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Dover Mall

The Dover Mall is a shopping mall located on U.S. Route 13 in Dover, Delaware. The anchor stores are Boscov's, Old Navy, Dick's Sporting Goods, and JCPenney. There are 3 additional anchor spaces, with one serving as a Macy's fulfillment center since the 2020 holiday season and vacant anchor spots last occupied by Sears and AMC Theatres. It is a one-level, enclosed regional mall that is managed by Simon Property Group, who owns 68.1% of it. At 927414 sqft, it is the third biggest mall in Delaware, boasting 83 shops and a food court.

Location
The Dover Mall is located along U.S. Route 13 (North Dupont Highway) in the northern part of the city of Dover in Kent County, Delaware, and serves as the only enclosed mall in the Dover area. The mall is situated in a retail corridor and is located just northwest of Dover Motor Speedway and Bally's Dover and across the street from Delaware State University. The Dover Mall is located a short distance south of an interchange with Delaware Route 1. Dover Mall is served by DART First State bus routes 108, 109, and 112, which provide local bus service to points in Dover and Kent County.

Description
The Dover Mall is a one-level shopping mall that has a gross leasable area of 927414 sqft and contains 79 stores. The mall is anchored by JCPenney, a Macy's fulfillment center, Boscov's, Dick's Sporting Goods, Old Navy, and vacant anchor spots last occupied by Sears and a 14-screen AMC Classic. The Dover Mall also has a food court. The Dover Mall complex also includes a strip mall called Dover Commons. The Dover Mall offers tax-free shopping and has a trade area that covers the city of Dover and much of Kent County, while also attracting tourists who visit the Dover area.

History
Built in 1982, the Dover Mall was the second climate-controlled enclosed mall in Dover, following the Blue Hen Mall (now the Blue Hen Corporate Center) a few miles south on Bay Road. The Dover Mall was built as a second mall for the Dover area for Sears and other department stores after Sears was unable to come to an agreement to build a store at the Blue Hen Mall. The opening of the Dover Mall led to the subsequent decline of the Blue Hen Mall. The mall was originally anchored by Boscov's, Leggett, and Sears. The Boscov's store at Dover Mall was the first Boscov's location outside Pennsylvania.

The mall was renovated in 1992. JCPenney became the mall's fourth department store when it opened in August 1993, relocating from the Blue Hen Mall. Later that year, the Dover Mall became the first shopping mall in the state to ban smoking. Leggett closed its store at the mall on March 15, 1997. It was replaced by Strawbridge's, which opened on November 21, 1997. During the same time period, Boscov's underwent a substantial renovation and expansion, and Sears completed an interior renovation. In 1999, Carmike Cinemas expanded from six screens to fourteen, and the mall food court was enlarged and renovated. Carmike Cinemas was converted to AMC Classic in 2017.

The Mills Corporation acquired the mall in 2003 from Cadillac Fairview. At the time of the purchase, the Mills Corporation announced a preliminary proposal to add approximately 500000 sqft. of new stores and entertainment venues. The mall's Strawbridge's store was converted to Macy's on September 9, 2006 after Federated Department Stores purchased May Department Stores, the owner of Strawbridge's. In April 2007, Simon Property Group acquired the mall along with the other Mills Corp. malls. It is Simon's only Delaware property and at least the third owner since 2000. In 2013, the Dover Mall added several new stores, including a new 53183 sqft Dick's Sporting Goods that opened on November 10, 2013.

On May 3, 2018, it was announced that the Sears at Dover Mall would be closing as part of a plan to close 42 stores nationwide. Liquidation sales began on May 18, 2018 and the store closed in August 2018. The Sears Auto Center closed by the end of 2018. Furniture & More will open in the former Sears location by the end of April 2024.

On October 15, 2020, Macy's parent company, Macy's, Inc., announced that they would convert the Southwest Plaza in Littleton, Colorado and the Dover Mall Macy's stores into fulfillment centers as online orders spiked during the COVID-19 pandemic.

On March 12, 2024, it was announced the AMC Classic is closing on March 17 as part of the company closing multiple movie theaters across the United States. It was the only movie theater in Dover. Among the challenges the theater faced was competition from Westown Movies in Middletown, which opened in 2013, and Milford Movies 9 in Milford, which opened at the end of 2020.

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Talk:Lew Wallace

Images
If anyone is interested, public domain images of Lew Wallace can be found here; generalsandbrevets.com. Delta Tango • Talk 14:06, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Unfamiliar term
"Serives"? Copey 2 (talk) 12:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

 * Typo fixed. Hal Jespersen (talk) 14:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

What was his military background before the Mexican War?
Did he go to West Point?

Tashiro (talk) 01:23, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

 * I could not find a record of any military training before Wallace served in Mexico in the volunteer service. I believe in those days the enlisted men elected their officers below the rank of major or so, which is likely here. Don't know for sure, though. Hope this helps, but others around here might find out more. Kresock (talk) 02:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

 * It took me a few tries (early in the morning here :-)), but I've updated it. Hal Jespersen (talk) 14:10, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Middle name
what is Wallace's middle name, please answer, I'm currently writing an article on Wallace and if I don't find his middle name I'll fail - Shay —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.234.153.184 (talk) 02:20, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * He did not have a middle name. His name was simply Lewis Wallace. Spacini (talk) 14:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Support
„Wallace made two unsuccessful bids for a seat in Congress (in 1868 and 1870), and supported Republican presidential candidate Rutherford B. Hayes in the 1878 election.”

?? Hayes was president already from 1877! 80.99.217.173 (talk) 12:44, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Shiloh- map needed.
The ordered movements, and the actual movements, of Wallace's division appear to be adequately described, but without a map the account is still confusing. Terry Thorgaard (talk) 17:56, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. Spacini (talk) 17:23, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

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Lewis "Lew" Wallace hypocorism
Re: Spacini's edit summary, "the fact that he was born "Lewis" and chose to style himself after about 30 for the remainder of his life as "Lew" takes precedent over the MOS", I couldn't disagree more. The significance that he went by "Lew" as his WP:COMMONNAME is clear in that it is the name of the article, and is not in dispute. What the MOS specifically calls out is instances in which the common name and the article name are the hypocorism and it is an obvious/common nickname from the birth name, such as Thomas -> Tom, or... Lewis-> Lew. This is a totally different circumstance than if the article were named Lewis Wallace and Spacini wanted to impart the significance of him going by "Lew" later, which is what the edit summary suggests is the rationale. The page should stay named "Lew Wallace" and the into should just list his birthname, "Lewis Wallace" and we'll trust the reader to figure out the derivation of Lew. JesseRafe (talk) 16:51, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, now I see your reasoning for the change. I assumed that the definition of hypocorism being used was in the strictest sense of an affectionate appellation given to him by someone else. So, yes, let's remove "Lew" from the article lead, keep the article title Lew Wallace, and I'll attempt to find my source for where he began styling himself as Lew Wallace and add that to the article (the more I think about it, I'm certain it was in the 1850s). The military infobox has a spot for nicknames, so would it be appropriate to put "Lew" there? I'm inclined not to as it's not truly a nickname. Thanks for clarifying your position on this. Spacini (talk) 17:15, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I removed the "Lew" in the lede, but didn't see a nickname field in the infobox, maybe that was a null parameter previously removed, your call if you think it should go there. I don't feel strongly, leaning to the thinking that type of thing should be for bestowed sobriquets and the like. JesseRafe (talk) 18:18, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

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Lew Wallace's letter to Mrs. W. H. L. Wallace
Under “Shiloh Controversy”:

“After W. H. L. Wallace's widow gave Grant a letter that Lew Wallace had written to her the day before the battle (the one indicating his plans to use the Shunpike road to pass between Shiloh and his position west of Crump's Landing), Grant changed his mind.”

