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Talk:Metreon

Metreon sucks, do not waste your time or money. I went there for one of my birthdays and everything was dissapointing. The ads made it seem cool, but when you get there everything is merely half as good as you expect (or less). Even the tasty sounding asian soup I had been looking forward to was poor. It was a waste of a birthday and I spent 2 hours just to get there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.168.13.47 (talk • contribs)
 * I just walked through it, seems like a good place if youre into warhammer and playstation stuff. I wouldn't think parties would be fun. Just a nice place to look through if your in downtown San Fransisco and your a techie or gamer.--Exander 22:27, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Discovery Store
The discovery store is now a Christmas holiday gift store. I don't know what it will become after Christmas. ;) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.101.33.116 (talk • contribs) 20:48, 25 December 2006 (UTC-7)
 * Vacant, probably. Theater traffic is down since the new multiplex above Bloomingdales opened across the street.  --John Nagle 05:51, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Do they still have the Metropolis robot in the mall? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.192.249.22 (talk • contribs) 14:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC-7)

 * Yes. It's an ad for the comic store, Things From Another World. — Gwalla | Talk 08:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Gunfight at the Metreon?
Or was there? Word on the street is very confused right now and I can't find any news stories about it. - Richfife 20:47, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

 * No big deal: - Richfife 16:43, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Exhibits
Should something be added about the exhibits that were here, like the Titanic exhibit and the new Da Vinci exhibit?

while i'm at it, I think this should be cleaned up and have sections like shops, previous attractions (now that all the attractions are gone, excluding theaters), and exhibits? Nymo 22:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Probably not a high priority. The Metreon is headed for the List of dead malls.  With all the tenants that have left, the place is now mostly vacant except for the movie theaters.  The theaters are hurting since the new Century multiplex opened a block away. The latest thing is to use some of the vacant retail for corporate exhibits in conjunction with trade shows in the nearby convention center.  --John Nagle 15:52, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 05:15, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Killings at the Metreon
Just added a section on killings at the Metreon, with press citations. There have been three so far, two in 2007. --John Nagle (talk) 16:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I removed these killings because these non notable incidents don't warrant inclusion in this encyclopedia. But I got reverted. So please discuss. Chris! c t 01:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Actually, Wikipedia notability is for the article, not material within the article. Within the article, the main issue is verifiability.  These are cited, verifiable incidents reported in the mainstream press, which satisfies WP:V.  The number of incidents is high enough to be significant. --John Nagle (talk) 04:46, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I am not saying anything about the notability of the article, but the notability of those events. Even though they are cited, I just don't see the significance to include killings. But I guess that is just me. So if editors think that they should be included, then go ahead and keep it. I am not going to remove it. Chris!  c t 20:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure why Jillians is mentioned as now closed. It is still very much open. --204.14.153.123 (talk) 05:12, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You're right. It was that restaurant/bar on the second floor that closed. --John Nagle (talk) 18:20, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not an editor here (or even a major contributor) but I just had to comment on the "Killings at the Metreon" section. This doesn't seem to fit at all. Do other shopping center entries have a "Killings at the shopping center" section? I have not seen this before. I live in San Francisco and Metreon is not known to be a dangerous place. In any major city there are crimes that result in death in lots of different places (what a sad fact), but this seems like a trivial entry. Or perhaps the opposite is true -- we should start listing all the murders that occur in each place on wikipedia - the public buldings, schools, monuments, etc. Please discuss this and I'll check back.

Sony Style Store
There is little to no info on Sony's proprietary store w/in the Metreon. I remember when the Metreon first opened, they had a 60" HDTV that was $20k and also had Mini disc players for sale too. They had a music store within the Sony Style store too. I'm not sure what has changed since I dont live in the Bay anymore. DevonTheDude (talk) 22:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

 * It's still there, but not doing well. They seem to have a stock of old flat-screen displays that are nice but about 3x current prices.  They're stuck as the last upscale store in what is now a low end mall. --John Nagle (talk) 05:40, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Sony Playstation Store
There is no info on the PS store, that is where the guy got held up at gun point for a PS3 at launch November 2006. The PS store is THE official place for the launches of the PS2, PSP, and PS3 respectively since SCEA is located in the south bay area (Foster City). When the store first opened it was geared toward the PSone (aka the PSX (not the dvr) in its time) and transitioned to the PS2 when it launched. The PS store is the place for Playstation merchandise, games and accessories. DevonTheDude (talk) 22:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Tavern on the Green and other Metreon changes
Here's some things that I think should be added:

-Mention of the new Tavern on the Green addition to the complex, which will take up the whole top level (formerly "where the wild things are" and "titanic" exhibit) and will be "San Francisco's biggest restaurant"

-But the changes don't stop there. Apparently, Westfield wants to completely re-tenant and remodel the whole building. As a Metreon fan (back in it's good days), I'm a bit saddened to this. As long as Westfield stays true to their word and keep the same original idea/feel of Metreon (something like that, poorly paraphrased), I won't mind, but if they make it into another mall like the Centre next door (also owned by westfield), that would suck in my book. But evidence of these changes is clear, with Things From Another World now gone and construction walls up near the management offices. This feels like Disney's billion-dollar makeover of Disney's California Adventure, but instead of fixing up a troubled park to ring in guests, it's an entertainment center/building/mall.

Just a couple opinions, but really, someone should better mention these in the article...

Nymo (talk) 08:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

 * It's too soon. The "Tavern on the Green" branch isn't even scheduled to open until 2009. --John Nagle (talk) 04:52, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Further decline
It's not looking good. The Starbucks went out of business. One of the original outlets in the food court closed. Much vacant space. Not clear if the Tavern on the Green thing is going to happen. --John Nagle (talk) 04:29, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Tavern on the Green just went bankrupt.. --John Nagle (talk) 21:23, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Shootings, again
The Metreon does have an impressive shooting rate. Try searching Google News for "Metreon" and "shooting". . We have solid cites for all the shootings. And yes, we do list shooting incidents in malls. See Trolley_Square, Hudson Valley Mall, Eastland Mall (Charlotte, North Carolina), Westroads Mall, Oak_View_Mall, Arbor_Place_Mall... So removing this information is inappropriate.

In addition to the three incidents listed in the article, there's one listed as occurring in the "Metreon parking garage". The Metreon doesn't actually have a parking garage; that's a city facility on an adjacent block. So I didn't put that one in the article. --John Nagle (talk) 04:21, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Restored shootings info. --John Nagle (talk) 04:33, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Rumors of a Target store moving in
There are rumors of a Target store moving into the Metreon.. Last week, they advanced from the rumor state to the early pre-announcement stage. . --John Nagle (talk) 18:51, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

 * The lease has finally been signed, and construction has started. Except for the movie theaters and Jillans restaurant, all the other tenants are out. --John Nagle (talk) 05:47, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

 * Target is in and open. The Metreon is a Target store now, plus the movie theaters and a food court. Many giant Target logos on the building, with a few remaining "Metreon" signs. --John Nagle (talk) 07:27, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

 * The large "Metreon" signs have disappeared. The big signage now says "City Target". Target itself uses the name "San Francisco Central" (they also have a San Francisco West), or simply "Store Number 2766" --John Nagle (talk) 21:26, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Sold again
Sold by Westfield, bought by Starwood Retail partners in 2012, and now apparently operated by Starwood directly. An anon just changed the link, correctly. John Nagle (talk) 06:13, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Corporate-owned life insurance

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Tagged for merge to 'Insurance' although the article itself discusses a slanf term and could be tagged Vfd instead...Hmmm. Eddie.willers 03:59, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I kind of disagree with the merge. This is a term actually used, and it includes more detail than should be in the insurance article. Now that the article is relatively neutral and factual, I think it can stand on it's own. If you see specific problems with the article let me know and I'll try to research it more. - Taxman Talk 15:40, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * I could see moving the article to Corporate-owned life insurance, as this is a more neutral term. Foxxygirltamara 09:16, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would probably make sense. Then expand that article to include the other uses of the term and just mention this one is just that, a sometimes used term. I think I'll do the move now, then later see if I can dig up any references for the other uses of COLI. - Taxman Talk 15:28, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Are there any material differences between the build of a COLI product and a BOLI product?

