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Curse of Ham

In the Book of Genesis, the curse of Ham is described as a curse which was imposed upon Ham's son Canaan by the patriarch Noah. It occurs in the context of Noah's drunkenness and it is provoked by a shameful act that was perpetrated by Noah's son Ham, who "saw the nakedness of his father". The exact nature of Ham's transgression and the reason Noah cursed Canaan when Ham had sinned have been debated for over 2,000 years.

The story's original purpose may have been to justify the biblical subjection of the Canaanites to the Israelites, or a land claim to a portion of New Kingdom of Egypt which ruled Canaan in the late Bronze Age.

In later centuries, the narrative was interpreted by some Jews, Christians and Muslims as an explanation for black skin, as well as a justification for enslavement of black people. Nevertheless, most Christians, Muslims and Jews now disagree with such interpretations, because in the biblical text, Ham himself is not cursed, and neither race nor skin color are ever mentioned.

Biblical narrative
The concept of the curse of Ham finds its origins in Genesis 9:

The objective of the story may have been to justify the subject status of the Canaanites, the descendants of Ham, to the Israelites, the descendants of Shem. The narrative of the curse is replete with difficulties. It is uncertain what the precise nature of Ham's offense is. Verse 22 has been a subject of debate, as to whether it should be taken literally, or as "a euphemism for some act of gross immorality". In verse 25, Noah refers to Shem and Japheth as the "brethren" of Canaan, whereas in verse 18 they are identified as his uncles. The Table of Nations presents Canaan and Mizraim (Egypt) among the sons of Ham (10:6). In the Psalms, Egypt is equated with Ham. A land claim on Canaan which fell under the rule of New Kingdom Egypt in the late Bronze Age has been suggested as a motive for the curse on Canaan and the association with Ham via Ancient Egypt's rule over Canaan.

The treatment of Japheth in verses 26–27 raises questions: Why is YHWH named as the God of Shem, but not of Japheth? What does it mean that God will "enlarge" Japheth? And why will Japheth "dwell in the tents of Shem"? Further difficulties include Ham's being referred to as "the youngest son", when all other lists make him Noah's second son. Biblical scholar Nahum Sarna says that the biggest challenge of the narrative is why Canaan was cursed, rather than Ham, and that the concealed details of the shameful incident bear the same reticence as Reuben's sexual transgression.

The narrative's short five verses indicate that Canaan's Hamite paternity must have had great significance to the narrator or redactor, according to Sarna, who adds, "The curse on Canaan, invoked in response to an act of moral depravity, is the first intimation of the theme of the corruption of the Canaanites, which is given as the justification for their being dispossessed of their land and for the transfer of that land to the descendants of Abraham."

Ham's transgression
Scholars have debated the exact nature of Ham's misdeed with many identifying it as either voyeurism, castration, paternal incest, or maternal incest.

Voyeurism
The majority of commentators, both ancient and modern, have felt that Ham's seeing his father naked was not a sufficiently serious crime to explain the punishment that follows. Nevertheless, Genesis 9:23, where Shem and Japheth cover Noah with a cloak while averting their eyes, suggests that the act of "seeing (Noah's) nakedness" is to be taken literally, and it has recently been pointed out that, in first millennium Babylonia, looking at another person's genitals was indeed regarded as a serious matter. Other ancient commentators suggested that Ham was guilty of more than what the Bible says. The 2nd century Targum Onqelos has Ham gossiping about his father's drunken disgrace "in the street" (a reading which has a basis in the original Hebrew), so that being held up to public mockery was what had angered Noah; as the Cave of Treasures (late 6th – early 7th century) puts it, "Ham laughed at his father's shame and did not cover it, but laughed about it and mocked."

Paternal incest or Castration
Ancient commentaries have also debated whether "seeing" someone's nakedness meant to have sex with that person (e.g., Leviticus 20:17). The same idea was raised by third-century rabbis, in the Babylonian Talmud (c. 500 AD), who argue that Ham either castrated his father, or sodomised him. The same explanations are found in three Greek translations of the Bible, which replace the word "see" in verse 22 with another word denoting homosexual relations. The castration theory has its modern counterpart in suggested parallels found in the castration of Uranus by Cronus in Greek mythology and a Hittite myth of the supreme god Anu whose genitals were "bitten off by his rebel son and cup-bearer Kumarbi, who afterwards rejoiced and laughed ... until Anu cursed him".

The medieval commentator Rashi (1040–1105), writes of Ham's offence against Noah: "There are those of our rabbis who say he emasculated [or castrated סרסו] him, and there are those who say he had [homosexual רבעו] relations with him." Rashi cites Sanhedrin 70a, which adds that those who believe that Ham had homosexual relations with his father agree that he also emasculated him. Rashi continues: "What did Ham see that he emasculated him? He said to his brothers: Adam the first man had two sons, yet one killed the other because of the inheritance of the world [Cain killed Abel over a dispute how to divide the world between them according to Genesis Rabbah 22:7], and our father has three sons yet he seeks still a fourth son."

Maternal incest
Some modern scholars, such as Bergsma and Hahn, have suggested that Ham engaged in intercourse with his mother, Noah's wife. Support for this theory can be found in verses such as Leviticus 20:11: "And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness". According to this interpretation of the story, Canaan was the offspring of the illicit union between Ham and his mother, which accounts for the curse falling upon Canaan rather than Ham.

Disrespecting a religious festival
According to Devorah Dimant, the Book of Jubilees depicts Noah planting, harvesting, and drinking wine in accordance with the stipulations of the Torah such that Noah's drunkenness appears less problematic and Ham's offense appears more problematic than in Genesis. Dimant writes that the timing of Noah's viniculture and the procedure of Noah's sacrifice in Jubilees 7:1–6 match Second Temple Judaism interpretations of Leviticus 19:23–25 and Numbers 29:1–6. Thus, Dimant claims "Jubilees alleviates any misgivings that may be provoked by the episode of Noah's drunkenness. In this light, Ham's offense constitutes an act of disrespect not only to his father, but also to the festival ordinances."

Curse of Canaan
It is noteworthy that the curse was made by Noah, not by God. Some biblical scholars claim that when a curse is made by a man, it could only have been effective if God supports it, unlike the curse of Ham and his descendants, which was not confirmed by God or, at least, it is not mentioned in the Bible that he had confirmed it.
 * Genesis 9:25: "And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren"

Dead Sea Scrolls
4Q252, a pesher (interpretation) on the Book of Genesis found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, explains that since Ham had already been blessed by God (Genesis 9:1), he could not now be cursed by Noah. The 4Q252 scroll probably dates from the later half of the first century BC. A century later, the Jewish historian Josephus argued that Noah refrained from cursing Ham because of his nearness of kin, and so cursed Ham's son instead.

A new alternative interpretation of 4Q181, which is a Dead Sea scroll of Genesis, parallels the Book of Jubilees, suggesting that Canaan was cursed because he defied Noah's division of the land.

Jubilees
The Book of Jubilees also recounts the incident between Ham and Noah, and Noah's resulting curse against Canaan, in similar terms. Later, however, Jubilees explains further that Ham had allocated to Canaan a land west of the Nile (Jubilees 9:1), and all Noah's sons agreed to invoke a curse on anyone who tries to seize land that was not allocated to them (Jubilees 9:14–15). But Canaan violated this agreement and instead chose to squat in the land delineated to Shem and his descendants, and so Canaan brought upon himself the full force of this second curse (Jubilees 10:29–35).

Classical Judaism
Philo of Alexandria, a 1st-century BC Jewish philosopher, said that Ham and Canaan were equally guilty, if not of whatever had been done to Noah, then of other crimes, "for the two of them together had acted foolishly and wrongly and committed other sins." Rabbi Eleazar decided that Canaan had in fact been the first to see Noah, and had then gone and told his father, who then told his brothers in the street; this, said Eleazar, "did not take to mind the commandment to honour one's father." Another interpretation was that Noah's "youngest son" could not be Ham, who was the middle son: "for this reason they say that this youngest son was in fact Canaan."

According to Rashi, Ham castrated Noah and prevented him from having a fourth son; therefore, Noah cursed Ham's own fourth son, Canaan.

In halakhic legal texts, the term "Canaanite slave" is used for generically for any non-Jew (gentile) held in bondage by an Israelite. According to Jewish law, such a slave should undergo a form of conversion to Judaism, after which they are obligated to perform all mitzvot except positive time-dependent mitzvot (just as Jewish women do), granting them a higher status than ordinary non-Jews.

Racism and slavery
According to the Catholic mystic Anne Catherine Emmerich: "I see that the Black, idolatrous, stupid nations are the descendants of Ham. Their color is due, not to the rays of the sun, but to the dark source whence those degraded races sprang."

In the past, some people claimed that the curse of Ham was a biblical justification for imposing slavery and racial discrimination towards black people, although this concept has been criticized for being an ideologically driven misconception. Regarding this matter, the Christian leader Martin Luther King Jr. called such an attempt a "blasphemy" that "is against everything that the Christian religion stands for." James Burton Coffman similarly argues that the curse was a "prophecy of what would happen" not that it should happen. He believes that the curse is an allusion to Canaan's history of being dominated by numerous foreign powers. These powers include Assyrians, Chaldeans, Grecians and Romans.