Has anyone ever answered why a division commander, while a major battle was imminent, would write the wife of another division commander a letter at all, let alone one discussing impending logistical strategy? This seems to me one of the oddest events of the war. And why did the widow of General W. H. L. Wallace wait so long before divulging its contents to General Grant if she had presumably been aware of the controversy?HistoryBuff14 (talk) 16:20, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

 * “The day before the battle, Wallace wrote a letter to a fellow officer, W. H. L. Wallace, recommending this route [Shunpike Road] to reinforce the 3rd Division.[57] “

 * Having initially missed the above quote from the article under “Shiloh,” upon reading it I have come to the obvious conclusion that the referenced letter was written By Lew Wallace to W. H. L. Wallace and not to the latter's wife which, as I noted above, would have seemed bizarre, and that in the quotation I quoted in my original post the passage: “After W. H. L. Wallace's widow gave Grant a letter that Lew Wallace had written to her…” the word “husband” was simply inadvertently omitted. I intend to change the article presently as I find it difficult to believe anyone would object.

 * As to why Mrs. W. H. L Wallace waited so long to bring the letter to the attention of Grant, having been given her late husband’s effects shortly after he had been killed at Shiloh, she might have not have read the letter attentively at the time and much later, having heard of the controversy concerning Lew Wallace’s actions at Shiloh, read the letter more thoroughly and realized its significance.HistoryBuff14 (talk) 16:53, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Factual Errors
The section on Billy Bonney is mostly just the plot of Young Guns II, which is fiction. Two major points, among several, Bonney wrote to Wallace to offer testimony in exchange for his indictments being annulled, meaning, importantly, that Bonney initiated contact. Wallace said he had the power to exempt Bonney from prosecution if he testified, and that was the agreement, not a pardon as Wallace claimed 20 years later (a pardon requires finding of guilt; Bonney had not yet been tried). Garrett was elected sheriff (likely with the help of the Santa Fe Ring); he was NOT HIRED by Wallace and ranchers. 71.178.172.16 (talk) 18:35, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Unnecessary/Irrelevant Information
The paragraph re Gov. Richardson's decision not to pardon Billy the Kid in 2010 is irrelevant to the subject of Lew Wallace. BiographyHound (talk) 11:46, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Steve Wariner

Identify thirves
Nothing I saw n read was right bout real steve 2601:588:C001:12F0:7CB9:69AA:A5AC:D221 (talk) 05:12, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Suggested Edit to "Personal Life" Section in Steve Wariner Article
Hello Fellow Editors,

This is my first talk page post, so I hope this is more or less how you do it, and I look forward to constructive feedback.

In the "Personal Life" section of the Steve Wariner article the existing text reads that Wariner fathered his first son "although the two were not married at the time."

I propose the deletion of these approx. 47 characters for the following reasons:

"Editors must take particular care when adding information about living persons to any Wikipedia page. Such material requires a high degree of sensitivity..." and, "[BLPs] must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives; the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment."
 * 1) Relevance: The marital (or extramarital) status is emphasized in a way that doesn't contribute to our understanding of Wariner's public life or career. In fact, the section reads just as informatively without it by offering a clear chronology of his children's births and his marriage.
 * 2) Neutral Point of View (NPOV): The redundant/emphatic inclusion of this statement, especially by using the word "although," can imply a value judgment in many cultures and contexts.
 * 3) Privacy of Living Person: Overall, this phrase seems unnecessarily invasive. The "Biographies of Living Persons" (BLP) policy states:

Thanks in advance for talking about these 47 characters with me.

Best regards,

min

Minerviades (talk) 10:13, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

 * Part 2 of this question might concern deletion of this thread as well. Toward the top of this talk page there is a reminder: "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous."
 * I wouldn't think this issue is at the level of libel, and it seems to be sourced (?), but should we also remove this thread after resolving this question in the spirit of privacy? Anyone familiar with the norms and rules? Thanks!
 * -min | Minerviades (talk) 00:37, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wereo

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. [[smoddy ]] 16:53, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Wereo
Slang dictdef. --Ryan Delaney talk 21:15, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Non-encyclopedic, among other problems. – Friejose 21:55, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Agreed! (Unsigned edit by 207.251.232.173)

The term is used tens of thousands of times on usenet. It is worth including. (Unsigned edit by 68.222.33.165)

It's a word coined by a man trying to illegally sell a pirated music bootleg. The reason it is so common on usenet is that he spams prolifically trying to sell copies of his tapes. At best this is a Vanity Page, at worst it's an advert for illegal goods. Either way, delete. (Unsigned edit by 194.79.243.65)

I can't recall the man trying to sell the recordings of the "wereo." He just proclaims that he has them. The above message is an example of the types that would have it deleted for no good reason. (Unsigned edit by 68.222.33.165)

 * Delete'' ' per nominator. Tonywalton [[Image:Pentacle_1.svg|15px]] | Talk 14:26, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * ' Nobody proposing keeping this cruft appears to have any interest in improving the article beyond merely keeping it in its current neologistic, unencyclopaedic form. I'm changing my vote to Strong Delete and am wondering whether an assertion that it's been "referenced" on Usenet rather a lot of times really is an assertion of notability, per 80.229.30.88. Tonywalton [[Image:Pentacle_1.svg|15px]] | Talk 22:49, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment 205.188.116.72 (not the IP of the original author) keeps blanking this page. Tonywalton [[Image:Pentacle_1.svg|15px]] | Talk 19:19, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

If the text of the entry is the problem, please someone edit that text. I am no expert on encyclopedic authoring. The most important facts are these: "The Wereo" is referenced over 23,800 times on usenet. "The Wereo" is not just a slang term but is itself an actual movement on usenet by several hundred people. "The Wereo" is more popular than many subjects that have listings on Wikipedia. Squidhammer ''(Unsigned edit by User:209.205.191.147')'

This is blatantly incorrect. Those "several hundred people" are one prolific troll and a small group of hangers-on who follow him around. A simple google search will verify that. This same troll like to use the word "awl" instead of "all" (along with many other such baby-talk spellings). Do you therefore suggest "awl" deserves a wiki page just because one man has used it 100,000 times in usenet posts? Ludicrous. ''(Unsigned edit by User:80.229.30.88')'
 * Awl does have a WP page. The Cockney rhyming slang usage seems rather apposite. Tonywalton [[Image:Pentacle_1.svg|15px]] | Talk

Comment once again blanked by 205.188.116.72 Tonywalton | Talk 22:41, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.

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HMCS Ville de Quebec

Several Canadian naval units have been named HMCS Ville de Quebec (meaning "Quebec City" in English).

 * HMCS Ville de Quebec (K242) (I) was a Flower-class corvette that served in the Royal Canadian Navy during the Second World War.
 * HMCS Ville de Québec (FFH 332) (II) is a Halifax-class frigate serving the Canadian Forces from 1993 to present.

Battle honours

 * Atlantic, 1942–1944.
 * Gulf of St. Lawrence, 1942.
 * Mediterranean, 1943.
 * English Channel, 1944–1945.

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HMCS Winnipeg

Several Canadian naval units have been named HMCS Winnipeg.

 * HMCS Winnipeg (J337) (I) was an Algerine-class minesweeper that served in the Royal Canadian Navy. HMCS Winnipeg served from its commission in March 1943 to November 1946.
 * HMCS Winnipeg (FFH 338) (II) is a Halifax-class frigate serving in the Canadian Forces Maritime Command since 1996.

Battle honours

 * Atlantic, 1943–45
 * Arabian Sea

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Phoenix-RTOS

Phoenix-RTOS is a real-time operating system designed for Internet of Things appliances. The main goal of the system is to facilitate the creation of "Software Defined Solutions".

History
Phoenix-RTOS is the successor to the Phoenix operating system, developed from 1999 to 2001 by Pawel Pisarczyk at the Department of Electronics and Information Technology at Warsaw University of Technology. Phoenix was originally implemented for IA-32 microprocessors and was adapted to the ARM7TDMI processor in 2003, and the PowerPC in 2004. The system is available under the GPL license.

Phoenix-RTOS 2.0
The decision to abandon the development of Phoenix and write the Phoenix-RTOS from scratch was taken by its creator in 2004. In 2010, the Phoenix Systems company was established, aiming to commercialize the system.

Phoenix-RTOS 2.0 is based on a monolithic kernel. Initially versions for the IA-32 processor and configurable eSi-RISC were developed. In cooperation with NXP Semiconductors, Phoenix-RTOS 2.0 was also adapted to the Vybrid (ARM Cortex-A5) platform. This version is equipped with PRIME (Phoenix-PRIME) and the G3-PLC (Phoenix-G3) protocol support, used in Smart Grid networks.

