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Game theory wikiproject?
Hi there -

I noticed your recent discussions on Evolutionary stable strategy. I have been surveying people to see if there is any interest in starting a wikiproject on game theory. Do you think you might be a regular contributor, if such a project were to get started? --best, kevin · · · Kzollman | Talk · · · 02:12, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

Sure, why not? Game theory certainly interests me — in fact, I've been thinking of perhaps doing my graduate thesis in it, which would be a good excuse to delve into the subject more deeply. As for the regularity of my future contributions, it's still a bit early for me to say. I've only just "found" Wikipedia, and it's all new and exciting still. I'll have to wait and see how much time and effort I'll be willing to spend on it in the long run. —Ilmari Karonen 21:06:08, 2005-08-29 (UTC)

 * Great! I've gone ahead and started the process, feel free to contribute, and don't worry about being new.  People will help out along the way.  Sign up and make any changes you like at WikiProject Game theory.  --best, kevin  · · · Kzollman | Talk · · · 02:05, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

I don't have the illustrator file for BayerPatternSimpleMosaic. At the moment I'm in a different continent.--Plowboylifestyle 21:51, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

WP:CP
Hi, you've reported copyright infringements to WP:CP in the last week, a new measure was recently passed to allow the speedy deltion of new pages that are cut and paste copyvios. Please follow these instructions if you come across this type of copyvio. Thanks. --nixie 00:29, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Heippa!
Heippa Ilmari Karonen! Näytät olevan hyvin aktiivinen poistettavien sivujen keskustelussa ja tunnut muutenkin olevan hyvin perillä Wikipediasta. Normaalisti suosittelisin sinua ylläpitäjäksi, mutta olet ollut Wikipediassa liian vähän aikaa. Muistuta minua noin kuukauden kuluttua suositella sinua, jookos? — J I P | Talk 20:02, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Subst:
When using template tags on talk pages, don't forget to substitute with text by adding subst: to the template tag. For example, use {{subst:test}} instead of {{test}}. This reduces server load and prevents accidental blanking of the template. It is important that you use "subst:" when inserting templates which form an AfD nomination to avoid technical problems. Andrew pmk | Talk 00:57, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! Yippee!! :-) :-) :-)
- your image of the mass spring damper system made my day! :-) I thought it would never be created. It looks excellent! I'll take a closer look at the image tomorrow, but I think it will suffice for the article. Thanks again for your efforts! --HappyCamper 02:53, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Hey there! I was wondering if you would consider uploading that mass-spring-damper diagram to Commons? That way, the picture can be used on all the Wikipedias. What do you think? --HappyCamper 00:57, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

 * There you go. I hope I got it right, this being my first time to upload anything to Commons. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 10:23, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Template:LicenseFreeUse
As per your request, I have protected it. -Greg Asche (talk) 21:42, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Civilian service
Eikös civilian service ole sama kuin conscientious objection? Vai tarkoitatko jotakin muuta? — J I P | Talk 18:06, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Ei tarkalleen: civilian service = siviilipalvelus, conscientious objection = aseistakieltäytyminen.  Liittyvät toki toisiinsa.  Tämä siviilipalveluksen puuttuminen Wikipediasta tuli esiin artikkelissa Human rights in Finland, jossa puhutaan siviilipalveluksen kestosta.  Tässä yhteydessä siviilipalveluksen samaistaminen aseistakieltäytymiseen olisi vähintäänkin hämäävää.  —Ilmari Karonen 18:29, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Siinä tapauksessa kannattaa tutustua artikkelin Conscientious objection throughout the world lukuun "Conscientious objection in Finland", jonka minä kirjoitin. Uskon tietäväni siviilipalveluksesta Suomessa jotain (koska olen itse sivari) mutta en ollut aiemmin tiennyt tästä merkityserosta englanninkielisissä termeissä. Voisiko tuon artikkelin sisältöä jotenkin käyttää hyödyksi artikkelissa civilian service, jos sellainen joskus kirjoitetaan? — J I P | Talk 18:39, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Signature
Thanks for your help (via User:HappyCamper's talk page) pointing out to me the raw signature feature. I'm much happier with my signature now. Jdavidb (talk • contribs) 17:26, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Archimedes Vandalism
oops, I guess I didn't go back far enough. Thanks for covering. By the way, I gave the vandal a test4 warning. 139.78.10.1 20:02, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

godmode-light
Hi, thanks a million for fixing these bugs in godmode-light.js. I merged them with my version. Sam Hocevar 01:54, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Patay Gutom Gang
It is restored, as requested. AfD away. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 14:33, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
...for fixing my redirect error. I was planning to also create redirects from 'M B Zimunya' and an alternate spelling of this guy's first name. Is this the right thing to do? ( I'm new here...) Cheers JackyR 22:44, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

 * If you expect people to look for him using the alternate spelling, or if there are articles that link to the alternate spelling, then you probably should create a redirect. But otherwise there's no need to create redirects from every possible (mis)spelling.  You may want to try searching (using the search box on the left) for any alternate spelling before creating a redirect from it.  If the correct article comes up among the first results, an explicit redirect is probably not needed.  For details, see Redirect.  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 22:53, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Stele move
Hi, I've completed your moves as requested on Requested moves. I've fixed up the pages a little bit, but you might want to double-check to make sure that all incoming links are still pointing to all the right articles. Thanks. —Cleared as filed. 17:55, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Dental Handpiece Picture
I can take a picture of my dental handpiece (officially not called a drill) and some burs (officially not called bits). If I do not upload it by the end of the week, then I forgot and a friendly reminder on my talk page would jog my memory. I just got to figure out which way would be the shot to get of the handpiece... something to make it look non-threatening. :-P - Dozenist talk  03:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks, that'd be great. Oh, and you're welcome to correct the terminology and any other errors you find in the article.  There's probably a lot of useful information missing, too.  (I know practically nothing about the subject beyond what I could find with Google.  In fact, it seems "dental drill", "dental handpiece" and even "dental drill handpiece" are all used on the web.  I suspect there may be a subtle distinction there, but I can't really tell for sure.)  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 12:14, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

 * The pic is up and you can find it here. Can we do the change to the name of the article, and just redirect the current one? -Dozenist  talk  16:39, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Ylläpitäjäksi
 JIP would like to nominate you to be an administrator. Please visit Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact JIP to accept or decline the nomination. A page has been created for your nomination at Requests for adminship/. If you accept the nomination, you must formally state your acceptance and answer the questions on that page. Once you have answered the questions, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.

Thank you, but I've declined the nomination. I feel it's too early for me yet. Maybe in a few more months... —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 00:54, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
So its a squiggly bracket } instead of a regular bracket ) ? That certainly isn't obvious as, at least on my computer, they both look the same. )})}({({ Perhaps this needs to be made explicit on the pages. Zordrac 23:40, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Right. I'd suggest a different font, or you're bound to encounter this problem again sooner or later.  As for making it explicit for people who can't easily see the difference, that does sound like a good idea.  Feel free to make the changes, I don't think anyone will oppose them.  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 23:46, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Fotofab
Hehe, no worries :) At least it got moved, there's still one or two that are waiting to be moved from transwiki to main namespace now. Plus hopefully someone will either improve it or AfD it :) Thanks for the note tho. Cheers. «» Who ? ¿ ? meta 04:28, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

TeachScheme!
You have marked the TeachScheme! page as a copyright violation. There is no violation in the new page because it is written by a member of the PLT team (which is responsible for the TeachScheme! project). Furthermore, the TeachScheme! page is not a commercial page, no profits are made, and the page in question holds a general overview of the project -- "school curriculum" whatsoever, commercial or not. Please restore the previous contents. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.30.27.105 (talk • contribs) 01:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I've relisted the page at WP:CP. However, I'd really like to get confirmation of permission from someone in the PLT team.  If you have the authority to license the content of the page under the GFDL, you can use the "E-mail this user" link to let me know.  (Alternatively, there's an e-mail link at the top of my home page.) —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 03:15, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I cannot use the Wikipedia link because I have no account. Your web page has some obfuscation mechanism that probably made my mail trapped as spam, and I don't see any other addresses. So I added a temporary note to the bottom of the page in question. Please mail me.

