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Talk:Charleston, South Carolina

Archive
Archive 1 contains talk from 2007 and earlier. See that archive for discussions on sister cities, Joseph P. Riley, Jr., slave trade, current population, a Rainbow Row image, listing local malls, economy, earthquake of 1886, introduction text, Greenberg's Judaism, use of the words slave and race, restoring deleted text, latin version of the city name, lists vs. prose, racial makeup,, firefighter deaths of 2007, correction of population statistic, and religious intolerance.

Feel free to start a new discussion on any of these topics, but please read the archived discussion first.

Caption
"Where you exit I-26 onto Meeting Street in Charleston." Really. This is the best you could do? 24.211.215.187 (talk) 04:31, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Too many lists
There are way too many lists in this article. Charleston is such a great place that I am surprised no one has tried to bring this up to featured article status. I am going to attck the lists and will make some entries here if anyone wants to discuss my conversions or deletions. - PennySpender1983 (talk) 01:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

List of Marinas
My first work on the lists was the list of marinas. I deleted this list for Relevance. A bulleted list of marinas does not seem relevant to an encyclopedic article on a place like Charleson. I did move the list to CharlestonWiki.org/?title=List_of_marinas, where relevance is not as much of a concern.

A list of current and past marinas could be relevant in an article on the maritime history of Charleston, if someone wants to take up that task. - PennySpender1983 (talk) 02:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

List of Neighborhoods
I deleted the list of neighborhoods and subdivisions based one Relevance. I cannot beleive that there might be articles in WP that have acheived either Featured or Good status that contain a list like this. Again I moved this list to CharlestonWiki.org/List_of_neighborhoods. - PennySpender1983 (talk) 02:51, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Notable People
I agree with the sentiment (12 years ago) that this article is way overstuffed with lists. Most of them are headed with hyperlinks to full lists already. I'm not saying that the main article on Charleston needs to just be an aggregation of those links, but some severe winnowing needs to happen. Especially for lists that do not claim to be comprehensive (and really, really especially when there is a hyperlink to a full list elsewhere), I'd like to suggest trimming some of those. The list of notable people includes several people who are not really all that notable to start with and certainly no one associates them with Charleston. It's also a mishmash of historical people (colonial governors) to social media influencers. I don't want to lop off most of the entries, but does anyone have strong feelings about this? Or which (five or six?) are really characteristic of the notable people?ProfReader (talk) 00:31, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello! I have always thought that this article has sucked and revamping it has been on my to-do list for quite some time. I would not oppose you chopping off a bit of the history section and moving it to the other article. I have been watching what you have been doing with appreciation. Keep up the good work! Muttnick (talk) 02:56, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Carolopolis
I've restored "Carolopolis" under the nicknames -- discussion notes that it had previously been removed because someone thought it "silly" to include the Latin name of the city. Understandable, however, Charleston is one of very few cities in the New World to which scholarship gave a Latin name, so I think it's noteworthy. More importantly, the name appears on the seal, is used in the names of several major awards given in the city, and is used in ecclesiastical records, so I think it's important to have it somewhere on the page -- although nicknames might not be the place, but it seems that if "Chucktown" is going to be included in this article, "Carolopolis" should be too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.62.75.67 (talk) 04:40, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've struck this again. "Scholarship" has not given Charleston a Latin name.  In fact, Carolopolis is not even Latin.  It is a combination of Latin and Greek.  Chucktown is, on the other hand, an actual nickname.  People actually use that in Charleston.  And, as for "Palmetto City," that is just not even remotely a nickname.  The ONLY reference I could find to someone calling Charleston the "Palmetto City" was Harper's Magazine in 1857.ProfReader (talk) 03:08, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I've again removed this. Carolopolis is NOT a nickname.  When has anyone ever actually used that in conversation?  The fact that one word MEANS the same as something else does not make it a nickname.

Port of Charleston
I've removed this sentense: "It is also the second most productive port in the world behind Hong Kong.", for it didn't had any resource. I only found this on the internet ( http://www.crda.org/business/unique_advantages/port_of_charleston.html ), but that site only says that the port of Charleston is cited as such.--Robster1983 (talk) 21:19, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it probably won't be any more. Maersk has moved out of the port, and they were a large part of business. --Scouto2 (talk) 22:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Squares
I'm taking out the list of squares in Charleston. First, there are still way too many lists in this article. Second, Charleston is not laid out around squares. In fact, there has not been a Market Square in Charleston for two hundred years. Liberty Square is not really a square in any way but name. And, Courthouse Square is not a square either; it is a street named for the land upon which the actual courthouse is built.--ProfReader (talk) 03:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Stingrays Hockey
A section should be created in sports for the Stingrays. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.238.160.2 (talk) 21:01, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Ghost (tours)
Should the fact that ghost superstition and tours are used in Charleston often be mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.36.206.39 (talk) 23:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Not particularly.113.22.24.34 (talk) 14:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Yes, if you can find a WP:RS discussing it. — Llywelyn II   03:30, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Infrastructure and economy
This section goes into pretty good detail about Charleston's Infrastructure, but nothing about the economy beyond mention of the Port. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.152.243.136 (talk) 07:07, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

History
I have created a History of Charleston, South Carolina article, in which I have transferred the original components of the History section entirely into the new article. In its place, I have shortened the section to hit the high points of historic significance and established clear historic periods. This was done to shorten the main article and highlight the extensive history of Charleston, which deserved its own article due to its length and importance. Smaller Beaufort (pop. 11,000) had a dedicated History article, as do other cities of Charleston's size and renown. --Cdamgen (talk) 21:40, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I would very much like to know how on earth it is possible to know that the earthquake of 1886 registered a 7.5 on the Richter scale, when the Richter scale didn't exist for another half century? Also, I would very much like to see any reference to a seismologist saying that it is possible for a quake of such magnitude to be felt at distances as far as those listed. I lived in southern California for 25 years, and the only quakes I felt more than 50 miles away were those over a 6.0 on the Richter scale and even those were within 100 miles of my home at the time (like the quake in Santa Cruz when I was in Monterey). A 1952 quake in California also doesn't seem to have brought reports of people feeling it more than 100 miles away. There was a quake of 8.0 in the Dominican Republic in 1946 "that also shook Haiti," which is, um, part of the same island! I have heard of reports before regarding the Charleston quake (something about church bells ringing in Boston and some witnesses saying they felt movement in New York City, but I highly doubt that the people interviewed had ANY idea of what they were talking about at all and newspapers in those days were not the greatest standard bearers for the truth. There is no doubt that a significant quake happened, but if I do not see some hard references, and some realism, I am tempted to eliminate most of the paragraph about the event. Prosandcons (talk) 05:30, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

