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Title
Should there really be a comma in the title (I know it makes sense in a way, but I don't think I've ever seen the comma used before)? --Camembert 19:10, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Ditto.Hektor 05:24, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, it's been a few weeks since my original query, so I'm going to move the article from here (Lacombe, Lucien) to Lacombe Lucien. Now I come to check, it seems I might have been responsible for the version with a comma, because when I wrote the original Louis Malle article, I mentioned the film with a comma there. I really don't have a clue why; I must have been drinking or something... --Camembert 12:47, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I have sometimes seen the title written with a comma - it's the main character's name, written surname first, i.e. Frost, David. And for example the socialist BBC includes the comma here. However the billboard poster and the IMDB convince me that the comma should go. -Ashley Pomeroy 19:08, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

 * The DVD copy I have in my hands has a comma in name. Luigibob (talk) 03:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Lacombe Lucien in the milice
From my own memory of the film, Lucien Lacombe joins the Gestapo rather than the milice, shouting "Police Allemande" to overpass queuing in front of grocerys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aldejerph (talk • contribs) 14:07, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

The Gestapo or "Geheime Staats Polizei" was Nazi Germany's number one "Home State Police" organization as the name indicates and it was essentially German staffed with headquarters in Berlin. I have carefully watched Lacombe Lucien and it is quite clear that the bad guys in the movie are members of the infamous "Milice Francaise" staffed by French traitors. Of course they were collaborating with the German Gestapo but they were NOT the German Gestapo. When Lucien Lacombe claims he is Gestapo to cut the waiting lines he is bluffing. Gerard De. Believe me I should know because, quite unfortunately, I personally heard first hand of terrible happenings of almost the same kind while living in Nazi occupied France as a youngster in early 1944. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.95.133.142 (talk) 03:03, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

It's Geheime Staatspolizei, and "geheim" means "secret", not "home". Hengistmate (talk) 10:50, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

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I initially removed the Schneider review, thinking that it was just more of the spamming of such information across Wikipedia. After looking at the contributing editor's edit history, I think I was mistaken and the edits were made in good faith. However, I've chosen to keep them out given that the edit still appears highly promotional and gives undue weight to this reviewer. --Ronz (talk) 02:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

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This disambiguation really, really needs cleaning up - three links to active articles is far too few. Tyrhinis 14:31, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Equestrian at the 2004 Summer Olympics – Individual eventing

Balista is a curious name for a horse. Ballista would make (a bit) more sense. I have seen both spellings at large on the web. Can somebody check which is actually correct? Gaius Cornelius 19:11, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

 * According to the official Athens2004 site, it is indeed with the single l. See athens2004.com. My guess is that the name comes from French (Baliste), but that's speculation. — Jonel | Speak 05:05, 17 December 2005 (UTC)


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Bengt Johansson (handball)

Bengt Johansson (25 June 1942 – 8 May 2022) was a Swedish handball player and coach. He was born in Halmstad in south-west Sweden and played in the Sweden men's national handball team between 1964 and 1972. He is better known as being the coach for the Swedish team from 1988 to 2004.

His nickname was Bengan, a common nickname in Sweden for people named Bengt. He was recognisable by his Halmstad dialect way of speaking. He invented a special tactic known as Gurkburken ("The Gherkin Jar"), which he pronounced with his distinguished dialect.

During his time as a coach the Swedish national team (occasionally known as the Bengan Boys), won several international championships, including two World Championships (1990 and 1999), four European Championships (1994, 1998, 2000 and 2002) and three silver medals at the Olympic Games (1992, 1996 and 2000).

He was succeeded as national coach by Ingemar Linnéll.

Johansson died on 8 May 2022, at the age of 79. He suffered from Parkinson's disease.

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List of Colorado Rockies team records

These are lists of Colorado Rockies records from their inception all the way through the 2018 season.

Batting

 * Games: Vinny Castilla, 162 (1998), Neifi Pérez, 162 (1998), Neifi Pérez, 162 (2000)
 * Batting Average: Larry Walker, .379 (1999)
 * On-base percentage: Todd Helton, .469 (2004)
 * Slugging Percentage: Larry Walker, .720 (1997)
 * OPS: Larry Walker, 1.172 (1997)
 * At Bats: Neifi Pérez, 690 (1999)
 * Runs: Larry Walker, 143 (1997)
 * Hits: Dante Bichette, 219 (1998)
 * Total Bases: Larry Walker, 409 (1997)
 * Doubles: Todd Helton, 59 (2000)
 * Triples: Dexter Fowler, 15 (2011)
 * Home Runs: Larry Walker, 49 (1997), Todd Helton, 49 (2001)
 * RBI: Andrés Galarraga, 150 (1996)
 * Walks: Todd Helton, 127 (2004)
 * Strikeouts: Trevor Story, 191 (2017)
 * Stolen Bases: Willy Taveras, 68 (2008)
 * Singles: Juan Pierre, 163 (2001)
 * Runs Created: Todd Helton, 192 (2000)
 * Extra-Base Hits: Todd Helton, 105 (2001)
 * Times on Base: Todd Helton, 323 (2000)
 * Hit by Pitch: Eric Young, 21 (1996)
 * Sacrifice Hits: Royce Clayton, 24 (2004)
 * Sacrifice Flies: Jeff Cirillo, 12 (2000)
 * At Bats per Strikeout: Juan Pierre, 21.3 (2001)
 * At Bats per Home Run: Larry Walker, 11.6 (1997)

Pitching

 * Earned Run Average: Kyle Freeland, 2.85 (2018)
 * Won-Loss percentage: Jorge de la Rosa, .727 (2013)
 * WHIP: Ubaldo Jiménez, 1.12 (2010)
 * Hits Allowed per 9 innings pitched: Ubaldo Jiménez, 6.66 (2010)
 * Walks Allowed per 9 innings pitched: Aaron Cook, 2.04 (2008)
 * Strikeouts per 9 innings pitched: Germán Márquez, 10.5 (2018)
 * Games: Matt Belisle, 80 (2012)
 * Saves: Wade Davis, 43 (2018)
 * Innings: Pedro Astacio, 232 (1999)
 * Strikeouts: Germán Márquez, 230 (2018)
 * Complete Games: Pedro Astacio, 7 (1999)
 * Shutouts: Roger Bailey, 2 (1997), Jason Marquis, 2 (2009), Ubaldo Jiménez, 2 (2010)
 * Home Runs Allowed: Pedro Astacio, 39 (1998)
 * Walks Allowed: Darryl Kile, 109 (1999)
 * Hits Allowed: Pedro Astacio, 258 (1999)
 * Strikeout to Walk: Germán Márquez, 4.04 (2018)
 * Wins: Ubaldo Jiménez, 19 (2010)
 * Losses: Darryl Kile, 17 (1998)
 * Earned Runs Allowed: Pedro Astacio, 145 (1998)
 * Hit Batsmen: Pedro Astacio, 17 (1998)
 * Batters Faced: Darryl Kile, 1,020 (1998)
 * Games Finished: Jose Jimenez, 69 (2002)

Fielding Records

 * Most Putouts: Andrés Galarraga, 1528 (1996)
 * Most Assists: Troy Tulowitzki, 561 (2007)
 * Highest Fielding Average by an Infielder: Todd Helton, .999 (2001)
 * Highest Fielding Average by an Outfielder: Charlie Blackmon, .997 (2018)
 * Most Errors: Walt Weiss, 30 (1996)

Batting

 * Batting Average: Larry Walker, .334
 * On-base percentage: Larry Walker, .426
 * Slugging Percentage: Larry Walker, .618
 * OPS: Larry Walker, 1.044
 * Games: Todd Helton, 2,247
 * At Bats: Todd Helton, 7,962
 * Runs: Todd Helton, 1,401
 * Hits: Todd Helton, 2,519
 * Total Bases: Todd Helton, 4,292
 * Doubles: Todd Helton, 592
 * Triples: Dexter Fowler, 53
 * Home Runs: Todd Helton, 369
 * RBI: Todd Helton, 1,406
 * Walks: Todd Helton, 1,335
 * Strikeouts: Todd Helton, 1,175
 * Stolen Bases: Eric Young, 180
 * Singles: Todd Helton, 1,879
 * Runs Created: Todd Helton, 1,759
 * Extra-Base Hits: Todd Helton, 998
 * Total Plate Appearances: Todd Helton, 9,453
 * Times on Base: Todd Helton, 3,675
 * Hit by Pitch: Larry Walker, 98
 * Sacrifice Flies: Todd Helton, 93
 * Sacrifice Hits: Aaron Cook, 67
 * Intentional Walks: Todd Helton, 185
 * Grounded into Double Plays: Todd Helton, 186
 * At Bats per Strikeout: Juan Pierre, 14.7
 * At Bats per Home Run: Andrés Galarraga, 15.5

