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India Pakistani?
In 1935, a magnitude-7.5 earthquake was recorded in Quetta, India, killing 50,000. In 1974, just north of the recent quake's epicenter, a magnitude-6.2 earthquake occurred, generating 5,800 casualties. Is it in India or Pakistani? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wk muriithi (talk • contribs)

 * Reply: It was in British India. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.73.36.67 (talk • contribs)

1935 Quake
It is part of Pakistan. This must be an old reference during the British colonial rule. User:Siddiqui 19:32, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Population
Quetta's population is at least 2 million.
 * It is about 1.5 million not 2 million -- Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 19:17, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Afghani Refugees and total population
On one hand, there are about 600,000 inhabitants of Quetta. However, this is found in the Culture section: Beside millions of Afghan immigrants, the local inhabitants are mainly Pashtuns.

Therefore, I think that this is a contradiction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.180.183.131 (talk) 02:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Reply: It is due to the fact that Afghani immigrants are never surmised into the National census. They are refugees not inhabitants. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.71.148.212 (talk) 09:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

The name
Here the transliteration is given as kwa tt ah. Does that mean it is کوېټه ? I'm out of my element here, just wondering. What are u wondering about? may be i can provide some elelments for you to stop wondering.User:Habib248ccm Khiradtalk 16:52, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

The Story of Uriah
The above poem was written in the late 1800's taking place in Quetta. Does anyone have a clue why Jack Barrett died? Is Septemeber a likely season to contract maleria or some other disease?-- Birgitte§β ʈ  Talk  14:05, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Quetta-infobox
Template:Quetta-infobox has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you.

It would be replaced with the generic Template:Pakistani Cities gren グレン 22:49, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Taliban?
I'm wondering whether the article should have at least a passing mention of the ongoing questions about Taliban presence in Quetta.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,450605,00.html

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.130.229.191 (talk • contribs).

I agree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chilicheez (talk • contribs) 04:20, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

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Quetta and Kasi (Pashtoon / Afghan)
Quetta and Kasi In the early seventeenth century, a Pashtun from North Pakistan called Khwaja Ni’mat Allah described the tribal structure and origin of Pashtun Society in this work, the Makbzan-I Afghani. Although it undoubtedly contains information on the ethnogenesis of the Pashtuns, this genealogy should not be read as a sound historical source that indicates how the Pashtuns came into being as a distinct ethnic group. Instead, it should be used as a source of information, from the seventeenth century or earlier, for the way in which the Pashtuns saw themselves as a group. Ni’mat Allah differentiates between four main groups of Pashtuns. These are the descendants of the three sons of the putative ancestor of al Pashtuns, Qays Abdul Al-Rashid Pathan, plus another, fourth group. The putative ancestor himself descended, according to traditional genealogies, from King Sarul (Saul), the Jewish king. The allegedly Jewish ancestry of the Pashtuns was a subject always hotly debated in Pashtun tea houses!

The three sons of Qays Abdul Al-Rashid pathan were named Sarban, Bitan and Ghurghusht (although there are many variants of these names). Most important of these, at least in the eyes of Ni’mat Allah, was Sarban. He was the eldest son. His descendants, via his son Sharkhbun, are mainly found in South Afghanistan, and via his other son Kharshbun, in the Peshawar Valley. Those in the west include the Abdalis, who since the mid-eighteenth century are called the Durranis. Those in the east include the Yousfzay, who lie north of Peshawar, and many other tribes in the same area.

Genealogy of Pathan tribes, from The Imperial Gazetteer of India, Vol. XIX, Pg 207 The relationship between the descendants of Sharkhbun and Kharshbun is of great interest. If Ni’mat Allah is correct, this would indicate historical connections. In this context the spread of another group, namely the offspring of a man called Kasi, is also important. Kasi was another descendant of Kharshbun, the son of Sarban. Kasi’s descendants include the Shinwaris, who nowadays live in the Jalalabad area west of Peshawar. But they also include two other tribes who live far to the south, in the Quetta region southeast of Qandahar, namely the Kasis themselves and the Ketrans. [1]

You can also download the Pata Khazana and see page number 10 which is about Kasi. Pata Khazana or the Hidden Treasure is a biography of Pashtoon poets from the earliest times to the time of Mohammad Hotak, the author. It was written in 1728-29 AD in Kandahar, Afghanistan. The earliest poet mentioned in Pata Khazana, Amir Krorr, died in 771 AD. [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.2.140.194 (talk) 17:09, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

you should better paste this all in here Kasi or Pushtun. This article, as obvious from the name is related to "quetta city" not the history or genoelogy of pushtuns or kasi.
 * so ? what do you what to tell us ?

Mohammad Adil (talk) 05:19, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Please only include the relelvent factual information.
This article is about Quetta. Its the city of all of us. In this article it seems that Quetta is only about pashtuns and no one else. Pashtuns are in majority if you consider afghan refugees otherwise Balochis are in majority in quetta. This article in notable people section included names of a lot of pashtun tribe leaders. Come on, what is this include only those who are nationally popular and them which originate from here not everyone from entire pashtun belt.

Late Hassam Qazi who was the most popular actor of Quetta Nationally, his name was no where before i included it. No mentioning of akbar bugti, whose second home was quetta. He was C.m and governor of this province. Nawab Shahwani who is the cheif of shahwani tribe he also deserves to be here. Because most of the parts of Quetta southren side belonged to shahwani tribe which are more than any other tribe. Even still they have a lot remaining on that side.

Balochistan as a province was not created for the first time in 1970. There used to be a british balochistan before partion. This error i have corrected and hope that you people will not disturb it. Brauhi is the most ancient language among all the languages in this region and Quetta just like Karachi was first inhabited by baloch tribes then our Pashtun brothers also settled here.

This article is for presenting information about this great city and not for ethnic battles. So please keep that in mind while doing any sort of edits. Correct me if I am wrong....

``Primeboy`` —Preceding unsigned comment added by Primeboy (talk • contribs) 17:21, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

@Primeboy Suffice it to say you are the one who instigated this ethnic quarrel and I can totally understand your insecurity. You should know that Quetta is a Pashtun city it's like a universal Truth anyone can tell by its name. You’re somehow suggesting that Quetta should be declared a Baloch city. Dude! it's like calling Peshawar a Baloch city. Get a life no ones gonna buy that. Late Hassam Qazi was half Pashtun and was married to a Pashtun woman. Even the fact is evident that Pashtun people here don’t understand Balochi but the Baloch can both understand and speak our language. You people always assert that the Pashtuns are in the majority because of the Afghan refugees which is preposterous. Just so you know the Afghan refugees comprise only 3% of the local Pashtun majority and most of them have even fled back. The northern Balochistan including Quetta was once part of Afghanistan no wonder its included in the New World Order Map that was leaked from the CIA. Don’t ever think you can mislead people from reality I will always be there to revert your false changes. One more thing Brohis and Balochis are totally different ethnicities and have totally different languages. If you are feeling so much insecure and disturbed by Pashtuns being the majority why not write about your own Baloch cities and towns we won’t vandalize those articles just as your trying so bad here or why not get a life.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.155.102.178 (talk) 13:37, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Unnecessary Deletion
Please avoide. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ali Mohammad Khilji (talk • contribs) 20:00, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Mountains arround Quetta
Zarghoon mount Koh-i-Zarghoon is also coming in the surroundings of Quetta like mount Chiltan,Koh-i-Chiltan mount Takatuo Koh-i-Takatu and mount Murdaar,Koh-i-Murdaar--[ [User: Baloch Baba] ] 13:56, 29 January 2011 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baloch Baba (talk • contribs)
 * Correct info Karim jan (talk) 08:56, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Vandalsim
The page is a persistent target of vandalism and illegal edits specifically by User:Karim jan. I urge the fair contributors to seriously look into this matter. The user claims that Quetta's real name is Shal a Balochi word which in fact was the city's old name Shal Kot and wasn't actually derived from Balochi. He further claims that all the Pashtun population migrated from Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion. The fact is that Northern Baluchistan including Quetta has historically been part of Afghanistan before the British takeover. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajmalahmedkhan (talk • contribs) 19:38, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You said "The fact is that Northern Baluchistan including Quetta has historically been part of Afghanisatn before the British takeover." So check this | link then claim such happenings. And, avoid future vandalism on this page. Karim jan (talk) 09:00, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Racism must not be allowed on Quetta page
Quetta city’s real inhabitants were Shahwaani (Baloch) and Kasi (Pashtun), and in late 19th century Hazara people from central Afghanistan begin migration to Shal due to killing of Hazaras by Afghan rulers (i.e Amir Abdur Rahman Khan). The real name of Quetta is Shal, which is aBalochi language word, and the main castle in the city, which now is a arsenal of Pakistan Army, was the seat of Baloch governor till the occupation of the city by the British troops. Baloch and Pashtun have lived brotherly in Shal without any problem, in fact Pashtuns ,in the past, called Shal as Shal-Kot (meaning: The Castle of Shal). But as the time went by political conditions changed and the Pakistani control of the city distorted everything. Also, from 1978 to 2000s hundreds of thousands of Pashtuns migrated to Shal, from Afghanistan as ecnomical conditions become harder for the people there. On this page editors must not feel affronted by historical facts, we must accept truth and bring facts to the readers. Thanks Karim jan (talk) 22:55, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Currently (officially, internationally, academically, etc..), it is known as Quetta. If it was once known as Shal, than it should be mentioned at the history section of this article. There is no reason to flood the intro and infobox with the word "Shal". You also have to find reliable sources to prove your Afghan refugee claims. If you cannot source them and wikipedians cannot verify your sources, than there is no reason to add those claims. (Ketabtoon (talk) 01:19, 23 June 2011 (UTC))

