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Generic advice

 * 1) No personal attacks ever. no excuses.
 * 2) Wikiquette includes the sometimes useful advice "Come back after a week or two".
 * 3) WikiLove reminds us "It's only the internet! Breathe...... and relax!".
 * 4) Staying cool when the editing gets hot

Act like a mature adult. The process works. You don't have to win. You don't have to make Wikipedia perfect by tomorrow. Spent your energy on making Wikipedia better ELSEWHERE rather than waste time in a revert war in any one place. walk away, edit elsewhere on wikipedia. Come back the next day or so. Try to never revert more than once per day on any one article. If it's not fun, you are doing it wrong.WAS 4.250 08:47, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

What I see
I am red-green color blind and see diminished red. The green light in a traffic light looks white to me.

- - -

I see 83. I don't see number. I don't see number.

B=black w=white r=red g=green y=yellow b=blue p=pink a=aqua(blue-green) o=orange v=violet(dark blue)

This image represents light from a prism in sunlight. I see:

 * BvbbbbbbbaaaggggggggoooooorrrrrBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
 * [[Image:Spectrum441pxWithnm.png]]

This image is a rendition of the computer color spectrum, showing the relative intensities of each of the three colors which are combined. I see:

 * rrrrrrrooyyyyggggggggggggwwaavvbbbbbbbbbppprrrrrrrrr
 * [[Image:Computerspectrum.png]]

God
God is Santa Claus for scared adults who want a daddy in the sky; a government lie to get people to fight to the death; an anthropomoriphication of nature (the sun is trying to make me hot), and a social institution with a useful social role for a superstitious species. WAS 4.250 16:43, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Useful links

 * User:Dcoetzee/List of Wikipedia articles with at least 1000 hits

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 * WikiProject Fact and Reference Check
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 * Forum for Encyclopedic Standards

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 * Harvard referencing
 * Footnote3

 * Category:Articles lacking sources

Hoorah!
Glad to have you, ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 21:10, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah, glad you got yourself a username. See you around, buddy! John Smith's 13:18, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Simplex algorithm
Please stop sabotaging my attempts to add algorithmic content to the Simplex algorithm article. Thanks in advance. --Fredrik Orderud 12:07, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry. My bad. WAS 4.250 14:14, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

 * That's ok. No hard feelings :) --Fredrik Orderud 14:22, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Club-winged Manakin
(content moved to User talk:Jimfbleak)

 * New addition on my talk - Jim
 * category comment on my talk - jim

conversation reproduced below:

Can we talk?
We apparently have differences of opinion with regard to two issues: (1) copywrite and fair use (2) verify-ablility and sourcing/referencing. This is apparently causing an edit conflict between us on Club-winged Manakin. Would you like to discuss this with me? WAS 4.250 23:00, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I didn't really see it as either an edit war or a copyright issue. I made the changes I did for the following reasons
 * The style of this article was not consistent with other bird articles, so I changed the format to be more like other pages
 * There were some factual errors - other manakins make mechanical sounds with their wings at the display leks (I've seen three species do this).  Also I thought it was the peacock's tail that was important in display, not the wings
 * I didn't think it was necessary to repeat the references in both the text and the list of sources
 * Since the extensive quotations are in the sources, I thought it more important to extract the essence of what was being said than the actual words, especially as some of it was rather waffling and digressive in nature. I don't know if there is a copyright issue, but that wasn't my reasoning

Sorry if I've caused problems, I tried to reflect what the article was saying, but in what, at least to me was a more appropriate way. I don't know if we can reach a compromise on the style, or whether you would prefer to seek the views of others? jimfbleak 05:41, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

 * 1) I've moved your respose here. It makes sense to me to have it all in one place. Move the whole thing to my talk page, if it matters to you where we put it. Or, you could reply again on my talk page and I move it too. Or ... well, you get the idea.
 * 2) Since it is not an edit war or a copywrite issue, we should be able to wrap this up fast since you care about form and appearance and I only care that (1) the data is there somewhere and (2) verifyability is maximized.
 * 3) Many other pages share the problem of lack of verifyability and changing a page to be consistant with that bad trait is a bad thing not a good thing. Please investigate the use of sources and quotes and references in the featured articles and in the guidelines and elsewhere so you don't inadvertantly make articles worse.
 * 4) As far as factual errors, everything was based on the provided SOURCES. This illustrates the need for sources. The way to handle one source saying one thing and another source saying something else is to QUOTE both sources AND LET THE READER DECIDE. We don't do "Truth" at wikipedia, we present what reputable sources say and let the reader decide. Newpapers get things wrong a lot so if a newspaper says one thing and a university source says something else, REPLACING the newspaper quote with the university quote makes sense. But just deleting it because you personally know better is not a process that is workable on a site where "anyone can edit". Find a quote/source that says what you know and use that, so others can VERIFY.
 * 5) About repeating the source in the article and at the bottom: The BEST way is using a referencing system as the best (e.g RECENTLY featured articles) articles in wikipedia do. The worst way omits sources altogether. Putting the source in only the text is not as good because it is useful to put them altogether in one place; sometimes one source is used for more than one fact, and it's less likely to be deleted in a source section in the bottom. Putting the source only at the bottom doesn't let someone connect a specific fact to a specific source for the purpose of verification. Putting the source in both places is the lazy man's (my) solution and not as good as using one of the referencing systems available at wikipedia.
 * 6) If you prefer a style that presents the data without using quotes (I would like wikipedia to be nothing BUT quotes, but that's just me) please don't extract "the essense", extract ALL the data (and, no, pointless "waffling" is not data) and for verifyability connect the data and the source (many ways are possible). Please. Thank you. WAS 4.250 15:43, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, I've added references for manakin behaviour that covers a fair number of the species. I would have thought that the peacock error (unless I misunderstood it) was self-evident, but a source could be Pheasants, Partridges and Grouse by Madge and McGowan, ISBN 0-7136-3966-0. Do you want to have a go at doing an edit that meets both of our concerns - basically we have the same objective of producing a good article, so I'm sure that we can sort something  out between us.
 * Why category Pipridae - my old world list of birds gives three species in this genus? - Jim

 * 1) On line sources are easier to verify, but ALL sources and their data are very very welcome.
 * 2) As I'm lazy (like I said earlier), I'm a kinda hopeing to come back to the article in a few days and not feel a need to make ANY changes. But I'm not so lazy that I wouldn't want to help you make the article better if you feel that properly sourcing data is something you wish my help on. (I don't know why you would; I'm guessing you can do that at least as well without me - I might even cramp your style!)
 * 3) About "category Pipridae" : I don't recall. WAS 4.250 16:22, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh, maybe you are thinking I'm placing the bird in this category??? No, the category designation is for the article to group like articles in a tree like structue so people can find similar articles. Or is the issue something else? WAS 4.250 16:33, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I understand the principle, and to me Category:Pipridae makes sense. However, I thought that the standard pattern was a category link to the genus rather than the family (unless there are no other species in the genus) - I don't mind what you do on category though.
 * On-line sources are easier to check, but not always as reliable as standard texts. Jim

