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Talk:Open source (disambiguation)

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Who is "Aqw31Qh3" and why are they messing up the Open source (disambiguation) page throughout its recent history?

I intentionally titled a section "As software" rather than "Software" to alphabetically keep that section first at the top as it's the most common usage.

I intentionally titled a section "In agriculture, economy, manufacturing and production" rather than "Agriculture, economy, manufacturing and production" to alphabetically keep that section lower down from the top. Also, I don't have a better title for the section and "In media", "In popular culture", etc are common enough that I think "In" seems short and concise and better than other more verbose associations. ~  JasonCarswell   (talk)   14:24, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

 * I don't know who "Aqw31Qh3" is, but it appears they think they have to sign their edits. As far as section titles, my objection to "In" or "As", etc. is grammatical - it lacks a subject. Maybe "Open source as software", etc. would be better. I don't think the sections have to be in alphabetical order, arrange them in any order that fits. I agree software should be the top, as that is top-of-mind. Wiki is complaining about the number of pages that link to a disambiguation page, maybe it should be split, or the incoming links changed as suggested. Peter Flass (talk) 14:38, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

 * We think changing Open source to a WP:broad concept article can solve the disambiguation issues. Skip to near the end of the next section relocated from my talk page.  ~   JasonCarswell   (talk)   14:13, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Albums?
I don't know why, but I looked at the Talk:Open-source (with a dash) page and found only. So I've moved it here, at the top. Delete it if you see fit. Talk:Open source (disambiguation) was empty but for a redirect to here that I've copied to Talk:Open-source (with a dash). ~  JasonCarswell   (talk)   14:24, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I also have no idea why the Albums Project template is here. I will remove it. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk|Contribs) 14:47, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

User_talk:JasonCarswell "Open source" discussion archived and copy-relocated here...
Hello. I see that you have changed the target of redirects Open-source and Open source. Please can you help us to fix the resulting mis-directed links? The disambiguation page Open source (disambiguation) now has 4,573 bad incoming links (which is as many as the other 295,000 disambiguation pages have in total). I've fixed about 500 of them with template edits but we're going to need some help here! Thanks, Certes (talk) 01:21, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Now down to 4,277. That's several editor-days work. The move also created a WP:MALPLACED error. Narky Blert (talk) 10:21, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Hi. I hope it was the best thing to do.  I wasn't sure but I really think it is and figured if ever there was a time to "be bold", this was it.  I'm happy to help but my experience is limited.  Is there a script/addon/app for such a thing?  I apologize for creating a mess but my intentions are good.  I am committed to fixing every bad link, even if it takes a days.  I'm having trouble finding the "what links here" thing. ~   JasonCarswell   (talk)   12:50, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, found it. More persistence paid off. ~   JasonCarswell   (talk)   13:03, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Pages that link to "Open source"
 * Pages that link to "Open-source"
 * Is there a place to submit requests for bots to do specific tasks like these? This seems like something they might do best. ~   JasonCarswell   (talk)   13:09, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I asked about bot stuff at Village pump (technical). ~  JasonCarswell   (talk)   13:22, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Thanks for helping out. A bot could help but only if we can give it an algorithm for deciding the new destination of each link.  My tool of choice when many pages link to one dab is WP:DisamAssist.  DabLinks can also do the job but is better suited to the opposite case where one page links to many dabs. Certes (talk) 14:21, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

 * It occurs to me that I may be doing work that is only half way so I've stopped until I get feedback. My edits between my first note above (12:50, 18 November 2018 (UTC)) and whatever this time stamp is may need addressing to.

 * To my point, I'd been simply find/replacing "open source" and "open-source" to open source . (I don't think I missed capitals starting sentences.)  That may be a patch/band aid for the redirect issue, but it might really be better to actually read the context to specifically insert a better pipe to these top three uses: "open-source licence", "open-source model", and "open-source software".

 * I wrote the above while you were posting your note. ~  JasonCarswell   (talk)   14:32, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

 * As you say, it's better to find a more specific article, e.g. divert Foo is an open source goat simulator to Open-source software. Open source (disambiguation) isn't usually the best destination. Certes (talk) 14:43, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Also, who is "Aqw31Qh3" and why are the messing up the Open source (disambiguation) page throughout its recent history? More importantly I also added some other page specific comments to Talk:Open source (disambiguation) and would appreciate feedback, comments, endorsements and/or criticisms. ~  JasonCarswell   (talk)   14:24, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

 * User:Aqw31Qh3 was blocked indefinitely on 30 October. However,  suggests that they may still be active. Certes (talk) 14:40, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Those edits don't even make sense for a vandal. Looks like a virus bot on a rampage of insanity.

 * Any chance you can tell my how your process and how you go about fixing the "open source" issue? I stopped what I only started to do and I feel like there must be a better way.  ~   JasonCarswell   (talk)   14:52, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Vandals don't follow rules! It looks like an attempt at publicity for, er, something.
 * I'm using DisamAssist and deciding the link mainly on the type of thing being discussed. Usually they're in phrases like "X is an open-source Y" and the link depends on whether Y is a type of (or synonym for) software, licence or movement.  If none of the above then I check the less common meanings and, if in doubt, default to open-source model, though that is mainly about software. Certes (talk) 15:12, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Certes, I think the DisamAssist might be what I'm looking for. I found it on WikiProject Disambiguation with some other potentially neat tools. ~  JasonCarswell   (talk)   15:25, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

In added the DisamAssist line to my User:JasonCarswell/common.js but I can't seem to use it or even find it under the "More" section. Any hints or tips? ~  JasonCarswell   (talk)   16:09, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Also, I'm retracing my earlier disambiguation edits to better direct them but I'm finding many of them are changed. I think we are overlapping. What's the best solution? ~  JasonCarswell   (talk)   16:17, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

 * I've made a start using DisamAssist. The order in which it presents pages looks random but is probably the same for everyone (e.g. oldest first).  That does tend to make us trip over each other.  In particular I'll have been shown the pages you already changed to add " (disambiguation)", though not those you changed to some other link.  I skipped or wasn't shown 11 of them: list.  Do you want to carry on from here while I do something else for a while? Certes (talk) 16:34, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Thanks for promptly replying. I have a bunch of things...
 * I don't know why my DisamAssist isn't working. Everything I've done thus far is manual.  I hope there's a better way.
 * I was only trying to go back through those I'd already half-changed to fix them properly. But I have a new idea...
 * There are two pages of lists, you can take the first with dash and I'll take the second without dash:
 * Pages that link to "Open-source"
 * Pages that link to "Open source"
 * I'm guessing you were editing the disamb articles (some of which I'd "fixed") randomly rather than going through my history. If you were going through my history, that's fine but I'd like to know so I don't do it over to catch the ones I missed.  Or maybe I should just skip it as they're mostly disamb and we should catch them anyways.  Whadyu think?
 * Someone moved Open source (disambiguation) to Open source which seems good, however...
 * I don't know if or how that might affect our "mission".
 * I don't know if the Open-source (with dash) and other related things are redirected or need addressing.
 * I was going to add a thing to the disambiguation page and somewhere along the line the context of a specific line was utterly distorted and placed out of context. I mention this only because you had part in adjusting it.  This is the proper context:
 * Free and open-source software, or (FOSS) or (FLOSS), is Free/Libre referring to freedom not the price
 * "Free and open" should not to be confused with "public ownership" (state ownership), "deprivatization" (nationalization), nor anti-privatization.
 * Granted the "anti-privatization" should be "anti-privatization", but someone moved it up to "Software, Not to be confused with state ownership or nationalization." which makes no sense at all. While out of character for a disamb page, it is a critical distinction that needs to be present on this disamb.  So I've reverted and tweaked it with a note, but I'm open to feedback if you object.
 * Let me know if there's anything else I missed or should or can do to help.
 * I don't know why my DisamAssist isn't working. (Repeated in case you forget.)  Thanks. ~   JasonCarswell   (talk)   17:20, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

 * DisamAssist saves loads of time and it's worth trying to fix. Your common.js looks right.  Do you have a "More" tabs next to Read - Edit - View History at the top of the page?  If so then (on a disambiguation page) select More → Disambiguate links.  (Ignore Page → Tools → Disambiguate links, if you have that: it's DabLinks, which is a great tool for a different job.)  If that doesn't work then please let me know which bit is missing.
 * I can take the with-dash links. DisamAssist will put up both but I can skip those without a dash.
 * I was editing articles suggested by DisamAssist. I didn't go through your history, as I was trying (unsuccessfully) to avoid duplicating your work.
 * Yes, moving Open source (disambiguation) to Open source is good per WP:MALPLACED. The only effect on our "mission" is that we can no longer use DisamAssist to fix links to Open source (disambiguation).  There are only 11 of those, and some may well be correct.  Would you like to look at the 11 first, as DisamAssist won't help us there?
 * A bot has fixed redirects such as Open-source to point directly to Open source (rather than to Open source (disambiguation), which is now itself a redirect).
 * Yes, the bit about FOSS no longer makes sense. Maybe it should be in a confuse hatnote.  On the other hand, it's fairly obvious that "free and open source" means open source (in some sense defined on the dab) plus free (in some sense), and it's not really Open source's job to distinguish free speech from free beer.
 * Hope that helps, Certes (talk) 17:45, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

