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"Because of this, however, the ship avoided a deadly crash into Psi 2000." - why the "however"? There's no contradiction imo. (clem 23:01, 28 August 2005 (UTC))

Uh...then fix it? Better than complaining about it. Cyberia23 02:47, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I think there needs to be a separate article devoted to the concept of "naked time" as popularized by that one flash cartoon, and before that, dana carvey.

Trivia
There's some fairly non-notable trivia, best left perhaps to the Memory-alpha wiki. In order, the appearance of the Lieutenant Junior Grade, appearance of all three female regulars and the use of protective suits by the crew on Psi-2000. I'll remove them now, please discuss here if they should be kept (or anything else removed) Alastairward 08:07, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I think one of the interesting things in this episode is a line that got by the censors. When Sulu is running around with his sword he grabs Uhaura and calls her "fair maiden" and she says she is neither. No biggie these days, but for back then to say she wasn't a maid, i.e. she was sexually active, was a big deal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.191.157.40 (talk) 08:52, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Scotty about the laws of Physics
In this episode Scotty clearly says "I can't change the laws of physics", rather than the "I canna' change the laws of physics" meme/cliche. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.132.204.79 (talk) 10:09, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Coming from a part of the world where accents aren't that different, it does very much sound like a clear "can't". But I double checked with the DVD subtitles all the same, it's definitely "can't". WikiuserNI (talk) 20:52, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Mechanism for going back in time
Concerning the previously untested theory to get the Enterprise's engines running again to avoid burning up and crashing into a planet which also brings them back some 3 days back in time, Spock mentions a connection between "anti-matter and time". Although this is not explicitely stated, I think the writers were thinking of the Wheeler-Feynman time-symmetric theory which involves EM waves that propagate from the future into the present (or the present into the past). This theory was the precursor to quantum electrodynamics which eventually dealt with antimatter.TonyMath (talk) 22:10, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

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I had an edit reverted because a moderator alleges that "standalone" is a real word. I have never seen it. I have seen "stand alone" and "stand-alone" in context to items under discussion. The context is splitting off half of an episode to make the story into two episodes. I believe this reversion was not justified, and that the two words, with or without the hypen, is more descriptive of what was done to The Naked Time, the second part of which became Tomorrow Is Yesterday.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roy Jaruk (talk • contribs) 04:34, 18 February 2021(UTC)
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Galaktoboureko

Galaktoboureko (γαλακτομπούρεκο,, Laz böreği, Qumështor, شعيبيات) is a Greek, Albanian, Laz, and Syrian dessert of custard baked in filo. Lazi Laz böreği is made with a type of pudding called muhallebi instead of semolina custard. It is popular In the Rize and Artvin provinces in Turkey's Black Sea Region, indigenous home of Laz people. In Albania it's a dessert traditionally prepared during the Orthodox Easter.

Preparation
It may be made in a pan, with filo layered on top and underneath and cut into square portions, or rolled into individual servings (often approximately 10 cm long). It is served or coated with a clear, sweet syrup. The custard may be flavored with lemon, orange, or rose. Unlike mille-feuille, which it otherwise resembles, the custard is baked with the pastry, not added afterwards.

Laz böreği
Lazi paponi/Laz böreği is made with a variation of the pudding called muhallebi with the inclusion of cornmeal and ground black pepper, instead of semolina custard. It is popular in the Rize and Artvin provinces in the Black Sea Region, indigenous Laz land. Its ingredients are thin filo dough, butter, muhallebi, black pepper and simple syrup. Today, it's possible to eat Laz böreği at some restaurants in big cities which serve traditional dishes from the Black Sea region.

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Turkey actually did not drift to a fundamentalist regime. On the contrary secular armed forces made a cup and banned erotic movies in order to protect general public morality. Therefore Inanç started to direct epics.

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Contract manufacturer

A contract manufacturer (CM) is a manufacturer that contracts with a firm for components or products (in which case it is a turnkey supplier). It is a form of outsourcing. A contract manufacturer performing packaging operations is called copacker or a contract packager. Brand name companies focus on product innovation, design and sales, while the manufacturing takes place in independent factories (the turnkey suppliers).

Most turnkey suppliers specialize in simply manufacturing physical products, but some are also able to handle a significant part of the design and customization process if needed. Some turnkey suppliers specialize in one base component (ex. memory chips) or a base process (e.g. plastic molding).

Business model
In a contract manufacturing business model, the hiring firm approaches the contract manufacturer with a design or formula. The contract manufacturer will quote the parts based on processes, labor, tooling, and material costs. Typically a hiring firm will request quotes from multiple CMs. After the bidding process is complete, the hiring firm will select a source, and then, for the agreed-upon price, the CM acts as the hiring firm's factory, producing and shipping units of the design on behalf of the hiring firm.

Job production is, in essence, manufacturing on a contract basis, and thus it forms a subset of the larger field of contract manufacturing. But the latter field also includes, in addition to jobbing, a higher level of outsourcing in which a product-line-owning company entrusts its entire production to a contractor, rather than just outsourcing parts of it.

Industries that use the practice
Many industries use this process, especially the aerospace, defense, computer, semiconductor, energy, medical, food manufacturing, personal care, packaging, and automotive fields. Some types of contract manufacturing include CNC machining, complex assembly, aluminum die casting, grinding, broaching, gears, and forging. The pharmaceutical industry uses this process with CMs called contract manufacturing organizations, constituting a $14 billion business segment around 2022. In the semiconductor industry, this practice is called the foundry model. Contract manufacturing is specially prevalent in the electronics industry.

Purpose, benefits, and risks
There are many benefits as well as risks to contract manufacturing. Companies are finding many reasons why they should outsource their production to other companies. However, production outside of the company has many risks attached. Companies must first identify their core competencies before deciding about contract manufacturers. A company's competencies are what make them competitive in the marketplace. If a company allows another company to take control of them, it loses that advantage.

When deciding about contract manufacture, the company should weigh the benefits and associated risks. For small companies, contract manufacturing may not be a good business strategy. For large companies that are trying to extend into new markets, contract manufacturing may be a good choice.

Benefits

 * Cost savings – Companies save on their cost of capital because they do not have to pay for a facility and the equipment needed for production. They can also save on labor costs such as wages, training and benefits. Some companies may look to contract manufacture in low-cost countries, such as India, to benefit from the low cost of labor.
 * Mutual benefit to contract site – A contract between the manufacturer and the company it’s producing for may last several years. The manufacturer will know that it will have a steady flow of business until then.
 * Advanced skills – Companies can take advantage of skills that they may not possess, but the contract manufacturer does. The contract manufacturer is likely to have relationships formed with raw material suppliers or methods of efficiency within their production.
 * Quality – Contract manufacturers are likely to have their own methods of quality control in place that helps them to detect counterfeit or damaged materials early.
 * Focus – Companies can focus on their core competencies better if they can hand off base production to an outside company.
 * Economies of scale – Contract manufacturers have multiple customers that they produce for. Because they are servicing multiple customers, they can offer reduced costs in acquiring raw materials by benefiting from economies of scale. The more units there are in one shipment, the less expensive the price per unit will be.

