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User talk:RobertG/Archive-01

Archive of talk page to 31st October 2005

Initial welcome
Greetings, and welcome to wikipedia! Noticed you augmenting and diminishing some of the music articles, and groaned happily at the pun on your userpage. (As a side note, I'm a music major, and about one class off from a CS minor, myself.)

Seems you already know what you're doing, but just about anything else you could hope to read about editing Wikipedia is linked at the Community portal. (The Simplified Ruleset is a good overview, though.) Always delighted to see someone else editing in the classical music sections. I hang around a bit around WikiProject Composers, myself; WikiProject Music might also give you some ideas and jumping-off points. Happy editing, Mindspillage (spill yours?) 17:43, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Another welcome
Hi, fellow newbie! I am the culprit who, trying to rehabilitate half-forgotten piano concertos from the Romantic era, has been adding entries to the repertoire list without having found the time to research and comment on their historical relevance in the main text of the article. The list now has a new home of its own thanks to you.

By all means keep writing quality pieces for Wikipedia in your personal key. There is no such thing as an overdose of encyclopedia editing. --Defrosted 12:41, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!
And thank you for your support on my admin nomination! I shall attempt to put the shiny new buttons to good use; also, if you're ever still feeling clueless newbie-ish, my talk page is open. I love what you've written on your user page now: strange that it's so easy to just walk into a project like this one, no? Mindspillage (spill yours?) 13:16, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hello
Hi Robert -- just wanted to extend a greeting from another music editor. I love the Abel Muzorewa quotation on your user page; he's evidently a very wise man. I hope you stick around here! We need good music editors, and there really aren't many of us (and besides, Lyadov needs an article!) Best wishes, Antandrus 04:08, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Eavesdropping
Greetings again! Noticed your question on Antandrus' talk page and figured I'd butt in. Music markup might answer a few of your questions about the possibility of using something like Lilypond in Mediawiki the way math already has TeX for notation entry. Basically, everyone agrees that it would be a good idea, it's just a matter of developer time to put into it. I asked one of the devs about it a few months back, who said that yes, it is on the to-do list, but it's not a high enough priority for there to be a definite time attached to it... in other words, Real Soon Now. For the meantime, as you suspected, save a picture from your notation software of choice. I believe I've seen people using Sibelius, Finale, and Rosegarden for such; don't know anything useful about any others. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 13:05, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Rebecca Clarke
Actually, I think the FAC page is a pretty good place to do it, since it gives other people a chance to come in and comment on your comments! The whole discussion will eventually be linked from the talk page, anyhow. I'm just checking my messages before I go do other things for the afternoon (signs of wikiholism?), will address Taxman's and your comments there later when I have more time to address them properly. Thank you for them; I do like it when people look at the picky things, and you can be bold and fix some yourself even if it's on FAC—IMHO that's largely what the process is there for! (Truthfully, this is my first go-round with FAs and I didn't expect much support at all; I'm surprised.) I'm glad you like it even in its imperfect state. :-) Mindspillage (spill yours?) 19:13, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Lutosławski
Hi Robert -- I'm happy to hear you are taking on Lutosławski (and Messaien!). Don't worry, you're not duplicating any effort of mine at the moment: I've started writing articles on major standard rep pieces that are missing, and then I'll probably go back to medieval and Renaissance composers for a while. Regarding images, I can't help you there: I'm yet to find any source for usable images of 20th century composers (barring "fair use" of copyright images, which is controversial, and which I never do). Best, Antandrus 15:19, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Rebecca Clarke
Hi, I noticed your recent edit to Rebecca Clarke. While it is fine that you don't believe that sentence belongs in the article, it is not fine that you have chosen to crap-up the sentence to cause it to be removed. It is not acceptable to disrupt wikipedia to make a point. If you disagree with the presence of material in an article, please remove it. If something prevents you from removing it, then please do not convert the material to junk just to create cause for someone else to remove it. (please leave any reply here, I'll find it, Thanks!) --Gmaxwell 18:41, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry my edit displeased you. I had already corresponded with Mindspillage on this and she exhorted me to be bold.  If I had disagreed with the presence of the sentence I would have removed it.  Since I thought the sentence was trying to make a valid point I edited it to say what I thought it should say.
 * I note that Mindspillage has edited the passage again, and it now reads with much more relevance than the original version, and says roughly what my edit said (which I suspect is what Mindspillage was driving at too). I do not accept that I "disrupted Wikipedia".  On the contrary, I feel that what has been arrived at is much better, and would not have been achieved without my edit.
 * I found the coarse tone of your comment completely inappropriate. I am not quite so devoid of ego that I enjoy being told I've "crapped-up" something, and written "junk". I take it that crap-up is a term in common use in USA and wasn't meant to be offensive? And your facts are wrong - I have not caused the sentence to be removed.  Please assume good faith.  --RobertG ♬ talk 06:45, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Well I looked through the history and saw that you had previously removed it, which is where my assumption of good faith ended. I am sorry for coming off so coarsely, but the specific phrasing you used 'work of foo pretensions' would far more likely be found in mockery than in earnest use, at least in the part of the world that I inhabit. It's interesting to note that I don't consider the current text to in any way resemble your edit, a further indicator that I've misunderstood you. I came across your edit only after reading the article, noticing that text, then going to chastise Mindspillage for her ridiculous prose... before I noticed that this text had just been added, and wasn't her fault. :)  As far as removing the sentence, I posted that message long before Mindspillage's update, and actually would have removed the sentence myself if I hadn't spoken to her and found out that she was in the process of making a long edit.  I wasn't claiming that removal had happened, but rather that it would happen and that it was your intention. I hope you can forgive me for jumping to that conclusion. I think the current text in the article is good, and I am sorry for assuming that you were trying to achieve anything except an improvement. --Gmaxwell 17:31, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe aspirations would have been better than pretensions.
 * I more than forgive you: I thank you that you made me think long and hard about what I was doing here in Wikipedia. See my user page.  No hard feelings.  But I hope you don't ever do the same to anyone else.  --RobertG ♬ talk 08:59, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Leaving
Hi Robert,

Thank you for the kind compliment, and I am very sorry to see that you may be leaving. I do understand, though: in the last ten years I've been a member of maybe a dozen internet communities, and except for Wikipedia, at present, I have left them all. If you do decide either to stay, or to return, I for one shall welcome you warmly. We need people with your knowledge and your standards. Best wishes, Antandrus (talk)  14:50, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

I share your hope that Wikipedia might rise above the level of mediocrity you fear, and I'd like to thank you for your contributions towards this goal, and in particular your help with hammering out some sort of system for the composition listing. It is this sort of co-operation, I feel, that will help Wikipedia continue to improve. Thank you for your time, regards, Mallocks 21:48, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Welcome back
Occasional or not, glad to see you return. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 16:30, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I did indeed, but it looked like you wanted to keep your secret identity under wraps (although I'm not the only one who caught on!). Mindspillage (spill yours?) 17:10, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Of Jokes and Pillars
Thank you for the joke; here's my usual award for viola humor. I also see you added a five pillars notice to the top of your talk page. I discovered these guidelines for Wikipedia use a short while back, and was shocked that no one had told me about these earlier. If everyone just kept these pillars in the forefront of their mind, we'd have a much better encyclopedia, and much less confrontation in the community. Regards, Bratsche talk  random 03:49, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

Welcome back!
Thanks for posting the compliments last week in appreciation of the efforts I made to wikify your piece on Lutoslawski. I was persuaded to take on the task of wikifying such a long entry because of the comprehensiveness and excellence of the research that you undertook in writing the article.

Honored to have you (and your British spellchecker) working on Wikipedia again.--Defrosted 12:36, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Johnny Wilkinson
Re: the pseudonyms - looking at the contrib's edits, he's an Australian with an inferiority complex. I think they can safely be ignored. Average Earthman 11:32, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your support
Thank you for supporting my candidacy for administrator. Kelly Martin 14:42, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)

Beethoven symphonies
Hello! I noticed the changes you made in the Beethoven sonatas' articles. Would you mind looking at Category talk:Beethoven symphonies? --Missmarple 19:30, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Many thanks for supporting my candidacy to become an administrator, and for the good words! Schissel : bowl listen 17:29, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Hello there. All I can say about the Vegemite Vandal is that WE'RE ONTO HIM! He won't get away with it for long, no siree. Little worker bees from all over come and patch up what's broken. Quite splendid, really. Brequinda 09:22, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Lichtenstein
re Lichtenstein:

Glad you enjoyed, it was fun to do, I thought I knew a bit to start with and now I know even more =:-). Lots more changes this evening so hopefully it still looks ok.

--John-Nash 20:59, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Jig
I changed the link on Ronald Stevenson because (as I read on Gigue) Jig is a folk dance and Gigue is a dance, commonly used in suites. Maybe Ronald Stevenson only decided to spell Gigue in another way, but was still thinking about Gigue? --Missmarple 28 June 2005 14:51 (UTC)

Your editing speed is unstoppable
Beat me to it, RobertG re: "most difficult"... I like your wording better even. :) --bleh fu talk fu  June 28, 2005 14:41 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you'll want to tackle this. My brain hurts, and nothing comes to mind. --bleh fu talk fu  June 28, 2005 14:54 (UTC)
 * Looks peachy, well done. --bleh fu talk fu  June 28, 2005 16:00 (UTC)

As for editing Lutoslawski, I guess I was decrying my own laziness and lack of willingness to wade into a morass of prose, which would probably consume and hour and a half of my time. --bleh fu talk fu  June 29, 2005 18:57 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the very kind welcome - I'm glad you were happy with my edits on Lutoslawski (I was a bit nervous, it being my first edit of a 'real' article). Overall I thought it was a really good article though; I was astonished to see an recent composer tackled so extensively and so well. There are one or two other factual additions/quotes I might put in once I can verify them, but I need to decide if they're really valid contributions first (for example, a quote from him about the course on musical forms with Maliszewski being 'the most important [course] in my conservatory studies', and its specifically dealing with psychological aspects of musical form). Thanks also for the 'five pillars' link - I've whacked one on my talk page too - such a good idea!

