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Wikipedia:Customisation

Customisation of Wikipedia allows a registered user to tailor the user experience of Wikipedia according to the user's preferences. User customisation affects only the user's own experience of Wikipedia; it does not affect the reading or editing experience of others. Only registered users can customise their experience of Wikipedia, and the customisation is visible only when the user is logged in.

Among many other things, registered users can customise the appearance of their signature when posting a comment on a discussion (Talk) page. These signature customisations are visible to all users of Wikipedia.

User name and signatures
Your username is displayed in the edit histories of all the articles you contribute to and is linked to your user and talk pages. You choose your name when you first register on Wikipedia and it is usual to stay with the same name throughout your time on the project, though it is possible to request a change of username.

You should always sign your posts on talk pages. Signatures are the text that appears before the timestamp when you put ~ on a page. Signatures are customised using "my preferences" under "User profile"; consider these guidelines when customising your signature.

You can use any wikitext as your signature (simply check the "Treat the above as wiki markup" box). If "Treat the above as wiki markup" is unchecked, the software treats this as your nickname and makes your signature " Nickname (talk) " which is rendered as:

Nickname (talk)

If something goes wrong and your signature stops working, see How to fix your signature.

Preferences
The preferences link, visible to logged-in editors, allows you to change a large number of options. There are 11 tabs (User profile, Math, Editing, etc.), of which two merit further discussion - the "Skin" tab and the "Gadgets" tab.

Skins
A MediaWiki skin is a style of page display. There are differences in the HTML code the system produces (but probably not in the page body), and also different style sheets (CSS) are used.

The default is the Vector skin. There are a variety of user-made skins available for you to browse through.

The special page My Preferences offers a preview of the various skins for the Main page. This is not exactly interesting for typical articles, therefore here's a list of previews for this page:

 * Vector (legacy)
 * Vector-2022
 * MinervaNeue
 * Modern
 * Monobook
 * Timeless

To test other pages replace the pagename in  in the URL. For modern browsers the default  offers a wide range of user customisations.

Here's a table linking the raw CSS and JS for various skins, see also Help:User style for the Common.js and common.css.

These pages are named after the skins. The personal skin file names must be written in all lower-case and without any spaces to work properly, while the default skin files have the first letter in upper-case.

selectskin template
Placing selectskin on a page adds links to switch between different skins easily. This is meant for test pages, not for articles (or other pages in the article namespace). Below is an example of the template's output:

Gadgets
The special page My Preferences has a "Gadgets" tab with a list of custom features you may enable for your account. These gadgets require JavaScript to be enabled in your browser. These tools are not part of the core MediaWiki software, and are generally developed and maintained by users on Wikipedia. Additional gadgets can be added by admins. The page Special:Gadgets shows the underlying user script(s) and/or CSS code used for each gadget.

User scripts
There are many user-made tweaks that allow for easier and quicker editing. These often only work on specific skins. Almost all work on Monobook (the old default) and many have been tested on the new default (Vector), but exercise caution. If you're using a different skin, you should be aware that some user scripts may not work with that other skin.

Many user scripts can be implemented simply by checking a box in the Gadgets tab of "my preferences" (see above). For the remaining ones, you implement them by adding them to the appropriate personal JavaScript page. For example, for editor XYZ, using the default Vector skin, the page to be edited (and created, if necessary) would be User:XYZ/vector.js. Such pages can only be edited by the owner of that userspace (in this case, XYZ, regardless of who created the page) and by admins.

Incomplete list of pre-made customisations:

Personal CSS
In addition to a personal JavaScript page, you can also have a personal page that uses Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) to modify the appearance of Wikipedia pages. As with JavaScript, the name of the page that the MediaWiki software will use depends on the skin you're using; the default is vector.css. So, for example, editor XYZ could add personal CSS code to the page User:XYZ/vector.css.

As with user scripts, the Gadgets tab of "my preferences" (see above) may include a personal CSS modification that you're interested in; if so, you can simply check a box rather than editing your personal .css page.

Hiding specific messages

A common use of a user's CSS file, requiring direct editing, is hiding certain template messages. For example, you can hide Template:Editnotices/Namespace/Category (which appears when editing a category page) by adding

into Special:Mypage/skin.css, which identifies your current skin's CSS file (open in new tab/window to see). If you use multiple skins, e.g. for a different desktop versus mobile look-and-feel, you can place that code in Special:Mypage/common.css so that it applies to all skins.

Note: you need to track down the specific id the relevant message uses; in this example, the ID is "category-namespace-editnotice". You may need to look at the wikitext of the message (e.g. the fmbox template, used to build many template messages, has two possible parameters you might see used,  and  ). If you don't see it, try asking at the Helpdesk.

See the below for a list of commonly hidden elements.

Tidying up the user interface
The following CSS code can be used to hide numerous user interface elements which may be of no use to some users :

The following JS code can be used to hide the languages toolbar :

In VisualEditor, to remove the edit summary help and license warning from VisualEditor's confirmation window, use this in CSS :

Replacing labels
To replace 'User page' with 'User', 'Talk' with 'Discussion', 'View history' with 'History' add in JS :

When using VisualEditor, if you wish to replace the edit links labels, use the following JS code, and change the labels to your preference :

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Hi!

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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User:Mpatel/sandbox/Light cone

In special relativity, a light cone is the pattern describing the temporal evolution of a flash of light in Minkowski spacetime. This can be visualized in 3-space if the two horizontal axes are chosen to be spatial dimensions, while the vertical axis is time.

The light cone is constructed as follows. Taking as event $$p$$ a flash of light (light pulse) at time $$t_0$$, all events that can be reached by this pulse from $$p$$ form the future light cone of $$p$$, whilst those events that can send a light pulse to $$p$$ form the past light cone of $$p$$.

Given an event $$E$$, the light cone classifies all events in spacetime into 5 distinct categories:

 * Events on the future light cone of $$E$$.

 * Events on the past light cone of $$E$$.

 * Events inside the future light cone of $$E$$ are those which are affected by a material particle emitted at $$E$$.

 * Events inside the past light cone of $$E$$ are those which can emit a material particle and affect what is happening at $$E$$.

 * Events in the absolute elsewhere of $$E$$ are those that can never be affected by $$E$$.

If space is measured in light-seconds and time is measured in seconds, the cone will obviously have a slope of 45°, because light travels a distance of one light-second in a vacuum during one second. Since special relativity requires the speed of light to be equal in every inertial frame, all observers must arrive at the same angle of 45° for their light cones. This is ensured by the Lorentz transformation.

In general relativity, the future light cone is the boundary of the causal future of a point and the past light cone is the boundary of its causal past.

External link

 * The Einstein-Minkowski Spacetime: Introducing the Light Cone
 * The Paradox of Special Relativity

Con de llum Category:Astrophysics Category:Relativity

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Pictures at Eleven

Pictures at Eleven is the debut solo studio album by former Led Zeppelin singer Robert Plant, released on 25 June 1982 in the US and on 2 July in the UK. Genesis drummer Phil Collins played drums for five of the album's eight songs. Ex-Rainbow drummer Cozy Powell handled drums on "Slow Dancer" and "Like I've Never Been Gone." On the song "Fat Lip", guitarist Robbie Blunt played a Roland TR-808 drum machine. The title was an often-heard phrase in US television news that would follow a brief announcement of a story of interest to be shown later during a station's 11 PM news program. Pictures at Eleven is the only one of Plant's solo albums to appear on Led Zeppelin's record label Swan Song. By the time of Plant's next release, 1983's The Principle of Moments, Swan Song had ceased to function, and Plant had started his own label named Es Paranza, which would also be distributed by Atlantic Records. Rhino Entertainment released a remastered edition of the album, with bonus tracks, on 20 March 2007.

