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Talk:All by Myself

The Green Day song
Probably equally notable is the earlier song of the same name by Eric Carmen, so a redirect to Green Day is inadequate. Dab page, perhaps? If this were a VfD I'd vote "no", or it gets silly with dab pages for every possible song with titles recorded by various people. Tonywalton | Talk 22:04, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Clearly, this page should be made into a Disambiguation, with links to all the songs, albums, etc. that might carry this title. The present content can be used as the pertinent entry for the Green Day song (that is why I've not speedy deleted it).  A VfD remains an option, of course.  Regards, Redux 00:21, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I take your point, but could not this lead to an explosion of dab pages for every possible track with a coincidentally-similar name by multiple bands? I'm not talking about cover versions, simply tracks which happen, possibly years apart, to have the same name. That's why I feel deleting would be preferable in this case; this is one I happen to know about – there must be a lot more. Tonywalton [[Image:Pentacle.svg|15px]] | Talk 00:27, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Just to add, with the probability of adding to the already long list of VfD bandcruft with dab page edits along the lines of

Tonywalton | Talk 00:33, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yellow Submarine - track by the Beatles
 * Yellow Submarine - track by Suzie's Big Unnotable Cat".
 * You do have a point. But I'm thinking: if we delete it, we just leave the way open for a future recreation (for the Green Day song again, or for another track of the same name), and we'd be back to square one.  By leaving it, we provide a more neutral entry that will not allow the creation of an unsuited page (which is the present article).  Furthermore, we can never completely exclude, I believe, that a reader might very well type "All by Myself" in the search box, thinking of "some song".  The article listing the variants would be useful to help the reader locate which song/band (s)he is looking for.  I'm not thinking of a blunt list though.  Perhaps we could create some content, for instance, opening along these lines: All by Myself is the title of several songs by various singers and bands, including but not necessarily limited to:(...) .  Maybe we could even do some research and find out which one was the very first song to carry this title, and have it included in the article.  It's a thought.  Regards, Redux 01:03, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * That: " All by Myself is the title of several songs by various singers and bands, including but not necessarily limited to:(...) " is basically a disambiguation page, isn't it? Probably that would be the best solution, if members of  Suzie's Big Unnotable Cat could be automatically blocked from editing the Yellow Submarine entry. I'll think a bit more, however it being past 2am where I am I think I'll drop this now for the moment! Tonywalton [[Image:Pentacle.svg|15px]] | Talk 01:13, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Karaoke mention
I deleted the sentence about this song being sometimes used as a karaoke song, as that seems not notable enough to be included in an article. Xiner 22:30, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Infobox
An infobox was requested for the 1976 Eric Carmen recording of "All by Myself" at WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles/List_of_notable_songs/1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by InnocuousPseudonym (talk • contribs) 04:58, 2 September 2007 (UTC) ✅

Céline Dion cover section
Hi,

"All by Myself" is a beautiful 70's song by Eric Carmen. In 1996 it was covered by Celine Dion and included on her very successful 30 million selling album Falling into You. The song itself was also released as a single and became a worldwide hit. It's Dion's signature song and one of her most powerful vocal performances (Grammy Awards of 1997 for example). Many artists recorded this song but none of them was so successful as Dion's recording.

Above are just few reasons why Celine Dion section should be included in this article. If you want to extend the Eric Carmen section, please do so. However, the lack of informations about Carmen's release shouldn't cause the removal of Dion's section.

Vandalism is a strong word. Please use it carefully. I'm editing Wikipedia for some time and taking it very seriously.

I'm reverting your edits and starting a discussion here. Max24 (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia is about being objective: You're a big fan of Celine Dion. All of your edits are Celine Dion. Fine. But the objective reality is that this article is NOT about Celine Dion. It's about a song which she happened to cover - along with many others. As it stands now - with your version reverted - the article makes reference to her version. And that's enough. So let's keep it like that and not allow our own feelings to muddy things up? Marcus22 (talk) 18:50, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I dont think anyone has a problem with the infobox. It can certainly stay as far as I am concerned.  If it has gone (again), it has gone as part of the contiguous dispute over the excess of Dion stuff.  I agree that it looks OK.  All the other stuff, however, is well over the top.  Marcus22 (talk) 22:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Infobox kept, but Eric Carmen's. He wrote it, he released it first, he got it in the charts first. Celine Dion is mentioned in the article, she is just another cover artist when it comes to this single. There are far bigger names further up the queue than her, e.g. Frank Sinatra. -- Web H amster  23:27, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

 * WebHamster puts that pretty well it seems to me. The article now reads as it should.  Marcus22 (talk) 11:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Infobox

 * Well I haven't seen so much BS written in one place in quite a while. There is nothing about multiple infoboxes or even anything about covers on WP:SONGS. Dion is not the original artist, she's just a cover artist, one amongst many and it would be OTT and bloody stupid for song to have an infobox for every single artist that covered it. The project you bang on about doesn't cover it, it doesn't advise it. So much so I'm removing the Dion infobox. One is enough and that's the for the artist who released it and performed it first. Dion is mentioned in the article, that will suffice. The BS about her song chronology is irrelevant. This article has nothing to do with Dion other than the fact she covered it, and quite badly too in my personal opinion (which has nothing to do with my reasoning). As for fans doing "this" and fans doing "that", this again is immaterial. This is not a fanzine, it's an encyclopaedia. The Dion infobox is surplus to requirements and adds nothing to the article relevant to "All by Myself" that prose in the article couldn't do. -- Web H amster  19:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Infobox

 * I read the article on WP:SONGS in its entirety and there is nothing as you describe.

 * The article is about one song and so should also include information about covers, that is commonsense. What it does not have to do though is give information about what a cover artist did before it or after it. Dion's song chronology only has relevance in an article about Dion herself. It's immaterial to this particular article. This article is purely about this one particular song. Any other songs by any other artists are irrelevant and unnecessary.

 * If you desperately want s singles chronology then just refer to her album the song was released from. It has relevance there.

 * According to WP:SONGS there is NO requirement for a song article to have an infobox other than the original artist. Your interpretation is based on your desire to have one not on a requirement to have one. It's ridiculous to have an infobox for every single artist who ever released it over the last 32 years. -- Web H amster  20:05, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

All by Myself - leave Celine Dion section
Wikipedia is not a dictatorship. Administrator doesn't mean dictator. We discuss here. When the discussion is over and the consensus will be to remove Celine Dion info, we'll do it. For now, as there is no consensus, I'm reverting this article to the last version by me.

Rationale for leaving Celine Dion info: 1. Dion's version was the most successful around the world. It doesn't matter that other artists covered it too. They didn't released it as a single and had no success with it. That's why they are mentioned in covers table only.

2. Leaving just one sentence about Dion's version is making this article untrue. And we don't want Wikipedia to be a source of false informations.

3. Celine Dion's section is written according to WP:SONGS and doesn't brake its rules.

4. There are thousands of song articles where the cover version has its own infobox and additional informations in it's section. Here are only few examples (I can add many more if you want):

Madonna http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Cry_for_Me_Argentina_%28Madonna_song%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagine_%28Madonna_song%29#Madonna_version

Mariah Carey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27ll_Be_There http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Without_You http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endless_Love_%28song%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Arms_%28song%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweetheart_%28song%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Against_All_Odds_%28Take_a_Look_at_Me_Now%29#Mariah_Carey_version http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Night_a_DJ_Saved_My_Life_%28song%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bringin%27_on_the_Heartbreak

Whitney Houston http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Will_Always_Love_You http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_Every_Woman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Believe_in_You_and_Me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Step_by_Step_%28Annie_Lennox_song%29

Christina Aguilera http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_Wash_%28song%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Marmalade

Britney Spears http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_Rock_%27n%27_Roll#Britney_Spears_version http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Prerogative#Cover_versions

I say KEEP the Celine Dion section. If you want to keep/delete it, please write your comments below. Thanks. Max24 16:15, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

KEEP (boyblackuk) - Celine Dion's version of the song is the most successful version of the song and is known as a signature song for her and we must keep the information in wikipedia. What does it matter to other people if it is in wikipedia, think of the people who are interested in it, this is the best place to go —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.202.59.100 (talk) 17:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Please do not bother logging in as 'an interested party' and saying 'Keep'. This is not a vote.  The Dion section is OUT because it is inappropriate.  And that looks like thats all there is to it unless someone can come up with some good reasons to say otherwise.  Marcus22 (talk) 19:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I gave you 4 good reasons. And Celinefanatictocorrector gave even more. Boyblackuk has been editing Wikipedia for over a year and his vote counts. He's not any less important than you are. He just wasn't logged in writting his comment. Anyway for now there are two votes for delete and three for KEEP (including Celinefanatictocorrector). Max24 21:56, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

