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Peter Wilt

Peter Wilt is a soccer executive who was the first president and general manager of the Chicago Fire in Major League Soccer. He led an effort to expand the MLS franchise to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and maintains strong connections to the sport of soccer in the Midwest, especially Chicago. Wilt is most known for his work with the Chicago Fire, where he gained a reputation for being a fan-friendly businessman in the soccer world.

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Peter Wilt was born in McHenry, Illinois, and gained his start in sports working for the Milwaukee Brewers baseball and Milwaukee Admirals hockey teams before breaking into soccer with the Milwaukee Wave.

Wilt was known for answering questions from fans through the BigSoccer Internet message boards, and now maintains his own blog on Chicago soccer issues.

In his seven seasons as Chicago's GM, the Fire won one MLS Cup, three U.S. Open Cups and one Supporters' Shield. In 2005, Wilt was fired by Anschutz Entertainment Group, the team's owner, a move which was protested by fans in Chicago. The following year, he became the chief executive officer of Milwaukee Professional Soccer (a group bidding to bring an MLS franchise to Milwaukee), but left the position to become CEO of the Chicago Red Stars Chicago's Women's Professional Soccer team that started play in 2009. After one season, Wilt left the Red Stars for a front office position with the Milwaukee Wave. After one season with the Wave, Wilt founded the now defunct expansion MISL side Chicago Riot.

In late 2012, Wilt led an effort with a group of Indianapolis, Indiana investors headed by Ersal Ozdemir to determine the viability of the market to support a North American Soccer League team in the city with eventual hopes to join MLS. On January 16, 2013, the league awarded Indianapolis the league's twelfth franchise, naming Wilt the team President that day. The team, known as Indy Eleven, began play in the 2014 season.

In January 2016, Wilt stepped down from his role with the Indy 11 to pursue an NASL team in Chicago. He later announced that works were in progress to secure short-term and long-term stadium options combined with exploring investors and supporter ownership structures.

On June 6, 2017, Wilt was announced that the newly formed National Independent Soccer Association would begin play in 2018 targeting an initial 8 to 10 teams, later revised to 8 to 12 teams. The league has also outlined plans to introduce a promotion/relegation system, once they reach their goal of 24 teams, the first in US professional soccer and in doing so act as a feeder league to the North American Soccer League.

On May 17, 2018, Wilt left the NISA to help start up a future professional team in Madison, Wisconsin of the USL League One, later named Forward Madison FC. A committee of club owners has been formed to elect new leadership within the organization. Wilt was also named the managing director of Green Bay Voyageurs FC, Forward Madison's affiliate in USL League Two.

On October 24, 2019, Forward Madison announced Wilt's departure from the club in order to take a role with the USL.

On September 10, 2020, the National Independent Soccer Association (NISA) announced that an investor group, led by league founder Peter Wilt, had applied for a club to play in the Chicago market.

On January 10, 2024, the Open Soccer Alliance with Peter Wilt as chief strategic officer. The group was created to, "To unite advocates for an open system structure of professional and amateur soccer."

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Talk:Traveling-wave tube

Article name and spelling
First, a spelling nit: while "travelling" (two Ls) is acceptable, the more common spelling of this word is "traveling". (It's listed first in most dictionaries, and is the spelling used by all major TWT manufacturers.)

Since this article is almost exclusively dedicated to a discussion of the traveling wave tube (and not the amplifiers designed around them), I'd have preferred to see it titled "Traveling Wave Tube" without the appended "Amplifier". At least one other editor would seem to agree with me; refer to the usage note added earlier.

Anyone else care to weigh in? Engineer Bob 05:27, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree. This article should be "Traveling Wave Tube". miterdale 14:34, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Since there were no objections, the article has been moved as suggested; and the amplifier information has been moved to Traveling wave tube amplifier. I'm also cleaning up all of the redirects. Engineer Bob 23:08, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

"travelling" (two Ls) is acceptable is the original UK spelling. The original UK spelling is usually used by UK manufacturers.

 * Rudy and John both spelled it with one L on their books, so let's leave it alone. Dicklyon (talk) 17:40, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Merge or not?
The merged article as it existed before today (covering both TWT and TWTA) had a major weakness. As we all know, a TWTA is a complex piece of electronic equipment while a TWT is the equally complex microwave tube used inside. The previous article had the TWTA title but was almost exclusively focused on TWTs. I moved the TWTA information to a separate article, allowing people to expand that article to address the finer points of EPCs and linearizers while keeping this article focused on the tube itself. Half an hour later, it's been nominated for a merge. I'm obviously not in favor; it makes about as much sense as merging the automobile and internal combustion engine articles. However, if a merge is deemed appropriate by the majority, then I believe the primary article should remain "Traveling wave tube" with a section on TWTAs. Other opinions? Engineer Bob 23:57, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Or merging magnetron with microwave oven. Unless someone (perhaps User:The Anome) can explain why they think they should be merged, I think the merge banner can be removed. If there is a real desire for a merge then I agree that the page should be primarily about the TWT with a section on TWTA (as for the other high power vacume tubes). miterdale 13:36, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Since no further discussion or rationale has been offered, I have removed the merge tag. Engineer Bob 06:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Picture
Does the diagram actually show a TWT with a 4 stage depressed collector? Do such TWT's exist - most I came across was two stage. Suppose we could do with a paragraph on why depressed collectors are used too (might get round to it :-). miterdale 14:40, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Hard to tell for sure -- but yes, the diagram does appear to show a 4-stage collector. I've seen as many as five collector stages in some space TWTs (where the small increase in efficiency is worth it), but radar TWTs tend to be designed with not more than 2 stages. Engineer Bob 18:29, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

The diagram shows a 4-stage collector, which is used, as Engineer Bob pointed out, when efficiency is at a premium, e.g. in space helix TWTs. --Willus 12:58, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Bandwidth
What do we actually mean by wide bandwidth wrt TWTs? I've used pulsed coupled cavity TWTs with 50kW peak power, and 500MHz bandwidth at 9.75GHz - in my option pretty good bandwidth :-) miterdale 14:34, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Helix TWTs have an inherently wideband structure and can easily achieve up to an octave of bandwidth (especially CW communications tubes). Coupled cavity tubes are more typically limited to 5-10% of the center frequency.  Engineer Bob 18:29, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

