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Andrevan
Final (50/10/1) ending 02:27 September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Last time I put myself up as a potential bureaucrat, over 9 months ago, consensus was, Wikipedia does not need to enlarge the bureaucrat pool. Though my nomination failed, I think the aftermath (which you can read in the Talk:RfA history somewhere) enhanced my understanding of the thin line between a failed nomination and a successful one.

Anyway, here I am again. What has changed? Well, aside from the personal growth that a person such as myself can experience in 9 months, there has been a MediaWiki upgrade. Bureaucrats don't just end RfAs anymore - now they handle Changing username as well! Apparently there can be seen a fair number of requests there now that have not yet been fulfilled. I think I could help out with that, and maybe do some RfAs when the other bureaucrats are busy. I believe that adminship isn't a big deal; bureaucratship even less so.

Here's my old nomination. Thanks! Andre ( talk ) 02:27, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

 * I know this nomination is just getting started, but I just wanted to say a huge "thank you!" for all the kind words on this page. You flatter me. Andre ( talk ) 17:48, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Support
 * 1) Given his history of successful dispute mediation and successful adminship, Andre's a fine choice for overseeing a consensus and as such, dealing with the overflow of RfAs--which may or may not exist. D. G. 02:45, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Support Yes. Consise answers too Ryan Norton T
 * 3) Support Although Cecropia seems to be doing most of the RfA stuff (I'm helping too ;)), we seem to have a backlog of name change requests. In other words, why not? You're a good editor and admin too, so I'm sure it'll work out. —  Ilγαηερ   (Tαlκ)  02:51, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) No reason not to have another few bureaucrats. Andrevan's a trusted editor and is very deserving of the honor. — Dan | Talk 02:56, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) Support Seems like a good admin deserving of bureaucratship, and he has been here long enough to know the ropes.Amren (talk)  03:08, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) Strong support. Absolutely. Great guy, and great administrator. Frankly, I think people who say "we don't need more bureaucrats" are unoriginal. Who cares? If the person is worthy, then I say give it to him or her. Andre is fully suited to the job of bureaucrat. Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 03:10, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * 7) Strong Support The best answers to any questions on a RfA or RfB. Unequivocal support from this user, who is:  Bratsche talk  5 pillars 03:15, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * 8) Support.  Worthy.  I have a lot of trust in him.  I think we need a couple more; we keep growing.  Antandrus  (talk) 03:19, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 9) Support. A fine contributor and admin. Thunderbrand 03:45, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * 10) Support. An enormously responsible, intelligent, reasonable, and dedicated person who can only do more good for Wikipedia the more options are made available to him. It is not he who has to live up to this responsibility, it is this responsibility that has to prove it is worthy of him. (... Whatever that means.) -Silence 03:53, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 11) Support, Responsible and trustworthy. K1Bond007 03:56, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * 12) Strong support Everything has been said, I only regret that I can only vote once. Tony the Marine 04:02, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * 13) Support He does what needs to be done in a professional manner, notices what needs to be done, AND when it does get done. Comic 04:11, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 14) Support. My full support, worthy. Func( t, c, @,) 05:07, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 15) Support. Andre is a good person and a highly competent administrator and editor; I believe he is more than capable of being an excellent bureaucrat as well. A fine Wikipedian. αγδεε (ε τ c) 07:00, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 16) Support. whee - my first ever Bureaucrat-support vote! One of the few I would vote yes for as Bureaucrat, too. Grutness...  wha?  07:22, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 17) Support I need not repeat the above reasons (responsible, reasonable, etc.). Grumpy Troll (talk) 14:25, 27 August 2005 (UTC).
 * 18) Support. I've found Andre to be a level-headed decent guy, and I believe there's no reason to make such a big fuss about these things. I can't remember if I asked to be notified, but I'm grateful I was. Johnleemk | Talk 14:47, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 19) Nothing but positive experiences. El_C 18:13, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 20) Support. Capable admin. -Willmcw 18:27, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * 21) Support. WAS 4.250 18:47, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 22) Support. No reason to oppose. Adraeus 19:02, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * 23) Moderately strong Support. I wasn't quite sure about the picky answer, so I questioned Andrevan with a fairly difficult hypothetical situation on irc. He gets an A ;-) -- Kim Bruning 19:40, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 24) Support. I'm satisfied.  Kelly Martin 19:57, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * 25) Support! - I think those comments on those oppose votes is enough --Phroziac (talk) 21:10, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 26) Support Andre is an extremely responsible person who I'm happy to call my friend. I know the time and effort he puts into helping to make wikipedia such a great place, and he deserves this. Zchangu 21:31, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 27) Support Would make a great bureaucrat Tuf-Kat 22:56, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * 28) Obviously. Neutralitytalk 00:08, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * 29) Support. I trust him to handle the position with good judgment. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 02:00, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 30) Merovingian (t) (c) 02:25, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * 31) Support. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 11:26, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 32) Support. Great admin. Very worthy contributor. Full support. Jacoplane 16:37, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 33) Support. My pleasure. SlimVirgin (talk) 23:11, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * 34) Strong support I was debating not voting so *someone* would be neutral enough to close it, but I couldn't let such a great editor pass by without my vote. Pakaran 21:52, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 35) Support- great editor, would make fine bureaucrat. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 23:42, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 36) Support. We need some more bureaucrats, and you're a great candidate.   ral  315  05:24, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * 37) Support. JuntungWu 12:39, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 38) Support. Regarding the two issues raised below, I believe the campaigning was done in good taste, addressing people who are familiar with Andre's work. The alleged "newbie biting" was, in this case, just what was needed. Owen×  ☎  16:36, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 39) Support - you are met by my standards. I've seen yu around and liked what I've seen. --Celestianpower hab 23:16, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 40) Support. Great Wikipedian. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:53, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * 41) Support =Nichalp   «Talk»=  04:45, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * 42) Apoyo! A great wikipedian.....and if you don't know what "apoyo" means in Spanish,, then look at the list under which Im putting my vote and you will...:) hehe! Antonio shaken, not stirred Martin 12:31, August 31, 2005(UTC)
 * 43) James F. (talk) 14:41, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 44) Enjoy your bureaucracy!   Ingoolemo   talk  20:16, 2005 August 31 (UTC)
 * 45) Support He has proved himself to have sound judgement, and will be a competent and useful bureaucrat. Giano | talk 06:51, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * 46) Support. I suppose I should eventually list my standards somewhere in my userspace, but in any case he meets them.  --Alan Au 09:30, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * 47) Support. No reason to oppose.  --  user:zanimum
 * 48) Support --Saluyot 01:50, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * 49) Support. --Lst27  ( t a l k )  17:20, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * 50) Support. Sam Hocevar 16:49, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Oppose.  Andre, I don't know you well, so maybe today is an aberration, but in the last few hours you have done two things that I find distasteful: newbie biting   and ballot stuffing .  I feel somewhat bad in opposing, because I think you probably are a pretty good guy, but I also think we ought to expect the highest standards of behavior from bureaucrats.  Dragons flight 04:10, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * While I appreciate your feedback, I respectfully don't feel that I was doing either. My vote on that RfA was merely a statement of fact, and was not intended to be mean in any way. I welcome many new users and answer many new user questions, and always do so in accordance with Please do not bite the newcomers. As for ballot stuffing, if you'll take a look at User:Andrevan/Archive4 you can see that many of those who voted on my previous nomination requested to be notified when I ran again. I extended this notification to some others who have interacted with me more recently. Andre ( talk ) 04:24, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * I count 5 people asking to be notified on that page (plus one for Func below). You informed them and 14 others plus one wiki project.  Had you posted a big flashing banner on your user page, I wouldn't have objected.  If you had campaigned at the Village Pump, I would have thought that overkill (and a little silly), but of no real harm.  Instead your actions have the appearance of rounding up your friends in order to get yourself elected, and I strongly believe no part of Wikipedia should boil down to that kind of popularity contest.  If you did not intend this to be the effect of your actions, then I am sorry, but again I believe in high standards here.  On the other issue.  A 4 day old newbie has no credible place as an RFA, you know this.  You could have removed the RFA and nicely explained to the newbie what was wrong, like I did.  Instead you chose to be strongly critical, without so much as an example of how he ought to behave.  To your credit, after going through the last 45 days of your User talk edits, I do see a half dozen or more newbie welcomes, but I am still left to wonder why you were so blunt with a clearly inappropriate RFA.  I will think about this more, but right now my vote stays oppose.  