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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/JMR -- "Jesus Mighty Rock"

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3 talk 02:04, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

JMR -- "Jesus Mighty Rock"

 * This was tagged as a speedy for being spam without any rationale by anon. Based on their website and a lack of an allmusic entry I'd say delete, but maybe I'm missing something. I would especially like to know if they've got albums with a big label. - Mgm|(talk) 16:28, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

 * At best this is vanity or an advert. delete I first nominated it as speedy and tried to give it a |reason but i messed up the syntax sorry 4.243.54.103 16:34, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable band vanity. If kept for some reason, move to an acceptable name per MoS. Fernando Rizo T/C 19:03, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable band vanity. See Votes_for_deletion/Jesus_Mighty_Rock
 * Delete. I just cleaned up the other one, wouldn't see the validity of redirect here. Alf 21:04, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - not notable - Tεx  τ  urε  16:38, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Intel Core (microarchitecture)

4GHZ Processors
The introduction talks about Devil's Canyon being the first to reach netburst clocks. That's not actually the case. The Xeon 5698 (Westmere) was a 4.4GHZ dual core part

Nehalem has 16 stages?
Contradicted by source which, upon closer inspection, states that Nehalem's pipeline has 20-24 stages. Unfortunately, Intel Architectures Software Developer's Manual does not clearly indicate the number of pipeline stages.

Data pipeline is 14 stages?
I seriously doubt this. Perhaps the _instruction pipeline_ is 14 stages but I doubt the _data pipeline is. I didn't change the artical because I didn't research this. Also the width should be noted.

"Intel P8" should redirect to Conroe
This article should be put into Conroe to conform to the standard of articles on microprocessor architectures in Wikipedia. Intel processor microarchitectures are referred to by their code names in Wikipedia, not by their generation number. For example, Intel P7 directs the viewer to Netburst, and Intel P5 does not exist, the P5 architecture is described under Pentium. Intel P6 is also very similar in that only links to the names of processors of that generation are listed with architectual improvements described at each processor instead of the features of the artcitecture described directly at Intel P6.

This article seems slightly more detailed than Conroe, so the improvements made to this article should be integrated into Conroe. This is the reason I suggested the article for merging instead of deletion.

 * I respectfully disagree. Conroe is not the name of the eight generation architecture, only the code name of the first desktop chip to use the new architecture. Unfortunately, Conroe does not represent all the chips of the new architecture, and a broader article to represent them all is needed. There will be other chips to succeed Merom, Conroe, and Woodcrest that will use the new architecture. Conroe actually reminds me of Willamette, the first ever NetBurst chip in 2000, and that chip did not even merit its own article. On the other hand, Intel P8 represents the whole architecture, at least until a finalized brand name is released. But until then, the architecture is Intel P8. The two can not be merged. Would you like to just keep the two articles distinct? --Noypi380 05:55, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Conroe redirected to P8 instead
It was discussed instead in Talk:Conroe that Conroe should redirect to Intel P8. Any objections? --Noypi380 14:32, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Disagree. Conroe is the name of the first processor which will use the new architecture, there is no evidence that that will be the name of the architecture itself (Willamette was the first P4 but the architecture is Netburst, not Willamette). P8 should remain a separate article until Intel reveals the codename for the new architecture (ala Netburst) at which point P8 should be merged with that codename. --Defsac 12:18, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Noypi380. Conroe is an implementation of P8 architecture. At this stage, and since the P8 article is still relatively short, it would be useful to merge the content of Conroe into a new section in Intel P8 and redirect from Conroe. This will allow users to find all information in one place. --Smiley77 20:56, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

I Disagree. Intel procesor generations should be grouped by Family CPUID. And this is in Conroe '6' - same as in P II and P III etc. P6 = FamilyID 6, P7 (Netburst based) = FamilyID F. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.31.209.119 (talk • contribs) 12:21, 14 July 2006 (UTC).

Disagree. "Conroe" is also the name of a town in Texas, and the Conroe page is currently a disambiguation page that points both to the Conroe, Texas page and the page for Intel Core 2, which is the appropriate page for the processors code-named "Conroe", "Merom", "Allendale", etc..

However, grouping by family ID is wrong; the Intel Core Microarchitecture is sufficiently different from the P6 and Pentium M microarchitectures that the Core Microarchitecture processors shouldn't just be grouped with the PII and PIII. Guy Harris 19:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

No such thing as "P8"
Intel officially calls it the Next Generation Microarchitecture. Dan100 (Talk) 10:49, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I'd then propose we leave the article as is, the architecture article being INGM (with Intel P8 redirected here) and Conroe a seperate article. --Defsac 03:34, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Thing is, at this point, there's virtually no information about Conroe that's not covered by NGMA. There simply aren't enough details on Conroe, at this moment, to warrant a separate article. I propose that we re-create the Conroe article only when both a final name and details on the available models are released. Jgp 03:56, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree with Jgp. All information about Conroe are covered by NGMA. When more information will be available, we could create some new articles about each processor (Merom, Conroe, Woodcrest) whose links will be available in the NGMA article. Just like NetBurst article which has the links of all NetBurst processors. kostas213 19:13, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

FSB for Merom is 1066 MHz?
I don't think that Merom's FSB is 1066 MHz, but it is 667 MHz, just like the FSB of Core Duo (Yonah) processor. It is known that Merom will make use of the same chipset (945) as Core Duo. So the FSB will be 667 MHz, as I think. It is also should be mentioned that Merom - Conroe - Woodcrest are 4-issue cores.

 * You're right. I have, however, heard that a second wave of Meroms will launch in early 2007, supporting an 800 MHz FSB. I've corrected the FSB data, and I've also switched MHz over to MT/s, due to conflicts on other pages regarding what constitutes FSB speed. Jgp 22:50, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

NGMA cores are 4-issue wide.
I have added that the new cores will be 4-issue. I think that this fact is one of the most important characteristics of the new architecture. I have also mentioned that previous architectures (P6, P6-Banias, NetBurst) made use of 3-issue cores. --kostas213 19:02, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Looks good, the info as put by Intel is "A four-issue-wide, 14-stage main pipeline" Someone may also want to add the info "Shared on-chip L2 cache — The dual-core Core processors will feature a single, unified L2 cache that should allow for efficient sharing of data between the processor cores with no need for external bus traffic for cache coherency protocol traffic between the cores. Rattner said that there would be no partitioning of the L2 cache between cores, and in the event that one core should shut itself down to save power during a period of inactivity, the other core could make use of the full L2 cache if needed."

Release dates
Does anybody know when Intel plans to release the 3 new processors to the market? If yes, I think it would be a useful addition to the article. aditsu 21:23, 13 March 2006 (UTC) (shaking with anxiety)

 * I found several articles that say the 3 processors are officially scheduled for Q3 (July - September), most likely in this order: Woodcrest first, then Conroe, then Merom. Some say Conroe (the one I'm most interested in) is "expected" to be delivered in July, while others say August or even later; but it looks like mere speculation at this time. Example articles:  . If you find anything worthy to be included in the main article here, feel free to do that. aditsu 08:10, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I have added the release dates as they have now been confirmed officially by Intel.
 * http://dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2015
 * MacGyver 13:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Added the dailytech.com article to the references so it was more easily accessible and verifiable. 23:37, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a Crystal Ball
Can someone explain to me why much of this article does not violate WP:NOT? It says "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation. All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable ...". I mean, the processor line is interesting, of course, but why not wait until it actually comes out instead of speculating? -- Gnetwerker 07:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

The additional Links are not enough to be considered verifiable? Selfexiled 09:42, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Seriously, this article is of interest to a lot of people. It's the first I've read about it... and it's not like it's trivial or isn't going to happen. Not like making a page about the next Korn concert or whatever, which is what the "not a crystal ball" clause is supposed to cover.

Neutrality
Why is this page marked as "questionable neutrality"? What is the complaint?

Are there genuine 3GHz Clovertown parts?
I am aware of the Mac Pros containing quad-core 3GHz processors, but aren't they just overclocked Clovertowns? --Masud 20:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I have found the answer: according to Intel's Bill Kircos these are really 3GHz. --Masud 11:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Quad Core?
Aren't the cloverotwn's and kentsfield quad core yet in the server section in the table they are all listed as having 2 cores. Could someone clear this up? 203.214.6.247 08:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Oops, you're quite right. When I did the overhaul and created the tables, I forgot to do that. I've done it now, thanks for the reminder. --Masud 15:32, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Xeon 3040/3050 allendale?
Did intel change to the Allendale core on the Xeon 3040s/3050s recently? Since release they've been Conroes with half of their L2 cache disabled, basically e6300 and e6400 chips. The article states that they are Allendale core, I did not change it because quite frankly I don't know. The hardcore icon the sandman 22:11, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Page move
Since "Microarchitecture" isn't part of the official name, why rename the article to Intel Core microarchitecture instead of Intel Core (microarchitecture). The latter is more conventional. jgp TC 00:25, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds reasonable. I was just addressing WP:NC's capitalization guideline but the expert editors here can ponder that avenue as well.  I'd consider whether people ever refer to the microarchitecture as simply "Intel Core".  It appears that term would always refer to something else but I could be wrong.  —Wknight94 (talk) 00:51, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Rename article?
To bring this article in line with Nehalem (CPU architecture) and Gesher (CPU architecture), should this article be renamed to Intel Core (CPU architecture)? --Masud 21:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure that would be consistent because NetBurst has nothing in brackets and neither does Intel P6 and we can't get rid of the microarchitecture part either because that would cause confusion with Intel Core.--Sat84 11:53, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Hmmm... but don't we normally have things in brackets when we distinguish between two things that are named the same thing? For example Fight Club (film) and Fight Club (video game)? In this case, we have the processor and the architecture, both called the same thing: Intel Core and so we need the distinguishing. Similarly, there will be a processor called Nehalem but the term is also used to describe the architecture. --Masud 12:46, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Seems reasonable but then we would have to change Intel Core to Intel Core (CPU) to be consistent or would we leave that alone?--Sat84 13:12, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I should think the rename of that article is in order too. --Masud 15:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

 * And irritatingly enough, the Intel Core (CPU) isn't even of the Intel Core (CPU architecture)! --Masud 16:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Changing it would make sense & I'd support it. Cooldude7273 01:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

And so it was done. --Masud 00:38, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Rename article (2)?
Shouldn't the article be renamaed to "Intel Core (microarchitecture)" (together with the Nehalem (CPU architecture) and Gesher (CPU architecture) articles) to avoid using the word "architecture" for microarchitecture (hardware) and instruction set (software) possibly confusing a bit?

