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User talk:TShilo12/Archive 4

Bible verses
If you're still interested in putting your proposal at Bible verses, that vote is over so you might want to close it out and archive it. However, with -Ril- perhaps on the way out the issue might be dead. Christopher Parham (talk) 04:24, 2005 August 23 (UTC)

AP
"Antypolonyzm", by that name, is a construct of the political right in Poland.
 * I think you are right, but this kind of origin is very common for such terms - see for instance anti-Semitism. Nevertheless, it would be difficult to find a source which could support this claim (which I really regret). I can see you are strongly in favour of splitting this article into several smaller ones. Can you give an example of any other anti-xxx that is/was split/spread into such smaller articles? This could be a good start for discussing what objective criteria for taking this or another layout can be compiled. Alx-pl 07:26, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

I think you deserve this
Don't know quite how, but your intervention seems to have brought an outbreak of peace and common sense on Authentic Matthew. I just wish -Ril- had been willing to listen to your logic too. --Doc (?) 00:39, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I think so too!

 * — < T A L K JNDRLINE T A L K >

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2005/08/23/2003268821

http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=15769&intcategoryid=2

Talk:Holocaust denial
Hey, could you go over to Talk:Holocaust denial and answer the other editor's request for clarification at the end of the page? He seems to distrust me. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 19:21, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. (But I thought you were an admin, for some reason.) --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 19:47, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi. Thanks for asking me for your help...but yes, that's a developer issue.  I wish you luck and ask that you feel free to turn to me anytime. - Lucky 6.9 20:16, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I didn't much care to argue the rationale behind my removing that link, since the particular case was a moot point (Willmcw reverted my removal, and then he and several other people purged the article of any information solely gleaned from the denial site, and then removed the link themselves when it was no longer the source of any of the information in the article), and because the editor complaining didn't seem amenable to logical thinking. Thanks much for the assist! --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 01:02, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Just to let you know
I don't know if you want to weigh in on this one, but I think you would add value to the discussion: Category talk:Christian mythology and Category_talk:Christian_mythology/Proposed_compromises Grika 21:42, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Nablus
Hi - the pics still BADLY overlap the contents page on my set up here. Running Firefox on a 1024 * 768 set up. I'll read up on the pics tutorial before I try to fix it again. Sorry if my last (attempted) fix didn't work for you. Computing - never as easy as it sounds is it? 62.252.0.6 00:51, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm going to try moving the images around more extensively then. Give me a few minutes to try to come up with something that looks decent on my screen. They look fine in firefox on my compy, so I'm guessing it's a resolution issue... Tomer TALK 00:58, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * OK. I've done it.  Let me know if it still looks bad.  I left the panorama on top, and moved the image of the two mountains down to the Geography section.  This way the panorama is filling the white space to the right of the TOC, which is what I was trying to accomplish by moving the images around to begin with.  Tomer TALK  01:06, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Well done. 62.252.0.6 18:23, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Jewish texts
Hi Tomer: Someone has tried to create a new "Jewish texts" template and has been pasting it on related pages without any discussion. This is a serious matter and your input is needed ASAP. See Template talk:Jewish texts. Thank you. IZAK 05:22, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Placing users in danger
Tomer, FYI Wikipedia_talk:Blocking_policy SlimVirgin (talk) 06:11, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Reading the discussion, in my less than admirable insobriety, I commented. The discussion is appalling.  That the time of day is given to these morons is, itself, a legitimate ground for disparaging WP.  It's obscene, IMHO, and I think I expressed that view fairly well in my strongly-worded review on its talk page. I just hope Jimbo doesn't feel I've characterized him as "too negligent" that he sees fit, God-forbid, to ban me for speaking my mind.  I honestly think that this crap is preposterous, tho, and I think it besmirches his name that it exists on WP. :-\ Tomer TALK  06:50, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Racism in the interior ministry
That's interesting - maybe that has changed now since Shinui left the gov't. I remember one of the last times I was allowed out of Ben Gurion airport where the 'security' always pulls Palestinians aside into special search and interrogation rooms. The guy being searched next to me was (what I assumed) Ethiopian with a large Star of David necklace. I thought it odd that they would be searching a Jew, as it's usually only us who are pulled into these rooms, but then an Israeli friend of mine told me about some of the problems with racism against black Jews. It's also more interesting that a lot of Russians/CIS folks who are not Jewish managed to make Aliah. Anyway, as they say in the Jenin groceries, ma la'asot? Ramallite (talk) 21:44, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

שבת שלום, ותודה Ramallite (talk) 22:03, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

your objection to Palestinian Arabic
What exactly is it that you find hard to understand about the sentence in question? If it is the term "hamzated verbs", this is standard English usage to refer to verbs including the letter hamza. Granted, one is only likely to come across it if one reads about the Arabic language, but this article is about the Arabic language. Palmiro | Talk 19:03, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Since that wasn't your problem, I'm not sure what it was that made the sentence difficult foryou to grasp. I have rephrased it: does that help? Palmiro | Talk 19:05, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh. It's simply an example of the phenomenon described. اكل (akala, eat) is a hamzated verb; in fusha the imperfect is آكل; in Palestinian Arabic the imperfect is pronounced, roughly speaking, "bokel". Palmiro | Talk 19:09, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

