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Talk:Trainz

bro what version is latest of tarinz simulator

Okay, this article needs to get into shape
While I'm a fan of Trainz as well, the past several major edits to this article violate Wikipedia's contents and standards guidelines to a big degree. Fabartus, almost every single addition you made I had to cut in order to clean-up the article - and it amounted to several entire pages full of bloated advertising-like details. In two instances you added yourself as the citation to a huge tract of information - this should never be done.

There is still more work to be done on this article.

All Wikipedia editors should be familiar with the following articles about what Wikipedia is about, and what articles should be written like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_development http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style TheWizardOfAhz (talk) 17:13, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Fabartus: Wholesale reverting of my careful edits accomplishes nothing to help improve this article. As I stated in the above, and gave links to help out, the content that you have added violates Neutral Point of View, and nearly all of it is your personal opinion, and unsourced. Please read the above documents that show how to properly develop and article, and we can discuss this.TheWizardOfAhz (talk) 23:12, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Fabartus: please do not vandalize this talk page by deleting all of its contents. There is currently no reason to archive this, and that is not how archiving is done. TheWizardOfAhz (talk) 14:53, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

You also seem to still, despite my best intentions, not seem to grasp what Wikipedia is about. Wikipedia is not the place for your own personal research and opinions. It does not matter that you have been using Trainz since whatever version - we will not just accept that this places you into a role of authority and knowledge.

Also, your edits are heavy advertising for Trainz. This article should just be a nice, tight description of what Trainz is - as a simple product. It should not extoll the supposed virtues of how Trainz has numerous free add-ons, nor how supposedly great it is as a simulator, etc. It should be objective and unbiased.

For example, take the edit you made below: "Trainz 2004 is still very popular with a large segment of the Trainz user community and large non-Auran user communities such as the 2,500 plus membered Trainzproroutes.org have continually produced high quality payware and freeware for the Trainz community and host their own downloading library. Similar other large sub-group communities exist in the Trainz world, primarily because a separate web board system allows interference free private conferencing about large co-operative projects. Few routes in Trainz are the work of any one person."

This is advertising. This is extolling the long-lasting virtues of how good the product is in the minds of third-party community sites, and then promotes Trainzproroutes.org. None of this is acceptable, nor even desirable, in an encyclopedia article. The Encyclopedia Britannica would never allow such material, nor will we here at Wikipedia - our standards are just as high.

You are not, even if you say you are, not held to these standards. This is not your own personal article to stuff beyond its limits with what amounts to linguistic cruft. There is zero need to give endless details about each and every version number, small iteration, or third-party link. There is no need to give sprawling details about every key in the user interface.

While you have stated that you personally disagree with these standards, I will defend them.TheWizardOfAhz (talk) 16:12, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Summary of major content removal that I did: The large section about the 'camera' system just seems huge to me. I mean, basically there are 4 main views within the simulator, activated via keys 1-4, but this section gives two entire screens full of minute detail about how these four views work. I cannot personally judge if this section should be re-added, but in a far tighter summary, or not.TheWizardOfAhz (talk) 15:38, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

I've finished the best clean up that I can personally manage. Somebody else want to have a crack at it? TheWizardOfAhz (talk) 17:12, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

The previous issues with this article shouldn't be allowed to creep back in.

Specifically, when adding information to an article, please keep the following Wikipedia guidlines in mind: Wikis are NEVER to be used as a source for anything. Wikis are considered a 'questionable and self-published' source, according to Wikipedia:Reliable_sources. This has been a repeatedly ignored policy on this article, specifically the adding of the external Trains wiki.

Also, almost all of the recent edits made fall under the category of puffery (see: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch). This article, like every other article on Wikipedia, should be of an appropriate length; be precise and explicit; and clear (plain, clear prose). See Wikipedia:The_perfect_article for a nice summary.TheWizardOfAhz (talk) 15:06, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

issue
I belive this is written like an advertisement:

 * Alright it is gone now IluvSD40s (talk) 04:56, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Trainz Packages
These are stand-alone programs and can also be added to Trainz Simulator 2009. This means that you will not be required to have Trainz Simulator 2009 to use this product, although if you do, it will give you the added bonus of accessing the content in surveyor.

 * Trainz Simulator: Classic Cabon City is the newest and most powerful featured add-on for Trainz Classics ever. The wide range of details spread out around a 10qkm area is based upon our new Trainz technology introduced with TC3 and TS2009. Classic Cabon City will redefine the cityscape routes for Trainz and will hit the top list as a "must have" item for rail and Trainz enthusiasts.

 * Trainz Simulator: Settle and Carlisle, one of the most famous and scenic British main lines at the time of the transition from steam to diesel power. With 10 different types of locomotives and dozens of rolling stock items at your disposal you decide what train to drive. Sessions featuring Anglo-Scottish expresses, local stopping trains, fast freights, heavy mineral, slow pickup goods or trip workings offer a rich variety of services for your enjoyment. The 87 mile route from Skipton to Carlisle over the wild and remote Pennine moors will test your driving skills and ability to keep to schedule. Prototypical topography, track plans, gradients, stations, signal boxes and signal placement, viaducts and tunnels will complete your experience. With 'Trainz Simulator: Settle and Carlisle' you will almost believe that you are there.

 * Trainz Simulator: Murchison 2 is a merging of the original Narrow Gauge Murchison logging layout with an extensive Standard Gauge rail network. By incorporating landscape based on actual New Zealand electronic map data with specially developed Nature Series sets (animated waterfalls, river splines, textures, cliff splines, rail ledge splines, rock splines), Murchison 2 takes Trainz to a new level of realism. The result is a photorealistic colonial layout, set in the steam/diesel transition era, that users can submerge themselves in for a complete interactive rail experience.

IluvSD40s (talk) 05:42, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I just deleted it. In my opinion its not even worth saving. Any objections? In my opion its relatively unimportant to prioritize that until the rest of the article is at average quality. Mjosefsson (talk) 20:42, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Small update. I think i was a little over ambitious, but I also noticed that the text has been copied straight of the website. Mjosefsson (talk) 09:00, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

advertisng??
who's been writing in all this advertising? It's got to go.