 * I don't see the confusion here, explain it a little bit better please.--Sat84 13:36, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

 * I suggested on Talk:Nehalem (CPU architecture) that we rename Intel Core (CPU architecture), Nehalem (CPU architecture), and Sandy Bridge (CPU architecture) to "Intel Core (CPU microarchitecture)", "Nehalem (CPU microarchitecture)", and "Sandy Bridge (CPU microarchitecture)". My reason is that the terms "architecture" and "microarchitecture" refer to different things.  "Architecture" is for the overall design of the processor (as in the ISA), such as x86, POWER, Alpha, SPARC, etc.  Microarchitecture, on the other hand, refers to the specific implementation of the design.  CPUs with different architectures are not compatible, but those with different microarchitectures are compatible.  That's my idea, what do you think? Imperator3733 23:37, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Sounds good to me and I'd agree with that. --Masud 15:13, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * But now the the Article called "Core" it has to include the Yona-Processor as well, doesnt it ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.109.190.88 (talk) 08:42, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yonah does not use the Core microarchitecture, it is already mentioned on Intel Core, and this naming change would have no impact w.r.t. Yonah. This would be a more technically correct way to title the articles.  I do have 2 notes about this change though: first that 'microarchitecture' is a pain to spell (good use of redirects and some copy-paste can save one from actually typing it out, though); second that the word "CPU" is no longer necessary if this change is made, as there is no ambiguity about what sort of microarchitecture the titles might be refering to.  AFAIK there are no other definitions in common use.  —  Aluvus  t/c 05:16, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

 * So how does renaming the articles to Intel Core (microarchitecture), Nehalem (microarchitecture), and Sandy Bridge (microarchitecture) sound? Another possibility would be to have "Intel" in all the names (making the naming more consistent -- i.e. Intel Nehalem (microarchitecture) and Intel Sandy Bridge (microarchitecture).  If we do that I would suggest making the change to other uArch pages (i.e. NetBurst to Intel NetBurst (microarchitecture), Intel P6 to Intel P6 (microarchitecture, etc).  So, what do you think?  I'll give this a week for comments.  If the response is favorable, I (or someone else) will/can rename them.  If there is no response, I'll probably wait a bit longer.  -- Imperator3733 22:02, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

 * As no one has responded to this proposal, I am going to give the idea one more week. I am adding this proposal to the Talk:Nehalem (CPU architecture) and Talk:Sandy Bridge (CPU architecture).  -- Imperator3733 00:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I think Nehalem (microarchitecture) is better than Intel Nehalem (microarchitecture), as Nehalem is just a codename and we don't have the official name for it. We can rename it when (and if) its commercial name is announced. Incidentally, what does Intel use on their official literature; Intel Core or Core? If they only use Core, then this article should be renamed to Core (microarchitecture).

 * Also taking into account Aluvus's concerns, what about marchitecture? I know it's not a well-known abbreviation, so perhaps it's not a great idea.

 * --Masud 23:05, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

 * In Intel's Core 2 Duo desktop product brief, they call it the "Intel® Core® microarchitecture" (page 1, 2nd column, top line).

 * You're right about "marchitecture" not being very well known -- I think I've seen it maybe once or twice in approx. 3 years. The abbreviation I know and use is "μArch" or "uArch".  -- Imperator3733 23:51, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

 * The pages have now been renamed. See Intel Core (microarchitecture), Nehalem (microarchitecture), and Sandy Bridge (microarchitecture) -- Imperator3733 18:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Processor tables
Why does this page have processor tables on it? Isn't that stuff already at List of Intel Core 2 microprocessors and List of future Intel Core 2 microprocessors? It seems redundant to me. -- Imperator3733 23:29, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It gives an overview on all the processors based on Core microarchitecture, including Celeron M & Celeron, Pentium Dual-Core, and Xeon variants, all on a single page.Coldpower27 02:17, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

 * It just seems that it takes up most of the page. -- Imperator3733 03:44, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I initially added the processor tables. This is what it used to look like before I added them http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Intel_Core_%28microarchitecture%29&oldid=122474374. Given that I added them, of course I'm going to think they are a good idea, but here are the reasons why:
 * They provide a handy "at-a-glance" way to compare and contrast all the processors. Even for those of us who keep up with the Intel processor codenames, they are still quite confusing, and these tables help to a great degree. I know I have come to this page several times to quickly find out what the details of certain processors are by model number.
 * They are better than the list pages in the sense that one can quickly compare processors of the same type.The fact that there are only performance details (as opposed to the list pages which have sSpec number, multiplier, release date, price etc.) also aids in quick comparison
 * They are a substantial improvement upon the older lists of processors
 * They provide a handy way to view upcoming processor technology

 * The possible downsides I can think of are:

 * The article is becoming too long
 * Maintaining consistency across Wikipedia of other CPU architectures is difficult/impossible
 * Keeping the tables up-to-date is too much of a demand on Wikipedians
 * Redundancy

 * The responses would be:

 * This is a genuine issue that needs to be taken into account. I personally think that the tables are useful to visitors of the page, especially as newer processors come out.
 * This is also a genuine issue. As a comparison, AMD K10 article has a nice balance of μarch details and specifies the naming scheme, but as far as I know, Intel does not follow any logical numbering scheme (except for higher = better).
 * Initially I was copying all the data from the list articles, but as the article grew in prominence there are plenty of Wikipedians doing this task.
 * While the tables present essentially the same (if not less) information as the list articles, the presentation is entirely different, and in my opinion, this difference in presentation is enough to warrant the inclusion of the tables.

 * --Masud 11:34, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What is your policy on ordering of the processors? I think I'd go either with "dualcore/quadcore/extreme" as primary key, and architecture (ie, Conroe (-based), Wolfdale (-based)) as secondary key, or perhaps the other way around. 80.101.113.45 (talk) 13:10, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Intel ARK
In case you didn't know, Intel has their ARK (Automated Relational Knowledgebase) in beta. It lists all of their processors and all their details. See http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071107-intels-new-ark-is-lifeboat-for-journalists-chip-junkies.html for more details.

Masud 06:16, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Sweet! That sounds very interesting.  -- Imperator3733 18:49, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Intel ARK --Ramu50 (talk) 00:01, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Processor roadmaps
I've started a discussion on the processor roadmap graphics over at Talk:Nehalem (microarchitecture). Please take a look and make a comment if you have any thoughts. Thank you. -- Imperator3733 (talk) 15:06, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

List of steppings?
The processor table seems useful, but what I'd rather like to see is a table that shows the relation between all the steppings and how they are used.

List of 65nm Intel Core steppings:

List of 45nm Intel Core steppings:

 * I think that looks pretty cool. Part of the issue though is explaining what this means to the average reader of the article. While most readers would be familiar with processor model names, and things like no. of cores etc., we might need an explanatory paragraph preceding these tables.

 * I don't think it clutters the article, as I find the information thus presented to be quite interesting. However, others may disagree. Any further opinions?

 * --Masudr (talk) 15:27, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Superscalar
The article says: "Core's execution unit is 4 issues wide, compared to the 3-issue cores of P6, P-M (Banias, Dothan, and Yonah), and NetBurst microarchitectures."

This sentence does not make any sense. There is no "execution unit". There are multiple execution units, a combination of ALUs, AGUs and FPUs (and perhaps some special purpose units on the side). These execution units are fed with instructions dispatched from something such as a reserve station. The "four-issue" refers to the number of micro-ops (or whatever they are called these days) that are sent to the reserve station. The reserve station itself can dispatch more instructions to the execution units than the number of instructions sent to it.

The sentence should say something along the lines of: The Core microarchitecture is a four-way superscalar design, compared to the three-way superscalar P6.