 * I haven’t written any editions without sources. Here you are wrong to say that “flood the intro and infobox with the word Shal". It should be written there as its real name is. If in the inbox there is Pashtun and Urdu wording for Shal/Quetta then why not Balochi and Brahui? Well everybody knows that nearly a million Afghan refugees live in Shal, but, well we have to give sources, and that will be soon posted on Shal/Quetta page.Karim jan (talk) 20:33, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

 * An Afghan refugees related link: | Afghanistan refugees V/s Baloch IDPs Karim jan (talk) 22:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * What Pakistanis think about Afghan refugees: | Pakistan Defence        Karim jan (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

 * There is very little information available regarding Shal. If the region was historically known by that name, it should be added to Quetta or Quetta sections of the article. Even the official website of Quetta fails to mention anything about Shal at their website.  (Ketabtoon (talk) 04:32, 24 June 2011 (UTC))
 * Read some books about the history of Balochistan you will find information regarding Shal. Mostly Government of Pakistan's websites do not write factual history regarding Balochistan they inherited British terminology due to political reasons. But here is a link, also from a semi-government site, regarding Shal: Check itKarim jan (talk) 08:28, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Pure BS. The Baloch have always been concentraded down south and have nothing to do with Quetta. The word "Kot" as you claim, is a Pashto word meaning fortress and has nothing to do with Balochis. Quetta has always been Pashtun dominated as it still is, the Baloch are less then 10% and most of them have migrated recently to the city for work as it being the capital. You may want to sit down and stop spreading propaganda, it won't do you know good.Akmal94 (talk) 08:16, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Further on Quetta people
Above I mentioned just two tribes who are know to be the actual populace of Shal/Quetta, there are other Baloch and Pashtun tribes that too belong to original inhabitants list. Those are: Qambarani, Baloch, whose land property is from present day Killi Qambarani to northern edge of Chiltan where Samungli area begins. Yasinzai, Pashtun, who came to Shal from Toba Kakari area in late 19th centaury. Langove, Baloch, one of the earliest tribes of Shal. Lehri, Baloch, the inhabitants of mountains just south of Shal. Jattak, Baloch, also an old tribe of Shal. Bazai, Pashtun, which trace it roots to Pashin valley, further north of Shal. And Sayyad, Arab origin, who settled in Kirani area of Shal during the times Mir Abdullah, father of Muhammad Nasir Khan I (The Great). Sayyads have matrimonial relations with both Baloch and Pashtun. Karim jan (talk) 20:52, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Markhor is a goat
Markhor is a Balochi and Tajiki word (in  Balochi it is also know as Koh-Pachin-e-Chiltan or Ibex of Mount Chiltan) , and is a wild goat not a wild sheep. Some editors are bent on to defend the concept, by defying scientific research, that Markhor is a sheep. Strange that people have ignored this fact on Shal/Quetta page for so long. Open your eyes and above all minds! Check Wikipedia’s own link regarding Markhor Karim jan (talk) 08:50, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Wrong! Markhor is a Farsi/Persian word meaning snake eater.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markhor

Stop relating everything to Baloch. You're not even a real Baloch you are Bruhi speaking with no true identity of your own. Pity!

I am not ralating everything to Baloch! In fact, I mean Markhor is also called Koh Pachen of Chiltan, and yes it also means Snake(Mar) Eater(Khor) in Balochi and Brahui too. Though in Brahui Snake is called Doosha but Brahui speakers call this animal Markhor. So, tell us who are you?

Shal is Quetta
The ancient name of Quetta was Shalkot, a term by which it is still known among the people of the country, the District was held in turns by the Ghaznavids, Ghurids, and Mongols, and towards the end of the fifteenth century was conferred by the ruler of Herat on Shah Beg Arghun, who, however, had shortly to give way before the rising power of the Mughals. The Ain-e-Akbari mentions both Shal and Pishin as supplying military service and revenue to Akbar, however these areas passed with Kandahar to the Safavids. On the rise of the Ghilzai power in Kandahar at the beginning of the eighteenth century, simultaneously with that of the Brahuis in Kalat, Quetta and Pishin became the battle-ground between Afghan and Brahui, until Nadir Shah handed Quetta over to the Brahuis about 1740. The Durranis and their successors continued to hold possession of Pishin and Shorarud till the final transfer of these places to the British in 1879. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.183.211.212 (talk) 10:46, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

The word Quetta
The word quetta in wikipedia is described as it derived from the word kuwatta of balochi language. which is a mistake, the same word belongs to pashto language basically as it is the most common language spoken in the city. The word quetta is basically derived from the word kwatta of pashto language which means the same as it is mentioned in wikipedia's search for quetta. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.183.221.66 (talk) 11:50, 12 December 2011 (UTC) Kot means fortress not only in pushto but aslo but in all regional langueges includeing Balochi.So how can you say that it is derived from Pushto word.You should also mention that Kot is a Balochi word as well with same meaning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.183.155.93 (talk) 09:20, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Kot is a Pashto word. Other languages in the area could have adopted the term since Pashto is the national language of the city. Akmal94 (talk) 12:10, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Quetta Shura
Why has there been no mention of the Quetta Shurra, which is one of the most hotly-debated issues in the Afghan War? 14.192.208.205 (talk) 15:48, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Indian Staff College
I feel it is worth mentioning that Quetta was the location of the Indian Staff College, where Montgomery of Alamein was Chief Instructor from 1935-37. He had been forecasting a Second World War for years, but calculated that he would be too old for it. So he believed that his contribution to the next big combat would be to instruct the new fast-track officers to the best of his ability. Unusually, he made close friends with these new men, including Harding, and they defended his record when he was in danger of the chop in '39, when many other top brass were longing for an excuse to get rid of him. Valetude (talk) 23:27, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2015
Hi. The second paragraph mentions Pakistan and Afghanistan and Quetta being an important link between 3 countries: ("Located in northern Balochistan near the Pakistan-Afghanistan border, Quetta is a trade and communication centre between the three countries.") If I'm reading the paragraph correctly, instead of "three countries" it should read "two countries". Thank you.

99.108.249.40 (talk) 06:45, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done It was changed from "two" to "three" by blocked user . Stickee (talk) 11:30, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

External links modified
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 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20140203121707/http://www.dawn.com/2008/01/29/nat4.htm to http://www.dawn.com/2008/01/29/nat4.htm

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Quetta Shura addition under WP:NPOV and WP:TE attack. Need resolution.
Are there any plans to include this group as a main section? My understanding is Quetta is home to the Quetta Shura; a militant organization composed of top leadership of the Afghan Taliban since 2001. The city and surrounding greater Quetta area have been a hot spot of Taliban related activity for both the Pakistan and United States' government for years. Not including this information appears to go against Wikipedia's WP:NPOV. As a neutral online encyclopedia our responsibility as editors is provide ALL relevant information; not suppress or censor it. As an active editor I have to wonder why this information hasn't been added yet. It's historical, factual, and very significant to Quetta. 14.192.208.205 asked about this on 24 February 2013 and nothing has happened since. If there are no objections I would like to start authoring the section. - Gorba (talk) 20:43, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I have decided by add a quick note under the Demographic section. Gorba (talk) 07:38, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Let me make this point clear: Nobody should be removing this quick note under the Demographics section. This Pakistani area is well documented by numerous sources (one of which I referenced) to be the official hub of the Afghan Taliban. It's dubbed the "Quetta Shura" for that reason. When new information becomes available feel free to change this, but until then do not remove the note. - Gorba (talk) 20:26, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm putting out an official call to discuss the following addition to the Demographics' section: "Demographically Quetta is the primary home of the Quetta Shura; a militant organization composed of top leadership of the Afghan Taliban since 2001. " The Changelog shows someone at 182.183.160.24 removed my addition. I did a traceroute on this IP and it came back as Quetta, Balochistan, Pakistan. This is Tendentious Editing (WP:TE) because the manner of editing is partisan and biased by a citizen living in Quetta. The removal of my entry does not conform to the neutral point of view. The person removing this did so from an IP address. I am a long-time Autoconfirmed editor. Based on this I am adding the addition back. Further, I am calling for a discussion on this topic to understand the point of contention. I also would like to avoid turning this into a edit war. Before removing my addition let's talk so that we can come to a mutual understanding and consensus. I welcome anyone's comments on this. Thank you. -- Gorba (talk) 02:20, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I have added "Quetta Shura" back under the Demographics heading with the understanding that semi-protection should prevent the IPs from Quetta, Balochistan, Pakistan from consistently making WP:TE removals of that information. - Gorba (talk) 00:48, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Smsarmad! First, I wanted to say thank you for your abundant contributes to Wikipedia! It is very impressive. I have a question regarding your recent removal of my addition to the Demographics section. I cite the "Council on Foreign Relations" as one reputable source, but there are many others. Could you please provide justification for the removal other than a vague "(rv; source does not say so)"? You have not provided those sources in the Talk section nor the Changelog. I have cited Neutral Point of View (WP:NPOV) and Tendentious Editing (WP:TE) as the reason for bringing back my additions. More specifically under Tendentious Editing (WP:TE) the following are being violated against myself (a registered and auto-confirmed editor): In other words, I have brought this point up more than a few times, and no one, neither the anonymous IPs nor registered editors, is willing to discuss why the addition is irrelevant? I have, In good faith, added this information to the Demographics section of the article since it is very relevant to the regional demographics of the Quetta region. I welcome any feedback and sources to say otherwise. However, provided none, I will again add it back. I am looking for resolution on this and ask that you assist me. - Gorba (talk) 22:30, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * One who disputes the reliability of apparently good sources
 * One who deletes the pertinently cited additions of others
 * One who ignores or refuses to answer good faith questions from other editors

