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Beat Happening (album)

Beat Happening is the debut album of the American rock band Beat Happening that was released in November 1985 through K Records. After the end of their previous band, guitarist Calvin Johnson and drummer Heather Lewis formed Beat Happening, and guitarist Bret Lunsford joined them soon after. Between November 1983 and February 1985, the band recorded several tracks that appeared on different versions of their debut album. Greg Sage of the Wipers produced two of the recording sessions, which occurred at the studios The Firehouse and Yoyo, both of which are in Olympia, Washington. Other tracks were recorded at Johnson's residence at the Martin Apartments and with friend Pat Maley in a recital hall at Evergreen State College.

The album has been described as indie pop and jangle pop, and was compared to the work of the Cramps with its simplistic guitar work. The artwork for Beat Happening has a basic design and was used on gig flyers Johnson printed. Photographs of the band for the album sleeve were taken at Capitol Lake, Olympia. In 1984 and 1985, before the album's release, the band issued two cassettes of songs from the album's sessions. Johnson and company personally sold copies of the vinyl LP to record stores while traveling across the Unites States. With the help of journalist Jerry Thackray, Rough Trade Records issued Beat Happening in late 1986.

Beat Happening was met with positive reviews; contemporaneous critics praised the songwriting and retrospective reviews focused on the album's production. Melody Maker included Beat Happening in its list of the best 30 releases from the year. Tracks from all of the album's recording sessions are included on the compilation album 1983–85. Beat Happening has been issued several times, alone and as part of box sets. Musicians including Ian MacKaye and Phil Elverum of Mount Eerie have expressed admiration for the album; and artists including Ben Gibbard, Scrawl, and Seaweed have covered tracks from it.

Background
In early 1983, vocalist and guitarist Calvin Johnson, and drummer Heather Lewis performed with guitarist Laura Carter as Laura, Heather and Calvin. Johnson and Lewis had met the year before at a college party where Lewis's band The Supreme Cool Beings were playing. After seeing them perform, guitarist Bret Lunsford booked Laura, Heather and Calvin for a show in Anacortes, Washington. By the time of the gig, Carter had moved to Olympia, Washington, and Laura, Heather and Calvin had stopped playing together. Consequently, Lunsford was brought in to play alongside Johnson and Lewis. It was the first occasion all members of Beat Happening were onstage together.

Johnson invited Lunsford to join the band, saying "We should call it Beat Happening and we should go to Japan". He explained that Japan was "the last place on earth where it's still cool to be American", and that this would make it easy to "become teen idols ovenight". Lunsford said he would only join if they made the trip to Japan. In September 1983, Lewis relocated to Seattle, Washington, and Lunsford moved to Olympia. Beat Happening had minor local success when one of their tracks appeared on a Sub Pop cassette compilation, and when they opened for the Wipers. Around this time, Wipers' frontman Greg Sage visited Johnson at his home in the Ray Apartments in Olympia; Sage showed Johnson newly-written Wipers songs and said he was constructing his own recording facility in Portland, Oregon, and was scouting for acts to record there. Beat Happening was still newly formed so Johnson did not accept Sage's proposal to record the band.

Sessions
The ten tracks on the original release of Beat Happening came from a combination of several recording sessions, a live show, and a home boombox recording.

1983 recordings
In November 1983 at the Ray Apartments, Beat Happening recorded their song "Fourteen", their first recording. The following month, the band decided they had enough rehearsed material to record and contacted Sage about his recording offer. Sage was still building his studio but said he would visit Olympia to record them there. At Olympia's Evergreen State College, students were permitted to use a former firehouse for band rehearsals to prevent noise in dorms. Beat Happening's first sessions with Sage occurred in the firehouse. They were assisted by Bradley Sweek, frontman of the Young Pioneers, who also used the rehearsal space, and had become friends with Johnson and Sage.

Sage had a reputation for helping to record acts without wanting any money in return. He was supportive of Beat Happening's experimentation, having worked similarly with the Wipers' on Youth of America (1981). On December 11, 1983, Beat Happening recorded "Down at the Sea", "I Love You", "Our Secret" and "What's Important". They followed this with a live performance of "Run Down the Stairs" for campus radio station KAOS.

Shure SM57 microphones were used to record the guitar and drums as they were played live. Sage used a Neumann tube microphone to record the vocals on reel-to-reel tape using a four-track machine borrowed from another college student. While the band was sometimes unable to play a song all the way through, multi-tracking helped them overcome their lack of technique. While recording "Our Secret", Johnson watched Lewis and Lunsford record their parts, and gestured to them to stop when he felt there was enough to sing over. When Johnson tried to record his vocals, the tape ran out partway through, ending the session and leaving out two verses from the final recording.

1984 and 1985 recordings
In January 1984, Sweek organized an event called "Olympia Goes to Portland" at Portland venue 13th Precinct. The lineup featured Young Pioneers, Beat Happening and Rich Jensen. Jensen, who was known as a documentarian of the local community, used a Panasonic recorder to record Beat Happening playing "Bad Seeds". When they were in Japan, Beat happening recorded the tracks "Don't Mix the Colors", "The Fall", "Honey Pot", "In My Memory" and "Youth" using superior boombox models that were unavailable in the US.

In November 1984, Evergreen alumnus Pat Maley re-recorded Beat Happening performing "Fourteen". He borrowed equipment for the session using a media loan, and moved the gear from the college's library to a recital hall on campus. Maley used a reel-to-reel tape recorder and dubbed the track on to a cassette. He lost the master reel before he was able to edit the recording, meaning the version on the finished album has been equalized for balance but has not been fully mixed.

The same month, another five tracks were recorded in sessions at Maley's Yoyo Studio, which was located in a chicken-coop-turned-communal housing building in Olympia. These tracks comprised the first side of the original LP release of Beat Happening LP; the fact the tracks were recording together means they have a consistent production tone. Maley invited Beat Happening to record at his studio after being impressed with Johnson's music knowledge at an audio class Maley started teaching at Yoyo. Maley preferred psychedelic music but enjoyed "strange music" enough to want to work with Beat Happening.

Maley was displeased when the band arrived with Sage, having been under the impression he would be in charge of producing and engineering the session at his studio. The session used a TASCAM 38, eight-track recorder running half-inch tape and a TASCAM mixing board with eight output slots and twelve inputs. Digital reverb which is heard most prominently on the finger snapping on "Bad Seeds", was used. Lewis performed vocals on "Foggy Eyes", "I Let Him Get to Me" and "Run Down the Stairs"; and Johnson sang vocals on "Bad Seeds" and "I Spy". On February 13, 1985, the record's final track "In Love with You Thing" was recorded in Johnson's room at the Martin Apartments complex in Olympia using a portable cassette recorder.

Composition and lyrics
AllMusic reviewer Nitsuh Abebe described the sound of Beat Happening as "indie pop in its purest form: fuzzy bedroom recordings of simplistic, cutesy songs, with intentionally innocent and juvenile lyrics, which Calvin Johnson belts out with one of the most endearingly bad voices in music history". Pitchfork contributor Quinn Moreland commented the album's material switches between "barely-there lo-fi ballads and ’60s jangle-pop ditties".

In Bryan Parker's book 33 1/3 about the album, he compared it to the works of The Cramps, a band Johnson cited as an influence. Parker said while The Cramps "embrace a more overt darkness and sexuality in their sinister psychobilly songs, Beat Happening frequently traffics in double-entendres, and both bands thrive on simple, distorted guitar lines", He also said the sequencing of side one "embodies an Olympian egalitarianism"; Johnson and Lewis alternate as lead vocalist on the tracks.

Lewis said of Johnson's lyrics: "Things are articulated in these unusual and creative ways. They're layered, and it can be interpreted in different ways. My songs are much more like the open wound. He's more guarded. I'm more spilling out." According to her, on her tracks, "My emotions are right there on my sleeve".

Songs on the original LP
The album's opening track "Foggy Eyes" opens with Johnson counting for the guitar and drums to come in. Parker thought it was the first track because it "unsurprisingly ... showcases the band at its most mature to date". According to Parker, after 20 seconds, Beat Happening distinctly "delineate their practice of challenging conventions and reevaluating the world" in the lyrics, and continue this sentiment in "Bad Seeds". Parker said of the tracks from the second session with Sage, "Bad Seeds" has the "fullest instrumentation", and noted it is the sole track on the album to include cymbals. Bongos, performed by Maley, can be heard on the song but are drowned out by the cymbal and tom hits. On "I Spy", Johnson's voice evokes those of musicians Lee Hazlewood and Scott Walker. Parker said between the music and the lyrics, the song comes across as a child's version of a theme song to a lesser-quality spy film. He said with the last line in the track, the average "listener might miss the indictment of conventional masculinity, those in-tune heard it loud and clear". Similarly, Michael Azerrad described it as seeming like a "corny espionage spoof" until its last line "hurl[s] a parting barb at machismo". Journalist and musician Alan Larsen of K Records act Some Velvet Sidewalk said the song's narrator laments typical masculine roles into which young males fit. Larsen said the lyrics spoke to him about being older and manhood, saying: "That was what culture was doing to you as a male. That was your archetype. I thought of that work as something that could talk to me about gender."

"I Spy" is bookended by "I Let Him Get to Me" and "Run Down the Stairs", tracks Parker felt highlighted the jangly guitar parts and consistent snare hits, with Lewis talking about relationships. In Parker's discussion of "In Love with You Thing", he said Johnson was drawing out the syllables of the lyrics, as if he was trying to think of the next lyric as it was happening. Parker then notes when each instrument is heard for the first time in the song, saying the drum sound heard "might not even be a drum. ... Then, suddenly, there is a beat happening. The band's name asserts the present and the ongoing." The lyrics deal with unrequited love, and the track almost a cappella during its verses; Parker highlighted one couplet of lyrics, "If I could touch those parted lips / Your swinging little hips just gotta be kissed", saying these lines exemplify the "suggestive sexuality Beat Happening would continue to use as a counterweight for their sugary sweet juvenilia" in later works.

