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Talk:Wuthering Heights (song)

Move?
Perhaps this should be moved to the page devoted to the album. Paul Klenk

Maybe, i'm just trying to tidy up the Wuthering Heights from the Brontë novel, I'll think about it after i'm finished. Cokehabit 23:02, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, the song was not inspired by the 1939 film, but rather 1971 Timothy Dalton TV version of the story. Kate has mentioned this several times, and quotes about this are collected hereK8 fan 02:56, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think someone with more editing skills than me could add the info about the remake of the song. Ms Bush herself has said that she found the 1978 recording much too old-fashioned by now, and wanted a re-made version: http://children.ofthenight.org/cloudbusting/music/wuthering_heights_new_vocal_.html (BTW, it is indeed MILES better, not so "muffled" in sound anymore) -andy 80.129.73.125 22:06, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

I put all of the text "the novel of the same name" inside the link to Wuthering Heights. I felt that just having the word "novel" in there made it look like it was a link to the page for novel. Hammerite 18:42, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Removing Within Temptation
I am removing Within Temptation as a band which has done a cover of Wuthering Heights. None of their fans seems to know about it, and there are no independent sources on the net confirming that they have indeed recorded the song. They did make a cover of Running Up That Hill, though, which may explain the confusion. I may be wrong, of course, but I doubt it. --Thf1977 08:54, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps more could be discussed about the two different videos issued for the said track as not many people know about the second video

Also Placebo didnt cover this, they also only covered Running Up That Hill. Im not taking it off in case I'm wrong, but a simple Google search will tell you the same thing I should think :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.65.133.3 (talk) 13:41, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Tupac?
Is that bit about Tupac Shakur vandalism? As much as I think its probably total bullsh*t doubt its veracity, I hesitate to delete it on the chance that someone meant it genuinely. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 167.83.10.20 (talk) 18:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC).

It is true http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcz1yV6vRks --J2 21:34, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

NPOV issue?
"Wuthering Heights eventually lost its crown...". "To lose the crown" ... well I do not think this is a neutral POV? -andy 91.32.76.200 16:22, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

 * It's only really a case of questionable POV if you think it implies that the writer (me) was pleased to see "Wuthering Heights" at No.1 and sad when it was no longer there. Yes I did feel that way although I did not intend the wording of the article to reflect this, and in any case I thought that "Matchstalk Men..." which took over at the top, was a better record. Any No.1 record "loses its crown" when it falls from the top, whether it's a good record or a crap one. It's just an expression. Personally I think many people make too much of the POV issue, and though there are no hard feelings, this has to be one of the pettiest examples I've yet come across.

Release date
I've actually put this on the Kate Bush discussion, but perhaps feel that it's more appropriate here. The Whole Story album states that the single was released originally in November '77. Does this mean that it was re-released in early '78? I'll look into it a bit more, but if anyone knows right off, then that'd be handy. It would also mean that the song was originally a flop and should be mentioned in the article in some way.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 22:25, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I believe the original early pressings were made in 1977 when it was released to radio, but EMI didn't want it to get lost in the Christmas market, so the full release came in the new year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.161.64.66 (talk) 21:50, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

 * The article had previously said 5 January 1978 but has been changed to 20 January - I wonder though if that is a difference between UK and US releases ? -- Beardo (talk) 05:38, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

 * Note the article this: "The single was initially scheduled for 4 November 1977. However, Bush was unhappy with the cover and insisted it be replaced. Some copies of the single had already been sent out to radio stations, but EMI relented and put back the single's launch until the New Year." So no surprise there is confusion over whether it was a 1977 single or a 1978 single. Certainly it was a hit only in 1978. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:53, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

The guitarist on this track is Ian Bairnson, not David Gilmour
I'd edit this myself, but I'm lazy and forgot my login. Please refer to the article for The Kick Inside. There is an external link to an interview with the engineer who recorded this album, and he clearly states that the lead guitarist was Ian Bairnson, best known for his work with the Alan Parsons Project. In fact, he expresses regret at not having mixed Bairnson's solo higher. I don't think he'd be apologizing about it to this day if it wasn't really Bairnson playing on that track. In theory Gilmour *could* have played on The Kick Inside - he had just finished the Animals tour with Pink Floyd - but he was probably off on his yacht, taking a holiday before recording his first solo album later that year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.243.131.36 (talk) 08:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Out of lip-sinc
in the other [videoclip], the singer lip-syncs in an outdoor environment while wearing a red dress, the aricle says. It's At 0.48 and 3.00 it's clearly not sync. Also there are cuts to a more total shot, at moments the lip-sync seems to (start) fail, as if the director wants to hide errors. Anyway, it's not that important, but then it should not be written. It's just a play-back, not the best example of lip-sync. Propose to delete the words. -DePiep (talk) 12:53, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Fair enough. Changed.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 15:09, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Re-recording
The article briefly mentions that KB re-recorded the song in 1986 but gives no explanation. I vaguely remember that there was some issue with rights to the song which required it to be re-recorded but I can't find any info and may be mistaken. Some people prefer the original and some the re-recording, but the article would be improved by an explanation of why it took place. --80.176.142.11 (talk) 16:16, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Not aware of any issues since Bush wrote the song and was on the same record label. It was only the vocals the were re-recorded, so it's unlikely.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 09:22, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

The song was re-recorded because Kate Bush didn't like her vocal on the original recording, it sounded too child-like to her. She stated that at the time.Ugo1970 (talk) 13:37, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

"Mispronunciation of title word"
...really? I just hear her singing it in a Home Counties accent :p Either way, it's unsourced, save for a link confirming the existence of the Italian edition. Sordyne (talk) 21:24, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, for the "unsourced" claim you may actually be right, because the interview I mention happened in 1978 and it's nowhere to be found (RAI didn't often keep archive materials). But I do remember Kate stating in that interview that she didn't know about the correct pronunciation. Ugo1970 (talk) 14:43, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

 * I just read that paragraph while listening to the song, she does not mispronounce it, and it's nothing like the "Wathering" claimed in the para. I'll remove that para as unsourced. DuncanHill (talk) 01:48, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

 * Surely Bush's exuberant, even eccentric, vocal style lends itself to all kinds of "mis-pronunciations"? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:17, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

China Drum
I was just wondering why the China Drum cover that made it to #65 in the UK charts was not on the covers list. I know it wasn't the best selling recording but it was certainly a staple of 90s alternative discos and the version that first got me interested in KB. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.105.160.33 (talk) 15:32, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Lyrics Section
Can someone point out to me the moment in the chorus where the phrase "Let me in! I'm so cold!" is sung? So far as I've ever heard it, or seen the lyrics laid out, it goes: "Heathcliff! It's me, Cathy, I've come home! I'm so cold. Let me in your window (with melisma)." Not nitpicking, but those just aren't the lyrics. o0drogue0o 11:30, 19 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by O0drogue0o (talk • contribs)

Inspired by 1967 BBC mini-series
Here is why this song wasn't inspired by the 1970 film with Timothy Dalton as Heathcliff, as the article previously stated.

Some statements by Kate Bush about the origin of the song:
 * "And ah, and really what sparked that off was a TV thing I saw as a young child."
 * "Well, it was originally from a TV series years ago and I'd just caught the very end of it. And it was like really freaky, cause there's this hand coming through the window and whispering voices and I've always been into that sort of thing you know and it just hung around in my head."
 * "I developed a kind of fascination with Cathy after I saw the last 10 minutes of the television series where she was at the window and cutting herself with the glass. It always stuck in my brain."

Why the BBC mini-series of 1967 was most likely her inspiration:
 * Kate Bush said the song was inspired by a television series. The only TV adaptation of WH she could have meant is the 1967 BBC series. The film featuring Timothy Dalton came out in 1970 and I guess it wasn't shown on TV until a few years later.
 * Kate Bush said she saw the series as a young child. She would have been 9 years old when the TV series came out and almost 12 when the film started its run in cinemas.
 * The 1970 film doesn't show a hand coming through a window, whispering voices and Cathy cutting herself with the glass - at least not in the last ten to twenty minutes. The 1967 series shows all those things.
 * In the TV series Cathy's spirit says something like: "I'm Catherina Earnshaw. I've come back home. I got lost in the moors. Let me in!" which is strikingly similar to Kate Bush's lyrics.

