajit Ray invited Uttam Kumar to attend the premiere. When Uttam Kumar arrived in Indira Hall, there were thousands of people gathered to see him and police was employed to handle the situation. The film released on 6 May 1966 in India and Berlin Film Festivals and received overwhelming appreciation from the critics. It was released in the US in 1974.

This was the first time when the two icons of Bengali Cinema Satyajit Ray and Uttam Kumar worked together. Uttam Kumar once said that it was one of the best films of his career. When the famous Hollywood star Elizabeth Taylor saw Nayak in London she become impressed with Uttam's outstanding performance and screen presence in the film. This film gave Uttam international recognition. The film become an all-time blockbuster at the box office.

Ray wrote after Uttam's death ‘''I hardly recall any discussion with Uttam on a serious analytical level on the character he was playing. And yet he constantly surprised and delighted me with unexpected little details of action and behaviour which came from him and not from me, which were always in character and always enhanced a scene. They were so spontaneous that it seemed he produced these out of his sleeve. If there was any cogitation involved, he never spoke about it.''’ He also said that in this film he might have made some mistakes but Uttam never made any, every shot was confirmed in one take.

For his performance in Nayak, Uttam Kumar was included in Forbes India's 25 greatest acting performances of all time.

After being digitally restored in Academy Film Archive Nayak was re released in 2014 Berlin Film Festivals. The film got success again.

Awards

 * Special Jury Award, Berlin International Film Festival, 1966
 * Critics' Prize (UNICRIT Award), Berlin International Film Festival, 1966
 * 1967: National Film Award for Best Feature Film in Bengali
 * 1967: Bodil Award for Best Non European Film
 * 1967: BFJA for Best Director Award - Satyajit Ray
 * 1967: BFJA for Best Actor Award - Uttam Kumar

Nominations

 * Golden Bear for Best Film, Berlin International Film Festival, 1966

Preservation and restoration
The film is one of four Ray films which were digitally restored and set for a re-release in January 2014.

The Academy Film Archive preserved Nayak in 2004.

Legacy
The 2010 Bengali film Autograph directed by Srijit Mukherjee was made as a tribute to Nayak.

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Samantha Mulder

Samantha Ann Mulder is a fictional character in the television series The X-Files. She is the younger sister of FBI Special Agent Fox Mulder and the daughter of Teena and Bill Mulder. As a child, Samantha was abducted, ostensibly by aliens, and was never returned. It is this experience that drives her older brother Fox Mulder to join the FBI, and later take the reins of the X-Files section.

Character arc
On the evening of November 27, 1973, Samantha Mulder was apparently abducted by aliens from the Mulder family home on Martha's Vineyard, when she was 8 years old. Her older brother Fox Mulder, who was 12 years old at the time, witnessed the abduction that began his life-long obsession with finding the truth about extraterrestrials to shed light on this unexplained incident. Many episodes of the show focused on Mulder's determined efforts to discover what happened to his little sister and find out about her whereabouts or unveil her fate. However, many of Mulder's attempts had failed.

When a woman who claimed to be Samantha first reappeared 22 years later as an adult, she claimed that she lost her memory after her abduction and was adopted by a new family when the aliens returned her to Earth in 1979. She stated she had been gradually regaining her memory regarding her tragic childhood during the last year before finally reuniting with her real family and Mulder. Shockingly, this person was later revealed to be an imposter who was just one of the several adult Samantha clones, all of whom were killed by the Alien Bounty Hunter.

It is later stated that Samantha was taken as a hostage to ensure Bill Mulder's silence around the Syndicate's genetic experiments, and that the Mulders were forced to choose who would be abducted between Fox and Samantha.

Jeremiah Smith takes Mulder to a covert bee husbandry facility in remote Alberta. There, he finds a group of Samantha clones, all no older than the day the real Samantha originally disappeared in 1973. The clones had been working on the alien colonists' and Syndicate's joint project of spreading the black oil. The facility was soon after destroyed, and the clones were presumably killed by the Alien Bounty Hunter.

Later in the fourth season, Mulder becomes convinced that Samantha was kidnapped and murdered by John L. Roche. Roche is a serial killer whom Mulder previously profiled, and helped lock up for the murder of thirteen young girls. His signature was the removal of a heart-shaped piece of cloth from each girl's clothing. Through a dream, Mulder finds another girl, and the discovery of the missing "paper hearts" reveals that two are still missing, for a total of sixteen. Roche manipulates Mulder into believing that Samantha is one of his victims, taking him to the scene of the abduction to explain it. However, Mulder took him to the wrong house and catches him in the lie. At the end of the episode Roche gives the location of one of the missing victims, but is shot and killed by Mulder during a standoff before revealing the location of the last body.

