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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ExamDiff (2nd nomination)

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Redirect to Diff. Radiant_ >|< 09:18, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

ExamDiff
The first deletion nomination was borderline by my count, and I decided to close it with a keep after a good rewrite by the author. This has been disputed and one sysop even peremptorily deleted it. I'm listing this for further discussion. I would like to ask the deleting sysop not to make further attempts to delete this without a proper discussion. It is in no way a candidate for speedy deletion. --Tony Sidaway Talk 19:51, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a popular programming tool, given a good editorial review by download.com.  The article was written by the author of the software, but in my opinion the article lacks the promotional language and the unjustified superlatives (or inded at the moment any superlatives) that are characteristic of advertising.  It is well written and encyclopedic, and is useful. --Tony Sidaway Talk  19:51, 22 August 2005 (UTC)  addendum: If not kept, redirect to diff. --Tony Sidaway Talk  21:34, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. While it seems like a nice program, it is really not very notable -- it's just a windows implement of the unix command "diff". Sdedeo 20:35, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * FWIW, of all the diff tools I can find listed on download.com, it has both more downloads total and more downloads last week than all the others put together. It is given the third highest CNet rating after both versions of DiffDog, and the second highest user rating after ExamDiff Pro.  It had more downloads last week than the CygWin Unix porting suite. --Tony Sidaway Talk  20:54, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a verifiable topic. There are precedents for this sort of article: see kompare, WinDiff, WinMerge. If the program is really just a variant of "diff" (doesn't look like it, because it includes a GUI), then merge into diff and redirect. --MarkSweep 20:59, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Reads like an advertisement, even after the re-write. --Carnildo 21:02, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. (Am I allowed to vote?) -- Alex Nisnevich (talk) 21:03, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Well you are the author of the article and of the software tool so as long as we all know that, the closer can take it into account. --Tony Sidaway Talk 21:44, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I am not the author of ExamDiff. Why do you think I am? -- Alex Nisnevich (talk) 21:46, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Dunno. Brainfart induced by excess consumption of anno domini, I should expect. --Tony Sidaway Talk 21:55, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Diff. It's already mentioned in the Related Proprietary Software subheading of the Diff article, and I fail to see what's so encyclopedically notable about this program that it merits its own article. Fernando Rizo T/C 21:24, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually I could go with that one. If it isn't kept, I think that would be good. I'll edit my vote. --Tony Sidaway Talk  21:34, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I actually use this product but am puzzled as to how it could be considered encyclopedic.  It is a very ordinary piece of utility software that, though well written, is simiar to many other competing products.  I cannot imagine how it would contribute to history in any way, and can't imagine why an encyclopedic project -- even one as broad as Wikipedia in scope -- would be a suitable reference source for such ephemera.  The Uninvited Co., Inc. 21:43, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * delete as per Uninvited Company --TimPope 22:08, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep per Tony's assertion that it's a popular programming tool. Kappa 22:32, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It's "popular" for a very limited definition of "popular": Linux and MacOSX both come with a very nice "diff" utility, which is far more widely used than ExamDiff. Also, most programming IDEs come with an integrated "diff" utility.  That means that this program is popular among programmers who meet all of the following:
 * Have a need for a "diff" utility
 * Don't use MacOSX or Linux
 * Don't use either Cygwin or MinGW
 * Don't like their IDE's "diff", or don't use an IDE
 * It's a very small market. --Carnildo 22:44, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It's also used as the version comparison utility in QVCS. Uncle G 23:55:50, 2005-08-22 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is not an encyclopedia article, it's a man page. Steve Summit (talk) 23:17, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but that's not a criterion for deletion. At best it's an argument for improving the article. --MarkSweep 04:17, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * You're right, my stated reason was a little flip, but my point was that I think it's inherently a man page, I can't really see how it could ever be properly encyclopedic, without duplicating too much information that would more properly be (and already is) on a central, non-particular-implementation-specific diff page. Steve Summit (talk) 02:25, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I can't see how it's encyclopaedic on it's own merit.  Would people wanting to know about ExamDiff actually go to Wikipedia to do it? Cursive 23:37, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete; not notable enough. Erwin Walsh
 * In Votes for deletion/ExamDiff 2, User:ESkog commented on the lack of criteria for determining the notability of software. I suggest the answer to the following question as at least a guideline: "Did anyone else care enough about the software to review it?"  In cases of software products that would probably be universally considered notable, such as PKZip or PC Tools, that is the case, as such products have many reviews in computer magazines and the like.  However, for this package I haven't yet located anything other than simple reprints of the "blurb on the side of the box" (sometimes thinly disguised, and mostly as product descriptions in on-line catalogues).  You might be able to sway editors' opinions, User:Alex Nisnevich, if you can locate reviews of this package, to show that people have actually considered the software notable enough that they have written and published articles that focus upon it. Uncle G 23:55:50, 2005-08-22 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure this can be the sole criterion for determining the notability of software (and I don't think you're suggesting it should be). We have articles on a lot of traditional Unix system software, such as diff, dd, cmp, ls, mv, cp, even Unix system calls like mmap.  I'd be surprised to find a serious review of cp somewhere ("All those of you who thought 'cat foo > bar' was great, wait till you try 'cp foo bar'! A++++++"). --MarkSweep 04:12, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Prepare to be surprised. You might not find a review, in the magazine sense of the term, but you'll find that for those programs, people indeed have "written and published articles that focus upon them".  People write "Useless use of cat" articles about cat.  If you look at the references section for diff you'll find that there's an entire book on that command.  People have actually written teaching courses that focus on on cp, mv, and ls . And, yes, if you look at the references section of mmap you'll see that people have written programming guides that focus upon it, too. The fundamental point is that people, independent of the original author, have actually considered the software notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works of their own that focus upon it, be those works magazine reviews, teaching courses, books, programming guides, or other commentaries. So, for example, if someone had written a book on ExamDiff for O'Reilly Media, or a teaching course that specifically addressed it as a topic, then those would be arguments that could be used to sway editors' opinions towards keeping an article on the subject. Uncle G 14:41:25, 2005-08-23 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Fernando Rizo, no reason to leave a blank page here if we actually have information on the program somewhere. Doesn't need its own article though. Christopher Parham (talk) 04:36, 2005 August 23 (UTC)
 * Delete, nn. --fvw *  04:43, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable. What was the reason for creating Votes for deletion/ExamDiff (second nomination) when Votes for deletion/ExamDiff 2 already existed, except to avoid the appearance of someone else reopening a questionable VfD closure? -  brenneman (t) (c)  07:07, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. The article was deleted out of process by User:Radiant! shortly after you listed it.  I should have checked for your own Vfd and seen it, but I didn't and wasn't aware of its existence until today. --Tony Sidaway Talk  13:05, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, and if Tony had done a proper job at closing the original VFD in the first place, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Radiant_ >|< 07:53, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * I take exception to that false and damaging statement, one in a recent series of unjustified personal attacks. There were only four votes, it was borderline, and the article had been subject to a good rewrite.  There are two principles that supported the keep in this case: that a rewrite during VfD should be taken into account, and Deletion policy, If in doubt, don't delete!. --Tony Sidaway Talk  13:17, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * You know, if you make a mistake and somebody corrects it, it's not very nice to accuse and attack them. It is not very mature to take exception at criticism. Radiant_ >|< 14:37, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, should have been deleted the first time round. Proto t c 10:03, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Diff sounds sensible. - Mgm|(talk) 10:44, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete both because it is not notable, and because it is a process violation to have undeleted and relisted it here while discussion is still ongoing at WP:VfU, in my opinion. Nandesuka 12:47, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. The article was deleted in violation of process shortly after an earlier VfD nomination.  And there is nothing to stop an article listed on VFU being undeleted and listed on VfD, although I have made a personal undertaking to avoid doing so in the case of contested speedy deletions. --Tony Sidaway Talk  13:02, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * That's a ridiculous allegation. The article was deleted because the earlier VFD had consensus to delete. Read up on our deletion policy, would you? (and also, WP:CIV, WP:NPA, WP:FAITH) Radiant_ >|< 13:10, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * You have your facts wrong. I am the administrator who closed the first listing.  I closed it as no consensus. Please don't make blatantly false statements. --Tony Sidaway Talk  13:19, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Exactly. You wrongly closed it as "no consensus" when it obviously had a consensus to delete. You should follow consensus in the future rather than impose your own point of view. And it wouldn't hurt if you stopped attacking people who disagree with you - it's not very civil. Radiant_ >|< 13:53, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Tony Sidaway did not have to count the votes, as Wikipedia is not a Democracy. -- Alex Nisnevich (talk) 01:20, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Reading through this, it looks to me like you (Radiant) are the one making statements which I would consider to be attacks. Just an outside view. Rob Church Talk 03:03, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. NN. JFW | T@lk  12:48, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - not notable - probably advert - Tεx  τ  urε  14:14, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn. Dottore So 18:18, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete for reasons given above. Jonathunder 01:05, 2005 August 24 (UTC)
 * Comment. I think we can all agree that ExamDiff is no longer an advert, not after the rewrite. And Tony Sidaway explained about the program's popularity. While it will not make it to the Brittanica, it's certainly notable enough to have an article in an encyclopedia with nearly 700,000 pages! So what's your argument for why this should be deleted?? -- Alex Nisnevich (talk) 01:28, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree it's no longer an advert. It is a simple man page. Wikipedia is not a repository of man pages. Jonathunder 01:31, 2005 August 24 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... do you really think it's a man page? Well, while I was rewriting it I guess I was so determined for it to not be an advert that I made it go all the way to the other side and become a man page: advertisementneutral--X-man page. I think that while we shouldn't leave the article as is, we shouldn't delete it. I'm determined to make a decent article about ExamDiff, even if it's just a stub. What do you think? -- Alex Nisnevich (talk) 01:56, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The current page looks like an advert to me still, or part of an advert, the "Technical details" section often found in online ads for software. The presnece of a list of 'features" simply screams advertisement to me. But even if rewritten, I see no reason in the article or in anything said here to indicate that this utility is itself notable. The genreal class of diff utilities is of course notabel, and pershps this product could be mentioned in a "popular implementations" section in such an article. DES (talk) 02:56, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep --zippedmartin 01:40, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * If you search for this program on download.com, which is a major distributor of freeware programs such as this one, it shows that it has about 120k downloads. It has also been reviewed by the CNET editors on the same site. Absent a really good set of objective criteria for determining notability of software, I think that's probably enough to justify a keep. (vote pasted from aborted discussion at the other vfd) ESkog 03:42, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep per ESkog. -- DS1953 04:47, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete This is an ad, not an article. No indication of notability or widespread use is in the article. There are many "diff" utilities, and i see no reason why this particualr one should have an article, particualrly this article. DES (talk) 06:25, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete; if kept, redirect. This is an ad; although not quite speediable. Septentrionalis 15:16, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete In my opinion, this piece of software would not be in a list (short, medium or long) of the most notable software applications. Reads like an ad. -- RyanFreisling @ 21:10, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect. Having looked at the article, the related article diff, the previous VfD, the VfU, the curiously abandoned second VfD, and considered WP:N, WP:V, WP:NOT, and the comments here, I think the page at ExamDiff should be made a redirect to the article diff, in which a couple of sentences may be written about ExamDiff as an example of the diff utility. UninvitedCompany's comment is compelling: this is not something that meets the notability requirements of an encyclopedia to deserve a page of its own. The only reason I do not vote for the page itself to be deleted outright is that I think it serves a useful purpose as a redirect.— Encephalon |  ζ   02:28:30, 2005-08-26 (UTC)
 * After reading all the comments I'd say Redirect to Diff. Although i'm still wondering what will happen to ExamDiff Pro after deletion or redirect, as it is almost the same piece of software. And good luck for the closing admin. feydey 01:51, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Nonnotable software product. Wile E. Heresiarch 04:21, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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Jennifer Abbott