You can watch the scene here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrXlc_Df9J0#t=1509 It starts at about 24:00. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.188.190.49 (talk) 14:19, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Time signatures
I have been unable to find a valid source to add the follwing fact: the song shifts time signatures from 4/4 to 2/4, 3/4, and back to 4/4.Design (talk) 08:05, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

U.S. Chart Performance
Why is there no mention of the song's performance on the United States' charts? Gil gosseyn (talk) 05:32, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Apparently the single failed to chart in North America, although I can't immediately find a WP:RELIABLE source for that. Muzilon (talk) 02:42, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The song reached number 8 on the Bubbling Under chart in November 1978, charting for one week total. The stat likely isn't in the article because Billboard's web archive only goes as far back as 1992 (iirc) for the Bubbling Under chart, making finding older charts difficult.
 * I'm total shit at CSS so I haven't added this to the article itself, but the link below is to Joel Whitburn's book 'Joel Whitburn's Bubbling Under the Hot 100, 1959-1981'. It lists the chart performance of "Heights" on page 26. Someone who knows what they are doing can add this information. :)
 * https://archive.org/details/joelwhitburnsbub0000whit/page/26/mode/2up TempestOfDust (talk) 06:27, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 * How about the Canadian charts? Muzilon (talk) 22:43, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Golden Globe Award for Best Actor in a Motion Picture – Drama

Disambiguation
Many of the film titles here need disambiguation. I might get around to it later, but it would probably go faster if a film buff did it. LizardWizard 22:56, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Layout rehaul
The layout was restyled recently but the italicized format of the films was not kept. This needs to be changed (I may get round to it but there are too many to go through.) Feudonym (talk) 04:33, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Academy Award mention
What is the point of pointing out the Academy Award winners? How is that Notable at all in this article? That is just cruft. Feed back  ☎ 03:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

I know I pointed this out a year ago, but it's still true. Feed back  ☎ 17:49, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2019
Adding 2020 nominations Thesmarm (talk) 15:00, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2019
Year of current nominees should be 2019. 2018 is listed twice 64.60.138.162 (talk) 20:56, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ MadGuy7023 (talk) 21:27, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2019
Javier Bardem won the award in 2004, though it highlights DiCaprio for "The Aviator". Highlight should be modified to reflect Bardem 47.153.181.240 (talk) 06:11, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
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Talk:Joliet (file system)

Merge
Should merge with ISO 9660 — Claunia 22:56, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Are there patents covering the the Joliet ISO 9660 Extension?
Does somebody know if FAT-Joliet patents applies also for ISO 9660-Joliet? faragon 0:52, 12 April 2009 (UTC+2)

 * Seems that it is covered US Patent 5758352 - Common name space for long and short filenames, so some trick has to be done in order to avoid the patent. 1:03, 12 April 2009 (UTC+2)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Faragon (talk • contribs)

 * That patent doesn't cover Joliet in general, as Joliet doesn't specify anything except what is done inside the context of the supplementary volume descriptor, as far as I can see. But if you create a Joliet CD, it has to have a Primary Volkume Descriptor, which means that the long file names in the Joliet section need to be transformed into shorter file name, and in a way that doesn't cause name collisions. The patent cited covers one (or more) methods for doing that.Athulin (talk) 07:27, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

(file system) vs. (ISO 9660 Extension)
Joliet (ISO 9660 Extension) redirects to Joliet (file system) - I'm going to swap these around, as (file system) is inaccurate, afaik: Joliet is not a self-contained file system. '(ISO 9660 Extension)' seems a good extension to settle on (see Category:ISO_9660_extensions). I'm just announcing ahead of time incase there are objections. -- Jon Dowland 14:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I think it is better to merge, but, it is a step.—Claunia 14:58, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Most disc creation software creates...
I don't think it's accurate to say "Most disc-creation software creates both Joliet and Rock Ridge extensions on the disc". Common Microsoft Windows based disc-creation software just creates standard ISO9660 and Joliet.

 * Agreed (neither Nero nor EZ CD Creator, both for Windows, nor Toast nor Apple's CD creation API, both for Mac OS, do this). I'll change that. -- Tempel 07:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

What happened to the Romeo filesystem?
Does anyone knows what happened to the Romeo Filesystem? At the time of Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 95/98, Romeo was he filesystem of choice to record files with names of 128 characters. However, I have noticed that not only Romeo has disappeared, but newer version of recording softwares (such as Nero) supports Joliet filesystems with filenames longer than 64 char long (the originaly supported). --Pinnecco 23:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Romeo broke the backward compatibility to DOS and other systems as it didn't contain ISO 9660 file system. Joilet is the combination of Romeo and ISO 9660 and cutting the file name space in half from 128 to 64 chars to save the place for ISO 9660.--80.171.118.114 (talk) 19:17, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That information is wrong. ISO9660 allows for several list of files, the primary plus several secondary or extended ones. On the primary it clearly specifies a limit of 30 characters (ISO level 2, there is a level 1 that limits the filename to 8.3 characters) in a range that is mostly only caps and numbers. On the secondaries it allows any codepage that has an ISO escape code and filenames, with the same filename size limit (that would be 30 bytes in most codepages and a maximum of 60 bytes on some codepages, like chinese ones), while on the extended ones the limit is upped to 207 bytes.
 * Romeo uses a codepage in the primary list of files, without specifying which one, and allowing longer filenames. This is more a side effect of how invalid data in the ISO9660 structures is handled. DOS and other operating systems reserve a certain size to the filename they expect to read, so DOS will only see 8.3 filenames (ISO level 1) and Mac OS 9 and earlier will see up to 31 characters (one more than ISO level 2). They will also expect the codepage to be ASCII. Windows NT driver however, will read the whole filename (that is maximum 207 bytes) and use the current user codepage to convert it to the internal UCS-2 representation. . Allowing this behavior, instead of enforcing ISO9660 restrictions, is basically Romeo.
 * Joliet on the other hand, uses a secondary list of files with the UCS-2 encoding with a file name limit of 128 bytes (instead of the 30 characters defined by ISO9660). They did this instead of using an extended list of files, because extended lists where not defined in ISO9660 by the time they created Joliet.
 * In any case, both Romeo and Joliet violate the ISO9660 specification, and both could be implemented using ISO9660 provided structures as a conformant extension, but they were not done so, one because "it was already there" and the other because it could not be so as it predates the allowances.
 * Also the thing is that while technically you can have a fully compliant ISO9660 disc that contains filenames in 8.3 ASCII, plus 30 Cyrillic characters, plus 128 chinese characters, there is no software that allows you to create such a disc, neither it is supported by any implementation I know of (I would need to handcraft one such disc myself to test, as said, no software can create it, but neither Linux or Windows available source code show it would work). However, it will work on any implementation, even DOS, because the primary list of files conforms to ISO Level 1 (8.3 ASCII), and it will just ignore the secondary and extended lists. Again, Romeo is incompatible with some OSes because it uses the primary list with incorrect data.
 * Claunia (talk) 14:04, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Naming?
Why is it called Joliet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.212.160 (talk) 08:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

 * In case someone still wants to know: It's because first someone "invented" the "Romeo" extension to ISO 9660. Don't remember the full story on that one any more, though. Maybe Google will help to lighten up this mystery. Tempel (talk) 00:18, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

 * The Joliet.doc file, present in the Microsoft Windows 95 DDK, does not contain any obvious information as to the origin of the name. In the file metadata, however, there is a comment, saying "Joliet is a small town just outside of Chicago, where a man named Jake did some time in The Blues Brothers." Athulin (talk) 17:36, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

 * I downloaded the Windows 95 DDK (http://old-dos.ru/index.php?page=files&mode=files&do=show&id=3274) to check this and could not find any Joliet.doc file. 68.61.156.5 (talk) 02:24, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Hm, it looks as if there may be multiple releases of this. The CD I checked is a Microsoft Developer Network CD, from the 'Development Platform' group, issued in January 96. Its label says "DDK: Windows® 95 DDK" / DISC 8.  It has the JOLIET.DOC file in the \DOCS directory, dated 1995-05-12  (which is a bit odd, as the title page of the document itself says "Version 1 / May 22, 1995"; also, the Word document internal last-modified-date is 1995-05-09; its author is Rick DeWitt.)

 * The DDK you cite looks like it may a later release, with changes and updates: root-level directories are dated 1998, not 1995, as in my copy. Athulin (talk) 09:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Article needs name information
The origin of the name should really be covered by the article. The article is not complete without this explanation. If the above statement can be sourced, please add it to the article. --Wykypydya (talk) 05:44, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Joliet: extension or not?
I have updated this section, as I did a deep-dive into Joliet (as contained in http://www-plateau.cs.berkeley.edu/people/chaffee/jolspec.html or http://www.buildorbuy.net/pdf/joliet.pdf) and ISO 9660:1988.

Here's what I found:

 * Joliet does not extend ISO 9660 to cover wide characters.

ISO 9660 is clear that supplementary volume descriptors may contain character set specifications through ISO-2022 mechanisms, as registered by the ISO in International Register of Coded Character Sets (http://www.itscj.ipsj.or.jp/ISO-IR/). And as this registry covers UCS-2 (which is what Joliet uses) as well as UCS-4 character sets, and also UTF-8 and UTF-16, ISO 9660 actually allows wider character sets than Joliet does.

Joliet does make it clear how the chosen character set (UCS-2) should be recorded (most significant byte first). I think ISO 10646 says this already, but it's useful to have it stated directly.

 * Joliet changes the rules for directory name construction (ISO 9660 section 9.1.11: Joliet allows '.' to be used in directory names.)

 * Joliet changes the rules for how the order of entries in path tables and directories is decided. In ISO 9660, field of unequal length are padded with space (with file version number, the character '0' is used) to make the entries equally long before they ar compared byte by byte.  Joliet specifies that the pad character should be (00). This affects file and directory names that have trailing spaces, and, if Joliet permits file version numbers (which it is not clear if it does), it also affects the order of entries such as 'AAA.BBB;1' and 'AAA.BBB;10', which in ISO 9660 is unspecified (as appending a '0' to the shorter makes them equal).