How come the word "octave" is used to describe the bandwidth? Octaves are logaritmic units (like dB), do that doesn't really say anything about the BW, or am I just being stupid here? /Alkanen, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The word octave actually originates in music, and corresponds to a doubling in frequency (on a musical scale it's a span of eight notes, hence the root 'oct'). For bandwidth, an octave is a range of frequencies where the upper limit is double the lower limit.  For example, 4-8 GHz is an octave of bandwidth. Engineer Bob 21:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * More specifically, you could design TWTs that could be designed for an octave bandwidth, and select the actual frequency later. For that reason, the design of TWTs for military applications are usually not secret. Gah4 (talk) 04:06, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * More specifically, you could design TWTs that could be designed for an octave bandwidth, and select the actual frequency later. For that reason, the design of TWTs for military applications are usually not secret. Gah4 (talk) 04:06, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * More specifically, you could design TWTs that could be designed for an octave bandwidth, and select the actual frequency later. For that reason, the design of TWTs for military applications are usually not secret. Gah4 (talk) 04:06, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Uses
I've worked on several TWT based systems (airborne surveilance, ground based surveilance/fire control, naval ECM), so don't think we should make the 'particularly in airborne fire-control radar systems' statement. Maybe a statement of why high bandwidth is useful for radar/ECM (frequency agility, narrow pulses/chirped pulses, etc.)? miterdale 14:34, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes, TWTs are used in many types of radars (although many of the higher-power systems use a TWT preamp driving a crossed-field amplifier ... another article waiting to be written?)  I added the 'airborne fire-control radar' note as an initial attempt to expand the 'radar' one-liner; that obviously reflects my own background, and I'd welcome additional edits in this paragraph. As for ECM applications, that probably deserves an additional paragraph of its own. Engineer Bob 18:29, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Backward waves
Is it possible to replace the attenuation by a ferrite that acts like an isolator (circulator) ? --Arnero 06:40, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I suppose anything is possible, but putting magnetics near the electron beam is generally a bad idea and would complicate the focusing structure. The attenuation material is commonly made of some form of RF-absorbing graphite, and many helix TWTs have a physical sever between sections so that the isolation is excellent (well over 100 dB). --Willus 12:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

The never-mentioned acronym: TWAT
Early in my career I learned this was once referred to as a TWAT (convencient pronunciation of TWT, but also for Traveling Wave Amplifier Tube), and I confirmed this with older engineers who had been employed in the 1950s. Older microwave engineers I have talked to all seem to know this term, but one never sees it in print for obvious reasons, especially in these modern times when the engineering profession isn't almost exclusively male. I think this historical tidbit deserves a mention. -Axlq 05:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

 * It might deserve a mention if you could find it in print. In the 33 years that I knew John Pierce, he only used TWT and TWTA.  I never heard TWAT (or not in that context, I mean).  It's probably just a way to pronounce TWT. Dicklyon 05:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

 * That's the problem, it's one of those terms that occur in conversation and informal reports, but generally not in print. In the 22 years I've been in the radar cross section measurement business, I've seen and heard it called TWAT (in informal contexts) as well as TWT. It's like the mnemonic to remember the resistor color code; the really memorable version doesn't appear in any textbook.
 * However, after some searching, I actually did find a few references for TWAT:
 * Definition in thefreedictionary acronyms
 * Federation of American Scientists acronyms - I might add that fas.org is considered a respectable source in military circles
 * Here's even a patent that uses the term!
 * I think it's valid to include. -Axlq 06:19, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd support including the alternate acronym, but only a quick mention -- for example:
 * "The device has also occasionally been referred to as a traveling wave amplifier tube, or TWAT."

-- Engineer Bob 09:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

 * That'd be fine if you cite a source. Dicklyon 17:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The acronym definition on fas.org or the patent I cited above aren't enough? =Axlq 03:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Seems OK. Cite one or both. Dicklyon 04:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Axlq, thanks for finally just putting the acronym instead of beating around the bush. Dicklyon 07:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I think all of us who were contributing to that sentence were beating around the bush. I finally realized something I read in a policy somewhere, "Wikipedia is not censored." So be it. -Axlq 15:28, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

(Responding to recent edit from Dicklyon) gentlemen, I realize there seems to be this compelling need to bring up the TWIT and TWAT stuff, but can we keep this towards the end of the article? As far as I'm concerned, both are archaic and basically unused today, and both make the device sound, for lack of a better term, stupid. I don't feel we should lead the article with them and get people using them again. I've been involved with TWTs for 15 years. I've been to five of nine international vacuum electronics conferences since 2000, where the TWT is front and center, and 400 participants come from around the globe. I've done a search on the IEEE journal database. I have never heard either of these uses, except on Wikipedia. The only term I regularly hear is "tweetuh" for a TWTA or "El-tweetuh" for a linearized TWTA. Willus (talk) 13:30, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

BTW, this has also been discussed on Axlq's talk page. Willus (talk) 14:33, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

 * I would be happy to omit them entirely; we know of only a single document that says TWAT stands for traveling-wave amplifier tube, and it's probably just wrong (the other one that was listed used TWAT for traveling wave tube, and it was in a patent, so was probably just an attorney's typo). Feel free to fix it. Dicklyon (talk) 15:47, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

 * I'll think about what I'd like to do. I don't think TWAT is "wrong" since Axlq remembers it and claims that older engineers he's talked to remember it, so I'm fine (and Axlq was, too) keeping it and giving it a less prominent position and also making it clear that it's outdated.  Do you have any suggestions for an alternate place for it?  Willus (talk) 19:13, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

 * I don't mind putting it elsewhere in the article. but I think it deserves mention somewhere. I listed three sources near the top of this discussion that mention it. We were using it in the 1980s but the term was falling out of favor - I surmise that may be due to more women becoming engineers. A Vietnam-era radar operator and other engineers from the 1950s told me their use of the term was routine. The term has historical interest but I agree it isn't something you see in use nowadays, except in older documents. =Axlq 04:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

 * I agreed before that it should be mentioned if we have a reliable source. At this point, however, I'm not convinced that any of the sources are reliable.  We have it listed in two (or more) acronym dictionaries, but no actual uses in books or papers; the patent use of "TWAT" was for "traveling wave tube", so not very convincing there.  The recollection of people who used it informally is not very relevant.  Five books that include it all have "acronyms" in their title; they seem to copy from each other irrespective of whether the acronym is ever actually used. Google scholar find nothing. Dicklyon (talk) 06:12, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Look at it this way: I challenge you to find a source for the resistor color code mnemonic that everyone knows and uses ("bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly"), but isn't published anywhere you would consider relevant. Yet, there's something notable about an oral tradition that propagates without ever being written down by the practitioners in the field. As such, it deserves mention in an encyclopedia, even if the only sources that can be found aren't textbooks or technical papers.
 * Just look at the citations in electronic color code — a book about literature, and a book of fiction! Naturally less-memorable versions will appear in textbooks. For obvious reasons, that mnemonic as well as the acronym TWAT aren't going to be found easily in technical sources. The fact that I found better sources for TWAT than for the resistor color mnemonic surprises me, frankly. =Axlq 15:31, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Many versions of the color code has been published, and are referenced in wikipedia. Wikipedia is NOT about oral tradition; it's about reliable secondary and tertiary sources. Dicklyon (talk) 15:42, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

 * You missed my point. The version passed on most by oral tradition isn't to be found in a source you would consider valid, but we do the best we can. Same with TWAT. The acronym was used, I'd say widely at one point, and there are references for it, better references than what editors managed to find for the resistor color code. =Axlq 16:50, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

 * I think I got your point, but disagreed with it. The resistor color code and mnemonics for it are well sourced in books (e.g. these 21 with "...our young girls, but...", most of which include "rape" and "gives willingly", and some with "black boys" which makes the most mnemonic sense since it disambiguates black from brown).  The use of "TWAT" for traveling wave amplifier tube appears nowhere exception in acronym compilations, the majority of which share an editor.  No actual uses or discussions of it have been found, and oral history is not what we should be reporting here and unless we find a source about the oral history. Dicklyon (talk) 18:07, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