 * Meanwhile, for what it's worth, you might like to visit the (admittedly very short) article on Henry Peronneau, and see if it can be referred to in your subsection on the Colonial period. TheAMmollusc (talk) 09:38, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

The section of Charleston history is really bad. It is. Sorry to say that, but it is really bad. There are lots of issues, but one overarching one is the length of the section. There is an entire article about just Charleston history, but I feel like this discussion in the Charleston article eclipses that other article (at least in word count). I don't know if anyone really monitors this article very much; I didn't see a heavy concentration of the same editors in the past edits. But I'd like to start a conversation here about the Charleston history section. Any thoughts on the appropriate level of detail that it deserves? I think less is more. But maybe others disagree? I'd like to move big chunks of this to the devoted article about Charleston history (where they would still need significant work), but I don't want to leave the section here with too little content. Thoughts?ProfReader (talk) 00:45, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Can someone fix this phrase? "By 1783, the growth of the city had reached a point where a municipal government because desirable..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.162.252.181 (talk) 20:31, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Population?
The first paragraph says the population is about 111,000. But the sidebar says 400,000. I assume the 400,000 figure is wrong.Cwoodw1 (talk) 18:08, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

 * I have 2 things for you to watch and those are:
 * https://kids.nationalgeographic.com/videos/topic/50-birds-50-states#9f90b420-1512-45d1-8f39-fd8e2fa46ee4
 * https://kids.nationalgeographic.com/videos/topic/50-birds-50-states#368493eb-5ce3-4940-b4c1-2ab6b6637500
 * remember they have true facts. 209.122.93.183 (talk) 23:52, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Formatting problem
Can someone please take a look at section 9.5 (museums, etc.)? There is a problem with the bullet points preceding each entry. I think that the introduction of the St. Matthew's photo has screwed something up, but I can't figure out how to fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.221.45.194 (talk) 17:59, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Demographics section
The demographics section needs to be expanded. The data on racial and ethnic groups does not correlate with 2006 estimations. Would be willing to do this myself if no one's up to the task. Thanks--(Wikipedian1234 (talk) 19:00, 8 October 2011 (UTC))
 * Also, please include the median income amount and other economic stats. Geraldshields11 (talk) 16:36, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Main
Should main be placed on this page to link to the disambiguation page for Charleston? Ryan Vesey Review me!  22:32, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Userbox
Is there a userbox for Charleston? Allen (talk) 11:01, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Tone too pro-Charleston
I know there is probably a specific statue or whatever but this article reads very pro charleston to me. Not that you need to be super neutral on an article as innocuous as this but some person with a whole lot of charleston pride greatly contributed to this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.227.228.135 (talk) 08:16, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Air Force and Navy excluded from Armed Services Section.
While the Armed Services section is already quite thin, I'm curious why the Air Force and the Navy weren't mentioned in that section at all. (LadyKatie99 (talk) 10:24, 4 August 2012 (UTC))
 * Most likely because neither branch has facilities located within city limits. Air Force facilities are located in North Charleston and Navy facilities are in Goose Creek.  Cjmclark (Contact) 16:04, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * But on the Airport section the Air Force is said to "shares [the] runways with the adjacent Charleston Air Force Base." If the airport is listed in the article, and in the article it talks about the USAF, then they should be included.--♠|RP|♠ 15:54, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * This justification is pretty thin. It's one thing to include the airport, even though it's in North Charleston; anyone flying into or out of Charleston pretty much has to use it. Including the Air Force base just because it's mentioned in association with the airport is fairly tangential. If you were going to do this, you'd actually have to address it as Joint Base Charleston, because the entity known as the "Charleston Air Force Base" technically no longer exists – and now you've bought yourself into including the Navy facilities in Goose Creek (also part of the Joint Base), which are not even remotely in Charleston. It is the area's largest employer, so I don't mind inclusion as such, but it should be designated "Joint Base Charleston" and the article should specifically mention that its facilities are located in North Charleston and Goose Creek.  Cjmclark (Contact) 20:46, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Fort Sumter
I'm still not sold on listing Fort Sumter as a Charleston attraction per se. It is technically located in Sullivan's Island, SC, not Charleston. And, while you can get there from Charleston, you can also take tours out there from Mt. Pleasant. In fact, you can actually get there from anywhere you like. . . if you have a boat. It is a national park and free to the public, and there is a dock out there you can use. The only thing is, it's on an island. So, when you pay for a tour of Ft. Sumter, you aren't actually paying for a tour of Ft. Sumter -- you're paying for the ride out there.

How about this? Add a listing for the Fort Sumter Visitor Education Center? That is the exhibit hall run by the National Parks Service with displays about the fort, and the entry can note that harbor tours with stops at the fort depart from the same area.

Here is the link to the National Parks center: http://www.nps.gov/fosu/historyculture/lisqexhibit.htm
 * Out of curiosity, what is your source for saying that Fort Sumter is "located in" Sullivan's Island? Most sources simply list it as being in "Charleston harbor", and none of the town limit/zoning maps for Sullivan's Island that I've been able to find (here, pages 54 and 55 and here) show the town limits encompassing the fort, seeming to indicate that it is in fact technically not located in the town of Sullivan's Island. The only things I've found are a Google Maps address on Sullivan's Island (likely for the visitor's center at Fort Moultrie, as Fort Sumter itself is most certainly not located at 1214 Middle Street) and some reviews from Yelp and TripAdvisor, which are not reliable sources. In light of this, and given the historical significance the fort has to the city of Charleston, it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me not to include it here.  Cjmclark (Contact) 19:26, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

