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Steamboat Springs (Nevada)

Steamboat Springs is a small volcanic field of rhyolitic lava domes and flows in western Nevada, located south of Reno. There is extensive geothermal activity in the area, including numerous hot springs, steam vents, and fumaroles. The residential portions of this area, located mostly east of Steamboat Creek and south of modern-day SR 341, are now known simply as Steamboat.

The state of Nevada has a Steamboat Springs Historical Marker (#198) situated along the eastern shoulder of the busy Carson–Reno Highway (US 395 Alt.), approximately 1.65 mi south of the Mount Rose Junction (the intersection with SR 341 and SR 431). There were once several mineral spas operating here along Steamboat Creek, with at least one still in business called Steamboat Hot Springs Healing Center & Spa.

The water from the springs contains many minerals including: calcium carbonate, magnesium carbonate, sodium sulfate, carbon dioxide, lithia, and silica.

History
Native Americans considered the springs a sacred place. As settlers came west during the Gold Rush in 1849, and noticed steam coming from cracks in the rock, the hot springs became a welcoming watering place for traveling wagons. In those early days, William Wright reported that as many as sixty or seventy columns of steam could be seen when the air was cool and calm. Yet, it wasn't until 1859 that the first development was built consisting of a shed with two rooms, one for a tub and one as a steam room.

The area was further established in 1860 by Frenchman Felix Monet. In the early days, when the air was cool and calm, William Wright reported that as many as sixty or seventy columns of steam could be seen.

In the early 1860s, cottages, a bathhouse and a hospital set up by British hydrotherapist Dr. James Ellis were built near the springs, but many buildings were destroyed by a fire in 1867. In the early 1870s, a hotel was built to shelter 50 guests. Along with a new drugstore, cottages and 15 medicinal bathing facilities, the town became a popular spa with silver miners, tourists and people seeking health treatments.

The Virginia & Truckee Railroad reached Steamboat Springs from Reno in 1871. In 1871, with tracks yet to be built south through the Washoe Valley to Carson City, this temporary rail terminus became an important transfer point for passengers and freight heading up the Geiger Grade on stagecoaches bound for Virginia City and the mines of the Comstock Lode. Once tracks were extended south the following summer to meet the existing Carson-Virginia City rail line, such transfer business fell off rapidly. Resort facilities continued to operate for many years.

An earthquake in 1900 caused the hot springs and geysers to dry up. A year later, on April 21, 1901, a wildfire destroyed the Grand Hotel and many other structures. In 1925, Dr. Edna Jackson Carver bought the land and drilled a new well. She operated a hospital there and built the Pioneer State Health Hotel in 1937. In order to attempt to raise money for further financing for a larger resort, she wrote a prospectus stating that the thermogenic waters had extensive healing properties.

Geysers were active until the 1980s when a geothermal power plant was erected. Researchers state that the hot spring and geyser activity began to decline in 1987 when a geothermal plant came online. Company officials stated that their studies showed that water level changes preceded the plant and were caused by drought.

Sports
In 1924, Steamboat Springs became a training and healing site for famous boxers thanks to a boxing promoter. Famous boxers who visited and stayed at the springs included Paolino Uzcudun in 1931, a Basque heavyweight boxer, King Levinsky, a Chicago heavyweight boxer, and Jack Dempsey in 1932. Uzcudun and Levinsky trained at Steamboat in preparation for 20-round bouts with Max Baer. In 1936, Ray Impelliterre stayed at Steamboat Springs to train for a fight in San Francisco.

Steamboat Springs was also a healing site for racehorses. Famous Thoroughbred Man o' War was brought to the springs in the 1940s with major injuries where his handler used the mud and mineral water for therapeutic purposes. He returned to win the Kentucky Derby soon afterward.

Cosolargy
Steamboat Hot Springs Healing Center & Spa is a retreat connected with the Cosolargy Institute providing their Community and the general public a place where they can soak and heal with the help of energetic healing treatments. Cosolargy Institute is a branch of the International Community of Christ, Church of the Second Advent.

Geothermal plant
The Steamboat Geothermal Plant is composed of three separate units, Steamboat 1, 2 and 3. Steamboat 1 was built in 1986 as a pilot project. Steamboat 2 and 3 were finished ahead of schedule and became operational in December 1992. The three plants produce over 24 MW of electricity, enough to supply 24,000 homes.

Steamboat two and three use two separate closed loops, one consisting of geothermal brine, and the other containing isobutane. Brine at 310 to 330 °F (155 to 166 °C) is pumped from nine underground wells using nine 450 horsepower, motor-driven, sixteen-stage vertical centrifugal pumps. The wells extend 590 to 2700 feet (180 to 823 meters) below ground and were drilled through fractured granite. Drill bits, at a cost of $10,000 to $20,000 each, were replaced after only 20 to 30 feet (6 to 9 meters) of drilling. Each well pumps an average of 1800 gallons (6813 liters) per minute.

A bubbler tube is used to measure brine levels. By monitoring these levels, operators know they are not drawing down the underground reservoir. The water pressure never varies, and well levels are very stable. The brine remains a pressurized liquid as it is piped to twelve forty-foot long heat exchangers. Heat exchanger pressures and temperatures are controlled to minimize fouling. As the geothermal brine is piped through one side of the heat exchanger, isobutane is pumped through the other side by six horsepower pumps. Isobutane's 11 °F (-12 °C) boiling point makes it a good medium for use in a binary plant.

Writings
In 1935, state engineer Alfred Merritt Smith wrote about Steamboat Springs: “Geologically, the springs are among the most interesting in the world, for they demonstrate in a striking way how mineral veins and deposits are formed. The hot water is constantly depositing silica, gold, silver, mercury, antimony, and other minerals and metals, which it holds in solution. The silica is held in solution as a jelly-like colloid, and upon the evaporation of the water is deposited as translucent gelatinous silica, which on the surface is gradually dehydrated to become amorphous white sinter. In cracks and crevices, the silica becomes banded chalcedony, or even quartz. The metals are deposited simultaneously with the silica. One of the most beautiful mineral specimens in the well-known Mackay School of Mines Museum at Reno is a mass of intermixed dazzling white silica, crimson cinnabar, and meta-stibnite from Steamboat Springs.”

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Mark Twain wrote in August 1863 "... From one spring the boiling water is ejected a foot or more by the infernal force at work below, and in the vicinity of all of them one can hear a constant rumbling and surging, somewhat resembling the noises peculiar to a steamboat in motion - hence the name" He is also quoted as saying, “Behold! A Steamboat in the desert!” in 1861.

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This article was created by an anonymous user by copying a portion of the American Society of Civil Engineers. Since the information is redundant, either this article should be flagged for deletion, or the ASCE article should be edited. --Dan East 00:53, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

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Noel Annan, Baron Annan

Noel Gilroy Annan, Baron Annan OBE  (25 December 1916 – 21 February 2000) was a British military intelligence officer, author, and academic. During his military career, he rose to the rank of colonel and was appointed to the Order of the British Empire as an Officer (OBE). He was provost of King's College, Cambridge, 1956–66, provost of University College London, 1966–78, vice-chancellor of the University of London, and a member of the House of Lords.

Annan's publications include Leslie Stephen (1951)—awarded the James Tait Black Memorial Prize, Roxburgh of Stowe (1965), Our Age (1990), described by Professor John Gray in the New Statesman as a "marvellous compendium of the higher gossip", Changing Enemies (1995), and The Dons (1999). His best-known essay is "The Intellectual Aristocracy", which illustrates, according to Robert Fulford in the National Post, the "web of kinship that united British intellectuals (the Darwins, Huxleys, Macaulays, etc.) in the 19th and early 20th centuries."

Early life and education
Annan was born in Gloucester Terrace, London, and was educated at St. Winnifred's School, Seaford in East Sussex, and Stowe School. At Stowe, he was head of Temple House, and editor of the school newspaper The Stoic. He went up to King's College, Cambridge, in 1935, where he read history, then continued for a fourth year to read law. While at King's, he was recruited into the Cambridge Apostles, a secret debating society whose members included Guy Burgess and Michael Straight, who later became spies for the Soviet Union (see Cambridge Five).

Military career
In October 1940, he entered officer cadet training, and in January 1941 was commissioned in the Intelligence Corps and posted to MI14, a department of the War Office, where "Annan was given an important job in operational intelligence studying the movement by rail of German forces". In 1942, he was posted to the Joint Intelligence Staff in the War Cabinet Office, which was located with Winston Churchill in his bunker. In 1944, he was transferred to Paris to become the French liaison officer with British military intelligence, later becoming a senior officer in the political division of the British Control Commission in Germany. Annan was appointed an Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) in 1946.

