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Heygate
I got it from "The Worst of Cricket" by Nigel Henderson. The story goes that he was timed out because he was suffering from rheumatism, so he may have been put down as "retired hurt". However, I've heard from a few very knowledgable people I know, so I'm inclined to believe it - Myshkin.

That's fair enough Sam. I'd like to help if you need any cricket things doing. Just tell me if you need some help and I'll see what can be done.

Circket portal talk
I've started a disuccsion at the cricket portal about editting, you might want to take a look. --Commander Keane 13:36, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Donald Bradman
Donald Bradman's is this fortnight's cricket collaboration. Thank you for voting for it. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  14:30, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Virtual Scoring
Hello, Sam. It's probably not widely used except by a handful of statisticians who are interested in early cricket. I'm not surprised it isn't on the internet though it might be mentioned somewhere under a different name. I've included it here to give it some airtime, as it were. I believe, but I'm not certain, that it originated in the ACS&H and was once the subject of an article in their quarterly journal. I remember talking to someone about the method many years ago and he referred to it as "relative scoring" whereas I call it "virtual". I use it a lot when I'm studying Georgian scorecards. --Jack 12:59, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar
Thanks !!! The first barnstar is something special :-) Tintin 02:05, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Cricket Suggestions
Sam, I've left this message on the Project talk page to follow up on something about which we exchanged messages (this was a couple of months ago!). I've listed some ideas on how to make some of the articles that serve to explain cricket a bit clearer, and although I'm sure you check the talk page regularly, I thought I'd flag it up on your own page. I hope it's useful - let me know if otherwise and I'll just stick to updating the cricketer infoboxes! -- High (Hopes) [ (+) ] 13:36, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Bahadur Yar Jung
Hi Sam, thanks a ton for cleaning it up. However, i'm not sure if it is copyvio content. I think the article in its current shape doesn't befit a cleanup notice while some minor copyedit needs to be done. I'll do the honours. ---Gurubrahma 16:35, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Anthony de Mello
Hi I need this page written: Anthony de Mello. It currently redirects to a priest. Do you have any suggestions on the dab title (cricketer)? =Nichalp  «Talk»=  18:03, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * You're good at writing cricket bios. :) I'm yet to write one. I've got some extra info on him that I'd like to add. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  18:26, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks. The information I have is on his administration career, so I'll be expanding it soon. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  05:37, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

"adding section title again for consistency on transcluded pages" seems wrong to me
Hi, I noticed that you re-inserted an initial third-level heading, which is the same as the title of the page into Lancashire v Middlesex 18 September 2005. I think this is wrong - either the article should stand alone as a properly formatted article or it should be directly included in another article and not in its own article, or be transcluded from a subpage of another article. What do you think? Lupin|talk|popups 12:09, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

IL Bula
Any chance that you could write an article on [I.L.Bula. He is supposed to the greatest ever Fijian batsman. [[User:Tintin1107|Tintin]] 21:00, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Some useful links :

 * h t t p : / / t i n y u r l . c o m / 8 g z 6 6 (RSC)

 * h t t p : / / t i n y u r l . c o m / a c z a 4 (Note that the year is wrong here - should be 53.54)

 * h t t p : / / t i n y u r l . c o m / a k h j k (This was my own contribution)

 * Scorecard of the match where he hit the fast 100

In Picador book of cricket, there is a long article about him, but unfortunately I don't have access to it at the moment. Tintin 21:47, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks and good stuff ! Never realised that there was so much to write about him. I guess it is better to leave the Bula page as it is, because Bula&Philippines get 38000 hits and they have a template of all Philippines municipalities which follow the same format.

 * >> Not sure whether anyone would search for Bula, tho...
 * I too wonder about it. Apart from the curiosity of the surname, he is insignificant. Are you the one who is signed in as haakonn in #wikipedia in IRC ? Tintin 17:20, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Happy Beat-Down Day mate!
Ditto what the title says...another year, another year wiser! :) --J L C Leung 08:36, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Bye
and have a great time ! Tintin 21:40, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Sports page articles
Hi Sam, your interest in fleshing out the Cricket-related articles is appreciated but I'm not sure about the relevance of including descriptions of  various matches played unless they were truely interesting for non-cricket readers. They come across as articles suitable for a sports page rather than an encyclopedia. Regards --Hooperbloob 17:47, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

George Hogg
Sam_Vimes said: Hi, George Hogg already had an article at Brad Hogg. I moved the content there and made a redirect at George Hogg. Just wanted to tell you :)

Come to think of it, I think I realized that as soon as I had written the article. It just never occurred to me to do anything about that. I should have turned it into a redirect at the time. Thank you for doing so. Bobo192 19:18, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Cricket quiz
You got question 10 right. Over to you for question 11. Stephen Turner 11:09, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

And question 13. Over to you for Q14 although you can give it to Loganberry if you want to and he's interested. Nil Einne 10:11, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Your turn again for Q24. Stephen Turner 17:53, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Vandal Edits
I'm sorry if I'm throwing the baby out with the bathwater, Commander, but this user (IPs usually 210.*) has a history of repeated, malicious vandalism across a number of articles. Continually assigning actors/actresses to hilariously mismatched projects is a favourite -- Mark Wingett of "The Bill" does the voice of Montgomery Burns, Dan Ackroyd appeared in "Dallas", etc. Trying to sneak in references to New Zealand where they don't belong is another one. I understand that his edits to cricketing pages are usually valid -- but the fact that he delights in spreading deliberate misinformation makes me think that reverting first and asking questions later, or not at all, is prudent in this case. It's hard to credit any contributinos by someone who behaves in such a deliberately destructive manner in most of his changes. Do you think there's a better way we could handle this problem? Ben-w 22:23, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Fair enough; I'll flag the cricket page next time he does this and have the experts sort it out. And there will, depressingly, be a next time. Ben-w 22:32, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Heh. Thanks. Fortunately (for me) it's not really my work or I'd be really upset.

