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User talk:Nichalp/Archive 13

Your peer review comments on shoe polish
Hi Nichalp, thanks for your comments. I'll do my best with them. And for the picture - that's motivation! ;) The only comment I am unsure about is the 'dubious copyright nature' of the image ... ? I thought promotional images were ok to use, but then I again, I don't know much about image copyrights. Proto t c 12:00, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I've put it here. Proto t c 14:08, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Life in India
Its great. I thought the horiz.line would be distracting but on the EoI page, it actually makes it stand out. pamri 13:09, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

Cat
Sorry about being so quick to put it on the FAC without looking over the former FAC. I've made an attempt at referencing many things mentioned in the former FAC. SEWilco fixed the TOC problem just a bit. Is it any better now? -- A Link to the Past 15:00, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

Dragonfly list
Thanks for your suggestions regarding List of Dragonfly species recorded in Britain. Could you tell me which particular items of text you think ought not to be in bold font? Quite happy to get rid of some of it if there is too much. The red links are deliberate - I'm trying to encourage other people to write articles on all these species, so that I don't have to. Many thanks - SP-KP 18:07, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Mumbai
I'm having a dispute with a user on the definition of 'Mumbai'. (Template Talk:Mumbai infobox). Mumbai is defined by the two districts. This area is called the Mumbai metropolis. A city/metropolis in India is defined by a municipality. He cites the MMRDA website (see the map). [MMRDA is a state govt. initiative, not a municipality].

Unfortunately the term "Mumbai" is not used at all outside the municipal limits as defined on the Mumbai page, and is not considered a part of the city by anyone of us here, or by residents in those area, (New Bombay/Kalyan etc.). =Nichalp  «Talk»=  06:13, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

 * I glanced over the discussion. Will give my inputs once I find some time. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:36, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
for the barnstar! -shuri 07:33, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Mumbai
I beleive even Dahisar is not within Mumbai. it's upto Borivali on Western side and Mulund on Central side. --Just my 2 cents -- Hemanshu 11:22, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

Flag of India
What is there to look at there? I can see nothing of relevance to me -Josquius

Hindi
Hi Nichalp, can you fix up the Hindi wikibook a bit? For example http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Hindi:Basic_Hindi contains links to pictures of the words instead of just having the devangari written there. If you could fix that, that would be great. Even better would be to record sound samples, but that would be asking a lot. Or maybe you would know someone that would like to help with that? I am just starting to learn Hindi, starting with learning the alphabet, and I found our Hindi material is not very good so far. Our Hindi article doesn't even have the devangari for all the consonants. I reallized my response message on my talk page sounds a lot harsher than I meant it, and I do appreciate that you thought of me. Thanks - Taxman Talk 14:54, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

London
It will depend on how you define London - see London - but I would generally call those areas home counties and not London: however, parts of the traditional counties are now in Greater London or within the M25. -- ALoan (Talk) 15:10, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

 * They are not in London (although historically, Surrey covered much of what is now South London, with historic Kent in what is now SE London, they aren't generally considered to be "London" now - except for cricketing purposes!) jguk 18:10, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Greater London is well-defined now (I mean the concept, I haven't read the article). I suggest going with data for Greater London, jguk 06:50, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Agreed - just be specific about which "London" you are talking about: City of London (the extremely central "square mile") is likely to be too narrow, as is Inner London.  On the other hand, Greater London is well defined, but includes lots of suburban areas. -- ALoan (Talk) 09:52, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Dragonflies
Hi - many thanks for your reply. Could you expand on your first comment - which text do you believe is unnecessary (or did you mean unnecessary formatting?). My view is that bold has been used correctly, but if others disagree, I'm happy to remove any bold formatting which causes a problem. However, I can't do that unless you tell me which items you think are bold which shouldn't be.

Also, I didn't understand why you suggested that I create stubs for the red-linked species, as I had explained why I hadn't. If I have misunderstood your message, please try again. - SP-KP 18:04, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hiya. Just wanted to thank you for supporting my recent RfA. Cheers! --Ngb 19:17, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Belgium
I have made a lot of changes within Belgium most according to your suggestions.
 * I think reducing more the before independence section would be too much. It is important in this section to keep a NPOV and treat all periods of time on a same neutral footing.  We cannot only pick out the parts of history which seem to lead to the building of a Belgian, Flemish or whatever nation (as was done in the past -- see discussion about why Belgium is not featured anymore).
 * Don't you think this is a matter of taste whether the subtitles in Culture and Before Independence are kept or not. I personally have the feeling they really help the reader.
 * I have separated the section communities, regions and provinces from politics. This section can definitively not be merged with Geography.  It can be with politics but not geography because the territoriality of the Communities is not that simple.  This can even lead to NPOV conflicts if not carefully done.--131.220.68.177 09:52, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

OK. Now the introduction seems ok to me. Belgium is a small country with high population density in the middle of Western Europe. Second Belgium is characterised by two languages and the resulting conflicts and complicated history and institutions. The name of Belgium is not relevant because it leads to the wrong opinion that Belgium existed in the antiquity. --131.220.68.177 13:46, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Well I don't think the history of the name is that interesting: it must be mentioned but not here. If I well understand what you mean, you are looking for something which could make the intro a bit appealing. I thought about the following but I have the feeling that's not that politically correct:
 * The Belgians are well-known for their French fries, their chocolates and their eternal quibbles.

What do you think?--131.220.68.177 14:26, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Well I think I have it --131.220.68.177 15:08, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Dragonflies
Many thanks for your very useful comments about bold text and references - I will implement these changes on the page as soon as I can.