Dragons flight 05:23, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Regarding the notifications, I really don't have anything else to add; I informed users who had explicitly expressed interest in voting and other users who I thought would be interested. Make of that what you will. As for the RfA, when I investigate potential admins I do so in a certain order, and when I encounter something that disqualifies I cease investigating. Essentially, I only got as far as the questions and the edit count, and then voted Oppose. I did not read that much into it, and, as far as I know, I did not say anything inflammatory; I merely voted as I do on many RfAs. In my experience, newbie-biting usually takes the form of a nasty remark, often accompanied by a personal attack. I merely stated the facts, and no harm was meant by my vote. Anyway, I respect your opinion and your feedback. Andre ( talk ) 05:47, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * What you're referring to is not ballot stuffing, it's campaigning. And the second instance is hardly what I'd call "newbie biting," either, considering that everything he said was true and he didn't say anything particularly insulting. At worst, he didn't go out of his way to randomly compliment the guy. But, that's just how I see it; if you find what he did that unappetizing... It just seems trivial compared to all the months of fantastic work. -Silence 04:42, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I would just like to interject that I recently told Andrevan that I would support a new bureaucrat nomination for him if he were still interested, so his bringing the nom to my attention was entirely appropriate and appreciated. Func( t, c, @,) 05:07, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I think maybe Andrevan bit that newbie just a little, but it's no big deal, and won't affect my vote. Remember, blunt comments can sound very rude over the internet to people, since there isn't much for non-verbal communication. And, I see no problem with a little campaign. Had he gone through Special:Listusers with a bot (or without, if he wanted to follow policy on WP:BOT!), and spammed everyone on wikipedia about it, I would oppose. Or even anything anywhere near that! --Phroziac (talk) 21:10, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose While you have everything else going for you, you don't usually include explanations when you vote on RfAs, especially when it comes to opposing. (See Casito's nomination). It would be one thing if 10 people opposed because it would be assumed that you opposed for the same reasons. But in Casito's nomination, you were the first person to oppose, and you didn't give Casito any idea why. RfAs are about consensus. Consensus doesn't just mean having 80% of the support votes. It means having a common idea of a person's capabilities. You provided no opinion on how that person would do as an administrator. Bureaucrats sometimes have to make difficult calls in close nominations. If you can't explain your reasoning, you might not be ready for bureaucratship. Acetic Acid 08:08, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * When I don't explain my RfA votes, and I'm not just agreeing with everyone else, it's because I don't want to offend anyone. I do have reasoning, but I can't think of a way to phrase it non-offensively. This was the case with Casito's nomination. I can certainly understand that you would oppose because of this, though, and I appreciate that you took the time to explain it! Andre ( talk ) 17:43, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Somewhat agree, but I don't think that's a reason to deny him bureaucratship! --Phroziac (talk) 21:10, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * But what happens if a nomination is a really close call? Your decision could offend not just one, but a lot of people. If you give a good reason, it will lessen the blow. And Phroziac, less than 10% of the voters are opposing him. I doubt he won't be promoted.  Acetic Acid  ( talk  ) 14:27, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * The difference is, as a bureaucrat, I am merely interpreting others' views, and as such am not responsible for offending. When I vote on an RfA, I am bringing my own opinion to the table. Andre ( talk ) 17:59, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * But think about a really close RFA, like Lucky 6.9's. The comments on the RFA discussion page are still fresh. Bureaucrats began second-guessing each other and changing each others' decisions. Whenever someone made a decision, they followed it up with a thorough explanation. Would you be capable of doing that as a bureaucrat? Acetic  ' Acid  09:52, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * Of course. Bureaucrats don't express their own opinions, they interpret the opinions of the community. That is not something I have trouble doing. Andre ( talk ) 18:15, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * Also, please note that I was not the only Oppose on Requests for adminship/Casito. Andre ( talk ) 02:27, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * But you were the first to oppose. As I mentioned above, if there were six or seven oppose votes before yours, and they explained their reasoning, it would be assumed that you are opposing for the same reasons that they are. But as the first, you should have said why Casito wasn't worthy. I respect the fact that you wish to remain civil, but it's only fair that the candidate understands why Andre doesn't want them to become an admin. Would you mind explaining here why you opposed Casito? If Casito reads this, please take no offense from Andre's reply. I want Andre to be completely honest. Acetic  ' Acid  10:18, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * OK. I had a less than flattering opinion of Casito because of the Pope chart formerly on his user page, the way he endorsed on Requests for comment/Dai Grepher, and the trollish nominator, User:Wiki brah. It seemed to me based on these and my further examination of messages Casito had left on talk pages that he was a somewhat pompous and foolish individual. Sorry, Casito - I've attempted to word this explanation as gingerly as possible. Andre ( talk ) 18:17, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose; while I'm sure Andrevan is a solid admin and contributor, I'm sorry say that I haven't seen or heard much of him. The only thing that comes to mind is his "Defending the Status Quo" proposal, which I found not particularly impressive. I'm familiar with at least half of the adminship candidates, so I'm reasonably sure that I know quite a lot of Wikipedians. So for bureaucratship, I wouldn't support one that I don't know. Radiant_ >|< 10:54, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that wasn't my best work. Andre ( talk ) 17:43, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Posting solicitations for votes to specific users is liable to skew the vote into something not representative of community opinion. I'd be happy to support a next RfB, I'm sure plenty of people will vote without notification. --fvw *  02:48, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose, pimping for votes is not conduct becoming of an admin, let alone a bureaucrat. Proto t c 09:55, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Oppose. I am concerned because I am not convinced that Andre will maintain appropriate judgement in the face of difficult decisions. I have seen little of his activity, so I recognise that my opinion may be unfair, but his recent explanation of unexplained oppose votes tips my uncomfortable neutrality into opposition. Bureaucratship is high-profile decision-making.  Andre appears to recognise that he cannot always explain the unpalatable without being offensive: This is not what I seek in a bureaucrat. —Theo  (Talk) 16:36, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd like to clarify this a little bit. It's not that I can't explain the unpalatable, it's that my unexpressed opinions on certain RfAs are inherently offensive, e.g. "This user acts like an idiot," and so on. I would never say that to someone's face, and as such I would never say it in an RfA. I value respect and civility. That is not at all analogous to gauging consensus in the face of a difficult decision and breaking it to the user in question, which I have no problem doing. Andre ( talk ) 18:15, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that the only way to explain oppose votes is to offend someone? You could simply say, "not enough experience," "too few edits," or "user is uncivil." And so forth. English (as well as other languages) are broad enough to allow you to explain the same thing different ways using different words. Acetic  ' Acid  20:02, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * I do explain many oppose votes in that fashion. However, when a user hasn't done anything specific, and my only grounds for opposing are insulting, I merely list my name in the oppose column. If I give any more specific examples I run the risk of offending users who I have opposed without reasoning. Andre ( talk ) 20:09, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * Why not just link a few diffs and say the user should pay more attention to WP:CIV? Not a nice thing to hear, but a lot better than an unexplained oppose. --fvw *  00:26, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * I think you misunderstand. In the occasion of a user where I can find nothing specific wrong, no violations of policy, but I nonetheless feel the user is in some way not fit for adminship, and my reason for thinking this is one that the user would find insulting and/or offensive (ex. the user says stupid or inane things), I will oppose without a reason. This is in no way related to what I would do as a bureaucrat. Andre ( talk ) 00:53, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * There's more than being a good wikipedia editor than just following all the rules though. The proper temperament with handling new users is required too, and you can follow all the rules and still have bad style of interaction with others. There's no harm in indicating that, I seem to recall that was one of the reasons for opposition against my first RfA. --fvw *  01:07, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * But there have in the past been users who have been fine in every respect, except they just rubbed me the wrong way with some of the things they said and did. I do not feel comfortable with these people as admins, but they haven't done anything wrong, per se. Andre ( talk ) 01:13, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * If someone is fine in every way but comments they make rub you the wrong way you shouldn't be opposing them. We all have things that annoy us, but that's not a valid reason for opposing such a person's adminship. --fvw *  01:41, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * It most certainly is valid! If comments made by an editor suggest to me that the editor is an idiot, that is a valid reason to oppose. I would not state that as a reason though: it is inherently offensive. Andre ( talk ) 01:44, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * If you have reason to doubt the editor's soundness of judgement there's nothing wrong with saying that though. NPA should never prevent you from saying something relevant to the discussion, it merely restricts inflammatory comments (otherwise "user marks stuff for speedy that isn't a CSD" would be a personal attack too). --fvw *  01:50, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't necessarily doubt his/her soundness of judgement. I doubt his/her intelligence, or sanity, or something else. That's an attack any way you slice it, and I fear I may offend everyone I ever voted oppose on without a reason if I elaborate further. Andre ( talk ) 02:02, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * As long as their judgement is sound, what does it matter if they're loopier than a gooseberry? In the end, it's their judgement that matters. --fvw *  02:07, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't trust loopy individuals in positions of responsibility, and I don't think it's unreasonable for me to feel this way. Regardless, none of this has any bearing on what I would do as a bureaucrat... I have no trouble making decisions that might upset people, as long they aren't ad hominem. Andre ( talk ) 02:11, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * I think always being willing to explain your decisions is an important characteristic for a bureaucrat, but we're obviously going to have to agree to disagree and this indentation is getting awful narrow anyway. --fvw *  02:33, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Indeed, and I do appreciate your feedback. As a bureaucrat, if I become one, I will always explain my decisions. Luckily, my personal opinions of users will not come into play, as a bureaucrat. Andre ( talk ) 02:36, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that someone who is able to show restraint, and not post offending comments is an ideal candidate. Sometimes stupid propositions get made here, and I feel it is a good thing that Andre simply opposes instead of pointing out how stupid the matter being voted on is. Are you really opposing his bureaucratship because he has offensive thoughts that enter his mind, which he then decides not to use in an offensive manner? Jacoplane 00:41, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the support, Jacoplane. Andre ( talk ) 00:53, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * It's cool that he wishes to remain civil, but many take constructive criticism from those opposing. Look at Andre. He's changed from his last failed nomination. He's improved. I just wish he would offer criticism to the people he opposed. It's possible to do it in a peaceful manner. Acetic  ' Acid  10:18, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 04:53, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose. Again, as with my votes on other bureaucrat nominations, this is not at all personal. Just not conviced this addition is needed at this time. The case has just not been made, and I am also share the concern others expressed about pushing the nomination. Jonathunder 21:40, 2005 September 2 (UTC)
 * 3) Oppose. I think Andrevan is an excellent contributor to Wikipedia, but respectfully the candidacy as it is presented here does not project enough of the type of leadership and due diligence I feel Wikipedia's community has come to expect of bureaucrats. --HappyCamper 01:33, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) Oppose per Acetic Acid. Christopher Parham (talk) 05:44, 2005 September 3 (UTC)

