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Talk:Paddy Ashdown

Written works
There's a list of his written works but no discussion of it in the article - is it not worth mentioning that he's written some interesting non-fiction as well? (Lordjim13 (talk) 11:02, 3 July 2024 (UTC))

The honored man
Just look at short summary: Father was British colonial officer in India, who was presented here as hero of Dankerk yet there is failure to explain what "justice and honor" he was giving to Indian people. Was that man ever denounced his father and British policies in India. If he was this should be stated here. If not then this should be stated too. Initially Labourist, who changed mind to something very different and become Liberal, enjoying wealthy life in Switzerland, during the suffering of English miners. Now actively blaming others for opportunism. Well "it takes a crook to get a crook" Rousvelt would say. Socialist but Baron Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon. British muscle of international justice but son of colonialist and Knight of the British Empire 2000.

Point: Please put Peddies opinion of British colonial presence in India. Put more light on reasons to change Labour believes for fancy life in Switzerland

Thanks

20:32, 28 May 2011 (UTC)20:32, 28 May 2011 (UTC)`` — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.101.218.99 (talk)

 * Why should Ashdown's views on India - if any - be relevant to a summary of his fathers military service? This is supposed to be an encyclopaedia, not Indian nationalist propaganda.

I doubt that the summary of John Ashdown's military service is correct. As far as I can see the 14th Punjabi was not at Dunkirk, and it is unlikely that an officer would be ordered to abandon his regiment.203.184.41.226 (talk) 22:44, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Captain John Ashdown had transferred to ISSC and was in charge of 32nd Mule team. If you think it unlikely that an officer be ordered to abandon his regiment, you underestimate the racism inherent in my country. We like to believe we are better than we were, some of us are not sure. 217.140.106.52 (talk) 09:41, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

UN Job Title
In a number of articles relating to the war in the Former Yugoslavia, he's listed as the UN Representative of B-H, rather than the UN Representative for B-H, which could either be a typo or a subtle jab at his role, or something else entirely. I know next to nothing about the region or its history, so I'm hesitant to do anything myself, but I know enough to know that it's very controversial, so I thought I'd mention it here in case more informed editors wanted to do some work.

50.100.2.196 (talk) 00:55, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Military awards
I've just removed the following from the article as I can't immediately verify them and it's holding this up from the main page. Please re-add them if they can be verified. Thryduulf (talk) 11:45, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Naval General Service Medal 1915 BAR.svg Naval General Service Medal with Borneo Clasp
 * General Service Medal 1962 BAR.svg General Service Medal with Northern Ireland Clasp

 * Just to note that we would not normally include these as they are not particularly noteworthy. MilborneOne (talk) 23:43, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, I'll not both spending any more effort searching for verification then. Thryduulf (talk) 10:59, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The important information is that he served in Borneo and Northern Ireland. That is present and cited, though some more precision on the dates could be added if in the sources. Carcharoth (talk) 10:25, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

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In 2008, Lord "Paddy" Ashdown became a Vice President of the Devizes to Westminster Organisation Ltd (a voluntary organisation that operates the international canoe & kayak race from Devizes to Westminster over Easter each year - first run 1948). In 1965 he had won the Folding Boat trophy, paddling for the Royal Marines, at a time when the race was dominated by military crews. The folding boat was a canoe type used by the Royal Marines. 77.99.48.97 (talk) 16:47, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
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I have added Ashdown's parliamentary portrait, from 2018, to the article. This is his official parliamentary picture, yet another editor, called Neveselbert, is reverting it to one from 2005. Can someone stop them. Ladislyzk77 (talk) 12:34, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

 * I won't revert you again, but your disruptive editing has been contrary to WP:BRD. His "official parliamentary picture" is of inferior quality to his official portrait from 2005. The subject of the article is no longer alive so there is no reason to use a more recent portrait that is of inferior quality. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 12:37, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not of inferior quality. It is literally one from Parliament and similar to one, I note, many other articles use. Ladislyzk77 (talk) 12:38, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It's of inferior quality in terms of being the best representation of the subject. The 2005 portrait is of Ashdown as the European Union Special Representative for Bosnia and Herzegovina. He has a higher claim to fame in this role than as a member of the House of Lords. Please stop accusing me of vandalism and familiarise yourself with WP:NOTVANDAL. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 12:43, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Why are you talking about fame? I added a picture from 2018 because it was the most recent professional picture, whereas you added one from 2005. You've now changed your meaning of inferior quality from image quality to job title/fame. You're just making up reason now... Ladislyzk77 (talk) 12:47, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * No, I'm not. Like I said, the subject is no longer alive, therefore there is no need to use "the most recent professional picture" irrespective of quality. The 2005 portrait was taken by an employee of the European Union as the official portrait of the Special Representative, Lord Ashdown. It's also a portrait of the subject in his prime, whereas the parliamentary portrait was taken the year he died. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 12:52, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It should also be noted that the 2005 portrait has been assessed under the valued image criteria and is considered the most valued image on Commons within the scope: Paddy Ashdown, portrait photography. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 13:31, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

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Bidental consonant

Bidental consonants are consonants articulated with both the lower and upper teeth. They are normally found only in speech pathology, and are distinct from interdental consonants such as, which involve the tongue articulated between the teeth rather than the teeth themselves. The diacritic for bidental consonants in the extensions to the IPA is the same superscript plus subscript bridge, ⟨◌̪͆⟩. This is used for sounds most commonly found in disordered speech:

 * A bidental percussive,, produced by striking the teeth against each other (gnashing or chattering the teeth).
 * A voiceless bidental fricative,, a fricative made through clenched teeth with no involvement of the tongue or the lips, a "bidental (consonant) produced by air passing through the closed front teeth".
 * A voiced bidental fricative,, a fricative made through clenched teeth with no involvement of the tongue or the lips and the vocal cords vibrate, due to the sound being voiced.
 * Bidental aspiration of another consonant, e.g. or.

People with hypoglossia (abnormally small tongue) may use bidental fricatives for target and.

There is at least one confirmed attestation of a bidental consonant in normal language. The Black Sea sub-dialect of the Shapsug dialect of Adyghe has a voiceless bidental fricative where other dialects have, as in хы "six" and дахэ  "beautiful". It has been transcribed as ⟨x̪͆⟩, reflecting its value in other dialects, but there is no frication at the velum. The teeth themselves are the only constriction: "The lips [are] fully open, the teeth clenched and the tongue flat, the air passing between the teeth; the sound is intermediate between and ". This is better transcribed phonetically as ⟨h̪͆⟩, since has no place of articulation of its own.

