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User talk:Mel Etitis/Archive 23

Violating Wikipedia rules
May I ask you to have a look at the Talk:Elvis Presley page? To my mind, my opponents User:Ted Wilkes and User:Wyss are violating the rule that there should be no personal attacks against other Wikipedia users on discussion pages. Ted Wilkes has even deleted my recent contribution to the talk page. See Talk:Elvis Presley, history. I have only summed up some facts and presented an additional source which proves that the claims by Dee Presley have been discussed by Elvis fan groups. Significantly, when I stated that I was moving on some days ago, my opponents had nothing else to do than immediately hurry to the Nick Adams, Natalie Wood and James Dean pages in order to delete all contributions I have written. I think this is not fair play. Here is my contribution which has been deleted by Ted Wilkes: He has also deleted other relevant passages from the Talk:Elvis Presley page, for instance, the excerpts from the critical article by Professor Dr Wall. See Onefortyone 15:10, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Truth be told, I'm the one who pointed out that User:Ted Wilkes was deleting 141's comments from the talk page, and I objected to it. Since IMO both of them have strayed far outside Wikipedia policy and have for the moment scotched any chance of consensus discussion, I'll defer for now to others less involved as to how the Elvis Presley article might be resolved. Wyss 15:15, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

I looked at the page, and saw both the truth of what Onefortyone said about Ted Wilkes and what Wyss said about himself. I've warned Ted Wilkes. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 15:20, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

re:
There oughtn't be reasons for multiple instances of dablinks, there just needs to be one note. Therefore it could go into the template. For the sake of consistency it either ought to be on all or none. Dunc|☺ 16:37, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikialbums format
I believe that we should take this issue to a third party and let them decide on the matter. Both conventions have their merits for usage, and it would be best for more contributors to add their input into the issue. I don't believe that making edits on individual albums is a practical long-term plan for this issue. We should let editors (both music and non-music contributors) add their 2 cents to this matter. What's the best venue for doing so?

Cheers :-) --Madchester 17:14, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Once again, it's not practical for you to be going on a MoS spree of edits while there's no resolution to this issue. If a change is proposed, then the album, singles, etc. articles can be edited accordingly. I'll be ready to jump on board to make the appropriate edits that are necessary! :-) Otherwise, trying to make all these changes to conform to MoS, while others are following the existing Wikiproject Albums, Wikiproject Ssongs, etc.... criteria set in place is not necessarily helpful, especially for music contributors. For example, I noticed that a former user (PetSounds) had taken issue to your MoS edits as well.  The fact that this is the 2nd time a similar issue has been brought up in recent weeks should have alerted you to propse some changes or suggestions to the Wikialbums project, rather than making chance edits now and then.  This is the first time I've encountered the Wikiproject Albums vs. MoS issue, and I immediately brought it up for discussion to what is the appropriate action.  If you really want to induce change (and overall clarity for this issue), we should be sharing possible solutions as per the discussion I created, rather than making a statement by making MoS edits that simply disregard the current Wikiproject Album conventions completely.

Also with the album ordinals, Wikiproject Albums act as a basic template of what each album article should contain. (Below is a basic guide to writing an article on a specific album of music; this is only a guide and you should feel free to personalize an article as you see fit, though others may change it to fit our standards.) However, editors are free to include other details that are relevant to the article. The ordinals are used in numerous discographies, including those for Radiohead (OK Computer, Kid A, etc.) and Oasis (Heathen Chemistry, Be Here Now), etc.). There's no need to delete them when they provide additional info for readers.

Cheers :-) --Madchester 17:29, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Michael Burns
Mel, I made the Michael Burns article. The discussion pertained to an already deleted, totally irrelevant discussion. Uncivil? You're just looking for reasons to ban me, bud. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tykell (talk • contribs) 18:24, 18 August 2005

On your topic about the validity of votes.
I think it is generally lacking that there is not a way you can see how many people are actually watching an article AND out of those have some kind of weighted value rating about their participation. For example, how long ago they editted, how many edits, etc ... This same rating could be used to see what votes are actually credible. Not to mention that you can't tell if there is an article that 100 people are watching; no point in being 101. Or articles that have been neglected by all editors. I know I should post this on the development mailing list. Maybe I will in due time.--Kim Nevelsteen 17:58, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

your usertalk to me
We went throught this issue a long time ago....

We offer free inserts from the books we publish, which are translated from the German originals AND often used by prestigious universities around the world! Nobody has to BUY the WHOLE book unless they want to.

Lately these excerpt pages - which are used (linked to) by other outlets as well - have had more "sales spiel" added at the bottom of the page...if THAT is a PROBLEM - but NOT the excerpt itself (along with one single link to our primary site) - please advise, and we could easily create SEPARATE "de-commericialized") excerpt pages for our books. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.141.102.25 (talk • contribs) 19:03, 18 August 2005

Eating crow
I said a while back, that it looked like the RfC on Ultramarine had sunk in. I take it back. He's so much worse, I had to file an RfAr against him.

So how are your vandal problems coming? Septentrionalis 18:06, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

 * "no concern to anyone": Mathematics is good for that, and quiet. Genealogy, perhaps? User:Jtdirl  has proposed a compromise for the Style War, so that may go away, Ghod willing. Septentrionalis 20:52, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Category:Living philosophers
This category has been listed on CfD. Perhaps you may tell your opinion here. Thanks. Pavel Vozenilek 04:04, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Ril Group-New Violation-Authentic Matthew
Did I do the the right thing?

--Melissadolbeer 08:29, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Authentic Matthew
Mel, if I'm out of order, I'm ready to apologise. But my action was hardly unilateral. The 'keep no consensus' debate had many keep voters who were suggesting 'merge' (and everything had been merged) or 'rename' - i.e. were unhappy with an article here by this name. Further, if you check the talk page, you will see a fairly extensive debate, in the wake of the vote (and -Ril-'s stupidity), and over a number of days, concerning the possibility of a redirect. A number of people contributed with different ideas - but all were in favour of redirection - and not one for keeping the article as it stood. My action was not unilateral, nor hasty - quite the reverse.

I might add, your protection is highly questionable. There is no revert war here. I redirected two weeks ago - and no-one challenged it. Now one editor, User:Melissadolbeer, has unilateraly reverted it - without any discussion or seeking any concensus - and you have protected her position. I noted her revert some hours ago - but I did not revert it. I was waiting to see what others might say.

I'm not going to enter into a unilateral slug-fest with User:Melissadolbeer - so unless you think others might, please reconsider your action. --Doc (?) 09:58, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry Mel. I realise now why we are disagreeing over the interpretation of the concensus - and why my action looked unilateral. The discussuion to which I was referring has been erased by User:Melissadolbeer - (I'll 'assume in good faith' by mistake?) look at my edits and the discusison in this version (towards the bottom - ss 'a compromise' and 'redirect and protect'). Peace. --Doc (?) 10:59, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Not impressed
I am still finding my feet after a long absence from Wikipedia but frankly I believe you are not in the position to be offering free advice to me about anything. I think you should take a very good look at the way you conduct yourself both as a contributor and administrator. Your conduct in orphaning an image in order to guarantee its deletion is I believe not consistent with propriety.

Further, I remind you that you are obliged not to be exercising your admin powers against those you are in conflict with. But you knew that already, right? So I will do my best to be the best that I can and that will necessarily not include following any advice or edicts from those guilty of the precise conduct of which you falsely accuse others. Physician, heal thyself. And as we say in the USA, step off. Coqsportif 12:40, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

 * It appears that both Coqsportif and Tykell are stalking you and trying to smear your reputation (especially with the nonsense around the VfD for Sturmgrenadier - the charge of bias is silly). Coqsportif, you're quite wrong in claiming he's using his admin powers against those he is in conflict with - the conflict is that he used his admin powers and you disagree. In that case, any admin who disagrees with you is suddenly in a conflict with you and should be recused from using their admin powers. If you disagree this heartily with the current admins, perhaps you should apply to become one yourself, to recitify the exisiting bias. --Habap 14:12, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I was approached to be an admin in 2003 as I recall but it's not really for me, like others I doubt I have the temperament for it. My point is that Mel has behaved in a manner that I believe not consistent with appropriate standards, specifically orphaning images to ensure they are deleted. I invited him, very politely, to examine whether this was appropriate and he had no problem with it. I have a different view, that's all. I make no judgements. That said, when I see the same conduct replicated elsewhere, against others, that concerns me. I have expressed that concern and feel I was right to do so. In the end, this is all a bit of fun - or should be - Mel has observed multiple cases of what he might call stalking and some might think has engaged in it himself (again I make no accusations) and has not lifted a finger to end it. A partial exercise of power ought not be what Wikipedia is about, and I welcome the opportunity to remind Mel of that, whether it effects me or others isn't the point. I'll stand up for others far more enthusiastically than myself. Coqsportif 14:22, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I chuckle to think that someone who edits the pages you have is telling someone else what is "proper". You did, in fact, cast aspersions on Mel's role in Strumgrenadier. Similarly, your comments above are a classic attempt to libel while claiming not to - "some might think has engaged in it himself". That's like saying "some say he is evil, though I do not". Both of you have had disagreements with him and have followed him to at least that page to "express concern" over his "abuse of power". Pick a better target. He'd never heard of SG before the page went before VfD. Look at the votes and comments. There was no consensus. Also, if it is fit to VfD, at least do it properly.... --Habap 14:50, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Far from being interested in libel, I wish to draw attention to actions and let others judge their propriety. I'm not much of a judge anyway, so I'd rather get others' views, including your own. I urge all editors - including myself - to act sympathetically to newbies, to not act arrogantly or with sanctimony, to assume good faith rather than the converse and to use administrator powers only when no personal motive is involved or alleged. I believe the vast majority of admins do a great and selfless job and I salute them, for Wikipedia would be a fiasco without them rather than the great success it has been. So I don't have any complaint about the prevailing way of doing things, I would just like to ensure that everyone is held to that high standard of excellence and propriety. Coqsportif 15:59, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

 * 1) Coqsportif has no interest in the Sturmgrenadier issue; he's just stumbled across it in the course of his fingering through my contributions to find a way of getting at me. If he thinks that my behaviour was in any way unacceptable, he should take it to the Administrators' noticeboard.  He won't though, because he knows full well that my actions were above reproach.  This is simply his way of getting some petty revenge against me because I've opposed him on a couple of articles.
 * 2) Coqsportif is also being disingenuous about the business of the image. I removed it from an article because I though it inappropriate (it's a photo of a faked street sign), and I also put it up for deletion, as I thought it inappropriate more generally.  Coqsportif, despite many explanations, is either unable to understand that simple fact, or unwilling to allow a clear and innocent explanation to interfere with his campaign. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 16:28, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Hey Mel, Coq keeps adding a tag to the Qibya massacre article and calling it an incident. When I reverted him, he said that you would ban me for such behavior.Heraclius 16:56, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Apology
Mel, I meant what I said in apologising for accusing you of championing Melissadolbeer. Whatever the (dis)merits of the article in question, my words were out of order. Sorry. --Doc (?) 23:19, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Oops
Dear Mel Etitis,

I seem to be causing you more problems. I was not attempting to delete anything but rather archive (see earlier edit).