Critical reception
In a contemporary review for Rolling Stone, Kurt Loder wrote, "even though there's nothing new going on in these grooves, the sheer formal thrill of hearing someone who knows exactly what he's doing makes Pictures at Eleven something of an event almost in spite of its modest ambitions." Robert Christgau from The Village Voice was impressed by Plant's ability to recreate Led Zeppelin's aural sensibilities with duller musicians and catchier undertones, but ultimately found the music somewhat insignificant.

Personnel

 * Robert Plant – vocals
 * Robbie Blunt – guitars, Roland TR-808 on track 6
 * Jezz Woodroffe – keyboards, synthesizers,
 * Phil Collins – drums on tracks 1–3, 5, 8, all bonus tracks
 * Cozy Powell – drums on tracks 4 and 7
 * Paul Martinez – bass guitar
 * Raphael Ravenscroft – saxophone on track 3

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The Hunters (1996 film)

The Hunters (Jägarna) is a Swedish thriller film directed by Kjell Sundvall, which was released to cinemas in Sweden on 31 January 1996. A police officer from Stockholm moves back to his hometown Älvsbyn in Norrland, in northern Sweden. He starts to work on a long-running reindeer poaching case and soon discovers that his brother is involved.

The film was one of the biggest Swedish box-office hits ever, grossing over $6 million, and received two Guldbagge Awards for Best Direction (Kjell Sundvall) and Best Supporting Actor (Lennart Jähkel). It was also nominated for Best Actor (Rolf Lassgård), Best Cinematography and Best Screenplay.

Hollywood wanted to make a remake of this film, and the American producers wanted it to be about cowboys in the Nevada desert, shooting wild horses for fun. Kjell Sundvall agreed to this at first but later changed his mind.

A sequel, The Hunters 2, premiered in September 2011. A television continuation, The Hunters, of two seasons was broadcast from November 2018.

Plot
Erik (Rolf Lassgård), a Stockholm police officer, reunites with his relatives upon the death of his abusive father in Norrbotten, where his brother Leif (Lennart Jähkel) still lives. We learn that the control the father exerted over the family had resulted in Leif's giving up singing (despite being clearly talented), and instead remaining at home with his father.

Suffering from post-traumatic stress after justifiably killing a man while on duty, Erik has been transferred to the local field office. Erik soon starts to suspect that his brother's friends, led by the half-Finnish Tomme (Jarmo Mäkinen), are involved in large-scale illegal hunting of reindeer and moose. Erik is frustrated by the local police's unwillingness to deal with the problem, but as events unfold he discovers illegal weapons in Tomme's car outside a pub and decides to intervene. Tomme is close to assaulting Erik when he is saved by his brother. It is later revealed that Leif in fact leads the illegal hunting, but has been keeping this a secret from his brother.

The police come under increasing pressure as the local community grows more angry that the poaching case has not been solved. Erik continues to spy on Tomme, and after breaking into his house, discovers illegal guns and numerous animal carcasses. Before Erik can alert his colleagues, he is attacked and knocked unconscious.

Leif decides to suspend operations until further notice because of the increased police interest in the case. Several members of the gang are unhappy about this, as they have taken on large financial commitments such as car loans. Pursuing a big raid to recover the lost income, Tomme accidentally shoots and kills a Russian bilberry worker. Another bilberry worker witnesses the dumping of the victim's body and car in a lake. Leif chases her and fatally slits her throat. Unaware that the murder of the woman has been seen by Ove, a kind but intellectually disabled childhood friend of Erik's, the five men decide to keep silent instead of going to the police.

Erik suspects his brother is hiding something. Erik intervenes when the gang racially and sexually harasses a Filipina barmaid, Nena, at the local bar. Later, Erik and Nena spend the night together. Erik leaves Nena in the house while he attends a ceremony to receive an award for having returned to his hometown. While Erik is out, Leif and his gang arrive at the house and, after verbally abusing Nena, they rape her on the kitchen table. Nena then disappears, and it is later revealed that she returned to the Philippines. Erik, meanwhile, tries to have Tomme's wife betray her husband and tell him something, but she refuses.

Upon the arrival of a female prosecutor from Stockholm (Helena Bergström), the body of the Russian woman is found. With information from Ove, the police find the body of the male Russian, with a fragment of the bullet lodged within it. Erik tells Ove to stay inside and keep his door locked, but Leif and the others, having been tipped off by Erik's police partner that Ove is the witness, arrive at Ove's house and take him out in the woods for what they say is a hunting trip but is in fact an execution.

Erik and prosecutor Anna arrive too late, as the gang has "accidentally" shot Ove. A short time before, Erik had found out that Ove was his and Leif's half-brother.

Unable to prove that Ove was murdered, Erik is forced to find the rifle used to shoot the Russian to secure a conviction for this killing. In a final stand-off Erik is fired at and nearly killed by Tomme, but Erik manages to hit Tomme with an iron bar. Tomme is arrested.

Leif gives Erik 200,000 Kronor (which is his share of their father's estate) and asks Erik to let him turn himself in. Erik agrees, giving him one hour to do so and then leaves. Rather than turn himself in, Leif then kills himself by blowing up their childhood house. Erik returns to Stockholm, trying to pursue another life than that which his father and his brother had attempted.

Cast

 * Rolf Lassgård as Erik
 * Lennart Jähkel as Leif
 * Jarmo Mäkinen as Tomme
 * Tomas Norström as Ove
 * Göran Forsmark as Håkan
 * Rolf Degerlund as Eilert
 * Editha Domingo as Nena
 * Helena Bergström as Anna
 * Thomas Hedengran as Stig
 * Roland Hedlund as Bengtsson
 * Ove Tjernberg as Söderberg
 * Åke Lindman as Chefen

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Black swallower

The black swallower (Chiasmodon niger) is a species of deep sea fish in the family Chiasmodontidae. It is known for its ability to swallow fish larger than itself.

It has a worldwide distribution in tropical and subtropical waters, in the mesopelagic and bathypelagic zones at a depth of 700 –. It is a very common and widespread ocean fish; of its genus, it is the most common species in the North Atlantic.

Description
The black swallower is a small fish, averaging between 15 cm to 20 cm (6 to 8 in), with a maximum known length of 25 cm. The body is elongated and compressed, without scales, and is a uniform brownish-black in color. Its head is long, with a blunt snout, moderately sized eyes, and a large mouth. The lower jaw protrudes past the upper; both jaws are lined with a single row of sharp, depressible teeth, which interlock when the mouth is closed. The first three teeth in each jaw are enlarged into canines.

A small lower spine occurs on the preoperculum. The pectoral fins are long, with 12–14 (usually 13) rays; the pelvic fins are small and contain five rays. Of the two dorsal fins, the first is spiny with 10–12 spines, and the second is longer with one spine and 26–29 soft rays. The anal fin contains one spine and 26–29 soft rays. The caudal fin is forked with 9 rays. The lateral line is continuous with two pores per body segment.

Dentition
The black swallower has a unique set of teeth. Specifically, it has fangs that are incurred and almost fully straight. Usually, the fish has multiple fangs, whereas the second one tends to be the largest. The black swallower also has mobile fangs, which means that these fangs are loose in their sockets, and can help in damaging and chewing prey.

Feeding

The black swallower feeds on bony fish and cephalopods, which are swallowed whole. With its greatly distensible stomach, it is capable of swallowing prey over twice its length and 10 times its mass. Its upper jaws are articulated with the skull at the front via the suspensorium, which allows the jaws to swing down and encompass objects larger than the swallower's head. Theodore Gill speculated that the swallower seizes prey fish by the tail, and then "walks" its jaws over the prey until it is fully coiled inside the stomach.

