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Huo Chengjun

Huo Chengjun (died 54 BC) was an empress of the Chinese Western Han dynasty. She was the second wife of Emperor Xuan. Her father was the statesman Huo Guang, who served as regent for Emperor Zhao and who remained exceedingly powerful during Emperor Xuan's reign until his death in April 68 BC. Her mother's name was Xian.

Family background
It is not known when Chengjun was born to Huo Guang and Lady Xian. What is known is that she grew up in a household with such great power that in many ways, it regarded itself and was regarded as the real imperial household. She became accustomed to luxury living when she was young, and part of that was manifested in her customs of rewarding her servants with great wealth. She had an older sister who married Shangguan An, a son of Shangguan Jie; their daughter became Emperor Zhao's wife.

Marriage
In 74 BC, Emperor Zhao died at age 20. Huo initially selected his nephew, Prince He of Changyi as the new emperor. However, after Prince He quickly showed his unsuitability to be an emperor, Huo removed him from the throne and selected a commoner, the great-grandson of Emperor Wu and grandnephew of Emperor Zhao, Liu Bingyi, to be emperor, and he accepted the throne as Emperor Xuan.

Emperor Xuan was already married to Xu Pingjun when he accepted the throne, and he created Xu an imperial consort. When it came time to create an empress, the officials, knowing that it was Lady Xian's wishes, largely wanted Emperor Xuan to marry Huo Chengjun and create her empress. Emperor Xuan did not explicitly reject this proposal, but issued an order to seek out the sword that he owned as a commoner. Getting the hint, the officials recommended Consort Xu as empress, and she was created as such late in 74 BC.

Lady Xian would not be denied what she wanted—having her daughter as an empress. In 71 BC, Empress Xu was pregnant when Lady Xian came up with a plot. She bribed Empress Xu's female physician Yu Yuyan, under guise of giving Empress Xu medicine after she gave birth, to poison her. Chunyu did so, and Empress Xu died shortly after she gave birth. Her doctors were initially arrested to investigate whether they cared for the empress properly. Lady Xian, alarmed, informed Huo Guang what had actually happened, and Huo, not having the heart to turn in his wife, instead signed Chunyu's release.

On 17 April 70 BC, Emperor Xuan created Huo Chengjun empress. Accustomed to luxury living, her palace expenditures far exceeded the late Empress Xu. She tried to maintain a good relationship with her niece, Grand Empress Dowager Shangguan, but their relationship appeared to be not as cordial as Grand Empress Dowager Shangguan's relationship with the late Empress Xu, because Grand Empress Dowager Shangguan was intimidated by Empress Huo's status as her aunt.

Removal and death
In April 68 BC, Huo Guang died. Emperor Xuan and Grand Empress Dowager Shangguan made the nearly-unprecedented act of personally attending Huo's wake and built an impressive mausoleum for Huo. After Huo's death, Emperor Xuan assumed far more personal powers than he had during Huo's lifetime. Empress Huo's brother Huo Yu, nephews Huo Yun and Huo Shan , and brothers-in-law Fan Mingyou  and Deng Guanghan  remained in key posts, however.

In May 67 BC, Emperor Xuan created Prince Shi—the late Empress Xu's son—crown prince, and created Empress Xu's father Xu Guanghan the Marquess of Ping'en—an action that Huo Guang had opposed. Lady Xian was shocked and displeased, because if her daughter were to have a son later, that son could only be a prince and not the future emperor. She instructed Empress Huo to murder the crown prince. Allegedly, Empress Huo did make multiple attempts to do so, but failed each time. Around this time, the emperor also heard rumors that the Huos had murdered Empress Xu, which led him to begin stripping the Huos of actual power, while giving them impressive titles.

In 66 BC, after there had been increasing public rumors that the Huos had murdered Empress Xu, Lady Xian finally revealed to her son and grandnephews that she had, indeed, murdered Empress Xu. In fear of what the emperor might do if he had actual proof, Lady Xian, her son, her grandnephews, and her sons-in-law formed a conspiracy to depose the emperor. The conspiracy was discovered, and the entire Huo clan was executed by Emperor Xuan.

Emperor Xuan then issued an edict deposing Empress Huo on 17 September, in which he made no reference to what her family allegedly did but accused her of trying to poison Crown Prince Shi. She was kept in an unused palace. In 54 BC, he was set to exile her to another even more distant palace, and she committed suicide.

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Six Chix

Six Chix is a collaborative comic strip distributed by King Features Syndicate which debuted in January 2000.

The series is drawn by six female cartoonists who rotate the drawing duties through the week based on a fixed schedule:
 * Monday – Isabella Bannerman
 * Tuesday – Bianca Xunise; Martha Gradisher (through January 2020); Margaret Shulock (through March 2017)
 * Wednesday – Susan Camilleri Konar; Rina Piccolo (through October 2016)
 * Thursday – Mary Lawton; Anne Gibbons (through August 2017); Carla Ventresca (October 2005 through July 2007); Ann Telnaes (through September 2005)
 * Friday – Maritsa Patrinos; Benita Epstein (through March 2019); Kathryn LeMieux (through April 2009)
 * Saturday – Stephanie Piro
 * Sunday – Rotates

The Sunday comic is drawn by the team members on a rotating basis. The look and feel of the strip varies greatly among the six artists with no particular attempt made to introduce any sort of thematic cohesiveness.

Six Chix has been syndicated to more than 120 newspapers, including the Arizona Republic, Detroit News, San Diego Union-Tribune, San Francisco Chronicle, and Seattle Post-Intelligencer.

Five months after the strip was launched, the original six women met each other for the first time on May 27, 2000. The occasion was a National Cartoonists Society Reubens Dinner in New York. On June 2, 2000, they appeared together on the Lifetime for Women Television Network. The original team lasted for about five and a half years, through September 2005; since then, there has been additional turnover, though original members Isabella Bannerman (Mondays) and Stephanie Piro (Saturdays) remain.

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John Melvin (naval officer)

Lieutenant (junior grade) John T. Melvin (16 October 1887 – 5 November 1917) was an officer in the United States Navy.

Born at Selma, Alabama, Melvin was appointed midshipman 6 July 1907 and commissioned ensign 7 July 1911. Resigning his commission 20 August 1915, he was appointed lieutenant (jg.), 9 February 1917, upon his joining the Naval Reserve.

Attached to the patrol boat Alcedo, Lieutenant (jg.) Melvin lost his life 5 November 1917 when that vessel was sunk by a German submarine in the war zone. Alcedo was the first American war vessel to go down in World War I, and Lieutenant Melvin is officially recognized as the first American naval officer to die in the war.

Two destroyers have been named USS Melvin for him.

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Villains of Jasoosi Dunya

A number of villains appear in Ibn-e-Safi's Jasoosi Dunya series.

Leonard
Refer to "Faridi aur Leonard" and "Leonard ki Waapsi".

Jabar
Jabar first appears in Khatarnaak Boodha (Urdu: خطرناک بوڑھا) and Masnoo-ee Naak (Urdu: مصنوعی ناک). Jabar has an Indo-Germanic background and becomes a criminal to take revenge from the society. He used to be made fun of when he was a kid. While he is growing up, his anger makes him attracted towards the philosophy of Nazism. Jabar, then, decides to take revenge upon all those who inflicted pain in his life. He comes back to India to take care of several issues. Blackmail, imposture, murders, robberies, gold making, and a secret to live for hundreds of years are some of those interests.

He is also a chemist and a good scientist. During one of his experiments, steam from some chemical solution evaporated his nose. He uses an artificial nose to cover that small cave on his face. After Faridi caught him, Jabar killed himself in the courtroom using one of his own deadly poisons.

Gerald Shastri
Although a foreigner, Gerald Shashtri is a scholar of Sanskrit and an expert in Astrology and Hindu Philosophy. Apart from these apparent qualities, he is a great scientist who invents a process to transform men into huge gorillas in Jungle Ki Aag (جنگل کی آگ). He plans to rule the world with the help of his scientific achievements. Although Faridi manages to break his mob, he escapes and returns in Maut Ki Chataan (موت کی چٹان). His main captivating aspect is in his eyes. His eyes seem to be free from emotions and separated from face. His emotions are not expressed through his eyes; Hameed is scared of him on first seeing his eyes. His eyes are called as veeraan (ویران) by Ibne Safi, it seems you can see through them.

Theresia (T3B)
Theresia BumbleBee of Bohemia, first initiative her name used in famous Sholay Series (Flame Series) Jasoosi Dunya 56 to 59 Sholay Series.

Sung Hee
One of the most persistent, clever, daring, and disgusting villains created by Ibn-e-Safi, Sung Hee is one of the only two villains who has the honour of appearing and dueling with the heroes of both Jasoosi Dunya and Imran Series (the other being Theresa).

Sung Hee is an expelled Chinese felon who was forced to leave his country after a failed Coup d'état. Since then he moved from country to country and tried to avail any opportunity to display his criminal, lustful, and avaricious nature. Born to a Chinese father and Mongolian mother, he is very thin in appearance with a visibly weak physique, but in reality is extremely strong and tough. He is famous, among those who know him somewhat, as "Jonk" (leech) for his ability to clench his enemy to suffocation and unconsciousness.

Highly unreliable and erratic, Sung is one of those revolting individuals who commit crimes for the sake of entertainment. Assaulting innocent human beings is what he does when he gets bored though he never kills without reason. Not only that he enjoys breaking the law but he challenges the law enforcement while perpetrating crimes.

