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Talk:Death of Azaria Chamberlain

Merge with "trivial bio"
Does Azaria Chamberlain really have an existance outside of the disappearance? It would seem that the bio should be merged into the disappearance story, with a redirect. --Randal L. Schwartz 17:20, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Agree. We should turn this into a redirect to Azaria Chamberlain disappearance, adding any material to the main article as needed and remembering that annoying task of updating an links to this page. - DavidWBrooks 17:29, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Azaria
I recall reading somewhere that "Azar" means "dice" in Arabic, so "Azaria" probably means something like "lucky" or "fortunate". Where does "Helped by God" come from? Bastie 09:11, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
 * There is a citation on Lindy Chamberlian's Official Website giving the title and publication details of the baby name book she relied on for the definition of the name which is the femine form of the biblical name Azariah. I'll try and get that and put it here. Lisapollison 22:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Arabic has nothing to do with it, and I'm not sure why you thought it would. It's from Hebrew.  The alternate male spelling being Azariah.  You can break it down as "azar" (meaning help or aid: see this) and "ia" or "yah" (see Yah).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.255.219.138 (talk) 17:15, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "I'm not sure why you thought it would." Probably because Arabic and Hebrew are closely related languages, just chock full of cognate words. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.104.43.19 (talk) 17:11, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Failed GA
Hi! I've removed this article from Good articles/Nominations due to the following:
 * Although inline cites are not a strict requirement for GA, an article of this type almost does require them.
 * The references section needs cleaned up quite a bit -- every reference shouldn't be italicized. Check out WP:CITE for help with that.
 * It could use a bit more wikifying.

It's a wonderfully written article, however, and would easily pass GA with those concerns addressed. Thanks! Air.dance 11:48, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the endorsement, Air.dance. This was the first article I started at Wikipedia and I didn't really know how to cite at the time. While the article has been significantly rewritten and improved by others since my initial contribution, I think I set a bad standard initially. You've reminded me though that this is an article I should really revisit when I get the time. I kinda dread rereading the court decisions to reference properly. Mattisgoo 23:03, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I too think the article would truly benefit with specific inline citations for its claims, such as the quote about Seventh-day Adventism being a "satanic cult," which I removed because it did not have a specific reference and seemed to need it to be there at all. Ans e ll  09:52, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I put that quote in as "dangerous cult" initially. Someone changed it to "satanic" recently for no good reason. The initial quote was not made up -- it's contained in one of the references at the bottom (but I don't remember which one). Another good argument in favour of inline references.Mattisgoo 00:42, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Erin Horsburgh
I'm removing most of this topic from the article, as there are no references to it anywhere except an ABC Mediawatch article that says The media exploited the delusions of a vulnerable young woman to keep this bogus story running for days and then goes on to say that none of the reports linking Erin Horsburgh to the Chamberlain case had any substance. Kevin 11:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

If anyone is interested in expanding this article some more, I suggest reading Chester Porter QC's "Walking on Water: A Life in the Law". Porter was the counsel assisting the Chamberlain Royal Commission and oversaw much of the forensic investigation that eventually exonerated her. He goes into substantial detail in his autobiography about debunking many of the lingering rumors, and I suspect it would be quite a useful source for this article. Rebecca 02:32, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Inline citations
How is anyone supposed to verify large edits such as this without inline citations for statements? There is a huge list of citations at the bottom, which actually makes it harder to find specific claims to verify them. Ans e ll 00:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

 * As the original author of a chunk of this article's uninlined content, I've come back and inline about 10 of the references that still directly related to sections of the content text. There's still more work to do. Mattisgoo (talk) 08:15, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Compensation
The article lists two estimates on the financial compensation:

"It is estimated that their legal fees exceeded five million Australian Dollars."

"Two years after they were exonerated, the Chamberlains were awarded AU$1.3 million in compensation for wrongful imprisonment, a sum that covered approximately one-tenth of their legal expenses."

Because of this, I am going to change it to one-fourth. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.69.139.154 (talk) 05:36, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

-- The picture of Azaria with her Mom doesn't look like an infant of 9 or less weeks of age. Infants generally do not have that kind of head control at 9 weekw.

Azaria's matinée jacket
In fact the jacket found was was not even in manufacture at the time of Azaria's disappearance - it started being produced at a later date and the authorities involved knew this. It was just that the Northern Territory Government was desperate for an excuse to release Ms Chamberlain as her case was a major embarrassment. Another example of the general public ( including jounalists and other commentators) blithely accepting what it is told without seeking supporting evidence (such as detailed photos and independent expert opinion). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pibroch1 (talk • contribs).

Citation required briantw "One man can make a difference." (talk) 22:10, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

The use of the term "exonerated" is quite inappropriate. There was no substantial evidence discovered which cast doubt on the convictions. The convictions were overturned on a technicality only. There remains every reason to be believe that the jury was correct.JohnC (talk) 10:55, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

You clearly don't know shit about the case, don't you. Hitthat (talk) 02:53, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the prosecution's entire case was totally discredited on numerous levels. Their expert witnesses were proven to be totally unreliable quacks; their "forensic evidence" was proved to be totally false; and subsequent fatal attacks on children by dingoes proved that the Chamberlain's version of events was obviously what really happened. The only "techincality" which overturned the ruling was... the truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.54.250.11 (talk) 17:32, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

"Fatal attacks on children by dingoes proved that the Chamberlain's version of events was obviously what really happened" - very flawed logic, my friend. It was always possible that a dingo had been involved, that does not mean that a dingo was involved. It is possible Azaria was abducted by a passing pedophile, that does not prove that this was what happened.124.197.15.138 (talk) 01:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

So it was a jacket that did not exist that the dingo removed without damaging it as a dog would, then the dingo put it under a rock. Since theres an inquest I hope they test the blood on the jacket since its not azarias!--60.242.71.160 (talk) 22:55, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

"...subsequent fatal attacks on children by dingoes proved that the Chamberlain's version of events was obviously what really happened." What absolute rubbish! Other dingo attacks only show that the story is plausible, it does not in any way "prove" that a dingo took Azaria. Islamic terrorists had previously launched terrorist attacks on the US (see the 1993 World Trade Center attack), but the fact that Islamic terrorists have launched attacks against US targets doesn't "prove" that Timothy McVeigh was innocent of the Oklahoma Bombing does it! Ridiculous to pretend that other, unrelated incidents PROVE this one! There are other women who have killed their infants (one was recently imprisoned for it), does that "prove" Lindy Chamberlain is guilty and made the dingo story up??? Of course not! If you're looking for such "evidence" the Aboriginal trackers is much better since they were following the traces left over by this specific occurrence.