Black swallowers have been found to have swallowed fish so large that they could not be digested before decomposition set in, and the resulting release of gases forced the swallower to the ocean surface. This is, in fact, how most known specimens came to be collected. In 2007, a black swallower measuring 19 cm long was found dead off of Grand Cayman. Its stomach contained a snake mackerel (Gempylus serpens) 86 cm long, or four and a half times its own length.

Reproduction
Reproduction is oviparous; the eggs are pelagic and measure 1.1 – in diameter and contain a clear oil globule and six dark pigment patches, which become distributed along the newly hatched larva from in front of the eyes to the tip of the notochord. These patches eventually disappear and the body darkens overall to black. The eggs are mostly found in winter off South Africa; juveniles have been found from April to August off Bermuda.

The larvae and juveniles are covered in small, projecting spinules.

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User:Callum

I'm no longer active here, it's many years since I made any updates.

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Wikipedia talk:Customisation

Comment
One of the main ideas behind this new project page is to try and bring together things that help with the customisation of Wikipedia (cool!) and, in particular, the English language Wikipedia. This has been inspired by discussion at WP:TS and other areas whereby many people have called for decent information about using CSS to override the template style and use their own preference. Not being a Wikipedia CSS guru I've left that bit for now, but I've made a start and hope that others can add some CSS and JavaScript tweaks that they find useful. violet/riga (t) 14:25, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Relationship to WikiProject User scripts
Maybe the JavaScript tweaks section could just be a link to WikiProject User scripts, unless you think there is some major difference. We are not so user-friendly as this page(yet), but we would be delighted to work on it, and linking that section to us would help and encourage us(and everyone) to help do this. Thanks! JesseW 07:41, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I certainly see you guys as being the main people behind this page, and I think that it would be great to have this as a showcase for the final versions of your work. violet/riga (t) 21:17, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Question about templates in signatures
I'm wondering why it is OK to have User page templates but not to have regular templates (Re: the more complicated options). Isn't it the same amount of stress on the server if the same template is loaded thousands of times for the signature, even if under a User subpage? Wouldn't a better suggestion be to use: ? Then it only loads when the signature is made. Am I missing something here? -- MicahMN | μ 06:16, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is possible to use a template in a signature any more. It gives me this error: "Your signature contains one or more reserved expressions; please remove them." Please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think it is possible to use a template, and I'm going to remove it from the help page. -- MicahMN | μ 15:54, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup request
I'd like to suggest a merge of the tiny bits of scattered (some outdated) information at meta:Help:Preferences and meta:Help:Preferences and meta:Help:User style and Customisation to a single location. thanks :) --Quiddity 00:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Lost amethyst
JFTR, this was an old discussion on WP:VP/T, now archived -- Omniplex 08:13, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

The skin amethyst was apparently deleted, I had recommended it on Customisation for legacy browsers without CSS. There should be a skin not depending on CSS magic doing its stuff the old way with pure XHTML, no WP:HIDE tricks, if possible no unnecessary translations of HTML 3.2 entities to UTF-8, and proper name= anchors for <references/>.

Willing to help test and maintain a legacy skin: Omniplex  12:41, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

 * The skin was removed because it had something wrong with it, if memory serves. I expect the exact reason is detailed in the release notes for 1.6 or the commit logs. 86.134.49.239 22:11, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

 * 1) it looked terrible, 2) it was monumentally broken in every browser I tried it in, 3) the author didn't seem to have any interest in fixing or maintaining it. It would have been particularly ugly in browsers with poor CSS support; try the old Classic or Nostalgia skins, or the totally-blank-slate MySkin for that. --Brion 00:43, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Apparently I was "moved" to Classic, no problems with that - I could do without the "insert UTF-8 char." JavaScript zoo on my legacy browser with (normally) disabled JavaScript 1.1, but nice to have for legacy browsers would be a waste of time. However a hidden reset-button would be fine to accelerate the insertion of action=raw results, poor man's variant of external editor. Omniplex  02:02, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Personalization
I can spend hours and hours trawling through Wikis. Sometimes I would start from flags and end up in British Royalty. I wish there was a way for users to rate articles by their interest (1 to 5 stars) and some algorithm searches for articles that would interest the user. I'm thinking something similar to what Netflix is doing with their recommendations.

Or maybe a way for people to list their favorite articles and for other people to look at them. like del.icio.us —This unsigned comment was added by 67.190.108.94 (talk • contribs).
 * Some good ideas. The place to propose them would be Village pump (proposals) so more people get a chance to discuss them. :-) --Quiddity 07:41, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

How do i ad a picture Veneranda R (talk) 23:42, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

incorrect spelling of customisation??
is that spelling supposed to be like that or is it misspelled? Dfritter4 04:50, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's the British English spelling. See Manual of Style for the guideline. :) —Quiddity 06:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The page is called Customisation but the first paragraph has (only) 'Customization' multiple times. According to the guideline I'll fix the consistency.  Mike   Blackney  00:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, this may be because of the many years that have passed, but I'm not sure that I see anything on the manual page that indicates "Customisation" is preferred over "Customization" in this particular case. Also, consistency is still broken currently since the first word of the article uses the latter spelling. Should we treat the title as it is and simply change the first word, or perhaps consider a renaming? Harmoniker666 (talk) 07:59, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You are replying to a 16-year-old thread whose most recent comment was in 2009. But to answer your question, whichever spelling came first in the edit history (American or British) is the one to be retained, per WP:RETAIN. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:48, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Sig help
The Updat e r discussion

How do I turn this into my proper sig? And why does burgundy look like pink?...The Updater 09:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Esperanza has disbanded, so you should remove that element. For the rest, see Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages and How_to_fix_your_signature. Burgundy isn't a specified color in Web_colors. Please ask help questions at the Help desk in the future. Thanks. —Quiddity 20:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Go and Search buttons in Chick skin
Please excuse the cross posting -- not sure where this belongs.

The Go and Search buttons on the Chick skin spill over into the edit box (in which I am currently typing).

Could they be moved beneath the Search box (directly above the Toolbox label).

Robert Greer (talk) 14:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Customisation: Minority language fonts and variants
Could the CSS for an individual language Wikipedia be altered so as to change the base font, or provide somehow an option of two?

Does a customisation of an individual User just affect the text on their UserPage, or could it be worked so that that the font choice feeds through to any page that User views on the particular Wikipedia?

I am hoping to head off a vicious edit war that is endangering the whole of one minority language Wikipedia!

Howard Alexander (talk) 21:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

HTML Test Page for Skins?
I was been looking for a dummy HTML test page so that I can test CSS changes without having to every single different page to see how all the elements are rendered.

Even if such a thing is not updated, it would greatly the development of new skins as it would minimize the need to load every single special page to find that one element, etc. LynxSnowCat (talk) 15:58, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Creating a page
Can't create page or locate where to start Carbadise (talk) 12:07, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * See How to create a page. --Jules  (Mrjulesd) 12:11, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

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Mohre

Mohre is a 1987 Indian Hindi movie directed by Raghuveer Kul. It starred Nana Patekar, Madhuri Dixit in lead roles. The pair later worked together in Vinod Chopra's Parinda and his own directorial debut, Prahaar. This film also starred Sadashiv Amrapurkar, Anupam Kher among others.

Plot
Abdul is a truck driver plagued with severe alcoholism and depression that causes him to want to end his life. One day another truck driver shows him a newspaper advertisement that offers help for suicide-ridden youth. Abdul decides to try them out and travels all the way to the countryside. Once there he is joined by four other youths, including a printing press proof-reader, Prakash Raikar; a young woman, Maya, who had been molested and hates men, as well as two other males, which include Sunil, who is gay. They meet with the person who placed the advertisement, a wheelchair-using former Indian Army Major Vishwas Sawant and his assistant, Vasu Mudaliar. The two are escaped convicts by the names of Jagga and Badri, that seek their patient's deaths.