Neutral
 * 1) Neutral, but not so much as to only be a comment. The 'ballot-stuffing' should have been unnecessary. A few, such as Func had requested notice, so that's of course ok. But this is not, or should not be, an election where you need to "get the vote out". It should happen naturally or not at all. -Splash 16:45, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Comments

Neutral 'till my picky followon question is answered below. (And yes I realise that at some point it might be my turn :-P ) Kim Bruning 11:25, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
 * 1. Have you read the discussions on when to promote and not promote? What do you understand the criteria for promotion to be?
 * A. Consensus. 80% generally, as well as a sizable amount of interest in the nomination, or between 75-80% in cases where consensus is clear despite the numeric gap. Sock puppets may be discarded if the vote is close, and so on.
 * This is a bureaucrat vote so I get to be really picky for once! (yay!);-) Is that Consensus or 80% ; is that Consensus := support>80% ; is that something else? Kim Bruning 10:07, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It's, one way of measuring consensus can be support>=80%. 74% and a lot of votes, "strong" supports, and weak opposes can be consensus as well. There's no hard and fast way to do it, but that's part of a bureaucrat's job. Andre ( talk ) 17:37, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * 2. How would you deal with contentious nominations where a decision to promote or not promote might be criticized?
 * A. Contentious nominations aren't special; they also must meet consensus. If it is close, I will suggest an extension of a day or two.
 * 3. Wikipedians expect Bureaucrats to adhere to high standards of fairness, knowledge of policy and the ability to engage others in the community. Why do you feel you meet those standards?
 * A. I submit my edit history for your approval, readers of this answer. I feel I have shown myself to be a solid admin and contributor.


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Alt attribute

The alt attribute is the HTML attribute used in HTML and XHTML documents to specify alternative text (alt text) that is to be displayed in place of an element that cannot be rendered. The alt attribute is used for short descriptions, with longer descriptions using the longdesc attribute. The standards organization for the World Wide Web, the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), recommends that every image displayed through HTML have an alt attribute, though the alt attribute does not need to contain text. The lack of proper alt attributes on website images has led to several accessibility-related lawsuits.

The alt attribute is used to increase accessibility and user friendliness, including for blind internet users who rely on special software for web browsing. The use of the alt attribute for images displayed within HTML is part of W3C's Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG). Screen readers and text-based web browsers read the alt attribute in place of the image. The text within the alt attribute substitutes the image when copy-pasted as text and makes images more machine-readable, which improves search engine optimization (SEO).

History
The attribute was first introduced in the HTML 1.2 draft in 1993 to provide support for text-based browsers. In HTML 4.01, which was released in 1999, the attribute was made to be a requirement for the img and area tags. It is optional for the input tag and the deprecated applet tag.

Internet Explorer 7 and earlier render text in alt attributes as tooltip text, which is not compliant with the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)'s HTML standards. This behavior led many web developers to misuse the alt attribute when they wished to display tooltips containing additional information about images, instead of using the title attribute that was intended for that use. As of Internet Explorer 8, released in 2009, alt attributes no longer render as tooltips on Internet Explorer.

Usage
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Lawsuits
There have been many lawsuits over website accessibility and the lack of proper alt attributes on websites. Maguire v Sydney Organising Committee for the Olympic Games was a 2000 lawsuit in which a blind man in Australia sued the Sydney Organising Committee for the Olympic Games because their website www.olympics.com was not accessible to him because of the lack of alt attributes on images. The Australian Human Rights Commission ruled that the website had discriminated against him for failing to conform to accessibility standards that enable blind individuals to navigate websites. During the lawsuit, the Australian commonwealth, state and territory governments issued a joint statement through the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy that they were adopting the W3C's accessibility guidelines for all .gov.au websites.

In the United States, there have been several high-profile lawsuits involving the lack of alt attributes on images that cite a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). The United States Department of Justice gives the lack of alt attributes as an example of a barrier to website accessibility. National Federation of the Blind v. Target Corp. was a 2006 class-action lawsuit that alleged that Target.com violated the ADA because the images did not use alt attributes. This lawsuit set a legal precedent in the United States for website accessibility and compliance with the ADA.

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The Runaway in Oz

The Runaway in Oz is an unofficial follow-up to the Oz series by long-time Oz illustrator John R. Neill, published posthumuously in 1995. It was originally written in 1943, and was meant to be the thirty-seventh novel entry in the Oz series, but Neill died before editing or illustrating the book. Oz publisher Reilly & Lee decided not to publish the book due to shortages caused by World War II. The text remained a possession of Neill's family.

In 1995, the book was published by Oz specialty house Books of Wonder illustrated by Eric Shanower. Shanower also edited and expanded Neill's text. Another version exists, printed privately, with different editing by Fred M. Meyer, longtime Secretary of The International Wizard of Oz Club.

Synopsis
On the eve of an important ceremony in the Emerald City, Scraps the Patchwork Girl has been making more of a nuisance of herself than usual. After confrontations with Jellia Jamb and Jenny Jump, Scraps decides to run away on her spoolicle (a bicycle made of thread spools). She visits Jinjur's Munchkin Country farm; but Jinjur wants to put Scraps to work, so Scraps leaves quickly.

At Prof. Wogglebug's Royal Athletic College, Scraps falls in with a 12-year-old prodigy named Alexample. They marvel at the air castle the Professor has dreamed into existence for his coming vacation, as it hovers above the college. Through unfortunate clumsiness, Scraps knocks the mooring line loose and the air castle floats away, with Alexample hanging onto the tethering rope. Scraps flees from the pursuit of the irate Wogglebug.

