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Tasmanian University Student Association

The Tasmanian University Student Association (TUSA), formerly known as Tasmania University Union (TUU), is the peak body of student representation for tertiary students attending the University of Tasmania and was established in 1899.

The Student Association is a student-led collective that is dedicated to two core principles: student leadership, and the student community.

Structure
The TUSA is governed by the State Council which is made up of student leaders elected by University of Tasmania students and the Board of Management (BoM).

State Council
The State Council is the peak statewide body constituted to deal with student representation and activities. This includes representing students in university decision-making processes and forums, developing and supporting student networks, assisting the university to consult with students, providing a voice for students to internal and external stakeholders, and represent student issues to the wider community. The State Council consists of:
 * President
 * Equity President
 * Two Education Presidents (Undergraduate and Postgraduate)
 * Four Campus Presidents (Southern, Northern, Cradle Coast, and Rozelle)

Board of Management
The BoM is responsible for setting the strategy and direction of the TUSA. The State Council may make recommendations to the BoM, but the BoM is not bound to these recommendations. It consists of:
 * The State President
 * The Deputy President
 * The outgoing State President
 * Two positions appointed by the University (by reason of their skills and expertise)
 * The Chair appointed by the university (in a non-voting capacity, but which may make a casting vote)

The TUSA also employs staff to provide administrative services and professional assistance for University of Tasmania students, such as student advocates, contact staff, marketing, operations and accounts. The staff are headed by the Chief Executive Officer of the TUSA.

Services
The TUSA provides a wide range of services to students. These services currently include:

 * Lobbying and representation on issues important to students,
 * Independent support and advocacy,
 * Financial support and counselling,
 * Social connection through TUSA-affiliated Clubs and Societies, and Student led events.
 * Facilities such as Clubs & Societies meeting rooms, kitchen, and lounge areas.\
 * Safe spaces and Women’s Spaces, Queer Spaces, and Parenting Rooms on the Sandy Bay Campus, and
 * Publishing student-produced media, such as the Togatus.

Clubs and societies
The vast majority of student sports, social, and faculty-based clubs and societies at the University of Tasmania are affiliated to the TUSA. These clubs and societies provide an important aspect of campus culture, running a variety of activities including sports, social, careers, cultural, and charitable events throughout the year. Some societies have their membership based in specific faculties, such as the Tasmanian University Law Society and Tasmanian University Medical Students Society. Others are more special interest-based, such as the Bushwalking Society and PLOT Theatre Society. University-based sports clubs include University of Tasmania Cricket Club, University of Tasmania Rugby Union Club, University of Tasmania Soccer Club, which participate in various statewide sports rosters. Tasmania's three major political parties (Australian Labor Party, Liberal Party of Australia, and the Australian Greens) all have student clubs on campus. The Student Legal Service, a student-run legal advice programme, also operates under the TUSA.

Campus media
Togatus is the independent student magazine at UTAS, and has been published relatively consistently since 1931 when it replaced Platypus, the first student newspaper. The magazine contains in-depth articles, student opinion pieces, and interviews.

History
The Tasmanian University Student Association essentially began as a social club for the 35 students that made up the University of Tasmania. Today it represents all of the approximately 35,000 students enrolled at the university.

Tasmania University Union logo
The original TUU logo was probably adopted in the 1920s, with the motto 'In Unitatem UniTas' which can be interpreted as 'The University of Tasmania working towards unity'. In the 1940s, the Union began using the new University of Tasmania logo with rampant lion.

In the early 1990s, the TUU ran a competition for a new logo for the Tasmania University Logo. The winning student design remains in use today. The classical pillar represents knowledge on a solid footing "to show the Union's links with academic tradition, but drawn in a modern way to emphasis its contemporary outlook".

1899–1930: early years
The TUU was formed by students in 1899, 6 years after lectures began at the University of Tasmania. The initial purpose of the Union was to facilitate social interaction between students and, organise sporting activities and debating. Membership was optional. The development of clubs and societies such as the Law Students Association was integral to the TUU from its early days, with seventeen clubs and societies already active within the small student population in the 1920s. The Union produced its first magazine, "Platypus" in 1914. The TUU also began to organise dances and balls, plays and the rowdy Mock Commem Processions in its early years.

The progressive growth in the TUU and its activities were put on hold by the outbreak of World War I, as students left to join the armed forces. Activities declined significantly in this period; and no committee was named in 1920.

In the early 1920s, the University Council made partial membership fees compulsory for students. This enabled the TUU to regain strength, and begin to field teams in the recently instituted Australian inter-varsity sporting competitions. In 1930, full membership was made compulsory.

The Union Committee became the formal Student Representative Council in 1925 under a Constitutional change.

1931–1939: settling in
In the mid to late 1930s, the Union began to flourish again as the problems of the war and the Great Depression finally began to fade. In 1937 the Tasmania University Union joined the new National Union of Students, and successfully engaged in national campaigns, such as pushing for student representation on university decision-making bodies The TUU became increasingly well established at the University of Tasmania, organising student life and representing students to the University and the wider community. The TUU took on its first paid employee, a part-time professional secretary, in 1939 to help with the administration of the growing Union and its increasing activities.

As Platypus had become defunct, the Union started Togatus in 1931, which was then a fortnightly student news and opinion paper.

1940–1954: resilience
As World War II broke out, the Tasmania University Union fell into decline again, cancelling many of its activities and donating the membership fees of remaining students to the Australian Government for the war effort. The TUU pressed on however, updating the Constitution again for a fully elected SRC, introducing a formal budget process, printing the first student handbook, and electing its first female president Cynthia Johnson in 1941. The first party political student clubs were also formed during the war.

As the war ended, student numbers increased dramatically and the university began its gradual move from the Hobart Domain to Sandy Bay. Over the next decade, the TUU began Orientation Week ('O-Week'), started a book stall, organised more student spaces and a canteen, and began to gain permanent sporting facilities; as well as establishing the theatre company Old Nick, which continues independently today.

1954–1973: growth
In the early 1950s, the TUU joined with academic staff against the University Council, resulting in a Royal Commission into the University. The Commission upheld the claims against the University about unfit working conditions and poor facilities. The university then hastened its move to the new Sandy Bay Campus with increased Commonwealth funding. At the same time, the Union secured dollar-for-dollar state government support to build the Union Building at Sandy Bay, completed in 1959. Services introduced with the building included the Refectory ('the Ref'), a 'mixed' shop, gown hire, a bank and hairdresser. The Union continued to construct extensions to the building, and add more services over the following years, becoming "a large business venture".

As the Union settled into its expanded commercial role, it also introduced new annual events such as the first Scav Hunt in 1962 (which became notorious over the years, with the 'kidnapping' of local personalities and buses); and the Student Representatives began to look into wider student issues such as indigenous disadvantage, student living conditions, and the environment. Protests originating from the Union Building and moving into the city of Hobart, regarding the Vietnam War, Apartheid in South Africa and many other issues became common in the 1960s and 1970s. The SRC also became more active in surveying students and using the results to pressure for change in faculty and university processes and structures.

1974–1980: disenchantment
The Union's situation disintegrated through the late 1970s. A poor national economy created opposition to raising the compulsory Union fee, alongside issues of mismanagement within the TUU led to a worsening financial position. Trading ventures began to run at a loss, there were allegations of corruption, the SRC suffered from in-fighting and frequent turnover, and for six consecutive years the TUU Annual General Meetings (AGMs) failed due to lack of quorum from the student body. Inexperience and intense party political competition around the SRC was especially damaging around 1976, with the Union technically bankrupt by the end of 1977; although it returned to profit in 1978 under a new President. the period of 1976,to 1977 during the presidency of Michael (Mick) Munday, who was twice elected was in fact one of the most progressive eras of the union. After this period student activism declined, and the student body also voted to secede from the National Union of Students in 1979.

1980–2000: rolling along
In the early 1980s, the TUU underwent significant structural change through a new Constitution, and began to look more like it does today. The Board of Management (with a student majority) was instituted to manage the financial and trading interests of the Union, leaving the SRC to concentrate on education, welfare, activities and publications. By the mid-1980s, the Union had turned around to boast "the best facilities and the lowers fees in Australia. All trading ventures ran at a profit...and [the Activities Council] became the major music promoter in Tasmania". The Union campaigned on issues like Commonwealth tertiary education funding, student allowances, and against the introduction of Voluntary Student Unionism. The Union's services continued to expand, especially TUU student housing. The SRC also gained greatly increased representation on University committees and won a campaign for anonymity in exams.

In the mid to late 1980s, some of the TUU's commercial ventures returned to loss and the union fee was increased against much opposition. However, the new Executive Officer from 1989 increased accountability and efficiency measures, returning financial stability and going on to win a Businesswoman of the Year Award. The Union's second ever female President was elected at the end of the decade.

As the university grew and diversified, the TUU introduced SRC positions like the satellite campus representatives, sexuality and environment officers; as well as the Postgraduate Council. Togatus became more of a general magazine than a student newspaper around this time. The TUU continued to campaign against cuts to tertiary education funding and VSU, and changes to university courses and facilities - but was less successful over the long term, especially with a less activist student population than in the past.

The Tasmania University Union became an incorporated entity in 1991

Recent history
As it has throughout its history, the TUU has organised campaigns around many divisive issues, including university restructures, student welfare issues, the introduction of voluntary student unionism in 2006, and the use of compulsory student fees collected under the Higher Education Legislation Amendment (Student Services and Amenities) Act in 2012.

