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Kyrgyzstan photos are here!
Hi! I hope your move is going well and you'll be settled in soon. I've returned home myself, and I've uploaded my Kyrgyzstan photos to flickr. I'm not sure which ones to use, and I do need more information about some of them. If you have info, or want to suggest which ones to use, please leave comments on the photos -- I think that will be easier than leaving comments on my talkpage because it'll be difficult to identify photos based on talkpage comments alone. Aelfthrytha (talk) 14:52, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey -- I'm working at a law firm for the summer and my brain is pretty much broken. If you want to grab and upload the pictures, you have my permission, but I can't get to it before I stop work at the end of this month.  Aelfthrytha (talk) 00:28, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Jim N E Cricket, its another Oregon Collaboration of the Week
Greetings WikiProject Oregon folks, it is time for another edition of the Collaboration of the Week! A big thanks to those who helped out in improving Tom McCall and the Willamette Meteorite last week. This week we have a request for Mr. Greg Oden who has been back in the news as of late, so hopefully we can get him up to B class before training camp starts. Then we have a Hospital red link drive with plenty of opportunity for DYKs! As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Bu bye. Aboutmovies (talk) 15:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Stephen Payne (lobbyist)
Hi, someone seems interested in adding lots of new text to Stephen Payne (lobbyist). However, they seem to be inserting text inside the references in a strange way. Can you just check and make sure it's all formatted properly? Thanks, Badagnani (talk) 22:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Ssssh, Be Very Very Quiet, its Oregon COTW time
Howdy folks, its time for this week’s edition of Oregon’s Collaboration of the Week. First off, great job the last two weeks with Greg Oden & the Hospital red link drive. We had close to ten new hospital articles and two DYKs plus other improvements to the list itself. So thank you to those who helped out. This week, we have on a sad note Kevin Duckworth, and the Statesman Journal. Duckworth should have plenty of sources so hopefully in tribute we can get his article up to standards. With the SJ, hopefully we can get it above a stub so all three of the top three papers are no longer stubs, and maybe even a DYK and GA like we got from the Register-Guard? Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Hasta la bye bye. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:15, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

WP:ORE COTW Version 2.2
Hello WikiProject Oregon contributors. It's time for another COTW. Thank you to those who helped improve Kevin Duckworth and the Statesman Journal last week, we received another DYK for the SJ. This week, by request we have Mr. Ken Kesey and not by request Nike, Inc.. Nike is the only Start class article in the top 30 of those articles selected for the hard copy edition, and it could easily be improved to B class. Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:53, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Red red links make me feel so fine...
Greetings WikiProject Oregon editors. It's time for another edition of the COTW. Thank you to those who helped improve Ken Kesey and the Nike, Inc. last week. This week, by request we have the Northwest Forest Plan and then a Red Link Elimination Drive. For the red links, pick any one you want from any article, the list provided is just to help make it easier. And if you get a good article started, don’t forget to nominate it for a DYK. Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Very Special COTW, act now!
Greetings WikiProject Oregon peoples. It is once again time for another edition of the COTW. Thank you to those who helped eliminate some red links the last few weeks (the NWFP received little attention). This week, we have the stub High Desert Museum and then in honor of losing airline service again, McNary Field. Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

National Library of the Kyrgyz Republic
Has a photo finally! Aelfthrytha (talk) 05:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

XXX<-COTW->XXX
Howdy WikiProject Oregon humans. Time for another edition of the C to the O to the T to the W. Thanks to those who help out on McNary Field and Bend’s High Desert Museum. For this week, we shall tackle Bridges on US 101 and then with the last few days of decent weather, The Semi-Annual Picture Drive. Plenty of red links on the bridge list, or improve a stub! Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:57, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

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Elect the Best Financed, Least Offensive Person For the Job (aka Oregon COTW)
Hello fellow WikiProject Oregon folks, it’s time for another COTW. But first, just remember that those other guys only want to raise your taxes, but I won’t. A big thank you to those who helped make improvements to Bridges on US 101 and participating in The Semi-Annual Picture Drive. And unlike the other guys, I won’t ship your jobs overseas! This week, we have Mr. Bipartisan Wayne Morse who went from being a Republican to an Independent and finally to a Democrat. Then, let’s see if we can finish up creating articles for members of the Oregon House before their January inauguration. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. I’m Aboutmovies, and I approve this message. Paid for the committee to elect Aboutmovies. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:45, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Harvest Time @ COTW
Greetings WikiProject Oregon folks, it’s time for another edition of the fabled COTW. Thank you to all who helped make improvements to Wayne Morse and creating some members of the Oregon House. This week, we have by request Upper Klamath Lake which think made the news lately with a salmon plan. Then, in honor of the end of the harvest time, we will go farming with Fort Stevens. There is a beautiful link farm in the article that is ripe for harvesting into citations. It should provide for a bountiful feast, or alternatively you can take your hoe to it and weed some out. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. WARNING: COTW is not approved for children under 3 and may contain choking hazards for small children. DO NOT leave your child unattended with COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:42, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for edits to Bukharan PSR
Thanks for this edit of Bukharan People's Soviet Republic. Don't know how I and everyone else missed all that for 2 years. —  AjaxSmack   09:44, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Шанхайская организация сотрудничества
Мне показалось, что ШОС не центро-азиатская организация, а евразийская. К тому же там очень много этих окошек. А участники и так уже перечислены во многих местах. Вы вообще меня преследуете :-)? Emilfaro (talk) 08:34, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Вот взять, например, European Union: там внизу не перечислены страны участники евросоюза. И нет никаких центро-европейских союзов... Or should I speak English? Emilfaro (talk) 08:43, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

This is prodigal55 -- you left a message on my talk page this past December 4.

It is correct that my account under user name prodigal55 has only been used to edit the KIMEP article. If I were to make edits under this name to other Wikipedia articles where I have the knowledge and interest to do so, it would be easy from the "contributions" page for members of the "trash KIMEP" brigade, such as bushmills2000 who has recently reinstated inflammatory content into that article, to guess my identity. Hence I have used other user names when editing other articles.

The "controversies" section of the KIMEP article is so blatantly in conflict with Wikipedia's insistence on "neutral point of view" that neither I nor anyone else should have to edit it -- it should not be there in the first place -- hence my earlier deletion.

I have no problem with no lolnger making edits to the KIMEP article. But "neutral point of view" needs to be enforced consistently, to edits made by disgruntled ex-faculty as well as serving administrators.Prodigal55 (talk) 19:12, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Assyrian Christian Stele
Thank you for what you tried to do here. The guy is not having it. Can we get an admin? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 21:19, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The only thing I can think of is get 3O or find another admin, I will look into it. You're right about the apathy or lack of reading. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 04:45, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

 * It has been proposed that Nestorian Stele be renamed and moved to Memorial of the Propagation in China of the Luminous Religion from Daqin. Please give your views on the talk page for this article. Aymatth2 (talk) 03:19, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

 * This move discussion has been interesting, sometimes amusing. See last paragraph in User talk:Aymatth2. I actually thought it would be an uncontroversial proposal to use a more neutral primary name, leaving the common name as a redirect. Obviously not. There will clearly be no consensus that the move should be done. After reading the arguments I reluctantly have to agree that it should not move. If you have no objection I would like to close the discussion. Do you know the right process? Aymatth2 (talk) 13:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

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It is sort of interesting subject - not a new one. I have read a few books that mentioned it. In the early days there were many intense controversies over the nature of Christ and his relationship with God, subtle distinctions of wording that caused excommunications, counter-excommunications, anathemas and even wars. It is hard to throw one's mind into the way people thought in those days, but the distinctions to them were much more important than any worldly concerns since they were about eternal life after death. As I recall, Nestorius went too far for most orthodox thinkers in making a fairly sharp distinction between the human and divine natures of Christ. The Syriac Christians were more sympathetic to Nestorius's views than the Greeks (there may have been some subtleties lost in translation between Aramaic and Greek) but under the leadership of Babai the Great they mostly moved to the more mainstream view that both natures existed but were inextricably intermingled. Although they considered Nestorius was a wise man and a Saint, they did not consider themselves "Nestorians". However, the Greeks and Romans continued to call them Nestorians, implying that they were heretics, which the Syriac Christians violently denied. An ancient controversy. The Nestorian tag was accepted as received truth by Western scholars, based on its universal usage in the huge Roman Catholic literature and the inaccessibility of Syriac sources.

