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Talk:Holy Cross dispute

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"Holy Cross (Belfast))" shouldn't link here, the page redirects to itself!!!!!Undead Herle King (talk) 22:18, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Wording
Why the change from "Loyalists" to "unionists" in the third para of beginnings. Gerry Lynch 23:54, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

The people involved were unionists.

Lapsed Pacifist 00:58, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It's POV-pushing. Lapsed Pacifist wants to tar moderate unionists with the same brush as the loyalist scumbags responsible for Holy Cross. He's done the same thing on many other pages too, changing "loyalist paramilitaries" to "unionist paramilitaries". Demiurge 08:31, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

No, it's not. What makes a unionist a loyalist? "Loyalist scumbags"? If you were a unionist, would you like IRA men walking by your door every morning? - it was Protestants who started rioting and threw fireworks at 10 Year Old Girls. The 'IRA' men never did anything like that did they? Lapsed Pacifist 08:46, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

These were ordinary Catholics, taking a stand, by demanding the right for their kids to go to school free of intimidation. At what point did they become 'nationalists'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.17.219.152 (talk) 14:06, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

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This article needs a Picture, does anyone have a photo of the area? Or perhaps a "heat of the moment" pic where the loyalists threw pipebombs on the street? Superdude99 15:44, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

The argument of IRA Men walking past their houses is a scapgoat to try and condon this sectarian act. If that's the case, why do Loyalists get worked up when Orange Order marches are banned from Catholic areas, when the Orange Order is filled with Loyalists paramilitary members, not to mention to the so called "supports" of the march, who are allowed to follow, teenagers and known Loyalist paramilitary members shouting Anti Catholics slogans.

Every child has the right to education. Why did the parents walk their Children up the road, knowing their was a protest? The same reason Black People did it in America in the 1950's: it would be wrong to let hatred and bigetory to prevail.

BBX, this is a talk page about the article, not a discussion forum. Valenciano 13:26, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Garbage
This article is awful.

" Sadly they started protesting about this following a dispute and an alleged allegation that a parent kicked the wing mirror of a vehicle. Very upsetting and serious incidents of verbal abuse and violence occurred at the pickets, and there was widespread disorder throughout north Belfast for the duration of the dispute as a result of this dispute."

'Sadly'. 'Very upsetting'?

This is not a balanced article. It doesn't seem to coincide with the BBC (not known for being pro-Loyalist) says http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/1518025.stm

The whole article needs rewriting: no more emotive words, and nothing without a good citation, as this article is an obvious target for POV-pushing by either Loyalist or Republican tendencies. I don't think the current length can be sustained as the detail can't be sourced, so it should probably shrink to little more than a 2-paragraph stub. Nssdfdsfds 01:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Agreed, feel free to edit. I have started. Dainamo 15:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * In terms of describing the two communities, I think republican/loyalist only should be used rather than nationalist/unionist. Stu   ’Bout ye!  16:50, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * "Loyalist" and "Republican" have evolved to refer to the more militant wings of the uniionist and nationalist community respectively. Hence when defining the communities in general it is far more NPOV to call them unionist and nationalist.  The use of the other terms must be done so with disctetion and refer to specific groups, individuals and actions Dainamo 15:35, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The whole article needs to be reorganised given the contested history of the dispute. Inevitably the context and chronology of the dispute is going to be heavily challenged which can only be offset by significant inline referencing/linking to external sources and minimal narrative text (where possible including direct quotes from reliable sources, such as BBC, Irish Times, Belfast Telegraph etc rather than paraphrasing). The initial paragraph is fine but should probably be just followed by two sections giving an account from each side - perhaps best labelled as 'Protestors Perspectives' and 'Parents Perspectives' as neutral terms. This also avoids the issue of loaded labels like loyalist-unionist-Protestant or republican-nationalist-Catholic, although the two sections should perhaps include reference to the fact that the Protestors/Parents viewpoints on the dispute reflect their loyalist-unionist-Protestant background etc. Any claims with no external referencing should be deleted or consigned to a separate page (Claims about the Holy Cross Dispute) linked back to the main page. Jjconeill (talk) 09:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

International coverage?
There's very little mention of the enormous international coverage of this incident. I was in the States in 2001 and the story was widely covered by most if not all the news channels, and all the national newspapers. It was incredible. 79.97.154.238 (talk) 00:03, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree, there was even an Oprah Winfrey Show devoted to the events covered by this article. The absense of any mention of the international reaction makes this article incomplete at best, and misleading at worst. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.194.195.232 (talk) 15:48, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Asian Saga

Comments on the Article
First, these are novels, so I don't know what kind of references you are looking for someone to cite. Secondly, for people who haven't read the actual novels, someone needs to explain what a "tai-pan" is before diving into a whole list/discussion of them. Mr. Shoeless (talk) 16:33, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Agreed. Plus, there should be something about critical reception, a summary of how the novels compare to historical events, etc. Boneyard90 (talk) 03:53, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Canonical list of former Tai-Pans
Short of digging up James Clavell and asking him, is there not a canonical list of Tai-Pans of the Noble House? There is a partial and hotly debated list in Noble House and some clues can be pulled in from other sources such as Gai-Jin. Did Clavell leave behind any notes, style guides, etc., or did the estate ever authorize anyone to write the definitive history? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dkendr (talk • contribs) 15:34, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

How did Linbar Struan become Tai-Pan?
How would Linbar Struan become Tai-Pan with all of his weakness? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.122.168.34 (talk • contribs) 23:55, 17 August 2005.
 * A quote from Noble House on the requirements for becoming tai-pan:
 * The tai-pan alone chooses his successor who shall be selected only from an Inner Court of six men. Of these, one shall be our compradore who shall, in perpetuity, be from the House of Chen. The other five shall be worthy to be tai-pan, shall be good men and true with at least five whole years of service in the Company as China Traders, and shall be wholesome in spirit. They must be Christian and must be kinsmen to the clan Struan by birth or marriage-my line and my brother Robb's line not taking precedence, unless by fortitude or qualities over and above all others.

 * It's entirely possible he was the only member of the Inner Circle who met all the requirements. Several other candidates were eliminated by death and by being suspected of espionage, if I remember the series correctly. JubalHarshaw 16:52, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Book order
The chronological pattern was represented ... "it is therefore possible to read them in virtually any order", huh? ... the published order is no where to be found ... but is important. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 23skidoo (talk • contribs)  01:38, 21 March 2006.

You're right. I'm going to rearrange them into order of publication. Since they're not necessarily meant to be read in the order they take place anyway, this seems like a more natural listing than the current one. Binabik80 (talk) 21:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Origins and Officialness of "Asian Saga" Not Cited
It isn't at all clear where and when the term "Asian Saga" comes from and a few Google searches have turned up no information. Thus, I added a "citation needed" flag to the article. A lot of instances of the term on the Web simply point to Wikipedia as its origin which isn't much of a citation since someone could have just made it up.

The article should state what the origin of the term is. Was it a publisher? Was it Clavell himself? Has this term appeared on or in any of the actual printings of the books? (It doesn't appear at all on or in my edition of Shogun (ISBN-10: 0-440-17800-2).)

How official is this term? If it's not endorsed by a publisher or from the author itself, the article should term it "unofficial".

Other than stating that this term was used after Shogun was published, it also provides no time-frame for its use nor is the source for that vague time-frame cited.