In 2011, the bulk of the commercial operations (including catering, retail, and housing services) offered on campus by the TUU were sold to the University. At the time, this decision by the BoM to sell the commercial assets was viewed as controversial, and reinvigorated student interest in the TUU and its operations. In light of these significant changes to the Union, the TUU has commenced a process of constitutional review in 2012.

In 2017, the Union began a strategic review process that would lead to the most significant overhaul of the TUU in nearly a decade. In March 2018, Togatus published a special edition, reporting on the findings and recommendations of the review. The review called for sweeping reform of the Union’s structure and services. A series of systemic structural issues within the TUU were identified, with the review concluding that the organisation is not transparent, and fails to represent students.

Following a strategic review, significant reforms for the organisation were announced. Togatus reported the number of student representative positions within the existing structure of the TUU would be almost halved from 49 to 27, with the Education and Postgraduate councils dissolved and a new student council developed, formed of representatives from each of the University of Tasmania’s (UTas) course areas. The Tasmania University Student Council (TUSC) was founded to balance out the reduction of positions and better convey academic concerns from students.

2020–current: COVID-19 and name change

 * During the COVID-19 pandemic, the TUSA supported students financially, and with strong representation to the university of student needs and interests. Financial aid was increased to students experiencing hardship, and academic guidelines were relaxed to accommodate for a change never before seen by the student body.
 * In 2021, a significant overhaul of TUSA strategy, operation and structure culminated in the decision to change the name of the organisation from the Tasmania University Union to the Tasmanian University Student Association. This decision followed several years of work aimed at overhauling processes in an effort to improve representation, advocacy and support for students. The new name was decided upon following extensive student consultation as a way to better represent the diverse student population at UTAS.

Notable office-bearers

 * Eric Abetz
 * Guy Barnett
 * Neal Blewett
 * David Bushby
 * Richard Flanagan
 * Duncan Kerr
 * Pierre Slicer, retired former member of the Supreme Court of Tasmania


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 * Brass rat edits (partially completed
 * AXO major edits (subpage)
 * Symphony
 * Fix copyio stuff
 * TT edits (subpage)
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 * Kresge Auditorium minor edits

Random cleanup-y contributions

 * Disambiguation pages with links

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 * Expedia
 * IAC

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Obin.org

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete. Redwolf24 01:41, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Obin.org
Promotional one-liner of a barely any traffic site (5 million Alexa). delete lots of issues | leave me a message 06:11, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, advertising, but I'd like to make a note, that Alexa results are likely skewed to the English speaking population which would make a 5 million Alexa rank for a Polish site quite understandable. - Mgm|(talk) 08:30, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - seems non-notable. Halibutt 06:46, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
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C.R.A.Z.Y. movie poster

Fair use rationale in Crazy (Seal song)
Fair use in Crazy (Seal song):
 * 1) This image illustrates the text next to which it appears, which describes the film in question for which it promotes.
 * 2) It does not limit the copyright owner's rights to market or sell the film in any way.
 * 3) The image is of lower resolution than the original poster (copies made from it will be of inferior quality).
 * 4) The image is being used in an informative way and does not detract from the film.
 * 5) No free or public domain images have been located for this film.

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Newfoundland Reform Liberal Party

The Newfoundland Reform Liberal Party was a leader-centred political party in Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada from 1975 to 1979. It backed the return to power of Joey Smallwood after the former premier failed to regain the leadership of the Liberal Party of Newfoundland and Labrador in 1974.

1975 election
The Newfoundland Reform Liberal Party ran 28 candidates in the 1975 provincial election. With the Newfoundland and Labrador House of Assembly having been expanded to 51 seats for the election, Smallwood did not expect to win an outright mandate; rather, he hoped his presence would result in a hung parliament (with no party holding a majority of seats) in which the former premier could use the resulting bargaining power to return to office.

Although Smallwood succeeded in winning four seats for his new party in the House of Assembly (including his own), his overall plan backfired as the resulting vote splitting with the established Liberal Party ultimately contributed to successful Progressive Conservatives under Frank Moores, who won a second consecutive majority government despite losing a considerable share of their popular vote.

Elected Members

 * Eric Dawe
 * Wilson Callan - left party in 1976 for Liberals and then for the PC from 1981 onwards
 * Rod Moores - return to the Liberals after 1979 and sat as MHA until 1982
 * Joey Smallwood - resigned as leader 1979

Dissolution
Publicly, Smallwood claimed the result to be a success - in his view, he had succeeded in preventing the established Liberal Party from returning to power. Smallwood spent the next two years unsuccessfully trying to negotiate a merger of the breakaway party with his old party, always with the stipulation that he would be leader of the merged party. Finally, in 1977, Smallwood resigned his seat in the House of Assembly and left politics for good.

The Newfoundland Reform Liberal Party never elected a new leader to replace Smallwood and disappeared as an effective political force following its founding leader's departure, although it continued to exist on paper until the 1979 Newfoundland general election was called. The party was subsequently dissolved by the provincial chief electoral officer after it failed to nominate any candidates for the election.

Leader

 * Joey Smallwood 1975-1977

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Volunteer Officers' Decoration

The Volunteer Officers' Decoration, post-nominal letters VD, was instituted in 1892 as an award for long and meritorious service by officers of the United Kingdom's Volunteer Force. Award of the decoration was discontinued in the United Kingdom when it was superseded by the Territorial Decoration in 1908, but it continued to be awarded in some Crown Dependencies until 1930.

The grant of the decoration was extended in 1894 by the institution of a separate new decoration, the Volunteer Officers' Decoration for India and the Colonies, that could be awarded to commissioned officers of all Volunteer Forces throughout the British Empire and India.

Institution
The Volunteer Officers' Decoration, post-nominal letters VD and colloquially known as the Volunteer Decoration, was instituted by Queen Victoria's Royal Warrant on 25 July 1892. The decoration could be awarded to efficient and thoroughly capable officers of proven capacity for long and meritorious service in the part-time Volunteer Force of the United Kingdom.

Award criteria
The qualifying period of service was twenty years. Half of any previous service in the Regular Army also counted towards qualification. The award did not confer any individual precedence, but entitled the recipient to use the post-nominal letters VD.

Recipients had to have been recommended for the award by the Commanding Officer of their Corps, and duly certified by the District Military Authorities in which the Corps was located as having been efficient and thoroughly capable officers, in every way deserving of such a decoration. In order to preserve the purity of the decoration, the name of any person on whom it had been conferred who was subsequently convicted of any act derogatory to his honour as an officer and gentleman, was immediately erased from the registry of individuals upon whom the decoration had been conferred.

The Volunteer Officers' Decoration could also be conferred upon any of the Princes of the Royal Family of Great Britain and Ireland.

Colonial version
On 24 May 1894 the grant of the decoration was extended by Royal Warrant to commissioned officers of Volunteer Forces throughout the British Empire, defined as being India, the Dominion of Canada, the Crown Colonies and the Crown Dependencies. A separate new decoration was instituted, the Volunteer Officers' Decoration for India and the Colonies. This decoration was similar in design to the Volunteer Officers' Decoration, but bore the Royal Cypher "VRI" (Victoria Regina Imperatrix) instead of "VR" (Victoria Regina).

Even so, some Crown Dependencies awarded the Volunteer Officers' Decoration instead of the Colonial version, until the Efficiency Decoration was instituted in September 1930.

Order of wear
In the order of wear prescribed by the British Central Chancery of the Orders of Knighthood, the Volunteer Officers' Decoration takes precedence after the Army Emergency Reserve Decoration and before the Volunteer Long Service Medal.

Description
The decoration is an oval skeletal design and was struck in silver, with parts of the obverse in silver-gilt. It is 43 mm high and 35.5 mm wide with a ring suspender formed of silver wire.

The obverse is an oak leaf wreath in silver, tied with gold, with the Royal Cypher below the Royal Crown, both in gold, in the centre.
 * Obverse

The reverse is plain with the hallmarks impressed at the bottom. The decoration was awarded unnamed, but was frequently unofficially engraved in various styles.
 * Reverse

The ribbon is dark green and 1+1/2 in in width and is suspended from a silver bar-brooch decorated with an oak leaf pattern.
 * Ribbon

Versions
Three versions of the decoration were struck. The original version of 1892 had the Royal Cypher "VR" of Queen Victoria below the Royal Crown in the centre.

The King Edward VII version, with his Royal Cypher "ER VII", was introduced after his succession to the throne in 1901 and ceased to be awarded to officers of the United Kingdom's Volunteer Force when it was superseded by the Territorial Decoration in 1908. It appears to have continued to be awarded in some Crown Dependencies until 1910.

The King George V version, with his Royal Cypher "GVR", was introduced after his succession to the throne in 1910. This version appears to have only been awarded in some Crown Dependencies, instead of the Volunteer Officers' Decoration for India and the Colonies.

Discontinuation
The "Home" (ie., British Isles) Volunteer Force was merged with the Yeomanry in 1908 to become the Territorial Force, which, unlike its predecessors, was not a voluntary force (ie., its other ranks engaged for a term of service of four years and could not resign). At the same time, award of the Volunteer Officers' Decoration was discontinued in the United Kingdom and superseded by the new Territorial Decoration.

The Volunteer Officers' Decoration continued to be awarded in some colonies and Crown Dependencies (such as to officers of the Bermuda Volunteer Rifle Corps in the Imperial fortress colony of Bermuda, with awards for this unit continuing even after its re-organisation on Territorial Force lines in 1921) until the Efficiency Decoration was instituted in September 1930. The last colony or Crown dependency in which the decoration was awarded was Bermuda in 1930.

