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Talk:RuneScape/Archive 1

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Please add new archivals to Talk:RuneScape/Archive02. Thank you. Kevin 22:44, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism
I think something needs to be done about the heavy vandalism in the RS article.

New section for non-xp skills
I put a new section into the skills page for non-xp skills. Not sure if it was a good idea or not. Also added catherby and the seers village to locations. Working on getting them linked up.

Random events
I might just have missed it but is there a section for the special one off events like the Easter Bunny? If so can you please say so and I will add the easter bunny and the rubber chicken! --80.229.152.246 20:45, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Two articles
Seems like there are 2 seperate articles, Runescape and RuneScape, with slightly different content This has been fixed.--63.249.85.209 19:39, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Branching article
I'm of the opinion of creating a few pages, like Runescape (Skills), Runescape (Quests), etc. where we take the separate pages that we have and make them into sections and link to the specific sections. This also help since most of these pages aren't really going to ever be more than the size of stubs. --Ricky81682 06:08, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

In the meantime, I've merged the contents of "Cooking (Skill)" and "Prayer (Skill)" into this page. Hoary 02:59, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Agreed. The article is already too long, and the quests section isn't even finished yet. I'm going to go ahead and break off the skills since that part is mostly complete.RuneScape skills --Aqua 01:57, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)
 * No, please don't. There's no reason to put skills into a separate page; in fact doing so will likely get induce someone to VFD it as fancruft. I'm currently in the process of sloooooowly rewriting the article to try to downsize/clean up a little. An article being long doesn't mean that's bad, or even that a split is necessary. P  M  C  02:02, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Vandalism once again
For some reason somebody vandalized this page, I've brought it back to its last working condition. bsdlogical 05:06, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Was vandalized again by 64.12.116.137, but I've reverted it. --Aqua 06:54, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)

New stuff
Made Category:RuneScape, Category:RuneScape stubs, and Template:RuneScape-stub. --SgeoTC 02:18, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)

Splitting articles
Since we're splitting articles anyhow, let's also make RuneScape locations, RuneScape monsters for information of that sort so that we don't have sixty separate substubs for all the RuneScape info. P M  C  05:03, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Recent revert
Recently an anon attempted to clean up this page and in the process removed most of the information on it, reducing it to a stub. While I feel their edits were in good faith, I have, after some deliberation, reverted. If we are going to include a subject in an encyclopedia, we need to have all the information we can get on that subject; the more detailed the better. If anyone objects to my reversion, please leave a note here or on my talk page. (Click the "M") P  M  C  08:17, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Reply to above post
It was me who shortened the article. I did not have an account when I did it a few days ago, so it would have been listed as "anon". I didn't want to seem like a vandal or anything, so here I am.

The main reason I shortened it so much was because I was thinking diffefrently from you. I didn't quite agree with giving users extensively in-depth information. I tried to make it more of a brief summary of the game rather than go into the economics and outside communities. While the information on there is correct, I think there is far too much, and the notice at the top says that this article needs shortening. I do however object to the list of clan links at the bottom. They seem very out of place. There are hundreds of clans out there and none of them are official in any way, so I don't think they deserve a place on the article. Aside from that, I hope you understand where I'm coming from. :)

-Blodnatt

 * I do, and thank you for being so polite about it =) The cleanup notice doesn't say that it should be shortened in any way, just cleaned up to conform with encyclopedic standards. That's what I've been trying to do lately, as you can see by the edit history. (I'm getting there. Slowly but surely.) Me and Aqua have also been working on creating a family of RuneScape articles so that the main article won't be so cluttered. When we're done, we hope to leave RuneScape like a summary of the game, ("This is the game, there's lots of players, you can have skills and do quests, go here and here to check it out in depth.") with the other articles filling it out for anyone who wants to know more.

 * The 'Pedia aims to collect all encyclopedic information, and RuneScape, being such a massive game, is inherently encyclopedic. You may think the information is frivolous, but others (including me) might disagree. It isn't really in the spirit of the Wiki to delete massive blocks of information without even notifying the community. Can you see where I'm coming from? (I do agree about the clan list though, feel free to take that out with severe prejudice) P  M  C  01:58, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Section duplication problem.
A lot of sections were duplicated.

When I tried reverting to the last correct version, the preview gave even more duplication. I hand edited the sections, and it seems ok now. If the duplicates were different versions of the sections, some changes are probably no longer in the article. Iaen 10:11, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

My recent edits
Hope they make sense. I admit I do have reasons for having a pro-Jagex bias, but I'm hoping my changes have just helped move the enclyclopedia entry to being more neutral as per the Wikipedia guidelines.

I thought it'd be good manners to explain my reasoning behind 1 or 2 lines I basically removed. (Plus makes it more likely for me changes to not be reverted ;) )

I did remove the line about inflation being a danger, because it made no sense when the rest of the paragraph then went on to give an example of deflation. I would also debate the comment that new players cause inflation. New players come into the game with no money and take a while to start really producing wealth. Effectively reducing the average wealth per player. I think Runescape inflation is a real issue which could be talked about if people so wished, but you'd need an entirely different new paragraph on cause and effect.(It's sort of covered more accuratly in the section about partyhats etc)

The runescape economy is complex hence you get people ranting on forums about something going up in price while others are ranting another thing is devaluing. There is debate about whether these prices changes are a bad thing or a good thing.

I also removed a line which said there is a danger of low levels having to little money, I feel that there isn't a danger of low level players being too poor. Personally I feel that the game infact plays better when you are a low level and you can't yet afford everything and theres lots to aim for and work too. Possibly there is dangers with high levels being to rich but the sentence didn't seem to make much sense when I removed the bit about low levels (And I've seen high levels debate they have put so much effort into the skills they deserve to be that rich)

The section on random events I edited fairly heavily too. It seemed to overemphasise the scale of unpopularity of them to me, so I toned that down a little. I quite like them myself infact. It also implied that you could be unlucky and nasty things wwould just happen to you without warning when in fact most the bad effects can be avoided and if so cause no more annoyance than losing 10 seconds every 20 minutes.

Location Aditions
I added Canfis, the Wizard Tower, Castle Wars, The Tree Gnome Stronghold, Mort'ton to the location page. I added new information to Carne Isle, Entranta, Lumbridge, Miscellania and Draynor. In the skill section wood cutting article I moved maple trees to the members only sentence from the avilble on f2p sentence.

"begginer tips'
not sure if this section is really needed on wikipedia, at the very least it needs to be cleaned up quite a bit and moved to the bottom of the page not the top.bakuzjw (aka 578) 00:06, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * If it makes you feel any better, I'm embarking on a massive, article-wide rewrite. That section will very likely be eliminated, pared down, or merged in my eventual new version. User:Premeditated Chaos 01:47, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

errr
Is it really necessary to put clan advertising into an encyclopedia article? Please don't.

Quests
Could someone help me with some cleanup at RuneScape quests? I'd first like to get some views on what exactly should be written about each quest (see the talk page) and can someone help me with the numerous copyright violations being committed by the anonymous users? There's a least a half-dozen quests that seem to be directly copy-and-paste from different places but I can't figure out where. It's fairly obvious when you compare this writing to the typical misspelled mess that's usually added there. --Ricky81682 (talk) 17:54, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

Communities, Wilderness and Kalphite Queen?
I don't see why we should group the Kalphite Queen into Communities and the Wilderness. In the middle of a paragraph, the writer goes from talking about things to do in the wilderness other than PKing to talking about how the Kalphite Queen (which is not in the wilderness) is the most powerful monster and Hazeel (from an unrelated quest) is the second most powerful. Maybe we could start a "Notable Monsters" section or even a "RuneScape Monsters" article to help clarify this. --Peter1219 02:07, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)you use salmoues realm there all copy and paste

Vandalism
Someone had vandalized this page...I reverted it back. Just to let people know MrSpam 05:12, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)

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Walter Scheib

Walter Stanley Scheib III (May 3, 1954 – c. June 13, 2015) was an American chef who was White House Executive Chef from 1994 until 2005.

Early life
Scheib was born on May 3, 1954, in Oakland, California, to Walter S. Scheib Jr. and his wife, Jean Scheib. His father worked for the Atomic Energy Commission, and his mother was an accountant. The Scheibs moved to Bethesda, Maryland, when Walter was a young boy.

Scheib's mother was a devotee of French cooking long before it became popular in the United States, often making paella and bouillabaisse. She also cooked Spanish cuisine, and taught Walter to appreciate unusual flavor combinations. Scheib's favorite television programs were The Galloping Gourmet with Graham Kerr and The French Chef with Julia Child. He asked his mother to allow him to chop vegetables or prepare food so often, that in time he became extremely proficient at cooking and was allowed to prepare all the family's meals. In his teens, he worked in local restaurants as a pot washer, busboy, and prep cook.

Scheib graduated from Walter Johnson High School in Bethesda in 1972. He enrolled at the University of Maryland, College Park, but quit and enrolled at The Culinary Institute of America in Hyde Park, New York, where he graduated in 1979.

