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Larnelle Harris

Larnelle Steward Harris (born July 6, 1947) is an American gospel singer and songwriter. During his 40-plus years of ministry, Harris has recorded 18 albums, won five Grammy Awards and 11 Dove Awards, and has had several number one songs on the inspirational music charts.

Early life
A native of Danville, Kentucky, Harris started playing the drums at the age of nine. His first formal vocal training came when he attended college at Western Kentucky University, from which he graduated in 1969. Harris then became a part of the popular gospel touring group The Spurrlows (beginning as drummer). He received notability for his solo work and as member of the Gaither Vocal Band from 1984 through 1987.

Music
Perhaps Harris' best-known songs are his duets with Sandi Patty, "More than Wonderful" (1983) and "I've Just Seen Jesus" (1985). Others of his well received and popular songs are his self-penned "I Miss My Time With You" (1986) and "In It After All", written by Constant Change, a.k.a. Dawn Thomas, on his album I Can Begin Again (1989), on Benson Records. The song was a No. 1 radio hit.

Harris' song, "Mighty Spirit" was featured in a 1993 television campaign for the Points of Light Foundation, headed by President George H. W. Bush. He performed the song for Bush and his wife Barbara at the White House. His recording of "All Along the Way", co-written by Greg Nelson and Dan Schafer, reached the No. 1 spot on the CCM Inspirational chart, and stayed for five weeks. His 1995 album, Unbelievable Love, received the 1996 Dove Award as Inspirational Album of The Year.

Harris has received an honorary doctorate of music from Campbellsville University in central Kentucky. He was inducted into the Western Kentucky University Hall of Distinguished Alumni in 1993.

Television work
Harris has appeared live on television series such as Live with Regis and Kathie Lee, The 700 Club, several Billy Graham crusades, and the Trinity Broadcasting Network. He has appeared on numerous Gaither Homecoming shows, and his own Christmas special. In his hometown of Louisville, Kentucky, Harris has made many appearances on the WHAS Crusade for Children, a long-running local telethon benefitting children's charities.

Personal life
Harris met his wife Cynthia (Mitzi) while both were students at Western Kentucky University. They have two children Lonnie (Larnelle Jr.) and Teresa. They have lived in Louisville for more than three decades. Despite his schedule, Harris serves as a deacon in his home church, and previously served as its treasurer. Harris is well known within the gospel music industry for his reluctance to schedule performances that take him away from his family for any length of time.

With First Gear

 * 1972: First Gear featuring Larnelle Harris (Myrrh 6505)
 * 1974: Caution!Steep Hill Use First Gear (Myrrh 6515)

Solo

 * 1975: Tell It To Jesus
 * 1977: Larnelle...More
 * 1978: Free
 * 1980: Give Me More Love in My Heart
 * 1982: Touch Me Lord
 * 1985: I've Just Seen Jesus
 * 1986: From a Servant's Heart
 * 1987: The Father Hath Provided
 * 1988: Larnelle...Christmas
 * 1989: I Can Begin Again
 * 1990: Larnelle Live...Psalms Hymns & Spiritual Songs (with the Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir)
 * 1992: I Choose Joy
 * 1994: Beyond All the Limits
 * 1995: Unbelievable Love (Dove Award, Inspirational Album of The Year)
 * 1998: First Love
 * 2001: A Story to Tell
 * 2003: Pass the Love
 * 2005: I Want to Be a Star
 * 2017: Disturb Us, Lord

Compilations

 * 1991: The Best of 10 Years, Vol. 1&2
 * 1986: The Best of Larnelle

Appearances on other albums

 * 1991: Live with Friends The Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir; "I Can Be Glad"
 * 1992: Handel's Messiah: A Soulful Celebration
 * 1993: The New Young Messiah; "Ev'ry Valley Shall Be Exalted", "Surely He Hath Borne Our Griefs"
 * 1994: Promise Keepers: A Life That Shows; "In a Way That Matters"
 * 1994: Stories & Songs of Christmas; "Silent Night"
 * 1994: Saviour: The Story of God's Passion for His People (with Steve Green, Twila Paris, Wayne Watson, Wintley Phipps)
 * 1995: Christmas Carols of the Young Messiah; "Amen"
 * 1995: Master Pieces – Classic Songs Made New; "Just A Little Talk With Jesus"
 * 1995: Hymns & Voices; "It Is Well with My Soul", "The Lord's Prayer"
 * 1996: Emmanuel: A Musical Celebration of the Life of Christ; "Rejoice Emmanuel"
 * 1997: God With Us: A Celebration of Christmas Carols & Classics; "Go Tell It on the Mountain"
 * 1998: Ralph Carmichael and Friends Live; "Here and Now I Believe"
 * 2000: Vestal & Friends, Vol. 2 Vestal Goodman; "The Lamb Has Brought Us Home"

Video

 * 1991: Larnelle Live: My Time With You (VHS)
 * 1992: I Choose Joy (VHS)
 * 1994: Sparrow TV Dinners (VHS) various artists; "Teach Me to Love", duet with Steve Green
 * 2002: More Than the Music ...Live (VHS) various artists; "The Lord's Prayer"
 * 2005: Timeless: Concert of Faith & Inspiration (various artists)
 * 2013: Live in Nashville

Gaither Homecoming performances

 * 1993: A Christmas Homecoming "Amen"
 * 1996: Homecoming Texas Style "Amen"
 * 1998: Down By The Tabernacle "I Go To The Rock"
 * 1999: Kennedy Center Homecoming "America, the Beautiful", "I've Just Seen Jesus" duet with Sandi Patty
 * 2002: God Bless America "Jesus Saves"
 * 2002: Let Freedom Ring "More Than Wonderful" with Sandi Patty
 * 2003: Going Home "Friends in High Places"
 * 2004: Dottie Rambo with Homecoming Friends "I Go to the Rock"
 * 2004: We Will Stand "Dream On"
 * 2005: Israel Homecoming "Amen"
 * 2005: Jerusalem Homecoming "I Walked Today Where Jesus Walked"
 * 2009: Gaither Vocal Band Reunion Volume 1 "Your First Day in Heaven", "Can't Stop Talking About Him", "A Few Good Men"
 * 2009: Gaither Vocal Band Reunion Volume 2 "Dream On", "Build An Ark", "The Love of God"
 * 2011: Alaskan Homecoming "How Great Thou Art", "The Star-Spangled Banner"
 * 2011: Majesty "I've Just Seen Jesus" with Ladye Love Smith
 * 2011: Tent Revival Homecoming "I Don't Want to Get Adjusted"
 * 2011: The Old Rugged Cross "His Eye Is on the Sparrow"

Grammy Awards

 * 1983: Best Gospel Performance by Duo or Group for "More Than Wonderful" with Sandi Patty
 * 1985: Best Gospel Performance by Duo or Group for "I've Just Seen Jesus" with Sandi Patty
 * 1985: Best Solo Gospel Performance for "How Excellent Is Thy Name"
 * 1987: Best Gospel Performance, Male for The Father Hath Provided
 * 1988: Best Gospel Performance, Male for Larnelle...Christmas

GMA Dove Awards

 * 1981: Contemporary Gospel Album of the Year for Give Me More Love in My Heart
 * 1983: Male Vocalist of the Year
 * 1983: Inspirational Album of the Year for Touch Me Lord
 * 1986: Inspirational Album of the Year for I've Just Seen Jesus
 * 1986: Male Vocalist of the Year
 * 1988: Songwriter of the Year
 * 1988: Male Vocalist of the Year
 * 1992: Inspirational Album of the Year for Larnelle Live...Psalms, Hymns & Spiritual Songs
 * 1993: Inspirational Album of the Year for Generation 2 Generation
 * 1996: Inspirational Album of the Year for Unbelievable Love

Inducted into the Gospel Music Association Foundation Hall of Fame on October 29, 2007

Other honors

 * Silver Bell Award for Distinguished Public Service presented by Ad Council
 * Cashbox Magazine Award for Contemporary Gospel Single of the Year for "I Can Begin Again"
 * Stellar Award, Best Solo Performance by Male Contemporary for "The Father Hath Provided"
 * Singing News Fan Award for Favorite Black Artist
 * The Christian Music Hall of Fame (inducted in 2007)
 * Western Kentucky University Hall of Distinguished Alumni – Inducted 1993

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Prague International Organ Festival

Prague International Organ Festival (Mezinárodní varhanní festival Audite Organum) is a festival for organ lovers, held annually in Prague, presenting a series of concerts by well-known organ virtuosos from all over the world. The inaugural edition was in 1996. The venue where the concerts are held is the stunning baroque St. James Basilica right beside Prague's Old Town square.