Trainz is just a "wordprocessor" to build imaginative and creative worlds There is not that much in the box, could it then be said that a text file is an advert for Microsoft
 * I meant opinionated comments in the article in the article -- read point of view -- so for example, something I deleted earlier said "Trainz Railroad Simulator 2004 (known as TRS among users) is an:
 * incredibly immersivegame for creating, driving on, and operating a railroad"
 * Incredibly immersive is Point of View -- not everyone will think the game is 'incredibly immersive' tommylommykins 09:39, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * I can't believe the guy who said this is advertising. GCFreak2 aka Callum027 07:50, January 1, 2007 (UTC)

Surveyor section
1) removed This module of the game is appreciated for its simplicity. as it is not NPOV

2) added  Here, the user can shape and 'paint' the landscape, lay tracks, and place buildings, scenery and trains., a description of what Surveyor actually is.

3) removed  Items included with the boxed game are not the only items available for use in the game; Auran offers a download station (or DLS) which hosts over 10000 custom built objects, including decor elements as well as drivable trains. as advertising. Mention of third party content is added below.

4) general grammar and tidy up.

Driver section
1) added a reference to explain the link between Surveyor and Driver (bearing in mind that this is descriptive of all versions of Trainz).

2) general grammar and tidy up.

Scenarios section
1) removed Scenarios are being replaced by the more popular session concept which requires less scripting and can be created in 'Surveyor' rather than having to be fully scripted from a third party application. because

a) it's disputable. Scenarios still exist in the game (as a discrete module, and it is the module which is being described here).

b) it's confusing, and I don't imagine it conveys much meaning to anyone not already familiar with TRS.

Additional features section
1)removed the header, as most of that described were not 'Additional features' of the game.

2)removed the paintshed section - with hindsight, I guess a description of paintshed should be readded, and I will do so. added a new para on Paintshed.
 * As a matter of accuracy I had mentioned that Paintshed was a full software at one time, that ought to figure in the main article (as a seperate article for Paintshed would be unappropriate). Captain scarlet 14:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

3)removed Trainz Discussion Forum, as pretty much all games have a discussion forum and it's not a notable feature. A link to the forums is at the bottom of the article.

4)removed Language Beta Translation Group - there were translations which were created, but subsequently not used? What relevence has that to anything?  If anything, it sounds like a subtle POV - a complaint from a member of the LBTG that their work was not used, perhaps?

5)removed Content Creation Group, for similar reasons as the LBTG. It's confusing to someone who doesn't already know what it is, for one thing.  also, an additional reference to third party content has been added, see below.

6) removed Trainz on the Road - certainly an interesting phenomenon but it doesn't really say much about Trainz itself. Auran rewarded demonstrators with premium access to its DLS facilities. sounds a bit funny.  Advertising?
 * This was an attempt at showing the involvement of the game's editor at a personnal level. Captain scarlet 14:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

History section
Generally tidied up and made more readable.

Other changes
removed the little box graphics - they don't mean anything to anyone who doesn't know what they already are, they don't add anything to the article, they look untidy and they are inconsistent (there is no icon for scenarios, for example).
 * No icon for scenario was added as there is none. Captain scarlet 14:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

added ''Trainz also has a large content creation community, who use modelling software such as Gmax to create additional scenery and rolling stock models for use in the game. The more recent versions of Trainz include a lot of third-party content, and registered owners of the game can download (and upload) third party content via the Trainz website.'' as a NPOV description of the third party community. Captain scarlet has incorporated this para into his latest edits so I guess it's acceptable.

What do you think of the current version? I have incorporated sections from both "versions", including the information on the LBTG and CCG (under what I think is a more suitable heading of "Community Involvement"). FiggyBee 14:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * All good ! Thanks. Captain scarlet 14:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Linux and Mac availability
In the infobox, supported platforms are Windows, Linux and Mac. However, in the text body, it says that Linux and Mac are experimental/yet to be released. If this is the case, should the infobox really include these? Hertzsprung 16:59, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Bugs discussion
Wouldn't it be appropriate to mention some of the most major and persistent bugs of the game somewhere?

Just as a sole example (I don't want to edit the main page before asking here) the "driver AI" still doesn't work, even after all these versions, patches and service packs; meaning that the pathfinding makes severe errors, the drivers ignore signals and direction markers, and that blocked trains will "lose their patience" and end up dead-locking each other or become coupled to each other (effectively destroying one driver and his orders) 213.112.249.111 17:30, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't know how other articles about software manage it, but such information seems appropriate to me as a form of "criticisms" section. The only issue I'd have is that it should be presented in a neutral manner.  I've run into the path problems you mentioned when using one of the prepackaged scenarios; yeah, it gets annoying, but this is still one of the very few programs where I've purchased every upgrade that has been released.  Slambo (Speak)  18:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Slambo. Btw, I agree with your assessment - this would not be nearly as frustrating if the software wasn't so excellent otherwise... ;-/ 213.112.249.111 15:43, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

External links discussion
Should the external links include the major non-profit usergroups/fansites for Trainz, such as Trainz Pro Routes and the Razorback Railway? I put in a link to Virtual Railroader's Train Sim Webfinder http://www.virtualrailroader.com/HTML_Version/WebFinder.htm (a huge list of links to trainsim sites for all the major programs) but it got zapped for being regarded as advertising.Unsigned comment was added by John259, 10:14, 17 November 2006 GMT
 * Fansites do not constitute what is deemed appropriate as external links. this is an encyclopedia, not an advertising service, external link exist only to provide sources to an article. Reference notes are added to source particular statements. Whether websites are non-for-profit or commercial websites, fansites are not appropriate for inclusion. The only non-official and personnal website link left is kept as it is a source of impartial and verifiable information for the article's substance. Content or download download websites do not. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 11:06, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Notes about the forum up/down status
I've removed the comments in the External links section about the official forum's up/down status. This information isn't really encyclopedic. Yes, there have been problems with Auran's forum upgrade, but WP:NOT a status monitor for other websites. Slambo (Speak) 18:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Trainz Driver Edition
Captain Scarlet: Trainz Driver Edition is NOT just a regional edition. As the review that I linked to clearly explains, TDE is a special cut-down version sold in the USA at a low price and is totally different to the regional editions. It is therefore my opinion that the following entry should be restored please:
 * Trainz Driver Edition (TDE) is a cut-down version of TRS2006 sold in the USA. A full review is available on V-Scaler. John259 17:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * If it is sold in one country only, it is a regional version, the spanish version, translated into spanish and sold in spain only (different publishers for Latin America) also make it a regional version... It's in the name: TDE is a special cut-down version sold in the USA. And when you sourc,e don't use some guy's website, that's advertising, try looking for the publisher's. Basically, there is no need to elaborate on a particular local version or the list, currently incomplete, would become a directory, which Wikipedia is not. Also if I put Trainz 2007 IS sold here, there and there it's because it's been checked, don't go changing it to may be if I made a point to add it, you did ask for a fact check!. Further more, the sim isn't sold solely in the Francophone region of the countries but IN the countries, it also not a local version but a step above previous versions. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 19:48, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Captain - Thanks for making the changes, what you now have seems a very reasonable compromise to me.John259 20:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it does indeed. cheers, Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 21:43, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