Before someone rushes to update the article, my comments are based on the P6 microarchitecture. The Core microarchitecture may be completely different, I don't know, but the sentence needs to be fixed. Rilak (talk) 12:09, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Is it x86, after all?
The intro does mention Pentium so I am assuming the instruction set is x86 based, but is it so? This should be mentioned/explained in the intro (unlike most other technical details in this article, this is important for the "regular" users trying to find proper compiler options when transfering codes between different machines!) Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.97.82.220 (talk) 02:03, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Interoperability
Some mention of what these things can go into would be extremely helpful! For example - can I pull out my Socket 604 chip, and substitute in any other socket 604; and if not - is there some way to figure out from what I'm currently using, what other ones will work? 203.45.103.88 (talk) 05:23, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

 * This issue is normally addressed in the articles on individual products and sockets. It can be a surprisingly complex issue, and cuts across microarchitectures anyway (Netburst and Core products are both available on LGA 775, for example).  —  Aluvus  t/c 20:27, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Inconsistency between Wikipedia pages
List of Intel Core 2 microprocessors says that the Core 2 Quad Q9550S has a 2×6MB L2 cache, while this page says it's a (implied single) 12MB L2. That's a significant difference -- the pair of cores that share an LS will communicate faster than the ones using separate L2 caches. The processor table suggested above has less duplication of information and thus reduces the chances of inconsistency. Guy Macon 20:32, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

IntelProcessorRoadmap.svg needs small update
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge were Sandy Bridge mainstream processors launched earlier this year, so 'Sandy Bridge' in the technology roadmap figure (IntelProcessorRoadmap.svg) should be black, not blue (as it is not a future technology any more). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andre.holzner (talk • contribs) 11:46, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

A comprehensive authoritative summary of recent Intel microarchitecture
This link should be added as a reference/external link and the information can be used to update and refresh the data in the article: Intel Processor Identification with CPUID — Preceding unsigned comment added by Husmousa (talk • contribs) 21:45, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Israel's role in Core design
The last sentence and source in the intro (ie. "The Core microarchitecture was designed by Israel's Intel Israel (IDC) team...") are not coherent. The article states that Intel Israel were responsible for the Core 2 Duo, but nothing about earlier iterations etc. It should be changed to reflect the source, or better sources found for the claim.60.242.39.220 (talk) 13:57, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Is Dunnington model correct
Two places on the page describe Dunnington as model 30, and two give a CPUID value as 0x106DX but D=13 so 0x106DX would be model 29 not model 30. Which is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.245.127.15 (talk) 12:30, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

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Louis-Armand de Lom d'Arce de Lahontan, Baron de Lahontan

Louis Armand, Baron de Lahontan (9 June 1666 – prior to 1716) was a French artistocrat, writer, and explorer who served in the French military in Canada, where he traveled extensively in the Wisconsin and Minnesota region and the upper Mississippi Valley. Upon his return to Europe he wrote an enormously popular travelogue. In it he recounted his voyage up the "Long River," now thought to be the Missouri. He wrote at length and in very positive terms about Native American culture, portraying Indian people as free, rational, and generally admirable.

Early life
He was born into the aristocracy and inherited the title Baron Lahontan upon his father's death in 1674. De Lahontan joined the troupes de la marine and was sent to New France in 1683 at age 17 along with two other officers and three companies of troops. After arriving at Quebec in November and settling in Beaupré, he would lead his company in 1684 on an unsuccessful offense against the Iroquois from Fort Frontenac.

Explorer
Having already faced the reality of settler life in Beaupré, de Lahontan again led his men to Boucherville to live with local habitants between 1685 and 1687 – himself dividing his time between hunting and classical literature. Just prior to a decision to return to France, Lahontan was ordered –at least in part because of his knowledge of the Algonkian language- to head a detachment of French and native troops towards Fort St. Joseph where he would launch another attack on the Iroquois. He was a restless commander and spent much of his time exploring the region. In 1688 following news of the abandonment of the post at Niagara and renewed attacks of the Iroquois, he burned his fort and led his men to Michillimackinac in search of supplies and possibly entertainment for his men. De Lahontan felt that without supplies from Niagara his dwindling stores would not be enough to last the winter. During the winter and spring months he explored the upper Mississippi valley where he ascended the “Rivière Longue”; some scholars consider this a fanciful tale, others argue that he had discovered the Missouri River.

King William's War
During King William's War, De Lahontan submitted several proposals for military fortification and equipment in New France such as a Great Lakes Flotilla for defense against the Iroquois and a line of forts meant for defence along the western frontier, both on behalf of Governor Frontenac in 1692. Further, he led a successful offense against five English frigates of Phipp's invasion fleet in the Gulf of St. Lawrence in 1690 under Frontenac. Though his proposal for a Great Lakes flotilla was ultimately rejected on the basis of cost, de Lahontan would be promoted to King's Lieutenant.

At Placentia, he defended the capital from a siege in 1692. On 13 December 1692 following a conflict with the governor of Placentia (Newfoundland), Jacques-François de Monbeton de Brouillan, de Lahontan decided to abandon his office and New France altogether.

He deserted and took ship for Viana, Portugal. Deprived of his inheritance and unable to return to France, he eventually arrived in Amsterdam on 14 April. During an unknown period of time in Saragossa, Spain, until at least 1696, de Lahontan recorded his memoirs for the English government explaining how and why they should take French controlled Canada.

Author
Upon return to Amsterdam in 1703 he published his three most famous works: Nouveaux Voyages dans l’Amerique Septentrionale, Memoires de l’Amerique Septentrionale, and Supplement aux Voyages ou Dialogues avec le sauvage Adario. Nouveaux Voyages dans l’Amerique Septentrionale provides a thorough and detailed account of de Lahontan's life and stay in New France, while Memoires de l’Amerique Septentrionale describes his observations of geography, institutions, commerce as well as information about native tribes. Finally, Supplement aux Voyages ou Dialogues avec le sauvage Adario lambasts institutional Christianity by means of a dialogue between de Lahontan and a Huron Chief named Adario (The Rat). The author attempts to contrast the injustice of Christianity with the freedom and justice of native people. This book was fairly much read, and played a role in the growing demand for higher equality between rich and poor in France.

Links

 * Lom d'Arce at the Canadian Museum of History: CV, animated map of his expedition to Saint-Louis; English or French
 * Lom d'Arce at the Canadian Museum of History: CV, animated map of his expedition to Saint-Louis; English or French


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Epigenes of Byzantium

Epigenes of Byzantium (Έπιγένης ὁ Βυζάντιος; unknown-circa 200 BC) was a Greek astrologer. He seems to have been an earlier supporter of astrology, which, though derided by many Greek intellectuals, came to be accepted after Alexander the Great conquered major parts of the Near East.

The sources for the life of Epigenes are Seneca the Younger (c 65 AD), Pliny the Elder (c. 77 AD), and Censorinus (c. 238 AD).

Epigenes' claims to have been educated by the Chaldeans comes from the writings of Seneca. Pliny the Elder writes that Epigenes attests to the fact that the Chaldeans preserved astral observations in inscriptions upon brick tiles (coctilibus laterculis) extending to a period of 720 years. Pliny calls Epigenes a writer of first-rate authority (gravis auctor imprimis). Smith interprets this to mean that Epigenes came before Berossus.

Epigenes refined the study of his chosen field, defining Saturn, for example, as "cold and windy." Along with Apollonius of Myndus and Artemidorus of Parium, he boasted of having been instructed by the Chaldean priest-astrologers.

The 55-km lunar crater Epigenes is named after him.

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Vančo Trajanov

Vančo Trajanov (Ванчо Трајанов; born 9 August 1978) is a former Macedonian footballer who played as a midfielder.

He was the first – and, to date, only – non-Bulgarian to have made more than 300 Bulgarian First League appearances (making him the highest-appearing non-Bulgarian in the First League's history). At international level, Trajanov played for the Macedonian national team 35 times between 2001 and 2009.

Club career
Trajanov began his career in FK Bregalnica Delčevo.

In 2002, Trajanov was signed by fellow Bulgarian A Group club Lokomotiv Plovdiv with whom he would win the league in the season of 2003–04.

After success in Bulgaria, he moved to Germany to play for Arminia Bielefeld but failed to establish himself within the first team. Trajanov made his début for Arminia in a 4–2 win over 1. FC Köln II in the DFB-Pokal on 21 September 2004, coming on as a substitute. He made his Bundesliga début on 12 December 2004 as a second-half substitute in a 5–0 defeat to VfL Wolfsburg at Volkswagen Arena. This was to be his last appearance for Arminia.

In October 2006, Trajanov returned to Bulgaria to play for Chernomorets Burgas. For two-and-a-half seasons, he earned 59 appearances and scored one goal in a 1–0 home win against Marek Dupnitsa on 26 October 2007.

On 15 September 2010, Trajanov joined Minyor Pernik; fourth Bulgarian team in his career. At the start of the 2012–13 season he was selected as the new team captain. On 6 November 2012, Trajanov dissolved his contract due to financial reasons.

On 8 January 2013, Trajanov re-signed for Chernomorets Burgas on a free transfer. On 20 February 2017, he reached a historic milestone - Trajanov became the first foreign player to appear in 300 matches in the top Bulgarian division. Serbian Nebojša Jelenković (with 293 games) is in second place among foreign footballers.

On 14 June 2018, Trajanov announced his retirement as an active footballer, though he subsequently made a few appearances for Oborishte.

International career
He made his senior debut for Macedonia in a June 2001 FIFA World Cup qualification match against Moldova in Skopje. On 16 October 2002, Trajanov scored goal during Macedonia's Euro 2004 qualifying match against England at St Mary's Stadium, which finished 2–2. In all Trajanov gained 36 caps, making his final appearance for Macedonia in the 4–0 loss against Netherlands on 1 April 2009.