For Southern slave owners who were faced with the abolitionist movement to end slavery, the curse of Ham was one of the many grounds upon which Christian planters could formulate an ideological defense of slavery. Even before slavery, in order to promote economic motivations within Europe associated with colonialism, the curse of Ham was used to shift the common Aristotelian belief that phenotypic differentiation among humans was a result of climatic difference, to a racialist perspective that phenotypic differentiation among the species was due to there being different racial types. This often came as a result of European anxieties to avoid being sent to the colonies, as they were terrified of the high casualty rate of settlers due to disease and warfare. Thus, many of them formulated the idea that being sent south of the equator "blackened" them and thus made them inferior.

In the 15th century, Dominican friar Annius of Viterbo invoked the Curse of Ham to explain the differences between Europeans and Africans in his writings. Annius, who frequently wrote of the "superiority of Christians over the Saracens", claimed that due to the curse imposed upon black people, they would inevitably remain permanently subjugated by Arabs and other Muslims. He wrote that the fact that so many Africans had been enslaved by the heretical Muslims was supposed proof of their inferiority. Through these and other writings, European writers established a hitherto unheard of connection between Ham, Africa and slavery, which laid the ideological groundwork for justifying the transatlantic slave trade.

The historian David Whitford writes of a "curse matrix" which was derived from the vagueness of Genesis 9 and interpreted by racialists to mean that it mattered not who was cursed or which specific group of people the curse originated with, all that mattering being that there was a vague reference to a generational curse that could be exploited by those seeking to justify their actions against black people, such as Southern slaveowners.

Pro-slavery intellectuals were hard-pressed to find a justification for slavery and racism within Christian theology which taught the belief that all humans were descendants of Adam and they were therefore one race, possessed with equal salvation potential and deserving to be treated as kin. The curse of Ham was used to drive a wedge in the mythology of a single human race, as elite intellectuals were able to convince people that the three sons of Noah represented the three sects of Man and their respective hierarchy of different fates. Leading intellectuals in the South, like Benjamin Morgan Palmer, claimed that white Europeans were descended from Japhet, who was prophesied to cultivate civilization and the powers of the intellect by Noah, but Africans, being the descendants of the cursed Ham, were destined to be possessed by a slavish nature which would be ruled by base appetites.

Early Judaism and Islam
While Genesis 9 never says that Ham was black, he became associated with black skin, through folk etymology deriving his name from a similar, but actually unconnected, word meaning "dark" or "brown". The next stage are certain fables according to ancient Jewish traditions. According to one legend preserved in the Babylonian Talmud, Ham broke a prohibition on sex aboard the ark and "was smitten in his skin" as punishment; However, in the Talmud this skin punishment is not described as hereditary or linked to slavery, and in other ancient Jewish sources black skin is seen beautiful rather than disfiguring. According to another legend, Noah cursed Ham because he castrated his father.

The concepts were introduced into Islam during the Arab expansion of the 7th century, due to the cross-pollination of Jewish and Christian parables and theology into Islam, called "Isra'iliyyat". Some medieval Muslim writers – including Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari, Ibn Khaldun, and even the later Book of the Zanj – asserted the view that old biblical texts describe the effects of Noah's curse on Ham's descendants as being related with blackness, slavery, and a requirement not to let the hair grow past the ears. The account of the drunkenness of Noah and curse of Ham is not present within the text of the Quran, the Islamic holy book, as it is not consistent with Islamic teachings, since Noah is a prophet, and prophets do not drink alcohol. Islam holds prophets of God in very high esteem, and some Muslims suggest the prophets are infallible.

Historically, other Muslim scholars such as Ahmad Baba al-Timbukti criticized the Curse of Ham narrative and they went on to criticize the association of black Africans with slaves. Others, such as Ibn Kathir, more broadly criticised the Isra'iliyyat tradition, and avoided using such reports when explaining verses of the Quran.

In Islamic tradition, in the Farewell Sermon Muhammad said: "O people, your Lord is one and your father [ Adam] is one. There is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab, nor a non-Arab over an Arab; no superiority of a white person over a black person, nor superiority of a black person over a white person – except through mindfulness of God."

Medieval serfdom and "Pseudo-Berossus"
In medieval Christian exegesis, Ham's sin was regarded as laughter (for mocking his father and doing nothing to rectify his condition).

Elsewhere in Medieval Europe, the curse of Ham also became used as a justification for serfdom. Honorius Augustodunensis (c. 1100) was the first recorded to propose a caste system associating Ham with serfdom, writing that serfs were descended from Ham, nobles from Japheth, and free men from Shem. However, he also followed the interpretation of 1 Corinthians 7:21 by Ambrosiaster (late 4th century), which held that as servants in the temporal world, these "Hamites" were likely to receive a far greater reward in the next world than would the Japhetic nobility.

The idea that serfs were the descendants of Ham soon became widely promoted in Europe. An example is Dame Juliana Berners (c. 1388), who, in a treatise on hawks, claimed that the "churlish" descendants of Ham had settled in Europe, those of the temperate Shem in Africa, and those of the noble Japheth in Asia (a departure from normal arrangements, which placed Shem in Asia, Japheth in Europe, and Ham in Africa), because she considered Europe to be the "country of churls", Asia of gentility, and Africa of temperance. As serfdom waned in the late medieval era, the interpretation of serfs being descendants of Ham decreased as well.

Ham also figured in an immensely influential work Commentaria super opera diversorum auctorum de antiquitatibus (Commentaries on the Works of Various Authors Discussing Antiquity). In 1498, Annius of Viterbo claimed to have translated records of Berossus, an ancient Babylonian priest and scholar; which are today usually considered an elaborate forgery. However, they gained great influence over Renaissance ways of thinking about population and migration, filling a historical gap following the biblical account of the flood. According to this account, Ham studied the evil arts that had been practiced before the flood, and thus became known as "Cam Esenus" (Ham the Licentious), as well as the original Zoroaster and Saturn (Cronus).

He became jealous of Noah's additional children born after the deluge, and began to view his father with enmity, and one day, when Noah lay drunk and naked in his tent, Ham saw him and sang a mocking incantation that rendered Noah temporarily sterile, as if castrated. This account contains several other parallels connecting Ham with Greek myths of the castration of Uranus by Cronus, as well as Italian legends of Saturn and/or Camesis ruling over the Golden Age and fighting the Titanomachy. Ham in this version also abandoned his wife who had been aboard the ark and had mothered the African peoples, and instead married his sister Rhea, daughter of Noah, producing a race of giants in Sicily.

American/European slavery, 17th and 18th centuries
The explanation that black Africans, as the "sons of Ham", were cursed, possibly "blackened" by their sins, was sporadically advanced during the Middle Ages, but its acceptance became increasingly common during the slave trade of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. The justification of slavery itself through the sins of Ham was well suited to the ideological interests of the elite; with the emergence of the slave trade, its racialized version justified the exploitation of African labour. In the parts of Africa where Christianity flourished in its early days, while it was still illegal in Rome, this idea never took hold, and its interpretation of scripture was never adopted by the African Coptic Churches. A modern Amharic commentary on Genesis cites the nineteenth century theory and the earlier European theory which state that blacks were subjected to whites as a result of the curse of Ham, but it calls this belief a false teaching which is unsupported by the text of the Bible, it emphatically points out that Noah's curse did not fall upon all of the descendants of Ham, instead, it only fell upon the descendants of Canaan, and it asserts that the curse was fulfilled when Canaan was occupied by Semites (Israel) and Japhetites. The commentary further notes that Canaanites ceased to exist as a political force after the Third Punic War (149 BC), and as a result, their current descendants are unknown and they are also scattered among all peoples.

The Anglo-Irish scientist Robert Boyle – a seventeenth-century polymath who was also a theologian and a devout Christian – refuted the idea that blackness was caused by the curse of Ham, in his book Experiments and Considerations Touching Colours (1664). There, Boyle explains that the curse of Ham as an explanation for the complexion of coloured people was but a misinterpretation that was embraced by "vulgar writers", travelers, critics, and also "men of note" of his time. In his work, he challenges that vision, explaining:

"And not only we do not find expressed in the Scripture, that the Curse meant by Noah to Cham, was the Blackness of his Posterity, but we do find plainly enough there that the Curse was quite another thing, namely that he should be a Servant of Servants, that is by an Ebraism, a very Abject Servant to his Brethren, which accordingly did in part come to pass, when the Israelites of the posterity of Sem, subdued the Canaanites, that descended from Cham, and kept them in great Subjection. Nor is it evident that Blackness is a Curse, for Navigators tell us of Black Nations, who think so much otherwise of their own condition, that they paint the Devil White. Nor is Blackness inconsistent with Beauty, which even to our European Eyes consists not so much in Colour, as an Advantageous Stature, a Comely Symmetry of the parts of the Body, and Good Features in the Face. So that I see not why Blackness should be thought such a Curse to the Negroes... [author's italics and capitalization]"

A number of other scholars also support the claim that the racialized version of the curse of Ham was devised at that time because it suited the ideological and economic interests of the European elite and the slave traders who wanted to justify their exploitation of African laborers. While Robinson (2007) claims that such a version was non-existent before, historian David Brion Davis also argues that contrary to the claims of many reputable historians, neither the Talmud nor any early post-biblical Jewish writing relates blackness of the skin to a curse whatsoever.

Abyssinia
In what is now Ethiopia, the Abyssinian Church justified slavery with its version of the Curse of Ham.