Academic career
Annan returned to King's in 1946, where he had been elected to a fellowship in absentia in 1944 at the unusually young age of 28. He joined the economics faculty and lectured in politics.

In June 1950, he married the author and critic Gabriele Ullstein, and they had two daughters – Lucy (born 1952) and Juliet (born 1955).

He was elected Provost of King's in 1956. In 1966, he took up the post of Provost of University College London, then from 1978 until 1981, was Vice-Chancellor of the University of London – the first person to take on the role full-time. He was created a life peer on 16 July 1965 as Baron Annan, of the Royal Burgh of Annan in the County of Dumfries.

He was elected a Foreign Honorary Member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 1974. Essex University awarded him an honorary doctorate in 1967. He was also a Fellow of the Royal Historical Society.

Committees
He acted as a trustee of the British Museum 1963–1980, and of the National Gallery 1978–85. He also chaired the Royal Commission on Broadcasting, which concluded in 1977 (see Annan Committee). He was the first chairman of the Trustee's education committee at Churchill College, Cambridge.

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Vicente Padilla

Vicente de la Cruz Padilla (born September 27, 1977) is a Nicaraguan former professional baseball pitcher. Padilla played in Major League Baseball (MLB) for the Arizona Diamondbacks, Philadelphia Phillies, Texas Rangers, Los Angeles Dodgers and Boston Red Sox and in Nippon Professional Baseball (NPB) for the Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks.

International competition
Padilla pitched for Nicaragua in the 1998 Baseball World Cup, helping his team win the Bronze medal as the closer. He also appeared in the Central American Games the same year, as his team finished in second place.

Arizona Diamondbacks
After working with former MLB pitcher Dennis Martínez to improve his change-up, Padilla was signed as an international free agent by the Arizona Diamondbacks on August 31, 1998. He debuted in the minor leagues in 1999, playing for the Class-A Advanced High Desert Mavericks and earning a promotion to the Class-AAA Tucson Sidewinders.

Padilla made his Major League debut on June 29 against the Cincinnati Reds, pitching in the ninth inning and giving up four hits and three runs without recording an out, getting the loss and a blown save for the effort. Padilla appeared in four more games in 1999. He also appeared in 27 games in relief for the Diamondbacks in 2000, finishing 2–1 with a 2.31 ERA, with his first win coming on May 9 against the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Philadelphia Phillies
On July 26,, Padilla was traded from the Diamondbacks to the Philadelphia Phillies along with three other players (Travis Lee, Nelson Figueroa and Omar Daal) for pitcher Curt Schilling.

He was moved to the starting rotation in and made his first start on April 3 against the Atlanta Braves, working six innings and picking up the win. He finished the season 14–11 with a 3.28 ERA in 32 starts and was selected to appear in the All-Star Game.

He battled injuries during the and  seasons, posting a combined win–loss record of 16–19.

After posting a 4.71 ERA and a 1.50 WHIP during the 2005 season, Padilla was traded to the Texas Rangers for Ricardo Rodríguez.

Texas Rangers
During the 2006 season, he also came under fire for his "lack of control" on the mound. Padilla caused a controversy in Chicago when he twice hit White Sox catcher A. J. Pierzynski, and later in the season again caused a benches-clearing brawl against the Angels when he repeatedly threw at Angels batters, showing particular interest in slugger Vladimir Guerrero. On September 16,, Padilla hit Oakland Athletics outfielder Nick Swisher after two pitches earlier in the plate appearances were inside that almost hit Swisher. Swisher then charged the mound starting a brawl and resulting in both players getting ejected. He also has history of hitting former teammate Mark Teixeira on June 6, 2009.

In 2006, he and Kevin Millwood won 15 games; a total not matched by a Rangers pitcher until Scott Feldman surpassed it in 2009.

His 11 road victories in 2008 matched a club record set by Rick Helling (1998), later surpassed by Scott Feldman (2009).

On July 22, 2009, Padilla tested positive for swine flu, and was believed to be the first major U.S. athlete to catch the disease.

On August 7, 2009, Padilla was designated for assignment by the Rangers after going 8–6 with a 4.92 ERA in 18 starts. Ten days later Padilla was given his release. He was released because he was "regarded as a disruptive clubhouse presence."

Los Angeles Dodgers
On August 19, 2009, Padilla signed a minor league contract with the Los Angeles Dodgers. He made one start with the AAA Albuquerque Isotopes and then was activated on August 27 to start for the Dodgers against the Colorado Rockies. He made seven starts for the Dodgers in August and September, finishing with a record of 4–0 and a 3.20 ERA.

On October 10, 2009, Padilla was the starting and winning pitcher in the clinching Game 3 of the National League Division Series against the St. Louis Cardinals, pitching seven scoreless innings. He also pitched well in Game 2 of the NLCS against the Philadelphia Phillies, working $7 1⁄3$ innings and only allowing one run in a game the Dodgers eventually won. However, he picked up the loss, giving up six earned runs in three innings of work, in the deciding Game 5, allowing the Philadelphia Phillies to advance to the World Series for the second straight year.

On November 3, 2009, Padilla was injured when he was accidentally shot in the leg at a shooting range in Nicaragua. It was not a serious injury.

On January 21, 2010, Padilla re-signed with the Dodgers, a one-year, $5.025 million deal, with $1 million of that in the form of a signing bonus.

On March 25, 2010, the Dodgers announced that Padilla would be their opening day starter for the 2010 season. Due to a number of recurring injuries, Padilla only was able to start 16 games for the Dodgers in 2010, finishing 6–5 with a 4.31 ERA. His best performance was a complete-game shutout against the San Diego Padres on August 4. He made just three more starts after that before he was shut down for the season. After the season, Padilla re-signed with the Dodgers on a one-year, incentive-laden deal.

He was injured in spring training in 2011 and began the season on the disabled list, rejoining the team on April 23 as a reliever. In his new role, he picked up his first save since 2000 in a 10-inning game against the Florida Marlins on April 27. He became the Dodgers closer for a brief time after Jonathan Broxton was placed on the disabled list. However, he also wound up on the disabled list on May 14. He was first shut down with a forearm injury and later with neck problems, which required surgery. He was unable to return to the Dodgers in 2011, appearing in only nine games, pitching $8 2⁄3$ innings with a 4.15 ERA and three saves. This was the fewest appearances for Padilla since his first season, and the first year he did not start any games since 2001 with the Phillies. He became a free agent following the season.

Boston Red Sox
On January 16, 2012, Padilla signed a minor league deal with the Boston Red Sox that included an invitation to spring training. He earned $1.5 million when he was promoted to major league level. Padilla made the 25-man roster and pitched out of the bullpen. He became a free agent following the season.

Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks
On January 16, 2013, Padilla signed a one-year deal with the Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks of the Nippon Professional Baseball League. He became a free agent following the season.

Pitching style
Padilla threw a wide variety of pitches during his career: a fastball, a curveball, a sinker, a slider, a changeup, and an eephus pitch. The fastball was his main pitch; it reached speeds of 92–94 mph. However, he was also one of the few pitchers in baseball to throw an eephus pitch, a slow curve that travels about 55 mph. Padilla tended to hit a lot of batters—his total of 106 hit batters (HB) is 70th all-time, and he led the American League in hit batters in 2006.

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The result of the debate was delete. --Tony Sidaway Talk 03:41, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

The Green Foudation
As near as I can tell, this is an Animal Crossing clan. The forum they're advertising has 11 members. —Cryptic (talk) 00:54, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete They didn't even bother to spell Foundation correctly! Ryan Norton T 00:58, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
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 * They are actually an Animal Crossing DS clan... a game that hasn't even been released yet!  Delete!  Thatdog 01:26, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
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 * Delete. The section "about us" makes it sound like they're spreading propaganda. Olleicua 02:15, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
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Great article, SuperJumbo, thanks! I was an eyewitness to the landing of PA845, from a nearby hilltop. There was ongoing radio news coverage after the takeoff accident, and my mother and I (I was a teenager at the time) walked a few blocks from home with binoculars and a VHF aviation-band radio. There were a few dozen people who watched and listened. Very memorable. MCB 00:54, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