 * I was about to write you when I found you'd already written. So I accidentally found the DisamAssist.  I was finessing the Open source page and glimpsed in a hover over the "More" tab.  I feel stupid.  Of course you put a DisamAssist on the disambiguation pages.  I was looking for it on pages from those 2 lists I linked above.  So now I can see why I came at it all from the wrong direction.  As far as the dash or no dash, forget it all.  So sorry for wasting your time.  Thanks for the trouble of writing all that.  I can handle the 11.
 * I guess I've got to explore these other tools too.
 * Your comments made me reassess and I feel I've fixed the FOSS but I'm open to further discussion if you think it can be improved.
 * I think as far as disambiguation goes, I agree that concise clarity is key, but so does removing confusion and this is terribly misunderstood by most folks.
 * I also feel I've fixed an issue with "As software" and "In agriculture..." that someone else changed, and I made my argument in a code note why if anyone considers changing it. ~   JasonCarswell   (talk)

 * I don't think DisamAssist is working correctly. I've tried several times to edit a dozen or two then when I close it said, every time, that it was saving only 2 edits.  WTF?  Also, I'd done the same ones several times.
 * Also, after going through these I'm finding that the context doesn't really matter much and that most of them are to software, occasionally license, rarely model, and little or none others, while more often than those last two I find myself going in to extend the "open source" to also include the word following it, like software or license.
 * I can't tell if my sudden lack of enthusiasm is because I hit a wall and need a nap or if this moot disambiguation problem is legit. Initially I felt partly responsible for breaking links or whatever, but now I think it's just inherent ambiguous usage of the term that everyone already uses non-specifically that I've accidentally unveiled with the wiki machine.
 * I feel bad for promising the world, but now I think the world won't care if I don't correct it's grammar. For whatever it's worth, I'm still sympathetic to the disambiguation warriors correcting this issue.  ~   JasonCarswell   (talk)

 * Also, I'll get to the more than 11 tomorrow. ~  JasonCarswell   (talk)   19:41, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Your contributions show dozens of successful fixes using DisamAssist. The way it works is a bit unusual: it saves edits automatically but buffers the last two so you can Undo them.  When you finish and click Close, it saves the last two; the others have already been saved.  (There's also a limit of one save per 5 seconds so, if you click fast, a queue of more than two can form.)  If you stop and restart later, any pages you've skipped will be presented again before moving on to the later ones that you've not seen yet.  You shouldn't see pages you fixed again, but you will see pages you decided not to fix.
 * An alternative is to reformat Open source as a broad concept article, in which case links could continue to point there. Even if we go down that route, we're still improving Wikipedia by, for example, linking a statement like "MediaWiki is open source" to the specific article on open-source software rather than to one about open source in general.  Certes (talk) 20:08, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Broad concept article (BCA) continued...
Thanks for the info. It seems to me that the DisamAssist should have a little User Manual or further description. I quoted us at User talk:Qwertyytrewqqwerty/DisamAssist. I hope you don't mind. Most of my DisamAssist edits I gave a triple check just to be sure because I'd rather be correct with less than mostly correct with more, but some were obvious and quick. And I skipped a bunch because I couldn't tell. The 5 second rule makes sense but it is limiting. I didn't like seeing the ones I'd passed on again.

I read that broad concept thing and it sounds perfect, I think. I have a few ideas...
 * If I'm not mistaken, it would retain its disambiguation-ness - and tag?
 * Is there something else (ie. tag, notice, declaration, etc) that needs to be done to be a "Broad-concept article"? Or just on the talk page?
 * We don't really need to change the page/list, though brief summary paragraphs may be added to each section, and of course the 3(4) main usages (license, model, software, and FOSS).
 * I'd get a kick if Open source were added to Broad-concept article. If I were to add it it might attract constructive assistance, or (in my opinion) butcher editing - of which I'm always afraid - editors with their rigged rules and stuff claiming to "simplify" when they're censoring and deleting information down to stubs (meanwhile Evel Knievel's page is book length because it's not important).  I've decided to propose it under Wikipedia talk:Broad-concept article.

~  JasonCarswell   (talk)   12:04, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Broad concept articles are not disambiguation pages. A BCA is about one (broad) topic, whereas a dab lists topics which may be unrelated except for the name clash (Mercury (planet), Mercury (element), Mercury (mythology), …).  Links to BCAs don't show up on the "links to dabs" reports, which is a double-edged sword: we don't feel obliged to fix them, but such links might be better directed to a subtopic.
 * A BCA is an article, so the page should be rewritten as prose rather than lists and become subject to the usual requirements such as sourcing. It would lose the disambiguation tag.  We could give the talk page tags like WikiProjectBannerShell from Talk:Open-source model.  But I'm a WikiGnome rather than an article writer.
 * We should probably summarize these thoughts on Talk:Open source and inform relevant projects such as WT:WikiProject Open and WT:WikiProject Disambiguation to get a wider audience before boldly changing anything.
 * Other opinions are available. Hope that helps, Certes (talk) 12:44, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

 * So I went back and tried to discover how I got reversed, or rather thought it was more of an expanded disamb, but I can't nail it down where. I'm not the only one as others are also confused in the Wikipedia talk:Broad-concept article.  It might have been the "A disambiguation page should not be created just because it is difficult to write an article on a topic that is broad, vague, abstract, or highly conceptual."  This time I took a look at the format of the examples and get a better idea.
 * I am all for expanding it to a BCA as long as it doesn't loose the majority of the collected information there now.
 * Also, I won't be able to do it with any speed (could take a month or even more for it to even out and calm to a din), though I expect others might help.
 * And as a BCA I'm guessing it would relieve the alarms about disamb links.
 * I'm going to archive this conversation in my User archives and copy it to Talk:Open source as I believe you had the good idea to do so (as I'd been thinking about for a while but I'd already pointed other places to here). If this move is a mistake please forgive me and I'll undo it.  I'll try to address the summaries from there after this move.
 * I've enjoyed our conversations and greatly appreciate your help and knowledgeable experience. I hope to grow up to be a WikiGnome like you.  ~   JasonCarswell   (talk)   14:13, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

A good way to start a broad concept article from a dabconcept disambiguation page is to take the lede paragraphs from each article that most reflects the broad concept representing the primary topic, and then chisel away any parts that are redundant between them. bd2412 T 01:16, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Is there a tag, hatlink, banner or whatev to indicate that a disamb page is in transition to a BCA? Or is one expected to make a giant leap all at once?  Also, might it be good to copy the current short-ish Open source to Open source (disambiguation) if the former were to become a lengthy BCA or is that just over redundant?
 * Also, I'm thinking of moving most of the "Open" stuff in the "See also" up to appropriate places above only if they contain the spirit of the meanings, and/or, because many of them have "Open-source" redirects. For example, Open-source data redirects to Open data.  Something needs to be added regarding "Open" as an occasional truncation of "Open-source" but I feel I have to think about it a bit.
 * (I usually prefer to display the direct target, yet there are exceptions. For example,
 * should not to be confused with public ownership, deprivatization, or anti-privatization, nor transparency.
 * is much better than
 * should not to be confused with state ownership, nationalization, or anti-corporate activism, nor transparency (behavior).
 * because some things get lost in translation/redirection.) ~   JasonCarswell   (talk)   05:44, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Broad-concept article marks a dab which should be considered for conversion to a BCA. Putting that on whilst conversion is progress should get the message across.
 * Yes, "See also" is a last resort. Writing some prose about how those articles are relevant to open source would be better.
 * A separate dab is only needed if "open source" has meanings beyond the broad concept of source that's open. For example, we could put Open Source (radio show) on it.  However, that's the only such article that I can find, so we should use a hatnote instead.  In fact,  (capital S) still redirects to Open-source model.  That redirect is used in about 300 articles and the User Open Source userbox, and we may want to be bold and retarget it to the BCA once its conversion is complete. Certes (talk) 11:14, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

 * All very good to know. Thanks.  I agree with everything you said, including the "Open" stuff, to which I'd also add something on "Libre".
 * Open-Source (capital S and dash) also still redirects to Open-source model.
 * Someone jumped the gun and added a before we decided what to do then someone else reverted it with: "sorry, no, the problem here is that the primary topic is wikt:open source. we already have too many closely-related competing 'broad concepts' here; don't encourage the creation of yet another. the problem here is WP:OVERLINKing. Would be like saying open and source both needed to be broad concepts too. These all need disambiguated to open source more specific."
 * I have mixed feelings about this. I like brevity but I also prefer not to hunt and dig for information, especially for such a broad and important topic as this.
 * I kinda think BCAs for open and source might be too simple general concepts/terms/words (where Wiktionary suffices), though I suspect they might benefit with a brief contextual sentence linked to this open-source BCA, assuming it gets made.
 * There already are lists of open source this and that but maybe there needs to be a "master" Open source list so this lengthy disambiguation list can be trimmed down and re(disambiguation)ed while this Open source becomes a BCA? Is this idea good, bad or ugly?
 * I have many other wiki projects I'm working on or tweaking, on WP and beyond, when I can, but I suspect this unintentional snowball may be one of the most important page I've swept up by and "adopted" - or been allowed to (I was censored/banned for 2017 for being "another polite truther" in a world of lies, exploitation, phony wars, false histories, and giant criminal secret agencies accountable to no one). This will be a big BCA and I tend to dive in and not stop until I finish or get distracted or pulled away, though this one is more important - I just don't know I want to do it in the near future, however long it may take.
 * One thing I should know how to do properly, but I don't know the correct terminology for it, is to copy/paste from other Wikipedia articles. What's this called?  And is there a name for the process of editing/refining it down, and when is it no longer "plagurism" after I edit/mangle their original words/research/citations/etc.?
 * Out of curiosity, do you use Visual Editing or Source Editing? I like the precision of source but wonder if I should actually try the visual editing for assumed conveniences. ~   JasonCarswell   (talk)   19:47, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Let's be very clear here. If this is going to be a disambiguation page, which is basically an index of terms with titles matching the ambiguous term, then it will be formatted to conform with the editing guidelines for disambiguation pages. That means about 2/3 of the content currently on the page will be removed, leaving only a bare list of links to things known specifically as "Open source" and excluding non-matching titles like "Open-design movement", and partial title matches like "Open Source Geospatial Foundation", "Open Source Cinema", and everything under the "Organisations" header, as well as all the portal links, the "See also" section, and all categories not related to the disambiguation function of the page. If this is something other than a disambiguation page, then those things can remain.  bd2412  T 20:04, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Does this mean you endorse both, a trimmed disambiguation page with a broad concept article? Should we vote?  Or just be bold?  ~   JasonCarswell   (talk)   20:16, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

