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Neocatechumenal Way

The Neocatechumenal Way, also known as the Neocatechumenate, or NCW is a program in the Catholic Church. It is inspired by the catechumenate of the early Catholic Church where converts from paganism were prepared for baptism through a process of faith formation. This post-baptismal formation helps deepen the faith for adults that have already been baptized, and provides basic instruction to those that are far from the Church. This itinerary of formation adapts the rites of the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults (RCIA) for those that have already been baptized, without repeating the sacrament of baptism.

The Neocatechumenate began in Madrid in 1964 by Kiko Argüello and Carmen Hernández. It is implemented in small, parish-based communities of up to 50 people. In 2007 there were around 20,000 such communities throughout the World, with an estimated million Catholics following the itinerary. The Neocatechumenal Way has always placed a strong emphasis on New Evangelization, administering over 100 missionary diocesan seminaries, as well as sending families in mission around the world, to be a Catholic presence in secularized places.

Early history
In the early 1960s, Francisco "Kiko" Argüello moved to the shanty town of 'Palomeras Altas' in Vallecas, Madrid, and gathered a community of Romani people and marginalised poor. He was soon joined by Carmen Hernández, who linked the community to the theological and liturgical zeitgeist surrounding the Second Vatican Council, and won the support of the archbishop of Madrid, who had been a relator during sessions of the Council.

Gradually, the community's approach was codified in a "catechetical synthesis" referred to as the "tripod," "Word of God-Liturgy-Community", with the stated aim of seeking to lead people to fraternal communion and mature faith.

The movement spread through the Archdiocese of Madrid and to other Spanish dioceses. In 1968, it began to spread beyond Spain when Argüello and Hernández arrived in Rome and settled in the Borghetto Latino.

Leadership and governance
The community of Neocatechumens was led by the "International Responsible Team of the Way": Argüello, Hernández, and Fr. Mario Pezzi, a priest of the Diocese of Rome, until Hernández's death, in 2016. Under the terms of the 2007 statute, the three members of this leadership team will remain in place for life, after which an electoral college of senior neocatechumenal catechists will elect a new team which, with the approval of the Pontifical Council for the Laity, will have a mandate to lead the Way for a period of seven years until new elections are held. The Neocatechumenal Way announced on 13 February 2018 that María Ascensión Romero had been chosen to join the leadership team. "'They contribute by forming the first neocatechumenal communities of a parish, and are supposed to maintain regular contact with the Bishops of the diocese in which they work; the itinerant teams preserve a constant link with the responsibles of the Neocatechumenal Way, visiting periodically the communities they catechized and taking care of the development of the Neocatechumenal Way in the territory assigned to them, being fully faithful to the charism given to the initiators and obedient to the local Ordinary.'"

Nature and mission of the Neocatechumenal communities
The Neocatechumenal Way as it has been approved by the Holy See is a "Post baptismal catechumenate at the service of the Bishops as a form of diocesan implementation of Christian initiation and of ongoing education in faith, in accordance with the indications of the Second Vatican Council and the Magisterium of the Church”. From the initial catechesis, it typically takes several years and passing through stages of faith formation in the local communities, until a member reaches the "renewal of the baptismal vows."

It is implemented in dioceses under the jurisdiction of the bishop and the guidance of the Responsible Team of the Way “according to the lines proposed by its initiators”.

Stages of the Neocatechumenal Way
After two years in the Neocatechumenal Way, followers will be invited to attend the First Scrutiny. In the Second Scrutiny the great phases of the history of salvation: Abraham, Exodus, Desert, Promised Land, etc., and a time is given to them so that they may prove to themselves the sincerity of their intention to follow Jesus Christ. The local ordinary presides over the rites of the Neocatechumenal Way in person or through a delegate.

Missionary activity
Responding to secularization, the Neocatechumenal Way has implemented "families in mission" – families serving to establish the presence of the Catholic Church in countries where there is none (this is referred to as Implantatio Ecclesiae) or to strengthen the presence of Catholic communities in particularly difficult areas.

On 12 January 2006, about 200 families met with Pope Benedict XVI, asking for a missionary mandate before beginning their mission to France, Belgium, Germany and China – bringing the number of families in mission to more than five-hundred.

In March 2008 the Way met with nine cardinals and 160 European bishops at the Domus Galilaeae International Center on the Mount of Beatitudes in Galilee. Christoph Cardinal Schönborn said that during "the last 40 years Europe has said ‘no’ to its future three times: in 1968 when it rejected 'Humanae Vitae'; then, 20 years later, with the legalization of abortion; and today with homosexual marriages." He called the Neocatechumenal Way an "answer of the Holy Spirit to this situation." A joint declaration from the bishops said, "Here we have an important proposal, the proposal of the Neocatechumenal Way, which is to renew the life of the family."

On 10 January 2009, Benedict XVI met with over 10,000 people for a celebration marking the 40th anniversary of the Neocatechumenal Way in Rome. From this celebration several whole communities were sent on mission, along with itinerant catechists, mission families, and the Missio Ad Gentes (a newer form of mission that sends three to five families to a particular area at the request of the bishop).

In March 2019, the Neocatechumenal Way acquired the property of a 5173-square-meter part of the Mount of Olives at Jerusalem, in which they plan to build up a new international center named Domus Jerusalem.

World Youth Day Pilgrimages & Vocational Meetings
Approximately every three years, the World Youth Day has been organized by the Roman Catholic Church, during which the Pope summons youths from all over the world to a chosen city. The Way has been an active supporter of these and individual areas organize pilgrimages to the city.

During the pilgrimage event, young members of the Neocatechumenal Way meet with Argüello for a "Vocational meeting" where 'vocational calls" are performed. In Sydney (2008), for example, approximately 1,500 men answered the call for the priesthood and 850 young women stood up to show their willingness to enter the consecrated life, and in Bonn (2005) around 1,500 young men and another 900 young women answered the call. These young men and women begin a process of discernment in their own dioceses and communities, which may lead to priesthood (most of the priestly vocations go to a "Redemptoris Mater" seminary) or consecrated life.

The Neocatechumenal Way in the Eastern Rites and the Holy Land
During the Neocatechumenal Way vocational meeting held near the Sea of Galilee following Pope Benedict XVI's visit to the Holy Land in May 2009, Arguello described the Way's situation in the Holy Land. There are seven communities in the Latin Church, in Jaffa, Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Nazareth, Bethlehem and Cana. In March 2000, the Way opened its Domus Galilaeae formation center on the slopes of the Mount of Beatitudes in Israel. The facility houses a seminary and is used for studies and retreat, Christian seminars and conventions.

In February 2007, bishops of the Holy Land addressed a letter in which they ask to the Neocatechumenal Way "to take place in the heart of the parish in which you announce the Word of God, avoiding to form a separated group", to root believers "in the parishes and in the liturgical traditions in which they have lived for generations", and that all Eucharistic celebrations would be presided by the parish priest. The document stated that the liturgical rite has preserved the Christian faith through the history of their nations and it was "like an identity card, not just a way like another to pray" in the Church.

In June 2007, Melkite archbishop Elias Chacour proposed the establishment of a new "branch" of the Neocatechumenal Way for the Eastern Catholic Churches, Archbp. Chacour stated in his message that he searched for "someone or some community to preach the Good News to my parishioners" as an answer to proselytism of the sects, and that the Neocatechumenal Way is an answer. A spokesman for the Way reported the letter to ZENIT, saying that "We share the sense of urgency expressed by Archbishop Chacour to evangelize 'the living stones' in the land of the Lord."

The Redemptoris Mater Seminaries
The Way also operates several seminaries dubbed Redemptoris Mater seminaries which combines the priestly formation found in a seminary with the Christian formation received in a neocatechumenal community. Potential candidates often undergo a time of "Pre-Vocational Formation" before entering the seminary, which operates somewhat in the manner of a pre-med course, designed to prepare, nourish, and preserve their vocations. The intent was to establish a seminary that was both international, i.e. with vocations coming from different nations, and missionary, i.e. upon ordination, the priests are available to go wherever their ordinary sends them. In 1988, the first Redemptoris Mater Seminary was established in Rome by Ugo Cardinal Poletti.

The Statutes and the Catechetical Directory
In 1997 Pope John Paul II "encouraged [Argüello and Hernández] to examine their thirty-year experience of the Way, and to formalize it with a written statute," and Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger urged the drafting of the Statutes as "a very important step that will open the way to the formal juridical recognition by the Church, and giving you a further guarantee of the authenticity of your charism" The Statutes drafted in response were approved ad experimentum for five years in 2002, and on June 13, 2008, Stanislaw Cardinal Rylko published a decree containing the definitive approval of the statutes of the Neocatechumenal Way.