—Patrick Garies 06:46, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

My copies of the books (only have Gai-Jin on me at the moment, but it was the '94 edition) says "The Asian Saga" on the side. I can't speak for the origins, but it is an official or semi-official title of the series. Certainly the best we have. 72.226.54.235 (talk) 06:59, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

note 3
"The two Scragger boys are Frederick (a Eurasian) and Albert (a pure blooded Englishman).[2] In their papers, Dirk Struan wrote down a name for the boys. The Eurasian Albert was originally given "Albert Chen," but the European Frederick insisted they be given the same name." That's contradicting itself -- who was Eurasian? (Haven't got the book here, maybe someone else can take a quick peek) Also, I noticed that the name "Scragger" returns in "Whirlwind" as one of the pilots (an Australian). This could be another easter egg connection... Too bad Clavell didn't leave a lot of notes like Tolkien, his "universe" is nearly as complex. --84.164.98.89 (talk) 13:33, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Moved from the article
Lochlin Struan became tai-pan for a second time after Kelly O'Gorman, the fifth tai-pan, was killed as he tried to murder Tess Struan, and so Lochlin Struan became the sixth tai-pan, but totally under the thumb of Tess Struan, until his death in 1915. It is not explained how O'Gorman, whose name is presumably Irish, was permitted to assume the top post of Struan's as Dirk Struan had specified that the leader must be of Scottish descent and "kin to the clan Struan."
 * Counter notes (note #1 NOBLE HOUSE states that O'Gorman is a grandson of the Tess Straun; he was tai-pan in name only -he should not even be in the list; Lochlin should be the 3rd and 5th, not 6th, tai-pan. Ross Lechie Struan is the 6th tai-pan; there must be another ROSS STRUAN in the list, presumably, Alastair's father -because Clavell stated in NOBLE HOUSE that "Old Hawk Nose" also called Old tai-pan, Alastair's father, was the very first tai-pan Ian Dunross can remember and that his name is also Ross Struan. He must be the 7th tai-pan not read by Casey Tcholok from the long gallery; later he was referred to as Sir Ross Struan implying that he lived long enough to be knighted. This could not possibly be the ROSS LECHIE of the list because he died in the First World War. Moreover, Ian Dunross was born in the 1920s -he's 41 years old in 1963, so he's presumably born in 1922. It's not possible for him to 'remember' ROSS LECHIE because he died long before Dunross was born; we can only assume that Alastair's father, ROSS STRUAN, is another member of the Struan family and that he became tai-pan after ROSS LECHIE -after all, Robb Struan had two sons to follow him, Roddy and Sir Lochlin. As James Clavell did not leave a clear list of tai-pans, fans can only speculate and calculate for themselves; a calculation of Alastair's and Ian Dunross's age and a consultation of the partial list in NOBLE HOUSE will support the two ROSS STRUAN theory.
 * note #2 Dirk's Legacy did not specifically mention Scottish descent as a requirement, merely that the candidate be Christian, a kinsman, by blood or marriage, and of wholesome spirit -Jacques deVille is French and yet he was a member of the Inner Circle and was considered a contender; Paul "Profitable" Choy is pure Chinese but he was inducted by the weak Linbar Struan to the Inner Circle when Choy married one of Linbar's daughters and converted to Christianity
 * note # 3 The MacStruans are not related in any way to the Struans, Dunrosses or the Chens. As part of the coin favor of Wu Fang-Sang, Dirk Struan agreed to finance and support the education of three young boys. The three turned out to be a grandson of Wu Fang (he is never heard of again), and the two sons of the pirate Scragger. The two Scragger boys are Frederick (a Eurasian) and Albert (a pure blooded Englishman). In their papers, Dirk Struan wrote down a name for the boys.  The Eurasian Albert was originally given "Albert Chen," but the European Frederick insisted they be given the same name.  Struan gave them the clan name MacStruan. It is implied in GAI-JIN that the two are eventually adopted into the Clan Struan. Albert became "Shang-hai Albert", manager of the Noble House in Shang-hai and later in Japan while Frederick became Sir Frederick MacStruan with a seat in Parliament. Even then there were rumours among the staff of the Noble House that they are "illegitimate children" of Dirk Struan and Mary Sinclair and that The Hag, Tess Struan, hated them. Whatever the rumors were, The Hag's LEGACY stated that the MacStruans were considered for the position of tai-pan but were not yet ready. David MacStruan was the choice of Ian Dunross and from what Jacques deVille says of him, he is quite capable for the position. It remains a mystery how MacStruan could have chosen Linbar Struan as his successor before his untimely, and highly suspicious, death. WHIRLWIND gives an account of how an affidavit stating Linbar's selection was found literally "lying around" the dead MacStruan's office. The mystery of his death and the possible involvement of Paul Choy, Linbar Struan and a Japanese businessman is one of the subplots of the novel with Ian Dunross working "behind the scenes" to unravel the mystery.)

Hag Struan was tai-pan in everything but name from 1841 until her death in 1917. She assumed "the power behind the throne" due to Culum's weaknesses (GAI-JIN implies that Culum became an alcoholic and died of stroke) and her apparent affection for Dirk Struan's memory.

 * note # 4 From GAI-JIN, it is clearly a requirement that the tai-pan must be at least 21 years old to succeed to the position. Since NOBLE HOUSE gives Dirk Dunross's birth year as 1852, he presumably officially became tai-pan in 1873. According to NOBLE HOUSE, Ross Lechie Struan was born in 1887, so he likely succeeded as tai-pan in 1908. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.166.215.220 (talk) 09:21, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Should "captain" be "chaplain"?
I've not yet read most of the books but in the article I note "the captain who married Malcolm Struan and Angelique Richaud". Should that actually be "chaplain"? MarkMLl (talk) 20:30, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * No, they were married on shipboard by the ship's captain.Czrisher (talk) 17:08, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Missing Reference?
Asian_Saga reads that Kelly O'Gorman was tai-pan in name only and to see the note. However, the notes were removed (and, yes, placed here on the talk page). I would do some cleanup but I no longer have the novels in my library. Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 23:48, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

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West Fork River

The West Fork River is a principal tributary of the Monongahela River, 103 mi long, in north-central West Virginia, United States. Via the Monongahela and Ohio Rivers, it is part of the watershed of the Mississippi River, draining an area of 881 square miles (2,284 km²) on the unglaciated portion of the Allegheny Plateau.

Geography
The river is formed near the community of Rock Cave in southwestern Upshur County by the confluence of small headwaters tributaries known as Straight Fork and Whites Camp Fork. From this confluence the West Fork River flows north through Lewis, Harrison and Marion counties, through the communities of Weston, West Milford, Clarksburg, Lumberport, Shinnston, Enterprise, Worthington, and Monongah to Fairmont, where it joins the Tygart Valley River from the west to form the Monongahela River. (The Tygart is thus the "East Fork" of the Monongahela.) Among other tributaries, it collects Stonecoal Creek in Weston; Hackers Creek in southern Harrison County; Elk Creek in Clarksburg; and Simpson Creek and Tenmile Creek in northern Harrison County.

The West Fork has a low gradient and is slow-moving throughout its course. It is locally popular for fishing, and is stocked with muskellunge by the West Virginia Division of Natural Resources. Other fish species in the river include carp; channel and flathead catfish; golden and rainbow trout; largemouth, smallmouth, and spotted bass; sauger; and walleye.

Jackson's Mill was established along the river north of Weston around the year 1800 by Edward Jackson; his grandson, Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson lived there during much of his youth. The site has been operated as a 4-H facility since the 1920s.

A walking trail parallels the river for 1.2 miles (2 km) in Veteran's Park in Clarksburg. For much of its length between Clarksburg and Fairmont, the West Fork is paralleled by a pair of rail trails on the route of a mid-19th century line of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad. The Harrison County Trail extends northward from Clarksburg, and the West Fork River Trail connects Shinnston to Fairmont. A long-term closure of the connection between the two trails is anticipated, due to the presence of hazardous waste at an industrial site near the community of Spelter in northern Harrison County.