 * I have now done most of this. Some further reduction may be warranted to the extent that remaining titles are not synonymous with the disambiguated title. There appear to be two genuinely ambiguous topics, a radio show and a 1960s rock song, although the song does not appear in the target article, and if it is not mentioned there, should be removed for failing to meet WP:DABMENTION. If the only topic actually ambiguous to the phrase is the radio show, then we have an effective WP:TWODABS situation, and the page should be deleted altogether. bd2412  T 20:20, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, TLDR, but, most broadly speaking, virtually everything here is a partial title match, so is not valid for a "pure" disambiguation. So the way to make it pure is to replace it with Wiktionary redirect or delete it entirely. Editors simply should not be linking to [ [open source]], that's like linking to slightly (we do have several two-words titles that begin with that word). We've tried avoiding this issue by forcing a primary topic for too long now, I guess, so time to bite the bullet 'cause software isn't the undisputed primary topic anymore. I started working on this the other day and I'll get back to it now. Here's the 35 edits I've already made; browse through them to see my solutions. Note that sometimes the solution doesn't even incude the word "source" as that's optional: [ [open-source]] data → open data. This should be done even if someone does take the time to merge snippets from everything on the current dab to make a comprehensive broad article because WP:SPECIFICLINK. – wbm1058 (talk) 20:39, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

P.S. Can't you just make all these partial title matches a WP:Set index? wbm1058 (talk) 20:44, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Disambiguation pages disambiguate specific phrases, not the concepts they might imply. Yes, we could restore the untrimmed version of the phrase as a set index. I'm not convinced that the previous redirect is, in fact, not the primary topic. When the dust settles, if there is no consensus for a specific course of action, we may well end up restoring the status quo ante, which is the redirect to Open-source software. bd2412  T 20:57, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Apologies if this has been addressed. There was an edit conflict and long short, I'm pasting it here for posterity.  I tried to say the following few paragraphs...
 * Bold indeed. But I think where I admittedly went overboard with links, assuming we'd discuss and whittle it down, I see you went overboard cutting back. When I started it was because I found a profound lack of information here. Now the size of your current cutback version is almost identical to the one I started from, but your version is vastly better than that one IMHO (I don't know why the TOC was on the right but now it's obvious it's better "normal"), though I think you went too far. Why do all the Organizations and See also and every list have to go? And the Wiktionary link. I've seen far bigger disambiguation pages for more trivial things. Obviously I put lots of effort into this page and intend to on the BCA, and I care about this topic so I'm invested more than usual. Normally I don't mind when other work is edited as I either don't think it's important, worth debating, or it's actually an improvement. So I'm unfamiliar how to proceed. How do we civilly hash this out? Or do I just make bold changes again? I don't want to get into an edit war but I also strongly feel far too much has been tossed.
 * Since it seems that a BCA is eminent I'd also like to ask your expertise on the following... While discovering so many of the "open source" related links I came across a lot of stubs and it seems to me many, though not all of them, might be folded into the BCA and/or "unified collection(s)" for lack of a better term. For example, a new "Open source organizations" article of items formerly under "Organizations", could absorb a bunch of otherwise semi-random stubs, subcategorized into appropriate sections (ie. license, model, movement, software, etc).
 * Also, what do you think of a "Open source lists" which could be more like "my" version of the disambiguation but with even more links and lists and the contents of the "See also" with "Open" and "Libre" type things listed too? I'm not sure I should be asking, or even asking you, or if I should rather just be bold. Maybe Certes will weigh in. ~  JasonCarswell   (talk)   21:27, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

 * I think others have covered the question, but as I've been invited to respond... Firstly, thanks to and others for making the page vastly more usable and recognisable as a dab, and for fixing many incoming links.  My apologies for not finding time to do more of that work myself.  We seem to have three main options now:
 * #Keep the page in its current form and deal with the remaining incoming links. Surprisingly I can't find pages with phrases such as "open source software":  I was going to start fixing them in a semi-automated way but perhaps some kind person got there first.
 * Replace by a BCA. That might be slightly better but is less necessary now that the page has improved, and the current list of topics may be easier to navigate than a wall of prose.
 * #Convert to a set index article. With minimal effort, that would do the job of a dab page but legitimise the remaining incoming links.  On the negative side, these topics aren't really a set in the same way as ships called HMS Example.
 * I think any of the three works, and we have time to canvass other opinions. Certes (talk) 23:25, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

 * YES!!! That's what I'm talking about - a "Set index". I think.  When I mentioned "Open source lists" in the paragraph above.  Also, I don't understand what the 35 edits are about.  Can you please explain a bit about what you're doing?  Are you also creating a BCA?  I wonder because you said, "I started working on this the other day and I'll get back to it now."  (FYI I haven't started a BCA yet, waiting for feedback.)  Also, I don't think "slighly" compares to the broad "open source" concepts, variations, applications, generalities, and specifics.  "Freedom" might be a better comparison.  (George Carlin joke: "If fire fighters fight fire, then what to freedom fighters fight?")  Yes the "Open-source" without the "Source" as implied or actually redirected was a dilemma for me, so that's why a significant part of the "See also" section was so huge.  On reflection I should have been more selective about adding all the "Peer-to-peer" things but I figured they could be trimmed rather than deleted with the rest of the related links.
 * What is the "status quo ante"? It seems clear to me there needs to be a BCA and I think we can at least reach a consensus on that, if not much much more, I'm hoping.  ~   JasonCarswell   (talk)   22:01, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I was thinking of the redirect open-source, which had previously redirected to one of the articles. bd2412  T 22:29, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

 * I don't even know what you're referring to. Why were so many links cut that were very valid? It's almost like you're suppressing open source. I'm not thinking of anyone in particular but a common name popped into my mind and I got a loooooooooong disambiguation list on my first try: John Taylor. I'm certainly not going to chop off names for brevity - so why were legitimately named "open source" and "open-source" and even "open" (with open-source redirects), and all but one related see also links removed? ~  JasonCarswell   (talk)   23:14, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

So, I just noticed Open Source (radio show), I guess that means we can't just redirect this to Wiktionary, hah hah. About this time I usually think of checking Britannica to see how they handle Open source... so they say it's a social movement, sounds good to me, Open source (social movement). Maybe that's our problem– no article there. Not all those 35 edits actually are on-topic, as I'm easily distracted so there's a bit of unrelated stuff there. Basoically I'm making edits to stop those pages from linking to here. Examples: The problem with the "primary topic" is that editors keep arbitrarily changing it to "more accurate redirect"... there's no consensus on what's the "most accurate". wbm1058 (talk) 22:38, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * maybe Open source technology should have a link to open source
 * maybe Open source technology should have a link to open source

 * I like the idea of a Open source (social movement), or more simply a Open source movement, beyond a Open-source-software movement. But I was first assuming to kind of either implicitly or explicitly fold that all under an Open source BCA that could be further expanded upon after, by you or whomever.  So you're de-disamb-ing, correct?  Not working on a BCA?  Are you in favour of a BCA?
 * A list of "open source" stuff with all of them on it is what I'm talking about. On my old over-linked disamb there were many "open source" with "technology" but I missed "Open source technology".  Then again, actually I just checked and "Open source technology" just redirects to "Open source model".  I don't see why OST can't be redirected to OS.  Much of the problem with the redirects is folks were forcing it into a category like license, model, or software when it's also a general term, movement, and so much more - which is why I felt compelled to start improving it.  Wbm1058, I salute you.  You're actually going through and assessing the context and correcting them.  I did a bunch the other day until I couldn't think straight.  Half of them are obvious, the rest take consideration and/or I skipped.
 * After considering the "more accurate redirect" dilemma, it seems that if a "Open source" BCA were created, until most of the thousands of disambiguation issues are made "more accurate", when in question the redirect should be herded to the disambiguation page to be collected and made "more accurate". For example, "Open source", "Open-source", "Open sourced", "Open source technology", etc.  It may take years to clear most of them up after which the default can be shifted from the disambiguation to the "Open source" BCA.  Though it now occurs to me that maybe a disamb and a BCA simultaneously might not be ideal.  Thoughts?  ~   JasonCarswell   (talk)   23:14, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

 * I'm not against you writing a broad-concept that merges together everything into coherent prose, if you're up to it. Not something I have time to tackle now. Just "disambiguating" to more specific links appropriate for the context in which the term is used in specific articles will be time-consuming enough. It's not just software anymore... hardware too, and data (Wikidata)! And other stuff too. – wbm1058 (talk) 23:26, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

 * "Open source" literally means that that source code is open to the public. When people talk about making an open-source structure or object or contents of data sets, it is literal nonsense, because these things don't have a source code. They are just backforming the phrase to apply to things to which it doesn't naturally apply. To the extent that this is a real-world phenomenon, we should be explaining that this is what happened, and how it happened, rather than merely spilling forth a list of things to which the term has come to be applied. bd2412  T 23:31, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Right, the Britannica article covers the origins in computer programming. Scroll down to the bottom of that and they mention Wikipedia "operates under an open-source management style" in the LEARN MORE section. wbm1058 (talk) 00:19, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

BCA Draft
I have created Draft:Open source with pieces of the main articles in this genre. Let's see what we can do with that. bd2412 T 00:36, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

