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User talk:CoolKatt number 99999

If you are going to leave rude messages, then do not leave any at all -- CoolKatt number 99999.

 * User talk:CoolKatt number 99999/Archive 1
 * User talk:CoolKatt number 99999/Archive 2
 * User talk:CoolKatt number 99999/Archive 3
 * User talk:CoolKatt number 99999/Archive 4

New Start
Was getting pretty big... CoolKatt number 99999 03:24, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Stopping BenH
Attention. I am with many of you in supporting a permablock of BenH. He has vandalized too many TV station articles. I have fixed some of his edits myself. If you support me in this matter, sign here. CoolKatt number 99999 03:26, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Stop threats
Please stop threatening BenH with blocks and especially with any sort of permanent ban. Sue Anne 05:00, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * His edits do not give you the right to threaten him. It gives you the right to post to AN/I or to open a constructive dialogue with him. Threatening him and being uncivil is not constructive. Sue Anne 05:08, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Template of Fox Hawaii
Yeah, after I looked at it I realized that maybe a template for Hawaii wasn't necessary. I just figured I'd put it in because it seemed to be the only state missing from all the Fox templates.

Thistheman 01:35, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry
Haha, you're going to need better evidence for an assertion of sockpuppetry than the fact that two users agree on an article deletion. Opabinia regalis 01:40, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I mean jeeze.. every AFD I see a ton of "as per nom" they must ALL be sock puppets. Get a grip.--Crossmr 01:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. --Crossmr 02:03, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

 * No you're not doing the right thing. You claimed over half the people invovled in that AFD as sock puppets, yet didn't even pursue it via the proper means. All you did was slander them and leave tags on people's pages. That is a personal attack. --Crossmr 15:57, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

 * No one forced me to vote delete on that AFD. You need to seriously get a hold of your self. --Crossmr 19:10, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

 * unfortunatley I'm not the only one you falsely accused and smeared in public. The incident with me is only part of your behaviour pattern that is not appropriate for a community environment. We all have strong opinions about things, its part of human nature, however I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish by continually being so aggressive and abrasive. In a community, its just not going to get you anywhere or accomplish what it is you want to accomplish. My suggestion is to start by apologizing to all the people you attacked, take responsibility for your behaviour and begin to work with those around you instead of lashing out at them, and mean it.You've insulted a lot of people and they're not likely to be so quick to forgive and forget such behaviour or such a period of time, so reverting to your previous behaviour isn't likely to be tolerated for very long.--Crossmr 04:52, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Afd
I have to tell you that Dpbsmith put the TV stations by channel number articles on Afd. Georgia guy 01:58, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

You're at it again
You are making unnecessary changes to articles. Before you go into your defense and accuse me of WP:OWN, let me first tell you that this has NOTHING to do with me and everything to do with you. Your recent revisions, such as the wording in WCBS-TV and the changing of the picture size in WPHL-TV were so unnecessary because these things weren't a problem for anyone until you decided to fix what wasn't broken.

Like I've told you before: stop nitpicking and learn how to become a better all-around contributor. Rollosmokes 06:39, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

 * You are constantly re-reverting WCAU to a version -- YOUR VERSION -- of poorer quality, with very many unnecessary changes. You're also undoing several changes I've made in WCMH-TV, including one which I emphasized in my last revertion.  (Tip: check the station's website.)  I'm warning you -- don't start this stuff up again.  Rollosmokes 07:31, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Too add onto this, I reverted and changed arround your unneeded Trivia section on WDJT because your comment made it sound like it was an embarassment for CBS to be on such a low channel number. It isn't (at least in WDJT's case, WWJ and CBS' handling of them on the other hand, uggh...), mainly because it's on between cable channels 5-10 on most systems, and the station has tried to make lemonade out of the lemons by buying good shows and trying to compete on even footing with the other Big Three Milwaukee stations. I kept the Trivia section but removed the comment and replaced it with something more NPOV. Nate 10:48, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

 * "!-- Do not remove the merge tag. Doing so is considerd vandalism. --"
 * So, anyone who removes YOUR mandated merge tags from WKBS-TV (Philadelphia) and/or WGTW-TV is committing vandalism? Or is that just for me?  You are so sad.  (And you're a bad speller also -- it's considered, with two "e"s.)  Rollosmokes 14:28, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

TV station lists by channel number
The List of channel 20 TV stations in the United States's Afd appears to be getting a consensus to delete. I think something you should do is move the pages to your user namespace (i.e. User:CoolKatt number 99999/List of channel 20 TV stations in the United States.) Georgia guy 14:18, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

BenH
You are reciving this message because you have been involved in a dispute with BenH before. Due to some currently ongoing disputes with this user, I invite you to check out Requests for comment/BenH. —Whomp  [ T ] [ C ] 01:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

RfC
Why did you make an AfD on the RfC case against you? Comment on the RfC as is appropriate; AfD is for Mainspace articles only. -- Samir  धर्म 21:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm going to speedy relete the AfD as housekeeping, but primarily it's to avoid things snowballing -- Samir  धर्म 21:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

WCVB-TV
Could you please cite a source on WCVB transmitting from the WBZ-TV tower as retaliation for the old WHDH-TV's appeal? I have never found anything about that before. -- WC Quidditch  ☎  ✎  02:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Philadelphia Television Splits
WFIL-TV and WPVI-TV are the same station! There is no need for a split. Also, there is no need to split the KYW-TV article into WPTZ and WRCV-TV, former calls for KYW-TV. The history of WPTZ and WRCV-TV is the history of KYW-TV because they are the same station! It is an integral part of the history of the history of the station that does not need an article. A redirect? Maybe, but an article, no! This goes for both stations! WKBS and WGTW, well they are two different stations, so keep them apart! Kramden4700 06:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Stop acting like you own the articles, please see: WP:OWN. There was no gap between WFIL-TV changing to WPVI-TV, it was something that just happened with only very minor changes occurring. The WKBS and WGTW situation is not the same - different calls and a gap of years. Mention WKBS in the WGTW article and vice versa, but there is no need to merge the two different stations. Let me make this somewhat clear splitting WFIL-TV and WPVI-TV would be like splitting the WCAU article into different articles based on the ownership of the station breaking it up into WCAU-TV (The Bulletin), WCAU-TV (CBS) and WCAU-TV (NBC) – something that would make absolutely no sense! Kramden4700 01:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Arkansas Educational Television Network
I removed the call letter meanings from the AETN article. An AETN viewer services representative says (in an eMail) that while those meanings are logical, they are not factually correct. Please do not add them back again. Amnewsboy 04:26, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Please check out a University of Maryland project on American TV/Radio call letters. Not all call letters mean something; some are arbitrary, and others are unknown. Amnewsboy 04:54, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

WCAU-TV, WPHL-TV, WVIT, WKBS-TV (Philadelphia), and WGTW-TV
Your needless reverting of these articles is getting very tiredsome. The revisions you have made are redundant, of poor quality, and proves once again that you are a poor editor. A rundown:
 * WCAU, WKBS-TV and WGTW-TV: see Kramden4700's comment above.
 * WPHL-TV: what's with the triple-space between the last paragraph and the logo gallery, especially when there's no text in that space? That's a waste.
 * WVIT: the lines attempting to further explain the WATR/WHNB dual affiliation, and of WVIT's power increase were redundant. It isn't necessary to overexplain, the simpler version -- written by me, as it happens -- is fine as it is.

The versions NOT edited by you (and yes, I have revised or rewritten most of all of these articles) are of BETTER QUALITY.

You just don't learn. Not to mention your hypocrisy for wanting BenH permanently blocked when a block of undetermined length could you do some good. Rollosmokes 05:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

 * "Please stop reverting my edits, especially if you yourself do not want to get blocked. Also, stop being uncivil on my talk page, if you can't be civil, don't leave me any messages at all...believe it or not, you ARE violating WP:OWN..."

Me, get blocked? Me, uncivil? Me, violating WP:OWN? Puhleeezzzeee!!!

 * "And by the way, WKBS and WGTW need to be merged, like it or not"

Says you, and only you. Who made you an administrator? Unless you are, then your words mean NOTHING. As for me, they mean even less.

Have you forgotten the trouble you put me through when you tried to bully me? Not to mention that feeble attempt to muzzle me with that token Request for Comment -- which, by the way, I've never gotten an apology for (from YOU) for after it went down in flames?