 * And it's obvious from your contributions and Celinefanatictocorrector's username that you have a POV to push. There is no good reason for an additional infobox especially given that WP:WAX applies to the "1000s" of other articles (hyperbole being your strong point eh?). A small paragraph of information about Dion's cover of the song does not make the article "untrue". It just makes it concise, as good articles should be. Quit with the BS about WP:SONGS, there is no guideline about multiple infoboxes. For an article this size any more infoboxes (not to mention God-knows how many alternate covers) will make the page oppressive and will totally unbalance it. Just because you've come up with some reasons does not mean that they are good reasons. If you want to deify Dion then please feel free, just don't bring it to Wikipedia. As far as this song is concerned she is just another cover artist out of many. She is mentioned in the article. That should suffice. As regards the IP editor we have no proof whatsoever that he/she who is who either you or he/she says they are. This is the whole point of logging in. Now please redirect your fanaticism somewhere else. -- Web H amster  21:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * What about many other articles (I have posted some examples) which have cover versions infoboxes and sections? Max24 00:32, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I already answered it. I don't norally like to repeat myself so I'll give you a clue. WP:WAX. -- Web H amster  00:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

WebHamster, you're not coming off well in this discussion at all. You are accusing others of fanaticism and claiming that they are pushing some kind of agenda, all while utterly failing to address the points they make. I don't see how being a fan of an artist necessarily disqualifies them from having something useful to offer. On the contrary, fans are going to contribute a lot of information because they are interested in and have collected information about their favourite artists. Are you suggesting that's a problem? The content being discussed is not biased. It's simple, factual information, and the suggested presentation is very much in line with what has been done in many other similar articles. In fact, if anyone in this whole discussion has said anything to betray an inappropriate bias, it's you: "this article has nothing to do with Dion other than the fact she covered it, and quite badly too in my personal opinion." Of course, you disclaim that your opinion on the quality of the cover has anything to do with your desire to minimize its inclusion in the article. But let's be honest: if you were really as dispassionate as you claim to be, you probably would have been able to suppress your urge to take such a cheap shot.

The reason for wanting to include the infobox has been stated repeatedly, yet you continue to avoid the key point and simply dismiss it as "BS". So, let me spell it out for you: it is true that Celinefanatictocorrector was mistaken in claiming that WP:SONGS directly requires an infobox for each commercially released cover of a song; however, it does explicitly call for a chronology section that links to the artists' previous and next "official singles". If an artist has an "official single" that is a cover of an existing song and if the page for that song has no infobox for that artists' recording of it, then the chronology (a very useful navigational aid) will be broken. That is, any attempt to navigate through the artists' catalog of singles will fail as soon as the reader hits that song. Let me ask you outright: what is the purpose of including chronology links (as is recommended by the WP:SONGS guidelines) if they can not be used to navigate through the full catalog of an artist's singles? If you do not have a good answer to this, I think that's reason enough to reinstate the infobox.

It has already been pointed out that many other song articles are structured this way, with plenty of examples. In fact, most of the modern songs referred to by the Cover version article have multiple infoboxes (for example, Jambalaya (On the Bayou), Light My Fire, and Everlasting Love). Even the WP:SONGS guidelines offers Layla, which includes multiple infoboxes, as a model article. Granted, it's arguable whether a solo recording by an artist that was part of the band that recorded the original is strictly a cover, but it's by far the closest "excellent example" that is offered, and so it's a strong precedent.

While you've dismissed the excellent reasons for including the infobox that have been presented here, you have offered precious little in terms of justification for removing it: specifically, you've said that it's not required and that it would "make the page oppressive and...totally unbalance it." Of course, the former is not at all justification for removing it (it's no stronger an argument than "it is not forbidden"), and the latter is entirely a personal judgement. And, again, we've already seen, your opinion on this matter is suspect, as it's as likely to be based on your distaste for the Dion recording as on your aesthetic sensibilities.

If you really want to improve the balance of this article, why not do a little research on the song itself, or the original recording, and add some more information to the first section? That would seem a considerably more constructive approach than purging useful information about a recording that you don't particularly care for, don't you think?

You've said this isn't a vote, but I'm free to express my opinion, nonetheless. I say KEEP the infobox, and if all the additional information about the Dion recording is so offensive to your sensibilities, lose that. The Celine Dion template at the bottom is also appropriate, again as a useful navigational tool for readers interested in finding related information about her and her recordings. Fabtasticfoo (talk) 23:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

 * What you do or don't think of me is both immaterial and irrelevant. I've answered all of the points covered by other people's comments. Just because you don't like them does not mean that I didn't answer them. But as a quick response (I've already wasted enough time on this already) is that the chronology can be dealt with by adding the song info box either to the article on the relevant album or to the Dion discography article. It's not as if there aren't already any number of Dion pages created for every time she farts. If you want to put a Dion template at the bottom of the page then do so. It takes up little room and can help in the pandering to the Dion fanatics. As I keep saying, the text in the article can cover the relevant facts about Dion's version, it does not require an infobox to do so let alone 2 or 3 versions of the cover image.

 * Let's get something straight. I have no problems at all including details about Dion's cover version regardless of how good or bad it is. I just don't feel that it warrants an infobox. An infobox does not give any extra details about the song, and this is what the article is about, the song, not Dion's song list, not her album sales, not what the album cover looked like. It's about the song and as such any Dion infobox is surplus to requirements, additionally what Dion recorded before or after is irrelevant to this article. That's what her discography is for. What is far more important and relevant is Carmen's involvement.

