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Montreal World Film Festival

The Montreal World Film Festival (Festival des films du monde de Montréal), commonly abbreviated MWFF in English or FFM in French, was an annual film festival in Montreal, Quebec, Canada from 1977 to 2019. Founded and run throughout its lifetime by Serge Losique, it was the only competitive film festival in North America accredited by the FIAPF. (The Toronto International Film Festival is also FIAPF-accredited, but is run as a non-competitive event).

The public festival, which was founded in 1977 as a replacement for the defunct Montreal International Film Festival (1960–68), was held annually in late August in the city of Montreal in Quebec. Unlike the Toronto International Film Festival, which has a greater focus on Canadian and other North American films, the Montreal World Film Festival had a larger diversity of films from all over the world.

Throughout its life, the festival saw various controversies around Losique's leadership, including uneven programming, a marketing strategy that sometimes seemed more concerned with throwing barbs at TIFF than with actually building the MWFF's brand, and increasing financial irregularities.

The festival was abruptly cancelled in 2019, just a few weeks before that year's event had been scheduled to launch.

History
Losique launched the festival in part as a response to the inaugural 1976 Festival of Festivals, as he reportedly believed that Montreal was a more appropriate location than Toronto to be the host of a prestige film festival. After screening an inaugural program in summer 1977, he pursued the FIAPF accreditation, which was secured in early 1978. The 1978 event, however, saw the first instance of Losique using his position to take a public swipe at TIFF, when he sent four films that had been booked to appear at both festivals back to their distributors instead of forwarding the prints to Toronto as directed.

As early as 1980, the festival was marketing itself as one that was focused more on the films than their stars, with Losique regularly trumpeting that motto through the years as the thing that made his festival better than Toronto's.

By 1985, Losique was already beginning to attract criticism for running the festival in an "authoritarian" and "Napoleonic" manner, with programming driven disproportionately by his own personal taste in film. Through the 1980s, the Montreal and Toronto film festivals were typically seen as different but complementary events, although Losique continued to lash out at any media suggestion that the events were comparable in prestige or quality.

By the 1990s, however, the MWFF was clearly losing prestige as TIFF gained in international clout; even within Montreal, its prominence was being increasingly challenged by the Festival du nouveau cinéma, which although older than the MWFF had previously been much smaller until gaining momentum in the early 1990s.

In 1998, the festival faced heavy criticism when it opted to present a lifetime achievement award to Sandra Bullock, despite her still having been known only for a few hit films over the past couple of years at that point, rather than the sort of sustained career typically required to earn lifetime achievement honours.

By 2000, even filmmakers from Quebec were frequently bypassing MWFF, instead opting to "stampede down the 401" to TIFF due to its much higher international profile before screening in Montreal at the FNC or the Rendez-vous du cinéma québécois instead of the MWFF.

The WFF lost the sponsorship of its previous government cultural funders, SODEC and Telefilm Canada as a result of disagreements with Losique in 2004, after Losique refused to cooperate with a review by those agencies of Canada's major film festivals. Subsequently, these two funding agencies announced that they would support a new international film festival, called the New Montreal FilmFest (FIFM), to be managed by Spectra Entertainment and headed by Daniel Langlois.

Despite the competing festival and the loss of government funding, however, Losique continued to organize the World Film Festival, and filed lawsuits against both Telefilm and Spectra, further suing Moritz de Hadeln personally after he was announced as FIFM's artistic director. The 2005 FIFM was not successful, and the event was discontinued; as of July 2007, Losique's lawsuits were dropped, paving the way for a restoration of government funding.

In 2005, Losique first announced and later withdrew the film Karla from the festival after the principal sponsor of the festival, Air Canada, threatened to withdraw its sponsorship of the festival if that film were included. The film — about Karla Homolka, a young woman who was convicted of manslaughter and who served twelve years in prison for her part in the kidnapping, sex enslavement, rapes and murders of teenage girls, including her own sister, in a case said to involve ephebophilia — was controversial in Canada, with many calling for its boycott throughout the country.

In 2015 a group of employees claimed they were not paid. In 2016 many of the employees resigned, citing poor leadership and financial uncertainty amongst other issues. In an interview with CTV News, Gazette entertainment columnist Bill Brownstein referred to Losique as having a "Napoleonic complex" and not "playing well with the other children" resulting in government and sponsors withdrawing their funding support.

In the same year Cineplex Entertainment withdrew its support from the festival, causing it to lose the Forum Theatre as a venue. Left with only the Imperial Cinema for a venue, the festival had to cancel some of its planned screenings and proceed with a reduced lineup, although several of the city's independent theatres stepped in to help screen films at the last minute.

In 2017, power was cut at the Imperial Theatre in July, just a few weeks before the festival, due to unpaid electricity bills, with that year's festival being saved by a last-minute intervention by Pierre-Karl Péladeau and Québecor.

In 2018 the festival was accused by Revenu Québec of owing almost $500,000 in unpaid taxes, but the festival was allowed to proceed that year after Losique made an initial payment of $33,000.

By this time, Brendan Kelly of the Montreal Gazette was explicitly calling for the festival to be shut down, writing that "Way back in the early days of the festival in the late '70s and early '80s, the FFM was a happening event that could be said to be seriously rival the Toronto fest, then called the Festival of Festivals. But that hasn't been true for 30 years, and it's almost entirely Losique's fault. As long as the FFM exists, it drags down the city's film scene. Agencies and producers in other countries who don't realize Losique's fest is irrelevant send films and filmmakers, and the poor auteurs turn up to discover they're screening films in front of near-empty rooms. It also causes enormous problems for the other much more relevant film festivals in our city, notably the Festival du nouveau cinéma and Fantasia. These festivals have not been given the chance to step up and become the city's première festival with Losique's event staggering from edition to edition."

In 2019, the WFF announced that it was cancelling the 43rd edition of the event. The stated reason was that Losique was suffering from extreme fatigue, with the festival intended at that time to return in 2020; however, with the COVID-19 pandemic emerging over the winter, the festival's return in 2020 was not possible, and the festival subsequently failed to see a revival in 2021. Robert Everett-Green of The Globe and Mail noted that while an event like TIFF, with its strong programming team, could easily work around the health difficulties of a single programmer, the stated reason for the MWFF's cancellation effectively confirmed the longstanding charges that Losique ran the festival as a personal fiefdom rather than cultivating a team.