Cast

 * Nana Patekar as Abdul
 * Madhuri Dixit as Maya
 * Sadashiv Amrapurkar as Badrinath Chawla "Badri" / Vasu Mudaliar
 * Anupam Kher as Jagmohan Sharma "Jagga" / Major Vishwas Sawant
 * Aloknath as Father Braganza
 * Nilu Phule as Social Worker
 * Shreechand Makhija as Mr. Makhija
 * K. K. Raina as Prakash Raikar
 * Jayshree T. as Courtesan

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Talk:Civilizations in Babylon 5

Question re: Minbari temperature intolerance
What is the source for this:
 * "Minbari die if exposed to temperatures above 30 degrees Celsius for too long."

I can't remember hearing or reading about this anywhere.

A question about references
Does WP policy provide that fictional subjects not need references? Thanks. WVhybrid 22:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No. The guideline on citing sources does not specify any exceptions for fictional subjects. Pat Berry 22:44, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Remaining Minor Races Merge
I propose that the remaining minor races: Abbai, Gaim, Markab, Pak'ma'ra, and Vree should be merged into the article as many other minor races were merged into. The positive side to doing so would be to give a more concise, and encylopedic entry of the races (which would remove a lot of the cruft that already exists in many of the articles) and bring them to manageable lengths. Radagast83 22:07, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's fine with me, but I'd tag the articles with the mergeto template and wait a while before performing any merges, so that people are made aware of your proposal and have a chance to respond. - EurekaLott 15:17, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That was my next step. Done it. Radagast83 03:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that this acticle deserves, and should remain in, its own independant page. Nubula 10:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Dilgar
Where did this article's information about the Dilgar come from? There's only one episode of the series ("Deathwalker") that provides any details about them, and virtually none of this information comes from that episode. What is its source? Pat Berry 22:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * JMS wrote/planned substantial notes beyond what is directly contained in the series. It's likely this material is added in roundabout, indirect means from these original sources. --Eyrian 23:02, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Or perhaps somebody just made it up. Unless this material is substantiated by published quotations from JMS, he can't be cited as the source. Pat Berry 23:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's consistent with the canon material from the Babylon 5 Wars rulebook. --Eyrian 23:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Drazi Sky Serpent.JPG
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Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

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Fair use rationale for Image:Drazi Sunhawk at Zagros.JPG
Image:Drazi Sunhawk at Zagros.JPG is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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Gaim appearance not based on Sandman
It is widely believed that the appearance of the Gaim was inspired by Neil Gaiman's Morpheus in his helmet. But when I went to find a source for this claim, I discovered that belief to be false. JMS said in 1995 that the Gaim's headgear is "mainly an extrapolation on an alien breather based on WW II style gas masks", not a reference to Dream's helmet. (In fact, Dreams's helmet is also based on old-fashioned gas masks, via Sandman (Wesley Dodds), so it's natural the two look similar.)

OTOH, I didn't find anything from JMS about whether the name is an allusion to Gaiman. I expect it is, so I've left that claim in the article with a fact tag. Does anyone have any firm evidence?

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Unless sourced this is obviously not encyclopedic and just speculation. Gonna keep trimming and sourcing as I can. tyvmPudge MclameO (talk) 07:28, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

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Super League Greece 2007
The new article about the new Greek Championship.A new era begins.--Michael 11:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Some vital changes and contributin that should be made
Hey guys,please in the Greek football box change the name of the league into Super League Greece and try to find the Super league Logo to add it both to the article and to the box.Last but not least,wherever you find the name Alpha Ethniki or Greek National Divison change it into Super League Greece.Thank you.--Michael 10:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

who can i change the box about greek football??

Should we mention the 2 week suspension?
?? Reaper7 02:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

WWII years vandal
According to this (official) link, between 1941 and 1945 no championships were held. How on earth can we stop this vandal from adding fake titles?--KaragouniS 14:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

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SEGAS
its official from 1905. Segas ofcourse is official. Are you crazy??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.72.179.55 (talk) 13:08, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

 * SEGAS championships are not recognised as official. When you look at the Greek Champions, Ethnikos or Goudi are not listed. If you want you could create a separate article for the SEGAS Championship but it has nothing to do with the Panhellenic Championship, Alpha Ethniki and Super League, so you should not start an edit war in another one article, like you recently did- Sthenel (talk) 13:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

dear IP user, next time you'll revert edits, you'll be banned from Wikipedia for breaking the Three Revert Rule. Plus the edits you made are not correct, as EPO officialy recognizes only the championships after 1927. -- KaragouniS : Chat  16:14, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Seasons in Super League
Apollon Athens has 37 seasons in super league 85.74.173.200 (talk) 21:38, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

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Kala p dn xereis ellinika n s vrizw oso thelw #baby#xe xe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.161.194.33 (talk) 22:44, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Pan-hellenic Championship 1940-41 and 1942-43
I found the articles [Pan-hellenic Championship 1940-41], [Pan-hellenic Championship 1942-43]. What must we do about them? Sportin (talk) 12:24, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Final position
Finally, which one is considered the final position of the teams, that of the regular season or after play offs? We cannot say all the time that a team finished 2nd in the regular season and 4th in the play offs. One position is supposed to be the final one. Which one? The play offs determine the final place in the league or just the qualification to the European Cups? - Sthenel (talk) 22:37, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

The final position is the one after the play-offs (no doubt). That's why the play-offs exist. Psyrras Panagiotis 10:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinis smooth (talk • contribs)

Move to 'Superleague'
The logo and official website have it as one word.--Jeff79 (talk) 16:41, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Done.--Jeff79 (talk) 09:29, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Thermaikos
Thermaikos Thessaloniki is not the same with Thermaikos Thermi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.176.124.221 (talk) 15:12, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Panargiakos
Panargiakos have not played in the top league since the national league was created in 1959. Please delete all references to them in this article. Irlandos (talk) 09:12, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Aek
Aek Athens is a team based in ...Athens(i thought this was self explained). Nea Filadelfia is just one of the many municipalities of greater City of Athens — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.87.156.164 (talk) 04:42, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

I will change it, are you from Greece ?--Alexiulian25 (talk) 17:50, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Old seasons
Someone who knows Greek language to update / create the old seasons! Thanks!--Alexiulian25 (talk) 17:50, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

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Segas titles
Here www.greeksporhistory.blogspot.gr/2009/01/1894-1896.html .--77.49.32.79 (talk) 18:48, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Aris
Why is Aris not included in the Performance by Club and Performance by City? 83.80.18.68 (talk) 14:38, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Corruption section
There is a persistent removal of content by new user Montigliani, who first used the following description to justify his action: "Removal of vandalism. These additions are based on unreliable fan forums and no relationship with the Greek Championship over time." It goes without saying that the content is cited by high end sources, including the BBC, Guardian and many other reliable media. Montigliani doubled down this morning, this time with no reason. Dynasty Power (talk) 13:35, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

 * There are entries about the modules you add. But they have no place here and never existed before. no one has ever been convicted by Olympiakos. On the contrary, he was acquitted in all the cases he was accused of. In a league with a 100-year history, only the performances of the teams and not your hatred for a club and its president have a place. Montigliani (talk) 16:44, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The nature of corruption in Greek football is very well documented by international media and academic researchers. Dynasty Power (talk) 12:40, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The issue is what business it has in the article of the Greek league. There are other other articles on these topics (2015 Greek football match-fixing scandal, Evangelos Marinakis). From what I can see, you have updated them properly. Olympiacos and its president were acquitted of all the cases that his opponents accused him of.  Montigliani (talk) 13:13, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Source
https://www.gazzetta.gr/specials/2308366/horis-emas-den-tha-ypirhe-o-olympiakos-i-agnosti-istoria-tis-protis-omadas