 * I have far less bias than any of the other people in this debate. I am totally uninvolved in either the Dion fanboy faction or the Carmen fanboy faction. I enjoy good music regardless of who it's by. I don't have an axe to grind and my only involvement in this is to maintain good articles. It's already been demonstrated ad nauseum that Dion fans try to add stuff about her everywhere they can, often to the detriment of the original article. If it's relevant then I have no problem with that, if it's superfluous, like here, then I attempt to stop it. But if you truly think I have some anti-Dion bias then may I suggest you make a request at WP:3PO for some truly independent and uninvolved opinions. I will go along with whatever the consensus is of independant, neutral and impartial editors. Though I will resist the overt Dion fans because their agenda is to fill the place with Dion factoids, it is not their desire to improve articles like this one as such it's POV as far as I'm concerned. So do you want to make the request, or shall I? -- Web H amster  00:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I don't agree with the suggestion to place a Single infobox on the article for the album or the artist's discography. WP:ALBUMS discusses at length the use of the Album infobox but makes absolutely no mention of including a Single infobox in an album article. And, of course, WP:SONGS describes the Single infobox as one of three possible infoboxes for song articles. And I have never seen your suggestion in practice before. Have you? I would suggest that this misunderstanding stems from a difference in definitions. It seems almost assumed that a single is a categorization of a song (single extends song, if you like), but that's not true. Single categorizes a recording, and a song may have several recordings (of course, all but the first are covers). In light of the fact that the infobox actually describes a recording, not a song, it seems reasonable that a song's article may have more than a single infobox, assuming there are several notable recordings. Again, note that Layla, which has two infoboxes, is offered as a model article. Fabtasticfoo (talk) 05:59, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Oh dear, you should learn your song history, my friend. The two infoboxes in Layla BOTH refer to the original artist; Clapton whilst with Derek and the Dominoes (info box 1) and Clapton alone (info box 2).  That's why it has the two boxes.  There is no info box for anyone who has covered the song...  Marcus22 (talk) 17:00, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks, but I already acknowledged that the Layla isn't strictly a cover and that it's not a perfect analogue. In fact, what I originally wrote, "a solo recording by an artist that was part of the band that recorded the original", captures exactly what you just described. My point was only to demonstrate the precedent of having two Single infoboxes on a song article, each for different recordings of that song. I must admit, I was fishing a bit, because WebHamster still hadn't really stated the basis for his objection to the second infobox. Since then, he has made things a little more clear. Fabtasticfoo (talk) 07:10, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Ill just throw this out there, but... Generally isnt there a wikipedia guidline that pushes for common usage, IE what is the popular conception on the street.  I doubt anyone on the street under 50 associates this song with Carmen or knows who he is.  The Dion version was such a megahit compaired to the original (although it was also a hit) that it is the version that is in popular usage.  IE David Foster re aranged the song, and that is the version that someone every year on every single Idol show the world around tries, and fails to execute.  I just thought I would point out that not having a Dion Infobox is offsides in more ways than one.  Besides your interfering with the Dion discography flow, and the Dion article, and the Dion project are goldstar.  That means they are considered among the best articles on Wikipedia.   That said the Dion version is a different version, it is not the original arangment.  So it is the same, but its different.  And there are no citations on the Carmen article, IE where the chart positions came from, because as I had been led to understand it, the song (his original) was a hit in the UK and nowhere else. --134.117.151.251 (talk) 23:27, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You'd be wrong. WP is about accuracy not "common usage". Regardless of how successful any cover versions were or the demographic of those versions the fact remains that it's Carmen's song. For example look at "I Shot the Sheriff", this was a Bob Marley song, but the covers by Clapton and Harrison are much better known. Likewise J. J. Cale's Cocaine is much better known as a Clapton/Cream song. Yet both of those only contain the original artist's infoboxes and they have both outsold "All By Myself" over time. "Call Me the Breeze", another Cale original was better known as a hit for Lynyrd Skynyrd. Comfortably Numb has been covered by many artists but the only infoboxes on that article are by the original artists. I can go on but I won't. There are as many precedents for covered songs to not have additional artist's infoboxes as there for them so as an argument that is cancelled out. -- Web H amster  23:55, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Taking a stab at a compromise
I disagree with Max24's most recent version of this article. (this version). Four lines about the original artist's song, followed by five paragraphs, four CD coverarts and track listings for six different releases of Celine Dion's cover is a touch unbalanced. It gives a passing mention to Eric Carmen before diving into Dion-cruft and IMO fails to give appropriate weight to each version. In that sense, I with the concerns expressed by Marcus and WebHamster. Clearly, though, the current version of the article (as I type, this version) is disputed and I think this could be improved too. Dion's cover is, yes, a cover. That said, this cover was a huge success; success greater than that received by the original (going by what I've read above, do correct me if I'm wrong). It reached #1 all over the place and, in particular, stayed in Adult Contemporary for a stupidly long time. In that sense, giving a mere two lines to it is not providing due weight any more than the other version. I've taken a stab at a compromise here. I've also reverted myself so we can discuss it without an edit war. I think this is the most balanced option so far; the Celine Dion cover comes second in the article, is clearly marked as a cover in a section titled "covers", and doesn't go overboard, yet it is given space appropriate to the hit that it was. Both have infoboxes. I understand the infobox concern above, but if the convention across the rest of the site is to give each single an infobox of its own then we should probably do that here, especially since there's plenty of space to do so if Dion's infobox appears in a slightly diminished form (i.e. without all the extra and irrelevant covers). This is my proposed version. What does everyone think? – Steel 01:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm all for the extra text for the Dion cover and I agree that the 2 sentences isn't enough but I still maintain that the infobox is unnecessary. What little it contains can easily be included in the prose. Dion's previous and next single are irrelevant to this article. To maintain the chronology it should be included in either her discography or the relevant album article. It is far more appropriate to those articles than this one. Likewise if the fanboys want to read about Dion's specific take on this song then it can quite easily be included on the album article that the single came from, maybe even adding a See Also link at the bottom of this article. -- Web H amster  02:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * By that reasoning, the Eric Carmen infobox is also unnecessary. Since we're in agreement that that infobox is fine, the argument you need to provide is why we should include one and not the other. I maintain that there is more than enough space for two, and a Dion infobox is appropriate since this song was released by her as a single. There's no rule against multiple infoboxes in one article, but that's not to say that Dion's can't be further reduced in size if there are objections to specific parts of it. – Steel 02:22, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The Carmen infobox is there because WP:SONGS suggests that all song articles should have an infobox, not because I say it should. As he wrote it, performed it first, recorded it first, released it first, entered the charts with it first it's entirely reasonable that it's his infobox that should be on there. I'd say the same if this was a Dion original that had been covered by Carmen. -- Web H amster  13:41, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * As regards the 'evidence' that there are plenty of covered song articles with multiple infoboxes, well I'd hazard a guess that there are far more that don't, especially the ones that haven't been covered by gay icons! -- Web H amster  17:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Rather than hazarding a guess, I just started looking at a bunch (starting with those songs linked to from or mentioned on the Cover version article) and keeping a tally. I found that the split is pretty even between those with just one infobox and those with two or more. I didn't include any articles without a standard infobox in my tally. Assuming WebHamster's comment about "gay icons" was serious and not just another attempt to be inflammatory, it is most definitely not true: I easily found Single infoboxes for recordings of covers by all manner of artists, including The Beatles, Aerosmith, The Clash, Green Day, and Guns N' Roses. Not surprisingly, those artists with more extensive and unified coverage (including single chronologies) are much more likely to have infoboxes included for their commercially released cover singles. So my conclusion is that additional Single infoboxes for covers are by no means ubiquitous, but that they exist where people have bothered to add them. I wonder if anyone could come up with an example or two of singles chronologies that are broken due to the exclusion of an infobox for a cover version. That would be a pretty strong precedent for the removal that WebHamster is advocating. Fabtasticfoo (talk) 19:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks Steel. I think this is an eminently reasonable proposal. More information on the original recording would improve the balance of the article, but until that comes, I think your compromise is perfect. Fabtasticfoo (talk) 06:10, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Steel. I would like to add more Dion's info but I will wait till someone adds more information on the original recording (or maybe I will do it later). So shall we rv article to that version or are we waiting for another priceless comment by WebHamster? Max24 11:36, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * So add more info into the article. No-one's stopping you. Add the Dion template, no-one's stopping you doing that either. My objections are not about additional info about Dion's cover single. It's purely about the infobox. Nothing more, nothing less. Incidentally, my comments are free though if you wish me to invoice you then please let me know. -- Web H amster  13:41, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

 * The Carmen infobox is integral to the article as the song is by Carmen. The Dion box is being pushed by Dionites and is NOT integral to the article.  Simple really. Marcus22 (talk) 16:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I really think that the sticking point is the distinction between a song and a recording of it. WP:SONGS has set us up for failure here by continually conflating the two. In this case, the song is by Carmen, in that he wrote it, and, in addition, he was also the first artist to record it. But, that's not always the case. What do you do if the writer of the song never recorded it, or recorded it after another artist? Multiple infoboxes in those cases? No infobox? How exactly do we decide what is "integral" to the article? People are taking a very hard line based on what seems a pretty arbitrary distinction. Most of the information captured by in the infobox is actually about the recording, not the song itself. Various recordings of the song, especially those released as singles and most especially those released and widely heard, are very much a part that song's story. What is the convincing reason for throwing away that information about those recordings? Fabtasticfoo (talk) 20:05, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

 * 6 votes for KEEP (Max24, Celinefanatictocorrector, boyblackuk, Fabtasticfoo, 134.117.151.251, Steel). Two votes for DELETE (Marcus22, WebHamster 23). I'm reverting the article to the COMPROMISE version by Steel. Max24 13:49, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

 * "6 votes for KEEP"? Laughable. I've reverted it back.  Marcus22 (talk) 19:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Can we not have an edit war, please? I'm in favour of Steel's compromise version, but can we just leave it as is while it's being discussed? Fabtasticfoo (talk) 19:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Yeah, deffo delete. Notanothercelinedionarticle  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.250.106.15 (talk) 19:05, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ooh look, here's one from King Bilbo I saying 'Delete' - now it's 6 - 4. User:King Bilbo I

Break
The length of the Dion version at present makes an infobox redundant and quite messy. However, this whole debate is quite lame, and I don't think you can see the wood for the trees. There is nothing about the inspiration, history, production, critical reception... Take a look at the usual suspects (All Music Guide, Rolling Stone) for reliable sources. If you write those sections, that would justify Max's extra details about Dion (because then there would be a better balance), which would then justify an infobox. The JPS talk to me  00:13, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * To be fair, there was more text (see ) but this was removed. Do you think that should be restored? – Steel 00:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but I also sympathise with above comments concerning balance. So, yes, that Dion stuff should be restored but the missing sections should be also added to address the balance issues. The JPS talk to me  00:25, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Some poor deluded editors just can't face the truth... Celine Dion Forum, GayMonkey.com, Ethan Says: Homorific, The Guardian plus plenty more. Just Google ""celine dion" "gay icon"" for yourself. -- Web H amster  22:34, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Please reread GayMonkey and the Guardian more closely. Also, blogs and forums are not considered reliable sources. —Nricardo (talk) 23:16, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I did read them, they disagreed with her being a gay icon. To disagree with someone then someone has to already have had that opinion before you can disagree with it. No? For these articles to have mentioned her as being one (regardless of them believing it/agreeing with it) shows that someone (quite a few someones) thinks so.

 * This isn't a question of needing a reliable source as the "gay icon" comments aren't a part of the article. It's just a 2 min search to show that there is evidence (outside of Wikipedia) of Dion being considered to be a gay icon. -- Web H amster  23:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

This is one of the most unbalanced articles I’ve ever seen on Wikipedia. The amount of trivial information about Céline Dion’s cover is utterly appalling. Hopefully, the most obsessed have moved on by now and some sanity can be injected into this article.