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Space Generation Advisory Council

The Space Generation Advisory Council (SGAC), in support of the United Nations Program on Space Applications, is a non-governmental organization and professional network, whose goal is to convey the perspectives of students and young space professionals to the United Nations (UN), space industry, space agencies, and academia.

About
The SGAC is a network of students, young professionals, and alumni in the space industry that currently represents over 27,000 members across 165 countries. SGAC operates in the six official languages of the United Nations, though the official working language is English.

Since 2018, SGAC has also been an official Partner of the International Astronautical Federation (IAF). In such roles, the SGAC ensures the involvement and engagement of its membership in developing a progressive space policy that supports advancing humanity through the peaceful use of space. To ensure inclusivity, membership with SGAC is free of charge.

As a non-profit organization, SGAC relies on the sponsorship and support of governmental, non-governmental, and industry organizations and support via donations from individuals. SGAC is continuously looking for general sponsors and project-based partners, striving to ensure that they reflect the diversity displayed by the SGAC organization.

History
In December 1997, the UN Office of Outer Space Affairs Secretariat invited the International Space University (ISU) to organize a young adult forum, as part of the UNISPACE III Conference in July 1999 in Vienna. The result was the Space Generation Forum (SGF), wherein 160 young people from 60 different countries discussed topics relating to the progress of space exploration, which included: science, engineering, technology, law, ethics, art, literature, anthropology, and architecture. More than 100 visions and ideas were generated during the conference, written as recommendations.

The ten most impactful ideas were integrated into the "Declaration of the Space Generation", approved by the UNISPACE III Plenary as the SGF's Technical Report (refer UN-Document A/Conf.184/L.14). Five of these ten recommendations were adopted into the Vienna Declaration on Space and Human Development. One of the recommendations was "to create a council to support the United Nations Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space by raising awareness and exchanging fresh ideas among young adults. The vision is to employ the creativity and vigor of younger generations in advancing humanity through the peaceful uses of space." From this, the Space Generation Advisory Council in Support of the United Nations Programme on Space Applications was established.

In 2001, SGAC earned Permanent Observer status in UN COPUOS, and in 2003, SGAC earned consultative status with the United Nations Economic and Social Council. The organization officially opened its headquarters at the European Space Policy Institute (ESPI) in 2005 in Vienna and hired its first paid employee in 2006. Today, the organization's professional network comprises over 27,000 members from 165+ countries (updated: 2023) in 6 different geographic regions.

Organization
The leadership consists of an executive council, two elected co-chairs, and 12 elected regional coordinators (two per UN region). The Executive Council is supported by an appointed Executive Committee, which is made up of a treasurer, executive secretaries, event managers, and other executive team members. The rest of the organization is made up of the National Points of Contact, up to two per participating nation, and the 27,000+ members who support the Space Generation Network.

A General Assembly is held annually and brings together the National Points of Contact and the Executive Council to approve or reject propositions introduced by the Executive Council and to change the statutes of the organization.

SGAC works with many external space-related organizations from all around the world. The list of SGAC partners includes organizations from industry, government, academia, and other non-profits. A complete list of the sponsors and supporters is available on the SGAC website.

The organization receives advice from its advisory and honorary boards.

Advisory Board
SGAC's Advisory Board is designed to give strategic direction and advice to SGAC in order to help guide the organization in the fulfillment of its goals and objectives. It provides feedback on the work of the organization and suggests ways in which to improve its functions and its engagement. The board is composed of twelve board members, each of whom serves for a two-year term. The advisory board members are influential members of the international space community and are strong supporters of SGAC’s goals and vision.

Honorary Board
SGAC’s Honorary Board is composed of distinguished individuals who have served the organization in the past and whom SGAC wishes to "recognize for their furtherance of goals similar to those of SGAC".

Executive Director
SGAC’s executive director is in charge of:

 * Representing SGAC at international events and conferences such as the International Astronautical Congress (IAC) and the United Nations (particularly at the United Nations Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space annual sessions).
 * Leading the development and execution of the SGAC strategy.
 * Working closely with the SGAC teams on the development and facilitation of opportunities for SGAC's members in the space sector.
 * Mobilizing new partnerships, and, in particular, pursuing opportunities for funding in order to ensure financial sustainability for the organization.

Operations Officer
SGAC’s Operations Officer is responsible for supporting the management of SGAC's operations. This includes project planning, scheduling and managing, capacity and utilization management, delegating work to meet deliverables, and tracking the status of outstanding work from the different SGAC teams.

Chairs
SGAC’s Co-Chairs are elected for a two-year mandate by the SGAC Executive Committee and are responsible for leading the Executive Committee and supervising the activities of the SGAC staff, contractual obligations, and financial activities.

Regional Coordinators
SGAC’s Regional Coordinators are members of the SGAC Executive Committee. They coordinate activities in their region, oversee the work of the National Points of Contact, have voting rights on SGAC issues at the Executive Committee, and elect the Co-Chairs of the organization.

SGAC involvement with the UN
The Space Generation Advisory Council (SGAC) has a global presence with a diverse member base, and engages across various sectors within the space industry. Outputs from SGAC's events and project groups significantly contribute to shaping space policy at various levels.

These contributions have been acknowledged and cited by numerous delegations within the context of the United Nations Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space (UN COPUOS).