The Statutes describe the nature of the Way and regulate its charism and specific tasks within the Church. Through them the Neocatechumenal Way was endowed with "public juridical personality" status. The Way is thus closely governed by an ecclesiastical authority, performs entrusted functions "in the name of the church," and has no material goods of its own.

After thorough examination by various Vatican dicasteries, on December 26, 2010, the Pontifical Council for the Laity approved the text of the catecheses which are handed on to neo-catechumens during their itinerary. Pope Benedict XVI praised the approval: "With these ecclesiastical seals, the Lord confirms today and entrusts to you again this precious instrument that is the Way, so that you can, in filial obedience to the Holy See and to the pastors of the Church, contribute, with new impetus and ardor, to the radical and joyful rediscovery of the gift of baptism and to offer your original contribution to the cause of the New Evangelization.".

Liturgy
The Neocatechumenal Way regards liturgy as one of its three fundamental elements (tripod), along with the Word of God (scripture), and Christian community. The Paschal Mystery, celebrated in the Sacred Triduum, is seen as a liturgical axis and source of Christian life and a fulcrum of the Neocatechumenate which leads to "rediscovery" of Christian initiation. The Eucharist is essential to the Neocatechumenate, since this is a post-baptismal catechumenate lived in small communities. In fact, the Eucharist completes Christian initiation.

The Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments has observed the Way's liturgical practices from the beginning. Pope John Paul II celebrated the Eucharist at the meeting with the communities in Porto San Giorgio in 1989, exactly as the communities do it, including the Communion rite in a sitting position.

Cardinal Francis Arinze, the Prefect of the Congregation from 2002 until 2008, wrote in December 2005 a private letter to Arguello, Hernández and Pezzi on behalf of Pope Benedict. One of the points of Arinze's letter has been contradicted by the Final Statutes of the Neocatechumenal Way, in which the celebrations of the Eucharist of the Neocatechumenal communities on Saturday evening have been recognized as "a part of the Sunday liturgical pastoral work of the parish open also to other faithful.”

In an interview with the Spanish newspaper La Razón, Antonio Cardinal Cañizares, then Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship, expressed his view on the Eucharistic celebration of the Neocatechumenal Way:

 * "There are no liturgical anomalies [in the Eucharist]; everything is in full compliance with the guidelines of the ‘Ordo Missae.’ What I have really seen there are Eucharists celebrated without any hurry, with a great faith, and where you can perceive the joy and the thanksgiving for the gift which is being bestowed in the Eucharist.”

The Statutes also mention the sacrament of Penance celebrated according to the rite of reconciliation for multiple penitents, with individual confession and absolution.

In April 2012, journalist Sandro Magister reported that Pope Benedict XVI asked the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to review whether Masses celebrated by the Neocatechumenate are “in keeping with the liturgical teaching and practice of the Catholic church”.

Criticism and opposition
The Neocatechumenal Way has encountered resistance and criticism from both heterodox and traditionalist opponents. These including writers and journalists such as Gordon Urquhart who, known for his cooperation with Catholics for a Free Choice Foundation, in 1995, accused the Way and other lay movements, like Focolare and Communion and Liberation, of conservatism, fanaticism, sectarianism, devaluing of reason, "brainwashing", and a "personality cult" of the founders. In his publication he wrote that after the Neocatechumenate was introduced into the parish of St Germain-des-Prés in Paris, the Archbishop of Paris, François Cardinal Marty, blocked any further expansion before his retirement in 1981, and similar controversy in 1992 prompted the Bishop of Nancy to transfer the neocatechumens to a different church. Daniel Lifschitz criticizes an excess of centrality of the Way on the initiators' charism and aesthetics, although not totally rejecting the validity of the movement.

In 1985, then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, in the Rapporto Sulla Fede, spoke of new lay movements, including the Way. The future Pope remarked that they also entail greater or lesser dangers, but that it "happens with all living beings," while enumerating the fruits born in these charisms: enabling youth to live their faith fully, a great missionary élan, serious life of prayer, full and undivided catholicity, and numerous vocations to priesthood and consecrated life.

There have been allegations that the Way has a divisive impact on parishes. In 1996, Mervyn Alexander, Bishop of Clifton, in England, established a panel of inquiry to explore claims made by parishioners in three parishes (St Nicholas of Tolentino in Bristol, St Peter in Gloucester and Sacred Heart at Charlton Kings in Cheltenham) that had been harmed and experienced ‘considerable stress’ as well as ‘spiritual, personal and mental anguish’ by activities of the Neocatechumenal Way. The report stated that "it understands, from this presentation paper and the submitted evidence, that the Neocatechumenal Way over a long time (20 years) seeks to lead people towards salvation," but it is a cause of 'considerable stress', and 'spiritual, personal and mental anguish' for some individual members. The report recognized at the same time that "there is undoubtedly a 'conversion experience,'" and that it is drawing people in different conditions towards God.

In some places such as China and the Middle East, local Catholics have complained that missionaries of the Way have forced European songs, rituals and prayers on them, without inculturation. Archbishop Peter Takeo Okada, president of the Japanese Bishops' Conference, described the Way's presence in Japan’s small Catholic community as "a serious problem" and "divisive and confrontational". Staff and students of the Takamatsu Redemptoris Mater seminary relocated to Rome in 2009, and in 2010 the Japanese episcopal conference asked the Way to suspend its activities in Japan for five years. Local Catholic bishops suspended the Way's activities in the northern part of the Philippines in 2010, and in Nepal in 2011.

Papal statements
Pope Paul VI stated in 1974: "What great joy and what great hope your presence and activity give us!... Living and promoting this reawakening is what you call a form of 'follow-up to Baptism', which will renew in today's Christian communities those effects of maturity and deepening which in the early Church were achieved by the period of preparation for Baptism."

John Paul II, in 1980, regarding the nature of the Way, said that, "being a way, it is also movement". In his letter Ogni Qualvolta (1990), he "recognize[d] the Neocatechumenal Way as an effective means of Catholic formation for society and for the present time."

In February 2014, Pope Francis told the members of the Neocatechumenal Way that "[t]he Church is grateful for your generosity! I thank you for all that you do in the Church and in the world." Francis added that "[t]he freedom of the individual must not be forced, and you must respect even the eventual choice of those who should decide to look outside of the Way, for other forms of Christian life".

On March 6, 2015, Pope Francis again addressed the Neocatechumenal Way in Vatican City: "I confirm your call, I support your mission and I bless your charism. I do not do so because he [pointing at Kiko] paid me, no! I do so because I want to do it. You will go in Christ's name to the whole world to bring his Gospel: Christ precedes you, Christ accompanies you, Christ will bring to fulfilment the salvation of which you are bearers!"

Dialogue with Judaism
Since its beginnings it has been a matter of concern of the Neocatechumenal Way to emphasize the Jewish roots of the Christian faith. With reference to the Second Vatican Council and its emphasis on the Paschal mystery of Christ, for example, the Salvation history connection between the Jewish Passover and the Eucharistic celebration takes a broad space in the proclamation.

During his visit to Israel in 2000, Pope John Paul II consecrated the international centre of the Neocatechumenal Way Domus Galilaeae at the Sea of Galilee, which serves as a site of Christian-Jewish dialogue. In 2015 and 2017, meetings were held between high-ranking representatives of the Catholic Church and Judaism, where Jewish rabbis David Rosen from the American Jewish Committee and Ronald Lauder from the World Jewish Congress participated.

One of the important components of the dialogue with Judaism on the part of the Neocathechumenal Way is also Kiko Argüello's symphony The Suffering of the Innocent, a symphony in memory of the victims of the Holocaust, which was to be heard, among other places, in Jerusalem, New York City, the Vatican City and Auschwitz. In his appreciation of the symphony, which was also held on 10. June 2018 in the Berliner Philharmonie, the Potsdam rabbi Walter Homolka, chairman of the Union of Progressive Jews in Germany, recognised the special commitment of the Neocatechumenal Way in dialogue with Judaism and its recognition of the Jews as “Father in Faith”. Rabbi Jehoshua Ahrens said in a greeting that the Neocatechumenal Way led a dialogue at eye level with Jews.

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The result of the debate was delete. --Tony Sidaway Talk 23:14, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

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Redelete: this page already went through VFD and was nuked. Hoax page about a UK Simpsons spin-off. Speediable? JDoorjam 04:25, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
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There is a CS interface page.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interface_(computer_science) --John van v 04:43, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

This page was not well written and has therefore been redirected to the Interface page until a new page can be created. Some of the elements that made this a poorly written page were as follows:

The previous introductory sentence contradicts the title and is at best controversial: "In computer science, the interface pattern isn't a specific pattern amongst design patterns."

By definition, a pattern is something that occurs continually and a design pattern is an abstract prescription of how to address a problem that occurs continually. While many books on design pattern don't specifically call out the conceptual notion of an interface, the concept of one entity defining the contract for a body of concerns is a pattern that occurs over and over.