While there are no required product differences with respect to BOLI vs. COLI. BOLI is distinct due to the regulatory nature of banks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Golferguy1878 (talk • contribs) 18:59, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

The explanation of how this concept works (paragraph two) is very confusing and not understandable to the lay person. It needs to be simplified or expanded upon so that someone without a degree in business or economics would be able to understand the process, at least on a basic level. Springreturning 06:59, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Low Quality Article, Lacking Informationa and Highly Biased, Should Be Treated Separately from Insurance
This topic should not be moved. However, this topic as covered is VERY BIASED.

There are multiple types of COLI. The article focuses on one type, which is primarily LEVERAGED COLI in such a way that it improperly addresses its legislative and regulatory history, and makes the practice appear much worse than it was. There WAS a period where some companies used practices that may be considered abusive. However, not all leveraged COLI was abusive.

There is a second type of COLI, that is not generally leveraged, doesn't rely upon tax deductions, and is a way to build assets and offset risk. This type of COLI was codified by the COLI Best Practices act referenced in the article. Additionally, BOLI falls in this category and therefore is not like Leveraged COLI outlined above.

Additionally, under the forms of COLI codified by the Best Practices Act, moral and political concerns have been addressed.

I have over 30 years of experience in the industry and can cite sources in addition to my own expertise.

Leveraged COLI is no longer practiced. Non-leveraged COLI and BOLI, very legitimate practices, are still in use.

I will be discussing with my company whether we may want to take on correcting this article, which presently is very incomplete, and very biased, to present a better explanation and a more balanced article.

Kevin Bachler 14 December 2020

A question on COLI
Can a job position (such as CEO) be insured for full-time, knowledgable and competent status, instead of an individual persons life being insured? The benefits of such is that Corps always have a relevant interest in a job position being competently filled, but never should have an interest on specific employees (unless said employee is truly irreplaceable). The money gained from such a policy might be limited at specific times to that which is needed to get the job competently filled, and maybe to replace lost income to an extent (barring manipulative practices such as firing people for little or no cause during a recession to collect on the pre-recession expected income). --Formerly the IP-Address 24.22.227.53 (talk) 13:15, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

While it may be possible, it wouldn't have the tax treatment of life insurance which is important to the nature of COLI. A specific life to be insured is required. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.71.208.50 (talk) 03:12, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Moral or political fallout
This article should have more coverage on the moral and political debates around COLI. For example, some discussion of Capitalism: A Love Story would be worthwhile. --63.119.93.194 (talk) 19:03, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Also, the first couple paragraphs imply that it is no longer widespread for companies to take out so-called "dead peasant" policies on large numbers of employees. But in Capitalism: A Love Story, Michael Moore interviews a lawyer working on these cases who claims that many major corporations currently hold these policies on their employees. I think some sources are needed for the claim that "Today, COLI is most common for senior executives of a firm." --Al Bradbury (talk) 21:24, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * In today's episode of Countdown with Keith Olbermann, Keith's hour-long "Special Comment" features a segment on these policies. Should be a day or two until the transcript of the show should be available for sourcing. -- RoninBK T C 02:35, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Correction, it's up already at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33213245/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann -- RoninBK T C 02:40, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the above comments. The article's tone, in my opinion, is clearly pro-business. "Dead peasant insurance" does not refer to insurance in which the employee's family is the beneficiary. "Dead peasant insurance" clearly refers to the corporation as the beneficiary, even after the employee may have left employment. Also, in the vast majority of cases, the employee did not know about the life insurance policy held by the company. The article implies, or states, that the employee knew about the policy. The article misses the essence of the disgust and outrage towards corporate owned insurance on rank and file employees without their knowledge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.172.248.140 (talk) 09:31, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Where's the Legislative History?
Exactly where is the legislative history on this practice? I would like to pull up some archives if anybody wants to give me a starting point.

I need to know what year companies started doing this? shari74@gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.49.126.107 (talk) 01:28, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Folks...The Michael Moore material, the Keith O. piece and the ABC piece all refer to outdated practices pre the 2006 legislation. Look at Sept. 24 Associated Press piece that serves as a Fact Check and show that Moore says in fine type at the end of movie that the COLI policies by Wal-Mart all were dropped. Corporate owned life insurance and bank owned life insurance must: 1.) Be on the top 35 percent of employees measured in pay. 2. Must have the consent of the employee. 3.) Must be used to offset other benefit expenses such as executive comp or rank and file health and 401K. There is really no doubt about any of this. Please see AP article. Mr. Moore, Mr. O and ABC are flogging a horse that died four years ago...

Legislation http://www.plannedfinancial.com/eFlash/E-Flash_30_December_2006.pdf AP Article http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iWwwKSw-HRMO3yL-7Rxo7fEwv8JwD9ATKQNO0 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rrfrump (talk • contribs) 15:11, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Naming and US-specificness
A perennial issue in article naming is what to do when we have a topic that isn't inherently US-specific, but our treatment of it is (I suppose it could happen with any country, but it's usually the US). They're often tagged with globalize/US, and that often doesn't do much good. Naturally, some editors get impatient and want to move the article, Foo, to Foo in the United States. That can fit the article's scope better, but what do you do with the base title? Having "Foo" redirect to "Foo in the United States" just reflects the same bias. IMO, it's worse, because an incomplete article is one thing; redirecting like that implies US treatment is what really matters. And of course, making such a move without a redirect is just going to make information on the topic hard to find. You could try to write something more globalized at the base title, but if you could do that, you could just globalize the article to begin with.

When an article's title and scope are out of sync, there isn't always a right answer as to which one you update. But in cases like these, precedent has been against changing the title, generally because there is no deadline. See, for example, Talk:Mobile phones on aircraft. --BDD (talk) 21:51, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Dead Souls
I've removed this:
 * [Dead Peasants] refers to the plot of Nikolai Gogol's novel Dead Souls.[ ]

The cited article does not say that the term comes from Dead Souls, or even mention the phrase "dead peasants". It merely makes a comparison with the novel. In fact, the scheme in the novel is completely different.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:49, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

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User:Jondel/Jews in the Philippines

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Jews in the Philippines
Hi Jondel. I just read the message you left on my talk page. Yes, there was a mention of Jews in the Philippines in the Demographics of the Philippines article, but the entry was removed - along with other entries that cluttered the article with "statistics" of no demographic importance for a country with a population of 88 million people. But anyway, let's see if I can help.

The population of Jews in the Philippines today is at the very most 500 people. Estimates range between 100 and 500 people (0.000001% and 0.000005%). Manila boasts the largest Jewish community, though even here it consists of around 40 families, give or take a few. There are of course other Jews elsewhere in the country, but these are obviously fewer and almost all transients (diplomats or business envoys).

It is worth mentioning, however, that at their height, Jews living in the Philippines at one stage numbered around 10,000. The period in which most of these Jews arrived was under president Manuel L. Quezon, when he allowed them entry as persecution in Europe increased - which as we know, eventually lead to the Jewish Holocaust. Most of these, however, were also merely in transit. A good book on this specific topic is "Escape to Manila: From Nazi Tyranny to Japanese Terror". It narrates the story of the newly arrived Jews in the Philippines; from their day of their arrival, their daily life in Manila, to their departure to other destinations a decade later.

As you probably gather so far, almost the entire population of Jews in the Philippines were of Northern and Eastern European origin (Ashkenazim). Whatever number of Sephardim (Spanish Jews) there presently is in the Philippines is as a result of post-19th century arrivals from Morocco or Turkey. When the Sephardim fled from Spain in 1492 during the Inquisition, most fled to the areas that would become modern-day Morocco and Turkey, Portugal (that is, until the inquisition followed them there), the Netherlands and throughout the Americas.

