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Doping (semiconductor)
Good job on the doping article! Many of the details of diffusion rates etc. had escaped me, as I've only had the most basic education in this area.

If you would care to expand the III-V section of the article, I think that could use some attention as well.

--Joel 22:18, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Ipswich
I've done something with Ipswich re that image, it's better, but still looks odd, but that's due to the lack of text in the surrounding paragraphs: so feel free to edit the Ipswich article yourself. Alf melmac 12:30, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

OSS
Hi Phil, I added OSI back to "see also" under Amdocs. Objective Systems Integrators is similar to Amdocs since we are an OSS developer. Our OSS framework is NETeXPERT. We've been around for 2 decades. Would it be better to create a new header with a list of OSS vendors? Thanks, Andrew Lee.

 * I deleted your addition because it looks very much like you'd added a link to a company with which you're associated. This would seem to breach http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links#Advertising_and_conflicts_of_interest.  The link it points to is a page where you appear to be the major contributor.  At the time I deleted the link, your company's wiki page was also marked for deletion as non-notable, which would back up the assertion that the link should not have been there.  It seems to me that you are advertising your own company, which would be a breach of Wiki guidelines.--Phil Holmes (talk) 14:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

2009 Formula One season
Your information has been removed again because it is uncited. It is not my responsibility to confirm if references exist for statements you added without citations, twice. If you wish to add information to any article about a future event (see WP:CRYSTAL), please do not be lazy and take the time to properly cite it. Since you seem ot be reading the new regulations, you should be more than able to cite this statement. The359 (talk) 21:39, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * A major rule change for a future season of a motorsport is inherently "debatable" since it is ignorant to assume that everyone is aware of all technical regulations and their changes from season to season. A citation is especially necessary for a future sport as, "All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable" (WP:CRYSTAL)  Therefore, verify that these are in fact changes that have taken place by citing your source.  A talk page message telling another user to "look them up in the regulations" is not verification.

 * Also, "which appear to be front wings" appears to be a bit of OR. Either these supposed rule changes discuss front wings or they don't.  What they may appear to be specifically discussing doesn't necessarily belong. The359 (talk) 07:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Douglas Robert Hadow
Hi Phil. Thanks for the amendment. Would it be possible for you to take a pic or scan of that family tree and post it online somewhere (Commons?) so that the change can be verified? Re. the family tree, does it call our man Douglas Robert Hadow or Robert Douglas Hadow? I've seen both versions given. Regards, Ericoides (talk) 08:03, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

 * I've uploaded an excerpt of the tree showing the relevant information at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/HadowTree.png. Please let me know if you need more information.

 * I actually started looking at the Hadow family tree because one of my relatives was a butler to Henry Hadow, and it's become a bit of an obsession tracking them all down. You don't happen to know the name of the great grandfather of Pen Hadow (Rupert Nigel Pendrill Hadow) by any chance?  --Phil Holmes (talk) 14:03, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

 * Many thanks for that. I've put a ref to the family tree in the Douglas Hadow article. Re Pen's distant relation, sorry I haven't a clue, but you might try asking this chap who is a mine of such information. Regards, Ericoides (talk) 14:25, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

 * I found out a couple of hours after asking. It's Arthur de Salis Hadow, a brother of Douglas Robert.  --Phil Holmes (talk) 15:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

 * Ah good. A possible connection with Bondo or Soglio? Ericoides (talk) 18:13, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Took me a while to find it, but no. I reckon it's a homage to a colleague at P&O. See http://www.poships.co.uk/PO%20Chairmen.html --Phil Holmes (talk) 09:23, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

 * No relationship to the Soglio Salises then? Ericoides (talk) 22:54, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

 * I don't believe so --Phil Holmes (talk) 17:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Date_formatting_and_linking_poll/Autoformatting_responses
Regarding your comment in opposition to date autoformatting, I'd like to point out that autoformatting and autolinking are two different issues. It's currently possible to autoformat dates without having them be linked, and there are further improvements that have been proposed that would allow both of those options to be specified as individual, independent preference settings, and to use the existing date syntax to enable those features. --Sapphic (talk) 01:19, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