Latter Day Saint movement
In 1835, Joseph Smith, the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement, published a work which was titled the Book of Abraham. It explicitly states that an Egyptian king who is referred to by the name of Pharaoh was a descendant of Ham and the Canaanites, who were black, that Noah had cursed his lineage so they did not have the right to the priesthood, and that all Egyptians descended from him.

It was later considered scripture by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church). This passage is the only one which is found in any Mormon scripture that bars a particular lineage of people from holding the priesthood, and, while nothing in the Book of Abraham explicitly states that Noah's curse was the same curse which is mentioned in the Bible or that the Egyptians were related to other black Africans, it later became the foundation of church policy with regard to the priesthood ban. The 2002 edition of the Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual points to Abraham 1:21–27 as the reason why black men were not given the priesthood until 1978.

In 1836, Smith taught that the curse of Ham came from God, and it stated that blacks were cursed with servitude. He warned those who tried to interfere with slavery that God could do his own work. In 1835 Smith said God had told him, "it is not right that any man should be in bondage one to another". Smith started expressing more anti-slavery positions starting in 1842. In 1844, when Smith ran for president of the United States in the wake of widespread opposition to Mormon settlement in Illinois, he advocated for the abolition of slavery by the year 1850.

After Smith's 1844 death, Brigham Young became his most popular successor during the succession crisis. Young maintained that Black Africans were under the curse of Ham and he also maintained that those who tried to abolish slavery were going against the decrees of God, although the day would come when the curse would be nullified through the saving powers of Jesus Christ. In addition, based on his interpretation of the Book of Abraham, Young believed that, as a result of this curse, negroes were banned from the Mormon priesthood.

In 1978, LDS Church president Spencer W. Kimball said that he received a revelation that extended the priesthood to all worthy male members of the church without regard to race or color. In 2013, the LDS Church denounced the curse of Ham explanation for the withholding of the priesthood from black Africans.

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This page appears dead, and is redundant to List of United States Supreme Court cases, should it be merged? --Barberio 01:35, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Other editors disagree. See the corresponding discussion on Talk:List of United States Supreme Court cases. Mateo SA | talk 05:13, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the appearance - the page is not dead, but rather new, and yet to be populated. Also, as explained at Talk:List of United States Supreme Court cases, it is not redundant, as these involve a separate court system. -- BD2412 talk 02:37, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

So...
I'm assuming in this case "state supreme court" implies the highest court in the system, not just the one with that name? 68.39.174.238 23:46, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, the court of last resort for the state. bd2412  T 00:26, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

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GENRE
Stop bloody changing/deleting that entry. Need any more evidence? Read.

http://www.leedsmusicscene.net/article/8572/

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=98661

http://www.alternative2punk.com/2008/06/from-autumn-to-ashes-live-at-looney.html

http://www.purevolume.com/fromautumntoashes

http://designermagazine.tripod.com/FromAutumnToAshesINT1.html

http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=25605

http://albumfreak.net/content/view/77/1/

http://artists.letssingit.com/from-autumn-to-ashes-gl21q/biography

As if Fran's and Brian's own words are not enough. Jesus Christ people. Iceness (talk) 00:43, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Metal/Emo?
From Autumn To Ashes is metalcore. That pretty much isn't debateable. They have a couple of non metalcore tracks on their cd, but that's hardly enough to define them as a crossover of metal and emo. Metal/emo is usually called metalcore anyway. I'm changing the genre to metalcore.

unrealshadow13

Wouldn't call them metalcore buddy, they elements of metal, hardcore and 3rd wave emo, but i wouldn't go as far as calling them metalcore, that tag is reserved for bands like Bullet for My Valentine and Atreyu. Jaredpaik 05:19, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Definitely metalcore. If anyone removes this, we may have to talk to an admin to prevent a genre war. --Wick3dd (talk) 21:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Definitely not, User:Wick3dd. They're a mashing of emo and hardcore, but i don't hear any metal influence whatsoever. Jaredpaik 01:43, 20 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaredpaik (talk • contribs)

Of Course, that band plays Metalcore! The riffs, double bass, the vocals etc. The band has nothing in common with Hardcore-Punk or emotional Hardcore-Punk. I've changed the genre from "Emo" to Metalcore. And in the interview, which was used to discribe FATA as emo, the interwiewer also says, that they are "emotional Metalcore".

mc-ralph (German Wikipedia) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.75.68.102 (talk) 17:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I don't understand where the "emo" genre is coming from. Metalcore, yes, I don't know how you can debate that. Everything except their newest album was metalcore. Emo? No. Unless someone has a reliable source, I'm removing it. -- FatalError (talk | contribs) 00:39, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

The first three albums were metalcore with the double bass, more throaty vocals and the guitars. The new album it could be argued crosses over into post-hardcore as the vocals sound much more like the post-hardcore of now. 79.74.113.235 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 16:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

 * You people have no idea what you're talking about.

Metalcore = hardcore metal = metal with hardcore vocals. Aka Killswitch, Shadows Fall and Bullet For My Valentine. NOT From Autumn To Ashes. Anyone of you who says FATA has anything to do with metal - you just have no clue how to play guitar and how it defines the genre.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Emo/Positive_Factors

Read that, and let me know if there's any line that FATA doesn't apply to. That, and FATA's official myspace had them classified as Hardcore/Emo/Other until they had changed it to Other/other/other just a few months ago. Iceness (talk) 00:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

some of the early songs are metalcore-ish. The after dinner payback is pretty metalcore-ish. but id say that they lean more towards screamo, especially with the last album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.221.175.100 (talk) 02:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

"Autumn"?
I've notice that the word/name "Autumn" appears a fair amount in some of From Autumn to Ashes's songs, on both Too Bad You're Beautiful and The Fiction We Live. Is there some sort of significance of this character, especially with the female singer?

It's an ongoing story, there was some talks of a book a while back, though I could be wrong.

Yes, "Autumn" and "Ashes" are both fictional characters that, former frontman, Benjamin Perri and Fran Mark were, at one time, planning to write a book around exploring and explaining the signifigance of the name.

So. Is the story going to continue on between the two with future albums since Perri left?Teamforcefrontman13 (talk) 23:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

release dates?
what is the deal with the release dates? there is a rather large discrepancy between the years given in the article, and with those listed in the discography. someone want to clarify this? Gordonjay 05:01, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Love It Or Left It?
What about that song they have on their myspace? I sent them a message asking if it was out yet and they said it would be in their next album, but it's not in Holding a Wofl by the Ears. Anyone know when they are releasing it?

Content of Article
half the article is about ben's departure. shouldn't there be more info on the band themself, to balance with the amount of info about ben's departure. and almost everything in the ben's departure section is a blog, shouldn't someone rewrite it? 60.231.89.151 05:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Former Members
Shouldn't the former members section be put back? All band pages on wikipedia have a former members section in the info box and in the main article, so why not this band too?

Ben's Departure
Shouldn't there be something about Ben losing focus and quitting the band? Jaredpaik 05:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

GA on hold

 * Is there a free image of the whole band?
 * Not one that has an acceptable license on Flickr at the present moment. I can search for one with all the members and go through trying to get the user to give permission after the review, since the image doesn't really play too large of a role in this case. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Ref 1 needs publisher
 * ✅ Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

 * "while Mark had provided " - change "while" to "with", remove "had", "provided" to "providing"
 * ✅ Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

 * "the band released Holding a Wolf by the Ears." - needs an "and" before the "the"
 * I'm not sure it does? There is already the "and" before: and in 2007, the band released Holding a Wolf by the Ears. -00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * "had sung clean vocals" - remove "had"
 * ✅ Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Go over the first paragraph of the history section. Lots of "however"s that need fixing, etc. Tempted to fail on the prose...
 * ✅ Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

 * "sold 50,000 records in the United States[9] and thus" - need some sort of punctuation under the ref
 * ✅ Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

 * "during which time Josh Newton (bass) joined[3] as Pilato left along with Gross." - same again
 * ✅ Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

 * "It was revealed in 2007, in interviews[11] and" - again
 * ✅ Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

 * "In 2002 under the music label Tribunal" - why did they change label?
 * I can't find an explanation why they released the EP under the label, just that they did. More searching will be done if necessary. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Recommended. :) dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 10:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * "like their previous [album], [this one] contains it's share of PSAT words, and overtly maudlin pseudo-poetry, but it's still a big improvement" - I don't see what PSAT has to do with this...(as in, is that the right wlink)?
 * Basically, saying that it has a share of PSAT words refers to how the PSAT test utilized a lot of a wordy diction; so either saying it's PSAT quality could mean that the album does as well, but more on a teenage level for its a lower test than the SAT. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Aah, OK, makes sense. dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 10:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * "The song "The After Dinner Payback" also appears on the soundtrack for the horror film Freddy vs. Jason." - change to past tense and add ref
 * ✅ Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

 * "The album 's stemmed from the idea that"
 * ✅ Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

 * "aversion.com reviewer Matt Schild" - websites aren't in italics. Also, can you get a more notable review for the album...?
 * ✅ There is a review from CMJ which I'll add if that's more notable. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

 * "Perri, "never came out to any of the practices and he had no involvement. But that was also the way it was when we wrote Abandon Your Friends"." - who said this?
 * ✅ Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Same with the next few quotes
 * ✅ Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

