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This category contains articles about the United States Revenue Cutter Service, an agency of the Federal Government of the United States that existed from 1790 to 1915 and was then merged into the United States Coast Guard.

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Omar Portee

Omar Portee (born c. 1969), also known as "O.G. Mack", is an American gang leader, known for founding the United Blood Nation gang while serving a prison sentence at Rikers Island, New York, in 1993.

Criminal career
Portee began his criminal career as a robber at the age of 17. In the early hours of August 16, 1987, he claimed to have witnessed Don Taylor shoot and kill Terrance Joyner in the Bronx. Based on Portee's eyewitness testimony, Taylor was convicted on April 25, 1989, and sentenced to 22½ years-to-life in prison. At the time of his original testimony, Portee was facing multiple charges in New York stemming from his arrest on August 31, 1987. He faced substantial prison time, 16⅔-to-50 years, if convicted. Instead, as part of a cooperation agreement, which included his testimony against Don Taylor in People v Taylor, Portee was allowed to plead to two to six years for all charged crimes (two 1st-degree robbery convictions), received credit for 21 months' time served and was promised a favorable letter to the parole board. He started serving his sentence on June 9, 1989. He was released on June 20, 1990. Portee later recanted his prior testimony, and Taylor's conviction was vacated in 2004, whereupon Taylor was released from prison after having served over 10 years.

United Blood Nation
In August 1992, Portee was sentenced to 2 ½-to-five years in prison for criminal possession of weapon in the third degree. He and a fellow inmate, Leonard "OG Dead Eye" McKenzie, established the United Blood Nation, initially as a prison gang, while incarcerated at Rikers Island in 1993. The United Blood Nation would become responsible for spreading gang violence from Los Angeles to New York City. On March 12, 1996, Portee led an attack, armed with a shiv fashioned from a Scrabble game piece, on members of the rival Latin Kings gang. Three inmates were slashed in the incident.

Portee was released from prison on June 22, 1999, and returned to the streets to build the Bloods into a powerful street gang. He divided the gang into numerous subgroups, or "sets", such as the One Eight Trey, Sex Money Murder, and the Gangsta Killer Bloods. Basing his operations around 183rd Street and Davidson Avenue in the Bronx, Portee led the One Eight Trey faction and ruled over a drug, prostitution and theft empire by recruiting gang members as young as 16 years of age and ordering numerous acts of violence against rival drug dealers.

Conviction and imprisonment
On August 27, 2002, Portee was convicted of ten counts of criminal activity, including racketeering, murder, conspiracy, credit card fraud, and drug trafficking. He was sentenced to fifty years' imprisonment, by Federal Court Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald, on April 14, 2003.

Portee is currently incarcerated in ADX Florence in Fremont County, Colorado. In 2021, Portee was moved from ADX to United States Penitentiary, Florence High, in the ADX step-down program. As of January 2022, Portee is back at ADX.

In 2018, Portee was profiled in an episode of the documentary series Gangsters: America's Most Evil.

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Deference

Deference (also called submission or passivity) is the condition of submitting to the espoused, legitimate influence of one's superior or superiors. Deference implies a yielding or submitting to the judgment of a recognized superior, out of respect or reverence. Deference has been studied extensively by political scientists, sociologists, and psychologists.

Politics
Smolenski (2005) examines deference in colonial Pennsylvania, to see how claims to political authority were made, justified, and accepted or rejected. He focuses on the "colonial speech economy," that is, the implicit rules that determined who was allowed to address whom and under what conditions, and describes how the qualities that inspired deference changed in the province from 1691 to 1764. The Quaker elite initially established a monopoly on political leadership based on what they believed to be their inherent civic virtue grounded in their religious and social class. By 1760, this view had been discredited and replaced with the consensus that civic virtue was an achieved, not an inherent, attribute and that it should be demonstrated by the display of appropriate manliness and the valor of men who were willing to take up arms for the common defense of the colony. Further, Pennsylvanians came to believe that all white men, not just wealthy property owners, were equally capable of achieving political voice. Martial masculinity, therefore, became the defining characteristic of the ideal citizen and marked a significant transformation in the way individuals justified their right to represent the public interest.

Sociology
Erving Goffman, a Canadian-born sociologist and writer, explored the relationship between deference and demeanor in his 1967 essay "The Nature of Deference and Demeanor". According to Goffman, a person with a poor demeanor will be held in lower esteem in the eyes of society. The same is true for people who behave in a good demeanor, however: society will hold them in a higher esteem. An example of this situation can be seen through the way a person acts in a social setting. e.g. a man pulling out a chair for a woman at a restaurant. On the other end of the spectrum, a person not bathing before they go to a fancy dinner party. These examples can be defined as presentational deference. Demeanor does not only limit itself to the actions of an individual, but also the appearance of an individual. A person offers themselves to a social group through a good appearance or a well demeanored appearance. When an individual has a well demeanored appearance it makes interaction between people easier. After a person is socially accepted to a group, it is expected that they will conform to interactional norms. Through acting on those norms, people receive deference.

Psychology
There is ongoing debate among psychologists as to the extent to which deference in a relationship is determined by a person's innate personality type or is the result of a person's experiences and conditioning. In interpersonal relationships, a partner can assume a submissive role to fit in or to make themself acceptable to the other partner, which can be a benign aspect of a relationship. On the other hand, it may be an indication of an interpersonal problem, such as partner abuse. If one or both of the people are experiencing chronic, pervasive emotional distress then the sex partners or individuals may require psychological evaluation.

In interpersonal relationships, some people prefer or are willing to adopt a submissive role in sexual activities or personal matters. The level and type of submission can vary from person to person, and from one context to another; and also is dependent on the other partner being willing to assume control in those situations. Some people can include occasional acts of submission in an otherwise conventional sex life, or adopt a submissive lifestyle.

Biology
Submission is also a common behavior in the animal kingdom, with a prevalence that spans the whole vertebrate-invertebrate gamut. Signs of submission are used either to preempt dangerous combat (in which case they usually appear at the beginning of an encounter) or to establish a dominance hierarchy (in which case they usually appear after the encounter). Often the behaviors used to appease the opponent or yield to his authority are of a stereotyped nature (e.g., bowing of the head, crouching, prostration, placing the tail between the legs, lying on ones back, grooming) but can sometimes develop into elaborate ritualistic performances (e.g., food supplication by the submissive animal, regurgitation of food by the dominant and ingestion of the regurgitated food by the submissive). It is believed by some researchers that part of the instinctive machinery subserving these behaviors is related to that used to evade or withstand predator attacks where similar behaviors appear (e.g., crouching, prostration, lying on the back). Other researchers have speculated what functions, if any, these behaviors may play in modern humans and come up with several possibilities (mostly from an evolutionary perspective); that they help in the establishment of parent-child attachment and pair bond formation, that they promote the development of theory of mind, that they play a role in the emergence of language, and that they may lay behind the higher cooperative and communicative abilities of humans.

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Operation: Inner Space

Operation: Inner Space is an action game developed in 1992 and published in 1994 by Software Dynamics for Windows. The player's mission is to enter the computer (represented by "Inner Space") in a spaceship and recover the icons and resources that have been set loose by an invasion, and ultimately to destroy the "Inner Demon". The player interacts with other spacecraft along the way, and can compete in races for icons.

Software Dynamics' goals in creating the game were to have players interact with opponents rather than kill them and for players to have personalized worlds. The intention was to be funny, and the game features ships based on animals and military aircraft. The development focus was on gameplay, and the team tried to make the game run like a DOS game. The game includes a "Ship Factory", which allows the player to make and customize ships. Three add-ons were released that added ships and increased the Ship Factory's functionality. The game received highly positive reviews, with reviewers praising its artificial intelligence, replayability, and originality. The game is available for purchase on Software Dynamics's website, where the shareware version is available for download. A sequel, named Operation: Inner Space 2: Lightning was planned, but cancelled.