Pitching

 * Earned Run Average: Brian Fuentes, 3.38
 * Wins: Jorge de la Rosa, 86
 * Win–loss percentage: Darren Holmes, .639
 * WHIP: Brian Fuentes, 1.24
 * Hits Allowed per 9 innings pitched: Ubaldo Jiménez, 7.47
 * Walks Allowed per 9 innings pitched: Aaron Cook, 2.75
 * Strikeouts per 9 innings pitched: Ubaldo Jiménez, 8.18
 * Games: Steve Reed, 461
 * Saves: Brian Fuentes, 115
 * Innings: Aaron Cook, 1,312 1/3
 * Strikeouts: Jorge de la Rosa, 985
 * Games Started: Aaron Cook, 206
 * Complete Games: Pedro Astacio, 14
 * Shutouts: Jason Jennings & Ubaldo Jiménez, 3
 * Home Runs Allowed: Pedro Astacio, 139
 * Walks Allowed: Jorge de la Rosa, 481
 * Hits Allowed: Aaron Cook, 1,519
 * Strikeout to Walk: Pedro Astacio, 2.58
 * Losses: Aaron Cook, 68
 * Earned Runs Allowed: Aaron Cook, 660
 * Wild Pitches: Ubaldo Jiménez, 49
 * Hit Batsmen: Pedro Astacio, 58
 * Batters Faced: Aaron Cook, 5,630
 * Games Finished: Brian Fuentes, 243

Rockies Team Records

 * Games: 163 (2007), 163 (2018)
 * Wins: 92 (2009)
 * Losses: 103 (2023)
 * Highest Winning Percentage: .568 (2009)
 * Lowest Winning Percentage: .364 (2023)

Batting Records

 * Batting Average: .294 (2000)
 * Hits: 1,664 (2000)
 * Runs: 968 (2000)
 * Singles: 1,130 (2000)
 * Doubles: 333 (1998)
 * Triples: 61 (2001)
 * Stolen Bases: 201 (1996)
 * Home Runs: 239 (1997)
 * Grand Slams: 5 (1994), 5 (1998), 5 (2000), 5 (2002)
 * Pinch-Homers: 11 (1995), 11 (2004)
 * RBI: 909 (1996)
 * Total Bases: 2,748 (2001)
 * Extra-Base Hits: 598 (2001)
 * Slugging Percent: .483 (2001)
 * On-Base Percent: .362 (2000)
 * Hit by Pitch: 82 (1996)
 * Left On Base: 1,198 (2000)
 * Walks: 660 (2009)
 * Intentional Bases on Balls: 64 (2000)
 * Most Strikeouts: 1,543 (2023)

Pitching Records

 * Saves: 51 (2018)
 * Fewest Saves 26 (2001)
 * Most Blown Saves 34 (2001)
 * Complete Games: 12 (1999)
 * Most Runs Allowed: 1,028 (1999)
 * Fewest Runs Allowed: 638 (1994) (117-game season)
 * Most Earned Runs Allowed: 955 (1999)
 * Fewest Earned Runs Allowed: 590 (1994) (117-game season)
 * Most Hits Allowed: 1,700 (1999)
 * Most Walks Allowed: 737 (1999)
 * Most Strikeouts: 1,387 (2018)
 * Most Shutouts: 12 (2010)
 * Lowest ERA: 4.14 (2010)
 * Most Wild Pitches: 82 (1993)
 * Most Homers Allowed: 239 (2001)
 * Fewest Homers Allowed: 120 (1994) (117-game season)
 * Most Hit Batters: 84 (2003), 84 (2005)
 * Most Balks: 22 (1993)
 * Most Pickoffs: 28 (1993)

Fielding Records

 * Highest Fielding Percent: .98925 (2007, MLB Record)
 * Most Assists: 48 (1999)
 * Most Errors: 167 (1993)
 * Fewest Errors: 67 (2007)
 * Most Double Plays: 202 (1997)
 * Most Passed Balls: 22 (1996)
 * Most Games Consecutive, one or more errors 9 (June 18–27, 1996)
 * Most Consecutive Errorless Games: 13 (June 12–24, 1998)

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The Grind Date

The Grind Date is the seventh studio album by American hip hop group De La Soul, released on October 5, 2004. The album was originally intended to be the final album of the Art Official Intelligence (AOI) trilogy, but as the album quickly changed focus, the group decided to put AOI III on hold and finish The Grind Date as a stand-alone work.

Music
The Grind Date is a notably brisker, and leaner work than the group's previous albums, and features a top-of-the-line array of production talents including the late J Dilla (who was part of A Tribe Called Quest's production unit, The Ummah), Madlib ("Shopping Bags (She Got From You)"), and 9th Wonder ("Church"). Producer Supa Dave West, who handled the majority of the AOI albums, also contributes five tracks to the album. "Rock Co.Kane Flow" featuring MF DOOM, was produced by Jake One, and sees Posdnuos addressing some recent trends in Hip hop with the line "Unlike them, we craft gems / so systematically inclined to pen lines / without sayin a producer's name, all over the track". The well received collaboration also brought attention to the then-unknown Jake One.

The album is light on guest appearances and features a total of four guest MCs, including Common. Unlike every De La Soul album before it, The Grind Date contains no skits at all, although a short musical prelude does precede the first song "The Future". The album's conceptual cover and sleeve booklet, based on a 2005 calendar, was designed by Morning Breath Inc.

In November 2014, The Grind Date was reissued by BMG Rights Management to commemorate the album's tenth anniversary.

Critical reception
The album met with a great deal of critical praise, as of February 25, 2008 according to Metacritic, the album has received an average critic score of 80%, based on 21 reviews, thus giving it the "generally favorable reviews" tag.

Pitchfork writer Jamin Warren praises the album writing, "The Grind Date brings together an unimaginable team of the underground's hottest producers and meshes their idiosyncrasies without dissidence." Steve Juon of RapReviews.com who rewarded the album with a perfect score wrote, "They were just waiting for the right time to kick precisely the right rhyme, so that "The Grind Date" would go down not just as an important date in rap history but in the pantheon of all musical endeavours since the dawn of mankind. It's that damn good."

De La Soul, previously known for their skits, gained a lot of support from Stylus Magazine writer Josh Drimmer who wrote, "The Grind Date is as notable for what it lacks—skits, filler, bullshit—than for what it has." Dan Filowitz of Lost At Sea also favored the no skits on The Grind Date, "The Grind Date is almost shockingly excellent. This is De La Soul at their most focused – no skits, no filler, no weird interludes." Fiore Raymond of Entertainment Weekly gave the album a B+ and called it "worth keeping", while Robert Christgau gave it a one-star honorable mention.

Despite generally favorable reviews and positivity towards their new style, especially in production, there were those who didn't praise it. Peter Relic of Rolling Stone wrote, "There's little personality and no surprises here..." and regards to the production "...Flavor Flav's rote shucking on "Come On Down" to Madlib's Chingy-type beat for "Shopping Bags.""

Pitchfork placed the album at number 31 on the "Top 50 Albums of 2004" list.

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Barbara Hall (TV producer)

Barbara Hall (born July 17, 1960) is an American television writer, producer, young adult novelist and singer-songwriter. She is known for creating and producing the legal drama Judging Amy (1999-2005) and the fantasy family drama Joan of Arcadia (2003-2005) as well as the political drama Madam Secretary all for CBS. She was a co-executive producer of the Showtime political thriller Homeland.

Biography
Hall was born in Chatham, Virginia, to Ervis and Flo Hall. Her older sister, Karen Hall, is also a television writer and producer. She graduated from Chatham High School in 1978, and summa cum laude from James Madison University with a Bachelor of Arts degree in English in 1982.

Shortly after graduating from university, Hall became a television writer and producer in Los Angeles, California, and worked on shows including Northern Exposure, Chicago Hope, ER, I'll Fly Away, Anything But Love and Moonlighting. Then she created, wrote and produced the CBS legal drama Judging Amy (1999-2005) and the CBS fantasy family drama Joan of Arcadia (2003-2005). In 2013, she created, wrote and produced the CBS political drama Madam Secretary, which ran from September 21, 2014 to December 8, 2019.

Hall is also a founding member of the alternative country rock band The Enablers, with whom she released the albums The First Seven Songs (2003) and Come Back Soon (2004). In 2005, she released her debut solo album Handsome. Her second album, Bad Man, was released in 2013.

Filmography

 * Judging Amy (1999-2005) Creator, Writer, Producer
 * Joan of Arcadia (2003-2005) Creator, Writer, Producer
 * Army Wives (2008) Writer, Producer
 * Madam Secretary (2014-2019) Creator, Writer, Producer

Novels

 * Skeeball and the Secret of the Universe (1987)
 * Dixie Storms (1990)
 * Fool's Hill (1992)
 * A Better Place (1994)
 * House Across the Cove 1995)
 * Close to Home (1997)
 * A Summons to New Orleans (2000)
 * The Noah Confessions (2007)
 * The Music Teacher (2009)
 * Tempo Change (2009)
 * Charisma (2013)

The Enablers

 * The First Seven Songs (2003)
 * Come Back Soon (2004)

Solo

 * Handsome (2005)
 * Bad Man (2013)

Awards

 * Humanitas Prize for Television
 * Television Critics Association Award
 * TV Guide Award
 * Catholics in Media Award

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Talk:Equestrian at the 2004 Summer Olympics – Team eventing

Balista is a curious name for a horse. Ballista would make (a bit) more sense. I have seen both spellings at large on the web. Can somebody check which is actually correct?