 * Thanks, got your address. I'd say the fact that you can edit the page is enough to make me accept your claim.  Anyway, I sent you mail requesting a formal confirmation, and will restore the page.  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 03:48, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Deletion of list of Whites
I missed out on opposing the VfD, but why would you list that for deletion before it even had a chance? Are you White? Not all White people can be indentified directly to a specific European nation such as Finland etc. What about people who might be part 1/4 Irish, 1/4 Italian, 1/2 Polish, or other White mixes? Is there a category available? Can you kindly tell me why you put that up for deletion? Thanks.Icemountain 01:54, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Mostly for the reason given in the nomination, i.e. unmaintainability. A list of white people on Wikipedia would include tens of thousands of articles, and would have no hope of staying up to date as new articles get added — not to mention that there's no uncontroversial way to define who would belong on it.  The list, as created, also provided no information that a corresponding category couldn't provide, should one feel the need for such a classification.  Several other people commenting on the nomination also brought up valid points, which I shan't repeat here.  All in all, whatever one might feel about categorizing people based on skin color in general, that particular list was pretty much stillborn.  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 00:52, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Centered squares
The new pictures for centered square number look very nice. Simple and elegant. Thank you very much! PrimeFan 22:40, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

template qif
I would say the q stands for "quicker" (or "quick") – qif does not call any other template, whereas "if" did. But the original inventor (AzaToth) might know better what it means. Disclaimer: beware of WP:AUM. – Adrian | Talk 15:10, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

 * The question was really meant to be rethorical, but thanks anyway. My point was that, now that the old Template:If is deprecated and soon to be gone entirely, there is no longer any need to distinguish the "quick" version by prepending an extra letter to the name.  Anyway, I've changed my vote slightly and (hopefully) clarified my reasoning.  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 19:25, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Question about Template:Web-reference
In TfD you wrote that "we can't really verify it isn't being used somewhere". Just out of curiosity, how come? I would've thought any transclusions would show up in "what links here". —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 23:32, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * A recent bug/feature was added that causes pages to skip over the redirect and link internally to the template itself. These pages will show up in Special:Whatlinkshere as being linked/using the template directly, not the redirect.  -- Netoholic @ 23:40, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * link service provided by Adrian Buehlmann 23:47, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Unwatch script
I think you'll find that your version of the script is suited to non-default preferences. It accords to having set your preferences to use "Enhanced recent changes". On that basis, I will leave both scripts with explanations. jnothman talk 02:29, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

monobook.js
I've been watching the User page edits and I notice that you've been having some trouble with the javascript thing. Could I offer the use of my favorite debugging tool? Jokermage "Timor Mentum Occidit" 03:06, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Heh, thanks. Unfortunately I have to keep saving the page to test it, since the script I'm debugging only works on Special:Watchlist, so the preview button is of no use.  Is it spamming the log badly?  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 03:09, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

 * No more than any other edit is. I've probably done worse with my user page edits. Jokermage "Timor Mentum Occidit" 03:15, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Oh well, I think I got it working now. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 03:18, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Hooray! I guess you won't be needing the debugging tool after all :) Jokermage "Timor Mentum Occidit" 03:25, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Just so you won't worry, about 5 other users are messing around with monobook.js and monobook.css files too. I'm not even really sure what you guys are doing. Jokermage "Timor Mentum Occidit" 03:55, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I refactored the code a little... Do you have any idea, though, why it's loading twice for me? And why are you using such a long url when &action=unwatch was sufficient in the original version of the script? I've changed this too, for simplicity's sake. jnothman talk 03:56, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Hahahaha neat solution in the end =) I'll still put in the shorter URL. jnothman talk 03:59, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

 * No, you were right. Long URL it is. jnothman talk 04:12, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Any luck so far? Jokermage "Timor Mentum Occidit" 21:48, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Working just fine now, thanks. See here for the "released" versions. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 21:53, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

template:ll
Hi, Thanks for your message. After having substed in Ă, here's what I see at Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Ll now:

 * Jalal al-Din Muhammad Rumi
 * User talk:Grstain
 * Templates for deletion
 * User talk:Roy da Vinci
 * Template talk:Lang-uk
 * Templates for deletion/Log/Not deleted/July 2005
 * Template talk:Language link
 * User talk:Adrian Buehlmann
 * User:Imz
 * Templates for deletion/Holding cell
 * Village pump (technical)
 * Templates for deletion/Log/Deleted/December 2005
 * User:U-571

The Jalal al-Din Muhammad Rumi is new, though I cannot see that anybody added a template:ll in the mean time. The other entries I think can be ignored. But frankly said, that What Links here function seems to be instable. Why is that Jalal al-Din Muhammad Rumi not on your list? Could it be that Ă was not on mine? However I deliberately did not subst inside Jalal al-Din Muhammad Rumi for now that you can look yourself. Adrian Buehlmann 21:34, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

There is definitely something fishy going on. "What links here" is a moving target. To be secure, I moved ll back to orphan in the holding cell and left a note there. Adrian Buehlmann 23:40, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Possibly due to this. Adrian Buehlmann 23:45, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Rating stars
I though I'd let you know that I've recently created a new modular set of SVG rating stars and a template for using them, starsx. It's only used in a couple of articles so far, but it seems to be working fine. Since you're the creator of the currently used set of 5-star rating images, I thought you might be interested. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 00:13, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, I've been following the discussions on some of the pages. I'm happy that it's finally SVG. Thanks. -- WB 03:56, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Philosopher template
Much thanks for the solution you provided. Another question - can the same thing be done so that the row "Death" does not appear for living philosopher? See FI, John Searle. I had a quick play with it, but it appeared not to work... Banno 01:05, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Sure, done. It's all pretty straightforward, really.  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 01:09, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * !! Thanks again. Banno 01:14, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I went a little further and applied the same trick to the interest and idea boxes, so that the template now complies with WP:AUM. If any problems turn up, please let me know.  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 01:17, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Another request: Would you have a look at the template in John Anderson (philosopher), [. Is it possible to fix the influences/influenced section? Thanks! [[User:Banno|Banno]] 02:18, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Done. The actual fix just involved adding some spaces, but I also added code to hide the headings too if both parameters are empty.  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 23:12, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Again, I am in your debt. Thanks. Banno 00:22, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Your personal attacks
Please refrain from personally attacking other users. There is a policy against that No personal attacks. Please read so you don't slip again. --Fenice 06:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry if I've offended you. I realize that we disagree on the issue of Babel expansion, but I see no reason why I should have anything against you personally.  You seem to be an active editor with many valuable contributions to Wikipedia, and I would not wish to make you feel anything less than welcome here.  In any case, I feel this is all a rather insignificant issue to get into a personal argument about — it's just a userbox, after all.  I may feel that it's needless bloat, but I'm not going to lose any sleep if the consensus is to keep it.  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 06:47, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I accept your apology.--Fenice 07:01, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place for you to live out your freely floating agressions. What on earth drove you to misrepresent the proposal of xx-5 as my scheme? --Fenice 06:31, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm aware it's not your idea originally, but it does seem to me you've taken it up as a personal cause. Certainly you seem to have taken the proposal and decided to go ahead and implement it.  There's nothing intrinsically wrong with that, mind you, but I feel it's generally appropriate, when doing so, to announce your actions and to accept the fact that someone may revert you if they consider the implementation to be premature.  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 06:47, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Ilmari, I have just discovered the full scope of your crusade here and I am telling you, I am going to remove all future personal attacks against my person and I removed the one on the talk page of Babel. --Fenice 07:00, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Sigh. You can "discover the full scope of my crusade" at Special:Contributions/Ilmari Karonen — that's how I found your edits to the Babel page.  When one makes edits to a project page that substantially alter a guideline or policy, posting a notice about it on the talk page is only polite.  I've restored the part about my edits and the AfD nomination, but I left out the bits mentioning you.  I hope this is ok?  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 07:09, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