With regard to the redlinks, if you would like something done about those, I think you should probably make these comments to Dsdmgold not to me, as it is his idea that the list be nominated for promotion to Featured List status. I am happy to make changes to the list page to improve it for readability etc, and if these also help it to become a featured list, that's good. However, it's unlikely that I'll have time to create stubs for all species on the page though, still less full articles. - SP-KP 19:05, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

My userpage
Hi.

I see that you had taken upon you, no doubt with the best intentions, to 'correct' the spelling on my userpage. However, I would be gratefull if you in the future instead directed my attentions to such things on my talk page - I like to have controll of my own userpage, as I'm sure you do too.

If you do wish to be helpfull, I got one article up for peer review as well as one listed as a featured article candidate that I would love to get comments on. Not related to neither India nor cricket, but hopefully interesting all the same.

WegianWarrior 19:14, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Similarly. As far as I'm concerned, if anyone reading my talk page does not know what country New York is in, then they probably don't care. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:05, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

Thank You
Thanks for giving me a barnstar. Its my 1st barnstar and that makes it all the more special. Again, thanks. --User:Deepak gupta 21:45, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

The Oz books FLC
I would encourage you to take another look at the page and reconsider your vote. I have expanded it using some reviews I found of the books, and added covers of all the original 40 books. Thanks. — 00:22, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Flag of Belarus FAC
To answer your concerns: Zscout370 (Sound Off) 02:28, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I moved some of the material around to where the current flag and it's information is fist, then you have the historical flags afterwards
 * Use since 1991 has been changed to 1995 to reflect the year it was replaced
 * I removed the brackets
 * I added the meaning of the colors. While the meaning of the green did not change, the meaning of the red color did changed slightly. The red in the BySSR flag stood for the revolution, the current flag used red to symbolize the armies of the past defending Belarus.
 * I have no clue what the flags are made out of, since I do not know what the law requires (if at all).

Hindi language user tag project
Hi. Could you take a look at this and translate the stuff at the bottom of the page (I hope your Hindi is better than mine)...--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91 ($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|)  06:39, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks, although credit goes to you for getting it to FA. ps - Didn't want to touch your userpage, so putting it here. pamri 11:46, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

Notice of reply to your comment at another page
Notice of reply to your comment at another page; Please see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Hindi_language_user_tag_project#Bombaywala_Nichalp...._Help.21_.28please.29 Bombaywala Nichalp.... Help! (please)] Thanks: Scott P. 17:25:53, 2005-08-20 (UTC)

Devanagari script being crunched into question marks in US?
Notice of reply to your comment at another page; Please see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Hindi_language_user_tag_project#Bombaywala_Nichalp...._Help.21_.28please.29 Bombaywala Nichalp.... ] Thanks: Scott P. 18:41:02, 2005-08-20 (UTC)

 * Notice of reply to your comment at another page;
 * Please see Browser and script considerations... Thanks: Scott P. 19:56:36, 2005-08-20 (UTC)

 * Notice of reply to your comment at another page;
 * Please see Discussion about the hi-4 tag. Thanks Nichalp for all of your kindly assistance with all of this.  Sorry to find out that the legibility problem was a formatting problem originating primarily in my outdated Windows ME operating system.  Still, I believe that the tags are much improved as a result of all of this work.  Thanks again, -Scott P. 12:52:41, 2005-08-21 (UTC)

 * My email is scotwperry@democracywatch.org . I'd very much appreciate the XP Hindi font, thanks. -Scott P. 13:19:50, 2005-08-21 (UTC)

 * Thanks kindly :-) -Scott P. 13:29:52, 2005-08-21 (UTC)

 * Hey Nichalp, thanks for the script. Bahut aur hacha hae!  Now I can see the script in MS IE! (But not yet in Firefox for some reason, which probably requires some more tweaking of Firefox on my part now.)
 * Since I am no longer blind, I have now been able to try to finish fixing the hi-4 template at Template:User_hi-4. I'm not certain as to whether or not I did this correctly, and if you could possibly give it one final go-over, that would be very much appreciated.  You have restored sight to the blind I would suppose, but I wouldn't yet try to start walking on water just yet, but you never know...... :)  -Scott P. 15:20:14, 2005-08-21 (UTC)

NFL
Good one, Nick. ROTFL. Tintin 13:05, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) =Nichalp   «Talk»=  13:07, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Holidays
You may be interested in the WikiProject, WikiProject Holidays, a WikiProject that will focus on standardizing articles about Holidays. It has been around for quite some time, but I'm starting it up again, and would like to see some more members (and our original members) around the help out. Cheers. — Ilγαηερ   (Tαlκ)  21:10, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I looked at my userpage and remembered it. As to the articles, we probably need to build consensus on the structure of them at the wikiproject (it seems pretty good as it stands, however) and then see if we can change the articles accordingly. Also, you may want to consider adding the infobox to the articles. Happy festival-ing :D — Ilγαηερ   (Tαlκ)  13:39, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I guess we could expand it to public observances, as they are sort of a holiday. — Ilγαηερ   (Tαlκ)  03:08, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Try organizing it a little, and adding a history section. Also, you can change the color of the infobox. You should do the subst: thing and change the colors to match the country it's celebrated in, etc. — Ilγαηερ   (Tαlκ)  20:16, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

History of Arizona
Thank you for your commentary on the article I listed on FAC. I did my best to expand the recent events sections and would like to know if my edits were satisfactory at the FAC. Thank you very much. Toothpaste 22:22, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Anglo-Indians
Good to see that. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 08:03, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Signpost
I will add removals starting next week; it seems to have been forgotten as I took over. Thanks for the heads-up. ral 315  13:14, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Re:Silesia
Independence? Nope. I have heard some about movements for more autonomy, though. There is for example the Ruch Autonomii Śląska (Movememt for the Silesian Autonomy). Unfortunately, their English webpage seems 404, so there is only Polish and German (see link). You may also want to browse through their link page, some seem to be in English. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 19:03, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Mumbai article modification (source issue)
Hello, the slum statistic was mentioned below in the "BusinessWeek" of August 12, only I felt it needed pointing out in the preamble as well, to give a balanced view of the city.

