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TR3A

TR3A may refer to:

 * Triumph TR3A, automobile from the United Kingdom
 * TR-3A Black Manta, speculated USAF spyplane

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Melechesh

Melechesh is an ethnically Assyrian black metal band that originated in Jerusalem and is currently based in Amsterdam. Ashmedi started the band as a solo project in 1993. In the following year, guitarist Moloch and drummer Lord Curse were added to the line-up. The band's goal was to create a type of black metal incorporating extensive Middle Eastern influences mainly based on Assyrian (Mesopotamian) and occult themes (both musically and lyrically); the band invented the title "Mesopotamian metal" or "Sumerian Black Thrashing Metal" to best describe their type of metal. They are sometimes referred to as oriental metal.

Name etymology and pronunciation
The name Melechesh consists of two words of Hebrew and Aramaic origins: melech (meaning king; מֶלֶךְ, ܡܲܠܟܵܐ) and esh (meaning fire; אֵשׁ); hence, king of fire or fiery king. The portmanteau was originated by the band.

The digraph ch is pronounced similarly to the Scottish ch, as in the word loch, or the Greek letter Χ. The Modern Hebrew realization of it is the voiceless uvular fricative (/χ/). See Modern Hebrew phonology and Aramaic phonology. In English, an accepted and common pronunciation is me-lek-ESH.

Geographical origins
The band started their career in Jerusalem (and Bethlehem), where most Israeli Assyrians and many Israeli Armenians live today, and operated from there between 1993–1998; however, they have resided mainly in Amsterdam since 1998 for several personal, professional and demographic reasons.

History
The band's release in 1995 of the official demo As Jerusalem Burns... and 7-inch EP The Siege of Lachish attracted attention from both underground metal fans and local authorities. Melechesh were accused of "Dark Cult activities" by the law enforcement authorities of the city of Jerusalem, especially by a frontpage newspaper article which twisted some facts. The charges were eventually dropped.

In 1996, the band released their debut album As Jerusalem Burns...Al'Intisar on an American black metal record label; then newly recruited bassist Al'Hazred completed the line-up. This marked the band as the first signed band from the Middle East and also the first international signed metal band from Jerusalem and Bethlehem.

Due to various personal, professional, and demographic reasons, the band members had to relocate. In 1998, armed with a new promo CD "Mesopotamian Metal" and after a farewell gig in Jerusalem, Melechesh relocated to France and the Netherlands. Lord Curse remained in Jerusalem and later moved to the US to continue with his Art studies (and now works for George Lucas' ILM company), hence, the band had to recruit a new drummer. Absu vocalist and drummer Proscriptor soon filled the vacant position. From that point on, Melechesh have released two full-length albums: Djinn (2001), dealing with Mesopotamian mythology, and Sphynx (2003), dealing with Mesopotamian/Sumerian mythology while always keeping the dark and Near Eastern occult themes close to their hearts. The band recorded their fourth and highly acclaimed album Emissaries which is available in Europe (Osmose Productions) and by The End Records in the United States and Canada. Meanwhile, Xul has replaced Proscriptor as the band's full-time drummer. A documentary was begun filming the founder, about his plight to create the band. Despite the first director leaving the film after losing all footage he did in Jerusalem another director took over and the project is still on track. Ashmedi's biographical articles can be found on several reputable websites and printed magazines around the world, such as the magazines Decibel and Legacy. Meanwhile, since the release of the highly acclaimed The Epigenesis, Melechesh have been continuously touring around the world to further promote the album.

On 13 August 2013, Melechesh announced via their Facebook page that both Moloch and Ashmedi amicabliy decided that the former should leave the band, due to academic commitments. It was also revealed that drummer Xul was dismissed in July on good terms. Sirius has been drafted, after one gig the collaboration ended and the position is open for a guitar player. A new drummer will be announced in the future. It is also understood that Scorpios' position in the band is that of a full-time member.

Current members

 * Ashmedi – lead vocals, guitars, sitar, keyboards, piano (1993–present)

Former members

 * Uusur – bass (1995–1996)
 * Thamuz – bass (1995)
 * Cimeries – keyboards (1995)
 * Al Hazred – bass, vocals (1996–2008)
 * Proscriptor McGovern – drums, percussion, vocals (1999–2005)
 * Xul – drums (2005–2013)
 * Rahm – bass (2010–2011)
 * Scorpios – bass, vocals (backing) (2013–2016)

Current live members

 * Nomadic Soul – guitars (2019–present)
 * Nomadic Soul – bass (2020–present)
 * Simon Škrlec (BOBNAR) – drums (2015, 2016–present)

Session/live musicians

 * Simon Škrlec (BOBNAR) – drums (2015, 2016–present)
 * Kevin Paradis – drums (2014, 2015)
 * Geert Devenster – guitars
 * Kawn – bass, vocals (2007–2008)
 * Malak Al'Maut – guitars (2008–2009)
 * Rahm – bass (2009–2010)
 * Aethyris MacKay – guitars (2011)
 * Scorpios – bass, backing vocals (2012–2013)
 * Max Power – guitars (2013)
 * Ralph Santolla – guitars (2013)

Studio albums

 * As Jerusalem Burns...Al'Intisar (1996)
 * Djinn (2001)
 * Sphynx (2003, 2004 in North America)
 * Emissaries (2006, 2007 in North America)
 * The Epigenesis (2010)
 * Enki (2015)

EPs

 * The Siege of Lachish (1996)
 * The Ziggurat Scrolls (2004)
 * Mystics of the Pillar II (2012)

Demo

 * As Jerusalem Burns... (1995)

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Antietam National Battlefield

Antietam National Battlefield is a National Park Service-protected area along Antietam Creek in Sharpsburg, Washington County, northwestern Maryland. It commemorates the American Civil War Battle of Antietam that occurred on September 17, 1862.

The area, situated on fields among the Appalachian foothills near the Potomac River, features the battlefield site and visitor center, a national military cemetery, stone arch Burnside's Bridge, and a field hospital museum.

Features
In the Battle of Antietam, General Robert E. Lee's first invasion of the North ended on this battlefield in 1862. Established as Antietam National Battlefield Site August 30, 1890, the park was transferred from the War Department on August 10, 1933, and redesignated November 10, 1978. Along with all historic areas administered by the National Park Service, the battlefield was listed on the National Register of Historic Places on October 15, 1966. Additional documentation on the site was recorded by the National Park Service on February 27, 2009.

Cemetery
Antietam National Cemetery, which adjoins the park, covers 11.36 acre and contains more than 4,976 interments (1,836 unidentified). The cemetery was commissioned in 1865, and interments began in 1867, following an arduous process of identifying the remains, which was only successful in about 40% of the cases. Civil War era burials in this cemetery consist of only Union soldiers; Confederate dead were interred in the Washington Confederate Cemetery in Hagerstown, Maryland; Mt. Olivet Cemetery, in Frederick, Maryland; and Elmwood Cemetery in Shepherdstown, West Virginia. The cemetery also contains the graves of veterans and their wives from the Spanish–American War, both World Wars, and the Korean War. The cemetery was closed to additional interments in 1953. However, two exceptions have been made; the first in 1978 for Congressman Goodloe Byron and the second in 2000 for the remains of USN Fireman Patrick Howard Roy who was killed in the attack on the USS Cole. The cemetery was placed under the War Department on July 14, 1870; it was transferred to the National Park Service on August 10, 1933. The gatehouse at the cemetery entrance was the first building designed by Paul J. Pelz, later architect of the Library of Congress.

Visitor Center

The Antietam National Battlefield Visitor Center contains museum exhibits about the battle and the Civil War. The Visitor Center was constructed in 1962 as part of the Mission 66 plan. A 26-minute orientation film narrated by James Earl Jones is shown on the hour and the half-hour. The visitor center is open seven days a week from 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., except on Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's Day. Park rangers offer interpretive talks and an audio tour is available for purchase to accompany the self-guided 8.5 mi driving tour of the battlefield with eleven stops. Park Grounds are open daylight hours. There is a park entrance fee of $10.00 per person (age 17 or older; 16 and under FREE) or $20.00 per vehicle. The entrance fee is valid for three days.

Pry House Field Hospital Museum
The Pry House Field Hospital Museum is located in the house that served as Union Commander General George B. McClellan's headquarters during the battle. Exhibits focus on period medical care of the wounded, as well as information about the Pry House. The museum is sponsored by the National Museum of Civil War Medicine.