When the Jesuits reached China, at a time when the Roman Catholic church was fighting hard against protestant "heretics" in the west and Orthodox, Coptic etc. "heretics" in the east, they were surprised to find evidence of earlier Christians in the area, and naturally labeled them "Nestorians" - not true Christians. That label has stuck. It is an inaccurate label, slightly insulting to the Syriac Christians. A bit like Papist or Mohammedan - a distortion of their beliefs. The more serious non-Catholic scholars in the last century or so have usually referred to the famous tablet as the "so called Nestorian stele", or something like that, but the common usage for Westerners who do not care about these ancient theological debates is simply "Nestorian Stele".

If Wikipedia had existed 30 years ago, it would probably have had an entry for Red Indian, but now that term redirects to Indigenous peoples of the Americas. We have accepted the new term as more correct, and the term "Red Indian" has dropped out of use. Perhaps some day we will start to see "Nestorian" as an incorrect term to use for the early Christians who prosyletized in China. The term is not used for the Syriac-origin churches that have long been established in Southern India, now called the Jacobite Syrian Christian Church. I would not be comfortable with Assyrian Church of the East as a politically correct alternative to "Nestorian" when talking about the early Chinese and Mongolian Christians, because the early Syriac churches split and merged and split again into various successor churches, of which today's Assyrian Church of the East is just one. I would prefer the simpler "Syriac Christian". But this is academic. Until "Nestorian" is perceived as politically incorrect in describing these early Christians, which may take a very long time indeed, I have to accept that it is the preferred name based on the relevant Wikipedia policies.

What amazes me is the amount of passion that this academic quibble about the name of an ancient stone has generated. :~) Aymatth2 (talk) 17:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

blindly reverting
Hey Otebig, any chance you can participate in the discussions at Talk:Kyrgyzstan and Wikipedia talk:Lead section rather than just blindly reverting? TungstenCarbide (talk) 21:27, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

An apology
Hi Otebig, I apologize for not leaving you a note here to let you know exactly my rationale on closing the Afd early. Probably would've saved you an aneurysm. :) From your second post to my talk page, I think you understand my reasoning now, but if you have any further concerns, please let me know so I can help out. Cheers,--Aervanath (talk) 19:08, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

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Kazakh Image
Hi, I have taken this picture in 1987. Our guide told us that these people were Kazakhs but I have not personally talked with them. So I cannot affirmed that they were actually Kazakhs. Bgag (talk) 22:14, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Kazakhs photos
Hello, may you change this photos: "A. Kasteev", "Market vendor", "Kazakhs Nomades in China"?? I think that photos not actual and not pretty for World WikipediA. --Kazakhstani_Admin (talk) 14:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

RE: Wikiquette alert
Thanks for taking the action and thanks for informing me. His behavior is very alarming -- including his user page. In (almost) the same vein, you may find it interesting to peruse the latest postings by anon on Talk:Döner kebab and this posting (by the same person) on my talk page. The language and the tone are simply unbelievable. Best, --Zlerman (talk) 15:52, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

RE: Kazakhstan article
Thank you for your message on my talk page. The removal of the pp-vandalism template by is perfectly fine as the article's protection expired on the 15th. As the article's edit history shows, my semi-protection of the article was just for seven days. While the article has been edited several times since this protection ended, I only count three reverts (including my own just now) in the past three days, which is not sufficiently high enough to justify protection on a high profile article like this one. Please let me know if you have any other questions or issues. Thanks, Kralizec! (talk) 21:56, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Central Asia
Well then the term "Turkistan" also is part of history, but it was in the introduction. The term Turkistan by itself without mentioning the Iranian history and ancient civilizations of Chorasmia, Soghdiana and etc. makes it seem like the area was originally inhabitted by Altaic people and was always Turkistan. The older term actually "beyond the two rivers", and before that it was Chorasmia, Soghdiana and Parthia and etc... The definition I have of Central Asia varies actually but Mongolia and even Siberia at one time were inhabited by Scythians and other Iranian nomads before the expansions of Altaic people. Plus the statement from Bosworth is also a UNESCO publication. I do not see any harm mentioning this important historical info, since the term "Turkistan" is also mentioned, but that term comes in much later period after displacement, absorption of the original Iranian population. Also if modern groups are mentioned, then ancient Iranian peoples like Alans, Scythians, Chorasmians and Soghdians should be mentioned. Specially Soghdians who played a major role. So I see it simply a balancing the intro or else the reader will miss the important information on the original inhabitants and will think that the area was called Turkistan from ancient times.--Nepaheshgar (talk) 03:29, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

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Archiving my talk page
Thanks for calling my attention to this. A number of users keep pouring tons of (very important) information into my talk page, and the possibility of having to refer to this information at some point in time makes me put off archiving. But I agree that my talk page has become unmanageable and I will attend to this. Thank you again. And, needless to say, I appreciate very much what you are doing on Kazakhs and Kazakhstan. Best, --Zlerman (talk) 16:54, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

SPI cases
If you wish to re-open an SPI case, please go to WP:SPI and follow the instructions. Just adding comments to an archived case will NOT do the trick. Mayalld (talk) 20:12, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

おい！
I think I know you! Though is this sort of comment inappropriate for a user talk page? I'll admit, I've got no idea what I'm doing. --Chouji Ochiai (talk) 06:03, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Uzbekistan: IMF's role
Thanks for your note. The fact is that IMF guided and prodded them every step of the way, and in my assessment nothing would have happened without that. I will find a proper reference for IMF's active involvement and insert it in the proper place. This will be toward the end of the week, as I am presently busy with other things outside wiki. Regards, --Zlerman (talk) 00:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Urumqi riots
Please don't blank article content without reason, as you did here. The section is linked from the main page, you need to get some consensus before changing it (essentially moving article content to a new location). r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 02:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

 * I just saw that another user created a relatively detailed recounting of the events at User:Ohconfucious/2009 Xinjiang civil unrest. Personally I don't like it, but this could solve the problems—it provides enough additional information that it, along with your article, is worth having as a standalone article, and it gives specific details that are nice to know but I didn't want to include in the ETim page because it would bog down the summary style. If you have no objections, I could merge the history of that article into yours, effectively merging the two articles together under the July 2009 Ürümqi riots title. After that I would also withdraw the AfD. Is this an acceptable solution? r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 03:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Ok, I'll get to doing it right now. Please don't edit the article for a minute (or, if you are in the middle of editing, make sure you copy your work into Word or something so you don't accidentally lose it), because merging the histories will require me to delete the article for a few seconds and then restore it. As soon as that is done, I will change the link on the main page so it points directly to this article instead of to the ETim article. r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 03:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I've merged the histories, done some quick cleanup on the article, and changed the link on the main page. I think everything should be ready now. r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 03:30, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, I noticed that now there is some redundancy between the Causes section and the Accusations section; we should probably just go with one. r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 03:30, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * My mistake, I thought my edits were lost when the page was moved/deleted, I didn't see they had been moved further up. I'll remove it. Otebig (talk) 03:32, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