Club
Lokomotiv Plovdiv
 * A Group: 2003–04

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of small bands

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The result of the debate was delete. [[smoddy ]] 19:41, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

List of small bands
Delete. A list of bands who aren't notable enough for their own Wikipedia article will be uncontrollably huge. What next, a list of people who aren't notable for their own article? KeithD (talk) 16:30, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Note: The article in question was moved early on, during in the deletion discussion, and the text was nominated for deletion under the new title as well, as a result, this was the second discussion about what to do with the content, the first was started at Votes for deletion/Machines Of Desire, as far as I could tell, no consensus had been reached to keep the content and merge it to a different article. --Mysidia (talk) 21:37, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

 Speedy delete:Okay, I read the guidelines at Criteria for speedy deletion and I believe Machines of Desire meets the criteria. Does anyone mind if I delete the article right away, or do you want to wait a full seven days to vote on whether it deservers a speedy delete? Sheesh! Uncle Ed 21:04, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete probably even speedy -- Ryan Norton T 16:35, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete Bands that shouldn't be in wikipedia should probably not be in wikipedia. Friday (talk) 16:43, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * (changed to delete, after discussion) KeepInstead of wasting time listing a band article on vfd and voting on it, simply merge it with List of small bands, as I did with Machines of Desire. This will save us all a lot of time. Uncle Ed 16:48, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, by that logic, every single band in existence that fails the very clear WP:MUSIC guidelines can get advertisement inserted into wikipedia. Such a list only circumvents concensus and existing rules and guidelines. - Mgm|(talk) 17:46, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Completely non-notable. --Blackcap | talk 16:58, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete useless list of unencyclopedic information —Wahoofive (talk) 18:09, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. You can always create a separate wiki if you desire to move small bands elsewhere. -- BD2412 talk 18:17, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Please note that Machines Of Desire, currently listed at Votes for deletion/Machines Of Desire, was renamed here during that article's deletion discussion by User:Ed Poor, who also removed the VFD notice from the article. Uncle G 18:34:00, 2005-08-24 (UTC)
 * Why are you talking around me instead of *to* me? And why have you ignored the fact that I already mentioned the very thing you are supposedly informing everybody about (see my comment above). I mean, really! What part of merge it with List of small bands, as I did with Machines of Desire did you think the others here didn't understand? Uncle Ed 19:43, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * The difference is that in your comment, you were suggesting that people, instead of VfDing small bands, move the topic to List of small bands (which is a bad idea for the reason given by Mgm above); while Uncle G was letting us know that you had moved Machines of Desire, an article currently undergoing VfD, to List of small bands. Moving VfD articles is explicitly prohibited in the Guide to VfD page and even on the template. You were endorsing this action, Uncle G was not. Uncle G was just saying that this had happened, which is important because if this article is deleted it affects Machines of Desire. --Blackcap | talk 20:14, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Note that Ed Poor unilaterally moved Damon Lucibello and removed the VfD notice without consensus while the discussion was still going on. He's notorious for taking unilateral actions like this.  We know his disdain for VfD in general.  Zoe 23:10, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, Zoe, and I realized my mistake, thanks to Keith. I request that my "unilateral" action be undone, in accordance with consensus. Fair enough? BTW, welcome back, haven't seen you in a year! :-) Uncle Ed 15:47, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per MGM. Editors (especially those recently smacked around for bad judgement in abuse of admin privileges) should please not remove VfD notices during the voting period, regardless of whether they also moved content without consensus.  Mr. Poor, the preceding generalization also applies to you (mentioning this just to be using the second person singular tense rather than talking around you).  Barno 20:04, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Agree on both counts: (1) Deleting vfd was an error in judgment; (2) The rules *do* apply to me. And thanks for not talking "around" me. :-) Uncle Ed 15:49, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Listcruft, kinda stupid idea. Punkmorten 20:37, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Everybody please stop biting Ed.  JDoorjam 21:53, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with List of minor people and delete. --Carnildo 22:43, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, merge and delete is an invalid vote. Punkmorten 08:52, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Normally, yes, but since the target doesn't exist and shouldn't exist, it's just a fancy way of saying "delete". --Carnildo 18:42, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * What about the article (in its original form) meets the criteria for speedy deletion? The vanity guidelines, as I understand them, apply to people rather than bands. KeithD (talk) 21:16, 24 August 2005 (UTC) Oops. Your comment, and my reply, should have been at the Machines Of Desire VfD, not at the List of small bands VfD. That's exactly why VfD articles are supposed not to be moved. KeithD (talk) 21:17, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Agree with Keith completely. Thanks for explaining it all to me! Uncle Ed 15:51, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete, fails WP:MUSIC. Radiant_ >|< 14:05, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Novack Cafe

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The result of the debate was delete. [[smoddy ]] 19:39, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Novack Cafe
A minor restaurant on the campus of Dartmouth. I left a friendly note to School and university projects - instructions for students on the talk page of the anon who created it. Nothing to see here. Meelar (talk) 16:31, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete although maybe merge some content with Dartmouth College if its worth it -- Ryan Norton T 16:39, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete more nn dininghallcruft. -- Etacar11   02:44, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. --GraemeL (talk) 10:07, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. per nom. Alf 13:39, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - Tεx  τ  urε  16:39, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Conroe

"Intel P8" should redirect to Conroe
The Intel P8 article should be put into Conroe to conform to the standard of articles on microprocessor architectures in Wikipedia. Intel processor microarchitectures are referred to by their code names in Wikipedia, not by their generation number. For example, Intel P7 directs the viewer to Netburst, and Intel P5 does not exist, the P5 architecture is described under Pentium. Intel P6 is also very similar in that only links to the names of processors of that generation are listed with architectual improvements described at each processor instead of the features of the artcitecture described directly at Intel P6.

Intel_P8 seems slightly more detailed than Conroe, so the improvements made to that article should be integrated into Conroe. This is the reason I suggested that article for merging instead of deletion.

The intel P8 seems to more or less be an exact duplicate of the Conroe page save the "early chips" segment (which I dont think is a proper way to think of them). I agree, P8 should be changed into a Conroe re-direct, but the early chips section shouldnt be copied over as it is not a proper descriptor of the different variation's intended uses.

 * I respectfully disagree. Conroe is not the name of the eight generation architecture, only the code name of the first desktop chip to use the new architecture. Unfortunately, Conroe does not represent all the chips of the new architecture, and a broader article to represent them all is needed. There will be other chips to succeed Merom, Conroe, and Woodcrest that will use the new architecture. Conroe actually reminds me of Willamette, the first ever NetBurst chip in 2000, and that chip did not even merit its own article. On the other hand, Intel P8 represents the whole architecture, at least until a finalized brand name is released. But until then, the architecture is Intel P8. The two can not be merged. Would you like to just keep the two articles distinct? --Noypi380 05:33, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I just want to add that I agree with you. If anything, Conroe should just be merged into this page, as referring to a microarchitecture by the codename of one of its first processors is rather misleading. Since 99% of what's in the Conroe page refers to this microarchitecture, I'd be in favour of moving it all into here and getting rid of the Conroe page until more specifics about Conroe itself (especially its brand name) are released. --Jgp 08:39, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Conroe is one particular chip, not the architecture. Pending objections, I intend to merge this article into the P8 one, which can then be renamed when the real name for the architecture is announced. Dan100 (Talk) 20:09, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree, and I do not object. --Noypi380 14:34, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Pentium 5?
There is absolutely no evidence that Conroe will be called Pentium 5. It is more likely to continue as a Pentium D, or adopt a whole new name. Andros 1337 03:26, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree, although I do know how to prove the reverse. :)--Noypi380 06:24, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Theres absolutely no clue as to what the new architecture's final code name will be; as a result, a redirect is going to have to be made once the final architecture name is released, with all of these other articles re-directing to the final name release.

Performance?
One of the sections in the article mentions that the integer performance is expected to be worse than K8 due to shorter pipelines. This is probably incorrect. Integer performance tends to be better on machines with shorter pipelines, while Floating point performance tends to be slightly worse. K. Eng 20:03, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Hardy Boys Digest

See [] for discussion about User FWDixon/Bob Finnan's link spamming and plagiarism.

More on the link spamming and commercial advertising. Example http://hardyboys.bobfinnan.com/hbpb.htm is just a list of titles that all have links to Amazon. All of the books summaries were copied from Amazon. Every HB Digest title, Casefiles title, Clues Brothers title, Supermysteries title, Ultra Thriller title and so on has a link to Amazon and all summaries were copied from Amazon. Does that tell anyone something?

Link to The Unofficial Hardy Boys site from this article should be identified as commercial site. It has 127 Amazon buy links for this series alone and a total of 360 Amazon buy links on the page. 69.205.9.31 18:57, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Undercover Brothers

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See [] for discussion about User FWDixon/Bob Finnan's link spamming and plagiarism.

More on the link spamming and commercial advertising. Example http://hardyboys.bobfinnan.com/hbpb.htm is just a list of titles that all have links to Amazon. All of the books summaries were copied from Amazon. Every HB Digest title, Casefiles title, Clues Brothers title, Supermysteries title, Ultra Thriller title and so on has a link to Amazon and all summaries were copied from Amazon. Does that tell anyone something?