Antietam Battlefield Illumination
This memorial illumination was started in 1989 and continues to this day on the first Saturday in December. Every year, over a thousand volunteers place 23,000 luminaries in rows on the northern portion of the battlefield. The luminaries consist of a paper bag filled with sand and a candle, and represents a soldier that was killed, injured, or went missing during the Battle of Antietam.

Additional battlefield preservation
The Antietam National Battlefield was listed as one of America's Most Endangered Places in the years 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, according to the National Trust for Historic Preservation. The Battlefield was added to the list in response to a "...flawed proposal to construct a shopping center and other buildings on battlefield land, the listing helped to galvanize support and action by local, state and federal agencies and non-profit organizations." By 2017, the Antietam National Battlefield was deemed a success story and was included alongside ten other sites that previously named to the Most Endangered and also became the focus of successful preservation efforts.

The American Battlefield Trust and its federal, state, and local partners, including the Save Historic Antietam Foundation, have acquired and preserved 468 acres of the overall battlefield through mid-2023, including the "epicenter" tract, a 44.4-acre, previously privately owned parcel in the heart of the battlefield park between the Cornfield and the Dunker Church. The land, also known as the Wilson farm, was purchased by the Trust in 2015 for about $1 million. The preservation organization has since removed the postwar house and barn that stood on the property along Hagerstown Pike and returned the land to its wartime appearance.

Morning phase
The Battle began at dawn on September 17, 1862, when Maj. Gen. Joseph Hooker began the Union artillery bombardment of the Confederate positions of Maj. Gen. Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson in the Miller cornfield. Hooker's troops advanced behind the falling shells and drove the Confederates from their positions. Around 7 a.m. Jackson reinforced his troops and pushed the Union troops back. Union Maj. Gen. Joseph K. Mansfield sent his men into the fray and regained some of the ground lost to the Confederates.

Midday phase
As the fighting in the cornfield was coming to a close, Maj. Gen. William H. French was moving his Federals forward to support Maj. Gen. John Sedgwick and veered into Confederate Maj. Gen. D.H. Hill's troops posted in the Sunken Road. Fierce fighting continued here for four hours before the Union troops finally took the road.

Afternoon phase
On the southeast side of town, Union Maj. Gen. Ambrose E. Burnside's XI Corps had been trying to cross Antietam Creek since mid-morning, being held up by only 500 Georgia sharpshooters. Around 1 p.m., they finally crossed Burnside's Bridge and took the heights. After a 2-hour lull to reform the Union lines, they advanced up the hill, driving the Confederates back towards Sharpsburg. But for the timely arrival of Maj. Gen. A.P. Hill's division from Harpers Ferry, Burnside would have entered Sharpsburg. Instead, the Union troops were driven back to the heights above the bridge.

Conclusion
The battle was over with the Union sitting on three sides, waiting for the next day. During the night of the 18th, General Lee pulled his troops back across the Potomac River, leaving the battle and the town to General McClellan. It was the bloodiest day in United States history, with a combined tally of 22,717 dead, wounded, or missing.

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User talk:Jguk/Archive9

List of Wikipedians by featured list nominations
There was a list for people who nominated FAC's and passed, I figured a list list this is already created. Unless I missed a few (which I might have, since I noticed many talk pages still has FLC instead of FL). These are being created since a new admin said that edit counts should not longer be used to determine ones' worth on here. Frankly, I agree. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 02:26, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Portal:Cricket
At Portal:Cricket you reverted my simplification of the categories section saying it was better for mirrors. Is it policy to make pages look good for mirrors? I've put a question on the help desk. Thanks, for the edit summary, it was very helpful. --Commander Keane 10:15, September 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've started a discussion at the portal talk. --Commander Keane 13:21, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Please substantiate or withdraw allegation
On Arbitration Committee Elections December 2005/Proposed modifications to rules you alleged that Condorcet voting systems are biased in favor of those who advocate them. Election fraud is a serious matter, and the claim that someone advocates voting-systems under false claims of fairness is a serious allegation.

Please provide (on that page; not here or in my talk page) any historical examples of elections where this has happened. You claimed that this "abounds everywhere", so surely there are many examples easily accessible to you. These examples might be in the "real world", or drawn from online groups which use Condorcet methods (I think Debian does, for one). Please provide whatever examples you had in mind. If, however, you do not have any such examples that you can provide, I fear that your claim will be regarded as FUD, and I encourage you to withdraw it. Thank you. --FOo 18:27, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

 * firstly, please note that WP is full of volunteers, orders are always unlikely to gain a good response. Look at where it's been used in real-life! You won't find one honest example. It's like a three card trick. Also, the only reason for having a voting system hardly anyone understands is so that it can be worked by those few who do understand it to their advantage, jguk 18:34, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks. As for the govs, lets see. That list is incomplete. The first governor Gerard Aungier (I think) is not mentioned on that site. As for you, if your in the 5th Ashes test ground, how do I look out for you? =Nichalp  «Talk»=  19:42, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

 * Pavilion... so I'd have to wait for someone like Flintoff (who incidently shares my birthday) to hit a six straight down the ground to guess who you are. I'll keep in mind someone your age (hidden in comments: ) . Its covered on ESPN here, and the news channels do give a daily update. Newspapers go beserk though, one page is simply not enough.  =Nichalp   «Talk»=  19:54, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

RFC reform
I've proposed a minor change to the RFC system and was informed you may have some experience with trying to fix it as well. perhaps you could take a quick look and see if I'm reinventing someone else's wheel. RFC reform. FuelWagon 03:15, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Rosicrucian article
Dear user Jguk, as I have seen a edition of yours at the article Rosicrucian, I come to request your support to this article that I have just purposed for nomination at Featured_article_candidates. May you may give a look into it? And, if you consider it acceptable, then may you support it? Thank you! :) --GalaazV 02:49, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Cricket portal template
What's wrong with the Portal template on the cricket page to direct people to the Cricket portal? Takes up less room than the bolded message, looks better, and is a common wikipedia feature. In case you have forgotten, you say "Please leave this here, it's much better than that silly jigsaw thing on the right hand side of other portal pages"--Commander Keane 17:13, September 9, 2005 (UTC)

 * I have to say, I agree with this one: it is much better to have standard templates for this sort of thing, even if is is a "silly jigsaw thing". -- ALoan (Talk) 18:17, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Of course, the bold thing to do would be to get rid of the silly jigsaw thing... [[smoddy ]] 18:27, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

I have gotten rid of it from the cricket-related pages, jguk 18:41, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I think smoddy meant that if you have a problem with the jigsaw thing, see if you can improve the template.--Commander Keane 09:12, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, that was exactly what I meant. It doesn't make much sense as it is.  But I am out of ideas to fix it.   [[smoddy ]] 10:20, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Congrats!
Congrats on regaining the Ashes. I heard your voice on TV. (joking) Also wish you a happy 1 year anniv. on WP. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  19:24, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

 * YAY! Go England! Hope you had some happy moments in all the rain! :D Sam Vimes 19:39, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Well done! (he says while gritting teeth :) - I imagine Petersen will be knighted. I'm looking forward to getting some sleep. -- Ian ≡ talk 04:26, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Edward Tylecote
Hi Brookie here - I've added a couple of pictures to the article. :) The curate's egg 10:09, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Image:Spanish-Moroccan_border_%28Ceuta-Sebta%29.JPG
This image lacks source information, could you provide it? --Gmaxwell 11:37, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Cricket Suggestions
Hi, I've left this message on the Project talk page to follow up on something about which we exchanged messages (this was a couple of months ago!). I've listed some ideas on how to make some of the articles that serve to explain cricket a bit clearer, and although I'm sure you check the talk page regularly, I thought I'd flag it up on your own page. I hope it's useful - let me know if otherwise and I'll just stick to updating the cricketer infoboxes! -- High (Hopes) [ (+) ] 13:37, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Image:Surrey v Yorkshire 17 April 2005.JPG
Could you put some licensing information on this, please? I get the impression that images without such are likely to be deleted rather more aggressively in the future, and we don't want to lose this one. Loganberry (Talk) 00:33, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply about this; as per your comment I'll add the GFDL tag if I see any other non-marked pics by you. Loganberry (Talk) 11:23, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Formatting of Cricket Portal/Wikiproject Cricket
Jon, just a brief message - I recently set up Portal:Politics and Wikiproject Politics, and was wondering if you objected to my use of some of the formatting on the corresponding cricket pages. While I may well set up everything anew in the future and the colours would be different, I would be very grateful if I can use some of the 'code' from the cricket pages to help me get things started - I haven't the foggiest on how to use the code that generates tables and borders etc. Plus, imitation is the greatest form... But let me know if you'd rather I didn't borrow. Thanks, --HighHopes (T)⋅ [ (+)] ⋅(C)⋅(E) 14:51, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

about fonts
Can you please tell me if you can read "Μέγας Αλέξανδρος" or Μέγας Αλέξανδρος? (the "first" and Μέγας Αλέξανδρος looks better in my browser, but I guess that's another story) +MATIA ☎ 11:28, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your answer! Should we replace the text that has ε with one of those texts (perhaps one that uses a template)? +MATIA ☎ 12:04, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't understand the phrase "you could plump for one" - my english aren't that good. I'm guessing you meant I could insert one of those versions and see how it goes, right? +MATIA ☎ 12:10, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