Thank you for your constructive comments. If there is a continued problem with my correction's legitimacy, please let me know and I'll clear it out.

RSC
Saw this while browsing around. There is no cover, and I guess the gully is slightly behind square on the offside. Tintin 18:00, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Oops ! I directly went from the rsc page to the image without cross checking here. Tintin 18:11, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Mumbai article modification
The "BusinessWeek" citation has been made at the very bottom after your first comment. Thank you for telling me how to post a comments and replies properly.

Janmashtami
Hello, Nichalp. I need help again. Could you tell me when Janmashtami is, please ? The article didn't say when, but it's listed on Template: Current events for August 27. I checked on the 'Net, and theholidayspot.com says August 26, but 123greetings.com says August 27. My question on Talk:Janmashtami went unanswered. When should this holy day appear on the MainPage ? I am quite confused. This holy day is notable enough for the MainPage, right ? Thanks in advance. -- PFHLai 03:42, 2005 August 25 (UTC)

 * Great ! I'll post this on the Sel. Anniv. template for the 27th. Thank you. -- PFHLai 05:57, 2005 August 25 (UTC)

 * Tintin says it's the 26th, i.e. tomorrow. I've asked him to add to the Janmashtami page. Regional differences, eh ? I wonder what I should do for the MainPage.... -- PFHLai 07:02, 2005 August 25 (UTC)

 * Regional differences. Happens often and for many festivals. I have checked that it is on 26th for Tamil Nadu and Kerala. Tintin 07:06, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I've posted "Janmashtami in Hinduism (2005)" on the MainPage template for both the 26th and the 27th. Could you add the dates to the Janmashtami page, please ? I wouldn't know which place celebrate this day on what day. Thanks. -- PFHLai 07:17, 2005 August 25 (UTC)

 * I added the dates. Is it alright to put it just as North and South, or should we say North and Central India ? Tintin 07:31, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I've revised the 2 MainPage templates accordingly, mentioning North & South India, respectively. Thanks a lot. :-) -- PFHLai 07:41, 2005 August 25 (UTC)
 * Thanks

Nick, There are another article called Krishna Janmaashtami which talks about Janmashtami from a South Indian perspective. The names Gokulashtami, Sreekrishna jayanti (incorrectly mentioned in the article as Sree jayanti) are terms used in the South. 'little feet drawn with flour paste' is also a South Indian custom, afaik. Shouldn't they be merged ? Tintin 08:08, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the merge, Nick. :-) -- PFHLai 02:15, 2005 August 26 (UTC)

Nichalp, fyi: User: 128.205.237.140 has un-moved the articles by copying-&-pasting, and left a message for you on Talk:Janmaashtami. -- PFHLai 03:59, 2005 August 26 (UTC)

Great ! Thanks for handling the anon's edit. I've made Dahi Handi a redirect to Krishna Janmaashtami in case there are people searching for this today. Dahi Handi somehow reminds me of the Chinese Bun Festival, with buns instead of pots with curd, and more "competitive". :-)

Happy Janmaashtami, Nick. Have fun with the camera. :-) -- PFHLai 18:57, 2005 August 26 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sharing the pictures. The Krishna Janmaashtami page really looks better with them. I find it quite cute that the people in the pyramid even wear uniforms. One things may be obvious but I ain't sure: When the Dahi-Handi is broken, would the curd and butter inside drop on everyone in the pyramid ? I suppose this is the fun part for the kids, eh ? :-) -- PFHLai 18:11, 2005 August 27 (UTC)

 * Competing teams ? Now that's just like Bun Festival. But kids that young won't get to the buns. BTW, I've added your nice picture to the Pyramid page. -- PFHLai 18:55, 2005 August 27 (UTC)
 * Thanks =Nichalp   «Talk»=  06:49, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Hi Nick ! Just found out that you have so many other nice pictures in Wikipedia, you deserve another barnstar ! :-) Cheers ! -- PFHLai 02:34, 2005 August 30 (UTC)

VAT
Yes, there is VAT on goods imported from outside the EU - as the article says VAT is generally charged at the border, at the same time as customs duty when goods enter the EU from other states. However, it must be said that goods often enter the EU without it being collected (in the post, or people's luggage). -- ALoan (Talk) 09:29, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Famous person
B-) It took about three weeks from the interview to publication.  One of my fellow cow orkers here saw the item in the paper that morning before I did.  Cool news about IRFCA.  I'd been using some of the information from their timeline page for the Selected Anniversaries section of the portal.  slambo 12:49, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

rollback
ah, no problem, i just thought there was kind of a high concentration of potential wiki links there that a reader might want to investigate. anyway, as long as a link exists somewhere it doesn't bother me.

Copyediting
Will do that soon. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:40, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Bill O'Reilly (commentator)
Something's happened to Oppose edits here. Could you look at it please. -- Ian ≡ talk 06:58, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Districts of Uttar Pradesh
My request to User:Hemanshu  User:Nichalp User:Sundar   – please see my comments on the talk page of Districts of Uttar Pradesh and please post your advice/comments/suggestions there. Thank you. --Bhadani 08:16, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Brihanmumbai_Electric_Supply_and_Transport
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brihanmumbai_Electric_Supply_and_Transport

Hi Nichalp

Thank you for participating at the german Wikipedia. But, please, never put articles in who're translated with google; the hit rate is poor and many sentences don't make any sense. With other words, they're even worse than my English :). If you want to contribute, just put in a stub with basic dates and a short description ( http://dict.leo.org/ may help you) and hope, that someone expand it.