My feeling is that for something that was mostly an oral tradition, any reference is reasonable, even if it is debatable, since references for oral traditions can be hard to find. How about a "Historical Notes" section at the end of the article where this could be mentioned? Willus (talk) 18:22, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

 * You're saying that for things were reliable sources are hard to come by, we don't need them? Dicklyon (talk) 04:19, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

 * The term I used was "debatable," not "reliable." I got tired of waiting and implemented my suggestion, along with some slight wording changes.  If you guys decide to remove this altogether, I'm fine with it.  It's between the two of you now.  Just please don't put it back near the top of the article. Willus (talk) 14:54, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Looks fine to me. If that's all you wanted to do, we shouldn't have gotten sidetracked by this debate. =Axlq 13:40, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Just wanted to say as a third-person that I think the historical notes section is an adequate solution. I have not been in that business by more than 4 years, but I have never heard other terms than TWT (pronounced as the individual letters) used where I am. -- Slaunger (talk) 22:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

The difference between a klystron and a TWT
I just read this article after eading the klystron article because I would like to familiarize my-self with those two types of RF amplifiers. I sit back with some open questions are reading them

 * 1) I have the impression that if you take a klystron and add a helix wire you have (conceptually) a TWT. Is that correct understood from a birds eye perspective?
 * 2) The concept of the klystron (1939) was developed before the TWT (WWII). Would it be fair to consider a TWT as a refinement of the klystron?
 * 3) The helix wire makes thwe RF signal propagate with the same speed as the electron beam along the tube. Is this what makes the TWT so widebanded?

I do not know what the answers of these questions are, but I think it could be helpfull to add some comparative remarks to klystron (and possibly other types of RF amplifiers that I have yet to learn about) in this article as it helps the reader to navigate and relate the different kinds of amplifiers to each other. -- Slaunger 13:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * In all fairness I should mention that reference is made to the klystron, but I think the some comparative remarks should be moved up in the more introductory text and perhaps be elaborated a little. -- Slaunger 07:41, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Klystrons do velocity modulation to the beam, wait a while, then extract the result. TWT amplify continuously over some distance, but not primarily velocity modulation. For TWT, the EM wave modulates the beam for about the first half, absorbing energy, and then the beam supplies energy to the wave for about the second half. There is no wait a while, as for the klystron. Note that the effect is similar to the way wind affects ocean waves. Gah4 (talk) 08:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Klystrons do velocity modulation to the beam, wait a while, then extract the result. TWT amplify continuously over some distance, but not primarily velocity modulation. For TWT, the EM wave modulates the beam for about the first half, absorbing energy, and then the beam supplies energy to the wave for about the second half. There is no wait a while, as for the klystron. Note that the effect is similar to the way wind affects ocean waves. Gah4 (talk) 08:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Solenoid coil or permenant magnet
64.209.156.12 substantially removed the following:
 * "A solenoid coil wrapped around the tube creates a magnetic field which focuses the electrons into a beam, which then passes down the middle of a wire helix that stretches the length of the tube, finally striking a collector at the other end. (In lower-power devices, the solenoid coil can be replaced by permanent magnets.)"

This was substantially replaced with:
 * A magnetic containment field around the tube focuses the electrons into a beam, which then passes down the middle of a wire helix that stretches from the RF input to the RF output, The electron beam finally striking a collector at the other end. (rem, lower power is not an absolute value and is therefore meaningless)

I think the original was appropriate in the article. Nevertheless, the comment about low power being meaningless is a comment about the article which should have been put on the discussion page, not in the article itself. I removed it. Rsduhamel 21:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I think the original was appropriate, too. The new version removes important information about typical focusing structures in TWTs in favor of something more generic. "Lower power" was not meaningless, as most PPM-focused TWTs (tens to hundreds of watts, but largely dependent on frequency) are indeed "lower power" than most solenoid-focused TWTs (multi-kilowatt, again with lots of wiggle room). Because solenoids require a power source, are heavy, and frequently require cooling, they are typically used only when the beam cannot be adequately focused by a PPM stack, and that typically occurs as beam current (and hence beam power and RF power) increases. At some point, this should be reverted--maybe not exactly to what it was, but with information about solenoids vs. PPM again. I can do it at some point. Willus (talk) 18:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Merge from TWTA into TWT
In Nov. 2005, when there was a consensus to change title from traveling wave tube amplifier to traveling wave tube, Engineer Bob did that, but then also, without any prior suggestion or comment, took out the TWTA bits and made a new article that has remained unreferenced and nearly orphan. I propose we merge it back in as a section or two. Dicklyon (talk) 21:33, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Done; improvements are invited. Dicklyon (talk) 07:45, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Sorry for the delay; I haven't logged in here in several weeks. The re-merge was nicely done, and I concur with the end result. -- Engineer Bob (talk) 03:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Book Spam
Why the removal of the Gilmour reference and the removal of the reference to the IEEE journal search engine from the TWT article on July 3, 2008? The Gilmour reference is not spam. It is very likely the best selling TWT book of the last 20 years (for what that's worth, though I cannot verify that--I suppose I could contact the author and ask how many he has sold). It is on the shelf of a significant number of TWT engineers (though I can only really vouch for U.S. engineers). As for the IEEE, it is the publisher of the proceedings of the annual International Vacuum Electronics Conference (IVEC), which is where most members of the TWT community publish their latest research, so it should be mentioned as the leading repository of modern TWT journal articles. By putting these references with Pierce and Kompfner, I'm trying to give the key modern references for TWTs to contrast to the 50-year old works of the inventors. Willus (talk) 14:14, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

 * It said "In 1994, A.S. Gilmour wrote a modern TWT book[5] which is widely used by U.S. TWT engineers today, and research publications about TWTs are frequently published by the IEEE." The book and author were being promoted, not used as a ref; it work be great to say something supported by the book, and cite it.  As for the IEEE search engine citation, that is basis of the "original research" claim which is probably not otherwise supportable.  Dicklyon (talk) 15:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll come up with something to reference Gilmour. I don't understand your statement about the IEEE search engine. Please clarify. I would like to acknowledge the IEEE as a good source for modern TWT journal papers. How do you think I should do this? Willus (talk) 17:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Using a search result to back up an interpretation is WP:Original research. If you find an actually WP:RS that says that there are still lots of TWT pubs, you could say that, but to search the IEEE and infer it, you can't do.  They're well known as a good source for electronics articles already, so don't worry about; reference a paper or two if you find some interesting content there. Dicklyon (talk) 18:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Reference Style
(moved from my talk page July 9, 2008) Discussion of using just "References" footnoting (status quo) or changing to reference style where books are separated out.

