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Talk:Ajax

Order of importance
Right now this page is the #1 search result for "Ajax"... I'm going to move the computer one to the top. --Joshuadfranklin 22:03, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Why move the computer one, in particular? --Piet Delport 13:24, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

 * AJAX programming technologies are a very prominent topic among the web programming community. I suspect the vast majority of searches for Ajax are looking for this topic.  Just Google "ajax" and see what the top topics are. In my opinion, the programming section should be reinstated and moved to the top.  Anyone disagree? Daveharr 13:30, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * For that matter, the entire sort sequence of this page does not match user's needs, IMO. The programming methodology, the mythological references, the places, and the cleanser are likely far more searched for than the fictional characters, the vehicles, and the bands.  With such a long list of topics disambiguated by this page, we should try to keep the most likely targets for searchers near the top of the page. Daveharr 13:37, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia's primary audience is much wider than just web programmers.
 * The Google search results for "Ajax" don't carry much weight: this is the web, so things are obviously heavily biased towards web programming hits.  --Piet Delport 14:08, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Agreed, but can either of you *really* claim that the Ajax car of 1906 is going to more likely to be the reader's real interest than the programming articles? Common sense tells me that programming, mythology, the places, and the cleanser are *by far* the most common uses of this word in our culture.  Note that I'm not saying the other articles shouldn't be listed - just questioning why a set of vehicles that are all older than 80 years deserves higher pride of place than a current high-priority technology.  Also, IMO, the "this is the web" assertion doesn't carry much weight, since Wikipedia itself shares the same biases. If the consensus is that the current ranking is the most logical, I won't argue more - but so far I don't see any evidence of that. Daveharr 19:55, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

 * A "current high-priority technology", or a catchy, ill-defined popular coinage lacking any permanent connection to the actual underlying technologies, soon to go the way of LAMP and SPA when the next attention-grabbing buzzword comes around?
 * Whichever the case may be, it's not the real issue here. The entry order of disambiguation pages is not merely a popularity contest:  on a page this size, it's just as important to maintain clean, distinct and appropriately-sized sections of related articles, allowing the reader to skip straight to the relevant one.  Sometimes (like now), that means putting the entries of certain prominent, but lone-standing articles in the "Other uses" section, even though some of the entries above it are comparatively obscure.  --Piet Delport 02:55, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree. I added a redirect to the page about the programming interface. Chess2021 (talk) 18:05, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

I have moved Sport higher up, because far more people using this page will be looking for Ajax Amsterdam than any of the Fiction or Music links (and I suspect Vehicles too). Ajax are very famous even outside the Netherlands, have been champions of their country 29 times and have won 15 international trophies including 4 European Cups. I don't know much about programming though, so if someone can make a case for putting Computing above Sport, I am happy for them to do this.

I have also changed the title of this discussion section from Computers to Order. I hope no-one minds; I think my comment fits in with the above discussion, but my comment would look odd if this section still had the title "Computers" (Chorleypie 15:23, 1 January 2007 (UTC))

 * I changed the section topic from Order to Order of Importance and restored the redirect to Ajax (programming). Think about a person searching "Ajax" on Wikipedia. It is more likely to be the programming topic. Chess2021 (talk) 18:00, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Reminder for post-Ajax (Declarative Programming) VfD
A user has placed a WikiLink to Ajax (Declarative Programming) into the list; the article is undergoing VfD right now, since it appears to be non-notable original research created by the same user who has been a bit spammy with links to his own Ajax-technology-related company. Once the VfD is complete, if the article is deleted, we should be sure to restore the section back to its2322222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222rewww44444444444444444444444444444444444 I think we should add a link to Ajax framework under the technology section, i'm guessing many searches will want to go here as well as the main ajax programming page Evanreiser 17:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

A species of sauropod
There is a subspecies of Apatosaurus called A. ajax. Would it be appropriate to add that to the list? -Dipstikk

 * Probably, seeing as it's named after the Greek Ajax. I've added it.  --Piet Delport 04:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Page direction
It would seem to me that a search for Ajax should direct to Ajax (mythology), as everything else named Ajax (possible exception of Ajax the Lesser was named after him...? Do I have conventions wrong? X.spasitel 19:11, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It all depends on what a reader expects to find -- and I would be surprised if even a majority of our readers have ever even head of the mythological character. Being the "originator" certainly adds weight, but it is not the whole answer. Find out more at Disambiguation (where they do the case for Mercury). Ewlyahoocom 03:23, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * In the modern digital world, it is also likely that the user is searching for the programming topic. Chess2021 (talk) 18:02, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Redirect?
Why does it redirect to the programming language? It's not even a very common language. I'd have thought that the football club (Dutch), a disambig to all such football clubs or even the cleaning product would be higher profile than some programming language?--Xania talk 23:41, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Ajax (lower case) is not a redirect. AJAX (all caps) does redirect to the programming topic, but appears to be the only entity on the disambiguation page that might typically be spelled with all caps. Also, it is not a language, but is a rather widely used group of web development methods. Are any of the football clubs typically spelled in all caps? None of the articles indicate this. FWIW, I don't care much whether AJAX redirect to the programming topic or to the disambiguation page, but looking at the edit history for AJAX, it appears to be somewhat controversial, so I would advise against making changes without broad support. older ≠ wiser 00:46, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

"Αἴας" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Αἴας. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 5 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:14, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

"Ajax (Disambiguation)" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Ajax (Disambiguation) and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 24 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 08:54, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/MartianSunset

MartianSunset

I've looked all over and I can't find this image on wikipedia. That amazes me. This is a photograph of a sunsent on Mars, taken May 19th, 2005 by NASA's Mars Exploration Rover: Spirit at Gusev crater. This image was taken from JPL.

 * Nominate and support. - Semiconscious  ( talk  · home) 07:38, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm glad people liked this image. It is such an inspiring image--there is so much meaning encoded within this one simple photograph of a sunset. Semiconscious  ( talk  · home) 03:44, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Support. Very nice. I had never seen that shot before. You'll have my support when voting is enabled. --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark) 14:07, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Support. Wow....very cool. --ScottyBoy900Q ∞ 23:08, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Spectacular. Very evocative.— Encephalon |  ζ   02:29:04, 2005-08-30 (UTC)
 * Support. Powerful. --Tito xd 22:47, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Support - ZeWrestler   Talk 12:12, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Enochlau 03:46, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Great shot of something that very few (if any) of us are ever going to see for real. Raven4x4x 00:36, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. But why is the sunset blue?  Needs supporting interpretation or documentation. Posted unsigned by 208.252.114.94
 * Sunport. Oh yes its-a very nice-a. — BRIAN 0918 • 2005-09-4 17:22
 * Support. It looks appropriately alien. Awe-inspiring when you consider the prodigious effort required to take that shot. --Surgeonsmate 22:52, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Beautiful --Romeo Bravo =/\= 04:02, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Twelve supporting and no opposing votes; I'm promoting this image. Thanks everyone! Semiconscious ( talk  · home) 06:59, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

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Simon Cook (Australian cricketer)

Simon Hewitt Cook (born 29 January 1972) is an Australian former cricketer.

After graduating from the Australian Cricket Academy, he debuted for Victoria early in 1993. He showed promise in the 1993–94 season, taking 30 wickets at 29.5.

He moved to New South Wales in the 1995–96 season. He was a surprise selection in two Test matches against New Zealand late in 1997, despite being considered by some to be not even up to first-class standard. On his debut, he took five wickets in the second innings against New Zealand in Perth.

Soon after his two Tests, which yielded a respectable bowling average of 20 as a replacement for Glenn McGrath, Cook disappeared off the scene fairly quickly due to injuries. He did play four more Sheffield Shield games in that 1997–98 season, including two four-wicket hauls, but in 1998–99 played just two games for just one wicket. He missed the entire 1999–2000 first-class season, and his next match in December 2000 turned out to be his last in the Pura Cup/Sheffield Shield.

Cook retired from all forms of cricket at the end of the 2003–04 season, playing with Victorian Premier Cricket's Melbourne Cricket Club.

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Paul Grayson (cricketer)

Adrian Paul Grayson (born 31 March 1971) is an English former cricketer who played first-class cricket for Yorkshire and Essex. Following his playing retirement he served as Essex's head coach from 2007 to 2015.

Grayson made his first-class debut for Yorkshire in 1990 where he played for five years. Having been released in 1995, he joined Essex and was awarded his county cap in his first season, 1996. Grayson played for England in one day internationals in 2000, at the ICC knock out Competition. He was out for a golden duck, and his five overs went for 20 runs. He played his second ODI a year later, having been chosen for the squad to tour Zimbabwe.