The second statement is also arguably incorrect: "It's a general method for structuring programs so that they're simpler to understand."

The primary goal of an interface is not to make something easier to understand. This is essentially the intent behind the Facade Pattern, but the intent of using an interface is to separate the public contract for a body of behavior from its actual implementation such that the implementation may vary. The vast majority of interfaces expose the exact same public properties and methods that their concrete implementing types do.

The following statement not only conveys a highly subjective idea, but is additionally a poorly constructed sentence.

"In opposite to Java, where interfaces are common, this pattern is not very often used in C++."

Apart from the grammatical structure of the sentence, the conclusion that interfaces are not used often in C++ is a subjective observation, and one which presumes a definition of "interface" that I do not believe to be correct. Consider this statement from the Interface page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interface_%28computer_science%29 ):

"The concept of interface is the cornerstone of modular programming, a forerunner and a standard ingredient of object-oriented   programming."

Obviously, both of these statements can't be correct unless we conclude that C++ isn't an object-oriented language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Derekgreer (talk • contribs) 20:19, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

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Someone has gone rather mad with links on this page, going so far as to link the album Joy back to the disambiguation page. That's pretty silly. Also formatting of songs/albums has been changed from the standard and some disimprovements made to the text. The biggest of these is that the band name "Skids" has been changed to "The Skids". Please don't deliberately introduce errors. Robin726 16:56, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

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The music video for this song was included on the preview CD for Windows XP. I'll find out the name of the CD and add it here later.

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The list of personnel is a bit iffy. It says Kevin Ayers played bass guitar on A1-2, while Archie Leggatt is also listed as playing bass guitar. It also says Eddie Sparrow played drums, while Robert Wyat did "percussion". I'm not sure where this information comes from neither. I downloaded this (very cool) album, and the rar had a file named notes.txt, which contained the following list:

John Cale -  Keyboards, Viola Nico -  Harmonica, Marimba, Vocals Mike Oldfield -  Bass, Guitar, Vocals Robert Wyatt -  Percussion, Drums, Vocals John Wood -  Engineer Kevin Ayers -  Bass, Guitar, Vocals, Producer, Performer Phil Ault -  Assistant Engineer John "Rabbit" Bundrick -  Keyboards Ray Doyle -  Assistant Engineer Brian Eno -  Synthesizer, Keyboards, Vocals Ollie Halsall -  Guitar, Piano Archie Leggett -  Bass Eddie Sparrow -  Percussion, Drums Richard Williams -  Producer

As you can see, this list does not say on which track they appeared. So, if this is an exact copy of the CD/LP booklet, then where does the list in the article comes from? - Face 10:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Well it isn't an exact copy of the LP credits whereas the one currently posted IS! It does indeed have Ayers and Legett both playing basses on tracks one and two. Nico playing the Harmonica? Harmonium! NH #79.121.143.143 (talk) 10:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

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Eternal Sunshine...
While watching "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" last night, I realized that "Juturna" is littered with allusions to the movie:

>"She's got the photos but no recollection..." Clementine has Joel erased from her memory. But then (Elijah Wood's character) tries to seduce her using Joel's photos, poems, etc.

>The title of the song "Meet me in Montauk" is one of Clementine's lines during Joel's sporadic wandering through his memories of her.

>The title of the song "Wish Resign" is an allusion to the Alexander Pope poem from which the movie's title is derived.

I know it's a relatively insignificant album by a smaller band, but I think this is worth noting.

Most people already know this. I don't think theres a need to mention it. Reiver 01:32, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Rumored Concept Album
I would really, really love it if there was some sort of citation for "It is rumoured to be a concept album based on Anthony Green's battle with cocaine. Some of his ideas for the lyrics appeared to him as he was watching the movie Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind during a cocaine trip." I think while many people would speculate that the album could be a concept album (example #1 example #2), I haven't seen any official statement on it. I do know that Anthony Green is probably fond of cocaine (as seen in a live video with his older band, Saosin. He says, "I'm a big fan of coke and all, but I don't need a bundle of it to go on stage") but I'm not too sure if the album is a concept album about cocaine or the movie Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind even though there are songs that makes references to it ("The Glorious Nosebleed" for Cocaine, "Wish Resign" and "Meet Me in Montauk" for Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.)  Also, in the second example, one of the members on the board states that he asked the guitarist, Brendan, if the album Juturna had a story or theme and supposedly he said "no." --Cerule 09:21, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Track 7
I'm pretty sure that Track 7 is just called "Stop the Car", not "Stop the Fucking Car". Every other Internet resource simply lists it as "Stop the Car". I've also seen the album in stores and "Stop the Car" is printed on the tracklisting. However, I'm going to let someone else edit this because I'm not entirely sure, and I might be wrong about this. --64.230.121.49 16:07, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * iTunes has the track tagged as "Stop the Fu*king Car". Unfortunately, EVR has very basic information on the web.  No track listing on the official site or merch store. I know I've seen a lot of releases in the past which had the profanity removed from the song title on the CD case.  I would go by the liner notes of the CD, if anyone can attest to what is within the booklet? chowski 16:36, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Their Last.fm profile for the album has it listed as 'Stop the Fuckin' Car', and the only people who have a right to upload/edit that information are EVR and Circa Survive themselves, so I assume it's official. However, the CD does just say 'Stop the Car'.  I wrote in a note to indicate this. 67.70.163.54 15:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

If you open the booklet and read the lyrics for the song, inside it's titled "Stop The Fucking Car".

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Gabri (footballer, born 1979)

Gabriel Francisco García de la Torre (born 10 February 1979), known as Gabri, is a Spanish retired footballer, currently a manager. Mainly a midfielder who could play in the right or the middle, he could also appear as an attacking right-back.

He spent seven years of his professional career with Barcelona (13 counting youth teams), winning four major titles but almost exclusively as a backup, totalling 194 games and 13 goals. He also played four seasons with Ajax.

Gabri represented Spain at Euro 2004. He later managed in the Spanish lower divisions.

Barcelona
Born in Sallent de Llobregat, Barcelona, Catalonia, Gabri started his professional career at FC Barcelona's reserves, where he made his first appearances in the 1997–98 season whilst they competed in the Segunda División B. He scored four goals in 28 games en route to promotion, including once in a 5–0 home win against Real Madrid Castilla in the playoffs.

Gabri was promoted to the main squad for the 1999–2000 campaign, making his debut on 8 August in the first leg of the Supercopa de España as a 77th-minute substitute for Phillip Cocu in the 1–0 loss at Valencia CF (4–3 aggregate defeat). Two weeks later, on his La Liga bow, he came off the bench in a 2–0 victory over Real Zaragoza at the Camp Nou in the season opener. On 27 October, he played a full match for the first time and scored his first goal in a 5–0 home defeat of AIK Fotboll in the first group stage of the UEFA Champions League; he totalled a career-best six goals in this first season, including three more against Hertha BSC and AC Sparta Prague in the next part of the competition.

Over the next three years, Gabri was a regular. He featured less in the 2004–05 and 2005–06 seasons in which he won his only Barcelona honours under Frank Rijkaard (two leagues, one Supercup and the 2005–06 UEFA Champions League). On 23 September 2004 he suffered a severe anterior cruciate ligament injury with a prognosis of six months in a 4–1 home win over Zaragoza. While he did not even make the bench for the 2006 Champions League final which his team won against Arsenal, he scored to open a 3–1 home victory against SV Werder Bremen in the group phase on 22 November. In his final appearance for the club on 13 May 2006, he was sent off in added time for arguing with the assistant referee.

Ajax
Gabri's contract at Barcelona was not renewed, and he joined AFC Ajax on a free transfer on 6 June 2006, alongside former teammate Roger García. There, he immediately won the Johan Cruyff Shield in a 3–1 defeat of PSV Eindhoven in August, and was also a key element in a side that lost the Eredivisie on the last matchday, to the same opposition.

In May 2007, Gabri won the KNVB Cup on penalties against AZ Alkmaar, in a match where he received a red card in the 79th minute. In August, Ajax successfully defended their Supercup title by beating PSV again, with him as the only goalscorer in the match.

Later career
On 27 May 2010, after a last poor individual season with Ajax – only 13 matches, even though the Amsterdam side finished in second place – the 31-year-old Gabri signed for Qatar Stars League club Umm-Salal Sports Club. On 4 July of the following year he moved countries again, joining FC Sion in Switzerland.

On 25 July 2012, having taken almost no part in the Super League campaign, Gabri changed teams but stayed in the country, agreeing to a contract at FC Lausanne-Sport.