In 2022, Losique announced plans to revive the festival as the Global Montreal Film Festival, with a 2022 edition featuring free screenings of a selection of films that had previously screened at FFM, leading to a full revival of the festival in 2023. However, the 2023 revival did not materialize, and there has been no subsequent news about the festival's return.

Festival
The festival was organised in various sections, including the comeptitive World Competition (features and shorts) and First Films World Competition (features), and non-competitive streams for Canadian and world cinema, documentaries, student films and repertory programming of classic films.

Prior to the beginning of each event, the festival's board of directors appointed the juries who held sole responsibility for choosing award winners. Juried awards were presented for the Grand Prix des Amériques, a Special Grand Prix of the jury, Best Director, Best Actress, Best Actor, Best Screenplay, Best Artistic Contribution, Best Short Film, an Innovation Award and gold, silver and bronze Zenith Awards for first films. Audience-voted awards were also presented for the most popular film, the most popular Canadian film, most popular Latin American film, most popular documentary film, and most popular Canadian short film.

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Tweaks
Removed assertion that rod would have to have been threaded over a great distance, this assumes constant diameter. It's still there s a possibility, Removed assertion that nut and washer couldn't hold those loads a priori, clearly they almost held double the expected load. If I'm wrong, as always - change it. Rich Farmbrough 23:59, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

 * The reference now in place does support a statement that the need to thread the rod over its entire length was the reason for requesting the change. However, I've not made any change, since the reference itself has no references, and it's a discussion of ethics in engineering and the important point is showing how a design decision can encourage dangerous decisions further down the line, not documenting exactly what happened in this case. Furthermore, the reference only says Havens thought the change would simplify the task, nothing about damage to the threads. In fact, reading the description in the NSB report shows that the remaining wording is probably wrong too, where it says the threads "would almost certainly have been damaged when the structure ... was hoisted". All that had to be hoisted up the rods was the cross-beam. The rest of the walkway was built in place later.

 * I don't agree with "they almost held double the expected load", though it's a low priority to fix. The NSB report makes it abundantly clear, many times, that even the original design was 40% short of meeting code.

 * Hmm. Lots of problems need correcting here. I may have to put them all off and come back another day ... anyone making changes to this article should read and understand the NSB report.
 * Paleolith (talk) 21:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Ah, let me correct myself. The reference does have a reference. But it's to yet another book on engineering ethics, not an investigation. Since the very detailed NSB report says nothing (that I can find) about the reason for the change, I still consider this "damage to the threads" thing basically undocumented.

 * Paleolith (talk) 21:55, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Hyatt Regency walkway collapse/Crediting Heroes
Among the heroic efforts the night of the Hyatt Regency walkway collapse were those of doctors attending a Radiology convention who happened to be dining at the hotel. As a secretary for the Radiology Film division of Eastman Kodak in Houston, Texas, I was on the phone constantly the morning after the tragedy. Sales reps from Eastman Kodak in Houston were attending the convention, showing doctors new film technology, and dining with them at the hotel that night. Because so many doctors were at the hotel, medical assistance began immediately to the victims. The efforts by the radiologists and the coordination of medical help by the Eastman Kodak sales representatives were integral to the survival of victims and treatment of those injured. The fact that many of the doctors and sales representatives had crossed the walkway moments earlier was a haunting reality.
 * I've added references to Dr. Joseph Waeckerle. He had been the director of Kansas City's emergency medical system two years earlier and his successor was not available, so he headed to the Hyatt after a run after a full shift at a hospital. K8 fan (talk) 22:46, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Link to German WP needs correction
I tried to update the link to German wikipedia, which now is http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyatt#Katastrophe_in_Kansas_City

but I didn't get there to the left hand column for editing. I am logged in but it seems I am not allowed to go there.

(if you like, leave me message how to do it) thanks, Andreas --Hundehalter (talk) 14:04, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * sorry for asking stupid questions. I was somewhat blind not see it :-/  --Hundehalter (talk) 17:03, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

"In Pop Culture" section
I've reverted the addition of the "In Pop Culture" section per WP:NOR. The link cited as a source allows you to watch the episode on imdb. NOR says, "Do not analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so." As I understand it, keeping this material would require a reliable secondary source claiming "episode X parodies event Y". Kcowolf (talk) 00:02, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Hired?
I just read a July 1982 article in the Reader's Digest, and it contradicts this uncited bit:

 * Workmen from a local construction company were also hired by the city fire department, bringing with them cranes, bulldozers, jackhammers and concrete-cutting power saws.

From page 53, it says:

 * When it was clear that rescue equipment being stretched to the limit, construction companies and supply stores open their doors to provide rescuers with hydraulic jacks, acetylene torches, compressors and generators. "They said 'take what you want'" recalls Deputy Fire Chief Arnett Williams, who directed the department's operation that night. "I don't know if all those people got their equipment back. But no one has ever asked for an accounting and no one has ever submitted a bill."

Is the sentence describing the failure correct?
The sentence:

The connection failed and the fourth floor walkway collapsed onto the second floor and both walkways then fell to the lobby floor below, resulting in 111 immediate deaths and 216 injuries.

seems wrong to me based on the revised construction method that the article says was the cause of the failure (unless the second floor walkway exhibited cartoon physics and only fell when the fourth floor walkway landed on top of it at which point it finally realized nothing was holding it up so it then fell). The following text I found on the internet from a power point presentation seems correct (citing the website gets this edit rejected):