Scraps meets a Repairman who magically fixes the damage and staining she's endured in her recent actions. The exasperated Scraps longs to run away from Oz entirely, but doesn't know how to cross the Deadly Desert. The Repairman informs her of a Weather Witch who lives on the highest mountain in Oz; she makes weather for the entire Earth from her windmill there. Scraps decides to get the Weather Witch to blow her across the Desert with wind, and sets out for the mountain.

On the way, Scraps meets Popla, "the one and only power plant...the most powerful plant in the world." (Popla looks like a large shrub, with the face of a beautiful young woman.) Popla longs for release from her bleak and stationary existence, and eagerly transfers herself into a flowerpot to join with Scraps; Popla's strength and resourcefulness prove to be important advantages in their coming adventures. Despite tempestuous winds, the two intrepid travelers reach the top of the mountain. Fanny the Weather Witch agrees to blast them across the Deadly Desert; but additional clumsiness gets them stuck on one of the windmill's blades, which hurls them high into the atmosphere.

Meanwhile, Prof. Wogglebug stomps toward the Emerald City to complain about Scraps to the Wizard. He encounters Jenny Jump and Jack Pumpkinhead, who have set out in search for the missing Scraps. The Wogglebug decides to join up with them, as the most direct approach to recovering his air castle. (The later chapters of the book alternate between the two plots: the runaway Scraps and her companions, and the searchers pursuing her.)

Scraps and Popla land on a friendly cloud, who takes them to a nearby star. The star is a kind of semi-mechanical conveyance, commanded by Captain Batt, who is built of wires and electric components. Predictably, Scraps gets into a fight with him; she punches him in his button nose, which proves to be his on-off button. With Captain Batt shut down, they meet the Twinkler, the star's maintenance man (he looks like Cap'n Bill). Popla tries piloting the star — and crashes into the missing air castle. They find Alexample there, and endure a few peaceful days in its palatial environs. They get to know the inhabitants of the upper air, who include sky fairies and air sprites, and cloud sheep herded by cloud-pushers and sky-sweepers. Scraps and company also repel an attack from sky pirates.

Things go badly for the searchers below; they are caught in a storm, in which Jack loses his pumpkin head. Jenny and the Professor have to lead or drag his headless stick-body along with them. They wander into an enchanted orchard, where they confront an army of rebellious quinces. By this time, the week of the Wogglebug's planned vacation has expired, and the air castle's time is up: it melts, cracks, dissolves, shatters, and otherwise falls apart around its occupants. They come tumbling down upon the enchanted orchard, and the search party, and the quince army. In a final confrontation, the quince soldiers commit mass suicide by shooting their sooty stems at Scraps. She is so blackened by the soot that she tries to hide from the world.

The others convince Scraps to return to the Emerald City, where she can be magically repaired. Scraps agrees, but she hides herself under a sheet as she walks through the city streets (like Ojo in The Patchwork Girl of Oz); she causes a panic when she is mistaken for a ghost. Yet Ozma has no trouble in restoring Scraps to normal (if that term applies) with her Magic Belt. Popla and Alexample are welcomed into the ever-growing circle of Ozma's followers.

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Achara

Achara may refer to:

 * Ācāra, a concept used in Classical Hindu law
 * Achara (clan), a Jat clan of Rajasthan
 * Achara Takipur, a town in Farrukhabad district in the Indian State of Uttar Pradesh
 * Ifunanyachi Achara (born 1997), Nigerian footballer
 * Kieron Achara (born 1983), Scottish basketball player
 * Adjara, an autonomous republic of Georgia
 * Atchara (also spelled as Atsara or Achara), pickled green papaya in Philippine cuisine

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The result of the debate was Delete. R e  dwolf24  (talk) 04:27, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

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Neologism-- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 02:18, 27 August 2005 (UTC) – Copied from Votes for deletion/MEDIATARY, which now redirects here. Steel1943 (talk) 04:38, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Someone added the tag to the page, but didn't complete the process, so I'm doing it for them. At a guess, I'd say they nominated it because it amounts to no more than a neologism. Rob Church Talk 02:38, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete made up. Dottore So 03:02, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete lol funny though Ryan Norton T 03:10, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. (for the reasons already mentioned) --Mysidia (talk) 07:22, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete neologism. Alf 13:17, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Arroyo Seco (Los Angeles County)

Overflow in early 2005 was a controlled test
The overflow of Devil's Gate mentioned in this article makes it sound unintentional, but it was in fact a controlled test of the reservoir and spillway systems of the dam. This should be clarified. Mike Dillon 02:39, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, but a controlled test during a 10-year storm doesn't sound too believable. --fpo 03:38, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * I read it in an article in the Pasadena Star News around or about January 29, 2005. It took a few weeks to fill to the point where it could go over the spillway, so it was certainly was not an accidental overflow. Normally, there is no water in the reservoir. Mike Dillon 23:57, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * As you can see I took your advice and clarified it yesterday. --fpo 00:00, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

I still think the wording of the dam test stuff could be clearer, but I don't have solid information to know what exactly should be said. I was looking for some history on the dam and found out that it was taken out of normal operation in 1976. It was renovated in or around 1993 and as far as I know, the first test of filling the reservoir and testing the systems was the test in 2004-2005. I sent an email to the Pasadena Star-News to ask them to identify the article I read, but I have not heard back from them. I would like to contact the Los Angeles County Department of Public Works, who run the dam, to see if I can get any more information about the fill and spill test, but they don't have an email address. I'm not sure if I want to try to snail mail or telephone them... Mike Dillon 01:21, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

I also found the material concerning the testing of the dam a little unfounded and overall not necessary to the article. As a member of the Altadena Town Council I am very familiar with the people that work in the County, all the way to our Supervisor Mike Antonovich whom I consider a good friend. Yes the dam was retrofitted in the 90's, but it hasn't seen water like this probably since 1969, and at these rates of rainfall, never in its history. Remember it was installed in the early 40's. I stand corrected, in the early 20's. There was no way that the dam's spillway would not be in play during the 2005 season. We had measurements of rain in the canyons upwards of 70". Dept. of Pub Works has a web site: ladpw.org. There are contact pages in there. Magi Media 03:51, 11 March 2006 (UTC)Magi Media

What's in a name
I apologize for having been so insistent on spelling the name of the Watershed incorrectly. It is recorded as HAHAMONGNA. The place is pronounced: Hah-hah-mung-guh. The name derives fronm the Tongva name Hahamog-na: Hah-hah-mogue-nah. How it ended up with two n's wrapped around that g is beside me, but I see a red tag name of User:Tbrick has been changing the spellings. It sounds like my old Pasadena buddy Tim Brick who has been very involved with the watershed park. If so, thanks, and my apologies for the oversight. Magi Media 00:49, 11 April 2006 (UTC)Magi Media

Merge proposal
In doing some stub-sorting for the new LosAngelesCountyCA-geo-stub, I ran across Arroyo Seco, Los Angeles, California. As far as I know, there is no community called Arroyo Seco for the city of Los Angeles, so I was tempted to just do a proposed deletion to have the article disappear. Having been created once, however, I felt the odds that it would be created again were great enough that it was probably best to just merge it into the Arroyo Seco article. According to my Thomas Guide (which can occasionally use some obsolete names for areas) I see Garvanza, Highland Park, Hermon and Montecito Heights along the Arroyo Seco in the City of Los Angeles (and possibly Monterey Hills and Cypress Park). The Arroyo Seco Neighborhood Council lists Hermon, Montecito Heights, Monterey Hills, Mount Washington, and Sycamore Grove. Blank Verse 02:01, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry. I'm missing the point here. You need to classify the Arroyo Seco before being able to accept it as an article? Or are you trying to identify it as a Los Angeles Community? The Arroyo Seco is to LA as the Grand Canyon is the Arizona. It is a very prominent land feature in the Los Angeles County. The cities you named are different zips in the City of LA. But the most active parts of the Arroyo Seco are in Pasadena and La Cañada Flintridge with NASA-JPL and the Hahamongna Watershed (Park). Those old names of Garvanza, Highland, Montecito Hts. are all various parks that were attractive sidelines to the original Arroyo Parkway viaduct, thereby it being called a PARKway. The Arroyo Seco had its name given to one of the original ranger districts of the Angeles National Forest. This is an important land feature worthy of every consideration for an article, and a Los Angeles classification. --Magi Media 03:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)Magi Media

