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Talk:Leonid Andreyev

Biographical errors
Andreyev had three sons by his second wife Anna, and two children by his first wife Alexandra. He moved to Finland not in 1917 but in 1908. He published a number of plays and stories in 1915-16; journalism dominated in his production only in 1917, and not in 1918, when he embarked on some longer works he did not live to complete. He did not spend his 'final years in abject poverty': his income remained large till within a year of his death, when the Bolshevik coup cut him off from his Russian royalties. RP, 25 November 2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.81.87.7 (talk) 09:21, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

The article says "He was active between the revolution of 1905 and the Communist revolution which finally overthrew the Tsarist government." Since when did the Communist revolution overthrow the Tsarist government? Didn't the communists overthrow the provisional government that took over after the overthrow of the Tsar?

24.216.69.38 (talk) 22:12, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Do we really need sentence about: Andreyev's reputation in Russia faded quickly after his death ? I do not think it is correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex Bakharev (talk • contribs) — Preceding undated comment added 07:47, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

He died in 1919 His 2nd son must have died in 1958. Although it appears his birth was in 1958. Just wanted to bring your attention to it. BrendaRegister 03:58, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

The Red Laugh
There is a serious error in this piece. The Red Laugh is not a play, it is a novel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.202.22.34 (talk) 20:25, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

original language
His work is available in Russian at az.lib.ru/a/andreew_l_n/ 71.163.114.49 (talk) 12:08, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

semiotic analysis
Ran across this thesis regarding semiotics, haven't had time to process all of it. Seems promising enough to "bookmark" it here. Jamplevia (talk) 02:11, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

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Ūsiņš

Ūsiņš is a deity in Latvian mythology, the god of light and spring, symbol of fertility, guardian of horses and bees.

It is one of few Latvian deities whose historical sources can be derived to be more or less genuine testimony. With Ūsiņš Day begins summer: as they bestow fields with green grass and trees with green leaves. Therefore on Ūsiņi guys drove horses to pieguļa for the first time. Ūsiņi coincidences with Jurģi on 23 April (in Gregorian calendar Ūsiņi falls on 9 May ), which is the Christian Church's deposit. Ūsiņš has its own ornamental sign, which is similar to two letter E facing their backs against each other. This sign is the most common ornament for gloves. There is a belief, that such gloves grant the wearer with good luck on the road, and such gloves are called atslēgaiņi.

The most important symbol of Ūsiņš Day is a foal, which can be interpreted differently. It is both the power of Dievas, human energy, and a phallic symbol because sexual power is equal to the creative energy. Yellow foal symbolizes energy from the Sun. With Ūsiņš it is also linked to someone else's image – the golden grass snake, which in turn, a snake is a symbol of energy flow.

Etymology
The word "ūsiņš" offers several explanations. Gotthard Friedrich Stender linked that name with ūzām – 'trousers', which are of a yellow color. Stender also called Ūsiņš a bee god. However, there is conflicting data on Ūsiņš being a bee god. 19th century folklore materials called Ūziņš a bee god, while a horse god – Ūsiņš.

In late 19th century R. Auniņš called Ūsiņš the god of light, by explaining with the sound "us", which can also be found in the word aust ('day'). Also, in his study on Latvian deity Ūsiņš, Haralds Biezais concluded that Ūsiņš typologically belongs to the realm of heavenly deities, and the specific features allowed him to be considered as the god of light. If this interpretation is correct, he is therefore an astral deity connected to the morning and the evening star.

On the other hand, Jānis Endzelīns felt that the word ūsiņš has no Latvian origin, but was borrowed from the Germanic word husing ('home spirit'). After some time, Endzelīns reflected on and considered that the word ūsiņš derives from a Russian word усень or овсень and that the same deity was borrowed from Russian people. Lastly, Vladimir Toporov, in his studies concluded that Ūsiņš was an ancient and mythical deity of several nations.

Parallels
Folk songs expressed a visible merging process of Ūsiņš and Jurģi (Saint George). According to older writings, Jurģi Day (April 23) was also known as Ūsiņš Day, which were mainly related to the beginning of the spring work, resuming to shepherd livestock and pieguļa.

Ūsiņš also shows similarities with the Indian deities Ashvini and is therefore also comparable with Greek Dioskouri or "Sons of Zeus", who like Ūsiņš transport the Sun. A further parallel is that Ūsiņš is also known as Son of Dievs, and both Asvins are described as Divo napata ("Sons of Dyaus").

Ūsiņš Day celebration
Farmers fully entrust their horses to Ūsiņš, handing them over under his guardianship. Folk songs mention, that Ūsiņš himself belongs to horses, moreover, they are very well cared for. Since Ūsiņš is the god of light, it was horses that transported the sun. An important place in descriptions of traditions is paid to a sacrifice. A black cock with nine crests and red legs is sacrificed to Ūsiņš. Rooster's blood was drained in horse's manger directly on oats. There was a belief, that blood, which is given to Ūsiņš, blessed the beast's home. Later during pieguļa the rooster is cooked and eaten by pieguļnieki. During pieguļa eggs are boiled and cooked into a special Ūsiņi dish – pantāga. Ūsiņš Day was held on horse market day when they were bought and sold. Ūsiņš Day was met with a rumble and great noisiness, which ties in with spring thunder nature.

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Keith B. Miller

Keith Brady Miller is professor of geology at Kansas State University in the United States. He is editor of Perspectives on an Evolving Creation (Eerdmans, 2003), an anthology of essays by prominent evangelical Christian scientists who accept theistic evolution (also called evolutionary creationism).

Since 2013, Miller has been listed on the Advisory Council of the National Center for Science Education.

He is also a prominent board member of the Kansas Citizens for Science, a not-for-profit educational organization that promotes a better understanding of science.

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User talk:Earchontopoulos

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Claus Lundekvam

Claus Lundekvam (born 22 February 1973) is a Norwegian former professional footballer who played as a centre-back. Lundekvam began his career with Brann before moving to English side Southampton in 1996 where he played until his retirement in 2008. He made a total of 413 appearances for the club, of which 290 were in the Premier League, and was the team's captain for several years. He notably played for Southampton in the 2003 FA Cup Final against Arsenal. Lundekvam was capped 40 times for Norway and often captained the national team.

Playing career
Lundekvam was a junior player for local team Selbjørn in Austevoll before joining Norwegian top flight team Brann, where he made his senior debut in 1993. He eventually earned a starting place in the team at centre-back and participated in Brann's UEFA Cup Winners' Cup campaign, before being sold to English side Southampton in July 1996. Lundekvam made his Premier League debut against Nottingham Forest on 4 September and would go on to captain Southampton for several years. He scored his first goal in the premiership against Wolverhampton Wanderers on 3 April 2004, and his second goal against Cardiff on 1 April 2006, in the Championship. Coincidentally, both teams were managed at the time by former Saints manager Dave Jones.

In 2002–03, he contributed to one of Southampton's most successful seasons in history as they finished eighth in the Premier League and reached the FA Cup final, where they lost 1–0 to Arsenal. The team was managed by Gordon Strachan, who famously joked when Lundekvam was stretchered off injured in a game against Leicester City in the 2003–04 season that he "didn't have a clue" whether the player was unconscious as "that's what he's always like".

Lundekvam remained at Southampton after their relegation from the Premier League in 2005. He went off injured after five minutes of the first game of the 2006–07 season, away to Derby County on 6 August 2006, and missed the first two months of the season. He then had a long run in the team before another injury in March put him out for another month. In a game at St Mary's against Southend United on 6 May 2007, Lundekvam fell awkwardly and sustained a serious ankle injury that put him out of action. On 18 March 2008, it was announced that his injury was to the extent that his playing career was over. Southampton rewarded Lundekvam for his service to the club that had included over 400 appearances with a testimonial match against Celtic, managed by Gordon Strachan, at St Mary's on 18 July 2008. Curiously, Lundekvam had to pay the expenses of his own testimonial match, due to the St Mary's lawn being damaged following a Bon Jovi concert the week before, but the fan turnout allowed him to recoup his budget.

International career
Lundekvam made his international debut for the Norwegian U21 team in 1994 and his senior debut for the Norwegian national team in November 1995. His first international goal, against Bosnia-Herzegovina in 2002, was the 1,000th goal in the history of the Norwegian national team. Lundekvam was capped 40 times for the national team, often as captain, and scored two goals.

Later career
Following his retirement, Lundekvam continued residing in Southampton before returning to Norway with his family. Lundekvam would later reveal that he had problems with depression, drugs and alcohol after his playing career. About his addiction he said: "I would drink two litres of hard liquor and do between five and ten grams of cocaine every day." Lundekvam got help to overcome his addiction and issues at Sporting Chance Clinic, a recovery facility for athletes set up by former Arsenal captain Tony Adams.

In July 2012, Lundekvam claimed that he, team-mates and opposing captains were involved in betting fraud during their playing days, stating that: "We could make deals with the opposing captain about, for example, betting on the first throw, the first corner, who started with the ball, a yellow card or a penalty. Those were the sorts of thing we had influence over." The allegations were later denied by Lundekvam's former team-mate and captain Francis Benali. In 2015, he released his autobiography detailing his career and struggles with addiction and mental health. Lundekvam worked regularly as a pundit for TV 2, the largest commercial broadcaster in Norway, until 2016. Lundekvam now works with the Psychiatry Alliance in Bergen to help others with mental health and drug issues by sharing his own experiences.

