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May 20, 2008 The example of using the Award Star for subsequent Achievement medals is in direct contradiction to the Wikipedia Achievement Medal page, which indicates the use of Oak leaf Clusters for subsequent awards. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achievement_Medal —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steveo1544 (talk • contribs) 21:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

September 01, 2005 Is there a difference between a service star and an award star? They appear to be referring to the identical thing. Anyone able to clear this up and/or fix? -unsigned anon user —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.146.237.163 (talk • contribs) 01:11, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Answered over on the service star article. -Husnock 03:14, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Joint Meritorious Unit Award (JMUA)
Hello, YahwehSaves. I noticed you reverted my removal of the JMUA with a citation to DoDM 1348.33 Vol 3 after I cited DoDM 1348.33 Vol 1, which only lists the OLC as the device for annotating subsequent awards of the JMUA on pages 57 & 58. Sure enough, I can see on page 53 of Vol 3 that the JMUA is listed at the tail end - much to my surprise, as it seems to contradict Vol 1. I didn't expect to see that, and the chart on page 50 of Vol 3 lists only the OLC as an authorized device for the JMUA, another contradiction in the same directive manual. This made me turn to Chapter 5 of the Navy implementation regulation; on page 5-46, it authorizes the wear of Oak Leaf Clusters for the JMUA, but not stars. This would lead me to believe that although page 53 of the DoD Manual appears to authorize it, the Navy chooses not to in its implementation. Do you agree with this interpretation, or do you have a different explanation? Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 00:49, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

 * JMUA (P. 53, in order of U.S. Military Award precedence) is authorized 5/16 Inch Stars in the 2010 DoD Manual 1348.33 (Vol. 3, Page 49--"The devices that have been authorized for wear on the service and suspension ribbons of Defense/Joint awards and the DoD-wide awards are described in this section" --> Page 50-51 (P. 50, 2, "13" is missing?), Page 52-53 (oak leaf clusters and 5/16 inch stars), "(13) JMUA". Looks to me that "13" (P. 51, see "13." in box) was accidently omitted from P. 50?:
 * Vol. 1 Manual of Military Decorations and Awards: General Information, Medal of Honor and, and Defense/Joint Decorations and Awards
 * Vol. 2 Manual of Military Decorations and Awards. DoD Service Awards
 * Vol. 3 Manual of Military Decorations and Awards: DoD-Wide Performance and Valor Awards

 * Its been known the Army & Air Force use oak leaf clusters and the Navy, Marines, and Coast Guard use the 5/16 inch stars. The DoD made a major change in 2010 with a new manual (then added some changes or corrections in 2011 in Vol. 1; more changes coming?). The "Navy 5-46" you referred to is outdated (2003) and refers to oak leaf clusters and also "5/16 inch stars" for the JMUA as attachments (currently, devices). It also adds 3/16" stars to the PUC when currently the PUC adds 5/16" stars. I assume if a sailor or Marine was attached to an Army unit and got a 2nd JMUA award serving with them, then he would have an authorized OLC to show that (?). The current DoD award info takes priority over Navy award info which would have to go along with the DoD's info. A review of what exactly a JMUA is may help in this matter. Its not one of the common awards a person got. I added info to the Articles Introduction and Information sections to help. YahwehSaves (talk) 02:19, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Simply stated: yes, DoDM 1348.33 Vol 3 contradicts itself. Table 1 reflects the only authorized device is the Oak Leaf Cluster. However paragraph d. of section 14 states the Service Star is also authorized. In concert with the former,Navy Uniform Regulation, Chapter 5, Section 16 authorizes oak leaf clusters but not service stars. The next step would be to find out if the DoD regulation made a mistake before officially stating the authorized wear of the Award Star. Bullmoosebell (talk) 08:45, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

 * I think the former should repond (HAVE RESPONDED FIRST) to me since he purposely in good faith asked me if I agree with him and its propler to see what he has to say before you start interfering and changing things w/o good faith because you feel like it. Navy 5-46 is out dated which you chose to ignore. Current Navy-Marine Manual is SECNAVINST 1650.1H, 2006. The DoD Manaul 2010 is set up for all the military awards manauls for referencing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves (talk • contribs) 09:06, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

We're all here to improve Wikipedia, and sorting out these kinds of items can be confusing. Let's all WP:AGF. I didn't know there was an updated Navy-Marine manual, so I went and took a quick look at it just now. You can find a copy of SECNAVINST 1650.1H here. On page 1-10, paragraph 123, subsection 3b, we find the following (italics added for emphasis):

Hence, I believe we've found our answer. Although the DoD is the higher authority over the individual service departments, it is left to the service departments to decide how to implement the DoD directives, and at present, the Navy and Marine Corps implementation directs that USN and USMC personnel will wear oak leaf clusters on Defense medals and the JMUA. As an aside, I also know this from personal observation having been in a joint unit when a JMUA was awarded. Unless anyone has any further points they'd like to raise or bring up, we should probably close this out by amending the sentence "They are not issued for service medals, which receive service stars." to read "They are not issued for service medals, which receive service stars, nor are they issued for Department of Defense medals, for which all service members receive oak leaf clusters." Further, we should strike the following medals from the article's list:  Defense Distinguished Service Medal, Defense Superior Service Medal, Defense Meritorious Service Medal, Joint Service Commendation Medal, and Joint Service Achievement Medal. Sound good? AzureCitizen (talk) 15:13, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

 * I like it. Make it happen. Bullmoosebell (talk) 21:07, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

 * AzureCitizen, I found that prior to 1998 the Coast Guard used the 5/16" gold stars not the OLC. And it is still authorized for use by those individuals instead of the OLC. Why didn't/don't you use (you quoted from 2006 nave/Marine manual) the DoD OLC... info (?) I gave for Article introductions...information instead of you guys following and carelessly deleting what I do from the DoD manual which has instituted the DoD Military Awards Program (DoD 1348.33 V1-3) in effect since 2010 for the current definitions and titles since the military departments (DoD Components) were varing too long and too much (example, now "V" Device). DoD Defense/Joint Decorations and Awards apply to DoD Defense Decorations and awards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves (talk • contribs)

 * Hmmmmm, I thought we'd straightened this out and resolved the matter but now it sounds like you still disagree. Perhaps you can try to elaborate on what you're trying to say and frame your argument a bit more clearly.  It seems to me that regardless of DoDM 1348.33 Vol 3's contradictory information (chart on page 50 versus list on page 53), which also does not square with DoDM 1348.33 Vol 1's page 57 and 58 which only authorizes the oak leaf cluster, this is a moot point because the Navy's implementation clearly tells sailors and marines that they will wear oak leaf clusters on "all defense decorations" and the Joint Meritorious Unit Award.  Unless that SECNAVINST changes, it's definitive, even if DoDM 1348.33 has a contradictory entry in it (page 53 of Vol 3) which seems to be an error given what we know about Vol 3 page 50 and Vol 1 pages 57-58.  Maybe someday the SECNAVINST will change, but it hasn't yet.  If you still disagree, please make your points a bit more clear while also addressing the above.  Thanks, AzureCitizen (talk) 14:07, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You mean you thought you straightened this out making an argument instead of a disagreement now. The DoD boxed in #2 and not #13, 5/16" ribbon devices (not award device or awarded which you changed in Article) for the JMUA and the other defense awards for thier reason (not a mistake) but has the 5/16" star still authorized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves (talk • contribs)
 * You seem to be continuing to say that because Vol 3 says on page 56 that the 5/16" inch star is authorized for the JMUA, it's authorized. Again, in response, Vol 3 page 50 contradicts that, as well as Vol 1 which only authorizes the OLC, and the SECNAVINST which says that sailors and marines will wear oak leaf clusters on all defense decorations and JMUA's.  In my opinion, if you're in the Navy or the Marine Corps, and you have multiple JMUA's, you are obliged to follow your service departments implementation of the DoD manuals (SECNAVINST 1650.1H) and wear oak leaf clusters, not 5/16 inch stars. AzureCitizen (talk) 20:11, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * DoD 1348.33, Vol 1, doesn't cover it all for the 5/16 inch star. Vol. 3 (P49-53), completes the authorized info for this device. I agree with Vol. 1 and Vol. 3 (Table 1, P. 50) which omitts all the 5/16 inch star devices for the other DoD awards there besides the JMUA. I also agree with Vol. 3, P. 53 (P.49/53) which includes the 5/16 inch stars for the other DoD awards there besides the JMUA unit award (no medal). I found the 5/16 inch star for the JMUA (formerly the DoD Meritorious Unit Award) was/is authorized for the Coast Guard prior to 1998. The Vol. 3, P. 53 information seems to indicate the 5/16 inch star was also authorized (and still authorized) previously for the other DoD awards listed there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves (talk • contribs)
 * I'm not really sure that we can infer that Vol. 3, page 53 was intended to indicate the 5/16 inch star is actually still authorized... frankly, it still just seems more like an inconsistency to me. Nonetheless, if 5/16 inch stars were authorized for the Coast Guard until 1998, we can work with that if we want to find a way to explain that in the article.  In theory, if a reader comes to this page and reads up on the 5/16 inch star device, we want them to know what the current guidance is on the item's proper wear, but we could certainly add a subsection below the medal list that explains historical changes, with a sentence or two about the Coast Guard having regulations that directed the wear of 5/16 inch service stars on certain medals until 1998.  We should probably start by finding a source (we only need one) that corroborates that.  Do you recall where you remember reading it? AzureCitizen (talk) 15:14, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * DoD 1348.33-M, September, 1996: Chapter 10, C10.1.1., P. 87: "The Oak Leaf Cluster is worn on the service and suspension ribbon of all Defense decorations and the JMUA (with the exception of the Coast Guard)." I had found a site (can't locate) for the JMUA ("formerly the DoD MUA") that said the 5/16 inch stars were authorized before 1998 for the Coast Guard and still authorized for those that had received the 5/16 inch star for the JMUA before 1998. They are entitled to the authorized OLC anytime after 1998 as an availble option to them. This would more or less justify DoDM 1348.33 Vol. 3, P. 52--53 ("49"--53), the 5/16 inch star for all the DoD decorations and the JMUA (P. 53) as its listed there wouldn't it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves / 75.79.31.20 (talk • contribs)
 * I'm still thinking that P. 53 of Vol 3 is a mistake (clerical error), otherwise the other locations in the Volumes would reflect similar information (i.e., we wouldn't be seeing Vol 1 explicitly stating that the OLC is the authorized device for subsequent awards of the JMUA with no reference to the 5/16 inch star), and the Navy/Marine manual continues to be pretty clear on the subject. Furthermore, even if the Coast Guard authorized personnel to wear 5/16 inch stars on the JMUA prior to 1998, the current Coast Guard Instruction Manual 1650.25D (dated May 2008) indicates on page 1-16 that oak leaf clusters are worn on joint awards... hence, if you were in the Coast Guard and had one prior to 1998, and were subsequently still in today, you'd have to swap your stars out for OLC's, right?  Nonetheless, we could still say something about it in the article for historical context if we could find a reference that at least documents that prior to 1998, 5/16 inch stars were authorized for JMUA's for Coast Guard personnel.  Your thoughts? AzureCitizen (talk) 03:11, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