Demographic number and percentages are their in the reference. Rest need Citation needed tag
A mobile IP is edit warring with a number of users resulting in Ethnicity based removal of Census data. Same happening in Mianwali District. Administrative action requested. ¬¬¬¬ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.32.33.213 (talk) 04:44, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I know you very well, sockpuppet of user:LanguageXpert, but remember that I will not let you vandalize wikipedia articles,You should provide reliable source otherwise your nonfactual content will be removed.

Languages
Everyone knows that pashtun people makes the majority in Quetta City... the numbers mentioned are completely wrong. Fruthermore, always pashtun parties win and elect people for the post of mayor of Quetta etc... http://www.eurasiareview.com/10092017-pakistan-census-complexities-analysis/ https://tigerkhan007.blogspot.com/ http://worldpopulationreview.com/wor...hi-population/ http://real-politique.blogspot.com/2011/12/are-balochis-becoming-minority-in.html https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pashtun-baloch-tensions.258934/ http://quetta.onepakistan.com.pk/wiki/?id=demographics The Politics of Ethnicity in Pakistan: The Baloch, Sindhi and Mohajir Ethnic Movements by Farhan Hanif Siddiqui (Page 72-73) http://quetta.local.pk/wiki/?id=demographics The Pashtun Question: the unresolved key to the future of pakistan & Afghanistan by Abubakar Siddique (Pages 22, 72 & 223) http://www.indrastra.com/2015/11/IM-Crowded-Out-Conflict-at-Balochistan-0435.html?m=1

Yet this pages states that pashtuns are less than 40%.. what a Joke. Pashtuns are around 75% of the cities population. 39.40.9.175 (talk) 05:28, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

 * could you please add reliable sources to the languages you reverted now? If you can't then please don't revert it.--2.89.242.201 (talk) 11:54, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Please open your eyes and look carefully, there is a reliable source in there. Stop this battleground behavior, this is an encyclopedia. If you want to promote your Pashtun nationalism then there are other better places to do so, try Twitter or Facebook or something else for that matter.  Sh eri ff  |  ☎ 911  | 13:40, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * No one want to promote Pashtun nationalism, I want to stop people like user:LanguageXpert, who always want to impose persnal nationalist agenda.You provided references for languages in article Khyber Pakhtunkhwa , so it is kept because you provided reliable sources, but here in quetta article the same person (languageXpert) is trying to Impose his persnal thoughts.I hope you'll understand.
 * Regarding the recent edit-war which you are fighting, you claimed that parent company of Lonely Planet is BBC which is not true. Even if we accept that Lonely Planet is a reliable source which i do not think it is, still why are you removing other sourced information which is sourced to a scholarly source. A source do not need to be accessible to be reliable and acceptable. Here are some more questions about your edit?

 * Why are you adding that misplaced image on top of everything in the article?
 * Why are you adding bad grammar under British Raj section?
 * Why are you adding unsourced "English language is used officially in Public Offices and educational institutes."
 * Why are you adding Brahui and Hazargi language which is not supported even by Lonely Planet?
 * Why are you adding more unsourced stuff under "Restaurants" section?
 * Why are you adding "Robert Wirsing" source which is currently not supporting any information in the article, by the way that source and its supported information was added by me, you removed the content which was being supported by that source, now what is your problem if that source gets removed?
 * Why do you have to revert all my changes whether good or bad?
 *  Sh eri ff  |  ☎ 911  | 17:11, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

 * I addressed you when you were edit-warring using an IP address and raised all the points in disputed edit. You never answered but continued with your edit-warring by logging in after -san protected the page. Can you please address the points raised above? There was a link provided by but you keep claiming fake  and broken link, there is no fake and broken link. The information is there in the book and i quote it here for you "According to the 1998 census, Baloch speakers made up a slight plurality of Quetta residents at nearly 25 percent (see figure 3.4), followed by Pashto speakers (23.7 percent), and Punjabi/Saraiki speakers (21.7 percent)."

 * I request you to fully protect the page after reverting Puffmuffin's latest revert as he is not engaging in the discussion despite my repeated attempts. This demographics war have been going on different Pakistan pages for a long time before i stepped in to resolve the matter by providing credible sources but my attempts have been seen with suspicion as sourced information is not favorable to editors with certain nationalistic POV.  Sh eri ff  |  ☎ 911  | 18:32, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Pinging to look at the article and current dispute as Puffmuffin is refusing to engage in a discussion and continuing with his reverts.  Sh eri ff  |  ☎ 911  | 16:24, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Pinging wide range of editors (including the ones with whom I had disputes with in the past) so there is no claim of canvassing any one of them can review and verify the credibility of source and the edit overall including Mike Rosoft and Yamaguchi pinged above:

 Sh eri ff  |  ☎ 911  | 16:36, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * your text and source look good to me. I would only suggest adding something about the 1998 census in the text because at the moment the text and the table are contradictory, and nothing has been said about the contradiction. About the text you reverted, I agree that the claim of 70% Pushtoon majority is not credible. The other two sources are broken and don't meet the requirements of WP:RS. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:21, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

 * : So many discussions have already been made on this topic. What more do you want to discuss. You think everyone is so naive that no one would know your true intentions. You are deliberately replacing valid sourced information with dead and fake sourced edits to mislead and misinform readers. How on earth can two completely different languages be same? Tell me?You weren't satisfied with Lonely Planet now you removed two more of my references. Why? You even abused me in Pashto language using Roman characters so that the moderators won't notice. Why. All of the three sources including Lonely Planet clearly indicate that Pashtun in Quetta are in majority. This clearly shows that you bear ill will towards a particular ethnicity.
 * If you have to protect the page please first investigate the intentions of User:SheriffIsInTown
 * I dont see much issue with the sources provided by Sheriff either. What I dont understand is that why would you removed sourced info which was no under dispute at the first place to you add/remove info of your liking? I guess, I'll see to this in depth and decide then, however, currently I dont agree with Puff's reverts. Thanks—  Trip Wire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡  ʞlɐʇ 19:01, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The table chart is contradictory how can two different languages be samePuffmuffin (talk) 19:09, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Corrected it per the given source. And yes, two different languages can be same, please read the source.—  Trip Wire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡  ʞlɐʇ 19:30, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Dude, did you even read the changes I made? Did you even go through the sources I provided by giving its exact Page Number from where the info has been sourced? I think, this will be settled at the ANI where you were correctly reported. Earlier, I thought that you were unable to understand the info from the source, but now I am more convinced that you are not here to build WP, but to edit-war. Again, I think you did not bother to read the change I had made to your edit (it was not just a Revert!!). Please see, following is the change I had made, per source, which also is not contradictory now:
 * :The city has a slight Balochi speakers plurality followed by Pushtu speakers, and Punajbi/Saraiki speakers. However, other credible sources also showed a modest Pasthun plurality during the same year."
 * But you did not bother to read, did ya?!—  Trip Wire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡  ʞlɐʇ 20:32, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

I know who uses that "dude". You're the same User:SheriffIsInTown with another one of your ID. Your the same person using multiple IDs. Why did you remove the three sources I added. Did you or you alter ego go bother to go through those? Why do you not even accept any of the three sources I provided? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Puffmuffin (talk • contribs) 20:38, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * —  Trip Wire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡  ʞlɐʇ 20:41, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Bro, you might have misunderstood the source. When the source talks about Pashtuns being in plurality, it talks about the ethnicity and not Pashto language. A Pashtun can have Urdu as their primary language not necessarily Pashto thus it explains the contradiction.
 * Your responses are more focused on targeting the editors instead of giving the explanation about why you are disputing the content. I will also like to clear your conception about me having ill will towards Pashto. I have no ill will towards Pashto and i can swear to that fact if i have to. I actually love Pashto music and Pashto language very much even though i do not understand a word of it. Its one of the sweetest languages on Earth and Pashto music is one of the most beautiful folk music on Earth but my love for Pashto music and Pashto language is not blind to the level that i should start putting wrong and exaggerated information on Wikipedia. Yes, there are many areas in Pakistan where Pashto speakers are in majority but Quetta city is not one of them, at least that's what any reliable sources say about that. I would also suggest that you accept the consensus which has developed above and stop disruptive editing.  Sh eri ff  |  ☎ 911  | 16:14, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * @Sheriff, I stand corrected. You were right.—  Trip Wire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡  ʞlɐʇ 19:37, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Language and ethnicity are two different things. In Quetta, Pashtuns make up the big majority of ethnic population there as the city lies in the traditonal northern areas where the large majority of Pashtuns live. Pashto is also the majority language spoken there with Urdu being second. Balochi doesn't even top the list. Akmal94 (talk) 10:22, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