The 'b' is an imperfect marker in most spoken Arabic dialects in the Mashriq. Classical Arabic has different endings for the indicative, subjunctive and jussive imperfect. These endings don't exist in spoken Arabic dialects, so in these dialects there are some markers that distinguish time, while the unmarked form is only used in contexts equivalent to the subjunctive, e.g. after other verbs or verbal particles. Here in Syria, for example, the general imperfect marker is 'b', the 'right now' imperfect roughly equivalent to the English progressive present is '3am', and the future marker is 'ra7' or just '7' (excuse the numbers, 3 is 3ain and 7 is haa', I don;t have unicode close at hand). I couldn't swear to how exactly it works in Palestinian Arabic but the system is certainly similar. Palmiro | Talk 19:16, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Feel free to make it say that then ;) - I urgently need to go to a retaurant to meet my friends who may not be too impressed if my excuse for being late is being caught up in an internet discussion about hamzated verbs... Palmiro | Talk 19:19, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Serves you right :-p ! All I can think of at the moment is getting home and trying to sleep in the hopes that my angry stomach will over time calm down. Whoever invented araq was an agent of Satan. Palmiro | Talk 08:31, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

 * A few drops of water, and it magically becomes soothing milk! El_C 08:36, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Ya rait... Anyway, I have had another go at this, but decline to be held responsible for anything done in my current condition. By the way, I note that you have used the IPA notation for English "sh" in one place in the article and a common Eastern European version in another. I can't fix this as I don't have these symbols on the computer I'm using: could you maybe stick the IPA form in at the second point as well? Palmiro | Talk 08:57, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

 * jumlatain, two sentences. Since I'm not erudite enough to be able to respond in Portuguese.... Palmiro | Talk 19:17, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Category talk:Ashkenazi Jews
Hi Tomer: Do you think it's reasonable to "categorize" all the Ashkenazi Jews etc. on Wikipedia? See Category talk:Ashkenazi Jews. Thanks. IZAK 05:39, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

page invitation
This time I invited IZAK to a page I've done a bit of work on (Upsherin). Maybe, then, he'll stop following me around :)

Please, come give your edits to the page. I think the History part is lacking, and that I might not have been as egalitarian as I could've (genders and sects).

— < T A L K JNDRLINE T A L K >

Jew/Judaism
"Use of the Psalms in Jewish ritual - Jewish person -> Jew. After all, a Jewish person is a Jew... :-p"

Sorry, been on edge since the Jewish texts thing. I've seen a couple of times where Jewish would be linked to either Jew or Judaism and someone would come along and change it to the other one. I was being a little too guarded in this case :D

— < T A L K JNDRLINE T A L K >

Esquilax vfd
Pages for deletion/Esquilax may not exist but Votes for deletion/Esquilax certainly does. Morwen - Talk 08:21, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Note that the result was delete. I'm not sure if the re-creation is speedyable, but it might be (but it has different content).  Morwen - Talk 08:25, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Geo template
I love your new map in the flag colours at uganda-geo-stub. Cheers! TreveXtalk 09:33, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

The Nazi Connection to Islamic Terrorism
BYT put my article on this informative book up for VfD, I'd be honored if you'd take a look at the article and its VfD. Thanks. User:Klonimus/AINB Klonimus 07:43, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Your comments on WP:AN/I
Tomer, while I can understand your frustration with some of Witkacy's behaviour, your comments on the administrator's noticeboard are inappropriate.

I would encourage you to rephrase or remove them, lest someone inadvertently draw the mistaken conclusion that you're attempting to bait Witkacy into some sort of personal conflict or inadvisable action. Your remarks are stretching the limits of Wikipedia's policy on civility, and brush the border of our policy on personal attacks. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 12:29, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 12:40, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Gdańsk
I already know how Witkacy conducts himself and I'm not happy about it. As far as Gdańsk is concerned, the city was under the rule of Polish kings in the period of time so the name of the place should be Gdańsk not Danzig. It seems that in the vote you mentioned the argument that it was mostly populated by Germans prevailed, but this argument is in contradiction with the historical reality as until the end of 18th century there were practically no nation-states. Alx-pl D  13:02, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

As you see I don't agree with the policy (similarly as Witkacy does), but despite of that I allowed myself to defend (unlike him) its current formulation Talk:Georg Forster. Alx-pl D  14:12, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, I think one must fight with compromises that are against the reason. And of course, this can be only done by collecting arguments and educating people about them. It takes a long time though :-( and people are impatient. Me too, but I prefer to exercise my patience and see people get educated. Alx-pl D  21:48, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah
I'm reasonably sure i broke that WP:POINT there, or something.. still.. once someone laughed. --Irishpunktom\talk 13:14, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

User categorization
Greetings, TShilo12! Please accept this message as an invitation to categorize your user page in the category Category:Wikipedians in Wisconsin and removing your name from the Wikipedians/Wisconsin page. The page will be removed when all users have been removed. Even if you do not wish to be placed in a category, could you take a moment to remove your name from the Wikipedians/Wisconsin page? Thanks!!