Oh yeah, also - isn't De Stijl ace? I don't know if the recording I heard was the same as yours, but I'd say it (and 'Hadewijch') are perhaps my favourite works by Andriessen. Hutchies 28 June 2005 16:58 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you very much for your support on the occasion of my RfA. I promise to continue to uphold the Five pillars of Wikipedia. Thanks, Bratsche talk  5 pillars June 29, 2005 16:19 (UTC)

Lutoslawski and other images
Hi Robert. In response to your question - I wrote to the webmaster at PMC (http://www.usc.edu/dept/polish_music/), and recieved an answer from the manager, who answered that the images they use are in the public domain. I have this email archived. I have added other images from their website, for instance to Grazyna Bacewicz and plan to add more - but these are only Polish aritsts, of course. I have no idea for Messiaen, but I will look and let you know if I find something. Karol June 30, 2005 08:48 (UTC)

As to Messiaen, we could potentially use any image found in google hits, after makign sure its not against copyright. Karol June 30, 2005 08:57 (UTC)

Panufnik - if you like it, then go ahead and add the image at PMC. PD gives the right to anyone to use these images. I havn't got around to editing Panufnik's article, but someday I would, so if yo udon't add an image I probably will at some point. Karol June 30, 2005 09:10 (UTC)

La mer
I'm glad someone is appreciating that. It actually took quite a bit of untangling, because there were references with capital and small "m" to both the Trenet and Debussy works, and I had to disambiguate both while redirecting so both forms worked. And after the last couple of comments I'd gotten on similar work I've been doing (mostly negative) it was starting to look like a thankless job. -- BRG July 1, 2005 18:36 (UTC)

Peer review/Witold Lutosławski/archive1
I appreciate your attempts to reach the compromise - I am sure we can reach it. Replied. As for images, look here - I am sure many of them fall under Polish PD template. Don't be afraid of fair use, it is, after all, fair. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 4 July 2005 15:49 (UTC)

Messiaen
Wow, nice job on this rewrite! This must have been brewing for a while. :-) Mindspillage (spill yours?) 16:23, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Re "Bach greatness"
Hi Robert. I've replied to your comment on my talk page. Paul August ☎ 17:24, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for voting in my RfA; I promise I'll wield my sacred mop with care. If you ever need me for anything, you know where to find me. Thanks again! -- Essjay ·  Talk 15:20, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Lutosławski
Hi Robert! Thanks for the note; I'll have a look and tell you what I think. Wow, I haven't been watching FAC at all recently; I had no idea there was a composer article being considered (I've been wasting far too much time on sterile RC patrol ... ack.) I'm not entirely sure how to handle images; it's always dicey when you have to get them from other sources. Why don't you write to USC yourself, if they claim their images are PD? Anyway I'll read the article as soon as I have a few minutes! Best wishes, Antandrus (talk) 20:37, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I noticed this discussion (I happened to have Antandrus's talk page in my watchlist). If you want another peer review of the article from an Internet-savvy expert, you might try Margaret Mikulska. But she really is an expert, so be prepared for a real criticism. Here's why: go into Google Groups and search "Mikulska Lutoslawski Wikipedia". Towards the end of her posting she refers to the article as it was before you started the major upgrade. Actually I wrote to her about 6 weeks ago asking what she now thought of it, but she didn't reply. You may get a response. David Brooks 22:13, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * p.s. make sure her expectatations are set right. This is an general-audience encyclopedia, not a master's thesis. David Brooks

OMFG
Seriously now. ;)  —RaD Man (talk) 03:00, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Wow, etc.
Thanks Robert! Really appreciate that.

Yes, I really wanted to write about Richard Strauss this morning, not mop up the spilled bits of Willy, but ... so it goes. Your article on Lutosławski is superb; it'll get to FA status sooner or later. Keep up the good work yourself! Antandrus (talk) 15:40, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

quintuplets
LOL, you probably could (indeed should?) put in something about unmetered, free music prior to the late middle ages. There's a bunch more quintuple meter examples between the 16th and late 19th centuries, but they're all just sections of pieces (and I can't think of any septuple or more ...) Oh, and I'm sure there's a lot of 19th century Russian music in five, but I don't have a good way to look it up! Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 20:28, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Luto
Sorry about my boo-boos. 'Toe the line' was too colloquial for that register. Thanks. Tony 11:50, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Image:Lutoslawski.jpg revisited
Hi Robert. I added the relevant fragments of two email to the image description. Hope that works. I don't know if I formatted them right, though. Take a look. Personally, I would give more credit to the photographer, a link or so, but can't really find much on the internet about her. Hope Lutosławski finally makes it up there, 'cause he sure does deserve it. Karol 16:24, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Mathematics FA template
Hi RobertG, definately no hard feelings. Thanks for the bird :) --MarSch 10:54, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Bach photo
Robert—thanks for fixing it up; I'm only just learning the image thing. Tony 10:48, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

I've seen the image tutorial, and still got it wrong. Is there a tutorial for uploading sound files? Tony 11:17, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Project page changes: now that's what I wanted to write! Tony 00:29, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

congrats!
Robert: congratulations on the promotion of your Luto article; your tireless work has paid off! I'd still like to make some changes to the music section. And a photo of his notation and a sound excerpt would be just great, not only for this article, but as an example to other composer articles. Is it worth contacting a recording company? Tony 02:42, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

wikibreak
Hi Robert: have a great Wikibreak, come back rested and refreshed; you're one of the best editors we've got, and I look forward to whatever you're working on next. Take care! Antandrus (talk) 16:30, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Anon vandal post
Here's the anon vandal posting I reverted earlier, but I enjoyed its lack of neurosis and its inscrutability, so on reflection I am putting it back in case it amuses anyone else. --RobertG ♬ talk 20:02, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

I wasn't experimenting, I was vandalising, you fool!

Do not assume good faith with me. I have more mothers! (preceding unsigned comment by 81.152.55.77 16:54, 7 September 2005 (UTC))

The above
made me laugh; I'm glad you kept it for others to stumble across. And I have to echo Antandrus' statements above: you're a shining asset to Wikipedia, and I hope you're enjoying the relaxation of your Wikibreak.

When you come back, would you be interested in becoming an admin? I've noticed you doing quite a bit of vandalism reversion lately and thought you might find it useful. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 21:06, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

 * No, you're not reading too much in; of course it is an offer. And I'd be honored to do so. Hope you're well, then, and that you have time to catch some leisure time on the wiki sometime soon! Mindspillage (spill yours?) 15:28, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you've decided to accept. :-) Whenever would be good for you is fine—a time when you'll be able to post answers to the questions shortly afterward would be best. Today or tomorrow, maybe? Mindspillage (spill yours?) 18:02, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I figured we were offset a bit. Last thing tonight is is perfectly convenient—especially as I am something of a night owl. No hurry, just best to do things while they're fresh in my mind, else I forget! I'll drop you another message when it's posted. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 19:41, 21 September 2005 (UTC) (Update: nomination posted, while I'm still awake enough to catch my typos!) Mindspillage (spill yours?) 05:29, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

The charter is here. (Relating to Esperanza)
Hello RobertG, the Charter for Esperanza is up. Take a looksie :) R  e  dwolf24  (talk) 02:55, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

More on Luto
Robert, are you back? What about swapping the bottom and top pics of the composer? The bottom one is just beautiful, and would be nice at the opening. Tony 08:45, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

I took that photo of the score myself; never done one before, and I'd like to know what the trick is for getting a white background. Not helped by the small notation. Tony 10:47, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza made less bureaucratic
Hello again, I have (unilatterly) taken away the 'assembly' idea, as per my reasons at that edit summary and per Wikipedia talk:Esperanza/Charter. I have left the admin general, as some leadership is good. Now, all you have to do is be a member to establish consensus, the whole assembly idea is gone. Also, I have added an advisory committee, of four members, with limited power besides watching over the admin general and making sure he doesn't do anything stupid. Please look at the ammended charter, and I would love a comment. R e  dwolf24  (talk) 00:28, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

emailing you now
Tony 00:31, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I've overwritten the excerpt (so much nicer), but the old one still shows in the article. ??? Tony 12:15, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

The last time I'm spamming you all with Esperanza stuff
Hello RobertG. As you may or may not know, there have been some troubles with Esperanza. So now, as a last ditch to save the community, please vote at Esperanza/Reform on all neccisary polls. P.S. I'm very sorry for spamming you all with these messages, and this will be the last time. I recommend putting ESP on your watchlist. Cheers and please look at that, let's stop the civil war then. R e  dwolf24  (talk) 02:51, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

RFA
Congratulations! Consesus being reached you will now be given the admin's tools. However there is a bug in the system and hence we cannot set access rights as of now. Special:makesysop is used to set admin rights and currently an error: "page not recognized by Wikipedia" is being displayed. If this is rectified, you will see "you do not have permission to access...". Bureaucrats will be checking this page periodically, if you notice it resolved before a bureaucrat does, please feel to contact any one of them (special:listusers). Thank you for your patience. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  05:58, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It was my pleasure: hope you didn't mind my disrupting your request too much. ;-) I trust you will use your powers well, once you get them; welcome to the nonexistent admin musicabal! Mindspillage (spill yours?) 14:24, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * My pleasure as well, and I hope the bug is squashed soon; that's rather a bad one. I think you'll find admin rights to be quite useful!  Take care, Antandrus  (talk) 15:14, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Palazzo Pitti
Thanks for your support on the above page's FA. I have responded to your comments on the FA page. Regards Giano | talk 21:01, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

You're a sysop!
Hi, RobertG, Congratulations on Becoming a Sysop Hey there. I'm pleased to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator! You've volunteered to do housekeeping duties that normal users sadly cannot participate in. Sysops can't do a lot of stuff: They can't delete pages just like that (except patent nonsense like "aojt9085yu8;3ou"), and they can't protect pages in an edit war they are involved in. But they can delete random junk, ban anonymous vandals, delete pages listed on Votes for deletion (provided there's a consensus) for more than one week, protect pages when asked to, and keep the few protected pages that exist on Wikipedia up to date.