 * I agree with you on Balochi. which is as per sources spoken by only five percent population that too mainly in Sariab town area. Pashtun Punjabi Brahui and Hazargi are spoken almost in equal proportion through out city. But problem in language table is that It has merged 20% Brahui with 5% Balochi to make 25% ethnic Baloch making top of the table. But in reality Brahui is a Dravidian while Balochi is an IndoIranian language. Both are totally different languages. example. what is your name. BALOCHI To naam chayint BRAHUI Na pin antay ? Table needs correction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.50.80.97 (talk) 16:59, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Population is not "two million"
Some users, for obvious nationalistic reasons, are trying to put a figure of 2 million as population of Quetta, without citing a reference in support. The currently reference shows a much lower population. So watchers of this page are requested to keep an eye and fix the number vandalism. Thanks, Khestwol (talk) 14:03, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

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The Balochi and Hazaragi names shown are identical
Two of the listed names Balochi and Hazaragi are identical:

 * کویته = کـ ـو ـیـ ـتـ ـه = ک و ی ت ه
 * = کـ ـو ـیـ ـتـ ـه = ک و ی ت ه

Is there a reason to include both? If you want to represent that both groups are present then maybe this could be done better with a lisy of local languages or local demographics? If they are said differently, that needs to be indicated somehow, with diacritics on the Arabic letters or transliteration or IPA. Irtapil (talk) 10:16, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Claims of a dynasty
Please Zakaria1978, provide sources that can support your claim. Instead of providing fictitious references where almost nothing about the info given is provided. Casperti (talk) 21:17, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Casperti, I noticed that you removed sourced information from the article that was easily verifiable; this behaviour has been carried into other articles too, it seems and is disruptive to the project. Might I know your reason for doing this? User:Zakaria1978, your contributions are appreciated here on Wikipedia, but I would advise you to use a citation template when adding information to the article in the future; I would also recommend using the "quote" parameter in the reference, as I have done. This makes it difficult for individuals who wish to remove well-referenced information from an article, because with the quote parameter, the information is verifiable. As such, I have added additional references to the article in this format to buttress the content you added. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 18:10, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

 * Keep the Personal attacks out, we both know that the account is on POV rampage posting the exact same info to multiple wiki pages, to be on topic: You (Anupam) have not mentioned any sources where Quetta is mentioned. I am not talking about Sibi and Kalat, where your references refer to. For now it just another "mispresenting reliable sources read: WP:DISRUPT and WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. If you are right then who am I to correct you? Please provide an exact source that the Sewa dynasty had modern-day Quetta within its empire. Casperti (talk) 23:41, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

 * Thank you for your reply User:Casperti. I had a look at the references and rewrote the paragraph in accordance with what the sources state. Source number 10 makes reference to the former Quetta Division, out of which the Sibi Division was created. I do think though, that the information, in general, would be appropriate for the Balochistan article, rather than this city specifically. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 00:04, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

 * Thanks User:Anupam for the fast reply. Exactly, this is what I am saying the whole time: the Sewa dynasty was not active/ruling over Quetta city. So why should we post this information on Quetta? That is almost ridiculous. Zakaria's argument that the 19th & 20th century British created Quetta division included Sibi so, therefore, we should place Quetta under the Sewa dynasty is just... So, in short, there was no Sewa dynasty in Quetta city so why placing it under its history, that is just mispresenting a reference in an article. But your proposal on placing the information on the Balochistan page rather than this city is very good idea. We can place it under every main Balochistan article but also on Sibi and Kalat based articles. Casperti (talk) 21:03, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You're welcome User:Casperti and my apologies for the tone of my initial comment to you. I'll go ahead and move the information to the articles on Balochistan and the History of Balochistan. I have no objections if you remove the paragraph from here, unless User:Zakaria1978 can substantiate the claim that the Sewa Dynasty ruled over what is now Quetta. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 02:13, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No Problem User:Anupam, I saw you have already done the changes Thanks for that. If you need help with adding it to other Balochistan articles, let me know, I will do it. Thank you. Cheers Casperti (talk) 18:29, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Shalkot, Kwatta, Quetta
Shaalkot is the old name of Quetta. Quetta is derived from Kwatta. Is Shalkot also the common name for Quetta or is it Quettawal? Or does it differ by language, but the common name is Quetta? Any Pashto or Baluchi speaker here?

https://twitter.com/jam_kamal/status/1403040660115144710? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pratham12Chawdhry (talk • contribs) 10:35, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 18 November 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Very clear consensus that the city is the primary topic. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 17:51, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Quetta → Quetta, Pakistan – The SI prefix for 10^30 has been confirmed to be quetta-. Georgia guy (talk) 16:24, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Quetta as a prefix was only created in 2022 and does not even have its own article. It is already covered by the hatnote to this article which links to Quetta (disambiguation) which links through to Metric prefix. Even if an article is created, as a neologism it clearly is not the common use in English, and will not be for very many years to come. - Arjayay (talk) 16:46, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The reason it doesn't have its own article is merely because Flotillœ hasn't yet gone far enough in updating Wikipedia's articles about SI prefixes. Georgia guy (talk) 16:51, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I repeat my point above "Even if an article is created, as a neologism it clearly is not the common use in English, and will not be for very many years to come." - Arjayay (talk) 21:38, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The city is the primary topic. Srnec (talk) 21:30, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. No valid reason for complicating the title has been provided. Ghirla-трёп- 12:11, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose, city is PRIMARY so far.--Ortizesp (talk) 21:47, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose bruh this is a city with over a million people in it Red   Slash  16:36, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, the hyphen seems to be enough WP:SMALLDETAILS to distinguish between the prefix and the city. See also other prefixes kilo- vs. kilo and micro- vs. micro, mega- vs. mega, nano- vs. nano, and tera- vs. tera, each pair not pointing to the same place. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 19:52, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Very clear primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:26, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

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Shambhala Buddhism
Dear Mark, I'm curious as to why you changed "dharma heir" to "Shambhala heir" Sylvain1972 02:33, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Sylvain, because that's more accurate. Chogyam Trungpa made a clear distinction between the Buddhist and Shambhala lineages, as evident in language, forms of address, etc. The Vajra Regent Osel Tendzin was the Dharma heir; the (then) Sawang Osel Mukpo was the Shambhala heir: both empowerments were explicitly sealed with appropriate ceremonies, in 1976 and 1979 respectively. Cf also Chogyam Trungpa's will at . Beyond this, "the Shambhala vision does not distinguish a Buddhist from a Catholic, a Protestant, a Jew, a Moslem, a Hindu." (from Great Eastern Sun, The Wisdom of Shambhala, p 133). Elsewhere he says of a Shambhala practice: "It is a self-contained practice. It is not particularly borrowed from buddhism, but it is simply self-existent in the Shambhala style." The secular but sacred character of Shambhala was important to Trungpa, what he felt the world needed now, and this was what the Shambhala lineage was meant to transmit. That Shambhala Buddhism is expressing something somewhat different does not alter this distinction, which I think is important to recognize. -szpak 03:47, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

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Addition of self-published books
Dowman's Dzogchen Now is CreateSpace, I believe. We don't list author's self-published works. Skyerise (talk) 20:19, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

 * Who's "we" in "we don't list author's self-published works"? This book, by a translator who has translated many Dzogchen texts, is available on Amazon and elsewhere, and is used in study and practice groups on Longchenpa. szpak (talk) 20:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

 * We is Wikipedia. It violates two policies, WP:SPS and WP:PROMO. Self-published works are not considered to be reliable sources. There is a reason Dowman's previous publishers stopped publishing his works: their editorial boards decided he had strayed in his interpretation too far from the authentic traditional teachings. Another translator who now self-publishes has a different story: his translations were inferior. Wikipedia policy prohibits the promotion of or use of books as sources which were not vetted by an independent editorial process for exactly these types of reasons: editors provide quality control, something that self-publishing allows writers to bypass. Skyerise (talk) 20:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't see how WP:PROMO applies here in any way. Please be specific.
 * Re what you state about Dowman's publishers' editorial boards saying he had "strayed in his interpretation too far from the authentic traditional teachings", is it really Wikipedia's job to take sides in interpretation of philosophical or religious topics? I am involved with long-term study & practice of Longchenpa with several groups, and we use multiple translations, including Dowman's, along with the Tibetan (so we can check how key terms are being translated). szpak (talk) 21:05, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is Wikipedia's job to present only quality sources. We don't have to judge the source itself, we simply require that sources and listed recommendations are published by independent publishers who themselves fulfill that function. Our policies do not allow the use of self-published works published through Amazon Creative Services, CreateSpace, Lulu.com, or vanity presses. That's where we draw the line: if an author cannot find or chooses not to find an independent publisher, they fail one of the guidelines that we use to ensure reliability of sources. And WP:PROMO applies because its a publisher's job to promote a book. If the book does not meet our independent publishing guidelines, listing it in a Wikipedia article is considered promoting it. Your statements about study groups simply indicates that you may have a conflict of interest and should review our policies on editing when you may have such a conflict. None of what you say about your study group obliges Wikipedia to list the books that you use. Skyerise (talk) 21:25, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

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The Seventh Sign (album)

The Seventh Sign is the seventh studio album by Swedish guitarist Yngwie Malmsteen, released on 9 May 1994.