Honours
Brann

 * Norwegian Football Cup runner-up: 1995

Southampton Individual
 * FA Cup runner-up: 2002–03

 * Southampton Player of the Season: 2005–06

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Wingala, New South Wales

Wingala is a locality in the suburbs of North Curl Curl and Dee Why, in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia. It is within the Northern Beaches Council local government area. It refers to the Western section of Wingala Hill, which lies between the floodplains of Dee Why Lagoon and Curl Curl Lagoon, and forms Dee Why Headland where it meets the Tasman Sea.

Wingala Reserve can be found on the southern slope of Wingala Hill, on the border between Dee Why and North Curl Curl. It is a piece of crown land that demonstrates some of the vegetation that once existed all over the area.

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User:Acetic Acid/Gifts and Awards

'''This is a collage of images I have been given as gifts and/or awards. It's a bit messy, but I do ♥ randomness.'''

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Talk:Juba (sniper)

Israeli equipment?
I have seen glancing references on other sites to juba using israeli made equipment, is this true? do we have references? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.109.24 (talk) 19:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

"Juba" might not even be real
It is doubtful that "Juba" even exists. Seems more like a propaganda tool for insurgents and terrorists. 68.125.62.98
 * Well, I was looking at Faces of the Fallen in the Washington Post the other day, and it seemed like there were more sniper deaths than there used to be. Of course, I wouldn't blindly trust either of the sources.-LtNOWIS 20:50, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * They may have determined that it's a fair strategy and have decided to use it more. Also, since the article now explicitly mentions that his existence has not been proven, the concerns of 68.125.62.98 have been addressed and there's no further need for the NPOV tag. I'm going to remove it, since the current article is perfectly neutral, if, admittedly, short. 68.125.62.98's record leads me to doubt he would do it himself or I would let him handle it. 68.9.205.10 22:17, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

He is real. user:George
 * So you've met him personally? 68.9.205.10 22:17, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Don't be an ass. It's my opinion. user:George

 * I agree that Juba could well be a insurgent propaganda tool, however, a recent article mentions that sniper attacks are the 2nd largest killer of US troops, after car bombs, and excepting clashes with insurgents. I have asked a friend, who has confirmed from a contact of his that this is indeed the case, which seems to support the case that there is more than one sniper operating. However, if the insurgents do have a particular sniper operating, he is unlikely to be camping as suggested, and rather hitting certain targets, as a higher profile sniper would. Any links are welcome.
 * --The1exile 18:38, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

The insurgents themselves never insisted on a "Juba Sniper" existing, this was started by the US military. They themselves nicknamed the sniper "Juba". Man appearing in Juba 2nd compilation says himself that there are many Juba snipers, if one is killed that does not mean that the attacks will stop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.214.204.164 (talk) 18:41, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly, according to the statements in the second video, it seems like IAI recognises "Juba" more as a collective term for their snipers, instead of the name of a single guy. Quote: "The enemy must know there are hundreds of Juba". Malangyar (talk) 23:38, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

A large part of the article seems NPOV.
 * Example? --Irishpunktom\talk 19:34, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

This page is neutral. I don't know what people are talking about. user:George

Its very unlikely, that all shots fired on the video are done by the same person. If it was only one person, they would track him down very fast, because he would have to travel very much. If he stayed in the same region, he would get caught even faster. (84.155.208.198 18:04, 8 January 2006 (UTC)).

JUBA might be a group. Visiting the website http://www.jubaonline.org/ today, I saw this (in French): La Deuxième partie du "Sniper de Baghdad" reprenant une partie des opérations de l'unité de snipers de Baghdad (JUBA) effectuée cette année, causant la mort de 668 soldats croisés, i.e.: "The second part of [the video] 'Baghdad sniper', resuming a part of of the operations of the Baghdad snipers unit (JUBA) carried on this year, causing the death of 668 cruzader soldiers." This seems to indicate JUBA is a group. Is it an acronym? Would "-BA" stand for "Baghdad"? Ensjo 12:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I think this whole story is a huge hoax to promote terrorist actions. Also, considering the lack of notability of this "mysterious person", I'd rather see this article deleted, if possible. Let's see if others agree with me.--89.26.192.174

 * You should read up on the definition of terrorism. Attacking invading soldiers is not terrorism, as it's not designed to coerce a population by the use or threat of use of force.  I'd be very surprised if this article is deleted. Dave420 (talk) 13:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Video links
I'm not a fan of using megaupload or yousendit in these cases, since the links go bad after a time. I say they should be removed, or moved to permenant hosting. humblefool®Deletion Reform 01:33, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I would agree, but I don't want them removed till a stable surce is found --Irishpunktom\talk 19:01, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

how is this page NPOV? let's remove that

Sethie 19:53, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Video links ethically not right
In this article there are links to long videos which shows US Soldiers beeing killed by a sniper! I think that's ethically not right to link to videos which are glorifying the killing of people! User:Echalone 19:38, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not censored - ethically or otherwise. BD2412  T 20:19, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
 * And what's next? Child pornography in the Paedophilia Article?? So there's at least some sort of censorship! I definatly think glorifying of the killing of human beings should be censored... and if you watch those videos you will see that they are clearly glorifying the killing of people! Wikipedia should be a neutral encyclopedia... glorifying the killing of human beings isn't neutral.User:Echalone 01:43, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Child porn would be illegal, whereas (so far as I know) links to video of war deaths are not. That being said, I have no intention of adding such links, or of restoring such links if they are deleted, as they do nothing to enhance the encyclopedic nature of the article. BD2412  T 01:58, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

How is it unethical? If you somehow tricked someone to watch them without them knowing, you could argue that you had slighlty harmed someone, please elaborate on how you view this as morally wrong?

The glorification of killing? I mean, it is part of the human experience... you may not like it, I may not like it, and, certain people cheer when certain people are killed. It happens in war, it happens in with the death penalty, it happens when criminals shoot each other. I warmly welcome you to view the glorification of killing as unethical, and if you view it as such, you have a much bigger fight on your hands then this article.

I am not in the mood to watch those vidoes, however I am skeptical that the intent or function of the vidoes is to glorify killing.

Keep them. What an amazing resource, wiki is, the good, the bad and the ugly, and with multimedia!

Sethie 08:39, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Despite the... unorthodox content of the video material, I have to agree. If it's not illegal, it should be up here so everyone can access the information and judge it on his own. [[Image:Flag of Austria.svg|15px]] ナイトスタリオン ✉ 09:36, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Since when is killing people on video legal? If we linked to a video of an American child being sexually assualted, it wouldn't be legal just because the Americans never caught the person on the video who did it. Likewise, it isn't legal to link to videos of people killing other people, whether they be terrorists or Americans.

 * You said "I am not in the mood to watch those vidoes, however I am skeptical that the intent or function of the vidoes is to glorify killing."... but if you would watch them you would clearly see that there is a, to me sounding pretty happy, arabian music in the background and it's clearly like a commercial video for killing americans. It seems to be one of those terrorist videos which should glorify their doings (like the last statements of suecide bombers in Palestina). The Videos seemed to be shot BY the sniper himself, between each killed soldier there is a intro to the next killing... its definatly glorifying and therefor should be banned. If you argue about illegal context it it will get pretty complex since wikipedia is a global project and there are different laws in each country! To refer to child pornography again: In the EU child pornography is every video or picture document with nude male or female people under 18, whereas in other countries it is only child pornography if they are under 14. So, you see, there are different laws in different countries! We can't simply settle on the definition "we show what's legal" since this is a very dubious definition on the internet. And in the United States (or other countries which are on a fanatic hunt for terrorists) such videos could possibly be interpreted as terrorist properties and therefor be illegal. (since it's apparently a promotional video of a terrorist) User:Echalone 11:57, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

 * By the way: Such images and videos which are glorifying the killing of people and showing their moment of death for the propaganda of one party (like terrorists) is pretty sure a violation against the Geneva Convetion and/or the human rights (as well as the "European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms" and severel other international rights) User:Echalone 12:44, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Facts: ~there is arabic music in the background ~there is music in it. some people would say that some of it sounds happy ~it appears to be shot by the snipers

Interpretations (your thoughts about the facts): ~it is glorifying the killing ~it is like a commerical video for killing americans ~Any film shot by terrorists "is illegal" ~it is a promotional video of terrorism

What do you mean it is illegal? Illegal to own, to watch, to have, to show? Whether something was shot by terrorists or not doesn't mean it is "terrorist property," nor does it mean it is illegal. By your thinking, any film that terrorist have shot MUST NOT be shown to anyone. News shows however show terrorist shot footage all the time.

If the video flat out SAID- "Hey- go kill Americans, it's cool, it's fun!" it would still be news, and would still be worthy of looking at. See WWII propaganda- which is definately more overt then these videos: http://www.teacheroz.com/WWIIpropaganda.htm

Some preacher recently said, "We (the US) needs to go kill the leader of Venezuala. We need to take him out." Should we censor that?

I agree with Nightstallion, let people draw their own conclusions!

If the video MADE people go out and kill Americans and become terrorists, I would agree with you, take it off. However, look at the effect it had on you- it made you mad at the people who shot it. So if it is a recruitment/glorification video- it obviously is a very INNEFFECTIVE one.