At the beginning of the fifth season, The Smoking Man introduced Mulder to a woman who he claims is, and who herself believes to be, Samantha. She tells Mulder that she has children of her own, thought that her mother had died some time ago, and believed Cigarette Smoking Man to be her father. She leaves abruptly during the meeting, and is never seen again. According to Cassandra Spender, she was indeed another clone, but not the real Samantha.

Samantha's true storyline is revealed and resolved in the seventh season episode, "Closure". In that episode, Dana Scully watches a 1989 tape in which Mulder undergoes hypnotic regression therapy, from which another agent describes his recollection of Samantha's abduction as a "garden-variety compensatory abduction fantasy" that feeds Mulder's "unconscious hope that his sister is still alive". Later, with the help of a medium, Mulder discovers that Samantha was raised by the Cigarette Smoking Man alongside Jeffrey Spender. They also uncover her old diary, which states that she was subjected to constant tests before she eventually ran away aged 14. Eventually, she was picked up by police as a wandering runaway and taken to Dominic Savio Memorial Hospital, suffering from paranoia and what authorities considered to be self-inflicted wounds. She gave no name or personal information and allowed no one but the emergency room nurse, Arbutus Ray, to touch her. Decades later, Ray informs Scully and Harold Pillar, the psychic, about the mysterious young girl (while Mulder stands nearby). Ray adds that a group of men (seemingly including the Cigarette Smoking Man) came to the hospital to claim the girl, only to find out upon their arrival that she was gone, taken by "spiritual intervention" beings called "Walk-ins", which try to save the innocent souls of children who are due to suffer terrible fates. Mulder concurrently learns of his sister's fate through a vision, and is relieved to learn she was saved through her death.

Samantha is mentioned again in the series finale, where Jeffrey Spender testifies at Mulder's trial he and Samantha grew up together at the military base and she died in 1987, and in The X-Files: I Want to Believe, being the inspiration that drives Mulder to try to save a likely-dead agent. Mulder is seen to admit she is dead, but keeps her picture on the wall with newspaper clippings of his own exploits with the FBI and alien evidence.

Portrayal history
Samantha Mulder was played as a child by Vanessa Morley, and as an adult by Megan Leitch. Several other actresses played the part for individual episodes—Brianne Benitz in the first season's "Miracle Man", Ashlynn Rose in the sixth season's "Dreamland II", and Mimi Paley in the seventh season episode "Closure".

Reception
Zack Handlen of The A.V. Club praised Samantha's apparent return in "Colony", saying that "In the seasons to come, we end up with enough Samantha's [sic] to fill a clown-car, but here, the reveal is shocking, effective, and unsettling".

David Bell and Lee-Jane Bennion-Nixon described the Samantha's story as a classical conspiracy narrative, and a "long-running, episodic storyline is especially pivotal to the series", a driving force behind the actions of its main character, Fox Mulder.

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Talk:Arnold Rimmer

Rimmer shouldn't be under Fictional English People
Rimmer shouldn't be under Fictional English People. The only mention of where he's from on the show is that he went to Io House for school, and the books have him being from Io. So not English, just somewhere with a remarkably similar accent.

76.189.99.150 07:36, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

This has links to a heading on Ace Rimmer, but no such heading. I was going to remove it, but if those who developed this article could make it, that would be wonderful content. Good job on the page, incidentally.
 * Seems to be left over from when it was part of the Red Dwarf characters page. Fixed. -asciic 08:48, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Name
An anonymous contributor changed the following text:

 * Arnold Judas Rimmer BSc, SSc (Bronze Swimming Certificate, Silver Swimming Certificate), who sometimes goes by Arnold Jonathan Rimmer is played by Chris Barrie in the television series Red Dwarf. He is instantly recognisable by both the permanent sneer on his lips and the "H" (hologram) symbol on his forehead.

To read:

 * ...who sometimes goes by Arnold Judas Rimmer...

Does anybody have a citation for his not being sometimes known as Arnold Jonathan Rimmer.

In episode "Justice" (3rd of 4th season) Kryten presents him at court as Arnold Judas Rimmer. There is canned laughter when he speaks the "Judas" part. I suspect that Kryten is playing here on the self loathing, suicidal personality of Rimmer (which is what gets him to prison in the penal colony on the first place); it is not his actual name, else there would have been no canned laughter either; we are to regard it as an in-context joke. Furthermore, Rimmer seems to disaprove of the name. Lucius Domitius 19:53, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

The Grim Reaper calls him Arnold Judas Rimmer in the last episode of the series, but he seems to do so in a rather matter of fact way; well, Red Dwarf is not about consistency, really. Lucius Domitius 23:58, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

