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User talk:LimoWreck

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German Rock
Hi, why did you reverse my changes of this article (German Rock)? It costed me a lot of work to add those bands and this list isn't fake or wrong at all - Actually I copied many of those bands from the German Wikipedia article about German Rock (Deutschrock). So why did you change this again?

Belgian Ebony Shoe
Hi Limo, sorry I changed your useful additions. Actually I thought Ebony shoe was given for the year and not the season... I'll change that in the article. There's still much to do in the football articles so, feel free to add some info here and there. Thanx again for the correction, Julien Tuerlinckx 13:58, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Club Brugge
Hi again. I saw you added the squad to the club brugge article. This is a good job. However, the standard for squad representation has been set up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Clubs. You can retrieve the template at any Belgian (except Standard) and Italian clubs or at some English ones. If you have the time to do this, it would be quite nice. Thanx, Julien Tuerlinckx 14:10, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Hep. Thanx for changing the squad.  I removed the Polish flag for Klukowski as we decided to keep only one (I hope I kept the right one).  If you like, you can create a new category Category:Club Brugge K.V. players and add all the past and present players in that category (have a look at Football World Cup 1998 (squads), Football World Cup 1994 (squads) and Football World Cup 2002 (squads)).  Julien Tuerlinckx 11:18, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Nevermind. I did it for Brugge and Standard too.  But if you like there is still much to do in Belgian football.  Nice job on the Dutch portal.  Cheers, Julien Tuerlinckx 16:48, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Edit summary
Hi! thanx again for your work on belgian football (especially in the nl version). Just wanted to ask you if you could try to add an edit summary when you make edits so that other people know what changes you brought to the article. I know it's boring but I admit it's quite useful. Julien Tuerlinckx 19:31, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah actually that's what I do too (the diff thing, and by the way I'm quite sure that's what we all do) but it could permit me to avoid doing that when you just added the ... to the article, esp. when you do that for several articles the same day. Anyway, I used to never add edit summaries esp. on little watched pages like those on Bel. foot (as you said) and talk pages and I still forget it sometimes so I can't "throw you the stone" (if this means something).  Finally, I admit I can't wait to read other people prose about this topic so be bold when you will be writing stuff in the en-en.

Belgian record
I had noticed the remark but never found time to look for a source to check and then forgot about it. I see that you did look for it and Planet World Cup is a nice one indeed. Maybe we can try something like "Belgium has the longest streak of qualifying for World Cups via the normal/usual^1 qualifying tournament, with six." And the 1 would refer to the same remark reworded (and maybe plus the fact they qualified as winners in 1986). Anyway I'll let you manage that.Julien Tuerlinckx 18:44, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Translation request
Hi. I wrote the article Regent Parrot mostly by translating the Dutch article at nl:Bergparkiet. There were some words etc. where my Dutch let me down, and those remain commented out. I'd appreciate it if you could edit the article and finish the translation. Thanks for your time and attention. Cheers, Tom e rtalk 09:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking in on it and for the additional information. I hope you don't mind if I call on you again. :-)  Tom e rtalk  20:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Dunk meister
I responded to your common on my talk page, I was going to jsut paste it here but figured its better to have the wonle conversation in one place. Dalf | Talk 18:20, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: signatures
From the top of my talk: For a number of reasons, ... this user signs with five tildes, not four. Thanks for your attention. 18:36, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

gfdl
Tried to push my article? There is no way I would push my articles unless I made money from that, something which gfdl is not about. Thepcnerd 02:19, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Edit Summary
When editing an article on Wikipedia there is a small field labelled "Edit summary" under the main edit-box. It looks like this: The text written here will appear on the Recent changes page, in the page revision history, on the diff page, and in the watchlists of users who are watching that article. See m:Help:Edit summary for full information on this feature. When you leave the edit summary blank, some of your edits could be mistaken for vandalism and may be reverted, so please always briefly summarize your edits, especially when you are making subtle but important changes, like changing dates or numbers. Thank you. /wangi 09:44, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Re:High Icelandic
There are several issues here. First off the definition of vandalism. According to official policy, NPOV disputes are not vandalism. That is not to say that the edits being made by the user involved should stay, or are appropriate.

I removed that report from WP:VIP because of the above, combined with there being no need to issue an immediate block. Adding it to the CVU watchlist probably wouldn't help much, as the CVU mostly looks out for so called 'blatant' vandalism, i.e. vandalism that is obvious at a glance. In this case more digging into the articles history is required. I've added the article to my personal watchlist, and I'd be happy to help keep it clean if possible (I'm not an expert on the subject, but I'll try and read the article properly and be a neutral party in the matter).

I am sorry to say the RfC's and similar processes (which are the correct ones in content dispute cases) can often fail. As I said above I'll try and look more closely at this article and give further assistance where possible. Possibly of use in this situation is requests for page protection (asking for semi-protection to prevent IPs editing the article), however that generally only gets applied in extreme cases, when an article is under heavy attack.

Final point of note, WP:VIP has a rather bad backlog (all sections had backlogs of reports to beginning of February), as unfortunately a lot of admins don't pay much attention to it. I've been attempting to clear the backlog, once that is fully done I should be able to take more time examining individual reports. Feel free to ask any further questions/add comments. Petros471 11:10, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I've removed your report from WP:VIP again, as the article seems to have calmed down for now, and you've got my attention (to be honest I don't think you're going to get much more from VIP). I'd be quite willing to report vandalism to the article if any occurs, however any remaining content issues should continue to be discussed on the articles talk page. As always feel free to message me on my talk page if you want any help. Petros471 20:33, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Tawkerbot2 and the reversion of your edit(s)
Hello, LimoWreck. You may have noticed User:Tawkerbot2 reverted one or more of your edits and perhaps left a message on your talk page. Wikipedia recently experienced a database malfunction, causing Tawkerbot2 to misidentify legitimate edits; hence the reversion of your edit(s) and the message. The bot has been temporarily disabled until the problems are rectified. Thanks. —Wayward Talk 18:46, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Middlesbrough F.C.
Why did you remove my match analysis of the UEFA cup final, it conformed to npov, was a statemnt of actual fact on what happened, it is relevant to the article and as far as I can see conforms to any other Wikipedia rules. Philc TECI 21:48, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * All I read was "Middlesbrough sucked", line after line after line... Now, i don't care about that club, but such a lenghty useless description doesn't fit in an encyclopedic history section of a football club. --LimoWreck 21:50, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thae fact is they did, they played appalingly, coming from someone who supported them through this campaign, anyone who saw that match would have known there is no nice way to say how they played. Though I cannot find any examples on the en wiki right now, on de wiki articles for example have acheived FA status by writing detailed match reports, so unless you can come up with a good reason why it should not be there, I am going to put it back.  Philc  TECI 21:53, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * An extended match report should be part of an article about the final or the cup, not on the clubs history. And I suggest you wait a few weeks before writing such report, when your first disappointment after the match is over. There already even is a section of the article destined for memorable matches, to avoid the history section getting messed up with overdone reports. No need to add that report twice. --LimoWreck 21:59, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, My point of view is fairly impartial I think as even though I supported boro for the campaign, it was for the english game, and not for them. So I'll add it to the cup I guess after comparing it to a few other reoprts for accuracy. Philc  TECI 22:06, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

NEU! not Neu!
The name of the band is NEU! Which are the typographic conventions that are mentioned in the article? Thank you. skysurfer 19:55, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, that's some sort of typographic habit used by the band, I believe it's correctly mentioned in the article's introduction? I know there's some discussion on wikipedia on typographic conventions, esp. bands using caps all the time etc vs. wikipedia not using too much unconventional article names... (should be found somewhere in the wikipedia namespace) --LimoWreck 20:33, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Electronic music
The "Iskhur guide to electronic music" recently has been reported as a sort of hilarious set of misleading information. I dont have time now to give you details, I'll be back tomorrow, I'm busy with my "real" life. In the meantime, if you are really interested in electronic music, I hope you will enjoy my contribution, that are FACTUAL and not POV. Brian Wilson 17:55, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Iskhur's guide IS hilarious, but it IS used as one of the well-known "overviews" of the more commerciel-pop-oriented guides (and more dance-related music or something like that); just my experience with people with different interests. Of course, it doesn't claim to be THE guide, nor to describe everything about electronic music (esp. < 80s and topics outside the pop-genres). But that's why it's just added as a small "see also" link at the bottom; and not one of the main articles to look at. --LimoWreck 18:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