The second and fourth floor walkways fell to the atrium first floor with the fourth floor walkway coming to rest on top of the second floor walkway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.37.244.156 (talk) 19:18, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry it took so long for anyone to respond to your concerns. I've looked in to it and I believe the current i.e. original wording is correct.
 * If you look at the NBS report on the collapse, in chapter 4 it quotes two eyewitnesses saying that the fourth floor walkway fell on to the second floor walkway and they then both fell down to the atrium. One eye witness mentions the foruth floor walkway collapsing but doesn't say anything about the second floor walkway. Another mentions the second floor splitting in the middle and beginning to fall, it doesn't say anything about the fourth floor walkway which suggests this may have happened before the fourth floor fell on to it, but the eyewitness doesn't explicitly rule it out either. These were from news reports, as no effort was made by the investigators given the conflicting nature of the reports and the fact that they were more interested in the number of people on the walkway. There is apparently no video footage of the collapse, although there was a news camera crew on site, they were changing battery at the time of the collpase.
 * It's mentioned in the report that there is some ability to reconstruct the collapse based on the evidence, I've looked in to chapter 5 and 10 where this is happens and while I don't understand a lot of what it's saying, I don't see anywhere it disagrees with the eyewitness reports of the fourth collapsing on to the second. The most relevant part is probably where it says "The behavior of the second floor walkway during the collapse is much less clear, but it is believed to have generally followed the progression of failure in the fourth floor walkway".
 * One of the obvious things is probably that it didn't really matter to the investigators or more particularly, the report. I imagine they may have had a clear view of what happened re: the fourth floor walkway falling on to the second floor walkway, but didn't really describe it because it didn't really matter so much as the nitty gritty technical details surrounding the collapse of the fourth floor walkway and why it happened. If you understand the technical details of the report better, you may be able to work out from what they said what they believed happened.
 * You're of course right that if the second floor walkway was hanging off the fourth floor walkway, it makes no sense that the fourth floor walkway would have fallen on the second floor walkway.
 * I'm not an engineer but the complicating factor may be that this is only partially true. The load of the second floor walkway was supported by the fourth floor walkway, but the second floor walkway is also connected to the second floor and maybe in other ways I don't know. These aren't structural supports meaning that if the fourth floor walkway had magically disappeared, the second floor walkway would still have collapsed. But it may be possible for the fourth floor walkway to collapse on to the second floor walkway as although the second floor walkway may have begun to collapse, it may not follow that it has completely collapsed before the fourth floor walkway fell on to it.
 * In other words, not cartoon physics, but real life complicated physics with a multitude of factors which need to be taken in to account.
 * (Remember while the second floor walkway doesn't need to wait until the fourth floor walkway collapses on top of it for it to 'realise' it's no longer supported, if I understand the design correctly, it's likely the loss of support for the second floor primarily came when the fourth floor walkway started to actually fall. Of course since the supports would have been rigid not elastic, I presume they would have been forcing the second floor walkway down if they remain connected. Or in other words, the fourth floor would have been supported by the second floor which would seem to imply that the fourth floor walkway would not fall on the second floor walkway until they hit the ground. But I'm not sure how the failure here happened or even if I'm understanding the design properly so it may the fourth floor didn't actually have much of an impact on the second floor until it fell on to it beyond the loss of support at some stage.)
 * However given that eyewitness accounts are notorious unrealiable, so if you want, perhaps a compromise wording. Something like that used in the NBS report summary:
 * the second and fourth floor walkways fell to the atrium floor, with the fourth floor walkway coming to rest on top of the lower walkway
 * In other words, something which says they both fell to the atrium floor and that the fourth floor walkway came to a rest on the top of the second floor walkway without explicitly claiming that they both fell together. However please don't copy this directly, unless you are able to verify the source (which appears to be US Federal Government so it may be) is public domain and therefore without copyright issues and even then, you should make sure to properly acknowledge the source to avoid confusion. (In other words, it's probably easier to just reword the whole thing.)
 * BTW, I'm not sure and can't be bothered checking what source you were trying to use, but please note we require WP:RS which a Powerpoint presentation probably isn't. Also, bear in mind although I looked at the NSB report, we do generally prefer reliable secondary sources not primary ones, particularly when there is a risk we are intepreting the primary source rather than simply describing what it says.
 * Edit: It looks like the wording you were proposing is similar. Sorry, I got distracted by your comment on how it was impossible for the fourth floor walkway to fall on the second floor before the second floor had collapsed that I didn't notice your wording doesn't actually explicitly say that the walkways fell together.
 * Nil Einne (talk) 17:04, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

the next collapse
A recent edit (Aug 30), along with a later edit, had changed the last sentence of the intro paragraph, introducing colloquial wording ("came down") and inaccuracy. I have essentially reinstated the previous wording. The Aug 30 edit and a later one introduced Arlington and the Pentagon. Although part of the Pentagon collapsed, few if any of the deaths were due to the collapse, which occurred half an hour after the airplane hit, so that mention does not belong in a sentence about structural collapses with many deaths. I did add the clarification (in the link text) that it was the south tower collapse which exceeded the Hilton collapse in deaths. I was unable to determine how the 630 deaths in the south tower broke down between those in the building killed directly by the airplane crash and those who died a few minutes later in the building collapse (it does not include those on the airplane), and don't have a copy of Petroski's book, and so don't know the exact number killed by the actual collapse, but I thought the uncertainty slight. Paleolith (talk) 19:51, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

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Was there dancing on the walkways?
That is, was it poor design combined with heavy stress? Cool Nerd (talk) 19:20, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Pre-disaster photo
I would like to request that the article gets, if possible, a photo to show how the hotel looked before the disaster. I feel that this would greatly enhance readers' understanding of what has happened here. The current photos are informative anyway, but would be all the more useful when placed in the context of how it looked when it was all there. Any chance, please? Best wishes to all DBaK (talk) 21:32, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
The article claims that during the triaging after the collapse, mortally injured people were "told they were going to die" as they were given palliative morphine. This seems wildly implausible. It would be an act of extreme cruelty. Doctors are not generally so cruel to their patients. And just how many people would have been fatally injured, and yet conscious enough to comprehend this sadistic doctor telling them they were going to die?

So it's an extraordinary claim. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Two sources are given, one of which says something vaguely resembling the claim, and the other of which is a Google books page where the page of relevance is not part of the preview.

Without rock solid sourcing, the claim is dubious. And yet, there's an editor who seems desperate to keep it in. Perhaps they would like to explain why. 82.132.223.205 (talk) 20:21, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

 * I've always thought the statement was a bit bizarre myself, it's not any protocol I've ever heard of, and it should stay out unless it's supported by multiple independent sources.  Acroterion   (talk)   20:37, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

 * You have to look at the context. Your analysis is synthesizing your own point of view. Based on your definition, you don't think this event is extraordinary in its own regard? Part of the relief effort involved making the ground floor exhibition area as a makeshift morgue! The source states "Adequate resources were not available to treat everyone at once. The fatally injured were told they were going to die. This bothered some of the rescuers. The dying were given pain medication to ease their suffering." You could add to the context that this isn't a usual circumstance. They had to conserve the sources they had. Also, not being able to verify the source would call for a dubious tag and not edit warring. – The Grid  ( talk )  21:40, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

 * No, it's not a synthesis to question that claim. I'd really like to see multiple sources for the "told they were going to die" business - it is indeed an extraordinary claim that needs better sourcing. It's simply not a normal protocol in any circumstance, and should be treated with care - omission is the best course absent multiple concordant sources. There is no question about the rest - resources were indeed limited.  Acroterion   (talk)   21:50, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