 * 1) I only care that some useful category is used so people can find it without knowing exactly what to type for the title. People who do care about categories are going around spending day after day changing categories to the lowest one that still includes other articles (I think I have that right).
 * 2) While standard texts are more reliable than some on line sources, online sources, by nature, are better positioned to be updated when things change (and in science we discover new stuff all the time - yeaaaa for science!)
 * 3) I didn't remember the peacock thing so I looked up my initial article creation just now and see that the reporter called the peacock tail feathers "wing" feathers. I always thought of the tail feathers like a third wing - sort of like talking about a monkey's four or five "hands" - including his feet and maybe his tail. I guess it depends if you are discussing "anatomy" or "use". If a bird uses its tail like a stabalizing wing can it be a wing in addition to being a tail? So it never occured to me calling the tail a wing was an error. To me it was just another way of looking at it. WAS 4.250 17:02, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Enteric nervous system
I believe the edits you made lately lead to a copyright infringement, therefore I reverted to the last version. I find the quotation you presented however brillinat, and if you have the permission of NY Times, plz bring it into the article one more time (but plz make the copyright clear on the talk page). --Dbach 09:49, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I am European and no specialist in US copyright jurisdiction ... if you are sure what you are doing just go ahead. I still think it is a good idea in such cases to make that clear on the talk page. Dbach 18:15, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Copyright and fair use
Fair use says "Fair use makes copyrighted work available to the public as raw material without the need for permission or clearance, so long as such free usage serves the purpose of copyright law, which the U.S. Constitution defines as the promotion of "the Progress of Science and useful Arts" (I.1.8), better than the legal enforcement of claims of infringement."

See for further information.

"RULES OF THUMB FOR COURSEPACKS

The Classroom Guidelines that were negotiated in 1976 can provide helpful guidance and we recommend that you read them. 1. Limit coursepack materials to from illustrates the principle of extracting part of a work being covered by fair use.
 * single chapters
 * single articles from a journal issue
 * several charts, graphs or illustrations
 * other similarly small parts of a work. "

The New York Times itself quotes others.

"Copyright protects the particular way an author has expressed himself; it does not extend to any ideas, systems, or factual information conveyed in the work." therefore a quote that essentially lists facts isn't even covered by copywrite in the first place.

See for summaries of illustrative court cases on fair use in the US.

Wikipedia primary servers are in the US.

While it would be nice to have no legal complications, the rich in this world are seeking to own everything including math equations (which is what software patents are).

Don't help memes that block the free flow of information. Help memes that promote freedom. Fair use is one such doctrine, law and meme. WAS 4.250 13:48, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Sam
I replied @ User_talk:Sam_Spade. If the topic really interests you, try IM []. Cheers, Tasks you can do 00:48, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't IM and I don't converse via E-mail. I am willing to make exceptions, but only for money or love. WAS 4.250 01:58, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Ahahaha... makes me wish I had some amway to sell you... Tasks you can do 02:20, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Nonexclusive atheism
I think someting along the lines of what you showed me belongs in the article, but that particular version is somewhat "original research"-ish, which may be part of the reason why it was removed. See if you can rewrite it with more sources, and perhaps modify that black box white box bit to be a little more formal. Andre ( talk ) 17:52, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Discussion continued where it started at: talk  WAS 4.250 18:09, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Hurricane Katrina
I reverted your additions to Hurricane Katrina because a) WP:NOT a crystal ball and b) the information on Hurricane Betsy belongs in the Hurricane Betsy article, not in Katrina.

Also, most of the information on your talk page goes on your userpage. See others talk pages. -- tomf688  16:12, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Nonsense
I just noticed and replied to your comment @ User_talk:Sam_Spade. If the conversation is making you angry or uncomfortable, you are under no obligation to continue. I feel no special need to force my paradigm on anyone, but I am willing to discuss when asked. Cheers, Tasks you can do 20:37, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

I absolu-tively am not angry or uncomfortable in this discussion with you. I was an evangelistic Christian. Now I am an evangelistic atheist and I am pleased to show you "the way, the door, the truth" (if you know anything of evangelical Christianity you can recognise this as me making fun of myself). I know neither of us "force", both of us believe ourselves instruments of what is good (in some sense). WAS 4.250 00:08, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Excellent! I admit I am evangelical in a way, but my goal is to convert others into self-actualization, not any specific religion. For example, I have a friend who calls himself an "atheist", but who understands my conception of God (as a personal incarnation of existance) as valid, and even further, thinks that the Christ commonly concieved of is a pretty good role model. Clearly there isn't much farther he needs to go, and if he feels an emptiness and need for greater metaphysical depth, he would have to be the one to begin that search. I must admit I am intolerant of actual atheism, much as I am intolerant of actual hyper-calvinism, but IMO there are about as many actual adherants of the one as the other, and both #'s combined arn't far from 0 ;) Oh, and I replied to the above thread on my talk page. Cheers, Sam Spade 12:37, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I chose trotsky beause he was a "true believer", and thus might have been far more focused on the grand social experiment, and not on "what works" in the cold hard world. My guess he would have created a short lived but interesting "utopia". Or, maybe he would have proved that power corrupts, and been much the same as stalin ;) Yet more replies @ User_talk:Sam_Spade, btw. Sam Spade 15:31, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

I moved our thread to its own page, due to size contraints. Feel free to continue if you like, here is a link, and if your interested in some past discussions, they can be found @ User talk:Sam Spade/Theoretical Biases. Cheers, Sam Spade 16:24, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Bureaucratship
Hi, WAS 4.250. Thank you so much for your support on my bureaucratship nomination. Unfortunately, it didn't pass, but I intend to run again soon. If you'd like to be informed next time around, please let me know on my talk page. Thanks again! Andre ( talk ) 05:15, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

User_talk:Anthony_Appleyard, about Raygun
Point taken. I edited Raygun accordingly. Sorry. Anthony Appleyard 21:09, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Strange Fruit
See the page on Thomas Shipp, and this site which is cited there, as well as other external links on that page, for the connection between the Shipp lynching, and Strange Fruit. Note thst the picture of the Shipp/Adams lynching was one of the few widely distributed lynching photos, so the account is not implausible. Note also that a link to Thomas Shipp, was placed on the page in the same edit, and following that would have made the source clear. I admit I should have copied the exxternal link to this page too. DES (talk) 23:30, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

non-guns in Directed-energy weapon
I mentioned the electroshock gun and the thermic lance there because some people may think that they are directed-energy weapons and look for them there. I have now put them in a separate section near the end. Anthony Appleyard 07:52, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Thomas Shipp
I have added fairly through reference notes on this article. Please give it a look and see if you think I was right to remove the verify tag. And please, stop changing standard section names. DES (talk) 21:56, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Existence of God
"I'm not going to waste my time cutting and pasting to save what deserves saving"

Stop trying to start a personal argument. By reverting ALL my edits, you are showing no respect for me or my writing. I am unreverting the page. I am giving you a chance for you to apologise; I won't delete the list if you so want, but it is up to you to re-add that list, and not delete anything else.