Early work
After a period where he worked in France, Scheib moved to Washington, D.C., where he found work as a line chef in the kitchen at the Capital Hilton. Within three years, he had risen to the position of chef de cuisine (executive chef).

He moved to the Boca Raton Resort and Club in Boca Raton, Florida, in 1986, where he served four years as the executive chef. Scheib then returned to D.C., where he served briefly as executive chef at the Mayflower Hotel.

In 1990, he took a position as the executive chef at The Greenbrier, a luxury resort near White Sulphur Springs, West Virginia. At The Greenbrier, Scheib directed a staff of 200, and often prepared as many as 1,000 meals a night.

Auditioning
The White House kitchen had been dominated from 1966 to 1987 by Henry Haller, a Swiss-trained chef who emphasized French cooking. His successor, Jon Hill, lasted just five months before being replaced by long-time sous-chef Hans Raffert, but Raffert retired in October 1992, and French-born and trained chef Pierre Chambrin, who succeeded Raffert, was asked to resign in March 1994 after refusing to cook the low-fat American cuisine favored by President Bill and First Lady Hillary Clinton. Most of Chambrin's staff were also asked to leave.

Scheib's mother had just died, and Scheib did not want to take on a new job. Scheib's wife submitted his résumé without his knowledge. He was among 4,000 applicants for the position, and one of just five asked to audition for the First Lady. Mrs. Clinton was impressed with Scheib's managerial skills and ability to prepare hundreds of first-class meals in a short period of time. She also wanted the White House to feature more distinctively American cooking techniques, dishes, and presentation, something she believed Scheib could bring to the White House. She also wanted to get away from the cream- and fat-heavy dishes of French cooking. Scheib was competing against some of the best chefs in the United States, including Nora Pouillon and Patrick Clark (then at the Hay–Adams Hotel). Scheib auditioned before the First Lady and several other women by presenting pecan-encrusted lamb, red-curried sweet potatoes, and morel sauce. While other chefs primarily brought in dishes they normally serve in their restaurants, Scheib's lunch featured a wide variety of American cuisines: Cal-Italian, Mid-Atlantic, Southwestern, Floridian, and even a vegetarian serving. Hillary Clinton hired Scheib after Clark, her first choice, turned her down.

Clinton years
Among Scheib's immediate innovations as White House Executive Chef was the establishment of a vegetable garden on the roof of the White House and the modernization of the kitchen in 1993. He also taught Chelsea Clinton how to cook. Meeting the dining needs of the Clintons was demanding. Hillary Clinton enjoyed hot sauces, and Bill Clinton loved to gorge on cheeseburgers and a 24-ounce porterhouse steak with béarnaise sauce and onion rings whenever the First Lady was absent. Chelsea Clinton's decision to become a vegetarian in 1999 created major problems for the kitchen staff, who could no longer use the same utensils and pans for cooking meat and vegetables.

Bush years and dismissal
White House Executive Chefs do not normally change when a new administration arrives, and, as usual, President George W. Bush and First Lady Laura Bush retained Scheib when they entered the White House in 2000. However, the Bushes had different tastes and styles than the Clintons. Laura Bush wanted a more formal presentation at meals, and President Bush disliked soup, salad, and poached fish—staples of Scheib's cuisine. Instead, the president favored peanut butter and honey sandwiches, BLTs, and cheeseburgers. The twin Bush girls both required that the calories in each meal be given to them. After the September 11 attacks in 2001, Scheib's cooking duties were largely restricted to the First Family, as all social engagements at the White House were curtailed for nearly a year. President Bush affectionately called Scheib "Cookie".

Tension between the Bushes and Scheib was soon apparent. An anonymous White House staffer later claimed that Scheib kept serving the Bushes scallops, even though they disliked them. Scheib angrily denied the assertion. The differences became too great, and Scheib was fired by the Bushes in February 2005. He was succeeded in August 2005 by Cristeta Comerford, a White House sous-chef whom Scheib had hired in 1995.

During both the Clinton and Bush administrations, Scheib usually served three meals a day to the First Family. He often worked long hours each day, and as many as six days a week. The number of expected guests at both informal and formal dining occasions fluctuated greatly, and pleasing both First Families took a great deal of attention and care. Both the Bushes and Clintons loved enchiladas, fresh fruit, salads, and sorbets, and both presidents asked for junk food when their wives were not present. During his tenure at the White House, Scheib cooked for a large number of heads of state and VIPs, including Akihito, Emperor of Japan; Tony Blair, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom; Diana, Princess of Wales; Jacques Chirac, President of France; Nelson Mandela, the President of South Africa; and Boris Yeltsin, the first President of Russia.

Post-White House
In 2007, Scheib authored (with Andrew Friedman) a memoir, The White House Chef: Eleven Years, Two Presidents, One Kitchen. He subsequently formed a corporation, The American Chef, which provided his services as a consultant and lecturer, and assisted in planning, preparing, and presenting Scheib-cooked meals for large groups. Between 2007 and 2015, he traveled to nearly every U.S. state and to 154 countries.

Scheib appeared on the television series Iron Chef America, which aired on the Food Network, in 2006.

Death
Scheib went hiking in Taos, New Mexico, and went missing on June 13, 2015. He was found dead on June 21, 2015.

An autopsy revealed that Scheib died from drowning on or about June 13. A precise date of death was not determined, as the cold water temperature of the ravine preserved his body in a manner that made it impossible to determine when exactly he had died. The area where he was hiking is prone to flash floods, and thunderstorms had struck the area the day he went missing.

Personal life
Scheib met his first wife, Jean Prince, at the Capital Hilton, where she was working as a chef. The couple had two sons, Walter S. Scheib IV (born in 1988) and James Prince (born in 1991). Their marriage ended in divorce.

Scheib then married Yvonne Swartz; their marriage also ended in divorce.

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I am not sure if the Swedish suburbs would be considered "ghettos" per se, as I believe they are (,spite high unemployment rating, welfare payments and ethnical segregation) relatively safe and open places. This could be argued, but I don't think they comparable to ghettos in USA, South Africa etc. anyway.
 * I agree and have rephrased this. Also, in what way does Petter Askegren - as far as I know a Södermalm-born middle class guy with no immigrant heritage - represent multiculturalism to a larger extent than Just D? / Alarm 10:27, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree with the above and have rephrased it further. --Tsaddik Dervish 10:08, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * "Their lyrics referred to förortsdjungeln (the suburban jungle) i.e"... The lyrics of that song points out that Just D were all lost in the suburbs.

 * It's only one of their songs, though (albeit one of their better songs, bigger hits, and one of the few made in another version, with the dansband Thorleifs.) 惑乱 分からん 12:12, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

ska den inte heta JustD inte Just D? =)

Dead links
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There is also an article at Aerocaribbean. The two need merging. -- Beardo 22:06, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Taken from Aerocaribbean page Aerocaribbean is an airline based in Cuba.

Domestic routes
Aerocaribbean has a net of regular domestic flights that connect Havana with the most important tourist destinations in Cuba, Cayo Coco, Holguin and Santiago de Cuba.

International & charter routes
The airline offers regular flights to the following international destinations. From Havana to Managua (Nicaragua) and from Santiago de Cuba to Santo Domingo (Dominican Republic). Besides in itinerant flights you may travel from Havana to Cayman Islands and from Santiago de Cuba to Port au Prince (Haiti). Charter flights:To any domestic or international destination, mainly in the Central American and Caribbean area.

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 15:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

There is no mention of the Bristol Britannias operated by Aero Caribbean

I have added them to the 'previously operated' fleet.

Here is a link which mentions the fact that the Britannia flew with Aero Caribbean:

http://www.xm496.com/xm496.php

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Talk:Yoshi's Universal Gravitation

Due to the fact that no one is going to search for "Yoshi's Universal Gravitation", that article now redirects to this one, which I rewrote. --gakon5 (talk)

The Mario Series box
That Mario Series box is dwarfing the article itself. I won't remove it for now, but I think it would look better there is there was more to this article. If anyone that owns this game could help expand this article, that'd be great. --gakon5 (talk)

The box art should be changed all together. After the long discussion about moving the article to "Yoshi's Universal Graviation" instead of "Yohsi's Topsy-Turvy", I'm surprised that the box art shown is still the NA version. Yossarianisdead 00:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Not happy...
I'm NOT HAPPY the Spirit pages were removed! Why were they removed instead of merged into 'Yoshi Topsy Turvy's' main page if that was what was wanted. I spent some considerable time on those articles (no matter how good/bad they were) only to have them deleted for no purpose! They are no different than any other Nintendo character page! Why were they deleted and can you get them back? I was planning on finishing all of them when I next had time. Paper Mario has character bios on the game main page why didn't you do that instead of deleting my nice wikipages! There was no point in taking them away AT ALL and I am very, very dissapointed! Why did you do that!!!!!?????

