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Frederick J. Clarke

Frederick James Clarke (1 March 1915 – 4 February 2002) was a civil and military engineer with the United States Army Corps of Engineers. Clarke was one of three commissioners appointed to run the District of Columbia from 1960 to 1963. He rose to the rank of lieutenant General as the Chief of Engineers.

A 1937 graduate of the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York, where he graduated fourth in his class, Clarke earned a Master of Science degree in civil engineering from Cornell University in 1940. During World War II he commanded an engineer battalion on Ascension Island in the South Atlantic, and he supervised the construction of a military airfield there that became a key refueling point for transatlantic flights to Africa. He then served on the staff of the Army Service Forces. After the war ended he was area engineer of the Manhattan Project's Hanford Engineer Works, and was executive officer of the Armed Forces Special Weapons Project at Sandia Base.

As district engineer of the Trans-East District of the Corps from 1957 to 1959, he was responsible for military construction in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. From 1960 to 1963 he was one of the three federally appointed commissioners that governed the District of Columbia and initiated the construction of the Washington Metro railway and subway system. As chairman of the District's zoning commission, he participated in early debates over the proposals to build a bridge near the Three Sisters Islands in the Potomac River. He was the Director of Military Construction in the Office of the Chief of Engineers from 1963 1965, the Commanding General of the Army Engineer Center and Commandant of the United States Army Engineer School at Fort Belvoir from 1965 to 1966, and Deputy Chief of Engineers from 1966 to 1969. As Chief of Engineers from 1969 to 1973 he guided the Corps as it devoted increased attention to the environmental impact of its work.

Early life
Clarke was born in Little Falls, New York on 1 March 1915. His father was a machine shop foreman at a local dairy equipment manufacturer. His mother died in the 1918 influenza pandemic. He had a sister. He was educated at a parochial elementary school and the local high school in Little Falls. Following his junior high school year he worked for Western Union during the summer, and after graduation he joined it full time as a teletype operator. He intended to save enough money to study engineering at the University of Michigan, and attempted to save for tuition. One day he saw an advertisement for a competitive examination for entry to the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York, and he took it. A local man who had graduated from West Point thirty years before gave him a letter of introduction to his local congressman, Representative James Wolcott Wadsworth Jr. of New York's 39th congressional district, who appointed him.

Clarke entered West Point on 1 July 1933.He graduated fourth in the class of 1937 on 12 June 1937 and was commissioned as a second lieutenant in the United States Army Corps of Engineers. He was assigned to the 5th Engineer Regiment at Fort Belvoir, Virginia, While at West Point he met and courted Isabel Van Slyke, who worked for the League of Nations Association as a research assistant. They were married in the Chapel of the Most Holy Trinity at West Point in September 1938. They had a son, Pat, and two daughters, Isabel and Nancy. Engineering officers normally earned additional qualification soon after graduation, and he entered Cornell University, where he studied structural and soil engineering. He received his Master of Science degree in civil engineering in September 1940. He was promoted to first lieutenant on 12 June 1940 and captain on 9 September 1940.

World War II
In August 1940, Clarke assumed command of Company C of the 15th Engineer Battalion, which was based at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, as part of the 9th Infantry Division. In June 1941 he joined the 38th Engineer Regiment at Fort Jackson, South Carolina. After the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor that brought the United States Into World War II, he attended an abbreviated wartime Command and General Staff College course at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. He then assumed command of the 1st Battalion, 38th Engineer Regiment. In February 1942, his battalion sailed to Ascension Island in the South Atlantic, where he supervised the construction of a military airfield there that became a key refueling point for transatlantic flights to Africa. He was promoted to major on 1 February 1942.

His battalion's next assignment was to construct a chain of airbases across Africa, but when he returned to the United States in July 1942 to collect the plans, he was reassigned to the planning division of the headquarters of Army Service Forces in Washington, D.C.. He was engaged in long-range logistical planning for communications, airfield and port construction, road and railway rehabilitation, and hospitals. "My logistics training was one hour at the Leavenworth course" he later recalled. "All I remembered was that what went on the ship last came off first." But the commander of Army Service Forces, Lieutenant General Brehon B. Somervell wanted a major who had attended the Command and General Staff College, and had served overseas. This reduced the number of potential candidates greatly. His group drew up lists of supplies required for campaigns in Africa, China and the Pacific. Some of these contingencies occurred while others did not. As the war in Europe ended, he was involved in the frenzied planning effort to redirect supplies to the Pacific. He was promoted to lieutenant colonel on 22 December 1942 and colonel on 15 May 1945. He visited theater commands in Europe, South America and the Pacific, and after the war in Germany and Japan. He was awarded the Legion of Merit for his service.

Post war
After the war ended, Clarke was assigned to the Manhattan Engineer District as part of a process of replacing its reservist officers with regulars.Hanford Engineer Works in October 1945. He succeeded Colonel Franklin T. Matthias as the area engineer at the Hanford Engineer Works in January 1946. He was responsible for the production of plutonium there, and oversaw the town of Richland, with a population of 25,000 people, although it was declining from its wartime peak. The Manhattan Project ended on 31 December 1946, but Clarke stayed on at Hanford as the Atomic Energy Commission's area operations officer until September 1947. He was then transferred to Sandia Base near Albuquerque, New Mexico, as executive officer of the Armed Forces Special Weapons Project at the personal request of its commander, Lieutenant General Leslie R. Groves Jr.. At Sandia he oversaw the construction of new facilities and the establishment of training programs for weapons assembly teams. He was awarded the Commendation Ribbon for his service.

In December 1949, Clarke went to Okinawa as executive officer of the engineer district there. The base there was being expanded to counter the communist People's Republic of China, and a $500 million construction program (equivalent to $ million in ) was under way. This was accelerated after the outbreak of the Korean War in June 1950, but much of the necessary equipment and supplies was diverted to the pressing needs of operations in the Korean peninsula. He attended a four-month course at the Armed Forces Staff College in Norfolk, Virginia, and then became chief of the Atomic Section of the Army's Research and Development Division, under the Assistant Chief of Staff, G-4, Lieutenant General Williston B. Palmer, who made him his executive officer in April 1953. In February 1954, Clarke attended the three-month Advanced Management Program at Harvard Business School. He briefly served as head of the Construction Management Branch of G-4, where he was concerned with the funding, manufacture and emplacement of Nike missile batteries. He then became head of the Production Mobilization Branch, with responsibility for the readiness of the national munitions and armament industries, and was special assistant to Palmer's successor, Lieutenant General Carter B. Magruder. He attended the National War College in 1956 and 1957.

Clarke's last overseas assignment was as district engineer of the Trans-East District from 1957 to 1959. From his headquarters at Karachi in Pakistan, he oversaw U.S. military construction in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, and initiated transportation surveys in East Pakistan and Burma. He oversaw $140 million worth of military construction programs (equivalent to $ million in ) in Pakistan alone. Works included Karachi Airport and Dhahran Airport in Saudi Arabia, and design studies for road from Rangoon to Mandalay in Burma, all in support of United States Air Force (USAF) spy flights over the Soviet Union. On returning to the United States in 1959, her served for a year as chief of staff of the United States Army Engineer Training Center at Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri.

From 1874 to 1967, the District of Columbia was governed by three federally appointed commissioners (one a civil engineer, selected from the Army Corps of Engineers). On 1 August 1960, President Dwight D. Eisenhower appointed Clarke as the District's Engineer Commissioner. He was the technician-in-chief, called to address the problems such as traffic gridlock, economic development and low levels of funding. At one point early in his term, he was the only commissioner available for full-time duty, because one post was vacant and the other commissioner had suffered a heart attack. In the early 1960s, he participated in talks that led to the compact agreement for construction of the Washington Metro railway and subway system. As chairman of the District's zoning commission, he participated in early debates over the controversial proposal to build an interstate bridge near the Three Sisters Islands in the Potomac River, and over a planned freeway through the heart of the District.

After his term as Engineer Commissioner ended on 8 July 1963, he was the Director of Military Construction in the Office of the Chief of Engineers from 1963 to 1964. In this role he handled the military construction programs of the Army and the USAF. The USAF construction program mainly involved building missile silos for the new intercontinental ballistic missiles. He was also involved with the development of the Kennedy Space Center in Florida for NASA, and $75 million (equivalent to $ million in ) of Agency for International Development projects in the Middle East and Africa. He mounted the disaster relief effort after the 1964 Alaska earthquake because a Corps of Engineers officer was the man on the spot.

In July 1965, Clarke became the commanding General of the Army Engineer Center and Commandant of the United States Army Engineer School at Fort Belvoir. With the escalation of the Vietnam War, he supervised the training of engineer units for duty in Vietnam. He established a ten-month training course to prepare field officers for command at the battalion level and for duty on staffs of divisions and higher formations. Shorter courses were created to turn out platoon commanders, and he re-established the Officer Candidate School there to turn qualified enlisted personnel into junior officers. Now a major general, he was appointed the Deputy Chief of Engineers in December 1966. During his tour of duty, he was principally concerned with engineer activities in support of the war in Vietnam. On 1 August 1969, he became the Chief of Engineers, with the rank of lieutenant general. His office had an annual budget of $1.8 billion (equivalent to $ billion in ) for civil engineering works in the United States and $1 billion (equivalent to $ billion in ) for military construction. Clarke guided the Corps of Engineers as it devoted increased attention to the environmental impact of its work. He was awarded the Distinguished Service Medal and was elected to the National Academy of Engineering in 1973.

When Clarke retired from the Army on 1 July 1973 after 36 years of service, he was the last member of the West Point class of 1937 on active duty.

Later life
After leaving the Army, Clarke served as executive director of the National Commission on Water Quality. In the 1980s, he was a consultant to the Tippetts, Abbett, McCarthy, Stratton engineering firm. He died in Fort Belvoir, Virginia, on 4 February 2002, and was buried in Arlington National Cemetery.

