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Talk:Marshall Amplification

Article cleanup
We need to really cut down on the number of sections. I've added in pertinent information on the JCM 800 series (mysteriously ommited along with the original JMP) and some famous examples of their use. However, I've boldly cut a great deal of information regarding the technical minutia regarding the specs of the amp series. If you've played or own a Marshall, you know it's a Sispysian ordeal to describe each and every switch and feature of each amp. All we need is an encyclopedia worthy description of it's NOTEWORTHY features. For example, the TSL has three channels that go "clean, crunch, ultra" and the DSL has only two. We dont' need to know about each "Deep" switch" or individual reverb tank nuance. We need to know what the company and it's amps are about.  Even the section as edited is frankly too long and too long winded. Mooshimanx 19:52, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, I see you undid the revision, without making any changes to the confusing and overdone article. Please, this is a project; there is no need to become attached to your "pet sections and versions" you've made. Feel free to change the rewrite, but in it's current state, the article was flagged for being, frankly, a complete mess. Sorry, it's going back; please see WP:MOSDEF. I understand that some may feel slighted having extensive sections on the various minute features of each amp deleted, however, this is not to wikipedia standards. This article is not a spec readout of each Marshall Amp. The only features that should be detailed are groundbreaking or new features to the Marshall family; if I wanted to list every Marshall user and every piece of information on Marshall's I knew, the article would be 17 singles spaced print pages long. It's not to standard. Sorry. Mooshimanx 21:53, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

The section regarding "Current Models" is just cut and paste from Marshall's advertisers. Section will be flagged for cleanup. Mooshimanx (talk) 18:44, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

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Did Jim Marshall really say of Jimi Hendrix, as you have him quoted, "Just another American looking for something for nothing", or does his biographer Jim Doyle have it right when he quotes him as saying "just another one looking for something for nothing.?" Again, a citation is needed here, and unless you have an original bit of information, You know Jim Marshall personally or can point to an interview or something, the authorized biography has to win out. You cant just put words into peoples mouths. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Solerso68 (talk • contribs) 05:39, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Amplifier Series
Hey guys,

I just started a section on the JCM 2000 series of amplifiers. It would be good if everybody could contribute by chooseing an amplifer series and making a section out of it. I believe that this will make the "Marshall amplifer" article in general more comprehensive

Salvorix 04:08, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Marshall Stack
It's well known that Yngwie does actually use as many as 31 full stacks. I'd agree that most bands do use dummy cabinets but Yngwie isn't the sort of person to do things by half. Paul Tew 03:58, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

They’re obviously nearly all fake - mainly because it’s illegal to play really loud, these days. There are environmental laws that didn’t exist in the 60s and 70s. Plus, sound is just delivered differently at modern concerts - they have most of the amplification spread all over the venue, to give a better surround sound experience. I’d go as far as saying probably only 2-3 of Yngwies stacks are turned on, during a show. Probably not even that many.

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I've actually seen a wall of fake stacks being unloaded outside the Astoria (just the fronts) but I can't for the life of me remember the band.

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Yeah, I'd really like to see a picture of stacks that made Marshall very distinctive.

I wonder where the factory is? some town in england?

It's in Milton Keynes.

It's actually in Bletchley which is next to Milton Keynes. I'm not sure whether it is mentioned in the article but Marshall sponsor the MK Dons football team. Paul Tew 10:34, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Bletchley is part of Milton Keynes, not next to it. And yes the shirt sponsorship is mentioned in Trivia. --Concrete Cowboy 12:09, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

POV, errors and etc comments
There is much POV-ness, coupled with some awkward phrasing in the article.

Specifically, the mention of much demand for cutting edge and vintage amplifiers. I'd say demand for innovation from Marshall is on the wane, at best. This can be corellated with the general public distaste for the Mode Four, while the Handwired series is garnering tons of praise (and probably selling relatively well). Not to mention the dozen or so smaller companies all vying for the crown of best copy of a Plexi/JTM45/18watt etc etc.

Also, I take issue with the Bluesbreaker being considered Marshall's most famous amplifier- I'd say the Plexi-era stack has far surpassed the Bluesbreaker in visibility to the general public. And surely, sales of JCM-800/900s have far outstripped probably everything they shipped in the entirety of the 1960s.

The circuitry certainly changed from Plexi -> Aluminum. From Marshalls press release for the Handwired amps: "The so-called 'Plexi' era (late 1965 to July 1969) was named because of the Plexiglas material used on the model 1959's front panel. It ended when the company changed its front panel material from Plexiglas to brushed aluminum. During this relatively short period, many small but often significant circuit changes were made and the majority of them were in response to artists continually asking for the amps to be more aggressive sounding. After exhaustive research tracking the exact timeline of these changes and also finding many untouched examples of them, a pre-July 1969 SL/A head was chosen as being 'the one' to duplicate."
 * That doesn't imply a change between Plexi and Ali panel. That implies a change within the Plexi. All of the changes were evolutionary. There is more of a misconception that the so-called 'Plexi-era' came to an abrupt halt when they switched to the aluminium panel. There is as much variation within the Plexi-era as there was between late Plexi and early Aluminium panel amps. The circuit is fairly consistent for non master volume 1959 heads from their first Plexi appearance to 1980. Even the change from handwired to PCB was gradual (if that makes sense).

I don't know if it was a weird joke, but Dudley Moore worked for Marshall? I'd love to see a citation for this, as it would be news to me.