 * UN Committee on the Peaceful Use of Outer Space (COPUOS). SGAC has Permanent Observer status in UN COPUOS and is regularly present at its annual meeting (in June) and at its two subcommittees' meetings: Legal (in March) and Scientific and Technical (in February). As one of the 20 Permanent Observers in COPUOS, SGAC contributes to the activities and action teams of COPUOS with statements and presentations of the various work that SGAC's network produces throughout the year. This includes the reporting of the recommendations gathered at the annual Space Generation Congress, the Space Generation Fusion Forum, and regional and local events.
 * UN Office of Outer Space Affairs (OOSA). SGAC works together with OOSA in promoting UN workshops and in supporting SGAC members to attend various conferences around the world.
 * UN Economic and Social Committee (ECOSOC). SGAC became a member of ECOSOC in 2003. In this position, SGAC attends the UN General Assembly every year and represents young professionals and university students. SGAC ECOSOC representatives report back on the important recommendations from all UN Member States.
 * Space Generation Forum 2.0 (SGF 2.0). In 2018, the Space Generation Forum 2.0 was held to celebrate almost two decades since SGAC's first Space Generation Forum at UNISPACE III in 1999. The Forum was held in Vienna from the 16 to 17 of June 2018 as the international space community convened for UNISPACE+50 and the 61st session of COPUOS. Seven working groups were created, taking into consideration the four pillars (Space Economy, Space Diplomacy, Space Society, Space Accessibility) and seven thematic priorities of the framework in which UNISPACE +50 was developed.
 * Space for Youth Competition. In 2019, the UN Office for Outer Space Affairs (UNOOSA) and SGAC launched the Space for Youth Competition for students and young professionals. The initiative is designed to foster innovative solutions and approaches for addressing climate issues by utilizing space technologies. This effort aligns with the objectives of the United Nations' Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs). The United Nations underscores the significance of youth development and involvement as integral elements within its 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development. In this context, the UN Youth Strategy, inaugurated in September 2018 by the Secretary-General, acknowledges the empowerment, development, and participation of young people as both ends in themselves and as instrumental in shaping a more promising future.

Events

 * Space Generation Congress (SGC). The SGAC holds an annual event called the Space Generation Congress, which is held in conjunction with the International Astronautical Congress (IAC) organized by the International Astronautical Federation (IAF). The event is attended by approximately 150 top university students and young professionals with a passion for space. The attendees are SGAC members selected through a competitive application process. With the Space Generation Congress, SGAC aims to hone and promote the voice of the university students and young professionals on the topic of international space development through the future leaders of the space sector. The Space Generation Congress addresses a diverse range of topics such as autonomy, commerce, community dynamics, discovery, and external engagement. Its findings and proposals are annually submitted to the United Nations at subsequent UN COPUOS sessions. The venue for the Space Generation Congress changes yearly, aligning with the International Astronautical Congress (IAC) which also shifts its location annually.
 * Space Generation Fusion Forum (SGFF). The inaugural Space Generation Fusion Forum took place in conjunction with the National Space Symposium on April 15 & 16, 2012 in Colorado, USA at The Broadmoor resort. The SGFF has since become an annual event in conjunction with the Space Symposium in Colorado, USA. The SGFF offers the next young generation of space sector leaders from government, industry, and academia the opportunity to come together to exchange views on current, hot space topics via interactive panels. The program also allows these top delegates to network with each other as well as with today's current space leaders, who speak on and moderate the panels. The Fusion Forum provides an opportunity for international collaboration since the participants come from all over the world.
 * SGx. In partnership with Future Space Leaders Foundation (FSLF) and SATELLITE, SGx is a technology-focused event that brings together young professionals, industry experts, and government leaders to discuss pressing issues and innovative ideas.
 * Regional Events. The Space Generation Workshop series provides an opportunity to SGAC members to share regional perspectives on space activities. They are large regional events that bring together students and young professionals to discuss current and upcoming space sector opportunities and challenges with a regional perspective. Through these workshops, the SGAC aims to promote the voice of the next generation of space leaders in each of its six regions.
 * Local Events. Local events are the backbone of SGAC activities in a country and contribute to connect the global space community. Together with national mailing lists, these events help National Points of Contact to grow their local support networks.
 * Online Events. SGAC Project Groups, National Points of Contact, and other SGAC team members regularly organize SGAC Webinars and other activities online. Webinars are an important way for SGAC to generate content for its online presence as well as to connect and engage with its global community. These events make SGAC activities accessible to a much broader audience.

Regional, Local, and Online Events can be organized by any SGAC members by submitting a proposal on the SGAC Events Platform.

Project Groups
SGAC is divided into several topical focus-groups, called Project Groups (PGs). Each PG is dedicated to a distinct space-related topic (see below) and serves as a platform within which the young space community can share their opinions, discuss, and debate current issues. This structure is designed to consolidate the expertise that exists within the SGAC network and draw in the targeted knowledge, skills and capabilities of young space leaders for the peaceful advancement of space. This structure also ensures coordination among the various segments of the organization.

As of 2020, the organization has a number of active projects:

 * Commercial Space Project Group. The Commercial Space project group is a forum and “think tank” on topics regarding the commercial use and the vibrant commercialization of space activities for members of the young generation. The group’s research interests lie in 1) the Context of Commercial Space, 2) Commercial Space Models and Market Segments, 3) the Role of Policy and Law in Shaping the Commercial Space Industry, and 4) Business Models / Entrepreneurship. Besides academic research, the group’s goal is to motivate and support the involvement of young people in commercial space activities through competitions, round tables, and webinars.
 * Space Law and Policy Project Group. The Space Law & Policy Project Group was established in the summer of 2012 at the initiative of SGAC members pursuing legal training and building careers in the intersection of the legal profession and the space industry. Open to all members of the SGAC, the group serves as a forum for young professionals and university students to discuss the legal and policy aspects of outer space. Dedicated to investigating and addressing current issues in international and national space law and policy and anticipating likely space law and policy issues in the coming decades, the Project Group pursues projects relevant to the field of space law and policy, and to the broader international space community.
 * Near Earth Object Project Group (NEO). The Near-Earth Object Project Group is dedicated to helping the worldwide planetary defense community to meet one of nature’s greatest challenges. The group provides a youth perspective to planetary defense through annual reports, competitions, conference attendance, and public outreach projects related to Near Earth Objects.
 * Space Safety and Sustainability Project Group (SSS). The space environment is an international domain and requires collaborative efforts from all space-faring nations to ensure the safety and sustainability of this environment. It is therefore essential that there is a wider awareness of an international culture of space safety and sustainability among the space community. The Space Safety and Sustainability Project Group aims to "assist in building the highest possible degree of uniformity in regulations and standards, procedures, and organization regarding space safety and sustainability". This is achieved through meetings, reports, conference presentations, competitions, and outreach projects.
 * Small Satellites Project Group (SSPG). Small satellite programs are particularly attractive since they are “affordable”. The small satellite platform is catering to new actors such as developing countries, students, and amateurs. The SGAC recognized the changing landscape of space exploration using small satellites and initiated the Small Satellite Project Group in response.
 * Space Exploration Project Group (SEPG). SGAC Space Exploration Project Group focuses on ongoing and future deep space crewed and un-crewed missions. The group is intended to create an international and interdisciplinary forum focused on different aspects of space exploration, including the development of exploration technologies and capabilities, safety enhancement, the application of space and Earth science, the search for life, and the stimulation of economic expansion. The main focus is the Global Exploration Roadmap (GER) currently being developed by 14 space agencies around the world. The GER Strategy reflects the international effort to prepare collaborative space exploration, beginning with the International Space Station, continuing to the Moon, studying near-Earth asteroids, and with the ultimate goal of preparing for a crewed mission to Mars.
 * Ethics and Human Rights Project Group (EHR). The intention of this Project Group is to identify how space technology can best contribute to the realization of the United Nations’ objectives on Human Rights and the Sustainable Development Goals. At the same time, the project group is intended to be a platform for the diversity of peoples who make up the space sector in order to help shape its development to be representative of all humanity.
 * Space Medicine and Life Sciences Project Group (SMLS). The Space Medicine and Life Sciences Project Group aims to provide an international and interdisciplinary platform for young professionals in the space medicine and the life sciences sectors. The group provides a "conduit" for students and young professionals to engage in the ongoing activities in the space medicine sector; to optimize human health on Earth, low-Earth orbit, and beyond. Moreover, SMLS aims to incubate and support ideas from the next generation to solve today’s health challenges.
 * Space Technologies for Earth Applications (STEA). The Space Technologies for Earth Applications (STEA) Project Group aims to provide a global and interdisciplinary forum for students and young professionals with an interest in the application of space technologies for improvement of life on Earth.
 * Space & Cybersecurity. This project group follows the outcomes of the Space & Cybersecurity working group at the European Space Generation Workshop (ESGW) 2018, hosted in Bucharest, Romania to "emphasize the need to reflect on the nature of space and cybersecurity, what the priorities of governments and international institution should be, whether data should remain open source or limited in its availability, possible technical solutions to the challenges posed above, and the shape and origin of threats to cybersecurity in space".