In "Down at the Sea", described by Azerrad as a "Buddy Hollyesque romp", Lewis reminisces about a party on a beach. Parker commented on the varying sound quality on "Fourteen", saying the drums are placed low in the mix and the guitars sound thin, and called the track the "soundtrack of audacious experimentation", showcasing students trying to arrange a song. Maley said the tambura heard in the track was used to help keep time: "The thing that keeps time is the phase-shift sound in the tambura—that sort of wave had a certain timeframe that's very accurate". Because of his enthusiasm for psychedelic music, Maley proposed using the instrument. Parker said the instrument is an "odd choice, but indicates the band's willingness to let music unfold organically. Pat's interest in the tambura also informs an important bit inconspicuous divide between Olympia's youth in the early 80s." In the lyrics, Johnson has difficulty talking to his lover while the pair feed a pet rabbit, described by Azerrad as a juxtaposition of "childhood imagery with some seriously grown-up romantic alienation". According to Parker, the closing song, a live version of "Bad Seeds", "ambles through some rough spots, and the guitar's tuning is noticeably flat. Still, the live version is sneering and chaotic, full of punk rock ambition". Azerrad says its line "This time, let's do it right" is a pointed allusion to sixties counterculture.

Songs on other versions
Parker said "Our Secret" is a simplistic track that exemplifies Beat Happening's best aspects: "a tom-centered beat, a repetitive yet catchy guitar line, and Calvin's baritone vocals". According to Moreland, the song's lyrics describe "forbidden lovers [who] express their undying devotion over cups of tea". Parts of it allude to locations in Olympia, such as Smithfield Café and Capitol Lake. According to Parker, on the next few tracks, Japan becomes a character in audio samples and lyrics. "In My Memory" begins with a sample of a street vendor from Nakemeguro talking in Japanese until a guitar and hand-claps come in. In "The Fall" Johnson names individuals in his near surroundings, all of whom laugh in response, as shown in the lyrics: "Bye bye, Mari and Momoe / Bye bye, Takaaki and / Bye bye, Ai in America and / Bye bye Heather." Parker wrote the band use both the country and the room they were in to make an "artifact from the Japan trip that captures genuine fun with friends".

The lyrics of "Youth" also refer to the band's time in Japan and their mindset while organizing the trip. "Don't Mix the Colors" concludes with a clip of the subway system in Tokyo and a voice in Japanese. According to Parker, "Christmas" is the "most overt confrontation of sex" in Beat Happening's catalog. A clicking sound can be heard throughout the track as Johnson gives a bleak description of the act. Parker said the track's appeal is due to the contrast between "Christmas joy and the depression of dysfunctional sex". In "Look Around", Moreland said Johnson looks at a woman "before deciding to 'come between her thighs.

Cover artwork
The artwork for Beat Happening is a basic illustration of a kitten riding in a rocket ship on a yellow background. Parker wrote this "subtly embodied the band's influential sensibilities. Childishly adorable, the drawing induces an unavoidable smile from anyone who might find it in a record shelf." Parker also said the artwork is "so rudimentary, it almost begs to be added onto—maybe a few stars or a planet in the distance. Very likely, the band wouldn't mind at all." Moreland said the depiction implies the songs on the album are similarly childish. Several flyers for the band's gigs included the cat illustration, which Johnson had drawn; In one version, the cat is flying on a broom, and another version depicts a cat's face on a container. The final artwork for the album was initially printed on a gig flyer for the Tropicana Club; the bright, yellow background was one of the choices available at the print shop Johnson used. According to Parker, this "bright, primary color fit[s] Beat Happening's aesthetic perfectly", and that the ultimate choice is "also ingenious, since the vibrant color worked to attract attention". Azerrad described the shade as being K's "trademark" yellow, with the kitten representing punk ideals of inclusion.

The album's back cover includes a black-and-white photograph of the band members and their first names below. Lunsford said this linked with Johnson's "minimalist vision" for the band's presentation. The photograph was taken at Budd Inlet, an area of Puget Sound located north of the 4th Avenue bridge, which spans the downtown area of Olympia to its west side. The back over also includes photographs taken on a beach under a boardwalk around Capitol Lake, one of Johnson and Lewis on a sidewalk, one of Lewis on a beach, and one of Lunsford outside the Capitol Theater in Olympia. Parker said the members "peer out at the listener from the album cover and present themselves without affectation". The Rough Trade edition has an insert with two additional images of the band members, which were taken by the band's friend Julie Fay. They document one of the band's earliest shows at Smithfield Café; Jensen is depicted holding a microphone for Lewis, who is next to him on guitar, followed by Johnson on guitar and Lunsford behind the drums. Parker said the innocence of the artwork displays Beat Happening's "music and characterizes its creator, the community in which they live, and the principles by which they act".

Pre-release and initial promotion
The four songs the band recorded with Sage during the December 1983 session and the live version of "Run Down the Stairs" were released on Beat Happening's 1984 debut, eponymous, cassette Extended Play (EP), which was limited to 100 copies. The same year, "Our Secret" and "What's Important" were released as the band's debut single. Beat Happening traveled to Japan, despite having no shows scheduled there. Johnson booked the trip through the Independent Living Contract at Evergreen as a school credit, planning to spend his time there writing for a zine. The band explored Tokyo with the hopes of booking a show; they played at Yoyogi Park, a public space where rock bands played on Sundays. They also performed and after-hours show at a high school in the area. The band were then able to secure shows at local clubs, though were forced to sell the tickets themselves. When they returned to the US, the tracks that were recorded in japan using boomboxes were released as the cassette EP Three Tea Breakfast.

Between the opening and closure of the Tropicana club from February 1984 to January 1985, Beat Happening played there between six and ten times. Parker said the venue provided a space for the band's early repertoire and built up publicity before their debut album was released. Beat Happening was released in November 1985 through K Records; it was originally planned as a cassette but was released as an LP record. K-Disc mastered the album and cut the lacquers needed to press it, which was done by Bill Smith Custom Records, and Stoughton Printing made the cardboard jackets. Johnson sequenced the album's track listing; Maley said he was enthusiastic when he learned each side lasted under ten minutes. Because K-Disc's services charged more for albums with long runtimes, Johnson saved money. Publicity surrounding the album meant the band were able to sell around 300 records of the initial 700-print run to members of the local community, such as family and friends.

Johnson's brother Streator said he had sold several copies after demanding his friends buy them. Despite lacking national distribution, the band exhausted the local area, leaving Johnson with over half of the remaining stock. In December 1985, Johnson took them with him on a trip to visit his mother in Maryland. Johnson, who was accompanied by Streator and Fay, visited record shops en route and offered them copies of the album. Johnson said some stores purchased the album, though not all of them did, despite many being receptive to his proposal. He said some stores wanted to listen to the album first because few were aware of the band through their single. Parker wrote some shops tried persuading Johnson to offer the album on consignment, "meaning that if he wanted to get paid, he'd have to keep tabs on the store and come back for reimbursement if the albums sold. 'No way,' Calvin would say in these instances." According to Parker, Johnson then informed the stores he was in the area for a single day and to "take or leave it". The majority of these instances happened in January 1986 when they were returning to Olympia. Streator remained on the East Coast, leaving Fay and Johnson by themselves. Fay said in addition to record shops, they tried radio stations, venues, and press outlets such as magazines and fanzine operators.

Rough Trade and later editions

Johnson described early 1986 as "an emotional time" for him. He said "I had put out this record [and it] was kind of not doing anything. Nobody had bought the record. I was trying to do K and nobody seemed to really care about it".

During this period, Johnson became associates with David Nichols, who had written to him after learning about K Records. Johnson had also written to Nichols around the same time after reading about him. Nichols took copies of Beat Happening to the UK after visiting Johnson and showed them to Jerry Thackray, a journalist for British music publications Melody Maker and NME of whom Nichols was aware through his zine The Legend!. Thackray played Beat Happening to staff at Rough Trade Records, who reacted to it positively. Label founder Geoff Travis contacted Johnson, who knew of Travis from producing The Raincoats, saying he was interested in releasing the album through Rough Trade. Johnson then sent Travis the "Our Secret" single, and at Travis's suggestion, both of the single's tracks were added to the Rough Trade version. The inclusion of previously issued singles on the following album was common practice but the original K Records version of Beat Happening did not do this. Leading up to the release of the Rough Trade version in Europe, Thackray began writing in the press about his admiration for the album. Thackray gave a considerable amount of space to Beat Happening in The Legend! and wrote about them for a June 1986 issue of NME.

According to Azerrad, Rough Trade never gave Beat Happening the "first class" treatment given to some of the label's bigger bands like The Smiths. Nonetheless, the release boosted the band's spirits and exposed them to like-minded British groups like the Vaselines, Teenage Fanclub and the Pastels.

Later the same year, when Beat Happening needed transport for a tour because none of them owned a car, they hired drive-away cars. Lunsford said: You go to a drive-away place. You have to have everyone who is a driver be 21 and over. You're delivering a car from one location to another, and you have so many days to do that. So, if you do a lot of driving, you have time to stay the night and play a show. Because they can only require you to drive 8 hours a day." When Lewis temporarily relocated to Los Angeles, California, Beat Happening needed a touring drummer and engaged Lunsford's girlfriend Crowe, who did not know how to play drums until shortly before, when she and Lunsford practiced until she could for the brief cross-country tour. The Rough Trade edition of Beat Happening was released in November 1986; "Our Secret" and "What's Important" were placed between "Down at the Sea" and "Fourteen". Positive press from British publications gave the band more publicity and allowed Johnson to make connections in a different part of the world. Journalist Bruce Pavitt wrote about the self-titled album in his column Sub/Pop for the music magazine The Rocket. In the December edition of his column, Pavitt wrote enthusiastically about both Johnson's work mindset and multiple K Records releases.