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Grapes
Heh, thanks for the grapes! :D Staxringold 14:52, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

League Cup and UEFA Champions League
Thanks for your edits to these articles. Just out of curiosity, how did you get into cricket? Is it shown on satellite TV in Norway? CTOAGN (talk) 14:22, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Transclusion of cricket match articles
Hi Sam. I just closed out a cricket AFD, and poked around quite a bit to write an informed close. I must say I was quite astonished to find that the individual match articles are being transcluded, not substed, to the larger team and tournament articles. Many of them have been since August. As you know this is a great load on the servers. There is no earthly reason that I can see for this to continue, as the information is identical. Do you think a group of cricket editors could get around to substing (very) soon? I would do it myself were I not pressed for time. Please give this some urgent consideration (I'm approaching you because I don't know many WP cricket editors, but seem to recollect that you are prominent in WP Cricket). If the match articles need to be amended later, these edits can always be done in the regular way and copy pasted elsewhere as necessary, as everyone else edits their articles. Very kind regards encephalon  03:49, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

BTW, I meant to say: the cricket editors are among the most enthusiastic bunch I've seen on WP, and really deserve a trophy of some sort just for that! :) Sincerely yours encephalon  03:54, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Very gracious of you, Vimes. Thank you so much. Regards encephalon  08:02, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

CfD
Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_November_10 should interest you as you wrote the one article there. -- Ian ≡ talk 06:43, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

User page
Thanks for reverting my page. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 22:13, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
I'll make those grapes last :) --MJ( ☎ 22:24, 11 November 2005 (UTC).

Re: NPOV check
You've caught on to exactly what I was referring to: the copyedits in that diff are fantastic. You've managed to get rid of just about all of the editorialising and bias without harming the article. While it doesn't appear to have been necessary there, if that sort of thing is needed to really capture a moment, it can still be achieved by quoting some cricket commentator so that it's them making the assertion, not us. Ambi 10:58, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/List of results of the England national rugby league team
Hi Sam,

This is just a petition for you to reconsider your vote on Articles for deletion/List of results of the England national rugby league team.

While it would be a good thing if all the analysis that was discussed were done, frankly, I can't see that it ever will be.

Leaving this list in place is an open invitation for lots of other analysis free lists of every sporting result known to mankind. Even for a devoted cricket fan such as yourself there must be some limit.

Do we really need to record
 * England A def. Russia 98-4 (24 October 2004)

Regards, Ben Aveling 20:49, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi Sam,

Thanks for the reply. I guess we can just agree that it would be a less interesting world if we all agreed on everything. :-)

Regards, Ben Aveling 06:56, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Namibian cricketers
I've edited up the list of Namibian cricketers, such as Melt van Schoor (see the bottom of the list of links to Namibia here and on the Namibian section of my list of cricketers who want articles, most of which now have, and I'm progressing on the others as we speak). However, the categories are currently not playing nice, so it is meant to be working, just not at the moment. Just letting you know that it should function if it were working. Bobo192 08:45, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The categories are slightly more secure, but they're not perfect. On a related note, I'm not sure if we'll even need to subcategorize these... Bobo192 08:55, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

2005 English cricket season
I have listed a series of redirects that start with "2005 English cricket season/" here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cricket. Do you want a bot to go and remove the pages linking to them, then mark them for speedy deletion? --AllyUnion (talk) 18:18, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes please, much appreciated. If you could turn Yorkshire v Worcestershire 7-10 September 2005 and similar pages to redirects as well, that'd be lovely - the list is here. Sam Vimes 18:43, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Redirects to... where? --AllyUnion (talk) 07:20, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Either the home team's page, or the period pages (1-14 June and so on). Whichever is easiest to program Sam Vimes 08:06, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Regarding date standardization
The WikiProject seems to be inconsistent in the naming of its dates... well, but then again, so is the rest of Wikipedia... But as a project, some kind of consistancy naming should be picked. Ian has pointed out that dates listed like South African cricket season (1888) is non-preferred... meaning that 2005 English cricket season (1-14 June) would likely be non-preferred as well. Seeing as you are picking how to name your categories in regards to a date range, shouldn't some naming consistency be address? --AllyUnion (talk) 18:18, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Admittedly this is "dates" instead of "years", but that's splitting hairs. I'm definitely opposed to making it 1-14 June 2005 English cricket season - that's patently nonsensical, since a season lasts much longer than 14 days. I think the current name signifies that the the 1-14 June pages are extensions of the 2005 English cricket season page in itself, which is just a short season wrap-up for people who need that. I wouldn't object terribly to 2005 English cricket season from 1 to 14 June 2005, though... Sam Vimes 18:43, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

2005 English cricket season/ redirects
I've checked every last bloody one of them. Nothing links to them, and so I'm deleting them now. --AllyUnion (talk) 21:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Cricket sources
Hi there Sam_Vimes. As regards cricketing sources, I apologize for not having added any recently. I promise to go through the ones I've added when I've finished, which will be in three or four articles time, maximum. I'm then going to go through the county cricket articles and add as many of these as possible, I'm not completely sure where all of the sources for these will come from, but I'll do what I can. Thank you for warning me, I'll be there. Bobo192 05:07, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Argh... how many more of these are there?!?!?
I just ran into... Bangladesh v India 26 December 2004. This was found on List of major upsets in One Day cricket. Can you tell me how many more are there? --AllyUnion (talk) 08:57, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