Phoenix-RTOS runs applications designed and written for the Unix operating system.

Phoenix-RTOS 3.0
Phoenix-RTOS version 3.0 is based on a microkernel. It is geared towards measuring devices with low power consumption. The main problem with the first implementation was low kernel modularity and difficulties with the management process of software development (device drivers, file system drivers). It is an open source operating system (on BSD license), available on GitHub.

HaaS modules
The Phoenix-RTOS can be equipped with HaaS (Hardware as a Software) modules that allow the implementation of rich devices functionality, e.g. modems. Existing HaaS modules include:

 * 1) Phoenix-PRIME - software implementation of PRIME PLC standard certified in 2014.
 * 2) Phoenix-G3 - a software implementation of the G3-PLC standard.

Implementations
In 2016, Energa-Operator (based in Poland) installed 6.6k Data Concentrator Units with balancing meter functionality in its network, based on the Phoenix-RTOS. License agreements to use the system in the mass production of smart meters have been signed.

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User:JarΙaxleΑrtemis

Created to prevent impersonation. The capital Α is actually an alpha, and the first Ι is actually an iota. If you haven't yet noticed, I have a lot of free time on my hands.

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User talk:JarΙaxleΑrtemis

Created to prevent impersonation. The capital Α is actually an alpha, and the second Ι is actually an iota. If you haven't yet noticed, I have a lot of free time on my hands.

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Torrance Zellner

Torrance A. Zellner (born January 6, 1970, in Baltimore, Maryland) is an American track and field athlete who won bronze medals in the 400 meter hurdles at the 1991 and 1999 Pan American Games. At the 1999 Pan American Games he also won a bronze medal in 4x400 m relay. He finished eighth at the 1999 World Championships in Seville.

His personal best time was 48.18 seconds, achieved in August 1996 in Zürich.

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Vrapce

Vrapce may refer to:

 * Vrapce, Medveđa, town in the municipality of Medveđa, Serbia
 * Vrapče (disambiguation), several settlements in Bosnia, Croatia and Serbia

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Robert S. McMillan (architect)

Robert Sensman McMillan (April 4, 1916 - March 14, 2001 ) was an architect who was one of the founders of The Architects Collaborative. He was a part of TAC its founding date in 1945 until he left in 1963. Following his departure from TAC, he started his own firm Robert S. McMillan Associates, which concentrated mainly on projects in Africa and south-west Asia. McMillan was educated at Yale University School of Architecture.

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Talk:Fred Williamson

Origin of nickname
There are two different versions given of the origin of Williamson's nickname, The Hammer. One says that it was given to him (by his coach? teammates?) for "hammering" other players. The other says that he gave himself the nickname, "because he used his forearm to deliver karate-style blows to the heads of opposing receivers." While the reason is similar, the occasion is different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.191.166.202 (talk) 00:27, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

how is he an architect?
inquiring minds want to know — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vid (talk • contribs) 23:20, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Did he also decide that he didn't want to be a ballerina, and a pirate at the same time? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.174.238.116 (talk) 14:48, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Name
Is there something wrong with his purported full name (Frederick Robert Williamson) that I missed? It's in several RS yet IP keep removing it with no explanation. Nohomersryan (talk) 17:36, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:John Wooden

Name?
The article frequently refers to John Wooden yet the photo caption states "Johnathan Wooden" (which is spelled wrong; most "Jon"s are really "Jonathan" - one H only, not two). - So which is it? --JohnDBuell 13:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Just John. Amerindianarts 00:06, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Wooden Center at UCLA
I think it's significant because of the fact that John Wooden wanted a place where non NCAA athletes could work out and participate in sports, and this center exemplifies that. I'm not too sure on any details, and most of the specifics are irrelevant. Just a thought. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.107.86.254 (talk) 06:09, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Photograph of John Wooden in Legacy Section
If you take a close look of the photograph of John Wooden in the Legacy section of this article, you will see that the photograph is of Bill Walton and not John Wooden. Also, Walton's face is superimposed onto the photograph. The picture constitutes vandalism and should be removed. I'm surprised that nobody noticed this shenanigans. Somebody replaced the image of Wooden, Jabbar, and Walton with the goofy image of Walton. Anthony22 00:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

In his book, "Wooden on Leadership" on page 181 he said he was present for the retiring of numbers 32 and 33 so it's possible that this picture exists, but unlikely that he showed emotion or glorified the accomplishment the way the picture suggests. As he wrote in his book, "I strongly objected and joined the ceremony at Pauley Pavilion only as a courtesy to my former players. It would have been an insult to them to do otherwise.  But, I was against it.  They both understood why I felt the way I did, in part because they were consummate team players." Wooden felt no one should own the number, and that giving them the numbers failed to recognize the work of excellent players who wore those numbers before Walton and Alcindor/Jabbar. So seeing the picture was a bit of a surprise. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, but Anthony22's suggestion that the picture was altered is definitely plausible. Cputrdoc 03:56, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

did you no john wooden coached 5 diffrent college teams Akron,Miami,Texas a & m, the university of Miami and Purdue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.101.16.166 (talk) 23:14, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Last coaching outing
On June 28, 1987, John Wooden and Dean Smith coached against each other in an exhibition basketball game featuring alumni from both schools. Group29 (talk) 17:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Head Coaching Record
There is mistake in the head coaching record for 1965-1966. In that year, UCLA wasn't ranked in the top 20 in the polls and didn't even get into the NCAA or NIT tournaments. They could not have gone 29-1. Will the person who entered the head coaching record please correct the mistake. Anthony22 (talk) 01:45, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Another Quote: Attribution?

 * "Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out."

Rather pithy guy. Anyone know of a citation? Where and when was this said? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JimD (talk • contribs) 04:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Page 75 of They Call Me Coach by John Wooden (paperback, 2003): "Things turn out best for those who make the best of the way things turn out." Context was the Minnesota v. UCLA job offers. It's an important quote. Paperback: 272 pages Publisher: McGraw-Hill; 1 edition (September 26, 2003) ISBN-10: 0071424911 ISBN-13: 978-0071424912 WoodenPyramid (talk) 04:46, 15 March 2008 (UTC)WoodenPyramid

Is he still alive? 216.114.210.66 (talk) 15:34, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Yes. Very much, very sharp. John Wooden at Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum's Court of Honor induction ceremony, speaks about basketball, life and death. Ucla90024 (talk) 16:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

 * oh...don't want this under this section, but not sure how to add without a login. Wikipedia, as you know, is all bullshit but pretends not to be bullshit for the 24 hours before and after a big news story...  ...any way, that Rick Reilly line about 35K a year and never asking for a raise: sounds pretty obscure and possibly invented.  The citations don't work.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.145.61.104 (talk) 07:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Golfing

 * Someone should mention about his golfing achievements -- hole in one and double eagles? Ucla90024 (talk) 19:50, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Date?
The article synopsis says "He is a member of the Basketball Hall of Fame as both a player (class of 1961)..." Seeing as he was born in 1910, that would make him 51 in 1961.. This doesn't seem right. Could someone clarify? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.158.20 (talk) 20:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Yes, it is correct, since the Basketball Hall of Fame was born in 1959 with the first class. The official site listed him incorrectly -- "John R. Wooden enshrined as a player in 1960" and "John R. Wooden, Enshrined 1961, Born: October 14, 1910, Martinsville, IN". UCLA use 1961. Ucla90024 (talk) 21:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Solid 99th b-day article in LA Times
I see its been used once already, but there's 99 very interesting facts now citeable to this LA Times article from Wednesday. --Bobak (talk) 07:04, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Wooden in grave condition

 * John Wooden Hospitalized in Grave Condition - A number of LA stations are reporting Wooden is in grave condition. moreno oso (talk) 00:17, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The stories indicate he was admitted to UCLA Medical Center on Sunday (May 30th). It is his "grave condition" that became public yesterday -- i.e., Thursday, June 3rd. The text on his page should be adjusted accordingly.  Mohansen11 (talk) 08:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