Jennifer Abbott (born January 8, 1965) is a Sundance and Genie award-winning film director, writer, editor, producer and sound designer who specializes in social justice and environmental documentaries.

Early life, family and education
Born in Montreal, Quebec, Abbott studied political science with a particular interest in radical political thought, women's studies and deep ecology at McGill University. She attended law school briefly before she quit to go to Emily Carr University of Art and Design where she studied for a few years before deciding to teach herself what she needed to know to become a filmmaker. Years later, she would teach at that same university.

Abbott is a mother of three children, including twin daughters born in 2006 featured in her film The Magnitude of All Things. She's an early adopter of renewable energy in transport and lifestyle, an organic farmer and a practitioner of Zen Buddhism studying to take precepts in the socially engaged Zen Peacemakers Order.

Abbott splits her time between Vancouver and the Gulf Islands on Canada's West Coast where she lived for many years on a renewable energy permaculture farm. She is the sister of journalist Heather Abbott, the great, great-granddaughter of the first Canadian born Prime Minister of Canada John Abbott and the great, great-grandniece of Maude Abbott, one of Canada's first women doctors who had to challenge Bishop's University's men-only policy to be permitted to attend medical school, graduating in 1894. She is the cousin of actors Christopher Plummer and Amanda Plummer and the great, great-granddaughter of R. S. Williams & Sons musical instrument makers.

Selected Filmmaking
In 2020, Abbott released the feature documentary The Magnitude of All Things about the emotional and psychological dimensions of the climate crisis which she wrote, directed, co-produced, edited, sound designed and narrated. The film, co-produced by the National Film Board of Canada, Cedar Island Films and Flying Eye Productions, was described by POV magazine "as poignant as it is provocative," and calls "to mind the lyrical and elegiac wonder of Terrence Malick." Tammy Bannister, Vancouver International Film Festival Programmer, called it "Perhaps the most visceral reasoned call to action for humanity since An Inconvenient Truth." The Magnitude of All Things won the Best Canadian Feature Award at the Planet in Focus Film Festival and will have its international premiere in Amsterdam at the world's largest documentary film festival IDFA (film festival) featured in the Frontlight program. The Magnitude of All Things features stories from the climate frontlines of Nunatsiavut in Northern Canada, the Amazon Rainforest, the Great Barrier Reef, the fires of New South Wales and among others, Greta Thunberg, Anote Tong, Patricia Gualinga and Roger Hallam.

In 2020, she also released The New Corporation: The Unfortunately Necessary Sequel (co-directed with Joel Bakan), a follow-up to their international hit The Corporation which was co-directed with Mark Achbar. It premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival and Forbes has called it "The Must-See Documentary of the Year."

Abbott first started working in media with Sara Diamond and The Women's Labour History Project. In 2004, Abbott's first experimental short and multimedia work Skinned about interracial relationships, made with writer David Odhiambo, was exhibited at NY's Museum of Modern Art.

Her first feature documentary, A Cow at My Table (1998), addresses the ongoing battle between animal advocates and the meat industry. Five years in production took Abbott across Canada, the United States, Australia, and New Zealand to meet with leading activists for the animal rights movement, as well as spokespeople from the meat industry. Filming landed her in jail in Saskatchewan after she crawled under a fence on slaughterhouse property. A Cow at My Table (1998) was one of the first feature documentaries to expose and criticize intensive animal agribusiness and won several international awards.

In 2000, Abbott collaborated with director Mark Achbar to create Two Brides and a Scalpel: Diary of a Lesbian Marriage (2000). The documentary is a low-budget video diary of the first legally married lesbian couple in Canada. The film received multiple festival invitations and was later broadcast on Canadian television networks.

Abbott continued her collaboration with Achbar in 2003 when they co-directed the critically acclaimed documentary film The Corporation (2003). The film critically explores modern day corporations through the evaluation of corporate behavior towards society and the world at large. Incorporating interviews with 40 corporate insiders and real-life case studies, Abbott hopes the film will ultimately inspire strategies for change. During the directing/editing process, Abbott went through over 800 pages of interview transcripts and 400 hours of footage. The first "rough cut" was 34 hours that she whittled down into a narrative structure, in both content and emotional arc, over the course of a year. It was important to her that the documentary did not force ideas onto the audience but rather asked questions open to interpretation. During the filming of the documentary, Bakan wrote the book The Corporation: The Pathological Pursuit of Profit and Power.

Abbott completed editing the film Let It Ride: The Craig Kelly Story a week before having twin daughters in 2006 when she took a short break from filmmaking.

Abbott became involved with the documentary I Am (2011) after director Tom Shadyac saw The Corporation and invited Abbott to work as the editor and executive producer on the film. The documentary explores Shadyac's personal journey after a 2007 bicycle accident caused him to develop post-concussion syndrome. Abbott had an immediate connection with the film's subject matter, beliefs and core philosophy. Abbott worked remotely on the film from her home in Canada.

In 2013, Abbott was commissioned by the Netherlands' Submarine Chanel to create an experimental short for a multimedia compilation based on a chapter from Steven Poole's book Unspeak and created the short film Brave New Minds constructed entirely from footage ripped from the internet.

In 2015, Abbott co-wrote and edited Sea Blind about the sea route opening along the northern pole due to climate change and melting ice as well as the detrimental environmental impacts of the shipping industry. She also co-wrote, co-directed and edited Us and Them which features 4 homeless people living with addictions over the course of ten years.