International
Gabri was a key element in Spain's squad at the 1999 FIFA World Youth Championship, scoring three goals to become World Champion of the category. He was also a member of the national team at the 2000 Summer Olympics in Sydney.

After making his full debut on 30 April 2003 in a friendly with Ecuador, Gabri went on to represent the nation at UEFA Euro 2004 in Portugal, not leaving the bench in an eventual group-stage exit.

Coaching career
Gabri retired from playing at the age of 35, and immediately returned to Barcelona as assistant to their reserves. In July 2015, as part of a reshuffle by incoming director José Segura, he changed roles within the club, becoming the coach of the Juvenil A youth team.

On 24 October 2017, Gabri was appointed manager at Sion until June 2019, succeeding Paolo Tramezzani. His debut in senior management came five days later in a 5–1 defeat at BSC Young Boys. He won once and lost six times in eight games as the team dropped from seventh to bottom tenth, before being replaced by Maurizio Jacobacci on 7 February.

At the end of December 2018, Gabri signed with FC Andorra with former Barcelona teammate Albert Jorquera as his assistant, following Gerard Piqué's acquisition of the principality-based team in Catalan regional football. The team won the Primera Catalana in his first season, achieving a double promotion to Segunda División B after buying the place of economically troubled CF Reus Deportiu. On 24 February 2020, after three consecutive losses and seven matches without a win, he was dismissed.

Remaining in the third tier, Gabri managed UE Olot from January to April 2021, leaving by mutual consent. On 1 June that year, he signed for Lleida Esportiu for the next three seasons; he stayed for only one year in the Segunda Federación, in which the side lost in the first round of the playoffs after a goalless draw with seeded Sestao River Club.

Gabri replaced Pedro Munitis at the helm of CE Sabadell FC in the Primera Federación in July 2022. The team had a sharp drop in budget and mostly relied on youth, with him fielding 27 players in 17 games, losing nine; he was dismissed on 19 December while lying two points inside the relegation zone.

On 16 June 2023, Gabri was appointed manager at Nantong Zhiyun F.C. for the remainder of the season. On 25 September, he resigned.

Honours
Barcelona
 * La Liga: 2004–05, 2005–06
 * Supercopa de España: 2005
 * UEFA Champions League: 2005–06

Ajax
 * KNVB Cup: 2006–07, 2009–10
 * Johan Cruyff Shield: 2006, 2007

Spain U20
 * FIFA World Youth Championship: 1999

Spain U23
 * Summer Olympics silver medal: 2000

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Same problem as Seven Steps to Heaven. This is not Miles' ninth studio album. The Miles Davis Discography page seems to have a fairly accurate accounting of his recordings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_Davis_discography — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.205.76.53 (talk) 01:45, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

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Who plays what on this album?--Design 14:09, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

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<^>v!!This album is connected!!v<^>

 * All song titles serve as redirects to this album, have their own pages, or have had disambig links placed at the appropriate article or disambiguation page.--Hraefen Talk 21:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Authentic Matthew/Archive 1

If you guys pause to think for a mathematical thought moment, you will realize the words of Christ are too important to the World to resolve into stationary categories determined by Wikipedians. You folks do a fantastic job, but this must use certain mathematics to be done correctly.

I do not know how your computer system sorts, but in this case we have an evolving concept that is currently a “probability system” that is quickly collapsing into one concept … one wavefunction so to speak.

It is mathematical requirement for the quantum mechanical collapse of the World’s understanding of the True Words of Christ that you create a focused, forever-branching (you should probably use a Binary Tree Sorting System) and forever-evolving Wikipedia Category called something like:

“Authentic Matthew, showing all translations from Aramaic into English for discussion threads” or perhaps you can suggest a better title that keeps evolving.

At your service if I can be of help,

Professor Peter the Gardener (peter.thegardener@gmail.com)

Please note, that this page contained long discussion not related to 'Authentic Matthew', but rather to accusation of sockpuppeteering. Much of the material was 'cut and pastes' from elsewhere, and all regarding personalities and not substance. I have removed this material, to allow readers to clearly see the substantive debate. The material is still available in the edit history, from where my actions may be scrutinised. (To see the page, prior to my cleanup look here ) --Doc (?) 14:48, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

I see your point. I know what it feels like! OK by me. --Poorman 22:41, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

-a compromise?
This is Professor Peter the Gardener. I just found this commentary on Feb 10,and I wanted to thank you all for your precision thoughts. [I am just learning how to add to Wikipedia correctly, so thanks for your patience.] These are important issues, and I love your minds. I have many comments that will post in a few days .. thanks again.

I believe by NOT creating a category called "Authentic Matthew" we '''lose a major research tool .... Wikipedia Itself'''

Perhaps I should explain my theory behind why a category called Authentic Matthew should exist... If one assumes that a person called Matthew actually existed and wrote anything about Christ, then in fact at some point of history there were actual sentences and concepts uttered by Matthew. That accurate history is in fact Authentic Matthew. I firmly know that Wikipedia itself is the mathematical vehicle by which Authentic Matthew can be discovered by Worldwide debate. ALL facets of Matthew must be brought to the discussion ... AND NO ONE AUTHOR can bring all facets to this deep a discussion. Therefore, I think that we can use the "Public Editing" vehicle of Wikipedia itself to CREATE the body of COLLECTED knowledge to determine Authentic Matthew.

If Wikipedia licenses their technology, I would be glad to host a Wiki style colletion of knowledge at the University of Destiny (my web site). I believe Wiki technology can answer many of the World's questions that no one author could possibly address. Wikipedia is essentially becoming the modern day equivalent of the Great Library of Alexander (all knowledge of the world literally in one place ... get it today ... on Wikipedia).

It seems to me the 'structure' of an Authentic Matthew research site on Wikipedia (and please, I would like to mirror or host at University of Destiny also) would start with whatever raw evidence (letters, manuscripts) we have on Matthew and post actual photos of these objects so we can ALL do the thinking we want about the raw evidence.

Then, theories would be split off by timeline over history about what these letters, etc meant ... 'Authentic Matthew" is NOT a concept that is stationary for just 2006 ... How people understood Matthew has changed over time and only with Wiki technology of public editing can we collect the tidbits of information from all over the world, embedded in thousands of minds, into one spot. Then, we can all think about how Matthew evolved in our minds over the centuries [there would have to be a posted history timeline in this article]

If this concept works, at the University of Destiny I had planned to then publish the raw data on every part of the Bible and use the public commentary to literally re-think, then re-write, the Bible starting from the raw documents of 2000 some years ago.

The number of mathematical loopholes in the current logical structure of the Bible is staggering ... particularly when you include the lying strategies of Roman Generals. How do we know, with 100% certainty, that the "Jews" that betrayed Jesus were not a hired assassin team secretly sponsored by the Roman Generals? This is not at all a 'conspiracy theory" since lying at that time was a standard part of an Emperor's Moral tools ... their morality was 'do whatever it takes including lying to win'.

My best start so far is with Newton's "Chronology of Ancient Kingdoms" which you can find at my web site Garden of Destiny.

Thanks for listening. Peter.

 * I recognise that there was no consensus to delete this article – and that it is unlikely to change. I did warn –Ril- that his involvement in the second re-listing was likely to be counterproductive - but getting this article right is more important than personalities.

I am firmly of the opinion that no article should exist by this name. Commentaries on Matthew do discuss various theories of its origins - and even reference Jerome (in passing, and invariably to reject), but there is no discussion of a hypothesis of an actual early document called 'Authentic Matthew'. I have checked some specialist academic dictionaries, and cannot find this even cited in an index. The original article took all sorts of (disputed) asides from the Church Fathers, added them to several unrelated scholarly theories about synoptic origins – to produce what is a piece of original research. Notable proto-Matthean theories can be, and are, discussed under Gospel of Matthew or Synoptic problem. But links from here to other Biblical studies articles, are worryingly giving the impression of a prominent scholarly theory that simply does not exist.