My own particular "beef" with the new Coronial inquest is the absence of mention of the "human intervention", which was explicitly mentioned in the original inquest (which also, BTW, concluded a dingo killed Azaria and the Chamberlains were not involved). I somehow doubt that "further evidence of dingo attacks" somehow changes the questions about the disposal of the clothes! It is highly likely that someone (at the time, they may now be dead as it was 32 years ago) knew what happened to Azaria, and where her remains are located. It is surely outrageous that this person(s) didn't come forward at the time of the trial! --158.89.1.33 (talk) 03:57, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Also this statement "...the jacket found was not even in manufacture at the time of Azaria's disappearance - it started being produced at a later date and the authorities involved knew this..." I've heard this claim numerous times. But I also remember hearing (in Primary School no less) that "Azaria means sacrifice" and that "a dingo would not enter a tent" (coming from someone who lived bush most of her life too) etc. Is there any real evidence to back this up? I know the NT Government released her almost as soon as it was found and she identified it as Azaria's - they apparently conducted no test to verify that it was Azaria's, just took her word for it, even though they wouldn't "take her word for it" that she didn't kill her daughter. I did find it rather odd, but is there any real evidence as to what style the jacket was, and when it started being manufactured? Or is this just another one of those "urban myths" which have always surrounded this case? That said I have no time for the "opposite side" which just tries to ignore the "human intervention" which was found to have been involved in the disposal of the remains. If the police had recovered the body, many of the disputes about this case would be resolved, and Azaria could have a decent funeral.--158.89.1.33 (talk) 03:57, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

 * There was "human intervention" but it was never admitted by the person who intervened, and the person who witnessed the intervention didn't realised how significant it was.  When the jumpsuit, singlet and booties were found, the man that found them didn't touch them, but called the police. The police officer, as later recalled by the finder, did not hesitate but grabbed the jumpsuit, stuck his hand into it and pulled out what was inside, the singlet and booties.  The man that had found them regarded this as irregular, and bad policing.  The police officer then put the things back inside the jumpsuit in order to take a photograph.   This explains why the singlet was inside out, when Lindy Chamberlain said with certainty that she "never" put the children's singlets on inside out.  The police officer who had "intervened" did not come forward, either at the inquest or trial.  The man that had found the garments did not know how much weight would be given to the simple matter of a singlet being inside out, and that on those grounds Lindy would be accused, not of being "mistaken" in that instance,  but of being "a liar"!  As it happens, Lindy was neither lying nor mistaken.

 * On the matter of whether a dingo or dog could extract the baby from the jumpsuit, the answer is yes.
 * Dogs are like humans. The vast majority of dogs are of perfectly average intelligence: smart enough to fetch a ball, smart enough to wag at a friend, bark at a stranger and growl at an intruder.
 * On the other hand, an intelligent dog, like an intelligent human, learns all sorts of skills that a less intelligent dog does not have. Many people with corgis will affirm that their dog has a large vocabulary of understood words, and attempts to imitate spoken words, or tones of the human voice.
 * The intelligence of individual dogs often comes to notice when the dog acts in an apparently "thinking" manner in an emergency situation, such as dragging their master from the backyard to the front gate in order to alert a passer-by to the fact that he is unconscious. (Your average dog might lick his face.)
 * My whippet could get herself neatly out of her woolly jumper without damaging it. However, when a jumper was put on her that she could not get out of, she sliced (with her back teeth) through the multiple threads of loosely-knitted, fluffy wool (at the centre front) as neatly as if she had cut it with scissors.  The cut-line was perfectly straight for a distance of 3 centimetres. The wool was very fibrous, being part mohair.  There was no slobber and no sign of chewing. The process took only a few seconds.
 * A blue heeler with a liking for bananas will hold the banana between both paws, nip the top and peel the skin with his teeth as neatly as any human can do it. A less intelligent dog will just chew the banana until the flesh squashes out.
 * An intelligent dingo will neatly skin a rabbit before eating it. In the case of a baby in a jumpsuit, both the neck of the jumpsuit, and the neck of a typical Australian baby singlet are stretchy enough for the body of a small baby to pass through them. It would not have been hard for an intelligent dingo or dog to pull the jumpsuit off the baby, or the baby out of the jumpsuit.
 * Amandajm (talk) 06:25, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Azaria Chamberlain infobox
Could someone explain why the infobox at the top of the page, which lists only a name, DOB and DOD, also lists an age!?! This strikes me as extremely disrespectful... -Grammaticus Repairo 21:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Calm down, it's gone. Nick Cooper 22:52, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

 * The age was back again, and I removed it. It does sound potentially offensive, but it's also inaccurate.  She was aged two months, not zero years.  The calculator apparently isn't set up to deal with ages under one year.  -- AvatarMN (talk) 00:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

quick edit
edited so instead of saying one fourth says quarter 89.240.246.54 00:48, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Trivia section - Remove?
I'm very tempted to remove the Azaria_Chamberlain_disappearance section (perhaps mention the "The dingoes ate my baby!" thing, if a RS mentions it), or at least put it in a separate article/list/whatever we call them.

Comments?

dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 08:37, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I'd remove it. I'd also consider removing the crime category and See Also crime link. The event wasn't considered to be a crime after new evidence was eventually found. -- Longhair\talk 08:45, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I did as you suggested, and removed Australian crime for the same reason. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 08:59, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

 * The popular media section should have been moved to a separate article rather than completely removed. Many people will first seek information on "The dingo ate my baby" phrase by first seeking for it under the source by which they originally heard it.  -Fuze44  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuze44 (talk • contribs) 23:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

The material that was removed  that refers to the popular media seems adequately covered above. I am not sure what you mean by searching for the phrase but if necessary the phrase can be added back into the article elsewhere as appopriate.--Matilda talk 04:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

what's up with the last sentence in "Disappearance and subsequent discovery": she ate a dog that night  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.235.253.220 (talk) 02:38, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Pointless aditions to trial info
"Engineer Les Harris, who had conducted dingo research for over a decade, said that, contrary to Cameron's findings, a dingo's carnassial teeth can shear through material as tough as motor vehicle seat belts. He also cited an example of a captive female dingo removing a bundle of meat from its wrapping paper and leaving the paper intact." Both facts are completely irrelevant to the trial. A dingo's capability to tear through such strong material is ireelevant. What was relevant was whether a dingo made the same similiar incision marks to a scissor or a scissoring cutting tool, the mark that was left on the babies clothing. A dingo being able to unwrap a bundle of paper was irrelevant, especially as it didn't "unwrap" the child, it alledgedly cut through it's clothing and tore it apart.

"Evidence to the effect that a dingo was strong enough to carry a kangaroo was also ignored." So? It is irrelevant, thats why it was ignored. A dingo can carry a baby. It was never argued against. The argument against a dingo was that are not likely to and statistically don't.

It's technically POV pushing to place every single thing that was rejected in the trial up. Especially writing it as if it somehow adds to evidence they ignored of her innocence during the trial. 124.148.227.196 (talk) 02:22, 17 August 2010 (UTC) Sutter Cane

 * Obviously for the first group of investigating lawmen, it was very relevant whether a dingo can carry a 10 pound baby in its mouth. In the initial discussion of the case, officer John Lincoln filled a pail with ten pounds of sand and demonstrated to others how he couldn't support it in his mouth for even a minute. This was to demonstrate to his fellow officers that a dingo couldn't have carried the child away. It is also relevant to the defense's case whether a dingo's teeth could easily tear through a baby's jumpsuit and would not just consume the clothing as well as the child when eating. In summary, I don't see why you're complaining unless you think Lindy Chamberlain was guilty.TL36 (talk) 07:04, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Just want to say here that the type of material of the jumpsuit (of a type that most Australian babies wear) is not at all easy to tear. It is very stretchy fabric. And it is most unlikely that any canine creature would consume it, unless it was an extraordinarily stupid dog. Amandajm (talk) 04:02, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Current status
Shouldn't this : http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/lindy-chamberlain-dingo-did-kill-baby-azaria-3717029 be added...? (a new inquiry)