For more information, please see User categorisation and Category:Wikipedians by location. -- Roby Wayne  Talk •  Hist 04:09, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your help in continuing the cleanup of Wikipedians/Wisconsin. It's sloooow going so far.   Roby Wayne  Talk •  Hist 23:00, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Smilies
Oh good! Thanks for letting me know. Except now I can't remember what to write! SlimVirgin (talk) 06:31, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

rwl.gif
So it seems. It wasn't I who uploaded it and it wasn't I who deleted it, but when it was alive, it looked like this. --Salleman 13:48, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Edom
Thought you might be interested; I've done a major revision of the article Edom, including the latest research. --Briangotts (talk) 16:57, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Christian mythology
There is a proposal currently being discussed at Category talk:Christian mythology/Proposed compromises. Your input would be appreciated. Thanks. JHCC (talk) 20:26, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Farallon Islands
Thanks for your edits to the article, particularly the island/islands muddle I got myself into without even noticing. If I may offer a defence, even though I know they are islands, those that work on or with them tend to refer to them as "The Island". As for ''Objection, your Honor: unsourced idle speculation! It appears the sole purpose of this sentence is to include a link to the Cabrillo article! my source was the same source as whole article, the excellent The Farallon Islands, Sentinels of the Golden Gate'', by Peter White. I guess, given the fog in the area, that you could sail past them without seeing them, though. Sabine's Sunbird 14:59, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
 * No worries about the spelling, I was raised in both the US education system and the British one, and in the resulting confusion tend to mix the two freely (while leaning towards the Commonwealth spellings). It makes sense to use US spellings for a US island chain. I think your suggested line is pretty good, and I'll check the spelling of Sebastián Vizcaíno, I think you're right. I might create a redirect using the un-àćčëňťéď spelling too! :PSabine's Sunbird 21:59, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
 * You might also want to squeeze in a note about how "farallón" means essentially just "rock" (as in the islet kind of rock), in Spanish. Good idea. I'll try and grab that book and do it tomorrow. I guess the place to mention it is after Drake's name for the place. Sabine's Sunbird 04:02, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Kazan et al
I received the following query from a Tatar editor with whom I've worked on some articles:

 * Hi! Could you start a stub Hebrew edition of Kazan and Tatars articles. Some my friends are studing Hebrew, but thel level of knowlege isn't advanced as well... Please, note, that Semitic 'q' should be used in word 'Qazan'! Thank you, --User:Untifler 13:08, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

I'd like to help him out but I don't have a Hebrew-typing program and I don't have the knowledge of Unicode necessary to do this efficiently; in any case my knowledge of day-to-day conversational Hebrew will probably not help much in a scholarly encyclopedia piece. Would you be interested in helping out and/or do you know anyone who would be interested? --Briangotts (talk) 20:28, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Jewish categories
Hi I noted your input in the Jewish lists so hopefully this will interest you. I started making a few new categories: Category:Jews in music, Category:Jews in science, and Category:Jews in the visual arts, however User:Lulu_of_the_Lotus-Eaters has nominated all these for renaming due to his aversion to the phrase "Jews in". The reason I created the Jews in music category was because I knew Category:Jewish musicians and Category:Jewish music existed but mainly covered yiddish/religious music. I have persuaded Lulu to change the name of the current category to Jewish classical musicians (as this basically covers the people I had added to it) but I still feel a category such as Category:Jews in western music needs to be the parent category of all classical, pop, jazz, rock, musical sub categories to avoid confusion with yiddish music, Klezmer etc. I would appreciate your views on this here Talk:List_of_Jews Arnie587 23:21, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

שלום
ראיתי את מעשיך בערך הוד השרון, ותיקנתי את התעתיקים, רציתי לדעת עם אכן תרגמת חלק מהערך בעברי של הוד השרון. כדי ליצור איתי קשר חוץ מדף שיחה זה אתה מוזמן להיכנס לויקי העברית, כינויי שם הוא H2O. תודה

An Arbitrary Observation
I think I'm going insane. I base this observation on the fact that I am writing to you to point out that I think I'm going insane. Surely no more proof is required? But conversely, although the possibilty exists that I am insane, all other indications would seem to suggest that I am not, in fact, conkers, which throws the whole argument into disarray.-- Xiph o  n  14:19, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Admin
On a more sane note ...(cough)..Xiphon. So many edits, so many new articles. Yet not an admin! Have ever been nominated? Or perhaps you are an admin and havnt told anybody? Ban e  s  17:33, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Khazars
Shana Tova!

If it's not someone insisting that the Khazars are ancestors of all Ashkenazim, it's someone insisting against all evidence that no Khazars were ever Jewish. I could use your help dealing with this fellow. See and. --Briangotts (talk) 15:05, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Apartheid outside South Africa
Saw your notes on this article...agree with the 'etiquette' word being inappropriate, have manded to legislation.

On the issue of the laws about intermarriage, this was in fact true in many southern US states right up until the 1960s. Refer to the site for specific laws in each state.

As for the Western examples of genocide or apartheid, I think the European's treatment of Indigenous Australians can be characterised as both. In fact, a National Inquiry found that the separation of children from the families did constitute genocide (intention to destroy a group of people).