Link to The Unofficial Hardy Boys site from this article should be identified as commercial site. It has 127 Amazon buy links for this series alone and a total of 360 Amazon buy links on the page. 69.205.9.31 18:58, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
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Merge proposal
From Merge Request Noticeboard: Merge Hardy Boys:Burned into the article Undercover Brothers. Wgolf (talk) 15:26, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

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British Airways Flight 009

British Airways Flight 009, sometimes referred to by its callsign Speedbird 9 or as the Jakarta incident, was a scheduled British Airways flight from London Heathrow to Auckland, with stops in Bombay, Kuala Lumpur, Perth, and Melbourne.

On 24 June 1982, the route was flown by the City of Edinburgh, a Boeing 747-236B registered as G-BDXH. The aircraft flew into a cloud of volcanic ash thrown up by the eruption of Mount Galunggung around 110 mi south-east of Jakarta, Indonesia, resulting in the failure of all four engines. Partly because the event occurred at night, obscuring the cloud, the reason for the failure was not immediately apparent to the crew or air traffic control. The aircraft was diverted to Jakarta in the hope that enough engines could be restarted to allow it to land there. The aircraft glided out of the ash cloud, and all engines were restarted (although engine number 2 started vibrating and the crew had to shut it down soon after), allowing the aircraft to land safely at Halim Perdanakusuma Airport in Jakarta.

The crew members of the accident segment had boarded the aircraft in Kuala Lumpur, while many of the passengers had been aboard since the flight began in London.

Incident
At the time of the incident, the flight crew of BA009 consisted of 32-year-old Senior First Officer Roger Greaves, 40-year-old Senior Engineer Officer Barry Townley-Freeman, and 41-year-old Captain Eric Henry Moody. The flight crew members had boarded the aircraft at Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah Airport in Kuala Lumpur and were due to pilot the 747-200 for the Malaysia to Perth Airport leg.

Shortly after 13:40 UTC (20:40 Jakarta time) above the Indian Ocean, south of Java, the crew first noticed an unusual effect on the windscreen similar to St. Elmo's fire, while Moody was heading to the lavatory. Despite the weather radar showing clear skies, the crew switched on engine anti-ice and the passenger seat belt signs as a precaution.

As the flight progressed, smoke began to accumulate in the passenger cabin of the aircraft; it was first assumed to be cigarette smoke. However, it soon began to grow thicker and had an odour of sulphur. Passengers who had a view of the aircraft's engines through the window noted that they were unusually bright blue, with light shining forward through the fan blades and producing a stroboscopic effect.

Around 13:42 UTC (20:42 Jakarta time), the number-four Rolls-Royce RB211 engine began surging and soon flamed out. The flight crew immediately performed the engine shutdown drill, quickly cutting off fuel supply and arming the fire extinguishers. Less than a minute later, at 13:43 UTC (20:43 Jakarta time), engine two surged and flamed out. Within seconds, and almost simultaneously, engines one and three flamed out, prompting the flight engineer to exclaim, "I don't believe it—all four engines have failed!"

Without engine thrust, a 747-200 has a glide ratio of roughly 15:1, meaning it can glide forward 15 kilometres for every kilometre it drops. The flight crew quickly determined that the aircraft was capable of gliding for 23 minutes and covering 91 nmi from its flight level of 37000 ft. At 13:44 UTC (20:44 Jakarta time), Greaves broadcast a Mayday to the local air traffic control authority, stating that all four engines had failed. However, Jakarta Area Control misunderstood the message, interpreting the call as meaning that only engine number four had shut down. After a nearby Garuda Indonesia flight relayed the message to them, air traffic control correctly understood the urgent message. Despite the crew "squawking" the emergency transponder setting of 7700, air traffic control could not locate the 747 on their radar screens.

Owing to the high Indonesian mountains on the south coast of the island of Java, an altitude of at least 11500 ft was required to cross the coast safely. The crew decided that if the aircraft was unable to maintain altitude by the time they reached 12000 ft, they would turn back out to sea and attempt to ditch into the Indian Ocean. The crew began engine restart drills, despite being well outside the recommended maximum engine in-flight start envelope altitude of 28000 ft. The restart attempts failed.

Despite the lack of time, Moody made an announcement to the passengers that has been described as "a masterpiece of understatement": "Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them going again. I trust you are not in too much distress."

As pressure within the cabin fell, oxygen masks dropped from the ceiling – an automatic emergency measure to make up for the lack of air. On the flight deck, however, Greaves's mask was broken; the delivery tube had detached from the rest of the mask. Moody swiftly decided to descend at 1,800 m per minute to an altitude where there was enough pressure in the outside atmosphere to breathe almost normally. Many passengers, fearing for their lives, wrote notes to relatives.

At 13500 ft, the crew was approaching the altitude at which they would have to turn over the ocean and attempt a risky ditching. Although the crew had guidelines for the water landing procedure, no one had ever tried it in a Boeing 747. As they performed the engine restart procedure, engine number four finally started, and at 13:56 UTC (20:56 Jakarta time), Moody used its power to reduce the rate of descent. Shortly thereafter, engine three restarted, allowing him to climb slowly. Shortly after that, engines one and two successfully restarted, as well. The crew subsequently requested and expedited an increase in altitude to clear the high mountains of Indonesia.

As the aircraft approached its target altitude, the St. Elmo's fire effect on the windscreen returned. Moody throttled back, but engine number two surged again and was shut down. The crew immediately descended and held 12000 ft.

As Flight 009 approached Jakarta's Halim Perdanakusuma International Airport, the crew found seeing anything through the windscreen difficult, and made the approach almost entirely on instruments, despite reports of good visibility. The crew decided to fly the instrument landing system, but the vertical guidance system was inoperative, so they were forced to fly with only the lateral guidance as the first officer monitored the airport's distance-measuring equipment (DME). He then called out how high they should be at each DME step along the final approach to the runway, creating a virtual glide slope for them to follow. Moody described it as "a bit like negotiating one's way up a badger's arse." Although the runway lights could be made out through a small strip of the windscreen, the landing lights on the aircraft seemed to be inoperable. After landing, the flight crew found taxiing impossible, due to glare from apron floodlights, which made the already sandblasted windscreen opaque. Upon disembarking, the flight engineer knelt at the bottom of the steps and kissed the ground. When Moody asked why, the engineer replied that “The Pope does it,” to which Moody responded: “He flies Alitalia.”

Investigation
Postflight investigation revealed that City of Edinburgh's problems had been caused by flying through a cloud of volcanic ash from the eruption of Mount Galunggung. Because the ash cloud was dry, it did not appear on the weather radar, which was designed to detect the moisture in clouds. The dust in the cloud deprived the engines of sufficient oxygen from the atmosphere to maintain combustion, sandblasted the windscreen and landing-light covers, and clogged the engines. As the ash entered the engines, it melted in the combustion chambers and adhered to the inside of the power plant. As the engine cooled from inactivity, and as the aircraft descended out of the ash cloud, the molten ash solidified and enough broke off for air to again flow smoothly through the engine, allowing a successful restart. The engines had enough electrical power to crank, ignite, and restart because one generator and the on-board batteries were still operating.

Aftermath
Engines one, two, and three were replaced at Jakarta, as was the windscreen, and the fuel tanks were cleared of the ash that had entered them through the pressurization ducts, badly contaminating the fuel. After the aircraft was ferried back to London, engine number four was replaced and major work was undertaken to return the 747 to service.

Following its emergency landing at Halim Airport in Jakarta, the crew and passengers of British Airways Flight 009 stayed for several days in Jakarta. Some stayed at the Sahid Jaya Hotel and some stayed at the Sari Pan Pacific Hotel, while the first class passengers were flown to Perth in a UTA Airlines flight. While staying in Jakarta, the passengers and crew of British Airways Flight 009 got the chance to have a tour of the city and visited Taman Mini Indonesia Indah. After two days in Jakarta, the passengers and crew of British Airways Flight 009 were flown by another British Airways flight to Perth, Australia and Auckland, New Zealand.

Although the airspace around Mount Galunggung was closed temporarily after the accident, it was reopened days later. Only after a Singapore Airlines 747 was forced to shut down three of its engines while it was flying through the same area 19 days later, on 13 July, would Indonesian authorities close the airspace permanently and reroute airways to avoid the area. A watch was set up to monitor clouds of ash. Flight 009 was not the first encounter with that eruption; a Garuda DC-9 had encountered ash on 5 April 1982.

The crew received various awards, including the Queen's Commendation for Valuable Service in the Air for Moody, and medals from the British Airline Pilots' Association. G-BDXH's engineless flight entered the Guinness Book of Records as the longest glide in a non-purpose-built aircraft (this record has also been held by Air Canada Flight 143 in 1983 and Air Transat Flight 236 in 2001).

One of the passengers, Betty Tootell, wrote a book about the accident, All Four Engines Have Failed, and had managed to trace some 200 of the 247 passengers on the flight. In 1993, Tootell married fellow passenger James Ferguson, who had been seated in the row in front of her. She later noted: "The 28th December 2006 marks the start of our 14th year of honeymoon, and on the 24th June 2007, many passengers and crew will no doubt gather to celebrate the 25th anniversary of our mid-air adventure."

British Airways continued to operate the Flight 009 route from London Heathrow to Sydney, but in March 2012, the route was curtailed to Bangkok until July 2022, then it was terminated permanently.