Grayson retired from first-class cricket at the end of the 2005 season, having scored 8,655 runs at 31.70, and taken 136 wickets at 44.39.

In July 2007, he became the head coach at Essex, having previously played for, and coached, their second XI. The Cricketers' Who's Who 2011 stated "Grayson is a progressive coach with sound, modern methods to dealing with today's players. Approachable, reasonable, and quietly authoritative, his coaching style leans on his experiences as a Yorkshire player, and latterly as a canny left-arm spinping allrounder with the county he now coaches". He often talked on BBC Radio Essex during County Championship and CB40 games.

Grayson left Essex by mutual consent in August 2015.

On 30 September 2015 it was announced he would be joining Durham MCC University as their new coach.

On 3 February 2017, Grayson was appointed as coach of Yorkshire Diamonds, on a two-year contract. He later served as a Yorkshire Cricket batting coach between 22 January 2019 and 3 December 2021.

He is the brother of the former professional footballer and manager, Simon Grayson.

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International School of Tanganyika

The International School of Tanganyika (IST), founded in 1963, is an international school in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. The school is an IB World School that hosts the Primary Years, Middle Years, and Diploma programmes. IST operates on two campuses in desirable suburbs of Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. IST Elementary serves children from age 3 to Grade 5 while IST Secondary, 5 kilometers away, serves Grades 6 – 12. IST is fully accredited by the Council of International Schools (CIS) and the Middle States Association (MSA).

Students at IST
IST is a diverse international school currently serving about 1000 students from across the globe: 22% of the students are Tanzanians, 15% American, 10% British, 8% Indian, and the remainder from approximately 60 other nationalities. The Elementary Campus offers programmes for students from age 3 to Grade 5 and the Secondary Campus offers programmes from Grade 6 to 12. IST families are a mix of long-term residents, Tanzanian citizens, expatriates in a growing private sector, and NGO and diplomatic workers from numerous donor countries. To be admitted to the pre-Kindergarten a child must be 3 years of age before September 1.

Scholars from IST have gone to universities such as Georgia Institute of Technology, Berkeley, McGill, MIT, Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge, Yale, Brown, Duke University, LSE, UCL, Princeton, Columbia, Cornell and Stanford.

IST is open to anyone and everyone from all over the world. The school offers preschool for children aged 3–6, Primary school for children aged 6–11 and Secondary school for children aged 11–18. In addition to their academic studies, all students from Grade 6 and up engage in the community service-learning aspect of the IB CAS programme.

Teachers at IST
In the 2017-18 school year, IST has about 120 teachers, including from the US, the UK, Tanzania, Canada and about 14 other countries. IST commits considerable resources to staff development and has a strong, collaborative professional culture.

Academic performance
The average points score for IST students in the Class of 2017 was 34 (out of the maximum possible 45), compared with the worldwide average of 29.95 points. Students in the Class of 2017 earned 7 points (the maximum score possible) in the following higher level subjects: physics, biology, economics, geography, psychology and theatre. Two students earned bilingual (Swahili-English) diplomas.

Special activities
Students and teachers take part in a range of adventure activities including annual treks up Mt. Kilimanjaro and Mt. Meru, trips to outstanding wildlife areas, camping, snorkeling, and sailing activities and beach peer-bonding days. Elementary students partake in overnight trips beginning in Grade 4. All Secondary students in Grades 6-11 annually participate in Extended Study Program week that includes trips around Dar, to Zanzibar and throughout Tanzania. They also have an opportunity to travel outside the country with the Model United Nations program, taking part in The Hague International Model United Nations as well as other MUN trips.

Sports at IST
IST performs in regional ISSEA (International Schools of Southern and Eastern Africa) events in which International Schools from Uganda, Kenya, Ethiopia, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Mozambique and South Africa compete and collaborate in various sports and cultural exchanges such as basketball, volleyball, swimming, poaching, track and field, STEM, Band & Choir, Art & Drama and football.

Notable alumni

 * Yusuf Bakhresa - Managing Director of Azam Media Limited and is a director in the Group Companies.
 * Khalid Bakhresa deceased 2007 - Azam Ice cream
 * Mohammed Dewji - Former member of the Tanzanian Parliament and President of MeTL group
 * Usman Ally - Actor
 * Mariam Naficy - Founder and CEO of Minted, attended IST Elementary
 * Saurabh Khetrapal - entrepreneur
 * Gwamaka Kifukwe - a researcher at UONGOZI Institute
 * Walter Kitundu - music composer
 * Mark Latham - music director at The New Hampshire Philharmonic, attended IST Elementary
 * Sue Stolberger - artist
 * Kali Ongala - Footballer and former coach of Azam FC
 * Magdalena Moshi - Olympic Swimmer
 * Ayush Jha - 2016 NCAA March Madness Winner (GT19 Hopefuls)
 * Sho Madjozi - South African rapper and poet
 * Levi Roach - Medieval Historian
 * Jal Patel - Author

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Caistor Grammar School

Caistor Grammar School is a selective school with academy status in the English town of Caistor in the county of Lincolnshire, England. The school was founded in 1630. It has since grown to be one of the most respected and highest performing schools in the East Midlands. The school has been awarded specialist sports and humanities status. The school attracts students from not only the town of Caistor, but also several surrounding settlements, including Grimsby, Brigg and Market Rasen. The current Headteacher is Shona Buck, who took up the position in September 2022, becoming the school's 28th head. Caistor Grammar was ranked first in Lincolnshire at both GCSE and A Level results in 2017. The school was ranked first at GCSE in 2018 and first at A level and GCSE in 2019. In the 2017 Times newspaper league tables it is in the top ten mixed state schools in the country. The school was named Sunday Times Parent Power State Secondary School of the Year (East Midlands) 2018 in November 2017 and was the named the top school in the East Midlands by the Sunday Times in November 2019. It was also named school of the decade in the East Midlands in 2020.

History
Caistor Grammar School is an endowed school dating from the reign of Charles I. The Dissolution of the Monasteries in the reign of Henry VIII had destroyed the principal sources of education of the times, and the numerous schools endowed throughout England during the following reigns are evidence that public-spirited men recognised the need created and endeavoured to meet it. Among others was Francis Rawlinson, of South Kelsey, who died in 1630, bequeathing money to endow a school at Caistor, and William Hansard of Biscathorpe, who supplemented the original gift in 1634. The monies given were invested in the purchase of land at Cumberworth, and of the rectorial tithes of Bilsby, of which the governors are still lay impropriators.

The original trustees were Sir Edward Asycough of South Kelsey, Sir William Pelham of Brocklesby and Sir Christopher Wray, Lord Chief Justice, and Jonathan Beltwick. Other trustees shouldered their responsibilities from time to time until 1885 when, under the Endowed Schools Act 1869, the Foundation was placed under an elective body of governors, the Vicar of Caistor being an ex-officio member. In 1908 the school was recognised by the Board of Education.

On 11 November 1931 it celebrated its tercentenary in the presence of Sir Arthur Quiller-Couch.

Lindsey County Council, based in Lincoln, proposed to close the grammar school as it decided there were not enough numbers for three grammar schools in the area. On 18 February 1960 fifty-two boys and girls at the schools walked the twenty six miles to Lincoln. They gave a petition to the Council's Chairman, Sir Weston Cracroft Amcotts. Following national press coverage the school was saved from closure.

School buildings
The school occupies a site close to the centre of the small market town of Caistor, with remarkably steep topography. The ironstone school hall dates from 1631, and is still in daily use. The school library alongside is housed in what was the Congregational Church, built in 1842. Casterby House, once a large private house, later one of three boarding houses, and now the Sixth Form Centre, overlooks the churchyard from the south side of the school gates. The name Casterby House is derived from former pupil Sir Henry Newbolt's semi-autobiographical novel the Twymans, in which Caistor is given the name Casterby.

The traditional teaching block dates from the 1930s, but was extended and modernised in 1984. The Manning Building, replacing several prefabricated buildings, was opened in 1984. Two new technology buildings were added in 1993 and 1994. Lindsey House, once a purpose-built boarding house, was remodelled into classrooms and the dining room, and then officially opened in November 2001 by Lord Puttnam of Queensgate. Beech House, traditionally the residence of the headmaster, is now where the site manager lives. There was an additional building, Grove House, but this was demolished because of structural problems.

The school previously owned several other buildings in Caistor, including the "Red House" next to Bank Lane, which were used as boarding accommodation. These have now however been sold off.

In 2010, as part of the Government Building Schools for the Future scheme, Caistor Grammar School secured funding to build an extension to Lindsey House, to provide renovated music facilities, another ICT facility and a room for food technology, something that is new to the CGS curriculum. The funding was secured only days before the scheme was scrapped by the Educational Secretary Michael Gove. The facilities were completed by the following Christmas, and were officially opened by celebrity chef Rachel Green on 24 May 2011. The food technology facilities were removed in 2018 to provide for an extended and remodelled dining area, stemming from the facilities' lack of use.