I also believed that Ril ,Doc, etc were simply trying an end run after their Vfd failed. As I am new to Wikipedia, I immediatly asked you if I was doing the right thing.

Question: If a Vfd fails can the article be simply removed by those who failed (by redirecting)?

--Melissadolbeer 03:46, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Please restore article.
Please restore Authentic Matthew by Acjelen for VfD was keep

--Melissadolbeer 04:12, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Beaten to a bloody pulp!
Is it possible to find out if the following are Sock Puppets?
 * 81.156.176.160 (talk • contribs)
 * -Ril- (talk • contribs)
 * 81.156.177.21 (talk • contribs)
 * Doc glasgow (talk • contribs)
 * DreamGuy (talk • contribs)
 * Garrett (talk • Garrett contribs)
 * goethean (talk • contribs)
 * The Rev of Bru (talk • contribs)
 * The Wife of -Ril- (talk • contribs).
 * RonaldTaril (contribs)

In any event they are beating me to a bloody pulp! (see Authentic Matthew)

I have never used a Sock Puppet and I feel I am being bullied by the Ril Group. The Ril group's VfD failed, but that does not stop them from removing the article. --Melissadolbeer 04:51, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

New paragraph on the world-wide Elvis industry
My opponents have repeatedly deleted the new paragraph on the Elvis industry I have written. I think this is not O.K., as I have used a peer-reviewed source, the article by Professor David S. Wall, BA, MA, M.Phil, PhD, Head of University of Leeds Law School and Professor of Criminal Justice and Information Technology. Ted Wilkes has now also removed the Memphis Mafia paragraph from the "Relationships" section. Very interesting indeed. I wonder what is going on there. See Elvis Presley and Talk:Elvis Presley. Onefortyone 15:22, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

 * May I ask you to have a look at the Gavin Lambert article. User:Ted Wilkes has repeatedly, and biasedly, included references in the article that Lambert's biography on Natalie Wood is a gossip book in order to denigrate this source which has lots of positive reviews. This seems to be this user's constant aim. See He has also deleted the passage that there is a homosexual subtext in one of Lambert's films, although I have cited two sources on the discussion page which support my contribution that critics indeed saw this subtext. See  I do not understand the aggressive editing tactics of this user. May I ask you to revert his edits which are violating POV? Onefortyone 19:29, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I have now restored the Gavin Lambert article and added the correct quote from the Guardian review, but I am sure Ted Wilkes will revert it again. Would you please have a look at the article. Thanks. Onefortyone 20:07, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Now he has removed every critical remark from the Memphis Mafia article. Although the Memphis Mafia members themselves state on their website that they stayed with Elvis all day and night, Wilkes has deleted the passage. Onefortyone 20:22, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

 * My opponents are frequently deleting the whole critical paragraph on the world-wide Elvis industry. See Elvis Presley. As far as I can see, there is no consensus to exclude the whole thing from the Elvis article, as has been claimed by Wyss. The paragraph may be rewritten. Somebody else may add more details. But I think it is important to have a critical voice in the article. Wikipedia is no fan site. There is enough gossip stuff on that page. Onefortyone 17:26, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

If it's not bias then why is Sunder deleted? --Tykell 16:50, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Philosophy
As you requested, I'm writing to let you know that I think you behaved wrongly in reverting my edit on the Philosophy page! I didn't think a real philosopher could possibly do such a thing! Zargulon 23:00, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Invitation
Banno 23:17, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

Is there an easy way to collectively tag multiple entries for VfD?
Hi there. I'm looking at the contributions from 68.23.149.212. They're all related and seem to be nothing more than spam for a web site with an Alexa rank of over 1.77 million. I don't think they obviously meet speedy delete criteria, but going through the VfD process for each one individually will take a while. --GraemeL (talk) 22:57, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * No need to reply to this. I got an answer from another admin. sorry to waste your time. --GraemeL (talk) 23:34, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Southern Mindanao languages
Another job for you -- Southern Mindanao languages is a false front for an apparent vanity article. the word Mindanao is used in the context of the theatre, but the article has no relation to linquistics. No history -- one editor. Thank for your help. WBardwin 23:26, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Mel, hi, I noticed the above post and busybodied the problem by userifying the page and posting a message to 203.177.41.253. A rather nice message, considering the sneakiness that WBardwin rightly points to. The article was apparently created by clicking on a redlink in Philippine languages. Bad anon! Bishonen | talk 01:46, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Just so I've got it straight...

 * Category:Billboard Hot 100 number-one singles = good
 * Category:Billboard Hot 100 number one singles = bad

Right? I was changing them all to the former when Omega Wikipedia came behind me and changed them all back (What do you guys have? Robots?). I just weant to make sure I've got this stright to avoid confusion. Thanks. BTW, would you be interested in helpin me cleanup List of number 1 R&B hits (USA) so that it matches List of number-one hits (United States)?--FuriousFreddy 00:49, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Good stuff. I have the basic writeup alomst already done (but it's on a disc in my bag o' stuff--hopefully it's not scratched). And, no, I'm not sure if I'll (I assumed it'd be me, at least) be writing an article for "All I Need" anytime soon. There's not much I can say about it other than Frank Wilson produced it instead of regular Temptations producer Norman Whitfield. David Ruffin still sings lead, he's begging a girl not to leave him, it was a Top 20 hit, etc. I don't have plans to "Mariah" out my Temptations coverage -- once I've got articles for all the classic Motown era albums, I'm done. Those guys had too many records, and I have a job. --FuriousFreddy 22:47, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I was thinking of doing that: redirecting the singles I don't write articles for to the album. Not a bad idea. --FuriousFreddy 10:39, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Copyvio
Hey Mel, could you do me a favor? Head on over to Talk:Hiroshige, and check my and another user's discussions; as is, we think the page is an egregrious copyright violation. If you agree, I would appreciate the current article replaced with Hiroshige/temp. Very barebones article, but public domain. --Maru 04:22, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Good Will Authentic Matthew
There seems to be some good will starting in Authentic Matthew, now that Ril is gone. Could you help us stay on the right track! --Melissadolbeer

Philosophy
Good work on Philosophy - and welcome to the Project. I envy your fluid prose. Are you intending to work on the remainder of the article? It suffers from having been written via a rather heated edit war, and could do with some improvement. Banno 09:33, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

Concerning SC and IC
The validity of a particular theory should not be argued by you in an objective/encyclopedic article. If you wish to address concerns dealing with the validity of IC/SC, you should mention those sources that contest the validity and the grounds upon which they do so. Furthermore, from the literature that is out there, SC is not utterly dependant upon IC. Both arguments can stand on their own, though, as I said, the argument for ID seems a bit more convincing when both are implemented. Your statement is inaccurate in light of the material that is currently out there concerning both theories.

Again, according to the literature, SC can be used by itself to show that there may be an intelligent designer. It cannot be used to debunk evolution as a whole. It can only contest that evolution was by chance and not intelligence. When SC is added to IC, then evolution can be contested. If that is the point you're making, please make that clear and mention that it is in the current literature. Do not write it as if it is your own opinion, which is the way it was phrased the first time I read it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noweek (talk • contribs) 16:07, 22 August 2005

inalienable
so, inalienable is the common accepted modern term to refer to what the founding fathers most likely seemed to have meant in the declaration of independence by 'unalienable'? is that roughly correct? I know I heard a philosophy teacher speak briefly about the confusion these two terms sometimes cause- I think I got them mixed up.

Yameen? 20:08, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Categorical imperative
I'm looking for people to peer review this article, as I have recently rewritten it. Could you take a look at it? --Ryan Delaney talk 21:44, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Language
Should I be telling you here each time I address you on Talk:Language? I can't tell whether you reverted from my second definition of language without reading the talk page. Anyway, I've written even more on the talk page now.

In changing the current introduction to Language, I was following the injunction to be bold in editing; and I had already given some justification for my change on the talk page. If you think I should do something differently, please explain. David Pierce 08:27, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

aol
u might want to becareful with ip bans of aol, aol customers internet is run through aol proxies, and if i remember correctly, they are cycled from user to user depending on login, but dont take my word for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.188.116.68 (talk • contribs) 23 August 2005

Trouble Man (song) --> Trouble Man
Can you do this move (Trouble Man has history)? I'm going ot make a combined article on the movie, album, and single (no need for seperate articles). —Preceding unsigned comment added by FuriousFreddy (talk • contribs) 02:47, 24 August 2005

Criticism of Prem Rawat
Criticism of Prem Rawat Mel - I tried to make a minor edit to this page and found myself unable to draw up the bottom of the screen with the edit/preview buttons. Is that because of the extraordinary length of this article or because it is blocked from editing due to the controversial topic? Just curious -- no hurry about a response. Thanks. WBardwin 05:43, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Language and reversions
From what you wrote to me, Mel, it sounds as if you revert major changes on principle. Your wish to prevent the stirring up of trouble is probably well founded. However, the current introduction to Language was introduced on 12 June, by an unregistered person, with no comment (except possibly an unsigned derogatory remark on the talk page) and no ensuing dispute. I have explained why I think that introduction is inadequate or wrong. My own replacement is inadequate as well, but it is better, in my opinion of course, for the reasons I have outlined. If you disagree, then it seems to me that the appropriate response is to explain your disagreement, rather than to revert from my changes with little indication that you take much interest in getting the article straightened out. I want to get the article straightened out, but mainly I want to understand what people think language is. David Pierce 09:34, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Spoiler
That would also make sense, from a pragmatic point of view. Depends on your logic. But from what I've seen, well, take a few random examples of prominent works of fiction (these should be pretty close to "featured"): Vertigo (film), Brave New World, King Lear--that's the way it's used in these, and in fact all articles I've seen, not that I paid particular attention to it before.