A coworker, who was aboard this aircraft, read this at my desk on 15 May 2006. He says the account is extremely accurate and adds these nits:
 * He sat near row 30, left side. Though all injuries and most of the damage were behind him, he could see the Pacific Ocean thru the floor while they dumped fuel.  This rupture was apparently caused by the landing gear.
 * The aircraft was about half-full of passengers, so except for the injured and two medical doctors, everyone donned life preservers and moved to forward cabins.
 * A six-year-old boy was spared when a flying piece of debris (probably angle iron from an Approach Light Structure) stopped a few inches in front of his chest.
 * The landing was only partially controlled as they'd lost most of the hydraulics and had no brakes. At the first touch down, the plane bounced and blew out all the tires.  It bounced a second time and then skidded right.  Had the plane not stopped, they would have plunged into the ocean.
 * He could not egress through his designated exit door, as it was effectively blocked by the evacuation slide which high winds had blown over the top of the aircraft. Instead, he followed the pilot to the rear of the aircraft and simply stepped onto the ground (the plane tilted back onto its tail).
 * After landing, the plane suddenly tilted back so the front evacuation slides were some 50 feet off the ground, which caused most of the injuries.
 * During and after the thumps, scrapes and flying debris, he heard very few screams. Even though they circled for nearly two hours dumping fuel, virtually all passengers were quiet, orderly and surprisingly calm. Many got religion.  He was disappointed that he's left his shoes and paperback book in the back, as he wanted something to read while they circled.  Ironically, he found a newspaper with headlines of a 747 crash in Tokyo the day before.
 * Pan Am personnel asked him to return his life preserver. He refused and today still has it as a souvenir. User:RobertKeller

I was a passenger on this flight. I was 13 years old at the time and this was my first flight without a parent accompanying me. My recollection:

 * I was sitting in the first (bulkhead) row of the economy section in the starboard window seat directly behind first class. There was no one else in my row of three seats.
 * After rotation, while still on the ground, I looked out the window and saw the runway end. Violent impacts and crashing sounds immediately followed. I believe I remember a life raft stowed in the cabin ceiling over the vestibule of the doorway immediately in front of me crashing to the deck (I'm not completely certain of this -- if someone told me there was no life raft stowed in that position, I'd believe them.) I remember seeing all the inlets on the engine nacelle open, something I'd never seen before. I immediately smelled the tangy scent of hydraulic fluid, though I didn't know what it was at the time.
 * I remember little of the climb. I never left my seat, but I did hike myself up enough once to look aft over my seatback and saw the seats in the next seating section aft (the middle section of economy, over the body landing gear) had been punched up about 8 to 12 inches. All the oxygen masks in that section were deployed, perhaps just jarred loose by the impact.
 * I remember an announcement over the PA asking if there were doctors on board, and flight attendants moving about with blood-stained blouses.
 * Some time after we had climbed, the middle section of economy was evacuated, with the passengers moving forward and aft. Two adult passengers joined me in my row of three seats. During this move, passengers were also allowed to use the heads, and I remember the lines being several passengers deep.
 * We were told we were dumping fuel, that it would take some time and we would return to San Francisco. I remember two seeing two aircraft flying with us for a time, surveying the damage.
 * We were given instructions on donning our life preservers, to take our shoes off, that we would be using slides to evacuate, not to take anything with us from the aircraft and how to brace for impact. Some time before landing the crew came through the cabin and took questions directly from passengers. I remember asking if they were going to use foam (fire-extinguishing foam) on the runway, and being told that they likely would. (Foam was not used.)
 * The approach was smooth as I recall. The aircraft took a very large bounce after first touching down, but that initial touchdown was not violent, nor was the second. There was only one bounce and the tires did not blow out (see the photos of the aircraft in the hangar after the accident in the link in the article).  The bounce was later attributed to the very limited controls left to the pilot and the fact that he was trying to land very softly to prevent collapsing the remaining landing gear.
 * The landing roll seemed smooth, then became rough and loud. I remember leaving my braced position to steal a look out the window and seeing we had left the runway.
 * After coming to a stop, passengers rose from their seats and applauded the successful landing. In my recollection, the aircraft tilted back to rest on its tail so slowly that I didn't notice it while it was happening.
 * I joined the line of passengers to evacuate using the second door on the starboard side. I was about fourth in line to go down the slide when the crew decided to stop using the forward exits and sent the remaining passengers aft. It was only while walking aft that I noticed I was walking downhill. I exited the third door, over the wing.
 * I remember running, then walking, through dry grass to a waiting bus. I relinquished my life vest when asked for it.
 * We were first brought to the terminal at SFO. I was put in the care of an excellent Pan Am employee, (I believe his name was Hank Hashikawa) who escorted me for the rest of the day, made sure I was fed, had a change of clothes and was checked in to the hotel. He also arranging for my onward travel.
 * Passengers were put up in a hotel near the airport for the night. (I'm pretty sure it's now the Best Western Grosvenor Hotel.) Carry-on bags were eventually recovered from the cabin and delivered to the hotel lobby, and I remember going through the bags with other passengers. Checked luggage couldn't be removed from the aircraft and was delivered several days later.
 * I remember going to the roof of the hotel with other passengers to look at the aircraft still sitting in the SFO infield, resting on its tail. I also watched local television news coverage with many replays of the landing that night in the hotel.
 * The next day, I flew first class to Honolulu on Western Airlines, connecting with another Pan Am 747 to Tokyo (economy).

A few months later, my family took a vacation in the Marianas and flew first class on a Pan Am 707 from Toyko to Guam. It was a lightly loaded evening flight and the captain came back to spend some time with the passengers. I remember him speaking of the captain of flight 845 reverentially and saying that with 3 of 4 hydraulic systems out of service, it was truly a remarkable piece of flying to have saved the aircraft (preventing it from "cartwheeling into the bay", I think he said). There was a documentary TV series called "Escape" several years ago, one episode of which dealt with the development in aircraft escape slides. This episode includes video of the slides on this 747 being blown around by high winds after landing, and that this led to the development of much more rigid slides in future aircraft. Twelveup (talk) 16:14, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

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Why do they always claim Pilot Error?

My Grandfather was the Captain of Pan Am flight 845. Contrary to the tone of the Wikipedia article on this accident, which seems to place the bulk of the blame on the Pilot of the Aircraft, I have been informed by many active and retired pilots that he displayed amazing skill and performed admirably under some of the worst circumstances possible.

I have been raised on stories of this accident. According to the information I have been told the following occurred:

1) My grandfather was instructed to depart on 1R.  He was aware that the first 1000 feet of the runway were not usable due to the blast requirements for the freeway, decreasing the length of the runway.  This was apparently common knowledge for pilots flying out of San Francisco, but the Pan Am flight directors were "unaware" of it as it was a procedural issue that applied only to large thrust airplanes that routinely used runway 28R and not an issue with either smaller planes nor an actual shortening of the physical runway.  He questioned the length of the runway, and requested to use runway 28.

That a discussion took place as to the length of the runway is part of the NTSB record. After consultation with the tower (in which the tower and the Pan Am director mis-communicated) my Grandfather was provided an incorrect runway length. Had the runway been the length he was instructed, the plane would have had sufficient distance to clear the runway without incident. The velocity speed calculation would not have been an issue as the plane would have cleared the end of the runway with almost 1000 feet.

2) My Grandfather also questioned the plane's ability to take off on runway 1R at her calculated weight.  He insisted on clarification from the manufacturer (Boeing).  Boeing (in Seattle) was contacted by the Pan Am office in San Francisco by phone, and they instructed Pan Am that the plane would lift off runway 1R, well clear of the end of the runway at her reported weight.

3) My Grandfather had concerns about taking off from runway 1R in a 747.  He questioned the Tower, he questioned Pan Am, and he went so far as to ask clarification from Boeing.  He was informed that if he did not immediately roll the plane into take-off position that he would be removed as Captain and another pilot brought in to ensure the plane's timely departure.

He was basically told that he was wrong, and to shut up and fly the plane or they would get someone who would.

That the plane made it off the ground was a miracle.

The NTSB report shows that my Grandfather was correct in his belief that the runway was too short. Both the physical situation of the runway (the clearway which was not clear), and the requirement to not use throttle for the first 1000 feet of the runway decreased the length to such a degree that no thrust heavy plane should have been using it. The cross wind exceeded the parameters for the use of 1R further decreasing takeoff conditions, and had he been properly informed of the runway length, he would have taxied the plane back to the gate regardless of Pan Am's instructions.

The NTSB report also shows that the engines did not perform to take off thrust per manufacturer specifications. It took an additional 200-300 feet of runway to achieve take off velocity, above and beyond Boeing's calculation. That is a significant amount of runway. The NTSB report clearly states that Boeing was unable to explain why the engines underperformed to this degree, but no mention of the lack of performance is stated as a causal factor.

This reduced engine performance further compounded the mistake that Boeing had made in their calculations for the runways at SFO. Had the plane performed to Boeing's published specifications, even with the rotation at 161 knots, and an under-reported runway length, the plane would have lifted clear of the landing lights that ripped through her fuselage.