To me it seems that it is used as the main guide for too many articles. In other words, Ishkur's POV is becoming a sort of NPOV standard for WP interested in these topics; I guess it goes far beyong the purposes of the author of that website. see you tomorrow, bye. Brian Wilson 18:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Angel Rada
I have have afd this article Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! (Whisper...) 13:08, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Electronic Music
Thank you for correcting my edit, actually it was unintentional, because as you see on my edit note, I was willing to delete only that POV about M. Jackson. Anyway I am sure that the article is overstating the importance of Techno; in addition, the article should clearly state the diffence from "electronic" as technique, and "electronic" as style, content and context. but at the moment I am not planning to change it. Brian Wilson 00:04, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I think the reader will notice an evolution from the meaning of the world electronic through the decades, so I think it's quite balanced. The word "electronic" can hint at different ideas, but well, the meaning of the word might have changed a bit through the years... so be it. The Techno part (whatever Techno means here, well whatever any genre means) has some importance, as since the 80s/90s genres like that are linked to "electronic music", regardless of what other definitions some people might have. So, as long as people don't keep pushing any more techno/house/whatever POV in the sections describing the 90s and so in, I think it's restricted to a minimum at the moment... --LimoWreck 00:22, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure it's not well balanced, but I will not change it for now, I will try to improve different articles so that house/techno/psybient/illbient/chillout fans will not become frustrated abruptely. It's really like a sort of drug for them, they claim that "their music" deserves the status of electronic music so that their "heroes" will have a place in history of music, together with Stockhausen, Cage, Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk, Pink Floyd, Brian Eno. Possibly they even they hate disco music. Brian Wilson 01:59, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, whether we like it or not, what's seen as "electronic music" today is the wide range of pop/techno/drum'n'bass/house/modern ambient music/some jazz-inspired but simpler music/etc... at least, that's the music that's succesful both commercially and in underground and will be remembered to some extent (and as far as I know, it's far from all nightclub-dj-music or something like that); and which contrasts to other styles nowadays "traditional" rock line-ups, more acoustic music, more r&b/hiphop, etc... (although everyone uses electronics nowadays)... You don't find the Stockhausens, Kraftwerks, TD, ... nowadays that make large revolutionary impacts by experimenting with electronics. Although there might be artists who try to experiment further, they don't make up what the word "electronic music" means nowadays. We might like it or not, but that's how things change... --LimoWreck 10:50, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Or maybe I am right, in that case, in some years people will definitely realize that electronics in music is just a "performing and recording technique" among other ones, not a sort of "new language", a "new philosophy" or a new style or a new genre. One day, synthpop will be called just pop, and so on.Brian Wilson 11:07, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Sort things out
We probably should try and agree on what is true non-sense mate... Why deleting Dutch versions (existing and official versions) to French names on any page related to Belgium? Amaulestraat is a correct name, i.e. Astridpark as well. De Rode Duivels too. I can understand I was wrong with editing Anderlecht's old violet kit (I really didn't know it had switched on to black!), so that won't be done again, but double language is allowed in Belgium as far as I'm concerned, so I guess we should agree on editing BOTH versions (French and Dutch) when referring to official names (streets, stadiums, etc.) in Belgium. Why not? Is Dutch non-sense and French always making sense? I don't agree. I could agree that adding only Dutch versions would be unfair, but the opposite is wrong as well, don't you think? Let's add BOTH. It's Koning Boudewijnstadion as well as Stade Roi Baudoin, isn't it? So let's add BOTH the versions. Tell me what you think about it. Gianmaria Framarin 17:36 2 June 2006

Anderlecht
On my Italian page I found out the Dutch name of Anderlecht, so I thought this was just another case of double language, as allowed in Belgium. I was wrong.

My attempt is not at vandalising pages, but quoting BOTH languages in order to bring justice to the Belgian pages: I think you'd agree on this, so we could find a way out to that.

Next time tell me where I'm wrong, but don't tell me Astridpark or Heizelstadion or Amaulestraat are wrong...THEY'RE ON THE OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS, aren't they?

No ill will, be certain, only justice on my side, so let's try and find out some agreement. Can I now add the official Dutch names ALONG WITH the French ones? I won't delete the French versions, as I previously and wrongly did, be certain about it.

I won't of course make any further move without your agreement, so please tell me. But please be sensible and please add the Dutch versions... Gianmaria Framarin 17:44 2 June 2006

Are you there?
Hi again, LimoWreck, please answer to my questions as soon as you can, I don't think we should disagree so stupidly on such an important matter. I won't make any further move, but I'm expecting you to recognise the importance of quoting both Dutch and French OFFICIAL names when speaking of Belgium. I'm not talking about players or names and surnames of course, I controlled it and I saw I was wrong, but at least let's add the right double linguistic version to any official name, like stadiums, streets, places, associations and so on... I checked out and saw you're Dutch, so why so much reluctance? As soon as you want please answer. No vandalism, for certain. Gianmaria Framarin 18:25 2 June 2006
 * English has the habit of taking "french" names (unfortunately). Also, RSCA it's official name is "Royal", that is, the official name as registerend on the KBVB/URBSFA website. Check Dutch version or French version and look for matricule 35, you'll see the official name is R.S.C. Anderlecht, even in Flemish ;-) --LimoWreck 16:47, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * And about the historical old names, almost all clubs and names (also stadium names, officiale names of locations) used to be French at the beginning of the 20th century... --LimoWreck 16:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Yet again
Dear LimoWreck, things have changed since then, you know that. I can imagine you have probably already found a striking mass of problems on this subject, because I know there's plenty of Flemish people who'd like official Flemish names to appear beside the official French ones. I'd agree with them: it is now Grand Place/Grote Markt, there's no official document failing to quote both languages, and I do feel this is right. This way, it should also be Stade Roi Baudoin/Koning Boudewijnstadion or rue d'Amaule/Amaulestraat and Parc Astrid/Astridpark. It is like that on any other source, we know about this, and let me tell you that if I were a Flemish guy I'd do my best to add Flemish names to the French ones. It is a right they claim and that they've been given by the Belgian government as well (after all the Flemish are a majority group in Belgium), so I'd stick to that. Think about it. Bye. Gianmaria Framarin 3:42 3 June 2006

Electronic Music
Why that (those?) guy(s) are repeadetly deleting that link in the Electronic Music article? Brian W 11:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I have no idea. Maybe because it's French. It try to avoid foreign-language articles in the English wikipedia; however very informative sites in one of the well-known languages like French, German or Spanish can be usefull; and I believe this is one of the few sites that provides an extensive collection of information relevant for the topic... so, well, I add again when it's removed --LimoWreck 11:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I have a question for music fans: are you aware that electronic music is not electronic dance music? Did you ever realize that no university in the USA regard electronic music and the music for dancing as the same genre? Are you aware that this is not a music magazine? Are you aware of the meaning of the term encyclopedic? Are you aware of the difference between idiomatic expressions, slang and encyclopedic (formal) language? Are you aware that most of articles claiming to deal with electronic music subgenres are unsourced or grounded only on independent websites? Brian W 23:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Again, I have no idea whatsoever what you're babbling about this time --LimoWreck 23:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps you need to improve your knowledge of 'real spoken English? Brian W 23:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you need to learn to be clear what you are talking about, talking to the right persons, on the right moment, on the right subject... I'm not the first and only one who doesn't get a word of what you're trying to say... --LimoWreck 08:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Take a look here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thor_NL