 * It may have started referring to code but "Open source" can now easily be interpreted as "Open to the public" "Open concept" or "Open origins" where later versions may be open or proprietary, with or without restrictions. Regardless if it applies to virtual code or theoretical licences or to physical objects the term and concept is evolving like all language.  Open-source curriculum, Open-source governance, Open politics, Open-source religion, and Open-source unionism are new virtual concepts, and Open-source appropriate technology, Open-source architecture, Open-source cola, Open Source Ecology, Open-source hardware, Open-source product development, and Open-source robotics are new real-world examples.  The first instance, "Open source code" has truncated to "Open source", now further truncated to "Open" (concept).  More words after "Open" help specify it's usage (ie. open door vs open source) but "Open source" has outgrown those old narrow less accurate definitions.
 * BD2412, thanks for starting the draft. I'd forgotten about drafts.  I'd like to help.  It's a little overwhelming.  Can you please point to example articles worth emulating?  I feel like there are a few sections to create.  I don't know what the proper collaborative process is like, but I'm going to wing it and hope I don't bother anyone with my efforts.  ~   JasonCarswell   (talk)   11:34, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

 * I did some stuff to start. I didn't want to dominate it, nor over do it, nor do a lot that gets chopped so I'm going to rest and hope others build on it and/or add feedback.  ~   JasonCarswell   (talk)   13:05, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Please do feel free to dominate it for a while. For some guidance, I have a collection of broad concept articles that I wrote to replace disambiguation pages. Cheers! bd2412  T 14:54, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

 * If anyone like conspiracy theories in any serious and/or whimsical way you might take a look at today's front page of Wikipedia where you'll prominently find:
 * * "Triangle" is the third episode of the sixth season of the American science fiction television series The X-Files.
 * * Did you know... ...that the Ha! Ha! Pyramid (pictured), a monument commemorating a flood in La Baie, Quebec, is covered in 3,000 yield signs described by the designer as being similar to the Greek delta?
 * Yet they obviously omitted:
 * * November 22, 1963 – U.S. President John F. Kennedy is assassinated and Texas Governor John Connally is seriously wounded by Lee Harvey Oswald, who also killed Dallas Police officer J. D. Tippit after fleeing the scene. U.S Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson is sworn in as the 36th President of the United States afterwards.
 * Is it accident, coincidence, conspiracy, or tomfoolery? ~   JasonCarswell   (talk)   15:23, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

You mentioned earlier the possibility of a BCA here absorbing a bunch of stubs. Do you have some particular stubs in mind? bd2412 T 21:30, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

2016 moves
Looking at the logs helped refresh my memory of the last time I was involved in this headache-inducing topic:
 * 05:35, 11 March 2016 moved page Open source to Open-source model over redirect
 * 16:21, 3 November 2016 moved page Open-source model to Open source (reverting bold move, per Talk:Open source#Reversing the bold move of 11 March 2016
 * 00:25, 17 November 2016 moved page Open source to Open-source model (per Talk:Open-source model)

Really frustrating to see that all of that effort from two years ago was for naught, and find that we have an even less stable situation today. I'm giving up on this, to focus on easier stuff to fix. wbm1058 (talk) 03:14, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

How can we assure that, after the draft becomes the primary topic, as another article in addition to the "model", "license" and "software" articles, that two years from now someone doesn't drive by here and boldly move it to open source (term) because they decide that either "model" or "software" is the primary topic? From looking at how overlinked [ [open source]] is, I think the only way to assure that the "primary topic" links are not mislinks is to assume the bare minimum "modern dictionary" meaning of the term: not (!) closed source. Well, interestingly enough in the other direction software is assumed to be primary, but proprietary is ambiguous; I'd think that Ownership would be the primary topic for that. – wbm1058 (talk) 14:12, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It could be argued that Draft:Open source and open-source model have similar enough scope to be merged. If a discussion now, with suitably wide participation, decides on the right destination for "open source", then any drive-by moves later can be quickly reverted, with an invitation to start a new discussion if something relevant has changed. Certes (talk) 15:06, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The history of drive-by changes can be brought to a halt with a consensus-based decision for a solution, which would then require discussion and consensus to change. Also, re: Proprietary, I have previously initiated Draft:Proprietariness, which will eventually resolve that issue. bd2412  T 15:19, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

The dictionaries cited above are clear: the primary topic is open-source software. The rest are less popular generalizations and extrapolations of this more specific concept. fgnievinski (talk) 01:34, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 29 November 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) feminist (talk) 04:38, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Open source → Open source (disambiguation) – There is a clear broad-concept primary topic for this term, that being the concept of the information allowing the replication or modification of something being open to the public, for which Draft:Open source is in good enough shape to move to mainspace. As it stands, there are thousands of incoming disambiguation links which in many cases can't be fixed because they appear to refer to the broad concept rather than one of its narrow iterations. The only actually ambiguous concepts listed on the disambiguation page are a relatively obscure radio show, and a song which thus far fails WP:DABMENTION. Move this page to make way for the broad concept article. bd2412 T 03:13, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Support Clearly the primary topic over the song that as noted we don't even have mention never mind an article. Yes the article probably needs a bit of work to comply with NOTDIC but I'd say its good enough now. Note that the DAB page is currently marked as a level 5 vital article and that Particle was at AFD but is a level 4 vital article.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 06:13, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment. There is also, which redirects to Open-source model and has 1500 incoming links. Narky Blert (talk) 09:55, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Additional comment. I have been bookmarking pages which have links to open source flagged as dn, so cleaning those tags up after a move will be easy. Narky Blert (talk) 10:14, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Support per nom. It's a broad concept but a clear primary topic.  The next best alternative would be to merge the draft into Open-source model and move that page to (or make a primary redirect from) Open source.  The radio show deserves a hatnote.  Also retarget, , , , etc.  Whatever its result, thank you for raising this RM.  Changing the destination of  seems like a reasonable thing to do but can cause problems, and we need a consensus to point to if it happens again. Certes (talk) 11:51, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Neutral on the proposed solution, but only because I haven't been following the debate and feel unable to post a reasoned opinion. Support any solution which helps readers. I've looked at a few of the links-in, and found some of them impossible to decipher even after reading the article and the citations.
 * This problem must have been there for years without anyone noticing until JasonCarswell disturbed the flat stone it had been festering under. Narky Blert (talk) 20:20, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Support the primary topic, as well as pointing the redirects suggested by User:Certes to the primary topic. Dekimasu よ! 18:45, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

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Elizabeth Platz

Elizabeth Alvina Platz is an American Lutheran pastor and was the first woman in North America ordained by a Lutheran church body.

Platz was born and raised in Pittsburgh, in a family that attended church regularly, but was not religious. She won a scholarship to attend any college in Pittsburgh, and chose to study at Chatham College, where she graduated in 1962 with a degree in history. While there, she became interested in studying theology. After graduating, she enrolled at Lutheran Theological Seminary at Gettysburg, which was the only Lutheran seminary that would accept woman. While the other four women enrolled were all on the education track, Platz was able to persuade the administration to allow her to take on the Bachelors of Divinity program. After graduating in 1965, Platz served as chaplain for the Lutheran Campus Ministry at the University of Maryland, College Park.

In 1970, when the Lutheran Church in America (LCA) moved to allow women's ordination, Platz was one of the few women determined to be eligible for ordination immediately. In November 1970, she became the first woman to be ordained into the LCA. She continued to work at the University of Maryland for the rest of her career. While there, she advocated for better conditions for many groups, including graduate students and the custodial staff. She also was devoted to interfaith programming and established a fund in memory of her husband Wofford K. Smith, who had been the university's Episcopal chaplain. Platz retired from UMD in 2012, having worked 47 years as the chaplain at the Lutheran Campus Ministry

The ordination of women, approved earlier that year by both the LCA and The American Lutheran Church (ALC) was controversial. The ALC ordained its first woman as a pastor, Barbara Andrews, in December of the same year. The ALC and LCA merged in 1988 with the Association of Evangelical Lutheran Churches to form the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA).

At the 2005 Churchwide Assembly of the ELCA in Orlando, Florida, a special program was held in honor of the 35 years since Platz's history-making ordination.

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Ağrı

Ağrı (Agirî; Քարբեր ) is a city in eastern Turkey, near the border with Iran. It is the seat of Ağrı Province and Ağrı District. Its population is 120,390 (2021). Formerly known as Karaköse (Qerekose) from the early Turkish republican period until 1946, and before that as Karakilise (قره‌کلیسا; Ղարաքիլիսա), the city is now named after Ağrı, the Turkish name of Mount Ararat.

History
The current town center was founded around 1860 by a group of Armenian merchants from Bitlis with the name Karakilise (قره‌کلیسا, lit. 'the black church') that became known to the local population as Karakise, and this version was turned officially to Karaköse at the beginning of the Republican era. This name was changed to Ağrı by 1946.

In the years of 1927 to 1931, the region was under the occupation of the Kurdish separatist movements, which gained to establish an unrecognized state named Republic of Ararat which was led by several Kurdish leaders, some of the Main were Ibrahim Heski and Ihsan Nuri.

In the medieval period, the district's administrative centre was located at Alashkert, once an important town. The "kara kilise" or "black church" that gave the town its name was a medieval Armenian church. In 1895 H. F. B. Lynch stayed in Karakilise and wrote that it had between 1500 and 2000 inhabitants, was nearly two-thirds Armenian, and that a barracks for a locally recruited Kurdish Hamidiye regiment had been recently located in the town.

The Armenian population of the town and surrounding valley was massacred by tribal Kurds during the Armenian Genocide: a New York Times report from March 1915 talks of the Alashkert valley being covered with the bodies of men, women, and children.