The report also shows that the plane was overweight for the runway. Maximum lift off for the 747 for this length of runway was 697,400 lbs. The actual weight of the aircraft was 708,000 meaning that the aircraft was almost 11,000 lbs overweight. 11,000 lbs overweight is not a minor issue. That Boeing did not recognize my Grandfather's concerns when contacted by Pan Am in San Francisco regarding this issue is particularly troubling. No mention is made in the NTSB report regarding the call to Boeing Seattle or my Grandfather's question about the length of the runway and the effect of the additional weight on the take off of the plane.

It is significant that the NTSB report allows that no cockpit voice recorded data was available to review for the time period before the take off. While the Pan Am and the tower do refer to communication between the plane and both of those entities, there is no actual record of what was said. At the inquest, My Grandfather was allowed to answer only "yes" and "no" to questions that he was asked. He was not allowed to clarify any response, nor to explain or add information to the record. It is easy to steer the results of an investigation if you limit the response of the main participants.

I think the true proof of his ability as a pilot are the facts that he was able to get the plane off the ground at all, and that while attempting to land his severely crippled aircraft, an attempt that had never previously been attempted in that model, he was able to do so with no loss of life. The only injuries sustained during the landing occurred when passengers tried to use the emergency escape slides after landing. It took exceptional skill to bring that wounded plane safely in for landing. The loss of elevator control which did not become apparent until it was too late to abort the landing, the failure of the engines to go into reverse, the collapse of the landing gear, I have been told by numerous pilots that this was a truly remarkable feat of flying. And finally, I think the following two items speak for themselves.

 * 1)  Following this accident, all runways are now constructed with recessed or flush lighting, ensuring that the length of a runway is actual usable runway.  Major airports have retrofitted their approach lighting to remove this hazard from their airports where possible.  This incident is acknowledged as the direct reason for that change in construction technique.  The aviation industry readily accepts that had the lighting not been placed on the end of the runway, reducing the length of the runway, there would have been no incident.
 * 2)  Today my Grandfather's actions in this incident are used by the major US airlines as a case study for a pilot who reacted correctly in extremis.  He is upheld as an example of what you SHOULD do.  If you mention the name Calvin York Dyer, do not be surprised to get a very different take on this accident that that which is portrayed in the short article you find on Wikipedia.

At the time this accident took place, the 747 was a new model for Boeing, and both Pan Am and Boeing were depending on its use for the economic success of their respective companies. How comfortable would you be flying on a plane if you heard that the manufacturer did not know the weight limits of its own planes, or that the plane's engines did not perform the way they should? And really, how much faith would a traveler have flying in and out of San Francisco International Airport if it had been reported that the airport did not know long its runways were? Both of these statements were accurate, and were economic poison.

The Wikipedia article places the blame for this accident almost solely on the shoulders of the pilot. The NTSB was facing significant pressure to present the accident as the result of pilot error. When you read the report in full, take into account the lack of cockpit voice data, the refusal of the committee to allow the pilot, or co-pilot to answer except in one word responses, and the pressure being brought to bear to keep consumer confidence in Pan Am, Boeing, and the San Francisco International Airport. Read the report in full, not just the first page, and you will see that there is more to the story that the pilot using the wrong velocity calculations.

My opinion
Well said. But sadly Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and encyclopedias are not interested in the truth only accepted "fact". I suggest you write a book about the event, your grandfather deserves it. That would also provide reference. Meanwhile getting that crippled Jumbo down without loss of life was great piloting and great heroism and how may families lived out their lives happy because of your grandfather. In good faith AMM — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.110.146 (talk) 22:08, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Image caption
Does anyone else read the caption to the image (where it references 1971 twice) that the image was taken in 1971 (the year of the incident)? If that is the case, the article suggests it was given it's name 'Clipper Juan T. Trippe' after being repaired and returned to Pan Am some years later and that is what is printed on the aircraft in the image 82.23.66.109 (talk) 12:03, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Hawaiian–Emperor seamount chain

For how long has this process gone on?

 * Are the oldest seamounts (near the Aleutian Trench) 80 million years old?
 * Have older seamounts been subducted under the North American Plate at the Aleutian Trench
 * How much more of this plate (together with older seamounts) may have disappeared?
 * Info on this would be useful in the article. --Tediouspedant (talk) 18:55, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Requested move
Hawaiian-Emperor seamount chain and Hawaiian – Emperor seamount chain (with an em dash) should be switched. The one with no spaces and the hyphen should hold the actual article, and the other should be a redirect to it. --cbdorsett (talk) 18:15, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, and done at last, though it is an en dash, as per guidelines here. Macdonald-ross (talk) 13:43, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Naming Convention
Why is there nothing on the naming convention here? To the layman, that is the most interesting point. It says in the Detriot summit wiki page that these are named after Japanese emperors. Why is this so? Surely, this information should be on this page. 82.10.108.118 (talk) 13:07, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

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WCHS (AM)

WCHS (580 kHz) is a news/talk/sports formatted broadcast radio station licensed to Charleston, West Virginia, serving Southern West Virginia and Southwestern West Virginia. WCHS is owned and operated by WVRC Media.

WCHS is the Primary Entry Point Emergency Alert System station for West Virginia.

History
WCHS signed on September 15, 1927, as WOBU, operating at 1120 kilohertz with 50 watts of power; it moved to 580 kilohertz the following year. The station was founded by Walter Fredericks, owner of the Charleston Radio Supply Company, who launched WOBU to sell more radios; he would sell the station in 1930. The call sign was changed to WCHS in 1933; by 1940, it was operating at its current power of 5,000 watts.

One popular program on the station was The Old Farm Hour. Country musicians Bill Cox and the Kessinger Brothers were among the performers on the show.

WCHS was acquired by the West Virginia Radio Corporation in 1992, and its format was changed from oldies to its current talk radio format; the oldies format would move to WKAZ-FM (107.3).

FM Translators
In addition to the main station broadcasting at 580 kHz, WCHS is relayed by two FM translators which are used to widen its broadcast area.

Programming
WCHS is the flagship station of the statewide West Virginia MetroNews network. Programming heard on WCHS consists of local and national news, talk and sports programs. The station's weekday morning schedule begins with the nationally syndicated "America in the Morning". "The Morning News" hosted by West Virginia MetroNews anchors Chris Lawrence and Shauna Johnson follows. A locally produced "Ask The Expert" then airs, followed by "MetroNews Talkline" hosted by Hoppy Kercheval.

The weekday afternoon lineup beings with the nationally syndicated Rush Limbaugh Show. "MetroNews Hotline" and "MetroNews Sportsline", hosted by Dave Weekley and Tony Caridi respectively, round out the afternoon. Various sports programs air in the evenings, with Dave Ramsey Show and "The Jim Bohannon Show" rounding out the night. Red Eye Radio is heard during the overnight hours.

The weekend lineup includes nationally syndicated shows from John Batchelor and Kim Komando. "West Virginia Outdoors" and "Sunday Sportsline", hosted by Chris Lawrence and Travis Jones respectively, are also heard. "The Don Nehlen and Bob Pruett Show" also airs on WCHS. The program is hosted by former West Virginia Mountaineers football head coach Don Nehlen and former Marshall University football head coach Bob Pruett.

Various programs, produced by West Virginia MetroNews, cover high school sports either live or with highlights during the week. The "MetroNews High School Scoreboard" airs highlights of games already played or to-be-played around the state. "High School Sportsline" is a mid-week call-in show, hosted by Garrett Cullen, exclusively about high school sports. "High School Game Night" is a live Friday evening program which features continuous score updates, interviews, and analysis.

WCHS is also an affiliate of the Cincinnati Reds Radio Network.

Awards
A 1942 Peabody Award for Outstanding Public Service by a Regional Station for "The Home Front," a twice-weekly feature. A 2007 National Edward R. Murrow Award, in the category of "Continuing Coverage", for their reporting on the Sago Mine disaster in Sago, West Virginia.

The station was presented with two 2011 Regional Edward R. Murrow Awards. The first, in the category of "Breaking News Coverage", was given for the station's coverage of the Upper Big Branch Mine disaster in Montcoal, West Virginia. The second, in the category of "Audio News Documentary", was for "The Life of U.S. Senator Robert C. Byrd".

In 2011, the station was presented with a National Edward R. Murrow Award, for their Upper Big Branch Mine disaster coverage. WCHS, along with four other stations, were nominated for the 2011 Marconi Radio Award for "News/Talk Station of the Year" by the National Association of Broadcasters. WSB in Atlanta, however, won the award.

In 2014, WCHS anchors and reports Chris Lawrence, Fred Persinger, Jeff Jenkins, Shauna Johnson, and Hoppy Kercheval were presented with various awards at that year's West Virginia Broadcasters Association "Excellence in Broadcasting Awards".