WP:RFA
Your grace - Your RFA was getting on for 3 months ago now. Have you considered a re-nomination? The main concerns last time seem to have been your focus on cricket articles (?!), your ignoring of rules in relation to the transcluded match pages (which I think is - or is being - resolved now) and your relative lack of experience in the Wikpedia namespace (but Kate's counter suggests you now have almost 500 Wikipedia and Wikipedia talk namespace edits). If you would like to run the gauntlet again, I'd be glad to nominate you. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:35, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, as you will have seen me say last time around, I think all editors in good standing should be admins because the admin tools make it a mite easier for editors to do their jobs. But I can understand your reluctance to put yourself under the spotlight again, and I respect your decision.  -- ALoan (Talk) 23:58, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * But on a more positive note, I should also have said: please let me know if you change your mind. -- ALoan (Talk) 16:40, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: For considerable legwork...
Thank you very much, Sam. I'm honoured. Stephen Turner 17:37, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Heggedal
''The problem with deletion is that I fear that the article can never be recreated - which would be somewhat of a waste, and I feel something should be here. Definitely not this mess, though...I'll see what I can do over the weekend. Sam Vimes 20:55, 18 November 2005 (UTC)''

 * Thank you very much. Also see Borgen and Vettre for articles with similar problems. Punkmorten 09:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Quiz
Sam, it's your go mate. -- Ian ≡ talk 13:17, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Q48 is yours too. Stephen Turner (Talk) 12:46, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks on Trinidad & Tobago FIFA World Cup edit.
Thanks alot for the changes that you made. I have never added anything to Wikipedia before and I really didn't know where to put the info. Makes alot more sense where you put it. Also good to see that you are mentioning our cricket :) Kclarke 20:03, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Year linkages
I saw your message to Johnlp about year linkages. I must say, I had no idea anyone even read my user page. But as soon as I write something slightly controversial, everyone seems to be commenting on it! Stephen Turner 10:08, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

 * No, I think season links are fine in principle because they do point to something useful — although I'm also not sure anyone would click on them, because they won't realise they're not just the normal useless year links. Stephen Turner 10:26, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Brothers
Fidel Edwards and Pedro Collins are half brothers and have played together. So the current version has to be taken literally for it to be correct :) Tintin 20:25, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Combined Islands ...
... article looks really good. Tintin 11:47, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Vikram2784's pictures
Thanks for noticing Vikram2784's photos, Sam. Although he ignored several messages on his user page, he's now replied to me by email saying that he will stop uploading pictures. Stephen Turner 12:18, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Cricket in Norge
I am curious to know how come you know so much about cricket for a Norwegian. I am sure it doesn't appear on Norwegian TV! Steven Fitter 11:40, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Takk. your knowledge of cricket is far better than most people I know in cricket playing countries. do you watch the games? (maybe through English Skysports channel?) Steven Fitter 11:52, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Takk. Jeg snakker bare litt norsk! Steven Fitter 12:03, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Redirects in substubs
Sam, thanks for striking out the redirects on the substubs page. But don't bother doing any more, because I'm going to make a separate list of redirects later today. Stephen Turner 11:10, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Ummm, it looks like maybe you've done them all already. But anyway. Stephen Turner 11:11, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

South African national cricket captains
Oh, many thanks for finishing that off! -- ALoan (Talk) 18:17, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Værsågod
Hi Sam, I'm always happy to help out with monkey work like adding infoboxes to articles (especially when it adds to one of our rapidly improving areas of coverage). I keep forgetting to join the WikiProject, I'll do that now (although my knowledge is pretty much limited to modern Test cricket, I'm a bit of an armchair-fan).

I don't mind you using Norwegian on my talk page, I don't think there are any rules against it, but my written Norwegian probably isn't good enough for me to respond very clearly (it's my third language and I've never really written in it, the level-3 on my talk page very much reflects my ability to translate from Norwegian to English). Rje 00:20, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Vegans
Hi, i noticed you reverted the addition of the "Vegans" category to 'Melanie Blatt'. Just out of interest (maybe to improve my knowledge of WP policy), howcome you removed it? Jdcooper 12:12, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Fair play, thats cool. Jdcooper 17:13, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Sam Vimes/ Haakon! Thanks for the birthday greetings and thinking of me today. Regards, =Nichalp   «Talk»=  13:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Stubs
>> (seven more substubs - hopefully the last (given recent Jimbo-intervention))

What was this ? Tintin 20:38, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Ah, good. That is a nice reform. Tintin 21:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: 2005 in cricket
yes thats what i meant, i probably should have worded it differently. im basing this on what my dad told me, hes something of a cricket fanatic. Plough | talk to me 09:50, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

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Missing cricketers
Hello again Sam,

I'm making another list for Ian of cricket articles that aren't at List of cricketers or List of cricket topics. And while doing this, I noticed that you've removed some articles from User:CricketBot/missing cricketers which you haven't added to List of cricketers, and I'm trying to understand whether this was an oversight, or whether there was a reason for it. Aaron Bird and Billy Spiller were the first two I noticed, but there may be others.