Please stop
Please stop vandalizing my talk page. Brian W 11:10, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Please stop vandalizing my edits. You are a only an actor (or actress), as I already told you. Wny you continue to fool me, waste my time and try to destroy my "ego" ? Brian W 13:19, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Cite sources
I don't go to nightclubs, and listen to very little of the music that is played there. I don't know how the terms y'all are discussing are used, beyond some vague ideas based on my own experiences. The only way to solve this problem is to cite sources to support claims about how words are used. Wikipedia should not be promoting unused terminology, nor giving new meanings to established terminology. It is also not really enough to point to individual pages on the web where a term is used -- someone needs to cite a source where a reputable, knowledgeable person writes "the term electronic dance music refers to...". Anything else is pointless arguing, because whatever the result is will be removed and replaced by the first person to cite sources. It looks like few, if any, of the involved genres cite any references at all, so I'm not taking a position on what to do -- all articles without references are unacceptable and in violation of Wikipedia policy. Tuf-Kat 22:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Do what you want. Wikipedia is only a stupid game, I'm no longer interested in contributing on these topics. Usually, users that remove dispute templates are immediately banned, but you aren't yet. Maybe you are honestly right: Wikipedia is yours and none else has to touch your toy. Enjoy it Do not contact me anymore for any reason, I'll not post anything else on music genres. Please do not answer me. Thank you. Brian W 16:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Block of that IP
If that IP is a dynamic IP, it should be tagged as such - do you know which range it is dynamic in? Also, for your reference, I know of an administrator here User:R. Koot who speaks Dutch. I've asked him to look at the IP when he gets a chance. --HappyCamper 14:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It believe its in the range of Belgian ISP Telenet although I'm not sure. However, this is the major belgian cable ISP (i also use it sometimes for example), so blocking the range would really hurt thousands of people. However, the IP are not refreshed for weeks it seems when using a cable connection, so it should be possible to block him for editing for a while... --LimoWreck 14:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Well, just now in the block log, another administrator extended the block. I might reverse it later, since I think it is too long. However, I'll let the 24 hour one stand for now (after all there isn't a rush to unblock the IP), and I'll check with Ruud to see if he has something else to suggest. How's that? --HappyCamper 14:40, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Great. Anyway, as the guy promised to continue attacking WP by all means, we'll see what else he'll come up with. Regards --LimoWreck 14:43, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Markov process
You wrote:

 * can't redirect, a property and a process are too different concepts)

Certainly they are two different things, but it does not follow that you cannot redirect. Redirects do things like that all the time, and appropriately so. If you don't know that, you're very new to Wikipedia.

Is there something good in this article that's not at Markov chain? Is this article not completely misleading and very stupidly written? Michael Hardy 23:52, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sort of, however, people looking for information about a markov process are also misled when they have to read about the markov property. Talking about the wrong subject, or something that's only a bit related to it is misleading as well, so one might as well remove a bad article instead of redirecting to another subject... But of course, a small but correct article like you've created now is great ;-) --LimoWreck 20:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Queen
queen are progressive and are considered pioneers in progressive rock and progressive metal.

 * they have progressive rock influences. They are simply not one of the typical prog rock acts in the 70s, nor are they considered as one of the defining ones. You won't find them listed as one of the traditional prog rock bands. Besides, this article has nothing to do with progressive metal. --LimoWreck 13:42, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Tony Reed
I am the artist that this article addresses. I don't care whether I have an article on this site or not, but apparently at least one fanatic does. I don't challenge deleting the article so much as I suggest blocking the account of the user. After actually reading the article, however, I propose that it be changed. There are some things that Qabbalah wrote about me that are not completely true and some notable things that were left out. Also, there's some personal information posted there that I prefer not to be accessable to the public. How did he get my wedding photo? I certainly agree that the pages dedicated to my albums ought to be removed or merged. The same with Cafe Graffiti which was not notable except, perhaps, as a side note. I will be happy to change it myself, but I don't know how so you'll have to bear with me as I learn.

Not that this matters, but.. RE: WP:MUSIC, There are two "notable" credits - 1. I toured South America and Mexico with Elegant Machinery - 2. I have been played on "Alternative" stations owned by Clearchannel (Something I regret, but it qualifies) Also - It is important to note that I have sold enough copies of my first two albums to earn a gold record, but I refuse to join the pathetic agencies that masquerade as unions, so I don't qualify.User:TonySReed

Zao (band) -> Zao (punk band) -> Zao (US band)
You recently moved Zao (band) to Zao (punk band), which wasn't a very accurate title for it, given that Zao is a metal band. I've just moved it to Zao (US band) to try to keep the article out of genre debates. I hope it's ok with you. I've also left a message about this on that article's talk page. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 13:31, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Talk page signing

 * Why did you revert all of those changes I made? WP convention is to sign messages left on talk pages.  If you don't want to sign messages, then please refrain from leave any.  Robwingfield (talk) 00:22, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Why? Very simple, my experience learns that signing a warning on talk pages of anynomous vandals is an open invitation for them to vandalise the user pages or talk pages of the people putting the messages. Reverting vandalism in articles takes enough time, no need to deal with further annoyances. When posting a message on anonymous user talk pages, I only sign when it are editors making good contributions, needing help with their first edits, so they can more easily find my talk for more help. Blatant vandals and linkspammers are unwanted on WP, and also unwanted on my talk page, so keep my sign out --LimoWreck 00:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Veurne

 * Please do not remove content from Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.
 * Sorry about the Veurne delete. The intention was not vandalism, but simply an attempt to keep the article to what might be of interest to anglophone readers.  I thought it would be OK to go ahead since you marked your original addition to the Veurne article as a "minor" edit.  This being said, I recognize that my judgment on this is subjective and I should have asked you first (thanks for the lesson and sorry again).  Just one more thing: You may want to remove the list of 11 deelgemeentes, either in your section (where they are already listed twice) or at the top of the article to avoid duplication. LVan 03:31, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

krautrock deletions
This is twice now you've deleted a simple factual reference I added to the 'Influence on later generations' section without providing any adequate reason for doing so. The Secret Machines are more than well known enough, and distinctive from the other bands mentioned in terms of sound, to warrant mention here for their Harmonia cover.

Please provide a valid justification for this deletion, or restore it. Thank you.AntonSirius 10:07, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Provide a valid justification and reference for addition... Don't reverse the proove. We can't check everything, as people just keep spamming their favorite pet band. This small band doesn't seem very relevant in the krautrock story --LimoWreck 18:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

And *Laika* is somehow "relevant to the krautrock story"? The door has already been opened for references to modern bands who have picked up various strands of krautrock and made them their own. For their part the Secret Machines are popular enough to have been tabbed by Microsoft for one of their Zune launch concerts, and well-known enough for their krautrock influence that I've seen reviews for Harmonia re-issues start with lines like "Hey Secret Machines fans! This one's for you!"