Organists

 * Czech republic: Aleš Bárta, Jaroslav Tůma, Jiří Ropek, Petr Rajnoha, Kamila Klugarová, Václav Uhlíř, Jan Hora
 * France: Marie-Claire Alain, Susan Landale, Eric Lebrun, Thierry Escaich, Daniel Roth, Naji Hakim
 * Germany: Johannes Geffert, Andreas Meisner
 * Italy: Luciano Zecca, Alessandro Bianchi
 * Poland: Roman Perucki, Waclaw Golonka, Robert Grudzien
 * Switzerland: Lionel Rogg, Guy Bovet,
 * USA: Carol Williams, Karel Paukert, Stephen Tharp
 * Belgium: Eric Hallein, Kristiaan Seynhaave
 * Canada: Philip Crozier
 * Slovakia: Imrich Szabó
 * Netherlands: Ben van Oosten
 * Austria: Gunther Rost, Peter Planyavsky
 * Japan: Hiroko Imai, Eiko Maria Yoshimura
 * Great Britain: David Titterington
 * Hungary: Zsuzsa Elekes
 * Norway: Halgier Schiager
 * Sweden: Juan Paradel Solé

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terje Laimets

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The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3 talk 17:12, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Terje Laimets
No entries on IMDB, and has a very poor google score (with this wikipedia article the only one being in English), so I can't attempt to save it. If anyone else can, good luck! Created by anon IP last November, with only mop-and-bucket edits since. Delete. The JPS 00:00, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, seems to be a vanity page. Martg76 00:36, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Amren 01:43, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Overeating

It is very simplistic to say that overeating is a symptom. Don't we all overeat at times? How does one distinguish between normal and irrational overeating? JFW | T@lk  23:58, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

I think that the "specific definition" for this article would be:

"Excessive consumption of food in relation to energy expended that persists over a period of time that leads to weight gain. It is sometimes linked with bulemia, depression, and other problems.

Over-eating is also common during festive periods and when going on holiday - often leading to short-lived use of gyms and exercise regimes.

Animals that hibernate often consume large quantities of food in the late autumn, to enable them to survive the winter."

Expand as required (the second paragraph is tongue in cheek, even though the point is relevant (and is, I presume, what Jfdwolff| is referring to).

212.85.15.69 17:55, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Overeating is simply eating too much food. Overeating is most typical when someone is very hungry or on special occasions when food is a gathering point. Considered an aspect of "normal" eating (i.e., is not considered disordered eating), since minimal health consequences result. Although people typically feel guilty after overeating, overeating is common among normal weight and moderately overweight people (about 55% of the population). Intense shame and embarrassment are not typical with overeating. Triggers can also include environmental stress.

People who engage in twelve-step treatment for "compulsive overeating" make reference to the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous http://www.aa.org/bigbookonline/en_tableofcnt.cfm in defining the difference between a "compulsive overeater" and a "hard eater." The Big Book, talks about the difference between an alcoholic and a hard drinker. The hard drinker is someone who, upon realizing that he is damaging his life or his body, can stop or moderate his drinking. An alcoholic is someone who, even though realizing that alcohol is damaging his life or his body, and even though realizing that his drinking is out of control, continues to find the "insanely trivial excuse" for continuing to drink -- and therefore cannot stop drinking. Those in the twelve-step rooms for eating disorders believe that the same is true for food. The "hard eater" upon noticing that he or she is 30 lbs overweight or even 100 lbs overweight, makes a decision to reform and then does so. The addict, the true "compulsive overeater," like the alcoholic described in the Big Book, cannot stop eating without a "vital spiritual experience" as described in the Big Book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.163.109 (talk) 02:44, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

PWS
Also reference to Praeder Willi (spelling?) Syndrome should be included

 * You mean Prader-Willi syndrome? JFW | T@lk  12:13, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes. The topic should be divided into "Medical" conditions (ie PWS and bulemia etc) and "non-Medical" (ie ordinary overeating, seasonal overindulgence etc) - using non-technical definitions.

Overeating for hibernation, long journeys etc does not count.

Question
I tend to eat a great deal of food, but I am an athlete and train 14 times per week (2 workouts per day... morning and afternoon) and as a result stay remarkably thin at 6'0" and 188. My question is: Is my appetite dependant on my athleticism? I have been an athlete most of my life, so I have nothing to base the question on, but if I stopped training, would my appetite compensate and decrease, or would I continue overeating?

I realize this isn't the proper forum for questions, but I was just curious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ubergenius (talk • contribs) 00:33, 1 February 2007

 * According to a letter to New Scientist, experiments by Jean Mayer showed that the amount people (and rodents) eat increases with exercise, but only if the amount of exercise is over a certain threshold. Below this threshold, their appetite would be higher the less exercise they did! Eric Kvaalen (talk) 19:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

The relevant question here is "Are you exercising so that you can eat more or are you eating more because you have exercised?" If the former is true, you may be an exercise bulimic, a type of compulsive overeater. If the latter is true, you are just an athlete. If you are a compulsive overeater, you will not be able to decrease your eating just because you stop exercising, and you will gain weight. If you are a normal eater and athlete, you will be able to moderate your intake of food based on your activity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.163.109 (talk) 02:31, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

 * You seem to be saying the proof of the pudding is in the not eating. 5.81.165.128 (talk) 11:57, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Merge with Compulsive overeating
These two articles discuss practically the same subject. "Compulsive" overeating is certainly a subset of overeating, therefore it would make sense to make "Compulsive overeating" a section in this article. Neelix (talk) 17:57, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Oppose merging with "overeating". Compulsive overeating (also called "emotional eating") is an addictive behavior, and very different from simple overeating due to lack of nutrition knowledge or careless inattention. A compulsive overeater cannot just decide to stop overeating - that's the key difference. It's an addictive behavior and comprises a large and separate body of knowledge. It should be treated as a separate topic. Scanter (talk) 15:27, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Support merge at the moment as both together overlap to the point that would be most accurately discussed in the one article. Ambiguity in the use of "compulsive" and how it is applied complicates a split. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:54, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Opposed The term "compulsive overeater" is a psychiatric term, which refers to a particular mental illness. Anyone can overeat, for instance at a holiday or party.  An overeater is not necessarily someone who suffers from the mental illness of "compulsive overeating."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.163.109 (talk) 02:36, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Support per Casliber. The IP editor has a point, but words like "compulsive" and "addiction" are really quite murky. "Feeling disgust or hatred for one's body" is listed in this article a cause of overeating, but if one feels compelled to eat a lot, even once, for such a reason, you could argue that the act was...well, compulsive--and psychologically troublesome. Even so, you could also argue that individual, isolated instances of overeating are not notable enough to warrant an article emphatically devoted to them. If someone has too much turkey on Christmas, so what? Why is this article-worthy? From either angle, I'd say a merge is warranted. Cosmic Latte (talk) 16:47, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Meaning
Does overeating refer to the amount one eats at a time or the calories one consumes. It is not clear in the article. For example, if one eats 2kg of chopped tomatoes, this still is only 400kcal's, which still is too low even for a single meal, while its can be considered "overeating". Still eating this amount of tomatoes wouldnt cause central obesity, even after doing so for a prolonged amount of time (actually you might even lose weight).

Answer: Overeating simply means eating more than what the body needs for fuel, very simple and straightforward. The complication comes when you ask why. People overeat for vastly different reasons. Some people overeat just because they don't have knowledge about nutrition and portion sizes and they eat too much fast food and packaged food. You educate them, and they stop overeating. Other people overeat as an addictive behavior - this is compulsive overeating, also called "emotional eating". A compulsive overeater cannot just decide to stop. A compulsive overeater is usually very well aware of what he or she "should" be eating, but cannot do it. To stop compulsive overeating requires dealing with the underlying addictive component. This is completely different from simple overeating and very much warrants its own topic. Scanter (talk) 15:35, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

other medications that can cause over-eating
Anti-depressants, especially SSRIs, some hormonal contraceptives, and probably other medications can also cause over-eating --  TyrS  chatties  06:26, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

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Tucker Carlson: Unfiltered
"Recently, WETA has produced Tucker Carlson: Unfiltered, hosted by conservative commentator, Tucker Carlson as part of the Republican effort to make PBS more conservative. Despite the controversy generated, WETA continues to be regarded as a positive force in the Washington, DC area."

I feel strongly that PBS has moved recently to balance itself, and the Republican Party had little directly to do with it. The above statement is clearly of the point of view that the Republicans are ruining public television. I propose to either delete the segment of text, or to change it as follows:

"Recently, WETA has produced Tucker Carlson: Unfiltered, hosted by conservative commentator, Tucker Carlson as part of an effort to provide a balanced perspective. WETA continues to be regarded as a positive force in the Washington, DC area."

Old Blindness Movie
I recently posted an inquiry about an old movie i saw in the 80s on WETA. Please see "Talk:Blindness" for the deatils. it was about a guy stung by a big plant who woke up the morning after a comet visited earth to find everyone having gone blind. Would really like to remember the name. -Husnock 18:25, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

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Author, Author!
as near as I can tell from the WETA website, this podcast ended in 2008. If so, I question whether it is still relevant, particularly in view of all the other currently produced programs and podcasts that are not mentioned in the article. GodaiNoBaka (talk) 03:30, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation
There should be a disambiguation from WETA workshops https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C4%93t%C4%81_Workshop, particularly as both operate in the same industry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.93.146.3 (talk) 16:52, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Sylvester McCoy

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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 07:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Misquote
The "Scratch the Victorian veneer" line is misquoted and misattributed. The line is "Scratch the Victorian veneer, and something nasty'll come crawling out", and is spoken by Ace, not the Doctor. --62.254.0.32 23:59, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Succession box
If this is supposed to be a general biography of Sylvester McCoy, why does it have that "preceded by.... succeeded by" box at the end? Did those guys take over his role in 'Tiswas'?