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Grand Concourse (Bronx)

The Grand Concourse (also known as the Grand Boulevard and Concourse) is a 5.2 mi thoroughfare in the borough of the Bronx in New York City. Grand Concourse runs through several neighborhoods, including Bedford Park, Concourse, Highbridge, Fordham, Mott Haven, Norwood and Tremont. For most of its length, the Concourse is 180 ft wide, though portions of the Concourse are narrower.

The Grand Concourse was designed by Louis Aloys Risse, an immigrant from Saint-Avold, Lorraine, France. Risse first conceived of the road in 1890, and the Concourse was built between 1894 and 1909, with an additional extension in 1927. The development of the Concourse led to the construction of apartment buildings (a plurality of six-story high-class semi-fireproof elevator apartment houses was perceptibly interspersed with buildings that ranged from a more affordable tier of five-story New Law walk-up apartment houses to a handful of taller fireproof apartment houses comparable to those on Manhattan's luxury thoroughfares) surrounding the boulevard. By 1939, it was called "the Park Avenue of middle-class Bronx residents". A period of decline followed in the 1960s and 1970s, when these residences became dilapidated and the Concourse was redesigned to be more motorist-friendly. Renovation and redevelopment started in the 1980s, and a portion of the Grand Concourse was reconstructed starting in the 2000s.

The southern portion of the Grand Concourse is surrounded by several historically important residential buildings, which were listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1987 as part of the Grand Concourse Historic District. In 2011, the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission designated numerous buildings around the Grand Concourse as part of a city landmark district. Additionally, several individual points of interest are located on or near the Concourse, including the Bronx Museum of the Arts and Edgar Allan Poe Cottage.

Description
The Grand Concourse's southern terminus is at 138th Street. Shortly afterward, it merges with the entrance ramp to southbound Major Deegan Expressway (I-87), as well as the exit ramp from northbound I-87. The Grand Concourse continues as a divided eight-lane avenue, with two to three traffic lanes in each direction, until 161st Street. North of there, the service roads in each direction begin, and a unidirectional buffered bike lane runs on the left edge of either service road. The Grand Concourse is briefly a ten-lane boulevard with four roadways, two in each direction, until just south of 165th Street. There, the northbound and southbound inner roadways merge into a five-lane undivided roadway with two lanes in each direction and a left-turn lane and painted median in the center. The buffered bike lanes on each service road end at 171st Street, and conventional bike lanes start on the right lane of the respective service roads. This configuration with three roadways (two service roads and one main road) continues north until Mosholu Parkway, where the Grand Concourse ends. At Fordham Road, the main road passes underneath in a grade-separated junction, while the service roads intersect with Fordham Road.

Between approximately 161st and 204th Streets, the New York City Subway's IND Concourse Line runs under the Grand Concourse. The IRT Jerome Avenue Line also runs underneath the boulevard for a short section south of 149th Street, and the 149th Street–Grand Concourse station complex  serves the boulevard. The Bx1 local bus and the BxM4 express bus run the entire length of the Grand Concourse, while the Bx2 local bus runs on the Concourse north of 149th Street.

Construction
Risse first conceived of the road in 1890, as a means of connecting the borough of Manhattan to the northern Bronx. Construction began on the Grand Concourse in 1894 and it was opened to traffic in November 1909. Built during the height of the City Beautiful movement, it was modeled on the Champs-Élysées in Paris but is considerably larger, stretching four miles (6 km) in length, measuring 180 ft across, and separated into three roadways by tree-lined dividers, so some minor streets did not cross the Concourse. The cost of the project was $14 million (worth $0 today).

The Grand Concourse originally stretched from Bronx Borough Hall at 161st Street north to Van Cortlandt Park. It was expanded southward to 138th Street in 1927 after Mott Avenue was widened to accommodate the boulevard. Evidence of the Grand Concourse extension's old name is present at the 149th Street–Grand Concourse station, where there are signs reading "Mott Avenue".

Development
The Interborough Rapid Transit Company's Jerome Avenue Line opened a few blocks west of the Grand Concourse in 1917, initiating a housing boom amongst upwardly mobile, predominantly Jewish and Italian, families who were fleeing the crowded tenements of Manhattan. In 1923, Yankee Stadium opened near the Grand Concourse at 161st Street, down the hill from the Concourse Plaza Hotel. South of Fordham Road, the palatial Loew's Paradise theater, one of the Loew's Wonder Theatres and at one time the largest movie theater in New York City, was constructed in 1929.

Development of the Concourse was further encouraged by the opening of the Independent Subway System's Concourse Line in 1933. By the mid-1930s, almost three hundred apartment buildings had been built along the Concourse. Customarily five or six stories high with wide entrance courtyards bordered with grass and shrubs, among these apartments are many of the finest examples of Art Deco and Art Moderne architecture in the United States. Even though the Great Depression, which was happening at the time, ended the period of tremendous growth, privately financed apartment buildings continued to be constructed. Furthermore, work was done on the Grand Concourse as part of WPA programs. During this period, the Bronx had more amenities than other boroughs: in 1934, almost 99% of residences had private bathrooms, and 95% had central heating. In the 1939 WPA Guide to New York City, the Grand Concourse was described as "the Park Avenue of middle-class Bronx residents, and the lease to an apartment in one of its many large buildings is considered evidence of at least moderate business success."

Decline
In 1941, the New York City Planning Department proposed converting the boulevard into an expressway, in order to connect the Major Deegan Expressway and the proposed Park Avenue Expressway to the south with the Mosholu Parkway to the north. However, these plans were abandoned following the southern extension of the Bronx River Parkway in the 1940s and the extension of the Major Deegan Expressway to the north in the 1950s.

The south and central Bronx rapidly deteriorated in the 1960s, as there was general disinvestment in the region's real estate, exacerbated by urban renewal and redlining programs. Many white residents of the South Bronx left for suburban areas in a process known as white flight; they were helped by the construction of the Interstate Highway System. At the same time, African Americans and Puerto Ricans were moving to the Bronx for blue-collar jobs; however, these jobs were increasingly being shifted to the suburbs, the Southern United States, and other countries. Racial discrimination against these demographic groups prevented them from moving to the suburbs, forcing them into deteriorating urban housing stock. The buildings around the Concourse thus came to be perceived as old and low-rent, and subsequent cycles of disinvestment led landlords on the Concourse to pay decreasingly less attention to their housing stock, while banks and insurance companies failed to give financial support to these neighborhoods. Further outward migration between 1968 and 1970 drained the areas along the Grand Concourse of most of its remaining middle-class residents. Many buildings in the area were damaged by arson, vandalism, and a lack of maintenance.

The road itself was modified to be more hospitable to motorists. During the 1960s, the New York City Department of Parks and Recreation removed the grass median on the Concourse and replaced it with cement that was painted green. By the 1980s, The New York Times characterized the Concourse as "a driver’s paradise". Traffic lights were timed so that motorists received a "green wave", moving through multiple intersections per light cycle. Meanwhile, pedestrian crossings and trees were eliminated, and green highway signs were placed on the Concourse.

Restoration
During the 1980s, landlords along the Concourse and elsewhere in the South Bronx began rehabilitating their buildings. The Bronx Museum of the Arts, was one of the institutions to move to the area, relocating in 1982 to a former synagogue at Grand Concourse and 167th Street. The city created the "Special Grand Concourse Preservation District" in 1989 to preserve the character of residential buildings on the Concourse. This led to new building developments on the Concourse starting in the 1990s, including the Rafael Viñoly-designed Bronx Housing Courthouse at 1118 Grand Concourse. In addition, basement stores started opening on the Concourse in the 1980s, serving the predominantly minority communities around the boulevard. By 2003, a New York Times writer observed that "every block between 161st Street and 196th Street now has a grocery, a barber shop, a travel agency or a medical clinic".

Boulevard reconstruction
By the early 1990s, politicians and community advocates strove to make the Concourse more usable for pedestrians. At that time, the Concourse was one of the most dangerous streets in New York City, with twelve pedestrians dying in 1991, rivaling the reputation of Queens Boulevard as the "Boulevard of Death". In 1992, the New York City Department of Transportation (NYCDOT) conducted a study of the Grand Concourse, which resulted in improvements such as left-turn signals; pedestrian barriers; roadway markings; repainted crosswalks; and new and improved signage. These improvements continued along the entire corridor through 2006. As an experiment, the NYCDOT also completely rebuilt the section between 161st Street and 167th Streets starting in 1999, as a "demonstration" project. The Grand Concourse underwent an $18 million restoration and landscaping to widen and landscape the medians; improve lighting; add new signage; build pedestrian planters in the medians; and add bike lanes. This resulted in a 69% drop in accidents along this section between 1998 and 2005. The final part of the demonstration project was completed in 2008.

Following the success of the "demonstration" reconstruction, the NYCDOT unveiled a four-phase capital project between 161st Street and Fordham Road as part of a capital project, which would receive funding directly from the city. The demonstration project was the first phase of the capital project. A reconstruction of the Grand Concourse between 166th and 171st Street began in 2013 and was finished in June 2017. Funding is being allocated for a reconstruction of the Grand Concourse from 171st Street to 175th Street, which is already in planning. In January 2017, the New York City Department of Transportation started planning for a fourth phase, which will renovate the section between 175th Street and Fordham Road.

Gentrification
Because of its attractive art deco buildings and close proximity to Manhattan, the southern portion has been experiencing gentrification and is drawing many young professionals to the area. Since the 2000s, the area around the Grand Concourse has been the center of what real estate agents are calling a “renewal", with new residents moving in, and severe crime rates having decreased significantly. The New York Times cited several residents who believed that, while the region would experience demographic changes, it would be working-class, “community-oriented” people, as opposed to the richer individuals that have gentrified other neighborhoods of the city.