Looking at the last vote Votes for deletion/Authentic Matthew 21d, 12k, 4m – I note that 4 of the ‘keep votes’ expressed a desire for a renaming. So that would indicate a 29-8 feeling, not for deletion but, that it was undesirable to have this article at this name. Is there room for an acceptable compromise? I’d like to move it to Possible origins of Matthew’s Gospel and place it the context of the real scholarly debate on Matthew. There would some overlap with both the Gospel of Matthew and Synoptic problem – but that I for one could live with. I could just ‘be bold’ and do this, but it is likely to be reverted, and I’m likely to get abuse, – so I’m looking for some agreement that this has a consensus – preferably from some of those who didn’t vote ‘delete’. Any comments? --Doc (?) 17:50, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

 * At the very, very least this article needs to be renamed to get rid of the highly POV name. DreamGuy 20:29, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

 * As I mentioned when voting "keep" on the second VfD, I think a renaming might indeed be in order. "Possible" origins seems unnecesary, though.  The document exists so we know it had some origin or other.  Perhaps we could call the article simply "Origins of Matthew's Gospel" and begin it with something along the lines of "There are different theories about the origins of Matthew's Gospel."  At any rate, I'm not knowledgeable enough about this subject to add anything more, so I'm wishing the rest of you the best of luck and dewatchlisting the page. JamesMLane 21:51, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I would suggest renaming this to Hebrew Matthew or Hebrew version of Matthew. The most common name for these ideas is Gospel of the Hebrews, and that article contains a fair amount on this subject. However Gospel of the Hebrews is also a name given to other texts, so having a separate page might be useful. Aramaic primacy is also closely related, though it again covers a much broader subject. We could also turn this into a general article on Pre-Matthean material, but this would cover far more than the current one, and this subject is probably best covered in the Gospel of Matthew article itself. - SimonP 00:35, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

 * What about something along the lines of Origins of the gospels? I admit that I'm borrowing the language/ideas Helmut Koester might use. -- llywrch 02:27, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Perhaps a bit vauge - but I'll go for anything but the current title --Doc (?) 02:35, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Thant there was ever a Hebrew language verion of Matthew is a theory very few scholars embrace. Whilst the debate merits mention on WP, I doubt it alone merits a full article. Even this article (as bad as it is) is working with an Aramaic thesis. I agree that the various pre-matthean material hypotheses would best be covered in the Gospel article (although they are perhaps a little technical for a general browser there) - but I was trying to find a solution for this article. It is being linked into others as if the existence of something called 'Authentic Matthew' was a given, or a notable concept - which it simply is not. --Doc (?) 00:50, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't understand the vote tallies. There should only have been 11 to keep, since #12, quote "very good" end quote, was the user's 8th edit. On the other hand, in addition to the 21 deletes, one person who voted to merge suggested that a delete was also appropriate. Davilla 11:15, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Whether it is understood or not, that was the conclusion of the closing admin (on the second nomination). I don't want to brown nose the admins - but I think we need simply to accept it and look to see for what there is a consensus. This article is not going to be deleted - pity, but there we have it :{ --Doc (?) 23:51, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you for your response. I'd like to point out that this was the second nomination only because the first vote was flawed. I had supported the revote, if you'll notice, because a clear decision doesn't give either side excuses to whine.
 * When I say that I don't understand the vote, you're correct to assume that I don't agree with it, of course, but more literally, being new to Wikipedia, I don't understand it. If it's supposed to be subjective, then do comments like "seems to be legit" carry as much weight? If not subjective, I was particularly worried that my vote wouldn't be counted although I had invested some time in arriving at a conclusion. And does this three-way split with merge votes ever accomplish anything?
 * That the vote isn't supposed to be transparent wasn't the answer I was expecting, but it does do a pretty good job of explaining why I don't understand it. And if you are correct, then that's about the best explanation I could hope to have.
 * I'm not as knowledgable on this stuff as you (and others here... nor are they as you). Work with the man and see what you can do with the title, at least.Davilla 06:03, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Yet you rejected the Acjelen compromise! --Mikefar 09:44, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Acjelen's version was not a compromise. Acjelen didn't like the article any more than anyone else: if you note, Acjelen deleted most of the article. Acjelen's version is not NPOV or factually accurate, but is more NPOV than previous versions. Mikefar is a sockpuppet of Melissadolbeer. --Ron. 11:07, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

redirect and protect?
'''WARNING: This is illegal! VfD result was 'Keep' not merge and redirect''' --Mikefar 09:41, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * VfD result was

 * 21 votes:DELETE
 * 4 votes:MERGE
 * 11 votes:KEEP
 * This is a clear "delete/merge" consensus. The closing admin declared that there was "no consensus" not that the result was "keep". Mikefar is a sockpuppet of Melissadolbeer. --Ron. 11:07, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Since the content seems to have all been merged I think the best way to get rid of this issue is to merge it again, possibly even protecting the page to force those wanting unredirection to give their rationale for doing so. What are your thoughts on this? I'm tempted to be bold, but I might as well get some sort of agreement first.

If no-one replies to this comment in a couple of days or so, I'm going to go ahead. So speak now or forever hold your peace. :) GarrettTalk 01:43, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

I'd find that acceptable. But where would we point the re-direct? I'd suggest to Gospel of Matthew - certainly not to Gospel of the Hebrews as the identification of that with something called 'Authentic Matthew' is POV --Doc (?) 01:47, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Support
 * 1)     ( ! | ? | * ) 08:07, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) DreamGuy 19:18, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) GarrettTalk 23:16, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) I would redirect to Aramaic primacy in order to give the reader an understanding of the controversy. --goethean ॐ 15:53, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm going to suggest a modified approach here. The Gospel of Matthew article (which is the most important one) currently is filled with a very disproportionate section '#Lost Aramaic ("Hebrew") versions of Matthew' - which is of very minor interest, and may well have been caused by earlier merges from here. I'd like to split that section off into an Origins of the cannonical Gospel of Matthew - we can then redirect 'Authentic Matthew there' and at least keep all the idiotic theories in one place, and away from the mainstream article. I'm willing to do this (and rewrite) if other agree, and defend me against any 'sock attacks' --Doc (?) 17:06, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Just be sure to spell canonical correctly. :D  --goethean ॐ 17:47, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed (feeling foolish} :-o --Doc (?) 17:54, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be better to re-merge Origins of the can n onical Gospel of Matthew back to Gospel of Matthew ? ( ! | ? | * ) 21:27, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Could do, but you'd end up with a lot of fairly specialist and complicated stuff in what should be a fairly general overview of the gospel, its contents, origins, socio-historical backgound and significance. I think you'd also end up with a POV war in a fairly important article. I'd like to do some work on Matthew - but I don't want bogged down with all that - especially if our POV warriors return. --Doc (?) 21:35, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

However The Original Gospel of Matthew is less POV than Authentic Matthew. How do you feel about it Doc?

Melissadolbeer is at it again!!!! The POV that composed this article has been re-created at a new one - see Votes for deletion/The Original Gospel of Matthew. ( ! | ? | * ) 20:08, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Did Jerome actually use the words "authentic Matthew"?
I don't think the term "Authentic Matthew" should be used unless the supposed citation from Jerome in which he gives it that term can be produced, in which case I think said quote should be given verbatim. Anyone have access to the Latin of the Commentary on Matthew?

Can I propose an idea? If we are discussing a Hebrew/Aramaic text of Matthew, then we have to drive the article from the statement of Papias, because it is the only unequivocal reference to such a thing (even though it is not clear what the relation of the text he describes is to the Greek Matthew). Then we link to separate pages on the Gospel of the Hebrews, Gospel of the Nazoreans, and Gospel of the Ebionites which then contain the patristic citations we have for each title?

In order, lose the opinion stuff altogether and hunker down behind a "the ancient texts say this, this and this -- there are disagreements as to what this implies."

We could then extend the last part by specifying the various differing analyses of the data, using quotation and reference. If anyone knows what the current consensus of scholars is, of course we don't just have an assertion, but rather a verbatim and referenced citation by a current scholar (who holds a teaching post specialising in the subject) stating "the current consensus is..." (whatever it is).

Just a suggestion. I didn't think it contains wild and obvious falsehoods as it stands.

Roger Pearse 22:22, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Problem is, I don't think any scholar is discussing something called 'authentic Matthew' either to support or deny its existence. The existence of an Aramaic original to Matthew is discussed (mainly discounted). The hypothetical 'M source' is discussed, but no-one is calling this 'authenic Matthew'. Scholars were being cited in the original POV verson of this article - but not for the theory itself - only for the component parts (weaved together in original research). Problem is, having NPOV'd this article - and removed the OR, there is simply nothing here to discuss, that is not discussed somewhere else (Synoptic problem or Gospel of Matthew). However a bunch of (pretty uninformed) votes, prevented deletion. --Doc (?) 22:54, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes,Jerome did actually use the words "authentic Matthew" --Mikefar 09:54, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * No Jerome didn't. For a start, Jerome wrote in Greek/Latin. P.s. Mikefar is a sockpuppet of Melissadolbeer. --Ron. 11:07, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Historiographical issue
No matter what, this topic has a long and interesting historiographical tradition. I ran across the term while reading a scholarly text and came to Wikipedia to learn more about it. Redirecting the article is akin to deleteing it. Is Wikipedia not able to discuss this like adults? See Dark Ages or Feudalism for how one deals with controversial topics in a NPOV manner. At the very least, this article should discuss the terms usage and provide some historiographical backgraound and context. Is that not possible? Stbalbach 14:40, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