Also, is Michael Winter the actual rider or just a namesake.

I have looked at a few more of the links, it is obvious that nobody has checked them!

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Talk:Shadows Fall

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There are serious neutrality issues with this article. It reads like an advertisement for the band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.202.43.54 (talk) 02:06, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Thrash Metalcore...
anybody noticed that there are quite a few bands that combine both thrash metal and metalcore. There should be a genre called thrash metalcore, not refering to thrashcore or neo-thrash

A...hem...

That is a good point, but let me direct you to this article. Prepare to be Mezmerized! :D 21:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I Like Calling It Melodic Death Thrash Metalcore, Preety Much The Same As Thrash Metalcore But It Sounds Longer Lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by Warhawk2009metal (talk • contribs) 00:13, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

metal
no such thing as true metal have subgenres but dont debate whose true and who isnt cos thats retarded

Shadows Fall are not death metal. Shadows Fall is thrash. Shadows Fall is not melodic death metal. Shadows Fall incorporates elements of metalcore and hardcore into it's music. Calling Shadows Fall "true metal music" is an opinion. I am revising it to say the following:

Shadows Fall is a modern American thrash metal band with hardcore and metalcore influences.

I don't think that can be disputed.

unrealshadow13

 * Of course it can. Writing that it has both metalcore and hardcore influences is redundant. Metalcore is nothing more than very hardcore-influenced metal, so including both in there is silly. I don't see Shadows fall as being primarily any one genre, but if I had to go with something, I would say that it is melodic death metal, with prominent thrash metal and hardcore influences. Really, though, some of the newer metal bands like Shadows Fall, Lamb of God, and The Haunted are forcing people to look beyond one or two genres of influence. Unfortunately, it seems like every time some new form of metal comes up that has any hardcore influences in it at all, it is automatically given the name "metalcore", and that's a dangerous thing because it tends to lump a few amazing melodic bands in there as well that don't resemble metalcore at all, such as Shadows Fall.

Thrash?????? No... You *might* call it thrashcore, but Shadows Fall is nowhere near enough to Megadeth and Metallica to be called thrash. 72.40.53.121 20:49, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

That description is way too cumbersome and not a very good representation of their music...I wouldn't call them melodic death metal at all. I think it should be changed to thrash metal with melodic death and hardcore influences.

Adamantium Guy 05:24, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

"Shadows Fall is nowhere near enough to Megadeth and Metallica to be called thrash. " - I disagree. Why not? --Rp81 20:43, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I would not consider Shadows Fall as melodic death metal. I wouldn't consider them thrash, either. To answer the question about the quote above, if you have ever listened to Megadeth, that's thrash. Long solos (which may not even fit the song, but are thrown into random places in the song) and vocals that rarely or oddly harmonize with the music. I knew from the second I read the opening paragraph that it was incorrect (considering SF melodeath). If you talk to most death metal fans (even those that don't like melodeath) they consider Shadows Fall metalcore.

This thing with metalcore being hardcore with metal influeneces is getting a bit redundant. Metalcore is simply the fusion between two genres. -- User:Growlnotscream 12:08, 13 April 2006

 * Metalcore is not true metal. So to call it both metalcore, then melodic death is confusing

 * Agreed. People are getting confused between the two types of music. Metalcore is not true metal. It is in fact hardcore punk with metal influences. Having influences in something does not automatically make it that genre. (i.e. in this case 'true metal').

 * Grindcore could also be argued. Grindcore is not true metal, but a very heavy style of punk (crust punk) with death metal influences. Grindcore is not metal, but does have links to death metal. It is a type of punk.
 * Thrash metal is true metal. It derived from early punk but has developed into a separate movement. Thrash metal later developed in black and death metal, which have no punk influences.
 * So what is Shadows Fall? Confusing people on Wikipedia is wrong. 13/6/06
 * Melodic Deathcore aka Swedecore —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HappyBoy (talk • contribs) 23:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC).
 * They started off as Melodic Death Metal but upon having Brian Fair as their vocalist they moved onto a Thrash-influence Metalcore sound. Zeingard 05:05, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that their first album is pure melodic death metal while of one blood is melodic death and thrash. Art of balance and war within are thrash and metalcore but threads of life is a pure thrash album although i wouldnt consider it old school thrash since it is very melodic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.177.12.165 (talk) 02:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * ^Wrong, Brian Fair didn't start using "yelling" as his vocal technique until he had already been with the band for an entire CD (he started "yelling" on The Art of Balance) They didn't start showing other metalcore influences until a few breakdowns in some songs on the War Within. Shadows Fall is more metal than punk, although they do have a few harcore influences. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nebraskan (talk • contribs) 19:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

First TV interview
I believe their first TV interview was on Uranium. If I remember correctly, during their second appearance on the show, Juliya light-heartedly griped that the band didn't mention her while thanking their supporters during an interview on Headbanger's Ball. Brian then chuckled and admitted credibility of Uranium in helping gain them exposure. Anyone else remember this? I just don't want to add something to the article that's inaccurate. - Caleson August 28, 2006

Springfield
I removed Westfield from their page and added Springfield. Cite their myspace page. Iamvery October 18, 2006

Again, someone changed their location to Westfield. The general consensus is that they come from Springfield not Westfield. Their myspace page maintains that fact. Please provide proof that they are in fact from Westfield. Minor issue, but nonetheless, it should be resolved. Once proof is validated, I will be amenable to showing their location as Westfield. Iamvery 20:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Band Members
Do we need a link to every band member on here? I checked the links, and they are all stubs stating the same thing in here, plus what type of instrument they use. Besides the former member who is with Killswitch Engage, I don't see the point in this...I propose the pages redirect to here, like Paul Romanko's link. Jlricherson 08:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * uh why then do we need links at all if they redirect (i'm talking about the Paul Romanko link)? b ac k sta bb 20:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

since when was adam from kse apart of the band?
 * i can't find any evidence that he ever was, he produced their first album, but that hardly makes him a member. i'm removing him. if someone can find verifiable evidence that he was in fact a bona-fide member then they can put him back in the former members section.65.43.208.60 09:36, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Why Do We Have A Related Bands Section...?
Why not just add an "associated acts" section and keep it at that. Trivium9786 13:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Shadows Fall Logo.png
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Citations needed
In the history field for the band, it states: Shadows Fall was considered one of the best new bands on the tour[citation needed] and sold more albums on each stop than other bands that appeared on the side-stage.[citation needed] Is there verifiable encyclopedic proof that would validate this claim? I feel if none can be provided this should be removed. If a valid citation is provided then the entry should be edited to meet the policy of Neutral point of view WP:NEU

Mikearmyhockey 04:07, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Merger proposed (Jonathan Donais)
The result was: Merge, by silent consensus. --B. Wolterding 16:58, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I propose to merge the content of Jonathan Donais into here, since the notability of that article has been questioned. In fact, it appears that Jonathan Donais does not meet the notability criteria WP:BIO or WP:WEB independent of his band. So I think it is best to merge the content into here.

Please add your comments below. Proposed as part of the Notability wikiproject. --B. Wolterding 15:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Opperation Annihalation Tour
Does anyone know if these guys are the main act or are Static-X, I see them on Oct, 10 2007. Skeeker [ Talk ] 03:19, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Post-thrash?
Since when? Sources, please? Prepare to be Mezmerized! :D 00:01, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Shadows Fall is not Thrash-Metal Core
Shadows Fall is a Christian heavy Metal Band Look it up, Gosh Flippin Idiots. Prince Of All Saiyans 14:23, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I don't think I've ever heard them referred to as Christian.Inhumer (talk) 15:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Some of the members are Christians, and sometimes shows in their lyrics, but they are not a "Christian band". — Burningclean [ Speak the truth! ] 21:34, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thats like calling Deicide a Christian band because Ralph is Roman Catholic.Inhumer (talk) 23:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Were you refering to me or Prince Of All Saiyans? — Burningclean [ Speak the truth! ] 18:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Him. Inhumer (talk) 18:45, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I heard Shadows fall were a Buddhist band, and a lot of their lyrics do reflect dhammic themes 130.88.117.216 (talk) 19:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

A Good Christian Metal Band Is As I Lay Dying, I Know Bitner Is A Christian, They Are Not Buddists Though, Even Though There Is A Buddah On The Cover Of The Art Of Balance, Either Way It Doesnt Change The Fact That They Are Thrash Metalcore —Preceding unsigned comment added by Warhawk2009metal (talk • contribs) 00:25, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