(I have renamed this section since it was a link to the article which seemed utterly redundant and non-descriptive.) ☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 11:56, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

 * I agree. 12 years after the edit war on this page, it looks ridiculous. There are about 770 words on Dion's cover version of this song, and only 420 words on the original version. I cannot imagine what would justify having almost twice as much information about the cover version as the original. To pick but one data point, the cover version only reached Billboard #4, versus #2 for the original. Can there be some sanity about this, and the Dion section reduced to its proper proportion? 68.134.232.137 (talk) 20:29, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
 * IMO, the actual coverage in both sections is proportional to the easily available coverage. When the original version came out -- pre-internet -- there really wasn't as much coverage about individual songs. The internet allows for much broader coverage on increasingly narrow topics.
 * Yes, it looks particularly lopsided because of the multiple versions/edits/mixes of the Dion version and the proliferation of singles charts in countries where they simply did not exist when the original was released.
 * I am not a fan of either artist. Having long hated the original before discovering my hatred of Dion, I'm not particularly biased here. If there is material missing re the original, look for it and add it. If there is specific material re the Dion version that you feel should be removed (on its own merits, not out of some kind of "fairness" to the original) discuss that specifically rather than vague requests for "reduction" or "proportionality". - Sum mer PhD v2.0 04:35, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Compromise
This is an article about the Eric Carmen song with a notable version being covered by Celine Dion. Both deserve mention on this article about the song. There should not be a separate article for the same song. There are few examples where that is the case, and those that do exist should or will be merged with the original article eventually.

As a compromise, I believe the article is now split up in an appropriate manner, where the main version maintains its notability and visibility at the top of the article, followed by the list of covers, and then finally, as one of the more notable cover version on a worldwide scale, info on the Celine Dion version follows that. This separates the original from the rest, gives both their space without taking away from the other. I did tone down the Celine Dion article of the song as it had way to many "extra" or "alternate" sleeve pictures. I also took out her discography template because it's just not something needed when your looking at a heavily covered song and what could end up being a dozen or more artist templates. Thanks. --Wolfer68 (talk) 07:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC) --- I just came here to the discussion see why there was so much on Celine. I've never heard her sing it. Have only heard Carmen and Il Divo. I thought it was too much about her in here for an article on the song. Right now it seems unbalanced. I think until all the artists are researched and found if they did singles or not then Ms. Dion's should be toned down. No album cover, no listings of all her other songs. I think it should just have a link to the other pages. To have some "BTW" info is fine. To have it out of proportion to all the other cover artists does not make an smooth article. Don't blame it on the others not having enough fans. Pretend you're a General Editor, not an article editor. Let's take out the picture of her or at the minimum, make it no bigger than an inch. I think it's bigger than the original artist's photo. Kristinwt (talk) 04:02, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I just checked. Original artist: 3" of copy. Dion's copy length: 7" it's out of proportion.So, the subhead is twice as long as the main. Standing on the shoulders of giants, I know, but this is ridiculous. Kristinwt (talk) 04:07, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Charts
Have reduced number of national charts as WP:MUSTARD point 6

"The number of charts should include no more than ten national charts, and up to ten additional charts, but no more than eighteen charts total" As this is the English Language Wiki the charts retained are the English speaking countries. There is an article on this song in the French Wiki, so the French and Belgian charts would be better placed there. Arjayay (talk) 09:03, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Covers
I have been WP:BOLD and removed a cover version which was only on You-tube, albeit that it was by an artist with their own WP page. I have also changed the section "Covers" to "Notable covers" and added hidden text "NB please only include covers which have been commercially released or aired on national TV" to the top and bottom of the list. My concern is that if we allowed one You-tube version, we could be over-run by dozens.

I would like to propose that we also remove versions by non-notable artists i.e artists without their own WP article - is there support for this? - Arjayay (talk) 08:09, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

 * Fully concur, Arjayay. There should already be a Wikipolicy about this somewhere.  The highest charting two or three versions should be quite ample.  These may or may not include the writer's own rendition of a song.  Being a US or UK Top 40 chart hit should be the chief determining criteria.JGabbard (talk) 20:47, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Key issue missing
I came here looking for details about the run-in Carmen had with the Rachmaninoff estate and was shocked that there's no mention of it. The melody of the verse is taken from a Rachmaninoff piece that Carmen erroneously believed was in the public domain. I'll try to find a good source and add it to the article. Pac if ic Bo y  07:29, 22 May 2013 (UTC) When you say "limited to other countries", you appear to be dismissing almost the entire planet. Arjayay (talk) 18:38, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It was in the article, until removed in this dif which claimed that the source cited was not a WP:RS. I agree it should be reinstated, but I could not find a Reliable source to support this. Arjayay (talk) 07:42, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * In the United States, Piano Concerto No. 2 was always in the public domain. Any such "run-in", if there was one, would have been limited to other countries. Piriczki (talk) 16:29, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm intrigued to know how a Concerto can "always" be in the public domain, please explain.
 * This composition was first published outside the United States by a foreign national prior to 1909 and thus did not have copyright protection in the U.S. and was always in the public domain in the U.S. The vaguely alluded to "run-in" (what jurisdiction? what year?) would have involved the copyright in a country other than the U.S. so the search for the elusive reliable source should be directed there, wherever "there" is. Piriczki (talk) 02:50, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Please reread my original statement. The issue at hand is explained clearly; it's not "vaguely alluded to." Arjayay seemed to understand what I was talking about. Pac if ic Bo y  12:18, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Regardless of the copyright status (or lack thereof), if there was exception taken by the estate, it deserves a mention. As a writer, I'm versed in copyright law. Nowhere did I say that the estate was completely valid in challenging the copyright or that they challenged it in the U.S. Pac if ic Bo y  12:28, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I found some reliable sources although neither answer all the questions one might have. From what I can tell from other sources, the work was public domain in the U.S. but still under copyright in other countries but the cited sources don't go into that detail. In any case it appears the matter was nothing more than an ordinary business transaction. Piriczki (talk) 20:33, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I have no knowledge of whether this work was ever registered in the US, but under US law a 1909 copyright would have expired in 1937. It could have been renewed and extended to 1965, but by 1972 it clearly would have been in the public domain under US copyright law. These deadlines were changed in 1980, but the changes to the law would not affect a work that was already in the public domain. If Carmen agreed to pay royalties to Rachmaninov's estate, he did it out of personal good will, and not out of any legal obligation. --Dwlloyd810 (talk) 23:08, 13 December 2014 (UTC)User:Dwlloyd810

small B?
Why isn't this article entitled "All By Myself" or, at least, "All By Myself (Eric Carmen song)". His own website consistently calls it "All By Myself": as do most, if not all, chart sites. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:21, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Article titles are defined by Naming conventions (capitalization) which starts:-

 * Do not capitalize the second or subsequent words in an article title, unless the title is a proper noun. For multiword page titles, one should leave the second and subsequent words in lowercase unless the title phrase is a proper noun that would always occur capitalized, even in the middle of a sentence.

 * Personally, I prefer more capitals than Wikipedia's guidelines suggest - but have to accept that standardization has some benefits. Arjayay (talk) 19:56, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Genre
Unsourced genre will be revert. 183.171.169.210 (talk) 09:08, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Notable covers
The list of "Notable covers" is becoming unwieldy, with several names where neither the artist, nor the album, has a Wikipedia article - many are just sung once by a contestant in a talent show. I think we need defined parameters for inclusion in this list, to ensure the covers are truly "notable", and avoid the list becoming overlong. Demanding that the album or film featuring the song has its own article may be over-steep, so I suggest that the artist should have their own article on the English Wikipedia. Comments, or alternative suggestions, welcome - Arjayay (talk) 13:24, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The entire list was removed on 19 July 2015 - The relevant guideline is WP:COVERSONG which requires the version to be :-

 * discussed by a reliable source on the subject of the song,
 * or

 * meet the notability requirement at WP:NSONGS. which are:-
 * To be ranked on national or significant music or sales charts.
 * To have won one or more significant awards or honors, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award.
 * So, any covers need to be have charted, won an award, or been discussed in an article on "All by Myself" - Arjayay (talk) 09:35, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks to the ongoing retail apocalypse phenomenon, as well as websites such as Commercials I Hate and Am I Right, we need to eliminate songs from commercials. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CodyFinke2020 (talk • contribs) 09:56, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

 * Your explanation does not make sense. How do the so-called "retail apocalypse" and the existence of these websites impact what Wikipedia includes? Please discuss the issue on your user talk page. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 22:32, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

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List of Russian flags

The nation of Russia has designed and used various flags throughout history. Listed in this article are flags — federal, administrative, military, etc. — used between the time of the Tsardom of Russia (1547–1721), Russian Empire (1721–1917) and today's Russian Federation (1991–present day). Also included are flags from the USSR (1922–1991), a country that existed as a federal union of 15 distinct national republics, including the Russian SFSR (1917–1991).