It is possible, if the term (as opposed to other discusions of a proto-Matthew which are discussed elsewhere) can be shown to have had any usage other than of Jerome. You mention 'a scholarly text', what was it? (Also it has not been deleted - but merged elsewhere with all Original research removed) --Doc (?) 14:55, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Dictionary of the Middle Ages, the article on Anglo-Saxon literature (see the References section for a cite). If the content has been merged than that works, either way, so long as there is dicussion of it somewhere. Stbalbach 17:13, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The reference in Anglo-Saxon literature was added by yourself .     ( ! | ? | * ) 22:26, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I found the reference to it in the Dictionary of the Middle Ages. It's cited in the Refereces section. Stbalbach 22:38, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
 * There is no such reference in the Dictionary of the Middle Ages article, nor is any of the cited references in the References section describing anything more specific that Anglo-Saxon literature. Indeed, they don't even use the word "authentic" once.     ( ! | ? | * ) 22:55, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I own a complete set of the Dictionary of the Middle Ages. The Dictionary article calls it the "Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew". I assumed that was some kind of non-authoritative version and so pointed it here, but could be mistaken. Stbalbach 01:28, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * NO The Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew is something else entirely.     ( ! | ? | * ) 09:11, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks for some reason I missed that in the search, not sure how that happened, sorry for the confusion. Stbalbach 14:56, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for that. Well, that explains it - what you have is a reference to a medieval apocryphal gospel - your dictionary is labeling as a 'pseudo' not an 'more authentic' gospel. This really has nothing to do with the debates over the ancient origins of Matthew. --Doc (?) 08:29, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew is a quite distinct work and is not something that could be considered an original "authentic gospel of Matthew" but something else entirely.     ( ! | ? | * ) 09:11, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks -Ril-, I couldn't exactly place it, that settles it, and (I think) ends this debate. --Doc (?) 09:31, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, that's helpful, I'll follow that up in the library, I'm intrigued. --Doc (?) 17:18, 5 August 2005 (UTC) I'm not interested in WP cites - many have been corrupted on this issue by POV pushing of OR. I'm trying to verify any mention of 'Authentic Matthew' in significant secondary literature (so far without success). I'll try to follow up the Dictionary cite next week --Doc (?) 22:35, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Right, now I get it, only I don't. If there is a 'translation' of Authentic Matthew in Old English then it is obviously spurious, and has nothing to do either with patristic debates or modern scholarship on Matthew's origins. Medieval apocryphal gospels are quite common - but Biblical scholars would not even bother to debate whether they shed light on First Century texts. It is possible that some Anglo-Saxon writer has picked up on Jerome’s remarks and done some invention - but I'd like to see some scholarship making that connection before I would want it mentioned in Wikipedia. I’m not even that clear what Jerome actually said (as opposed to how he’s being translated here). Anyway, the university library beckons in the next weeks or so. --Doc (?) 22:59, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

The book he is on about is the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew it isn't this alleged "Authentic Matthew" - its something completely different. ( ! | ? | * ) 09:12, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Protection
All this blanking, recreating, reblanking, recreating, has to stop. The VfDs ended in no consensus, so the article is kept. Unilateral decisions to remove it anyway aren't acceptable. Sort things out here, please — and would editors try to remain calm and composed, and civil in doing so? --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:44, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

 * What is unilateral here??. The 'keep no consensus' debate had many keep voters who were suggesting 'merge' (and everything had been merged) or 'rename' - i.e. were unhappy with an article here by this name. Further, if you check above, you will see a fairly extensive ('calm and composed') debate, in the wake of the vote (and -Ril-'s stupidity), and over a number of days, concerning the possibility of a redirect. A number of people contributed with different ideas - but all were in favour of a redirection - and not one for keeping the article as it stood. My action was not unilateral, nor hasty - quite the reverse.

 * I might add, your protection is highly questionable. There is no revert war here. I redirected two weeks ago - and no-one has challenged it. Now one editor, has unilateraly reverted it - without any discussion or seeking any concensus - and you have protected that position, when no-one was yet reverting it. Please explain who is not calm or composed here? --Doc (?) 10:03, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Looking above, I see accusations of 3RR violations, insults, recriminations — but no calm or composed discussion; nor do I see anything that clearly indicates consensus. Moreover, the last four edits to the article have been: blank & redirect; recreate; blank & redirect; recreate.
 * I should add that I don't take User:Doc glasgow to have acted in bad faith or maliciously; I just think that it was a mistake. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:29, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

(Please note, Mel's comments here were made after the discussion on redirection (above) had been, presumably accidentally, deleted by User:Melissadolbeer. I have now reinstated that discussion --Doc (?) 11:10, 19 August 2005 (UTC))

 * All of the above disputes have involved either -Ril- (who, fortunately, isn't likely to cause trouble right now) or the 'creator'. The last four edits were 1) a redirect (two weeks ago) 2-4) a revert, which the editor immediatly undid himself. 4) Another (unilateral) revert by one party. So, who or what exactly is the article 'protected' against? What abuse is happening or likely to happen? Mel Etitis wants things to 'calm down', but they have been calm for three weeks now - I see no recent agro until today - and that is all accusations from one party. Mel reads the consensus differently from me, OK, so let's calmly discuss it. But it seems to me that this protection is unneccessarily privilaging that same party's position. --Doc (?) 10:48, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for reinstating the discussion; I should have checked, but it didn't occur to me that the page would have been, well, let's say "archived without an archive". The protection, of course, always has to fix one version, so one side is always advantaged (note the wording of the notice, though).
 * The consensus above, at a quick glance, seems to have been for the creation of Origins of the canonical Gospel of Matthew, with a redirect of this article to that one; I see from the red link that that wasn't done — is there a differently named article of the same type? --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 13:55, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

 * No, I myself was the one suggesting that, but it was going to be a deal of work, and I didn't want to do it - just to get into a dispute with one individual's strong opinion. The redirect was an immediate fix - and could be undone if I, or someone else, had the time to create such an article later. I was not the only one suggesting it. --Doc (?) 14:25, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

My worry is that the quick fix would end up just pushing the issue into an ignorable limbo. Your suggestion was, I think, an excellent one; a start could be made by moving this article to that title, and beginning to edit it in accordance with its new name. As there seems to have been agreement to the basic idea, I'll do that (and unprotect) if no-one objects in the next twenty-four hours. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 17:01, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

 * My suggestion was not that this article be moved to Origins of the canonical Gospel of Matthew, but that the existing origins material be split from Gospel of Matthew and expanded to a new article (and that's quite a bit of work)- and then that this article could be a redirect to it. But of course there are other solutions possible.

 * Mel, I'm finding your attitude here hard to fathom - and your actions somewhat irregular. Why did you, and why are you still protecting this page and now enforcing a solution? There was a discussion, at the end of which I took action. (And VfD 'no-consensus' results do not preclude redirects or merges.) I admit my action was not incontestable. But then anyone could have objected, or reverted it (even you) – and fair enough. But in fact no-one did – the others in the debate seemed content. Today Melissadolbeer not only undid the revert, but took the article back to a version that most people agreed was both POV and factually incorrect, and did so with no attempt at discussion or to see if her action would commend any support at all. At the same time she removed the critical discussion, on which I had based my action - and made a host of insulting and irrational accusations about a '-Ril- group' (as if!) both here and elsewhere. On her appeal for assistance, you used your admin position to protected her unilateral action - when there was no live 'edit war', or even discussion. Despite my request, that has remained the case. I'm really not sure why you are championing one user (who has vociferously, even with admitted sock puppets, pushed her opinion) against myself and others who were quite calmly looking for a solution. --Doc (?) 20:52, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * (Type in haste, repent at leisure: withdrawing my more heated remarks with apologies to Mel, that was uncalled for --Doc (?) 21:43, 19 August 2005 (UTC) )

 * Doc, I think that admins sometimes just freeze pages in the state that they are in to stop a fight (although, true, there was no edit war here). For what it's worth, Mel, I agree with Doc that Melissadolbeer's actions were rash, out of line, and against consensus. And that the page should be temporarily protected as a redirect rather than preserving Melissadolbeer's essay. And of course none of us support -Ril-'s (or -Ron-'s) bizarre antics. --goethean ॐ 21:30, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

I wasn't chamioning Melissadolbeer; I was acting on the information I had. Now that that has been supplemented, I'm still unsure about the correct action, but I'll return the article to the unprotected redirect for the moment, and wait to see what happens. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 23:03, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Dear Mel Etitis, thanks for your help. Anyone who reads the "history" of the article on Authentic Matthew knows what Doc is saying is totally untrue. -Ril-, Doc, etc., have put up three failed Vfds and have removed the article in other ways. Your action was absolutely necessary. -- Melissadolbeer 11:06, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

 * There was nothing wrong with your recreation of the article, given the confused and obscure history of this article, but deleting the relevant discussion wasn't acceptable. Do you object the consensus discussed above?  If not, why not? --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 13:55, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

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Planes Mistaken for Stars

Planes Mistaken for Stars was an American rock band formed in Peoria, Illinois in 1997. Working with several different labels, they released three studio albums and four EPs before breaking up in 2008. While rooted in the post-hardcore and emo scenes of the turn of the century, Planes Mistaken for Stars developed a distinctive musical style strongly influenced by heavy metal and rock and roll. Reuniting for live performances in 2010, they went on to release their fourth album Prey in 2016.