In short, should I listen to anything you say? Sure, WHEN HELL FREEZES OVER. I have spoken. Rollosmokes 05:38, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Rollosmokes. You are seriously violating WP:OWN. You really need to take a bit of a time out or something and calm down. If you want control over articles, start your own website. Kramden4700 04:45, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

On AfD
"I did delete the page and turn it into a redirect to my main user page. Now, do NOT threaten me ever again. In fact, just leave me alone. YOU have been warned."

Thanks for listening for once. BTW, what is a "threat"? I'll leave you alone when you stop laying your crap all over Wikipedia.

"And you yourself are violating WP:POINT by saying the ariticle should be deleted."

How so? In fact, I proved my point when you deleted that silly subpage. Now, how about the rest of them? Rollosmokes 07:22, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

A quote from CoolKatt that demonstrates his policy on accuracy
Callsign meanings that make sense ARE NOT SPECULATION.

Do you mean to say, Katt, that something you make up should be accepted as fact merely because it makes sense to you (the person who made them up)? Lambertman 19:30, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Rollosmokes
Thanks for the message. I am a registered user, but I choose to make some edits anonymously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.247.161.235 (talk • contribs)

TV stations by channel #
I created the rest of the channel numbers earlier this morning. --CFIF (talk to me) 22:17, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

WKBS-TV
Last time I checked, removing merge tags was not vandalism. You have no right to insert "do not remove" requests in merge tags. Please stop this. Blueboy96 02:15, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/List of Sci Fi Channel (United States) programs
Ello there, No.99999.. I'd rather like for you to give your input on the future of List of Sci Fi Channel (United States) programs since it may invariably suffer the same fate as Other films aired on The SciFi Channel, so please do so if time permits. I feel it a rather pertinant piece of information concerning the Sci Fi Channel, and its demise may compromise the article in its entirety. DrWho42 04:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Leo the Lion (MGM)
Hi there, please do not make unnecessary edits to the aforementioned article. I have removed the gallery section you contributed; if you have any problems, please contact me, and we can discuss the matter further on the article's talk page. Thanks. -- LBM 22:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Television series by company
They have been relisted...let's start anew, shall we? —Lady Aleena talk / contribs 18:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Blocked for 24 hours
You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule at WWOR-TV. (You reverted five times in under 24 hours.) If you agree to discuss this matter in good faith at Talk:WWOR-TV (without reverting again for 24 hours), I will lift the block. You can respond here or by e-mailing me. —David Levy 19:00, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree to discuss this matter in good faith at Talk:WWOR-TV. CoolKatt number 99999 19:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

 * And you won't revert the article again for at least 24 hours? —David Levy 19:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

 * No CoolKatt number 99999 19:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

 * To be clear, does that mean that you agree not to revert again for at least 24 hours? —David Levy 19:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree CoolKatt number 99999 19:08, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Threatening to nominate the article for deletion is not discussing the matter in good faith. The block stands.  —David Levy 19:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I won't do it again, I swear. CoolKatt number 99999 19:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Riiiight. You need to stop threatening me not to edit. --CFIF (talk to me) 19:20, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I am waiting for a respose. Please reply. CoolKatt number 99999 19:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I won't unblock. —David Levy 19:38, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Stop editing. You're blocked, but the system is malfunctioning. —David Levy 19:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Unblock me now, I won't be uncivil anymore! CoolKatt number 99999 19:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Again, stop editing. It's only because of a technical glitch that you're able to. All edits that you make to any page other than this one will be reverted. —David Levy 20:21, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Unblock request
I suggest you take 24 hours away from Wikipedia, it will all seem a lot less worth worrying about. I will drop David a note. Rich Farmbrough 20:20 11 July 2006 (GMT).

Re: I'm back
"See title."

 * ...And, are we supposed to welcome you back with outstretched arms and a John Sebastian song playing in the background? I was hoping you learned your lesson from being blocked, but you apparently didn't.  You started up again with WWOR-TV and also re-reverted small changes I made to Hearst-Argyle, not to mention your attempt to evade your block.  You should have been permanently banned, or at the least asked to refrain from editing television articles indefinitely.

 * Just to let you know, that frivolous RfC you filed against CFIF will go up in smoke, just like the ones against A Man In Black and myself...take that to the bank! Rollosmokes 08:00, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Please stop adding speculative call letters to articles. I reverted your WBSF edit because they haven't officially changed the call letter meaning yet, and the article makes that clear with the word may. Until it happens, the call letters should stay the same. Nate 21:44, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Paramount Stations Group
Hello again, this is Time1, I need your and everyone's help about the page I created called the Paramount Stations Group. I need help to finish the page. Thanks 13:10, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Please stop Introducing deliberate factual errors
Please do not deliberately introduce incorrect information into articles. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. Buckner 1986 16:40, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Civil
It is important to keep a cool head, especially when responding to comments against you or your edits. Personal attacks and disruptive comments only escalate a situation; please keep calm and remember that action can be taken against other parties if necessary. Attacking another user back can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors and leads to general bad feeling. Please try to remain civil with your comments. Thanks! --Crossmr 04:12, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Addition of unverified information
Hello CoolKatt number 99999. This message concerns the recent request for investigation filed about you. Note that deliberately adding unverified information is a violation of Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. Any such information can be removed immediately, and persisting in adding such information after appropriate warnings will lead to a block. // [ admin ] Pathoschild (talk/map) 15:31, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Hello. Following the recent request for investigation, you were asked not to deliberately add unverified information to articles. You appear to have done so again on [ WUCW], [ WWOR-TV], [ WBSF], [ KTVU], and [ KNTV] . Please cite reliable sources for such information; any further violation of the Verifiability policy will result in a block. Thank you for your contributions, but please follow policies. :) // [ admin ] Pathoschild (talk/map) 14:42, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

 * [[Image:Stop_hand.png|30px|left]] You have been blocked from editing for in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy . If you wish to make useful contributions, you are welcome to do so after the block expires.

 * Someone listen to me please. CoolKatt number 99999 00:32, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Is anyone even here? CoolKatt number 99999 04:08, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Please wait a little while. There is currently a small backlog of unblock requests, so it may take a few hours for an administrator to get to your request. For the sake of fairness, I won't process your request myself since I'm the administrator who blocked you. // [ admin ] Pathoschild (talk/map) 04:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Unblock denied. G'day CoolKatt,

 * I've reviewed the block, and I agree with it. You knew the consequences of your actions, and you persisted regardless.  I think it'll do you a world of good to take a little break.  You have not merely insisted on inserting unverified information (even though, after reading the relevant request for investigation, it appears you aren't even certain what you've written is true), but you have edit warred with anyone who attempted to remove your inappropriate changes.  I appreciate that it's not nice to go up against someone who accuses you unfairly of "vandalism", but revert warring is never the answer.  Your insistence on making poor edits, and willingness to misbehave in an effort to keep those edits in the encyclopaedia, make this a very fair block indeed.  fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 08:40, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

 * There is an also a Request for Arbitration in progress that may be of interest to any other admins that stop by. Lambertman 17:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for for  in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy. Please stop; you're welcome to make useful contributions after the block expires.
 * This is NOT over Amnewsboy. Once I am unblocked, you will have an RfC filed against you. CoolKatt number 99999 03:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You have every right to do so, although I would recommend taking fuddlemark's advice, taking time off of Wikipedia, and cooling off instead. I don't have any other comment on the matter. Amnewsboy 03:26, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Another CoolKatt RfC threat? This one will likely be as frivolous as the ones against A Man in Black, Rollosmokes, and I. --CFIF (talk to me) 13:26, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Warning!
Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits are considered vandalism, and if you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the work of others. Thank you. --Rekarb Bob 19:44, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Should I assume something from you?
Due to your recent blocks, I would be happy to take something off your back, but not the WP block. Maybe your subpages? I'll be glad to do that. - Tracker  TV  05:05, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: WDCA-TV
''Your change to the page WDCA was determined to be unhelpful, and has been reverted. Please use the sandbox for any tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. Thanks.''