Infinity0 20:49:38, 2005-09-09 (UTC)

Super Bowl XLII
Since you asked, you might be interested in the external links I added to that article. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 00:32, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * By the way, we either use "External links" or "References" for the section header title. ""External links and sources" is almost never used. Take a look at the featured articles for examples. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 04:39, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I see you marked the article as {{verify}} again. What exactly do you need a reference for??? Zzyzx11 (Talk) 17:29, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Never mind. I saw your strict definitions that you listed near the top of this page. I have since corrected the article and added more content and references. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 18:14, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

calm down
First calm down. Take any major changes to talk pages first, and don't be so aggressive. Dunc|☺ 20:36, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

calm down
First calm down. Take any major changes to talk pages first, and don't be so aggressive. Dunc|☺ 20:38, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

calm down
First calm down. Take any major changes to talk pages first, and don't be so aggressive. Dunc|☺ 20:38, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

calm down
First calm down. Take any major changes to talk pages first, and don't be so aggressive. Dunc|☺ 20:40, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Genetics
Don't hit the genetics articles with tags. Dunc|☺ 20:07, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Harassment
I'm not really sure that I believe "wiki-stalking" is a real thing. Monitoring a user's contributions is not discouraged or disallowed. Andre ( talk ) 05:24, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Fair use
Direct copy and paste of an entire paragraph from a news article is not fair use (and much more than just a "quote" as claimed in your revert). Although your personal interpretation of fair use may be valid, it differs from Wikipedia's policy: please see Copyrights and Fair use--Confuzion 14:05, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Existence of God Reorg
We're having a discussion on how best to reorganize the Existence of God article. We currently have two competing plans. One version is being sandboxed here, and is being discussed here. The other plan (mine) is being discussed here. Since I remember you being interested in this article, I'm asking for your input. (This is being copy-and-pasted to several people.) Thanks! crazyeddie 19:34, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

1960s
Aplogies, 1960s being heavily vandalised and your revert was still full of vandalism, I reacted too quickly.

--pgk( talk ) 10:23, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

verifiability, not truth
I know policy. The edit I was trying to make Terrorism was a verbatim quote from a notable source that contained a URL to verify it's accuracy. The entire Terri Schiavo article is almost nothing but quotes and copy/pastes from external documents with URL's to verify everything. It's such a hot, controversial topic, about the only thing we can agree on is when we report

 * So-and-so said "blah" (URL).

So, I get the difference. My comment about "true" articles was somewhat poetic. FuelWagon 00:16, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

God bless you, lets get together and take back wikipedia from the volunteer police force
I loved your comments about fair use--god bless you--we should start a webring here on wikipedia (or its equivelent) to stop the volunteer police force here from destorying so much information!Travb 00:38, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Freedom fighters and their organizations
Regarding: "we should start a webring here on wikipedia (or its equivelent) to stop the volunteer police force here from destorying so much information" - The fight for freedom is in full swing with those fighting for the freedom to own information pitted against those fighting for freedom of information. What the American Civil Liberties Union was for freedom a generation ago, the Free Software Foundation and people like Lawrence Lessig are today. The free on line available book Free Culture by Lawrence Lessig : How Big Media Uses Technology and the Law to Lock Down Culture and Control Creativity may interest you. WAS 4.250 01:12, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I am a member of the ACLU--thanks for the link--I was thinking about overzealous ppl here, stopping them from deleting posts. You are lookign at the big picture, I am looking at a much tinier one....Travb 01:18, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Copywrite and fair use
Hi Was, I'm glad to see someone is reading up on fair use. You should also read wikipedia's fair use policy (WP:FU). It is a litte more restrictive, and specific to our uses, than the stuff you quoted. Among other things, attribution is required. --Duk 01:29, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi Duk, I argue that instead of deleting things, we find the source of things and add footnotes to the items, as I did in the Winter Soldier Investigation, and at H5N1. TDK spent a good amount of time finding the source of these articles, just to (what appears) to delete it. (Please mention this to TDK, if you feel)Travb 01:44, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Zealous volunteer police attempting to erase a nine page article for five rewritten sentences
Hi, thought you may find this latest revert interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Winter_Soldier_Investigation&oldid=26162517

It was quickly changed back to the original by an anonymous user--I am new to wikipedia--what can I do to stop this zealot? The guy reports hundreds of web pages every month.Travb 07:59, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

If you are interested, the argument has gone to a moderator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation

Huh?
Why are you telling me this? I rewrote it as a comprimise that works for both sides and I think it does. Just stop the pointless arguments and see if you can make the section better. Again, I rehashed it so there can be practically no claim of copyright violations. If you think you need to add a quote, go ahead but I really don't understand why you are posting this on my talk page.  Sasquatch  t|c 06:16, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Club-winged Manakins
Hi WAS, I saw your comments in your edit summary. If I did not interpret the Manual of Style incorrectly, both ways are acceptable:

 * References
 * Put under this header, again in a bulleted list, any books, articles, web pages, et cetera that you used in constructing the article and/or recommend as sources of further information to readers.

 * External links
 * Put here, in list form, any web sites that you have used or recommend for readers of the article. — PM Poon 13:59, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

stolen password
Goethean and I have had some differences of opinion in the past. I don't begrudge him for it, but I wouldn't consider his endorsement of an RfC against me to mean anything neutral or objective. FuelWagon 00:50, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Split infinitives
I'm not sure what prompted your message, but I agree completely that so-called split infinitives are not grammatical errors in English (I say "so-called" because in fact English has no infinitive, and the nearest thing to it – something more like the Greek indefinite – can't be split, consisting of, in most cases, a songle word). On the other hand, the phenomenon designated by that term, the placing of an adverb between "to" and the infinitive/indefinite does exist, and can often read very clumsily. There is also the probblem that many (older?) readers still react badly to what they think of as split infinitives.

My approach is to happily use "split infinitives" (as you can see) so long as they don't read badly, when I find another contruction (actually that last one was on the borderline; it's got a bit of a clumsy feel to my inner ears).

I suppose that this boils down to:
 * 1) there's nothing grammatically wrong with them
 * 2) but they can sometimes read clumsily
 * 3) there's certainly nothing wrong with avoiding them, so long as the alternative isn't itself clumsy.

The upshot being that, especially given some readers' aversion to them, when a writer has constructed a sentence so as to avoid the use of a "split infinitive", I think that it's perverse to recast the sentence in order to include the construction. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:15, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Nelder-Mead method
Hi. You reverted an anonymous edit at Nelder-Mead method, with the edit comment "the method used in a simplistic fashion produces local optimums, but used in a sophisticated fashion finds absolute optimums within the criteria the article describes." I'm afraid I don't quite understand this. What is the "sophisticated fashion" to use Nelder-Mead? What do you mean with an "absolute optimum"; is this the same as a global optimum (see Optimization)? Which criteria are you refering to? I'm sorry to bother you with these questions, but I thought that Nelder-Mead could indeed only find local optima (and even about that I have some doubts). -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 10:51, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Portland Cement
Hey there. You reverted my anonymous edit with the snide comment "revert. breathing in bad things is bad. Saying "environmental groups claim it" is like saying "some claim the earth is not flat"  The topic is Portland cement, and the issue is whether there are excessive, harmful emissions that result from producing it.  It is NOT established fact that there is anything extraordinary about cement plants that makes it hazardous to live near them, hence my edit to clarify that this is a debate involving environmental groups.  I chose the wording carefully...certainly better than the clumsy text you reverted to.  --unsigned

Regulated? In which countries? Who says so? (provide sources). How about civil suits for harmful but unregulated? How about lowering the value of nearby homes and businesses due to emissions (regulated or not)? Censorship of these issues is unencyclopedic.