Formation (1997–1999)
In 1997, lead singer and guitarist Gared O'Donnell started the band with guitarist Matt Bellinger, bassist Aaron Wise and drummer Mike Ricketts. Shortly after the band self-released a self-titled EP in 1998, Wise was replaced by Jamie Drier. Deep Elm later reissued the EP in August 1999. They also released the 7" single Fucking Fight on Steve Aoki's Dim Mak Records later that same year.

Intermediate years (1999–2006)
In 1999, Planes Mistaken for Stars moved to Denver, Colorado. After the move, the band recorded their second release for Deep Elm, Knife In The Marathon. In 2001, the band signed to Gainesville, Florida's No Idea Records to release Fuck with Fire. The next year they released an EP titled Spearheading the Sin Movement and also made an appearance on Black on Black: A Tribute to Black Flag, a tribute to the hardcore punk band Black Flag.

In 2003, Planes saw its second line up change. Jamie Drier left the band and was replaced by Chuck French, formerly of the band Peralta. Chuck played his first show with Planes on November 2, 2003.

Later that year, Planes recorded Up in Them Guts with A. J. Mogis, whose most notable work is with Saddle Creek artists Bright Eyes and The Faint. Up in Them Guts was released in 2004 on No Idea. To promote the record, the band took on one of the lengthiest tour schedules of their career, covering the United States and Europe with bands such as The Ataris, Cursive, Against Me!, Dillinger Escape Plan, Hot Water Music and High on Fire on six separate tours. They also made festival appearances at Skate and Surf Fest, Strhess Fest, and Hellfest. In 2005, Planes completed three additional headlining tours; one in the United Kingdom, and two in the United States.

In early 2006, Planes' original guitarist Matt Bellinger parted ways with the band to pursue other musical endeavors starting with Ghost Buffalo and Il Cattivo. Despite rumors of the band signing with metal label Relapse Records, they announced a deal with Abacus Recordings/Century Media Records in late-2005 and planned to release a new record mid-2006. Originally scheduled for a June 6, 2006 (6/6/6) release, the record had been pushed back in order to accommodate the schedule of the producer they chose to work with, Matt Bayles, who has worked with bands such as Mastodon and Isis. What would be their final record, Mercy, was released on October 3, 2006.

Dissolution (2007–2008)
In July 2007, Planes Mistaken for Stars announced that they had broken up. They performed their final concert on February 16, 2008, at the Marquis Theater in Denver. Chuck French and Neil Keener are together in a group called Git Some. Keener is also in a drone band called Bull of Heaven with songwriter Clayton Counts. French is in a band called Wovenhand with former 16 Horsepower singer David Eugene Edwards. Gared O'Donnell was in a project titled Hawks and Doves. Matt Bellinger was in a project called Ghost Buffalo who had two records out on Denver's Suburban Home Records, and was later in a rock band called Il Cattivo. Mike Ricketts and Jamie Drier are playing together in a group called onYou in Chicago.

Reunion, Prey and O'Donnell's death (2010–2021)
Starting in 2010, Planes Mistaken for Stars began to sporadically play shows and go on tour, starting with Fest 9 in Gainesville, Florida. Planes Mistaken for Stars toured the US East Coast in mid-2012, and the US West Coast in mid-2014.

Following a series of cryptic online videos with testimonials from Brann Dailor (Mastodon), Ryan Patterson (Coliseum), Nate Newton (Converge, Old Man Gloom) and Jeremy Bolm (Touché Amoré), the indie label Deathwish Inc. announced it would reissue Planes Mistaken for Stars' 2006 final album Mercy on July 14, 2015, which was followed by a short promotional East Coast US tour. Along with the announcement of the reissue, the band also revealed they had been "quietly and persistently working on new music" for a near-future release also on Deathwish.

A little over a year after initially teasing it, Planes Mistaken for Stars released their fourth full-length album – and first release of new material in 10 years – titled Prey on October 21, 2016, through Deathwish.

On September 19, 2017, an article from Westword by Jason Heller confirmed that guitarist Matt Bellinger had died on September 7. Bellinger was imprisoned in Douglas County Jail for charges including vehicle trespass, theft, possession of a weapon, and obstructing the police. According to CBS4, the death was ruled as a suicide by hanging, although an investigation was opened to determine the cause of death.

On November 25, 2021, the band confirmed that O'Donnell had died from esophageal cancer. In a statement, they confirmed that the final Planes Mistaken For Stars album had been completed and would be released:

"Gared spent the last year of his life doing exactly what he loved, writing and recording music. We are currently working hard to bring these multiple final projects to completion. It is heartbreaking to do this without him, but we know that he would want for us to complete what we had started together. We will do our absolute best to honor his legacy and spread word of the legend that he embodied."

, no further projects have been announced or released by the band.

Musical style
According to The A.V. Club, Planes Mistaken for Stars have "always excelled" in a "space between classic rock, stoner metal, and discordant hardcore". Stereogum called them one of the "heaviest" groups of the "post-hardcore underground of the '00s"; similarly, Metal Hammer called them one of few good bands of the "post-hardcore/emo boom of the early part of the millennium", stating that their "gritty, rough and discordant punk always came laced with melody and imbued with the spirit of classic rock'n'roll". Punknews.org wrote that they are "one of the few [bands] who could mix genres such as metal, hardcore, punk and post-hardcore all together, to such great effect". According to SLUG Magazine, they have existed "on the periphery of emo, punk, hardcore and rock n' roll".

Members
Final line-up
 * Gared O'Donnell – vocals, guitar (1997–2008, 2010–2021; died 2021)
 * Mike Ricketts – drums (1997–2008, 2010–2021)
 * Chuck French – guitar (2004–2008, 2010–2021), bass (2003–2004)
 * Neil Keener – bass (2004–2008, 2010–2021)

Former members
 * Aaron Wise – bass (1997–1998)
 * Jamie Drier – bass (1998–2003)
 * Matt Bellinger – guitar, vocals (1997–2006; died 2017)

Timeline

Studio albums

 * Fuck with Fire (2001, No Idea)
 * Up in Them Guts (2004, No Idea)
 * Mercy (2006, Abacus)
 * Prey (2016, Deathwish)

Compilation albums

 * We Ride to Fight! (The First Four Years) (2007)

Singles, EPs

 * Planes Mistaken for Stars (1998, self-released)
 * Planes Mistaken for Stars / Appleseed Cast / Race Car Riot (1999, Deep Elm)
 * Fucking Fight (1999, Dim Mak)
 * Knife in the Marathon (2000, Deep Elm)
 * Spearheading the Sin Movement (2002, No Idea)

Compilation appearances

 * Black on Black: A Tribute to Black Flag (2002, Initial)
 * If It Plays... (2004, Thinker Thought)

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Mosul International Airport

Mosul International Airport is an airport located at Mosul, capital of Nineveh Governorate, Iraq. It became a civil airport in 1990 with the rebuild of the runway (from asphalt to concrete) and construction of a new terminal. After undergoing major renovations to be able to reach international standards and category 1 status, it reopened as a civilian airport on 2 December 2007. On 9 June 2014, it was captured by militants from ISIL.

In February 2017, the Iraqi government recaptured the airport from the ISIL militants. It took Iraqi forces just 4 hours to battle the retreating ISIL opponent and clear them off the airport. The retaking of the airport was part of an offensive, that started on 19 February 2017 to retake Western Mosul from ISIL.

On December 27, 2020, the Iraqi Government allowed the Iraqi Civil Aviation Authority to negotiate and agree to a memorandum of understanding for the rehabilitation and reconstruction of the Mosul International Airport with Aeroports de Paris Ingenierie (ADPI).

History
The airfield was used by the British Royal Air Force (RAF) at the end of the Mesopotamian Campaign of World War I and from 1920 RAF aircraft squadrons (and from 1922 also Royal Air Force armoured car companies) were based there while Iraq was under the League of Nations British Mandate. RAF Mosul was handed over to the Royal Iraqi Air Force in 1936 under the terms of the 1931 Mandate but was used again by the RAF during World War II. It subsequently became a major Iraqi Air Force base, with at least a squadron of MiG-21s stationed there.