Contrary to speculation, there is no historical evidence whatsoever to suggest any Sephardi made his/her/their way directly from Spain - or any of those who had fled to Hispanic America, or for this argument, specifically Mexico - to the Philippines on the Galleons during the Spanish Inquisition. In fact, the hypothesis is almost fictional. For those who had made it to any of the Spanish colonies in the Americas - anywhere from the modern Southwestern United States all the way down to Patagonia - once the inquisition reached them there (ie. those who weren't already tried and burnt at the stake by the franchise offices of the Inquisition in Spain's American colonies) most simply merged into their surrounding populations and eventually lost all connection with Judaism. The pockets of crypto-Jews around Latin America are the exception. In any case, they did not then migrate to the Philippines. Any migration that took place was from there to the Dutch posetions of Curaçao, Aruba, and New Amsterdam (modern-day New York, where they built the United States's first synagogue, and were that country's first Jews; preceeding the Ashkenazim.)

Getting back on track... The one and only synagogue in the country - the second ever built in the Philippines - is Manila's Beth Yaakov Synagogue. It was built in the 1980's. The only other synagogue which existed prior to the erection of Beth Yakoov was Temple Emil (built in the 1920's). Unfortunately, Temple Emil was destroyed by the Japanese during WWII.

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The population of Jews in the Philippines as of 2005 is at the very most 500 people. Estimates range between 100 and 500 people (0.000001% and 0.000005%). Manila boasts the largest Jewish community, though even here it consists of around 40 families, give or take a few. There are of course other Jews elsewhere in the country, but these are obviously fewer and almost all transients (diplomats or business envoys).

At their height, Jews living in the Philippines at one stage numbered around 10,000. The period in which most of these Jews arrived was under president Manuel L. Quezon, when he allowed them entry as persecution in Europe increased which, eventually lead to the Jewish Holocaust.

Almost the entire population of Jews in the Philippines were of Northern and Eastern European origin (Ashkenazim).

The one and only synagogue in the country - the second ever built in the Philippines - is Manila's Beth Yaakov Synagogue at 110 HV De la Costa St., Salcedo Village, Makati (+632-8150265). The only other synagogue which existed prior to the erection of Beth Yakoov was Temple Emil (built in the 1920's). Unfortunately, Temple Emil was destroyed by the Japanese during WWII.

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Talk:NFL on American television

TV logos
I believe the logos corresponding to the subjects, should be added because the MLB TV Contracts page has made use of of this.--Roadrunner3000 23:20, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Whatever... by the way, I will probably restructure major portions of this article so it does resemble parts of Major League Baseball television contracts. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 00:30, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Please summarise
Please summarise the present situation, ie the annual value of the contracts now in force, possibly in a little table. I guess all the information is here, but for a non-American with little background knowledge it is pretty hard to interpret. Calsicol 16:39, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Merge
No. You can begin a history of the NFL on television, and do a contract-by-contract and historical backstory on this subject and include the information after the 2006 season begins. Currently, we are doing what in essence is a preview of events for the next NFL season. NoseNuggets 7:23 US EST Jan 6 2006.
 * The problem is that most of the content you are writing there is already here ... rather redundant. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 00:55, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Although you first placed that content there on 2006 NFL season today, this information has already been on this NFL on television article in one form or another for several months . Zzyzx11 (Talk) 01:17, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * How about this: I am willing to only list on 2006 NFL season what the TV coverage will be during that year, but details on the overall TV contracts will be, including the last paragraph on who will televise the Pro Bowl in 2007 on, should be placed on this NFL on television article. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 06:03, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

It is good where it is - sly fox —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.155.205.89 (talk • contribs).
 * Why? Zzyzx11 (Talk) 00:45, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say because there are major changes in 2006, so there has to be something in the 2006 article to let folks know. This could probably be reduced here, with link to the TV article, but there has to be some duplication of content to give info where folks will look for it. -Jcbarr 05:23, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think there should be a compromise, but most of details of the contracts itself, including who will televise what in 2007 and beyond should be placed on the TV article. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 17:28, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

No merge. This article will still be needed once the 2006 NFL season starts, so why not keep it here where more people are likly to type in 2006 NFL Season then 2006 NFL Season and Televison? -SAS- 15 January 2006 16:38 Eastern —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.59.114.196 (talk • contribs).
 * Since you wrote this as an unlogged anonymous user, you may be unfamilar with the merge tag, in that it says "It has been suggested that this article or section be merged" (emphasis added). In order to save disk space, we use the same tag whenever we want to merge an article or just a section of an article. Because, in this case, the tag was placed at the start of an article's section instead of the top of the article, it indicates that it only has been proposed to merge the "television" section, not the entire 2006 NFL season article itself. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 01:23, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Since there is no further objections, I will try to merge the content based on Jcbarr's suggestion. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:46, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Giants vs Jets Scheduling
The statement "The Giants and Jets are never scheduled against each other, primarily because they share a stadium and usually alternate home games." is inaccurate [Sunday regional coverage]. Perhaps it was making another point, but worded incorrectly. Under NFL scheduling rules, teams play every team in the other conference once every 4 years. They last played in [2003] and are scheduled again for [2007]

No, the person meant that their games are never scheduled against each other. The Giants and Jets never play at the same time or on the same channel on the same day (unless they're playing each other). They certainly do play each other every four years. The Giants will, in fact, "host" the Jets in 2007. The game will be on CBS, NBC, ESPN, or the NFL Network. 76.21.45.13 01:41, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Is there a conspiracy between Fox and DirectTV?
Recently, I heard that News Corporation, the owner of the Fox network, has aquired DirecTV. Around this time, I became a lot less satisfied of the selection of Sunday afternoon games shown by my local Fox station, KTTV of Los Angeles. Los Angeles is not an NFL market area, so KTTV/Fox has a lot of leeway in selecting what games to show. The games I find important are usually played between teams of the NFC West (49'ers, Rams & Seahawks).

Since the Fox/DirecTV "merger", it seams KTTV/Fox selects games to show from the other 3 NFC divisions, ignoring the NFC West. I would think the LA area would be more interested in NFC West games, with the upstate 49'ers, a former LA team in the Rams and the defending conference champion Seahawks. For someone in LA, the only way to get these games on TV is with....you guessed it....DirecTv's NFL Sunday Ticket.

In other words, is KTTV/Fox selecting games outside of my regional area to broadcast so I would be more inclined to purchase Sunday Ticket at $200+ a season on top of subscribing to DirecTV? Let me hear about your area. If you live on the east coast, is your local Fox station showing nothing but games between west coat teams? If you live near Canada, does Fox show nothing but the NFC South?

Do I see a pattern here?