 * Yeah so the source kinda acknowledges that this is not fully normal response to an extremely abnormal amd desperate situation. We dont know who was available onsite to do this telling to the dying, but everything was makeshift and improvised. They utilized anything fonated from anywhere, ramming through the doors with vehicles and borrowing salvage equipment from an open request to the public. Anyway, the course of action is not to delete but to specify that the info is according to this one particular source so far. — Smuckola(talk) 23:00, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

 * I'll see if there's similar accounts but I have a feeling I'm going to venture into citogenesis. – The Grid  ( talk )  21:54, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

 * You're probably right.  Acroterion   (talk)   21:59, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

 * Then I guess it's fine with the words omitted, I don't want to put a square peg in a round hole to put the words back as is. I still think it being reworded would help in the context. – The Grid  ( talk )  12:29, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

 * There's also a degree of BLP in play, since for the sake of surviving relatives of the victims, I'd want such a statement to be ironclad if it's included.  Acroterion   (talk)   15:15, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

 * If someone wants to really dig into this point (and for general article development, actually) there's a good bibliography at http://www.kchistory.org/week-kansas-city-history/hotel-horror (though the "collection of newspaper clippings" link near the bottom, which I think would be the best lead to follow, is currently dead). EEng 13:55, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Anybody interested in doing a proper freebody diagram for this?
Consider this free body diagram a draft of a complete explanation. I think the one of the left is complete: The green arrows represent the force of gravity, mg, on each of the red floor structures. And the two upward green arrows at the top are something holding this all up. The red and black arrows are equal and opposite forces representing the interaction between each floor and the cable. On the right we have an extra cable, and two opposite forces (red and magenta) are shown that maintain the extra cable in equilibrium. This needs to be fixed in two ways: First some more forces need to be added. Second, we need to modify the labeling to make this accessible to color-blind readers.--Guy vandegrift (talk) 19:55, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Error in graphic
There seems to be an error in the graphic. The left half, labeled original design, shows the welds connecting the 2 C-section beams together as being on the top & bottom of the resulting box beam. But the text of the article (and the official investigation report, also) states that the original design had the box beam rotated 90 degrees, with the welds on the sides and the support rods and the nuts & washers through the solid center of the beam, rather than directly on the welds. This change was a secondary cause of the collapse; had it not been made, the failure might have been less catastrophic.
 * Could we get this graphic corrected? T bonham (talk) 06:09, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Surfside
Recommend writers get ready to modify this article's historical statements (i.e., "deadliest non-deliberate structural collapse") in light of the 2021 Miami Surfside disaster.

Deadliest since WTC collapse?
Wouldn't the collapse of the Alfred P. Murrah building in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing be deadlier? Seeing as both 9/11 and OKC were terror-related collapses. --Undescribed (talk) 20:10, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, just pick one place to write to. I'll just repeat here for the record what I said on my Talk page, that OKC is a bombing and not a collapse. Either way, the lead section is only for summarizing the existing fully-sourced body contents WP:LEAD WP:RS and not for guessing things on a vitally technical mature subject. — Smuckola(talk) 20:27, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

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Did we REALLY need to FULLY PROTECT this article? Why were we so quick to pull the fully protect button when extended confirmed lock or auto-confirmed lock would've been much better to use? I know it's an edit war but it's literally just mainly IPs (and it's not a BLP article), I don't see why a full protect is needed here. wizzito | say hello!  22:23, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

 * No, we didn't; you're right. There was a bunch of news-and-gossip-scooping OR from a couple of accounts, but it was mostly IP. So I requested semi-protect but the admin did full anyway. The admin was also totally confused and thought it was somehow a content dispute, which it obviously absolutely is not as I explicitly said in the report. It is actually just anti-abuse. An editor that has a repeated process of deleting RS, and of micromanaging their own total failure of comprehension of basic policies in order to justify serial edit wars is obviously not a content dispute. So okay, full protection is tolerable (or whatever) during a time of controversial current events, if the admin hadn't also locked in the bunk abusive edit war, but the abuse edits will go away and another admin will set it to semi-protection later. — Smuckola(talk) 22:50, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

 * I do agree with you. I do think that some level of protection is needed; apparently it's policy in a edit war to lock a page so both parties can't edit it? Still not too sure. wizzito | say hello!  22:56, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

 * No, edit war does not require locking; it requires the warning of the perpetrator, in this case, the other person's one-sided edit war which was instead misidentified as a content dispute and as a two-party issue. The lock is coincidental to overall page abuse including that. But this was just a drive-by procedure, inexplicably locking in the abuse content and not properly warning the perpetrator. — Smuckola(talk) 23:14, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Disputants: I'm not going to see your objection unless you ping me. If you wish to substantiate these, that's fine. If you wish to address the content dispute (or point to where it had already been addressed), that's fine, too. But you're really not giving me much to work with here. Anyone who fails to address the dispute, itself, on the article talk page can be seen to have forfeited their position. Further reverts from such users will be met with sanctions. El_C 16:23, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I am just now seeing this message. Unfortunately it seems like another editor has continued to mischaracterize my edits as abuse, despite you calling it a content dispute and asking them to start a talk-page discussion, instead giving me a vandalism warning days later. (This would appear to be a pattern of not assuming good faith: The same editor seems to quickly assume vandalism, or to remove talk-page contributions that may be misguided but are an attempt to discuss the topic at hand.)
 * At any rate, I was simply trying to improve this article, and it felt like the inclusion of the newspaper's prize-winning coverage didn't make sense at the top as something that "afflicted" the city. Though the New York Times article that this is drawn from says "When the two newspapers were awarded the Pulitzer Prize for excellence in local reporting on the Hyatt disaster, they were cited for working in the face of strong community opposition" (vs. the Wikipedia article's "putting the newspaper at odds with the Kansas City community in general, including the management of Hallmark Cards, the parent company of the hotel's owner"), that citation does not exist on the Pulitzer website, making it hard to know exactly what was said. But that sentence in the NYT comes several paragraphs after "After the disaster, two of the city's most respected institutions, Hallmark Cards and the company that publishes the city's two major newspapers, found themselves in bitterly opposing camps for the first time" — with no intervening mention of any other opposition to the newspapers — making it reasonable to assume that the "strong community opposition" refers to Hallmark, which is exactly who a reasonable person would expect to be upset about an investigation into Hallmark.
 * As previously written, the Wikipedia article made it sound almost like the prize-winning journalism was bad for the community, but it's likely that any discord was simply between the journalists and the target(s) of their investigation. 173.175.200.238 (talk) 19:04, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

 * IP, I joined Wikipedia in 2004 and became an admin in 2005, and it is alarming to me the disdain with which you've been treated, by multiple users. I, and later two other uninvolved admins, have firmly rebuked these attempts to shut you out, just for being an IP (see my comments at User_talk:El_C for the first rebuked attempt and scroll to the bottom of Requests_for_page_protection/Archive/2021/07 for the second one). If anyone tries to intimidate you again, please do not hesitate to contact me personally on my talk page (here), as that would be a cause for sanctions. El_C 19:18, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Casualty count
Are there any sources that explain the difference in reported injuries? For example, ThinkReliability reports 216 injured and the NIST document reports 186. 202.18.108.111 (talk) 08:31, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Potentially inaccurate claim about weld position
"The serious flaws of the revised design were compounded by the fact that both designs placed the bolts directly through a welded joint connecting two C-channels, the weakest structural point in the box beams."