If there were no indents the talk column would be shorter. The missing ref page I referenced... those awarded the JMUA award (was originally a DoD award) with the 5/16 inch star attachment prior to 1998 can still keep/wear the 5/16 inch gold star attachment (DoDM (2010-11) V3, p 49/52-53). They are eligible for the OLC since 1998, they don't "have" to get/wear the OLC. N&M 1650.1H is 2006. You can at least add the Vol. 3&DoDM 1996 info to the 5/16 inch star article if you like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves (talk • contribs)
 * I'm thinking it would be best to find a reference saying Coast Guard personnel were awarded the star prior to 1998, then add a historical statement after the list of medals to explain it. AzureCitizen (talk) 21:01, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Award Star --> 5/16 Inch Star
Okay, fellow editors, I had a bit of an epiphany when looking at the current DoDM 1348.33-V3 and SECNAVINST 1650.1H again and realized that these devices aren't officially called "award stars", they are actually referred to as "5/16 inch stars" in the former and just "stars" in the latter... so I got WP:BOLD and moved the article accordingly. This way, the article for the device is actually listed under its correct name... and if a reader searches for "award star", there is a redirect that will still bring them here. Good move, or bad move? Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 00:25, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * None of the manuals I don't think use the title award star or awards device yet you now promote that the 5/16" star is awarded ("awarded by and awarded for"). Please explain that. I had it is a "ribbon device" (Article introduction) from the manual and defined it correctly there using the manual's words. Improving the article(s) seems to mean mostly deletion (others personal preferences) I see now in favor of confusion (so much against the DoD Manual). You refer (prefer)to decorations and medals for a 5/16 inch star (your awarded award device) w/o giving what medals that are not decorations get a 5/16" star? — Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves (talk • contribs)
 * Can't really make out what you're driving at here. Yes, none of the manuals use the term "award star", while it is referred to in the regulations as a "5/16 inch star".  What is it exactly that you're seeking to be "explained" there? AzureCitizen (talk) 20:16, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The Article here has a photo box of the two 5/16" stars - "awarded by, awarded for, currently awarded" when none of the manuals say its awarded or an award. The "Award Device" Article needs correction and improvement too since its a ribbon device. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves (talk • contribs)
 * You're probably talking about the military award infobox template, which is more or less used globally on Wikipedia for military awards, medals, ribbons, devices, etc. There isn't a way to change that unless the template itself is changed, which will affect every article in which the template appears.  Personally, I'm not too concerned if the infobox on this article and other device articles say "Awarded by" or something similar, as we don't say anywhere in actual text of the article that a 5/16 inch star is an "award," instead we say it is an award device.  Maybe someone will get motivated someday and create a new, alternate, military award infobox, perhaps called an "award device infobox", which will have a template field for "Issued by" instead of "Awarded by"? Something to consider.  With regard to it being a "ribbon device", it's usually referred to as an award device because it's actually worn on both, i.e., worn on the suspension ribbons of actual awards plus the ribbon bars themselves. AzureCitizen (talk) 01:32, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You mean called an award device or an award's device. What about decoration device? Ribbon device seems the best to me and used that way now in the manual. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves (talk • contribs)
 * Taking a close look at Volume 1-3 of DoDM 1348.33, apparently the actual name is just "device"... the phrase "award device" appears once and the phrase "ribbon device" appears zero times. Funny, huh?  I will tweak the article accordingly in my next edit and reduce the two redundant sentences about the USA/USAF OLCs to a single sentence.  Good work on catching the other stuff. AzureCitizen (talk) 04:51, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I was looking for "ribbon devices" or "service ribbon devices" which sounds good to me since I saw it used somewhere. Tell me what page "award star" is on in the DoD manual? Its rare to find that term anywhere. The Navy and Marine current Manual uses Silver Star Medal (its on WW2, Korea, and Vietnam servicemens' award citations that way) and the DoD Manual V1&V3 uses Silver Star and Silver Star Medal a few times in different places. I put Silver Star "medal" here but you deleted it but that way is used common enough and improves what's said in the Article. They made it a Gold Star Medal though its not called that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves (talk • contribs)
 * "Award star" does not appear anywhere in DoDM 1348.33, hence the reason for moving the page from "award star" to "5/16 inch star" which does appear in DoDM1348.33. "Award device" appears only once, on page 16 of Vol 3.  Currently, the correct name of the medals are the "Silver Star" and the "Bronze Star Medal" (check out page 63 and 64 of Vol 1).  Then take note that on page 13 of Vol 1, they say "The Silver Star medal is the third highest valor decoration...", while references to the other medal use the words "the Bronze Star Medal".  Notice how with the Silver Star, the word "medal" is lowercase, while with the Bronze Star Medal, the "m" in medal is uppercase?  This is because they are using the word descriptively in the former and part of the actual medal name in the latter.  So, it's okay to use the word "medal" behind "Silver Star" if it's done in lowercase.  Note that in the corresponding Wikipedia article on the Silver Star, however, it always appears simply as the "Silver Star."  Nonetheless, its no big deal to me either way if we put "medal" (lowercase) after the text in this article.
 * Do you know how to use indents, and how to sign your comments? To use indents, just add colons (":") to the front of your postings to indent over for replying to a comment above what you're writing.  To sign your posts, just add four tildes ("~") at the very end and Wikipedia will sign your comment automatically. AzureCitizen (talk) 12:50, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * DoD 1348.33, Vol. 3, P. 16, "award device", is written only one time in the whole DoD Manual (Vol. 1-3), like you said. It is not in the other service award manuals I looked at. In this one time instance, the 5/16 inch star as an "award device" is used for the LOM decoration in reference that its not authorized for LOM medals awarded to foreign military personal. . The "Silver Star Medal" (authorized 1942) is in DoD Manual 1348.33, Vol. 1 (Table Figure 11, P. 60), Vol. 2 (Table 2, P. 70), Vol. 3 (Table 1/4, P. 50/73). How do you explain that? Navy/Marine 1650.1H uses the "Silver Star Medal" only. Both the "Silver Star" and "Bronze Star" ("Bronze Star Medal" is still offical name) names are nicknames for the authorized 1942 Silver Star Medal and Bronze Star Medal (also "Navy Cross" for the original "Navy Cross Medal" I beleive). DoD Manual Vol. 1, Fig. 12, P.63 says, "Silver Star, a gold star medal, 1 1/2 inches in circumscribing diameter with a laurel wreath..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves (talk • contribs)

To sign your posts, just add four tildes in a row at the very end before clicking "save page." If you want to see how your signature looks, just click "show preview" and you'll see how Wikipedia converts the four tildes into the signature. Give it a try! :) AzureCitizen (talk) 21:15, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I see the name I'm using (above in red) when I log in. I think you made a good move here relisting "5/16 inch star" (official name) instead of "Award star". Would you take a look and consider what to do about the "Valor device" article. Its officially named "V" Device (DoD Manual). My Article info for the V was from the DoD Manual 1348.33, V3 and it got deleted even though correct. Also See- Matt Urban, Talk > Valor device&Disruptive Edits. The "valor device" article isn't near correct as it should be and misleading ("known as the "V" device"). The "V" device is used as a combat distinguishing device (combat "V) by USN/USMC. The "V" attachment is not awarded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves (talk • contribs)
 * Conversation continued at the article Talk:Valor device for further discussion at that location... -- AzureCitizen (talk) 22:10, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