A Cow at My Table (1998)

 * Gold Special Jury Award, WorldFest Houston 99, A Cow at My Table
 * Best Documentary, New Jersey International Film Festival 99, A Cow at My Table
 * Best Documentary, Narrowsburg International Film Festival, NY 99, A Cow at My Table
 * 1st PRIZE, Video Awards Promoting Respect for All Life, Latham Foundation, CA 00
 * Media Commendation Award, Canadian Federation of Humane Societies, 99, A Cow at My Table
 * Silver Certificate, Prix Leonardo International Festival of Film & TV, Italy 99, A Cow at My Table

The Corporation (2003)
 Unspeak: Brave New Minds  (2013)
 * Audience Award, World Cinema, Documentary, Sundance Film Festival
 * Insight Award for Excellence, National Association of Film and Digital Media Artists, USA
 * Best Documentary, The Genie Awards, 2005
 * Genesis Award for Outstanding Documentary Film, United States Humane Society
 * Audience Award for Best Feature Length Film, Ecocinema International Film Festival, Rhodes
 * Best Feature Documentary, Environmental Media Association Awards
 * Reel Room Audience Award for Best Documentary, Sydney Film Festival
 * Joris Ivens Special Jury Award, International Documentary Festival, Amsterdam
 * NFB Best Documentary Award, Calgary International Film Festival
 * Best Feature Length Documentary, Ecocinema International Film Festival, Rhodes
 * Top Ten Films of the Year, Toronto International Film Festival Group
 * Best Documentary Program or Series - History/Biography/Social/Political, Leo Award
 * Best Direction in a Documentary Program or Series, Leo Award
 * Best Picture Editing in a Documentary Program or Series, Leo Award
 * Best Documentary (1st runner-up), Seattle International Film Festival
 * Special Jury Mention, Montreal New Film And Video Festival
 * Audience Award, Philadelphia International Film Festival
 * Audience Award, Vancouver International Film Festival
 * Audience Award, Thessaloniki Documentary Film Festival
 * Audience Award, FIC Brasilia International Film Festival
 * Audience Award (1st runner-up), Calgary International Film Festival
 * Audience Award (1st runner-up), Toronto International Film Festival

 * Nominee: Prix Europa

I Am (2011)
 The New Corporation: The Unfortunately Necessary Sequel   (2020)
 * Documentary Award - Catholics in Media Associates (CIMA) - 2012

 * Nominee: Best Canadian Feature Film, Toronto International Film Festival

 The Magnitude of All Things (2020)

 * Best Canadian Documentary, Planet in Focus Film Festival
 * Nominee: Best Picture Editing in Documentary, Directors Guild of Canada

Director

 * Skinned (1993)
 * A Cow at My Table (1998)
 * The Corporation (2003)
 * Unspeak: Brave New Minds (2013)
 * Us and Them (2015)
 * The New Corporation: The Unfortunately Necessary Sequel (2020)
 * The Magnitude of All Things (2020)

Writer

 * Skinned (1993)
 * Us and Them (2015)
 * Sea Blind (2015)
 * The Magnitude of All Things (2020)

Editor
Sound Design
 * Skinned (1993)
 * A Cow at My Table (1998)
 * Two Brides and a Scalpel: Diary of a Lesbian Marriage (2000)
 * The Corporation (2003)
 * Let It Ride (2006)
 * I Am (2011)
 * Unspeak: Brave New Minds (2013)
 * Sea Blind (2015)
 * Us and Them (2015)
 * The Magnitude of All Things (2020)

 * Skinned (1993)
 * Unspeak: Brave New Minds (2013)
 * Sea Blind (2015)
 * The Magnitude of All Things (2020)

Producer

 * A Cow at My Table (1998)
 * I Am (2011)
 * The Magnitude of All Things (2020)

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St Paul's Church, Shadwell

St Paul's Church, Shadwell, is a Grade II* listed Church of England church, located between The Highway and Shadwell Basin, on the edge of Wapping, in the East End of London, England. The church has had varying fortunes over many centuries, and is now very active, having been supported recently by Holy Trinity Brompton Church.

History
The old parish church, traditionally known as the Church of Sea Captains, was built in 1656, and was principally financed by Thomas Neale. It is believed that 75 sea captains are buried at the Church. Matthew Mead was minister of the chapel from 1658 until 1662, when he was replaced after the Restoration for being too non-conformist. During the Great Plague of London it was one of five sites in the parish of Stepney used as plague pits. It was rebuilt in 1669 as the Parish Church of Shadwell, and by the Shadwell Church Act 1670 (22 Cha. 2. c. 14), St Paul's Shadwell became a separate parish from St Dunstan's, Stepney, where it had previously been a hamlet. The church was named after St Paul's Cathedral, and became the first parish created from St Dunstan's, Stepney since Whitechapel in 1338. John Wesley was a preacher at St Paul's. Captain James Cook worshipped there, as did Jacob Phillip, the father of Captain Arthur Phillip, the first Governor of New South Wales. Cook's eldest son was baptised at St Paul's Church in 1763. Also baptised there were William Henry Perkin, the chemist who discovered the first aniline dye, and Jane Randolph, mother of Thomas Jefferson. The 1669 church was built in brick, and measured 87 ft by 63 ft.

The church was demolished in 1817 and the present building, a Waterloo church designed by John Walters, was erected in 1821. It is the only building built by John Walters that still survives. In the 1840s, half of the churchyard land was bought by the London Dock Company in a compulsory purchase order, in order to expand Shadwell Basin.

After the churchyard closed to burials, it was laid out as a garden by Fanny Wilkinson on behalf of the Metropolitan Public Gardens Association in 1886. The design included a partially flagged area in front for recreation. Some London plane trees survive from the original design.

In 1950, the building became a Grade II* listed building.

Present
In January 2005, a team from the congregation of Holy Trinity Brompton moved to Shadwell to minister with the existing members of St. Paul's in serving the local area. This follows a number of similar church plants from Holy Trinity Brompton to declining churches around London with the support of the Bishop of London. The Rev Ric Thorpe was licensed as the new Priest-in-Charge on 20 January 2005 with The Rev Jez Barnes assisting him as the associate pastor. Thorpe was appointed Rector in 2010, and left in 2015 to become the Bishop of Islington.

St Paul's stands in the charismatic and evangelical Anglican traditions.

Appearance in literature
The church is a pivotal location in James Lovegrove's Sherlock Holmes and the Shadwell Shadows.

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Talk:Rock Steady Crew

NPOV?
This article definately seems to be unencyclopediac. However, I'm curious if anybody else percieves this article as being in violation of WP:NPOV? It feels like a weird situation for that, but I can't think of what else applies to things like "featured what may have been the most impressive lineup of legendary hip hop luminaries," and "Since Tommy Boy record's New Music Seminar was in town people from all over the WORLD were there.Including Afrika Bambaataa,KRS One, King Sun ect,ect the line of MC's who didn't get on are Pioneers and Legends!" Mike the stingray (talk) 16:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Yes, you are right - and it gets worse. I have added {POV}, {Wiki} and {Press release} tags - fancruft in excelsias.

 * Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:32, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Removed text
"Crazy Legs, Fabel, Mr. Wiggles, Mr. Freeze, Q-Unique, Easy Roc, Sab, Fever One, Floor Rock, Tony Touch, Alex Aquino, Heps Fury, Kool Ski, Quiet Riot, Armani, Artson, Bobbito Garcia, Suga Pop, Bonz Malone, Ynot, Charlie Rock, DV One, Renegade, DJ Eclipse, Servin' Ervin, Evil Dee, Sweepy, Venum, Jeromeskee, Jeskilz, Teknyc, Flea Rock, Ruckus, Masami, Lea Maxwell, Style Len, Desmond, Luigi, Mega, T-Rock,Smerk, DJ Presto On, Tuff Tim Twis, Mari Koda, Dj JS1, Eunico, Shonnie. ..." as it's not encyclopaedic. RasputinAXP  talk  *  contribs  19:52, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

 * please make a page for Bonz Malone!

 * No, please do not - if the present article is anything to go by!

 * Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:32, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

List of members
I would bet that users have added names that have never been part of Rock Steady Crew. References need to be added for as many as possible, especially those not mentioned in the History. Then the rest can be removed. Entertheinferno 22:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I broke down RSC members into Pre-1984 Hiatus and Post-1991 Revival, listing only members from the official sites of Rock Steady Crew and Mr. Wiggles.