Whether they are "excessive" or not is a point of view. Wikipedia gives the facts and lets the reader make their own judgements. Emissions are produced. Let's document what they are. Putting the amounts in some sort of context is useful. Limiting the discussion to what you consider "excessive" is not appropriate. I'm sure you could improve the text. The latest efforts didn't. WAS 4.250 00:31, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Perhaps we can debate this rationally rather than starting a revert war.  Looking only to the second paragraph of the topic, the original text lists "limestone" as the source of impurities.  That is too specific; the impurities (if any) may originate in any of the several raw materials - hence my edit.  The original text mentioned "gases" but had carbon monoxide listed as if an afterthought - I rearranged the text to clearly include carbon monoxide as a gas.   I grouped the gases under the term "regulated" because it was apparent that the original author (you???) only listed such gases, omitting the much more voluminous carbon dioxide and steam that are the principle emissions in the manufacture of cement clinker.    You feel that there needs to be a cite regarding what emissions are regulated; I feel that excessive notation and linking clutters the article.  If such detail is of interest, a separate heading later in the article would be appropriate.  Lastly, the final sentence regarding emissions of lead, arsenic and mercury is factually incorrect.  Such emissions are not a necessary consequence of the cement-making process and thus should not be listed at this point in the article.  Such issues would be better placed later in the article, under Safety and Health effects. Regarding your comments above regarding lowering home values etc., I do not see that this point of view is specific to the Portland Cement topic.  Doesn't that apply to all industries?

JJackson8

>>The "data" you are defending is not supported by fact, nor by any source/cite in the article. As with anything, it is up to the party making a statement to prove that it is so, rather than leaving it to others to prove that it is not. If "data" is incorrect, it is a valid action to delete it. I intend to move this debate to the discussion area of the article, as this issue should be put up for public examination rather than left to you & me. As for not caring HOW something is said...well, this is supposed to be an encyclopedia. Objectivity, accuracy and clarity very definitely DO matter; HOW it is said is key to achiving this. >>Please chose your words carefully. It really isn't up to you to give me permission to edit. >>This is pretty revealing. You don't CARE? Really? It's an ENCYLOPEDIA. If presentation of data doesn't matter to you, what does? >>Please note that the word "regulated" is right there in the text you keep reverting. 'Nuf said? >>I will be proposing a detailed listing of cement plant emissions (typical) within the article. This needs to be a factual, quanitative table of data with sources identified. >>You & I clearly disagree on the function of an encyclopedia. It should be exactly about the textbook description of Portland cement. Discussion of emissions is appropriate, but must be as neutral as possible. The article as it exists is not neutral. >>As I said above, I will post the issues in the discussion area for public debate.JJackson8 WAS 4.250 05:22, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Perhaps we can debate this rationally rather than starting a revert war. I would like that. I really don't care HOW something is said. But don't delete data, and provide sources for questioned data.
 * 1) Looking only to the second paragraph of the topic, the original text lists "limestone" as the source of impurities. That is too specific; the impurities (if any) may originate in any of the several raw materials - hence my edit. That was a good edit. Please put it back, if you wish.
 * 1) The original text mentioned "gases" but had carbon monoxide listed as if an afterthought - I rearranged the text to clearly include carbon monoxide as a gas. I don't care about how data is presented.
 * 1) I grouped the gases under the term "regulated" because it was apparent that the original author (you???) only listed such gases, omitting the much more voluminous carbon dioxide and steam that are the principle emissions in the manufacture of cement clinker. No, not me. I got involved with this page as 4.250.xxx.xxx in deleting ad-like comments and replacing them with quotes about the world's major manufacturing countries. (you can tell I care about sourcing and not presentation!) This is about the WORLD. "Regulated" refers to ONE country. I assume you don't intend to go into what every county in the world regulates or not. Leave out "regulated" - no good can come of it. Please ADD gasses rather than delete them.
 * 1) You feel that there needs to be a cite regarding what emissions are regulated; I feel that excessive notation and linking clutters the article. If such detail is of interest, a separate heading later in the article would be appropriate. I was pointing out where we don't want to go. Leave out "regulated". (at least until we work out the other issues. Quoting some source that brings up regulated could be worked in, but emmited substances should not be categorized as regulate or not - it is too dependent on time and place.
 * 1) Lastly, the final sentence regarding emissions of lead, arsenic and mercury is factually incorrect. Such emissions are not a necessary consequence of the cement-making process and thus should not be listed at this point in the article. This is not about "necessary consequences" in some textbook about the theory of cement making. It is an encyclopedia article on the real world substance and what we can say about it people will want to know. Commonly associated emmitions are part of that. Uncommon emmissions that are noteworthy are part of that. All I ask with regard to this is don't delete it.
 * 1) That's enough for now. Basicly all I'm asking for is don't delete the data!

Did a revert on the Portland cement article as you'r edit took away some notable stuff - seems to me lik you did a revert without checking/editing - so I did the same "misstake". Pleace read my input on the PC talk page and submitt you'r editings, but pleace leave Europe intact (EN 197) :) Sincerly, Oyvind 09:48, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

You chose to move the disputed text rather than join the discussion as to the validity of the text. I am now deleting it altogether, and ask you to explain and justify why it needs to be there. The consensus (you appear to be the lone exception) is that the discussion of pollution, in the current form, is not correct. I ask you to JOIN THE DISCUSSION and refrain from lame reverts. This is not "data" we are discussing, and if you feel otherwise it is up to you provide evidence. JJackson8 17:45, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

WAS, pleace JOIN THE DISCUSSION and present your view, data and facts there. Personally I don't think "blind" reverts are the road to go.... Oyvind 14:58, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you note
Hi WAS, thank you very much for your kind remarks and please forgive the late reply.

My problems with Mel started when he tagged one of my first few articles, and being a very blur newbie, I wrote to him to find out where I had gone wrong. That was when my nightmare began. He seemed to be haunting me after that, whenever he "caught" me editing against his advice. Subsequently, his friend, Phronima, came along, and I thought it was Mel under another pseudonym. Their characters were so similar, even up to the quirk of making sarcastic remarks on the "Edit Summary" and their insistence that they are the authority in the English language.

You were very perceptible when you said that Mel can't distinguish American English from bad English. I realized that, only after he edited some of my work. In any case, Mel is a perfectionist, and you know what perfectionists are, LOL. He doesn't seem to see the big picture and the philosophy behind a community portal, and therefore acts like a policeman when he should be acting like a counselor. I bet he must have chased away quite a number of potential contributors, LOL. I am truly amazed that he teaches Philosophy in Oxford, as I always thought that philosophers are philosophical, LOL.

Anyway, I have nothing against Mel, especially so, since he has stopped bugging me after our latest engagement, LOL. Either that, or he was too busy fighting his RfC. My latest interest is in translating articles into the Malay language so I will be spending considerably less time in this English section from now onwards. — PM Poon 05:09, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

In real life people lie about things all the time. On the internet "noone knows if you are dog or not". Mel (and everyone else in virtual space) is best thought of as the sum of your experiences with them. Even if there is someone called Mel that is as you described and has been met in person by someone you know, how do you know the edits that are a part of your experience with the on line Mel are not actually his daughter, for example. The on line Mel of your experience does not necessary correlate with any known real world Mel. And suppose it actually does. Jeckle and Hyde behavior exists. I don't know if Mel is or is not whatever. Doesn't matter. He is his edits to me. WAS 4.250 05:40, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: Strange Fruit
Are Lewis Allan's chilling words so inadequate in describing lynching that an image is required to aid the reader? Are people unaware of what lynching entails? If so, are they so impoverished that they cannot click on lynching and learn the full details for themselves, images and all? I don't think so.

You say that "Strange Fruit" should have an image depicting a lynching because it is a song about lynching. By this rationale, the image Image:GGrandKiss.jpg is appropriate for the article "Love Me Do" because "Love Me Do" is a song about love and GGrandKiss.jpg is an image depiciting love. If a sensible person saw an image of a random couple kissing on the Love Me Do article, they'd probably find its inclusion odd and remove it. The particular picture you are defending is not even the picture that inspired the song. That image can be found at Image:Shipp lynching.jpg.