Βρισκόμαστε στις αρχές Αυγούστου 1923. Η ομάδα του Πειραϊκού Συνδέσμου, η οποία πριν από μερικές εβδομάδες είχε κατακτήσει τους τελικούς Αθηνά, Πειραιά και Σμύρνης επικρατώντας και στα τέσσερα παιχνίδια κόντρα σε Παναθηναϊκό, Πανιώνιο, Απόλλωνα και Πειραϊκή Ένωση, επιβιβάζεται στο ατμόπλοιο «Χίος» με προορισμό τη Θεσσαλονίκη. Εκεί πρόκειται να αντιμετωπίσει τον Άρη για τον τελικό του πρώτου επίσημου πρωταθλήματος Ελλάδος. Ο αγώνας είναι προγραμματισμένος για τις 12 Αυγούστου, ενώ για έδρα ορίζεται στο γήπεδο του Ηρακλή στις Σκαμνιές. Ο τύπος της εποχής ασχολείται εκτενώς με το παιχνίδι. «Ο αγών ούτος, ο πρώτος δια το νεοσυσταθέν Πανελλήνιον πρωτάθλημα προμηνύεται πεισματοδέστατος. Εις τους συμπολίτας μας δίδεται η ευκαιρία να συγκρίνουν την πρόοδον του Ποδοσφαίρου εν Παλαιά Ελλάδι και εν Μακεδονία. Ο αγών ούτος θέλει επιρεάσει σοβαρώς την εκλογήν της Ελληνικής Εθνικής Ομάδος διά τους Ολυμπιακους Αγώνας των Παρισίων» σημειώνεται σε άρθρο της εφημερίδας Μακεδονία. 2A02:586:813D:2A2F:7DD0:9BC8:776:F439 (talk) 08:09, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Corruption and violence
Hi, everyone. The two sections within the body of the article delve into a highly pertinent and widely acknowledged aspect of Greek football, extensively documented by various sources over the past decade. Initially introduced by a user previously banned for misconduct, this substantial section was later inexplicably removed. The questionable and continuous removal was attributed to the user's ban status, which is a rather arbitrary reason considering the wealth of credible citations supporting the content. Such actions raise questions about the understanding of Wikipedia's guidelines, veering into the territory of vandalism. It's imperative to note that the section in question addresses a longstanding and extensively reported issue within Greek football, making its removal without substantial consensus both puzzling and unjustified. While consensus-driven edits are encouraged, the current state of affairs underscores the importance of preserving well-researched and widely recognized content, despite its origins. EverLove124 (talk) 09:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

 * First of all you are lying as you are a user yourself, so a puppet. Secondly. You could put these two sections in without undoing previous users' edits, but you don't. Thirdly, why are you limited only to the scandals of the last decade and not to all the scandals of Greek football? And last. The entries of all national leagues refer only to the performances of teams and footballers. There are separate entries for the various scandals. You simply have a personal problem with the president of Olympiacos and Olympiacos in general and you are trying to tarnish his history. Wikipedia means neutrality which you don't have and therefore your editing is not accepted. Montigliani (talk) 16:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * There is no explanation of the removal and once again you are accusing me of being a puppet without running a checkuser as per WP policy. Feel free to bring any other scandals that should be mentioned without erasing cited content without any consensus. EverLove124 (talk) 16:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * No discussion with you makes sense. You don't answer anything I asked you and you do whatever you want. Also no checkuser is needed for you. The administrators know who you are and you will receive your reply soon. Montigliani (talk) 16:47, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I've asked you three times now what specifically you disagree with regarding the cited content. In just a few sentences, you disputed the existence of scandals without addressing any inaccuracies in the citations provided. I extended an invitation for you to contribute to my addition, hoping for a constructive exchange, but unfortunately, it hasn't materialized. Let's wait and see who responds. Your actions seem akin to vandalism. EverLove124 (talk) 21:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Anyway, you look a lot like the user here User:Dynasty Power. You are all the same I would say.
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Super_League_Greece#Corruption_section
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Super_League_Greece#Corruption_and_violence
 * Montigliani (talk) 23:41, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Further subdivision of the Championship from 2005
The Greek championship is divided into three sections, which are also listed in the article:
 * Panhellenic Championship (1927-1959)
 * National League (1959-1979)
 * Professional League (1979-present)

A further subdivision of the Professional League from 2005 or 2019 is unnecessary, as these only include changes to the league name and have not changed the format of the league. I would agree with @Abudabanashere, with whom you are in an edit war on this topic. Miria~01 (talk) 13:38, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

 * But I disagree. I think a league with no playoffs is different than a league with extra playoffs. Why bother with most of the details, since the essence is the same. I don't change the champions, but I explain in detail how champions were made. Montigliani (talk) 09:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * But that's just your personal view without any evidence that any medium describes it that way. It's a clear WP:OR. Point to at least one source that shares your point of view.
 * See also:
 * https://www.gazzetta.gr/football/superleague/2335552/katektise-4o-protathlima-tis-istorias-toy-o-paok-i-hrysi-biblos-ton
 * Miria~01 (talk) 15:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * And who told you that the gazzeta.gr is a reliable source? This is a reliable source: https://www.slgr.gr/el/management/ which says that:The Cooperative was founded in July 2006, in the form of a civil Limited Liability Cooperative in accordance with the provisions of Law 1667/1986 and Law 3479/2006 on the "Establishment, organization and operation of sports professional associations and other provisions". Members of the Cooperative are the Football Corporations (P.A.E.).
 * The main activity of the Cooperative is the organization and conduct of the football championship of professional football A' National category, in accordance with the regulations and decisions of the Hellenic Football Federation (E.P.O.) and the above international football confederations (U.E.F.A., F.I.F.A.).
 * Before 2006, the organizer of the championship was Hellenic Football Federation. After 2006 we have another organizing authority. The Super League.
 * So stop vandalizing with your friends. Montigliani (talk) 15:41, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Montigliani The organiser was ΕΠΑΕ since 1979, not the HFF. What happened in 2006 was that the ΕΠΑΕ was dissolved and transformed into the Super League. The teams remained Limited companies, the players are professionals and the format is the same. The change of the name is already mentioned and also the addition of playoffs/playouts occasionally. For the first season we had no playoffs, then for some seasons we had for pos. 2-5, then again for some years we had none, the last years we have for pos. 1-6. All that are unnecessary details for someone who simply wants to understand what is the difference between Panhellenic/National/Professional and how the Greek Championship evolved. The SL is part of the Professional League section of the Greek Championship. Abudabanas (talk) 16:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Unnecessary details in a correct entry do not exist. On the contrary, it is a big mistake to omit important things, such as: league without playoffs, league where the champion emerges after playoffs. Then let's integrate all the championships from 1927 to the present in one category. Montigliani (talk) 18:00, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Montigliani It is more important for you to mention if a season in 2008 or 2018 had play-offs or not, rather than help someone understand what is the difference between a Panhellenic Championship (1927-1958) and a National/Professional League (1959-79-present). To help someone truly capture the evolution of the Greek Championship Abudabanas (talk) 18:33, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Miria~01 Need your help on this with reporting for resolution, admins etc. There is no way he will stop reverting and do his own thing. Abudabanas (talk) 18:28, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Miria~01 What is the Greek Super League? It is simply the name of the league since 2006. A change of the name. The SL is a professional league. The same goes for all the league editions since 1979-80. The players are professionals, teams are limited companies, the format remained the same. A national round-robin tournament. Followed occasionally by playoffs/playouts which is the only difference and is already mentioned. The differences between Panhellenic/National/Professional are the most important and should be clearly shown and available to every reader in my opinion. These are the 3 sections of the Greek Championship as it evolved through the years. It is also how the Greek Championship was presented in the official HFF site (Πανελλήνιο/Εθνικό/Επαγγελματικό meaning Panhellenic/National/Professional). I don't know why that link is recently dead though. The most popular website gazzetta.gr wrote exactly the same thing. Abudabanas (talk) 15:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Final stage playoffs of Panhellenic Championship (1927-59) named as top division
I find that totally wrong. A top division was established in Greece in 1959. The final stage playoffs between the winners/top ranked teams of the Regional Leagues should not be named top division participations. There was no top division and no team was relegated to a 2nd division. There were regional leagues and final stage playoffs. To back up my point of view I will present the following: i) In the List of unrelegated association football clubs article, the historical considerations section explains in detail the differences in many countries between older league formats with regional leagues - final stage playoffs and the present ones which are national round-robin tournaments. ii) Watching a Greek derby on TV during the last 30-40 years, all broadcasting channels (NOVAsports/Cosmote or SKAI/MEGA in the past) when they show tables of the results history between 2 teams, they never include matches before 1959 in the statistics. Even if it is AEK-Panathinaikos or Aris-PAOK for example. They met in the past multiple times in their Regional Leagues and also in the Final Stage playoffs of the Panhellenic Championship (1927-59). The same goes for the official Super League website, bookmakers, betting info websites or sports websites. All of them do not include the results before 1959 and do not consider them as division matches because there is a huge difference. The format was different. We have a National League, a Top Division since 1959. Before 1959, there was a championship tournament containing two stages. The Regional Leagues which were simiral to present qualifying rounds and the final stage playoffs who determined the champion. iii) I will give an example on why a table presenting a first season appearance in Panhellenic Championship final stage as a first season in top division is false in my opinion. The season of the inaugural Greek Championship 1927-28. Aris faced PAOK in the Thessaloniki Regional League. Aris finished 1st and PAOK 2nd. Aris qualified for the final stage playoffs of the Championship. The previous table which I altered showed: Seasons in top division, Aris 1 / PAOK 0. How is that possible when they faced each other that season? If I am a foreigner with little knowledge in Greek football history who reads this table, I will falsely presume that there was a top division where Aris was playing and PAOK was playing in a lower one. I simply corrected that and wrote the table like this. Seasons in Panhellenic Championship Final Stage, Aris 1 / PAOK 0. I find that accurate. And the same goes for all seasons where Panathinaikos qualified from the Athens Regional League and AEK did not or the opposite. I did not delete the total appearances in the final stage of the Panhellenic Championship of each team. I changed the table where it is characterised as top division appearance in order that it is presented more properly and in a more accurate way. Anyone who disagrees can write down his opinion on the matter. Thank you Abudabanas (talk) 10:22, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