AzureCitizen, the one time mention of "subsequent award devices" (not "award device") is only in the 2010 DoD manual 1348.33, V3 (P. 16, (2) bottom): "Subsequent award devices are not authorized for wear on LOM medals awarded to foreign personnel". Since the LOM is a personal award, the term "subsequent award device" (not "award device") seems to apply only to personal awards (LOM) since "award device" or "subsequent award devices" is not mentioned for 3/16" star devices (sometimes used to denote subsequent awards) in any current award manual. There is no mention that a 5/16" or 3/16" star "may be awarded" or "Awarded for" in any manual. This article title had been, "Award Star" (implying its worn or used on personal awards) and was changed to the 5/16 inch star. "5/16 inch star" devise like oak leaf cluster device ("denotes a second or subsequent award"). DoD 1348. 33 V3, P. 1 (2) List of authorized "service devices" (Page 7, "V" device, 5/16 inch star...). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.79.31.20 (talk) 04:05, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Award Star Title
This really needs to be fixed. In everyday usage, the award devices are called "Gold stars" and "Silver Stars". for instance, if I have 3 Navy Achievement Medals, I would say, "I have a NAM with 2 gold stars". No one would walk around and say "I have a Navy Achievement Medal with 2 5/16 inch stars!" I'm not sure what the exact rules are on Wiki about this, i.e. use of terminology as depicted in regulations versus common speech and language, but the way the articles reads now, it just doesn't look right. -OberRanks (talk) 21:07, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * OberRanks, I have to agree with you. I think that WP:COMMONNAME would apply here, but finding a reliable source is the failing.  So that takes us back to the stilted language of a DoD manual, the only RS we know to use.  5/16 inch star seems obscure, so that begs the question what would you call these devices collectively, and is there a reliable source?  Being a Navy man you may be able to save us from ourselves by finding a good RS.  EricSerge (talk) 23:42, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Gang, I hope this is helpful. It is copied from the Awards Training Instruction used by the Military Personnel Records Center, specifically an appendix of the primary awards guide which deals with award devices and how they should be listed on Freedom of Information Act responses.
 * The sea services of the United States Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard use similar award devices to the Army and the Air Force with the exception that the sea services do NOT issue oak leaf clusters to denote multiple awards of a personal decoration (sea service members may still receive oak leaf clusters for defense department and cross service decorations from other branches of service). In place of oak leaf clusters, the sea services issue gold and silver award stars. A gold star is issued for the award of a second decoration while a silver star replaces five gold (which occurs at the sixth award, eleventh, and so on).

I've seen numerous FOIA responses from the NPRC office which use this terminology. I hope this may serve to provide at least one source for this. -OberRanks (talk) 17:25, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

usage
eeeer ...any chance we could get a section describing why these are awarded ..im finding the article is unclear on this point

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Everything in Transit is the debut studio album by American rock band Jack's Mannequin. Amid rising tensions within Something Corporate, the band went on a break; returning to his home in Orange County, California, frontman Andrew McMahon began working on a new project with producer Jim Wirt. Tracking commenced at 4th Street Studios in California, with additional recording done at other studios. Towards the end of the sessions, McMahon signed with major label Maverick Records; tracking was presumed finished in late 2004. McMahon began playing shows with Jack's Mannequin in early 2005; the group embarked on six-week tour, which coincided with the single release of "Holiday from Real".

With the recording and inclusion of "Dark Blue", the album was pushed back to early August. McMahon began suffering from chronic fatigue and laryngitis; in the following days, he was diagnosed with acute lymphoblastic leukemia. Over the next two months, McMahon was admitted to hospital, underwent two rounds of chemotherapy (in between which he contracted pneumonia), and had a bone marrow/stem-cell transplant from his sister Katie. "The Mixed Tape" was released as a single in mid-July; an animated music video was made later that month. After two delays, Everything in Transit was eventually released on August 23.

McMahon spent the next two months recovering at his parents' house before going in remission in October and played his first show since his diagnosis in December. He started promoting the album with a few late-night talk show appearances, before supporting O.A.R. on their US tour; "Dark Blue" was released as a radio single in June to coincide with the trek. They embarked on a headlining US trek in September and October, followed by a supporting slot for Panic! at the Disco on their US arena tour, which was promoted with the release of "La La Lie". Another headlining US tour followed in February and March 2007, leading to a performance at The Bamboozle festival.

Everything in Transit is a concept album centred around McMahon's return to California and the demise of a long-standing relationship. Removed from the musical style of Something Corporate, it is a pop rock and power pop record, influenced by pop albums from the 1960s and 1970s, specifically the Beach Boys' Pet Sounds (1966). Everything in Transit received a positive reception from critics, with a few praising McMahon's lyrics. It sold over 22,000 copies in its first week, charting at number 37 on the Billboard 200 as a result. As of August 2008, it had sold over 250,000 copies. Celebratory reissues were released on the album's 5th and 10th anniversaries; the latter was supported with a tour.

Background
In the early 2000s, Andrew McMahon was the frontman for pop punk act Something Corporate. He had recorded and toured with the band since high school, releasing three albums. As a result, he spent little time at home. During some downtime in December 2003, McMahon wrote "Locked Doors", a track that differed from the group's usual style. He recorded it himself in a studio, which he found an enlightening experience. McMahon tracked 17 demos at The Jungle Room, with most of their themes centered around his family and his upbringing. McMahon sent them to Something Corporate collaborator Jim Wirt, who singled out "Holiday for Real". The pair spent two days in a studio working on that and "Locked Doors". Something Corporate went on a co-headlining US tour with Yellowcard in March and April 2004 and supported the Offspring on an Australian tour in June. Unable to work together, the band members' relationships became strained. They discussed recording another album. Despite having a batch of songs already written, McMahon thought the idea sounded "terrifying". The group was also facing pressure from the music industry, and a number of things were disrupting the otherwise friendly atmosphere between band members. Concerned that a new album would feel forced, and they had reached the point of burning out, the band decided to take a break to recuperate.

After returning home to Orange County, McMahon spent some time with his friends and family, and frequented local eateries. McMahon wrote material on his Something Corporate touring piano that he had moved into his bedroom. He would often wake up in the middle of the night and write songs. McMahon and Wirt began working on a project ultimately titled Jack's Mannequin, with McMahon handling the writing, and the pair playing all the instruments. McMahon toyed with the idea of calling it The Mannequins, but was tired of bands beginning with "the". He got the word "mannequin" from a random conversation, and at the same time he had finished a song entitled "Dear Jack"; he joined the two names. McMahon threw himself into the project, claiming he worked harder on it than he did with Something Corporate. He rarely slept or ate, and was typically wasted for over half a day at a time. Within a few months, he stockpiled dozens of songs, which were influenced by Southern California's landscape and atmosphere. Though he had no plan to release the songs, he intended to record them.

Production
The main tracking occurred at 4th Street Studios in Santa Monica, California, with engineer CJ Eiriksson. McMahon financed the recording sessions with over $40,000 of his own funds, and co-produced the album with Wirt. Eiriksson and Neil Couser, who served as an additional engineer and engineered "La La Lie", handled Pro Tools. McMahon felt protective of the recording environment and was cautious about how many people were in the studio. He wanted to "do and say exactly what was on [his] mind", and only brought in people after the tracks were mostly completed. A few of McMahon's friends contributed to the recordings: Wirt (vocals, bass and guitar), Something Corporate guitarist Bobby Anderson (guitar), session musician Patrick Warren (organ, strings and arrangements) and Mötley Crüe member Tommy Lee (drums). During this time, McMahon did session work for Hidden in Plain View and Lee. McMahon heard through mutual business associates that Lee enjoyed North. One night Lee invited McMahon to work with him.

The drum tracks were made up of samples by Eiriksson, recorded by Scott Humphrey and Chris Baseford at The Chop Shop. When McMahon realized he need an actual drummer, Lee was brought in and tracked drums in a single day. The samples were then mixed with Lee's drums; Eiriksson and Jay McMillian also played drums during the sessions. Additional recording was done at three studios with extra engineers: Rock Central Studios with engineer Josey Alcantar; NRG Studios with Eiriksson and assistant engineer Dave Colvin; and Sound City Studios with assistant engineer Peter Martinez. Terry Wilson and Brian Coffman contributed to the recordings, the former playing sitar on "Kill the Messenger", and the latter with guitar on "MFEO" and "Into the Airwaves". After tracking six songs, McMahon felt it formed an entity separate from Something Corporate and became determined to release it.

McMahon was talking to manager, expressing concern that he didn't want to release the project with major label Geffen Records, who Something Corporate was signed to. His manager got him out of his contract with Geffen; the pair later met with two record labels. He approached major label Maverick Records three quarters of the way through the recording process and signed with them. They gave him a handheld video camera to videotape the remaining sessions intending to use clips for online promotion. Initially, he simply said what he intended to do in the studio on the given day, but it evolved into a dialogue on how his day went. After finishing the initial track listing, McMahon showed the album to his label. An A&R representative suggested adding one more song; instead, he went back and reworked the track listing, adding two songs in the process: "La La Lie" and "Into the Airwaves". Apart from a brief two-week tour with Something Corporate in November 2004, recording was reportedly finished in December, until "Dark Blue" was recorded in May 2005. The recordings were then mixed by Chris Lord-Alge. An outtake from the sessions, "Cell Phone", was later recorded for The Glass Passenger (2008).

Themes and music
Everything in Transit is a concept album that details McMahon's return to his hometown, which he left to pursue a career in music. McMahon wrote the material during a dark period of self-exploration in his life impacted by Something Corporate's hiatus and the ending of a long relationship with Kelly Hansch caused in part by his career pursuit. (The pair would later reconcile and marry.) Throughout the album, there are references to becoming sick and being hospitalized. McMahon mentioned the lyrics are about recovering from his frequent touring with Something Corporate, which he compared to recovering from an illness of sorts. He realized the best way to get the material out of himself was to put the lyrics against an ideology of hope. Much of Something Corporate's material was written when McMahon was 16–17 years old during various make-up-and-break-ups. For Everything in Transit, he thought he found real love, and had decided to put the relationship on hold in an attempt to find himself.

