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Talk:Jeezy

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2021
Jeezy has 2 children, not 3. He has a son who will be 25 this month, and he has a daughter who is 7. 2601:408:780:7600:ADA4:5E99:8E2F:6D7F (talk) 14:40, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
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Lead sentence
hi @ChicagoWikiEditor are you able to share what led you to think it would be valuable to readers to remove "songwriter" from the article's lead sentence in this edit?

I ask this with the following in mind:

 * It seems common for musicians' articles lead sentences to contain the same occupational information that is present in the infoboxes of said articles. See: James Taylor, Paul McCartney, Eric Clapton, and Paul Simon as examples.
 * I think it's appropriate to assume that someone reading the first sentence of an article may not also read the infobox that accompanies said article. As such, I see value in the person's occupation(s) being present in both places.

Let me know what you think. I figure I'll add "songwriter" back to the lead sentence if I don't hear back from you in a week. Stussll (talk) 23:28, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

 * Hi, I had been purging many over-stuffed leads lately including some that added hobbies, less than notable roles, and even after career fame occupational roles. During that time I noticed many articles from musicians where "songwriter" is sometimes accompanied with rapper or singer and many times without, but generally always in the infobox. I understood it that songwriter is a different categorizing label when used in lead as there exist many notable music composers who write music for other artist and deserve the label, while others who only write or co-write lyrics for themselves do not. I did not see it as a controversial edit, it seems the addition is more like a filler, but if you are set on reverting it back, I will not dispute with it. ChicagoWikiEditor (talk) 21:56, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It's helps me to evolve as an editor to see the thinking behind an edit like this...I appreciate you taking the time to share it with me, @ChicagoWikiEditor.
 * I understood it that songwriter is a different categorizing label when used in lead as there exist many notable music composers who write music for other artist and deserve the label, while others who only write or co-write lyrics for themselves do not.
 * I am not currently aware of a definition that disputes the above. Considering this, and me not yet finding a reliable source that cites Jeezy as explicitly writing music for other artists, I think it makes most sense to leave the edit you've made in tact. Stussll (talk) 02:39, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 December 2022
Change origin to Hawkinsville, Georgia. Here is the source: https://www.13wmaz.com/article/news/jeezy/93-12b49d87-a379-48c5-ac67-202182270793 2600:4040:AEB2:300:3C14:9877:49AE:6AF7 (talk) 22:20, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Lemonaka (talk) 17:02, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 August 2023
Change birthplace to Greenville, South Carolina from Columbia, South Carolina. Kesharich1 (talk) 11:39, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2023
Jeezy has 3 children not 4, 1 boy and 2 girls 2601:408:C180:6A80:BDB1:D35E:2A98:F85A (talk) 04:33, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * All you have to do is listen to his music, interviews, or read his book, he has 3 children. Where is your source for him having 4?? He has 3. 1 boy, 2 girls. 2601:408:C180:6A80:BDB1:D35E:2A98:F85A (talk) 14:01, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Could you read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeezy#Personal_life and the sources provided, and if the information is still wrong, provide a published, reliable source to confirm that he indeed has 3 children?. NotAGenious (talk) 14:15, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * https://people.com/all-about-jeezy-kids-7970678#:~:text=The%20artist%20(born%20Jay%20Jenkins,his%20ex%20Jeannie%20Mai%20Jenkins. 2601:408:C180:6A80:BDB1:D35E:2A98:F85A (talk) 01:45, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * There were no sources for 4 children, but, I'm one of his biggest fans, he only has 3, and if he has 4, he has never mentioned it, so IDK where someone would've gotten that info. Just like I had to prove a million times his birthday was September 28th, and you guys had October 12th for the longest. 2601:408:C180:6A80:BDB1:D35E:2A98:F85A (talk) 01:48, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Gun charge
The AK-47 charge was dismissed. Not mentioned in this entry.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/young-jeezy-cleared-of-gun-charges-195095/ Nicmart (talk) 13:36, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 November 2023
Jeezy has 3 children not 4. This has been started several times, and asked to be changed. Aren't you supposed to be a reputable site? He even just did an interview with Nia Long, and spoke about his THREE CHILDREN. He said his first born was a boy, and his other 2 were girls. 2601:408:C180:6A80:89B5:4A79:499E:57C0 (talk) 04:09, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2024
Change his origin from Hawkinsville, Georgia to Atlanta, Georgia, because is his biography he spent most of his childhood in atlanta and he's from there and put on for the city 2600:1700:1BFB:5010:6CA7:B20E:3B1F:A1E7 (talk) 21:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2024
Can you change his origin from hawkinsville to atlanta please? 2600:1700:1BFB:5010:2928:46C0:E189:D88E (talk) 20:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2024
He reps atlanta and has his entire career, plus he spent a big chunk of his childhood in atlanta which is stated is his early life… so i believe his origin should be atlanta instead of hawkinsville. 2600:1700:1BFB:5010:49A6:5EAF:B245:C1F0 (talk) 03:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2024
Jeezy spent a lot of his childhood in Atlanta, which is stated in his early life, plus the while city claims him, so would you change his origin from hawkinsville to atlanta? please 2600:1700:35E8:810:3DC3:4C47:508F:94FA (talk) 19:26, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2024
Jeezy is an Atlanta legend and spent a chunk of his childhood in Atlanta so would you please make his origin Atlanta. 107.223.24.248 (talk) 14:27, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2024 (2)
He’s an atlanta legend and he spent a chunk of his childhood in atlanta so will you please make that his origin. 107.223.24.248 (talk) 14:42, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction

The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction is a 2005 action-adventure video game developed by Radical Entertainment and published by Vivendi Universal Games (VU Games). The game is based on the Marvel Comics superhero the Hulk and showcases an open world with destructible environments. The narrative follows the Hulk as he is subconsciously influenced by his human alter-ego Bruce Banner and his psychotherapist Leonard Samson into assembling a device that will mend Banner's psyche and prevent the emergence of a darker personality. Aside from advancing the game's story, the player can engage in side missions and purchase new abilities for the Hulk to use.

Development of a sequel to Radical Entertainment's previous Hulk title was revealed when the developer and VU Games announced a partnership. The new game's direction was influenced by critical reactions to Hulk, which resulted in free-roaming gameplay that emphasized environmental destruction while omitting stealth elements. Marvel Comics veterans Paul Jenkins and Bryan Hitch were recruited to respectively create the game's story and provide the visual design.

The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction was positively received, with reviewers praising the visceral satisfaction of wielding the Hulk's powers in an open and destructible environment. The challenge level, controls, move set, character and effect animations, and audio were also commended. The missions and story received mixed responses, and the environments were criticized. The game was less commercially successful than Hulk, which was attributed to its lack of a film tie-in. However, it served as an influence on the subsequent Incredible Hulk title released in 2008, and it has been ranked among the best Marvel-based video games.

Gameplay
The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction is a third-person action-adventure game in which the player controls the Hulk, the super-powered alter-ego of scientist Bruce Banner. Influenced by hypnotic suggestions from Banner's psychotherapist Leonard Samson, the Hulk is tasked with gathering resources for a machine that will cure Banner of the infliction that causes his transformations into the Hulk. Between each story-based mission, the Hulk can freely explore the game's open world as well as engage in side missions such as playing rounds of golf with giant balls and clubs or carrying an ambulance to a hospital. His location in the world is tracked by a radar on the bottom-left corner of the screen, and a variety of icons on the radar indicate mission objectives; for example, a red fist indicates something that must be destroyed, while a blue shield indicates something that must be protected. Samson's base is indicated by a green house icon.

The Hulk is capable of jumping great distances, running up and along walls, and climbing, as well as a series of basic attacks and grapples to use against enemy characters. The Hulk can grab several objects and use them as weapons, such as wielding a lamppost as a club. Larger objects such as cars and tanks can be picked up and thrown to dispatch groups of enemies from a distance. The Hulk's health is represented by a bar on the upper-left corner of the screen, while a second bar below it increases whenever the Hulk takes damage or destroys property. When this bar is filled, the Hulk enters a "critical mass" state in which he is capable of his most powerful and devastating moves. However, using these moves depletes the bar, causing the Hulk to drop out of critical mass. When his health drops to a certain level, the Hulk will enter an "adrenaline surge" state similar to critical mass, in which he can use the same moves without depleting the critical mass bar.

If the Hulk causes wanton destruction during the free-roaming gameplay, the spokes of an "emergency response meter" on the upper-right corner of the screen will extend. When the meter's center lights up, a military strike team will be dispatched to combat the Hulk. Accomplishing missions, destroying property, and defeating enemies earn the Hulk "smash points", which can be used to purchase new moves at Samson's base. Such moves include new ways to weaponize objects, such as using two halves of a car as steel gloves, or using a flattened car as a shield. Each mission that is completed unlocks additional moves to purchase. Some moves have dependencies, and will not be available until the moves they are based on have been purchased. Hidden throughout the world are sixty collectible comic book covers from the Incredible Hulk series that unlock a variety of rewards, including artwork, skins, and cheats.