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King Biscuit Flower Hour Presents Ringo & His New All-Starr Band

King Biscuit Flower Hour Presents Ringo & His New All-Starr Band is a live album by Ringo Starr released on 6 August 2002.

Overview
Starr's All-Starr Band was always evolving. While Mark Rivera remained from the previous band, the new players for the 2001 US tour here include Emerson, Lake & Palmer's Greg Lake, Mott the Hoople's Ian Hunter and - bringing a more updated sound to the proceedings - Supertramp's Roger Hodgson, Howard Jones and former Prince bandmember Sheila E. Starr naturally has the biggest share of the songs, performing his classic hits from the 1960s and 1970s - with the relatively recent "Don't Go Where the Road Don't Go" from 1992's Time Takes Time, with all his celebrity guests each having their moment in the spotlight.

Reception
King Biscuit Flower Hour Presents Ringo & His New All-Starr Band was fairly well received by the critics upon its August 2002 release, though again, it failed to reach the charts.

Personnel

 * Greg Lake – bass, vocals, acoustic guitar
 * Howard Jones – keyboards, vocals
 * Ian Hunter – guitar, vocals, piano
 * Roger Hodgson – guitar, vocals, piano
 * Sheila E. – drums, percussion, vocals
 * Mark Rivera – saxophone, guitar, bass, keyboard, harmonica, flute, percussion, vibraslap, backing vocals, musical director


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dr. Shankar Dayal Sharma

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was ALREADY REDIRECTED to Shankar Dayal Sharma. -Splash 02:08, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Dr. Shankar Dayal Sharma
Page already exists Shankar Dayal Sharma. Normally we would ask this page to be merged with the target but in this case the page in question has negligibly new information to be worthy of a merge. Hence the vfd. Manik Raina 14:29, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Shankar Dayal Sharma would surely be the obvious solution? Halo 14:33, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect speedily. No need for a WP:PFD — be WP:BOLD! Pburka 15:24, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect is fine by me. Alf 19:08, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I am going to redirect .. Thanks, Manik Raina 19:25, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect, for above reasons. --Bhadani 14:35, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
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A Stranger in the Mirror

A Stranger in the Mirror is a 1976 novel written by Sidney Sheldon. The novel is one of the earliest of Sheldon's works, but contains the typical Sheldon fast-paced narration and several narrative techniques, with the exception of a twist ending. The novel tells the life story of two fictitious Hollywood celebrities - Toby Temple and Jill Castle (roman à clef on Sheldon's acquaintances Groucho Marx and Erin Fleming) and portrays the emotional extremes of success and failure and how people inevitably become victims of time. It was adapted into a television film in 1993 starring Perry King, Lori Loughlin, Christopher Plummer, and Juliet Mills.

Plot summary
A retired captain recalls the cruise where he decided to retire, which involves the famous celebrity, Jill Castle. The book then goes back to the beginning of the lives of the two main characters: Jill and Toby Temple.

Toby's main influence growing up is his mother, who pushes him to always do better and leads him to believe he is destined for fame and greatness. After running away to Hollywood to avoid a shotgun marriage, his delusion of being naturally funny and charming is shattered when he struggles to start his career as a comedian. Eventually, after years of hardship, he becomes a successful star through the help of Clifton Lawrence, a celebrity producer, though he has become an egomaniac who destroys the careers of anyone with the slightest fault against him, and has to have everyone around him dependent on him, including Lawrence, whom he forces to drop all of his other celebrity clients.

Jill, born Josephine Czinski, leaves her hometown of Odessa, Texas for Hollywood after she learns that her boyfriend, the wealthy David Kenyon, is engaged to another woman, Cissy, the morning after he nearly proposed to Jill himself. In reality, David's mother and Cissy trick David into thinking it would be a temporary marriage just to please his mother, but he fails to tell Jill about this. She discovers the difficulty of being an actress with no connections and, after being drugged into participating in a pornographic film, decides to start earning better roles in exchange for sexual favors. After a failed attempt at reuniting with David, who misses their rendezvous after Cissy attempts to kill herself, Jill returns to Hollywood and ends up working for the Toby Temple Show.

Toby is attracted to Jill, unaware of her promiscuous reputation. They bond over their humble beginnings and Toby marries her, despite Lawrence's warnings. Jill manipulates Toby into destroying the careers of those who have used her in the past, and then ends Lawrence's career (since he refused her a meeting when she was an unknown) by becoming Toby's manager. Lawrence learns about Jill's porno film, but is unable to show it to Toby. Toby enjoys Jill's new role as his manager, seeing her resemblance to his mother, but he suffers a stroke that leaves him paralyzed with an estimated few years left to live. Jill's determination to help him and his miraculous improvement earns public approval, making her more famous than Toby. She reconnects with David, now a divorcé, and while they agree to be friends, she secretly loves him still. Toby relapses into another stroke, this time marring his appearance and paralyzing him completely, though this time he is estimated to live for another 20 years. In frustration, she tells a paralyzed Toby that she does not love him anymore but, as a result, begins to have nightmares about his moving eyes. She decides to drown him and stage his death as an accident, and while she is not charged with murder, Lawrence does not believe her story.