Risks

 * Lack of Control – When a company signs the contract allowing another company to produce their product, they lose a significant amount of control over that product. They can only suggest strategies to the contract manufacturer; they cannot force them to implement them.
 * Relationships - It is imperative that the company forms a good relationship with its contract manufacturer. The company must keep in mind that the manufacturer has other customers. They cannot force them to produce their product before a competitor’s. Most companies mitigate this risk by working cohesively with the manufacturer and awarding good performance with additional business.
 * Quality concerns – When entering into a contract, companies must make sure that the manufacturer’s standards are congruent with their own. They should evaluate the methods in which they test products to make sure they are of good quality. The company has to rely on the contract manufacturer for having good suppliers that also meet these standards.
 * Intellectual property loss – When entering into a contract, a company is divulging their formulas or technologies. This is why it is important that a company not give out any of its core competencies to contract manufacturers. It is very easy for an employee to download such information from a computer and steal it.
 * Outsourcing risks – Although outsourcing to low-cost countries has become very popular, it does bring along risks such as language barriers, cultural differences and long lead times. This could make the management of contract manufacturers more difficult, expensive and time-consuming.
 * Capacity constraints – If a company does not make up a large portion of the contract manufacturer’s business, they may find that they are de-prioritized over other companies during high production periods. Thus, they may not obtain the product they need when they need it.
 * Loss of flexibility and responsiveness – Without direct control over the manufacturing facility, the company will lose some of its ability to respond to disruptions in the supply chain. It may also hurt their ability to respond to demand fluctuations, risking their customer service levels.
 * Pricing – This addition of a second company and second profit margin to be achieved, adds in cost to the product. The impact is seen either in a higher selling price to the customer or in a reduced profit margin for the company.

Protectionism
In an international context, establishing a foreign subsidiary as a contract manufacturer can have favorable tax benefits for the parent company, allowing them to reduce overall tax liabilities and increase profits, depending upon the activities of the contract manufacturer. This is a form of true protectionism.

The iPad and iPhone, which are products of Apple Inc., are manufactured in China by Foxconn. Some devices may also be manufactured by Pegatron. Apple may move some fraction of iPhone assembly into the United States in the near future.

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Triptolemos (play)

Triptolemos (Ancient Greek: Τριπτόλεμος) is a lost play of Sophocles. It was one of the plays which he produced in 468 BC for the City Dionysia, the year he first won the prize for tragedy at the festival. Though the play is usually assumed to have been a tragedy, this is not certain, and it might instead have been a satyr play. The plot of the play is not known, though it probably centered around Triptolemos' mission to bring the art of agriculture to Greece. Fragments of the lost play still remain. For example, Dionysius of Halicarnassus claims that in this play, Sophocles made reference to Italy in the following iambic verses:

And after this, first, then, upon the right, Oenotria wide-outstretched and Tyrrhene Gulf, And next the Ligurian land shall welcome thee.

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Hendrik Timmer

Hendrik ("Henk") Timmer (8 February 1904 – 13 November 1998) was a Dutch sportsman, who primarily played tennis. Born in Utrecht, Timmer also won golf tournaments, became Dutch squash champion, played badminton and hockey. He died aged 94 in Bilthoven, four days before his former doubles partner Kea Bouman. Apart from being a Dutch tennis champion, he was Swiss, Welsh and Scottish indoors champion as well.

Tennis career
He began his tennis career at the age of 19 when he won his first Dutch national championships. He scored his first international victory over Donald Greig in a mixed international team match between the Netherlands and Great Britain in 1923. The next year he drew international attention when he was featured in the championship match for the Swiss covered courts title in St. Moritz defeating the Hungarian champion Béla von Kehrling in five sets. At the 1924 Paris Olympics he won a bronze medal in the tennis' mixed doubles event, partnering Kea Bouman. He entered the inaugural British Hard Court Championships making it to the quarterfinal stage.

He reached the quarterfinal of the Wimbledon Championships in 1927 and 1929. In both years he lost to Frenchman, and eventual winner, Henri Cochet. In 1927 he was barely recovered from a broken leg, which he suffered four-month prior to the tournament and thus lost in five sets, after winning the first two sets, and in 1929 in three straight sets. He was a 9 times national tennis champion of Netherlands having two four-years streak between 1927–30 and 1932–35. He also won eight national doubles title and five mixed doubles titles as well.

In 1926 he was the mixed doubles challenger for the international edition of the Dutch championships pairing with Irma Kallmeyer, but was overcome by the couple of Julie Stroink-Cords and De Beer. In 1929 he was a finalist of the Dutch international championships with his partner Wilbur Coen losing to the American champions Bill Tilden and Frank Hunter. In the same tournament Timmer reached the semifinal where he was eliminated by Hunter in three sets. Next year he faced Tilden again in an unsuccessful doubles final rematch; that time Timmer teamed with compatriot Arthur Diemer Kool, while Tilden chose Daniel Prenn. He also lost the mixed doubles final with Else Støckel to Roderich Menzel and Margaretha Dros-Canters. A week later he met Menzel again for the singles trophy of the Grand Hotel Panhans Championships in Semmering where he was beaten in three straight sets. In October 1930 he celebrated a triple crown feat at the Welsh Covered Court Championships in Llandudno where he clinched the singles, doubles and mixed doubles titles. In November he won the Lowland Championships of England in Peebles. He endorsed the doubles final partnering Francis Fisher.

He missed the whole 1931 season because of an illness. In early 1932 he suffered from pneumonia. In mid-June he made his comeback as a runner-up for the Queen's Club Championships having it lost to Jack Crawford in four sets. In Liverpool at the Northern tournament he clinched the title by defeating home-favorite Nigel Sharpe. The same year he played his first Dutch international final against von Kehrling but came short. The following year he went for the title again but was stopped the second time by Giorgio de Stefani in a four set final. Timmer found consolation in the doubles contest where he and Kehrling took revenge by defeating de Stefani and George Lyttleton-Rogers and gaining the title. The key of the winning form was that Timmer overcame his well-known weak serve. Also in 1933 he participated in the West of England Championships only losing to Daniel Prenn in the final. In the 1934 Dutch International Championships Timmer was eliminated early in the semifinal by Hermann Artens. He was also unsuccessful in retaining the doubles title with Kehrling as the Austrian duo of Artens and Georg von Metaxa won that title as well. He had to skip the 1937 season as a result of rheumatism in his shoulder. He fought one of his last matches in 1938 against Kenneth Gandar-Dower, a victory of only two sets.

Playing style
His main weapon was his pure and hard backhand. His only weakness was his service, a shot that lacked strength and character. In 1934 Harry Hopman named him "one of the best hardcourt players of the world". Bill Tilden praised his stroke technique and described him as an all-court player, who adapted a "French" tennis style. Timmer considered himself a baseline player. He was coached by former Davis Cup player Gerard Scheurleer. He practised three times a week with Davis Cup partner Christiaan van Lennep.

Other sports achievements
In 1941 he won the national squash championships. In speed skating he completed the Elfstedentocht three times. In golf he won the De Golfbag Cup of Noordwijk in 1934. The next year he won the Noordwijk Golf Club first prize in an 18-hole bogey tournament. During his golf career he claimed ten golf titles.