Greetings, a german Wikipedian

 * Thanks for the tip. I didn't know Google translate was that bad. I'll stick to your suggestions. Regards :) and sorry for the trouble, =Nichalp   «Talk»=  18:24, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

PD-Australia
I'd thought I'd already registered at WP:ICT. I have now duplicated the template in Commmons and registered there also. Hope I haven't missed anything. -- Ian ≡ talk 07:07, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Perhaps I missed that one in ICT. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  07:14, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Krag-Petersson
Hello.

I apologise for 'spamming' your talkpage like this, but you was so helpfull to leave comments when the article on the Krag-Petersson was listed on WP:FAC / WP:PR. Since I've just nominated it for FAC, I would be gratefull if you could take the time to look it over and leave a comment at Featured article candidates/Krag-Petersson.

Thank you for your time

WegianWarrior 08:53, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikiproject Indian cities
Namaste Nichalp, thanks for your welcome. I hope I can add some infos. I'm surprised that not many are members in this project, maybe we need to stir some marketing here. I have some ideas how we can make the layout more attractive, also by usage of more colour etc. I'm kinda bogged down with work at the moment, but as soon as I have more spare-time, I'll make more contributions and probably will get back in touch with you again. You live in Bombay? atcha bery nice... Gryffindor 17:54, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Wikiproject Indian Cities
thanks! definitely will do.

--bikehorn 18:45, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Castella de Aguada
Sorry not to answer. I've just arrived home. Castle by the Sea would be in Portuguese (if you are talking about Portuguese language) would be "Castelo à beira mar" ou "castelo do mar". Castella is probably an arcaic word for a fortress (fortaleza). Castle is "castelo" (male) or castello (old Portuguese), castella (female) would mean "small castle".

Aguada is a provision of drinkable water for sea-travels or a place where you can get water, it is also the name of a Brazilian tree. "De" means "of" (neutral) so it is the "Castle of Aguada".

It surelly is a small castle that has a relation with water.

sea = mar (from Latin mare) water = água (from Latin aqua) castle= castelo (from Latin Castellu) maritime =marítimo (from Latin maritimu) ocean = oceano (from Latin Oceanu)

 * np. It is a beautiful name though. The "ll" is read as separated "l" so castel'la, not like Spanish. --Pedro 12:17, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * well, there isnt the "ll"/"lh" sound in English, maybe that sound is the closest English has, I dont known. The Spanish "ll" is the Portuguese "lh" and the Italian "gl". Castella (Spanish) is also "land of castles" (sort of). That's the name of the main Spanish kingdom that formed Spain. --Pedro 12:44, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

VfD
I see you often closing VfD's, but you don't archive them... above the header write

Delete (Or whatever the result is). ~

and below the last vote write

Thanks Nichalp. R e  dwolf24  (talk) 00:35, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Tamil FAs
Yeah. It's unfortunate that India is not featured in Tamil Wikipedia. UK got the focus there as it came in the news section. I'll try and translate the remaining sections of "culture" and "demographics" before nominating it for FA status. As for Tamil Nadu, it is almost only a translation + cleanup of the current English article. It could easily become a FA there as the bar is quite low. Doing that here would require a lot of effort. Let's see if we can make it here. For your first demand of getting India to FA status there, I can assure you that it'll be done in a week. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 11:30, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

Copyright answer

 * FYI, I answered your question at Village pump (assistance) DreamGuy

Fair use vs public domain
Hi! I want to scan a picture of a former Indian sports star. Our newspaper has published a photo of him, but the photo is pre-1945, which means copyrights to the original photo have expired. So if I scan the image from the newspaper is it PD or faiuse? Thanks. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  07:22, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind that I am not a lawyer, just someone who is interested in copyright law. That said, if the copyright has expired, and your scan is as accurate as possible, and you don't pick up any of the surrounding newspaper text, and India law is similar to that of the US, then the image is in the public domain. --Carnildo 18:12, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Are you sure pre-1945 means the copyright expired? Is that by law in India? Following US law, items before 1945 may have expired, but we wouldn't know for sure unless we looked up to see if they renewed their copyright (they had to back then). Only things 1923 and before are guaranteed to have expired. If it has expired then it's definitely PD. DreamGuy 19:23, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Regarding your post on my talk page, I don't even know that the law in India makes that much difference, as the servers are in the United States. The important question is its copyright status here, not elsewhere. Also keep in mind that you are asking about copyright on sometihng before 1945 and referring to a 1957 law, which isn't important. You need to find the laws that were in effect when the photo was made. DreamGuy 20:11, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

List of recognised political parties in India
Hi. A gentle reminder on List of recognised political parties in India. By the way, India article in Tamil wiki is coming up very well. It'll soon become a FA there. :-) -- Sundar \talk \contribs 08:54, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Holidays

 * It's looking pretty good so far...Also, if you can set up an autotemplating infobox, that'd be marvelous. Cheers. — Ilγαηερ   (Tαlκ)  22:07, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Ann Arbor, Michigan - a second look
Hello, I was wondering if you would take a second look at the article. I have attempted to address as many concerns that you have brought up as possible. Thanks. Pentawing 23:22, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * I included the modifications that you suggested. However, for the media section, I am inclined to see it as culturally related, given that the section deals with stations and their contents rather than their transmission equipment and coverage area (unless you could give me a very good reason why the section, in its current state, should be in infrastructure). As for the University of Michigan template, someone else placed it there (for what reason I don't know). I might remove soon though. Pentawing 20:12, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Re: back
Hi, thanks for the welcome back (: Glad to see that I was noticed, hehe.  I couldn't really stay away, of course, the plusses outweigh the minuses here.   — siro  χ  o  04:19, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Hello
Hello, Nichalp. I hope you don't mind if I "steal" your bright yellow box at the top of this page for my user pages? I've "applied" to be a mediator. Thanks! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 23:35, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Would you mind expressing your opinion at WP:MC? I'm afraid the page isn't visited regularly by most Wikipedians. Thanks!