GA on hold
Leave a note on my talk page when you're done. Cheers, — Dihydrogen Monoxide 23:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * "Since its formation, Shadows Fall has released five studio albums, two compilation albums, and one DVD." - Only compilation is linked. Link everything or nothign
 * "is regarded as one of heavy metal's best drummers." - isn't mentioned later in the article. Shouldn't really be in the lead (or else needs sourcing)
 * "The band released its first demo To Ashes" - according to the navbox it was an EP. Say that
 * "left to form the band Killswitch Engage." - "the band" isn't necessary
 * "The band recorded its second studio album Of One Blood with Fair on vocals in 2000. The release included re-recorded songs from Somber Eyes to the Sky. " - Try merging these sentences (and the short stubby sentences around this stuff)
 * "on The War Within." - Obviously he's referring to that album, not sure this statement is needed
 * ""Redemption" received a Grammy Award nomination for Best Metal performance, the award ceremony will be held on 10 February 2008" - semicolon more appropriate than a comma here
 * ✅ Burningclean  [ Speak the truth! ] 00:35, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Passed. — Dihydrogen Monoxide 00:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Thrash metal
This band has never played that style, I believe. One user in particular keeps adding it back in, providing a source from All Music Guide. The problem with this source is that it does not call them thrash in the review at all. It says it off to the side (in an infobox) and the AMG infoboxes are notoriously bad for genres. You will notice if you look them up on AMG that the infbox also calls them death/black metal. That is blatantly wrong. And so is the idea that this band plays thrash. Perhaps it has some thrash influence but it does not play thrash. Find some sources if you want.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 21:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In fact I just went to AMG and looked through all the reviews of Shadows Fall and not one mentions "thrash" anywhere. It only mentions thrash once for their latest album under styles in the infobox. It has already been determined that the infoboxes on AMG are unreliable and they are not used. Only the reviews themselves are used. If you believe those infoboxes then Shadows Fall is also punk metal and black/death metal. I mean the infoboxes on AMG also call both Opeth and Nightwish symphonic black metal and gothic metal. Neither of those bands has ever played black metal at all, in any form, and neither of them have ever played gothic metal. Bottom line is this. We use reviews from AMG, not their infoboxes off to the side, which are notoriously inaccurate.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 22:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

If Burningclean continues to add thrash metal to the genre section (which is utterly ridiculous) I will add black and death metal per his AMG "source" which he is using incorrectly as it is.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 21:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I found a different source. Not sure why you would be the one warning me, especially considering you are involved, and have been warned in the past yourself. Burningclean  [speak]  02:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I warned you because you were edit warring without even talking about it. My past indiscretions are not being discussed here. I've never been warned about this page, either.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 03:03, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I removed your source as it said, "thrash revisionists," which is very ambiguous and does not mean thy play thrash metal. In fact, "revisionists," would imply that they do not play the thrash metal style, but something more post-thrash (perhaps) like groove metal. The comment is way too ambiguous. I don't even understand how you could think that SF plays thrash metal. They play nothing close to the style. You can't even possibly compare them to any thrash band. I don't mean it as an insult at all, but you must not listen to any thrash metal. Even melodic thrash metal has nothing in common with this band. If you still want to add it in we should have a consensus discussion and have a bunch of people say what they think and gather some consensus. That would be the proper wikipedia way, I suppose.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 03:08, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

(I haven't read the above) If there is a dispute, usually we aim to use an umbrella term that incorporates all the genres in the said dispute. In this instance, I have replaced the genre(s) with Heavy metal. This can remain forever or until a consensus is gained through polite and civil discussion. Please could both users remember not to edit war. If you need anything please do not hesitiate to contact me. Scarian Call me Pat!  12:38, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Alright, we're gonna gather some consensus here. I vote that Shadows Fall is metalcore. Now I will let other users decide what they think the genre of the band is. I should also point out that when I say "metalcore," I mean that I think SF has played exclusively metalcore. I mean, I think everyone agrees they play metalcore, its just that Burningclean also thinks they play thrash metal.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 19:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

 * First thing I did upon reading this (I havn't read all the replies, so forgive me if this has been mentioned) was went to the Metal Archives. If you go to Metallum and type in Shadows Fall, you'll see that it states they are both thrash and metalcore. Personally, I'd agree with Nav and call them metalcore, but there is a source for both - although Nav is correct in saying that the AMG infobox's are hilariously bad; I believe it stated that Nightwish were symphonic black metal, which is laughable. ≈  The Haunted Angel  22:08, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Not that I have a source or anything... but any metal fan with ears will tell you that Shadows Fall is most definitely metalcore. Early on they were different, more of a melodic death metal type band, but not anymore. Some of their stuff isn't that metal at all though - take the largely-acoustic "Another Hero Lost." Well, that's my two cents. Festering Rat Corpse (talk) 22:25, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I did some research on Blizzards behalf and I can only conclude the press labels them both metalcore AND thrash metal

Not all reliable sources per se, just a couple of sites I often visit to get a 'feeling' of the bands genre:

Rockdetector http://www.rockdetector.com/artist,7925.sm
 * Metal
 * Metalcore
 * NWoAHM

Metal-Archives http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=703
 * Melodic Death (early), Thrash/Metalcore (today)

Popmatters http://www.popmatters.com/pm/music/reviews/27165/shadowsfall-warwithin/
 * "was a very solid, workmanlike album that wore its strong metalcore influences on its sleeve (midtempo, crunchy riffs, shout-along choruses, simple melodies, and hoarse-throated vocals), but at times ... incorporating more of a thrash metal sound bearing a remarkable similarity to Bay Area thrash legends Exodus"
 * "finding an appealing middle ground between metalcore and more melodic ‘80s metal."
 * "If Lamb of God are stylistically akin to Megadeth and Slayer, Shadows Fall keep things a bit more simple and accessible, like Exodus and Anthrax"

Allmusic http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg%2edll?p=amg&sql=11:fbfqxqwjldke~T1
 * "Although their music sometimes bears strong similarities to the technical, progressive brand of death metal centered around Gothenburg, Sweden, and epitomized by bands like In Flames ... Building their songs around the stop-start tempo and riff changes pioneered by bands like Metallica, Slayer, and Iron Maiden"

Metal Observer http://www.metal-observer.com/articles.php?lid=1&sid=5&a=l&l=S
 * 2000 Of One Blood Review > 9/10 - Armen - (Thrash Metal)
 * 2002 The Art Of Balance Review > 9/10 - Chris - (Thrash Metal)
 * 2004 The War Within Review > 8/10 - Jenn - (Power Thrash Metal)
 * 2004 The War Within Review > 9,5/10 - Joe - (Thrash Metal)
 * 2004 The War Within Review > 9/10 - Chris - (Power Thrash Metal)
 * 2004 The War Within Review > 8,5/10 - Rob - (Power Metal)
 * 2006 Fall Out From The War Review > 8/10 - Chris - (Thrash Metal/Metalcore)
 * 2006 Fallout From The War Review > 9,5/10 - Joe - (Thrash Metal/Metalcore)
 * 2007 Threads Of Life Review > 7/10 - Neil - (Thrash Metal/Melodic Metal)

http://www.metal-observer.com/articles.php?lid=1&sid=1&id=12663
 * "modern Metal masterpieces"
 * "the band’s trademark melodic Thrash/Hardcore mix"
 * "a speedy Thrash track"

http://www.metal-observer.com/articles.php?lid=1&sid=1&id=10737
 * "[Shadows Fall] will dispel any notion that TRIVIUM are kings of the Thrash/ Metalcore castle."