Although Imran, during his academic phase of life, was first to meet him, Sung's first documented encounter was with Faridi in Neeli Lakeer (The Blue Streak – #42). He mocks Faridi and gets slapped by Faridi so hard that he stumbles several steps across the room. Instead of displaying rage, he shrugs it off by saying that many bums have slapped him but it was an honour to have been smacked by such a reputable celebrity as Faridi. It is quite obvious that he kept his anger confined to fuel the hatred and vengeance for a more suitable event. Such was his control over his emotions that makes him even more dangerous.

Perhaps Sung Hee's most noticeable skill is his "Sung Art" of dodging bullets. Due to his very flexible and stretchable body, Sung Hee can easily dodge bullets fired at him from any reasonable distance. He observes the hand movement and direction of the firearm targeting him and escapes any injuries by performing prompt acrobatic movements.

Another reason of his staying alive is that he also possesses a very awake, alert, and active mind. He changes strategies while executing one. He comes up with tricks and ideas that are hard to beat. Part of the reason that he could not be kept imprisoned for long is his quick backup schemes and arrangements.

Women are his only weakness to the extent that he cannot live without sex. Wherever he goes, he finds a companion for his solitude. Often he tried to run away from the scene as soon as a former 'acquaintance' shows up suddenly. He is also an "equal-opportunity" lover and, except for gender, does not discriminate because of religion, caste, nationality, age, and appearance. That is also the reason he is the "most wanted" person for a good spanking anytime anywhere.

Fans of the series love the interesting narrative between Sung Hi and Faridi or Imran. His relationship with Faridi is always that of a competitor. With Imran, however, his relationship has been known to change from friendly to friendly competitive to seriously competitive or notorious and unforgiving. Despite the fact that both characters are bloodthirsty for each other, the evil con man declares Imran to be his rightful nephew.

Sung Hee holds a deep respect for both Faridi and Imran and prefers to trap and use them rather than kill them. In "Khooni Bagolay" (The Bloody Whirlwinds – #45) Sing praises Faridi to his partner. Sung's feelings and respect for Imran are expressed very clearly when, despite a great risk to Sung's own life, he kills the supposed murderer of Imran in "Laraztee Lakeerein" (The Shivering Lines – #111).

He is accustomed to having multiple noteworthy opponents at a time. For example, in Jasoosi Duniya he had to contend with the brilliance of Faridi, the workings of Hameed and the betrayal of Finch. Fans believe that although Sung was defeated it was not without a valiant effort against three of the greatest heroes of Jasoosi Dunya. Similarly, he has had to deal with both Imran and Theresa at a time and has managed at times to come out on top. Remarkably, all this is done without the backing of any government or secret organisation, even though when he has joined hand with "Zeroland" and acted on its behalf for some span of time.

Dr. Salman
Dr. Salman is a psychologist by profession, and head of "Public Relations Bureau," an organisation that claims to help people combat their enemies by using psychological techniques. In reality though, he is the head of the most powerful mob "Taaqat" (Force), a group that is trying to bring revolution in the country. He is the villain of Ibne Safi's best Shoalaa stories: Pehla Shoalaa, Doosra Shoalaa, Teesra Shoalaa, and Jahannam Ka Shoalaa. With the help of his psychological techniques and strange inventions, he has created a new world underneath the earth. Breaking up Dr. Salman's mob is perhaps the most difficult task that Faridi faces in Jasoosi Duniya.

Finch
Refer to "Zahreele Teer", "Paani Ka Dhuan", "Laash Ka Qahqaha", and "Dr. Dred". Finch is criminal character but is not criminal by nature. Dr. dread, a criminal character of ibn e safi, has forced him. Finch is another villain of the Dr. Dread series. Finch was initially a circus man, a midget at only four and half feet. Still, he manages to extend his height to normal by using bamboos. He used to raise an orphan girl, but one night Dr. Dread's mob kidnaps her. The next day her dead body is found on the streets. From that day on, Finch becomes a criminal, creating his own gang to take revenge on Dr. Dread. Readers usually sympathise with Finch in his fight against Dr. Dread. While Faridi manages to break Dr. Dread's mob, Finch escapes. He later reappears in Chamkeela Ghubaar and Zehreela Sayaarah.

Toyoda
Refer to "Japan ka Fitna" and "Dushmano ka Shaihar".and "Lash ka bulawa".

Nanota
She is also known as Doosri Nagin. Refer to "Tabahi ka Khawab" and "Mohlik Shanasaee". Nanota is an agent of Zeroland. In "Chandnee Ka Dhua'n", she is in charge of a mission that is exploring a rare fuel, with plans of stealing it from the earth. This substance is thousand times lighter than normal gasoline, and can be used for space travel. Her beauty is so exquisite that Artist Jeelani's painting of her face wins the first award at "International Art Exhibition". Ibne Safi has developed Nanota's character in such a magical way that readers are puzzled, initially believing her to be some sort of spirit or otherworldly being. However, in the end she emerges as a human being, narrowly escaping Faridi's grip. She appears again after many years in Tabaahee Ka Khwaab and Muhlik Shanaasa'ee.

Qalandar Bayabani
Qalandar Bayabani is ironically a spy storywriter. He dictates novels to his secretary on a microphone from his closed office. This façade of his is initially developed in Saatwaan Jazeerah. However, it is revealed in Shaitaanee Jheel that he is actually a smuggler whose gang steals five tons of gold. When naval police try chasing them down, he hides the gold in a lake; then starts scheming to get it back. In the end, he manages to dodge Faridi. He reappears in Sehmee Hu'ee Larkee and Qatil Ka Haath. This time, however, he is unable to escape Faridi's grip.

Reema
She is also known as Teesri Nagin. Refer to "Khooni Raishay", "Teesri Nagan" and "Raigum Bala".

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Mount Juktas

A mountain in north-central Crete, Mount Juktas (Γιούχτας - Giouchtas), also spelled Iuktas, Iouktas, or Ioukhtas, was an important religious site for the Minoan civilization. Located a few kilometers from the palaces of Knossos and Fourni and the megaron at Vathypetro, Mount Juktas was the site of an important peak sanctuary in the Minoan world. At the base of Juktas, at Anemospilia, is a site that has suggested to some that the Minoans practiced human sacrifice, but the evidence is currently somewhat in question.

Peak Sanctuary
Mount Juktas is the site of one of the most important peak sanctuaries in the Minoan world, and probably the first of them.

Archaeologial importance
Archaeologists have studied the site over an extensive period, examining fragments of pottery, remains of walls, and some unique kinds of stone that must have been hauled up the mountain because they do not otherwise occur there.

Religious importance
The mountain remains important in the religious life of the people of the area to this day – a Greek Orthodox chapel is located about a kilometer south of the sanctuary along the ridge of the mountain. Every year, people from towns down in the plains below Mount Juktas bring flowers in procession to the chapel.

Archaeology
Juktas was first excavated in 1909 by Sir Arthur Evans. It can be regarded as an adjunct archaeological site to the important Knossos site a few kilometres away. Among the finds at the Juktas Minoan peak sanctuary were clay human and animal figurines, stone horns, stone altars, bronze double axes, and both bowls and tables with Linear A inscriptions. See references for a more comprehensive inventory. Pottery sherds from the site date back as far as Middle Minoan IA.

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Talk:Gary Brecher

Is Chuck Mertz's 30-odd-minute interview last Saturday really the only time anybody's talked to this guy? Anyway, the interview is at http://server.wnur.org/thisishell/archive/pods/20080405.mp3 -- it's the second interview in the show. Fang2415 (talk) 22:58, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

The eXile newspaper staff who have an obviously biased POV interest in not having their pranks exposed keep blanking any description of the controversy about Brecher's identity being a pseudonym or a character. There's speculation about who Brecher really is all over the web, just Google him, so it's a legitimate subject for a Wikipedia article (an article which was started initially by the eXile itself). Just because they wrote the initial War Nerd article means they're the only ones who get to say anything? Not fair!

For the record: the above has several inaccuracies. The Brecher article was not started by the eXile, but by Nat Krause. Moreover, I looked on the web as suggested, and found only one or two speculations, among literally hundreds of articles, so his assertion that this speculation is "all over the web" is also false. Indeed if you look at user 199.107.55.222's other entries they all appear to be focused on a vendetta against The eXile and its writers, including his attempt to get The eXile entry deleted, an attempt which was unaninously overruled and which led some wiki editors to ask if there was a way to "punish" user 199.107.55.222.

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Look I've read the War Nerd and everyone else on the Exile very extensively and have no contact whatsoever with them as individuals. Brecher's denied being a character. A couple bloggers said "It's a character!" but they have no idea. Stylistically, there are definite differences between the major writers and there's no mistaking Brecher for Ames or Dolan. While Ames and Dolan are both clever they've also both been independently writing books and articles. In my mind there's no "controversy," and why does this need to be a "character"? Brecher's a former far-right, bored American who in his tedium has nourished hate and frustration for years, while studying war part-time, who never thought to write anything before. The whole "controversy" seems to be people who just sort of can't work it out, how you could set about writing something without respecting the judicious moral underpinnings everyone just kind of culturally takes for granted, underpinnings wrent most obviously asunder during wartimes.

"Q. Who are you? Are you really a fat guy in Fresno who works in data entry and lives in a duplex and can't stand the heat, or is that a literary character you made up?