Reception and legacy
The Seventh Sign reached No. 11 on the Swedish albums chart and No. 47 on the Swiss albums chart, both in 1994. In July 2014, Guitar World magazine placed the album at No. 46 on their "Superunknown: 50 Iconic Albums That Defined 1994" list.

Steve Huey at AllMusic gave The Seventh Sign three stars out of five, saying that Malmsteen's extensive use of a wah pedal in the style of Jimi Hendrix makes the album "necessary for Malmsteen fans, even though his more neo-classical work (solos, instrumentals, etc.) seems less inspired here." He also heavily criticised the power ballad "Prisoner of Your Love", calling it "downright embarrassing."

Personnel

 * Yngwie Malmsteen – vocals ("Angel in Heat"), guitar, bass, sitar, producer
 * Michael Vescera – vocals
 * Mats Olausson – keyboard, Hammond organ
 * Mike Terrana – drums, triangle
 * Jim Thomas – engineering
 * Jeff Glixman – engineering
 * Mike Fraser – mixing
 * Keith Rose – mixing assistance

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Les Jolies Eaux

Les Jolies Eaux is a former royal residence on a headland on the 1250 acre island of Mustique, St Vincent and the Grenadines. The villa is in a protected landscape, encompassed by the Caribbean seascape.

The native French name means 'Beautiful Waters' and sits on 10 acre, given as a wedding present to Princess Margaret in 1959 by Colin Tennant, later Lord Glenconner. The main house, completed in 1972, was designed by the princess's uncle-in-law Oliver Messel in a theatrical neo-Georgian style. Messel incorporated natural elements of the island in his design. It has an open plan with five bedrooms and a drawing room. There are also two lodges, and 10 acre of land. This estate was the only property the princess ever owned and she visited regularly, with a range of aristocratic and Hollywood friends.

The house was given to her son David in 1996 as a wedding gift. He subsequently placed it on the market; it sold in 1999 for a reported 2 million dollars. Like most of the villas on Mustique it is now available for weekly rentals; tariffs range from $33,000 to $47,000 per week (as of 2024), depending on the season.

Les Jolies Eaux has been referenced in 20th and 21st century media including Netflix's The Crown and BBC Two's series Princess Margaret: The Rebel Royal.

Early history
Les Jolies Eaux is a villa situated at the southern tip of Mustique Island. The villa's name is a French term which translates to ‘beautiful waters’. This name was coined by locals as a result of the prime geological location of the property which overlooks the Caribbean Sea and the Atlantic. Mustique is located 18 miles south of St Vincent and sits in the northerly region of the Grenadines, placing the villa in the Caribbean province. The Les Jolies Eaux villa takes up a small proportion of Mustique, measuring up to approximately 10 acres of land.

The estate was given to the princess in 1959 by Colin Tennant, a British aristocrat and socialite, who had purchased the land in 1959 for around $120,000. The land was a wedding gift, to commemorate her marriage to Lord Snowdon. Tennant reportedly asked Princess Margaret whether she would prefer a ‘wrapped gift’ or land on Mustique. He showed Princess Margaret a map of Mustique and pointed out the available piece of headland. Margaret had visited the spot when picnicking at Les Jolies Eaux with Lord Snowdon during their honeymoon in May 1960.

Early ownership
Tennant gave the land in a relatively undeveloped state, although he undertook to clear out ‘the wall of undergrowth which blocked any sight of the sea’. The Les Jolies Eaux headland was formerly a sugar plantation, dating back to the 19th century. It had been neglected over time, resulting in excessive amounts of overgrowth and soil erosion. Princess Margaret stated, ‘this is my house’ and this island is ‘the only square inch in the world I own’. It was this transition of ownership from Lord Glenconner to Princess Margaret which altered the architectural, aesthetic and historical landscape of the Les Jolies Eaux villa.

The development of the estate was undertaken by the princess. Eight years after receiving the gift, she began construction. Tennant, who acted as her lead architect, suggested Oliver Messel – uncle of Lord Snowdon and a leading set designer in Britain – to design the villa.

Oliver Messel
Messel was a permanent resident of the Caribbean – due to health issues prohibiting him from travelling – allowing him to oversee the project, and had already designed a number of other cottages and villas in Barbados. Princess Margaret wanted the villa to complement and blend into the "magnificent views". Messel designed a villa with a close attention to detail, synthesising traditional Caribbean architecture with 18th-century European influences.

Design
Les Jolies Eaux is a single-story stone villa with accommodation for ten guests. Messel incorporated English Baroque elements including the convex courtyard. The villa was designed around the pre-existing flora and Messel ensured that the decades-old cedar trees would encompass the villa, acting as a barrier against media intrusion. Messel took advantage of the panoramic views of the Atlantic and Caribbean Sea by installing glass-panelled internal doors and windows to blend the interior and exterior environment. The design features large stained glass windows. Other than the living room, the four bedrooms and the kitchen integrated this Neo-Georgian style as they were organized to be separated into two corresponding wings, aligned on either side of the axis of the house. Down through the terrace, Messel cultivated a garden full of calla lilies, oleanders, hibiscus and bougainvillea. Adjacent to the lawn, laid a pool, which allowed swimmers to be at eye-level with the horizon of the Caribbean Sea.

Messel also had to take into account the tropical weather conditions. The roof was designed to be structurally sound against storms and to allow for rainwater catchments. The flooring consists of decorative Caribbean ceramic tiles, in contrast with bamboo furniture pieces the princess imported from London. These combinations of styles were a deliberate artistic choice of Messel to create the Caribbean Messel architecture. In 2003, Tennant stated that the ‘house had considerable charm’, noting Messel's influence, "Oliver had instilled the essence of the West Indies in a little cottage. It gave Princess Margaret the greatest possible pleasure not to be reminded of the grandeur of what she was". The Princess was also involved in the interior design, choosing furnishings and decorations including Annigoni's portrait of her sister, the queen, which hung in the center of the house.

Residents and guests
Princess Margaret visited the villa frequently, beginning her affair with Roddy Llewellyn there. She had met Llewellyn through the Tennants (the Glenconners). In 1976, paparazzi captured images of the pair, creating a media scandal. Anne Tennant voiced her concerns to biographers about introducing the pair to each other after the affair was publicized stating, "heavens, what have I done?". The affair contributed to the, generally poor, press coverage the princess received. John Pearson noted in his biography of the royal family that many in Britain decried the expense of the princess's holidays, which saw her described as a "royal parasite".

Later history
In 1996 Princess Margaret gave the property to her son, David Linley, as a wedding gift, and perhaps partly to minimise death duties. Linley subsequently sold the villa in 1999 for £2.4 million, reportedly to the distress of his mother. The estate was sold to an American couple, with Irish links, who simplified the interior design, introducing Irish cultural elements. The villa is available to rent.

Media appearances
Les Jolies Eaux has been referenced in a number of television shows including in the third and fourth series of the Netflix's The Crown. The set production designer, Martin Childs, consulted the archives of Oliver Messel to accurately represent the interior design of Princess Margaret's estate and sought a similar structure for exterior shots, eventually settling on a villa in southern Spain. Les Jolies Eaux was also featured in the second episode of the BBC documentary series, Princess Margaret: The Rebel Royal.

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Decorticator

A decorticator (from Latin: cortex, bark) is a machine for stripping the skin, bark, or rind off nuts, wood, plant stalks, grain, etc., in preparation for further processing.

History
In 1933, a farmer named Bernagozzi from Bologna manufactured a machine called a "scavezzatrice", a decorticator for hemp. A working hemp decorticator from 1890, manufactured in Germany, is preserved in a museum in Bologna.

In Italy, the"scavezzatrice" faded in the 1950s because of monopolisation from fossil fuel, paper interests, synthetic materials and from other less profitable crops.

Many types of decorticators have been developed since 1890.

In 1919, George Schlichten received a U.S. patent on his improvements of the decorticator for treating fiber bearing plants. Schlichten failed to find investors for production of his decorticator and died in 1923, a broken man. His business was revived a decade after death in 1933.