Scholarships
The SGAC works to provide financial resources for its members to increase youth input and engagement on international space issues. The organization awards numerous scholarships throughout the year to university students and young professionals. These scholarships allow a greater number of members to take part in the international space policy creation process from attendance and presentations at UN COPUOS to participating in SGAC's annual congress, the International Astronautical Congress (IAC), or issue-specific seminars around the world. The Scholarship page of SGAC regularly publishes the available scholarship opportunities to attend the Space Generation Congress (SGC), International Astronautical Congress (IAC), Space Generation Fusion Forum (SGFF), Space Symposium (SS), Space Generation Workshops (SGWs) and other space events.

Professional Development
With the exception of the SGAC Executive Director and SGAC Operations Manager, all leadership positions and members of SGAC serve the organization on a voluntary basis. SGAC posts vacancies every month which can be consulted on the SGAC vacancies page. Volunteering with SGAC allows members to be recognized internationally as part of the organization’s leadership on the SGAC Team webpage and offers opportunities to develop as leaders in the space sector.

Alumni and mentoring programs
The alumni program was launched at the Space Generation Forum 2.0 in 2018 (after a series of successful alumni activities from 2015-2018) to help reconnect with SGAC Alumni and use the potential of the SGAC alumni network to support other SGAC activities. SGAC Alumni are registered SGAC members who care about the SGAC mission and vision but are over the age limit of SGAC (past their 36th birthday). SGAC organizes a series of activities to help connect its current members with the SGAC alumni and helps facilitate the sharing of knowledge and experiences in this context. These activities include SGAC Alumni Gatherings, SGAC: Through the Generations events, Alumni Spotlight, and mentoring SGAC members as advisors to different projects.

At the Space Generation Forum 2.0 in June 2018 in Vienna, one of the key recommendations presented in recognition of the UNISPACE+50 is to foster development and support in the space sector through mentoring. In response, SGAC created a Mentoring Program for its members. The aim of this program is to connect SGAC members with experts in the space field, especially through the network of SGAC Alumni. Through a mentoring program, SGAC hopes its members will be able to receive support and guidance as they continue to advance in their careers.

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Reusable Asset Specification

Reusable Asset Specification is an Object Management Group standard to package digital artifacts.

The specification is a set of guidelines and recommendations about the structure, content, and descriptions of reusable software assets. The main purpose of RAS is to increase the reusability of the software assets by encouraging reliable consistent and standard packaging.

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Talk:Lists of Catholics

A modest proposal
Hm...I got a proposal. Since it's impossible to put the majority of Catholics in any field on any list, and since the obscurity of the subject tends to make a list hilariously nonsensical (for instance- Joseph Conrad and some aspiring English writer, on the same list- this is a joke), I'd suggest to break the list into more paragraphs. Or, if the list would pretend to be more detailed- then, a few more pages should be created (the Renaissance music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Renaissance_composers) is 90% Catholic, and to put all these people, plus Baroque, Romantic etc. composers-Catholics on a single page –this is virtually impossible). Also, I propose to retain the «fun nature» of this, because the enormity of the subject would make the list absurd. So- maybe a few different pages for writers, scientists, musicians,.., but to keep the list within some rational limits. Mir Harven 09:45, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

I'd delete such a list. A list of baptised people? Really, makes no sense. Most lving people in the list wouldn't think of themselves as Roman Cat. either. --80.58.35.44 15:58, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

This list makes no sense. Where do we draw the line at who is Catholic? Everyone who is baptised? How about people who were baptised and later renounced their faith? How about members of sects that consider themselves Catholic but aren't considered Catholic by the Vatican? This is far too wide a category. It should either be deleted, or have its definition narrowed down. -- Ritchy, 24 July 2005
 * As I see it, the definition is simple. Catholics are people who:

 * are baptized as such
 * may have given up their faith-but have not embraced any other (Buddhism, Judaism, Islam,..)
 * converts from other faiths

So, Catholics are people once baptized in the Catholic Church who have not explicitely "crossed over" into some other faith. They may have become atheists or indifferent, but- this doesnt matter. Mir Harven 18:11, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Who qualifies ?
Let me repeat. Catholics are people:
 * who were baptized & stayed within RCC (say, Gregory Peck)
 * who converted (say, Graham Greene)
 * who converted on death-bed (say, Buffalo Bill)
 * who were baptized, but eventually became atheists, agnostics or simply indifferent (say, James Joyce)

Catholics are not:

 * people converted from Catholicism to some other faith (say, John Travolta)
 * people who converted once, but eventually either «returned» to their original faith or adopted some other (say, Ben Jonson) Mir Harven 18:44, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Since there is no clear-cut threshold of a person's belief and/or orthodoxy, Catholics are the above mentioned except:
 * converts to other faiths
 * Catholic converts who reverted
 * Catholics who officially left the RCC (their later (non)religious life is not the issue here).