In 2013, a new science building was constructed adjacent to Lindsey House, named the Olympic Torch Building to honour the five CGS pupils who carried the torch for the London 2012 Olympic Games, as well as Jordan Duckitt, one of the seven young athletes to light the cauldron. A former student donated her Olympic torch which is on display at the main entrance. The building was opened in September 2013 by UK Sport chair Baroness Sue Campbell.

Departments and curriculum
Pupils are taught a variety of traditional subjects and modern languages remain compulsory to GCSE level. The school began delivering the Extended Project Qualification in September 2017. From September 2019, students will study 10 GCSEs. A level Psychology was also introduced in September 2019.

Entry exam
As a selective school, Caistor Grammar School requires prospective pupils to pass the 11-plus. The current exam is set by the school. The first exam is a verbal reasoning paper and the second is multiple choice. The exams are held at the school approximately two weeks apart, and the results are issued up to a month after the last exam. In the event that more candidates pass the exam than there are places available, places are offered first to pupils from within the school's catchment area, which is defined as 6.5 miles in a straight line from the Head Master's Office to the applicant's residence".

Candidates from outside the catchment area are awarded places depending on their score in the examinations. Candidates that pass but cannot be offered a place are organised onto a waiting list. The exams can be retaken at Year 9, but there is no guarantee that the child will get a place, and the only guarantee is that the child is moved to a higher position on the waiting list. Entry to the Sixth Form is dependent on an applicant's GCSE results.

Notable Old Caistorians

 * Joanne Clifton, professional dancer on Strictly Come Dancing
 * Kevin Clifton, professional dancer on Strictly Come Dancing
 * Dawn French, actress (1969–70) when her father was stationed at the former RAF Faldingworth
 * Anne Gibson, Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen, trade unionist
 * Thomas Little Heath, scholar
 * Group Captain Dudley Honor DFC (5 September 1913 - 26 December 2007) Battle of Britain Hurricane pilot with 145 Sq and Aircraftman Vivian Hollowday GC, who was awarded the George Cross for rescuing airmen from burning planes at RAF Cranfield in Bedfordshire; both were boarders, and both played the violin in the school orchestra
 * Sir Henry Newbolt, poet best remembered for Vitaï Lampada

Ofsted
On 22 November 2006, the school was included in the top category by Ofsted, the only Lincolnshire school to be listed. Ofsted inspected the school in 2008, and in its report, awarded Caistor Grammar School "outstanding" (the highest possible grade) in each category. They have recently been inspected (2022) and the school, has been downgraded to “good”.

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List of battles involving Georgia (country)

This is a list of the battles in the history of the country of Georgia.

The list gives the name, the date, the combatants, and the result of the battles following this legend:

(*e.g. a treaty or peace without a clear result, status quo ante bellum, result of civil or internal conflict, result unknown or indecisive)


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Category:United Nations schools

 * Schools primarily educating the children of United Nations staff members.

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Benny Elias

Ben Elias (Arabic: بن الياس; born 15 November 1963 in Tripoli, Lebanon) is an Australian former rugby league footballer who played in the 1980s and 1990s. He played primarily as a for Balmain in the New South Wales Rugby League premiership. He was one of the leading hookers from the mid-1980s until his retirement at the end of the 1994 season. Along with Wayne Pearce, Paul Sironen and Steve Roach, Elias and his Balmain teammates formed one of the best forward packs in the modern era during the late 1980s.

Since his retirement as a player, Elias has pursued media and business interests. He is the uncle of former Wests Tigers and now Parramatta Eels half back Mitchell Moses.

Early life
Elias was born in 1963 in Lebanon to Barbara Elias. The family moved to Australia at a young age.

Early career
Elias was a fan of rugby league from very young days and played his first rugby for Holy Cross College Ryde in the late 1970s as a halfback, representing Australia in the Schoolboys team from 1979 to 1981. He was graded by Balmain in 1981, and transferred quickly to the hooking position where he remained for the rest of his career. When he first played first grade in 1982 his potential as a teenager was immediately noticed, and he developed so well that by 1984 he was widely tipped for major representative honours.

While attending Holy Cross College, Ryde, Elias played for the Australian Schoolboys team in 1979 and 1981.

Representative Debuts
These came Elias' way in 1985 when he played in New South Wales' first team to win a State of Origin series, and was selected for the New Zealand tour that year. Elias was subsequently selected for the following year's Kangaroo Tour, which was undefeated through England and France, however Elias was unable to displace Royce Simmons as the Test hooker.

Elias was instrumental in Balmain's advancement to the NSWRL Grand Final against the Canterbury Bulldogs in 1988, despite experiencing a painful rib cartilage injury during the lead-up to the finals series. Though they lost 12–24 to Canterbury, Elias won the Rugby League Week Player of the Year award (one of only two hookers to achieve this feat). He was selected for the 1988 World Cup, and only a broken thumb kept him out of representative honours in 1989. He was back at his best in Balmain's surge to the Grand Final that year, narrowly missing a vital field-goal attempt in the second half of the overtime defeat by the Canberra Raiders, a game in which Steve Walters began to assert his dominance as one of leading hookers in the game at that time.

State of Origin career
Elias made 19 appearances for the New South Wales State of Origin team between 1985 and 1994 and was named man-of-the-match on 3 occasions ( Game I 1990, Game I 1992 and Game III 1994). Elias played State of Origin with incredible passion and is remembered for his fiery clashes with Queensland hookers Kerrod and Steve Walters. He was honoured later in his career when he captained the Blues in six games in 1990–1991. An enduring image of State of Origin remains from 1992 when with blood streaming down his face he helped NSW to a 14–6 win in Sydney. The nickname given to him by Roy and HG for Roy and HG's State of Origin commentary was "Backdoor Benny" and "The Crimea Look".

In 2005 he was named one of the 25 greatest ever NSW players.

1990s
Elias produced some of his best form during 1990, including:

 * Captaining NSW City in their 28–26 victory over NSW Country in the annual the City v Country match at the Sydney Football Stadium (SFS), scoring one of City's 5 tries on the day.
 * Captaining NSW to their first Origin series victory over Queensland since 1986. The Blues win in Game 1 at the SFS was their first victory over Queensland since the exhibition game in Los Angeles in 1987.
 * Four test appearances on the 1990 Kangaroo tour (two against Great Britain and two against France). Elias was the man of the match in the second Ashes series Test match victory over Great Britain at Old Trafford in his first test match since the 1988 World Cup Final, and scored a try in the third test win at Elland Road. Elias was the Kangaroos vice-captain on the tour.

However, 1991 was largely plagued by injury as Alan Jones replaced Warren Ryan as Balmain coach, and though Elias was fit again in 1992, he could not displace Steve Walters from his Test spot and had many competitors for the New South Wales jersey.

1993 was controversial, hit hard by suspension which prevented his re-establishing his representative career, but in 1994 Elias showed some wonderful form in the State of Origin series (man of the match in the last game) and even at times for the struggling Balmain coached by former teammate Wayne Pearce. Elias missed out on selection on the 1994 Kangaroo Tour, and at age 31, he announced his retirement as a player in December.

Controversy
Despite being diminutive in size compared to many of his opponents, Elias was a tough and aggressive player, and appeared to welcome physical confrontations. Elias and then South Sydney hooker Mario Fenech had a very competitive rivalry until Fenech left South Sydney in 1991. Elias admitted on The NRL Footy Show on 19 July 2007, that during the 1986 Semi-final between Balmain and Souths at the SCG, he was successful in getting Fenech sent off when he bit his own hand and then claimed the bite was done by Fenech. Without Fenech, Souths were knocked out of the finals race with Balmain winning 36–11.

Elias released his autobiography, Balmain Benny (ISBN 1875471332), towards the end of his career, touching on many of the controversial on and off-field incidents in his career.

In 2000 Elias was awarded the Australian Sports Medal for his contribution to Australia's international standing in rugby league.

Post retirement career
Following his retirement, Elias graduated from the University of Western Sydney and became a successful businessman as one of Australia's retail mobile phone sales pioneers and began rugby league radio commentary in Sydney. Elias also became the rugby league pundit for now defunct SBS Television 7pm weeknight sports program in the mid-2000s.

During his playing days, Elias was regularly interviewed. Rugby league journalist Roy Masters referred to Elias as the cliché king for his love, and occasionally incorrect use of, clichés and metaphors.

Elias is currently a member of the Wests Tigers Board along with former teammate Paul Sironen. He is also a member of the advisory board of the Perth Glory FC.