By the way, you have excellent taste in films ;)

Ajshm 16:49, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Commas before final "and."
The Wiki Manual of Style accepts a comma, or no comma, before the final "and," referred to as serial or Oxford comma. Here in the colonies, we have moved to eliminate the final comma in an "and" or "or" string. You are, of course, welcome to do what you prefer; just trying to save you keystrokes. ;-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grika (talk • contribs) 18:14, 24 August 2005

Naming policy on churches
Seems like I've got into a small problem with names on some churches in Norway. You fixed one of them, that the way I'm noticed.

On a small number of articles the names of stave churches are translated. At the same time the norwegian word for the stave church is used as a name for the building. So it would be like translating London Bridge to something else.

What is the correct way to do this? I thought it would be sufficient that the article mentioned what kind of church it was.

Agtfjott 17:29, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Madonna (entertainer)
I just dislike separating one article into 7 or 8 like that. If you want to restore it to what it was, I won't object. --Woohookitty 00:46, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

14th nervous breakdown
Hi, Mel. For reasons that I cannot fathom, I've recently been spending time revising The Emancipation of Mimi, an album I've never heard and don't even want to hear. You've been changing "14th" to "fourteenth" (etc.). It's my understanding the most style guides tend to prefer the former (which saves bytes, always a help in this grotesquely bloated article) for 11th and above, and that WP's own guide implies that either is OK as long as you're consistent (with the usual exception for sentence starts). I've thus reverted your change, ho ho, and am using numerals throughout.

Tonight I've been listening to Gladys Knight and the Pips, yesterday Dinah Washington. More my style. -- Hoary 13:09, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Naming convention for Norwegian places names
Pleased to see you weigh in on the Norwegian pages. We need all the help we can get. There is a great deal of work still to be done. You're invited to join WikiProject Norway if you have a strong interest.

Noted your message on stave churches. We do indeed have a naming convention for Norwegian places names in the English Wiki. See WikiProject Norway which states: "For administrative units and geographical entities, the official Norwegian name is used for the article, with redirects for English names when known. There is no reason to invent new English names."

You suggested, "it's unlikely that one could argue that the Norwegian form is the more common among English-speakers." Actually, one can make a rather compelling argument to that effect. If one checks guide books written in English these days, they use the Norwegian spellings (even the modern Baedeker's has moved to this convention although historically it Anglicized). Its only older English material that has Anglicized the names, and you can often find 3-4 variations of a particular place name in older English literature (One of my favorite examples is Vågå, which appears as Vaaga, Vaagaa, Vaage, Waaga, & Vaga in various older English books. ). So this provides a pretty good reason to stick with the Norwegian spelling unless there is a compelling English usage. Tusen takk for your interest - Williamborg 14:18, 25 August 2005 (UTC) :)

Artefact -> Artifact
Sorry about that mispelling, I'll note that in the future. Thank you. --Freyr 22:07, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Placing users in danger
Mel, FYI, Wikipedia_talk:Blocking_policy. SlimVirgin (talk) 05:55, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Language
Would you please just tell me if you think I am wasting my time thinking about what the Language article should contain? You have reverted from my changes without responding to my justifications for them or to my repeated requests for a reference justifying the version you reverted to. I do not insist that I am right; I seem to agree with you that language should be defined as what people understand it to be; which citable authority defines language as a system of finite arbitrary symbols?

Now you are "tidying", when I think major work is needed even beyond the introduction. Even in the introduction, you seemed to acknowledge that the use of "finite" was ambiguous; why don't you clarify it? Beyond that, the Tolkaappiyam, 200 BCE, is called the oldest surviving grammar, while the work of Panini is said to be over two centuries older. That would seem to mean that the work of Panini has not survived. So how do we know about it? This should be explained. And why is no edition of the Tolkaappiyam listed in the references? I think about these things. Just tell me if I would be better off thinking about something else. David Pierce 07:18, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Tykell
I have made two good-faith attempts to communicate on User talk:Tykell about the unsourced images he uploaded, and later added an unsourced, unrationaled fairuse tag to. You've warned him in the past about vandalism. Is this worth an RFC? Would you support that, or do you feel that he's disruptive enough to warrent summary blocking without the process? The edits in question are:

 * First attempt to communicate
 * His response was to remove the nosource tags and replace them with fairuse without citing sources or rationale:, , , , , , , , ,
 * I responded by explaining the problem on his talk page again, this time with an offer to help sort out the details if he just typed up anything he knew about the images, and revering the images back to their nosource tags.
 * Again without comment or edit summaries, he reverted all of the tags back:, , ,
 * A new twist however, on this edit he claimed a source while reverting:

 * I'll follow up on that.

Still, this is a long an varied history of treating Wikipedia as if he were the only editor. Several of his more abusive images are up for IFD by others: Image:Vaderno.jpg, Image:Kingjameson.jpg, Image:Jameson.gif. Can we stop this drain on WP resoures now? -Harmil 13:11, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Small point to follow up to my message above and your reply on my talk page: I already got word back from the uboat.net admin, who said he'd never heard of this guy, and requested that we NOT use his images. So, that's:
 * Failing to cite image sources
 * Reverting nosource tags without providing a source
 * Failing to communicate in any way
 * Uploading copyrighted material without authorization
 * Explicitly lying about authorization
 * Uploading joke / hoax images
 * All things considered, he seems like a textbook troll to me. :-( -Harmil 18:04, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Yallery Brown
Hello,

Thanks for the tips - I will follow them.

Yallery Brown. 13:49, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Talk:The Eagle and Child
What's the most common, "Bird and Baby", "Bird and Babe", "Bird and the Baby"? - please comment on the talk page, thanks. Alf 18:42, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks Μελ - I've edited to reflect that (and the line sounds better for it). αλ

Place names & M'bilia Bel
Yes, I believe the current version does stike a balance. M'bilia Bel, I'll have to check her out some time, I'm an Angélique Kidjo man myself. Cheers!. -JCarriker 19:42, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

YOUR COMMENTS SUPPORTING THE INSERTION OF INAPPROPRIATE OR FALSE ARTICLE HEADINGS
You continue to interfere with unfounded comments into situations which you know nothing about. Before asserting anything, you need to read and understand Wikipedia policy first. Also, please note User:Onefortyone has violated the 3revert rule at Gavin Lambert. Please use you Administrator power and block this user for 24 hrs. Thank you. Ted Wilkes 23:22, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

List of number one R&B hits
Don't worry about the list that's already there. I'm trying to split apart the list into seperate years (like how the dance and Hot 100 charts are). --FuriousFreddy 11:55, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

To User:Mel Etitis: Your 3 hour block
You first engaged yourself in the interconnected Elvis Presley issue at Talk:Natalie Wood. You then engaged yourself directly in the issue at Elvis Presley through your edit to the article in support of User:Onefortyone as per his 15:22, 20 August 2005 (UTC) request at User talk:Mel Etitis:

 * 11:37, August 20, 2005  Mel Etitis (rv unexplained edits)

you then entered the issue again by reverting another user:
 * 17:46, August 20, 2005 Mel Etitis m (Reverted edits by 129.241.134.241 to last version by BRG)  as seen

The Blocking policy states:
 * "users should not block those with whom they are currently engaged in conflict"

As such, having engaged in the issue, it appears you have misused your powers as Administrator when you placed a temporary 3 hour block on my account. Please refrain from any further such improper action. Thank you. Ted Wilkes 16:41, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

En rules
Thank you for the note - I believe I simply read too narrowly. I agree that the article needs a lot of work of course! Schissel : bowl listen 20:51, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Can you fix the front page? its incorrect
It currently reads:

 * 1) Hurricane Katrina strengthens further to a Category 4 hurricane with winds of 233 km/h (145 mph) and begins moving towards New Orleans, Louisiana, after killing seven people in the U.S. state of Florida.

You should have it read:

 * 1) Hurricane Katrina strengthens further to a Category 4 hurricane with winds of 150 mph and begins moving towards New Orleans, Louisiana, after killing seven people in the state of Florida. Currently it is the second-most intense named storm in the United States since 1851. A mandatory evacuation of New Orleans has been issued for the first time in history and the city sits on average six feet below sea level.

That provides much more insight about the gravity of the situation. And here is the proof: The Most Intense Hurricanes in the United States 1851-2004 with. "The pressure dropped to 915 mb at 6 am. " and the last storm with that level or lower was Hurricane Camille in 1969 at 909. Hurricane Katrina is now the second most intense named hurricane since 1851 in the United States. 71.32.199.15 09:24, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Is it impossible to move that page normally?
The Requested page moves is for pages that are likely to be heavily contested or require admin intervention. Seeing the extant discussion, it's atomic overkill to apply that here. Kim Bruning 11:11, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Roughly following WP:HEC, I am always first BOLD in making an edit, but if I'm reverted I will stop and discuss instead.

 * Actually, AFAICT you only have one person giving reasoned opposition btw, and he can probably be placated with a redirect (which will be created automagically for you). Just go ahead and move the page already. Worst case you get reverted. :-) Kim Bruning 11:27, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

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Blott on the Landscape

Blott on the Landscape is a novel by Tom Sharpe which was first published in 1975. The book was adapted into a 6-part television series of the same name for BBC Television in 1985.

Plot
The story revolves around the proposed construction of a motorway—M101 in the book and the M399 in the BBC series—through Cleene Gorge in rural South Worfordshire—a fictional gorge in a fictional English county.