Plot
The Inner Demon and its viruses have invaded the player's computer and infected its icons. Then the Inner Demon set up a lair in a black hole which changes position. Guarding this lair are four dragons each holding one of the Inner Demon's powers. Using a spaceship, the player goes into the computer's "Inner Space" to collect the uninfected icons and stop the Inner Demon. Along the way, the player will improve their ship and maintain relationships with the population of Inner Space.

Gameplay
Each ship belongs to one of eight teams: the Avengers, Pirates, Predators, Enforcers, Renegades, Fuzzy Ones, Knights, and the Speed Demons. Each team has personality and behaviours; for example, the Knights tend to be helpful to their allies, whereas the Pirates enjoy looting other ships. The player can play as any ship from any team, except the Enforcers, who only police the levels as bots. Each team has pre-set relations with the other teams, which are not fixed and can easily change. Certain ships have special attributes, such as a cloak or shield.

Once the player has chosen a disk drive to "disinfect" and a ship (and therefore a team) to pilot, a directory to enter must be chosen. Once a directory has been chosen, the player is debriefed on the "wave", which includes which icons are present, which other ships are entering, and what hazards are present. Hazards include viruses, which infect icons, and turrets, which fire lasers or a specific type of weapon when a ship comes into close proximity. Upon entering a wave, the player's primary task is to collect each icon present. Icons are the game's currency used to purchase weapons and upgrades. Icons can be damaged (reducing their value), infected (which eliminates their value and causes the player's ship to temporarily lose control), or destroyed completely. Icons can spawn small ships called defenders to protect themselves. These ships circle around the icon and attack anything which threatens it. Upon capturing an icon, its defenders switch allegiance to the ship which captured it. Fuel tanks are present throughout, which the player must collect regularly to avoid running out of fuel. The player will encounter other ships and interact with them, which can include giving commands. Other ships may not be friendly and the player may enter combat. When a ship is destroyed, a resource pack is released containing its icons and a weapon. If the player's ship is destroyed, the game ends. Helping other ships may strengthen relations between its team and the player's team, and attacking will worsen relations. Friendly ships may come to assist if trouble is encountered. During a wave, any ship can call the "ambulance" which offers repair and refuelling services, weapons and upgrades. Weapons available range from missiles utilizing various targeting mechanisms, to fireballs. Upgrades include more powerful lasers and stronger armour. The player can purchase a new ship, although their identity and team does not change. The player leaves a wave by flying through an exit gate.

Occasionally, a black hole will appear and suck the player into the Inner Demon's realm. Here, the player must attempt to rob the Inner Demon of its powers. If the player manages this, a special weapon (called a "noble weapon") is released. Damage inflicted on the player here is not permanent. The player returns to normal upon exiting when a noble weapon is collected, or is destroyed. Whilst the game claims that all four noble weapons are required, it is actually possible to challenge the Inner Demon with just 'Uncertainty' and 'Enlightenment'. If the player is victorious, the game is won.

Inner Space has laws which all ships must obey. Crimes include destroying uninfected icons and attacking an Enforcer. A patrol Enforcer will occasionally enter and look for crime. If a crime occurs, an Intercept Enforcer is called in to arrest the offender. The offender will be handcuffed, taken to the Hall of Justice, charged and punished for the crime(s). Punishments include fines and confiscation of weapons. If the offender resists arrest, the Enforcer will respond accordingly before continuing with the arrest. In serious cases, a Terminator Enforcer may be summoned to destroy the offender.

Directories will occasionally, at random, become races (the directory where the game is installed is always a race directory). This means the player must race on one of three courses to win the icons. The icons are awarded to the player for a first-place win. Stealing icons is a crime and the thief will be arrested immediately upon doing so. There are duel directories, where the player is locked into a duel with other ships, and must either win or be destroyed.

The game can be played in either Action mode, where the player handles all the controls manually, or in Strategy mode, where the player gives commands to the ship, and the finer details are handled automatically. For example, the player can command the ship to attack a target, but cannot choose which weapons to use, or when or how they are used.

Development
Operation: Inner Space was developed in 1992 for Microsoft Windows 3.1. Software Dynamics were aiming to have the game running at 36 frames per second on 16mhz 386 PCs, and aimed to develop a native Windows game that rivalled the performance of DOS games. The idea to develop the game came about because Software Dynamics wanted to develop something new after developing screensavers. The development team did not want the game to be like others where the objective is to kill everyone, but rather to play with the opponents instead. They team aimed to create an artificial intelligence that felt like real opponents.

Another aspect they wanted to achieve was personalized worlds for each user. This was believed important because they thought consumers liked things customized just for them. Furthering this goal was the creation of the Ship Factory to enable players to create ships, which Bill Stewart, the game's director, stated was not easy. It was felt that the game should be funny, and to that end, the team "couldn't resist going wild" and created ships such as ducks, tigers, and Mig 29s, and made the fuel tanks change into items such as tea cups at certain times of day. Another goal the team had was to make players think of the game objects as real by giving them as many characteristics as they could, such as rocks heating up when shot and doing more damage if a collision occurs when heated. The team also wanted the sound and the graphics to be interesting to the player, and spent "endless hours" perfecting the voice overs to present useful information in such a way. According to Stewart, the team spent "thousands of hours designing, programming, and debugging", and they did not know if anybody was going to like it because it "ventured into uncharted territory".

Three add-ons were released; a Ship Builder's Kit, which enhanced the Ship Factory and enables the player to import ships. This is required for the other two add-ons; the Military and Nations of The World ship sets, which add military ships such as tanks and World War I and World War II planes, and ships based on various nation's flags respectively. These add-ons were combined and released as "The Works!", which includes sound and voice packages that are available separately.

Operation: Inner Space 2: Lightning  had been a planned sequel, but the publisher cancelled development. Software Dynamics, now known as Dynamic Karma, has stated it has no intentions of further game development.

Reception
Operation: Inner Space received critical acclaim. Gamer's Ledge lauded the game, and described it as "An excellent example for other developers to emulate". Maximize Magazine said the game rivalled the best Macintosh games. PC Multimedia & Entertainment Magazine praised the artificial intelligence, and reviewer Michael Bendner was impressed that the game could fit onto one floppy disk.

The game made it into the finalists for Ziff Davis's 1995 Shareware Awards, where it was called "The best of a new breed of native Windows games". Happy Puppy Games praised the game's originality, describing the use of the hard disk contents as game elements as "simply brilliant". Windows Magazine called the gameplay "unique". The Shareware Shop complimented its "Excellent sound and graphics". Midnight Publications complimented the addictiveness. Dan Nguyen of Games Domain commended the game, describing it as "awesome", and was also impressed with the game's small size on disk. Computer life commented that "Inner Space encourages and empowers your creativity!". Windows 95 uncut called it "Simply the best". Computer Life UK considered the game "an animated, audio-filled blast". PC Direct called the game "the arcade shoot 'em-up with attitude". Chuck Miller of Computer Gaming World commented that the game "offers an entertaining twist to a classic game idea", and praised the humour, although he criticized the design of the interface, saying it lacked the sophistication of the rest of the game.

The game was not without its critics. Jason Bednarik of World Village called the game "repetitious", further stating that the icon collecting and challenging the Inner Demon made it more tedious. He concluded by calling the game a remake of Asteroids, commenting that it was not worth the price.

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Alwin Karl Haagner

Alwin Karl Haagner (1 June 1880 – 15 September 1962) was a South African ornithologist and mammalogist, who was instrumental in the establishment of the Kruger National Park and in early measures to raise awareness and protect Southern African wildlife.

He served for a decade as the director of the Pretoria Zoological Gardens. He wrote numerous works on South African birds and the protection of wildlife.