He has two children and lives in Sydney, Australia.

Elias has been involved in the controversial development of the Balmain Leagues Club site, owning a 50 per cent stake in the company behind the development while urging club members to support the proposal.

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Talk:Stilson

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I am moving this from the article to discussion pending verification of some sort:

''Stilson was Enders first love. Because of Enders status as an outcast Stilson continaualy raped him, and over time not only did Ender come to enjoy the expeirience, but came to love Stilson for his huge "manness". Tragicaly though, Stilson was murded at Enders hands when he found out that Stilson was having a gay affair with the teacher''

 * This can be removed entirely, it's purely vandalism, there was nothing even remotely like this between Stilson and Ender. --Visual77 21:24, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

 * That was...hilarious. That was awesome. Hbdragon88 09:42, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

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User:Ryanchristensen

Ryan Neil Christensen also known as "Ryan" or "Batman" is a male human born 7/9/1982 in the sleepy town of Idaho Falls,ID. Born of goodly parents of English and Danish ancestry, he has mastered the art of playing the drums and teaching dogs to play fetch. His brother Tyson Christensen is in college and has mastered playing XBOX.

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Talk:New People's Army

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 15 January 2019 and 21 May 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): GTDExpert.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 05:12, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

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The Second Great Rectification Movement DID NOT initiate killing purges but was a result of the need to stop them which was occuring while JoMa Sison was in prison. He led the SGRM to end the senseless killing by renegade elements.

An intro. to this article, i.e. foundations of the NPA especially in relation to the CPP's formation and Maoist (and indirectly Soviet) influence pervading the Philippines, would be a great addition! Retrospector87 (talk) 18:24, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Article neutrality
Is this article neutral? It appears to me it could use some work. --Peter Robinett 07:47, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Deleted biased terms. --203.87.158.181 11:11, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Removing the extortionist term does not necessarily indicate bias or POV. Since NPA extortion victims are usually rural landlords or business owners, I will add them to the article.

It was not the extortionist term that was removed. The anonymous user was pertaining to this. Anyway, I'd like to know why this particular paragraph was removed. And please try adding --~ to every post you make in the talk pages. --Quess 15:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC) --

I completely agree. This article does not appear to be neutral. Most of the citations in the article are inaccurate and incomplete.

e.g.

1. "On January 5, 2008, at 1 p.m., the New People's Army shot at soldiers along the route of Senator Edgardo Angara in Dinalungan, Aurora. A short time later, Angara, by mobile phone, stated that there is “no more danger to my life.”[10]"

When the Philippine Daily Inquirer article (which was cited as reference for the statement above) clearly stated that the attackers were SUSPECTED NPA rebels and that Angara was away from the area and that his location was "like Manila and Tawi-Tawi". Nowhere in that article did it quote Angara saying that there was no longer danger to his life, he did not even know that there had been an ambush. Angara and the military DID NOT EVEN BELIEVE that Angara was the target of the attack.

2. "In March 2007 Rep. Satur Ocampo was arrested on charges of murder relating to purges within the CPP/NPA alleged to have occurred during the 1980s.[7] "

Read on the Wikipedia article on Satur Ocampo and it will mention that Ocampo's charges have been dismissed.

"Leftists see it as part of a campaign of persecution against them.[citation needed]"

Citation needed? Check the Al Jazeera article listed as citation seven's reference because it clearly states how Ocampo had said "These charges of murder are political harassment and repression and are an attempt to prohibit me from campaigning."

3. Well, I did not bother verifying references 1-3 because they were clearly biased since the New People's army were supposedly against US imperialism. But what was not mentioned in the article was how the "terrorist" classification of the NPA has allowed the peace talk between the government and the NPA to collapse according to the same Al Jazeera article.

'''Please revise that article. And PLEASE check the sources.'''

Vana04 (talk) 17:43, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

NPA and Abu Sayyaf?
I read in another article that the NPA is allies with Abu Sayyaf, is this true? Why would a Communist guerrilla army ally itself with a smaller Islamic fundamentalist group which wants to create an Taliban-style theocracy???
 * Do you have a link to an article? I think those are just rumors... --Quess 18:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah actually it was at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Enduring_Freedom_-_Philippines
 * It just seems to so wierd to imagine an NPA-Abu Sayaf alliance. I am not a Maoist or a Marxist personally, but why would Marxist-Leninist-Maoists who wish to rid the world of all class and social divisions ally with a group that wants to establish a Koranic Theocracy and has even beheaded Catholic school girls for sectarian reasons??
 * please sign your edits, Gocanada --Quess 07:11, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

the npa does not align with the abu sayef but does with MNLF which is different.... but to the US it's all the same i guess....
 * please sign your edits, Peoplestruth --Quess 07:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

AS a MARXIST i completely disagree with the notion of a cpp-npa, abu sayyaf alliance this nothing but a mere fallacy created by the paranoid american propaganda against socialism —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.189.11.2 (talk) 05:56, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

"In 2005 and 2006 renewed fighting between the government forces and Abu Sayyaf guerillas allied with the New People's Army (NPA) hit the south of the Philippines. At the end of 2006 the NPA is estimated to have 7,000 fighters while Abu Sayyaf has 2,000."

That one part in the article that you mentioned that claimed alleged "alliance" between the Abu Sayyaf and the New People's Army has not been backed up by any reliable reference. vana04 (talk) 18:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Weasel words
Restored some edits and asked for citation in some. Also edited out weasel words. I'm still not comfortable with it though as some still smell like propaganda. What do you think? --Quess 16:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Military bases
Where are the military bases of the NPA? In which provinces are these bastards most active in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.4.10.235 (talk) 11:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Ahem, please keep NPOV. (64.229.202.184 (talk) 01:44, 1 April 2008 (UTC))

Equipment
I added an equipment list on this page using another computer. The weapons on that list are simply based on weapons I have seen or heard the NPA use or what I assume they use. Pls help add or correct that list if possibe. PS: the Uzi Im pretty sure the NPA uses that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.37.68.27 (talk) 11:31, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Didn't you put that list on the National Democratic Front's page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.226.172.2 (talk) 03:04, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Use of the abbreviation CPP
After seeing this edit, I looked at the article with an eye to expanding the abbreviation CPP on first use. I found that the lead initially said that the NPA is the armed branch of the CPP and said a bit later that the CPP is the NPA's political organization. I've changed "political organization" to " parent organization" in that latter appearance. The infobox also at one point indiceted that CPP was an abbreviation for "Government of the Philippines". I've changed that to GPH. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:48, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

 * I agree with your use of the abbrev. "GPH", but I would prefer the term "political organization" to describe the CPP's relationship to the NPA. It's true that the CPP "runs" or "manages" the NPA. "Political organization" would describe the exact nature of this parent relationship: the full-fledged apparatus of the CPP as a "provisional" government complete with a ruling structure and an active military Retrospector87 (talk) 03:40, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

 * The original wording "the NPA's political organization, the CPP" seemed to say there that the CPP is a part of the NPA—that's what bothered me in the first place. How about "the NPA's parent political organization, the CPP", "the CPP, the political organization of which the NPA is a part" or "the CPP, the political organization to which the NPA belongs"? Alternatively, how about just saying "pending formal negotiations with the CPP", as the article's lead sentence not far previous clearly said that the NPA is a part of the CPP. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:34, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

 * I get your point. I'd go with the phrase "the NPA's parent political organization, the CPP". Retrospector87 (talk) 04:40, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

 * I made that change. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:49, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Numbers and compensation of victims
Something that I've noticed when doing research on this group is that the only sources on the conflict that I can find are from either the military or the group itself, and both are extremely bias and generally untrustworthy as pointed out by a recent ABC article (I'll link it in a second.) I did however, find a source from neither side that stated that they were about 8000-9000 men strong.

http://www.terrorism101.org/organizations/Communist_Party_of_Philippines.html

Another, more reliable source says over 10,000 and growing.

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/npa.htm

So I'd think that 8000-10,000 is a good estimate.

Also there is a source that I found while researching that stated that they intend to compensate their civilian victims. Though I think that it would be better to find more sources on that one before adding it, not because the source is unreliable but because I think it would be better to give a more complete picture of the story.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/273128/group-to-serve-as-bridge-for-blast-victims-ndf Onthehook (talk) 20:48, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Merge this article with Communist Party of the Philippines and Communist insurgency in the Philippines article?
The New People's Army and the Communist Party of the Philippines are two wings of the same organization. Indeed they are often referred to in press reports in the same breath and with the same leadership, e.g. the NPA/CPP. By merging the articles we could make it clearer how the two wings are related to each other; their similarities and their differences would be side-by-side. Further, both organizations share the same history. The events -- the successes, the divisions, the negations, etc. -- that effected one effected the other. There is not two separate histories. It is duplicating work to have two separate articles with two separated histories. With one article, it could be updated and monitored for NPOV more easily and be more encyclopedic.