Newer, high-speed kinematic decorticators, use a different mechanism, enabling separation into three streams; bast fibre, hurd, and green microfiber.

Current usage
In some decorticators, the operation is "semi-automatic", featuring several stops during operation, while more modern systems, such as high-speed kinematic decorticators, are fully automatic.

There are companies who produce and sell decorticators for different crops.

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Sidney Franklin

Sidney Franklin may refer to:

 * Sidney Franklin (bullfighter) (1903–1976), American bullfighter
 * Sidney Franklin (director) (1893–1972), American film director and producer
 * Sidney Franklin (actor) (1870–1931), American stage and screen actor

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Paracinema

Paracinema is an academic term to refer to a wide variety of film genres out of the mainstream, bearing the same relationship to 'legitimate' film as paraliterature like comic books and pulp fiction bears to literature.

Definition
In terms of taste and attitude in cinema practice, paracinema is similar to camp, and both are conceptually linked to trash and kitsch in the world of cult cinema. The term was first defined by cultural historian Jeffrey Sconce, who described paracinema as 'an extremely elastic textual category'.

In addition to art film, horror, and science fiction films, "paracinema" catalogues "include entries from such seemingly disparate genres" as badfilm, splatterpunk, mondo films, sword-and-sandal epics, Elvis flicks, government hygiene films, Japanese monster movies, beach party musicals, and "just about every other historical manifestation of exploitation cinema from juvenile delinquency documentaries to ... pornography.

Paracinema denotes an opposition to mainstream that, unlike other cult genres, specifically attacks the "reigning notions of 'quality'." Sconce also referred to paracinema as a particular film reading strategy aimed at performing a cultural leveling between the praised high culture and discarded low culture.

Structure
The term "paracinema" is also used in the context of avant-garde or experimental film studies to denote works identified by their makers as films but that lack one or more material/mechanical elements of the film medium. Such works began to appear in the 1960s in the wake of Conceptual art's rejection of standard artistic media like painting and embrace of much more ephemeral, transient materials and forms (including concepts themselves, independent of realization in any concrete material form). In exploring the fundamental nature and purpose of their medium, experimental filmmakers in the 1960s and 1970s began to question the necessity of film technology for the creation of cinema, and began making works without film that were nonetheless still considered part of the avant-garde film tradition.

Such works include Ken Jacobs's "Nervous System" works and live shadowplays, the latter made with no film, camera, or projectors, only shadows cast by flickering lights onto a screen. Anthony McCall's "solid light" films, such as Line Describing a Cone (1973) and Long Film for Ambient Light (1975), are other examples; Long Film for Ambient Light, despite its title, employed no film at all. It consisted simply of an empty artists' space lit over a 24-hour period by sunlight during the day and electric light at night. Tony Conrad's Yellow Movies (1972–1975), rectangular pieces of paper coated with house paint and allowed to turn yellow from exposure over many years, are yet another example of film makers' investigation of the fundamental properties and effects of cinema outside the physical boundaries of the film medium. In many cases, "paracinematic" works came out of a sense among radical filmmakers that the film medium posed overly restrictive and unnecessary constraints (e.g. material and economic limitations) on their search for new kinds of cinematic experience. "Cinema", in this context, is understood as a much more varied art form than among most other kinds of filmmakers, who assume that "film" cannot be disconnected from the film medium.

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Eastwell Park

Eastwell Park is a large area of parkland and a country estate in the civil parish of Eastwell, adjoining Ashford, Kent, in England. It was owned by the Earls of Winchilsea for more than three centuries. Over time, successive buildings have served as homes to Sir Thomas Moyle, the Earls of Winchilsea and Nottingham, Prince Alfred, Duke of Edinburgh, and others.

The estate is now mainly a farming concern, raising crops and sheep. It has a large shallow lake that can be fished and distinct Eastwell Towers. The largest building is Eastwell Manor, a stately home that was rebuilt on a smaller scale during the 1920s using the material from the previous larger house, it is now operated as a country house hotel. Hence the Manor and Towers are only Grade II listed.

Eastwell Manor
The original country house at Eastwell was built for Sir Thomas Moyle between 1540 and 1550. One of the men employed on the estate was the bricklayer Richard Plantagenet, who was suspected to be an illegitimate son of Richard III. The daughter and heiress of Sir Thomas Moyle of Eastwell, Catherine Moyle eventually married Sir Thomas Finch, their eldest son was both the ancestor of Earls of Winchilsea and Nottingham and Earls of Aylesford. Sir James Thornhill painted the staircase ceiling and the end of the Great Hall at Eastwell Park in 1699–1716 for the 4th and 5th Earl of Winchilsea, the hall was painted to depict the Judgement of Paris and the toilet of Venus.

The park at Eastwell used to comprise about 2000 acres of some of the finest land in Kent, having a very varied surface of hill and dale, its elevated part give it a commanding prospects, both north and south extend for many miles, from sheerness on one side to the lake and France on the other, it is tastefully laid out by the earlier Earls of Winchilsea and contained some noble forest famous for its majestic deer.

In 1769, the 8th Earl of Winchilsea and 3rd Earl of Nottingham left the family Kentish properties, including the ancestral Winchilsea seat Eastwell Park to his other nephew George Finch Hatton, son of his youngest brother Edward Finch Hatton.

Between 1793 and 1799 the original manor house was replaced by one built in the neo-classical style for George Finch-Hatton and his wife Lady Elizabeth Murray, daughter of 2nd Earl of Mansfield to designs by Robert Adam's former draughtsman, Joseph Bonomi (1739–1808). The new Bonomi designed house was built on a magnificent scale, with an imposing frontage, suites of splendid state apartments with accommodations for a large number of guests, beside the tastefully arranged garden, the interior resembles Bonomi and Robert Adam's famous decors.

Their son the 10th Earl of Winchilsea and 5th Earl of Nottingham, famous for his duel with Duke of Wellington, decided to expand and add a Victorian Tudor-style wing designed by William Burn in 1843; the house had seven bays and wings of three bays each. His third son, Henry, was born at Eastwell; he was the father of Denys Finch Hatton.

In 1828, the Duchess of Kent and young future Queen Victoria paid a visit to the 10th Earl of Winchilsea. They stayed two days at Eastwell Park, before their return to Kensington Palace. In the 1840s, the 10th Earl of Winchilsea ambitiously built Eastwell Lake, the newly formed large lake was created by damming a stream of the River Great Stour. to commemorate the new lake, a model gun brig ship was launched at Eastwell Lake in 1848, it was attended by many locals and featured in newspapers.

By the mid-1860s, the 11th Earl of Winchilsea, a chronic gambler, experienced serious financial difficulties due to his gambling addiction, which eventually forced him to leave the property. On 4 December 1868, trustees appointed under the Winchilsea Estate Act (1865) entered into a contract to let Eastwell Park, together with its furnishings and effects, to the Duke of Abercorn for a period of five years. Lord Winchilsea had been obliged to vacate the property sometime prior to December 1868, and he was formally adjudged bankrupt on 5 October 1870.

Royal residence
Eastwell Park was next occupied in 1874 by Prince Alfred, Duke of Edinburgh, the second son of Queen Victoria, with his wife Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna of Russia, the only daughter of Emperor Alexander II of Russia. They lived here for 20 years with his family until 1893, when he inherited the duchy of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha in Germany. During that time, Queen Victoria was a frequent visitor and there are photographs of her skating on the lake. Prince Alfred's older brother, the future King Edward VII, and Queen Alexandra were frequent visitors. Prince Alfred's wife, the Duchess of Edinburgh, never liked England, but from her letter written in 1879, the Russian-born duchess was swayed and described the countryside around Eastwell Park as being "very pretty, everything is so green, so fresh." The duchess later confessed, "reconciles me a little to the English countryside." The 4th Earl of Warwick recalled visits to Eastwell Park saying, "I saw the finest jewels I have ever seen in my life". The Earl and Countess of Warwick were talking jewelry when the duchess said to the countess: "If you would like to see my jewels, I will tell my maid to put them all out in my room tomorrow evening, after tea, and if your husband is interested, bring him too." At the appointed date, the earl and countess went back to Eastwell and were astonished to find that the duchess's room was filled with"'precious stones; the bed, the tables, the chairs were covered with cases containing tiaras, ropes of pearls, necklaces, bracelets, brooches of rarest lustre and beauty and inestimable value. One would have thought that the world had been ransacked to lay these treasures at the Duchess’s feet, and there seemed to be enough for an entire royal family rather than for one member of it.'." In 1875, Prince Alfred's eldest daughter Queen of Romania was born at Eastwell Park. In her memoirs, she recalled fondly:"'Beautiful Eastwell with its big great gray house, its magnificent park, with its herds of deer and picturesque Highland cattle, its lake, its woods, its garden with the old cedar tree which was our fairy mansion Eastwell, the house where I was born, with its many rooms, explored and unexplored, our nurseries, our schoolroom, and Mamma’s cosy boudoir where she read to us of an evening and allowed us to finger the treasures on her tables; the breakfast-room, the drawing-room, and the dear big library where the Christmas tree always stood and out of which a passage-like conservatory led into the garden. This passage ran down a flight of steps to a larger conservatory below, which was filled with tree-ferns; anyhow, it was the tree ferns that impressed.'"Later, she also recalled her mother playing duets with her friend Lady Randolph Churchill in the big Eastwell library while the kids would play in the other corner. The Eastwell breakfast room, meanwhile, always reminded her of her uncle Duke of Albany and King Carlos I, the former would pretend to break his front tooth, making the whole table panicked. At the same time, the latter was handsome and would make subpar jokes which the kids would laugh at anyway. In 1884, another of Alfred's children, Princess Beatrice – who later married into the Spanish royal family – was also born at Eastwell Park.