 * "Andrew Lawless of threemonkeysonline.com had wrote that the band was "eerily reminiscent of Iron Maiden"" - Merge into another paragraph
 * ✅ Fixed. -Lindsey8417 (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Leave a note on my talk page when done. Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 09:09, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Passed. dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 10:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Much thanks! Will start looking for a better image soon :D -Lindsey8417 (talk) 10:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Not Screamo
They're metalcore. Allmusicguide is notorious for giving inaccurate genre descriptions.--SilverOrion (talk) 08:45, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It's Over.
What. The. Fuck. 200.153.163.221 (talk) 01:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

They are not doing any new album, :( I liked their music —Preceding unsigned comment added by Visio159 (talk • contribs) 16:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

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Release date wrong
Sin, Sorrow, and Sadness came out in 2000, not 2002. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.161.188.11 (talk) 18:16, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

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WKOI-TV

WKOI-TV (channel 43) is a television station licensed to Richmond, Indiana, United States, broadcasting the Ion Television network to the Dayton, Ohio, area. The station is owned and operated by the Ion Media subsidiary of the E.W. Scripps Company. Transmission facilities are provided by unrelated NBC affiliate WDTN (channel 2), which shares its digital channel with WKOI-TV through a channel sharing agreement, along with WDTN's sister station, Springfield, Ohio–licensed CW affiliate WBDT (channel 26); the transmitter is located on Frytown Road in southwest Dayton. For the purposes of its FCC correspondence, WKOI's official 'studio' facility is located at Scripps Center in downtown Cincinnati (along with many other Ion stations).

History
WKOI-TV signed on May 11, 1982, as an independent station airing religious programming. In 1986, it was purchased by the Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN). As a TBN O&O, the station cleared almost all of the network's programming, only breaking away from the network once a week for local community public affairs programming.

Until June 7, 2018, WKOI-TV's transmitter was located on SR 73 in Milford Township, Butler County, Ohio, near Collinsville, approximately halfway between Richmond and Cincinnati. It thus served as the TBN station for Northern Kentucky, East Central Indiana and a large swath of southwestern Ohio (Greater Cincinnati and the Miami Valley). Even though its transmitter was based within the Cincinnati television market, its city of license, Richmond, is in the Dayton market. Thus, Nielsen counted the station as part of the Dayton market.

TBN entered into an option agreement with Ion Media on November 14, 2017, which gave Ion the option to acquire the licenses of WKOI-TV and three other TBN stations that had sold their spectrum in the Federal Communications Commission (FCC)'s incentive auction; Ion exercised the option on May 24, 2018. The sale was completed on September 25, 2018.

Analog-to-digital conversion
WKOI-TV (along with all other TBN-owned full-power stations) shut down its analog signal, over UHF channel 43, on April 16, 2009. The station's digital signal remained on its pre-transition UHF channel 39, using virtual channel 43. The station's signal was multiplexed, carrying TBN on 43.1, The Church Channel on 43.2, JCTV on 43.3, Enlace on 43.4 and Smile of a Child on 43.5. Later, The Church Channel became Hillsong Channel, JCTV became JUCE TV and was combined on 43.3 with Smile, and TBN Salsa was added on 43.5.

Spectrum sale and channel sharing agreement
On April 14, 2017, it was reported that WKOI-TV's over-the-air spectrum had been sold in the FCC's spectrum reallocation auction, fetching just over $20 million, with the station expected to go off the air. On March 22, 2018, it was announced that WKOI-TV would share spectrum with unrelated NBC affiliate WDTN.

On June 7, 2018, WKOI-TV began sharing WDTN's digital channel, with all TBN channels dropped, and Ion Television programming appearing on virtual channel 43.1. WDTN also continued to carry Ion Television on virtual channel 2.3, as it had since February 1, 2018; on June 29, 2018, when WDTN's sister station WBDT also began sharing WDTN's digital signal, virtual channel 2.3 was dropped.

Former translators
WKOI-TV's programming was previously relayed on W20CL (channel 20) in Springfield, Ohio, and W36DG (channel 36) in Cincinnati. A deal was reached to sell W20CL (now WLWD-LD in Dayton) to Word of God Fellowship, owner of the Daystar Television Network, on March 19, 2010; W36DG was also sold to Daystar, and is now WDYC-LD.

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Frank Hayes

Frank Hayes may refer to:

 * Frank Hayes (actor) (1871–1923), American comic actor in silent films
 * Frank Hayes (unionist) (1882–1948), American labor leader; president of United Mine Workers of America, 1917–1920; Lieutenant Governor of Colorado
 * Frank Hayes (jockey) (1901–1923), American jockey
 * Frankie Hayes (1914–1955), American baseball player
 * Frank Hayes (cricketer) (born 1946), English cricketer
 * Frank Hayes (musician), American folk musician and information technology writer
 * Frank L. Hayes (1893–1967), American football and basketball player and coach
 * T. Frank Hayes (1883–1965), Lieutenant Governor of Connecticut

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Shoshenq VI

Shoshenq VI is known to be Pedubast I's immediate successor at Thebes based upon the career of the Letter Writer to Pharaoh Hor IX, who served under Osorkon II and Pedubast I (see Hor IX's statue—CGC 42226—which is explicitly dated to Pedubast's reign). Since Shoshenq VI's prenomen is inscribed on Hor IX's funerary cones, this indicates that Hor IX outlived Pedubast I and made his funeral arrangements under Shoshenq VI instead. His prenomen or royal name was "Usermaatre Meryamun Shoshenq" which is unusual because it is the only known example where the epithet "Meryamun" (Beloved of Amun) appears within a king's cartouche. Shoshenq VI's High Priest of Amun was a certain Takelot who first appears in office in Year 23 of Pedubast I.

Shoshenq VI's Year 4 and Year 6 are attested in an inscription carved on the roof of the Temple of Monthu at Karnak by a certain Djedioh and in Nile Quay Text No.25 respectively. Shoshenq VI was presumably Crown prince Osorkon B's chief rival at Thebes after the death of Pedubast I. He was defeated and ousted from power at Thebes in Year 39 of Shoshenq III by Prince Osorkon B. In this decisive Year, Osorkon B explicitly states in Nile Quay Text No.7 that he and his brother, General Bakenptah of Herakleopolis, conquered Thebes and "overthrew everyone who had fought against them." Thereafter, Shoshenq VI is never heard from again.

(NOTE: The old king Shoshenq IV in pre-1993 books and journal articles has been renamed Shoshenq VI by Egyptologists today because he was a Theban king who is only attested by Upper Egyptian documents. This monarch was never a ruler of the Tanite based 22nd Dynasty of Egypt.)

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Mike Karney

Michael John Mario Karney (born July 6, 1981) is a former American football player who was a fullback in the National Football League (NFL) for seven seasons. He played college football for Arizona State University. He was selected by the New Orleans Saints in the fifth round of the 2004 NFL draft, and also played for the NFL's St. Louis Rams.

Early life
Karney was born in San Jose, California. He was raised in Kent, Washington and attended Kentwood High School in Covington, Washington and garnered varsity letters in football and baseball. In football, he was a USA Today High School All-American selection, a PrepStar all-region honoree, named the No. 15 player in the Northwest. Karney rushed for 800 yards and 22 touchdowns as a senior as his team went to the Class 4A state title game, its first appearance in 10 years.

College career
While attending Arizona State University, Karney played for the Arizona State Sun Devils football team. He started 28 of 46 games for the Sun Devils and had 78 yards on 32 carries and 37 receptions for 308 yards and a touchdown. Karney is said to have trained in college by strapping his car to his back and attempt to pull it around. As a senior, he recorded 14 catches for 106 yards and in 2002, opened 11 of 14 games, posting 20 rushing yards on eight carries and hauling in 13 passes for 121 yards. All Pac-10 selection in 2001, opening seven games and playing in every contest. That season had six carries for 18 yards and caught six passes for 39 yards, including a seven-yard touchdown vs. San Diego State.

Pre-draft
Karney was rated as one of the top fullbacks coming out of college.

New Orleans Saints
Karney was selected in the fifth round of the 2004 NFL draft by the New Orleans Saints. Karney was signed to three-year $1.3 million contract on July 29, 2004, and proved to be a solid lead blocker and average receiver out of the backfield. The Saints gave up two picks to draft Karney. In his first two seasons he started 22 of 32 games. He was re-signed to a contract extension prior to the 2006 season (July 13, 2006). The extension was for a reported four-years and $5.6 million including incentives, and included a $1.2 million signing bonus. On December 10, 2006, against the Dallas Cowboys on Sunday Night Football, Karney had his best NFL game, scoring two receiving and one rushing touchdowns, his first three touchdowns in the NFL. After the 2006 season, Karney was voted All-pro.

St. Louis Rams
Karney signed a three-year, $4.9 million contract with the St. Louis Rams on March 11, 2009. The deal includes $1.7 million guaranteed. Karney was needed because, according to ESPN's John Clayton, "The Rams have been struggling at that position since they released Madison Hedgecock early in 2007." Hedgecock ended up starting for the New York Giants in Super Bowl XLII and was Second-team All-Pro and Pro Bowl alternate in 2008. On the day of the Karney signing, Rams head coach Steve Spagnuolo said, "Mike has proven to be a solid fullback since entering the league in 2004. We are excited that he is now a Ram and we looking forward to him being an effective part of our offense in the future." Steven Jackson echoed that saying, "I've seen the holes that he's opened up...I'm looking forward to working with him."