Almost anything you can do can be undone, but please take a look at The Administrators' how-to guide and the Administrators' reading list before you get started (although you should have read that during your candidacy ;). Take a look before experimenting with your powers. Also, please add Administrators' noticeboard to your watchlist, as there are always discussions/requests for admins there. If you have any questions drop me a message at My talk page. Have fun! =Nichalp  «Talk»=

Your Adminship and more
Hi RobertG: Thank you for your kind note. Yeah, I was just a bit stressed with school, work, and more, and just didn't want to add any Wikistress to the pile. Right now, I'm feeling better, though am spending less time here in order to concentrate both on my studies and life in general.

I am quite glad that your RfA passed, and look forward to working with you more. I always respected you as an editor, and now welcome you to the ranks of janitors/admins/cabalists etc. Regards,  Bratsche talk 19:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Luto opening para
Hi Robert—Are we going to use my proposed opening to the article, or do you have problems with it? Tony 11:28, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I see what you mean. Can you leave it with me? I don't have lots of time at the moment, but will after 12 October, so perhaps then I'll propose some additions to body of the article that might solve this problem. Tony 12:53, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the words of encouragement. They help, and they are appreciated. Peruvianllama 18:25, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

 * If you wouldn't mind taking another look at Saint Francis High School, and the history of changes, 'twould also be appreciated. The situation seems to be just as bad as before, and I don't see things improving until admin action has been taken. Cheers. Peruvianllama 20:21, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Saint Francis High School vandal
Hi, Fvw. I've been keeping an eye on this editor, too. When they persisted after your final warning, I blocked them for 48 hours - is this long enough? - too long? (I'm an as-yet-inexperienced admin.) You may be aware that they have also threatened further attacks on another IP address - I suspect this is just bluster, but perhaps we should keep an eye out. Regards. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:59, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 48 hours is fine; I would have probably gone for 24, in most cases you only have to block for the length of their attention span which generally isn't all that long. They're on a pac bell dynamic IP so they can easily get a fresh IP, as indeed they did after the block. I've vprotected the page instead. --fvw *  13:15, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks to you both. RobertG, as you've probably already noticed, I was frustrated enough with the situation to list it on Vandalism_in_progress - not an attempt to go "over your head" or anything, but just to make sure it was listed for the right people in the right places. Once again, thanks to all who helped out - seeing my picture with a circle-and-cross through it was becoming tiresome. :) Peruvianllama 16:23, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * One more comment - obviously this situation can very easily return once the Protected status wears off, and we're back at square one if it does. In the process of all this, it's occured to me that a third article policy in between 'Open' and 'Protected' would solve problems like this one. This third policy would block anon. IPs from editing, but allow registered users to edit freely. Is there any currently on-going discussion forum on WikiPolicy where I could bring this up? Peruvianllama 16:32, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Ferdinand Magellan vandal
Thanks for the catch on that vandal, I missed his last change :) You're an admin, right? He used up his limits for warns, you got the block? 70.60.56.30

Nevermind. You already got him. Things sudo move fast around here! --Irixman 16:02, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello - New Message
Hi Robert, I'm loving Wikipedia!! I'm sure i will be coming back for help as am still a rookie .. Please can you delete the other uncopywritted Guy picture you mailed me about, was a mistake. Thanks,Amycrowther 16:31, 11 October 2005 (UTC)Amy

Thank you
Thanks for your congratulations: I'll do my best to be just and well-tempered. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 17:24, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for blocking 205.235.35.52, a little slow there ;) (just kidding!)

Prodego 14:20, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Here's another who seems to have stoped I am now leaving Wikipedia keep an eye on this one for me please, Thanks.

(204.184.214.1) 2 blocks in past

Hi Robert
It went well; I had one done and I performed one for someone else. Thanks for the welcome back! I didn't think anyone would notice, and it's pleasing that someone did. :-) Take care, Antandrus  (talk) 15:46, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

R U home?
If you are in Wikipedia, 66.100.118.66 might will need to be blocked.

Prodego  talk  17:12, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Titoxd's RfA
Thank you for supporting me in my RfA. I never thought I would get so much support! Thanks to your help, my nomination was the 10th most supported RfA in Wikipedia history. Now, please keep an eye out on me while I learn the new tools, ok? Thanks again! Tito xd (?!?) 18:03, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Luto
Hi Robert That's good news that the article is to appear on the front page! At what point in time is the lead 'snapshot' taken for that appearance? I'd like to have another look at it. As well, I wanted to include a few audio excerpts ('fair use'), which will involve a visit to the library to borrow CDs, which I'll do early next week (I thought one or two 30-second excerpts from Symphony for Orchestra, one from the Symphony No. 3, and one from Parole Tissee (I've spelt it wrongly) - any other thoughts on that? I'm keen to promote the use of short excerpts in composer articles, and this is a good opportunity. At the same time, I'll check references on the composers who influenced L, for the lead. Tony 23:21, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

PS Just had a look at the lead: it's fine. Thanks for your vote. Tony 00:15, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Robert, I suppose that you're aware of the fiasco that my RfA has become. It looks as though the nomination will fail through a concerted attempt at character assassination by several people whose article I critiqued. Now that the ball has started rolling, more are joining in the feast.

I feel utterly destroyed by this process: never before have I been under sustained personal attack by a group, and my instinct is to defend myself in those rare situations, rather than retreat from tension as I normally do.

So, my purpose in writing to you is to say that if/when it fails, I'll be trashing my personal page and won't return to WP; it's just too unpleasant and embarrassing to go on. In that probable case, I hope that your Luto article goes well next Sunday, and please accept my best wishes; it was nice to work with you. Tony 00:32, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your nice message, Robert. One of the really bad things will be not being able to work with people like you. Tony 13:50, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

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USS Alcedo

USS Alcedo (SP-166) was a yacht in the United States Navy. She was the first American vessel lost in World War I.

Alcedo was built in 1895 at Glasgow, Scotland, by D. and W. Henderson and Company. She was purchased by the Navy on 1 June 1917 from Mr. George W. C. Drexel of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and commissioned at New York City on 28 July 1917.

Service history
Assigned to the Patrol Force, Alcedo departed Newport, Rhode Island on 5 August 1917. Steaming via Newfoundland and the Azores, the yacht arrived at Brest, France on the 30th. During her brief Navy career, the yacht conducted anti-submarine patrols and convoy-escort missions along the French coast. On two occasions, she rescued crew members of torpedoed merchantmen. On 17 October, the little warship picked up 118 men from the troop transport steamer SS Antilles (1907), which had been sunk by a submerged German U-boat. Twelve days later, she saved another 85 survivors from SS Finland.

On the afternoon of 4 November, Alcedo departed Quiberon Bay, France with USS Aphrodite (SP-135) USS Noma (SP-131), and USS Kanawha II (SP-130) as the escort for a convoy composed of SS Florence Luckenbach, SS Artemis, and SS Newport News bound for Brest. At about 01:45 the following morning, while the convoy was steaming some 75 mi west of Belle He, an Alcedo crewman reported sighting a surfaced U-boat. Almost instantaneously with the sounding of the alarm, the German submarine UC-71 fired a single torpedo in a surface attack. (Some Alcedo records suggest that the U-boat submerged first, but the official German account confirms a surface attack.) Alcedo attempted to change course to evade the torpedo, but she answered her helm sluggishly. The torpedo struck the yacht on the port side well forward, and Alcedo began to settle fast. Soon after the hit, the ship's commanding officer ordered her abandoned, and she went down in eight minutes. The yacht lost one officer, Lieutenant, junior grade John Melvin, and 20 sailors in the action to both wounds and drowning. The remainder of her crew took to the boats in two separate groups. After a long time rowing, one group — which included the commanding officer — was picked up by a French torpedo boat. The other was towed to safety by French fishermen.

Alcedo's name was struck from the Naval Vessel Register on 17 December 1917.

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Onondaga language

 PUNC:punctual aspect

Onondaga language (Onoñdaʼgegáʼ nigaweñoʼdeñʼ,, literally "Onondaga is our language") is the language of the Onondaga First Nation, one of the original five constituent tribes of the League of the Iroquois (Haudenosaunee).

This language is spoken in the United States and Canada, primarily on the reservation in central New York State and near Brantford, Ontario.

Usage and revitalization
According to the UNESCO Atlas of the World's Languages in Danger, there are about 10 mother tongue Onondaga speakers in New York, and 40 native speakers on the Six Nations Reserve in Ontario, Canada. The language has come to be endangered due to the pressure to assimilate to English as the language of power. Standardization also occurred in residential schools across Canada in the 1800s to 1900s. Young boys and girls at the Mohawk Institute Indian Residential School in Brantford, Ontario were punished for using their heritage language.