 * You're jumping the gun, and your page moves are making a real mess of thing. The article 2008 Uyghur unrest exists, and there is every reason there will be more (unrest, that is). I believe the current unrest is borderline notable, but certainly deserves more space than a few paragraphs in the East Turkestan independence movement article. Ohconfucius (talk) 03:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Your "2009 Xinjiang unrest" article is an entirely different issue. The article we're talking about is just about today's set of riots, not the whole year. You are right that there probably will be more instances of unrest in the months to come, but see WP:CRYSTAL. You can re-create the article as a true "year's worth of unrest" article when that stuff actually happens; for now, all such an article could do is repeat what's already in the July 2009 Ürümqi riots article. r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 03:32, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I've read the above more carefully now. I'm OK with that. Ohconfucius (talk) 03:34, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok. This is fine for now, but the article should be kept as no more than a redirect until such time as there's something to add to it other than what's already said in the Riots article. r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 03:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Oops, I just noticed that for the past few minutes the Main Page was still linking to the ETim article, even though I had updated the ITN template to link to the new article. This is just because of some technicalities about how Wikipedia's server updates transcluded links. I have purged the main page, and the link should be correct now. r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 03:50, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
I was just thinking today about how a few days ago I opposed the creation of this article and said "there's not much to say about it yet". Crazy to think of how much has been added since then. Looks like I was quite wrong! <b class="Unicode">r ʨ anaɢ</b> talk/contribs 18:08, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Actually, funny coincidence... I found out yesterday that you are at IU, because I am also studying Uyghur at the summer program there. (So you can probably guess who my classmate is!) Small world, huh? <b class="Unicode">r ʨ anaɢ</b> talk/contribs 04:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW, sorry it took me a while to respond to your comments about the image (I had my hands full for a while with User:ChinaHistorian. I've left a response at the article talk page; I think we're just going to have to seek some more outside opinions, since we've hit a bit of an impasse. <b class="Unicode">r ʨ anaɢ</b> talk/contribs 04:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Image
Thanks for uploading this image; unfortunately, I'm not sure it meets Wikipedia's image guidelines, and have started a discussion at Talk:July 2009 Ürümqi riots about possibly removing it. I would appreciate your input there. Thanks, <b class="Unicode">r ʨ anaɢ</b> talk/contribs 21:51, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Turpan vs. Turfan
Would you be interested in offering an opinion at Talk:Turpan? You're the only active editor I know of with extensive experience in this area, and the tendentious editor there doesn't really know how to communicate with people, so I feel a bit like I'm just talking to myself. (By the way, you can pretty much ignore the long back-and-forth in the middle; the real discussion about the content issue is at the top and bottom of the section.) <b class="Unicode">r ʨ anaɢ</b> talk/contribs 01:15, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

"Helpful" activity
Personally, I wonder whether your own comment even remotely qualified as "helpful", but I'm going to leave that alone. The reasons are as follows:
 * 1) If you had noticed, the banner had had the parameters removed at some point, and I don't remember anyone mentioning why. I guess no one decided it was important enough to let me know about? :) How is anyone supposed to know about the project, or have reason to join it, if they don't necessarily know it exists?
 * 2) Even if there are a relatively few people interested in any country, it would obviously be of importance to them to know what articles exist, and, relatively, their relative importance to the topic. And, yes, it does make it easier, in general, to know which articles are "higher importnce" to know where to focus the most work, however little that may be. Particularly with the new "Outlines", having a fairly clear idea as to what relevant articles are out there helps.
 * 3) It also clearly helps any portal, and there is a Kazakhstan portal, to know what the "good articles" are that can be included in the portal. They can also help bring the portal recognition, and that can help stimulate interest in the content.
 * 4) Personally, the plan was also not only to go about changing the template, but then to also go through and tag all the articles relevant to that category and make a record of which made FA/GA/FL/DYK/FFA/FGA, etc., which would itself be useful to the project. And, if nothing else, knowing which articles are relevant makes it easier to keep up with the article alerts on those topics. Of course, I forgot about how resistant to any change the editors regarding that area are. Generally, giving someone an idea of where to focus attention regarding a particular topic they're reading would be counted as a good thing, and would probably, for the minimum amount of work involved by anyone else in my tagging and assesing the articles, probably be a net good for the content. But, again, I forgot about how insular the editors dealing with that part of the world are, which was rather stupid of me, really. Feel free to revert; there are other areas which have less shall we say "contentious" editors to deal with than this one. John Carter (talk) 18:16, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Carter's Problem

 * I left compaint regarding Carter on his talk page that is relevant to your comments.

 * He seems tag-happy; NOT truly interested in seriously editing articles that he tags. Rather like a dog doing business on hydrants.

 * Carter also becomes a tad unpleasant, with evasive and long-winded responses, if one points out these problems.

 * He should carefully examine his editing actions and try a different approach.

 * Carter is apparently an administrator, which, given the above complaint, is unsurprising, but quite annoying.
 * I'd be happy to mount a complaint with you or anyone regarding his "status."

Calamitybrook (talk) 02:13, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Feel free. You by the way come across as an arrogant borderline incompetent headcase with a penchant for misrepresentation. I never said when I would get to your little article. It should also be noted that you have more than a few problems with your own editorial history, including being utterly incapable of abiding by simple requests. John Carter (talk) 02:35, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Carter much favors personal attacks and hyperbole, while removing embarrassing comments from his personal talk page.

 * Problematic behaviour for "administrator" who repeatedly adds dubious "tags" and then claims to plan ill-informed edits that cannot be reasonably carried out.
 * He would benefit greatly from self-review.

Calamitybrook (talk) 02:57, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Um...I'm not totally sure what's going on here between you two. My only concern was dividing the Central Asia WikiProject into country projects/workgroups when the vast majority of articles overlap and don't fit with any one country, and when participation in the current larger WikiProject seems to be slowing. If other projects find John Carter's project/workgroup creations useful, then great. I have nothing personal against him or his edits, I just want there to be a discussion and group consensus from other WP:Central Asia participants before we drastically change the structure of the project, and right now I don't believe such a consensus exists. Wikipedia needs content editors and nuts-and-bolts editors - Carter seems to be the latter, which is an important role to play. As long as he respects the concerns and consensus of the active members in different WikiProjects, I have no problem, and certainly don't see a need to file any kind of complaint. Otebig (talk) 03:02, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Acting unilaterally from an uninformed perspective may be unhelpful in various contexts.

 * Carter hasn't responded constructively to Otebig's complaint, but opts rather to call me a "borderline headcase" etc., exhibiting an ongoing trend toward weird incivility.

 * Obviously this compounds various fundamental shortcomings as an administrator.

Calamitybrook (talk)

Articles for deletion nomination of Uzbekistan 2020
I have nominated Uzbekistan 2020, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Uzbekistan 2020. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Orange Mike  |   Talk  02:29, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Let's discuss this at the AfD page, which is the appropriate venue. I still think the organization has no notability to speak of outside of Lola's antics. -- Orange Mike  |   Talk  02:35, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

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Hey Otebig, regarding this edit, I'm not sure if you noticed but I also added the KU book in the References or Further Reading section. I didn't remove it from EL right away because I guess there's no harm in a little redundancy, but I don't know if it's necessary either. Either way, it's probably not a big deal.