Musically, the album has been classed as pop rock and power pop, abandoning the pop punk style of Something Corporate. When working in a band, decisions are often made democratically as a collective. Working on the project alone allowed McMahon to write the song he could hear in his head. He tried shaping the album after some of his favorite records—the Beach Boys' Pet Sounds, Weezer's Weezer and Tom Petty's Wildflowers. He also listened to electronic pop acts such as the Killers, the Faint and TV on the Radio, as well as David Bowie and Madman Across the Water (1971) by Elton John. Many elements of the Beach Boys are found on the album, including the booklet featuring an autobiographical tale in the form of a storybook inspired by Pet Sounds. It reignited McMahon's love of pop music and his interest in crafting a record that was unashamedly pop. He subsequently began listening to a lot of pop albums from the 1960s and 1970s that he considered better than his own material. After partially reconnecting with Southern California, he used the landscape's sounds as a backdrop for a few of the tracks. There are audio clips throughout the album that McMahon captured during the recording sessions on his handheld camera.

Songs
"Holiday from Real" opens with barely audible sounds of seagulls, beaches and traffic, before moving into a bass slide. McMahon talks about arriving home and being viewed as a visitor in his own world against the backdrop of Los Angeles. He wrote "The Mixed Tape" about making the perfect mixtape for his girlfriend. The track starts with a chord progression being played by partial distorted guitar, before McMahon's vocals come in. "Bruised" includes a drum machine, and was compared to Straylight Run with McMahon's upbeat vocal take; it talks about handling the loss of leaving a partner. "I'm Ready" opens with a spoken-word introduction, prior to full-band instrumentation kicking in. A crescendo starts after the first verse, but instead of building to a chorus, it goes to the next verse. It talks about accepting real life and being willing to move on in the face of adversity. The song features a tongue-in-cheek monologue, sounding like a journal entry, about the annoyance of putting on new clothes every day. It was one of the earliest tracks written for the project, written about guitarist William Tell leaving Something Corporate and McMahon's break up with Hansch. During the choruses sections of "La La Lie", McMahon is accompanied by backing vocals singing the track's title. The bridge section features McMahon yelling "Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!", followed by harmonica and guitar solos.

"Dark Blue" was written on a college campus stage and out of all the songs, it had the most similarity to Something Corporate; it became the last song recorded for the album. The song's lyrics were completely re-written from the original draft, which included the placeholder lyric "I'm black and blue". As it was the last song, McMahon was initially unsure what to talk about. It then became the album's centrepiece, with McMahon explaining: "...all of a sudden I knew what the story was, and I was having these crazy dreams about tidal waves and the characters ... became this story about this massive storm coming and sweeping us off into the water." "Miss Delaney" is about a girl based in Seattle, Washington that helped McMahon through a rough period in his life; it has a theremin reminiscent of the one heard on the Beach Boys' "Good Vibrations". "Kill the Messenger" talks about leaving someone you care about as it's for the better. "MFEO" is a two-part track—part one is "Made for Each Other"; the second part is "You Can Breathe". The first part is a piano-and-synth-centred track about McMahon analyzing his place in the world; the second part eventually fades out and concludes with his commentary about the making of the album and his need to purchase more videotape. McMahon said he put the track as the closer "because it spells out an over all philosophy. It definitely is in line with who I am, and what I believe". "Into the Airwaves" was compared to "The Astronaut" from Something Corporate's Leaving Through the Window.

Initial promotion and McMahon's leukemia
After touring with Something Corporate in January and February 2005, McMahon began playing shows with Jack's Mannequin in March and debuted material from the project. McMahon's backing band, named the Mannequins, consisted of Anderson and Jacques Brautbar on guitar, Jon Sullivan on bass and Jay McMillan on drums. Anderson studied music with Sullivan at Virginia Commonwealth University; Sullivan had been friends with McMillan for a few years. Promotion started when the band performed at South by Southwest, around which time they began releasing music. On April 17, Jack's Mannequin's debut album was announced for release in the coming summer through Maverick Records. Another announcement followed four days later, revealing the album's title, Everything in Transit, and the release date of July 12. In May, the group embarked on a six-week tour to build up hype for the album. On May 10, "Holiday from Real" was released as a 7" vinyl single, featuring two versions of "Kill the Messenger" (the album version and an acoustic version) as B-sides. On May 20, two songs were made available for streaming through the band's Myspace account. Two days later, it was announced the album's release date was pushed back to August 9 as "Dark Blue" was written and recorded for inclusion on it.

Around this time, McMahon started feeling sick while on tour, suffering from chronic fatigue and laryngitis. On May 25, he contacted his doctor, who said he should cancel the following night's show as he could face permanent damage to his voice. He met with his doctor who ran some blood tests after seeing McMahon's pale complexion. Two days later, during a mastering session for the album, McMahon received a phone call. His doctor said he needed a blood transfusion. He checked in to the Presbyterian Hospital in New York City, where he was sent directly to the leukemia ward. McMahon spent the next few days waiting for the results of a bone marrow sample taken from his hip. On June 1, he was diagnosed with acute lymphoblastic leukemia. All upcoming tour dates with both Jack's Mannequin and Something Corporate were postponed indefinitely. He flew to Los Angeles and was admitted to the UCLA Medical Center and underwent a first round of chemotherapy. With a lot of time in hospital, McMahon listened to the album and decided to re-sequence it.

As he was at an unusual age to get cancer, there was a debate whether to put him on an adult regimen or a vigorous pediatric treatment. He decided on the adult regimen as the hospital was part of a clinical trial that was testing it. McMahon contacted the label and advised them while he would be unable to promote the album until he was completely healthy, they should go ahead with its August 9 release date. As a result of multiple rounds of chemotherapy, his white blood cell count was almost at zero, and coupled with a weak immune system he contracted pneumonia. His white blood cell count eventually increased, and he decided to undergo a stem-cell transplant, rather than the longer and painful process of bone-marrow grafting. The chemotherapy could have potentially lasted several years if he had been unable to receive a transplant. McMahon said the prospect of "waiting three years to put out a record that was so personal and immediate to me ... was just not an option to me."

On July 3, McMahon was released from hospital and returned home to Los Angeles. On July 8, the album's release date was pushed back a further two weeks to August 23 in an attempt to give the album more traction prior to its release. "The Mixed Tape" was released as a single on July 19. In late July, a music video was filmed for "The Mixed Tape". On August 3, McMahon began preparations for a bone marrow transplant. On August 18, the animated music video for "The Mixed Tape" was released. It was directed by Michael Perlmutter and Full Tank, and was filmed while McMahon was being treated in hospital. Watercolour-esque paintings are seen throughout the clip, changing from a pastoral countryside to a dense forest to a city and then outer space. Shots of McMahon were interlaced over the animation. After finding out his sister Katie was an eligible donor, he went through a second round of chemotherapy before receiving the stem-cell transplant on the same day the album was released. The transplant revitalized his immune system. The iTunes version of the album included "Lonely for Her" as a bonus track.

Recovery and later promotion
McMahon spent the following months recovering at his parents' house. He met with his doctor weekly to check his blood count, and had to use testosterone patches because the chemotherapy had reduced his testosterone levels. "The Mixed Tape" was released to radio on September 20. McMahon contracted a prolonged bout of shingles, before eventually going into remission in October. The shingles subsided by December; he played his first two concerts since his diagnosis later that month. By January 2006, he was still on some medication, but was almost completely healthy. During that month, McMahon performed "The Mixed Tape" on an episode of One Tree Hill, where Hilarie Burton's character holds a benefit concert. While filming the episode in Wilmington, North Carolina, a second music video was filmed for "The Mixed Tape" with director Jay Martin. In the clip, McMahon delivers a package to Burton's house containing a mixtape and a flier for a Jack's Mannequin show. Burton's character finally listens to the tape and goes to the show. The band eventually played "The Mixed Tape" and "Dark Blue".

Following this, he appeared on Jimmy Kimmel Live!, The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson and Last Call with Carson Daly. He slowly started performing one-off shows with his backing band in California, before eventually going on a short five-date tour out of the state in March. "Dark Blue" was released to radio on June 27. Between June and August, Jack's Mannequin supported O.A.R. on their headlining US tour. In early July, he finished taking the last of his prescribed medicine. Later that month, filming for a music video for "Dark Blue" began, before wrapping in August. The video, directed Brett Simon, was released on September 21. Inspired by They Shoot Horses, Don't They?, the clip features a dance marathon in 1950s Venice. In September and October, the band went on the Tour for a Cure, with support from Copeland, the Hush Sound and Daphne Loves Derby. Proceeds of the tour went to cancer research for the 15–22 age group. Following this, they appeared at the Bamboozle Left festival. Everything in Transit was re-released on November 7, featuring a DVD of live performances, music videos for "The Mixed Tape" and "Dark Blue", and interviews.