I reverted your major edit because it completely changed the reference style to a more awkward style. Dicklyon (talk) 05:58, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

You know, Dick, I really tried this time, and you keep killing my edits. More awkward is your opinion. Two of the most recent featured articles I looked at (e.g. atom), used exactly the same style. Show me the best way to do multiple book references pointing to different pages in the book. Show me an official Wikipedia guideline that says the style I went to is not preferred. As the TWT articles expands (which I hope to help with, if you'll let me!), there will be more book and journal article references. The other advantage is that moving the books to the end makes the editing area easier to follow. Willus (talk) 12:57, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Yes, more awkward in my opinion; but in general, you don't change an existing ref style (see CITE). If you really need to point to different pages specifically you can list a book more than once.  Or just list the book without pages, or with a range of pages.  Dicklyon (talk) 15:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

 * So I reverted it again. Make you content improvements, but respect the exisiting citation style. Dicklyon (talk) 15:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

So if the initial author's referencing scheme isn't a good fit as the article evolves, we're stuck with it? I can understand the sentiment of that rule, but as I look through featured Wikipedia articles, the ones that have evolved to a lot of references tend to follow the format of, e.g. the atom article. I would like to establish this format now, particularly since I can envision several references to different pages of large books on TWTs (and there are many good ones to choose from) and do not wish to have the same book reference repeated again and again in the edited draft, and it is very helpful to have page numbers for large book references. The more sensible format for multiple book references with different pages is the one I chose. I tried the link to the user who posted the first draft of the TWT article and established the references format, but that user doesn't even seem to exist anymore. Does anybody else feel strongly about this issue? Willus (talk) 20:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

 * I can't see what problem you're trying to solve. Is it just that one of the books is cited on two different pages? Dicklyon (talk) 20:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm thinking long-term here. The TWT article could end up being much more extensive, with several references to the same books, but yes, different pages. It seems like articles with lots of references (that I've looked at) tend towards the reference style in atom. The current reference style in the TWT article doesn't seem to lend itself well to citing different pages out of the same book at different places in the article. Or am I missing something? Willus (talk) 23:16, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

 * I'd say it's not broke; so don't fix it. Dicklyon (talk) 23:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

It is broken to me. I changed it because I want to make it easier to edit this article. Putting the exact same citation information in the edited text several times for any given book is tedious, more mistake prone, and harder to edit, which is exactly why articles like atom use the style they do. If you can't offer me a better alternative, then why not leave my edits in and see if other people might actually appreciate them before undoing them so hastily. With the atom reference style which I tried to implement, it is easier for me and for others to reference other parts of a book which is already cited. Willus (talk) 01:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

 * I prefer the style that we have, and the general policy is to not change it. You don't have to put a ref in twice to use it twice; just use a name as in . Dicklyon (talk) 01:26, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

does not allow specifying unique page numbers for the same book in different references. In the book by Pond for example, which is an excellent new book about TWTs which I can foresee citing in numerous places, the index is very poor and page numbers are critical to checking the citations. I'm offering a way to improve the article in terms of looking up citations and for future editing. Do you plan on having this article grow and improve, or do you prefer that it stagnate? Willus (talk) 03:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Template:Rp allows unique page numbers. — Athaenara  ✉  10:55, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

 * It's not my impression that the reference style will prevent growth. If you run into problems with citations, propose a change at that time and see if others agree. Dicklyon (talk) 03:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Athaenara. I hadn't caught your comment initially. I will use your suggestion. Willus (talk) 11:02, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

"The bandwidth of a broadband TWT can be as high as three/one octaves"?
Near the beginning of the article is stated "The bandwidth of a broadband TWT can be as high as three octaves". Near the end is stated "The bandwidth of a broadband TWTA can be as high as one octave". Which is it? --Dan Griscom (talk) 00:11, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Inventor of TWT
Rudolf Kompfner or "Nils Lindenblad of the Radio Corporation of America", re this edit. Is there any controversy about this? I reverted as no new reference was given.- ☢  -220.101 talk\Contribs 14:24, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Fire Direct Website
This reference has been in the article since at least July 2008, but seems largely promotional ie. lots of contact info, but only one line is relevant as a reference to when TWTs were manufactured by English Electric Valve Company Ltd (now E2V).- ☢  -220.101 talk\Contribs 14:24, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

 * That one line is the point. The company was listed as an early producer of TWTs, and this source seems like it provides reasonable support for that, no?  Dicklyon (talk) 15:14, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

 * Surely there is something better around? (I tried looking but for some reason I am having trouble with accessing Google at the moment!) What about the previous question about the inventor of the TWT. Is there real debate about who was 'first' ie. Nils Lindenblad not Rudolf Kompfner as the editor I reverted suggested? - 220.101 talk\Contribs 17:07, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

 * I think the main reason Lindenblad isn't credited for inventing the TWT is that his patent didn't use the term "traveling-wave tube." That's essentially what it was, but Lindenblad called it an "Electron Discharge Device System."  It was amazingly advanced for a TWT--it had periodic magnetic focusing, a multi-stage collector, and a tapered helix--all features of modern day versions.  But Kompfner, I believe, coined the term TWT, hence he gets most of the credit.  I'd have to check this in some of Kompfner's original work to be sure.  Willus (talk) 14:22, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

TWAT and TWTA
At the end of the introductory section both of these abbreviations are used, the second one without explanation. Are both of them used and is there a distinction between them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.227.15.253 (talk) 09:21, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

50%
The article says that more than 50% of microwave tubes are TWTs. Does that include all the magnetrons in microwave ovens? Gah4 (talk) 03:19, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I was about to write this, but I see I did three years ago. I will delete it, and see if anyone has a better idea. Gah4 (talk) 08:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It seems that microwave oven market is about 100 million/year, which means that many magnetrons. I don't see the TWT market near that size. Gah4 (talk) 08:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It seems that microwave oven market is about 100 million/year, which means that many magnetrons. I don't see the TWT market near that size. Gah4 (talk) 08:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Tee W Tee
Everyone I knew called them Tee W Tee, which is of course both WP:OR and Small number statistics. I did work for an actual company building them, though. Do we have one reference for TWAT and zero for Tee W Tee? Gah4 (talk) 08:48, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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User:Enos733/Lois Murphy

Lois Murphy (born February 27, 1963 in Hempstead, New York) is a judge for the for Pennsylvania Court of Common Pleas; District 38. She previously ran unsuccessfully for the U.S. House in Pennsylvania's 6th congressional district (map) against the Republican incumbent, Jim Gerlach in 2004 and 2006.

Education and career
Murphy graduated from Harvard College and Radcliffe College magna cum laude in 1984, and from Harvard Law School cum laude in 1987. Murphy clerked for a judge in the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit (1987–1989), and later worked as a lawyer for the Justice Department (1989–1990). She has also taught law at Temple University, worked for NARAL Pro-Choice America, and is now a member of a private law firm. She was appointed by Governor Ed Rendell to the Pennsylvania Commission for Women in 2003, and is a trustee of the Women's Law Project.

Family
Lois Murphy is married to lawyer Benjamin Eisner, whom she met at Harvard. They have two daughters, Emily and Lily. Emily Eisner is a graduate of Dartmouth College class of 2014. Lily Eisner is also graduate of Dartmouth College class of 2018.

Political career
In 2002 she ran Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell's campaign in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. In 2004, she ran for Congress against Republican Jim Gerlach. She lost by 2%, the closest margin for an incumbent re-elected that year. In 2006, in a rematch of the 2004 race, she lost to Gerlach by 1.2%.

Election history
2004 - United States House of Representatives Lois Murphy - 153,977 - 49.0% Jim Gerlach - 160,348 - 51.0%

2006 - United States House of Representatives Lois Murphy - 115,806 - 49.4% Jim Gerlach - 118,807 - 50.6%

2006 campaign
In 2006, Murphy won the Democratic Party primary over Mike Leibowitz, a real estate executive, with 73 percent of the vote. She again faced Gerlach in the general election. Gerlach was at that time considered one of the most vulnerable congressmen in 2006, in November.