Plot
Scientist Bruce Banner has spent years in semi-isolation researching a potential cure for an affliction that transforms him into the Hulk when he is angered or stressed. He has created an experimental device intended to modify his subconscious and repair psychological damage inflicted upon him by childhood trauma, thus subduing the Hulk as well as another more menacing personality that is emerging within him. Working alongside psychotherapist Doctor Leonard Samson, Banner nearly completes the device, but military forces led by Emil Blonsky destroy his forest hideout. As Banner escapes in the form of the Hulk, Blonsky takes the device from the hideout's remains and is exposed to gamma rays. Banner regroups with Samson, who equips Banner with a device that implants post-hypnotic suggestions and artificially induces episodes of rage, allowing them a degree of control over the Hulk. Samson sends the Hulk on various errands into the city and the badlands, either to help construct the machine or to hinder Blonsky's ever-growing presence.

Meanwhile, Blonsky's superior General Thunderbolt Ross chastises him for overstepping his authority to secure a mysterious prisoner, "Mission Directive", in a secret military research facility known as the Vault. Following this argument, Blonsky transforms into a massive reptilian monster known as the Abomination and goes on a rampage until the Hulk arrives and defeats him. As the Hulk escapes, Blonsky returns to normal and claims to his men that the wreckage is the Hulk's doing. While retrieving fuel rods at a nuclear power plant, the Hulk encounters Blonsky's bodyguard Mercy. Upon her defeat, Mercy attempts to divulge the true nature of Mission Directive, but is killed when Blonsky orders an air strike on the plant. Although Banner escapes with his life, the stress of the situation takes its toll and his evil alter ego, the Devil Hulk, begins to emerge.

Under the Devil Hulk's influence, the Hulk destroys civilian buildings and kills many innocents under the illusion that Samson is ordering him to destroy military locations. Samson, fearing the threat of an out-of-control Hulk, lures the Hulk into a military test site, where Ross faces the Hulk in a gigantic Hulkbuster mech. When the Hulk emerges victorious, Samson renders the Hulk unconscious with his hypnotic device. Banner is taken to the Vault, where Blonsky prepares to peel open Banner's mind in search of the secret to controlling gamma-based transformations. The agony of Banner's interrogation draws out the Devil Hulk's power, and the Hulk breaks free. Blonsky transforms into the Abomination when the Hulk corners him, exposing his identity to Samson and the military. Blaming the Hulk for ruining his life, the Abomination flees the Vault, as does the Hulk. Banner confronts Samson for betraying him, but forgives him when Samson reveals that he used Banner's captivity as a diversion to secure a vital component of the machine. As Samson makes the final adjustments, the Hulk defends the base from Ross's forces. Using the finished machine to venture into his own psyche, Banner defeats and banishes the Devil Hulk.

Meanwhile, the Abomination breaks into the Vault to retrieve Mission Directive. The Hulk follows him, but discovers that Mission Directive is Blonsky's now-deceased wife Nadia and their unborn child; following Nadia's diagnosis of ovarian cancer, Blonsky exposed her to gamma radiation as part of a government program influenced by Banner's previous research. Blaming Banner for Nadia's death, the Abomination departs from the Vault and heads for the local dam, planning to destroy it and the city below. The Hulk and the military pursue the Abomination, but fail to prevent him from breaking the dam. As the Abomination disappears under the rushing current, the Hulk causes a landslide to stop the water and save the city. Despite this heroic act, Ross publicly blames the Hulk for the dam's destruction to cover his mistakes. Samson, lamenting this turn of events, offers his help again, but Banner turns him down, believing the world will never trust the Hulk, and he sets off on his own.

Development and release
VU Games and Radical Entertainment jointly announced a partnership in February 2004 under which Radical would create six license-based multi-platform games published by VU Games, including a sequel to Hulk tentatively titled The Hulk 2. The partnership was influenced by the commercial success of Hulk as well as The Simpsons: Hit & Run. Michael Pole, executive vice president of worldwide product development for VU Games, confirmed that The Hulk 2 would not be based on any theatrical production, and was slated for a mid-2005 release. Another working title, The Incredible Hulk, was revealed in December, as was its status as a free-roaming title. The final title was revealed by Marvel Studios in a webcast conference on March 7, 2005. Producer Vlad Ceraldi subsequently clarified that The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction would not be a sequel to Hulk, and would instead be an original story based on the comics. . The development team peaked at around 45-50 people.

The game's direction was based on reactions to the previous Hulk game; the development team built upon the game's feeling of controlling the Hulk's power, combat style, and environmental interaction, drawing from the tutorial level as a particular influence. The free-roaming element and the omission of Bruce Banner from the gameplay were based on negative responses to the previous game's limited corridor-based level design and stealth levels respectively. To achieve an authentic comic book experience, Radical collaborated with Marvel Comics veterans Paul Jenkins and Bryan Hitch, who were heavily involved in the game's development: Jenkins wrote the story, script, and in-game dialogue, and also provided suggestions for the gameplay, while Hitch provided visual design for the main characters, high-resolution concept art, and the box art.

Martin Bae, Eric Holmes, Mark James, and Chris Cudahy reprised their respective roles as art director, game designer, director, and lead programmer from Hulk. For the game's visuals, the team opted for a "hyper realistic" style rather than the cel shaded graphics of the previous game. According to Holmes, the game's irreverent side missions were created to break up the pace and intensity of the story, which Holmes described as "quite dark". The voice cast features Neal McDonough as Bruce Banner (reprising his role from the 1996 TV series), Ron Perlman as Emil Blonsky and the Abomination, and Richard Moll as the Devil Hulk. Other cast members include Daniel Riordan as Samson, Vanessa Marshall as Mercy, Dave Thomas as General Ross, and Michael Donovan as the Grey Hulk. The score was composed by Bill Brown and performed by the Los Angeles Orchestra. The game supports Dolby 5.1 for the Xbox and Dolby Pro Logic II and I for the PlayStation 2 and GameCube respectively. Additionally, the Xbox version supports 720p widescreen, and the PlayStation 2 version supports progressive scan. The latter feature was initially omitted from the GameCube version after Nintendo removed component video support from newly manufactured GameCube consoles in 2004. However, based on an overwhelming response by the gaming public to an article by IGN covering the decision, Radical later added both progressive scan and widescreen support to the GameCube version.

The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction went gold on August 5, 2005, and was released in North America on August 23. Those who pre-ordered the game received a limited edition reprint of The Incredible Hulk #1, with an exclusive cover by Jimmy Palmiotti, Amanda Conner, and Paul Mounts. The game was released in Europe on September 9.

Reception
The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction received "generally favorable" reviews on all platforms according to the review aggregation website Metacritic. Jeremy Dunham of IGN proclaimed it to be "the deepest, most accurate recreation of the Jade Giant that anybody could ever hope for", Tom Byron – writing for Electronic Gaming Monthly – considered it to be "quite possibly the best superhero game to date", and David Chapman of the Electric Playground described it as a "non-stop adrenaline buffet that reaches out, grabs the player's attention, and never lets go". Reviewers interpreted the game's free-roaming format as being influenced by Spider-Man 2, and enjoyed the visceral feeling of the combat and rampaging through the city. According to Michael Knutson of GameZone, the game "truly captures the essence of the Hulk comic books". Johnathan Metts of Nintendo World Report viewed it as "one of the most satisfying mayhem simulators I've ever played". John Davison of 1Up.com and Steven Hopper of GameZone respectively compared the feeling of the gameplay's destructive aspect to that of War of the Monsters and Rampage. The boss fights were considered a highlight, with Alex Navarro of GameSpot and Eduardo Vasconcellos of GameSpy respectively deeming them "consistently excellent" and "a true battle of titans". Dunham regarded the boss fights as "[his] favorite end-stage nemeses since God of War and DMC3"; both he and Matt Keller of PALGN particularly praised the fight against General Ross's Hulkbuster for its scale.

While critics were satisfied with the game's level of challenge, responses to the missions were mixed. Byron positively compared the game to God of War concerning the intensity of its later missions. Navarro was fond of missions based on "blowing everything up and punching the hell out of all manner of tank and anti-Hulk robot" but was frustrated by quests based around escorting, fetching items or pursuing targets. He also warned of "some annoying sections" caused by large and inopportune swarms of enemies, and Juba of Game Informer was likewise annoyed by the "never-ending salvos of missiles that frustrate your every attempt to do cool stuff". Metts felt that a few missions were complicated and lengthy, and noted that they lacked checkpoints in some cases. Contrariwise, Michael Lafferty of GameZone perceived the missions as "pretty short", and additionally dismissed the side missions as "too simplistic and detract[ing] from the story". Dunham wished for a more varied mission structure, arguing that it "essentially breaks down to finding various ways to destroy things that you can have just as much fun destroying on your own anyway". Vasconcellos cited the frequency of load times as a drawback. While Justin Leeper of G4 was content with the challenge provided by the enemies' artificial intelligence, Navarro claimed that it can "sometimes act up", observing that "some enemies, like the smaller Hulkbuster mechs, can be beaten extremely easily by a couple of specific attacks via a fairly cheap exploit. Other times, the enemies will be locked into specific attack patterns that cause them to get hung up on pieces of the scenery, or they otherwise become incapacitated".