The history is a little skewed, there were master volume JMP models prior to the JCMs in the very late 70s. Slash, for instance, played an 800, and had a signature model- but the article implies he played a plexi-era amp. In fact, JCM-800s are every bit, if not more relevant than the current JCM-2000 series. I realize the model sections are a work in progress, just wanted to point that out. It's notable that Marshall actually reissued the JCM-800 amps some 15 years after discontinuing them. If that's not testament to their rapid quasi-vintage appeal I don't know what is.

The paragraph about Valvestate amps is criminally POV-ed, and reads like an advertisement. Yeah, no doy a single 12ax7 can last for years- nothing 'revolutionary' about a tube gain stage coupled to a solid state power amp- such designs have been around since at least the mid 70s. Frankly, the AVT amps are pretty much the exclusive domain of beginners and kids, and have a very poor reputation among professional players. I dont think the section should be wiped out, but really rephrased and elaborated on only in proportion with their more notable products.

Thought I'd solicit some feedback before going ahead and editing.

Tremspeed 23:11, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say be WP:BOLD and edit away. Anything that seems like an advert and isn't sourced can go, as far as I'm concerned.  This article could really use a once-over by a neutral, knowledgable person. Let me know if you need any help finding citations. --  Aguerriero  ( talk ) 00:02, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I know. It's a big rewrite though. Thanks for the offer. Tremspeed 03:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I will have time to help after this week. I will start searching for some reference material for Marshall amps and we'll see if we can get a great article out of this! --  Aguerriero  ( talk ) 16:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Let me know if you guys need an extra pair of hands.  MightyMoose22 > Abort,  Retry,   Fail? _  00:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Marshall company did not invent the 100-watt guitar amplifier
Apparently, the Vox Company of Great Britain invented them in 1964 for use by The Beatles on tour - not that the extra power really helped them to be heard over tens of thousands of screaming teenagers, of course. This is referred to in passing in the Wikipedia article on Vox and claims made in both articles need fact-checking for accuracy.PJtP (talk) 05:49, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Some back history. In a Guitar Player Magazine interview with John Entwistle he stated that he was using a 50W Marshall head and a 4x12 cabinet in late 1964/early 1965. He kept the 4x12 Marshall cabinet but in May 1965 he and Townshend both switched to Vox-AC 100 heads (Townshend using a Vox cabinet as well) because, as Entwistle says in the interview, "Vox aleady had one out." And, to support that statement about Vox, in The Beatles' Anthology video George Harrison clearly states that the band had to switch to Vox custom built 100 watt amps early in the Beatlemania years just so that they could try and hear themselves (they still couldn't) But in Harrison's wording he isn't saying Vox invented them... just that they built some specifically for The Beatles to use. This means Vox first started making 100W amps for them around 1964. Both Entwistle and Townshend switched to Marshall 100 watt heads in November 1965. Their switch was to Marshall's JTM100 Super Lead Tremolo heads... 1959 models (Marshall's earliest prototypes of that amp JTM45s rebuilt as 100s) So if The Beatles were given 100W amps and later, as Entwistle stated, he and Pete switched to Vox AC100s because "they had them out" he was being truthful... Vox DID 'have them out'... they had them out for The Beatles. Having them out and inventing them are 2 different claims. The Who are credited with 'the Marshall Stack' in 1965 because they plunked 100W Marshall heads on top of custom 8x12 Marshall speaker cabinets. They didn't 'invent' the 100W head... just the idea of having multiple heads sitting on top of multiple cabinets towering high enough for 8 speakers. And the heads they were given were first built and tested in 1959. Which precedes Vox specifically making 100W amps for the Beatles by about 4-5 years. By early 1967 both Entwisle and Townshend are using Sound City 100W amp heads in England with Pete using Sunn 100W amp heads when touring in the U.S.(probably to save on carting all that gear across the pond). So by this time it looks like just about everyone has no problems with putting out 100W amps for Pete to burn up. But back to his first pairing of Marshall head and custom 8x12 cabs... his 1959 prototype model Marshalls were the amps used. Did Marshall invent them? I am still digging through stacks of old mags/catalogues from the 1960s/70s. But so far I can't find reference anywhere claiming a 100 watt build before 1959.I will keep looking though. Mr Pyles (talk) 06:34, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I can correct myself already.... the 1959, as I thought I was reading in the interview, was not a year at all. Just a model number. Tricky Marshall. I did find another Entwistle interview from just before his death where he contradicts himself about getting the Vox amp and states 'we told Jim Marshall to make 100W heads because no one else made them' Which was clearly incorrect in that interview because, supported by many photos, The Who did use Vox 100W heads before using Marshall 100W Super Leads... 3 1959 JTM45s rebuilt specifically/supposedly by request and first used by both Pete and John in November 1965... which is after The Beatles were given their 100W Vox amps. Lots of interviews with Jim Marshall have him claiming he gave The Who 3 100 watt heads because "they asked for them and no one else made them" But this would not be corect since Paul McCartney got his 100W Vox in 1964 (Lennon and Harrison getting theirs a little while later). More reading to be done to solidify this one. Mr Pyles (talk) 07:03, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

JMP sentence
This line can't be correct

In the mid-1970s, Marshall introduced the "master volume" ("MV") series, which was initially called the "JMP",