Anything's possible, but I doubt it. 76.21.45.13 01:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I live in SF Bay Area with Directv the Local Fox KTVU. I dont have NFL Sunday Ticket due to the fact that oakland raiders home games are blackout and i never can see the home games. Also am thinking to my self why do they black out Oakland home games but they dont black out 49ers games..49ers dont sell out but they still show the games. Here are Some exaples of what they played this season on my fox expect for 49ers games. St Louis, Philadelphia, Seattle, NY Giants, Chicago, Atlanta Tampa Bay,Dallas, Green Bay, Tennessee. I rarley see az cardinals, Seattle Seahawks every few weeks, St. Louis Rams every few weeks.. on cbs i hardly see Chargers Chiefs Broncos

apwfan69 01:00, 09 Nov 2008 (pst) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.138.136.104 (talk)

NFL Jingles

 * Continuing on from NFL's talk page: Videos of the NFL Jingle tags (NBC, CBS & Fox at the moment) being used are *not* being uploaded. They have been taken from TV broadcasts. WizardDuck 00:07, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * One concern. It might want to be brought up in policy discussions.  Videos and jingles may not be covered under fair use policies.  Not sure how to handle these.  May be helpful to the article, but be careful on copyright violations.  I am iffy on how this works... --Jayron 32  04:43, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I removed them. It's been over a year since the topic was brought up, though. WizardDuck (talk) 04:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

ESPN Sunday night games televised on Fox owned stations in teams' markets?
Can a source be cited for this? I remember 49ers' Sunday night games on TNT and ESPN being shown on KTVU Fox 2 back in the day, but KTVU is not actually owned by Fox. It's just a Fox affiliate. 76.21.45.13 01:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

It's strictly done on a bidding process. In Green Bay, for example, WBAY (ABC affil.) carries ESPN Monday Night games involving the Packers, but WFRV (CBS affil.) got the NFL Network game against the Cowboys.DrBear 17:15, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

International Bordcast?
list of international bordcaster is missing.The Tramp 15:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

First game
According to: Fullerton, John. Screen Culture: History and Textuality, London: Indiana University Press, 2004 ISBN 0861966457 (pg. 235), in 1946, NBC televised the New York Giants game versus the Green Bay Packers on September 20 and it was the first televised game in league history. Quadzilla99 14:31, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Los Angeles
What's the NFL Blackout Policy regarding Los Angeles? Are they part of the San Diego Chargers market? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.246.84.18 (talk) 06:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

No. Los Angeles is about 200 miles from San Diego. 69.181.166.15 06:53, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

The Los Angeles Coliseum is only 122 miles driving distance from Qualcomm stadium in San Diego. The areas covered by each are much closer. Los Angeles County is as little as 70 miles driving distance from San Diego County (less as the crow flies). The greater LA area can be considered to include Orange County, which borders San Diego county. In that case there are zero miles between the two markets.

Thanksgiving Day Football - Even-Odd Rotation
Yes, the even-odd rotations (i.e, Dallas hosts NFC in even years and AFC in odd years, and Detroit hosts AFC in even years and NFC in odd years) did technically reverse every decade or so. However, the reversal was not solely because of a 10-year (decade) passage. Rather, it has to do with the poor performance of one of the host teams in the prior year. This scenario happened twice.

In 1979, the Detroit Lions finished with a 2-14 record, "bad" enough for 5th place in what was then the NFC Central. In 1980, the NFC Central was scheduled to host teams from the AFC West. However, due to NFL scheduling at the time, the 5th place team in a division from the prior year played a "special" schedule consisting of:

1) a home game and an away game against each of the other 4 teams in its own 5-team division 2) A game (home or away) against each member of the "4-team" division within their own conference (i.e., the NFC West) 3) a home game and an away game against the other 5th place team in the same conference 4) a home game against one 5th place team in the other conference, and 5) an away game against the other 5th place team in the other conference

With the above scheduling formula in mind, the NFL apparently decided that Kansas City and Baltimore as Thanksgiving Day visitors to Detroit would lead to "unwatchable" matchups. That is, nobody would, in their right mind, interrupt their Thanksgiving meal to watch a game between two losing teams. Therefore, 1980 marked the second year in a row that Detroit would host an NFC team and Dallas would host an AFC team, and that's why the even-odd rotation was apparently reversed after a decade.

In 1990, a similar situation occurred with the Dallas Cowboys. In 1989, Dallas finished 1-15, "bad" enough for 5th place in the NFC East. In 1990, the NFC East was scheduled to play teams from the AFC East. Due to NFL scheduling formula, however, the NFL apparently decided that San Diego and New York Jets as visitors to Dallas would produce "unwatchable" matchups and that people would be unwilling to interrupt their Thanksgiving meal to watch such a game. Therefore, Thanksgiving 1990 would be the second straight year for AFC @ Detroit and NFC @ Dallas. Again, the even-odd rotation was apparently reversed after a decade.

With the current NFL alignment (i.e. 4 teams in each of 4 divisions in each of 2 conferences), however, the above scenarios would be extremely unlikely, if not impossible, in the future. Therefore, the even-odd rotation reversals occurred not merely because of decade-long passages but because of prior year performances by the host teams (Detroit and Dallas).

209.62.209.152 (talk) 21:31, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Now that the league has gone to four team divisions, the same AFC divisions will visit Detroit and Dallas for Thanksgiving: the AFC East (Detroit: every four starting 2002, Dallas: every four starting 2003), AFC South (Detroit: every four starting 2004), and the AFC West (Dallas: every four starting 2005). That being said, the AFC North teams will never have the opportunity to play on Thanksgiving unless they flip the even-odd rotation starting with the 2010 season, presuming the league opts to retain the current inter-conference divisional rotation.

HouseBowlrz (talk) 21:49, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Pre-2002 schedules
Since someone mentioned the pre-2002 schedule formula for the 5th place teams: what was the pre-2002 schedule formula for the other teams? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.64.197 (talk) 04:15, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually that was the 1978-1994 5th place schedule, which was bizarre compared to the other schedules but simple to understand. The first through fourth place schedules (1978-2001) and fifth place schedules (1995-2001) were very similar yet hard to memorize.50.136.139.204 (talk) 19:46, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Overtime
what about the rule where is a 1 o'clock game goes into overtime on a network, and another game starts at 4:15 on the same network, the viewer is not allowed to watch the end of the first game, they cut off the broadcast to show you the start of the second game. one of the dumbest rules in my opinion. broadcasts of baseball, basketball, college football, and college basketball do not do this, why does the NFL have to? can someone do some research into this, and maybe add it into the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.184.14 (talk) 15:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The rule is mentioned in the "Sunday regional coverage" section in regards to the Heidi Game. The rule that a primary media market must show its local team's game in its entirety was implemented after the Heidi Game. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:14, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Christmas 2008 and Thursday night games
In 2006 and 2007, the 5 Thursday night games were Weeks 12-16, starting on Thanksgiving (Nov. 23, 2006 and Nov. 22, 2007), and ending with the penultimate week of the season (Dec. 21, 2006 and Dec. 20, 2007); there was no Thursday night game the last week of the season (Dec. 28, 2006 and Dec. 27, 2007). The 3 Saturday night games were Weeks 15-17, the last 3 weeks of the season (Dec. 16, 23, and 30, 2006; and Dec. 15, 22, and 29, 2007).

However, in 2008, Thanksgiving falls on Nov. 27, a week later (Week 13 rather than Week 12) than in 2006 and 2007. How will they handle the schedule? Will they start the Thursday night games the week before Thanksgiving (Nov. 20, 2008), and otherwise follow the same basic pattern as 2006 and 2007? Or, will they have a Thursday night game during the last week of the season (which would be Christmas, Dec. 25), even though there was no Thursday night game that week in 2006 and 2007 (and there has never been a Thursday night game on Christmas, although they do have Sunday night and Monday night games on Christmas)? Or will they instead do 4 Thursday night games (weeks 13-16) and 4 Saturday night games (weeks 14-17)? Or does nobody know? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.64.197 (talk) 01:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Sorry for the late response, but any answer to your question were just mere speculations until the league actually officially released the schedule in April 2008. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Leverage over the networks section
The "Leverage over the networks" section probably needs more citations from third party references to improve the reliability of the content because of the number of examples that are being used to illustrate the section. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 02:20, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