Military flags
Following the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, for a brief time, many Soviet era flags were still in use until new designs replaced them in the early 2000s. The new flags of the Russian Armed Forces are heavily inspired by the regimental banners and flags of the late Imperial Russian Army and Navy.

Flags of the Ground Forces
Flags of the arms of the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation

Flags of the Aerospace Forces
The Aerospace Forces are a branch of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, it has three arms, the Russian Air Force, the Air Defense Forces, and the Russian Space Forces. The Air Defense Forces does not have a flag.

Banners of the Armed Forces
Each branch of the Armed Forces has a representative banner, one for the Ground Forces, the Aerospace Forces, the Navy, and one to represent the entire Armed Forces as a whole.

Victory Banner
The Victory Banner was a historical banner raised atop of the Reichstag building in Berlin, by the Red Army, on May 1, 1945. It signified the victory over Nazi Germany, and served as the main symbol of victory of the Soviet people. It was amended in Russian law in 1996, but with a new design to distance the new Russian state from any usage of Communist iconography. In 2007, following pressure from Red Army veterans, the original Victory Banner design replaced the 1996 variant, and has since then served its usage in virtually every single Victory Day parade held across Russia.

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Civil ensign and national flag
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Talk:Melā

I think this just needs to be cleaned up. I was going to recommend Expert attention for the phonetic pronounciation. Andargor 22:07, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Less of a "cleanup", more of a "supply some encyclopaedic content". I've put a minimal amount in and taken the delete tag off; care to help out? Tonywalton [[Image:Pentacle_1.svg|15px]] | Talk 22:15, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Merger - two articles on the same topic?
It looks to me like Mela and Mela Festival are both about the same topic. So I'm proposing they be merged into Mela. The other page has little extra except more external links. --Qetuth (talk) 03:51, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Seems like a good idea. I'll go ahead and redirect that page to here since it seems like there are no objections.  I've already transferred the external links.  Zujua (talk) 05:30, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

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User talk:Parthian

Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you were just trying to experiment, then use the sandbox instead. Thank you. Jayjg (talk) 22:07, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Oxaprozin

A note
I'm not sure this sentence is needed: "It is not a narcotic so it is not habit forming from a physically addictive nature."

Can't we just identify the drug as a non-narcotic and leave it at that?

 * That's fine. Blame the drugheads. JFW | T@lk  07:26, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

glucosamine and chondroitin
Where is the reference that puts glucosamine and chondroitin into the NSAID class ("Other" category in the table)? These substances may have pharmacological properties, but I think it is misleading to class them as NSAIDs.LM6407 (talk) 07:14, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

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Bouncy ball

A bouncy ball or rubber ball is a spherical toy ball, usually fairly small, made of elastic material which allows it to bounce against hard surfaces. When thrown against a hard surface, bouncy balls retain their momentum and much of their kinetic energy (or, if dropped, convert much of their potential energy to kinetic energy). They can thus rebound with an appreciable fraction of their original force. Natural rubber originated in the Americas, and rubber balls were made before European contact, including for use in the Mesoamerican ballgame. Christopher Columbus witnessed Haitians playing with a rubber ball in 1495.

Spaldeens

Rubber balls such as the Spaldeen (a corruption of Spalding, the manufacturer), about the size of a tennis ball and often colored pink, have been manufactured since the 1930s and remain so into the 21st century. They were fundamental to the development of American street games such as stickball, in addition to other uses in play. Other manufacturers have made similar balls, such as the Pensie Pinkie.

Superballs

A superball or power ball is a bouncy ball composed of a type of synthetic rubber (originally a hard elastomer polybutadiene alloy named Zectron) invented in 1964, which has a higher coefficient of restitution (0.92) than older balls such as the Spaldeen so that when dropped from a moderate height onto a level hard surface, it will bounce nearly all the way back up. They were first sold by the Wham-O toy company under the name Super Ball, which remains their trademark. Superballs are often smaller than a Spaldeen.

Other bouncy balls
Skyball is a brand of hollow medium-sized bouncy ball filled with a mix of helium and compressed air, claimed by the manufacturer to have particularly good bounce characteristics. Nerf balls, introduced in 1970, are also small balls that bounce, but they have a lower coefficient of restitution than a typical bouncy ball. Balls similar in size and composition to Spaldeens, but featuring a plethora of designs (such as a baseball pattern, miniature basketball and soccer ball patterns, and so forth) are offered by many companies. Due to their low cost per unit, bouncy balls with logos or other designs are sometimes used as promotional merchandise. Bouncy balls may, by means of fluorescence, chemiluminescence, or motion-activated LEDs, emit light; such balls are called glow balls. Balls composed of many rubber bands, or bouncy balls made of borax, glue, and cornstarch, are sometimes homemade. Bouncy balls are often used in juggling.

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WHQT

WHQT (105.1 FM, "Hot 105") is a commercial radio station owned by Cox Media Group and airing an urban adult contemporary radio format. The station is licensed to Coral Gables and it serves South Florida including the Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood radio market.

WHQT's studios and offices are located in Hollywood along with its sister stations WEDR, WFLC, and WFEZ. It is licensed as a Class C0 station with an effective radiated power (ERP) of 100,000 watts, broadcasting from a transmitter site in Miami Gardens, which also serves as the site for eleven other FM radio stations and five TV stations. The station uses HD Radio technology and offers contemporary Gospel music, branded as "Joy 105", on the HD2 channel.

"Hot 105" airs the nationally syndicated Rickey Smiley Morning Show from 6 to 10 a.m.

Early years
On November 15, 1958, 105.1 FM signed on as WVCG-FM. It simulcast its AM sister station, 1070 WVCG (now 1080 WQOS), the "Voice of Coral Gables." WVCG was the first classical music station in Florida, and was the first FM station in Florida to broadcast in stereo. In 1968, the station became WYOR, "YOuR beautiful music station", airing mostly instrumental versions of popular songs and music from Broadway and Hollywood. WYOR promoted itself using an FM radio dial card, listing WYOR at 105.1 along with the dial positions of other FM stations in the Miami radio market. The card was updated each year.

The station enjoyed a grandfathered license, allowing it to transmit with an effective radiated power (ERP) of 160,000 watts while most Miami FM stations ran with much less power. Its signal really wasn't much stronger than other stations because its antenna was under sixty meters (200 feet) height above average terrain (HAAT). The grandfathered power ended when the transmitter was relocated to a 600-foot tower in downtown Miami in the early 1970s. The station's power then dropped to 100,000 watts, similar to other Miami FM outlets.

In 1983, the station was sold to EZ Communications, which changed its call sign to WEZI, and rebranded as "E-Z 105." The station continued with its easy listening format, although it began making the transition to a soft adult contemporary format by reducing the instrumentals and adding more vocals. By the mid 1980s, the audience for the easy listening format was aging, while advertisers prefer younger to middle-aged listeners.

Hot 105
On January 10, 1985, at 6 a.m., the station changed to a hybrid CHR/Urban Contemporary (or "CHUrban") format as WHQT under the new moniker "Hot 105". "Yo Little Brother" by Nolan Thomas was the first song for WHQT. The station's initial musical slant was described as "triethnic", playing a mix of R&B, Freestyle Dance, Hip-Hop, and Pop hits, all targeted at Miami's young black, white, and Hispanic audience, but by 1987, WHQT moved a bit closer to Mainstream Top 40, playing a larger dose of contemporary artists popular at the time such as Rick Astley, Madonna and Def Leppard. Another notable feature of the station during this era was a no DJ music intensive daypart from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., predating the current trend in automated jockless radio.

With fierce competition from Y-100 and Power 96, Hot 105 dropped their highly successful Mainstream Top 40/CHUrban format and went into a full-fledged Urban Contemporary format in late 1988 with the new slogan The fresh new sound of Hot 105. The main competitor was soon to be future sister station, WEDR (99 Jamz). The two stations competed for the 18-49 year old African-American demographic until 1992, when WHQT evolved to Urban Adult Contemporary. Around that time, Cox purchased both stations, which led to the end of their competition.

For some time, Hot 105 was the only Adult R&B/Soul station in the market until October 2006, when it gained competition from WMIB, a former Hip Hop station that moved to Urban AC under the ownership of Clear Channel Communications (now iHeartMedia, Inc.). WMIB returned to Urban Contemporary in late 2008.