Life and work
Haagner was born in Hankey near Humansdorp where his father, Sigmund, an accountant at the explosives factory in Modderfontein, taught him at home. Young Haagner then worked alongside his father in the accounts department but found natural history of greater interest. At the age of 19, he published a note on the Cape Monitor followed by several papers on the birds of Modderfontein in the Ibis around 1901–1902. He was one of the founding members of the South African Ornithologists' Union begun in Johannesburg on 8 April 1904, an organization that amalgamated with the Transvaal Biological Society in 1916 to form the South African Biological Society. Haagner worked in the Transvaal Museum from 1906 collecting grass species among other specimens and becoming an assistant in ornithology from 1908 to J.W.B. Gunning. Along with Gunning he began to assemble a collection of birds from the region. Haagner left the museum in 1911, was succeeded by Austin Roberts, and became director of the Pretoria Zoological Gardens. During his directorship, animals were transferred to zoos in Europe and the United States through dealers in wild animals, leading to accusations that he was involved in their trade. His argument was that he was promoting the continued survival of endangered species, by ensuring that breeding pairs were protected within zoos worldwide. He then worked at a farm near Beira, Mozambique and returned to South Africa somewhere in the 1940s and settled in Pietermartizburg, working as an accountant.

A lecture tour through the United States in 1920 led to the University of Pittsburgh awarding him an honorary Doctor of Science degree in 1922. He took an interest in the Kruger National Park and played an important role, along with J. Stevenson-Hamilton, in drafting the National Parks Acts of 1926. He was, along with R.H. Ivy, a co-author of Sketches of South African Bird-Life and compiled A Checklist of the Birds of South Africa with J. W. B. Gunning, first director of the Transvaal Museum in 1910. He helped revise the classification of the South African Cisticola species. Along with W. T. Hornaday, he wrote The vanishing game of South Africa: A warning and an appeal (1922). Haagner was an honorary member of the British Ornithologists' Union, the Royal Hungarian Bureau of Ornithology and the American Ornithologists' Union.

Personal life
Haagner married Johanna A. Moll in May 1910 and they had a daughter. After the death of Johanna, he married Gwendoline E. Allen in 1922 and they had a son. Haagner died at his home in Pietermaritzburg in 1962.

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User talk:Agro1986

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Score-writing
Hello Agro,

Thanks for your question on my talk page. I prepare music scores using Midisoft Studio 6. It's quite an old program, but the interface is very easy to use, and I'm very happy with the appearance of the scores and the control over details the program allows. I've tried two of the more modern (and quite costly) programs, but was not happy with them.

The interface is so easy to use, I can write a score more quickly with this program than with a pencil and piece of manuscript paper!

The one drawback is that the file format, .mmm, is not recognized. I can print directly, for the highest quality copy, but must scan the copy (creating a .jpg file) for use on Wikipedia.

The program was designed for Windows '95 and '98, but I believe it is no longer available (new). However, I've seen used disks of the program for sale on Ebay for $25. or less!

Best, Prof.rick (talk) 10:03, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

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Why are you here?

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User talk:Ybbor/2007

I like to keep all discussions in one place. If I go to your talk page, reply on your talk page. If you post here, I'll reply here.

Re: Editing Comments
Hi, I know that it's not supposed to be done but surely you must agree that the comment I deleted was nonsense? Or at least an attempt at satire re: "'The previous Chreamo page was the only website that gave the specifics about the Chreamo clique-everything from what bands are “hot and happening”, to what to wear, and how to act. True, it could have provided a picture or two of a very cute Chreamo kid with hazel eyes, light brown hair, black, white and red checkered Vans that are ripped on the left, and typical Chreamo garb, topped off with a stripped scarf, but other than that I found the previous page to be highly informational." I was merely attempting to keep the talk page free of information that won't help or benefit the discussion of improvements to the article. Diabolical 15:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was either an idiot typing that, or much more probably, a good use of satire. While you or I may not entirely agree with the point of such use, it is not your place to remove the comments of others, whether because you disagree with the idea, or find the method of argument unsophisticated. They are entitled to their opinion, and entitled to express it in whatever way they wish. Wikipedia has no policy that prohibits the use of satire, but it does have a policy against [|removing comments on talk pages]. --YbborT 18:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

On signatures
Thank you! I keep forgetting these markups, as I edit wikis on many different engines. I will remember the trick. Peter il Pinguino 00:44, 10 March 2007 (UTC) Also, sorry for not putting it at the bottom. I am so used to reverse chronological order that it did not even occur to me it could be different.

Coordinate removal
I removed the coordinates from the infobox for a few reasons:
 * 1) The coordinate information was all wrong.
 * 2) The correct coordinates were already display in the body of the article as well as the very top right, just above the infobox.
 * 3) It made the infobox longer and was something that added to the creation time of each infobox.

If you feel that coordinates belong in the infobox message me. — oo64eva (Alex) (U @ 08:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I somehow mistakenly thought that the info-box was adding the top-right co-ordinate information, I don't know how. Sorry. --YbborT 21:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

why did you take my edit out its true thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.125.109.99 (talk • contribs)
 * responded to at User talk:194.125.109.99. --YbborT 00:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

GWU
As I just said in an edit summary, I'd been awake for over a day at that point, and my brain was obviously not functioning. :) Thanks for pointing it out. --Golbez 01:12, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * But it gets better. You just did it again. This is downright comical. --YbborT 01:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * oh, and just to be 100% clear, there's no need for anything more, I've already reverted it ;).--YbborT 01:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

A plug
Hi Ybbor. Perhaps you'd like to plug this list on the survey page? :D Xiner (talk, email) 19:04, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That page is restricted to sysops, I don't see what good it would do. But in any case, just because it's in my userspace doesn't mean you can't add it yourself. If you think you can find a place to make it fit, don't let me stop you. --YbborT 19:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Hardy Boys books AfD
I have added to Articles for deletion/Running on Empty (Hardy Boys novel) additional nominations for the other simialr articles created at the same time by the same editor. You may wish to revisit the discussion in light of this. DES (talk) 05:20, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank You
Thanks for fixing Infobox Comic Strip. When I continue work on Syndicate (which won't be tomorrow, I have a lot of work to do) there should be a lot less articles. -- Luigi Maniac  02:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Coordinates
FYI: discussion on Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#LocateMe_bot. Andy Mabbett 01:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

personal attacks
I will treat your accusation that I attacked someone personally as a personal attack.

Please, do not attack me personally. Comment on my content only. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.199.8.98 (talk • contribs)

 * I am sorry that you feel that way. However, your command to "keep silent" was very impolite, especially when I responded to your query to the best of my ability, and in complete accordance with Wikipedia policies. The fact that the next few questions were prefaced in ways that were clearly intended to reference the earlier dispute did nothing to alleviate the situation either, nor was the reference to vandalizing certain userpages, with the clear implication being mine. [And please sign your comments on talk pages using four tildes (~), even if you're not logged in. It makes it easier to follow conversations.] --YbborTalk Survey! 21:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Additionally No personal attacks clearly states that: "Personal attacks do not include civil language used to describe an editor's actions, and when made without involving their personal character, should not be construed as personal attacks, for instance, stating 'Your statement is a personal attack...' is not itself a personal attack." The page also states: "Threats of vandalism to userpages or talk pages [are never appropriate]." --YbborTalk Survey! 21:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Logo deletion
I don't mean to be rude, but why did you delete my logo I placed on the Audio Adrenaline page? It wasn't hurting anything, was it? What was the motive for deleting it? Liscobeck 01:57, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * As I explained in the edit summary, we only use fair use images when they are irreplaceable. While the "logo" did have some stylistic elements, it was primarily text, and could be replaced by text. Also works under Fair Use should be the subject of analysis within the article, which the logo was not. For more infromation see Fair use. (And for the record, I didn't delete the image, I simply removed it from the page.) --YbborTalk Survey! 12:45, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou
Thankyou for helping me get my signature in order. I really appreciate the help. -- Trumpetband  00:25, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about the typo. I think I fixed it now. What did you think of the analysis overall? Johntex\talk 01:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, to be honest, if every American made a cost-benefit analysis before making a major purpose, we'd be living in a whole different country. The math part is largely irrelevant, your last sentence was the most acute: "But it is really a psychological question about what choices people will end up making, and behavior is difficult to predict." It isn't a question of whether it's cost-effective (I don't think most people would pay $24,000 just to say they have a better car than Mr. Jones), it's a question of whether people will perceive it's cost-efficient. --YbborTalk Survey! 01:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