The JMP amps were avalible in the early 70's without master volume. Some one should change this. Izzy007 21:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree, this is a far too common assumption and reposted right across the internet. The JMP series reflect a timeframe, not the Master Volume. I personally own a non-master volume SuperLead from 1979 that is a JMP. The front configuration is the same and indeed much of the circuit/chassis is very much like the Plexi and earlier JTMs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.16.43.176 (talk) 20:16, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I can't confirm the "JMP" usage, since I quit very shortly after the first two dual-volume control models (2150 and 4140) arrived. Back at that time, my main musical interests were 1970's Country and Western and Jazz. When they told me new amps were coming in and Marshall was going to put out a Jazz / C&W amp, I cringed. They came in, I selected the resistor that set the maximum possible reverb, and did the initial sound test. Wow!! Hands down the best Jazz / CW amp I had ever heard! And a truly awesome totally tube fuzz! Tony Frank personally told me he came up with the dual-stage/dual-volume-control design. Rick Reinckens 24.238.177.197 (talk) 03:48, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

artists
A list of artists who use Marshall amps? Should it be added? --88.106.96.12 11:26, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

No. In each section, the most notable users are listed already; and Marshall is probably the largest amp company on Earth. The number of users; even famous users is staggering. Therefore, I've limited each section to around 2-4 users. Some users, like Hendrix, are iconic and MUST be mentioned. Edward Van Halen's use of the amp might be worthy. But the list should end at anyone who is not a true household name; like Clapton, Hendrix, Slash, etc., or someone who had a real impact on the brand (the Who were responsible for the invention of the 4x12 for example) I left mention of Kerry King of Slayer fame to mollify death metal guy who will rewrite the whole article if I don't leave at least some mention of Marshall use by more extreme artists. Mooshimanx 20:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Some of the References I Used
Some of the references I included here were taken from the September 2002 edition of Guitar World magazine which outlines the corporate history of Marshall Amplification. How many of you here agree with some of those paragraphs from it? WikiPro1981X (talk) 20:32, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Early Innovations toward a British sourced model
This is clearly out of context, and I am trusting to somebody more knowledgeable than me as to wiki editing. The change from a 6L6 tube to a KT-66 is impossible, without changing the output wattage, all of the Transformers, and the tube biasing networks. I believe that the correct component should be the british KT-88, that with just a small number of circuit routingd can be used in place of the US 6L6 tube. A kt88 is closely related to either a 6L6, or a 6550 (thereabouts). The KT-66 is actually a lower wattage, lower gain tube much more equivalent to the (US naming convention) 6V6. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obsoehollerith (talk • contribs) 01:13, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Photos
The article is severely lacking in photos in comparison to, say, the Gibson Guitar Corporation article. Please let's add some pictures. User:VintageGuitarGuy 23:23, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

MB Series (Bass amplifiers)
I saw it was lacking those series of amps and i have added them with the respective page Tuner420 (talk) 05:33, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

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Marshall Group, Sweden v Marshall Amplification, England
Until we have reliable sources that clarify the status of the Amplification Division, we need to hold off making bold changes to the article. Marshall amps are notable, the overall group probably is not. So it may be that material about the corporation has to go as it would be wrong to turn this article into a marketing vehicle. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 10:49, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

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 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was to keep the article. --Canderson7 23:09, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

King Street, Cambridge
This is King Street, Cambridge, which branches off from Jesus Lane, named after Jesus College that it runs behind. It makes a turn and then runs parallel to Jesus Street for maybe 500 meters until it reaches a small roundabout. The only coffee house in Cambridge that doesn't close at 6 PM is on that road, as is the delightful St. Radegund's pub, which has a selection of well kept guest ales on offer. There are a few shops and pubs more. It it away from the main shopping area. As I say, it's not particularly long, not particularly wide, it's not particular in any way in fact. It's not even a B-road. That's why it isn't encyclopedia-worthy. 129.215.195.81 Pilatus 21:38, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * And I forgot: it has nothing to do with King's College, King's is on King's Parade. Pilatus 22:31, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete.   Not encyclopaedic.    Paul Klenk 22:25, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Does no harm. Dmn  €  Դմն 23:12, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a grab-bag of data. Trivia such as these make people see the trees instead of the forest. Pilatus 00:50, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * If they were looking for the forest, they wouldn't be using "random article". Kappa 03:18, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. A merge with Cambridge would also be fine.  It's that road at the opposite side of Christ's Pieces to Drummer Street bus station.  Rather pretty, and famous for the annual run a pub crawl called The King Street Run. --Tony Sidaway Talk  23:59, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * keep and merge The King Street Run into it. Kappa 02:29, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with Cambridge and redirect. Denni ☯ 02:52, 2005 August 28 (UTC)
 * Delete, redirect to Cambridge. Radiant_ >|< 09:00, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. It has the back of Christ's typewriter, some very nice housing, and an invaluable antique shop. And the King Street Run. David | Talk 14:21, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Pilatus --TimPope 16:10, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep; unlike many of the thousands of highways listed, King Street actually has some cultural significance (which should be expanded upon in the article itself.) Sdedeo 19:11, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep roadcruft. --SPUI (talk) 17:29, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect with Cambridge, or keep if the article expands before end of VfD. JYolkowski // talk 01:46, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - the road is of note, for those who have actually been to Cambridge...if anything, the article needs expanding--jrleighton 09:33, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
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In 1975, Bollay became an early quant (before the term was invented), computing real-time option pricing. Real-time stock and option data was so new, he had to design and build his own hardware to interface his Data General Eclipse computer with the Bunker Ramo machine and ticker.