At one end of Cleene Gorge is Handyman Hall; the home of the politician Sir Giles Lynchwood and his wife Lady Maud Lynchwood.

Sir Giles is secretly in favour of ensuring that the motorway passes through the Cleene Gorge (and is actually the originator of the plan) as it will mean he will be paid the compensation for the destruction of Handyman Hall, which is under a covenant preventing its sale. While superficially pretending to be supportive he takes steps to undermine the inquiry and prevent alternatives being adopted, to ensure the new road travels through the Gorge. By contrast, Lady Maud's family has lived in the gorge for over 500 years, and she is fiercely defensive of her heritage and expects Giles to support her.

Matters are further complicated by their on-going marital problems, including Sir Giles's fetishist infidelity and Lady Maud's wish for children to continue her line (to which Sir Giles is violently opposed); and the actions of Maud's gardener, Blott, a former German prisoner of war who is believed to be Italian. The German Army had become so fed up with Blott that the Nazi High Command decided to get rid of him by assigning him to an Italian bomber on a raid to England. Blott, who had served as navigator—and was not very good at it—made them completely lost and was the only survivor when his plane crashed into a mountain, whereupon he was captured, with his captors believing him to be Italian. Blott is strongly patriotic towards his new home nation and home and fiercely devoted to the Handyman family, Maud in particular. Maud's and Giles's marriage settlement leaves Giles with Handyman Hall in the event of a no-fault divorce but not in the event of death or infidelity, a situation he also seeks to provoke by refusing to co-operate in his marital duties and which Maud sees as a potential solution.

With his military training, and some leftovers of the war secretly buried on the estate, Blott begins a covert campaign including blackmail and wire tapping to scrutinize Sir Giles's activities on Maud's behalf and to undermine the construction of the motorway. He also discovers and aims to foil Giles's plans. In the course of the fight for the Gorge, a picturesque nearby village is destroyed by Blott using a demolition crane to whip up popular opposition to the works. Giles is discovered by Lady Maud and Blott in bed bound by his mistress Mrs Forthby and is blackmailed, as is Dundridge, the official in charge of the motorway construction, and the Hall is quickly converted into a wildlife park in an attempt to prevent the removal of its occupants. Giles himself is finally killed by lions when he is discovered by Blott and Maud trying to burn down the Hall.

As a final resort, Blott concretes himself into his home, located in the entrance archway to the estate, preventing work progressing. Dundridge, frustrated and going rapidly mad with power, demands the SAS are called in to remove Blott. Blott, after repelling their attempts to scale the arch, secretly launches an attack on his own archway for which the SAS is blamed, finally compelling enough public attention to cause the plans to be dropped. Dundridge is imprisoned for his part in the 'attack' and the destruction of the village (in which one person had been accidentally killed), and Maud and Blott (who have fallen in love by this time) marry and state their intention to add to the Handyman family.

Audio book

 * Blott on the Landscape was released as an audiobook in two formats: abridged by Listen for Pleasure read by George Cole (ISBN 1858481538), and unabridged by Chivers Audio Books read by David Suchet (ISBN 0745142036).

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Great Southwest Athletic Conference

The Great Southwest Athletic Conference (GSAC), formerly known as the Golden State Athletic Conference, is a college athletic conference affiliated with the National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics (NAIA). The conference commissioner is Mike Daniels. Conference leadership is shared among the member institutions. Seven of the eight members of the GSAC are Christian colleges located in California and Arizona. Conference teams have won 22 national championships.

History

The Golden State Athletic Conference was formed in the fall of 1986, with Azusa Pacific University, California Lutheran University, Fresno Pacific University, Point Loma Nazarene University, Vanguard University and Westmont College as the charter members. California Baptist University and Concordia University joined the GSAC in the fall of the following year (1987). Cal Lutheran left the GSAC after the spring of 1989. Biola University joined the GSAC in the fall of 1994. Hope International University and San Diego Christian College joined the GSAC in the fall of 1999. The Master's University, joined the GSAC in the fall of 2001. Lewis–Clark State College of Lewiston, Idaho joined the GSAC as an affiliate member for men's and women's tennis in 2016.

Recent years
In recent years, the conference has seen changes with members leaving the GSAC and the NAIA for the NCAA. In 2011 Cal Baptist left the GSAC to join the Pacific West Conference followed by the announcement that Azusa Pacific, Fresno Pacific and Point Loma Nazarene joined Cal Baptist in the PacWest in 2012. Concordia then left to join the PacWest in 2015, and Biola applied to make the same move in 2017. To replace these schools, the GSAC has added Arizona Christian, Menlo and William Jessup (now known as Jessup). Life Pacific joined in 2017 and Ottawa (AZ) joined in 2018 to bring the GSAC to 10 members.

The departures to the NCAA continued into the 2020s, with Westmont departing for the PacWest in 2023 and Jessup, Menlo, and Vanguard all following in 2024. To combat this, the GSAC added Benedictine–Mesa, Embry–Riddle at Prescott and Park–Gilbert, to bring membership back to 8 members. Immediately following these additions, the GSAC announced that it would undergo a rebrand to the Great Southwest Athletic Conference, to reflect its membership now including schools located outside of California.

Chronological timeline

 * 1986 – The Golden State Athletic Conference (GSAC) was founded. Charter members included Azusa Pacific University, California Lutheran University (a.k.a. Cal Lutheran), Fresno Pacific College (now Fresno Pacific University), Point Loma Nazarene College (now Point Loma Nazarene University), Southern California College (now Vanguard University of Southern California) and Westmont College, beginning the 1986–87 academic year.
 * 1987 – California Baptist College (now California Baptist University; a.k.a. Cal Baptist) and Christ College Irvine (now Concordia University Irvine) joined the GSAC in the 1987–88 academic year.
 * 1989 – Cal Lutheran left the GSAC to become an independent (before joining the Division III ranks of the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) and the Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SCIAC) beginning the 1991–92 academic year) after the 1988–89 academic year.
 * 1994 – Biola University joined the GSAC in the 1994–95 academic year.
 * 1999 – Pacific Christian College (now Hope International University) and San Diego Christian College joined the GSAC in the 1999–2000 academic year.
 * 2001 – The Master's College (now The Master's University) joined the GSAC in the 2001–02 academic year.
 * 2011 – Cal Baptist left the GSAC and the NAIA to join the NCAA Division II ranks and the Pacific West Conference (PacWest) after the 2010–11 academic year.
 * 2012 – Azusa Pacific, Fresno Pacific and Point Loma Nazarene left the GSAC and the NAIA to join the NCAA Division II ranks and the PacWest after the 2011–12 academic year.
 * 2012 – Arizona Christian University joined the GSAC in the 2012–13 academic year.
 * 2014 – William Jessup University (now Jessup University) joined the GSAC in the 2012–13 academic year.
 * 2015 – Concordia–Irvine left the GSAC and the NAIA to join the NCAA Division II ranks and the PacWest after the 2014–15 academic year.
 * 2015 – Menlo College joined the GSAC in the 2015–16 academic year.
 * 2015 – Lewis–Clark State College joined the GSAC as an affiliate member for men's and women's tennis in the 2016 spring season (2015–16 academic year).
 * 2017 – Biola left the GSAC and the NAIA to join the NCAA Division II ranks and the PacWest after the 2016–17 academic year.
 * 2017 – Lewis–Clark State left the GSAC as an affiliate member for men's and women's tennis after the 2017 spring season (2016–17 academic year).
 * 2017 – Life Pacific College (now Life Pacific University) joined the GSAC in the 2017–18 academic year.
 * 2018 – Ottawa University–Arizona joined the GSAC in the 2018–19 academic year.
 * 2022 – Westmont announced that it will move to the NCAA Division II ranks and join the PacWest beginning the 2023–24 academic year.
 * 2022 – Menlo announced that it will move to the NCAA Division II ranks and join the PacWest, pending approval will be effective beginning the 2024–25 academic year.
 * 2022 - San Diego Christian College announced they would be placing their athletic department on hiatus for the 2023-24 academic year.
 * 2023 – Jessup and Vanguard announced that they will follow Menlo into both the NCAA Division II and the PacWest, pending approval.
 * 2023 – Benedictine–Mesa, Embry–Riddle at Prescott, and Park–Gilbert announced their move from the California Pacific Conference to the GSAC, beginning the 2024–25 academic year. Saint Katherine also announced they would move from the CalPac to the GSAC at the same time; however, the school ceased operations before they could make the move.
 * 2024 – The GSAC rebranded as the Great Southwest Athletic Conference, beginning the 2024-25 academic year.

Current members
The GSAC currently has eight full members, all are private schools:

 * Notes:

Affiliate members
The GSAC currently has one affiliate members, a private school:

 * Notes:

Former members
The GSAC had twelve former full members, all were private schools:

 * Notes:

Former affiliate members
The GSAC had three former affiliate members, one was a public school and two were private schools:

 * Notes:

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Lurie Tower

The Ann and Robert H. Lurie Tower, a memorial built in 1996 for Michigan alumnus Robert H. Lurie, is located on North Campus at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. It houses a 60-bell grand carillon, one of the university's two grand carillons; the other is housed in Burton Tower on Central Campus. These are two of only 23 grand carillons in the world.

Design and history
The Lurie Tower was designed by Michigan alumnus Charles Moore (AB '47, Hon Arch Ph.D. '92), with structural engineering done by Robert M. Darvas Associates. The tower was dedicated in October 1996. A gift of the Ann and Robert H. Lurie Family Foundation, it has 60 bells. Ann Lurie of Chicago donated $12 million in memory of her husband, Robert H. Lurie (BSE '64, MSE '66), to help fund the construction of North Campus buildings, including the bell tower. Completed in late 1995, the 167-foot (50.9 m) tall tower is a significant landmark on North Campus.

The bronze bells of the Lurie Carillon are lighter in weight than the bells of the carillon in Burton Memorial Tower. They were cast at the Royal Eijsbouts bell foundry in Asten, Netherlands, in the customary proportion of 80 percent copper to 20 percent tin. The North Campus bourdon bell weighs six tons.