Dams and navigation

The West Fork River is not navigable by commercial barge traffic; it is classified by the West Virginia Division of Natural Resources as "recreationally navigable" for canoes and similar craft. During the early history of the United States, the government of Virginia attempted to maintain commercial navigability on the river, chartering a company for that purpose in 1793 and requiring that dams for milling operations provide a chute for boats to pass downstream. Construction of a system of locks, dams, and chutes was begun by the Monongahela Navigation Company in 1817; the project was abandoned following damage by floods in 1824.

3 mi south of Weston, the river is dammed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to form Stonewall Jackson Lake. The project was authorized by the federal Flood Control Act of 1966 for flood control, improvement of water quality and water supply, improvement of habitat for fish and wildlife, hydropower, and recreation. Construction of the dam was delayed by the opposition of local residents and began in the mid-1980s at an ultimate cost of $208 million; it became fully operational in 1988. The dam is 95 feet (29 m) tall and forms a 2,650 acre lake, with a larger capacity during periods of flood. Land along the lake is leased as a wildlife management area and Stonewall Jackson Lake State Park.

Between the years of 1905 and 1931, four small dams were constructed by the Clarksburg Water Board on a sixteen-mile (26 km) stretch of the river upstream (south) of Clarksburg, for the provision of local drinking water. While the dams in later years have come to be regarded as good fishing areas, the Water Board is working with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service on plans to remove them. In 2016 removal of three of the dams was completed in an effort led by U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, the removed dams being: West Milford, Two Lick, and Highland Dams. Removal of the dams is claimed to have improved public safety, recreation access, water quality, and ecological connectivity.

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The United States Board on Geographic Names settled on "West Fork River" as the stream's name in 1902. According to the Geographic Names Information System, the West Fork River has also been known historically as:
 * Muddy River
 * West Branch
 * West Fork
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 * West Fork of Monongahela River
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The result of the debate was Keep --Allen3 talk 11:27, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Franz Tausend
I don't know what this is. But it's not an encyclopedia article. Ben-w 23:58, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. While there are only 176 Google hits on this alchemist from the 1920s and 1930s, they are from a wide variety of sources and there appears to be a fair degree of notability (keep in mind that his 15 minutes of fame ended way before the Internet was around).  However, the article is very POV given that many of the sources claim that he was a con artist.  The article needs work. -- DS1953 00:09, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep but cleanup. The article does contain some real information, though presented in a highly POV fashion. Also agree with DS1953's arguments. ManoaChild 00:15, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I've started the cleanup process. It isn't that bad really - it won't take much for someone with a knowledge of the subject to turn it into a good article. Osomec 00:28, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * keep. Another example of something that may not get many google hits, but that doesn't mean it should be deleted. Trollderella 00:33, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Interesting story. Dottore So 01:45, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Interesting article and he seems notable enough. Capitalistroadster 01:57, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
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Live (The Mars Volta EP)

Live is the first officially released live recording from the band The Mars Volta. The EP was released in limited quantities in 2003 and is now difficult to find. Due to this, the EP has become a collectors item among fans. The first two tracks were recorded live at the XFM Studio in London, 2003. The last two tracks were recorded at the Electric Ballroom in London on July 9, 2003.

The jam in "Drunkship of Lanterns" later became part of "Cygnus...Vismund Cygnus" from Frances the Mute.

The album artwork is from the fable of Arachne (also Arachné). It has also been used as the backdrop during the band's live performances.

Australian release
The Mars Volta repackaged the live EP and re-released it included with the Tour Edition release of De-Loused in the Comatorium, as well as an Australian-only single for "Televators" in January, 2004, coinciding with their tour with the Big Day Out. It features the studio version of "Televators", and then the same four live tracks.

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Den of Thieves (album)

Den of Thieves is the second full-length album by Canadian rock band The Trews. It was released in 2005 on Epic Records, and peaked at number 6 on the Canadian Albums Chart.

The first single from this album was "So She's Leaving", and it was followed by "Yearning", "Poor Ol' Broken Hearted Me" and "I Can't Say".

The album was certified Gold (50,000 copies) by the CRIA in January 2006.

Track listing
All songs by Sean Dalton, Colin MacDonald, John-Angus MacDonald, Jack Syperek unless otherwise noted.

 * 1) "Fire Up Ahead" – 3:01
 * 2) "Makin' Sunshine" – 3:47
 * 3) "Cry" – 3:41
 * 4) "Sweetness" – 3:33
 * 5) "I Can't Say" – 4:19
 * 6) "So She's Leaving" – 3:08
 * 7) "Yearning" – 3:58
 * 8) "The Pearl (More Than Everything)" (Gordie Johnson, MacDonald, MacDonald) – 4:50
 * 9) "Poor Ol' Broken Hearted Me" (Patrick Ballantyne, Johnson, MacDonald, James MacDonald) – 4:18
 * 10) "Ana & Mia" – 3:20
 * 11) "Naked" (Tracy Bonham) – 4:00
 * 12) "Montebello Park" (Johnson, MacDonald, MacDonald) – 3:58
 * 13) "Got Myself to Blame" (featuring Kelly Hoppe) (Dalton, MacDonald, MacDonald, Syperek) – 3:24
 * 14) "The Traveling Kind" – 3:26
 * 15) "Ishmael & Maggie" (Johnson, MacDonald, MacDonald) – 4:20

On the U.S. release, "The Pearl (More Than Everything)" was replaced with "Tired of Waiting" from the Trews' previous album, House of Ill Fame.

European Version

 * 1) "Fire Up Ahead" – 3:02
 * 2) "Makin' Sunshine" – 3:48
 * 3) "Cry" – 3:41
 * 4) "Sweetness" – 3:33
 * 5) "I Can't Say" – 4:19
 * 6) "So She's Leaving" – 3:08
 * 7) "Takes Me a While" (Den of Thieves outtake) – 2:51
 * 8) "Yearning" – 3:58
 * 9) "Poor Ol' Broken Hearted Me" (Ballantyne, Johnson, MacDonald, James MacDonald) – 4:17
 * 10) "Den of Thieves" (Den of Thieves outtake) – 3:55
 * 11) "Ana & Mia" – 3:20
 * 12) "Naked" (Bonham) – 4:00
 * 13) "Got Myself to Blame" (featuring Kelly Hoppe) (Dalton, MacDonald, MacDonald, Syperek) – 3:24
 * 14) "The Traveling Kind" – 3:26
 * 15) "Ishmael & Maggie" (Johnson, MacDonald, MacDonald) (song ends at 4:19 and contains hidden track "Served My Time" (Den of Thieves outtake), which starts at 8:19) – 11:24

Personnel

 * Daniel J. Coe – arranger, programming
 * Sean Dalton – percussion, drums, backing vocals
 * Jack Douglas – percussion, backing vocals, producer
 * Attila Fias – piano, Hammond organ
 * Kelly Hoppe – harmonica
 * Michael Jack – engineer
 * Amoy Levy – backing vocals
 * Colin MacDonald – rhythm guitar, keyboards, vocals
 * John-Angus MacDonald – banjo, guitar, mandolin, rhythm guitar, harmonium, keyboards, backing vocals, melodica, lap steel guitar
 * Andrew MacNaughtan – photography
 * Steve McDade – horn
 * Gord Myers – horn
 * Mark Renner – assistant engineer
 * Jack Syperek – bass, harmonium, backing vocals
 * Steve Wingfield – horn

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Third World Genocide

Third World Genocide is the sixth and final studio album by Nuclear Assault, released in 2005. It is their first studio album since Something Wicked (1993) and the first to feature original bassist Dan Lilker since Out of Order (1991). Third World Genocide was the last studio album the band had released before their breakup in 2022, though they recorded four new songs for their 2015 EP Pounder.