Lawrence hears of Jill's low-profile wedding to David Kenyon and suspects her of murdering Toby to be with him. He follows them to their honeymoon cruise and forces David to watch Jill's pornographic film. David's racist history is revealed, and he beats up Lawrence. David leaves on a helicopter, while Lawrence gloats about his victory to Jill. Jill, depressed, hallucinates and sees Toby's face in the water and hears his voice beckoning her to come to him. She jumps off the boat to be with him.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Linton Roberson

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was KEEP. -Splash 02:09, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

John Linton Roberson
I'm of two minds. It's all verifiable, I've pulled an extensive edit on the page, but it still has that smell of vanity. I'm not sure if the published work for eros is notable, the e-book isn't a major publication that set the world alight, he's not currently a huge name in comics, and so I bring it here. Hiding talk 14:31, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - there's really nothing here, just self-publication and "e-books", neither of which indicate an encyclopedic level of success as an author. CDC   (talk)  17:54, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. I've left a message on List of cartoonists talk page (which, for some reason is the target of the Cartoonist talk page redirect, {whatever}), pointing here. comment by User:Wiki alf.
 * Keep - Is the Wiki Comics Project about being completist or being a hall of fame? If being self-published disqualified you from being considered a professional cartoonist, many alternative cartoonists would be disqualified. Self-publishing is very common in comics, and Roberson has published others under his imprint too, and has been working in the field for close to a decade. I would also add that the comics references in Wikipedia are, in general, at present biased heavily toward mainstream comics with far less on alternative creators. Is this an oversight or reflective of a prejudice against non-mainstream cartoonists? Just because he hasn't worked for Marvel or DC doesn't mean he isn't a cartoonist, and incidentally, why has the stub reference been removed? I vote against deletion. gilesgoat talk 16:31, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. It's not the self publishing that excludes Roberson, see my statement above for my reasoning.  I removed the stub template because the article is not a stub, it's a fairly decent article given the subject.  I don't think he'd need to have worked for Marvel or DC, but I don't think the body of work he has produced at present deems him worthy of an encyclopedic entry. Feel free to prove me wrong.  I tend to see Wikipedia as falling in between completist and hall of fame.  And to be honest, if all you need to be to be a professional cartoonist is a self-published one, then I need to change my job description, having also self published comics.  I think the description professional cartoonist means one earns one living at it.  And look, if one does the old google test we get 56 hits.  That's not huge is it? Hiding  talk 21:31, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. This guy seems notable enough for me, has longevity, and his self-publication is definitely not of the vanity kind. Requiring cartoonists earn a living from cartooning would exclude a very large number of people wiki covers. Sdedeo 21:35, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Most cartoonists not working for the majors don't make a living at it. It's the work that matters. Roberson did a 252-page graphic novel, still works in the field, and is a very active presence in the comics community. And if you had done a google search under his full name, which he always goes by(because there's a lot of Robersons, after all), you'd have found a lot more hits Also, there are a lot of alternative cartoonists who turn up fewer hits because they have no web presence. The e-book in contention, incidentally, got a lot of notice within the community and included about 30 very notable people, as it was a benefit for EPICURUS and JOURNEY creator Bill Loebs. It wasn't a small thing. According to the info on it, it was done as an e-book only to minimize expense so LOebs would get most of the money.- gilesgoat talk 21:35, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Comment, You know, I half suspect you're John himself. I googled the way I did to reduce chaff, your search is a lot less specific.  I do however appreciate everything you say, but, I still want the community to decide, is this entry and person of encyclopedic quality. As to Roberson being active in the comics community, how so do you mean? Hiding  talk 22:24, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Nope, I'm not, but I am very familiar with his work. I question too the misapprehension that self-publishing is vanity in comics. It's very, very common in that field. As far as how active he is, I see him commenting on issues in comics all the time in various places and he's much more prolific than you might think. I dunno. But excluding him because he self-published PLASTIC is silly. It's not the scale, it's the work, and he's produced a lot of work and still does. And why does work on Eros count against him? I've seen it, it's good. Dirty but good. gilesgoat talk 22:30, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment, I have made no link between vanity and self publishing. I am suggesting the article is a vanity article. I am excluding him for having a lack of impact on the comics field. Hiding  talk 22:48, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Comment How is it a vanity article if he didn't write it himself? All the info in it--and the original entry it was whittled down from--was drawn from stuff already on the web that I'd seen before, for my own part. gilesgoat talk 22:54, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment The article was created by an anon, so it isn't provable that he didn't write it himself. Second, all the information in the article isn't verifiable on the web.  I could not find his birth date listed anywhere on the web, and would suggest this information is the sort of thing only the person in question is likely to know. I removed most pieces of information I was unable to source, please compare this edit to the current one.  No sources for most of the information were given, so are unverifiable. Hiding  talk 23:01, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Comment All I know is that I've seen that information before, as well as the picture, which I've seen at least a year back on his writers.net profile. I've made as much of a case as I can. As far as I can tell the main reason for removing him seems to be that he's not as well-known as some. To me that's not a legitimate reason, but that's my opinion. I may seem partisan but I go way back as a fan of his--I was a subscriber to PLASTIC.

Incidentally, just thought I should add: there seems to be a misunderstanding about PLASTIC now that its back issues are at Ebookopolis. It used to be a print publication when "Vitriol" was being serialized. The last issue he printed, no. 8, I received in 2001. So in fact he's only done one thing, WORKING FOR THE MAN(which he organized almost by himself) that was an e-book from the get-go. Also, his work was printed in Danny Hellman's LEGAL ACTION COMICS, and one of the pieces he contributed to in WFTM was written by Terry Gilliam collaborator(writer of the JABBERWOCKY film and former HELP editor) Charles Alverson. So this guy has worked with some notable people, and the fact he was able to get so many famous pros on what I recall as short notice for WFTM indicates influence and presence in the comics community, seems to me.gilesgoat talk 23:11, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * keep - does not seem to fit deletion criteria. Trollderella 09:13, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep rewritten page. I looked at this page a couple of months ago and it was full of Roberson vanity, clearly written by the subject himself and bursting at the seams with grandiose and unverifiable qualitative statements (Roberson inspired by Stanley Kubrick and other such rubbish).  Kudos to Hiding for his rewrite--this is a now an encyclopedic article. Quale 16:04, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep John Roberson is a Fantagraphics-published cartoonist.
 * Keep I have no objection to the current version of this article. Alf 15:05, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Talk:Abu Snan

It appears on a 1947 map, but early history is rather hard to determine. Morris (Revisited) has a little. --Zero 14:33, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

refs, feel free....
Zerotalk 13:05, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * : "Village sur site antique sur collines basses. Pierres taillées remployées dans constructions modernes. Fragment de pilier de chancel en marbre moulé et quatre pierres gravées en relief (trois avec rosette, une avec croix) remployés dans chapelle de St Georges en partie découpée dans roc (sur ancienne église?). Pressoirs à huile et à raisin; meule de granit; citernes découpées dans roc; tombes; grottes; entaiIles dans roc."
 * Guérin. Galilée II, 21
 * SWP I, 144,160 (Abu Senan)
 * Conder, Syrian Stone Lore, p400

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Cyclopentene

Cyclopentene is a chemical compound with the formula (CH2)3(CH)2. It is a colorless liquid with a petrol-like odor. It has few applications, and thus is mainly used as a minor component of gasoline, present in concentrations of less than 1%. It is one of the principal cycloalkenes.

Production
Cyclopentene is produced industrially in large amounts by steam cracking of naphtha. In the laboratory, it is prepared by dehydration of cyclopentanol. Substituted cyclopentenes are the product of the vinylcyclopropane-cyclopentene rearrangement.

It can also be produced by the catalytic hydrogenation of cyclopentadiene.

Reactions
The polymerization of cyclopentene by Ziegler-Natta catalysts yields 1,3-linkages, not the more typical 1,2-linked polymer.

