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Deeper Underground

"Deeper Underground" is a single by British funk and acid jazz band Jamiroquai from the soundtrack to the 1998 film Godzilla. The song was also included as a bonus track on the group's fourth studio album, Synkronized, as well as on the special edition of the group's fifth album, A Funk Odyssey (2001). Released in Japan in May 1998 and in the United Kingdom two months later, "Deeper Underground" became a hit in several countries, giving Jamiroquai their only number-one single on the UK Singles Chart, selling over 339,100 copies in the UK as of March 2017.

Music video
Directed by Mike Lipscombe, the music video was used as a promotional tool for the 1998 film Godzilla. Partly shot on location at Grays' State Theatre, it depicts a 3D film theatre in which the movie is being shown. However, as the screen shows Godzilla walking on the ocean floor, one of its feet breaks the screen, causing water to flood into the theatre as if the screen were made of glass and everything behind it were real. The theatre turns into chaos as the audience tries to get out alive, in the midst of which Jay Kay appears and sings and dances on top of the seats. Several other things go through the screen, including a helicopter, cars, and New York taxis. Some stills from the movie are also interspaced between various scenes. At the end of the video, the camera pans out, and it emerges that this entire flood was itself being watched by a different cinema audience on another screen.

During the making of the video, the extras were not informed beforehand about the sudden influx of water near the start of the video, so the terrified reactions as they try to escape are actually genuine.

Another version of the video replaces Godzilla with a man in the movie who smashes an aquarium, causing the theatre to flood. The rest of the video is completely identical.

Track listings
UK CD1
 * 1) "Deeper Underground" (radio edit) – 3:33
 * 2) "Deeper Underground" (The Metro Mix) – 6:59
 * 3) "Deeper Underground" (instrumental) – 4:44

UK CD2
 * 1) "Deeper Underground" – 4:44
 * 2) "Deeper Underground" (The Ummah Mix) – 5:01
 * 3) "Deeper Underground" (S-Man Meets Da Northface Killa Dub) – 9:02

UK cassette single and European CD single
 * 1) "Deeper Underground" (radio edit) – 3:33
 * 2) "Deeper Underground" (The Metro Mix) – 6:59

Australian and Japanese CD single
 * 1) "Deeper Underground" (radio edit)
 * 2) "Deeper Underground"
 * 3) "Deeper Underground" (The Metro Mix)
 * 4) "High Times" (radio edit)

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Naomi Baron

Naomi S. Baron (born September 27, 1946, New York, NY) is a linguist and professor emerita of linguistics at the Department of World Languages and Cultures at American University in Washington, D.C.

Education and career
Baron earned a B.A. in 1968 in English and American Literature at Brandeis University, and, in 1973, a PhD in linguistics at Stanford University. Her dissertation is titled, "The Evolution of English Periphrastic Causatives: Contributions to a general theory of linguistic variation and change." She taught at Brown University, the Rhode Island School of Design, Emory University, and Southwestern University before coming to American University, where she held a position from 1987 until her retirement.

Research interests
Her areas of research and interest include computer-mediated communication, writing and technology, language in social context, language acquisition and the history of English. She is also interested in language use in the computer age, instant messaging, text messaging, mobile phone practices, cross-cultural research on mobile phones, Human multitasking behavior, and Facebook online social interaction usage by American college students. She has published a number of books on these topics.

Honors and awards
She was a Guggenheim Fellow, Fulbright Fellow, and president of the Semiotic Society of America.

Her book, Always On: Language in an Online and Mobile World, which was published in 2008, won the English-Speaking Union’s HRH The Duke of Edinburgh ESU English Language Book Award for 2008.

Books

 * Baron, Naomi S., Words onscreen. The fate of reading in a digital world, Oxford : Oxford University Press, 2015. ISBN 978-0-19-931576-5
 * Baron, Naomi S., Always on : language in an online and mobile world, Oxford; New York : Oxford University Press, 2008. ISBN 978-0-19-531305-5
 * Baron, Naomi S., Alphabet to E-mail: How Written English Evolved and Where It's Heading, London; New York : Routledge, 2000. ISBN 0-415-18685-4
 * Baron, Naomi S., Growing up with language : how children learn to talk, Reading, Mass. : Addison-Wesley Pub. Co., 1992. ISBN 0-201-55080-6
 * Baron, Naomi S., Pigeon-birds and rhyming words : the role of parents in language learning, Englewood Cliffs, N.J. : Prentice Hall, 1990. ISBN 0-13-662875-3
 * Baron, Naomi S., Computer languages : a guide for the perplexed, Garden City, N.Y.: Anchor Press/Doubleday, 1986. ISBN 0-385-23214-4
 * Baron, Naomi S., Speech, writing, and sign : a functional view of linguistic representation, Bloomington : Indiana University Press, 1980. ISBN 0-253-19373-7
 * Baron, Naomi S., Language acquisition and historical change, Amsterdam; New York : North Holland Pub. Co.; New York : distributors for the US and Canada, Elsevier North-Holland, 1977. ISBN 0-444-85077-5

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Luis García Berlanga

Luis García-Berlanga Martí MMT (12 June 1921 – 13 November 2010) was a Spanish film director and screenwriter. Acclaimed as a pioneer of modern Spanish cinema, his films are marked by social satire and acerbic critiques of Spanish culture under the Francoist dictatorship. These include Welcome Mr. Marshall! (1953), which won the International Prize (Comedy Film) at the 1953 Cannes Film Festival, Plácido (1961), nominated for an Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film in 1962, and The Executioner (1963), winner of the FIPRESCI Prize at the 24th Venice International Film Festival He kept a long-time collaboration with screenwriter Rafael Azcona, with whom he co-wrote the scripts for seven of his films between 1961 and 1987.

Early years
Berlanga was born on June 12, 1921, into an affluent family in the city of Valencia, on the east coast of Spain. His father was a Republican politician in the national parliament who was arrested and sentenced to death after the Spanish Civil war. He enrolled in the Blue Division in the Eastern Front of World War II to avoid having his father executed. In his youth, Berlanga studied law and philosophy, but in 1947 he decided to enter the Institute of Cinematographic Investigations and Experiences (Instituto de Investigaciones y Experiencias Cinematográficas) in Madrid.

Career
His debut as a film director in 1951 was with the film That Happy Couple in which he worked with Juan Antonio Bardem. With Bardem, he is considered to be one of Spanish film renovators after the Spanish Civil War. They cofounded a film magazine, Objetivo, in 1953, which existed until 1956.

Among his films are masterpieces of Spanish cinema such as Welcome Mr. Marshall! (1953), in which he highlighted the stereotypes held by both the Spanish and the Americans regarding the culture of the other, as well as a social criticism of 1950s Francoist Spain, and the black comedy The Executioner (1963), a critical portrait about the capital punishment.

Characteristic of his films are their sense of irony and the satires of different social and political situations. During the Francoist State, his ability to outwit the censors allowed him to make daring projects, including The Rocket from Calabuch (1956) and Miracles of Thursday (1957). His film Plácido (1961), a black comedy about poverty, received a nomination for the Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film. The film also entered into the 1962 Cannes Film Festival, as well as Long Live the Bride and Groom in 1970.

He later filmed  (Life Size, 1974), an international co-production starring Michel Piccoli, which was not released in Spain until six years later due to Franco's censorship. This was followed by La escopeta nacional (1978), Patrimonio nacional (1981), which entered into the 1981 Cannes Film Festival, and Nacional III (1982), a satirical trilogy about the Leguineches, an impoverished aristocratic family. His 1985 film La vaquilla (The Heifer), a comedy about the Civil War, was the highest-grossing Spanish film in Spain at the time.

In 1968, he was head of the jury at the 18th Berlin International Film Festival. Other accolades include the Prince of Asturias Award for the Arts in 1986, a membership at the Royal Academy of Fine Arts of San Fernando in 1988, and, in 1993, the Goya for Best Director for Everyone Off to Jail. He was also awarded the Spanish National Cinematography Prize (Premio Nacional de Cinematografía) in 1980, the Italian Commendatore Order, the Gold Medal of Merit in the Fine Arts (Medalla de Oro de las Bellas Artes) in 1982, an honorary degree granted by the University of Valencia in 1997, and the Gold Medal of Merit in Labour (Medalla al Mérito en el Trabajo) in 2002.

He won international prizes at several important film festivals, including Cannes Film Festival, the Venice Film Festival, and the Mar del Plata Film Festival. He has also been awarded a large number of national acknowledgements. At the Karlovy Vary International Film Festival he won a prize as one of the world's ten most prominent film directors.

Personal life and death
He was married in 1954 with María Jesús Manrique, and they had four sons. Two of his sons died in Madrid relatively young from liver diseases: Carlos Berlanga on 5 June 2002, at the age of 42, and Jorge Berlanga on 9 June 2011, at 52 years old.