Patrick Lucey
I added a sentence about Governor Lucey graduating from Campion Jesuit High School in Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin in 1935. You may want to see my comments at the Pat Lucey article. Also I added 2 external links of 2 Campion Jesuit High School websites to the Leo Ryan article. And I helped locate some additional links for the Archbishop Raymond Leo Burke article. Thank you- Richard Dungar-

Categ:Jewish diaspora, vfd
Hi Tomer, Category:Jewish diaspora has been nominated for deletion. See Categories for deletion/Log/2005 October 16. IZAK 04:30, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Re:RE:Admin
Final school exams are not that great, time consumtion and such. The stress gets to me sometimes, but I survive. I really do appreciate your concern, thanks a lot! I pop in here often to check out my talk page and so on, so, its not sooo bad. Anyway, back to the point, right now sure is rather busy for me, and you. Therefore I think I will nominate you sometime early December, when we are both active. If thats fine by you. Good luck with the lady!  Ban e  s  05:40, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Logs
Tomer, have you ever found logarithms useful? I mean, have you ever sat down with a chilled beer in one hand, a lass in the other, and been thankful that you know all the log laws? I need to know whether I should take them seriously in my upcoming exam, or just pass them off as another thing one should memorise and then forget forever.-- Xiph o  n  16:31, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Commit Message
What's up with your commit message on Air Florida Flight 90? The bracketed portion has no place in Wikipedia. Mcpusc 09:22, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

 * What's there to get? Your posting of a commit message that invites readers to feel sorry for you? That's out of place in any professional situation. Whether WP is a professional situation is, of course, up for discussion. I consider it as such, you apparently don't. Mcpusc 08:09, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Requests for comment/FuelWagon 2
Hi, Tomer. You endorsed my outside view of FW's actions, and commented that you found the fact that FW himself also endorsed it somewhat encouraging. I don't know if you noticed I responded to that point? I posted my more cynical view of FW's endorsement under your vote, but have now moved it to talk, here it is. Best, --Bishonen | talk 09:16, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Ammon (nation)
I've made substantial revisions to this article, adding a lot of material from Jewish Encyclopedia and elsewhere. It still needs a lot of work and I will add more archaeological stuff when I have time. Thought you might be interested though. --Briangotts (talk) 19:51, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Naming conventions for articles on Jews
As there is a great deal of inconsistency in the naming of articles about Jews, I have proposed that they be made consistent. I'd appreciate it if you could commment on this here: Template_talk:Jew. Thanks. Jayjg (talk) 07:56, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

New articles
I've started a few articles I thought you might have an interest in. Right now they are largely pastes from the Jewish Encyclopedia, but I've wikified them and made some edits. I plan to do more in the future but I'd be glad for any help you choose to give:

 * Talmudic Academies in Babylonia
 * Nehardea
 * Dosetai
 * Anilai and Asinai

Briangotts (talk) 19:41, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Ezekiel 38-39 War
Hi Tomer: What do you make of this Ezekiel 38-39 War ??? IZAK 15:28, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Template:Mormon_jew
Looking at a new article called Groups Exiled from Judaism, and not quite sure what to make of it, I was shocked to see that the well-used Template:Jews and Judaism sidebar has now been "taken-over" by a pro-Mormon user and a new similar-looking Template:Mormon_jew is now being utilised. This Mormon template plagiarises and makes confusing use of the original Template:Jews and Judaism sidebar. The Mormon template must be radically changed ASAP. Your attention is needed. Perhaps we should follow official channels too. Thank you. IZAK 16:40, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Theory of Pashtun descent from Israelites
You put a cleanup tag on Theory of Pashtun descent from Israelites, but didn't indicate what you see as the problems. Could you make some remarks on the talk page? -- Jmabel | Talk 06:05, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Please look at question 5 & 6
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Ramallite Zeq 19:17, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Mizrahi Jews
Tomer, would you mind taking a look at Talk:Mizrahi Jews and commenting on the "Origins", "Originate" issue here: ? Thanks. Jayjg (talk) 22:07, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
מוצ'אס גראסיאס, אמיגו!! I wanted to thank you for your kind support of my RfA and for responding to some of the opposed votes on my behalf. I haven't seen much of you around lately and hope you're doing well! Thanks again, I really appreciate it! Ramallite (talk) 03:57, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Hebrew naming conventions
Urgent: see Naming conventions (Hebrew) to add your opinions about this important matter. Thank you. IZAK 17:33, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Blatherskyte
Looks like the problem got solved before I arrived. Thanks for letting me know about it. Jayjg (talk) 17:47, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Yea ditto what Jayig said.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg 07:50, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Actually, do you think we should add anything about Jordan's motives for the invasion?- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg (talk) 07:53, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Yeah sorry I kinda suck at staying focused on one article. Do you know of any reputable sources that describe the Jordanian Motives in detail?- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 07:56, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: bleh
Agreed, it's not worth fighting over. I'm more concerned about consistancy than one style of linking or the other... If some links in the article are formatted that way, they all should be. -- uberpenguin 00:33, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Apartheid
Thanks for your help so far on the Apartheid outside South Africa article! Vvuppala 08:32, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, User:Vvuppala has decided to use the Apartheid outside South Africa article as a forum for promoting of his own (highly one-sided) POV, and put that in place of properly sourced references. Jayjg (talk) 18:22, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