It already had the polytonic template so I kept it :) Thanks for your help. +MATIA ☎ 12:17, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

I thought I should write it in polytonic since it had that template. You can't see Ἀ nor Ἀ, right? (a plain Alpha Α is ok I guess). +MATIA ☎ 12:34, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

BCE
I see that you are continuing to change articles that are quite happily sitting with BC notation to BCE, somewhat against WP policy - as is your approach to using invective rather than explaining your position. Only BC notation has worldwide recognition amongst our target audience, and good writing requires an author to use terms his reader will understand and be familiar with (as opposed to requiring the reader to put up with the writer's peccadilloes). I don't understand why you are so in favour of trying to make our articles more inaccessible - but then, of course, I can't, as you have consummately failed to discuss your position.

So far the majority of your edits to WP have been purely destructive, and those which have helped WP have been somewhat minor in nature. If this is all you can contribute, please consider whether your energies would be better served elsewhere - life is short and you are more trouble here than you are worth at present. Kind regards, jguk 18:23, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Are you going to comment on your actions - which only serve to make WP less accessible to its reader base, or just blindly revert in the hope that in time anyone who reads WP will go away? jguk 18:21, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

When are you going to do something other than revert to insert your POV, which is contrary to WP policy? It's not the done thing to revert blindly, but it's difficult to see a resolution to this when you are unwilling to discuss your behaviour, which to date has been entirely against the spirit of Wikipedia. Wikipedia needs good editors, it does not need editors who only disrupt it, which is what you have done so far, jguk 15:32, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

I have not changed any date styles. It is you who have engaged in a mass campaign to enforce your POV on other editors, and have disrupted Wikipedia for over a year. All your edits outside of trivial cricket articles seem to be to further some particluar stylistic preference you hold, whether it is BCE/CE, styles for royalty, British/American spelling, spelling of U.S., etc. Why don't you find something more productive to do? Sortan 15:41, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

History template
I like the little history topics template you've added to various pages. Very imaginative and useful too. Well done. --Jack 17:54, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Jet engine
Partaining to the Microsoft Jet Engine Article, is it the database part that's confusing? I.E. should I spell out what a database is, what a relational database is, etc.? Or is it something else? Ryan Norton T 20:56, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

 * It's been a couple of days. What do you think? Ryan Norton T 02:28, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Player Focus in Season Summaries
Yes, you're quite right about the POV thing on here and some people would do their nuts.

I've reworded two or three of the pieces as well because they talk about "the award". I've changed the emphasis to indicate that it is simply a focus on one player per season, which is much better. The idea is to have a different player every time (as per Wisden). I thought it would add something to the season summary if we can focus on a specific individual because the trouble with early cricket is that it is a personality-free zone: finding a player's name is like a needle in a haystack! Besides I was a bit uneasy about having the patrons as "player of the year" because, although they all played, were they the best or simply the richest? Having them in a focus, it doesn't matter how well they played; you could easily put someone like Neville Cardus in a focus if none of the players were good enough that year.

Tim Coleman is a case in point. I have so far found only one single reference to him and yet he was a "famous" player and he played for the most successful club of the time. As for who his team mates were......!?

All the best. --Jack 06:38, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Mike Procter photo again
Hi jguk,

Re /Archive8: I've now added a tag to all four portraits from International cricket in South Africa (1971 to 1981). This means they're in danger of being deleted unless you can add source and copyright information.

Thanks,

Stephen Turner 19:28, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

BCE, again
I agree my edit summary may have been confusing - I was addressing the first part of it to you, and the second part to Humus Sapiens et al. I tend to agree that it's a bit silly to continue to use a calendar whose entire basis is in the Christian religion yet to object to using its well-known and traditional terminology because it's "Christian-centric" (!!!). However, given that lots of people do seem to feel strongly about it, and that using AD can be seen to imply recognition of the divinity of Christ, I think it's as well that we have a form of compromise worked out on the style guide pages which will allow us to get on with other things rather than fighting over this. That was my rationale for reverting to the BCE/CE version. Hope that makes my position clear. Palmiro | Talk 08:56, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

ArbCom questions
I have answered your questions here. I hope I have answered them adequately. — Ilγαηερ   (Tαlκ)  21:06, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks, jguk 21:17, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Holy cow, I'm 23 and I feel old after reading the arbcom election answers so far, LOL! Ryan Norton T 21:29, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

(cross posted to talk page) Jguk, you asked every candidate ''Q: How old are you and what do you do? (If student, please state what subjects you are studying.)'' I fail to see how this is pertinent to the ArbCom elections. The candidate's age shouldn't matter; indeed, this is a personal detail some may feel hesistant in disclosing. Knowing someone's age should not be a factor; it doesn't matter if the candidate is two, twelve, twenty-two, or (heaven forbid) two-hundred and twenty-two. If you're concerned about the maturity of the users, people should be able to evaluate that regardless of the age. Someone at fourteen or fifteen (which we have several candidates) can be just as mature as someone fourty or fifty, if not more. It shouldn't matter. You shouldn't judge a book by its cover, and you shouldn't judge someone by his/her age, especially if someone is unwilling to disclose that piece of personal information. Also, you ask students to state what subjects they are taking. Again, it shouldn't matter. I really don't care if someone is taking underwater basket weaving 101, advanced literature, nuclear physics, or is working towards a Ph.D. in the arts; you don't need any qualifications to sit on the ArbCom, and I frankly don't see how the classes someone is taking should be included. If you're worried that a candidate might not have enough time, why not ask them so directly? Do you feel that you will have enough time throughout your term to accomplish the tasks of ArbCom? Jguk, I ask that you reconsider your first question. Of course, I respect your opinion, and I don't mind if candidates want to reply to that question, but I also ask that if someone does not wish to answer that question, that it not be held against him/her. Thanks very much for listening to me, and as always, I value your opinion. Thanks very much for your understanding! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | WS 23:22, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

P.S. I apologize in advance if I am being blunt or if the above post sounded tactless (it wasn't meant to be, and I hope it isn't), but I just feel strongly about this matter. As always, I respect everyone else's opinion, and yours is valued. :-) Happy editing! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | WS 23:22, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

 * It's only a background question, no candidates are forced to answer any questions if they don't want to, and no-one is required to base their votes on the answers. There's a questions and comments section, I see no problem in asking questions that I feel will tell me more about the various candidacies, jguk 23:31, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

BCE again, again
Hi Jguk, I left a question for you a few days ago on Talk:Kingdom of Judah, but you may not have seen it. I'm repeating it here because I think it goes to the heart of the issue. The arbcom ruled that BC shouldn't be changed to BCE and vice versa "unless there is some substantial reason for the change." That is, they ruled that the first-contributor or first-major-contributor rule does not apply where "there is some substantial reason for the change." So my question to you is: what kind of circumstance do you see as counting as a "substantial reason for the change"? That is, what change of BC to BCE would you regard as being consistent with the arbcom ruling? SlimVirgin (talk) 07:55, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

 * This is a difficult one - if there were a clear example then no doubt the ArbCom would have given one, despite there being many Arbitrators who could have proposed ideas. No doubt they were mindful that no suggestion made by the community to date had come close to reaching consensus. I'm also mindful that a proposal to leave date notation questions to the talk pages of individual articles also failed to gain community consensus, largely as there was no appetite to repeat the same arguments over a large number of articles. I think a "substantial reason for the change" would be if it was consistent with a proposal discussed community-wide that gained consensus. However, I don't see any proposal gaining this consensus at present. Another reason would be if it were a change that was so obvious that no-one would rationally oppose it - again I can't think of a real-life example here, jguk 08:12, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your reply. By "substantial reason for the change," the arbcom can't have meant "something consistent with a proposal discussed community-wide that gained consensus," because there was and is no such proposal, so they must have meant something else — because they clearly saw their ruling as coming into force when the case closed, and not at some distant date in the future when consensus was reached (in which case their ruling would anyway be redundant). As you know, the MoS isn't policy and any editor is free to ignore it, so the closest thing we have to a policy regarding BCE is the arbcom ruling, and that's what we have to adhere to, like it or not. It seems to me that they left "substantial reason" deliberately undefined, leaving it to editors on the page to decide whether a "substantial reason" exists. If an article being about Jewish or Persian history doesn't constitute such a reason, I can't see what would. By the way, where was the proposal to leave date notation to article pages that failed to gain consensus? I wasn't involved in the dispute, so I don't know everything that was discussed. SlimVirgin (talk) 08:28, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