Carillonists

 * Margo Halsted (1996 - 2003)
 * Steven Ball (2008 - 2013)
 * Tiffany Ng (2015 - )

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Talk:Tingle (character)

Zelda Games being Remade
"...yet Tingle has been in every Zelda game since his debut in Majora's Mask except for the remake of A Link to the Past that was released on the GameBoy Advance..." Since when has Zelda ever been remade? (Excluding Japan-Only BS games.) Gho g't it 01:58, 9 January 2007 (UTC) # Gho g't it

 * Since 2002's GBA release. 76.226.200.238 (talk) 00:32, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Koloo Limpah
...Koloo Limpah? I have only played Majora's Mask, but I know Tingle constantly says this phrase in that game. Is that true of all of the others? Perhaps it should be mentioned. --Jacqui M Schedler 18:23, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

 * To my knowledge, in Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, Oracle of Ages, and Minish Cap, he has always said this. The Missing Link 22:56, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Sure, he says it all the time - FSA too. Adam Marx Squared 08:35, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Tingle IN TP
Something just recently came up in some Zelda boards, Tingle could be in Twilight Princess, the STAR shop keeper could possibly be him:

http://www.mdtauk.screaming.net/tp-tingle.jpg -The hood -The birthmark -The clock Could we put "some people speculate that the STAR shop keeper is Tingle" in the article? - Luigi128

Well Ill put it anyway - Luigi128

In the February 2007 issue of Nintendo Dream (aka Nindori, see www.nindori.com), Eiji Aonuma says in an interview that the Star Game shopkeeper is indeed Tinkle. (It's on page 16.) The character has a different name (ダンチョウ Dancho in Japanese), but according to Aonuma he is indeed Tinkle. Here's a rough translation:

Aonuma: Also, did you realise that Real Tinkle also lives in the Castle Market?

Interviewer: What?! Are you kidding?

Aonuma: (With a bit of a nasty expression) He's there, isn't he? In the Castle Town. (Laughs)

Interviewer: Maybe... Is he that star man?

Aonuma: That's right. (Laughs) But Tinkle appears in some other games, so here he's not called "Tinkle". But that star man is the result of wondering what a realistic Tinkle would look like, and he's based on a rough sketch that Nakano (Yuusuke Nakano, Main Character Designer) made at the beginning of development.

Interviewer: He looks so cool, it's hard to imagine that he's Tinkle.

Aonuma: He came out of thinking, "What would happen if a really cool guy wore those green clothes?" [In this game] we've taken references from the previous games and made all sorts of changes.

So there you have it. I think this is definitely significant enough to be added to this page. Thorf 20:50, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking there's a more exact match in the Snowpeak Ruins in the form of some of those blurry paintings. Two of them are in the foyer, up the stairs on either side. I don't know if it's intended to be of him, however. Nyperold (talk) 15:40, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

source for Tingle not being back for twilight princess?
Could someone please provide a reference link for the article for the statement "It has been announced that Tingle will not appear in the upcoming The Legend of Zelda: The Twilight Princess, due to poor fan support in the U.S."? I can vaguely remember either Aonuma or Miyomoto talking about Tingle being unpopular in the non Japanese areas, but some quick googling turned up nothing. If nobody can find anything, I'll delete that statement in a few days. --Codemonkey 01:24, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Removed it for now. --Codemonkey 16:27, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I removed it again a while back, and once again a google search shows nothing. Since someone insists on adding it without giving a citation, it is probably vandalism, but A Link to the Past (user) is free to add it again with a  if he really cares that much.

Tingle userbox
You can use it by putting in your name. -- SoothingR(pour) 20:45, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Fan opinion
Should there be anything in this article about the fan community's contempt (and frequent derision) for Tingle, concerning both his *ahem* orientation and the extortionate price of his serivces in TWW? Setokaiba✌≝ 15:32, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, as long as you cite your sources.[[Image:Weather rain.png]] Soothing R  15:54, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Should I put in that I think he's a pedophile...? >_> Gho g't it 02:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)Gho g't it

 * No, do not put in that he's a pedophile. JDub90 01:49, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

NPOV
"Disturbingly tight shorts"? I mean, I know it's an article about a weird, somewhat obscure video game character, but should this be included? Twilight Realm
 * And that's just one issue. The whole thing should be edited for NPOV. I would myself but I can't right now, maybe in a few days. Adam Marx Squared 08:35, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I've dealt with it.--Drat (Talk) 23:20, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * http://gaygamer.net/index.php?id=214 <--- Read this

Appearances Image
Is the image under Appearances (Z18oa-storyzelda.gif) really necessary or appropriate? It seems to be satirical and doesn't really fit with the rest of the section. Also, the pink fairy woman who appears in the last panel isn't mentioned anywhere in the article and only briefly in the Land of the Legend.net reference. If someone can get them, it might be better to have screenshots of the Tingle in the various games. Opinions? Corbo 16:52, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Well, I added it because it's Nintendo's own view on his appearances of Tingle in the Zelda games, satirical or not. That's why I thought it fitting.
 * I made a brief comment on Pingle in the article, just to have it there, though I plan to do a little extra section on 'Tingle characters' a little later on.
 * I'll leave it to you whether or not you find it fitting. Just my two cents why I did. Hyrule 20:52, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I added a note explaining the image. It seems to be alright for now, but screenshots would still be good if anyone can get them. Corbo 09:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Tingle in gay list
Is there any relevance to Tingle being number one on on some dumb list about "gay" video game characters? I'd delete the comment from the article, but someone will put it back again. I'm just wondering if this "info" is really important to know. --SaturnYoshi 03:29, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I've researched this thorougly, and I guess the link can stay. I ran the list through Google News, and various news sources came up with it . I think it deserves at least one mention. —♦♦ SʘʘTHING  (Я)  08:35, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's OR. Nowhere in the games does it actually state that Tingle is gay, so the information is OR. --Zooba 08:09, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

 * See below. I think it's less likely that he is gay, and more likely he is either mentally ill or developmentally disabled. -- 12.116.162.162 19:56, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

 * He's about as gay as Elton John.129.139.1.68 (talk) 20:04, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Fictional Characters With Mental Illnesses
Negative attititudes towards Tingle aside, why in the world is he in the Fictional Characters With Mental Illnesses category? Strictly speaking canonically, he is perfectly sane if not a little obsessed (like you know, a fan) with fairies. Is there any good reason to keep him listed in that category? --Gamehiker 16:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

 * It might be a form of vandalism that has been overlooked. There is nothing to claim that Tingle suffers from any kind of mental illness.  - Saturn  Yoshi  THE VOICES 08:54, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Actual Name In Japanese
It appears as though Tingle's original Japanese name is more like "Tinkle" rather than "Tingle," as the phonetic "gu" does not appear anywhere in his original name. Also, the romanization of the first of the katakana comes out to CHI, not TI. Minor quibble. Edited main page to reflect this. I think it's pretty clear why his name was altered for Western releases. BaronVasDeferens

 * Well, 'ti' would always come out 'chi', but yeah, it's Tinkle. Obviously kind of a pun on Tinkerbell, since he's a fairy-loving green-suited man that doesn't wanna grow up. Still, I'm forced to wonder if there isn't a chinko pun in there..
 * Or just plain Tinkle.. I mean that's.. already both kinda homosexual and a urinary reference. ^_^'  Speaking of the ol' boy's real name, shouldn't the Japanese title of his new game be TINKLE's fresh rose-scented toilet paper rupee land, or whatever, not 'Tingle's? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.72.20.191 (talk) 04:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

The man frightens small children and I have proof
I have a little brother, and he likes to watch me play the Zelda games. When I got to the scene in WindWaker with Tingle in prison, he got spooked and scooted in really close to me. Now, this is the boy who had watched Poltergeist, the Christopher Lee Dracula, The Sixth Sense, and even George Romero's Night of the Living Dead without blinking an eye or losing any sleep, yet after seeing Tingle in WindWaker, he had nightmares for two nights. If there are other accounts of this happening, this should be included here and in the WindWaker article. Bucky 07:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Original Research isn't used on Wikipedia. Takuthehedgehog 17:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Lol! However my sister finds him funny, kinda like in Little Britain. Perhaps such research needs to be broadened before it is of any relevance.Samx 22:23, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Tingle merge
I've taken it upon myself to begin a merge discussion for this character in particular, as he is definitely more notable than that miniature discussion held here earlier. - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:26, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, tingle was even an almost fully playeable charcter in the Wind Waker. The merging request should be removed, he is well over most other recurring charcters in his importance to the story, even ganing his own video game. I personaly like tingle, and find it kinda odd that people go ahead and call him a pedofile. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Djtjj (talk • contribs).
 * I'm deleting the tag, as Tingle is a recurring character in the series and, having received two of his own games, is certainly notable enough. --Zooba 08:13, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Different Tingle
I have edited the Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland section to say "However, due to the way the story plays out and ends, it is almost certain that it is a different Tingle to the one (or ones) in the Zelda series.", but some eejit keeps deleting it.

It is not speculation, it is obvious. The ending of the game, the true ending if one collects everything, has, SPOILERS, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED, Tingle being reverted to his old self, becoming rich, and no longer being Tingle. Couple that with the fact that the Tingle in Majora's Mask is merely a middle-aged man dressed in green due to his love for fairies rather than a magical being which needs rupees to survive, and this is clear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.137.213 (talk) 23:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * So where is this absolutely definite confirmation that Tingle never changes after the events of Rosy Rupeeland, then? And I am no eejit, Mr. Lack of Good Faith. Haipa Doragon (talk) 23:52, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Since the issue of multiple Tingles is already addressed in the article, there is no need to re-add this unless a source can be provided that explicity states it to be the case. `If such a source can be provided, feel free to re-add the information and provide the source. Any attempt to re-add it without a source will be reverted. Rhindle The Red 06:10, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Alright, but can we at least remove the thing which says it explains how he becomes the Tingle seen in other Zelda games, since we don't know for sure that he is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.159.20.27 (talk) 15:39, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
Changed the voice actor from "The Devil" to Unknown.