A. I'm the normal one here. I'm a typical American and you won't see it. Here, do this, get a list of all the men in your company who don't get to go to cool places and write stories and pick 10 or so of them just at random and you will see they're all like me, exactly like me.

The only difference is I met this Mark Ames guy (the editor of The exile) and he thought it would be a funny idea to give me this column. So I can talk and people read it, but there are maybe 50 million guys like me out there, just like me, and you won't see it.

All of us are fat, everybody who isn't "a somebody" in America is fat, but you never let any of them on TV or The New York Times so it's like we don't exist.

This is the dumbest question because it's just like that stupid Kristof quote, it just PROVES YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE WHAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, which is millions of guys like me waiting for the heart attack."

 * Stylistically, there are definite differences between the major writers and there's no mistaking Brecher for Ames or Dolan.

I disagree. Strongly. This is really a no-brainer, it was Ames that channelled the War Nerd, and no mistake. Ames' signature is all over the War Nerd. Not only did His Nerdness exhibit the unique Amish touch on the keyboard, but his range of expertise was the same, several observations about I/P and security politics are replicated in both authors' articles. I suspect Ames used Gary Brecher at a time when he didn't want his left wing cred tainted by his fascination for armed conflicts. This is useless in a Wiki, I know, and sorry for using this page to bicker. But OT, why does this page look so weird? Normally, there's an edit-button atop each section of the on the talk page. //roger.duprat.copenhagen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.212.11.150 (talk) 02:50, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Where is it written that reasonable "speculation" is forbidden on Wikipedia, especially in widespread cases of skepticism like the issue of Brecher's identity? According to the NPOV rule, so long as the debate is described as a debate without arguing one side or the other, it's acceptable. If only things as provably true as 2 + 2 = 4 are appropriate for Wikipedia then this encyclopedia would be a lot shorter and less interesting than it is. Besides, the case for Brecher being a character is quite a bit better than idle speculation. One, the eXile has a confessed history of inventing characters - Matt Taibbi has admitted as much, at least concerning Dan Higgins. Two, the picture the eXile claims is Brecher turned out to be some stock nerd photo from a Scandinavian music site. Three, there is no Brecher listed in Fresno. Four, where has this guy been until his late 30's? All of a sudden he becomes a brilliant columnist at 37 but he never wrote one word before that? Five, how is it exactly that this nobody in Fresno pitched a column to the eXile, an alternative weekly in Moscow? Can anyone imagine Ames accepting a query from a never published data entry specialist from Fresno? No way. Ames and his buddies wouldn't have even read his emails. I'm not saying I'm sure Brecher's fake, but I am sure there's a lot of uncertainty and unanswered questions about this. It's legitimate. So stop censoring it.

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I wrote the last objection. I haven't heard this thing about the stock photo? Evidence? I'm not saying it's fake I'm just curious. I got the impression Ames may have met him doing research for his book about American office slaves (which also suggests a genesis for a stock character, of course)...talking to this "War Nerd" in an office setting, as Brecher says, "Ames thought it would be funny to give me a column."

Anyway, I don't think it's strange at all someone with a certain kind of talent might be discovered in his late thirties... A huge number of people have literary talents they either don't use at all or never explored. Looking at Brecher's particular insight, no one generally would give him any kind of space. Which is why I was saying the need for a "fake" character is kind of disturbing in itself, since this generally intelligent, cynical person is fairly common, and unrepresented, in my experience.

The "stock" photo detail is pretty suspicious. But I read Dolan's entire book, and he talks of being a "War Nerd," but frankly there's no trace of Brecher in his narrative.

That paper by Dolan proves nothing about Brecher's identity, but I put it at the bottom since it's so interesting independentently. Dolan does not claim to be Brecher, and speaks of Brecher as a separate, "brilliant" person, who is primarily responsible for the Exile's swelling in monthly hits and worth speaking about.

Anyway, where's this Swedish photo?

Knowing about "tenure" by the way doesn't make you an expert on academia. It makes you a person who has had some thoughts. Brecher is not necessarily a "brilliant intellectual," he is a bored person who has read books and net news and thought about things, an option available to everyone, even people who did not finish college. If anything, Dolan's articles constantly betray his academic heritage, whereas Brecher always comes off as not quite polished in this way, not even accidently. Again after reading Dolan's entire book it seems highly unlikely that he is the War Nerd, he has an absolutely different style.

Here's the photo the eXile is using for Brecher: http://www.ehem.no/bilder/nerd.jpg. . . OK, I agree the case for Dolan isn't that great, but not exactly on the grounds you cite. The styles are totally different, I agree. The difference is talent. Dolan is a vengeful literatary specialist who is trying to become like some kind of savage critical personality. Obviously he never bought into the academic system, but that doesn't make him a great writer. He's OK. I read the version of Pleasant Hell that was posted on the eXile's site before he (I guess?) got a book contract for it. I mean, an autobiography of a self-loathing lit nerd who couldn't hack California.... C'mon! Who even cares? Revenge of the Nerds by the Nerd who never even got revenge. Boring!

But Brecher. He's not brilliant? Are you kidding me? Every word is pure genius. Whoever is writing that column has more talent for writing in his pinky than Dolan's got in his whole family. He's better than Taibbi. Why do you think this is so controversial? Everybody is reading him. It's like the siblings in Ender's Game who take over the world with phony online Federalist Paper style debates.

We should all be aware of what we're dealing with when we're talking about anything relating to the eXile. Ames & Taibbi are classic cases of Antisocial Personality Disorder--301.7

"There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others since age 15 years as indicated by at least three of the following: 1) failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest; 2) deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure; 5) reckless disregard for safety of self or others; 7) lack of remorse by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated or stolen from others."

Ames in particular is convinced he is a genius and he's a good enough writer to almost back it up, but you have to wonder whether a writer who hasn't published a book by age 40 can be considered a genius. Since according to Ames all the consensus rules and supposed ethical standards regulating mainstream journalism are really just weapons wielded by the establishment in defense of the status quo, not only does the eXile not conform to journalistic ethics, but Ames feels duty bound to defy all the rules. Fake characters, slander, lies - pretty much anything goes in his paper. Tricking the mainstream press, as the eXile did when the Sunday Times quoted Salnikov as though he is a real person, is not a scandal but a victory.

My point is, when we're talking about Brecher or any other eXile columnist, we should assume a prank until proven otherwise. From now on the burden is on them to prove their characters are real, not the reverse. I'll be watching! -

Well that's "Brecher" all right. But it's very possible both the name and picture are fakes used, well, because "Brecher" wouldn't want his name or picture on the web. And if it's not Dolan or Ames, and I think intuitively (for people who've read all this stuff) these two options are almost impossible, it's a pretty considerable question who exactly is the War Nerd, and why the persona would even be created. It's a strong possibility, of course, but what the hell is it hiding?

Like Barbara Ehrenreich in "Nickel and Dimed," why couldn't a waitress could write a decent account of her own crippling desperation, and why must some special "New Yorker" writer status be required to compose decidedly not-supernatural insights into a pretty intuitively comprehensible real life (why the War Nerd is great)? Brecher doesn't show any special writerly status, and you can see his early columns, while fully engaging, exhaust a certain pent up energy--that's refined later into his maturish style, but are initially rather blunt and unpolished (like the article on the Columbians), which doesn't fit the idea of some previously known writer.

For instance, look at this paragraph from the War Nerd's first column: The best war is when you can hate both sides, and that's how it was with the WTC. I cheered those jets. I work in like a ten-story version of those towers, and I know for a fact that I'm not the only one who perks up every time a plane gets close to the building. Everybody cheers the planes now...

The "Everyone cheers the planes now" line is bad, awkward, and unclear, as is "Bring Martin Sheen over, like from the West Wing, and let him do it, he'd have the Afghans converting to Presbyterianism in a couple of days," which reveals a kind of a dynamic of a bad joke the War Nerd never indulges later.

"Somebody in the Pentagon (hey, can they call it a pentagon now when it's only got four sides? Don't they have to find a new high school geometry name for that?)"

This line, since this joke was spent on September 11, 2001, reveals someone in a context totally unaware that normal people all used this joke up the day of. Maybe this is some really sophisticated deception, but it's delivered with a certain delight of shattering taboos unaware of the "liberal" commonality of the jibe. "(sorry, the Quadragon!)"

Anyway, evaluate the early columns...nothing's for sure, but the evidence of the content strongly suggests a writer cutting his teeth, and doing damned well and happy to know the publication he's writing for to some extent shares his sensibilities.

Only Dolan is knowledgeable enough to be the War Nerd...and I think he's smart enough, and talented enough, but I don't think he is. So who is it? Someone who was probably prepared to be paid poorly, old enough to know a helluva lot about war and to have gone through a long stretch of being a hardliner conservative in the Soviet era, lonely and bored and excited enough to purchase new books from Amazon and read them just to do some piddling column in the Exile that probably was going to get canned within a few issues. Certainly no fellow writer...so who? Some guy exchanging funny-assed Emails with Ames or Dolan at some point...maybe a data-entry technician in Fresno, California?