The Onondaga Nation Language Center (called Neʼ Eñhadiweñnayeñdeʼnhaʼ, or "they will get to know the language") has been engaged in language revitalization efforts since 2010. Children learn the Onondaga language at Onondaga Nation School, and classes are also available for adults. In September 2015, it was announced that fifteen adults would enter a full-time language immersion class in Onondaga, after which they would become teachers of the language. In Canada, Gawęnahwishe' Onǫda'gega' is a revitalization project that launched in 2017 with six new language learners. It is an adult immersion program that implements the Six Nations Language Commission's (SNLC) framework. They are involved with translating the local radio station, putting on programs with local elementary and secondary schools, and outreach events for the community.

Phonology
This table shows the (consonant) phonemes that are found in Onondaga.

The two plosives,, are allophonically voiced to  and  before vowels and resonants (the bottom row of the chart labelled 'sonorant') and are spelled $\langled\rangle$ and $\langleg\rangle$ in this case. There is considerable palatalization and affrication in the language.

Onondaga has five oral vowels, ( is sometimes represented orthographically as $\langleä\rangle$), and two nasal vowels,  and. The nasal vowels, following the Iroquoianist tradition, are spelled with ogoneks in the scholarly literature and in Ontario ($\langleę\rangle$ and $\langleǫ\rangle$ or $\langleų\rangle$). In New York, they are represented with a following $\langleñ\rangle$ ($\langleeñ\rangle$ and $\langleoñ\rangle$). Vowels can be both short and long. When vowel length derives from the now lost consonant *r, it is phonemic. Vowel length is written with a following colon, $\langle꞉\rangle$ or raised dot (half colon) $\langleꞏ\rangle$.

Morphology
Onondaga is a polysynthetic language, exhibiting a great deal of inflectional and derivational morphology on the verbal forms (including noun incorporation). Nominal forms have less morphology. Additionally, there are particles, which are monomorphemic.

Verbal morphology
Onondaga verbs can be divided into three main classes according to their aspectual properties (discussed below). These are the active verbs, motion verbs, and stative verbs. We must distinguish between tense and aspect. Tense refers to when the event takes place, either in the past, the present or the future. Aspect refers to the event itself, such as whether it is finished or ongoing or occurs repeatedly.

There are four aspects in Onondaga. The first is the habitual aspect (HAB). This aspect is used to refer to an event that takes place repeatedly or on an ongoing basis. The second is the punctual aspect (PUNC) (also known as perfective aspect). This aspect refers to an entire event in its completeness. When used in the past tense, the event is described as "over and done-with." It cannot describe an event that is interrupted or incomplete. The third aspect is the stative (STAT) (also known as imperfective) refers to an event that is ongoing or incomplete or, if it occurs in the past tense, that has some bearing on the present. Finally, there is the purposive aspect (PURP), which refers to imminent action and usually implies intent or volition on the part of the subject. Active verbs can appear with any of the first three aspects. Motion verbs can appear with any of all four aspects. Stative verbs can only appear with the stative aspect.

Verbal template
A typical Onondaga verb consists of several morphemes (components). The following chart outlines the order of the morphemes. Obligatory morphemes appear in boldface, and optional morphemes are in standard font. Note that some of the "optional" morphemes are obligatory with certain verb roots. The obligatory morphemes, however, must appear on each and every single verb.

Each of the following sections outlines the shapes that these morphemes can take.

Modal pre-pronominal prefixes
The prepronominal prefixes express a variety of concepts and ideas. The first concept is modality, which expresses the degree of urgency, certainty or likelihood of the event. There are three modal prefixes in Onondaga. The modal prefixes only appear with the punctual aspect. They also appear if there is a modalizer suffix.

The first of these is commonly called the future modal prefix. This prefix expresses events that have not yet taken place at the time the speaker is talking. ę-		ha-			yętw-	aʔ

FUT-	3.SG.M.AG-	plant-	PUNC

'He will plant it.'

The second is the factual modal prefix. This prefix indicates that the speaker knows the event happened for a fact. It typically has a past tense reading (since we are normally only sure about events that happened in the past). waʔ-	ha-			yę꞉tw-	aʔ

FACT-	3.SG.M.AG-	plant-	PUNC

'He planted it.'

The third is optative modal prefix. This prefix expresses the idea that the event should or ought to take place. It is also used to express untrue events or events that might have taken place but have not. Here are some examples. a-		ha-			yę꞉tw-	aʔ

OPT-	3.SG.M.AG-	plant-	PUNC

'He might plant it.'

The following chart lists forms of the three modal prepronominal prefixes and indicates when to use which form.

Non-modal pre-pronominal prefixes
In addition to the modal prefixes, there is also a set of prefixes that express a variety of concepts, some of which do not have a clearly distinct meaning, rather their meaning varies depending on context. The list of these includes repetitive, cislocative, dualic, translocative, partitive, coincident, contrastive, and negative.

Repetitive
The repetitive morpheme adds the meaning of doing something again or repeating some-thing. The basic form of the repetitive morpheme is /s-/. Here are some examples. Example (37) has the prepronominal prefix /sa-/, which is a combination of both repetitive and factual mood. Example (38) has the prepronominal prefix /ęs-/, which is a combination of repetitive and future. These contrast with example (39), which does not have the repetitive morpheme.

sa– ha– yętw– aʔ

REP.FACT- 3.SG.M- plant- PUNC

'He planted it again.'

ęs– ha– yętw– aʔ

REP.FUT- 3.SG.M- plant- PUNC

'He will plant it again.'

waʔ– ha– yętw– aʔ

FACT- 3.SG.M- plant- PUNC

'He planted it.'

Cislocative
The cislocative (CLOC) morpheme is used to indicate movement toward the speaker. It can also mean that a particular event is pinpointed back in time. In some cases, the meaning of the cislocative is unpredictable. Some of these are listed below. There are two forms of the cislocative.

/t-/	default /di-/	used with any 2nd person or 1st person inclusive, except 2.SG.AG

Translocative
The translocative (TLOC) morpheme is used to indicate movement away from the speaker. The form of the translocative is /he-/

Dualic
The dualic (DUC) does not have a specific meaning. The form of the dualic is /de-/, but changes when it appears in combination with other prepronominal prefixes. Whenever it appears with a verb stem, it changes the meaning in unpredictable ways. Usually, however, there is some notion of there being two of something or of some reciprocal activity such as trading. Also, some verb roots must appear with the dualic prepronominal prefix. In examples (41) and (42), the dualic prefix is obligatory. In example (43), the dualic prefix adds the meaning of becoming two pieces.

de- yǫ- ashęthw-as

DUC- 3.SG.F- cry-HAB

'She is crying'

de- ha- ahah- iyaʔk- s

DUC- 3.SG.M- road- cross- HAB

'He crosses a road.'

de- ha- yaʔk- s

DUC- 3.SG.M- break- HAB

'He breaks it into two.'

ha- yaʔk- s

3.SG.M- break- HAB

'He breaks it off.'

Pronominal prefixes
There are three series of pronominal prefixes in Onondaga. There is a transitive series, used with transitive verbs. Intransitive verbs use either the agent series or the patient series. The choice between the latter two is often complex, as we will see. The phonological shape of the pronominal prefix depends on the identity of the following sound. This gives rise to several series of pronominal prefixes, which are labelled according to the following segment. These include the c-series (for pronominal prefixes which precede a consonant), the a-series (for pronominal prefixes which precede /a/), the e-series, ę-series, o-series, ǫ-series, and i-series. Finally, the pronominal prefixes inflect for person, number and gender. We discuss each of these in turn.

Onondaga distinguishes three persons: first (I or we), second (you) and third (he, she, it or they). The first person can be either exclusive (EXCL), which excludes the listener, or inclusive (INCL), which includes the listener.

Here, when John says we, it does not include the person he's talking to. In other words, Mary doesn't get to go to the movies. This use of we is called the first person exclusive. English does not make a distinction between inclusive and exclusive we but Onondaga does. Consider the following two words. The pronominal prefix /dn-/ indicates a first person dual inclusive subject, and the pronominal prefix /agn-/ indicates a first person dual exclusive subject.

weʔ–	dn–		ek–	Ø

FACT-	1.DU.INCL-	eat-	PUNC

'We two (you and I) ate it.'

waʔ–	agn–		ek–	Ø

FACT-	1.DU.EXCL-	eat-	PUNC

'We two (someone else and I) ate it.'

Three numbers are also distinguished in Onondaga: singular (for one entity, SG), dual (for two entities, DU), and plural (for three or more entities, PL). In the glosses, singular is marked with SG, dual is marked with DU, and plural is marked with PL.

waʔ– s– ek– Ø

FACT- 2.SG- eat- PUNC

'You (sing.) ate it.'

weʔ– sn– ek– Ø

FACT- 2.DU- eat- PUNC

'You two ate it.'

weʔ– sw– ek– Ø

FACT- 2.PL- eat- PUNC

'You all ate it.'

Additionally, Onondaga distinguishes three genders, which are realized in the third person only. The first is masculine (M), which is used to refer to male humans and certain animals, either alone or in a group. The second is feminine (F). This is used to refer to female humans, certain animals, or some unknown person. It is sometimes called the feminine-indefinite. For groups of people that contain both men and women, the masculine is used. The third is neuter (N), which is used to refer to most animals and inanimate objects. In older texts, the neuter is used to refer to human females in certain circumstances, although this usage is no longer common. See Abrams (2006: 17) for more discussion. (Abbott, 1984 also discusses two feminine genders in Oneida.) Here are some examples.

waʔ- e- k- Ø

FACT- 3.SG.F- eat- PUNC

'She ate it.' OR 'Someone ate it.'

waʔ- we- k- Ø

FACT- 3.SG.N- eat- PUNC

'Something/it ate it.'

waʔ- he- k- Ø

FACT- 3.SG.M- eat- PUNC

'He ate it.'