 * The article title "Arroyo Seco, Los Angeles, California" implied that Arroyo Seco is a neighborhood of the city of Los Angeles. The importance of the waterway to the area is undisputed. -Will Beback 04:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Understood. I didn't name the article, I just added to it. I am arguing against a merge or (shudder) deletion if all that need happen is rename the article under a protocol for a geo feature specific to a metropolitan locale.--Magi Media 14:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Need for disambiguation page
The name "Arroyo Seco" applies to a considerable number of places and watercourses. I propose a disambiguation page to sort this out. I am willing to produce the disambig page if there is no objection to the concept. Anlace 00:14, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

 * You know, at one time I had this Arroyo Seco article named "Arroyo Seco, Los Angeles, California," and some cycloptic individual remarked that it wasn't LA and bla-bla-bla. So it got redirected. Now there's a ton of diambiguated listings showing up at the head of this article. Go flippin' figure!!--Magi Media 03:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Will Beback for fixing the disambiguation proper.--Magi Media 05:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I hope we got it all straightened out. -Will Beback · † · 19:20, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Looks good. Thanks Will. Anlace 20:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Agitprop much?
Getting a little tired of the "Anglo" usage. Who knows what someone's specific ethnic mix was? Just say "American" and be done with it. Enough with the 68er stuff already. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.126.253.3 (talk) 03:26, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Adding a section entitled "Artists of the Arroyo Seco"
A group of us are new to developing articles. We want to add a new section to this article entitled "Artists of the Arroyo Seco" in order to build out the story of the arts and culture that developed and evolved from the early 1900s to the present. We are writing a stub today and will develop it in an Edit-A-Thon tomorrow. Any issues for this Oxy-Librarian (talk) 22:19, 25 September 2015 (UTC)Oxy-Librarian. Hi, it's me again. We decided the best approach was to start a new article and will link through "also" once we flesh it out. Oxy-Librarian (talk) 00:04, 26 September 2015 (UTC)Oxy Librarian.

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Article name???
It appears the name of the article was taken from the Web page referenced at the bottom. I would suggest a move to Paiute War as this is generally the most common spelling of the tribal name. I have seen Pah-ute occasionally as well. Perhaps another site or book reference would be helpful. Comments? WBardwin 02:39, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia's article on the various Paiute peoples uses the common name and here's another internet site with the more common name. WBardwin 02:46, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Paiute War
 * Egan, Ferol. "Sand in a Whirlwind: The Paiute Indian War 1860." University of Nevada Press, 1985

Jumped in and corrected the redirect page. Take a look at the difference -- you don't need to hit the shift to create the appropriate bracketts. Sorry if I interfered. Thanks. WBardwin 18:50, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. Xhin 01:55, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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Please don't just delete things you don't like from articles. Your changes will just be reverted.

If you can add content to the page that supports your claims, that would be welcome. — Omegatron 02:41, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

 * Well... You are free to delete things you don't like.  But if someone else reverts that deletion, then you should take it to the talk page instead of reverting again.  — Omegatron 02:42, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

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Drop goal?
Am I the only one who thinks this article is almost about drop goals rather then drop kicks. The start of each section, first mentions the drop goal, for each sport, only mentioning that the drop kick is used to score the goal. Should each section instead start by describing the drop kick and how it is performed. Then go into it's applications? This is pretty confusing, especialy since Drop Goal is redirected to this page, which I believe is an error. There is also the page Field goal, which further complicates matters or just plain confuses me POds 02:42, 27 August 2005 (UTC);

Great work paul, thats exactly what I had in mind. Again with Field goal. I would have done it myself, i just wanted to make sure I wasnt steping on any ones toes... Or is that in its self a violation of wiki's being bold attitude? :) POds 12:47, 27 August 2005 (UTC);
 * Thanks, the way I see it (not that I rampage through Wikipedia or anything) if there's not much discussion, it's fair game. BTW, I was also bold in using the term field goal, rather than drop goal, in my neck of the woods it always been FG.. --Paul 14:37, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yer, I'm very used to field goal although if someone was to say drop goal, i'd definatly know what they ment. There must be a close to 50/50 use of the words in Aust! POds 15:04, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe in union circles, in league it's pretty much universally FG. --Paul 10:58, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * BTW - if you have not already seen it, You'd may be interested in this /* POds 15:08, 27 August 2005 (UTC) */

In England 'field goal' is considered an Aussie term and one imported from the US. Most people know what it means since most people who follow Rugby league also have an interest in NRL / State of Origin. AFAIK the term 'field goal' is actually mentioned in the rules and doesn't mean quite the same as 'drop goal' (though I forget the difference).GordyB 13:48, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 *  imported from the US Can't say I've ever heard that theory before. --Paul 15:47, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * New to me too. I dont think i've actualy ever called it either one strictly. I'm aware of 'field goal' just as much as i am of 'drop goal'. What I'm trying to say is, i dont even know which one i used the most... maybe field?.. drop... sounds the same :) POds 04:04, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Flutie's drop kick
"Flutie had practiced this before, actually converting a few when he played in the Canadian Football League." has been removed from the article. Feel free to repost this once you've provided a source for this. --OntarioQuizzer 20:22, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

You're right Ontario, Flutie never did a drop kick convert in the CFL. I have been watching the CFL for many years and i have never seen anyone do a drop kick convert! He may have attempted a drop kick once, perhaps at the end of a game with the hope that someone on his team would recuperate the ball, but Flutie was perhaps too good with his running ability and arm to need to attempt a drop kick. Certainly he practiced doing the drop kick during his time in the CFL, that is all I could say. Stettlerj 22:30, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm confused. The article states that a drop kick "...involves a player dropping the ball and then kicking it when it bounces off the ground. It contrasts to a punt, wherein the player kicks the ball without letting it hit the ground first." However, Flutie clearly punted the ball. There was no bounce. Was his kick really a drop kick? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.123.160.115 (talk) 13:32, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Due to the aggressive nature of the NFL's copyright protection, clips of this kick can be tough to find online, and in my experience are of poor quality when found. This may lead to the confusion here, but Flutie definitely performed the drop kick properly; the ball did hit the ground. The kick WAS simultaeneous to the ball contacting the ground, but it definitely does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hevato (talk • contribs) 20:51, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Grey Cup won on a drop kick
Can anyone back up the claim that a Grey Cup was won on a rouge that came from a drop kick? Stettlerj 23:11, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I checked with the book "Bob Irving (edited by). Blue & Gold: 75 Years of Blue Bomber Glory, 2005." and the claim is most likely false. According to the Grey Cup page, the Bombers only Grey Cup wins in the 1960s were in 1961 and 1962.
 * For the 1961 Grey Cup, according to the book the score was tied 14-14 after regulation time and Ploen ran it into the endzone for a touchdown. With the extra point that gives the final score of 21-14. Unless the extra point of the game winning touchdown was scored on a drop kick (the book doesn't say), there was no drop kick in overtime. So unless a drop kick was completed in regulation time to force the overtime (stretching the meaning "game winning drop kick" a little too far), it did not happen in 1961.
 * For the 1962 Grey Cup, the book says "The Bombers were leading 28-27 on two touchdowns apiece by Lewis and Shepard at the point of suspension, and that was to be the final score." (the game was suspended due to fog and finished the next day). So unless the extra point on one of the touchdowns was a drop kick (the book makes no mention of this) then it could not have happened in 1962.
 * I'm going to remove that sentence from the page based on this. Qutezuce 06:57, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Calvillo drop kick?
Did Calvillo perform a drop kick? As I recall the ball did not touch the ground, making it a punt rather than a drop kick. Qutezuce 07:10, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I have seen it referred to as having been a drop kick. Anyone have a video to verify?Stettlerj 08:22, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