In 2015, the station was again presented with two Regional Edward R. Murrow Awards, one for "Overall Excellence" and the other for "Best Newscast".

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Jack and Jill (comics)

Jack and Jill was a British children's comics magazine published by Amalgamated Press/Fleetway/IPC between 27 February 1954 and 29 June 1985, a run of approximately 1,640 issues. In 1955, Jack and Jill absorbed the fellow Amalgamated Press title Playbox (launched in 1925).

The title of the magazine was derived from the nursery rhyme of the same title but the characters Jack and Jill of Buttercup Farm were otherwise unrelated. Jack and Jill of Buttercup Farm was the cover strip for many years, originally drawn by Hugh McNeill and later by Antonio Lupatelli.

The stories of Jack and Jill were related in rhyming couplets, as were a number of other early stories, although by the end of the 1970s the stories were written in normal prose form. Others were told in captions below the illustrations or text comics, a style of storytelling common to pre-war nursery comic magazines such as Puck (published 1904–1940) and The Rainbow (published 1914–1956).

Strips and text comics

 * Chalky the Blackboard Boy
 * Douglas Dachshund
 * The Enchanted House
 * Flipper the Skipper / Flipper the Jolly Penguin
 * Fliptail the Otter, by Bernard Long
 * Freddie Frog
 * Fun in Toyland
 * Gregory Grasshopper
 * Harold Hare
 * Jack and Jill of Buttercup Farm
 * Jerry, Don and Snooker
 * Joe, based on the BBC TV series
 * Katie Country Mouse
 * Linda and Her Magic Bubble Mixture
 * Little Miss, based on the characters created by Roger Hargreaves
 * Moonie
 * Pinky and Perky, based on the TV series
 * Pixie Pip
 * Snuggles the Koala Bear
 * Teddy and Cuddly
 * Tiger Tim and the Bruin Boys
 * Toad of Toad Hall, based on The Wind in the Willows story
 * Tommy Trouble
 * Walter Hottle-Bottle
 * The Wombles, based on the BBC TV series

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Talk:Chris Brand

Removed unsourced material
For a while the article has said "Chris Brand is a widely discredited(citation needed) white nationalist(citation needed)".

I have removed these because they have been present for a while and no one has sourced them. And what does "widely discredited" even mean? He's either discredited or not. Perhaps "widely considered to be discredited"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.221.185.79 (talk) 13:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Externals links
One of the external links was a link to a Wikipedia page that was already covered by a category, so I removed it. Of the remaining links: be removed on the grounds that it's a dead link.
 * Summary of Chris Brand controversies - currently gives an internal server error - may need to be looked at again. If it stays offline, it needs to
 * IQ & PC - what is claimed to be Brands' blog. If so, that would probably cover clause 1 of WP:ELOFFICIAL, but clause 2 is debatable - this is a personal blog that covers material not covered in the article.
 * Amazon reviews written by Chris Brand - WP:ELOFFICIAL says to minimise the number of links and to avoid WP:UNDUE. It also says More than one official link should be provided only when the additional links provide the reader with unique content and are not prominently linked from other official websites This link is a series of reviews and so lacks the sensationalist nature of the blog mentioned above, though they are opinionated.Autarch (talk) 21:07, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Intelligence Citations Bibliography for Articles Related to IQ Testing
Brand is certainly a controversial figure. But statements about him in Wikipedia articles need to be sourced, by Wikipedia policies. You may find it helpful while reading or editing articles to look at a bibliography of Intelligence Citations, posted for the use of all Wikipedians who have occasion to edit articles on human intelligence and related issues. I happen to have circulating access to a huge academic research library at a university with an active research program in these issues (and to another library that is one of the ten largest public library systems in the United States) and have been researching these issues since 1989. You are welcome to use these citations for your own research. You can help other Wikipedians by suggesting new sources through comments on that page. It will be extremely helpful for articles on human intelligence to edit them according to the Wikipedia standards for reliable sources for medicine-related articles, as it is important to get these issues as well verified as possible. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk) 20:46, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

 * It's especially important to look up sources about living persons connected to the recent ArbCom case, to clean up the articles in this category. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk) 01:47, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Crapification of this page
I don't know a thing about him, never heard of him before. But these recent edits look like garbage to me. Badanedwa (talk) 15:20, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * By "garbage" I don't mean it isn't true, but it's badly written and uncited crap. Badanedwa (talk) 16:51, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed it as best as I can, don't know anything about this guy. Badanedwa (talk) 17:27, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:Visviva/Archive

Hi and welcome to Wikipedia. A few tips for you:

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Andong
Hi,

Thanks for the kind words. I also have an inclination to slowly build up the information about the secondary Korean cities such as Andong. The main cities aren't too badly covered, but below the top 6 its pretty sparce! I will do my best, and hope to see you around.

Peregrine981 04:22, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

Name of Kings
Thank you for your contribution on kings of Korea. You wrote the article, King Bojang of Goguryeo. What about "King Bojang" without the mention of the country. It would be enough. We do not call Jangsuwang of Goguryeo, but just Jangsuwang and everyone know he was a king of Goguryeo. There would be a few exceptions such as Taejong, Taejo, which are for both Goryeo and Joseon. In that case we could make a disambiguation page. And we could redirect "King Bojang of Goguryeo" to "King Bojang". Simple is better! -- Ryuch 14:23, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Good work
Hi, Visviva: Thanks for all your good work on Korea's history and geography. 잘 되셨습니다.

I've left Wikipedia now, but I and another retired Wikipedian (along with a handful of other contributors) worked hard to bring the Korean subject area on Wikipedia up to the standard of other countries and cultures. A solid platform of subject matter exists now so that new contributors like you and others can add to it easily.

(I am the one who expanded the List of Korea-related topics into its current form; it was little more than a category page when I started. I also introduced the now-ubiquitous Korean name tables, which I am glad to see you have adopted, although the feature has had a handful of detractors.  And as Peregrine981 pointed out above, yes, the city articles are sparse, but at least I created articles for every city and county that didn't have one, and reformatted the existing ones so that they'd have a consistent appearance....)

Anyhow, your edits are well written and informative, and you've got a handle on both romanization systems to boot! (Many people have trouble spelling correctly in one system, let alone two....) Keep up the good work. By the way, I particularly liked your work on Mungyeong Saejae: that and Seokguram are my two favourite places in Korea. -Sewing - talk 15:58, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
 * Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
 * Multi-Licensing Guide
 * Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the " " template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

 * Option 1
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR
 * Option 2
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions to any U.S. state, county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace " " with "  ". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

Kwangmyongsong
Thanks for adding the table. Evil Monkey → Talk 04:08, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)

Goguryeo
Hi, I was just cleaning up the cleanup page, hence why I checked Goguryeo. The cleanup page Cleanup/Leftovers suggests that ... "it's just that the tables of royal names (Mandarin Chinese and Korean), which have to be merged, so that one or more columns in the main tables are for the Korean pronunciations of the names". cheers - Drstuey 00:10, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Pyongyang ward names
Hi, you seem to know quite a bit about Korean transliteration (I'm a total beginner) so I thought I'd asked you to check. In the Pyongyang article I changed "Molanbong" to "Moranbong" and "Rakrang" to "Rangnang" under the wards section, the latter change because I think that while the "initial r to n" change is South Korean, the "k + r = ngn" is one of those universal changes (I had put links on the article's discussion page where there are maps marking it "Rangnang"), but I want to check with someone anyway. Thanks! -- KittySaturn 13:47, 2005 Jan 27 (UTC)

 * the "k + r = ngn" is one of those universal changes - okay my textbook doesn't seem to think so. hmmm are you around much? It'd be nice to get some advice from someone more experienced... thanks!! KittySaturn 06:14, 2005 Feb 19 (UTC)

 * According to South Korean pronunciation standards, -k+r- becomes -ngn- [ŋn]; according to DPRK pronunciation standards, -k+r- becomes -ngr- [ŋr], similar to the change of -p+r- (South: -mn-; DPRK: -mr-, such as in 압록강 / 鴨綠江 Amrokkang). Babelfisch 08:37, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

What were your comments on Heo-Hwang?
I couldn't find the link.

I guess it doesn't matter.
I was just curious on your comments on the talk page because no one else discussed the article. It's cool that you expanded the article.