That wasn't a soapbox
Maybe you didn't see but I asked why the gay movement is so strong. You, sir, must be stupid. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.185.131.11 (talk) 21:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC).
 * For other users interested, the diff is here, and another user removed the same question when it was reposted here.
 * I stand by my removal. "Surely polygamy is more "acceptable" than homosexuality, and deserves more of an effort for legalization!" is a blatant POV, and the question as a whole would never have received a satisfactory response. No one can tell you why "people" (which is not at all specific as the Reference Desk guidelines state a question should be) care so much about the issues they do. --YbborTalk Survey! 21:49, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure it is POV, but it is also true. As for the second part, it can be told why people care about the issues they care about.  For example, why do people care about lower taxes? Because they don't want to pay money. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.185.131.11 (talk)
 * Further note to other editors the editor in question was eventually blocked for consistently adding this question back despite multiple editors removing the question. See User talk:71.185.131.11. --YbborTalk Survey! 23:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your help!
My thanks to you for your quick response to my help request in re a "Wikify" note placed on my bio of Dave Guard. Your reply gave me needed insight into the Wiki monitoring process, and direction into what I still need to do. I was puzzled about the notice because my article was (according to the basic guidelines) already 90% wikified. Thanks again. K. Kellogg-Smith 14:08, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

thanks for the help
thanks for the helpful link-- i had no idea it was forbidden to use a template for sig. so i fixed it... G a n d a l f ' s - h a t   talk |undefined 15:08, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Deletion on Misc. Reference Desk
Hi, I just noticed you deleted something on the Misc. Ref. desk about a Spanish national needing help. Did you try to read the text? If real, it seems like he needs help of somekind, political, saftey, mental. I think we should restore it. Zidel333 00:54, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You mean this edit that I undid? The edit was not a "question" for the reference desk. It revealed personal information, much of it was unintelligible, lots of it not in English, it made legal allegations, violated WP:SOAP, and most importantly, was not a question, in violation of Reference desk/guidelines. And, I hate to break it to you, but I don't think that Jacques Chirac passes time reading the English Wikipedia miscellaneous reference desk, and if he did, probably wouldn't pull out of Afghanistan on account of what he read there. --YbborTalk Survey! 01:18, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Schizophrenic IP vandals
Please keep me informed as to your discoveries, I have been having issues with the 66.230.200 140s, it seems most suspicious. I'd love to know what you find out! Whiskey in the Jar 22:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what vp technical is, but it sounds like a good idea, these things seem to be everywhere, its like a Wikipedia version of aliens. Whiskey in the Jar 22:17, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Village Pump (technical). I've made a report there (which I should probably update now). --YbborTalk 22:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Dick Cheney
It's pretty obvious that Dick Cheney was kicked out of Yale. It sounds like they gave him a second chance and he blew it. He says he was "asked to leave" and that is the quote I have included in the article and I ask you to please refrain from removing it again. --Jagz 09:11, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * As I stated in the edit summary, I don't doubt it. I am however, concerned about the reliability and independence of the cited source, as others on the talk page are. --YbborTalk 13:51, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

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So rather than help me...
So rather than help me figure out how to properly copyright tag my Bosnians.JPG file, you've used my own admission against me. Great. Ivan Ilir
 * That's the thing though, there is no proper tag. We are attempting to make an encyclopedia based entirely on free content, and your content wasn't free, it was owned by somebody else. Understand, these aren't rules for the sake of rules, there are real legal implications at stake. We want to make sure as much content as possible is free to use for anyone, for any purpose, and those images weren't. If you want to recreate the image, perhaps you can go through The Wikimedia commons and take pictures you find from there. Those are all free-content for you to use. --YbborTalk 13:20, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the lack of an edit summary in the Colbert Report article
The prose may have been misleading, but what I was attempting to do was reproduce a quote that Stephen Colbert made on that particular show where he claimed to "rewrite history". I'll check to see that the paragraph makes sense. Thanks anyway for patrolling the page! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tkandell (talk • contribs)
 * For those interested, the specific diff is here
 * Ahh, apologies for the misunderstanding. The idea of being able "rewrite history" isn't very encyclopedic in tone. If you were quoting Colbert, you probably should have put it in quotes. In any case, fixing grammar is generally stuff like changing verb tense or punctuation marks, not the changing of content.
 * In any event, thanks for your contributions, and watch out for bears :) --YbborTalk 21:56, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

YechielMan's RFA
Thank you for participating in either of my unsuccessful requests for adminship. Although the experience was frustrating, it showed me some mistakes I was making, and I hope to learn from those mistakes.

Please take a few minutes to read User:YechielMan/Other stuff/RFA review and advise me how to proceed. Best regards. Yechiel Man 21:47, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Warning Removal
My bad. I was not aware of the rule, I was just angry that these people are making their records seemingly clean, which could result in some being more lenient with them if they vandalize, since the person warning them would not know their history (possibly). Sorry I did not know about this rule. ---Signed By: KoЯn fan71  ( User Page  —  My Talk  —  Contribs ) 22:56, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. If you look back through the article historys I made the same mistake today. Just have faith that our fellow editors won't see through the charade :) --YbborTalk 22:59, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Democrat Party
On this article's discussion page, see "Information about search engines. It explains why I removed this stuff. A Google search isn't a valid reference. Another editor on the Discussion page explains why and makes a very good case, I think. Griot 01:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Patron saint
Yes- I think you are right to withdraw it; I was just about to oppose, on normal WP title conventions. Outside WP (especially inside a Catholic book) you would be right though. Johnbod 00:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Too bad this didn't get pointed out earlier. My proposal was a major one, and I was surprised when there was absolutely zero discussion on the talk page. If not for some mess with templates on the target page, the wrong decision would have made simply because of a lack of discussion. --YbborTalk 01:30, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Edit Conflict and threads.
I've only recently seen users preface a comment with "(edit conflict)." What is this supposed to connote? the_undertow talk  03:03, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The best place to go is Help:Edit conflict. Basically, it's when two editors edit a page at the same time, and one saves first. When someone says they have an edit conflict, it usually is just to show that this happened, and that there may be some redundant information between the two posts, but that the message was worthwhile enough to post anyway. Again Help:Edit conflict does a much nicer bob explaining this. --YbborTalk 03:34, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * So basically, I've come across the edit conflict warning, and I simply copy my text, and paste it to the latest version of the article. I think you are saying that people insert 'edit conflict' to show that if any continuity is broken, it is because the comment was intended for a previous version of the article? the_undertow talk  18:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * pretty much. But not necessarily a previous version of the article, just a previous part of the discussion, but that's probably what you meant to say. In case you're curious by the way, the template you saw me use was conflict.--YbborTalk 00:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I meant discussion. I'm used to seeing the 'edit conflict' warning while reverting vandalism, so I think that's where that came from. Thanks for the help. I am one step closer to knowing just about everything. Haha. the_undertow talk  01:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

SAT/ACT map
Whoops—sorry about that. Not checking the article was really unexcusable. I was getting ready to get offline, just happended to see that image on the SAT page, thought it would make sense on the ACT page, and when I opened up the ACT page, and didn't see it in the same position as on the SAT article, I made the idiotic assumption that it wasn't being used there. No excuses, it was just plain dumb of me.

Having said that, I must ask about your statement that no acknowledgement was given and that this was a violation of GDFL. I'm not all that familiar with this, but I had been under the impression that, if an image was okay for use on one Wikipedia page, it was reproducable on others as well. I know I've seen this many, many times. Could you clarify? Thanks. Unschool 17:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh no, provided an image isn't being used under fair use (and this one wasn't) the image itself is fine to use anywhere on Wikipedia. The issue was that you also copied and pasted the caption without attribution. That was somebody else's work, so you're supposed to link back to where you found it. The image itself isn't a problem since when you click on it, you're taken to the contribution history.