Here are the remaining members that I removed from the article:
 * Bobbito Garcia - probably an "unofficial" member of RSC
 * no mention on his wikipedia article
 * lists him as a member, but does not look like a reliable article
 * is an actual interview with Bobbito, stating he is a member of Rock Steady
 * says he has danced with Rock Steady (not clear whether they mean he is an actual member or not)

 * Abstrak
 * Doze
 * Mad Child (of Swollen Members) - probably an "unofficial" member of RSC
 * His wikipedia article mentions his initiation into RSC at the 1996 B-Boy Summit
 * Needs a reference outside of Wikipedia

Entertheinferno 02:04, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Eunico
 * Fast Feet
 * Pepito
 * DJ P
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Vandalism
This page has been vandalized so I reverted to the latest, non-vandalised version. 88.159.236.245 (talk) 17:18, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

removing POV tag with no active discussion per Template:POV
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A Cow at My Table

A Cow at My Table is a 1998 documentary film examining Western attitudes towards farm animals and meat.

It covers the conflict between animal rights advocates and the meat industry, and their respective attempts to influence consumers. It was directed, shot, and edited by Jennifer Abbott, who spent five years travelling across Canada, the United States, Australia and New Zealand to interview representatives on all sides. The film intercuts these interviews with images of farm animals and industrial farming operations. It explores what is sometimes popularly called factory farming.

The filming of A Cow at My Table drew early criticism from the Canadian meat industry, with both the Ontario Chicken Marketing Board and the Dairy Farmers of Ontario publishing articles warning of Abbott's actions.

Music for the film was performed by Oh Susanna.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/"casual complex"

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The result of the debate was DELETE. Paul August ☎ 19:02, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

"casual complex"
Vain, nn. Erwin Walsh completing VfD - nominator gave no reason. However, starts "Little known progressive rock band" WCFrancis 21:07, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails WP:MUSIC — Lomn | Talk 21:55:18, 2005-08-22 (UTC)
 * Delete; the article itself says the band is "little known". Loganberry (Talk) 23:14, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete As yet little known. Alf 01:20, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn band vanity. -- Etacar11   02:22, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Not bad. I abstain at this time. --WCFrancis 21:13, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as promotional. Also does not meet guidelines for Musician notability. (didn't take long to decide, did it?) --WCFrancis 21:16, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete.   Paul Klenk 21:12, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Avionics

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This material is very helpful, my thanks to the authors. But I have a further need. Can the experts please edit to include an explanation of the signal interconnection between the various components in modern a/c, particularly autopilot, fms, transponder, gps source and the displays. Can they talk to each other ? Reg nim 19:55, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes, Avionics are usually interconnected in aircraft-specific avionic-networks and routinely communicate with each other using very strictly standardized data buses and protocols, such as for example ARINC.

A further question. We know that a/c fly by wire. The Concorde had an analogue signal modifier to give good flight handling. From inception Airbus had flight envelope limitation "to stop the pilot making a mistake, although the pilot can turn it off". Comment : the Indian crash was blamed on pilot error. Presumedly all modern passenger a/c have a digital computer between the pilot and the control surfaces. The issue is can the pilot switch all the digital systems off, or to fly must control still pass through a computer ? In anticipation, thanks.

 * Fly-by-wire isn't a protection against pilot error necessarily; in most passenger aircraft, it is the only way to control the surfaces because they are hydraulic or electronic rather than directly rigged to the pilot controls. The pilots can still make mistakes, and the fly-by-wire system will faithfully transmit those mistakes to the control surfaces.  The digital computer is only there to translate the pilots' desires into control surface movement. —Cleared as filed. 00:31, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

FWIW, the above paragraph is correct, protection from pilot error can be considered to be an optional (but more and more common) software asset, which is most often referred to as "flight envelope protection", which is supposed to ensure that the aircraft's technical/structural limits are not exceeded during certain phases of flight or aircraft configurations (so called flight regimes). However, on many modern FBW aircraft this has indeed become a more and more mandatory facility which can -at least to a certain degree- indeed be disabled to maneuver the aircraft even outside of said flight regimes, i.e. in order to implement an emergency maneuver such as a rapid change in altitude or heading (respectively bank).

I have done a 'little' revamp of this page. There are lots of red areas caused by me now needing to write sections on airborne comms and nav etc etc. There are tonnes and tonnes of article out there on different aspects of avionics, but I thought it would be good to start bringing them under one umbrella!!

If folks think that this is too radical a change or I have gone in the wrong direction then please feel free to tell me. (I am sure you won't hold back). Being an engineer I can't spell, grammar or write for toffee... so please can this be parse edited at the very least.

I hope that this is okay Apacheeng lead 11:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I should also say, that this is the building block upon which to grow the subject area. It is very mucha work in progress!! Apacheeng lead 11:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

This article strikes me as far too technical and skewed to latest-and-greatest avionics. For example, the "Monitoring" section points to the "Glass Cockpit" article as the main section. Nowhere is there a general discussion of avionics, starting with "In a traditional (pre-computerized) airplane, you have six main instruments: Airspeed Indicator, Attitude Indicator, Altimeter, the Turn and Slip Indicator, the Heading Indicator, and the Vertical Speed Indicator. You also will typically have some navigation instruments, such as VORs or ADFs." It seems to me that this article would be better written as the history of avionics, covering the evolution of instruments over time, and from there pointing to all the specific articles. 1 Oct 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edmund Blackadder (talk • contribs) 17:50, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

This article needs its refences marked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.185.144.10 (talk) 10:52, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Police and Air Ambulances
Just one comment: I would suggest that this section should mention that the priveledges of the pilot's licence will be the ultimate limiting factor as to whether the aircraft can operate in the conditions that could make these additional devices that allow the helicopter to fly in difficult conditions useable - however good these devices are. Longfinal (talk) 17:32, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Paid COI Contributions
I have a paid COI with Honeywell. I'd like to suggest changes to the Avionics article that include expanding on the glass cockpit, general word-smithing, adding citations, some information about auto-pilot and so on. You can see the suggested edits in a diff here with the revised here. King4057 (talk) 22:33, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Looking better now I think. Thanks for the contribution. Woz2 (talk) 01:00, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

How big part of total cost is avionics?
Article says 20% of total cost of a fighter is avionics. Believable. Text below picture of a fighter says 80% of cost is avionics which is hard to believe. Also, for a helicopter, it is hard to believe that 60% of total cost is avionics. Someone is pulling your leg. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.37.171.204 (talk) 21:12, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Where 8.33 spacing is used..
you wrote 'in Europe'. But there are non-european countries also inside the Eurocontrol - controlled area: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/European_Organization_for_the_Safety_of_Air_Navigation_members.svg

and finally: so many US-related peoples don't make a shit about what it is - geographically the continent Europe ? (that's from the Ural up to island, from Spitzbergen to Gribraltar.. - the European Union ? (there aren't some of the here present most important countries on this planet) what else?

By the way: Australia and other countries are struggling wether or not to also change the spacing.. 213.230.57.2 (talk) 14:28, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I would like to propose moving the content on Astrionics into this article, Avionics.

NASA refers to the systems on the Space Launch System as "Avionics" (https://www.nasa.gov/exploration/systems/sls/avionics.html). The term "Astrionics" has limited use as far as I can tell, so I believe it would be better to included it as a quick blurb ("Avionics systems on spacecraft are sometimes called Astronics") rather than its own article. DeklinCaban (talk) 19:40, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Assuming that the information at Avionics would also come over, at least in abbreviated form. Joyous! | Talk 01:27, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support merge:
 * Yes, that was my intent for the Astrionics content to be ported over - sorry if it wasn't clear. DeklinCaban (talk) 05:04, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * After some months with no opposition, I think you're clear to proceed with a merge. Joyous! | Talk 23:23, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The resulting article might be too long. Geysirhead (talk) 13:30, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

 * Oppose merge:;
 * As Joyous alludes to, and as Geysirhead more specifically describes, the combined page would be longer than might be ideal. It does seem that Avionics in spacecraft is a topic distinct from the general avionics page; the current structure works for readers, in my opinion, so I see no need for a change. Klbrain (talk) 21:37, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

 * In my oppinion it's better to have avionics and astrionics as a distinct topics. Also I had just done the Atrionics in Spanish Eloypripan (talk) 09:36, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Please define ATM.
I'm pretty sure you don't mean Automatic Teller Machine.

Burressd (talk) 11:40, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Noting that the abbreviation was added by in Avionics, ATM Efficiencies – Improving the air traffic management (ATM) process. Klbrain (talk) 10:52, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Does avionics include electrical power supply/generation
Does avionics include electrical power supply/generation (as implied by aircraft) ? How do different types of aircraft power their avionics ? What voltage AC? do most avionics modules require ? - Rod57 (talk) 17:10, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

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User:Metalking~enwiki

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James C. Miller III

James Clifford Miller III (born June 25, 1942, in Atlanta, Georgia) is an American economist and former government official who served as chairman of the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) between 1981 and 1985 and as Budget Director for President Ronald Reagan between 1985 and 1988. Miller was the first member of the FTC with a background as a career economist, as opposed to a legal background as is common.