I rewrote the page
First of all, to the posters above, I think it would aid the discussion if you were to please sign your posts and, if possible, register. We should get all opinions but it's just hard to read as it is. So: Dsol 21:26, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I rewrote the page. I think quality and "encyclopedicness" is much better now, though I'm open to other opinions.  I tried to reuse old text and ideas wherever possible.
 * I took a lot of onsourced claims
 * I tried to keep the POV at a minumum, both in my new material and by making changes. Let me know if I could have done better anywhere.
 * I took out the very long quote from one of the African wars articles. I don't think it's particularly essential, and it seems silly to focus so much on this one aspect of his writing.  If someone thinks it must go in, I suggest putting it on wikiqoute and linking it from here, and maybe leaving a shorter version on the article page.
 * can we source the rumour of his book? If not let's take it out
 * Who has said the pic is a fake? what reasons have they given?
 * I think it's important to caption the picture, noting that it came from [[the eXile]'s website if people say it's a fake. I have it set to 65 pixels wide so it won't blur

 * Thanks for your rewrite, Dsol. I'm glad to see this page has calmed down a little. I wrote the original version of this article, by the way—and, for the record, I would like to state that I am neither an agent or promoter of the the eXile (in fact, I never read anything from them other than War Nerd), nor am I out to defame Gary Brecher (in fact, I think he's a genius and probably basically a good person). Anyway, I do think the article should cover the question of Gary Brecher's identity, but we shouldn't overdo it; there has to be a balance (personally, I think the evidence is quite strong that there is no "Gary Brecher" per se; the real question, probably unanswerable, is whether Gary Brecher is the pen-name of some other author, or of some unknown anonymous newcomer). I think the current discussion of the identity is pretty good, although I might tweak it some later. I agree with you on removing the African wars quote; it was not necessary. The book rumour should probably be taken out for the time being, because I don't think it has a source outside of Wikipedia (although, considering the editor who added it to Wikipedia, I suppose there's an off-chance it might have been added by the same person who writes Brecher's columns!) As for the picture, I originally learned about it from Steve Sailer (basically America's #1 source for Gary Brecher coverage); it comes from http://www.ehem.no/bilder/nerd.jpg ，a Swedish site which apparently hasn't been updated for years. It supposdely was once one of the first things that came up when you did an image search for "nerd". This info used to be in the article, but it was edited out during one of the rounds of major revisions a while back.
 * As an aside, I sometimes wonder why no one suggests that Matt Taibbi might be the War Nerd? He's a better writer than the rest of those eXile people. Maybe it's a collaboration between him and Dolan. Or him and Ames. Or all three. I guess maybe that's a little far-fetched (hmmm, maybe those three plus Steve Sailer and La Griffe du Lion ...)? - Nat Krause 06:10, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Interesting, I didn't know a lot of that. I found some SIC columns from the eXile that indicate the book rumour is real (i.e. a real rumour, though not necessarily true).  If you have an email or something from Sailer, could you host it somewhere or upload part of it to wikiquote, so we can cite it in the article?
 * BTW New EXILE ISSUE is up! Dsol 08:38, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Look what I found!
a larger, more zoomed out version of the eXile site's picture appears, as pointed out by Nat Krause, at http://www.ehem.no/bilder/nerd.jpg. But GIS also turns up the picture in another context: this dutch forum post. translation anyone? Note that the war nerd's first column, dated 21 Apr 02, predates the forum post by almost a year. The post seems consistent with the idea of the photo being a stock nerd shot Dsol 09:00, 6 September 2005 (UTC) Update: this bio on the norwegian site hosting the picture shows a face matching the Brecher picture. it's Roger Edvardsen, manager of the Norwegian band "Ehem."Dsol 09:27, 6 September 2005 (UTC) Update 2: Roger Edvardsen: Supervisor. Selsbanesgt 13, 8514 Narvik. Tlf. 769 42535, Jobb 769/12276, 769/12272, 769/12273 eller 769/12270, Fax: 769/12271, Mobil: 907/67203 E-mail: Roger.Edvardsen@narvik.kommune.no Dsol 09:46, 6 September 2005 (UTC) The plot thickens.... Update 3 From: Anders Øgsnes 	Mailed-By: funn.no To: REDACTED  Cc: REDACTED@ehem.no Date: Sep 6, 2005 1:08 PM  Subject: RE: /bilder/nerd.jpg ??? Hahaha!! Roger is also reading REDACTED@ehem.no, and have probably read yor mail. I can imagine the authjor of this column was in need of a "nerd-like" photo, and googled "nerd" and photo. Rogers funny face gazing at you through a pair of glasses we found, was an easy victim here... Can we claim them for a billion, do you think? Anders Ehem Ok, so the picture is a now confirmed fake. I'm taking it down from the top of the article, explaining that it's a fake in more detail, discussing different versions of the picture, and who ehem are. I ented to quote the email I got from Anders. Not quite sure how best to host/cite the email, though. Dsol 15:20, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Update 4 Leaving the picture in till I can figure out how to make a table of the different versions. Leaving the email I got out until I can find a way to host/cite it external to wikipedia. Citing it now would be a violation of no original research. The other stuff I put in, however, is just a bunch of references and does not constitute research. More soon... Dsol 15:40, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

--[The nerd is also the FARK Sharp Knees Studman69 guy. http://img109.exs.cx/img109/398/standards4wn.jpg]

More Edits
I did a little pruning of wordiness and I might do a bit more. I tend to laziness in the way of sources, but I'll try. I didn't put it in, but the SIC! section of the Exile has said 3 or 4 times that the War Nerd is working on a book.

I've read the Exile comprehensively. Taibbi is not the war nerd...he doesn't know enough about war. I mean, this ain't proven, but I'm fairly sure. Ames has been writing a book and speeded out for the last couple years, which has shown in mediocre articles. Dolan has been writing a book too. However I'm prepared to say with almost total certainty, that neither Ames nor Taibbi are the War Nerd.

However Dolan, in his book I read, mentions studying war material while in school in the mid-seventies at UC Berkeley. Considering the incongruity of a 12 year old studying Jane's manuals in 1979 (not impossible) this seems to be the strongest indication that John Dolan is the war nerd. In conjunction with the fake photo, Dolan's total nerdiness, fatness, and familiarity with California, etc., it's suggested.

However my experience with Dolan's style totally contradicts this. In addition it's tough to imagine him penning the recent "American Nationalism," article, considering Dolan's ideological awareness.

--Urb
 * I like the change in style. I'm fixing a spot of grammar here and there, and putting back in the quote about how he surfs war news at work, I like that little bit of info. Dsol

---

Okay, so here's

http://www.exile.ru/2001-October-18/feature_story.html

a Dolan "war nerd" article. It's significant he hasn't contributed anything in this style since then. He calls himself a "war nerd," also asserts near the end "Turks are cool," and refers to a "lake of glass" (a book of revelation reference), both recently invoked by the War Nerd. He espouses the basic "politics" of the War Nerd, also, obviously.

Edit--I seem to be the War Nerd nerd, but it occurs to me the Dolan "war nerd"-reminiscent article was "helped" along by Mark Ames. That the two of them could be to some degree collaborating on these is possible. But I think it equally possible it's an independent author.

Let history judge.

--Urb

 * Very cool find. I started on article on Dolan, and intend to work on it soon.  This should definitely go into the is Gary Brecher Real section, though.  Dsol 13:24, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

--

New Quotes
I like the quotes, but I don't think they should all be about the Iraq war. Dsol 21:32, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Is there any reason that Gary Brecher's history needs to have every fact explicitly linked to the article where it was derived? Basically, I think it's reasonable to say, as we do, that nearly everything we know about Brecher comes from his articles and then to simply use footnotes for the rest of the article.

shorter version of "Is Gary Brecher Real"
While I like the extra info (and just because it's circumstantial doesn't mean we can't put it in, this isn't a court of law), I agree that it has to be taken out for now, since its compilation and analysis constitutes original research. If we can find an in depth analysis on some website or even a weblog, though, it should go back in. Dsol 17:06, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Removal of Images
Am I missing something here? These are all promotional photos released for public consumption to spread awareness etc. etc., so I think this constitues fair use. We have a specific fair use tag for promophotos in fact. The only one that seems even slightly debatable to me as fair use is the zoomed out version of the eXile photo, but this appeared on a promotional bio page as well. I would further like to request that: Dsol 02:01, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Anyone who has further reason to delete these not misalign the remaining images to their titles.
 * Anyone who wishes to delete theses images mentions something on the talk page about the fair use issue, and allows for some brief discussion before deleting.
 * I tagged logo for the War Nerd as "possibly infringing", because anon user 69.253.195.228 has suggested the Diet Coke can in the image may be a copyvio. --Fxer 00:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

removal of photos from ehem website
they seem to have been removed, either to reduce traffic (from this page perhaps?) or perhaps simply to cover up a vast conspiracy of some sort. in any case a google image search for "site:ehem.no Roger Edvardsen" still turns up a cached copy of roger1.fig i guess someone with the time should remove the links from the article, and metion that they used to exist.