Showing videos of someone's death for political purposes MAY be against the Geneeva convention... I don't know. Quote me the particular section and I'll listen.

However, do you really believe that is what this Wiki is for? Is this Wiki a terrorist promotion center? If you can show that this is the case, that this is not a neutral presentation of facts of actual occurances, like any other footage of violence we can see on the news or the net, then ok.

I have now watched it. Yuck. I am guessing that the video was designed with the intent to celebrate those deaths.

However, you haven't convinced me (or apparently anyone else on this page) that this is reason to censor it.

Sethie 20:11, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I have changed it from a dispute over context to a dispute over neutrality nomination since I think I made a mistake there... I also added the line 'This article contains explicit videos that some may find uncomfortable. Discretion is advised.' to the beginning of the article like I have seen it in the Nanking Massacre article. I also added the line 'be advised that this may be a terrorist propaganda video and glorifies the killing of people.' to each link of a maybe terrorist propaganda video. I think that would maybe be an acceptable compromise for all. Even if I'm still for the deleting of the links, I think that lines at least keeps up some sort of neutrality to the wikipedia since you simply can't show such videos without comment in my opinion. (For example: In Austria old Nazi propaganda videos are sometimes shown in cinemas with a following discussion about what you just have seen. It's importand to clarify the context of propaganda so it's loosing it's effect and moreover makes you aware [and hopefully immune] of propaganda) User:Echalone 23:05, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

I am enjoying that you did that- I was going to propose something similar....

What I like about your changes: ~using the word "may" as in "may be terrorist propoganda ~that it is an attempt to satisfy both your desires, wiki's neutrility and some of the other people's desires

There are two changes I would like: ~I don't like the wording you used, "Glorifying the killing of people," it is too interprative for my tastes ~I don't like that the same sentence is repeated three times.

I would like ONE sentence that is a little more neutral, right above the video links, something like: Some of these links below lead to graphic videos, some of which seem to celebrate the killings that occur in them.

What I am after is the most neutral descriptive, description.

For now, I'll just leave it as is and see if others have thoughts.

peace, Sethie 23:17, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, I think your proposal for one neutral sentence above the video links and the changing from "glroifying the killing of people" to "some of which seem to celebrate the killings that occur in them" seems ok to me. I would support this decision. Thanks for your positiv thoughts. User:Echalone 15:39, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

thank you... i like solutions both people feel comfortable with! :) Sethie 20:48, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Have any of you watched Fox or CNN news since the start of the invasion? They are 24/7 commercials for glorifying of the killing of Arab peoples.

Ugh god. Stop talking about how this video violates your Geneva Convention rights. The Geneva convention does not apply to civilians. Swatjester 10:23, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Odd, last I checked the Fourth Geneva Convention does. GreatGatsby 01:32, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Stop talking like the sniper is a terrorist. He's not. He's a warrior. He is shooting people who are armed with tanks and rifles. He is killing the same people that kills his people and kin. He is a soldier standing against the invaders. Stop talking of him like he was some sort of criminal. Given the circumstances, he's nothing short of a hero.

Sign your comments. We are all neutral here on wikipedia, don't accuse us of calling Juba a terrorist. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. --The1exile 13:12, 5 February 2006 (UTC) In a war, homicide is legal. Furthermore juba is targeting uniformed soldiers and not civilians, something that cant be said of the people he's shooting. I think the problem some people have with these "videos" is that it shows u.s soldiers being owned by an unseen enemy and that gives them the willies. I'm sure these same people who have a problem with these videos dont mind the videos of un seen war planes hitting some mosque killing people. War's a bitch and a two way street, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

 * People seem to be confusing the legality of making a video like this with watching one. The argument of "why don't we have videos of children being abused in child abuse articles" is flawed, because watching AND making those videos is illegal, whereas watching a video of someone being shot is not illegal (even if killing the person is illegal).  I know it's not easy to watch (that's the whole point), but it certainly isn't illegal. Dave420 (talk) 13:38, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Re-Write
I have re-written the article in a way which I believe is better. I also removed the small piece at the bottom which was a direct quote from the article in the Guardian Unlimited as its inclusion was in contravention of the Guardian Unlimited's terms and conditions (Section three, paragraph three). --cheese-cube 06:32, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

NPOV?
I don't know what this page was like when the NPOV check was posted, however, it seems neutral to me now. I propose if after a week there are no major objections, the NPOV be removed.

Any thoughts, feelings, etc, feel free to post em here.

peace, Sethie 06:54, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree the neutrality issue seems to have been resolved. --cheese-cube 07:03, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

I have postet the NPOV check so I feel free to remove it now (since it seemed I was also the only one who had problems with the article). I also feel the neutrality issue has been solved. I'm happy with the solution we have found. Thx for your support in this discussion! User:Echalone 14:02, 27 November 2005 (UTC) I added NPOV to this article since it seems to have an unsupported anti-Israeli bias. The first external link is to a Holocaust denial & other conspiracy theories website. Whoever orignally created this article needs to come up with some real sources or I may have to recommend this article for deletion. Any article that talks about Israel and Jordan jointly running an Arab terrorist training camp with "death chants" written by American Jewish songwriters needs to have pages and pages of supporting documentation, not the non-existant support given here!Iwalters 02:32, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Suggest removing the references to Israeli provocateurs and supposed 'false-flag' terorrism training camps, related chants and certainly the 'highly' questionable linked blog. Where is the suppoting evidence ? What justification for removing the entire article given the Guardian report, the video footage and similar disparate and corroborating supporting references re a 'Juba'(s) ? The analysis re the possible use of a digital camera synched to the snipers rifle re the actual footage appears valid though.

On second thought, deletion would be extreme, since there is, via the Guardian article some evidence that US forces think this guy exists. How ever, these totally unsupported assertions linking JUBA to Israel either need to be supported by the creator[and without citing to Holocaust denial websites] or I'm going to delete them. Iwalters 13:06, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

--- You should not immediately rule out "holocaust denial websites". Holocaust revisionism represents a serious historical endeavor to sort truth from propaganda.

 * I think you should rule out such a web site. In Austria the denying of the holocaust isn't a serious historical endeavor, it is a serious criminal offence! If you are saying, the holocaust was just a lie, you are a criminal in my country! And I absolutely agree with the law of my country in this question. User:Echalone 17:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Tag removed
I've gone ahead and removed the {npov} tag for now, because as far as I can tell it was related to the presence of fringe allegations of links to Israel - as far as I can tell there's a rough consensus that they should not be included in the article. If someone disagrees, and feels that the article is still not sufficiently neutral, please feel free to re-add the {npov} tag, or, better yet, fix the problem. CDC (talk) 19:29, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Eliminating Israeli links?
Classifying a [*removed as it was triggering the spam filter*]as 'Holocaust denial', and then eliminating the link is wrong. There are US Marine lives at stake, and this censorship is adding to possible fatalities.

Why the name Juba?
Leaving aside the videos issue, why is the sniper/s known as Juba? Lisiate 02:28, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I have no idea. Great question. Anyone know why?--Mimbster 22:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

 * It's a nickname. Ask the soldiers who came up with it, but I doubt if you will find them on Wikipedia. --The1exile 16:35, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

"Juba" was a pouplar name in the area(Mesopotamia) in ancient times, including some Kings and so forth. not sure if its still a popular given name.K.B.

 * I was aware of the ancient Jubas but they're North African - Mauretania and Numidia. Lisiate 20:57, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

 * If you search for "Juba" in Google news will come up with nearly 500 references to Sudan, and hardly any on the sniper. When looking for the sniper I usually use this search string because of the trouble in separating the articles. No matter how much we speculate though the name is "Juba" and no reason we come up with here can be published because of Wikipedia policy on Original Research. --The1exile - Talk - Contribs -[[Image:Flag of Denmark.svg|15px]] 16:54, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I read this article a while back about the Americans looking for him in bushes and buildings.
And I recently just watched the videos. If that is him shouldn't they look for in cars? He's obviously hidden in a vehicle since he always is always lined up to a sidewalk and attacking road patrols!

Read carefully, in the article "Each time in these incidents a single bullet casing and a note have been found at the location where the sniper was believed to have been. The message, in Arabic, "What has been taken in blood cannot be regained except by blood. Baghdad Sniper". These items were found after the sniper attack when buildings were scoured by U.S. forces." We can negate the possibility that Juba has allies, or is a group of insurgents and the evidences are placed by Juba's companions, in order to trick the coalition force to assume Juba shot from buildings.

---Ah just read the "rumors of capture" section. Looks like I may have been right about his techniques. If that was him, but there may be more than one Juba for all we know. I remember watching a similar video of a failed attack that led to that capture of the sniper and cameraman who operated almost identically. Addition: OMG, new stuff aded in that ecact section says it was the excact incident of the medic getting shot I described.-Original poster.

--- no dude the shots arent coming from where the camera is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.0.182.93 (talk) 05:24, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

"Technique" section
Are there any citations for the details in the "Technique" section - about "getting comfortable" and the "perfect shot"? This reads like unverifiable original research. CDC (talk) 00:43, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps "getting comfortable" means get prepared - prepare for the shot, the removal of evidences, the escape routes and the next sniping spots, I think. I have never handled real guns so, maybe we need a sniper to help elaborate the terms. Unsigned edit by User:221.127.154.11.