Significant buildings
Several buildings of importance to New York City and the Bronx, both because of their history and their current use, are located along the Grand Concourse. There are also numerous structures designated as New York City Landmarks (NYCL) and National Register of Historic Places (NRHP) on the Concourse. From south to north (in increasing address order), they include:

 * 558 Grand Concourse – The Bronx General Post Office (NRHP, NYCL; built 1935-1937; architect Thomas Harlan Ellett). The interior includes a notable series of New Deal-era murals in fresco created in 1939 by Ben Shahn and Bernarda Bryson Shahn.
 * 851 Grand Concourse – The Bronx County Courthouse (NRHP, NYCL; built 1931-1934; architect Joseph H. Freelander and Max Hausle)
 * 1040 Grand Concourse – The Bronx Museum of the Arts (built 1961, converted to museum 1982, addition 2006)
 * 1125 Grand Concourse – Andrew Freedman Home (NYCL; built 1924; architect Friedlander Jacobs), later converted into a small hotel
 * 1150 Grand Concourse – The Fish Building (built 1937)
 * 2403 Grand Concourse – Loew's Paradise Theater (NYCL; built 1929)
 * 2516-2530 Grand Concourse – Dollar Savings Bank Building (NYCL; built 1932–33, 1937–38, and 1949–52; architect Adolf L. Muller of Halsey, McCormack & Helmer). The 10-story headquarters of the Dollar Dry Dock Savings Banks (now liquidated), it contains a clock tower at its top.
 * 2640 Grand Concourse – Poe Cottage, the last home of Edgar Allan Poe (NRHP, NYCL; built 1812; architect John Wheeler)

Grand Concourse Historic District
In 2011, the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission designated the Grand Concourse from 153rd to 167th Streets as part of the Grand Concourse Historic District. The State of New York had previously nominated the buildings at 730–1000, 1100–1520, 1560, and 851–1675 Grand Concourse for listing on the National Register of Historic Places as a historic district.

In popular culture

 * On the 1970s hit sitcom Rhoda, Rhoda Morgenstern's parents Martin and Ida Morgenstern lived on the Grand Concourse. The historic 1974 episode "Rhoda's Wedding" showed actress Valerie Harper (as Rhoda) running through the Bronx in her wedding gown, and running across the Grand Concourse into her parents' building. It was shot on location.
 * The Fordham Road-Concourse area and Krum's soda fountain are featured in Avery Corman's The Old Neighborhood novel.
 * In Jacob M. Appel's story, "The Grand Concourse" (2007), a woman who grew up in the Lewis Morris Building returns to the Morrisania neighborhood with her adult daughter to discover the boulevard is far from how she remembers it.
 * In Ayn Rand's Novel, "The Fountainhead," Peter Keating and Dominique Francon are driving to Connecticut to find a judge and get married. She tells him, "Get to the Grand Concourse. Fewer lights there."

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Ross River, Yukon

Ross River is an unincorporated community in Yukon, Canada. It lies at the junction of the Ross River and the Pelly River, along the Canol Road, not far from the Campbell Highway. Primary access to the Campbell Highway is via a nine-mile access road. Formerly it was accessed along a six-mile Canol Road section that is no longer maintained. It is serviced by Ross River Airport, used mainly for charter and scheduled flights to and from Whitehorse and Watson Lake.

It is the home of the Ross River Dena Council, a First Nation in eastern Yukon.

History
The confluence of the Ross and Pelly rivers had long been used as a gathering place for First Nation peoples, particularly in the late summer. The first permanent settlement was established in 1901 when Tom Smith started a small fur trading post on the north bank of the Pelly and called the spot Smiths Landing. That winter approximately 15 First Nation families overwintered near the post, creating the beginnings of the permanent community of Ross River. By 1903 a second, rival trading post was set up on the south bank of the Pelly opposite Smiths Landing. The settlement attracted an increasing number of people, mostly the Kaska but including many First Nation people from the Mackenzie River region who would travel over the divide to meet others, trade, and sometimes stay. By 1914 over 1,000 people were gathering at Ross River in the late summer. But a severe influenza epidemic in 1916 hit the community's First Nation people hard, and increasing economic activity and new trading posts along the Mackenzie River reduced the population.

World War II and the years immediately following brought massive changes to Ross River. The building of the Canol Road and pipeline between 1942 and 1944 brought a massive, but temporary, influx of newcomers and the new road made the community more accessible, although the road closed in 1946 and did not reopen until 1958. The late 1940s and early 1950s also saw a collapse of fur prices and the permanent closure of most of the region's fur trading posts — including Pelly Banks, Sheldon Lake, Rose Point, Frances Lake and Macmillan River. By 1952 Ross River had the only remaining trading post in the region. The Canol Road shifted the commercial centre of the community to the south bank of the Pelly River at the new ferry crossing point and the federal government began pressuring the First Nation to move across the river from the Old Village. By the mid 1960s the community of Ross River assumed the shape it has today.

Climate
Ross River has subarctic climate (Dfc) with long, severely cold winters and short but mild summers.

Demographics
In the 2021 Census of Population conducted by Statistics Canada, Ross River had a population of $355$ living in $160$ of its $184$ total private dwellings, a change of NaN% from its 2016 population of $293$. With a land area of 20.48 km2, it had a population density of in 2021.

Economy
Mining exploration increased in the region around Ross River through the 1950s and an exploration and mining boom occurred in the 1960s and 1970s with the discovery and development of the Faro mine.

In 1950 and 1951 Al Kulan, who was inducted into the Canadian Mining Hall of Fame in 2005, prospected the Pelly Range. In 1952 he located mineralization in the Anvil district. In 1953 Ross River Dena citizen Jack Sterriah mentioned a heavy concentration of rust in Vangorda Creek that he had known about as a boy. That year Kulan, Peter Thompson along with Dena citizens Arthur John, China Sterriah, Jack Ladue and Robert Etzel prospected Vangorda Creek and found the first significant mineralization in the area on July 2. They, along with Dena members Joe Etzel and Jack Steriah, were issued shares in the company formed as a result of the discovery, Vangorda Mines Ltd. The property was optioned to Prospectors Airways, headquartered in Toronto.

Arthur John, a Dena elder, learned prospecting from, and worked with, Kulan in the early 1950s and his fluency in English enabled him to serve as an intermediary between Kulan and other Ross River Dena members who also learned to identify minerals. John had a long career prospecting with Conwest Exploration as well as Kulan's companies Spartan Exploration and Welcome North Mines.

From 1954 to 1957 Kulan prospected north-west of the Vangorda and discovered a rusty area. Geochemical and geophysical surveys resulted in several drill targets. Prospectors Airways would only pay for a packsack drill. The first drill hole was attempted over the No. 2 orebody of what, a decade later, would become Canada's largest lead-zinc mine. This hole could not reach the bedrock due to heavy overburden. The program was discontinued. In 1964 the property was re-staked by Dynasty Explorations which Kulan was a director and officer of. Dynasty staked large tracts of the district and identified many drill targets. Due to lack of funds they joined forces with Cyprus Mines Corporation of Los Angeles. The joint venture was running over budget when a move was made to one of the mineralized sites selected by Kulan, which was one of the last hopes for the discovery of a successful body of ore. In the summer of 1965 the discovery of the mine was made and resulted in the biggest staking rush the Yukon Territory had ever seen. The mine closed permanently in 1997.

Media
The Ross River community was too small to get a satellite-serviced transmitter for CBC and did not even have a CBC Radio broadcast transmitter – residents would drive to Faro to listen to the 1972 Canada-Russia hockey series.

The first television service arrived after intervention from Al Kulan, who hired a helicopter and pilot from Whitehorse and flew from mountaintop to mountaintop on a bitterly cold night to find the signal from Faro's five-watt CBC TV transmitter (at the time, only transmitting four hours per day). After a signal was detected on Grew Creek Hill, a plan was developed and presented to the community association. The association approved action without an official licence, due to their dismay at the extensive bureaucracy that was delaying installation of a CBC radio transmitter.

Kulan paid for the equipment, and the community's men volunteered their work, bulldozing a road up the mountain. With some makeshift provision of tower and generator, the repeater began operating about the end of March 1973, picking up Faro's signal (now 12 hours per day off the Anik satellite).

The transmitter caught the government's attention, but the residents steadfastly refused to shut it down and requested a licence. In early 1975, CBC Radio was finally installed. Ross River's community effort led in 1976 to other similar projects that brought TV to every community; Teslin installed their own satellite dish (illegal until 1979), and the Yukon government attempted to negotiate a lower lease price with Telesat Canada which had a monopoly on satellite earth stations until 1979.

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Cheng Nan-jung

Cheng Nan-jung (鄭南榕, Hokkien: Tēnn Lâm-iông; nicknamed Nylon Deng; 12 September 1947 – 7 April 1989) was a Taiwanese publisher and pro-democracy activist. He was the founder of the Freedom Era Weekly. He is most known internationally for setting himself on fire in support of freedom of speech.

Background and career
Cheng's father was a Waishengren from Fuzhou, Fujian and his mother was from Keelung, Taiwan. His parents had four sons. Cheng was born in the year of the February 28 Incident. On his first job-seeking résumé, Cheng Nan-jung wrote: "I was born the year of the February 28 Incident, and this incident has tormented me throughout my life.... Only because we were protected by our neighbors were we Waishengrens safe from the wave of retaliation from the Taiwanese." He wrote that his experience growing up in the White Terror drove his commitment to Taiwan independence.

Cheng studied engineering at Taiwan Provincial Cheng Kung University, and philosophy at Fu Jen Catholic University and National Taiwan University. He refused to take the classes on Sun Yat-sen Thought (國父思想), which did not become optional until 2006, and handed back his National Taiwan University graduation certificate.