Finally, we observe that there are two series of prefixes for intransitive verbs, the agent series (AG) and the patient series (PAT). As a general rule, verbs which involve active, purposeful movement or activity on the part of the subject are conjugated with the agent series. Verbs which involve involuntary action or states are conjugated with the patient series. There are so many exceptions to this generalization, however, that one has to simply learn for each intransitive verb whether it takes the agent or the patient series. There is an additional rule for the intransitive verbs that take the agent series. When these verbs appear with stative aspect, they use the patient series rather than the agent series. This rule does not have any exceptions.

There are six classes of conjugations which depend on the initial sound of the following morpheme (i.e., the first sound of the verb root or of the incorporated noun if there is one).

C-Stem
The following chart lists the pronominal prefixes for stems that begin with a consonant. Note that (y) or (w) in brackets disappears when preceded by a pre-pronominal prefix.

A-Stem
The following chart lists the pronominal prefixes for stems that begin with a consonant. Note that (y) or (w) in brackets disappears when preceded by a pre-pronominal prefix.

E-Stem
The following chart lists the pronominal prefixes for stems that begin with a consonant. Note that (y) or (w) in brackets disappears when preceded by a pre-pronominal prefix.

Ę-Stem
The following chart lists the pronominal prefixes for stems that begin with /ę/. Note that (y) or (w) in brackets disappears when preceded by a pre-pronominal prefix.

O-Stem
The following chart lists the pronominal prefixes for stems that begin with a consonant. Note that (y) or (w) in brackets disappears when preceded by a pre-pronominal prefix.

Ǫ-Stem
The following chart lists the pronominal prefixes for stems that begin with a consonant. Note that (y) or (w) in brackets disappears when preceded by a pre-pronominal prefix.

I-Stem
The following chart lists the pronominal prefixes for stems that begin with a consonant. Note that (y) or (w) in brackets disappears when preceded by a pre-pronominal prefix.

Reflexive and semireflexive
This section discusses reflexive sentences such as "John saw himself," and "We like ourselves," and reciprocal sentences such as "We like each other." The basic form of the reflexive marker (REFL) is /atat-/ and it appears right after the pronominal prefix and before the incorporated noun, if any. The reflexive is typically found only on transitive verbs, but because there is only one participant in the event, we use the intransitive series of pronominal prefixes. Here's an example of a reflexive and a regular (non-reflexive) transitive for comparison.

waʔ-	k-		atat-	aehsęthw-	aʔ

FACT-	1.SG.AG-	REFL-	kick-		PUNC

'I kicked myself.'

waʔ-	sk-			aehsęthw-	aʔ

FACT-	2.SG.AG:1.SG.PAT-	kick-		PUNC

'You kicked me.'

In the non-reflexive transitive form there is a pronominal prefix, /sk-/ that indicates the subject ('you') and the object ('me'). In the reflexive form, there is only one participant in the act of kicking ('me'), so the intransitive form of the pronominal prefix is used, /k-/.

A reflexive action is something that you do to yourself. A reciprocal action is something people do to each other. Reciprocals must have at least two people involved. They are formed with the reflexive marker and the dualic prepronominal prefix discussed in section 3.4.1.1.2.4. Here is an example.

waʔ-	t-	hy-		atat-	yǫtya-	ht-	ęʔ

FACT-	DUC-	3.DU.AG-	REFL-	laugh-	CAUS-	PUNC

'They two made each other laugh.'

The semireflexive (SRFL) appears in a variety of circumstances that are not easy to pin down. The usual form of the semireflexive is /at-/, but certain verb roots take different forms. Listed here are some of the more common situations in which the semireflexive is used.

First, when a person's own body part is the object of the action a semireflexive is normally used. Here is an example with and without a semireflexive. Again notice that the form with the semireflexive uses the intransitive pronominal prefix while the form without the semireflexive uses the transitive pronominal prefix.

waʔ-	k-		at-	nęntsh-	a-	getsgw-	aʔ

FACT-	1.SG.AG-	SRFL-	arm-	JOIN-	raise-		PUNC

'I raised my arm.'

waʔ-	khe-			nęntsh-	a-	getsgw-	aʔ

FACT-	1.SG.AG:3.SG.F.PAT-	arm-	JOIN-	raise-		PUNC

'I raised her arm.'

Second, the semireflexive is used with verbs of grooming.

John	waʔ-	ha-		at-	yaʔt-	ohae-	ʔ

John	FACT-	3.SG.M.AG-	SRFL-	body-	wash-	PUNC

'John washed (himself).'

Finally, the semireflexive is used to describe events or actions that are internally caused or spontaneous.

waʔ-	w-		at-	ehnhohw-	aR-	k

FACT-	3.SG.N.PAT-	SRFL-	door-		apply-	PUNC

'The door closed.'

o-				at-		ųhwęjy-		yaʔk-	ih

3.SG.N.PAT-	SRFL-	earth-		break-	STAT

'The earth has caved in.'

waʔ-d-yų-adet-gwęʔd-ʔnegaꞏ-aʔ

FACT-change.of.state-she-self-belly-burst-at.one.point.in.time

"she blabbed, she revealed a secret" [literally, 'she burst her belly']

The constituent morphemes are separated by hyphens in the second line of the example. Each one is translated, as closely as possible, in the third line. It is important to understand that none of the component morphemes is a separate word, since they cannot be uttered, or understood, in isolation.

A second way in which linguists classify the morphology of languages is in terms of how the morphemes of a word combine. This distinction is between languages that are fusional and languages that are agglutinative. Fusion occurs in two ways: a single morpheme may have two or more functions (or meanings) in a given word or contiguous morphemes may affect each other's shape in such a way that it is difficult to segment the word into morphemes. A language is agglutinative if the morphemes composing a word each carries its own meaning and can be easily segmented from its neighbor. Onondaga is fusional (in the second sense of that term). Fusion is especially prevalent at the boundary between prefixes and the stem. Here certain phonological processes take place which change the shapes of one or both contiguous morphemes. For example:

ga-idęꞏ-ih

N.AG-help.out-STAT

"it is helping."

Languages are also classified in terms of the preeminent morphological processes they manifest. In Onondaga the two major morphological processes are prefixing and suffixing. Prefixes and suffixes are bound morphemes, that is, they are morphemes that cannot occur in isolation. Onondaga verbs must, minimally, begin in a pronominal prefix and inflect for aspect. For example:

ha-yę́thw-as

3.SG.M.AG-plant-HAB

"he plants"

Nouns must, minimally, begin in a nominal prefix and end in a noun suffix. For example:

ga-naʔjy-aʔ

N.AG-pail-noun.suffix

"pail"

Nominal Morphology
A basic noun is composed of the following three morphemes in this order: noun prefix, root, and noun suffix.

According to Woodbury (2003), nouns in Onondaga are categorized into two main classes. These are non-human and human. The inanimate nouns are further divided into natural and man-made. The prefix (NPRE) on the noun depends on these classes. For inanimate nouns, the prefix is either /o-/ for natural objects or /ka-/ for man-made objects. The noun forming suffix also depends on the noun class. It is /aʔ/ for non-human nouns and /-h/ for human nouns.

Noun incorporation
Noun incorporation is a process of compounding in which two stems, a noun and a verb stem, are combined into a new stem that is inflected with verbal morphology and that functions as a verb. Nouns occupying the semantic roles or thematic relations, of patient, theme, factitive theme, location, goal, path, or instrument are eligible for incorporation. Of these, it is nouns designating semantic patients and themes that are most frequently incorporated. Semantic agents, causers, and beneficiaries are not eligible for incorporation.

The first example shows that the nominal root -nęh- "corn" has been incorporated into the verbal complex forming a single word. The second example shows the noun /onęhaʔ/ ('corn') as a separate word and preceded by the particle neʔ, a particle which marks a following word or phrase as a nominal.

waʔ-ha-nęh-yęthw-aʔ

FACT-he-corn-plant-PUNC

'he planted corn' [literally, 'he corn-planted'].

waʔ-ha-yęthw-aʔ neʔ o-nęh-aʔ

FACT-he-plant-PUNC nominal.particle it-corn-noun.suffix

'he planted (the) corn'

Noun incorporation is a highly productive process in Onondaga. However, its productivity is an attribute of individual nouns and verbs. Every noun and every verb is lexically marked in terms of its incorporation characteristics. Some nouns incorporate frequently, that is, they can combine with many different verbs, others almost never. Among the verbs that can incorporate—and some do not incorporate at all—there is a continuum of productivity. At their most productive, verbs can incorporate one of any number of nouns, in fact, some verbs can only occur together with an incorporated noun. Verbs at their most unproductive can incorporate only a single noun. Between these extremes are additional types: verbs that can incorporate only a restricted set of nouns; verb and noun combinations that are highly idiomatic—these often denote conventionalized activities (e.g., English 'he information-gathered)—so that separating the noun, though interpretable, is perceived as inappropriate.

The use of noun incorporation is governed by various discourse factors. It is often used as a way of backgrounding information.

Word order
Word order is typically free in Onondaga (though see question formation below). It depends on various discourse factors.

Question formation
Wh-questions begin with the interrogative word:

gaę nų́ t-ga-nųhs-yę-ʔ

where place here-it-house-be.lying-STAT

"Where is the house?"

wadę́ʔ ni-hs-adyéꞏ-haʔ

what thus-you-do-HAB

"What are you doing?"