 * For more explanation you can see the help desk page where I found this out. --YbborTalk 17:46, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks, it's much clearer now. Unschool 17:52, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

But is it even Tammy?
For all we know, we may be addressing friendly notes to a malignant imposter, or a well-meaning idiot. -- Orange Mike 03:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * True. But an explination of policy can never hurt. I don't see any harm in assuming it is her. --YbborTalk 12:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Well, then, your language seemed fairly reasonable to me (but I'd prefer a disclaimer in it that says, "... if that's really who you are" or something of the sort). -- Orange Mike  13:18, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Fine by me. --YbborTalk 13:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

RE:WP:IFU
See Images for upload/Templates for a detailed explanation. ff m  14:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Georgetown University
At last! Thanks for your work and hoya saxa!--Patrick 03:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Opera South
I agree, it's a borderline article, I created it to remove a red link on Stanisław Moniuszko. I hope I can find more references to it to add in future. Le the 12:27, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Request for assistance
As someone with whom I have reviewed or worked with on an article or talk page, I humbly request your assistance in reviewing the Aggie Bonfire page for Featured Article status. Any/all constructive input is welcomed and appreciated on the FAC nomination page, but please read the instructions for reviewing before you make a comment. Thanks in advance for your assistance. — BQZip01 — talk 05:41, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * All of your comments have been addressed in the review. Would you feel comfortable in changing your Comment to Support and/or crossing out all items of yours that you feel have been reasonably addressed? — BQZip01 —  talk 22:41, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * As I said, I don't think I have enough expierence to give an up or down vote. I'd be happy to strike everything though. --YbborTalk 23:41, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks — BQZip01 —  talk 04:36, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey!
Thanxs for the personal message about the ACT image! I provided the source and fair use rationales. See you around in the future. =)  Jumping  cheese  21:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Normally I'm a big fan of templates, but WP:TEMPLAR has some merit. ;) --YbborTalk 02:07, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Gamerz Unlimited
Sorry for the misunderstanding regarding the gamerz unlimited entry. The actual number of online gamers is 908. Please visit gamerzunlimited.com to verify. Thank you in advance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.161.205.229 (talk) 03:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Quite frankly, 908 is nothing on the Internet. My favorite forum has over 100,000 members, and just barely survived a requests for deletion discussion. Alexa puts you at the 1,094,661th most visited site on the web, which is kind of down there. If every small forum on the web put their abbreviation on the disambiguation pages here, the enitre site would be unavigateable. Until you can establish notability, keep it off the disambiguation page. --YbborTalk  03:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

angry
I keep trying to make a wiki page but everyone is saying it is advertisement but they probably dont even look to see what they are deleting. Im just trying to create like some page with facts about the jothri website But it is not advertisement.I want my deleted page back.
 * I never called it an advertisement. but to be included in wikipedia, a subject needs to meet a threshold of notability. Are there any reliable secondary sources that discuss your website? --YbborTalk 21:13, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

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BLPN
http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/button_hr.png Horizontal line (use sparingly) Hi Ybbor, I think the issue with TD's personal info is resolved at this point. But as you opened the issue at BLPN, I wanted to ask if you concur before I archive it. Do you agree? btw, good work! R. Baley 17:16, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Mr. Baley, it would ok, as long as this principle is enforce with equal vigor by the editors of Wikipeida for the other non-notable victims subjects of wikpeida bios and not forgotten.TEAMCrocko 18:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Your WP:point is not lost on me. R. Baley 18:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah Bailey, that would be no problem with me.--YbborTalk 22:05, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Done, first time I've tried that. . .hope I did it right. R. Baley 23:01, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Straw dogs
meet me there TTBA, thanks.TEAMCrocko 18:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about. Unless you mean the pizza place. In any case, I pass. --YbborTalk 22:05, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your response to my comment on the village pump - I was not aware of the project you mentioned which looks v interesting Dr Spam (MD) 08:24, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for correcting my image on Gordon Mansfield. Please let me know if I need to do anything else. :) Kmangal 8:26, 05 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome :) But I have no idea what you're talking about ;) when did I ever touch the Mansfield image? --YbborTalk 00:36, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

thanks(reply)
(this is the reply to my question on the humanties page) This is not a homework question nor does it have to do with reading. It's an extra credit assignment and all I need is the three capitals that were made only because the national government took land from other territories.
 * Yes, and I told you exactly where to look. Category:Capital districts and territories. --YbborTalk 02:35, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:JIMBO
Personally I don't particularly have any objections to the change, but... the talk page of a redirect is not really an appropriate place to propose changing it. Don't be surprised if you get objections as people notice it —Random832 00:45, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * wait - has this REALLY been pointed at the user page and not the talk page since July? I swear I typed it in and got the talk page just this week. nevermind i guess. —Random832 00:46, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Congrats You
That's awesome! You think you'll go? Which school? Georgetown (as you have written) is a pretty cool place. And cool that it might have helped for the interview. They're trying hard this year to kill the party scene, which is too bad. Otherwise, and academically, it's a blast.--Patrick Ѻ 03:12, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

 * First off, don't worry about declaring majors, your only supposed to have that set Sophomore year, and even then it doesn't really matter. I added a double major my senior year, just for kicks, only to drop it before I graduated last May, so I was a government major with history and Italian minors.
 * GU v. GW: I recognize GW has some better politics classes and professors than GU has these days, and they've worked hard to get to (and above) GU's already very high level. That said, Georgetown still has a much better reputation nationally and especially internationally. GU also has the SFS, whose classes you can usually take. About being integrated into the city: They have a section of the city, and a central lawn around which many buildings are based, but it's still not a campus in the way Georgetown's is on one plot of land, with many lawns between buildings. Now, you call it an asset, but that's the main complaint I've heard about GW. Georgetown doesn't have a metro, as I think you investigated, they have free shuttles to two metros. Also we have at least on nationally competitive team, and I know of very few who given equal support, chose GW over GU.
 * About DC. You got museums, but no self respecting student visits them, 'cept on parent's weekend. The 9:30 Club is the best venue in DC, so watch their site for concerts. Buses are fine for getting around. Get yourself the $5 SmarTrip card (might come integrated with the Georgetown GOCard soon), which works on everything, including the oh so useful $1 Circulator buses that run Wisconsin to Union Station. Also, I find the Post's Going Out Guru's blog handy for what's new and where to take a date.  Good luck and hoya saxa!--Patrick Ѻ 21:28, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Hey. Sorry it took a while to respond, holidays and stuff have kept me of the 'pedia. I do have a job, I got one at a small PR firm here in Georgetown, and I'm pretty sure that the Georgetown name is strong here, since 5 out of the 6 other employees here in the DC branch have some connection to Georgetown.  But it's still more about what you want with the degree, and it's taken a while for many of my friends with similar degrees to settle.  One of my best friends has spent the better part of the last 7 months since graduation bouncing around, often at temp jobs with the IMF and World Bank, but they never want to hire long term.  The career center was generally of no use whatsoever, unless you're looking for NYC banking jobs.  True, their job listing site is alright (same as GW's), and I got mine through it, but mostly it seems geared for Merrill Lynch and Morgan Stanley, etc.  The only government related firms I remember them bringing to recruit on campus were these strategic risk analysis groups, and others that contracted for the State Dept.  They could get my friends summer internships on the hill with their congressman, but I was never interested in that kind of slavery.  So the big question: does the name matter?  It surely doesn't hurt, and I'd have to say every little edge helps in cutthroat competition.
 * Oh, and happy 2008! It will take some time before I'm used to typing that in the accessdate field on my references.--Patrick Ѻ 18:53, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Virtual Network Computing

Is VNC a Protocol or an Application?
The introductory paragraph describes VNC as a "system", but it's not clear whether that system is a protocol/standard or a software application. Obviously both the protocol and implementations exist, but is "VNC" the protocol or the application? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScribeMonk (talk • contribs) 05:29, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

 * According to MIT, VNC is the protocol formerly referred to as Remote Framebeffer (RFB) http://web.mit.edu/cdsdev/src/howitworks.html I can find no indication on this article as to when the shift from referring to the protocol as RFB to VNC was made (if in fact it was) but it appears that MIT copied this information from the original ORL website before they closed in 2002. Why then is it still referred to as RFB, even in RealVNC's March 2011 RFP? https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6143
 * As for the question of whether VNC is an application, I can say will all certainty that this is not the case. At the very least, if not a protocol in itself, VNC is a set of standards. The RFC mentioned above even refers to VNC as an authentication mechanism (VNC Authentication). WhiteWolf5 (talk) 20:11, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