 * There is the recap of the Grey Cup game on the TSN site here (scroll down to the CFL section near the bottom) (you probably will need to create an account on the TSN site). The kick itself is obscured by people on the sideline, but to me it looks like Calvillo throws the ball out while he is getting tackled, and when he kicks it he is already leaning way back due to the tackle in progress. A drop-kick would have been very hard to produce under such circumstances to my eyes, especially one that got some decent air. A lot of people seem to think that a drop-kick is the same as a punt, probably because so few people have actually seen a drop-kick, and because the name "drop-kick" could also refer to a punt (in which the ball is dropped directly onto the punter's foot). Qutezuce 08:47, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I checked The Sports Network's highlights and I agree with you. Calvillo punted the ball on 3rd down, he did not drop kick it. I'll remove the reference to it. Stettlerj 20:41, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Coaches
Well, first thing I can see is that Mike Ditka (who if I'm not mistaken, was a coach), is listed in the article, so by Gator1's logic, Bill Belichick should be in the article as well. --OntarioQuizzer 17:09, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I think that we should include many of the details relating to Flutie's drop kick. It is the only drop kick in 60 years, making it very notable in relation to this article. Qutezuce 17:41, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. The current state of the section is acceptable as is.Gator (talk) 20:09, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Well, I think that the current state of the article is a good compromise position as it mentions Belichick's important role in use of Flutie's drop kick (much like Ditka's disapproval) without overwhelming the article with it. --OntarioQuizzer 13:44, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Runon Sentance
This is a runon sentance and should be fixed.

Arena league to draw from, and the play would in any event occur too seldom to seem to be worth the amount of practice time that would have to be devoted to it for it to be executed at any real level of proficiency; in practice a pass off of the rebound nets above the endlines which, if completed, would result in six points and a win for the team down by four points, rather than a tie and overtime, probably has at least an equal and possibly a superior chance of success.

Depth Chart
As far as I know Flutie was listed behind Brady all year; Cassel was 3rd.

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Hōjō Ujitsuna

Hōjō Ujitsuna (北条 氏綱) was a Japanese samurai lord of the Sengoku period. He was the son of Hōjō Sōun, the founder of the Go-Hōjō clan. He continued his father's quest to gain control of Kantō (the region around present-day Tokyo).

Biography
In 1524, Ujitsuna took Edo Castle, which was controlled by Uesugi Tomooki, thus beginning a long-running rivalry between the Hōjō and Uesugi families.

In 1526, Hojo Ujitsuna was defeated by Takeda Nobutora in the Battle of Nashinokidaira. Later, the Uesugi attacked and burned Tsurugaoka Hachimangū in Kamakura, which was a major loss to the Hōjō symbolically, because the earlier Hōjō clan from which they took their name fell in the Siege of Kamakura (1333). (Ujitsuna soon started rebuilding Tsurugaoka Hachimangū and was completed in 1540. ) In 1530, his son Ujiyasu defeated Uesugi Tomooki in the Battle of Ozawahara.

The Uesugi attacked Edo again in 1535, when Ujitsuna was away fighting the Takeda; however, Ujitsuna returned and defeated Uesugi Tomooki reclaiming his lands.

When Uesugi Tomooki died in 1537, Ujitsuna took the opportunity to occupy Musashi province and seize Kawagoe Castle to secure his control of the Kantō.

In 1538, Ujitsuna then went on to win the battle of Kōnodai, securing Shimōsa Province for the Hōjō.

In 1539, he defeated the Koga Kubo Yoshiaki (Oyumi Kubo) and gained control of Awa Province (Chiba).

Over the next several years before his death in 1541, Ujitsuna oversaw the rebuilding of Kamakura, making it a symbol of the growing power of the Hōjō, along with Odawara and Edo. He was succeeded as head of the Hōjō clan and lord of Odawara by his son Hōjō Ujiyasu.

Family

 * Father: Hojo Soun
 * Younger Brother: Hōjō Genan
 * Mother: Nan’nyoin-dono
 * Wife: Yojuin-dono
 * Concubine: Konoe-dono
 * Children:
 * Hojo Ujiyasu by Yojuin-dono
 * Hōjō Tsunashige (Adopted child)
 * Hojo Tamemasa (1520-1542)
 * Hojo Ujitaka (1522-1562)
 * Joshin’in married Ota Suketaka
 * daughter married Kira Yoriyasu
 * Hoshun’in married Ashikaga Haruuji
 * Sakihime married Horikoshi Sadatomo
 * Daichoin married Hojo Tsunamori
 * Chiyo married Katsurayama Ujimoto

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Talk:Polytechnic University of Catalonia

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Does anyone know why the institute's name is not translated more directly as "Polytechnical University of Catalonia" or the like, preserving the polytechnic[al] usage? ~ Dpr 02:43, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

 * As far as I know, a polytechnic is closer in Spain to "Formación Profesional". --surueña 11:42:37, 2005-08-27 (UTC)

 * Depends on The country I think Polythecnic University is better (Poly from greek πολυς- Many)--Zape82 12:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Looking in the dictionary, the word "polytechnic" has only one meaning and it's opposed to university, so it shouldn't be translated this way. 62.87.61.158 04:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

The english webpage of the University says its name is 'Technical University of Catalonia', so this article should be moved back. 85.50.2.219 23:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

As long as it isn't an English institution and it has a copyrighted name it should be mantained in Catalan and if translated it should be named "Technical University of Catalonia" as it appears in their english webpage SCP-UPC 14:25, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

About SCP-UPC version
SCP-UPC is the UPC "Promotion Service" (Servei de Comunicació i Promoció). We're glad to share this article with the Wikipedia community and invite all contributors to expand it while keeping the essence. Please, discuss any doubt whenever it appears. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SCP-UPC (talk • contribs) 14:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC).
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Consociatus Insula

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The result of the debate was Delete. R e  dwolf24  (talk) 04:27, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Consociatus Insula
Brand new micronation. Not encyclopedic. Also Consociatus Insula/Constitution. R ADICAL B ENDER ★  02:43, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh no not another one. Zero google hits.  Delete -- Francs2000 | Talk [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px|  ]] 02:44, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * This Page is being constructed on behalf of the Goverment Presiding of the Consociatus Insula. If you have any questions about this Page, send them to [mailto:consociatus.insula.web@gmail.com The Department of Information of the Consociatus Insula] Keep - Dr. James Barloutti — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.146.13 (talk • contribs) 02:53, 27 August 2005
 * LOL. The Representatove Democracy of the Consociatus Insula was founded August 1, 2005 and was deleted later that month. Speedy Delete as patent nonsense. Also, apply to other BS entries from same user. Dottore So 03:06, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete .... Ryan Norton T 03:09, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Quickly.  Painfully. - Lucky 6.9 03:30, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Treason. -EDM 03:58, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This country claims to be coterminous with the United States?  Nonsense.  Zoe 04:50, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Probably a subversive anagram for Cousin's a social nut, or Cousin's anal coitus.   Paul Klenk 10:29, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * ROTFLMAO! Paul, that's the funniest damned thing I've ever read on VfD.  Good one!! - Lucky 6.9 21:30, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, made-up non-existent country = vanity.- Mgm|(talk) 10:34, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete this nonsense, might have redeemed ½ a brownie point had they chosen Advance Britannia Fair as the anthem. Alf 13:27, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete with a guillotine. RasputinAXP   talk  *  contribs  18:55, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Huh. I could write a better constitution than that. (Come to think of it, I have; probably more encylopedic, too.) Delete, nn, fictional, vanity, nonsense, huge mess, the usual set. Shimgray 20:32, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
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User talk:Dark Lord Farley, For Us All

Curps is evil. He is a horrible criminal.

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Andromeda (Marvel Comics)

Andromeda Attumasen is a fictional character appearing in American comic books published by the Marvel Comics. The character is depicted as an Atlantean of Marvel's shared universe, known as the Marvel Universe. She is the illegitimate daughter of Attuma.

Publication history
Andromeda was introduced in The Defenders #143 (March 1985) and added to the titular supergroup's lineup a few issues later. Writer Peter B. Gillis later revealed, "My long-term plan was to populate The Defenders with my own crew of characters, characters who nonetheless had ties to interesting parts of the Marvel Universe. Andromeda, while not the Sub-Mariner, gave me a connection to Atlantis." However, Andromeda would be the last character Gillis added to The Defenders, since shortly after her debut he was told that the series was being cancelled.