Yes–no questions are formed by appending the question-particle to the questioned item:

sa-idáʔw-ih khę́h.

you-be.asleep-STAT Q

"Are you asleep?"

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List of Seattle Mariners team records

The Seattle Mariners are a Major League Baseball (MLB) team who have participated in 46 seasons since their inception in 1977. Through July 16, 2022, they have played 7,156 games, winning 3,385, losing 3,769, and tying two, for a winning percentage of .473. This list documents the superlative records and accomplishments of team members during their tenures as Seattle Mariners in Major League Baseball's American League West.

Ichiro Suzuki holds the most franchise records as of the end of the 2012 season, with ten, including best single-season batting average, most career hits, and most career triples. He is followed by Edgar Martínez, who holds nine records, including best career on-base percentage and the single-season walk record.

Two Mariners players currently hold Major League Baseball records. Ichiro holds the record for most single-season hits and singles, obtaining both in 2004. Mike Cameron is tied with 14 others for the most home runs in a game, with four. Additionally, Gene Walter, a Mariner for the 1988 season, is tied for the American League lead in balks for a single game, which he achieved on July 18 in a game against the Detroit Tigers.

Individual career records

 * Batting statistics; pitching statistics

Individual single-season records

 * Batting statistics; pitching statistics;

Individual single-game records

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Team all-time records

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 * Statistics current through 5/5/23.

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Max Walker

Maxwell Henry Norman Walker (12 September 1948 – 28 September 2016) was an Australian sportsman who played both cricket and Australian rules football at high levels. After six years of balancing first-class cricket in summer, professional football in winter and study for a degree in architecture, Walker earned a place in the Australian cricket team in 1972 and represented his country in the sport until injury ended his career in 1981. Following his retirement, he worked as an architect and also commenced a career in radio and television media. He wrote 14 books over a period of thirty years and became a successful public speaker. His unorthodox cricket bowling action earned him the nickname "Tangles", and his larrikin character made him a much-loved figure with the Australian public. Walker died of multiple myeloma on 28 September 2016 after being diagnosed with the disease three years earlier. He was a part of the Australian squad which finished as runners-up at the 1975 Cricket World Cup.

Early life and education
Walker was born in Hobart, Tasmania, on 12 September 1948. While in high school he represented Tasmania as an opening batsman in their colts team, scoring a century in one match. After graduating from a Hobart high school in 1967 he relocated to Melbourne to play football and also enrolled in an architecture degree at the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology. He graduated with a fellowship diploma in 1973.

Football career
In 1966, while still a high school student, Melbourne Football Club coach Norm Smith visited Walker's family home in Hobart to sign him to the Demons. He relocated from Hobart to Melbourne in 1967 and made his VFL debut the same year. He spent six seasons with Melbourne, playing 85 games as a ruckman and defender and earning one Brownlow Medal vote in 1968. After returning from the Australian cricket team's 1972–73 tour of the West Indies, Walker informed the club that he would not be joining them for the 1973 VFL season, as the season was about to start and he needed to complete a thesis for his university degree.

Cricket career
Upon moving to Melbourne in 1967, Walker joined the Melbourne Cricket Club. Although he earned a reputation as a batsman as a junior, he was given an opportunity to open the bowling attack for Melbourne, which showed his true cricket potential. His strange bowling action, bowling right arm over his right leg, earned Walker the nickname of "Tanglefoot" which was quickly shortened to "Tangles". He made his first-class debut for Victoria in February 1969 against Queensland, the final match of Victoria's 1968–1969 Sheffield Shield season. Despite taking five wickets in the match, he did not get a chance to play in the 1969–1970 season due to the depth in Victoria's bowling. He earned a second match in December 1970 and became a regular in the 1971–72 season, playing a total of 135 matches for Victoria.

He made his test debut for Australia in the second Test against Pakistan that commenced on 29 December 1972. He took five wickets in the match and retained his place in the team for the next match, the final of the series. In that match, a final innings performance of 6–15 by Walker prevented Pakistan from winning the match. During the series he was selected for Australia's tour of the West Indies that ran from February to April 1973.

Walker played a total of 34 Tests, taking 138 wickets as a medium-fast bowler. He played in 17 ODIs between 1974 and 1981, as well as playing in the breakaway World Series Cricket from 1977 to 1979. His final match for Australia was the infamous underarm match between Australia and New Zealand on 1 February 1981. An Achilles tendon injury subsequently forced his retirement from cricket.

Post-retirement from cricket
After retiring from competitive cricket in 1981, Walker practised architecture for 10 years. He also became a highly regarded for his work in the media, including television and radio. He was also a successful author and public speaker.

Media career
Once he retired from cricket, Walker first appeared on radio, calling cricket for the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) with Drew Morphett and Alan McGilvray for four years from 1981. He was also part of the commercial radio cricket coverage run by 2UE and 3AK. His first television appearances date back to 1982, where he was the cricket expert on Channel 7's World of Sport. After moving to Channel 9 in 1985, he was also part of National Nine News Melbourne with Brian Naylor, reading sports reports on the nightly news. He also hosted the Nine Network's The Sunday Footy Show from 1993–1998 and Nine's Wide World of Sports program until it was cancelled in 1999. He was also a commentator for Channel Nine's cricket matches between 1985 and 1991. In 2005 he appeared on the Nine Network's sports show Any Given Sunday, hosted by James Brayshaw, as well as ABC2's sports program Late Night Legends featuring highlights of the 1974–75 Ashes series in which Walker had a prominent role.

Walker's distinctive broad Australian accent was parodied in several albums by The Twelfth Man (Billy Birmingham), including being featured as the central character on the 1994 album Wired World of Sports II. It follows Walker through a day at his job at the Nine Network in which he assaults co-host Ken Sutcliffe in order to increase his chances of regaining a place on the cricket commentary team.

He also appeared in television advertisements throughout his career, commencing with an Aerogard commercial in the mid-1970s. He also made a guest appearance on Red Faces for an episode of Hey Hey It's Saturday.

Writing career
Max Walker was also the author of 14 books, with total sales exceeding one million copies. His first book, Tangles (written with Neil Phillipson), was an autobiography published in 1976. His subsequent books contained light-hearted anecdotes from his career, with titles such as The Wit of Walker, How to Kiss a Crocodile and How to Puzzle a Python. His final book Caps, Hats and Helmets was released in 2006.

Public speaking
Following the cancellation of Nine's Wide World of Sports in 1999, Walker commenced appearing on the public speaking circuit. He turned it into a successful business and continued speaking until at least 2015. Walker held the designation of Certified Speaking Professional, which is the highest accreditation within Professional Speakers Australia. In 2016, he presented a keynote address at the Professional Speakers Australia annual convention. He received the Educator of the Year award from Professional Speakers Australia at that same convention.

Honours
On 13 June 2011, Walker was named a Member of the Order of Australia for service to cricket at a national and international level as a player and commentator, and to the community through a range of youth and social welfare organisations.

Personal life
Walker was married twice and had five children: three sons from his first marriage, and two daughters with his second wife Kerry. He was an avid collector of fountain pens and featured in one episode of the ABC's Collectors. Walker died from multiple myeloma on 28 September 2016, after being diagnosed in August 2013.

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User:Fuzzytek

Stephen Boyle (20-Aug-1961 - present) Activist, photographer, web designer and information technology consultant based in Detroit, Michigan. His nickname was self-adopted in 1998. Educated with a BS in Computer Science from Wayne State University 1979-1983, and MS in Business Information Technology from Walsh College of Business. He has been employed in corporate computing positions over 20 years, and freelancing over 10 years. Stephen has been taking photos of the dance club culture of Detroit since 2002. His artistic endeavors with photography have lead him to documenting an ever increasing array of street life around Detroit - events, fashion, activism.

When Occupy Detroit began in October 2011 his passion for bringing technology to community interests blossomed. He has delivered website development, content creation and social networking for various organizations involved in social, civic, and environmental justice around Detroit.

Stephen ran for political office in 2014 as the Green_Party_of_Michigan candidate for 14th Congressional District of Michigan

Creative Work
Stephen has been a member of the artists collective 'Living for Sundance', spawned by Thought Collide Productions.

He is also listed as a photographer member at a number of model/photographer online sites such as:
 * Model Mayhem member #478

Websites Constructed
The following are for various focused presence and partnerships.
 * Fuzzytek.com, editorial content from a community activist in Detroit, photos, graphics and more. Portfolio shows the various projects worked on.
 * 313FAD - Fashion Alive Detroit, providing face-to-face and online networking of metro Detroit's fashion community
 * Abandoned In Detroit, a fashion showcase project for local talent - photographers, models, designers, makeup artists, hair stylists
 * FreeDetroit, activism in Detroit demanding Home Rule by City Charter and freedom from State of Michigan takeover via Emergency Manager laws.
 * Bellant4Detroit.com, candidate for Detroit City Council, District 3 in 2014
 * Detroit Coalition Against Tar Sands, activists and environmentalists working with residents, workers, community groups, and other organizations to combat the continued use of fossil fuel and request moving to clean energy.
 * CitiesOfPeaceDetroit.com

Photo and Video Hosting Sites

 * Google+ photos
 * Smugmug - photos 2005-2012 (inactive, could not make required payments), (content removed and obscured by host)
 * FlickR - selected photos 2004-present
 * PBase - photos 2002-2005 (content removed and obscured by host)
 * YouTube

Live broadcasting of video for Occupy Detroit
 * Bambuser

Community Websites
Search for Fuzzytek on these and you'll find Stephen's footprint.
 * Facebook
 * Fuzzytek business page become a fan and keep in touch
 * Fuzzytek1 profile at capacity and no longer accepting new friends
 * Fuzzytek2 profile created when the 1st profile neared capacity of 5,000 friends
 * Instagram
 * @Fuzzytek
 * Pinterest
 * Fuzzytek
 * Twitter
 * @Fuzzytek
 * @313FAD

Antiquities of Community Websites
These are no longer active
 * Bebo
 * Bebo - inactive
 * Google+
 * +Stephen Boyle
 * +Fuzzytek Photography
 * Hi5
 * Hi5 - inactive
 * LiveJournal
 * LiveJournal - inactive
 * Multiply
 * Multiply - inactive
 * Ning
 * Missonline.com/Fuzzytek - inactive

Wikis of Interest

 * Detroit Wiki

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Wangtuan, Anhui

Wangtuan is a town located at the east tip of Lixin County, northwestern Anhui province, East China, bordering Mengcheng County.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pindut

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:45, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Pindut
Delete Non-notable slang. Used by a small number of people only. Kontrovert 16:15, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per Kontrovert. Tonywalton | Talk 17:10, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete; non-notable. Jaxl | talk 17:19, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete useless non-worthy stuff.
 * Delete as per User:Kontrovert. *drew 03:30, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

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List of Seattle Mariners broadcasters

The following is a season-by-season list of people who have worked on Seattle Mariners local radio and television broadcasts.