Another inquest - February 2012
According to this ABC News item:

This should probably be added to the article. (It may be that this is actually the same as the "fourth inquest ... expected to open in 2011" already mentioned in the Wikipedia article. The ABC news article does not mention any 2011 inquest.) Mitch Ames (talk) 00:12, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

 * Looks like someone already mentioned it, while I was writing my talk page entry.
 * Now we have under Current status - "A fourth inquest is expected to open in 2011" and under the lede and Coroner's inquests - "A third inquest was announced in December 2011". Something needs fixing. Mitch Ames (talk) 00:20, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

results: inquest has been concluded and the coroner has deemed a dingo or dog did indeed kill Azaria Chamberlain. source: http://www.news.com.au/national/dingo-took-azaria-coroner-finds/story-e6frfkvr-1226392715293

coroners report: http://www.nt.gov.au/justice/courtsupp/coroner/findings/other/chamberlain_findings.pdf

however it does raise several questions about some of the evidence suh as the locationof the clothes but is willing to accept them as coincidence. 152.91.9.153 (talk) 01:34, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The questions that were raised about the "location of the clothes" was a simple statement from the coroner at the first enquiry "I think they might have been more scattered, but they may not have been." Amandajm (talk) 04:23, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Please re write this section its really bad
"Engineer Les Harris, who had conducted dingo research for over a decade, said that, contrary to Cameron's findings, a dingo's carnassial teeth can shear through material as tough as motor vehicle seat belts. He also cited an example of a captive female dingo removing a bundle of meat from its wrapping paper and leaving the paper intact.[11] His evidence was rejected, however."

Firstly; in this article 'Cameron' as a character hadn't been introduced. WHO IS CAMERON? Secondly; 'His evidence was rejected, however' is a bit yoda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.96.46.187 (talk) 00:54, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

"That" or "which"?
I made this change:

on grammatical grounds, but it was reverted on the grounds that "Which is more correct in Australian English". However I disagree that "which is more correct in Australian English". WP:ENGVAR doesn't cover it. Which vs that does not mention Australian English at all. It does say that "in formal and informal British English that or which are both commonly used". I concede that Australia nominally uses British English (rather than US English) so one might argue that either is allowed and perhaps I shouldn't have changed it. However I assert that which is not "more correct in Australian ..." and - other things being equal - we should follow "the Chicago Manual of Style and other mainstream references" and use that.

Can I have the opinions of other editors please. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:30, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

 * I agree with you - it should be "that." briantw "One man can make a difference." (talk) 22:12, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

 * I also agree with the change to "that". The "more correct in Australian English" claim is completely spurious.  --   Jack of Oz   [your turn]  06:00, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

 * I've restored "that". Mitch Ames (talk) 13:44, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

 * Australia doesn't use British English. Australia uses Australian English. That the two varieties are closer to each other than they are to US English is no surprise considering history.  As the section you link to notes, the "rule" was championed by Fowler about a century ago but even he noted that "Some there are who follow this principle now; but it would be idle to pretend that it is the practice either of most or of the best writers."  It's a prescriptionist invention which US style guides have latched onto but didn't catch on outside of North America.  However, American style guides such as the Chicago Manual of Style have no relevance to Australian English, be other things equal or be they otherwise.  Do any of the "other mainstream references" you mention actually originate in Australia?  It's not a question of which is correct, they're both equally acceptable.  Thus I would argue that MOS:RETAIN does apply. J IM ptalk·cont 06:01, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well done, Jimp! Amandajm (talk) 01:54, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Bias in report on trial
Whether or not one agrees with the verdict, and whether or not the Chamberlains were actually guilty, it is not appropriate to say that the court "ignored" evidence. That is tantamount to accusing it of bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 (talk) 06:18, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

They WERE biased, and they DID ignore evidence. Those are not opinions; they are facts supported by eyewitness testimony and documented evidence. Read the source materials. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.54.250.11 (talk) 17:41, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

You really are a "Chamberlain partisan" aren't you! The evidence of people like "Les Harris" wasn't "ignored". To say it was "ignored" implies that the Court ruled it "inadmissible", and that the Jury (yes, it WAS a jury trial) were never given the opportunity to consider it. But clearly that evidence WAS presented to the Jury. Les Harris, from what is shown here (and my vague recollections) didn't "prove" "Lindy was innocent". All he did was give evidence that dingoes could bite through material as tough as seatbelts, and presumably could have bitten through Azaria's clothes. It didn't, however, provide evidence that a Dingo took Azaria - it was only Lindy Chamberlain's word, and tracker statements, which provided that. The point was that the Jury, at the time of trial, found the prosecution evidence more compelling than the defence evidence. You can feel they were wrong, or placed too much blind faith in the "experts", but it not the same as claiming that the defence evidence was "ignored". The Jury simply felt that on the balance of the evidence they saw that Lindy Chamberlain was guilty. To claim evidence was "ignored" is a step too far surely.--158.89.1.33 (talk) 03:57, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Redirect
At the top of this page was a redirect:

 * This redirect is in the worst possible taste. It ought not to be there, so I have removed it for the following reasons:

 * This article contains biographical information pertaining to living persons and they need to be treated with appropriate respect.
 * The quotation is inaccurate. It is not what Lindy Chamberlain actually said,  so it isn't relevant here.
 * Anyone who looks for those words is presumably looking for the fictitious band.
 * The notability of the fictitious band is very slight, by comparison with the weight of the offence that the redirect causes.
 * The band can be mentioned in the section about fiction.

Amandajm (talk) 02:35, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Removing the hatnote will not affect the redirect. I've filed an RfD here. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:38, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Paul! Amandajm (talk) 03:59, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Removing hatnote on the following grounds:
Amandajm (talk) 05:37, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) The misquotation of Lindy Chamberlain's statement was used as a form of ridicule and victimisation (of the innocent)
 * 2) The naming of the band "Dingoes Ate My Baby" was ridicule and victimisation (of the innocent)

Cut and paste of Wikipedia policy on victimization:

Avoid victimization
When writing about a person noteworthy only for one or two events, including every detail can lead to problems, even when the material is well-sourced. When in doubt, biographies should be pared back to a version that is completely sourced, neutral, and on-topic. This is of particular importance when dealing with living individuals whose notability stems largely or entirely from being victims of another's actions. Wikipedia editors must not act, intentionally or otherwise, in a way that amounts to participating in or prolonging the victimization.

'NOTE': I have put the matter on the  Biographies of living persons noticeboard. I believe the matter of "victimization" needs to be discussed there, before the hatnote is added again.