Personnel

 * Erik Burke - guitar
 * Dan Lilker - bass, vocals
 * Glenn Evans - drums, producer
 * John Connelly - choir, chorus, guitar, vocals
 * Matthew Azevedo - mastering
 * Rudy DeDoncker - photography
 * Tim Koukos - 5-string banjo, engineer, guitar (acoustic), guitar (rhythm), jaw harp, mixing, producer, vocals (background)
 * Chris Kozdra (Red Right Hand) - vocals (background on Long Hair Asshole)
 * Pete DeMaggio - lead guitar on "Defiled Innocence"
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Followers of Jesus category
I removed Category:Born-again Christians from Category:Followers of Jesus as the latter is reserved for people in the "Jesus party" during his ministry. While this list is very inclusive, it is reserved for people (and one group) named in the four New Testament gospels. You will note, for instance, that Paul of Tarsus is not listed. -Acjelen 16:19, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Vida Goldstein

How remarkable?
in what way was her life remarkable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.182.65.206 (talk • contribs) 10:09, 18 August 2005

 * A suffragette and pacifist when neither was popular. An early Australian woman parliamentarian, persistently, although unsuccessfully standing for Federal Parliament in a time when women did not stand for public office, or hold jobs, ....  She addressed the US Congress - a remarkable thing for an Australian woman of any generation.--AYArktos 09:27, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

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Vida was a suffragist not suffragette LPascal (talk) 12:33, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
In Australia the women campaigning for the vote are usually called "suffragists" not "suffragettes" which is the UK term. I want to change Vida's description from suffragette to suffragist. This would also delete the link to the definition of the term "suffragette" which refers to a member of the British movement. Does anyone have any objection to this?
 * Checking Australian newspapers of the 1910s using Trove, I find Goldstein and "suffragette" occur 473 times against Goldstein and "suffragist" 77, so I'd dispute at least part of your claim. A great many of those appear to be speaking of Goldstein's relation to, or opinion of, English suffragettes, but even restricting the search to the conjunction of the two words (proximity +/- 5 words) "suffragette" wins 19 hits to 2. That said, I'd prefer "suffragist" as a more dignified term, better suited to the subject, for whom C. H. Spence had the highest admiration. Doug butler (talk) 13:20, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

In Clare Wright- "You daughters of freedom: The Australians who won the vote and inspired the world" (about the Australian suffragists who went to the Uk to help the UK suffragettes), Wright points out that the Australians were called suffragists. https://www.textpublishing.com.au/books/you-daughters-of-freedom-the-australians-who-won-the-vote-and-inspired-the-world. Vida Goldstein and others raised funds for the UK suffragettes here in Australia, so that's why her name appears next to the word "suffragette" in the newspapers, as you point out. Vida and the others did not think of themselves as suffragettes but as suffragists, which is what they were called In Australia until the early 1900s, until after they had won the vote. Then when Australians heard about the political actions of the UK women, they started getting the words confused and began to use both terms. You will find in the earlier newspapers, they were called suffragists. LPascal (talk) 09:03, 21 June 2021 (UTC) LPascal (talk) 09:03, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

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PAF bassist.

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Devil's Beef Tub

The Devil's Beef Tub (Marquis of Annandale's Beef-Tub, Beef-Stand, MacCleran's Loup) is a deep, dramatic hollow in the hills north of the Scottish town of Moffat. The 500 ft hollow is formed by four hills, Great Hill, Peat Knowe, Annanhead Hill and Ericstane Hill. It is one of the two main sources of the River Annan.

Etymology
The unusual name derives from its use to hide stolen cattle by the Border Reivers of the Johnstone clan who were referred to by their enemies as "devils"; it is also called Marquis of Annandale's Beef-Tub (or Beef-Stand) after the Lord of Annandale, chief of the raiding "loons" (here meaning "lads", rather than "lunatics"); the name may also refer to the resemblance the valley bears to a tub used for preserving meat. The Scots Dialect Dictionary, first published 1911 by Chambers and compiled by the lexicographer Alexander Warrack, gives the following; “deil’s beef-tub n. a roaring linn”. In the eighteenth and nineteenth century the local town of Moffat was famed for its sulphur baths. The sulphurous water emanated out of the ground at the Moffat Well adjacent to the Devil’s Beef Tub. This was then transported to the town bath house where its efficacious properties were enjoyed by the public. It would appear that beef-tub is a corruption of bathtub.

History
On 12 August 1685 fleeing covenanter John Hunter attempted to escape pursuing dragoons by running up the steep side of the Beef Tub. He failed, was shot dead on the spot, and is buried in Tweedsmuir kirkyard (churchyard). A monument to Hunter stands on the southwest rim of the Beef Tub.

Literature
In his novel Redgauntlet, novelist Walter Scott said, "It looks as if four hills were laying their heads together, to shut out daylight from the dark hollow space between them. A damned deep, black, blackguard-looking abyss of a hole it is". Scott also describes the flight of a highlander fleeing the aftermath of the failure of the Jacobite rising of 1745; the soldier rolls down the hill amid a hail of enemy gunfire, and escapes. The Beef Tub is also known as MacCleran's Loup after the tumbling highlander.

Other sources

 * Ordnance Gazetteer of Scotland page on the Beef Tub
 * Devil's Beeftub surrounding roads and area
 * Project Gutenberg's e-text of Redgauntlet

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User talk:Phatcat68/Archive Ekedolphin

My thoughts on your departure reasoning
"Born again Christian" isn't exactly an NPOV category, is it? Who's to determine which Christians are "born-again" Christians and which Christians aren't? Everyone has their own opinion about "what Jesus would do", and two people who consider themselves equally religious may still have differing viewpoints on what a "true" believer of Jesus must believe in.

Let's take the issue of homosexuality, for example. Though I am a straight male, and consider myself a follower of Jesus Christ, I believe there's absolutely no call for someone to say, "God hates fags, and they're all going to hell." For that matter, I don't think there's any call to discriminate against *anybody* based on their choice of lifestyle, skin color, country of origin, native tongue, etc. And I understand that my viewpoint is not adhering to the Old Testament teaching that homosexuality is an abomination. And you know what? I don't care. Those verses simply don't jibe with the God I believe in; I think that God loves all of us and wouldn't want any group of people to be considered outcasts upon the earth.

But other Christians, who also call themselves true believers of Jesus, have the exact opposite viewpoint. Which of those viewpoints is correct? I don't know. But I know that I don't consider myself less of a Christian or less of a person because of what I believe in, and I doubt those who support the opposite viewpoint believe that *they're* less Christian because of their beliefs.

That's just one of many, many theological differences any two Christians can have with one another. To say that Person A is a "born-again Christian" because they believe in this and that and this, but Person B is not a born-again Christian because they have a differing viewpoint, is from your own point of view. It's not factual information, and therefore it has no business being in an encyclopedia.

I don't believe Wikipedia is anti-Christian or anti- *any* religion. I think it's an all-inclusive place where people of many different faiths can co-exist peacefully. I think you're not necessarily upset because Wikipedia is anti-Christian-- you're upset because Wikipedia is all-inclusive and therefore provides a voice to many different opinions. And if that's what's bugging you, then with all due respect you won't be missed much. You weren't appointed the judge of who's a born-again Christian and who isn't, and neither was I. ekedolphin 22:38, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

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Shelly Peiken

Shelly Meg Peiken is an American songwriter who is best known for co-writing the US No. 1 hits "What a Girl Wants" and "Come On Over Baby" by Christina Aguilera the US No. 2 hit "Bitch" by Meredith Brooks, "Almost Doesn't Count" by Brandy, and "Who You Are" by Jessie J. She has also written for or with Britney Spears, The Pretenders, Natasha Bedingfield, Keith Urban, Celine Dion, Cher, Reba McEntire, Jessie J, Miley Cyrus, Ed Sheeran, Aaliyah, Ashley Tisdale, Selena Gomez, Idina Menzel and Demi Lovato and has had hundreds of songs licensed for TV and film.