 * John Wooden Dead at 99 -- The Washington Post is reporting him dead, albeit in the headline for a photo retrospective of his life --Ray Radlein (talk) 01:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a reflective piece. Try watching the L.A. news feeds.moreno oso (talk) 01:30, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's only the headlines, so far. From what I gather, The Seattle Times has already said The Washington Post may have jumped the gun here. –MuZemike 01:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Here's a link to the Seattle Times report contradicting (in the lede sentence!) the Washington Post headline --Ray Radlein (talk) 01:37, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Let's be clear. Our lede is correct. The Washington Post got it wrong. moreno oso (talk) 01:40, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's sad that his article will get many copyedits when his death does take place. Dennis Hopper is a case in point. moreno oso (talk) 01:58, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Good old Bill Walton just tipped everybody what hospital Wooden is at (as if that was big secret). Still, seeing Walton choke up about Coach, brought a tear. moreno oso (talk) 04:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Alleged death
Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2010/06/03/GA2010060304369.html reports that John Wooden has died. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.75.188.240 (talk) 01:38, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Nobody else has confirmed it (he lives in Los Angeles). According to the above section, they may have been premature on reporting it. He is definitely in critical condition, however. –MuZemike 01:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Roger that. The trucks are parked outside and they're interviewing each other. Hopefully he will live to be a 100. moreno oso (talk) 01:46, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah I guess the Post retracted the article anyway (http://www.purdueexponent.org/index.php/module/Section/section_id/17?module=article&story_id=21516). That's probably why they have the slideshow. I guess they were hoping to be the first by just putting it out there.  Terrible day for him to die on if he does die today though. He'd miss out on the finals. Arestyr (talk) 01:53, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Coach says "Be quick, but don't hurry," good advice for those authors of an encyclopedia who are sometimes tempted to convert it to a news feed...Steveozone (talk) 02:01, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Washington Post has now posted a correction saying that their headline was wrong. Wooden is hospitalized, but still alive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.114.204.2 (talk) 02:08, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Coach Wooden is now officially dead: *http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/news/story?id=5253601 Viridiscalculus (talk) 02:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request
The part in his legacy about other coaches is confusing. It's difficult to tell if it means no other coach has more than one undefeated season or more than one national championship. Perhaps this can be reworded.

According to this article,, Wooden is "spent a peaceful night at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center and is resting comfortably." Perhaps we should remove 'in grave condition", and replace it with something like : "On May 26, 2010, Wooden was hospitalized due to dehydration", or something else, as the Medical Centre has not confirmed that he is in "grave condition". Thanks. Connormah (talk | contribs) 21:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   22:50, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

ESPN's front page now says "Wooden Dead At 99". and here is the article: is this enough confirmation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.138.214.5 (talk) 02:20, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Added. Tb hotch Ta lk C.  02:36, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, looks like this is the real deal. Everyone is reporting it, now. Thank you, –MuZemike 02:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Can we un-semi-protect it now that his death has been confirmed? There's no reason to semi unless there's lots of vandalism, which wasn't the case even before protection. Also, RIP... 68.202.230.228 (talk) 02:41, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You should see yesterday, when The Washington Post wrote that he died (yesterday). Vandalism was excessive. Tb hotch Ta lk C.  02:43, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree it should be kept semi-protected. The vandalism yesterday was terrible. Let's some semi-pros take care of it as it is a GA candidate. moreno oso (talk) 02:45, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep the semi because people will still vandalize the article even after he died.-- Giants 27  ( Contribs  |  WP:CFL ) 02:46, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

it's a shame but you're probably right. the ESPN comments are surprisingly offensive. I guess we unwashed masses would screw up the WP article too :-( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.138.214.5 (talk) 03:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Even for the most respected people a good part of the world has known (like Wooden I'm sure), there is always people flocking to vandalize and defame the person after death. It has happened so many times that it has become common practice to leave the article protected for a while after his death so all the fervor calms down a bit before we unprotect (unless your name is Michael Jackson, then forget it). –MuZemike 03:04, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Indeed, I'm afraid the semi-protection is necessary. It was only a few hours ago I dropped the full protection. It's a shame, but those who are unable to edit it should consider offering suggestions for improvement here. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   03:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. You should see how Dennis Hopper's article was vandalized after he died. Everyone flocks here and wants to put their mark on the article. Best to leave the semi-pros do the editting. They'll get Wooden to GA. moreno oso (talk) 03:16, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

New Picture?
Can we get a better picture for Coach Wooden? Maybe one of him in his prime coaching days? Leahcim506 (talk) 03:51, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If you get one (that is not copyrighted), yes. Tb hotch Ta lk C.  04:02, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Passive
It currently states that he "was" a member of the hall of fame (I take it someone changed all of the present to past tense). He is still a member of the hall of fame. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lancebaa (talk • contribs) 07:32, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It changed when he died. While Wooden still "is" a member, WP:MOS requires verbs to be passive upon death. moreno oso (talk) 15:05, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Does it really? I know most verbs would change to passive, but if people hold a record, would it say "John Wooden held the record for..." even if he still holds the record? If that's actually the policy, I disagree with it, but I guess I can't complain about this article in particular. Lancebaa (talk) 04:01, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If you look at Wilt Chamberlain's page, there are numerous present tense verbs about records that he holds. How is that any different than being a member of the hall of fame? Lancebaa (talk) 04:04, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Other Publications
These titles should be added under his name as publications he's authored

Coach Wooden's Pyramid of Success: Building Blocks For a Better Life ISBN: 978-0830737185

Coach Wooden's Pyramid of Success Playbook ISBN: 978-0830737932

Coach Wooden One-on-One ISBN: 978-0830732913 BillyG4 (talk) 08:14, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello
Hello, fellow Wikipedians. I am glad that I was able to edit this article RIGHT AFTER HE DIED, because I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT, either because I wasn't at home when I heard that someone died, or I heard the news too late, and other people have edited it. So, this was the first time I've edited an article about a person shortly after he died. I put all the verbs in the paragraph talking about how he mourned his wife since her death, into the past tense. And I also put all the verbs in the paragraph following that one into the past tense also. YouTubeaholic2009 (talk) 14:32, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

GA nomination
Unfortunately, due to the increased edits to the article after John Wooden's recent death, this article no longer meets Criterion #5 (stability). Therefore, I am removing the article's nomination from the WP:GAN page. I won't mark it in article history as a 'fail', and I hope this can be renominated once the article stabilizes in a month or two. But it's best at this time not to take any chances.

When I look at the article, it looks reasonably good, although I didn't look at the prose in too much detail. The first issue I see is that the lead is far too short and doesn't provide an accurate summary of the article per WP:LEAD. So that needs to be expanded. Secondly, the two sections 'Head coaching record' and 'Wooden championships' are just tables and contain no introductory text. I think almanac-like information isn't necessarily bad, but tables like this should not be in the middle of the article, as they are now. They should preferably be placed near the end, near where the 'publications' section is now.

Also, the name of the article (or in this case, parts of the name) really shouldn't be used in subsection headers, so subsection header names like 'Wooden championships' and 'Following Wooden' should be renamed. Simply, 'Championships' would suffice. 'Following Wooden' might be better merged into the 'Legacy' section?

In the 'Legacy' section, there's no citations on the "John Wooden Day" or "Greatest Coach of All Time" attributions.

Regarding the "Wooden's maxims" list near the end, why are there two citations on the very last bullet item and none on the other two. If they're citing a complete list, they should be placed right after the colon introducing the list, not on the last list item.

Anyway, I hope these comments help in the interim. Look forward to seeing this article at WP:GAN in July or August! WTF? (talk) 17:41, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Medal of Freedom actually presented by President Jimmy Carter
The article seems to have an error, saying George W. Bush was the president who presented Wooden with the Medal of Freedom; however, in a photo of the actual certificate that is prominent on the official Coach Wooden website, it is Jimmy Carter's signature on the document. I don't know how to edit the wiki, but perhaps someone knowledgeable can make this small change for accuracy. 67.100.126.18 (talk) 21:49, 5 June 2010 (UTC) KA

George W. Bush presented Wooden the Medal of Freedom award. There is a photo of the presentation in Coach Wooden One-on-One. So the article is correct and does not need to be changed. steveedits

Sam Gilbert
There is a pretty serious issue with this wikipedia article in my opinion. There is absolutely no mention whatsoever of Sam Gilbert; why is that? That would be like the Bob Knight article not mentioning the chair incident. Is this a honest oversight?