Economy and infrastructure
Ağrı contains most of the industry in Ağrı Province where the main economic activity is Agriculture and Animal Husbandry. There is Ağrı Meat and Milk Factory and the ELDESAN leather factory is one of the biggest in the region. There is also a Sugar Factory, Shoe Factory Flour Mills, Agricultural Equipment manufacturing sites, brick factory, lime factory, furniture factory, dairy factory and textile mills.

In the south Ağrı counts with access to the Ağrı Ahmed-i Hani Airport in Yolluyazı. National and international flights arrive and depart from here.

North of Ağrı, there is a longwave broadcasting station with 2 250 metres tall guyed masts, broadcasting on 162 kHz with 1000 kW.

It is a very poor region with extremely cold winters. Most people live by grazing animals on the mountainside. Few people manage to attend university; people tend to marry in their teens and families with ten or more children are common. The local MP Fatma Salman Kotan has written of the need to erode the patriarchal nature of society in the region.

Demographics
On the eve of the First World War, 8,180 Armenians lived in the kaza of Karakilise. The city itself had a total population of 4,500, half of them being Armenians. The town had two Armenian schools.

Climate
Ağrı has a Mediterranean-influenced warm-summer humid continental climate (Dsb) under Köppen and a warm summer continental climate (Dcb) under Trewartha classification. Summers are generally brief but warm with cool nights. The average high temperature in August is roughly 30 °C. Winters are very cold. The average low January temperature is -16 °C. It snows a lot in winter, staying for an average of four months in the city. The highest recorded temperature was 39.9 °C on 10 August 1961. The lowest recorded temperature in Ağrı was -43.8 °C on 20 January 1972. The highest recorded snow thickness was 225 cm ( 88.6 inches) on 21 February 1985.

Notable people

 * Şakiro (1936-1996), Legendary Kurdish Dengbêj singer
 * Yaşar Ören (1942*), cross-country skier.
 * Celal Adan (1952*), Politician
 * Nizamettin Ariç (1956*), contemporary Kurdish singer, composer and director.
 * Abdullah Yilmaz (1961*), cross-country skier.
 * Erhan Dursun (1962*), cross-country skier.
 * Cesim Gökçe (1968*), Politician
 * Fatma Salman Kotan (1970*), Member of Parliament for Ağrı
 * Savci Sayan (1971*), Politician and currently Mayor of Ağrı
 * Şahe bedo (1976*), Kurdish Singer
 * Mehmet Emin İlhan (1979*), Politician
 * Berdan Öztürk (1980*), Politician
 * Dirayet Taşdemir (1982*), Politician
 * Türkan Erişmiş (1984*), middle distance runner
 * Adem Kılıçcı (1986*), amateur boxer in the middleweight division.
 * Nesim Turan (1992*), para table tennis player
 * Bayram Malkan (1994*), boxer in the light heavyweight
 * Zeynep Çelik (1996*), Paralympic judoka.
 * Kader Çelik (2001*), Paralympian goalball player
 * Cemal Kaya (1962*), Politician

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Winter Island

Winter Island is an island connected by a causeway to Salem Neck in Salem, Massachusetts. It is about 45 acre in size, and is bounded by Smith Pool to the northwest, Cat Cove to the west, Salem Channel to the south and east, and Juniper Cove to the north. The island has about a dozen residences at the north end and one road, Winter Island Road. The Plummer Home for Boys (now Plummer Youth Promise) sits on 18 acre of land on the northeastern shore. The balance of the island is Winter Island Marine Park. The entire island was added to the National Register of Historic Places as Winter Island Historic District and Archeological District in 1994.

Attractions
Winter Island Marine Park is located on the former site of the Coast Guard Air Station Salem. It's a marine recreational park open to the public. The park takes up the southern portion of the peninsula. The main attractions of the park are the historic Fort Pickering, the Fort Pickering Lighthouse, Salem Harbor, a boat launching ramp, and the former Coast Guard seaplane hangar and barracks. Fort Pickering is listed separately on the National Register of Historic Places.

In 2011, a master plan was developed for Winter Island, with help from the planning and design firm The Cecil Group of Boston and Bioengineering Group of Salem, and the City of Salem paid $45,000 in federal money.

History
Winter Island has seen use since the early settlement of Salem in the 1620s. It was first used as a fish drying and shipbuilding area by early colonial settlers, and was since the mid-17th century considered a strategic defensive point for Salem, which was by then on its way to becoming an economically important port. Fort Pickering was first built in 1643, rebuilt during Queen Anne's War and the American Revolutionary War, and continued to be fortified through the American Civil War. The sail frigate USS Essex (1799) was built at one of Enos Briggs' shipyards on the island in 1799. Fort Pickering Light was built in 1871, and the military use of the island was eventually transformed into a Coast Guard air station. Even this use was discontinued in the 20th century, and the island was turned over to the city, which established Winter Island Marine Park.

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Welcome to the Videos

Welcome to the Videos is a video compilation originally released on VHS and VCD in 1998. It features music videos by the American rock group Guns N' Roses. All the videos featured were made between 1987 and 1994. In many ways, it is a video forerunner to their Greatest Hits compilation album of 2004. It was released on DVD in October 2003.

Licensing issues prevented the inclusion of the "You Could Be Mine" video, as it featured clips from Terminator 2: Judgment Day.

The release was certified 2× Platinum by the RIAA, shipping over 200,000 copies.

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WJMK (AM)

WJMK (1250 AM) is a radio station broadcasting an oldies format, serving the Saginaw/Bay City, Michigan market from its transmitter in Bridgeport, its city of license. WJMK is owned by Northern States Broadcasting. WJMK broadcasts with a power of 5,000 watts daytime, 1,100 watts at night, directed towards the north.

As WKNX (1210 AM)
WJMK's history can be traced back as early as April 17, 1947, when the station first signed on the air at 1210 AM as WKNX, owned by Lake Huron Broadcasting. The station was like many of its day, programming a full-service format of music, news, and talk. For many years, it was also a leading Top 40 hit music station in Saginaw, competing with WSAM (1400 AM) and Flint's WTAC (600 AM, now WSNL).

Among the station's history was the acquisition of a sister television station in the 1950s, and was also the radio home of 1950s country music artist "Little" Jimmy Dickens. WKNX's resident "legend" would take form of University of Cincinnati graduate Robert Dyer, who joined the station in 1950 and remained a part of its staff for more than half a century.

In 1977, Lake Huron Broadcasting acquired an FM station in the Tampa Bay region of Florida -- WQYK-FM, a station that also carried a country format.

Move to Frankenmuth
The following year, in 1978, WKNX underwent a major change when it was purchased by Radiocom Limited, a company headed by Robert Dana McVay. WKNX's city of license was immediately changed to Frankenmuth, and the station's studios and offices were moved to 306 West Genesee Avenue in Frankenmuth, where it was later joined by a Tuscola-licensed sister FM station, WGMZ-FM (now WWBN), which programmed beautiful music. (The WGMZ calls and format moved from 107.9 FM, which became WCRZ "Cars 108" in 1984.) By the early 1990s, WKNX-AM was programming big band music and adult standards.

Radiocom owned WKNX and leased out WGMZ (which would later become country-formatted WKMF and move its operations to Flint) until 1994, when WKNX was purchased by Detroit-based Bell Broadcasting Company in a frequency swap involving another AM station in Bay City (1250 WXOX), which had been silent since the early 1990s.

Sale to Bell Broadcasting and frequency swap
Bell Broadcasting owned WCHB, an AM station licensed to Taylor, which operated at a daytime signal of 25,000 watts and a nighttime signal of 1,000 watts. WCHB was a talk station targeted to an African-American audience. The company's intent was to acquire WKNX's frequency of 1210 and silence it in order to provide WCHB with a 50,000-watt daytime signal.

WKNX would then acquire the license of WXOX, which had first signed on in 1956 as a station first licensed to Essexville. Over time, the 1,000-watt station, operating at 1250 kHz, began broadcasting from Bay City with its co-owned Pinconning-licensed FM sister at 100.9. By the end of the 1980s, both stations had separated ownership, ran into financial trouble and fell silent. 100.9 was spun off to a new owner in 1991, but WXOX remained silent.

Bell would then have WKNX assume WXOX's 1250 AM frequency and its abandoned three-tower directional transmitter site in Bridgeport. In January 1997, WKNX signed on at 1250 AM, and 1210 AM was placed at WXOX and assigned the new call letters WJZZ, though it did not sign back on from Frankenmuth or the surrounding area. (The former WXOX calls have since been recycled for a Cleveland low-powered TV station, now WTCL-LD.)

The FCC then granted WJZZ a request to change its city of license to Kingsley, a village near Traverse City, located on the other side of Michigan. The move allowed WJZZ to increase its power from 10,000 to 50,000 watts, as it was no longer in the path of WCHB. WJZZ was later sold and later became WLDR (now WJNL).

Sale to Frankenmuth Broadcasting
WKNX continued its format of middle-of-the-road music under the moniker "Memories 1250". Six months after the frequency change, WKNX was sold by Bell Broadcasting to Frankenmuth Broadcasting, a company owned by WKNX announcer John Blehm and his wife Kathy, who were committed to keeping the station in Frankenmuth. Four years later, the music became more rock-and-roll oldies-based and also added religious-based talk programming during the daytime hours.

WKNX was granted permission to broadcast at night two years later with a power output of 129 watts, directional. Concurrent with the application, WKNX moved its studio and office operations from Frankenmuth to its transmitter facility at 2850 Gabel Road in Bridgeport Township. In January 2004, Frankenmuth Broadcasting applied for a power increase from 1,000 to 5,000 watts. Two months later, Frankenmuth Broadcasting entered into an agreement to sell WKNX to the Meredith Corporation for $1.1 million.