ALL WRONG!
I fixed two completely incorrect things here: scenarios are availible in Ultimate Trainz Collection and up! TRS2006 does have scenarios accessable from the Driver module. I know because I have TRS2006 myself. And, TRS2004 had "scenario-like" sessions, not just TRS2006 and Trainz Driver Edition. Moojgoo 23:46, 27 January 2007 (UTC)Moojgoo

Merging Trainz Railroad Simulator 2006
Hi,

I don't think there's much in the TRS 2006 article that isn't also in this one, so I'm suggesting it be merged in. As each version of Trainz is little more than an update of it's predecessor, I think having seperate articles for each incarnation would be overkill, as most of the info about gameplay, etc, would be duplicated. Far better to have it all in one place, so the article can discuss the differences rather than repeat the similarites.

BTW, this is similar to, say, the article on Railroad Tycoon, which covers the whole series (and I'd say RRT -> RRT3 is a much bigger jump than Trainz CE -> TRS2006). FiggyBee 04:29, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 08:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Good idea. I suggest retaining TRS2006 but purely as a redirect to Trainz. John259.
 * Support the merge--GCFreak2 03:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Big Big BIG Support Well, what are we waiting for? Fragmented articles puts to much junk on Wikipedia! [ |Retro00064 | (talk/contribs) | ] 04:53, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, there doesn't seem to be much talk about this, and the TRS2006 article is absolute duplicate worthless junk anyway, so I'm merging it now, same as I did with the TS2009 article. [ |Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs| ] 18:44, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Scenarios deprecated (replaced by sessions)?
I don't see much emphasis on scenarios in the current release of Trainz 2006; only a handful are included, and there is no documentation telling you how to create your own. Far more emphasis is placed on sessions.

Would it be correct to state that Auran want route creators to concentrate on sessions, and that scenario support is only included for backwards compatibility with earlier versions of Trainz? 217.155.20.163 22:21, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes I think that is basically correct. Be aware that this has been a highly controversial subject in the Trainz community, as has TRS2006 generally. It is possible to create activities which run as scenarios in TRS2004 and as driver sessions which appear to be as close as possible to scenarios in TRS2006. The Razorback Railway does this. In addition, Trainz Pro Routes have a version of their Scenario Creation System (SCS) program for TRS2006. I'm not sure whether any of this information should go in the article, probably not.John259 06:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Mac Trainz
May I ask, who said this?

"A version for Mac OS X is in the testing phase as of April 2006. Auran recently told one of the Trainz community members that development on the Mac version has been suspended and will not be released."

The truth to that fact is that no one is allowed to comment on that sort of thing as all of us on the beta team are under a strict NDA, which needs to be ahered to at all times.

Therefore, the statement is nor correct or incorrect and I recommend it is removed until AURAN confirm whichever case it is.

WessexElectricNut 18:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Look at the article history... Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 06:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

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What's with the redirects?
What's with the redirects to this article? I mean, like TRS2004, TRS2006, Trainz Railroad Simulator 2006? It's absolutely ridiculous! I can see evidence that some time ago the Trainz articles were fragmented. Ouch! (well, that's already taken care of.) But now there's redirects left over and redundant links in articles, say, Auran. Why not delete all these redundant redirects then go and clean up those articles that link here! [ |Retro00064 | (talk/contribs) | ] 04:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

afd
please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains if you have some interest in this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carrolljon (talk • contribs) 22:51, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Why the Infobox image shouldn't be deleted
Captain Scarlet's image used in the infobox on this article does have source information. the image page says it's author's name is Gregory. Captain Scarlet's name is Gregory, as proved by the above disscusion, please look in Talk:Trainz at the comments, you will see where User:FiggyBee calls him "Greg", and Captain Scarlet says not to call users by their real name. I don't even like using his real name here but it's the proof needed to save the image. If you need more proof, ask Captain Scarlet himself on his talk page (don't expect him to get back right away, his last contrib was on April 1). [ |Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs| ] 05:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

 * In addition to the above, here is the missing source website at the WayBack Machine. Note the link that says "Gregsworld". Since Captain Scarlet's name is Greg then that must have been his website and so that's all the proof you need to see this image has a source and shouldn't be deleted. [ |Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs| ] 05:13, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Is this user actually related to the game's developer, Auran, or is he just the person who took the screenshot? Merely taking a screenshot of a commercial product does not give someone rights to that image; if the image has truly been released as free-use, then proof should be provided from Auran, whom are the copyright holders of the product. For now, as this is potentially a non-free image, the image should not be used on any articles for the sake of risking infringement from the copyright holder. If the image hasn't been released as free-use, then a fair-use rationale should be provided to justify its use on Wikipedia. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 14:46, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Captain Scarlet is a Trainz community member, but is not affiliated with Auran. The image page should therefore use Non-free software screenshot as the license and also provide a fair-use rationale, which I can add pretty easily. [ |Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs| ] 02:41, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, good; that should suffice. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 15:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * All ✅. [ |Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs| ] 10:35, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Trains WikiProject?
I know this is essentially a video game, but I was wondering if this could be included in the Trains WikiProject? Seeing how a lot of people who play the various Trainz Railroad Simulator and the Microsoft Trains Simulator are either railroad employees and/or Railfans, I thought it might serve as, if nothing else, an interesting reference within the project. Thoughts? Comments? Snide remarks? Erzahler (talk) 20:20, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Complete Replan
I have seen this article a number of times, and in my opinion it is quite confusing and in need of a remake. Does anybody have a problem with me changing the order of the topics, along with a few other things? Looking at Microsoft Flight Simulator X, it has a neat layout and order. Maybe we should make new sections for the new versions, and a section for the older ones. Hardware and community is less important than versions in my opinion. Any more views on this? Mjosefsson (talk) 12:20, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

IMHO go for it, it does indeed need a damn good sort out. At the same time all that stupid nonsense about the plural of scenario not being scenarios needs to be deleted from this page. That's just my 2c worth though, what do other people think? John259 (talk) 12:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I've deleted the scenarii rubbish from this page John259 (talk) 18:34, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