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Gilbert_(American_Businessman) http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/08/sports/la-sp-0609-wooden-gilbert-20100609 http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1153 http://www.slate.com/id/2155116 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.59.77.102 (talk) 01:44, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

No need to. What purpose? No comparison with Knight. He threw chair before TV. No such thing with Sam Gilbert! Bband11th (talk) 04:45, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Regardless of how it compares with Knight, what is the reason for excluding criticism of Wooden with respect to Gilbert? Unless you're suggesting Wooden is inherently above criticism, I'm not sure I understand the rationale of "it's not needed." Mwelch (talk) 21:09, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Recall that Wikipedia is supposed to reflect the information on a subject that is found in reliable secondary sources. Then, try thumbing through the articles turned up in this search:

 * This, of course, includes only those source that happen to be in the Google News Archive. There are plenty of others that aren't, such as the HBO documentary about the UCLA basketball dynasty, that also cover this subject.  Information in books, such as The Wizard of Westwood biography or the 1978 biography of Bill Walton, which has on the record quotes from Walton about it.  Coverage of Wooden's death on ESPN.com isn't included in the Google search, but it also goes into Gilbert. Etc., etc.

 * The bottom line is that there is plenty of reliable, secondary source information on this subject, and again, what secondary sources cover is what Wikipedia is supposed to reflect. The information added to this article properly cites such sources. The information also fairly includes Wooden's defense of himself with regard to criticism of him on the issue.  So I'm adding it back (this time, including ten different sources) until there's a better reason than personal opinion that "it's not needed" is offered for excluding it.  Mwelch (talk) 23:03, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Sounds good. I think that you've more than made your case and that Bband11th must make a much stronger case for removing well-sourced, interesting, and balanced material. ElKevbo (talk) 14:42, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

 * 2/7 of his UCLA career is on criticism. There were no investigation and NCAA finding of wrong doing. The wrong doing was doing Larry Brown's year and the final four records vacated. That's fair play in the game of life? Bband11th (talk) 06:32, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

 * I would have to agree it was just a drop in a big pond! 64.183.42.63 (talk) 01:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure that the 2/7 figure is entirely accurate, given that information about his UCLA career is actually spread across three sections: the section labeled UCLA, along "Head Coaching Record" and "Wooden Championships".  But even if looking at only pure prose, the reason that ratio comes about is because there is virtually no real detail provided in the remaining 5/7.  It basically sums a 27 year career in 5 paragraphs.  Would not a better way to improve the ratio be to expand that part with similarly sourced information?  The criticism part is one paragraph to explain what the criticism is and another to present his defense of himself.  I don't know how to make it much less than that, short of perhaps just leaving the paragraph stating what the criticism is and then removing the paragraph containing his response.  Then the ratio would only be 1/6, would that really be more fair to him?  Personally, I wouldn't think so.

 * Also, if you feel it important to note that there no NCAA investigation was ever conducted during Wooden's tenure (and personally, I'm not sure that that fact is all that helpful to him, since Gilbert's "generosity" was so widely known, it raises the question of why the NCAA never investigated; and there are plenty of people who would argue that it was because UCLA and Wooden reaped the benefits of preferential treatment by the NCAA not wanting to tarnish its celebrated jewel), I don't think I or anyone else would object to your editing things to include that fact. Editing the information for better balance, clarity, etc. is always fine.  It's especially fine with something that I wrote, since I am by no means a professional writer, and I'm sure there are plenty of talented writers who can produce from that same information a finished product of superior quality to what I have authored.  But you haven't sought to edit it to improve it; you sought to delete it altogether, with no justification provided for deleting it. It is that to which I offer objection. Mwelch (talk) 07:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

 * With regard to the issue of the length of the UCLA career section, I've now expanded it a bit using information from a column written by Alex Wolff of Sports Illustrated. The section could still certainly use more though, particularly on the early 50's years. Mwelch (talk) 00:27, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

 * From the Los Angeles Times, For the record: "John Wooden obituary: The obituary on John Wooden that ran in Section A on June 5 and in a commemorative section June 13 included information attributed to former UCLA basketball player Andy Hill regarding controversial booster Sam Gilbert. The article reported that Hill had told The Times that former team trainer Elvin "Ducky" Drake was something of a watchdog for the team, and that Drake had apparently missed what was going on with Gilbert. Hill says that he did not discuss that with the reporter and that Drake would not have been in a position to do anything to detect Gilbert's involvement or stop Gilbert from any inappropriate action." Dated July 2, 2010. Bband11th (talk) 02:49, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have an online link to that news report? moreno oso (talk) 02:57, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The whole thing (the original article and the follow-up report about Hill's later statement) is here:

 * So a summary of the whole thing would be that in the original obit, the Times reported that former player Andy Hill said that he believed that Wooden was relying on Drake to be on the lookout for things like the Gilbert situation. Hill reportedly also said that Wooden was "good at knowing what he didn't want to know".  Then, in the follow-up "On the Record" piece, Hill responds to that original report by denying that he ever even said the part about Drake being the one who was supposed to be on the lookout. Hill goes on to state flatly that Drake was never in a position that he could have done anything about Gilbert.  Mwelch (talk) 18:21, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Hill's Letter to Chris Dufresne of the Los Angeles Times: "Chris: I am a former UCLA basketball player and a lifetime subscriber to the L.A. Times. Your column this morning made me sick to my stomach. While our city grieves the loss of the greatest coach of all time, you dust off this rumor-filled piece of innuendo-filled garbage and call it journalism. Do you call relying on 29-year-old articles reporting? Why didn't you reach out and do some original research? ... If you want to actually know what happened, why don't you try finding out for yourself? It is truly astounding to me that the man in charge of UCLA athletics, J.D. Morgan, who told Coach that he would "handle" Sam Gilbert, is never mentioned in any story anywhere...not once. If you had contacted me, or lots of others who could have led you to me, we would have had that discussion, maybe even leading to some original information and some ultimate truths, which, after all, is what journalism is really about. What a concept! If I wanted a rehash of old columns from your own paper, I can just use Google. Which, by the way, might be a good tool for you to use in helping to locate information and key sources for an original story about Sam Gilbert. Andy Hill" Bband11th (talk) 19:40, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

 * So is your argument that if a former UCLA basketball player and self-appointed arbiter of journalism, doesn't approve of what an investigative article says about the coach he loves dearly, but doesn't offer any information which refutes the investigation's findings, then that is sufficient to disqualify the article as a WP:RS? And even if that argument were acceptable, which it obviously is not, the fact is that the Gilbert part is supported by nine other sources besides just that one L.A. Times investigation.

 * And if the fact that the Gilbert thing happened 35 years ago is grounds to delete it from the article (as you suggested in your most recent deletion of it), then that would be grounds to delete darned near the entire article. There is little in the article that is not at least a 35-year old story. And that's because this is Wikipedia, not Wikinews.

 * The fact that the otherwise-revered George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were a slave-owners is a 200-year old story. Shall we censor their articles as well, to ensure no mention is made of that unfortunate fact?  Mwelch (talk) 07:11, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Just a brief reminder to my fellow editors that this article is not a hagiography. It's ok to include well-sourced criticism. Although I'm sure that Wooden was a wonderful man he was not a saint and that's ok, too. ElKevbo (talk) 02:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Mamim
John Wooden always gets credit for the maxim "failing to prepare is preparing to fail". I hear all his old players say it. Benjamin Franklin said it 200 years before him. Hugh M. Masterson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.105.157.30 (talk) 14:07, 2 February 2011 (UTC) References 89-92 are not displaying in correct position Tomm007007 (talk) 08:18, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Graduation Year
Playing career is listed as 1929–33, but the text says he graduated from Purdue in 1932. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LowRise (talk • contribs) 21:54, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Denny Crum material
Undid revision 461056363 by ElKevbo (talk)Do not remove good information solely because it is poorly presented; instead, improve the presentation by rewriting the passage.