Krenzer (talk) 04:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Tingle is not an assist trophy!
In the article, it says: 'He also appears as an assist trophy in Super Smash Bros. Brawl.' However the official site has yet to reveal that information:

22:08, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

 * The game has already been released, and it confirms it appearance. --Coreycubed (talk) 23:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Tree species
Tingle is also the name of a number of Australian Eucalyptus tree species (red tingle, yellow tingle, etc.); I've inserted a disambiguation link at the top of the article. Jayen 466 18:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Merge in Balloon Fight DS here
Please take a look before voicing an opinion Tingle's Balloon Fight DS As you can see, it was never officially released, it was given only to Japanese members of Club Nintendo and is basically a permanent stub. It would bulk up this article though and eliminate a stub while not losing any information. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:11, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The release to members of Club Nintendo *was* an official release. I, personally, don't mind if it is merged, but I can't see the point of it.  There is no reason to assume that it will be a "permanent stub", as many of the missing bits *can* be found.  Will they?  Who knows?  But merging a page for the sake of it seems pointless to me... Rhindle The Red (talk) 04:42, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Its not pointless, its part of building a featured topic, so the stubby articles are merged so we have bigger, more comprehensive articles that can be featured. If there ever is any information to come out, it could have its own article again, but that is speculation on my part. For now, it's stuck. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 20:53, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I just don't see how merging a separate, but related, topic makes Tingle any better. It just makes it less focused, to my mind. Leave them separate and work to improve them both would be my suggestion.Rhindle The Red (talk) 04:17, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * But that is the point, is that it can't be improved, there are not nearly enough references, which is the idea behind the merge. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 02:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait. One person (who proposed the idea) was for the merge, one was against it and the merger was never proposed on the TBF page.  How did this happen? TheUncleBob (talk) 17:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I would oppose this merge. If it comes to it, you might be able to get it into a FT as an audited article of limited subject matter, however as there are no minimum length rules when it comes to GA, I would hope that you should be able to properly research the article and get it to that standard - rst20xx (talk) 22:14, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Three people have stated opposition to the merge, while one person is for it. Can we kill this idea now? TheUncleBob (talk) 14:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Does Tingle's Balloon Fight DS have anything that would allow it to have a competent article? - A Link to the Past (talk) 19:14, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd say as more of an article than Zekkyō_Senshi_Sakeburein. There's a pretty decent article already there.  TheUncleBob (talk) 04:11, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Tingle in Phantom Hourglass
Hey, while I was playing Phantom Hourglass I noticed that alought tingle is not in the game as a main character, there is a picture of him at the milk bar in the island you start of in. Jezzamon (talk) 08:01, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Kooloo-Limpah! vs. Kororinpa
Does anyone who speaks/reads Japanese know if there is a connection between Tingle's catch phrase, "Tingle, Tingle, Kooloo-Limpah!" kururinpa (くるりんぱっ) and the Wii game, Kororinpa: Marble Mania Kororinpa (コロリンパ)? Are there any cross-references between Kororinpa and The LoZ series? -Thibbs (talk) 20:16, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Category suggestions

 * Fictional salespeople
 * Humor and wit characters
 * Comments? - A Link to the Past (talk) 07:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Salespeople I can definitely agree with per his roles in MM and TWW, but I'd say, with the sources the article currently has, Humor and wit is too opinionated. Strictly, the best way to back up the latter category is to provide first-party information stating that is his purpose. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 15:25, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Creator of Tingle
Who created Tingle? Well, during this interview by Nintendo of Europe, Kensuke Tanabe (producer of Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland) said that Tingle "was created in a very relaxed manner by a character designer at EAD, who was also in charge of character design of F-Zero and Star Fox." This description would fit with the designer Takaya Imamura, who served as the art director of Majora's Mask and did indeed design the original F-Zero and Star Fox characters (at least the respective articles say so). Furthermore, Imamura's name appears under "Very Special Thanks" in the credits of Rosy Rupeeland. So, is this interview a definite answer on Tingle's creator or would it be too speculative? --Grandy02 (talk) 12:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Definitely too speculative. Unless there's an explicit statement somewhere that confirms this, Wikipedia shouldn't cover it. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 22:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay. --Grandy02 (talk) 13:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Tincle?
What the hey? Shouldn't that be Tinkle? Granted, either way is just an approximation of the Japanese, but clearly, Tinkle makes much more sense as an anglicization than Tincle.76.226.200.238 (talk) 00:23, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * "Tincle" is used in the URL of the "Tincle's House" website, and for a few images . No "Tinkle" there. --Grandy02 (talk) 19:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Games In Which Tingle Has Appeared
Tingle did appear in Four Swords. This needs to be changed in the first paragraph.Thesetrixaintforkids (talk) 18:57, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Main image
The current main image shows Tingle's appearance in The Wind Waker. However, in his own series it seems that they prefer one specific appearance (notably bigger head), as seen in Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland, the recent DSiWare title and the upcoming sequel of Rosy Rupeeland. What do you think, shouldn't the main image rather show this version of Tingle? --Grandy02 (talk) 13:10, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I would say yes. Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 22:28, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Mm, go for it; they're more significant appearances as Tingle's the main character, and they're more recent. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 00:19, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your answers. --Grandy02 (talk) 21:22, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Tingle's Japanese name
According to the article, Tingle is known as Tincle in Japan. It would make sense, since it's Chinkuru. However, it seems the only official sources to back that up are some URLs of nintendo.co.jp. In the Japanese version of Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland, the Punch-Out!! parody boss fight uses the spelling Tingle (screenshot). And one downloadable file on the site of the recent DSiWare title (link) is called "tingle_saver.zip". Well, maybe Tingle is also valid because of rendaku or something (sorry, don't know Japanese)? Anyway, it seems that there is still no definite romanization of Tingle's name in Japan, so maybe we should change the current statement to the following:
 * Tingle (チンクル)[1]

Would that be okay? --Grandy02 (talk) 13:35, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Nobody answered, but I felt so free and changed it. Tingle is the only official romanization used in a game in Japan as far as I know, and this spelling has also been used for the alternate box art of the Japan-exclusive Tingle's Balloon Fight DS. --Grandy02 (talk) 11:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Creation and conception
These two pages at Nintendo's Japanese website might be very useful for the "Creation and conception" section:. Both are parts of in-depth interviews, the first one on Majora's Mask, while the latter one is about Tingle's recent starring appearance Irozuki Tingle no Koi no Balloon Trip. It's entirely in Japanese, but I don't know the language, could anybody translate? The latter page even seems to confirm what the interview I mentioned before implied: that Takaya Imamura created Tingle (a photo of him "dressed" as Tingle is next to Tingle artwork from Majora's Mask). Help, please! --Grandy02 (talk) 13:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Run them through Babelfish Rhindle The Red (talk) 17:26, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks for the link, but online translators such as Babelfish and Google's translator don't help much when translating Japanese. I can't do anything with "The hen which attaches blue swamp balloon to the back we want making the character." And the "text" of the second, more recent page is just images without alternate text (ALT), so I can't even run it through a translator. Only a real translator can help here. --Grandy02 (talk) 18:59, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You don't understand that? Psh... it's clear as day to me!
 * Just kidding. ;p I could probably run those links by a couple friends of mine. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 19:23, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be very nice, thanks! :-) --Grandy02 (talk) 20:47, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * In the latter page, Mari Shirakawa (supervisor of Rosy Rupeeland and Koi no Balloon Trip) said that "チンクルは、もともと任天堂の今村が作ったキャラクター" (translation: Tingle is a character originally created by Imamura at Nintendo) --Kusunose 16:40, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! I added this piece of information to the article. --Grandy02 (talk) 09:47, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

David Jr.
This is ridiculous. Why is David Jr. in the section of "Tingle's Siblings" when the first sentence of his description says he's not related to Tingle at all? Please fix this! Thegargoylevine (talk) 20:52, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

 * You mean his figurine description? The fact is that he claims to be one of Tingle's siblings, and it's the most appropriate place to have him. Similar to adoption, I suppose. —Resound (talk) 20:23, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: pages moved as proposed. I think there's a consensus for the first and a mild consensus for the second/not a consensus for the primary redirect to Paresthesia. If someone wants to open up a discussion about that outside of this, they're free to do so. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:17, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

– The term "tingle" has a strong historical connection to the subject at Paresthesia, which the redirect Tingling sensation targets. For this reason, in addition to the character being notable as well (but not more notable than the concept of the sensation sometimes called a "tingle"), there is no primary topic. (Also, I chose the disambiguator "(character)" for this request instead of "(The Legend of Zelda)" since this character seems to have a video game series independent of The Legend of Zelda.) Steel1943  (talk) 18:43, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Tingle → Tingle (character)
 * Tingle (disambiguation) → Tingle
 * Support per WP:ASTONISH, a Google search doesn't return the character on the 1st page of results but an Images search does. Its not clear how much weight we give to Google since most of those are simply dictionary results but at least we do have Tingle (song) so its not like its the only topic here with this title.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:50, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, per WP:ASTONISH. No primary topic, move disambiguation page to basename. Paintspot Infez (talk) 22:58, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Support well spotted. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:58, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Powerful Support I think every word-named character on Wikipedia must have this!!!! Vaati the Wind Demon (talk) 13:14, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Support first, Oppose second - should be a redirect to Paresthesia Red   Slash  21:01, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Support alternate move to Tingle (The Legend of Zelda) and ONLY that. Make Tingle a primary redirect to Paresthesia. I think it's fine, since the Tingle series is a clear Zelda spinoff.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 04:55, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Agnostic on the proposal but oppose a redirect of tingle to paresthesia. —  AjaxSmack  15:34, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Support first, Oppose second and instead primary redirect to Paresthesia. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:29, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

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Source

 * https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/23698108/tingle-history-legend-of-zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom

A pretty lengthy source about Tingle, if his notability is ever questioned. Sergecross73  msg me  01:26, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

No physical description?
It looks like the recent revisions to the article have left it without a physical description beyond "creepy", "35-year-old" and "green costume". Does this section need to be restored from the old version?