If you want to restrict that section of the article to just "well-known" bands, I'd suggest cutting back to just Radiohead, Sterolab and Wilco, as they're the only bands the average person is likely to have even heard of. In fact listing both Stereolab and Mouse on Mars is very nearly redundant. But as it stands it seems to me -- with no axe to grind here at all -- that you're being far too possessive over the krautrock page. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the addition I made, with the possible exception that it wasn't detailed enough. If that's your objection than say so, rather than accusing me of "spamming my favorite pet band". AntonSirius 00:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Portland home of world reknown cyclocross riders
Thanks for doing that, I've been itching to do it for the past week but was wondering there was something going on I didn't know about. Will.law 05:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, as the world highest ranked cyclocross riders are from Europa (for decades), it didn't make sense ;-) --LimoWreck 18:28, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Prog rock
Why did you revert my changes to the prog rock article? Now its back to being full of heavily POV editorialising. You've also removed my requests for citations to quite dubious statements, and my changing of the statement that Chris Cutler started up Rock In Opposition all by himself. He didn't. RIO was formed by a coalition of broadly socialist musicians including memebers of Samla mamas mama, Univers Zero, Stormy 6, Etron Fou Leloublan and others, I should know, I was at the UK inaugral RIO gig in London in 1978. I'm not going to get into an edit war over it though, if you want an article on Prog that quite frankly stinks of elitism and pomposity and isn't properly referenced, fine by me, let some other editor fight over it quercus robur 21:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know who editted what, I only know one or more people removed entire sections that were giving an image of the prog rock genre, and stripped it down to some plain vague texts that actuyally don't seem to say anything. Feel free to correct factual details however. --LimoWreck 23:02, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Anon Talk Page Signing
I will reiterate what Robwingfield said above under the heading 'Talk Page Signing' — if you plan not to sign warnings posted to talk pages associated with vandals, please don't add those warnings. We should not be anonymously placing warnings, but rather take individual responsibility for them by signing them. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 23:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh right, don't add warnings to vandals talk page, but let them vandalize wikipedia without being logged. That's the spirit boy; way to go --LimoWreck 00:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You believe you would be the only one looking at those pages you tag, yes? I don't think so.  Further, if you have a problem with vandalism on your user or talk page you can request that they be protected.  So your reasoning for not signing (concern that anons will vandalize your user pages) is a non-starter - your pages can be protected if they become a target.  Now, I'd ask that you take responsibility for your actions and sign your warnings. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 00:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Welcoming New Users
First of all, I find your message to me both condescending and frivolous. I do look at the contributions of all NEW USERS before welcoming them and believe that even small contributions that improve an article should be acknowledged. Shoessss 13:04, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There you said it: "improve" an article... lots of anonymous "user" don't improve it all ;-) but vandalise --LimoWreck 17:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Question...
Did you leave this on my talk page by mistake? My name isn't anywhere in the history of Belgian football. Mistakes happen, so it's no big deal if it was. RyanGerbil10 (Упражнение В!) 00:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It must have been about: removal of Jupiler League template... --LimoWreck 00:25, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Systems
You are absolutely correct that the concept of systems is studied in a very generic way, but creating a category of everything that happens to have "system" in its name is not in fact helpful for or representative of such a study. A relevant guideline is WP:OCAT ("Unrelated subjects with shared names"). On Wikipedia, such issues are not decided by a vote count. HTH!  > R a d i a n t <  10:41, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

 * That guidelines is about "unrelated subjects"... The subjects in this category happen to be related, as they're studied together. --LimoWreck 11:37, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Systems and Category:Systems appeal
Many thanks for your support re Category:Systems. Following the deletion, Mdd has initiated a WikiProject Systems. If you would like to participate and support it, do add your name under WikiProject_Systems.

In addition, I'm trying for an appeal for Category:Systems — see Deletion_review/Log/2007_April_20 — we can see what happens anyway, but do add to the discussion! Procedure and following guidelines seems to be important for success, so do read the guidelines on overcategorization and add comments in the light of this if you wish. Best regards, Jonathan Bowen 18:30, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Belgium
Hey,

moest je er nog nooit van gehoord hebben: WikiProject Belgium is altijd op zoek naar nieuwe leden!

groeten, --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 08:31, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Ik zie wel :-) Ik heb echter nog handen vol werken op de NL wiki en op commons, en het tekenen van kaartjes. Maar een deel van het werk is wel hier bruikbaar, en af en toe hevel ik eens een klein artikel of coördinaten over naar hier :-) --LimoWreck 19:39, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Gustave Rolin-Jaequemyns
Ummmm... What part of the title of the page (WP:UCN) prompted you to undo most of the improvements i have spent time on? Kleuske 17:06, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Did something go wrong ? Sorry, i'll check it out... --LimoWreck 17:25, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music
It's up for deletion again. If you have good references for it being notable in its field, this would be a good time to bring them up.--SarekOfVulcan 15:56, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

merge proposals
When you propose merging two articles or two categories, it is helpful to provide some reasons or an explanation. Please review the Commons categories Guide signs and Direction road signs. Then, explain why they should merge. If you changed your mind, please indicate why on the Guide sign talk page. Thanks, Sehome Bay (talk) 23:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Courtray is back
user:Speha702, our fan of Courtray is back, even traces on the nl: --Foroa (talk) 06:13, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Signing warnings
Hey there. I don't know what program you're using to leave warnings on talk pages, but it seems that none of them are being signed - creating confusion as to who left the warning and when it was left. Any ideas? Tan  |   39  20:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

 * I see, the when is not visible indeed ;-) Unfortunately, I usually leave out the "who", after having too much bad experiences with vandals harassing later on (signing often seemed to be an invitation for them to start messing around on the user's talk page or his edits...) --LimoWreck (talk) 20:08, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I would say, that comes with the territory of vandal fighting. While you are by no means required to leave your signature, it's a maverick (why do I hate this word now) action and can sometimes be unhelpful to other editors. Think about signing your warnings - and at least leave a timestamp. Thanks! Tan   |   39  20:11, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Adding categories to IMO number categories
You added two categories to Category:IMO 6519338 in Commons. Definitely no wrong categories, it only works the other way around as intended. But my question is: Is it wise to add categories to IMO number categories?.

I created the category:Ships by IMO number in Commons to make it possible to find all files of a certain ship, when it is found under a certain name. More than 700 ships can be found already, feel free to help. It was not my intention to add categories to that particular category, as I assume is has no extra value and in categories a direction to an IMO number looks to me a little bit strange.

I put the question on the ship project page, to get a general policy. --Stunteltje (talk) 08:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Nationaal Wielermuseum, Roeselare
Hi, I put your photo of the museum on the page of Roeselare. But I do not like the cut, because there is too much street and a car on it. Could you overwork this photo please, so that only the building is to be seen? Thank you, --Nicola54 (talk) 10:31, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Robert van Kerckhoven
Hi there - I have reverted your move of this page, as 100% of references on the article confirm the correct spelling. Should you wish, please take it to WP:RM instead. Regards, GiantSnowman 15:35, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, the Belgian Football Association doesn't - they might be wrong, but from all references they're most trustworthy until we other officials sources prove them wrong --LimoWreck (talk) 15:40, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * A fair point, but this is the English-language Wikipedia, and English-language sources seem to spell it differently. Again, feel free to take it to WP:RM if you wish, where you can present your evidence and let the community decide. Regards, GiantSnowman 15:45, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * This is about proper names (!). People's names don't change in other countries, they remain what's on their ID. So there's nothing to decide, it's just what it is. Here's his pic with name in the 50's by the way . If you can give evidence his name is wrong, go ahead. About some other football sites: it's typical they copy around misspelled names (from whatever country by the way, even misspelled names English players sometimes get copied around) --LimoWreck (talk) 15:46, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Please familiarise yourself with WP:COMMONNAME, regarding English-language sources. And for the third and final time, take it to WP:RM, don't move the page again without consensus, that is disruptive behaviour. GiantSnowman 15:52, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * What's even more disrupting is people intentionally moving pages to incorrect names and intentionally adding wrong information on wikipedia and obstructing users making corrections (!) --LimoWreck (talk) 15:53, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Just because my sources contradict yours does not make them wrong! GiantSnowman 15:54, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Off course they're 99% wrong. If you trust some foreign sources over official club photographs from the 50's, and over the official FA website, then you clearly have a problem evaluating the value of sources... By the way, referring to COMMONNAME is utter nonsense, as peoples proper names don't just "change". --LimoWreck (talk) 15:58, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Interpreting sources is WP:OR, which isn't allowed...oh, and COMMONNAME isn't "nonsense", as it's an established Wikipedia guideline... GiantSnowman 16:02, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, but as this proper name doesn't change, it doesn't apply. And indeed, you're doing OR, you're imagining this name changes based on some bad website, and close you're eyes for official ones. When following reliable sources, the correct name is Van Kerkhoven. When doing OR, one can make up the incorrect name Van Kerckhoven --LimoWreck (talk) 16:04, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I am not doing OR - that is another guideline I suggest you read properly. Oh, and FIFA is not a "bad website", just because somebody/something opposed you does not mean they are bad/wrong! GiantSnowman 16:11, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, they are. You clearly have a lot to learn, young boy. --LimoWreck (talk) 16:17, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't patronise me, and remain civil. Please retract your comment. GiantSnowman 16:23, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Cheer up, maybe you'd prefer "young padawan", but this might sound a bit nerdy ;-) --LimoWreck (talk) 16:25, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * True, the Force is strong in me, but my point still stands - please comment on edits, not the editors. GiantSnowman 16:27, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Category:Magma albums
Category:Magma albums, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mike Selinker (talk) 19:09, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

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Belgian names are indivisible
You made a throw-away remark that got me thinking. And you look as though you may know the answer.