Amandajm (talk) 05:58, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

 * As more fully discussed in the Noticeboard thread, I do not consider the hatnote to be a BLP violation. Until and unless the article about the band is deleted AND the similar redirect to this page are deleted, the hatnote belongs on this page.  Many of the subjects of Wikipedia biographies were the subjects of ridicule for one reason or another.  Where that ridicule itself became sourcable and noteworthy, it gets included in the biography.  The ridicule must be discussed neutrally and with due respect for the subject of the biography but that does not mean the topic of the ridicule must be unilaterally censored out.  This page should be treated exactly the same way.  Rossami (talk) 20:58, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

 * This is not "unilateral" censorship. The Red Pen of Doom  supports the deletion, as you are well aware.  You have responded to Red Pen's posting on the relevant page.
 * The ridicule is indeed part of the subject of the article. It is the hatnote that is offensive, because it is extremely confronting.
 * Let me say again, without shout, Wikipedia search "dingo" and "baby" or Google "dingo" and "baby",  and it will lead to the Wikipedia article. The redirect to a misquotation is superfluous and needs to be deleted as well.
 * In the name of human decency, let us not offend these people more than they have been offended already.
 * Amandajm (talk) 02:30, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * As a clarification, I support the analysis that as a potential signifigant BLP infraction it should be removed from the article until such time as a consensus has been determined that there is a justification to include it in the article. -- The Red Pen of Doom  15:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * As has been noted before, the ease of which users can find the topic via Google is irrelevant to Wikipedia's policy on use of redirects and disambiguating hatnotes. Moreover, your own observation that the meme is so widespread undercuts the argument that anything we say here will have any impact on the opinions or reactions of the family.  This is not an issue of "human decency".  Rossami (talk) 12:04, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * that there is widespread other harmful stuff out there does not in any way remove Wikipedia's obligation to not be a participant in the same. -- The Red Pen of Doom  12:19, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No, this isn't just about how quickly Google responds to "dingo baby". It is about how Wikipedia's Search and other searches such as Google, respond to "dingo baby".
 * So the argument above is not relevant.
 * Amandajm (talk) 02:22, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

motive?
One aspect of the case against Lindsay Chamberlain that is conspicuous in its absence from the article is what the prosecution claimed was her motive for murdering her infant daughter. Surely a motive was at least suggested in the trial or in the media. Murder trials never lack in motives -- real, plausible or absurd. Why no mention of one or more of them here? If anyone has good sources for claimed motives, please add it to the article. Bricology (talk) 07:13, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

There was Media comments about Azaria supposedly being injured in a fall and the Chamberlin's allegedly killed her because they did not want a disabled child. There were even imaginative speculations of Black Magic sacrifices which had the Chamberlin's standing in a circle of naked witches offering up Azaria to some diabolical Pagan Deity. There were also comments about the Chamberlin's being 7th Day Adventists, some speculated their religion was a Cult capable of human sacrifice.Johnwrd (talk) 06:27, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

The movie 'A Cry in the Dark'/'Evil Angels' had scenes of the Australian public gossiping and speculating that the Chamberlains only wanted sons and would murder any daughters because Seventh Day Adventism is a sexist religion or that Michael and Lindy Chamberlain murdered their daughter because she screamed and cried too much and they were tired of a difficult baby. I am fascinated with the case but I still haven't read through the reports of the trial so I don't know what the prosecutions alleged motive was. This is just an example of some of the rumours that may have swayed the jury. 17:20, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Huge Delay
Can anyone add information about the HUGE DELAY between the discovery of the jacket, the key missing piece of evidence, in 1986 and the finding this month of the cause of death?

Yes, things take time, but 26 years?! Wanderer57 (talk) 17:50, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

It takes time to well and truly put someone through the legal wringer. A Royal Commission vindicated the parents in 1987; then they were pardoned; then the convictions were quashed in 1988. So ... they've been "not guilty" since then. Getting a new Coroner's finding has been the open issue that the parents wanted resolved. After 7 years, a 3rd inquest was held but left the verdict open. The government decided not to hold a 4th inquest after 6 more years, in 2004. Then they did hold one after another 8 years, and that's the recent one that once again blamed dingoes. Why 6, 7, 8 years between action? I dunno. http://guides.sl.nsw.gov.au/content.php?pid=242811&sid=2095354 ... Flagstonia (talk) 23:30, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Media and cultural references
How does one decide what is notable and "encyclopedic" here and what is not? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:35, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * de-listifying is always a good start. If you cannot create an intelligent, informative, complete sentence that sounds OK in a paragraph rather than a bullet list, chances are you don't really need it. and the second is to have a third party source that talks about more than the existence of the reference; the source provides a context or explains how/why/impact. -- The Red Pen of Doom  11:37, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ex- "The Simpsons made a joke about a dingo. Here is the joke ..."  (bad - nothing other than existence)
 * ex - "After the Simpons epdisode joked about dingos, the average viewership in Australia dropped by half, (footnote-that links drop in viewership to the joke) while tourism from America increased by 10%.(footnote-that links increase in american tourism to Simpons joke)" (good - real world impact)
 * ex- "The incident became a common symbol for people becoming caught in bad lies and was used as such as a punchline in Seinfeld and other comedy routines. (footnote - that specifically ties the incident to "common symbol for lies" and Seinfeld and other shows) (good - explains context for the joke)-- The Red Pen of Doom  11:47, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

 * But just press mention? One assumes that stories like this one may just reflect what a journalist has found in this article. So just circularity? Or true third party notabiity? How does one tell? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:22, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I would look to the analysis provided in the source, and the background/reputation of the person/publisher making the analysis. In the source you link to, the analysis seems to be "became deeply embedded in American pop culture" which she bases on examples that were also listed in the Wikipedia article. (We dont know whether she got the examples she used from Wikipedia or not.) So then, you would look at the background of the author/publisher. Do they have a reputation for publication/scholarship in the applicable topic (ie culture, comedy, crime)? if so, then their imprimatur on the analysis, whether the examples originated in Wikipedia or not, is generally enough to satisfy. (WP:SELFPUB might be helpful)
 * In this case, I think The Atlantic has such a reputation and so could be used as a source for article content along the lines of The incident served as comedy material for American shows such as Seinfeld (footnote to source describing Elaine joke) and The Simpsons (footnote to source describing Bart joke) and "became deeply embedded in American pop culture" serving as "a punchline [readers of The Atlantic] probably remember hearing before [they] knew exactly what a dingo was."(footnote to Atlantic). -- The Red Pen of Doom  12:52, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

I think that if an incident is the inspiration for an entire work*, (such as a book or movie or television episode that is notable in its own right or whose author is notable) that book or movie or episode is also appropriate to mention within a "Media and Cultural impact" section- it has had real world impact. Particularly if third parties have commented on the connection. (*not just a single throw away joke within the work)-- The Red Pen of Doom  13:10, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

 * I entirely agree with the points made here. Amandajm (talk) 01:52, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Media_and_cultural_references / Seinfeld and The Simpsons ie trivia
Yes we can identify that Seinfeld and The Simpsons made a joke about this incident, but if that is all we can do - so what. It is not encyclopedic. Seinfeld referred to dozens of cultural events every episode for twenty plus episodes for 10 seasons, The Simpsons refers to dozens of cultural events for 20 plus episodes for over 20 seasons.