There is also a rather pathetic Communist insurgency in the Philippines article, which could be merged into one encyclopedic article. The National Democratic Front (Philippines) also contains little information and could also be added easily to one encyclopedic article.

So, here's a suggestion: merge all three articles into one comprehensive article called "Communist insurgency in the Philippines" which would be primarily a history and analysis of the armed struggle. As part of that article have a section(s) describing how the communist side is organized including sections on the NPA and the CPP, focusing on delineating the differences between the two. --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 01:58, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

World Mathaba Organization
Gaddafi used his World Mathaba Organization to support various revolutionary separatist groups

Hasan di Tiro helped Mathaba and Gaddafi support the Free Papua Movement of Jacob Prai, the Kanak faction in New Caledonia, the South Maluku Separatists, and the Moro National Liberation Front led by Nur Misuari in the Philippines.

Republic of South Maluku Revolutionary Front for an Independent East Timor Papua conflict Free Papua Movement Moro insurgency in the Philippines Kanak and Socialist National Liberation Front

http://books.google.com/books?id=ArvtbBOPwGIC&pg=PT177&dq=mathaba+libya&hl=en&sa=X&ei=swcNU6CtMK_JsQTug4CwCA&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=mathaba%20libya&f=false

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Libyan+terrorism:+the+case+against+Gaddafi.-a014151801

"the time, the Libyan government was reportedly providing military or other support to the East Timor Liberation Movement, the Kanak Socialist National Liberation Front (New Caledonia), and the Free Papua Movement (Irian Jaya) as well as to Muslim guerrillas in the Philippines."

http://books.google.com/books?id=i4h0AAAAMAAJ&q=Hassan+di+Tiro+himself+makes+the+crucial+decisions,+and+runs+a+personal+network+of+contacts+with+the+liberation+movement+leaders+Libya+supports,+among+them+Jacob+Prai+of+the+OPM+(Free+Papua+Movement)+of+West+Papua+and+Yann+Ce-+tene&dq=Hassan+di+Tiro+himself+makes+the+crucial+decisions,+and+runs+a+personal+network+of+contacts+with+the+liberation+movement+leaders+Libya+supports,+among+them+Jacob+Prai+of+the+OPM+(Free+Papua+Movement)+of+West+Papua+and+Yann+Ce-+tene&hl=en&sa=X&ei=eUUKUvjwA8HCywH26IG4Dg&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA

http://books.google.com/books?id=i4h0AAAAMAAJ&q=COLONEL+GADDAFI'S+shadowy+international+revolutionary+organisation+Mathaba,+established+in+the+Libyan+capital+of+Tripoli+and+dispensing+funds+to+liberation+movements+around+the+world,+is+run+by+a+most+unlikely+radical.+Tunku+Mohammed+Hassan+di+Tiro,+a+Sumatran+prince,+fervent+Muslim+and+bitter+opponent+of+Indonesia,+is+the+chairman+of+Mathaba's+political+committee&dq=COLONEL+GADDAFI'S+shadowy+international+revolutionary+organisation+Mathaba,+established+in+the+Libyan+capital+of+Tripoli+and+dispensing+funds+to+liberation+movements+around+the+world,+is+run+by+a+most+unlikely+radical.+Tunku+Mohammed+Hassan+di+Tiro,+a+Sumatran+prince,+fervent+Muslim+and+bitter+opponent+of+Indonesia,+is+the+chairman+of+Mathaba's+political+committee&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BVQhU4y3K-PD0QG0g4GwDg&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA

Title	Pacific Islands Monthly, Volume 59 Publisher	Pacific Publications., 1988 Original from	the University of Michigan Digitized	Sep 15, 2008

http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=COLONEL+GADDAFI'S+shadowy+international+revolutionary+organisation+Mathaba,+established+in+the+Libyan+capital+of+Tripoli+and+dispensing+funds+to+liberation+movements+around+the+world,+is+run+by+a+most+unlikely+radical.+Tunku+Mohammed+Hassan+di+Tiro,+a+Sumatran+prince,+fervent+Muslim+and+bitter+opponent+of+Indonesia,+is+the+chairman+of+Mathaba's+political+committee.+In+an+exclusive+interview+with&dq=COLONEL+GADDAFI'S+shadowy+international+revolutionary+organisation+Mathaba,+established+in+the+Libyan+capital+of+Tripoli+and+dispensing+funds+to+liberation+movements+around+the+world,+is+run+by+a+most+unlikely+radical.+Tunku+Mohammed+Hassan+di+Tiro,+a+Sumatran+prince,+fervent+Muslim+and+bitter+opponent+of+Indonesia,+is+the+chairman+of+Mathaba's+political+committee.+In+an+exclusive+interview+with&hl=en&sa=X&ei=uTdDU8u6FqPu2gXHhIH4Dg&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA

http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=In+an+exclusive+interview+with+Pacific+Islands+Monthly,+at+his+headquarters+in+Tripoli,+he+outlined+Mathaba's+organisation+and+aims+for+the+Asia+Pacific+region.+The+Mathaba+Against+Imperialism,+Racism,+Zionism+and+Fascism,+to+give+the+front+its+...&dq=In+an+exclusive+interview+with+Pacific+Islands+Monthly,+at+his+headquarters+in+Tripoli,+he+outlined+Mathaba's+organisation+and+aims+for+the+Asia+Pacific+region.+The+Mathaba+Against+Imperialism,+Racism,+Zionism+and+Fascism,+to+give+the+front+its+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1DdDU4jIBqLn2AX23YDoDA&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA

http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=The+Mathaba+Against+Imperialism,+Racism,+Zionism+and+Fascism,+to+give+the+front+its+rather+inclusive+full+title,+is+%22the+Libyan+way+of+supporting+liberation+movements,+either+morally+or+financially,+depending+on+the+situation+but+not+militarily,%22+...&dq=The+Mathaba+Against+Imperialism,+Racism,+Zionism+and+Fascism,+to+give+the+front+its+rather+inclusive+full+title,+is+%22the+Libyan+way+of+supporting+liberation+movements,+either+morally+or+financially,+depending+on+the+situation+but+not+militarily,%22+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=p2ZLU_qcL8rmsATY54HQDA&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA

http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=...+with+the+liberation+movement+leaders+Libya+supports,+among+them+Jacob+Prai+of+the+OPM+(Free+Papua+Movement)+of+West+Papua+and+Yann+Ce-+lene+Uregei+of+New+Caledonia's+Kanak+radical+faction,+FUI.K+(United+Kanak+Liberation+Front).&dq=...+with+the+liberation+movement+leaders+Libya+supports,+among+them+Jacob+Prai+of+the+OPM+(Free+Papua+Movement)+of+West+Papua+and+Yann+Ce-+lene+Uregei+of+New+Caledonia's+Kanak+radical+faction,+FUI.K+(United+Kanak+Liberation+Front).&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qWdLU6fqLubisATU-4LABA&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA

http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=the+various+independence+movements+active+across+the+Indonesian+Archipelago,+including+his+own+Aceh+Sumatra+Liberation+Front.+%22We+are+making+advances+against+Indonesia,+both+on+the+ground+and+diplomatically,+with+Fretilin+(East+Timor+Liberation+Front),+the+OPM,+the+Republic+of+the+South+Moluccas;+we+are+all+one.&dq=the+various+independence+movements+active+across+the+Indonesian+Archipelago,+including+his+own+Aceh+Sumatra+Liberation+Front.+%22We+are+making+advances+against+Indonesia,+both+on+the+ground+and+diplomatically,+with+Fretilin+(East+Timor+Liberation+Front),+the+OPM,+the+Republic+of+the+South+Moluccas;+we+are+all+one.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2jdDU6-JLaK92gWL5YCwDQ&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA

http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=%22We+are+making+advances+against+Indonesia,+both+on+the+ground+and+diplomatically,+with+Fretilin+(East+Timor+Liberation+Front),+the+OPM,+the+Republic+of+the+South+Moluccas;+we+are+all+one.+%22They+come+to+Tripoli+sometimes,+but+we+are+always+in+touch,+above+ground+and+underground,+inside+and+outside,+and+I+shall+see+to+it+when+Aceh+wins+so+do+OPM+and+the+Moluccans.%22+Hassan+di+Tiro's+alliance+with+...&dq=%22We+are+making+advances+against+Indonesia,+both+on+the+ground+and+diplomatically,+with+Fretilin+(East+Timor+Liberation+Front),+the+OPM,+the+Republic+of+the+South+Moluccas;+we+are+all+one.+%22They+come+to+Tripoli+sometimes,+but+we+are+always+in+touch,+above+ground+and+underground,+inside+and+outside,+and+I+shall+see+to+it+when+Aceh+wins+so+do+OPM+and+the+Moluccans.%22+Hassan+di+Tiro's+alliance+with+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oGZLU4aCN5W_sQSB2oDICw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA

http://books.google.com/books?ei=2jdDU6-JLaK92gWL5YCwDQ&id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&dq=the+various+independence+movements+active+across+the+Indonesian+Archipelago%2C+including+his+own+Aceh+Sumatra+Liberation+Front.+%22We+are+making+advances+against+Indonesia%2C+both+on+the+ground+and+diplomatically%2C+with+Fretilin+%28East+Timor+Liberation+Front%29%2C+the+OPM%2C+the+Republic+of+the+South+Moluccas%3B+we+are+all+one.&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=Fretilin

http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=Although+Hassan+di+Tiro+is+predictably+coy+about+the+details+of+Libyan+support+for+radical+movements,+claiming+Mathaba+only+provides+money,+reliable+reports+suggest+arms+shipments+have+gone+to+groups+such+as+the+Philippines+Muslim+Moro+rebels.+More+common+are+the+%22training+courses%22+provided+in+past+years+to+cadres&dq=Although+Hassan+di+Tiro+is+predictably+coy+about+the+details+of+Libyan+support+for+radical+movements,+claiming+Mathaba+only+provides+money,+reliable+reports+suggest+arms+shipments+have+gone+to+groups+such+as+the+Philippines+Muslim+Moro+rebels.+More+common+are+the+%22training+courses%22+provided+in+past+years+to+cadres&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VmhLU7X3Gau_sQSEvIKoAg&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA

http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=Hassen+di+Tiro's+way+of+operating+the+Mathaba+Front+seems+to+rely+on+close+personal+links+between+key+leaders.+Of+radical+Kanak+leader+Yann+Celene+Uregei,+he+says.+%22We+are+so+close+they+make+me+their+spokesman+when+they+are+not+here.&dq=Hassen+di+Tiro's+way+of+operating+the+Mathaba+Front+seems+to+rely+on+close+personal+links+between+key+leaders.+Of+radical+Kanak+leader+Yann+Celene+Uregei,+he+says.+%22We+are+so+close+they+make+me+their+spokesman+when+they+are+not+here.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mWdLU_S4KKLesAT8p4LYBw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA

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"COLONEL GADDAFI'S shadowy international revolutionary organisation Mathaba, established in the Libyan capital of Tripoli and dispensing funds to liberation movements around the world, is run by a most unlikely radical. Tunku Mohammed Hassan di Tiro, a Sumatran prince, fervent Muslim and bitter opponent of Indonesia, is the chairman of Mathaba's political committee.... Hassan di Tiro himself makes the crucial decisions, and runs a personal network of contacts with the liberation movement leaders Libya supports, among them Jacob Prai of the OPM (Free Papua Movement) of West Papua and Yann Ce- tene Uregei of New Caledonia's Kanak radical faction,"

"In an exclusive interview with Pacific Islands Monthly, at his headquarters in Tripoli, he outlined Mathaba's organisation and aims for the Asia Pacific region. The Mathaba Against Imperialism, Racism, Zionism and Fascism, to give the front its"

"the various independence movements active across the Indonesian Archipelago, including his own Aceh Sumatra Liberation Front. "We are making advances against Indonesia, both on the ground and diplomatically, with Fretilin (East Timor Liberation Front), the OPM, the Republic of the South Moluccas; we are all one."

Title	Pacific Islands Monthly: PIM., Volume 59, Issues 1-10 Publisher	Pacific Publications, 1988 Original from	the University of Virginia Digitized	Apr 8, 2009

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,964515,00.html

http://books.google.com/books?id=aDgnAQAAIAAJ&q=In+the+past+year+Gaddafi's+agents+have+offered+arms+and+cash+to+rebels+in+Papua+New+Guinea,+encouraged+an+aboriginal+separatist+movement+in+Australia,+shipped+weapons+to+dissidents+in+New+Caledonia+and+tried+to+open+an+office+in+the&dq=In+the+past+year+Gaddafi's+agents+have+offered+arms+and+cash+to+rebels+in+Papua+New+Guinea,+encouraged+an+aboriginal+separatist+movement+in+Australia,+shipped+weapons+to+dissidents+in+New+Caledonia+and+tried+to+open+an+office+in+the&hl=en&sa=X&ei=okUKUvzFJsSEyAGW2YCQDA&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA

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"In the past year Gaddafi's agents have offered arms and cash to rebels in Papua New Guinea, encouraged an aboriginal separatist movement in Australia, shipped weapons to dissidents in New Caledonia and tried to open an office in the"

Other information on Mathaba

http://books.google.com/books?id=Z9ufS6aXctQC&pg=PA211&dq=mathaba+libya&hl=en&sa=X&ei=swcNU6CtMK_JsQTug4CwCA&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=mathaba%20libya&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=HalDb2CfdO4C&pg=PA49&dq=mathaba+libya&hl=en&sa=X&ei=swcNU6CtMK_JsQTug4CwCA&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=mathaba%20libya&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=TcNy985Q-LQC&pg=PA44&dq=mathaba+libya&hl=en&sa=X&ei=swcNU6CtMK_JsQTug4CwCA&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=mathaba%20libya&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=Ec7aAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA16&dq=mathaba+libya&hl=en&sa=X&ei=swcNU6CtMK_JsQTug4CwCA&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=mathaba%20libya&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=Xoftt29B4soC&pg=PA195&dq=mathaba+libya&hl=en&sa=X&ei=swcNU6CtMK_JsQTug4CwCA&ved=0CFMQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=mathaba%20libya&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=9q0BYK7vEHcC&pg=PA195&dq=mathaba+libya&hl=en&sa=X&ei=swcNU6CtMK_JsQTug4CwCA&ved=0CFoQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=mathaba%20libya&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=AwvJI9RAlXMC&pg=PA28&dq=mathaba+libya&hl=en&sa=X&ei=swcNU6CtMK_JsQTug4CwCA&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=mathaba%20libya&f=false

Michael Mansell

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1300&dat=19870422&id=kbNRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=_5IDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5915,391755

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/messagestick/stories/s1104740.htm

http://overland.org.au/2013/10/michael-mansell-australian-of-the-year/

http://www.examiner.com.au/story/470288/gaddafi-loses-touch-with-people-mansell/

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/muammar-gaddafi-was-a-tyrant-and-comic-figure-but-few-were-laughing/story-e6frg6so-1226173440867

http://www.independentaustralia.net/australia/australia-display/understanding-indigenous-sovereignty,3946

http://books.google.com/books?id=a9ppOE30u8EC&pg=PA111#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=AY-gZEaijmsC&pg=PA249#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,964515,00.html

Kanak and Socialist National Liberation Front

http://books.google.com/books?id=aVcG7EkuPgAC&pg=PA345#v=onepage&q&f=false

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 * , Gaddafi funded the organization called Moro Islamic Liberation Front. Not this New People army.  Occult Zone  ( Talk ) 19:49, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

 * Yes he did, Gaddafi funded all three organizations, New People's Army, Moro National Liberation Front, and Moro Islamic Liberation Front.Rajmaan (talk) 19:51, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * If you say so. Anyone is allowed to edit the article, I will probably add a new section about the funding. If you know anyone else other than Gaddafi funding this organization, ping here.  Occult Zone  ( Talk ) 12:11, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

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Under the allegations of foreign support we have two citations, one claiming that China funded the NPA and another claiming both North Korea and the defucnt Malayan Communist Party have funded the NPA. The citation claiming China supports the NPA has no page number and no url making it impossible to verify, and the second citation takes us to a book which doesn't provide any evidence of foreign support. The only evidence for support from China is that they own Chinese rifles. But the NPA also own many Israeli Tavor-21 and American M16 rifles, but that isn't proof that either countries funded the NPA.
 * I cannot find any proof of foreign governments funding the NPA and all my attempts to find a link have given me countless statements by the NPA denouncing China.