Hope you're having a good winter break. <b class="Unicode">r ʨ anaɢ</b> talk/contribs 23:16, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Central Asian hats
Essentially copying this question over from User talk:David Straub:

Do you happen to know if Doppa and Tubeteika are the same thing? They look like it to me, and I'm wondering if these articles should be merged. <b class="IPA">r ʨ anaɢ</b> talk/contribs 22:45, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Thanks for passing that question to Firespeaker--it's always heartwarming to find another Central Asiaphile where you're not expecting to!
 * By the way, the Urumqi riots article is up at FAC now (Featured article candidates/July 2009 Ürümqi riots/archive1), so if you have any outstanding comments, concerns, or criticisms your input there would be most welcome. Best, <b class="IPA">r ʨ anaɢ</b> talk/contribs 08:55, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

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Bokei Horde
Google Books tells us:
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 * Bokei Horde 3

So Bukey Horde wins as a common English name with 47:3 score. The article name needs be reverted back. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 13:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Checking for a valid English name is a routine procedure, you see. We need to prevent total renaming of the historical entities according the actual transliteration rules as most common English names are useful in Wiki. We need Bukey Horde as this article name, Bokei Horde (as this trnsliteration is present in English too) as a redirect to the main article. How to do that? May be move the article content to the page with a valid name (Bukey Horde), but redirect code string move from Bukey to Bokei with replacing redirect name in this string content. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi there. Bokei Horde in Kazakh is Бөкей Ордасы. It sounds like bouquet (however instead of u sound there is a slightly softer version of o). Personnaly, I think, judging by pronounciation it should be Bokei. Why it bothers me? See my name is Aizhol, but in soviet times they wrote it down to passport as Aizhul (which sounds ugly). Consequently each and every person who saw my passport from the childhood was laughing. So Bukey might be just russian pronounciation. Anyway I admire any transliteration as long as Bokei redirects to Bukey (or whatever it is). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aizhol (talk • contribs) 09:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Two articles to keep watch on
Hey Ma...I mean Otebig, how's it going? Are you enjoying the change in climate? There's a new user starting and editing some pages based on Russian racial theories concerning Central Asian. He/she is being a bit obstinate and continually reverts any edits I make to the page, including routine stuff such as linking and delinking words and fact tags. Anyways, being an admin and all, I was wondering if you keep a watch on a couple of pages: Pamir-Fergana race and Turanid.

My wife and I are heading off to China in July. We'll be there for a year or two. If you and the Mrs. ever stop by Asia, drop us a line. David Straub (talk) 03:25, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

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Integrating Атлас data and maps appropriately into relevant pages
I tried to implement some data (and a map!) from the Атлас into the Karelian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic page. Could you verify my changes (and fix anything that needs fixing)? I'd like to eventually do this for everything —Firespeaker (talk) 07:34, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I worry that the map doesn't really show location, so might not be appropriate for the infobox I put up. I also think that the Republic of Karelia infobox should point back to the Karelian ASSR page. —Firespeaker (talk) 07:39, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

And I guess Karelo-Finnish Soviet Socialist Republic needs to be fit in there somewhere. We're going to have similar problems (i.e., cleaning up and organising the current Soviet mess on wikipedia, which I guess is a good thing in the end) with a lot of these maps. —Firespeaker (talk) 07:48, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

And I supposed I used the wrong infobox (there's an Infobox SSR in use on the Karelo-Finnish SSR page I see now). Agh, I need some sleep. —Firespeaker (talk) 07:50, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm.... Compare the original way I did it to the Infobox SSR version. I think the shortcomings of the latter could be fixed by modifying the Infobox SSR template? —Firespeaker (talk) 22:08, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Otebig, do yu speek only inglish? Qottune shikerim. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.174.226.86 (talk) 10:11, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

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Michael Anthony Fleming

Michael Anthony Fleming, O.S.F. (c. 1792 – July 14, 1850) was an Irish-born Friar Minor who served as the Roman Catholic Church bishop of the Diocese of St. John's, Newfoundland. He was principally responsible for changing a small mission with several priests in four parishes into a large diocese with over 40,000 congregants and was the single most influential Irish immigrant to come to the Colony of Newfoundland in the 19th century. He was the principal creator of the Roman Catholic Cathedral of St. John the Baptist in St. John's.

Early life
Fleming was born about three miles from Carrick-on-Suir, Tipperary, Ireland. As a boy, Fleming studied the classics for two years at Stradbally, County Waterford, under a Protestant pastor. Encouraged by his uncle, Martin Fleming, O.S.F., he entered the novitiate of the friars in Wexford, and then entered the Franciscan seminary there. Fleming was ordained a Catholic priest on 15 October 1815, after which he was assigned to the friary at Carrickbeg, where his uncle was guardian. His experience in helping to rebuild the Franciscan chapel there marked him at an early age as a "builder", and stood him in good stead for his later work in Newfoundland.

Mission to Newfoundland
In 1823, at the invitation of Thomas Scallan, O.S.F., the Vicar Apostolic for Newfoundland, and the Benevolent Irish Society, Fleming was recruited to come and serve as a priest in the colony. From the outset, Fleming proved to be of a very different temperament from Scallan. His ideas about the place of the Irish and Catholicism in Newfoundland were informed by his experience of his close friend Daniel O'Connell's nationalist politics in Ireland.

Despite their very different perspectives on many matters, Fleming was promoted by Scallan as his successor, and he was appointed coadjutor bishop of the vicariate by Pope Gregory XVI on 10 July 1829, with the titular see of Carpasia.

Bishop
Soon after Fleming was consecrated as a bishop by Scallan in the Chapel in St. John's on 28 October 1829, he implemented his Ultramontanist ideology, taking over control of the existing Catholic institution the Orphan Asylum from its lay administrators, the members of the Benevolent Irish Society. Upon Scallan's death on 29 May 1830, he automatically succeeded him as Vicar Apostolic. He then embarked on a systematic expansion of institutional Catholicism in Newfoundland. This included the construction of new parish churches, the subdivision of existing parishes into new parishes, the recruitment of Irish priests, and the introduction of two religious orders of Irish women to teach young female children. He took pains to visit outport Newfoundland, and during the winter of 1835 lived in a fishing room at Petty Harbour, administering smallpox vaccine to the whole community of Catholics and Anglicans, and remaining in quarantine with them when no physician or other clergyman would go there.

Fleming's influence was not limited to the religious sphere. As Vicar Apostolic, and later as Bishop, he promoted the interest of the Irish Catholics in Newfoundland's political sphere. Through petitioning the governor and the Colonial Office, Fleming was instrumental in enforcing the Emancipation Act for Irish Catholics in Newfoundland in 1832. In addition, with the parallel granting of Representative Government for the colony, Fleming was outspoken in the political process, lending support to candidates, both Catholic and Protestant, who furthered the rights and privileges he felt were important for the Irish Catholic population in the colony. Whether in church administration, education or political activities, Fleming's bold actions and attitude marked a significant departure for the Catholic clergy in the Newfoundland colony.

Because of his deliberate political influence, Fleming, himself an "Irish nationalistic", was viewed by many English and Protestants as a disruptive force in Newfoundland politics, and by many of his supporting Irish congregants as a constructive force in Newfoundland politics. He saw himself as the leader of the Irish community and was not shy about taking on the local British establishment, much as his friend and countryman Daniel O'Connell was doing at home, especially since he felt threatened by the Church of England's attempts to counteract growing Catholic influence. The struggle spilled over into inflammatory newspaper editorials, and lawsuits between increasingly bitter rivals. Tensions were made worse by the actions of partisans on both sides of the divide. Fleming intervened to get particular men elected, raising in the Tory minds the specter of a "priests' party" dominating the Assembly. From this point, church influence remained a dominant factor in Newfoundland politics from the 1830s onward.