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 * Do not delete this page.
 * Keep --Steven Fisher 22:06:46, 2005-08-29 (UTC)
 * Delete, but Integrate it with the Treo Smartphone page, consolidate all separate Treo pages into one I say. — Vesther 22:49, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: the problem with that is that you end up with a mess like the current Tungsten Handheld page, which really needs to be broken up. The Treo page would be worse. --Steven Fisher 19:57:19, 2005-08-30 (UTC)
 * Keep - I found it useful. 69.92.141.242 03:53, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
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 * Keep - Too much useful information here to delete. 69.178.12.123 22:30, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - Found the article very useful when shopping for a new device.
 * Keep - Defining major versions of a device and offering specifications, featuresets, etc. is very helpful and in keeping with the collective knowledge aspirations of Wikipedia. The 'Treo' article is effective as is, with a basic definition of the device family and links to the various Treo version articles (such as the article in question) which, as mentioned above, are best kept individual. — llh 22:12, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, very useful. --Snafuu 02:03, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, handy page, and the 650 is distinct enough to merit its own article. integrating with the Treo page would be quite messy. --NeuronExMachina 07:01, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, The 650 is a mile stone in intergration of the PDA with the Cell. Oct 4th


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Al Anderson (musician)

Albert Anderson (born October 11, 1952) is an American-born songwriter and guitarist.

Anderson grew up in Montclair, New Jersey, and attended Montclair High School where he learned to play the trombone, eventually picking up guitar & bass guitar. He later attended the Berklee College of Music contemporaneously with Pat Metheny and Al Di Meola after working with an early version of Aerosmith in the Boston music scene. He joined The Centurions, which brought him to the attention of Chris Wood of Traffic, who invited him to play on the band's next album. The Traffic album involvement never materialized, but led to Anderson becoming employed by Traffic's record label Island Records, leading to him being asked to play lead guitar on Bob Marley & The Wailers' Natty Dread sessions. Anderson played lead guitar on "Crazy Baldhead" and on the Live! album, remaining with the band until 1976, when he joined Word, Sound and Power, backing Peter Tosh on the albums Legalize It and Equal Rights. He returned to Marley's band and played on the live album Babylon By Bus and the studio albums Survival and Uprising. After Marley's death, Anderson continued to tour with The Wailers Band. Anderson went on to record with Ben Harper (Diamonds On the Inside (2003)) and Lauryn Hill on her multi-Grammy winning debut The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill (1998). He also produced and performed on an album for actor Steven Seagal (Songs from the Crystal Cave (2005)). In 2008 he formed the band The Original Wailers with Junior Marvin.

Tours with Bob Marley & The Wailers

 * Jun–Jul 1975: Natty Dread Tour (U.S., Canada, England)
 * May–Aug 1978: Kaya Tour (U.S., Canada, England, France, Spain, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Netherlands, Belgium)
 * Apr–May 1979: Babylon by Bus Tour (Japan, New Zealand, Australia, Hawaii)
 * Oct–Dec 1979: Survival Tour (U.S., Canada, Trinidad & Tobago, Bahamas)
 * May–Sep 1980: Uprising Tour (Switzerland, Germany, France, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Ireland, England, Scotland, Wales, U.S.)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gabriel Mouton

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was KEEP. -Splash 02:09, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Gabriel Mouton
This article needs too much work to live. At a minimum it should discuss or at least list all the proposed units, relate them to the earlier units they correspond to and the later units that adopted the concept, speak to why its decimal and related to an arc of the earths great circle, who Mouton was involved with as regards his astronomy, what problems he worked on as a mathematician, how his contemporaries received his ideas and what the connection is to measurements of the earth and the metric system.Rktect 21:45, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep I don't know if having once tagged it I'm allowed to untag it, but I went into the article and, despite that it took some work, corrected some of the more glaring mistakes such as those regarding Mouton and the second pendulum using "Klein World of Measurement" and then added Klein as a reference.Rktect 18:48, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

 * Rktext, you have tagged this article as disputed, but have yet to discuss your reasons on the article's discussion page. VfD is not the place to dispute any shortcomings - until you have had a chance to explain / discuss the disputate. Ian Cairns 00:01, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

 * My origiinal reason was, that as others have noted, the facts were wrong, but I do agree that now that the worst of Egil's errors are corrected it can stay.Rktect 18:48, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. However, this article should contain information about Mouton, not Rktect's personal theories and original research about the entire history of measurements.  Gene Nygaard

 * I don't think citing a standard reference work that is in it's fifth printing is original research but in case you want to check me out, every fact I added can be found in Klein, mostly from Chapter 9 pp 105-115 Rktect 18:48, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

 * Speedy keep, I see no assertions that would make me think this article does not belong in Wikipedia. Ken talk 14:46, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

 * Undecided . I wrote this (up to today), and spent some effort researching it, but as things are now developing, I think I would rather see it deleted. As it is, it serves no purpose other than wasting time and effort. -- Egil 14:50, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep, because VfD is not cleanup. Mouton appears to be a notable mathematician, and is part of the ancestry of the metric system; an article about him would be encyclopedic.  A random reference:   Nandesuka 15:48, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. The problem is that the Wikipedia system as is makes cleanup impossible (kindly ask me by email why that is the case). So, in my mind, Wikipedia is much better off with this article (and many others) deleted than leaving them open to contributions from those who do not fit the assumption that people are reasonable and have good intentions, but are also not 100% vandals. -- Egil 17:26, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Cleanup is not impossible. It's not even particularly difficult.  Try harder.  I find that if you're right, you will quickly accrue co-editors who will help you reach (and implement) consensus.  Nandesuka 05:22, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I have tried this route for a month, and now given up. Wikipedia style "consensus" has been reached in VfD after VfD, but the only result is that the "problem" moves to new articles. Real "consensus" requires that the parties accept the outcome - when this is not the case the concept fails. -- Egil 09:14, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. The problem here is not with the article, but with Rktect and his agenda. Pburka 18:17, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep and cleanup. Notable mathematician for his role in the metric system. Capitalistroadster 19:57, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and cleanup. VfD is not the place to complain about article quality. Sdedeo 20:12, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, clean up. --Finbarr Saunders 20:56, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep and cleanup, bad faith nomination, since Rktect is in a running feud with Egil. Full disclosure: supposedly I am a minion of Egil, even though we have never spoken to each other.  Zoe 22:17, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. This VfD is a waste of time. Paul August ☎ 02:06, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep inches are still better. Klonimus 18:08, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Article looks fine to me. Gandalf61 12:46, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. wow, you mean we could have had a system that made sense? linas 23:58, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and cleanup. Mostly typos and layout issues. Ian Cairns 06:39, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Boulting