If the ArbCom had meant to imply that articles on Jewish or Persian history should say BCE, I'm sure they would have done - so I don't believe you can be right there - especially as they would have been aware that there was no community consensus about that point and wouldn't have wished to get involved in a content dispute. Absent the "substantial reason" rider, I suppose they could have been accused of deciding policy, the rider makes it clear that there could be a way of changing what styles were used, but they can't think of what it may be, jguk 08:40, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the links by the way to the discussion about the compromise proposal, and the one about religoustolerance.org, which I see is run by a retired engineer, a nurse, and an unemployed waitress. Possibly not one of our best sources. The entire last section of Historical persecution by Christians relied on it until a few days, including a paragraph about how pagans are economically persecuted in Canada. [[image:meh.gif]] Anyway, I've deleted anything for which it was the sole source, so thanks for the heads up. SlimVirgin (talk) 17:59, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

 * JG, I reverted you (twice) on Jerusalem because my understanding of the policy was the same as yours: that since both styles are acceptable, one shouldn't be arbitrarily changed to the other. A cursory look at the page history had satisfied me that the BCE version was there first (I checked back as far as the edit before Ramallite's). Since this appears also to be your understanding of the rules, would you consider a ceasefire on this page to spare everybody a needless waste of time?

 * I agree with you that BCE/CE is unusual in British English and not necessarily understood by everyone, particularly outside an academic context. However, all the dates are linked and the link for e.g. 19BCE redirects to 19BC, which should make it plain to a hypothetical puzzled user what it is. If you think this is insufficient, then in line with your views as to what the policy is, do you think you could simply get around that by putting the other version in brackets after the first use on the page? (of course, this is not provided for in the MoS and may not be acceptable to anybody, it's just a random idea that came into my head and should probably have stayed there) Palmiro | Talk 12:29, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

David Mertz
I listed the David Mertz article for deletion once again, just wanted to see if you still had an issue with it or wanted to vote. --ScottyBoy900Q 16:51, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration Committee questions
Hi jguk, I have answered the questions you asked me re: the Arbitration Committee elections. Thanks for your questions, Talrias (t | e | c) 07:35, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi, for some reason, I seem to have been spared your questioning. Was this an oversight? Filiocht | The kettle's on 07:55, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I have now tried to answer. If you would like further clarification, just ask. Filiocht | The kettle's on 11:45, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia: Cricket Project
Yes, I would be interested in joining Project Cricket. How do you sign up? (And oh yes, screw England for winning the Ashes, as an Australian fan). Rickster89

Dates on Jerusalem
You are repeatedly reverting the dates on Jerusalem. Please note that if you violate the three revert rule policy you can be blocked immediately with no further warnings. But even more importantly, you are violating the intent of Wikipedia. There has not been a discussion about the dates on the article talk page. It is clear from the edit history that more users support the other version, not yours. It is not right for you to continually revert the article when a consensus has not been reached on the talk page, especially since you appear to be in the minority. If you want this change, you should propose it on the talk page and then make it only if your proposal achieves consensus. Otherwise you are being disruptive and other users are within reason to bring dispute resolution procedures against you. This can result in your editing privileges being restricted or revoked.

Please do not make this change again until you have obtained consensus on the article talk page. Jdavidb (talk) 19:56, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

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Apagón

Apagón (in Spanish, literally, blackout) is a form of protest that was employed several times in some large cities of Argentina, during the economic crisis at the beginning of the 2000s. The justification for a blackout as a form of protest was a rejection of the proposed increase of fees of electricity and other basic services.

Argentina
During the 1990s, under the Menem administration, the Convertibility Law guaranteed a fixed exchange rate of 1 U. S. dollar per Argentine peso, and the private companies that supplied electric power, telephone service, natural gas and drinking water, among others, earned consistently high profits, which could be turned into dollars and sent abroad with no loss. A number of these service providers had also secured dollarized fees, contracts that entitled them to ask for increases in their fees subject to the inflation of the United States, and other provisions of the kind.

After the uncontrolled devaluation of the peso in 2002, the profit measured in dollars was diminished proportionally, and their local operating costs in pesos skyrocketed. The service companies asked the national government of Argentina to authorize considerable fee increases (in some cases over 100%). The Duhalde administration rejected the possibility for a while, but finally called for consultation meetings to discuss the matter.

The public reacted angrily to this, accusing the private companies of being greedy and oblivious to the dangerously unstable social environment: half of the population was under the poverty line, unemployment was over 20%, and inflation continued rising. On September 19, 2002, political activists and organizations (Elisa Carrió's ARI, other left-wing parties, piqueteros, the Central de Trabajadores Argentinos, neighbourhood assemblies, etc.) gathered in Plaza de Mayo and called for a widespread intentional "blackout".

On September 24, between 8 and 8.15 p.m., in Buenos Aires and some other large cities, people turned off the lights in their houses and apartments. Many businesses closed their doors and also diminished the lights. In the streets, drivers honked their horns, and there were isolated cacerolazos. The Legislative building of the Autonomous City of Buenos Aires turned off the illumination of its facade.

The actual strength of the blackout was relatively minor, and even then it was mostly concentrated in Buenos Aires, but the combination of the protests was marked by the media. The government postponed the renegotiation of public service fees indefinitely.

Spain
In Spain, since November 2011 there is also a campaign named A-pagón: No pagues centrales nucleares y de carbón (A-pagón: Don't pay for nuclear and coal-fired power stations) related to the avoiding of the augmentative term "pagón" which could be translated as "big payer". The campaign's idea is "Don't pay for electricity until it is produced by 100%-renewable-and-clean methods".

The activists of this campaign argue that "If you don't pay electricity until it would be clean, all the electricity company can do is to disconnect you for a minute, which is the time you need to reconnect it", and also states that "You must maintain always the meter count: in this way the dirty company knows the money it has not incoming, due to using dirty means to produce the electricity".

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Seems sensible. Since nobody's objected, I'll merge the two. PeteVerdon 14:52, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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in sicilian dialect minchia means "dick" so minchione in the article translated as "fool" is the literally "big dick" --Melaen 14:54, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I saw that someone had added a bit about this word to the article on Latin profanity, and mentions it as a survival from Classical mentula. The etymology seems plausible, and I have added it and appropriate links to the article.  Thanks.  Smerdis of Tlön 14:15, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Right, and I've always heard "minchiata" used like "cazzata", which in turn comes from 'cazzo' - Italian for 'dick'. Both minchiate and cazzate mean "something stupid"... sort of how one might use "what a bunch of BS" in English.

Tarot Family of card games

 * I support an introductory page with all of the tarot family of card games listed. Ideally this should be under tarot, but there you run into the conflict with the occultists. The name in the English language for the family of card games is Tarot, and since this is the English version of Wikipedia, the term in English should be the prefered one. In other languages it is Tarock, Taraut, Tarocco (Tarocchi), etc. They are all related trick-taking card games with a common origin. That is why they are all included in Michael Dummett's book The Game of Tarot . They do not use identical cards of course. That is because of divergences in playing card fashions and suit signs in each region. In german speaking areas of Switzerland, they use the 1JJ Tarot pack with Italian suit signs. In Sicily, they use the unique Tarocco Siciliano pack. There are also Tarocco Piedmontese, Tarocco Bolognese, and other packs from Milan, etc. There are at least three distinct versions of the Austrian-style Tarock pack. Then there are the French tarot versions with the arabic numerals on the top. These are all tarot playing cards, and are used to play related games. The question is, why are Tarock and Tarocchi on the same page, while French Tarot is on another? Tarock and French Tarot have french suit symbols, while Tarocco uses Italian suit signs. There should be one introductory article for the family of tarot games (similar to the presentation in the Tarocchi article), then individual main articles on each regional variation (with cards used, style of play, regional variations, etc.). This is what is done with other cards games such as Rummy, where there are many variations and regional games. Most of the Rummy family of games are listed in a special section of the article. I think that Tarot (game) should be the general page, and perhaps a special page created for "French Tarot", Tarocco (Tarrochi), Troccas (Swiss), Austrian-style Tarock, and Minchiate. The problem with all this evidently arises due to the unique situation of one family of card games having varying playing card standards in various regions. -- Parsa 21:54, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

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The City of Falling Angels

The City of Falling Angels (2005) is a non-fiction work by John Berendt. The book tells the story of some interesting inhabitants of Venice, Italy, whom the author met while living there in the months following a fire which destroyed the historic La Fenice opera house in 1996.