http://www.metal-observer.com/articles.php?lid=1&sid=1&id=7183
 * "I feel like I’m just listening to any other Metalcore band"
 * "and this album seems more like Metal Core (i.e STAMPIN’ GROUND, GOD FORBID, ATREYU) with Thrash influences"
 * "and is actual Thrash"

http://www.metal-observer.com/articles.php?lid=1&sid=1&id=7128
 * "Power Metal melody interweaved in just about every song than your average Thrash"
 * "Power Metal riffery of ‘’Act Of Contrition’’ ... ‘’What Drives The Weak’’ has another tasty Melodic Power Metal introduction"

and so on... Kameejl (Talk) 08:41, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Well, I still think it's total crap, but there's sources that say they're thrash mixed with metalcore. I think most of these sources are deluded and happing on a "bandwagon" of newer bands and giving them labels, that actually belong to other bands, to try and remind people of the glory days and say, "hey, this new band is just like those bands," which is laughable. I mean, Kameejl you hunted up a sentence that said, "If Lamb of God are stylistically akin to Megadeth and Slayer, Shadows Fall keep things a bit more simple and accessible, like Exodus and Anthrax." Are you serious? Do you actually believe that? First of all Lamb of God is nothing like Megadeth or Slayer. Megadeth and Slayer are both thrash (though at different spectrums of brutality) and Lamb of God is GROOVE METAL. How can they even be compared? Why? Because of some of these newer magazine-type idiots that try to compare newer bands to older bands (which were actually good) and hopelessly failing to most real metal fans. But then, most of you do believe that SF are at least slightly thrashy and you've provided sources. I guess add it back in. It can't be fought anymore. Now excuse me while I go dig up some "reliable sources" that call Slipshit black metal.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 23:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Y'know, this is really unbelieveable. First, it's not usually that hard to find reliable sources to back up just about anything. Second, metalcore bands often get compared to thrash metal bands (because some of these idiots think it's the goddamn second-coming of extreme-but-mainstream-metal like thrash was for a while. So they get mislabled thrash. It's crap. Next thing y'know, bands like God Forbid and All That Remains and As I Lay Dying will be labeled thrash. I'm sure there's sources for it. It makes me think of something horrid i saw last night. I went to Paganfest to see Tyr, Eluveitie, Suidakra, Turisas and Ensiferum (which of course ruled) and I saw a poster for an upcoming band performance and it was Death Angel (DEATH ANGEL people!!! Thrash metal Gods, Death Angel!) performing with (guess who?) God Forbid...I stared in slack-jawed disbelief like some lightning-struck retard, as if some sort of perverse act had been commited in front of me (and it had). WTF! That's all I could think. How could this intense blasphemy/heresy be happening! Such a great like Death Angel performing with such a shitty metalcore band like GF. Now look, people can listen to whatever the hell they want to (as long as it's not near me for too long) but I just think it's total sacrilege to put such differing bands together. I'm betting no God Forbid fans have even heard of Death Angel. That's bullshit. I'm distressed. Metal is failing. The only areas where metal is getting better is in newer genres like folk metal/Viking metal and some progressive metal bands. Pretty much every other metal subgenre is worsening steadily. And if people start calling metalcore "thrash metal" and it actually becomes the new thrash metal or is considered the "evolution" of it or something...well, I'm gonna shit my pants. I hope I'm dead before that ever happens. Thrash metal is raw, blindingly fast, technical and angry. That isn't metalcore and fuck metalcore. Simplistic, non-talented, whiny, mainstream wanna be, angsty bullshit that goes out of its way to appeal to teens. Man, most metal doesn't even go out of its way to be appealing to any audience, period. Fuck that. This is goddamn good music and if you don't like it, get the fuck out! We won't change for shit! Well except for ourselves of course and it won't be selling out to anything mainstream, damnit! Whatever. Thrash metal is dead, and it died a long time ago. As far as I'm concerned, metalcore isn't even metal. Just like all those nu metal goths that prance around thinking they're so evil and that they're the shit and their music is "EXTREME!" You listen to rap, dumbass, how extreme can it be? Fuck that shit. Hail real metal. And hail Odin.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 00:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You might disagree but Shadows Fall is often compared to thrash metal bands in the media. I too think they're metalcore. But that's how we do things on wikipedia. I've been in similar situations with Between the Buried and Me, Pantera, Avant-garde metal and Static-X. The editors at Static-X think the band isn't nu metal. I've got 10 sources mentioning nu metal and still, nu metal is repeatedly removed from the infobox... Let it slide... Kameejl (Talk) 00:36, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I know, but it's hard, argh. It's so maddening.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 18:22, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * All I have to say about all this is the fact you don't seem to understand progression. Look at melodic death metal.  Look at doom, death and yes, what you're arguing about, thrash.  All have evolved.  It's natural, it's called bands today don't want to copy bands from 20 years ago, they'd like to have their own sound, while retaining the qualities that made that sub-genre.  By ranting which is WP:FORUM anyways doesn't get your point across it just sends a negative message. -- Shatterzer0 (talk) 03:10, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I do understand progression. Most of the bands I like are extremely progressive. Genres evolve, yes, but sometimes they evolve badly and/or people starting calling them another genre and it sticks. What we call metalcore now may very well be called thrash metal in a few years and that thought bugs nme a lot.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 18:22, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't agree that Shadows Fall is thrash, but if sources say otherwise I guess metalcore/thrash is fair enough. Bloodredchaos (talk) 06:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

They play a new style called metalcore. Metalcore have elments of death metal, thrash metal and hardcore. So your all right. And traces back to NWOBHM aswell. The term is used as slang but now a accepted term for all 'core lovers. 15:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by METALFREAK04 (talk • contribs)

Influences
I've seen in a few interviews that the lyrics in their songs is influenced by Buddhism and Hinduism. Here: "Interview 1" Brian says:

"Also, I try to turn kids onto different philosophies and schools of thought that they may not have been turned on to, definitely through metal. I stay away from the evil satanic side of things. I've been influenced by Eastern philosophy, a lot of Buddhist and Hindu thought, and I try to infuse a lot of that into our work. I study meditation and yoga and try to talk about that. I also talk about personal things, like problems that I?ve had with friends drinking. I like to talk about personal relationships."

Here: "Interview 2" he says:

"Lyrically these songs came from sources as vast as the Chinese Buddhist teachings of Bodhi Dharma to the drunken ranting of Bukowski. I've read countless volumes of poetry and literature as well as philosophy and religion."

It seems in these two separate interviews Brian is saying he gets his influence from Buddhism (amongst other sources). Should this be included somewhere in the main page? Mawkish1983 (talk) 13:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

New Record Company
I decided to add Everblack Industries to the band's record company section. Once I saw that there wasn't a seperate wikipedia page for the band's own record company, I decided to begin setting one up. However, I am still new to wikipedia, so if anyone wants to help and contribute to it, please do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steelrhino8 (talk • contribs) 23:33, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Eastern philosophy?
The citation given url=http://www.thegauntlet.com/interviews/369/Disgust.html doesn't support the claim. The previous Asia Gauntlet citation was a 404. EaswarH 23:00, 29 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Easwarno1 (talk • contribs)

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The Kitchen Tape

The Kitchen Tape is a demo tape by the American rock band Weezer. It was recorded on August 1, 1992, prior to the band's signing with Geffen Records.

Recording
The demo was recorded using frontman Rivers Cuomo's 8-track tape recorder in a rented garage next to the "Amherst House", where Weezer often rehearsed. The name of the tape comes from the fact that the drums were recorded in a kitchen, where the band members felt that they sounded the best.

Band historian Karl Koch has recalled that the demo was recorded "to get shows and also try to make an impression", and that "[there] were no aspirations yet to try to generate real label interest, but the concept of 'creating a buzz' was being thrown around."

Release
The Kitchen Tape has not received an official release beyond the original small run of privately distributed demo cassettes. However, the demo's audio has been bootlegged and spread online. Additionally, the recordings of "Undone - The Sweater Song", "Paperface", and "Only in Dreams" from the demo appear on the 2004 deluxe release of Weezer (The Blue Album). The recording of "My Name Is Jonas" was officially released on YouTube by the band in 2024.

Track listing

 * 1) "Thief, You've Taken All That Was Me"
 * 2) "My Name Is Jonas"
 * 3) "Let's Sew Our Pants Together"
 * 4) "Undone"
 * 5) "Paperface"
 * 6) "Say It Ain't So"
 * 7) "Only in Dreams"
 * 8) "The World Has Turned"

I. Later re-recorded for the band's debut album.

II. Demo released on the deluxe edition of the band's debut album

Personnel

 * Rivers Cuomo - vocals, guitar
 * Matt Sharp - bass, vocals
 * Jason Cropper - guitar, vocals
 * Patrick Wilson - drums

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Linkings
I aplogize for not being able to add links to my recent addition, I don't know how. The web address can be found here: http://www.jsonline.com//news/wauk/chmura/feb01/chmura06020501.asp

please add it to the article. when i figure out how to add links, i will add other pertinent information regarding his testifying, under oath live on Court TV, to plying underage girls with alcohol and having a sexual relationship with a 17 year old child. thank you -vega007

"Sexual Relations"
I find it unnecessary to try and create irony by referring to Chmura's losing respect for Bill Clinton over the Lewinski scandal and then in the next sentence calling his incident with the baby-sitter "sexual relations", a famous catchphrase from the Clinton scandal. Can anyone think of a better way to say it? How about "inappropriate sexual contact"? Thedoorhinge 18:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Reference #2
Should a Michelle Malkin article really be used as a source for info? She's hardly a reliable person herself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.239.196.138 (talk) 07:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

inappropriate commentary
I've always viewed Wikipedia as a reliable source of info. Unbiased and accurate. I was very sadly surprised to read "...cried like a bitch" as a description of Mr. Chmura's reaction to his trial verdict. Not only is that statement immature it is sexually degrading to women. Shame on the writer and shame on Wikipedia for allowing it.