In November and December, the band supported Panic! at the Disco on their US arena tour. To promote Jack's Mannequin's appearance on the tour, "La La Lie" was released as a single. In February 2007, the band went on their first headlining tour, dubbed The West Coast Winter Tour. They toured the US with support from Head Automatica and The Audition. They extended this tour into March, with support from The Audition and We Are the Fury. Following this, the band appeared at The Bamboozle festival. McMahon contributed an acoustic version of "Bruised" to Punk Goes Acoustic 2, and an early version of "La La Lie", dubbed the West Coast Winter version, to Punk the Clock Volume Three. The constant touring over the preceding 14 months resulted in McMahon suffering mental exhaustion and physical fatigue. His management said: "The extensive travel has taken a toll on his mind and body ... [we believe] that it is in his, and his fans', best interest for him to be home so that he can regain his strength." As a result, tour dates in October were cancelled.

Critical response
Everything in Transit received positive response from music critics. AbsolutePunk staff member Rohan Kohli wrote that the album explored the "complete emotional spectrum, taking you along on a journey that will make you both smile and cry," in some cases on the same track. He said McMahon's "impassioned" lyrics "really take the songs to an entirely different level." Sputnikmusic staff member SowingSeason considered the release perfect for "lazy, sunny afternoons when the sky is blue [and] the seagulls are flying around in a frenzy." Despite finding "nothing completely out of the ordinary," there was an "endearing sense of personality that permeates" every track so that listeners might find themselves gravitating to them immediately.

Ultimate Guitar said McMahon's phenomenal "meaningful" lyrics help the listener to create "a set of vivid pictures and moods in [their] head." Overall, they wrote that it had "three ingredients" that make a good record: "very well-crafted music, intelligent lyrics with sense and emotions. Plus it's very well put together." AllMusic reviewer Stephen Thomas Erlewine noted that while it was not far removed from what McMahon was doing with Something Corporate, the album "sounds truer to his artistic inclinations" than any of that band's releases. Though he added it "really shouldn't work ... [an album] delivered by an emo songwriter, backed by an aging metalhead, and co-produced by a guy who gave Hoobastank hits."

JR of IGN viewed the record as "mature, studied, delicate, and memorable," but felt it "drags, at times ... both sonically and thematically." Melodic reviewer Kaj Roth also found it similar to Something Corporate, and called it "very catchy and infectious." The Morning Call John J. Moser considered it "a heck of a record ... The disc is so intelligent and complex ... it well may be beyond mass acceptance." PopMatters writer David Bernard viewed the album's melodies as being its strongest trait, "sav[ing] it from mediocrity"; he felt "the album could achieve much more." He added that around a third of the tracks were "in need of revisions, [but] perhaps the most troubling aspect ... is that a collection of songs about such a personal episode can sound so blandly general."

Commercial performance, subsequent events and releases
Everything in Transit debuted at number 37 of the Billboard 200, selling over 22,000 copies in its first week of release. By August 2008, it had sold over 250,000 copies. The Orange County Register ranked the album number one on their best local releases of 2005 list, and number 28 on the best albums of the 2000s list. Rock Sound ranked it at number 116 on the list of best albums in their lifetime.

After going through his illness McMahon became aware of the effects cancer was having on young adults and founded The Dear Jack Foundation in July 2006. It acts as a non-profit charity to raise funds for cancer research. Footage of the recording sessions, and McMahon's diagnosis and subsequent recovery was released as part of the documentary film Dear Jack in November 2009. Everything in Transit was re-pressed on vinyl in December 2010 and included an a cappella version of "Holiday from Real" and the West Coast Winter version of "La La Lie" as bonus tracks. McMahon performed the record in its entirety in 2014 as part of the Cultivate Festival. A 10th anniversary edition of the album, which includes bonus tracks, was released in October 2015. This version charted at number six on the Vinyl Albums and number 40 on the Catalog Albums charts. Following this, the group performed the album in its entirety on tour in December 2015 and January 2016. "Dark Blue" was certified gold by the Recording Industry Association of America in January 2016; Everything in Transit was certified Gold in August 2021.

Track listing
All songs written by Andrew McMahon.

Personnel
Personnel per booklet.

Jack's Mannequin
 * Andrew McMahon – piano, lead vocals, organ (tracks 2, 4 and 9), bells (track 2) , harmonica (track 5) , keyboards (tracks 6 and 8) , hand percussion (track 6) , Wurlitzer (track 10)

Additional musicians
 * Jim Wirt – guitar (tracks 1, 7 and 9), bass (tracks 1–11) , backing vocals (track 3)
 * Patrick Warren – Chamberlin (tracks 1–3 and 9–10), Moog (tracks 4–5 and 7) , Melodica (track 5) , accordion (track 5) , samples (track 9) , organ (track 10) string and horn samples (track 10)
 * CJ Eiriksson – programming (tracks 1–3, 5 and 7–11), drums (track 9)
 * Bobby "Raw" Anderson – guitar (tracks 2–10), backing vocals (tracks 3 and 5–6)
 * Tommy Lee – drums (tracks 2–4, 8, 10 and 11)
 * Jay McMillian – drums (tracks 5–6)
 * Terry Wilson – sitar (track 8)
 * Brian Coffman – guitar (tracks 10 and 11)

Production
 * Jim Wirt – producer
 * Andrew McMahon – producer, art direction, photos
 * CJ Eiriksson – engineer (except track 5), Pro Tools
 * Neil Couser – engineer (track 5), Pro Tools, additional engineering
 * Scott Humphrey – drums recording (except tracks 1, 5, 6 and 9)
 * Chris Baseford – drums recording (except tracks 1, 5, 6 and 9)
 * Chris Lord-Alge – mixing
 * Josey Alcantar – engineer
 * Dave Colvin – assistant engineer
 * Brian Reeves – recording, engineer
 * Peter Martinez – assistant engineer
 * Frank Maddocks – art direction
 * Katherine Reka O'Connell – illustrations
 * Wayne Robins – photos

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 * Delete Redundant (see Hardware random number generator and Cryptographically secure pseudo-random number generator). ManoaChild 01:23, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
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 * Delete - OR. (Pretty much anything with the word "I" in it is fair game for deletion, methinks).  Demogorgon's Soup-taster 08:56, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge to Pseudorandom or the other article noted with the almost identical name or something else appropriate. Just because the content is bad, doesn't mean that it should be deleted. Its a legit topic. Roodog2k (talk) 11:04, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
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 * Delete or redirect to cryptographically secure pseudo-random number generator. There's no content worth merging; we cover this stuff at hardware random number generator (as per ManoaChild). — Matt Crypto 11:39, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong delte this is in effect a personal esay -- a collection of personal views on what makes a good CSRNG. This is all covered in more detail and in more encyclopediac fashion at cryptographically secure pseudo-random number generator. After deletion, create a preemtive redirect to that page, but theere is no reason to retain the current article in the page history. (If no consensus to delete, redir, do not simply keep)DES (talk) 18:48, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
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 * Delete or redirect. This is not only a personal opinion but sufficiently indistinct that it cannot even be tested (to the extent such things can be tested) as it stands. Actually the redirect to the CSPRNG would be best for readers looking for CSRNG should definitely be told that no such thing as a CSRNG actually exists and that the concept the term supposedly refers to is a snark. An important bit of context for the non cryptiacs. ww 18:46, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
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Gordon Fraser (cyclist)

Gordon "Gord" Fraser (born November 19, 1968) is a Canadian former professional road racing cyclist. As a rider he specialised in sprinting.

Fraser is a three-time Olympian and four-time Commonwealth Games participant and has over 200 career wins including becoming the 2004 Canadian national road race champion. He also rode in the 1997 Tour de France and won the US National Race Calendar series twice. He retired from professional cycling at the end of the 2006 season after racing four seasons for the Health Net Pro Cycling Team Presented by Maxxis.

He went on to be a directeur sportif with Team Type 1 in 2009, and joined UnitedHealthcare-Maxxis as a directeur sportif in 2010. In 2011 became DS for the US Continental team, Realcyclist.com. Whilst there he guided Francisco Mancebo to the top of the National Race Calendar individual standings in 2011 and again in 2012 (under the team's new name of Competitive Cyclist Racing Team). However he left the team when it merged with Kenda-5 Hour Energy ahead of the 2013 season. Subsequently he was approached by to work for them in 2013, however this fell through when Exergy withdrew its sponsorship of the team. In 2014 he worked for at the USA Pro Cycling Challenge, and took the directeur sportif role at the  for several races on a part-time basis, before signing a two-year deal with the squad in September of that year. After it emerged that Silber would disband at the end of the 2018 season, Floyd Landis announced that Fraser would serve as manager of his new UCI Continental team, Floyd's of Leadville. After leaving the scene for two years, Fraser was announced to become the head directeur sportif of the team for the 2022 season, replacing Zak Dempster.

Fraser resides in Tucson, Arizona and has two sons named Angus and Axel.