Mr. Mwa Ha Ha does not exsist.
I am an owner of the game Yoshi Topsy-turvy. I have not only beaten the game but I have finished it 100%. I have seen all of the content there is to see and I can honestly say that Mr. Mwa Ha Ha is not a new character, he is not even A character for that matter. He does not exsist at all. Please change this article before I have to.

Mr. Mwa Ha Ha: edited.
There have been no objections concerning Mr.Mwa ha ha's exsistence for more than a week so I changed this article. Mr.Mwa Ha Ha has been taken off the list of characters.

Request move to Yoshi's Universal Gravitiation

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Move Duja ► 08:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know, this game is only called Yoshi Topsy-Turvy in the USA. Surely the article should be named after the most commonly used title? Not that I really care about such a terrible game... U-Mos 16:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Support - Absolutely agree, everywhere bar the Americas (where the game was released last) knows it by the original name, Yoshi's Universal Gravitation. - hahnch e  n 20:33, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Support. I don't really care who had the game first or how many countries call it which name, but the person who first wrote the article used the title appropriate to his or her region, so that's the one we should be using. In the case of things like video games, all other things being equal, I think this guideline makes the most sense. Kafziel Talk 20:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Support It is used everywhere else. Also since it is used in Europe means that this name is an English title so rules about using English is not a valid a oppose rational in this case. Sega Mega Drive is used over Sega Genesis for the same reason. --70.48.109.24 04:40, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose There is no reason to move the article since the name is not wrong, and YUG redirects here. TJ Spyke 06:38, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The article was unilaterally moved in the first place. If anything, the article should be moved back to its original location and then a move discussion should take place. If I moved George W. Bush to "President Bush", we wouldn't need to have a discussion to decide to move it back. Same here. That's the reason. Kafziel Talk 13:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I checked the edit history, the article was never moved. DS9 Voyager 01:29, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's because the user didn't do it correctly. If you see the history, you'll see the 2nd edit was the article move. - hahnch e  n 02:41, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I also don't see how currently being a redirect is a valid reason not to move the article. Many articles have been moved when they were redirects. Also if I am not mistaken using the common name (propsed name used everwhere else) take presidence over not being wrong. For example if Resident Evil 4 was moved to Biohazard 4 (only used in Japan if I am not mistaken) we would not keep it there even though is is technacally not wrong and RE4 was a redirect. I don't see why this should be different since the proposed name is used in more countries than the current one. --64.229.73.101 21:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, it's not a valid reason. In fact, a large percentage of move requests are made because the target page is already a redirect and the move needs to be made by an admin. Kafziel Talk 21:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I probabally worded my response badily. I actually agreed that it was not a good reason. I am going to reword it to make it clearer. --64.229.73.101 22:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose I fail to see reason to move it. The game sold best in North America. Also, that guideline has nothing to do with the Kafziel, it is about things like spelling and grammer. DS9 Voyager 01:29, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You're saying that this game generated more sales in North America than the rest of the world together? Have you just made that up? I know we don't use vgcharts as an authoritative source, but even the Japanese sales figures they quote are greater than the US sales.  The article shouldn't have been moved unilaterally, the original name of the game is "Yoshi's Universal Gravitation", it was only changed to "Yoshi Topsy-Turvy" when it was released in America last. - hahnch  e  n 02:41, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Even if it did sell more in N.A I am also not aware of any policy, guideline, or essay that says if a game sells more in a region that the name from that region should be used. We should be using existing policies in deciding this move. --65.95.17.176 02:49, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I know the guideline doesn't specifically address this, but I choose to use it that way. It makes sense. A lot more sense than basing the names on which country sold more units. Kafziel Talk 13:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC
 * The applicable guideline would probably be WP:COMMONNAME. It doesn't make much sense to cite IAR in this case, because the encyclopedia isn't really improved or degraded by having this article at one title or the other, with redirects in place. -GTBacchus(talk) 20:06, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Support, as the Mega Drive/Genesis issue gives clear precedence. - Cyrus XIII 22:26, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: the precedence is not clear. In the case of Mega Drive, it was literally known as the "Mega Drive" in Japan (no translation). This game was not known as Yoshi's Universal Gravitiation in Japan, it was known as Yoshi's no Banyū Inryoku. I think this distictuion is important.--SeizureDog 11:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Support, it is indeed the same as with the Mega Drive. Americocentrism on wikipedia must be destroyed.--Josquius 13:50, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Neutral : Some good points are made, but the Topsy-Turvy version of the title gets about 7,000 more hits in my Yahoo test, making it more well known. Also, as I state above, I don't consider what the Japanese title a completely valid case, as it is a translation and not literal.--SeizureDog 11:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * If you look on the Japanese box art, you'll find it actually does say "Yoshi's Universal Gravitation", in english. Although the Japanese name isn't a transliteration.  I don't use Yahoo, but made a Google search for the names before listing this on RM, "Yoshi's Universal Gravitation" gets more unique links, but fewer links in total than "Yoshi Topsy-Turvy.- hahnch  e  n 17:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Support Case made. Changed my vote. Although I do think this is another case of a Euro release with a worse name. Seriously, "universal gravitation" sounds far too technical for such a game. But I guess that's why titles are localized in the first place.--SeizureDog 01:24, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
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The Name
ITS YOSHI TOPSY-TURVY, NOT UNIVERSAL GRAVITATION. ONLY USE THE AMERICAN NAME.
 * lol, ethnocentrism 69.180.130.224 03:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

There is no rule about using American Names. The closest rule is to use English names but since Universal Gravation was used in Europe that does not apply here since it is an English name. Made up rules will not help to change it back. --67.68.155.98 23:03, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

 * As much as some people would like it to be, wikipedia is not entirely US-centric. You'll find that sometimes English articles use English spellings (like humour and favour) as opposed to US ones (like humor and favor). British, Canadian, Australian and even other non-English speaking countries have articles on their individual histories here, and this game is more widely known in the WORLD as Universal Gravitation. This is an argument over WORLD vs. U.S. and I think the world view takes precedence. How many countries call is Topsy Turvy? The US and Canada, so that's 2. How many call is Universal Gravitation? Every European country it was released in, Japan and Australia, so that's many more than 2. I think the 'Universal Gravitation' people have this one. --Thaddius 18:17, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Just give it the US name. People will know what it is, plus it sounds better. So what if Universal Gravitation is the Japanese and Australian name? Use the American name please. Link 486 12:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Correction: people in the US know is as the US name. Also, it's the NORTH AMERICAN NAME. The US isn't the only country in the world. Strange but true. By the measure of 'more people know it as', total the number of people in Europe, Australia and Japan and compare that to the total population of North America. I think you'll find more people in the world call it Universal Gravitation and would recognize that name. It's just a game guys, Topsy-turvy redirects here, get over it. --Thaddius 13:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * "Correction: people in the US know is as the US name." < That's a load of rubbish. I see it referred to as Yoshi Topsy Turvy everywhere on the internet, wheres I've never seen in referred by the other name even once. 181.95.69.20 (talk) 20:09, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

What makes you think that I think that the US is the only country? You get over YOURSELF, you party pooper! The North American name sounds better! DON'T YOU REALIZE THAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Link 486 00:58, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Since no one agrees with you and, again, there are more people out there who call it by one name rather than the other, you lose. On Wikipedia it doesn't matter what sounds better, it matters what people are going to type into the search bar. Thaddius 23:46, 11 April 2007 (UTC)]
 * Proof that there are there are more people who call it Yoshi Universal Gravitation? Also, please explain why everyone calls it Yoshi Topsy Turvy on the internet. 181.95.69.20 (talk) 20:15, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I think this may be the dumbest argument I've seen on this site so far. RoadSmasher420 (talk) 13:53, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Ok, so not everyone likes the name like touchy Link 486.How about we compromise and call it "Yoshi's Universal Gravitation (Yoshi's Topsy Turvy)"? See,I put the North American name in the Brackets.99.230.152.143 17:58, 7 October 2007 (UTC) Or even better,Yoshi's topsy turvy/Yoshi's universal gravitation 99.230.152.143 20:11, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I own the Japanese version of the game, which is called Yoshi's Universal Gravitation. If there are two regions that have the same name (Europe & Japan) angainst one (Topsy-Turvy, North America), I think it should be renamed. 1yodsyo1 15:33, 5 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1yodsyo1 (talk • contribs)

I don't understand your comment. Can you rephrase it? 99.230.152.143 (talk) 20:19, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

personally imo, it should be called topsy turvy since this is the english dub of wikipedia. Hollywoodd 23:04, 21 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kperfekt722 (talk • contribs)

I don't care about the name one way or the other, but in all fairness to the people saying "America is not the only country in the world" and "Americans need to get over themselves." Wikipedia was invented by 2 Americans. So you really wouldn't even be having this discussion if all Americans were egocentric idiots like you claim.129.139.1.68 (talk) 18:48, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