Boulting is an English language surname. Notable people with surname include:

 * Crispian Boulting (born 1973), British musician
 * Ingrid Boulting (born 1947), American model and actress
 * John Boulting (1913–1985), British filmmaker
 * Ned Boulting (born 1969), British journalist
 * Roy Boulting (1913–2001), British filmmaker
 * Sydney Boulting (1912–1998), British filmmaker

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Talk:Boeing Defense, Space & Security

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I removed the reference to "black projects" from the Phantom Works description. Although there may be black projects underway within Phantom Works, that is not the sole (or even the primary) function of the group. andersonpd 21:45, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Missouri?
We need to stamp out this inclination that people have to put their project template all over pages that have very little related content. —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 01:18, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Boeing-Logo.svg
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Brimstone a Boeing product
Either the brimstone entry is wrong, or this one. "The missile airframe is developed from Boeing's AGM-114 Hellfire, but Brimstone is an all new design with its own motor, warhead and seeker". Does this make it a Boeing product? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supersymetrie (talk • contribs) 12:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Template?
I think this article needs a unified template similar to this one for civilian airliners. Maybe someone would do it for us all? It would dramatically improve navigation throughout Boeing military aircraft articles. Le Grand Bleu (talk) 06:54, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

 * See Template:Boeing military aircraft, which should have been in the article already. I've added it to the article, along with the company website. Thanks for catching that it was missing/needed. - BilCat (talk) 13:21, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Fantastic! Thank you! Le Grand Bleu (talk) 20:05, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

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Business unit?
Does it really need to specify that? I honestly thought I was on the simple English wikipedia for a second, I think division is understandable Aquaticsans (talk) 03:02, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Divisions of Boeing have been called Business Units by the company in the past. But no this is not needed in the first sentence of the Lead like it is now. I'll remove that. -Fnlayson (talk) 03:29, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

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User talk:Jay Belen

Great idea for Peanuts caption -- I love that pic. Schulz was asked to design that cover. Paul Klenk 21:46, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

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Ice Harbor Dam

Ice Harbor Lock and Dam is a hydroelectric, concrete gravity run-of-the-river dam in the northwest United States. On the lower Snake River in southeastern Washington, it bridges Walla Walla and Franklin counties. Located 8 mi northeast of Burbank and 12 mi east of Pasco, river mile 9.7, the dam's name comes from a tiny bay in the river where boats once tied up to wait for upstream ice-jams to break up.

Construction began in June 1955; the main structure and three generators were completed 63.61945319713978 years ago in 1961, with an additional three generators finished in 1976. Generating capacity is 603 megawatts, with an overload capacity of 693 MW. The spillway has ten gates and is 590 ft in length.

Dam system
Built and operated by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Ice Harbor Dam is part of the Columbia River Basin system of dams.

Visitor center
Inside the dam on the south side of the river is a large visitor center that has been recently updated to include a new film "The Snake - River of Life" and a new modern interactive touch screen kiosk with information on the dam and recreational opportunities in the area. The visitor center also has a fish ladder viewing room which offers an excellent view of migrating salmon, steelhead, and shad. Due to security, visitors must pass through the security gate to gain access.

Surrounding water bodies
Lake Sacajawea, named for Sacajawea, is formed behind the dam. The lake stretches to the base of Lower Monumental Dam, 32 mi upstream. The Wallula Channel, formed from the backup of Snake River entering the Columbia River just southeast of Pasco, runs 10 mi downstream from the base of the dam.

 * Navigation lock
 * Single-lift
 * 86 ft wide
 * 675 ft long

Climate
The record for the highest temperature in Washington state, at 118 °F, was tied at Ice Harbor Dam on August 5, 1961. The record, which was shared with Wahluke (118 °F in 1928), was eventually surpassed on June 29, 2021, when Hanford reached 120 °F.

Northwest Infrastructure Proposal
Since 2019 Representative Mike Simpson (R), representing central and eastern Idaho, has been working on and presenting the $33 billion Columbia Basin Fund, as a way to restore the endangered Columbia-Snake basin salmon, including the Snake River sockeye salmon, and steelhead. The plan was released in February 2021. The ultimate goal of the plan is to remove or breach (partial removal) four dams on the lower Snake River. This would involve the Ice Harbor, Lower Granite Dam, Little Goose Dam, and the Lower Monumental Dam beginning with the farthest inland or Lower Granite Dam. The fund would include creating alternate energy plans that would have to be implemented and finished first before any dam removal. The plan has brought together an extensive coalition of organizations, local, state, national and international, as well as the Yakama Nation, Confederated Tribes of the Umatilla Indian Reservation, Shoshone-Bannock Tribe, and the Nez Perce Tribe, in a proposed ''Northwest State and Tribal Fish and Wildlife Council", in support of the plan.

The Bonneville Power Administration advocates for keeping the dams even though the power from the four dams are considered surplus. and others oppose as written. Opposition from 17 environmental groups is the proposed license extension to 35 years for the other dams in the Columbia Basin as well as a moratorium on salmon-related lawsuits.