Other than that- atheists like Joseph Conrad, quasi-Swedenborgians like Honore de Balzac or Masons like Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart remain Catholics. The list just lists those who are technically "Catholic" & is not a detection apparatus nor a gauge of authenticity of intensity of their beliefs (they may believe in Martians, Flat Earth or whatever they wish). Mir Harven 08:53, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

VfD nomination
This page was recently nominated for deletion and kept through default of no consensus being reached. The archived discussion can be found at Votes for deletion/List of Roman Catholics -- Francs2000 | Talk 02:28, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Old West etc.
I know this small part is essentially insignificant- but I kinda like Buffalo Bill and Black Elk and comp. But, farnkly: I got no idea of a new list that would contain them. Adventurers ? Along with Cortez and similar persons ? Hmm...Maybe Chief Joseph should go to military leaders ? Be as it may, he's got more in common with, say, generals and field marshalls than with alcoholic murderers like Wild Bill Longley. Then, what with W.T. Sherman and other military figures who had not been "leaders" like Napoleon and Charlemagne ? Mir Harven 17:44, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Articles for Deletion debate
This article survived an Articles for Deletion debate. The discussion can be found here. -Splash talk 04:33, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Requested move 17 August 2018

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The result of the move request was: moved as requested. Dekimasu よ! 01:09, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Lists of Roman Catholics → Lists of Catholics – Per WP:CONSISTENCY with most equivalent articles in Category:Lists of Roman Catholics. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:34, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. Hyperbolick (talk) 17:35, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Size vs. heat

As it now stands, this article's title is meaningless. And the content of the article itself is not written in an encylopedic manner. It also needs wikifying and cleanup. Zoe 08:22, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Well, yes, but the title 'the relationship between the size of transistors or integrated circuits and heatdissipation' seems a bit large. I suggest adding that it is a stub, and let it improve in time.

merge
I'm recommending a merge with Thermal management of electronic devices and systems. This seems like a useful subtopic, but as the naming difficulty suggests, not a good article subject. --Bmk 16:10, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

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Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Zit (comic)

I read the "is this magazine real" with some amusement. I helped start ZIT back in 1990 by contributing a couple of pages and characters. On the whole it was awful, launched by a couple of Brighton chancers, with the aim of making a quick bit of money.


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Lahij

Lahij or Lahej (لحج), formerly called Al-Hawtah, is a city and an area located between Ta'izz and Aden in Yemen. From the 18th to the 20th century, its rulers were of the Abdali branch of the Al-Sallami tribe who trace their lineage to one of the 10 tribes of Yaffa called Kalad. Lahij was the capital city of the Sultanate of Lahej, a protectorate of the British Empire until 1967, when the sultan was expelled and the city became a part of People's Republic of South Yemen. When Yemen Arab Republic and South Yemen merged on 22 May 1990, Lahij became part of the Republic of Yemen.

It is located in the delta of the Wadi Tuban on the main trade route connecting Aden with Ta'izz, Ibb, and Sanaa. Al-Hawtah is known for the shrine of al-Salih Muzahim Ja'far, which attracts pilgrims from throughout Yemen during the month of Rajab. It is known as "al-Hawtah al-Ja'fariyyah" in his honor.

History
The capital of Lahj used to be at al-Ra'ra', which was destroyed when the Ottomans conquered the Tahirids in the early 1500s and then all but disappears from historical records. Al-Hawtah became capital then.

Lahij has always historically been identified as Aden's base city. Since Aden was a port city, not many Yemenis lived there, rather it was used by many foreigners for its location. Lahij has always been one of the very fertile parts of Yemen and was nicknamed "Lahej Al Khathra", which translates to Lahej the green. This means it stood out from the rest of Yemen which was known to be desert. In the early 1700s a few Sallami tribesmen (members of the Al-Sallami family who migrated from Kalad region of Lower Yaffa) migrated to the Tuban Delta in Lahij and settled between the 2 valleys that surround Lahij. Their new settlement was named Al-Majhafa which translates to "the unfair" in Arabic due to settlers upset with the lack of provisions the area offered them. Many of these settlers were Bedouin permanent migrants from Abyan, Baidha and Shabwa regions. Some were also Yaffai tribesmen like the Sallami family. Others were various Hoshabis from the Musaymeer area looking for new lands. During this time, Hadrami religious Sayids made their way into the area and as custom, one of them name Balfijar asked to established a howtah (الحوطة). A howtah in Hadrami culture is where a few religious imams ask surrounding tribes to allow them to create a settlement that is guarded by a boundary of trees in which no tribesmen can enter with their weapons. The howtah is a sacred place of religious learning where people can live without tribal violence. There are many howtahs that stretch Yemen from Hadramout to Lahij, however the howtah in Lahij outgrew its original plan and became a settlement. Today the capital of the Lahij Governorate is called Al-Howtah. It is the same howtah that was created by Imam Balfijar.

The Lahj region experienced instability after Yemeni government forces withdrew from the area in 2012, and Tribal Popular Committee funding was cut. The reduced state presence emboldened al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula to launch a series of attacks in the governorate in June 2013. On 28 January 2015, al-Qaeda demolished the historic Sufyan Mosque in the Al Hota village district. Then on 20 March, al-Qaeda fighters captured al-Hawtah and killed about 20 people during their brief occupation of the city before being driven out by government forces. Less than a week later, on 26 March, Houthi forces captured al-Hawtah and the nearby Al Anad Air Base en route to Aden. They held the city until August, when Southern Transitional Council-led airstrikes bombarded Houthi positions and cleared the way for hundreds of government troops to move north toward Al Anad Air Base. The Houthis were driven out by 4 August, losing most of their heavy weaponry in the process.