 * The most common name is the one that is supposed to be used. See: WP:Title for a clear reason to avoid further dispute. However, Wikipedia should be uniform. All pages must link to Universal Gravitation and call it as such, including the info box. This, of course, excludes external links and anything explicitly referring to the NA edition (such as: 2005 in video gaming, where it lists the North American release date specifically). And even then, it should be formatted like: Yoshi Topsy-Turvy, where it still links directly to the article and not to a redirect. I've already gone a head and done some/most of this because I was bored. I hope there isn't a mass revert, then I would have wasted my time for nothing. :P 71.207.158.68 (talk) 05:30, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Photo request
Since we've changed names, we need a new box cover. And I need to go find the marketing genius who thought "Universal Gravitation" was a good name and slap him a few times with a rolled-up newspaper. That title is almost as bad as Peter Jackson's King Kong: The Official Game of the Movie. Hbdragon88 05:11, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

you apparently don't get it. The japanese (in their language) totally thinks its all right, but it sounds weird to us Americans. You just cannot blame other people for naming games. Anyone played SMT-Devil Summoner? 1yodsyo1 15:36, 5 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1yodsyo1 (talk • contribs)

To add one more comment, The europeans also call it Yoshi's Universal Gravitation. 1yodsyo1 16:07, 14 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1yodsyo1 (talk • contribs)

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Porn Again

Porn Again is a collaborative studio album by American rappers Mr. Eon and Cage and record producer DJ Mighty Mi, recording as a supergroup Smut Peddlers. It was released on February 13, 2001, via Rawkus/Priority Records. Recording sessions took place at The Muthafuckin' Spot On Lexington. Production was handled by member DJ Mighty Mi, who also served as executive producer together with his The High & Mighty partner Mr. Eon. It features guest appearances from Copywrite, Kool G Rap, Kool Keith, R.A. the Rugged Man, Apani B. Fly, Lord Sear and Beetlejuice. The album peaked at number 184 on the Billboard 200, number 43 on the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums and number 10 in the Heatseekers Albums in the United States. It was re-released as Porn Again Revisited on March 7, 2006, via Eastern Conference Records, with four bonus tracks that were formerly only available on vinyl.

The album cover features Lester "Beetlejuice" Green, an entertainer most notable for his appearances on The Howard Stern Show. This was a decision made by Rawkus Records.

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 * Eric "Mr. Eon" Meltzer – main artist, vocals, executive producer, sleeve notes
 * Chris "Cage" Palko – main artist, vocals, sleeve notes
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Jerry Wanker

Jean-Pierre Poirier (11 September 1956 in Paris – July 2000 in Brussels) also known as Jerry Wanker and Jerry WX) was a Belgian guitarist from Brussels, Belgium, who played in several punk rock bands.

Poirier started out with Chainsaw (the first punk band in Brussels and the French-speaking part of Belgium) together with Micky Mike (aka Snowy Red). After only one 7", Chainsaw called it quits and Jerry moved on for a short stint in X-Pulsion with the Klang-brothers (one split seven inch record with Streets).

His next step moved away from punk, with Digital Dance together with Streets keyboard player Jean-Marc Lederman (best known for his work in The Weathermen). After Digital Dance, he went into different side projects (with ex-Digital Dancers Stephan Barbery and TVIC), to finally find his ultimate love in the garage rock band The Revenge. Like his former partner Micky Mike, he went into production and session work for many known and unknown Belgian bands until his death.

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Link needs updating
the link for the current years budget under http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Los_Angeles_County_Metropolitan_Transportation_Authority&action=edit&section=20 needs to be updated. i dont know where the original one came from but the current is invalid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.62.46.50 (talk) 00:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

 * >>>>>>THESE ARTICLES ARE TOTAL PROPAGANDA FOR Metro, MTA, & LACMTA.<<<<<<* — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.235.21.183 (talk) 15:49, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Major cleanup needed
I deleted large swaths of the history section, because most of it is already repeated in the other five articlesa about the Metro Rail. However, I don't know how long of a pargraph is needed to cover the basics of the history of the Metro Rail. Second, the buses really need some history. We see a whole bunch of stats rambled off - greenest fleet ever and all that - but WHEN did they switch and WHY did they switch? And so forth. We really need some info on that area. And then there's the organization - as the dividers stand now, they are identical and can be quite confusing. Hbdragon88 06:03, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Looks like I've been overruled on the history section, but the bus section is still in need of some history. Hbdragon88 04:42, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * All of a sudden, there is a lot of pictures in the page. Not only are they cluttered, but they are from the MTA. I was told that photos from the Metro website are disallowed on Wikipedia. Pacific Coast Highway |Spam me!
 * thanks for shrinking them down a bit, it looks better. In response to your concern about the pictures 1. The pictures are for promotional use which makes them fair game according to the wikipedia image uploading copyright guidelines.  Note the copyright tag that accompanies them.  2.  Additionally, They came from this page which gives permission to publish them. http://www.metro.net/news_info/gallery.htm  "You can then copy the image for possible publication if you wish. Thanks for visiting the Pressroom Photo Gallery and come back often as new photos are displayed."  I think wikipedia falls within the spirit of this statement  3.  The photos illustrate several important things in relation to the text.  The stylings of the Compo Bus, The colors of the Rapid, Local and Express buses as well as the unusal physical characteristics of the sixty foot Metro Liner.  I moved the logo down to where the text talks about the the logo so the reader can glance at the logo as they read about it and how it came into being.  Lastly, I'm not sure why the photo of the interior subway shot is a candidate for deletion?  I think for a system that has over 70 miles of rail at least one rail shot is appropriate, specially since much of the text is about rail. --SAUNDERS 01:02, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Current organziation of article
This article is about the authority not the history of indivisual lines. For History of individual lines one can refer to those independent articles.

It is not necessarily to devide the history of MTA up into further categories. This only makes the readability of the article more difficult as the flow is heavily disrupted. For example the history as it now appears starts in 2004, eleven years after the foundation of the twelve year old authority then it jumps back to 1990, then forward to 2000, then back again to 1993, 1994, 1999 and then once again back to 1994.... It's very difficult to get a quick understanding of  how the  order these the lines came into operation.

The division also makes the article lopsided as the bus history is obviously less developed then rail.

Beyond the structure the article now several run on sentences and misspellings.

I am hesitant to revert back to the Nov. 12 edit because I have already once reverted HBdragon's edits when he/she deleted swaths of information several weeks ago. It is my hope that someone else will revert or hbdragon him/her self will consider my comments and revert the article him or herself

Thanks

--SAUNDERS 18:16, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Truce?
It is obvious that you both agree that the article needs major work. Can we call a truce and quit doing huge chunks of edits and reversions of each other? Can both of you discuss what you think the major problems are with the article, and then provide some detail on what you think needs to be done? Blank Verse 20:07, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

 * The question is I don't know what needs to be done. I was a little bold in deleting large swaths, which was overruled, so I instead worked within the article itself, wikifying links and trying to make it more structured.  I found the "History" section to be a laundry list of dates, so I thought that dividing it up by line would flow a little better than jumping around from Blue (1990) to Red (1993) to the BRU truce (1994?) to Red (1994) to Green (1995) and then back to Red (1999/2000); there is disagreement that I didn't think would be an issue. Hbdragon88 20:31, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Since the article is about the LACMTA, I think that a strait timeline approach is probably the best, with this article covering only the major events and controversies, and all of the details about each line relagated to the individual articles. It helps to understand the history of the LACMTA to know that they were looking for funding for W, while planning X, and building Y, while finishing up on Z.

 * What is missing, IMHO, is more info on the bus part of the LACMTA. For that, you might have to tap the Busriders Union website, and maybe some of the old stories at the LA Weekly. Blank Verse 13:37, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I realigned the page more to the year-by-year format, although it now reads a lot more choppily and list-like. I still think that the page is better served by separating the Metro Rail and the Controvery section. Hbdragon88 22:02, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

 * As you can tell from the page history and the expanded length of the article I pretty much spent the whole day working on the article. I did a lot researching on bus history via the Metro website which both of you said needed more attention.  I also filled out a little more of the back history on rail, which I got from the great LA Weekly article on the history of the Red Line.  Lastly, I put in some promotional pictures of L.A. buses and color scheme.  Still need one good shot of the L.A. subway for balance and because I like pictures :*) It would be nice to find a little more information on the 4 transit strikes and one near transit strike in the agencies relatively short history.  Namely which months and reasons. Cheers mates,--SAUNDERS 05:03, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I personally think that the article is much easier to read, and it is much easier to understand the history of the LACMTA in User:SSAUNDERS new version. Blank Verse 20:53, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I'm back. Since my edits have resulted in two minor wars, I've decided to make any major changes into a temp page and propose them here before making any more drastic edits to the main article itself.  Here in this temp page I again propose dividing up the bus and rail sections and giving mroe descriptive headers to each important part of the Metro Rail.  My rationale behind it is that the History section is rather hard to read, with all the information crammed together like that; dividing it up into more sections would be better.  I have attempted to retain the year-by-year dating that SAUNDERS has believes is better while still trying to make sense in sections.  Feel free to shoot it down if it's totally stupid. Hbdragon88 08:13, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Looks fine to me, although where to we put some of the non transit stuff? Like the history of the Freeway Service Patrol, highway projects, etc. Calwatch 00:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

cleanup-date tag
User:Pacific Coast Highway added the cleanup-date tag to the Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority. I left a message on his talk page saying that he need to join the discussion on this talk page describing what he thinks needs to be done to improve it. In my own opinion, I think that article has already been greatly improved over the last few days by User:SAUNDERS. If he does not respond, I will delete the cleanup template.