Seriously, if you want to maintain any pretence that this is more than a 'Doctor Who'-centric article, you should clear that up. If not, you should change the title to reflect the specific subject matter.

Fourohfour 11:38, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't agree. If you look at the Edward Heath article, it shows a similar succession box at the bottom of the biography for all the high offices he has held. In Sylvester's case, whilst he has had a long and varied career, he hasn't to my knowledge played any other roles which have a succession box. If the situation changes, they would be added to the article in the same place. DavidFarmbrough 13:19 (BST) 12 September 2005
 * I'm not sure that this is quite the same case. Anyway, I have no problem with the article emphasising his Doctor Who work if that's what he's most famous for, nor with the inclusion of the box. The only qualm I have is the lack of explanation surrounding such boxes (for *all* actors who've played the Doctor- note that some have done quite a lot of work before and since); if they had an inconspicuous title a la 'Doctor Who lineage' (I'm sure you or someone else can think of something better), it would be fine. Fourohfour 13:12, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure what you mean by "lack of explanation". All the articles mention their Doctor Who work prominently. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 13:55, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

 * The succession box does need clarifying - Baker and McGann didn't preceed and succeed McCoy as the 'Seventh Doctor', after all. It *is* misleading written in that way. Angmering 15:25, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I changed that from simply "The Doctor" because that doesn't take advantage of the fact that we have individual Doctor articles. Or should it read "The Doctor" and then "Seventh Doctor" on the next line? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 15:47, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Probably in brackets after the "The Doctor", I would have thought. Something along those lines, anyway. Angmering 15:59, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Partnership with David Rappaport
McCoy also appeared in the BBC Children's programme JIGSAW as one of the double-O men. This duo would appear whenever one of the hosts said six words containing a 'oo' in the middle. The other double-O man was David Rappaport. Both men would later work together again on TISWAS. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.9.79.178 (talk • contribs) 00:15, February 13, 2006 (UTC)

Scottish
"He's a scottish actor" is said in the opening. "Irish mother, english father, raised in Dublin" is said slightly later on. How is he scottish? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robin.lemstra (talk • contribs) 13:43, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Colourblind
Is he really colourblind? In SpaceCadets http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Cadets_%28game_show%29 he says he is when talking about the incredible hulk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxWOUZHMC8I&feature=related Or was this just a joke? Centerone (talk) 09:18, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Fan-Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34YiRvlE39c - More info for his page, if someone likes to extract it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.1.128.92 (talk) 07:40, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

McCoys Doctor who killed off Doctor who for 16 years!
McCoys Doctor was so bad that Grade cancelled the show, 'permanently' in 1989. It came back in 2005 with a sooo much better portrayal by Eccleston. Smith took it back to its silly ways. Capaldi will hopefully take it away from being a kids show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.168.29.40 (talk) 22:30, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTFORUM -- Red rose64 (talk) 23:47, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Little Shop of Horrors
I can confirm that McCoy played Mushnik in Little Shop and I have a programme from the performance saying so. Anyone able to tell me how I can cite it? CaptainPedge |  Talk  |  Guestbook  23:21, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

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Nicest and most chill actor I've ever met
This guy was the most humble person I'd ever met, much less most humble actor. He didn't ask for anything, didn't ask anyone not to take pictures, chatted with me, great guy. I didn't make it into a line with another actor who was more popular, and his table was empty. I'll forever appreciate the short moment he took to chat.

The Caucasian Chalk Circle.
I saw McCoy in a Young Vic production of [|The Caucasian Chalk Circle], many years ago.

In the mid 80s, from what I recall.

Is there any chance someone could dig up a reference To that, and add it to this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cuddy2977 (talk • contribs) 17:23, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Azdak
I saw a version of The Caucasian Chalk Circle, many years ago: at the Young Vic … I think!

It stuck in my mind, as Sylvester McCoy played Azdak.

Can someone find a reference to this version and include it, somehow? I’m having no luck!

Cuddy2977 (talk) 17:10, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Jackanory
The article says McCoy read a version of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory on Jackanory.

But, according to [|this] article, the story was read by Elaine Stritch.

Is it possible to get that cleaned up?

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Sara Persson

Sara Lisa Sofia Persson (born 23 September 1980) is a Swedish badminton player. Persson won the women's singles title at the Swedish National Championships in 2002 representing Täby Badmintonförening (now Göteborgs BK), and repeating it consecutively from 2005-2008. She competed at the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games, but defeated in the first round to Petya Nedelcheva of Bulgaria with the score 10–21, 10–21. Her sister, Johanna Persson, is also an Olympian who competed at the 2004 Summer Olympics in Athens, Greece.

BWF International Challenge/Series
Women's singles
 * BWF International Challenge tournament
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Wright's Opera House

Wright's Opera House, sometimes referred to as Wright's Hall, was constructed in 1888 and is located at 472 Main Street in Ouray, Colorado. For many years after the mining bust and subsequent end of performances it was used as a multi-use building for presentations and community events. From 1979 to 1996 it was the home of the San Juan Odyssey, a multimedia presentation narrated by eventual Ouray mayor Bill Fries. Around the year 2000 it was converted into a movie theater which operated until late 2006. Currently it serves as a movie house and performing arts and special events rental venue.

This structure is a contributing property to the Ouray Historic District on the National Register of Historic Places.

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Lawrence Morley

Lawrence Whitaker Morley (February 19, 1920 – April 22, 2013) was a Canadian geophysicist and remote sensing pioneer. He was best known for his studies on the magnetic properties of the oceanic crust and their effect on plate tectonics and for starting the remote sensing program in Canada.

Biography
Morley worked on the theory of continental drift similar to work by Britons Fred Vine and Drummond Matthews. The three contributed significantly to geology by relating the magnetic properties of ocean crust to the processes involved in the theory of plate tectonics. Following graduate studies at the University of Toronto, Morley became Director of the Geophysics Branch of the Geological Survey of Canada in Ottawa (1950–1969). In 1970 he founded the Canada Centre for Remote Sensing and served as its Director General from 1971 to 1980.

In 1974, Morley received an honorary degree from York University. He approached the university's faculty of science in 1985 to promote the creation of an institute of space research, which was founded by himself in 1986 as the Institute for Space and Terrestrial Science (ISTS).

Morley served as a radar officer for the Royal Canadian Navy during the Battle of the Atlantic during the Second World War. He has published over 65 scientific and technical papers on mineral exploration and remote sensing.

Morely was the founding Chairman of the Canadian Remote Sensing Society in 1974. In 1986 he received first Gold Medal of the Canadian Remote Sensing Society. In 2013 the Gold Medal was renamed the Larry Morley Gold Medal in his honor. Morley was awarded a Gold Medal from the Royal Canadian Geographical Society in 1995 and in 2015 was inducted into the Canadian Science and Engineering Hall of Fame.

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List of places in Pennsylvania: Sa–Si

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Space War

Space War is a video game cartridge released by Atari, Inc. in 1978 for the Atari Video Computer System (renamed to the Atari 2600 in 1982). The game is a version of Spacewar!, the 1962 computer game by Steve Russell. It was released by Sears as Space Combat, for its Atari compatible Tele-Games system. An Atari Lynx update was planned but never released.

Variations
The cartridge includes 17 game variations. Variations 1–13 are duels between two ships and 14 to 17 are for one player. In some of the variations the ships fight near a planet which has gravitational attraction.

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Category: Geographical features of Greece to Category:Geography of Greece

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The result of the debate was Merge. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 05:00, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * This should be merged to Geography of Greece, as always. Darwinek 14:44, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. - choster 22:15, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge/delete, Pavel Vozenilek 02:42, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge. No argument. siafu 17:46, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
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Category:Women composers

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The result of the debate was No consensus (no change). ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 00:40, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Speedy delete. Recreation. And we should make a central decision about this issue some time soon. Radiant_ >|< 12:11, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy per nom, tag already placed. ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  18:26, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * If it was decided recently to delete it (which I vaguely remember it was) it should have been speedied with link to this vote. Pavel Vozenilek
 * True. I only listed it here to get Pearle's help in cleaning it out. Radiant_ >|< 08:10, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep IMO this refusal to acknowledge the significance of gender is one of Wikipedia's most misguided policies. Osomec 00:41, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep This is an instance where persistent recreation argues that the decision to delete was over-hasty. Septentrionalis 21:35, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Agree with Osomec and Septentrionalis. Incidentally has this specific category every been discussed for deletion before? If not, why have people been trying to delete it? -- RHaworth 10:21:10, 2005-08-26 (UTC)
 * Keep. If there is a policy then this one is an exception. Meggar 18:34, 2005 August 28 (UTC)

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Category: Aliens to Category: Extraterrestrials

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The result of the debate was Rename. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 00:51, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Former is ambiguous and while perhaps more popular may mean a variety of things. Marskell 09:11, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename. No argument. siafu 14:52, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
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 * Rename, K1Bond007 04:52, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

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Solid Rock (The Temptations album)

Solid Rock is a 1972 album by The Temptations for the Gordy (Motown) label, produced by Norman Whitfield. The LP was the first made primarily without founding members and original lead singers Eddie Kendricks and Paul Williams. Frustrated by conflicts and fights with Temptations Otis Williams and Melvin Franklin, and producer Whitfield's steadfast insistence on producing psychedelic soul for the group when they really wanted to sing ballads, Kendricks had quit the act and negotiated a solo deal with Motown's Tamla label.