Newfoundland tricolour
In popular legend, Fleming is credited with creating the "Pink, white and green" tricolour flag of Newfoundland. It is told that during annual wood hauls for the Anglican cathedral and Roman Catholic cathedral, considerable rivalry developed between the two groups involved. The Protestant English marked their wood piles with the pink flag of the Natives' Society, while the Catholic Irish used green banners. The threat of violence was such that Bishop Fleming intervened, and persuaded them to adopt a common flag, on which the pink and green would be separated by a white stripe to symbolize peace. The pink symbolized the Tudor Rose of England (The Protestants) and the Green symbolized St. Patrick's Emblem of Ireland (The Catholics). The White is taken from St. Andrew's Cross (St. Andrew is the Patron Saint of Fishermen and Scotland). This legend, its symbolism and origins, have all been disproven by historical evidence. In reality, the Newfoundland "pink, white and green" tricolour did not appear until at least 41 years after the inception of the Irish tricolour and was almost certainly based on the Irish flag. There is no primary source documentary historical evidence contemporary to Fleming's time linking Fleming with the creation of the tricolour. Any such associations are purely fanciful, and can be seen to have largely originated in the writings of the entertainer and writer Paul O'Neill.

Expansion
Fleming's greatest domestic projects, the ones for which he became best remembered, were the recruiting of two orders of Irish religious women to work as teachers, and the construction of a new cathedral for St. John's. In 1833 at Fleming's request, the Presentation Sisters came to Newfoundland from Galway and opened a school for children. Within weeks the sisters were inundated with new pupils, the children of the Irish of St. John's, who saw education as the best means of economic and social advancement. In 1842, Fleming invited the Sisters of Mercy to come to teach girls and to help create a Catholic middle class. Through Fleming's influence, the Education Act of 1836 introduced the precedent of granting state funds to denominations for educational purposes. In 1847, Bishop Fleming recruited four brothers of the order of Irish Franciscasns to come to Newfoundland to teach at the Benevolent Irish Society's school. Through the 1830s, Fleming pursued a grant of land on which to build a cathedral. By 1838 the land was awarded, and construction began, continuing until 1855. The cathedral was the largest building project in 19th century Newfoundland, and thereafter became the definitive icon of Newfoundland Catholicism.

Fleming died in 1850 and was buried in his cathedral.

Honors
On 9 September 2005, the 150th anniversary of the consecration of Fleming's cathedral, a plaque was unveiled by the Historic Sites and Monuments Board of Canada designating Fleming as a person of Canadian National Historic Significance. At the time of its consecration, the Roman Catholic Cathedral of St. John's was the largest Irish Neoclassical cathedral in the New World.

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The Punch Line

The Punch Line is the debut studio album and third overall release by American punk rock band Minutemen, and the fourth-ever release from SST Records. After their previous release, Paranoid Time, sold out its 300-copy pressing, Greg Ginn invited the band to record again. Less than half the length of most LPs, the total playing time for all 18 songs is a mere 15 minutes. The album was an early milestone release for the band and SST. The Punch Line hit record store shelves three months after the release of Joy, although Joy was recorded after The Punch Line.

The Punch Line also appears on the My First Bells cassette and the Post-Mersh Vol. 1 CD. The opening track, "Search", represented Minutemen on the second Rodney on the ROQ compilation album on Posh Boy Records, while four other songs, including the title track, were featured on the compilation cassette The Future Looks Bright Ahead, jointly issued by Posh Boy and SST in 1981. "Boiling" and "Games" were featured on the seminal SST compilation The Blasting Concept.

Recording
Minutemen, seeking to be as economical as possible in recording their first album, recorded The Punch Line during a late-night session (when studio time was the cheapest), recorded on previously used tape, and recorded the songs exactly in the order in which they appeared on the record, essentially live. Overdubs were minimal if anything; Hurley's vocal on "Ruins" was actually cut during the basic track stages and picked up by the overhead drum mics.

Spot revealed during his interview for the Minutemen documentary We Jam Econo (preserved in the DVD's deleted scenes section) that the first pressing of the record was done with what he considered to be an inferior mastering job and set of stampers; he took possession of the stampers in order to prevent further pressings from being done, forcing a remaster that was used on all vinyl pressings since then. The remastered vocals sound significantly different from the original pressing in which the voices are deeper and slightly muffled.

Content
The Punch Line is also notable for being the only album to feature lead vocals from all three Minutemen. Bassist and primary songwriter Mike Watt sings lead vocals on several tracks, including the opening track "Search", "Ruins", and the last 3 of the album, "Gravity", "Warfare" and "Static", while drummer George Hurley does a lead vocal (referred to on the album's back cover as "giv(ing) a speech") in the middle of "Ruins".

The title track makes fun of General George A. Custer's death at the hands of Sitting Bull during the Battle of the Little Bighorn.

Another track on the album, the instrumental "Song For El Salvador", reflects D. Boon's support of the Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front in El Salvador. (He was a member of the NGO Committee in Solidarity with the People of El Salvador, or CISPES).

Even though the group's name was a reference to their personal and political ideology and not a reflection of the average length of their songs, only two songs on The Punch Line pass the one-minute mark. Most average between 45–60 seconds.

Reception
In a 1982 Trouser Press review, Robert Payes describes the album as containing "[c]hoppy guitar syncopations and abstract, thought-provoking lyrics [that] front songs that combine snatches of Wiry art/punk/jazz." Payes concludes that the record is "worthy of your time." Robert Christgau was more mixed, calling the band "politniks who love punk, with a name that mocks hardcore's rightwing rep and their own aesthetic--these eighteen "songs" average under fifty seconds apiece. The lyrics don't rhyme or even scan, less poems than the jottings of young men given to cultural bullshit. [...] not Fredric Jameson, but better-informed than the skinheads they play for." He notes that "where last year's seven-inch Paranoid Time could pass for speed-rock, the funky dissonance here has no parallel in the genre or anywhere else: not Ornette Coleman, but better-informed than the Circle Jerks they play with."

In its retrospective AllMusic entry, Mark Deming notes that the album "works better as a unified sonic assault than as a collection of tunes, but moments do stand out, especially "Tension," "Fanatics," and the title cut, which certainly lends a new perspective to Native American history." He concludes by calling the album "as wildly inventive as anything spawned by American punk, and the band would only get better on subsequent releases."

Personnel

 * Minutemen
 * D. Boon - guitar and vocals
 * Mike Watt - bass and vocals
 * George Hurley - drums, lead vocal in the middle of "Ruins"

 * Production
 * Spot - record producer, recording engineer

 * Artwork
 * D. Boon - front cover
 * George Hurley - back cover

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Hello! I'm TrashLock, some might know me from Newgrounds, or from my actual site, locklegion.com.

Small Biography
Let's see. I live in Switzerland, mostly in front of my computer! I enjoy programming, Flash, friends, booze and going to clubs. I run and own The LockLegion website. A crew that started as a joke, and is a copy of the ClockCrew. I'm blonde, 1m80 high, 17 years old and male. My favourite school subjects are Mathematics, Physics and English. I speak both French and English fluently. I know the following languages:

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Texas State Highway Loop 337

Loop 337 is a 8.3 mi partial loop route around the city of New Braunfels in the U.S. state of Texas. The loop was designated in 1960. Loop 337 begins and ends at I-35 and shares a concurrency with SH 46 from the interchange at SH 46 eastward to I-35.