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Category talk:Discontinued Microsoft software

Untitled
I was wondering if there may be a need to expand this category into a heirachy or to simplify into say a new category called End-of-life. This would allow hardware and software to be represented uniformly. -SusanRoy 06:42, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Category:Abandonware. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 03:35, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Discontinued proprietary software like Microsoft's cannot be categorized as abandonware. After discontinuing, Microsoft usually provides support for these products for a limited time, and the relating copyrights are kept and maintaned afterall for ever, despite of support. (MSfan)

I also suggest to include the following products in this list (at the appropriate section): Microsoft Vizact 2000, Microsoft Liquid Motion. (MSfan)

Microsoft Frontpage
Microsoft FrontPage was replaced by Expression Web and SharePoint Designer so I think it should go here.
 * Agreed, feel free to add it, if haven't already. --Kibbled bits (talk) 13:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Microsoft Taxsaver
Where is the Microsoft Taxsaver discontinuation debacle? Anyone who prepared their taxes with Microsoft Taxsaver was forgotten; especially, if audited by the taxing entity. My particular audit brought in DRM aspects, since Microsoft Taxsaver's installer would not actually install itself due to the deactivation of its authentication server versus the length of time between product discontinuation and the year the tax audit was initiated. As such, attempts to install a legally-obtained master of Microsoft Taxsaver to access legally-mandated data were unsuccessful. Intuit may have celebrated the demise of Microsoft Taxsaver; others lamented since the IRS remained and remains unforgiving when a tax software publisher exits the field.

As an aside...this lapse further exposes a continuing and growing issue with Wikipedia...related issues can only be integrated indirectly, at distance, neither completely nor fully. How and where can these inter-related ideas and constructs be connected and maintained across multiple articles? Additionally, if the "proof" or required reference was in a video interview, how could that be incorporated? Video interview references (with timecodes) are usually erased; what's the sense in that? Surely firsthand accounts by actual creators/practitioners/participants are equal to published documents (like admittedly, well-researched, but non-peer-reviewed books that are currently held sacrosanct). Please reflect on these comments, thank you.


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Abergorlech

Abergorlech is a village 8 mi to the north-west of Llandeilo in Carmarthenshire, Wales. It lies on the River Cothi on the B4310 road, between Brechfa to the southwest and Llansawel to the northeast.

The Pont Cothi bridge, which crosses the River Cothi in the centre of the village, is a grade II* listed building.

The village is connected to Dafydd Gorlech (fl. c. 1410–1490), one of the poets of the nobility.

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Left Foot, Right Foot

Left Foot, Right Foot is the second album by Australian hip hop group Hilltop Hoods. It was released on the 18th of August 2001. To promote the album the group performed six or seven shows over a few months.

Track listing
There is an additional track that is hidden and is playable if the album is rewound while playing Track 1.
 * "Afternoon Group Session" (Daniel Smith, Matthew Lambert) - 3:53

Personnel

 * Daniel Smith — vocals
 * Matthew Lambert — vocals
 * Nick Lambert — guitar (track 2)
 * Jodie Morgan — vocals (tracks 3, 14)
 * Chris Lambert — double bass (track 5), percussion (track 9)
 * Hau Latukefu — vocals (track 6)
 * Danielsan Ichiban — scratches (track 6)
 * Adam Markey — bass guitar (track 11)
 * G. Kordas — scratches (track 12)
 * Barry Francis — vocals (track 15), scratches (track 20)
 * Gianni Valente — vocals (track 15)
 * M. Veraguth — vocals (track 15)
 * Daniel Yates — scratches (track 17)

Credits

 * Mastered: Neville Clarke
 * Producer: Matthew Lambert (tracks 1-10, 12-14, 16-20); Barry Francis & M. Veraguth (track 11 & 15)
 * Artwork: J. Englehardt

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Abergwesyn

Abergwesyn is a village in the Welsh county of Powys, in mid-Wales, at the start of the Abergwesyn valley and at the confluence of the Afon Irfon and the Afon Gwesyn. It is 52 mi from Cardiff and 158 mi from London.

Abergwesyn Commons stretch between the Nant Irfon valley and Llanwrthwl. They are rich in archaeology, including Bronze Age ritual sites and deserted medieval villages. A National Trust project is focused on the preservation of the peatland.

Abergwesyn Commons
Abergwesyn Commons cover an area of some 16,500 acre and stretch for 12 mi between the Nant Irfon valley in the west and Llanwrthwl in the east, are rich in archaeology, including Bronze Age ritual sites and deserted medieval villages. There are many cairns and other evidence of ancient human activity. To the north the ground falls away to the edge of the Elan Valley Reservoirs. The summit ridge is wild and bleak with expansive views across the roof of Wales. Among the wildlife to be seen are red grouse, northern lapwing and red kite.

National Trust
The National Trust has an ongoing ecology project, centred on the preservation of peatland in the 16,500 acre Abergwesyn Commons. The site has extensive areas of deep peat and blanket bog in poor condition due to past overgrazing and burning. The work done has benefited the golden plover, an amber-listed species on the Birds of Conservation Concern index.

Church and chapel
Originally a chapel of ease to Llangamarch, St David's later became a parish church, but was last used as such in the mid-19th century. It stands within the remnants of a churchyard and is linked to Dewi's Well (a holy well or fount).