Critics praised the controls as tight and intuitive, and lauded the expansive move set for providing a satisfactory amount of depth. Chapman was pleased by the game's "surprising amount of depth, courtesy of the Hulk's more advanced library of moves and combos". Navarro stated "There are literally dozens upon dozens of moves to unlock, and almost all of them are an absolute riot". He added that having Smash Points, which are used to purchase new moves, be earned by destroying the environment made the game feel rewarding as opposed to stingy. According to Dunham, the game's move set "makes Spider-Man 2 look like Super Mario Bros.". He extolled the game's move progression system, affirming that it "steadily transforms you from a mindless oversized pugilist into an unstoppable engine of destruction". Metts also applauded the game's "plethora of moves", but wished for a customizable button layout, as he felt that the default assignment for the jumping and punching buttons created an "unnecessary" learning curve. Juba argued that while the game has a large roster of moves, the story missions rarely required the player to use their full range of abilities. Ouroboros of GamePro observed that the same controls that give the Hulk a "bulky yet responsive" feel during the main gameplay felt "sluggish and unwieldy" during many of the side missions. Navarro criticized the camera as being somewhat obstinate.

Assessments of the visuals were somewhat positive. The model and animation for the Hulk were well received, as were those of the enemy characters and vehicles. The destruction effects were also admired. Dunham noted some "slight graphical issues" but was overall impressed with the game's engine and admired the "number of deformable objects, particle effects, and units onscreen at one time". Hopper enjoyed the destructible environments, feeling that they "buckle and smash realistically and look great", and was also pleased with the game forfeiting its predecessor's cel-shaded appearance, which he feels adds room for more detail and definition for the characters. Some critics were however disappointed in the game's environments, deeming them lacking in variety and detail;  while Ouroboros felt that the Hulk was "rendered and animated beautifully, with loving attention to detail", he dismissed both the city and badlands as feeling nondescript. Although Keller praised the city's draw distance, the debris and destruction effects as well as the modelling and animation for the Hulk and his larger foes, he added that "many of the smaller components of the game - namely cars and civilians, look rather crap". The frame rate, while considered solid and consistent, was found to experience occasional slowdown during more chaotic moments, particularly on the GameCube version.

The game's audio was commended for its sound design, music, and voice-acting. Metts declared that the game had "some of the best sound effects [he] heard in any game". Duke Ferris of GameRevolution enjoyed hearing the "satisfying smashes and crashes and roars of rage, not to mention the screams of the panicked populace". Davison praised Bill Brown for his work, which he described as "rousing and dramatic". Keller declared that the tracks Brown provided to the game "give off a great feeling and suit the action to a T". Leeper was less enthusiastic of the music, feeling that it "doesn't quite reach the level of intensity of the gameplay". Vasconcellos regarded the voice cast as "top-notch", specifically giving praise to McDonough for his portrayal of Bruce Banner. Knutson also admired the voice cast, stating "Every single actor did a wonderful job portraying the character that they were chosen to act out, and it fits really well with this game". Ouroboros was surprised by the liveliness of the voice-acting, although perplexed by the Hulk's lack of verbal expression during gameplay.

Reactions to the narrative were mixed. Keller claimed the game had "a solid narrative and good presentation". Chapman found it surprisingly deep, noting that it was "filled with drama, intrigue, betrayal, conspiracies, and oh yeah... lots and lots of destruction". Metts regarded the story as intelligently crafted, citing that it "manages to bring in some interesting support characters while, more importantly, providing some variety in Hulk's objectives". Dunham stated that the game had a "strong storyline", giving credit to Paul Jenkins for his "writing talents". He however felt that it was hampered by the game shifting "back and forth between the occasional cool CG cutscenes and several overly bland dialogue screens". Other reviewers were unimpressed. Davison regarded the story as "typical comic book fare", and felt that while it would certainly appeal to "hardcore fans [of the Hulk]", casual players "will pay little heed". Lafferty and Juba respectively found it to be "somewhat predictable" and "paper-thin". Leeper's assessment was especially dismissive, deeming the story "laughable even by fan-fiction standards".

Awards and nominations
The game was nominated for Action/Adventure Game of the Year at the 9th Annual Interactive Achievement Awards, but lost to God of War. It was also nominated for Outstanding Control Design and Outstanding Action Game (Sequel) in the 2005 NAVGTR Awards, but lost to Guitar Hero and Battlefield 2 respectively. In the 32nd Saturn Awards, it was nominated for Best Video Game Release (Science Fiction), but lost to Star Wars: Battlefront II.

Legacy
According to Marvel executive Justin Lambros, The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction sold fewer copies than its predecessor due to its lack of a film tie-in. However, Lambros regarded it as the superior game, and its gameplay influenced the direction of the subsequent Hulk-based title The Incredible Hulk, which was based on the 2008 film of the same name. It additionally influenced the gameplay of Radical Entertainment's later title Prototype, as well as the open world setting of DC Universe Online. The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction has been ranked among the best Marvel-based video games, as well as one of the best superhero-based video games.

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ref for earlier anon edit. Alf 18:47, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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I'm not sure it's wholly accurate to say that Aidôs is the equivalent of Pudicitia in the sense that, say, Minerva is the equivalent of Athena; without actual myths, they can be equated only to the degree their concepts can be equated, and they aren't at all the same. Aidôs is a vastly broader concept, the feeling of 'shame at doing wrong', more or less the conscience; pudicitia is tremendously narrower, really only referring to proper sexual conduct. (And 'chastity' is a far better translation than 'modesty', BTW.)

There are other problems with this article (the discussion of the univira thing rather distorts the actual Roman view on the matter) but I don't have time to fix it now. Vultur (talk) 13:35, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Pudicitia vs Pudicity
Whenever I read about pudicitia in a modern book about Roman custom, the author will invariably speak about the nuances as as particular to Roman culture and lost to history. However, the English word for pudicitia is "pudicity", and the virtue continued to play a role in Western Christian culture for centuries. It continued to be a common word through the 19th century. Indeed, it played a part in the penal code. For example, the 1825 Louisiana penal code mentions "assault aggravated by injury to pudicity." Medical texts of the same period discuss protecting a woman's pudicity.

Though today we have a tendency to modesty and chastity with pudicity, it was until recently recognized as a slightly different concept. Only the person in question could injure their own modesty or chastity, while others could injure their pudicity.

This is largely an unexplored topic -- but the question to me is whether the text here should be taken out of specifically only the Roman context and expanded into a broader context. Brianshapiro (talk) 03:11, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

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ref for earlier anon edit. Alf 18:51, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Removed "Merge" template
No discussion was opened in conjunction with what I see as a frivolous merge proposal, so I removed the template. The article makes it as plain as can be that Spes and Elpis were conceptually quite different in their respective cultures, and that Spes was cultivated as a deity in the Republican era at Rome and as a part of the Imperial cult of Virtues. There is also a specifically Roman archaeology of Spes. Elpis is a problematic part of the Pandora myth, and perversely connected to the pessimism that is considered characteristic of Greek culture in the Archaic period ("better never to have been born at all" and so on). I really see no benefit in conflating the two. The section noting that the equivalent concept is Elpis could of course do more to indicate what I would assume to be the conflation of the two in the classical tradition, which no doubt occurred under the name of Spes in medieval and Renaissance mythography and allegory. Cynwolfe (talk) 14:10, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

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WOSU-TV

WOSU-TV (channel 34) is a PBS member television station in Columbus, Ohio, United States. Owned by Ohio State University as part of WOSU Public Media, it is sister to public radio stations WOSU-FM (89.7) and WOSA (101.1 FM). The three stations share studios on North Pearl Street near the OSU campus; WOSU-TV's transmitter is located on Highland Lakes Avenue in Westerville, Ohio.

WOSU-TV began broadcasting on February 20, 1956, though Ohio State University had pushed to start an educational television station as early as 1951. It initially engaged in the broadcast of programs for schools and college students as well as programming from National Educational Television, forerunner to PBS. As the first UHF station in the market, many households could not receive channel 34 when it launched; a major step forward for the station was its 1968 telecast of a highly anticipated football game between Ohio State and Michigan, leading many to go out and buy all-channel television sets or converters. Channel 34 continued to telecast live football games on a viewer-supported basis through 1971, after which the NCAA prevented the station from continuing with the practice.

In the early 1970s, WOSU-TV moved from its original studios into the Fawcett Center for Tomorrow on the OSU campus, from its original tower to its present site in Westerville, and into Portsmouth with the launch of rebroadcaster WPBO (channel 42), which broadcast from 1973 to 2017. In the 1980s, Ohio State's public broadcasting operation was the subject of internal and external reviews that found deficiencies in management, ethics, and television programming; the university placed the WOSU stations under academic supervision, where they remained through the 1990s and were frequently subject to budget cuts.