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Telarc International Corporation

Telarc International Corporation is an American audiophile independent record label founded in 1977 by two classically trained musicians and former teachers, Jack Renner and Robert Woods. Based in Cleveland, Ohio, the label has had a long association with the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra and the Cleveland Orchestra, as well as with the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra and the St. Louis Symphony Orchestra. Although it started as a classical music label, Telarc has released jazz, blues and country music recordings.

In 1996, Telarc merged with another independent label, Heads Up, now a Telarc subsidiary. In late 2005 both Telarc and Heads Up were bought by Concord Records. Today both labels operate as semi-autonomous units in the Concord Music Group.

The Telarc Sound
Telarc is noted for the high quality of its recordings, encapsulated in the slogan "The Telarc Sound". Its 1979 high-definition digital recording of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture (the first ever) became a popular way for people to test the quality of their record-playing equipment and audio setups, as only high-quality and properly-tuned systems could play the hifi digital cannon shots properly. The record ultimately became their best-selling ever and established them as a company. Its audio engineers are highly regarded in the recording business and have led Telarc to over 50 Grammy Awards on its own label and two others it distributes, Heads Up and MCG. In 2004 it received the "Label of the Year" award from Gramophone magazine. Telarc was one of the first labels to record music with a 20-bit analog-to-digital converter (ADC) in the late 1980s and has used 24-bit formats since 1996.

Staff reduction
In February 2009, due to corporate restructuring at Concord Music Group, Telarc announced it would cut twenty-six jobs and that it would also stop producing its own recordings. These job cuts included the highly regarded, multi-award-winning production team. Telarc's founder and former president Robert Woods resigned in March 2009 and was replaced by Heads Up president Dave Love. Love was let go the following month. Five/Four Productions was formed by four members of the Telarc production team: Grammy award-winning engineers Michael Bishop and Robert Friedrich, Grammy award-winning producer Thomas Moore, and chief technician Bill McKinney.

Keeping the Blues Alive Award
In 2013, the Blues Foundation honored Telarc with its 2013 Keeping the Blues Alive (KBA) Award. The KBA ceremony was held in conjunction with the 29th International Blues Challenge (IBC).

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Talk:European edible dormouse

Etymology
The etymology is inconsistent with that at Dormouse, and has no references. The references at Dormouse, however, are of uncertain quality.

83.135.65.212 (talk) 14:39, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Distribution map
Can anyone change the colors of the distribution map? Pink is very hard to tell apart from red. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nina Hollfelder (talk • contribs) 11:33, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

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Could anyone provide a citation for the story about Romans raising these things in jars? It's a great little bit of trivia, but it's the sort of information that I find on the internet all the time and can never quite tell if it's true or not. It would help wikipedia's credibility to have citations for crazy facts like this!! Morgan 19:18, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I've got strong doubts about the veracity of the story. After months in this jar, the vessel would be filled with much more feces than dormouse, and I suspect a strong negative impact on taste and nourishing value of the resulting dormouse-shit-snack. AFAIR, dormice were snack food in Roman times, they were grown in boxes or pits, which may have had clay walls, and I know of recipes to bake various mammals (hedgehogs, most notably) in clay crusts. So I suspect that the original poster mixed some facts to create a story which was a bit more exciting, but less true. ;-) -Syzygy 10:15, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * This site quotes a Roman source which claims "a clay vessel with cavities and niches" as used to keep the Dormice, which sounds more akin to keeping pet hamsters in a cage. - Syzygy 10:30, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

User:Norfolkdumpling Just thought you'd like to know, it is not a type of dormouse. Just like an Eagle Owl isn't a Eagle, the Edible Dormouse isn't a Dormouse. Regards.
 * That's incorrect. The Edible Dormouse is a dormouse.  Are you thinking of the Spiny Dormouse?  Those are thoght to not be dormouse (being muroids instead).  --Aranae 14:47, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Nope, sorry 100% sure its the Glis Glis. User:Norfolkdumpling

 * what do you mean? it doesn't belong to the same genus as the common dormouse (genus Muscardinus) but it belongs to the same family, which takes its name from it: 'gliridae', they are relatively close related to each other and to the other species of dormice, belonging to other genera. Plch 14:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Considering we don't have the stomachs to digest bones, like snakes do, did people actually disassemble these tiny morsels? Or.. were they gnawed at like chicken wings? Either way I wouldn't wanna waste my time eating dozens of little things when I could just kill a large animal and eat the good parts.
 * I don't see how it's different than eating pigeons or quails, which are relatively common food Plch 14:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I cancelled the following sentence because it doesn't make any sense: 'ghiro' is just the Italian name of the fat dormouse:

"The edible dormouse is also known in Italy as Ghiro, for its capacity of sleeping 20 hours out of 24."

Plch 14:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I have no comment on the Italian name of the dormouse, but the Finnish name it has, 'unikeko' is a direct reference to its sleepy habits, with as much as 20 hours a day of sleep and 7 months of hibernation in addition. Unikeko is literallly "heap of sleep" and also has its own specific feast, "the day of the unikeko" when a designated "unikeko" (a person known for their somnolent talents) is ceremonially given a wake-up by tossing them into the sea near Naantali. -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 20:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm a Slovenian and i've already eaten dormouse - we usually make a goulash out of his flesh and is quite good actually. The Slovene name for dormouse is "polh". mrudolf1 13:55, 18 February 2011 (CET)

Fix dead link
Please can you amend the link to Mammals Trust UK to http://www.ptes.org/?page=166. Mammals Trust is part of PTES but this page does not exist any more. Thanks, People's Trust for Endangered Species — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.71.30.173 (talk) 12:09, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Discrepancy text <--> map
"it is absent [...] from the northern coasts of France, Germany, and the Low Countries" [bolding mine] map shows it present on Baltic Sea cost of Germany. Either the map is wrong, or the text should be altered to "it is absent [...] from the North Sea coasts of France, Germany, and the Low Countries" HMallison (talk) 12:25, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's the latter. Anaxial (talk) 22:32, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

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You shouldn't use a dead edible dormouse as the main photo for this article. The article for humans don't use the picture of a dead body as well.--31.16.65.94 (talk) 00:36, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

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Unborn Media Inc.
Ad-linkspam By their own admission, a new company with not much history Outlander 19:19, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
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Local Council (Uganda)

A Local Council (LC) is a form of local elected government within the districts of Uganda.

Background
Uganda has been holding elections consistently since the 1980s, at the different levels including Presidential, Parliamentary, District, and Local Councils. Local Councils are a concept around the lowest political-administrative unit based at the village level.

The District: A district is made up of several counties and any municipalities in that area. A district is led by an elected local council V (LCV) chairperson and his executive. There is also an elected LCV Council, with representatives from the sub-counties and technical staff in the district. The council debates budgets, decisions, and bylaws. On the technical side, the district is led by a Chief Administrative Officer (CAO), appointed by the central government. The district also has heads of various departments such as education, health, environment, and planning, which are responsible for relevant matters in the whole district. Currently, Uganda has about 121 districts that have grown from 30 districts in 1986.

The County: A county is made up of several sub-counties. Each county is represented at the national level in parliament in Kampala by an elected member of Parliament (an MP). In major towns, the equivalent of a county is a municipality (which is a set of divisions). LCIII executive committee members of all the sub-counties constitute the local council IV (LCIV). They then elect an LCIV executive committee from among themselves. These committees have limited powers, except in municipalities, which they run.

The sub-county: The sub-county is made up of a number of parishes and is run by the sub-county chief on the technical side and by an elected local council III (LCIII) chairperson and his/her executive committee, a kind of parliament at that level, complete with a speaker and deputy speaker. The council consists of elected councilors representing the parishes, other government officials involved in health, development and education, and NGO officials in the sub-county. In towns, a sub-county is called a division.

The parish: The parish is the next level up from the village. A parish is made up of a number of villages which could range from five to about ten. Each parish has a Local Council II (LCII) Committee, made up of all the chairpersons from the LCIs in the parish. Each LCII will elect, from among themselves, an executive committee. Today, LCIIs are largely involved in settling land disputes and mobilising the community for various activities. The parish is largely run by a parish chief – a government employee who provides technical leadership to the LCII.

The village: A village usually consists of between 50 and 70 households and may be home to anywhere between 250 and 1,000 people. Each village will be run by a local council – local council I (LCI) - and is governed by a chairperson (LCI chairperson) and nine other executive committee members. Uganda has not held any Local Council elections since 2001(a period of fifteen years, 2001-2017) The 1995 Constitution of the Republic of Uganda, Article 181(4) states that local government elections will be held after every five years. The Electoral Commission had not been able to hold the LC elections when Uganda was still passing off as a one-party system of governance, because it was challenged in the case of Rtd Rubaramira Ruranga Vs Electoral Commission and another in the Constitutional Petition No. 21 of 2006 as inappropriate in a multi-party dispensation.