In 1740 the curate in the parishes of Llanwrtyd, Llanfihangel Abergwesyn and Llanddewi Abergwesyn, was Wales' most famous hymn-writer William Williams Pantycelyn. Llanddewi Abergwesyn parish was united with Llanfihangel Abergwesyn parish in 1885, and separate marriage registers were not kept thereafter. Parish registers are held, at the National Library of Wales and/or Powys Archives for baptisms 1813–1984, marriages 1813–1873, burials 1813-1986 and banns 1826-1862 and 1957–1959. Also, at Cardiff Central Library and NLW, are records of baptisms 1738–1812, marriages 1738-56 and 1765–1812, and burials 1738–1812. Bishops' Transcripts, for various periods, are also held at NLW.

The Moriah Welsh Independent Chapel, initially constructed in 1828 and later rebuilt in 1867, is characterized by its whitewashed stone construction and follows the vernacular architectural style. It is entered through a gabled porch and contains a platform pulpit dating from the late 19th century. The pulpit end of the chapel and the opposite side have two rectangular sash windows; each of these have late 19th-century coloured border glazing. Although the chapel remained in use as of 2001, it had ceased operations by 2010.

ROC Bunker
The village was the location for a small Royal Observer Corps Monitoring Bunker between 1961 and 1968, It remains mostly intact.

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User talk:SIMON ADEBISI

Ronan o'meara, etc.
Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you were just trying to experiment, then use the sandbox instead. Thank you. Zoe 06:43, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

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I have nominated Phil Leotardo, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Phil Leotardo. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Eudemis (talk) 19:39, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cam Wilson

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Woohookitty 10:50, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Cam Wilson
A beautiful, humourous article about a unique human being! Why delete it, I mean shouldn't we encourage those who are willing to help society, no matter how small their deeds are? Please leave this article be, we need more wackiness, funniness on Wikipedia! Harris Johns

Total vanity. The article even says, "His work has...not greatly affected the world today as we know it...." I wish him great hardships in this world until he can write an article worth writing. I just can't stand vanity. --Blackcap | talk 06:45, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. - brenneman (t) (c)  06:53, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete UG.... claims he owns the internet LOL Ryan Norton T 07:19, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete This was speedied yesterday under the name Cameron Wilson. I think that we should block its re-creation too. --Apyule 07:32, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Del log shows Fvw deleted Cameron Wilson yesterday for "vanity, no assertion of notability". I think that was a SD; if so, CSD G4 does not apply to this page. Regards— Encephalon |  ζ   08:50:21, 2005-09-01 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as recreation of previously deleted content. Proto t c 10:03, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * only applies if the deleted page was deleted as a result of a VfD, not SD. Unfortunately. Tonywalton | Talk
 * So you're saying that if an article is deleted under A7, and it's recreated, it can't be speedy deleted without coming to AfD? Zoe 19:41, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Basically, yes. Encephalon provided a useful conversation about this on his talk page below. Hope that clears things up; I found it helpful, anyway. --Blackcap | talk 19:57, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

 * WP:CSD G4 ("A substantially identical copy, by any title, of a page that was deleted according to the deletion policy.") says:  This does not apply to content in userspace, content that was speedily deleted, or to content undeleted according to undeletion policy. If the previous deletion was a speedy (under any criterion, not just A7), it gets at least one more shot. Or even more - it could be speedied over and over again. However if it's reposted after a VfD voted "delete", then it merits a db-repost tag under CSD G4 and a deletedcontent tag on the deleted page to stop it being recreated.. What happens if, as seems likely with this article, it gets speedied due to an overwhelming consensus to speedy prior to the VfD period being up is worrying; does that count as a speedy (so db-repost doesn't apply) or a VfD delete (so db-repost does apply)? Tonywalton | Talk 20:02, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Tony, I don't think this is quite the right place to have a long discussion on CSD etc, and you're welcome to post on this Talk page, my Talk page or yours; I'll just comment here that I don't think this idea is correct: If the previous deletion was a speedy (under any criterion, not just A7), it gets at least one more shot. Or even more - it could be speedied over and over again. I'm posting some thoughts on this particular AfD's talk page.— Encephalon |  ζ   21:19:00, 2005-09-01 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I'd typed my stuff in then got edit-conflicted before I had a chance to read yours. I don't think we're disagreeing on the general "Make the Cam Wilson articles go away" principle, though! Tonywalton | Talk 23:27, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, we most certainly agree on that. My only concern here is with the careful use of CSD; if improperly used it will simply prolong the deletion of vanity/inappropriate articles from WP, as these will likely be targetted for undelete/re-AfD campaigns, purely for "process" reasons. That's not necessarily a bad thing — it's important to protect the integrity of WP's policies such as they are — but I think all of us can agree it's better to be careful with the rules in the first place and avoid such situations.— Encephalon |  ζ   04:35:09, 2005-09-02 (UTC)
 * So we agree that this could be given nn-bio (A7) a second time, but not deleted as reproduced (G4)? brenneman (t) (c)  04:47, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi Aaron. No, we all agree that inappropriate articles (such as vanity articles) should be deleted in accordance with WP policies. Where we disagree is that I don't believe that it can be done in this case under CSD, while some editors (all of whom I have great respect for) do. Will comment overleaf on the Talk page.— Encephalon |  ζ   04:58:31, 2005-09-02 (UTC)

 * Merge Seems like an important person. He represents a new generation. Lapinmies 09:58, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm having a few problems with your vote, esp. How is he important? and Which generation does he represent? Can you please clear this up.  --Apyule 16:52, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with what? --Blackcap | talk 17:30, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

 * Transwiki since he seems to be under the impression that he belongs in a dictionary. Failing that, Delete. Tonywalton | Talk 12:55, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Vanity DV8 2XL 13:08, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete. Cam should go out and find some friends. Ground Zero | t 13:42, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * He worries me: Cameron has often talked about how he was affected in his childhood by two events, the death of his maltese - shitzyu dog, named Toby, and the loss of his friend Nicholas Meyer in car crash. In that order. Tonywalton  | Talk