Thanks for any enlightenment, Stephen Turner (Talk) 12:08, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Cricket captaincy succession boxes
What is the convention used for putting people into the right order when talking of the succession line of cricket captains. I have noticed that people have sometimes put those boxes with Adam Gilchrist between Steve Waugh and Ricky Ponting, even though Gilchrist was only a temporary replacement for injury/illness on one off games, and if this were the case there would be about 10 one-off boxes where he filled in etc. The same goes for Shane Warne as ODI captain. In this case, this would imply, eg, that Virender Sehwag should also have a box as he was captain for 1 game when Rahul Dravid pulled a hammy. Should we only include captains appointed to be captain as the regular captain? Thanks again for your warm welcome. Blnguyen 05:22, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

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Barnstar
Hi Sam, it had been a long time since you last got a barnstar even though you were still contributing to cricket related articles as passionately as ever! That's why I added one in your gallery.  Da Gizza  Chat (c) 20:47, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

email
I've sent you one. -- Ian ≡ talk 13:57, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Sam Vimes?
o_O Hehe --Mistress Selina Kyle 14:40, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for that :) The kind words are much appreciated. Stub sorting is a pretty thankless task and some people who shall remain nameless have been adding to the stress lately. I'll probably take a couple of days off over Christmas/New Year to stop the possibility of burnout, but I don't think I'll be leaving Wikipedia just yet! Grutness...wha?  23:24, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Olympics 2006
Also thanks for your appreciation for the 2006 Winter Olympics work. I come at this a bit late - someone/many have done much work all ready. I will take note of your comments, purhaps if you put in some of what you intent say on the Cross sountry skiing page and I will take the style across others I work on. I am striving for a common style with allowances for full infomation, so of the older medals table didn't allow for "times/scores/points" etc. Just a question, are you following the FIS world cup competition so far this year? Kevinalewis 14:41, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

 * My interests, in order of interest are, Alpine, Nordic, Snowboarding (more into speed events rather than artistic - but watch a bit of Half Pipe). UK Channel 4 covers the FIS circuit on three seperate evenings for the video player get plenty of use. During summer months the interest is in Motorsport. Anyway make sample changes, let me know and I will endeavour to fall in with you. Kevinalewis 15:13, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Wow! having just looked at your contribution to the Cross country skiing page for 2006 I am in awe, there is no way I can match this type of input. I may be able to do a little, like the links at the base of the pages and some of the race dates etc. I just don't have the knowledge and / or time for research to flesh it out in the way you have. All power to the knowledgable! Kevinalewis 12:10, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

I have to leave off for a few days now, Christmas and all that! However I am getting the feeling that the Olympic Speed skating, & Short track speed skating needs a bit of resolution, I suspect the Short track actually did start before 2002 but I have now no time to check out the details and sort out the jumble, project for after the holiday! All the best Kevinalewis 13:32, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Vegan vandal
I see you've been involved in reverting some of this vandal's edits, so I thought I'd let you know that I've created a section at Vandalism in progress/Long term alerts for the "Vegan vandal".-gadfium 19:14, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

More sub-stubs
Hi Sam. I see *Paul* has been creating new articles on very old Australian Test players that may inflate our sub-stub total a little! Johnlp 17:48, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I'll try and get round to making an updated list later this week. Stephen Turner (Talk) 18:25, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

2005 Ashes series
Haakon, time to risk this on WP:FAC, methinks. Please see Featured article candidates/2005 Ashes series/archive1, jguk 12:27, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Citation
Hi Sam. I saw you were adding footnotes; I was wondering if you have seen Cite/Cite.php yet, which should help you add references to articles without too much work. Cheers, [[Sam Korn ]] 17:45, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Happy new year to you! I'm going out soon too - probably to get far too drunk and make a complete fool of myself!   Cheers,  [[Sam Korn ]] 17:56, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

By the way, I'm feeling up for making some diagrams at the moment, so if you have any suggestions, please ask away. I have made Image:England 1st innings at Edgbaston.svg as a demonstration of what I mean. Cheers, [[Sam Korn ]] 16:04, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Hanover
Hanover has only 1 n in english. Are we going to change Bayern Munich to FC Bayern München Are we going to change the city Hanover to Hannover? Cologne to Köln? Nuremberg to Nürnberg? Kingjeff 23:09, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

You were the 1 who was arguing over 1 n. Not me. Kingjeff 17:43, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for participating in the conspiracy against me. Kingjeff 00:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

My contributions
I know you changing my contributions is only a personal attack against me and I'm very offended. Kingjeff 19:21, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Cricket image
Hi Sam. I just created the animation on Off break - is there anything I should add to it before I make some more? Cheers, [[Sam Korn ]] 21:50, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

User:Hinakana
Haakon, just wondering if you know User:Hinakana? It just seems odd (albeit most welcome) that we now have two Norwegians in WP:Cricket, jguk 10:12, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

South African Cricket
Sam,

I appreciate the links you have done as well.

The South African crikcet teams are tricky because some have teams have merged and changed names.

I used the South African Cricket Board website http://www.cricket.co.za/default.asp as well as the Cricinfo site.

But keep up the good work.

Whohe!!!!!

Bachler
I'll conceed that one - I have had a number of vandalisms done recently on accented name with no reason given, mainly from unnamed editors. Well spotted. :: Kevinalewis : please contact me on my Talk Page : 17:08, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Sam
Hi Sam, thanks for tidying up a few of my typos tonight. Was in a bit too much of a rush doing the articles.