 * More tit-for-tat. Is this your only comeback -- a generic message?  Is this the only defense you can put together as the noose gets tighter around your neck?  You have been warned and warned about your behavior, yet you continue to do what you have been asked by administrators and others NOT TO DO, and you leave these smart-ass remarks on mine and others' talk pages.  How sad.
 * You are truly on your last legs, my friend. I give you a week more, maybe 10 days, perhaps 14 days, and you'll be gone from Wikipedia forever.  Really, the sooner the better.  Until that inevitable time arrives, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM CONTACTING ME unless you want to know what REAL INCIVILITY looks like.  Thanks.  Rollosmokes 09:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

3RR
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. Buckner 1986 15:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

You're not learning!
G'day CoolKatt,

I see you've been back to your old tricks again, despite your blocks from a few days ago. I've blocked you for forty-eight hours. I think the best thing for you to do, when you return after your block, is to stay away from the articles where you've been reverting and, for good measure, ''do not revert. At all.'' If you can manage that, you may be able to avoid being blocked for a yet longer period of time. Please pull your head in, CoolKatt; our assumptions can only take us so far when you persist in misbehaving. fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 17:14, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Please listen to Fuddlemark, CK. You and I have had a good working relationship, but I cannot condone your recent activity, violating WP:3RR and filing multiple RfCs. You've got some good edits to your name. Don't spoil them by getting banned from Wikipedia. Take care, -- Firsfron of Ronchester 17:28, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * CK, please -- stop with the nonsense. Your RfC's are going nowhere... your RfAr file is piling up... and you've made quite a few editors and admins angry.  In short, unless you are more cooperative, you will be banned for good.  That's not a threat, but a statement of fact -- the admins are patient, but their patience will eventually run out.  As a community, the users you interact with regularly have virtually lost their patience already.
 * You have brought this upon yourself, because you selectively choose which Wiki policies to stand by (WP:STALK and WP:VAND), and which ones you won't (like WP:V, WP:OWN, and WP:3RR). As a group, we have tried to reason with you, tried being civil, and it's all been for naught.
 * Your edits are not bad edits, per se, but they need refinement. You need to learn that an edit that goes against you is not necessarily a bad or vandalous edit -- and, by the same token, an edit you enter in WP is not necessarily a good or meaningful edit.  Furthermore, you need to understand that because you perceive it to be so, that does not make it factual or verifiable.  WP:OWN says it best: You agreed to allow others to modify your work here. So let them.
 * We have tried to help you out and offer goodwill -- yet you have refused to follow instructions, or pledged to do so then completely ignored your word. Please, think about your actions before you continue down this line. Amnewsboy 01:57, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I understand, but all I am trying to do is make WP better. I won't violate WP:V again, and I did not want to violate 3RR, but I was provoked. Buckner 1986 should have just left me alone. All I want is a good experience, but some users don't want me here (like Buckner 1986 and fuddlemark/MarkGallagher). Please understand me now. CoolKatt number 99999 05:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry that you feel I want you to leave Wikipedia. I can only assure you I don't wish for anyone involved in these incidents to be forced out.  However, there are certain rules that govern the behaviour of alll of us on Wikipedia: don't edit aggressively; don't insert data you can't source and don't know to be true; try to be civil and pleasant at all times; and so on.  It all boils down to, try to work with other users, not against them.  This is not negotiable.  If you're willing to behave yourself, then you're more than welcome to contribute here — good authors are, after all, always welcome. fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 08:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Unblock
CoolKatt number 99999 22:36, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh shut up already CoolKatt. Your promises don't mean a thing to anyone. --CFIF (talk to me) 22:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No need for incivility. --pgk( talk ) 22:41, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I apologize, but this guy is crazy and continues to anger and provoke everyone. He's got a pending ArbCom case against him, if you want to take a look. --CFIF (talk to me) 22:43, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

User:CFIF
Looking at fuddlemark's talk I see you are engaging in a petty war of words with User:CFIF I suggest now would be a good time to stop, learn to know when to simply walk away from a situation. No one is going to indefinitely block another user because it would be convenient to you and enable you to get your own way. --pgk( talk ) 21:29, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I already have. --pgk( talk ) 21:33, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Have what? --CFIF (talk to me) 21:34, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

 * See your talk page CoolKatt number 99999 21:35, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

You control your behaviour no one else
No one else prevents you from learning or forces you to behave in any manner. I've told you this numerous times and you continue to blame others for your behaviour. Its on-going proof of either your inability to learn or your refusal. It certainly isn't anyone else's fault. And further proof that you should not be editing here.--Crossmr 21:38, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It ends when your behaviour ends. It started with your personal attacks and continues as you continue those and try to sell stories about someone behaving perfectly normal as uncivil. You have a serious problem and you need to address it. Your continual blocks and the numerous users who've had it with you should have been evidence of that long ago. I'm not interested in hearing your story about how no one lets you change, and how you'll promise to be better. Just do it as the slogan goes. You've told that story too many times for it to have any meaning. --Crossmr 21:57, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Once I am unblocked after an hour, I will add Buckner 1986 to the suspected sockpuppets of Kramden4700. CoolKatt number 99999 04:41, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

And while you're at it, block Buckner 1986 indefinetely. He is starting to test my patience. CoolKatt number 99999 04:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I've encountered this wonderful and dedicated Wikipedian already, and looks like he's locked in on you now. Being "responsible for your own actions" is his tagline. Best just to let him put whatever he wants on your talk page and completely ignore him. Seriously, it's not worth it. --SayWhatYouMeanAndMeanWhatYouSay 04:53, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Sandbox
For now this is my sandbox.

Turner Classic Movies: Airs movies from the Warner Bros., MGM, RKO, and United Artists libraries. Was founded by Ted Turner in 1994 to broadcast films from his extensive archive. It only aired MGM, RKO, UA, and pre-1948 WB at first, but after Turner merged with Time Warner in 1996, Turner's library became part of the Warner Bros. library - which meant that WB once again owned its pre-1948 films, although they technically are under the Turner Entertainment division, while WB handles sales and distribution.

Gradually, 1948-mid 70s WB titles were mixed in the schedule. WB boasts that they have the largest film library of any major American movie studio.

Among its holdings:
 * Almost all films, TV series, and shorts made and/or released by WB themselves
 * Most pre-1986 MGM films, TV series, and shorts (such as Gone with the Wind -- Ted Turner's favorite movie -- and Tom and Jerry)
 * Some United Artists material (some through Turner, others WB had before 1996)
 * US/Canadian and Australian rights to most of the RKO library
 * Popeye theatrical cartoons released between 1933 and 1957
 * Most Hanna-Barbera cartoons (including most TV cartoons and the theatrical film Heidi's Song)
 * Most properties held by Lorimar-Telepictures at the time of its merger with Warner in 1989
 * 1974-89 Rankin-Bass
 * TV shows made by Lorimar
 * TV shows distributed by Telepictures
 * Many films made by Lorimar
 * Allied Artists/Monogram Pictures library
 * National General Pictures library (except co-productions with Cinema Center Films)
 * the 1971 film Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory
 * most of the pre-1990 Saul Zaentz film library
 * the 1978-1982 Orion Pictures library
 * the non-Japan rights to the first 3 Pokémon films
 * Castle Rock Entertainment films made after Turner acquired Castle Rock (except the Region 1 rights to The Story of Us owned by Universal)
 * Productions by Cartoon Network Studios and Williams Street Studios

Civility
You claim to be the victim of invicility but I notice edits liek this of yours which are unacceptable. I notice you got blocked to cool down, I suggest the blocking admin was very lenient on the length of his block. The expectation is still that you deal with these situations in a mature and constructive manner. --pgk( talk ) 06:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

The End is Near
In case you don't know, the Arbitration Commission has agreed to take the case against you to the next level.