Washington Governor Jay Inslee and Senator Patty Murray are in opposition stating that any proposal needs a "science-based," "community-driven" approach. The Whitehouse, through the White House Council on Environmental Quality, released two reports that looks at the possibility of dam removal. U.S. Representatives. Dan Newhouse, Cathy McMorris Rodgers, and Jaime Herrera Beutler, all from Washington, Cliff Bentz of Oregon, Russ Fulcher of Idaho, and Matt Rosendale of Montana, referred to the report as biased. More than $17 billion has been spent on the recovery of the fish since they were classified as endangered species in 1991 but the efforts to reach sustainable levels has been called a failure.

An association of river commercial groups commissioned a study concluded that dam removal would jeopardize already fragile local and regional economies and that the needed train and trucking increase would require up to $2 billion in road and rail improvements.

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User:Lkcl

WikiProject_Computing/Computer_hardware_task_force

intro
Hi, I am Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton, i very rarely touch a shift key, i use my full name deliberately to avoid the american-biased search engine algorithms something along the lines of "oo look it's three words therefore it must be a name let's apply some brain-dead conventions to it".

i recently noticed that wikipedia has information on protocols with which i am familiar, from my work on Samba TNG. in particular, i noticed that a lot of people just... haven't got a clue: the dozens of different services running over a dozen or so totally distinct protocols that make up windows nt networking are all glommed in people's heads into one of three specific protocols: NetBIOS, NETBEUI or SMB aka CIFS.

this i find particularly irritating, because it's a bit like saying "hi i want an Internet Protocol and i want it to be on HTTP" - the sentence makes absolutely no sense, and will irritate the crap out of any experienced TCP/IP networking guru. it's also a bit like... oh, say... blaming DHCP for the problems associated with Spam, because you can obtain a networking address from a DHCP server, and as soon as you do so, lots of crap email arrives.

anyway, here's a list of the pages i've been involved in editing. i'm maintaining the list at the mo for my own evil purposes and i hope you find it useful too.

lkcl page edits

 * Vector processing
 * Libre-SOC - being developed (done, thanks User:Henriok) - watch links Special:WhatLinksHere/Libre-SOC
 * Out-of-order_execution - not in a good shape, quite unclear
 * Scoreboarding - factually incorrect, needs a lot of editing
 * NetBIOS
 * NETBEUI
 * Server Message Block
 * Distributed Computing Environment
 * DCEThreads
 * MSRPC
 * DCE/RPC
 * FreeDCE
 * Named Pipes
 * The Open Group
 * DCOM
 * Samba TNG software
 * Samba software
 * Pyjamas (software)
 * Google Web Toolkit
 * Rich Internet application
 * OpenPOWER_Microwatt
 * Open-source_car

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Talk:High-definition television in the United States

What exactly are the defense industry implications
What exactly are the defense industry implications of having a high definition television system? Could someone enlighten this area of the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.94.202.19 (talk • contribs) 14:47, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

List of current American high-definition channels Table Needs To Be Reformatted
The table at the List of current American high-definition channels section is a readability and accessibility nightmare, and needs to be completely reformatted, IMO.

First thing – get rid of the 'Letterbox/Pillarbox' column which is 1) entirely unsourced, and is 2) mostly extraneous info anyway (if this is at all relevant, it can be mentioned in prose, sourced to something). Second, why is 'Broadcast' 'colspanned' across two columns, but not cable?! – the broadcast nets should have a 'Category' as well: call it either 'General' or 'Entertainment'.

Third, my strong advice would be to split this info into two tables – one for networks that broadcast in 720p (e.g. ABC) and one for 1080i (which is most TV networks). This would eliminate another column from the table, and would eliminate a lot (though not all) of the horrible use of rowspan in the table which is a readability/accessibility nightmare.

Finally the 'First launched HD service' date either need to be sourced to something or that column too should be removed from the table.

But the current table is a mess, and seriously needs to be cleaned up. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:31, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not sure what the intended meaning of those year ranges is in the Letterbox/Pillarbox column. An example, ABC definitely had Letterbox (widescreen) national news broadcasting before 2016. Here's a clip from the end of 2008, where their retrospective content was all in Pillarbox, but the monologue was widescreen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPbudcxbBl4. Here's an example from the end of 2009, a special report, all widescreen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZj8ijRCH-M. And, finally, an "ABC HD" clip of World News near the end of 2009: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Yjo61b7bE. mmortal03 (talk) 00:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)


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Nueva Esparta State Anthem

The anthem for the Nueva Esparta State, Venezuela (Himno del Estado Nueva Esparta), was written by Miguel Ángel Mata Silva; and composed by Benigno Rodríguez Bruzual.

Lyrics in Spanish
Chorus Gloria a Margarita, ¡la perla de oriente! Gloria a Nueva Esparta, ¡Patria del valor! que nunca se apague su estrella fulgente, su estrella de gloria, libertad y amor.

Verse One Coronas de nubes de la Matasiete, cinturón de espumas el Caribe Mar, y es el heroísmo su escudo y ariete, su rito el trabajo, la gloria su altar. En la magna lucha levanta primero cual iris sagrado, nuestro pabellón; y nunca lo rinde su brazo guerrero, pues ella es el faro de la insurrección.

Verse Two Su ilustre espartano, la fama pregona, la historia la ciñe de lauro inmortal. Sus hijos son héroes de Marte y Belona, sus héroes son hijos de Homero y Mistral. Siete estrellas blancas, sagradas y bellas la patria coronan bordando su azul Margarita es una de las siete estrellas y llena de rayos el cerúleo tul.