The mere fact that this event was the butt of a single joke on each show is mere trivia without some third party analysis showing why the joke was important. If this were NOT the butt of a joke, THAT might be something.-- The Red Pen of Doom  10:36, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree. The Simpons especially is packed with one-liner even half-liner gags based on cultural references and observations. But this case is seen as so unusual (even though statistically it may not be) that its cultural reach has been immense. I think we need some way of showing how wide that reach has been. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:43, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I support this. Amandajm (talk) 03:55, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Hatnote
Above, there was reference to an ongoing RfD, which I have just closed as a keep (see Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 June 14). Now that that's resolved, should the hatnote be restored? I don't hugely care one way or another, though I personally would be inclined to restore it, but I figured someone should bring it up. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 17:09, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem with this is that the matter is the subject of discussion over the potentially offensive nature of the Hatnote itself. The discussion had been moved. It should not have been "closed a Keep".
 * Biographies of living persons noticeboard. Amandajm (talk) 01:51, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The RfD is closed now, so this is largely procedural on my part. The consensus seemed to be that the redirects were fine, so the next step would be determining whether the hatnote should be there.  I'm personally not convinced of "offensiveness", or that it's really our problem on Wikipedia (I'm not seeing anywhere that BLP overrides something like NOTCENSORED, which I'm not one to bring up much but I think applies here), but again I don't care much one way or another.  The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 02:16, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The fictional band is such a marginal topic, that we wouldn't lose much by not having a hatnote. I'm fine going without it. Ego White Tray (talk) 22:20, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * See Talk:Dingoes ate my baby. Peter James (talk) 22:50, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * "Marginal topic" isn't relevant, and it's not so marginal that nobody would look for it - it survived two AFDs and was merged after the third. It's ambiguous (or if unambiguous only refers to the band - it's possible that that particular misquote is only sufficiently searched for because of use in fiction). Because of that, to point the redirect here requires a hatnote somewhere - on the redirect, which is only possible with a soft redirect, or here. Peter James (talk) 23:11, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * A soft redirect with a hatnote is not a redirect at all, but a crappy disambiguation page, and the disambig was voted to be deleted. Ego White Tray (talk) 01:39, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Car added to museum collection
Death of Azaria Chamberlain - Apparently the entire car has now been added to the museum collection. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:14, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

The play by Brooke Pierce
I'm fascinated with the case, ever since I saw Lindy Chamberlain being used as an example of false associations on a crime documentary about lying people in crimes. However I can't find any information outside this article on Wikipedia (or on other sites which simply copy-paste this article) about either a playwright named 'Brooke Pierce' or a play by Brooke Pierce on the subject of this miscarriage of justice. 90.203.53.112 (talk) 17:19, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

This needs more attention and I've added a citation needed tag. I am also unable to find any evidence that Brooke Pierce wrote a play about this (except for articles quoting the Wikipedia article). Justin Bacon (talk) 19:18, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, this is the same person in the first comment about the play and I did some more research. This is a playwright called Brooke Pierce but information on the plays she has written is a bit sparse. Glad someone else added 'citation needed' to the article DangePowers (talk) 18:45, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

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This article should have a section about "the events of 17 August 1980". As it now stands, the article jumps from the lead to the coroner's inquest. There is no info about the night of the baby's disappearance and death. And that indeed is the very title of this article! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:58, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I propose to merge Michael Chamberlain and Lindy Chamberlain-Creighton into this page (Death of Azaria Chamberlain) according to WP:1E and WP:BLP1E. Brinerat (talk) 20:30, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose It does not appear that any of the three criteria for merging under WP:BLP1E are met—firstly, the trial and legal occurrences involving the Chamberlains following Azaria's death are separate events; secondly the Chamberlains did not remain low-profile individuals, and the death and subsequent events were significant and well-documented (see the example of John Hinckley Jr.). --Canley (talk) 03:44, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Against merge they should be kept as three different articles.Catfurball (talk) 19:15, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Canley and per WP:BIO1E... if media coverage of both the event and the individual's role grow larger, separate articles may become justified and If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate. In this case, separate articles are both justified and appropriate. JennyOz (talk) 08:39, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose - largely per Canley's well thought out !vote above. I can see where the nominator is coming from as there is some overlap between all three articles, but all the articles have enough coverage to be independently notable from one another so that the one event standards are surpassed. Inter&anthro (talk) 16:34, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Nonsense text
The third paragraph of the introduction section (before "Contents") begins with "In the U M After being released". Why is the "In the U M" part here? It makes no sense at all.58.80.201.106 (talk) 01:16, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks IP. The changes that introduced the error have been undone. JennyOz (talk) 05:38, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 June 2023
Addition to “Media and cultural impact” section: Theatrical production Playwright Alana Valentine conceived a production in 2013, featuring criticism and outrage towards Lindy Chamberlain surrounding the events and aftermath of the death of Azaria. The production continues a decade later; in 2023 amateur theatre company Milton Follies starred Ashley Howes as the Lindy. 2001:8004:C31:EE24:1C5D:A5B5:B315:2760 (talk) 10:14, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

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Arnar Grétarsson (born 20 February 1972 in Reykjavík) is an Icelandic former professional football player and current manager of Valur.

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Darrel R. Falk (born 1946) is an American biologist. He is Professor Emeritus of Biology at Point Loma Nazarene University and is the past president and a current senior advisor with BioLogos Foundation, an advocacy group that emphasizes compatibility between science and Christian faith.

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Falk attended Simon Fraser University, originally planning to become a medical doctor. In his second university semester, he signed up for Introduction to Biology, Genetics, and Developmental Biology. Falk graduated from Simon Fraser University in 1968 with a Bachelor of Science degree in Biology. He then completed his Ph.D. from the University of Alberta in 1973.

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Satish Ranjan Das  (1870–1928) was the Advocate-General of Bengal and later the Law Member of the Executive Council of the Viceroy; he was sometime treasurer of the Boy Scouts of Bengal and the Lodge of Good Fellowship, and a prominent member of the reformist Brahmo Samaj in Bengal. Das was part of a group of moderate Indian nationalists that sought to create a "British-style" public school in India, which ultimately led, after his death, to the creation of The Doon School.

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Lost her voice?
"In 2016, Volkova talked for the first time about her disease, revealing that in 2012 she was diagnosed with thyroid cancer. During a complex surgery to remove the tumour, her laryngeal nerve was damaged, so Julia lost her voice forever." is unsourced and seems sort of sketchy. If she totally and permanently lost her voice, how would she be giving interviews or performing after that point? I did a quick search on YouTube and Google, and there appear to be interviews and performances after that point. Now, granted, these could be old recycled stuff from before 2012, but it definitely needs to be investigated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimindc (talk • contribs) 15:01, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Requested move
I think the page should be moved to one of the above, my reasoning is, why is there a need to include her middle name, and possibly, would it not be better to list it under here English name. - Gerbon689 15:35, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

 * This requested move has been listed on WP:RM since 5 September. It would appear that no one else has an opinion about where the article should go. Do you have a preference between the two options above, or should we just leave it where it is? –Hajor 03:57, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Over here in the States, her first name is most often transliterated as "Julia" or even "Yulia". I have no preference between the two spellings above as long as a redirect gets made to the other. --Kyle Davis 05:25, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * If it's most common, and the article agrees it is usual, we should do it. Septentrionalis 23:46, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Please note that Russian patronymics are not just "middle names". They're a lot more important than most English middle names. But I agree that there's no point in having it in the article title.
 * Peter Isotalo 23:51, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Move decision
Oh goody! One where I actually get to decide :) - well, considering I've usually heard her called Julia and the fact that the article refers to her that way I moved it there and fixed the double redirects. Take care! Ryan Norton T 07:47, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Relationships
Is it really neccesary to keep information here about all her relationships? She split up with Tigran a year ago, it seems pretty pointless to still have it in her article. The Proletarian 00:04, 7 January 2007 (GMT)