Al-Qaeda struck again in early 2016, capturing the city on 25 January and holding it until government forces retook it on 15 April after a major battle. In June, the Security Belt Forces were inaugurated in Lahj to serve as the main military and police force in the area. Al-Qaeda led an attack on the Security Belt headquarters in March 2017 but failed to take control of the city.

On 16 November 2017, the Southern Transitional Council announced at a festival in al-Hawtah that they would be assuming control of Lahj and ad-Dali' governorates. With al-Qaeda being driven out of the governorate altogether in 2018, the new conflict was mostly between the STC and the Yemeni national government. Armed clashes broke out between the two sides' forces on 28 August 2019, resulting in the central government's forces taking control of the Security Belt headquarters and the city as a whole. Two days later, on 30 August, the Security Belt forces were able to retake control of the city for the STC from the central government.

In 2020 there were reports of armed men intimidating merchants in al-Hawtah.

Economy
Historically, Lahij has produced coconuts. As of 1920, it used caravans to trade with Aden.

Al-Hawtah is the site of Lahj Governorate's main jasmine market, where it is gathered from farmers and then sold to cities throughout Yemen. Lahji jasmine is often considered the best jasmine in Yemen due to its strong, long-lasting fragrance, and jasmine forms a major part of Lahji culture and regional identity.

Health
There are 39 healthcare facilities in al-Hawtah, including 4 government-owned and 35 privately-owned. The government-owned facilities include 1 each of a public hospital, a maternity and childhood health center, a blood bank, and a health office. The privately-owned facilities include 16 clinics and 19 pharmacies. A survey as of March 2020 indicated that all 39 facilities were fully functioning (compared to 75% for the governorate as a whole).

A significant impediment for the healthcare sector in al-Hawtah is lack of funds, partly caused by the weak exchange rate of the Yemeni riyal to the US dollar. There is also a shortage of medical staff because of retirements and low salaries. Increases in the general population have also outpaced supply of medicines and other medical supplies, causing a shortage in that area as well. The Yemeni civil war has also caused significant damage to health infrastructure, particularly due to frequent power outages, and an influx of internally displaced people has also exacerbated ongoing medical shortages. Many of these IDPs lack have not been vaccinated against common diseases, leading to outbreaks in the city. Lack of food security also increased rates of malnutrition.

The Ibn Khaldun Hospital, the main public hospital in Lahj Governorate, was built in al-Hawtah in 1990. It has a bed capacity of 250. Most internally displaced people at other healthcare facilities get transferred to Ibn Khaldun for treatment. Services are generally provided free of charge so the hospital does not generate revenue. The Ibn Khaldun Hospital lacks air conditioning and medical specialists, most of whom have fled the country.

In 2015, al-Hawtah's maternity and child health center suffered major damage, which severely impeded access to healthcare for women and children. The maternity ward and storage unit were renovated in 2019 under direction of the United Nations Development Programme and SFD with a funding of US$136,548. As of 2020, it was reported as the largest and most-used medical storage facility in the governorate.

Education
As of 2017-18 school year, al-Hawtah had 1 preschool, 11 primary schools, 2 secondary schools, and 0 combined primary/secondary schools. Many of the city's schools are in poor condition due to ongoing conflict and lack of funds for maintenance; some have even been reported as being near collapse. They also have poor access to electricity and drinking water. There is a shortage of qualified teachers, who are often paid insufficiently and inconsistently. In January 2020, al-Hawtah's teachers went on strike in an attempt to get increased wages and monetary reimbursement for time spent working without pay. Since the outbreak of the civil war, there has been an increase in student enrollment because many internally displaced children came to al-Hawtah, putting further stress on the city's educators. Many children also feel physically unsafe going to school. Female participation in the education system remains relatively low compared to males, both among students and teachers.

The Nasser College of Agricultural Sciences was established in al-Hawtah in 1969 as a joint Yemeni-Egyptian project and quickly became the country's main agricultural institute. Its curriculum was initially prepared by members of Zagazig University's Faculty of Agricultural Sciences and adapted from Egyptian curriculums to meet local conditions. The Nasser College later became one of the three founding members of the University of Aden. It started offering graduate programs in 1996. By the eve of the Yemeni civil war, the college offered 7 master's programs and 2 doctoral programs. In 2015, when the war reached Lahj Governorate, the Nasser College was extensively looted and destroyed. All its holdings - including livestock, rare bird species, lab equipment, and tools - were stolen and it was left without hands-on teaching materials, leaving it only able to offer theoretical instruction. By 2020, private homes had been built on what had previously been college grounds.

Transport
A railway connecting Lahij with Aden was opened on 11th February 1919 and was extended to Al Khudad opening on 7th January 1920. There were two trains per day in each direction carrying passengers and goods. The railway was closed in July 1929.

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"...but quickly recalled due to the extreme cover art." What, exactly, does that mean?--65.184.43.177 08:24, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, considering I haven't actually seen the original cover art, I couldn't say. But it has been described as "extremely offensive" and there's some more info about it here (third paragraph from the bottom). Slicing 04:33, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey Slicing, cheers for cleaning this up. I added the Peel Sessions links a while back. It would be good to create a more comprehensive article as info on Unsane seems to be hard to come by.Azoic17

Is it worth mentioning in the article, that Chris Spencer is the brother of John Spencer (The Blues Explosion, Pussy Galore)?
 * I think so Hervegirod 22:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: moved (closed by non-admin page mover)  SITH   (talk)   20:27, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

– I'm not sure that the band can be considered the primary topic. Based on current usage the Soderbergh film gets around |Unsane_(film)|Unsane_(album) 95% of page views so while there's an element of WP:RECENTISM there is still an argument for making that the primary topic instead. On the other hand, if others don't agree about the film should Unsane (film) be regarded as an WP:INCOMPDAB given that the Argento film Tenebrae was originally released in the US under that title? PC78 (talk) 16:19, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Unsane → Unsane (band)
 * Unsane (film) → ?
 * Unsane (disambiguation) → ?
 * cf. Unsane (disambiguation) In ictu oculi (talk) 07:11, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Cheers, I've added the new dab page to this discussion. Questions are: Is there a primary topic? And if not, does the film need to be disambiguated by year? PC78 (talk) 16:33, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. Not the primary topic.--Cúchullain t/ c 17:16, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Support, and move Unsane (film) to Unsane. New film is primary per page views. --В²C ☎ 18:41, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. Redwolf24 01:50, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