The problem is that if this is based on some sort of generalities about how snipers operate, it's just speculation about how this sniper works. I removed the section - the only thing in it that seems to be substantiated by the external links is that s/he only shoots one person at a time, and this is already mentioned in the first paragraph. CDC (talk) 23:02, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I added that section. To tell the truth I didn't have any proof that he did those things except for what people said on a forum, which is where i got all the information from. Which was a bad thing of me to have done, and I'd like to appologise. I'm sorry. But I have learned my lesson. And i don't post non-factual information or information i can't prove any more... Frexe 10:48, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Israeli bias over American patriots?
This rifle and video cam are Israeli, and American lives are at stake. This board seems to be made up of dual citizens

-There is no proof of that. The only "evidence" that can be provided is from some crackpot site that blames zionism for every evil in the world. Not that's bias. --Someguy 08:17, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Footage of what are allegedly Juba attacks, debunk the Isreali theory anyway. First in the "official video compilation" released by the insurgents themselves one segment shows the camera's POV looking through the telescopic sight. So it's not a Rafael camera system which is mounted by the side. Second the Corner Shot weapon system which the site accuses the sniper of using can only attatch pistols currently and not a high powered rifle that the military says he is using. Third the incident mentioned in the "rumors of capture" section was filmed as well. If the shooter really was Juba (if he exists), we know he didn't have a a fancy system or Israeli rifle. The vid shows that they were filmed by his pal with a camcorder who seemingly panicked at one part and pointed the camera down at part of an ordinary rifle which reports state was a Dragunov.

Cite your sources next time pal before turning accusations into "fact". With your ludicrous argument that simply because he uses Israeli weapons (which is untrue) he's automatically an israeli, I can say Soviets are behind the rebel activity. I mean so many of them have an affinity with the AK 47, RPG-7 and of course Juba's Dragunov SVD which are all Soviet weapons.
 * ---They're not really 'Soviet' weapons as you claim. True they may have been of Russian design (even though the AK47 was adapted from a German WW2 design -MP44), but AKs, RPGs and Dragunovs are unfortunately manufactured all over the world, and in alarmingly high qauntities.

-hey for all who dont know its not that hard to get that stuff.- [laleluloli]

"Rumors of capture" section
I'm going to remove the "Rumors of capture" section as well - the linked source, to Army Times, doesn't say anything about Juba (and is from before the linked Guardian article, for that matter). I think making this connection is original research. CDC (talk) 23:08, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I dont think you should be making that call. I have heard about this before and its not giving any facts, just rumors...like the title says. And plus the article wasnt meant to show the story of the soldier shot by the sniper, thats all. unsigned message by Someguy.

Since the factuality of this is disputed, how about providing a news article or source? Sethie 06:23, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Per Verifiability, Wikipedia isn't the right place for rumors; we need to stick to what credible, published, external sources tell us. Have the (anonymous?) military commander's "hints" about Juba's capture been reported anywhere? I'm not going to revert this section right now, but I will put a {disputed} tag on it until we clear this up. CDC (talk) 19:19, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Since we cannot find where a military person said this, maybe we can remove that part and leave the part about a sniper with a comfortable sniping nest has been captured.

Hey I'm the OP who made the "I read this article a while back about the Americans looking for him in bushes and buildings" discussion topic. I also referenced that excact video of Stephen Tschiderer getting shot and mentioned how similar the videos are and how it seems like he operates in a car. If that sniper is really is him, I'm luckier than I thought.

Not that it helps, since the link isn't for public dissemination, but I've seen documents verifying that the above referenced case was indeed the so called "juba sniper" Swatjester 10:24, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

warnings above videos
User Echalone and I came to an agreement about the warnings over the vidoes, we settled on: Some of these links below lead to graphic videos, some of which seem to celebrate the killings that occur in them.

Please read our discussion and comment here.

Personally I was not 100% satisfied with the line we came up with, however I am 0% satisfied with having no warning about graphic videos. Sethie 23:59, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

 * What if instead of a warning, the link is changed to a better, but carefully neutral, description of what the video shows - that way the reader can decide for themselves whether it's something they want to see. I'd suggest "Video compilation of Juba attacks, showing US soldiers being shot and killed" (possibly insert "allegedly" before "showing" - not sure).
 * Regarding "seeming to celebrate" the killings - in the text, we can mention credible media sources that describe this "celebration" aspect, but saying something "seems" to be so without a citation is original research.
 * The version of the warning I removed the other day also described the videos as propaganda. Propaganda is a hugely loaded term - what's propaganda and what's not depends greatly on who's speaking and who's listening, so it's not neutral for us to declare those videos propaganda. I trust our readers enough to figure they can recognize things that they believe to be propaganda without it being pointed out, and to decide what sort of video they want to see. CDC (talk) 02:04, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Wowsa- are you suggesting building the website yourself? Sethie 02:19, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't understand what you mean. By "changing the link", I was referring to modifying the text on the encyclopedia page that is linked to the external site. Is that what you are responding to? CDC (talk) 03:19, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Miscommunication, gotcha. "Video compilation of Juba attacks, showing US soldiers being shot and killed"

Works for me. Of course, the videos are much more then that, though I do not know how to describe it in a neutral way.... Sethie 00:08, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Change to the type of sniper rifle
In a previous version of the article, it was mentioned that Juba used a Tobuk sniper rifle (whatever that is, I can find no reference to this model). However, now someone has changed this to mention that the supposed Juba who was captured used an SVD. Can anyone provide evidence for this? See WP:CS.

I find this one, where the sniper was captured.

There sniper who was caught used a modified Dragunov Sniper Rifle. (84.155.223.248 18:08, 8 January 2006 (UTC))

There is a link at the bottom of the Juba sniper page that hosts a video of "Juba", and in the video he's showing a very modified AK-47 designed rifle, i'm not too sure as to what rifle it is though. have a look for yourself: http://rapidshare.de/files/7538300/juba-training.wmv.html Frexe 13:19, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

The Guardian article referred to a Tobuk - they meant a Tabuk. It's an Iraqi-made sniper rifle based on the AK-47. If the video shows a "very modified AK-47" then it's probably a Tabuk. From Google: http://www.pmulcahy.com/sniper_rifles/iraqi_sniper_rifles.htm

i like to get a hold of the video if some one could tell me were i could find a link thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankkuppe (talk • contribs)

I seem to be finding huge problems here
This whole article has been reworked, and so now we have a section which has nothing but a tag on it, with a "see also" list of templates followed by poorly edited content stuck in a wrong section. Personally I was happier before any mention of who, how, if or when "Juba" was captured has seemingly dragged this article down to a lower level of quality. I am going to attempt a re-write, but not reversions, as this has got out of hand now. --The1exile 02:00, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Not a total rewrite, but I have removed the tag, as the information has been verified at as actually being in the main truthful. A further warning has been posted at the top of the page regarding the videos. Any Inquiries should come down here, I will attempt to change and improve this article another time when I am not so busy or indeed tired. Read the new version; if you disagree please don't put a tag on the article or section, but instead spend your time writing your arguments here and citing sources. I dont want to destroy anyones work, but do read the warning on the editing pages if you have a problem, under more information. --The1exile 02:15, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Two problems here: First, per Reliable sources, blogs are not considered reliable sources (see the section "personal websites as secondary sources"). Second, neither the blog entry nor the Army Times link in it mentions a "Juba", just the capture of an unnamed sniper. The linked media sources in the article do call the sniper by name.  If a media source quoted someone vaguely credible saying something like "we think the guy we caught might be the guy we were calling Juba", then we'd have something. As it is right now, the only place I'm seeing this link between this unnamed sniper being caught and the mysterious "Juba" is here on Wikipedia. Thus this is unsourced original research. CDC (talk) 17:33, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I understand your arguments here. I can understand why you might not be certain that Juba has been captured, see the title "Rumours of capture", reinforcing that no-one has confirmed that Juba has been captured/killed/disabled etc. What would you do, remove the whole section? Then we become guilty of not informing the reader of this article about Juba's possible capture. The media is relatively silent on Juba (a conspiracy perhaps? ;) so verifying any information on this page is a difficult task, the guardian article is this articles equivalent of gold dust, explain your problem more clearly please. --The1exile 23:48, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

On a different subject, I have added two other websites to the list of references as one has direct mentions to a video of "Juba's" "top ten kills". The other, Jubaonline.net has references on this page, but is in Arabic I believe so I cannot comment on the content. Any controversy on naming should be said down here. --The1exile 11:59, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Why do you wish to place "The links provided at the bottom of the page are purely for information purposes and as such may be biased or unethical in their content" INSIDE of the article?

Why not above the link section? Sethie 21:31, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I am not sure if I completely understand your argument. I place the warning at the end of the introduction, as some people might read the introduction and disregard the rest of the article as itis about capture at this moment in time. Also, there are further warnings on the links themselves; if you are suggesting that there is an over-abundancy of warnings then I must point you to the fact that it is better to have an article with more warnings than neccessary than one with no warnings at all. --The1exile 21:59, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

First off, I am making no arguement, hence your lack of understanding makes sense! :)

I like "The lack of reliable or verifiable information about "Juba" has made it hard to provide accurate and neutral viewpoints."