 * Joliet does extend ISO 9660 as regards file/directory name length (31 -> 128) and directory hierarchy depth (8 to no stated limit -- but can be at most 120).

 * Joliet adds a restriction to ISO 9660 in terms of maximum permitted file path length (from 255 to 240).

 * Joliet adds a restriction to ISO 9660 to entirely exclude the characters '*/:;?\' from permitted characters.

I suspect the idea must have been to exclude those characters from the characters permitted in file names (i.e. the d1 character set in ISO 9660), but the way it is expressed it seems to limit the full a1 character set as well. And as ';' = SEPARATOR 2, required in 9.1.11, this affects the interpretation of file name versions in a way that is not clear. And also, as Joliet has not defined the a1 and d1 character sets appropriately, there is a general unclarity in this area.

It should be noted that I'm still a bit unsure about the length extensions: Joliet is clear that it measures length in bytes, but ISO 9660 is not quite as clear if it is bytes or characters.

Thus, I don't think it is correct to say that Joliet is an extension of ISO-9660. It extends it in some areas, and restricts it in others.

Athulin (talk) 08:37, 4 May 2010 (UTC)Athulin (talk) 08:54, 13 June 2011 (UTC) .

 * It is not uncommon to talk of any follow-on specification which modifies an earlier standard as "extending" it, even if there are some tighter restrictions. I don't see any value in debating the semantics of "extension" here.  :-)  If it bothers anyone, I'd suggest changing the article to use words like "modification", "change", etc.  — DragonHawk (talk|hist) 17:16, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

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The Impossible Voyage

The Impossible Voyage (Le Voyage à travers l'impossible), also known as An Impossible Voyage and Whirling the Worlds, is a 1904 French silent trick film directed by Georges Méliès. Inspired by Jules Verne's 1882 play Journey Through the Impossible, and modeled in style and format on Méliès's highly successful 1902 film A Trip to the Moon, the film is a satire of scientific exploration in which a group of geographically minded tourists attempt a journey to the Sun using various methods of transportation. The film was a significant international success at the time of its release, and has been well received by film historians.

Plot
Note: Since the film is silent and has no intertitles, the proper names and quotations below are taken from the English-language description of the film published by Méliès in the catalog of the Star Film Company's New York Branch.

A society of geographical enthusiasts, the Institute of Incoherent Geography, plans to make a world tour in such a way as to "surpass in conception and invention all previous expeditions undertaken by the learned world." At a meeting headed by President Polehunter, "assisted by Secretary Rattlebrain, by the Archivist Mole, by the Vice-president Humbug, the members of the office, Easily-fooled, Daredevil, Schemer, etc., etc.", the sumptuously dressed ladies and gentlemen of the Institute listen to Professor Daredevil's plan for the world tour, but reject it for being out-of-date. The president then welcomes the eccentric engineer Crazyloff. He explains his project for a new "impossible" voyage, using "all the known means of locomotion—railroads, automobiles, dirigible balloons, submarine boats…" The unusual plan is accepted enthusiastically, and preparations begin.

When work is complete, the machines and travelers are loaded onto a train and are sent to the Swiss Alps, where the travelers will begin their journey. They first board a touring automobile, the Auto-Crazyloff, and journey through the mountains. In an attempt to run at high speed over the summit of the Rigi, the travelers crash at the bottom of a precipice. They are saved by mountaineers and rushed to a Swiss hospital, where they make gradual but chaotic recoveries.

After they have finished recovering, the travelers board a train with their other vehicles attached to it, and make a second attempt at running over a summit: this time, the Jungfrau. Getting higher and higher every minute, with dirigible balloons tied to the train, they rise into space and are swallowed by the Sun. The travelers land with a crash on the Sun's surface. They are happy to be alive, but the heat is too much for them. Crazyloff directs the travelers to seek shelter in the train's gigantic icebox, but this plan goes too far in the other direction: moments later, the whole group has been frozen solid. Crazyloff finds a bundle of straw among the debris and starts a fire on the surface of the Sun to melt the ice. The travelers thaw out and are happily shepherded into the expedition's submarine. Crazyloff launches it off a cliff on the Sun, and it plummets through space to fall into an ocean on Earth.

After a few minutes of underwater sightseeing, a boiler problem causes the submarine to explode. The travelers are thrown up into the air, landing safely at a seaport amid the wreckage of the submarine. They return in triumph to the Institute of Incoherent Geography, where a grand rejoicing is held for them.

Cast

 * Georges Méliès as the engineer Crazyloff (in French, Mabouloff; "maboul" is French for "crazy" or "crackpot")
 * Fernande Albany as Mrs. Polehunter, the institute president's wife (in French, Madame Latrouille, wife of President Latrouille; "avoir la trouille" is French for "to be scared or nervous"), one of the travelers
 * May de Lavergne as a nurse in the Swiss hospital
 * Jehanne d'Alcy as a villager at the seaport

Production
The original French title of the film, Le Voyage à travers l'impossible, comes from a stage spectacular of the same name, written in 1882 by Jules Verne. Méliès was probably inspired by memories of this play, but otherwise the film bears little connection to it; the plot structure appears to be inspired more closely by a previous Méliès hit, A Trip to the Moon.

The Impossible Voyage was made during the summer of 1904. The film, running to 374 meters (about 20 minutes at silent-film projection speeds), was Méliès's longest to date, and cost about 37,500 (7,500) to make. In its staging and design, the film is symmetrical with A Trip to the Moon: while the astronomers' progress toward the Moon in that film is consistently depicted as left-to-right motion, the Institute of Incoherent Geography's progress toward the Sun in The Impossible Voyage is consistently right-to-left. While most of the film was shot inside Méliès's glass studio, the scene at the foot of the Jungfrau was filmed outdoors, in the garden of Méliès's property in Montreuil, Seine-Saint-Denis. The factory set in the second scene recalls the Hall des Machines at the Paris Exposition of 1900. Techniques used for special effects include stage machinery (including scenery rolling horizontally and vertically), pyrotechnics, miniature effects, substitution splices, and dissolves.

Release
The film was released by Méliès's Star Film Company and numbered 641–659 in its catalogues, where it was advertised as an Invraisemblable équipée d'un groupe de savants de la Société de Géographie incohérente; pièce fantastique nouvelle en 40 tableaux. (The optional supplementary section was sold separately and numbered 660–661.) The earliest known English-language catalogues give the title as An Impossible Voyage in the United States and Whirling the Worlds in Britain.

The French catalogue descriptions give French names for many of the characters: the engineer is Mabouloff, and the Institute's membership includes Professor Latrouille (its president), Madame Latrouille, Madame Mabouloff, Secretary Foulard, Archivist Lataupe, Vice-President Patoche, and Professor Ventrouillard (who proposes the unaccepted project at the beginning of the film). The American catalogue gives Anglicized names (see Plot section above), while Mabouloff/Crazyloff's servant is called Bob in both languages.

A print of the film (though not the supplemental epilogue) was deposited for American copyright at the Library of Congress on October 12, 1904. As with at least 4% of Méliès's entire output, some prints were individually hand-colored and sold at a higher price. In the late twentieth century, a surviving hand-colored copy was donated to Méliès's family by the Czech Film Archive.

Reception
The Impossible Voyage was one of the most popular films of the first few years of the twentieth century, rivaled only by similar Méliès films such as The Kingdom of the Fairies and the massively successful A Trip to the Moon. The film critic Lewis Jacobs said of the film:

"This film expressed all of Méliès's talents. In it his feeling for caricature, painting, theatrical invention and camera science became triumphant. The complexity of his tricks, his resourcefulness with mechanical contrivances, the imaginativeness of the settings and the sumptuous tableaux made the film a masterpiece for its day."

Film scholar Elizabeth Ezra highlights the film's sharp social satire, noting how the rich but inept members of the Institute "wreak havoc wherever they go, disrupting the lives of bucolic mountain climbers, alpine villagers, factory workers and sailors," and arguing that this conflict between upper classes and working classes is mirrored by other contrasts in the film (heat and ice, Sun and sea, and so on).