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River Queen

River Queen is a 2005 war drama film written and directed by Vincent Ward and starring Samantha Morton, Kiefer Sutherland, Cliff Curtis, Temuera Morrison and Stephen Rea. The film opened to mixed reviews but performed well at the box office in New Zealand.

Plot
The film takes place in New Zealand in 1868 during Tītokowaru's War phase of the New Zealand Wars between the Māori and New Zealand colonial forces. Sarah O'Brien (Samantha Morton) has grown up among soldiers in a frontier garrison on Te Awa Nui, the Great River. Pregnant at 16 by a young Māori boy, she gives birth to a son. When, seven years later, her son, Boy, is kidnapped by his Māori grandfather, Sarah is distraught. Abandoned by her soldier father, Sarah's life becomes a search for her son. Her only friend, Doyle (Kiefer Sutherland) is a broken-down soldier without the means to help her.

Lured to the ill rebel chief Te Kai Po's village by the chance to see her child, Sarah finds herself falling in love with Boy's uncle, Wiremu (Cliff Curtis), and increasingly drawn to the village way of life.

Using medical skills she learned from her father, Sarah heals Te Kai Po (Temuera Morrison) and begins to reconcile with her son (Rawiri Pene). But her idyllic time at the village is shattered when she realises that she has healed the chief only to hear him declare war on the Colonials, men she feels are her friends, her only family. Her desperation deepens when she realises that Boy intends to prove himself in war, refusing to go back down river with her. As the conflict escalates, Sarah finds herself at the centre of the storm, torn by the love she feels for Boy and Wiremu, anguished over the attachments she still has to the white man's world, and sickened by the brutality she witnesses on either side.

And when the moment comes, Sarah must choose where she belongs; will she be forced back into the white man's way of life, or will she have the courage to follow the instincts that are telling her where she truly belongs?

Cast

 * Samantha Morton as Sarah O'Brien
 * Kiefer Sutherland as Doyle
 * Cliff Curtis as Wiremu
 * Temuera Morrison as Te Kai Po
 * Stephen Rea as Francis
 * Anton Lesser as Major Baine
 * Rawiri Pene as Sarah's son
 * Danielle Cormack as Viola

Production
Sam Neill was originally favoured by Vincent Ward to be cast in a leading role, but he declined.

Director Vincent Ward was dismissed from the film towards the end of the shoot to be replaced by cinematographer Alun Bollinger and then in an unusual reversal, was rehired just weeks later for six months of editing and additional shooting in both New Zealand and England. Primary filming was done on the Whanganui River.

The film features the song "Danny Boy" sung in Māori and English. The film is set in 1868, and the lyrics for "Danny Boy" were written in 1910 and adapted to the traditional Irish melody "Londonderry Air". It is possible the melody was known in New Zealand at the time, but another 42 years were to pass before the lyrics were written by Frederick Weatherly.

Reception
The film topped the New Zealand Box Office on its first weekend of release.

Alexander Bisley of The Dominion Post says "River Queen convinces that you don't have to be indigenous to tell indigenous stories. Ward who lived for 18 months as the sole Pākehā (person of European descent) in a remote Māori community in the Ureweras, deserves a lot of mana (respect). This is his story, this is my story, this is your story - every New Zealander should see River Queen."

Fair International Film Festival 2007

 * Best Artistic Achievements Award

New Zealand Screen Awards 2006

 * Won: Best Achievement in Cinematography: Alun Bollinger
 * Won: Best Achievement in Costume Design: Barbara Darragh
 * Nominated: Best Performance by an Actor in a Leading Role: Cliff Curtis
 * Nominated: Best Achievement in Production Design: Rick Kofoed
 * Nominated: Best Performance by an Actress in a Leading Role: Samantha Morton
 * Nominated: Best Performance by Actor in a Supporting Role: Rawiri Pene
 * Nominated: Best Picture: Don Reynolds, Chris Auty

Shanghai International Film Festival 2006

 * Won: Golden Goblet, Best Music: Karl Jenkins

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What does "Fiche technique" mean? Zoe 06:13, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * It must still be in French...it's like "technical info". Adam Bishop 06:15, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

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Richard Hoffman

Richard Hof(f)man(n) may refer to:

 * Richard Hoffman (composer) (1831–1909), English-born American pianist and composer
 * Richard Hofmann (composer) (1844–1918), German composer and pedagogue who worked in Leipzig
 * Richard H. Hoffmann (1887–1967), American psychiatrist
 * Richard W. Hoffman (1893–1975), U.S. Representative from Illinois
 * Richard Hofmann (1906–1983), German footballer
 * Richard Hoffmann (composer) (1925–2021), Austrian-born American composer
 * Richard L. Hoffman (1927–2012), American zoologist, specializing in millipedes
 * Rick Hoffman (born 1970), American actor
 * Richárd Hoffmann (born 1978), Hungarian footballer

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Talk:Andre the Giant Has a Posse

(Kruger/Fairey)
Is it worth while mentioning the possible influence of Barbara Kruger's work on the OBEY posters/stencils? This article here http://www.loudpapermag.com/article.php?id=10 mentions her influence on Fairey.--Bumhoolery 06:14, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

(WTHell?)
I still don't get what the entire "Andre the Giant Has a Posse" is all about. Someone please give me a satisfying answer. Why did they choose Andre for this pop culture Icon? Because he was a giant? What do they mean by posse? Where they fans of the Wrestler?

I find it frustrating that this icon has become so popular yet no one can explain what the hell it even has to do with any foundation in logic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.99.204.99 (talk) 21:36, 9 September 2005 --222.152.103.40 06:55 & Graphia 06:58, 17 November 2005 (UTC)Graphia effectively claimed the IP edit 3 minutes later, in adding a word; IMO contrary scenarios would be paranoid! Sbrawner 02:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC) --LMNO Goldfish (talk) 19:56, 1 June 2012 (UTC) LMNO Goldfish 03:15, 01 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, I'm going to put up a cleanup - confusion - tag and ask that someone who knows to edit this article so that it is actually clear just what it's about. It's very frustrating to read an article and by the end still have no idea what's going on
 * Hi. Having known Shepard, Blaze, Brian, the Shank twins, the Drex (gawd what a crappy ramp they had) and many more in Charleston (actually Summerville) in '86, I can tell you that the 'Andre' thing came about because the real Andre was performing locally and there was an ad in the paper. He drew it for no other reason than bored teenagers doodle and goof around.  Then he xeroxed it till it was almost illegible, made sticker sheets and it just sorta rolled from there. I have a few original paper stickers and some of the first vinyl ones somewhere around.  I hate to tell you but there is NO LOGIC, NO MEANING behind it.  I think that's the best part, some people get so worked up BECAUSE it doesn't mean anything and they either feel that it should or they innately NEED it to mean something, otherwise I suppose it fucks up their little worldview.  Anyways, that's the story.
 * I'm confused by the year 1989 being cited in the main article. The article cites Fairey's 2008 interview with Format magazine as if it were an accurate presentation of the facts.  Fairey's story there doesn't seem to ring true, though.  Sbrawner's recollection above matches my own in that the stickers came about in 1986 while Fairey was still in the Charleston area.  I am quite certain that the stickers were in the skater community in the Columbia, SC, area in 1986 or 1987.  There are plenty of other websites that claim that it originated in 1986.
 * Thanks, I came to "talk" puzzled about this. At the college I went to in MN someone slipped OBEY stickers under doors in our dorm. I remember specifically because some people were rather upset by it. I graduated in 1986, so I don't see how a creation date of 1988 is possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.188.89.180 (talk) 01:39, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

(Batman)
The Batman factoid bothers me because the film came out in 1989, the same year cited in the creation of the meme. I've also reviewed the Batplane scene and saw no Giant faces on any buildings. I'm not deleting the mention of Batman in the entry because I might be missing something, but it is very unlikely that the meme would be in a blockbuster film shot in England the same year it was created by students in Rhode Island. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.226.205.83 (talk) 22:11, 19 September 2005

 * I agree, I'm changing the movie reference to Batman Forever, based on a a few mentions on the internet. Could somebody who has Batman Forever on DVD please confirm? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theinfo (talk) 04:32, 20 September 2005

(Why; No on CU)
The 2 following blue-box enclosed 'graphs were originally placed by their creator at the top of the page, and this rule (sense 4) or line:

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separated them from the (then) following (but earlier-contributed), signed, single-'graph contrib for which i've now retrofitted the section heading "(Kruger/Fairey)". A colleague, presumably hoping to clean up, had ditched that rule and moved those 'graphs below the 'graph (but above the (until then accurate) sig provided by User:Bumhoolery. For the benefit of anyone who may have taken it at face value when they last looked at this talk page, i struck thru, but left in place, the misleading instance of that sig (in addition to putting a "clean" one back following the contrib it really applies to).