International blackouts
Do blackout policies for secondary markets cross international borders? For example, if a Buffalo Bills game is not sold out, do the Toronto stations have to black the game out (since much of it is less than 75 miles from Buffalo)? CrazyC83 (talk) 02:37, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

overlap and repeativiness
There is a lot of this and it would be nice to cut it down, any ideas how to do this?--Levineps (talk) 04:01, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

capacity set for the whole season (and playoffs)
I think it's true for the regular season. I am pretty sure I read somewhere that the Cardinals sold more tickets b/c of the expanded capaicty (e.g. what they had in place for last year's Super Bowl and Fiesta Bowl games)--Levineps (talk) 04:03, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Fox vs. FOX
On the page for Fox Broadcasting Company it is noted that either is correct. With that in mind, and noting that Fox is not all-capitals in that article, it seems the same style should be followed in referring articles. Fox is probably preferable as running it in all-caps is merely a network marketing preference, not necessarily proper language use. Fox is not an acronym for a phrase as are CBS, NBC, ABC and PBS; it is a word. The proper acronym would be FBS, which is not used. DrBear (talk) 19:33, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Misleading language in flex-scheduling
NBC had to settle for a matchup between the Denver Broncos and the San Diego Chargers because ESPN broadcast the season's first matchup between the Cowboys and Eagles. -- The game between Denver and San Diego was to decide the winner of the AFC West division, and the final playoff spot in the AFC. NBC was hardly "settling" for the matchup; no other game that weekend had higher implications for the playoffs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulshrug (talk • contribs) 16:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Road Games of Primary Media Market Teams
You mention that when a certain team is playing at home, then no other games can air on TV in the primary market of the home team. Apparently, the same can be said if the team is playing on the road @ 1 p.m. ET on a weekend that the network that's normally the broadcast partner for that team has a doubleheader. Two examples:

New Orleans When the Saints are a playing a road game @ 12:00 and Fox has a doubleheader, then the Fox station (WVUE-8) shows the Saints game in the New Orleans market, but the CBS station in New Orleans (WWL-4) shows alternative programming until the 3:05 p.m. game.

Houston When the Texans are a playing a road game @ 12:00 and CBS has a doubleheader, then the CBS station shows the Texans game in the Houston market, but the Fox station in Houston shows alternative programming until the 3:05 p.m. game.

Similar policies apply in most other cities in the NFL. Is there a way ya'll incorporate this information into the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.62.209.152 (talk) 00:13, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Secondary market inconsistencies
There's a very unusual situation in the Mid-Atlantic when you have Washington and Baltimore, each with their own NFL team, also being designated as secondary markets for the other. But there's a major inconsistency in how the primary/secondary rules are being enforced, presumably by the NFL. In Washington, it's become quite routine for WUSA (CBS-9) to show a Ravens road came (and the programming department says its because of the secondary market rules) at the same time WTTG (Fox-5) is showing a Redskins home game. But when you reverse the scenario, Baltimore's WBFF (Fox-45) has rarely shown a Redskins road game opposite a Ravens home game on WJZ (CBS-13). WBFF cites the primary market rule, which says you can't show a game in the primary market against the home team's home game.

Will this article ever get cleaned up?
After just reading this article, it seems to have gotten a lot worse after I originally tagged it for cleanup back in 2006. Why does it seems that everyone wants to included every single, little TV policy detail and scenario that has been discussed in forums like http://the506.com/yabb/YaBB.pl ? This article is totally disorganized, content seems to be repeated multiple times, and there are little or no references. For starters, it should either be trimmed, or split up per Summary style. If I had the time, I would work on it myself, but I'm busy in real life these days. Maybe in the off-season... Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:29, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ... And it still is a bit of a mess almost 11 years later :-( Zzyzx11 (talk) 16:58, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Blackout dates
I had put a list on here of NFL teams and the last time they failed to sell out a game, but it was removed for being unsourced. I researched this pretty carefully, and I've been able to find the last blackout/non-sell out dates for most teams. However, I do not have dates for the Giants (other than that their last NSO was before 1976), Colts (last blackout was early in the 2000s, but not sure exactly when), and Seahawks (their whole 2002 season was blacked, but I'm not sure if they had any BOs in 2003). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.101.139.29 (talk) 08:24, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Shared media Markets and blackouts
What happens if a game between two teams in the same media market (Raiders-49ers or jets-Giants) isn't sold out? Is it blacked out (home game not sold out) or shown (local team is away)? 188.221.79.22 (talk) 23:29, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Splitting up the article
This article is way too long. You could make a case that the blackout policies, broadcast history, and television coverage sections alone warrant their own pages. If no split, then I suggest we condense the page down as much as we can. Thoughts? Jgera5 (talk) 03:04, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

UPDATE After nearly two weeks of no comments, I decided to split the blackout policies and the history into their own articles. Not sure if any more splitting or cleanup needs to be done, but this is a start in the right direction. Jgera5 (talk) 18:22, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Giants and Jets
The article doesn't mention that viewers in the NYC area can see all three televised afternoon games (no game blacked out) if both the Giants and Jets play day games on the road (one at 1:00 and the other at 4:05 or 4:25). A game can be shown on the other network at the same time as a local team's game if the game is on the road.50.136.139.204 (talk) 19:49, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

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Why People in Mississippi Have to Watch the Giants Not sure if it would add anything, but there it is.... Mapsax (talk) 17:05, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

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Boris Bukov

Boris Yakovlevich Bukov, also Boris Bykov ("Sasha") Regiment Commissar (15 November 1935) was a member of the Communist Party since 1919. Bykov was head of the underground apparatus with which Whittaker Chambers and Alger Hiss were connected.

Early career
Bykov graduated from Commanders' Upgrading Training School of Razvedupr of the Red Army Staff in 1929. He received further training at the Red Army Military Academy of Chemical Defense, the Military-Industrial Department (September 1932 - February 1935), and the Red Army Stalin Military Academy of Mechanization and Motorization. As he was fluent in German, Bykov served as an Officer of Soviet Military Intelligence (GRU) from 1920-1941, working in Germany. In 1928 Bykov became the section chief of the 2nd Department of the Razvedupr; later he was appointed Assistant Chief of the 2nd Department of the Razvedupr.

Soviet illegal resident
In 1935 Bukov left abroad and served as Illegal Rezident of Razvedupr in the United States from 1936 to 1939. After leaving the United States, he became a Lecturer (agent-operation cycle) of the Higher Special School of the Red Army Staff from July 1939 to September 1940, followed by a post as Senior Teacher of the chair of intelligence from September 1940 to June 1941.

Wartime service
After the German invasion of the Soviet Union in June 1941, Bukov headed the chair of foreign countries study of the Second Moscow State Pedagogical Institute of Foreign Languages which later became known as the Institute of Military Interpreters.

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Bright Leaves

Bright Leaves is a 2003 United States/United Kingdom documentary film by independent filmmaker Ross McElwee about the association his family had with the tobacco industry. Bright Leaves had its world premiere at the 2003 Cannes Film Festival.

Film
Bright Leaf is the name of a strain of tobacco. It was also the name of a 1949 novel and 1950 feature film about a struggle between two tobacco barons.

The struggle depicted in the feature film, according to McElwee family tradition, parallels one between McElwee's great-grandfather and the patriarch of the Duke family, for whom Duke University is named.

Cast
Interviewed as part of this film include Allan Gurganus, Ross McElwee, Tom McElwee, Vlada Petrić, Paula Larke, Marilyn Levine, Emily Madison, Adrian McElwee, Charleen Swansea, and Patricia Neal, the leading lady of the 1950 feature film.

Reception
The documentary follows McElwee's usual style, where he gives voiceovers to apparently spontaneous footage, making the story more personal. According to Roger Ebert:

"Bright Leaves is not a documentary about anything in particular. That is its charm. It's a meandering visit by a curious man with a quiet sense of humor, who pokes here and there in his family history and the history of tobacco."

Marian Keane, in her essay "Reflections on Bright Leaves", collected in "Three Documentary Filmmakers", asserts that Bright Leaves displays McElwee's extraordinary ability to present "people in their uniqueness", contrasting this with other documentaries where people often "seem to exist in the world of film as if suspended from their relation to their actual lives."