— rev

I can't seem to find any reference to this in the NBS report after searching trough every occurrence of "weld" and "box beam", and there is no citation.

~ zncr ~ (talk) 19:57, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

 * I don't see any evidence that the box beams were supposed to be fabricated with the welds in the sides either, so I've removed that.
 * I don't think assertion that the weld is the the weakest point is wrong, but it would be nice to have a reference that explicitly says so. I will look around.  Acroterion   (talk)

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2006 United States Senate election in New York

The 2006 United States Senate election in New York was held on November 7, 2006. Incumbent Democratic U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton won re-election to a second term in office, by a more than two-to-one margin. Clinton was challenged by Republican John Spencer, the former mayor of Yonkers. Longtime political activist Howie Hawkins of the Green Party also ran a third-party campaign.

The election was not close, with Clinton winning 58 of New York's 62 counties. Clinton had a surprisingly strong performance in upstate New York, which was considered to be a tossup. Clinton's large margins in both upstate New York and in New York City helped propel her to a landslide victory over Spencer. Clinton was sworn in for what would be her last term in the senate serving from January 3, 2007 to January 21, 2009 when she assumed the office of United States Secretary of State in the Obama administration.

Candidates

 * Hillary Clinton, incumbent Senator
 * Jonathan B. Tasini, journalist and anti-war activist

Withdrew

 * Mark Greenstein, businessman

Campaign
Hillary Clinton announced in November 2004 that she would seek a second term in the Senate, and began fundraising and campaigning. Clinton faced opposition for the Democratic party nomination from the anti-war base of her own party, that had become increasingly frustrated with her support for the Iraq War.

On October 12, 2005 New Paltz firefighter and activist Steven Greenfield, a former Green Party leader, announced he would run as a Democrat. On December 6, 2005, labor advocate Jonathan Tasini announced that he would run as well, running as an antiwar candidate, calling for immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq, universal health care, expansion in Medicare benefits, the creation of Universal Voluntary Accounts for pensions, and what he termed "New Rules For the Economy", a more labor-centric as opposed to the corporate-centric approach to economic matters espoused by Clinton. Tasini was president of Economic Future Group and former president of the National Writers Union. Tasini was supported by anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan, who had in October said of Clinton, "I will resist her candidacy with every bit of my power and strength...I will not make the mistake of supporting another pro-war Democrat for president again."

On March 31, 2006, businessman Mark Greenstein announced his run for the seat. Greenstein, endorsed by the New Democrats, presented himself as a non-liberal Democrat who was campaigning to "bring the far left back to reality that Big Government is the source of most ongoing problems Democrat constituents face." He contended that Clinton was "too liberal" in her support for regulations, "too wishy-washy" on the Iraq war and on gay rights, and had lost integrity by using the Dubai Ports issue for political purposes. Greenstein challenged Clinton to sign a pledge that she would serve out her full 6 year Senate term if re-elected. However, in May 2006, Greenstein endorsed Tasini and essentially dropped out of the race.

On June 1, 2006, Clinton accepted the unanimous endorsement of the New York State Democratic Party's convention in Buffalo. Eight days later, Greenstein dropped out of the race. Tasini pressed on, submitting 40,000 signatures to the State Election Commission on July 14, far more than the 15,000 needed to force a primary. Clinton's campaign said that she would not challenge the signatures.

Results
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Candidates

 * K. T. McFarland, former Deputy Assistant United States Secretary of Defense
 * John Spencer, former mayor of Yonkers

Withdrew

 * Edward F. Cox, attorney and son-in-law of Richard Nixon
 * Jeanine Pirro, Westchester County District Attorney (December 21, 2005) (ran for Attorney General)

Campaign
New York Republicans originally had high hopes of mounting a serious challenge to Clinton, and derailing her expected future presidential bid. However, Clinton was politically strong in the state and no major Republican entered the race, with Governor George Pataki and early 2000 senate opponent Rudy Giuliani both declining to run. The two most prominent Republicans contemplating a challenge to Clinton were lawyer Ed Cox (the son-in-law of former President Richard M. Nixon) and Westchester County District Attorney Jeanine Pirro.

Pirro was considered the front-runner, but her campaign had immediate difficulties. During her August 10, 2005 live televised candidacy announcement in New York City, she paused for more than thirty seconds looking for a missing part of her speech, then asked, on the air, "Do I have page 10?" Democrats re-aired the sequence as part of a Jeopardy! theme parody. The Conservative Party of New York was also reluctant to embrace Pirro. On August 18, 2005, another Republican candidate, former Mayor of Yonkers John Spencer, gave a radio interview in which he attacked Pirro, calling her chances of winning the Conservative Party of New York State nomination "a Chinaman's chance." Spencer later apologized.

On October 14, 2005, Governor Pataki endorsed Pirro. Later that day, Cox withdrew from the race; his campaign had raised only $114,249 in contributions in the prior three months. On October 18, 2005, remarks by Pirro that appeared to suggest that Democrats were indifferent to child molesters and murderers drew sharp criticism from the Clinton campaign and others.

Pirro trailed Clinton badly in fund-raising and in polls; her campaign had failed to gain traction. Under pressure from state party officials, she dropped out of the race on December 21, 2005, to run for New York State Attorney General instead, leaving the Republicans without a well-known candidate. The announcement was timed to coincide with the 2005 New York City transit strike, so as to draw minimal attention to the Republicans' difficulties. Pirro did not mention her campaign woes, but instead said, "I have concluded that my head and my heart remain in law enforcement, and that my public service should continue to be in that arena."