SaidSwans (talk) 09:08, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I mean there's "He is a 35-year-old man who is obsessed with the "forest fairies" known as the Kokiri and dresses up in a green costume". Doesn't really need a lot else?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 15:04, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Tingle is consistently short, pudgy, rosy-cheeked and decked out in Flavor Flav bling, all deliberate and very much a part of his identity. SaidSwans (talk) 12:01, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

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Ralph Earl

Ralph Earl (May 11, 1751 – August 16, 1801) was an American artist known for his landscape paintings and numerous portraits.

Early life
Ralph Earl was born on May 11, 1751, in either Shrewsbury or Leicester, Massachusetts, the oldest of four children of Ralph Earle and Phebe Whittemore Earl. By 1774, he was working in New Haven, Connecticut, as a portrait painter. In the autumn of 1774, Earl returned to Leicester, Massachusetts, to marry his cousin, Sarah Gates. A few months later, their daughter Phebe was born in January 1775. Earl left them both with Sarah's parents and returned to New Haven to continue painting portraits. Earl's wife and daughter joined him in New Haven in November 1776, and they lived there until May 1777, when their son, John, was born. Sarah later attested that this six-month period "was all the time we kept house together."

Career
Like many of the colonial craftsmen, Earl was self-taught, and for many years was an itinerant painter. In 1775, Earl visited Lexington and Concord, which were the sites of recent battles in the American Revolution. Although his father was a colonel in the Revolutionary army, Earl himself was a Loyalist. Working in collaboration with the engraver Amos Doolittle, Earl drew four battle scenes that were made into pro-Revolutionary propaganda prints.

In 1778, he left behind his wife and daughter and escaped to England by disguising himself as the servant of British army captain John Money.

In London, he entered the studio of Benjamin West, and painted the king and many notables. Earl continued painting portraits in the town of Norwich. He later married Ann Whiteside, an English woman, despite the fact that he had never ended his marriage with Sarah Gates. In 1785 or 1786, Earl returned to the United States with his new wife.

Return to America
After his return to America, he made portraits of Timothy Dwight, Governor Caleb Strong, Roger Sherman, and other prominent men. He also painted a large picture of Niagara Falls.

In September 1786, while living in New York City, Earl was imprisoned for failing to pay his personal debts. Even while in jail, he drew portraits of his visitors, friends, and family of the Society for the Relief of Distressed Debtors. He was released in January 1788.

Personal life
Earl probably trained his son, painter Ralph Eleaser Whiteside Earl, and was an influence on his nephew Augustus Earle who is reputed to have been the first European artist to have visited all five continents. Ralph's brother James Earl (1761–1796) was also a portrait painter.

He died in Bolton, Connecticut, on August 16, 1801, at age 50. Alcoholism is believed to be the main cause of death.

Influence
Earl was also an influence on John Brewster, Jr.

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Moosewood

Moosewood may refer to:

 * Acer pensylvanicum, a species of maple known variously as striped maple, moosewood and moose maple
 * Viburnum lantanoides, a species of shrub in the family Caprifoliaceae
 * Dirca, a genus of deciduous shrubs in the family Thymelaeaceae, known variously as leatherwood, moosewood, ropebark and wicopy
 * Moosewood Cookbook, a cookbook authored by Mollie Katzen
 * Moosewood Restaurant, a restaurant in Ithaca, New York, United States

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Dhenkanal district

Dhenkanal district is one of the 30 districts of the state of Odisha in Eastern India.

Geography
Dhenkanal district is one of the centrally located districts in Odisha. It lies between Longitude: 85° 58' to 86° 2' East and Latitude: 20° 29' to 21° 11' North. The nearest airport is Biju Patnaik Airport located at a distance of 52.12 Km. It is bordered by Kendujhar and Angul districts to the north, Jajpur district to the east, Cuttack district to the south and Angul district to the west.

The district comprises mainly plains, however there are several discontinuous hill ranges in the district and along its southern border. The Brahmani River is the main river of the district.

Demographics
According to the 2011 census Dhenkanal district has a population of 1,192,811, roughly equal to the nation of Timor-Leste or the US state of Rhode Island. This gives it a ranking of 400th in India (out of a total of 640). The district has a population density of 268 PD/sqkm. Its population growth rate over the decade 2001–2011 was 11.82%. Dhenkanal has a sex ratio of 947 females for every 1000 males, and a literacy rate of 79.41%. 9.85% of the population lives in urban areas. Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes made up 19.62% and 13.59% of the population respectively.

At the time of the 2011 Census of India, 96.17% of the population in the district spoke Odia, 1.24% Munda, 0.91% Santali and 0.48% Juang as their first language.

Education
Dhenkanal is home to the Indian Institute of Mass Communication, the only institute in Odisha for the study of journalism and mass communication.

Other colleges and schools, universities, and institutes include:
 * Jawahar Navodaya vidyalaya, Sarang, dhenkanal
 * Synergy Institute of Engineering & Technology
 * Indira Gandhi Institute of Technology
 * Dhenkanal College
 * Dhenkanal Law College

Vidhan sabha constituencies
Dhenkanal has four Vidhan sabha constituencies within the Dhenkanal parliamentary (Lok Sabha) constituency. The elected MLAs from Dhenkanal district are:

Notable people

 * Sarangadhar Das
 * Dewan Atharuddin Mohammed Athar
 * Gati Krushna Mishra
 * Nandini Satpathy
 * Kamakhya Prasad Singh Deo
 * Suparno Satpathy
 * Devendra Satpathy
 * Tathagata Satpathy
 * Kalpana Dash

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Sven Wollter

Sven Justus Fredrik Wollter (11 January 1934 – 10 November 2020) was a Swedish actor, writer, and political activist. Wollter is one of the most renowned Swedish actors, he was awarded Best Swedish actor twice. In his native country, he became widely known through his role as Madame Flod's son Gusten in Swedish Television's adaption of The People of Hemsö by August Strindberg in 1966. Later he had several notable roles, including in 1976 when he played Detective Sergeant Lennart Kollberg in Bo Widerberg's film The Man on the Roof. For international viewers, he is best known for his role Victor in the dramatic film The Sacrifice by Andrei Tarkovsky, and for a wider television audience as the retired Detective Chief Inspector Van Veeteren in the cinematic adaptations of Håkan Nesser's police novels.

Biography
Sven Wollter was born in Gothenburg, Sweden. He was the son of editor Kjell Wollter (1884–1950) and Elsa, née Ekwall (1905–1980). After studying at Gothenburg City Theatre's student school 1953–1957, Wollter worked at a number of smaller Swedish theaters such as the Pionjärteatern 1954-1958 and the Bygdeteatern 1959. He was later employed at the National Swedish Touring Theatre 1960–1961, The Norrköping City Theatre 1961–1963, The Vasateatern 1964–1966 and The Swedish Television Theatre 1966–1967. He then returned to The Gothenburg City Theater where he performed 1967–1983, then at the Folkteatern i Gävleborg 1983–1986 followed by The Stockholm City Theatre as of 1986.

Wollter starred in many films such as Andrei Tarkovsky's The Sacrifice (1986), Bo Widerberg's The Man on the Roof (1976) and The Man from Majorca (1984), Colin Nutley's House of Angels (1992), and Bille August's Jerusalem (1996), based on the novel by Selma Lagerlöf. For his roles in The Man from Majorca and Sista leken he won the award for Best Actor at the 20th Guldbagge Awards.

He appeared in television series such as The People of Hemsö (1966), based on the 1887 novel of the same name by August Strindberg, and Raskens (1976), based on the 1927 novel of the same name by Vilhelm Moberg, which helped launch Wollter's career. In later years he has played Van Veeteren in Håkan Nesser's thriller series. He has also been in many plays. Wollter has starred in Hollywood productions such as John McTiernan's The 13th Warrior (1999), in which he played a Viking chief.

Political activism

Wollter was active in the Swedish communist movement since his youth and was a longtime member of the Swedish Marxist–Leninist Communist Party (formerly KPML(r)). His activities included the theatre ensemble Fria Proteatern and the successful Tältprojektet, The Tent Project, a musical theatre performance based on the history of the Swedish working class that toured the country the summer of 1977. In 2018, he received the controversial Lenin Award of 100,000 Swedish krona (about 10,000 euro), a cultural award named after Vladimir Lenin.

Personal life
Wollter had five children; Ylva (1962–1992) and Stina Wollter (born 1964) together with Annie Jenhoff, Lina Wollter together with Evabritt Strandberg, Karl Seldahl (born 1975) together with Viveka Seldahl and the youngest child Magnus together with Maria Lindgren. From 2003 until his death he was married to Lisa Wede.

Death
Wollter died on 10 November 2020, in Luleå, Sweden, from complications caused by COVID-19 which he had been infected by during a visit to Stockholm. Prior to contracting the coronavirus, Wollter was diagnosed with COPD according to his daughter Stina Wollter. He was 86 years old.