 * The National Register application lists its address as within Sullivans Island. And, while it is important to Charleston, the problem is that the list is of attractions IN Charleston, not things that are important TO Charleston.  Take Middleton Place as another example.  Middleton Place (and Drayton Hall) are important to Charleston's history and are far more closely related to Charleston than Summerville or some other place.  But, they don't show up on the sites IN Charleston.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.59.37.131 (talk) 22:10, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The only issue I have here is that mailing address is not an indicator of factual location. The maps linked above show pretty clearly that the actual fort itself is not located within the boundaries of the Town of Sullivan's Island.  Cjmclark (Contact) 19:03, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I can agree with that, but the original point of my suggestion is still floating around out there. Even if the island is not part of Sullivan's Island, it is also undoubtedly not part of Charleston. I'm not really interested in listing it as part of Sullivan's Island, but I do object to listing it as part of Charleston.  It is definitey not in Charleston even if it is closely associated with Charleston. The list of attractions is specifically a list of attractions in Charleston, and this one isn't. There is already a mention of Charleston's role in the start of the Civil War under the history section, and a mention is fair game there.  But, I just don't think listing Ft. Sumter by itself as a Charleston attraction is right. Other sections of this article have likewise applied a strict standard in eliminating references to nearby roads, parks, resources, sporting teams, etc. (unless the caption specifically refers to nearby things). I still think that a reference to the National Park's visitor center dedicated to the history of the fort is a fine thing to include with a note that tours to the actual fort leave from nearby.
 * No, it undoubtably is part of Charleston. See also any WP:RS book published on the American Civil War, which will place the battle at Charleston or Charleston Harbor, fought by the Charleston militia. It was part of the city's defensive works (it wasn't there to protect Sullivan Island or random shipping lanes) and discussion of it and its battle belong not just in the article but in the lead section. — Llywelyn II   03:34, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

 * ✅ — Llywelyn II   03:36, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Location of Boeing Charleston Factory
I have twice reverted the addition of information regarding the Boeing Charleston Factory being located "at" the Charleston International Airport. Boeing owns the land that its facilities have been built on, so they are not part of the airport, regardless of being shown on a map of the airport. Furthermore, the airport is only listed here because it services the Charleston area, so the addition of the Boeing plant (located in North Charleston) does not add value to the article.  Cjmclark (Contact) 19:02, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * After looking into it a little deeper, Boeing is actually only leasing the land from the airport authority until its purchase of that land plus additional acreage is finalized later this year (see here). I'm still not sold that the plant warrants mention in the Charleston article, however, unless it's under the economics section, as Boeing is a major employer in the area. It certainly should appear in the airport's article.  Cjmclark (Contact) 19:16, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

 * Okay. Now were getting somewhere. lol. Ill agree with you on the Economics section and the airport article. Economics is a must because it brought like 2,000+ jobs to the Charelston-"Metro" area. ♠|RP|♠ 12:55, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

 * Huh? Of course it is "at" the airport. In this instance the use of the word "at" perfectly matches the definition of the word. Merriam-Webster defines "at" as "used as a function word to indicate presence or occurrence in, on, or near." So the Boeing factor is both "near" the airport, immediately adjacent the airfield, and "in" the secure fence of the airport. Boeing planes don't land "at" the airport and then call Uber to get to the factory. If you got a call tomorrow from a lawyer saying you inherited property "on" the Mississippi River, would you not know he meant property "adjacent" to the river? Or would you be upset because it was not literally floating "on" the river? - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 06:11, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Colonial Name
For historic colony this should be titled "Province of South Carolina." The colony was never officially called simply a colony, most of the 13 colonies were officially Provinces. In fact the link pointing to the article is also called Province of South Carolina. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.244.95.175 (talk) 16:56, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Armed Forces listing
There has been an ongoing content dispute over the addition to this article of armed forces units and vessels located in the greater metro area. This issue was previously addressed by Cjmclark a couple years ago an older thread on this page. However, as there were only a handful of participants, and given the current content dispute, I wanted to re-open the discussion.

I have attempted to discuss the issue on the other user's talk page at User talk:Scsu76, but they have refused to respond - simply reverting. Their argument seems to be that because the base is called "Joint Base Charleston" (and not "Joint Base North Charleston", nor "Joint Base Charleston Metro Area"), and because Charleston owes its development to the military, that the military section needs to be expanded to cover all military units in the metro area. This despite the fact that most of those units are actually not within the borders of Charleston itself, but instead are located in the greater Charleston, South Carolina metropolitan area, mostly in the cities of North Charleston, South Carolina, Goose Creek, South Carolina, and Hanahan, South Carolina. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 04:42, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Listing of specific units might be excessive. However listing of nearby bases, even if outside of the city limits proper, should be included, as well as any demographic information on the economic benefits those bases have on the city.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:02, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree, that should be sufficient, and is already mentioned in the article (in the History section as well as the Armed Forces section). But the long list being added (, which includes individual ship names, unit names, as well as the emblem/shield/logo of several of those units is simply too much.
 * Incidentally, much of the list being added here is also listed in the neighboring city articles for North Charleston, Goose Creek, and Hanahan. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:52, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I hate lists within articles. There is probably enough notability to start an article Military forces in Charleston, SC. Here is just one book on this subject. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 01:24, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * A title such as Military forces in Charleston, SC wouldn't really solve the problem that the majority of the vessels and units are not actually within the city borders of Charleston. They are within the greater metro area, mostly within the neighboring cities of North Charleston, South Carolina, Goose Creek, South Carolina, and Hanahan, South Carolina.
 * As a result, I agree with RightCowLeftCoast (above) that mentioning the nearby bases in this article is appropriate - and indeed they are already mentioned; but that the units and vessels don't really belong in this article. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:03, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Also why the list of highways and routes? Why not have them in collapsed list? Why keep that list, and not this list?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:32, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I think you should rewrite the highway section to get rid of the list. WP:PROSE says "Prose is preferred in articles as prose allows the presentation of detail and clarification of context." - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 05:53, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Well maybe people would be looking for an article like Military bases somewhat near Charleston, SC that have Charleston in their name. WP:No excessive literalism!! - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 05:53, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Timeline of Charleston, South Carolina
What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 09:14, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite Freemasonry
March 31, 1801, a group called The Eleven Gentlemen of Charleston organized what is today's Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite Freemasonry. The Scottish Rite was organized in Charleston at what was Sheppard's Tavern. Every Scottish Rite body that opens, across the United States and the world, always mentions Charleston as the place of the Rite's birth. Given the important cultural value of the Scottish Rite and its impact on society, I do believe the Rite deserves a mention in the overall history of Charleston. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.214.204.182 (talk) 17:42, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