Declared Republican candidates now included Spencer and K. T. McFarland, who was a Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs under President Ronald Reagan. Cox considered reentering the race but did not. Politically, Spencer was generally opposed to abortion, against gun control, and a supporter of tighter border security. He supported the George W. Bush administration and its policies, including the war in Iraq. Spencer came out in favor of New York's Court of Appeals denying same-sex marriage to 42 gay and lesbian couples who challenged that denial as unconstitutional. Spencer said that marriage equality for same-sex couples equated to "special rights for gays." Spencer was endorsed by Republican officials such as Congressman Vito Fossella. In contrast, McFarland was pro-choice. However, McFarland ran into trouble with a March comment that appeared to allege that the Clinton campaign had been flying helicopters low over her Southampton, New York house and spying on her; she later said she had been joking, but the episode upset her. In May, McFarland's campaign manager Ed Rollins made personal life charges against Spencer, to which the latter responded, "Shame on you."

On May 31, 2006, Spencer won the endorsement of the state Republican Party organization but did not achieve the threshold of 75 percent he needed to prevent McFarland from gaining an automatic position on the primary ballot. He received 63 percent and would thus have to face McFarland in the September 12 Republican primary. Spencer called on McFarland to step aside after the vote, but McFarland said she would not. In a June 2006 radio ad, Spencer attacked national Republicans for not funding his campaign. On August 22, McFarland announced that she would be suspending her campaign until further notice after her daughter was caught shoplifting.

Results
On September 12, 2006, Spencer defeated McFarland in the Republican Primary, winning 61 to 39 percent of the vote. Republican turnout was less than 6%, the lowest level in more than 30 years. Spencer would also gain the Conservative Party line.

Green
Howie Hawkins was the Green Party's candidate for the United States Senate in the state of New York.

His signature campaign issue was the Iraq War. Specifically, Hawkins criticized Senator Clinton's endorsement of the Iraq war resolution, and continued support for an American troop presence in Iraq.

Hawkins pledged to implement what he described as a modern-day version of the Hatfield–Kennedy Amendment (a proposed Senate resolution intended to cut off funding for the Vietnam War) which would defund military operations for the U.S. Armed Forces unless and until they were redeployed out of theater, and possibly replaced by an international peacekeeping force.

He called upon supporters of Tasini to vote for him in the general election.

Libertarian
Jeff Russell was nominated as the official Libertarian Party candidate for United States Senate at the Libertarian Party of New York Convention on April 29, 2006, in Albany.

Candidates

 * Hillary Rodham Clinton, incumbent U.S. Senator (Democratic, Working Families, and Independence)
 * John Spencer, former mayor of Yonkers (Republican, Conservative)

Lester "Beetlejuice" Green, a frequent guest on The Howard Stern Show announced a mock campaign via video for the "2008 New York Senate Election," though there was no Senate election in New York in 2008. His announcement video listed his stances on abortion and tax cuts. Green was not listed on any ballot.
 * Bill Van Auken, writer and nominee for President in 2004 (Socialist Equality)
 * Roger Calero, writer and nominee for President in 2004 (Socialist Workers)
 * Howie Hawkins, anti-nuclear energy activist and founder of the Green Party (Green)
 * Jeff Russell (Libertarian)

Campaign
Clinton spent $36 million for her re-election, more than any other candidate for Senate in the 2006 elections.

Polls during the campaign generally showed Clinton with a 20-point lead or better over Spencer, with none of the third-party candidates — Hawkins, Bill Van Auken of the Socialist Equality Party, and Jeff Russell of the Libertarian Party — showing strength.

On November 7, 2006, Clinton won easily, garnering 67% of the vote to Spencer's 31%.

Debates

 * Complete video of debate, October 20, 2006
 * Complete video of debate, October 22, 2006

Results

 * Source: New York State Board of Elections General Election Results, Certified December 14, 2006

 * Percentages do not add to 100% due to rounding.
 * Per New York State law, Clinton and Spencer totals include their minor party line votes: Independence Party and Working Families Party for Clinton, Conservative Party for Spencer.
 * In addition, 213,777 ballots were blank, void, or scattered, and are not included in the Turnout sum or percentages.

Counties that flipped from Republican to Democratic
• Broome (largest municipality: Binghamton)

• Cattaraugus (largest municipality: Olean)

• Chautauqua (largest municipality: Jamestown)

• Chemung (largest municipality: Elmira)

• Chenango (largest municipality: Norwich)

• Clinton (largest municipality: Plattsburgh)

• Columbia (largest municipality: Hudson)

• Cortland (largest municipality: Cortland)

• Delaware (largest municipality: Sidney)

• Dutchess (County Seat: Poughkeepsie)

• Essex (largest municipality: Ticonderoga)

• Franklin (largest municipality: Malone)

• Fulton (largest municipality: Gloversville)

• Genesee (largest municipality: Batavia)

• Greene (largest municipality: Catskill)

• Herkimer (largest municipality: German Flatts)

• Jefferson (largest municipality: Le Ray)

• Lewis (largest municipality: Lowville)

• Livingston (largest municipality: Geneseo)

• Madison (largest municipality: Oneida)

• Montgomery (largest municipality: Amsterdam)

• Nassau (largest municipality: Hempstead)

• Oneida (largest municipality: Utica)

• Ontario (largest municipality: Geneva)

• Orange (largest municipality: Kiryas Joel)

• Orleans (largest municipality: Albion)

• Oswego (largest municipality: Oswego)

• Otsego (largest municipality: Oneonta)

• Putnam (largest municipality: Lake Carmel)

• Rockland (County Seat: New City)

• Richmond (Staten Island, borough of New York City)

• St. Lawrence (largest municipality: Massena)

• Saratoga (largest municipality: Saratoga Springs)

• Schoharie (largest municipality: Cobleskill)

• Schuyler (largest municipality: Watkins Glen)

• Seneca (largest municipality: Seneca Falls)

• Suffolk (largest municipality: Brookhaven)

• Sullivan (largest municipality: Monticello)

• Tioga (largest municipality: Waverly)

• Ulster (largest municipality: Kingston)

• Warren (largest municipality: Glens Falls)

• Washington (largest municipality: Hudson Falls)

• Wayne (largest municipality: Newark)

• Yates (largest municipality: Penn Yan)

Analysis
Clinton's victory margin over her Republican opponent (67%–31%) was a significant gain over her showing in the 2000 senate race against Rick Lazio (55%–43%). She carried all but four of New York's sixty-two counties. Clinton's 2006 margin did not quite equal the percentage received by Eliot Spitzer in the concurrent gubernatorial race (69%%–29%) nor by Charles Schumer in his 2004 Senate re-election campaign (71%%–24%), both of which had also been against little-known Republican opponents.