Berlanga died of natural causes in Madrid on 13 November 2010, at the age of 89.

His closed coffin was on display at the Spanish Film Academy in Madrid before its burial in Pozuelo de Alarcón. Crowds of actors, artists, politicians and other admirers lined up to pay their respects. The president of the Academy, Álex de la Iglesia, stated: "He changed my life", while the director José Luis García Sánchez said: "He dignified an entire aesthetic tradition. On his tomb it should be read, instead of RIP, The End." Pedro Almodóvar, who came to pay his respects to the "master", owner of a talent comparable, in his opinion, to other greats figures in the history of cinema, said "We always talk about Billy Wilder, but if Berlanga had made films in another language, the entire world would surrender before his coffin today. His characters spoke a lot and very fast, which made subtitling in another language very difficult".

Legacy and influence

Berlanga's film style has influenced many contemporary Spanish filmmakers, which include Santiago Segura, Javier Fesser, Borja Cobeaga, Alberto Caballero, and Víctor García León. The term 'berlanguian', which refers to the surreal, to what is difficult to explain but absolutely possible within the imagination and way of being of the Spanish, has been admitted by the Royal Spanish Academy. French actor Michel Piccoli, who worked with Berlanga on two films, said about him "He is Don Quixote... Well, he could also be Sancho." Francisco Franco, upon being told by his ministers that Berlanga was an anarchist, a Bolshevik and a communist, stated "He is much worse than that; he is a bad Spaniard."

In 2008, he deposited in the Caja de las Letras number 1034 of the Instituto Cervantes an envelope containing a secret, which he asked not to be revealed until 12 June 2021, when the centenary of his birth would be celebrated. On 9 June 2021, three days before the centenary, his grandchildren Fidel and Jorge opened the box and revealed the secret contents of the envelope: an unpublished script titled Viva Rusia!, co-written by the filmmaker himself, his son Jorge, Rafael Azcona and Manuel Hidalgo Ruiz, a project for the fourth film of the Leguineche family saga that was never filmed. That same year, the Valencian Audiovisual Awards were renamed the Berlanga Awards by the regional ministry of Education, Culture and Sport from the 4th edition onward to pay homage to the Valencia-born filmmaker.

In 2012, the Berlanga Film Museum (BFM) was inaugurated as an online museum dedicated exclusively to the work of the Spanish director.

Associate producer

 * Tenemos 18 Años (1959)

Honours

 * Medalla al Mérito de las Bellas Artes.jpg Gold Medal of Merit in the Fine Arts (Kingdom of Spain, 28 February 1982)
 * Medalla al Mérito en el Trabajo.jpg Gold Medal of Merit in Labour (Kingdom of Spain, 13 December 2002)

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Vernon Bogdanor

Sir Vernon Bernard Bogdanor (born 16 July 1943 ) is a British political scientist, historian, and research professor at the Institute for Contemporary British History at King's College London. He is also emeritus professor of politics and government at the University of Oxford and an emeritus fellow of Brasenose College, Oxford.

He is one of Britain's foremost constitutional experts and has written extensively on political and constitutional issues. He supports the British monarchy and the adoption of proportional representation.

Early life and education
Bogdanor was born in Staines to Harry and Rosa Bogdanor (née Weinger), and grew up in Uxbridge. His father was a pharmacist whose parents came to the UK from Ukraine, while his mother was born in Poland and came to the UK in the 1930s. Both parents were observant Jews. Educated at Bishopshalt School, Vernon Bogdanor gained a first-class honours Bachelor of Arts degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics (PPE) from The Queen's College, Oxford, in 1964.

Career

From 1966, Bogdanor was Fellow in Politics, Senior Tutor (1979–85 and 1996–97), Vice-Principal, and (in 2002–03) Acting Principal of Brasenose College, Oxford. He is also a Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts, a Fellow of the British Academy and an Honorary Fellow of the Society for Advanced Legal Studies.

He has been a member of Council of the Hansard Society for Parliamentary Government, Specialist Adviser to the House of Lords Select Committee on the European Communities, Member of the Court of Essex University, adviser (as a member of the Council of Europe and American Bar Association delegations) to the governments of the Czech Republic, Hungary, Israel and Slovakia on constitutional and electoral reform, member of the Academic Panel of Local Authority Associations, member of the Hansard Society Commission on the Legislative Process, member of the UK Government delegation on Democratic Institutions in Central and Eastern Europe and Conference on the Protection of Minorities, Consultant to Independent Television News (ITN) on the General Election, member of the Economic and Social Research Council's committee administering the 'Whitehall' programme, special adviser to the House of Commons Select Committee on the Public Services, member of the Swedish Constitutional Reform Project, member of the Advisory Group to the High Commissioner on National Minorities, adviser to the President of Trinidad on the Constitution of Trinidad, and member of the Economic and Social Research Council's committee administering the devolution programme.

Bogdanor is a frequent contributor to television, radio and newspapers. Between 2004 and 2008 he gave public lectures as Professor of Law at Gresham College, London. He continues to give public lectures at the college, now as Visiting professor of Political History. He has published numerous books and articles. In 2003, he edited The British Constitution in the 20th Century (published by Oxford University Press to mark the centenary of the British Academy) and authored The New British Constitution (2009), which analyses constitutional changes under the Labour government since 1997.

Bogdanor is a signatory of the statement of principles of the Henry Jackson Society.

Comments
Bogdanor's most famous former student is David Cameron, who became Conservative Party leader and served as prime minister from 2010 to 2016. Bogdanor described Cameron as "one of the ablest" students he has taught, whose political views were "moderate and sensible Conservative". He has, however, expressed reservations about some of Cameron's policies, including his proposal for a British "Bill of Rights", about which Bogdanor said, "I believe it's ill thought-out and confused.... He [Cameron] may have forgotten some of the things I've taught him. I'd be happy to give him a few more tutorials on civil liberties."

Bogdanor referred to the arrest, search and questioning of the Conservative MP Damian Green, for aiding and abetting misconduct in public office by police from Special Branch, as "a storm in a teacup". "The important principle is that MPs - apart from when they're speaking in the chamber and dealing with constituents' correspondence - are subject to the same laws as the rest of us."

In 2017, Bogdanor supported a second referendum for Brexit on the contents of a final deal, saying that "Brexiters can hardly deny to their opponents the same democratic right that they claim for themselves, unless they secretly fear that the British public has, in fact, had second thoughts". However, by 2019, he had reversed his position, writing that "it has now become clear that a further referendum is not only impractical but could prove dangerous to the cohesion of the country" because it "would give rise to a dangerous narrative of betrayal amongst Leave voters which would be harmful to the democratic spirit".

In a 2021 column for The Daily Telegraph, Bogdanor decried European Commission member Maroš Šefčovič's remark that the EU's patience with the UK was "wearing very, very thin" with regard to British implementation of the Northern Ireland Protocol; Bogdanor said the comment was "reminiscent of that of the dictators of the 1930s."

Awards and honours
Bogdanor was appointed Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE) in the 1998 Birthday Honours for services to constitutional history. In 2009, he was appointed a Chevalier de la Légion d'honneur by the president of France, Nicolas Sarkozy, for his work on the law and history of Britain and France; the honour was presented to Bogdanor by the French ambassador to the United Kingdom, Maurice Gourdault-Montagne.

He was knighted in the 2023 New Year Honours for services to political science.

Personal life
Bogdanor married Judith Evelyn Beckett in 1972; the marriage was dissolved in 2000. In August 2009 he married Sonia Margaret Robertson.

Articles

 * "Power and participation." Oxford Review of Education 5, No. 2 (1979): 157–168.
 * "Direct elections, representative democracy and European integration." Electoral Studies 8, No. 3 (1989): 205–216.
 * "Founding elections and regime change." Electoral Studies 9, No. 4 (1990): 288–294.
 * "The European Community and Sovereignty." Parliamentary Affairs 44, No. 4 (1991): 481–492. (with Geoffrey Woodcock)
 * "Overcoming the twentieth century: Democracy and nationalism in Central and Eastern Europe." The Political Quarterly 66, No. 1 (1995): 84–97.
 * "Ministerial accountability." Parliamentary Affairs 50, No. 1 (1997): 71–83.
 * "Devolution: Decentralisation or disintegration?." The Political Quarterly 70, No. 2 (1999): 185–194.
 * "Reform of the House of Lords: A sceptical view." The Political Quarterly 70, No. 4 (1999): 375–381.
 * "Civil service reform: a critique." The Political Quarterly 72, No. 3 (2001): 291–299.
 * "The Tories need a genuine liberal". The Spectator. 15 October 2005.
 * "The West Lothian Question." Parliamentary Affairs (2009)
 * "Mayors: Good for Britain - in the end." Prospect. 19 March 2012.
 * "Why English votes for English laws is a kneejerk absurdity". The Guardian. 24 September 2014.
 * "Time to ditch 'first-past-the-post'". Prospect. 22 January 2015.
 * "Who pays for our politics?". Prospect. 26 March 2015.
 * "Britain needs a new constitution". Prospect. 21 May 2015.
 * "A second Brexit referendum? It's looking more likely by the day". The Guardian. London. 3 August 2017.
 * "Parliament had failed on Brexit long before this prorogation". The Guardian. 29 August 2019.