Awards and nominations

 * 2004, Gotham Awards nomination for 'Best Documentary'
 * 2005, won National Society of Film Critics Awards award for 'Best Non-Fiction Film'
 * 2005, Directors Guild of America Award nomination for 'Outstanding Directorial Achievement in Documentary'
 * 2005, Independent Spirit Awards nomination for 'Best Documentary'
 * 2005, Writers Guild of America Award for Best Documentary Screenplay nomination

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Pellin–Broca prism

A Pellin–Broca prism is a type of constant-deviation dispersive prism similar to an Abbe prism.

The prism is named for its inventors, the French instrument maker Ph. Pellin and professor of physiological optics André Broca.

The prism consists of a four-sided block of glass shaped as a right prism with 90°, 75°, 135°, and 60° angles on the end faces. Light enters the prism through face AB, undergoes total internal reflection from face BC, and exits through face AD. The refraction of the light as it enters and exits the prism is such that one particular wavelength of the light is deviated by exactly 90°. As the prism is rotated around an axis O, the line of intersection of bisector of ∠BAD and the reflecting face BC, the selected wavelength which is deviated by 90° is changed without changing the geometry or relative positions of the input and output beams.

The prism is commonly used to separate a single required wavelength from a light beam containing multiple wavelengths, such as a particular output line from a multi-line laser due to its ability to separate beams even after they have undergone a non-linear frequency conversion. For this reason, they are also commonly used in optical atomic spectroscopy.

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Talk:Carmel Valley AVA

This should be a pure geography article
Take a look at Carmel Valley, California. It is a larger stub for the same town. This article should either be merged into Carmel Valley, California or deleted. Carmel Valley, if it exists as an article at all, should just be about the Carmel River valley, not the town. Mike Dillon 04:10, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

I disagree I was interested in the housing prices ect. ect. I think there should be popculture connotations discussed in the article

 * i'd suggest seeing the talk page for Carmel Valley Village, CA --67.124.151.243 05:19, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

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Masking (personality)

In psychology and sociology, masking is the process in which an individual camouflages their natural personality or behavior to conform to social pressures, abuse, or harassment. Masking can be strongly influenced by environmental factors such as authoritarian parents, rejection, and emotional, physical, or sexual abuse. Masking can be a behavior individuals adopt subconsciously as coping mechanisms or a trauma response, or it can be a conscious behavior an individual adopts to fit in within perceived societal norms. Masking is interconnected with maintaining performative behavior within social structures and cultures.

History
Masking has existed since antiquity, with authors like Shakespeare referencing it in fiction long before masking was formally defined and studied within psychology. Frantz Fanon is credited with defining masking in his 1957 Black Skin, White Masks, which describes masking behavior in race relations within the stratified post-war United States. Fanon explains how African-Americans, especially those of low social capital, adopted certain behaviors to resemble white people as well as other behaviors intended to please whites and reinforce the white man's higher social status.

"The black man has two dimensions. One with his fellows, the other with the white man. That this self-division is a direct result of colonialist subjugation is beyond question."

The term masking was used to describe the act of concealing disgust by Paul Ekman (1972) and Friesen (1969). It was also thought of as a learned behavior. Developmental studies have shown that this ability begins as early as preschool and improves with age. Masking is mostly used to conceal a negative emotion (usually sadness, frustration, and anger) with a positive emotion or indifferent affect.

Causes
The social drivers of masking include social discrimination, cultural dominance, and violence. Elizabeth Radulski argues that masking is a cultural performance within Judith Butler's concept of performativity that helps individuals bypass cultural and structural barriers.

Situational contexts
The causes of masking are highly contextual and situational. Masking may disguise emotions considered socially inappropriate within a situational context, such as anger, jealousy, or rage. Individuals may mask in certain social situations, such as job interviews or dates, or around people of different cultures, identities, or ethnicities. Since different social situations require different performances, individuals often switch masks and exhibit different masking behaviors in different contexts. Code-switching, although associated more with linguistics, also refers to the process of changing one's masking behavior around different cultures in social and cultural anthropology. Contextual factors including relationships with one's conversation partner, social capital (class) differences, location, and social setting are all reasons why an individual would express, suppress, or mask an emotion.

There is a gendered disparity in masking behavior; studies show women mask negative emotions to a greater extent than men. According to psychologist Teresa Davis, this may be due to the greater social expectation for conformity placed on female gender roles, causing women to develop the skill to a greater extent than men during childhood socialization.

Autistic masking
Autistic masking, also referred to as camouflaging, is the conscious or subconscious suppression of autistic behaviors or the compensation of difficulties in social interaction by autistic people with the goal of being perceived as neurotypical. It is a learned coping strategy.

Typical examples of autistic masking include the suppression of stimming and meltdowns, a common reaction to sensory overload. To compensate difficulties in social interaction with neurotypical peers, autistic people might maintain eye contact despite discomfort, use rehearsed conversational scripts, or mirror the body language and tone of others.

Masking requires an exceptional effort. It is linked with adverse mental health outcomes such as stress, autistic burnout, anxiety and other psychological disorders, loss of identity, and suicidality. Some studies find that compensation strategies are seen as contributing to leading a successful and satisfactory life.

Consequences
Little is known about the effects of masking one's negative emotions. In the workplace, masking leads to feelings of dissonance, insincerity, job dissatisfaction, emotional and physical exhaustion, and self-reported health problems. Some have also reported experiencing somatic symptoms and harmful physiological and cognitive effects as a consequence.

Masking bring reports of loneliness from autistic individuals, due to the fact that many are having to suppress their true identity to conform to social standards. Masking can make it difficult to form real connections with other people, followed by statements that many feel as if they have lost their true identity as an autistic individual, feeling as if they are only playing a role for the majority of their lives.

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List of radio stations in Minnesota

The following is a list of FCC-licensed radio stations in the U.S. state of Minnesota, which can be sorted by their call signs, frequencies, cities of license, licensees, and programming formats.

Defunct

 * Beat Radio
 * KBJI-LP
 * KDXL
 * KFMX
 * KFNK
 * KLBB
 * KMAP
 * KPNP
 * KQEP-LP
 * KQRB
 * KQSP
 * KSJU
 * KYEJ-LP
 * WCAL
 * WEEP
 * WFNX

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Category:Moshavim

A moshav (plural: moshavim) is co-operative farm in Israel.

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Dear Sir,

I am working on a PBS documentary and I am trying to find out who owns the copyright to a photograph you posted on your wikipedia page about "Osama Bin Laden". The photograph is entitled " A photo showing Osama bin Laden (right) at Oxford in 1971[4]". I would like to know who owns the photograph, and if there is a larger version of it (high res matt jpeg (1300x2000 pixels and 150 dots per inch) I would also be interested to know if it is authentic; as far as we know Osama Bin Laden did not visit the western world. Please contact me soon at jane@pitv.com Thank you, Kindest Regards Jane --

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I saw your name in history of The conference of the birds, good to see you here , by the way I love Russian myths partly because the memory of Russian myth-based films I watched on Moscow TV in my childhood still remains fresh and invokes nostalgia , can you introduce some online sources ? and do you have any information about the name Tarkhan? , Cheers Pasha Abd 22:55, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of The Hungry Duck

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Uno Lamm

August Uno Lamm (May 22, 1904 – June 1, 1989) was a Swedish electrical engineer and inventor. He was sometimes called "The Father of High Voltage Direct Current" power transmission. During his career, Lamm obtained 150 patents. In 1980 the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) developed the Uno Lamm High Voltage Direct Current Award  for contributions to the field of high voltage electrical engineering.

Biography
Lamm was born in Gothenburg, Sweden to Fredrik Hjalmar Lamm and Aino Maria Lovisa Wilhelmina Wijkander. He obtained his master's degree at KTH Royal Institute of Technology in Stockholm in 1927. After a short time in compulsory military service he joined ASEA, the Swedish electrical conglomerate, initially working in their training program. In 1929 he was made manager of the project to develop a high-voltage mercury arc valve. Valves at the time operated only up to about 2500 volts, and if higher-voltage valves were available they could have practical use in the transmission of large quantities of electric energy over long distances.