Paul Williams, on the other hand, had fallen ill due to complications from sickle-cell disease and six years of untreated alcoholism. Physically incapable of performing any longer, Williams followed his doctor's advice and retired from the act, although he remained on the Temptations' payroll as a choreographer until his death, August 17, 1973. Williams's final Temptations recording, "It's Summer", is the only song on Solid Rock that includes his vocals. The album reached number one on the Billboard R&B album chart on March 4, 1972.

Overview
The Temptations group's paranoia-laced "Smiling Faces Sometimes", a Kendricks-led tune from the Sky's the Limit LP, was already slated as the follow-up to the number-one hit "Just My Imagination (Running Away with Me)". With Kendricks now gone, and with the group lacking a first tenor to take his place, Norman Whitfield was forced to change plans.

Whitfield took the temporarily four-man Temptations and re-recorded "It's Summer", the b-side to "Ball of Confusion (That's What the World Is Today)", as a replacement release. "Smiling Faces Sometimes" was instead released as a single for The Undisputed Truth, and became a Top 5 hit on the Billboard Hot 100. Meanwhile, "It's Summer" peaked at number fifty-one on the Billboard Hot 100, making it the first Temptations single to miss the Top 40 since 1963's "Farewell My Love".

Although Paul Williams kept up an alliance with the Temptations, Kendricks and fellow ex-Temptation David Ruffin vocally spoke out against the group (and Otis Williams in particular) in several 1971 interviews. As a result, the Temptations and Norman Whitfield released the single "Superstar (Remember How You Got Where You Are)", which addressed the rivalry and called Kendricks and Ruffin out as sell-outs. "Superstar" was the first Temptations song to feature Kendricks and Williams' replacements, Damon Harris and Richard Street. Ricky Owens from The Vibrations had been the Temptations' original choice for a new first tenor, but Owens only remained with the group a few weeks before being replaced.

Solid Rock's third single, "Take a Look Around", was a Top 30 hit which showcased Harris' Kendricksesque falsetto voice alongside the leads of Richard Street, Dennis Edwards, Otis Williams, and Melvin Franklin. "Take a Look Around" and several of the album tracks, including "What It Is?" and "Stop the War Now", were more of Norman Whitfield's psychedelic soul recordings. By 1972, such songs were being seen by critics and the public as outdated or heavy-handed, and the Temptations themselves became uninterested in the psychedelic songs. Whitfield began adding stronger soul and funk influences to future message tracks, reducing the psychedelic influences present in these and earlier such songs.

Track listing
All tracks produced by Norman Whitfield

Side one

 * 1) "Take a Look Around" – 2:44 (Barrett Strong, Norman Whitfield) (lead singers: Dennis Edwards, Damon Harris, Melvin Franklin, Richard Street, Otis Williams)
 * 2) "Ain't No Sunshine" – 7:16 (Bill Withers) (lead singers: Richard Street, Damon Harris)
 * 3) "Stop the War Now" – 12:28 (Strong, Whitfield) (lead singers: Dennis Edwards, Melvin Franklin)

Side two

 * 1) "What It Is?" – 5:15 (Strong, Whitfield) (lead singers: Dennis Edwards, Damon Harris, Richard Street)
 * 2) "Smooth Sailing (From Now On)" – 2:48 (Strong, Whitfield) (lead singer: Damon Harris)
 * 3) "Superstar (Remember How You Got Where You Are)" – 2:53 (Strong, Whitfield) (lead singers: Dennis Edwards, Damon Harris, Melvin Franklin, Richard Street, Otis Williams)
 * 4) "It's Summer" – 2:56 (Strong, Whitfield) (lead singer: Dennis Edwards, Richard Street, Paul Williams, Melvin Franklin)
 * 5) "The End of Our Road" – 2:41 (Strong, Whitfield, Roger Penzabene) (lead singer: Richard Street)

Personnel

 * Dennis Edwards – vocals (tenor/baritone)
 * Melvin Franklin – vocals (bass)
 * Otis Williams – vocals (second tenor/baritone)
 * Damon Harris – vocals (first tenor/falsetto)
 * Richard Street – vocals (tenor/baritone)
 * Paul Williams – vocals (baritone) ("It's Summer" only)
 * Norman Whitfield – producer
 * Barrett Strong – lyricist
 * The Funk Brothers – instrumentation

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User:AKA Panama Jack

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I have been writing programs for computer systems since 1976 when I joined the Air Force in Computer Information Systems. I bought my first computer in 1977. It was the venerable Radio Shack TRS-80. I have been writing programs for various computers ever since.

I created the first 6 voice stereo hardware module for the Commodore 64/128 along with the Stereo Player for SID music.

I created Digiplayer for the Commodore 64 which would play Amiga IFFs, MAC sound files, PC WAV files and RAW files.

I created the music player module for the Quantum Link online service which eventually evolved into AOL.

I was a software developer on the Commodore C-65 designing the music, digital audio and text to speech software. Sadly Commodore folded before that nifty computer could be finalized.

I have worked on various projects over the years varying from commercial applications to online games. Way too many to mention here without completely boring everyone to death, if I haven't done so already.

I am currently retired and working on a hobby browser based game called Alien Assault Traders and ADOdb Lite.

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Caishen

Caishen is the mythological figure worshipped in the Chinese folk religion and Taoism. He has been identified with many historical figures, viewed as his embodied forms, among whom Zhao Gongming (趙公明, Wade–Giles: Chao Kung-ming; also known as Zhao Gong Yuanshuai 趙公元帥 "Lord Zhao the Marshal"), Fan Li, and Bi Gan. A large temple of Caishen has been built in the 2000s in Zhouzhi, Xi'an, Shaanxi.

Caishen's name is often invoked during the Chinese New Year celebrations. He is often depicted riding a black tiger and holding a golden rod. He may also be depicted with an iron tool capable of turning stone and iron into gold.

Historical personages

Several versions of Caishen's incarnations' political affiliation and way of deification are circulated. It is unclear whether they are genuine historical figures, though most of the stories agree that Caishen's most popular incarnation lived during the early Qin dynasty. Most probably it represents the merging of several heterogeneous legends, the one of Bi Gan being the most ancient.

Legend has it that Bi Gan had a wife with the surname Chen. His son was Quan (泉). After Bi Gan was put to death by his nephew King Zhou of Shang, Bi Gan's wife and son escaped into the woods. His death eventually marked the collapse of the Shang dynasty. Later on, Quan was honoured as the ancestor of all Lins by King Wu of Zhou.

Notwithstanding the above, there is another legendary character of the Chinese God of Wealth which is generally known as Caibo Xingjun (財帛星君) amongst Chinese communities. Li Guizu (李詭祖) was born in the Zichuan District in Shandong Province and held position as a country magistrate. Li Guizu contributed significantly to the district, whilst people built a temple to worship Li Guizu after his death. The late Li Guizu was then conferred the title Caibo Xingjun by the Wude Emperor of Tang dynasty.

The Caishen of all directions
Caishen sometimes appears as a door god in Chinese and Taoist temples, usually in partnership with the Burning-Lamp Taoist.

Buddhism
Though Caishen is a Chinese folk deity, many Pure Land Buddhists venerate him as a buddha. In esoteric Buddhist schools he is identified as Jambhala.

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Shannon Pohl

 Shannon Pohl  (born 9 November 1980) is a badminton player from the United States.

Career
Shannon was the highest-ranked American badminton player in the world in women’s singles in 2009. Her top ranking is #69 in the world in women’s singles. Shannon was a member of the United States World Championship Badminton Team in 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2009. She has represented the United States in badminton tournaments in 46 countries.

She played at the 2005 World Badminton Championships in Anaheim and reached the round of 32.

Coaching
Shannon is currently head coach and director of the Shannon Pohl Badminton Academy in Vernon Hills, IL. She is a USA Badminton Level 2 Elite Talent Coach and she was the US Assistant National Coach for the 2010 Jr. Pan American Championships.

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List of places in Pennsylvania: Sk–Sy

This list of cities, towns, unincorporated communities, counties, and other recognized places in the U.S. state of Pennsylvania also includes information on the number and names of counties in which the place lies, and its lower and upper zip code bounds, if applicable.