lacking museums
Mace Brown Museum of Natural History, and Confederate Museum.--Manfariel (talk) 00:40, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Scenes of destruction
I replaced the unsourced claim that the '65 image solely showed destruction owed to the '61 fire as (a) completely unsourced and (b) highly dubious, but if there is sourcing somewhere for that claim feel free to restore the information. I think a generic caption about the city's ruined state and reference to both major fires works better to illustrate the article and the city but, if the detail is accurate, it certainly belongs on the picture's summary at Commons (which says nothing of the kind atm) and could go here in a efn note. — Llywelyn II   03:51, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Britannica
Well, honestly the history section here could use paring and merging into the History of Charleston, South Carolina, article at this point, but it'd probably be best to mine the rest of the info from the EB9 and EB11 articles first on topics such as the 19th-century railroad links, rice mills, phosphate and fertilizer industry, &c., and as a source verifying that the focus of the economy long remained based on cotton. The current article wants to upsell the industrial development up to 1880 but in 1878 $18.7m of the city's $19.7m exports was cotton; there was more development after but some explanation should be found for the bottom falling out of its exports: only $10.8m in 1897 and less than $2.2m in 1907. Also has some other interesting points, such as the black and white schools of the 19th century both being almost entirely staffed by white women. (The remainder being 4 white men.) — Llywelyn II   03:44, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Commons
There's also much more at Category:Charleston at Commons and its subcategories like Category:History of Charleston. The city has been important for long enough that we should basically be able to have period paintings throughout its history mixed with topical images like the Indian map or the photos of the Battery in 1863 and the destruction in 1865. — Llywelyn II   03:51, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Rollback of edits
Marek69 seems to have adopted an arbitrary standard, rolling back my edits today when I was still working on the article, saying the reason was "more than 10 edits". But the rollback rules do not address this - it says "Rollback should only be used to revert vandalism and should never be used to revert good faith edits or in content disputes." I see that Marek69 has also been working on this article and, as most editors do, apparently prefers his version. My edits are good faith and are not vandalism. Of course there are issues over which we can disagree. I think it usually strengthens an article to use active voice, and had content to add about some portions of the slave trade and history, among others. I have worked on this article before, as well as several articles about Southern history, the Denmark Vesey rebellion, the domestic slave trade, etc. I also added sourced content from a 2011 article about the shift in ethnic population from 1980 to 2010 on the peninsula, as it seemed pertinent to an article about the city including recent history.Parkwells (talk) 19:25, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Marek69 rolled back my second edit today, using the same "more than 10 edits," before I even had a chance to add the cite. The editor has not responded to my efforts to discuss content.Parkwells (talk) 15:44, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

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Dew point
"The dewpoint in June to August ranges from 67.8 to 71.4 °F (19.9 to 21.9 °C).[17]"

Outdated, the dew point is in the mid 70s currently and will be at least 72 thru this week, in September, and hits upper 70s regularly in mid summer, when nights are consistently in the upper 70s to 80. B137 (talk) 15:22, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

From the Lede

 * Charleston was controlled by an oligarchy of white planters and merchants who [...] launched the Civil War

Can we have a source on this? - 91.10.15.216 (talk) 23:42, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Geography + Mount Pleasant
I updated the regions section to include Mount Pleasant as this is a highly populated residential and commercial town where many (if not most) Charlestonians live. I consider it a region of Charleston because it is directly across the river from the peninsula, and anyone who lives in Mount Pleasant considers themselves to be living "in Charleston". Futhermore, the Charleston official website considers it a highlighted area in "Charleston". I'm curious if you all think Sullivan's Island and Isle Of Palms should be included on this list for similar reasons? Sarahjessamyn (talk) 20:42, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * First, I agree that Mt. Pleasant is basically Charleston. I also agree that Sullivan's Island and Isle of Palms are also basically Charleston. But I must note that most Charlestonians do not live in Mt. Pleasant if you look at the population numbers. Muttnick (talk) 01:43, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Good point, I didn't base my assumption that most Charlestonians live in Mt. Pleasant on any data (this is not included on the article page). Thanks for your corroboration, I added in Sullivan's Island and Isle of Palms to the list. Sarahjessamyn (talk) 14:56, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

 * This article is about the city of Charleston, not the surrounding cities. In other words, if it's outside the city limits, it really shouldn't be mentioned here. There is a separate article for the Charleston metro area, which includes Charleston and the surrounding suburbs. Sullivan's Island, IOP, and Mount Pleasant are separate municipalities, so should not be mentioned as sections or neighborhoods of Charleston. --JonRidinger (talk) 15:04, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * JohnRidinger is correct, in my haste to correct the assumption (as a proud Charlestonian) I misspoke. However, there is no reason not to add this information to the metro wikipedia article. It is linked to in the first paragraph of the article. Muttnick (talk) 15:50, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

So what's it called really?
In the same article, the city is referred to as Charles Town, Charlestown, and Charleston. The only note of a name change is "about 1719". In fact, the name of the city was changed in 1783 according to the history timeline. Most of the article deals with the current city, so it would be Charleston of course, but when speaking of historical events is it feasible to use the official name of the city? If so, it would be Charles Town until 1783, and Charleston thereafter. Humphrey Tribble (talk) 23:38, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Morris Street School
I would be happy to have help with this draft. FloridaArmy (talk) 15:27, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Photo request
Would love a photo of the Marx Cohen Jr. cenotaph at Coming Street Cemetery for List of Confederate duels. TY if anyone can help! jengod (talk) 15:09, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Charleston’s Jewish population
Should the fact that Charleston was at one point the most Jewish city in US be mentioned in the intro? 2600:100C:A20A:17AF:391E:5C87:CC3F:37E0 (talk) 00:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

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Irving Charles Velson

Irving Charles Velson (June 3, 1913 - 1976) was an American who had a long career in the Communist Party of the United States (CPUSA) secret apparatus and who allegedly worked for Soviet Military Intelligence (GRU). He was the son of Clara Lemlich Shavelson and changed his name to Velson by 1938. Velson worked as a machinist at the Brooklyn Navy Yard from 1931 to 1938.

According to Congressional investigators, Velson worked closely with J. Peters, head of the CPUSA's secret apparatus, and supported Cpl. Robert Osman in espionage activities on behalf of the GRU in the Panama Canal Zone. Robert Gladnick, a former CPUSA functionary and a member of the Lincoln Brigade supported this version. Gladnick stated that Bernard Schuster (aka Bernard Chester) then director of the CPUSA's antimilitarist operations, was replaced in the mid-1930s by Velson, in a program to develop secret Communist groups among American military personnel. Venona decrypts show Velson reporting on weapons technology and other agent handling tasks.

Velson's code name with the GRU, and as deciphered by the Venona project is "Nick".

Venona
Velson is referenced in the following Venona decryptions:

 * 1324 GRU New York to Moscow, 11 August 1943;
 * 1456 GRU New York to Moscow, 8 September 1943.