In 1990, K Records and Feel Good All Over jointly released a compilation album titled 1983–85, which includes 27 tracks from all of the album's recording sessions. K Records used an abridged, 23-song track listing of this edition for its 1996 vinyl re-press of Beat Happening. This version was released on compact disc (CD) as part of the box set Crashing Through (2002), and it was released on vinyl as part of the Domino Recording Company's box set We Are Beat Happening (2019). "Our Secret", "Foggy Eyes", "Bad Seeds", "What's Important" and "Look Around" were included on the compilation Look Around (2015), which Domino also issued. Live versions of "I Love You", "Foggy Eyes", "What's Important", "I Spy" and "Bad Seeds" recorded in Japan in May 1984 were issued as the EP Live in Japan (1998).

Reception
Contemporaneous reviews of Beat Happening praised the songwriting. Pavitt wrote about the album in his February 1986 column for The Rocket, saying the release has "more character, more genuine personality, than anything I've heard all month". He added Johnson "swings his hips with an awkward deep baritone" before switching with Lewis for her songs, and summarized the band as a "positive force; sincere and willing to take risks, they show that it's just as radical to openly like someone as it is brutalize and degrade them through cheap sensationalism. Great record!" Journalist Simon Reynolds, writing in the November 15, 1986, issue of Melody Maker, discussed aspects of the album's importance, saying: "There's a delicate poise between pastiche and underlying seriousness here, that's delicious, almost camp". Reynolds also praised Beat Happening for having removed the "misogynist insolence" from their music and "reanimated [the songs] with a proto-feminist tenderness".

Retrospective reviews focused on the album's production. Author Dave Thompson, in his book Alternative Rock (2000), wrote the band's mission was to create "records which retained the freshness of the ideas that spawned the songs in the first place. This lack of complication and contrivance would remain Beat Happening's touchstone for the remainder of their career." Moreland called the album "a declaration of their undefined, instinctive, and fearless nature", while Ira Robbins of Trouser Press said it is a "fresh breeze of one-take pop ingenuity" complete with tracks that are "remorselessly amateurish but loaded with charm and invention". Abebe said while the band's subsequent releases show a marked improvement in song and production quality, their self-titled album is "as twee and charming as this type of music can get". Parker said the Sage-produced tracks on side one "sound tighter and cleaner" than the other songs he worked on.

Melody Maker ranked Beat happening at number 27 on its list of the year's 30 best albums, calling it "an unexpected masterpiece". Spin included Beat Happening on its list of 80 important albums from the 1980s. Thompson noted the 1983–85 version is "draining, but complete". Reviewing the same version, Jason Ankeny of AllMusic said the album's audio quality is "often poor, but the kinetic energy of the early sessions is palpable, and the wide-eyed charm of gems ... is undeniable". Musicians Ian MacKaye and Phil Elverum of Mount Eerie have expressed admiration for the album; MacKaye said it "seemed so rudimentary. But also it has traction. Once you hear it, you know what it is." Covers of "Our Secret", "Bad Seeds", "Foggy Eyes" and "Youth" by Leaky Chipmunk, Scrawl, Seaweed and Fish & Roses, respectively, are included on the tribute album Fortune Cookie Prize: A Tribute to Beat Happening (1992). Additional covers have been released; "Our Secret" by The Postal Service, "Bad Seeds" by Barcelona Pavilion, and others by Ben Gibbard and Teenage Fanclub.

Track listing
All songs written by Calvin Johnson, Bret Lunsford and Heather Lewis.

Personnel
Adapted from original LP liner notes.

 * Calvin Johnson – guitar, vocals
 * Heather Lewis – drums, guitar, vocals
 * Bret Lunsford – guitar, drums
 * Greg Sage – producer
 * Pat Maley – producer, bongos on "Bad Seeds"

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The Narrow Way

"The Narrow Way" is the third suite on the studio half of Pink Floyd's fourth album Ummagumma. It is a three-part song written and performed entirely by David Gilmour, using multiple overdubs to play all the instruments himself.

Different parts
Part One (3:27)

Part one of the song was called "Baby Blue Shuffle in D Major" when played by the band in a BBC broadcast on 2 December 1968; it also strongly resembles the tracks "Rain in the Country (take 1)" and "Unknown Song" recorded (but eventually not used) for the soundtrack of Michelangelo Antonioni's film Zabriskie Point in November/December 1969. This portion features layered acoustic guitar with some spacey effects overtop.

Part Two (2:53)

Part two features an electric guitar and percussion which modulate heavily at the end, forming a drone that leads into part three.

Part Three (5:57)

Part three of the song features Gilmour's only vocal contribution to the studio part of the album. This final part was incorporated into The Man and the Journey by the full band on their 1969 tour.

Personnel

 * David Gilmour – guitars, vocals, bass, piano, organ, mellotron, drums, percussion

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Get Your Number

"Get Your Number" is a song by American singer-songwriter Mariah Carey. It was written by Carey, Jermaine Dupri, Johntá Austin and Bryan-Michael Cox, and produced by the former two and LRoc. It was released on October 3, 2005 by Island Records, as the third international and fourth overall single from Carey's tenth studio album, The Emancipation of Mimi (2005). The song is built around a sample of "Just an Illusion" (1982) by British band Imagination. Due to the inclusion of the sample, several other writers are credited as songwriters. Lyrically, the song features the protagonist persistently asking for the phone number of an individual at a club.

The song received generally mixed reviews from music critics at the time of its release, with many both praising and criticizing the inclusion of the sample, as well as the song's production and lyrical content. "Get Your Number" was released as the third single throughout Europe, where it peaked within the top-ten in Finland, the Netherlands and the United Kingdom, where it was sold as a double A-side along with "Shake It Off". Similarly, the song found release in Australasia in early 2006, as the fifth single from the album, and peaked in the top-twenty in Australia, and at number thirty-four in New Zealand.

The single's music video was directed by Jake Nava, who also directed Carey's video for "Shake It Off". It was filmed in Los Angeles in September 2005, and features Jermaine Dupri as the video's secondary artist, while Michael Ealy plays Carey's love interest at the club. The main setting is a nightclub where Carey slips her phone number to a man, one digit at a time. Carey is shown in a variety of locations wearing, amongst other outfits, a yellow latex dress. Dupri makes a guest appearance as a man receiving the numbers of three girls in the club.

Composition
"Get Your Number" is a mid-tempo song lasting three minutes and fifteen seconds, while drawing influence from pop and R&B music genres. Written by Carey, Jermaine Dupri and Johntá Austin, and produced by the former two and LRoc, the song samples the hook from British band Imagination's "Just an Illusion" (1982), and derives its production from "‘80s-esque synthesizers" and several computerized musical instruments. Due to its sampling, additional writers such as John Phillips, Steve Jolley, Tony Swain, Ashley Ingram and Leee John are credited as songwriters. On "Get Your Number", Dupri performs several ad-libs and sings part of the chorus, earning him a place as a featured artist on the track. According to the sheet music published at Musicnotes.com by Alfred Music Publishing, the song is set in common time with a moderate tempo of 126 beats per minute.

The song is composed in the key of F ♯ minor, with Carey's vocal range spanning from the low-note of B3 to the high-note of A5. Aside from Dupri's verses, Carey's longtime background singer Trey Lorenz makes a notable impression on the song, and earned credits for providing background vocals. Lyrically, the song is written in a female perspective, where they ask the man for their number at a club. In an interview with MTV News, Carey jokingly addressed the lyrics, claiming Dupri "really wanted it to be coming from the girl, like 'can I get your number' to the guy. But in all honesty that would never be me!" Aside from her signature vocals, Carey adopts a breathy rap for parts of the song, which read "I got a pimp penthouse / With a sick hot tub / We can watch a flat screen / While the bubbles filling up." According to Jozen Cummings from PopMatters, the lyrics and Carey's vocal switch make the song "fun and comedic".

Critical reception
"Get Your Number" received generally mixed reviews from music critics, with many complimenting the song's inclusion of the "Just an Illusion" hook, however, drawing criticism at some of its lyrics, and Dupri's verses. The Guardian editor Caroline Sullivan outed "Stay the Night" and "Get Your Number" as "the first Mariah Carey tunes in years I wouldn't have to be paid to listen to again." Barry Walters from Rolling Stone complimented her vocal performance, writing "Carey's belabored voice finds a pleasurable medium", however criticizing the song's production. Jozen Cummings from PopMatters called Dupri's verses "annoying gangster twang", and described the song's production as "annoying". Stylus Magazine's Todd Burns called the duet "ill-advised" and wrote "Carey does all in her power to save from Jermaine Dupri’s machinations. It barely comes off, despite every attempt from Dupri to sound like Lil Jon and Pharrell along the way." Editor Sal Cinquemani writing for Slant Magazine branded "Get Your Number" a "Summer-anthem-in-the-make", while Michael Paoletta from Billboard described it as "bouncy and silly". Jim Abbott from the Orlando Sentinel described the track as a "sexy, slinky dance number", while a writer from Newsweek claimed it to be a song that "worked".