''In any case, I feel this is all a rather insignificant issue to get into a personal argument about — it's just a userbox, after all. I may feel that it's needless bloat, but I'm not going to lose any sleep if the consensus is to keep it.'' Then you should not have voted. And you know perfectly well it will be deleted, don't be ridiculous. Your drive-by-shooting at Babel was one hundred percent successful. I am just disgusted and shocked on how people here have nothing better to do than disrupting other editors. --Fenice 07:38, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Actually, at a glance I count 19 keep votes and 33 deletes for en-5. That's close to the accepted borderline for consensus.  So no, I wouldn't bet the farm on the outcome yet.  If the vote ratio stays as it is now, the final decision may eventually depend on the closing admin's personal discretion.  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 07:53, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Let's be realistic. This case is closed. Let's not discuss this now. The abusive way this policy was 'decided', will be on RfC in case I get around to it. For your nomination of de-5 I will include you. --Fenice 08:05, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Okay, fair enough. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 08:17, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Metacomet's sandbox
Please refrain from making revisions to the items in my sandbox. I don't think it is proper etiquette to revise another person's user pages without having the courtesy to introduce yourself and perhaps offering your idea as a suggestion on the person's user talk page. Frankly, it borders on outright rudeness. -- Metacomet 20:57, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

 * If you felt what I did was rude, I apologize. The nice thing about this being a Wiki is that, if you don't like the edits I made, you can always revert them — your original version is still safely there.  Of course, you'll have a redlink in your sandbox then, since the Penzias and Wilson article was speedily deleted per CSD A3, but you can do so if you like.  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 06:54, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

user against scientology has been speedily deleted
I have requested undeletion at WP:DRV. Regardless of whether or not this template has any merit it should be undeleted until the tfd has run it's course. Your vote at the tfd counts for nothing if the speedy deletion stands.--God of War 06:12, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for letting me know, even if I didn't end up voting the way you probably wanted. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 07:15, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Template talk:Stars/old
Here it is and it's linked from the Template talk:Stars. Hope I didn't mess up page history too much. gren グレン 11:33, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks! —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 12:07, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Diff width fixer
→ WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Fix diff width

Did you write this? If so, you deserve some kind of award. That has bugged me for forever.

I tried to do the same thing with css and had no luck. — Omegatron 00:40, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks. Yes, I wrote that.  I started with CesarB's simpler solution but found that it didn't always work as it should.  Then one day I just realized that it ought to be possible to force the column widths to be exactly equal by getting rid of the table altogether.  The rest was just a simple matter of programming. :-)
 * Now all I need to do is figure out why it fails in IE and how to fix it... —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 00:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Never mind, it works in IE now. The problem turned out to be that IE and Mozilla needed different syntax for setting the float CSS property in JavaScript.  Sigh.  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 21:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Well, hooray! Cesar's was based on my idea, so I guess you finally wrote what I wanted.  :-)  Does he know about it? — Omegatron 22:00, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for it! At last, one fix which works with the problematic edits which made me stop using my version (documented at User talk:CesarB/monobook.js if you want to see them by yourself). Notice that I deleted the two lines of IE CSS kludge when putting it on my monobook.js; they were only adding noise to the Javascript console. Now, someone just needs to hack the PHP code to output it the way the script does, and it'll work for everybody (and be faster too). --cesarb 01:16, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

 * That's funny, I don't see any output in my JS console. Could you paste an example of what you see so I could try to fix it?  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 13:20, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

 * It's two lines, one complaining it cannot parse the value for the declaration of padding-bottom, and the other one complaining it cannot parse the value for the declaration of top. In both cases, it happens because Firefox does not understand expression on CSS. The way to avoid it would be to detect when you are using MSIE, and do not print these two lines in that case (as they are only needed on MSIE). The error messages only appear on Firefox 1.5; older versions do not show anything for CSS parsing errors. --cesarb 15:09, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

01229
→ 01229 – "Balance diff display more evenly"

 * Dear Ilmari! Thank you very much for the workaround. Please take a look at wikt:yi:user:Gangleri/monobook.js where I added some lines to make your workaround BiDi compatible, to add some lines to switch to some sister projects, to have "absolute" foo -style wiki links.
 * Please take a look also at 1229. Please feel free to log in at . I / We would be happy about any help / knowhow. Best regards Gangleri | T 21:21, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
for your help. I will save learning EasyTimeline for a project that actually calls for it... pfctdayelise 02:32, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Pebble Beach
Sorry, I only did that because I saw someone else do it for what seemed like a similar intention on another article that I was working on. Monkey see, monkey do. You can delete it, as I already have a sandbox, and don't need another. Jon Awbrey 22:54, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Ylläpitäjäksi, taas
 JIP would like to nominate you to be an administrator. Please visit Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact JIP to accept or decline the nomination. A page has been created for your nomination at Requests for adminship/Ilmari Karonen 2. If you accept the nomination, you must formally state your acceptance and answer the questions on that page. Once you have answered the questions, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.

Thanks. I've accepted this time. I must say I'm feeling a mild adrenaline rush just now, as if I'd been pushed onto a stage and told to introduce myself to the crowds. We'll see how it goes now... —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 11:58, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Mathbot business
Hi. I am sorry you had the misfortune of being spammed by my bot on your own RFA. The bot got rightfully blocked, and now I am looking into that problem. Again, sorry for the trouble. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:51, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

The corrupted JPEG file
Hey, just wondering, which tool did you use to get rid of the first 4096 bytes? My hex editor can't save :( enochlau (talk) 23:54, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Perl. More specifically  .  I then found the number of bytes removed by comparing the size of the resulting file to the original.  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 00:02, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Thank you! enochlau (talk) 06:11, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Francs2000 12:30, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Congratulations! You're now a President, I mean an admin! J I P | Talk 13:12, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

School unblocking
Can I ask why you unblocked these ips? Just about every edit that has been made from those ips has been vandalism and as far as I know there is no policy to except schools from blocking (they can still access Wikipedia but not edit). (Special:Contributions/195.188.217.142, Special:Contributions/195.188.217.145, Special:Contributions/195.188.217.146). Arniep 16:41, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I unblocked them based on what seemed a fairly polite and reasonable request on User talk:195.188.217.145. I guess I should've kept a closer eye on them afterwards, but I guess I naively hoped they'd've taken care of the problem on their end.  Beginner's naivete, I guess.  I'll reblock them if anything further comes up, though it looks like they may have stopped for today.  Actually, I'm just drafting an abuse report to the school — maybe that'll help a bit.  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 16:51, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Block?
That was absolutely NOT an act of vandalism. On the contrary it was a legitmate contribution. Adding the next line to a Queen song under the Pop Culture section is NOT vandalism. You are being overbearing and abusing your admin. powers. --70.161.247.202 00:46, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Okay, I'm willing to assume that your edit was made in good faith. I have replaced the warning on your talk page with a more appropriate one.  Even so, please try not to make such frivolous contributions in the future.  Remember that Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a comic strip.  Using ALL CAPS and multiple exclamation points to create "sound effects" is not appropriate in an encylopedia article.  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 01:00, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for replacing the warning and I'll try not to make edits in such a manner from now on. --70.161.247.202 02:51, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for fixing my monobook... ManiacK thought I was vandalizing the site, whereas you figured out I was just mistaken in how to work the popups. I appreciate the assistance. Anthony 18:08, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Speedy-D Cleanup
I noticed you removed some resolved discussions from Questioned Speedy deletions. I was just wondering where those discussions are archived in case they ever need to be reviewed. I'm kinda new here, and am still learning my way around. — Bill W. (Talk) (Contrib) –  February 8, 2006, 19:59 (UTC)

 * As far as I know, only in the page history. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 20:05, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Checkuser request
Matthew Brown and I have both worked on this, see Requests_for_CheckUser. The large number of created accounts may not be particularly significant as there is no way to block this large provider. Obviously Willy on Wheels makes his home there but so a number of other users. Fred Bauder 03:03, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Untribium

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The result of the debate was redirect systematic element name