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User talk:Gibadabmoob

XD is not an invitation for disruption. In fact, your edits could easily be construed as vandalism. Please don't continue. — Dan | Talk 22:57, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * XD instruction #2 says "People who disagree with you can revert your blanking". I disagree with it. — Dan | Talk 23:01, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Explain how you think you can block me? I was talking to you, I did not go revert the XD blank you used, did I, did I? I listened and you blocked me. Why? Do you hate free speech that much? Gibadabmoob 23:04, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

I come on to try and help and then do something wrong, Mr. Rdsmith4 yells at me, so I stop and try to talk with him and he infinite blocks me. Why is this? Does he hate free speech? Does he not read Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers? I think so! I did what he asked and he hates me because I try to talk to him! Gibadabmoob 23:07, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm totally against that censorship wikiproject too, but what you're doing it wrong. You're blanking pages which is against policy. XD is not policy.Gateman1997 23:10, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes it is policy it say on page, and was made by Kim and kim is an employee of Wikipedia who deosn't hate free speech like Rdsmith4, Rdsmith4 infinite blocked me when I stopped. He said not to XD it again and so I was trying to talk with him but he infinite blocked me because he hates me because I am new and because he hates free speech. Someone tell Kim he is violating XD policy and that he hates me. Gibadabmoob 23:12, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

And now I look and see Mr. Rdsmith4 has removed me from the project when I want to help because it is too NPOV, why did he do this? Because he hates me and hates free speech. Gibadabmoob 23:13, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * XD is not policy and I quote from the XD page, "This page explores Experimental policies. These are not official in any way. You choose to apply them at your own responsibility only. If a page you are working on is subject to an XD experiment, please be patient and try to help out as best you can."Gateman1997 00:32, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

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Béjar

Béjar is a town and municipality of Spain located in the province of Salamanca, autonomous community of Castile and León. As of 2018, it had a population of 12,961. The historical development of the town has been linked to its once thriving textile manufacturing industry.

History
Béjar was founded towards October–November 1208 and it was presumably granted a fuero afterwards. It was originally placed to the south of the current settlement, but the population relocated to its current location in the first half of the 14th century. Featuring a cattle-based economy, the town sustained a quick early growth. Over the rest of the middle ages, the town passed several times from a royal demesne to seigneurial lordship and vice versa. The town saw its fuero ratified in 1333. Béjar celebrated an eight-day long medieval fair every year. The town enjoyed from availability to plenty of wood resources, hydropower and sheep flocks.

The arrival to power of the Zúñiga family after 1396 favoured the installment of numerous courtiers and servants, who increased the demand for clothing products. Cloth-making boomed in the late-17th century. The Ducal House of Béjar brought Flemish artisans to update the wool manufacturing techniques.

Unlike other textile manufacturing hubs in the Castilian Meseta, the local textile industry got to survive past the Early Modern Period. The late modern history of Béjar is indeed marked by its thriving textile industry, and during the 19th century it came to be referred to as the "Castilian Manchester".

Due to the peripheral location of the town and the rugged relief, railway arrived late to Béjar, in 1894. Following the end of the Civil War, Béjar became a major provider of wool clothes, primarily used for military and civil servants' uniforms.

Béjar maintained a positive demographic growth until 1970, peaking at 17,576 inhabitants. The textile industry entered a crisis in the 1970s, prompting to staffing cutbacks. Passenger train services in the Astorga–Plasencia line closed on 1 January 1985, and rail freight transport a decade later, worsening rural flight patterns in the area and hindering business development. In the wake of the decline of the secondary sector, the municipality has tried to foster other alternatives for the local economy such as tourism.

Name
The name Béjar is presumably of pre-Roman origin and it has been documented as Biclara and Biclaro.

Monuments
Béjar has many remarkable monuments and historical buildings:

 * City walls: well-preserved medieval fort
 * Church of Saint James (Santiago): built in the 12th century, now serves as a Museum of Religious Art
 * Church of Saint Mary the Great (Santa María la Mayor): built between the 12th and 17th centuries, in several different architectural styles (from Mudejar to Baroque)
 * Jewish Museum David Melul: shows Béjar's Hebrew past
 * Ducal Palace and Camera Obscura: an ancient fortress transformed into a palace for the Duke and Duchess of Béjar in the 16th century.

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 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Sjakkalle (Check!)  06:57, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Erik sigerud
"Emerging artist", read not notable. Google gives only links to his homepage. feydey 22:58, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy depending on how you interpret the CSD, so let's VfD yeah. Delete. --fvw *  23:00, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn artist vanity. Let's help him keep a low profile as he desires. --TheMidnighters 01:42, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete what he said ^. -- Etacar11   03:48, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete "Considered important by many", must mean his parents...? Fred-Chess 10:30, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Creator has removed the VfD tag twice. Also note that he has created a duplicate page at Erik Sigerud. His home page indicates that he has participated in three international exhibitions and won some kind of prize, but my knowledge of the art world is too limited to judge whether or not it qualifies for notability. No vote yet. / Alarm 11:50, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Though the information is verifiable, this guy is really just out of art school. I suggest deleting both articles: Erik sigerud and Erik Sigerud. We can always re-create them as his fame grows. -Willmcw 20:56, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - Not notable - Tεx  τ  urε  21:10, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Packet writing

Not a file system
It is not a file system, should be removed from disk file systems category? — Claunia 22:58, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Agreed, packet writing is not a file system in itself. -- Tempel 12:41, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Mount Rainier
Mount Rainier is not a UDF extension. — Jaevelig 12:11, 04 January 2006

 * I don't know Mount Rainier, but its wiki article claims that it is a UDF extension. Can you explain why you think it's not a UDF extension? -- Tempel 12:41, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Removed an unspecific note about unformatting
I took the liberty to remove this part:
 * ''' This is further complicated by the fact that is nearly impossible to unformat a disc formatted specifically for packet writing thus rendering it unusable in computers that do not have support for the proprietary mode.

Reason: I've written packet writing software myself (DirectCD for Mac) and have no idea what this sentence suggests. It might relate to the fact that on CD rewritable media sectors "wear out" with use, some more, others less, and that it's difficult to preserve this information between reformats as the information is stored in the file system (in case of UDF) and would need to be preserved. But when one would reformat a CD-RW with a non-packet writing file system (e.g. ISO 9660) in between, this information would surely get lost, making the disk for further packet writing quite unreliable. -- Tempel 12:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

packet writing worse how? and why switch?
Let's expand what incompatible means for the different packet writing software. If I just use my one software always adding to multisession discs, I'll be completely fine right? I expect it's only when I mix one session from one software with another session from another source it all gets jumbled up.

Another question is do these popular software start supporting this universal stuff yet? (Nero, Roxio drag-to-disc formerly directCD,..). It's surprising in this age of highly compatible firefox gaining market, and other open ended projects, that this holdover from a time past isn't even mentioned as being up to date yet in this article. I'm looking for why to leave let's say Nero for let's say an unnamed unknown burning software I never heard of before. Let's expand this stub. Nastajus 03:13, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

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My question is this: why aren't there packet-writing drivers for the standard OSs (apparently) - MacOS (and therefore probably all *nix's), and Windows? And *why* wasn't the DVD-RW spec written to support multisession? If multisession makes sense for CD-RW, doesn't it make even more sense for a media that is over 6 times bigger? I understand that DVD+RW has some support for multisession, but I can't see ay technical (physical) reason why -RW can't do it as well - except that the *logical* format doesn't support it.

As for 'this age of highly copatible firefix..' - we STILL have two almost-compatible DVD formats(+ and -) It doesn't matter now since basically all burners can do both, but does it raise manufacturing costs (not that DVD disks sell anywhere near cost-of-production, at least when not on sale :)  What about the costs of manufacturing +- drives (especially the write mechanism - could you make a drive that would READ both formats [backward compatibility], but only WRITE one format, which would end the format 'war' - the industry just has to figure out which one should go, or combine the best aspects (?) of both..  Which of course is never easy).

Don't even get me started on the problems of different burners, disks, and players working on nor-working well together. I've even seen a burner that has an error (same media, same lot) when connected to different COMPUTERS (LaCie D2 with OfficeDepot Ativa media (Phillips MFG code], which hangs on writing lead-out on one computer [iMac flat-panel], but not on another [iMac G5], with the same software (Toast 7])

- Jim —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Regarding CDRs & DVDRs (NOT REWRITABLE)
Where exactly does it say this is supported? I can not find any Free software that supports this. From my point of view, this article sent me on a wild goose chase looking for that! 81.98.240.122 (talk) 23:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Can't comment on free software, but there has been some paid for software that supports writing on non rewriteable discs. I grant that not every packet writing utility supports it, but some does.  One of the frst packet writing utilities, Adaptec's Direct CD, certainly did.  109.153.242.10 (talk) 13:59, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Packet writing DO NOT deminish disk space on a rewritale media!
Please do not write what you do not know.--Dojarca (talk) 02:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

 * Assuming that you mean "does not diminish ... rewritable ...", please explain why formatting a 700 MB CD-RW for UDF results in 512 MB of available "disk space". Instead of writing continuously, Packet writing needs to insert space wasting gaps between packets, just like between sectors on a HDD. A Pirard (talk) 19:26, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Linux Kernel Driver deprecated
The linux kernel driver is marked as deprecated and it will be removed in the near future --Ismael Luceno (talk) 02:01, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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Major Dundee

Major Dundee is a 1965 American Western film directed by Sam Peckinpah and starring Charlton Heston, Richard Harris, Jim Hutton, and James Coburn. Written by Harry Julian Fink, the film is about a Union cavalry officer who leads a contentious troop of Army regulars, Confederate prisoners, and Indian scouts on an expedition into Mexico during the American Civil War to destroy a band of Apaches who have been raiding United States bases and settlements in the New Mexico territory. Major Dundee was filmed in various locations in Mexico. The movie was filmed in Eastman Color by Pathécolor, print by Technicolor.