He also ran for United States Senate in Virginia, losing the Republican nomination at the convention to Oliver North in 1994 and losing the nomination in the primary to John Warner in 1996.

Early years and education
Miller was born in Atlanta and grew up in Conyers, Georgia. He earned a BBA in economics from the University of Georgia in 1964 and a PhD in economics from the University of Virginia in 1969.

Between 1977 and 1981, Miller was a resident scholar at the Center for the Study of Government Regulation at the American Enterprise Institute. From 1978 to 1981, he served as co-director of the center.

Public service
Miller was the first administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (April - October 1981) and the executive director of Vice President George H. W. Bush's Presidential Task Force on Regulatory Relief. From 1981 to 1985, he chaired the Federal Trade Commission. From October 1985 to October 1988, Miller was director of the United States Office of Management and Budget.

He is a distinguished fellow at the Center for Study of Public Choice at George Mason University. He is also a senior fellow of the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.

Private sector
He has been counselor to and a board member of the former Citizens for a Sound Economy (1988–2002), a member of the boards of the Tax Foundation and the Progress and Freedom Foundation, and a member of the board of visitors of George Mason University and the U.S. Air Force Academy. In addition, Miller has been a director of LECG Economics-Finance, a member of the board of Independence Air, a member of the board of Washington Mutual Investors Fund, a member of the board of the Tax-Exempt Fund of Maryland, a member of the board of the Tax-Exempt Fund of Virginia, a member of the board of the J.P. Morgan Value Opportunities Fund, a member of the board of Clean Energy, a consultant to Freddie Mac, and chairman of the board of Economic Impact Analysts, Inc. (family-held consulting firm).

From 2003 to 2006, Miller was chairman (or chairman emeritus) of the Capital Analysis Group (CapAnalysis), a division of the international law firm Howrey LLP. He was a member of the Board of Governors of the United States Postal Service (2003–2012), where he was elected chairman in 2005, 2006, and 2007.

On November 9, 2009, it was announced that Miller was picked by the then Premier of the Cayman Islands William McKeeva Bush to lead an independent task force to examine new revenue options for the Cayman Islands Government. The Cayman Islands has no direct taxation although that may change as a result of an agreement with the United Kingdom Foreign and Commonwealth Office. The UK FCO allowed the Cayman Islands Government to borrow additional funds to meet capital and operational expenses as long as the Government agreed to look at ways in which to increase and stabilize its revenue base—direct taxation being the preferred solution.

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She Rides Wild Horses

She Rides Wild Horses is the twenty-third studio album by American country music singer Kenny Rogers. It was released in 1999 on his own Dreamcatcher Records label. The album includes the singles "The Greatest," "Slow Dance More" and "Buy Me a Rose," which all charted on the Billboard country singles charts, giving Rogers' best success on that chart since 1991.

Singles
"The Greatest," his first release on his own label, brought him to the country charts for the first time in nearly eight years, spending twenty weeks on the Hot Country Singles & Tracks (now Hot Country Songs) charts and peaking at 26.

"Slow Dance More" was the album's second single released, peaking at number 67 on the same chart, followed by "Buy Me a Rose," with backing vocals from Alison Krauss and Billy Dean which went to number one on the country charts and number 40 on the Billboard Hot 100, giving Rogers his first number one since 1987, and the last number one of his career. The song also made Rogers, who was 61 at the time, the oldest country artist to achieve a number one hit.

Critical reception
Giving it three stars out of five, Stephen Thomas Erlewine of Allmusic considered it a stronger album than Rogers' 1997 album Across My Heart and a return to his 1980s sound, but said that some of the song selection was "uneven."

Personnel
As listed in liner notes.

 * Kenny Rogers – lead vocals
 * Bobby Ogdin – keyboards
 * Steve Mandile – all guitars (1, 2, 4-9), electric guitar (10)
 * Richard Bailey – banjo (1)
 * Russ Pahl – steel guitar (1)
 * Bruce Bouton – steel guitar (2, 4)
 * Steve Gibson – all guitars (3)
 * Mark Selby – rhythm guitar (10)
 * Biff Watson – acoustic guitar (10)
 * Steve Glassmeyer – mandolin (10)
 * Spencer Campbell – bass
 * Eddie Bayers – drums
 * Bobby Taylor – English horn and oboe (4, 5)
 * Jonathan Yudkin – fiddle (1), violin (3)
 * Michael Black – backing vocals (1, 3, 5)
 * Thom Flora – backing vocals (1, 10)
 * Billy Dean – backing vocals (2)
 * Alison Krauss – backing vocals (2, 4)
 * Tammy Fry – harmony vocals (3, 5, 9)
 * Yvonne Hodges – backing vocals (5)
 * Carolyn Dawn Johnson – harmony vocals (6)
 * Billy Montana – backing vocals (7)
 * Jack Sundrud – backing vocals (7)
 * Strings on Tracks 2-9 performed by The Nashville String Machine; Carl Gorodetzky, concertmaster. Arranged and conducted by Bergen White.

Production

 * Tracks 1-4 produced by Kenny Rogers; Tracks 5-10 produced by Brent Maher and Jim McKell for Maher Productions.
 * Executive producer – Jim Mazza
 * Recorded and mixed by Brent Maher and Jim McKell
 * Assistant engineers – Jason Breckling, Otto D'Agnolo, Thomas Johnson, Eric Katte, Mark Niemiec, Gary Paczosa, Paul Skaife and Jamison Weddle.
 * Recorded and mixed at Creative Recording, Inc. (Nashville, TN).
 * Editing – Eric Conn, Frank Green, Carlos Grier and Mills Logan.
 * Mastered by Denny Purcell and Jonathan Russell at Georgetown Masters (Nashville, TN).
 * Art direction – P. David Elezear and Nick Long
 * Photography – Jim "Señor" McGuire
 * Management – Ken Kragen and Jim Mazza
 * Booking – Greg Oswald at William Morris Agency

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emperor Benedict XVI

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The result of the debate was DELETE. Paul August ☎ 19:03, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

Emperor Benedict XVI
NN. Google produces 20 hits. Erwin Walsh

 * Keep. See Satire.   ‡   Jarlaxle   20:01, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Should darthbenedict.ytmnd.com this be added as an external link to the article?   ‡   Jarlaxle   20:08, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, appears to be a hoax (how could a comic titled "Emperor Benedict XVI" have started in November 2004 if Benedict was only elected in April 2005?) -- Kirill Lokshin 20:35, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. A non-notable character who appears in a non-notable web comic that ran for less than a year before shutting down. Sdedeo 20:36, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per Kirill Lokshin. --Scimitar parley 20:50, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per Kirill Lokshin. -- DS1953 22:40, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per Sdedeo. JDoorjam 23:41, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Who wrote this? Luke 'Paisley' Skywalker? (well I suppose that would make the - 'I am you Father' bit really interesting)--Doc (?) 00:34, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, Hoax - Aranda56 20:33ET, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn at best. -- Etacar11   02:25, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Ha ha. Banes 08:36, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete (don't forget the image) as it appears to be hoaxy and fail Webcomic inclusion guidelines. I wonder if the author of this article or the webcomic was involved in the vandalism of the Pope Benedict XVI article. - Mgm|(talk) 10:47, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable and wrong (how can the opposite of Benedict XVI be cruel and stupid?) — J I P | Talk 10:58, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Being wrong is IIRC no grounds for deletion. But there are enough reasons left to Delete this. --DrTorstenHenning 17:53, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Dottore So 18:19, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
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West Coast Resurrection

West Coast Resurrection is an independently released compilation album by American rapper The Game. It was released on March 29, 2005, via Get Low Recordz. It was produced by JT the Bigga Figga, Sean T, and G-Man Stan.

The album was more successful than his previous independent release, Untold Story, peaking at #53 on the Billboard 200, #24 on the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums, #2 on the Independent Albums, and #53 on the Billboard Comprehensive Albums charts.

Critical reception
Entertainment Weekly praised "Promised Land," writing: "Built on an exquisitely soulful boom-bap beat, the song is an engaging sneak peek at an MC honing his nascent rhyme skills." Vibe called the album "a gritty look back at a rapper's first grasp at stardom."