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Talk:Togepi

Baby?
Is togepi really a baby pokémon? Is there any official statement claiming so? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.37.27.106 (talk • contribs) 16:27, 18 July 2006

 * I think so; it is only obtainable from an egg, and cannot be caught in the wild. However, since Togetic hasn't appeared in the games as a wild Pokémon, we may not know until we see a wild Togepi or Togetic. It should also be worth noting that I might be wrong in that you can catch Wynaut in the wild... OH, as I was writing this, I looked at some Pokémon card images, and according to the cards, Togepi is basic, and Togetic is Stage 1. Can anyone confirm these things with Nintendo or something? DanPMK 04:43, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Manaphy is only obtainable from an egg too, is it a baby Pokémon? {unsigned2|14:44, 13 August 2006|201.17.71.19}
 * See: Talk:List of Pokémon by stage DanPMK 22:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it seems that the entire concept of naming them "Baby", "Basic", "Stage 1", and "Stage 2" is derived from the playing cards, which seem to be the only media to refer to Pokémon stages by those names. Togepi's card refers to it as Basic (and Togetic is Stage 1), so why don't we stick with that?  --Brandon Dilbeck 18:21, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * We have a very long discussion about this on Talk:List of Pokémon by stage, so see that... DanPMK 22:15, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I've had two Togepi cards and the one I used to have was 'Basic' but the one I have at the moment is 'Baby'. Confusing isn't even the word when it comes to pocket onsters, I swear. 80.41.122.6 18:40, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Pokemon cards should not be taken in to account when deciding if a pokemon is basic or baby, it is very clear that Topepi is a baby pokemon seeing how it is not a legendary pokemon but it can not breed when is the same for all baby stage pokemon, and Togetic its evolution can breed which is the same for all the other other evolutions of baby pokmemon. DSDark 21:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * In the game there are only two classes of Pokemon that can not breed and they are Legendary and BABY and if you try to breed DSDark 22:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)Togepi or any other baby pokemon you will find that they do not breed no matter what pokemon you try to breed them with. DSDark 21:43, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No, in the games, every Poke is divided into one or two egg groups. All Legendaries, Nidorina, Nidoqueen, and Baby Pokes fall under the "None" category, DS. Inability to breed does not a Baby Poke make, especially since Nidoqueen is in that egg group, and Legendaries (Short Manaphy) are also sterile. -Jeske (v^_^v) 21:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * But it has all the features of a baby pokemon. DSDark 22:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Which are, videogame-wise, what? -Jeske (v^_^v) 22:13, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes if you look at say Pichu and compart it to Togepi it has some of the same characteristics such as weight and hight and moves, as in learning mostly "Special" Class moves. Do you think that Togepi is a Basic. DSDark 22:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Moves, not necessarily (so does Hoppip). Height and weight, however, makes Diglett, Eevee, and Natu Babies by definition. -Jeske (v^_^v) 22:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay but in the defense of Nido's both of the Nidoran's can breed and yes there evolutions can't but there first forms can unlike Togepi which is the first form. DSDark 22:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, DS, Nidorino and Nidoking CAN breed. -Jeske (v^_^v) 13:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Bear in mind that this was the subject of several rollercoaster discussions at WP:PCP beforehand, discussions that didn't seem to have universally accepted solutions; here was the first big one and here was the second big one. It's almost as if this is an unsolvable problem, looking at these discussions. :/ Erik Jensen (Appreciate 20:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The upshot of the debate was to just not mention the stage at all, given the lack of commentary in reliable sources. The stages are only ever specifically defined in the card game, anyway. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

 * that is untrue look at pokemon-games.com's pokedex and when you click on a pokemon they state its stage and its evolutions stages and Togepi is a baby. DSDark 19:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Um... What happened to Appearance and Biology?
Togepi's missing those sections and I'd really like to see one of them added, if not both. I'll try and start it but I doubt I can finish it on my own. --Floramage! 19:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Pet image
I've noticed an image (referred to as a "pet image") repeatedly added and removed from the article over the course of the day. Personally, I don't care much for that picture, but you know what picture I think we really need? We need a picture of Togepi being cradled in Misty's arms. Togepi was so significant for always being on screen with Misty; Togepi, during its run in the cartoon, was on-screen as much as Pikachu. --Brandon Dilbeck 22:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Behavior
The first thing I noticed with this article is that there is no section about the biological characteristics of Togepi. Another point I want to ask about is whether Misty's Togepi exhibits typical behavior. That is, Misty's Togepi acts like a baby all the time. Are there any sources to demonstrate that this is or isn't typical of all Togepi? --Brandon Dilbeck 00:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I really want to edit the article and add information on Togepi's weight, call etc. and some trivia, but I can't find my Pokemon book and I haven't got Togepi on the game, either. My computer seems to go funny if I go on anything other than Wikipedia or if I leave it alone for 2 seconds to do some research... Can someone add it, please. 80.41.122.6 18:43, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * "Biological Characteristics" is for the video games ONLY. The anime is not covered in that. -Jeske (v^_^v) 19:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Togepi is a Baby
There is official confirmation that Togepi is a baby pokemon, go on to Pokemon-games.com and click on the Pokedex and go down to togepi and it says Baby: Togepi Basic: Togetic. DSDark 19:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

How come i can't change Togepi's stage to baby when editing the page? DSDark 19:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks for pointing that out, it might be very useful information! The reason that Baby isn't showing up in Togepi's infobox is because that parameter of the infobox for ALL of the Pokémon's infoboxes is turned off (mainly because of the debate of what Togepi's stage is!).  I'm going to bring this up at the Pokémon Collaborative Project to see what others think.  --Brandon Dilbeck 21:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

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Gaiters

Gaiters are garments worn over the shoe and bottom of the pant or trouser leg and used primarily as personal protective equipment, in particular against snakebite; similar garments used primarily for display are spats.

Originally, gaiters were made of leather or canvas. Today, those for walking are commonly made of plasticized synthetic cloth such as nylon or polyester. Gaiters for use on horseback continue to be made of leather. They are made to cover the gap between the pants and boots, rising to just below the knee, and usually have drawcords for tightening. Wearing gaiters, while preventing most snake bites, does not provide complete protection.

Common materials for leg gaiters on the market are canvas, nylon, Cordura, Kevlar, and leather. Nylon is better at preventing snakebite than polyester, canvas, or Cordura.

Military origins and terminology
Beginning in 1700, most infantry in European armies adopted long linen gaiters, or spatterdashes, as a protective leg covering to be worn over the woollen stockings that were a common feature in both military and civilian dress. By the 1770s military gaiters were often shortened to mid-calf length ("half-gaiters") for convenience in the field.

In army parlance, a gaiter covers leg and bootlacing; a legging covers only the leg. In RAF parlance, gaiter includes leggings. The American Army during World War I and World War II had leggings, which were gaiters. Above the knee spatterdashes were cotton or canvas, as were many gaiters of varying lengths thereafter. Leather gaiters were rare in military usage, though sometimes a calf-length cotton gaiter had leather kneecaps added. Leggings, however, were very often made of leather, but also canvas.

On foot

Gaiters are a type of protective clothing for a person's ankles and legs below the knee. Gaiters are worn when walking, hiking, running (especially orienteering and rogaining) outdoors amongst dense underbrush or in snow, with or without snowshoes. Heavy gaiters are often worn when using crampons, to protect the leg and ankle from the spikes of the opposite foot. Gaiters strap over the hiking boot and around the person's leg to provide protection from branches and thorns and to prevent mud, snow, etc. from entering the top of the boot. Gaiters may also be worn as protection against snake bites.

Gaiters fill the same function as puttees, a part of numerous military uniforms. Gaiters known as jambieres (derived from the French word jambe for legs, hence leggings) were part of the uniform of Zouave infantry regiments.

On horseback

During the 19th century gaiters for riding typically were known as riding gaiters, distinguishing them from the other gaiters that were in general use. Today, half chaps are a type of gaiter worn by equestrians. Most forms fit over the calf. These are intended to protect the rider's leg from wear by the stirrup leathers and other saddle parts. Modern styles usually have a zipper or hook and loop fasteners on the outside of the leg.

In the Anglican church
Gaiters formed a part of the everyday clerical clothing of bishops and archdeacons of the Church of England until the middle part of the twentieth century. They were also worn by some cathedral deans. They were made of black cotton, wool, or silk, and buttoned up the sides, reaching to just below the knee where they would join with black breeches. Gaiters would be worn with a clerical apron, a type of short cassock reaching to just above the knee. The purpose of this vesture was originally practical, since archdeacons and bishops were presumed to be mobile, riding horses to various parts of a diocese or archdeaconry. In latter years, the clothing took on a more symbolic dimension.

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Greg Bahnsen

Gregory Lyle Bahnsen (September 17, 1948 – December 11, 1995), credited in most of his books as Greg Bahnsen, was an American Calvinist philosopher and Christian apologist. He was a minister in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church and a full-time Scholar in Residence for the Southern California Center for Christian Studies (SCCCS). He is also considered a contributor to the field of Christian apologetics, as he popularized the presuppositional method of Cornelius Van Til. He is the father of David L. Bahnsen, an American portfolio manager, author, and television commentator.

Early life and education
He was the first born of two sons of Robert and Virginia Bahnsen in Auburn, Washington, and grew up in Pico Rivera, California. In youth he was beset by a number of medical difficulties, the most serious of which was a lifelong platelet problem that made it difficult for him to stop bleeding, a condition similar to hæmophilia. He also had heart trouble which came to light only during his first college admissions medical exam.