As for the transit strikes, does the bus drivers union have a website? Also, there probably should be a little more info on the Bus Riders Union (maybe they even deserve their own article). Blank Verse 20:48, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I removed the cleanup tag, mainly because the pictures cluttered up the page. As to those, I uploaded, and was met with. To that accord, I listed those pictures on Ifd. Pacific Coast Highway |Spam me!

So I did it
I messaged BlankVerse about a proposed temp page (listed above). BlankVerse said that it was too decisive. So I altered it, reintergrating the bus history into the rail history. Then I left notes on SAUNDERS's and BlankVerse's user pages to request more inquires. It has been a few days now (12 for SAUNDERS, 4 for BlankVerse). I've rolled my changes in there. - Hbdragon88 03:18, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Looks pretty good, but as usual, everybody feels they need to clean up, myself included. I do support more commas for extra readability, instead of the short clipped unpunctuated sentences that some prefer. Commas are your friend, and are not evil. Calwatch 08:43, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

comma, comma, comma, comedian....Boy George Thinking about things to add....How about a link to Henry Huntington, since most of the rail routes follow old red car right of ways. How about a link to GM, since they fundamentally altered transit in Los Angeles for 40 years. I think there is way too much "related" stuff that doesn't help give focus to the central theme which should be what is Metro and what does it provide. The off topic stuff is interesting, but should be in a different sub-catagory Gohiking 16:12, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Pictures
I would like to avoid using Image:Los_angeles_bus_colors.jpg Image:Bus_los_angeles_local.jpg if at all possible. So far I have managed to catch a somewhat decent picture of the Metro Express (blue) bus. I'll upload it soon. Can someone take a take a picture of the Metro Local and Metro Rapid ones so we can delete the copyrighted ones? - Hbdragon88 05:26, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Uploaded. Can be found at Image:MetroExpress.jpg - Hbdragon88 05:37, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay cool. User Morven has uploaded Image:Metro Local bus.jpg.  The Metro Local bus has been tagged for deletion.  I'm heading into LA tomorrow, so I'll see if I can get a good Metro Rapid one. Hbdragon88 03:45, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I figured that having Image:LACMTA_Rapid_Bus.jpg was good enough to illustrate the article; that, with the two free Express and Local imgaes, makes the Image:Los_angeles_bus_colors.jpg obselete. Now - all is left is the Rapid image.  I don't commute there anymore, so could someone possibly grab a picture? Hbdragon88 21:50, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Woohoo! Someone uploaded Image:720_Metro_Rapid.jpg, which replaces the last fair use bus image. Hbdragon88 05:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Reorganization
I reordered the article so that the enormous History section appears after the basic information about the organization and its services. I know that other transportation authority articles seem to first discuss the history, but no article has a history section THIS long. I felt it really detracted from the article, although the information is very important. Instead of shortening the history section, I simply moved it down. If people are unhappy about this, please feel free to revert my reorganization. I feel it's a much easier read this way, but I'm sure I don't speak for 100% of the readers here. --SameerKhan 10:49, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Citing references
I went through about half of this article and cited a lot of statements. I need someone to format these references correctly and add more to the rest of the article. Stuff like Julian Burke, the BRU agreement, Day Pass, naming change, and others need to be cited. I'd like to work this up to a possible WP:FA status. Can we do it? - Hbdragon88 05:51, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Governance Council reversion
Once again, we have an anon reverting my comments about the Governance Council. My source is the California State Auditor, which says, to wit:

 * One issue identified by the MTA in its planning phase for sector implementation was a need for community input. However, weaknesses in its methods of advertising governance council meetings could cause it to miss opportunities to use these meetings effectively as a means of improving community input into bus operations and tailoring services to local needs. For example, the MTA occasionally advertises monthly governance council meetings via "Metro Briefs" in local newspapers. However, MTA staff acknowledged that the MTA does not advertise the governance council meetings in these print advertisements on a monthly basis, making it difficult for the public to know how to find out when a council meeting is about to occur. Moreover, the MTA does not provide links to its monthly governance council meeting schedules on its Web pages for service sectors or for bus routes. Currently, the only avenue MTA bus riders have for determining the sector responsible for a given route is through a toll-free number for customer service. Callers to this number must go through several steps to reach MTA staff members who can provide this information. Further, the MTA does not publish the fact that bus riders can get sector-related information through this number.

Continuing to change the sentence to remove criticism of the GC's is POV and will be dealt with reversion. Thanks. Calwatch 03:02, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

APTA Award
I added information on Metro's APTA award to the history section, I put it at the top because it works nicely with the brief history of Metro. Although, it seems a little out of place in the whole article so suggestions of where it would be better placed would be appreciated. RickyCourtney 05:00, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I moved it to the bottom because the history is arranged chrologically - starting fromthe formating of the SCRTD and LATAC in the 1960s and 1970s down to the Expo Line in 2005. Or it could be placed at the very top before the first header, but I think the history is good for now. Hbdragon88 20:30, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Split?
This article is currently 54KB long. Curious to know how we can trim thsi down. Many long articles have a short history in a "History" header with an in-depth article forked off from the main one. I think we shoudl do this here, but I wanted to get some other opinions. Hbdragon88 22:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Do it Jorobeq 20:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Metro Design Studio
I think as a part of the Wikipedia pages of Metro we should include information on the "Metro Design Studio" they were recently featured in Communicaton Arts, the first time a transportation agency has ever been featured in it. The studio also creates the agencys quarterly magazene. So any feedback where it might work the best on this page? RickyCourtney 17:48, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Old RTD Page
Back when I lived in California, circa 1978, the Los Angeles-based bus system was known as "RTD". There is a lot of history there, and it might be better to use the existing Southern California Rapid Transit District (which currently is a redirect to this article) and have the history of the agency there. RTD's service changes (they went from a series of different numbers to a unified numbering system), the time they had a special subsidy back around 1974 or so and bus service anywhere for 25c on weekdays and 10c on sundays. The constant problems with service, etc. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) 03:53, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

 * If you can expand on the RTD's history, be bold and go for it ! The article before was a one-pargraph stub that sipmly summariezed what this current page had. Hbdragon88 06:59, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Fleet

 * Added info about rail fleet. Please check numbers... there is dispute on the web about the specific numbers... but the numbers I put should be close.
 * I propose to split the fleet section into a new article, "Fleet of the LACMTA."

Comments? Concerns? Suggestions? RickyCourtney 01:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I see that there are several areas where people are suggesting splits.

 * Regarding "History_of_the_Metro", I am against it because it really belongs here, and instead separate the LACTC, RTD, and other predecessor agencies instead, using a "before - Agency - after" timeline format instead.

 * I am against splitting off the "Fleet of the LACMTA", and I have a bigger objection to this section primarily because Wikipedia doesn't need to know every bus in the fleet (see WP:NOT) although a summary of the type of fleet would be fine. I appreciate the people who have maintained the list, but I think it's too much info to be on the wiki page.  If there was a "Wiki Transit" project, I would have no problem with it going there.  Gohiking 19:30, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

RickyCourtney, Thanks for moving the fleet off the main page. Just that change alone makes the page flow much better. Sorry about the mess up yesterday with the edit, usually Wikipedia will notifies when there was another edit in between your edits, but it didn't happen yesterday. Gohiking 19:55, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

New News - someone pls add
not sure where it would go, but "In boost to LA subway extension, House lifts tunneling ban" -- this clears the way for construction of the red line along Wilshire to Santa Monica

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/16644770.htm Revolute 23:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Remember that we are not Wikinews, and also remember that the same bill passed the house last year, but never went further. I'd wait until the Senate also passes it and then President Bush signs the bill, before I would go and amend anyplace on the Wikipedia where the tunneling ban is mentioned .  Blank Verse  09:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Can we get there from here?
Wikipedia's articles on transit in Los Angeles are almost as confusing as the reality of transit in Los Angeles. For example, the Pacific Electric Railway article contains big chunks of historic stuff that I'd say belong either here or in the Southern California Rapid Transit District article. While the P.E. article seems overlong, the Los Angeles Railway article is still fairly stubby. Both contain some inaccuracies. Also, I've just created a stub for Los Angeles Metropolitan Transit Authority, the pre-SCRTD post-Metropolitan Coach Lines agency which people often conflate with the current LACMTA. There's also the Los Angeles County Metro Rail article, which has some overlaps with other articles. I'm not sure if some of these articles ought to be merged, or split apart and rearranged, or what, but some serious re-organization is surely in order. Also, for anyone interested, in both the new MTA stub and in the P.E. article I've linked a PDF from the Huntington Library which covers the history of L.A. transit plans from 1951 until sometime after 2001. It's worth looking at, and clears up some of the fuzzy details about the subject. Whyaduck 06:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Bus Colours
I'm an Australian tourist that's been in Venice/Santa Monica in Los Angeles today (10 May 2007). I took photos of Orange, Green, Blue, and Red buses, all seemingly on non-express roads.