Not notable
This article was absurd. I've deleted some of it; not sure it should even exist. SlimVirgin (talk) 19:41, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Feel free to nominate it for an AfD then. I think your edits were mostly positive, as a lot of this info was not necessary.  See for example the version of the page before I started editing it.  The page also took its current form due to debates as to whether it should be written in such a way as to imply that his identity is not invented.  Some of the content could go back in, but that's a job for later, when someone can rework it in a better, less fanboy style.  The only thing I'm putting back in now is the mention of his forthcoming book.  Dsol 20:13, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Make sure you have a third-party source for all your edits from now on, please, including that he has a forthcoming book. SlimVirgin (talk) 20:18, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I replaced the article. Nearly the entire thing was axed because somebody decided it was "absurd" and "rediculous".  I'm not sure what those criticisms mean.  I am sure that Brecher's biography, writing, and fan base are relevant to this article.  If you feel there are problems with this article, then I'd like you to work with me to change them.  Ryan Utt

That Gary Brecher is Mark Ames
Here's a source. The only problem is that we didn't, until recently, allow blogs to be used. There was a very recent change that I haven't checked the wording of yet, to allow blogs written by relevant professional people. This is the guy who interviewed Brecher/Ames for UPI, so that would be covered. I'll check it out tomorrow. There are several other similar sources, as I'm sure you know. SlimVirgin (talk) 07:07, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah this source came up before, but some people were against it. I'm fine with it.  If you put it in, please also put back the table of pictures showing that the Brecher picture on the eXile website was actually of that the Norwegian musician.Dsol 10:41, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

 * What was the image of him you uploaded? SlimVirgin (talk) 19:20, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * There were several, they're in the edit history. They're all promo-phots from the eXile or the ehem website.  Please leave me a message if you flag them for deletion due to lack of source, the link is easy enough to find but I don't have them on my watchlist. Dsol 19:48, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I take it back, this page was reverted and they're all in now. Also, it seems that Sailer doesn't say anything in that blog entry that he doesn't say in the interview.  Another interesting tidbit is that bits of Brecher's intreview respondes seem to be cut and pasted from his articles.  I put something in about this before, but it was (rightly I think) edited out as borderline OR. Dsol 19:59, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

 * What the photograph of Brecher that you deleted?

 * So Sailor says in the interview that there are rumors Brecher is Ames? Why did you delete it in that case? SlimVirgin (talk) 21:03, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

 * No I never deleted it. I put it in, and someone else took it out. It's in the history.  Check out the linked sailor article too.  Personally, I think it's Dolan.  For one, he showed up a month or two before Brecher started having columns, for another, check out his lecture, linked from the eXile and his pages.  Though I bet by now the different editors collaborate on it.  In any case, Victor Davis Hanson seemed to have believed that he was "suspended without pay," which I can't help but find utterly funny. Dsol 21:10, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

 * This is getting really tiresome. I inserted into the intro that there is speculation that Brecher is Ames. You deleted it. Now you're saying it was in the Sailor interview and you didn't delete it. Please explain. SlimVirgin (talk) 21:19, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I think you misunderstood me, or I misunderstood you previously. I mean that I never removed the images (which I just tagged with exile.ru and archive.org URLs btw).  I didn't remove the specific speculation about who he might be the first time it showed up (in fact I cleaned it up and sourced it to sailor, see the history), but I did when you put it in again, unsourced.  Between those events someone else had removed it as too speculative OR, and I consented.  If you want to source it to Sailer, I recommend using the interview, though go ahead and use the blog too, I don't mind.  I don't agree with your removing all the other info though, and two other recent editors seem to agree.  If it's just a notability question maybe you should let it stand, or is there some policy reason not to put it in?  Like I said, I don't care too terribly much. Dsol 21:25, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Please stop playing games. If you knew that Sailor was a source for that claim, then why did you remove it as unsourced, instead of simply adding the source?

As for your images, the links don't work, so these are copyright violations. Even if they are, as you say, promo photos for a band, and you've provided no evidence of that, they are not being used to promote the band, so we can't use them as promo pics. SlimVirgin (talk) 21:36, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Please calm down. I removed it instead of adding the source because I agreed with the earlier claim (before you got here) that such claims were too speculative, hard to source (sailer exception notwithstanding), and possibly original research.  You don't need to become angry about this.  The links to exile.ru and archive.org work fine for me, I'll double check them (I've had some trouble writing archive.org links before).  The images come from a promotional website about the band: http://www.ehem.no .  The links to the pictures on ehem.no are broken, but they're preserved at archive.org.

 * Regarding your comments on the image pages,
 * A)I don't see how you can say that there's no evidence about who the person is, have you even looked at the website they're from?
 * B)promophotos need not be used for promotional purposes to be fair use. note the text of the promophot tag: "It is believed that the use of this photograph to illustrate the person, product, or event in question...is fair use" nothing about it being used for promotional purposes.  In fact, WP is never supposed to promote anyone, so if that were the case the tag would be useless.  Dsol 21:56, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Regarding the picture hosted on the eXile site, I've left it flagged copyvio because it's such a wierd case. I will read up on the necessary issues during the one week before it's deleted. Dsol 22:07, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I am asking you once again to stop playing these childish games and try to focus:

 * 1. Stop removing copyvio tags from image pages.
 * 2. You cannot claim they've been released for promotional purposes and then not link to them.
 * 3. A link to a Google cache or other archive is no use. If the band wants them to be used, you have to provide evidence of that. A Google cache isn't evidence.
 * 4. If the band wants to be promoted via that photograph, it isnt helping them that it's on this page. We are not illustrating that person, product, or event, as you know very well, so you can't claim fair use.
 * 5. If you want to claim fair use for THIS page, you have to provide a rationale. You don't have one.
 * 6. Where in the Sailor article does it say that there is speculation that Brecher is Ames? SlimVirgin (talk) 22:59, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Please regfrain from accusing me of playing childish games. I find that, and your consistently aggressive tone, offensive.  Please try to relax.

 * 1) I didn't realize how copyvio worked before. Thanks for explaining.  I have commented at the appropriate place, and will leave all future copyvio tags intact.
 * 2) I did link to them. The links are now fixed, and accompanied by links to the ehem website.
 * 3) The archive is valid. It doesn't matter if the band doesn't want them used now; the archive of the picture and its context shows that they did at one time amd that is enough.  There is nothing in fair use doctrine about the originator of the work being able to "recall" the fair use clause if they don't want the work shown anymore.  I think this is obvious, but if you disagree, let's discuss it further at talk:copyvio.
 * 4) Promophoto fair use doesn't require that the page with the photo be used for illustrating the person, product or event specifically for promotional use. As I mentioned above, WP is not supposd to promote anyone at all.  We, are, however, illustrating who he (Edvardson) is in this article, because that shows who Gary Brecher is not.  A bold font does not really change this, so far as I can tell.
 * 5) As mentioned above, this page illustrates who Roger Edvardsen is. This is notable because it shows that the photo is not of Brecher.  As for the photo from the eXile site, I agree that's not so simple, see my comments at the copyvio page.
 * 6) Sailer never proposed that Brecher was Ames, but he questioned the former's assumed identity: "Who are you? Are you really a fat guy in Fresno who works in data entry and lives in a duplex and can't stand the heat, or is that a literary character you made up?" This was in earlier version of the article.  I don't really feel like explaining this anymore, so please see the history if the article's previous speculations on Brecher's true identity are not clear. Dsol 23:34, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I apologize if you feel my tone is too aggressive, but you really are wasting a lot of my time, although the more you try to waste it like this, the more I'm convinced that it's in fact time well spent. If you're a genuine WP editor, please try to coooperate by editing within our polices, and that involves learning what they are. If you're from eXile, perhaps you could ask the editor to e-mail me? Link on my user page.

Regarding fair use, you can only use it in limited circumstances, and if you're claiming fair use of a photo of X, it would almost always have to be used on an article related to X. This article is about someone who is misusing the photograph. We can't misuse it again to illustrate that misuse. This is like you wanting to repeat a libel in order to libel that person again.

If you have a photograph of whoever writes under the byline Brecher, by all means add it, so long as you know the copyright status. If you don't, then don't add one of someone else. Wikipedia isn't an extension of eXile. SlimVirgin (talk) 00:06, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

 * As I mentioned on the talk page of the eXile, I will not discuss speculations about my identity further. If you're interested in whether I'm a "genuine" editor, please look at my edit history.  If you feel these discussions are a waste of your time, you're not obligated to have them, but you can't edit these pages without discussions and be surprised if your changes are reverted.  Take your pick.  I am not trolling or editing in bad faith, and my contributions bear this out.

 * There is nothing in fair use that says the image must be used in an article about Edvardsen. The closest things seems to be: "The material must contribute significantly to the article (e.g. identify the subject of an article, or specifically illustrate relevant points or sections within the text) and must not serve a purely decorative purpose." Clearly the images illustrate the relevant point that the photo of Brecher appearing in the eXile is of someone else.

 * I have never had any contact with eXile staff. Their email adresses are on their website, if you wish to get in email contact with them.  Dsol 00:24, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

 * If you don't know who Brecher is, then how do you know he's not the person in the photograph? By all means argue your case on the copyright page. I'll be happy to abide by whatever decision is made there regarding whether they're allowed to stay on the site, but I'll resist them being used in this article. SlimVirgin (talk) 00:39, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

 * That's an interesting but slightly wierd point. We know from the photos, the website, and the above email correspondence with ehem that the photo is of Edvardsen.  So unless Edvardsen is Brecher, the photo is not of Brecher.  That theory seems relatively unlikely to me, i.e. that the War Nerd is actually a Norwegian blues musician who uses Brecher as a penname.  Or did you mean something else?

I can definitely see some validity in your case for excluding the info, or at least the pictures. But this was reached after a fair amount of bickering about what info about Brecher's "realness" to put in, and I think it's a pretty good solution. I would have a much bigger problem with the removal of so much bio info, which is relevant to his writing in the same way Ames' is. Dsol 00:54, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Removed unsourced sections
I removed the following as unsourced opinion. If you want to add it, we'll need a credible third-party source who says this. "His columns show a comprehensive acquaintance with military history and combat technology. His writing eschews both compassion and ideology in favor of frank, visceral discussion of the reality of war, and does not hesitate to acknowledge an aesthetic or perhaps even fetishistic pleasure in the study, observation, and intimate knowledge of armed conflict."