Personal life
Timmer was born on 8 February 1904 to an English teacher father. His wife was Annetje Timmer. He worked as an insurance agent for a major company. Apart from playing tennis he also coached the Dutch royalty for free including Juliana of the Netherlands.

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Suggestions
-- Redtigerxyz Talk 03:11, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Page numbers missing in ref 1, 4 etc.
 * In The role of divine forces, can the long headings be shortened, like Samkya view, Vedanta view?
 * Use citeweb for formatting web ref (bare urls) like http://www.shaivam.org/hipkarma.htm
 * Vedanta's refutations and A Supreme God is ultimately the enforcer of karma but humans have the free will to choose good or evil - need to be merged as present similar ideas
 * Gita interpretations and role of Guru uses the WP:PRIMARY source (Verses 4:14, 9.22 and 18.61) as ref, specify specific book which interprets the verses like that.

I agree that simplifying may be better, but for a third party with no exposure to Hinduism, it's probably easier summarizing the main idea, than characterizing it as a Vedanta view. Raj2004 (talk) 14:57, 24 January 2010 (UTC) ____

The section titles, the lengthy ones should be shortened. For Ex : "Neither supreme God nor does lesser divinities exist; rituals alone yield the fruits of karma" can be changed to "Views by Mimamsakas", and in the text of this section, the contents of the title can be paraphrased as "According to Mimamsakas, Neither supreme God nor does lesser divinities ..." The section "The role of divine forces" needs to be worked out on this front. --TheMandarin (talk) 04:08, 5 February 2010 (UTC) why are your fucking words misspleald

Transmigration in older Vedic texts
Apropos of this edit. I'm somewhat dismayed by the reference: I really thought Yuvraj Krishan was a more careful scholar. But here he is clearly cherry-picking. Worse, he is ignoring the literature on the subject, and that too after actually citing some authors, specifically Keith and Oldenberg. In short, Krishan's signal failure to address the views in prior literature means that he is not stating an academic consensus (as would be appropriate for a citation, especially in the lede) but merely his own opinion. However, I'm quite aware that not a few editors would dearly like to find transmigration in the Rgveda, so I'm going to let the edit stand for a while, if only to see who wants to defend it. rudra (talk) 08:21, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Krishan cites Keith's The Religion and Philosophy of the Veda and Upanishads (full text at archive.org, Vol 1 and Vol 2) in this chapter, but quite remarkably says nothing about the discussion on p. 570ff. (in Vol 2), where among other verses, 1.164.30 and 1.164.38 in particular are treated. Sample:
 * Krishan also cites Keith's Rigveda Brahmanas (full text) for AB.2.8, but again fails to take note of Keith's introduction, p.44:

Copying of this Wikipedia article from an Indian publisher
Professor Pandey in his book, Encylopedia of Indian Philosophy, appeared to take excerpts from the Wikipedia article and pasted it in his book; I was checking Google Books and note that whole excerpts from the wikipedia article on Karma in Hinduism were published in Vraj Kumar Pandey 's Encyclopedia of Indian Philosophy, pg. 33 See, http://books.google.com/books?cd=1&q=swami+sivananda+karma+vraj+kumar+pandey&btnG=Search+Books I don't know if Mr Pandey acknowledge in a footnote in his book, Wikipedia?

I changed one of the references to Thirugnana Sambanthar in the current article, since the referenced 2004 web link was dead, and Mr. Pandey seemed to have copied the Wikipedia article anyway. Indeed, the earliest versions of the article with reference to Swami Sivananda, with reference to karma was made in 2004 way prior to the 2007 publication of Professor Pandey: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Karma_in_Hinduism&oldid=8711064 I hope that he referenced Wikipedia. The Google snippet was a limited preview so I don't know whether he referenced wikipedia.

The publisher is Anmol Publications. Raj2004 (talk) 18:39, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I e-mailed the publisher. They acknowledged this mistake by stating, "Respected sir we deeply regret that your name didn't come in book references.this was part of a mistake done by our research team.we will definately add your name in next edition. thanking u for informing our mistake." Raj2004 (talk) 18:39, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

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All sources in the "The role of Divine sources" section have just been marked unreliable
I'd just like to draw attention of other editors to Mark Muesse's edit yesterday

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Karma_in_Hinduism&diff=630441824&oldid=620930373

He marked every citation in the section "The role of Divine sources" as unreliable. This is to support a sentence he added to the Karma article a few days ago "The law of karma operates independent of any deity or any process of divine judgment" without qualification in its Karma section - at the same time he also removed my "disputed" tag from that sentence.

I am a Buddhist and don't know much about Hinduism - but I don't find it credible that all those citations are wrong, including e.g. a Hindu temple website writing about their own beliefs, also I've searched google scholar and come across it in scholarly articles also. Some of the sources may be unreliable perhaps but they can't ALL be wrong. Including also the accounts for individual Hindu traditions which some of them have separate articles here.

But I am not knowledgeable about Hinduism. Don't know what to do but want to draw your attention to this dispute.

See Talk:Karma Robert Walker (talk) 10:26, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

 * Peruse WP:Reliable. As that wiki page explains, unreliable, questionable sources are those with no editorial oversight. Such sources include websites and publications expressing personal opinions and fringe views. This article has many unreliable sources; for example, among others, chennaionline.com blogs, promotional materials, one source is Encyclopedia of Indian Philosophy, by Vraj Kumar Pandey which was a copy and paste of an old version of wikipedia article - something discussed here and for which Pandey/Publisher apologized; these sources do not meet WP:Reliable guidelines.
 * The GA review of this article made similar comments on factual accuracy and verifiability, a while ago. Kind regards, Mark.muesse (talk) 20:34, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

 * Mark, they are not all unreliable. I agree that wikipedia of course shouldn't use cut and past copies of itself as citations. That was okay - indeed it would have been acceptable to just remove that citation, wikipedia shouldn't cite itself, obviously, even if part of it is made into a book.

 * But you marked them all as unreliable. I didn't check them all - but for instance, this seems a major website about hinduism: Shaiva.org which you marked as unreliable. We don't have to only rely on scholarly sources in wikipedia. That's notable enough to count as a notable source, - if a website by Hindus about their own religion isn't reliable, what is? Similarly you marked the outreach education website of a Hindu temple Sri Siva Vishnu Temple as an unreliable source.

 * I don't think either of those would be considered unreliable according to Wikipedia's guidelines. The criticisms of the sources on this page you link to are part of an old conversation from 4 years ago. It would be appropriate to add a tag saying that better citations are needed. What it has now are not the best primary sources but the sort of thing you would use along with other sources just fine (apart from the bookified wikipedia article which should be just removed, it is definitely not acceptable).