(Untitled 1)
AFAIK VNC has limitations in comparison with Microsoft RDP do not allowing forwarding audio and having multiple sessions, maybe it should be noted in article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.212.29.92 (talk • contribs) 25 August 2005

 * RDP and other proprietary tools such as Timbuktu and GoToMyPC are worth mentioning. Multiple sessions are supported with most VNCs but AFAIK sound is not supported directly by any of them. Also there are quite a few VNC servers and clients not listed on the current tools page. Jruuska 16:21, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

(Untitled 2)
Also, worth mentioning NX/FreeNX, which compresses the X protocol transparently. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RichardNeill (talk • contribs) 18 October 2005

Back Orifice peer review
We are having a peer review for remote administration tool Back Orifice. We're hoping that you could join the discussion and give us some ideas, how to improve the article further. --Easyas12c 19:54, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

List of links
Please don't remove text or links from this wiki unless the text or links are inaccurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbostedor (talk • contribs)

 * Please see What Wikipedia is not. Particularly the section on "Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links..." AlistairMcMillan 16:44, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

If you'd like to start a campaign to remove all links from all subjects on wikipedia, be my guest but until then, please leave this topic alone. - George MacDonald - 20 January 2006 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.13.81.74 (talk • contribs)

 * I agree. If someone posts links here that provide no value and are not related to VNC, they should be removed but the links that where removed by Alistair where clearly not wiki spam and contained valued information about VNC in addition to third party VNC helpers.  Unless more people agre with him, I will continue to revert back to how it was before this whole drama began.

 * Remember that wiki spam is characterized by links that are OUT OF CONTEXT with the subject of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbostedor (talk • contribs)

 * I can see where both parties are coming from. Wiki spam is going crazy.  I reviewed the edits and I don't see any valdalism by either party.  I believe that we all have the same goals here.  Let's keep it how it was unless more than one person has a problem with it. - Brad Koffman —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.250.10.121 (talk • contribs)

 * And if any of you had any edits that didn't involve adding links to vncscan then you might have a credible argument. Every single link to vncscan is going to be removed.  Please find somewhere else to advertise your product.  Wikipedia is not that place. AlistairMcMillan 12:05, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Alistar, you could not be more wrong, my friend. Nobody here cares about an individual project as far as I can tell.  I checked all of the reversions of your edits and the people who are reverting your edits are putting back about 15 links to different projects and not just VNCScan.  Why do you single out that one project?  None of our edits have anything to do with a single project.  We could care less about vncscan.  I've never even used it before.

 * Also keep in mind that at the bottom of the page remains a list of links to other commercial software like PC Anywhere. You are very inconsistant.  You can't eliminate just the software that you have a problem with.  It sounds like you are workng for a competitor to VNCScan and are trying to harm their reputation.  We don't want that garbage here.

 * I am going to revert it back to the way that it was before you started your campaign, also. We would all appreciate it if you would please take your campaign to another topic and leave this one alone.  It was doing just fine before you arrived.  You are harming the usefulness of wikipedia when you take information away from the site unwaranted.  - Brad Koffman —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.250.10.121 (talk • contribs)

 * I take it you are aware that your edit history is recorded on Wikipedia . Would you please point to an edit that doesn't involve vncscan? AlistairMcMillan 15:20, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

 * To Sbostedor: External links are supposed to point readers to websites that will give them more information about the articles subject. A list of software that uses the VNC protocol does not inform the reader in any way about VNC. AlistairMcMillan 15:25, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I've posted this on RFC to see if we can get some more opinions on the matter. AlistairMcMillan 15:33, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Brad, I'm sure that you didn't realize but I do work for VNCScan although this should not come into play here because none of my edits promote VNCScan in any way. When I reverted something back, I reverted all of the links back to how they have always been and not just VNCScan.  I'm not sure what is motivating this Alistair guy but I hope that everyone realizes that Bozteck would never involved ourselves in link spam!

 * I wouldn't go as far as saying that he's a competitor that is trying to damage us but I do think that he is out of line here. I understand that he doesn't want it to be a link farm and we can keep it that way by only posting links that contain information or projects relating to VNC that the reader would be interested in. If someone posts a link to viagra, we should get rid of it, of course.  - Steve --Sbostedor 15:38, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Guys,
 * I've done some thinking about this issue and I think that we can all come to a compromise by only removing links to commercial software from the links (including VNCScan). It was never our intent to spam the wiki.  The link to VNCScan has been in this article for over a year and nobody has had a problem with it until now because the VNCScan website has a wealth of VNC information that many have found very useful.

 * Since this is such a problem, now, I am fine with removing the link but all other non-free software must also be removed. If there is an informational page on the VNCScan website, a link may be provided to that page but not to any page that promotes VNCScan.

 * I believe that this will make everyone happy. I will make the edits today.

--Sbostedor 16:30, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Commercial or not?
I added a link to TightVNC, but it quickly got removed by Nathanrdotcom saying that "commercial links — or links to your own private websites" is not allowed. I find this very strange. www.tightvnc.com is hardly my private website. It's not very commercial either - you can't buy anything! Speaking of commercial sites, though, please note that RealVNC IS commercial. As a side note, I don't understand how it could be called more "official" than other implementations. I think there are many valid reasons to link to the TightVNC web site. TightVNC is highly popular - it has been selected as "Project of the month" on Sourceforge and is the 9th most popular project on Freshmeat.net! RealVNC, as a comparision, is on place 119. --PeterAstrand 08:22, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Note for RFC visitors
Please note that User:Sbostedor is Steve Bostedor, owner and founder of Bozteck that produces vncscan.

 * User:24.236.166.45 (Talk | Contribs)
 * User:68.77.109.142 (Talk | Contribs)
 * User:68.250.10.121 (Talk | Contribs)
 * User:68.255.80.245 (Talk | Contribs)
 * User:69.208.243.57 (Talk | Contribs)
 * User:69.210.24.137 (Talk | Contribs)
 * User:69.210.25.221 (Talk | Contribs)
 * User:71.13.81.74 (Talk | Contribs)
 * User:Sbostedor (Talk | Contribs)

Please check these editors contributions. AlistairMcMillan 15:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

 * For what it is worth, the vncscan link was first added by User:68.250.10.121 in this May 2005 edit. AlistairMcMillan 16:25, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Lots of these links where created by people with no affiliation to the projects. Was the compromise not good enough for you, Alistair?  Why do you continue to defame? --Sbostedor 16:58, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Rules for internal links are different from the rules for external links. If you think there is a problem with the links on the template then please go and edit the template. AlistairMcMillan 18:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

It sounds to me like sbostedor is a victim of discrimination by Alistair. Who made Alistar the King of the Wiki, anyways? You need to get a life, bro! VNC is much bigger than your own little desires. Why isn't he complaining about any of the other commercial software links? Maybe because he either works for one of them or he has stock in a competing product? This all sounds very fishy to me! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.77.109.142 (talk • contribs)

 * Please try to remember to sign your contributions. Please also try to understand the difference between internal and external links.  Also if you are aware of a group of editors who are spamming a commercial link somewhere else then please let me know and I'll deal with them in exactly the same way.  BTW Funny that you misspelled my name in exactly the same way that Steve misspelled it.  We have rules against Sock puppetry.  AlistairMcMillan 20:25, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

This is stupid, guys. It looks like everyone got what they wanted so just walk away. alistair, I thought that you had a point until I see you persist at being a total jerk on here. You're ruining this website. Please leave. I've seen this requested by a few different IP addresses so far so catch a hint where you're not wanted.

I will delete this shortly. It does this topic no good to see a bunch of bickering about stupid shit.