Notable former students
In addition to David Cameron, Bogdanor's former students include Kate Allen, Camilla Cavendish, Diane Coyle, Guy Spier as well as Toby Young.

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Keyham railway station

Keyham railway station is a suburban station in the city of Plymouth, Devon, England. It is 249 mi from London Paddington via Box and Plymouth Millbay. The station is close to the Devonport dockyard.

History
The station was opened by the Great Western Railway on 1 June 1900. The goods facilities were used for marshalling trains to and from the Cornwall Railway branch into the naval dockyard, opened on 20 June 1867, which enters the dockyard between the station and Weston Mill viaduct.

The Cornwall Railway was amalgamated into the Great Western Railway on 1 July 1889.

Platform layout
The entrance is on the down platform, served by trains to Gunnislake and Cornwall. The up platform, reached by a footbridge, is served by trains to Plymouth.

Services
Keyham is served by Tamar Valley Line services from Plymouth to Gunnislake, and by a few trains on the Cornish Main Line to and from Penzance, some of which continue eastwards towards Exeter St Davids.

Community railway
The railway from Plymouth to Gunnislake is designated as the "Tamar Valley Line" community railway and is supported by marketing provided by the Devon and Cornwall Rail Partnership. It is part of the Dartmoor Sunday Rover network of integrated bus and rail routes.

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Page added to Request for Comment. --A.Garnet 21:34, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Were it that the subject were alive, I would categorise this as an "attack page". It is certainly POV, making no attempt to offer a balanced view. I lack the expertise or background myself to correct this, but in any event, I challenge the propriety of an encyclopaedia conating politico/religious polemic. --Simon Cursitor 12:59, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree, i compressed the body of this text into more encylopedic terms in the Ataturk article. Accusing Ataturk of sanctioning a genocide is a personal attack which is unfounded. --A.Garnet 14:56, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I already addressed the issue, this is more than accusations. The co-founder of the Turkish human right organization, Ragib Zarakollu wrote an article in July about those introduced in Ataturks administration.

 * Ataturks lunching of war agaist the republic of Armenia, in the so-called war of independence ended up with the Alxendripole investigation, which reported such destructions a large village nearby the city, which population was 80% under age 12(orphans for the most part) populations entirly destroyed. The Kemalist attacks are reported in various books, including Melsons Holocaust and Armenian genocide comparative study published book. While I have clarified this to you, you still maintain on supressing it. It isen't because you consider Ataturk as a god, that you shall supress the critics or throw them as claims by "some Armenians."(in this cases, you even want the deletion of the "some Armenians.") Besides, don't wonder why a critic of Ataturk get an article, you are part responsable of this, when you have decided to supress them in Ataturks entry. Oh and, please read Wikipedia policies. Fadix 18:11, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Fadix, it was you that highlighted me to the fact that as much room should be given to minority views as is held by academics. What you are accusing Ataturk here is that he sacntioned a genocide like Hitler sanctioned a genocide. This is a totally fringe and extreme view, and i am not suprised that it is you backing it. As for suppresing criticism of Ataturk, that whole section was a big mess. Even the defense of it that Kurds dont exist was a mess which i was ashamed of including in the article, if you notice i have included a section on Ataturk entitled "criticism of reforms", this in my eyes is written in much more encylopedic terms. I was not against including criticism of Ataturk, i was against including this page which was as big as the article just to appease fringe views held by yourself and Greeks that Ataturk sactioned a genocide. I dont worship Ataturk as a God, so please refrain from insults. Also why do you refer to the war of independence as "so called"?

 * This article isn't criticisng Ataturk for the people he introduced into his administration, its directly accusing him of giving orders to slaughter people based on their race, this is derogatory propoganda used only by Armenians and Greeks. If villages were burnt and people died this was the result of the war of independence to reclaim land which was taken from Turkey through the Treaty of Sevres, not a campaign to exterminate a race. --A.Garnet 19:02, 2 September 2005

 * What academic do you mean? The recent official biographer of Ataturk is Mango, who is a Turk, and is acting as a nationalist. While there are various works regarding the Armenian genocide, there is yet to be published a book on Ataturk life with all impartiality. Did you really read Mangos book about Ataturk? It is quite boring it isen't even a biography proper. A biography is not only, which people Ataturk knew, etc... So your comparaison doesn't make much sense in this cases. The entry about Ataturk is about Ataturk and the critics, and even Mango record his problems with alchool and women, which were real problems and very relevant when treating his last years of life... this is missing in the article. Also, what is missing is the foundation of Ataturks History foundation that sent "researchers" around the world, more particularly in Sourth America, to "prove' that the first human beings were Turks, and that Europeans still ignore Sumerians being Turks. Those are really relevant informations, since I can cite names of Turkish scholars that adhere to such theories and beliefs as we speak. It is also the same Ataturk historical foundation that innitiated the theory of Kurds being Turks and which justified the supression of anything that could permit Kurds to "practice" their Kurdishness, on the pretext that Kurds should regain back their lost origine, which of course Ataturk claim to be Turkish. I am sure that you know the theory of Kurds remaining too long in montains isolated from the rest, to the point that their Turkish language has been modified. The theory of Mountain Turks was also initiated from those ideologies.

 * A large number of people introduced in the Kemalist administration by Ataturk were the authors of the Armenian genocide, Sukru who was the head of the Armenian concentration camps and the commander of the restricted branch of the special organization who was charged to butcher Armenians, was made by Ataturk, the minister of the interior and secretary general of the party. Ismet Inonu who replaced him, was directly implicated in the Armenian genocide, those are documented and not only claims, Inonu when he took power signed later and agreement to transfer Talaat remains from NAZI Germany, and building a monument on the Hill of liberty(where Talaat is burried), in his memoirs.

 * Had the Russian revolution not arrived, Ataturks army would have had destroyed what is now the republic of Armenia, with at the leading had, Karabekir moving his army to Baku, and slaughtering Armenians to the last individual, like Halil the oncle of Enver write in his memoirs having attempted to do.

 * Having said all this, I hardly see how, you could think that even a line on the article about Ataturks role could be displaced, when in Smyrna entry you just added what Greeks have done OUTSIDE of the city, while you want to remove what Ataturks army did in Ataturks entry. A last thing, the article say "a genocide" not the genocide, since various scholars in the field believe that the second phases of the genocide happened under Ataturks army, this "claim" is relvant to be included regardless or not you find it a lie. And please, consider that statments like "derogatory propoganda used only by Armenians and Greeks" have no place here. Fadix 19:10, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Fadix, the only biography i have read of Ataturk is Kinross, and he certainly doesn't accuse him of genocide. I haven't read Mangos but if he did accuse him i'm sure it would have been all over the place by now. Also please dont try and discredit an author because he does not criticise Ataturk as much as you, Mango lived in Turkey till 18, that doesn't make him a "nationalist". Besides i have seen you use proof of the enclopedia of genocide as a credible source for Turkish denial and so forth, yet i only realised that those articles are written by Rouben Paul Adalian who is director of the Armenian Assembly of America. Hardly a neutral source.

 * With regards to Smyrna, its only fair to give a balanced view of the attrocities, Wetman removed the reference that the deaths were sporadic and re-introduced the graphic description of killings which in my eyes was an attempt to skew the paragraph. In the interests of fairness i introduced a quote which goes a long way to explain why the Turks may have carried out attrocities.

 * And no, i wont consider attempts by Armenians and Greeks to introduce fringe views to discredit Ataturk anything other than propoganda. --A.Garnet 19:30, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Please don't put words in my mouth. I am not criticizing Mango because I don't like him, but because his book was really flawed, at least I am not doing what Mango did when he wrote a critic of Balakians book by criticizing the genocide theses rather than the book itself(Should not be surprising since he is an "abassador" of the Turkish-Greek relation and is acting more as a politician than a researcher). It isen't a biography proper, it is Ataturk the symbols life rather than Ataturk as the person Mustafa Kemals life. Besides, Kinross had since the book dismissed many things he had written, starting with his description of Smyrna after adhering to Dobkins thesis. Comming to the articles, no, this isen't really true, Israel Charny provides Lemkins writtings, and studies of the special organization, German complicity, etc... are subjects out of Adalians study field(encyclopedia of Genocide), the same goes with Universalis, the same for Encarta, why don't you discredit the article, just because one of the co-authors happens to be half Armenians? If you're trying to discredit the work, by thinking that bringing a writer with a family names ending with a ian, I'm afraid that using your own standard, you will have to throw away a large body or research which treats the Holocaust, because they are writen by "Jews." You can not discredit someone by reffering to his ethnicity, this is not how it works. Adalian, limits himself by presenting research in the field, and the text he writes for encyclopedias are NOT personal research, much like my contribution in the Armenian Genocide entry is NOT personal research.