Verse Three Le dieron renombre de heroica y divina, renombre que esplende cual nimbo en su sien con Luisa la mártir, la egregia heroína Arismendi, Gómez, Mariño y también Maneiro, Figueroa, Lares y Fermín y Díaz, Aguirre, Solva (Cayetano) y al par de mil héroes del Campo Antolín.

Verse Four Unidos sus hijos en santa armonía por ley de existencia, por noble deber el yugo arrojemos de la tiranía, cada vez que el yugo nos quiera imponer y siempre guardemos con nuestra bravura la sagrada herencia de la Libertad, y siempre nos una por nuestra ventura con lazos de flores la fraternidad.

Lyrics translated into English
Chorus Glory to Margarita, the pearl of the East! Glory to New Esparta, land of courage! May her bright star never fade, her star of glory, freedom, and love.

Verse One Crowns of clouds from the Matasiete, belt of foam the Caribbean Sea, and heroism is her shield and battering ram, her ritual is work, glory her altar. In the great battle, she rises first Such a sacred rainbow, our pavilion; and will never surrender her warrior arm, because she is the guiding light of the insurrection.

Verse Two Her illustrious spartan, the fame announces, history clads her with immortal praise. Her children are heroes of Mars and Bellona, her heroes are children of Homer and Mistral. Seven white stars, sacred and beautiful the country they crown embroidering her blue Margarita is one of the seven stars and full of rays is her azure tulle.

Verse Three They gave her heroic and divine reputation, reputation that shines like a halo in her temple with Luisa the martyr, the famous heroine Arismendi, Gómez, Mariño and also Maneiro, Figueroa, Lares and Fermín and Díaz, Aguirre, Solva (Cayetano) and together with one thousand heroes of Campo Antolín.

Verse Four Her children united in holy harmony by law of existence, by noble duty we shall throw off the yoke of tyranny, every time they try to impose it on us and shall we always guard with our courage the sacred heirloom of liberty, and bind us always by our fate with bonds of flowers and brotherhood.

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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/BBC television drama

BBC television drama
Self-nomination. Something of a labour of love for me this article as it's about a strong particular interest of mine. I appreciate that the subject is quite broad and not one that necessarily stands out as a natural one-article topic, but I felt that the area could do with a decent overview piece. It's been up on peer review for the past week, attracting only one comment which I've dealt with as best I can. (The comment was that BBC children's drama wasn't addressed - I've added a small section, but that's really a topic big enough for its own article, and children's drama was almost always done by the children's rather than the drama department anyway). Angmering 21:48, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Object. The images Image:Cathycomehome.JPG, Image:Quatexp01.JPG, Image:Daleksindoctorwho.JPG, Image:1968holmes.JPG, Image:Penniesfromheaven.JPG, Image:Boysfromtheblackstuff.JPG, Image:Eod02.JPG, Image:Ourfriends.JPG, Image:Spooks003.JPG are claimed as "fair use".  As such, the source and copyright holder need to be indicated, and a "fair use" rationale, as outlined in Fair use and Image description page, needs to be provided.  See Sunset Boulevard (film) for a particularly good example of the use of "fair use" images in an article.  Also, the article is a bit heavy on the fair-use images.  Wikipedia is a free content encyclopedia, so use of non-free images should be kept to a minimum.  Consider removing images from shows if the shows aren't mentioned directly in the prose. --Carnildo 07:22, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Understood - I'll add source info and copyright holder. I appreciate that there are a lot of fair use images, but there's little else other than screenshots you can really use to illustrate an article of this type. Angmering 15:46, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I have now added rationale and source information to the pictures. I hope this meets the requirements. Angmering 16:12, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Support. I don't think fair use screenshots in a BBC Television article rule it out from being a featured article -- otherwise you may as well get rid of the whole fair use provision on wikipedia. Having said that, the fair use rationale procedure mentioned above should be gone through, along with noting the source and copyright holder. The article is informative and well-written... every bit fa material. - Motor (talk) 11:46:12, 2005-08-28 (UTC)