 * In my oppose, I said that it's used as a justification for excessive linking, and I have seen that and therefore believe it to be true. --Phil Holmes (talk) 14:56, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I'm trying to let you know that the date linking and date autoformatting can be disentangled from each other. It's now possible to have dates autoformat without having them be linked.  There are further plans to fix a lot more of the problems with the current autoformatting system, pending the outcome of the poll.  If you're opposed to autoformatting in general (and not just the older version that'd been in place up until a month or so ago, or whenever User:Werdna committed his patch) then could you clarify your reasons on the poll page, so nobody will question the results?  If you're only opposed to having dates be linked, then would you please consider the specific question of autoformatting, independently of that, and then clarify and/or change your position on the poll page?  Or just ignore this request entirely, it's up to you; I won't bug you about it anymore.  --Sapphic (talk) 04:02, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

 * OK. I've deleted my oppose to autoformatting and moved it to a comment. --Phil Holmes (talk) 08:22, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Phil, well I'm here to say that while date autoformatting can be disentangled from linking, the proposed system they've got there is untested and still cannot display date ranges (January 3–7, 1990). There is significant doubt that the system can be made to do this, and since after six years the old blue system couldn't be made to do it, I have no confidence in the claims of a few editors that the system will be made to work properly. Date ranges, non-breaking spaces, and other technical issues are set to plague any new system, especially one that is not demonstrated and has no proper specs. That is why we advised taking a cautious, even conservative approach. I have no doubt that your decision to oppose was based on your reading of the Statement against, which outline other issues, too, such as the query as to what the problem is in the first place.

Cheers. Tony  (talk)  05:02, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

 * Thanks. I'm not sure if you saw my comment, but I wrote "I'd don't mind either way whether dates have autoformatting options providing it doesn't rely on date linking".  Grammar notwithstanding, anyone reading that in order to determine the result of the poll should be clear on my view? --Phil Holmes (talk) 07:25, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

CheapChop
Thanks for the link about sound card volt meters. Just what I was after! PeterGrecian (talk) 09:03, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

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Commons tagging
Identification of images for commons Is Useful editing :) I expect an apology. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 21:32, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Either moving them yourself or doing the editing is useful. Adding thousands of tags is not. No apology forthcoming. Try doing some editing rather than adding useless tags. --Phil Holmes (talk) 21:34, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

 * So tags for moves to Commons are pointless? Well, Thanks for your opinion. I'd still like an apology for the implication that it's not 'useful' editing though. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 22:18, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Phil, I'd like to point out that tagging is not useless. Sfan00 may wish to have other editors move images that he is less sure of (some images have unsure licenses and he may wish to obtain the opinion of someone else). We can't all be copyright gurus, and therefore, it is not a pointless task. Anything editing on this project (for the most part) is beneficial. blurredpeace ☮ 22:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Phil: please remember to be civil in your responses to other users, as in this example. Jeni  ( talk ) 13:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

No Apologies Needed
I, too, have been annoyed by the compulsion of certain editors to move every image to Wikimedia. While they are well meaning (and I personally like SFan00), I don't think they appreciate the problems that this migration to Wikimedia causes, such as a loss of your Watch rights, and the looser regulation of spurious deletion that goes on outside of Wikipedia. All of this is done under the excuse that this will make images available to all Wikimedia projects, however I have found that these images are never used in anything other than Wikipedia, making their efforts pointless. I recommend tagging any important images with Keeplocal, so there is at least a copy kept in WP. It looks like this: You don't owe anyone an apology. Bill Whittaker (talk) 18:54, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * As long as they obey GFDL licencing. However, you're supposed to keep the original with GFDL. So I wonder if there's not a problem with moving them over? --CyclePat (talk) 03:32, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Garneau
Hey Phil, It's Pat Roy. thanks for the contributions at Garneau... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Garneau_Logo.png http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Garneau_Logo.png&oldid=188907733  --CyclePat (talk) 03:19, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Thanks, Pat, and for your contributions above. In truth, the conversion to jpg is the easy bit - it seems that all the other tagging stuff is what causes the problems.  I may seem a little ratty above, but I've suffered from other authors who think that adding "citation needed" tags all over a page is somehow a positive contribution, and it continues to seem to me that blindly adding tags to pages reqesting someone else do something could be time better spent.  Just my 2p.  --Phil Holmes (talk) 10:03, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Hi Phil, Speaking of "citation needed". To conform with GFDL licencing, I think, specially if you want it done properly, you're going to have to upload the picture overtop of the other one. However, I don't know if that's even possible, if you change from .png to .jpg. Also, I remember reading about which format to take and I clearly remember at the time Wikipedia saying something along the line of .jpg for photos and .png for documents or scans. This is a scan. But meuh. Anyways, well wait and see what happens regarding the speedy delete of the original photo. If they agree that it should be deleted, I will move that we, re-instate the .png. (I hope there's no offence taken) Licencing... referencing... etc... as discussed in the licencing section of the photos themselves. Anyways, it's all about keeping in touch with your Spirituality and keeping a "clean view" on things. If something bothers you, then perhaps there's something you need to explore and talk about so it brings you peace. God bless. p.s.: I imagine you looked at my user profile. No matter the case... "hard fact are hard to find. Usually what we have are POVs" (see the rest of this saying on my profile) Which essentially means, in general, we have a lot of "citations needed" (pun intented) --CyclePat (talk) 05:30, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