WNEM
In the summer of 2004, the parent company of WNEM-TV, Meredith Corporation, purchased WKNX. Soon after the purchase, the call sign was changed to "WNEM" and shifted its studios to the television studio building in downtown Saginaw at 107 North Franklin Street. Unlike its TV counterpart, however, the AM station does not serve Flint or areas south of Saginaw County, due to the directional antenna array beamed towards the north. The station was also simulcasted via the Internet on WNEM's website, except for sports coverage. In a coincidental situation, WNEM-TV rival WEYI-TV was founded as WKNX-TV, a sister station to WKNX radio; it was sold off in 1972. This also once again gave WNEM-TV a radio sister, which they lost in 1969 when Gerity Broadcasting, which owned WNEM-FM (now WIOG), sold WNEM-TV to Meredith.

The FCC granted WNEM permission in January 2006 to operate at the new power levels with the addition of a fourth tower in its directional antenna pattern. At one point programmed as an all-news station, WNEM's primary programming later consisted of simulcasts of WNEM-TV's newscasts, syndicated talk shows (including Michael Patrick Shiels in the Morning, The Neal Boortz Show, and The Dave Ramsey Show), and syndicated regional sports and additional programming. WNEM picked up Detroit Red Wings ice hockey coverage in late 2005, making it mid-Michigan's only source of NHL hockey. Following the station's sale and format change, coverage of Red Wings games moved to WSGW.

The station was not profitable, as it had a poor signal in which it would drop from a daytime high of about 5,000 to 1,000 watts at night. Meredith looked for a buyer to no avail, thus looking to donate the station instead. By May 1, 2013, with Meredith giving up ownership, the station went dark.

WHHQ
On May 30, 2013, Meredith had donated WNEM radio's license, equipment, tower and land to Ave Maria Communications, which currently brokers all its Catholic-related programming on WMAX (1440 AM) in Bay City. The station changed its call sign to WHHQ on June 18, 2013. The two stations were to be complementary programmed. WHHQ simulcasted WMAX's programming, despite its considerable overlap of the parent station's coverage area. Ave Maria Radio later moved the studios to A-M Church Supply at 3535 Bay Road in Saginaw Township.

WJMK
On April 4, 2018, WHHQ was sold for $175,000 to Northern States Broadcasting Corporation. The station changed call letters to WJMK (last used by 104.3 FM in Chicago) on April 3, 2018, and picked up the MeTV FM easy oldies format originating on WRME-LP (87.7 FM) in Chicago run by Weigel Broadcasting. The station is simulcasted on FM translator station W257EO at 99.3 MHz, which can be picked up in the immediate Saginaw area.

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Im Sang-soo

Im Sang-soo (born April 27, 1962) is a South Korean film director and screenwriter. He has twice been invited to compete for the Palme d'Or at the Cannes Film Festival, with The Housemaid in 2010 and The Taste of Money in 2012.

Early life and film career
Im was born in Seoul. He studied sociology at Yonsei University in Seoul before making a move to the Korean Academy of Film Arts (KAFA) in 1989. He began working in film that same year, landing his first job as Park Jeong-won's assistant director on Kuro Arirang (was coincidentally also the first film of actor Choi Min-sik).

Following graduation from KAFA, Im worked as an assistant director under Kim Young-bin on Kim's War (1994). In 1995 Im wrote the screenplay for The Eternal Empire, and also the screenplay A Noteworthy Film, which won him the Creation Prix at the Korean Motion Picture Promotion Scenario Competition.

In 1998 Im landed his first directorial gig. Girls' Night Out, a drama about three women in Korea, caused a controversy upon release due to the frank and sexually driven dialogue and has received mixed, almost polarized, reviews.

Tears, a hard drama about the lives of four runaway teenagers in Seoul, came next. Im spent five months in the Garibong-dong district of Seoul amongst homeless runaway teens before writing the script for the film. This film was shot in 2000 on miniDV to save the budget. To achieve greater realism, Im opted to use non-actors.

2003's Good Lawyer's Wife was Im's first film to reach #1 at the South Korean box office, thanks in large part to the suggestive poster and trailer campaign centered on star Moon So-ri (who was cast after Kim Hye-soo dropped out to pursue a TV career). This film was also screened in the main competition program at the 2003 Venice International Film Festival.

Next in Im's string of controversial films was 2005's President's Last Bang, about the night President Park Chung Hee was assassinated by his KCIA Director. The controversy started before it was released to the public (a press screening had already been held), with President Park's family suing MK Pictures over the film's content. A Korean court ordered the removal of 3 minutes and 50 seconds' worth of documentary footage from the film as it was thought the documentary footage might confuse the public into thinking the film was based on hard facts, which Im admits is not the case.

The Old Garden, Im's fifth film, was released theatrically in fall 2006. It debuted at the 2006 San Sebastián Film Festival. His 2010 film, The Housemaid, competed for the Palme d'Or at the 2010 Cannes Film Festival. In 2012 The Taste of Money competed for the Palme d'Or at the 2012 Cannes Film Festival.

Actress Youn Yuh-jung, a constant collaborator, has noted that "many actors shy away from working with him because he is provocative and daring, but that is how he views the world".

Controversy
All of Im's films have been controversial, but his film The President's Last Bang, centered on the assassination of Park Chung Hee, has been the most controversial due to its negative portrayal of the Korean president. In 2005 a South Korean court ordered the removal of 3 minutes and 50 seconds of the film before it could be shown to the public. The offending scenes were made up of documentary footage, part of which showed President Park's funeral.

In August 2006 this ruling was overturned, with the court confirming the "right of free expression concerning the depiction of public historical figures". The court has also ordered MK Pictures, the production company that had financed the film, to pay President Park's family 100 million won (roughly US$105,000).

The film has been released in South Korea and America on DVD in 2005. Both discs contain a plain black screen where the footage was removed. There has been no release date set for a DVD containing the cut footage. However, the British and French releases contain the fully uncut version.

Awards and nominations
A Noteworthy Film
 * 1995, Creation Prix at the Korean Motion Picture Promotion Scenario Competition

Tears
 * 2000, FIPRESCI Prize – Special Mention (For its ability to put real life on screen, and its extraordinary performances) at the Pusan International Film Festival
 * 2001, Nominated for Best International Feature Film at the Torino International Festival of Young Cinema
 * 2001, Nominated for the Bronze Horse at the Stockholm Film Festival

A Good Lawyer's Wife
 * 2003, Best Actress (Moon So-ri) at the Stockholm Film Festival
 * 2003, Best Cinematography (Kim Woo-hyung) at the Stockholm Film Festival
 * 2003, Silver Spur Prize at the Flanders International Film Festival
 * 2003, Nominated for the Golden Lion at the Venice International Film Festival
 * 2004, Lotus Prize at the Deauville Asian Film Festival
 * 2004, Best Actress (Moon So-ri) at the Grand Bell Awards, South Korea

The President's Last Bang
 * 2005, Lino Brocka Award at the Cinemanila International Film Festival
 * 2005, Best Film at the Baeksang Arts Awards, South Korea
 * 2005, Nominated for Best Director at the Baeksang Arts Awards, South Korea
 * 2005, Nominated for Best Screenplay at the Baeksang Arts Awards, South Korea
 * 2005, Best Director at the Director's Cut Awards, South Korea

The Old Garden
 * 2008, Nominated for Best Screenwriter at the Asian Film Awards

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Flèche

Flèche or Fleche may refer to:
 * Flèche (architecture), a type of church spire
 * Flèche (cycling), a team cycling competition
 * Flèche (fencing), an aggressive offensive fencing technique
 * Flèche (fortification), a defensive work
 * HMS Fleche, ships of the Royal Navy

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The Jones Store

The Jones Store Company was an American chain of department stores located in the Kansas City area formerly operated by Mercantile Stores Company and the St. Louis, Missouri-based May Co.

History
The Jones Store Company was founded in 1887 as an 800 ft2 store in Stafford, Kansas, by J. Logan Jones.

In 1895, Jones opened a store at 6th and Main in the River Market neighborhood of Kansas City, Missouri. In 1902 Jones leased a 500000 sqft seven-story building that took up an entire block at 12th Street and Main across the street from Bernheimer Bros. & Co.

Jones declared bankruptcy in 1910 and the store was taken over by New York interests.

In 1919, the new owners acquired the merchandise from Bernheimer Brothers.

The downtown flagship store remained in business until January 1998 even as other large retailers had left downtown. The building was demolished in 2005.

The Jones Store became a division of Mercantile Stores Company in the early 1960s. It was acquired by May Department Stores in 1998 after the Dillard's acquisition of Mercantile, and integrated into the company's Famous-Barr division. On August 30, 2005, it became part of Federated with that company's acquisition of May. On February 1, 2006, The Jones Store Co. was assumed by the new Macy's Midwest division of Federated.

On September 9, 2006, The Jones Store Co. name was phased out in favor of the Macy's nameplate, marking the second entry for Macy's into Kansas City and Topeka ever since the chain sold its original Kansas City stores to Dillard's in 1985. The original Jones Store locations included Downtown, Bannister Mall, Blue Ridge Mall, Metro North Mall, Oak Park Mall, Independence Center, Metcalf South Shopping Center, Town Center Plaza, Prairie Village Shopping Center, and West Ridge Mall.

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Talk:Arella

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now arella was abused as a child ran away to the church of satan she thouht it was a chriten church and people in the church were trying to raise the devil instead they raised a demon arella did not know so she fell in love with him they had sex but as soon has the seed was in her he changed into a demon arella ran away from the church as soon as she was out of site she was about to kill herself but this women took her to azarath just in time. there raven was born but they changed her name to racheal there she was raised. when her mother told her about what happend before she was born so she ran away to go get help from the titans.