The delay in holding the election was stated to be due to the high cost involved in holding the election through a secret ballot. Uganda currently has over 60,800 villages, initial budgets indicated that this election would cost over 505bn if it were to be held by secret ballot. Various amendments to section 111 cap 140 of the Local Government Act reduced the cost to 15.9bn through providing for lining behind preferred candidates.

The LC1 elections were eventually conducted on the 10th of July 2018 throughout Uganda which was declared a public holiday to allow voters the opportunity to express themselves. This was after 17 years of not holding the local council elections. As stated in the Local Government Act, A chairperson of a lower government council is among other duties; to be the political head at that level, Preside over the council and executive committee meetings, Monitor the general administration of the area under his or her jurisdiction, oversee the performance of persons employed by the Government to provide services in the council’s area of jurisdiction and to monitor the provision of Government services or implementation of projects in the area under the council’s jurisdiction and also to Perform other functions that may be necessary for the better functioning of the council, or which may be incidental to the functions of the chairperson or imposed on the chairperson by any law.

There are six levels of Local Councils. The lowest level is the Local Council I (LC 1 or LC I) and is responsible for a village or, in the case of towns or cities, a neighborhood. The area covered by Local Councils II through IV incorporates several of the next lowest levels, while a Local Council V (LC5) is responsible for the entire district. In theory, a problem at a local level is relayed up through the various levels until it reaches an LC with sufficient authority or power to resolve it, while centrally planned directives are relayed downward until they are implemented at the local level.

Each Local Council has a certain number of identical positions, such as Chairman, Vice-Chairman, etc. The Local Council does not transfer nationally. Instead, the national government appoints Resident District Commissioners (RDCs) to represent its interests at the district level.

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Shooting at the 2004 Summer Olympics – Women's 10 metre air rifle

The women's 10 metre air rifle competition at the 2004 Summer Olympics was held on August 14 at the Markópoulo Olympic Shooting Centre near Athens, Greece. Following a relatively new Olympic tradition, it was the first event to be concluded at these Games.

The event consisted of two rounds: a qualifier and a final. In the qualifier, each shooter fired 40 shots with an air rifle at 10 metres distance from the standing position. Scores for each shot were in increments of 1, with a maximum score of 10.

The top 8 shooters in the qualifying round moved on to the final round. There, they fired an additional 10 shots. These shots scored in increments of .1, with a maximum score of 10.9. The total score from all 50 shots was used to determine final ranking.

China's world record holder Du Li outscored a host of elite markswomen in the air rifle shooting final to notch the first gold medal at these Games, smashing a new Olympic record score of 502.0 points. Russia's Lioubov Galkina, who led the field by a full point into the final with 399, had to settle for the silver with a total score of 501.5 points, while Czech Republic's Kateřina Kůrková held off a daunting challenge from Zhao Yinghui (500.8) to rule out the Chinese supremacy in the medal haul for a bronze at 501.1, falling Zhao to a disappointing fourth by a 0.3-point deficit.

Records
Prior to this competition, the existing world and Olympic records were as follows.


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Tee (command)

In computing,   is a command in command-line interpreters (shells) using standard streams which reads standard input and writes it to both standard output and one or more files, effectively duplicating its input. It is primarily used in conjunction with pipes and filters. The command is named after the T-splitter used in plumbing.

Overview
The  command is normally used to split the output of a program so that it can be both displayed and saved in a file. The command can be used to capture intermediate output before the data is altered by another command or program. The tee command reads standard input, then writes its content to standard output. It simultaneously copies the data into the specified file(s) or variables. The syntax differs depending on the command's implementation.

Implementations
The command is available for Unix and Unix-like operating systems, Microware OS-9, DOS (e.g. 4DOS, FreeDOS), Microsoft Windows (e.g. 4NT, Windows PowerShell), and ReactOS. The Linux  command was written by Mike Parker, Richard Stallman, and David MacKenzie. The command is available as a separate package for Microsoft Windows as part of the UnxUtils collection of native Win32 ports of common GNU Unix-like utilities. The FreeDOS version was developed by Jim Hall and is licensed under the GPL. The tee command has also been ported to the IBM i operating system.

Additionally the command offers similar capabilities.

Unix and Unix-like
tee [ -a ] [ -i ] [ File ... ]

Arguments: Flags:
 *   A list of files, each of which receives the output.
 *   Appends the output to each file, rather than overwriting it.
 *   Ignores interrupts.

The command returns the following exit values (exit status):
 * 0 The standard input was successfully copied to all output files.
 * >0 An error occurred.

Using process substitution lets more than one process read the standard output of the originating process. Read this example from GNU Coreutils, tee invocation.

Note: If a write to any successfully opened File operand is not successful, writes to other successfully opened File operands and standard output will continue, but the exit value will be >0.

4DOS and 4NT
TEE [/A] file...

Arguments: Flags:
 *   One or more files that will receive the "tee'd" output.
 *   Append the pipeline content to the output file(s) rather than overwriting them.

Note: When tee is used with a pipe, the output of the previous command is written to a temporary file. When that command finishes, tee reads the temporary file, displays the output, and writes it to the file(s) given as command-line argument.

Windows PowerShell
tee [-FilePath]  [-InputObject ] tee -Variable  [-InputObject ]

Arguments:
 *   Specifies the object input to the cmdlet. The parameter accepts variables that contain the objects and commands or expression that return the objects.
 *   Specifies the file where the cmdlet stores the object. The parameter accepts wildcard characters that resolve to a single file.
 *   A reference to the input objects will be assigned to the specified variable.

Note: tee is implemented as a  command alias. The internal cmdlet name is.

Unix and Unix-like

 * To view and save the output from a command (lint) at the same time:

This displays the standard output of the command  at the computer, and at the same time saves a copy of it in the file. If a file named  already exists, it is deleted and replaced.

Similarly, both the stdout and stderr output streams can be redirected to standard output and the  using stream redirection:

 * To view and append the output from a command to an existing file:

This displays the standard output of the  command at the computer and at the same time appends a copy of it to the end of the   file. If the  file does not exist, it is created.

 * To allow escalation of permissions:

This example shows tee being used to bypass an inherent limitation in the sudo command. sudo is unable to pipe the standard output to a file. By dumping its stdout stream into, we also suppress the mirrored output in the console. The command above gives the current user root access to a server over ssh, by installing the user's public key to the server's key authorization list.

In Bash, the output can be filtered before being written to the file—without affecting the output displayed—by using process substitution. For example, removes common ANSI escape codes before writing to, but retains them for display.

4DOS and 4NT
This example searches the file  for any lines containing the string "4DOS", makes a copy of the matching lines in , sorts the lines, and writes them to the output file  :

Windows PowerShell

 * To view and save the output from a command at the same time:

This displays the standard output of the command  at the console window, and simultaneously saves a copy of it in the file.

 * To display and save all running processes, filtered so that only programs starting with svc and owning more than 1000 handles are output:

This example shows that the piped input for tee can be filtered and that tee is used to display that output, which is filtered again so that only processes owning more than 1000 handles are displayed, and writes the unfiltered output to the file.

 * Windows Powershell is not suitable for binary and raw data and will always treat the stream as text and will modify the data as it is transferred.

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Skid unit

A Skid Unit (called a "Slip-on" in Australia) is the common name used to refer to a complete self-contained fire fighting apparatus designed for use on/in commercially available vehicle platforms. Vehicles such as pickup trucks, flat bed trucks, vans, off-road vehicles, trailers and others can easily be fitted with a proper size skid unit for a variety of fire fighting operations. There is virtually no limit to size or performance capabilities. Fire operations can include rural field operations, forest fires, brush fires and other situations in which a small, highly mobile vehicle is necessary to reach the location of the fire ground operations in rough or otherwise inaccessible terrain.

Skid units in their simplest form consist of a tank, pump and hose mounted on a self-contained platform. Most skid units are designed to fit in the bed area of a standard pickup truck. Skid units can be configured to hold as little as 200 L to over 6000 L of water. For specialized applications, foam cells of various capacities can be included as well as foam injection systems integrated to deliver Class "A" and / or "B" foam concentrates. Twin Agent skid mounted units are also used in high hazard class B areas in industrial sites.

The compact and self-contained design makes a skid unit a very versatile and cost effective tool which fire departments, the forest service, parks and private corporations can utilize for fire suppression.

The latest evolution for skid units utilized for public safety in the past few years has seen them become more compact in size so they will fit onto the relatively small cargo bed area of an ATV/UTV off-road vehicle. These vehicles like the Polaris Ranger 4x4 or 6x6 chassis, along with the Kawasaki Mule 4x4, the Kubota RTV 900 and many other makes and models are gaining popularity among fire dept and ambulance services across the country. These smaller off-road vehicles can get into places where much larger fire and ambulance apparatus cannot. Also, the ATV/UTV vehicles can maneuver over much rougher terrain. There are now fire skid units made specifically for these vehicles. There is also a number of fire/rescue skid units allowing double duty of fighting fires and allowing rescuers to place a medical victim onto the unit for transport out of the woods. Another skid unit, the medical skid unit is specifically targeted to be placed into the cargo bed of ATV/UTV vehicles which are completely focused on providing medical transport, like a mini-ambulance, into the back country or woods for victim retrievals. These medical bed units can carry a trained medical attendant to be with the patient at all times, a full complement of medical gear in an enclosed storage area and other fixtures like 02 holders and IV poles to hold IV bags up above the patient.