Current broadcast team

 * Rick Rizzs (1983–1991, 1995–present)
 * Dave Sims (2007–present)
 * Mike Blowers (2007–present)
 * Aaron Goldsmith (2013–present)
 * Dan Wilson (2012–present)
 * Gary Hill Jr. (2010-present)
 * Steve Guasch (Spanish language, 2023-present)

Former Broadcast team

 * Ken Brett (1986)
 * Nellie Briles (1985)
 * Jay Buhner (2002–2005, 2011–2012)
 * Chip Caray (1993–1997)
 * Julio Cruz (Spanish language, 2002–2021)
 * Ron Fairly (1993–2006, 2011–2012)
 * Bill Freehan (1979–1980)
 * Greg Gumbel (1991)
 * Dave Henderson (1997–2006, 2011–2012)
 * Ken Levine (1992–1994, 2011–2012)
 * Dave Niehaus (1977–2010)
 * Tom Paciorek (2001)
 * Amaury Pi-Gonzalez (Spanish language, 2003–2006)
 * Don Poier (1981)
 * Billy Sample (1992)
 * Joe Simpson (1987–1991)
 * Wes Stock (1982–1983)
 * Dave Valle (1997–2006, 2011–2012)
 * Ken Wilson (1977–1982, 2011–2012)
 * Alex Rivera (Spanish language, 2007–2023)

Radio broadcasts
Since 2009, and from 1985-2002 the Mariners' flagship radio station is KIRO 710 AM. Former flagship stations include KOMO 1000 AM (2003–2008) and KVI 570 AM (1977–1984).

Television broadcasts

 * Root Sports Northwest (FSN formerly Northwest Cable Sports and Prime Sports Northwest; 1993–present)
 * KSTW 11 (Independent formerly The CW and UPN; 1981–1985, 1989–1992, 2001–2007)
 * KIRO-TV 7 (CBS formerly UPN; 1986–1988, 1990–1991, 1995–2000)
 * KING-TV 5 (NBC; 1977–1980)

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Chiapas Media Project

Chiapas Media Project was formerly known by the Spanish name Proyecto de Medios en Chiapas. The organization is now a Mexican NGO known as ProMedios de Comunicacion Comunitaria (Promedios.) It is now part of the Americas Media Initiative (AMI) and is solely a distributor of CMP/Promedios documentaries.

History
The Chiapas Media Project (CMP) was founded in 1998 by Alexandra Halkin and Paco Vazquez. CMP collaborated with indigenous filmmakers from Oaxaca in creating a program to teach video and computer skills to the autonomous Zapatista communities focusing on the communities of Morelia, Oventic, and, and to provide video cameras, editing equipment, and computers. Special training programs have focused on the empowerment of women.

Extensive documentation of the Zapatistas indigenous movement includes hundreds of videos, films, books, and websites created by external researchers and journalists. The introduction of CMP project represented efforts by the autonomous Zapatista communities to tell their own stories, in their own languages and from their own perspectives.

Work
With CMP, the Zapatista communities have produced videos on agricultural collectives, fair trade coffee, women's collectives, autonomous education, traditional healing, and the history of their struggle for land. With the Community Human Rights Defenders Network, CMP produced a video about the work of this group to educate other communities. Videos produced with Community Human Rights Devenders Network were used as evidence in court proceedings related to human rights abuses, resulting in compensation to indigenous families. In Guerrero, CMP worked with the Organization of Campesino Environmentalists to document and draw attention to the destruction of virgin forests in the region.

CMP/Promedios built four media centers in the state of Chiapas, including facilities for video production and satellite internet access. Zapatista videos have been screened at film festivals, college and university campuses, and other locations across the globe. Training was provided out of a CMP Media Center in San Cristobal de las Casas.

CMP organized delegations of youth from the United States to meet with human rights, religious, and women's organizations, travelling to other communities to screen current productions and meet with other indigenous groups.

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Stacey Hayes

Stacey Hayes (born 10 August 1976) is an English television infomercial spokesperson, comedian, actress, model and one-time competitive ice-skater. She was born in London, England and raised in Nebraska, United States.

Career
She has appeared in many magazines, television shows and movies including soap operas such as Days of Our Lives and The Young and the Restless, as well as primetime shows such as Las Vegas and Boston Legal. She has also tried her hand at stand-up comedy work at The Comedy Store, which helped her join as co-host for the 3rd season of Chuck Woolery's Lingo.

Recently, she has periodically made cameo appearances in Spike TV's show MANswers. She also appears as a pitchperson with model/actress Carmen Palumbo on internet entrepreneur/television personality Jeff Paul's Internet Millions infomercial nationally, as well as other "get rich quick" infomercials as of late 2010.

Television

 * Cry Wolfe (1 episode, 2015) as Victoria
 * Official Best of (2 episodes, 2011–2012) as Host
 * MANswers (7 episodes, 2007–2008) as Hottie On Treadmill / Pretty Woman / Hot Blonde Girl / Beach Babe / Watermelon's / Massage Therapist / Nagging Girl
 * Boston Legal (1 episode, 2006) as Model #1
 * Gene Simmons Family Jewels (1 episode, 2006) as Dancer
 * Las Vegas (1 episode, 2005) as Porn Star
 * Howard Stern (2 episodes, 2005) as herself
 * Casting Ripe Live (2005) as Co-Host
 * The Captain and Casey Show (1 episode, 2004) as Sexy Drink Girl
 * Lingo (65 episodes, 2003–2004) as Co-Host
 * The Real Roseanne Show (1 episode, 2003) as Model
 * Passions (2 episodes, 2002) as Maid / Clerk
 * Talk Soup (1 episode, 2001) as Unknown
 * Pajama Party (13 episodes, 2000) as Dancer
 * The Tonight Show with Jay Leno (1 episode, 2000) as Miss Texas
 * Later (1 episode, 2000) as Lotto Girl
 * Sunset Beach (2 episodes, 1999) as Flight Attendant

Film

 * Ghosts of the Abyss (2003) as herself (voice)
 * Sunset Strip (2000) as Groupie (uncredited)
 * Gun Shy (2000) as Hot Girl (uncredited)
 * The Debtors (1999) as Sexy Casino Waitress

Video game

 * Cy Girl (2004) (VG) as Coffy (voice)
 * Road Rash (1997) (VG) as Racing Driver #5 / Trophy Awarding #4 (voice)

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Talk:Theresa LePore

We luv Terry
As keeper of the Terry Lepore Fan Page and a Wikipedia contributor, I figure it's my civic duty to expand this article stub. Frankie 19 August 2005

suspicious
She sort of looks like Paula Jones. Gzuckier 17:33, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

205.188.117.65
If you dispute Florida's problems with Sequoia, please explain your reasoning. Frankie

Where is she now?
Just curious if anyone knows what Terry is doing now? I know there was talk of her working off her last six months working as an election fraud investigator. Havent heard any thing recently.

Violation of Law
According to this CNN article, the design of the butterfly ballot violated Florida law: Many of the voters said they had expected Gore and Bush to be the first two choices, as Florida law requires. Instead, they found Buchanan, on the opposite page, between them. Here is a regression analysis on the effect of the butterfly ballot. —204.42.16.184 01:54, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Sources removed
I have removed] two unreliable sources from this article. The first, "American Thinker," is a right-wing e-publication noted for publishing white supremacist, white nationalist and otherwise fringe viewpoints, and does not have, as WP:RS demands, a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. The second is a self-published website which also thusly fails WP:RS criteria, particularly for claims about living people such as LePore. Neither source is acceptable here. Our articles must be based on what is published in reliable secondary sources. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 18:17, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Kudos to you.  Jeff in CA (talk) 07:09, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Date of birth is needed.--109.252.100.73 (talk) 04:20, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

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User talk:Haddock420

Welcome!

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=1969, 2007= You are not alone. The Apollo programm was a hoax. It was telling and selling shit to people and still is. I have Bill Kaysing´s book at home: We Never Went to the Moon. The 30 Billion Dollar Swindle. I have read it. Kaysing cites NASA clearly: The fucking rocket of Apollo 11 weighted some 3000 tons. The Saturn-V engines delivered around 120 tons thrust. It´s easier not to trust them than to trust them. Kind Regards, Filmtechniker alias 80.219.86.190 17:07, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Awesome. Haddock420 00:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I didn't actually respond properly to this when I first saw it over a year ago, I just thought "Hey it's some crackpot being a moron." But I really do feel the need to respond to this. I know the guy who posted it isn't gonna read it, but still, I feel I should give this a proper response.