I'm interested to know more about how you know so much about English cricket. I live in England and, among other things, am a member at Worcestershire, a Qualified umpire, and will be a member at the MCC in one years' time, all that and I'm still the same age as you! Do you get much cricket in Norway, and do you play yourself?

It be nice to hear from you, either leave a message on my talk page, which you will ntoice is rather empty, or you can send me an e-mail at olivercoddington[at]gmail.com--Wisden17 21:43, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Sam, good guess with the Wisden thing although not right (although coudl well be right!). I orginially used Wisden14 for everything on the internet, due to at the time being 14 and liking Wisdens (and nobody else had used that name for used IDs on websites!). Well the Wisden17 is reference to my age,17 and the Wisden theme, although I probably have 17 Wisdens, I haven't actually counted. I do have a hell of a lot of books on cricket though, a lot bought very cheaply off Ebay. I've got hundreds of them. I'm particular interested in Cricket Stats. and Law. Have you heard of the Association of Cricket Statisticians and Historians, it may be the sort of thing you would like to join. From the sounds of it you haven't been to many first class games. Here's an offer: as I said I should be a member (well an associate member) at the MCC next year, so in time for the 2007 season. What that means is that I'll be able to take visitors into the pavillion during games and into the members' seating. Your welcome to come over to Lords for a Test Match and watch it from the comfort of the pavillion if you would like. As I said I can't do that until 2007 season, but I should still be on Wiki at that time, and from the sounds of it you would really enjoy seeing a live international.

One question about Wiki: do people generally e-mail other people or just use their talk pages. I mean I generally prefer using e-mail, but I don't mind?

Oh thanks for the link to the verification site. I was doing some editing on the Umpires' Page and had to keep resisting the urge to just put Law references every 5 minutes, as I am not of the opinion thatthat is what that page needs.

--Wisden17 22:03, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Quiz
Hi Sam, Just a reminder that Q 102 on the quiz is yours. Stephen Turner (Talk) 09:30, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Summaries are to be italicized
We have formatting issues here, and all sports summaries are to be italicized. Please cease or I will be very angry. NoseNuggets 4:45 PM US EST Jan 1 2006.

Hey man
I'll keep plugging away at the Boon page.

Frank Carmody 00:22, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
THanks for that note. That's very helpful. =- Mgm|(talk) 13:26, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Quiz
Sam, are you going to post a question sometime soon? ;-) -- Ian ≡ talk 15:00, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

2006 in sports
I don't have a problem with moving it. I'll do it, if you want me to. User:Zoe|(talk) 23:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Australian Open
I didn't get a chance to input all of today's matches and I probably won't get a chance tonight, either. User:Zoe|(talk) 23:43, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Player of the series
Where can I find the player to the series. Would like to update Sri Lankan cricket team in New Zealand in 2005-06. Thanks, Ganeshk  ( talk ) 14:11, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Kicking sub-stubs
Agree it should be revived and will try to do a share (though am away at present). But of course the good work of Paul with the Infoboxes has created rather a lot more than there were... Johnlp 22:29, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Adelskalender, Cindy Klassen
I changed Klassen's total back to 156.431, http://web.telia.com/~u46130641/adeld.htm has made a typo I think, she skated a personal record of 6:55.77 and not 6:51.77 this weekend. Helly 11:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

O.v.b.
Ofcourse I can help. O.v.b. stands for onder voorbehoud, which means provisional. We can send a maximum of 10 speed skaters to the Olympics, but about 12 or 13 have qualified. It depends on the teams per distance who gets sent to the Games and who doesn't. That's why Cramer is provisionally listed: if the squad selection turns out negatively for her, she won't be going to the Games after all. Aecis Mr.Mojorisin' 13:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I've found the qualification criteria at the site of the Dutch speed skating association . What it boils down to is this:

 * At the world sprint speed skating championships, Sanne van der Star has to be in the top 16 over the two 500m's. These were held last weekend, and I don't know whether she qualified. If she hasn't, she can still qualify at the World Cup race in Collalbo next weekend.
 * Wieteke Cramer would have qualified for the Olympics if she had finished in the top 10 on the 1500m at the European Championships in Hamar. She became 8th, but because Barbara de Loor has won a skate-off against Paulien van Deutekom, De Loor will be going to Turin.
 * Marieke Wijsman and Frouke Oonk will do a skate-off at the 500m during the Dutch sprint speed skating championships. The result only matters if two out of three nominated skaters (De Loor, Van Der Star and Cramer) don't qualify. If Wijsman wins, she will have to show some good results in the races to come. If Oonk wins, she will have to reach the qualification limit of 39.50. The skate-off has been held, but I don't know who won.
 * Annette Gerritsen will have to show some good results on the 1000m to qualify.
 * Gerard van Velde and Jacques de Koning raced a skate-off over two 500m's. If Van Velde had won, he would have qualified for the Games. De Koning won, and he will now have to show some good results in the races to come in order to be sent to Turin.
 * Simon Kuipers and Rhian Ket will race a skate-off for the 1500m. The winner will go to Turin.
 * And this is the simple explanation... Aecis Mr.Mojorisin' 15:20, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