Major results

 * 1992
 * 1st Stage 5 Niederösterreich Rundfahrt

 * 1994
 * 1st Paris–Troyes
 * 1st Paris–Chauny
 * 1st Stages 2, 4 & 5 Tour de Normandie
 * 1st Stages 2 & 5 Tour du Vaucluse

 * 1995
 * 5th Trofeo Luis Puig

 * 1997
 * 1st Stage 4 Grand Prix du Midi Libre
 * 5th Paris–Mantes
 * 10th Le Samyn

 * 1998
 * 1st Stage 2 Vuelta a Asturias
 * 1st Stages 1 & 4 Redlands Bicycle Classic
 * 1st Stage 1 Killington Stage Race
 * 1st Stage 1 Tour de Beauce
 * 1st Stage 4 Tour de Toona
 * 2nd Overall Sea Otter Classic

 * 1999
 * 1st Overall Tucson Bicycle Classic
 * 1st Stages 1 & 2
 * Tour Trans Canada
 * 1st Stages 2, 3, 6, 8 & 9
 * 1st Points classification
 * 1st Stages 3 & 5 Redlands Bicycle Classic
 * 1st Stages 2 & 7 International Cycling Classic
 * 1st Stage 5 Tour de Beauce
 * 1st Stage 4 Tour de Toona
 * 1st Stage 2 Fitchburg Longsjo Classic
 * 2nd Silver medal america.svg Road race, Pan American Games
 * 2nd Silver medal america.svg Road race, Pan American Road Championships
 * 2nd Overall Sea Otter Classic
 * 3rd Athens Twilight Criterium
 * 7th First Union Classic

 * 2000
 * 1st Athens Twilight Criterium
 * 1st GP de la Ville de Rennes
 * 1st Stage 1 Critérium International
 * 1st Overall Valley of the Sun Stage Race
 * 1st Stages 1 & 3
 * 1st Overall Tour de Toona
 * 1st Stages 1, 2, 3 & 4
 * 1st Prologue & Stage 3 Sea Otter Classic
 * 2nd Road race, National Road Championships
 * 2nd First Union Classic
 * 8th Philadelphia International Cycling Classic

 * 2001
 * 1st Stage 1 Tour de Langkawi
 * 1st Stage 2 Tour de Beauce
 * 1st Stage 2 Redlands Bicycle Classic
 * 1st Prologue & Stage 3 Tour de Toona
 * 2nd Clarendon Cup

 * 2002
 * 1st First Union Classic
 * 1st Overall Tucson Bicycle Classic
 * 1st Stages 1, 2 & 3
 * 1st Athens Twilight Criterium
 * 1st Manhattan Beach Grand Prix
 * 1st Stage 1 Valley of the Sun Stage Race
 * 1st Stage 2 Sea Otter Classic
 * 1st Stage 6b Tour de Beauce
 * 3rd Overall USA Cycling National Racing Calendar

 * 2003
 * 1st Gastown Grand Prix
 * 1st Stages 1 & 3 Tour of the Gila
 * 1st Stage 3 Tour de Beauce
 * 1st Stage 1 Tucson Bicycle Classic
 * 1st Stage 1 Redlands Bicycle Classic
 * 1st Stages 2, 3 & 4 Pomona Valley Stage Race
 * 3rd Manhattan Beach Grand Prix

 * 2004
 * 1st MaillotCan.PNG Road race, National Road Championships
 * 1st Stages 1 & 7 Tour de Georgia
 * 1st Points classification, Tour de Langkawi
 * 1st Stage 4 Cascade Cycling Classic
 * 2nd Overall USA Cycling National Racing Calendar
 * 2nd CSC Invitational
 * 2nd Wachovia Classic
 * 3rd Philadelphia International Championship

 * 2005
 * 1st Wachovia Classic
 * 1st Gastown Grand Prix
 * 1st Stage 6 Tour de Georgia
 * 1st Historic Roswell Criterium
 * 1st Stage 1 Cascade Cycling Classic
 * 1st Stage 4 Nature Valley Grand Prix
 * 2nd Overall San Dimas Stage Race
 * 1st Stage 2
 * 2nd Overall Sea Otter Classic
 * 1st Stage 2
 * 3rd Overall Tour de Delta
 * 1st Stage 3

 * 2006
 * 1st Overall Joe Martin Stage Race
 * 1st Stages 1, 2 & 4
 * 1st Historic Roswell Criterium
 * 1st Stage 3 Tour of the Gila
 * 1st Stage 3 Tour de Delta
 * 1st Stage 3 Central Valley Classic
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Buninyong Town Hall

Buninyong Town Hall is located in the centre of Buninyong, Victoria, Australia. Construction began on the combined town hall and courthouse on 30 August 1886. It is included on the Victorian Heritage Register for its architectural and historical importance to the State of Victoria.

The courthouse contains the Buninyong Historical Society collection, which includes historic items from the former Shire of Buninyong. The town hall is now used for a variety of purposes, such as the local Sunday market, discos, wedding receptions, debating, and arts exhibitions. The hall has been extended, with offices now making up the eastern side of the structure. This is owned by Tortor Plant Hire, and is accessible via an entrance to the left of the main hall entrance.

The hall boasts many features, including a large kitchen, stage, piano, and ample parking at the front and rear (accessible from Scott St).

Buninyong Town Hall is on the service road off Learmonth St, between the Buninyong Urban Fire Brigade and a cafe.

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Paul McHale

Paul Francis McHale Jr. (born July 26, 1950) is a retired American lawyer and politician as well as a United States Marine. From 2003 to 2009, he served as the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Homeland Defense. From 1993 to 1999, he represented Pennsylvania's 15th congressional district in the United States House of Representatives.

McHale was the founder and former president of Civil Support International LLC (2010-2020), a consulting firm that advised private contractors, academic institutions and government agencies in matters related to disaster preparedness, crisis response, homeland defense and homeland security. He retired from law and business in 2020 in order to pursue a master’s degree in Military History and Strategic Studies at the National University of Ireland Maynooth.

Education and military service
McHale was born in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, where he graduated from Liberty High School.

McHale received a Bachelor of Arts (Government, Highest Honors) from Lehigh University in 1972, a Master of Arts (Military History and Strategic Studies, First Class Honors) from the National University of Ireland Maynooth in 2022, and a J.D. from Georgetown University Law Center in 1977. He enlisted in the United States Marine Corps in 1972, retiring from the Marine Corps Reserve with the rank of colonel in 2007. McHale served combat tours in Saudi Arabia (Desert Shield, 1990), Kuwait (Desert Storm, 1991), and Afghanistan (Enduring Freedom, 2007). His personal military decorations include the Bronze Star, the Legion of Merit, the Meritorious Service Medal and the Navy Commendation Medal (2nd award).

In October 2006, McHale was recalled to active Marine Corps duty to deploy to Afghanistan. For McHale's service as both a Congressman and Assistant Secretary of Defense, McHale was awarded the DoD Distinguished Public Service Medal – the department's highest civilian honor – by three successive Secretaries of Defense.

Politics
McHale was a member of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives from 1983 to 1991, resigning in order to volunteer for active duty in the Gulf War. In 1992, he ran for Congress and defeated 14-year incumbent Don Ritter in a major upset, with the support of significant numbers of Democratic, Republican and Independent voters in the Lehigh Valley.

While serving in Congress, McHale was an active member of the House Armed Services Committee and he co-founded the National Guard and Reserve Components Caucus.

McHale gained prominence in 1998 when he called for Bill Clinton to resign. He voted for three of the four articles of impeachment against Clinton. He was one of only five Democrats who voted for at least one article, and had by far the most liberal voting record of those who supported impeachment. The other four Democrats who voted for at least one article were Virgil Goode, Ralph Hall, Charlie Stenholm, and Gene Taylor, all of whom had very conservative voting records. Goode, Hall and Taylor subsequently became Republicans, while McHale served in the Bush administration.

Legal career
McHale began representing Panda Energy International in 1999, after the completion of his term in the U.S. House of Representatives, during Panda's legal and public relations battles which took place in his former congressional district.

Assistant Secretary of Defense
Nominated by President George W. Bush, McHale was confirmed by the U.S. Senate and assumed his position as Assistant Secretary of Defense (ASD) for Homeland Defense (HD) on February 7, 2003. The first to hold this position, McHale supervised all homeland defense activities for the U.S. Department of Defense and represented the Department at the highest levels of U.S. domestic crisis planning. He left DoD in January 2009 at the end of the George W. Bush administration.

As Assistant Secretary of Defense, McHale was responsible for senior civilian oversight of two geographic combatant commands, Northern Command and Southern Command, as well as DoD Western Hemisphere policy affairs, Defense Support of Civil Authorities (DSCA), and the transfer of technologies to homeland security use pursuant to Section 1401 of the 2003 National Defense Authorization Act.

Personal life
He is married to Major General Martha Rainville, the first woman in the history of the U.S. National Guard to serve as a state Adjutant General and a former congressional candidate from Vermont. He has three children Matthew, Mary, and Luke McHale from a previous marriage to Katherine Pecka McHale.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Savage Sucks .com

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The result of the debate was DELETE. — J I P | Talk 18:43, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Michael Savage Sucks .com, How Don and Mike Removed the Evil One From MSNBC, New Ruskin College
Delete. Not notable. And Wikipedia is not a web directory. Sucks sites might best be added to the attackee page. Mmmbeer 01:19, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. I've also added two other articles to this vfd because they were added by the same user and are on roughly the same topic. Gamaliel 01:28, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. The Alexa ranking is somewhere south of 600,000.   [  +t,  +c ,  +m  ] 08:22, September 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn, Wikipedia not a web directory, Wikipedia not a propaganda machine, etc.---CH (talk) 05:58, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'd say the New Ruskin College site is notable all right, but not as a potential Wikipedia entry. 67.10.136.147 09:15, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * This afd nomination was orphaned. Listing now.  No opinion. —Cryptic (talk) 12:04, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete... and you've no idea how hilarious to a New Zealander the idea of Michael Savage and Don working together is! Grutness...  wha?  02:14, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * DeleteJwissick 17:34, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
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Haarmann (1994, 277) notes that the original homeland of the Uralic people—situated geographically in a region near the middle Volga around the basin of the Kama and Vyatka—is not under dispute, although there is some designation over how far west it extended.