my RfA
I replied to your comments at my RfA. I would be very glad if you read the clarification and sent me a link to the questions you still consider unsolved, since I can't find them in my talk page's history, nor in the history of BB's talk. Halibutt 01:31, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Take your time, the RfA ends tomorrow morning so your reply would most probably come late anyway. But still, I would like to know the links I asked you about, just out of curiosity. Halibutt 14:39, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Eventhough you accused me wrongly and didn't have time to check your accusations or reply to my comments, I would like to thank you for at least taking part in the voting. I would like to express my thanks to all the people who took part in my (failed) RfA voting. I was both surprised and delighted about the amount of support votes and all the kind words! I was also surprised by the amount of people who stated clearly that they do care, be it by voting in for or against my candidacy. That's what Wiki community is about and I'm really pleased to see that it works. As my RfA voting failed with 71% support, I don't plan to reapply for adminship any more. However, I hope I might still be of some help to the community. Cheers! Halibutt 05:10, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I did reply to your comments. Perhaps you just didn't see my replies.  Please check your Talk page more carefully.  Tom e rTALK 06:57, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

 * If you really want to know...
 * You accused me that I did nothing to address the concerns raised by those besmirched therein, while it was completely false (as can be seen at Nohat's talk page, for instance)
 * You accused me of being brainwashed, along with all other Polish contributors, at the anti-Polonism RfD. Your racist remark (in fact it was a suggestion that Poles as a whole contribute to Wikipedia mostly to push their false agendas), was really offensive and I doubt you would be happy if I copied your whole comment, simply changing Poles to Jews and Anti-Polonism to Anti-Semitism. Indeed, you later retracted that remark, yet claiming that it was a sign of sympathy (as you did in my RfA) is a bit over the top for me.
 * You called the whole Black Book a smear campaign or User:Halibutt, eventhough it was neither a smear campaign, nor was it mine.
 * Also, when I asked for clarification of your stance, you explained that you hold me responsible for the actions of... another user (namely User:Witkacy). While this is not offensive as such, it is not fair. Equally, I could oppose your candidacy for the very same reason...
 * You've offended Nohat, who had moved the page to my user space, by calling his action a dispicable but sneaky way to remove the glaring eye of criticism while maintaining this little trollish trove of animosity for users who have fallen out of grace with Polish wikipedians
 * Calling Witkacy a troll in the very same comment left at my talk page was not friendly either, same for calling me a liar or incompetent person.
 * Finally, you continued to hold me responsible for the actions of Witkacy even after we clarified every single thing on your talk page and you admitted at my talk page that it was not my fault.
 * Does it explain my falsely accused remark? Halibutt 08:30, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Peter Ustinov (Jaffa)
Hi Tomer: A one-time anonymous user created something that seems silly: Peter Ustinov (Jaffa). I doubt this stub is true. Take a look. Thanks. IZAK 03:36, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, someone verified it. Seems it's true. IZAK 03:44, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Are you Ready?
Hi there TShilo12, how are things? I was wondering if you would still be interested in becoming an administrator? If the answer is "yes" then I would be honored to nominate you anytime you please. Cheers  Ban e  s  12:03, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
 * if you need any more "gentle persuading", then I think Banes is right - it's about time :) Grutness...wha?  12:21, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Ditto here. --Briangotts 15:25, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Neofascism and religion
Hi Tomer: Are you aware of this abomination: Neofascism and religion? What's your opinion? I have tried to add some "rational info" for whatever it's worth. Take a look. Maybe the whole article should be nominated for deletion? IZAK 11:35, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Category:Kabbalah followers
Hi Tomer: I have nominated the outlandich category of Category:Kabbalah followers for deletion, see the reasoning and please vote at Categories for deletion/Log/2005 November 24. Thanks IZAK 10:48, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

You will, alas, need to read this
Please take a stand against hate on WP. BrandonYusufToropov 12:34, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Deleting frivolous Jewish categories
Hi Tomer: Kindly take a look at Categories for deletion/Log/2005 November 25. This area needs some cut-backs again. IZAK 03:42, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Jewish categories
I would be grateful if you could reconsider your vote on these as the previous vote was only on categories which link Jewishness by country not by occupation. The vote did not deal with any categories such as Jewish philosophers or Jewish classical musicians, therefore to claim there was a consensus to delete these previously is misleading. I really do not see how these two categories are at all frivolous. However, I do agree that Category:Jewish baseball players is too specific, and Category:Jewish American actors is unworkable as people may identify as Jewish as well as quite a few other ethnicities so could end up in multiple variations of these nationality-ethnicity-occupation categories. Categories_for_deletion Regards Arniep 15:27, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Zyxst
I just wanted to let you know that, at Votes for deletion/Pandeism, I didn't make up the word "zyxst". See the Oxford English Dictionary:
 * Zyxst
 * obs.f. "Sixth"
 * Example from 1423: "in Rep. Hist. MSS. Comm. Var. Coll. IV. 83 The {ygh}ere of Kyng Harry the zyxst the furste."