I don't like: "The links provided at the bottom of the page are purely for information purposes and as such may be biased or unethical in their content." placed where it is.

>as some people might read the introduction and disregard the rest of the article as itis about capture at this moment in time. That is possible. It is also possible they might read the first paragraph, skip your warning and go to the videos; they might read the first three paragraphs and get so excited that they jump right to the videos! They might only read every 3rd word. Who knows? Trying to predict possible reader's patterns.... good luck!

I've had it with this page, in the last month, yours is the 6th attempt at a warning! Do whatever you want, I am unwatching it. Claim Juba is Donald Duck, or that the videos are dangerous to not watch! Sethie 22:24, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Someone changing the rumours of capture section
Someone has added to the rumours of capture section, with comments that are POV. The information is fine if it can be verified, which I have no problem with, but the wording "alleged" and "he is alive and well" are pushing POV. See the above discussion; I think you have disregarded it. If there is no response soon then I will revert. --The1exile 15:51, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Juba is a propaganda tool
Juba was the nickname of an American soldier. The Guardian reporter falsly quoted an American Officer and basically created this myth. The terrorists have used this in a brilliant propaganda war...

Six letters and a colon should resolve this, WP:CITE. Also, "brilliant propaganda war" is POV. Finally, sign your comments! --The1exile 19:40, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Removed video links
I removed links to videos violating WP:NOT (they are propaganda and also unverified info). There is no reason why, just because these videos exist, they should be linked on wikipedia. If somebody wishes to find the videos they can use google. As it is, these clips are competely unverified, and thus should not be linked to from the article. Of course, if they can be supported with evidence then they can be replaced, but only if they are supported.

I also removed a link to a supposed official website. There was nothing to support that claim whatsoever. Mushintalk 21:09, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The video clips have been repeatedly added to the article, and I have been forced to leave them remaining. There has been no discussion on the talk page regarding the re-insertion of the video links. I have edited the descriptions of these video links to make quite clear that they do not neccessarily show anything that is connected to "Juba". As for the "official site", that has nothing claiming to be the official site of "Juba". Anybody can make a website and post a link to it here. Without verification it does not belong. Mushintalk 13:17, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Mushin, earlier discussions showed that we cannot accurately predict the effect of the videos with viewers of this article. We placed warnings, but had problems with phrasing of them. All in all we did everything we could to try and prevent any POV whatsoever, but could not come to a satisfactory conclusion. And I believe the Jawa report said the banner above will take you to Jubas official website. Naturally this would be disputed, so the message here read "Apparently Juba's official website. Meanwhile you entered the chat, reverted the links and appeared to disregard the earlier discussions. --The1exile 16:33, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I appreciate that no consensus was reached previously. For that reason I have left the video clips in the article, albeit with a wording that leaves no ambiguity about the evidence in them, or lack thereof. As for the 'official website', even if it stays, the wording "allegedly" is a lot more clear than "apparently", which is based on POV. It needs to remain clear at all times that the material contained in these links is NOT verified, therefore it is alleged and not apparent that they show "Juba" at all. Mushintalk 16:43, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. We did have another warning message here before, but I'm not sure where it got to. Leave out "Jubas official website" if you want, but leave the Jawa report in, as that has a link and references to it. "Allegedly" is fine with me, add it to all the links if you want. --The1exile 16:49, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Glad we could reach an agreement. It can always evolve to another wording later, as long as it doesn't go back to what it was before! Mushintalk 17:09, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I've re-removed the links that violate WP:NOT, WP:EL and WP:RS. ⇒   SWAT Jester    Ready    Aim    Fire!  16:38, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Evident conflict with WP:NOT in "1.10 Wikipedia is not censored" -- the videos are integral to the story, they are the story. Not only have you removed the video links due to a personal stance on WP:NOT, but you don't even include reference to the fact that the videos were linked are have been removed, thereby causing many to wonder "why does this article talk so much about Juba videos but there are no links". It is not irrelevant propaganda if the videos are central to the entire story.

Video descriptions incorrect!!
This entire article needs a re-write. "Juba may be the world record holder for having sex with a goat?" Yeah, I think that's pretty POV.

The video intitled "juba in training" has nothing to do with juba or IAI, it's a video of another group, "mujahideen central command" shows what they say is modification of a gun (I think AK) by their engineers, some aspects of the modification(s) allow it to be used for sniping, and they show a sniping test-run. Nothing related to Juba at all!
 * Remove it then. Mushintalk 14:20, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

More news articles regarding Juba, but I might need some help with this one
Can someone give advice on whether or not to include this article? The Sydney Morning Herald reported this, and although it never mentions Juba directly I found it when doing a google news search for Juba. Just confused about whether it's relevant. --The1exile 17:03, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, should have been clearer. The article DOES mention Juba, but only on the second page and beyond, and he is not the main subject, and I believe he is only mentioned as a well known insurgent. --The1exile - Talk - Contribs 19:55, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I would personally vote against including that in this article, though I hope we have another WP article that could use it. Sadly I don't think we have a "The role of Internet in the Iraq conflict" article...yet! There's a new goal for you! *grins* Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 16:54, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Ok, I'll make that my new goal. However, I have found that there is a picture of an American soldier in the ABC news report. If no-one objects I think we should include this. Any thoughts? --The1exile - Talk - Contribs -[[Image:Flag of Denmark.svg|15px]] 17:49, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to Edit your thread Exile, but is the video still up anywhere to view? or has it been taken down becasue of the whole killing aspect of it? - Ash

"The Defeat of Juba" is lacking sources...
Where are the sources, let alone specifics, for the information in the "Defeat of Juba" section of the article? A claim that he has been killed is significant information, therefore I feel there is a great need for verification and sources. It may or may not be false information.

A Google search for "Zarqurihi" turns up nothing, and a Yahoo! search returns only this article. Because of this, and a lack of evidence to otherwise give belief that is valid information, I am marking it as dubious.

Any help/comments? --Lan56 04:55, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Who is Zarqurihi? I'm assuming he meant Zarqawi (who was not an Iraqi warlord, but a Jordanian insurgent leader in Iraq). Even so, what does that have to do with Juba? This is section is very poorly written, obviously by someone who has absolutely no knowledge of Iraq. --Zeyad w 1:24, 26 September, 2006 (GMT+2:00)

 * Section removed.--Lan56 03:56, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

rewriting
rewrote the article a bit to make it clearer and more NPOV. Screwed up the refs, but don't have time to fix them. Wachholder0 14:18, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

There are many "claims" and "supposedly" and "alleged" as well as "appearing to be" and other words that make the article seem like a half-hearted attempt. This ought to be cleared up. You do not see any article saying that: "Supposed U.S. forces claim to have killed insurgents, showing a video of what appears to be Iraqi individuals falling, after the sound of what is alleged to be gunfire is heard". 211.25.50.10 13:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC) did not register...

IF no one objects, I would like to remove some of the 'allegedly's plaguing this article. Unflavoured 09:18, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Possible explanation for name 'Juba'
Juba, whose name is taken from an African death dance

It is not clear that the times has a solid source for their claim as to the selection of the name Juba.

Links to the video
why are the links to the videos not anymore?

Why the HELL is this article on wiki? is wiki no allowing articles of fairy tales and ghosties and goblins? wow this site started well but has REALLY gone down hill, the wiki admins should be pretty damn ashamed of themselves for allowing this sort of crap to go into an encyclopedia....

Nominated article for deletion
This looks pretty bad being on wikipedia, I just wrote out many reasons why but the spam filter was triggered so I'll make it short this time.

1.There is NO proof this person exists. 2.The videos that are meant to be of him, listen to the voices, they're completly different. 3.The videos do not contain a mans image that can be compared. 4.The videos do not contain anyone claiming to be Juba. 5.Its obvious this Juba person is made up by insurgents to boost morale and spirit of other insurgents. 6.WIKIPEDIA IS NOT A PROPAGANDA TOOL! 7.This article serves only to glorify the killing of innocent people. 8.If this article MUST stay then it should be made VERY clear that there is ZERO evidence he exists and is a made up person.

If someone would like to explain as to why this article even manage to get here in the first place I'd be grateful, as I find it pretty poor that it was allowed to be here this long. I could come up with 10 more reasons as to why this shouldnt be here but I think the eight I already provided are MORE than enough to delete it.

 * The article was created because the "Baghdad sniper", real or not, has been written about in many respectable news sources, like The Times, The Guardian , Reuters , The Independent , The New York Times , ABC News , and so forth.
 * Please review wp:deletion and wp:npov. I doubt the issues you mention merit deletion. If you think the article is inaccurate, perhaps you should consider improving it by inserting additional information. Wachholder0 03:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Article deserves to stay, whether Juba exists or not. Deleting this article just because someone thinks its propaganda would be same as deleting Peter Pan. Clearly, boys can't fly. I've added hopeflly objective description of two videos, feel free to correct/change. Videos are available along with many others on http://www.terroristmedia.com/nukem/ but you have to register. No, I don't think the links to the videos should be included.

site of juba
here site of juba http://www.jubaonline.org/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.132.196.215 (talk) 03:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC).