As of September 30, 2006, Gerlach had raised $2.9 million compared to Murphy's $2.8 million, and had $1.2 million cash on hand versus Murphy's $900,000. The National Republican Congressional Committee spent $1.6 million in support of Gerlach.

In unofficial results as of November 8, 2006, Murphy lost by 3,001 votes (about 1.2%). See Pennsylvania 6th Congressional District election, 2006 for details.

Judicial career
On November 3, 2009, she was elected to the Montgomery County Court of Common Pleas, the only Democrat to win election to the court.

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Violence Policy Center

The Violence Policy Center (VPC) is an American nonprofit organization that advocates for gun control.

Organizational background
According to Josh Sugarmann, its founder, the VPC approaches violence, and firearms violence in particular, as a public health issue affecting the whole population, rather than solely a criminal matter. The VPC is known mainly for its in-depth research on the firearms industry, the causes and effects of gun violence, and the advocacy of regulatory policies to reduce gun violence. The VPC advocates for gun control legislation and policy.

The VPC relies on donations from the public and foundation support. The primary foundation donor to the VPC is the Joyce Foundation. The VPC publicizes its research through the news media and through coalitions with other advocacy organizations.

Annual reports on impact of gun violence
Using data from federal agencies such as the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the VPC publishes annual state-by-state reports on the effects of gun violence. It has examined the effects of gun violence on specific populations:
 * Females murdered by males in single victim/single offender incidents, published to coincide with Domestic Violence Awareness Month in October;
 * Black homicide victimization;
 * Hispanic homicide victimization.

Concealed carry
The VPC maintains a "Concealed Carry Killers" database of fatal non-self defense killings involving private citizens who are legally allowed to carry concealed handguns in public. The VPC also highlights mass shootings involving persons legally allowed to carry concealed handguns in public.

The database was criticized by Clayton Cramer, who claimed that the statistics were inaccurate. John Lott's Crime Prevention Research Center website posted an article questioning the numbers presented on the Concealed Carry Killers database. According to the article, suicides, which may or may not have involved a firearm, and motor vehicle homicides caused by intoxication, are included in the statistics.

Gun industry donations
The VPC has issued reports that document the gun industry's financial contributions to the National Rifle Association (NRA). In 2013, the VPC said that the firearms industry has donated between $19.3 million and $60.2 million to the NRA since 2005.

50-caliber rifles
The VPC has long advocated for a ban on .50-caliber rifles. In 2001, the VPC issued a study that detailed "the 50 caliber's threat as an ideal tool for assassination and terrorism, including its ability to attack and cripple key elements of the nation's critical infrastructure—including aircraft and other transportation, electrical power grids, pipeline networks, chemical plants, and other hazardous industrial facilities".

In January 2005, the VPC was featured on the CBS news and current affairs program 60 Minutes, which ran a segment on .50-caliber rifles and their alleged threat to public safety. It drew from VPC reports on the .50 BMG cartridge. Interviews were featured with both Ronnie Barrett of Barrett Firearms and Tom Diaz of the VPC.

The NRA objected, alleging that the story was biased in the VPC's favor; it claimed that no .50-caliber rifle has ever been used in the commission of a crime. In response, the VPC issued a backgrounder detailing criminal use and possession of .50-caliber rifles, including examples of murders by criminals using this weapon. The list does not clarify whether the weapons seized were possessed legally or not, and makes no distinction between use of a .50 caliber rifle in a crime and possession of a .50 caliber rifle by a person committing an unrelated crime.

In September 2004, California passed a law to ban .50 caliber rifles, the only state to do so.

Firearms imports
CBS reported that numerous firearms are sold in the United States that were illegally trafficked into Mexico and legally imported into the United States, where they are sold to "straw purchasers" and other illegal traffickers. In testimony to Congress and in reports, the VPC has stated that the U.S. government is not enforcing the "sporting purposes" test, which bans the import of firearms that lack a sporting purpose.

In 1989, ATF officials in the administration of President George H. W. Bush used their powers to prohibit the import of firearms that are not "generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes." Despite this prohibition, gun manufacturers skirted the ban by making cosmetic changes to their weapons to comply with the law. The Clinton administration reviewed the case, and as a result banned certain weapons from import.

The VPC argues that today the import ban has for the most part been abandoned, and foreign-made assault weapons—whole and in parts—are being freely imported into the United States. In response, the VPC has asked the ATF to enforce a ban on the import of foreign-made assault weapons.

Eddie Eagle study
In November, 1997 the Violence Policy Center published a study of the NRA's Eddie Eagle program, entitled Joe Camel With Feathers. Key findings included: "The primary goal of the National Rifle Association's Eddie Eagle program is not to safeguard children, but to protect the interests of the NRA and the firearms industry by making guns more acceptable to children and youth. The Eddie Eagle program employs strategies similar to those utilized by America's tobacco industry—from youth 'educational' programs that are in fact marketing tools to the use of appealing cartoon characters that aim to put a friendly face on a hazardous product." Other key findings included that "the NRA uses the Eddie Eagle as a lobbying tool" in its opposition to child access prevention laws and mandatory trigger lock laws; that "Rather than recognizing the inherent danger firearms in the home pose to children, and the often irresponsible firearms storage behavior of adults, the Eddie Eagle program places the onus of safety and responsibility on the children themselves"; and that "Public health researchers have found that 'gun safety' programs like Eddie Eagle are ineffective in preventing unintentional death and injury from firearms."

The study's key findings were summarized in major newspapers including The New York Times, The Washington Post, and the Chicago Tribune as well as regional newspapers including The Philadelphia Inquirer, Newsday, The Times-Picayune, and others, and in the book Guns in American Society: An Encyclopedia of History, Politics, Culture, and the Law edited by Gregg Lee Carter, professor of history at Bryant University in an article on Eddie Eagle by Robert J. Spitzer. The NRA called the study "ludicrous" and threaten to sue the VPC.

Proliferation of federal firearms licenses
The VPC has spoken out against the "criminal abuse" of the Federal Firearms License system, which has resulted in a proliferation of licenses. The VPC states that the high number of FFLs inflated by "kitchen counter" dealers and those not "engaged in the business" make it impossible for the ATF to regulate them all, and has called for the ATF to cease issuing such licenses in order to reduce licensees to a more manageable number. Josh Sugarmann holds a federal firearms license with the principle place of business at the address of the VPC. He has stated he does not sell firearms, although the license exempts him from many of the restrictions of Washington D.C. gun laws.

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The VPC distributes its published research and analysis to members of Congress and their staffs. Numerous US gun control organizations have used VPC reports and terminology to advance local and national gun control initiatives. VPC research results and policy positions have been cited by major news organizations including The New York Times, The Washington Post, the Chicago Tribune, CNN,  the Associated Press, and Reuters.