 * it is also easy to find scholarly articles saying the same things as these sources. Just try a google search in google scholar

 * And it is not uncommon for scholarly sources to contradict each other. So - you can't conclude, just because you found a scholarly source saying that there is no role of Divine intervention in Hinduism, that therefore all the other sources saying the opposite are unreliable. It could be that your source is the unreliable one. It's been my experience that many scholarly articles on Buddhism are inaccurate. While others are thorough and well researched. For sure, it can sometimes be hard to know which is which. Robert Walker (talk) 13:53, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

 * This is the most scholarly and thorough source I have found so far, in a quick Google scholar / Google Books search. But because of the problem establishing which are the reliable primary sources in this subject (and also because he says a few things about Buddhism that I'm not sure are accurate leading me to wonder about the quality of his information about Hinduism) - I wouldn't say we should rely on him as a primary source. Just an indication that there may be some Hindus who think this way, equally scholarly, and backing up what this page says.

 * ""Because of the difficulty  of accounting  for  the action  of the  law  of karma  naturally, some  have  argued  that  a god  of  some  sort  is  a necessary  component  of any system which advocates  the law of    karma.   There   must  be  some  sort   of  theistic        administrator  or supervisor for karma, For example,        `Sa.nkara  argues  that  the original karmic  actions        themselves  cannot bring about the proper results at        some  future   time;   neither   can  supersensuous,        nonintelligent  qualities  like apuurva or ad.r.s.ta        by  themselves   mediate   the  appropriate,  justly        deserved  pleasure and pain.  The fruits, then, must        be administered  through  the action  of a conscious        agent,  namely,  God  (II`svara).(13) In  a  similar        vein, Nyaaya  uses this as one of its arguments  for        the existence  of God.  Our karmic  acts  result  in        merits  and  demerits.   Since  unconscious   things        generally do not move except when caused by an agent        (the  ax moves  only  when  swung  by an agent), and        since  the  law  of karma  is an  unintelligent  and        unconscious  law, there must be a conscious  God who        knows  the merits  and demerits  which persons  have        earned  by their  actions, and  who functions  as an        instrumental cause in helping individuals reap their        appropriate fruits.  Though immobile, he affects the        person's environment, even to its atoms, and for the        reincarnate  produces the appropriate  rebirth body,        all  in  order  that  the  person   might  have  the        karmically appropriate experiences.""

 * From: Karma, causation, and divine intervention By Bruce R. Reichenbach, ' Philosophy East and West' Volume 39, no.2 April 1989

 * Robert Walker (talk) 14:42, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

 * Have just posted here asking for help from any Hindu or expert on Hinduism who knows which are reliable primary sources. Talk:Hinduism Robert Walker (talk) 03:15, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

 * Mark.muesse Have just found an article by Sivananda_Saraswati a noted Hindu spiritual teacher, who uses Karma as one of his proofs of existence of God using this same argument as the previous quote (I found it while searching for a primary source for Reichenbach's statement) - that he is needed in order to dispense the fruits of Karma.

 * ""Some people die when they are eighty years old; some die when they are in the womb; some die at twenty; some at forty. What is the cause for the variation? Who has fixed the span of life for all? This clearly proves that there is the theory of Karma, that there is one Omniscient Lord, who is the dispenser of the fruits of the actions of the Jivas, who fixes the span of life of the Jivas in accordance with their nature of Karma or actions, who knows the exact relation between Karmas and their fruits. As Karma is Jada or insentient, it certainly cannot dispense with the fruits of their actions.""

 * It is a diverse religion so it is no objection at all if you find that he is unusual in his views - as a noted Hindu expressing his views, it counts as Hinduism. And as his own writings, you can't question its reliability or that it is a primary source.

 * See God Exists Robert Walker (talk) 07:00, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

 * I am giving an outside opinion here, because one has been requested on the talk:Hinduism page. As per, WP:RS, the best sources are third party academic sources.  I didn't see many such sources in this debate.  Sivananda Saraswati is a notable Hindu preacher.  So, his views can be mentioned here with an inline attribution to him, but not as fact.  The "fact" in this case what the majority of Hindus believe in, and that is not something the Swami Sivananda would know.  So, his is an opinion, no matter how notable he is.  Speaking for myself, as a practising Hindu, I would say that karma is generally understood by Hindus to be an automatic causation of action-reaction without any divine intervention.  Some people do believe in divine intervention in everything.  Such people would also believe in divine intervention in karma (as a special case). Disregarding those interventionists, all the other people either believe that karma acts on its own or, even if it is administered by a divine being, it is administered according to the theory, not by divine discretion.  To put it a bit more explicitly, if you have bad karma, you will suffer, no matter how much God wants to help you!  Now, that is bad news for preachers.  They are compelled to say that God can wash away bad karma if you pray.  But perhaps praying itself is good karma that can wash away bad karma.  Nobody knows how it exactly works.  Hope this helps. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 18:07, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

 * Okay -I wonder if that section then needs an edit of the introduction making it clear that it is a minority view. I guessed that it might be. BTW does he count as Nyaya himself? I've absolutely no idea, I'm way out of my depth here. Someone else needs to edit this, I think, to fix it, just put it in as a "stub". If you think you can express it better do go ahead, as far as I'm concerned anyway. I've no idea about reliable sources - just is obvious from his writing that there is at least one notable Hindu, who thinks this way, and added it as the best citation I could find in a google search. But as to further nuances, well someone else has to sort that out! BTW in Buddhism also nobody knows exactly how it works, it is one of the four imponderables - and it is not the result of any divine intervention of course. Robert Walker (talk) 03:34, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Proof of existence of God from Karma
I've added a new section on this, since we now have a good primary source, also found entry on Nyaya which gives more information - added their primary source as a ref likewise. Obviously needs attention of an expert - but I thought it needed at least a minimal stub mention in the article so have just gone ahead and added it. Robert Walker (talk) 13:45, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Western Bias in main Karma article
An RfC seems an obvious way ahead but the editor who feels strongly that the article should remain as it is has shown no interest in a RfC.

The issue is that the article has a Karma section which is based on an article by a Western philosopher Whitely Kaufman, called "Karma, Rebirth and the problem of evil" presented to the "Revisioning Karma" conference.

It presents many conclusions Kaufman made about Karma, and presents them in objective "encyclopaedic tone" as issues with all such ideas not just in Western adaptations of the ideas but in the original Hindu and Buddhist ideas of karma. Also it is presented before the sections on Karma in Hinduism, Buddhism etc - so at that point in the article the reader hasn't yet been exposed to the original ideas.

There is no evidence as far as I can see that her arguments have been accepted as even of interest by Eastern scholars. Those involved in the debate as far as I can see are Western theologians and philosophers. At any rate, no Eastern scholars as far as I can see in the papers submitted to the conference on "Revisioning Karma".

For details, see Talk:Karma

As you'll see there also, another editor, Dorje presented a suggestion for re-ordering the page that was supported by myself also and one other editor but it came to nothing Talk:Karma

I don't know what to do next, I know sometimes on Wikipedia there is nothing you can do in cases like this, just drawing your attention to this. Suggestions welcome!

Robert Walker (talk)

Please rely on academic sources
Please rely on academic sources rather than popular teachers.VictoriaGraysonTalk 18:09, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

 * Yes indeed - that's the problem though What are the academic sources then? I think the citation from a notable teacher is enough to show that some Hindus think this way - but not whether they are few or many or how significant or insignificant this view is in Hinduism etc - what is the broader context?