WOSU was Central Ohio's first TV station to use a digital signal to broadcast multiple channels of programming. In 2006, it opened a second studio inside the COSI museum in downtown Columbus. This closed in 2021 when the university opened a new headquarters for the WOSU Public Media stations adjacent to the OSU campus. WOSU produces programs covering Central Ohio politics, arts and culture, and communities.

Early years
The Ohio State University (OSU) had expressed interest in educational television as early as 1951. That year, it petitioned the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to move channel 12 to Columbus for use as an educational channel and made an application for a new station on the channel. The FCC denied the proposal because it would have had to delete channels from three other cities, including Indianapolis and Huntington, West Virginia; this left OSU to use the previously assigned channel 34 in the new ultra high frequency (UHF) band. In spite of being forced to UHF, the university chose to press forward with its plans for educational TV, needing to start over with its preparation of engineering data for the application. The application was nearly ready by January 1953, the university having waited so that it did not buy equipment that immediately became obsolete with advancements in UHF technology; OSU had identified a location on its farm, on the west side of the Olentangy River, for a studio site. It was formally filed on February 18, 1953, and approved by the FCC on April 22.

While Keith Tyler, a WOSU leader, expected the university to move quickly on establishing the station, administration took a slower tack; this frustrated Tyler, who saw the university slipping behind Michigan State University and the University of Wisconsin in setting up educational television. OSU approved a contract for tower construction on the corner of Star Road and Lane Avenue in February 1954, and the television studio on the site broke ground that December. In September 1955, channel 34 broadcast its first test pattern, which soon expanded to include the occasional broadcast of programs. The station officially began broadcasting on February 20, 1956, becoming the 19th noncommercial educational TV station on air. Its first day on air included a film program showing scenes of the OSU campus and a performance by its symphonic choir.

By 1958, WOSU-TV operated for about 30 hours a week, nearly half of that output consisting of live programs from the studio or remote locations. A local children's show, Five and Ten, was among channel 34's early successes; another offering, the German Hour, was a carry-over from a popular WOSU radio program. Its educational offerings ranged from remedial college-level math to driver's education courses. The general audience was limited by the fact that most sets of the time did not come equipped to tune the UHF band; the university estimated only about 2,000 Columbus-area homes could watch. When it signed on for the first time, one potential viewer called to say it was impossible that WOSU-TV was broadcasting on channel 34 when their TV dial stopped at 13; station management treasured comments from viewers, since they proved that there were viewers beyond students in classrooms. In 1959, the station acquired the first video tape recorder in Columbus; its studios grew cramped, with the men's restroom doubling as an office and a small house being built nearby to alleviate the crowded conditions. Its educational programs supported not only the university but public schools and the Midwest Program on Airborne Television Instruction.

Football on 34
From before channel 34 signed on, officials anticipated using it as a telecasting outlet for the popular Ohio State Buckeyes football team. In 1955, George E. Condon of the Cleveland Plain Dealer asked what might motivate households to take notice of channel 34 and convert their VHF-only sets to receive the area's first UHF station. He remarked, "Down deep, most people here feel Big Ten football will be the big answer." In the late 1950s, the station began taping football games with a tape recorder installed in a converted passenger bus, known by staff as "The Wire" and as an unreliable setup.

Shortly after it signed on in 1956, station management was hopeful that the NCAA would grant approval to televise home football games. Prior to the 1957 season, the NCAA revised restrictions on college football telecasts, at the behest of several state legislatures, to permit the telecast of home games on a noncommercial basis by "the home college's institutionally owned educational television station". Channel 34 finally got its chance in 1968, when the station received NCAA approval to telecast the sold-out Michigan–Ohio State game. The broadcast was the station's first local production in color, using a unit from New York. The broadcast, organized at the last minute and produced by ABC Sports, was announced by the station's program director and the general manager of WOSU; the Buckeyes won the game en route to a national championship. It stimulated the sale of all-channel sets and UHF converters as fans flocked to buy the necessary equipment to see the highly anticipated matchup. Channel 34 broadcast multiple sold-out OSU home football games in 1969, 1970, and 1971, conditional on public support to front the costs of renting equipment. Even though the team sold out all its home games in 1972, the NCAA no longer allowed WOSU-TV to air games live. Citing the station's increased distribution on cable systems well outside its broadcast coverage area, it declined to allow the station to air further telecasts and thus hurt attendance at colleges in areas as distant as Sandusky, Portsmouth, Xenia, and Zanesville. From 1978 to 1990, the station offered tape-delayed football broadcasts, which included the Ohio State Marching Band's pregame and halftime routines.

New tower, new studios, and Portsmouth expansion
In 1967, Nationwide Communications, the broadcasting division of Columbus-based Nationwide Mutual Insurance Company, obtained a construction permit to build a new UHF TV station in the city. It proposed a tower near Westerville, which was initially vociferously opposed by the university because it feared disruption to the operations of its radio astronomy observatory. Nationwide and the university reached an agreement to share the tower, which also faced opposition from residents and the Genoa Township zoning board. However, the zoning board's 2–1 vote against the tower was not unanimous, as was required to prevent the rezoning of the site. In 1971, WOSU-TV received federal funding to help acquire local color cameras and build the Westerville tower, which was completed in January 1973.

Beyond football and a new tower, the 1970s were a busy decade for the new station. In May 1970, Ohio State University shut down after the Kent State shootings in northeast Ohio; this included the temporary closure of the WOSU radio and television stations. At the time, WOSU television was still at the research farm, far enough from campus that it was joked that students could not find WOSU-TV if they tried. The WOSU stations moved to the newly built Center for Tomorrow in August 1971, uniting WOSU radio and television under one roof for the first time; the previous site became the home of the Ohio Educational Television Network Commission. The Fawcett Center facility had been intended for three television studios but was scaled back to two due to financial constraints. The Network Commission used the site as the hub of its statewide distribution system for educational television broadcasts over WOSU-TV and other stations. Friends of WOSU, a local fundraising group, was established in 1973 to provide additional financial support during a time when it appeared the Nixon administration would reduce public broadcasting funding; in 1978, it established an endowment whose value grew from an initial $100,000 to $5.4 million by 2018. Meanwhile, the station's role in providing televised instruction diminished during this time.

In addition to providing programming, the Network Commission built additional transmitters to extend educational television service to previously unserved portions of Ohio. One of these rebroadcast WOSU-TV: WPBO (channel 42) in Portsmouth, to the south of Columbus. WPBO began broadcasting on October 1, 1973, from a transmitter was located on Peach Orchard Hill. The station was built by and originally licensed to the Network Commission; its license was transferred to OSU in 1978.

In the late 1970s, WOSU's unconventional programming philosophy helped it become one of the fastest-growing PBS stations in the country in total viewership with frequent runs of such shows as Doctor Who, All Creatures Great and Small (1978 TV series), and The Twilight Zone (1959 TV series). This came in spite of the station's chief local programming effort of the time, Ohio Journal, being canceled after five years in 1980 due to insufficient state funding. The scheduling practice ended in 1981 when the station instead bought all of PBS's programs in a bundle to save money, requiring it to discontinue some of the series.

WOSU in the 1980s and 1990s
In 1983, the high school quiz show In the Know moved from WBNS-TV to WOSU-TV, becoming a long-running staple of channel 34. On its new outlet, it was hosted by Bill Schiffman, a professional accountant who had previously hosted WOSU-TV pledge drives; OSU began providing scholarships to students who made the quarterfinals. Following the pattern of other public TV stations across the nation, the station held its first televised auction in 1984; the auction routinely brought in between $150,000 and $300,000 for channel 34's operations and continued through 2008. The station began broadcasting stereo sound in 1986, making it the second local outlet to do so after WCMH-TV.

Until this time, the WOSU stations were supervised by Ohio State University president's office. After negative attention around irregularities with the 1986 edition of the station's auction, leading station representatives to admit they had placed bids on slow-moving auction items in hopes of getting them to sell, president Edward H. Jennings ordered internal and external reviews of the station. The process was lengthy; portions of the internal review leaked to The Lantern, Ohio State's student newspaper, and the Cleveland Plain Dealer. First to be completed was the internal review. The external review, conducted by public broadcasters from other states, stated,

"Although there are vague mentions of aspirations to excellence, the administration of the University does not seem to have a clear idea of why the institution is in the broadcasting business and what would constitute excellence for WOSU."

The reviews identified a myriad of issues in the operation of the WOSU stations. There were ethics lapses; the Ohio Department of Development paid for coverage of its activities, WOSU-TV aired a program on hog farming produced by the pork industry, and it aired a series paid for by a local health system. University administrative decisions came under fire, such as directives to air OSU football rebroadcasts and the 1987 memorial service for football coach Woody Hayes. The stations were seen as avoiding controversial community issues in their news coverage and discouraging journalists from doing so in order not to offend potential donors. Workplace conditions were characterized by pervasive "paralysis and paranoia", low salaries and staff morale, aging equipment, and a "mysterious" chain of command to the rest of the university. WOSU-TV came in for special criticism in the external review, which called its output "basic at best" and noted that channel 34's operation evinced the radio-first nature of WOSU.