CanOfWorms isn't interested in discussing the issue, numerous editors have contacted him regarding his addition of fact tags about various problems and have invariably been met with hostility. The tags are generally fair, although he does make mistakes, so I think in general it's best to leave him alone. Reinstating your question on his talk page will only serve to piss him off, so it's best just to let the issue go. You're right though, sometimes he doesn't bother looking for the reference, or even to the end of the sentence. Nev1 (talk) 21:20, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

CanOfWorms
Stop reverting his edits to his talk page. I know he's dick and all, but the rules says he's allowed to do that.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  21:45, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Or put another way, as per WP:USER, editors may remove messages at will from their own talk pages. While we may prefer that comments be archived instead, policy does not prohibit users -including anonymous editors- from deleting messages or warnings from their own talk pages.  The only kinds of talk page messages that cannot be removed (as per WP:BLANKING) are declined unblock requests (but only while blocks are still in effect), confirmed sockpuppet notices, or IP header templates (for unregistered editors).  These exceptions only exist in order to keep a user from potentially gaming the system.  Thanks, — Kralizec! (talk) 22:39, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok folks, that's three different people asking Phil Holmes not to revert user's edits to their own user space. I think he gets the message. Nev1 (talk) 22:46, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

DWP
Howdy! No probs re. correction... as a former employee of the DWP myself, they are not known for their speediness regarding their updates! :) BNC85 (talk) 15:19, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Laptop weather station
How do you use it as one?Accdude92 (talk) (sign) 14:53, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Meteorologist
So you want to be a Meteorologist?Accdude92 (talk) (sign) 13:15, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

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Pensions in the UK - request for feedback
Hi Phil, I notice you've been contributing to the Pensions_in_the_United_Kingdom article, and I'd like to ask your advice. I'm a little concerned about the historically comparative values of pensions mentioned in the lede of the article, and have been trying to contact the editor who originally cited them. Could I ask that you have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mauls#UK_Pensions_problem and let me know whether you think the article would be better for the suggestions I've made? Regards, Revera (talk) 20:03, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Got your message, and will take it up on the article's talk page as you suggest. Thanks, Revera (talk) 23:36, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Tremaen
Hello, I do not think leaving the page without a source is adequate. At the minimum there should be an item "Source" citing the website. Its purpose in External links is to supplement whatever the article provides. It needs to be possible to distinguish information based on the website from that added in the future from other sources. "Citing sources: ensures that content can be checked by any reader or editor, which improves the credibility of Wikipedia, shows that your edit is not original research, plagiarism, or a copyright violation, ensures that material about living persons complies with the biography of living persons policy, helps readers find additional information."--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 09:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

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Firefox
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Removing maintenance templates form ImDisk
Hello, Phil

I see that you have removed problem templates from ImDisk article, stating "article looks OK to me". Well, let's see if it is indeed so: Paragraphs two, three and four need source because they have none. The article also lacks significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. All its citations are also bare links! Well, it seems this is article is not okay at all.

Please don't remove problem templates again. Fleet Command (talk) 11:13, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think I can. You yourself said "bold" change. Hence, undoing your bold edit is well within the purview of BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Now, notability requires evidence as stated in WP:N and this article lacks it. As for the required sources, I say again for the last time, I see statements there that the two present sources cannot verify.  And as for tags being obtrusive: The comfort of your pet is my least priority, especially when you write "article looks OK to me", which is not true. Those tags should stay put until the problems are solved. Fleet Command (talk) 08:56, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

FYI, ImDisk was nominated for deletion. –89.204.137.229 (talk) 23:15, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Help Desk
When you said: You need to know the frontal area, I replied in the Science desk. Can you please come to the help desk(Science)?--213.107.74.132 (talk) 12:30, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

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your opinion (East Anglia Array)
Thank you for your opinion and decision. An image is not relevant in a page that does not have any image...