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Eric Malpass

Eric Lawson Malpass (14 November 1910 – 16 October 1996) was an English novelist noted for witty descriptions of rural family life, notably of his creation, the extended Pentecost family. He also wrote historical fiction ranging from the late Middle Ages to Edwardian England, and acquired a devoted readership on the Continent, particularly in Germany, where most of his books were translated.

Life
Born in Derby and educated at King Henry VIII School, Coventry, Malpass, while writing in his spare time, worked for Barclays Bank in Long Eaton, Derbyshire. He would return home after a day's work and spend the evening writing. He was a regular contributor to Argosy, a short story magazine although it took him many years before he was first published. Many other short story magazines took his work and in 1955 he won the Observer short story competition.

His first book, Beefy Jones, soon followed, and then Morning's at Seven which received good reviews, but poor sales in the UK. However, it topped the bestseller list of Der Spiegel in Germany and remained there for three years, after which it was stipulated that no book could remain there for so long in future. After his initial successes, especially with Morning's at Seven, he turned to writing full-time. The bank refused initially to accept his resignation, then said he would forfeit his pension and only changed its mind after very protracted discussions.

Married, with one son, two granddaughters and five great grandchildren, Malpass lived in Long Eaton until five years before his death, when he moved to Bishop's Waltham in Hampshire.

Novels
Tales from the Pentecost Family:
 * Morning's at Seven (London: Heinemann, 1965)
 * At the Height of the Moon (London: Heinemann, 1967)
 * Fortinbras Has Escaped (London: Pan Books, 1970)
 * The Long Long Dances (London: Corgi, 1978)
 * Summer Awakening (London: Corgi, 1978)
 * Evensong (1982)
 * Pig-in-the-Middle (1989)

Other humorous novels:
 * Beefy Jones (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1957)
 * Oh My Darling Daughter (London: Eyre & Spottiswoode, 1970)
 * Familie Limmerick (1971)

The Shakespeare Trilogy:
 * Part I: Sweet Will (London: Macmillan, 1973)
 * Part II: The Cleopatra Boy (London: Macmillan, 1974)
 * Part III: A House of Women (London: Macmillan, 1975)

Other novels with historical background:
 * The Wind Brings Up the Rain (London: Heinemann, 1978)
 * The Raising of Lazarus Pike (1980)
 * The Lamplight and the Stars (London: Hamlyn, 1985)
 * Of Human Frailty (a biographical novel of Thomas Cranmer) (London: Robert Hale, 1986)

All his novels were republished in 2001 by House of Stratus.

Short stories

 * "The Return of the Moon Man"

Filmed versions
Malpass's books have never been filmed in his native England. Rather, it was mainly in Germany again where his success story continued on the big screen.

 * Morgens um sieben ist die Welt noch in Ordnung (In the Morning at Seven the World Is Still in Order) (West Germany, 1968) — directed by Kurt Hoffmann, starring Archibald Eser (as seven-year-old Gaylord Pentecost), Gerlinde Locker, Werner Hinz, Agnes Windeck and Diana Körner; music by James Last; based on Morning's at Seven
 *  (When Sweet Moonlight Is Sleeping in the Hills) (West Germany, 1969) — a sequel to the 1968 movie; directed by Wolfgang Liebeneiner, with more or less the same cast; based on At the Height of the Moon
 * Als Mutter streikte (When Mother Went on Strike) (West Germany, 1974) — directed by Eberhard Schröder, starring Peter Hall, Johanna Matz, Gila von Weitershausen, Gaby Dohm and Elisabeth Flickenschildt; based on Oh My Darling Daughter
 * Mon ami Gaylord (France, 1979) — a six-part mini-series directed by Pierre Goutas, also based on Morning's at Seven.

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Paul O'Brien (actor)

Paul O'Brien (born 14 April 1978) is a South African-Australian actor, known for his role as Jack Holden in the television soap opera Home and Away, for which he won the Logie Award for Most Popular New Male Talent in 2006.

Early life
O'Brien was born in South Africa. Growing up, he lived in South Africa, Mauritius and Australia, before his family settled on the Gold Coast. He has a brother and a sister. O'Brien was a chef, before he moved to Melbourne when he was 21 to pursue a career in acting. While searching for work, he performed stand-up comedy and starred in various short films and stage productions.

Career
O'Brien made his stage debut in a production of Julia Britton's Five Minute Call at The Butterfly Club in 2004. He joined the cast of soap opera Home and Away as police constable Jack Holden in 2005. O'Brien relocated to Sydney from Melbourne for the role. One of his character's most notable storylines was an on-again-off-again romance with Jodi Gordon's Martha Mackenzie. For his portrayal of Jack, O'Brien won the Logie Award for Most Popular New Male Talent in 2006, and was further nominated for Most Popular Actor in 2007 and 2008. He was named the runner-up, behind comedian Andy Lee, in the 2006 Cleo Bachelor of the Year competition.

In 2008, O'Brien took part in the third series of It Takes Two, an Australian reality show in which celebrities compete against each other by singing. O'Brien was partnered with pop singer Jade MacRae and they finished in fourth position. O'Brien left Home and Away in 2008 and his character was killed off, with his last scenes airing in early 2009. After leaving the serial, O'Brien joined the cast of Underbelly Files: Tell Them Lucifer was Here as murdered police officer Rodney Miller. Fellow Home and Away actor Todd Lasance also starred in the series, but O'Brien said he did not think their characters' paths would cross.

O'Brien began to pursue a film career, beginning with a part in John Doe: Vigilante (dir. Kelly Dolen) before securing the role of ex-assassin Ryan Teller in Message Man (dir. Corey Pearson).

In October 2013, it was announced that he had joined the cast of Neighbours in the guest role of Eric Edwards. O'Brien starred in The Subjects (dir. Robert Mond), short films Peacekeeper and Without A Shirt, before appearing in Project Eden: Vol I as Agent Williams.

In December 2017, O'Brien was cast as the lead opposite John Jarrett in the Christmas comedy Christmas Down Under, directed by Louis Mandylor. Christmas Down Under was released in 2018. In 2018, O'Brien was cast opposite Catherine Bell in Hallmark's A Summer to Remember. That same year, he starred in the Indonesia set film Message Man as a ruthless hitman who comes out of retirement to avenge a poor Indonesian family who are being terrorized by modern-day child slavers.

In March 2023, O'Brien began shooting the Australian feature film The Gorge in Queensland, alongside fellow Home and Away actor Lincoln Lewis.

Paul O'Brien Acting
O'Brien launched his acting school, Paul O'Brien Acting, to help actors become working actors. O'Brien felt that a lot of what was taught to him was outdated or redundant in the world of film and television acting.