When the review process culminated in 1990, a strategic plan was drafted for the WOSU stations, which were placed under the College of Social and Behavioral Sciences, the OSU academic unit that included programs in journalism and communication. The implementation of the strategic plan was adversely affected by Jennings's departure that same year, and the station became a neglected component of the college and the primary destination of its budget cuts during university-wide spending reductions in the early 1990s.

In 1992, in response to state-mandated cuts, Jennings's successor, Gordon Gee, mentioned possibly eliminating the WOSU stations. By that time, the public provided 40 percent of support for the stations and the university 20 percent; in the period from 1980 to 1996, OSU support remained flat as community funding increased. During this time, there was some discussion as to whether WOSU was best transferred from the university to a community licensee. This resulted in a study that found the value of WOSU's airtime to the university to exceed $2 million a year. At this time, under the prodding of OSU dean Randall Ripley, the station produced more programming reflective of OSU, such as CsurisVision, a documentary on computer artist Chuck Csuri, and programs for the university's 125th anniversary. The College of Social and Behavioral Sciences continued to supervise the stations until 2001, when they were placed under the vice president of university relations.

Digitalization, new headquarters, and repack
In 2006, WOSU opened a second studio and facility inside the COSI museum in Columbus, known as WOSU@COSI, complementing the Fawcett Center; a $1.6 million gift from the Battelle Memorial Institute, the largest in station history to that time, helped fund construction and an endowment. In addition to radio and television studios, the 12000 ft2 digital media center contained two interactive exhibits. The arrangement was also useful to COSI, which was facing declining attendance and seeking partners to share in its high utility costs in its new Broad Street building.

WOSU began broadcasting a digital signal in January 2004 and was the first TV station in Central Ohio to broadcast multiple programs on its digital transmitter. In addition to a simulcast of channel 34's main programming, WOSU-DT offered subchannels of PBS Kids programs, education and learning programs, and Ohio and public affairs programs during the day, which closed at night to allow a high-definition broadcast. In order to make the move to digital, the station launched a three-year capital campaign, the first in the history of WOSU broadcasting, to support the new studio and transmission equipment necessary for the conversion. WOSU and WPBO ceased analog broadcasting on March 31, 2009, to save on electrical costs for maintaining both analog and digital signals through the June 12 transition date.

Ohio State University announced on March 3, 2017, that it had sold the license for WPBO for $8.8 million in the FCC's spectrum auction. WOSU general manager Tom Rieland told The Columbus Dispatch that Portsmouth had "incredible duplication of PBS signals"; he cited high cable penetration and the availability of WOUB-TV in Athens as well as transmitters of Kentucky Educational Television and West Virginia Public Broadcasting. Parts of its coverage area also overlapped with WOSU-TV itself and WCET in Cincinnati. WPBO ceased operations October 25, 2017; its license was cancelled two days later. The spectrum auction was followed by a repack that saw WOSU move from channel 38 to channel 16 in 2020.

In 2015, the partnership with COSI began to end with the realization that WOSU had outgrown its space at the Fawcett Center and wanted to continue to engage the community through a public space. A new studio building was included in plans by Campus Partners, OSU's development arm, to construct a new development known as University Square at 15th Street and High Avenue adjacent to the campus, and the station launched a second capital campaign in 2018. The facility opened in 2021; it reunited the broadcasting stations' operations, which had been split between the COSI studio for television and Fawcett Center for administrative staff and radio, and offered 53000 ft2 for WOSU radio and television. The facility was financed by a second capital campaign as well as $7.8 million of the $8.8 million OSU earned from selling WPBO-TV's spectrum.

Funding
In fiscal year 2022, WOSU-TV had a total revenue of more than $11.8 million. The station was provided a Community Service Grant totaling $1.46 million by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and $972,000 in appropriations by OSU, as well as $1.9 million in revenue from its endowment. It had 24,170 members, who donated a total of $3.71 million.

Local programming
WOSU-TV's local programming primarily covers the Columbus area, including arts and culture magazine Broad & High and Columbus on the Record, a weekly political program. In 2010, the station debuted Columbus Neighborhoods, a series of historical documentaries focusing on one part of the city of Columbus. Originally designed for the city's bicentennial, the station turned the series into a running program in 2013.

Subchannels
The station's signal is multiplexed:

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User talk:Researcher99/Archive01

''In order to provide a coherent record of what happened to the anti-polygamy article I tried to create, I have put all the deleted content into this page. It is now archived here by itself. This page is broken into three sections. The first is the last edition of the anti-polygamy article before it was deleted. The second is the corresponding TALK page that was also deleted. The third is the the suspicious VfD that caused the deletion.'' Researcher 18:34, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Anti-Polygamy Article, Talk, and VfD ARCHIVED

=Anti-polygamy (article)= (The original article before deleted on 21:19, 22 July 2005)

Polygamy vs. Anti-Polygamy
Polygamy is the practice of marriage to more than one spouse simultaneously (as opposed to monogamy where each person has only one spouse at a time).

While polygamy is a neutral anthropological term, anti-polygamy is a non-neutral agenda and debate. Individuals who are convinced of their opposition to polygamy, employ and even use tactics of the anti-polygamy agenda.

While polygamy (or, more specifically, bigamy) is illegal in some places, it is not in others. Wherever legal or not, the clash between polygamy supporters and opponents is the anti-polygamy debate.

Tactics
In arguing the anti-polygamy position, anti-polygamists frequently associate other issues with polygamy. They will claim that polygamy involves any number of the following other issues:

 * arranged marriages,
 * underage marriages,
 * assertions of lust-crazed men,
 * assertions of tyrannical men, and
 * using language like "escaped from polygamy."

When surfing the internet, anti-polygamists will often seek out polygamy chats or forums. They will pretend to be "pro-polygamists" and attempt to bait polygamists into saying things that the anti-polygamists may later use to argue for their agenda. (Polygamists have responded by creating an internet pro-polygamy passport system by which pro-polygamists may verify their actual support.)

Anti-polygamy web-sites will attempt to "report" news about polygamy, always using the worst case stories, and never reporting any good news about polygamists.

When polygamy-related stories involving any form of other abuse arise, anti-polygamists always refuse the assistance of pro-polygamous groups and individuals who reach out to to work together to fight the abuses.

The Debate
In the anti-polygamy debate, sites such as the Utah-groups of Tapestry Against Polygamy and Help the Child Brides assert that polygamists do all other kinds of criminal activities. Polygamists defend themselves against such assertions with sites such as Tapestry of Anti-Polygamy, saying that polygamy is a separate term, distinct from such other side issues.

When a Utah author wrote an anti-polygamy book, called "God's Brothel," implying that polygamous women are treated as prostitutes, polygamists responded with the web-site, GodsBrothel.com, saying that 18 anecdotal bad examples do not represent all forms of polygamists.

Starting this new wiki
Because the polygamy wiki has been affected by anti-polygamists, it was necessary to create this new wiki for anti-polygamy.

The two concepts are different and should remain separated. Clearly, polygamy is a neutral term, whereas anti-polygamy is an agenda and a debate.

Because of these separate distinctions, anyone seeking to post anti-polygamy concepts (or the debate thereof) should only do so in this anti-polygamy wiki. Likewise, issues related to polygamy should be posted there instead.

But the two distinctly separate matters must be separated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Researcher99 (talk • contribs) 18:15, June 30, 2005

 * This is seriously POV: I've reworded the intro, and added an NPOV header. -- The Anome July 1, 2005 17:13 (UTC)

 * The only "serious POV" going on here is, unfortunately, coming from the outed anti-polygamists seeking to distort this new wiki. The working-together of anti-polygamists of The Anome and  Nereocystis and the timeline of their actions together have been noted in the polygamy TALK page in the lengthy post of 16:11, 8 July 2005.  Changing the name of this wiki and removing the original introduction (Polygamy vs. Anti-polygamy) section of this new anti-polygamy wiki clearly obfuscate the demonstrated purpose of this wiki.  The original version of this new wiki being brought back so that its clarity really can be understood.  The fact is obvious to NPOV brains:  polygamy is a neutral anthropoligical term, while anti-polygamy is an agenda and debate.  Only anti-polygamists seeking to distort the neutral meaning of polygamy would try to suggest otherwise. For true NPOV and clarity, the title and inroduction section must remain. - Researcher 8 July 2005 18:14 (UTC)

I don't understand this article. Is there any value to the article at all. I'm tempted to think that it should be deleted. It is extremely POV and mostly incoherent. Nereocystis 1 July 2005 17:16 (UTC)

 * For all readers: only an anti-polygamist trying to distort the neutral meaning of polygamy with their hostile anti-polygamy POV would try to make such a suggestion.  As shown in multiple posts of evidence on the polygamy wiki TALK page, Nereocystis has been outed as a clear hostile POV anti-polygamist. - Researcher 8 July 2005 18:14 (UTC)