I am aware that there are differences in the spelling conventions between Belgian and Dutch. (And also both language versions seem to get changed by politicians from time to time in order to make sure the school children can have the chance to spell "more correctly" than those who have not attended school for several decades.)

BUT is there an agreed treatment, in Belgium, for names from history? During the nineteenth century a lot of Flemish / Dutch language sources seem to show Van der Maesen for what would today be Vandermaesen. Do names like that get retrospectively changed in twenty-first century history books? (There is, of course, added complication that in many parts of Flemish Belgium, the ruling class in the nineteenth century preferred to use French, but that's maybe for a different discussion?)  Presumably a wikipedia entry dealing with a nineteenth century person in a twenty-first century context should wish to follow best (Belgian) practice in determining whether (or not) to change retrospectively the Van der .... names.

I suppose another consideration is that names are very personal things. If a fellow chooses to write his name in a way that contravenes "the rules", then presumably the "personal liberty" to call yourself what you like should trump any "rules".

Thank you for any enlightenment you can provide on all this.

Regards Charles01 (talk) 06:37, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

 * Hi. Maybe I'd better clarify something on the word "indivisible". I mainly mean "indivisible" as far as alphabetical sorting is concerned.
 * Example:
 * The last name "De Smet" or "Desmet". Literally "the smith", so this name is equivalent of the English Smith (surname).
 * When sorting alphabetically (phone books, name registries, encyclopaedias, official document, name of registered people for a local charity action, whatever you can come up with...), names will be sort by the first letters of the last name. So "De Smet" is sorted on D, just as "Desmet".
 * So you don't even have to be aware of the official spelling of someones name: when you hear some is name "Desmet", you look it up in the index at "Desmet". Not at S.
 * Same with names starten with V. (Van der Heyden starts with V, just as Vanderheyden, not H)
 * Same with any other prefix: D'Hoore start with D, not H. D'hooghe starts with D, just as Dhooghe starts with D. So spaces, special characters don't play any role.
 * Similarly: names of French language origin start with their first letter: Le Mevel will be sorted at L, not M. McDonald is sorted on M, not D. Etc... So actually a very simple approach.
 * In Holland, they seem to split of the so-called 'prefix' (van, de, etc...), whereas in Belgian it's considered an integral part of the last name. So in Holland they would sort "De Smet" on S (???) whereas "Desmet" is sorted on D... Not very handy, but so be it.
 * (PS: for old nobility names with the prefix 'de', the usage is sometimes a bit different)
 * I was not talking about the spelling of the name. For 19-20-21st century names it usually quite clear with the official spelling of the name is/was. (with space, without space). Although some sources may contradict each other, mainly for old names. For earlier names it may happen even more: there were fewer official documents (birth, marriage and death certificate, etc..) and the officials may have spelled the name as they liked. Usually names won't change retrospectively, as family names are kept throughout the centuries as they were. But it may always happen some isolated sources made an error. Of course we don't have to stick to that isolate source then. On the other hand, there are also cases where 19th century official made a spelling error, and that error is then kept official in that branch of the family. But that's usually not something we should worry about. That's the concern of the officials and the family what they did with their name at that point. Etc...
 * I short: with 'invisible' I wasn't referring the the spelling of the name. All forms exist. And as you see: there are > 10.000 people with the name "Van Damme" and > 4.800 with the name "Vandamme". Those are their official names, all sorted on V, and it's not up to us to change their official name of course ;-) If the 19th century person was named "Vandamme", well that's his name. If his name was "Van Damme", then that's his name.
 * Regards --LimoWreck (talk) 19:52, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Regards --LimoWreck (talk) 19:52, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

 * Noted.  Interesting.   Many thanks.  Charles01 (talk) 03:36, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

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Clermont Club

The Clermont Set was an exclusive group of rich British gamblers who met at the Clermont Club, originally at 44 Berkeley Square, in London's fashionable Mayfair district. It closed in March 2018, re-opened in early 2022, and then temporarily closed again in August 2022.

Premises
The house at 44 Berkeley Square was built in 1740 (to the design of the architect William Kent) for Lady Isabella "Bell" Finch (1700–1771) who was a Lady of the Bedchamber to Princess Amelia. It is famed for its theatrical staircase and large grand saloon "one of the finest rooms of its scale and period in London", the saloon design was based on the famous Double Cube Room at Wilton House in Wiltshire. William Kent was also a close associate of Lady Bell's niece Countess of Burlington and had also worked on Burlington House. As she never married, the house was inherited by her nephew George Finch-Hatton in 1771.

It was purchased in 1774 by William Henry Fortescue, 1st Earl of Clermont (1722–1806), an Irish peer, and served as his London townhouse. Princess Amelia visited the house frequently, even after Lady Bell Finch's passing since the new owner Lord Clermont was also her friend.

Lord and Lady Clermont entertained lavishly at the house and hosted their friends including, Prince of Wales, Duchess of Devonshire, Charles James Fox, Duke of Portland, Duke of Orléans

History
It was the first London casino opened by John Aspinall after he received a gaming licence under Britain's new gambling law. Aspinall sold the club in 1972 to Playboy Enterprises, which was forced to sell it in 1982 when it lost its licence.

Members
The club was founded in 1962 by John Aspinall and the original membership included five dukes, five marquesses, almost twenty earls and two cabinet ministers.

Society figures who frequented the club included Peter Sellers, Ian Fleming, David Stirling, Lucian Freud, Lord Lucan, Lord Derby, Lord Boothby, and the Duke of Devonshire.

Businessman members included James Goldsmith, Tiny Rowland, Gianni Agnelli, Jim Slater, and Kerry Packer.

Private Eye allegations
In 1976 Goldsmith initiated a libel action against the satirical magazine Private Eye, which had alleged that members of the Clermont Set, including Goldsmith, had conspired to shelter Lord Lucan after Lucan was suspected of murdering his family nanny, Sandra Rivett. Goldsmith won a partial victory and eventually reached a settlement with the magazine.

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User talk:Lilious~enwiki

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Rick Dangerous 2

Rick Dangerous 2 is a platform game developed by Core Design for the Amiga, Atari ST, Amstrad CPC, ZX Spectrum, Commodore 64, and MS-DOS. It was released in 1990 and published by Micro Style as a sequel to Rick Dangerous.

Plot
At the end of Rick Dangerous, an alien invasion comes to Earth. As Rick Dangerous 2 starts, UFOs land in London. The image shift in the character of Rick Dangerous is evident from the start: the coat is nowhere to be found and the Indiana Jones-style hat from the previous episode is almost symbolically blown off by a laser beam coming from one of the spaceships in the introduction sequence. One UFO lands in Hyde Park, and Rick goes there to settle the score with the aliens.

Gameplay
There are a number of changes to the game play that make the Rick Dangerous 2 more complex and more challenging than its predecessor. For a start, Rick is now armed with a laser gun and bombs that can not only be placed but slid, making way for strategic bomb-placement. The pogo stick is replaced by a punch attack. Rick can also employ a special flying vehicle in certain areas of the game that allows for faster movement, but this may also become a danger factor.

Also, while there is a linear story to the game, the first four levels may be played in any order. Completing these four levels (Hyde Park, the ice caverns on the planet Freezia, the deep forest of Vegetablia and the "atomic mud mines") unlocks the fifth and final level, the Fat Guy's Headquarters, which ends in a boss fight. This level can then be played as often as desired, until the player quits the game, but the endgame movie only plays if the player completes all five levels in order.

Unclosed ending
The end of Rick Dangerous 2 does not complete the story. The game finishes with a cliffhanger, with the Fat Guy escaping at the final moment via a teleporter device, and Rick following him with familiar caption "What will Rick do next?". Though this may have hinted another sequel to the story, Rick Dangerous 3 was never made. Although a "Rick Dangerous II½" was given away by The One Amiga on a cover disk, this was only a few additional levels and more of a demo than an actual sequel. Many of the concepts featured in these levels were later used in a Super Nintendo Entertainment System game titled Danger Dan, which was also unfinished. Both games were re-released under the budget label Kixx.