In March 1984, he founded Freedom Era Weekly and declared that "[it was] fighting for 100 percent freedom of speech." Cheng Nan-jung had registered 18 different magazines as "spare tires" for use when the Kuomintang banned the magazine and suspended publication. He said, "I'm not scared of arrest nor of being killed, basically, I'll fight them to the very end." The magazine was banned several times by the authorities but continued to be printed and distributed.

Immolation and aftermath
In 1989, Cheng was charged with insurrection for printing a proposal for a constitution for the Republic of Taiwan. An arrest warrant was issued. He refused to appear in court. When the police attempted to break into his office in order to arrest him on April 7, he committed suicide by self-immolation. He set fire to his office and died in the blaze. His immolation protest against the Kuomintang was covered by Formosa Television several years later.

At Cheng's funeral on May 19, another Taiwanese pro-democracy activist, Chan I-hua, also immolated himself when the funeral procession was blocked by police.

Cheng's widow, Yeh Chu-lan, held senior positions in the Democratic Progressive Party administration between 2000 and 2005. Former Vice Premier, she was acting mayor of Kaohsiung from July 2005 to December 2006. In 2007 she was mentioned as a possible running mate for Frank Hsieh in the 2008 Taiwan Presidential Election, but in the end Hsieh picked Su Tseng-chang.

In 1999, a museum dedicated to Cheng called the Cheng Nan-jung Liberty Museum was opened in Taipei. The museum rests on the venue where Cheng immolated himself. On 22 December 2016, the Executive Yuan announced that 7 April every year would become Freedom of Expression Day to commemorate his death.

In November 2013, the National Cheng Kung University renowned for its political sciences studies held a vote to choose the name for a new square. Cheng's name won the vote, but the university chief secretary preferred to ignore the vote outcome.

title: Cheng Nan-jung


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Talk:WrestleMania 22

Main Event, part 2
Shouldn't the Angle/Orton/Mysterio match be listed as the overall main event? Cena/Triple H is just the RAW main event. 68.47.234.131 04:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Cena getting booed isn't POV. The commentators, fans, WWE.com, and Cena himself all talked about it.
 * It's not notable though for a PPV RESULTS section. Also, out your comments at the bottom, not the top or middle of a section. TJ Spyke 04:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I definatly agree with you, man. The true main event for Wrestlemania, and the last match of the show, is the Royal Rumble winner's title shot (therefore being the triple threat match). Jman5 06:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

 * The order of matches is the exact order of WWE.com. Perry 17:35, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Fine, although WWE.com does scramble their matches around, frequently. The last match will be the triple threat. Jman5 07:36, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I wouldn't be too sure of that. Lord knows Triple H would love nothing more than for WrestleMania to go off the air with the last image being him holding his new title high in the air... and he'll talk to Daddy to make sure it happens.  Besides, Smackdown is typically the B-show anyway, so they'll probably make that one of the later matches, but not the final main event.  Why do you think the Raw main event is advertised on top?  HHH wouldn't have it any other way. Anthony Hit me up... 11:26, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

 * The match that ended Wrestlemania XIX, was the B-Show title match. So don't be so sure that, that will be the case. And another thing, HHH is not always looking for the spotlight, he jobbed the last two manias. He also went on a 3 month hiatus to let the younger guys get over, and jobbed from Wrestlemania 21 all the way to Taboo Tuesday 2005. Jman5 22:29, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

 * The fact remains that HHH is the biggest star that the WWE have, and WWE are trying to push John Cena to that level (even though it clearly isn't working for obvious reasons) - WWE maybe hope that the WM match will put Cena over even further with the fans (even if he loses to Hunter).. and so that's why this math should be the last on the card - the MAIN main event, no matter what typical IWC geek morons say about HHH and his 'politics'. As good as Angle is, his opponents, Orton and Mysterio aren't at the level of Cena yet...

 * And I quote the above user, "Orton and Mysterio aren't at the level of Cena yet." That is without a shadow of a doubt the dumbest Wrestling-related comment EVER made. Now I'm not gonna type every little thing that makes Orton/Mysterio better than Cena, because that would take months to type and weeks to read. Perry 03:42, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

 * That statement about Rey and Orton not being at the level of Cena is so true...they are leagues above John Cena and anything he could do in the ring at this point. I think the WWE just listed the matches in the order of importance as they see it from greatest to smallest...which goes to show what they think of certain superstars and/or brands. 71.29.36.55 06:31, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

 * And I quote Perry, "And I quote the above user, 'Orton and Mysterio aren't at the level of Cena yet.' That is without a shadow of a doubt the dumbest Wrestling-related comment EVER made. H-yuck!"
 * You are a typical member of the IWC - the type that thinks that WWE should revolve around the likes of Chris Benoit, "because they're real wrestlers H-Yuck!" I said that Orton and Mysterio aren't at the level of Cena IN TERMS OF MAIN EVENT STATUS. JOHN CENA IS BEING PUSHED AS THE NUMBER ONE FACE ON RAW. Mysterio and Orton haven't quite been solidified as main event players as WWE have pushed Cena as. And if you don't understand that, you don't understand sports entertainment very much. Go back to your TNA wrestling. Oh, and before you call me a Cena mark, I probably hate John Cena more than you do. I wish he would just go away. I said what I said because it's how it is, not how I want it to be.
 * I'm not sticking up for Perry here but the reason why Orton and Mysterio aren't seen as main eventers yet is because WWE hasn't really given them a chance to firmly run with the ball. I mean take a look at Randy Orton, he had a run as (WWE) World Heavyweight Champion that barely even lasted a month.  Now who did he beat for the Championship?  He defeated Chris Benoit, a man who after winning arguably the most important match in his professional wrestling career was regulated to 2nd class citizenship as World Champion behind the on-going feud that Triple H had with Shawn Michaels, or anything involving Triple H in general during his reign.  Even more so, he was given opponents that even the casual fan saw as a minor threat to Benoit, like Kane.  He may have been a monster when he debuted for the then WWF over 7 years ago, but no one takes him seriously as a main eventer or WWE/World Championship contender today.  Randy Orton could have had a chance to be something special or do something special and really earn that main event status when he was World Heavyweight Champion (that's the purpose of a championship like that, to elevate a wrestler's stance/position within a wrestling company) but instead WWE decided to cut his legs out from under him and stop any momentum he had going.  It's taken him this long to be considered as a legit challenger for any premier championship and I'm not sure how many people out there that watch WWE programming consider him a front-runner to win the World Heavyweight Championship at WrestleMania.  Rey Mysterio is one of a kind, no doubt about it, however WWE (in my opinion) doesn't know how to push Rey or are afraid of pushing him to maximum potential because he is the opposite of everything that WWE see their main-event wrestlers (meaning big, tall, muscular, larger than life athletes...almost superhuman, if you will).  I'm not saying Rey should have been main eventing WWE Pay-Per-Views all along or that he should be WWE/World Heavyweight Champion but Rey is one of those special wrestlers that when you look at him, you can say "hey, I believe he can main event a pay-per-view" or "hey, I believe Rey will beat Kurt Angle and Randy Orton for the World Heavyweight Championship" but WWE really hasn't given Rey a chance to establish that.  The only thing going in Rey's favor right now is that (presumably) WWE doesn't see him as a Crusierweight (but it doesn't stop them from dipping him back in that division every now and again) so he gets some limited opportunities with what he's given.  If WWE had put just the slightest effort in pushing Rey Mysterio as a true main eventer (without using the Eddie Guerrero factor) Rey could be seen as a main eventer.  That doesn't mean he needs to beat every main eventer on SmackDown but if he were to be given more credible feuds in the past, they wouldn't need to exploit the death of Eddie Guerrero to put Rey in the main event of WrestleMania. Main event status of professional wrestlers (or sports entertainers) in the WWE simply perception.  That means whomever WWE sees as a main-eventer will be pushed as a main eventer no matter what, don't believe me well take a look at Batista.  In 2004 Batista was no where near main event status (he was barely midcard status as an Evolution flunkie) but something within the WWE made them think that Batista could be a main eventer and slowly (but surely) they did with Batista and it worked.  Same thing with Cena...WWE saw Cena as a future main eventer...but took the opposite route with him, which is why so many fans resent him and his push as main eventer.  In my opinion, Cena should be upper mid card (who dabs in the main event spot light every now and gain) at this point of his career, not full-fledged main eventer.  He needs more polishing (and few more moves) under his belt before he's at that level.  Sure he's charismatic but that can only get you so far with the fans (even if you are under the gun of the WWE hype machine) before fans start to revolt...which is what is happening to Cena.  It has been proven, no true main eventer in the WWE can get by on charisma alone (Cena) or wrestling ability alone (Benoit)...but that a combination of the two (i.e. Edge - who should be in this years WrestleMania main event, Triple H, Angle, Michaels) is the key to being a true main-eventer in the eyes of the fans.  Off the top of my head,  there's only a handful of wrestlers that I can think of that can get over as main eventers using one extreme or the other, and those wrestlers include The Rock, Hulk Hogan from the charismatic stand point and Bret Hart from the wrestling stand point.  However, this my own opinion on the situation at hand. 71.29.36.55 22:26, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Like you said, that was just YOUR OPINION, yes. and I agree with some of what you have to say. I hate the fact that the MAJORITY (yes, majority) of the IWC treat their own OPINIONS as facts - they tell the world how Vince is killing the WWE just because (THEY THINK) there should be more 'rassling.. h-yuck... on RAW and Smackdown... this is despite evidence that the average TV viewer doesn#t care too much about pure wrestling and wants storylines and talking. It's the same people that think JBL killed Smackdown, that HHH 'really' runs the show backstage and that Chris Benoit is the WWE's saviour (even though ratings dropped when he was champ)... The IWC are not worth listening to... HHH, JBL, Edge and Vince are right about them... Matt 29/3/06

Cena getting booed isn't POV. The commentators, fans, WWE.com, and Cena himself all talked about it.
 * It's not notable though for a PPV RESULTS section. Also, out your comments at the bottom, not the top or middle of a section. TJ Spyke 04:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Wow what a Wrestlemania were going to have
This is going to be better then last year Wresltemania so many good matches this year

and omg what about the playboy fight wow so  into this Wrestlemnia  22

 * It'll be ok, but I doubt it will be better than last years. It sure as hell will be a lot better than IX though.-3bulletproof16 19:33, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Are you being sarcastic about that Playboy pillow fight? Please say yes.. that match isn't worthy of being on Heat, let alone WM...