Filmography

 * 1959: Rider in Blue as Press Photographer (uncredited)
 * 1966: Hemsöborna (TV Mini Series) as Gusten
 * 1967: I Am Curious (Yellow) as Captain (uncredited)
 * 1968: Jag älskar, du älskar as Sten
 * 1969: Nej (Short)
 * 1973: Ett köpmanshus i skärgården (TV Series) as Janne
 * 1974: Rymmare (TV Movie) as Klas
 * 1975: Gyllene år (TV Series) as Björn Bjurhoff
 * 1975: The White Wall as Kjell Larsson
 * 1976: Raskens (TV Series) as Gustav 'Raskens' Rask
 * 1976: The Man on the Roof as Lennart Kollberg
 * 1978: Strandfyndet (TV Series) as Direktör Sallberg
 * 1979: Linus eller Tegelhusets hemlighet as Daniel
 * 1979: Charlotte Löwensköld as Foundry Proprietor Schagerström
 * 1981: Sista budet as Police Inspector
 * 1981: Kallocain (TV Mini Series) as Leo Kall
 * 1983: Jacob Smitaren as Doctor
 * 1983: Profitörerna (TV Series) as Jarnebring
 * 1984: Sista leken as Viktor
 * 1984: The Man from Majorca as Inspector Jarnebring
 * 1985: Havlandet as Matti
 * 1986: The Sacrifice as Victor
 * 1986: I lagens namn as Jarnebring
 * 1987: En film om kärlek as Peter
 * 1987: Friends as Zeb
 * 1988: Ein Treffen mit Rimbaud as Hinrich
 * 1988: Enkel resa as Johannes
 * 1988: Sweetwater as Doc
 * 1989: Husbonden – piraten på Sandön (TV Movie) as Peter
 * 1989-1991: Tre kärlekar (TV Series) as Eskil Enekrona
 * 1990: Smykketyven as Jan Ström
 * 1991: Menekse Koyu as Kerem
 * 1992: House of Angels as Axel Flogfält
 * 1993: Dockpojken as Fadern
 * 1994: House of Angels – The Second Summer as Axel Flogfält
 * 1995: Alfred as Alfred Nobel
 * 1996: Jerusalem as Stor-Ingmar
 * 1997: Oliver & Company as Sykes (voice in Swedish redub)
 * 1998: The Tattooed Widow (TV Movie) as Erik Sandström
 * 1998: Ögat as Poliskommissarien
 * 1998: Ivar Kreuger (TV Series) as Häradshövding Wallenberg
 * 1999: The 13th Warrior as King Hrothgar
 * 1999: Sally (TV Series) as Rolf 'Roffe' Santesson
 * 2000: Det grovmaskiga nätet (TV Series) as Van Veeteren
 * 2000: A Song for Martin as Martin
 * 2001: Kaspar i Nudådalen (TV Series) as Perols Erik
 * 2001: Återkomsten as Van Veeteren
 * 2001: Kvinna med födelsemärke (TV Series) as Van Veeteren
 * 2001: Kira's Reason: A Love Story as Kira's Father
 * 2002: Suxxess as Sigvard
 * 2002: Dieselråttor & sjömansmöss as Mäster Estragon
 * 2002: Treasure Planet as John Silver (voice in Swedish dub)
 * 2005: Molly i världen as The narrator
 * 2005: Van Veeteren – Carambole as Van Veeteren
 * 2005: Störst av allt as Aron P Johansson
 * 2005: Van Veeteren – Münsters fall as Van Veeteren
 * 2005: Van Veeteren – Borkmanns punkt as Van Veeteren
 * 2006: Van Veeteren – Moreno och tystnaden as Van Veeteren
 * 2006: Sigillet as Vete von Vanders
 * 2006: Van Veeteren – Svalan, Katten, Rosen, Döden as Van Veeteren
 * 2006: Van Veeteren – Fallet G as Van Veeteren
 * 2007: Elias: The Little Rescue Boat as The Royal Yacht (Swedish version, voice)
 * 2009: Gnomes and Trolls: The Secret Chamber (Swedish dub) as Fassa (voice)
 * 2010: House of Angels – Third Time Lucky as Axel Flogfält
 * 2012: Flimmer as Barnard
 * 2012: Samlaren (Short) as Lennart
 * 2015: Våga älska as Piloten
 * 2017: Solsidan as Maurtiz Schiller
 * 2018: Videomannen as Grannen - The Neighbor
 * 2022: The House as Odd Couple Husband

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Anni

Anni may refer to:

People

 * The popular name of Mohamed Nasheed (born 1967), third president of the second republic of the Maldives
 * Anni Anwander, former West German slalom canoeist
 * Anni Daulter, American cookbook writer
 * Anni Dewani (1982–2010), Indian-Swedish female murder victim
 * Anni Domingo (born 1950s), British actress, director and writer
 * Anni Lanz (born 1945), Swiss human rights activist

Places

 * Anni, India, or Ani, a subdivision of Kullu district, Himachal Pradesh, India
 * Anni Assembly constituency
 * Ani, Iran (disambiguation), places in Iran

Film

 * Anni (1948 film), an Austrian-German film directed by Max Neufeld
 * Anni (1951 film), a Tamil film directed by K. S. Prakash Rao
 * Anni (TV series), a Tamil TV show written and produced by K. Balachander

Fictional characters

 * Anni, a character in the puzzle game Baba Is You

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Talk:Blott on the Landscape

Help needed!
As I only have the DVD and not the book, I need help with some of the spellings of names and places. Screenshots coming soon though! Thanks for any help. David 18:27, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Screenshots now done. David 20:04, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Location
''It could be that the actual story is based on the proposed construction of a motorway through the South Shropshire area, something that has been proposed various times (to link the West Midlands conurbation with the Welsh tourist resorts). So far no motorway has been constructed through the area (though not because of anything the book or film portrays).''
 * Does this mean that in the Tv series, it's set as well as filmed in Shropshire? --JBellis 11:39, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No, but the story could have been written with South Shropshire in mind. Filming it there certainly was a good choice as it is very similar to the setting given by the book.

It's my understanding (and I need to do a little more research) that Tom Sharpe was at Lancing College (Sussex) during the war and the whole school was evacuated to Shropshire for safety (I think it was Moor Park near Ludlow - again, more research needed). My informant (who was a contemporary of Sharpe) recalls that Sharpe spent a lot of time off exploring the countryside around Ludlow and that Handyman Hall is definitely based on Downton Castle in Downton Gorge. --Bill Philips 12:35, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Surely they used the old town hall / market hall in Ludlow, rather than the Buttercross?92.21.170.244 (talk) 15:56, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Yep, have fixed this now. IMBD is wrong on the matter. David (talk) 18:29, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Film???
I'm confused by the reference to the series as a "film". Afaik the series was only ever shown as a 6-part serial in the UK. Is there a shorter TV Movie version? If so I don't see how they could possibly cram in all of the series' plot points into a couple of hours without massively confusing the audience. Lee M 17:51, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

No, there's only the BBC TV Series. --Bill Philips 13:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Specterzero

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The result of the debate was ALREADY SPEEDIED, but not by me. -Splash 02:11, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Specterzero
No real assertion of notability, but probably borderline for speedy. Has won nothing, has no real significance in the field as far as I can tell. "Plays some games" does not an encyclopedia make. Shimgray 18:27, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I see Paul Klenk has attached a speedy to this article. I happen to agree with a speedy delete under WP:CSD Articles 7.  The article has a nice attempt at Notability By Association by listing people who have won apparently-significant video game tournaments in its See Also section.  However, the subject of this article can only make an unreferenced statement of being a "prominent member of video game community".  That isn't enough for me. Sliggy 18:48, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Talk:Anti-radiation missile

Countermeasures
"Smart SAM operators learned to turn their radar off when an ARM"

 * Supposedly they also ran microwave ovens elsewhere with the doors permanently detached as decoys. Not sure if this is an urban legend or not.  — Omegatron 18:28, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

 * This is true, but not like that. Microwave magnetrons were removed and a rotating focusing dish used to simulate radar rotation with car batteries providing power. During the Kosovo war, Serb forces used extensive decoys, wooden frames covered in tin foil with a heat source inside to simulate tanks, rotating microwave ovens to simulate SAM systems and so on. NATO pilots knew it was probably a decoy, but they couldn't take a chance at it so they were under orders to engage even suspicious equipment. Not an urban legend, there used to be videos of such attacks on YouTube a long time ago, not sure if they're still there. 99.237.42.98 (talk) 17:00, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

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"Some SAM systems utilise huge missiles which are able to accelerate up to incredible speeds (some as high as Mach 10), which means that if the ARM is to be useful in a 'duel' between an aircraft and a SAM site, the ARM should be able to fly to and hit the SAM site faster than the SAM can fly to and hit the aircraft." - Doesn't it depend on how soon the SAM can *launch* rather than how fast it can fly? Hitting the radar doesn't save you if the SAM is already on its way. - Richardcavell 02:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

 * It would depend on the tracking systems used by the missile in question. If it is dependent on guidance from the launcher unit, then destroying the tracking radar on the ground would render the missile unguided.  If it has it's own guidance radar, or an Infra-Red tracking unit, then you would have to use countermeasures and evasive action to avoid the missile, but you could at least prevent more missiles from attacking you in succession.  Also, the primary mission of a SEAD aircraft is often to defend other aircraft; their own survival isn't quite as important.--Raguleader 20:17, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

 * No, it depends on the flight time of the ARM. Detection time is equal, ie the SAM complex detects the Fighter at the same time the Fighter detects the SAM complex. So the thing which matters is, will the ARM fly fast enough to kill the SAM detection equipment before the SAM can be guided to the Fighter. SAMs are guided by ground equipment, if you knock out the ground equipment with ARM before the SAM strikes you, you have a higher chance of survival by engaging ECM. Also in question is the ability of ground SAM complex to engage the ARM itself either with projectiles or with missiles such as the Tor M1 which is designed to hit missile profile sized targets (tests included baseball sized metallic sphere at 11km) as well as upgraded Soviet Shilkas which have radars capable of tracking missiles and thus provide a CIWS protection level to larger SAMs, a faster ARM would be harder to hit. 99.237.42.98 (talk) 17:00, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

AMRAAM as ARM
Either the definition in the first section needs to be changed or the AMRAAM shouldn't be mentioned, because the AMRAAM in HOJ mode does not home in on the emissions of the enemy's radar but of its radar jammer. - Dammit 11:21, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Such things as multimode operations of missiles are irrelevant here, and you are just being dumb in harping on such things.98.67.110.201 (talk) 18:23, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Update-marking for section Air-to-Ground
Some IP to add an update-marking. I found the following hidden remark: "Cluster bombs have been been outlawed by treaty, the tactics here are no longer relevant." -- Tomdo08 (talk) 23:19, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

The correct spelling is "antiradiation" missile
The correct spelling is "antiradiation" missile. You can see this spelling in numberous Wikipedia articles by searching for the article on "antiradiation missile" and just look for the many article in which this appears, such as in the High-speed antiradiation missile. The name "antiradiation missile" should at least link directly to this article. There are also hundreds of other words that start with "anti" and with no hyphen.98.67.110.201 (talk) 18:20, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

 * That appears to be somewhat of an ENGVAR issue, as many reliable sources and company product pages use the hyphen. Point taken about redirects, and I've created it. - BilCat (talk) 18:29, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

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