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European sprat

The European sprat (Sprattus sprattus), also known as brisling, brisling sardine, bristling, garvie, garvock, Russian sardine, russlet, skipper or whitebait, is a species of small marine fish in the herring family Clupeidae. Found in European, West Asian and North African waters, it has silver grey scales and white-grey flesh. Specific seas in which the species occurs include the Irish Sea, Black Sea, Baltic Sea and Sea of the Hebrides. The fish is the subject of fisheries, particularly in Scandinavia, and is made into fish meal, as well as being used for human consumption. When used for food it can be canned, salted, breaded, fried, boiled, grilled, baked, deep fried, marinated, broiled, and smoked.

Taxonomy
This fish was first described by Carl Linnaeus in 1758 in the 10th edition of Systema Naturae. He called it Clupea sprattus, but it was later transferred to the genus Sprattus. Three subspecies are recognised; S. sprattus balticus from the Baltic Sea; S. sprattus phalericus from the Mediterranean, Adriatic and Black Seas and S. sprattus sprattus from the eastern Atlantic.

Description
The European sprat is a small fish growing to a maximum length of 16 cm, but more often in the 8 to 12 cm range. It is fairly elongate and somewhat laterally compressed, with a keel-like row of sharp scales along the belly. The lower jaw projects slightly, there are seldom any vomerine teeth on the roof of the mouth and the hind edge of the gill covers is smoothly rounded, without any fleshy protuberances. The dorsal fin has no spines and 13 to 21 soft rays while the anal fin has no spines and 12 to 23 soft rays. The origin of the pelvic fins, which have seven (occasionally eight) soft rays, are immediately below or in front of the origin of the dorsal fin. This fish has a bluish or greenish back and silvery flanks, with no dark spotting.

Distribution
The European sprat is native to the northeastern Atlantic Ocean. Its range includes the Baltic Sea, the North Sea, southern Norway and Sweden, round the coasts of the British Isles, the Iberian Peninsula, Morocco, the Mediterranean Sea, the Adriatic Sea and the Black Sea. It occurs both in open water well away from the coast and in bays and estuaries, being able to tolerate salinities as low as 4 parts per thousand. It is a schooling fish and migrates between its winter feeding grounds and its summer breeding grounds. It also makes vertical migrations, rising to near the surface at night to feed.

Ecology
Adult sprats feed on copepods such as Calanus, Pseudocalanus and Temora while juveniles feed on the eggs and larvae of these crustaceans, and on diatoms. Breeding takes place at any time of year but peaks between December and April in the Mediterranean and between April and August in the Baltic and northeastern Atlantic. Spawning may take place in inshore waters or up to 100 km off the coast.

This fish is sometimes parasitised by a copepod, the sprat eye-maggot (Lernaeenicus sprattae) which burrows into its eye and causes loss of visual acuity or even blindness. Heavy infestations can kill the fish.

Uses
There are substantial fisheries for this fish in various parts of its range. It is mostly caught by trawling and is made into fish meal, canned, smoked, and eaten fresh; cooking methods include pan-frying and broiling. It is used for feeding mink and juveniles are used for fish bait. Young sprats are commonly known as brisling. Canned sprats (usually smoked) are available in many north European countries, including the Baltic states, Scandinavia, Ireland, Germany, Poland and Russia. The fish has about 10.5% fat in its flesh and is a rich source of vitamins and minerals.

Status
This fish has large swings in its population size, particularly in the Mediterranean Sea and Black Sea. These may in part be due to the increasing dominance of the comb jelly Mnemiopsis leidyi which in turn may be related to increases in sea temperature. Landings by commercial fisheries in the Mediterranean and Black Seas fell in the 1990s but recovered in the next decade. The population size and trend of this fish is unknown and the International Union for Conservation of Nature is unable to assess its conservation status, listing it as "Data deficient".

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User:Quicksandish

Hi, I'm Quicksandish. I don't really feel like starting a bio page; I'm just doing this so I'm no longer that ugly shade of red. Feel free to leave comments.

Right now I'm interested in articles on Malaysia. No reason in particular. I'm currently trying to merge I have successfully merged Gomantong cave and Gomantong Cave into a new article, Gomantong Caves. My first new article! Now I just need a picture for it. Any assistance with this or other stuff would of course be greatly appreciated. :)

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Mo-Sai

Mo-Sai is a method of producing precast concrete cladding panels. It was patented by John Joseph Earley in 1940. The Mo-Sai institute later refined Earley's method and became the leader in exposed aggregate concrete. The Mo-Sai Institute, an organization of precast concrete manufacturers, adhered to the Mo-Sai method of producing the exposed aggregate precast concrete panels. A pivotal development in this technique occurred in 1938, when the administration buildings at the David Taylor Model Basin were built with panels used as permanent forms for cast-in-place walls. This was the first use of the Mo-Sai manufacturing technique produced in collaboration with the Dextrone Company of New Haven, Connecticut. Working from this background, the Dextone Company refined and obtained patents and copyrights in 1940 for the methods under which the Mo-Sai Associates, later known as Mo-Sai Institute Inc. The Mo-Sai Institute grew to include a number of licensed manufacturing firms throughout the United States.

Buildings featuring Mo-Sai panels include the Columbine Building in Colorado Springs (1960), Prudential Building in Toronto, Ontario, Canada (1960), Denver Hilton Hotel (now the Sheraton Denver) in Denver, Colorado (1960), Los Angeles Temple (1956), Equitable Center in Portland, Oregon (1964), the Hartford National Bank and Trust Hartford, CT (1967) and the PanAm Building in New York City (1962).

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Lotus Magellan

Lotus Magellan is an MS-DOS desktop search package, conceived and developed by Bill Gross and released in 1989 by Lotus Development Corporation, most famous for Lotus 1-2-3. Lotus sold 500,000 copies of Magellan.

Operation
Running under MS-DOS, Magellan would scan the directories and files on a drive or floppy diskettes and create a master index. It was aware of all the various current formats and provided the ability to view files without launching the original applications that created them. Its most powerful feature was fuzzy searching, that connected files by relative frequency of keywords, allowing the user to organize related data no matter where or in what format it existed on the user's computer.

Given this "semantic view" of the user's file system, Magellan not only exposed "hidden meaning" from disparate data, but also facilitated the actual movement of files and directories into a better physical organization. Advertisements that ran for Magellan at the time promised to "Get all your ducks in a row" and showed a picture of a line of obedient rubber ducks.

Fate
Magellan was one of several significant developments from Lotus Software (i.e. "1-2-3", "Notes" and office software for the Apple Macintosh) that, despite significant usefulness and market share, failed to keep the company afloat. Lotus was acquired by IBM in 1995. The old MS-DOS Lotus software Magellan, Lotus Agenda, HAL, and Lotus Manuscript have since been released as freeware.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Winning percentage

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The result of the debate was KEEP. -Splash 06:11, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Winning percentage
Irrelevant, definition, "winning percentage" highly ambiguous. Erwin Walsh

 * Keep, I've expanded this article somewhat. Christopher Parham (talk) 20:55, 2005 August 22 (UTC)
 * Keep, a very common sports statistic and a stub that has room for expansion with its use and prominence in various sports. The term may be ambigious, but take that up with the people who invented it since that's what the term is. Lord Bob 20:57, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, common terms that has lots of potential to improve/expand.--Hurricane111 21:32, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: I fixed the incorrect forumla from [WINS / (WINS - LOSSES)] to [WINS / (WINS + LOSSES)], the correct way of computing winning pct (which, unlike the original entry, will never result in a negative number or a number greater than 1, including infinity). - Che Nuevara, the Democratic Revolutionary 21:59, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, Key Baseball term - User:Aranda56 20:33ET, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep why not, short but clear article. Alf 01:23, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep short, but valid stub. - Mgm|(talk) 10:49, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Benjamín Urrutia