Skid units can also comprise self-contained pieces of machinery incorporated in others. Examples of this might be agricultural tractors without wheels incorporated in harvesting machinery, or compressors on frames installed in oil rigs.

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Thales Watchkeeper WK450

The Thales Watchkeeper WK450 is an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) for all weather, intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition, and reconnaissance (ISTAR) used by the British Army. It is provided under an £800 million contract with UAV Tactical Systems (U-TacS), a joint venture of Elbit and Thales UK, and is based on Elbit's Hermes 450.

Overview
The Watchkeeper WK450 is based on the Elbit Hermes 450 UAV and is built in the UK by a joint venture company, UAV Tactical Systems (U-TacS), set up by the Israeli company Elbit Systems (51% ownership) and the Thales group. The Watchkeeper is 6.5m long, with a 10.9m wingspan. Its cruising speed is 77 knots, and it can operate at an altitude of 16000 ft. It has a takeoff weight of 485 kg, a typical endurance of 14 hours, a payload capacity of 150 kg and uses a rotary Wankel engine provided by UAV Engines Ltd, a wholly owned subsidiary of Elbit Systems, and target acquisition camera by another subsidiary, Instro. It can operate up to 150 km from the Ground Control Station; multiple stations can be linked to extend the range. It was originally intended to enter service in June 2010, but years of delays, technical issues, hardware modifications, difficulties in training sufficient pilots and incidents means that it was not expected to be fully operational until late 2018. A prime difference between the Hermes 450 and Watchkeeper is that the H450 is fitted only with an electro-optical/infrared sensor, while the WK450 has in addition a dual-mode synthetic aperture radar and ground moving target indication system that allows it to see through all weather conditions. The British Army was to receive 30 Watchkeepers and a further 24 due to go into store to be deployed as needed.

the 47th Regiment Royal Artillery was the only unit operating the Watchkeeper. By August 2020, Watchkeeper had accumulated over 3,000 flying hours since the first flight in 2010.

As of July 2022, Watchkeeper's out-of-service date is programmed to be 2042.

History
The program started originally in June 2000, when Racal Defence Electronics won a Ministry of Defence tender to conduct the 12 month assessment phase of the SENDER Tactical Unmanned Aerial Vehicle program. SENDER was defined as a Tactical UAV System, which will provide real-time battlefield intelligence to the British Army, to meet unit level Intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition, and reconnaissance requirements.

The next phase of the program was initiated to support an operational need, which was identified at the start of the War in Afghanistan, to provide the UK Armed Forces with all-weather day and night surveillance capability. In February 2003, the Ministry of Defence announced that two contenders reached the final stage of the tender, a group that includes Thales (at the time still operating under the name Racal Electronics) and Elbit Systems, and a second contender Northrop Grumman, after BAE Systems and Lockheed Martin were deselected (BAE subsequently entered negotiations to join forces with Northrop for the bid).

Thales and Elbit won the tender in July 2004, and proposed to build UAVs based on Elbit Systems' Hermes 180 and Hermes 450, which will be delivered to the British Army between 2006 and 2009. In August 2005 the program agreement was signed, at a cost of £700 million. The tender condition included a requirement to set up a local manufacturing facility for the program, therefore, at the end of 2005 a joint venture company was established, named "UAV Tactical Systems Ltd (U-TacS)", based in Leicester to manufacture the Watchkeeper. Additionally, in October 2005, a flight testing facility was inaugurated at ParcAberporth in West Wales, with a test flight of an Hermes 450.

In June 2007, the joint venture company UAV Tactical Systems, was awarded a $110 million contract to provide an urgent intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition and reconnaissance support capability for the British Army, in Iraq and Afghanistan, using Hermes 450 UAVs leased from Elbit systems (and not using any Watchkeeper WK450, that was still in development).

On 15 July 2007, the UK MoD revealed that 54 Watchkeepers would be delivered to the British Army at a cost of £800m. This figure includes construction of new basing facilities at Boscombe Down airfield, ground training facilities and simulators at the School of Artillery, ground control stations, development and testing of extensive aircraft modifications including automatic take-off and landing and the integration and provision of new sensors including radars.

In October 2008, Rosh Pina Airport in Israel was used for flight trials of the Watchkeeper, after Britain had objected to the trials being conducted at Fik Airfield, Elbit's test site, which is in the Golan Heights.

Watchkeeper's first UK flight took place on Wednesday 14 April 2010 from ParcAberporth in Wales, but due to numerous delays the delivery date slipped. By 2014 Watchkeeper had gained certification from the Military Aviation Authority, had its Release to Service granted was cleared for military flight training with the Royal Artillery, operating out of Boscombe Down in Wiltshire. In February 2014 the French Ministry of Defence indicated that the French Army might purchase the Watchkeeper WK450, but they instead selected the Sagem Patroller for the tactical unmanned air vehicle requirement.

By December 2015 delivery to the British Army was progressing well, but there were difficulties in training sufficient pilots. As poor weather in Britain was limiting the time available to conduct flying training the decision was made to conduct future training on the tropical Ascension Island located in the Atlantic Ocean. Although there is hope that future modifications to the aircraft will enable it to fly in poor weather, the training on Ascension Island is set to continue for the foreseeable future. Enough pilots and ground crew are expected to be trained for full operational capability to be reached by early 2018.

Costs of the programme to March 2018 were £1.08 billion, more than £200 million above the original budget. The original order was for 54 Watchkeepers, though it has not been confirmed that more than 45 had been delivered at that date. A report by the Major Projects Authority, published in June 2015, revealed that the estimated cost of achieving full operational capability of the program is £1.2bn.

Watchkeeper achieved the Army's full operational capability 2 (FOC 2) milestone on 30 November 2018, though without formal release to service (RTS) certification, which would allow the trials facility to move from West Wales Airport, which has a nearby oversea trials area, to Boscombe Down.

In June 2023, Defence minister James Cartlidge stated that the Watchkeeper program had cost £1.35 billion to date, including necessary airfield upgrades at Aberporth and Boscombe Down. By 2023, one in seven Watchkeepers had been lost, giving concerns about the cost-effectiveness of the Watchkeeper compared to smaller more modern UAVs.

Incidents
During the development of Watchkeeper, some units crashed in the UK, and inquiries were held.

Two Watchkeepers crashed on flight trials over Cardigan Bay in February and March 2017, resulting in the grounding of all Watchkeepers for four months. In June 2018 a Watchkeeper crashed on land near the trials base at West Wales Airport, increasing the number of Watchkeepers lost in crashes to five.

units that had crashed in the UK were WK031 - 16 October 2014, WK006 - 2 November 2015, WK042 - 3 February 2017, WK043 - 24 March 2017, and WK050 - 13 June 2018. Links to the enquiries are available at the Army Watchkeeper Web page.

A Watchkeeper crashed in Cyprus in October 2020 during a practice. This was due to an avionics power failure and the air vehicle being unable to regain communication with the ground control system. Following the incident, WK044 operated as planned following the 'lost link procedure' to regain ground communication. This was unsuccessful, so the air vehicle attempted to land. Upon an attempted landing, a nose gear steering failure caused the air vehicle to steer off the runway. The incident resulted in the loss of WK044.

A Watchkeeper crashed near Cyprus in May 2022 during a practice. Its wreckage was recovered from the sea to begin investigation into the cause of the incident.

On 10 November 2022, a Watchkeeper WK036 crashed on an exercise in New Mexico, the eighth loss since 2014.

Deployment
On 29 September 2014, the MoD revealed that an undisclosed number of Watchkeepers had become fully operational and sent to Afghanistan. The aircraft were stationed at Camp Bastion to provide force protection for British troops and worked alongside Hermes 450s that it is derived from. Watchkeeper proved its use by successfully supporting a detachment of U.S. Marines using its Thales I-Master radar. It cued a Hermes 450 onto a target for continued tracking, which then passed the information on to a Royal Air Force MQ-9 Reaper to conduct an airstrike. Some 140 flights were conducted for 8 hours a day until operations ceased in mid-October 2014.

Border patrol
In September 2020 under Operation Devran the UK Border Force started using Watchkeeper to patrol the English Channel for potential illegal entrants into the UK. The operation was criticised as being of little practical value. Just 15 sorties, totalling 43 hours and 52 minutes, were flown in September 2020, and six sorties for 23 hours and 54 minutes were flown the following month. Chris Cole, director of Drone Wars UK, said "the use of military-grade drones at borders is the beginning of the use of drones that blur the boundaries between military and domestic policing".

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