Synopsis
The book explores local reactions to the fire, from the American "Save Venice" Foundation to Venice's bureaucratic government. The opera house burned again while the second renovation was ongoing.

Among those interviewed is Archimede Seguso, a renowned Venetian glassblower of the twentieth century. Seguso lived directly behind La Fenice and witnessed the fire. Soon afterwards he created glassworks dedicated to the memory of the fire, in his own rendition of how the opera house burned.

The book also tells the story of many American and English expatriates who went to live in Venice, from Daniel Curtis, who owned Palazzo Barbaro where Henry James and John Singer Sargent were guests, to the poet Ezra Pound, who lived the last part of his life in Venice with his long-time mistress Olga Rudge.

Reception
Upon this book's release on September 27, 2005, it entered Amazon.com's Top Ten Bestsellers list and was number one on the New York Times Best Seller list.

According to Kirkus Reviews, "Berendt does great justice to an exalted city that has rightly fascinated the likes of Henry James, Robert Browning, and many filmmakers throughout the world."

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Polymatroid

In mathematics, a polymatroid is a polytope associated with a submodular function. The notion was introduced by Jack Edmonds in 1970. It is also described as the multiset analogue of the matroid.

Definition
Let $$E$$ be a finite set and $$f: 2^E\rightarrow \mathbb{R}_+$$ a non-decreasing submodular function, that is, for each $$ A\subseteq B \subseteq E$$ we have $$ f(A)\leq f(B) $$, and for each $$ A, B \subseteq E$$ we have $$ f(A)+f(B) \geq f(A\cup B) + f(A\cap B) $$. We define the polymatroid associated to $$ f$$ to be the following polytope:

$$P_f= \Big\{\textbf{x}\in \mathbb{R}_+^E~\Big|~\sum_{e\in U}\textbf{x}(e)\leq f(U), \forall U\subseteq E\Big\}$$.

When we allow the entries of $$ \textbf{x} $$ to be negative we denote this polytope by $$EP_f$$, and call it the extended polymatroid associated to $$f$$.

An equivalent definition
Let $$E$$ be a finite set. If $$ \textbf{u}, \textbf{v} \in \mathbb{R}^E$$ then we denote by $$|\textbf{u}|$$ the sum of the entries of $$\textbf{u}$$, and write $$ \textbf{u} \leq \textbf{v}$$ whenever $$ \textbf{v}(i)-\textbf{u}(i)\geq 0$$ for every $$i \in E$$ (notice that this gives an order to $$\mathbb{R}_+^E$$). A polymatroid on the ground set $$E$$ is a nonempty compact subset $$P$$ in $$ \mathbb{R}^E_+$$, the set of independent vectors, such that:
 * 1) We have that if $$ \textbf{v} \in P$$, then $$ \textbf{u} \in P$$ for every $$ \textbf{u}\leq \textbf{v}$$:
 * 2) If $$ \textbf{u},\textbf{v} \in P$$ with $$ |\textbf{v}|> |\textbf{u}|$$, then there is a vector $$\textbf{w}\in P$$ such that $$ \textbf{u}<\textbf{w}\leq (\max\{\textbf{u}(1),\textbf{v}(1)\},\dots,\max\{\textbf{u}({|E|}),\textbf{v}({|E|})\}) $$.

This definition is equivalent to the one described before, where $$ f$$ is the function defined by $$ f(A) = \max\Big\{\sum_{i\in A} \textbf{v}(i)~\Big|~ \textbf{v} \in P\Big\}$$ for every $$ A\subset E$$.

Relation to matroids
To every matroid $$ M$$ on the ground set $$E$$ we can associate the set $$ V_M= \{\textbf{w}_F~|~ F\in \mathcal{I}\}$$, where $$ \mathcal{I}$$ is the set of independent sets of $$ M$$ and we denote by $$ \textbf{w}_F$$ the characteristic vector of $$ F\subset E$$: for every $$ i\in E$$

$$ \textbf{w}_{F}(i)=\begin{cases} 1, & i\in F;\\ 0, & i\not \in F.\end{cases}$$

By taking the convex hull of $$ V_M$$ we get a polymatroid. It is associated to the rank function of $$M$$. The conditions of the second definition reflect the axioms for the independent sets of a matroid.

Relation to generalized permutahedra
Because generalized permutahedra can be constructed from submodular functions, and every generalized permutahedron has an associated submodular function, we have that there should be a correspondence between generalized permutahedra and polymatroids. In fact every polymatroid is a generalized permutahedron that has been translated to have a vertex in the origin. This result suggests that the combinatorial information of polymatroids is shared with generalized permutahedra.

Properties
$$P_f$$ is nonempty if and only if $$f\geq 0$$ and that $$EP_f$$ is nonempty if and only if $$f(\emptyset)\geq 0$$.

Given any extended polymatroid $$EP$$ there is a unique submodular function $$f$$ such that $$f(\emptyset)=0$$ and $$EP_f=EP$$.

Contrapolymatroids
For a supermodular f one analogously may define the contrapolymatroid
 * $$\Big\{w \in\mathbb{R}_+^E~\Big|~\forall S \subseteq E, \sum_{e\in S}w(e)\ge f(S)\Big\}$$

This analogously generalizes the dominant of the spanning set polytope of matroids.

Discrete polymatroids
When we only focus on the lattice points of our polymatroids we get what is called, discrete polymatroids. Formally speaking, the definition of a discrete polymatroid goes exactly as the one for polymatroids except for where the vectors will live in, instead of $$ \mathbb{R}^E_+$$ they will live in $$ \mathbb{Z}^E_+$$. This combinatorial object is of great interest because of their relationship to monomial ideals.

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Black Pullet

The Black Pullet (original French: La poule noire) also known in French as “la poule aux œufs d’or” (the hen that lays golden eggs) is a grimoire that proposes to teach the "science of magical talismans and rings", including the art of necromancy and Kabbalah. It is believed to have been written in the 18th century by an anonymous French officer who served in Napoleon's army. The text takes the form of a narrative centering on the French officer during the Egyptian expedition led by Napoleon (referred to here as the "genius") when his unit is suddenly attacked by Arab soldiers (Bedouins). The French officer manages to escape the attack, but is the only survivor. An old Turkish man appears suddenly from the pyramids and takes the French officer into a secret apartment within one of the pyramids. He nurses him back to health whilst sharing with him the magical teachings from ancient manuscripts that escaped the "burning of Ptolemy's library".

The book contains instructions on the creation of magical properties such as talismanic rings and amulets, and on how to master their extraordinary powers. Perhaps the most interesting magical property claimed in the book is the Black Pullet, otherwise known as the Hen that lays Golden Eggs. The grimoire claims that the person who understands and attains the power to instruct the Black Pullet will gain unlimited wealth. The notion of such a lucrative possession has been reflected throughout history in fables, fairy tales and folklore.

This text has often been associated to two other texts, known as the Red Dragon (or The Grand Grimoire) and the Black Screech Owl. The latter is also confusingly known as The Black Pullet or Treasure of the Old Man of the Pyramids, and is in fact an alternate printing of the original Black Pullet with only slight changes. All three grimoires claim to possess the science of ancient magic.

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Hernando Urriago Benítez

Hernando Urriago Benítez is a poet and essay writer who was born in Cali, Colombia in 1974. He studied literature in Universidad del Valle and a Magister in Colombian and Latin American literature. His grading thesis was about essay writer Baldomero Sanín Cano. Urriago Benítez won the National Poetry Prize in 1999.

He currently works in Universidad del Valle with other writers like Carlos Patiño Millán, Fabio Martínez and Oscar Perdomo Gamboa.