 * Keep: He's a sad little ***************** isn't he.  perhaps if we left his feeble article alone for a while, he'd get bored and go away.  At which point it could be quietly deleted once and for all. 212.101.64.4 15:15, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Why should we do that when we can delete it now? --Blackcap | talk 17:31, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * because if you delete it now, he'll just create it again,  and get a kick out of how he's pissing everybody off.  if you ignore it,  perhaps he'll get bored and go away sooner. 212.101.64.4 07:19, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete Admits lack of notability. 65.5.74.2 16:17, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete — Eoghanacht  talk 18:55, 2005 September 1 (UTC)
 * As per comments below about speedy delete being inappropriate, I change my vote to Quickly Delete. — Eoghanacht  talk 20:11, 2005 September 1 (UTC)

 * Comment I've put up the template as there are so many speedy delete votes. --Blackcap | talk 19:07, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. I have removed the SD tag, Blackcap. I appreciate your desire to help clear the AfD candidates, but this article cannot be speedied, as Tonywalton and I mention above. For a short discussion, see this. Cheers— Encephalon |  ζ   19:21:44, 2005-09-01 (UTC)
 * Comment Got it. Sorry about that, I wasn't paying enough attention. --Blackcap | talk 19:23, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, not at all. Best— Encephalon |  ζ   19:26:56, 2005-09-01 (UTC)
 * Well, it could be speedied again as sad vanity cruft, but I'd like it to merit CSD I4, as I said to Zoë above Tonywalton | Talk 20:02, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. Having now read that link of Encephalon's I'm still not convinced this couldn't be speedied 5000 times as vanity; the fact it was vanity 4999 times previously doesn't change the 5000th. However I don't think Encephalon would disagree that G4 would stop it being recreated. Ever. Tonywalton | Talk 20:08, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as soon as possible. Hall Monitor 20:35, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy. And protect against recreation, and warn the author. -Splash 01:27, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. something is seriously amiss if, as asserted above, this article cannot be speedied.  Dottore So 01:51, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * There's not because it can could be. It still could qualify under "vanity", just not under "repost".  -  brenneman (t) (c)  02:16, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Deletion policies are all well and good, but let's make sure that we still use common sense here. --Apyule 02:35, 2 September 2005 (UTC) I agree.— Encephalon |  ζ   04:35:09, 2005-09-02 (UTC)
 * As I have been told at my office: If you have a policy, you don't need common sense. The scary part was that she was dead serious when she said it. — Eoghanacht  talk 12:25, 2005 September 2 (UTC)

 * Lol. I'm going to steal that quote! :)— Encephalon |  ζ   12:42:15, 2005-09-02 (UTC)
 * Comment since this article claims its notable it is not speedable Ryan Norton T 04:51, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * So all of those articles I delete which say "xxx is the greatest lover the world has ever known" can't be speedied? Nonsense.  Zoe 18:42, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * You're right, Zoe, but it can't be speedied under WP:CSD A7, your example would have to be speedied under A1. Since it asserts its own notability, it can't go under A7. --Blackcap | talk 21:10, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've thought about this a bit more, and figured that it could also be speedied as vandalism. --Blackcap | talk 21:20, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * Please use Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion for general discussion of repeat speedy implications. - brenneman (t) (c)  13:59, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: Cameron Wilson was deleted so doesn't it make sense that this should be deleted? - x42bn6   Talk  01:26, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong delete, obvious vanity. The existence of a "Why Cam Wilson is notable" section is a sure sign of misunderstanding the notability criteria. — J I P | Talk 10:57, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: his website is shoddy to the extreme. It consists of "Hello. I own the Internet", a picture that can't be found, and three dead links. That's all. — J I P | Talk 10:57, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Whenever this happens, it will not be a moment too soon. -Splash 14:26, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, vanity. Nandesuka 22:20, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Following votes/comments by 220.237.16.196

 * Stop flaming him just cause he's submitted an original, wacky, zany piece of work! We need more humour in this world. Please?
 * 'No Delete' I think Cam Wilson's funny, leave his article be! Janis
 * I believe this is a beautiful, humourous article about a unique person. They may not have changed the face of the world, but as a user enyclopedia, should we not encourage celebration of diversity personified in this wacky but obviously passioniate person? Do not delete!
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Belrose, New South Wales

Belrose is a suburb of Sydney in the state of New South Wales, Australia 19 kilometres north-east of the Sydney central business district in the local government area of Northern Beaches Council. Belrose is also considered to be part of the Forest District, colloquially known as The Forest.

History
Belrose Post Office opened on 4 September 1923 and closed in 1986. Belrose West Post Office opened on 1 July 1969.

The name 'Belrose' is said to be derived from the combination of two plant names – the Christmas Bell and the bush rose, which were predominant in the area.

Demographics
According to the 2016 census of Population, there were 8,780 residents in Belrose. 67.9% of people were born in Australia. The next most common countries of birth were England 7.4%, South Africa 2.4%, China 1.8% and New Zealand 1.8%. 79.4% of people only spoke English at home. Other languages spoken at home included Armenian 3.2% and Mandarin 1.9%. The most common responses for religious affiliation were No Religion 26.3%, Catholic 22.7% and Anglican 21.4%.

Commercial area
Belrose is primarily a residential area, but contains the Austlink Business Park, two shopping centres including Glenrose Village Shopping Centre (formerly Stockland Glenrose). Belrose also has Glen St theatre, and Belrose library.