Biography
Shelly Peiken grew up in Freeport, Long Island where she became interested in music at an early age.

Later, she attended the University of Maryland where she studied fashion design only to come to New York City afterwards where she spent many years developing her true passion as a singer-songwriter.

She signed her first publishing deal with boutique company, Hit & Run Music, and went on to write songs for Brandy, Natalie Cole, Celine Dion, The Pretenders, Britney Spears, Jessie J, Demi Lovato, Selena Gomez, INXS, Backstreet Boys, Keith Urban and many others.

In 1998, Peiken and Meredith Brooks earned a Best Rock Song Grammy nomination for "Bitch".

Further success followed with two No. 1's for Christina Aguilera, "What a Girl Wants" and "Come On Over Baby," "I Wanna Be With You" for Mandy Moore, "Hook Me Up" (a No. 1 in Australia, written with Greg Wells and The Veronicas), "Who You Are" (written with Toby Gad and Jessie J), "Human on the Inside" for the Pretenders (written with Mark McEntee), and "Almost Doesn't Count" for Brandy (written with Guy Roche).

She has blogged for notable sites such as Huffington Post, and Yamaha Music where she writes of her experiences as a songwriter, creativity, the challenges of the current music business, and the balancing of career and parenthood. She has a personal website and blog as well. Peiken's first book, Confessions of a Serial Songwriter, was published by Backbeat Books, on March 1, 2016, and was nominated for Best Spoken Word Album at the 60th Annual Grammy Awards.

She resides in Los Angeles with husband, film composer Adam Gorgoni and her daughter, Layla.

Artist recordings
In 2020, Peiken began releasing singles from her debut album 2.0, etc…. Peiken called the album "a celebration of songwriting... I included songs from my career that either catapulted me in a commercial way but also songs I was very connected to and were never released commercially before. If I don't put them out there, nobody is ever going to hear them." The album includes previously unreleased songs "Just Wanna Be Your Girl," "George & John," and "Notebook," as well as her own recording of "What A Girl Wants" in celebration of its 20th anniversary as the first number 1 song of the century.

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Veriexec

Veriexec is a file-signing scheme for the NetBSD operating system.

It introduces a special device node (/dev/veriexec) through which a signature list can be loaded into the kernel. The list contains file paths, together with hashes and an expected file type ("DIRECT" for executables, "INDIRECT" for scripts and "FILE" for shared libraries and regular files). The kernel then verifies the contents of the signed files against their hashes just before they are opened in an  or   system call.

When Veriexec is enabled at level 0, the kernel will simply warn about signature mismatches. At level 1, it will prevent access to mismatched files. At level 2, it prevents signed files from being overwritten or deleted. At the highest, level 3, the kernel will not allow unsigned files to be accessed at all.

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User talk:80.203.54.163

80.203.54.163: you've been posting a lot of links to Nazarian's Gun Guide into Wiki firearm articles. The content of those links is copied directly from Wikipedia (usually without due credit), or is superficially rewritten. I fail to see the merit of advertising Nazarian's on Wiki, when it provides absolutely no new information. Care to enlighten me? Tronno 00:02, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

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Condon Committee

The Condon Committee was the informal name of the University of Colorado UFO Project, a group funded by the United States Air Force from 1966 to 1968 at the University of Colorado to study unidentified flying objects under the direction of physicist Edward Condon. The result of its work, formally titled Scientific Study of Unidentified Flying Objects, and known as the Condon Report, appeared in 1968.

After examining hundreds of UFO files from the Air Force's Project Blue Book and from the civilian UFO groups National Investigations Committee On Aerial Phenomena (NICAP) and Aerial Phenomena Research Organization (APRO), and investigating sightings reported during the life of the Project, the Committee produced a Final Report that said the study of UFOs was unlikely to yield major scientific discoveries.

The Report's conclusions received a mixed reception from scientists and academic journals. The report has been cited as a decisive factor in the generally low level of interest in UFO activity among academics since that time. According to a principal critic of the Report, it is "the most influential public document concerning the scientific status of this UFO problem. Hence, all current scientific work on the UFO problem must refer to the Condon Report".

Background
Beginning in 1947 with Project Sign, which then became Project Grudge and finally Project Blue Book, the U.S. Air Force conducted formal studies of UFOs, a subject of considerable public and some governmental interest. Blue Book had come under increasing criticism in the 1960s. Growing numbers of critics—including U.S. politicians, newspaper writers, UFO researchers, scientists and some of the general public—were suggesting that Blue Book was conducting shoddy, unsupported research or perpetrating a cover up. The Air Force did not want to continue its studies but did not want a cessation of studies to provoke additional cover-up charges. UFOs had become so controversial that no other government agency was willing to take on further UFO studies.

Following a wave of UFO reports in 1965, astronomer and Blue Book consultant J. Allen Hynek wrote a letter to the Air Force Scientific Advisory Board (AFSAB) suggesting that a panel convene to re-examine Blue Book. The AFSAB agreed and the committee it formed, chaired by Brian O'Brien, convened for one day in February, 1966, and suggested UFO studies could be undertaken "in more detail and depth than had been possible to date" and that the U.S. Air Force should work "with a few selected universities to provide scientific teams" to study UFOs. The Committee suggested that about 100 well-documented UFO sightings should be studied annually, with about 10 man-days devoted to each case.

At a Congressional UFO hearing on April 5, 1966, Air Force Secretary Harold Brown defended the Air Force's UFO studies and repeated the O'Brien Committee's call for more studies. Hynek repeated his call for "a civilian panel of physical and social scientists" to "examine the UFO problem critically for the express purpose of determining whether a major problem exists." Shortly after the hearing, the Air Force announced it was seeking one or more universities to undertake a study of UFOs. The Air Force wanted to have several groups, but it took some time to find even a single school willing to accept the Air Force's offer. Both Hynek and James E. McDonald suggested their own campuses, Northwestern University and the University of Arizona, and others suggested astronomer Donald Menzel. All were judged too closely allied with one position or another. Walter Orr Roberts, director of the National Center for Atmospheric Research, and Menzel suggested physicist Edward Condon of the University of Colorado.

In the summer of 1966, Condon agreed to consider the Air Force's offer. He was among the best known and most distinguished scientists of his time. Condon's tenacious encounters with the House Unamerican Activities Committee and other government Loyalty Boards in the 1940s and 1950s made him "almost legendary" among fellow scientists. On Condon's behalf, Robert J. Low, an assistant dean of the university's graduate program, explored faculty reaction to the proposed project and found it mixed and wary. He also tried to reassure those who found the enterprise unworthy of scientific investigation. Low told the Denver Post that the project had met the University's acceptance threshold by the narrowest of margins and was accepted largely because it was difficult to say no to the Air Force. Some have suggested that finances were factor in Colorado's decision to accept the Air Force's offer of $313,000 for the project. Condon dismissed this suggestion, noting that $313,000 was a rather modest budget for an undertaking scheduled to last more than a year with a staff of over a dozen.

On October 6, 1966, the University of Colorado agreed to undertake the UFO study, with Condon as director, Low as coordinator, and Saunders and astronomer Franklin E. Roach as co-principal investigators. The Air Force announced its selection of Condon and the University of Colorado in October 1966. Other Committee members included astronomer William K. Hartmann; psychologists Michael Wertheimer, Dan Culbertson and James Wadsworth, a graduate student; chemist Roy Craig; electrical engineer Norman Levine and physicist Frederick Ayer. Several other scientists or experts served in part-time and temporary roles or as consultants. Public response to the Committee's announcement was generally positive

When the Project was announced, The Nation, commented: "If Dr. Condon and his associates come up with anything less than the little green men from Mars, they will be crucified."