 * Conditional support, the lead should be bulked up somewhat to summarise the contents of the article.--nixie 05:22, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I've expanded the lead section to try and summarise the article more - any better? Angmering 11:09, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It's a lot better. Could you also make a propper list of the html links given in text using one of the footnoting systems or add them to the reference list, external links should be properly referenced for the reader and for future reference.--nixie 00:14, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I've now done this too. Hope the format's okay. Angmering 10:07, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Great, I fully support--nixie 01:16, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Support (I've removed some line breaks that made the images sit oddly)--Cyberjunkie | Talk 05:59, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Abstain  Erwin
 * Why? You need to exlain why you can't/won't support so your concerns can be responded to, and if valid, remedied.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 00:46, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Please don't hastle me; I happen to think that BBC Drama is shit, but I'm still gonna' abstain due 2 NPOV.  Erwin
 * While you're of course entitled to your opinion, what you think of the subject matter of the article isn't really relevant - it's what you think of the actual article itself and its suitability or not for featured status that's important here. Angmering 11:32, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * FAC is a constructive process and is unlike other fora on Wikipedia. It depends upon votes of support or objection. With any objection, it is necessary to explain what it is about the article that precludes support. This allows for the article to be improved accordingly. Un-elaborated objections are inactionable. It is really quite pointless to abstain here - one must either support or object or, of course, comment. Sorry for hassling you, but I found your comments counter-productive.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 13:26, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * That's why I wanted to abstain. The only good recent drama was "The Alan Clark Diaries", and that's not even in the article. There's your suggestion.  Erwin
 * You're right, mention of the Fictionlab output was missing. I've added a paragraph on their output for the digital channels to the The Modern Era section, including a mention of The Alan Clark Diaries. Angmering 11:44, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Support. I still don't know enough about it to vouch for the material, but it looks well researched and it reads well. Comments. Not ready to support yet. I have specific suggestions which I'll detail, but also I don't know enough about the topic to judge if it is factually correct or NPOV. Also it has been written by primarily one contributor so it doesn't have the benefit of being discussed back and forth by people with different opinions. The language does seem pretty neutral so the article is likely not egregiously POV. Specifc suggestions/concerns: 1) A number of one and two sentence paragraphs (even in the lead) interupt the flow of the prose. They highlight areas that need to be either expanded or merged with related material. 2) How were the book references used in creating or fact checking the article? None of them are cited anywhere in the text from what I can see. Any of the most important facts in the article could stand to cite them to improve the verifiability of the article. Also the references are inconsistent (only the third list is numbered), and the web references don't contain any author, publisher or date information as a full reference listing should if that information is available. See Cite sources for how to format them. 3) The children's drama being done primarily by another department doesn't seem a good reason to give it such short coverage. Is the article about the BBC drama department or BBC television drama in general? If the latter (which I submit it should be, based on the title), the article should cover the childrens drama in relation to its importance in order to be properly balanced. - Taxman Talk 17:50, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the comments. I hadn't really thought about the issues rising from the fact that it's mostly the work of one editor, i.e. me, but of course you're quite right. Not a lot I can do about that one at the moment though, of course. I've done what I can about the references - hopefully they're now more correctly formatted. As for directly citing the books in the text, that could be problematic at the moment as I don't have the books with me where I'm living at the moment. Some of them I can access copies of at the local library, but getting the direct page notes etc for some of the others might not be possible for a while. The children's drama issue is s sticking point, I agree - but it's *so* big a subject that covering it with any justice would necessitate making an article twice as long as it already is. I thought the better idea would be to leave it until it's well enough researched to have it's own linked piece at BBC children's television drama or similar. Angmering 18:57, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * No you can't entirely fix that, but a number of articles get promoted that are entirely the work of one author. For me, it's just a matter of how clear it is that a lot of research has been done in order to combat the potential negatives as much as possible. After that, I still prefer collaboration, but certainly wouldn't object to a great article only for that. For the book references, more citations would be ideal for points that need it, and please do so for the books you can access. For the ones you can't I was more looking for a confirmation of how and how much you used them. The reference formatting fixes look fine. As for the childrens drama I don't know that it needs to be a major sticking point. It depends on how important it is to the whole subject. If it should be 50/50, yeah that is a major problem, but I'm thinking it is less than that. If it should be 25% of the article for proper balance of the relative importance, then write the appropriate summary of the subject and shorten some of the other sections by summarizing and moving less important details to daughter articles ala Summary style to make room without making the article too long. You'll have to decide how important the children's drama is to the overall subject, I can't really help with that. Finally still a few more too short paragraphs that could use merging or expanding as per above. - Taxman Talk 19:25, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've gone through and merged shorter paragraphs into larger ones where it seems appropriate - I've also bulked up that short paragraph at the end of the lead section, so hopefully that's better. As for the children's drama issue, it's something I'd need to research more as it's not an area I know nearly as much about as adult drama, but doubtless something can be done. Angmering 19:43, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I have now expanded the children's drama section as much as I'm able to for the time being, and had a good stab at tying-in the book references to the text which was researched from them. Angmering 13:50, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Support. Terrific, indeed the quality of this generally one-man effort makes me doubt the wisdom of a collaborative approach for anything more significant than formatting, indexes, layout, research and other mechanical tasks. The only potential fault is that there are a lot of assertions which are not directly tied to a reference - show X was 'incredibly popular' or a 'landmark' or 'innovative' etc - but this isn't really a problem because, in the case of this particular article, I trust the editorial voice. That's one advantage that traditional encyclopaedias and non-fiction books have over Wikipedia, although the flip side is that Wikipedia generally has to try doubly hard to be convincing, and be twice as transparent with its references, and so could potentially be doubly more impressive, because there isn't the reputation of a reputable historian or trustworthy organisation on the chopping-block. Wikipedia needs more people like this Angmering chap, and a bunch of trustworthy policemen to stop vandals from perverting this kind of quality work. -Ashley Pomeroy 18:05, 7 September 2005 (UTC)


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Thomas McIntyre

Thomas McIntyre may refer to:

 * Thomas J. McIntyre (1915–1992), U.S. politician from the state of New Hampshire
 * Tommy McIntyre (born 1963), Scottish association football player

title: Thomas McIntyre


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Texas Justice

Texas Justice is a syndicated American arbitration-based reality court show.

In the program, cases were run by former Houston attorney Larry Joe Doherty, and the program was recorded at the studios of Fox station KRIV (Channel 26) in Houston, Texas.

The series lasted for 5 seasons in syndication from March 26, 2001 until November 14, 2005. The show was canceled in September 2005. Living up to the court show's title, the program's look, music and style evoked a country rural presence and cowboy atmosphere. To boot, Doherty had an innate country drawl and a Walker, Texas Ranger-like aura about him.

The show was replaced by Judge Alex, which also taped at KRIV for its first 5 seasons. Judge Alex aired from September 12, 2005 – May 21, 2014.

Reruns of the show have aired on CMT, Ion Television, and El Rey Network as well as on the Nosey app during the 2018-19 season.

title: Texas Justice