Commercial performance
"Get Your Number" was released throughout Europe and Asia as the third single from The Emancipation of Mimi in late 2005, and as the fifth single in Australasia in early 2006. In the United Kingdom, it was released as a double A-side along with "Shake It Off", the third single serviced to the United States at the same time. In Australia, "Get Your Number" entered the singles chart at number nineteen during the week dated March 12, 2006. Spending ten weeks fluctuating in the chart, it exited on May 14, 2006. On the Ö3 Austria Top 40, it peaked at number forty-one, although spending eleven weeks within the Austrian charts. In both the Flemish and Wallonian territories in Belgium, "Get Your Number" peaked at number twenty-five and eighteen, while spending fourteen and thirteen weeks in the charts, respectively. The song debuted at number five on Finland's Official List on October 12, 2005. The following week, it moved up two spots to its peak of number three, before exiting the chart two weeks later. On the Dutch Top 40, it made its debut at number ten on November 15, 2005, and spent a total of twelve weeks within the top 40 chart. In both New Zealand and Sweden, "Get Your Number" saw relatively low peaks, placing at numbers thirty-four and forty-nine, for only two and three weeks. In Switzerland, the song entered the Swiss Singles Chart at its peak of number fourteen, while spending twenty-one weeks in the chart until exiting on April 9, 2005. On the UK Singles Chart, the song debuted at number nine during the week of October 15, 2005. Dropping to number ten the following week, the song lasted a total of eight weeks in the singles chart before making its descent.

Music video
The single's music video was directed by Jake Nava, who also directed Carey's video for "Shake It Off". It was filmed in Los Angeles on September 1, 2, 12 and 13, 2005 and features Jermaine Dupri as the video's secondary artist, while Michael Ealy, plays Carey's love interest at the club. The original shoot was scheduled to finish on September 2, but shooting for several of Carey's scenes on the second day was delayed for several days due to her being ill.

The main setting is a nightclub where Carey slips her phone number to a man, one digit at a time. Carey is shown in a variety of locations wearing, amongst other outfits, a yellow latex dress. Dupri makes a guest appearance as a man receiving the numbers of three girls in the club. The video begins with shots of Carey as the star of a club, wearing a yellow latex mini and gold necklace. As the music plays, Carey is seen on a variety of large props, the first of which is a large red phone. As Dupri scouts the club for females, Carey in a different ensemble passes the number '5' to Ealy on a card, while making eye contact with him.

As other scenes of Carey in the latex mini and by the large red hone prop are interspersed, the club scene alters to a poker table, where Ealy reveals three of his card, '556', completing four of the seven digits of Carey phone number. The next scene finds Carey sitting on a large pink sofa in an empty room in the club, sporting only a white man's suit jacket and stilettos. As the song reaches the bridge, Carey is shown back in the club's main room dancing, as she leaves a number '4' on a nearby table for the man to find. As Carey once again is shown in the yellow latex dress, she walks down a small aisle, placing another card with the number '4' into Ealy's jacket pocket, before storming through the club by several followers. As the video ends, the number '555-6464' are shown lying on a small table, while Carey sits on the large pink sofa, and Ealy is seen on the other side gazing at her. The video concludes with Ealy slowly approaching Carey on the large sofa, as she winks and smiles to the camera.

Formats and track listings
Get Your Number / Shake It Off UK 2-track CD single
 * 1) "Get Your Number" – 3:18
 * 2) "Shake It Off" – 3:54

Get Your Number / Shake It Off European CD maxi-single
 * 1) "Get Your Number" – 3:18
 * 2) "Shake It Off" – 3:54
 * 3) "Secret Love" – 3:09

European 2-track CD single
 * 1) "Get Your Number" – 3:18
 * 2) "Shake It Off" (Remix feat. JAY-Z & Young Jeezy) – 5:03

DACH 2-track CD single
 * 1) "Get Your Number" (Album Version) – 3:15
 * 2) "We Belong Together" (Atlantic Soul Radio Edit) – 4:27

Australasian & European CD maxi-single
 * 1) "Get Your Number" – 3:16
 * 2) "We Belong Together" (Atlantic Soul Radio Edit) – 4:23
 * 3) "Secret Love" – 3:10
 * 4) "Get Your Number" (Video)

Credits and personnel
Credits are adapted from The Emancipation of Mimi liner notes.

 * Mariah Carey – songwriting, producer, vocals
 * Jermaine Dupri – songwriting, producer, vocals
 * Johntá Austin – songwriting
 * Ashley Ingram – songwriting
 * John Phillips – songwriting
 * Steve Jolley – songwriting
 * Tony Swain – songwriting
 * Phil Tan – audio mixing
 * Herb Power – mastering
 * Brian Frye – engineer
 * John Horesco – engineer
 * Trey Lorenz – background vocals

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Brian Emrich

Brian Emrich (born April 14, 1961) is a sound designer, composer, and musician. His sound design credits include the films π, Requiem for a Dream, One Hour Photo and Phone Booth. He records music under the moniker Psilonaut, and has collaborated with Foetus and Congo Norvell.

He was nominated at the Broadcast Critic Awards for his work on the film Black Swan.

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Thisbe Nissen

Thisbe Nissen is an American author. Originally from New York City, she lived in Iowa for eleven years. Among her works are Osprey Island, The Good People of New York, and Out of the Girls' Room and into the Night. She has taught a fiction course at least once a year since the inception of the Iowa Young Writers' Workshop, a two-week intensive creative writing workshop "camp" for talented high school students, except in 2006. She has also taught at the Iowa Writers' Workshop, Iowa Elderhostel.

Early life and education
Nissen is a graduate of Hunter College High School on Manhattan's Upper East Side. She attended Oberlin College, and received her Master of Fine Arts in Fiction from the Iowa Writers' Workshop at the University of Iowa, where she was a James Michener Fellow.

Career
In 2007, she taught at the 3rd Annual Writers in Paradise at Eckerd College. In the spring of 2007, she was back in New York to teach at Columbia. After finishing a story collection called How Other People Make Love, Nissen is at work on a novel, and on several collaged picture books for children. From the fall of 2007 to the spring of 2009, she taught fiction workshops at Brandeis University in Waltham, Massachusetts. In 2010, she began a tenure-line appointment in the English Department at Western Michigan University, where she joined Jaimy Gordon, William Olsen, Nancy Eimers, Steve Feffer, and Richard Katrovas in the Creative Writing Program. She's married to writer Jay Baron Nicorvo.

Works
Nissen's work has been published in Glimmer Train, Story, Story Quarterly, The Virginia Quarterly, Seventeen, Vogue, and Glamour. She is the author of the following books:

 * Out of the Girls' Room and Into the Night: a collection of short stories and winner of the 1999 John Simmons Short Fiction Award. Dealing with many familiar issues in an unfamiliar way, Ms. Nissen tackles young women (and men) dealing with eating disorders, death, infidelity, and love.
 * The Good People of New York: Nissen's first published novel (2001) is about the relationship between mother, Roz, and daughter, Miranda, as they travel through the hardships that life swings at them. Roz, a loud, confident Jewish woman living in New York, meets Edwin, a calm, quiet Nebraskan man at a party thrown by their mutual friend.  From there on, they fall in love, get married, have a child, and have marital troubles.
 * Osprey Island: this novel describes the weblike interrelations of an entire community, from the alcoholic Lance Squire, whose wife dies after falling asleep with a lit cigarette, to a romance between the resort owner's daughter Suzy Chizek and maintenance worker Roddy Jacobs.
 * The Ex-Boyfriend Cookbook: They Came, They Cooked, They Left (But We Ended Up With Some Great Recipes), is a cookbook co-written with author Erin Ergenbright.

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Full Circle (Boyz II Men album)

Full Circle is the sixth album by American R&B group Boyz II Men. It was released by Arista Records on July 23, 2002 in the United States. Their first project with the label, following their departure from Motown Records and the release of previous album Nathan Michael Shawn Wanya through Universal Records, it features the singles "The Color of Love", written by Babyface and "Relax Your Mind" featuring Faith Evans, Full Circle was the last Boyz II Men album to include bass singer Michael McCary.

Critical reception
Full Circle received positive reviews from critics. At Metacritic, which assigns a normalized rating out of 100 to reviews from mainstream critics, the album has an average score of 69 based on 14 reviews. Stephen Thomas Erlewine of AllMusic commented, "a little of the stilted, early-'80s funk-influenced hip-hop that marked modern soul, while offering a lot of adult contemporary balladry. Although the group doesn't delve too hard into funk, it still doesn't mesh particularly well together, especially since the material, while well-sung as ever, isn't particularly distinguished. That doesn't mean it's bad – the album is pleasant enough as it spins – but it's simply not that memorable, which is quite a disappointment after the very, very nice Nathan Michael Shawn Wanya."

Accolades
In February 2003, Boyz II Men were nominated for a Soul Train Music Award for R&B/Soul Album Group, Band or Duo for Full Circle.

Track listing
Sample credits
 * "Woman Don't Cry" contains replayed elements from "Lean On Me" (1972) as written and performed by Bill Withers.

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User:Jikayo~enwiki

 * My name is Qí Jiāyào in Mandarin Chinese or Ji-Cià Yo in Wu Chinese.

 * I was born in Shanghai, a coastal city in China.

 * I am now working in Shanghai, as an office staff.

 * I'm interested in linguistics, geography and movies.

which deals with my native language, Wu Chinese.
 * My website is at http://www.sinolect.org/,

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New York Road Runners

New York Road Runners (NYRR) is a non-profit running organization based in New York City whose mission is to help and inspire people through running. It was founded in 1958 by Ted Corbitt with 47 members and has since grown to a membership of more than 60,000. As of 2012, it was considered to be the premier running organization in the United States.

History
Following his establishment of the Road Runners Club of America in 1958, Ted Corbitt became the founding president of New York Road Runners later that year. Fred Lebow, co-founder of the New York City Marathon, served as president from 1972 to 1994. Under Lebow, other signature races, including the Mini 10K, 5th Avenue Mile, and Midnight Run, were established. Allan Steinfeld succeeded Lebow and was named technical director of the New York City Marathon, which he was credited with modernizing, in 1981.

In 2005, Mary Wittenberg succeeded Steinfeld as president and CEO of NYRR. She also became the first female director of the New York City Marathon.