Committee work
In November 1966, retired USMC Major Donald Keyhoe and Richard H. Hall, both of NICAP, briefed the panel. They agreed to share NICAP's research files and to improve the collection of UFO reports. The Committee also secured help from APRO, another civilian UFO research group. The Committee moved slowly, hampered by disagreements about the use of funds and methodology. By hiring people with no prior position on UFOs, the Committee staff lacked expertise and subject matter expertise. As they began their analyses, Committee members usually worked without coordination with one another. Individuals embraced diverse approaches, especially with respect to the extraterrestrial hypothesis (ETH).

In late January 1967, Condon stated in a lecture that he thought the government should not study UFOs because the subject was 'nonsense', adding, "but I'm not supposed to reach that conclusion for another year." One NICAP member resigned from NICAP in protest and Saunders confronted Condon to express his concern that NICAP's withdrawal would eliminate a valuable source of case files and produce damaging publicity.

Low memo controversy
In July 1967, James E. McDonald, a confirmed believer in the validity of UFO sightings, learned from a Committee member about a memo Low had written on August 9, 1966, in which he reassured two University of Colorado administrators that they could expect the study to demonstrate that UFO observations had no basis in reality. McDonald, after locating a copy of the memo in the project's open files, wrote to Condon, quoting a few lines from it.

In response to the memo, on April 30, 1968, NICAP severed its ties with the Committee and Keyhoe circulated copies of Low's memo. Press coverage included an article in the May 1968 issue of Look, "Flying Saucer Fiasco", that presented interviews with Saunders and Levine, detailed the controversy, and described the project as a "$500,000 trick." Condon responded that the article contained "falsehoods and misrepresentations." Scientific and technical journals reported the controversy. Representative J. Edward Roush said the Look article raised "grave doubts as to the scientific profundity and objectivity of the project." He held a hearing dominated by critics of the Project. Low resigned from the Project in May 1968.

Some later critics of the Committee's work saw little reason to make much of the memo. Committee member David Saunders wrote that "to present Low as a plotter or conspirator is unfair and hardly accurate." Project investigator Roy Craig's later wrote that the memo did not trouble him because Condon had not known of the Low memo for eighteen months and it did not reflect his views. Condon wrote in the Project's Final Report that the memo's description of the Project as emphasizing the "psychology and sociology" of those who report UFO sightings showed how completely Low misunderstood the Project when he wrote the memo.

Final months
Despite the withdrawal of NICAP from the Project, members of its Early Warning Network continued to report sightings to the investigators, as did journalists.

Scientists who anticipated the Committee would recommend against continued government UFO research rushed their own refutation into print in advance of the Committee's Final Report. Called UFO's? Yes! and written by Saunders, it questioned whether the CIA wanted to divert public attention from UFOs. It used three cases to make the case for extraterrestrial activity. Project investigator Roy Craig later described each of the cases as "utter nonsense," "highly suspect," and unexplained but very weak.

Committee Report
The Committee delivered its Report to the Air Force in November 1968, which released it in January 1969. The Report, 1,485 pages in hardcover and 965 pages in paperback, divided UFO cases into five categories: old UFO reports from before the Committee convened, new reports, photographic cases, radar/visual cases, and UFOs reported by astronauts. Some UFO cases fell into multiple categories. Condon authored 6 pages of "conclusions and recommendations," a 43-page "summary," and a 50-page history of UFO phenomena and research over the preceding twenty years.

In his introductory "Conclusions and Recommendations", Condon wrote: "Our general conclusion is that nothing has come from the study of UFOs in the past 21 years that has added to scientific knowledge. Careful consideration of the record as it is available to us leads us to conclude that further extensive study of UFOs probably cannot be justified in the expectation that science will be advanced thereby." He also recommended against the creation of a government program to investigate UFO reports. He also described the problem that confronts the scientific community, that each scientist must evaluate the record for himself, and that the Report's recommendation against further research "may not be true for all time." He advised that government agencies and private foundations "ought to be willing to consider UFO research proposals...on an open-minded, unprejudiced basis....[E]ach individual case ought to be carefully considered on its own merits." In particular, the Report noted that there were gaps in scientific knowledge in the fields of "atmospheric optics, including radio wave propagation, and of atmospheric electricity" that might benefit from further research in the UFO field.

The Report detailed 59 case studies, though for legal reasons their locations were changed. New York Times science editor Walter Sullivan, in his introduction to the published version of the Report, said the series "reads like a modern, real-life collection of Sherlock Holmes episodes. The cases range from the eerily perplexing to the preposterously naive. The reader is given a taste of scientific method, even though the cases are often such that they defy anything approaching deductive analysis." Six chapters covered field studies of such physical evidence as electromagnetic effects, and visual and radar images. One treated the observations of U.S. astronauts.

Notably in Case 02 in Section IV, Chapter 2 the report said of the 1956 Lakenheath-Bentwaters incident: "In conclusion, although conventional or natural explanations certainly cannot be ruled out, the probability of such seems low in this case and the probability that at least one genuine UFO was involved appears to be fairly high."

Even before its completion, the Air Force had asked the National Academy of Sciences to "provide an independent assessment of the scope, the methodology, and the findings" of the Committee. A panel chaired by Yale astronomer Gerald M. Clemence studied the Report for six weeks and concluded that "on the basis of present knowledge the least likely explanation of UFOs is the hypothesis of extraterrestrial visitations by intelligent beings" and that "no high priority in UFO investigations is warranted by data of the past two decades."

In response to the Report's findings, the Air Force closed Project Blue Book, established in March 1952, on December 17, 1969.

Assessments
The Report earned a mixed reception from scientists and academic journals, while receiving "almost universal praise from the news media". Many newspapers, magazines and journals which published approving reviews or editorials related to the Condon Report. Some compared any continued belief in UFOs with the belief that the earth is flat. Others predicted that interest in UFOs would wane and in a few generations be only dimly remembered. Science, the official publication of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, said "The Colorado Study is unquestionably the most thorough and sophisticated investigation of the nebulous UFO phenomenon ever conducted."

The March 8, 1969 issue of Nature offered a generally positive review for the Condon Report, but wondered why so much effort had been expended on such a subject: "The Colorado project is a monumental achievement, but one of perhaps misapplied ingenuity. It would doubtless be inapt to compare it with earlier centuries' attempts to calculate how many angels could balance on the point of a pin; it is more like taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut, except that the nuts will be quite immune to its impact." On January 8, 1969, the New York Times headlined its coverage: "U.F.O. Finding: No Visits From Afar." The article said the project's final report on U.F.O.s "has uncovered no evidence that they are intelligently guided spacecraft from beyond the earth."

Critics made their case repeatedly without obtaining the government support they sought. One described the Report as "a rather unorganized compilation of independent articles on disparate subjects, a minority of which dealt with UFOs." Hynek described the Report as "a voluminous, rambling, poorly organized" and wrote that "less than half...was addressed to the investigation of UFO reports." In the April 14, 1969 issue of Scientific Research, Robert L. M. Baker, Jr. wrote that the Condon Committee's Report "seems to justify scientific investigation along many general and specialized frontiers." In the December 1969 issue of Physics Today, Committee consultant Gerald Rothberg wrote that he had thoroughly investigated about 100 UFO cases, three or four of which left him puzzled. He thought that this "residue of unexplained reports [indicated a] legitimate scientific controversy." Critics charged that Condon's case summaries were inaccurate or misleading with enigmatic reports "buried" among the confirmed cases.