 * I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but in my opinion this year's WM will be better than lasts'. Perry 18:26, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

 * This user can't spell, he brings up stupid topics, and he does not sign his name. He can't get anything right. This wrestlemania will not be as good as last year, the card on paper does not match last year's standards. Jman5 23:05, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Does it really matter that the match will be a terrible wrestling display? Personally i will be looking at two good looking divas.

Trivia Notes
Please note, whoever reads this, that Bobby Lashley is indeed in the MITB Ladder Match and Booker vs. Boogeyman will now be Booker & Sharmell vs. Boogeyman, but SmackDown has not aired yet, so don't add Lashley or Sharmell to the trivia section and say that it will be his debut at Wrestlemania until after SmackDown airs this week. -Adamaniac 16:52, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

 * --HEY THANKS FOR RUINING SMACKDOWN FOR ME... (added: and yet still after you read this comment you added another spoiler to yours!!!! You're just as bad, if not worse than those trolls that add spoilers to the main pages - oh and go ahead and give me another warning for flaming... I know personally that I am not in the wrong here) Matt - 21-22 March 2006.

 * Just because you might be "in the right" does not give you the right to personally attack or flame someone. Eenu (talk) 19:34, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I've added a piece of trivia about the diffrent logos for WrestleMania 22. I thought it would be a nice piece of interesting info as this usually doesn't happen. --3bulletproof16 17:16, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

 * 71.29.36.55 22:53, 28 March 2006 (UTC) "At 165 pounds Rey Mysterio is, pound for pound, the smallest (and shortest) person to ever compete in a main event match at WrestleMania." Perhaps this, or some variant could be placed in the trivia/facts section of the WrestleMania article...I think it has some merit...I just won't add it.

WrestleMania 21 Battle Royal - Official Match?
Why is there a war raging over adding/removing Chris Masters from the list of people making competitive WreslteMania debuts? A DVD battle royal DOES NOT COUNT. If Heat/DVD matches counted, then the world tag titles were defended in a standard match at WM XIX, making the note about it being the first since WM XV incorrect.

 * A DVD match does count since it takes place at? WrestleMania. Heat matches don't count because it's takes place on? HEAT. Perry 02:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

 * When I watched WrestleMania 21 on PPV last year, I don't recall seeing Chris Masters wrestle on PPV. Therefore, WrestleMania 22 is his debut. Hell let's just go change the WrestleMania IX page to say Owen Hart vs. Papa Shango is an official WrestleMania match or the SummerSlam 92 page to say El Matador vs Papa Shango happened. Yes, I understand your point and I'm being rather facetious with my last two statements, but the bottom line is that as far as history is concerned, the WM21 battle royal was a dark match that just happens to be on the DVD as an extra match.

 * Nevertheless a match that took place at WrestleMania. To say debut is to say his first time at WrestleMania which is not true. Now you can say it is his televised WrestleMania debut. Perry 03:53, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Fair enough, sounds like a good compromise - DrVenkman

 * Indeed. We should in future distinguish between "competed" at WrestleMania and "televised" on WrestleMania, since there have been a lot of WM matches overs years which didn't make it to TV, just like dark matches at Raw or a Smackdown taping. BronzeWarrior 23:04, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Spoilers
I believe that wrestling involving taped shows should be treated the same as movies and spoiler warnings should be posted. The changes to the wrestlemania card involving the smackdown tapings from 3/20 should either have not been posted yet or spoiler warnings should be put up.Vinnyxvincent 10:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi, it's Wikipedia's policy to not spoil WWE taped events. If you notice spoilers, be bold and remove them. Eenu (talk) 19:51, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Layout
Why must you guys insist on having the entire match card in big bold letters? It makes the page look so ugly and un-encyclopedia like. Also, what's the deal with the Money in the Bank match? We don't need RAW or Smackdown after every single superstar. I try to clean things up, but then someone goes and messes everything back up. >:-( OutRider2003 22:11, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

 * This format is standard among all WrestleMania articles (look at the previous 20). We do need RAW/SD after each wrestler to know which side they are on (some may forget when reading this article years from now. So it is not messed up as you say it is. Perry 00:47, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No. You do not need those grotesque section headers until you have something to say under each of them. That is what the articles have, and this one is just absolutely terrible the way you insist on reverting it to. So for now, can we try a bulleted list until there is a paragraph or so to actually say? -Splash talk 02:36, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Why do you care how the page is edited? It conforms to the standard of the other pages, which should be the only criteria - consistancy. If you want to change this to a bulleted list you should be prepared to change the other 21 pages as well. BronzeWarrior 23:06, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Money in the Bank
Do not remove Lashley from the Ladder match. Canada gets SmackDown on Thursday, and it has been confirmed that Lashley is in the match. --Killswitch Engage 02:46, 24 March 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage

 * Sadly it has to air in the US before it gets added. It's Wikipedia's rule and WWE.com also waits until it airs in the US before adding results. So just wait 'til tomorrow. Perry 03:34, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Exactly, what perry said. If many of not seen it, do not spoil it for them, no matter how obvious the result of the outcome is. Jman5 04:16, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

K that is stupid. Its not my fault that Canada gets it before the U.S. Don't get pissed when i say i tod you so. Oh and if you dont know where Canada is, it's north of the states. Just a note. --Killswitch Engage 22:52, 24 March 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage

 * Listen, just because it happened it Canada does not mean the whole world saw it. That is spoiling for other people, if you think that is ok, there is something wrong with you, so stop your bitching, little kid! Jman5 22:58, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Australia also gets Smackdown a day earlier than the states as do most of the world.

Hey "jman" it may just surprise you to know that im not a little kid!! Just because you got your panties in a bunch doesn't mean you need to go off on me. It may shock you that Alberta Canada law states that I can obtain my learners permit. That means I can drive if you don't know. I think that legitimetly states im no longer a "little kid". --Killswitch Engage 03:21, 1 April 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage

Unforunately, "Killswitch Engage", both Perry and Jman are right due to the fact that it's Wikipedia's rule and also the fact that it happened doesn't mean that the world has seen it. Adamaniac 07:27, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I know this is way late but here in Upstate New York, the St. Lawrence Valley area, we get Smackdown on Saturday Afternoon. Sometimes we don't even get it. ````

Were Will Wrestlemania 23 take place
Wrestlemania 23 rmuors say its going to take place in Deriort  were superbowl 40 was

 * 71.29.36.55 14:29, 24 March 2006 (UTC) I don't know where it will take place, but I do know for certain, it will be announced during WrestleMania 22, it's tradition. Maybe we could add that to the encyclopedic article for WrestleMania 22 since we know it's bound to happen.  Then again, that may be breaking kayfabe...something I don't want to do, especially if it will bother others.

 * The person, who brought this up his a complete retard, it is "rumors" and "Detroit" and "where". Go back to 4th grade, so you can spell properly. And no one cares where and when the hell wm23 will take place, as of now. It is in a goddamn year, no one is thinking is thinking about it right now. Jman5 22:54, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

 * :::Actually, the IWC think about it and care sooo much because they like to think they're better than normal wrestling fans, wanting to know about every little thing before it happens - somewhere in their minds they probably think they're a part of the wrestling industry because they have this 'knowledge'... Matt

 * Bitching about the IWC on the internet is like a boxer complaining his sport is too violent. BronzeWarrior 09:19, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Actually I have distanced myself from the newsboards and forums because those morons were doing my head in. The 'IWC' doesn't include wrestling fans who post FACTS in the wrestling section of an internet encyclopedia. It is where all the "real 'rassling" loving internet geeks congregate on stupid little forums to whine to each other about how bad RAW and Smackdown are going to be next week because Mr McMahon's assistant's brother-in-law's cousin's next-door neighbour posted on some kid's website what he heard (thinks) is going to happen... If these idiots hate the shows so much then why do they watch them week in, week out?

 * 67.141.243.61 22:48, 2 April 2006 (UTC) Wow, are you one of those individuals who believes that the Internet Wrestling Community is to blame for the downward spiral of the WWE (or wrestling in general) the past few years?

 * I do not blame the IWC totally for the decline of professional wrestling over the past few years, however I do believe that it is partly to blame. After all, isn't professional wrestling supposed to be a illusion? And if it's no longer an illusion to a portion of fans, how can we take it seriously enough to enjoy it seeing as we know how it's done and know what's going to happen??? Matt

Perry i just wanted to konw if like everyone could make like picks of all the macthes fro Wrestlemania
hey Perry my names matt i just wanted to know if i and other  people could make  picks on all the matches for Wresltemania 22 and post them  here would that be ok  i won't do it unitl u say so thanks.