Michael Capiraso succeeded Wittenberg in 2015. In 2020 Kerin Hempel succeeded Capiraso, and in 2022 Rob Simmelkjaer succeeded Hempel and is the current CEO of the organization. George Hirsch served as chair of the NYRR Board of Directors from 2004 to 2023 and is now the Board Chair Emeritus. In July 2023, Nnenna Lynch succeeded Hirsch and is the current Chair of the Board of Directors.

From 1981 through 2015, NYRR was headquartered on the Upper East Side on East 89th Street (also known as Fred Lebow Place), not far from Central Park. Upon the sale of that building, the organization announced a move to and creation of a Run Center near Columbus Circle the following year. Prior to 1981, it was based at the West Side YMCA.

Community
NYRR serves runners of all ages and abilities annually through races, community open runs, walks, training, virtual products, and other running-related programming. The organization's free youth programs and events serve kids in New York City's five boroughs and across the country.

Abebe Bikila Award
The club gives out the annual Abebe Bikila Award in recognition of individuals who have contributed to the sport of running. First awarded in 1978 and named in honor of Olympic marathon winner Abebe Bikila, the award is presented in November.

Races
Races are held nearly every weekend and include destination races such as the:

 * New York City Marathon
 * NYC Half Marathon
 * New York Mini 10K
 * Fifth Avenue Mile

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Monte Carlo N-Particle Transport Code

Monte Carlo N-Particle Transport (MCNP) is a general-purpose, continuous-energy, generalized-geometry, time-dependent, Monte Carlo radiation transport code designed to track many particle types over broad ranges of energies and is developed by Los Alamos National Laboratory. Specific areas of application include, but are not limited to, radiation protection and dosimetry, radiation shielding, radiography, medical physics, nuclear criticality safety, detector design and analysis, nuclear oil well logging, accelerator target design, fission and fusion reactor design, decontamination and decommissioning. The code treats an arbitrary three-dimensional configuration of materials in geometric cells bounded by first- and second-degree surfaces and fourth-degree elliptical tori.

Point-wise cross section data are typically used, although group-wise data also are available. For neutrons, all reactions given in a particular cross-section evaluation (such as ENDF/B-VI) are accounted for. Thermal neutrons are described by both the free gas and S(α,β) models. For photons, the code accounts for incoherent and coherent scattering, the possibility of fluorescent emission after photoelectric absorption, absorption in pair production with local emission of annihilation radiation, and bremsstrahlung. A continuous-slowing-down model is used for electron transport that includes positrons, k x-rays, and bremsstrahlung but does not include external or self-induced fields.

Important standard features that make MCNP very versatile and easy to use include a powerful general source, criticality source, and surface source; both geometry and output tally plotters; a rich collection of variance reduction techniques; a flexible tally structure; and an extensive collection of cross-section data.

MCNP contains numerous flexible tallies: surface current and flux, volume flux (track length), point or ring detectors, particle heating, fission heating, pulse height tally for energy or charge deposition, mesh tallies, and radiography tallies.

The key value MCNP provides is a predictive capability that can replace expensive or impossible-to-perform experiments. It is often used to design large-scale measurements providing a significant time and cost savings to the community. LANL's latest version of the MCNP code, version 6.2, represents one piece of a set of synergistic capabilities each developed at LANL; it includes evaluated nuclear data (ENDF) and the data processing code, NJOY. The international user community's high confidence in MCNP's predictive capabilities are based on its performance with verification and validation test suites, comparisons to its predecessor codes, automated testing, underlying high quality nuclear and atomic databases and significant testing by its users.

History
The Monte Carlo method for radiation particle transport has its origins at LANL dates back to 1946. The creators of these methods were Stanislaw Ulam, John von Neumann, Robert Richtmyer, and Nicholas Metropolis. Monte Carlo for radiation transport was conceived by Stanislaw Ulam in 1946 while playing Solitaire while recovering from an illness. "After spending a lot of time trying to estimate success by combinatorial calculations, I wondered whether a more practical method...might be to lay it out say one hundred times and simply observe and count the number of successful plays." In 1947, John von Neumann sent a letter to Robert Richtmyer proposing the use of a statistical method to solve neutron diffusion and multiplication problems in fission devices. His letter contained an 81-step pseudo code and was the first formulation of a Monte Carlo computation for an electronic computing machine. Von Neumann's assumptions were: time-dependent, continuous-energy, spherical but radially-varying, one fissionable material, isotropic scattering and fission production, and fission multiplicities of 2, 3, or 4. He suggested 100 neutrons each to be run for 100 collisions and estimated the computational time to be five hours on ENIAC. Richtmyer proposed suggestions to allow for multiple fissionable materials, no fission spectrum energy dependence, single neutron multiplicity, and running the computation for computer time and not for the number of collisions. The code was finalized in December 1947. The first calculations were run in April/May 1948 on ENIAC.

While waiting for ENIAC to be physically relocated, Enrico Fermi invented a mechanical device called FERMIAC to trace neutron movements through fissionable materials by the Monte Carlo method. Monte Carlo methods for particle transport have been driving computational developments since the beginning of modern computers; this continues today.

In the 1950s and 1960s, these new methods were organized into a series of special-purpose Monte Carlo codes, including MCS, MCN, MCP, and MCG. These codes were able to transport neutrons and photons for specialized LANL applications. In 1977, these separate codes were combined to create the first generalized Monte Carlo radiation particle transport code, MCNP. In 1977, MCNP was first created by merging MCNG with MCP to create MCNP. The first release of the MCNP code was version 3 and was released in 1983. It is distributed by the Radiation Safety Information Computational Center in Oak Ridge, TN.

Monte Carlo N-Particle eXtended
Monte Carlo N-Particle eXtended (MCNPX) was also developed at Los Alamos National Laboratory, and is capable of simulating particle interactions of 34 different types of particles (nucleons and ions) and 2000+ heavy ions at nearly all energies, including those simulated by MCNP.

Both codes can be used to judge whether or not nuclear systems are critical and to determine doses from sources, among other things.

MCNP6 is a merger of MCNP5 and MCNPX.

Comparison
MCNP6 is less accurate than MCNPX. Geant4 is less accurate than MCNPX. Geant4 is less accurate than MCNP5.

Geant4 is slower than MCNPX.

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User talk:Fredcipriano

Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you were just trying to experiment, then use the sandbox instead. Thank you. Meelar (talk) 02:52, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Beat Happening (album)

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Copy editing
Hey there! I'm going to give this article a bit of a copy edit after there was a request for one at WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors. Please do post questions or comments here if you wish :) Jonathan Deamer (talk) 17:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeffrey Skinner

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was KEEP. -Splash 00:52, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Jeffrey Skinner
Non-notable. Delete Andrew pmk 02:56, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn . I think the standard is to have more published than a single poem. --TheMidnighters 08:29, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep satisfies notability as an author, article previously did not state extensive publications. --TheMidnighters 12:44, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete nn. the wub  "?/!"  08:40, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and stubbify. He seems per google to have had more than one published (amazon's review of ISBN 1931337241 says this is "his fifth volume"), to have written at least one play that was a finalist in the Eugene O'Neil National Theater Conference, etc. I've never heard of him either, but that makes me ignorant, not him non-notable! Tonywalton | Talk 10:13, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It's hardly ignorance to not know by heart the name of every single professor in existence, but good research and justification, I've changed my vote and added more information to the article so that he actually seems worthy of an article. --TheMidnighters 12:44, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Apologies - I didn't mean "ignorant" in any pejorative sense; merely in the sense of "not knowing" (as in "I'm ignorant of the bloke next door's shoe size") Tonywalton | Talk

 * Keep per Tonywalton. -- DS1953 15:45, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as above Trollderella 18:12, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Although the four collections of his poetry are not self-published, nor published by his own press, they have very high Amazon sales rank numbers: Amazon sales ranks: Late Stars, 3,390,886; Gender Studies, #613,738; The Company of Heaven, #3,731,512; A Guide to Forgetting, #1,495,844. A sales rank number higher than 750,000 can be estimated to mean sales of less than 50 copies. My personal rule of thumb which guides my VfD voting on individuals whose claim to notability is authorship, is that they must have authored a book with an Amazon sales rank number of less than 200,000 in order to qualify as a notable author. Dpbsmith (talk) 19:29, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep seems a well-credentialled poet. Capitalistroadster 00:49, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Published (non-vanity press) poet. Rx StrangeLove 23:42, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Surely Amazon sales rank numbers aren't the end-all and be-all of author notablity? --Prosfilaes 07:23, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Reinyday
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Massachusetts Route 30

Route 30 is a 36.3817 mi east–west arterial route, connecting Grafton with Packard's Corner in Boston. Route 30 runs roughly parallel to the Massachusetts Turnpike and Route 9, but unlike those two larger highways, takes a more meandering path from town to town. Between Boston and the Charles River it is known as Commonwealth Avenue, along most of this route is part of the course of the Boston Marathon.

Route 30 has two interchanges with the Mass Pike, at Exits 13 in Framingham and 14/15 in Weston; the latter also includes the junction with Interstate 95 (Route 128). It also has two interchanges with Route 9, one in Westborough and one at the Southborough-Framingham border (where the two highways have an interchange without actually crossing), as well as a section further east in Framingham that runs concurrently with Route 9, for a total of four junctions between Routes 9 and 30.

Western end (North Grafton – Framingham)
Route 30 begins in North Grafton at Route 122, where it shares a roadway briefly with Route 140. The route travels northeast, passing the Tufts University Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine. The road continues into Westborough, where it crosses Route 135 at a rotary and interchanges with Route 9 to the northeast. After crossing Route 9, Route 30 turns eastward, crossing underneath Interstate 495 without an interchange. The route continues east into Southborough, where it crosses Route 85. Route 30 interchanges once again with Route 9 (without actually crossing it) and continues to parallel the highway into Framingham.