 * About Smyrna, you know your allegation against Wetman is unfounded, Kinross was not removed by him, and you know it, he reverted your supression, and the version he reverted to, was the one just after your change which did not include Kinross. As for the balancing, of course you do balance by throwing Greek crimes outside of the City of Smyrna, that the entry is supposed to cover, and on the same time try to dismiss, delet critics of Ataturk in Ataturks own entry. Holly cow, I still wonder what sort of NPOV policy on neutrality you are adhering to here, when in the same time as quoting Greek crimes outside of the City of Smyrna(and again, in the entry treating the city in question), you delet criticism of Ataturk. I'll give you something though, and it is that the critic was not written in accordance to NPOV policy, but still you had nothing to say when in the critic itself there was a counter answer of the critic, when this same "counter answer" method was not used elsewhere in the article.

 * Lastly, I repeat, this sort of statments have no place in a serious discussion... I have shown, it isen't a fringe, the next time you say this, I'm gonna load a series of works treating what I am reporting and which you still repeat being a fringe. Fadix 20:58, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * What matters here is that your accusing Ataturk of genocide, something neither of his biographies mention, something neither Britannica or Encarta mention (or Universalis?), something no court has ever accused or found him guilty of. If your information is not fringe please explain why none of these sources mention Ataturk sanctioned a genocide. I'm placing this page on request for comment because i can't be arsed to waste my time reverting.

 * Also, do not accuse me of suppresing information because i disagree to one sided graphic accounts of attrocities being included, and no i was not aware Wetman reverted, i asked him to clarify why he removed the Kinross reference and he did not reply, therefore i assumed he was skewing the paragraph, my mistake. --A.Garnet 21:19, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Like if a court decision or any sources decision would make a difference for you.(considering that the court cases in the cases of the Armenian genocide did not)
 * Those were his words: "...we need to destroy the ... Armenian state, which still festers the body of our country like a cankerous growth." Put Novoj Turcii, Mustafa Kemal, Vol, III, Moscow, 1934, p. 314

 * To do this, he has reinserted butchers and mass murderers in the administration, Yves Ternons book cover this, Melsons book even provide an estimate of the number of Armenians having died under Ataturks attacks, Dubkin work covers it, the same work that Kinross later adhered to the view of. You claim that it isen't in the biography, obvious, most people writting about Ataturk deny the Armenian genocide in the first place. Even the article in Universalis about Ataturk is writen by Mantran, do you even know who he is? He is an Ottomanist and a known revisionist. You are requesting by using authors, that don't even recognize the Armenian genocide, and you expect them to criticize Ataturks crime against the Armenians. Dr. Panzac is an authority of Ottoman history, a rare one in the field that don't recieve grants from Turkey financing systems "granting" researchers in the field. Why don't you contact him and raise the question to him? But don't even expect getting the answer you would have from Mango. Agar calls in his book, Ataturks regime as fascism, which obviously is when checking the definition of the word. Ernst Jackh, who was a know Turkophile also in his work discribed such a regime. Comming to the Armenian cases, the book I also quoted previously in Wikipedia, from Christopher Simpson, mention Kemals embraced the Ittihadists which contributed to renewed massacres. Peterson in his book raises the issue too. And here, I am even not covering the burning of Armenian quarters in Cilicia, needer the burning of Smyrna that still is denied to these days. I can start reffering to others who wrote books about the issue, but you'll still repeat it to be a fringe, when IT IS NOT.

 * Now about Wetman, assume good fate, did you had any experiences with him before, to judge him of supressing the information? Before I started doubting about your conduct, it took me witnissing you supressing in three articles. I isen't much asking for you to do the same thing. As for the "one sided" account, again, I repeat, the entry was about Smyrna, you tried to "balance" what was reported in Smyrna by adding about what Greeks did outside of the city. Fadix 01:43, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Ataturk was trying to rid Turkey of all countries which tried to partition it until the border lines agreed at Sivas were reached. Therefore it does not surprise me if he said the Armenian state (not Armenians) must be destroyed. Ataturk was trying to rid Turkey of the political entity that was The Republic of Armenia, not the Armenian people

 * Have you even read any of the authors I have named? What I am telling you is that Ataturk got Halil released from prison during the martial court and sent him in the East with Karabakir. The same Halil that from his prison cell was saying that he killed with his men, 300,000 Armenians and that he will be trying to get every Armenians to be destroyed. The same Ataturk that took British prisoners and made death threats if the restrictive circle of Malta prisoners that the British refused to release(because of their direct implications in the extermination of the Armenians) were to not be freed... and that he planned an escape of some of them... because he needed those butchers on his side against what he called a "war" against Armenians. You have no clue of what you are talking about, I name authors after authors to show you that this is not a fringe, and you still claim it is untrue, like this could justify the deleting of information. Let me again clarify this up for you... the Kemalist army excurtion in Armenia, was NOT in Ottoman land... Alexandripole was in "Russian Armenia" they were to move in Yervan and pulvirising the entire Armenian population. This ended when the Bolshevic red army took over that pieces of land. Kemalist army excurtions in that land made more Russian Armenian victims than the entire World War I. Fadix 16:02, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Now you are also discrediting every author who writes about Ataturk without accusing him of genocide; Mango is a nationalist Turk, Kinross denies the Armenian genocide, Mantran is an Ottoman revisionist. Well whatabout Brittanica and Encarta, are their authors revisionist also? And like you said, is it uncommon to get a Turk to write about Turkish history like it is for an Armenian to write about an Armenian genocide? --A.Garnet 11:30, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Discrediting? Well, since most Western scholars in the field who are not related in any Turkey founded institute of so-called Ottoman studies, it is the other way around. You are dismissing those that implicate Ataturk in the destruction of Armenia, the destruction of the Armenian quarters in Cilicia BY BURNING them... the Alexandripole investigation can be found in Soviet archives, for the Eastern front. While you admit not having read Mango, you still accuse me of doing something you are in no position of doing... neither Mantran. It is hypocrasy at best, to try to accuse me of something you've been doing with your silence when I cite authors, one after the other. As for Kinross, I don't see how I am discrediting him, I just said what he has done, when he read Dubkins book, he changed his position. Comming again with Mantran, do you even know why I call him a revisionist? Do you even know what happened in Collège de France(the issue was published in Le Monde and Libération). Gilles Veinstein founded a chair of Turkish history at "Le Collège de France" to then, hold that chair himself with a premedited support of Bazin and Mantran and get direct grants and fundings in French universities, similair to the ARIT and ITS, but proper to France. Veinstein holded the chair with just one vote differences, he was majority with one vote. Do you know why? You can not dismiss one position and get it deleted from Wikipedia, only because you use authors who write about Ataturk and who deny the Armenian genocide in the same time. Since those Authors who deny the genocide are a minority, and by doing so, you are dismissing the majority view. Fadix 16:02, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Please dont say "you do not have a clue what your talking about", see Civility. You are right i am not an expert on Armenian history as i have said on Armenian Genocide talk page before. But i will rely on Kinross, Mango, Britannica, Unversalis, Encarta, The Economist, FT, Reuters, BBC and TIME, all who have never mentioned Ataturk as sanctioning a genocide. --A.Garnet 16:53, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 * And I rely on history books while you rely on newspapers and articles written by Mango, Mantran etc. As for my comment about you not having a clue of what you are talking about. Since you admit not knowing Armenian history, I don't see how me saying you don't know the subject at hand is not a civil thing to do. Fadix 17:21, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Islam worst traitor - Mustafa Kemal
''In 1920's Mustafa Kemal with the help of the British became the hero. Hmm, well, this so-called hero canceled the authority of the most powerful system suitable for human beings. The Khilafah !!! He abandoned all the rulings of Allah. He did not stop there. He abandoned the Adan in Arabic, he denied Muslim sisters from obeying Allah (SWT) by abandoning the Hijab. All Islamic calendars and holidays were canceled. Yes brothers and sisters. He changed the Arabic alphabet to Latin. By doing so, he made sure the next generation will be lost and have no connection to their Islamic roots as they can not read and write all the Islamic culture that was recorded. This Islamic system sent by the Creator of Alameen went from the application in life to be in museums for people to go and see in Turkey.'' - Darwinek 20:47, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Don't be offended, but all that you have written here is pure nonsense. They have little to do with what has transpired in reality and seem to be the result of an extensive brainwashing process. The way you bring them forward resembles a parrot's feeble attempts to imitate speech. While I am still not sure whether this crap is worth taking seriously, I still advise you to abandon your pitiful fanaticism and learn some facts before vomitting out your insults here. --Pipifax 12:19, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

I am from Turkey, and I lived there for 22 years. I visited most of its regions and there are mosques at every city of Turkey without any exception. People pray Allah without any restrictions. 99% of the population are muslims. The thing you lack is the understanding of 'the real world'. Religion is something that must strictly be kept away from governmental and judicial institutions. If you Arabs -I think you are probably a stupid Arab- liked Caliphate that much, why did you cooperate with the British and betrayed The Ottoman Empire/Turkey??