Plot
During the American Civil War, Union cavalry officer Major Amos Dundee is relieved of his command for an unspecified tactical error at the Battle of Gettysburg and sent to head a prisoner-of-war camp in the New Mexico Territory. After a family of ranchers and a relief column of cavalry are massacred by Apache war chief Sierra Charriba, Dundee sends his scout Samuel Potts to locate Charriba and begins raising his own, unauthorized force. He attempts to recruit Confederate prisoners led by his former friend, Captain Ben Tyreen. Tyreen bears a grudge against Dundee and refuses his request. Before the war, Dundee had cast the deciding vote in Tyreen's court-martial from the United States Army for participating in a duel, leading to Tyreen's dismissal. Dundee is a Southerner, but fought for the Union.

Dundee's recruits include bugler Tim Ryan, the only survivor of the massacre (and the film's narrator), as well as a horse thief, a drunken mule-packer, a vengeful minister, and a small group of black soldiers who are tired of doing menial tasks. Dundee reluctantly appoints the inexperienced Lieutenant Graham as his second-in-command. Eventually, facing a hanging which may or may not be a bluff on Dundee's part, Tyreen binds himself and twenty of his men to loyally serve Dundee, but only until Charriba is "taken or destroyed."

When the diverse factions of Dundee's force are not fighting each other, they engage the Apaches in several bloody battles. Though they rescue several young children captured by the Apaches, Dundee's men lose most of their supplies in an ambush, forcing them to raid a village garrisoned by French troops supporting Emperor Maximilian of Mexico. However, there is little to loot, and Dundee ends up sharing some of his dwindling food with the starving Mexicans. Beautiful resident Teresa Santiago, the Austrian widow of a doctor executed for his support of the rebels under Benito Juárez, causes further tensions between Dundee and Tyreen as they compete for her attentions. Dundee makes it easy for his French prisoners to escape. When they return with reinforcements, Dundee surprises the French column and makes off with badly needed supplies. After this success, the men begin to get along. However, one of the Confederates, O. W. Hadley, attempts to desert. Dundee orders his execution, but Tyreen shoots Hadley himself to quell any resentment from his men.

Teresa and Dundee have a brief affair. In an unguarded moment, he is attacked by the Apaches and wounded in the leg, forcing him to seek medical help in French-held Durango. The doctor removes the arrow, but Dundee has to remain to recuperate. He is tended by a pretty Mexican, whom he eventually takes to bed. When Teresa comes upon them, her relationship with Dundee comes to an abrupt end. Dundee starts drinking heavily. Graham leads a small group of men to distract the French, while Tyreen shames Dundee into resuming his mission.

Dundee has no hope of catching the Apaches, so he pretends to give up and starts back for the United States. The Apaches give chase and fall into Dundee's trap. Ryan kills Charriba in the ambush.

Dundee and Tyreen prepare to resume their private vendetta, but the French appear. They position a portion of their force on the American side of the Rio Grande. Two other columns come up fast south of the river. The Americans and the northern French contingent charge each other, fighting in the river. Tyreen sees a French soldier seize the regimental colors. He takes back the flag and hands it over to Dundee. Shot in the stomach, Tyreen singlehandedly charges the French cavalry, enabling the others to cross the Rio Grande. Only Yankees Dundee, Graham, Potts, Ryan, and Sergeant Gomez, plus Confederates Chillum and Benteen and a few others survive.

As Dundee's force heads home, the narration notes that it is now April 19, 1865. The soldiers are unaware that Lee has surrendered, the Civil War is over, and Abraham Lincoln has been assassinated.

Screenplay
Peckinpah found the script in late 1963. The early draft by Fink focused on Trooper Ryan and presented the film as a typical adventure story. Peckinpah largely discarded this and, working closely with acclaimed screenwriter Oscar Saul, began making the movie into a complex character study about Dundee. He had the support of Heston, who had seen and enjoyed Peckinpah's previous film, Ride the High Country (1962), and was eager to work with the director. Actor R. G. Armstrong, who had a small part as a Reverend who tags along with the expedition, referred to the 156 minutes version of the film as "Moby-Dick on horseback".

Filming
The production of the movie was very troubled. Peckinpah was often drunk on the set, and was supposedly so abusive towards the cast that Heston had to threaten him with a cavalry saber in order to calm him down: he even charged Peckinpah on horseback at one point, leading the director to panic and order the camera crane he was working on to be raised fast. Peckinpah also fired a large number of crew members for very trivial reasons throughout the shoot. Columbia studio executives feared that the project was out of control, and that Peckinpah was too unstable to finish the picture, so they cut the shooting schedule of the film by several weeks. Heston gave up his entire salary for the film in order to keep Peckinpah on the project – a gesture rarely equaled in Hollywood history. However, while the studio said it forced Peckinpah to wrap up shooting very abruptly, Heston alleged that towards the end Peckinpah simply became drunk and wandered off the set leaving Heston to finish directing the final scenes himself.

Post-production
The length of Peckinpah's original cut has been disputed. According to some sources, including the 2005 DVD commentary, the original cut was 4 hours 38 minutes long, which was initially edited down to 156 minutes. Included in the unseen longer cuts were several slow-motion battle scenes inspired by Akira Kurosawa's Seven Samurai (1954). The movie was also fairly gory for the standards of 1965, and more bloody and violent scenes were cut out. A bombastic musical score by Daniele Amfitheatrof was added to the film despite Peckinpah's protests, as was the title song, "The Major Dundee March", sung by Mitch Miller and his Sing-Along Gang. One of the most bizarre parts of the score was the use of an electronically altered sound – three anvils of different lengths played-back at half-speed every time Charriba or the Apaches would be seen or even mentioned; "Until the Apache is taken or destroyed" was one of the film's catch phrases.

Themes
The screenplay, by Harry Julian Fink, Oscar Saul, and Peckinpah, was loosely based on historical precedents. However, contrary to claims by the production team at the time, it was not actually based on a true story. The film's novelization was written by Richard Wormser. During the Minnesota Dakota War of 1862, Union forces in that state were forced to recruit Confederate prisoners from Texas to make up for their meager numbers in fighting the Indians. Unlike the movie, where there is much animosity between the Union and Confederate troops in Dundee's command, the rebels, called "Galvanized Yankees", fought well and without much complaint. Both Union and Confederate forces also battled Apache, Navajo, and Comanche Indians throughout the war along the U.S.-Mexico border, making the scenario of the movie at least somewhat plausible. Before the film's production, Peckinpah had been working on a Custer project, based on the novel by Hoffman Birney The Dice of God, but later abandoned it for this film. (His screenplay was filmed by Arnold Laven, as The Glory Guys).

Critics of the film have also pointed out similarities between this and Herman Melville's classic novel Moby-Dick. Many of the characters are similar to those from that book, with Dundee as Captain Ahab, Tyreen as Starbuck, Ryan as Ishmael, and other minor characters, with Sierra Charriba and his Apache tribe substituting for the whale, as is the general plot line (an obsessive idealist drives himself to destruction, disregarding the effects on others). These references to Moby-Dick were likely intentional on the part of the screenwriters. Some have also pointed out similarities of the plot to the Vietnam War, which are highly unlikely to have been intentional, as the war had not significantly escalated at the time of the film's production.

The opening scene at the Rostes Ranch and the funeral after the first skirmish with the Indians were inspired by scenes from The Searchers, while the scene in which Dundee's troop exits Fort Benlin, each faction of the command singing its own distinct song, is a deliberate parody of an equivalent scene in Fort Apache. The characterization of Dundee, particularly his personality as a martinet and his relationship with Tyreen, has been related to John Wayne's character in Howard Hawks' Red River. The Mexican Civil War setting recalls Robert Aldrich's Vera Cruz. The film also includes several references to David Lean's Lawrence of Arabia – the execution of Hadley, and Dundee's drunken exile in Durango, closely mirror sequences from this film.

The film "seems a direct reaction to [John] Ford's Fort Apache ... with Charlton Heston cast as a more psychotic, more bluntly careerist version of Ford's Lt. Col. Owen Thursday (Henry Fonda)," according to a New York Times review of the film at the time of the 2013 Blu-ray release. Reviewer Dave Kehr went on to write that Peckinpah "plays Heston's square-jawed intransigence against the aristocratic refinement of a Southern officer (overplayed by ... Harris)" and that Peckinpah "would essentially reshape this material into The Wild Bunch four years later, wisely dividing Dundee's divided character into two separate figures" played then by Robert Ryan and William Holden.

Release
The film's disastrous premier was on March 16, 1965, when its running length had been reduced from 136 to 123 minutes after an additional 13 minutes were cut despite the protests of Peckinpah and producer Jerry Bresler. These extra cuts ruined the movie's scope and created significant plot holes, though the plot holes are known to exist in the extended version. Critics universally panned the film but many of their criticisms were addressed in the 2005 restored version.