Route 9 concurrency and interchanges (Framingham – Weston)
In Framingham, Route 30 joins Route 9 in an approximately one-mile concurrency, and leaves via an interchange with Route 126 (heading eastward, there is a very brief concurrency between routes 30 and 126; heading westward, Route 30 joins Route 9 one block west of the Route 126 interchange). Route 30 continues to the northeast and interchanges with the Massachusetts Turnpike. Route 30 continues northeast, crossing over the Mass. Pike, and very briefly entering Natick before entering Wayland. In Wayland, Route 30 crosses Route 27 and continues northeast, very closely paralleling the Mass Pike. Route 30 continues into Weston, where it enters a large interchange with the Mass. Pike and Interstate 95 (Route 128).

Eastern end as Commonwealth Ave (Newton – Boston)
Upon crossing over I-95 and the Charles River, there is a drastic change in scenery as one crosses from Boston's suburbs to the metropolitan area. With this, Route 30 enters Newton, crossing over the Mass Pike again and then crossing Route 16. Route 30 winds to the east, passing Boston College in Chestnut Hill and entering the Boston neighborhood of Brighton. Route 30 ends approximately 2 mi west of Route 2 at U.S. Route 20, which provides access to Kenmore Square and Downtown Boston.

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List of United States state supreme court cases

Every year, each of the 50 United States state supreme courts decides hundreds of cases. Of those cases dealing with state law, a few significantly shape or re-shape the law of their state or are so influential that they later become models for decisions of other states or the federal government, or are noted for being rejected by other jurisdictions. The same is true of those cases involving a federal question, except that these may be appealed to the United States Supreme Court. This list contains notable final decisions of these courts – those that were not subject to appeal, or from which no appeal was taken, or from which an appeal was taken but certiorari was denied. Appealed decisions that are notable primarily because of later actions of the U.S. Supreme Court covered in the listings of U.S. Supreme Court cases. The decisions are listed in chronological order.

1900–1949

 * Wood v. Lucy, Lady Duff-Gordon, 222 N.Y. 88, 118 N.E. 214 (N.Y. 1917): A contract for exclusive representation implied consideration.
 * Dodge v. Ford Motor Company, 204 Mich. 459, 170 N.W. 668 (Mich. 1919): Owners of a company with investors have a duty to operate the business for profitable purposes as opposed to charitable purposes.
 * Meinhard v. Salmon, 249 N.Y. 458, 164 N.E. 545 (N.Y. 1928): A fiduciary duty exists between business partners.
 * Palsgraf v. Long Island Railroad Co., 162 N.E. 99 (N.Y. 1928): Liability for injuries caused by negligence extends only to those within a zone of danger within which the injury was foreseeable.
 * Hawkins v. McGee, 84 N.H. 114, 146 A. 641 (N.H. 1929): Expectation damages in contracts.

1950–Present

 * Lucy v. Zehmer, 196 Va. 493; 84 S.E.2d 516 (1954): Validity of a contract based on reasonable inferences drawn from other party's behavior
 * Garratt v. Dailey, 279 P.2d 1091 (Wash. 1955): Tortious intent of a child
 * Katko v. Briney, 183 N.W.2d 657 (Iowa 1971): Landowners have no right to set deadly traps against trespassers on their property.
 * Baker v. Nelson, 291 Minn. 310 (Minn. 1971): Same-sex marriage prohibited in Minnesota.
 * The People v. Robert Page Anderson, 64 Cal.2d 633, 414 P.2d 366 (Cal. 1972): Capital punishment unconstitutional in California
 * Li v. Yellow Cab Co., 13 Cal.3d 804 (1975): comparative negligence
 * Tarasoff v. Regents of the University of California, 17 Cal. 3d 425, 551 P.2d 334, 131 Cal. Rptr. 14 (Cal. 1976): Mental health professionals have a duty to protect specific persons who were threatened by their patients.
 * Goodridge v. Department of Public Health, 798 N.E.2d 941 (Mass. 2003): Right of same-sex couples to marry in Massachusetts.
 * Bush v. Schiavo, 885 So.2d 321 (Fla. 2004): A law enacted to permit the governor to retroactively stay court-ordered removal of a feeding tube was an unconstitutional invasion of the separation of powers.
 * People v. LaValle, 3 N.Y.3d 88 (2004): Death penalty statute declared unconstitutional in New York.
 * Lewis v. Harris, 908 A.2d 196 (N.J. 2006): Holding that same-sex couples deserve equal rights under the law, but stopping short of creating same-sex marriage.
 * Varnum v. Brien, WL 874044 (Iowa 2009): Holding that Iowa's defense of marriage act violated the equal protection clause of the Iowa Constitution.


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Talk:United States Fish and Wildlife Service list of endangered mammals and birds

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Jeez, Thanks for fixing up this page. It looks great! One problem is that when I started this page, I didn't copy all of the species over -- there were just too many of them. You may have noticed that 'birds' stops abruptly on the letter 'M'. There also aren't any reptiles, amphibians, or plants listed. If you want to, you'd be welcome to go the the Fish and Wildlife service page to get the entire list (www.fws.gov). That would be a heck of a lot of work, though.

Thanks again for your efforts! Matthias5 02:57, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Rename
I've placed a merge notice to rename this article to United States Fish and Wildlife Service list of endangered species. The current name is inaccurate. -Gavin 15:58, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Renames are not done that way. They are done with the "move" tab above the article. I've deleted the cut-and-paste job you did (also a no-no) and will be moving this there. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:13, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

 * What is an official name?

How should be separate lists named? --Snek01 (talk) 22:21, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * United States Fish and Wildlife Service list of endangered species
 * Federal list of endangered and threatened wildlife and plants
 * U. S. list of endangered and threatened wildlife and plants

Gazelles
The common name and species name don't go to the same article for Arabian gazelle, Gazella gazella. Same for mountain gazelle (Cuvier's), Gazella cuvieri. Probably easy to fix... —Pengo talk · contribs 10:39, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Date should be clearly stated
Since the ESA is an evolving document, and species can change in status or be added/delisted, this article should have a date at the top, for no other reason to remind future editors to check for updates. The references themselves should be updated or checked for accuracy on an annual basis (Reference 1, revised in 2007, is currently a dead link). Animalparty (talk) 20:15, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Status of Gelada
Looking at the article on the Gelada, its conservation status is given as "Least Concern." Does not seem like it should be included among threatened/endangered species. 2601:600:8781:13B0:2D8B:B148:95A4:8CC8 (talk) 22:25, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

 * Gelada baboons are a threatened species according to the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service. The designation of "least concern" was given by the International Union for Conservation of Nature, which is a different entity. 108.18.207.147 (talk) 19:54, 26 December 2023 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rick (model)

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete. Redwolf24 01:07, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Rick (model)
"Rick." That's all we have. Not even the most basic information any biographical article requires: a last name. Nothing here, and googling Rick along with his all nude workout gets few hits, many of them wikipedia. Pointless. -R. fiend 02:57, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Sheesh. RasputinAXP   talk  *  contribs  04:00, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete. Unable to verify, but if true, would be suitable to merge into All-Nude Workout.  --Alan Au 04:08, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per Alan Au. - Mgm|(talk) 08:12, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * It's verifiable . There is alas nothing else to say about him except that he wore no clothes in a video twelve years ago and hasn't been heard of, under that name at least, since. Delete, All Nude Workout (which is labelled, puzzlingly, as a sport stub) already refers to his role in the video. In response to Tony Walton's vote I want to emphasize that I do not advocate the deletion of the All Nude Workout article. --Tony Sidaway Talk  10:08, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete both, per Tony. Tonywalton | Talk 10:22, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete I think there's a naked video of me floating around, too. Maybe I'll start calling myself just "Bob" PlainSight 02:04, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Bastyr University

Article biased and inflammatory
The emphasis on critiques of Bastyr by mainstream media is exaggerated and overly prominent as for one thing many of Bastyr's programs involve traditional and vocational occupations, like midwifery, and others like dietetics, that do not implicate that dispute. Moreover, even the stock dispute with the AMA and related entities is overblown as much of naturopathic medicine has been accepted in the official medical community. In that regard it is telling that the article refers to acupuncture, a state licensed profession, as bogus, a ridiculous assertion that undermines the credibility of the article that implicates Western cultural chauvinism. So while this dispute certainly merits discussion in a more more nuanced way in the body of the text, headlining it at the top of the article is unfair and casts this worthy institution in a false light that borders on being defamatory. Tom Cod (talk) 16:53, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Best to follow the sources and bear WP:PSCI and WP:FRINGE in mind. An impersonal topic can't be "defamed", and making legal threats is a sure-fire way to end a Wikipedia editing career. Alexbrn (talk) 17:23, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * What legal threats are being made? It seems like you are the one that is acting in a heavy handed manner by threatening me with censorship, but that seems consistent with the tone you have displayed throughout this discussion. And yes, an institution can be defamed.  The school is accredited by the state, offering many programs outside naturopathy.  To suggest that it is a fraud or that it practices something akin to witchcraft is demagogic, misleading and unfair.Tom Cod (talk) 17:52, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Naturopathy can't be defamed - it's you who is invoking defamation, which is an inappropriate consideration here. We need to point out that naturopathy is a scam, to be neutral. That's just basic policy. Alexbrn (talk) 18:16, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