Untribium and others
NN hypothetical element. 9 googles. Didn't we go through a bunch of these before? N (t/c) 23:59, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * There are tons more: Special:Contributions/24.103.109.9. N (t/c) 00:01, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * See also Votes_for_deletion/Unbibium - choster 02:25, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect all to systematic element name, unless a credible claim has been made for its synthysis. ManoaChild 01:06, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy redirect. Wasn't this settled before? --Tito xd 01:39, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect; Misplaced | Hatter 04:38, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect, unless there is something to say about it beyond its obvious predictable properties (e.g. claims of discovery or island of stability properties. Warofdreams 14:17, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Others : Unbibium, Unbiquadium, Unbipentium, Unbiseptium, Unbioctium, Unbiennium, Untrinilium, Untriunium, Untribium 132.205.3.20 16:13, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * NOTE: signifcant ones are the last classically stable elements, and elemtns in the island of stability, and should not be deleted. 132.205.3.20 16:13, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't understand this comment. What does stability have to do with this? There are a number of very unstable elements on the current periodic table. As far as I can see, the relevant distinction is between synthesized and unsynthesized. ManoaChild 19:53, 26 August 2005 (UTC)]
 * I meant to say: which have been synthesized and which have not yet been synthesized. ManoaChild 21:47, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Theoretically speaking, the island of stability is a very important aim for synthesizers, to prove theory versus experiment. And so are the last chemically stable elements. These are marks to aim for to test theory against reality. The other elemetns are just targets to get your name in the paper. 132.205.45.148 17:06, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay. I continue to be perplexed by your argument.  There are a number of unstable elements in the peroidic table, and they are very important for theoretical reasons and as building blocks for higher numbered elements.  It is very likely that elements in the island of stability will be extremely unstable too.  I simply don't understand your argument. ManoaChild 11:27, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm redirecting the votes to here for these. 132.205.3.20 16:13, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * COMMENT one solution is to leave all the pages up to and including the last chemically stable element, plus the one just after it (the first chemically unstable, or possibly chemically non-existable element) 132.205.3.20 16:19, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * COMMENT potential redirect destination: Periodic table (extended) ? 132.205.3.20 17:03, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. These names have been systematically established and are therefore not nn. -Hmib 19:00, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to systematic element name. Not notable on its own. Optichan 20:27, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Unbibium (There has been a scholarly article written about it.) Redirect the rest until we have something other than the probable ground state electron configuration to report. Caerwine 04:43, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to systematic element name. *drew 21:48, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to systematic element name. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:38, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect - it's a placeholder - agree with above. - Tεx  τ  urε  20:44, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
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Allison Fonte

Allison Fonte (born June 6, 1964) is an American actress and pianist who was a 12- to 13-year-old mousketeer of seasons 5-6 of the television show The Mickey Mouse Club, a 1977 revival of the Disney television show that had originally aired between 1955 and 1959.

Fonte was born in Buena Park, California. By the time she was seven she was playing piano, dancing, and appearing in commercials for Pacific Gas & Electric and Lawry's. At age nine she was performing at local shopping centers including regular shows at the "Old Town Mall" in Torrance, California. While doing some work at the Al Gilbert Studio in 1975 she was noticed by a talent scout who ended up inviting her to interview and later, audition for the show.

After her stint with the New Mickey Mouse Club, Allison attended Stanford University and was a founding partner in a creative firm in New York City called Pompei A.D. She spun off part of that company into Allison Fonte Public Relations, also in New York. Allison attended the New Mouseketeers' reunion in May 2001, along with eight other 1970s Mouseketeers.

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Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 August 26

Category:Mangaka to Category:Manga artists

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 13:07, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Manga ka only has 1 article in it, Manga artists is the commonly used one, even the mangaka article is under it. Dread Lord C y b e r S k u l l ✎☠ 20:54, 2005 August 26 (UTC)

 * Template:Categoryredirect to Manga artists 132.205.45.148 16:41, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete since Category:Manga artists is the category that is used. Note that Japanese voice actors are categorized under Category:Seiyu and not Category:Japanese voice actors. -- Reinyday, 07:35, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, a soft-redirect would also be acceptable iff the term is commonly used outsite Japan though. --Sherool 17:25, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * COMMENT It is commonly used by those who are fans of manga, (along with other subcultural terms borrowed from Japan, like... "manga" (maybe rename this to "Japanese comics" while we're at it), "bishonen", "shojo-ai", "lolicon", "hentai", "kawaii", ... 132.205.3.20 20:40, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Hmm, well IMHO manga and anime are faily well known as distinct "genres" or "styles". For example renaming "Manga artists" to "Japanese comics artists" would not be apropriate because there are a lot of artists who are not Japanese who make "manga" these days. And there are probably some "Japanese comic artists" who do not make manga. Not sure about the rest. --Sherool 21:00, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment The article is at mangaka, so it should atleast be a categoryredirect. 132.205.44.43 19:42, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No argument. siafu 18:24, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Cambridge Pubs to Category:Public houses in Cambridge, England

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 13:05, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I didn't find this category until after I'd already created the new one. It had only one member.  The new name is more consistent and less ambiguous. Bovlb 14:49:04, 2005-08-26 (UTC)

 * Bovlb, I disagree: Category:Public houses in Cambridge, England is grating US English for what is a very British phenomenon. If this were Category:Public houses in Cambridge, Massachusetts, New England then I might agree (note that I meant New England, not USA, just as England is not the UK).  Keep and merge the other way! --stochata 16:23, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * No, public house is the proper term in British English too. Pub is just a common abbreviation. -Splash 17:31, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. We don't need a category for pubs, since their articles should, in the main, be either deleted or merged to Cambridge. If this is kept or something, then it should be called Category:Public houses in Cambridge or Category:Pubs in Cambridge. -Splash 17:30, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Public houses in Cambridge. 'Cambridge, England' is an Americanism inappropriate in this context; no danger of confusing it with Cambridge, Massachussetts because that would be Category:Bars of Cambridge, MA or something like that. David | Talk 21:00, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment - note that if the former name is kept, the capitalisation will still need to be corrected. Grutness...  wha?  07:41, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * As a native British English speaker, I have to disagree about "Cambridge, England" being grating US English and an inappropriate Americanism. It is natural for a British person to assume that an unqualified "Cambridge" refers to Cambridge, Cambs. but I assure you that this interpretation is not universal.  I chose that name because I didn't want the category to mistakenly fill up with Boston drinking establishments. Bovlb 15:28:23, 2005-08-27 (UTC)
 * Delete per Splash. If the article were kept it should be at Category:Public houses in Cambridge per everyone, because the article at Cambridge is about the English university city, not a dab page. —Blotwell 05:33, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Public houses in Cambridge to match Category:Public houses in London and Category:Public Houses in Liverpool. We don't use the phrase "public house" here in the States, so I don't think it would be confused with Cambridge, MA.  What David said. -- Reinyday, 07:40, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Pubs shouldn't need their own pages. Flowerparty  talk 08:41, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I have started a discussion on notability requirements for pubs at Village pump (policy). Bovlb 19:48:28, 2005-08-30 (UTC)

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Category:Gay icons

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 12:59, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