When you reverted my edit to restore the image, did you realize you effectively destroyed my other edits to the page as well?

Also, was there a purpose to pasting the lyrics of "Strange Fruit" on my talk page with no explanation?—jiy (talk) 01:02, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

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 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was move to Jewban. --Canderson7 23:17, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

Juban (Cuban)
Appears to be a neologism, Google tells me that Juban is a lot of things but I can't find any evidence that this term is widely used in the given context. Article does not (and I would argue, cannot) have any sources which verify such use. ESkog 22:57, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and block author Wiki brah with prejudice (unless you want more articles on Brazilian cocaine-addicted anal-sex-obsessed helicopter pilots.   Paul Klenk 23:06, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Cannot find word "Juban" used in this context. Andrew pmk | Talk 23:24, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename to Jewban. There was a controversy a few years ago where the Florida Department of Motor Vehicle withdrew somebody's JEWBAN license plate. It's a fairly widely used term and, more importantly, it describes a unique and encyclopedic ethnic group. Pburka 03:33, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of this. I agree that a move is actually the correct option here. ESkog 04:28, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Rename to Jewban as per pburka. -HX 04:13, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Move to Jewban, real term, I remember reading the story Pburka speaks of. android  79  20:01, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

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Hominini

The Hominini (hominins) form a taxonomic tribe of the subfamily Homininae (hominines). They comprise two extant genera: Homo (humans) and Pan (chimpanzees and bonobos), but in standard usage exclude the genus Gorilla (gorillas), which is grouped separately within subfamily Homininae.

The term Hominini was originally introduced by Camille Arambourg (1948), who combined the categories of Hominina and Simiina pursuant to Gray's classifications (1825).

Traditionally, chimpanzees, gorillas and orangutans were grouped together, excluding humans, as pongids. Since Gray's classifications, evidence accumulating from genetic phylogeny confirmed that humans, chimpanzees, and gorillas are more closely related to each other than to the orangutan. The orangutans were reassigned to the family Hominidae (great apes), which already included humans; and the gorillas were grouped as a separate tribe (Gorillini) of the subfamily Homininae. Still, details of this reassignment remain contested, and of publishing since (on tribe Hominini), not every source excludes gorillas and not every source includes chimpanzees.

Humans are the only extant species in the Australopithecine branch (subtribe), which also contains many extinct close relatives of humans.

Terminology and definition
Concerning membership, when Hominini is taken to exclude Pan, Panini ("panins") may refer to the tribe containing Pan as its only genus. Or perhaps place Pan with other dryopithecine genera, making the whole tribe or subtribe of Panini or Panina together. Minority dissenting nomenclatures include Gorilla in Hominini and Pan in Homo (Goodman et al. 1998), or both Pan and Gorilla in Homo (Watson et al. 2001).

By convention, the adjectival term "hominin" (or nominalized "hominins") refers to the tribe Hominini, whereas the members of the subtribe Hominina (and thus all archaic human species) are referred to as "homininan" ("homininans"). This follows the proposal by Mann and Weiss (1996), which presents tribe Hominini as including both Pan and Homo, placed in separate subtribes. The genus Pan is referred to subtribe Panina, and genus Homo is included in the subtribe Hominina (see below).

The alternative convention uses "hominin" to exclude members of Panina: for Homo; or for human and australopithecine species. This alternative convention is referenced in e.g. Coyne (2009) and in Dunbar (2014). Potts (2010) in addition uses the name Hominini in a different sense, as excluding Pan, and uses "hominins" for this, while a separate tribe (rather than subtribe) for chimpanzees is introduced, under the name Panini. In this recent convention, contra Arambourg, the term "hominin" is applied to Homo, Australopithecus, Ardipithecus, and others that arose after the split from the line that led to chimpanzees (see cladogram below); that is, they distinguish fossil members on the human side of the split, as "hominins", from those on the chimpanzee side, as "not hominins" (or "non-hominin hominids").

Cladogram
This cladogram shows the clade of superfamily Hominoidea and its descendant clades, focused on the division of Hominini (omitting detail on clades not ancestral to Hominini). The family Hominidae ("hominids") comprises the tribes Ponginae (including orangutans), Gorillini (including gorillas) and Hominini, the latter two forming the subfamily of Homininae. Hominini is divided into Panina (chimpanzees) and Australopithecina (australopithecines). The Hominina (humans) are usually held to have emerged within the Australopithecina (which would roughly correspond to the alternative definition of Hominini according to the alternative definition which excludes Pan).

Genetic analysis combined with fossil evidence indicates that hominoids diverged from the Old World monkeys about 25 million years ago (Mya), near the Oligocene-Miocene boundary. The most recent common ancestors (MRCA) of the subfamilies Homininae and Ponginae lived about 15 million years ago. The best-known fossil genus of Ponginae is Sivapithecus, consisting of several species from 12.5 million to 8.5 million years ago. It differs from orangutans in dentition and postcranial morphology. In the following cladogram, the approximate time the clades radiated newer clades is indicated in millions of years ago (Mya).

Evolutionary history
Both Sahelanthropus and Orrorin existed during the estimated duration of the ancestral chimpanzee–human speciation events, within the range of eight to four million years ago (Mya). Very few fossil specimens have been found that can be considered directly ancestral to genus Pan. News of the first fossil chimpanzee, found in Kenya, was published in 2005. However, it is dated to very recent times—between 545 and 284 thousand years ago. The divergence of a "proto-human" or "pre-human" lineage separate from Pan appears to have been a process of complex speciation-hybridization rather than a clean split, taking place over the period of anywhere between 13 Mya (close to the age of the tribe Hominini itself) and some 4 Mya. Different chromosomes appear to have split at different times, with broad-scale hybridization activity occurring between the two emerging lineages as late as the period 6.3 to 5.4 Mya, according to Patterson et al. (2006), This research group noted that one hypothetical late hybridization period was based in particular on the similarity of X chromosomes in the proto-humans and stem chimpanzees, suggesting that the final divergence was even as recent as 4 Mya. Wakeley (2008) rejected these hypotheses; he suggested alternative explanations, including selection pressure on the X chromosome in the ancestral populations prior to the chimpanzee–human last common ancestor (CHLCA).

Most DNA studies find that humans and Pan are 99% identical, but one study found only 94% commonality, with some of the difference occurring in non-coding DNA. It is most likely that the australopithecines, dating from 4.4 to 3 Mya, evolved into the earliest members of genus Homo. In the year 2000, the discovery of Orrorin tugenensis, dated as early as 6.2 Mya, briefly challenged critical elements of that hypothesis, as it suggested that Homo did not in fact derive from australopithecine ancestors.

All the listed fossil genera are evaluated for two traits that could identify them as hominins: Some, including Paranthropus, Ardipithecus, and Australopithecus, are broadly thought to be ancestral and closely related to Homo; others, especially earlier genera, including Sahelanthropus (and perhaps Orrorin), are supported by one community of scientists but doubted by another.
 * 1) probability of being ancestral to Homo, and
 * 2) whether they are more closely related to Homo than to any other living primate.