The aircraft involved, G-BDXH, named City of Edinburgh, later renamed City of Elgin, was repaired and continued to fly for British Airways after the accident, before being sold to European Aviation Air Charter in January 2002. The aircraft was taken out of service in February 2004, and in July 2009, the then-30-year-old aircraft was broken up at a breaking facility at Bournemouth International Airport.

Captain Eric Moody died on 18 March 2024 at the age of 82.

In popular culture
The Discovery Channel Canada / National Geographic TV series Mayday featured Flight 009 in a 2007 episode titled "Falling From the Sky" which featured interviews with the flight crew and passengers, and a dramatization of the flight.

Episode 11 of BBC comedy television panel show QI XL (“Underthings”) broadcast a brief interview with Captain Moody, who was sitting in the audience when a question was asked about the incident.

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Talk:Hadith Qudsi

Does stating 4 Hadith Qudsi help to elucidate the meaning of Hadith Qudsi ? At most, one should be given. ---Mpatel (talk) 16:35, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

does a npov article in an encyclopedia allow PBUH and May Allah be pleased with him, etc? 68.171.249.134 17:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * For fairness, we don't have greetings for the Prophet - no PBUH, etc. Please take a look at Islam (for example) to see how He is addressed. Kimchi.sg 17:47, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Clues Brothers

See [] for discussion about User FWDixon/Bob Finnan's link spamming and plagiarism.

More on the link spamming and commercial advertising. Example removed spam link to appease edit filter Nickps (talk) 22:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC) is just a list of titles that all have links to Amazon. All of the books summaries were copied from Amazon. Every HB Digest title, Casefiles title, Clues Brothers title, Supermysteries title, Ultra Thriller title and so on has a link to Amazon and all summaries were copied from Amazon. Does that tell anyone something?

The link to The Unofficial Hardy Boys Web Page should be identified as a commercial link or removed. Most of the info was copied direct from the books themselves like the summary, artists, relase date, etc. Page was set up just to sell books. If web site advertising is going to be allowed lets at least describe the site that way. 69.205.9.31 18:48, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Merge with main hardy boys/redirect
There is nothing here that you can't find at the regular Hardy Boys page. I think this page should be simply changed to a redirect here: Clues Brothers--Entoaggie09 03:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

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George Capewell

George Joseph Capewell (June 26, 1843 – November 6, 1919) was an inventor and businessman who developed an automated process for the production of horse shoe nails and founded the Capewell Horse Nail Company.

Biography
Capewell was born in Birmingham, England, and came to the United States in 1845. He was educated in Woodbury, Connecticut, and went to work at fifteen for the Scoville Manufacturing Company in Waterbury, Connecticut. At twenty he was Mechanical Superintendent of Cheshire Manufacturing Company.

In 1870 he founded a business manufacturing metal devices of his own invention. The most well known was the Capewell Giant Nail Puller. In 1876, he began the invention of an automated process to produce horse nails. After years of frustration, failure, and the loss of thousands of dollars, a perfected machine was exhibited to investors in Hartford, Connecticut, in the fall of 1880. In 1881, Capewell formed the Capewell Horse Nail Company in Hartford, making it the horshoe nail capital of the world.

In 1887, he established two companies in England; the Capewell Horse Shoe Nail Company (Limited) and the Capewell Continental Patent Company (Limited). He worked as director in both of the companies.

He had to rebuild his factory after fire destroyed the building in 1902.

Capewell was among the passengers who attended the maiden voyage of the RMS Lusitania in September 1907.

Due to worker shortages during World War I, Capewell began hiring female workers. He opened a free daycare at the factory so that mothers could work without leaving their children at home.

Capewell was the holder of over 100 patents including the Capewell Giant Nail puller (patented 1872); the Capewell self-fastening cone-button (patented 1866); electric trucks; anti-friction roller bearings, revolving wheel-fender for carriages; a machine for forming glass buttons and ornaments; and a machine for driving and pulling tacks and nails.

He died on November 6, 1919.

The company continued to manufacture nails in Bloomfield, Connecticut, on machines designed by Capewell until it closed in 2012.

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Riccardo Zanella

Riccardo Zanella (27 June 1875 – 30 March 1959) was a Fiuman politician who was the only elected president of the short-lived Free State of Fiume.

Biography
Zanella was born to an Italian father and Slovene mother in Fiume, Austria-Hungary (present-day Croatia). He attended Hungarian Commercial School in Fiume and Budapest. Soon he was a teacher of bookkeeping in the same school in Fiume, but year later he resigned. During the clash between Liberalism and radicalism in Hungary, Zanella emerged as the local leader of the Kossuthist faction in Fiume. He became the leader of the Autonomist Association, known also as the Autonomist Party in Fiume, after Michele Maylender resigned in 1901.

With Zanella, the party abandoned its liberal stance and turned to the Kossuthist Independence Party for support. Embracing a staunch Italian nationalist stance (in its vehemence typical of the Kossuthists political style) his popularity grew especially among the lower and middle classes, eventually becoming elected mayor (Podestà) of Fiume in 1914, but the nomination was vetoed by the Emperor Franz Joseph. During World War I, Zanella fought in a Hungarian unit on the Russian front where he promptly deserted to the Russians.

In 1916 he arrived in Rome where he started an agitation campaign for the Italian annexation of Fiume. After the War ended in 1918 he came back to Fiume where he was greeted as a hero, but quickly distanced himself from the Italian National Council in Fiume that assumed the powers in the city. After Gabriele D'Annunzio on September 12, 1919, seized the city of Fiume, Zanella led the Autonomist opposition to D'Annunzio's regime of occupation and personal dictatorship. His chance came as D'Annunzio ignored the Treaty of Rapallo and declared war on Italy itself, finally surrendering the city in December 1920 after a bombardment by the Italian navy.

Zanella served in office as president of the Free State of Fiume from 5 October 1921 to 3 March 1922, when his term was cut short due to Italian occupation, following a fascist putsch. Italy formally annexed the territory on 16 March 1924. During the 1930's Zanella resided mainly in exile in Belgrade. Following World War II Zanella demanded the restoration of the Free State as a sovereign entity but failed to receive support for his idea at the United Nations Conference on International Organization in San Francisco. Nevertheless, he restated the request also to the London Council of Foreign Ministers in September 1945. Thereby he compared the Free State of Fiume, "submerged by an act of Fascist aggression" to that of Albania and Ethiopia. Moreover, he denied its annexation to Croatia or Yugoslavia, where it never belonged, since it was a country of the Holy Crown of Hungary. Zanella's efforts proved utterly unsuccessful and he died in exile in Rome in 1959.

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Kiger mustang

The Kiger mustang is a strain of mustang horse located in the southeastern part of the U.S. state of Oregon. The name applies only to wild-captured individuals and does not apply to their bred-in-captivity progeny, which are known as Kiger horses. The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) administers two herd management areas for Kiger mustangs in the Burns District—Kiger and Riddle Mountain, in the Steens Mountain area. DNA testing has shown that Kiger mustangs are descended largely from Spanish horses brought to North America in the 17th century, a bloodline thought to have largely disappeared from mustang herds before the Kiger horse populations were discovered in 1977.

Kiger mustangs are most often dun in color, although they are found in other solid colors. Compact and well-muscled in appearance, their coloration and phenotype make them some of the most desired by private buyers when horses are removed from the feral herds. The BLM rounds up the horses from the two herd management areas every three to four years, and auctions excess horses to the public, returning horses to public lands that meet the desired coloration and phenotype and sometimes exchanging horses between the two herds to maintain genetic diversity. Horses in private ownership may be registered in several breed associations, the largest and oldest being the Kiger Mesteño Association, established in 1988.

Characteristics
Kiger mustangs are most commonly dun in color, although the breed registry also allows bay, black and roan horses to be registered. There are numerous shades of dun, all variations on a tan base, and many shades have their own names. The Kiger Mesteño Association separates dun shades into four categories: dun, red dun, grulla, and claybank. "Dun" as used by the Kiger registry covers dun horses with black points, and adds the terms zebra dun, dusty dun, smutty dun or coyote dun, depending on the exact shade of body color. Red dun, or the variation "apricot dun", covers horses with points that are red, brown or flaxen. Grulla covers horses with blueish, mousy or slate-colored bodies and black points, and these horses may also be called lobo duns, olive grullas, silver grullas or smutty grullas. Claybank, another variation of red dun, describes Kiger horses who have golden body coats with red or orange tints and darker red points. Dun horses may have primitive markings, which include any of the following: a dorsal stripe, lightened outer guard hairs on the manes and/or tails, zebra-like stripes on the upper legs, transverse striping over the upper shoulders, dark color around the muzzle, and ears with dark outlines and lighter interiors.

Kiger mustangs generally stand high. They are compact, well-muscled horses with deep chests and short backs. In general, they are agile and intelligent, with the stamina and sure-footedness seen in many feral horse breeds. They are generally bold but gentle and calm. They are used for pleasure riding as well as endurance riding, assorted performance competition under saddle, driving, and many other situations where an athletic horse is desired.

History
Horses have been present in the American West since the 1500s, when they arrived with Spanish explorers. Many escaped, were released by the Spanish or stolen by Native Americans. Their descendants crossed with horses who escaped from or were released by other European settlers, including draft breeds brought by farmers and wagoneers and lighter riding horses brought by the United States Cavalry. Horses of French descent also moved across the border from Canada to contribute to the herds. The mixture of these breeds created the mustang present in the western portion of the US today. By the early 1970s, it was assumed that due to crossbreeding, the original Spanish stock had been eliminated from feral herds. In 1971, the Wild and Free-Roaming Horse and Burro Act was passed, giving the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) the authority to manage the feral horse populations in the American West.