History
Loop 337 was first designated on June 1, 1960 as a loop around New Braunfels from I-35 southwest of New Braunfels, around the north side of the city, and ending at and intersection of US 81 and FM 25 east of the Guadalupe River. On October 21, 1967, SH 46 was rerouted to run concurrently along the eastern half of the loop. On February 26, 1968, the clockwise end of the loop was extended to I-35 over part of FM 25.

Route description
Loop 337 begins on the southwestern side of New Braunfels at I-35, heading north through the city predominantly as a surface street with at-grade intersections. There are a few exceptions to this, the first being at Landa Street: Loop 337 passes over the street and the railroad track running parallel to it; access to Landa Street is provided by way of a single ramp. After this interchange Loop 337 turns towards the northeast and into the city, where it meets SH 46 at a diamond interchange. From here and to the east, Loop 337 and SH 46 run along the northern fringes of the city limits as a concurrent, co-signed route. As the loop turns towards the southeast, another interchange due to a railroad bridge occurs at Rock Street and Gruene Road. After crossing the Guadalupe River, Loop 337 turns towards the south at the Common Street intersection. The route comes to an end at I-35 on the northeastern side of the city, while SH 46 continues on to the south toward Seguin.

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Portal:Morocco/Featured article

The Battle of Tétouan was a battle fought near Tétouan, Morocco between the Spanish Army of Africa and the Moroccan Army in 1860. The battle was part of the Hispano-Moroccan War (1859–60).

The expeditionary Spanish force, which departed from Algeciras, was componed of 36,000 men, 65 pieces of artillery, and 41 ships, which included steamships, sailboats, and smaller vessels. Of Irish heritage, Leopoldo O'Donnell, 1st Duke of Tetuan, Prime Minister of Spain, personally took charge of the expedition and divided these forces into three corps. These were commanded by Generals Juan Zavala de la Puente, Antonio Ros de Olano and Ramón de Echagüe. Reserves were placed under the command of Juan Prim. The admiral Segundo Díaz Herrero commanded the fleet.

The objective of the Spanish forces was to take the Moroccan city of Tétouan.

Hostilities between Moroccan and Spanish troops erupted on 17 December by the column commanded by Zavala de la Puente, which occupied the Sierra de Bullones. On 19 December, Echagüe captured the Palacio del Serrallo. O'Donnell commanded a force that landed at Ceuta on 21 December. By Christmas Day, the three columns had consolidated their positions and awaited orders to advance towards Tétouan.

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Talk:Murshidabad

The Bengali-speaking "nawab"-s of Bengal were not Turkish but of Arab descent. It is likely taht they had some Bengali and Afghan admixture. Their current descendants appear very similar to the general Bengali population. - Subhadeep

Duncan McLeod
The page on Duncan McLeod needs disambiguation Pizzadeliveryboy 01:16, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Need an article on Murshidabad District
There seems to be no article on Murshidabad District, and the Westbengal links about Dist Murshidabad are all linked to this article on Murshidabad city!--Dr.saptarshi 07:30, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Murshidabad District article
I removed the following information since there is already an article (now vs. 2006 comment) on Murshidabad District:

The district of Murshidabad - 2,062 sq mi (5,341 km²), population 5.863m (2001 census) - has its district headquarters at Baharampur. The district comprises two distinct regions separated by the Bhagirathi River. To the west lies the Rarh region, a high, undulating continuation of the Chota Nagpur plateau. The eastern portion, the Bagri, is a fertile, low-lying alluvial tract, part of the Ganges Delta. The district is drained by the Bhagirathi and Jalangi rivers and their tributaries. Rice, jute, legumes, oilseeds, wheat, barley, and mangoes are the chief crops in the east; extensive mulberry cultivation is carried out in the west. The district became part of the Gaur kingdom in 1197 and passed to the British East India Company in the 18th century.

Current MLA from Murshidabad assembly constituency is Bivas Chakraborty of AIFB, who won the seat in State elections of 2006. Chhaya Ghosh of FBL had won this seat in 2001, 1991, 1982 and in 1977. Independent candidate Mozammel Haque was MLA from this seat in 1996. Mannan Hossain of INC had won this seat in 1987.

This area can also be called as "Cow Supply Chain HQ of Bangladesh". Small farmers, mostly Muslims, and ironically some Hindus as well; sell the holy cows to Bangladeshi butchers by smuggling them into Bangladesh. It is estimated that 2 million cows per year are sent to death camps this way. Border Security Force (BSF) of India happily ignores the smuggling as long as they are bribed. If they are not bribed, a severe torture of such smugglers occurs.

I kept the information here in the event some of this information is not in the district article and can be moved there.-- CaroleHenson  ( talk ) 19:00, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Dhuliyan City
This information looks as if it should also go in the Murshidabad District article -- or be the beginnings of an article about the city:

Dhuliyan is one of the oldest cities of Murshidabad. There is lot of Bidi (Tobacco) company in Dhuliyan city and Aurangabad like Pataka Bidi, Shiv Bidi, Noor Bidi,Bazrang Bidi etc. Pataka Bidi company is famous in India. It has many sector like hospital,tea and Fmcg etc. Pranab Mukherjee is the President of India from Jangipur City of Murshidabad.

Murshidabad assembly constituency is part of Murshidabad (Lok Sabha constituency).

Does Dhuliyan City warrant an article of its own? Or, should this be moved to the Murshidabad District article?-- CaroleHenson  ( talk ) 19:04, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

School
Who the editor added these school name.i mean these only the school in Murshidabad district.if you want to add ,add all schools Hamim000000 (talk) 16:30, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Pronunciation of "Murshidabad"
The given pronunciation is strictly British, and could be confusing to those who are not familiar with the exclusion of "r" sounds as being indicative of a British pronunciation. Perhaps a non-British pronunciation could be added, or it should be pointed out that the IPA is for British.69.113.151.63 (talk) 15:39, 1 May 2019 (UTC)corpho

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Ten-bell salute

In professional wrestling, a ten-bell salute is given to honor a wrestler who has died, especially when the wrestler is a current member of the promotion or a distinguished former member of the promotion. It is the professional wrestling equivalent of a three-volley salute. It is typically given at the beginning of a card, with the current members of the promotion either in the entryway, in the ring, or around the ring. Both the wrestlers and audience observe a moment of silence while the bell is rung.

In Japanese wrestling, ten-bell salutes (“ten-count gongs”) are held not only for deceased wrestlers but also for retiring wrestlers to mark the end of their careers. Retirement ten-count gongs are often preceded with a retirement ceremony for the retiree where they are presented with gifts, flowers and career memorabilia from the active roster, high-ranking officials of the promotion and special guests.