Tom Joyner
Hot 105 was one of the original affiliates of the nationally syndicated Tom Joyner Morning Show when it debuted in 1994. The show now has about 100 affiliates around the U.S. Joyner announced he would retire from the show in 2019.

NAB Radio Award
WHQT has been committed to public service and excellence in the Miami community for over three decades. WHQT has won the prestigious NAB Marconi Radio Award for "Urban Station of the Year" under Director of Branding and Programming Phil Michaels-Trueba, 4 times, starting in 2014, and then again in 2017, 2019, and most recently in 2023. Michaels-Trueba has been associated with Hot 105 on and off since 1991 when he started as an intern and rose through the ranks thru 1999 and returned as Program Director in March 2006. In 2023, Phil Michaels-Trueba was promoted to Director of Operations.

Former program directors
Previous program directors include Jeff Tyson, Bob McKay, Bill Tanner, Keith Isley, Hector Hannibal, Tony Kidd, Derrick Brown, Tony Fields and Duff Lindsey.

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Purdue University Horticulture Gardens

The Purdue University Horticulture Gardens are botanical gardens at Purdue University in West Lafayette, Indiana in the United States.

History
The gardens were founded in 1982. In 2019, following substantial improvements to the garden, it was named in honor of internationally renowned horticulturist and Purdue Distinguished Professor Jules Janick. Today, the garden is maintained by Purdue University Horticulture Department and Master Gardens students and volunteers. The gardens are financially supported by the Friends of the Gardens.

Gardens
The gardens are located onsite at Purdue University's Horticulture Building. The garden features vegetables, perennials and annuals. The most notable collections on display are ornamental grasses, bulbs, hostas, peonies and daylilies. In total, there are over 300 cultivars and 200 perennial species on display.

Exhibitions
There is a pavilion made of cedar which features temporary exhibitions designed by students. Today, visitors can take self-guided and guided tours, including a walking tour that documents the over 100 types of trees growing within and beyond the confines of the gardens, on campus.

Special events
The annual Purdue Garden Day Open House features special garden tours and events.

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On the Line

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 * On the Line (2001 film), an American romantic comedy directed by Eric Bross
 * On the Line (2007 film), a Swiss German short film
 * On the Line (2011 film), a Canadian documentary by Frank Wolf
 * On the Line (2021 film), a South Korean crime action film
 * On the Line (2022 film), an American film starring Mel Gibson
 * On the Line, a UK sport show presented by Sally Jones

Albums

 * On the Line (Gary U.S. Bonds album), 1982
 * On the Line (Jenny Lewis album) or the title song, 2019
 * On the Line (Michael Wycoff album) or the title song, 1983
 * On the Line (soundtrack) or the title song, from the 2001 film

Songs

 * "On the Line" (Michael Jackson song), 1997
 * "On the Line" (San Cisco song), 2020
 * "On the Line", by Demi Lovato from Don't Forget, 2008
 * "On the Line", by Julian Perretta, 2018
 * "On the Line", by Peter Cetera from Peter Cetera, 1981

Other uses

 * On the Line (horse), a Thoroughbred race horse, winner of the 1988 San Fernando Stakes
 * On the Line, a 2010 novel by S. J. Rozan
 * On the Line, a 1957 short-story collection by Harvey Swados

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Tennis at the 1912 Summer Olympics

At the 1912 Summer Olympics in Stockholm, Sweden eight tennis events were contested divided over two tournaments; an indoor covered courts tournament, played on wood, held from May 5 until May 12 and an outdoor hard court tournament, played on clay, held from June 28 until July 5.

Tennis on covered courts was agreed initially for the 1912 Games, with competitions run for gentlemen's singles and doubles, ladies' singles and mixed doubles. The outdoor tournament was confirmed once the Östermalm Athletic Grounds were completed in late 1911, with the plans modified to have both indoor and outdoor tournaments.

Six countries sent players for the covered court competitions, with representatives from Sweden, Great Britain, Denmark, France, Australasia and Bohemia appearing. Included in this lineup was Australasia's only competitor, the New Zealander Anthony Wilding, who was also the reigning Wimbledon gentlemen's champion. The indoor knockout competition started on 5 May, and continued as expected until the semi-final round where Wilding was beaten by Britain's Charles P. Dixon. The British player met Frenchman André Gobert in the final, but Gobert was victorious over the Englishman in straight sets. Wilding took the bronze medal in a playoff against another British player, Arthur Lowe.

The outdoors tennis competition saw seventy players enter from twelve nations. However, Great Britain did not enter any competitors as the dates of the outdoor competition clashed with the 1912 Wimbledon Championships despite attempts by the British authorities to convince the Olympic organizing committee to change the dates. Other noted tennis players including Anthony Wilding, André Gobert and Arthur Gore refused to compete at the Olympics and instead attended Wimbledon. The gold and silver medals in the gentlemen's singles ended up being decided between two South Africans, with Charles Winslow and Harold Kitson playing each other. Winslow won the match and the gold medal, 7–5, 4–6, 10–8, 8–6. The duo also competed as a pair in the gentlemen's doubles and took the gold medal, beating the Austrians Felix Pipes and Arthur Zborzil. Marguerite Broquedis of France defeated Dorothea Koring of Germany in the ladies' singles for the gold medal. In the mixed double Koring teamed up with Heinrich Schomburgk to win the gold, the duo defeating Sigrid Fick and Gunnar Setterwall of Sweden in the final.

Participating nations
A total of 82 tennis players (69 men and 13 women) from 14 nations (men from 14 nations - women from 6 nations) competed at the Stockholm Games:

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Pontault-Combault Handball

Pontault-Combault Handball, previously known as UMS Pontault-Combault HB is a French handball team based in Pontault-Combault in the suburbs of Paris and founded in 1967. Since 1992, the club has alternated between the French Division 2 and Division 1 championships, which it found for only one season in 2018–2019.

History
Born in 1967, the Etoile Sportive de Pontault-Combault took off through the Regional Championship. Having become Union municipale sports de Pontault-Combault Handball Club and then trained by Thierry Anti, the club won the French championship in the 3rd division in 1992 and then in the 2nd division in 1994. The club then evolves for 7 seasons in the elite with the culmination of a fourth place in 1999 before being relegated in 2001. The club then oscillates several seasons between D1 and D2 before being permanently relegated in 2008. In 2018, the club, now called Pontault-Combault Handball, won the Division 2 Accession Barrages: author of 4 draws in as many games, the club was thus promoted to Division 1 without having won a match.

Current squad

 * Squad for the 2021–22 season

Technical staff

 * Head coach: 🇫🇷 Chérif Hamani
 * Assistant coach: 🇫🇷 Didier Ruffe
 * Goalkeeping coach: 🇫🇷 Damien Pellier
 * Fitness coach: 🇫🇷 Mario Danial
 * Physiotherapist: 🇫🇷 Ludivine Misselyn
 * Physiotherapist: 🇫🇷 Julie Mandelli
 * Club doctor: 🇫🇷 Patrick Sportouch

Notable former players

 * 🇫🇷 Johan Boisedu (2000–2001)
 * 🇫🇷 Robin Cantegrel (2017–2019)
 * 🇫🇷 Francis Franck (1995–1996)
 * 🇫🇷 Thibaut Karsenty (2002–2006)
 * 🇫🇷 Frédéric Louis (1992–1995)
 * 🇫🇷 Mohamadi Loutoufi (2001–2005)
 * 🇫🇷 Stéphane Moualek (2003–2004)
 * 🇫🇷 Alix Kévynn Nyokas (2004–2006)
 * 🇫🇷 Olivier Nyokas (2004–2006)
 * 🇫🇷 Thierry Perreux (1996–1998)
 * 🇫🇷 Yérime Sylla (2001–2004)
 * Walid Badi (2021–)
 * Hichem Kaabeche (2018–2019)
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 * Gonçalo Ribeiro (2017-2018)
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tropical Storm Katrina (1999)

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The result of the debate was Speedily merged. -Golbez 07:36, August 27, 2005 (UTC) Non-notable storm, should be merged and redirected to 1999 Atlantic hurricane season. Especially confusing considering we have a more notable Katrina right now. CrazyC83 22:12, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Ditto. Merge it. --CFIF 22:20, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
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Santa Maria in Cosmedin

The Basilica of Saint Mary in Cosmedin (Basilica di Santa Maria in Cosmedin; Latin: Santa Maria de Schola Graeca) is a minor basilican church in Rome, Italy, dedicated to the Virgin Mary. It is located in the rione (neighborhood) of Ripa. Constructed first in the sixth century as a diaconia (deaconry) in an area of the city populated by Greek immigrants, it celebrated Eastern rites and currently serves the Melkite Greek Catholic community of Rome. The church was expanded in the eighth century and renovated in the twelfth century, when a campanile (bell tower) was added. A Baroque facade and interior refurbishment of 1718 were removed in 1894-99; the exterior was restored to twelfth-century form, while the architecture of the interior recalls the eighth century with twelfth-century furnishings. The narthex of the church contains the famous Bocca della Verità sculpture.