In December 1969, physicist James E. McDonald called the Report "inadequate" and said "it represents an examination of only a tiny fraction of the most puzzling UFO reports of the past two decades, and that its level of scientific argumentation is wholly unsatisfactory." In a 1969 issue of the American Journal of Physics, astronomer Thornton Page (who thought the phenomenon had a sociological basis) wrote of the report: "Intelligent laymen can (and do) point out the logical flaw in Condon's conclusion based on a statistically small (and selected) sample, Even in this sample a consistent pattern can be recognized; it is ignored by the 'authorities,' who then compound their 'felony' by recommending that no further observational data be collected."

In November 1970, the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics generally agreed with Condon's suggestion that little of value had been uncovered by scientific UFO studies, but "did not find a basis in the report for [Condon's] prediction that nothing of scientific value will come of further studies."

Principal critics
Astronomer J. Allen Hynek wrote that "The Condon Report settled nothing." He called Condon's introduction "singularly slanted" and wrote that it "avoided mentioning that there was embedded within the bowels of the report a remaining mystery; that the committee had been unable to furnish adequate explanations for more than a quarter of the cases examined." Hynek contended that "Condon did not understand the nature and scope of the problem" he was studying and objected to the idea that only extraterrestrial life could explain UFO activity. By focusing on this hypothesis, he wrote, the Report "did not try to establish whether UFOs really constituted a problem for the scientist, whether physical or social."

Astrophysicist Peter A. Sturrock wrote that "critical reviews...came from scientists who had actually carried out research in the UFO area, while the laudatory reviews came from scientists who had not carried out such research." As an example, Sturrock noted a case in which an allegedly supersonic UFO did not produce a sonic boom. He notes that "we should not assume that a more advanced civilization could not find some way at traveling with supersonic speeds without producing a sonic boom."

External links and Sources

 * Condon Report online (pdf)

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Hades (disambiguation)

Hades in the ancient Greek religion and myth, is the god of the dead and the king of the underworld, with which his name became synonymous.

Hades may also refer to:

Fictional entities

 * Hades (DC Comics)
 * Hades (Marvel Comics)
 * Hades (Disney)
 * Hades (Saint Seiya)
 * Hades (Kid Icarus)
 * Gray Waste, or Hades, a plane of existence in Dungeons and Dragons

Music

 * Hades Almighty, originally Hades, a Norwegian black metal band
 * Hades (single album), by VIXX, 2016
 * "Hades", a song by Crystal Lake from the 2015 album The Sign
 * "Hades", a song by Kalmah from the 2000 album Swamplord
 * "Hades", a song by Turmion Kätilöt from the 2008 album U.S.C.H!
 * "Hades", a song by Bushido, 2018
 * Hades: The Other World, a 2014 album by Yōsei Teikoku

Film and television

 * Hades (film), a 1995 German drama film
 * Escape Plan 2: Hades, 2018 American film

Video games

 * Hades (video game), a 2020 video game by Supergiant Games
 * Hades II, an upcoming video game by Supergiant Games

Other

 * "Hades" (Ulysses episode), in James Joyce's novel
 * Hadestown, a musical by Anaïs Mitchell

Other uses

 * Hadès, a French nuclear ballistic missile system
 * Hades (horse), a New Zealand Thoroughbred racehorse
 * Hades (imprint), an imprint of the former publisher Verlag Harri Deutsch
 * Hades (moon), a 1955–1975 informal name for Jupiter IX, now called Sinope
 * HADES (software), a signal processing system
 * Hades Publications, a Canadian science fiction and fantasy publisher
 * Arch Hades (born 1992), a British poet
 * Lena Hades (born 1959), a Russian artist

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Talk:Don't Panic (Coldplay song)

Origin of the name
does the name of the song actually came from hitchhiker's? the cited reference only speculates "the title...is likely lifted from British mock sci-fi classic The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, despite the fact that the song has nothing to do with it". Does anyone knows if this information has been confirmed by coldplay?--Chnt (talk) 02:34, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Best to leave it out entirely if a link can't be cited. The term "don't panic" existed long before "Hitchhiker's" and is no doubt used by people unaware of the book/movie's existence. In fact, as it stands it's nothing but Original Research, which is not allowed in Wikipedia. As such I've removed it, but if someone finds a quote from the band they may re-add it.

 * In fact, the origin of the name suggests it ISN'T named after the book in Adams' novel. HelpnWP (talk) 00:09, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Agree--Chnt (talk) 23:44, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

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Northern Quarter (Manchester)

The Northern Quarter (N4 or NQ ) is an area of Manchester city centre, England, between Piccadilly station, Victoria station and Ancoats, centred on Oldham Street, just off Piccadilly Gardens. It was defined and named in the 1990s as part of the regeneration and gentrification of Manchester.

A centre of alternative and bohemian culture, the area includes Newton Street (borders with Piccadilly Basin), Great Ancoats Street (borders with Ancoats), Back Piccadilly (borders with Piccadilly Gardens) and Swan Street/High Street (borders with Shudehill/Arndale). Popular streets include Oldham Street, Tib Street, Newton Street, Lever Street, Dale Street, Hilton Street and Thomas Street.

Early history
Although the town of Manchester existed from medieval times (and had previously been the site of a Roman settlement), the area now designated as the Northern Quarter was not fully developed until the late 18th century.

The area now between Shudehill and Victoria Station was first built upon in the 14th century, as the village of Manchester expanded as a local centre for the wool trade. The expansion of the area was gradual up to the mid-18th century, when Manchester markedly increased in size and significance with the onset of the Industrial Revolution.

During the Industrial Revolution
In the early 18th century, Oldham Street was apparently "an ill-kept muddy lane, held in place on one of its sides by wild hedgerows". The first town directory of Manchester, published in 1772, lists a number of buildings on Tib Street and Oldham Street. By the time of a map by William Green in 1794, the whole of the Northern Quarter is shown as a developed urban district.

It might be supposed that Oldham Street is so named because it links to Oldham Road but this is not the case as Oldham Street predates Oldham Road which was named Newton Lane in the 18th century. Oldham Street is probably so named because one of its first buildings was the house of Adam Oldham, a wealthy feltmaker and associate of John Wesley, who owned the land along which the street ran, and probably paid to have it surfaced for the first time.

John Wesley opened two Methodist chapels in the Northern Quarter. In 1751, a chapel was opened on Church Street (east of High Street at Birchin Lane, formerly Methodist Street). This was upgraded to a larger chapel on Adam Oldham's land in 1781, on the site that is now Methodist Central Hall. John Wesley performed the opening of the first chapel which stood until 1883.

In the 1780s the land owned by Sir Ashton Lever (bounded by Piccadilly, Port Street, Great Ancoats Street and Oldham Street) was sold to William Stevenson. Sir Ashton died by suicide in 1788 and Stevenson began selling off plots of land; according to Thomas Swindells the buyers' names were used to name the streets which were made at that time such as Hilton Street and Houldsworth Street and the new square was given the name of Stevenson. Manchester's first cotton mill was opened by Richard Arkwright in 1783, on Miller Street, near the junction with Shudehill. By 1816, there were 86 mills in the central area of Manchester, and by 1853 there were 108.

By the 1840s, the Northern Quarter was at the centre of one of the most significant economic changes in history, with the Industrial Revolution at full pace and Manchester taking its place as the world capital of the textile industry. In common with the town as a whole, the area became characterised by both wealth and poverty.

The area around Withy Grove and Shudehill is described by Friedrich Engels in The Condition of the Working Class in England as insanitary and down at heel, but markedly more ordered than the area around St Ann's Square, which is also described. Nevertheless, the houses are "dirty, old and tumble-down, and the construction of the side-streets utterly horrible". Engels also talks of "pigs walking about in the alleys, rooting in offal heaps".