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The result of the debate was kept. mikka (t) 23:32, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Benjamín Urrutia
This article should be deleted, because it doesn't even explain well why Urrutia is important or which academic titles he holds or where he studied. It also doesn't give any details about his life. This person's not even well-known in Ecuador, like some politicians who are not even mentioned on Wikipedia. The article should at least be expanded and explain why this person is important. 2004-12-29T22:45Z 20:02, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedily Keep. Article quality is not a sufficient reason for deletion. --goethean ॐ 20:08, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It is not article quality that is questioned; it is person's notability, which is not demonstrated. mikka (t) 18:19, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Hey, it's not just the quality. The whole content is useless. There are lots of Ecuadorian scholars out there who are not even mentioned on Wikipedia, and Urrutia, he's not even famous. About 594 Google results. That's nothing. The reason I put this article on the deletion list is not just because of the quality. It's also the content. The quality just shows how content-less this article is. 2004-12-29T22:45Z 20:10, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, but not speedily. There's enough published work for me to think he's at least borderline notable. Additionally, this encyclopedia records people who are notable, not neccessarily famous; it's a key distinction. --Scimitar parley 16:36, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Abstain. I've done a bit more research, and listened to Mikka- I'm not convinced this guy is notable anymore.--Scimitar parley 19:33, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. published author => notable enough. --DrTorstenHenning 17:22, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * not decided yet. Smacks like a hoax or thoroughly vandalized. Guys, is your vote based on knowledge or on your opinion on the article superficial appearance? mikka (t) 18:16, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * For example, you say: "Published author". "Interview with Master Yoda" does it really look like a work of Biblical scholar? "Slanted Glory" (variant: "Slanted Gloria") - no google hits. Quick google search shows the name as a translator, not as a notable scholar. A list of journal articles is not basis for notability. mikka (t) 18:12, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I have a book on my dresser, The Logia of Yeshua, co-authored by Benjamin Urrutia. The "Interview with Yoda" looks like the result of a mistake made by an editor based on this website (which seems to show that Benjamin Urrutia is still writing — in the review of The Lost Religion of Jesus on that page, he calls Jesus "Yeshua". --goethean ॐ 18:26, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * When you search for "Benjamín Urrutia" in Spanish, Google shows only about 13 results. 2004-12-29T22:45Z 18:30, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * When you search Google Ecuador or restrict the search to Ecuador, it shows zero (0) results 2004-12-29T22:45Z 18:32, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Besides, we don't know who this guy is. We just have a list of publications. Anyone can publish books. That's irrelevant. We don't know what he did in Ecuador. We don't know where he studied. We don't know which university he attended. We know nothing, at least from the article. 2004-12-29T22:45Z 18:41, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Just because he studied at Brigham Young University, that doesn't make him more relevant. There are a lot of Ecuadorian intellectuals who've studied in the U.S. This article here is irrelevant. There are lots of people who have published books about Jesus or theology or Christianity. 2004-12-29T22:45Z 18:45, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * "Benjamin Urrutia is a teacher, linguist, and scholar who has been writing and publishing about the Bible for a quarter of a century. He was born in Guayaquil, Ecuador, and educated at Brigham Young University. His numerous articles on biblical subjects have appeared in American Anthropologist, Dialogue, Egyptological Studies, and Mythlore, among others. Benjamin Urrutia lives in Chicago." (from 'About the translators' p. 67) --goethean ॐ 18:51, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, yeah, I saw that one before, but that doesn't show that he's an important person.2004-12-29T22:45Z 18:55, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Mythlore: Mythlore is a peer-reviewed journal that focuses on the works of J.R.R. Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, Charles Williams, and the genres of myth and fantasy. Beginning in 2005 Mythlore  will appear once per year as a double issue in late Summer or early Fall.  2004-12-29T22:45Z 18:59, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Latter-day Science Fiction is a collection of parables. From what I see, Urrutia is a Mormon story teller. 2004-12-29T22:45Z 19:06, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * THE LIGHT OF EDEN. By Benjamin Urrutia. Of primordial importance in the contemporary novelist J. R. R. Tolkien's saga of Arda is the story of the Eden-like land of Aman, with its white and golden Trees of Light, whose destruction by the enemy Morgoth plunged that land into darkness. The story bears a slight resemblance to that of Genesis, Chapter 3, which also tells of a land of Paradise, which was lost because of the intrigue of an enemy, the Serpent. Two trees, the Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life, also appear in the Genesis account, but otherwise the similarity is small indeed: there is no hint that these trees produced light, or that they were injured in any way at the Fall. Surprisingly, a much closer parallel to the Tolkienian narrative can be found in ancient Mexican mythology-the story of Tamoanchán.
 * To me he looks like a Mormon Harry Potter fan, nothing else. He's irrelevant here on Wikipedia. On American Anthropologist he wrote about J.R.R. Tolkien. Big deal. He's not an anthropologist. 2004-12-29T22:45Z 19:14, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * This is what a reader says about Urrutia's article on Egyptological Studies :
 * Nibley does give some useful citations in his discussion of the Opening of the Mouth on pages 106-109 which Urrutia cites. The whole value of Urrutia's article is in Nibley's discussion and sources.  I agree that Urrutia's article has no value outside of the referenced material in Nibley.
 * So Urrutia's not an egyptologist either. He's just a story teller. 2004-12-29T22:45Z 19:25, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * He co-authored a book with Guy Davenport, a significant literary figure. In that book — which I have read — Urrutia and Davenport select and translate the sayings of Jesus from a variety of canonical and non-canonical sources. In itself, that establishes notability in my mind. --goethean ॐ 20:08, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * So he is a translator, not author. Big deal. mikka (t) 20:48, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * keep intersting. Trollderella 21:04, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment What I said above about Urrutia, that he's not famous, that's just an understatement, because, quite frankly, Urrutia's a nobody in Ecuador. Who on earth is that man? He's a nobody. Just a translator and Harry Potter fan. Hey, religion's a business too. To me, this page is even spam, a kind of advertisement for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or something. 2004-12-29T22:45Z 23:16, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. The single (and very thin) book co-authored/edited/translated with Guy Davenport is not really enough to make him notable. As for the other publications, American Anthropologist is an important journal, but all his contributions there (available through JSTOR) are very brief notes or comments of less than a page on articles by other people. On the whole, he doesn't appear notable enough. However, whether he is notable in Ecuador is in my opinion completely irrelevant; a lot of people are more notable abroad than in their home countries. Uppland 06:36, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * delete. Nonnotable. mikka (t) 20:17, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * weak delete Looks like an obscure hack-writer. --Ghirlandajo 14:26, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable. Jayjg (talk) 22:21, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep per Goethean. See also my comments here  Tomer TALK  23:18, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Mook

Recognition
I think that "Mook" an infamous graffito of Pittsburgh should be given recognizition in this page. FireSpike 20:02, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

 * But like in that great song by les aigles, as-tu raison? That is to say, can you tell me why?

--Fighter 04:56, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Cursing?
I've heard from several separate places (all semi-reliable sources) that "mook" is a racial slur in Japan. Can anyone prove/debunk this? -WarthogDemon 00:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

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I've reformatted this page as a dab page. It may be worthwhile to create a stub or transwiki to Wiktionary the following content, provided it can be appropriately sourced:

 * "Mook" is the Japanese publishing industry's generic name for quarterly or irregularly published large-format softcover publications having more pages than a typical magazine, yet less pages than a proper book. Examples from the automotive field include News Publishing Company's HyperRev series  and Mazda Miata Roadster-specific Road&Ster.
 * Mook was an Engrish contraction of the English words for a movie and book and were reference books for popular animation and film in Japan. The mooks themselves were often collections of color stills or screenshots taken directly from the movie or TV series, with additional material such as character and mechanical design sketches, fan art, and technical text from the creators included in black and white. The term mook was a fairly common description for these types of books during the 1980s, but, while the reference books are still being published, the term has now fallen into disuse as English becomes more prevalent in Asia, although the term has resurfaced a few times in recent years.
 * Mook is written as ムック in Japanese. See http://www.jekai.org/entries/aa/00/nn/aa00nn79.htm for further details (that generally confirm what's written above). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.51.27 (talk) 12:10, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Mook is an advertising industry term for an 'in your face' person (e.g., Tom Green, the cast of the TV show jackass or the characters in the cartoon South Park).

--Muchness 05:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * "Mook" is a term used in marketing to describe a group of young people (mostly teenagers) that is targeted for the marketing of "cool." The "Mook" describes a male that is driven and controlled by a form of "cool" that is exemplified by Tom Green, the MTV show Jackass, and other forms of sophomoric, reality-show humour.

Mook
I've always understood mook as a word referring to somebody who is a working-class moron, not necessarily as someone trying to be cool. I hear it all the time in Minnesota. And I could have sworn I heard it in the first Fantastic Four movie.

 * That's the English dictionary definition, there's a wiktionary link on the page. Anarchangel23 (talk) 09:23, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Languages of Russia

Old talk
I started the article today, because it had been requested for over a year. I am not a linguist, but I take interest in it. Other Wikipedians are more than welcome to edit and improve this article. Most of the information is taken from Ethnologue or borrowed from existing Wikipedia entries. It would be splendid if someone made a section called Alphabets of languages of Russia (see Languages of India for inspiration).