About MR
Thanks for your message; I replied to your comment at Yi/I question. I am actually very much a beginner in Korean, but I have been extremely fortunate to find a textbook that deals with all pronunciations, south or north, and differences between the usages in the north and the south, with such pinpoint precision that I have never seen in any other language textbook, not just Korean. (It was also in this textbook that I found the letter names as used in North Korea and inserted into the Hangul article.) Outside looking at the Korean language with a (mathematical?) precision, and a curiosity about North Korea, I am afraid I know very little about Korea to contribute otherwise to Korea-related topics...

I did think of throwing in the full table of how all the combinations of consonants are pronounced - by this I mean such things as, for example, when to glottalise (or tense) a consonant in the same Hangul combinations used in different contexts (e.g. final ㄴ + initial ㄱ; the ㄱ may be voiced or tensed depending on what the word actually is - that is also where the MR table is over-simplified), in addition to the standard consonant changes such km -> ngm, but I don't really know IPA very well. -- KittySaturn 05:08, 2005 Jun 16 (UTC)

Siheung
Yes, Siheung is treating me well. I am quite happy here, although I have only been in Siheung since December 2004. I am curious, what are your reasons for not liking Siheung? As for expanding the article on Siheung, well, i dont't know enough about the city to expand it. To me, most cities outside of Seoul are pretty much the same. They are full of PC bangs, noraebangs, room salons, and corner stores. I prefer smaller towns because they are quiet (I come from small-town Canada).

As for moving the Konglish to Contemporary culture of South Korea, that is a good idea. As for the foreigners in korea, i think it is important to leave that where it is. Possibly it could be added to and expanded at the foreign influences, but i feel it needs to be on the South Korea page. Masterhatch

Korean textbook
It's a textbook written in Japanese. 『朝鮮語を学ぼう』 (Chōsengo o manabō) by the Society for Korean Linguistics in Japan, published by Sanshūsha, 1987. -- KittySaturn 07:54, 2005 Jun 19 (UTC)

South Korean Cities Collaboration
Hi,

I'm happy to help with the project to epand Gyeongju as best as possible. Its a good idea. I may or may not be able to for a few days, as things may be pretty busy for me in that time. Peregrine981 14:05, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

Water and what to call it
I was just thinking, based on the talk pages, that the best person to deal with this issue is Visviva. Then I looked at my talk page and found that you were the one who originally called me attention to the Sea of Japan / East Sea.

Machigotta! I jungmal forgot who it was who called me over there. Sorry for the broken Korpanese... I'll tell you a story about that one day.

Anyway, the key is to describe the conflict without taking sides on it. And the real difficulty is to choose terms with which to describe the terminological dispute - again, without seeming to endorse any side as right.

Does Wikipedia have an project page about framing? If not, we should create it: framing. -- Uncle Ed (talk) June 28, 2005 19:40 (UTC)

Thanks
Just wanted to say thanks for being involved in the discussion about the Korean naming convention (Sea of Japan) here. It's so much better than an editwar. I'm sure we can find a new consensus if we all work together. Have a nice day! Kokiri 29 June 2005 16:24 (UTC)

Sea of Japan/East Sea
Hi there! I believe I have summarized the issue here and invite you to comment. Cheers! Kokiri 29 June 2005 20:25 (UTC)

Tsushima Islands
I appreciate your comment posted on Talk:Tsushima Islands, and I have already known you for quite some time.

In view of the problem and the resentement of the Korean name in the infobox of Tsushima Islands by some Japanese, American or European users, I would appreciate if you could analyse the problem in contrast to my statements in here. By the way, are you an ethnic Korean? I'm a Chinese by ethnicity. Cheers! Mr Tan 30 June 2005 15:12 (UTC)

Gyeongju Geography Map
I've quickly traced the topgraphy of the Gyeongju area: Image:G area draft.png. Probably will have to crop a bit at the top. Also, I'm very open about the colours used, and any other comments. Have a nice day! Kokiri 6 July 2005 00:39 (UTC)

 * I just noticed that the mountains on my map are all in the wrong place… Let's just forget it. Kokiri 6 July 2005 16:31 (UTC)

Sorry, no chance for an accurate version. The map I used for the topographical data must have used a quite different map projection (probably distorted), and there's no way I'm going to calculate that. Well done on your work on Gyeongju! Kokiri 6 July 2005 16:45 (UTC)

Pottsville High School VfD
Hi! I noticed that you voted keep here. The article in question is a copyright violation, so I'm voting delete. If you feel like writing a new stub, let me know so I can change my vote, otherwise you may wish to reconsider your vote. --Scimitar 7 July 2005 19:00 (UTC)

Lemming
Whoa, hold up there. That lemming that I uploaded, do not accuse me of cropping the image. I swear on the grave of my grandfather I didn't edit that image. Redwolf24 12:33, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I replied on my page. But I want to note one thing. What if that site took it from somewhere else? It is definately easier to add a tag than to remove it. Plus its inverted. Redwolf24 13:04, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

WHOA THERE. look at the link. There is ice present in that picture. Theres no ice in my picture! they're two different lemmings! Redwolf24 13:06, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

I implore you to open the link to your alaska wildlife site and have my lemming up too and you will definately notice the differences. They are different lemmings in different places. Redwolf24 13:12, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Hornby High School
I read your comments on Votes for deletion/Hornby high school. Fortunately, the Internet Archive had a copy, so the article has been expanded until they are done making changes to their current website. Bahn Mi 20:20, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Hello Visviva
Hello again, would you be so kind to review the section that I added at the Korean language article about North-South differences for me...? I hope you can polish it a bit for me, e.g. I don't know if ㅂ-irregular verbs are actually called that in English. I also added the Hanja for Hwan, looked up from. (As another sign, in addition to the name for Seoul, that we Chinese people are inexcusably slow when it comes to using new names, that character is still often used in Chinese for the Korean currency nowadays...) -- KittySaturn 17:05, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you very much for your help! I tend to think that the section belongs to some article that deals with the Korean language in some aspect at least, instead of being a separate article (unless the section is expanded considerably more in the future - hands up those who want to live in North Korea for a few years and tell us more? 위대한 령도자 김정일동지 만세! etc. :P). If you think moving the section to Dialects of Korean is a good idea, please do so (should we ask others first...?). -- KittySaturn 17:58, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Naming dispute
I've continued the discussion on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Korean)/Disputed names (yes, I did read the whole discusssion again), hoping that we can reach agreement. Kokiri 16:19, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

No Gun Ri
Thank you for your past assistance in keeping Lopez's POV out of No Gun Ri incident. He is generally a POV pusher who has been revert warring this article and many others, including ones related to it such as U.S. 7th Cavalry Regiment and Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Reporting. Help keep an eye out on those if you don't mind. Thanks. --TJive 12:24, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

Collaboration
Thanks for the "heads up" on the collaboration. I'll take the opportunity to congratulate you on some fine work on last month's collaboration, which has improved immeasurably. Peregrine981 13:16, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

VFD/Chang (surname)
Hello Visviva I'd like to notify you that I've requested for an extension to to the VFD, as new and important arguments are presented. It would be nice if you can reconsider your vote. Thanks. — Instantnood 11:10, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

Yi Seok
The Yi Seok article is maintained by the Press Office of Prince Yi Seok, and is deemed to be generally as accurate as required by his household, should you have any questions please write c/o of the Wikipedia post box POofYS before future corrections. Should you require verification of the authority of this office, you may write to the Press Office of Yi Seok care of the Mayor's Office in the city Jeonju, ROK.

With regards to public domain photos of Yi Seok, an official photo will soon be released as public domain over the internet in a way to satisfy the Wikipedia editors.

The Yi Seok article had in the past been hacked repeatedly, and to some extent while this is a public domain encyclopaedia, the article is maintained, and extended as required.

Prince Yi Seok and his family are indeed on very good terms with Prince Yi Won. And if requested, we will maintain that site as well, pending approval.

Thanks again for your kind work in editing. And support in keeping interest up in a strikingly important aspect of Korean and world history. And the preservation of imperial traditions and ideals. --POofYS 13:45, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

Votes for deletion/WikiProject Deletion sorting/Util
What is this page for? The problem is it shows up in the categories of all the pages it transcludes, which is going to confuse a lot of users. the wub  "?/!"  09:21, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Q with no U words
The person who added those Q with no U words was me. I was working from a list I found in a book written around 20 years ago, which also contained the definitions. The worry was for me that as soon as I attempted to write the definitions, I felt myself infringing a copyright. I will attempt to write individual definitions of each word - but I personally am not happy with writing the words in lower case. Make no mistake, however, that this is entirely my problem as a semi-serious Scrabbler who assumes everything related to Scrabble he writes in lower case refers to the usage of the blank tile.