The site
The basilica of Santa Maria in Cosmedin is in an area of Rome along the Tiber River that once housed the Forum Boarium, the ancient cattle market, and a complex of temples and shrines to Hercules. Archaeologists discovered a platform of ancient tufa under the crypt of the church, which they have tentatively identified as part of the Great Altar of Unconquered Hercules (Latin: Herculis Invicti Ara Maxima), possibly dating from the sixth century BCE. A later building on the site had a colonnaded loggia, probably constructed in the fourth century CE. This is thought by some to have been a statio annone, one of the government-run food distribution centers of ancient Rome, but other scholars believe it was one of the buildings dedicated to Hercules.

In the sixth and early seventh centuries CE, this area of Rome developed into a Greek quarter (schola graeca), a compound initially populated by Greek, Syrian, and Egyptian merchants and by functionaries of the imperial government in Constantinople during the Byzantine Papacy of 537–752, when the popes were approved by and subject to the Byzantine emperors. Several waves of eastern refugees added to the population as they fled from wars and persecution, the encroachment of Islam, and the violence of the Iconoclastic Controversy in the Christian East. The quarter became an important economic sector of the city and was allowed to govern itself with little interference from Roman authorities.

The diaconia
Around 550, a hall was built on the site, incorporating some of the loggia columns of the previous building in its west and north walls. This was identified as a diaconia (deaconry), an early Christian welfare center, where charitable distributions were given to the poor. The brick masonry of the building was not typical of Rome at this time but was common in Naples in the sixth century, suggesting the work was done by Greek or South Italian builders, perhaps immigrants residing in the schola graeca. The hall itself was probably a gathering place and place of worship; two-story aisles on each side contained chambers on the ground floors, perhaps for the functions of the diaconia, and galleries above with six windows on each side, opening onto the main hall.

Diaconiae were funded by wealthy individuals. A mid-eighth century inscription displayed in the narthex records a gift of extensive properties to the church's ministry to the poor by Eustathius (or Eustachius), a Byzantine duke of Rome who had administered the territory of Ravenna for the papacy. The same inscription also mentions a donation by a “vir gloriossimus [most noble] Georgios” and his brother, David.

The eighth-century church
Pope Hadrian I (papacy 772–95) rebuilt and extended the diaconia around 780, demolishing a large ruined temple to make way for this construction. The result was a basilica dedicated to the Virgin Mary, at that time called Santa Maria de Schola Graeca or the ecclesia graecorum (Greek church) because of its location and a community of Greek monks there.

The church was built with a nave and two aisles, but it culminated at the east end with three full apses, an eastern feature unusual for a Roman church, but one that had reached the West by the sixth century. In the rebuilding, the tall columns from the structure that preceded the diaconia were retained and were visible (and still are) in the entrance wall and embedded in the side walls at the western end of the church. In the center apse was an altar made from a Roman red granite basin, and the floor was a simple opus sectile pattern. The nave was separated from the aisles by alternating groups of columns and piers; the unmatched columns were spolia (spoils) from older Roman buildings. Some scholars believe that the columns supported a trabeation (lintel) at this time and not arches. On the upper level of the outer walls, rows of clerestory windows repeated the motif of the arches in the diaconia that had opened into galleries. By the ninth century, the church was known as Santa Maria in Cosmedin, probably the Latinization of κοσμίδιον (kosmidion), derived from the Greek word κόσμος, meaning "ornament, decoration." At the same time, Pope Hadrian had a crypt dug from the volcanic tufa slab under the east end of the church, possibly the podium of the Great Altar to Hercules. It took the form of a miniature basilica with a small apse and altar and a nave and two aisles separated by columns, probably based on a prototype under Old Saint Peter’s Basilica. The six spolia columns were too tall for the crypt and had to be sunk several feet into the floor. Carved crosses on the columns may have been inset with bronze. On the side walls were niches containing shelves for the display of relics given by Pope Hadrian to the church.

A sacristy and an oratory later dedicated to St. Nicholas of Bari, as well as a series of rooms for a papal residence, were added on the south side of the church by Pope Nicholas I (papacy 858–67). This area was burned in the sack of Rome by the Norman troops of Robert Guiscard in 1084.

The twelfth-century renovation
In the early twelfth century, Pope Gelasius II (papacy 1118–19), who had served as cardinal-deacon of Santa Maria in Cosmedin, and his successor, Pope Callixtus II (papacy 1119–24), undertook a renovation of the church, probably in 1120–23. Although the plan remained the same, many changes were carried out: the galleries at the west end, remaining from the diaconia, were walled up, frescoes were painted in the nave and apses, a new floor was laid in the nave, and many new church furnishings were added, including a ciborium, bishop's throne, Paschal candlestick, and a schola cantorum, a walled enclosure at the front of the nave for clergy and monks, containing the pulpit and lectern. At this time, the trabeation supposed by some scholars to have carried by the columns in the nave would have been changed to arches. A campanile was then built into the right side of the church and, finally, a two-story narthex (the lower floor was open to the street) and a portico were added. Callixtus II reconsecrated the church in May of 1123. A number of inscriptions state that the renovations were paid for by Alfanus, a wealthy layman or cleric who served as papal chamberlain (Latin: camerarius) to Callixtus. On the bishop's throne is carved "ALFANUS FIER TIBI FECIT VIRGO MARIA" (Alfanus had this made for you, Virgin Mary). The open narthex of the renovated church contains the tomb of Alfanus, partly decorated with a damaged mosaic depicting the Virgin Mary between Popes Gelasius II and Callixtus II. On the walls are several panels of inscriptions recording monetary gifts to the church. The inscriptions found in Santa Maria in Cosmedin, a valuable source for the history of the Basilica, have been collected and published by Vincenzo Forcella.

There are three doors leading from the new narthex into the church. The center door is created of marble elements from older Roman buildings, with medieval carvings signed by a "Giovanni of Venice" (IOHANNIS DE VENETIA ME FECIT). Scholars differ on whether it is from the eleventh or twelfth century, so it is possible this was the door to the church before the narthex was added.

The nave floor in the renovated church was a creation of the Cosmati family, Roman architects, sculptors, and decorators, who specialized in pavements formed of slabs of marble and semi-precious stones set in gold and colored mosaics, called opus Alexandrinum. Santa Maria in Cosmedin is thought to have a particularly beautiful floor with a large central disc of porphyry, a costly purple stone highly prized by Roman emperors. The Cosmati also provided and decorated the bishop's throne and the pulpits and candlestick inside the schola cantorum. The current ciborium, the canopy over the altar, was designed by Deodato of the Cosmati; it was installed in 1294 and is in a Gothic style not common in Rome. At the time of Pope Callixtus's renovation, an extensive fresco cycle was painted on the nave walls and the arch leading to the altar area; the decoration probably extended to the three apses as well, but no traces remain in those areas. All the paintings were whitewashed about 1649–60 and were badly damaged. Only the uppermost row between the clerestory windows survives intact and depicts scenes from the lives of the prophets Daniel and Ezekiel, warning against the evils of idolatry; the subjects are very unusual in medieval art. The images are faint but were photographed and sketched during the nineteenth-century restoration. There are enough fragments to suggest that there were scenes from the New Testament on two lower rows of the nave wall and that the scene over the arch into the central apse showed Jesus enthroned amid a host of angels. Running along the very top of the nave wall is an undated frieze in which are painted fauns' heads and other ornaments in ancient Roman style. The frescoes now in the three apses were painted in 1899 but based on styles and themes of twelfth-century church decoration.

The campanile of Santa Maria in Cosmedin is a beautiful seven-story bell tower that has stood without repair or restoration since its twelfth-century construction. Drawings and engravings from later centuries show a superstructure above and behind the portico and narthex of the church, consisting of a wall with a small rose window.

Later history and restoration
Pope Eugenius IV (papacy 1431–47) gave Santa Maria in Cosmedin in 1435 to the Benedictine community of San Paolo; after the monks' departure in 1513, the church began to fall into disrepair. In 1718, Cardinal Annibale Albani commissioned a new stucco facade and other refurbishments designed in the late Baroque style of the time by Giuseppe Sardi. This facade and all of the post-medieval changes to the church inside and out were removed in a restoration of 1894–99 by architect Giovanni Battista Giovenale. The facade was returned to its early twelfth-century form, with a rebuilt portico and open narthex, and the interior was restored to its eighth-century design but with the retention of its twelfth-century decoration and furnishings. Only two sections of the interior - the Chapel of the Crucifix in the left apse and the baptistery - retain some furnishings from 1727.