List of known hominin species
Extant species are in bold.
 * Sahelanthropus tchadensis
 * Orrorin tugenensis
 * Ardipithecus kadabba
 * Ardipithecus ramidus
 * Australopithecus anamensis
 * Australopithecus afarensis
 * Australopithecus deyiremeda
 * Australopithecus garhi
 * Kenyanthropus platyops
 * Australopithecus africanus
 * Australopithecus sediba
 * Paranthropus aethiopicus
 * Paranthropus boisei
 * Paranthropus robustus
 * Pan troglodytes
 * Pan paniscus
 * Homo habilis
 * Homo rudolfensis
 * Homo ergaster
 * Homo erectus
 * Homo antecessor
 * Homo heidelbergensis
 * Homo naledi
 * Homo neanderthalensis
 * Homo denisova
 * Homo sapiens
 * Homo floresiensis
 * Homo luzonensis

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Sand Point, Ontario

Sand Point is a community in the township of McNab/Braeside, Ontario, Canada, along the Ottawa River, roughly six miles to the west of Arnprior on the River Road. During the 1860s and early 1870s it was the terminus of the Canada Central Railway (subsequently acquired by the Canadian Pacific Railway). At one point Sand Point boasted a hotel, a dance hall, a general store, and a post office.

Sand Point Ferry Norvic
For decades Sand Point was the Ontario terminus of the Sand Point, Ontario-Norway Bay, Quebec ferry which provided access to the CPR and Arnprior. From 1923 to 1963 the eight car ferry, Norvic, landed at the Norway Bay Wharf. The Norvic was originally owned by Colonel Courtney, and her father-in-law James Young, both of Ottawa, with Dudley Gamble as manager. The ferry was sold in 1963 to Mr. Charles Bond of the Bond Marina at Manotick, Ontario. Mr. Gamble who owned the ferry paid the wharfage fees charged each year by the federal government. Gamble died in 1966. The ferry has been revived as a tour boat in the 1000 Islands system. The boat was the successor to the old Norway Belle destroyed by ice when it was pushed off the Norway Bay wharf in 1919. The "Norvic" derived its name from its home harbor, Norway Bay, and its builders, Vicker's Marine of Montreal. Seventy two feet long with a beam of twenty two feet, solid steel hull with diesel engine, built in 1922.Some of the captains who sailed the Norvic were Captains Charier and Fleming, Dudley Gamble,the Bailey brothers, Jack, George and Lincoln and Jim McKnight.

For those who are familiar with the Norvic, the vessel had a very distinctive and unique bow and stern shape. In approximately the year 2003, the easily recognizable hull of the boat was sited as the base of a refurbished yacht tied up at a marina on the Ottawa River near Rideau Falls. The boat was refurbished by Ottawa developer Bill Teron and relaunched in 1989.

Sand Point Golf Club
In 1924 several Arnprior residents began construction of a golf course and club on the hill above Sand Point where it remains a mainstay of the community. In 2018 the golf club was sold, and renamed as "Sand Point Golf Club".

Algonquin Trail
In 2018 the former railbed was converted into a recreational multi use trail for pedestrians, snowmobiles, horses and ATVs. The trail connects Arnprior with Renfrew, Ontario via Braeside, Sand Point and Castleford. Users are advised to limit their speeds to 20 km/h when going through Sand Point by a new sign installed in 2020

Rhoddy's Bay
Rhoddy's Bay just west of Sand Point along the River Road is a popular summer cottage destination with great beaches and sandy river bottoms.

You can find a Little Free Library on Sullivan's Point in the community. This small structure is open to anyone to donate, and borrow books within Rhoddy's Bay

Rail accident
On February 9, 1904, Canadian Pacific train 7 collided head on with Canadian Pacific train 8 about two miles west of Sand Point. Thirteen people were killed:
 * Joseph Jackson, engineer, Ottawa
 * W. Mullen, newsagent, Montreal
 * Robert Thompson, express messenger, Montreal
 * John O'Toole, baggageman, Ottawa
 * Ernest Dubois, firefighter, Hochelaga
 * Nelson Robertson, express manager, Montreal
 * Joseph Chalu
 * Dolphis Seguin
 * J. Carriere
 * M. LeBrun
 * William Pouilotte, Whitney, Ontario
 * two unidentified persons

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Hi Luke, Welcome to Wikipedia. Best of luck. Richard W.M. Jones 22:57, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

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Help
Lkcl- the article on SMB and its parts and related protocols would benifit from describing them using the OSI model and/or the TCP/IP stack. Thanks -indolering

Minor edits
Minor edits should only be used for edits that could not possibly be disputed - things like spelling and grammer corrections, and wikifing. Do not use minor edits for any change in content. Hipocrite - « Talk » 20:00, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

TM
I enjoyed reading your addition to Talk: TM. It won't stop the edit wars, and they will now probably take aim at you as well, but at least you've written something that is actually from the TM point of view. Thank you! David 16:04, 23 September 2006 (UTC) Thanks for your reply! I agree with your points. David 15:19, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

A Note on Encyclopedic Language
Hi,

I am following events at Bourke engine with some interest. You appear to be doing a good job with the citations, but might I suggest you concentrate on making sure your language is encyclopedic as well? Your knowledge on the subject seems impressive, and I want to make sure your contributions to Wikipedia stand the best chance of not being reversed. If you have questions or comments, please leave a note on my talk page. Cheers, Ebikeguy (talk) 17:38, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

thanks - it's not so much "my" knowledge as it is that i got the book, have been reading it every day, and have been discussing it with a friend for about an hour a day because we're evaluating whether to put this engine - or a variant - into mass-production. so i'm learning as i go: it's Bourke's knowledge that i'm absorbing. regarding the style: i'm quite a prolific writer on technical subjects, and once wrote an entire technical book without ever using personal pronouns (at all - including the introduction), but i am a) not entirely used to wikipedia although i've read lots and occasionally contributed small-scale for over a decade b) am taking over what is effectively abandoned page that had several prior editors, including a few bun-fights, by people who clearly didn't understand the subject matter. but one who believed that he did, if it's the same person i think it is, there is empirical evidence to suggest that he's slightly mentally unstable :) anyway i'm correcting bits as i go.  i'm aware i do slightly... archaic sentence construction, but i'm also keenly aware that i'm somewhat hampered by having to focus on rebuttal of the "Engineering Critique" which is... achh it's bad.  if the engineering critique section is anything to go by, it's no wonder nobody's taken up the Bourke Engine... Otto has a _lot_ to answer for.  *sigh*. Lkcl (talk) 22:43, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

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EOMA68
Please could you declare your interest in EOMA68? Thank you. zazpot (talk) 19:50, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * how do i do that? ahhh i see, you put a link - thanks Lkcl (talk) 20:06, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * right... okay, going to need your advice / input.  i'm a software libre developer of 20+ years experience: working "publicly" - even before wikipedia existed - has been something i'm committed to in ways that actually go *beyond* what Wikipedia commits to!  i therefore don't see it as being a conflict *at all*.  now, if i was a "paid shill", working on a proprietary standard, a "conflict" would definitely be perceived.  if EOMA68 was designed to be a "restricted paid-up membership" standard (such as that of the MPEG standard) then yes, there would be a definite conflict of interest.  i fully understand that Wikipedia is fully committed to open (and accurate) information.... and likewise funnily enough i am fully committed to "EOMA68 the fully open standard" and to make sure it's accurately (and openly) documented.  the fact that i'm using elinux.org - which is also a wiki that's run on the exact same source code and the exact same Creative Commons license - should be a big clue!!!!  so you're going to need to be much more specific about where the "conflict" is before i make any such declaration that even such a conflict *exists*!  to make it clear: right now the way i perceive this is that by asking me to make a "COI" declaration, it's asking me to *lie* (i.e. to state that there is a "conflict" where i do not perceive there to be one).  if you can think of another way that this can be declared, or if we can walk through *specific* examples where "conflict" could actually be demonstrated, i'm happy to make such a specific declaration Lkcl (talk) 20:16, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * updated the talk page Talk:EOMA-68 best covered there i feel.
 * Thanks. Replied at Talk:EOMA-68. zazpot (talk) 22:36, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