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John Wooden Mentored Denny Crum starting in 1956-57 if it wasnt for Wooden he wouldnt of went to Louisville coached there 30 years and won 675 games and 2 NCAA Championships. You need to follow edit rule and not delete stuff rewrite it. There needs to be something about Denny Crum on his page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.2.252.159 (talk) 04:31, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

 * Thanks for starting the discussion here! My objection to the material is that it simply doesn't belong in this particular article. If Crum does not already have an article then it sounds like one should be created because this material belongs there.
 * Incidentally and as mentioned on my Talk page, WP:BRD is the community norm most applicable here. You made an edit, someone objected, and now we discuss it.  That is how we work best in this sprawling collaborative project.  ElKevbo (talk) 04:36, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

It sounds like you dont know much about Wooden ,Crum or NCAA basketball if you dont think it belongs there. There needs to be stuff about coaches and former players he mentored that went on to be good head coaches it fit right in with the time line it was on. Denny Crum was a player for him in 1956-58, he was freshman coach for Wooden from 1958 to 1963 also the head recruiter for Wooden From 1968 to 71. Players he rucruited beat him in the 1972 and 1975 Final Fours on there way the Championship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.2.252.159 (talk) 05:05, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD says you need to edit it Do not remove good information solely because it is poorly presented; instead, improve the presentation by rewriting the passage. NOT TO REVERT IT JUST CAUSE (awkward digression; doesn't really fit within the narrative flow)FIX IT like WP:BRD says to we shouldn't have to come straight to TALK like you 2 made me.72.2.252.159 (talk) 05:48, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I did not revert it "just cause." The material doesn't belong in this article, particularly as it was written when you added it.  It's already in the Crum article and that is where it belongs.  A brief mention in this article is appropriate but nothing more as this article is about Wooden and not about Crum.
 * I get that you disagree and that's okay. But we don't resolve disagreements by continuing to revert one another, we do so with discussion.  And expecting others to edit your proposed addition when they oppose the inclusion of the content completely. ElKevbo (talk) 06:12, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

 * I would be OK with a brief mention about Crum, but most of the material you're trying to add is not directly relevant to Wooden, and makes the article difficult to read. I don't think there's anything salvageable from the exact text you added (which you seem to have copied from another Wikipedia article). We would need to come up with something from scratch, so that it actually fits into the text we have. Zagal e jo^^^ 07:07, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

ElKevbo, you didn't say "doesn't belong in this article" at 1st. You said you agreed with the other guy which said "awkward digression; doesn't really fit within the narrative flow". After he said that. I did change it some. It did and does belong there and was just a "brief mention in this article." It belongs because its insane not to mention Denny Crum in John Wooden's Time at UCLA at all. After he coached and mentored him. Helping him become the head coach he was. He lead the Louisville Cardinals to 6 final fours (1972,1975, 1980, 1982, 1983, and 1986) and 2 NCAA Championships (1980 and 1986) using the high-post offense, one similar to that of John Wooden he learn in his years at UCLA. 72.2.252.159 (talk) 07:55, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Zagalejo. A brief mention of Crum (and any other head coaches in Wooden's "coaching tree") belong in the article. The level of detail specifically about Crum doesn't belong in the Wooden article. — X96lee15 (talk) 15:36, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll throw in my support for Zagalejo and Elkevbo's comments too. A brief mention (but no more) of Crum is acceptable in this article, and probably belongs in the John_Wooden section if it is added. — Myasuda (talk) 02:02, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Religion: Was a very strong christan and beleiver of jesus christ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.99.160.17 (talk) 21:11, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

it might be silly to compare a men's coach with a women's coach
The opening paragraph of the article compares John Wooden with Geno Auriemma, who coaches the UConn Women's basketball team. I positively do not understand the logic of comparing a men's coach with a women's coach. A men's record has absolutely nothing to do with a women's record. I personally feel that the comparison with Auriemma should be deleted from the article, because it positively has nothing to do with Wooden. I will not delete the information on Auriemma on my own, because I don't want to be accused of vandalism.

Men and women are different; a men's basketball team should in no way be compared with a women's team. Also, men have coached a woman's team, but a woman has never coached a men's team.

Also, Wooden's time period is far removed from Auriemma's time period. To use an analogy, it is unfair to compare Babe Ruth's baseball records with the records of the scandal plagued steroid stars of today

You cannot compare a tiger with a mouse.

Anthony22 (talk) 00:56, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

"Be quick, but don't hurry."
The cited reference makes no mention of John Wooden making this statement.

I believe this actually comes from Earl Monroe, as "Just be patient. Let the game come to you. Don't rush. Be quick, but don't hurry." ref: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/e/earlmonroe202360.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.39.57.140 (talk) 15:05, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

It's a variant of the Latin proverb "Festina Lente", that roughly means "Hurry (but) Slowly".

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Legacy section needs major editing
The Legacy Section compares John Wooden's achievements at UCLA with the records of lady coaches in college basketball. This comparison is silly and ridiculous. You positively cannot compare the coaching achievements in men's and women's basketball. In sports, men can be compared with men, but men cannot and should not be compared with women. If you insist on comparing Wooden's accomplishments with the distaff side, then it is imperative that you compare UCLA's basketball records with the ladies who play college basketball. Comparing men's college basketball with women's college basketball is like comparing little league baseball with the major leagues.

To use an analogy, nobody ever compared Jesse Owens with Wilma Rudolph. You cannot compare dissimilar entities.

The Legacy Section should not make any references or comparisons to women's college basketball.

Anthony22 (talk) 22:20, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

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It's no secret that John Wooden and Bob Knight didn't like each other. Knight was highly critical of UCLA's recruiting tactics.

Less than an hour ago, I posted a source from a website in which John Wooden says that he dislikes Bob Knight. Fifteen minutes later, the article was deleted from the website. Somebody doesn't want this information about John Wooden to go viral.Anthony22 (talk) 18:18, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

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Bob Moses (activist)

Robert Parris Moses (January 23, 1935 – July 25, 2021) was an American educator and civil rights activist known for his work as a leader of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) on voter education and registration in Mississippi during the Civil Rights Movement, and his co-founding of the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party. As part of his work with the Council of Federated Organizations (COFO), a coalition of the Mississippi branches of the four major civil rights organizations (SNCC, CORE, NAACP, SCLC), he was the main organizer for the Freedom Summer Project.

Born and raised in Harlem, he was a graduate of Hamilton College and later earned a Master's degree in philosophy at Harvard University. He spent the 1960s working in the civil rights and anti-war movements, until he was drafted in 1966 and left the country, spending much of the following decade in Tanzania, teaching and working with the Ministry of Education.

After returning to the US, in 1982, Moses received a MacArthur Fellowship and began developing the Algebra Project. The math literacy program emphasizes teaching algebra skills to minority students based on broad-based community organizing and collaboration with parents, teachers, and students, to improve college and job readiness.

Early life
Robert Parris Moses was born January 23, 1935, in New York City. His parents, Gregory H. Moses, a janitor, and Louise (Parris) Moses, a homemaker, raised their three children in the public housing complex, Harlem River Houses, with frequent visits to the public library. He graduated from Stuyvesant High School in 1952 and received his B.A. from Hamilton College in 1956. At Hamilton he majored in philosophy and French and played basketball. In 1957, he earned an M.A. in philosophy at Harvard, and was working toward a PhD but his mother's death and father's hospitalization brought him back to New York City, and in 1958 began teaching math at the Horace Mann School in the Bronx of New York City. Also in 1958, he was private tutor to singer Frankie Lymon, of The Teenagers, and credited his experience visiting Black sections of numerous towns with the doo-wop group for his recognition of the emergence of a distinct urban Black culture scattered across the nation.

Civil rights movement
Moses described his civil rights activism starting in the spring of 1960, when he visited his uncle, Hampton Institute professor of architecture William Henry Moses Jr. and witnessed Hampton students marching from the college to Newport News, Virginia as part of the sit-in movement. Moses went on to becoming field secretary for the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC). Following the direction of Ella Baker, he began working in Mississippi, becoming director of the SNCC's Mississippi Project in 1961 and traveling to Pike County and Amite County, developing a network of grassroots activists to try to register black voters. Comprising a majority in both counties, despite many people leaving in the Great Migration in the first half of the century, they had been utterly closed out of the political process since 1890, by poll taxes, residency requirements, and subjective literacy tests. It was nearly impossible for blacks to register and vote. After decades of violence and repression under Jim Crow, by the 1960s, most blacks did not bother trying to register. In 1965, only one African American among 5500 in Amite County was registered to vote. Initiating and organizing voter registration drives as well as sit-ins and Freedom Schools, Moses pushed for the SNCC to engage in a "tactical nonviolence," a matter he discussed in an interview with Robert Penn Warren for the book Who Speaks for the Negro?.