Santa Maria in Cosmedin was the titular church not only of Pope Gelasius II but also of Celestine III (papacy 1191–98) and antipope Benedict XIII (papacy 1394–1423). Among the former cardinal-priests of the church was Reginald Pole (1500–1558), the last Roman Catholic Archbishop of Canterbury.

Within the church
In the open narthex of the church, on the north side, can be found the Bocca della Verità (Mouth of Truth), a massive ancient Roman marble mask thought to be a drain covering depicting the Greco-Roman god Oceanus; it was moved to the church in the twelfth century. A medieval legend states that if a person places a hand inside the mouth ("bocca") and then swears falsely, the mouth will close and sever the hand. The sacristy houses an important mosaic fragment of an Adoration of the Magi from 706–07. It was once in the oratory of Pope John VII in Old Saint Peter's Basilica and was donated to the church in 1639 by order of Pope Urban VIII. Among the relics of several dozen saints in Santa Maria in Cosmedin, in a side altar on the north side is a flower-crowned skull alleged to be Saint Valentine, a third-century Roman cleric martyred on February 14. There are, however, two other Valentines with commemorations on that day, so the specific identity is not certain.

In popular culture
A scene from the 1953 romantic comedy Roman Holiday was filmed in Santa Maria in Cosmedin. In the scene, Joe (played by Gregory Peck) shocks Princess Ann (played by Audrey Hepburn) by pretending to lose his hand in the Bocca della Verità.

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Pat Burke

Patrick John Burke (born December 14, 1973) is an Irish former professional basketball player. Burke and his family moved from Tullamore in Ireland, to Cleveland, Ohio in the United States when he was three years old. He played in the National Basketball Association (NBA) for three seasons between 2002 and 2007, for the Orlando Magic and the Phoenix Suns. To date, he is the only Irishman to have played in the NBA. He also played in Europe, mainly in Greece and Spain, before ending his career with Asseco Prokom Sopot. He was a co-captain of the senior Ireland national team and also represented his country at the World University Games.

Early life
Burke played high school basketball at Mariner High School in Cape Coral, Florida. He played college basketball at Auburn University with the Auburn Tigers from 1993 to 1997.

NBA
After not being drafted out of Auburn University in 1997, Burke became the first Irish-born player in NBA history when he signed a contract with the Orlando Magic in 2002. He played in 62 games with them, averaging 4.3 points and 2.4 rebounds per game. He did not play in the NBA during the 2003–04 NBA season, or the 2004–05 NBA season. In his return to the NBA, he played for the Phoenix Suns for two seasons. He was also in training camp with the Golden State Warriors in 2007 before being released.

Europe
Burke was a EuroLeague champion with Panathinaikos in the 1999–00 season and he also helped the "Greens" to win three consecutive Greek League titles from 1999 to 2001. In Europe, he also played with the Spanish clubs Tau Ceramica, Gran Canaria and Real Madrid, and with Maroussi in Greece. He helped Real to the final of the ULEB Cup (now called EuroCup) in 2004 and to the Spanish League title in 2005.

In November 2007, Burke signed with Russian club Khimki and helped the team win their first Russian Cup title. Burke averaged 8.2 points and 5.2 rebounds per game in 211 career games played over all of the different European leagues that he competed in. In 2008, he moved to the Polish club Asseco Prokom Sopot and he helped the team to win the league's title.

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User talk:Oscarín Aino~enwiki

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My god: (in spanish) Iba copiar el artículo de María Lucía Fernández en esta pagina pero cierto wikipedista mio se me adelanto. --Oscarín Aino 22:13, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello
Quihubo, acabo de descubrir que usted tenía página acá. Si necesita ayuda con el inglés, no dude en contactarme. --Fibonacci 03:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

From Oscarín
Hellow Fibonacci, How are you?. Bien aquí te mando tarea de Dinamo Anime Manga International Cultural Group y es que me especifiques y expongas al grupo sobre el tema de Software Libre (Free Software) para hacerlo con la futura página del grupo, así como de los Furry, para tertulia.

Y para acabar con la vaina visita las paginas:

 * Oscarinorbitus blog que dan los polémicos temas de Cartoons controversial (pelea mundial por una viñeta), Falta de Garantias en Wikinews (con Julián ya no habrá paz sino guerra todo el tiempo) y el Año del Perro.
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Mira a ver si viene a la reunión. Saludos. Bye and Good Luck! --Oscarín Aino 19:39, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Quihubo. Cuénteme pues con más detalle, preferiblemente vía emilio, qué quiere exactamente que exponga sobre el tema de Software Libre... lo de los furries me lo sé al derecho y al revés :P así que no se preocupe.
 * Suerte pues, --Fibonacci 22:18, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Qué pena
Ole mano, qué pena no haber asistido a la reunión; hasta ahora me di cuenta... ¡de que era el domingo pasado! De verdad se me olvidó por completo esa vaina. Qué pena. Cuénteme cuándo es la próxima, y voy y le doy una conferencia sobre el furry y otra sobre el software libre... --Fibonacci 12:05, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Consulta: Wikimedia Colombia
Hola, Oscarín Aino:

Desde hace un tiempo he venido cabilando con la idea de fundar un capítulo Colombiano de la Wikimedia Foundation, y para esto necesito de sus comentarios y de su ayuda.

La idea del capítulo es formar una organización sin ánimo de lucro dentro de la legislación colombiana. Muy probablemente una Fundación sea el tipo de entidad más acorde a los objetivos planteados. Las reglas de

Lo invito así a que se inscriba en la página de la propuesta sin ningún compromiso y a que comenente allá o en mi página de discusión cualquier inquietud que tenga lugar.

En la página de la propuesta también podrá encontrar un borrador de los posibles estatutos de la Fundación, los objetivos planteados, etc. y está abierta a cualquier tipo de contribuciones e inquietudes. Las ideas incluyen desde la canalización de fondos para la Wikimedia Foundation (los found raisings) hasta varios proyectos de promoción del conocimiento libre en Colombia (tanto por medio de los proyectos de Wikimedia, como por otros proyectos basados o no en tecnologías Wiki). Sin duda un objetivo interesante será la promoción de las lenguas indígenas colombianas con el objetivo adicional de empoderar a las culturas que las hablan de herramientas informáticas que no sean percibidas como alienantes.

Si conoce de algún otro colombiano que pueda estar interesado, no sólo wikipedistas o colaboradores de Wikimedia, le agradezco que difunda este mensaje.

Gracias por la atención.

— Carlos Th (talk) 18:29, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

TWO Questions
Hola Fibo, Le vengo a decir dos cositas:

 * Si esta todavia en Dinamo, Hable con las copresidentes Angela y Julie para lo de la página de Internet de ese grupo con Software Libre. Sobre mi retiro del mismo se lo comento despues.

 * Mándeme las direcciones de ellas por e-mail (no le aconsejo que las ponga en una página como la Wikipedia, porque hay peligro de spam). Qué pena si no me he aparecido por allá, pero es que el estudio me tiene jodido.

 * En el Esperanto ¿Hay groserias o madrazos?

 * Pero claro que las hay, ¡fue de lo primero que aprendí! Y si quiere se las enseño :P

Que pena molestarlo, pero ojala le echare una visita a su casa. Nos vemos. --Oscarín Aino 14:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

 * --Fibonacci 03:46, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Free Software
Greetings: Hace tiempo le solicité un favor acerca de una declaración en favor del software libre. Enviemelo por mi correo. ¿está bien? Chao y aquí le incluyo un otaku nuevo en la wikipedia. --Oscarín Aino 18:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Uyyy, qué pena con sumercé, a mí se me había olvidado eso, en estos días se la escribo. ¿Más o menos cómo la quiere? --Fibonacci 03:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Qué más compatriota?
Hola Caleiva le escribo para pedirle que me ayude a pulir unos artículos relacionados con Cúcuta que traduje mediante Google de la Wikipedia en Español.

Ayudame con lo que puedas...

Los artículos en cuestión son los siguientes:

 * Cúcuta
 * History of Cúcuta
 * Battle of Cúcuta
 * Orography of Cúcuta
 * Hydrography of Cúcuta and North Santander

Muchas gracias!

--Ricardoramirezj 13:06, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Oscarín Aino. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Oscarín Aino~enwiki that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name. If you think you might own all of the accounts with this name and this message is in error, please visit Special:MergeAccount to check and attach all of your accounts to prevent them from being renamed.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 01:58, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 17:17, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

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