Yet, you still haven't listened to any of us in regards to your behavior. And, again, you continue to go tit-for-tat with me as you re-reverted (again) my edits on WTXF-TV. Everything is just piling up against you...just give up already. No, wait, that time will come in the very near future. I can't wait! Rollosmokes 07:11, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

a longer block
G'day CoolKatt,

I appreciate that nobody enjoys being accused of vandalism, and I will deal with User:Buckner_1986 (talk • contribs) for his personal attacks. However, you are well aware — because you have been warned repeatedly and blocked at least three times in the past week — that engaging in revert wars and nasty arguments (this note, in particular, does you no favours), and yet you continue to misbehave. Pull your head in, mate. You're only hurting yourself. When you return in one week, I hope you're ready to start editing a bit more constructively, rather than making insults and engaging in edit wars. fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 08:30, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Didn't I tell you that you were to never block me again? CoolKatt number 99999 08:40, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Not that I can recall, no. If you did, then I'm afraid I didn't notice.  In any case, it's entirely within your power to keep from being blocked on Wikipedia (by me, or any other admin), but the trick is to start behaving in a manner more appropriate to a collaborative environment.  Simply making demands or threats of your fellow Wikipedians will not prevent you from being blocked, I'm afraid.  fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 09:02, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, I am not misbehaving. I am only trying to improve the article. I guess I have a new enemy: YOU. CoolKatt number 99999 08:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You are editing aggressively, revert warring, and being incivil. It's arguable whether or not your changes are improving the articles you war over; regardless of the merits of your contributions, however, your methods are unacceptable.  As for "enemies", well, there's nobody on Wikipedia that I would consider my enemy.  You're free to hold whatever opinion of me you wish to hold, but I don't hold any malice towards you — and in my experience, one-sided "you're my enemy!" conflicts tend to make the person doing all the shouting look rather silly.  fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 09:02, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Oh and Pilotguy, if you read this, talk to fuddlemark. The one-hour block should have been enough, but one week, that is crossing the line. CoolKatt number 99999 08:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Mark. You are being very incivil, and breaching practically ever policy around. I suggest an indef. block, but just my say. Computerjoe 's talk 17:22, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

CoolKatt: Should I take the subpages? -TrackerTV 19:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/CoolKatt_number_99999
Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Requests for arbitration/CoolKatt_number_99999. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/CoolKatt_number_99999/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/CoolKatt_number_99999/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 00:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I can't right now due to being blocked. CoolKatt number 99999 00:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

And someone please take care of Rekarb Bob and revert WWCP-TV back to my version? CoolKatt number 99999 00:54, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Unblocked
I have unblocked you so that you may participate in your WP:RfAr case. Until the Arbitres rule on any injunctions, I would appreciate it if you not abuse my good faith by aggressive editing (I'm rather disappointed in your request, above, for assistance in your edit wars). fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 02:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Mate, the reason — the sole reason — that I have unblocked you well before your time expires is so that you can contribute to the ArbCom case. You're unblocked so you can argue in your own defence; not so that you can get yourself in more trouble.  Asking me to help you in your edit wars and accusing other editors of being sockpuppets, with no proof, definitely comes under the heading of "more trouble". fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 08:55, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Subpages
Do you want me to unload your user subpages from you? I know this may be trivial, but I'm helping somebody out. -TrackerTV 02:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Crossmr continues incivility
Sorry to hear about your troubles. I will remind you, however, that I do not mediate user or content disputes at this time, so perhaps you should have another administrator look at the issue. Thanks for your understanding. -- Pilotguy (roger that) 02:23, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Archiving
Please include a link to your archives, its a subject of your arbitration case — M in un  Spiderman 11:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Temporarily banned
You are now temporarily banned from editing any pages other than your own user pages and those relating to the arbitration case Requests for arbitration/CoolKatt number 99999, pending resolution of that case.

Please comply with this ban; if you do not, it may be enforced by blocking.

For the Arbitration Committee. --Tony Sidaway 12:02, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Agree, but i've got the feeling that he might not obey these bans. But I still agree that they should be made — M in un  Spiderman 13:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Request for investigation archived
Hello CoolKatt number 99999. Please note that a recent request for investigation filed by Amnewsboy concerning you has been archived. The administrator commented "A request for arbitration has been filed and accepted, so this request is no longer needed". Thank you. // [ admin ] Pathoschild (talk/map) 15:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Subpages
Do you want me to take them? Yes? No? Besides the archives in the ArbCom case? -TrackerTV 18:09, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

NPA
I'm going to remind you again to read WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA running around to admins to try and convince them I'm being uncivil when I'm not is a violation of those. Why do you think you're up for arbitration and blocked so much lately?--Crossmr 15:16, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Removing warnings from your talk page
Please do not remove warnings from your talk page or replace them with offensive content. Removing or maliciously altering warnings from your talk page will not remove them from the page history. If you continue to remove or vandalize warnings from your talk page, you will lose your privilege of editing your talk page. Thanks. --Crossmr 18:19, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

CBS Radio template
I placed it at Template:CBS Radio. I'll also be adding a link on your user front page to the RfAr case. -TrackerTV 23:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Blocked - Arbcom violation
 Blocked for breaching arbcom ruling The Arbitration Committee imposed restrictions on your ability to edit Wikipedia due to past behaviour on your part. Notwithstanding this ruling, you have continued to engage in prohibited editing.

As a result you have been blocked from editing Wikipedia for. The restrictions placed on you by the Arbitration Committee were. If you continue to breach this arbcom ruling you will be subject to a longer block. King of ♥   ♦   ♣   ♠  05:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

CoolKatt number 99999 05:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Your best bet will be to submit any evidence you may wish to present to a member of ArbCom via email to have it added to your case. I strongly doubt that any administrators will be willing to overturn an ArbCom-imposed block. - Stephanie Daugherty (Triona) - Talk - Comment - 05:53, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd rather not, I want to do it the old-fashioned way - editing to add evidence. CoolKatt number 99999 05:54, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * To which you've shown you cannot abide by the arbcoms injunction. You had an opportunity to provide your evidence and instead chose to violate your injunction.--Crossmr 06:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't start this Crossmr. I have had enough of you. You are just mad because of my sockpuppet accusation. I demand an apology for all the trouble you've caused me -- including that AIAV report. Maybe you should be blocked too, Crossmr, so you can spend time away from WP, and therefore, me. After all, your arrogance has gotten you into many disputes. CoolKatt number 99999 06:21, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've gotten you into no trouble. As I've told you many times, you control your actions and are responsible for your behaviour. No one forces you to act as you do.--Crossmr 06:47, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've got strong doubts you are innocent, but feel free to write evidence here — M in un  Spiderman • Review Me 14:14, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

my RfA
Thanks for your support opinion on my RfA. With a final vote of (62/0/1), my RfA passed, and I am now an Administrator. I will work hard to ensure that the tools entrusted to me will not be abused, and will wield my mop proudly. Happy editing! -- Firsfron of Ronchester 23:17, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Fair-use image removed from your user page
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WWCP-TV
If no one cleans up this article within like 72 hours, I suggest it be nominated for deletion. After all, having no article is better than having a messy article. CoolKatt number 99999 03:05, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I would suggest taking a look at this. AfD is not the solution to everything, you know. —Whomp t/c 19:20, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I would disagree as well -- while it does need a once-over for clarity purposes, there is no reason to delete the article entirely. I would also recommend recommend staying away from TV articles entirely for the time being while your RfAR case is going on. Amnewsboy 07:18, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

One More Thing
If I am not mistaken, Buckner 1986 is also a sock puppet of Spotteddogsdotorg. He has had similar edit patterns to Kramden4700 and Rekarb Bob. Something needs to be done about him. CoolKatt number 99999 03:13, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

WUFX on Meridian TV
Comment withdrawn. Why was WUFX, the WB affiliate for Jackson, added to the Meridian TV template? WUFX's signal does not reach Meridian. As a Jackson area resident, it can be tough at times getting it through the rabbit ears. Meridian is served by a WB 100+ station. Lee359 00:43, 11 August 2006 (UTC) Lee359 23:09, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/CoolKatt number 99999
This case is now closed and the result has been published at the link above.

 * CoolKatt is banned for one year from articles which relate to US television stations. He may continue to comment on talk pages.
 * CoolKatt is placed on Probation. He may be banned from any article or talk page which he disrupts. After the expiration of any ban imposed by this decision that ban may be re-imposed should he resume tendentious or disruptive editing. All bans are to be logged at Requests for arbitration/CoolKatt number 99999.
 * All of CoolKatt's subpages that do not comply with User page shall be deleted.
 * Should CoolKatt violate any ban imposed on him by this decision he may be blocked for an appropriate period. All blocks are to be logged at Requests for arbitration/CoolKatt number 99999

For the Arbitration Committee. FloNight 17:55, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Please note that I've deleted the following subpages per Arbitration remedy 3.1 ("All of CoolKatt's subpages that do not comply with User page shall be deleted"). If you'd like any of these pages temporarily restored for personal use, please contact me on my talk page or by email; note that these should not be thereafter placed on Wikipedia.