Based in South Yarra, Victoria, O'Brien has helped many of his students get agents, get auditions and book roles. He stands by the Flow Technique as being the most effective approach to acting and auditions.

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James Turner

James Turner may refer to:

Entertainment

 * James Alfred Turner (1850–1908), Australian painter
 * James Turner (illustrator) (active 2005–2008), Canadian writer and illustrator of graphic novels
 * James Turner, a character in Swallows and Amazons
 * James Turner, a character in the 2017 film Death Note

Politics

 * James Aspinall Turner (1797–1867), British businessman, entomologist and Whig politician
 * James M. Turner (politician) (1928–1981), American politician and criminal from New Jersey
 * James Milton Turner (1840–1915), ambassador to Liberia and asst. superintendent of Missouri schools
 * James Munroe Turner (1850–1896), American politician in Michigan
 * James Turner (Canadian politician) (1826–1889), Scottish merchant and political figure in Ontario
 * James Turner (Maryland politician) (1783–1861), U.S. congressman
 * James Turner (North Carolina politician) (1766–1824), U.S. governor and senator
 * James Turner, 1st Baron Netherthorpe (1908–1980), British peer
 * James Harvey Turner (1930–1991), Mississippi state legislator

Sports

 * James Turner (American football), American football placekicker
 * James Turner (footballer) (1898–1973), English footballer
 * James Turner (Nottinghamshire cricketer) (1865–1945), English cricketer
 * James Turner (parathlete) (born 1996), Australian Paralympic athlete
 * James Turner (rugby union) (born 1998), Australian rugby union player
 * James Turner (tennis) (born 1965), British tennis player
 * James Turner (Worcestershire cricketer) (1886–1968), English cricketer
 * Lefty Turner (James Henry Turner, 1912–2000), American Negro leagues baseball player

Other

 * J. C. Turner (1916–1996), American labor union leader
 * James E. Turner (1940–2022), American Africana studies scholar
 * James Gordon Melville Turner (1907–1967), British merchant seaman
 * James Luther Turner (1891–1964), founder of J.L. Turner and Son
 * James M. Turner (physicist), American physicist and retired government official
 * James Smith Turner (1832–1904), Scottish dentist
 * James T. Turner (born 1938), judge of the United States Claims Court
 * James Turner (architect) (died 1899), Architect based in Matlock, Derbyshire
 * James Turner (bishop) (1829–1893), Australian Anglican bishop
 * James Turner (historian) (born 1946), American historian and professor
 * James Turner (silversmith) (1721–1759), American silversmith and engraver
 * James Turner (soldier) (1615 – c. 1686), 17th-century Scottish general

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Robert Keohane

Robert Owen Keohane (born October 3, 1941) is an American academic working within the fields of international relations and international political economy. Following the publication of his influential book After Hegemony (1984), he has become widely associated with the theory of neoliberal institutionalism in international relations, as well as transnational relations and world politics in international relations in the 1970s.

He is Professor Emeritus of International Affairs at the Princeton School of Public and International Affairs, and has also taught at Swarthmore College, Duke University, Harvard University and Stanford University. A 2011 survey of International Relations scholars placed Keohane second in terms of influence and quality of scholarship in the last twenty years. According to the Open Syllabus Project, Keohane is the most frequently cited author on college syllabi for political science courses.

Early life and education
Keohane was born at the University of Chicago Hospitals. His education through the fifth grade was at the University of Chicago Laboratory Schools. When he was 10, the family moved to Mount Carroll, Illinois, where he attended public school and his parents taught at Shimer College. After the 10th grade, Keohane enrolled at Shimer through the school's early entrance program, which since 1950 has allowed selected high school students to enter college before completing high school. When later asked to compare his undergraduate education as an early entrant at Shimer with his graduate work at Harvard, Keohane remarked "it is not clear to me that I have ever been with a brighter set of people than those early entrants." Keohane currently serves on the Board of Trustees of Shimer College.

He earned a BA, with honors, from Shimer College in 1961. He obtained his PhD from Harvard in 1966, one year after he joined the faculty of Swarthmore College. He was the student of Harvard University Professor Stanley Hoffmann. He described Judith Shklar as his strongest intellectual mentor during his graduate studies. He has also described Kenneth Waltz and Karl Polanyi as influences.

Career
Keohane has taught at Swarthmore, Stanford, Brandeis, Harvard, and Duke. At Harvard he was Stanfield Professor of International Peace, and at Duke he was the James B. Duke Professor of Political Science.

He is the author of many works, including After Hegemony: Cooperation and Discord in the World Political Economy (Princeton University Press, 1984), for which he was awarded the second annual University of Louisville Grawemeyer Award in 1989 for "Ideas Improving World Order". Keohane describes the process of forming the theoretical insights of After Hegemony as follows during the late 1970s, "In a world of structural Realism and hegemony, the institutionalized policy coordination that we were increasingly observing in the late 1970s seemed an anomaly. How could it emerge consistent with the theory, or was something missing in the theory itself? Was leadership by a single state, based on dominance or hegemony, essential for cooperation? I did not understand the puzzle clearly, much less have an answer, until I attended a meeting at the University of Minnesota, organized by the economist Anne Krueger and sponsored by the National Science Foundation, at which Charles P. Kindleberger spoke about the implications for international relations of “transactions costs,” risk, and uncertainty. I had not even heard of transaction costs before this time, but when I returned to Stanford I began thinking about these issues, aided by friends and colleagues who knew about “the new economics of organization”... I can still remember the “aha” feeling that I had in December 1979, in my Stanford office, looking over the campus, when I recognized the significance of these theories for the understanding of international cooperation." Keohane has been characterized as a key figure in the development of a discipline of International Political Economy in the United States. Along with Joseph Nye, Keohane coined the concept of complex interdependence to capture the ways in which power had been fragmented and diffused in economic affairs. Robert Keohane coined the term Hegemonic stability theory in a 1980 article for the notion that the international system is more likely to remain stable when a single nation-state is the dominant world power, or hegemon. Keohane's 1984 book After Hegemony used insights from the new institutional economics to argue that the international system could remain stable in the absence of a hegemon, thus rebutting hegemonic stability theory. Keohane showed that international cooperation could be sustained through repeated interactions, transparency, and monitoring.

Keohane played an important role in steering the focus of the journal International Organization from scholarship focused on international organizations to a general IR journal; it is now the leading journal in the field of IR. He joined the journal in 1968. Between 1974 and 1980, he was editor of the journal.