The royal family eventually moved out of Eastwell Park in 1893, the royal governess made the royal kids to pack and donate their toys to Eastwell's servant and their children.

Early 1900s
The 12th Earl of Winchilsea and Nottingham sold the celebrated Eastwell Park estate in 1894 for a quarter of million pounds £250,000 (equivalent to modern-day £26 million) to 2nd Baron Gerard of Garswood Hall.

Eastwell at the time comprised 6000 acres, with the park being one of the largest in the kingdom. Baron Gerard then largely renovated Eastwell Park and it was completed in 1898, but he died in 1902 and Eastwell was inherited by his son 3rd Baron Gerard; his friend King Edward VII was a frequent visitor.

During the First World War, Eastwell Park was made into a convalescent home by Lady Northcote (who tenanted Eastwell from Lord Gerard), she offered the house to the Canadian Red Cross Society and received convalescent patients from Monks Horton in the summer months of 1915 - 1919.

Demolition and rebuilding of Eastwell Manor
In 1920, Lord Gerard put Eastwell for sale, later it was bought by Sir John Pennefather in 1924, who decided the 18th century house was too large and demolished it. A way smaller house in a Neo-Elizabethan style was built on the same site from 1926–1928 using the material from the previous house, Pennefather's health declined and he never lived in the house, instead putting it up for sale in 1928.

In 1930, the house was bought by Guinevere Gould, 2nd Countess of Midleton, she resided mostly in London, her son Captain George Gould Brodrick (1915–2003) took care of Eastwell, She died in 1978. eventually Eastwell manor was acquired by Champneys

After many changes, Eastwell Manor now operates as a country house hotel. There is an indoor swimming pool and a Champneys spa, and a nine-hole golf course has been laid out in the grounds. The rest of the estate is used for farming.

St Mary the Virgin Church
Next to the large shallow lake at Eastwell Park is the ruined church of St Mary the Virgin, which is now cared for by the Friends of Friendless Churches. The church dates to the 14th century but became unused after the First World War. A storm in 1951 caused severe damage: parts of the nave and the choir fell. The tower remains reasonably intact. Marble monuments once found in the church are now in the Victoria and Albert Museum. A memorial located in the former choir commemorates the grave of Richard Plantagenet, alleged to be the illegitimate son of Richard III.

George Finch-Hatton, 11th Earl of Winchilsea (1815–1887), his second wife Lady Elizabeth Georgiana (d. 1904, daughter of Francis Conyngham, 2nd Marquess Conyngham) as well as his only son George William Finch-Hatton, Viscount Maidstone (1852–1879) are buried in a simple grave in the overgrown part of the church cemetery.

Eastwell Towers
The distinctive structure now known as Eastwell Towers stands a mile south-south west of the manor. It was the original main gatehouse to Eastwell Park and was built in 1848 by William Burn.

Home Farm
Home Farm at Eastwell Park was built far from the main stately home. The large residence is surrounded by fields and lies close to the church of St Mary the Virgin.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gabriel Batz

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete, and Tony should stop making a WP:POINT by relisting items that obviously have consensus to delete. Radiant_ >|< 08:59, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Gabriel Batz
Non-notable remixer who is "set out to conquer the world". 28 unique Google hits for this name. Zoe 07:13, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Time to Delete Antonio Little cute meawww Pink Cattish Dog Martin 9:57, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per zoe. Dottore So 05:32, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn/vanity/advertising. --DrTorstenHenning 13:37, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Relisting for more discussion. --Tony Sidaway Talk 01:00, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. I'm not quite sure how WP:MUSIC should be applied to live DJs, but it would seem this one does not meet the bar of notability set by that policy.  Thatdog 01:08, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable. Elfguy 01:18, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, going by unique google hits he's 1/7 as notable as wikipedia. (just kidding about the keep) Kappa 02:17, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Depending on which admin closes this VfD, your "just kidding" might not be considered sufficient evidence™ that you weren't actually voting "keep"... Nandesuka 04:59, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable. *drew 02:47, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn Ryan Norton T 04:12, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable. Amren (talk) 04:20, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable non-entity. Paul Klenk 05:26, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

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Rock This Country!

"Rock This Country!" is a song co-written and recorded by Canadian country music singer Shania Twain. It was the eleventh single released from her third studio album Come on Over. Written by Robert John "Mutt" Lange and Twain, "Rock This Country!" was released to North American country radio stations in late 1999. With no promotional performances or CD single, the song was the lowest charting single at country radio from the album. Despite this, Twain has performed the song on every one of her tours: the Come On Over Tour, Up! Tour, the tour of the same name, Now Tour, and the Queen of Me Tour usually as the opener or closer. She also performed the song on the Let's Go! residency, and in an acoustic version for the Still the One residency.

Background
On "Rock This Country!" Twain said the song is "a very live, fast-driving song. We wrote that one on the beach in Florida. I had had the title a long time". It is the only song to stay the same on both the original and international versions of Come On Over. Al Gore used "Rock This Country!" as the theme song to his 2000 Presidential Campaign. Hillary Clinton selected "Rock This Country!" as a candidate theme song for her 2008 Presidential campaign.

Critical reception
Billboard applauded the song saying it "pushes all the buttons that should make it a natural for today's young country audience" and calling it "a rollicking, fiddle-laced number that should become a weekend anthem".

Music video
The music video for "Rock This Country!" was taken directly from Twain's 1999 Come on Over special from Dallas. It was filmed on November 25, 1999, and released on December 23, 1999. Directing credit is given to Larry Jordan. This video was the second consecutive live video released from the Come on Over album, and third overall, as both "Honey, I'm Home" and "Come on Over" were issued live videos. The video is known for Twain's "space-age" looking outfit. It is available on Twain's DVD The Platinum Collection (2001).

Chart performance
"Rock This Country!" debuted on the Billboard Hot Country Singles & Tracks chart the week of January 15, 2000, at number 58. The single spent 17 weeks on the chart and climbed to a peak position of number 30 on February 26, 2000, where it remained for three weeks. "Rock This Country!" became the first and only single from Come on Over to miss the top 20. It also became her lowest peaking single since "God Bless the Child", which peaked at number 48.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Midwestern Ivy League

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The result of the debate was delete. --Tony Sidaway Talk 01:14, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Midwestern Ivy League
No such thing exists! 18.95.1.22 07:15, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete This is patent nonsense. There is no such league. Nor is this a colloquial term. I suspect it was merely invented by an alumnus of one of these universities. 18.95.1.22 07:23, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. A plausible term, but appears not to have any kind of currency (no google results for "Midwestern Ivies", no relevant ones for "Midwestern Ivy League." Sdedeo 16:07, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. I suspect that in time there will be such a term. --Dysepsion 17:24, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. This is common in academia, and while it is not officially a league as the Ivy League are it has become the definitive way to refer to the small private schools in this grouping. I suspect the lack of google hits is due to the colloquial nature of the term, and it's use in popular speech rather than official documentation.  Google is not the best, nor only test of whether an article is notable enough. I encourage keeping this article as it adds an important bit of comparative information to Wikipedia, and challenge other editors to find fault with the factual comparison on the page.  The Chief  ( Pow Wow ) 16:46, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I think I need to do a lot of work here before this is ready it seems.  I would appreciate comments on my talk page on how to improve this article and make it ready for Wikipedia.  The Chief  ( Pow Wow ) 01:19, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * As a note, I have no affiliation with the listed Universities as the nominator claims. As one might imagine I am affiliated with UIUC.  The Chief  ( Pow Wow ) 18:53, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * My apologies. Go Illini. All the same, there is no such league. If you think "Midwest Ivies" is a colloquial term, why not start an article with that name? The inclusion of "League" in the present article's title is too formal to be colloquial. You may find the current discussion at Little Ivies interesting. -18.95.1.22 20:14, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. Yes, Long live the Chief.  That's a pretty good suggestion.  My purpose in the article was to highlight the colloquial perception of these four schools as being the "Ivy League of the Midwest".  Are you interested in helping me to improve the title/focus of the article?  The Chief  ( Pow Wow ) 20:23, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. As an Ivy League student, I can say that I have never heard students, faculty, or media use this term. There's no doubt that they're great schools, but that doesn't mean that the term exists, will exist, or should exist.--AaronS 04:14, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - total BS CoolGuy 04:28, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, neologism at best, but overall too vague a concept to be encyclopedic. Saying "the Ivy League of" is like saying "the Cadillac of," or "the sick man of," or "the Tiffany of": it's a device of language that can be applied to an infinite number of subjects. - choster 05:16, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Neologism. No evidence of currency. Nohat 05:45, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. There is no such thing, sorry.
 * As a note, like TheChief, I'm also affiliated with UIUC, and I believe that UIUC easily outranks any schools in this 'Midwestern Ivy League'. So, the list is fundamentally flawed, even if such a thing existed ;) Jawed 06:29, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per AaronS. Too vague, too unbounded, and too neologistic. JDoorjam 11:26, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No evidence presented of real use. Just promotional, point of view, academic boosterism. These universities are not bracketed together by tradition or common use or anything else. Nor are they the four best midwestern universities by any particular criterion I can think of. And by the way what's with Jesuit Ivy and Little Ivies? Public Ivies has some reality to it because of an influential book with that title. Jesuit Ivy quotes JFK so is worth merging into the BC article, although I live near Boston and have never, never, never heard BC called that. Little Ivies is just unattributed unsourced personal-essay garbage. The phrase Ivy League has a real well-defined meaning as an athletic conference. It also has a social resonance does not mean simply good schools with small classes. There is no Engineering Ivy League (MIT, Caltech, RPI and Georgia Tech). And there is no "Midwestern Ivy League." Dpbsmith (talk) 13:06, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Never heard of this term, and I've met alumni from some of these schools and not only have they never mentioned this term, I expect it would be considered somewhat condescending if I were to use it.  Also, this page is very POV, insisting at every point that people's general infamiliarity with this "league" is due to its location in the Midwest.    --C S 16:58, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete No evidence of usage (my parents went to Northwestern and I've never heard it). I would suggest a redirect to Big Ten if the alleged list were a little different. Septentrionalis 19:43, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
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Too Good to Be True (The Everly Brothers album)