If you want me to rewrite the list in lower case, I'm fine with that. I will add the definitions as soon as possible. I will probably end up forwarding this message to Soo Reams, page co-worker, as well, if you are happy with that. Thank you. Bobo192 | Edits

VFD'ing proposal pages
As you say, VFD should never be used to shut down a policy/guideline proposal. In fact, it can't. However, VFD can legitimately be used to remove junk or misleading pages from Wikipedia namespace. There are some things that may look like a proposal but are in fact an attempt to WP:POINT, entirely redundant with something else, or otherwise not constructive. Please look at individual cases to determine whether or not they're serious. Radiant_ >|< 12:41, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem, and thank you. Radiant_ >|< 09:09, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Korean Template
Hi. Before I go adding a lot more Korean articles, I'd like to know how to use the Korean Template. I have no idea how to implement it. Could You explain it to me? Kdammers 08:18, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

VFD sorting
Thanks for making the India VFD page. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  15:13, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

Korean Template Again
Maybe I'm dense, but I still don't understand about the template. To me, a template is some-thing that I can cut and paste and then modify rather than a list of things to be included. If I am write, how do I do it. If not, then let me know, and I'll go through the list each time I write an article. Kdammers 03:15, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

VfD sorting
Your wikiproject is one of the most useful contributions to Wikipedia. Thank you for all the work you have put into it. -- Naive cynic 08:50, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

why
Why exactly are you doing this? You haven't done it for any other category. Radiant_ >|< 13:06, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * I would suggest that you use some other means to promote your project than to add a reference to each VFD nomination. VFD discussions are long enough already without that. Radiant_ >|< 09:00, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

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List of Los Angeles Angels owners and executives

The Los Angeles Angels are a professional baseball team based in Anaheim, California. The team has had four principal owners, and ten General Managers, since its inception in 1961.


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Talk:McLean County, Illinois Townships

Requested move
The article is as far as I can tell sourcework and should be moved.--Robert Harrison|Talk 01:23, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Done
I think I did it all by myself. Hopefully I did not mess it up. --Robert Harrison|Talk 20:35, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

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Davey Johnstone

David William Logan Johnstone (born 6 May 1951) is a Scottish rock guitarist and vocalist, best known for his long-time collaboration with Elton John as a member of the Elton John Band.

Career
Johnstone was born in Edinburgh. At the age of seven, at primary school, he volunteered to learn the violin. But by the time he was 10 he was playing it "sideways like a guitar". One of his sisters then bought him a guitar for Christmas and by the age of 12 he was organising bands at his secondary school, Forrester High School. He had already decided he wanted to be a musician when he grew up.

Johnstone's first work was with Noel Murphy in 1968, where he received his first album credit on the album Another Round. By 1969, Johnstone had secured regular work as a session musician, where he began to branch out and explore differing genres of music, and experiment with a variety of instruments. In 1970, when Lyell Tranter (one of the two guitarists in the acoustic British folk group Magna Carta) left the band, Johnstone took his place as a member. He recorded several albums with them beginning in 1970 on Seasons (1970), and continued to contribute to Songs from Wasties Orchard (1971) (named after the street where he lived in Long Hanborough, Oxfordshire), and a live album entitled In Concert.

During his stint with Magna Carta, Johnstone played a wide variety of instruments including guitar, mandolin, sitar, and dulcimer. He also caught producer Gus Dudgeon's attention during this time – Dudgeon asking Johnstone to play on Bernie Taupin's eponymous 1971 solo album, which resulted in a meeting with Elton John, and ultimately, Johnstone's playing on John's 1971 album Madman Across the Water, after which he was invited to join Elton John's band as a full member. Previously, the Elton John Band consisted of John himself, bassist Dee Murray, and drummer Nigel Olsson.

Johnstone's debut album as a full-time member with John's band, was the 1972 Honky Chateau, on which he played electric and acoustic guitars, slide guitar, banjo, and mandolin, and also sang backing vocals alongside Murray and Olsson. In 1972 he worked with Joan Armatrading and Pam Nestor on their Gus Dudgeon-produced debut album Whatever's for Us, playing acoustic and electric guitar on several tracks, and sitar on the song "Visionary Mountains".

Johnstone released a solo album, Smiling Face, in 1973 through The Rocket Record Company and created a short-lived band called China that released an eponymous album in 1977.

Even while playing alongside other artists such as Stevie Nicks, Meat Loaf and Alice Cooper during the late 1970s and early 1980s, Johnstone was never very far from Elton's projects, and following his reunion with original bandmates Nigel Olsson and Dee Murray full-time for 1982's "Jump Up" tour, has rarely been absent from an Elton John album track or tour.

In 1990, Johnstone collaborated for the first time with lyricist Steve Trudell. With music and lyric in place, the two formed Warpipes, which included past and present Elton John band members Nigel Olsson on drums, Bob Birch on bass, Guy Babylon on keyboards, along with Billy Trudel as vocalist. In 1991, Warpipes released their only album, Holes in the Heavens, on the label Artful Balance Records. When Artful Balance Records folded, Bridge Recordings released an eponymous album (with cover-art showing a space in the name: "War Pipes") which included all bar "Satellite City" from the "Holes..." album. The track order was also changed and three new tracks included: "Little Persuader", "Dust On My Boots" and "One Love True". Additionally, some of the tracks from the "Holes..." album were edited with consequent duration changes.

In 1991, Johnstone produced Addison Steel's Stormy Blue in which he played guitar, mandolin, sitar, and banjo, and performed vocals. Co-producer Guy Babylon joined with keyboard arrangements, alongside drummer Nigel Olsson and Billy Trudell adding percussion and vocals respectively.

In 1996, Johnstone released an instructional guitar video titled Davey Johnstone: Star Licks Master Sessions for Star Licks Productions, in which he plays a wide variety of John classics, joined by Billy Trudel on vocals and Bob Birch on bass. In 1997, while on tour with John, Johnstone and then Elton John bandmate and former Hellecasters guitarist John Jorgenson spent much of their off time creating Crop Circles, an album of acoustic instrumentation released in 1998.

On 10 June 2009, Johnstone played a landmark 2000th show as a member of the Elton John Band at the SECC in Glasgow, Scotland. He is currently serving as John's musical director, in addition to his guitar work, playing along with Nigel Olsson and John Mahon; he also performed with Bob Birch before Birch's death in August 2012.

In 2014, he played on "Belle Fleur" and "If You Were My Love" from Stevie Nicks' album 24 Karat Gold: Songs from the Vault. He knew Nicks from when he played guitar on several songs from her 1981 album Bella Donna.

On 1 October 2019, Johnstone performed his 3,000th show with Elton John at the first of two Farewell Yellow Brick Road tour stops at the SaskTel Centre in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan.

On 25 June 2023, he played with John at the Glastonbury Festival. The set was one of the headline acts and was billed as John's last live UK performance.

Personal life
Johnstone lives in Los Angeles with his wife. The couple have seven children.

Solo discography

 * Smiling Face (1973)
 * "Love Is a Crazy Feeling" (single – B-side "Burnin'") (1980)
 * Deeper Than My Roots (2022)

Collaborations
With Elton John
 * Madman Across the Water (Uni Records, 1971)
 * Honky Château (Uni Records, 1972)
 * Don't Shoot Me I'm Only the Piano Player (MCA Records, 1973)
 * Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (MCA Records, 1973)
 * Caribou (MCA Records, 1974)
 * Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy (MCA Records, 1975)
 * Rock of the Westies (MCA Records, 1975)
 * Blue Moves (Rocket, 1976)
 * Too Low for Zero (Geffen, 1983)
 * Breaking Hearts (Geffen, 1984)
 * Ice on Fire (Geffen, 1985)
 * Leather Jackets (Geffen, 1986)
 * Reg Strikes Back (MCA Records, 1988)
 * Sleeping with the Past (MCA Records, 1989)
 * The One (MCA Records, 1992)
 * Made in England (Island Records, 1995)
 * The Big Picture (Mercury Records, 1997)
 * Songs from the West Coast (Mercury Records, 2001)
 * Peachtree Road (Universal Music Records, 2004)
 * The Captain & the Kid (Mercury Records, 2006)
 * Wonderful Crazy Night (Mercury Records, 2016)

With Alice Cooper
 * From the Inside (1978)
 * Flush the Fashion (1980)

With Joan Armatrading
 * Whatever's for Us (A&M Records, 1972)

With Eric Carmen
 * Tonight You're Mine (Arista Records, 1980)

With Belinda Carlisle
 * A Woman and a Man (Chrysalis Records, 1996)

With B.B. King
 * B.B. King & Friends: 80 (Geffen, 2005)

With Shaun Cassidy
 * Under Wraps (Warner Bros. Records, 1978)

With Ryan Malcolm
 * Home (Sony, 2003)

With Jimmy Webb
 * Land's End (Asylum Records, 1974)

With Rick Astley
 * Portrait (RCA Records, 2005)

With Kiki Dee
 * Loving & Free (Rocket, 1973)
 * Kiki Dee (Rocket, 1977)
 * Stay With Me (Rocket, 1978)

With Brian Cadd
 * Yesterdaydreams (Capitol Records, 1978)

With Olivia Newton-John
 * The Rumour (MCA Records, 1988)

With Bernie Taupin
 * Taupin (DJM, 1971)

With Rod Stewart
 * A Spanner in the Works (Warner Bros. Records, 1995)

With Yvonne Elliman
 * Night Flight (RSO Records, 1978)
 * Yvonne (RSO Records, 1979)

With Vonda Shepard
 * Vonda Shepard (Reprise Records, 1989)

With Leo Sayer
 * Leo Sayer (Chrysalis Records, 1978)

With Stevie Nicks
 * Bella Donna (ATCO Records, 1981)
 * 24 Karat Gold: Songs from the Vault (Reprise Records, 2014)

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Alexandre Defaux

Alexandre Defaux (1826–1900) was a French artist. He was born in Bercy and studied under Jean-Baptiste-Camille Corot. He was a member of the Barbizon School.