Works

 * Esplendor de la Ceniza (Cinder's splendor), 2003.
 * Caligrafías del Asombro. 2006, essays
 * Caligrafías del asombro: ensayos críticos sobre letras de Colombia y de Latinoamérica, Universidad del Valle, 2006, ISBN 978-958-670-486-1
 * El signo del centauro: variaciones sobre el discurso ensayístico de Baldomero Sanín Cano, Universidad del Valle, 2007, ISBN 978-958-670-563-9
 * Hernando Urriago Benítez, Fabio Martínez Cali-grafías, la ciudad literaria, 2008, ISBN 978-958-670-632-2, collecting authors like Jorge Isaacs, Andrés Caicedo and José Eustaquio Palacios.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lara language

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete. R e  dwolf24  (talk) 04:46, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Lara language
A constructed language with a few problems. Firstly there is actually a language called Lara spoken by about 12,000 people in Indonesia however this is not it. I can only find a handful of google hits associated with this particular language, and most of those are conlang websites that can be edited by the user. Also the author of this article readily admits on his talk page that he is the original author of the language in question. The other pages that are linked to from the article (Esperanto, Italian and Wikisource) were each started on 27th July, 25th August and 27th August respectively. I'm just not getting the impression from my research into this that it's that notable. Francs2000 | Talk 14:58, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - non-notable language not in common use. Rob Church Talk 15:00, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable; original research; silly --Quasipalm 15:56, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Friday (talk) 16:45, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - No sillier than many articles. I see that Google is still the main arbiter. 212.101.64.4 16:48, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Invented languages should be included if they are notable for academic (e.g., interesting and discussed example) or cultural (e.g., Klingon, etc.) reasons, even if those reasons are minor. No claim to notability exists here. Sdedeo 17:13, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. For a language to be notable it needs to have an impact on the world outside the home of its creator, i.e. having a significant and verifiable number of fluent speakers and/or being the subject of a rather extensive professional discussion, preferrably in printed media. A list of words, however long, should not be enough. However, there are obviously Wikipedians of a different opinion, which is why I'd like to urge anyone voting to delete this article to check out the straw poll being held at Conlangs/Votes where an attempt is made to create general criteria for inclusion of constructed languages. This vote might very well end up with any language with X number of words, or even "a unique script"(!), being deemed worthy of a Wikipedia article. / Alarm 17:33, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Please start by checking out the discussion about the draft policy proposal on Conlangs and various subpages. I agree that some of the criteria some people have proposed are a bit silly, but you'll notice most if not all of the silly ones are getting a lot more oppose votes than support votes (oops, I used the word "vote"; Messrs. Bruning and Forrester are going to pile on to me...) even from the conlangers. --Jim Henry | Talk 12:17, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes. Mind, the long list on Conlangs/Votes and on Conlangs/Alternative proposal should by no means by treated as a proposal of criteria, all of which can individually determine a language's notability. It's merely a collection of possible criteria proposed by individual people. The purpose of the whole discussion is merely to establish some objective criteria for conlang notability. As someone who cares for conlangs and to whom it is an important field of interest, I want a conlang section that is clean and of high quality; I do not want to be overly inclusive, and I definitely do not want articles about 1200 individual conlangs. To me, number of words and a unique script do not make a language notable. And yes, some of the proposed criteria are a bit sillyl. By the way, Alarm, I find it strange that you only urge "anyone voting to delete this article" and not those who want to keep it. I would agree with you if you urged "anybody", not just the deleters. --IJzeren Jan 13:06, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete per above. Dottore So 17:35, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep it, but see the article I hope to start from Lara called Lara (language), and help solve disambig problems! Trollderella 17:41, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Do you intend to make this present article into a redirect in that case, or to actually keep as it is? -Splash 19:33, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, made up non-languages would need to jump very high before they warrant an entry in a ssdgkdsfdssdj. (That's Splashian for 'encyclopedia'.) -Splash 19:33, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * sdaassskk. Gadaaass kkdfsdfasd "fellow Splashian" aassssfd dlww! Sdedeo 20:06, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm very hesitant in this case, because indeed the language looks interesting and complete. The fact that the author of the language is also the author of the article (and also of the articles in other wikipedias) + the smallish number of ghits is decisive for me. --IJzeren Jan 05:33, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Please not that this is the only Wikipedia. The word "wikipedia" is not a generic term.  Zoe 07:50, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, granted. What I meant was of course: wikipedia in other languages. --IJzeren Jan 10:13, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - non notable language with no uptake or real recognition. Barneyboo 21:11, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - for a conlang to be noteworthy, it needs a LOT of notoriety outside its circle, in the mass media, etc. Klingon, Esperanto, and Tolkien's works fulfill those criteria, almost nothing else does. Which is as it should be. --Agamemnon2 21:18, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, or I'll make up a dozen languages and submit those as articles. Groeck 21:24, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Jachin 22:27, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Frlyrh, which is Delete in my personal constructed language which, by amazing coincidence, also happens to be called 'Lara'. Nandesuka 23:24, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * My dear, judging the (non-/)notability of a constructed language project is one thing, ridiculising language construction is another. Please don't do that. --IJzeren Jan 05:35, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: non-notable, original research, vanity. --Carnildo 23:44, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. -Sean Curtin 02:17, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn, or. -- Etacar11   02:24, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: as soon as there is a page for the natural language Lara this page will be quite harmless. Also, it is better written and more interesting than most conlang pages on wikipedia, in fact more interesting than quite a few stubs, so why not keep it?--Kaleissin 09:48:13, 2005-08-30 (UTC)
 * So if it's well written nonsense, the fact that it's nonsense means nothing to you? Fabulous, I'll go and write some now. -- Francs2000 | Talk [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px|  ]] 10:43, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * What's your problem? There's got to be more worthwhile things to do than being rude to people. Please define nonsense while you're at it. --Kaleissin 12:22:25, 2005-08-30 (UTC)
 * My problem is your reason for saying (implied) keep - by your reasoning the article should be kept because it is well written, not because of its content. I can point to plenty of articles that are about notable content but just not well written - should they go?  If I wrote beautiful prose about the contents of my trash should that stay?  No, so if you believe the content should stay because you feel it is notable enough for Wikipedia then say that, don't confuse the issue by saying "it's well written so it should stay" -- Francs2000 | Talk [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px|  ]] 15:49, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It's best having a page that is 2 out of 2. This one is 1 out of 2, but there are tons of pages that are 0 out of 2... After Kim Bruning's nuking of the conlang-vote page I'm not sure I'll ever bother to be explicit here again. No keep, no delete, means no vote right? Ergo no drive-by shooting. Whatever, it's academical now anyway. --Kaleissin 18:47:26, 2005-08-30 (UTC)
 * Delete Transwiki to the Conlang Wikicity and then delete from Wikipedia. Google search for {lara "constructed language"} gets 42 hits but almost none of them relate to this particular conlang - most just have the personal name or surname "Lara" or a word in some other conlang with the form |lara| somewhere on the page.  I see no evidence that this conlang has notability within the conlanger community, much less outside of it.  Nor is it verifiable without original research, as apparently nobody has written about it yet besides the creator of the language. If in the course of years the language does become notable (aquires some speakers, a fairly large corpus, independent review and discussion in the secondary conlang literature, etc.) then any article about it should probably be titled Lara (constructed language) to distinguish it from Lara language, the natural language of Indonesia with the same name.  But it is a non-stub article, fairly well written for a non-native speaker of English, and it's good content for the Conlang Wikicity. --Jim Henry | Talk 12:17, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see that 80.127.232.138 has already copied the page to the Conlang Wikicity . I have no objection to deleting this Wikipedia article at any time now. --Jim Henry | Talk 15:04, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I personally believe googling for {lara "constructed language"} is unfair, because you exclude anything that is not in English. In cases like this one (especially since the creator of the language is Italian) I much rather google for LANGUAGE NAME + SURNAME OF THE CREATOR. In this case, "lara" + "pedicelli" generates 72 ghits. --IJzeren Jan 13:11, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * That's a good point; we should probably cover that and similar issues when treating the "gets at least N Google hits" criterion in the draft Conlang notability/verifiability policy.

 * k'hun doi delete inventedlanguagecruft Roodog2k 00:56, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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My pseudonym is Samuel Dalva. I'm originally from Spain. My interests are too wide and change a lot, but several of them have remained over time: philosophy, music, math, software engineering, literature, cinema.

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Abominable facts of forced Ukrainization
"городские власти Ивано-Франковска. Согласно изданному ими распоряжению отныне запрещено говорит на русском на всей территории учебных заведенный, не разрешается проводит массовые мероприятия на русском языке и даже расклеивать объявления на русском языке в общественных местах. Поручено также вести наблюдение за книготорговцами и распространителями периодических изданий на русском языке". Russianname 12:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Please translate it, because now it's not a fact. Currently if You want to discuss something also note yourself for don't collect here facts and link. This page is not a blog or board. --194.44.200.142 22:42, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * What Russianname is trying to say is that the government of Ivano-Frankivsk prohibited the use of the Russian language in all schools, put out flyers in Russian in public areas, and organization of mass-public events in Russian as well. Also a supervision was enforsed upon the publishers of books and periodicals in Russian.