Restored version
In April 2005, the New York City based Film Forum premiered an "expanded" version featuring several restored scenes, along with a new musical score by Christopher Caliendo. This expanded version was actually the 136-minute cut authorized by producer Jerry Bresler before he left Columbia Studios. Michael Schlesinger, who became head of Columbia's Repertory Division in 1994, asked Asset Management head Grover Crisp about putting the picture back together. Although Crisp initially only found soundless picture trims, he agreed to a search. Finally, he located the missing soundtracks in 2004 and a restoration of the film according to Peckinpah's notes was begun. Despite all of the cuts being edited out of the released version at the last minute, it is highly unlikely that Peckinpah's director's cut will ever be fully restored. In 2005 the restored version of Major Dundee was shown on limited release in selected cities in North America and released on a Region 1 DVD.

Restored scenes are listed below. These include both brief inserts and additions to existing scenes, as well as four major scenes restored to the film.
 * Ryan plays "Taps" as soldiers bury the victims of the massacre.
 * After Dundee, Potts, and the other Union troopers survey the massacre at the Rostes Ranch, Tyreen and his Confederates attempt to escape through a mountain stream. They are trapped by troops from the fort and Dundee's command. The next scene shows Dundee announcing to the fort's prisoners his need for volunteers. The scene introduces the character of Tyreen, who is only awkwardly introduced in the theatrical version, and provides the reason why he and his men are to hang later in the film (they killed a guard during their escape attempt).
 * Tyreen's men refuse to wear the Union jackets provided to them by Dundee.
 * Children watch Dundee's expedition leaving Fort Benlin.
 * The wrestling match between Potts and the scout Riago is much longer, with Dundee chiding Potts because the artillery bet on him.
 * Paco, one of Potts' Indian scouts, is killed by Apaches before the river ambush.
 * The fiesta scene in the Mexican village is longer, with Potts leering at a pretty girl, who snubs him (which would have led to the knife fight scene detailed below), and Teresa trying to comfort a crying baby.
 * Dundee recovers from his leg wound in Durango, while being tended to by Melinche (Aurora Clavell), eventually falling in love with her.
 * Dundee and his officers – Tyreen, Potts, Lt. Graham, and Sgt. Gomez – find an Apache trail marker, and then debate strategy on how to fight Charriba. At the end of the scene, we learn the fate of Apache scout Riago, who had earlier in the film been accused of being an agent of Charriba's by Dundee and others. In the restored version, he is found crucified to a tree. In the theatrical version, his character disappeared without a trace.

Available as extras on the DVD are an unfinished knife fight scene between Potts and Gomez in a Mexican village, a longer version of Teresa and Dundee's interlude at the lake, and several silent outtakes – including a master shot which would have opened the massacre scene at the beginning, of Lt. Brannin and his men riding past a sheep farmer to the Rostes Ranch.

A new score was composed by Christopher Caliendo for the restored version. This score was composed and recorded with a small studio orchestra to authentically sound the way director Peckinpah might have approved it had he been alive at the time of the film's restoration, and the way the music might have been done in its original 1965 release as opposed to today's larger orchestra-type scores. The new score is regarded by some critics as being better than the original, which was disliked by film experts and featured the title song performed by the Mitch Miller Sing-a-Long Gang, though many concede the new music is far from perfect; for example, there has been criticism of Caliendo's decision to leave unscored several sequences which did have music in the original version.

Reception
Although modern reappraisals of the film are generally positive, the reviews for its 1965 theatrical release were negative though they did acknowledge the film's potential. In his review in The New York Times, Eugene Archer wrote that the film had "an interesting cast, a superior visual texture, unexpected bits of character revelation and a choppy continuity that finally negates its impact." He praised Peckinpah for "seeking a fresh approach to the Western" and acknowledged that the director "displays a fine eye for panoramic vistas." Archer concludes:

"Besides Mr. Heston's strong playing, there is good work by Jim Hutton, Mario Adorf and Michael Anderson Jr. as assorted troopers. Action abounds, and the pace is lively. The outdoor vistas are better than the intimate scenes, which are frequently marred by clumsy background processes, but Mr. Peckinpah does have an eye. He has a lot to learn, but his education should be worth paying for."

Many of the flaws identified by film critics in 1965 were addressed in the 2005 restored version, and film reviews of the DVD are much more positive. In his review in Alt Film Guide, Dan Schneider called Major Dundee "a near-great film that has a checkered history" and "likely the most gritty and realistic Western ever made."

The film holds a present-day 97% approval rating based on 32 reviews (with an average rating of 7.3/10) on the review aggregation website Rotten Tomatoes, with the site's critics consensus declaring the film "a Western-type with big war scenes, shot with bombast typical of Sam Peckinpah". Metacritic, another review aggregator, reports a score of 62/100 based on 12 critics, indicating "generally favorable reviews".

The film is recognized by American Film Institute in the 2008 lists: AFI's 10 Top 10, nominated Western Film

Major Dundee helped cement Peckinpah's image as a renegade filmmaker, which he would enhance with the conflicts on his later films, such as The Wild Bunch (1969), Straw Dogs (1971), Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid (1973), and Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974). Peckinpah biographer David Weddle, in his 1994 book ''If They Move ... Kill 'Em! The Life and Times of Sam Peckinpah'', argues that Peckinpah is just as much to blame for the final product as Columbia and Jerry Bresler. Since its release on DVD, Dundee has begun to get recognition and notice from the public at large, and not just Western fans.

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Singles: Individually Wrapped

Singles: Individually Wrapped is a greatest hits album by Odds, released in 2000. The album contains singles from all four of the band's studio albums, as well as a rendition of the Christmas song "Kings of Orient" which the band recorded for the 1991 Christmas compilation A Lump of Coal.

Track listing

 * 1) "Someone Who's Cool" (3:17)
 * 2) "Truth Untold" (3:55)
 * 3) "It Falls Apart" (3:38)
 * 4) "Love Is the Subject" (4:43)
 * 5) "Jackhammer" (long version) (4:20)
 * 6) "Satisfied" (3:00)
 * 7) "Nothing Beautiful" (3:06)
 * 8) "Eat My Brain" (4:26)
 * 9) "Make You Mad" (4:07)
 * 10) "Wendy Under the Stars" (4:15)
 * 11) "Yes (Means It's Hard to Say No)" (single remix) (3:14)
 * 12) "I Would Be Your Man" (3:26)
 * 13) "King of the Heap" (single remix) (3:57)
 * 14) "Heterosexual Man" (3:32)
 * 15) "Mercy to Go" (5:18)
 * 16) "Kings of Orient (We Three Kings)" (4:26)

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Bridal Veil Falls (Oregon)

The Bridal Veil Falls is a waterfall located on Bridal Veil Creek along the Columbia River Gorge in Multnomah County, Oregon, United States. The waterfall is accessible from the historic Columbia River Highway and Interstate 84. Spanning two tiers on basalt cliffs, it is the only waterfall which occurs below the historic Columbia Gorge Scenic Highway. The Bridal Veil Falls Bridge, built in 1914, crosses over the falls, and is listed on the National Register of Historic Places.

Structure
The falls drops in two major steps, split into an upper falls and a lower falls with a total height of the waterfall at 118 ft. The two drops are due to a zone of more easily eroded basalt defile at the base of the upper falls. A massive basalt boulder detached from the cliff and lies in the creek along the pool below.

Water source
Underground springs from Larch Mountain are the year-round source of water for the waterfall, augmented by spring runoff from the mountain's snowpack and rainwater during the other seasons. This spring is the source of Bridal Veil Creek. During the years of logging upstream of Bridal Veil Creek, the river ran dry and the waterfall had disappeared. Once logging ceased, the river returned to its course, restoring the waterfall to its current feature.

Bridal Veil Falls Bridge
The Historic Columbia River Highway passes over Bridal Veil Falls on a bridge, the Bridal Veil Falls Bridge, which is listed on the National Register of Historic Places as a contributing structure. It is a skewed 100 ft reinforced-concrete span, and is unique in its design in which its solid railings serve as continuous beams and transverse deck support members function as deck girders.

The falls consists of two cascades in quick succession along angling rockfaces, such that when there is enough water, the falls look like a bridal veil.

There is a post office in the nearby community of Bridal Veil. Many couples have their wedding invitations shipped there in order to have the town's postmark applied to them.

Logging
Bridal veil creek runs along Palmer Mill road from Larch Mountain towards the now extinct community of Bridal Veil. Logging was a successful enterprise upstream of the waterfall by Bridal Veil Falls Timber Company. The sawmill community was a thriving area that eventually dried the creek and made its namesake waterfall disappear. Currently Bridal Veil is a ghost town East of the waterfall. Before the lumber mill the area was exploited by a paper mill.

In 1937 the mill site was purchased by the Kraft company where cheese boxes were made. During World War II Kraft use the mill to manufacture wooden ammunition boxes. The mill was sold in the 1960s and operations ceased and resumed in 1974 as a resaw mill until 1988.