Conspiracy theory on the identity and M.O. of Juba the Sniper
The popular conspiracy theory web site Judicial Inc have the web page on Juba the Sniper explaining what the author suspects is of Israeli origin (part of the Mossad intelligence unit) by showing how Juba record the video of sniping hits for the purpose of fostering enemy propaganda by deception. Because the URL of a particular web site have been blacklisted (put on spam filter due to possible political bias), I advise Googling the words "judicial inc juba" and click on the first link. G.O.L.A.Z. 09:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Wrong Rifle name
If I recall correctly it is not Dragunov but Al Kadesiah. While you folks will call these two are the same, but the fact is they cannot be called the same. Another example is Canadian C7A2 VS American M16A2. They arent the same. granted they're both assault rifle but you cannot put it as the same. Sort of like Chinese people and African American. Kullwarrior —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.149.170.5 (talk) 04:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Considering Dragunov is Soviet origin, a good example might be the finnish Rk-62 vs Ak-47 (having bigger structural differences of course but the concept of working is still very much the same). And yes, indeed it's Al Kadesiah. None of the parts between Al Kadesiah and Dragunov are compatible as far as I know so so so.. 88.115.187.49 (talk) 12:57, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Background story
Juba watched his 14 year old daughter being killed by an American sniper and thus he swore to revenge this injustice. Maybe? I don't know. Watched Baghdad sniper 3 at Youtube and I think that's what the message was. Should this perhaps be added to the article or is it too unAmerican? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.220.36.110 (talk) 20:07, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Not 'unAmerican' at all, just completely unverifiable. This article has a lot of unverifiable claims, and very little in the way of facts. Mushintalk 17:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008
Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 19:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Having problems with another JUBA
I have seen another JUBA video, but the location is in Falluja, west of Baghdad. At the beginning of the video, a piece of words came out and JUBA killed several soldiers. The background music is "lions of Falluja"(kind of nasheed). At the end of the video, JUBA pasted his picture and a picture of his family. The video has disappeared recently, but I have a copy of it.I uploaded a few pictures got from the video here.

http://fallujasurvivor.blogspot.com/

I'm not quite sure whether it is JUBA.

The 4th Baghdad sniper
Recently the 4th Baghdad Sniper has came out. In this video, we could not spot Juba, I wonder whether Juba exists —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fallujasurvivor (talk • contribs) 15:32, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

The name Juba
His name is Ali Nazar Al-Jubory and he was captured by Iraqi forces in August 2006 in eastern Baghdad during shooting on Shia piligrims and but escaped few days later but he was killed the next year ( 2007)by Americans in western Baghdad.

Source : me Iraqi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.8.246.12 (talk) 07:38, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Well the insurgents uploaded a video in 2008 proving to the world that he has not been killed. If he is a sniper, than it will be very difficult to find or kill him. Finally, provide references and quotes to your statement otherwise it will be considered false and a opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.154.84 (talk) 11:26, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Discrepancies
This page says 645 kills (which, in itself, is probably a lie, as that is gunna be very hard to achieve. Vry few eve got above that in WWII, where they didn't have body armour), the Guardian link says in the region of 12, other pages say between 45 and 20 kills. Seeming as we are not going to be able to get an accurate figure, should we not just replace the numbers that we are giving with something like 'a large number'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamish MacKellar (talk • contribs) 12:47, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Stop linking "terrorism" portal to his page. Just because he is shooting to kill invading soldiers does not make him a terrorist. Look up the definition of terrorism before you link anything to it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.154.84 (talk) 11:44, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

IAI
This acronym is referenced in the article but no shortening is specified. There's no widely accepted acronym relevant to this and shouldn't be used here Jellinator (talk) 23:23, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:Juba (sniper)


text:
Talk:Bhrikuti

She did not exist
It is clear from modern historical research that Bhrikuti did not exist, she was made up in order to give Srong brtsan sgam po two wives. He is supposed to be an emination of Spyan ras gzigs, and the latter has two wives. Excellent evidence for this is that while the Chinese wife Wencheng is supposed to be an emination of Tara, Bhrikuti is an emenation of the goddess Bhrikuti of the same name.

No old Tibetan or Nepalese documents mention her. Even if she were a historical person she would be an extremely minor one, so I would suggest eliminating this article all together.

Actually, there is evidence that she existed. See new talk topic for reference. AD64 (talk) 00:33, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

burnt much
And no I am not a deeply saddened hippocritical Tibetan asshole, who wants to rewrite history. Yeah why not eliminate an article about someone who is responsible for spreading Buddhism in Tibet, just because it doesn't help to promote bullshit propoganda

just to inform
Songstan Gampo is said to have five wives not two. one from china, one from nepal, one from shangshung kingdom(west tibet), one from minyak noble family(east tibet) and one from his own kingdom yarlung(central tibet). More importance is given to Bikruti and Wengchen as they are outsider and considered as prize trophy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.124.17.107 (talk) 17:45, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Can we confirm this?
Your evidence sounds convincing, however, can you provide and cite a source for the information? I'll leave it up for now, but if you can't provide a source, it may be deleted by someone else. However, if you are correct, we needn't delete the article altogether, but simply mention that this person was a legend and existed in canon for the reasons you mention. Also, please remember to sign your comments when you finish commenting. Thank you. BogdanM02 06:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

There is evidence of her existence in this scholarly book: “Princess Bhrikuti Devi” by Min Bahadur Shakya (Pilgrims Book House, Kathmandu 1997) AD64 (talk) 00:35, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Please see the new detail in the article itself
Please see the new referenced detail in the article itself which makes it plain that, while unproven, there is no real reason to disbelieve the traditional accounts that Songtsän Gampo married the Nepalese princess. John Hill 07:06, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

More historical research on Bhrikuti Devi
There is another book o the life of Bhrikuti Devi entitled “Princess Bhrikuti Devi” by Min Bahadur Shakya (Pilgrims Book House, Kathmandu, 1997). I have it on my list to update this article with material from this book before long. 00:33, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

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Windsor Downs, New South Wales

Windsor Downs is a suburb of Western Sydney, within the City of Hawkesbury in the state of New South Wales, Australia, established in the early 1990s. The suburb is located 53 km north west from the CBD of Sydney. Windsor Downs is located alongside the Windsor Downs Nature Reserve and is the entrance point for several of the trails.

Demographics
According to the 2021 census, there were 1,183 residents in Windsor Downs.

 * 51.9% of the population was male, while 48.1% were female
 * The most common ancestries were Australian (34.9%), English (32.9%), Maltese (12.8%), Irish (8.6) and Scottish (6%)
 * 84% of people only spoke English at home. The most common languages outside of English were Maltese (1.4%), Polish (1.2%), Croatian (1.1%), Hindi (1.0%) and Italian (0.8%).
 * The most common religions reported were Catholic (40.9%), Anglican (19%), No Religion (18.9%), Christian, not further defined (4.4%) and Not Stated (3.9%).

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Peter Burge (cricketer)

Peter John Parnell Burge (17 May 1932 – 5 October 2001) was an Australian cricketer who played in 42 Test matches between 1955 and 1966. After retiring as a player he became a highly respected match referee, overseeing 25 Tests and 63 One Day Internationals.

He was a Wisden Cricketer of the Year in 1965 and in 1997 was made a Member of the Order of Australia (AM) "for service to cricket as a player, administrator and international referee, and to harness racing."

Early life
Burge was born in Kangaroo Point, Queensland, a suburb of the city of Brisbane, into a cricketing family. His father Thomas John "Jack" Burge was a salesman who rose to be a departmental manager of D. & W. Murray, a retail outlet, before becoming a state representative for Nile Industries, a textile firm. Jack Burge represented Eastern Suburbs in Brisbane's grade cricket competition and later became a cricket administrator. The elder Burge served on the Queensland Cricket Association executive from 1945 until his death in 1957. He also represented Queensland on the Australian Board of Control from 1952 until 1957 and was a state selector from 1944 until 1949. Peter recalled "My dad was the best frustrated Test cricketer I ever knew. He always wanted to play, was involved in it for as long as I could remember."

Burge was inculcated with a love of cricket by his father, who reputedly gave him a rattle in the shape of a ball and bat when he was a baby. First holding a bat at the age of three, Burge infuriated his mother by striking a ball wrapped in a sock and tied to a rope, for hours on end. Aged five, he went to Buranda Boys' State School and due to his father's coaching, was by far the best cricketer at the school. He played his first competitive match when he was eight and a half, and scored his first century at nine. At the age of nine, Burge scored 223 for Buranda and then decided to retire because of extreme heat. His father berated him for handing the opposition his wicket. Burge said "It was good advice. I never did it again."

In his final year at primary school, playing as an opening batsman and wicketkeeper, he scored a double century, eight centuries, 97 and 0 in 11 innings.

Aged thirteen he moved to Anglican Church Grammar School, one of the state's elite private schools, and represented Queensland in a schoolboy competition in Sydney, scoring 100 against Victoria. He played in the first XI in his final three years and made his first-grade debut in his final year. He remained a wicketkeeper and batted at number three. When he was considered for state selection, his father had to stand aside from the Queensland selection panel. Despite this, Burge's rise through the ranks is continuously accompanied by murmurs of nepotism. He studied chartered accountancy and was selected for the state U-23 side under the coaching of Wally Walmsley.