The pro-polygamy passport is a $5/month fee for an email address. I want to see documentation for statements such as:

 * When polygamy-related stories involving any form of other abuse arise, anti-polygamists always refuse the assistance of pro-polygamous groups and individuals who reach out to to work together to fight the abuses. (Thread-cited by Nereocystis 1 July 2005 17:22 (UTC))

 * For all readers: this attempted obfuscation is easily answered.
 * * From Anti-Polygamy.org
 * * From ChristianPolygamy.INFO See: Anti-Polygamy (but actually only Anti-Mormon) section there.
 * Researcher 8 July 2005 19:04 (UTC)

 * Anti-polygamy web-sites will attempt to "report" news about polygamy, always using the worst case stories, and never reporting any good news about polygamists. (Thread-cited by Nereocystis 1 July 2005 17:22 (UTC))

 * For all readers: this attempted obfuscation is also easily answered.
 * Has anyone ever heard from any anti-polygamy source that polygamists view Tom Green as the "Polygamy Tim McVeigh?" That has been a fact for years. For example,
 * * From TruthBearer.org
 * * From Pro-Polygamy.com
 * How many anti-polygamy sites have reported polygamists are opposed to underage marriage? For example,
 * * Another From Pro-Polygamy.com
 * * Another From TruthBearer.org
 * * A newspaper-published op-ed from TruthBearer.org, but purposely ignored by all anti-polygamists
 * Additionally, every anti-polygamy oriented site goes out of its way to deliberately not mention such positive polygamy web-sites, news, or organization. (One should always ask, if a site like Pro-Polygamy.com is credible enough for the Wall Street Journal, why isn't it even mentioned by anti-polygamists?  The answer is clearly because the positivity of such sites (etc) would detract from the anti-polygamists' agenda.  No matter how much the pro-polygamists seek to advance and demonstrate what they really believe, all the anti-polygamy sites deliberately report only that which they believe advances their anti-polygamy agenda. It is not rocket science here to realize tat fact. - Researcher 8 July 2005 19:04 (UTC)

No I haven't seen most of this. But the claim is that anti-polygamists always do this or that. If you define your terms carefully, then an anti-polygamist is someone who always refuses help from polygamists. This is fine unless you need to prove that anti-polygamists actually exist. I guess that I am no longer an anti-polygamist, by Researcher99's standards, since I sometimes say positive things about polygamists. That's a relief for me, since I didn't think that I was an anti-polygamist. Removing the word "always" probably won't change my mind on the relevance of this article. Nereocystis 8 July 2005 19:22 (UTC)

 * Nereocystis has long been outed as a Sneaky Vandal on the Polygamy TALK pages. That is, Nereocystis uses one of the common anti-polygamy tactics of pretending to be "pro-polygamy" in order to claim a fake credibility for then implementing their anti-polygamy deceptions.  Nereocystis knows this, having seen it posted and subsequently archived on the Polygamy TALK pages that "Polygamy Imposters" - Anti-Polygamists Often Pretend to be "Pro-Polygamy".  This new deceptive obfuscation is not a surprise though, given that  Nereocystis has also been caught outright lying. Researcher 13:55, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

=Anti-Polygamy (VfD)= The "Vote for Deletion" that was suspiciously started by Spatfield on July 9, 2005 and later deleted on 21:19, 22 July 2005.)

This call was Suspiciously made
LOGGED: Votes_for_deletion/Log/2005_July_9#This_call_was_Suspiciously_made

Before voting, readers are asked to please read the chronology,

Nereocystis acted recklessly aggressive - 2 Examples of Proof.

That comprehensive post also includes a relevant subsection titled,

Suspicious "Spatfield" called for "Vote for Deletion" of Anti-polygamy article.

(For just one quick proof of why "Spatfield" is suspect, see here.)

Also, before voting, please read the subsections at the bottom of this page here too.

Through it all, please also keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a majoritarian democracy. Just because more anti-polygamists are willing to cast their votes to delete because of biased anti-polygamy POV, that does not mean that their votes really address the issue or properly serve Wikipedia.

Researcher 02:18, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Anti-polygamy
LOGGED: Votes_for_deletion/Log/2005_July_9#Anti-polygamy

I find this article to be POV and it's very premise is non-sensical to me, Anti-polygamy does not sound like a good title for a "debate" on polygamy. Furthermore, no other pages currently link to it. spatfield July 9, 2005 16:48 (UTC)

An older version of Polygamy has a link to anti-polygamy. I deleted the link for the reasons mentioned here. Nereocystis 17:35, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete; I would have said merge with polygamy, except that the article really says nothing at all so there wouldn't be any point. Dcarrano July 9, 2005 18:02 (UTC)
 * Delete. Concur with Dcarrano. Fernando Rizo 9 July 2005 18:06 (UTC)
 * Delete, concur with above. --Scimitar 9 July 2005 18:07 (UTC)
 * Delete. Well said, Dcarrano. --Idont Havaname 20:26, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, a redirect to polygamy probably wouldn't hurt --Tothebarricades 23:05, July 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - (im copying Idont Havaname in congratulating Dcarrano on his well-putness) -mysekurity 05:29, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge anything appropriate to polygamy (if not redundant) and redirect. Essentially pro-monogamists would be anti-polygamy but I do not think there is a difference, like the apparent difference between non-monogamous and anti-monogamous (but that's another can of worms I am not qualified to handle) - Skysmith 12:35, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as neologism. "Anti-polygamy" doesn't add anything to "anti-" and "polygamy", except an article restricted to one side of a debate. Peter Grey 14:09, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Kept. According to Wikipedia, this article does not even qualify for being up for a Deletion vote.  If one does not know the issue, they are (as the above Wikipedia link calls most of the voters here) voting on something which, "involves a topic of which {they} are ignorant".  As explained in the segment below, the anti-polygamy article is open to both sides of the debate for true NPOV.  It frees up the neutral anthropological polygamy article from the repeatad anti-polygamy agenda and POV.  Actually, it is the vast amounts of one-sided POV anti-polygamy arguments that get added to the polygamy article frequently which do not actually inform the user about polygamy, they are the edits which do not actually apply to the the polygamy page, yet would more appropriately apply in a two-sided agenda/debate anti-polygamy article.  Instead of this profoundly hasty call for voting for deletion from a visibly hostile POV, voters should be, as Wikipedia explains, "If you can improve the article instead, do so."  Voters here have not even attempted that Wikipedia-directed option based on their own biased POV.  There is no fair basis for calling or voting for this page to be deleted.  Doing so is only biased POV.  This anti-polygamy article should be left alone, and any informed Wikipedians should follow Wikipedia's guidelines to simply build upon it instead of seeking to destroy it. Researcher 14:30, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: I suggest allowing another week for the vote. Today, I placed a comment about this VfD on the polygamy page.  I don't expect many more votes, but there are likely to be a few.  I don't expect a change in the result, either, but I do want to allow a fair vote.  I don't want Researcher99 to feel any more oppressed than he already feels.  Nereocystis 17:50, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * To my great frustaration, Nereocystis is caught here lying yet again. What they have just said here is simply not true, and they know it. Nereocystis is totally out to oppress as shown in this post they made on 19:12, 18 July 2005 and I pointed out their extreme aggressiveness this very day in my subsequent post 19:42, 18 July 2005. Not only was Nereocystis caught lying in those other posts, but they are clearly lying here too about their supposed concern for the oppression they are doing against me and their supposed desire for anything "fair."  It is my hope that people will not further assist Nereocystis's hostile anti-polygamy POV and agenda.  The current dispute with that anti-polygamist should not be exploited to hastily delete the anti-polygamy article.  That article was offered as an NPOV solution to end the abuse and solve that other dispute.  (See the other section here about that.)  So deleting the article interferes with a possible resolution of that dispute. If the anti-polygamy article does get deleted because of such false exploitation, there will be nothing "fair" about that whatsoever. Despite their little game of suggesting an "extention" of the vote another week, and the admission of expecting no more votes to change the current vote-tally to "Kept," the revealed lie in the linked-posts also reveals how aggressive they plan to be to exploit that deletion in furthering their abuse.  So, Nereocystis knows there is nothing really "fair" about deleting this article at all and that they have no desire to stop oppressing me or stop preventing all my obviously-valid edits. To say otherwise is clearly just another lie.  It is my hope that the abuse will come to an end and that valid posts can once again be made to the polygamy and anti-polygamy articles in Wikipedia. Researcher 20:25, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete, this article was created out of spite and frustration (edit wars and reverts notwithstanding), and is contrary to the Wikipedia mission. StopTheFiling 20:49, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with the polygamy article. I agree with Researcher99 that this topic should be covered, but we cannot have an "anti-x" article for every "x" article. Perhaps later if the anti-polygamy section were to grow significantly it would merit its own place on Wikipedia, but for now I think that this is practically a stub. Explodicle 01:11, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your input. The article is a brand-new work-in-progress.  Only one day after the article was originally created, hostile anti-polygamist Nereocystis made a post on the anti-polygamy TALK page there hinting for someone to call for it to be deleted.  This call for deletion was way too quickly and suspiciously made.  Regarding size of the article, it could very easily and quickly be filled up to a large article.  If anti-polygamists would spend their time building up the anti-article instead of craftily trying to hide their agenda by trying to destroy it, they could quickly help it reach that size.  Pro-polygamy responses would then further add to its size.  (Plus, the current polygamy article so already too large.  When you try to edit that whole polygamy article, the red-font warning tells you it is alrady too large.  So, the time really is now to make that separation to the anti-polygamy article. Researcher 02:32, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Nereocystis himself called for the extension on the vote - do you think further extension would be a fair compromise? I would change my vote to "keep" if this were a bit more in-depth and fit in better alongside the main article, and from what you say, all that needs is time and effort. In the meantime, I don't think we have consensus to resolve the issue. Explodicle 04:18, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