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Hello
Hello, I noticed you edited a Hip Hop related article. If you wish you can join the new Hip Hop Wikiproject. --Chubdub 16:29, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

re:The Wu-Tang Article
The Wu-Tang Clan article is well-written, but it lacks refrences and citations (see WP:CITE). Plus, I have requested that a Timeline of album releases and events be made and audio samples inserted.
 * Thanks for the suggestions.-- Gяaρнic  03:10, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, a "Style and influences' section would be great. When all of this is done, this article should be a Featured Article in no time. And if you need help on the timeline, I could be of some use.
 * Thanks. I could use help with a lot of the "flood" solos and on what events to include.  And now that I think about it, I could really use help with sources, mostly with stuff like Cuban Linx/Ironman/Liquid Swords being the fan favorites, Deck being the outstanding member on Wu-Tang Forever, etc.  It's all stuff thats pretty clear to anyone who has talked with other fans but it's going to be very hard to find sources to back it up.  Can you source message board threads?  Haha most likely not.  Hopefully we or someone can figure something out though. I would source old Source and XXL articles/reviews if I still had any of them-- Gяaρнic  15:55, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

 * If you search individual flood album on Amazon, they should provide release dates. As for sources, it would be best to stick with articles, editorial, and even album reviews instead of Messegebord Threads. I am quite busy at this moment, and will not be able to search for sources until the weekend. Until then, you can identify places in the articles which need citations by placing next to it. That will be a big help.

 * On another note, I think you should avoid using [ (website source)~ ] as a means of citing your sources. For potiental featured articles, it would be best to organize external links according to Cite web. In other words, the crruent citation system needs to be converted to the system (see WP:FOOTNOTEs). Chubdub 21:22, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

 * One last thing. Maybe you could consider replacing the current timeline with a Meta Timelime (See Tupac Shakur timeline for an example). Oh yeah, and the lead to the article needs to be expanded, and a "Musical style and trademark" section would be great. Thanks for listening to my advice! Chubdub 21:28, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Oh yeah. For the influence section, you should include how the Wu-Tang Clan played a pivotal role in the East Coast renaissance of the mid-1990s, their impact within hardcore hip hop, and you ought to elaborate on the influence of RZA's production style (it is claimed that he influenced producers like Kayne West, Just Blaze, and The Alchemist). Chubdub 23:45, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I was joking about the message board thing, but thanks for the tips. -- Gяaρнic  03:36, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I've taken the oppurtunity to identify areas that need citations. I hope that this will help you in your quest for references. Chubdub 12:46, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

The golden age of hip hop for deletion?
I see that The golden age of hip hop is up for deletion. I wonder what you think of this. P.O.N.Y. 17:38, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

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WikiProject Punk music
Whats up? Hi, I'm trying to gather some more interest and support for the WikiProject Punk music. Please check out the topics and lets get our WikiProject to function better. Recently, I've taken an interest in the WikiProject hip hop and I consider that WikiProject to be better developed. I am now writing to usernames on the hiphopWP who might be interested in helping with the punkmusicWP. Hopefully we can all work together to improve articles relating to punk as has been done well with hip hop. Finally, I am trying to gather support and opinions concerning the punk house article and specifically the Theta Beta Potata article which is currently in AfD (x2) at Articles for deletion/Theta Beta Potata (second nomination). Please check it out and voice your opinion. Xsxex 09:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

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Joy Enriquez

Joy Enriquez is an American singer and actress who has appeared on the television series 7th Heaven and also starred in films such as Chasing Papi and Lady and the Tramp II: Scamp's Adventure (voice). Enriquez was also a background singer on the single "When You Believe", a duet by Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey.

Biography
On April 4, 2004, Enriquez married record producer Rodney Jerkins, who had worked on her debut album. Their first child is Rodney David Jerkins Jr. Their second child is daughter Heavenly Joy Jerkins. Their third child is Hannah Joy Jerkins, followed by their fourth, Royal David Jerkins.

After almost completing a follow-up album in the same Pop/R&B vein as her debut, which would have featured the leaked track "It's So Funny", a collaboration with Mase, Joy had a change of heart about the musical direction she wished to pursue. She decided that her next release should be an inspirational/contemporary Christian music record. The ensuing album, Atmosphere of Heaven, was released on March 7, 2006 on the independent label JoyfulChild, which was formed by Jerkins and Enriquez.

In 2010, she wrote the track "Boom Chika Boom" for the Our Family Wedding soundtrack, and performed/wrote the song "Beatz Be Rockin'" for the Nickelodeon iCarly series.

She contributed songs to the Lifetime series Dance Moms in 2012 with the track "Light My Fire" getting a separate digital single release.

In 2013, her reality series House of Joy premiered on the NUVOtv network on July 18, 2013. After each episode, a new digital single would be released on digital services. These eight songs, along with the theme song, were released on an EP, House of Joy, on September 10, 2013.

In 2015, she released two digital singles: "Hallelujah" featuring Lindsey Stirling and "Shine" featuring her daughter Heavenly Joy. Her third studio album The Call was released on January 15, 2016.

Singles
Notes
 * "—" denotes releases that did not chart or were not released in that country.
 * A ^ Joy Enriquez was re-released in Japan and United States in a different album cover and track listing.
 * B ^ Song was also included on Anna and the King movie soundtrack as a theme song.

Personal life
Enriquez has been married to producer Rodney Jerkins since April 4, 2004, and they have four children: Rodney David Jerkins Jr., Heavenly Joy Jerkins, Hannah Joy Jerkins, and Royal David Jerkins. Enriquez married Jerkins at the Ritz Carlton in Laguna Niguel, California

In 2015, Enriquez's daughter, Heavenly Joy, was a contestant on season 10 of America's Got Talent.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AcIS

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete. Redwolf24 (talk) 03:01, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

AcIS
Not notable --Hooperbloob 05:36, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - as above --Cje 19:55, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. -- DS1953 17:38, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
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User talk:Jesup

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Jesup, comment for you here. SlimVirgin (talk) 17:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Bithdates
FWIW, I just made a suggestion on WT:BLP: ''... any candidate representing a major party (i.e., after the primary or convention) for the US House, US Senate, or Governorship, shall be deemed a person who is public enough that their birth date can be included. While I do agree that privacy is a good think, I think most folks running for Congress are public enough to lean towards the current policy of well-known living persons' exact birthdays are widely known and available to the public...'' -- Sholom 00:42, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

AfD
Hiya, thanks for the note. I went ahead and changed the prod tag to an AfD tag, so everything's linked properly now. And yes, I agree on the deletion. :) --Elonka 19:09, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW, since you're also in the game industry, you might want to watchlist this page, to see if there are other AfDs that you'd like to participate in: WikiProject Computer and video games/Deletion. --Elonka 21:34, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * All the better, that way no one can accuse you of conflict of interest! :) --Elonka 22:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Debbie Liebling
Please do not remove an independant reliable source from an aritlce. As usual, any such removal will be considered vandalism and reported. Thank you. --Oakshade 01:14, 6 November 2006 (UTC) This seems to have been interpreted as a threat and it was not meant to and my apologies if it came across that way. Instead of augmenting it so it doesn't appear so, I'll just strike the whole thing. However, if this disagreement continues, it will be best to seek mediation. --Oakshade 01:36, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * NP, as far as I'm concerned the issue is closed. Thanks.  If the article isn't deleted, then my argument stands - the citation doesn't add anything to the article.  jesup 02:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

POV?
What do you mean POV? Dr. Madonna is the foremost scholar of Pennsylvania politics who is constantly quoted by the media. The fact is Gerlach won overwhelmingly in the GOP strongholds of Chester, Berks and Lehigh counties. That's a fact. There's no POV implied with mentioning that. Do you consider the Philadelphia Inquirer an unreliable source? --FidesetRatio 00:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

URLs and trailing slashes
Hi. I notice you re-added the trailing slashes to the external links on Amiga. I believed as you do that a trailing slash was necessary, but after having looked at RFC 3986 (in particular Section 3), I came to the conclusion that a trailing slash is not necessary: specifically, "hier-part" can be "// authority path-abempty" where path-abempty can be the null string. It also looks to me like RFC 2396 does mandate the trailing slash, but this is obsoleted by RFC 3986.