You have lived in Turkey for 22 years? You seem completely ignorant of the rise of political Islamism in Turkey, and to top it all, you accuse the above poster of being an Arab, when in reality, the dominant political party in Turkey is Islamist and many of its party-members hold similar beliefs. Let me guess, next you will tell us that Erdogahn was only elected and re-elected because "stupid Arabs" crossed the border and rigged the elections? Let me remind you, the Europeans referred to the Ottoman Empire as the "Sick man of Europe"--yet before you Turks swarmed into power, the Muslims--including the stupid Arabs, were at the apex of art, reason, and thought. Let me also remind you, that you Turks will never be admitted to the EU and are seen as second-class citizens throughout Europe, especially in Germany.

References and attention sought
Much of this article is not tenable in its current state. It needs references, and I noted this with the respective tag (it also needs attention, so I noted that as well). I will give the author/s some time to reference the various sections, and urge them to review closely and adhere to WP:NPOV, WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:CITE, and WP:RS. I'll revisit the progress (hopefuly) soon. Thanks. El_C 02:00, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

 * If no references are provided within the next few days, much material will be removed until such time as it becomes soruced to something. Thoughts? El_C 21:21, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

 * As you can see the article is becoming a free for all against Ataturk. My thoughts are that this page be redirected to Atatürk's reforms where pro's and cons of his modernisation be discussed there. As it is this page is turning into a personal attack, especially claims of sanctioning genocides. --A.Garnet 23:01, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I certainly wish for the pertinent contributors to review closely and adhere to the policies I outline above, especially referencially. Yes, that sounds like a sensible redirect if my aforementioned querry isn't followed by an(y) appreciable response soon. El_C 23:43, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Garnet, this criticism section slander more Kurds than being a free for all against Ataturk. Maybe we are not reading the same article. As for sanctioning genocide, I have cited works about this, so please stop with that. Fadix 04:32, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

 * No Fadix, i wont stop with that. What you have given me is references which show Turkish soldiers killed many people from which you are drawing your own conclusions. You have not given me one respectable impartial source which directly accuses Ataturk of sanctioning a genocide to exterminate the Armenian race. As for insults to Kurds, i tried to remove that section countless times from the Ataturk article only for it be constantly replaced. --A.Garnet 11:27, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Not true, I already cited Melson, who consider the Kemalist attacks, as the second stage and final completion of the genocide. Rummel in his work: "Statistics of Democide" on chapter 5, covers the Kemalistic killings, as "genocidal killing" and present it as a continuity to the Young Turks regime. Various works present the Kemalists, as the ones that consumed the Armenian genocide. While I cite, you repeat the same old broken record that I have presented no references. Fadix 18:09, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

 * This is not about the Kemalists, this is about Kemal, the man himself. You are accusing Ataturk of personally sanctioning a genocide and your references give no indication that he personally ordered the massacre of the Armenian people. Ataturks only motivation in taking Armenia was to stop Russia from annexing it and thereby losing it forever. Kinross covers this in the prelude to the Turco-Russian treaty. And before you say Kinross changed his views, i have also read Ottoman Centuries by Kinross which was published a full 13 years after Ataturk (a year after his death) in which he covers the Hamidian massacres in depth, but again makes no mention of your view that Ataturk was responsible for Armenian massacres. You also know that Mango did not accuse Ataturk in sanctioning any attrocities otherwise you would have said so by now. It is well known that Ataturk openly condemned the Armenian massacres of 1915 and lambasted the Young Turk government. --A.Garnet 20:48, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

 * That's it. You want me to be more explicit? Is the Holocaust Unique?: Perspectives on Comparative Genocide by Alan S. Rosenbaum, Westview Press, 1996. p. 128

 * As if these exterminatory operations were not enough,65 the new Kemalist regime, which on every occasion publicly had distanced itself from the previous Ittihadist regime on account of its criminal activities, after a lapse of sixteen months resumed the genocidal onslaught against the Armenians. Without declaring war, Turkish General Kâzım Karabekir in September 1920 attacked the fledgling Republic of Armenia in the Transcaucasus after having secured the formal authorization from Mustafa Kemal and his government in Ankara. Illequipped, ill-trained, and ill-prepared, and additionally fractured by the infusion of bolshevik propaganda that described the invading Turks as comrades and liberators, the untested army of the Republic folded rather quickly. Two factors considerably influenced the new Turkish élan to resume the genocidal drive. The victorious Allies were set to punish vanquished Turkey for wartime crimes, especially for the massacres against the Armenians, and concomitantly compensate the Armenians. They proceeded to redraw Turkey's boundaries for the benefit of a new Armenian state entity to be created in such a way that it was to bestride eastern Turkey and Russian Armenia in the Transcaucasus. More important, many of the leaders of the invading Kemalist army were those Special Organization leaders who during the war had played a key role in organizing and executing the genocide in Turkey proper. They were now reengaged as "freedom fighters" but actually resumed their genocidal task performance in the new occupied territories.66  By all accounts that performance yielded what might be called a mini-genocide against the Armenians in the region of Gümrü (Leninakan). According to Soviet and Armenian sources, in five months of Turkish conquest and occupation about 200,000 Armenians of the region perished.67

 * And before you start complaining that the book is biased, know that it uses McCarthys figure of Armenian population, and also present nearly the same survivor tables.

 * Oh and please stop putting words in my mouth again, and I don't like that. Kinross changing of view, was something general and not specific to what we are talking about here. Kinross reporting of Ottoman crimes and dissolution of Kemalist crimes was apologistic in nature, starting with the end of 30s, 40 and 50s such books were published quite often, when the Armenian question resurfaced, and the exposure as to why the allies left the Armenians down, and why the Kemalist regime was allowed to "live." And I can cite such works too if you'd want to. But this is irrelevant here. Halil was released from prison under the nationalist order, which was headed by Ataturk, Halil was sent in excurtion in the East, and this after he testified having killed 300 thousand Armenians. You are telling me that this is about Ataturk and not Kemalists, but again, I don't see how what his movement did(under his orders) is more irrelevant in an entry that has to do with him, than Greek crimes outside of the city of Smyrna, in an entry about Smyrna. As for preventing Russia to annex those lands. How many times have I to say that Alexendriopole was not part of the Ottoman Empire, neither Kars, they invaded Russian Armenia, they've left the entire place in destruction and starvation, the Kemalist excurtion made more Russian Armenian victims than the entire World War I. The Alexandriopole report alone recorded 150,000. Fadix 01:55, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Again, if your going to accuse a man of sanctioning a genocide, then you better be prepared to find at least one reference where he has given orders for the elimination of the Armenian race. This you cannot do, because you know Ataturk never gave such orders. You are putting two and two together to get five. You think that Ataturks authorisation for the recapture of provinces taken from Turkey (Kars, Ardaham, Batum lost to Russian in 1877, regained by Enver 1918 and lost again to Allies of WW1) is somehow proof that he should be accusesd of such things. Of course Ataturk authorised the invasion, he authorised every military movement until Indepence was fully reached. You think that sending Halil Pasha on what you call excursions (he was actually an unnoficial emmisary sent to secure financial assitance from the Soviets) is again somehow indicative of intentions to carry out genocide.