Moses faced nearly relentless violence and official intimidation and was beaten and arrested in Amite County. He was the first African American to challenge white violence in the county, filing assault charges against his attacker. The all-white jury acquitted the man, and the judge told Moses he could not protect him, escorting him to the county line. Around Moses, others in the movement like Herbert Lee and witnesses like Louis Allen were murdered.

By 1964 Moses had become co-director of the Council of Federated Organizations (COFO), an umbrella organization for the major civil rights groups working in Mississippi (SNCC, CORE, NAACP, SCLC). A major leader with SNCC, he was the main organizer of COFO's Freedom Summer Project, which was intended to achieve widespread voter registration of blacks in Mississippi, and ultimately end racial disfranchisement. They planned education, organizing, and a simplified registration system to demonstrate African-American desire to vote. Moses was one of the calm leaders who kept the group focused.

On June 21, as many of the new volunteers were getting settled and trained in nonviolent resistance, three were murdered: James Chaney, a local African American, and his two Jewish co-leaders Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner, both from New York City. The remaining volunteers were frightened, and Moses gathered them together to discuss the risks they faced. He said that now that they had seen first-hand what could happen, they had every right to go home, and no one would blame them for leaving. This was not the first murder of activists in the South, but the Civil Rights Movement had attracted increasing notice from the national media. Many African-American volunteers were angered that publicity appeared to be based on two of the victims being white Northerners. Moses helped ease tensions. The volunteers struggled with the idea of nonviolence, of blacks and whites working together, and related issues. Moses's leadership was a major cohesive factor for a number of volunteers staying.

Moses became one of the influential black leaders of the civil rights struggle and had a vision of grassroots and community-based leadership. Although Moses' leadership style was different from Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s, King appreciated the contributions that Moses made to the movement, calling them inspiring.

Moses was instrumental in the organizing of the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party, a group that challenged the all-white regular Democratic Party delegates from the state at the party's 1964 convention. Because the Democratic Regulars had for decades excluded African Americans from the political process in Mississippi, the MFDP wanted their elected delegates seated at the convention instead of the all-white Democratic delegation. Their challenge received national media coverage and highlighted the civil rights struggle in the state. Lyndon Johnson and the Democratic leadership nonetheless prevented any of the MFDP delegation from voting in the convention, giving the official seats to the Jim Crow regulars. Moses and the rest of the SNCC activists were profoundly disillusioned by this decision. Moses was also disturbed by the machinations of liberal Democrats, whom he had invited into COFO, to centralize the Council's decision-making, an effort that seemed to undermine the grassroots participatory democracy of SNCC.

In late 1964, Moses resigned his role in COFO, saying later that his role had become "too strong, too central, so that people who did not need to, began to lean on me, to use me as a crutch", which ran contrary to his organizing style that focused on empowering others to take on leadership roles. He temporarily dropped his last name, instead using Parris, his middle name, and began participating in the effort to end the Vietnam War. Speaking at the April 17, 1965, demonstration at the Washington Monument, Moses drew a connection between the anti-war effort and the civil rights struggle. As he became increasingly involved with the anti-war movement, he took a leave from SNCC to avoid conflict with members who did not share his views. Following a trip to Africa in 1965, Moses developed a conviction in the necessity of autonomous Black struggle and by 1966 he ceased working with white activists, even former SNCC activists.

In 1966 Moses received a notice that he had been drafted, though he was five years too old for the age cutoff and suspected the intervention of government agents. He moved to Canada, then to Tanzania, where he and his wife Janet lived from 1969 to 1976 and had three of their four children. Moses worked as a math teacher as well as for the Ministry of Education.

Algebra Project
After President Jimmy Carter offered amnesty to draft resisters, Moses returned to the United States and to Harvard, completing doctoral work in philosophy. He began teaching high school math in a public high school in Cambridge, Massachusetts, after learning from his daughter that the school was not offering algebra.

In 1982 Moses received a MacArthur Fellowship. He used the award to create the Algebra Project, devoted to improving minority education in math, starting with his daughter's classroom. Moses also taught math for a time at Lanier High School in Jackson, Mississippi. He used the Lanier classroom as a laboratory school for developing methods and approaches for the Algebra Project, enlisting the support of parents, teachers, and the community in the project.

For Moses, advancement in math literacy was the next phase of the civil rights struggle, guaranteeing the civil right to quality education as the Freedom Summer organizing has fought for the right to vote. "Education is still basically Jim Crow as far as the kids who are in the bottom economic strata of the country," he said in 2013. Moses believed that algebra in particular was a critical "gatekeeper" subject because mastering it was necessary in order for middle school students to advance in math, technology, and science; college was out of reach without it. The Algebra Project takes students who score the lowest on state math tests and aims to prepare them for college-level math by the end of high school by doubling up on math courses for the four years of high school. At Lanier High School in 2006, 55 percent of the students in the Algebra Project's curriculum passed the state exam on the first try, compared to 40 percent of students taught with the regular curriculum. More students at junior high school sites who followed the Algebra Project curriculum scored higher on standardized tests and continued to more advanced math classes than their schoolmates who followed the standard curriculum. Thus, they could better meet requirements for college admission and future entry into good jobs, as opposed to being tracked into low-paying, low-skill work.

Since 1982, Moses expanded the Algebra Project to more schools, developing models that are sustainable and focused on students by building coalitions of stakeholders within the local communities, particularly historically underserved populations. I believe that solving the problem requires exactly the kind of community organizing that changed the South in the 1960s, he told The New York Times in 2001. For example, the Algebra Project developed a cooperating project called Young People's Project, to help engage students in their learning process and their communities: "YPP uses mathematics literacy as a tool to develop young leaders and organizers who radically change the quality of education and quality of life in their communities so that all children have the opportunity to reach their full human potential."

In October 2006, the Algebra Project received an award from the National Science Foundation to improve the development of materials for Algebra I. More than 40,000 students in the US have been taught using the program.

Continued work in education
In 2001, Moses and fellow activist and journalist Charles E. Cobb Jr. published Radical Equations: Civil Rights from Mississippi to the Algebra Project, about Moses's life and work in civil rights and education. The New York Times described it: "If Chapter 1 of Mr. Moses's Mississippi odyssey was about voting, Chapter 2 is about algebra. They merge in his new book ... the themes – equality, empowerment, citizenship – ripple through like ribbons, tying the two experiences in the same long-term struggle."

As of 2006, Moses taught high school math in Jackson, Mississippi, and Miami, Florida. That year, he was named a Frank H. T. Rhodes Class of '56 Professor at Cornell University. As a visiting scholar at Princeton University, he taught an African American Studies class with Professor Tera Hunter in the Spring 2012 semester.

He was identified as a Teaching hero by The My Hero Project.

Death
Moses died on Sunday July 25, 2021. His death was confirmed by Algebra Project staff but no details were provided. His funeral was held at St. Mary of the Assumption Catholic Church in Cambridge.

Works

 * Radical Equations—Civil Rights from Mississippi to the Algebra Project (with Charles E. Cobb Jr.) (Beacon Press, 2001) ISBN 0807031275
 * Co-editor, Quality Education as a Constitutional Right—Creating a Grassroots Movement to Transform Public Schools (Beacon Press, 2010) ISBN 0807032824

Legacy and honors

 * 1982, MacArthur Fellowship
 * 1991, Doctor of Humane Letters (Honorary), Hamilton College
 * 1997, War Resisters League Peace Award
 * 1999, 6th Annual Heinz Award in the Human Condition
 * 2001, chapter foundation member, Phi Beta Kappa, University of Mississippi
 * 2001, Puffin/Nation Prize for Creative Citizenship
 * 2001, Margaret Chase Smith American Democracy Award
 * 2001, honorary doctor of humane letters, Grinnell College
 * 2002, James Bryant Conant Award
 * 2004, honorary doctor of laws, Princeton University
 * 2005, Alphonse Fletcher Sr. Fellowship
 * 2006, honorary doctor of science, Harvard University
 * 2007, John Dewey Prize for Progressive Education
 * 2007, honorary degree, Swarthmore College
 * 2016, honorary doctor of science, Ohio State University
 * 2016, honorary doctor of humane letters, University of Missouri

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Please tell me that I'm not mentally deficient...
Erm.. well, ah... I've had this suspicion that Ben might have had powers when he was a kid, because, you know, he knew the whole "power=responsibility" thing, and he told all that to Peter. Just a thought. Xiaoxiaoman9 00:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm guessing this isn't the guy with the rice. Bastie 21:16, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

In fact, Uncle Ben's only phrases in whole Earth-616 Marvel Comics are "you are not fooling me, Petey! I know you are awake, and it is time for school!" and "don't fatten him too much, dear! I can hardly outwrestle him now!" (both page 2).