Discovery of the Kiger mustang was the result of a BLM mustang roundup in the Beatys Butte area in Harney County in 1977. During the roundup, it was noticed that among the horses collected from the area, there was a group with similar color and markings. DNA testing by the University of Kentucky showed close relation to the Iberian horses brought to the Americas by the Spanish in the 17th century. These distinct horses were separated from the other horses and the BLM placed two groups in separate areas of Steens Mountain to preserve the breed. Seven horses were placed in the Riddle Mountain Herd Management Area (HMA) and twenty in the Kiger HMA.

In 2001, the Kiger mustang was proposed as the state horse of Oregon. State Senator Steve Harper proposed Senate Joint Resolution 10 after being encouraged to do so by the Kiger Mesteño Association. The resolution, however, failed to pass. Kiger mustangs have been used as models for model horses and animated films. The original herd stallion Mesteño was used as the model for a series of Breyer Horses, showing the horse at several ages from foal to old age. It was the first time the company had made a series of models showing the same horse. The artist's model for the title horse of the animated film Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron was a Kiger Mustang named Donner, who now lives at the Return to Freedom American Wild Horse Sanctuary.

BLM management and private ownership
The Kiger HMA, 45 mi southeast of Burns, Oregon, and 2 mi east of Diamond, Oregon, covers 36,618 acre and hosts a population that ranges between 51 and 83 horses. The Riddle Mountain HMA, 50 mi southeast of Burns, covers 28,000 acre and contains between 33 and 56 horses. Horses are sometimes exchanged between the herds to maintain the highest possible level of genetic diversity. After roundups, horses with the desired physical characteristics (including phenotype and coloration) are returned to the herds to maintain a high quality of breeding stock. The herds are rounded up every three to four years, and excess horses are auctioned to the public. At two of the more recent auctions, in 2007 and 2011, over 100 horses were auctioned at each event. The 2007 event resulted in 106 horses being adopted to homes in 14 states for a total of $100,206. The two horses with the highest bids went for $7,800 and $7,400. This is much higher than the adoption fees paid for other mustangs; horses removed from other herds in Oregon can be adopted for a walk-up fee of $125.

Genetic testing has shown that Kiger mustang is a descendant of the Colonial Spanish Horse. The bloodline of many of today's Kiger mustangs can be traced back to a single stallion named Mesteño, captured with the original herd in 1977 and released back to the Kiger HMA. Several organizations exist which inspect and register Kiger mustangs; each has its own standards for entry into the stud book. In 1988, the Kiger Mustang Association (now the Kiger Mesteño Association) was formed as the original registry for the herd. By 2013, the organization had registered around 800 horses, and annually inspects between 75 and 100 new horses. Two other associations are the Steens Mountain Kiger Registry, established in 1993, and the Kiger Horse Association and Registry. The Kiger mustangs of the Riddle Mountain and Kiger HMAs are the best known herds of mustangs in Oregon, despite making up only a small portion of the population. As of 2013, the state had a total estimated BLM-managed feral horse population of almost 2,600, roaming over 17 HMAs and a Wild Horse Territory co-managed with the US Forest Service. A census taken in April 2010 found 60 Kiger mustangs in the Riddle Mountain HMA and 81 in the Kiger HMA; estimates made in February 2013 list 40 horses in Riddle Mountain and 61 in Kiger.

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Talk:Sea cucumber

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Atlantic fishery
see https://www.google.com/search?q=sea+cucumber+atlantic+fishery&sxsrf=ALeKk01UTxmnnmwTuJWApRb-Gjik6MsyJQ%3A1623555149102&ei=TXzFYOLtBfK3ggeW-rz4Bg&oq=sea+cucumber+atlantic+fishery&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BwgjELADECc6CQgAELADEAgQHjoFCAAQkQI6BQguEJECOgIIADoGCAAQFhAeOggIIRAWEB0QHlD8HFi0MGDxM2gBcAB4AIABoQGIAZwRkgEEMC4xN5gBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrIAQPAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwiiyL2f1pPxAhXym-AKHRY9D28Q4dUDCA4&uact=5 for results showing Atlantic fishery--142.163.195.103 (talk) 03:36, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to add information about the Atlantic sea cucumber fishery to the article yourself. I would suggest keeping any addition short and citing just a couple of the available sources. Don't worry too much about formatting, particularly the citations. Other editors will almost certainly correct any mistakes in a short time. Personally, I have other things on my agenda, or I would take a stab at this myself. - Donald Albury 19:30, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Sea Cucumber War
Surely the article deserves a mention of the riots in the Galapagos Islands over annoyance at limits to fishermens' quotas for sea cucumber harvesting. — Llywelyn II   11:23, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

 * Could you point to a few reliable sources? Donald Albury 13:39, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Sea Cumbers in Popular Culture (formerly Art and Literature)
Hello: I returned to this article today to revisit three of the examples I'd read earlier there of sea cucumbers' appearance in literature, music, and art. But the majority of the content under the heading "In Popular Culture" had been deleted.

It's notable and curious that sea cucumbers have inspired diverse and wide-ranging artist responses. One of the examples deleted did seem fairly obscure, but the others were either central to the work noted (Poe and Satie) or provided a vivid demonstration of a popular and well-known creator's literary style (Cormac McCarthy). Their inclusion enriched the overall article, adding more cultural context to a mostly scientific entry.

I'm new to Wikipedia, but I believe this is the history of the edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sea_cucumber&diff=1219610637&oldid=1218022500

The editor's reason for the deletion was to remove "unsourced trivia". Again, I'm new to Wiki's editing terms, but that confused me because the examples were themselves sources. Does Plantdrew mean they needed citations?

Thanks for any help or guidance. Northseth007 (talk) 11:54, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes they need citations from reliable sources. The works alone are not appropriate sources. The need a secondary source describing the role of sea cucumbers in these works. See WP:SECONDARY. Wikipedia sourcing can take a bit of getting used to. —  Jts1882 | talk 12:06, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

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User:Rvlaw

www.imperial.ac.uk/chemistry see under Rob Law My interests are in solid state NMR and phospholipids and sterols.

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User talk:CPRice

Hi Chris! I hope you will stick around to do more than add links.

Welcome!

Hello,, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Where to ask a question, ask me on my talk page, or place  on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! --Peter Kirby 16:33, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
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Gospel of the Hebrews; the Historical Jesus
I would like to get your feedback on the information contained in two early-stage drafts of articles to replace existing ones, User:Peter Kirby/Gospel of the Hebrews and User:Peter Kirby/Historical Jesus. Thanks. --Peter Kirby 20:56, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Response
Peter, will do by this weekend. Layman 21:11, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry about reverting you on the Jesus-myth. I saw that it wasn't vandalism and went to replace your edits, but you had already done it. My mistake. Peace, delldot | talk 16:02, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

No problem Delldot, a group of Jesus-Myth proponents have laced the entire article with POV. I'm just trying to restore it while keeping some of their input that was not POV. Layman 16:04, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Linkspam
I see that you've been adding links to "Christian cadre" pages to a large number of articles; please don't do this. First, Wikipedia policy is to keep external links to a minimum, and secondly, spamming links across multiple articles is frowned upon in itself. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 23:12, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Can you direct me to any policy that I am supposedly violating? The links are all directly on point, and the ones I added today were to pages that did not have an over-abundance of links. Is this a "I know it when I see it standard"? Perhaps more to the point, I do not just anonymously drop in and add links to pages, I've identified myself on this page and have contributed to a number of wiki-articles in a substantive manner.

In any event, I'll lay it down for now unless I'm contributing to a particular page in a more substantive manner. Layman 23:30, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

 * The main source is External links; the section What should not be linked to includes:
 * "Standards are just as high, or even higher, for material linked to externally as it is for content added internally. Pages that are factually inaccurate or which contain unverified original research should not be linked to."
 * (My view of one or two of the links you provided is that they fitted this description.)
 * "In general, any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article here would have once it becomes an example of brilliant prose."
 * "Links that are added to promote a site, by the site operator or its affiliates."
 * "A website that you own or maintain (unless it is the official site of the subject of the article). If it is relevant and informative, mention it as a possible link on the talk page and wait for someone else to include it, or include the information directly in the article."
 * (This is the one about which suspicion is raised when one editor adds lots of links to the same site.)
 * In general, the use of links to evade the NPoV policy is deprecated, and adding links to two polarised sites doesn't help (NPoV isn't the same as balance).
 * The Meta-page, When should I link externally starts with the sentence: "Not very often." and that's a good rule of thumb. It goes on to say: "If the content is free (in the w:GNU FDL / free as in speech sense), consider copying and wikifying it for us. If it's not, you can cannibalise it. Extract the facts and rewrite it (in your own words since their words are copyright) or alternatively place a link to it in the talk page so that someone else can do so."
 * There are times when links are to sites that provide very detailed inforamtion that doesn't belong in a Wikipedia article, but none of the links to Christian Cadre were in that category.
 * I hope that that helps. To a certain extent it does involve an "I know it when I see it" standard, but there are more concrete standards and guidelines too. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:18, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Christian propaganda
Wikipedia is not a place for propaganda. Please do not promote your own point of view in articles. (Sugar Bear 19:29, 3 June 2006 (UTC))

It is not propoganda to correct a factually incorrect description of the game. The game does not put players on a mission to "convert or kill" nonChristians. It is hate speech like yours that needs to be countered. It is an outright lie to claim that the game is as you have described it on the relevant entry. Layman 21:23, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Your source of reference is a blog. That is not a valid source of information. (Sugar Bear 15:37, 4 June 2006 (UTC))

 * From Talk2Action's front page: "Last November, we launched Talk to Action as a national, interactive blog site on the religious right."