 * I don't know if it would be appropiate, but I mean with everyone giving their insight on the PPV on this page it wouldn't matter. Just keep it short. Perry 21:52, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

CA-NA-DA!!!
Someone just recently pointed out that Smackdown airs in Canada on Thursday, which I thought was a very valid point for posting updates to the WrestleMania card. I understand there may be a Wiki policy that it's only valid if it airs in the U.S. but when I lived in Eastern Michigan there were no shortage of Canadian broadcast channels on local cable; hell with a satellite dish you could pick them up anywhere in North America. So here's the deal - since the geographical line which divides Canada and the U.S. is a definition of politicians and governments and television broadcasts + satellite dishes don't recognize those lines, shouldn't "aired in Canada" be the same as "aired in the U.S." when you can just as easily see it here? Hmm? BronzeWarrior 23:11, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

 * WWE.com doesn't post results until it airs in the US. So if WWE doesn't do it then we shouldn't. Boy, Canada gets no respect. Perry 23:19, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree. Canada gets no respect, especially when they're in Canada. I remember when Christian was still there that they kept calling it BIZARRO WORLD just because the Canadian crowd was popping for him.  I'm sitting there getting steadily more insulted, thinking "Maybe they pop because HE'S GOOD and they LIKE HIS WORK?"  Ugh.  At least JBL put over Canadian beer as being better. BronzeWarrior 09:04, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Bizarro world isn't intended to be an insult it's just how King puts into words the fact that while in Canada any Canadian wrestlers no matter how big of a heel they are in the US will get a huge pop and their opponents will (occassionally)not receive near as big of a pop. So by saying Bizarro world he means it is different from the normal reaction to said person (especially Shawn Michaels who is a big face in the US. Why can't Canada just let it go?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:71.122.102.164 (talk • contribs)

I believe Canada can't let it go because of the fact that Shawn was part of the biggest screwjob in WWE history. --Killswitch Engage 21:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage

 * It's only the biggest Screwjob in WWE History in Canada. Others have been screwed but Canadian won't let it go, and especially Bret Hart won't let it go.

 * 67.141.243.61 23:04, 2 April 2006 (UTC) Wow, do you pay attention to anything? Bret Hart (in my opinion) has already let go of the "Montreal Screwjob".  This is why he hasn't done anything or participated in anything that will bring more attention to that night than it deserves.  It's the same reason why he accepted his induction into the WWE Hall of Fame.  It's the reason why he WON'T be involved in the Vince McMahon/Shawn Michaels match (unless we end up being worked) tonight.  If anything it's Vince McMahon who won't let go of Montreal and chooses to relive it at every instance he gets.  Sad thing is that the "Montreal Incident" was just a drop in the hat of what was a great 15 plus year career of Bret Hart.  While I don't believe he is hung up on that (having a life altering event like a stroke...can change anyone's perception about something as trivial as the "Montreal Incident) I don't think anyone would blame him if he was.  I'm sure Bret has or would like to forget about it but when you have Vince McMahon (and now apparently Total Nonstop Action Wrestling) reliving or reinventing the "Montreal Incident" in one fashion or another...it kind of keeps that moment alive eventhough it's been well over 8 years since that has happened.

Well, wouldnt you not want to let it go if you were leaving WWE and you to drop the title before you left and you had the planned finish changed on you with Vince screwing you out of the title?? We are still pretty pissed and so is Bret. The anger has subsided a bit though with Bret being inducted into the Hall of Fame.--Killswitch Engage 06:59, 2 April 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage

Hall of Fame
When were Perry and Atlas cofirmed for the Hall of Fame? I didnt see it on Raw. --Killswitch Engage 00:05, 25 March 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage
 * Perry and Atlas have been confimred here. Eenu (talk) 01:41, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Match Capitalization
I believe that match names such as Triple Threat Match and No Holds Barred Match should be capitalized, because they are a WWE specialty match, therefore making it a proper noun. "Proper nouns (also called proper names) are the names of unique entities." (from Noun) Some people have disagreed with me, and I was wondering what everyone else thought. On the List of professional wrestling match types page, all matches are capitalized. Eenu (talk) 06:48, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Perry umm why u delete my pick u siad keep it short
so i did i need like 100 percent of your approvel that i can make picks on here just say yes or no  thanks

 * Don't do picks. Perry 20:38, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Trivia Note for Money in the Bank Ladder Matches
This the Third Money In the Bank Ladder Match (Matt Hardy vs. Edge "Loser leaves RAW" Match was the 2nd)

So Shelton is the only person to compete in both WrestleMania Money in the Bank Ladder Matches but not in all Money in the Bank Ladder Matches BionicWilliam 23:43, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

 * WWE.com states this is the second-ever money in the bank ladder match. Perry 01:11, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It's the second ever 6 man MITB match. Edge and Matt had one and it still counts. WWE thinks that their fans have a memory retention of about one month, so they twist truths to fit their current agenda. tv316 02:14, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It's true because on WM 22 subsite it says 2nd ever money in the bank, but on Edge's video page it says "Edge wins the Loser leaves RAW, Money in the Bank Ladder Match against Matt Hardy." Perry 02:25, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

 * So???? Matt 29/3/06

guys,nobody cares.what a nitpick encyclopedia Lord revan 05:18, 3 April 2006 (UTC) At WrestleMania 23 it will be a nine man Money in the bank match Involving 3 from raw, 3 from smackdown and 3 from ecw. So get ready because it will be big. If you don't believe it believe it I'm Vince McMahon. 11:20 A.M. August 27 2006

Theme Songs
Just so it isn't edited out again, WWE.com confirms the use of music from Danko Jones and Bullets and Octane for WrestleMania 22. It's at the bottom of the WrestleMania 22 subsite section, with samples and all that stuff.
 * That's cool, I'm sure the info can be left in. Please remember to sign your posts though, and if you have a login account to do so with four ~ keys at the end. BronzeWarrior 09:06, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh man, so many theme songs! When are they gonna find the time to play all of them? Jman5 06:15, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It's a four-hour show, they'll figure it out, lol. Eenu (talk) 07:41, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm quite sure they'll just use "Big Time" as the opening theme, "I Dare You" for the ending recap video and "Baby Hates Me" and "Save Me Sorrow" in build-up video packages. --Oakster 11:55, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you are probably correct, oakster. Speaking of theme songs, god I am getting tired of the "Big Time" song. They use a song for Wrestlemania 22 that they could've used for Wrestlemania 2. It certainly is different than the usual songs they use, for example: "KoRn", "Seether, "Drowning Pool", and "Saliva", etc, as opposed to Peter Gabriel. Jman5 23:17, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Start/Finish Time
Hi All... I can seem to find what time the show actually starts and finishes, can anyone help me out with that? --TedEBare 03:56, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Show starts at 7 PM EDT (4 PM PDT) and ends around 11 PM EDT. Eenu (talk) 05:15, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't forget to set your clock back one hour on Sunday morning or you'll be off for the actual show start. BronzeWarrior 09:20, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 71.29.36.55 12:11, 30 March 2006 (UTC) Spring Forward, Fall Back

Erm...
Is it just me, or did the Backlash promo give away the ending to the Cena/HHH match? Poofyspikes 00:46, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't see WrestleMania and therefore didn't see the ad. What exactly was it? Jeff Silvers 03:07, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

There were loads of things like that - e.g JBL winning the US title, you knew Rey would become World heavyweight - Angle's tweener, Orton's Heel, and Smackdown can't have 3 heel champs (MNM + JBL) can it? Kingfisherswift 16:43, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

How did the Backlash promo give away the ending of the Cena match?? Cena never lost the belt and so therefore didn't need to 'take back what was his'... SCREW YOU IWC KNOW-NOTHING KNOW-IT-ALLS!!!!

 * If you're going to call names and be verbally abusive, at least have the guts to sign your comments. IWC is well aware that Vince intentionally changes match endings and puts up false ads and posters to swerve endings. Therefore most of the "know-it-alls" you're bitching about wouldn't have assumed Trips was winning just because of the Backlash ad. BronzeWarrior 03:12, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

D-Generation X
While HBK and Triple H made DX references during the show, it's not important enough to have it warrant its own section. The references should be included in the Trivia or Results section. OutRider2003 03:12, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I moved them, but apparently someone decided to move them back. Jeff Silvers 03:16, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I elaborated on it in the Results for the John Cena vs. Triple H match. That should work out for the best. OutRider2003 03:21, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Appears someone moved it into the Trivia. OutRider2003 03:42, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

"Fuck you, Cena" or "F you, Cena?"
The article originally said that the fans were chanting "fuck you, Cena." This has since been edited to "F you, Cena." I didn't see WrestleMania so I don't know if the fans used the actual word or not. If so, then "fuck" definitely belongs in the article. Jeff Silvers 03:18, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I watched WrestleMania, and I was able to tell they were saying "Fuck You, Cena". However, it can be hard to pick out because the fans wouldn't stop chanting between that and "Let's Go, Cena". OutRider2003 03:21, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I was in Chicago at the show and it was definitely "Fuck you Cena," no doubt about it. They started chanting it a half hour before the show even began. BronzeWarrior 03:14, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

The Rock?
I saw that somebody put up something abou the Rock announcing his return, but it was later taken down. Was that BS? (I didn't see WM this year69.9.30.129 04:38, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Wild speculation. WWE never announced it and neither did Rock. BronzeWarrior 03:15, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

HHH vs Cena
Was making this match last insted of orton vs angle vs ray because the wwe was kissing HHH ass or trying to make john cena look like main event wrestler?