 * The SF Television Network (talk page)
 * Ultimate Group Deal
 * Unbutchered history of WGTW-TV (talk page)
 * WBMA Post-Group Deal
 * WCPO Post-Group Deal
 * WEWS Post-Group Deal
 * WFTS Post-Group Deal
 * WMAR Post-Group Deal
 * WPSG-AM
 * WTSP Post-Group Deal
 * WXYZ Post-Group Deal
 * What CoolKatt number 99999 is not
 * More Fox VHF O&O's
 * Louisville, Whore
 * KATV Post-Group Deal
 * KNBU
 * KNXV Post-Group Deal
 * KTUL Post-Group Deal
 * Draft 2
 * Duopoly Notes
 * Callsigns (talk page)
 * Alternate History KMBC
 * Alternate History KSHB
 * Alternate History WCFT/WJSU
 * Alternate History WGHP
 * Alternate History WNBT
 * Alternate History WVTM
 * Alternate History WXLV
 * Alternate History KCTV
 * Alternate History KNXV
 * Alternate History KTVK
 * Alternate History WDAF
 * Alternate History WKRC
 * Alternate History WSTR
 * Alternate History WXII
 * Alternate History KDFW
 * Alternate History KSAZ
 * Alternate History WBRC
 * Alternate History WFMY
 * Alternate History WLWT
 * Alternate History WTWB
 * Alternate History WXIX
 * Musical Chairs of Station Ownership

 * The remaining pages are listed in the Prefixindex . // [ admin ] Pathoschild (talk/map) 21:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

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Template:UPN New York
fits the criteria for speedy deletion for the following reason: '''UPN no longer exists. KansasCity 12:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)''' --Android Mouse Bot 2 12:43, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

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WADL
We have heard about how anyone can give inaccurate information. The station is big in the community and it appears that the very least we can do is to ensure what they have done right. Every station changes line ups. I can't imagine why anyone would keep putting outdated information on the site from May whenever they feel like it. I would like to have a free thinking forum for this. I do understand these people don't have ABC, but they do good work with informing the city, of heat banks, school supplies, food, free medical. And it is the only full station in Detroit that has an African American as the President. I dont want to feel this is why the staion is being viewed unfairly but to continue to replace updated info with what was on in May is not right. Can we get a project going that will update the information and stop it from going back to the few lines that are incorrct. Also on the radio today it was said of the old programs listed that someone keeps changing it. They can be fined when someone goes back to what was on here in May. it is a problem. Maybe this is a research project for the Wiki Community. The Detroit community calls in on radio and is furous. It could give Wiki a bad rap because it almost appears personal. Lets do a community page in the true spirit of fair and impartial information..

You post a great deal, Are you interested in helping, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mediawatcher2005 (talk • contribs) (20:13, August 14, 2007

 * This editor has been inactive for nearly a year, having been blocked for disruptive edits and harrassing other editors (including myself). I'm not sure he'll even return when his block is lifted.  Rollosmokes 16:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

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ArbCom elections are now open!
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ArbCom elections are now open!
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Talk:B5405 road

Failed AFDs
This article has been kept following this VFD debate. Sjakkalle (Check!)  07:05, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

See new one - Articles for deletion/B5405 road. Johnleemk | Talk 16:37, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:Acid123

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Genki Sudo

Genki Sudo (須藤 元気) is a Japanese former mixed martial artist, singer, actor and politician who has been serving as a political independent in the House of Councillors since 2019. Between 1998 and 2006, Sudo was a professional athlete and then was in the entertainment industry from 2006 to 2019. He has since returned to his previous position in World Order as of September 2021 where he is currently active.

He is a retired mixed martial artist and a kickboxer who, until 31 December 2006 competed in the Japanese fighting organization HERO'S and before that, the Ultimate Fighting Championship and Pancrase. He is known for his elaborate ring entrances and unorthodox fighting style. Sudo, following his retirement, transitioned into a career in entertainment as a Japanese singer, composer, choreographer, actor, professional calligrapher and author. He is the producer, director, and lead vocalist of the music group World Order, which is known for their techno music style and highly synchronised robotic choreography.

Early life
Born to a chef and Boxing fan, Genki was named after Yu Koyama's sports Manga Ganbare Genki. He started practicing Amateur Wrestling during high school, focusing on Greco-Roman Wrestling, and later won JOC Cup All Japan Junior Wrestling Championship during his stay at the Takushoku Junior College. In 1998, after graduating, Genki moved to the United States and enrolled in Santa Monica College, but dropped out soon after. Around this time, he joined the Beverly Hills Jiu-Jitsu Club and practiced Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. A year after, he returned to Japan to compete in Pancrase by Bas Rutten's mediation.

Pancrase
Genki started his professional career in 1998, when he fought Tiki Ghosn in Extreme Shoot 2. Then he moved to japanese promotion Pancrase, defeating Kosei Kubota by unanimous decision in his first fight. He joined Sanae Kikuta's Grabaka team to further develop his skills.

Sudo became well known for his particularly flashy choreographed ring entrances that often included costumed dancers. One entrance featured Sudo doing the robot and operating levers that released a column of smoke from the top of his head while wearing a Kentucky Fried Chicken bucket as a hat and a white plastic mask, in an homage to the musician Buckethead.

On 21 December 2001, Sudo fought against Kenichi Yamamoto at Yokohama Cultural Gymnasium, and won by Rear Naked Choke. Prior to the match, Sudo and Yamamoto promised to bet Yamamoto's UFC championship belt on the outcome. Following his win, Sudo was given the belt by Yamamoto, and Sudo was introduced as "UFC Japan Champion" by media after this bout. As the bet was personal, he is not sanctioned as champion by Zuffa.

UFC
Sudo had his debut in Ultimate Fighting Championship at UFC 38, facing Leigh Remedios. Making his entrance in a kimono and a tengu mask, Sudo showed his personal style by dancing and throwing spin kicks to open the match, eventually launching a flying triangle choke attempt which lasted for most of the round. At the second round, Genki threw Remedios with a hip throw and locked a rear naked choke, making him tap out. The Japanese wrestler then posed with a flag of all the nations and proclaimed his catchphrase of "We Are All One" for a crowd pop.

He returned at UFC 42 against Duane Ludwig. Again Sudo showed his theatrical side, walking backwards towards Ludwig and doing the robot dance before taking him down. However, despite his initial domination, the Japanese started receiving damage while standing, failing in a rolling kneebar and several takedown attempts. Sudo came back at the last round, taking down Ludwig and pounding and bloodying him with punches and elbows. Whilst Ludwig was taking a beating, referee John McCarthy interrupted and stood the two fighters up to check on Ludwig's nose. When the doctor allowed the fight to resume they did not restart from the same previous dominant position held by Sudo. Ludwig took advantage of the indirect rest given to him and avoided, with the aid of the referee's decision, the unfavorable position that he was in. He dominated the end of the fight landing hurtful shots on Sudo to win a split decision. Ludwig mocked Sudo after the final bell with a crane kick pose.

Sudo's last fight in UFC would be against the debuting Mike Brown in UFC 47. Brown tried to capitalize in Sudo's confusing moves by rushing him against the fence, managing to slam him on the mat, but Sudo then locked a triangle choke and transitioned into an armbar for the tap out.

Hero's
Genki Sudo was defeated by K-1 HERO's lightweight champion Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto. The fight was won by a controversial referee stoppage after Sudo was knocked down by a right hand which was followed by some punches.

At K-1 Dynamite! on 31 December 2006 he defeated Damacio Page by submission. After his win, and to the shock of the crowd, Sudo announced his retirement.

After retirement
Prior to his retirement on New Year's Eve Sudo fought for K-1 HERO's, the mixed martial arts branch of the most popular Japanese combat sports circuit.

In 2008, he accepted the position of Manager for Takushoku University's wrestling team. In the 2009 Eastern Japan University League Games, the 2009 All Japan University Greco-Roman Championship Tournament, and the 2010 All Japan University Wrestling Conference, he was awarded the prize for Best Manager. In addition, he led the team to victory in the 2010 All Japan Student Wrestling Championship, and in his second year as manager Takushoku University was victorious at all four of the biggest student wrestling tournaments. In 2010, he was made the Japanese representative manager for the World University Championship.

Sudo was cast in Kamen Rider W Forever: A to Z/The Gaia Memories of Fate (仮面ライダーW（ダブル） FOREVER AtoZ／運命のガイアメモリ) in 2010 as Kyosui Izumi, member of NEVER and user of the T2 Luna Memory. He reprised his role in Kamen Rider Eternal, in Kamen Rider W Returns which was released on 21 July 2011. He has also finished filming his part of the movie The R246 Story.

On 8 April 2010 he received his black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu under Naoyoshi Watanabe at Triforce Academy.

Kickboxing career
Sudo participated in a K-1 tournament in 2002. He lost in the semi-finals. He has had important matches against Masato and Albert Kraus, both going to decisions.