That's probably why it went shite for us in Hamar. Our skaters have to qualify for qualification races for the World Cup, the European Championship, the World Championship and the Olympics, and these are qualification races for each other. Add to that the sponsor obligations etc., and you'll get an idea why they can't perform anymore. Peter Mueller has called it overkill, and I believe he's right. About the link you provided: it is very useful. It says that she didn't impress on the final 1000m, but that she had already achieved her victory on the 500m's by qualifying for the Olympics. So she will be going to Turin. Aecis Mr.Mojorisin' 17:13, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I've found some more on the Dutch delegation for the Olympics: the skate-off between Wijsman and Oonk on the 500m was won by Wijsman. She depended on Cramer, Van der Star and De Loor: if two of these three hadn't qualified for the Olympics, she would have gone to Turin. Since De Loor and Van der Star have qualified, the Dutch speed skating association will forfeit the fourth place on the women's 500m (which Wijsman would have gotten), because more than 10 women would otherwise have gone to the Olympics, which is not allowed. And because Van der Star has qualified for the Olympics last weekend (as your link said), Cramer won't be going to Turin either. Only two places are still up for grabs: the fourth ticket on the men's 500m (Jacques de Koning is the only nominee) and the fourth ticket on the men's 1500m (Rhian Ket or Simon Kuipers). Aecis Mr.Mojorisin' 23:52, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Eedjit
Thanks for the heads-up! Sam Korn (smoddy) 21:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

The Allies (band)
Hey. Thanks for the back up on The Allies (band), the guy seems totally unable to grasp the concept that the WP:MUSIC guidelines for notability are not speedy deletion criteria. Cheers, --Nick Boalch?!? 23:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Canada
Thanks for the warning, I must have been asleep or something... I intended to revert a single previous edit rather than a whole bunch of them - and it seems that the edit I wanted to revert wasn't on the page in the first place. I must have hit 'save page' in the wrong window or something like that. - Andre Engels 07:54, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I think I already know what happened: I saw the error on a Wikipedia mirror, and used the link from there to the article, but it linked to the old version that they had copied rather than the current one. I then corrected that old version, causing me to unintendedly revert all subsequent edits. How I missed the "You are editing an old version of the page" warning, I still do not know. - Andre Engels 08:41, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Vimes
Is your username from Thud! by Terry Pratchett? Avriette 22:57, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Ah. I haven't read any of his other books, and just recently finished Thud!. Avriette 12:20, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Comment on (Country XXXX) at the 2006 Winter Olympics
Hi Sam,

When I edited Australia at the 2006 Winter Olympics to reflect the official announcement of the team, I thought that I may as well lay it out so that it's ready to add results (as some less bold people may be frightened to add results if it means changing the layout). I'm a bit worried that some layouts you created for Country XXXX at the 2006 Winter Olympics may have to be changed a bit to add results.

Other than that, congratulations from Fourecks on your work on the 2006 Winter Olympics.

Thanks, Andjam 02:57, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Overs bowled
Sam, I am trying to update Indian cricker bios one-a-day. :) I don't know how to find overs bowled since cricinfo has the total number of balls. That divided by six will be wrong since it might have wides and other extras. Please advise. - Ganeshk  ( talk ) 14:48, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Wennemars
I see you just removed the 1500 m from Erben Wennemars at Netherlands at the 2006 Winter Olympics. Wennemars will skate the 1500m. His selection was not dependent on Sven Kramer. We've got four places at the 1500 m, and they will be filled by Bos, Kramer, Kuipers and Wennemars. A news flash of the Dutch speed skating association says: "Op de 1500 meter rijden voor Nederland in Turijn verder Jan Bos, Erben Wennemars en Sven Kramer", which translates as "Jan Bos, Erben Wennemars and Sven Kramer will also represent the Netherlands at the 1500 m in Turin." Aecis Mr.Mojorisin' 17:28, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It's ok :) Aecis Mr.Mojorisin' 17:42, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

An Esperanzial note
As I remember, the last spam that was handed out was on the 20th of December last year, so I think it's time for another update. First and foremost, the new Advisory Council and Administrator General have been elected. They consist of myself as Admin General and FireFox, Titoxd, Flcelloguy and Karmafist as the Advisory Council. We as a group met formally for the first time on the 31st of Decembe. The minutes of this meeting can be found at WP:ESP/ACM. The next one is planned for tonight (Sunday 29 January) at 20:30 UTC and the agenda can be found at WP:ESP/ACM2.

In other news, Karmafist has set up a discussion about a new personal attack policy, which it can be found here. Other new pages include an introductory page on what to do when you sign up, So you've joined Esperanza... and a welcome template: EA-welcome (courtesy of Bratsche). Some of our old hands may like to make sure they do everything on the list as well ;) Additionally, the userpage award program proposal has become official is operational: see Esperanza/User Page Award to nominate a userpage or volunteer as a judge. Also see the proposed programs page for many new proposals and old ones that need more discussion ;)

Other than that, I hope you all had a lovely Christmas and wish you an Esperanzially good new WikiYear :D Thank you! --Cel e stianpower háblame 16:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

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Rugby
Thank you, Sam. I admit I'm not a fan of RL and I am definitely looking forward to the Six Nations this weekend; but at first I was at a loss to understand where that character was coming from. Then I remembered my friend George who tried to delete a spurious RL article some while ago....... and I supported him! I think I'll steer clear of rugby articles in future. Thanks again for restoring the list of cricket sources. --Jack 20:36, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

pictures
ok, then please delete them - minins.jpg, guts.jpg and also arhipovs.jpg

User:Gragox

Countries at 2006 Olympics
Thanks for your note. I went to the Argentina NOC page and updated the page based on the information there. I've footnoted the athletes that are listed on Torino2006 but not on the Argentina NOC list.

I'll do the same with Bermuda tomorrow.

Sue Anne 09:31, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Ski jumping at the 1984 Winter Olympics
Perhaps I can enlist your help - I have been spending some time trying to standardise the winter olympics layout (still much to do). Example above.