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 * Sorry, that sounds awfully formal! It's not intended to be, it's just mandatory boilerplate. zazpot (talk) 17:20, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * not a problem (the formal bit). just so you know: to be absolutely clear, i am never going to be making a false declaration.  the last one of these "discussions" i was involved in, the total lack of trust - in direct violation of wikipedia's policy - left me with absolutely no desire to be involved in one of these quotes discussions quotes ever again.  i'll take a look, but from experience i can tell you right now that i have absolutely no trust whatsoever in these public "discussions". Lkcl (talk) 05:12, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

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 * JzG, i'll respond on your page. this is complex: summary is: your warning's not appropriate. it's too complex to explain, and there's too much "wrong" with what you've said to even begin to answer it in a reasonable amount of time.  i have been working on wikipedia for a long time, and am familiar with the "path" that you're taking.  Lkcl (talk) 18:09, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it's fair to say that I have been working here longer than you. And, unlike you, I have no vested interest in this content. Now would be a good time to start listening to the people who are trying to explain the problem, rather than recruiting your friends to help in the edit war, as you rather obviously have been. Guy (Help!) 21:37, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * guy: firstly i've been editing here since at least 2005 (and probably longer than that: 2005 was when Richard welcomed me to wikipedia was when i publicly created an account in order to edit the Samba page, rather than carry on doing anonymous editing). when are you going to get it through your thick head that i don't have a vested interest in this content.  i'm an engineer (engineers are known for speaking their minds and speaking "truth"- you can't be an engineer and get away with lying - it's bloody dangerous), but more than that i specialise in software libre where the "four freedoms" are specifically based in ethical behaviour and in the generally-accepted light of "full public accountability".  thus, in direct contrast to a "business",  even "edit wars", conflicts and failures are part of the learning curve that's critical in the "Libre" world so that other people can learn from it.  did you actually *do* any research - at all - on me before beginning with the accusations that you're hell-bent on levelling?  did you bother to look up what software libre projects i've been involved in?  what people are learning right now - publicly i might add - is that YOU are in direct violation of Wikipedia policy to trust contributors; YOU have made ASSUMPTIONS that there exists a COI based on ASSUMING that i'm an employee of a corporation that DOESN'T EXIST; YOU have assumed that i'm PROFITING from this venture when the fact is that it's had about $100k of sponsorship money (NOT INVESTMENT) put into it from various sources and the ENTIRE crowd-funding money ($150,000) is also GONE (accounted for very very quickly over the next few months and being DOCUMENTED PUBLICLY at http://bugs.rhombus-tech.net ), but not only that but you've FLAGRANTLY violated Wikipedia's editing rules AND blatantly violated the trust placed in you as an Administrator by TWICE putting in an entire bunch of edits that are FACTUALLY INCORRECT.  and you're trying to issue *ME* with a warning??? Lkcl (talk) 01:43, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Permute instruction
Hello. Your request for page restoration was approved. You'll find the content at User:Lkcl/Permute instruction. Have a great day! A S U K I T E 14:00, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

I have restored the deleted page Talk:Permute instruction and moved it to User:Lkcl/Permute instruction so that you can work on it there. Don't return it to main space until it has some content. Creating a stub with minimal meaningful content is fine, but not one with no meaningful content at all. JBW (talk) 14:04, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you to you both for your kind attention, JBW and User:Asukite i will update it first and carry out the move once completed (done it before) Lkcl (talk) 15:08, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you to you both for your kind attention, JBW and User:Asukite i will update it first and carry out the move once completed (done it before) Lkcl (talk) 15:08, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

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Hi, if you're still interested, I can leave some comments at the peer review for vector processor. Zetana (talk) 19:29, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * yes please Zetana because this is one of a very rare set of high-importance (well over 400 links) topics, with both historic significance and modern-day usage, and there's just not enough review or understanding at all. any review any time is very welcome Lkcl (talk) 12:48, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
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Portillo's Restaurants

Portillo's Restaurant Group, Inc. is an American fast casual restaurant chain based in the Chicago area that specializes in serving Chicago-style food such as hot dogs, Maxwell Street Polish, and Italian beef. The company was founded by Dick Portillo on April 9, 1963, in Villa Park, Illinois, under the name "The Dog House".

In addition to 46 locations in the Chicago metropolitan area and Northern Illinois, the chain also has six locations each in the Phoenix metropolitan area and the Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex; four locations each in central Illinois and the Indianapolis metropolitan area; three locations each in the Minneapolis-St. Paul metropolitan area,Tampa metropolitan area, and Greater Orlando; two locations each in the Milwaukee metropolitan area, Madison metropolitan area, Metro Detroit, and Southern California; and one location each in the South Bend metropolitan area, Fort Wayne, the Quad Cities, and Tucson.

History
Portillo's was founded in 1963 by Dick Portillo. After returning from serving in the Marines, Portillo gathered money from his savings and an investment from his brother Frank to open a hot dog stand. They bought a 12-foot trailer that had no restroom and no running water. They named it "The Dog House". The Dog House operated on North Avenue in Villa Park. At first the stand lost money and a solution was needed. Portillo snuck into one of the back rooms of a competitor and wrote down where they were purchasing their product. He continued the process of learning by visiting different competitors. By 1967, The Dog House, now in good financial standing, was upgraded to a larger trailer and was renamed "Portillo's". In 1970, he partnered with Harold Reskin and opened up his second location in a shopping mall that Reskin owned. Between 1972 and 1989, he opened up a second restaurant under the name "Barney's" that specialized in BBQ meals. In 1983 Portillo's opened up its first drive thru in Downers Grove. In the 90's Portillo's had profited by more than $50 million with 25 stores around the Chicago area. In 1993, he experimented with a few ideas by combining his concept stores Barney's and Barnelli's with a Portillo's restaurant. In 1994, the first Portillo's within Chicago city limits opened at the intersection of Clark and Ontario St. In 1995, Portillo opened Key Wester Fish & Pasta House in Naples, Florida. In 1996, Portillo brought the Key Wester Fish & Pasta to Naperville. In 2000, Portillo opened another concept restaurant called Luigi's House. The Portillo's chain grew again in 2010 with Honey-Jam Café.

In 2014, Portillo sold Portillo's to Berkshire Partners. The new owners are planning to open five to seven restaurants each year. Portillo has been buying the land for new sites, which he then leases back to the company.

The company filed to go public in 2021. Its initial public offering sold 28% of the company as stocks traded on the Nasdaq as of October 21, 2021, with private equity firm Berkshire Partners retaining the remainder of the ownership.

Outside Illinois
Portillo's had licensed restaurants in Tokyo, Japan, in the late 1980s and early 1990s. The Japanese locations all eventually closed.

Portillo's first California location opened on October 11, 2006, at the Buena Park Downtown shopping center in Buena Park. The second California location opened in 2008 in Moreno Valley.