If we can't find any proof then I will consider deleting the section and removing mention of Chinese support. I will wait a while so people can read this and perhaps someone can find more evidence. BulgeUwU (talk) 17:55, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

False claims of designation removed
I have removed the false claims of designation by the UK, Canada and Australia. These can be found in many supposedly reliable references such as this, however the actual United Kingdom, Canada and Australia lists do not include the claims. FDW777 (talk) 19:59, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Gabriela Women's Party addition removed from infobox
Firstly as pointed out it's unreferenced, see WP:BURDEN. Secondly, as pointed out it's not mentioned in the article, thus a violation of MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE, which states the purpose of an infobox: to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article. So as it's not mentioned in the article, it doesn't get mentioned in the infobox. FDW777 (talk) 21:39, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Newest update on NPA's Size Count and its Guerilla Fronts
I want to know and change on whats currently in the wiki SymmetricalDoings (talk) 09:01, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you have an independent, reliable source? It would be greatly appreciated. Our current source for now is from Joma himself. An accurate estimate from a third-party would be better. pandakekok9 (talk) 09:27, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Outdated
This article is outdated, by what I read the New People's Army have made peace with the government with the help of Adventist World Radio. They were listening to Adventist World Radio and they have joined the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Catfurball (talk) 16:25, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

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spanish pronunciation
i think it's very weird to include a "spanish pronunciation" of the surname, as the surname is a german one and the spanish pronucniaton rules don't apply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.103.55.201 (talk) 23:55, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * A German surname can still have an established Spanish pronunciation, just as it can have an established English one. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 10:46, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Untitled
Does he speak German fluently?

I assume that it's either his second or third language so it's unlikely that he's a fluent german-speaker. I think you don't get to a fluent-speaking level if the only person you talk to in german is your father. They maybe even speak spanish so you can't tell that he's fluent just because his father is german.

 * wtf???? of course you could become a fluent speaker if you speak a language with your father. I was born in Chile and I speak much better german than spanish, because i speak in german with my family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.103.55.201 (talk) 00:00, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Either way, it's irrelevant until we have a source that he speaks German, fluently or otherwise. – PeeJay 00:11, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Welsh?
When did his father move to Argentina?

User 82.36.23.73 added the text "Somewhat bizarrely, Heinze is able to speak Welsh. He hails from Patagonia, an area where many Welsh people settled in the 19th century and as such the language is spoken to some degree.".

I'm not sure if theres any truth in this, but as far as I understand Heinze was born in the Mesopotamic and warm Entre Ríos Province, far from the Patagonic coldness of Chubut Province where the Welsh people settled. Perhaps his familly moved down there, but I haven't been ablo to find any reference to this.

a few links stating Heinze was born in Crespo, Entre Ríos:, , , If we don't find some info that proves this right, I will removed this text in, say a week. -Mariano 07:49, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

The Welsh thing was mentioned in the Guardian's match commentary this evening, so I had a look round for sources. The best I could find is a profile on the Sky Sports site (marked copyright 2006) which beas a remarkable resemblance to the comment noted above: ''Born to a German father and an Italian mother, Heinze's cosmopolitan make-up is accentuated by his ability to speak Welsh. Hailing from Patagonia, a region inhabited by Welsh settlers in the 19th Century...".  I don't know what's going on, or who's taking info from whom. HenryFlower 19:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

 * An anon user added this on 28 December 2004. There it says he was born in Patagonia to German father and Italian mother. Now, we know he was NOT born in patagonia, and that both parents are Argentine (regardless of their ancestors). Thus, I believe this is a hoax that went outside Wikipedia, and now is hitting us back. I don't believe he speaks welsh, but he certanly has little to do with Patagonia. Mariano (t/c) 10:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I think that's right. That was the only thing the anon added that wasn't from the golaccio article.   My only slight doubt is that it implies that Sky Sports copied it from us, though with journalistic standards today I shouldn't be surprised (harrumph). HenryFlower 10:37, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I'm late to this article, but I have spoken to Manchester United's press officer and am assured that Heinze does NOT speak Welsh - it's an urban myth which has also seen Gabriel Batistuta wrongly described as Welsh speaking in the past too Blogdroed 19:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Heinze is from Crespo, Entre Rios. I know the place and the people fairlry well. There is really nothing to the rumour that he speaks Welsh. His ancestors left germany around the times of the napoleon wars, stayed in a russia for two generations, and left for argentina around 1900. There are not even any german speakers left in crespo. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.109.171.39 (talk • contribs).

 * Note: Falls under original research, please source.  x42bn6  Talk 00:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, x42bn6, I do now understand that this falls under WPOR. Thank you for introducing the concept to me - I am new to Wikipedia. However, my change on the page, regarding Heinze speaking welsh or not, is still relevant. Not because I can confirm that he de not speaks welsh, but because nobody is citing a reliable source that he do. Talking about rumours in the introduction is anyway unapropiate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.109.130.237 (talk • contribs).

 * The reference you removed, actually goes one better and says that he can speak Welsh.   x42bn6  Talk 17:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, your source is totally unreliable, due to two facts: First of all it states in the same sentence that Heinze has a german father and an italian mother. This was confrimed untrue, and removes from this page one year ago. Secondly, it's likely that the information on the skysports page origened in Wikipedia itself - where you will find exactly the same sentence from 2004. Have a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gabriel_Heinze&oldid=20478318 Seems like the hoax started inside here, by someone not citing sources, went out to skysport and hit us back. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.109.130.237 (talk • contribs).

 * "Confirmed"? Either way, I won't revert again because I might break WP:3RR (be careful in case you do).  However, Yahoo! also reports this:  - but we cannot assume SkySports or Yahoo! copied directly from Wikipedia.   x42bn6  Talk 19:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

hi, "confirmed" refered to german & italian parents. But that's another discussion... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.109.130.237 (talk • contribs).

 * But where? I don't wish to push things because WP:BLP is exclusionist rather than inclusionist, but if it can't be determined without WP:OR, then we have a problem.   x42bn6  Talk 20:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Copy
So did we copy the article from this page, or did they copy from us? HenryFlower 19:31, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

 * On further investigation, we clearly copied from them: a late Christmas present from the anon noted above: . If anyone could re-add some of the information in a more legal fashion, that would be lovely. HenryFlower 20:51, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Recent edits
Just reverted a lot of edits/vandalism claiming that Heinze had agreed to join Real Madrid or Liverpool. Darkson (Yabba Dabba Doo!) 17:21, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * He's agreed to join Real Madrid, but the article should keep to Manchester United until the move has been completed. Mattythewhite 19:05, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems as if he has joined Real Madrid - http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={B4CEE8FA-9A47-47BC-B069-3F7A2F35DB70}&newsid=465412. Mattythewhite 19:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

 * It says "Heinze to join". That's future tense. Then it says: "The Argentinian, 29, will sign a contract for the next four seasons and will be immediately incorporated into Bernd Schuster's squad." I believe all of this is good info for a team's website, or a sports magazine. It is not encyclopedic until a contract is signed. All of the anonymous IP flood of posts today were unsourced, and all vying to be the first with the news! WP is not a news site! -- Alexf (t/c) 19:14, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I never read much of it, just the first two paragraphs more or less. Mattythewhite 19:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Needs editting again, as it reads like he's already moved, which according to both the Man Utd link and the BBC link, he hasn't done yet. Darkson (Yabba Dabba Doo!) 00:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Opinions in lead
Unless we can find a source that says Heinze is combative and has good aerial presence, we shouldn't be adding such opinions. – PeeJay 14:51, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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The pronunciation
Hello. I think it's better to transcribe Gabriel [ɡaˈβɾjel] too. And some people pronounce the surname with an initial [x], see and. Do you think we should add a [(x)]? LoveVanPersie (talk) 18:15, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure, why not. Aikclaes (talk) 19:54, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

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Mangalore district
When was it officially announced that Dakshina Kannada would be called Mangalore? As far as I remember undivided Dakshina Kannada(along with Udupi district) used to be informally called Mangalore district.

Tulu is not an official language of Bantwal
Tulu is the regional language of Bantwal. It is not the official language of this town. Simple-man-everyday (talk) 01:57, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

'Tulu Nadu' is not an official region of Karnataka
Tulu Nadu is not an officially recognized region of Karnataka. Tulu Nadu is not classified under the regions of Karnataka. Simple-man-everyday (talk) 01:57, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

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Ryan Neil Christenen
Textbook example of a vanity page. Userfy and Delete. --DrTorstenHenning 07:50, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I was going to userfy it, but since you put a Vfd header on it I'll vote userfy and delete. Zoe 07:51, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, his edit history shows the image and this page are his only 2 contributions and thus promoting himself is likely his aim. Only userfy to people who actually contribute something else too.
 * Userfy and Delete, I have greeted the newcomer and pointed them here. sheesh, what's with the signature today Mgm? Alf 13:07, 25 August 2005 (UTC) (I'm one to talk - sig added.)
 * Delete vanity. The picture is scary. Dottore So 16:42, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Userfy and Delete per Zoe. Johntex 23:34, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Userfy and Delete as per Zoe. Capitalistroadster 23:53, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - vanity - Tεx  τ  urε  21:01, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
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Australian Cricket Academy

The Australian Cricket Academy was founded in 1987 as a joint initiative of the Australian Institute of Sport (AIS) and the Australian Cricket Board (ACB). It was initially located at Henley Beach in Adelaide before moving to the Allan Border Field in Brisbane, Queensland in 2004 and renamed the "Commonwealth Bank Centre of Excellence".