 * BS, provide me any orders writen by Outi leaders to exterminate the Toutis... provide me any orders signed by Hitler, ordering the extermination of the Jews. What you are doing is empty talks, you try to justify the exclusion of a claim, with your personal research. You can not delet scholarly conclusions with personal research and requests. I have provided references, and cited works, and what you find better to do, is to take that materal, and think what you have to answer to discredit the theses they advance. Using this sort of logic, I could dismiss any historical event on the same basis. p. 129 On the very same day that Ankara, through a cipher telegram, secretly ordered General Karabekir to wipe out Armenia through appropriate means ( November 8, 1920), it sent to the Armenian government in Yerevan a parallel telegram. In it the Kemalist government expressed its "profound and genuine friendship" ( amik ve samimi  ) toward the Armenian people, invoked the ideals of "humanity" (  insaniyet  ), and promised assistance to help Armenia recover economically and achieve "complete independence and security."   69  Consistent with this proclivity for cunning and trickiness, Ankara, in its order to obliterate Armenia, had advised the Turkish general to "deceive the Armenians" (  Ermenileri iǧfal  ) and "fool the Europeans through an appearance of peacelovingness. In reality, however, [  fakat hakikatde  ] the purpose of all this is to achieve the objective [stated above]." And your stupid answer: You think that Ataturks authorisation for the recapture of provinces taken from Turkey (Kars, Ardaham, Batum lost to Russian in 1877, regained by Enver 1918 and lost again to Allies of WW1) is somehow proof that he should be accusesd of such things. It defy reason, unbelievable, comming from someone that consume apologistic materials calling Armenians traitors, when the accusations were about Armenians wanting back their historic homeland. As for authorization..., it also shows what kind of screwed up logic you use. Kemal used the worst butchers of the special organization, he even made Sukru, the head of the special organization and the director of the concentration camps, the minister of the interior and secretary general.

What you are doing is defamation of character to the absoloute highest degree. You cannot show any intention on Ataturks behalf of sanctioning a genocide, yet you persist with such accusations on a page created to personally attack him. On the same note why dont we create a page entitled Criticism of Winston Churchill and accuse him of genocide for the Dresden bombings which killed 100 thousand and which were carried out under his orders. Why dont we create Criticism of Harry Truman and accuse him of genocide for dropping the atomic bombs. I will not engage in this argument again. --A.Garnet 20:01, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

 * What argument? You mean monologue? Again, you fail to understand, I'll write this in capital letters. I HAVE NOT TO SHOW ANY EVIDENCES OF INTENTIONS, BUT TO REPORT POSITIONS ABOUT A TOPIC, THIS POSITION EXIST, AND IS INCLUDED IN WORKS. THAT IS HOW WIKIPEDIA WORKS. IF THERE WERE CONSIDERABLE MATERIALS(MORE THAN A FRINGE), ACCUSING HIM OF SUCH, IT HAS TO BE INCLUDED, TO MAKE THE READER UNDERSTAND THAT SUCH A POSITION DO EXIST. I THINK THAT I HAVE WASTED ENOUGH TIME TO TEACH SOME USERS WHAT NEUTRALITY IS, AND I HAVE ENOUGH OF THIS. IT IS TIME CONSUMING, AND SHOULD BE THE TASK OF ADMINISTRATORS TO DO SO. Fadix 01:18, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh and: Some Armenians and Assyrians claim that Atatürk was responsible of sanctioning a Genocide against Armenians (Armenian Genocide) and the Assyrian Genocide.

DONT refer to what i say as Bullshit and DONT raise your voice to me again. I will continue to oppose the introduction of extreme minority views into Wikipedia. --A.Garnet 16:54, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * BSII..., you are in no position, as a person to oppose from original research. I have cited various works, and you are in no position to call this a minority view. Fadix 22:10, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Why wait? Remove unsourced material now. --Carnildo 00:07, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

 * It need to be entirly rewritten, I would like to do this, but I really have other projects. I'll see what I can do. I still believe that critics of Ataturks should go in Ataturks entry. Fadix 04:29, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Since there is no opposition, I'll reiterate my intention to turn the entire thing into a redirect unless there is significant effort (or willingness to undertake the aofrementioned tasks, at least) in the very near future. El_C 04:56, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't know if it is a good idea, at least, if the term should be redirected to Ataturks reform, and the material being deleted. For the reason that Ataturk reform is not inclusive of everything that "criticism" is meant to cover. What I think is to send this at Ataturks entry talk page, for further discussion and sourcing so it could later be added at Ataturks main page. Fadix 05:05, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm going ahead with it, for now. Feel free to add links to this article and any info contained therein on pertinent talk page(s). El_C 05:04, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Bogofilter

Jonathan Zdziarski claims that Bogofilter is not a Bayesian filter Slashdot Justifying Open Source Filtering I don't really know enough to say. Any ideas? --Pfafrich 13:00, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Paul Graham was not the first.
Paul Graham popularized the idea with his essay but he gives credit to a couple of others for the idea.

Look here:

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Talk:Colectivo

Praised by Urban planners?
¿Do you have any reference for this statement?--Km9 (talk) 04:55, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

 * In the Italian architectural journal Avitare, Fulvio Inace cites about the Colectivos: "Buenos Aires offers its residents one of the most highly organized and least expensive public transportation systems in the world.",  maybe data should be re-emphasized by moving it to a more predominant paragraph, will look for additional references! Lol, Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 13:55, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Things

 * Colectivo is not only a name. But a local tradition of Buenos Aires, with a large history.
 * From the bus-taxis to the truck-buses. Like that, Colectivo name was coined.
 * It is like the discussion of the Dulce de Leche, where the Mexicans know it like Cajeta. There is an article dedicated to the Dulce de Leche and another one to the Cajeta.
 * (note → and this is a Featured Article... Bathing machine)
 * And what about this ??? → Double-decker bus is that an article with nostalgic tones, with falses conclusions? --Zzzzzzus 17:00, 3 October 2005 (UTC)zzzzzzus

 * Although the Colectivo has a as long tradition as the one of the article.
 * And Argentina (and Buenos Aires) had and have a cultural weight in the world of great magnitude. Although this has little to do with our discussion.
 * The Death of the Colectivo is a consideration about the tradition. Obvious the porteños do not use massively taxis by now (2005). Because still there are buses :-D... But the tradition was lost. And this one is the opinion of specialists of the subject, that they even can be consulted in the references of the article. --Zzzzzzus 14:00, 19 September 2005 (UTC)zzzzzzus

Colectivos are still painted in distintive colours.
 * That is relatively true, because many lines are losing multiple colors, by other solids. --Zzzzzzus 14:00, 19 September 2005 (UTC)zzzzzzus

'Fileteado' is still visible
 * The Fileteado is extinguished. And I live in Buenos Aires and daily I see all the líneas of Colectivo. And in the 70s and 80s the Fileteado was really massive in all the units.--Zzzzzzus 14:00, 19 September 2005 (UTC)zzzzzzus

Blur, not death
The tradition of the Colectivo is not dead. But blurred.

It continues being recognized socially in Buenos Aires. But it was modernized. Also, they use simpler colors (only one, even), lost the fileteados. Are mostly Bus-Buses, etc.

Not so far like extinguished, as some investigator wrote.--Zzzzzzus 13:50, 20 September 2005 (UTC)zzzzzzus

Trivia
WOW!!! I love this section too !!! --Zzzzzzus 05:16, 2 October 2005 (UTC)zzzzzzus

Ehemm... Why not ???

 * It needs a lot of copyedit... I'll try to do it. If I can finish it, I will nominate. --Sebastian Kessel Talk 16:01, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I dont know I changed my mind ... whatever --Zzzzzzus 16:57, 3 October 2005 (UTC)zzzzzzus

 * Huh? What do you mean you changed your mind? I've been working on the article for the last hour! --Sebastian Kessel Talk 17:02, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Though overall it's well oriented, the article is greenish. Some common sense concepts were fucking distorted (grrr!!!) in the Copyedits...

If I'm not mistaken, the article of this Argenitnian "invention" arose the passions among the porteños, and our memories of life. We all want to give an opinion. But after all, I am still here in Buenos Aires and my family is in the business of the Colectivo.

Some day, may be (lol). But we have to work in some concepts. Also, some pictures should pass through my Photoshp.exe... --Zzzzzzus 03:54, 6 November 2005 (UTC)zzzzzzus

Peer Review
I am about to nominate this article for Peer Review. Please refrain from making changes not related to this review until this process is complete. Then, we can nominate for FA.

--Sebastian Kessel Talk 17:21, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

To add insult to injury
hahah that was great --Zzzzzzus 17:38, 3 October 2005 (UTC)zzzzzzus

The article is really beautiful... --200.126.134.131 13:12, 4 October 2005 (UTC)zzzzzzus

first section
Emphasize the fact that they competed with the English companies, at the beginning of the article... ...