Palladium-catalyzed hydrocarboxylation of cyclopentene gives cyclopentanecarboxylic acid:
 * C5H8 + CO  +  H2O  ->  C5H9CO2H

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Batman: Dead End

Batman: Dead End is a superhero fan film written and directed by Sandy Collora that premiered on July 19, 2003 at the San Diego Comic-Con, and on the internet shortly thereafter. The film crosses over the DC Comics superhero Batman with the Alien and Predator science fiction film franchises.

Plot
During a stormy night in Gotham City, the Joker escapes from Arkham Asylum while Batman prepares to hunt for him. Batman finds and corners the Joker in an alleyway, but before Batman can take him back to the asylum, the Joker is quickly dragged off by an Alien and is presumably killed. Another Alien attacks Batman, but is killed by a Predator, which Batman fights and defeats. Suddenly, more Predators appear just as more Aliens emerge from the darkness behind Batman. The film ends abruptly with a cliffhanger as Batman is surrounded by the Aliens and the Predators.

Cast

 * Clark Bartram as Bruce Wayne/Batman
 * Andrew Koenig as the Joker
 * Kurt Carley as the Predator
 * Jake McKinnon as the Alien
 * Dragon Dronet, Patrick Magee and Kurt Carley as other Predators

Production
The film was made for a reported $30,000 and filmed in parts of North Hollywood, California, as a stand-in for Gotham City. Collora filmed a similar project, 2004's World's Finest, with much of the same cast and crew.

Reception
Film director and comic book writer Kevin Smith called it "possibly the truest, best Batman movie ever made", and comic book artist Alex Ross praised it as "Batman the way I've always wanted to see him". Collora has stated in interviews that the film was made as a demonstration reel to attract attention to his directing skills, and as such, succeeded in its goal.

Fan Films Quarterly listed Batman: Dead End as one of the 10 most pivotal moments in fan film history in its Summer 2006 issue.

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Talk:Crown (disambiguation)

Article badly needed: Origins of Regal crowns?
I cannot find in any of these articles information on the origin of the crown as a symbol of monarchs across Europe (and beyond?). This is a glaring omission, and is undoubtedly interesting history. Does anybody know? Dunlavin Green (talk) 20:23, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Other meaning
There is another meaning of the term Crown. In Polities which operate as Constitutional Monarchies ' The Crown ' actualy refers to all authority within the Polity. The Monarch or Sovereign is the personage authorised by the Polity or State to represent that authority. For instance the British Monarch can be removed by a simple Act of Parliament and is authorised by the Parliaments Act of Settlement to be the 'Sovereign'. In reality it is the State that is Sovereign. ( LEEJON 28 Aug 05 )

Disambiguation vs. "see also"
The purpose of a disambiguation page, according to Disambiguation, is to guide the reader when a single 'word or phrase is the "natural" title of more than one article. In other words, disambiguations are paths leading to different topics that share the same term or a similar term.' In short, we should ask ourselves, if a user types "crown" in the search box, what might they be looking for?

In keeping with this, I have deleted a variety of entries from this page that contain the word "crown" or a related term but where "Crown" by itself is not a "'natural' title" for an article about them. In other words, we should try to limit this page to persons, places, or things that someone might formally or informally refer to simply as "crown," "a crown", or "the crown." Even so limited, it is still a pretty long list! --Russ Blau (talk) 20:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

 * The length of a page is not so much a problem as lack of organization. If the page can be navigated easily, then it may be OK to be as helpful as possible in providing links. Cynwolfe (talk) 14:21, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

The object
I think this disamb misses the most obvious article / definition. I did not see the article either -- the crown as a physical object. If I find it I will put it there. --195.245.185.38 (talk) 09:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC) -- sorry I was not loged-in -- --BBird (talk) 09:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ --BBird (talk) 09:21, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Beauty pageant winners
When disambiguating crown for beauty pageant winners (which sticks in my craw in the first place) what is the guidance to deal with people who abdicate the crown? billinghurst (talk) 05:29, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I am among those having no answer, not least bcz my first attempt (based on your insinuation that "dealing with" them is obviously problematic) at imagining a problem leads me to "I' gots nut'n". Can anyone enunciate a typical problem? --Jerzy•t 08:28, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Overuse or wrong use of disambiguation page
There seems to be a misconception that this is a page for all links for the word 'Crown' and all foreign derivations of the word. That is not the purpose of a disambiguation page, see Disambiguation. It is not an article page.

The purpose of a disambiguation page is to identify where the linked word, in this case 'crown' is be used and is ambiguous, and to help to then correctly relocate the link. In other words a temporary holding space. To which many of these links should be deleted, and a few should be placed into a ==See also==. For many it would seem to me that many of these links would better belong to something that is akin to Categorization, maybe something like (talk) 03:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

 * I don't see how any one of the current entries is preventing the reader from finding the 'crown' that they were searching for. Binksternet (talk) 06:04, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Restoration to disambiguation page
The Wikipedia page "Crown" is a Disambiguation Page. It is neither a dictionary page nor a catch-all for all things including the word "crown" or associated with the term in any way. Entries which have their own Wikipedia pages, demonstrating both individual initiative and consensus acceptance by the Wikipedia community of editors, have been retained on the list. Those which have not have been deleted. Any requiring disambiguation from other Wikipedia pages including the term crown may be added to the list when they have established a page of their own. Wikiuser100 (talk) 16:05, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

 * What about the surname Crown? Shouldn't it appear on this page? 209.117.8.178 (talk) 20:56, 29 January 2015 (UTC)HelenChicago

Disambiguation Change
So I organized the Disambiguation into the following sections
 * Terminology, Dictionary, Synonym, Homonym, Linguists and General Navigation page.
 * Subjects
 * Resources

Section Currency: Krone and Krona are removed, because they are already repeated in their own disambiguation. Theoretically I should remove all of the Monarchy / Hierarchy and Buisness sections and Motor vehicles because they are type of crown for Monarchy, types of companies and list of products purpose. Those should be the responsibility of Navigational Templates. However, since the lists doesn't seem to have them, nor does any Templates exists, I keep them temporarily. Similar case is happening to Business Companies which is a major problem in Wikipedia. For I am not discussing any further.

If you are interested in helping that section, please notify them to WikiProject (Template Documentation, if it exists). Thanks --75.154.186.241 (talk) 06:54, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

writ not English
The page seemed not (there is a typo in my note in the edit history) written for or by native English speakers. "Crown" as currency is not a common contemporary usage in Anglophone countries and was given too much importance. Links that belonged under a "See also" header were placed near the top and in great confusion, with break lines that were unnecessary if links had been organized where they belonged. There is already a Wiktionary link, but I did leave (though rewritten) the definition, which is a little lengthy for a disambig page. Also, at least one important "crown" link (the term Triple Crown in sports, which has its own page) was omitted. I think I'll also add a hidden note suggesting that those editing the page review the whole page before throwing stuff in, which may have been the problem. Cynwolfe (talk) 14:17, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Crown drug
In the Library of Congress recordings, Jelly Roll Morton describes "crown" as a powdered drug, perhaps an inferior derivative of cocaine. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:31, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation, not "See also" or a finding aid
There seems to be confusion over the purpose of a disambiguation page. See Help:Disambiguation for an introduction.

It is not the purpose of this page to list every type of function of a crown, nor to differentiate. The sole purpose of a disambiguation page is to point to other pages where they are solely going to use the singular word "crown" presumably in a sentence, and then wikilink it. So, not with other adjectival matter like blah blah crown, that does not get disambiguated here, just the single word.

This page is not meant to be a finding aid. — billinghurst  sDrewth  14:54, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Move discussion
There is a move discussion at Talk:Crown (headgear) where it has been suggested to make the headgear the primary topic.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:13, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Crown (headgear) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 11:44, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

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