On February 8, 2011, the Rams released Karney.

Seattle Seahawks
Karney visited with the Seahawks on August 30, 2011, but was not signed to a contract by Seattle.

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Cause for Alarm (novel)

Cause for Alarm is a novel by Eric Ambler first published in 1938. Set in Fascist Italy in that year, the book is one of Ambler's classic spy thrillers.

Plot summary
Nicholas Marlow, an English engineer engaged to a young doctor, loses his well-paid job. Increasingly desperate, he responds to an advert from an English engineering company, the Spartacus Machine Tool Company of Wolverhampton. The firm manufactures the "Spartacus Type S2 automatic" boring machine, which is used for shell production. Able to speak some Italian, he is offered the post of the firm's representative in Italy. Marlow gladly accepts, secretly deciding that he will quit the job as soon as possible to go back to England and get married.

On arrival in Milan, Marlow discovers there is a huge backlog at his office, and that his personal assistant Bellinetti is highly inefficient. A lot of his time is diverted by the Italian authorities, to whom he has to report on a regular basis and who eventually claim that they have misplaced his passport so he is unable to leave the country. There is growing uneasiness on Marlow's part when he notices his private correspondence with his fiancée has been steamed open. He makes friends with Andreas Zaleshoff, a Russian spy whose office is in the same building. Marlow learns that his predecessor was murdered, and that Bellinetti is an agent for the OVRA.

Marlow is contacted by a General Vagas, a Yugoslav of German descent, who asks Marlow to spy for him. Zaleshoff informs Marlow that Vagas is actually a German agent, and encourages Marlow to accept the offer and feed Vagas information supplied by Zaleshoff. Zaleshoff's intention is to sow discord in the alliance between Italy and Germany.

Vagas's wife reports him to the Italian authorities, and an arrest warrant is issued for Marlow. Assisted by Zaleshoff and his sister Tamara, Marlow succeeds in escaping from Milan. The two men embark on a several-day-long journey by train and on foot until they reach the Yugoslav border. From Zagreb, Marlow can safely travel home to England.

Context
Like many of Ambler's novels, it features an amateur hero who is out of his depth.

The characters of Zaleshoff and Tamara also play a significant role in Ambler's novel Uncommon Danger.

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Social and Decision Sciences (Carnegie Mellon University)

The Department of Social and Decision Sciences (SDS) is an interdisciplinary academic department within the Dietrich College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Carnegie Mellon University. The Department of Social and Decision Sciences is headquartered in Porter Hall in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and is led by Department Head Gretchen Chapman. SDS is known for research and education programs in decision-making in public policy, economics, management, and the behavioral social sciences.

History
The Department of Social Sciences was established in 1976, as part of the Dietrich College of Humanities and Social Sciences under Dean John Patrick Crecine with approval from Heinz College Dean Otto Davis, which previously housed the program. The department was staffed by political scientists, sociologists, and economists from within the Dietrich College, the Heinz College, and the Tepper School of Business. In the 1980s, the department was led by Patrick D. Larkey and developed the undergraduate information systems program which became a huge success, eventually being spun off into an independent interdisciplinary program in the Dietrich College. In 1985, Robyn Dawes joined the department and began to re-focus it into its current form and expertise in behavioral decision-making and caused it to be renamed as the Department of Social and Decision Sciences. Carnegie Mellon's Institute for Technology and Security was spun off of the department in 2015 (As the Institute for Politics and Strategy).

Education
The department runs undergraduate Bachelor of Science programs in Decision Science and Policy and Management and a Bachelor of Arts program in Behavioral Economics, Policy, and Organizations as well as minors in Decision Science and Policy and Management. Further, SDS is a partner in various interdisciplinary undergraduate programs such as the Sociology minor, Environmental Policy program, and the Quantitative Social Science Scholars program. At the master's degree level, SDS partners with several other colleges and departments for the Engineering and Technology Innovation Management program. The graduate PhD program allows doctoral students options in Social and Decision Sciences, Behavioral Decision Research (BDR) as well as a joint PhDs in Behavioral Decision Research and Psychology with the Department of Psychology, Behavioral Marketing and Decision Research and Behavioral Economics with the Tepper School of Business, and a joint MD-PhD Medical Scientist Training program with the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine. SDS also hosts an executive education program in behavioral economics. Students are trained in policy analysis and research methods. SDS is also closely associated with its spin-off programs: the undergraduate Information Systems program and the Institute for Politics and Strategy.

Research
The department's primary focus lies in interdisciplinary research, particularly in the intersection of politics and sociology with economics, psychology and human decision making. Statistics, microeconomics, rational decision theory and game theory are among the many areas of specialization. SDS faculty are very involved in interdisciplinary research throughout the university, and are drawn from fields as diverse as economics, psychology, sociology, history, management science, and political science. SDS is affiliated with several labs and centers:
 * Behavioral Economics and Decision Research Policy Lab
 * Center for Behavioral and Decision Research
 * Center for Risk Perception and Communication
 * Data-Driven Diversity Lab
 * Dynamic Decision Making Laboratory

As part of the Center for Behavioral Decision Research, SDS manages the Data Truck and managed the Carnegie Mellon Research Cafe. The Data Truck is a mobile behavioral science lab. The Research Cafe was a cafe located in downtown Pittsburgh and was designed to perform behavioral research outside of the student population on the main Carnegie Mellon Pittsburgh campus where the SDS labs are located. The cafe is now closed.

Rankings
In 2006, an Institute for Operations Research and the Management Sciences study gave four of five stars to the graduate program in prescriptive decision making and five stars in descriptive decision making. These two ratings tied the department for first place among decision science programs in the United States with Duke University and the University of Pennsylvania.

Faculty
SDS is home to faculty in the fields of decision science, decision support systems, behavioral economics, organizational behavior, risk analysis, management science, and complex social systems. Some notable faculty members (both current and past) include Baruch Fischhoff, Paul Fischbeck, Robyn Dawes, George Loewenstein, Cleotilde Gonzalez, Jennifer Lerner, Kathleen Carley, David Krackhardt, Steven Klepper, Linda C. Babcock, Lee Branstetter, David A. Hounshell, William Keech, John H. Miller, Mark Kamlet, Roberto Weber, Herbert A. Simon, Jendayi Frazer, Kiron Skinner, Sara Kiesler, John Patrick Crecine, Cristina Bicchieri, Joseph Born Kadane, Daniel M. Oppenheimer, Patrick D. Larkey, and Otto Davis. The current faculty consists of 20 full-time members with additional associated and adjunct faculty, staff, and fellows. In addition the department works closely with the departments of Engineering and Public Policy, Psychology, Tepper School of Business, Heinz College, Institute for Security and Technology, and the Information Systems program. Many SDS faculty have joint appointments in these departments.


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Tone King

Tone King is a manufacturer of vacuum tube guitar amplifiers and stand-alone attenuators located in Baltimore, Maryland, U.S. Tone King was founded by Mark Bartel in 1993 in Kingston, New York, after studying vintage fender amplifiers with blues guitarist Ben Prevo. In 1994 Mark moved the company to Baltimore. Tone King is one of the boutique "vintage" amplifier companies making Fender style amps. Tone King was owned by the company Premier Builders Guild (PBG). In 2016 PBG went out of business and sold the Tone King brand to Boutique Amps Distribution (BAD), which now manufacturers these amps in Huntington Park, California.

In January 2016, Tone King introduced the new Royalist 45 Mk II amplifier, an updated version of Tone King's Royalist amplifier, known for its low-gain British sound qualities. That same month, Tone King introduced an updated version of its Ironman attenuator, the Ironman II Mini.

There are 4 different amplifiers in the current lineup that all feature the Ironman compensated reactive load attenuation: Gremlin Combo, Falcon Grande Combo, Imperial Head and Combo, Sky King.

Critical acclaim
Of the Tone King Ironman II Mini attenuator, Guitar Player magazine reviewer Dave Hunter said this in a June 28, 2016 review: "The Ironman II Mini will go down to whisper-quiet, and sound reasonably good in the process, but the better test was in knocking off a reasonable 6dB to 9dB, at which levels I found it impressively accurate and unobtrusive."

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plyrics

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The result of the debate was delete. Joyous (talk) 01:14, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Plyrics
A website with a forum attached to it. Wikipedia is not a web directory. Francs2000 | Talk 01:41, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless re-written. No particularly useful content at present, but the site's alexa rank is a surprisingly respectable 6,059. Flowerparty  talk 02:05, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Abstain. 138,000 google results. That plus its Alexa rank may be grounds for notability, but it would definitely need a rewrite. Jaxl | talk 02:50, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Jaxl | talk 03:59, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete per nominator. The content here is very poor and, if cleaned up and pared back to the facts...there'd be nothing but the link which would be grounds for a speedy. Being a website doesn't make you more notable than most of the other 8 billion websites. -Splash 03:38, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete it, revive it, then delete it again for good measure. Non-encyclopedic article can serve no purpose but to promote their web site.  --DavidConrad 03:56, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a web directory or advertising service. Isomorphic 04:05, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, WP:NOT. Radiant_ >|< 08:09, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as advertising. - Mgm|(talk) 08:17, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, if they hate n00bs so much, why are they advertising? the wub  "?/!"  11:01, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. It's a relatively popular website that I use rather frequently, but it's lacking any real content at the moment. --Tothebarricades 23:31, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete but leave the possibility of rewrites/resubmissions open, as it is definitely a notable site. A non-POV entry would be acceptable IMHO. -HX 23:44, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Shem(talk) 00:18, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete NPOV and original research. Also, see Splash. Lomedae 00:28, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete This page uses words like "n00bs" indicating that it is advertising. This is what the article appears to be. There are also several opinions in the article as well.--Rschen7754
 * Sorry, didn't realize that it was an actual "word". My opinion remains. --Rschen7754 22:06, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Breath control

Mirage5000 02:25, 13 September 2005 (UTC) Okay, if you look at the article it used to be directed to (erotic asphyxtiation-sp?), you'll see it listed as breath control play, not breath control. They are entirelly different things and should be kept seperate.