Shield debut
At the time the Queensland wicket-keeper was Test player Don Tallon, member of Bradman's Invincibles, and the reserve was Wally Grout, later to become one of Australia's finest wicket-keepers. Burge decided to give up wicket-keeping and focus purely on batting. Burge progressed to make his Sheffield Shield debut in the Queensland's last match of the 1952–53 season against South Australia. Batting at seven, the first five wickets fell cheaply in each innings, but Burge made a rearguard 54 and 46 respectively. This prevented a defeat.

In the following 1953–54 season, Burge found a regular place and began the season in November with 103 against a New South Wales attack which included Ray Lindwall, Keith Miller and Richie Benaud. After failing to pass single figures in the next match, he scored 64 against South Australia, and then ended the season with 88, 47 and 65. In his first full season, Burge had scored 418 runs at 41.80.

He started the 1954–55 season in a similar fashion to the previous summer, scoring 122 in the opening match of the season against New South Wales. He scored 90 and 41 in the return match, and after making 53 in the next fixture, his steady progress was rewarded in 1954–55 when he was given his Test debut against England at Sydney in the Fifth Test. Australia had lost the series and this allowed selectors to give younger players a chance to show their skills. Unseasonal rain mean that play did not start until 2 p.m. on the fourth day.

Test appearances
His first touch of the ball saw him catch Len Hutton at leg slip off the fourth ball of the match. As the players took to the field, Lindwall told him to watch for the fourth ball. Lindwall bowled three outswingers to Hutton, before an inswinger on the fourth. Hutton edged the ball to Burge who claimed the catch on the second attempt. Burge made 17 and 18 not out, as Australia were made to follow on after trailing by 150 runs. Australia were still 32 runs behind and facing a fourth consecutive Test defeat when time ran out. He had scored 379 runs at 42.11 for the season.

He was then selected for the 1955 tour of the West Indies, on which his father acted as manager of the squad. A team meeting was held to officially allow Burge to address his father as "Jack", as the other players did, instead of "dad". In the warm-up match against Jamaica, Burge made 29 and 69 and was selected in the First Test. He scored 14 in the first innings and was not required to bat in the second innings as Australia won by nine wickets. He then made a duck and 2 in the next tour match against Trinidad and was dropped for the remaining four Tests of the series, which Australia took 3–0. Burge's highlight of the tour was an innings of 177 against British Guiana, which set up an innings victory. He ended the first-class matches with 310 runs at 38.75. After the tour, Burge suffered a setback when his father began to develop the heart problems that eventually claimed his life. Nevertheless, the elder Burge insisted that his health not hinder his son's career.

Returning to Australia for the 1955–56 home season, which was purely domestic, Burge played in all but one of Queensland's eight Shield matches. In 12 innings, he made many starts but could not convert them into big scores. He reached 20 on eight occasions and converted four of these into scores between 50 and 65, going no further. He ended with 363 runs at 33.00. In the Test trial match, he played for Lindwall's XI against Johnson's XI and made 72 and 46 in a two-wicket win.

Despite the lack of big scores, Burge was selected for the tour of England in 1956, he made a successful start with a 99 in his first match on English soil against Leicestershire. After making a duck in the next fixture against Yorkshire, he compiled 131 against Nottinghamshire. He then made 61 against Cambridge University.

Despite totalling only 67 runs in the last four innings before the Tests, the retirement of Arthur Morris after the previous West Indies series opened a vacancy in the Australian batting order, and Burge was recalled. In the first three Tests, he could only manage 84 runs at 16.80, and after single figure scores in the Third Test at Headingley, trapped leg before wicket twice by the off spin Jim Laker on a very dry surface as Australia suffered their first innings defeat in 18 years, was dropped for the final two Tests. He was not productive in the tour games outside the Tests after the start of the Ashes series, making only four fifties in 12 innings and he was unable to earn a Test recall during the tour.

On the Test tour of the Indian subcontinent en route back to Australia, Burge was recalled after a defeat in the one-off Test against Pakistan in Karachi, as injuries and illness beset batsmen and all-rounders Ron Archer, Ian Craig and Keith Miller. He had his first full and consistent Test series. After making 35 in the opening match in Madras, which Australia won by an innings, he made his first half centuries at Test level, scoring 83 and 58 in the Second and Third Tests at Bombay and Calcutta respectively. He compiled 198 runs at 49.50 as Australia took the series 2–0. During the Indian leg of the tour, Burge's father suffered a heart attack, but any prospect of him returning home early was quashed by Jack's strident objections.

In the 1956–57 Australian season, scored consistently heavily for the first time at first-class level. He opened his campaign with centuries in consecutive matches against Western Australia and Victoria, and failing to convert his starts into large scores in the middle part of the season—he registered seven consecutive scores between 20 and 80—he registered his maiden first-class double century in the final match of the summer, 210 against Victoria, having been dropped first ball. He ended the Australian season with 718 runs at 71.80, despite a personal loss. During the season, Jack Burge suffered a fatal heart attack, forcing his son to retire mid-innings during a national trial match, which doubled as a testimonial for pre-World War II Test players Stan McCabe and Bill O'Reilly.

He toured New Zealand at the season's end and due to his keeping ability, Australia did not send a reserve for Barry Jarman. Burge said "Cricket had been so much a part of Dad's life that I think he would have wanted me to go." He started the tour with a 105 against Canterbury and later made 81 not out against Auckland, but did not otherwise pass 50. New Zealand had Test status at the time, but the Australian Board of Control refused to ratify the matches between the two nations as such. Burge had little impact in three international matches, scoring 115 runs at 28.75 as Australia took the series 1–0. He ended the New Zealand tour with 310 runs at 38.75.

At this stage of his career, Burge was scoring consistently enough to command a regular Test place. On the 1957–58 tour of South Africa, he made 111 not out against a South African XI in a warm-up for the Tests, and then made 80 in the next match against Border. He was selected in the First Test in Johannesburg. After scoring a duck and 14 in a drawn match, it was Burge who was dropped when vice-captain Neil Harvey returned from injury as Australia took the five-Test series 3–0. Burge scored only one further fifty in the tour matches and ended with 441 runs at 49.00.

At the start of the 1958–59 season, Burge made 74, 94 and 64 in his first three innings. Although he made only 25, 7 and 11 in the last three innings before the Tests, all against Peter May's touring Englishmen, national captain Ian Craig was ruled out due to hepatitis. This gave Burge a recall for the First Test against England in his home town of Brisbane. He made two in his only innings and was dropped again after Australia took an eight-wicket win. Returning to Queensland duties, he initially failed to capitalise on his starts, with four scores between 30 and 60 in five innings, before striking 101 and 171 against South Australia and Victoria respectively. However, this was not enough for him to gain a recall for the later Tests of the season. Burge ended with season with 764 runs at 50.93.

Afterwards, his accountancy firm declined to grant him further leave for cricket, but Burge backed his ability and quit his job, accepting the invitation to tour India and Pakistan in 1959–60. Test opener Jim Burke had retired after the England series, opening another batting position. He was in and out of the team throughout the tour. After making a duck in the First Test against Pakistan in Dacca, which Australia won by eight wickets, he was dropped for the Second Test before returning and scoring 12 in the drawn Third Test in Karachi. Australia took the series 2–0. He was overlooked for the first three Tests in India, but after illness struck as it did on the previous tour, Burge scored 157 against Indian Universities and was recalled for the final two Tests in Madras and Calcutta, scoring 35 and 60 respectively as Australia won the former by an innings and drew the latter to take the series 2–1.

At the start of the 1960–61 season, Burge again found himself outside the Test team. He made a series of starts in four matches for Queensland, reaching 15 in all eight innings but only managing two half-centuries with a top-score of 75. This changed in two fixtures over the Christmas and New Year period. He struck 240 in a ten-wicket win over South Australia and then made 103 and 55 in a low-scoring two-wicket win over Western Australia, scoring over 38% of his team's runs.

He was recalled for the Fourth Test against the West Indies and told his new employers he would retire if he did not make runs. He made 45 and 49 as Australia hung on for a draw in Adelaide with one wicket in hand, and before scoring 68 and 53 in the Fifth Test as Australia won to take the series 2–1.

Burge had a productive season in 1960–61 and led the Australian first-class batting averages at 53.75.

Career consolidated
The 1961 Ashes tour to England was the first series in which Burge played in all five Tests. He rewarded the selectors by finishing second to Bill Lawry in the Test averages. In the county matches ahead of the Tests, Australia's preparation was interrupted by frequent rain, while some of Burge's innings were cut short when the tourists reached their victory target. These contributed to his first five innings being incomplete innings, one of which was a 101 against Lancashire. After a succession of low scores in the second half of May, Burge hit 158 against Sussex in the final county match before the Tests.

Burge made 25 in Australia's only innings in a high-scoring draw in the First Test at Edgbaston. Burge then scored 137 against Leicestershire between Tests and retained his position after captain Benaud was forced out with a shoulder rinjury.

In the Second Test at Lord's, known as the "Battle of the Ridge", he made 37 not out against the hostile pace of Fred Trueman and Brian Statham after Australia had slumped to 4/19 in pursuit of 69 on an erratic surface. He had earlier made 46 in difficult conditions in the first innings. After managing only 43 in the next two Tests, which were shared between the two teams, thereby allowing Australia to retain the Ashes 2–1, he finished the tour on a high. In the last match before the final Test, Burge scored an unbeaten 51 against Warwickshire, his first score of 50 or more in eight weeks—15 innings.