— BRIAN 0918 • 2005-11-26 04:12

Puka-Pukan language
Hi. I noticed you created the article on the Puka-Pukan language. Would you be able to tell me where its Ethnologue profile is? I can't seem to find it. Thanks. --Hottentot 02:59, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
 * (copying this here to help remind myself...)
 * Greets. I didn't create it based on anything from Ethnologue where, like you, I don't see any mention of it.  Gimme a few weeks (I've gotta worry more about finishing school than about sourcing stubs...) and I'll dig up some sources.  I believe I got the information from either a Bernice Pauahi Bishop Museum bulletin or from Current Trends in Linguistics, although it could have even come from Franz Bopp's 1840 work (which is incredibly difficult to get ahold of because the consensus, including in our WP article, is that his conclusions in that work were "wrong", so nobody bothers to study or reprint it), or possibly  Linus Brunner's (amazongoogle) somewhat similar work.  Tom e rTALK 17:41, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Note also, this page distinguishes Pukapukan from Tuamotuan (although if you follow the bread crumbs, it ends up linking to the wrong Pukapukan page on ethnologue)...[[Image:Tongue.png]] (more google ideas) Tom e rTALK 18:01, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Bhili language
It was intentional, because at the time I removed the Ethnologue link from the "external links" section, an Ethnologue link was built into the language infobox template. Then they changed the language infobox template so it no longer has a link to Ethnologue. And I was too lazy to go through and add the Ethnologue links back to all the pages I removed it from. Feel free to do so. --Angr (t·c) 20:52, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Nope. That's why I didn't do it! :p --Angr (t·c) 20:55, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Hmong American
Hiya. Response left on Talk: Hmong American. Thanks. Janet13 22:00, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Dispute on Reform Judaism article
We seem to have a problem with the set of articles on Reform Judaism. Did you know that Reform Jews accept Jewish law and tradition as binding and normative, much like Orthodox Jews do? Neither did I, probably because such a claim is patently false. Did you know that Halakha is not Jewish law, and the customs of other groups, like the Samaritans and Karaites is "Jewish law", and that the practice of Reform Jews is also "Jewish law"? Therefore - by this linguistic trick - one is forced to claim that Reform Jews are observant of Jewish law! This kind of linguistic trickery is propaganda, and not worthy of an encyclopedia entry which tries to openly and honestly describe what people believe and practice.

I am afraid that a couple of otherwise well-meaning contributors have fallen for this misleading wordplay. In fact, most Reform rabbis throghly agree with me. Most Reform rabbis that I have spoken to explicitly admit that Reform teaches that Jewish law and tradition (i.e. halakha) is not normative (to be taken upon yourself as binding) - and most admit that Reform Judaism actively discourages certain elements of halakha.

For some time it has been a settled useage on Wikipedia that (a) halakha is often usefully translated as "Jewish law and tradition", or something like that, (b) the practice of Karaites and Samaritans is not usefully or accurately described as "Jewish law"; they are quite different groups! and (c) Reform Judaism does not accept that halakha is normative. Yet in the last few weeks two Reform apologists have begun rewriting these basic facts to make Reform look as traditional as Orthodox, which is both a diservice to actual Reform Judaism and to Orthodox Judaism. It also will confuse and mislead the vast majority of people who read our articles. Please take a look at the discussion. 00:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

List of High Priests of Israel
Hi Tomer: What do you make of the characters on List of High Priests of Israel, especially the latter-names, they don't sound Jewish to me at all. IZAK 08:57, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

"Convert" - "Revert"
Your edit summery at Shavei Israel; ... Al-Andalus, "revert" does not mean "convert back to". I never said it meant that. I was using the word "revert" with the same value as you used "return". Either word is fine, so I'm not stressing. Al-Andalus 11:49, 29 November 2005 (UTC).

Thanks
Many thanks, Tomer, I needed that. FeloniousMonk 17:04, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Sabra and Shatilla
Thanks for the note - both individuals are Norwegian diplomats (or were, since Ane-Karine Arvesen has died), and both had visited the camps and provided first-hand accounts. However, when I googled it, I found a reference that Gunnar Flakstad (the latest insertion) had indeed witnessed bodies being piled up with a bulldozer. In short, both names make sense in the article, but why one was substituted for the other I have no idea. Maybe its because the anon knew that the former is dead and wanted another person's name in that sentence. It is weird, but not factually incorrect, evidently. Thanks again. Ramallite (talk) 04:24, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

The RFA
Howdy. I was on holiday so I only just got your message. Pick a time! (Bearing in mind I am UTC+2 so 00:00 UTC is not exactly ideal.) Cheers  Ban e  s  15:32, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Kike
Sorry, I just figured that whatever changes you decided on, "many kikes call themselves kikes" would not be in your final offering! :-) Babajobu 16:35, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Signature suggestion
Hi, Tomer; I came across your signature again at Talk:Lincoln after the complaint about how Abraham Lincoln isn't featured prominently enough. (You'll see my response there.) I thought I'd give you this snippet, which will make your "talk" link not be too tall for the paragraph's line height: Tom e rtalk. Just a thought; let me know if you have any questions! — HorsePunchKid →龜 2005-12-04 05:46:29Z

 * The tiniest of mistakes: It looks like the : after "small-caps" got turned into a ; instead. — HorsePunchKid →龜 2005-12-04 06:00:06Z   (Sorry, that was just wrong; let me look at this again...)