While the indentation of 199x's whole first 'graph may reflect their misunderstanding of wiki formatting, i have, for what it may be worth, preserved their markup and its effect, as follows:

WWF / WWE / Titan Sports / WWFE
Titan Sports (formerly Capitol Sports, now WWFE) is the former WWF's parent company and legal entity, whereas "WWF" is a product name or brand. Titan Sports'/WWFE's "WWF" could no more sue someone than Ford's "Taurus" could. Additionally, "WWF" is its own entity, being the World Wildlife Foundation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.131.202.198 (talk) 20:16, 8 October 2005

List of cities
Someone include a list of cities where this is found? — Preceding unsigned comment added by VarunRajendran (talk • contribs) 09:47, 31 October 2005 222.152.103.40 06:55, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The main problem with that is it is found in most cities around the US, and hundres more around the world.

reason for Andre the Giant
"I realized that a lot of people didn't know what it was about," he explains later, during an interview at Black Market Design, the successful graphic arts firm he co-owns in San Diego. "But they liked it because they knew that the conservative people hated it. Initially, I wanted to elevate Andre out of the wrestling subculture to be on par with more mainstream cultural icons. That was the coup -- to raise Andre out of a subculture he should be embedded in."

"Even my very first print ad in 1992 was a picture of Elvis with 'Big' underneath and then a picture of Andre with the word 'Giant.' So it was saying that Andre is bigger than Elvis. I also did a shirt called 'The Famous Dead People Shirt,' which was a grid of nine people with Marilyn Monroe, James Dean, Jim Morrison, Bob Marley, Sid Vicious and Andre the last one in the corner."

source: http://www.salon.com/people/feature/2000/06/22/fairey/

Message from one of the "co-founders"
Seeing as how I am regularly listed on this page, I check back on it now and again. I am blown away by the little things that people know about this, that I thought only I knew. (And the stuff that I have to correct, but that's no surprise.)

Anyhow, Barbara Kruger should get proper credit for her influence on Shepard's work, post-'93. The original OBEY sticker is a direct nod to her work, and Kruger's work is so influential with so few people realizing it, that it deserves credit here. I seem to remember an interview where he comes out and gives her due credit.

Yep, here it is.

http://www.tlchicken.com/view_story.php?ARTid=640

"I also remember going to New York in 1990, a year after I started making the original Andre stickers, and seeing all the graffiti on the freeways, and what lengths people were going to, to get up some impressive pieces. That's one of the things that made me want to do bigger stuff. Barbara Kruger, also. Her really bold, powerful combination of images and type heavily influenced me. The idea of maximizing your communication in something you can look at for a split second."

added meaning section, removed confusing tag
I've added a meaning section. It's funny how the act of trying to explain something gives you an insight you didn't have before, but I don't have any inside information. I invite somebody who does to confirm my thoughts. Theinfo 04:44, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

POSSE?
What does "POSSE" means

 * Group of people, or perhaps more accurately a following. Mathmo 10:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

OBEY
Shouldn't the main article here be the OBEY campaign and "Andre the giant has a posse" just part of that... I mean these days, Obey is a much bigger thing...

I completely agree. Obey Giant is so much more than this one image. Shepard Fairey has created over 380 prints for the Obey Giant campaign. It is after all obeygiant.com. If we moved this to Obey Giant, or Obey, we could include so much more, including toys, clothing, prints, gallery /fine art and more.

Appearances in pop culture
This area is a little absurd. There are just too many. If we want to keep this, I think we should keep the major ones. This is taking up valuable space that could be used for real information. This article covers less than 1% of what Obey Giant is today.
 * I've created a subpage of this talk page so we can re-organize and cut down that section before fixing it in the article. Please help me out at Talk:André the Giant Has a Posse/Pop Culture References Rewrite. Thanks. Stale Fries taste better 04:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * As a start, I suggest removing all references to bands/people/etcetera that are red links. I assume those are not as notable. In fact, I'll do it now. Stale Fries taste better 04:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Split?
If we want to keep this article titled "André the Giant Has a Posse", I think we need to make an new article called "Obey Giant". Obey Giant is so much more than this now. Personally I think we need to move this to "Obey Giant" and start putting information in here that covers more than just andre.

split off appearances
definitely overdue for a split Theinfo 04:14, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Lee Harvey Oswald was a Patsy
I have always read that the Andre the Giant Has a Posse sticker was an original design, and not necessarily a spoof of anything; however, ever since I first saw it I knew it was a coy reference to something, although I couldn't put two and two together.

Then I came across this old flyer from the 60's about Lee Harvey Oswald. I am almost certain that this was the source of the campaign, but I can't seem to find any information about the Oswald flyer. I placed a graphic of it on the main page but I would like to know if anyone can pinpoint the source of the Oswald flyer, and if the artist behind Obey Giant has ever referred to it. I suspect it's relatively obscure and the 60's were before my time so maybe an older contributer can help me out here. Thanks.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Publicradio (talk • contribs) 03:17, 25 July 2006

 * - In Response: The "flyer" you posted here does use a modified version of Lee Harvey Oswald's mug shot (which can be seen unedited here), but I'm 99% sure that the text was added to mimic the Andre the Giant Has a Posse sticker. Take away that text and you're left with little to compare. This Lee Harvey Oswald poster does seem to fit the style of the many Andre/Posse spin-offs and parodies. It seems to work more in that direction than the other way around. That is to say, it would be a better fit if this image you've found were a parody of the Andre/Posse poster rather than an inspiration for it. If the latter were true, then the Andre/Posse poster would bear a much more obvious resemblance. The original Lee Harvey Oswald mugshot was of better quality, as one can see in the link above or by simply checking the Lee Harvey Oswald article; the "patsy" version seems to have deliberately been degrated in quality to more closely resemble the original Andre/Posse image.

 * Of course, this is all deduction, I know not if the poster you put on here actually did exist some 40 years ago. I think it's less likely that it was a decades-old inspiration and far more likely that it's one of many, many parodies that surfaced after the original Andre campaign took flight. -'tero — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.200.116.7 (talk) 11:40, 20 November 2006

lee harvey oswald sticker moved here
I'm moving the Lee Harvey Oswald photo here, since it just seems to be just speculation that it's an inspiration. Perhaps it's just a coincidence. It's certainly an interesting find. Anyone who knows more, please chime in. --Theinfo 14:19, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

possible vandalism?
What is this? It's not written in coherent English, and appears to have nothing to do with the content of the article. It looks like some sort of weird vandalistic attempt at self promotion.

"In Hamburg Germany the artist pop.ac formerly known as Art Collart invented 1987 art with stickers and called it Art Collé. 1999 he changed his name into pop.ac - pop.ac is also website and mantra. -"

Added a photo, but can't seem to get the thumbnail to display
Added a "Make Art Not War" example to the "Meaning" section, but despite the "thumb" parameter, only the large version appears. A little help anyone? (fixed--it was the "frame" attribute) Marsh 13:51, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

"tattoo schema"
I've never heard of a tattoo schema. What is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.114.134.137 (talk) 03:11, 6 November 2006

Little Miss Sunshine
In the 2006 movie "Little Miss Sunshine", Dwayne DOES NOT wear an Obey shirt. It is actually big brother's face from the 1956 film "1984". 86.211.8.97 18:50 -:54 (5 edits), 28 February 2007 (UTC)mar2 Stale Fries taste better 04:34 & :36, 21 March 2007 (UTC) --72.195.138.162 20:23, 21 March 2007 (UTC) 4.244.120.144 21:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC) ** The link from "enlarge[ment]" is at domain thegiant.org but purports to be property of Fox and have its availability to us "strictly prohibited". --Jerzy•t 10:01, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * ''The above IP-user saved 5 versions of that 'graph in 4 minutes and a few seconds:
 * consistent with having coded " ~mar2 " as the final line.
 * added the current secn heading as an afterthot, but rem'd the entire odd sig line;
 * added a new final line consistent with using markup identical to the original final line;
 * unlk'd the LMS article;
 * removed the new final line.
 * I've restored the LMS lk, and added a boldface patch into the original version of the final line, to reflect the multiple edits and aid anyone considering checking my reconstruction.''--Jerzy•t 10:01, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually he is wearing one. Dwayne with the shirt on.* The print it is based off of. --72.195.138.162 13:39 -:41 (3 edits), 10 March 2007 (UTC)Rd cmt mkup ifUcare --Jerzy•t 10:01, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * * The above editor's link to pic of Dwayne is now a  undefined . --Jerzy•t 10:01, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, you're wrong :). That picture you linked is definitely not OBEY, and it definitely looks more like Big Brother.
 * Again... I hate to do this. But you must no be looking at the pic, or your brighness is up too high. There is even an obey star (with andre's face in it) on his forehead (in the shirt). If you cant see it, take it in photoshop and change the levels. It is there 100%.
 * It definitely is an Obey shirt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clckdth (talk • contribs) 22:39, 24 March 2007
 * Ok, man, that is definitely a Big Brother shirt. it looks NOTHING like Andre the Giant. I'm erasing the fact in the article.
 * It is 100% guaranteed, Ill put my money where my mouth is, an Obey Giant Shirt. The print is called Big Brother 2. Shepard Fairey did it in 2001. Here is a link.* Trust me on this one. I have even enhanced the image in photoshop, and enlarged it so you can see. ** --Noverflow 13:37, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * * The above editor's link from "Here is a link" now displays a mere "Image hosted by..." graphic.