 * It's been my experience that many sources by Westerners who are not specialist in Eastern religion, such as philosophers or anthropologists, cannot be trusted, are often unreliable or over simplified, and misrepresent core ideas. At least that's the case for the Buddhist teachings so I expect it is also true for Hinduism. So you have to know where to look.

 * The Karma in Buddhism (not edited by me I hasten to add) has many good sources both Eastern and Western. Surely there must be equally many in Hinduism, indeed many more. Is there anyone here with knowledge of those sources? Of good quality sources? I'm a Buddhist - and just a Buddhist practitioner, not a scholar in that field - and ended up in discussion here just because of that sentence in the Karma article - which seems is surely incorrect - but what are the best citations? Can some Hindu scholar step in and supply them? There are surely many Hindu scholars - is there anyone here with the expertise to sort out this article? Robert Walker (talk) 03:20, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately, as far as I know, I don't know many scholars who are familiar with the specific topic of karma in hinduism. The Brahma Sutras is an authoritative Vedantic test regarding karma in Hinduism, but other than Swami Sivananda, I am not aware of academic sources (Swami sivananda was a respected teacher, not a professor) who is knowledgeable on the subject.

The academic study of religion is like literature. The best in religion are popular teachers unlike academics, similarly to writers vs academics in literature.

However, the article does quote some academics when it can such as Reichenbach, Bruce R. (April 1989). "Karma, causation, and divine intervention". Philosophy East and West (Hawaii: University of Hawaii Press), Encyclopedia of Indian Philosophy, pg. 34, by Vraj Kumar Pandey, Motilal Banarsidass Publishers, Dasgupta, Surendranath, A History of Indian Philosophy, Volume V, The Southern Schools of Saivism, p. 87. and Krishnan, Yuvraj, "The Doctrine of Karma," 1997, Motilal Banarsidass Publishers. It appears that the Google web link for the Krishnan resource is dead due to Google's decision to stop allowing links based upon a court copyright law decision.

Raj2004 (talk) 13:04, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

 * There are thousands of scholarly articles on "karma in Hinduism". This article does not rely on peer reviewed scholarly sources. It needs a major revision. Visit a good library. You will find numerous scholarly sources on karma and Hinduism (as well as other Indian religions). Kind regards, Mark.muesse (talk) 18:26, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I am not the sole author of the article on Karma in Hinduism. I am the one who added articles from academics such as "Karma, causation, and divine intervention". Philosophy East and West (Hawaii: University of Hawaii Press), Encyclopedia of Indian Philosophy, pg. 34, by Vraj Kumar Pandey, Motilal Banarsidass Publishers, Dasgupta, Surendranath, A History of Indian Philosophy, Volume V, The Southern Schools of Saivism, p. 87. and Krishnan, Yuvraj, "The Doctrine of Karma," 1997, Motilal Banarsidass Publishers and noted teacher such as Swami Sivananda. So your comments do not pertain to me. If you have academic sources, please add. Thanks. Raj2004 (talk) 01:22, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Contrary to what you believe, there are not thousands of scholarly articles on Karma in Hinduism. Professors focus more on religious practices and other theological aspects. In this area, much of the writing has also been done by popular teachers. If you have some of those thousand sources, please add. Even good libraries have more sources on the Abrahamic religions, rather than Hinduism.

Thanks. Raj2004 (talk) 13:09, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Failed verification and other issues
Dear Raj2004, You removed the "failed verification" and other tags, which after rechecking the sources, I have re-added.

I placed a tag, in Ramanuja section that alleges the phrase, "due to Vishnu as the supreme Enforcer of karma" (a tag you removed here). I have rechecked Krishan cite, pages 155-156 which you allege supports this. These failed verification. Neither of those pages nor the entire chapter of Krishan ever makes any reference to "Vishnu as the supreme Enforcer". I have checked the history of edits, and it is you who originally added that summary (see 1 and 2). In good faith, I am assuming you accidentally cited the wrong pages, and for now I have just tagged it. Please identify where in Krishan's book is Ramanuja alleged to refer to "Vishnu as the supreme Enforcer of karma".

You allege Tapsyananda is a noted scholar. Noted by whom? Please identify any peer reviewed scholarly literature or reliable secondary or tertiary source that cite Tapsyananda and his personal opinions about karma. I tried searching citation index and he is not mentioned even in one source. What persuades you that Tapsyananda is a cited, non-fringe reliable source on karma literature? Kind regards, Mark.muesse (talk) 14:04, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Dear Mark:

Saw your comments on Karma in Hinduism. Some that you removed were appropriate such as "Vishnu as the supreme Enforcer of karma." I apologize for the error. Yes, Swami Tapsasynanda is not an academic (see, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Tapasyananda_%28Ramakrishna_Mission%29). He appears to have been a respected scholar of the Ramakrishna Mission as he appears to have written many books (according to Google Scholar, http://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=0&q=Tapasyananda&hl=en&as_sdt=0,31)

Should that not that carry some weight for citation? Because in some religious studies, you may not always find academics who are authorities on the subject. Thanks. Raj2004 (talk) 23:10, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Atomic Betty

Untitled
In the second entry under trivia, there is what appears to be an episode summary. This doesn't seem to belong here, and definately needs a rewrite even if it does. 62.252.128.17 23:07, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Titles and character names in other languages?
Could someone provide the titles of the show and character names in different languages? --User:Angie Y. Do you want to put the language in French? --User:Melimited

I'm not sure they would be well received here, but the episode titles in French can be found by going to www.teletoon.com, clicking on the "Francais" side, and searching for the show. Some of the titles translate literally, some don't. If you have a bit of French knowledge you can probably figure out which are which. As far as I have seen from French clips of the show, all character names are identical, although X-5 is referred to as "X Cinq". -- BlueSquadron Raven 16:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Betty's Last Name
I would be most interested to find out where Betty's last name (Barrett) came from. It's never been mentioned in the series, nor is it on the back of any of the toys I've seen assosciated with the show. -- BlueSquadron Raven

Follow up: According to the article history, her last name was added by a known vandal, and quite probably exists only in his own mind. Reference removed. -- BlueSquadron Raven 18:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I have also seen no evidence anywhere of an 88-minute pilot episode being released. Where did this come from? -- BlueSquadron Raven

Follow up: Ditto. -- BlueSquadron Raven 18:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

It could be Barrett; in the Season three episode ''Arr! It be 'olidays!'', Sparky refers to Betty's mother as 'Mrs. B', but all that proves is that Betty's last name begins with a 'B'. Half Shadow  22:59, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Penelope Lang
I think it is incorrect to assume Penelope is Chinese. The surname Lang is often used by Europeans, and both her parents in the show are most definitely caucasian. I would speculate that her darker skin, black hair, and first name of Penelope would indicate a Mediterranean Greek background. -- BlueSquadron Raven 20:13, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Follow-up: Aside from Spindly Tam Kanushu, the only character who seems to have definite Asian features is Penelope's crony Sarah. -- BlueSquadron Raven 20:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I know a person with the name Lang; I thought she was Asian until I saw her: caucasian. 99.250.87.22 (talk) 05:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Changed the entry for X-5 in the voice cast
The link for Bruce Hunter leads to a poet. That clearly isn't the same guy.