 * Ugh, what a mess! Last time I edited this article a good amount, from what I remember, I had helped clean it up nicely. But now it has turned into a huge mess. Advertising (aka 'Overview' section), lots of grammatical errors, versions all mixed up in places. It's just overwhelming! Please, if your going to edit this page, then please look up Wikipedia's policies and read them thoroughly before changing anything on this article. For example, don't go saying how great the game is, as that's advertising. Try to maintain a neutral point of view with everything you put into the article. [ |Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs| ] 01:23, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I've had a good go at adding citations, but where is the criticism section? As per WP:NPOV all sides of the reception should be taken into account. --Marianian(talk) 21:59, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You are right that there should be more NPOV, but I think its hard to make a specific section on it. I instead think that we quite simply have more complete when writing, highlighting stuff like 'the version was released a month later than planned' and so on. Mjosefsson (talk) 08:56, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Recent Vandalism
Please note that pretty much all of the edits done by the users on the 92.* submask since 2 June 2010 are incorrect and are using a subtle form of vandalism whereby they make small incremental changes hoping that noone notices that they're introducing lies and distortions. Pretty much all of these edits need to be reverted back to Plastikspork's edit. 87.194.151.6 (talk) 19:14, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup/rewrite of the article
I think that this article has needed cleanup for some time now, but I have finally gotten around to working on it. Here is a link to the diff, and below are some details on what I have done:

 * Cleaned up the introduction from the mess that it was before, and also cleaned up the infobox, including changing the infobox from Infobox VG to Infobox video game series. See the diff. I still need to upload some Trainz box art to use in the infobox in place of the screenshot; I will move the screenshot to the article somewhere, perhaps the new "Overview" section.
 * Nuked the "Overview" section, as it was really pretty much nothing more than a personal essay that read like an advertisement (not to mention the poor grammar), and made the "Concept" section the new "Overview" section, which is really a better name to summarize what the section contains, in my opinion. I also removed the "In-game modules" section heading from much of the text of this section. Maybe I should do likewise for the "External modules" section heading, or maybe I should add back the "In-game modules" section; that is something to think about. The content of these sections was also cleaned up.
 * "Version History" section: Titles of the sub-sections of this section have been made italic where appropriate, and section contents have been cleaned up.
 * What was mentioned in the "Regional versions" section is now mentioned in better places in the article: The mention of TS2010 being released as Trainz Railroader 2010: Engineers Edition is now in the section for TS2010, where it belongs, and the information on Trainz Driver has been put in a new sub-section of the section for TRS2006.
 * The information on the add-on packs for TS2009 has been put in a sub-section of the section for TS2009. This information has been cleaned up some, including changing the descriptions for a couple of the add-on packs that mostly sounded like advertising and were worded as if they had been made by the makers of the add-on routes (and they may very well had been).
 * The sections for Trainz Community Edition and Trainz Retail Edition have been made sub-sections of the Trainz section. I do not think that I did much cleanup (if any) on the contents of these, so that still needs to be done.
 * The section for Trainz Railroad Simulator 2007 has been made a sub-section of the section for TRS2006.
 * The external link for the Trainz official website has been changed from http://www.auran.com/trainz/ (which is from the days before TRS2004) to what appears to be the current website, http://www.trainzportal.com/.

The article still needs work, and references need to be added and removed as needed also (the article seems to be sparse on sources), but I believe that this cleanup that I have done is a big improvement over the previous messy version. After the work I did on this, etc., I think that a break is due from working on it right now. :-)

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Support droped
Free downloads are not longer allowed on 2006 and 1009 versions. The download center is not paid only. This should be noted that download support will now only be for a few years after the produt is released. And that authors can no longer rely on the download center to distribute modified items. Sattmaster (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:27, 11 August 2011 (UTC).
 * Mentioning that "authors can no longer rely on the download center [Download Station] to distribute modified items" sounds not like a neutral point of view, but rather like a personal opinion that I bet a number of Trainz community members would argue against. Kind regards, {|Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs|} 21:24, 11 August 2011 (UTC).

Purposed heading on Trainz-12
"Decline: Shortly after the release of Trainz 12, there has been a number of Criticisms and unfavorable reviews for Trainz 12. Among the criticism was the dropped support for older generation DLC, some DLC download problems (even with newer generation content), some poor graphic scenery found in game, problems with in game missions, and others. One reviewer even recommend other sims like Microsoft train simulator, and Railworks 3.[1 ]"

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76.0.99.63 (talk) 15:13, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Not really sure that this belongs in the article. Reviews on Amazon are hardly notable - and at worst are wildly inaccurate - and this doesn't really add anything to the article itself. The article should just be describing what Trainz is, not people's reviews of it.TheWizardOfAhz (talk) 02:03, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with TheWizardOfAhz, both in cautioning against Amazon reviews specifically and that such reviews of releases don't belong in the article. I don't think there are any yet, so why start now? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:40, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

 * OK thanks anyway. BTW, If any good content comes up about the decline, Please add something. If you look at the Need For Speed series article, you can find info about its decline. And sorry about the Amazon thing, I thought it would be fine. Again, if any good content comes up regarding this subject, please add it, and thanks anyway. 76.0.99.63 (talk) 01:11, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

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Jim McQueen is an American freelance sports illustrator. A photo-realist, McQueen has illustrated over 50 books and written syndicated columns for the likes of Jack Nicklaus, Billy Casper, Dave Hill and Stan Smith. In addition, Jim served as the senior illustrator for Golf Digest for 30 years, Golf Magazine for 10 years, Tennis Magazine for 13 years and The Majors of Golf magazine for 8 years.

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Vilcabamba, Ecuador

Vilcabamba is a village in the southern region of Ecuador, in Loja Province, about 45 km from the city of Loja. The name ‘Vilcabamba’ apparently derives from the Quichua ‘huilco pamba’. Huilco denotes the sacred trees, Anadenanthera colubrina, that grow in the region; pamba (cognate with pampa) means ‘plain’.The area has been referred to as the ‘Playground of the Inca’, which refers to its historic use as a retreat for Incan royalty. The valley is overlooked by a mountain called Mandango, the Sleeping Inca, which is said to protect the area from earthquakes and other natural disasters.

Reputation
Located in a historical and scenic valley, it is a common destination for tourists, in part because it is widely believed that its inhabitants live to a very old age. Locals assert that it is not uncommon to see a person reach 100 years of age and it is claimed that many have lived to 120 and even to 135, which would make it an area with the oldest inhabitants in the world. It is often called the Valley of Longevity.

In 1973 Dr Alexander Leaf of Harvard Medical School introduced these people to the world in his cover story for National Geographic Magazine.