 * No, but Bastyr University can be defamed, something that violates journalistic norms and Wikipedia policy.Tom Cod (talk) 18:30, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The article follows policy. We follow RS giving due weight to its content. Your attempted whitewashings did not and you are flirting with violating WP:NLT. Alexbrn (talk) 18:36, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * No, I made no legal threat and did not attempt to whitewash anything. For what it's worth, I am not a partisan of naturopathic medicine at all and think a discussion of its merits and demerits is appropriate, including within this article; but I find the tone and emphasis of this article on Bastyr University as written inappropriate, misleading and inflammatory.Tom Cod (talk) 18:50, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Use of terms like scam and quackery regarding something suggests that those involved in it are dishonest and not acting in good faith instead of say being mistaken, in error, misguided etc. Use of this kind of inflammatory rhetoric comes across as overly doctrinaire and mean spirited, doing little to advance a civil discussion. I noticed that Wikepedia articles on accupuncture and chiropractic, which appear to be edited in part by some of the same people as herein, contains some of these same epithets. But I know people who are involved in these professions who are honest and decent people. So I question whether this attitude really conforms with Wikipedia norms or not. Can't imagine the New York Times writing even a critical minded article about these topics in such a fashion; it would be interesting to see what Britannica's articles on such topics are like. Tom Cod (talk) 02:05, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is WP:NOT a newspaper or Britannica. We have our own policies and stance. If you think WP:FRINGE/WP:NPOV policy is misapplied here, check at WP:FT/N. Alexbrn (talk) 06:47, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Your chiropractic friends may be honest and decent people, but that doesn't change the fact that there is NO evidence based medicine that indicates that the practice of chiropractic is anything more than a dangerous and expensive way to shear spinal vertebral arteries. It is not recognized by the AMA as a legitimate medical practice. This is why no chiropractor gets admitting or treating privileges at any hospital in the US, unlike real MDs and DOs, or even DPTs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.5.217.84 (talk) 02:41, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * But that misrepresents things quite a bit. See the Wikipedia article on chiropractic.  Chiropractors do not claim to be medical doctors, but are licensed medical professionals nonetheless whose treatments are generally covered by medical insurance and to whom patients are sometimes referred by MDs.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2D80:ED01:FC00:746B:A05F:FD9C:73C3 (talk) 13:51, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Chiropractors as a group do not understand the legitimate limits of their scope of practice, and most chiropractic schools teach the refuted "subluxation" theory. Chiropractors routinely kill and disable people but refuse to put in place any system for monitoring or addressing this. They also give whole-spine X-rays looking for a non-existent condition, which is a huge unnecessary radiation exposure. The criticism is valid. Guy (help!) 13:16, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Low admission standards
Currently we state that Bastyr University has "low admission standards" based on "Why 'Naturopathic Medicine' is an Oxymoron". The source discusses admission standards when it writes:

 * However, when you look under the hood, at the admission requirements, a clear line is drawn in the sand between the two. The average undergraduate GPA of an entering medical school class is around 3.7 with a strict 3.0 cutoff for admissions. And, medical schools typically have acceptance rates in the single digits.

 * The average GPA of the entering class at naturopathic schools hovers around 3.0, with the school's websites suggesting a minimum of a 2.0 (that's a "C".) The Boucher Institute of Naturopathic Medicine (in Canada) calls a GPA of 2.7 competitive. Also, the acceptance rates are upwards of 60 - 70% with University of Bridgeport reporting 100%.

However, the article is only discussing "naturopathic schools" in general, mentioning only two by name. Admission standards are being drawn from the GPA, but the GPA for Bastyr is not known here, nor mentioned in the article. I don't think we can make the statement that Bastyr has low admission standards based on general comments about naturopathic schools without a source that specifically refers to the standards at Bastyr. - Bilby (talk) 11:20, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Good catch. We certainly need a source that explicitly discusses the admissions standards of this university. ElKevbo (talk) 14:03, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Notable alumni
The general, rule with notable alumni is that we only include people who have articles on WP, although there are room for exceptions. Both Britt Marie Hermes has an article, and while Peter J. D'Adamo does not, it does redirect to a topic which discusses him. Neither Kim Kelly, Michael T. Murray nor Michael Uzick have articles.

 * Kim Kelly has a very small amount of media coverage as a result of a patient dying from an allergic reaction after she he injected them with a curcumin emulsion, the longest being a self-published article. No charges were laid, and the FDA article does not mention her by name. The only mention of a connection with Bastyr is on her own home page.
 * Michael T. Murray has a bit more coverage, but is currently included based on some criticism of co-authored books on Quackwatch.
 * Michael Uzick's only claim is that he was once repremanded by the Arizona Naturopathic Physicians Medical Board.

Is this sufficient for all three to override the lack of articles? I think it might be with Michael Murray, but I'm hard pressed to see it for the other two. - Bilby (talk) 04:45, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * All these folks have coverage in secondary sources that lends sufficient weight. We don't need to be super selective as it's not as if the article is at risk of getting too long! More alumni would be good - can you find any? Alexbrn (talk) 04:54, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The question is the sufficent weight - there is almost nothing on two of them. Is that really enough? They have little if anything to do with Bastyr, and would never warrant their own articles. Does this really make them notable alumni? Or just trivial things to raise in order to score points on Bastyr? - Bilby (talk) 05:00, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Would be good to build a more comprehensive article. What about Jamey Wallace ? He seems to have garnered some attention for recommending "magick socks". Alexbrn (talk) 05:12, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * That doesn't really help. I'm pretty sure that to be listed as notable alumni normally you need to be mentioned more than as a source of derision in one article. - Bilby (talk) 05:35, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the problem is the English word "notable", which WP editors can confuse with the specific concept of WP:NOTABLE ? If the section was called "Alumni activity" or somesuch that might clarify things. Regardless of whether Wallace qualifies for this section, I do think we need something on Bastyr's magic socks (with appropriate WP:FRINGE-aware treatment of course) since SBM is an on-point source. Alexbrn (talk) 05:43, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep up with reality please OP. Kim Kelly is a bloke. -Roxy, the dog . wooF 06:19, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I feel horrible about the mistake. Thanks for pointing it out. - Bilby (talk) 06:22, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * A single source, about an otherwise non-notable individual, based on a single thing he wrote. That doesn't look remotely like due weight. But that's the issue here. It isn't just about the term "notable alumni", although that's a problem - it is about using people with little coverage to attack Bastyr. We can criticise Bastyr fine without having to include people who are virtually unknown, and leaving them out would be far more complkiant with BLP. - Bilby (talk) 06:22, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Unless there are more sources then yes Wallace is marginal. But if people have risen to the level they're getting mainstream news coverage that suggests sufficient weight, and the Kelly and Uzick incidents are covered elsewhere on Wikipedia too accordingly. How any inclusion here reflects on Bastyr is not a consideration for us Wikipedia editors so as to try and "steer" the POV. Just include the reality and let the chips fall as they may. And Britt Marie Hermes, of course, is ironically a credit to the institution having done a fair bit to advance awareness around naturopathy. Alexbrn (talk) 06:36, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * If there were, in fact, articles about Kelly or Uzick I'd be happy with them here. But the respective events didn't happen at Bastyr, as far as we know they were not connected with Bastyr, and the people themselves are not considered notable as graduates of Bastyr. So I'm at a loss to understand why they belong here. - Bilby (talk) 06:45, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * "Selected alumni" now looks worse - there's no reason given as to why these people were selected. - Bilby (talk) 07:19, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Which is true for every "selected bibliography" or "selected works" section on Wikipedia too. We don't normally insert the reasoning behind selection in the article text (though it may be discussed on Talk). Other titles might be "Alumni", "Alumni in the news", "Alumni activity" etc etc. I'm okay with "notable" though (except it confuses people into thinking this means WP:NOTABLE). Alexbrn (talk) 07:23, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * In this case, though, as far as I can tell the selection criteria is mostly "does it make Bastyr loook bad", with one exception, which probably isn't what we want to suggest. That said, the confusion between WP:NOTABLE and notable is not the issue, as the people I'm concerned with don't seem to be either. - Bilby (talk) 07:34, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

I think it's legitimate to ask to what degree these alumni are associated with Bastyr. In the case of Kelly it's explicit in RS (Gorski makes the point that even the "best" naturopathic school thus turns out a graduate who caused death through the use of a dodgy treatment). I'm as yet undecided on Uzick ... yes he's undoubtedly an alumnus but to what degree is the Bastyr connection relevant? What do others think? Alexbrn (talk) 08:10, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll give this a bit of time, but I don't think I'm making my point very well, or at least you seem to be missing it. If need be, we can always just take this to BLPN. - Bilby (talk) 08:12, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * What again ? That might look a bit obsessive. Alexbrn (talk) 08:17, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * At least I'm consistent, but my main interest here is with Kelly. - Bilby (talk) 08:28, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * It might be helpful to others if you were clear about what change you propose then. You want to remove Kelly from the list of alumni, right? Alexbrn (talk) 08:35, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think reiterating the issues will help. I'll probaby just have to look elsewhere. - Bilby (talk) 13:25, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