Well, that is all an empty fact, first of all, because it is; and second of all, because does not go into the details. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 12:11, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

There is no Ukrainization! There is a total Russification. Russification is when Moscow was forcing Ukrainians to build Russian schools and speak Russians, descriminating Ukrainian speaking scientists, teachers, soldiers, etc. There was no such thing in relationship to Ukrainian language. Kyiv does not force Russians build Ukrainian schools and speak Ukrainian in Russian Duma. That is ridiculuos. There is no Ukrainization, but a cultural revival of Ukrainian culture. And in my opinion the government in Ukraine be it local or national is way too lenient towards forcing deRussiafication of the culture and even a mentality. The Russian language should be prohibited completely for a few years and then permitted again if necessary. That way nobody such as Russianname would call deRussification as the "forced" Ukrainization. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 13:31, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion
This map should be included in the article, however, I'm not sure if it's allowed to add an image with non-english letters in english wikipedia? Also, I don't know who the main authors of the article are, so I'll leave it up to them to find a proper space for this image. Best regards --Sylius 18:20, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

 * It looks like nationality data has been turned into a linguistic map - a neat, if not fully accurate, trick. Jd2718 01:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Confused over Federal/Local
On what level (federal, regional (or I guess Oblast), or local) are decisions on what language is taught in schools made?

Ethnographic territories in the beginning of 1900s versus Today
I have some collection of international links to Ukrainian and European ethnographic maps. Maybe it will help to see the difference with the current state:

 * Andrij Mendeluk. Ukrainian Ethnographic Border and Peculiarities of Its Forming (by Prof. V. О. Gerynovych) (Ukrainian)
 * Dialect map of Ukrainian language (Ukrainian/English)
 * Dialects of Ukrainian Language / Narzecza Jezyka Ukrainskiego by Wl.Kuraszkiewicz (Polish)
 * Ukrainian ethnograhpic map 1949 by V.Kubijovyc-M.Kulyckyj (Ukrainian/English)
 * Races of Europe 1942-1943 (English)
 * Hammond's Racial map of Europe, 1919 (English) "National Alumni" 1920, vol.7
 * Peoples of Europe / Die Voelker Europas 1914 (German). http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/verbreitung_der_deutschen.htm
 * Ethnographic map of Europe 1914 (English)
 * Linguistic Divisions of Europe in 1914 (German)
 * Ethnic Territory of the Ukrainian people in the Late Nineteenth and Early Twentieth Centuries (English)
 * Etnographical map of Slavs / Národopisná mapa Slovanstva, end of 19th beginning of 20th century (Czech) Slovanstvo. Praha 1912. (Příloha.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by KKonstantin (talk • contribs) 13:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Transport Minister forbids foreign songs in Ukrainian trains and aircrafts
I came acros this article. Is it worth mentioning in this article that Transport and Communication Minister Yosyp Vinskyi approved a plan that forbids foreign songs in Ukrainian trains and aircrafts? Mariah-Yulia (talk) 21:17, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Russian language in Donetsk
User:Mariah-Yulia has removed information placed in the article by another editor regarding the Donetsk City Council passing a resolution banning further use and expansion of Ukrainian in the predominantly Russian region. The information is sourced to Russia Today TV, and the reason for removal is that this source is bias. Please note, the removal whilst likely done in good faith was not done for a valid reason, in that Russia Today TV is a reliable source for matters concerning reporting of facts, and the media created by the station is used by many media outlets around the world. It seems that Mariah-Yulia doubts the validity of the information since, perhaps at first glance, no Ukrainan news agency has published this information. This is not how content on Wikipedia is deemed to be relevant for inclusion, for then one could doubt the entire validity of Holomodor, since Pravda or TASS never printed the same information. It turns out that others have reported said information, including the Ukrainian News Agency at this link. The information has been re-added as per the validity of Russia Today TV being a reliable source in the first place, and the existence of a (somewhat not needed at all) second source. --Россавиа Диалог 10:44, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Can you name some of the "many media outlets around the world" which republished this story?

 * This one primary-source factoid reported by one news agency (sans byline), with no additional background, no information about reactions to it, and no indication of how or if it is being implemented is being used to draw broad implications about an undefined scope of "opposition to expansion of Ukrainian-language teaching" in an undefined area of "eastern regions closer to Russia".  This is not balanced, informative, or insightful.  We know there is a language debate in Ukraine, but isolated news bites is not an encyclopedic way to demonstrate its nature.

 * Have a look at Russian-Speaking Citizens of Ukraine: “Imaginary Society” as it is in Zerkalo Nedeli. —Michael Z. 2008-05-26 15:42 z

 * By the way, Yekelchyk (2007) talks a bit about pre and post-Soviet language issues in the context of politics, regional divisions, and the people's reactions. Alas, my copy is loaned out at the moment, but I'll add the full reference to the article. —Michael Z. 2008-05-26 16:35 z

 * Found some context: the city prosecutor declared the decision illegal, the mayor of Donetsk suspended it the next day, and the council reversed itself two days later: Donetsk City Council Cancels Resolution Restricting Use Of Ukrainian Language In Educational Establishments.  I'm sure there's more to the story, but let's not rely on context-free breaking news items and similar primary sources. —Michael Z. 2008-05-26 17:26 z

Unsourced claims in the lead
There was recent addon to the article lead following several reverts removing sources requests  or returning unsourced claims to the lead. The reverts were given comments like "discouraging Russian is evidenced by the banning of Russian in various aspects, as they sources show; education-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Meeting_near_Russian_school.jpg", "Stick to what the sources say", or no comment were given. The disputed parts are "systematically discouraging Russian" and "which has been banned in various aspects of life" (in bold), for which no sources were given, and no sources provided contain a word about "systematically" or "in various aspects of life". Can somebody please have a look. --windyhead (talk) 08:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I cannot comment on systematically but that seems like a strong statement and indeed needs to be supported by credible sources. As far as the ban goes, it is plainly not true. There is not a single document that bans Russian. It only gives preference to Ukrainian and establishes a quota of the laguage use. It is a well known practice in many countries. As such one can make equal claims of "ban" on Gagauzan, Hungarian and Crimean Tatar language in Ukraine or ban on English in Quebec (Canada), which is nonsense. As this is a hot political topic, there is a proliferation of one-sided sources; preference should be given to scholarly English language publications. --Hillock65 (talk) 11:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Great, now we have 2 more unexplained reverts. What the correct action should be? --windyhead (talk) 12:25, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

People removing source requests with comments like "see sources" and "there are sources already": instead of removing source requests again, please put a citation from source confirming statements for which sources are asked in place of source requests. --windyhead (talk) 11:32, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I've got a friend living in Ukraine And he told me that many radio stations were closed, same thing cinema's. Think about it. A live Russian radio program. How will you translate it to Ukrainian? Closed down. Afro-Russian (talk) 11:34, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Please have a look at Reliable sources content policy and put the article content into accordance to it --windyhead (talk) 11:54, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Many radio stations closed and not a single website reported about it? If you don't hace Reliable sources you shouldn't make strong accusations. Mabey these radio stations simple havn't got enough listeners and Party of Regions loves to scare there voters so they make up story's like that and tell them Party of Regions will save them. Find a friend in Lviv there is a chance he could be starting to tell you that Ukrainian radio stations are getting closed because of a Donesk conspiracy... There are to many people in Ukraine who are paranoid, I'm afraid your friend is one of them, no problem I've got friends like that too :) Mariah-Yulia (talk) 21:23, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm a third party and I've read the lead and the English sources. The BBC said it was a "ban" on Russian. I'd say the BBC is pretty reliable as a source. So it is clear at least that Russian has been banned from radio programs and TV. I also believe the source that explains the ban on movies is reliable. I can't comment on the ban of Russian in the education system and government as I can't read the Russian source. I believe statements regarding the ban of Russian in TV, radio, and movies should be included, it is well sourced. I think if there is such a huge resentment of the word "systematicaly" then the sentence should be rewritten without it. If the editors trying to include the statements about the ban on Russian are editting in good faith then one word should not matter to the point of edit warring. That word is not vital to the meaning of the sentence. What is vital is that Russian was banned, not that it was systematically banned.