Oops. I better unlink it again. -- BlueSquadron Raven 07:57, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

 * The Colin Fox link is also incorrect, leading to a Scottish Politician! There is no page for the Canadian-born actor [Colin Fox IMDB] --CokeBear 11:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Trivia Item
I removed a trivia item about Atomic Betty appearing as the company mascot. While she may be the darling of Atomic Cartoons, she does not consistantly appear in the company's production logos. No character at all appears in the logo following the credits to Captain Flamingo, for example. -- BlueSquadron Raven 08:03, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Betty's Last Name, redux.
Well, at least there's a cite for it now. And, according to Amazon.com's book text search feature, it is there. I have no idea how well it will catch on or if the creators at Atomic Cartoons will consider it canon. Typically, anything that happens in books isn't considered a true part of the series (the only exception I know of is the novels related to Babylon 5), but we'll see if this changes things in the series.

Personally, after William Shatner's appearance as her grandfather, I think her last name should be Kirk. -- BlueSquadron Raven 18:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

For the same reason, I think until the name is confirmed as canon, it does not need to be plastered all over every member of her family. Indeed, so far there's a continuity error within the show as to wheter or not Betty's two known grandparents are the parents of her mother or father, so, discretion should be the order of the day. -- BlueSquadron Raven 16:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Sparky's Race
In the episode "The Doppleganger," X-5 mentions Sparky's race but I can't find an official spelling: Newtronian, Neutronian, etc. Cuteswan 00:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I believe I heard it pronounced "Neutropian" (with a 'p' instead of an 'n'). However, I haven't found a spelling of it either. -- BlueSquadron Raven 17:41, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

You're 100% right. My bad. Cuteswan 16:00, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it's spelled "Newtropian" with a 'w' instead of an 'u'. vince g. 21:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

If there's no source for either and it's completely 50:50, I'd go with 'u' since the show uses an atomic/nuclear theme. 99.250.87.22 (talk) 05:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Mother's Occupation
The page currently states that Betty's mother is a "stereotypical hairdresser," but in "Atomic Roger" she does a horrific job cutting Betty's hair, putting a plastic bowl on her head and using paper scissors (a "home haircutting kit"). Is it explicitly stated in the series or elsewhere that she is a hairdresser or even some form of Cosmetology? If not, perhaps the wording could be changed to "dresses and acts in a stereotypical hairdresser fashion" (or preferably something smoother)? Cuteswan 17:20, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Quite true. I was going to change it based on that very argument, but hadn't gotten to it yet.-- BlueSquadron Raven 04:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Character Listings
With regard to the other arrangement of character listings that has surfaced now and again, if I may be blunt, it is all kinds of terrible. As few categories as possible should be the name of the game, and I think "Recurring Characters" is a better catch-all than breaking them down into "minor" and so on. (Who's to say what may or may not constitute a minor character?) Remember KISS (Keep It Seriously Simple). -- BlueSquadron Raven 04:54, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Related articles
What should I do? Raven? --JSH-alivetalk with mesee my works 09:02, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Atomic Betty (video game)
 * Atomic Betty (album)
 * Atomic Betty: Intergalactic Conspiracy

That is a very good question. Unfortunately, the guy who created the above three articles often runs wild with his edits and doesn't communicate with anyone. He once removed the character listings from this article and placed them in a separate one (a move which I reversed, and then asked for and got the second article deleted). He and his sock puppets are banned frequently. I would otherwise, personally, never have thought of creating these articles based on commercial spin-offs, nor even would think of putting mention of them in the main article. Indeed, I'd almost go so far as to say the two video-game ones should be deleted as well. However, perhaps a related articles list would be best. As yet, I think it would be in the article's best interest not to get fractured and require a disambiguation page, nor get so convoluted as, say, the multiple articles related to Jimmy Neutron, which requires its own navigation template. -- BlueSquadron Raven 19:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

By the way,
Where and what is the source of the Canadian episode order?--JSH-alivetalk to mesee my worksmail to me 09:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Erf... I'll get back to you. (Being Canadian, I can vouch for it, but I'll find a source ASAP.) -- BlueSquadron Raven  19:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Image:Atomic Betty Cast Poster.jpg
You know, if you exclude the site's logo (in the bottom right corner), the poster is almost a perfect copy of the series' opening logo, which would be ideal for the infobox, if someone could find a version minus the logo. — May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg)  (drop me a line) 16:36, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced Statements
I've noticed recently some users have added these statements in the Production section in the article. They read this: According to some Atomic Cartoons staff, Atomic Betty is now available online at Veoh.com and According to some Atomic Cartoons staff, Atomic Betty will return to Cartoon Network in the United States around summer 2007, starting with the rest of the second season episodes. First off, I'd like some answers. I know that Atomic Betty can be seen on Veoh, but since when the Atomic Cartoons staff say it can seen from there? Where are these users getting sources with that info? vince g. 22:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Atomic Betty is available on Veoh but that's just some uploaded recorded episodes by a user, I mean it's not to be taken as official. And according to a survey I made the show is yet to find a broadcaster in the US so that is only a speculation. I'm going to delete it until someone gets a serious proof of it. Pauljonnes 14:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Adding pictures
I'm sure it would be better if we add some more pictures to the article. It would be better that way. I recommend adding the logo, perhaps pics of the most important characters and a random picture from the show Pauljonnes 14:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I found some great photos of some of the main characters Here about a month ago, but I never really considered it for the article. I'll try to put it on the article soon. vince g. 15:41, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that would be perfect.

Recent addition of the screenshots
The screenshots recently added are mostly from http://loucartoon.gozaru.jp/betty/chara01.html and http://loucartoon.gozaru.jp/betty/chara02.html. why don't you confirm it on these pages? (See Uploading images. And, images that does not confirms sources can be deleted.)
 * Image:AtomicBetty.jpg
 * Image:ABSparky.jpg
 * Image:ABX5.jpg
 * Image:Degill.jpg
 * Image:ABNoah.jpg
 * Image:ABPenelope.jpg
 * Image:MaximusIQ.jpg
 * Image:Minimus.jpg
 * Image:ABDad.jpg
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 * Image:ABGranny.jpg
 * Image:Purrsey.jpg
 * Image:Spindly Tam.jpg
 * Image:PenelopeMeganandSarah.jpg
 * Image:Infantor.jpg
 * Image:The Chameleon.jpg
 * Image:Iciclea.jpg

And, please replace Image:Penelobee.jpg by a direct screenshot, not an image pictured TV set by a camera.--JSH-alive 08:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

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Season 3
Does anyone know when the third season of AB will air in Canada? Cartoon Network removed this show about 2 years ago from their lineup here in the United States. I heard at TV.com that the show is on hiatus until the third season airs.

Season 3 will begin in July. Etownoilers (talk) 05:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Merchandise
I agree with BlueSquadronRaven for now-gone "Airing locales" section. But can't agree with the removal of "Other media" section.