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User:Loulamb

Special interests include Progressive Rock music, vintage electrical devices from the Edison era, especially light bulbs, and antique phonographs. I am a semi-professional musician and reside in the Charlotte, NC area.

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Werner Stocker as Darius in Highlander: The Series.

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Vitaly Abalakov

Vitaly Mikhaylovich Abalakov (Вита́лий Миха́йлович Абала́ков) (13 January 1906 – 26 May 1986 ) was a Soviet chemical engineer, mountaineer and inventor.

Brother of Yevgeniy Abalakov, another famous alpinist, he made the first Soviet ascent of Lenin Peak in 1934 and two more ascents of this mountain. In 1936 he also made the ascent of Khan Tengri, where he lost several fingers and part of his foot.

In 1938, he and others from his team were arrested by NKVD and were under investigation until 1940. He was accused of "open public propaganda" of western mountaineering techniques and "diminishing" domestic alpinists' achievements and being a "German spy".

Abalakov is credited with such inventions as camming devices in the 1930s, Abalakov thread (or V-thread) gearless ice climbing anchor, and many other climbing equipment innovations.

Awards

 * Order of Lenin (1957)
 * Order of the Badge of Honour (1972)
 * Honoured Master of Sports of the USSR (1943)
 * Honoured Trainer of the USSR (1961)

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Talk:Grace Christian School

2005-2006 comments
Nothing really stands out in this article. A lot of schools can relate to the information stated here. Additionally, this article requires major formatting, wikification and grammatical fixes. It also seems biased. Enzo Aquarius 20:28, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Please do not delete copyright notices. If I surmise correctly, this can be a major offense. Enzo Aquarius 20:34, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Note, this page is now a disambig, the other one got deleted--Rayc 00:41, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Notability
If you are considering creating articles for any of the redlinked schools, please remember that a non-highschool is not generally considered notable. I have just redirected Grace Christian School (Blacklick) to Blacklick, Ohio, after adding a sentence there to mention the school: that's the most coverage that's reasonable for a non-notable primary school. Now if it's an architecturally award-winning building (with references), or of immense historical or educational significance, that's different. See WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. Pam D  10:32, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul carpenter

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was KEEP as rewritten by User:Uncle G. I'm changing it into a disambig page. — J I P | Talk 04:35, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Paul carpenter
Sorry, I can't find any verifiable evidence that this person is notable. The claims of "several full length feature films" might do the job, if they were actually released by a legitimate moviemaker, but they aren't named here, and IMDB can't find any sign of them. The rest of the named activities are definitely not encyclopedic. CDC  (talk)  20:30, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Wikipedia shouldn't be in the business of certifying moviemakers as legitimate. But, the article needs sources. Sdedeo 20:35, 26 August 2005 (UTC) (see below)
 * Maybe I should have said notable moviemaker. That was a hypothetical point anyway - the main problem with this article is that I can't find any evidence of these movies - maybe I'm missing something. This article looks like self-promotion. CDC   (talk)  20:44, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi CDC, yes, it looks like you're right. There is a famous actor called Paul Carpenter, but his latest movie credit was before this guy was born. I couldn't find any references to movies even on his own home page. Delete. Sdedeo 21:04, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment A quick Google comes up with Paul Carpenter as an actor as per Sdedeo and a baseballer who played one season for the Pittsburgh Pirates back in 1916. One season of baseball is marginal but perhaps we could have this as a disambiguation page. This bloke claims to have been an American Idol contestant but there seems to be little verifiable evidence that I could find for the claim. If he was on American Idol, he could be directed to the article for the season. Capitalistroadster 01:25, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * If he was an American Idol contestant, he didn't even make it past the first auditions, otherwise American Wikipedians would've recognized his name, I think. - Mgm|(talk) 07:24, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable. *drew 01:55, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: I am relisting this to gather more consensus. R  e  dwolf24  (talk) 04:10, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Article doesn't establish that subject meets WP:BIO. Quale 04:53, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No verifiable evidence of meeting WP:Bio. Capitalistroadster 05:14, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep uncle G's rewrite. Capitalistroadster 12:06, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * This person's home page is empty, containing no actual ordinary HTML content at all, and a Google Web search reveals that he is simply a magician for hire in Houston and little more. Therefore, for your discussion pleasure, I've done a Complete Rewrite about the actor and the baseball player mentioned above. Uncle G 09:08:32, 2005-09-05 (UTC)

 * Always great to have a good article on legitimate targets, but, um, this article started life as a Geogre's Law failure (miniscule last name) and was personal spam/hoax. Again, no faulting of folks who do the saves.  It's just that a new article (that wouldn't keep the deletion material in history) under the proper name would mean, essentially a "delete this" vote.  Indeed, a proper article can be written with no reference to this at all, then just a redirect, and then there is no VfD debate at all -- as the nominated article has become only a redirect. Geogre 13:06, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Uncle Gs re-write. Jobe  6  [[Image:Peru flag large.png|20px]] 13:08, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's a poorly formatted disambig about two extremely non-notable people. / Peter Isotalo 16:30, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete It seems like a hoax to me.---CH  (talk) 09:05, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Dynasty (disambiguation)

A dynasty is a series of rulers from one family.

Dynasty may also refer to:

Film and television

 * Dynasty (film), a 1976 NBC television film
 * Dynasty (Australian TV series), a 1970 Australian TV series
 * Dynasty (1981 TV series), a 1980s American primetime television soap opera
 * Dynasty (2017 TV series), a reboot of the 1980s series
 * Dynasties (2002 TV series), a 2002 Australian television documentary series
 * Dynasties (2018 TV series), a 2018 BBC nature television documentary series
 * The Affaire in the Swing Age, a 2003 Chinese TV series released in some regions as The Dynasty
 * Dynasty Barry, fictional character in UK TV series Waterloo Road

Music

 * Dynasty (association), a Finnish music association and record label
 * Dynasty (band), a 1978–1989 American funk/soul R&B band
 * Dynasty (hardcore band), an American Christian hardcore punk band formed in 2004
 * Dynasty Tour, a 1979 concert tour by Kiss

Albums

 * Dynasty (As They Sleep album), 2010
 * Dynasty (Kaskade album) or the title song (see below), 2010
 * Dynasty (Kiss album), 1979
 * Dynasty (Stan Getz album) or the title song, 1971
 * Dynasty (Two Steps from Hell album), 2007
 * The Dynasty: Roc La Familia, by Jay-Z, 2000
 * Dynasty (Yandel and Tainy album), 2021

Songs

 * "Dynasty" (song), by Kaskade, 2010
 * "Dynasty", by Elephante, 2016
 * "Dynasty", by Rina Sawayama from Sawayama, 2020

Other media

 * Dynasty (video game), a 1978 text-based strategy game for the Apple II computer
 * Dynasty!, a 1979 video game identical to the game Reversi

Technology

 * Dodge Dynasty, a mid-size sedan car
 * Dynasty, a brand later owned by Maytag
 * Dynasty IT, a neighborhood electric vehicle
 * Hyundai Dynasty, a car built by Hyundai Motor Company

Sports

 * Dynasty (horse), an Olympic medal-winning horse for Canada
 * Dynasty (sports), a team that enjoys a period of dominance over the sport
 * The Dynasty (professional wrestling), a professional wrestling stable
 * Seoul Dynasty, a Korean esports team in the Overwatch League

Other uses

 * Dynasty Foundation, a Russian private foundation for non-profit education and science development programs
 * Dynasty, the callsign of China Airlines

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Jorge Bobone

Jorge E. Bobone (1901 – October 21, 1958) was an Argentine astronomer.

He performed his work at the Observatorio Nacional Argentino in Córdoba, established in the 1870s by Benjamin Apthorp Gould and now belonging to the Universidad Nacional de Córdoba.

Between 1928 and 1954 he published multiple papers in the Astronomical Journal and the Astronomische Nachrichten. The majority of his papers were regarding photographic observations of comets, the ephemerides of Jupiter VI, and some asteroids.

The crater Bobone on the Moon and the asteroid 2507 Bobone were named after him.

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August 15 (Eastern Orthodox liturgics)

August 14 - Eastern Orthodox liturgical calendar - August 16

All fixed commemorations below are observed on August 28 by Eastern Orthodox Churches on the Old Calendar.

For August 15, Orthodox Churches on the Old Calendar commemorate the saints listed on August 2.

Feasts

 * The Dormition of Our Most Holy Lady the Theotokos and Ever-Virgin Mary.

Pre-Schism Western saints

 * Martyr Tarcisius, at Rome, seized by a heathen mob and preferred to die rather than expose the sacred mysteries to profanation (c. 253–260)  (see also: August 14 - Greek)
 * Saint Alypius of Thagaste, Bishop of Tagaste in North Africa (c. 430)
 * Saint Altfrid, Bishop of Hildesheim, was devoted to the Mother of God (874)
 * Saint Arduinus, a priest in Rimini in Italy who lived as a hermit and ended his days in the monastery of San Gudenzio (1009)

Post-Schism Orthodox saints

 * Venerable Macarius the Roman, Abbot (1550)
 * Saint Chariton of Novgorod (16th century), disciple of St. Macarius the Roman.
 * New Hieromartyr Christos, Hieromonk, of Ioannina (c. 1770)
 * Saint Stephen, Elder, of Vyatka (1890)

New martyrs and confessors

 * New Hieromartyr Andrew Voliansky, Priest (1919)
 * New Hieromartyr Paul Szwajko, Priest, and New Martyr Joanna, Presvytera, of Graboviec (Chelm and Podlasie, Poland) (1943)

Other commemorations

 * Commemoration of the Miracle of the Theotokos at the Siege of Constantinople (717–18).
 * Repose of Elder Anthony of Murom (Arsenius in schema) (1851), friend of St. Seraphim of Sarov.
 * Repose of Archimandrite Hieron, founder of New Athos (1912)
 * Repose of Blessed George Lazar of Văratec, Romania (1916)
 * Repose of Abbess Ruffina of Harbin and Shanghai (1937)
 * Repose of Venerable Elder Joseph the Hesychast, of New Skete, Mt. Athos (1959)   (see: August 16)
 * Repose of Metropolitan Augustinos (Kantiotis) of Florina (2010)

Icons

 * Icons of the Theotokos' Dormition:
 * 'Kiev Caves' (1073);
 * 'Ovinov' (1425);
 * 'Pskov-Caves' (1472);
 * 'Semigorodnaya' (15th century);
 * 'Seven Cities';
 * 'Pyukhtitsa' (16th century);
 * 'Bakhchisarai'.