As for "in various aspects of life," that exact expression does not need to be stated word-for-word in the source in order for it to be included. We are not machines, we're editors. We possess the ability and authority to regurgitate information in a way it was not precisely written as before. My point is, in order to determine if the source does validate "in various aspects of life," you need to do more than a search for that expression in your browser. Read the source and determine if it states that Russian is indeed being banned from use in multiple aspects of life. I think the supporters of inclusion could be helpful in this and explain more specifically why they believe "in various aspects of life" is supported by the source (what paragraph or line). AzureFury (talk) 19:23, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Hi, thank you for your opinion. Editors adding "in various aspects of life" please cite sources confirming this before adding it back to the article. --windyhead (talk) 19:45, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi, please don't remove ban "according to some" - there is no single law exist banning the russian, and even BBC source states that russian movies with ukrainian subtitles are OK --windyhead (talk) 12:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

What I read said that radio and TV programs would face "severe penalties" if broadcast in Russian. I don't think that qualifies as "ok". AzureFury (talk) 17:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * and later: This will mean that Russian-language films or programmes will need a Ukrainian translation or subtitles. --windyhead (talk) 19:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Ah, I stand corrected. Fair enough then. AzureFury (talk) 00:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

 * There's an entire guideline dedicated to why we don't use terms such as "according to some". Read WP:weasel. Fix the paragraph properly if you have a problem with it. Krawndawg (talk) 22:36, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Only 11% of Ukrainians opposed to more films dubbed in Ukrainian
I found a realaible source that states only 11% of Ukrainians opposed to more films dubbed in Ukrainian, Any objevtions to put that information in the lead? PS those Russia Today fellows realy give there true intensions away by forgetting to give that information in there article Mariah-Yulia (talk) 20:35, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, by all means put it there. Right after the part about "bans" and dubbed films. It is a very important peace of information. --Hillock65 (talk) 01:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Does the poll ask how many of them want to ban Russian-language films? The poll is meaningless if not. Krawndawg (talk) 05:30, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no ban on Russian films. That's why the poll doesn't ask for it. Films are still shown in Russian, only now they have to be supplied with subtitles in Ukrainian, and that upsets only 11% of movie goers. --Hillock65 (talk) 12:21, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

And that is including the major candidate to the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 17:26, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

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 * "Army" :
 * "Ukrainization, although with less success, was implemented in the Army (School of Red Commanders in Kharkiv, newspaper of the Ukrainian Military Disctricr "Chervona Amriya" published until the mid-1930s, etc.)". Encyclopedia of Ukrainian studies) cited above
 * "Ukrainization, although with less success, was implemented in the Army (School of Red Commanders in Kharkiv, newspaper of the Ukrainian Military District "Chervona Armiya" published until mid-1930s, etc.)". Encyclopedia of Ukrainian studies) cited above

Sentence: "meaning Russian-language programmes should be subtitled in Ukrainian" should be in the lead!
I think the phrase meaning Russian-language programmes should be subtitled in Ukrainian (it was in there but Irpen took it out) does belong in the lead to show the Ukrainian government is not trying to "wipe out" Russian from TV. I.o.w. I think it is an important piece of information! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 21:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

 * This information is already as you put it word for word in the article's text. But not every minute piece of detail belongs to the lead. Also, the lead does not say "wipe out", it says "squeeze out" and this is exactly what a requirement of subtitling or dubbing does as this is certainly onerous and unaffordable for small local cable providers. The details about subtitling and dubbing requirement belong to the main body but the lead should only briefly say on what these policies amount to. --Irpen 21:47, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

What is the purpose of the Russian language public universities in Ukraine?
What is the purpose of the Russian language public universities in Ukraine? I understand private universities who pay their taxes to the Ukrainian government. Why does Ukrainian government need to spend money to build the Russian speaking universities when even the Russian Federation cares less about except only spreading a bad word in that regard instead of investing into that issue? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 17:17, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Most of Ukrainians, if I am not mistaken, voted for the independent Ukraine with its own national culture and not an autonomous entity of the Russian Federation that is obligated to provide its Russian population with its special education system. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 17:21, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

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Improvements needed on neutrality and citing
This article is extremely biased and there are many opinions given. I've worked on the first few sections and I'll continue to work on them, but additionally if anyone else has more knowledge on this subject and wants to help find citations for any of the 'facts' given then by all means go ahead, this article has so few citations it looks like the school projects I wrote when I was 12. Thanks guys! Finnybug (talk) 13:35, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Magyarization
Well,

then I have to pinpoint here as well that in such form this addition is not supported, since it is confusing fo the reasons I raised:

Excluding Hungary, national/assimilation policies in the other countries mentioned have a relevantly different scope, since the subject's are Ukrainians without any debate in the Ukrainian historical regions, while regarding Hungary, the whole question is controversial, especially on such context and wording as this section is stating the things. In the Kingdom of Hungary, in the corresponding era, Rusyns/Ruthenians were the subject, who never called them or even regarded themselves Ukrainians then contemporarily - as many to also today. Thus even Hungarians did not know they would put "Ukrainians" as the subject of Magyarization and vica versa, moreover the territory of the Kingdom of Hungary were never part then or before any historical Ukrainian state or entity. Therefore also reffering to Western-Ukrainian territories are also misunderstandable, since i.e. Carpathian Ruthenia is only today part of Ukraine and may be called as a Western Ukrainian territory.Consequently, reffering to Magyarization to an era where the whole context is fallacious and confusing, and the conflict existing until today about the debate of origins or identification of the Rusyn People; that Ukraine/Ukrainians do not recognize them a spearate ethnicity should not be included or imported into anachronistic conditions.

The sentence that was anyway problematic should be rephrased, but if someone really stick to include Magyarization, then the necessary clarification needed (and an NPOV one, not "imperative" declarations that "they were Ukrainians, just they did not know about that" or any prejudicative standpoint. As well the term Ruthene is much broader, than Rusyn - however in Hungary the latter was definitively relevant - despite the official census counted Ruthenians, and it is heavily misleading to identify them Ukrainians just because of some possible nationalistic reasons back in time. Of course, this does not exclude the fact that later some of them accepted the Ukrainian identity, but we should not confuse modern times of some instances and retrospectiveley project in the past in an inproper way.

In case, if the sentence is properly rephrased reflecting the concerns written above and gains consensus, I won't have any objection to include Magyarization.(KIENGIR (talk) 20:16, 30 October 2018 (UTC))

Language policy (2012)
I think new language policy (2012 summer) is also important here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine --Nimelik (talk) 16:41, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Political correctness
The language in this article tries really hard to sound soft and politically correct. Discrimination and prejudice against Russians and Turkic population is downplayed when you compare it to the way Russification article is written. 46.143.90.13 (talk) 18:36, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

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Possible more info on the subject
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2498445.stm --208.253.80.123 15:01, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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The Trillion-Dollar Bank Shakedown That Bodes Ill for Cities by Howard Husock, City Journal Winter 2000

http://www.city-journal.org/html/10_1_the_trillion_dollar.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.240.206.194 (talk) 11:26, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm confused
The article seems to be at one moment saying that the Sokaiya are men who target companies and make them pay them money to go away or keep quiet, but the next it's saying that the companies seek out and use Sokaiya. Which is it? Both? It says the Chisso used sokaiya to stop protesting members after the Minimata scandal, which sounds like the company went and found a bunch of thugs and paid them to come and fill up the meeting to keep the protesters out...that's not guys blackmailing a company, that's a company employing criminals to do dirty work for them. Then at the bottom we have a section called "Companies that have bribed sokaiya", but the list is headed by the sentence "companies who have been found guilty of employing sokaiya"...which is it, bribed or employed? Bribing means you paid them to go away, "employ" suggests that they paid them to do some service for them. Do companies pay sokaiya to go and harass competitors? Or is this just a language problem? And they really punish the companies for paying the sokaiya to go away? What are they supposed to do about it? I also don't understand the part where they "almost managed to get one of their own onto the board of directors"...that doesn't sound like the activities of someone who's trying to blackmail a company. There's obviously a lot missing from this article, because I don't understand it at all. AnnaGoFast (talk) 21:30, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

 * The article obviously needs to be developed better, but nothing in there is contradictory. It's rare for a criminal enterprise to engage in only one, very specific form of crime. On their own, sokaiya will try to set up embarrassing situations for companies in an effort to make those companies pay them to go away. Less scrupulous companies may capitalize on those same talents, paying the sokaiya to do that to rival companies, or use them to quash legitimate complaints from their own shareholders.
 * Paying off sokaiya can be illegal for a number of reasons. In the case of the Mitsubishi execs, they fraudulently claimed they were paying rent - rent on homes that didn't exist. In other cases, it's because they're covering up crimes by paying the sokaiya to not expose them.
 * Hope that clears things up a little bit.--Xanzzibar (talk) 23:16, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

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