Fighting style
A fighter with unorthodox striking and grappling ability, he has won fights by flashy knockout in both mixed martial arts and kickboxing. Among the unusual techniques that he favors and can use effectively are the spinning backfist, flying triangle choke and flying armbar, as well as dancing and turning his back to opponents to taunt or distract them.

Personal life
Sudo is a practicing Buddhist. He married on 22 November 2007, but got divorced in 2014.

Sudo has written 15 books and has started an amateur baseball team for people 30 and over.

On 1 August 2009, Sudo and his office made an official statement to say information on Wikipedia was wrong. According to their statement, the bout between Sudo and Tiki Ghosn was originally declared a draw which was overturned after Sudo's corner man, Bas Rutten, objected, at which point Sudo was declared the winner and given a medal.

On 25 January 2010, Sudo took the entrance examination of Takushoku University Graduate School and he was admitted to the school on 29 January. He entered the Local Government Course (Master's Program) of the Graduate School of Local Government.

In June 2017, acquired a Divemaster qualification as a scuba diving professional.

In December 2021, he passed the cook exam.

Brazilian jiu-jitsu
Jigoro Kano → Mitsuyo "Count Koma" Maeda → Carlos Gracie, Sr. → Helio Gracie → Rolls Gracie → Romero "Jacaré" Cavalcanti → Alexandre Paiva → Naoyoshi Watanabe → Genki Sudo

Shoot wrestling
Billy Riley → Karl Gotch → Yoshiaki Fujiwara → Masakatsu Funaki → Genki Sudo

Submission grappling record
KO PUNCHES
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 * Loss||🇧🇷 Vitor Belfort || || ADCC 2001 Absolute|| 2001|| 3|| ||
 * Loss||🇧🇷 Rodrigo Gracie || || ADCC 2001 –77 kg|| 2001|| 3|| ||
 * Win||🇯🇵 Caol Uno || Decision || The CONTENDERS 2000|| 2000|| 2|| ||
 * Loss||🇧🇷 Rodrigo Gracie || || ADCC 2001 –77 kg|| 2001|| 3|| ||
 * Win||🇯🇵 Caol Uno || Decision || The CONTENDERS 2000|| 2000|| 2|| ||
 * Win||🇯🇵 Caol Uno || Decision || The CONTENDERS 2000|| 2000|| 2|| ||

Kickboxing record
Legend:

Film actor roles

 * 2002: Madness in Bloom (凶気の桜)
 * 2005: Fly, Daddy, Fly (フライ,ダディ,フライ)
 * 2005: Swirling Fire (鳶がクルリと)
 * 2008: R246 STORY「ありふれた帰省」
 * 2010: Kamen Rider W Forever: A to Z/The Gaia Memories of Fate
 * 2012: Rurouni Kenshin (るろうに剣心)

Original video

 * 2011: Kamen Rider W Returns: Kamen Rider Eternal

Television drama roles

 * Friday Night Drama (TV Asahi)
 * Sky High 2 (2004)
 * Maid Deka (2009)

Titles

 * JOC Cup All Japan Junior Wrestling Championship Winner(1996)
 * Hero's Middleweight Tournament Runner-up

Awards

 * Martial arts
 * UFC 38 Tap Out Award
 * UFC 38 Best Fighter Award
 * UFC 47 Tap Out Award
 * UFC 47 Best Fighter Award
 * Movie
 * Spotlight Award (Short Short Film Festival & Asia 2008)
 * Japanese calligraphy
 * Newcomer Encouragement Award (15th Taisho exhibition)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ANTs Data Server

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was '''DELETE. Every keep vote is a sock'''. Redwolf24 (talk) 01:58, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

ANTs Data Server
Page is currently just a short ad; suggesting it be removed until someone takes the time to write a NPOV article about the subject TroelsArvin 07:09, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete has been edited but seems no better, still has advert style claims. (Oh and the VfD tag was removed after the last edit). Alf 11:33, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete It is just an advertisement. Dottore So 14:25, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Looks fine now Lemiak 00:25, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep revised npov Chachka 19:30, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Robosmobos 14:40, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete or rewrite in its entirety. In addition to the article(s) themselves being almost entirely devoid of factual content, there is a disturbing amount of funny business going on here, including removal of a votes for deletion template, apparent sockpuppets, and false claims being posted to Comparison of relational database management systems. Not cool. --Craig Stuntz 17:02, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

The page has been improved slightly since my request for removal. However, a sentence like "uses 7 patented algorithms in the only parallel trasaction processing enginge that does not use locks at any database level" is still pure maketing rubbish to me. If the article starts to discuss lock-free techniques, it should cover the negative effects it has, or else explain how complete lock avoidance goes along with SQL's highest isolation levels. Also: The claim for "performance 15 times greater than conventional database systems" is 'documented' by a link to a sales article. C'mon... TroelsArvin 09:25, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh - and, by the way - have a look at the Keep-voters. Strange how they have all very recently been created... TroelsArvin 09:33, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * True, and looking at the contributions from those users also shows additional articles with NPOV / factual issues. --Craig Stuntz 14:31, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep Tarvin why don't you revise it? Manifoldtop 01:14, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I might revise it at some point, although I find other topics more interesting. Until someone takes the time to write a proper article, the article should be deleted, in order to support Wikipedias reputation. TroelsArvin 07:11, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Cleanup well this is getting interesting, has anyone actually tried to test it? looks like you can download it here *ADS btw, Troels, you have a really nice sql page there Sqlboy 18:29, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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George Montegu Black II

George Montegu Black II (June 3, 1911 – June 29, 1976) was a Canadian business executive who served as the president of Canadian Breweries during the 1950s. He was the father of businessmen Montegu and Conrad Black.

Life and career
He was born in Winnipeg, Manitoba, as the only son of businessman George Montegu Black Sr. and his wife, Gertrude Maxwell Moffat. He attended the preparatory school Appleby College in Oakville, Ontario, then took a short course at McGill University before attending the University of Manitoba, from which he graduated in 1933.

Black became a chartered accountant in 1937. Following the outbreak of the Second World War, he joined the Royal Canadian Air Force and was promptly transferred to a protected civilian post in the Department of National Defence where he worked as an administrator from 1940 to 1945.

On June 5, 1937, he married Jean Elizabeth Riley (1913–1976), the daughter of Conrad Stephenson Riley. They had two sons, Montegu and Conrad Black.

In his business career, Black took over his father's brewery business (Western Breweries Limited) and later sold it to E. P. Taylor’s Canadian Breweries. He became the president of the latter company from 1950 until he retired in 1958.

Black died at Toronto in 1976 and was buried at Mount Pleasant Cemetery.

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Pro Air

Pro Air was a low-cost airline in the United States founded by Kevin Stamper in July 1997 to serve the centrally located Detroit City Airport in Detroit, Michigan. Its headquarters were in the Lower Queen Anne area of Seattle, Washington.

History
Pro Air charged extremely low fares and experienced high passenger load factors on most of its flights; however, many of its flights were delayed with mechanical and crew problems.

When Pro Air 737s underwent "C" maintenance checks, Spirit Airlines, Pan Am Clipper Connection, and Casino Express operated its flights via charters. A Pan Am Boeing 727 collapsed the fence at the end of runway 33 in at Detroit City Airport (DET) due to having to significantly increase engine thrust because of the short runway takeoff length of 5000 ft.

Pro Air required its initial employees to go door-to-door in the metropolitan Detroit area and pass out flyers promoting the airline. The airline's first flight crew base was located in Indianapolis. Most employees moved to the Detroit area when the Detroit City Airport hub operation commenced in 1998.

Pro Air was in direct competition with Northwest Airlines (which operated a hub at the larger Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County Airport (DTW)) on many of its routes. The airline originally started with a single fare for all passengers, but about 18 months afterwards it implemented tiered fares with advance purchase requirements. It also served full meals in coach (in addition to first class) but scrapped the program after realizing that the cost of the meal accounted for, on average, 10% of the fare that the customer paid. It was known for its signature "hot meal" service (even on the 35 minute DET-MDW route) in First Class along with premium alcoholic beverage service, and was the only airline to charge a mere $2 for beer and wine in Economy class (mixed drinks were $3).

Pro Air pioneered one of the lowest fares on the DET-LGA-DET route at $59 each way (which has since been topped by Spirit Airlines’ $0.01 fares). "Founder's Fares" were offered for returning passengers as a "thank you" promotion. Detroit-area vehicle manufacturers General Motors and Chrysler also had programs in place for their employees and families who flew on Pro Air with discounted fares of $30 each way being available.