 * In The Inquisitor, Lister tries to persuade Rimmer that he (Lister) knows him (Rimmer) by saying something like "Your middle name's Judas, but you tell everyone it's Jonathan". He is referred to as "Arnold J. Rimmer" all the time. So it's definitely his middle name, although he does disapprove of it (he disapproves of most of what his parents did to him, his name being no exception). Mendor 00:00, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Interesting remark; but the fact is that "Justice" predates the "Inquisitor" and is still the first mention of the name "Judas", as a joke according to all evidence. The idea might have occured to the creators to make it into Rimmer's real name after the "Justice" episode. Lucius Domitius 13:37, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The Series II episode "Better Than Life" predates both of these, where the Taxman clarifies his full name, a character created by Rimmer's twisted subconscious. Andymarczak 11:42, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

 * "it is not his actual name, else there would have been no canned laughter either". I don't follow this reasoning? Judas is an odd and therefore humorous name to have, and seems particularly apt for Rimmer, hence the laughter. Judas is his real name. 86.130.250.216 (talk) 09:40, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Article currently reads in part ''The creators of the series acknowledge that Rimmer's surname comes from a snobby prefect with whom they attended school. They claim, however, that only the boy's name was used, and not his personality because that would imply he had one.'' The claim is unsourced. I have been told that the name was a reference to rimming, but I have no source for that either. Andrewa (talk) 01:36, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

The Rimmer Experience
I was redirected here from The Rimmer Experience. This article has one sentence which almost discusses the experience section of the episode, but doesn't tell us anything about the experience. The page that was at "The Rimmer Experience" before it was deleted, has a large amount of, (if not usefull then interesting), information about this section of the episode. Is there any way of getting this page "undeleted", or at least merged into this page? JP Godfrey 21:52, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Have a read. Articles for deletion/The Rimmer Experience --Billpg 20:49, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I have. There was one vote for "Delete", one for "Keep or Merge" and four for "Merge" but in the end it was re-directed with "no content untrivial enough to be worth merging", so I have added it to the bottom of this article.  (It could probably use some re-writing and finding a better place for it in the article though.) JP Godfrey 22:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Drive Plates
Consequently, in Series 4 episode 3, "Justice", the story is rewritten on the fly and it is revealed that Rimmer's sense of responsibility for the disaster is due to his zealous egomania and that he could not possibly have been responsible for the the accident.

I don't think it was part of a rewrite.... I figured that Rimmer DID feel guilt about the accident because he WAS responsible, but Kryten was instead twisting the facts just to get Rimmer off the hook. I mean later in the episode Rimmer DID point out how Kryten twisted the facts in order to win... - Nick15

 * I thought, the whole point of that joke is that Kryten didn't have to "spin" anything to get Rimmer off. He was telling the truth.  Just shows how useless Rimmer was, (Before he became a hologram).   However, there was a flash-back when we saw Captain Hollister yelling at Rimmer, saying that it was his job to mend the drive plates.  Not sure which ep. it came from, but it might have been "Stasis Leak" from series 2. JP Godfrey 11:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I think I can be geeky enough to say that you are thinking of the flashback in Me squared. Andymarczak 08:43, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

There was also a scene in "Back in the Red" where the resurrected Rimmer goes thorugh the crew files and warns about how if some "total idiot" repaired the drive plate incorrectly, he could wipe out the crew.

76.189.99.150 07:36, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

 * This sounds like yet another case of the writers not actually caring about whether or not something alters continuity, leaving ambiguity as to whether or not it even does. In the books Rimmer clearly isn't responsible and as that's where the first mention of "Z-Shift" appears it's possible Grant Naylor were thinking of this. But in "Justice" Rimmer's initial reaction to it being pointed out he was responsible is "Oh that!" not "I didn't do it!", and there's also his later comments about Krten twisting the facts, suggesting that at the very least he consciously believes he mucked up, not that he was in overall responsibility.

 * Plus arguably Kryten's case is a very misleading portrayal of Rimmer's personality. Rimmer spends his entire life and death blaming others for his misfortunes (indeed in "The End" he blames the accident on Lister for getting sent to stasis and not being there to help him repair the drive plate) and feeling responsible for something he had no hand in at all would sit very oddly with this. Yes his subconscious contains a great deal of self-loathing and there could be an element of that in the guilt in his subconscious, but surely that would be directed at his lack of importance (and the self-inflicted nature of his lack of importance) - guilt that he wasn't in a position to prevent it or be responsible - rather than the over inflated sense of self-importance that Kryten talks about. Rimmer's self-importance has always based on what he thinks he can be (or would be if he'd had the breaks others got and the right parents and the right nobby background and the right room mate and knowledge that gazpacho soup is served cold etc...) and what meagre pieces he can scrape from what he is (e.g. the highest ranking remaining crewmember or even the importance that vending machines dispense the right products so that the crew are content) not on being responsible for errors. Timrollpickering 03:15, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