World Wrestling Federation/Entertainment/WWE
WWE (formerly known as the World Wrestling Federation and World Wrestling Entertainment) has included several ten-bell salutes in its television broadcasts and live events. Some of the honorees include:

In addition to honoring former wrestlers, several ten-bell salutes have been performed for non-wrestlers or to memorialize tragedies:
 * David Von Erich (1984, acute enteritis)
 * André the Giant (1993, heart failure)
 * Brian Pillman (1997, heart failure)
 * Rick Rude (1999, heart failure)
 * Owen Hart (1999, accidental fall during entrance stunt)
 * Gorilla Monsoon (1999, heart failure)
 * "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (2002, heart attack)
 * Lord Alfred Hayes (2005, complications from a stroke)
 * Eddie Guerrero (2005, heart failure)
 * The Fabulous Moolah (2007, heart attack)
 * Paul Bearer (2013, heart attack)
 * The Ultimate Warrior (2014, heart attack)
 * Verne Gagne (2015, complications from Alzheimer's disease)
 * Dusty Rhodes (2015, kidney failure)
 * Roddy Piper (2015, heart attack)
 * Bobby Heenan (2017, complications from throat cancer)
 * Bruno Sammartino (2018, multiple organ failure)
 * Jim Neidhart (2018, head injury from fall)
 * Gene Okerlund (2019, complications from fall)
 * Rocky Johnson (2020, blood clot)
 * Pat Patterson (2020, liver failure)
 * Terry Funk and Bray Wyatt (2023, unspecified and heart attack respectively)
 * WWF Events following the September 11, 2001 attacks, to honor those who were killed in the attacks on New York City and Washington, D.C. In 2018 on the 17 year anniversary of the event another 11-bell salute was performed.
 * On December 16, 2012, a 26-bell salute was given at the beginning of WWE's TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs pay-per-view in tribute to the 26 victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting that had taken place two days earlier in WWE's home state of Connecticut.
 * On May 30, 2016, the Memorial Day edition of Raw opened with a ten-bell salute in honor of fallen military members.
 * On January 15, 2018, Raw opened with a ten-bell salute in honor of Martin Luther King Jr.
 * On December 3, 2018, Raw opened with a ten bell salute in honor of former president George H. W. Bush, who had died a few days prior.
 * On August 5, 2019, Raw opened with a ten bell salute in honor of the victims of the shootings in El Paso and Dayton that happened a few days prior.

Ten-bell salutes within WWF/WWE storylines
While ten-bell salutes have typically been reserved for real-life deaths, it has been used in kayfabe on multiple occasions in WWE history (see worked shoot). The most recent instance was in June 2007 for Mr. McMahon (WWE chairman Vince McMahon's on-screen persona), as part of an angle in which he was inside a limousine that exploded, and was presumed dead.

In 1988, Harley Race was "honored" with ten bells as part of a promo by Bobby "The Brain" Heenan, wherein Heenan accused Hulk Hogan of causing serious injuries to Race. This angle grew out of a match during which Race was legitimately injured during a match against Hogan, due to a mistimed move, and was forced to take a hiatus.

On a Raw Is War broadcast shortly after the Royal Rumble in January 1998, Paul Bearer and Kane rang the bell ten times in ring to mock The Undertaker, with whom they were feuding at the time. Their actions grew from an incident at the Royal Rumble where, in the storyline, Kane and Bearer had locked The Undertaker in a casket and set it ablaze, presumably killing Undertaker. However, that failed when Undertaker returned and accepted Kane's challenge for a fight, setting the stage for WrestleMania XIV.

In 1999, a ten-bell salute was given to Big Show's father, who was said to have died of cancer as part of a storyline. In reality, he had died of stomach cancer in 1992.

In 2020, The Undertaker officially retired after 30 years of performing for the promotion. During his retirement ceremony at Survivor Series on November 22, the ten-bell salute was given for The Undertaker character.

Impact Wrestling
Arguably the best-known ten-bell salute in Total Nonstop Action Wrestling, now known as Impact Wrestling, is that given to Chris Candido at Hard Justice in May 2005. Candido had died of a blood clot due to complications of leg surgery two weeks earlier.

There was also a ten-bell salute at a TNA event in Amsterdam, New York on May 20, 2011, in honor of "Macho Man" Randy Savage, who had died that morning.

At Knockouts Knockdown in 2021, Lexie Fyfe began a 10-bell salute in honor of Daffney and led a "Thank You Daffney" chant.

On January 13, 2023, Hard To Kill began with a ten-bell salute to former Impact commentator Don West.

On August 27, 2023, Emergence opened with a ten-bell salute to commemorate Bray Wyatt and Terry Funk, both of whom had died earlier in the week.

Usage in other promotions
In Extreme Championship Wrestling at the 1998 CyberSlam event, a ten-bell salute was given in remembrance of Louie Spicolli, who died from an accidental drug overdose on February 15, 1998.

Also in ECW, a year later, a fan booed Rick Rude's 10 bell salute at an ECW show at the Elks Lodge. Bubba Ray Dudley got angry and swore at the fan for being disrespectful. Paul Heyman gave the fan double his money back and told him "to get the fuck out!"

Combat Zone Wrestling at Cage of Death 7 did a ten bell salute for Eddie Guerrero. A fan rudely interrupted saying "Fuck that!" during the salute and was kicked out.

Lucha Underground gave a ten-bell salute in remembrance of Perro Aguayo, Jr. on March 21, 2015, the night after Aguayo tragically died in the ring due to a freak accident that happened during a tag team match for The Crash in Tijuana.

On the morning of June 18, 2010, Trent Acid was found dead at his Philadelphia home by his mother. It was later determined that he had died from a drug overdose. At a Ring of Honor show in Buffalo, New York that night, a ten-bell salute was given to Acid.

Richard "Rick" Wilson, known professionally as The Renegade, committed suicide on February 23, 1999. He was 33 years old. His death was announced eight days later on Nitro, where he was honored with an "In Memory..." graphic at the beginning of the show and given a ten-bell salute.

On April 14, 2000, Masakazu Fukuda suffered a fatal head injury during a match with Katsuyori Shibata in the Young Lion Cup Tournament after taking a flying elbow drop. He was rushed to the hospital, but died five days later on April 19 due to a brain hemorrhage; he was 27 years old. The rest of the tournament was dedicated to Masakuza's memory. He was honored with a ten-bell salute and a tribute show in September of that year.

On December 15, 2001, Combat Zone Wrestling's Cage of Death 3 show had a ten bell salute for Russ Haas, with some wrestlers wearing black armbands, and others taping "RH" on their wrestling boots.

Major League Wrestling held a ten-bell salute for Miss Elizabeth in 2003.

In 2009, Ring of Honor held a ten-bell salute for Mitsuharu Misawa.

At MCW Shane Shamrock Cup 11 on July 30, 2011, a ten-bell salute was observed in honor of Tim Burke's death. At the time of his MCW Hall of Fame induction, the company acknowledged the contributions of Burke and Dennis Wipprecht stating that "had it not been for these two men there may not be wrestling in Maryland today".

Brian Hildebrand died from bowel cancer on September 8, 1999 at the age of 37. He refereed one last match at a local independent show mere days before his death. Hildebrand's death was briefly acknowledged on the following episode of Thunder, but the first WCW event to have taken place after his death was a house show on September 11 at the Baltimore Arena, which was held in his honor with a ten-bell salute. Late in the show, friends Chris Benoit, Dean Malenko, and Shane Douglas (known as The Revolution) shared heartfelt words about Hildebrand and dedicated the show to him.

Ohio Valley Wrestling held a 10-bell salute to honor Matt Cappotelli after his death in 2018.

All Japan Pro Wrestling held a ten-bell salute for The Dynamite Kid in 2018.

On June 21, 2020, World Wonder Ring Stardom held a ten-bell salute for Hana Kimura at Stardom is Again, the first event for the promotion since the COVID-19 pandemic related shut down of the wrestling industry in Japan and Kamura's suicide death on May 23, 2020.

On December 30, 2020, All Elite Wrestling's Brodie Lee Celebration of Life memorial event had a ten-bell salute in honor of Brodie Lee who died of a non-COVID-19 related lung issue that month.

In boxing
The ten-bell salute is also used in boxing to honor deceased boxers, where it is also known as the "final ten-count".

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Our Films, Their Films

Our Films, Their Films is an anthology of film criticism by noted Bengali filmmaker, composer and writer Satyajit Ray. Collecting articles and personal journal excerpts, it was first published in India in 1976; an English translation was published in The United States and United Kingdom in 1992. Some of articles were previously published in the bulletin of the Calcutta Film Society which Ray co-founded in 1947.