On July 2, 2000, a Pro Air pilot taxied a plane into a luggage conveyor belt at Orlando International Airport. No one was hurt, but the plane's left wing was so severely damaged that the Federal Aviation Administration deemed the incident an accident. An investigation revealed that the pilot had ignored a number of signals before colliding with the belt. After a subsequent investigation revealed numerous other safety violations, the FAA grounded Pro Air on September 18, 2000. Pro Air filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy soon afterward, and sought permission to resume operations pending NTSB review. However, the NTSB rejected Pro Air's bid to return to the skies on September 28. Its aircraft were quickly repossessed by the lessor soon afterward.

Destinations
During its existence, Pro Air flew to the following destinations:

 * Florida
 * Fort Myers (Southwest Florida International Airport) – RSW
 * Orlando (Orlando International Airport) – MCO
 * Tampa (Tampa International Airport) – TPA

 * Georgia
 * Atlanta (Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport) – ATL

 * Illinois
 * Chicago (Chicago Midway International Airport) – MDW

 * Indiana
 * Indianapolis (Indianapolis International Airport) – IND

 * Maryland
 * Baltimore (Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport) – BWI

 * Michigan
 * Detroit (Detroit City Airport) – DET – Hub

 * New Jersey
 * Newark (Newark Liberty International Airport) – EWR

 * New York
 * New York City (LaGuardia Airport) – LGA

 * Pennsylvania
 * Philadelphia (Philadelphia International Airport) – PHL

 * Washington
 * Seattle/Tacoma (Seattle–Tacoma International Airport) – SEA

 * Wisconsin
 * Milwaukee (Milwaukee Mitchell International Airport) – MKE

In 1998, Pro Air also operated non-stop flights between Indianapolis and two Florida destinations: Fort Myers and Orlando. By early 2000, it had ceased serving Fort Myers, Milwaukee and Tampa. Due to Detroit City's short runways limiting the amount of fuel the aircraft could carry on takeoff, flights to Seattle and Florida stopped in Chicago and Atlanta, respectively. Passengers could purchase tickets for just the Chicago-Seattle or Atlanta-Florida portions of the flights. Alas, Pro Air flew to ten U.S. destinations: Atlanta, Baltimore, Chicago–Midway, Detroit–City, Indianapolis, Newark, New York–LaGuardia, Orlando, Philadelphia, and Seattle.

Fleet
The company operated a small fleet, starting with two Boeing 737-400 jetliners, and then expanding to three Boeing 737-400 and one Boeing 737-300 aircraft. The 737-400 had a seating configuration of 138 in coach and eight in first class, with slightly increased legroom in both classes when compared to seating offered by major U.S. airlines. Pro Air had McDonnell Douglas MD-90 jetliners on order; however, the airline ceased operations down before the first aircraft could be delivered, but not before it was painted. Just before Pro Air's demise, General Motors (GM) had been in talks to offer their three corporate-configured Saab 2000 turboprop aircraft to the airline, indicating that they would choose which routes and frequencies the aircraft would operate on as Pro Air Express flights; however, the deal was never consummated due to the airline ceasing operations, as well as the abandonment of Detroit City Airport.

Aircraft in fleet:
 * Boeing 737-300
 * Boeing 737-400
 * McDonnell Douglas MD-90 (ordered but not operated prior to Pro Air's shut down of all flights)

Pro Air also chartered aircraft from other airlines as demand warranted including Boeing 727-200 jetliners operated by Pan Am.

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Talk:List of Illyrian tribes

Comments
I take no responsibility for any incorrect forms or tribes incorrectly listed as Illyrian, because I took this list from Illyria as it was compiled mostly by other editors. ---Alexander 007 07:12, 19 August 2005 (UTC) Molosi Kaoni

Listing of Tribes
Briges were Thracian- Dessaretes(Dexari) were Greek as they were Chaones "The Cambridge Ancient History: Volume 6, the Fourth Century BC" by D M Lewis, Martin Ostwald, Simon Hornblower, John Boardman

Quote: however, in central Epirus the only fortified places were in the plain of Ioannina, the centre of the Molossian state. Thus the North-west Greek-speaking tribes were at a half-way stage economically and politically, retaining the vigour of a tribal society and reaching out in a typically Greek manner towards a larger political organization. Quote: In 322 B.C when Antipater banished banished the anti-Macedonian leaders of the Greek states to live 'beyond the Ceraunian Mountains' (plut. Phoc. 29.3) he regarded Epirus as an integral part of the Greek-speaking mainland. Page 443

Quote: The chaones as we will see were a group of Greek-speaking tribes, and the Dexari, or as they were called later the Dassarete, were the most northernly member of the group. Page 423

The Molossians were the strongest and, decisive for Macedonia, most easterly of the three most important Epeirot tribes, which, like Macedonia but unlike the Thesprotians a'''nd the Chaonians, still retained their monarchy. They were Greeks,''' spoke a similar dialect to that of Macedonia, suffered just as much from the depredations of the Illyrians and were in principle the natural partners of the Macedonian king who wished to tackle the Illyrian problem at its roots." Malcolm Errington, "A History of Macedonia", California University Press, 1990.

Thats all for now. Megistias (talk) 00:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

According to "The Illyrian Atintani, the Epirotic Atintanes and the Roman Protectorate", N. G. L. Hammond, The Journal of Roman Studies, Vol. 79, 1989 (1989), pp. 11-25 Dessaretae are Illyrian tribe! Jingby (talk) 07:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

According to "L'Illyrie meridionale et l'Epire dans l'antiquite. II by P. Cabanes"- Author(s) of Review: John Wilkes The Journal of Hellenic Studies, Vol. 115, 1995 (1995), pp. 217-218 - Dessaretae are Illyrian tribe! Jingby (talk) 08:11, 11 December 2007 (UTC) Still they were Chaones thus Greek.They were closest to the border than anyone else but ok.Megistias (talk) 12:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC) Encheleans may have been phrygians(Nada,proeva 1993) at first and have been called sesarethioi as well(strabo Z,VII,8) as well.Megistias (talk) 12:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Maps
The first one is not bad, but it shows only distribution of Illyrian and other (Greek, etc.) tribes in Epyrus. The second is very bad - it's too generalized and therefore incorrect so it gives wrong information to a reader who is not familiar with agenda. Who is the author of it? It can be the part of the article just until better map is found.Zenanarh 18:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with this -- Lopsi are in particular located several hundred kilometers to the south than where they should be. --BerislavLopac (talk) 11:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That was old,the map is updated and last details will be fixed soon.also note that some tribes moved like the scordisci and some other ones.Megistias (talk) 11:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually Lopsi were not discussed in wilkes extensively unlike other tribes .I ll find a source that analyzes more about them.Megistias (talk) 12:06, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid there's not much sources there -- the Periplus of Pseudo-Scylax mentiones the Greek name Aloupsoi in the same area, but this is all I could find. If you manage to find any further sources I'd be glad to hear about them. --BerislavLopac (talk) 11:09, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The size of the letters is the greater issue.I can make them smaller and better their location use but then the map would not be as discernable.Megistias (talk) 12:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Wilkes also mentiones Selepitanoi but doesn't say much about them. Megistias (talk) 12:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I ve got the lopspi i am going the make a mention of the Selepitani.Megistias (talk) 12:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I can make the letters small on the map but then map will be discernible when only full viewed.I had a discussion about that with another fellow about another map i think small letters is better he was right. Megistias (talk) 12:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Synonyms
I suggest we remove the tribal synonyms, they are confusing and ruin the page aesthetics.Double names can be redirected to the page of each tribe after pages have been made for all and second names can be added and listed in each tribe page.Megistias (talk) 16:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Major tribes and subdivisions
Also there are smaller tribes belonging to bigger ones like the Pannonians.We should make a tree for each to alleviate the confusion.Megistias (talk) 16:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Section and Tribes

 * Can someone make the section and link for the tribes and their according paragraphs within the article?Megistias (talk) 16:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Edits