I also removed the following because the links don't seem to bear it out. "The editors of the eXile have announced in their replies to readers' letters that Brecher is currently at work on his first book." ,

Can you say where exactly (quoting so I can search for it) in these links it says he is writing a book. Also, please note that embedded links aren't placed in round parentheses. One square bracket on either side, then place the link after the punctuation.

Inclusion/Exclusion of Bio info
here's a new section for comments and consensus building discussion on this topic. I for one think everything should go in, as it sheds light on the writing that makes Brecher notable. I am reverting back to a full version, and but removing the unsourcde opinion correctly noted by Slimvirgin. I don't see how the links fail to support the book claim, they make the specific claim that he's working on a book. It's cited as a claim in the article.

Slimvirgin, I'm glad your point of view is being heard here for the sake of balance, but I think you're removing too much info about a notable topic about which you haved professed no familiarity. I would urge you to think about how important reducing the amount of info here is before reverting a fourth time tonight. I do, however, see the need for a style change, and will try to incorporate the spirit of your edits without removing too much info Dsol 02:36, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Dsol, I'm asking you yet again to edit within our policies. Please don't add anything to the article that you don't have a credible source for. SlimVirgin (talk) 02:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Can you please quote what is said about the book exactly and say from which link? Second time of asking. SlimVirgin (talk) 02:44, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

 * No, this is not necessary. The quote is not required for the article, since the fact is easy to find in the linked source.  Click on the article, and search for "book" in your browser window, hit find a few times.  It's not a reasonable requirement for me to have to produce easy to find quotes that show my sources say what I say they do.  If I weren't here, and had made these edits months ago, your not being able to find the quote in the source would not be justification to reject the source, and it's not now.

 * I will try to make sure everything is sourced well.  Point out if I make any mistakes please.  Please do not imply that our disagreements over what is mandated by policy is tantamount to a disregard for policy on my part.  If that was not your intention, then please pardon my misunderstanding of your comment.  Dsol 02:57, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Who worries about copyright violations of images on the INTERNET? Have you seen the Internet?  Has any single lawsuit successfully been prosecuted with this violation?  Sorry I'm not up to date on Wikipedia policy, but here we are.  On the Internet.  All this oculd possibly be is promotion of a pretty obscure musical group.  If the law technically states this, it's more as a law of grammar.

Who even needs to source the Brecher book notions? I've read it several times in the letters portion of eXile.

 * The ugly "merge with John Dolan" thing needs to go. Nobody knows that for sure.  This might be some literary persona and it might not.

Evidence for fakery: Suspension of War Nerd "without pay" for one issue sounds like some joke. Brecher's reply, next issue, "way to stand by your writers" sounds weird. But it's weird anyway, maybe Ames pussied out.

Also, Ames and Dolan were remarkably tepid in their reply to Hanson's claim that some left-wing ideology is remarkably similar to far right ideology (which Brecher espouses). Obviously they might have wanted to stand by Brecher, however they might have been stung, identifying themselves consciously and unconsciously with the now-popular "war-nerd" view, which they (once?) shared to some extent. A deliberate attempt to create inflaming schizophrenia and identification in readers boomerangs to inflamed schizophrenia and identification and confusion in the writers?

Against: A certain war-nerd bluntness seems hard to reconcile still with Ames and Dolan and their liberalness. You can still almost imagine Brecher raving about Michael Moore or something. Which may be the point of the persona...

Adding fuel to the fire...
John Dolan: Feb 06: "First, a public confession: as several readers pointed out, I made a disgraceful error in my article "Frey's Fall" (eXile #230), when I mis-identified Ralph Wiggum as "Ralph Wiggins." There is, of course, no "Wiggins" in the Simpsons. There can be no excuse for this sort of failure. The only question is deciding my punishment."

Gary Brecher, Aug 05: "I got a lot of flak for my last column, some of it justified. I made a lame, amateur mistake about the size of a Roman legion, adding a zero, and got called on it by a lot of alert readers. A Roman legion of Julius Caesar's time had 5,000 men, not 50,000. ... The only issue now is what my punishment ought to be."
 * definitely quite convincing. there has been no doubt in my mind for quite a while that dolan is the main if not only author of the brecher columns.  However, this is both unverifiably and original (if admittedly quite good) research, and cannot go in according to WP's rules.  Dsol 16:28, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Oh, I wasn't planning to add research to the article, although I think it's tolerated on talk pages ;)

 * But what do people think about adding War Nerd article links to other pages? (e.g. RPG to this) - it definitely provides more insight into various aspects of war that wikipedia might otherwise miss.

 * I suppose he'd count Wikipedians as "Equipment Geeks" with our lists of weapon specifications from DOD publications and official websites, and nothing to say "well actually, the M1 Abrams might have fancy hi-tech armour that can beat a T-55, but the Iraqi teenagers are quite capable of defeating it using a stack of old landmines under the road". Ojw 18:38, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Even more fuel for the fire -- watch out VDH
I found more evidence that John Dolan is Gary Brecher: http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=6609&IBLOCK_ID=35

This sounds like something Gary Brecher could have written. The Mongols of yore sound like Gary's type of people.

Sure, a number of John Dolan's columns have more literary references than Gary Brecher's; but Gary Brecher could be a "character" and John Dolan could be writing "in character" if he were writing War Nerd columns. It might be a lot of fun for a literary guy to pretend to be a war-loving slob now and then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.237.215.179 (talk) 03:31, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Trim for encyclopedic tone
I've removed a fair bit of self-referntial and scyophantic material from the article. Heading like "The legend" and extensive lists of quotes are not encyclopedic in tone. I've also removed most of the material that can only be verified from the exile website itself, as we're required to only reproduce material from primary sources that can also be confirmed via secondary sources. - brenneman  {L}  23:53, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

War Nerd published by The American Conservative?
The guy he [Mark Greuter] was looking to work for was Pat Buchanan. The same guy whose magazine publishes the War Nerd.

--Sic in The eXile (2006 June 29 issue) http://www.exile.ru/2006-June-29/your_letters.html
 * I think they are being facetious. zafiroblue05 | Talk 21:25, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I decided not to care anymore. Brecher's identity matters to me as much as deepthroat's did, i.e. not at all.

Dolan theory
Is anyone reminded of Joe Bob Briggs? 67.117.130.181 10:01, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Brecher Real
Brecher's Real, man! He just remains obscure so the ex-hippies he works with won't try to get him fired. (and VDH won't try to get a restraining order against him) --71.141.102.54 06:42, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

That is unreferenced and rings untrue, as Brecher has stated repeatedly that he has argued with his coworkers about war a lot, even if he always gave up in disgust. MadMaxDog 07:07, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Gary Brecher vs. Dolan Ames
I decided to compile some sources and arguments which would demonstrate that Gary Brecher, John Dolan and Mark Ames are different writers. Here goes:

John Dolan rages against Colonialism:

Whitewash on the Dark Continent by John Dolan

http://www.exile.ru/2006-February-24/whitewash_on_the_dark_continent.html

“Now Meredith performs the same service for Westerners who might feel a wee little twinge of conscience about their role in the mess that is Africa. That's not surprising. What does surprise me is how crudely it is done, and how successful sheer crude whitewashes seem to be these days.

Meredith's most powerful trick is so obvious I can't believe no mainstream reviewer has noticed it. He rigs the game by starting the story of each African country's fall into chaos at the moment of "independence"--that is, the day when the colonial occupier decided to dump a particular swath of African land it had been exploiting over several generations.

This is like starting the biography of a woman who's been gangraped and shot as she lies in Intensive Care, her vital signs fading. Clearly, she just didn't have the will to live. Nobody's fault but hers.

Of course, Meredith realizes he can't entirely airbrush the fact of colonialism. Too many people have at least a vague idea that some not-quite-cricket deeds were done by Victoria's darlings, those brave, sunburnt pederasts in pith helmets who "explored" Africa via enslavement, expropriation and massacre.

So Meredith does what any smart propagandist would do: he compresses that long nightmare story of multiple genocides, mass rape, slave raids and degradation into a 14-page "Introduction." “

His anti-colonialism rant goes on and on: just read the article.

“I get tired of saying this, and I'm sure many readers are far more tired of hearing me say it. But somebody has to, and at the moment the publishing world seems to consist solely of credulous American reviewers and Tory liars working day and night to convince them that the Empire was the best thing that every happened to Wog-dom, and the whole 20th-century "independence" guff nothing but flim-flam.”

“Of course, that last clause is true enough; Africa is a fearful mess, no doubt. But it's disingenuous at best to pretend that its problems began when the rapists shot their loads and left, sniggering. In fact, "disingenuous" my ass. It's a filthy, calculated lie designed to exonerate the Empires who perpetrated the most protracted and cruel exploitation of conquered peoples in history.”

“How can you DO this, Mister Meredith? How can you sleep after writing filth like this book? Don't you have any decency at all?”

Compare this point of view to this:

Columbia: A Hundred Years of Slaughtertude by Gary Brecher http://exile.ru/148/148152003.html

“Colombians have been killing each other since the Spanish came ashore and got to work hacking the local Indians into extinction. The only thing that's changed in the 400 years since then is they've been getting better at it every century.”