I have been getting persistent problems with the user User:85.165.214.203 and his continual edits which are undescribed, unsigned, and often revert work being done on layout. His most persistent change is to take the IOC codes and expand them out to the full country name. Now that I don't mind if he would at least show he intended to do a sensible comprehensive job. However he will not talk to me, despite repeated attempts at communication with him.

Do you know what should be done, or am I completely in the wrong here. Sorry to lump this one you. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page)  16:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Replied on Kevinalewis' talk page. Sam Vimes 16:44, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your response. Not wonderful is it - didn't think I could be the only one affected - it's the lack of communication that is really the most gauling. Would it help is someone blocked him for a bit, would that start to get his attention. We might need to help him rather than just revert him, but not comback makes it a tough. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page)  16:50, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

RL European Championship
Hello, thanks for your comments regarding the naming isssues. I agree they should be changed. I set up a discussion here. If no gives an indication about the name soon, go ahead and decide on it yourself if you want to. Forever young 00:33, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

VB Series - DAB Perth
Thanks FOr the fixing Gnangarra 13:18, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Katie Holmes
Greetings! You have edited the Katie Holmes page in the past. I've completely reworked the article and have posted it on WP:PR in the hopes of advancing it to WP:FAC. I would be grateful for your comments at Peer review/Katie Holmes/archive1. PedanticallySpeaking 18:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

International Baccalaureate Language B
Hi Sam. I'm wondering as a fellow (past) IB student what level of language proficiency that getting a 6 for SL French in Language B corresponds to? Personally I think it may be 0.5, but there isn't a userbox for that!Blnguyen 23:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Another Esperanzial note...
Hi again Esperanzians! Well, since our last frolic in the realms of news, the Advisory Council has met twice more (see WP:ESP/ACM2 and WP:ESP/ACM3). As a result, the charter has been ammended twice (see here for details) and all of the shortcuts have been standardised (see the summary for more details). Also of note is the Valentines ball that will take place in the Esperanza IRC channel on the 14th of February (tomorrow). It will start at 6pm UTC and go on until everyone's had enough! I hope to see you all there! Also, the spamlist has been dissolved - all Esperanzians will now recieve this update "newsletter".

The other major notice I need to tell you about is the upcoming Esperanza Advisory Council Elections. These will take place from 12:00 UTC on February 20th to 11:59 UTC on February 27th. The official handing-over will take place the following day. Candidates are able to volunteer any time before the 20th, so long as they are already listed on the members list. Anyone currently listed on the memberlist can vote. In a change since last time, if you have already been a member of the leadership, you may run again. Due to the neutrality precident, I will not vote for anyone.

Yours, as ever, Esperanzially,

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Talk:2006 International Cricket Season
Hello Sam Vimes, Thanx for notifying the articles which are already present here. I have just selected an article from Requested Articles and started working on them. I didn't visit those articles before. But I am trying to put the datas of matches datewise. Should it be merged? Thanks --Shyam
 * If you can help me in merging them, then it would be better for me. Please help me in merging them. Thanks --Shyam

Hi mate
G'day, noticed your great work on cricket articles. I'm from Australia and am a big fan of cricket, but am currently involved in WikiProject AFL, a project on the Australian Football League (in the sport of Australian rules football). Great to see that a native Norwegian has developed an interest in cricket. Cheers,  R o  gerthat  Talk  06:15, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

My RFA
Thank you for supporting me in my successful RFA. The admin tools will definitely be useful for dealing with vandalism more swiftly. Please drop a note on my talk page, should you have questions about any of my actions. -Kmf164 ( talk | contribs ) 02:15, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, thanks for all your great contributions to the 2006 Winter Olympics and related articles. -Kmf164 ( talk | contribs ) 02:15, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Michael Clarke (cricketer)
Hi there Sam. Are you aware that there are lots of Michael Clarkes, not just the cricketer? Because I have been dabbing him, and the "what links here" shows that a lot of your draft pages (sandbox) have links to Michael Clarke which aren't disambiguated to the criketer. Regards,Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 08:02, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

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If I could ask for your help on a Norwegian Football page - Pål leer? Is this article for real or is it a hoax? I can't find anything using Google, but since I don't speak Norwegian I may be missing something. If you can't help then I guess I'll go the PROD route. Thanks in advance for your help Cje 14:00, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
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Gold star
In recognition of your sterling service to WP:CRIC, and particularly in creating 2006 ICC Intercontinental Cup so quickly, here is a gold star (this is a rare personal award; please excuse me if receiving an ex-Soviet honour causes any offence). -- ALoan (Talk) 18:10, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

De Mello
I am currently expanding Anthony De Mello. So a lot of the current version that you wrote will disappear during that. Hope you won't mind. Tintin (talk) 18:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Swimming
Hi Sam. I just dropped by into the page for the World Short Course Swimming Championships and saw that you had been editing there. I wonder if you had a continuing wikipedia interest in swimming, because if so, it may be of use try and setup a wikiproject for it. At the moment, I know that User:JP06035 has a regular interest; also User:Darius Dhlomo and User:Attilios also regularly contribute, but they don't appear to be particularly interactive, from my experiences, anyway. Regards, Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 07:50, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

2003 Netball World Championships
Thanks for adding the results to this - it looks great, and there's so few people working on netball articles that things don't usually tend to get done unless I do it. Are you interested in netball, or did you just stumble across the page? :) Ambi 00:19, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Grapeshot

 * "bone fragments could magnify casualties" ??? Can anybody verify this? It soulds a lot like something somedoy saw in a movie... Oom Kosie 17:07, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

 * page should include medieval grapeshot, which was used in catapults. Objects used could be metal, wood, garbage, a dead cat, and the contents of chamber pots, when a castle was under siege they would use anything they could spare in their artillery.