Disambiguation
I agree with the above comment. "erotic asphyxiation" as much of a fad as it may have become, may be called "breath control play" by some, but it should not be referenced here. Asphyxiation is not breath control, it is external disruption of the breath. Let it be referenced in strangulation.

And while items like this find their way onto the page I am surprised that Breath Control as a MIDI parameter is not referenced here, after all that is literally Breath Control. --APDEF (talk) 07:03, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

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Talk:Live A Live

Untitled
I hope this is a good start--I felt the previous synopses were too unspecific and didn't give enough information about the chapters; I realize, though, that I may have been more specific (much more) than necessary. At the very least, I think the variations of Odio for the different bosses should be noted, though it's up to you. Just...don't revert it out of hand, please.

--67.161.120.7, 8/24/05.

Name
I never could make sense of this game's title, but after seeing an article including it (here), it all makes sense: it should be Live a Life. The English title on the front must be Engrish - either that, or Square's executives thought that the title would look cool with the inverted "LIVE," knowing Japanese kids wouldn't know the difference anyways. The title fits perfectly - you get to live out different lives. Do you think this should call for a name change or not? --Tristam 23:13, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

The name of the game is Live A Live. Yes, it is Engrish, but that's the name.Viewer 23:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Also did you notice that it's Live A Evil on the picture :D --Sniper89 17:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Anime References
Currently, the section on the "Flow" chapter says there are references to Evangelion. However, Evangelion didn't come out until a year after Live-a-Live was released, and according to the Eva wiki page the first chapters of the manga weren't even published until 3 months after the game came out. So despite how very similar the two concepts are, Live-a-live does not reference Eva. 134.71.132.141 08:48, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I was reading through the article and noticed this too, and if anything, Evangelion borrowed the idea from Live-A-Live. I guess it's logical to remove this line.--Koheiman 03:49, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Clarification
In the description of the Wild West chapter, "They shoot down most of the members of the gang, until the leader, O. Dio, comes at them with a Gatling gun.", there's no mention that the main plotline involves gathering and setting up various traps during the night, to get rid of as many minions as possible when they arrive at sunset for the final battle.

In the description of the Oersted scenario, I found several things somewhat misleading:
 * "Hash soon dies, as he used the last of his strength in the battle." - he dies of bleeding after his plague disease finally overcomes him.

 * "After Oersted slays Straybow, Alicia appears and declares her undying love for Straybow before killing herself." - makes it sound like she secretly loved him throughout the entire game. In the (fan-)translation she says the following: "Stay away! ... Why... why didn't you come for me...? I waited for you! Oh, how I waited... But... it was Straybow who came for me! He... He always suffered in your shadow... You could never understand how awful it is to always be the loser! Straybow... It's alright... I... I'll always be with you! *stabs herself*". This makes me think that instead, during the short time he was alone with her, Straybow managed to feed her enough lies / personal problems so that she sympathized with him.

In the final chapter, "Odio draws the heroes of the previous chapters together in one place and time, and challenges them to a final battle. After Odio is defeated by the heroes, he gains an understanding of why they continue to fight, before he dies.". As an alternative ending, playing as Oersted, he will take over all the previous boss battles to slaughter the protagonists, or trigger Armageddon if defeated.

Not sure if such details are needed, just wanted to point it out. Theultramage (talk) 08:58, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm the primary author of the current revision of the plot summary. Before I worked on it, it was 7 pages long, giving way more detail than we needed in a Wikipedia article. My primary goal was to cut out the massive amount of fat in the summary, leaving only the meat necessary to understanding the story. If I cut anything that was important, or introduced erronious information, I can't offer an excuse, only the explanation that I have never played the game before, and as such, didn't know it was important/wrong. Feel free to fix the summary any way you feel necessary. If you want to add information, please do so within reason, so it doesn't get too long again. If you can improve other parts of the article as well, we'd apreciate it. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 05:49, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

The Trivia section
The trivia section currently takes up half of this article. It is full of unsourced information that I must assume is Original Research. I don't want to be accused of vandalism, but this cannot stay the way it is. I'll wait a few days for it to be sourced and moved to a better place in the article, but if it's not sourced in a few days, I'm cutting the whole section. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 08:45, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

June 09 Rewrite
Hi, I've never really contributed something as big as a rewrite to Wikipedia before, but I'm a big fan of this game and this article frankly needed it. I rewrote every word of the article except the music section, which was fine. I understand there's still more work to be done, but it's a lot better as it is (I hope.) I have the knowledge and the desire to improve this article further, so if any more experienced Wikipedians would like to give me some hints on how to do that, I would be glad for the advice. RubilacEx (talk) 09:42, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Request for translation
Unfortunately, as a google search reveals, information on this game practically does not exist in English, so a translation is probably the best option. Currently, I feel the introduction and the sections on Gameplay and Plot are in good shape, but this article could benefit from sections for Development and Reception, as well as more information about Music. The Japanese version of this article is a beast with too much information, so feel free to omit extraneous information at your own discretion. Thank you. --RubilacEx 04:56, 4 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by RubilacEx (talk • contribs)

Plot and characters
The summary of flow doesn't make a lot of sense. What happens to the Crusader gang? Why did Matsu have to sacrifice himself? What is the mech? Maybe the information on Akira's family should be deleted, and more should be said about what happens.

Also, the characters part is at the moment pointless: it hardly says anything about them, and it looks like a repetition of the story part. Jelt (talk) 20:46, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm responsible for the current version of the plot summary and character section. I based them on a story revision that, if memory serves, was 10 pages long when printed out. I don't remember the previous revision answering the first or second question, but for the third, I usually think of a mech as a giant fighting robot that you control from within. As for flow, the story in the game seems to just be structured like that; a set of independent stories that seem to have no connection until the end. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 07:46, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I know that the previous plot summary wasn't good, but I think for the flow chapter, a summary like this would be better:
 * "In the near future in Japan, a biker gang called the Crusaders has been kidnapping people with unknown intentions. A young orphan with psychic powers named Akira Tadokoro grows up with his sister in an orphanage. One day, the Crusaders kidnap an orphan, which is rescued by Akira and his friend Matsu. Thanks to his psychic powers, Akira learns the location of the base of the Crusaders, and discovers there a plot by the Japanese government to liquefy people and use them to power a giant idol named Odeo. Matsu then sacrifices himself to power an ancient mech called Buriki Daioh, which Akira uses to destroy Odeo. Dying, Matsu also reveals to Akira that he is the one who killed his father, and that he took care of him out of guilt."
 * Do you think it's ok (with a few changes), or do you prefer the current version? With my suggestion, you see the events that bring you to the end.

 * Regarding the character section, I just feel that it should be more developed. My problem is that there's little to say about the heroes, and including every "important" character of every story would be very long.
 * Jelt (talk) 22:26, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I took care of the "Flow" section rewrite. I'll leave it to your discretion whether or not you rewrite the characters section, but do be careful with it. I would only include the main protagonists (one per chapter, ie Akira but not Matsu) and the one main antagonist, and I would focus more on the character development as described in the game rather than just what they did, since what they did is already described in the plot summary. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 05:50, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Unknown
Yes, I am the now infamous editor who struck on the fateful day of United States eastern time of 12/9/14!

But in all seriousness, I did create a bit of a mess. However, I also included some important details that this article was missing, but also little things on the side that would have, admittedly, would have better belonged in TV Tropes. Delete what you must, especially that little bit about Odio's vulture wings, which DID come from TV Tropes, but do try to keep in the important details.

I've been obsessed with the concept of this game for awhile (concept, mind you, as in I have never mustered the nerves to play it), and this is my first day of editing just so you know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.223.207.186 (talk) 05:03, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

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White Parker

White Parker (1887–1956) was a son of Mah-Cheeta-Wookey and Quanah Parker, chief of the Comanches. He married Laura E. Clark (1890-1962), a daughter of Reverend and Mrs. M. A. Clark, a former Methodist missionary to the Comanches. They had at least three children: Patty Bertha, Cynthia Ann Joy, and Milton Quanah (1914-1930).

Missionary work
White Parker did Christian missionary work among the Comanche people. He studied for the ministry at Cook Bible School in Phoenix, Arizona. After graduation, Parker joined the Methodist Conference. The Parkers were active in the 1920s and '30s Saturday afternoon street meetings in Lawton, Oklahoma, which was led by Rev. J. Leighton Read, a European-American missionary from Colony, Oklahoma.