Improper cut and paste move
This is an orphan left behind because of an improper cut and paste move. There is no article at Julia Volkova now; it is a redirect as a result of that improper move. See additional discussion at Talk:Yulia Volkova, a distinct talk page. Gene Nygaard (talk) 17:59, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Julia vs Yulia
Julia isn't a stage name - it's just a different latinisation of the Russian Юля; it's the same name as Yulia. cwmacdougall 22:55, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

 * Yulia is the correct pronunciation in English language, with Julia additional info is needed. Julia in English, as in Julia Roberts, is pronounced differently. And there is no pronunciation info for her name. In Finnish (+Estonian) and Swedish, it is spelled correctly with the J, don't know about other languages. 82.141.64.209 (talk) 19:24, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Eralash
Someone should mention the Eralash television program Julia was on as a child. The singer from Glukoza was also on it. It would be like informing people that Britney Spears was a Disney actress. 69.159.38.175 (talk) 19:49, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

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Is 10 years old, can we get a newer one please? Crisis. E X  E   10:17, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

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Nadeen L. Kaufman

Nadeen L. Kaufman (born January 1945) is an American psychology professor known for her work on learning disability.

Biography
Born in Brooklyn and raised on Long Island, she earned a Bachelor of Science in Education from Hofstra University in 1965; master's degree in Educational Psychology from Columbia University in 1972; Ed.M. in Learning and Reading Disabilities from Columbia University in 1975; and Ed.D. in Special Education—Neurosciences from Columbia University in 1978 (under Margaret Jo Shepherd). She completed a predoctoral internship and a postdoctoral fellowship in Psychology at Yale University.

Kaufman has taught learning-disabled children and worked as a school psychologist, learning disabilities specialist, university professor, and founder-director of several psychoeducational clinics. She also was a direct participant in the development and standardization of the McCarthy Scales and WISC-R.

Nadeen has been married to psychologist Alan S. Kaufman since 1964. From 1974 to 1997, Kaufman and her husband trained school psychologists and clinical psychologists, and supervised graduate-student research, at the University of Georgia, the National College of Education in Evanston, Illinois, the California School of Professional Psychology in San Diego, and the University of Alabama. The research team that they supervised while at the University of Georgia in 1978-79 helped the Kaufman's to develop the original K-ABC. The Kaufmans’ went on to create several other psychological and educational tests, including the Kaufman Test of Educational Achievement (K-TEA/NU), Kaufman Brief Intelligence Test (K-BIT), and the second editions of both (KTEA-II and KBIT-2). The Kaufman Survey of Early Academic and Language Skills (K-SEALS) and the Cognitive/Language Profile of the Early Screening Profiles address the preschool level. The Kaufman Adolescent and Adult Intelligence Test (KAIT), the Kaufman Short Neuropsychological Assessment Procedure (K-SNAP), and the Kaufman Functional Academic Skills Test (K-FAST) extend through the adult life span.

Both have been at Yale University's Child Study Center in the School of Medicine since 1997.

In 2004/2005, revised versions of the Kaufmans' tests were published, including the KABC-II, KTEA-II, and KBIT-2. The KABC-II integrates both the PASS and CHC theories of intelligence.

Their son is psychologist James C. Kaufman. Their daughter is a clinical and forensic psychologist Jennie Kaufman Singer. Dr. Kaufman also has 8 grandchildren and one great-grandchild.

Honors

 * Fellow of APA's Division 16 (School Psychology).
 * School Neuropsychology Summer Institute KIDS, Inc. Lifetime Achievement Award, 2012. She received the award jointly with her husband.

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Lamerd

Lamerd is a city in the Central District of Lamerd County, Fars province, Iran, serving as capital of both the county and the district.

Ethnicity
Lamerd was historically part of the region of Irahistan. The people of Lamerd are known as the Achomi people.

Population
At the time of the 2006 National Census, the city's population was 21,365 in 4,921 households. The following census in 2011 counted 25,131 people in 6,572 households. The 2016 census measured the population of the city as 29,380 people in 8,529 households.

Industry
The city's main industries are based on its rich natural gas sources. Tabnak, Homa, Shanol, Varavi are important local gas zones.

Transportation
Lamerd International Airport opened in 1964, with flights to Tehran, Shiraz, Lar, Lavan and international flights to Bahrain, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, and Qatar.

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Kime

Kime (決め) is a Japanese word. It is the noun form of the verb "kimeru," which means "to decide,". (Random House, 1996, Japanese-English, English-Japanese Dictionary, p. 126).

Kime is a commonly used Japanese martial arts term. In karate it can mean "power" and/or "focus," describing the instantaneous tensing at the correct moment during a technique. The tension at this time is mostly focused on the dantian ("hara") and abdomen. In judo, the "Kime-no-kata" is often translated to "Kata of Decision." In other budō, the term refers to attacking a pressure point.

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Ginetta Cars

Ginetta Cars Limited is a British specialist builder of racing and sports cars based in Garforth, Leeds, West Yorkshire.

20th century
Ginetta was founded in 1958 by four Walklett brothers (Bob, Ivor, Trevers and Douglas) in Woodbridge, Suffolk. Their first product, the Fairlight, was a glass-fibre body shell priced at £49 for fitting to a Ford 8 hp or chassis. The first car, not destined for production, which subsequently became known as the Ginetta G1, was based on a pre-war Wolseley Hornet six.

The four Walklett brothers each had their areas of expertise: Bob was the managing director, Douglas was the mechanical engineer and also handled the electrical work, Ivor was the designer and Trevers was the stylist, working closely with Ivor.

From their original base, the company moved to Witham, Essex, in 1962, and between 1972 and 1974 operated from larger premises in Ballingdon Street adjacent to the railway bridge Sudbury, Suffolk, before returning to Witham. In 1988, the Walklett brothers needed bigger premises and so moved the company to Scunthorpe where they could expand. On 7 November 1989, the Walkletts sold Ginetta to an international group of enthusiasts, based in Sheffield and run by managing director Martin Phaff. Ginetta was in a strong financial position at the time of its sale and the Walkletts went on to retire.

Under Phaff, the company went on to produce the Ginetta G20 and the Ginetta G33. It was during this period that the company hit troubled times.

21st century
In late 2005, Ginetta was acquired by LNT Automotive, a company run by racing car driver, engineer and businessman Lawrence Tomlinson. His aims were in line with the founders; to produce innovative, capable and great value sports cars.

In mid-2007, Ginetta moved to a factory near Leeds, with a target to sell 200 cars per year. Tomlinson himself penned the base specification for the Ginetta G50, which marked 50 years of Ginetta production and became a successful GT4 car.

In March 2010, Ginetta acquired the Somerset-based sports car manufacturer Farbio, and re-badged their car as the Ginetta F400. In March 2011, Ginetta launched the G55, which competed in the Michelin Ginetta GT Supercup and was built to comply to the GT3 class regulations. In October 2011, Ginetta launched the G60, a two-door mid-engine sports car developed from the F400 and powered by a Ford-sourced 3.7 litre V6 engine.

In 2017, Ginetta acquired Blyton Park test circuit near Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, as a proving track to help develop road and race models.