Reception
The ZX Spectrum version fared well amongst its respective magazines. CRASH awarded the sequel game a "CRASH Smash" accolade with 90% in their issue #82. Your Sinclair also gave the game a 90 rating, calling the game superior to the original.

Amstrad Action gave the highest rating of the lot for the Amstrad version, and the highest rated game in AA history at the time, with a 97% rating and a "MasterGame" award. Computer and Video Games also gave the CPC version a high rating of 90%.

Zzap!64 reviewed the C64 version in issue 67 and gave it a 75%, ACE (Advanced Computer Entertainment magazine) awarded the same C64 game an 889 (out of a possible 1000) overall rating.

The Amiga game scored highly as well. CU Amiga gave an 89% rating and a "CU Screen Star" award in their November 1990 issue. Amiga Format awarded the Amiga game their 'Gold' award with a 92% rating. The game was ranked the 17th best game of all time by Amiga Power.

Atari ST reviews were also positive; The One gave the game an overall rating of 90%, while Zero magazine gave an overall 84% rating in its October 1990 review.

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Keszthely

Keszthely (also known by alternative names) is a Hungarian city of 20,895 inhabitants located on the western shore of Lake Balaton. It is the second largest city by the lake and one of the more important cultural, educational and economic hubs in the region. Due to its favorable location and accessibility by both road and rail, Keszthely and the surrounding area is a preferred holiday destination.

From the middle of the 5th century until the middle of the 7th century the Keszthely Culture flourished in the area.

The Faculty for Agriculture of University of Pannonia is located in Keszthely. George Fejer, Hungarian author and librarian at the University of Pest, was born in Keszthely in 1766.

Etymology and names
The name comes from Slavic *Kostel, see also the etymology of Kesztölc. Hungarian hely: a site, a location. The Hungarian part of the name could be potentially formed by a phonetic similarity and folk etymology Kesztely→Keszthely. 1247 Kesztel.

The city is also known by alternative names in other languages: Kesthell; Mogentiana, later Castellum; and Blatenski Kostel.

Location
The city of Keszthely is located on the northwest corner of Lake Balaton, on the shore of one of the biggest lakes in Central Europe. The city is surrounded by forests and rolling hills to the north, plains to the southeast and the lake. South from the city lies Kis-Balaton (Little Balaton), a swamp which is a part of the Zala river delta and acts as a natural water purifier for Lake Balaton. The swamp is particularly known as a water fowl habitat and enjoys international recognition and protection as a nature reserve.

The city also enjoys the proximity of Hévíz, a town famous for its spa and health services. Keszthely is very close to some northern Balaton wine regions which are known to produce high-quality white wines from locally cultivated varieties.

Keszthely is easily and rather quickly accessible by car from both Budapest, the capital of Hungary, and Vienna, the capital of Austria. Direct bus services between Keszthely and Budapest run several times a day.

Museum
Balaton Museum

The Balaton Museum Association was established in 1898 for among all Sandor Lovassy's initiation. The starting of the museum building in Keszthely was in 1925 with the help of count Taszilo Festetics, on the basis of Györgyi Denes's design in Neo-baroque style. With the building of the first museum in Zala county, the stones from pulled down stables next to Festetics Mannsion were used as well. The collection shows the archeological, ethnographical, historical and natural scientific values of the Balaton area.

Climate
Keszthely's climate is classified as oceanic climate (Köppen Cfb). The annual average temperature is 11.0 C, the hottest month in July is 21.3 C, and the coldest month is 0.1 C in January. The annual precipitation is 638.9 mm, of which August is the wettest with 71.4 mm, while January is the driest with only 25.0 mm. The extreme temperature throughout the year ranged from -20.6 C on December 21, 2009 to 38.5 C on August 4, 2017.

Twin towns – sister cities
Keszthely is twinned with:

 * 🇹🇷 Alanya, Turkey
 * 🇩🇪 Boppard, Germany
 * Hof van Twente, Netherlands
 * 🇵🇱 Jędrzejów, Poland
 * 🇸🇰 Levoča, Slovakia
 * 🇷🇴 Odorheiu Secuiesc, Romania
 * 🇵🇱 Piwniczna-Zdrój, Poland
 * 🇵🇱 Stary Sącz, Poland
 * 🇨🇿 Turnov, Czech Republic

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administrateur ?
Es-tu administrateur ici aussi ? Si oui, pourrais-tu effacer User:Staatenloser et son historique, merci. Staatenloser 02:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Luciano Alimandi
Your request for a page on Luciano Alimandi got it started. Please feel free top add to it. History2007 (talk) 23:38, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Here is a starting point
Here is a good source to define energy..  LoveMonkey (talk) 16:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Vatican conspiracy theories
I have nominated Vatican conspiracy theories, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Vatican conspiracy theories. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 12:50, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Williamson controversy
Hello, while I value your contributions to the Williamson article I would like to some advice:
 * please do not simply add "X said Y" to the article without including it into a proper context
 * please avoid giving unnecessary detail (such as the university where the Msgr is a professor)
 * when using a referenced source, please do not simply pick one element and leave out the rest: that the Swedish SSPX superior as well as the RC diocesis in Sweden distanced themselves is just as important as Schmidberger and more important then quoting Schmidberger at great length.
 * MOST IMPORTANTLY: when referencing a source, please use the actual title used, not a summary of what you think relevant.

Thanks, Str1977 (talk) 14:33, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I don't know why the Swedish diocese part is more relevant, it is likely not, since we are to assume that the SSPX and the diocese are really two separate and likely conflictual entities, which would disagree on almost anything else anyways. However the fact that Father Schmidberger did condemn Williamson is relevant, since on other relevant matters they have been on same side and otherwise fought the same battles. ADM (talk) 14:39, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Please read my posting more carefully. I did not say the diocesis part is more relevant than Schmidberger but just as relevant (though I may grant you that it is slightly less important than the two SSPX superiors' comments). And it is a fact that it has distanced itself. Also the Swedish superior has also distanced himself. And yes, Schmidberger is relevant he is therefore included - though not by name. What is not relevant is quoting Schmidberger verbatim. I hope your silence on the other matters means agreement. Str1977 (talk) 14:44, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

 * The rest is formalism, which I am good at, although I am kind of a substantialist, more interested by substance than form, albeit I surely will pay attention to what you said. ADM (talk) 14:55, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Str1977 (talk) 14:57, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

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thank you for creating Pontifical Academy for Life. Cheers, Kingturtle (talk) 20:48, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Traditions of the Church
If you want to restore the Catholic Church to traditional values, finding a way to keep child molestors out of the priesthood would be a good start. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 19:32, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

 * The ugly truth is that a HUGE percentage of molestors are also gay. Therefore we have got a BAN on all gay seminarians, see for example Instruction Concerning the Criteria for the Discernment of Vocations with regard to Persons with Homosexual Tendencies in view of their Admission to the Seminary and to Holy Orders. If you had a similar rule for teachers, lawyers and doctors, I suppose it would have the same kind of impact. ADM (talk) 21:02, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Well, the priests molesting boys could be assumed to be gay, sure. I'm pleased to see that they are indeed taking some action. The scandals of a few years back were a huge black eye on the Church. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 00:26, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

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FYI, there's a discussion about your edits at WP:AN/I. Cheers. Fraud talk to me  00:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I'm not a monolithic editor, but I am however interested in various controversies and news-related events, and this sometimes gets me into the lion's den. Take no offense pal, cheers. ADM (talk) 00:34, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No offense intended, just wanted to let you know that some other editors were discussing your edits, and that you may want to respond to it. Was just a friendly notice. :) Fraud  talk to me  00:44, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

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Multiple Spanning Tree Protocol

The Multiple Spanning Tree Protocol (MSTP) and algorithm, provides both simple and full connectivity assigned to any given virtual LAN (VLAN) throughout a bridged local area network. MSTP uses bridge protocol data unit (BPDUs) to exchange information between spanning-tree compatible devices, to prevent loops in each Multiple Spanning Tree instance (MSTI) and in the common and internal spanning tree (CIST), by selecting active and blocked paths. This is done as well as in Spanning Tree Protocol (STP) without the need of manually enabling backup links and getting rid of switching loop danger.