Jeanine Pirro would go on to get the Republican nomination for New York State Attorney General, but lost in the 2006 attorney general election to Democrat Andrew Cuomo.

Clinton was criticized by some Democrats for spending too much in a one-sided contest, while some supporters were concerned she did not leave more funds for a potential presidential bid in 2008. In the following months she transferred $10 million of her Senate funds toward her 2008 presidential campaign.

Following her Attorney General loss, Pirro left electoral politics and became a television judge and political commentator. Spencer left politics altogether. Tasani ran for a House seat in 2010 but was not competitive. Clinton fell short in her 2008 presidential nomination bid, served as U.S. Secretary of State for four years, and then ran again in the 2016 United States presidential election but suffered a general election loss.


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Alejandro Lerner

Alejandro Federico Lerner (born June 8, 1957) is an Argentine musician and singer-songwriter. He has written and sung countless songs including several hits, and his fame and recognition spread all over South America.

Through his career, Lerner played in different bands, formed his own group, and worked with international artists such as Luis Miguel, Paul Anka, and Celine Dion.

Lerner was born in Buenos Aires to a family of Ashkenazi Jewish origin. In 1974, he was discovered by Raúl Porchetto, who invited him to join a short-term project called Reino de Munt. In 1977, Lerner participated in Gustavo Santaolalla's band Soluna. In addition, Alejandro Lerner was consolidating his skills as a performer while working with well-known Argentine singers Leon Gieco and Sandra Mihanovich.

In 1981, Lerner formed a band called la Magia, playing along with bass player Hernán Magiano, guitarist Damián Figueroa, saxophonist Oscar Kreimer, and drummer Luis Querón, releasing Alejandro Lerner y La Magia in 1982. A year later, the band broke up and he decided to start his solo career, releasing Todo a Pulmón that same year and Lerner Tres in 1984. In 1998, Alejandor Lerner recorded the theme "Paths of the Soul" next to Kennedy Choir[2] and with more than 120 Argentine artists under the direction of Instrumental pianist and conductor Nazareno Andorno. In 1999, a compilation of his greatest hits, called 20 Años (20 Years), was released.

In 2002, Lerner gained exposure in the US when he collaborated with Carlos Santana on the song "Hoy Es Adiós" which was released on Santana's album Shaman. In 2021 both artists collaborated again on the single "Puro Sentimiento", which was remixed in 2022 with Sofía Reyes and L-Gante.

1970s

 * 1979 Sus primeras canciones

1980s

 * 1982 Alejandro Lerner y la Magia
 * 1983 Todo a pulmón
 * 1984 Lernertres
 * 1985 Conciertos
 * 1987 Algo que decir
 * 1988 Canciones

1990s

 * 1990 Entrelíneas
 * 1992 Amor infinito
 * 1994 Permiso de volar
 * 1995 La magia continúa
 * 1997 Magic hotel
 * 1997 Volver a empezar
 * 1999 20 años

2000s

 * 2000 Si quieres saber quién soy
 * 2002 Lerner vivo
 * 2003 Buen viaje
 * 2006 Canciones para gente niña
 * 2007 Enojado
 * 2008 "EN VIVO EN EL GRAN REX CD Y DVD"
 * 2016 "Autentico"

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Category:Woodswallows

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The result of the debate was Soft redirect. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 00:56, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Empty, tagged for deletion by JohnCastle but not listed here. --Kbdank71 13:54, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Though it's redundant with Category:Artamidae, a soft redirect would probably be a good idea here. siafu 15:52, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

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Category: Characters from Mary Poppins

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The result of the debate was Delete. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 00:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

 * No articles. Doesn't seem to any potential. --Apostrophe 05:19, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No argument. siafu 15:49, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, potential too limited. - choster 21:53, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

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Shannara

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The result of the debate was Delete. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 00:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Category: Characters from The First King of Shannara
 * Category: Characters from The Voyage of Jerle Shannara
 * Category: Characters from The High Druid of Shannara

 * Empty. Appear to be left-overs from a category rename several weeks back.  Articles were moved to new categories, and these were left behind, unpopulated.  TexasAndroid 20:13, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. No argument. siafu 21:11, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete of course. Yes, I renamed the categories, but left these behind. Sorry. -- Alex Nisnevich (talk) 21:17, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

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Comoran

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The result of the debate was Delete. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 00:27, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Category: Comoran people
 * Category: Comoran politicians

 * Empty. No parent categories either.  Could be easily recreated later if there are people to place in them at the time. TexasAndroid 20:21, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Redundant with Category:Comorian people and Category:Comorian politicians. siafu 21:14, 23 August 2005 (UTC) See comment below Restored my original vote; I'm convinced by SDC. siafu 19:12, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and delete "Comorian" categories, because "Comoran" is the correct adjective refering to the people of Comoros. -- Darwinek 18:16, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Seems to be some disagreement on this; see Comoros and Comorian Franc. Wikipedia uses "Comorian" right now everywhere, but google endorses "Comoran" (30K to 17K).  Which way to lean? siafu 18:31, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. I think that really adjective "Comoran" is correct. We have "Comoros" not "Comorios". Maybe we should change it here on Wikipedia to "Comoran" and put somewhere a note about it, for future reference. -- Darwinek 19:42, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. The CIA and Google have it wrong.  Check official sources.  The US State Dept, the UN, the EU, the French government and the Comorian government all say "Comorian."  I'm the one who removed all instances of "Comoran" from Wikipedia.  Look at the article I wrote on the Comorian franc.  There are links to articles from official sites (EU, Banque de France).  You'll see that they use "Comorian".  Also the French adjective is Comorien/Comorienne.  The US State Dept has it right, but the CIA World Factbook has it wrong.  Go figure.  Also, Britannica and other encyclopedias use "Comorian."  Darwinek, your logic doesn't hold.  What about Canada?  Canada --> Canadian.  At the time I changed all instances of "Comoran" to "Comorian", Comorian" was by far more common on Wikipedia.  Also, to be especially certain, I telephoned the Comorian delegation at the United Nations.  Their response was, "There is no word 'Comoran'."  I hope this clarifies things.  SDC 16:35, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * ......  Wow.  That's a *lot* of effort to go through to verify things.  My goodness.  Nice job. TexasAndroid 16:58, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. as per SDC. --Kbdank71 13:14, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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Fictional animals