 * Here's another try, though I honestly cannot see any reason that the previous version wouldn't have worked: Tome rtalk . Hopefully the HTML Tidy code won't reject that. Sorry for the confusion. — HorsePunchKid →龜  2005-12-04 06:11:15Z

Re:Northern Territory
No prob :). All the different Australian states/territories have separate stubs now, BTW. Grutness...wha?  07:39, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Category:Cities with significant Arab Israeli populations
Hi Tomer: Please see the Vote for Deletion (vfd) for Categories for deletion/Log/2005 December 4. Thank you. IZAK 12:02, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

It is done
See Requests for adminship/TShilo12. Good luck!  Ban e  s  13:46, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh, I just saw your message in my archive, do you want to call it off for a few days or something? It hasnt been added to the main rfa page yet.  Ban e  s  15:58, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

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Breakfast cereal
I randomly stumbed upon this article, and since breakfast cereal plays such an essential part in my life (and the lives of countless others), I figured it'd be cool to bring this up to FAC quality. I already added a history section; any other suggestions? I'm at a loss of what to do next. The PNM 04:12, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Consider renaming to "American cold breakfast cereal". Very U.S. POV, no mention of muesli, for example. Exclusion of hot breakfast cereals seems odd. Rmhermen 16:49, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

 * Strikes me that this would make a good WP:COTW or WP:AID. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:23, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Nitpicking but the text under the image reads a bit goofily... I tend to prefer a quotation out of the text, ie, Breakfast cereals have their root in the temperance movement in the United States in the last quarter of the nineteenth century. Bit of POV in there too. --PopUpPirate 23:09, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

 * I added the for template WikiProject Countering systemic bias Seano1 00:37, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I would expect a section about the types or categories of breakfast cereal: wheat-based, rice-based, corn, bran, etc. A description of how different kinds are made and packaged, maybe? It needs a lot more information but this could turn into a really interesting article. --Yodakii 09:19:04, 2005-09-07 (UTC)

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Image Tagging Image:Locsaint.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Locsaint.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then there needs to be an argument why we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then it needs to be specified where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then one should be added. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the GFDL-self tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, consider reading fair use, and then use a tag such as or one of the other tags listed at Image copyright tags. See Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other media, consider checking that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Angr (talk • contribs) 18:18, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

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Tertiary Entrance Rank

The Tertiary Entrance Rank (TER) was a tertiary entrance score used in several Australian states, the ACT and the Northern Territory as a tool for selection to universities in Australia. As of 2010, it has been replaced by the Australian Tertiary Admission Rank in all states and territories (including Queensland as of 2020).

Usage
All states in Australia used some form of TER in the 1970s onwards, based upon an aggregated scaling procedure that differed in each jurisdiction. Prior to this, admission to university was based upon a pass/fail criterion for school leavers. The TER was used by university institutions until 2000, where it was replaced by a similar ranking scheme known as the UAI.

Equivalence
The TER was used in Victoria (1994-1998), South Australia, the Northern Territory, Tasmania Western Australia and the Australian Capital Territory. Although directly equivalent to the Equivalent National Tertiary Entrance Rank (ENTER) in Victoria, and the Universities Admission Index (UAI) in New South Wales and later adopted in the Australian Capital Territory, the terms ENTER and UAI were only used in their respective states or territories.

Calculation of the TER in South Australia and the Northern Territory
The TER was accumulated by the South Australian Tertiary Admissions Centre (SATAC) for students who successfully completed the South Australian Certificate of Education (SACE) or the Northern Territory Certificate of Education (NTCE) and fulfilled other criteria to qualify for a TER.

In South Australia, students' subject achievement scores (out of 20) were forwarded to SATAC by the Senior Secondary Assessment Board of South Australia (SSABSA), whereupon they were scaled (adjusted according to the level of performance in the group of students studying the subject in that year to ensure that each subject contributes equally to the TER).

The university aggregate was then calculated by adding:
 * the scaled scores for the best four subjects,
 * 50% of the scaled score for the next best (fifth) subject.

The university aggregates (out of 90) were ordered from lowest to highest, and the TER was assigned as a percentage rank (in steps of 0.05, ranging from 0.00 to 99.95) according to the student's position on that list.

The process was the same for secondary students in the Northern Territory, except results were forwarded to SATAC by the Northern Territory Board of Studies.

Calculation of the TER in Tasmania
The TER was calculated by the Tasmanian Qualifications Authority for students who successfully completed the Tasmanian Certificate of Education (TCE) and fulfilled other criteria to qualify for a TER.

The tertiary entrance aggregate was calculated as the sum of the best five Level 5 TCE subject scores, of which a maximum of two could be selected from Year 11.

As in other TER systems, the aggregates were ranked in order and assigned a TER based on their position.

Calculation of the TER in Western Australia
The TER was calculated by the Tertiary Institutions Service Centre (TISC) for students who successfully completed the Western Australian Certificate of Education (WACE) and fulfilled other criteria to qualify for a TER.

As the WACE qualification was being revised for from 2005 to 2009, the process for calculating the TER for WA students was changed for tertiary entry in 2009. In 2008, a Tertiary Entrance Aggregate (TEA) was calculated using the sum of the four highest Course of Study Levels of Achievement.

As in other TER systems, the TEAs were ranked in order and assigned a ranking based on their position.

Calculation of the TER in the Australian Capital Territory
Calculation of the ACT TER is detailed in this 1992 ACT Board of Senior Secondary Studies information booklet.

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Lady Frieda Harris

Marguerite Frieda, Lady Harris (née Bloxam, 13 August 1877, London, England — 11 May 1962, Srinagar, India), referred to, by her own insistence, as Lady Frieda Harris, was an English artist and, in later life, an associate of the occultist Aleister Crowley. She is best known for her design of Crowley's Thoth tarot deck.