The area around Oldham Street seems to have been more affluent, with warehouses and shops, many of whose merchants lived within their shop premises. This is described by Isabella Varley, Mrs. Linnaeus Banks, a resident of Oldham Street, in her book The Manchester Man.

One Oldham Street shopowner mentioned by a number of writers is Abel Heywood, who spearheaded the mass distribution of books, supplying the whole country not only with penny novels, but also with educational books and political pamphlets, according to an article in the Morning Chronicle in 1849. Heywood also produced a newspaper, on which he refused to pay duty — a radical gesture, since in those early days of the British Labour Movement, taxes were used to stifle free expression. Heywood went on to become Mayor of Manchester.

The Victorian era
Enterprise continued to be the focus of the area through the Victorian age. James Middleton notes that at this time "business was conducted on the old-fashioned lines by people who had been in the street for a long time". Middleton also describes Tib Street as "a perfectly adorable street, where natural history was taught by living examples...birds, dogs, rabbits, poultry displayed in the windows or outside the shops", a tradition which continued for at least a hundred years, having only recently died out with the closing of the last surviving pet shops.

Modern writer Dave Haslam notes something of the birth of the modern Saturday night in the Northern Quarter at this time with "crowds of shoppers and sightseers...most shops were open and the main streets were lit up and packed...there was the added incentive that at midnight the food became cheaper...on a single day in 1870 it was estimated that up to 20,000 people went to Shudehill".

Throughout the Victorian era, Stevenson Square and parts of Oldham Street were known for frequent political speeches and public debates. Haslam notes that a debate in the 1830s between one Dr Grinrod, a temperance activist, and Mr Youil, a brewer, attracted around three thousand spectators.

Early 20th century
The development of Smithfield Market and the continued growth of the cotton industry helped to foster economic activity in the Northern Quarter into the 20th century. Middleton describes an area buzzing with hawkers and processions.

Youth culture was the next development in the area that might be recognised today. A street dancing culture emerged in the early part of the 20th century, with "dozens of young people performing polkas, waltzes and schottisches to music provided by Italian organ-grinders".

The cotton trade reached its peak in 1912, when 8 billion square yards (6,700 km2) of fabric were manufactured and sold from Manchester. Following the First World War, the high cost of British cotton, and the increase in production elsewhere in the world, led to a slow decline of the British cotton industry. In the 1960s and 1970s, mills were closing in Manchester and the rest of Lancashire at a rate of almost one a week, and by the 1980s only specialised textile production remained, although clothing manufacture and the wholesale trade continue to form a strong part of Manchester's economy.

Later 20th century
Following the Second World War, attention focused away from the Northern Quarter as Manchester began to build itself a modern city centre in the ruins left by German bombers. As a commercial area, Oldham Street became quieter, particularly as nearby Market Street and the Arndale Centre grew in importance.

In the 1970s and 1980s the Smithfield Gardens housing estate was constructed to the west of Tib Street and the south of Foundry Lane. The estate consists of two-storey maisonettes in three-storey blocks - the middle storey is divided and provides the upper floor for the lower maisonette and the lower floor for the upper maisonette. This was the first modern residential development in the Northern Quarter.

Between the Second World War and the 1990s, the Northern Quarter was not considered to be a residential area, but since then, some of the old industrial and warehouse buildings in the area were converted into flats, as part of a wider trend for living in city centres. Although no official figures are kept (the Northern Quarter is not recognised for administrative purposes), it might be estimated that a little over 500 people now live in the area, which is split between the city centre and Ancoats and Clayton wards.

Over time, certain types of business were attracted to the area, which offered low rents and an alternative feel to the typical British high street. This became the main strength of the Northern Quarter — today it is known for hip, independent stores, cafes and bars, and for offering a distinct alternative to the shopping experiences to be found elsewhere in Manchester city centre.

For Dave Haslam, the Northern Quarter became the last refuge of the Manchester music scene in the 1990s: "A community, of sorts, had developed around music-makers wedded to experimentalism, from Andy Votel to Waiwan, nurtured at club nights such as Graham Massey's Toolshed and Mark Rae's Counter Culture ... In 1992, Frank Schofield and Martin Price (of 808 State) had lamented the fate of the independent record shop, yet within five years there were several new record shops in the Northern Quarter".

Present
The Northern Quarter is popular today for its numerous bars and cafes, as well as its mix of music and clothes shops. Amongst these is Affleck's Palace, a former department store which has been turned into a multi-storey bazaar for alternative clothing and knick-knacks.

Meanwhile, the area is something of a mecca for DJs, with shops such as Piccadilly Records, Vinyl Exchange, Vox Pop Records, Beatin' Rhythm, Vinyl Resting Place, Eastern Bloc Records (formerly owned by Martin Price of 808 State, then by Pete Waterman) and, until 2009, Fat City Records (formerly run by Mark Rae).

Nightlife in the Northern Quarter includes music venues. The area is also well known for its bar scene.

The area is also known as a home to the creative industries, and in particular fashion design, with various designers, agencies, and clothing wholesalers populating its back streets. There are also a number of commercial art galleries in the area and street art is on prominent display. In Stevenson Square, the street level remains of a former public convenience are used by the OuthouseMCR organisation for regularly changing examples of street and graffiti art. OuthouseMCR also manages the urban art which decorates an electrical sub-station on Tib Street. On one wall of the sub-station, protected by Perspex, is said to be a painting by the artist Banksy. The Northern Quarter also hosted the Big Horn sculpture, which was removed in 2017 to make way for the new SyNQ residential development, but is hoped to be erected again on nearby Afflecks Palace once work is completed.

Additionally, due to the area's architecture, the Northern Quarter is regularly used as a film and TV location. The area is often used as a double for New York and has appeared as Manhattan in the 2004 film Alfie, and the 2019 production Morbius. While the area around Dale Street has been used as 1940s New York for the 2011 Hollywood superhero film Captain America: The First Avenger, the 2019 Sky TV production of Das Boot. and also for the Netflix TV show, Peaky Blinders, a British period crime drama. Additionally, various parts of Manchester, many in the Northern Quarter, were used in filming Guy Ritchie's 2009 film Sherlock Holmes.

Manchester City Council have recognised the unique nature of the Northern Quarter. A 2003 planning document stated: "The Northern Quarter (N4) is strategically placed between the main Manchester retail and commercial core, Piccadilly Gateway, Ancoats and Shudehill. It represents a key piece in the city centre jigsaw, an area different in character and function to any other part of the city centre and of great strategic importance to Manchester as a city of distinctive quarters."

In November 2010 the area was awarded the Great Neighbourhood of the Year Award 2011 for Britain and Ireland at the Academy of Urbanism Awards in London.

Piccadilly Basin
Piccadilly Basin, on the Rochdale Canal, is a redeveloped area between Manchester Piccadilly station and Great Ancoats Street. The area includes flats and offices as well as bars.

Shudehill redevelopment
Another area of redevelopment in the Northern Quarter is a mixed office and residential development centred on the old market on Shudehill near to the new Shudehill bus and tram interchange.

In popular culture

 * Manchester band Kid British released an EP in 2011 titled Northern Stories. Two of the tracks are "Northern Quarter" and "Tib Street".
 * The area doubled for New York City during filming for the film Morbius (2022) a film set in Sony's Spider-Man Universe based the  Marvel comic book character Morbius, the Living Vampire.
 * In November 2023, fashion house Chanel hosted a runway show on the streets of the Northern Quarter. The event launched the winter 2024 collection, inspired by Manchester and the Northern Quarter.

Notable people

 * Abel Heywood, publisher and alderman of the City
 * John Owens, cotton merchant

title: Northern Quarter (Manchester)