List of paintings

 * Brassée de fleurs dans une jardinière
 * Les Cerisiers en fleurs en Normandie
 * Country Landscape with Flowering Trees
 * Feeding Time
 * In the Shelter of the Stack
 * Intérieur de Paris. Barricade de 1830
 * Normandy Farm House
 * Paysage en Normandie
 * Poules pres d'un puits
 * A Fishing Village

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The Juniper Tree

The Juniper Tree may refer to:

 * The Juniper Tree (fairy tale), a fairy tale by the Brothers Grimm
 * The Juniper Tree (film), a 1990 film starring Björk
 * The Juniper Tree (opera), a 1985 opera composed by Philip Glass and Robert Moran
 * The Juniper Tree, a 1997 opera by Roderick Watkins (music) and Patricia Debney (libretto)
 * The Juniper Tree (novel), a 1985 novel by Barbara Comyns
 * "The Juniper Tree", a 2000 short science fiction story by John Kessel
 * Juniper, a plant in the genus Juniperus

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Zeliard

Zeliard (ゼリアード) is a 1987 role playing platform game developed for the NEC PC-8801 and published by Game Arts in 1987 in Japan. Sierra On-Line struck a deal with Game Arts and had the game re-published for Europe and North America for MS-DOS compatible operating systems in 1990. In Zeliard, the player controls the knight Duke Garland, whose task is to save the Kingdom of Zeliard by destroying the evil overlord Jashiin, and recovering the Nine Tears of Esmesanti, magic jewels.

Plot
An ancient demon, called Jashiin (and self-dubbed as the Emperor of Chaos), emerges from a two-thousand-year-old sleep to unleash his wrath upon the Kingdom of Zeliard. Justifying his actions as a revenge upon the ancient kings of Zeliard, Jashiin does so by causing a sand rain to continue for 115 days, turning the kingdom into desert; as well, he turns King Felishika's only daughter, the beautiful princess Felicia, into stone.

The protagonist and player-controlled character, Duke Garland, is sent by the spirits to aid Zeliard and save Felicia. Duke Garland must recover the Nine Tears of Esmesanti, stolen by Jashiin from Felicia upon turning her to stone, for only these can reverse the stone curse. Subsequently, Duke Garland must also slay Jashiin.

Finally, Garland may find safe haven in various cities and outposts not yet conquered by Jashiin, in order to rest (in so called Inn's) and purchase weaponry and equipment.

Gameplay
Zeliard is a role playing platform game. The gameplay can be divided into sections—in-town, and in-labyrinth. To complete the game, the player must pass through eight increasingly complex labyrinths, swarming with Jashiin's underlings. At the end of each Labyrinth, a boss dwells, holding one of the nine Tears; the final Tear is held by Jashiin himself.

No combat takes place in towns, with the exception of an optional boss in a building in the town with the fire caverns. Towns usually exist on the borders of different labyrinths, although some are located in the middle, and one village is hidden. When in town, Garland can make use of banks, shops, sages and resting areas, provided he has adequate gold. Garland may also talk to the townsfolk in hope of getting useful information for his quest.

The labyrinths are the combat space of the game. When in a labyrinth, Garland will have to make good use of his sword, shield, special items, and magic spells, in order to slay countless creatures, and progress to the next boss or town. The labyrinth area is divided into eight different sections, each with a unique appearance and containing unique monsters, and each having a different boss monster, guarding one of the Tears of Esmesanti jewels. Some labyrinth even contain invisible walls, which need to be crossed using the monsters (like in level 8 dogs) that one also needs to fight.

Regular monsters inhabit each labyrinth, respawning each time Garland enters. When a monster is killed, it may drop an alma. Almas can be exchanged at banks for gold or with some NPCs for a quest item.

Garland can die by taking excessive damage from close contact with monsters, their projectiles, or the natural environment such as hidden spikes or excessive temperatures. When dying, Garland will lose all his carried gold and half his carried almas, and be teleported back to the very first town in the game, having to go back to where he was before dying (which is usually easier than going there the first time, since the boss monsters are already dead, all the closed doors remain open, and special items acquired later in the game may be of use for quicker progression).

Reception
The game was well received by critics in both Europe and in America. Planetstation Magazine in their retrospective on Game Arts called the game a classic imbued with personality and recommended the game if they can accept the game's harsh difficulty, but described the gameplay as repetitive.

However, in 2017 PC Gamer magazine listed the European release as having one of the worst box covers of all time, saying that it is inferior to the original box art's anime art style.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phenomenauts

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was KEEP the rewrite. The copyvio aspect has already been dealth with. -Splash 21:01, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Phenomenauts
Bandcruft, improperly linked external pictures. Delete Andrew pmk | Talk 01:10, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Actually, these guys have been on Warped Tour twice, according to their article, which meets WP:MUSIC critera for inclusion. Fernando Rizo T/C 02:16, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: AMG has an entry on them. I'd vote to keep on that basis, but unfortunately its a copyvio in its current state. I've tagged and reported it. Jaxl | talk 02:21, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, not heard of it myself but looking at evidence it's certainly wikiworthy. The article should be expanded upon and made to a better quality, though.--195.92.168.173 02:25, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't think they meet the criteria to delete. Trollderella 07:49, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as copyvio. Would support a legitimate article on this band as they meet WP:music. Capitalistroadster 09:59, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Jachin 21:49, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I rewrote it and added some content. It meets WP:MUSIC at this point I think it's ok... Rx StrangeLove 23:35, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Rewritten on temp subpage. Andrew pmk | Talk 00:31, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep the rewrite, but delete the original to get rid of the copyvio. the wub  "?/!"  08:25, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:1981 Major League Baseball strike

Post season results
Why are post-season results on this page - these results belong on the 1981 World Series, 1981 NLCS and ALCS, and 1981 NLDS and ALDS pages. Even the regular season results should be moved to their own page. This page is about the strike only; the post season info needs to be removed and properly linked to the appropriate page.--CrazyTalk 01:10, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * CrazyTalk is correct, the standings don't belong here. I'll check back in a couple days, and then I'm going to remove them.--Bookandcoffee 17:42, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Done.--Bookandcoffee 16:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

The Introduction
We are told that "The 1981 Major League Baseball strike was the fifth work stoppage in Major League Baseball since the 1972 Major League Baseball strike."

If the Category:Major League Baseball labor disputes is to be believed, it was the second strike, and the first since 1972.

I'm not sure where this enumeration comes from (there were labor disputes in 19th and early 20th century baseball), but it requires some explanation. WHPratt (talk) 14:41, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

 * This was surprising to me also, but it was mostly correct (it was actually the fourth stoppage since the 1972 strike).. Most of the other strikes/lockouts were relatively minor and aren't likely to merit standalone articles, so they won't show up in the category. --Bongwarrior (talk) 00:25, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zolo Music

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was copyvio, deleted. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 12:37, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Zolo Music
Possible copyright violation. Cannot verify this, so wondering if this article can be removed through a vfd instead. Has been outstanding since Aug. 3rd 2005. HappyCamper 01:11, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't know what it is, but delete. Alr 02:26, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete; 123 googles. Jaxl | talk 02:37, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Dottore So 13:01, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Jachin 21:50, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, bizzare nonsense. the wub  "?/!"  08:27, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I've deleted this as a copyvio, while going through the backlog. There's just no way that it isn't one, and no one's raised any objections to it for the near-month it's been listed. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 12:37, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.