Parker had a varied religious background. His father was a member of and leader in the Native American Church. The Parker family brought the first non-Catholic church to the Comanche in the state of Texas. He received his education at a Presbyterian/Reformed institution, but affiliated with the Methodists when no Reformed missionary appointment was available.

Acting career
In 1920, Parker played a lead role in the silent film The Daughter of Dawn, a silent film directed by Norbert A. Myles shot in the Wichita Mountains of Southwest Oklahoma. The story, played by an all-Indian cast of 300 Kiowas and Comanches, includes themes of love story, battle, dance, deceit, combat, and concludes with a happy ending.

This is a historically important film in American cinema as it is the first full-length movie of an American Indian story, and that uses all American Indian actors. The film was restored by the Oklahoma Historical Society and has been digitized.

Death and legacy
White Parker and his wife are buried in the Highland Cemetery, Lawton, Comanche County, Oklahoma.

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Harsiese

Harsiese (also Horsiese or Harsiesis, plus other variants) was an ancient Egyptian theophoric name, literally meaning "Horus, son of Isis". A related name is Siese. Some people by this name include:
 * Harsiese A, an independent king in Upper Egypt during the Twenty-second Dynasty
 * Harsiese B, a High Priest of Amun from the end of Osorkon II's reign to Year 19 of Pedubast I
 * Harsiese (C), a Second Prophet of Amun
 * Harsiese (High Priest of Ptah), served as High Priest of Ptah during the reign of Psusennes I
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Matthew Labyorteaux

Matthew Charles Labyorteaux (born December 8, 1966) is an American film, television and voice actor. In many of his credits, his last name is spelled as "Laborteaux". He is also credited as Matthew Charles for his work in animation.

He is best known as the voice of Jaden Yuki and The Supreme King in Yu-Gi-Oh! GX from 2005 to 2008. He is also known for portraying Albert Ingalls on Little House on the Prairie from 1978 to 1983.

Early life
Labyorteaux was born in Los Angeles and adopted by interior designer and talent agent Ronald Labyorteaux (1930–92) and actress Frances Marshall, born Frances Newman (1927–2012). He is the younger brother of Patrick, also adopted and also an actor, and Jane. An article in People magazine from 1978 reported that he was born with a hole in his heart, was thought to be autistic for the first five years of his life, and was unable to walk until the age of three or speak until the age of five. His autism symptoms were allegedly managed via changes in his diet and gradually began to disappear by the time he was seven.

Career
Labyorteaux began working in commercials at the age of seven, having been discovered while accompanying his older brother, Patrick Labyorteaux, to a casting call. He shortly thereafter landed his first dramatic role in A Woman Under the Influence, directed and written by John Cassavetes, where he played one of the children of Peter Falk and Gena Rowlands's characters.

Aside from his tenure on Little House on the Prairie, Labyorteaux also starred in the short-lived television series The Red Hand Gang (1977) and Whiz Kids (1983–1984), in addition to several made-for-television movies. His most prominent film role was in Wes Craven's Deadly Friend (1986) as Paul Conway, a young genius who resurrects a dead girl using an artificial intelligence microchip from a robot he created that had previously been destroyed by a malicious neighbor.

He made guest appearances on numerous television shows, including The Rookies, The Bob Newhart Show, Mulligan's Stew, Lou Grant, Here's Boomer (spin-off of The Red Hand Gang), The Love Boat, Simon & Simon (crossover episode with Whiz Kids), Highway to Heaven, Night Court, Paradise, and Silk Stalkings.

More recently, Labyorteaux has worked as a voice actor, providing characterizations in video games and animated features, additional dialogue recording in film and television, and voice-over in advertisements.

Personal life
Labyorteaux is a skilled video game player. In October 1981, he finished in 10th place for Centipede at the Atari, Inc. world championships. In April 1982, he became the United States Pac-Man champion at a People-sponsored tournament, with a score of 1,200,000.

In 1992, Matthew and Patrick founded the Youth Rescue Fund (which was partnered with Los Angeles Youth Supportive Services), a charity organization that assists young people in crisis, and have since engaged in fundraising for youth shelters across the U.S. The organization is no longer active.

On July 17, 2020, Labyorteaux married his wife Leslie. Matthew is the stepfather to Leslie's two children.

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I've started this stub on White Parker from miscellaneous bits and pieces of information I have, hoping that someone will notice and turn it into a decent article. - Rlvaughn 01:52, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

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Most of the trivia is copied verbatim from IMDB -- should this be deleted?

The character's don't believe his name is "warren beaty". Their reaction to that is disbelief and they only call him that due to the fact that it is the only name he provides. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.224.52.40 (talk) 18:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

The line "easily one of the most memorable movies released in the 90's" was worded like an authors opinion. Since there were no sources commenting on how memorable the movie was, I removed that line. Jedakiah (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:05, 3 March 2010 (UTC).

I did most of the edits last week, and forgot to sign in first. Apologies and hope the changes meet expectations. -Eggrolls

PLOT
First line under plot: a "small, independent record store." The place is HUGE for an independent record store. I understand this is my opinion, but it's by no means small. Championship Vinyl (in High Fidelity) is small. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.190.100.165 (talk) 14:40, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That was clearly meant as small as in small independent business with a single location, and not part of a large corporate chain, not small in terms of a floorspace. Rural or suburban stores can have huge amounts of floorspace (practically a warehouse) and still still be 'small business. (High Fidelity was set in Chicago, even that floorspace probably cost a small fortune compared to Delaware.) -- 109.79.171.9 (talk) 15:47, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Empire Records 2
There is someone who keeps adding unreferenced, unverified texts about some sequel titled "Empire Records 2". There is no verified source for this information anywhere. Please stop adding this to the page! Piper13 (talk) 01:13, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Liv Tyler's fame

 * ''Roger Ebert called the film a "lost cause," but presciently wrote that some of the actors might have a future in other, better films; LaPaglia, Cochrane, Embry, Zellweger,  Tyler  and Tunney all went on to achieve significantly greater fame.

Wasn't Liv Tyler already famous when this film was released? --SchutteGod (not logged in) 70.181.183.169 (talk) 21:03, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

 * No, she was her father's daughter, but other than that not really. This was her second film and she did not even headline it. She was also in her father's band's music video. Not by any means "famous". JesseRafe (talk) 21:49, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes and no. Liv Tyler was famous for the video Crazy, as far as that goes (IMO in the '90s that made her quite famous but other opinions exist). As Buzzfeed puts it Tyler was "instantly recognizable to the MTV demo[graphic]". After Empire Records the billboards for Stealing Beauty seemed to be absolutely everywhere, and Armageddon (1998) was huge even if she was only a small part of it, so you could argue she was already famous and got even more famous in the '90s but that is all relatively unimportant. She was mostly famous for being famous rather than ever critically praised for her acting.
 * She may not have been first billed but she did receive the "AND" (final) billing for this film, and is front and center on the poster. I always thought she was the lead. (Even if she was out-acted by Zellweger.)
 * The wording has long since been changed to say "went on to varying levels of success" which is vague enough to say everything and almost nothing at the same time, but it avoids other problems like the one SchutteGod brought up. -- 109.79.171.9 (talk) 15:34, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

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Provenance for Hey Joe
According to the film's credits, the version of "Hey Joe" featured in the film was performed by The Dirt Clods. Contrary evidence indicates that it was performed by the band Body Count, as this same version was included on a 1993 album called Stone Free: A Tribute to Jimi Hendrix.

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Golden Space Needle
I can't cite for this, but I believe that this film winning the Golden Space Needle Award was what led directly to a major change in the balloting for that award. The Golden Space Needle started out as something of a joke; it was mainly an audience popularity award, balloting was very informal, and studios began to realize it could easily be rigged through ballot-box stuffing, which is almost certainly what happened for this film. The next year they changed the system to one where audience members rate a single film at a time, voting only on their way out of the theater where they have just seen it. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:46, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Goofs (or maybe not)
...you can hear the words "drug awareness" clearly, however during the actual interview when the guidance counselor says "drug awareness", Harry is talking at the same time, therefore this song could have not been created from the actual broadcast tape of the show.

Unless of course the mic and phoneline were for some reason panned to opposite stereo channels during the broadcast and the sample was taken from the channel carrying the telephone audio ! 87.113.68.35 17:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The FCC announcing their arrival at a press conference and using brightly painted vans (and a helicopter) is a lot more implausable though.

The Internet
I'm entirely confused by the inclusion of this sentence, under Theatrical Release: "The imminent debut of the internet as the favored mode of expression for the teenage population would soon make the pirate radio antics of Mark Hunter seem quaint and dated by comparison." I took it out. This movie came out in 1990. What teenager was using the Internet in 1990? None, that I know of. That was completely out of place and pretty much untrue. So, I deleted it. Huzzah!