Mongonikol (talk) 05:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, Shepard lifted it from the original 1984's film's Big Brother poster. Here is a clip.* He did it in 1998. I was there. He did the design at his office in San Diego, and the prints at his home studio. FYI.
 * * The above editor's link to "clip" is now a  undefined . --Jerzy•t 10:01, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Well. Amidst the heat, there has been some light; and this section's existence on a WP talk page will be less of a travesty if heat, light, etc. are sorted out one from another:
 * Heat: "You're stupid, pathetic, and evil." No one was that frank, but the level of discourse approached Proof by blatant assertion, and far too little effort was given to discerning why one's allies' arguments had failed to be convince those not so allied.
 * Light: The subject matter is intrinsically elusive, bcz of the esthetic of (the best i can follow) exploring the power of blurring the distinction between creation and being influenced. Bottom line is that AtGHaP (or AtG in pop art? or...) is nowhere near being independent of BBcirca1956, and it took a year (less 2 weeks) for that fundamental point to become accessible.
 * Editing: We're on this talk page to dope out what to do with the accompanying article. The fraud or prank of hoking up fake evidence is not implausible, but i assume that Dwayne's shirt is a Giant or Obey ref of some kind. Still, it says, just below the pane i am typing markup into, "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable." and that is a different standard from the things that i am willing to assume. What's been presented above is IMO reason to look for reliable sources stating at least that the shirt is a Giant or Obey ref of some kind. And also for reliable sources stating what kind of Giant or Obey ref the shirt is. Or at least for plausible claims by the verifiable creator about what they were trying to refer to.

 * --Jerzy•t 23:43, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Charles Darwin has a Posse too!
http://www.swarthmore.edu/NatSci/cpurrin1/evolk12/posse/chazhasaposse.htm?ID=76

If I knew how to upload the image, I'd add it to the article. I see these stickers from time to time in Los Angeles and have even seen them in San Diego.LiPollis 10:40, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
See All your base are belong to us for an acceptable (short, sourced) trivia / pop culture section.  Dei z  talk 14:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Accent mark
Shouldn't this article just be "Andre the Giant..." not "André"? There's no accent on the stickers. --AW 15:51, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I should have changed this years ago. Theinfo 18:05, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Ok. I'll move it now. --AW 15:46, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

 * That's simply because Andre is in capital letters, and an accent is not normally used in typography unless it's lower case. "André the Giant..." is correct 91.85.32.166 (talk) 14:23, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Counter-Strike
Is it worth mentioning that computer game Counter-Strike has this image selectable as one of default sprayable images? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.250.45.172 (talk) 20:53, 23 June 2007

--65.78.107.132 (talk) 23:58, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This image, parodies, and variants have made innumerable appearances in pop culture. It's not worth listing them. 20:53, 23 June 2007 84.250.45.172

This page is awful!
I dont know what happened, but it looks like someone tried to clean up the page by deleting a lot of stuff. All this is left of the appearances in culture is one thing. Why have it at all?

This article has been and still is horrible. I can understand having this article as it is.

But what about
 * all 500 of the different obey giant posters. Most of them having nothing to do with andre or the posse
 * obey clothing which is not done by shepard any more
 * obey as a company
 * obey giant as a street art campaign

This auricle either needs to assume the role of all of these things, OR needs to step aside and let other articles be made, and stop redirecting all the information to this one all exclusive article.

Personally, I think we need a few articles:
 * Andre the Giant Has a Posse (talk about the phenomenology and what it became)
 * Obey / Obey Giant (what it is now)
 * Obey Clothing (what it split off into)

I know I cant just start this on y own as someone will just come back and revert it, so can someone else start this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.195.138.162 (talk) 15:25, 22 July 2007

 * Wikipedia is not a guide to popular culture. Information must be sourced, must be verifiable and must be important. I fear your dream ATGHAP and other OBEY articles will not fit WP criteria. As it is, this article is still in need of cleanup and verification. Sorry if this is disappointing.  Dei z  talk 23:22, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Yet we have an article for the nintendo virtual boy when they could all be lumped into nintendo hand held game systems. What I am saying is these things are NOT the same thing anymore. Shepard fairey doesn't even do the art for. If you want to talk standards, either lump other related info, or split this article. The sad thing that is happening here is that all the articles have their own cartel now and you cant do anything without some reverting your work.
 * And if you want sources. I have them. We have a book on this, I run a website that has direct contact with him. Numerous interviews, videos. I run an entire wiki based on obeygiant alone. Do you want legitimate information, or do you just want some random stuff here and there. Personally I vote for an entire reworking of this article. It is junk and does not explain anything to anyone who does not know what it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.195.138.162 (talk) 13:12, 4 August 2007

 * Rest assured, I am entirely neutral in all this. Feel free to edit the article as you see fit. If you include references, rather than claim to have them, this will help, assuming they fit with WP:RS. If you want to merge articles together, there are tags you can place on the articles which will invite debates with the objective of reaching consensus on the matter. FYI, your comparison with Nintendo is not relevant - individual articles stand on their own merits, and are never compared in this respect to any other article, regardless of perceived similarities in content, importance or style. You have to verifiy that all of this is significant in the context of an encyclopedia - again, WP is not the great big guide to pop culture.  Dei z  talk 14:17, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I think it should be Obey Giant, and talk about how it started as Andre... and what it is now. --72.195.138.162 01:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that WP should not be the guide to pulp culture, but that is a really hard argument to make when there is an article on every console video game made, along with an attempt to include every album released. I think we need to consider if this article needs a name change. OR, is the article going to be mainly about this sticker, and not about obey giant.

Lawsuit
"Threat of a lawsuit from Titan Sports, Inc. in 1993 spurred Fairey to stop using the trademarked name André the Giant..."

Is there a source for this alleged lawsuit? A cease & desist letter for example, or a recollection in an interview/article? I haven't been able to find anything about this – only recycled versions of the Wikipedia article. In Supply & Demand, Fairey's self-penned monologue, there isn't any mention of it; only that he was tiring of the posse sticker and wanted a more 'streamlined graphic approach' similar to that of the Constructivists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.18.55 (talk) 15:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately the cited article added by 209.30.19.80 refers to neither the year nor claimant of the lawsuit mentioned. A quote from the article cited, published in 2006: "Over the next 15 years, image and message simplified—in part because of a lawsuit from the deceased wrestler's family—into a blunt, black-and-white icon of a brutal face with the words "Obey Giant" emblazoned beneath."
 * The reference to a lawsuit from the wrestler's estate is mentioned in an interview for International Tattoo Magazine in 1999. "I finally got a notification from his estate that I couldn't use the phrase "Andre the Giant" in any images or use his face in anything. [...] It took them nine years to figure it out."
 * I'm merely curious where the reference to the Titan Sports lawsuit has come from – it seems to have appeared out of thin air. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.18.55 (talk) 00:42, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

This happened, too. It was '93. I was at Berkeley putting up GIANT in the SF Bay Area, Shepard and Blais and Alfred were all still in Rhode Island, lots was still being done by hand, and all the superfluous AG imagery was done away with. Everything moved to OBEY/DISOBEY. The only thing that stayed was the Original Giant (OG) sticker. What I don't know about is Titan Sports. The letter was from whoever who owned the WWF. Mongonikol (talk) 05:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

1990s in San Diego w/Andre & Gary
Was pretty funny from 1994 til about 1998, 1999, or so, seeing Gary (http://www.garykarp.com) stickers, as much or more than Andre ones in San Diego, popping up everywhere.

In that period, Gary was photographed & left as stickers in many cities/states/countries, on all continents (yes, even Antarctica). Got to the point people thought Gary was out of the Andre camp. Big props to Andre and all that, but Gary was its own little big thing, that sprouted w/no prior knowledge of Andre.

Funny story: working at MTV Movie Awards, circa 1995. many A-list celebs, from Nirvana guys to Adam Sandler, to you name it, left with a Gary sticker subtly slapped on their back.

Anyway, good to see Andre's posse still going strong!

Cool that Gary still is hanging out, too, 14 years later (http://www.myspace.com/garykarp)

Illiteral (talk) 08:15, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

"Appearances in North American pop culture" deleted
I don't mean to step on anyone's toes, but Obey Giant has appeared many, many times in North American popular culture. A list with three examples including a Family Guy reference seems unfitting. (Family Guy parodies so many different aspects of pop culture, it's hardly noteworthy that Obey Giant is referenced.) Therefore, I'm deleting that section. I'd also like to see the parodies section cleaned up. I remember years ago looking at the obey site and seeing at least a few dozen different parody images. They have since been removed. --Catch153 (talk) 00:08, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

"Philosophy of Obey"
1. As many editors have noted, notable among them is July 2008 Tyrenius, "This book needs to be mentioned...")

2. This book is about the Andre, Obey, Shepard Fairey and its complete history!

3. This book has been praised by Fairey himself...see note

4. Please do not delete again...let WIKI consensus rule. "Deletion is not a WIKI policy."

Thank you --Baby fu baby (talk) 18:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Umm, ignoring the somewhat incoherent nonsense above, the only suitable place for this to be mentioned would be in a "Further reading" section after its notability has been verified. It is never appropriate to simply dump a spammy reference to a book of unknown notability and its ISBN number into an article. I appreciate you are not fully conversant with Wikipedia practice and policies, but your continued readdition of this without wondering why experienced editors are removing it is becoming disruptive. Perhaps you could read WP:NB and give a rationale as to how the book meets WP notability criteria? You could also read the Conflict of Interest guidelines and be honest about whether anything there would prevent you from editing in connection with this book. A glance at your editing history shows your account to be a single purpose account, yet another reason why you should tread very carefully.  Dei z  talk 06:48, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments.