This category is pov and largely irrelevant to many of the people who are placed in it. Calsicol 14:35, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Highly contentious and superfluous category which is inherently POV.  Hall Monitor 16:12, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Abstain. How the hell did this get renominated so fast?  Might as well stop, becuase there will never be a consensus to get rid of it.  I've learned that people like to ignore rules like POV when discussing categories they like.  --Kbdank71 16:17, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah? And people tend to ignore rules like POV when discussing categories they hate. And people also tend to be blind to their own POV spots, which makes the whole POV issue a big festering can of worms. So what's your point? (Here's a hint: "all gay-related categories should be deleted" is not a neutral point of view. For that matter, neither is "I didn't get the answer I wanted, so I'm just going to renominate it immediately". But I don't suppose I'll ever see you snark nearly as much at those POVs as you do at the supposed POV of those of us who regularly defend gay-related categories, will I?) Bearcat 20:23, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Please do not make assumptions other than good WP:FAITH. Speaking personally, I have nothing against gay-related articles or categories, but this particular category is, as I said, inherently POV and frequently attracts original research.  Hall Monitor 20:37, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Woah there, slow down. My point is exactly that: people let their personal feelings and emotions get in the way too much around here, yes, for ones they hate as well as ones they like.  As for "snarking", did you miss my question How the hell did this get renominated so fast?   --Kbdank71 20:43, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I was referring to the side comment I've learned that people like to ignore rules like POV when discussing categories they like, which communicated low expectations of how people might conduct themselves in this discussion rather than actually addressing the matter at hand. Bearcat 22:00, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and cleanup. In my judgment there is a recognisable cultural phenomenon of gay iconography. I know of other CFD debates which have been dominated by people picking on individual entries in the category as a way of asserting the category's arbitrariness, but really this isn't the point: the thing to do is to remove the dubious articles from the category, or challenge others to provide a justification for their being in it. I like the idea suggested on the last CFD vote on this (less than a month ago) of not listing any article unless it justifies their inclusion as a 'gay icon' in the article text. David | Talk 20:55, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - I really don't see how this is "inherently POV". Sure, you could add to it in a way that is POV, but that doesn't mean it will be in all cases. And, if it was already kept from a CFD, I don't feel renominating it is proper style. But, I'll just assume Calsicol was not aware of the previous CFD. --Phroziac (talk) 21:48, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not so much POV as that who constitutes a gay icon is variable, based on location (for example, Carole Pope and Mitsou would be classed as gay icons in Canada, but aren't really all that well-known in the United States), age (Judy Garland is largely meaningless to men of my generation, while Madonna doesn't necessarily mean that much to the generations for whom Judy Garland was an icon), and other factors. But it's also obvious that some of the additions to this category are either outlandish (Mr. Clean?!) or based on having one or two hits in gay dance clubs ten years ago but being otherwise pretty insignificant figures. (Nikki French?) And exactly how can any credible attempt at a "Gay icons" category not include the Scissor Sisters? I can't say I really care much whether this particular category stays or goes, but then I'm a freak whose tastes can hardly be taken as normative for a gay man of my generation. I'm more concerned about the veiled homophobia that often shows up in gay-related CfD votes than about this category itself. Keep, if only on the grounds that it's already survived more than one kick at this particular can. Bearcat 22:00, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I don't think this is a valid nomination at all - there just was a vote on exactly this cat, and you know, re-nominating because one did not get what one wanted is not the done style in WP. So close this bad faith nomination. The old was closed on 5th of August, with no consensus - keep. -- AlexR 22:38, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep the category itself is NPOV, the articles included could be. This is NOT a Cfd problem, if the biography article does not plainly list that they support the gay community then it should be removed.  ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  01:49, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep -- I think the category is NPOV, though the definition written on the page itself may be POV. The problem may come where not every page in this category state (as a fact) that the person has voiced support for the gay-lesbian community. We may also wish to redefine the category itself to not say Gay icons are people, or groups of people, who have a strong appeal to gay people which is POV. One option would be to say that gay icons are people, or groups of people, who have portrayed gay characters, or have voiced positive support towards the gay community or some other paraphrasing of it. Having portrayed gay characters or having voice positive support are facts that can be supported by IMDb entries, or news/magazine articles. --Hcblue 19:43, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Except that having portrayed gay characters or having voiced positive support for the LGBT community aren't, in and of themselves, the definition of being a gay icon. They may contribute to a person becoming one, but they don't define the condition. In fact, Donna Summer was a gay icon despite the fact that her few comments on the subject were generally anti-gay. Bearcat 22:26, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Summer's greatest years of popularity with the gay community were when she was seen as being supportive of gays. When she allegedly made anti-gay remarks, Summer's popularity in the gay community dried up, and she has repeatedly tried to make amends. There is a great deal of dispute about whether she even made any remarks. But she was not a gay icon in spite of her beliefs - she was not even considered to have those beliefs until the early 80's or so when she became a born-again Christian. --JamesB3 08:39, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep -- I think I've said this before, but this category is not "inherently POV". We haven't listed every single person who has ever said a good word about gays. There are many personalities who are known as being popular with the gay community, they are known for working with gay-related charities or acknowledging their gay fan base. Cher, Madonna, Bette Midler, etc. are known for this. This is also the case with Barbara Streisand, who was removed yesterday until I put her back on. Bearcat criticized the category for including Mr. Clean, but most categories can have sometimes silly, erroneous entries. I deleted that weeks ago, as I deleted others like Barbara Parkins and Meg Ryan. If there are bad entries then we can remove them, or ask for elaboration - we don't have to delete the entire category. I get the feeling that we are going to be having this same argument two or three weeks from now. And I would also, just as an aside, point out that playing a gay character doesn't = gay icon. Some actors have whined that playing gay ruined their careers, kissing someone of the same gender is like kissing a dog, etc. They aren't that popular with a lot of gays, needless to say. --JamesB3 08:50, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The problem that I have come across is that less than 2% of the articles categorised in Category:Gay icons attempt to explain why they are placed in that category. What are the qualifications for one to be categorised as a gay icon?  Hall Monitor 20:26, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The qualifications are listed on the main page. A gay icon is some form of entertainment figure who is very popular or influential within the gay community. I can go to each individual page and try to explain it, if you want me to do so, but I wonder if those comments would get deleted for being irrelevant to the person's overall bio. --JamesB3 00:42, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * And how does one define "very popular within the gay community"? If explaining it in the article is irrelevant to the person's bio then I need to question if the being categorised as such is also irrelevant.  Hall Monitor 16:43, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I would define "very popular" as having a sustained amount of popularity in the gay community. For instance, Judy Garland or Madonna were/are popular for several decades, with their music and performances regularly shown, lampooned, etc. whereas something like that 80's group Dee-Lite only had one hit and a more limited lifespan within the gay community. I don't think the category is irrelevant just because those who write bios may think the information is irrelevant. It depends on whether or not the bio person feels too many side details are extraneous. --JamesB3 23:07, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep just because I'm sick of categories ending up on CfD every other day. -Seth Mahoney 22:35, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Hyacinth 20:18, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and listify. Only important, central traits of a topic should be made as categories. Being a gay icon isn't such. Concetrate on the list of gay icons instead. -Hapsiainen 13:34, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, inherently based on generalisations. McPhail 20:08, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - No definition of term, means no purpose in category.  --rob 05:21, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, same reasoning as last time; the category isn't inherently POV. --Mairi 07:44, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep not at all clear on why this is POV, NPOV IMHO. Axon (talk|contribs) 09:56, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is still original research. siafu 23:15, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Mathematician Wikipedians

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 12:58, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete: Duplicate of Category:Wikipedian mathematicians. See prior discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics. stochata 13:02, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Both Pages. More vanity pages for "Wikipedians".  Grotesque egoism value only. 12.73.194.51 14:01, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete This sort of thing is of little or no use to the official objectives of Wikipedia. Calsicol 14:36, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete almost all Wikipedian cats. -Splash 17:32, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge. What's the harm in Wikipedian cats? Vanity pages? This is a category to put on user pages. Egoism? It's a way of identifying yourself and potentially letting people get in touch with you (like Babel). Little use? Neither is Department of Fun. Sorry if I come off as ranting, but I like and use user cats. N (t/c) 21:21, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge. Agree with Nickptar.--Army1987 23:12, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment (my vote is above). There's a difference between Wiki cats and projects such as Babel.  The math equivalent of Babel would be something like, Math-1 able to handle a formula, Math-2 work with math in every day applications, etc.  This gives you a good idea of the user's (self-appraised) ability when it comes to editing.  As was mentioned on the Project Math talk pages, so few math-able people actually work as mathematicians that it is somewhat pointless to have a cat like this -- under a Babel like system they would simply be the few "native speaker" of math. --stochata 10:58, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment the term "matematician" seems to be used loosly here the instructions say that people with a degree or just interest in math topics should add themselves, not just people working as mathematicians professionaly. If you think the name is misleading (being a subcat of Wikipedians by profession is probably also somewhat misleading) we can always nominate it for renaming later, but let's get rid of this duplicate first. --Sherool 18:50, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete and move people to equivalent Category:Wikipedian mathematicians. Oleg Alexandrov 16:03, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. The harm is that we should be treating ourselves equivalently to how we treat others.  The world in general isn't allowed vanity categories, so we shouldn't allow them for Wikipedians either. Nandesuka 17:49, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * How is that relevant, seeing as how vanity categories in mainspace are prohibited for encyclopedicity, but Wikipedian categories won't be seen except by people who look at user pages? N (t/c) 18:02, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete; no point of having two versions of the same thing. Move the entries from Category:Mathematician Wikipedians to Category:Wikipedian mathematicians. -- Hcblue 19:50, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. I'll message the people in Category:Mathematician Wikipedians and ask them to recat themselves into Category:Wikipedian mathematicians, if they agree we can speedy it. --Sherool 22:00, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete both and List. siafu 18:29, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Category:Mathematician Wikipedians is now empty (the previous ocupants have relocated themselves to Category:Wikipedian mathematicians). --Sherool 16:48, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Redundant images