Models
Models produced by Ginetta include the following:

G2
Ginetta's first car, the G2, was produced as a kit car for enthusiasts and consisted of a tubular frame chassis to take Ford components and aluminium body. About 100 were produced.

G3 and G4
The G3 was introduced with a glass fibre body in 1959 to be followed by the G4 in 1961.

The G4 used the new Ford 105E engine and had a glass fibre GT-style body along with the suspension updated to coil springing at the front with a Ford live axle at the rear. Whereas the G2 and G3 had been designed for racing, the G4 was usable as an everyday car but still was very competitive in motorsport with numerous successes. In 1963, a coupé variant was introduced alongside the open-top variant and a BMC axle replaced the Ford unit at the rear. In road tests, the car attains a top speed of 120 mph with a 1,500 cc engine. The series III version of 1966 added pop-up headlights. Production stopped in 1968 but was revived in 1981 with the Series IV which was 2 in wider and 3 in longer than the III. Over 500 units were made up to 1969 with a variety of Ford engines.

G4 Series IV
The G4 was re-introduced in 1981 as the G4 Series IV, with a new chassis. It was produced through to 1984 with approximately 35 examples built. The Series IV was powered by a 1,599 cc Ford four-cylinder engine.

G10, G11 and G12
Launched at the 1965 Racing car show, the Ginetta G10 was meant to be a more powerful racing car than its predecessors. Weighing around 900 kg and fitted with a 289 cuin V8 engine from the Ford Mustang, it was well received by the enthusiasts. Ginetta works driver Chris Meek secured a win with a prototype at the car's debut at Brands Hatch, beating a Jaguar E-Type which was considered to be the most successful GT racing car. However Ginetta failed to make a homologated version of the G10 in order for it to keep competing and as a result, it was forced out of the competition with a total production of only three cars. Following the reception the G10 had generated, Ginetta produced the G11, a street legal version of the G10 with the same body but with the Ford V8 replaced by the MGB 1800 engine. However, slow deliveries of the engine curbed production of the car and therefore only a handful were made.

Unveiled in 1966, the G12 was an evolution of the G4 but had many new features that made it stand apart from its predecessors. The car had a new tubular steel space frame chassis, with the cockpit section mounted to it for extra strength, while removable body work allowed for easy repair. The front suspension consisted of Triumph-derived uprights and double wishbones (with camber adjustment courtesy of rose-joints on the upper items) and coil springs. While, at the rear, the usual arrangement of single upper transverse links with lower reversed wishbones (with rose-joints) and radius arms was present, along with coil springs. The car was fitted with anti-roll bars for increased safety, and the Triumph-sourced Girling disc brakes at the front and rear ensured increased stopping power. Power came from a 1.0 litre Cosworth SCA inline-four engine, though larger engines were fitted later such as an Aston Martin V8, but were less successful. The G12 dominated the competition in its class, outclassing Lotus Elan 26Rs and Coventry Climaxes, winning the 1,150 cc MN series. Outside track racing, the G12 also found success at hill climb events, before it was replaced by the G16. Approximately 28 were built.

G15
In 1967 the G15, utilizing a rear-mounted 875 cc Sunbeam Imp engine, was launched. This two-seat coupé had a glass fibre body bolted to a tube chassis and used Imp rear and Triumph front suspension. Approximately 800 were produced from 1967 to 1974 and the car was fully type approved allowing for complete Ginetta cars to be sold for the first time. Eight G15s were produced with Volkswagen engines and called "Super S".

G21
In 1970, the G15 was joined by the larger G21, which was initially available with either a 4-cylinder 1.75 litre sourced from the Rootes Group (Sunbeam) or a 3.0 litre Ford Essex V6 engine. The car largely used Rootes components. The 1.7 litre Sunbeam Rapier engine subsequently became the standard four-cylinder engine for the car. 80 cars in total were produced before production ceased in 1974 due to the oil crisis. The car was later morphed into an open top G23 and G24 coupé version but none of those variants went to production.

G19 and G20
The G19 was a single seater Formula 3 racing car of which only one was produced.

GRS Tora
Trevor Walklett owned a 1968 Hillman Hunter which had been put up due to rust. Inspired by the success of the Dutton Sierra estate kit car, Ginetta developed a Range Rover-inspired fibreglass station wagon body for installation onto the Hunter's underpinnings. Called the GRS Tora Mark I it was first shown in October 1982, going on sale the next year. Although it was a two-door estate, it used the front doors of a four-door Hunter. These are shorter than a normal two-door design, leading to limited rear seat access and somewhat awkward proportions. More troubling was that the Hunter's fuel tank and filler location meant that the rear gate opening was very high, limiting the cars utility. In October 1983, a GRS Tora Pickup was shown. In August 1984, the GRS Tora Mark II started deliveries. This version rectified the concerns with the rear opening, with a relocated fuel tank (and filler now mounted on the flank of the car) allowing for a full-height rear gate. Being more expensive than the simpler Mark I model the two were offered side by side. Sales of the GRS Tora helped Ginetta stay afloat in the 1980s, but by 1988 Tora production gradually came to a halt as the market was changing and donor cars were becoming rarer.

At the July 1989 Newark Kit Car Show, Ginetta showed a GRS Tora Mark III. Unlike previous models, this was a four-door estate (of a rather beefy appearance) on Ford Cortina saloon underpinnings. It used the doors as well as the taillights of a Mark IV Cortina four-door saloon, and had Cortina engines or the option of a Perkins diesel. Only two were built, and Ginetta went back to its main business of making sports cars. All in all, about 320 Toras of all variants were built.

G26, G28, G30 and G31
Following reorganization, the company moved to Scunthorpe and began making cars in kit form again in the 1980s starting with the G27 and followed by the G26, G28, G30 and G31, with all cars using Ford parts. The G26 was the first model to arrive, in 1984. The G26 and G31 both used flip-up headlamps; the G26 and G30 were fastback coupés while the G28 and G31 had a notchback profile.

The design used the Ford Cortina Mk3/Mk4 drivetrain and parts installed in a galvanized steel chassis of Ginetta's own construction. Originally, only four-cylinder engines could be fitted, but the G28's taller bonnetline made room for Ford's Cologne V6 engine. The bodywork was fibreglass, although the doors were the Ford Fiesta's steel units. The rear window on the fastback designs was also from the Fiesta, while the sportier notchbacks used the small window from the Sierra XR4i. 280 G26 were built. While the G31 was the last addition to the G26 line, it sold pretty well, with around 70 cars finished. Six G28 and fourteen G30 were finished, although since these cars were only available as kits it is unknown how many kits were actually sold. The total production of the G26 and its derivatives is about 370 cars.

The G29 code was assigned to a one-off competition car for the Thundersports racing series.

G27
The G27, which was introduced in November 1985, was a two-seater sports car derived from the G4. It uses the front suspension from the Triumph Vitesse, a modified Jaguar independent rear suspension, and could be fitted with a wide range of engines up to the Rover V8. This design was then used for the G33's bodywork as well.