Fictional character biography
A member of the Homo mermanus race, Andromeda is the illegitimate daughter of Attuma of Atlantis by a woman named Lady Gelva. He did not know of her existence until she confronted him and told him he was her father. Andromeda was raised in Atlantean society and trained in the arts of hunting and war and she exceeded any other male except for her father in these skills. Despite her skills, she was considered unworthy of promotion in the Atlantean military because she is a woman even though she was highly decorated.

Andromeda, inspired by Namor's tales, moved to the surface world, where she used a serum to give herself a human appearance and the ability to breathe out of water. She took the name Andrea McPhee and posed as a surface woman. When she was revealed as an Atlantean, she quickly abandoned her charade and became a member of the Defenders, joining them against a villain named Hotspur.

She was with the Defenders, christened the "New Defenders," for only a short time, revealing only portions of her background to them. With them, she traveled to outer space and battled the second Star-Thief. She fought Manslaughter as he menaced the team, and then aided the Defenders and the Interloper in battle against fellow Defender Moondragon, and the Dragon of the Moon who was possessing Moondragon. Andromeda sacrificed her life force, joining with Manslaughter, the Valkyrie, and the Interloper to drive the Dragon of the Moon from the Earth, and her body was turned to stone.

The Dragon would later return, this time without a body. To stop the Dragon of the Moon, Doctor Strange cast a spell which returned the souls of the Defenders fallen in the battle against the Dragon to the bodies of several recently deceased humans, changing them into duplicates of the Defenders. Andromeda's soul entered the body of Genevieve Cross and these Defenders now called themselves the Dragon Circle. Together the Dragon Circle banished the Dragon from Earth and Andromeda returned to the oceans.

Andromeda played an important part in the 1989 Atlantis Attacks crossover. Andromeda led a rebellion to stop her father Attuma from invading the surface world, but was bested by Attuma in personal combat. She was kidnapped unconscious by the Deviant priest Ghaur as one of his "Seven Brides of Set." Under Ghaur's domination, she accompanied She-Hulk to acquire a piece of Set's life force. In the end the Brides of Set gained their freedom thanks to the Fantastic Four and Avengers.

Andromeda joined her forces with those of Namor. She was part of the short-lived Deep Six, a group of underwater heroes. During this time, her mind and that of Genevieve Cross would repeatedly exchange control and even turn her body into a copy of Genevieve's. Andromeda sacrificed her own mind to save Namor's soul, leaving Genevieve in control of Andromeda's body. Months later, either Genevieve in Andromeda's body or a restored Andromeda herself assisted Namor and the Defenders against Attuma's own Deep Six. Andromeda was last seen as an ally of Namor, living in Atlantis.

Andromeda later appears as a member of Namor's Defenders of the Deep, Namor's own super-team assembled to impose his will on the surface world's presence in the oceans.

Powers and abilities
As a member of the Homo Mermanus race, Andromeda can breathe underwater, and has more durable skin which allows her to survive in great depths. She is also able to move freely underwater. However, without special aid she will die in the open air. To counteract this, Andromeda uses a serum that allows her people to survive up to 12 hours out of the water, and in addition, provides her with the skin color of a surface-dweller. Without her serum, Andromeda loses her vitality the longer she spends out of the water, and would eventually die if she was out of water for long enough. Andromeda is proficient in many weapons but prefers the Atlantean trident. She is also skilled in hand-to-hand combat, and as a military leader. She is superhumanly strong and can lift around 4 tons in the air, and at least 14 tons underwater.

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User talk:Metz82

Some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Robert C. Metzinger may not be sufficiently well-known to merit articles of their own. The Wikipedia community welcomes newcomers, and encourages them to become Wikipedians. By starting an account or logging in, each user is entitled to a user page in which they can describe themselves, and this article's content may be incorporated into that page. However, to merit inclusion in the encyclopedia proper, a subject must be notable. We encourage you to write or improve articles on notable subjects. --Calton | Talk 02:45, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

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Great Hinckley Fire

The Great Hinckley Fire was a conflagration in the pine forests of the U.S. state of Minnesota in September 1894, which burned an area of at least 200000 acre (perhaps more than 250000 acre), including the town of Hinckley. The official death count was 418; the actual number of fatalities was likely higher. Other sources put the death toll at 476.

Description
After a two-month summer drought, combined with very high temperatures, several small fires started in the pine forests of Pine County, Minnesota. The fires' spread apparently was due to the then-common method of lumber harvesting, wherein trees were stripped of their branches in place; these branches littered the ground with flammable debris. Also contributing was a temperature inversion that trapped the gases from the fires. The scattered blazes united into a firestorm. The temperature rose to at least 2000 °F. Barrels of nails melted into one mass, and in the yards of the Eastern Minnesota Railroad, the wheels of the cars fused with the rails. Some residents escaped by climbing into wells, ponds, or the Grindstone River. Others clambered aboard two crowded trains that pulled out of the threatened town minutes ahead of the fire.

James Root, the engineer of the St. Paul & Duluth Railroad's No. 4 Limited train, heading for Saint Paul from Duluth, rescued nearly 300 people by backing up a train nearly five miles to Skunk Lake, where the passengers took cover in the swamp from the fire. William Best was an engineer on a train sent specifically to evacuate people.

According to the Hinckley Fire Museum: "Because of the dryness of the summer, fires were common in the woods, along railroad tracks and in logging camps where loggers would set fire to their slash to clean up the area before moving on. Some loggers, of course left their debris behind, giving any fire more fuel on which to grow. Saturday, September 1st, 1894 began as another oppressively hot day with fires surrounding the towns and two major fires that were burning about 5 mi to the south. To add to the problem, the temperature inversion that day added to the heat, smoke and gases being held down by the huge layer of cool air above. The two fires managed to join together to make one large fire with flames that licked through the inversion finding the cool air above. That air came rushing down into the fires to create a vortex or tornado of flames which then began to move quickly and grew larger and larger turning into a fierce firestorm. The fire first destroyed the towns of Mission Creek and Brook Park before coming into the town of Hinckley. When it was over the Firestorm had completely destroyed six towns, and over 400 sqmi lay black and smoldering. The firestorm was so devastating that it lasted only four hours but destroyed everything in its path."

Aftermath
The fire destroyed the town of Hinckley (which at the time had a population of over 1,400) as well as the smaller nearby settlements of Mission Creek, Brook Park, Sandstone, Miller, Partridge and Pokegama.

The exact number of fatalities is difficult to determine. The official coroner's report counted 413 dead while the fire's official monument notes 418. An unknown number of Native Americans and backcountry dwellers were also killed in the fire; bodies continued to be found years later. It is second only to the 1918 Cloquet Fire (where 453 were killed) as the deadliest in Minnesota history, and the third deadliest in U.S. history, after the Peshtigo Fire.

Memorials
Today, a 37 mi section of the Willard Munger State Trail, from Hinckley to Barnum, is a memorial to the fire and the devastation it caused. In the town of Hinckley, on Highway 61, the Hinckley Fire Museum is located in the former Northern Pacific Railway depot. It is located a few feet north of the former depot, which burned down in the fire. It is open from May 1 until the end of October.

Lutheran Memorial Cemetery in Hinckley has a historical marker and granite obelisk as a memorial to those who perished in the fire. 248 residents of Hinckley perished in the fire and are buried in a mass grave at this cemetery. Some are unidentified.

The Brook Park Cemetery on County Road 126, south of Minnesota State Highway 23, has an historical marker plaque and a memorial to the 23 fire victims of Brook Park, with a tall obelisk on top of a granite marker.

Boston Corbett
Thomas P. "Boston" Corbett, the Union soldier who killed John Wilkes Booth after Booth's assassination of Abraham Lincoln, is presumed to have died in the fire. His last known residence is believed to have been a forest settlement near Hinckley, and a "Thomas Corbett" is listed as one of the dead or missing.