 * I very much appreciate your input, Explodicle. Actually, Nereocystis is not being honest about that.   It is one of their tactics, much like a politician smelling possible victory (such as with likeminded anti-polygamists voting their way), trying to come out in front of the final result and pretending to be gracious, when they certainly do not mean it.  A couple months ago, I had had to "out" Nereocystis as the anti-polygamist they are.  At that time, they were pretending to be "pro-polygamist" as they were committing sneaky vandalisms to actually destroy the polygamy article.  They also frequently make obfuscatory claims that are obviously untrue, as seen here where they claimed that a clearly obvious NPOV statement is somehow POV.  regarding enlargement, I would be glad to enlarge the anti-polygamy article.  But Nereocystis aggressively removed the link to anti-polygamy from the polygamy article a day after its creation, so no one else knows it exists in order to build it further.  When I tried to restore the link, the rv'ed it again.  Lately, Nereocystis  has been plotting daily with new ways to destroy the polygamy article, so much so and are not giving me a chance to even catch my breath.  Lastly, there are some things on the currently too-large polygamy atricle that could be moved to the anti-polygamy article.  But considering that Nereocystis rv's every edit I make, no matter what, I can only expect to see my edits to build up the anti-polygamy article rv'ed too.  As shown at the top of this page here, the very call for this "Vote for Deletion" is, itself, highly suspect.   That suspect person who created this call for VfD has not posted anything in Wikipedia since last year.  All of a sudden they make this call for VfD and only this call?  Very suspect.  So, with all that, I do not really believe that any extension is all that much of a fair compromise.  This suspect call is just another abuse being heaped toward me in a not-yet-resolved problem with Nereocystis.  (I was actually trying to help resolve the problem by creating the anti-polygamy article in thefirst place.) I would certainly be glad to enlarge the article over time, with help from others who can find the article.  But that will take time.  I need Nereocystis and their hostile anti-polygamy POV to be prevented from destroying every work I do and every single edit I make.  They now aggressively act as if they "own" the polygamy article and have created numerous problems indeed.  That last issue is really the heart of the problem here.  I am hoping to have it resolved so normal editing can resume.   I also hope my response here has been helpful for you.  Thanks again. Researcher 01:17, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Please copy the text from the polygamy article into the anti-polygamy article, but don't delete the original from polygamy. This will allow people to see what you envision as the anti-polygamy article.  Nereocystis 17:19, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Whatever personal grudge you two may have against one another is none of my concern. I'll keep an eye on THIS article and THIS article's history, and vote solely based on what I see there. Explodicle 20:14, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you. I don't have a grudge against him, just a desire to discuss the article itself, and not be subject to personal attacks. Nereocystis 20:44, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

For NPOV, the difference between neutral term vs. non-neutral POV agenda/debate MUST be Separated
LOGGED: Votes_for_deletion/Log/2005_July_9#For_NPOV.2C_the_difference_between_neutral_term_vs._non-neutral_POV_agenda.2Fdebate_MUST_be_Separated

When I started the anti-polygamy article, I did so with the full invitation for anti-polygamists to add their views there as well. That was the point, actually. So, I had only started the anti-polygamy article, but fully expected others, including anti-polygamists, to bring their views there too. If anti-polygamists thought it was too POV there, they were welcome to build upon the article (not delete or destroy) and to simultaneously await any pro-polygamous response too. Instead, however, anti-polygamists who are afraid of their agenda being so exposed in such an open debate of their itemized presented arguments and tactics like that have responded by trying to hide and undermine that altogether. This very "vote for deletion" page is a pure example of that, anti-polygamists trying to prevent their agenda from being so exposed because they are not confident enough that their views and exposed tactics will be able to "win" their debate. Instead, they want to hide behind the seeming "authoritativeness" of directly infesting the neutral anthropological polygamy article with their POV and mis-information.

It is, of course, fully expected that anti-polygamists would oppress a minority by wanting to prevent Wikipedia readers from learning about the tactics and debate about anti-polygamy. Like I just said, they want the "freedom" to misrepresent polygamy as if authoritative rather than have their debates exposed for what they are.

Again, it must be understood that Polygamy is a neutral term but anti-polygamists continue to infest the Polygamy article with their POV. Nereocystis has repeatedly been outed as a hostile anti-polygamist on the Polygamy TALK pages. (Anti-polygamists have further tried to hide those "outings" by "archiving" all the evidence about the "outings." As well, an ANON editor deliberately tried to hide the evidence I had recently presented about what anti-polygamists did to my original version of the anti-polygamy article, by removing the specific segment of evidence from the TALK altogether!]) Therefore the outed anti-polygamist Nereocystis is here attempting to appeal to a hostile anti-polygamy POV majority in order to prevent the real issues from being exposed.

Anti-polygamy is obviously a non-neutral agenda. To obtain true NPOV in Wikipedia, polygamy should not be infested with the obvious POV of anti-polygamists as has been happening.

Instead, for true NPOV throughout the issue, anti-polygamists can have a place at the anti-polygamy article to itemize their agenda points and views by putting them in the more appropriate anti-polygamy article. Then pro-polygamists can also list their refutations of those items. That way, both articles are truly NPOV.

In that way, the neutral anthropoligical polygamy article can teach Wikipedia readers what polygamy really is about without the distraction of the agenda of anti-polygamy POV. If the Wikipedia readers want to also see the anti-polygamy view and debate, then they can go to the anti-polygamy article and get that information too. (When I created the anti-polygamy article, I created an immediate explanation and link to it on the anti-polygamy article.)  Wikipredia readers should not be distracted with the agenda of the anti-polygamy POV and propaganda, unless they seek it directly.

What I have created with all this also allows true NPOV on the anti-polygamy article too. As already explained, anti-polygamists can place their reasons for their agenda and pro-polygamists can respond. Balance, NPOV. In the same way, pro-polygamists can point out the tactics of anti-polygamists and anti-polygamists can respond. True NPOV.

Polygamy is the neutral anthropological term. Anti-polygamy is the non-neutral agenda and debate. True NPOV accross the board.

In addition to the NPOV issue, the polygamy article itself is already too long. Whenever one makes an edit to the full polygamy article, they get the red-font "too long" message. The reason that the polygamy article is too long is because it is too infested with anti-polygamy agenda. So, by moving the agenda and debate to its own anti-polygamy article, the length can be kept within Guidelines.

Lastly, the POV of those wanting to delete or prevent this solution is easily observable as hostile anti-polygamy POV itself. To refuse to allow the anti-polygamy article, as the needed solution to the anti-polygamists destroying the polygamy article, is the same thing as a KKK majority refusing fairness and NPOV to African Americans on a Wikipedia article about African Americans. It is the same thing as contining to allow KKK editors to imply all the worst ideas against African Americans as if authoritative rather than allow their POV agenda and debate be openly exposed for review of all Wikipedia readers.

So, for true NPOV, article-length, and true fairness to an oppressed minority, a legitimate encyclopedia must separate the neutral anthropological term of polygamy from the non-neutral agenda and debate of anti-polygamy. Anything less than that is bigoted POV and has no place in a legitimate Wikipedia.

Researcher 13:57, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Why not just Build the Article?
LOGGED: Votes_for_deletion/Log/2005_July_9#Why_not_just_Build_the_Article.3F

Rather than vote to destroy the article, why not just follow the Wikipedia policy of building upon the current anti-polygamy article instead? It was created as a work-in-progress and yet it is being called for deletion before it even had a chance to grow. Researcher 02:18, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

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Colusa County Courthouse

The Colusa County Courthouse, in Colusa, California was erected in 1861. This Greek Revival style building is the oldest remaining courthouse in the Sacramento Valley. The "Southern" style reflects the county's heritage and states' rights sympathies during the American Civil War, largely due to the influence of the local newspaper editor Will S. Green. In its early years, the courthouse also served as a center for cultural, social, and religious activities. The courthouse is California Historical Landmark #890, a designation it received in 1976.