 * ZZZ, I think it's plenty clear that "Colectivo" and "Bus" are two different things, especially since the spirit of the article refers to the individual Buenos Aires staple and not the concept of a multi passenger vehicle. The comparison is not that relevant and we need to keep the intro succint. See The perfect article and What is a featured article
 * --Sebastian Kessel Talk 17:44, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * ok... i agree with you ... Let us leave the commentary just in this section, then. But remember that for the porteño is: Perón, Malvinas, Maradona... blah blah blah, ;-D --Zzzzzzus 13:35, 4 October 2005 (UTC)zzzzzzus

Colectivos all around Argentina

 * To start with, there are colectivos all around Argentina, not just in BA. Ejrrjs | What? 20:57, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * True, although they don't share the same folk characteristics. Feel free to edit to accomodate this statements. --Sebastian Kessel Talk 21:00, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Thats not true. El Colectivo is just like the futbol (or almost everything in Argentina), something Metropolitano, unitarist. To think in other way is erroneous (and ridiculous). The real federalism of Argentina (a coincidence) started with Menem in 1990 (when the blurring of the colectivo tradition). Again the example of La Fiesta De Todos, Argentina played in Rosario, but all the histories are in the buildings of Buenos Aires... not "all around". That populism of the Proceso dictated this time that Argentina is: Buenos Aires, Futbol, Malvinas, Peron, etc... Yo can go to discuss that to Videla and the Military Forces of those years... But its not recommendable.--Zzzzzzus 15:21, 4 October 2005 (UTC)zzzzzzus

Mario Vargas Llosa

 * Santiago regresa al paradero, el colectivo que toma es un Chevrolet y tiene la :radio encendida, in Mario Vargas Llosa, Conversación en La Catedral (1969), :ISBN 8420484164
 * This is Lima circa 1955. Further descriptions indicate that it is the same :kind of public transportation than the original colectivo porteño. Perhaps some Peruvian wikipedian could help on this one. Ejrrjs | What? 21:14, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Chevrolet its only one kind of van-buses, before the arrival of Mercedes Benz. --Zzzzzzus 13:39, 4 October 2005 (UTC)zzzzzzus
 * I believe that these details are (somehow) superficial. Also were elements like some corporations of bus-buses, that lasted a decade (without the colectivo characteristics, and competed and they lost one more time because were pushed out of the system, eventually)... And some companies took the Mercedes Benz and pushed the motors to the back (called chanchas)... But its not the kind of things that appeared in La Fiesta de Todos, in example, that was a Mercedes Benz with knick nacks and fileteados, and nothing else... If Jorge Rafael Videla says... I wont discuss him... (its scary)--Zzzzzzus 13:45, 4 October 2005 (UTC)zzzzzzus

THIS IS WAR !!!... Survival of the Colectivo traditions Buenos Aires' streets
Dont worry the next are just commentaries to the Talk section...

In the last days (with all this Wiki article) I observed something very funny in Buenos Aires (and I live in the Once neighborhood and move around watching a lot of colectivos, daily; besides that my uncle is colectivero and owns a colectivo)...

Some lines are keeping the last blurred colectivo traditions delibertely. Like declaring: "this is a colectivo", with all the characteristics descripted in the WIki-article.

 * Lineas 60, 68, and others (20%)→ Mercedes Benz+Fileteado+Keeping colors. All this built out from the body of the units factories. (of Bus-Buses)
 * Lineas 86, 84, 135, and others (40%)→ El Detalle units + clean block of colors (white, blue, red). Like embarrassed to paint the units, and put fileteados, etc. And this lines before 1990 were just like the first ones.
 * Lineas 24, and others (40%)→ changing from the first to the second.

This is very notorious. With some of the líneas fighting with others to keep (or not) the tradition. That recognizes the argumentational lines of the article ... thats the evidence that this is the way the Colectivo tradition is.--Zzzzzzus 13:35, 6 October 2005 (UTC)zzzzzzus

Remember me ...
This article is beautiful. First Hollywood film or mod to Midtown Madness, please me, in the ... Argentinian Legion !!! :-D --Zzzzzzus 13:35, 6 October 2005 (UTC)zzzzzzus

Bigger main pic
A suggestion, Sebas: Wider the main picture of the colectivo 271, to the double of its actual size.--Zzzzzzus 06:46, 16 October 2005 (UTC)zzzzzzus

"corporate colors",
Sorry I really think it's irrelevant, and confuses who tries to discover the real Colectivo. I don't know... about this, I suppose that the most concrete example (that I saw in my life) could be 60-38 (in the 1980s daily there, in Barrancas de Belgrano). But sincerely, it's completely irrelevant. --Zzzzzzus 03:54, 6 November 2005 (UTC)zzzzzzus

 * ZZZ, it is actually very relevant. What is irrelevant is naming lines one by one. Colectivos are not present only in BA and mentioning one by one is not appropriate. Colectivo 60 has its own page, you're welcome to create more if you think it's good. Sebastian Kessel Talk 18:56, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Thats simply not true... Both things. Whatever. --24.232.152.200 01:50, 7 November 2005 (UTC)zzzzzzus

Anon comment
I live in Buenos Aires and I cannot really see local buses as cultural value. It is just a way of public transport, not very different from cities such as Paris. In fact, the transport industry is not something to be proud of. It has never been a good industry and is still losing a lot of money. Buses are not even maintained clean and they are the main contribution to pollution in the city (could be something to be proud of). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.89.168.229 (talk • contribs)

Paraguay
The buses in Paraguay are also called "colectivos" - should that be mentioned? zafiroblue05 | Talk 04:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * By all means. Is it the preferred word, or it is only also used? Mariano (t/c) 08:57, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Definitely preferred (particularly in rural areas). zafiroblue05 | Talk 12:55, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Added timing part to the trivia section
And I want to say this is real, and first time I went to USA I really got impressed about the "this bus arrives at 1.30 and then theres other at 2.30" thing. Here, theres no fixed time for colectivos, but since there are many, there is no mutch difference and for WORST (very worst) case, you should be waiting 20 minutes for another colectivo to pass --201.235.108.196 23:06, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

 * The differences is that in USA you have a bus per hour. Truth is that buses do have starting timetibles, they are just not made public, and the nature of traffic in a big city render them unpractical. You'll se that in big cities with heavy public transport (London, New York, etc) buses don't have a timetable at each bus-stop.
 * Another thing is that buses in less populated regions in Argentina do have [aproximate] timetables. I'll try to fix your paragraph. --Mariano (t/c) 14:18, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Fares
in the fares section it reads "...fare system which is cheap but tiring when making transfers which works similar to the Honour System of Fares."

I live in buenos aires and what i understand as "honour system of fares" is not what the fare system is really like.

Colectivo Facts:
In order to distinguish the Colectivo against other public transportation systems in the world, we have to emphasize the following Facts:

 * It's not a Government financed transport system.
 * It is one of the least subsidized systems in the world and one of the few systems where profitability is possible, they only receive "subsidized petrol" in order to keep fares low!
 * Each individual Colectivero owns his own bus–and is not a mere driver– which encourages them to fill them up as an incentive to making more money!

Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 14:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Latelly drivers are less commonly the owners of their own drived units. But it's worth mentioning that once it was very common.
 * The main difference is not the level of subside, but the fact that each line is a different company. Most cities have one single company.
 * Mariano (t/c) 14:49, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

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Bloomberg article needs to be worked in here. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  17:43, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

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Stamped concrete

Stamped concrete is concrete that has been imprinted, or that is patterned, textured, or embossed to resemble brick, slate, flagstone, stone, tile, wood, or various other patterns and textures. The practice of stamping concrete for various purposes began with the ancient Romans. In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, concrete was sometimes stamped with contractor names and years during public works projects, but by the late twentieth century the term "stamped concrete" came to refer primarily to decorative concrete produced with special modern techniques for use in patios, sidewalks, driveways, pool decks, and interior flooring.

History
The ancient Romans used basic concrete stamping techniques, as evidenced in well-known structures such as the Pantheon. In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, concrete companies who received government bids for public works projects sometimes used concrete stamps featuring the company name and sometimes the year in which the concrete was poured, creating a visible historical record of when certain sidewalks were made.

Concrete manufacturers started experimenting with modern decorative concrete techniques as early as the 1890s. In the 1950s, Brad Bowman—considered the "father" of modern concrete stamping—began developing and patenting new techniques for producing concrete that resembled non-concrete materials, such as flagstone and wood. He used wooden platform stamps that could imprint multiple pieces of concrete at once. Later, platform stamps would be made of sheet metal or aluminium. In 1956, Bill Stegmeier of the Stegmeier Company, discovered that a color powder used to impart an antiquing effect to concrete also had the property of preventing stamps from sticking to concrete, which opened up new possibilities. By the 1970s the demand for stamped concrete grew, and the material became a common component in building projects. In the late 1970s, manufacturer Jon Nasvik developed lightweight and durable urethane stamps for concrete. He later developed plastic stamps that could imprint both texture and pattern on wet concrete, making the process more efficient.

Modern stamped concrete increased in popularity in the 1970s in part because it was featured in the World of Concrete trade show. Builders saw it as a new way to satisfy the customer and make their budget work simultaneously. When stamped concrete for aesthetic purposes was first developed, there were very few choices of design and colors. However, as the industry grew more stamping patterns were created along with many different types of stains. Another advantage to using stamped concrete was that it could be applied to many different surfaces and textures, such as driveways, highways, patios, decks, and even floors inside the home.