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Obersee

Obersee is the German word for "Upper Lake" and may refer to:

 * Obersee (Antarctica), a meltwater lake in the Gruber Mountains, Antarctica
 * Obersee (Arosa), a lake in the resort town of Arosa, Grisons, Switzerland
 * Obersee (Glarus), a mountain lake in the canton of Glarus, Switzerland
 * Obersee (Königssee), a mountain lake in southeastern Bavaria
 * Obersee (Lake Constance), the larger of the two parts of Lake Constance
 * Obersee (Zürichsee), a section of Lake Zürich, Switzerland
 * Obersee (Rur), a reservoir in the Eifel mountains, Germany
 * Obersee Nachrichten, a newspaper published in the area of Obersee
 * Obersee, a previous name for the Egerner cove of the Tegernsee (lake) in Bavaria
 * Obersee, an informal name for the upper part of the Weitsee lake in Bavaria

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User:Kswheels

This is just a temporary placeholder until this user makes a userpage: This is *NOT* willy on wheels. Refrain from blocking as a sockpuppet. --Phroziac(talk) 04:39, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TopLink

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The result of the debate was Keep/No Consensus. R e  dwolf24  (talk) 04:29, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

TopLink
software prograom, sub-stub. no indication of notability. Delete unless expanded to show signifigance. DES (talk) 02:46, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, 10 year old product by huge company. Gazpacho 03:01, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless expanded from a stub to a real article during vfd period. Dlyons493 07:11, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with Oracle. (and leave as red-link) No content to speak of, which is not to say that it would be impossible for a good article on the subject to be written, but this is sub-stub. --Mysidia (talk) 07:21, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * For a merge to be completed, you need to redirect. This way the edit history is retained per GFDL. See Guide to Votes for deletion link on top of main VFD page. Merge and delete is not a valid vote, so there's no good way to get a red-link. - Mgm|(talk) 10:36, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm all about the obscure software packages, but there is no assertion of notability here. Speedy delete. Nandesuka 12:42, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep factual and verifiable. Trollderella 22:03, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notability, well apart from the blindingly obvious, Java Developer's Journal's readers voted it "Best Java Persistence Architecture" in 2003, it also won the Editor's Choice JavaWorld 2003 Award for Best Java Data Access Tool, and the 2003 Java Pro Readers Choice Award for Best Java Data Access Tool or Driver.  Northrop Grumman used TopLink on a project to integrate some US DoD databases. I could go on but it's utterly ridiculous to be discussing deletion of an article on this product. In database terms it would be like not having an article on the Beatles' White Album. --Tony Sidaway Talk  08:14, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is the same way I feel about the topic, but I didn't have information about the significance about it like you did. I added those awards into the article, but if you know more about TopLink then I think it would be great if you could edit in more information on why it's considered to be the #1 object-relational mapping tool. --BSTRhino 03:47, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with Oracle. Radiant_ >|< 09:13, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
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Untersee

Untersee (lower lake) may refer to:

 * Lake Untersee, Antarctica
 * Untersee (Lake Constance), the smaller, lower section of Lake Constance
 * The lower, larger part of Lake Zürich is sometimes called unterer Zürichsee or Untersee
 * Unterseen, a town in the canton of Bern

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Gnadensee

The Gnadensee is part of Lower Lake Constance (Untersee), the western part of the lake.

Description
The Gnadensee lies between Allensbach in the north and the island of Reichenau in the south. In the west it extends to the Mettnau peninsula (Radolfzell) and its eastern end borders on the Wollmatinger Ried Nature Reserve and the Reichenaudamm with its prominent avenue of poplars. The extremely small part in the northwest is called the Markelfinger Winkel. Together with the latter it has an area of 13 square kilometres. It reaches a maximum depth of 19 metres.

Name
The name of the Gnadensee probably dates to the period when the local judiciary was based on the island of Reichenau. If an accused person was found guilty and sentenced to death, the execution could not take place on the island. It had to be carried out on the mainland as the whole island was holy ground. As a result, the convict was taken by boat to the mainland in the direction of present-day Allensbach, in order that the sentence could be carried out. If the local ruler, the abbot, wanted to reprieve the criminal, he had a bell rung before the boat reached the far shore. This was a signal to the executioner on the mainland that the convict had received a pardon or Gnade ("mercy" or "grace" in German).

Another explanation is that the name Gnadensee is derived from Mary, Mother of God, the "Lady of our Grace", and is an ellipsis of the word Gnaden[frau]see ("Lady of Grace Lake"), as the monastery in Mittelzell was dedicated to Saint Mary.

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Lake Zell

Lake Zell (Zeller See; Lago di Zell) is a small freshwater lake in the Austrian Alps. It takes its name from the city of Zell am See, which is located on a small delta protruding into the lake. The lake is 4 km long and 1.5 km across at its widest. It is up to 73 metres deep and at an elevation of 750 metres above sea level.

The lake is fed by numerous small mountain streams in summer, but only one stream flows out of it into the Salzach. In winter the lake completely freezes and is used for winter sports. In summer the lake is used for pleasure boating (boats powered by combustion engines are not allowed except for the ferries that cross the width of the lake from Zell to Thumersbach, so electrically powered boats can be rented instead). The water is very clear and suitable for swimming or diving, but can be chilly.

The southern end of the lake, near Schüttdorf, is shallower and mostly filled with water weed, making it unsuitable for boating or swimming.

The "Alpine Lake" can be seen from nearby ski trails.

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Talk:Kuopio Lyceum High School

School's history
It has a fairly interesting one -- surely someone actually there at the moment could translate it and put it up...

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The Museum of Russian Art

The Museum of Russian Art (TMORA), a nonprofit museum in Minneapolis, Minnesota, United States, is the only major institution in North America devoted entirely to Russian art and culture from the entire scope of Russia's history. The Museum was founded by prominent art collectors Raymond and Susan Johnson, owners of the largest collection of Russian Realist paintings outside the borders of the former Soviet Union. TMORA was incorporated as a nonprofit in 2002 and opened at its present location in 2005. The museum shows 8-10 exhibitions per year, and hosts over 50 annual events ranging from notable lecturers to classical concerts to theatrical readings. TMORA is open daily, located between Downtown Minneapolis and the Minneapolis Saint Paul Airport.

Founding (1991-2005)
Raymond and Susan Johnson held the first retail exhibition of Russian Realist Art in North America in 1991. The largest collectors of Soviet-era paintings outside the former USSR, the Johnsons showed their work privately until envisioning a public museum in 2002. It commenced exhibition activities open to the public in 2002, initially in loaned space in a corporate office park located in Bloomington, Minnesota. The organization initially showcased Russian Realist-style paintings from the late 19th century as well as from the Soviet era (1917–1991). Ray Johnson was appointed an Honorary Consul for the Russian Federation in 2003, and in recognition of their respective contributions "to international cultural diversity and education," both Johnson (2005) and TMORA's first Director Bradford Shinkle (2009) were awarded Russia's Order of Friendship Medal, the highest civilian honor accorded to non-Russian citizens. In 2005, TMORA acquired and thoroughly remodeled the former Mayflower Church in south Minneapolis, a 75-year-old building that previously served as a Congregational church and funeral home. The building received special recognition for adaptive reuse from the Minnesota Heritage Preservation Commission, and opened to the public in 2007. TMORA now operates a state-of-the-art exhibition facility that includes 18,000 sqft of display galleries and administrative offices.

TMORA: an American Museum of Russian Art (2005-current)
The renovated gallery space has been host to over 70 exhibitions from Masterpieces of Soviet Era Painting, to historical topics like World War I and the Siege of Leningrad and Russian art forms such as Faberge, Lacquer Boxes, Nesting Dolls, and Ornaments. TMORA also presents shows by living artists, such as Leon Hushcha (a Minnesotan artist of Ukrainian descent) and Canadian-Armenian artist Garen Bedrossian.

TMORA has established international relationships with numerous Russian cultural organizations and museums including Rossotrudnichestvo, the Russian Embassy in the United States - Washington D.C., the Russian Cultural Center, the State Tretyakov Gallery (Moscow), State Russian Museum (St. Petersburg), State Museum of Yaroslaval (Yaroslaval). The museum works with both private collectors as well as institutions throughout the United States; the mutual cultural embargo established between Russia and the United States in 2010 currently prevents collections from state institutions in Russia to travel to the United States.

In addition to its exhibition calendar, TMORA hosts a variety of events throughout the year including concerts, lectures, theater, dance, artist talks, and book clubs.

In April 2022, a late night break-in occurred and a donation box of cash was stolen. No other theft was reported.

title: The Museum of Russian Art