Did you notice that your source is an anti-Christian blog? Check the Discussion forum at the relevant entry. My sources are those gamers who have played the game and published reviews in gaming magazines. Yours is hate speech. Layman 16:19, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Please note that not all websites are blogs. Please do not try to claim otherwise in an attempt to claim that this website is not a valid source of information, which it IS, unlike the BLOG YOU linked to. (Sugar Bear 19:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC))

 * From Talk2Action's front page: "Last November, we launched Talk to Action as a national, interactive blog site on the religious right."

 * It certainly appeared to be a blog. It features short to medium range articles in sequence and allows comments (so long as you do not contradict the author).  I care not whether it is a blog or a site.  Neither one affects the credibility of the source.  There are good blogs and bad blogs.  Good sites and bad sites.  Whether a blog or a site, Talk2Action has proven itself uncredible.

 * I also help maintain a website. So are you saying that if I moved my blog post on the subject to the website that it would instantly be rendered credible?  Funny.  Layman 00:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Regarding your block
Hi, I noticed on Talk:Left Behind: Eternal Forces that you thought you were blocked. I looked into it and you were indeed blocked, but only for 24 hours because of a WP:3RR violation. You should be unblocked by now. Also, please note that I am the one who protected the article, but that protection is not at all an endorsement of the current revision. I protected it because of the revert war going on which was getting people like you blocked for 3RR. If you and others agree not to revert war any longer I'll unprotect the page. I'm sorry I missed your comments which were removed from the talk page. It is good that you at least made the attempt to discuss the issue on the talk page. Cheers, jaco ♫ plane  19:04, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I truly appreciate your efforts, but since the "other" side will not even discuss the game on the discussion board, how are we to avoid another revert war? Honestly, I think Wikipedia could get into trouble for disparaging -- with notice that the entry is wrong -- a commercial product that another company is trying to launch.  Layman 04:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I think the Left Behind company are the ones who are going to be in trouble, judging from the content of their propagandic video game. (Sugar Bear 19:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC))

 * Since their game is less violent than most of its kind and since you have been lying about the "convert or kill" mission of the game, I don't think they have much to worry about. Layman 20:20, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your work regarding the article on the "Left Behind: Eternal Forces" game. It's amazing how people are so obsessed with spreading lies about Christians and Christianity even in the face of undeniable facts. Please keep up the fight for truth and accuracy. God bless! Jinxmchue 03:15, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Appreciate the comment. Most of my links have been wiped out since then (except in the discussion page) but I think I got the word out about how some were so distorting the game.  Layman 15:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greenprint

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3 talk 12:13, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Greenprint
A minor printing service on the campus of Dartmouth. I left a friendly note to School and university projects - instructions for students on the talk page of the anon who created it. Nothing to see here. Doesn't deserve a redirect. Meelar (talk) 16:34, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Minor printing service? *Sigh* --PhilipO 20:09, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Transwiki to Dartmouthpedia Delete. - choster 01:07, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. --GraemeL (talk) 10:08, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete politely. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:08, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. per nom. Alf 13:40, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - not notable - Tεx  τ  urε  16:39, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
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Mikhail Artsybashev

Mikhail Petrovich Artsybashev (Михаи́л Петро́вич Арцыба́шев; Michał Arcybaszew; ; November 5, 1878 – March 3, 1927) was a Russian writer and playwright, and a major proponent of the literary style known as naturalism. He was the great-grandson of Tadeusz Kościuszko and father of Boris Artzybasheff, who emigrated to the United States and became famous as an illustrator. Following the Russian Revolution, in 1923 Artsybashev emigrated to Poland, where he died in 1927.

Early life
Artsybashev was born in khutor Dubroslavivka, Okhtyrka county, Kharkov Governorate (currently Sumy Oblast, Ukraine). His father was a small landowner and a former officer. His mother, who was Polish, died of tuberculosis when he was only three years old. His other ethnic roots included French, Georgian and Tatar. He attended school in Okhtyrka until the age of 16. From 1895 to 1897 he was an office worker. He studied at the Kharkov School of Drawing and Art (1897–98). During this time he lived in poverty, and was often unable to buy art supplies. In 1897 he attempted suicide. In 1898 he married Anna Vasilyevna Kobushko, with whom he had his son Boris. The couple separated in 1900.

Career
In 1898 he relocated to Saint Petersburg, where he worked as a freelance journalist, and published humorous stories. In 1901 he was expelled from the city for taking part in a demonstration. He wrote his first important work of fiction, the story Pasha Tumanov in 1901, but was unable to publish it until 1905 due to its being banned by the censor.

He considered his novel The Death of Ivan Lande (1904) to be his best work, but his major success was the novel Sanin (1907), which scandalized his Russian readers and was prohibited in many countries. He wrote Sanin in 1903, but was unable to publish it until 1907, again due to censorship. The protagonist of the novel ignores all social conventions and specializes in seducing virgin country girls. In one notorious scene, a girl tries to wash embarrassing white stains off her dress after sexual intercourse with Sanin, an incident omitted from the 1914 English version. The novel was written under the influence of the philosophy of Max Stirner, and was meant to expound the principles of Individualist anarchism.

Artsybashev said the following in regard to his development as a writer: "'My development was very strongly influenced by Leo Tolstoy, although I never shared his views on non-resistance to evil. As an artist he overpowered me, and I found it difficult not to model my work on his. Fyodor Dostoyevsky, and to a certain extent Anton Chekhov, played almost as great a part, and Victor Hugo and Johann Wolfgang von Goethe were constantly before my eyes. These five names are those of my teachers and literary masters.'"

In a 1913 interview he gave his views on literature: "'Common sense, consistency, argumentation, a clear and concrete idea of one's subject that constitutes the plot of the work, a thoughtful evaluation of the phenomena introduced in the novel, clarity and concreteness—these are the things I demand of a literary work.'"

He made this comment concerning Friedrich Nietzsche: "'It is often thought here (in Russia) that Nietzsche exercised a great influence over me. This surprises me, for the simple reason that I have never read Nietzsche. This brilliant thinker is out of sympathy with me, both in his ideas and in the bombastic form of his works, and I have never got beyond the beginnings of his books. Max Stirner is to me much nearer and more comprehensible.'"

Later life
Artsybashev moved to Moscow in 1912. In 1917–18 he published his anti-Bolshevik work Notes of a Writer. In 1923 he emigrated to Poland as an optant (his mother was Polish), where he edited the newspaper For Liberty! (За свободу!). He was an irreconcilable enemy of the Bolshevik regime, and Soviet critics dubbed the novels of his followers saninstvo and artsybashevchina (both terms are considered derogatory). He died in Warsaw on March 3, 1927, from tuberculosis and was buried at the Orthodox Cemetery in Warsaw.

English translations

 * The Millionaire, Ivan Lande, and Nina, (stories/short novels), B.W. Huebsch, NY, 1915. from Archive.org
 * The Revolutionist, (story), from Best Russian Short Stories, Boni and Liveright, 1917. from Archive.org
 * Tales of the Revolution, (stories/short novels), B.W. Huebsch, NY, 1917. from Archive.org
 * The Jew, (story), from The Shield, Alfred A. Knopf, NY, 1917. from Archive.org
 * War, (play), Grant Richards LTD, London, 1918. from Archive.org
 * Breaking Point, (novel), B.W. Huebsch, NY, 1920. from Archive.org
 * Sanin, (novel). from Gutenberg.org

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Talk:Super Mystery

See [] for discussion about User FWDixon/Bob Finnan's link spamming and plagiarism.

More on the link spamming and commercial advertising. Example http://hardyboys.bobfinnan.com/hbpb.htm is just a list of titles that all have links to Amazon. All of the books summaries were copied from Amazon. Every HB Digest title, Casefiles title, Clues Brothers title, Supermysteries title, Ultra Thriller title and so on has a link to Amazon and all summaries were copied from Amazon. Does that tell anyone something?

There is no info on the Supermystery series from either the Unofficial Hardy Boys Web Page or Unofficial Nancy Drew Web Page, only title listings. These are commercial links with no content on this series and should be identified as commercial links. This would be consistent with how the owner's link on the Nancy Drew page was handled. Otherwise the links should be removed. Also there are two links from this article to two web sites owned by the same person. This is not consistent with the one link per site per article rule which has been agreed to on the Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew. 69.205.9.31 18:33, 31 August 2005 (UTC) 69.205.9.31 18:40, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

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Frederick Calvert

Frederick Calvert may refer to:

 * Frederick Calvert, 6th Baron Baltimore (1731–1771), English nobleman
 * Frederick Crace Calvert (1819–1873), English chemist
 * Frederick Calvert (MP) (1806–1891), Member of Parliament for Aylesbury, 1850–1851
 * Frederick Calvert (footballer), football player
 * Frederick Baltimore Calvert (1793–1877), English actor and lecturer on elocution

title: Frederick Calvert


text: User:Mr Swine

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