I don't know about anyone else, but I for one spent a TON of time on Bulletin Board Systems and on Prodigy. Perhaps the original writer meant that sort of thing? Most of the preteens & teens I knew were also using these services, and quite a few of my friends ran BBS's also. Just a thought. Pixiestix (talk) 07:10, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

list
what is wrong with that list? it pretty clearly falls under "a list style may be preferable to a long sequence within a sentence" - having a paragraph saying all the actors and their roles would be very awkward. i'll give it awhile in case anyone wants to disagree, then if not i'll take out that box. --dan (talk) 03:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Actually, its really more of a need to make it a real list rather than a table. Per the Film MoS, it should be a real bulletted list with a short summary of each character. AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:36, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

 * okay i understand now. i thought you wanted it in like paragraph form, and that seemed ridiculous. --dan (talk) 00:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

bootleg/soundtrack
and while i'm here complaining, i also would like to put back in that paragraph about the bootleg soundtrack. it doesn't need a huge presence, but if it's out there i think that should be mentioned. thoughts? --dan (talk) 03:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Unless it can be done with RELIABLE sources that do not link to copies of the bootleg, then no, it shouldn't be mentioned. AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:36, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

okay i googled and found nothing good for the bootleg, so i'll grant that. but now, why did you take out the entire (legit) soundtrack track listing? "per Film MoS and project consensus" but the MoS specifically says "If the soundtrack does not have a separate article and is included in the film article use the WikiProject Albums' Track listing guideline" which says to list it basically as it was. and, as it hasn't been discussed at all here, i don't know what consensus you are refering to. --dan (talk) 01:01, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

 * anyone opposed to putting the soundtrack track listing back in? (the real one, not the bootleg) --dan (talk) 07:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Notability of the line, "Eat your cereal with a fork..."
I believe that Mark Hunter's (Christian Slater) line, "Eat your cereal with a fork and do your homework in the dark," is a notable one, worthy of mention in the article. Doniago disagrees and contends that there's no source for its notability. My evidence for its notability is: What do other folks think? --Jeremy Butler (talk) 22:32, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) The phrase is used in Don DeLillo's novel Libra in 1988, before the film was released. He quotes Weird Beard, a DJ, saying, "Eat your cereal with a fork. Do your homework in the dark. And trust your radio before you trust your mother." It appears on page 266, which is unfortunately not part of the book's preview on Amazon or books.google.com. However, the full text is available on The Internet Archive, although without page numbers.
 * 2) *Thus, the quotation relates to the theme of pirate radio found in Pump Up the Volume.
 * 3) It is quoted in Amanda Palmer's song "Ukulele Anthem", which she explains on her tumblr. The DeLillo book is also mentioned in her blog post.
 * 4) *The full lyrics for "Ukulele Anthem" are available on Palmer's Bandcamp page. She re-works the DeLillo original line in interesting ways.
 * I'd feel better about it if there were sources explicitly stating that the uses of the quote in the novel and song were inspired by the movie. Otherwise, for all we know someone randomly said the line in the presence of DeLillo and Palmer and they thought it was good enough to use in their work. We should have sources that make a direct connection between the film and the works in question, not our own interpolation, no matter how likely it may be.
 * I also question whether this belongs in the Plot section in particular, as it doesn't seem especially relevant to the plot. I think it would be more appropriate in a section discussing the legacy of the film, or In Popular Culture or such.
 * TL;DR, this seems like original research and a potential violation of WP:IPCV. DonIago (talk) 00:27, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

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Abdelwahab Abdallah

Abdelwahab Abdallah (عبد الوهاب عبد الله; born 14 February 1940) is a Tunisian politician and diplomat who served as the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Tunisia and was advisor to the President.

Early life
Abdallah was born in Monastir, Tunisia on 14 February 1940.

Career
Before Zine El Abidine Ben Ali was elected the president in 1987, Abdallah was the Minister of Information of Tunisia under Habib Bourguiba. Abdallah was in office until 1988. From 1988 to 1990 he served as the Ambassador of Tunisia to Great Britain. As a member of Constitutional Democratic Rally, he was a close aid to the president of Tunisia since 1990 on economic issues. and led several Tunisian press agencies. He became foreign minister in a cabinet reshuffle on 17 August 2005. His successor, Kamel Morjane was appointed Foreign Minister of Tunisia by President Ben Ali on 14 January 2010.

Following Tunisian protests in 2010-2011, he was removed from his post on 13 January 2011. Abdallah was subsequently put under house arrest on 24 January 2011 while the investigations are ongoing.

Personal life
Abdallah's wife, Alya Abdallah, was appointed president of Banque de Tunisie (BT) in April 2008.

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TV Party

TV Party was a public-access television cable TV show in New York City that ran from 1978 to 1982.

History
After Glenn O'Brien was a guest on the weekly variety television show, The Coca Crystal Show: If I Can’t Dance, You Can Keep Your Revolution, he went on to create his own show, TV Party.

Glenn O'Brien was the host of TV Party; Chris Stein, the co-founder of the pop band Blondie, was the co-host; and Walter "Doc" Steding was the leader of the TV Party orchestra. Amos Poe was the director. Fab Five Freddy (Fred Brathwaite) was a sometime cameraman and guest. Bobby Grossman was the staff photographer. Guests on the show included Mick Jones, David Byrne, Debbie Harry, James Chance, Klaus Nomi, Charles Rocket, Elliott Murphy and Jean-Michel Basquiat.

In 2005 Brink Films has re-released some of the best of the 80 plus episodes on DVD, as well as a documentary about the TV show.

In 2019, public access show The Special Without Brett Davis paid tribute to TV Party, with host Brett Davis portraying O'Brien, alongside performers such as Ziwe Fumudoh and Spike Einbinder.

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Ken Warby

Ken Warby (9 May 1939 – 20 February 2023) was an Australian motorboat racer, who at his death held the water speed record of 275.97 knot, set on Blowering Dam on 8 October 1978.

As a child, Warby's hero was Donald Campbell, who died attempting to break the record in 1967.

The Spirit of Australia
Warby designed the hull of his record-breaking boat, Spirit of Australia, himself and built it in his backyard. He started the project as a Makita salesman who happened to team up with two Leading aircraftmen at RAAF Base Richmond in the early 1970s. Warby bought three military surplus Westinghouse jet engines at auction for only $265. It was not in working order, but Crandall and Cox refurbished it. The Spirit was covered with a canvas tarpaulin when it rained and was made of wood and fibreglass.

On 20 November 1977, he set a new world water speed record of 288.60 mph, breaking the record of Lee Taylor by a little over 3 mph.

With a subsequent 317.6 mph run on 8 October 1978, he set the record that still stands today.

In doing so, he became the first and only person to exceed 300 mph (482.8 km/h) on water and survive. Donald Campbell died on his attempt after his hydroplane crashed at over 320 mph (515 km/h) on his return run in his 1967 record attempt.

Later boats and retirement
By 2003, Warby had designed and built another boat, the Aussie Spirit, with which he planned to increase his own record. Of similar dimensions to Spirit of Australia, it was also powered by a Westinghouse J34 jet engine. The rudder alone on this new boat cost more than the $10,000 all-up cost of the original Spirit. Again, Warby designed, built, self-financed and piloted his own boat. Rule changes meant that a record attempt was never made with it.

Warby retired from record-breaking attempts in 2007. Prior to his death, Ken had been working with his son David on a new boat to break the record. David Warby continues the attempt with the crew that he and his father both used.

Personal life and death
Warby was born in Newcastle, NSW and lived in Australia before moving to Cincinnati, Ohio from 1983 where he died on 20 February 2023 aged 83.

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In Your Eyes

In Your Eyes may refer to:

Film

 * In Your Eyes, a 2004 film featuring Michael DeLorenzo
 * In Your Eyes (2010 film), a Philippine romantic drama
 * In Your Eyes (2014 film), a film written by Joss Whedon and directed by Brin Hill

Albums

 * In Your Eyes (D. Train album) or the title song, 1988
 * In Your Eyes (George Benson album) or the title song (see below), 1983
 * ...In Your Eyes, by Mary MacGregor, or the title song, 1978
 * In Your Eyes (EP), by Gary Hughes, or the title song, 1998
 * In Your Eyes, by Amberlife, 2004
 * In Your Eyes, by Nutshell, 1976
 * ...In Your Eyes, by Andy Fraser, 1975

Songs

 * "In Your Eyes" (George Benson song), 1983
 * "In Your Eyes" (Inna song), 2013
 * "In Your Eyes" (Kylie Minogue song), 2002
 * "In Your Eyes" (Niamh Kavanagh song), winner at Eurovision 1993
 * "In Your Eyes" (Peter Gabriel song), 1986
 * "In Your Eyes" (Robin Schulz song), 2020
 * "In Your Eyes" (The Weeknd song), 2020
 * "In Your Eyes", by Anastacia from Pieces of a Dream, 2005
 * "In Your Eyes", by BadBadNotGood from IV, 2016
 * "In Your Eyes", by Bucks Fizz, a B-side of the single "New Beginning", 1986
 * "In Your Eyes", by Circle Jerks from Golden Shower of Hits, 1983
 * "In Your Eyes", by Dionne Warwick from Dionne, 1979
 * "In Your Eyes", by Jessie Ware from What's Your Pleasure?, 2020
 * "In Your Eyes", by Joan Armatrading from What's Inside, 1995
 * "In Your Eyes", by John Frusciante from Letur-Lefr, 2012
 * "In Your Eyes", by John Norum from Face the Truth, 1992
 * "In Your Eyes", by Rational Youth from Rational Youth, 1983
 * "In Your Eyes", by Shaya, 2011
 * "In Your Eyes", by Status Quo from In the Army Now, 1986
 * "In Your Eyes", by Terry McDermott, 2013
 * "In Your Eyes", by Tribal Seeds, 2011
 * "In Your Eyes", by War from Deliver the Word, 1983

title: In Your Eyes


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