The courthouse, constructed of brick and later covered in plaster, cost $21,000 to build. A golden bear statue stands above the front door, atop four 30-foot columns. Originally, the building had a large dome on the roof, but it was removed not long after the courthouse's construction because it leaked. The building is now topped by a cupola that holds a bell.

The courthouse is home to a statue of George Washington that was given to the county after the 1860 election. Colusa County voters donated more money per voter to fund construction of the Washington Monument, in Washington, D.C., than voters anywhere else in California. The county received the statue in recognition.

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Manuel de Mederos

Manuel de Mederos (1539–1613) was a Portuguese explorer and settler who was active in the Spanish conquest of Mexico. He was one of the founders of the city of Saltillo, Coahuila and was the mayor of Monterrey.

Early life and family
Manuel Mederos's parents were Hernán Rodríguez Medero and Maria Manuela de Amona. He was born in 1539 on São Miguel Island, in the Azores. He moved to Spain in his youth. He arrived in New Spain in 1562. He was part of the expedition of Luis Carvajal y de la Cueva during the conquest of northern Mexico and was one of the original founders of the city of Saltillo, Coahuila, on July 25, 1577. He married Magdalena Martínez.

Later life
Captain de Mederos's hacienda (ranch) was located south of the Villa of Saltillo, next to the properties of Alberto del Canto and Juan Alonso, close to Buenavista. He was a companion of Don Gaspar Castaño de Sosa in his frustrated voyage to New Mexico.

In 1583 Captain de Mederos was granted a territory in which he established the Hacienda of San Juan Bautista de la Pesquería Grande, which later become the municipality of Garcia in the Mexican state of Nuevo León.

He also joined Carvajal in the founding of the city of Almadén (now Monclova) in April 1588.

In 1593 he returned with his family to Saltillo. In 1599 he moved once again to the city of Monterrey where he occupied various positions: first as town councillor; then in 1601 as mayor; in 1602 as church steward; 1603, town councillor again; and in 1605 again as mayor.

On July 25, 1606, Mederos associated with Diego de Huelva and José de Treviño to cultivate corn and wheat. The next year they bought from the priest, Cebrián de Acevedo Ovalle all of his mines in el Nuevo Reino de León.

On April 22, 1613, he donated land in Santa Catarina to his goddaughter Andrea Rodríguez, wife of Blas Pérez.

He still lived as of December 1613.

After this, little is known about Captain Mederos. The Universidad Autónoma de Nuevo León (UANL) has a campus named after him, and there is a Capitán Mederos Avenue in the city of Monterrey.

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Grant Sonnex

Grant Sonnex is a furniture designer and former BBC radio presenter.

Background
Sonnex worked for 20 years as a wildlife radio producer with the BBC Natural History Unit, he also presented documentary programmes on BBC Radio 4, several of which are available in RealAudio format from the BBC website.

In 1998 he received a Glaxo Wellcome ABSW Science Writers' Award for best contribution to a radio programme on a science subject.

He left the BBC and retrained as a furniture designer, setting up a studio in Gloucestershire. In 2013 he moved to St Davids, Pembrokeshire and is now designing and hand-making furniture in his workshop. He makes tables and sideboards and, in January 2014, a table he had made unexpectedly appeared on an episode of the BBC's Sherlock.

Radio programmes

 * A Life With...
 * Playing the Wind
 * Nature (some episodes only)
 * Call to the Wild

Television programmes

 * The Song of the Earth: A Natural History of Music (produced and co-written with David Attenborough)

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Talk:Stata Mater

ref for earlier anon edit. Alf 18:54, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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United States v. United Mine Workers of America

United States v. United Mine Workers of America, 330 U.S. 258 (1947), was a case in which the United States Supreme Court examined whether a trial court acted appropriately when it issued a restraining order to prevent a labor strike organized by coal miners. In an opinion written by Chief Justice Fred M. Vinson, the Court held that a restraining order and preliminary injunction prohibiting a strike did not violate the Clayton Antitrust Act or the Norris–La Guardia Act, that the trial court was authorized to punish the violation of its orders as criminal contempt, and that fines imposed by the trial court were warranted in the situation.


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A Show of Force

A Show of Force is a 1990 American thriller drama film directed by Bruno Barreto. The film is based on events and theories surrounding the Maravilla Hill case in Puerto Rico adapted from Anne Nelson's book, Murder Under Two Flags.

Plot
In 1978, Kate Melendez (Amy Irving) is a television news reporter who investigates the mysterious deaths of two radical Puerto Rican activists. The government claims they were terrorists while others claim the two were merely student activists. Despite threats to her own life, Melendez investigates the deaths, gradually leading her to conclude that undercover American agents were responsible for framing the activists as terrorists, and then murdering them.

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The Third Wave (2003 film)

The Third Wave (Den tredje vågen) is a Swedish action film from 2003 directed by Anders Nilsson and starring Jakob Eklund. It is the third film in the series about police officer Johan Falk (Jakob Eklund), the first two being Zero Tolerance (Noll tolerans) and Executive Protection (Livvakterna). Falk has not worked in the year since the events of the second film, but on a trip with his family in central Europe he is contacted by his former boss again. "An entire continent is being stolen."

Plot
Phoenix Kane is a mobster. His live-in girlfriend, Rebecca, discovers his illegal money laundering and tries to leave him. He half-strangles her to keep her quiet, but is hit by a car as he leaves. While he is taken to the hospital, Rebecca escapes England. For his protection, Kane orders her captured and returned to England and his control, not knowing one of his cohorts has ordered a hit on her if she talks to the police.

Falk has not worked for some time. He meets his former boss, who now is part of Europol leading an organized crime task-force, in a Dutch restaurant and refuses a job offer. When he leaves, Rebecca meets with the former boss, offering information in exchange for protection. Falk returns to the restaurant just as hitmen, disguised as police, kill Falk's ex-boss and try to take out Rebecca.

Falk returns fire and sneaks her to safety. They escape the hitmen, but are overtaken by a security team from Kane with orders to return her to England. They don't believe Rebecca when she insists she'll be killed if she goes back, but when Kane tracks them down and his hitmen shoot some of the security men, they go rogue and help her.

In Munich, Kane has set up a big money deal at a local bank. Falk, his pregnant girlfriend Helen, Rebecca and two uninjured security men head there to stop him. Falk wants to bug Kane's hotel room using cell phones, but because of street rioters, only Helen has credentials that persuade the police to let her in. She bugs the room but can't leave the hotel because rioting has worsened.

The hitmen, who had earlier lost them, see her and deduce where their quarry is. They catch Helen when she sneaks from the hotel and use her to compel Falk to turn over Rebecca. Falk refuses, hoping to find a way to save Helen without getting Rebecca killed. Helen succeeds in escaping her captor, but freezes in the street when she sees a hit man shoot Falk, disabling him.

Meanwhile Rebecca goes to the bank to confront Kane and learns he didn't arrange the hit on her. She shoots and kills the cohort who did. One hit man sees her and, dressed as a riot policeman, forces his way in, killing Kane in the effort to kill Rebecca. The hitman is himself killed.

The second hitman shoots Falk in the head and prepares to kill a distraught Helen, using a dead policeman's gun after his own gun jams. Instead, Falk kills him, saving Helen, still alive since the cop's gun had held only rubber bullets.

Falk attends the funeral for his former boss—wearing a policeman's uniform.

Cast

 * Jakob Eklund as Johan Falk
 * Irina Björklund as Rebecca
 * Ben Pullen as Kane
 * Nicholas Farrell as Devlin
 * Sylvester Groth as Dauphin
 * Marie Richardson as Helén
 * Lennart Hjulström as Sellberg
 * John Benfield as Stevens
 * Pierre Deny as Leblanc
 * Robert Giggenbach as Sorensen
 * Emmanuel Limal as Rocca

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Talk:Victoria (mythology)

older comments
ref for earlier anon edit. Alf 18:56, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

According to Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology, "her cult was neither ancient nor widespread", contradicting "a vast cult existed for hundreds of years" in the article. I checked your source and couldn't find mention of this, so I'm going to go ahead and change it...discuss here if you want it changed back or want to talk about the changes. RollingStone122 21:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Oops.

Seems this quote is about Pax, who is discussed in the same article as Victoria. I undid my changes. I need to read more carefully! Sorry for any inconvenience.

Era style
The era style for this article is BCE/CE, established in 2008 with this edit. Cynwolfe (talk) 17:53, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Date inconsistency
The history and iconography section claims in the beginning that Victoria first appeared during the first Punic War, yet later claims that in 294 BC (30 years before the start of the war) she was given a temple. Icek~enwiki (talk) 09:37, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Light sweet crude

I have reverted the change that light sweet crude is a type of petroleum because petroleum is a refined product and therefire unlikely to be crude. Please explain if you pelieve I was incorrect. DJ Clayworth 18:56, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Sweet ?
What does sweet mean here ? I doubt if it refers to sugar content. StuRat 04:38, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Sweet means low in sulphur, I think. Shawnc 11:32, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

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