He has been president of the International Studies Association, 1988–1989, and of the American Political Science Association, 1999–2000.

Keohane is a fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, the American Academy of Political and Social Science and has held a Guggenheim Fellowship and fellowships at the Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences and the National Humanities Center. He was awarded the Johan Skytte Prize in Political Science in 2005, and elected to the National Academy of Sciences that same year. In 2007, he was elected to the American Philosophical Society. He was listed as the most influential scholar of international relations in a 2005 Foreign Policy poll.

Political scientists he has taught include Lisa Martin, Andrew Moravcsik, Layna Mosley, Beth Simmons, Ronald Mitchell, and Helen V. Milner. Other students include Fareed Zakaria.

In 2012, Keohane received the Harvard Centennial Medal.

In fall 2013 he is the Allianz Distinguished Visitor at the American Academy in Berlin.

In 2014, he was awarded the James Madison Award of the American Political Science Association.

He was awarded the 2016 Balzan Prize for International Relations: History and Theory.

Personal life
While he was an assistant professor at Swarthmore College, he was an activist against the Vietnam War, and also campaigned for 1968 presidential candidate Eugene McCarthy. Keohane is married to Nannerl O. Keohane, former president of Duke University and Wellesley College and herself a noted political scientist. They have four grown children: Sarah, Stephan, Jonathan, and Nathaniel.

Books

 * Transnational Relations and World Politics, co-authored with Joseph S. Nye, Jr. (Harvard University Press, 1972)
 * Power and Interdependence: World Politics in Transition (Little, Brown, 1977); with Joseph Nye
 * After Hegemony: Cooperation and Discord in the World Political Economy (Princeton University Press, 1984)
 * Neorealism and Its Critics (Columbia University Press, 1986)
 * International Institutions and State Power: Essays in International Relations Theory (Westview, 1989)
 * Designing Social Inquiry: Scientific Inference in Qualitative Research (Princeton, 1994); with Gary King and Sidney Verba
 * Power and Governance in a Partially Globalized World (Routledge, New York, 2002)
 * Humanitarian Intervention: Ethical, Legal, and Political Dilemmas (Cambridge University Press, 2003); with J. L. Holzgrefe
 * The Regime Complex for Climate Change with David G. Victor (2010)

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User talk:Anarkitekt

Welcome to my talk page.

Web 2.0
If you are going to do something as potentially confrontational as posting a peacock on a very active article like Web 2.0, could you at least open a dicussion on your reasoning so that it can be resolved?

For some reason, the whole topic seems to raise emotions on both sides - it seems to be either a holy grail or the anti-christ (depending on the position) - in reality it is neither, it is a term coined to describe a shift in the way many people were thinking about and/or using the technology across the Internet. Sure, it gets hyped up by the evangelists, but there is a generally accepted definition (quoted and cited in the article); this is a term used in the media, industry, and increasingly by the general population.

Could you lay out which aspects you regard as subjective, then there can be an open (and no doubt heated) discussion about it, but hopefully the article that results will be better for it. Thanks. Greyskinnedboy (talk) 02:11, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I've made it easier by opening the discussion there: Does this article promote the subject in a subjective manner?. Greyskinnedboy (talk) 02:36, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

SAF
Hello Axel, quite obviously Swedish Employers Association is a highly relevant article, and it'd be good to have more articles on the Swedish labour market and its history in English. A tip is to add language links to other projects already when you create the article, see Help:Interwiki linking. This could help those unfamiliar with the subject and non-English sources to understand that there is relevance to the project. In the text, they look like this: Svenska Arbetsgivareföreningen. If you add them directly when an article is created, in the first edit, they will also be picked up by a bot, which means that the reverse link (from Swedish to English, in this case) will be created automatically. If you wish, you can also add project tags for WP:SWEDEN on the talk page when you have created a new article related to Sweden. Regards, Tomas e (talk) 13:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Stories of Your Life and Others
Hi, I noticed that you created Stories of Your Life and Others, but listed no sources for the information contained in the article. According to Wikipedia's content policies, all information must be verifiable from reliable sources. Therefore, it's necessary to cite your sources so other editors can check that the information included in the article is correct and matches the sources used. Information not previously published in such sources is prohibited as original research, since other editors can't verify it. Unsourced information may be challenged and removed at any time, and articles that can't be verified are likely to be deleted. Guidance on how to cite your sources is available, and if you need any further help, feel free to leave a message on my talk page.--Unscented (talk) 15:49, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

You should come hang out with us on the internetz!
Hi! I wanted to let you know that we have created an IRC channel for "countering systemic bias one new editor at a time", aka closing the gender gap! Come hang out at #wikimedia-gendergap if that subject interests you. We hope this channel can serve as a safe haven to hang out, talk about Wiki, brainstorming, increasing women's participation in Wikimedia, article alerts and foster friendships. I hope you join us! (And if you need any IRC help, just let me know!) See you there! SarahStierch (talk) 22:21, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

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Talk:Serenity Role Playing Game

Playtester
As one of the playtesters, I have to say that the game looks very impressive, and that a lot of work has gone into making it a great way to capture the feel of both the movie and the tv show. Nearside 01:34, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I was also a playtester, and I completely agree. If you enjoy sci-fi RPGs and/or Firefly, you owe it to yourself to check it out at the very least. Popadopolis 22:51, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Question
Is the game officially out yet or just the prereleases from GenCon? Because I used to work for a RPG game store and related game distributor and we haven't received our copies of the game yet! :( I'm just wondering if it's available everywhere or my distributor is just slow?--Shirley Ku 21:52, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

 * They were on sale at Dragon*Con. And the official website is supposed to be up in the next few days, and they'll be onsale there.  Wynler 22:25:05, 2005-09-10 (UTC)

 * I believe that the official mass release is supposed to be next Monday. Popadopolis 21:36, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

 * That is what my friends told me. They got it in the warehouse Friday and are shipping it out Monday.  I asked my friend to hold me a copy!  --Shirley Ku 05:20, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I got mine by now, so they should be on sale just about everywhere that ordered them. Keep flying! Popadopolis 18:15, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

DM screen year
Jamie Chambers, writer of the Serenity RPG has mentioned on the RPGRadio site that a DM screen and first adventure will be released soon, hopefully before the end of the year.