In the Fifth Test at The Oval he made his maiden Test ton with a 181. It was an innings marked by his persistent use of the sweep, taking balls from outside off stump through the leg side to disperse the packed off side field of David Allen and Tony Lock. He ended with 332 runs at 47.42.

Burge ended the tour with half-centuries in the last two first-class matches.

The 1961–62 Australian season was purely domestic, with no touring Test team. In the second match of the season, Burge started a run of centuries in three consecutive matches. He scored 101 and 68 against New South Wales, contributing more than one third of his team's runs in a 48-run defeat. In the following match he made 119 in the second innings to help Queensland overcome a 90-run first innings deficit and take a 31-run win. He then made 114 against Western Australia, but Queensland was unable to convert their 192-run lead on the first innings and the match ended in a draw. Burge added 82 in the final innings of the season and ended with 631 runs at 63.10. Burge started the 1962–63 season with a half-century against New South Wales and 115 against Western Australia, but his formed tapered away at the start of the 1962–63 Ashes series against Ted Dexter's England. He made 6 in the first innings and was 47 not out when Benaud declared in the second innings of the drawn First Test in Brisbane. Burge then made 23 and 14 in the second innings as the hosts were defeated by seven wickets, and he was again dropped from the team. He returned to Queensland and scored 163 and 24 not out, and 33 and 54 not out in two matches against South Australia to earn a recall for the Fifth Test in Sydney. With the series tied at 1–1, Australia played conservatively for a draw and retention of the Ashes. Burge made 103 and 52 not out, to ensure a draw and a series victory. He headed the Australian Test averages with 245 runs at 61.25. Despite ending the Shield season with four consecutive scores of no more than 10, Burge finished the season with 787 runs at 52.46.

In 1963–64 he began the season with more than 500 runs in his first three innings. He started his campaign with 283 run out in a high-scoring draw against New South Wales, setting a new Queensland record. He then made 205 not out before Queensland declared in another drawn match, against Western Australia. A fortnight later, he hit 129 against the touring South Africans, helping to set up an innings win. By the time he was out, he had scored 617 runs for the season before being dismissed by a bowler.

This, along with the retirement of Australia's vice-captain and most prolific batsmen since the Second World War, Neil Harvey, secured Burge's place in all five Tests against South Africa, despite an injury during the season that required an operation on his left foot after the Tests.

After being run out for 13 in front of his home crowd in the First Test in Brisbane, Burge had a lean month-long run against the tourists. He made only 3 and 10 in a tour match for the Tasmania Combined XI, before scoring 23, 26 not out, 36 and 13 in the next two Tests. Australia won the Second Test before the next game was drawn. Unlike in previous season, Burge was not dropped, and he made 91 in the Fourth Test at the Adelaide Oval, which Australia lost by ten wickets, before scoring 56 and 39 in the last Test, which was drawn.

He had a steady if unspectacular series with 317 runs at 39.63 with two half centuries. After the Tests started, Burge found himself struggling to convert his starts into substantial scores. In the last 11 innings of the season, he reached double figures each time, and ended with eight scores ranging from 20 to 60. Burge ended the season with 1144 runs at 76.26.

The foot injury made him doubtful for the tour of England in 1964. After sitting out the closing stages of the domestic season after the Tests, he was selected, missed the warm-up matches in Australia before the team departed, and was restricted in his running during the early weeks of the tour. Burge scored 58 and 46 not out in the tour opener against Worcestershire but was not fluent in the lead-up to the Tests, making only one more half-century before the Tests.

Depleted by a bevy of retirements in the recent past, Australia were not expected to do well.

Burge went into the Tests with only 264 runs at 29.33 in the lead-in matches.

He was not prominent in the first two Tests; he made 31, 4 not out and 1, before making 59 at Lord's in the second innings of the Second Test. Australia were shortened by the weather and drawn with England holding the advantage.

Heading into the Third Test, Burge had also managed only 5, 18 and 5 in the county innings since the start of the Ashes.

His most notable innings was at Headingley in the Third Test. In reply to England's 268, Australia slumped to 7/178. Batting with the tail, Burge's sustained aggression saw Australia reach 389 on the back of his 160. It set up an Australian win, and in the only match of the series that was not drawn, secured Australia's series victory. Wisden described it as the innings that decided the series, and described it as "one of the best for many years".

In the last match before the Fourth Test, Burge narrowly missed out on a century at Lord's, the home of cricket, falling for 96 against Middlesex. In the Fourth Test at Old Trafford, Burge made 34 as Australia batted for more than two days in their first innings to secure a draw in a high-scoring match and retain the Ashes.

Burge then made 100 not out and 53, scoring more than a third of Australia's runs as they fell to a nine-run defeat at the hands of Warwickshire. In the drawn Fifth Test, Burge made 25 in Australia's only innings and did not pass 30 in the last three first-class matches.

As a result, he was named as one of the Wisden Cricketers of the Year in 1965. He ended the series with 322 runs at 46.00.

Burge signed off with an unbeaten 124 against Sussex in one of the ground-breaking limited-overs matches, then a new format of cricket.

On the return leg of the tour, he played consistently in three and one Tests against India and Pakistan respectively on a tour of the Indian subcontinent, scoring 266 runs at 44.33 with three half centuries. In the First Test against India, Burge made 60 in the second innings to help Australia erase a 65-run deficit and set up a match-winning target of 332. He then scored 80 and 0 in the next match as Australia lost by two wickets. After making 4 in the drawn Third Test, he made 54 and 28 not out against Pakistan in a one-off Test.

Retirement
During the 1964–65 season, Burge made himself unavailable for the solitary home Test against Pakistan and the subsequent tour of the West Indies at the end of the summer.

He played a full domestic season, the first half of which was punctuated by near misses. In the first seven innings of the season, he reached 30 every time, but only reached 50 twice. On these occasions, he proceeded to 98 and 97 before falling short of a century. The latter innings helped Queensland overturn a 71-run first innings deficit and complete a 41-run win. In the New Year's match against New South Wales, Burge made an unbeaten 242 in the second innings to overturn a 212-run first innings deficit and set a target of 306, but his team were unable to finish off the match, ending one wicket short of victory when time ran out. Burge made another century in the next match and ended the season with 909 runs at 60.60.

The following season, Burge made himself available for international duty, and started the Australian summer with 111 against New South Wales. He made a pair of fifties in his next match, for a Western Australia Combined XI against the touring England team. Two matches later he scored 114 not out and 60 for Queensland against England, scoring more than half of his team's first innings total.

These performances were enough to ensure that Burge was recalled for the 1965–66 Ashes series in what was his final international campaign. In the First Test, his final appearance for Australia in Brisbane, he made a duck in his only innings of a drawn match. He then made his fourth and final Test century, 120 in the second innings of the Second Test in Melbourne, helping Australia to make 426 and avoid a defeat after conceding a 200-run lead on the first innings. He then made 6 and 1 as Australia were crushed by an innings in the Third Test before scoring 27 as Australia reversed the result in the next match. This was his last Test, as on the eve of the Fifth Test, he announced that he would not make the 1966–67 tour to South Africa and was subsequently relegated to 12th man so that other players could get international experience, ending his Test career. He had made 159 runs at 26.50 for the series.

While his compatriots were away in Africa, Burge played a final season of first-class cricket. He scored 50 and 60 in the opening match of the season, before scoring 198 in the next fixture against New South Wales. He scored an unbeaten 101 in the return match against Western Australia, failing to prevent an innings loss. Burge ended the season with 909 runs at 64.92, including two centuries and five fifties in eight first-class matches. Queensland won only the last match of the season, and lost three others.

At the end of the 1966–67 season, he toured New Zealand with Australia's second team. Apart from 102 in the fourth international match against the hosts, he failed to pass 35 in the representative games and ended with 198 runs at 39.60 as New Zealand took the series 1–0. He ended the tour with 379 runs at 37.90.

He retired at the end of the 1967–68 Australian season, after playing another six first-class matches. Queensland lost three games and won none. He made a century in his final match against Western Australia, which was not enough to prevent another defeat. He scored 319 runs at 39.87 in his final season.

Burge ended his Queensland captaincy career with only two wins from 28 matches, suffering 11 losses. During his career, Queensland was the weakest of the five states and failed to break through for their maiden Sheffield Shield win.

A heavily built man, Burge was a combative player who was regarded as quiet and genial off the field. An attacking player, he was known for his penchant for the hook shot and his ability against fast bowling. Burge is one of the few cricketers to be given out handled the ball. In a Shield match against New South Wales in 1958–59, the ball struck him on the pad and went up in the air. Unconsciously, he put up a hand and the ball landed in his palm.

Burge was a state selector from 1968 to 1979, and QCA vice president from 1990 to 1994, when he became a board member. He was a match referee for the International Cricket Council. During this time he was involved in a controversial issue in 1994 when England captain Mike Atherton was accused of ball tampering by rubbing it with dirt from his pocket during a match against a newly returned South Africa at The Oval.

Burge died of a heart attack in 2001 at Main Beach in Southport, Queensland.

In 2009 Burge was inducted into the Queensland Sport Hall of Fame. The Peter Burge Oval cricket ground in Brisbane is named in his honour.

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