Family
Frieda Bloxam was a daughter of surgeon John Astley Bloxam, F.R.C.S. (1843 - 1926) and Jessie Findlay Bloxam nee Porter (1851 - 1926). She married Percy Harris in April 1901. Percy Harris served as a Liberal Party MP 1916-1918 and 1922–1945, and was Chief Whip for his party. After her husband was created a baronet in 1932 she was entitled to style herself Lady Harris but preferred to use Lady Frieda Harris.

Frieda and Percy Harris had two sons: Jack (born 1906, later Sir Jack Harris) and Thomas (born 1908).

Introduction to Crowley
Aleister Crowley had asked playwright and author Clifford Bax to help him find an artist for a Tarot project. On 9 June 1937 Bax invited Frieda Harris after two artists did not show up for an appointment. She was then aged 60.

As well as reading books by Crowley, Harris' study of Rudolf Steiner's Anthroposophy was to be a critical aspect in the creation of the Thoth deck. Crowley's friend Greta Valentine, a London socialite, also knew Harris. Harris and Crowley did much of their work on the Thoth tarot deck at Valentine's house in Hyde Park Crescent, London.

In 1937 Harris began taking lessons in projective synthetic geometry, based upon the ideas of Goethe as reflected in the teachings of Steiner, from Olive Whicher and George Adams.

John Symonds writes:

"[Crowley] helped her through the portals of the mystical Order of the A∴A∴ (Argenteum Astrum) She took the name of Tzaba "Hosts", which adds up to 93, the number of the Thelemic current which she was trying to tap."

According to Crowley's unpublished Society of Hidden Masters, on 11 May 1938, Lady Harris became his "disciple" and also became a member of Ordo Templi Orientis, entering directly to the IV° (Fourth Degree) of that Order due to her previous initiation into Co-Masonry.

Crowley also began to teach her divination — she had a choice of discipline and opted for the I Ching.

Harris visits Crowley
The author William Holt in his autobiography describes how he accompanied Harris to Crowley's lodgings at 93 Jermyn Street, Piccadilly. While Harris drew some charcoal sketches, there was a discussion on The Book of Thoth that Crowley was writing.

Creating the Thoth Tarot
By Crowley's own admission, the deck was originally intended to be traditional but Harris encouraged him to commit his occult, magical, spiritual and scientific views to the project.

Harris sent Crowley a regular stipend throughout the project. She also used her society contacts to find financial backers for the exhibition of the paintings, the catalogues, and for the publication of the Tarot deck. The pressure may have taken its toll on Harris and Crowley was sufficiently concerned to call in the lawyers to protect his 66% investment in the project. Crowley gives Harris praise in the introduction to the Book of Thoth:

"She devoted her genius to the Work. With incredible rapidity she picked up the rhythm, and with inexhaustible patience submitted to the correction of the fanatical slave-driver that she had invoked, often painting the same card as many as eight times until it measured up to his Vanadium Steel yardstick!"

Throughout the project she insisted on her own anonymity but she revelled in working for such a notorious man. The Book of Thoth was published in 1944 in a 200 copy limited edition, but neither Crowley or Harris lived to see the deck itself printed.

Crowley's last days
The surviving letters between Frieda Harris and Crowley show the level of their devotion to each other. On 29 May 1942 Crowley wrote to Pearson, the photoengraver of the Thoth deck:

"I should like to emphasise that I am absolutely devoted to Lady Harris, and have the evidence of countless acts of kindness on her part, indicating that her feelings toward me are similar."

There is a break in the Harris - Crowley letters after the exhibition in July 1942 but she was in close contact with him, particularly towards the end of his life, and visited him frequently. A pencil sketch she made of Crowley on his deathbed survives.

After Crowley's death she wrote to Frederic Mellinger, an O.T.O. member in Germany, on 7 December 1947:

"He was well taken care of. I made him have a nurse about 3 months ago as he was dirty & neglected & he had Watson who was most devoted & the Symonds were as nice as they knew how to be. At the last Mrs. McAlpine & the boy were there. I saw him the day he died, but he did not recognize me. I think Mrs. McAlpine was with him but she says there was no struggle, just stopped breathing. I shall miss him terribly. An irreplaceable loss."

Frieda Harris and Louis Wilkinson were the executors of Crowley's will. She also corresponded with Gerald Gardner and Karl Germer, Crowley's successor as head of O.T.O., in an attempt to assist with the Order's structure in Europe, which had been thrown into some confusion after Crowley's death.

Later life
After her husband's death in 1952, she moved to India. She died in Srinagar on 11 May 1962. She bequeathed the original paintings of her Tarot cards to fellow Thelemite Gerald Yorke, who in turned placed them with the Warburg Institute along with much other Crowley material that he had collected over the years. However, Yorke retained several alternative versions of the cards and some preliminary studies which he later sold through bookdealer Harold Mortlake.

Her legacy can be found in a later reprinting of The Book of Thoth:

"May the passionate "love under will" which she has stored in this Treasury of Truth and Beauty flow forth from the Splendour and Strength of her work to enlighten the world; may this Tarot serve as a chart for the bold seamen of the New Aeon, to guide them across the Great Sea of Understanding to the City of the Pyramids!"

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