Raised in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, he actively participated in religious activities. He first began reading the apologetics of Cornelius Van Til when in high school. While attending Westmont College he began writing for the Chalcedon Foundation of Rousas J. Rushdoony and soon came to admire the latter's strong Calvinistic convictions.

In 1970 Bahnsen graduated magna cum laude from Westmont College, receiving his B.A. in philosophy as well as the John Bunyan Smith Award for his overall grade point average. From there he went on to Westminster Theological Seminary in Philadelphia, where he studied under Cornelius Van Til. The two became close friends. When he graduated in May 1973, he simultaneously received two degrees, Master of Divinity and Master of Theology, as well as the William Benton Greene Prize in apologetics and a Richard Weaver Fellowship from the Intercollegiate Studies Institute. His next academic stop was the University of Southern California (USC), where he studied philosophy, specializing in the theory of knowledge. In 1975, after receiving ordination in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, he became an associate professor of Apologetics and Ethics at Reformed Theological Seminary (RTS) in Jackson, Mississippi. While there, he completed his studies at USC, receiving his Ph.D. in 1978. Bahnsen's four years at RTS were fraught with contention, centered around his particular version of theonomic postmillennialism.

Later life
One of the original pillars of Christian Reconstruction, Bahnsen was a leading proponent of theonomy, postmillennialism, and presuppositional apologetics. He lectured to a broad range of evangelical Christian groups at many colleges and conferences, not only throughout the United States, but in Scotland and Russia. He published over 1700 audio tapes, videos, articles, and books.

Greg Bahnsen's vocal advocacy of Christian Reconstructionism and theonomy was highly controversial during his lifetime, and a public disputation pertaining to theonomy led to his dismissal from the Reformed Theological Seminary in Jackson, Mississippi. In addition, he was known for his public debates on apologetics, theonomy, religion (such as Roman Catholicism, Islam, and Judaism), and a variety of socio-political issues (such as abortion, gun control, and homosexuality).

Bahnsen had a number of public debates with atheists including George H. Smith, Gordon Stein, and Edward Tabash. The debate with Stein marked one of the earliest uses of a transcendental argument for the existence of God (TAG).

In 1994 a controversy emerged after atheist philosopher Michael Martin was informed three weeks before a scheduled debate with Bahnsen "that Bahnsen would not debate unless Martin gave written permission to SCCCS to tape the debate" for resale to support SCCCS. Martin refused because "he did not want SCCCS to profit from his participation", while SCCCS refused to let Bahnsen debate without the debate being taped. The debate was canceled. Since that time Martin has responded to Bahnsen's use of TAG, doing so in his own debates with Michael Butler, John Frame, and Douglas Jones, and has published his "Transcendental Argument for the Non-Existence of God" in the journal of the New Zealand Association of Rationalists and Humanists, as well as in essays posted on the Secular Web.

Death
Due to his lifelong medical problems, Bahnsen had to undergo a third aortic valve implant surgery on December 5, 1995. After the completion of the operation, serious complications developed within twenty-four hours. He then became comatose for several days and died on December 11, 1995, at the age of 47.

Works

 * Always Ready: Directions for Defending the Faith (ISBN 0692124187)
 * Van Til's Apologetic: Readings and Analysis (ISBN 0-87552-098-7)
 * Theonomy in Christian Ethics (ISBN 0-9678317-3-3)
 * By This Standard: The Authority Of God's Law Today ISBN 0-930464-06-0
 * No Other Standard: Theonomy and Its Critics ISBN 0-930464-56-7
 * House Divided: The Breakup of Dispensational Theology with Kenneth Gentry. ISBN 0-930464-27-3
 * Homosexuality: A Biblical View (ISBN 0-8010-0744-5)
 * Five Views on Law and Gospel (Chapter contribution) (ISBN 0-310-21271-5)
 * Foundations of Christian Scholarship (2 Chapter Contributions) (ISBN 1-879998-25-4)
 * God and Politics: Four Views on the Reformation of Civil Government (Chapter contribution) (ISBN 0-87552-448-6)
 * Theonomy: An Informed Response (2 Chapter contributions) (ISBN 0-930464-59-1)
 * Victory in Jesus: The Bright Hope of Postmillennialism (ISBN 0-9678317-1-7)
 * Presuppositional Apologetics: Stated and Defended (Edited by Joel McDurmon.) (ISBN 0-915815-55-9)

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User talk:George F Kennan

Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks.—chris.lawson (talk) 00:03, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

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My name is Greg Cerveny.

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Stuart Lake

Stuart Lake, or Nak'albun ("Mount Pope Lake", ) in the Carrier (Dakelh) language is a lake situated in the Northern Interior of British Columbia, Canada. The town of Fort St. James is situated by the lake near the outlet (Stuart River or Nak'alkoh - ″Mount Pope River″). Stuart Lake is 66 km long, 10 km wide and relatively shallow, with an average depth of 26 m. There are several privately owned islands on Stuart lake.

Stuart Lake offers a variety of recreational activities, including boating, canoeing, kayaking swimming, and sunbathing at sandy beaches. Fishing enthusiasts can enjoy the abundance of fish in the lake, while water skiing provides thrills for adrenaline seekers. Visitors can also explore ancient indigenous pictographs, camp in the surrounding areas, and engage in snowmobiling, ice fishing, ice sailing, and dog sledding during the winter months. Two provincial park campgrounds, Paarens Beach and Sowchea Bay, as well as a small municipal campground, are located on the southern shore of the lake. Additionally, there are several motels, lodges, and private campgrounds in the area to accommodate visitors. Moorage facilities are available at several marinas for those arriving by boat.

Fort St. James has several lumber mills as do several smaller aboriginal communities in the basin. The lake is usually ice-covered from mid-December to early May. Stuart Lake contains rainbow trout, char or lake trout, whitefish, kokanee, Dolly Varden, burbot fish and in deeper areas sturgeon (protected).

Hydrographical characteristics of the lake

 * Discharge 4.1 km3/a

History
Villages on Stuart Lake or Nak'albun, were connected to Dakelh villages on Fraser Lake (Nadlehbunk'ut) on an ancient land route called Nyan Wheti Nyan Wheti in Carrier means "The Way Across." The trail was part of the network of trails called the Grease Trail used by the Dakelh people for as a major trade, travel and communication line. the Cheslatta Trail continues south to Cheslatta Lake.

Stuart Lake is important to British Columbia history, being the location of one of the oldest non-native settlements in the province, Fort St. James. The first non-native to visit the lake was James McDougall in 1806. McDougall's explorations were undertaken as an assistant to Simon Fraser. Fraser and other members of his expedition soon established a North West Company trading post, leaving behind for the winter a garrison led by clerk John Stuart, in whose honor the English name of the lake was given.

The original name, in the Dakelh language, is Nak'albun, literally Mt. Pope Lake, after the mountain that overlooks it, Nak'al , known in English as Mt. Pope. The changing of names of the lakes reflects the doctrine of discovery upheld by Canada's colonial government as well as the colonial history of the area.

In 2012, the "Mayor and Council of the District of Fort St. James unanimously voted to adopt a resolution declaring their opposition to the Enbridge Northern Gateway Project." Their decision was based on concerns for "the land base and our fresh water sources. Of particular concern locally is the crossing of the Stuart River, which accommodates one of the largest sockeye salmon runs in the world, and Pitka Creek which flows into Stuart Lake."

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This list of cities, towns, unincorporated communities, counties, and other recognized places in the U.S. state of Pennsylvania also includes information on the number and names of counties in which the place lies, and its lower and upper zip code bounds, if applicable.

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Image credit: Óscar Ibáñez Fernández

The Cathedral of Segovia stands in the city's central plaza. Constructed by architect Juan Gil de Hontanon in the late Gothic style between 1522 and 1577, it is widely considered Europe's last great Gothic cathedral.

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Victor Child Villiers, 7th Earl of Jersey

Victor Albert George Child Villiers, 7th Earl of Jersey, (20 March 1845 – 31 May 1915) was a British banker, Conservative politician and colonial administrator from the Villiers family. He served as Governor of New South Wales between 1891 and 1893.

Background and education
Born at Berkeley Square, London, Lord Jersey was the eldest son of George Child Villiers, 6th Earl of Jersey, and Julia Peel, daughter of Prime Minister Sir Robert Peel, Bt. He was educated at Eton and Balliol College, Oxford. He succeeded to the earldom in October 1859, aged 14, on the death of his father, who had only succeeded his father three weeks earlier. He became the principal proprietor of the family banking firm of Child & Co.

Political career
Lord Jersey served as a Lord-in-waiting (government whip in the House of Lords) between 1875 and 1877 in the Conservative administration of Benjamin Disraeli. He returned to the government in 1889 when Lord Salisbury made him Paymaster General, which he remained until 1890. The latter year he was sworn of the Privy Council and made a Knight Grand Cross of the Order of St Michael and St George (GCMG).