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 12:56, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

This category is meant as a temporary holding area, meant for images in the process of being orphaned so they can be deleted. But no one seems to have added anything to it since July. I nominated the two neglected images I found there for speedy deletion, and I assume the entire category can now just be deleted. -- Beland 04:06, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep: there is an image in there now. Dread Lord C y b e r S k u l l ✎☠ 20:55, 2005 August 26 (UTC)
 * Keep, I just added another one. dbenbenn | talk 21:58, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment I noticed that the images dont get categorized or transwikied as fast as they could, its a long tedious job. I think a temporary holding area is not a bad idea.  Maybe, if they do not exist, some good instructions or a project for interested users.  I have spent many hours trying to cat images.   ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  01:52, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Is there an existing project that this might apply to? siafu 21:52, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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Payroll Room

The "Payroll Room" is how much money in a National Hockey League (NHL) team's salary cap is left to acquire players, whether such players are signed as free agents or join the team via a trade or waivers. The term originated in 2005 with the NHL Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA), which was negotiated following a season-long lockout. The new CBA includes a salary cap (formally titled the "Upper Limit" of the Payroll Range in the agreement). Payroll room is often called cap room in the media.

A team can increase its cap room if it trades high-salary players to other teams and gets lower-paid players in their place. A team cannot trade its cap room to another team or defer its cap room to subsequent seasons. Other practices once common in the NHL, such as exchanging cash for players or agreeing to pay a portion of a player's remaining salary after trading him, have been explicitly forbidden in the new CBA to try to prevent wealthier teams from evading the restrictions of the cap.

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Clustered web hosting

Clustered hosting is a type of web hosting that spreads the load of hosting across multiple physical machines, or node, increasing availability and decreasing the chances of one service (e.g., FTP or email) affecting another (e.g., MySQL). Many large websites run on clustered hosting solutions, for example, large discussion forums will tend to run using multiple front-end webservers with multiple back-end database servers.

Typically, most hosting infrastructures are based on the paradigm of using a single physical machine to host multiple hosted services, including web, database, email, FTP and others. A single physical machine is not only a single point of failure, but also has finite capacity for traffic, that in practice can be troublesome for a busy website or for a website that is experiencing transient bursts in traffic. Clustered hosting, also known as cluster server or cluster webservers, is more than just a buzzword; it is an essential component of web infrastructure that supports the flawless operation of many online platforms

By clustering services across multiple hardware machines and using load balancing, single points of failure can be eliminated, increasing availability of a website and other web services beyond that of ordinary single server hosting. A single server can require periodic reboots for software upgrades and the like, whereas in a clustered platform you can stagger the restarts such that the service is still available whilst still upgrading all necessary machines in the cluster.

Clustered hosting is similar to cloud hosting, in that the resources of many machines are available for a website to utilize on demand, making scalability a large advantage to a clustered hosting solution.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tamara Ikenberg

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3 talk 15:42, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Tamara Ikenberg
I don't know what the policy is on every random newspaper writer, but seems pretty non-notable to me. — Laura Scudder | Talk 00:02, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as vanity, what with the "she enjoys . . ." sentence. --TheMidnighters 01:47, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete I'm sure those who are interested in what she enjoys can go elsewher -_-.Amren (talk)  03:02, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep it Tamara Ikenberg is in a class of her own, when it comes to reporting on culture.-_-.MJS (talk)  03:02, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Speedy under a7. no assertion of notability. Dottore So 18:31, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - vanity - Tεx  τ  urε  21:12, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete vanity --tranquileye 12:16:34, 2005-08-30 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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XVI International AIDS Conference, 2006

The XVI International AIDS Conference was held in Toronto, Ontario, during the week of 13–18 August 2006. This was the third time that Canada has hosted the International AIDS Conference, after Montreal in 1989 and Vancouver in 1996. The main venue for the conference was the Metro Toronto Convention Centre (MTCC) in downtown Toronto. The conference theme was Time to Deliver. The conference was focused on the promises and progress made to scale-up treatment, care and prevention.

In particular:
 * Accelerating research to end the epidemic
 * Expanding and sustaining human resources to scale-up treatment and prevention
 * Intensifying the involvement of affected communities
 * Building new leadership to advance the response

Activities included cultural, youth and outreach programmes as well as a Global Village, which served as an international gathering place with displays of culture, food, community, and a marketplace.

Events open to delegates and the public included The International AIDS Vigil, a public memorial to all those who have died of HIV/AIDS. The Vigil took place on at 9 pm on 17 August at Yonge-Dundas Square, Toronto.

Well-known attendees and speakers included Governor General Michaëlle Jean, Stephen Lewis (the United Nations special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa), Bill and Melinda Gates (for the Gates Foundation), Richard Gere, Alicia Keys, and Bill Clinton.

Harper controversy

Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who decided not to attend the conference, was criticized by Conference co-chairman Dr. Mark Wainberg in his speech, saying, "We are dismayed that the prime minister of Canada, Mr. Stephen Harper, is not here this evening...The role of prime minister includes the responsibility to show leadership on the world stage. Your absence sends the message that you do not consider HIV/AIDS as a critical priority, and clearly all of us here disagree with you". Canadian Minister of Health Tony Clement attended in Harper's place. Harper's absence from the conference is the second time the Canadian head of government has decided not to attend the conference. In 1996, former Prime Minister Jean Chrétien did not attend the conference.

Asylum seekers controversy
A second controversy, that followed Mr. Stephen Harper's choice to not attend, was the fact that 151 delegates who were in attendance refused to return to their home countries – instead opting to seek asylum in Canada. This development seriously hurt the credibility of the conference and many suggested that the Prime Minister's office may have been justified in its decision to not have Mr. Harper in attendance.

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Cover of Official Preppy Handbook, for use on that article.

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Washington State Route 107

State Route 107 (SR 107) is a 7.93 mi state highway serving Grays Harbor County in the U.S. state of Washington. The highway travels northeast from U.S. Route 101 (US 101) south of Cosmopolis to an interchange with US 12 in Montesano. SR 107 was created during the 1964 highway renumbering as the successor to a branch of Primary State Highway 9 (PSH 9), established earlier in 1937.

Route description

SR 107 begins at an intersection with US 101 in rural Grays Harbor County between Cosmopolis and Raymond. The highway travels north along the Little North River and east along the Chehalis River through the communities of Preachers Slough and Melbourne. SR 107 turns north in South Montesano and crosses the Chehalis River into the city of Montesano before the designation ends at a diamond interchange with US 12, while the roadway continues north as Main Street into the city.

Every year, the Washington State Department of Transportation (WSDOT) conducts a series of surveys on its highways in the state to measure traffic volume. This is expressed in terms of annual average daily traffic (AADT), which is a measure of traffic volume for any average day of the year. In 2011, WSDOT calculated that between 2,300 and 5,800 vehicles per day used the highway, mostly in the Montesano area.

History
PSH 9 was created with the primary and secondary state highways in 1937, including a 8.28 mi branch that connects the main highway and US 410 in Montesano to US 101 and PSH 14 near Artic. The current truss bridge over the Chehalis River between South Montesano and Montesano was built in 1958 alongside two other bridges in the area by the Department of Highways. SR 107 was established during the 1964 highway renumbering to replace the PSH 9 branch and was codified in 1970. The new highway was truncated to its current terminus, a diamond interchange with US 12, after Montesano was bypassed by US 12 in 1967. The highway is closed occasionally by seasonal flooding, most recently in 1994 and 2008.

The 731 ft Chehalis River bridge was rehabilitated by the state government from 2019 to 2021 at a cost of $25.2 million, funded by the Connecting Washington package passed in 2015. The project included repainting the bridge's steel truss to prevent corrosion, replacing the bridge deck, and replacing the wooden trestle on the south approach with concrete and steel pilings.