1. The experienced art editor I consulted was Tyrenius -- a WIKI editor steeped in art editing.: (cur) (last) 00:29, 16 July 2008 Tyrenius (Talk | contribs) (10,633 bytes) (this book needs to be mentioned) (undo)

2. I love your comment about further reading...

 * 1) . With all due respect to your self-proclaimed self-importance and demonstrable dim handling of the facts of deserved article addition, 'Spammy' is howlingly absurd given the importance of the book, the merit given by an experienced wiki 'art' editor, the books incredible notablility towards Andre the Giant scholarship, the poignant accolades by Shepard Fairey, its books expansive and historic content to Andre the Giant scholarship. In black and white the book is: The History of the Philosphy of Andre the Giant.

Again, you lack of arts experience and careless handling of the subject and addition is evident in your claim of the books ISBN number link: there has NEVER been an ISBN link.

Thank you again for your time. I look forward to applying your additional comment and look forward to hearing more learned comments from experienced editor knowledgable on this topic -- rather than one who can only 'delete' which is NOT a wiki policy.

--Baby fu baby (talk) 18:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I appreciate you are a single-purpose account and inexperienced with Wikipedia, e.g. notability and verifiability requirements, article formatting, understanding of various policies and guidelines etc. etc., but there is such a thing as refusal to get the point. Why not spend your energy creating a WP:NB compliant article for this book, rather than spouting utter nonsense on talk pages?  Dei z  talk 03:54, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. 1. Your "Further Reading" comment was very useful. Thank you. 2. Please give me the direct link to where it states what a Wiki account user can or cannot direct his or her attention to? 3. Please give me the direct link to where it states in Wiki where one should put ones energies? 4. As for my utter nonsense, omg, I am presuming you mean the 'notability' and 'verifiablity' links from the greatest authority on this Wiki Article, Andre the Giant: namely, Shepard Fairey, hello! Not only did I supply that direct link, but I also linked to the excellent "OBEY" wiki link. Maybe your cursor was frozen?

However, I can assure you that 'deletion' is not a wiki policy. Let me quote you Wiki policy, "If the page can be improved, this should be solved through regular editing, rather than deletion." In other words, get off your meaningless platitudes and find a subject you might know something about. For starters, you might learn something about 'nonsense', which, again, it appears you know nothing about but love to spout meaninglessly about.

I will edit the sentence and reinsert it the next chance I get. I look forword to your valued edits -- not deletion of the "History" of Andre the Giant.

--Baby fu baby (talk) 17:42, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Just to clarify: my comments on the book related to the main Shepard Fairey article, where its mention seemed valid as Fairey had praised it on his site. Whether it's relevant in this article or not, I don't know.  Ty  01:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

A section or snippet on the Barack Obama versions?
Shepard Fairey endorses Barack Obama and has worked on his campaign. Ever since he announced his candidacy for president I've been seeing Obama stencils based on the Obey Giant springing up everywhere. I'm not sure where it would fit, since it's not a parody like the Tattoo or Palin ones because it's straight from Fairey himself. Should we have a mention of this in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.107.80.74 (talk) 13:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Change title to Obey Giant
I think we should change the title of this article to "Obey Giant." That is in fact the name that Shepard has chosen, as in http://www.obeygiant.com Iconic D (talk) 05:44, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Contested speedy delete of sticker image
Apologies if I dorked up adding the hangon tag. Couldn't see an explanation on here as to why the image should be deleted, and as the image is of the sticker that started the reason for this article, I'd think there should be an awfully good reason for deleting it. BrianDeacon (talk) 05:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Not everyone is happy with this artist/phenomenon
I believe the article is not balanced. Many believe that the art is plagiarized. Please read this page for an example http://www.art-for-a-change.com/Obey/index.htm You don't even need to read it, just browse the images. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ciper (talk • contribs) 07:37, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. More to the point, though, the entire article is subjective as it is, and incredibly biased.  It goes to great lengths to absolve the phenomenon's creator of any wrongdoing, and transparently attempts to refute against any and all criticism without offering any real counter-argument.WildlifeAnalysis (talk) 02:52, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Some notes
Reviewing ATGHAP page after hearing I had been "buffed", not only did I put it back, I cleaned up some other stuff. Mostly little. But one of the things that sort of irritated me is the presence BOBEY sticker. It IS indicative of the parody stuff, but there are better known parodies. What bugged me most was in reviewing the changes when it appeared, it looks as if someone was is just getting their stuff "up" by tagging the page.

Which in itself is cool but the bite itself is kind of lame. Like I said, I think there are better examples, ones that are less obscure.

Another thing that caught my eye is that the page seems looser and less informative then it had been previously. Maybe I'm mistaken but a lot of the quotes from "critics" [sic] come across as derivative and inconsequential.

People get hung up on OBEY GIANT vs ATGHAP so maybe there should be another, separate OBEY page, and one which outlines the present status of the project/experiment (ie OBEY).

Lastly, the plagiarism accusations are something that is not new per se to the work, but now that Shepard has got all this attention it seems to have picked up steam. It is one of those things that come along with all the other stuff: Fame, notoriety, longevity, perhaps even relevancy (?). In any case, since FSH is doing all the stuff by hand (exacto on rubylith of imagery; silk-screened), the accusation can certainly to be argued. My point however is that while noteworthy, it seems out of place as the lead-off for the article's main body.

Also, and possibly worthy of addition, is that the phrase, "Andre the Giant has a posse" was inspired by the Sir Mix-A-Lot track, "My Posse's On Broadway" and the idea of rap "posses" at the time (1988-89). FSH was doing a piss-take on it all, very true to his punk rock/skate rat roots in this sense. But worth recalling is that in 1989 sampling was a VERY BIG DEAL. Nearly all hip-hop artists were being accused of...plagiarism. Worth noting. Mongonikol (talk) 20:53, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

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Obey?
I cannot find how the change into "OBEY" went ('stylistically and semantically'). Can someone add that to the article? -DePiep (talk) 21:06, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

1990 Buddy Cianci Campaign billboard ad defacement
I did not see any reference to the 1990 Buddy Cianci Billboard ad Defacement. According to a September 2019 article in obeygiant.com Shepard pasted the face of Andre The Giant over Buddy Cianci's face and replaced the word 'Cianci' with 'Andre'. This sparked media attention as Buddy Cianci was running for Mayor for a second time after being forced to step down after he was found guilty of Assault on his ex-wife's lover years earlier. Cianci still was very well liked amongst Providence residents and this caused a bit of controversy towards Shepard.

What Appropriation?
I understand that some argue that this artist appropriates other work: but the section on appropriation has no examples of this at all. Instead it consists of a lawsuit claiming that another artist appropriated *his* work, followed by a vague paragraph with no evidence whatsoever. Surely someone can come up with something concrete: otherwise I would strongly urge that this section be deleted.

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United Newfoundland Party

The United Newfoundland Party was the name of two conservative parties in Newfoundland.

Pre-Confederation
The first UNP was a conservative party in the Dominion of Newfoundland led by Frederick C. Alderdice from 1928 to 1934. It was organized by Alderdice when disaffected Liberals joined his Liberal-Conservative Progressive Party sitting in opposition and won the 1932 general election. His government was replaced by an appointed Commission of Government in 1934 (a change his party promised in its 1932 platform as a means of getting the Dominion out of fiscal trouble), resulting in the termination of responsible government in the Dominion. (See also Conservative parties in Newfoundland (pre-Confederation).)

Post-Confederation
The second United Newfoundland Party was formed prior to the 1959 provincial election, made up of some Progressive Conservative Party of Newfoundland and Labrador caucus members and supporters. The party was formed immediately prior to the election when two Tory MHAs, led by James D. Higgins, supported Premier Joey Smallwood's stance in favour of Newfoundland receiving financial assistance from the federal government indefinitely. Provincial Conservative leader Malcolm Mercer Hollett supported the position of Conservative Prime Minister John Diefenbaker, who maintained that the funding agreement between the two orders of government had run its course. While two UNP MHAs were elected in 1959, Higgins was defeated. Gus Duffy succeeded Higgins as UNP leader. He sat with fellow UNP MHA John R. O'Dea, who stepped down after one term. In the 1962 provincial election, Duffy was defeated in his St. John's Centre riding. The party became defunct soon after.

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Hello! I have been an anonymous user on Wikipedia since 2003, and mostly contributed good articles and edits, but sometimes edited to make a point. I have come out of the shadows for I believe in the philosophy behind Wikipedia, and think it is better to contribute honestly and cooperatively towards a worthwhile goal.

I am mainly interested in archaeology and history.

My significant contributions (either beginning or expansion) are to: Edward Clodd, Morris Ernst, Hilda Morley, Vicente Rocafuerte, Kutik-Inshushinak, Choqa Zanbil, List of rulers of Elam, Liber Linteus

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I think that featured articles ought to be tagged at a revision that is known quality, but edits allowed to continue. A user can then either choose to see the articles with later edits, or a 'proven' article (anonymous users would have this second choice as default). This would allow a core of good quality articles to be available for research, which could be used with confidence in their credibility (a mark can be put on the page), while not greatly affecting access to editing. If major revisions are made to a featured article, it can be reassessed, and its tag moved forward to take in the new edits and make them visible to all.