This is discussed up there ^^^^ somewhere... It's because WWE are pushing Cena as their #1 face... Ignore what the IWC say... Matt 4/4/06

Yes, because we're usually right, Cena has not been treated as a main eventer since WWE Backlash. -Dr. R.K.Z

Rey Mysterio's Title Win
I just want to clarify something. Mysterio is the first Mexican-American to win the World Heavyweight Championship in the WWE, not the second. OutRider2003 22:07, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

 * What about Eddie Guerrero? It says on his at wikipedia "Eddie Guerrero, was an American professional wrestler of Hispanic descent. Born into a legendary Mexican wrestling family..." Just wondering if that made him a Mexican-American due to him being born into a "Mexican wrestling family..." PedroV1 01:46, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

 * That was the WWE Championship, not the World Heavyweight Championship. 88.107.136.117 02:34, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Yeah, Eddie Guerrero won the WWE title, never the World Heavyweight title. OutRider2003 00:10, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

 * OK, can I just clear something up? Rey is in the cruiserweight division (he is a cruiserweight in sense). So how can that make him legible for the World Heavyweight Title? --OrtonFan2006 11:27, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Rey has pinned heavyweights before in his career, going back to WCW by defeating Kevin Nash, he qualifies in that aspect. Reallisticlly...WWE deliberatly neglect their own continuity from time to time, and expect the audience to like it. -User:Dr. R.K.Z

there are several ways to think about it differently:imagine j.j. redick playing a 1-on-1 against alan iverson.kinda like that.67.185.150.130

User:Ortonfan2006, there is a very simple reason why Rey can compete for the WHT, even though he is a cruiserweight. The titles have an upper weight-limit, but no lower weight-limit. So Rey (at approx 200lbs) could step up and wrestle for the World title, but HHH (at approx 270lbs) couldn't step down and wrestle for the CW title. The CW title has an upper weight-limit, but the other titles have no lower weight-limit.--HDC7777 17:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Wrestlemania 22 DVD release in Canada.
Does anybody know if May 22 is the release day of the DVD in Canada? In Amazon Canada it states the release, in Canada, as June 6. Anybody know? TripleH1976 11:18 a.m., 15 May 2006 (UTC)

sorry i dont knoooooow.....checj wwe shop and other things like that.

Wrestlemania PPV Buy Rate
The "900,000" figure displayed in this article is incorrect and very misleading. There are two main reasons for this:

 * 1. The freqently quoted figure by WWE is "over 925,000" buys, not "900,000".
 * 2. This figure of "over 925,000 buys" however is very misleading as this figure is in fact the total COMBINED world wide PPV sales figure! So it is USA PPV buys + INTERNATIONAL PPV buys !!

You can check both of these points for yourself, here is WWE's press release on their corporate website which clearly says : "preliminary estimates to date of world-wide pay-per-view buys for WrestleMania 22 are more than 925,000" at the top of the first paragraph : http://corporate.wwe.com/news/2006/2006_05_17.jsp

Also as an extra reference here is WWE's Fourth Quarter 2006 conference call presentation where the "925,000" figure is again clearly displayed on page 8 (PDF document) : http://corporate.wwe.com/documents/4QF2006PresentationFINAL.pdf

By only talking about the combined world wide PPV buy rate for wrestlemania, it is very clear that WWE are deliberately trying to mislead everyone the best they can and cover up their in fact very disappointing domestic PPV sales for their so called "biggest event of the year". However as WWE is a public company, they must disclose their full PPV figure breakdowns, and so here it is:

 * WM 22 Domistic (USA) Buys : 560,000
 * WM 22 International Buys : 370,000
 * WM 22 Total PPV Buy Rate : 930,000

The main country from which the international buys came from is the UK where WWE on PPV is a relatively new and rare thing. WWE PPV figures have historically always been given as US ppv figures, but wwe saw that their ppv buys were going down domestically, so thats why they started PPV in the UK and thats why they feel the need to COMBINE these figures! Don't be misled!

These figures have been reported by Dave Meltzer of The Wrestling Observer, The LAW (liveaudiowrestling.com) and MMA Weekly - ALL highly reliable sources for Wrestling/MMA news. Here for reference is the MMA weekly article where the domestic figure is quoted (6th paragraph from bottom): http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=2359&zoneid=3

The bottom line is, the US PPV buy rate and International PPV buy rate should be posted separately in order not to mislead people like WWE are trying to do. 81.154.251.229 20:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

And IT IS "NOTABLE" because WWE PPV figures have ALWAYS been given as US buy rates. This meant that all WWE PPV's success in terms of buys in the US market could be compared with each other and also with other events in the US PPV market such as boxing and UFC/MMA. However, WWE realised that their PPV buys in the US were diving, so they have started playing with the numbers by adding them all together and trying to mislead everyone by presenting bigger numbers. THIS IS VERY NOTABLE !! The PPV figures for the US and International must be separated and made clear ! 81.154.251.229 00:36, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Someone needs to give me a GOOD reason why the buyrate should even be included, otherwise it's going to be removed later. TJ Spyke 00:20, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

 * The buyrate is a direct measure of the success of the pay-per-view and the revenue it earned. It is more important than the results, which could be dismissed as fancruft. McPhail 00:24, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * People looking at an article on WrestleMania 22 would care more about the results than how many people bought the PPV. The buyrate is fancruft. TJ Spyke 00:30, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

 * WWE is a profit-seeking corporation that holds pay-per-view events in pursuit of profit. The WrestleMania buyrate accounts for a percentage of that profit. The buyrate is the reason for the event being held. You don't know why people are reading the page - I imagine WWE stockholders care more about the money earned by the event than who won the Playboy pillow fight. McPhail 00:39, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

 * If the results are dismissed as fancruft in your opinion, then there would be no point in having articles on Wrestling events. -- bullet proof  3:16 00:35, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

 * And do you imagine WWE stockholders would go on Wikipedia to see how much money they earned too? Wikipedia is not a primary source. The information is redundant on Wikipedia. -- bullet proof  3:16 00:45, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

 * By the same logic, wrestling fans would get their results from WWE.com, rendering results redundant. McPhail 00:48, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

 * In that case, all wrestling event articles on Wikipedia would be removed. Buyrates are not notable. -- bullet proof  3:16 00:51, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Incorrect. As previously stated, buyrates reflect the revenue earned from the event, and, thus, the success of the event. McPhail 00:58, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

TJ Spyke -
 * 1 Who do you think you are, saying "someone needs to give YOU a good reason" to keep the buyrate !?! This is a very offensive tone. It makes you seem like you think you are some sort of god here when you clearly are not and in fact we are all equals. Remember that during discussions.

 * 2 Its also extremely arrogant of you to claim you know "why" everybody looks at this page on wikipedia. You, or any 1 person couldn't possibly know the many reasons why people might look at this page. This type of attitude is sensless and is not needed here in these discussions or on wikipedia.

Now as for the ppv figure, it is VERY relevant to the ppv (hence thats WHY its a damn PPV!!!). If the aim of a ppv was not to get a ppv figure, then why do they even bother having ppv's !?!?! Also, internet wrestling fans are very much interested in PPV figures for each show as it shows its success - thats why the figures are reported on wrestling news sites for every single ppv every month - because people care and read it!!!! So nobody should ever dare to "tell" people what information they want or don't want to read as that would equal blatant censorship and this isn't communist china so you have no damn right to censor correct information!!

In general, no information that is correct and relevant should ever be discarded simply because some arrogant people think that no one cares about that info. Quite simply, The more correct info, the better! 81.154.251.152 21:33, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Verifiability
 * The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. "Verifiable" in this context means that any reader must be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, because Wikipedia does not publish original thought or original research.

 * Verifiability is one of Wikipedia's three content-guiding policies. The other two are No original research and Neutral point of view.  Jointly, these policies determine the type and quality of material that is acceptable in the main namespace.  They should not be interpreted in isolation from one another, and editors should therefore try to familiarize themselves with all three. The principles upon which these three policies are based are negotiable only at the foundation level, not at the level of the English-language Wikipedia.

 * Articles should rely on credible, third-party sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. For academic subjects, the sources should preferably be peer-reviewed. Sources should also be appropriate to the claims made: outlandish claims require stronger sources (Such as WWE.com).

 * One of the keys to writing good encyclopedia articles is to understand that they must refer only to facts, assertions, theories, ideas, claims, opinions, and arguments that have already been published by reputable publishers. The goal of Wikipedia is to become a complete and reliable encyclopedia. Editors should cite reliable sources so that their edits may be verified by readers and other editors.

 * "Verifiability" in this context does not mean that editors are expected to verify whether, for example, the contents of a New York Times article are true. In fact, editors are strongly discouraged from conducting this kind of research, because original research may not be published in Wikipedia. Articles should contain only material that has been published by reliable sources, regardless of whether individual editors view that material as true or false. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is thus verifiability, not truth. -- bullet proof  3:16 23:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Here's a Deal (again)
Here's a deal again. do not change the pre-show match ever! m'kay.

Who the heck?
Someone made a really wieeeeeeeeered match. it was two random men, fighting for something called the WWE DADS TITLE. And they tried to make it some 25 mins long. If people continue to do thing s like that the page will be locked from changes being made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.31.120.177 (talk • contribs)

Tagline
Who put the tagline for wm 22 as "wrestlemania goes hollywood"? If the event took place at rosemont, illinois, how can it be in hollywood? I changed it to "big time" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Reeezy (talk • contribs) 15:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC).

baby hates me
was not the official song for mania it was for backlash.TheManWhoLaughs 00:51, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Not according to WWE.com-- bullet proof  3:16 01:46, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Well then WWE is wrong.TheManWhoLaughs 02:23, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well until you provide a reliable source that states what the themes were, "Baby Hates Me" is staying in the article per Verifiability.-- bullet proof  3:16 02:35, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

No Singles Matches
Although some titles were defended in singles matches, was this WrestleMania the only one not to have a plain one-on-one non-title match? If so, would it be placed in the trivia section?--Lord Dagon 13:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope. In fact, WrestleMania 2000 had no one-on-onn singles matches at all (unless you count the "Cat fight", which wasn't really a match since the only goal was to thrown the other women out of the ring). TJ Spyke 22:32, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:MysterioRey22.jpg
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Retconned history
I'll ask if this is noteworthy: the video package (and official history presented by Joey Styles during the event) made the claim that Edge's brief WWE Title reign was ended by John Cena at the Royal Rumble with Mick Foley as referee. In fact, these were two separate matches: Cena defeated Edge on 29 January at the Royal Rumble, and during Edge's contractually obligated rematch on 13 February, Foley as referee counted the three to lead to Cena retaining. Should this be posted here, elsewhere, or anywhere?
 * It wasn't retconned history. It was just a normal mistake. This is similar to how WWE.com sometimes said that Saliva performed "Always" at WrestleMania X8 when they really performed "Superstar". It’s just that sometimes we all forget things that may have happened in the past. Just a normal mistake.-- bullet proof  3:16 01:24, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Permised