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Fair use in Starr Struck: Best of Ringo Starr, Vol. 2
Though this image is subject to copyright, its use is covered by the U.S. fair use laws because:
 * 1) It's a low resolution copy of a CD/album cover.
 * 2) It doesn't limit the copyright owner's rights to sell the CD/album in any way, in fact, it may encourage sales.
 * 3) Because of the low resolution, copies could not be used to make illegal copies of the album artwork on another CD.
 * 4) The image is itself a subject of discussion in the article or used in the infobox thereof.
 * 5) The image on the cover is significant because it was made by a famous artist.

Source

 * 1) Derived from a digital capture (scan/photo) of the album/CD cover (creator of this digital version is irrelevant as the copyright in all equivalent images is still held by the same party). Copyright held by the record company or the artist. Claimed as fair use regardless.

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Hova

Hova may refer to:
 * Jay-Z, an American rapper, businessman
 * Hova (Madagascar), one of the three main social classes in the pre-colonial Kingdom of Imerina in Madagascar
 * Hova, Sweden, a locality
 * Battle of Hova, fought in 1275
 * French destroyer Hova, a French ship which served in World War I
 * USS Hova (DE-110), a World War II Free French and post-war French Navy frigate
 * Helge Høva (1928–2010), Norwegian politician
 * Hova, a character in the 2006 animated movie The Ant Bully, voiced by Julia Roberts

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KinK

KinK was a Canadian documentary television series, which first aired in 2001 on Showcase. The series profiled some of the more unusual edges of human sexuality, primarily the kink and fetish scenes. It was filmed in Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver and Winnipeg; the fifth season, set in Halifax, Nova Scotia, first aired in September 2006. KinK was produced by Vancouver's Paperny Films.

The series' official website and home video releases are no longer available after Paperny Entertainment's parent company Entertainment One was acquired by Hasbro in December 2019.

Concept
This series highlights different people's real-life kinks, as defined by the person being observed. Each episode takes an in-depth look at the lifestyles of two or three people (or couples), and how their kink affects their life. Each season of the show follows these couples as they learn and progress through the lifestyle.

Seasons

 * 2001 13 x 30 min (Showcase)
 * 2002 13 x 30 min (Showcase)
 * 2003 13 x 30 min (Showcase)
 * 2005 11 x 30 min (Showcase)
 * 2006 13 x 30 min (Showcase)

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WWL-FM

WWL-FM (105.3 MHz) is a commercial radio radio station licensed to Kenner, Louisiana, and serving the New Orleans metropolitan area. It is owned by Audacy, Inc.  WWL-FM and sister station WWL 870 AM simulcast a News - Talk - Sports radio format. The studios and offices are in the 400 Poydras Tower in the New Orleans Central Business District.

WWL-FM has an effective radiated power (ERP) of 96,000 watts. Its transmitter site is off Paris Road in Chalmette, Louisiana. WWL-FM broadcasts in the HD Radio hybrid format, with its HD2 digital subchannel carrying both Infinity Sports Network and shows on food and lifestyles.

News - Talk
The weekday schedule features news and talk programming mornings and early afternoons, shifting to sports talk and live play-by-play after 4 pm. All weekday programming from 5 a.m. to 8 p.m. is hosted by local WWL personalities and reporters. The only nationally syndicated programs are Infinity Sports Network shows at 8 pm, family finances expert Dave Ramsey at 1 a.m. and This Morning, America's First News with Gordon Deal, at 4 am.

Weekend programming includes shows on money, law, gardening, home improvement and the outdoors before sports takes over the schedule. WWL is a long-time affiliate of the CBS Radio Network. Most hours on weekdays begin with local newscasts branded as WWL First News, while CBS News begins most hours nights and weekends.

Sports
Sports shows begin during afternoon drive time, hosted by former NFL quarterback Bobby Herbert. WWL-AM-FM are part-time Infinity Sports Network affiliates. Programming from that network is heard in late evenings, and in several blocks during the day on weekends. When two live sporting events occur at the same time, one of the games moves to sister station WWWL 1350 AM, which airs a mostly sports format.

For many years, WWL has been the flagship station for broadcasts of New Orleans Saints football games, continuously since the 1995 season. WWL-AM-FM continue to be the lead stations on the New Orleans Saints Radio Network, with affiliates in Louisiana, Mississippi and three other states.

WWL-AM-FM are also the flagships for New Orleans Pelicans basketball broadcasts. The team had been with 100.3 KLRZ Larose for five years leading up to 2024. With the 2024-25 season, team broadcasts return to WWL-AM-FM.

WWL-AM-FM serve as the New Orleans outlets of the LSU Tigers, simulcasting all football games, while some men's basketball and baseball games are also heard. WWL-AM-FM share flagship status with WDGL 98.1 FM in Baton Rouge. WWL was previously the radio home of the Tulane Green Wave.

WVSL, WXEL, WAIL, WLTS, WKZN
On September 8, 1970, the station signed on the air as WVSL-FM in Slidell, Louisiana. It was owned by Bill Garrett Broadcasting, which also owned WBGS (1560 AM). In the late 1970s, the call sign for 105.3 was WXEL. In 1981, the station switched formats to rhythmic contemporary as WAIL.

The station was acquired in 1984 by Phase Two Broadcasting, which changed the call sign to WLTS, and flipped to a soft adult contemporary format. "Lite 105" spent 16 years in this format, although over time, the playlist shifted to a more uptempo, mainstream direction.

In 1999, the station was acquired by Entercom, its current owner. The city of license was changed from Slidell to Kenner, where Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport is located. During this time, the station evolved to a hot adult contemporary format as WKZN "105.3 The Zone".

Switch to WWL-FM
On August 29, 2005, the station's transmitter was severely damaged during Hurricane Katrina, knocking it off the air. It returned to broadcasting with low power as a temporary simulcast of co-owned WWL 870. Other FM stations in New Orleans suspended their music formats during the storm's aftermath to rebroadcast news from local TV stations.

In early October 2005, Entercom decided to switch two of its New Orleans FM station dial positions, with WTKL and WKBU exchanging frequencies. FM 105.3 became WTKL with a classic hits format and the "Kool" name, formerly "Kool 95.7". However, only three weeks later, it was decided by Entercom to scrap the classic hits format and return 105.3 to the WWL simulcast. Entercom cited positive listener response to WWL being heard on FM and complaints about its removal from the FM dial. Some listeners said they wanted WWL programming to remain on FM due to issues receiving the AM station in the New Orleans Central Business District. The "Kool 105.3" format continued as an Internet-only webcast for a short time after it was discontinued on FM.

With 105.3 simulcasting WWL, Entercom asked the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to switch the call letters to WWL-FM. Sister station WLMG was the original home of the WWL-FM call sign, from 1970 to 1980, airing beautiful music at first, and then Top 40 hits.

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Talk:Starman (Jack Knight)

Untitled
The grammar of this page is all mucked up. I'll see if I can fix it, and maybe have a leisurely browse through my copies of the series and add a bit. --Eric TF Bat 00:07, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Powers
Can we actually list the powers that the rod gives him, and simply note it as the source, rather than listing nothing?