Skepticism of claims
According to The Bewildering History of the History of Longevity by Peter Laslett, ‘geographical variation in the incidence of long life is no doubt a reality but better general survival does not demonstrably raise the probability of extreme ages and systematic, sceptical analysis of these confidently asserted propositions has condemned them as entirely baseless.’

Longevity in Vilcabamba has been attributed to nothing more special than the benefits of exercise, a healthy diet and good treatment of the elderly by the community. Longevity of the residents has also been attributed to a result of migration of younger people to cities.

Age exaggeration
Even as Vilcabamba's international fame grew, scientists continued to investigate the secret of the villagers' longevity, but some were beginning to grow skeptical. In particular, Dr Alexander Leaf, the Harvard Medical School researcher who had been among the first to conduct research in Vilcabamba, was having doubts. His suspicions were aroused when he realized that the villagers were inconsistent in their self-reported ages. For instance, in 1971 he had met a man who reported his age as 122. When Leaf returned three years later, that same man claimed to be 134 years old.

Leaf then persuaded Dr Richard Mazess of the University of Wisconsin Madison and Dr. Sylvia Forman of the University of California Berkeley to help determine the correct ages of Vilcabamba's elderly population. They reached the conclusion that there was not a single centenarian living in Vilcabamba. The oldest person in the village was found to be 96 years old. The average age of those claiming to be over 100 years was actually 86 years. The researchers presented these results on February 27, 1978, at a workshop at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Md.

Far from being the 'Valley of Longevity,' the researchers concluded that "Individual longevity in Vilcabamba is little, if any, different from that found throughout the rest of the world." Further, they reported that "Life expectancy (corrected for exaggeration) at all ages in Vilcabamba (and Loja) is, in fact, less than in the U.S."

Sources of error
Mazess and Forman identified two sources of error. First, the villagers systematically exaggerated their ages and the older they grew the greater their exaggerations became. Mazess and Forman provided the example of Miguel Carpio Mendieta (MCM):

Apparently MCM did not begin exaggerating his age until later in life. When he was 61 in 1944 he reported an age of "70". Five years later he was reputedly "80". In 1970, at age 87, he was reputedly "121" and in 1974, at 91, he was "127".

The researchers speculated that the villagers had originally exaggerated their ages in order to gain prestige in the community. This practice appeared to have been occurring for generations, long before academic researchers had arrived in the village. Additionally Dr. Leaf speculated that the international publicity, and subsequent rise in tourism, may have encouraged the villagers' exaggerations to grow more prolific.

The second source of error was the widespread use of identical names in the small community. This had initially confused researchers who had studied the baptismal and birth records. The birth-date of an identically named uncle or father would appear to confirm the extreme longevity of a resident. By asking the Vilcabambans for the names of their godparents, the researchers were able to identify the correct records for each resident.

It turned out that Vilcabamba did actually have a higher-than-normal percentage of elderly people, but that this was caused by migration patterns: Young people tended to move out of the area, while the elderly moved in.

Assessment
Although the Vilcabambans did not enjoy greater longevity than the rest of the world, researchers noted that the Vilcabamban lifestyle, which included hard work in a high altitude combined with a low-calorie, low-animal-fat diet, did seem to keep the villagers healthy and vigorous in their old age.

Deposed Traditional Monarchy

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I don't think Lake of the Isles is connected to Lake Harriet. There's a causeway that connects it to Lake Calhoun, and another causeway that connects it to Cedar Lake, but Harriet and Calhoun aren't connected. I'll have to check on this. --Elkman 20:35, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

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Our Lawyers Made Us Change the Name of This Song So We Wouldn't Get Sued
What was the original name of this song. There seems to be an edit war going on between "My Name Is David Ruffin and These are The Temptations" and "I Liked You Better Before You Were an F****** MySpace Whore". Which is it? One of them's got to be vandalism. I have no clue. —Akrabbim 21:52, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I have an album demo where the name of the song is the myspace whore one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.201.134.213 (talk • contribs).

 * I believe "I Liked You Better Before You Were a F*cking MySpace Whore" is actually a different song. Before headlining the Nintendo Fusion Tour, Fall Out Boy let fans vote for what songs the band would play on their website, and "Our Lawyers Made Us Change the Name of This Song So We Wouldn't Get Sued" and "I Liked You Better Before You Were a F*cking MySpace Whore" were listed seperately.  "My Name Is David Ruffin and These are The Temptations" seems more likely, as it was not listed among the other songs, and it seems more likely that this song title would have to be altered for legal reasons. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.131.93.104 (talk • contribs).
 * Personally, I would believe the demo, if its true. Could be that they just used the rejected name for a new upcoming song (it's proposed for their next album).  Unfortunately, it's an anon, so we can't confirm it.  Crap, you're an anon too.  Man, we need verifiability.  I suppose we would have to ask FOB personally… Akrabbimtalk 02:44, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

 * This is most likely the origin of this rumor: http://www.pastebin.ca/697965 read carefully... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.179.98.197 (talk) 21:16, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

If you listen to the lyrical content of the song it's clearly a song about myspace. Plus, fellow (at the time) Fueled By Ramen band Kane Hodder had a song on their album entitled "Too Much Eddie Kendricks, Not Enough David Ruffin". However, to my understanding, the original title of the song was actually "I Liked You Just Fine Until I Saw You Naked On Myspace" Miikro (talk) 16:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

nope, its already been confirmed that its about "My Name is David Ruffin and these are the temptations", browse around in one of the sources of Fall Out Boy in wiki, it features an interview of Pete Wentz talking about it and the lyrical content is about megalomaniacs and publicity seekers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.2.109.74 (talk) 10:43, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Additional album cover
I tried to put the Black Clouds and Underdogs cover in the infobox (it worked in my sandbox), but nothing is showing up. The idea was to put a "misc = " at the end of the infobox, and then put this template: }} // Close the infobox This is supposed to do what is done on The Offspring (album) page, but it won't work for some reason. What am I doing wrong? —Akrabbimtalk 15:46, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I have a UK version of the Black Clouds and Underdogs release and it has a cover different to both of those that are shown on the page. Anyone have any idea why? 86.16.124.34 (talk) 22:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

The Music Or The Misery- Track 14
Shouldn't this be mentioned on the tracklisting? It IS an official track.
 * This track is already listed as track 15 on the Limited Edition as one of the extra tracks. Are you saying there is an alternate release of this album that has it as track 14, or did you not see it in the listing? --DJ Phaz3r 22:21, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

The Japanese version of the album has it as Track 14, after XO, as the final track of the album.

Champagne For My Real Friends - not a real quote?
From the article: 'The song "Champagne for my Real Friends, Real Pain for my Sham Friends" is taken from a quote by Sir Francis Drake who liked his Bacon.'