 * metal slugs roughly the size of grapes
 * I think this isn't correct. Each slug of grapeshot for swivel guns is bigger than a grape. --Ypacaraí 05:56, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

 * Grapes can get very big - but theres no reason why some guns shouldn't have larger shot and it still be called grapeshot. GraemeLeggett 08:08, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Gettysburg
The Battle of Gettysburg was a very famous use of grapeshot. The Union center destroyed Pickett's Charge with grapeshot before it even reached the Union front. Over 6,500 Confederates were killed in the charge by musket and artillery fire. --Excaliburhorn 04:24, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Decembrists
The Decembrist revolt included a very famous use of grapeshot

War at sea
Was grape ever used in ship cannons? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.126.237 (talk) 01:45, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Blunderbuss
could grapeshot have been used in a blunderbuss? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.178.227.18 (talk) 20:31, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

 * It seems implausible. The individual projectiles used in artillery grapeshot rounds were massive solid iron slugs, commonly 5cm in diameter or larger, normally of significantly larger diameter than any small arm's bore. The blunderbuss was commonly loaded with pistol bullets, musket balls, nails, or whatever bits of scrap metal were ready to hand.  I suppose it is not impossible that someone could have created an assembly similar to that used to load grapeshot in an artillery piece, using paper or beeswax discs and a stack of pistol bullets or musket balls, wrapping the whole in paper or cloth, to facilitate rapid loading.  However, if anyone ever created such a thing and sold it commercially, I have never seen or heard of the practice.

See various examples here from the 1600s and 1700s: https://www.ima-usa.com/collections/british-antique-guns https://www.ima-usa.com/collections/british-antique-guns/products/original-massive-18th-century-british-bronze-barreled-flintlock-blunderbuss-marked-liverpool
 * It seems more plausible for use in very large caliber naval blunderbusses, particularly of the mounted, swivel-gun type. There are examples of British Naval blunderbusses with bores of 3 inches or greater, which seem relevant for potentially loading grapeshot, though use of iron shot in general would wear the bore of brass naval blunderbusses a great deal more than lead.

The largest caliber iron grapeshot wouldn't work, but smaller examples of iron and lead grape or canister shot probably would. There are examples here of iron balls in the 2 inch range and lead in the 1 to 1.5 inch range: https://www.crt.state.la.us/dataprojects/archaeology/elnuevoconstante/cannons%2C-cannon-balls-and-cannon-shot-2.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kool kitty89 (talk • contribs) 04:03, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Naval only, or land also?
The first paragraph of the article implies grapeshot was a naval weapon only, the second discusses the use of grape on land. This needs clarification 96.246.108.108 (talk) 00:24, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Seconded. The article's introduction makes a (convinving) point off differentiating grape shot from canister shot. The later list of famous battles then mixes the two up. I think we should clear up this article to reflect the naval munition exclusively. --MattHelm77 (talk) 22:04, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The use of grape (also known as canister) shot was relatively rare in naval guns; They were more often used in land canon. A REDDSON

"A grapeshot"?
Is the term "a grapeshot" correct? I've always simply heard it as "grapeshot", and I see this usage throughout the article, but it opens with "a grapeshot is..." whereas I think it should read "grapeshot is...". The "a grapeshot" phrase also appears in the article on the Battle of Waterloo, which is how I came here. Is there a definitive citation for "a grapeshot"? Jeffr (talk) 14:14, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

"Scattershot" or sangrenel
Wasn't "sangrenel" a common 18th and 19th century term for improvised canister shot, often made using nails, stones, or whatever bits of scrap metal were available, to be fired from a smoothbore muzzleloading artillery piece? The article here uses the term "scattershot."

 * I was just thinking: Should this article be united with the article canister shot ? ⸻Nikolas Ojala (talk) 16:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

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Jerry Savelle

Jerry Savelle (December 24, 1946 – April 15, 2024) was an American author and televangelist who was president of Jerry Savelle Ministries International (JSMI). He wrote over 70 books and preached in more than 3000 churches and 26 nations. JSMI has offices in Tanzania, the United Kingdom, Australia, Canada, and the United States headquarters in Crowley, Texas. He died on April 15, 2024, at the age of 77.

Jerry Savelle Ministries International
Savelle first established his ministry in 1974 as a traveling ministry. His ministry has grown since then and now has offices in the United States, Australia, the United Kingdom, and Canada. He had a weekly broadcast at www.jerrysavelle.org and on Daystar Television Network

Savelle was the Founding Pastor of Heritage of Faith Christian Center in Crowley, Texas. In January 2006, Savelle appointed Justin Bridges as Senior Pastor.

Early life and education
Before entering the ministry, Savelle worked as an autobody repairman. He grew up on the racetracks and knew he wanted to own an automotive business just like his father from the age of nine. At the age of eleven, while watching Oral Roberts on television, Savelle felt called to go into ministry.

Savelle went to college in 1964 and was married to Carolyn Creech in 1965. He opened Jerry's Paint and Body Shop in 1968; however in 1969 he again felt the call to go into ministry. In February 1969, Jerry gave his life to Christ. Early in his ministry he traveled and studied under Kenneth Copeland, another "Word of Faith" minister.

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