 * Anyone who wants a productive and welcoming wiki-outlet for curating university alumni can do so in Wikidata. Eventually - in a few years? - most alumni lists will be auto-generated. I cannot quite demonstrate alumni listing automatically but here is an example university profile. Bastyr does not profile properly because no one has curated their faculty.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  13:43, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Recent whitewashing attempts
A few accounts were recently blocked for using multiple accounts (WP:SOCK). Since they have also posted on individual user talk pages, here are a few things I would like to clarify. Please click on the various blue links to understand how Wikipedia works. The messages alleged administrator abuse, but the only administrative actions have been to protect the article from disruption (WP:PROTECT) and to block accounts that used editing privileges illegitimately (editing not being a right, SOCK is already linked above, but also see WP:FREESPEECH). Adding material is an independent editing event to deleting critical material. WP:NPOV is about faithfully representing sources that are considered reliable (WP:RS, also see WP:RSP and WP:RSN that can be used to evaluate the reliability of a source), not about presenting a WP:FALSEBALANCE. In relation to Quackwatch, there is consensus that it is reliable but that it also should be attributed (WP:ATTRIBUTE). Moreover, some edits attempted to mislead readers by attributing to Quackwatch statements from other independent sources. In any case, per the Wikipedia WP:FRINGE, WP:PSCI and WP:YESPOV policies, articles should be clear about it. Also see WP:PROMOTION: some of the recently proposed material was clearly promotional and has no place in the encyclopedia. Per WP:COI, editors with a conflict of interest (and this is obvious by recent edits from IP addresses registered to the school) must clearly disclose (WP:DISCLOSE) it and should ideally propose changes and seek WP:CONSENSUS on this talk page rather than edit the article. The WP:STANDARDOFFER essay has good tips on how to proceed after being blocked. Thanks, — Paleo Neonate  – 08:03, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Placing critique of the school's curriculum in the lede is WP:UNDUE
While I believe it is entirely appropriate to include legitimate critiques of the school's curriculum in the article, I believe placing that material in the lede gives undue weight to that material. I believe the material would be better placed in the "Academics" section of the article. Pinging and  who have recently disagreed about this matter. All other comments welcome, of course. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:01, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * My issue here is that per WP:LEDE, the lede should "summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies". The concerns about the curriculum are reasonably prominent in independent sources on the university, so I don't think it's undue to include them. I do think that the lede could be expanded so that it summarises other aspects of the article more fully, which would mean that the material on the curriculum is less dominant. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:40, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * That is the way to do it. Add material to make the lead more in compliance. Doug Weller  talk 20:21, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

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Ray O. Wyland

Ray Orion Wyland (April 15, 1890 – October 26, 1969, Los Angeles, California) was the national director of education and national director of the Division of Relationships for the Boy Scouts of America (BSA). He was a founding advisor to Alpha Phi Omega.

Early life and career
Wyland was born in Jewell County, Kansas. He moved to Ringwood, Oklahoma, in 1902. In 1908 and 1909, he attended the high school in Greenville, Texas, later moving to Danville, Illinois, where he graduated from high school in 1911. Four years later, he graduated from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, with a degree of A.B. and honors in psychology. He then attended the Garrett Seminary in Evanston, Illinois, and received his B.D. degree in 1918. Taking postgraduate courses, he received his M.A. degree in 1929 and his Ph.D. in 1934 from Columbia University.

His family included his wife, the former Miss Ruby Arnold, and their son, Ray O. Wyland Jr.

As managing director of the United American in Illinois from 1919 to 1922, Wyland conducted a training school in Americanization work which resulted in the naturalization of 20,000 aliens. He helped to "Americanize"' several hundred thousand foreign-born citizens.

Boy Scouts of America
Wyland became affiliated with the National Council of the Boy Scouts of America on August 1, 1922. He started as national director of relationships for what was first called the "Bureau of Church Relations" then later the "Relationships Division". He became acting director of education in 1925, then director of education in 1930. He held these positions until 1952.

As director of relationships, Wyland co-ordinated the work of Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Latter-day Saint and other religious groups in their scouting participation, as well as educational institutions, civic groups, service clubs, fraternal bodies and parent institutions which sponsored scout troops and cub packs.

As director of education, he edited Principles of Scoutmastership (the first training material for scoutmasters in the early 1930s) and other publications.

His doctoral dissertation was Scouting in the Schools: A Study of the Relationships Between the Schools and the Boy Scouts of America. His dissertation advisor was Dr. Elbert K. Fretwell, who became the BSA's second Chief Scout Executive. It was first published in book form in 1934 by Teacher College Press, part of Columbia University.

In 1937, J. S. Wilson met Gunnar Berg and Wyland at Balboa, Panama, on his way to Bogotá, for a conference about mixed-race scouts in the Panama Canal Zone, who claimed British and not Panamanian nationality. It was agreed that they should be taken under the wing of the Canal Zone Council of the Boy Scouts of America but, in 1947, they were transferred directly under the International Bureau as the International Boy Scouts of the Canal Zone.

Other positions
Wyland was a trustee of the Washington Square Methodist Church in New York City, president of the New York Rotary Club, president of the Strathmore Association of Westchester County, gave leadership in Red Cross, United Service Organizations and Community Chest campaigns and was a captain in the Auxiliary Police in World War II.

Alpha Phi Omega
Wyland was a charter member of Alpha chapter of Alpha Phi Omega, having been scout advisor from the inception of the fraternity. He played a large role in the development of the operating policies, constitution and bylaws of Alpha Phi Omega and devising the fourfold program of service for Alpha Phi Omega. His attendance at all of the national conventions until at least 1951 helped with this endeavor.

In 1930, when application was made for approval of Alpha Phi Omega by the National Council of the Boy Scouts of America, Wyland worked hand in hand with Dr. H. Roe Bartle in presenting the facts which brought about a favorable decision and gave Alpha Phi Omega the official sanction of the Scouting Movement.

Alpha Phi Omega honored him by dedicating the 1951 Fall Pledge class to him and awarding him the National Distinguished Service Award in 1956. He represented the national fraternity at the chartering of a large number of chapters in the northeast in the 1940s and 1950s. He was a signatory of the Alpha Phi Omega articles of incorporation in 1968.

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Talk:Ken Kutaragi

Biography intro
"Kutaragi was closely watched by financial analysts who trace profiles of the losses and profits of the Sony Corporation. This has been attributed to the PlayStation franchise's high profit returns for Sony; it has been the key source of profit for the company. [1]" I don't understand this. The sentences do not have anything to do with what's written, it actually suggests the opposite. Someone should remove or rewrite this entirely, it's not making much sense as of now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.167.175.109 (talk) 02:02, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Archive

 * Archive 1 - talk prior to 2005 December 31

In case this is relevant...
I recategorized this article to Japanese businesspeople. I didn't think it would be that relevant, but seeing the notice I thought I would drop a comment nonetheless. -- EmperorBMA|話す 23:29, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

87.81.190.115 22:45, 8 June 2006 (UTC) I reckon the infamous Ken Kutaragi quotes on PS3 should be included. It might help people gain an insight into his personality/character.

What about "It's not a defect, it's a feature!"?? 201.214.170.79 22:39, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
Picture was recently (between noon and 12:30PM on November 20th) vandalized to that of Kim Jong-il. Not sure how to edit back, just thought I'd mention the time when I noticed.

More Vandalism
There is a box at the top of the page declaring this a "Userpage", as well as a picture of the "Numa Numa" kid from the popular internet Meme. I am guessing this should be undone? Mathteacher1729 19:28, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Ken Kutaragi Resigns
According to Cnet News.com, they have confirmed Wall Street Journal's article with SCEI detailing Kutaragi's resignation.

A major article rewrite is needed. Mushroom King 17:23, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

= yes, honorably retiring and resigning means something different, at least in us culture. Family Guy Guy 04:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism 3
I just removed a section dealing with Kutaragi's retirement. This section had no sources and bad grammar, leading me to believe it was not true. Additionally, I've read news articles of Kutaragi's resignation, making this retirement section seem even more unlikely. -JoeTrumpet 21:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Cellius
should we put something about Cellius?

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/24/ken-kutaragi-to-become-chairman-of-cellius/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PhantomLee (talk • contribs) 09:31, 29 April 2007 (UTC).

PSP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.127.33.94 (talk) 07:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Link 9
Is dead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.244.194.212 (talk) 07:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Poor Article
Why doesn't this article mention Kutaragi's role in gaming history, his great successes and famous gaffes? For some reason, it has been cut and trimmed into nonexistence. http://en.wi~ipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ken_Kutaragi&oldid=342902134 is at least a little better. 174.126.75.80 (talk) 03:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

does
i very confuse... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.126.180.209 (talk) 21:53, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

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Artemis 30

The Artemis 30 is an anti-aircraft gun system originally developed in 1982 and produced by the Hellenic Arms designed by Anastasios Georgiou (EBO)  and Athanassios Calligeris, Ph.D. Designer lots parts of twin barrels for use by the Greek armed forces (Hellenic Army) in the Aegean Sea. The system is named after the ancient Greek goddess of the hunt, Artemis.

The Artemis 30 consists of twin 30 mm Mauser MK30 Model F autocannons connected to a large central drum mounted on a four-wheeled towed carriage. A total of 500 rounds are carried ready to use in the mount. normally deployed in 6 twin mounts per battery, and has a maximum range of 8,400 metres and a firing rate of 800 rounds per minute per barrel.

The Mauser Model F gun was manufactured by EKO, has a 30 mm caliber and a torque of 800 to 920 watts. with 0.5 mRad dispersion. The gun consists of about 72 parts, of which 12 are moving. The ammunition was manufactured by EBO. The system has the ability to target targets with ammunition such as 30 mm GAU-8 / A (HEI, APHEI, ARDS TP with or without tracers). The fire control system comes from Philips and consists of a sensor assembly in a separate trailer (trailer wheeled vehicle) featuring: a video camera for automatic target tracking / tracking and a laser distance meter or TV camera equipped with infrared imaging to set target day and night in good weather conditions. Additionally, it is possible to add target tracking capture radar by giving the station worthy title of all weather. ARTEMIS-30 can be easily operated from a distance, from a special cage, e.g. a wheeled vehicle capable of being remote controlled, and the system also has a seat on the system with the necessary controls. The system is intended to be equipped with additional search radar (rotatable), capable of simultaneously providing target information to multiple ARTEMIS-30 A / A arrays at a distance of 40 km.

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Talk:Jedi Search

Merge
The content here was sparse and lacking, as it was on all the articles for the Jedi Academy Trilogy novels, so I am working on placing the content of those pages on the Jedi Academy Trilogy page and redirecting the individual novel pages there. Work should be finished shortly. – Mipadi 03:01, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

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