It could go like Merchandise section of The Simpsons article, if the sections on the books gets reduced. -- JSH-alive talk • cont • mail 14:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't think merchandise for Atomic Betty even warrants inclusion. The Simpsons is an extraordinary case, given its longevity, and thus deserves a bit of mention, but not this series' stuff. -- BlueSquadron Raven  15:35, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Atomic Betty Template
I've started a discussion at Template talk:Atomic Betty, but I'll mention it here, too. Given the actual number of articles relating to Atomic Betty, is the template really necessary and/or desirable in place of a simple "See also" section in each article with wikilinks? Sure, the template looks pretty and is easy to insert but does it bring much more to things than that given that there's basically only five articles? I'm personally thinking of taking it to WP:TFD. -- BlueSquadron Raven  16:40, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I've just listed it at Templates_for_deletion. -- Blue Squadron  Raven  16:09, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

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Genre
So, why are people removing the citations tags for genre? Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:04, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The citation I removed is utterly useless and tantamount to spam. Did you actually read the source in question? Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 18:09, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I just realized the BFI one doesn't have the same information it used to. But the Allmovie one is acceptable. Otherwise, we need sources for those other genres added. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:11, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Copied from the inappropriate warning on Andrze's talk page: I would agree with the Science Fiction genre per the citation that he's providing. I don't see it being spam, as you can see on the left hand corner they're classifying it as Science Fiction. Now, the removal of genres is something entirely different, though they're unsourced.  D u s t i *Let's talk!* 18:39, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Now that the issue with that particular citation has been resolved, I'd like to return to the broader problem. In general, infoboxes aren't supposed to have citations in them. I moved the remaining genre citation to the actual text of the article, yet someone decided to (partially) revert that and duplicate it instead. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 19:10, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

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Walter Nathan Tobriner

Walter Nathan Tobriner (July 2, 1902 – July 14, 1979) was an American politician who served as the 22nd and final President of the Board of Commissioners of the District of Columbia and a U.S. ambassador.

Early life
Born in Washington, D.C., to a family with deep roots in the District. His father was a DC lawyer. Tobriner attended the Sidwell Friends School, but left for Princeton before graduating. At Princeton University, he graduated with a Bachelor of Arts degree in 1923, and received his law degree from Harvard Law School in 1926.

In 1927, Tobriner was admitted to the bar and began to practice law in the Washington, D.C., area. From 1927 to 1950, he was a professor of law at the National University School of Law.

On July 20, 1933, he married Marienne Smith.

During World War II, from 1943–1946, he served as a Lt. Colonel and legal officer in the Army Air Force. After the war he returned to DC and continued practicing law.

Tobriner served as the president of the board of the Garfield Memorial Hospital, from 1952 to 1955. In 1954, he was president of the board of the Lisner Home for Women. Tobriner acquired the position as director of the Blue Cross Plan in 1953 and maintained this position until 1961. He headed the board of the Washington Hospital Center from 1959 to 1961.

Public Life
Tobriner was appointed to the Washington Board of Education in 1952 and served from 1952 to 1961, the last four years as president. He was an early supporter of Civil Rights and following the Supreme Court's 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision he advocated for speedy compliance with the decision and created a school integration system that became the model for the country.

He served as a delegate to the Democratic National Convention in the years 1956, 1960, and 1964.

In 1961 President Kennedy appointed him to the Board of Commissioners for Washington, D.C., where he served as President from 1961 to 1967, after being re-appointed by President Johnson. He found the three-member Board awkward and inefficient and supported President Johnson's re-organization of the District government under a single Mayor-Commissioner and 9-member council. When the new government took effect it made him the last president of the Board of Commissioners. As commissioner he ended the practice of arresting suspects without probable cause. He supported the re-organization of the police department and brought about fair housing and fair employment ordinances that sought to end racial discrimination. He supported a civil rights unit in the legal office and the creation of 2-year and 4-year public colleges in the District.

During his time on the board he was, from 1964-67, a trustee of the National Cultural Center when plans for the Kennedy Center were drafted; and was, from 1966 to 1967, the chairman of the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority, when the first contracts for the new subway system contracts were awarded.

From 1967 to 1969, Tobriner was the United States ambassador to Jamaica. When his service was over, the U.S. Department of State hired him as a consultant.

Death and legacy
Tobriner died on July 19, 1979, and was buried at National Memorial Park in West Falls Church, Virginia.

His papers are held at George Washington University.

The [https://www.loc.gov/rr/rarebook/coll/tc.html "T.C." Collection]: Early works of Theodore Dreiser collected by Walter N. Tobriner and presented to Roger S. Cohen is available in the Rare Book and Special Collections Division at the Library of Congress, (115 titles).

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Missionary Kid

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was merge and delete  Ingoolemo   talk  19:59, 2005 September 6 (UTC)

Missionary Kid
Just a no-potential dicdef as stands - wracking my brains for a redirect, but can't find one --Doc (?) 23:07, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete but move content to Missionary. "MKs" and "PKs" (preacher's kids) are actually very widely used terms with the missions and church communities.  Paul Klenk 00:32, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Nature Conservancy Council

The Nature Conservancy Council (NCC) was a United Kingdom government agency responsible for designating and managing National Nature Reserves and other nature conservation areas in Great Britain between 1973 and 1991 (it did not cover Northern Ireland).

Origin and Leadership
The NCC was established by the Nature Conservancy Council Act 1973 and replaced the Nature Conservancy, established by Royal Charter in 1949. NCC's duties included:

 * Managing national nature reserves;
 * Providing advice on nature conservation to national and local government;
 * Notifying Sites of Special Scientific Interest;
 * Undertaking certain scientific research.

Robert Edward Boote the former director of Nature Conservancy, having worked on revising its organisation was appointed by the Secretary of State for the Environment as the first Director General of the new NCC. He held this post until retiring in 1980 when Richard Charles Steele became Director General

Structure
The organisation was divided into the three countries, each of which was divided in turn into regions covering several counties. Specialist groups dealt with nationwide issues, such as geology, cartography, grasslands, woodlands, birds, other taxonomic groups etc. There was a national headquarters, at first in Belgrave Square in London, but later in Peterborough.

Chief Scientists

 * Peter Bridgewater (1989–1990)

Publications

 * Earth science conservation in Great Britain: A strategy (1990) Peterborough: Nature Conservancy Council
 * This publication laid out the thinking behind the Regionally important geological site which were introduced in 1990.

Break-up
In 1991, following the passage of the Environmental Protection Act 1990 and the Natural Heritage (Scotland) Act 1991, the Nature Conservancy Council was divided into three:
 * The Scottish part was amalgamated with the Countryside Commission for Scotland to become Scottish Natural Heritage.
 * The Welsh part was amalgamated with the Welsh part of the Countryside Commission for England and Wales to become the Countryside Council for Wales.
 * The remaining English part became English Nature, remaining separate from the Countryside Commission, which also became an England-only body (later these two were included in yet another body, Natural England).
 * A non-statutory Joint Nature Conservation Committee (JNCC) was set up, to coordinate nature conservation between the three country agencies (and their equivalent in Northern Ireland), and to deal with the UK's contributions to international nature conservation (the JNCC later became a statutory body).