 * Firstly, according to Wikipedia, Apollo 11 weighed 46,768 kg, which is 103,105 pounds. That's 103 tons. So if your figure of 120 tons thrust is correct (I don't know if it is, I'm not going to bother looking it up), the rocket would've launched.

 * Secondly, what the fuck is wrong with you? Those astronauts risked their lives to help prove that space travel was a feasible goal. They were the first humans to land on a non-terrestrial body. At the time (and still even today) space travel was a dangerous and experimental thing. They knew they could die out there, but they still did it. What you said is unbelievably disrespectful.

 * Now, if the moon landing was actually a hoax, I would want to know about it. But I've looked up this stuff before, it wasn't a hoax. For every piece of evidence indicating it was a hoax, NASA has a perfectly valid scientific rationale for it. Why does the flag look like it's blowing when the moon has no air and thus no wind? The astronauts twisted the flagpole to get it into the ground, and since there's no air to create resistance, the flag contiued to move under its own inertia.

 * I have to admit, some of the evidence to the moon landing hoax does seem very convincing.... until you read into it, then you realize that's it's bullshit. Don't buy into conspiracy theories just because you want to be one of the people who "knows the real truth". Buy into them because they're true. If someone presents you with a conspiracy theory about something, don't accept what they say at face value. Research the evidence on your own, see if it checks out, and if it does then sure, go ahead and believe it. But to blindly believe a conspiracy theory is just as bad as blindly believing the government, which is something you conspiracy nuts love to chastise people about.

 * And "It's easier not to trust them than to trust them," what the hell kind of reasoning is that? This isn't about what's easy, it's about what's true. Grow a fucking brain. Haddock420 (talk) 16:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

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 * Done, sorry it took so long Haddock420 (talk) 18:18, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

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Chengguan, Mengcheng County

Chengguan is a town and the county seat of Mengcheng County, northwestern Anhui province, East China.

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List of chief ministers of Punjab, India

The chief minister of Punjab is the head of the government of Punjab. As per the Constitution of India, the Governor of Punjab is the state's head, but de facto executive authority rests with the chief minister. Following elections to the Punjab Legislative Assembly, the governor usually invites the party (or coalition) with a majority of seats to form the government. The governor appoints the chief minister, whose council of ministers are collectively responsible to the assembly. Given that he has the confidence of the assembly, the chief minister's term is for five years and is subject to no term limits.

Punjab Province (1937-1947)
The province of Punjab was then headquartered in Lahore.Under the Government of India Act 1935, a bicameral legislature was set up with a legislative assembly and a legislative council with a government headed by the Prime Minister. The Unionist Party won the Punjab Provincial Assembly elections, 1937 and Sir Sikandar Hayat Khan became the Premier of Punjab and hold the position up to his death in 1942. Khan was succeeded by Sir Khizar Tiwana. In 1946 elections were held the Unionist Party stood fourth place but with the support of Indian National Congress and Shiromani Akali Dal formed the government under Sir Khizar Tiwana. Tiwana later resigned on 2 March 1947 against the decision of Partition of India.

Patiala and East Punjab States Union (1948-1956)
Patiala and East Punjab States Union or PEPSU was an Indian state formed by the union of the post-partition province of Punjab on the Indian side of the border with eight princely states, which were allowed to maintain their native monarchs. The state was inaugurated on 15 July 1948 and formally became a state in 1950. Among these princely states, six were salute states:- Patiala, Jind, Kapurthala, Nabha, Faridkot and Malerkotla. The other two states were Nalagarh and Kalsia. PEPSU was earlier headed by the Premier, from 1952 the chief minister become the head of the government. On 1 November 1956, PEPSU was merged mostly into East Punjab (Punjab from 1950) following the States Reorganisation Act, 1956.

East Punjab (1947-1966)
The state of East Punjab was formed in 1947 later it was renamed Punjab in 1950. It consisted of the parts of the Punjab Province of British India that went to India following the partition of India. Since 1947, Punjab has had fifteen chief ministers. The first was Gopi Chand Bhargava of the Indian National Congress party, who was sworn in on 15 August 1947, when India gained independence from the British. He was succeeded by fellow Congressman Bhim Sen Sachar, who was then subsequently replaced after 188 days by former Chief Minister Gopi Chand Bhargava. After a brief term, President Rajendra Prasad placed the Punjab Legislative Assembly under suspension for ninth months to help the state government gets its act together. In 1952, the first state elections took place for the Legislative Assembly. The results of the election saw the return of the Congress government with former Chief Minister Bhim Sen Sachar as its leader. After he resigned in 1956, Partap Singh Kairon became chief minister. Serving until 1964, Kairon remains one of Punjab's longest-serving chief ministers. He was followed by the returning Chief Minister Gopi Chand Bhargava, who briefly held office as acting chief minister for only 15 days. In July 1964, Ram Kishan assumed the office and served for two years. His tenure was followed by the President's rule which lasted for 119 days. On 1 November 1966, the state of Haryana was partitioned from Punjab and some other districts were given to the state of Himachal Pradesh.

Punjab (Since 1966)
The first chief minister of the newly re-configured state was Giani Gurmukh Singh Musafir who led a Congress government from the Vidhan Parishad, one of only two to have done so. In the 1967 elections, he was voted out of power in favour of the Akali Das Sant Fateh Singh Group whose leader Gurnam Singh became the first non-Congress chief minister. Gurnam Singh's government was succeeded by three short-lived Akali Dal governments—Lachhman Singh Gill's government for less than a year and a little more than a year under the returning Gurnam Singh and Parkash Singh Badal. After 272 days under President's rule, the Congress party returned to power under the future President Zail Singh. In 1977, Parkash Singh Badal became the chief minister for the second time. Darbara Singh became chief minister in 1980 and remained in office for three years before a long period under President's rule. A brief interlude under Surjit Singh Barnala followed, after which three Congress-led governments took office—led by Beant Singh from 1992 to 1995, Harcharan Singh Brar from 1995 to 1996 and Rajinder Kaur Bhattal from 1996 to 1997. Upon taking office, Rajinder Kaur Bhattal became the first female chief minister of Punjab and overall the 8th female chief minister in India.

Parkash Singh Badal assumed office for the third time in 1997 and became the first chief minister, since Kairon's resignation in 1964, to serve a full term. Badal was succeeded by Congressman Amarinder Singh, who also successfully served a full term. In 2017 he became CM for the second time but failed to complete his tenure due to internal political factionalism and Charanjit Singh Channi became the first Dalit chief minister of Punjab just 6 months before the expiry of the 15th assembly.

Office
The office of the chief minister of Punjab is located at Punjab Civil Secretariat, Sector – 1, Chandigarh.

Leader of the House
A Minister designated by the Government to supervise the management of government business in the Legislative Assembly is known as the Leader of the House. The Rules of Procedure of the Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha define "Leader of the House". In both Houses, the leader of the house is a crucial official who directly affects how business is done. A House deputy leader may also be appointed by him. Government meeting scheduling and House business are under the purview of the Leader of the House. In addition, the Leader of the House serves as the legislative chair of the majority party. Rather than the Constitution, the Rules of the House specify the duties of the head of the house.

Role and Function
One important parliamentary official who has direct authority over the way the Legislative assembly operates is the Leader of the House. All of the government's policies are centered around him, particularly as they relate to the House's internal operations and measures pertaining to the conduct of its business. The Chief Whip resolves the specifics with the Leader of the House's agreement, although the Leader of the House is ultimately in charge of how government activity is organized. The Leader of the House suggests dates for the House's summons and prorogation with the Chair's approval. He is in charge of organizing the formal proceedings of the Parliamentary Session, including the introduction of legislation and motions.

Leader of House of Punjab Assembly
Since the formation of the Punjab Legislative assembly, the leader of the house of assembly is served by the Chief minister of Punjab. However there were two certain occasions when the Chief minister was the not the member of the house of legislative assembly and thus during that period of time, the role of the leader of house is served by person other than the chief minister. When Gopi Chand Bhargava became the acting chief minister of the Punjab in the year of 1964 after the resignation of the then chief minister Partap Singh Kairon, the role of the leader of the house was fulfilled by the Kairon even after his resignation. Second time, when Gurmukh Singh Musafir become the chief minister after the reorganization of Punjab in 1966, the predecessor chief minister Ram Kishan served as the leader of the house during the chief minister-ship of the Musaffir. In all other cases, the chief minister of Punjab also serves as the Leader of the House.

Key

 * Colour key for party of the chief minister
 * {{legend||Aam Aadmi Party|border=1px solid #AAAAAA}}
 * {{legend||Indian National Congress|border=1px solid #AAAAAA}}
 * {{legend||Shiromani Akali Dal|border=1px solid #AAAAAA}}
 * {{legend|#FF8000|Akali Dal-Sant Fateh Singh|border=1px solid #AAAAAA}}
 * {{legend|#800000|Punjab Janta Party|border=1px solid #AAAAAA}}
 * {{legend|blue|Unionist Party|border=1px solid #AAAAAA}}
 * {{legend|#DDDDDD|Independent||border=1px solid #AAAAAA}}

 * Other key
 * No.: Incumbent number
 * Assassinated
 * Died in Office
 * Position Dissolved

 * {{legend|wheat|Acting Chief Minister|border=1px solid #AAAAAA}}


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Talk:Exit plan

Aw, guys, why delete it?

The reason given is dicdef. I can't seem to find any list of reasons for deletion so have to guess that dicdef is something to do with dictionary definition. Would be glad if someone can point me in the right direction.

title: Talk:Exit plan