Or is there something particular to HTTP that I'm missing here? Cheers --Pak21 17:08, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Certainly RFC 3986 (approved in 2005) doesn't require the / anymore, but RFC 2396 did, and all (known to me) browsers insert the slash automatically if they find a URL (href, src=, etc) that is missing it. I don't know if all web servers handle slash-less URLs, since browsers (virtually) always insert them, the servers don't get much testing with slash-less URLs.  FYI, I'm a 'driver' at mozilla.org (mostly inactive currently) and have done extensive work on multiple browser's internals.  So it's a variation of "be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send".  Who knows, a ancient or semi-homebrew Amiga browser might not insert the slash, and some webservers might not handle it missing.  jesup 18:50, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I bow to your greater knowledge. Thanks --Pak21 09:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

 * It's actually a very minor issue (as per above, virtually all browsers add the /). More an issue of being pedanditic and not trusting webservers to be well-tested for an RFC adopted last year (that browsers hide from servers).    jesup 12:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

YouTube
A youtube link that says here is the music/TV video is so clearly a copyvio that I am justified deleting it as it stands. I quite agree that other vids need reviewing. Please can you provide me with diffs of deletions that you think are incorrect? That will help me understand why/if I'm doing this wrong. --Spartaz 16:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Firstly I did review the video. Its clearly marked as belonging to artofjapaneseswordsmanship.com and was uploaded to youtube by priori2ude. The Sensei is called Niklaus not priori2ude.

 * Sorry but I see no evidence that the video is not a copyvio and the onus is on the linkee to demonstrate this. This is why youtube is an inherantly unreliable site to link from. There are vids on the sword site than could be directly linked from. That's why I removed the link and I suggest that unless you can demonstrate that the vid is not a copyvio you should remove the youtube link and link directly to the site. I'm confident with this deletion. Would you mind providing another diff to help me understand whether I have been doing this incorrectly. Thanks --Spartaz 16:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * In other words you agree that its not clearly not a copy vio. In which case my deletion is justified and the rest of your objections are simply placing process above content. And I reviewed the video before I deleted the link and it wasn't clearly properly licensed so I deleted it. Simple? I'm going to delete the link again unless you can show its not a copy vio. Spartaz 17:02, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I have copied this over from Cacycle's talk page because I didn't want to clog up his page with this:

Unless I misread WT:EL, there is no consensus for mass-deletion of YT links. Targeted deletion (WP:C, WP:V, etc) is ok (and most YT links probably fall into these), but mass-deletion is not. The repeated comment on all the deletions of Rm links to "Sites which fail to provide licensing information" for video clips per WP:EL, which I don't find in WP:EL. If I misread it, please show me where. Thanks. jesup 16:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer you to show us some diffs of deleted links that were removed inappropriately rather than argue about the process of this exercise. The vast majority of YT links are going to have to go because they are either copyvios, unverifiable and/or their free status isn't clear enough. If we make mistakes you need to show us them so that we can correct our actions. But let's focus on the issue - thousands of copyvios being tolerated in articles and not the process of their removal.

 * I'm sorry if I coming over a bit strong but its all going on around my ears at home right now and I'm having to do two things at the same time. I'm not trying to be difficult about your objections, I will slow down. I'm trying to respond to lots of comments all over the place and try and avoid it fragmenting any further. Spartaz 17:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Jesup, I've raised the issue twice on WP:AN and both time we've gotten vast and unanimous support. I'd call that a consensus for our project. However, we aren't mass-deleting anything and our actions are fully supported by policy. In the few times that anyone has raised a problem with our removal of a specific link we have discussed it at length. ---J.S (t|c) 20:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Spartaz and J.smith: If the youtube links from the list are indeed checked individually and are obvious copyvios, then an automated mass deletion would be ok. May I then suggest that you no longer use a wrong and/or misleading summary for your deletions - it is not about missing licensing information at an external site as stated in the summary, it is about obvious copyvios. Cacycle 20:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I think the summary we are using is fairly comprehensive. ---J.S (t|c) 21:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I updated the edit summary due to the battling over at WP:EL. ---J.S (t|c) 21:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Jesup - you seem more concerned about the edit summary than you do about the links to copyvios. We are updating the summary but I do think it would be more helpful if you could point me in the direction of an incorrectly deleted link so I can understand your objections to my actions better. If its just the summary, that's fine and fixed, otherwise we seem to be going round in circles. Spartaz 05:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I am concerned with that summary, and I'm concerned with an (apparent) mass-delete that appears (or appeared) to not involve actually evaluating the target. Even your response about the Katana video doesn't give me warm fuzzies that when evaluations are done that they're being done correctly.  Your approach to that video says to me that it's "guilty until proven innocent", with no gray area.  You can't look at that video (and the website in question) and say "it's blatant copyvio"; at best you can say is that it might be copyvio.  If you're saying it's so blatant that no discussion or investigation or warning is appropriate, that calls into question the other edits you're doing.  I'm also concerned that with the summary you were using, thousands of editors who don't read WP:AN (and I never have; I'm not an admin) will assume that youtube links are to be deleted without bothering to investigate.   Someone else on WT:EL indicated that a video made especially for putting on youtube was deleted.  Now, I don't expect 100% correctness - but it appears that the criteria being used to judge links is fairly arbitrary.  In fact, what is the criteria?  If there some sort of master list or criteria being used - where is it?  Why was the decision made to remove (almost) all youtube links without warning by tagging the pages with the links for a short while?  So, to wrap up - the summary is a big part of the problem in that it may lead not only to misunderstandings (as it did with me), but also to permanent misunderstandings by a large number of editors, which will cause a lot of aggravation in the future.  But the summary is only part of the problem - the other part is the mass aspect without prior tagging (which is customary), and the apparent assumption of guilt on the part of youtube uploaders.  We cannot hold youtube to per-video disclosure statements that we have here for media.  That doesn't mean we ignore links to copyvio material - but it should mean we give some amount of credence to the TOS of youtube and uploaders when it isn't blatent copyvio.  IMHO.  jesup 05:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry but I'm really getting fed up with this - plus I'm tired and want to go to bed (some song coming on there except I'm sober). I must have spent 4 hours so far arguing this when I could have been doing something constructive. So far you have raised two deletions that you have found objectionable. How many deletions did you review to find them I wonder? I have made over 150 so far and I have no idea how many J.smith has done.