Massacres Paid Your Mortgage, Dude by Gary Brecher http://www.exile.ru/2005-July-01/war_nerd.html

“Where do you live? Now answer fast: Who lived there 300 years ago? The reason you can live there without asking some chief's permission is that your tribe wiped out their tribe. Primitive warfare paid the mortgage on your house, dude. And it happened every bit as cold-bloodedly as it's happening in Africa right now.

Take Montana. Now it's vacation land for every Hollywood leftie but 150 years ago it was up for grabs. As the Anglos muscled in on them, North American tribes fought, negotiated or ran. The ones who fought lost. They won some battles along the way, but they were little tribes against the Anglos, the biggest and scariest tribe in the world. The ones who negotiated knew from the start that the stronger tribe always takes what it wants, sooner or later. The ones who ran faced the same old problem: the only places you could run to were already claimed by other tribes. The only solution, in the simple hard rules of primitive warfare, was to wipe out the other tribe.”

“Us Americans can't seem to face facts like that. We're not as consciously cold-blooded or clearheaded as the Brits, who did hundreds of Wounded Knees all over the world without flinching, and without losing any sleep either.

We had to lie to ourselves about it -- first one lie, then the opposite one. Right after the "battle" of Wounded Knee, Congress went into a frenzy of patriotic bullshit. They handed out more than a dozen Congressional Medals of Honor, the highest decoration our country has, to troopers who died in the "fight," even though most accounts of the battle agree that the Cav's casualties were almost certainly caused by friendly fire. The troopers had made one of the most basic mistakes you can make in an ambush. They surrounded the Sioux encampment from all sides, so when they started firing, anything that missed its target (and that included two Hotchkiss rapid-fire cannon that could get off almost a round per second) was likely to hit the troopers across the way.”

“It really pisses me off, the way these Kevin Costner types romanticize rebel tribes, once they're safely annihilated. It's been happening for hundreds of years, too. The Brits totally wiped out the Scottish Highland tribes -- and they were tribes -- after they rebelled in 1745. It was merciless, classic primitive warfare: men hanged on the battlefield, farms burned to the ground, kids dragged away to be trained as Englishmen, the native Scottish language and songs forbidden by law. And then, once they were sure the Highlanders were gone, the English started romanticizing everything about them, even those dumb skirts the Highland men wore because they were too dumb to make pants that fit.

When I was growing up, my teachers tried to make the Sioux into saints and the Seventh Cav into murderers. I had to read that Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee book in high school, and if my teacher had heard me even hint that it wasn't a good vs. evil story, she'd have expelled me on the spot. Everybody had a great time crying for the poor Indians -- but I noticed nobody said anything about giving them California back.”

That is way, way too close to home for John Dolan’s fancy. That is a legitimization of English domination in Scotland! Comparisons between the Brits and Americans, where the Brits are described as being ‘cold-blooded’ and this in a favorable way, are found in several other of Brecher’s articles.

Degree of Nuance and Extent of Literary References

Colombia: A Hundred Years of Slaughtertude by Gary Brecher http://exile.ru/148/148152003.html

“Killing is like the only way you can make a point in Colombia. Take soccer. We all know foreigners get a little crazy about soccer -- hooligans, riots, all that. But Colombians do it their way -- none of that noise and drunken chair-throwing crap you get with English hooligans. Colombians say it with bullets.”

The World’s Most Overrated Poets: Vol. 1 by John Dolan http://www.exile.ru/2007-February-08/a_is_for_auden_alas.html

“The stanza is full of such prosodic gaffes, like the fact that Auden has to rechristen the deceased "William Yates" to squeeze him into his deal coffin. The man was often called "Yeats" but when more formally addressed insisted on all three names, "William Butler Yeats"; knocking out the middle name is simply Auden's home carpentry in verse at work. Indeed, the whole structure of this first stanza is maudlin, hackneyed bathos, a crude example of the most debased genre in poetry, the elegy for the illustrious dead.”

Stepmother War by John Dolan http://www.exile.ru/2004-April-29/book_review.html

'Yet, for all the superficial resemblance to Nam books, Zinky Boys is unlike any American war memoir. The differences are easy to spot, but hard to explain. Some you'd expect: for one thing, the editor can hardly make a point without quoting Dostoevsky, Lermontov, Berdyayev or Tolstoy. You don't find that sort of literary figure quoted much in the typical Nam memoir. Hendrix is about as close to high culture as they usually get.'

The Research Behind War Nerd Articles

I agree with some people who have posted here that the overlap between Gary Brecher, John Dolan and Mark Ames is interesting. One of the reasons I think Gary Brecher is not a character is because of the research that goes into the articles and the way the histories are recounted. There is a lot of web research that goes into these articles. One time I used the infos given in an article to find sources about wars in Ethiopia- it was difficult! I suggest everyone try it out for themselves to find a clear narrative of something like the recent civil war in Liberia- really try researching it! It’s difficult! Firstly, the sources are rarely objective or complete. You can come across sources favoring one side or the other- secondly the sources often lack context, just being lists of names or events removed from the big picture. The only conclusion I can reach is that the War Nerd is a person adept at research, who does it for reasons of personal enjoyment, and writes these articles simply as a reflection upon the research, which he would do anyway because of his interest in the subject.

On the topic of whether Brecher could be a combination of Ames and Dolan, working together, I think its suggested by the article entitled “Cleanse the World”, where Dolan, collaborating with Ames, steps away from his normal whiney self-pity trip and paints a cartoon picture of him blowing up the world. He even writes: “Oh, my poor naive war-nerd brothers, how could you ever have dreamed that Bush, or Limbaugh, or that second-rate CEO, that GM Board-of-Directors second-stringer, Donald Rumsfeld, ever shared our dreams?” That’s disturbing for two reasons- it uses the word War-Nerd in 2001, before War Nerd as a columnist existed. Secondly, he uses the formulation “Oh my brothers” from Clockwork-Orange, which is later used in War Nerd’s classic article on Victor Davis Hanson. Borrowing formulations from each other is an argument in favor of Dolan-Ames being Brecher.

Has anyone seen this article? http://prague.tv/articles/zine/warnerd

Whats interesting is that at the end of the article, it says: “Gary Brecher, a.k.a. “The War Nerd,” is a columnist at Moscow’s The eXile newspaper (exile.ru). He can be reached at letters@pill.cz”

Why would Brecher ask that emails be sent to the Prague Pill, an old ezine, instead of giving his address at eXiLe, in 2002? I checked out some of the contributors to the Pill but none of them seemed to write anything similar to War Nerd- even a semi-well researched article on the history of Semtex upon further research proves to be written by people of a very different bent (Zaitchik and Koyen).

My final observation is this: neither Dolan nor Ames could be the War Nerd alone. Dolan is too bookish and caught up in himself, and too much a pacifist, and too virulently anti-colonialist. Ames is too much a confused drug-user to need to satisfy his curiosity by researching obscure conflicts.

Together, I also don’t think they could be the War Nerd. On the basis that they are both so lazy, and it would be a masterpiece of rhetorical posturing if they were to collaborate for 118 articles without some of the articles being visibly schizophrenic. The ‘voice’ in all the articles is the same. The ‘voice’ is consistant with a non-academic, amateur war historian of rightist political leanings, with perhaps limited life-experience, and an amoral Hobbesian world view. Had Dolan been writing, there would be some nuanced, poetic flourish somewhere, which would have slipped past whatever censor was being conducted. Was Ames writing, there would have been some of his prankishness, and his juvenile humor, which would have slipped through somewhere. E. Veklevsen 22:56, 28 May 2007 (UTC)E. Veklevsen

 * Interesting reading. But the perfect definition of OR. We will likely have to remain unknowing.MadMaxDog 06:27, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

More Dolan as Brecher evidence: eXile removed the "RPG vs. M1" column for a couple years, inexplicably, then finally reposted it due to readers bugging them. In it, Brecher mentions "studying Jane's manuals," just as Dolan does in his book. This was mentioned in the Buffalo Beast review of Pleasant Hell ("you'd have to be dumb not to realize Dolan is the War Nerd when you read about Dolan studying Jane's manuals blah blah..."...anybody want to check the archive.org Wayback Machine and see if the RPG vs. M1 column was removed right after the publication of the Beast review of Pleasant Hell? That would be nearly enough to convict, IMHO.

Additionally, in the Beast review of "Pleasant Hell," remember Taibbi was the editor of the Beast at the time, I think, or right before that, and the reviewer mentions speaking w/ Mark Ames over the phone. It's reasonable to assume Taibbi or Ames confirmed to the reviewer "Dolan is the War Nerd." Again, the Beast reviewer, having spoken to both Taibbi and Ames, is 100% sure Dolan is the War Nerd.

Also, someone named "Poetess" from UC Berkeley (where Dolan studied) posts in the John Dolan discussion, "some people like to don literary personas from time to time..." Considering she's from Berkeley, reasonable to assume she knows Dolan, and is confirming him being the War Nerd.