 * Her Icons:
 * 'Atskurskaya' (1st century);
 * 'Tsilkani' in Georgia (4th century);
 * 'Vladimir-Rostov' (12th century);
 * 'Mozdok' (13th century);
 * 'Gaenatskaya' (13th century);
 * 'Chukhlom' (14th century);
 * 'Surdyeg' (1530);
 * 'Tupichev' (17th century);
 * 'Blachernae' (Georgia).

 * Her Icons:
 * 'Diasozousa';
 * 'Chajnicke'.

 * Icon of Sophia, the Wisdom of God (Novgorod).

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Talk:God Loves Ugly

BACKGROUND
An important aspect of this article that is missing is a background portion on the artists of the album.

Something like this would be a good start with some editing still needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emily wanat (talk • contribs) 02:24, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I think that is a very good start. I'll just add a few things too and we can put these together when we finalize it.

I’m out, I wanna live around lakes and trees.Moenpedia (talk) 03:17, 3 April 2014 (UTC)moenpedia

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Talk:Judiciary Act

Splitting this article
As the page currently stands, it is simply a list of Judiciary Acts without any cohesive info. I dont see why this cant be split into individual pages pertaining to each act. (Ignore the vfd that was an error - I was unaware of the split tag) freestylefrappe 20:32, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Discussion

 * This needs to be expanded before it's worth splitting up. Right now its a good combination of mutually relevant material. One issue -- I just fixed a few double redirects that were attempting to go to specific relevant section, e.g. Judiciary Act of 1801 was a redirect to that section in the (earlier title of) the page. Of course, this doesn't work. Given some assurance that the page is going to stay here, someone can quickly go through and actually set all links to this page to focus on the relevant act, if any. Christopher Parham (talk) 20:46, 2005 August 26 (UTC)
 * While I do think that eventually this page might be split up, right now if any of the individual sections were made into an article, it would have to be listed as a stub. — DLJessup (talk) 21:16, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Additional thought: Even if people decide to split off some of the articles, there's nothing that says that this is an all or nothing option.  The section "Judiciary Act of 1789" could be a paragraph summary and a link to the Judiciary Act of 1789 (US) article.  See Summary style for what I'm talking about. — DLJessup (talk) 21:50, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Please make the subarticles Judiciary Act of 1789, etc., unless there is actual ambiguity. Why force piping? Septentrionalis 22:10, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Let's discuss what sort of split is being proposed before resorting to voting. I've removed the voting sections.  For example: Do we want to have a a paragraph or two explaining what a Judiciary Act (in the United States) is here, and split the sections on the individual acts into Judiciary Act 1789, Judiciary Act 1801, Judiciary Act 1802, Judiciary Act 1866, Judiciary Act 1869, and Judiciary Act 1891? Do we want some other sort of split?  How inextricable are these acts? What text is being proposed for the introduction? (Don't put it here.  Please put it in the article.  ☺) If the article is split, should it just have a list of links to the individual acts, or short summaries with main on each? Uncle G 22:21:14, 2005-08-26 (UTC)
 * "...A paragraph or two.." with links to individual pages sounds good to me. freestylefrappe 22:50, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Please be bold and write the introductory paragraphs. Uncle G 13:38:03, 2005-08-28 (UTC)
 * There is now a separate article on Judiciary Act of 1789. I hope to do articles on at least the more significant of the other acts as I find the time.  My personal opinion is that, once that is done, this should be replaced by a bare-bones disambiguation page, and general background on the federal judiciary merged into United States federal courts.  --Russ Blau (talk) 19:50, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Requested move

 * For reference, see Naming conventions (precision).

Per Uncle G's tonguelashing on Votes for deletion/Judiciary Act, we really should discuss the renaming issue here. Here's the issue:

I substantially revised this article back on January 6–8. Back then it was named "Judiciary Acts (US)", and there was a disambiguation page at Judiciary Act. On January 26, User:Neutrality deleted the disambiguation page, moved "Judiciary Acts (US)" to "Judiciary Act", and put a disambiguation link to the Australian Judiciary Act at the top of the page. I would be perfectly happy if the original situation were restored.

Note that this issue is still relevant, even if the split issue is successful, in that this page will survive as a disambiguation page directing readers to the individual acts, and the name of that page will still be relevant.

Discussion

 * It wasn't a tonguelashing. ☺ Uncle G 22:21:14, 2005-08-26 (UTC)
 * If consensus forms for the move, let me or another administrator know and we'll delete the edited redirect to make way for the move. We can also do a history-only undeletion of the original disambiguation article for you afterwards. (I don't see any copyright problems in the deleted history.) For details of the latter, see Deletion review. Uncle G 22:34:07, 2005-08-26 (UTC)
 * If the page is split up, then a disambiguation page would probably be appropriate, but right now this seems like a reasonable primary-use setup, as long as the Australian one is clearly mentioned at the top. Christopher Parham (talk) 03:38, 2005 August 27 (UTC)
 * Support moving to either "Judiciary Acts (United States)" or "Judiciary Acts (U.S.)" but not to "Judiciary Acts (US)". Let's follow the Manual of Style. CDThieme 15:40, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Neutrality originally renamed Judiciary Acts (US) to Judiciary Act (United States), before renaming the latter here, notice. Uncle G 17:03:07, 2005-08-31 (UTC)

 * Might it be an idea to follow the naming convention (wot I wrote ;-)) for UK law in this context? Specifically, this would be moved to Judiciary Acts (plural) as it talks about the set of Acts as a whole... Or, it should, at least. :-)
 * James F. (talk) 01:40, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

I have removed this from WP:RM for the time being: there son't appear to be a problem with the move however there is no agreement on where to move it to. If you come to a decision let me or another admin know and we will move the page. -- Francs2000 23:31, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

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Smith Pool

Smith Pool is a small body of water located between Salem Neck, Winter Island, and Cat Cove in Salem, Massachusetts, United States. It used to be the city's reservoir, and was later a public swimming area. It is easily accessible from Winter Island Road on Winter Island. The area is currently maintained by the Massachusetts Division of Marine Fisheries, and the old dam still separates it from Cat Cove. The dam has a tide gate to allow circulation between Cat Cove and Smith Pool and to allow manipulation of the water depth in Smith Pool. The intake pipes for the Cat Cove Marine Lab seawater system are in Smith Pool

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Pima

Pima or PIMA may refer to:

People

 * Pima people, the Akimel O'odham, Indigenous peoples in Arizona (U.S.) and Sonora (Mexico)

Places

 * Pima, Arizona, a town in Graham County
 * Pima County, Arizona
 * Pima Canyon, in the Santa Catalina Mountains
 * Pima, Burkina Faso, a village
 * Pima villages, historical villages of the Pima people

Other

 * PIMA, the Portable Infrared Mineral Analyzer, a type of Infrared Spectroscopy
 * Pima (moth), a snout moth genus of tribe Phycitini
 * Pima cotton
 * Pacific Islands Museums Association

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Provincetown Municipal Airport

Provincetown Municipal Airport is a public airport located at the end of Cape Cod, two miles (3 km) northwest of the central business district of Provincetown, in Barnstable County, Massachusetts, United States. This airport is operated by the Town of Provincetown on land leased from the United States National Park Service.

The airport is used for general aviation and by one commercial airline, Cape Air, which operates non-stop flights of 25 minutes duration to Boston's Logan International Airport. During the off-season, Cape Air operates three daily flights each way. On summer weekends, flights are scheduled approximately every 45 minutes in both directions.

History
The airport was constructed in the 1940s and the runway was first paved in 1948. The original transitions to the taxiways were curved, or jug-handle-shaped to support tail-draggers like the DC-3 that operated at the airport in the 1940s and 1950s.

In 1949, Provincetown-Boston Airlines started scheduled air service between Provincetown and Boston using Cessna Bobcats. Through a series of mergers, PBA was eventually acquired by People Express and which later merged with Continental Airlines and in 1988, Continental cancelled the Provincetown - Boston route. Cape Air began operations that same year and continues to serve Provincetown today.

The present terminal building is a single-story wooden structure and was constructed in 1998. The terminal provides Cape Air check-in and a waiting area, TSA screening areas, and a conference room.

Facilities and aircraft
Provincetown Municipal Airport covers an area of 310 acre.

For the 12-month period ending September 1, 2016, the airport averaged 136 operations per day: 85% transient general aviation, 8% commercial, 2% air taxi, 4% local general aviation and <1% military. There are 10 aircraft based at this airport: 8 single engine and 2 multi-engine.

The airport has complimentary high-speed internet access for all passengers and crew members utilizing the facility. A limited amount of free parking is available for vehicles used by general and commercial aviation passengers. Aircraft parking is available from Cape Air, the fixed-base operator (FBO).

Airport management
The Provincetown Airport is overseen by the Airport Commission, a five-person board appointed by the Provincetown Board of Selectmen.

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text: Category:Wikipedians in Guyana

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