I can't find any citations for this. Is this a real fact, or is it made up? Wanderer 02:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

International realises
What about it? Russian: Universal Music Russia, 4-Sep-2006, #00602498421406 Wishera 00:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Tearcatcher?
in the limited edition of FUCT, it says inside the credits "Tearcatcher inspired by Wes Eishold", who is the lead singer of Some Girls, should this be put under Trivia? Geo June 22, 2007  1:37 AM EST

umm im confused
did they really release the album before they released a single? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.184.39.205 (talk) 03:21, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Soph(o)more Slump or Comeback of the Year
So, I'm having a bit of a dilemna. On both iTunes and Amazon, the title of the song includes the word "Sophmore", even though that is actually a misspelling, but on Wikipedia and practically every other user-created site related to the song, it's written as "Sophomore", as is technically correct. However, I could see how FOB would legitimately want to have misspelled it, so I'm curious as to whether or no the misspelling is actually meant to be there. If it is, then we need to revise the title of the song. I know it's somewhat arbitrary, but it's been bothering me. SkySapphire (talk) 18:59, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

 * The back of the CD case is about as good a source as you can get, and it clearly spells it "Sophomore".-Ally (talk) 22:28, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Post-Hardcore?
So? what can be used to describe this album aside from Pop-Punk? They have some heavy shit going on that does not fit the alternative rock and pop-punk genre, could they be counted in as Post-Hardcore or something?

 * Screamo. It's not post-hardcore, the style isn't nearly experimental enough. Its emo with screaming, hence, screamo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.181.28.18 (talk) 06:22, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not screamo nor post-hardcore. There's only screaming on two songs and one of those was only like one word. That's like saying The Black Parade by My Chemical Romance is screamo. Find a source if you want to add another genre. Supahshadow (talk) 22:12, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Professional Reviews and Year-end charts
The "Professional Reviews" section in the main infobox should be moved to the "Release and Reception" section.

Adding Year-end charts would be nice too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noreplyhaha (talk • contribs) 06:53, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

XO
Where is the actual evidence that this song title is an Elliott Smith reference? It makes sense, but it doesn't seem particularly factual at this point. 184.56.62.237 (talk) 22:36, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

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In an interview with Austin Scaggs from Rolling Stone Magazine Pete Wentz stated that "From Under the Cork Tree" is actually and acronym that not many people picked up on that was short for FUCT. Wentz told Scaggs "No, people do not pick up on it, ever. But it's amazing for radio. When we're on some radio show and they're being totally weird to us, we'll be like, "Go out and get FUCT!"" Kayglenn1 (talk) 22:22, 6 February 2017 (UTC)Kayla S. Glenn

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Fiat Barchetta

The Fiat Barchetta (Type 183) is a roadster produced by the Italian manufacturer Fiat from 1995 to 2005. Barchetta in Italian means "little boat", and also denotes a type of open-top sports car body style.

History
The Barchetta was developed between 1990 and 1994 under the project name Tipo B Spider 176. It was designed by Andreas Zapatinas and Alessandro Cavazza, under the supervision of Peter Barrett Davis and other car designers at the Centro Stile Fiat, and prototyping was carried out by Stola.

Production began in February 1995 and lasted until June 2005, with a brief pause, due to the bankruptcy of coachbuilder Maggiora. The Barchetta was based on the chassis of the Mark 1 Fiat Punto, but with shortened wheelbase. The Barchetta has a 1,747 cc DOHC, petrol four-cylinder engine fitted with variable valve timing.

The engine has 131 PS at 6,300 rpm and 164 Nm of torque at 4,300 rpm. The Barchetta weighs 1056 kg (2328 lb) without air conditioning and can accelerate to 100 km/h in 8.9 seconds and has a top speed of 200 km/h (124 mph).

It came in various trim levels which offered different features, for example, diamond cross stitch, patterned red leather instead of the standard black leather or fabric seats, alloy wheels instead of steel wheels, or fog-lights as an option. Arguably one of the biggest external cosmetic changes was made by the addition of the third brake light, first introduced by Fiat on the Lido and Riviera in 2000, and across the board thereafter.

The Barchetta was revised in August 2003 ahead of its relaunch the following year, with some alterations inside and out. The most notable changes were the revised front spoiler and rear bumper. Engine revision decreased torque to 158 Nm. Production of the car eventually stopped in June 2005.

Production
Car bodies were welded at ILCAS in Sparone Canavese, and final assembly was done in Chivasso by the coachbuilder Maggiora. After Maggiora's bankruptcy in May 2002, Fiat relocated production of the Barchetta to its Mirafiori plant and resumed production two years later. Around 57,700 cars were built up to 2005.

Production of the Barchetta was limited to LHD cars only, even though the car was marketed and sold in two RHD markets, the United Kingdom and Japan.

Bertone concept car
The Italian styling house of Bertone created a one-off roadster show car for Fiat called the Barchetta in March 2007, at the Geneva Motor Show. Designed by David Wilkie.

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Syed Ibne Hasan Nonaharvi

Syed Ibne Hasan Nunahrvi (or Nonaharvi or Nonaharavi or Naunahrvi or Naunaharvi) (1899-1980), was an Indian Shia Muslim cleric, orator and scholar.

Studies
He went to Islamic school in Nonahara, Ghazipur, UP, India and then moved to Lucknow for higher Shia religious education. He graduated from Sultanul Madaris.

Maulana Nonaharvi was a student of Allama Syed Ahmad Raza Saheb, Baqirul Uloom Maulana Syed Mohammad Baqir Saheb, and Nasirul Millat Syed Nasir Husain Moosavi Kintoori, Allama Syed Sibte Hasan Naqvi, etc.

In academics
He continued teaching at Sultanul Madaris and then became Principal of Madrasatul Waizeen, where he was known for his teachings of Nahjul Balagha, Arabic, usool, fiqh and guided his students to become great reciter.

As orator
Maulana Syed Ibne Hasan Nunahrvi was renowned for his oratory and Urdu language speeches. He was a pious and sincere scholar with tremendous control over religious matters and reciting majlis.

Maulana Nunahrvi learned the art of oratory from his teacher Allama Syed Sibte Hasan Naqvi, who was the pioneer of the format of majalis which are recited to the present day. Before their time, majalis in Lucknow and other places contained marsiya, recited by great poets like Meer Babbar Ali Anees and Mirza Dabeer. The new format had khutba in Arabic, some tafseer with fazail of Ahlul Bayt lastly masaeb of Karbala.