In August 1890 Jersey was appointed Governor of New South Wales. He arrived in Australia to take up his position in January 1891. According to the Australian Dictionary of Biography, there were no major political difficulties during his term. He was described by Sir Henry Parkes as "amiable and well-intentioned", but "very much occupied with his own family". He "did not excel as a public speaker". He was the official host at the 1891 Australasian National Convention in Sydney. Jersey tendered his resignation already in November 1892 citing pressing business affairs. This did not go down well with the Colonial Office in London. Lord Salisbury thought that Jersey had found that there was "less individual power to his office than he imagined". Jersey himself wrote to the Colonial Secretary: "the duties and responsibilities of a governor can hardly be called serious nowadays being chiefly of a social character". He left Australia in March 1893.

Lord Jersey represented the United Kingdom at the 1894 Colonial Conference in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. He also acted as Agent-General for New South Wales in London between 1903 and 1905 and through his ties with the banking institutions helped the state's loan negotiations. He revisited Australia in 1905 and Prime Minister Alfred Deakin considered appointing him Australia's first High Commissioner to London, although nothing came out of this.

One of Lord Jersey's godparents was Queen Victoria. The Queen accepted her role as a token of friendship to Robert Peel, Prime Minister, who was Lord Jersey's grandfather (his mother, the 6th Countess, being Julia Peel).

Other public appointments
On 18 June 1875 the Earl was appointed Honorary Colonel of the 1st Glamorganshire Artillery Volunteers. Lord Jersey was Lord Lieutenant of Oxfordshire from 1877 and from 1885 also served as a Deputy Lieutenant of Warwickshire and as a Justice of the Peace for Warwickshire and Oxfordshire. He was Paymaster-General from 1889 to 1890. In 1894, he was sent to Ottawa to act as the British government's representative to the 1894 Colonial Conference.

From 1896 to 1905 he was Chairman of the Light Railway Commission. He was made a Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath in the 1900 Birthday Honours.

Freemasonry
A Freemason, he was initiated to the craft on 25 October 1865 in the Apollo University Lodge No. 357 at the age of 20. In December 1865 he was passed in the Churchill Lodge No. 478 and in February 1866 he was raised in his Mother Lodge. In 1870 he was appointed Senior Grand Warden of the United Grand Lodge of England and served for a year. In 1885 he was appointed Provincial Grand Master of Oxfordshire. When he became Governor of New South Wales, he became a member of the Lodge Ionic No. 65. On 11 June 1891 he was installed Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of New South Wales.

Family
Lord Jersey married the Hon. Margaret Elizabeth Leigh (29 October 1849 – 22 May 1945), daughter and eldest child of William Henry Leigh, 2nd Baron Leigh, on 19 September 1872. They had six children:
 * George Henry Robert Child Villiers, 8th Earl of Jersey (1873–1923)
 * Lady Margaret Child Villiers (1874–1874), died in infancy.
 * Lady Margaret Child Villiers (1875–1959), married Walter Rice, 7th Baron Dynevor, and had issue.
 * Lady Mary Julia Child Villiers (1877–1933), married Thomas Pakenham, 5th Earl of Longford, and had issue.
 * Lady Beatrice Child Villiers (1880–1970), married Edward Plunkett, 18th Baron of Dunsany, and had issue.
 * Hon. Arthur George Child Villiers (1883–1969)

Having suffered a stroke in 1909, Lord Jersey died at Osterley Park, Middlesex, in May 1915, aged 70. He was succeeded in the earldom by his eldest son, George. The Countess of Jersey survived her husband by 30 years and died at Middleton Park, Oxfordshire, in May 1945, aged 95.


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Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/User:Robert McClenon

Comments of User24.147.97.230
Robert McClenon has admitted to the following, "It is true that I wrote four user conduct RfCs in 30 days" "I think that I was using the Wikipedia process as it is meant to be used,"I then posted a RfC against Agiantman. In retrospect, I recognize that I made two mistakes." "I certainly think that I was making a reasonable argument about consensus." "As to the claim that I offered to withdraw an RfC if conditions were met, and then did not keep my word, that is not true...I admit to having made a mistake," "I admit to having made mistakes. We all make mistakes under stress. Perhaps my mistakes have been trying too hard to engage in dialogue with problematical editors." "I have no interest in mediation with any anonymous editor"

Gee.. Four RFCs in 30 days. That's one a week. All this while admitting to making mistakes. As you write an RFC to have me banned, you are working on three others? What is your problem? Do you see yourself as a police officer of this site? I suggest you drop them all immediately. Not only that, in your persecution of agiantman, you suddenly announce that you will take off 36 hours and then take it up again, like a mother telling a child, "wait until your father gets home". To attack another user via RFC, then hold it over his/her head for days...all the while during a period of admitted mistakes? I think your credibility is rock bottom. I don't see how you fit into this community. I suggest that you either drop all these RFCs now or stand ready to fight for your right to be here. You are nothing more than a wreckless bully of others.24.147.97.230 00:02, 22 August 2005 (UTC) [edit]

Reply
It has been pointed out to me that it is not up to me to "drop" any RfCs that have been certified. An anonymous editor states: "I suggest that you either drop all these RFCs now or stand ready to fight for your right to be here." Very well. I will fight for my right to be here, and for the right of Wikipedians who admit to making mistakes but who try to contribute constructively to be here. Robert McClenon 13:36, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Outside View by FuelWagon
I have no doubt the whole POV pushing posse will be here to defend one of their own. There is certainly no shortage of POV warriors who run with User:Robert McClenon. But if there are broken links here, please let me know and I will fix them. Thanks! --Agiantman 05:17, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Editing behaviour of user Robert McClenon
I duplicate this unanswered question to McClenon here. I say that I have found this user to be curiously  concerned with  what would appear to be the diminution of historically sourced  questions -ie history. The particular question I ask here below relates to an unacceptable editing tag he placed, and which epitomises all the doubts I have about this user. Here is the edit I question, see below line 77 at [] and removal of reference to 1937 and 1938.

McC- I ask you to explain to me why your edit of 00.49, 19 August upon the Hitler's Pope article is not dishonest  ? I see that your description of your edit (rm) is this : ''removed much biographical material that is copied from Pope Pius XII, very heavy copy editing of very badly edited article. Much more cleanup is needed.''

In the most civil terms I can muster, I ask you to explain how this qualification explains your removal of  several important and full non -biographical  Cornwell references  ? I will expect an answer that addresses this actual question, not an answer to other questions , and not your current suggestion that what you removed now be re-inserted. You plainly were not removing "clearly biographical" information  that " belonged in the biography ". It is not enough to say that this was a mistake - I can see no mistake, and I can see no justification for calling this surreptitious because mis-labelled removal   a mistake.

You have not answered the short question I once previously asked you, which is how you knew to ask  me about   grave sin  etc. The question I ask you here is very much easier - why should I not qualify your removal  referred to as dis-honest  ?

If you stick to this policy of it being a mistake , then I think you warrant  attention solely  as an editor who arrived upon the WP simply to create Rfc's , and not  with any view to the  designed expansion of the WP. In which case the above Rfc against you is  thoroughly justified. People who actually work to create fuller understanding by real contributions are, then ,being abused by your presence ...............

I do not know that it is appropriate for me to sign against McC on the Rfc, but that depends upon him here answering this. I do not accept mistake as sufficient. Indeed I have found that this user whilst claiming a sort-of intermediary role, is not prepared to read relevant material. Maybe he doesn't read that which he edits and removes, in which case any means of removing his hand from the WP must be beneficial. I do think he should remain under scrutiny, indeed that this Rfc was placed somewhat at my behest , therefore it is becoming untenable for me not to support that part of  it  which I do understand. Famekeeper 08:13, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Coloring Outside the Lines
It was my understanding that the "Response" was supposed to be my response, not a combination of my response and the response to my response. Robert McClenon 13:41, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I think threaded discussiosn of this nature are generally discouraged on the RfC page itself. It would probably be better for Agiantman to create another "response" section, or copy them here to talk. · Katefan0(scribble) 14:58, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

Mediation and Arbitration
The anonymous editor says that I appear to be confused, or to be contradicting myself, because I stated that I had no interest in mediation with an anonymous editor, but that I then filed a formal request for arbitration. There is no contradiction. Mediation and arbitration are not the same process.

I said that I was willing to mediate with Agiantman. He had made some statements to the effect that he was willing to change his behavior. I suggested either of two mediators. He rejected both of them. Presumably he considers them to be also members of the cabal of liberal POV-pushing bullies. Is he willing to suggest an alternate mediator?

I said that I had no interest in mediation with any anonymous editor. I had two reasons why I said that. First, the anonymous editor (or editors) made no statement as to any willingness to change his (or their) behavior until I had filed the RfAr. Second, mediation had already been attempted with the anonymous editor. The anonymous editor points out that he was who suggested Kelly Martin as the mediator. She concluded that there was a strong balance of opinion against the fatboy.cc link. However, Agiantman and the anonymous editor either do not accept that judgment or do not accept it as "consensus" because of a dictionary issue. Mediation has already been tried, and it has failed to resolve the dispute between the alleged cabal (TINC) and the anonymous editor. Trying mediation again would be pointless. All dispute resolution procedures short of arbitration have already been tried with the anonymous editor.