Too Good To Be True is an album by The Everly Brothers, released in 2005.

Background
Consisting entirely of self-written demonstration recordings recorded between their formative years of 1957 and 1960 (except for the last track, "It's All Over", a solo vocal performance from brother Don in 1976), Too Good To Be True is a bringing together of almost entirely completely unreleased recordings ("Give Me A Future" had already been released in its complete form on the 1992 collection Classic Everly Brothers), the album was the result of a collaboration between Cary Mansfield and Andrew Sandoval, with additional research from Peggy Lamb.

Having originally recorded four songs in November 1955 for Columbia, including a third-take, false-started version of the first song they recorded together, "The Sun Keeps Shining", a cowrite between Don Everly and Jerry Organ (the flip-side of a 45 released in February 1956 on the back of their second-ever recorded song, "Keep A'Lovin' Me"), all of the songs which appear on this album are original recordings. Amongst these songs are original, previously unheard recordings they made when the brothers signed for Acuff-Rose, and demo tracks of latterly released material such as "Should We Tell Him" and the original version of "I Wonder if I Care as Much".

As the decade came to a close and official albums such as Songs Our Daddy Taught Us employed tighter harmony singing and the necessity for better-quality playing, the later tracks display a greater sense of rhythm and timing in the original recordings, including The New Album's solo vocal "Dancing On My Feet", present as a previously recorded demo on this album.

Track listing
All songs by Don Everly unless otherwise noted.
 * 1) "That's Too Good To Be True" – 1:56
 * 2) "I Wonder If I Care As Much" – 2:13
 * 3) "How Did We Stay Together" – 1:12
 * 4) "Maybe Tomorrow" – 1:36
 * 5) "I Didn't Mean To Go This Far" – 1:20
 * 6) "Should We Tell Him" – 1:45
 * 7) "It's Too Late To Say Goodbye" – 1:32
 * 8) "Since You Broke My Heart" – 2:09
 * 9) "All I Ask Of Life" – 1:38
 * 10) "Give Me A Future" – 1:59
 * 11) "I'll Throw Myself At You" – 1:21
 * 12) "Made To Love" (Phil Everly) – 1:51
 * 13) "Life Ain't Worth Living" – 1:16
 * 14) "Kiss Me Once" – 1:24
 * 15) "Dancing On My Feet" (Phil Everly) – 1:59
 * 16) "Do You Love Me" – 1:54
 * 17) "When Will I Be Loved?" (Phil Everly) – 1:39
 * 18) "It's All Over" – 2:09

 * Tracks 12, 15 and 17 are vocal solos from Phil Everly.
 * Tracks 14 and 16 are vocal solos from Don Everly.

Personnel
Production notes
 * Don Everly – vocals, guitar
 * Phil Everly – vocals, guitar
 * Dan Hersch – digital remastering
 * John Hosum – photo courtesy
 * Pete Howard – photography
 * Jurgen Koop	 – cover photo
 * Cary E. Mansfield – producer
 * Bill Pitzonka – art direction, design
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Windlesham Moor

Windlesham Moor is a country house and, for a time in the 20th century a royal residence, at Windlesham in the English county of Surrey. In its capacity as a royal residence, it was, for nearly two years in the late 1940s, the home of Princess (later Queen) Elizabeth and her husband Philip, Duke of Edinburgh.

History
Philip Hill bought the Victorian home and grounds in a state of disrepair in 1942 for £40,000. Later the Royal Family bought the renovated Sunninghill Park house and park from Hill. He renovated the house in 1944. It was rented furnished from his widow, Mrs. Warwick Bryant, for Princess Elizabeth and Philip, Duke of Edinburgh between 1947 and 4 July 1949.

The house has by design four reception rooms including a reception hall, dining room, a 50 ft drawing room, and a Chinese room. Other room names during the royal tenure included a study, games room, and loggia and five main bedrooms. The nursery comprised two guest rooms joined.

The house bore with it 58 acre, largely of light woodland in the acidic heath of Surrey Heath on the elevated Bagshot Formation (Bagshot sands).

Neighbours
To the north and west is (in Berkshire) part of Swinley Forest lying in the Crown Estate, separated by the Ascot to Guildford Line from its heart. To the south is Erl Wood Manor European research laboratory established in 1967 for Eli Lilly and Company, a USA-based pharmaceutical company. To the south-west corner across the minor train line is a private racecourse and to the east are smallholdings and gardens of detached homes such as Windlesham Hill Farm which is divided into three. A 21st-century care home has been established on part of the former farm.

Present
The house was acquired by Sheikh Hamdan bin Rashid Al Maktoum, who carried out significant renovation and extensions, added a security gatehouse in 2002, and included the houses "Winklands" and "Rose Cottage" into the estate. From July to September) Al Maktoum, his family, and other Arab dignitaries live in the house. Occasionally the Sheikh's guests live there at other times. The property is maintained by property managers, gardeners and security personnel.

A painting of the house and gardens circa 1934, attributed to Winston Churchill, was discovered and sold at auction in September 2008.

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This article survived a Vote for Deletion. The discussion can be found here. -Splash 07:18, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Constant Removal Of Links By Unknown User and Unnecessary Public Comments About Links
Some time ago I removed several links to 'Gites De France' as this article, and the other article which it still links to, appear to be nothing more than a spammy promotion of 'Gites De France'. Gites De France is a commercial co-operation, regardless of whatever other labels or titles may have been conferred upon it over the years from it's inception, and every link anent Gites has been towards this organisation. To say that Gites De France is a 'national' organisation would be like saying Yellow Pages is the only official telephone book. It is not an official french government department, as appears to be constantly getting implied. I replaced one of the 'Gites De France' links because it linked to the french language version of the site, and I put in it's place a website I found when I googled gites. I looked the other site over and it appeared suitable for a link to give another example of a French Gite Listing site, but in english this time. Just about every wiki article has external links to websites, usually for greater clarity or examples of the material to which the article relates. The constant association of 'Gites' with 'Gites De France' is a biased promotion, and such related matters of apparent commercialism and apparent brand name promoting was one of the reasons this article was almost deleted.

I would ask that the user of IP 83.155.141.206, firstly identify themself, and then politely request that they stop altering these links as it is wholly against the policies of Wikipedia. You have repeatedly removed other people's reversals of your efforts in clear violation of wikipedia recommendations over editing wars. If you have a problem with the neutrality of links, then this area is the proper place for discussion of that and not the article itself, where you also placed unneccesary comments. If you wish to engage in disucssion concerning links or any other part of the article, this is also the place to do it.

Chrissyboi 16:55, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Probably unrelated to the rant above, but I got rid a link to some pet lover's site and edited a bit the in-text comment that came with it. Still left the basic info that "many Gîtes accept pets" even though it was not properly referenced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.27.134.35 (talk) 22:53, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, I hope I contributed to clearify the situation by giving some more general information about gîtes in the French-speaking parts of Europe and not only in France. --Braveheidi (talk) 10:43, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 16:55, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Etymology
In my opinion (as a linguist), the etymology suggested in this article cannot be correct. First, the circumflex in French indicates that the original word contained an "s" (gîte < gistes), ruling out the association with "gitanes" (gypsies). Second, I rather expect an association with late Latin "gistum", related to hostis/hostes (host and guest). But I am not an expert on Old French, this should be looked up. 37.169.16.82 (talk) 07:06, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

title: Talk:Gîte