G32 and G33
It was decided to re-enter the complete car business with the mid-engined G32 with a choice of 1.6 or 1.9 litre four-cylinder engine, available as a coupé or convertible and the G33 speedster which was equipped with a 3.9 litre Rover V8 capable of a top speed of 145 mph and a 0 - 97 kph acceleration time of 5 seconds. In 1990, the G32 coupé cost £13,700, the convertible £14,600 , and the G33 £17,800. The G33 was a development of the G27, itself derived from the G4. Unlike the G27, the G33 was only available as a complete car. In terms of appearance, the windshield, with its body-coloured frame, was the main difference compared to the G27. Under the body, the G33 used the suspension parts from the rear-wheel drive Ford Sierra Cosworth, rather than the mixed setup from the G27.

G50

After Ginetta was acquired by Lawrence Tomlinson in 2005, the company began work on the design of the Ginetta G50 - utilizing a 3.5 litre V6 engine, generating a power output of 300 hp kW - to celebrate the company's 50th anniversary. In 2007, the car competed in its first race in the European GT4 Cup, in Nogaro France, finishing second.

Soon after this success, the car was officially launched at Autosport International in early 2008 alongside its sister car, the Ginetta G50 GT4. Together, they have become Ginetta's best selling cars, and have race wins that include the Dubai 24 Hour endurance race in 2012 with Optimum Motorsport.

G60

In March 2010, Lawrence acquired the Somerset-based sports car manufacturer Farbio, and in doing so inherited the F400, which was subsequently redesigned, redeveloped and rebranded from the Farbio Marque, into the Ginetta G60; a two-door mid-engined sports car which shares the same 3.7-litre V6 engine as its G55 GT3 stablemate and is capable of 0 - 60 mph in 4.9 seconds, with a top speed of 165 mph.

G40

In 2010, Lawrence implemented a newer, safer car into the existing Ginetta Junior series and in doing so, replaced the old Ginetta G20 race car with a G40J.

Following the success of the G40J, Ginetta decided to introduce a Ginetta G40 Challenge car for the adult racers in its Challenge series. With the same engine as its sister car, the G40 Challenge car is capable of 165 hp and competes against existing G20 models. Today, the car features heavily in the Total Quartz Ginetta GT5 Challenge.

Ginetta unveiled its second road car, the Ginetta G40R, in 2011. It was designed to mimic the Walklett brothers' original vision of 'a race car for the road'. Capable of 0 - 60 mph in 5.8 seconds, the G40R shares a number of characteristics with its racing siblings.

G55
2011 saw the introduction of the G55 Cup car to the Ginetta GT Supercup, which, until that point, had only featured the G50 Cup car. Offering a 3.7 litre V6 engine generating a maximum power output of 380 hp kW, the car provided Ginetta with the basis for their Ginetta G55 GT3 car; a larger spec car which gives GT teams a 4.35 L V8 powerplant.

Akula
On 5 March 2019, at the Geneva International Motor Show, Ginetta announced a new 6.0L Ginetta/Chevrolet LS2 OHV V8 600 hp kW supercar called the Akula (Акула), Russian for "shark".

Michelin Ginetta GT4 SuperCup
The Michelin Ginetta GT4 SuperCup is a single-class race series which features the Ginetta G50 and G55 sports cars; running in support of the British Touring Car Championship.

The championship began as the Ginetta G50 Cup in 2008, supporting the British Formula Three Championship and British GT Championship. In 2009, it moved to support the BTCC. In 2011, with the introduction of the Ginetta G55, the championship became the Michelin Ginetta GT4 SuperCup.

The 2014 season will be the fourth running of the Michelin Ginetta GT4 Supercup, but it will be the first year in which the G50 GT4 and G55 GT4 cars are consolidated into one single class. In order to maintain fair competition, the two models will be equalized through a balance of performance test.

Protyre Motorsport Ginetta GT5 Challenge
The Protyre Motorsport Ginetta GT5 Challenge offers a unique, low-cost opportunity to race in a single-make racing championship, over seven race weekends supporting the British GT package. For 2014, the series will once again return to Spa for an international round alongside the Swedish Ginetta Challenge series.

A popular entry-level championship for many GT racers, the series boasts packed grids with close racing. All weekends are triple headers, providing 21 races throughout the season, with all races counting towards the final championship positions.

Prototype

Ginetta supplies customer LMP3 cars for the European Le Mans Series and Asian Le Mans Series as well as the IMSA Prototype Challenge.

In 2017, Ginetta developed a LMP1 class car the Ginetta G60-LT-P1. For the 2018–19 FIA World Endurance Championship season Ginetta entered 2 G60-LT-P1 in the WEC series in conjunction with TRSM Racing Manor. At the 2018 24 Hours of Le Mans, the #5 car finished 5th in class, while the #6 car retired after 10 hours due to persistent electrical issues.

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Talal El Karkouri

Mara Talal El Karkouri (طلال القرقوري, born 8 July 1976) is a Moroccan former professional footballer and currently coach of Qatar Stars League club Umm Salal SC. He played top-flight football in Morocco, France, Greece, England and Qatar before retiring in 2012. He made his international debut for Morocco in 2000, and earned 53 caps, playing at three African Cups of Nations.

Early career
Born in Casablanca, El Karkouri started his career with Raja Casablanca, and was discovered by French club Paris Saint-Germain in 2000. He played in the UEFA Cup and UEFA Champions League, but after failing to capture a regular place he was sent on loan to Aris in Greece.

On 31 January 2003 he was loaned to Sunderland of the Premier League until the end of the season. His spell was affected by injury, and he was released on 26 May after the club were relegated. The Black Cats lost in all eight of his appearances.

Charlton
In the summer of 2004, he was bought by Charlton Athletic of the Premier League for £1 million. He scored 5 goals in his debut season at Charlton, starting with the only goal in a win over Blackburn Rovers on 27 September 2004, by heading Danny Murphy's corner. He also scored the club's goal of the season against Arsenal.

On 6 April 2006, having made only 12 appearances all season, he was loaned to Al-Gharafa in Qatar.

On 30 December 2006, El Karkouri was given a yellow card by referee Rob Styles for an act of simulation in a home match against Aston Villa involving Villa defender Olof Mellberg. He was accused of a similar act against Reading on 9 April 2007 later in the same season, this time involving Reading striker Leroy Lita, who headbutted him.

Reading boss Steve Coppell accused El Karkouri of faking a 'death roll' and claimed that he would have needed treatment in intensive care had Lita headbutted him. Lita urged the FA to do something about 'diving cheats' after being hit with the ban. He said "I didn't touch him, he went down like an idiot and it was cheating". The FA disagreed and banned the Reading striker for three games for violent conduct. Coppell did not apologise for his comments.

Qatar
On 10 June 2007, following his release and Charlton's relegation, El Karkouri signed a two-year contract with Qatar Sports Club.

On 11 September 2011, after four seasons with Qatar SC, El Karkouri signed a one-year deal with another Qatari club, Umm-Salal.

On 25 May 2012, El Karkouri announced his retirement from professional football.

International career
El Karkouri was capped 53 times and scored 1 goal for Morocco. He was part of the team that finished second in the 2004 African Nations Cup.

On 29 January 2008, he announced his retirement from international football, after his team's failure to qualify for the latter stages of the 2008 African Nations Cup, but he returned on 28 March 2009 playing the 2010 World Cup qualifications match against Gabon in Casablanca.

Honours
Paris Saint-Germain
 * UEFA Intertoto Cup: 2001
 * Coupe de France: 2003–04

Morocco
 * Africa Cup of Nations runner-up:2004

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