Punkmorten 20:02, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Mostly, the alphabet would be a variant of Cyrillic alphabet. Probably, there is already a page that lists the variants of Cyrillic alphabet derived from the Russian alphabet, which are used for languages of Russia and some other languages of the "neighbours". As to the official languages of Russia, the official script must be Cyrillic according to Russian laws.--Imz 18:00, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, with the exception of the minority languages of Karelia, Karelia and Veps, which are both formally written with a variant of the Finnish alphabet (they are both very closely related to Finnish, to the extent of being more or less mutually intelligible). Wilsonsamm (talk) 13:38, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * no 2603:8001:3402:C189:30FA:67E9:C827:1358 (talk) 13:48, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Yiddish language
Need to add Yiddish, official in the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. --Anatoli (talk) 04:42, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It is not official. Article 6.1 of the JAO Charter only specifies Russian as official.  Furthermore, the Constitution of Russia only allows the republics to establish official languages other than Russian.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 30, 2010; 12:10 (UTC)

Reference
The first reference says (in Russian). It's not in Russian, but some other slavic language. My guess is Ukranian. I'd mend it, but I'm not sure if I'm right, and anyway I don't know how to. Wilsonsamm (talk) 13:38, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It is indeed Ukrainian. Thanks for catching it; I've made a correction.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 3, 2011; 14:30 (UTC)

Endangered languages
There are probably more endangered languages in Russia than listed here, but it's a bit strange to say that Udmurt is endangered. Over 300000 speakers, it's actively taught (including to the PMs of the Udmurt republic), has at least one radio, a couple of newspapers, an active presence online (e.g. over 3000 articles in the Udmurt wikipedia)... http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8 lists the languages of Russia, there is quite a few with under 20000 speakers. Those are endangered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.36.70.212 (talk) 14:50, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Ukrainian language in Crimea
I've just tagged Ukrainian being a recognised language in Crimea. I've encountered a few articles from, er... slightly biased sources claiming that Ukrainian is being banned in schools. Any WP:RS to confirm that it's an officially recognised language? --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:06, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * It hasn't been banned. All of the schools with ukrainian language of teaching were closed. It explained as the ammount of people willing their children to get education in ukrainian language dropped drasticly, so there is no need in those schools anymore. You are still able to study ukrainian language at the language classes though, if there are enough amount of parents who want their child to learn it. Here is the interview of the Minister of Education of Crimea where she tells about it (ria.ru). I've added source to the new Constitution of Crimea, to the one who would like to read the language paragraph – type <Статья 10> in the search field. A.dmyme (talk) 14:36, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your assistance! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:09, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Unofficial languages
I've tagged the Unofficial languages section as WP:OR. In the first instance, 'unofficial' has been loosely defined as virtually any language spoken by itinerant tradespeople and is growing longer without any form of WP:RS. In fact, I have not been able to find any RS definition of what an unofficial language actually is. There are definitions for official languages. The only definition I am aware of is used in linguistics and applies to smaller groups of indigenous languages within an historical territory which are spoken (and often endangered), but are not languages recognised by the state. I seriously think the entire section should go. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:36, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I wonder if the original intent of this section was to address the languages which have no official status but are recognized in other ways. I agree that the section should not deal with the languages which merely happen to be spoken in Russia by someone (that subset can include pretty much every language on Earth). It can, however, describe the status of the languages spoken in the areas of the so-called "compact settlement" of certain ethnicities. Most federal subjects have laws that protect such languages, giving them certain rights other "unofficial" languages may not have. There is, after all, a great difference in status between the Tajik language in Moscow and the Evenk language in certain areas of the Sakha Republic...—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 26, 2015 ; 15:21 (UTC)
 * Therein lies the problem. I realise that it may be difficult to find RS in order to formally identify languages not recognised, but there needs to be a more concise qualification of 'unofficial' languages. For example, in Australia alone, there are around 75 indigenous languages (of the original approximately 250 languages) still in use and being taught in schools: but those regions are identifiable. Add to that the number of diasporic communities all over Australia, most notably over the last couple of decades, and you can add at least 100 'unofficial languages' in use in particular suburbs in cities.

 * I've also tagged the 'recognised languages' section as being problematic (mainly because a user has changed the number in the Russia infobox from 24 to 35 in the last few days. The best I can do is add a 'citation needed' tag, but I suspect they've used this article as their reference. Again, I realise that this would require trawling through region after region - something I'm not particularly keen on doing - but it does need some form of verification. Are you aware of any documentation where the info might be centralised? If not, I'm tempted to approach the Russia article infobox with 24 to 35 languages. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:08, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure the status of protected minority languages is codified, but you are right, hunting them down would require going region-by-region, and my cockles, too, aren't particularly warmed at the thought of doing that!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 30, 2015 ; 13:13 (UTC)
 * Oh, my aching head. Perhaps we could go for, "Yes. Yes, there are... quite a few." If not, I might try for the "I've developed selective amnesia and forgot that the question even came up." approach. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:04, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Sevastopol
Ukrainian and Crimean Tatar languages do not have any official status in Sevastopol, only in Republic of Crimea. In fact, Russian contitution gives permition to have their own official languages only to republics, autonomous oblast and autonomous okrugs, this is what makes them different from "normal" federal subjects like oblasts and krays. Federal cities (Moscow, Saint-Petersburg and Sevastopol) cannot have their own official languages under the current constitution. 62.122.102.5 (talk) 08:57, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * It's actually only the republics which can have official languages other than Russian (not the autonomous okrugs/oblast), but you are right about Sevastopol. The article mentioned that "an exception" was made for Sevastopol, but I am unable to corroborate this, so I removed the statement altogether. The Charter of Sevastopol does not address the question of the official languages, and the Russian documents dealing with "incorporation" of Crimea and Sevastopol only mention the Republic of Crimea having Crimean-Tatar and Ukrainian languages as official alongside Russian, not Sevastopol. Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 12, 2016 ; 15:48 (UTC)
 * it's even more complicated. You are right, autonomous oblast and orkugs are not really different in language politics according to the constitution, which is really surprise to me. Still, somehow different languages have official status in various territories, see https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%B8_%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%B2_%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%85_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%A4%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8#.D0.AF.D0.B7.D1.8B.D0.BA.D0.B8_.D1.81_.D0.BE.D1.84.D0.B8.D1.86.D0.B8.D0.B0.D0.BB.D1.8C.D0.BD.D1.8B.D0.BC_.D1.81.D1.82.D0.B0.D1.82.D1.83.D1.81.D0.BE.D0.BC, so maybe even federal city could probably have some official language other than Russian. I am not sure that this is really OK according to the constitution, but this works in other territories. 62.122.102.5 (talk) 20:14, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Those are not "official languages". Those are languages with a special status on strictly defined territories/used in strictly defined situations, recognized within the framework of the laws on protection of the status of the languages of the native peoples. Within that framework they do have a status equal to Russian, but their overall use is nevertheless limited by the same framework. It is all indeed quite complicated, but the important thing here is that the "official languages" parameter in the infobox is supposed to only cover proper official languages (as defined by the basic law of the federal subject), not these special cases (defined in separate, specialized laws). There is, of course, nothing preventing anybody from discussing those special cases within the body of the article, as long as proper sources are provided. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 15, 2016 ; 20:53 (UTC)

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History - 1914 map
Would there be a place for this? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaqiC6DXYAADbqu?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

"It’s a map of the Moscow Dialectological Commission of the Imperial Academy of Sciences, published by the Imperial Russian Geographical Society in Petrograd in 1914."

from https://mobile.twitter.com/TomJLines/status/1273008311475077128/

both archived https://web.archive.org/web/20220727233655/https://twitter.com/TomJLines/status/1273008311475077128/

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[[Anti-Semitism]
If you want to add provocative information like that, you should at least provide a reasonable citation as well. Jayjg (talk) 13:51, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Al Sharpton
Hi RR, please don't revert when an editor makes a request for sources. You've inserted some pretty serious charges. I deleted "although in one case he did attack Korean shopkeepers," because you don't say when, where, or what the context or consequence was. If you have online sources, could you please link to them after each claim, and stick very closely to what the source says i.e. don't elaborate. SlimVirgin (talk) 08:19, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

Hi RR! I've eliminated your edits after a chat with User:Revolución. Don't take it personally, but I don't see those sources as reputable and agree with him. Why don't you offer your opinions in the talk page instead of blanket reverting? --Sebastian Kessel 21:45, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Of course you can reply tactfully... only takes a little effort. I found that reading twice what you wrote before submitting it makes what we sometimes write with a hot head make a lot less sense. :) --Sebastian Kessel 22:47, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

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Hi RR, I wanted to affirm that the Wikipedia community is commited to maintain the neutral point of view policy even on controversial and non-politically correct topics. The race and intelligence article, for example, seems to have turned out pretty well. Sometimes, though, this does take a bit of persistence.--Nectar T 07:05, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

title: User talk:Race Reality