In the twenty-first century, demand for stamped concrete in the non-residential construction industry has increased as part of a more general boom in demand for concrete products.

Modern techniques
The ability of stamped concrete to resemble other building materials makes stamped concrete a less expensive alternative to using those other authentic materials such as stone, slate or brick. There are three procedures used in modern stamped concrete which distinguish it from other concrete procedures: the addition of a base color, the addition of an accent color, and stamping a pattern into the concrete. These three procedures provide stamped concrete with a color and shape similar to the natural building material. It also is longer-lasting than paved stone, and still resembles the look.

Adding base color
The base color is the primary color used in stamped concrete. The base color is chosen to reflect the color of the natural building material. The base color is produced by adding a color hardener to the concrete. Color hardener is a powder pigment used to dye the concrete.

The color hardener can be applied using one of two procedures; integral color or cast-on color. Integral color is the procedure where the entire volume of concrete is dyed the base color. The entire volume of concrete is colored by adding the color hardener to the concrete truck, and allowing all the concrete in the truck to be dyed. Cast-on color is the procedure where the surface of the concrete is dyed the base color. The surface of the concrete is colored by spreading the color hardener onto the surface of the wet concrete and floating the powder into the top layer of the wet concrete.

Concrete can be colored in many ways; color hardener, integral liquid or powder, acid stains to name a few. The process of integrally coloring the concrete offers the advantage of the entire volume being colored; however, the surface strength is not increased as with the use of color hardener. Dry shake color hardener is another popular way to color concrete. You broadcast the hardener on the concrete as soon as it is floated for the first time. After letting the bleed water soak into the hardener you float and trowel it in. This method only covers the surface about 3/16 of an inch but it gives the concrete surface a longer wear life.

Adding accent color
The accent color is the secondary color used in stamped concrete. The secondary color is used to produce texture and show additional building materials (e.g. grout) in the stamped concrete. The accent color is produced by applying color release to the concrete. Color release has two purposes - 1) It is a pigment used to color the concrete and 2) It is a non-adhesive used to prevent the concrete stamps from sticking to the concrete.

The color release can be applied in one of two procedures based on the two forms it is manufactured in: powdered (cast-on color release made up of calcium-releasing powders that repel water); or liquid - which is a light aromatic-based solvent, spray-on color release. Cast-on color release is a procedure where the powder color release is applied by spreading the color release on the surface of the concrete before the concrete is stamped. Spray-on color release is a procedure where liquid color release is sprayed on the bottom of the concrete stamps before the concrete is stamped.

Stamping patterns
The pattern is the shape of the surface of the stamped concrete. The pattern reflects the shape of the natural building material. The pattern is made by imprinting the concrete shortly after it has been poured with a "concrete stamp". Most modern concrete stamps are made of polyurethane, but older "cookie cutter" style stamps were made of various metals. The old style stamps lacked the capabilities of forming natural stone texture.

Concrete stamping is the procedure which uses the concrete stamps to make the pattern in the stamped concrete. Concrete stamps are placed on the concrete after the color release has been applied. The concrete stamps are pushed into the concrete and then removed to leave the pattern in the stamped concrete.

In most cases concrete stamping is made to look like ordinary building products such as flagstone, brick, natural stone, etc.

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State Transit Authority

The State Transit Authority of New South Wales, also referred to as State Transit, was an agency of the Government of New South Wales operating bus services in Sydney. Superseding the Urban Transit Authority in 1989, it was also responsible for the provision of ferry services in Sydney until 2004 and bus and ferry services in Newcastle until 2017. It ceased trading after 2 April 2022 with its remaining operations to be contracted out by Transport for NSW to replacement operators.

History
In view of its political sensitivity, the agencies responsible for public transport in New South Wales are frequently restructured. Buses and ferries were the responsibility of the Department of Government Transport until 1972, when it was merged with the Department of Railways New South Wales to form the Public Transport Commission.

In July 1980, the separated the functions of the Public Transport Commission with the State Rail Authority taking responsibility for trains, and the Urban Transit Authority responsibility for buses and ferries.

In January 1989, the restructured the Urban Transit Authority as the State Transit Authority, taking over the private bus service functions of the Department of Motor Transport. In October 1989, the Chullora Bus Workshops closed with a smaller facility established at Randwick for mechanical repairs with body repairs contracted to the private sector. The remaining four hydrofoils were replaced by three JetCats and the MetroTen ticketing system introduced a few years before was replaced with the Automated Fare Collection System. The Opal card ticketing system was rolled out from 2013.

In December 1999, North & Western Bus Lines was purchased followed in February 2000 by Parramatta-Ryde Bus Service.

In 2004, the STA's Sydney Ferries business was separated into a separate agency, Sydney Ferries Corporation. In January 2005 most of former Harris Park Transport routes were taken over from Hillsbus, which were then returned to Hillsbus in September 2005 with the exception of routes 623, 624, 628 and 629. On 13 October 2013, the Western Sydney Buses route T80 was taken over by private operator Transit Systems.

Bus services in Sydney were operated under the Sydney Buses brand until 2016, when rebranded as State Transit.

Until 30 June 2017, State Transit also operated services in Newcastle and Lake Macquarie through Newcastle Buses & Ferries. These services are now operated by Newcastle Transport.

In February 2018, Transit Systems won the tender to take over State Transit's Sydney Bus Region 6 from 1 July 2018, including Burwood, Kingsgrove, Leichhardt and Tempe depots and 600 buses. In October 2019, it was announced that State Transit's remaining three bus regions are to be contracted out in early 2020. Region 8 was taken over by Keolis Downer Northern Beaches in October 2021 with 410 buses operating out of Brookvale, Mona Vale and North Sydney depots. Region 7 was taken over by Busways in January 2022. Region 9 was taken over by Transdev John Holland in April 2022.

Former units
The State Transit Authority also comprised three former business units.

Sydney Ferries
Sydney Ferries is the public transport authority for ferry services on Port Jackson in Sydney. It was established in 2004 as a government agency, separate of the State Transit Authority.

Western Sydney Buses
Formed in 2003, Western Sydney Buses operated route T80, a bus rapid transit service in Western Sydney on the Liverpool–Parramatta T-way. Passengers made 2.77 million journeys with Western Sydney Buses in the 2011/12 financial year. Western Sydney Buses operated out of a corner of Westbus' Bonnyrigg depot.

In November 2012, Transit Systems won the tender for Sydney Bus Region 3 which included route T80 with the service and 22 buses transferring on 13 October 2013.

Newcastle Buses & Ferries
Newcastle Buses & Ferries was a bus and ferry service operator in Newcastle and Lake Macquarie. It operated 28 bus routes plus a ferry service across the Hunter River between Queens Wharf and Stockton. The network radiated from a bus terminal near Newcastle station. Major interchanges were located at the University of Newcastle, Wallsend, Glendale, Warners Bay, Belmont, Charlestown Square and Westfield Kotara.

Newcastle Buses & Ferries ceased trading on 30 June 2017, with Newcastle Transport taking over.

Services
State Transit operated services in Sydney Metropolitan contract regions 6 to 9.

For school bus services, State Transit used 5/6/7xx series route numbers suffixed with E for East, N for North and W for West, while 89x routes were used for University of New South Wales services. Such university routes ceased as from Monday 21 December 2020, having been replaced by the CBD and South East Light Rail.

Fleet
State Transit inherited a fleet of 1,565 Leyland Leopards, Mercedes-Benz O305s, Mercedes-Benz O405s and MAN SL202s from the Urban Transit Authority. New buses were primarily purchased from Mercedes-Benz, Scania and Volvo. The fleet peaked at 2,172 buses in June 2017 before privatisation commenced.

In the early 1990s, State Transit adopted a white and blue livery with a red stripe. This livery with minor variations was retained until 2010, when the Transport for NSW white and blue livery was adopted. Buses dedicated to Metrobus services were painted in a red livery.

In 2017, State Transit purchased its first double-decker buses for use on B-Line services. These were painted in a yellow and blue livery.

Depots
Prior to privatisation, State Transit operated 14 depots.
 * Eastern Region
 * Port Botany (P)
 * Randwick (R)
 * Waverley (W)

 * Northern Region
 * Brookvale (V)
 * Mona Vale (F)
 * North Sydney (N)
 * Willoughby (M)

 * Southern & Western Region
 * Burwood (B)
 * Leichhardt (L)
 * Kingsgrove (K)
 * Ryde (Y)
 * Tempe (T)

 * Newcastle Region
 * Belmont
 * Hamilton

A fifteenth depot in Enfield closed in September 1989 being sold to the Maronite Church in 1993.

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