As the title suggests, the book is presented in two sections: Ray discusses Indian film in the first section, and covers international topics such as Hollywood, Charlie Chaplin, Akira Kurosawa, and movements like Italian neorealism in the second section.

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The Farm (San Francisco)

The Farm, (founded 1974) also known as Crossroads Community, was an environmental art and performance art  project that also operated as a community center. The Farm was located at the corner of Army Street (later renamed Cesar Chavez Street) and Potrero Avenue in San Francisco, California, from 1974 to 1987. It was founded by Bonnie Ora Sherk and Jack Wickert in 1974. The open space incorporated a major freeway interchange and is now site of Potrero del Sol Park (formally La Raza Park).

Sherk referred to the thirteen year-long project as an "environmental sculpture" where edible crops were grown, livestock were raised and educational programming took place. Sherk spoke of the project: "We're attempting to reconnect people and humanize environments" and that the "growth process in life is like the creative process in art."

History
Adults and children would gather at The Farm which was across a park from Buena Vista Elementary School. Children from Buena Vista would visit the Farm for field trips or go to the Farm after school.

The Farm had a two-story building; the lower story contained an actual farm, with vegetable gardens, chickens, geese, rabbits, and goats. Upstairs was a library and an art gallery. Also on the bottom level was a pre-school. The Farm would put on DIY shows to raise funds.

Sherk departed in 1980 after the city parks department decided to reclaim one of the Farm's lots and turn it into a traditional urban park. Later directors turned the Farm into a punk rock showcase by night, by partnering with mobile garage productions run by Craig Shell and Bill Gould (of faith no more), infamous for staging seminal 1980s punk rock bands such as Frightwig, Discharge, Camper Van Beethoven, the Descendents, the Mentors, 7 Seconds, MDC (Millions of Dead Cops), RKL (Rich Kids on LSD), Dirty Rotten Imbeciles, Raw Power, the Accused, Redd Kross, Soundgarden, the Gits, the Lookouts (early band of Green Day drummer), Bad Brains, and many more.

'80s punk shows at The Farm, such as the Black Flag / Redd Kross show on November 16, 1984, attracted notable figures including Kevin Thatcher and Mofo of Thrasher Magazine, along with members of The Faction.

Buildings in the same complex also housed Survival Research Laboratories, Goforaloop Gallery, Subterranean Records, and CoreOS.

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Anthology Film Archives

Anthology Film Archives is an international center for the preservation, study, and exhibition of film and video, with a particular focus on independent, experimental, and avant-garde cinema. The film archive and theater is located at 32 Second Avenue on the southeast corner of East 2nd Street, in a New York City historic district in the East Village neighborhood of Manhattan.

History

Anthology Film Archives evolved from roots and visions that date from the early 1960s, when Lithuanian artist Jonas Mekas, the founder and director of the Film-makers’ Cinematheque, a showcase for avant-garde films, dreamed of establishing a permanent home where the growing number of new independent and avant-garde films could be shown on a regular basis. This dream became a reality in 1969 when Jerome Hill, P. Adams Sitney, Peter Kubelka, Stan Brakhage, and Mekas drew up plans to create a museum dedicated to the vision of the art of cinema as guided by the avant-garde sensibility. A Film Selection committee – James Broughton, Ken Kelman, Kubelka, Mekas, and Sitney – was formed to establish a definitive collection of films (The Essential Cinema Repertory) and to determine the structure of the new institution.

Anthology opened on November 30, 1970, at Joseph Papp's Public Theater with Jerome Hill as its sponsor. After Hill's death in 1974, Anthology relocated to 80 Wooster Street in SoHo. Pressed by the need for more adequate space, it acquired its present home, a former municipal courthouse, in 1979. Under the guidance of the architects Raimund Abraham and Kevin Bone and at a cost of $1,450,000, the building was adapted to house two motion picture theaters, a reference library, a film preservation department, offices, and a gallery, opening to the public on October 12, 1988.

In 1998, New York University film students began NewFilmmakers, which became a popular weekly series having screened many thousands of documentary, short, and feature films.

Programs and collections
Anthology Film Archives screens nearly 1,000 public programs annually; features weekly in-person appearances by artists with their work; and publishes historical and scholarly books and catalogs. Anthology maintains an invaluable collection of approximately 20,000 films and 5,000 videotapes and preserves 25-35 films each year with more than 900 titles preserved to date. Anthology's research library holds the world's largest collection of paper materials documenting the history of American and international film and video as art, and is accessed weekly by students, scholars, researchers, writers, artists, and curators.

Notable artists represented in the collection

 * Vito Acconci
 * Peggy Ahwesh
 * Kenneth Anger
 * Bruce Baillie
 * Ericka Beckman
 * Jordan Belson
 * Wallace Berman
 * Edward Bland
 * Lizzie Borden
 * Stan Brakhage
 * Robert Breer
 * James Broughton
 * Rudy Burckhardt
 * Mary Ellen Bute
 * Shirley Clarke
 * Bruce Conner
 * Tony Conrad
 * Joseph Cornell
 * Storm de Hirsch
 * Manuel De Landa
 * Maya Deren
 * Robert Downey, Sr.
 * Ed Emshwiller
 * Fluxus
 * Hollis Frampton
 * Robert Frank
 * Ernie Gehr
 * Bette Gordon
 * Dwinell Grant
 * Alexander Hammid
 * Hilary Harris
 * Jerome Hill
 * J. Hoberman
 * Peter Hutton
 * Ken Jacobs
 * Joan Jonas
 * Larry Jordan
 * Marjorie Keller
 * Peter Kubelka
 * George Kuchar
 * Mike Kuchar
 * Frank Kuenstler
 * George Landow
 * Fernand Léger
 * Alfred Leslie
 * Helen Levitt
 * Len Lye
 * Danny Lyon
 * Willard Maas
 * George Maciunas
 * Gregory Markopoulos
 * Jim McBride
 * Taylor Mead
 * Jonas Mekas
 * Marie Menken
 * Robert Nelson
 * Nam June Paik
 * Sidney Peterson
 * Luther Price
 * Ron Rice
 * Hans Richter
 * Lionel Rogosin
 * Barbara Rubin
 * Carolee Schneemann
 * Paul Sharits
 * Harry Smith
 * Jack Smith
 * Michael Snow
 * Warren Sonbert
 * Frank Stauffacher
 * Amy Taubin
 * Stan Vanderbeek
 * Andy Warhol
 * Joyce Weiland
 * Jud Yalkut

The building
Manhattan Third District Magistrate's Courthouse and Jail, aka New Essex Market Courthouse, at 32 Second Avenue (aka 43-45 East 2nd Street), opened on April 30, 1919. The three-story brick and terra cotta building was designed in the Renaissance Revival style by Alfred Hopkins, author of a book on prison construction. The design replaced a more ambitious 1913 plan for a 14-story municipal tower.

One of the most notorious gang murders in a neighborhood then notorious for its gangs occurred outside the courthouse doors on August 28, 1923, when "Kid Dropper" was assassinated by gunman Louis Cohen.

The court relocated after February 1946, and the building became a youth center for the Police Athletic League. After 1948, the building was known as the Lower Manhattan Magistrate's Courthouse.

The building lies within the East Village/Lower East Side Historic District, designated by the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission in 2012.

In popular culture
In the 2004 film Spider-Man 2, the Anthology Film Archives building was used as the exterior of Doctor Octopus' laboratory.

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Breck School
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