In response to RfAr, the anonymous editor writes: "If he [I] can give a specific and exact description of what his is looking to come to an agreement on I would be willing to participate." It would have been more timely to make such an offer in response to my RfC rather than my RfAr. At this point, what I am looking for is exactly what I state that I want as temporary relief in my RfAr: No anonymous edits to the Ted Kennedy or Rosemary Kennedy articles until the arbitration is completed. Robert McClenon 18:10, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Again the summary by Robert McClenon is filled with mistruth. The anon, myself, did comply with Kelly Martin's decision.  There is still an open question of if her decision is binding or should have even been given.  If Robert McClenon could state exacly where I did not accept the judgement it will clear this up.  If he can not, I must conclude that he is either in error, or lying about the facts.  As to no anonymous edits, what a strange request.  That I and all anons should stop all work and wait for Robert McClenon to reply???

McClenon Editing, no reply
McC may believe he has answered my straightforward question about his particular edit enumerated above :he has not. Not only has he not but the answer he tried to give was incorrect and disingenuous, as was the edit in question. I am deeply supicious of this user, who still pretends that he was not responsible for actions which he very plainly carried out. In fact he denies the action. The action resulted in a serious loss.

I ask McC, again, to explain this apparent conflict with his two separate statements.

I further post my initial reaction to the edit in the context in which it was written, and users will judge for themselves. I am still awaiting a less disingenuous response. The response given tries also to dissimulate by referring to questions of POV , which are not raised in this question. I am hardening my own position from that of deep suspicion. I may say that I experienced a disingenuous response immediately on encountering this user, and that my experience of him is that he cloaks the behaviour alluded to in his Rfc  under a veil of respectable mediation. I have always believed that McC was a policeman brought in by the WP board, or the church. McClenon is apt to say he has made a mistake, and I find even this claim to be disingenuous -as in the case below. I think his presence is possibly illuminating, in that his actions uncover more rather than less  WP abuse and that that abuse is closely associated with McClenon. Anyone with a cursory knowledge of me will know that I was forced to conclude, still am, that the WP was being edited not through POV abuse , but through faith-based editing. I believe that this user joined and re-inforced this, and that this particular edit (on Hitler's Pope is just the last of many examples . I also know that such belief system has every reason to act in this way, sad to say.

 * I am particularly disturbed by the actions of user McClenon . Having left note upon his editing last that he was removing duplicated biographical material, he actually excised sections relating to 1937 and 1938 which were previously excised from the  Pope Pius XII article . These excisions are not therefore in line with his description of removal, and warrant attention as being an exercise of  strange faith . This editor  was instrumental in trying, through ad hominem,  to paint  myself into a dunce's corner , however it is clear from this action that  user McClenon either does not  concentrate on what he removes , or acts  with incorrect procedure . I should say that this user should be watched  , as if his actions here can be so surreptitious and  counter to his avowed  listed editing report, what confidence can remain as to the use's worthiness ? Unlike his action against me , I will simply leave   this post to alert those of good will . The WP is again  under attack as the completeness of Cornwell is  being sundered  piecemeal  . I strongly suggest that this article be reverted to  my complete summation of the Vanity Fair  abbreviation of Cornwell , and then locked . Famekeeper 10:07, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

 * "Why not insert the material back into the Pope Pius XII biographical article? I was removing what was clearly biographical information that belonged in the biography.  I was not comparing the two articles.  Unlike Famekeeper, I have been known to make mistakes."  Robert McClenon 12:41, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

 * "The answer to the question that Famekeeper has posted on my talk page is that if any sourced biographical material has been deleted from the Pope Pius XII article and presents POV as POV, it should be re-inserted. However, some of it was deleted by Wyss and dtdirl after they tried to disentangle POV from NPOV.  I will note that most of the deletions from Pope Pius XII were not made by me".  Robert McClenon 21:47, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

User's should note that desperation forces  McC and another to claim that Writer:John Cornwell is simply a POV type on the WP level. This is wrong, Cornwell was allowed into the vatican's archives and after study, realised that his hitherto friendly and faithful attitude was completely out of line with the truth. The attempt is to discredit Cornwell as even a source, blacken his historical work, and thus weaken the danger to the Church. This is a major attack on the principles of the WP, and certainly compromises the usefulness , indeed morality , of the WP. A careful annotation as to the relevant article being the view of this historian has not prevented constant attack upon the substance of the article.

If dishonesty rules, there is no point in trying to edit  the WP. Famekeeper 18:50, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I am still waiting for a reply from McC . I think he should explain this particular irrefutable example of bad faith . If it is purely stupidity ( he claims that pressure leads him to make mistakes), perhaps he'd get more sense than bring Rfc's.

This was interjected on the Pope BXVI talk page and is pretty strange. Perhaps when the guy finally understands it's their law, not mine, he might get wise. So far, not being prepared to wade through the relevant "tosh" I write , he didnt understand. Apparently there's no question of any trial, so that is not relevant.

 * I only posted an RfC against Famekeeper after he had repeatedly made the bizarre statement that canon law demand that Pope Pius XI and Pope Pius XII be exhumed so that they could stand trial. He has yet to cite a section that refers to a moral requirement to insult the dead in this fashion.  Robert McClenon 05:58, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I did, some months ago , McC is a bit blind .Go to Pius XII talk and see 'Canon law' section , and if you want the full treatment go to BXVI talk where I put the full treatment . It's law stuff, and you need to have spectacles on or something.

Famekeeper 16:25, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't see how any of this has anything to do with this particular RfC. This seems like a matter for the talk pages of the relevant papal articles. Gamaliel 16:51, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Apparently User:Gamaliel did not read the RFC before he chose to oppose it. User:Robert McClenon is charged with abus[ing the] RfC process to harass others who do not share his POV.  As documented on the RFC, User:Famekeeper was one of the 4 victims of  User:Robert McClenon's harrassment.  Hopefully, User:Famekeeper will join us in certifying this RFC and record his comments on the main page. --Agiantman 23:11, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * On the contrary, Robert was/is the victim of Famekeeper's harrassment. Though their respective POVs shared some common ground, Fk shouted him down with accusations. Str1977 22:06, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I am still waiting for Robert McClenon to reply to this charge. The statement of Famekeeper is well docmumented, I don't understand why Robert McClenon will not reply.  I hope he is not working on a 5th RFC againt a 5th user, it would be consistant with his rolling average if he was. 24.147.97.230 13:16, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

McClenon /Famekeeper Relevant Example
My answer today to patsw on Hitler's Pope discussion is highly relevant to my accusations over-leaf :

 * Hitler's Pope is a work of biography. What it adds to our knowledge of Pope Pius XII belongs in that biographical article. What's the encyclopedic value of anything else in the book? This article looks merely like a platform for Cornwell's own POV on Pope Pius XII and by extension a platform for Wikipedia's editors' POV on Pope Pius XII -- in short a discussion board and not an encyclopedia. patsw 01:46, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

patsw, I don't know how to answer you briefly but I paste this from Robert McClenon as on this page :

 * I am willing to try to discuss differences of opinion reasonably, without mediation. I will make a few non-negotiable demands that Wikiquette be followed, or I will conclude that we do need mediation or arbitration. First, assume good faith. Do not imply censorship when an NPOV dispute is in progress. Do not accuse anyone of bad faith unless you have irrefutable proof. Second, do not use talk pages as soapboxes. Drop(orig. emhasis) the discussion of canon law, unless it is applicable to a published source. As far as I can tell, the discussion of canon law is really only a discussion of the fact that moral errors were made, and is basically an issue of attributing evil motives rather than error to the dead. Third, cite sources for any claim that is disputed.

 * In particular, please provide a source for the use of the exact phrase "Hitler's Pope" preceding Cornwell. If you do not provide a source for the published use of that exact phrase before Cornwell, then I will have to delete that reference and leave the article only as a discussion of Cornwell's book.

 * I hope that this is satisfactory. Robert McClenon 14:43, 21 July 2005 (UTC

I can tell you that I thought it very unsatisfactory indeed. I fear you come in here ,patsw, rather late. I take the quote as disingenuously pernickety self-righteous intentional muddling.

Recognition of censorship was dependent on irrefutablility within the history ;
 * Non-negotiable should not apply to reason ;
 * Soapboxing, that's a form of ad hominem;

 * Drop- cheek, it was/is applicable to sources , censoring thereof ;
 * Evil motives- is a statement of POV/ and ad hominem ;
 * Source was cited to this interposition, and always ;

Your postion patsw, seems to be coming in along McC lines earlier and here. I myself would indeed put it all under the main Pius XII page, but I have tried and been blocked from doing so by reverts , so , sorry , don't kick at me, anyway. Famekeeper 07:43, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * User's decision to confine article to Cornwell was to ignore sources.

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Zea Harbour Project

Zea Harbour Project is a Danish-Greek archaeological project in Piraeus, Greece. The project began in 2002 under the auspices of the Danish Institute at Athens and is directed by Bjørn Lovén, Associate Fellow in Maritime Archaeology at the University of Southern Denmark. The Zea Harbour Project's goal is to excavate and investigate ancient Athenian naval bases and their fortifications. The Zea Harbour Project aims to recover the Athenian fleet of triremes believed to be located in the ancient harbors of Zea and Munichia, in Piraeus, Athens, Greece.

The last excavation conducted by the Zea Harbour Project began on December 9, 2012

title: Zea Harbour Project