John Moccia
Alright, I know, nominating an article three minutes after its creation is a little harsh, but the claim to notability, founding the "New Age Goomba" movement, looks very dubious. That movement is awfully secret, google for example didn't know that it existed. Sjakkalle (Check!)  08:24, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Is this real???? Very POV (Moccia was on his way to becoming President of the United States???), about a not known group of racists (that is, if the group rexists for real) Also, no disrespect to "numbers" but it was written by a number, so that makes it double suspicious. Immediate Delete. Antonio Cooler than Goomba Martin 10:51 15 August (UTC)
 * Delete Tonywalton | Talk 10:37, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, ay-yo! RasputinAXP   talk  *  contribs  11:23, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I became less notable just by reading that.  Nandesuka 12:03, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The article is more about the supposed movement than about the person. But since Google and myself and several other people haven't heard of this New Age Goomba Movement and because it can't be independantly verified, I vote for deletion. - Mgm|(talk) 12:20, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete I still can't understand how anyone can think something only they've ever heard of and can't be verified is notable. NO Google hits at all, and if it was as notable as the article writer seems to think it is there'd be something out there to verify this against. Nezu Chiza 20:59, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as claims cannot be verified. Hall Monitor 21:35, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
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Dick Hebdige

Dick Hebdige (born 1951) is an English media theorist and sociologist, and a professor emeritus of art and media studies at the University of California, Santa Barbara, where he taught from 2004 to 2021. His work is commonly associated with the study of subcultures, and its resistance against the mainstream of society. His current research interests include media topographies, desert studies, and performative criticism.

Hebdige has written extensively on contemporary art, design, media and cultural studies, on mod style, reggae, postmodernism and style, surrealism, improvisation, and Takashi Murakami. He has published three books: Subculture: The Meaning of Style (1979), Cut’n’mix: Culture, Identity and Caribbean Music (1987), and Hiding in the Light: On images and Things (1988). From 1974 to 2016, he published over 57 essays and articles.

Early life and education
Hebdige received his Master of Arts (MA) degree from the Centre for Contemporary Cultural Studies in Birmingham, England, and an honorary degree from Goldsmiths, University of London (formerly known as Goldsmiths' College).

Professional career
Hebdige has been teaching at art schools since the mid-1970s. Since 1992, Hebdige has been working on arts administration, events planning, program development, and curriculum innovation first at CalArts (2001-2008), then at the University of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB) as director of the Interdisciplinary Humanities Center from 2005 and as co-director of the University of California Institute for Research in the Arts (UCIRA). He served as the dean of critical studies and the director of the experimental writing program at the California Institute of the Arts before going to UCSB, where he is currently professor of film and media studies and art. In the UCSB art department, he is professor of "interdisciplinary/experimental Studies, (50% art, 50% film and media studies)." Hebdige is also a scholar in residence at the University of Houston where he has given multimedia lectures and performance series with the Cynthia Woods Mitchell Center for the Arts.

In partnership with the Future Art Research Institute in Phoenix, Arizona, Hebdige launched UCIRA’s Desert Studies Project in 2009. The program, now run from UCSB, is "a pilot program in interdisciplinary arts-centered research, immersion pedagogy, and process curating," aiming to "integrate arts-based research and the production, performance and exhibition of artworks into Desert Studies." The project invites students, faculty, and the public to make art that is "immersive" in the desert in multiple ways.

Major publications
Hebdige's 1979 book Subculture: The Meaning of Style was written between 1977 and 1978 amid the unfolding of punk in the United Kingdom. Hebdige, in his mid-twenties at the time, had just graduated with a Master of Arts degree from Birmingham University’s Centre for Contemporary Cultural Studies (CCCS). At this time, the domain of cultural studies was just emerging. Subculture was commissioned by University of Cardiff English professor and editor, Terence Hawkes, as part of a series published by Methuen called New Accents (aimed at introducing theoretical and interpretive approaches to English literature students). The commission was an opportunity for Hebdige to continue graduate work on developing a contextual, culturalist model of youth culture and consumption. Specifically, linking the concerns of youth culture, consumption, and the politics of insubordination to debates within aesthetics, semiotics, and poststructuralism. Hebdige states that “the aspiration was to blur the line between specialized, discipline-embedded academic and intellectually curious subcultural, non-academic readerships.” The book serves as a mirror of bricolage subculture, with “do-it-yourself bricolaged theory for do-it-yourself bricolaged subculture.”

Whereas previous research was concerned with the relation between subcultures and social class in postwar Britain, Hebdige saw youth cultures in terms of a dialogue between black and white youth. He argues that punk emerged as a mainly white style when black youth became more separatist in the 1970s in response to discrimination in British society. Previous research described a homology between the different aspects of a subcultural style (dress, hairstyle, music, drugs), while Hebdige argues that punk in London in 1976-77 borrowed from all previous subcultures and its only homology was chaos. In making this argument, he draws on the early work of Julia Kristeva who also found such subversion of meaning in French poets such as Mallarmé and Lautréamont.

Hebdige’s 1987 book Cut’n’Mix: Culture, Identity and Caribbean Music focuses on the music of the Caribbean including calypso, ska, reggae, and Caribbean club culture. Cut’n’Mix traces the roots of this music and describes the style and cultural identity that have developed alongside it. Specifically, the book addresses the African and Caribbean roots of the music in relation to religion and the myth and importance of rhythm, the music of Trinidad, the story of reggae, the musical and spiritual inheritance of Rastafari, the Jamaican record industry, and the scene of black British reggae, white Jamaican music, Two Tone, and the legacy of punk.

Hebdige’s 1988 book Hiding in the Light: On Images and Things is a collection of essays examining the creation and consumption of objects and images, including fashion and documentary photographs, 1950s streamlined cars, Italian motor scooters, 1980s style manuals, Biff cartoons, the Band Aid campaign, pop art, and pop music videos. Hebdige considers their cultural significance and impact on popular taste within the framework of modernity, postmodernity, and popular culture: “The wider questions raised in these debates are addressed throughout this book, but the stress falls on the ‘thing itself’ – and the author concludes that it is only by grounding our analysis in the study of particular images and objects that we can counteract the limitations of semiotics, mass culture theory and the vertigo of postmodernism.”