This article states that there are 3 colours of buses (red, blue, and orange), but the Blue bus (which should be an "Express" according to the article) was going along Main St (a minor road).

Could someone perhaps look into the description for the bus service and address the current colour scheme for the buses? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.15.1.228 (talk) 06:28, 11 May 2007 (UTC).

 * I believe the LACMTA may substitute colors when none are available. For instance, I've seen Metro Express routes being handled by Metro Rapid red buses and the old Metro Local paint scheme buses. hbdragon88 06:30, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Another possibility is that our Australian tourist may have mistaken a Big Blue Bus for a LACMTA bus. The Big Blue Buses tend to outnumber LACMTA buses in the area between Venice, Brentwood, Santa Monica, and Westwood.  --Coolcaesar 07:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

A agree... I think I know the area he is talking about... my guess is that the orange and red buses were Metro Local and Rapid, while the blue (periwinkle) buses were probably a bus from Big Blue Bus, and the only transit agency to my knowledge in the LA area the runs green colored buses is Culver CityBus, which also serves near the Santa Monica Area. RickyCourtney 17:37, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Criticism Section Needed
Considering all of the controversy over the transit system in LA, this article gives a surprisingly rosy picture of things. Might we add a section on criticism of the system, its policies, and its governance? There are many well-documented sources of criticism that could be used.aluxeterna 17:00, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Criticism is sprinkled throughout the article, both in the 1998 measure, the multiple strikes, and other situations. If there is something that we have grossly missed, by all means please edit it in.  However, I believe that criticism is better spread throughout the article instead of ine one big section. hbdragon88 23:57, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

NPOV?
Large swaths of this article, particularly the sections about rail transit planning, appear to use heavily biased language. This really does need to be dealt with to return the article to a more neutral tone. It's annoying that I have to write this as I'm a huge fan of rapid transit and a big supporter of the L.A. metro, but this is an encyclopedic article and is really needs to have the personal opinions of the author removed from the content. 134.50.7.201 01:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

--I've done a lot of work to clean up this article and I think it has valid criticisms. There are small areas with biased language, but if you want to edit it, then make sure the facts stay there and don't be biased for Los Angeles. Phattonez 20:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Can you be more specific in your concerns? What about the article that annoys you? hbdragon88 22:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Actually, along that vein, I've heard that the LA subway was created and routed with ward-level politics in mind, which is why its stops are where no one wants to go. If anybody has a source for this, it should definitely be part of the article.--Loodog (talk) 18:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

GA review
I looked over this article and decided to quick fail the article due to a couple of points 1.) External links in article when the information should be cited, 2.) Colors (distracting, and I think people know the colors of the rainbow). This is also against WP:MOS. 3.) Some original research in paragraph structure (no cites) 4.) Cites are not properly formatted according to WP:CITE. 5.) Trivia section. You are welcome to get a second opinion or have the article re-assessed once improved to GA-quality.  m ir a nd a   10:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

 * The GAN was a procedural one as someone inserted the WP LA template with a GA-class rating and another user removed it. I am well aware that there are a number of holes (stuff that's been around for ages but hasn't been cited), and if I ever get around to it I will nominate the article myself. hbdragon88 (talk) 22:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Time to break the article up into separate articles
Looking at this article, I'm noticing that this article is way too long. An example of how to break it up may be found in the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (New York) page, where that article is very short, but has links to many sub-articles; there are hundreds of sub-articles coming from that (including stations). The fleets should be broken up into their own article, as well as LACMTA buses, rail-based rapid transit, and bus rapid transit articles. The New York MTA article is just an example of how it can be done; that article is not long at all. --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 20:42, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Remove US in front of $
How about removing US in front of all fares? There's no need and $ symbol already by default mean US$. We can specific all fares in US$ at the top of table, but should not be necessary by context, esp. if we specify it MTA is an agency in the US. --Mistakefinder (talk) 07:32, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Trivia
Can we go ahead and remove this section? ~ Butros   (talk)  10:02, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

why no mention highway support
lacmta is in charge of providing funding for la county roads. they also provide tow service for stranded passengers on la freeways. that should be on here too. thats also what they do75.16.39.200 (talk) 07:54, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The Metro Freeway Service Patrol is mentioned under other services, and the funding for highways is mentioned in the lead. --TorriTorri(Talk to me!) 17:57, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Crime quote
"Between 2003 and 2008 Part I crimes have decreased 29.4% on Metro rails and 10% on the Metro buses." - I can't figure out what this means. This is a multi year claim, so was the high in 2003 and it's dropped a couple of percentage points per year to a low in 2008, or...? Anyone? Lexlex (talk) 18:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Listing of routes
has been adding routes to the main page. This is a bad idea. There are more than 200 routes... so it will undoubtedly become a giant list. On top of that... we really shouldn't be listing routes at all (even on separate pages). There's a great discussion about this at Articles for deletion/List of TriMet bus routes. Paraphrasing that discussion, Wikipedia is not a travel guide and this list will be of little use to anyone planning to take a bus, since they would need to go to Metro's website to find out whether the route still exists, where to catch the bus, and when it runs. I recommend this list be deleted and we consider deleting the lists on the Metro Local, Rapid and Express pages. --RickyCourtney (talk) 00:17, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Kinkisharyo P3010
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I finally created a page for the Kinkisharyo P3010. Feel free to take a look and make some changes/additions. TJH2018 talk  16:24, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

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Cleanup badly needed
The article currently reads like a marketing brochure, complete with price guides. I keep trying to remove the worst of the marketing, but keep getting reverted by a new editor. Examples: , can we please discuss? Thanks, The Mighty Glen (talk) 00:58, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * "Already boasting the largest fleet of compressed natural gas busses in the United States, Metro is now stating that they aim to have a fully electric bus system by 2030, along with a full switch to electric operations for the Orange and Silver lines by 2020 and shortly after, respectively."
 * The price guide in the "Fares" section
 * "Reduced Fare Opportunities: Metro offers an array of reduced fare programs for low-income riders. Such programs allow eligible applicants to use special TAP Cards and reduced-rate daily, weekly, or monthly Metro passes, also including free balance protection for cards, so that qualifying riders don’t need to worry if their cards are lost or stolen.". With a price guide.

 * I've removed the section on reduced fares and left a single-sentence summary. It seemed to the be worst of the kind of advertising-like stuff that was added. Maybe more work needs to be done. Red Rock Canyon (talk) 17:38, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Maintenance Templates
A few months back someone (perhaps an employee of Metro) added quite a bit of material to this article that relied solely on primary sources and read like an official Metro guide for riders. I think the worst of it has been removed, but the templates remain and I think are still relevant, since the article is over-reliant on primary sources (and has been for some time). I just don't really know where to find decent independent sources to replace primary sources or to use as the basis for rewriting sections. Any suggestions on how to improve this article so that the templates can be removed? Red Rock Canyon (talk) 04:52, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

 * I agree that this article reads a bit too much like a guide or advert for Metro when it should instead read like an encyclopedia article about the agency, describing both the agency's successes and failures. The article History of the LACMTA provides more coverage of that sort, and the content from there could be summarized and included in this article. Looking through that article, it seems to me like local news stories and reports from state and federal auditors could be used as good third-party independent sources. ECTran71 (talk) 10:31, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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North Hatley

North Hatley is a village of 675 people (2021 Census), located at the north end of Lake Massawippi. It is part of the Memphrémagog Regional County Municipality in the Eastern Townships region of Quebec, Canada, also known as Estrie or Cantons de l'Est in French.

Locals usually have to drive to the nearby towns of Magog or Sherbrooke to find big-city amenities, although there are smaller stores and cafés in the town which are open year-round.

History
Many of the first settlers around North Hatley were United Empire Loyalists, mostly farmers, who left New England in the years following the American Declaration of Independence in 1776.

The village owes most of its great houses and particular architecture to its first aristocrats, and mostly Americans from south of the Mason–Dixon line.

Demographics
In the 2021 Census of Population conducted by Statistics Canada, North Hatley had a population of $675$ living in $319$ of its $450$ total private dwellings, a change of NaN% from its 2016 population of $632$. With a land area of 3.35 km2, it had a population density of in 2021.