 * This edit diff has the same reference that was removed because it was Unverifiable and in another language.And other refs simplified and bad English and Pov "The modern Albanian name of Ardian linguistically derives from the name of Illyrian tribe of Ardiaei." And too long with redundant info that are already in their respective articles.Megistias (talk) 15:18, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you please see into your latest edit and take into account what i have said?Megistias (talk) 08:18, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This is not a verifiable source."Stipčević, Aleksandar; The Illyrians-History and Culture,".Stop ignoring me.Megistias (talk) 09:28, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Venetic tribes
Histri, Iapodes and Liburni are noted as Venetic tribes in the map, which is not really correct. While concerning Histri there can be some discussion about it, maybe they were really some kind of subtribe of the Venets, this is not objective concerning Iapodes and Liburni. Iapodes were admixture of mainly 3 components: proto-Illyrians (autoctonuous Paleo-settlers), Celts (settlers from the west) and horsemen culture Indo-European groups (settlers from the north). Their culture was admixture of Illyrian and Hallstat. Liburnians were admixture of proto-Illyrians (autochtonuous Paleo-settlers) and Bronze Age I-E settlers from Asia Minor (according to the most of the sources). Liburnian culture was distinguished from others (Illyrians, Venets) - the closest to the Mediterranean (but not so similar to Venetic which was Hallstat), Liburnian language had both components of Venetic and Illyrian, but recognised as such in the ages when they were already Romanized - which is definitely not enough to define them clearly as Venetic tribe. Zenanarh (talk) 17:55, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That map is based in Wilkes view so its correct.Specific data on each tribe can be added in teh tribe's description on the article.Megistias (talk) 21:28, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you find any reliable recent publication on them in general?Megistias (talk) 21:38, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Megistias, we don't need anything more recent than Wilkes. He's good enough. In his book there is a supposition that Liburnian can be linked to Venetic because of some similarities between Venetic and Romanized Liburnian names and toponims. However there are also typical Liburnian names and some that could be linked to Illyrian language there. But he marked it as Venetic-Liburnian language. But don't forget that Liburnian language is completely unknown. But it was used as a link? In the same time archeology never made such relations. Liburnians were extremely maritime culture, Venets were the miners in the Alps. Liburnian settlements were organized in the circles (at the basis of Paleo-settlements), I'm not sure that the same thing was found about Venets. Paleo-component of the Venets were Eugenoi, of the Liburnians were Hytmites. The Bronze Age Indo-European components of the both peoples came from the Middle East or Asia Minor, but not the same. Even Wilkes concludes in the same book that Liburnians were distant from the other peoples in the region and doesn't call them simply Venetic tribe. Venets were under a large Hallstat culture influence, the same never really reached the Liburnian lands. The name of the Liburnian capital Asseria (Romanized form) derived from Illyrian as, which developed from Indo-European ak. The oldest root in the name of Liburnian port city Iadera (Romanized form) was iad, found in the Illyrian territory too, but the most possibly related to some older pre-Indo-European word or name. What you have done in your map is unscientific oversimplification.
 * Imagine for a while, if we would know a little about the Greeks and the Romans, one could conclude that Romans were Greek tribe in the same way, since they took a lot of Greek names, Roman Gods were transfered from Greek Gods, there is some continuation in developement of architecture, etc... But they were not, were they?
 * Apart from language (very uncertain - based only according to 15 Romanized names - definitely not enough for any kind of conclusion) there are no some links between Liburnians and Venets based on archeological and other investigations. Also Iapodes were close to Liburnians, so the same. Impossible to define them as Venetic tribe. Zenanarh (talk) 08:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Mmm i would keep it as it is for now and look into it even more since they did surely have an element and the rest is vague add some more data on their section and/or article.Megistias (talk) 08:46, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually illyrian language is utterly unknown.Megistias (talk) 08:53, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And these are clearly thus in Wilkes "Wilkes, J. J. The Illyrians, 1992,ISBN 0631198075,page 183,"... We may begin with the Venetic peoples, Veneti, Carni, Histri and Liburni, whose language set them apart from the rest of the Illyrians. ...".

OK leave it. Northern Dalmatian-Pannonian languge pools were different from southern Illyrian, or Thracian more to the east. Well, in southern Liburnia (around Iader/Zadar) there were 20 toponims of the cities and locations, just 1 of the Latin origin, 19 Liburnian or undertaken from their predecessors. Analysis by Wilkes is based on personal names from the 1st few centuries CE. That's a little bit problematic in my opinion. You should change colour for Pannonians then. Also Iapodes were equally Illyrians and Liburnians (connection to Venets) according to their names, then high Celtic influnce after 400 BC (by Wilkes). It's not so simple like in your map ;) Zenanarh (talk) 18:44, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Also in general a mix of elements existed everywhere but we are not gonna write CeltoVenetoIllyrioGreekThracian anywhere or dub them Illyrians when we actually know nothing of illyrian language as well.I do with what is at least known not what is assumed by lack of data especially when they are none.
 * To be more simple info like the above you propose can go in the articles.Megistias (talk) 08:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I can certainly extend the legend to include more data but that has its limits but it maybe even more confusing.Integrating such thoughts in the articles and sections first would give a more spherical view to the reader.I recognize the multifaceted cultural image from the migrations but images have their limits.Megistias (talk) 18:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Whatever, you didn't get my point. So again. There were 20 known Liburnian toponims in southern Liburnia, which was central Liburnia in their best ages (9th-7th BC) in Ravni Kotari around Zadar (Iader), including the main port Iader and the capital Asseria. Only one of the Roman Latin origin (a location by Zrmanja river), all other were Liburnian, but none of it ever related to Venetic language?! And analysis of the language similarities was made on basis of the Romanized personal names, just a bunch of it of what some found to the north where it's logical to find Veneti-like names?! Precisely in the territory of the late Liburnia, where Histri were more present earlier? OK it's possible but it would be nothing strange if it appears as just another linguistic zealotry of a short breath. In the same time Ravni Kotari is very rich archeological region, with a lot of archeological locations. Ie Zadar lies on the Liburnian graves in the real sense of meaning. And archeologists never related it to Venets?! Liburnians were always noted as a different tribe in the wide region in comparison to all others. It's wrong to forget these rich archeological evidences. According to archeology Macedonians were related to Greeks, as you said, didn't you? We actually don't know enough to make such simple conclusions (Venetic tribe!) as you've made it in the map. Even Wilkes cautiously call their language Liburnian Venetic. There's also another fact, the name "Veneti" and other similar forms were found everywhere in Europe, so there's also theory that Slovenians (Slovenci) comes from Slo-Veneti. Or Byzantine name from which Slavs (Slaveni) developed - Sclavens, maybe from something like Slav-Veneti. First stabile Slavic state was Caranthania (Austria&Slovenia) in the territory of Veneti! Of course it's stupid to relate Venetic language to Slavic, it's not the meaning of this. So it seems everything is possible, and generalization is the biggest enemy of the modern historiography. This was just to inform you. Hope we'll know better some day. Wilkes is not God, see if there is some possibility of improving the map. Counting Liburnians as Illyrians or Venets is equally wrong. That's the real problem. Zenanarh (talk) 22:07, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You are analyzing Wilkes path to the tribes and the languages and their affiliations.I could add another descriptor on the legend but Wilkes does state the separate liburni and others and we don't really know his full trail of thought.We do mostly trust him.You mention all these things above but he does conclude to set them apart and says they are Venetic peoples.Megistias (talk) 22:39, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What is your simple and definite suggestion?Megistias (talk) 22:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Hmm he sets them apart and says they are Venetic people... while the most of others set them apart but say they are Illyrian (in well known general meaning). So we have conflict between 2 generalizations... Give me some time, I want to check more literacy. Zenanarh (talk) 07:21, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Everyone was "Illyrian" but not everyone is Illyrian "proper" .It really looks fine to me.Megistias (talk) 08:43, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I see future: Venetic "proper" :) Not so fine to me. Zenanarh (talk) 16:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I am for sticking with wilkes and all other details going in the articles.Megistias (talk) 19:51, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Apollonia
I have no idea which of possible Appolonias was captured by Illyrians. Please, could someone disambiguate that? Thanks :-) --Ruziklan (talk) 20:01, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It was a Greek colony in Illyria what are you reffering to?Megistias (talk) 20:06, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Disambig done!Megistias (talk) 20:10, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Messapic
The section "Independent" was silly because many/maybe most of these tribes were independent, though linguistically many would have been identical to other Illyrians. Now Messapi, they were independent of the Illyrians in the Balkans, but it is not agreed that they spoke a language that was not close to Illyrian, the statements of www.linguistlist.org notwithstanding, they have their info wrong in this case. Alex (talk) 09:36, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

title: Talk:List of Illyrian tribes