Portillo's opened its first Florida location in 2016 in the Tampa suburb of Brandon, Florida, and a second location that same year in the University Square neighborhood in Tampa. The chain generated publicity with a tongue-in-cheek open letter on its website on June 16, 2015, the day after its hometown NHL team, the Chicago Blackhawks, beat the Tampa Bay Lightning to win the 2015 Stanley Cup. The stunt received newspaper coverage in both cities. "It's official. Portillo's is coming to Tampa in 2016. Tampa residents spent years peppering us with requests to build a restaurant—you really put us in a pickle. So we're thrilled we're finally making our way to Florida," Portillo's letter said, showing the chain's ironic humor. "Let's be frank: No matter whose jersey you're wearing, everyone will be welcome. We hope you don't have a beef against us or our hometown team." The locations in Tampa and Brandon have a 1930s Prohibition theme.

The Minneapolis-St. Paul region's first location opened in Woodbury in mid-summer 2017. Shortly thereafter in early fall 2017, the chain's first restaurant in the Indianapolis Metropolitan Area commenced operations in Fishers. Many former Chicagoans have moved to both regions. In 2018, Portillo's opened its second and third restaurants in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area (Maple Grove and Roseville, Minnesota) as well as its third and fourth Indiana locations (Mishawaka and Indianapolis) in 2018.

Portillo's opened its first restaurant in the Madison, Wisconsin, area and in the Davenport, Iowa/Quad Cities area (the first location in Iowa) in early 2019.

Portillo's added a new location in Sterling Heights, Michigan, in Metro Detroit which will be the first location within Michigan. It opened in March 2021.

Portillo's announced a new location in the Orlando, Florida, area, located at the corner of Palm Parkway and Daryl Carter Boulevard in Lake Buena Vista. It opened in June 2021.

In December 2021, Portillo's submitted plans to build a new restaurant at Santan Village in Gilbert, Arizona.

In April 2022, Portillo's opened their fourth location in Florida. It is located in St. Petersburg, featuring a 50s theme, and is their third in the Tampa metropolitan area. A location in West Kissimmee was announced the same month and is their second in the Orlando area, and fifth overall in Florida. In December 2023, the sixth Portillo's in Florida, and third in the Orlando area, opened in Clermont.

In January 2023, Portillo's opened its first location in Texas. It is located in the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex suburb of The Colony, at the intersection of SH 121/Sam Rayburn Tollway and Destination Drive at the Grandscape complex.

In February 2023, Portillo's opened the fifth and sixth locations in Arizona, located in Tucson and Gilbert.

In March 2024, the company announced it would open two new restaurants in the Houston area—one in Richmond at The Grand at Aliana and the other at the Willowbrook Mall.

Honey Jam Cafe
In 2010, Portillo Restaurant Group launched the Honey Jam Café concept, an upscale pancake house similar to Walker Brothers Pancake House in both ambiance and menu as a breakfast and lunch cafe. The Batavia, Illinois location closed in 2019.

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Kellas cat

The Kellas cat is a large black cat found in Scotland. It is an interspecific hybrid between the Scottish wildcat (Felis silvestris silvestris syn. Felis silvestris grampia) and the domestic cat (Felis catus). Once thought to be a mythological wild cat, with its few sightings dismissed as hoaxes, a specimen was killed in a snare by a gamekeeper in 1984 and found to be a hybrid between the Scottish wildcat and domestic cat. It is not a formal cat breed, but a population of felid hybrids. It is named after the village of Kellas, Moray, where it was first found.

Specimens, examination, and captive breeding
The "dog-size" animal snared in 1984 was 38 cm to shoulder height and measured 110 cm from nose to tail. When this find was reported, "[f]armers and gamekeepers responded immediately with claims that they had been shooting large black cats on Highland estates for years." Skeptics initially dismissed the animal as "a very large feral domestic cat".

A researcher at the National Museum of Scotland examined eight Kellas cat specimens. One carcass was already in the museum's collection; the remaining seven were supplied by Di Francis, who was described by Thomas as a "writer, researcher and practical naturalist". Thomas identified one of the animals as a melanistic wildcat; this juvenile male was the first wildcat ever documented as melanistic in Scotland. Most of the other specimens examined were concluded to be hybrids but more closely aligned to the Scottish wildcat; only one hybrid leaned more towards a domestic cat.

The purported first live Kellas cat, a female, was caught at the Kellas estate by the Tomorrow's World team and featured in the 1986 episode "On the Trail of the Big Cat". A second, male, was captured in 1988 in Inverness-shire. Both were kept for a time in the Highland Wildlife Park at Kincraig, then eventually taken on by Francis; she found them untameable but successfully bred them, producing the first litter of captive-born Kellas kittens.

The Zoology Museum of the University of Aberdeen also holds a mounted specimen that was found during 2002 in the Insch area of Aberdeenshire. Another specimen is kept in a museum in Elgin.

Distinction from other alleged cats in Britain
In 1988, in Dufftown, Moray, another wildcat-sized black animal was trapped and killed, and upon examination has been suggested to be a different species entirely, for having a very different skull structure, which is narrower and elongated, with a notably smaller brainpan, and unusual dentition.

Media reports about the Kellas cat in the 1980s often confused it, despite it being not much larger than a house cat, with purported sightings throughout Britain of leopard-sized or larger creatures, sometimes said to be black, tawny, or striped, and blamed for various livestock killings. While a single puma, that had escaped or been released from captivity as an exotic pet, was captured humanely in 1980 in Cannich, Inverness-shire, the remainder of such alleged great cats in Britain have proved to be elusive and dubious cryptids, generally regarded as urban legend.

Cat-sìth legend
The folklore of the cat-sìth ('fairy cat') may have been inspired by the Kellas cat. The cat-sìth is a fairy creature from Celtic mythology, said to resemble a large black cat with a white spot on its chest. Legend has it that the ghostly cat haunts the Scottish Highlands. The legends surrounding this creature are more common in Scottish mythology, but a few occur in Irish mythology.

The historian Charles Thomas speculated that the Pictish stone at Golspie may depict a Kellas cat. The Golspie stone, now held at the Dunrobin Castle Museum, shows a cat-like creature standing on top of a salmon, which may allude to the characteristics ascribed to a Kellas cat of catching fish while swimming in the river.

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Charles Kalme

Charles Ivars Kalme (Kārlis Ivars Kalme, November 15, 1939 – March 20, 2002) was a Latvian American chess master and a mathematician.

Kalme was born in Riga, Latvia on November 15, 1939. At the conclusion of World War II, Kalme and what was left of his family fled Latvia, lived for years in a refugee camp in Germany and finally arrived in Philadelphia in the United States in 1951.

Kalme won the U.S. Junior Chess Championship, held in Lincoln, Nebraska, in 1955 with a 9-1 score. He won the Pan-American Intercollegiate championship in 1957. In 1960, he played on the U.S. Team in the World Student Team Championship in Leningrad, USSR. The U.S. team won the World Championship, the only time the U.S. has ever won that event. Kalme won two gold medals, one for the team and the other for his individual result on board two. Kalme also represented the United States twice more in team play at this level: Helsinki 1961 and Kraków 1964. He played twice in the United States Chess Championship: 1958–1959 and 1960–1961. Kalme played the World Chess Champion to be, Robert Fischer (1972), three times. In 1957 he won and in both the afore mentioned U.S. Championships he lost and drew respectively.

Kalme also became a master of contract bridge. He sometimes played as a partner of Michael Lawrence, who was a member of the world champion bridge team, the Dallas Aces.

Kalme received a Ph.D. degree in mathematics from New York University in 1967, and became a professor of mathematics at the University of California, Berkeley.

When the Republic of Latvia regained its freedom from the Soviet Union, Kalme returned to his native Latvia, where he died in 2002.

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