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Lardo
But Colonnata is a major stop on a different kind of itinerary, one connecting the famous meat towns of Italy: Langhirano, above Parma, where the best prosciutto is cured; nearby Felino, the source of an exquisite salame; Norcia, the remote Umbrian center of both monasticism (St. Benedict and St. Scholastica were born there) and of cured pork; the area north of Arezzo, where grilled Florentine steaks reach their apogee at places like Hostaria Costachiara and Il Canto del Maggio; and Panzano, where the butcher Cecchini recently opened a restaurant, Solociccia, that specializes in dozen-course family dinners consisting almost entirely of lesser cuts of Chianti-style beef. Some wine fetishists like to talk about the mystical feeling that comes across them when they sip a glass of wine overlooking the vineyards in which the wine was grown, but there can be an even stronger sense of terroir in the meat towns, where the essence of the local products almost seems to ooze through the buildings, where the air itself smells of flesh, salt and time.

Speck

 * Eugenia Bone 10.30.06

 * The hams of Italy's lovely Alto Adige region have been cured to perfection.

Speck, the cured ham of Alto Adige, Italy's northernmost province, has the distinction of being one of the least-known world-class charcuterie products. That's probably because until the year before last, you couldn't buy it in the United States, and speck comes from a region that not many folks visit. Basically, word just hasn't traveled beyond a relatively small circle.

That's a good thing for you and me, because Alto Adige is all the more beautiful for being somewhat undiscovered. Bordering Austria to the north, the landscape is a breathtaking combination of rich valley land planted with apple trees and vineyards that climb the skirts of the glamorous, snowcapped Dolomites. Dour medieval castles crumble on every promontory, and the farms and villages are charming and tidy (even video stores have window boxes full of roses). It has a unique food scene derived from both Austrian and Italian culinary styles, and is one of Italy's premier wine regions, though also its smallest. The smooth streets are designed for sports cars, and the local people, unlike their fellow citizens farther south, are delighted to share their restaurants and roads with travelers. Alto Adige is relatively free of rumpled day-trippers and their sundry accommodations: There are no McDonald's, few souvenir shops and no menus in English. Every sign is written in both German and Italian, in recognition of the region's historic cultural mix. That Alto Adige is the best of both worlds becomes clear if you've ever tried to buy a stamp in Italy, or pined for a little elegance in Germany. Here, the trains run on time, and you can get a fabulous panini in the station. Austria ceded Südtirol to Italy after World War I. It was joined to Italian Trentino, and the two provinces now make up Trentino--Alto Adige. Of the one million residents, about 70 percent speak the local German dialect. But rather than seek to reconnect with the fatherland, the Südtiroleans lean toward the more sumptuous embrace of Mediterranean culture.

An appropriate metaphor for this cozy duality is the ham. Speck Alto Adige (the full and proper name of the product, and not to be confused with German Speck, which is lard, called lardo in Italian and also " prosciutto bianco" by Mario Batali) combines the good, strong smoky quality of Germany's Black Forest ham with the yielding tenderness of San Daniele prosciutto. It may seem a little shabby to use the hind leg of a hog to describe a place, but not if you've tasted this hog.

My friend the Tuscan photographer Paolo Destefanis and I sat at an outdoor table at Restaurant Kuppelrain in Castelbello, looking over the red haze of a rose garden at a handsome medieval castle perched on a tremendous rock. Kuppelrain is well-known. The chef, Jörg Trafojer, and his wife, the sommelier Sonja, have enjoyed a Michelin star for the last six years, and serve to capacity every night, but it still feels like a private place, a secret find, so intimate is the service and ambiance. To whet our appetites, Sonja served us a glass of Arunda Reserve Brut, produced by Joseph Reiterer in the tiny town of Mölten, the highest-altitude sparkling wine cellar in Europe, garnished with elderberry flowers that stuck to the insides of our glasses like little stars. Just as we were settling into a state of nirvana, out came Jörg, a brooding man who looks like Kurt Cobain, carrying a slab of polished white dolomite marble. On it was a selection of tiny dishes made with speck. We ate a glistening sweet wine gelatin that held a silver dollar of foie gras wrapped in a skin of speck; white asparagus ice cream with thin, crispy speck chips; a kind of speck maki stuffed with herbed ricotta; green asparagus wrapped in a speck envelope; and a combination of tiny sautéed apple balls garnished with minced speck. Each dish was delicious and provocative yet remained true to the local culinary vernacular--the mark of a great chef. (The rest of the meal was equally delightful: venison carpaccio on a bed of garden cress and cornflowers, and veal with mustard and wild onions served with ruby-red lagrein wine like Abbazia di Novacella or Cantina Producttori Cortaccia and fruit foams of elderberry and apricot.)

Just about every little farm or destination-type restaurant in the region makes its own speck. So do many elegant salumerie--the Italian version of a delicatessen--in the main towns of Merano and Bolzano, but only two companies are permitted to sell their product in the United States: Recla in Silandro and Senfter in San Cardido.

Speck is a true synthesis of two curing styles: salting from the Mediterranean and smoking from central Europe (it represents the southernmost smoking tradition in Europe). Like prosciutto, speck is made from the hind leg of the pig, but it's boned before curing and the meat is rubbed with spices as well as salt. "This mix of spices is each producer's secret," Franz Recla told me gravely when we visited the company's plant. "I cannot tell you what ours is." (Later, however, a young, clearly reckless Recla executive willingly revealed the family formula: laurel, juniper, rosemary, caraway, fennel, garlic and pepper.) The meat rests for two weeks, is lightly smoked for five days and then seasoned for five months. During this period natural molds develop as the humidity in the meat is purged (losing up to 40 percent of its weight). The mold "rounds the flavor," announced Recla's cellar master. He looked like he would know. A stocky guy in rubber boots, he had spices all over the bib of his white apron, as if he had been hugging the speck, and he smelled like pepper.

A friend from Friuli recently told me the secret to speck is the cold, dry air--about the millionth time I'd heard that. Indeed, the air of Alto Adige, even in the big towns, is noticeably clean and fresh. "The air plays a huge role," says Robert Deiaco, chef at the Rainbow Room in New York and an Alto Adige native.

The end result is a product that is creamy in texture, intensely flavored and significantly different from prosciutto. "Speck is so much better than a good prosciutto," says Deiaco. "You can really taste the flavors of juniper berries and laurel leaves." Speck Alto Adige is imported by Savello USA, a Pennsylvania-based company that brought the first San Daniele prosciutto into the U.S. in 1997, the first Italian tuna fish, Callipo from Calabria, in 2001, the first Italian bresaolo in 2000 and is "on standby for pancetta, " according to Savello president Cesare Gallo. "I went for speck because speck is necessary to complete the salumeria."

About 60 different specks are produced for retail in Alto Adige, and they vary from house to house, from valley to valley: You can actually get a map and drive a speck trail the way you can the wine road through Tramin (where Gewürztraminer originated). Each tastes a little different: Siebenförcher, from Merano, is creamy and mild; Vontavon is a bit salty and very delicate; Ortler is smokier; Senfter is elegant; Gasser is more subtle; Martin is quite spicy and Recla has an assertive flavor of fennel. And the list goes on.

Thank God for Bolzano's Speckfest, where all these different specks can be tasted at once and compared. In the town's fastidiously restored central piazza, a dozen or so wooden booths exhibited glorious displays of speck, bacon, cooked hams and other local specialties. Over a weekend in May (held then because the pigs were traditionally slaughtered in December and the speck was ready to eat in May), 100,000 people came to taste speck. The place was crowded with a mix of Italians and Austrians, a kind of Heidi-meets-Gucci-loafer set--traditional, but well-heeled. The booths were staffed by young women selling fluffy piles of tissue-thin slices of speck on small cutting boards, garnished with horseradish, pickles and dark rye bread studded with raisins and nuts. In the VIP tent, guests snacked on plates of speck and raw porcini mushrooms dressed in lemon-infused olive oil and walnut halves, the creation of Herbert Hintner, chef of Zur Rose, one of the region's best restaurants. At the dinner hut they served a softball-sized knudel speckled with speck, rich, dark goulash and crisp vinegary coleslaw on a dinner plate with proper fork and knife. Teenagers in their sneakers sat at picnic tables, drinking glasses of the local Schiava, a light, spicy wine--the preferred vin ordinaire--and eating sandwiches of speck and sliced hard-boiled egg on a rustic bun. We settled for a more elegant dish of chard wrapped in speck and baked, served with the region's superior white asparagus from Terlano, thick as candles, at Restaurant Walther on the piazza.

Speck can be found just about anywhere in Alto Adige, and speck Alto Adige can be found in very fine gourmet stores throughout the United States…now that you know to look.

 * All About Speck

Bolzano's Speckfest is held every May; www.speckfest.org. Recla speck can be ordered through Savello USA; call (570) 822-9743 or e-mail info@savellousa.com. Graziano's Gourmet Food imports Senfter; (401) 521-7378. For a map of speck producers, go to www.speck.it. Fine dining in Alto Aldige: Restaurant Kuppelrain, Via Stazione 16, Castelballo/Bolzano, 011-39-0473-62-41-03. (Make reservations at least one week in advance.)