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The result of the debate was delete. Sjakkalle (Check!)  06:57, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Neave Snake
Not notable, not encyclopaedic. IceKarmaॐ 23:00, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
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Prescott Speed Hill Climb

Prescott Speed Hill Climb is a hillclimb in Gloucestershire, England. The course used for most events (the "Long Course") is 1128 yd in length, and the hill record is held by Wallace Menzies who took the outright hill record in a Gould GR59M single seater with a time of 34.65 seconds on Sunday 5 September 2021. The track was extended in 1960 to form the present Long Course. There is also a "Short Course" of 880 yd, now used only by meetings organised by the Vintage Sports-Car Club.

Bugatti Owners' Club
The track is owned by the Bugatti Owners' Club (BOC), founded in 1929, who were looking for a permanent home and bought the land in 1937. The club had previously run events at Lewes and on the Chalfont Heights Estate, Chalfont St Peter, Buckinghamshire. The club also ran a one-off event at Joel Park, Northwood Hill, Middlesex, on 22 June 1935, which was won by Richard Ormonde Shuttleworth, on a Bugatti, in a time of 30.16 sec. The BOC planned to develop Dancer's End, near Tring, Hertfordshire, but an event there scheduled for 20 June 1936 had to be cancelled. Motor Sport reported in December 1937: "It will be recalled that about two years ago the Club planned to make Dancer's End a first-class hill-climb venue, and obtained approval from the landowner, Alan P. Good. Unfortunately, the noise nuisance, which is a disease not unknown to motor-race course promoters, broke out and the project was reluctantly abandoned,..."

1930s
The first event at Prescott was staged in April 1938, on what is now the Short Course. As announced in Motor Sport: "The Opening Rally on April 10th will comprise an assembly at Cheltenham for lunch, followed by a run to Prescott and possibly timed runs up the hill, followed by tea at the Prescott club-house. Prescott will be ready for the first official meeting on Sunday, May 15th." Unofficial fastest time in April was set by I. Craig in a 4.9-litre supercharged Bugatti in a time of 55.58 seconds. Fastest time of the day at the inaugural meeting in May was set by Arthur Baron in a 2,270 c.c. supercharged Bugatti in a new record time of 50.70 seconds. Sydney Allard set the sports car record driving Hutchison's V12 Lincoln-engined Allard Special in a time of 54.35 seconds. On 3 July 1938 George Abecassis broke the Prescott outright record with a climb of 47.85 seconds in his supercharged 1½ litre Alta. Joe Fry bettered this unofficially when he climbed in 47.62 seconds in the 1,100 c.c. Freikaiserwagen, on 27 August 1938. Raymond Mays (2-litre E.R.A.) took the record on 30 July 1939 in a time of 46.14 seconds. Second overall at that meeting was Jean-Pierre Wimille in a 4.7-litre supercharged Bugatti, in the first international meeting held at Prescott.

There is a part of the course at Prescott named for Sydney Allard and known as Allard's Gap, sometimes shortened to Allard's. This resulted from an incident at the Bugatti Owners' Club meeting on 15 June 1947, when Sydney: "shot through the hedge at the semi-circle and landed well out in the field in the single-seater Allard.

Post War
Stirling Moss's first hillclimb was at Prescott on 9 May 1948, driving a Mk2 Cooper. He had hoped to enter at Shelsley Walsh somewhat earlier, but had been thwarted in this ambition as there were no spaces left in the entry list. On his actual debut at Prescott, Moss came fourth out of twelve, in the 500 c.c. class.

On 9 September 1951 at the Bugatti Owners' Club International Event Ken Wharton broke the track record in a time of 43.81 sec in a Cooper 1,000 c.c. Tony Marsh (Cooper) set a record at 43.32 sec in June 1956.

At the BOC meeting on 15 September 1963, Peter Westbury clinched the 1963 British Hill Climb Championship by taking second place to Peter Boshier-Jones (Lotus-Climax 1,220 c.c. supercharged) in the championship run-off. Westbury also took FTD in the class runs in a time of 48.95 secs in the Felday-Daimler.

In 1967 Motor reported: "Driving his V-8 engined Brabham, B. Eccles set up a new record for the hill of 47.31s. at the Bugatti Owners Club Invitation Prescott Hill climb on July 9."

Current Prescott
Prescott Hill has hosted at least one round of the British Hill Climb Championship since 1947, in the modern era of the sport, Prescott hosts the first round of the season with a second round towards the end of the season. A new "Test Day" edition to their calendar a few weeks before the season opener has made Prescott an ideal location to kick off the year.

The hill has 30 operation days per year and hosts a range of events from full competition days to driver schools and car club casual fun run days. The variety provided by Prescott allows for a wide range of cars and classes from the top of the British championships all the way down to pre second world war classics.

Top Gear
An episode of Top Gear was filmed here, including a race between an Austin-Healey Sprite, which had most of its body panels removed, and a V6 Peugeot 306 with a number of cosmetic modifications and hydraulic suspension.

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North China (disambiguation)

North China is a geographical region of China.

Northern China or North China may also refer to:

 * North China Craton, an ancient continent studied in geology
 * North China Plain
 * Northern and Southern dynasties, a period in the history of China that lasted from 420 to 589

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Talk:BC Ferries

Confusing Sub Pages (V Class, Burnaby class, Queen of New Westminster)
As it stands right now, the concept of the V class ferry is confusing to wikipedia readers, mostly because the names of the classes kept changing. Originally SEVEN VESSELS were V class vessels:

 * Queen of Victoria
 * Queen of Vancouver
 * Queen of Esquimalt
 * Queen of Saanich
 * Queen of New Westminster
 * Queen of Burnaby
 * Queen of Nanaimo

When they were built originally they all had the same basic specifications. All seven were also streched with an 84 foot insert section, so that doesn't split the class yet. What makes it confusing for some is that when 5 of the ships were modified with a new car deck, the two ships that were NOT modified had their class changed, so the Burnaby and Nanaimo became "Burnaby class".

Then they made it more confusing when the Queen of New Westminster was fitted with new engines, and they officially removed the ship from V class, leaving the vessel in a class of it's own, as a result we have three different types of ship which were all originally built the same.

Is there some way we can reflect this in the articals without it being confusing? Perhaps if we could make the "main" artical on V class ships include a "Sub Classes" section which includes the two Burnaby Class ships, and the Queen of New Westminster, whilst maintaining the pages existed for those ships?

I want to make this set of articals much less confusing for the reader. CarsonCo (talk) 22:58, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous edits
Please see: http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/f.php?pagetitle=BC+Ferries --Achim (talk) 18:20, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Bridge
The comment about the bridge which can be the alternative has been removed. At least a link should appear where this is presented otherwise it's censorship even if of course it's a hot political subject since this company has a monopoly.
 * Uh, it was never there to begin with. Denelson83 16:15, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Hilarity ensues
Can anyone confirm that their slogan used to be "Cruise the straits with BC Ferries" until somebody pointed out the double entendre? Or is that folklore? It almost seems like a common enough story to be worth mentioning.

 * What double entendre? Denelson83 15:21, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Cruising is a term for looking for partners for a single, stand-alone sexual encounter. Originally this term was used much more widely in the gay community.  Similarly, "straight" was a term used by gay people to refer to heterosexuals.  So, cruising the straights" could be interpreted as "look to approach heterosexual strangers to invite them to share in a one-time homosexual encounter."  --  Geo Swan 05:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

There was merchandise that referenced B.C Ferries using "Cruising the Straits" as a slogan on keychains sold near the docks in Vancouver, Canada in the late 1970s. It was a two-sided keychain dongle encased in clear plastic with the words "CRUISING THE STRAITS" on one side and "B.C. FERRIES" on the other side. It's not clear if this was official B.C. Ferries merchandise or something sold by a private manufacturing company. Kirkwoodie (talk) 21:11, 22 July 2015 (UTC)Kirkwoodie

Images
This article seems set for images. Unless there is a specific image that someone can think of, we can remove the image request. -Dr Haggis - Talk 23:44, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Remove image request. -Dr Haggis - Talk 03:20, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not from Canada (but have a strange interst in BC ferries for some reason) so I am not too familiar with locations or anything, may I suggest the creation of a route map for 'non-canadians' to have a better idea of what routes are served, wozza 1 15:25, 11 April 2006 (GMT)
 * Thanks for the suggestion. I am now in the process of making such maps.  I expect to have four or five of them ready to add to the article.  I'm using images from NASA World Wind, so the licensing won't be difficult (PD).  Denelson83  02:05, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing those, don't want to come across as rude but do we have an estimate as to when they will be added? --wozza 15:07, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
 * They're in the article now.  Denelson83  00:53, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Just taken a look and they're really good, thanks for the valuable contirbution to the article and furthering a 'clever' Brits understanding --wozza 07:08, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Accidents
Does anybody else think that putting the accidents section so close to the beginning of the article--before information about the fleet or about their routes--might be giving the subtle impression that they have a lot of accidents? Nine in thirty-six years, for a fleet with thirty-five vessels does not seem too dangerous. The accidents information should be moved to closer to the end of the article. Stearnsbrian 01:55, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Done - and I agree. --Ckatz 03:24, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, thirty-four vessels now.  Denelson83  04:10, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

 * A reference to the countess rescues performed by BC Ferries could add balance away from the accident section. As one of the largest fleets with most active routes it is often in position to render aid and assistance to other maritime traffic. Conversely, with so many miles traveled accidents are expected. I think we should avoid issues like passengers injured on escalators or “standard” mishaps like falls or cuts aboard ship. There are dosens of injuries daily, but only several a year I personaly deam "significant" but there in lies the rub, who am I to decide for the word what is significant. I have held back adding legend type items for example if I were to add "M.V. Queen of Victoria" under the V class vesels I would be tempted to mention how Victoria was thouhgt to be a cursed ship due to the high number of accidents she was in and suicides on (technicaly lept off) board, and to point out the number of sould rescued by the ship before it's sale and re-naming. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.72.96.214 (talk • contribs) 01:20, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

 * This could help provide a good balance, especially in conjunction with the details on the size of the fleet (and perhaps some sourced commentary on the nature of BC coastal waters, are they safer, rougher, etc.). It might even help out with a minor issue over on the Queen of the North talk page page where there is some discussion over how to handle official statements about the safety of the BC Ferries fleet. --Ckatz 20:41, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I guess other editors changed mind. Too bad, my dad was rescued by a BC ferry but I guess they are all about the crash and distruction stuff.