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No need to post here a welcome message for I have used Wikipedia for some years now. Thanks, Oswax 06:16, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Darwin's Nationality
I've a memory of a to and fro about this sometime in the last six months, but from a quick look don't see anything obvious on the talk page: it may have been in notes to edits. Can I suggest discussing this in the article talk page? Thanks, ...dave souza 00:37, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Pilatus' user page
Have a pint for removing the vandalism from my user page! Pilatus 18:34, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Still around?
Hey Oswax, you still around? I wrote some comments in response to you on the ancient near eastern chronology talk page. john k 05:09, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Genocides in history
Thank you for you gracious apology. I took no offence at anything you wrote and I hope you did not take any offence to anything I wrote because no offence was intended. I look forward to working with you in the future. --Philip Baird Shearer 18:37, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Kutik-Inshushinak
Could you provide a reference for the Kutik-Inshushinak article? Thanks. --Bejnar 19:39, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Your Tuppence
This is an excellent idea. --Gavin 04:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

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Alex Tobin

Alexander Hugh Tobin (born 3 November 1965) is an Australian former professional soccer player who played as a centre-back. He is the fifth-most capped player for the Australia national team with 87 'A' appearances, including 30 as captain. He made his international debut on 9 March 1988 in an Olympic qualifying match against Taiwan (3–2) in Adelaide.

Club career
Tobin spent his entire club career playing in Australia. He played most of his club career as a defender with Adelaide City in the National Soccer League. Alex left Adelaide City in 2000, after sixteen years with the club, to join Parramatta Power. He finished his career with Northern Spirit. Tobin played a total of 522 senior club games in Australia.

Tobin worked for the Central Coast Mariners as assistant first team coach.

The Alex Tobin Medal
In 2008, the PFA Alex Tobin OAM Medal was inaugurated by the Professional Footballers Australia (PFA). It is to be awarded annually by the PFA to a current, or a former, player based on four attributes demonstrated by Alex Tobin throughout his career and which reflect the philosophy of the PFA: Leadership, achievement as a player, commitment to ones fellow professionals and service and dedication to the game. The first two medals were conferred on Joe Marston and, posthumously, Johnny Warren.

International

 * Scores and results list Australia's goal tally first, score column indicates score after each Tobin goal.

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Honours
Adelaide City:
 * NSL Championship: 1986, 1991–92, 1993–94
 * NSL Cup: 1989, 1991–92
 * Oceania Club Championship: 1987

Australia
 * OFC Nations Cup: 1996

Individual
 * FFA Hall of Champions Inductee – 2007
 * Joe Marston Medal: 1991–92, 1993–94 with Adelaide City

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Talk:Caul

"There are two types of caul membranes, and there are four ways such cauls can appear."
Only one type of caul, and two variants are described? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.49.99.114 (talk) 04:20, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Caul vs. Amniotic Sac
I think "remnants" is the key word.

This article contradicts itself. At the bottom it says the caul is also called The Veil but then it says "Not to be confused with the remnants of the amnion or birth sac" which is exactly the definition previously given for caul.

So does the folk tradition hold that these are two different things? I'm confused.

I came to the same conclusion as the above unsigned comment, and I added the "contradict" template. I entered "amnion" in the Wikipedia search field and it redirected to "amniotic sac", exactly what the caul is supposedly made of. Art LaPella 03:10, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

"Not to be confused..." is the contradictory sentence that should be removed; the rest of that paragraph is redundant. I removed both to make the article self-consistent. B.Wind 10:04, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

 * The article still contradicts itself: "A caul ... is a thin, filmy membrane, the remnants of the amniotic sac," in the first paragraph, and "A distinction needs to be made in relation to the birth caul and the adhesion of the birth (amniotic) sac to the face or head of a child at birth. The birth caul, more usually just called a caul, is a complete membrane covering the face of the child. The amniotic sac, or amnion, is another completely different kind of membrane" later. For what it's worth, the second description is the understanding I always had while growing up, but I've haven't any medical references for it. As for folklore, as a caulbearer myself I was told it meant I would be a werewolf. Again for what it's worth, though -- the only reference is my own memory, and I don't even remember whether it was my grandmother herself who said it or my mom who said it was what my grandmother said! Then again, for "folklore", is there a better reference than the folk?--Bedawyn 16:56, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I've added the Expert tag in the hope that someone who actually knows whereof they speak can clarify this with references. My understanding -- from years of reading off and on about cauls but with no obstetric training -- is that many babies are born "en caul", with remnants of the amniotic sac that can be wiped off. A few babies are born "with a caul", a membrane that covers the face and has folklore attached to it. I don't know whether this is medically part as the amniotic sac or not, but what makes it special in folklore is not its physiological origin but its position as an unruptured veil, and the term "caul" in common usage (not medical terminology) refers only to the facial veil. It seems sensible to me that modern Western doctors would make no distinction between a veil and (other) amniotic remnants, while folklore makes a very large distinction. But as we all know, the world is rarely sensible, so I'd very much appreciate it if someone with obstetric training could let us know whether there is in fact a difference between the two types of membrane (regardless of whether Western medicine considers the difference important or not).

On a related note, I believe the text "The birth caul cannot be wiped off the child's face but must be carefully peeled off" is also referring to folklore rather than medical fact, but have no source for that. That is, I don't know whether a true caul can be wiped off or not, but I know folklore says it shouldn't be just wiped off, but should be carefully removed and preserved.--Bedawyn 23:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Famous People
Are there any famous people who were known or rumored to be born with a Caul?

==I was born with a caul but I am not famous...or at least not yet!

According to Wikipedia, British World War 2 entertainer George Formby was born with a caul that made him temporarily blind. Hardly harmless? Albert Einstein — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.49.202.124 (talk) 08:51, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Caulbearer
I merged the caulbearer article and redirected it here because I don't think a separate article is necessary. Also, this article already discussed the legends. I just put the material in a new section rather than fully integrating it because the information should be verified by a reliable source. -- Kjkolb 05:48, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

the birth caul
does anyone have info on the history of the birth caul,i have a friend who claims to have a birth caul,said to be lucky charm for sailors.any idea what theyre worth?

From what I've heard of it from grandparents and other older relatives the caul should never be sold, damaged or given away, but rather kept by or for the person who was born with it. You might find that the caul is sometimes called the birth veil.

Quotes
In August someone added the quotation marks to the Dickens quote -- is that standard Wikipedia style? It's not proper formatting in general -- quoted text should be given quotation marks or block-indented, but not both. If I'd seen Wikipedia recommend both, I'm sure I'd have complained before and remembered it, but I haven't time to hunt up the style pages now. If no one else fixes it sooner, at least this note will remind me to look it up when I have the time later. On the other hand, my copyeditor's heart is screaming at leaving it as is, especially given how disproportionately huge the curly quotes are, so I'll go ahead and fix it now. If you have time to look up the style guides and they recommend using both, feel free to revert and I'll take it up with the style folks when I have time.--Bedawyn 00:26, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

what does it mean in the bible
what does it mean in the bible Leviticus 3:4 and the caul above the liver,? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 146.235.66.52 (talk) 14:36, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

 * Sounds like they are talking about the top of the peritoneum. 66.215.179.199 (talk) 10:17, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Split the headgear section off
I was mystified as to what this had to do with fashion until I saw the short section at the bottom. I really think that should be a separate article. Any arguments as to why it should stay? Daniel Case 20:49, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

There being none in two weeks, it goes. Daniel Case 13:52, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Legend v. Myth
To my mind, all references to 'legend' are erroneous and ought to read 'myth'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.68.12.184 (talk) 21:27, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Uncited trivia
It seems obvious to me that everything after the Dickens quote in the Legend section has to be removed, being unsubstantiated for a very long time. The same applies to the entire section Notable people and fictional characters "born in the caul". What do others say? Maybe we could lodge some of it in the Talk page to allow devotees a further period to find references. Aeronian (talk) 05:55, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

positive myths and physiological basis, expert attention
I think the paragraph starting with "The positive myths associated with being born in the caul have a physiological basis ..." is the last remaining medicinically dubious part of this article. After that the expert attention template should go. Tomdo08 (talk) 05:12, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

 * The experts have been here, at least for the original problems. Therefor I will remove the expert attention template. -- Tomdo08 (talk) 23:31, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Caul Bearers United: edit war
There is much documented lore surrounding the caul dating back to the year 208 AD and up to present day. Those born with the caul are referred to as "caul bearers", and a large number attest to possessing gifts of clairvoyance and other types of "supernatural" abilities.

Because this isn't about obstetrics, I moved it out of the "Obstetrics" section and into "Superstition", and changed the wording:

Caul births have been recorded as early as AD 208. Many "caul bearers" claim gifts of clairvoyance and other supernatural abilities.

I don't think I removed any information by shortening it, but reasonable people may disagree. The author of the paragraph put it back exactly as before.

Why does the existence of "documented lore" (whatever that means) call for a citation (to "Caul Bearers United", not my first choice for a neutral source), while the claim of magic powers does not? —Tamfang (talk) 20:05, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

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Point well taken, Tamfang, and I appreciate your input. The Caul page is a work in progress. So, what I did was to remove the "Superstition" category which shouldn't actually be a category on this page. In its stead, I added in "History and Indications", "Traditions", and "Literary/Arts References" for clarity.

I also changed "documented lore" to "documented history", and with the link to the Caul Bearers United "Authentic Caul History" page (not just the site) I added in the title and the author of said documented history. CBU is the only website to contain this information.

I just wanted to add MHO here, which is that the very nature of Wikipedia is to educate individuals seeking answers to their topic questions. If a person is going to edit the educational material on any page of Wikipedia, they themselves should be intimately familiar with the topic in question. They also should ultimately read/research the links provided to understand where they are being guided to and why as they edit. Caul bearers do not claim to have "magic powers" as you have indicated. And, you may be right that there ought to be a reference page for the fact that many will attest to possessing clairvoyance and other "supernatural" abilities. And I will work on this. (I, of course, didn't invent the word "supernatural", nor do I like the word -- which is why I put it in quotations. But our culture and language force this type of wording for those of the scientific mind, which is by no means, everybody.  To my knowledge, there is no respectable word with the same meaning in the English language.)