There is also a Homemakers Supacenta with over 35 shops including established retailers such as Harvey Norman, Nick Scali Furniture, and JB Hi-Fi. Adjacent to the Supacenta in the Northern side of the suburb, there is also a Bunnings Warehouse store. This region is collectively identified as the Belrose business park.

Optus satellite communications facility is located in Belrose, where Optus manages its five satellites currently in orbit.

Schools
Belrose is home to a number of schools:
 * Belrose Public School
 * Wakehurst Public School
 * Covenant Christian School
 * Kamaroi Rudolf Steiner School
 * John Colet School
 * Yanginanook School
 * Kambora public school (Davidson)

Parks, sport and recreation
Garigal National Park and Ku-ring-gai Chase National Park are on the northern border.

Playing fields in Belrose include the Lionel Watts Oval, a sporting ground for children, and Frenchs Forest Showground, both on the border with Frenchs Forest.

BTH Raiders is the local soccer club, encompassing Belrose and Terrey Hills. The main oval is Wyatt Oval, but BTH also uses Terrey Hills ovals. More than 900 players are in the local club and it has a vibrant over-35 competition.

The Belrose Eagles are a local rugby league team who play at Lionel Watts Reserve. They play in the Manly-Warringah District Rugby League.

Belrose is home to at least two sets of Tennis courts including; The Belrose Tennis club and Wyatt Reserve tennis courts.

Belrose is also home to the Belrose Bowling club.

Manly-Warringah Radio Society using callsign VK2MB is the local club for Amateur Radio Operators & services the Belrose area, with club rooms nearby at neighbouring Terrey Hills.

Notable residents

 * Paul Hogan, comedian and actor, star of movie "Crocodile Dundee" (former resident)
 * INXS
 * Jason King, rugby league player, Manly Warringah Sea Eagles prop, former Belrose Eagles junior.
 * Lucas Neill, Socceroos Captain, played for the local club, Wakehurst in his youth
 * Geoff Toovey, former professional rugby league footballer, Manly Warringah Sea Eagles legend & former head coach, former Belrose Eagles junior.
 * Kieran Foran, professional rugby league footballer who currently plays for the Gold Coast Titans.
 * David Oldfield, Former Politician, One Nation co-founder.

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Abergwydol

Abergwydol is a village in the Welsh principal area of Powys located on the A489 road between Cemmaes Road and Penegoes. It is part of the community of Cadfarch.

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Abergwynfi

Abergwynfi is a village in the Welsh county borough of Neath Port Talbot, in the community of Gwynfi and Croeserw.

Abergwynfi is the first half of a village of two parts, the other being Blaengwynfi. The names of the two villages mean "Mouth of the Gwynfi" and "Source of the Gwynfi" respectively, the Gwynfi being the (rather short) river that separates the two. The two villages were mainly built between 1892 and 1893, following the construction of the Swansea Bay Railway.

Aber and Blaengwynfi are generally referred to as "The Cape" by residents of the two villages and the neighbouring few. This term comes from when the villages were marketed as "The Cape of Good Hope" during the years when coal mining was very important to the valleys. Abergwynfi is located within the Afan Forest Park, which is a popular mountain bike centre. It is northeast of the Afan Vally, and is surrounded by forested hills and farmland.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Ebb and Flow

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Woohookitty 10:52, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

The Ebb and Flow
Doesn't WP:MUSIC. --fvw *  06:48, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Not to mention being generally crummy. --Blackcap | talk 06:49, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete bandity Ryan Norton T 07:17, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep it obeys the requirements listed here -WP:MUSIC --for example: national tour and national press. why not? crummy is just a matter of opinion, isn't there a page for John Tesh -- Zhukovsky
 * Keep. I did another google and found several critiques of their work (even here in the Netherlands) and their site lists national performances. So it appears they clear at least a few MUSIC guidelines. - Mgm|(talk) 08:20, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * I see some blog posts, but no Has been prominently featured in any major music media. --fvw *  08:30, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, this article is crumminess incarnate. At best it should be totally rewritten, but it currently smacks of vanity (even if they are on the way to notability). Peeper 12:49, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Vanity DV8 2XL 13:09, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * HOW ---> DELETE nn fails WP:LMUSIC Roodog2k 14:05, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * DELETE I don't care, this is a waste of time. I wrote it, please just delete the page. you people are crummy if anything.Thanks!-- Zhukovsky
 * Delete Non-notable. Amren (talk) 16:46, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as meeting WP:music and clean up because it is currently a very poor standard article. Capitalistroadster 19:16, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * How does it meet WP:MUSIC? --Blackcap | talk 19:33, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * National tour and release of at least two albums. Thanks to The Midnighters for the rewrite. Capitalistroadster 01:55, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - ..ehh! UniReb 21:17, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, a pretty good Allmusic page which states they recently embarked on a national tour (satisfying WP:MUSIC). Doesn't read like vanity, I'll rewrite it for now so it has a better chance. --TheMidnighters 22:50, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn. Dottore So 01:53, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Well it's notable enough for Allmusic to write a bio. --TheMidnighters 02:44, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep Midnighter's rewrite. Appears to pass WP:MUSIC. Sjakkalle (Check!)  06:29, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, nnn.  —RaD Man (talk) 06:46, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Flandrin

Flandrin is a French surname. Notable people with the surname include a family of 19th and 20th-century painters:

 * Jean-Hippolyte Flandrin (1809–1864), French painter, the best-known of the family
 * Paul Flandrin (1811–1902), painter, brother of Jean-Hippolyte
 * Marthe Flandrin (1904–1987), painter and mosaicist, daughter of the architect Joseph Flandrin (1857–1939), son of Paul
 * Jules Flandrin (1871–1947), painter

The Flandrins are not to be confused with:
 * Eugène Flandin (1809–1889), also a French painter
 * Marcelin Flandrin, a French photographer

title: Flandrin