I know it's hard to make a page and get someone to come in with information you don't have, but those things happen. regards -- (talk) 15:38, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Operations support system question
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Hi Phil, thanks for your reply at the RefDesk. I see you don't have Wikipedia email enabled. Is it OK for me to email you via your linked homepage, so that you can email your list back? DuncanHill (talk) 11:23, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * You have mail, at the mail@ address. DuncanHill (talk) 11:33, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

About the dialect native language thing
I honestly think it should count, I know you're from suffolk, i'm from essex and my main interest is around the whole east anglian dialect continuum, I think dialects are just as important as languages and the lines are also hard to draw between a dialect and a language either way, the main reason is, I don't think wikipedia itself should gloss over other names for places in dialects. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Judeobasquelanguage (talk • contribs) 15:23, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

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Vice Squad (1982 film)

Vice Squad is a 1982 American exploitation crime thriller film directed by Gary Sherman and starring Wings Hauser, Season Hubley, and Gary Swanson. Its plot follows a Los Angeles businesswoman-turned-prostitute who is enlisted by the Los Angeles Police Department to help apprehend a homicidal and misogynistic pimp. The original music score was composed by Joe Renzetti and Keith Rubinstein. Wings Hauser sang the vocal track for the film's opening and closing theme song, "Neon Slime".

Plot
A down-on-her-luck Los Angeles businesswoman-turned-prostitute, known only by her street name Princess, walks the Sunset Boulevard to support herself and her young daughter Lisa. As she prepares Lisa for a trip to see her grandmother in San Diego, Princess receives a distressed telephone call from her friend and coworker, Ginger Grady, who is hiding in a motel from her abusive pimp Ramrod, a misogynistic psychopath. Shortly thereafter, Ramrod tracks Ginger down and coaxes her to open the door under the guise of an apology. As soon as she does, however, he violently ties her to the bed and beats and rapes her with a pimp stick.

Across town, the work routine of undercover LAPD vice squad sergeant Tom Walsh and trainee officer Edwards is disrupted by a call to the hospital. Tom, who already knows Ramrod at least by reputation, watches Ginger die from her injuries before he can convince her to identify her attacker. Tom promises to avenge her death by bringing Ramrod to justice. He brings Princess down to the hospital morgue to discuss her pending cocaine possession and warns that, even though she does not use drugs, an unsympathetic judge will incarcerate her and remove custody of Lisa. He offers her a pardon in exchange for her help catching a violent criminal. Princess initially refuses out of fear upon hearing who the criminal is, but Tom changes her mind by showing her Ginger's corpse.

Princess wears a wire while attracting Ramrod's attention in a nightclub. He invites her back to his apartment, and is promptly arrested by Tom's squad once he reveals incriminating information. Ramrod is surprised but unrepentant when he learns he has killed Ginger, and furiously resists arrest once he realizes the setup. The scuffle ends when Tom pushes a gun against his head, at which point Ramrod vows to kill Princess.

On the drive to the station, Ramrod manages to disable officers Mendez and Kolowski and cause an accident. He has his handcuffs removed, borrows a car from acquaintance Roscoe, and purchases a gun from gay leather club owner Fast Eddie who also identifies Joe Dorsey as Princess' former pimp.

The squad hits the streets looking to find Ramrod and Princess before the two of them cross paths. Williams and her patrol partner interrogate Roscoe until they learn which car Ramrod is currently driving. Meanwhile, Princess meets some of her colleagues at a sleazy dive bar where they discuss their customers' kinks. Princess is then propositioned by a patron but remains aloof during sex, and the disgruntled client forcibly takes his money back.

After brutally interrogating and castrating Dorsey, Ramrod heads to Princess' motel. Before he arrives, however, she is picked up by a wealthy client's chauffeur on recommendation of her friend Coco. The vice squad follow Ramrod's trail but the motel manager, who had been beaten by Ramrod moments earlier, is uncooperative when Tom interrogates her. Ramrod kidnaps Coco and tortures her until she reveals the chauffeur took Princess to Beverly Hills.

Inside the Beverly Hills house, Princess is instructed to dress as a bride and descend to the parlor, where the elderly client lays motionless in a casket. She accidentally botches the encounter by screaming when he unexpectedly jumps awake. Police officers find the injured Coco beside a trash heap and unknowingly drive past Ramrod who has just stolen a newspaper delivery truck after murdering its driver, and is pursuing Princess' taxi. Her friends attempt to warn her, but Ramrod then chases after them, hitting one of the women in the process. He pulls Princess into his truck and takes her to an abandoned warehouse.