I appreciate your input, and by no means consider this an "edit war." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.92.129.102 (talk) 21:50, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

 * I guess I'm not enough of an expert to understand the distinction between "clairvoyance and other types of 'supernatural' abilities" and "magic powers".
 * I'm puzzled by this use of the word Indications, which in a medical context usually means the symptoms for which a given treatment is appropriate; it doesn't obviously go along with History.
 * To attest is to be a neutral witness (the root ultimately means 'third party'). One can't attest to one's own claim. —Tamfang (talk) 22:22, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

 * I forgot that I've most often seen the word attest in historical linguistics: an usage is attested if a clear example exists "in the wild". —Tamfang (talk) 05:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

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"Indications" in this instance is not used in the medical context. It is used in the natural context, meaning "characteristics" or "traits", which fits perfectly with "History." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shannon Lee Wolf (talk • contribs) 23:26, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

 * In a non-medical context, I'd read indications as a synonym of signs (in the sense of evidence), not characteristics. Either way, how does it fit better with "History" than with the medical description? —Tamfang (talk) 05:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

But...I see you went ahead with what you wanted to do, anyway. I'm not playing elementary school games with you. Have fun by yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shannon Lee Wolf (talk • contribs) 23:39, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

 * Pot, kettle. —Tamfang (talk) 05:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

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Haha, touché! I actually reviewed your changes with fresh eyes (and a better mood) and I found them to be perfectly brilliant. Despite our pov dichotomy, we actually make a pretty good team, and I'm not afraid to say it. I happily also found a word, new to me, to replace "supernatural". In it's place, I added "preternatural" with a wiki link to the word. Couldn't be more perfect. =)

It no longer matters, but just for clarity, from Thesaurus.com:

"Concept Thesaurus Concept:  Indication.  Category:  1. Natural Means  Synonyms:  -nouns indication; symbolism, symbolization; semiology, semiotics, semeiology, semeiotics; Zeitgeist., [means of recognition] lineament, feature, trait, characteristic, diagnostic; divining rod; cloven hoof; footfall., sign, symbol; index, indice, indicator; point, pointer; exponent, note, token, symptom; dollar mark., type, figure, emblem, cipher, device; representation; epigraph, motto, posy., gesture, gesticulation; pantomime; wink, glance, leer; nod, shrug, beck; touch, nudge;..........." (list would fill the page, but you get the idea)

My thinking behind putting it together with "History" was that the history of the caul is in fact, very much inclusive of caul bearer characteristics. This being said, much of the history also includes scads of lore, which, in those times, were considered indications or characteristics of those born with the caul. So, there is a bit of a blending there, but with some distinctions. In today's world, which is the only one I can personally relate to, only portions of such lore apply to reality. I am a caul bearer myself, and know many others, and we can all attest to the fact that we share many preternatural traits. So, the information that I have gathered comes from personal experience, combined with the personal experiences of many others -- some of which agrees with portions of the lore, but most do not. For me...this points to historical value rather than medieval comparison.

However, at this juncture, it matters not. I am pleased with the set-up and feel it needs no further tweaking. You may disagree, and it's fine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shannon Lee Wolf (talk • contribs) 16:33, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Addition to Literature
Orson Scott Card's "Tales of Alvin Maker Series" travels a thread from the first of I believe six books, "Seventh Son", whereby the main character is born with a caul that a little girl present at his birth must save, and throughout their lives, use its properties to guide the pathways of his life away from millions of paths leading to death and down paths of significant fulfillment. Thistledowne (talk) 17:43, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Film
In the film http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conversation the main character is named harry caul and can be seen wearing a transparent raincoat, most probably symbolizing a caul. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.220.102.24 (talk) 23:45, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Kudlak and Kresnik
The poorly explained and poorly cited part under the history section that reads "Not all cultural beliefs about cauls are positive. In Romanian folklore, babies born with a caul are said to become vampires upon death.[citation needed]" is likely refering to Kudlaks and Kresniks. spirits of dark and light respectively, with kudlaks becoming vampires after death

These sources touch briefly on them, but better sources and explanations surely exist

http://www.vampirerave.com/member_articles2.php?entry=159 http://mythsandlegends.altervista.org/sample.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hatesdigimon (talk • contribs) 07:51, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

In Italian
In Italian I know just "nascere con la camicia" and not "vitta" (that is a very uncommon name). In any case, should be "camicia" and not "camisia" and I do not know why there is "indusium" as well into brackets... Whilst I wait for your response, I am going to change at least camisia in camicia. --Elcaracol (talk) 00:31, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

PS: I have deleted "for girls" because it is not just for girls and "indusium", that is Latin and not Italian. --Elcaracol (talk) 00:37, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

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Brad Neely

Brad Neely (born October 26, 1976) is an American comic book artist and television writer/producer known for his work on television series such as South Park, China, IL and Brad Neely's Harg Nallin' Sclopio Peepio, the web series I Am Baby Cakes and The Professor Brothers, and Wizard People, Dear Reader.

Wizard People, Dear Reader
Neely wrote and recorded the Harry Potter spoof Wizard People, Dear Reader in 2003. This audio track replaces the audio for the movie Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, to be played along with the images but rewriting the story, such as making Harry Potter a drunkard. Neely says that the project idea came while in a bar; he and his friends were watching a man wearing headphones and guessing what he was listening to, and Neely began improvising scenes from an imaginary Harry Potter book on tape. According to the Arkansas Times, "as the story nears its end, the narrator increasingly confuses the plot to the point that you begin to wonder if he's paying attention."

After making copies for friends and posting it on the internet, it became an underground sensation. It was played at the New York Underground Film Festival, reviewed in the New York Times, and discussed in Salon; Neely also performed live versions. Shows in the East Coast were cancelled after Warner Bros., the owner of the original film, said that if the shows went ahead, the venues hosting could never show any Warner Bros. films again.

Neely is included in the documentary We Are Wizards, a documentary that looks at Harry Potter fans and the musical acts inspired by the novels.

Early work
Neely is the creator of the animation Cox & Combes' Washington. A rap-filled revisionist take on George Washington, it was included in Spike & Mike's Sick and Twisted Festival of Animation 2007. A reviewer for the Chicago Reader called it "a real find", and it was popular online.

Neely was a writer for the animated series South Park in 2007 and 2009. He has also produced America Now, a 12-part series of 30-second musical shorts for Adult Swim, which was made available on the station's website.

Work set in China, Illinois
Neely has created three web animation series set in the fictional town of China, Illinois: I Am Baby Cakes, The Professor Brothers, and China, IL. Baby Cakes shorts are typically in the style of diary entries narrated in the first person by Mark "Baby" Cakes, a philosophical and possibly mentally ill 30-year-old man. The Professor Brothers follows the professional and personal misadventures of Frank and Steve Smith, two brothers who are professors at a local community college whose mascot is a panda bear. China, IL interweaves the two stories, as Baby Cakes falls in love with Frank's recently dead girlfriend after finding her diary, and the two men attempt to come to terms with their emotional pain upon learning of her death.

China, IL was adapted into a TV series of the same name by Cartoon Network and Adult Swim. On May 5, 2008, Super Deluxe began releasing a four-part mini-series by Neely entitled China, IL. The site published an installment once a week, culminating on May 25 with a broadcast of the entire series as one 11-minute episode on Adult Swim. The show was the first original Brad Neely work to be shown on television. On May 23, 2011, Adult Swim announced that China, IL would be one of the new full-length premieres for the fall line-up with Neely having creative and executive producer credits. The first episode was broadcast on October 2, 2011, on Adult Swim. The series ran for three seasons and the last episode, "Magical Pet", aired on June 14, 2015.

Later work
Neely's second series for Adult Swim, Brad Neely's Harg Nallin' Sclopio Peepio, was announced in May 2015. It was canceled after one season.

In January 2020 it was reported that CBS All Access had ordered an animated comedy series titled The Harper House developed by Neely and Katie Krentz. In October 2020, the cast was announced, including Rhea Seehorn, Jason Lee, Tatiana Maslany and Ryan Flynn as the Harper family.

Comics and writing
Neely's began the comic series "Creased Comics", a single-paneled comic, in 1996. The Arkansas Times, in a 2007 article, called the style "purposefully crude" and said that "the comics are far from obvious—sometimes head-scratchingly far—but when he’s at his best, Neely could be our generation’s answer to Gary Larson." Creased Comics ran in the Portland Mercury, starting in 2013. In 2007, Creased Comics was available online, but now links to Neely's other projects.

Neely will publish his first novel, a parody biography titled You, Me, and Ulysses S. Grant, in 2024. He had begun working on a novel about the Civil War as early as 2007. When asked about it at an event at the Alamo Drafthouse in Austin, Texas, said, "I realized about 500 pages in that it wasn't that funny", and said that he was no longer planning on releasing the book. In a November 2013 Q&A session on Reddit, Neely said, "I work on this book every day. It's become a problem."

Personal life
Brad Neely is originally from Fort Smith, Arkansas. He came from a religious background, which he described as "low-hanging fruit for irreverent comedy". When asked about his beliefs in 2013 he said, "Jury's out, man. I mean, it's impossible to say either way." Neely briefly attended the Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts. He lived in Austin, Texas for ten years, and as of 2013 was living in Los Angeles.

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