Uncle Ben should redirect to the guy with the rice. 194.97.161.239 18:34, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Not true. He has made numerous other appearances.

PARKER, BENJAMIN "BEN" - uncle of spider-man, husband of may, brother of Richard, former carnival barker, raised peter after his parents died, killed by burglar that spider-man allowed to escape (D#19, ME, OH: BoD, net)*D*--Amazing Fantasy#15 (Spectacular Spider-Man An3/2(fb2), Spectacular Spider-Man An4(fb), Amazing Spider-Man I#370/2(fb), Spectacular Spider-Man III#27 (fb),  A147(fb), SpecAn3/2(fb3), Untold Tales of Spider-Man minus 1, Amazing Spider-Man An5(fb),  Marvel Graphic Novel: Spider-Man: Parallel Lives, AmzAn5(fb), A370/2(fb),  Spectacular Spider-Man Super-Size Special#1/2(fb), Peter Parker: Spider-Man#20(fb), SpecAn3/2(fb5),  PP:Sp1/2(fb), PP:Sp20(fb), 20(fb), Sensational Spider-Man minus 1, Amazing Spider-Man minus 1,  Spider-Man minus 1, Spectacular Spider-Man minus 1, 9; Marvel Knights Spider-Man#9 (fb),  AmzSpdm II#516+517(fb), PP:Sp33(fb1+2), Spider-Man: ParLives, PP:Sp33(fb3),  AmzFant#15/Amazing Spider-Man II#38(fb)(Amazing Spider-Man I#200(fb,dies), Amazing Spider-Man II#59

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PARKER, BEN ASM 370/2-FB ASM 147-FB UTSM -1-FB ASM@ 5-FB SM:PL ASM@ 5-FB ASM 370/2-FB PPTSSSS 1/2-FB PPSM2 20-FB PPSM2 33-FB PPSM2 1/2-FB PPSM2 20-FB PPSM2 20-FB WOSM@ 5/3-BTS M/AGE 85 PPTSS@ 11/4 PPSM2 33-FB SENSM -1 S-M -1 ASM -1 SM:PL ASM@ 1-FB {AAF 15} PPSM2 33-FB ASM2 38-FB AAF 15-BTS SM:PL ASM 200-FB

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/p/parkerben.htm

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Notability
This section is clumsily written, and confusing, maybe the first sentence should be removed altogether. In fact, if one includes the Ultimate Marvel rebooted continuity, Uncle Ben is the only one to have stayed dead across all major continuities. However, with both Jason Todd and Bucky returning recently, this leaves Uncle Ben as the only one. 惑乱 分からん 23:04, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

More info
In Amazing S-Man II#37-38, the phrase "With Great..." is attributed to Ben Parker, in a Stracyznski written issue.

In the recent Hydra/Ogalalla storyline by Stracyznski, May states that Ben was an MP and saw Captain America "during the war". The sliding timescale makes this problematic. 21:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)~Enda80

 * The sliding time scale makes pretty much the entire Marvel Universe problematic. I have no problem with Ben meeting Captain American during 'the war' Lots42 03:58, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

 * And to expand on that, almost all characters that don't have their origin directly tied into a specific war (Cap in WWII, Punisher in Vietnam), every other character gets referenced as a veteran of "a war" or "the war." It's also worth noting that several men have taken up the mantle of Captain America, and one of the first issues of Punisher: War Journal volume 2 puts forth the theory that MANY men have worn the Cap costume as part of basic training and various other military activities.  Notthegoatseguy 14:48, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Alternate Versions
This article is laid out really weird. I think the alternate versions should be collected under one section called 'Alternate Versions'.

Which should include the alternate universe limited series called '(Something) Bullet' where a very young Uncle Ben is killed in an assasination attempt on the scientist who created Captain America.

What's the full name of that limited series anyway?

Lots42 01:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

More suggestions
There's a lot more to Uncle Ben's history then what we see. We've seen him with May to literally pick up Parker from the child service's agency. We've seen him comfort May when Peter breaks his arm. We know some about his millitary history (he spent some time after the war officially ended helping confront Japanese millitary forces). In my humble opinion, this stuff is noteworthy.

I'd usually add this kind of stuff in myself but I think it calls for a much bigger expert then I. Lots42 03:57, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Arguable First Appearance
If no one objects, within the next couple days I'll be removing the speculation of Uncle Ben appearing prior to Amazing Fantasy #15. The only source is speculation from an editor in a re-print, and until Stan, Steve or someone from Marvel does a flat out confirm/deny, it shouldn't be in the article. Notthegoatseguy 14:51, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey! I object! Just because it is arguable whether it is officially part of the Marvel Universe, that deserves to be in there. This is not just an in-universe article! 69.210.105.240 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 21:41, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

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Wait a tic...
Uncle Ben is the most well-known character to stay dead after being "killed" in all continuancies, with the exceptions of him surviving the attack, or not being shot at all. But I think there are more people than just Ben who's been dead all these years. I've been reading my old comics, and I think there are actually [i]four[/i] characters who haven't come back. They are: 1. Uncle Ben 2. Gwen Stacey 3 + 4: Bruce Wayne's parents.

I know, I know. I sound incredibly stupid and noobish from my tone. But give it some thought, huh? I mean, the last time I heard about Gwen or her father was when Spider-Man donated the money (that mob-guy gave him to protect from Digger) to make the memorial Gwen Stacey Library. Bruce's parents? There's been one attemp I remember, from the Tower of Bable, where Ras Al Ghul sought to revive the Knight's parents. Ben? the article says it all. But seriously. Please give my thoughts a little time, and just not blatently lable it as OR. Please? Stormfin (talk) 02:12, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

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Just undid a helluvalotta vandalism. Arraitchjee (talk) 19:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

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Alternate Versions
Ben was cloned (and then shot) in a Deadpool special of some name. I think this is (with refs) noteable enough to add. Lots42 (talk) 03:45, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Problem with Voltaire attribution
The "With great power comes great responsibility" phrase has been attributed to Voltaire, but I can't find anything like it on the page that has now been provided. Could someone with better French check the page or can user:Spidey104 quote the relevant text? | Œuvres de Voltaire, Volume 48 p486 Cheers Grim23 ★ 19:33, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

 * If you check the edit history I was NOT the editor to initially enter that information. I have only reverted edits that changed it when those edits appeared to be more vandalism than anything else. I am not against the removal of the Voltaire information, but it should have an accompanying edit summary that shows it's not some random editor vandalizing the article. ''' Sp id ey  104  02:56, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I see you thought you were reverting vandalism, but if a respected editor restores information it helps dubious information look more legitimate. It seems someone has persitantly tried to perpetrate this hoax, it wouldn't surprise me if the ip which edited without leaving a summary was a strawman sock. As you have no objections I have removed the text. All the best, Grim23 ★ 12:44, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Added exclamation point to the Amazing Fantasy #15 quote, cf http://pah2.golding.id.au/images/AF15originfinal.jpg 50.9.53.111 (talk) 23:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Ben and May on the night of the shooting
This part of the article is confusing, probably because the original story never actually shows the critical moments and later retellings sometimes ignored one another. IIRC there's a flashback panel in Amazing Spider-Man #1 that shows May looking horrified as a gun is shot, but otherwise I think it wasn't until #200 (unless there was an early What If that showed it) that showed the first detailed flashback with the shooting inside the house as Ben rushed to protect May. The "they had an argument and Ben stormed outside where he get shot" revelation came in a much later telling. Timrollpickering (talk) 16:21, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

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