Thought
In interviews, Hebdige often challenges typical expectations and depictions of his role in academia. He has also spoken out about the division between his work as a writer and his job as a professor and lecturer, saying: “I tend to separate my writing – most of it for the last twenty years for art catalogs – from the teaching and other University work so that the conventional research component of what I do is in effect detached from my daily life in the academy. For instance, I’ve never taught a class on youth subculture though as an academic I’m identified almost exclusively with that topic because of a book I wrote more than 30 years ago.”

Publications by Hebdige

 * Subculture: The Meaning of Style. London & New York: Routledge, 1979.
 * Cut‘n’Mix: Culture, Identity and Caribbean Music. London & New York: Routledge, 1987.
 * Hiding in the Light: On Images and Things. London & New York: Routledge, 1988.

Publications with contributions by Hebdige

 * Sound Unbound: Sampling Digital Music and Culture. Cambridge, MA: MIT Press, 2008. Edited by Paul D. Miller a.k.a. DJ Spooky. ISBN 9780262633635. Hebdige contributed a chapter.

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Krag-Petersson
I'm resubmitting this article for peer review with an eye to get it up to FA-quailty (and perhaps even FA-status *smiles*). It has previously gone thru a peer review in December 2004 and it was a (failed) FAC in June 2005. I have extensivly rewritten, expanded and referenced the article over the last few days - so in essence it's a completly updated article compared to the one I submited for FAC earlier. I would like to hear any comments y'all might have on this article about one odf the first repeating rifles adopted by an armed force anywhere in the world. I do believe it's close to FA-standards, but inputs are needed for the last polish. Also, if someone with a better grasp of written English could look over it, it is appriciated. WegianWarrior 08:41, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It looks good to me. About the only thing that would be interesting to add would be a small comparison table with comparable rifles of the period. (The ones you have listed in the "see also" section, for example.) The table could show the rifle weight, typical rates of fire, muzzle velocities, and effective ranges. Hmm, what else? I saw mention of a bayonet for this rifle on one of the web pages. Is there any information on that? — RJH 17:56, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Good idea with the table - I'll see what I can put together. Same on the bayonet, I'll put in something about that as well. WegianWarrior 22:02, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * How about now? WegianWarrior 08:27, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes it looks good. Thanks. — RJH 22:50, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer it if the lead size is doubled. Its too short. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  07:50, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Lead expanded, anythign else you see that could be improved? WegianWarrior 08:32, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * ya, have a few minor suggestions. 1) Split the lead into two to make it easier to read. 2) Your notes after #11 don't work. Since all the footnotes come from the same source, I strongly suggest you use the inote instead. eg . There are four unique references mentioned in the =Notes= which should be included under the =reference= . Only the enfilading topic qualifies as a true footnote. =Notes= should come before references.  =Nichalp   «Talk»=  09:56, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Lead split into two paragraphs, fixed broken notes, shifted references to be after notes. Sticking to the and, at least for the time being, since I prefer that style personally. Besides, it's been recommended to me on earlier artilces I've nominated for FA. WegianWarrior 18:38, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Can't think of anything else to comment on, though I would still recommend inotes. :) =Nichalp   «Talk»=  05:14, August 24, 2005 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/De Vermiis Mysteriis

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The result of the debate was KEEP. But note that redirects for deletion should go to WP:RfD. Doens't seem any point relisting it there given the manner of voting and the discussion here. -Splash 01:08, 24 August 2005 (UTC)  This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep. Redwolf24 01:50, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

De Vermiis Mysteriis
I have come to believe that this article was inappropriately titled from the start (a typo?). All my sources indicate that the correct spelling is "De Vermis Mysteriis" – hence, the redirect I placed in the article. However, I don't believe that the improper spelling should appear in Wikipedia because it may mislead readers into believing that this is an alternate spelling. It is not! I can provide a list of sources with the correct spelling if necessary. G a t e 2 Valusia Oh? ..( contribs ) 08:29, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * No vote. This is a title of a fictional book.  I'm not familiar with Lovecraft's work any more, but the de in the title would be correct.  It means "about", and mysteriis is ablative plural case of mysterium, making the title "On (or about) the mysteries of the worm". "Vermis mysteriis" might also make sense, but would be an unusual title for a book. --Tony Sidaway Talk  08:53, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * To clarify, the problem is the double "i" in "Vermiis" – that's why the title is incorrect. What probably happened was that the original editor clicked on a red link with a typo in the title. The request here is to delete this particular redirect. To further clarify: the spelling used in Cthulhu mythos fiction is "De Vermis Mysteriis"; thus, "De Vermiis Mysteriis" constitutes an invalid redirect. "De Vermis Mysteriis" is the spelling that appears in the Robert Bloch short story that introduces the book, "The Shambler from the Stars" (written in 1935). G a t e 2 Valusia Oh? ..( contribs ) 09:09, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Duh! You're right, I completely misread. On googling, I find that this erroneous spelling occurs some 800 times.  So Keep. --Tony Sidaway Talk  10:19, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I think I remember that this (evidently false) title might have crept into at least the german translations (and maybe the french ones, too), especially regarding the Ctulhu-RPG...I'll have a look at it tonight, and tell you more tomorrow..for now I would opt for a keep for the redirect, as per Tony Sidaway Lectonar 11:29, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm positive now...the german version uses the double 'i' (at least the translation I own)..so it's a definite keep for the redirect from me Lectonar 08:15, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep redirect to Arcane literature (Cthulhu mythos). Redirects are always appropriate for common misspellings or variants, especially in foreign language words.  Speedy keep because VfD prevents redirect from operating. Smerdis of Tlön 14:13, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as redirect - misspellings are often used for redirects, and this rule should apply doubly in the case of the Cthulhu mythos. Having typed a whole list of namde of Lovecraftian articles recently, I can tell you that it is very easy to get the spellings wrong! Grutness...  wha?  01:23, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment the easy way to deal with these is just redirect to the right spelling/main article whatever - does no harm and is a lot easier than a VfD. A good portion of stuff on VfD should just have been turned into redirects when originally found. --zippedmartin 11:06, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * As far as I understood the nominator, he explicitly objected for the different spelling to be used at all (although you're obviously right in general), and this VfD prevents the redirect from workong, as quoted above. Cheers :) Lectonar 11:10, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * "should just have been turned into redirects", as in, rather than VfD. Stuff that gets a lot of keep/delete wrangling based on notability, is often really a 10 second redirect job if handled sensibly by the nominator. --zippedmartin 15:09, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
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