In 1943 Lamm obtained his Ph.D. from the Royal Institute of Technology, studying part-time while developing the mercury arc valve. After twenty years or so of development work to produce a valve with the necessary rating for HVDC transmission, ASEA obtained a contract for the HVDC Gotland project in 1950, which when completed in 1955 became the first modern fully commercial HVDC system.

In 1955 Lamm was made head of the ASEA project to develop Sweden's first commercial nuclear reactors. In 1961 Lamm moved to California and was appointed by ASEA in 1961 to work with General Electric on the Pacific DC Intertie project, which combined AC and HVDC transmission systems to move electrical energy from the hydroelectric generators of the Pacific Northwest to consumers in southern California. By the end of 1964 Lamm had moved to southern California. From 1967 to 1988 he served as an IEEE director at large.

Legacy
During his career Lamm wrote approximately 80 technical papers. He also wrote extensively on social issues in articles published in Swedish newspapers and magazines, often critical of the Swedish government. Lamm was described as a staunch anti-Communist who admired some of the positive features of the United States economy. During World War II, while required to travel to Nazi Germany to carry out ASEA business, Lamm was criticized by his supervisors for his anti-Nazi attitude, such as refusing to give the Nazi Party salute at patent hearings.

Lamm's Ph.D. thesis was titled "The Transductor, DC Pre-Saturated Reactor". While describing this device at a lecture in the United States he also mentioned that the same principle could be applied to resistors, making a transistor. This was the name later applied to the solid-state amplifier.

Personal life
Lamm was married twice and had four children. He died on June 1, 1989, aged 85, in Burlingame, California.

Awards
Lamm's achievements won him a number of professional awards:

 * Gold Medal of the Royal Swedish Academy of Engineering Science in 1939
 * Polhem Prize  by Swedish Association of Graduate Engineers in 1940
 * Arnberg Award of the Royal Swedish Academy of Science in 1947
 * Gold Medal of the Swedish Society of Inventors in 1961
 * John Ericsson Award from the American Society of Swedish Engineers  in 1962
 * IEEE Lamme Medal from the American Institute of Electrical Engineers (AIEE) in 1965.
 * Howard N. Potts Medal from the Franklin Institute in 1981

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Talk:Linda Frum

Notability??
Is there a claim to notability in this article? or is it just a random article about a journalist? --Werdna648 04:14, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * You seriously don't think that an author of two bestselling books, one of which is a biography of the most influential journalist in the history of Canadian television, is notable? That's a bit...odd. Bearcat 05:19, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * At the time, it didn't have in there that they were canadian bestsellers. It looked like a writer just trying to get publicity -Werdna648 06:55, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

In any case this article has very little sources. Without these, much of the content will be deleted. If someone can source this, please do.Bless sins (talk) 18:31, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi, She's not a senator yet... not until the ceremony. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.33.10.92 (talk) 20:35, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I may be splitting hairs here, but I doubt you're appointed as a Conservative or a Liberal although affiliation may be noted, which is the edit I'll make on the page. I took a look at the Government's page and it didn't indicate anything close to that wording. 216.191.84.151 (talk) 13:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Lead sentence
I tweaked this since "former Canadian.." seemed awkward. Should she be considered a politician as well as author and journalist? No idea. --Tom (talk) 15:03, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

 * In Canada, Senators aren't elected, so they aren't usually referred to as "politicians". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.88.11.118 (talk) 16:11, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * , could you consider using diffs, to ease the burden for later contributors trying to figure out what changes you are talking about?
 * As for whether she is, or isn't, a "politician"... the idea that only individuals who have been elected are politicians -- does anyone think this assertion is defensible?  So, Ross Perot, for example, who spent millions of dollars to run for President, and, even though he didn't win, got every other candidate to take deficit-fighting seriously, was not a Politician?  Really?  Just like members of the House of Commons, Conservative Senators have weekly caucus meetings, to hammer out the position they will take on the bills before them.  Sheesh.  Backroom guys, paid by the party, to do polling, develop policy, court donors, IMO they too are politicians.  IMO, backroom guys, who aren't paid by the party, who do the same thing, are also politicians.  As for WP:POLITICIAN...  I think it is in the best interests of the project to apply it to OFFICEHOLDERs, including appointees.  A decade or so ago a US President made 3,000 appointments, Cabinet Secretaries, and the heads of sub-cabinet positions.  Geo Swan (talk) 20:21, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Matthew Frum
Why no mention of her brother, Matthew? Reference is made to her brother David, but not to Matthew. Yes, I know he is adopted, that has no bearing on whether to mention Matthew or not.

Ref: http://www.fact.on.ca/newpaper/gm990223.htm

http://www.mail-archive.com/nativenews@mlists.net/msg03588.html She also did not mention Matthew in her Senate acceptance speech; it would be interesting to determine why not, and note the reason in this article. Responses along the line of: "that's personal" are responded to with: "then why did she mention David in her speech?" Ref: http://www.parl.gc.ca/40/2/parlbus/chambus/senate/deb-e/075db_2009-12-01-E.htm?Language=E&Parl=40&Ses=2#31

--Atikokan (talk) 17:36, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * David is actually a notable public figure in his own right, who would have an article of his own even if Linda didn't. Matthew isn't, so the only thing we could even really say about him at all without overstepping the bounds of WP:BLP is that he exists. Wikipedia doesn't exist to be a repository of famous people's family trivia; there's no value in rattling off the names of relatives who aren't notable people in their own rights. Bearcat (talk) 05:22, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The adopted son Matthew is an "aboriginal" and has had several brushes with the law. He may have done prison time. Status is everything to people like the Frums, so they're probably just embarrassed to mention him.38.115.185.3 (talk) 21:31, 28 June 2012 (UTC)Chicagoan

 * That last comment borders on libel. You obviously just hate rich people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.88.11.118 (talk) 14:50, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Dead Link : Senate Page gets 404
The link to "Senator Frum's web page" at the bottom of the article gets a grapic 404 "page missing" (with a rather annoying "Do you ever feel like you're in the wrong place?" theme. Sorry, I don't know how to fix this, or I would have. David Lloyd-Jones (talk) 09:25, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Macellarius

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete. Fernando Rizo T/C 00:04, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Macellarius
If it is so secret, how can it be verifiable? Delete unless a better source than "rumor" is cited and confirmed. DES (talk) 04:15, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless source can be found. Right now, they only other mention of this on google is the Wikipedia page for secret society LadyClaudius 04:22, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-verifiable. Cnwb 04:48, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per DES.— Encephalon |  ζ   07:44:36, 2005-08-29 (UTC)
 * Delete as unverifiable rumors. - Mgm|(talk) 11:23, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete after looking round a couple of times and whispering, "psst", just in case. Rob Church Talk 19:20, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Madlove conspiracy theorists. Freemasons run the country. Jachin 22:06, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Unlikely to be expanded. Amren (talk) 23:54, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, rumors are not sources. Zoe 07:32, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, verifiability, TINC. Barno 23:19, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, Wikipedia is running out of server space. Manko 19:54, 05 September 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Darling

Bad Link Removed
The link for the French film was the EXACT SAME LINK as for the Swedish film. I removed the link BECAUSE IT IS WRONG.

I could not find a Wikipedia entry for the French film. I did find an IMDB entry for it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0881233/.

I did not try to create a page for this film because the last time I tried to create a simple page it was rejected by some Wikipedia "editor" who said I needed more than one reference (IMDB), and I don't have a library of reference books here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by N0w8st8s (talk • contribs) 12:16, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

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User:Jondel/McKinleys Christianize the Filipino's

thoroughly dissatisfied subject."

DOCUMENT #26

Interview with President William McKinley, Nov. 21, 1899.