Local government
List of former mayors:

 * Stephan Doré (2001–2009)
 * Michael Page (2009–2021)
 * Marcella Davis Gerrish (2021–Present)

In media
North Hatley was the location for the shooting of a few films, including Secret Window with Johnny Depp.

North Hatley was mentioned in the television show The X-Files as the location of the Cigarette Smoking Man's hideout (in the episode "The Red and the Black").

North Hatley was the setting for the 2003 film Hatley High. Some of its landmarks, including the North Hatley sign, can be seen throughout the movie. However, the bulk of the movie was filmed in Hudson.

Notable people
Several Canadian Modernist poets, including F. R. Scott, Louis Dudek, Ralph Gustafson and D. G. Jones, have lived in North Hatley.

It is also home to many artists and craftspeople, including Emily LeBaron, an artist, antiquarian, art teacher and community organizer.

North Hatley also has in its history philanthropists well committed to their community, such as Janet Blake.

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AGM-123 Skipper II

AGM-123 Skipper II is a short-range laser-guided missile developed by the United States Navy. The Skipper was intended as an anti-ship weapon, capable of disabling the largest vessels with a 1,000-lb (450-kg) impact-fuzed warhead.

Design
The AGM-123 is composed out of a 1000 lb Mark 83 low-drag general purpose bomb fitted with a Paveway guidance kit and one Aerojet Mk 78 solid-propellant rocket that fires upon launch. The rocket allows the AGM-123 to be dropped farther away from the target than could free-fall bombs, which helps protect the delivery aircraft from surface-to-air-missiles and anti-aircraft artillery near the target.

The AGM-123 was developed at the China Lake Naval Weapons Center and was carried by the A-6E Intruder, A-7 Corsair II, and F/A-18.

Operational history
Four Skipper missiles launched by A-6E Intruders contributed to sinking the Iranian frigate Sahand during Operation Praying Mantis on April 18, 1988.

Skipper missiles were also fired in Operation Desert Storm against Iraqi surface vessels by A-6s and U.S. Marine aircraft.

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Horatio Seymour (Vermont politician)

Horatio Seymour (May 31, 1778 – November 21, 1857) was a United States senator from Vermont. He was the uncle of Origen S. Seymour and the great-uncle of Origen's son Edward W. Seymour.

Horatio Seymour's brother Henry became a resident of Utica, New York and was the father of Horatio Seymour, who served as Governor of New York, and of Julia Catherine Seymour, the wife of Senator Roscoe Conkling.

Early life
Seymour was born in Litchfield, Connecticut, on May 31, 1778, the son of Mary (Molly) Marsh Seymour and Major Moses Seymour, a veteran of the American Revolution, the longtime Litchfield town clerk, and a member of the Connecticut House of Representatives. Horatio Seymour attended the local schools, and was tutored by his brother in law, the Reverend Truman Marsh. Seymour graduated from Yale College in 1797 and received his Master of Arts degree from Yale in 1799. He taught school in Cheshire, Connecticut, and studied at the Litchfield Law School. Seymour then moved to Middlebury, Vermont, completed his legal training in the office of Daniel Chipman, and was admitted to the bar in 1800.

Start of career
Seymour established a successful law practice in Middlebury. He also trained several prospective attorneys in his office, including Edward John Phelps, John C. Churchill, and John Wolcott Stewart. He was active in the Episcopal Church, and the management of the Addison County Grammar School and Middlebury College.

From 1800 to 1809 Seymour was Middlebury's postmaster. He was a member of the State executive council from 1809 to 1814, and state’s attorney for Addison County from 1810 to 1813 and 1815 to 1819.

United States senator
In 1820 Seymour was a successful Democratic-Republican candidate for the United States Senate. He was reelected as a National Republican in 1826, and served from March 4, 1821 to March 3, 1833. He did not run for re-election in 1832. During his Senate career, Seymour served as chairman of the Committee to Audit and Control the Contingent Expenses (18th and 19th Congresses), and the Committee on Agriculture (22nd Congress).

Later career
Seymour continued his Middlebury law practice after leaving the Senate. By now a Whig, he ran unsuccessfully for Governor of Vermont several times in the 1830s in an ultimately successful effort to have his new party supplant the Anti-Masonic Party as the main alternative to the Democratic Party. From 1847 to 1856 he served as Addison County's probate court judge.

Death and burial
Seymour died in Middlebury, Vermont on November 21, 1857. He was buried in Middlebury's West Cemetery.

Family
In 1800 Seymour married Lucy Case of Addison. They were the parents of four sons and two daughters. Lucy Case Seymour died in 1838.

Seymour's son Ozias (1801–1861) was an attorney in Middlebury, and served as Addison County State's Attorney.

His son Horatio Seymour Jr. (1813–1872) was an attorney in Buffalo, New York and served as Erie County's surrogate court judge.

Seymour's son Moses was a merchant and farmer, first in Middlebury, and later in Geneva, Wisconsin, and served in local office including president of Geneva's board of village trustees.

His daughter Mary was 16 when she died of tuberculosis in 1821.

Seymour's daughter Emma was the wife of Phillip Battell and they were the parents of two children before her death in 1841. Their daughter, also named Emma (1837–1900), was the wife of John Wolcott Stewart.

His son Henry served in the United States Army during the Second Seminole War, and died in Boston in 1847.

Legacy
In 1811 Seymour received the honorary degree of master of arts from Middlebury College.

In 1847 Yale University awarded Seymour an honorary LL.D., an event timed to coincide with the fiftieth anniversary of his college graduation.

In 1816 Seymour built a large brick house at the corner of what are now Main and Seymour streets in Middlebury. His descendants made a gift of the house to the town in 1932, and it now operates as the Middlebury Community House, a meeting place that provides Middlebury's children with social, recreational and educational activities.

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Orientpet

Orientpets, Orienpets or OT hybrid Lilies are a breed of lilies, the result of crosses between orientals and trumpets. They are valued for their appearance, disease-resistance, hardiness and for late blooming.

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George White's Scandals

George White's Scandals were a long-running string of Broadway revues produced by George White that ran from 1919–1939, modeled after the Ziegfeld Follies. The "Scandals" launched the careers of many entertainers, including W. C. Fields, the Three Stooges, Ray Bolger, Helen Morgan, Ethel Merman, Ann Miller, Eleanor Powell, Bert Lahr and Rudy Vallée. Louise Brooks, Dolores Costello, Barbara Pepper, and Alice Faye got their show business start as lavishly dressed (or underdressed) chorus girls strutting to the "Scandal Walk". Much of George Gershwin's early work appeared in the 1920–24 editions of Scandals. The Black Bottom, danced by Ziegfeld Follies star Ann Pennington and Tom Patricola, touched off a national dance craze.

George White's Scandals is also the name of several movies set within the Scandals, all of which focus primarily on the show's acts, with a thin backstage plot stringing them all together. The best known of these was 1934's George White's Scandals, with music and additional dialogue by Jack Yellen, which marked the film debut of Alice Faye. Flapper-era cartoonist and designer Russell Patterson worked on Broadway in various capacities; for George White's Scandals of 1936, he served as scenic designer. George White's Scandals of 1920 was featured in an episode of the television series The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles.

George White
White was an American theatrical producer and director who also was an actor, choreographer, composer, dancer, dramatist, lyricist and screenwriter, as well as a Broadway theater-owner. Appearing in the Ziegfeld Follies of 1915, he popularized the Turkey Trot dance.

1919

 * Lester Allen
 * La Sylphe
 * Peggy Dolan
 * Ann Pennington
 * Ona Munson
 * Yvette Rugel
 * The George White Girls (including Christine Welford)

1920

 * Lester Allen
 * Peggy Dolan
 * Lou Holtz
 * La Sylphe
 * Ann Pennington
 * The George White Girls (including Christine Welford)

1921

 * Lester Allen
 * Lou Holtz
 * Tess Gardella
 * Charles King
 * Ann Pennington
 * The George White Girls (including Christine Welford)

1922

 * Lester Allen
 * Peggy Dolan
 * W. C. Fields
 * Winnie Lightner
 * Sally Long
 * Paul Whiteman & His Orchestra
 * The George White Girls (including Dolores Costello)

1923

 * Lester Allen
 * Winnie Lightner
 * The Breens
 * Johnny Dooley
 * Tom Patricola
 * Tip Top Four
 * The George White Girls (including Dolores Costello, Helene Costello and Edna May Reed)

1924

 * Lester Allen
 * Tony DeMarco
 * Peggy Dolan
 * Winnie Lightner
 * Tom Patricola
 * The Williams Sisters
 * The George White Girls (including Louise Brooks, Dolores Costello, Helene Costello, Dorothy Sebastian and Sally Starr)

1925

 * Helen Morgan
 * Gordon Dooley
 * Elm City Four
 * The McCarthy Sisters
 * Tom Patricola
 * The George White Girls (including Louise Brooks)
 * Patricia Bowman