--12.111.239.3 23:41, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

 * If you delete the discussion on this page again you will be banned for vandalism and it will be reverted. AlistairMcMillan 00:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Guys, Please stop this insanity! I believe that Alistair just wants to do his part to keep wikipedia from turning into a spam fest. After putting myself in his shoes, I completely understand why he jumped on this so strongly. I've removed the commercial software links and I believe that the case is closed here. Please leave him alone and move on. Thank you --Sbostedor 09:44, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Sounds good, Steve. I admire your candidness here along with Alistair's patience with how heated this got.   I really don't understand why a VNC related project that charges vs. one that doesn't should be treated any differently but this isn't my web site to have any say.

 * Good luck to everyone and I'm glad that this issue has been resolved. P.S. - I don't see the misspelling that was supposed to tie Steve to one of the other posters.  Even if it exists, it's probably a coincidence.  There’s only so many ways that you can phonetically misspell Alistair. =D (George) --71.13.81.74 23:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Response to RfC
Move the RealVNC link down to the "external links" section, and get rid of everything else in the list of implementations. We're not here to try to replace the Open Directory Project. --Carnildo 06:20, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Sounds good to me. AlistairMcMillan 19:52, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Similarities to X
VNC seems to have much in common with the X protocol, but there's nothing in the VNC article about it. Should there be a discussion about the similarities and differences? (I know little or nothing about VNC, though I do know a little about X.) Wocky 09:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

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Need some links in this article about how to VNC. And VNC over SSH. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.48.105.242 (talk • contribs) 14:25 06 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree. This is not the place for tutorials. Try Google. Lambyuk 19:25, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Cabal case
Hi. I'm a mediator from the mediation cabal and I saw the start of a filing. Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-05-02 TightVNC link on VNC page A few comments:
 * 1) This is a very low activity article for mediation.  Mediation can involve a lot of time.  Are you sure discussion or a neutral 3rd party isn't a better option?
 * 2) There doesn't seem to have been any real attempt to discuss this issue.  The link was created then deleted and a complaint filled
 * 3) You have an experienced administrator monitoring the group, AlistairMcMillan.  Why not make use of his experience and knowledge?

I'm going to close this case out. If after really thinking about it this seems worth doing then I (or someone else) will be happy to mediate, but there hasn't been any real effort at dispute resolution prior to this case being opened. jbolden1517Talk 17:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

VNC Security
"As with any server software, if the port used by this service is explicitly blocked by a firewall it is practically impossible to break into the service. In other words a network administrator has to enable firewalling for 5901 on the local router in order to prevent access from outside the LAN."

While such a security measure would disallow direct access to the service (from the internet), Any other service which is compromised, which can be accessed from the internet and has access to the LAN, would defeat such a measure (Especially SSH or HTTPS (eg via a compromised CGI program), as encrypted connections are hidden even from IDS and other security systems involving packet inspection systems, assuming an IDS was configured to detect VNC), and then there's always the option of getting a direct ethernet connection the the LAN with a bit of social engineering. Therefore, "practically impossible" is incorrect.

It's also lacking a citation. Hydroksyde 03:55, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

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Proposed "VNC Loop" merge
This is with regards to the request by William Graham to merge VNC Loop into this article. It must be noted that they used to be merged, but VNC Loop was separated into its own article. --Amit 03:02, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I would support them being merged. Not sure VNC Loop should merit it's own article --Bill.matthews 14:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I'd oppose merger. And if people don't think VNC Loop merits its own article then perhaps it should be marked for deletion.  I get that being able to do this with VNC is amusing - for all of ten seconds - but it really doesn't need to be explained in such great detail.  Also "VNC Loop" would appear to be a neologism. AlistairMcMillan 18:04, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm for the merger. Yes, it's surely a neologism (and a self-explaining one). A google search suggests that it's mostly regarded as an amusing effect (but not too different from putting two mirrors or a TV camera and monitor face to face) and a potential way to swamp down a system. The latter information deserves mention in the VNC article (a section?), but definitely not a stub without hope of further growth. arielCo 15:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Just a shame that we have rules against neologisms. AlistairMcMillan 17:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

 * It is the effect that deserves mention. The term "VNC Loop" is just used to reference the effect. If avoiding neologisms is a serious concern in this case, it should be merged. --Amit 22:36, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

 * the "vnc loop" idea is really not related to VNC - it is a generic video feedback phenomenon that has existed since a video camera was first pointed at a video monitor. It should be marked for deletion and not clutter up the VNC article.  There is probably another article that talks about the general phenomenon. User:Nealmcb 04:40, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Probably another article? Let's be certain here. If there is a proper general article, VNC Loop could go there as an example of the phenomenon, but otherwise the info shouldn't be lost. ---Amit 07:37, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

 * It should not be merged. But some information about vnc should be present in the vnc loopback article. Phoe6 14:39, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I would suppose a merge would be good unless, as stated above, an article for the general phenomenon could be found and the VNC loop be incorporated as a specific instance of that. It is after all a VNC-related phenomenon. Also as stated above, this information should not be lost, so please merge rather than delete. Qwertyca 23:40, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

 * There is a general "optical feedback" article which probably deserves mention of the effect, but it doesn't seem okay to move all of the content from VNC Loop into that article. --Amit 06:35, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Summary
Users unconditionally supporting the merger: Users opposing the merger:
 * 1) William Graham
 * 2) Bill.matthews
 * 3) arielCo
 * 1) AlistairMcMillan
 * 2) Nealmcb
 * 3) Phoe6

So what happened to the VNC loop page? it's gone and not integrated into this article either!? 165.230.46.159 23:04, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

 * It's gone entirely thanks to AlistairMcMillan who insisted that it did not meet the WP:VERIFY criteria. As per AlistairMcMillan, any amount of user consensus to merge the article is insufficient to overrule WP:VERIFY. There were sources - forums, personal pages, and Flickr, but as per AlistairMcMillan, all of them don't count, presumably because they are not reliable enough. So it's okay to include in WP stupid shit like Kerry and Bush calling each other crazy, liars, and asking for BS apologies, but it's not okay to include VNC Loop in WP. --Amit 23:56, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

WP:VERIFY is one of the three content policies of Wikipedia. It clearly states "Articles should contain only material that has been published by reliable sources." It later clarifies "reliable sources": "Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." Of the three types of sources you mention above (forums, personal pages and Flickr), do you really think any of them come close to meeting that standard?

Also I'm sorry but I don't think there is a "user consensus should over-rule WP:VERIFY" policy, perhaps you could try proposing it somewhere. AlistairMcMillan 01:54, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

screenshot
Is censoring the screenshot really nessessary? Hundreds of articles on Wikipedia contain screenshots of copyrighted software. I didn't know it was a big problem.72.43.196.123 21:24, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

How about a screen shot in English? 69.177.106.166 (talk) 20:28, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

remote sound and graphics
Could someone perhaps add an entry to this article explaining how to also get remote sound in addition to the graphics please? --Rebroad 14:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I started RealVNC article
I just started the RealVNC article, because people don't think it belongs here (Virtual Network Computing), but I think it still deserves mention on Wikipedia, especially if UltraVNC has its own article. Feel free to improve it. --Spoon! 04:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

"Comparison of VNC software" section
The external links in this section are inappropriate per WP:EL and WP:NOT. I'm removing the links, leaving the red links to what may become real articles. --Ronz 21:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Seeking details on VNC protocols
I came to the VNC page seeking details on how it works, specifically in regards to which protocols are commonly used, and how they are implemented. How is raw scanline data formatted? How does hextile work? These are things I want to know, and I think they are relevant. Is this the correct place to find this information? If it is, then I hope somebody more experienced than myself can contribute. Otherwise, I will do my best to add to this article. iridium 20:55, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Merge proposal for comparison of VNC software
I created comparison of remote desktop software today before I had seen the comparison of VNC software section. I think a comparison of all types of remote desktop software would be more useful to most potential users than the narrow comparison of VNC software, (even if my initial attempt is rubbish and clearly should be redesigned), so I propose this merge. Of course we could try to have both, but that would be redundant and could lead to inconsistency and duplication of effort.—greenrd 01:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and completed this merger, as it seems sensible. --MaTrIx 04:23, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Compatible Systems?
How about a list of systems which a VNC program is available for? I'd put it on myself but I don't know which systems it's available for. Include things like Symbian OS and Windows Mobile (if they're available)

-Forlornity 87.82.6.16 20:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

 * That information is in Comparison of remote desktop software (there is a link to that article in this one).—greenrd 20:41, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I last looked at this article back in early 2006 and found it useful. Today, it is the victim of so much heavy handed "correctness" that it is disorganized and difficult to follow. I find it ironic that a semi-automatic Java editor (a dead machine, in other words) is showing more common sense, flexibility and reader orientation in its suggestions than some of the folks who have worked this article over. Is there any point in my even trying to restore some order and structure or is everyone still poised to remove and delete everything? The rules are there to keep Wikepedia useful, but it seems as if all sides looked until they found a rule- or three- which permitted them to gut whatever body of text they wanted to get rid of. I'll give it a week or two and if it looks safe, I'll try to make things a bit more accessable.Panthera germanicus 10:58, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Contradicting information on who created VNC
In the introduction: VNC was originally developed at AT&T.