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Hatschek's pit

In the lancelet, Hatschek's pit, not to be confused with Hatschek's nephridium, is a deep ciliated fossa on the dorsal midline of the buccal cavity (the region of the gut behind the mouth). Among other things, it secretes mucus which entraps food particles from the water. It is named after Berthold Hatschek, an Austrian zoologist who worked on the lancelet.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cultural references in Pokémon

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Woohookitty 10:18, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Cultural references in Pokémon
This article is a mess, and is beyond hope of cleanup. It's a list of random pop-culture or historical references in the Pokémon anime, and doesn't offer the context to make sense of the references. Besides having factual errors and an ongoing edit war between anons about whether it's appropriate to say that smoking marijuana is bad for you, neither of which are deletion criteria, Wikipedia is WP:NOT an indiscriminate collection of information, like lists of random, loosely-connected trivia. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 01:21, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has lots of lists, I betcha that there are lists that are in worse condition than this CoolKatt number 99999
 * I'm making the case that this list is hopeless, and cannot be improved. I've been working to try and clean it up, but I just can't see how it's not hopeless.
 * If you see another list that is hopelessly unencyclopedic, moreso than this one, feel free to put it on VFD. I'd be happy to vote delete on it. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 02:22, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Why not get someone else to clean up for you? CoolKatt number 99999
 * Because I see a job that needs doing, so I'm doing it. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 03:04, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 * But you say you can't do it, thus negating your statement CoolKatt number 99999
 * I feel it can't be brought up to an encyclopedic standard. It's beyond hope to meet that standard, not beyond hope of any improvement. In the event consensus goes to keep this article, I'd hope that it wouldn't reflect poorly on Wikipedia (or, specifically, the Pokémon Wikiprojects on Wikipedia). - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 03:30, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It is only what you think, were there any times you thought to give up hope, yet kept going to the end? So just let the editing duties be done by someone else. CoolKatt number 99999
 * Huh? - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 03:41, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep Useful as a list, better than articles about each Pokemon episode. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 02:24, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh Lord, I fear we must keep this, for the alternative is mind-boggling. Could ask the WP:PAC to give it a once-over, though. -Splash 02:28, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Actually, on closer reflection, I realise that there is not value in keeping this article. The lack of inward links suggests this has not been created by repeatedly merging, so there is not much reason to suppose that will suddenly change. -Splash 20:13, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Why do you fear we must keep it? For what it's worth, I'm a member of WP:PAC and WP:PCP, and I think it's hopeless. Others may disagree. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 02:31, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Just because, if we don't, we'll get a bazillion seperate articles to replace it. Followed by a bazillion VfDs to merge them all again. -Splash 02:42, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * There are two different Pokémon-related Wikiprojects that are defending valid articles while helping to keep sucky ones under control. This article is not the result of merging unencyclopedic stubs, and deleting it is unlikely to result in the creation of new unencyclopedic stubs. Vote the merits of the article, not based on the consequences you fear. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 02:49, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Still, doesn't justify you to put this up on AFD instead of hiring someone else to clean-up the article CoolKatt number 99999
 * Keep. Best to have this kind of Pokémoncruft collected together in one article so that the Pokémon fans can enjoy it. Sjakkalle (Check!)  06:25, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep sweet jesus that's a fun little article Ryan Norton T 07:29, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep I agree with those who said "Keep", but this should just end now. CoolKatt number 99999
 * Weak Keep/Upgrade - UniReb 11:29, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Agree with above, it's best that it all stays in one article. Amren (talk) 14:31, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm in full support of every species of pokémon getting their own individual articles, but this one is so painfully crufty and obscure. I also refuse to vote on the basis of some spectral threat of the emergence of mass shit articles. Have a little faith, people. --Apostrophe 22:00, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, please! I actually liked the idea of this article (& the first paragraph is not badly written), but the more I read this article, the less I could justify keeping it. The cultural references explained in this article are so painfully obvious (e.g., "The samurai were strong warriors in feudal Japan') or trivial (e.g., "Meowth: 'James, stop this crazy thing'-reference to The Jetsons, in which George says 'Jane, stop this crazy thing'") as to be absolutely worthless. Well, maybe not absolutely: I could entertain myself for hours by making fun of what's there, & risk censure for unnecessary cruelty on Wikipedia. Lastly, there are almost no links to this article, so I doubt that deleting it will create a pokemon hydra in its place. -- llywrch 23:39, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The page has been proctected as a result of the edit war going on. CoolKatt number 99999
 * What? No, it hasn't. You've added the template, for no reason I can fathom. It's not protected, and there's no vandalism going on. - A Man In Black  (Talk | Contribs) 02:14, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete argh! Dottore So 00:58, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Warning: May be sock puppet vote CoolKatt number 99999

 * Delete worthless. Sabine's Sunbird 03:31, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Warning: May be sock puppet vote CoolKatt number 99999

 * Keep, list in cleanup—AFD isn't the page for these kinds of requests. The article is encyclopedic of itself, it just needs some help in its current state. Tito xd 03:46, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I was the one who added the cleanup tag myself, a while ago. And what do you mean that AFD isn't the place for this? - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 03:49, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, liston to Titoxd, he's right for all we know. CoolKatt number 99999
 * I mean that any articles that do deserve an article but are not in good shape should go to cleanup, not to AFD. AFD is to get articles deleted, not fixed. While it is a good way to bring more eyes into the picture and start discussion, it is not the recommended way. AFD is too large and we've been trying to make it smaller for quite a while. These nominations just clog an already clogged process. It's in bad shape, but still salvageable. --Tito xd 03:15, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh. Well, I honestly believe this list should be deleted, not cleaned up. I originally felt it merited cleanup instead of deletion (so I added the cleanup tag), but I have since changed my mind. I know AFD isn't the place for article that need improvement. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 04:37, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I think my brain imploded from reading it, I think there's probably one thing in there that isn't just rubbish- and we can't keep an article for just that, really. --Oppolo 15:41, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Warning: May be sock puppet vote CoolKatt number 99999

 * Delete. There's nothing in here that could possibly be salvaged that doesn't already belong in a more specific Pokemon article.  -Sean Curtin 22:39, September 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Warning: May be sock puppet vote CoolKatt number 99999

 * Delete useless. -WindFish 01:55, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Warning: May be sock puppet vote CoolKatt number 99999

 * Delete: Oh please, dear God! "Ash passes on prune juice - Prunes are said to set off bowel movements, because of its high fiber content, which is why many people don't eat prunes" That's not a cultural reference! That's called stating the bleeding obvious where I come from! Jezze 18:08, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Now, that could be removed without removing the whole article! But delete anyway. Sonic Mew | talk to me 19:43, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Warning: May be sock puppet vote CoolKatt number 99999
 * Something does not sound right, I think there might be sock puppets voting "delete", which is I think why most votes after Amren's are "delete," besides the last 3 votes should not count, nor should Splash's change of mind, because they came after the 5 day limit (September 2-6) to debate on this. If anyone can investigate the alleged sock puppets, I would be pleased. CoolKatt number 99999
 * It's a well established principle that anyone can vote or change their vote until someone closes the debate. It says as much on WP:AFD/Old.-Splash 00:19, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete: That's a HILARIOUS list, as much as I love Pokémon I say kill. - Ferret 00:23, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Still, someone should investigate all "delete" votes after Amren's "keep" vote for sock puppets, which in voting, are against the rules. And saying kill would normally negate you liking Pokemon. CoolKatt number 99999
 * Silly - I meant kill the page not kill Pokémon. ;) - Ferret 04:20, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I invite you to check out the Special:Contibutions page for each of the people voting before making accusations. Please, assume good faith. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 02:36, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * If I did that, then I'd vote what you vote (delete), which is highly unlikely. And to quote the AGF page: Of course, there's a difference between assuming good faith and ignoring bad actions. If you expect people to assume good faith from you, make sure you demonstrate it. Don't put the burden on others. Yelling "Assume Good Faith" at people does not excuse you from explaining your actions, and making a habit of it will convince people that you're acting in bad faith. CoolKatt number 99999
 * I'm not sure that I can say anything to allay your suspicions, so I'll just wish you a nice day and hope someone else can give you the satisfaction you desire. (Without any sarcasm,) have a nice day. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 03:21, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Tagging all those votes is an act of extraordinary poor form. I recognise at least half of those user names on sight as AfD regulars and names I see around the Wiki regularly, and can assure they are not sock-puppets. Besides, I'm sure the closing admin is capable of determining such things for themselves. -Splash 02:42, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe you recognize them because they could be your sock puppets CoolKatt number 99999
 * Nothing like a bit of healthy paranoia to start the day! - Ferret 05:10, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * CoolKatt number 99999 Dude! I am not a "sock puppet". And indeed I feel slightly hurt! "I am not a number I am a free man!" (Hmm well I suppose on the internet I'm just an IP...... DAMN!) Jezze 22:54, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Fine, your vote will stay, and will not be marked as possible sock puppet, and I'm sorry. CoolKatt number 99999

 * DELETE; most of these are not cultural references or even trivia but just obvious facts. ♥purplefeltangel 23:33, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Warning: May be sock puppet vote CoolKatt number 99999
 * Warning: May be overparanoid person who did not bother to look at my userpage nor edit history. ♥purplefeltangel 03:15, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * If I did so, I'd be voting "delete", which I will not CoolKatt number 99999
 * I'm not sure as to what the revelance of looking at somebody's edit history has to do with voting to delete an article. Perhaps you should notch back the paranoia and learn English? --Apostrophe 05:32, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete Seriously, this is not an article worth saving. Who would visit Wikipedia to specifically look up this kind of "info" anyway? Not to mention I'm a little miffed that the Pokemon anime article is now protected thanks toCoolKatt number 99999's obsession to include content that only lowers the quality of the article. WarChild 07:34, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
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