Maulana Nunahrvi was known for his beautiful language and delivery of difficult tafseer and Islamic philosophy. He was also considered the best orator of the topic of meraj and the battles of Islam (involving Muhammad & Ali). His description of the battlefield and meraj had such an effect on people that the description was said to take the imagination of the listener into the event itself. He traveled a lot and was able to recite a single majalis for 4 hours, not repeating the same topic twice. His vocabulary, control over Persian, Urdu, and Arabic languages, and usage of exemplary sentences with proper qafia and continuous flow with "Gul o Bulbul", control over his audience and making topics interesting made him extremely popular and known all over the sub-continent. He was an expert orator and recited long majalis with excellent delivery of words, and was also known as an orator who used to ask his audience to recite salawat more than 100 times in a single majlis.

Many of his followers used to travel long distance to listen to his majalis and had great affection for his recitations. Maulana was known for reciting esale sawab majalis due to his choice of Ayat for the deceased person. He chose Surah Nun for easale sawab majlis of the founder of Nizami Press, Lucknow who spent all his life writing and printing books. Maulana recited majlis e tarheem for Nasirul Millat and many prominent people and always ensured fazail and masaib of masoomeen consoles the grieving family.

Allama Nunahrvi started his career at Husainia Irshadia, Rudauli by invitation of Syed Irshad Husain Zaidi(d.1954) and remained a permanent zakir there for 58 years until his death. For 58 years, he recited majalis and mahafil in front of leaned audience and never repeated any majlis. Chaudhry Irshad's cousin brother Ali Muhammad Zaidi(1914-2004) authored a books named Ibne Hasan aur Rudauli.

Once he asked his host to name the ayat of his choice when he goes on pulpit and recited the majlis in his well known manner. In one majlis he described the incident - Muhammad asked Salman and Abu Zar to go and get Ali as he was suffering from eye infection, late Maulana said the following when both companions were coming back supporting Ali in the middle: Ek taraf jaushan kabir Ek taraf jaushan sagheer Beech me janabe ameer He also addressed majalis at Hyderabad, Rampur, Jalali, Lucknow and many other places.

He gave speech at Bismillah ceremony of eldest sister's son of Rahi Masoom Raza (they called Nunahrvi Khalu Miyan) on 3rd Shaban where Qais Zangipuri too was present.

Personal life
He was a pious and sincere scholar, and was a simple person in his personal life and used to walk to madrasa every day. During the last few years of his life he became ill and cut down on traveling. He died at the age of 81 years on 25 March 1980, in Lucknow and was buried in Imambara Ghufran Ma'ab.

Syed Shabihul Hasan Nonaharvi
His eldest son, Shia cleric Syed Shabihul Hasan Nonaharvi, died on May 13, 1998, was professor and chairman of 'Urdu Department' at Lucknow University,  and ex-principal of Madrasatul Waizeen. He was the last recipient of the combined club prize of AMU Student's Union medal in 1945. Like his father was a cleric, scholar and orator and an expert on Arabic, Persian and Urdu.

Syed Shabihul Hasan has authored following books,
 * Nasikh: tajziya wa taqdeer
 * Hazrat Imam Husain ki Jeewan Kalpana Unke Viswas aur Jihad ke Parkash me
 * Kerbala ki Ghatna
 * Diwan-i-Sadghazal
 * Nasikh Tajziyah wa Taqdir
 * Ahsanul Majalis

Abbas Raza Nayyar, Associate Professor & Head of Department of Urdu, Lucknow University, published following works related to Syed Shabihul Hasan,
 * Book - "Shabihul Hasan  Number” edited  for “Hamari Tauheed" published by Tauheed Publication Kendra, Lucknow in 1998
 * Research Paper - "Prof. Shabihul Hasan  Aur  Darse  Niazami" in 'Al Qalam', quarterly magazine in Karachi, Pakistan in July 1999

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Rodney Allen Rippy

Rodney Allen Rippy (born July 29, 1968) is a former American child actor, television personality, marketing director, producer, and politician. He appeared in TV commercials for the fast-food chain Jack in the Box in the early 1970s, as well as in numerous roles in television and movies.

Early career
In the Jack in the Box advertisements, Rippy was seen trying to wrap his mouth around the super-sized Jumbo Jack hamburger. The tag line "It's too big to eat!" (pronounced "It's too big-a-eat!") became a catchphrase. Another spot showed Rippy giggling while singing the song "Take Life a Little Easier," which was released as a single by Bell Records in the fall of 1973 in the wake of the commercial's popularity.

The single (b/w "World of Love") appeared on the Billboard magazine "Bubbling Under" chart in October 1973, peaking at #112. An LP, also titled Take Life a Little Easier (Bell 1311), was released in 1974.

Rippy subsequently had guest roles in many popular television shows, including The Six Million Dollar Man, Marcus Welby, M.D., Police Story, and The Odd Couple (Rodney played himself and was the owner of the building where Oscar and Felix lived). He also appeared frequently on talk shows such as The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson and Dinah's Place with Dinah Shore. Rippy also had a co-starring role on the CBS Saturday morning children's show The Harlem Globetrotters Popcorn Machine.

Rodney made his big screen debut (uncredited) in the Mel Brooks comedy Blazing Saddles in 1974 portraying a young Sheriff Bart. In a Peanuts newspaper comic strip dated July 3, 1974, Snoopy awakens from a dream in which he "had been invited out to dinner by Rodney Allen Rippy!"

Later career
Rippy graduated from Cerritos College in 1990 and California State University, Dominguez Hills in 1995 where he majored in marketing. In 2000 he opened his own marketing firm which he named Ripped Marketing Group. He worked on campaigns such as promoting leisure wear and country music, among other projects. He has taken on a few acting roles since his childhood stardom, filming a few episodes of Parker Lewis Can't Lose in the early 1990s, appearing in the 1997 independent film, Former Child Star and the 2003 David Spade comedy Dickie Roberts: Former Child Star.

Rippy is a partner in the film production company Bow Tie Productions, and spokesman for Hurricane Housing Relief. He worked at KABC-TV in Los Angeles, California. A resident of Carson, California, he has served as master of ceremonies for the Carson Relay For Life (Rippy's mother died of cancer in 1986). He was at one time a national director of marketing with Metro Networks (Westwood One).

Political candidacy
In 2015 Rippy was a candidate for mayor of Compton, California. He was eliminated by finishing 10th out of 12 candidates in the election's primary.