Seems reasonable Dolan would have some "I am not Spock," "I am Spock" trouble with this, considering the mutant liberality Dolan exhibits in his criticism. Dolan seemed stung by VDH. Remember, after the VDH criticism of far left and far right similarities, Dolan (?) bit the bullet and wrote the "I am a paleocon/old-school American nationalist" column/admission. 2/14/08 --JJ

Well, it's official now.
Gary Brecher it is. All "War Nerd" articles are now have "By Gary Brecher" clearly written. Not that anybody had any doubts for years by now :). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.42.19.35 (talk) 11:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Some new evidence: Dolan's the man
I don't really know how much this actually matters, it's just a matter of trivia I think, but here's something I just found that I think people involved in the discussions here might find interesting.

a friend of mine sent an email to brecher and got it bounced back because the mailbox was full, as it would turn out the mail being sent to war_nerd@exile.ru is being re-directed to dolan@exile.ru. I tried sending an email myself and managed to duplicate the effect. they're just email addresses but they would have set this up several years ago for convenience's sake I would think. I've got full headers if people want them. http://xs229.xs.to/xs229/08291/snap1572.jpg Pajari (talk) 06:39, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Dolan Cops to being War Nerd
View Dolan's new biography at his university: http://www.auis.biz/?q=node/306

"Dolan has published seven books, such as The War Nerd, Pleasant Hell, and People with Real Lives Don’t Need Landscapes as well as hundreds of articles and reviews under his own name and several others. In addition, he has been interviewed on NPR, Radio NZ, Radio Moskva, and has been reviewed by outlets all over the world." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.113.23.44 (talk) 11:18, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's "official", their articles should be merged. http://exiledonline.com/dylan-ratigan-talks-shop-with-the-war-nerd-about-libya-on-radio-free-dylan/ FunkMonk (talk) 03:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Agree completely. Gonna be kind of a pain to do though. dsol (talk) 10:27, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Abortion of this article
...if it is notable at all it should at least be done from scratch...stylistically among the worst article in english-wp... :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paranoid Android1208 (talk • contribs) 21:51, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Merger
Article should be merged into John Dolan (writer). Brecher is a pen name of Dolan. Any objections? --RaiderAspect (talk) 04:34, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Do it. FunkMonk (talk) 19:09, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree if we have a really solid source. John Nagle (talk) 07:18, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * See above, as well as the introductions to the "War Nerd Wednesdays" here: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/nsfwcorp/id525138925?mt=2 FunkMonk (talk) 07:44, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * And as text: https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/welcome-the-war-nerd/ FunkMonk (talk) 00:53, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

 * Naw - I think the push to publicize what may or may not be this guys real name is a potential violation of the policy against outing editors. [Maybe someone should like to add the link to the specific policy here?  thanks]  I would recommend not to do it unless you don't mind having it done to yourself.  Has FunkMonk spoken to High Command at Xenion recently?  What are their instructions

 * Incidentally, the recent edit to this page reverted was neither nor unsourced nor speculation, however I appreciate your concern you are no doubt well apprised with that I don't get hurt myself. Good looking out.  Incidentally, please remove the 'article outdated, please add info' box at top of page, since this is obviously no longer the case.  Thanks again 55378008a (talk) 03:32, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

 * "I think the push to publicize what may or may not be this guys real name is a potential violation" as the links above show, online shows he has been on have identified him as being both, so you can be pretty sure it was with his consent. FunkMonk (talk) 20:22, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

 * @Chuntuk Thanks. Just to be nitpicky, and to be clear you are under no obligation to respond to the troll here, but I wasn't aware consent voids the policy. Sorry about the snark, and just want to congratulate you on absolutely astounding work on the dinosaurs and pigeons. 55378008a (talk) 12:53, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

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Example
Why does the example use risk transfer via CDS rather than a more straightforward purchase? A synthetic CDO backed by governtment obligations is certainly a valid structure but it would seem to obscure the real mechanics. Bongomatic (talk) 02:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Origin of "tranche"
Does anyone know the significance of "traunche" v. "tranche" ... I have seen both usage. Is the first a spelling mistake or ...
 * Yes, I think so -- people think that the term, being French, ought to have a "u" in it somewhere... (or maybe people are subconsciously thinking of the word "raunchy"?)
 * RH: tranche is found in several online dictionaries, and is from the old French for 'slice' (c.f. 'trench'). 'traunch' is not found in the same sources, and is therefore probably a mis-spelt form of 'tranche'.  This particular spelling likely arose from the way in which an English-speaker would pronounce the word as it is actually pronounced in French, with the 'au' sounding like the 'o' in the word 'long'.  Without the Anglophone knowing how to pronounce the word in French, he would otherwise pronounce 'tranche' like 'ranch'.
 * "Traunche" or "traunch" (which I have seen more frequently, usually in e-mail from senior management of investment banks) is a misspelling. Bongomatic (talk) 02:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

International Monetary Fund tranches
Somebody with some time should write up a description of tranche as used by multilateral financial organizations (especially the International Monetary Fund). Within structural adjustment lending programs, loans were given out in 'slices', or tranches. Subsequent tranches were in theory supposed to only be given if countries restructured their economies as specified by structural adjustment conditionalities.

--Imagine&Engage 12:07, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Does anyone know what the seminal papers on tranches are? I am interested in the 'pooling' process and its potential application to other areas of economics. Much thanks.

Proteomics link?
Why is there a large and prominent link to a proteomics website? Finnancier 11:30, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

The link exists because Tranche is the name of a widely used proteomics tool. The tool is also used by other areas of science. It is similar to BitTorrent, but redesigned to securely share scientific data. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaysonfalkner (talk • contribs) 20:02, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

That may be what another use of the word is, but that should be settled in a disambiguation page, not in a see also. That link should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.233.76.7 (talk) 21:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Indentured Bond
I took a finance class, here in the U.S., and this was called an indentured bond by the book. I'll see if I can get the name of the book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.168.6.143 (talk) 20:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I am a structure finance lawyer. I think your book may be using an outdated definition. Indentures are widely used through-out finance regardless of the type of obligation, witness, for example, the federal regulation of many indentures under the Trust Indenture Act of 1939, as amended. As the following discussion will show, "indentures" are best thought of as instruments used throughout finance without regard to the method of finance.

Bonds are debt obligations. Structured finance products may or may not involve debt obligations. Thus, "bonds" does not entirely comprehend the field of structured finance. Indentures (properly "indentures of trust" or "trust indentures") are the instruments under which structured products are issued.

Pre-19th century, an indenture was an agreement between two people that was "indented", torn in two with a large, regularly jagged, edge. The protrusions on one piece fitted into the "dents" on the other piece; thus "authenticating" the document --- proving that each was part of the same document.

Indentures were prevalent in real estate transactions and were adapted in the 19th century for use in railroad finance (without the tearing in two). Railroads borrowed money (issued bonds) secured by mortgages. The bonds were issued under indentures which also served as the mortgages; hence, an indentured bond was a bond secured by a mortgage. The railroad continued to own the property, but the trust indenture put a lien (the mortgage) on the property. In this situation an indenture provides security to the bondholders that the railroad will pay the bonds. The trust indenture is a "security device".

Later, in the early 20th century, corporations began borrowing money by the issuance of bonds, but these bonds were unsecured. Unsecured bonds are known as "debentures", and the instruments under which they are issued are "debenture indentures"; thus expanding the use of the term "indenture".

The first structured products (circa 1985) were "pass-throughs". A trust was created by a trust indenture, to hold assets(mortgages, credit receivables, etc.), and the trust issued certificates evidencing ownership of the assets. Payments received on the assets were passed-through to the investors holding the certificates. In this situation, the trust indenture is not a security device (as in the case of indenture bonds) but a depository with independent legal existence. It is recognized by law as a "person", a "juridical entity". Under tax law, though, the trust may be invisible (a "grantor trust"), and the owners of the assets are the holders of the certificates.

One type of structure product involves putting bonds (issued, themselves, under indentures) into trusts (created by indentures) which issue pass-through certificates evidencing ownership of the bonds.

E-6B (talk) 16:44, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Equity tranche
Is equity tranche just another name for what is described here?90.190.225.121 (talk) 09:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Tranche actually has quite a different meaning in venture capital. It refers to an investment where portions of the money are released to the company over time as they meet certain predefined milestones. I can write a more detailed article about it if it makes sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdixon2000 (talk • contribs) 13:04, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

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Kapit Division

Kapit Division, formed on 2 April 1973, is one of the twelve administrative divisions in Sarawak, Malaysia. It has a total area of 38,934 square kilometres, and is the largest of the administrative divisions of Sarawak.

Its population (year 2020 census) was 134,800. Ethnically, the population of Kapit Division was 68% Iban, 19.1% Orang Ulu (Kenyah, Kayan, Penan etc.), 7% Chinese, 3.4% Malay, 1.3% Melanau, and 0.3% Bidayuh, and 0.1% other.

Kapit Division consists of three districts (Kapit, Song and Belaga) and two sub-districts (Nanga Merit and Sungai Asap).

Some 86% of the land area is held in forest reserve. The economy is largely agricultural, based on forestry, oil palm, paddy, rubber, banana, and pepper. Other natural resources include coal. The Bakun Dam is based partly in Kapit Division.

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Distribution Media Format

Distribution Media Format (DMF) is a format for floppy disks that Microsoft used to distribute software. It allowed the disk to contain 1680 KiB of data on a 3$1/2$-inch disk, instead of the standard 1440 KiB. As a side effect, utilities had to specially support the format in order to read and write the disks, which made copying of products distributed on this medium more difficult. An Apple Macintosh computer running Disk Copy 6.3.3 on the Mac OS 7.6 or later operating system can copy and make DMF disks. The first Microsoft software product that uses DMF for distribution were the "c" revisions of Office 4.x. It also was the first software product to use CAB files, then called "Diamond".

Comparison of DMF and standard 1440 KiB 3$1/2$-inch diskettes:

DMF in the form of a 1680 KiB Virtual Floppy Disk (VFD) image and IBM Extended Density Format (XDF) images are supported by Windows Virtual PC.

title: Distribution Media Format