The police arrive as he begins to torture her, and Ramrod jumps out the window, shooting multiple officers and stealing a car. Tom relentlessly pursues him across town, finally cornering him in an alleyway and shooting him dead. Just after daybreak, Tom emerges from the warehouse with a gunshot wound in his arm. While being lifted into an ambulance, Princess tells him that he will "never be able to change the streets", and he walks away as the sun rises over the city.

Production
Producer Brian Frankish and unit production manager James Robert Dyer approached Sandy Howard about a television documentary about prostitution in Hollywood by interviewing actual pimps and prostitutes with the assistance of the LAPD Vice Squad. Due to the limits imposed by television censorship and inspired by the dramatic possibilities surrounding the subject matter, the project was re-envisioned as a dramatic narrative feature with Howard and Kenneth Peter collaborating on a screenplay which would be given uncredited input by executive producer Robert Vincent O'Neil. In order to prepare for her role as "Princess", Season Hubley spent ten weeks with actual Los Angeles prostitutes. The filmmakers also coordinated with the LAPD on a "making of" documentary that included interviews with actual police officers and sex workers.

Box office
The film opened in 510 in the United States, and grossed $5.2 million in North America, with a worldwide gross of $13,253,583.

Critical response
Stephen Hunter, writing for The Baltimore Sun, wrote that the film's short timeframe results in an "inconsistent structure" and renders "all kinds of difficulty in staying organized," but conceded that Sherman's direction "keeps the action moving swiftly" while noting inconsistent performances from the actors.

Home media
Anchor Bay Entertainment released Vice Squad on DVD in 2006. Scream Factory released the film in a collector's edition Blu-ray on August 13, 2019.

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I, Geroge Paul Rollin, III, am Susan (Rollin) Torres' Father. All of the editing of your posting regarding Susan (Rollin) Torres has been done in the interest of showing the facts as they are. There is much mis-information about Susan. I simply try to correct it when I am made aware of it.

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Samuel Hayden

Samuel M. Hayden (October 6, 1858 – October 27, 1934 ) was a Canadian politician in Manitoba. He served in the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba from 1915 to 1920, as a member of the Liberal Party.

Hayden resided in Killarney, Manitoba during his political career. He first ran for the Manitoba legislature in the provincial election of 1914, and lost to Conservative incumbent George Lawrence by 68 votes in the Killarney constituency. He ran again in the 1915 election, and defeated Lawrence by 123 votes. The Liberals won a landslide majority government in this election, and Hayden served for the next five years as a backbench supporter of Tobias Norris's government.

He ran for re-election in the 1920 campaign, but lost to Farmer candidate Samuel Fletcher by 396 votes.

Hayden died in the Rural Municipality of Turtle Mountain at the age of 76.

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Talk:Engagement

Cleanup
Hello. I cleaned this bit up and added some things. I think it's still kind of messy but I tried my best. The first one I've done. I found there was a lot of different ideas about the history and wasn't sure how to incorporate it all so I provided a link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Papa leaf (talk • contribs) 15:53, August 18, 2005
 * Engagement in my country is a little different from the description on this page. In my country engagement is a contract entered into between members of two families whereby they agree that two persons, the fince and the fiancee, shall get married. Usually the future spouses do not have a say on the decision to marry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.200.99.14 (talk • contribs) 07:17, July 23, 2008
 * i added the engagment party section.
 * I have had trouble finding all this info in one source and so decided to add it to Wiki.
 * Please keep the presents sections as when they happen no one knows what to get! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.158.63.150 (talk • contribs) 05:37, December 17, 2005

Truluv
If this term is truly replacing fiance in the English language, a source should be cited. (I've never heard of this term and suspect it is not used very widely). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.243.64.102 (talk) 02:56, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Agreed, there is absolutely no evidence that "Truluv" is a real term. Google apparently has never heard of this term either.  Wikipedia is not a dictionary?  I'm not very familiar with Wikipedia's policies, can we just delete this dubious statement? Pediddle (talk) 17:09, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Remove the term "truluv"? Preposterous! I've been looking for a replacement for the French word for a while. "Truluv" beats "fee-an-kee" hands down.

Truluv is a new movement in Socal to rid the english language of the word Fiance. Fiance is a french word and just plain dumb. If the world is to be a better place in the end, we need our own words. If u peeps have issues with new upcoming language, just because u cant find it on a google search, u should really get a hobbie. "This is my truluv." "Im meeting my truluv for lunch." etc..