"I didn’t want the Philippines, and when they came to us, as a gift from the gods, I did not know what to do with them....I went down on my knees and prayed to Almighty God for light and guidance more than one night. And one night late it came to me..: That we could not give them back to Spain -- that would be cowardly and dishonorable; that we could not turn them over to France or Germany -- our commercial rivals...; that we could not leave them to themselves -- they were unfit for self-government...; and that there was nothing left for us to do but to take them all, and to educate the Filipinos, and uplift and civilize and Christianize them, and by God’s grace do the very best we could by them, as our fellow men for whom Christ also died. And then I went to bed, and went to sleep, and slept soundly..."

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Weltschmerz (comics)

Weltschmerz was a weekly comic strip in Canada, written and drawn by cartoonist Gareth Lind. The strip, published in alternative newsweeklies such as Eye Weekly, offers political and social satire with a regular cast of characters, similar to Doonesbury by Garry Trudeau, but with more emphasis on caricature.

Characters in the strip included computer geek Horst Weltschmerz, his girlfriend Celia Jones, his friends Frank, Cindy, Cosmo and Max, and Max's partner Des. Political figures such as George W. Bush, Stephen Harper and Dalton McGuinty also appear as characters.

Storylines included Horst and Celia's attempt to have a child (so far unsuccessfully); Raj being held in prison on a security certificate, then extradited to Pakistan on suspicion of being a terrorist, then kidnapped by terrorists; and Frank running for Liberal leader on a porn-based platform.

The Weltschmerz web site was expanded to a blog-based format, allowing an archive that can be sorted by theme and character.

The first Weltschmerz collection, Attack of the Same-Sex Sleeper Cells, was self-published in spring 2006.

Weltschmerz ran from 1994 to 2008.

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User talk:Garywbush

I'm refering you to WP:RFAr for socketpuppetry. I suspect that you are related to user:alibadawi. Evidence is [here] I'll provide a link soon to the request soon. __earth 04:22, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Your claim I engaged in socketpuppetry and is a violation of Wikipedia policy. I reserve the right to take appropriate action against you for slander (for instance I can complain to the Wikipedia administrators). I am not in any way related to user:alibadawi and I do not even who is he. But since, you, Earth are a Muslim, your religion typically encourages slander. As for that evidence, I did not say that so there are two options, one is someone else said it in my name (a case of forgery) or two, perhaps my account was hacked. Anyway, I have since changed my password just in any case. I suspect Earth hacked my account and then decided to slander me. Garywbush 23:11, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Then how do you explain this? And please, no personal attack. And cmon, hacked? Perhaps you may want to learn a little about techical details and check upon a admin about your account? Maybe, check up on alibadawi too, just in case there is something suspicious. __earth 04:53, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * It is easy to explain as you Earth logged into my account as you knew my password was my username. I have changed it after I discovered my account was abused and now you will not be able to repeat your disgusting jokes. In fact, if we follow your logic it is so ridiculous! After all, why should I apologise for something I did not do? You answer that, Earth! I am waiting for your response. I am not making personal attacks but you began it as you being an Islamist dislike the term Kafirphobia to be included in the Kafir article. I am quite happy it has been included by Dbachmann finally so I won and you lost. Remember, on your blog you backed the Islamist insurgency on Southern Thailand. Don't pretend to talk about human rights as Muslims advocate Islamism (like your PULO friends) have no reason to demand seperatism to ensure supremeacy of Syariah and murder of murtads. They can live in peace with Buddhists, Christians, and Jews in Southern Thailand. Garywbush 01:36, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Your password was your username? Heavens, you are naive.
 * And don't forget about you accusing me of hacking your account without proof. At the same time, I've never asked you to apologize. What you are talking about?
 * And no, I didn't start the personal attack. I merely presenting a case of socketpuppetry. It's you that start saying Muslims are liars and such. Surely you can check the history of the talk page of Kafir I haven't response to any of your insult save one, I called you religious nut. Moreoever, search on the net does show that you have a deep prejudice against Islam.
 * Nope, I don't support the insurgency. I said the Malaysian government NEED to aid the Thai authority. for heavens sake, do read properly.
 * And you see, you miss one point. I prefer a secular society with rights equality regardless of belief or skin etc. You on the other are in love your religion supremacy idea. As such, you are similar to those Islamist albeit from a different standing.
 * Regardless if I were an Islamist or your supremacist belief, this is all irrelevent to you case. You still haven't provide a clear defense. Please, just provide a clear and relevent defense instead of name calling. __earth 18:08, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Garywbush, your actions against Earth have been discourteous to say the least; his suspicions about sockpuppetry are well founded and I know he has been careful in checking his evidence and correct wikipedia procedure before making his claims. If you are infact not a sockpuppet, then he I'm sure will be the first to aplogise, but at the moment the evidence suggests that you are. At the moment, you have offered no defence for your actions, only completed personal attacks and responded with threats. Robdurbar 08:18, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Why are you suddenly so "pro-Earth"? Are you his stooge? Or his socketpuppet? Why should he apologise when he dislikes me as I am one of his rivals in blogosphere? I have exposed his hypocrisy there and here but he still does not want to apologise to me for hacking me account. ONLY HE COULD HAVE DONE IT AS HE KEPT ON CALLING ME A SOCKETPUPPET.

Also, you are plain wrong. There is no evidence suggesting I am a socketpuppet and I warn you to stop this libel. I ALREADY clearly said what was posted using my account was not by me but by a third party illegally using my account (who I auspect to be Earth). Garywbush 01:36, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Actually, looking into this further, I am so convicned that I will put the 'suspected sockpuppet tag' on your user page; clearly, you can remove this if you wish, but I feel that the evidence warrents it. Robdurbar 10:19, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * You must be a Muslim otherwise you cannot say you are 'so convinced' when my position is someone (who I suspect to be Earth) hacked my account as he knew my password then was same as my username. Also, I have existed longer on Wikipedia than User:Alibadawi who is a new comer so I definitely cannot be related to him.

Also, you have no rights to libel me by placing the socketpuppet tag on my User page, which I have removed. Personal attacks are already bad but libel is totally against Wikipedia or any ISP AUP. Garywbush 01:36, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

 * You are talking about personal attacks and libel but you yourself are doing it.

 * About Islamist (of which you are name calling me), my tongue-in-the-cheek blog entry (of which you claim to be Islamist in nature), you being my rival in the blogosphere (I did't even know you before I spot several suspicious socket puppets while you don't even own a blog) and, Robdurbar is a Muslim just because he too believes you're committing socketpuppetry (of which illogical), they're all are irrelevent to your defense.

 * Again, how do you explain this. If I had hacked into your account, why didn't you tell an admin earlier before I found out about your edit on user:alibadawi? In fact, your accusation of me hacking into your account is without proof.

 * Lastly, you existing longer than Alibadawi doesn't explain a thing. Any user with malicious intent or otherwise could easily make a new account and engage in sockpuppetry, of which, the evidence suggests. __earth 04:09, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

'Also, I have existed longer on Wikipedia than User:Alibadawi who is a new comer so I definitely cannot be related to   him.' Actually, that is a good point. But then, looking at User:Alibadawi's contributions, I see his first on Wikipedia is on a talk page, a typical sign of sockpuppetry, so it is possible that he is your sockpuppet, and not the other way round. Again, i do not mean to libel and if I am proved wrong, I will be more than happy to apologise Robdurbar 09:57, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Very clever, but your actions still don't convivnce that you are not a sockpuppet. In 24 hours time I will put a Request for comment on this, unless you can provide a defence for yourself. If you maintain that the evidence can be expalined by Earth hacking into your account, then I suggest we go to RfC anyway as this to is a serious allegation that should be followed up Robdurbar 09:10, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

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KOWZ (pronounced as "cows") is owned by Linder Radio Group, which owns radio stations in Owatonna, Mankato, St. James, and Marshall

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