- I was thining that perhaps we should reduce the number of accidents on the article and then add a seperate article on "Maritime Incidents involving BC Ferries" or something to that degree. The current list focuses on the modern ones, and doesn't give historical ones proper recognition. Additionally, there has been a tendancy to add less dramatic, more modern accidents, while leaving on lesser historical ones. Some more spectacular ones, such as Queen of (Qo) Coquitlam's drydock roll over, or (Qo) Alberni's near capsize have been omitted. 24.86.197.153 05:47, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

By any objective measure, the BC Ferry system has a terrible safety record and I am shocked the the BC government allows this to continue. They must account for ~20% of the accidents in North American maritime passenger over the past ~40 years. It is reasonable for this entry to factually convey this fact. oysterengineer (talk) 17:27, 7 August 2008 (UTC)oysterengineer, 07 August 2008

It is reasonable for the entry to list every maritime incident BC ferries has been involved in, but by no means does the BC Ferry system have a bad safety record. Any system that operates on as large a scale as BC Ferries does would be lucky to not have a plethora of accidents much more intensive than that of BC Ferries. Anyway, I'm leaning on the idea of a separate page on "Accidents involving BC Ferries", so that we can fix the dramatic imbalance of the accident section in the main artical. This section should also include rescues made by BC ferries as the title includes the word "involving" BC Ferries, not "caused by" BC ferries. I'm going to be getting out by BC Ferries history book in the next couple of weeks to work on that project, because I think it's important to have this accurate information on wiki. CarsonCo (talk) 04:25, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

I fully support the seperation of the Accidents into a seperate Incidents page, listing both good and bad. YYC T Dawg (talk) 22:22, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Gender Neutrality
I'm by no means an expert in nautical matters or encyclopedia etiquette, but is it proper to refer to a ship as "she"? Of course, I understand that this is indeed a common expression, but it strikes me as being colloquial (perhaps even a tad sexist?). I haven't made any changes to the article in this regard, nor do I intend to, but I'd be interested to hear what others thinks. Should "she" be changed to the gender-neutral "it"? Maybe it's a non-issue, but just thought I'd bring it up.--Ledavee 23:28, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

 * There has been some discussion of this on Wikipedia: Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_archive_(ships_as_%22she%22).  (Although I don't think it was fully resolved).  I think in the maritime industry the reference of "she" is often used even in formal writing.  In mainstream press the neuter is usually used.   Lloyds recently started to use the neuter much to the constrenation of many readers   --Webgeer 00:41, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

 * If we're going to call them "it" instead of "she", we might as well start using "left side" instead of "port", and "rear" instead of "aft". I think it's well within proper, formal usage to use naval terminology. Azio 08:40, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Good point.--Ledavee 18:40, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

It's not a point of sexism. Ships have historically been called "she" in respect. They respect the ship as if "she" were a woman. CarsonCo (talk) 04:25, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Other terminals
I noticed we only have pictures of the Tsawwassen terminal, with no pictures of any of the other four major terminals. Could we get such pictures in this article? Denelson83  03:32, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I have some good shots of the Duke Point terminal. How do I submit or place them on the Site. I never personally thought that there would be this much interest in BC Ferries - but hey, now I have seen everything!!! Cheers from Nanaimo VI WIKIPEDIAVI 04:04, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You can upload them to the Wikimedia Commons, using the "Upload file" link on the left of the screen on that site. Just make sure you license them under the GFDL.  Denelson83  04:11, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Sinking Casualties
When the Queen of the North sank, it is believed two people likely drowned. When the two passangers could not be located afterwards an investigation followed and they were presumed dead. BeefJeaunt 14:53, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Lead
As there aren't any companies providing this service on the East coast of BC (and the service isn't limited in any way to the West coast), I respectfully offer a rewording of this sentence for clarity. Revert it or reshape it, but pls consider what "on the West coast" actually means. Tks. Joevanisland 18:07, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * NPOV. NPOV!!! When the sea that used to cover Alberta returns, you'll see the error of your ways... Seriously, though, the changes make sense. Thanks for noticing, and for fixing it. --Ckatz chat spy  19:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * HA! Your wit (ahem) sailed right over my head for a moment leaving me thinking, the sea ... Alberta ... what?!? Thanks for the smile, Ckatz, appreciated here! Joevanisland 22:09, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Ports of call list
--  Denelson83  19:49, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Redundant Accidents section
It appears that the accidents section is duplicated in the articles for each individual vessel; which to me is where that level of detail belongs. I'm guessing it was created here before the individual articles existed. I think at this point the few missing vessel articles should be created, then the Accidents section should be purged from this article as this one should be a higher level over-view of the organization, not of the ships themselves. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 01:02, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

This has been discussed further up the page, I am wanting to review, expand and create all relevant BC Ferry related articles to bring them in line with especially thier closest counterparts Alaska Marine Highway and Washington State Ferries but also look at the handling of oversea ferry companies. It is likely that only the most notable of accidents by some criteria will remain on the main page, the QoTN sinking will probably remain for sometime regardless of criteria decided. Gunther87 (talk) 19:57, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Website Down
I am not sure if it qualifies as a paragraph on the page somewhere, but yesterday the BC Ferries site went down due to someone in their IT department not renewing their IP address or something like that. Here is the news article: BC Ferries Website Down. Thought it was pretty funny, especially since I need to book a reservation for our long weekend coming up! 129.42.208.186 (talk) 22:10, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Accident section extremely poorly weighted.
The accident section is (from my quick observations of my browser's scroll bar) over 25% of the article. This is completely off base for a corporation that has historically been considered comparatively safe. Secondly, that section could use much better referencing. Other editors thoughts?
 * Peace and Passion ☮ ''("I'm listening....") 23:47, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

PS And holy crap, I just noticed the Table of Contents (which is in the lead) being over 50% accidents! This is totally unreasonable. PPS And the History section is extremely temporally unbalanced, with half of the paragraphs on the topic of a shipbuilding issue in 2004! BC Ferries has a long and complicated history....

Arrow Lakes ferries.....
These used to be Department of Highways.....are they BC Ferries now? Wondering what to say on the Galena Bay and Needles-Fauquier Ferry articles and the like, and re Commons cats for pix.Skookum1 (talk) 05:17, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The freshwater ferries are still under the direct control of the BCMoT. They have nothing to do with BC Ferries. --  Denelson83  01:17, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

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My splitting proposal
I propose that the section Accidents and incidents be split into a separate page called List of BC Ferries accidents and incidents. The content of the current page seems off-topic due to the page. The section and subsections are large enough to make their own page. Cascadia630 (talk) 03:47, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with this. The section absolutely dominates this page and could make for a standalone article. — Kawnhr (talk) 01:53, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

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User:Omegatron/libration

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After changes

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Can animated images be resized?

Heh. They can, but not perfectly. I was going to say the original should be higher resolution, and then sized down for articles. Looks like the algorithms aren't perfect, though.

Replacement image from Tom Ruen

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Nest (album)

Nest is the fourth studio album by Canadian rock band Odds. It was the band's last album until the release of "Cheerleader" in 2008.

"Someone Who's Cool" was the album's most successful single, peaking at #2 in Canada. The album's second single, "Make You Mad", was also a top 10 hit.

Track listing
All songs written by Odds (Craig Northey, Doug Elliott, Pat Steward, Steven Drake)
 * 1) "Someone Who's Cool" - 3:17
 * 2) "Make You Mad" - 4:07
 * 3) "Hurt Me" - 3:45
 * 4) "Heard You Wrong" - 3:59
 * 5) "Tears & Laughter" - 4:05
 * 6) "Nothing Beautiful" - 3:07
 * 7) "Say You Mean It Wondergirl" - 3:16
 * 8) "Out Come Stars" - 4:24
 * 9) "Night's Embrace" - 3:59
 * 10) "Suppertime" - 3:51
 * 11) "At Your Word" - 3:57

title: Nest (album)


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