 * I realize you'll be surprised, but this first one I looked at was one of those two (which is why I joined the discussion), and the second I found after reviewing about 4 random pages from the huge list you're working from. jesup 22:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Perhaps you could try and keep this in perspective? If we make mistakes help us fix them by all means. Another pair of eyes is always useful but your argumentative crusade to find us guilty of the henious crime of deleting links to copyvios really seems overblown and the ultimate triumph of process over productivity. Please try and focus on the issue here. EL is a guideline. C is a policy which states inter alia

 *  Linking to copyrighted works is usually not a problem, as long as you have made a reasonable effort to determine that the page in question is not violating someone else's copyright. If it is, please do not link to the page.

 * The policy is clear - we don't link copyvios. You obviously don't trust us - fine. I'm sure that we would all find it useful to have a contrarian backstop to make sure that we are making the right calls in borderline cases but can we please try and do this with a little more oversight and a little less passion? Its making my head hurt and I'm sure its not helping us write an encyclopedia. Apologies for the gruff tone but I'm starting to get frustrated with the arguing - which is why I'm off for a real life cup of tea and an early night. Hopefully we can all come back to this tomorrow in a more constructive state of mind. Good Night.  Spartaz 22:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, and no hard feelings. I also just want to make this work; not knowing you/jsmith/dcmartin from j.random.editor I had no idea where this project came from, what the justification was, etc - all I knew is that it seemed to be a mass-deletion, and that's something I'm quite leary of. I also felt there was something odd going on in that the summaries looked like an attempt to ramrod something without actual justification. I know now more about what you were doing and why, and I don't think anyone was trying to bypass or game the system - but as you say, anyone can make mistakes, and decisions made in (semi)-private sometimes don't go over with others as well when they're implemented. And using auto-editing tools and high-rate changes that others can't keep up with tends to make people panic. Rest and we'll see you tomorrow, and thanks. jesup 22:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Priori2ude here...I kind of got lost in all this discussion, especially since I have no idea which of my videos you're referring to. But just as general info, I am a student (and close friend) of Nicklaus Suino. www.artofjapaneseswordsmanship.com is one of his sites, as is www.japanesemartialartscenter.com which I list in my videos, per his request. I often take my own videos of him and our classes and post them on my Youtube page; I've gotten his permission to post these videos and he doesn't mind. So I can assure you, there are no copy violations as far as my videos go.

Fixing broken refs
Thanks for the catch. I also responded on my talk but its more of the same.

Just so you know, I'm not really using a script - I'm just using AWB to sort though the articles more quickly and to get me an edit window to look at and edit. The problem with refs is that I find the markup confusing - a sign of age I'm afraid! I'm going to revise any future articles with links as refs manually so that I can review them after I am done. I'll also make sure I read the appropriate guidelines on refs before I do any more amendments to them so I can understand how they work a bit better.

You have the most amazing capacity for catching the odd mistakes. Very commendable and its not stalking because a) you are not harrassing me and b) I am very happy to have anyone review my contributions and constructively comment on them. Its a good way to learn and avoid future mistakes. If you wanted a quick and easy way to review my deletions try Special:Contributions/Spartaz and use the diffs to see before and after - it would make it very easy for you to see what I have done - even more if you have broadband and popups installed in your monobook as this would allow you to review my edits by hovering your curser over the button.

I really appreciate the helpful and constructive tone you have taken on this subject over the last couple of days and it has helped eliminate the stress I was finding from this project. ESpecially given, how fundamentally we disagree over this exercise. It's hard to see from my contributions but as a result of your input I have been taking considerably more care over the borderline deletions and have allowed a fair few to remain as non-commercial and therefore not copyvios. Thanks again. --Spartaz 05:50, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

UIF-fanboy is back...
Don't want to break WP:3RR, if you would like to stop by on. — RevRagnarok  Talk Contrib 04:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Sock case
I've closed the case and reverted your page back to the previous version before the tag was placed there.--Isotope23 14:35, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

ANI vandal
In addition to your friend, there was another too. That's primarily what pushed me over the edge. I was spending all my time trying to stop them, and got sick of it. Thanks for the information, there. :-) --Deskana (For Great Justice!)  22:06, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

re: Szarlowski Moro Phillips
I am afraid I can't be of much help, as I am not a professional historian and I am also limited to primarily net sources. There may be specialized and perhaps expensive services that could help, but my knowledge of them is limited to the fact that we created our family tree in a free account in the myheritage portal. As you can see, I am pretty much a amateur here too. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:35, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

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NPOV
This article needs some serious vetting. Surely there are contrary views in the scientific world that should be included here. The article currently expounds on the positive research (and anything remotely related) without addressing the obvious questions raised by these claims (was the original research biased? etc.). --Tysto 05:38, 2005 August 21 (UTC)
 * Okay, but what is POV in this article? If you are challenging the factual accuracy of this article, may be a better tag. I'll let you discuss before a switch is made though. --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark)  18:35, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I stated where the bias is. The article presents no contrary opinions or criticism of this highly dubious theory. Even if every word accurately presents the view of the sources, the article is biased towards those selected (supporting) sources by mentioning no criticism. A quick Google finds a study which shows no correlation and an article which adds perspective. A genuinely NPOV version of this article should probably even mention discredited disciplines like phrenology, physiognomy, and criminal body measurement.
 * Okay, a little research later: The Breedlove study is the one that has gotten all the attention. Breedlove explicitly states that he found no finger-length-ratio difference between gay men and straight men. But then he factored in birth order and found that younger brothers had different ratios from older brothers. Then he found studies that suggested that younger brothers have a higher tendency to be gay and made a huge leap: different ratio = younger brothers = gay. But, remember, he's already studied a direct comparison of gay and straight men and found no difference. --Tysto 22:25, 2005 September 4 (UTC)
 * So, what are you waiting for? JETFA (Just edit the frickin' article). -- Lord Vold e  mort  (Dark Mark)  15:17, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Most of your objections to the article have to do with digit ratio and sexual orientation. There are many studies on the topic, the five best are reviewed and reanalyzed in McFadden, Loehlin, Breedlove, Lippa, & Manning (2005). 'A Reanalysis of Five Studies on Sexual Orientation and the Relative Length of the 2nd and 4th Fingers (the 2D:4D Ratio)' Archives of Sexual Behavior. 34, 341-356. This trait is the oddest one of the very many that have been examined, most other traits show a sensible relationship to digit ratio. The scientific debate around digit ratio is not whether digit ratio is related to prenatal hormones, but exactly how it is. This article does need work, I'll take a crack at it over the next few days. Pete.Hurd 14:16, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Non-Digit ratio content
Much of the material in this article relates not directly to digit ratio but to theories about sexual orientation effects of pre-natal androgen exposure. I suggest that much of it ought to be moved to biology and sexual orientation page, or Prenatal hormones and sexual orientation page (and improved along the way, all three pages need much more clarity of thought and care in presentation). Pete.Hurd 20:42, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I completely concur on merging. The main article should be Digit ratio, and the 2d:4d should redirect to it. Biology and sexual orientation should contain only a minimal summary of the topic, with the primary purpose of such mention being to link readers to Digit ratio for further information.  Of course, I generally favor smallish articles that are richly linked, rather than exhaustively long articles with many exhaustive subsections. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 06:09, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh... to add to my own comment, Digit ratio is not only about sexual orientation. Testosterone exposure affects lots of physiological and behavior traits that have nothing to do with sexual orientation.  So while the Digit ratio article and the Biology and sexual orientation article should cross-link, they merely overlap rather than one being a subset of the other. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 06:12, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

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