Which year? --Calair 22:56, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I posted the following to 81.178.240.18, who added the cited paragraph:
 * There are two major problems with this information (other than the use of "rumor", which has since been corrected):
 * The RPGRadio link does not provide the cited information. It is a general website URL to a message board, which only presents the current state. Wikipedia articles need permalinks to cited sources, which this website does make available.
 * The phrase "end of the year" gives no indication of which year. Wiki editors often fail to realize that their text may remain in place for years, so such ambiguous statements must be made precise.
 * I attempted to correct these problems, but I couldn't find the cited interview on the site, and without it, I couldn't confirm what year was meant. Please provide the requested information to avoid the removal of this paragraph as unverifiable. Thank you for your assistance.
 * The year is likely 2005 (given the original edit date), but we need the source to make this claim more than rumor, so I've deferred adding my own speculation until we can get some hard data. ~ Jeffq 02:13, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

GM Screen
The GM Screen has been released. --Wynler | Talk 15:35, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Index
A PDF file containg the index is now available from the Serenity RPG's Bonus Page. Here is a direct link to the file. --Manzabar 04:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Sticking it to Fox
I've heard that the decision not to use material from the TV show was made specicifally to deny Fox royalties as payback for screwing the show. Someone even mentioned that Whedon came up with this idea. Normally, stuff overheard in the gaming store and mentioned in passing on forums isn't put on Wikipedia pages, but I've heard this a couple different times from different people, so I'm wondering if there's anyone here who can either verify or disprove it. Stilgar135 18:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

 * That's highly unlikely - the truth of the matter is that the rights to the Firefly series were tied up by Fox - which is one of the reasons why Eden Studios passed on it (excepting their Spacefarers and Prarie Folk article in Eden Studios Presents). Too many crossover issues.  Not that it stopped MWP from creating "serial numbers filed off" versions of characters from the TV series and inserting them into the Core Rules as 'generic' NPCS.  Nor did it stop them from making use of YoSaffBridge in the supplements, or from having a picture of Vera in the core book.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.30.26.166 (talk) 04:21, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Obsessionality
This is a general editorial comment. In my opinion, this article tells very little about the topic and the nature of the game to a general encyclopedia reader. Instead, it is mostly devoted to obsessional details about point systems and booklets that mean little to the general reader and probably are only going to matter to an extremely specialized audience. It would be helpful to include an introductory paragraph that summarizes what the game looks like and what its goals is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.140.251.18 (talk • contribs) 2006-06-28t16:36:21z

I do agree with this. Role-playing is more about feeling the background and contributing to it than just rolling dies and playing statistics with them.

Edits
I've restructured the page so its a little more in line with wiki guidelines and breaks down into more destinct catagories. Also did some rewrites to have a more neutral POV and be more explanatory.209.159.98.1 15:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I saw the cleanups you did Cyberia and appreciate them, I missed a few things with my huge edit, I know. As far as The Cortex System and Criticisms, I had those as sub-headings of Contents because they were directly related. I'll let you decide whether to change them back, but that's up to you. MrCrim 20:51, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

 * You're refering to edits made by somebody else Crim. I'm not "209.159.98.1" All I did was delete the HTML tag for an image that was already deleted. Cyberia23 03:58, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Quality
I've re-read the Serenity RPG rulebook recently, and noticed a great many mistakes in spelling, formatting and grammar. Not being a Wikipedia contributor, I don't know if this is worthy of being included in the article. I'll go back through my bookmarks to see if I can find the criticism of the poor quality editing on a number of RPG websites. 124.184.179.247 (talk) 05:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Main Site
The main site link to www.serenityrpg.com no longer leads to a webpage. Whether the site was deleted or simply moved, I do not know. I did find the appropriate page in the Wayback Machine. Juranas (talk) 18:23, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Cortex and Cortex+ page?
Since this page goes into every use of the system in every other product and the Serenity Roleplaying Game is one of their retired supplments, perhaps this page should be changed into a generic page for the Cortex and Cortex+ game and instead turn Serenity into a section. Broad page into more specific categories; not a specific page into broader categories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.88.248.59 (talk) 17:51, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * That makes sense to me, and there should also be new sections covering the other Cortex/Cortex+ games. (I would probably leave Marvel Heroic Roleplaying as an article of its own, however, due to its specialized rules and its greater notability as a standalone product.) JEB215 (talk) 05:32, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Cortex and Cortex+ are actually fairly different systems and should be kept separate. On the other hand all the Classic Cortex games could possibly be merged. Neonchameleon (talk) 12:11, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Firefly RPG and Serenity RPG
As MWP are producing a Firefly RPG under Cortex+ Rules do we want that on this page or on its own page? Neonchameleon (talk) 12:25, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

87.114.48.252 (talk) 07:11, 7 May 2014 (UTC) Given the reality of the Firefly RPG, the different licences and the very different play styles of the two games. I suggest we split this entry into two, and give Firefly it's own entry

Wrong title
User Neonchameleon was wrong to move Serenity (role-playing game) to Serenity Role Playing Game. The title of the game is Serenity... just and simply. I don't own the book but very likely, in the cover, the term Role Playing Game is not a part of the title, it only specifies what kind of document is: a role-playing game... thus, I think that we should send the article back to its former title, seriously. Kintaro (talk) 06:58, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The Amazon listing displays the cover and the name of the book is certainly Serenity Role Playing Game. I would also provide a link to an archive of the Margaret Weis website but I'm mobile and cannot provide it at this time. However, there is a good point to be had in this: the Serenity Role Playing Game and the current Firefly RPG are under different licenses granted to Margarest Weis and are considered by the company as separate lines, if I recall correctly? So, is there a better way to name the article so it better addresses both lines? ~Cheers, Ten  Ton  Parasol  10:41, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Respectfully, Parasol, but Amazon is not an official source, just a commerce website, and I guess that the full title "Serenity Role Playing Game" is simply used to distinguish the product from other types of product. Anyway, if you prefer the article's current title I will cede to your preferences... no problem. Cheers! Kintaro (talk) 00:58, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I linked to Amazon to refer to the image it provides of the cover, not to refer to the title of the listing. I wouldn't want this to be based on my preferences, because that's really not what it's about. But Margaret Weis referred to it in a news posting on their website as Serenity Role Playing Game and it was listed that way on their close partner retailer DriveThruRPG, which I expect it to get right out of all retailers. The official website Margaret Weis also maintained for the game also listed it as Serenity Role Playing Game. Regardless, my last point still stands: if the article, which is really outdated, remains as is, tying in the new and old lines, should the article be renamed to reflect both Serenity Role Playing Game and Firefly Role-Playing Game? ~Cheers, Ten  Ton  Parasol  03:35, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

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