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The result of the debate was Delete. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 00:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Category: Fictional crocodiles
 * Category: Fictional mice

 * Empty. Content appears to have been moved to Category:Fictional crocodiles and alligators and Category:Fictional mice and rats a week or so back. - TexasAndroid 21:03, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. How necessary can it be, really, to have a seperate Category:Fictional crocodiles and alligators also?  Wouldn't Category:Fictional reptiles be enough? siafu 21:20, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. empty.  --Kbdank71 13:18, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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Category:America

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The result of the debate was Keep. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 00:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Emptied over two months ago. Category says it can be deleted, but nothing appears to have been done. Doing it now. :) - TexasAndroid 21:08, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No argument. siafu 21:16, 23 August 2005 (UTC) Keep, now that it's been fixed. siafu 19:06, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep for use as a "category disambig" device pointing as a soft redirect to Category:Americas and Category:United States. - choster 00:07, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * What is a "Category disambig", and how does such work. I'm aware of the disambig pages, but not in a category sense. TexasAndroid 14:09, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * They're not common, but see for example Category:Birmingham, as well as Category:Wikipedia category redirects. - choster 18:02, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Submitter, changing my vote. I like what Choster has done with the category. TexasAndroid 18:11, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment I am not sure I like it, but I don't totally dislike it. The problem with even keeping the cat's we soft redirect, is they still end up with articles, and we have to periodically check Category:Wikipedia category redirects to ensure there aren't being used.  With this being a disambig cat it doesn't have that capability.   ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  02:07, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Heh, how did I miss that Category:Disambiguation categories.. okay keep.  ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  02:09, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Anime magazines

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The result of the debate was Delete. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 00:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Empty, appears to have at one point duplicated Category:Anime and manga magazines. - TexasAndroid 21:11, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. empty.  --Kbdank71 13:19, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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Category:East Asian swords

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The result of the debate was No consensus (no change). ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 00:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Empty. - TexasAndroid 21:19, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete this one, though I think I'm going to create Category:Asian swords this evening to go with Category:European swords as there are plenty of articles that would fit. siafu 21:23, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * KEEP', if you're going to create an Asian sword category, it should be divided between South Asian, East Asian, Central Asian and Middle Eastern. Asian swords would be an unholy grabbag of disparate lineages of sword making traditions. 132.205.64.91 23:37, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Go right ahead. For the record, I didn't include Middle Eastern swords in the new category; I only made it to go alongside the European cat. siafu 23:48, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep per 132.205.64.91. — Instantnood 18:32, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. it's been empty since nomination, if nobody wants to populate it (anon or Instantnood), it should be deleted.  We shouldn't keep around empty cats.  --Kbdank71 13:12, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * COMMENT it seems populated to me. 132.205.44.43 20:09, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Weapons of East Asia

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The result of the debate was Delete. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 00:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm weaker on this one. It's empty, but still fits into the logical subcategorization of it's parent. Also appears to have survived at least one CFD previously. But still, it's empty. No idea how long it's been so. - TexasAndroid 21:25, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete The current categorization scheme has Category:Weapons by country listing countries seperately without a "by " level. siafu 23:45, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per siafu and it's empty.  --Kbdank71 13:23, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Skills to Category:Human skills

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The result of the debate was No consensus (no change). ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 00:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Articles must me moved in one or opposite direction, depending whether animals can have "skills," i.e., learned abilities (I am not good in English language). For example, many horse gaits are definitely something acquired, i.e, skills to my tastes. mikka (t) 22:10, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Comment: Neither the category nor the article (Skill) provide a clear description. I'm alomst tempted to vote delete on both due to how widespread and unconnected the collection of articles in this cat is. siafu 19:10, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm with siafu.  That's the problem with categories like these.  Nobody knows what to put in them, so they wind up with everything.  --Kbdank71 13:26, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Category:Skills as a parent currently holds other useful subs, delete Category:Human skills as above. ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  15:33, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Wisconsin lakes

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The result of the debate was Delete. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 00:34, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Redundant with Category:Lakes of Wisconsin, which is actually named consistently with other categories (i.e., "Lakes of ..."). Tomer TALK 23:32, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. No argument. siafu 23:37, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

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Operas by composer

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The result of the debate was No consensus (no change). ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 00:51, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Category: Operas by Victor Herbert
 * Category: Operas by Sigmund Romberg
 * Category: Operas by Rudolf Friml
 * Category: Operas by Noel Coward
 * Category: Operas by Johann Strauss II
 * Category: Operas by Gentry Warden
 * Category: Operas by Franz Lehár
 * Category: Operas by Emmerich Kalman
 * Category: Operas by Emmanuel Chabrier
 * Category: Operas by Charles Cuvillier

 * All are empty. Appears that they were created with the intention of filling, but then nothing was found to fill them, so the creater unlinked them and left them.  - TexasAndroid 01:33, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No argument. siafu 18:37, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, and fill them in. That's what Wikipedia's all about, isn't it, building out legit categories? Someone needs to do some research and writing, not get heavy on the Delete key. 12.73.195.2 20:53, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename as follows:
 * Category:Operas by Victor Herbert → Category:Operettas by Victor Herbert
 * Category:Operas by Sigmund Romberg → Category:Operettas by Sigmund Romberg
 * Category:Operas by Rudolf Friml → Category:Operettas by Rudolf Friml
 * Category:Operas by Noel Coward → Category:Operettas by Noel Coward
 * Category:Operas by Johann Strauss II → Category:Johann Strauss II
 * Category:Operas by Gentry Warden → Category:Operettas by Gentry Warden
 * Category:Operas by Franz Lehár → Category:Operettas by Franz Lehár
 * Category:Operas by Emmerich Kalman → Category:Operettas by Emmerich Kalman
 * Category:Operas by Emmanuel Chabrier → Category:Operettas by Emmanuel Chabrier
 * Category:Operas by Charles Cuvillier → delete
 * Articles do exist for several of their works, but WP distinguishes between opera and operetta. - choster 00:16, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename per Choster Septentrionalis 21:40, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete the empty ones, rename the populated ones. If someone wants to do the research and writing, User 12.73.195.2, the deleted ones can be recreated then.  --Kbdank71 13:30, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * D n R per Kbdank71. ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  15:30, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Operas by Anton Dvorak

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The result of the debate was Delete. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 00:53, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * This one composer category appears to be a typo of Category:Operas by Antonin Dvorak. Suggest speedy.  - TexasAndroid 01:33, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy d empty and mis-spelled. ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  15:28, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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