Moreover, MSTP allows frames/packets assigned to different VLANs to follow separate paths, each based on an independent MSTI, within MST regions composed of local area networks (LANs) and MST bridges. These regions and the other bridges and LANs are connected into a single common spanning tree (CST).

History and motivation
It was originally defined in IEEE 802.1s as an amendment to 802.1Q, 1998 edition and later merged into IEEE 802.1Q-2005 Standard, clearly defines an extension or an evolution of Radia Perlman's Spanning Tree Protocol (STP) and the Rapid Spanning Tree Protocol (RSTP). It has some similarities with Cisco Systems' Multiple Instances Spanning Tree Protocol (MISTP), but there are some differences.

The original STP and RSTP work on the physical link level, preventing bridge loops when redundant paths are present. However, when a LAN is virtualized using VLAN trunking, each physical link represents multiple logical connections. Blocking a physical link blocks all its logical links and forces all traffic through the remaining physical links within the spanning tree. Redundant links cannot be utilized at all. Moreover, without careful network design, seemingly redundant links on the physical level may be used to connect different VLANs and blocking any of them may disconnect one or more VLANs, causing bad paths.

Instead, MSTP provides a potentially better utilization of alternate paths by enabling the use of alternate spanning trees for different VLANs or groups of VLANs.

Multiple Spanning Tree Instances (MSTI)
As MSTP enables grouping and mapping VLANs into different spanning tree instances, there's an urge of determining a group or set of VLANs, which are all using the same spanning tree, this is what we come to know as a MSTI.

Each instance defines a single forwarding topology for an exclusive set of VLANs, by contrast, STP or RSTP networks contains only a single spanning tree instance for the entire network, which contains all the VLANs. A region can include:

While each MSTI can have multiple VLANs, each VLAN can be associated with only one MSTI.
 * Internal Spanning-Tree Instance (IST): Default spanning tree instance in any MST region. All VLANs in this IST instance conform a single spanning tree topology, allowing only one forwarding path between any two nodes. It also provides the root switch for any VLAN configured switches which are not specifically assigned to a MSTI.
 * Multiple Spanning Tree Instance (MSTI): Unlike IST, this kind of instance comprises all static VLANs specifically assigned to it and at least, must include one VLAN.

MSTP Regions
A set of interconnected switches that must have configured the same VLANs and MSTIs, also have the same following parameters: An MSTI is unable to span across MST regions because of its inherent locality to a single MST region. This is done by an identifying number for each MSTI. For achieving the task of assigning each bridge to a region, each switch/bridge must compare their MST Configuration Identifiers (Format Selector, Region Name, Revision Level and Configuration Digest), either of them represents VLAN to MSTIs mapping for each bridge.
 * MST Configuration Name
 * Revision Level
 * Configuration Digest: Mapping of which VLAN are mapped to which MST instances.

Common and Internal Spanning Tree (CST/CIST)
We can differentiate two kinds of conformated Spanning Trees into the different networks created by MSTP, these are: The role of the Common Spanning Tree (CST) in a network, and the Common and Internal Spanning Tree (CIST) configured on each device, is to prevent loops within a wider network that may span more than one MSTP Region and parts of the network running in legacy STP or RSTP mode.
 * Common Spanning Tree (CST): Administers the connectivity among MST regions, STP LANs and RSTP LANs in a bridged network.
 * Common Internal Spanning Tree (CIST): Identifies regions in a network and administers the CIST root bridge for the network, for each region and for each spanning tree instance in each region. It's also the default spanning tree instance of MSTP so that any VLAN which isn't a member of a particular MSTI, will be a member of the CIST. Furthermore, works as well as the spanning tree that runs between regions and between MST regions and Single Spanning Tree (SST) entities.

MSTP Bridge Protocol Data Units (BPDU)
Its main function is enabling MSTP to select its root bridges for the proper CIST and each MSTI. MSTP includes all its spanning tree information in a single BPDU format. Not only does reduce the number of BPDUs required on a LANs to communicate spanning tree information for each VLAN, but it also ensures backward compatibility with RSTP (and in effect, classic STP too).

BPDUs' general format comprises a common generic portion -octets 1 to 36- that are based on those defined in IEEE Standard 802.1D, 2004, followed by components that are specific to CIST -octets 37 to 102. Components specific to each MSTI are added to this BPDUs data block.

BPDU table info and STP BPDUs  show a deeper resume of the MSTP BPDU format and, besides, some additional information about how was this object structured in older or different versions of this protocol as STP and RSTP, maintaining its compatibility.

MSTP Configuration Identification
In case there is an allocation of VIDs (VLAN IDs) into a MST Region which differs within the different bridges that compound it, frames for some VIDs might be duplicated or even not delivered to some LANs at all. To avoid this, MST Bridges check that they are allocating VIDs to the same spanning trees as their neighboring MST Bridges in the same Region by transmitting and receiving MST Configuration Identifiers along with the spanning tree information. These MST Configuration Identifiers, while compact, are designed so that two matching identifiers have a very high probability of denoting the same configuration even in the absence of any supporting management practice for identifier allocation. Either one of this "objects" contains the following:
 * Configuration Identifier Format Selector: Indicates the use which is going to be given to the following components.
 * Configuration Name
 * Revision Level and the Configuration Digest: A 16B signature HMAC-MD5 Algorithms created from the MST Configuration Table.

This object is specific and unique of MSTP, neither STP or RSTP use it.

Protocol Operation
MSTP configures for every VLAN a single spanning tree active topology in a manner that there's at least one data route between any two end stations, eliminating data loops. It specifies various "objects" allowing the algorithm to operate in a proper way. The different bridges in the various VLANs start advertising their own configuration to other bridges using the MST Configuration Identifier in order to allocate frames with given VIDs (VLAN ID) to any of the different MSTI. A priority vector is utilized to construct the CIST, it connects all the bridges and LANs in a Bridged LAN and ensures that paths within each region are always preferred to paths outside the Region. Besides, there is a MSTI priority vector, this one compromises the necessary information to build up a deterministic and independently manageable active topology for any given MSTI within each region.

Additionally, comparisons and calculations done by each bridge select a CIST priority vector for each Port (based on priority vectors, MST Configuration Identifiers and on an incremental Path Cost associated to each receiving port). This leads to one bridge been selected as the CIST Root of the Bridged LAN; then, a minimum cost path to the root is shifted out for each Bridge and LANs (thus preventing loops and ensuring full connectivity between VLANs). Subsequently, in each region, the bridge whose minimum cost path to the root doesn't pass through another bridge with the same MST Conf.ID will be identified as its Region's CIST Regional Root. Conversely, each Bridge whose minimum cost path to the Root is through a Bridge using the same MST Configuration Identifier is identified as being in the same MST Region as that Bridge.

In summary, MSTP encodes some additional information in its BPDU regarding region information and configuration, each of these messages conveys the spanning tree information for each instance. Each instance can be assigned several configured VLANs, frames (packets) assigned to these VLANs operate in this spanning tree instance whenever they are inside the MST region. To avoid conveying their entire VLAN to spanning tree mapping in each BPDU, bridges encode an MD5 digest of their VLAN to instance table in the MSTP BPDU. This digest is then used by other MSTP bridges, along with other administratively configured values, to determine if the neighboring bridge is in the same MST region as itself.

Common Internal Spanning Tree Ports

 * Root: Provides the minimum cost path from the Bridge to the CIST Root through the Regional Root.
 * Designated: Provides the least cost path from the attached LAN through the Bridge to the CIST Root.
 * Alternate or Backup: Provides connectivity if other Bridges, Bridges Ports or LANs fail or are erased.

Multiple Spanning Tree Instance Ports

 * Root: Provides the minimum cost path from the Bridge to the MSTI Regional Root.
 * Designated: Provides the least cost path from the attached LANs through the Bridge to the Regional Root.
 * Master: Provides connectivity from the Region to a CIST Root that lies outside the Region. The Bridge Port that is the CIST Root port for the CIST Regional Root is the Master port for all MSTI.
 * Alternate or Backup: Provides connectivity if other Bridges, Bridges ports or LANs fail or are erased.