In the History section: VNC was created at the Olivetti & Oracle Research Lab, which was then owned by Olivetti and Oracle Corporation.

These seem pretty contradictionary, could someone clarify who actually made it? --Munksgaard 18:59, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

 * It does seam contradictory, I would go with the history section, becuase it goes on to say in the History section: In 1999 AT&T acquired the lab, and in 2002 closed down the lab's research efforts.

 * The official VNC mailing list only goes back to Feb 1998, and they are already talking about VNC version 3.3

 * The introduction was added in this revision . The history section was added in this revision . So the contradiction has existed for over 3 years.

 * I've added a Self-contradictory template --Phiren (talk) 00:31, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

VNC port numbers and IANA registry
The only port number that is officially registered with Internet_Assigned_Numbers_Authority for use by VNC is port 5900. Mentioning other ports that could be assigned to other protocols at any time (including 5901-5906 and 5800-5806) might mislead users into trusting it is safe to use those ports, and then a port conflict could result on their system or in practice. IMHO, the main article should either only document the official port, or mention that use (abuse) of the unassigned port numbers may change or be incompatible with other things in the future. --Cjnifty 20:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Playing games through VNC?
I have a question, is it possible to play games on a weak computer if the weak computer is connected to one that is capable of playing games? I would use the stronger computer to run the game and the weaker of the two to control it, although I it'd make a lot more sense if things were rendered locally, so I might be out of luck on that one. I can't try this out myself but it'd be very interesting to find out. :) 84.216.46.57 (talk) 17:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

 * I have no particular experience of this but I doubt that it would work satisfactorily, if at all. You network link is slow compared to a video card bus - this isn't really a problem for business style apps or graphically straightforward games such as solitaire.  Not the case with full motion video and/or 3D rendering so the frame rate would drop considerably.  I doubt it would work in the first place though - when I've tried similar with Terminal Services and a fairly graphically undemanding game, it flatly refused to work.  Like many games it needed DirectX and neither system provides a DirectX link to the remote video card, even if such a link is theoretically possible. CrispMuncher (talk) 12:55, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

RealVNC Personal and Enterprise edtions
since Google considers VNC and RealVNC as same, and dedicated RealVNC page looks not mature yet, i'm raising this question here

Could someone please explain if commercial editions are actual GPL violations or not, given the following facts:  original AT&T lab's VNC code covered by GPL derivative RealVNC Free edtiton code covered by GPL derivatives RealVNC Personal and Enterprise editions appears to be not covered  most probably commercial and free editions are sharing same covered code. doesnt it make commercial editions covered too? i dont see any mentioning of dual licensing on their website... --Al Leween (talk) 18:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Only the copyright holders have standing to sue, if they think there have been any copyright violations. In the absence of a lawsuit or at least allegation from the copyright holders, it would be libellous to make such allegations ourselves. This is for a very good reason - the copyright holders might have given permission. We can't know that (unless, of course, we know that the copyright holders are the same people as the people selling proprietary software!) - only the copyright holders can know that. This is an all-purpose reply without any reference to the facts of the case, and is not legal advice, and anyway I am not a lawyer.—greenrd (talk) 19:16, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

 * My guess is that RealVNC own the copyright and the protocol specification (presumably as successors in interest to AT&T) and hence they can re-licence the code as they see fit. RealVNC is essentially the same team that wrote VNC in the first place at AT&T. The fact that they don't mention that a non-GPL version is available doesn't mean it isn't. Assuming I am right, their commercial version is definitely legal. All GPLed extensions of the original GPLed code are also legal (TightVNC etc) as the GPL allows this. I assume that all the other commercial versions either have done one of three things:
 * Purchased non-GPL licences from RealVNC.
 * Include the GPLed VNC in complete, separate and redistributable form and wrap their commercial product around it (as many PDF tools do with Ghostscript).
 * Allow their entire product to become GPLed by inclusion of the GPLed VNC code. This would not prevent them selling it. All they would have to do is make source code available. If their software works in conjunction with a subscription based service (in the style of GoToMyPC or LogMeIn) then users will still need to buy subscriptions, so their revenue would not be affected by the software being GPLed.
 * This is an interesting question, given that so many commercial remote access tools seem to be partially VNC based. We shouldn't include any speculative information in the article but if anybody can find solid reference material on this subject then it would be worth including. (BTW: I renamed the section because I don't want us to go off topic arguing about the supposedly "viral" effects of the GPL.) --DanielRigal (talk) 20:13, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Enterprise and Personal are not covered under the GPL as they don't contain the code from Free, that is my understanding. They're separate bits of software.82.71.34.4 (talk) 01:19, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

 * RealVNC Ltd (RealVNC is a company, not a product) owns the trademark to VNC and RFB, all copyrights, and owns/maintains the protocol standard. As such, they're fit to modify and release VNC Free Edition as non-GPL commercial/proprietary software. In all reality, VNC Enterprise Edition is now so far from the original VNC Free Edition code it's an entirely different product.

Non-RealVNC commercial VNC products would likely be challenged by VNC. There are however commercial products *based* on certain aspects of the VNC or RFB protocols, but are products in their own right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.44.6.81 (talk) 11:01, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Security
Does the line "Hamachi has been purchased by LogMeIn and is no longer freeware, though it's free for non-commercial use." in the security section add any value to the VNC article. Its true (no doubt about that) but this is not the place. It should be removed. Raoravikiran (talk) 10:12, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Accuracy of history and references
This may be incorrect but I believe VNC was created by Bell Labs sometime in the 1980s. Whether or not this is true, the article needs historical references to support whatever is claimed. It ought to be removed otherwise, or expressed as folklore. Kernel.package (talk) 23:41, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes you are wrong. You have missed the historical references (such as the original paper) that are linked to within the article. It does not need more proof that VNC was developed at ORL in the 1990s. 82.71.34.4 (talk) 22:59, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

list of VNC software
Someone should add a list of the different VNC's available. Here are some, TightVNC, RealVNC, UltraVNC. iPad VNC viewers VNC Pocket Office Pro — Preceding unsigned comment added by Parystec (talk • contribs) 17:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC) Sherzad (talk) 00:09, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Actual years in history section
"at a time when Olivetti and Oracle Corporation owned the lab" And WHEN was that? Sheesh, have you not had history in school? It's full of actual dates, unlike this article. "When Olivetti and Oracle owned the lab" tells me nothing. And especially not about when VNC was designed/invented. Pre 2002 is all I can tell from this section. jae (talk) 21:40, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

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L'École des fans (French for School of Fans) was a French TV show that was hosted by Jacques Martin from 1976 to 1998 on Antenne 2 then France 2.

A number of children between the ages of three and ten took part in the show, during which Martin first asked them some questions and then invited each of them in turn to sing a song of the featured singer.

The other children then gave marks to their peers for their performance after which, if the marks were far-off, Martin would ask them why they give such and such mark, usually leading to funny or cute explanations. Then Martin would count the marks with the singer and, invariably, everyone won with the same mark. At the end of the show they would receive a number of gifts. This was a very children-friendly show.

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