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Bratsche talk 5 pillars 02:16, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

Permised
Admitted neologism. Pity it's not a speedy. Fernando Rizo T/C 03:28, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delese. Gazpacho 03:46, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Looks like some guy just did a gaff on a website and decided to make an article on his misspelling. Delete. --Apostrophe 03:47, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Self-admitted neologism and non-notability. Dmeranda 03:50, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, the equivalent of bathroom-wall-scribbles. --Agamemnon2 09:36, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, as per Dmeranda. Alf 09:50, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, delete, delete - Er, why is this not a speedy? --Tysto 15:19, 2005 August 23 (UTC)
 * Because, Tysto, it meets none of the requirements for Criteria for speedy deletion. Yes, I know that sucks. Fernando Rizo T/C 17:37, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Category:Prison films

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Talk:Tri-Cities

Rearranged
I rearranged the Tri-Cities in America, with the most populous at the top and descending. I also took into account the appropriateness of the name (for instance, someone looking for the Quad Cities probably wasn't trying Tri-Cities) and the depth of the corresponding article. If anyone has any objections, holler, but I doubt anyone will... --Matt Yeager 03:29, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * I object, but I am not about to get into an edit war over this (on a scale of 1 to ten, my objection is a 1.5-- very mild). I just don't see that any particular "Tri-cities" area as being the most "well known." If I am Joe Random and I am searching for a Tri-Cities article on Wikipedia, it is probably because I live near that one and have a POV that it is a significant geographic region. All the Joe Randoms from Colorado can POV-push that Tri-cities area as a huge important place. It seems like unless you have an objective measure like population of each tri-cities region, you are just preferring the Tri-cities area you live near. Alphabet is unquestionably NPOV. So, in conclusion, I don't care at this point and will allow the status quo to be the consensus, but if anyone comes on here with an axe to grind about the order, I think we should change it back to alphabetical order or go with ranking the Tri-cities areas by sum of three populations. MPS 14:35, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Alright, here's my reasoning for the current order: Virginia's and Nebraska's don't have articles; they should be last. Colorado's, Illinois/Iowa's, and New York's aren't referred to as "the Tri-Cities"; they should be next to last. (That's what I meant when I posted the edit summary saying "(almost) Nobody's looking for the Colorado one"--Colorado's isn't even called the "Tri-Cities"!) Michigan's is a one-line stub, which makes me doubt that that name is particularily commonly used (with a claimed population of 400,000, you'd think someone would care enough about it to write something--then again, the three seperate cities added up only have a population of about 140k), so it goes next from the bottom. North Carolina's two both have common names other than "Tri-Cities"; they go next.

 * WA and TN/VA should be the top two in some order by process of elimination. TN/VA has a rather short article, and has a slightly lesser population than WA's. (I know the TN/VA page claims that the area has a population of about 500k, but I looked at the city pages and they add up to about 120k. No reason is given for the discrepancy.)

 * Really, either one of those could be placed on top, but I think the better article (if I do say so myself =P) ought to be placed higher up. Matt Yeager 05:35, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Matt, I am thinking about writing an article on the Tri-cities of Greater Richmond) area. It will include a large regional mall complex, Fort Lee, Virginia, and a great deal of Civil War history. I hope that doesn't mess your order up. : ) : ) : ) What I am saying is we have to consider more than just the current status of wikipedia; we have develop a rule that will stand for the long term. I am ok with however you want to order/reorder them, but I suggest that the length of the article is not necessarily a good metric for how significant or notable a region is. MPS 21:41, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Hmm, I see your point (and am kind of amused at the same time). I kind of agree with you, but I will be keeping a pretty good eye on this page. I think we can agree that the ones that aren't referred to as the "Tri-Cities" should be at or near the bottom, and then from then on, it should be based on population--but most of them either don't give a population figure (the red links) or give a figure that appears to be pulled out of nowhere (like Michigan's 400,000--which includes 260,000 phantom residents of the Tri-Cities area that don't live in one of the three cities). So I did the best re-orginization that I could that made sense. (If I'm being totally honest--after I put a lot of effort into the Tri-Cities, Washington article, I was upset that some stubs and red links were listed above it. As it's the only half-decent article there, I put it at the top.) But you can put VA's wherever you feel they should be after you write the article. Matt Yeager 23:13, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Matt, Thanks. I am also thinking of putting VA first in the List of US states because VA is my favorite state and I think VA's article is pretty solid. just kidding : ) : ) but see how that logic doesn't withstand the NPOV test? Anyhoo, I'm ok with VA's tri-cities being at the bottom ... the least shall be first, you know. Also, in Michigan some cities have "townships" around the cities that contain the suburbs of that town. So while the population of the three cities can be small, if you draw a big circle around them, you'll include the township populations as well. MPS 22:30, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

lol, I see. But really, if you want to have a vote (for consensus), there will probably be 0 votes for each option, except for 1 vote for "article depth" and one for "alphabetical order". ;) Seriously, I thought I explained that it was pretty logical--from the bottom up, we have reds (makes it impossible to know the population), then municipalities not named "tri-cities"... surely you can agree that THAT is NPOV. After that, they're basically listed by population of the three cities combined. If you have a better idea, be bold... it really doesn't matter much to me. (And thanks for the information on townships--that makes it a LOT more clear! =) ) Matt Yeager 05:22, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Tri-cities
It is used as a proper noun in some areas, but as a subject it is not a proper noun and is properly spelled with a lowercase c for Wikipedia. All Tri-Citys are tri-cities, but not all tri-cities are Tri-Citys. --Walor 06:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree. Matt Yeager ♫ ( Talk? ) 20:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Tri-Cities, Tennessee(/Virginia): Quad Cities???
"* The Tri-Cities, Tennessee, Tennessee and Virginia, consisting of the twin cities of Bristol, Tennessee [1]/Bristol, Virginia[2], Kingsport[3], Tennessee, and Johnson City[4], Tennessee" The non-sensical "Tri-Cities" moniker for Northeast Tennessee has long been a subject of heated debate within the "letters to the editor" published within Northeast Tennessee newspapers for many reasons:
 * Tri-Cities, Tennessee (former use) would be accurate if only excluding the separate and independent city of Britsol, Virginia;
 * confusion of Tri-Cities, Tennessee with the many other Tri-Cities or Tri-City areas across the United States;
 * not a reliable or precise geographic reference, for reasons above, that is easily identified bv those not already familiar with the area (contrast with Northeast Tennessee), and;
 * "Tri-Cities" moniker is not all-community inclusive as in the term "Northeast Tennessee".

I think that this debate of "Tri-Cities" versus "Northeast Tennessee" was pretty much decided several years ago when the postmaster of the U.S. Postal Service regional office in Johnson City, Tennessee selected "Northeast Tennessee" for the postage cancellation marks within the regional post office and also when the regional tourism office incorporated Northeast Tennessee into its name --- Northeast Tennessee Tourism Association http://www.netta.com/. And when more of the slack-jawed, old-timers around here start dying off, you will verly likely see the monkier "Tri-Cities (Tennessee)" being kicked (along with the pharase "Upper East Tennessee", as if there is a "Lower East Tennessee") with them into the obscurity of their graves.

At this point, I do not yet know how to suggest a page for renaming the "Tri-Cities, Tennessee" page as "Northeast Tennessee" and/or re-directing "Tri-Cities, Tennessee" to "Northeast Tennessee".

 * Whew. I think you probably are right... I would advise you to be bold and fix it. Matt Yeager ♫ ( Talk? ) 22:22, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Alphabetical order?
The current arrangement of sections (Australia, United States, Canada, Mexico, Asia, South America, Europe) seems to go in neither alphabetical nor any discernable geographical order. Would anyone object to an alphabetization (Asia, Australia, Canada, Europe, Mexico, South America, United States) or more comprehensive organization by continents: either as Asia; Australia; Europe; North America; South America, or with Americas together, or with Oceania in place of Australia? --96.49.80.208 (talk) 03:52, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

About this article
I have done a lot of cleanup on this page, and to keep it that way, I ask editors to do the following:

1 - Do not add new entries that you can't source 2 - If the Tri-City article is a redlink, also link the three cities, but nothing else. This contradicts normal policy to only have one additional link, but here is necessary

Ego White Tray (talk) 07:04, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

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Ruth Glacier

Ruth Glacier is a glacier in Denali National Park and Preserve in the U.S. state of Alaska. Its upper reaches are approximately 3 vertical miles below the summit of Denali. The glacier's "Great Gorge" is one mile wide, and drops almost 2,000 feet over 10 miles, with crevasses along the surface. Above the surface on both sides are 4,900-foot granite cliffs. From the top of the cliffs to the bottom of the glacier is a height exceeding that of the Grand Canyon. Ruth Glacier moves at a rate of three feet per day and was measured to be 4,000 feet thick in 1983.

Surrounding the Ruth Gorge are many mountains of the Alaska Range, including the Mooses Tooth, Mount Dickey, Mount Bradley, Mount Wake, Mount Johnson, and London Tower with highly technical ice and rock climbs on their faces.

According to the National Park Service (NPS), several air taxi operators are authorized to land aircraft on Ruth Glacier in Denali National Park.

History
In 1903, the glacier was explored by physician and ethnographer Frederick Cook, who named it after his youngest daughter.

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User:Mazatapec

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Mazatapec's home is Birmingham, located in the great state of Alabama.

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Talk:Cheng Nan-jung

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When did he die and how? Andycjp 23rd August 2005

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