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Talk:Night Goblin

Can someone tell me what word to use instead of subspecies here? I saw "sub-breed" in the Savage Orc (Warhammer) article but I'm not positive whether night goblins are a "breed" of common goblins, i.e. their physiological traits are different from the ones of common goblins... or something like that. Would variety be a good word? Anzuhan
 * They're not really a breed as such, just adapted to living in a different enviroment. Whilst this has altered their psychological characteristics, I'd write something like "Night Goblins are a different variety of goblins adapted to life underground..." or something similar, just as Forest Goblins are adapted to life in the jungle. I suppose that either variety or breed would be good, just as long as the emphasis is that Night Goblins are not bred (like Uruk-Hai, for example!), but just adapted to living underground. Anyway, just my ideas... :)

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 * Subculture? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.183.250 (talk) 20:23, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

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Talk:Polish plumber

62.52.34.208
Please don't vandalise this article. Your changes don't even make grammatical sense. You may wish to add an additional paragraph explaining how this might be considered propaganda, but to change the word advertisement in the first sentence is ludicrous, as it is patently an advert. Tim! (talk) 20:40, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Please don't abuse the word vandalism, for it is not vandalism according to wikipedia. A following paragraph explaining why it should be propaganda is ludicrous. Have you ever created a paragraph to whether Poland is a country? No. That doesn't belong to wikipedia. And since the tourist agency is totally unimportant, it doesn't even deserve another paragraph. There's so much propaganda out there that wikipedia mustn't be filled with any. I told you to check the article on propaganda and added a link so it can be found. If you have problems, explain why any other poster in wiki's propaganda article is propaganda while this one is not. The wiki article is a featured one by the way, so I would call it a credible source.62.52.34.208 20:54, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Please elaborate on why this propaganda after the new sentence. Do not change the opening sentence, as "Polish Plumber is a character featured propaganda by the Polish tourism board." is a grammatically incorrect sentence. Tim! (talk) 21:10, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not incorrect any more.62.52.34.208 21:26, 17 August 2005 (UTC)´
 * I've explained it to you before and except for a biased denial, you couldn't offer anything. Can't you read the definition of the article on Propaganda yourself and see that the truth of my words is demonstrated? 62.52.34.208 21:46, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I have made no comment as to whether one might consider this as propaganda or not. All I ask is that you explain within the article why it is propaganda. Are Coke adverts propaganda? Tim! (talk) 21:49, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, they're propaganda. All advertisement is propaganda. That's why the wikirule says 'Wikipedia is not a propaganda mashine' and more specifically includes advertisement. It's just like the article for propaganda defines it and just like I said how it defines it

"Propaganda shares many techniques with advertising. In fact, advertising can be thought of as propaganda that promotes a commercial product; however, the word "propaganda" more typically refers to political or nationalist uses, or promotion of a set of ideas." ' I cannot see your commercial product, nor it's freedom for politics or are you suggesting that "advertisement" has not a governmental background? It's for entire Poland!62.52.34.208 21:58, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

From WP:NOT, read the second sentence "Of course, an article can report objectively about such things, as long as an attempt is made to approach a neutral point of view."

I have therefore asked you to explain within the article why it may be considered propaganda.Tim! (talk) 22:01, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Interprete the second sentence "Of course, an article can report objectively about such things, as long as an attempt is made to approach a neutral point of view." Is it neutral to give so much text to a dumb propaganda when in reality the text should focus on a fear? 62.52.34.208 22:04, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Calling it propaganda without explanation is not approaching a neutral point of view is it? Tim! (talk) 22:07, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

It is called advertisement without explanation. It is called model without explanation. It is called poster without explanation. It will be called propaganda with explanation on Talk:.--Neutrality Plumber

Talk is not part of the article. Its status as an advert, Piotr's status as a model, and being a poster are supported by the references in the external links section. Tim! (talk) 06:58, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

As the quote from Propagandaarticle unmistakenly shows, propaganda is more accurately than advertisement. Although we didn't say so, I think we agreed on neither advertisement nor propaganda but poster, so I want these revert dogs to show restraint and not play vandalism democracy, in which the POV pushers win by simply overshadowing the reasonable by misusing the 3-revert-rule. Discuss or don't delete. You act vandalistic and you know that.--Neutrality Plumber And learn how to translate. You don't translate "Oui!" (normal) with "Affirmative!" (formal) or "Oh yeaaaah"(informal,slang) but with "Yes!", so don't translate "Je t'attends" (normal) with "I await you" (formal) so why the fuck (vulgar) do you revert it?Neutrality Plumber 21:05, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

To anyone living in Poland this article would have been pretty meaningless without the paragraph on the ad campaign, which caused quite a lot of mirth here, a quality that seems noticeably lacking in some of the comments on this page. It was also apparently very successful, leading to a 14% rise in French tourists coming to Poland the following year, compared to a 4.6% increase in tourists from other countries, according to the corresponding article in Polish Wiki. A variation on the ad was also used in Poland by, I think, the national telephone company. Including the poster image in the article helps get across the tongue-in-cheek nature of the campaign. Warsaw Will (talk) 04:01, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Polish Plumber Ad
That's just genius. Talk about taking lemons and making lemonade! Good on the Poles. Rhombus 01:31, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

"used by opponents to the european treaty"
Hi, I changed the introductiv sentence because I think it's not true that this phrase was an actual argument of the opponents to the treaty. There were during the referendum nationalist considerations, since the nationalist parties were against it, but there were also left-oriented parties among the opponents which had social considerations. It was actually a controverse in France since it was often written in the media that nationalism was the main argument of the opponent and all non-nationalist opponents critisized this as an attempt to discredit them. The phrase "plombier polonais" was at least as often heard from the supporters (to critisize the opponents) as from the opponents (in my opinion actually more often!). I tried however not to introduce my opinion in the article but a review, both for the form (since I don't write english so well) and the content would be a good idea. However, I sincerely think that it is not neutral to pretend that the "plombier polonais" really was an argument against the treaty (also, it was first intended as an argument against the Bolkestein proposition, not against the treaty, but the Bolkestein proposition was itself used as an argument against European Union, and then against the treaty, since it was during the same period). Polletfa (talk) 19:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)  http://albuquerqueplumbersnm.com/

Frits Bolkestein
Does anyone know if Frits Bolkestein eventually hired a plumber and of what nationality? If it could be well sourced would be an interesting addition to the article Nil Einne (talk) 10:40, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Polish Builder
The term 'Polish builder' seems to be used all the time here in London, I had never heard of the phrase 'Polish Plumber' until I stumbled across this page. Any other UKians here care to add some knowledge/opinions? - Ascendah (talk) 21:38, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

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