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User talk:Doc15071969

Please take part in the improval of this article
Hello. I would like to inform you that there is an ongoing discussion at article Territorial claims of the Baltic States (formerly was known as "Lost territories of the Baltic States", but was recently renamed; some users seems to disagree with that renaming). Recent edits as well were accused of POV, and, in fact, article was disputed for a long time already. There are currently no Latvian contributors to that article, therefore your opinion is much needed. It would be nice if you would add that article to your watchlist and continue helping to improve it until a decition will be reached about its future (there is currently a poll about it in the article's talk page). I hope together we all will be able to make that article neutral. Kaiser 747 10:26, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Jogaila
Hi there. Great post you posted. As you prolly know, despite a whopping victory for the name Jogaila on the previous vote, the Polish users have got upset and called yet another vote. They want to get it moved back to the old unpopular name Władysław II Jagiełło. If you are interested in stopping this, you'll need to cast your vote again. Sorry for all this tediousness. Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 03:51, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Take note that the "whooping victory" was in fact a 16:16 parity. Despite that the article was moved anyway, in violation of wiki rules and procedures. Now is the chance to repair that. Besides, Calgacus is also lying about the name - the one we propose to move it to is Wladyslaw II Jagiello, without diacritics. And that name is at least 10 times more popular with English scientific literature than Jogaila.  // Halibutt 08:59, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

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Devoucoux

Devoucoux, named after its founder, is a French manufacturing company that produces high-end horse saddles.

History
The company was founded in the year 1985 by Jean-Michel Devoucoux in his workshop in the Basque village of Sare. Devoucoux was an ex-apprentice groom from Ciboure in the Pyrénées Atlantiques and had trained to make both harnesses and saddles. The company now has sixty employees.

The initial US product line was launched in 1999.

In 2007, Director Brice Goguet was replaced by Benjamin Auzimour for United States operations, and Didier Brailly took over in the UK.

In 2008, the company supported the British Horse Society by offering a saddle as a prize to new members.

Sponsorship
Devoucoux is an active sponsorship brand, sponsoring riders including Thomas Carlile, Gilles Pons, Rodolphe Scherer, Stanislas de Zuchovitch, Pippa Funnell, Dani Evans, and Jennie Brannigan.

Devoucoux was the sponsor of the $30,000 Otter Creek Grand Prix, a show jumping competition held over five weeks at the 2006 Vermont Summer Festival. They were also a sponsor of the $25,000 Devoucoux Wild Card Grand Prix, HITS Culpeper, Virginia.

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Talk:Icy Tower

Merged from Free Lunch Design
I merged from the Free Lunch Design article, which narrowly survived a deletion listing. --Tony Sidaway Talk 23:13, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

I did some serious clarification, and some formatting. The floyd 15:10, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

como puedo hacer para jugar a Icy Tower
Just download and install it. It should not be too hard, it includes an installer. -- ReyBrujo 23:13, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

2005
it was released way earlier than 2005. I remember playing it 3-4 years ago!--Sonjaaa 22:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

 * You are right. The current date must have been believed to be a release date of the v1.3 (though it would still be incorrect). I will change it to the release date of the first version. :) Vinyanov 12:09, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Notability
I removed the notability tag, since this issue has already been discussed in relation to this article with the decision being made to keep. --Zagrebo 15:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, but where in the article is notability asserted? (Even the keep reasons in the AfD seem to be "it's notable because it's notable"). Marasmusine 20:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

At the moment nowhere because the article is in dire need of citations (as the tag says) as well as major major tidying-up and rewriting since it's currently too full of big long lists and the like. There is plenty of stuff "out there" about it, though, thanks to its popularity. Give it time! By all means editors need prodded on this one but tagging it for deletion is not the same thing. --Zagrebo 21:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Oki doki, I didn't tag it for deletion though :> It was a notability concern tag. I know... they're both grey boxes though... Marasmusine 22:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. I actually did a spot of research to try and get some cites earlier and found some good stuff including a news story about it being converted to mobile phones (I think by a commercial company). I'll try and get them into the article soon. --Zagrebo 22:10, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Protection
This article should really use protection. I find it vadalised, or being tested on, after each visit. And unfortunately some reverts do not even recover all content that was removed by the vandals. Well, at least we could infer, from the quantity of reverted edits, that the game is certainly notable for many people. That was per above sections. :) So, pity that so late, but I think I will file the protection proposal. Don’t you think? viny.tell // 22:44, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Linking in the Icy Tower's infobox

 * Moved from User talk:Yerpo

It is not edit-warring as long as I provide arguments in my edit summaries.

Yes, I disagree.

The spirit of the "no external links in the body of the article" rule is, mostly, not to disorient the reader by mixing internal and external types of links. But this problem is only relevant to the article body, not to infoboxes. The structure of infoboxes is ordered enough, and they themselves separate enough, so that combining of different types of links in it will not affect the the effectivity of his reading the article anyhow. (It might even impress him ;) ).

There is no downsides to linking to official sites in infoboxes, apart perhaps from implicitly encouraging other Wikipedians to do it in other, less appropriate places in the article. But this is not our concern. 79.191.56.30 (talk) 14:48, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

 * It is, if the argument is disputed. The spirit of the guideline also applies to infoboxes, because external links make them look even more than Christmas trees, especially if they're placed at the very top.
 * Infoboxes "look like Christmas trees" anyway.
 * Besides, your choice of what to link was completely arbitrary. Why stop at the title and the developer?
 * Because they also are in the External links section.
 * Why not link to the designer's and the artists' websites as well while you're at it, since they "don't disrupt the reading flow"? And to the download repository for the release date. And... For these and other reasons, external links should be limited to sections meant for them (both in the article itself and the infobox).
 * Let me get it clear. You're saying that links should be limited to the External links section because the choice of what to link to can be arbitrary?
 * Check the external links in the yesterday's featured article, that's what the consensus is about these things.
 * To be completely honest, I feel that this article should be deleted due to lack of notability (it's a wonder how the authors managed to quote 44 references without establishing notability). That's why this thinly disguised "Visit our website!" advert irked me even more.
 * It wasn't an advertisement, it was not forcing the viewers to scroll to the very bottom of the page for important information, without even knowing if they'll find it there. 83.6.110.99 (talk) 18:44, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * But it still wouldn't belong in any article. — Yerpo Eh? 11:35, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Your way of replying is confusing (and you didn't sign your comments), so I grouped my reply. The infoboxes do look like Christmas trees sometimes, so it's best not to worsen the situation even more, don't you think? The arbitrariness is just one of the reasons why the links should be limited to sections devoted to them (some infoboxes have a special parameter for the external link), and the choice of which to include is clear - the subject's official web page and relevant pages that provide information not belonging into Wikipedia due to being excessive in detail. They should also be kept at minimum, meaning the official page and not much else. The standard way of linking to external pages is at the end of the article, which isn't so difficult to find (especially with the table of contents featured prominently near the top of the page), and any Wikipedia visitor should be familiar with the layout by now. Your accessibility argument does make some sense, though, which is why I just argued in favour of including the corresponding parameter in the infobox - you can voice your opinion too at Template talk:Infobox video game. — Yerpo Eh? 20:09, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Harold
Welcome, I want to use the character Harold in my game 197.49.247.177 (talk) 17:26, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

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