1926

 * The Fairbanks Twins
 * Portland Hoffa
 * Willie and Eugene Howard
 * Tom Patricola
 * Ann Pennington
 * Harry Richman
 * Fowler & Tamara
 * Frances Williams
 * The George White Girls
 * Patricia Bowman

1928

 * Tom Patricola
 * Willie and Eugene Howard
 * Ann Pennington
 * Harry Richman
 * The Russell Markert Dancers
 * June MacCloy
 * Frances Williams
 * Elm City Four (including Thomas W. Ross)
 * The George White Girls (including Boots Mallory)

1929

 * Jack Durant
 * Elm City Four
 * Ted and Sally
 * Willie and Eugene Howard
 * Frances Williams
 * Marietta Canty
 * Elm City Four (including Thomas W. Ross)
 * The George White Girls

1931

 * Ray Bolger
 * Ethel Barrymore Colt
 * Willie and Eugene Howard, including "Pay the Two Dollars"
 * Everett Marshall, including the first performance of "That's Why Darkies Were Born"
 * Ethel Merman, introducing “Life Is Just a Bowl of Cherries”
 * Rudy Vallée
 * Alice Faye
 * Beth White
 * The George White Girls

1932 (Music Hall Varieties)

 * Lili Damita
 * Bert Lahr
 * Harry Richman
 * Eleanor Powell
 * The Dancing Beauties (including Barbara Pepper)

1934 (film)

 * Rudy Vallée
 * Jimmy Durante
 * Ketti Gallian
 * Alice Faye
 * Cliff Edwards
 * Dixie Dunbar
 * Gertrude Michael

1935 (film)

 * Alice Faye
 * James Dunn
 * Cliff Edwards
 * Eleanor Powell
 * Lyda Roberti
 * Ned Sparks
 * Dixie Dunbar

1936

 * Cliff Edwards
 * Bert Lahr
 * Rudy Vallée
 * Willie and Eugene Howard
 * The George White Girls

1939

 * Ben Blue
 * Ella Logan
 * The Kim Loo Sisters
 * Ann Miller
 * Harry Stockwell
 * The Three Stooges
 * The George White Girls (including Marie McDonald)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Resolving Who Owns Money

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The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3 talk 11:33, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Resolving Who Owns Money
perilously close to speedy as patent nonsense Ben-w 22:51, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NOR. -Satori 22:56, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete essay, doesn't fit patent nonsense definition. Gazpacho 01:10, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per Gazpacho, and bordering on Deep Thoughts. Haikupoet 02:03, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. OR. Not encyclopedic. Mmmbeer 00:59, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
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Anastatica

Anastatica is a monotypic genus of plants in the family Brassicaceae containing the single species Anastatica hierochuntica. The plant is a small gray annual herb that rarely grows above 15 cm high, and bears minute white flowers. It is a tumbleweed  capable of hygroscopic expansion and retraction. However, it is not a true resurrection plant, because the plant's dead tissues do not revive and turn green.

This species is not to be confused with Selaginella lepidophylla, also sometimes referred to as "rose of Jericho", or "false rose of Jericho", which is a true resurrection plant that can revive from a dried state and regain the processes of respiration and photosynthesis.

Names
Common names include Maryam's flower, flower of St Mary, St. Mary's flower, Mary's flower, white mustard flower and rose of Jericho.

Range
Anastatica is found in arid areas in the Middle East and the Sahara Desert, including parts of North Africa and regions of Iran, Egypt, Lebanon, Israel, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Pakistan and India.

Description
A plant with great resistance to desiccation, its branches have the property of contracting with dryness, remaining closed and dry for many years, reopening with moisture or contact with water, regaining all its freshness and beauty. After the rainy season, the plant dries up, dropping leaves and curling branches into a tight ball, and aestivates. Within the ball, the fruits remain attached and closed, protecting the seeds and preventing them from being dispersed prematurely. The seeds are very hardy and can remain dormant for years. Moistened again in a later rainy season, the ball uncurls and the plant wakes up from its dormant state, which causes the capsular fruits to open to disperse the seeds. If water is sufficient, the dispersed seeds germinate within hours. After it curls, it is easy for the wind itself to lift and drag it large distances, making them obligatory travellers through steppes and deserts crossing the borders of various countries in Asia and disseminating their seeds for all of them.

A fraction of the seeds are dispersed in the vicinity of the parent plant by raindrops hitting a spoon-like appendix on the seeds. The seeds have a sticky coat that helps them adhere to the soil, but they also may be carried downstream by surface wash. However, seeds swept downstream do not survive.

The process of curling and uncurling is completely reversible and can be repeated many times. The ability of the plant to do this is attributed to the presence of trehalose, a disaccharide sugar involved in several mechanisms of cryptobiosis. Although the rehydrated plant sometimes is described as putting out new leaves, flowers, and fruits, this is disputed; instead, the seeds may sometimes germinate and sprout new plants while still seated in the fruit on the dead parent plant.

Anastatica has been described as the most famous tumbleweed. Once dry, the ball is said to become detached and is dispersed by wind. This tumbleweed habit has been interpreted as a mechanism of avoiding burial in dunes. However, Anastatica may possess this habit only in the literature, or tumble only rarely, if uprooted by accident.

Culture
Since ancient times it was used as an element to guess the climate, since being a vegetable hygrometer, the wise man or shaman, predicted it with success. In dry weather the plant remains completely closed; in wet weather, it opens slowly; if it threatens rain, it opens in a very showy way and with more or less speed according to the proximity of discharge of the clouds.

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Talk:Kevin Smith (disambiguation)

See Talk:Kevin Smith for discussion about this page. Alan Liefting 22:51, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

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User:Cedric.graebin

Here to help with entries about Chemistry, specially Organic and Medicinal Chemistry.

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User talk:Follicle

Brian "Follicle" Fowler mandolinist,guitarist bassist and songwriter member of San Francisco Blue,Superczar,Jones Ave. and Spaceseed Brian has recorded with Hawkwind's Harvey Bainbridge and Spaceseed. Brian's myspace is http://www.myspace.com/brianfowlermusic

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Good Ass Job

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The result of the debate was delete. Eugene van der Pijll 16:54, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Good Ass Job
See discussion of Graduation (album) above FuriousFreddy 22:52, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete:Depending on your perspective, either better or worse than a Good boob job. WP:NOT a crystal ball. Wikibofh 00:12, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - unless a reliable source for all information is listed. gren グレン 20:09, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I just posted links to recent news articles from MTV that support the information on the main page. Kanye West himself revealed the titles for his next two albums at a press listening session. He also told those in attendence a tentative release date of October 2006 for his next album. 8:32, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete To be fair, who gets this information? Is this Kanye West, an official Wiki. If you want to keep Good A** Job, then cop some information. LILVOKA 13:44, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Graduation (album)

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The result of the debate was keep.- Mailer Diablo 16:54, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Graduation (album)
Article for planned third album by Kanye West. Meanwhile, his second hasn't even been released yet, and it's stands to reason that not a single note has been recorded for this album, or the planned follow up Good Ass Job (see that VfD discussion below) Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. FuriousFreddy 22:52, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Without documentation from a reliable source they've started, not a crystal ball. Wikibofh 00:13, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep It has become his trademark lately: knowing the titles of his future albums. If the seventh Harry Potter book gets its own article, Graduations deserves its own as well. Acetic Acid 07:17, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * In all honesty, the seventh Harry Potter book shouldn't have its own article until about a few months before its release (they're up to only seven now? I don't follow them; thought there were more). --FuriousFreddy 11:09, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I just posted links to recent news articles from MTV that support the information on the main page. Kanye West himself revealed the titles for his next two albums at a press listening session. He also told those in attendence a tentative release date of October 2006 for his next album. 8:32, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep There is a set release date for the album and the title is final, therefore this article should be kept as it does not break any Wikipedia rules. --Scottf9 13:14, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Only if there is some possible information necessary to report The Graduation as an official title. LILVOKA 13:33, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Samp

Samp is a food made from dried corn kernels that have been pounded and chopped until broken, but not as finely ground as mealie-meal or mielie rice. The coating around the kernel loosens and is removed during the pounding and stamping process. It is eaten across South Africa and by the Lozi and Tonga people of Zambia with sugar and sour milk. It can also be served with gravy and various additives. It is cooked with beans in the Xhosa variant of umngqusho and sometimes eaten with chakalaka. It can also be served with beef, lamb, poultry and in stuffings.

"Samp" is of Native American origin, coming from the Narragansett word "nasàump." New Englanders since early colonial times have referred to cornmeal mush or cereal as "samp."

Like hominy, samp is prepared from groats (dehulled kernels) of maize, but the two are produced by different processes.

Unbroken and unhusked maize (corn) kernels can also be cooked (boiled) until tender. This food is called "stampmielies" in Afrikaans. Samp is often served with beans, as in "samp and beans".

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