 * I just always thought that Kryten was proving that it was not Arnold's fault because he should of not been put into a position to do that sort of work in the first place. With everyone on board knowing what he was like. Thus making it the Captains responsibility. --MattyC3350 (talk) 05:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Tidy up
I've tidied up the page a bit and tried to put everything into a more logical and lucid structure, as previously it was going from his life to his personality to his death and then back again. I also removed the section about 'The Rimmer Experience', since it seemed unnecessary to devote so much space to a single joke about the character (and I'm not sure, but I don't think we're allowed to provide entire song-lyric quotes on Wikipedia, as was the case) when it could be summed up in a single sentence or paragraph - nevertheless, I've retained the text and provided it here, and am willing to be convinced that it could be important. Any comments are welcome.--Joseph Q Publique 15:07, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

 * The Rimmer Experience would be irritatingly obvious to everyone (both on-set, and off-set) who has seen it, and therefore only worth mentioning because of that. Reproducing the entire lyrics is an exercise in pedantry.

His middle name
Was in it Judas? In episodes Only the Good...--Brown Shoes22 03:58, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Rimmers sexual exploits
In the article it states that rimmer has only had sex with one woman (Yvonne Mcgruder) but in "Holoship" (series V)its shown (or at least heavily implied) that he had sex with Nirvanah Crane(the exact quote is something along the lines of "You make love like a chinese meal...")I'm not the best at editing articles and I didn't want to make such a huge change...so could someone whose more capable make the edit or explain to me why its not credited? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agent452 (talk • contribs) 21:37, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes but Nirvanah only came along after he was dead so isn't relevant to his life. Timrollpickering 22:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

"Who sometimes goes by Arnold Jonathan Rimmer"
I am a great fan of this show and A. J. Rimmer is my favourite character. Having say this I cannot remember a time in the series that he is refered to as "Arnold Jonathan Rimmer" All I can remember is him being called "Arnold J Rimmer, Arnold Judas Rimmer, A J Rimmer, or Smeghead. Maybe it should go, "Who sometimes goes by Smeg head, Smeg for Brains, Goalpost Head, Flared Nostrils.. ext" MattyC3350 (talk) 07:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Lister made a comment in "The Inquisitor" that Rimmer implies to people that his middle name is Jonathan. It's a one-off comment, hardly notable and shouldn't be mentioned. Nreive (talk) 08:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks for that :) I remember that one instance now. I agree I dont think it is really notable. Thanks :) MattyC3350 (talk) 10:16, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Father
I have deleted the following passage because I am a big Red Dwarf fan, but I have not seen anything in the show to suggest that there is any basis for this information. The only evidence that exists is his fathers suggestion that he "had an alibi for his sperm that night" but that is just along the lines of deriding things that a lot of disappointed fathers say about underachieving children "He's no Son of mine" etc etc...Also, he does bear an uncany resemblance to his Brother Frank in the episode "Timeslides" (because he is also played by Chris Barrie!). Anyway, this is the passage I removed until someone can provide any other evidence to support it. "There is evidence scattered throughout the series that Rimmer may have a different father than his brothers — specifically, that he may be the only one of the four Rimmer children to be the biological child of both Mr. and Mrs. Rimmer. He claimed that his father had an alibi for his sperm on the night of conception." magnius (talk) 09:16, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

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Main Image
Given the main image is of Rimmer on an alien Holoship, in a different uniform, with a different 'H' moniker on his forehead, it's perhaps not the best image to represent the article. Could we find a different one? 86.130.250.216 (talk) 09:38, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

FIRST OFFICER RIMMER
Why is Rimmer referred to as "First Officer Rimmer" in the season 7 episode, "Stoke me a Clipper?" In "Better Than Life", I'm assuming that the reference to Rimmer having actually passed a previous Astro-Navigation exam and thereby being promoted to Navigation Officer First Class, is discounted based on the fact that in the next scene an 'in-game' character appears and Lister exclaims, "We're still in the game!" So how can he be an officer? 60.240.5.113 (talk) 08:13, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen it but reading our article I would think it is linked to the alternative Rimmers that are part of the plot. Britmax (talk) 08:51, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

You're an article contributor for Red Dwarf but you haven't seen all the episodes? I would've only thought die hard fans would be motivated to edit these. In that episode, a memorial is held for the original Rimmer even though he does not die. However, Lister refers to him as "First Officer Rimmer." So it's not one of the alternative Rimmers. This one is certainly a mystery and probably one only Doug Naylor could answer.60.240.5.113 (talk) 15:36, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

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