The military airfield was one of several Iraqi Air Force airfields in the mid-1970s which were rebuilt under project "Super-Base" in response to the experiences from Arab-Israeli wars in 1967 and 1973.

It was seized by Coalition forces in 2003 after the U.S.-led invasion. It became a United States Army facility that same year. The 101st Airborne Division was the first Army Unit to occupy the base in 2003. The Base was divided into two FOB's. FOB Marez to the West and FOB Diamondback to the East which incorporated the Airfield.

On 21 December 2004, fourteen US soldiers, four American employees of Halliburton, and four Iraqi soldiers were killed in a suicide attack on a dining hall at the Forward Operating Base (FOB) Marez, west of the main US military airfield at Mosul. The Pentagon reported that 72 other personnel were injured in the attack carried out by a suicide bomber wearing an explosive vest and the uniform of the Iraqi security services. The Islamic terrorist group Army of Ansar al-Sunna (partly evolved from Ansar al-Islam) declared responsibility for the attack in an Internet statement.

During 2006–2007, the U.S. government spent over 15 million US dollars restoring the airfield lighting, generators, and built a new air traffic control tower on the East side of the Field. At this time, the Airfield was under the control of the 82nd Airborne (1/17th CAV) which fell under the 25th Aviation Brigade which was based at Camp Speicher/COB-FOB Speicher (Al Sahra Airfield.) The FARP or refueling point was located at the Southeast end of the airfield.

During the 2007 Iraq surge, the base was downsized and consolidated into one FOB even though the footprint did not change. The name FOB Marez remained and the name of FOB Diamondback went away. Many of the extra CHU's and other types of portable structures were sent to Baghdad to accommodate the surge that was occurring in that area.

The former Iraqi Passenger Terminal was also restored and reopened for a flight in December 2007 for the Hajj. The Passenger Terminal was at the far Southwest corner of the airfield. Iraqi Airlines flew 152 passengers to Baghdad which was the first commercial flight since U.S. Forces declared the no fly zone in 1993.

In 2011, the airfield and the facility were turned over to the Iraqi Government.

On 9 June 2014, the airport was captured by militants from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant as part of the 2014 Northern Iraq offensive. Satellite images taken on 31 October 2016 shows that the airport runways have been damaged, with wide trenches carved into them and rubble placed along their lengths, according to Stratfor. Taxiways and aprons have also been sabotaged by ISIL militants. The airport was retaken by the Iraqi government in an effort spearheaded by the Federal Police on 23 February 2017.

In March 2018, de-mining operations started in the Mosul International Airport and were completed in November 2019.

In August 2020, the responsibility for the reconstruction of the Mosul International Airport was changed from the Nineveh Governorate to the Reconstruction Fund for Areas Affected by Terror Operations (REFAATO).

In December 2020, the Iraqi government came to a preliminary deal with Aeroports de Paris Ingenierie to reconstruct and renovate the Mosul International Airport. For the project Aeroports de Paris Ingenierie partnered with a local company and offered financing through a French government loan.

Airlines and destinations
Currently, there is no air service to Mosul.

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Melba, Australian Capital Territory

Melba is a residential suburb in the Belconnen district of Canberra, located within the Australian Capital Territory, Australia. The suburb of Melba is named after Dame Nellie Melba (1861–1931), the first internationally recognised Australian opera soprano. The streets are named after composers, singers and other musically notable Australians or people with strong Australian connections.

Features
Located in Melba are a government run primary school (Mount Rogers Community School), and a merged secondary school, Melba Copland Secondary School, a merge of Melba High School and Copland College.

Melba Tennis Club and its eight courts are located adjacent to the playing fields. A former member of the club is Annabel Ellwood, whose highest ranking on the WTA Women's Professional Tour was 57 for singles and 60 for Doubles in 1997. Ellwood's name appears on the honour board in the clubhouse.

Political representation
For the purposes of Australian federal elections for the House of Representatives, Melba is in the Division of Fenner.

For the purposes of Australian Capital Territory elections for the ACT Legislative Assembly, Melba is in the Ginninderra electorate.

Geology
A porphyry of Green-grey Dacitic intrusive containing large white Feldspar crystals is found in the north east corner. Green grey dacitic tuff from the Hawkins Volcanics occur on the south east side of Melba. Green grey dacite and quartz andesite occur in the north west to the south east. This is intruded by a band of Glebe Farm Adamellite. Deakin Volcanics purple rhyodacite with a patch of purple and green tuff are in the south west. The Deakin Fault runs north west through Melba and is marked by quartz.

People honoured in the streets of Melba

 * Alda Place – Frances Alda, New Zealand-born soprano
 * Amadio Place – Neville Amadio, flautist
 * Bainton Crescent – Edgar Bainton, British composer and Director of the New South Wales Conservatorium of Music
 * Bishop Place – John Bishop (1903 – 1964), music academic and pioneer.
 * Boult Place – Arthur Boult, organist, the first organist at St Peter's Cathedral, Adelaide, 1877–91.
 * Bowden Place – Alfred Henry Bowden, violinist and pianist.
 * Brahe Place – May Brahe (1884–1956), composer
 * Brash Place – James Brash (1881–1861), composer, conductor and adjudicator; Musical Editor, Chappell and Company.
 * Brier Place – Percy Brier, (1885–1970), pianist, organist, conductor and composer; a founder of the Brisbane Chamber Music Society; founded the Music Teachers' Association of Queensland, and the Guild of Composers.
 * Brownlee Place – John Brownlee, baritone who often sang with Melba
 * Buckman Place
 * Cade Place – William Cade, first conductor of the Adelaide Symphony Orchestra
 * Carandini Street – Marie Carandini, soprano
 * Carey Place
 * Castles Place – Amy Castles (1880–1951), soprano
 * Charvin Court – Yvonne Charvin (née Leverrier) (1879-1917); studied piano with Josef Kretschmann, Sydney, 1896, and with Leschetitsky, Vienna, 1898; taught and performed in Paris; returned to Australia in 1903; performed at the Sydney Town Hall in 1904; taught at the NSW Conservatorium; decorated by the French Government with Croix Rouge Francaise for concert work for Red Cross, 1914–15; sister of Frank Leverrier.
 * Chinner Crescent – Norman Chinner (1909–1961), organist and conductor
 * Clifford Crescent
 * Clutsam Place – George Clutsam, piano accompanist to Melba, composer
 * Conley Drive
 * Coutts Place
 * Crossley Close – Ada Crossley, contralto, renowned in oratorio
 * Delaney Court
 * D'Hage Circuit – Louis D'Hage, violinist and teacher
 * Ennis Place
 * Flower Place
 * Goldner Circuit – Richard Goldner, Romanian-born violist and founder of Musica Viva Australia
 * Goossens Place – Sir Eugene Goossens, composer, conductor and advocate for the building of the Sydney Opera House
 * Grainger Circuit – Percy Grainger, pianist and composer
 * Alfred Hill Drive – Alfred Hill, composer

 * Henslowe Place
 * Horsley Cres
 * Hosking Place
 * Ives Court
 * Keats Place – Horace Keats (1895–1945), UK-born composer
 * Kruse Place
 * Laver Place-
 * Le Gallienne Street – Dorian Le Gallienne, composer and critic
 * Levey Place
 * Linger Place – Carl Linger, German-born composer
 * Lovelock Court – Dr William Lovelock, English composer and critic, and first Director of the Queensland Conservatorium of Music
 * Lyster Place
 * McEachern Crescent – Malcolm McEachern, bass singer in opera and oratorio; he made a famous recording of the Gendarmes' Duet with Harold Williams
 * Marsh Place – composer and music publisher in late 1800s
 * Mewton Place – Noel Mewton-Wood, pianist
 * Miranda Place
 * Orchard Place – W. Arundel Orchard, organist, pianist, composer, conductor, and Director of the New South Wales Conservatorium of Music
 * Paling Place – Willem Paling (1825–1895), Dutch-born violinist, teacher, piano manufacturer and founder of Paling's music stores
 * Sampson Close
 * Saville Close
 * Scarlett Street – Robert Dalley-Scarlett (1887–1959), organist and choral conductor
 * Sharp Place
 * Sherwin Place
 * Stewart Crescent – Nellie Stewart, actress and popular singer
 * Stralia Place – Elsa Stralia, soprano
 * Traynor Court
 * Treharne Place
 * Verbrugghen Street – Henri Verbrugghen, Belgian violinist and first Director of the New South Wales Conservatorium of Music
 * Wallace Place
 * Zelman Place – Alberto Zelman, founder and conductor of the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra

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Talk:Young and Rich

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I'm uneasy about this being called a 'Greatest Hits'. Several of the tracks were B-Sides or EP cuts. --MartinUK 00:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

'Best of' redirects to 'greatest hits' anyway but I've changed the text - seems fair enough Cavie78 13:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

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