RSTP compatibility
MSTP is designed to be STP and RSTP compatible and interoperable without additional operational management practice, this is due to a set of measurements based on RSTP (Clause 17 of IEEE Std 802.1D, 2004 Edition) intending to provide the capability for frames assigned to different VLANs, to be transmitted along different paths within MST Regions.

Both protocols have in common various issues such as: the selection of the CIST Root Bridge (it uses the same fundamental algorithm, 17.3.1 of IEEE Std 802.1D,  2004 Edition, but with extended priority vector components within MST Regions), the selection of the MSTI  Root Bridge and computation of port roles for each MSTI, the port roles used by the CIST are the same as those of STP and RSTP (with the exception of the Master Port), and the state variables associated with each port.

Into the bargain, they also share some problems as, for instance: MSTP can't protect against temporary loops caused by the inter-connection of two LANs segments by devices other than the Bridges that operate invisibly with respect to support of the Bridges' MAC Internal Sublayer Service.

For all the above, it can be concluded that MSTP is fully compatible with RSTP bridges, an MSTP BPDU can be interpreted by an RSTP bridge as an RSTP BPDU. This not only allows compatibility with RSTP bridges without configuration changes, but also causes any RSTP bridges outside of an MSTP Region to see the region as a single RSTP bridge, regardless of the number of MSTP bridges inside the region itself.

Protocol configuration
This section is mainly oriented to provide any user a proper manner of configuring a MSTP network over Cisco devices.

Before configuring MSTP
Be sure of having configured VLANs and having associated them with switch ports, afterwards determine: MSTP Regions, revision level and instances; which VLANs and switch ports will belong to which MSTIs and, finally, which devices do you want to be root bridges for each MSTI.

Configuration guidelines for MSTP
A VLAN can only be mapped to one MSTI or to the CIST. One VLAN mapped to multiple spanning trees is not allowed. All the VLANs are mapped to the CIST by default. Once a VLAN is mapped to a specified MSTI, it is removed from the CIST.To avoid unnecessary STP processing, a port that is attached to a LAN with no other bridges/switches attached, can be configured as an edge port.
 * 1) Switches must have the same MST configuration identification elements (region name, revision level and VLAN to MSTI mapping) to be in the same MST region. When configuring multiple MST regions for MSTP, MSTIs are locally significant within an MST region. MSTIs will not span from one region to another region.
 * 2) Common and Internal Spanning Tree (CIST) is the default spanning tree instance for MSTP. This means that all VLANs that are not explicitly configured into another MSTI are members of the CIST.
 * 3) The software supports a single instance of the MSTP Algorithm consisting of the CIST and up to 15 MSTIs.

An example of how to configure a simple, three switch MSTP topology wherein a layer-two access switch carries four VLANs and has two uplinks to two distribution switches, can be found here: MSTP Configuration Guide

A good configuration view, from the above-mentioned example shall be: S3# show spanning-tree mst

Bridge       address 000e.8316.f500  priority      32768 (32768 sysid 0) Root         address 0013.c412.0f00  priority      0     (0 sysid 0) port   Fa0/13          path cost     0 Regional Root address 0013.c412.0f00 priority      0     (0 sysid 0) internal cost 200000   rem hops 19 Operational  hello time 2, forward delay 15, max age 20, txholdcount 6 Configured   hello time 2, forward delay 15, max age 20, max hops    20 Interface       Role Sts Cost      Prio.Nbr Type --- -  Fa0/13           Root FWD 200000    128.13   P2p Fa0/16          Altn BLK 200000    128.16   P2p Bridge       address 000e.8316.f500  priority      32769 (32768 sysid 1) Root         address 000f.345f.1680  priority      1     (0 sysid 1) port   Fa0/16          cost          200000    rem hops 19 Interface       Role Sts Cost      Prio.Nbr Type --- -  Fa0/13           Altn BLK 200000    128.13   P2p Fa0/16          Root FWD 200000    128.16   P2p
 * 1) MST0    vlans mapped:   1-19,21-39,41-4094
 * 1) MST1    vlans mapped:   20,40

Alternative Multiple Spanning Tree Protocol (AMSTP)
The first skel of this protocol was proposed in. AMSTP is a simplified one tree instance rooted at each edge bridge in the core to forward frames.

Protocol operation
To set up these trees, AMSTP relies in one basic tree which will be used to obtain instances (named Alternate Multiple Spanning Tree Instances – AMSTI), until one of them is built per switch for the network. The process applied to build up the main/basic tree is the same as in RSTP. In summary, firstly a bridge must be elected as the Root Bridge (this is done by the emission of BPDUs from each switch on the network periodically, every "Hello Time", and selecting the lowest Bridge ID). Then, every switch will compute and calculate its cost to the Root Bridge and, afterwards, the root ports must be elected by selecting the one which receives the best BPDU, this is, the one that announces minimum path cost to root bridge.

BPDUs
AMSTP BPDUs use the same local multicast protocol addresses than STP and have a structure that resembles MSTP BPDUs since both are comprised essentially of a basic BPDU and several AM-Records, allowing full-backwards compatibility with RSTP and STP standard protocols. Each of the AM-Records contains the data used to negotiate a specific tree instance (AMSTI). Every ABridge, except for the elected root bridge, creates an AM-Record for its own spanning tree instances. They are used by connected ports of neighboring switches to negotiate the transitions of each tree instance with a proposal/agreement mechanism.

ABRIDGES
This protocol, developed in emphasizes in the terms of efficiency in network usage and path length. That's the main cause why it uses AMSTP, a simplified and self-configuring version of MSTP protocol.

Abridges can be described as a two-tiered hierarchy of layer-two switches in which network islands running independent rapid spanning tree protocols communicate through a core formed by island root bridges (ABridges). As it has been mentioned, it is focused in terms of efficiency, this is due to the ability of AMSTP to provide optimum paths in the core mesh and the usage of RSTP to aggregate efficiently the traffic at islands networks. Its convergence speed is as fast as RSTP and MSTP.

Architecture
With the objective of enhancing the properties of Abridges protocol, a two-level hierarchical link layer infrastructure in which segmentation is performed at link layer is proposed. The core will be composed, primarily, by Abridges (Bridges using an implementation of AMSTP) and will oversee connecting the leaf access networks that are referred to as "access layer". Besides, each of this access networks, also called islands, will be a layer-two sub-network using STP connected to one or more Abridges.

Protocol operation
Inside every island or access network a bridge is automatically elected to behave as the Root Bridge, this one bridge will behave as a gateway, allowing the forwarding of frames from the core to an island and conversely. Just one Abridge is going to perform these gateway functions, although many could be connected. Communication among 802.1D bridges and between standard 802.1D bridges and ABridges does not require point-to-point connections.

The ABridge receiving an ARP frame from an island host obtains the island in which the destination is located by asking an ARP server where the host was previously registered by its island ABridge. This server stores the IP to MAC mapping and the island ABridge ID. The ARP servers distribute its load based on equal result of short hashing of the IP addresses served. The core self-configures and the operation is transparent to all hosts and standard switches at islands.

ABridges functionality
ABridges is composed by three basic functional modules, which could be resumed in: Abridges will configure each of their ports to be part either of the core or of an island, this port self-configuration is done with very simple stipulations: if a port is not connected to another Abridge using a point-to-point link, it will turn itself an access port; on the other hand, ports directly connected to another Abridge are configured as core ports. This auto-configuration mechanism is pretty like the one used in RSTP.
 * STD Bridge: Performs standard bridging functions with the nodes of its island. The access functionality resides on the access ports of this module, which has an equivalent behavior to a standard bridge acting as a root bridge.
 * AMSTP Routing: Routes frames between Abridges and the Gateway. It has core ports, either of them interconnect ABridges, which learn root bridge IDs from the AMSTP BPDUs received and store this information in a database, known as "Forwarding Database".
 * GateWay: Interconnects the above-mentioned modules.

ARP and ABridge resolution
As any layer-two based protocol, ABridges uses ARP broadcasts to obtain the link layer address associated to an IP address at the same LAN or VLAN. That is the main cause why avoiding overflooding is a matter of paramount priority; to limit this broadcast traffic, is recommended the use of distributed load ARP servers, although its use is not compulsory.

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