It was designed to be a finishing school for leading young cricketers and is a program within the AIS. It was for some time known as the Commonwealth Bank Cricket Academy as part of a sponsorship arrangement with the Commonwealth Bank of Australia.

The current manager is the retired captain of the Australian women's cricket team, Belinda Clark. At the end of the 2010–11 Ashes series, Troy Cooley become head coach.

Australia

 * Michael Bevan (SA/NSW/TAS)
 * Greg Blewett (SA)
 * Nathan Bracken (NSW)
 * Michael Clarke (NSW)
 * Xavier Doherty (TAS)
 * Callum Ferguson (SA)
 * Adam Gilchrist (NSW/WA)
 * Jason Gillespie (SA)
 * Brad Haddin (NSW)
 * Ben Hilfenhaus (TAS)
 * Brad Hodge (VIC)
 * David Hussey (WA)
 * Michael Hussey (WA)
 * Mitchell Johnson (QLD/WA)
 * Brendon Julian (WA)
 * Michael Kasprowicz (QLD)
 * Simon Katich (WA/NSW)
 * Jason Krejza (NSW)
 * Justin Langer (WA)
 * Brett Lee (NSW)
 * Shane Lee (NSW)
 * Stuart MacGill (NSW)
 * Shaun Marsh (WA)
 * Damien Martyn (WA)
 * Glenn McGrath (NSW)
 * Tim Paine (TAS)
 * Ricky Ponting (TAS)
 * Michael Slater (NSW)
 * Andrew Symonds (QLD)
 * Shaun Tait (SA)
 * Shane Watson (QLD/NSW)
 * Cameron White (VIC)
 * Craig White (Vic & England)

Other

 * Jason Gallian (England)
 * Murray Goodwin (Zimbabwe)
 * Douglas Marillier (Zimbabwe)
 * Martin McCague (England)
 * Suresh Raina (India)

Expellees

 * David Warner (NSW) was expelled in 2007
 * Aaron Finch (VIC) was expelled in 2007
 * Shane Warne (VIC) was expelled in the early 1990s

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fieldbus control system

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Fieldbus_control_system
Article Name too specific, no one will look for this. Information in article has been moved to fieldbus as a general overview for these systems. Links here likewise redirected BjKa 07:56, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * comment you can perform the merge and redirect yourself without posting to VfD, which would be more expedient. Brighterorange 10:46, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Not my field, would anyone search on that title?, what the heck, Redirect.
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Talk:Savonius wind turbine

Error in power formula?
My job is wind turbine engineer (horizontal axis), and normally the power is P = .5*C_P*rho*A*v^3

I don't think that's different for a Savonius turbine. However, if I calculate the C_P that the .36 from the text gives, assuming 1.225 kg/m air density, I get C_P = .36/(1.225*0.5) = 0.59, the Betz limit. I guess someone thought that the Betz limit, which is a theoretical maximum for _all_ turbines, is also the maximum for the Savonius? That's untrue, because it's efficiency it much lower that a horizontal shaft type. From here http://re.buildingefficiency.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/turbine_efficiency1.jpg I get a C_P of max 0.15, almost four times lower. I think someone should adjust the formula or many get disappointed :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.61.120.187 (talk) 16:13, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

The above link to a jpeg (an absence of any citation) doesn't work, so there is no validation of the assertion of lower efficiency.

Also in the power formula discussions in the main article, the assertion that the Savonius is a purely drag device is questionable, for two reasons;

1) any wind current, on striking a vane and exiting, is directed onto the rear of opposite advancing vane, applying some degree of force. 2) there is the potential for some degree of lift being generated by the curved edge of the vane as it advances into the wind current. Donquixote2u (talk) 02:33, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Adjusting the tilt of the blades
has anyone tried adjusting the tilt of the blades as speed increases? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.138.113.88 (talk) 07:57, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * There is no merit in doing so with the Savonius because it relies totally on the differential drag between the two halves. Tilting the blades doesn't really affect drag significantly. Perhaps you'tre thinking of the Darrieus wind turbine which has aerofoil-shaped blades and relies on lift rather than drag. In such a turbine, tilting the blades cyclically can give worthwhile improvements, and has been tried on a small scale. Unfortunately the Darrieus doesn't scale up all that well, not because of the aerodynamics but because of simple centrifugal and cyclic lift forces, which require substantial mechanical structure to withstand - adding cyclic pitch control into the mix would make for a complex and problematic structural design. However, since helicopters have even more complex blade control and they seem to work, the problems are probably solvable, but the current view seems to be that Darrieus type designs are not worth pursuing when the more conventional propellor type is a more understood and mature technology, and which overall gives better results in theory and practice. Graham 23:23, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Link trouble
The first link (about DIY wind turbine) does not work --Jean Yevenes (talk) 18:20, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Commercial link
Link about helixWind turbines should not be there, it's commercial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.66.32.161 (talk) 10:25, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Diagram and dimensions
There is no explaination of D and E dimensions in the third image. Biggerbyfar (talk) 11:20, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Move

 * Not Moved. A redirect has been created. Station1 (talk) 05:38, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Savonius wind turbine → Savonius WECS — I propose to move the article to the name Savonius WECS to allow the article to be used to explain mechanical devices that used the Savonius bladed rotor. See wind energy conversion system (WECS) KVDP (talk) 14:15, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose but by all means add the info that you wanted to add. It doesn't sound like you need to change the name of the article to do that. 199.125.109.138 (talk) 17:18, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose Savonius wind turbine is a perfectly good title - Savonius (name of inventor) wind turbine (what it is). See also WP:COMMONNAME. Mjroots (talk) 10:48, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose Current title is descriptive of the article, proposed title is cryptic. A redirect would be appropriate though.   GB fan  talk 13:13, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Origin Johann Bessler
Since there is no citation of evidence, Johann Bessler should not be mentioned as possible inventor of the original savonius-rotor in this article. In the finnish Biography from Sigurd Savonius is written, that Savonius has been trying to find a way to make Flettners Rotor independent of any artificial Powersupply to serve for it´s inicial Spinspeed of 4 times the Windspeed. As result he found his remarkable simple and in terms of aerodynamics at the same time higly complicated technique. It is not very logico, why Bessler should have had such avanced knowlegde about aerodynamics. Sigurd Savonius, so tells his autobiography, spent Years on the finnish lakes with a small rowing boat trying and testing his invention as a propulsion for ships. He died quiet young of lunginfection, results from this particular investication are - to me - not known.

And anyways, You can be shure, in germany Bessler would be named as Inventor for this concept if there was just a little a chance to it. Bessler is not mentioned anywhere concerning Savonius. There is nothing to be found. To me it seems to be just a bad joke. --Kalinco (talk) 08:00, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

More than a month ago I asked about the Bessler Question here, but no reply. I surched german literatur for Bessler as early inventor of the savonius turbine type. To mention Bessler is nonsens. Proof: Autor Felix von König in his book "Windenergie in praktischer Nutzung" 2. Edition 1978, Udo Pfriemer Verlag, München -ISBN 3-7906-0077-6. He describes a very rich range of historic Windmills in all kinds of application an technique from VAWT to HAWT up to modern times. He mentions the savonius-Rotor as invention made by Sigurd Savonius, Finnland. He also describes ancient Windmills with curves Blades but not the special technique from Savonius, dating from the 17.th century, describedin the book from 1616: "Machinae novae" written by Fausto Veranzio, Italy. There is absolutely no mention of Bessler found Königs book and neither in any other cientific volume to be relied on as proof, that he could have had any relation to Savonius invention. I am going to rectify this part in Your article. --Kalinco (talk) 06:23, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

The gap is not mentioned.
Upon gap zero between buckets, there is firm prior invention in the Butler Ames patent. Ames had zero gap for a rotatable airfoil. The US Navy bounded a study of Savonius at gap 0.0. But at gap 0.0, Butler Ames would be the inventor in a filing in 1908. 68.123.235.180 (talk) 20:31, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Iceland
A company from Iceland has a diffferent design. Setenzatsu.2 (talk) 21:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

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Request For Deletion
I copied the content of this page to a reorganized article about fieldbus systems in general (See my comment on Talk:Fieldbus) as I hold the opinion that the topic should be described there. Links to here habe been diverted there. If you think Fieldbus control system should continue to exist as an own entry, I suggest a redirect to BjKa 07:58, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Vote for Deletion
This article was redirected to Fieldbus as a result of a Vote for Deletion. The discussion can be found here. -Splash 00:27, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

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