 * I second that. Batman has no superpowers, but it doesn't say he has no skills of his own.  If I recall correctly, Jack Knight had trained in some form of martial arts (Ninjitsu, I think) and has used such training in his fights.  And the powers of the cosmic rod (flight, light ray, etc.) should also be listed as part of Knight's powers. 76.228.117.12 (talk) 10:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Infobox streamlining
In regards to the edit of this character's "Notable Powers" section of the Infobox, please see revelant topics at WikiProject Comics/templates and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics. Thanks. dfg 05:05, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Next time, pleae do more than just erase information. If you don't like it there, ADD the relevant in-article section.ThuranX 05:33, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Confusing
Hello. Let me clarify my tagging of this article as "confusing". First off, it should cut off into a "character history" section. Second, that same history reads in a way which is hard for someone unfamiliar to understand. I assumed someone more familiar would be better suited to correct it, thus the tag. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 22:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I have edited to break up sections, review for tense, and expanded some sections. Next I'll work for a more 'Out-of-universe', but that's not a 'confusion tag' matter. ThuranX 01:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Ref Tag
per the tag, I've moved the embedded refs which were already present into fuller cites at the end. It appears that while I was working on that, Brian Boru removed the tagging. I'll assume this meas I've satisfied the needs of the tagger. ThuranX 18:53, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Gaiman Aside
I've deleted the section on Neil Gaiman: offtopic trivia and not likely to be true, give the raison'detre of Image Comics. NG famously objected to the use of his character "Death" in Captain Atom #42 but could not stop it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.68.167 (talk) 20:01, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Blackest Night and Starman #81
It at least needs mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.251.143.160 (talk) 07:44, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Split
The is enough notability for articles both on the character Starman (Jack Knight) and the series Starman (1994 series) in which he appeared. The series was critical acclaimed and won several Eisners and other awards.--Beware the Unknown (talk) 07:37, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Notability, yes. Content, no.
 * Ideally, the real world context for both volumes of the comic should be laid out within Starman (comics). If that article becomes overly long, ~70k file size mark, then things can be split out of it. And the likely cuts there are going to be 3 of the characters - Mikaal, Gavyn, and Payton - and story arcs from Starman v2.
 * Also keep in mind, there is no need to split anything out of this article at this time. Content wise or file size wise.
 * - J Greb (talk) 15:11, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

 * And just moved it over to the hub article.
 * For all practical purposes Starman (comics) is where the information should be housed as the more general article. Not with an article on a particular one of the Starmen.
 * - J Greb (talk) 01:42, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Lists of Starman story arcs
I'm working on a list of Starman story arcs at User:Beware the Unknown/Lists of Starman story arcs. Feel free to help. Thanks! ;)--Beware the Unknown (talk) 00:27, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

TPB listing
This article needs a listing of the collected editions! brain (talk) 19:20, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

External links modified
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Underground barbecue

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3 talk 15:37, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Underground barbecue
Article makes it clear that this is a new concept, invented by some guys who like to barbecue. Nice idea, but very clearly unenyclopedic and unverifiable. I don't see a good way to speedy it, though. So, Delete Friday (talk) 00:08, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. I thought this was going to be an article about Kalua. Non-notable group. Fernando Rizo T/C 00:39, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, nn and possibly unverifiable. --Idont Havaname 00:50, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

 * In reaction to this deletion attempt:

I must still remind you that the original article with this exact content is on Wikipedia since june 25th, 2005. It seems inconsistent with Wikipedia's philosophy to engage an article who was approved and part of this free encyclopedia for 2 months in a process for deletion.

As for the reasons of why this article exists, even if it is uncommon in Wikipedia for one to justify and defend the presentation and description of a social activity, the Underground barbecue is -I must repeat- a social activity and it is pertinent for people to know about it and expand the idea. Some Internet content exists about similar activities, and the persons who created it are not related to me.

Thank you.

http://undergroundozarks.com/blog/index.php/2005/05/02/underground_barbecue?blog=2&c=1&page=1&more=1&title=underground_barbecue&tb=1&pb=1&disp=single
 * In response to the above: it would appear that your article slipped through the cracks in June. Had someone noticed it then, it most likely would have ended up here at VfD. While it may be true that underground barbecue is pertinent to "people who know about it", that's not measure enough to be in Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not an avenue to publicity, it is a tertiary source that records information from other sources. Sorry. Fernando Rizo T/C 00:39, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Again in response to the above: We've had articles here that stayed on the site for several years and were deleted. Aside from that, I echo what Fernando said. --Idont Havaname 00:50, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Sdedeo 01:01, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Keep this article alive, please. Or, you know, you might want to review my numerous articles concerning Hamas and the Ezzedeen-al-qassam brigades because some consider them as terrorists and writing articles about them may promote terrorism. Then, respectfully, you'd be missing the point, just as you do now. It's just about giving information. By threatening to delete this, you are judging the idea described because the article presents an activity wich is not widespread, but still exists, is very coherent and may grow.
 * What does underground barbecueing have to do with terrorism? Please read WP:NOT and Deletion policy for a clear understanding of why this article has been nominated for deletion. Fernando Rizo T/C 03:59, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Deleting an article is not judging the phenomenon; Wikipedia is not here to promote ideas which "are coherent and may grow". Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, which is here to report on ideas which have already grown. It is a factual repository of things which are already famous and notable, not a meme vector to promote things that want to become famous and notable. Delete. Bearcat 16:32, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete per Fernando. Just because we didn't manage to delete it the first time it appeared doesn't mean we should let it stay. There's no rights attached to an article being able to survive detection for 2 months. It's nothing personal, but Wikipedia can only report documented facts. - Mgm|(talk) 08:34, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Too secret. Proto t c 09:59, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Nonsense. Dottore So 18:33, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete micro-social phenomenon. Mindmatrix 22:10, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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User:Joolz/random test

The ten random pages test, stolen from Ambi and others. I thought I'd do this every month (until I get bored or forget) because... well, why not?

August

 * Whale - Great! A good start, it's through and quite well laid out.
 * Graham Hancock - Not bad either, not as detailed as the first article but I wouldn't expect it to be.
 * Kira Vincent-Davis - The first stub I encounter, about a voice actress I've never heard, who does voice roles in anime films, I think, although the article didn't say it.
 * CBNT - The second stub, a television call sign, and err... that's it. It's not a bad stub, as stubs go.
 * Chunnam Techno College - A stub about a college in South Korea, I think probably a university although the article doesn't make it particularly clear.
 * Intel 80486 - A proccessor chip, not a stub, looks detailed, but not something I can get enthusiastic about ;)
 * Princess Helena Victoria of Schleswig-Holstein - Quite detailed again, needed a bit of structural change, I broke it up into sections and I think that made it better.
 * R215 (KwaZulu-Natal) - A stub about a road in South Africa, although the article wasn't clear about that and I had to click on Regional Route (South Africa) to find out. At least it wasn't a British B-road though ;p
 * Autotrash - Oh dear. This article is a stub - basically an external link, it's marked with cleanup and it's on VFD, can it get any worse?
 * N.F.R.O. - A stub about a song from 2003. Looks like a good candidate to merge with the Gilbert Hotel album article (also a stub).

OK, so in total 6 out of 10 were stubs. 1 out of 10 are on VFD (I think that was just unlucky though ;) but all of them had categories, none of them (ok, bar one) need cleanup, so I don't think that's too bad. I'm quite pleased with this, actually. This sample represents around 0.00142% of Wikipedia's articles (which stands at around 700,000 when the test was conducted). Joolz 00:10, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

September

 * Kriegspiel (chess) - A stub, but certainly not a bad one. It explains concisely what it's about, but could do with some expansion.
 * Atrahasis Epic - A very short article tagged with cleanup from August. Interestingly (or not...) they have misspelt millennium not millenium but mellennium, very odd :)
 * Ayumi Asakura - An article about a Japanese actress, and that's *all* it says. The stub notices (two) take up more room than the actual article.
 * Wing Commander - Hmm, a disambiguation page - I didn't even think that they appeared using Special:Random. Well I suppose it could be formatted a little better...
 * Jean Petitot - An article imported from the 1911 Britannica in August 2005. Needs wikification, but not a stub.
 * Margaret Sambiria - An article about a Danish Queen consort. Not too shabby.
 * Riigihoidja - An article about Estonian politics, quite short and could do with expansion.
 * Vauban (disambiguation) - Another disambiguation page! Slightly better than before, but still...
 * Tin Machine - Marked as having an inappropriate tone and it could do with some general cleanup. Rather dissapointing.
 * 1689 in music - The worst article so far, basically. It is lacking... everything? The section are: Events, Opera, Births and Deaths which is rather unusual ;) And the only section with anything under it is opera. It has existed since 2003 and very little has changed on it.

So... 4 articles which are tagged as stubs (although more were quite short), 2 disambiguation pages, which is odd as I had none last time. 2 articles are marked with various cleanup tags and 1 is an import from Britannica. This seems to have got worse from last time, however this sample isn't really representative of Wikipedia (well, nor was the last one ;), there are around 734,000 articles so this sample represents 0.00136% of wikipedia. -- Joolz 17:35, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

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