 * You need to provide a solid reliable source that supports its inclusion. Wikipedia isn't advocating either side:  just insisting that whatever's in the encyclopedia be verifiable instead of things someone made up one day.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:39, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Legal nature?
Can anyone find out about the legal bases of engagement? In Germany and Switzerland, at least, there are laws that regulate it in more or less detail -- how is that in English-speaking countries?

I also understand that in most European countries, the engagement ring is worn on the 4th finger of the right hand, to distinguish it from a wedding ring. Comments? JREL 14:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

That's interesting. Does anyone know if it's illegal to propose engagement if under the marriagable age (as long as the actual marriage occurs after the passing of age required by law)? --Concordia 00:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I am by no means a lawyer but i am an ethical person and i would hope that it would be illegal to propose at an age that is not appropriate. I hope I'm not to much of an old timer, mind you I'm not that old, i just got married myself at age 30 and my boy friend and i looked into finding a beautiful diamond engagement ring we found you really needed to know about the 4 C's when choosing a diamond. We did research and we found Excellent Diamond Cutters. I personally believe fiance should be of legal marriageable age and i would recommend going together to choose the engagement ring based on my excellent experience. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.16.102 (talk) 15:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Other meanings for engagement
Should there be an extra link to an article at the top about engagement in the military sense? 59.167.138.207 10:59, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

 * If there is an appropriate article to link to, a disambiguation link would be fine. Which article are you thinking of?  ACW 16:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

This guy is refering to the term "Rules of Engagment" Its a term used by the meaning "Engaging the enemy"69.34.111.9 (talk)Jon —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:54, 8 December 2008 (UTC).

Breach of Promise
My information on that is straight from the main article - I mainly know of it through Trial by Jury and various other pieces by Gilbert that mention it, like Engaged (play) and The Mountebanks (opera), not from a legal view. Adam Cuerden talk 07:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I went to the breach of promise article in the hope of adding sources but unfortunately that's unsourced too! It's a great addition to the engagement article.  Brings home the economic and contractual arrangement engagements and marriages used to be for some. --Siobhan Hansa 20:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. Well, is citing Gilbert's Hamlet Parody in The Mountebanks:

 * Ophelia to her sex was a disgrace
 * Who nobody could feel compassion for:
 * Ophelia should have gone to Ely place
 * To consult an eminent solicitor
 * When such promises as these
 * Makes a suitor, rich and regal
 * Substantial damages
 * Is the panacea legal:
 * From the jury, Sons of Adam,
 * Though as stony as MacAdam
 * Maid or Madam
 * She'd have had 'im
 * Would Ophelia!
 * -Ophelia was a dainty little maid, Verse 2.

Useful? And sadly enough, I did that from memory. Adam Cuerden talk 01:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

vein that leads to the heart?
All veins lead to the heart. --froth T 22:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the point is that it was the Roman belief, not that it's actually factual. --Aervanath 22:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

If one's time to be committed or to commit comes, he or she would LOVE a one-vein-leading-to-the-heart story and really wouldn't care that all veins actually lead to the heart. I'm sure everybody knows that and I'm sure HE (or she) knows better than anyone that his (or her) heart "leads" only to one particular person..... (even if that's not an actual fact) --Stylherc 14:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)Iraklis

Calling friends and family?
I would not disagree with the portion of the article that states that it is common in the US to call friends and family after a proposal has been accepted, but is it really "traditional"? I'm just curious how much sociological evidence supports this versus some author's personal experience within his or her own family and friends as well as with cinematic depictions cmac 07:19, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I havent seen or heard of a family that didnt do it. I even did when I got engaged.69.34.111.9 (talk) 19:56, 8 December 2008 (UTC)Jon

Engagement period begins in 1215?
I'm confused by the idea that the engagement period may be a creation of the Fourth Lateran Council: if you look at the Bible, you'll see certain passages (mostly in the Torah) that discuss virgins pledged to be married, and I think that the Hebrew Bible is just a trifle older than the Fourth Lateran Council :-) Nyttend backup (talk) 00:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, the Talmud talks about it, where it is called shiduchei.Mzk1 (talk) 20:56, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit notice debate
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Clear typo but can't figure out what is meant
There is clearly at least one typographical error in the sentence:

In some other countries from South America, like in Argentina, man and woman use each one a ring, and these are generally very similar to the wedding rings, with the difference that they are made of silver instead of gold.

Can anybody figure this out and correct it? roricka 17:47, 10 December 2008 (ET)

 * I think it's supposed to mean that the fiancées give each other a silver engagement ring. Churchh (talk) 07:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Third or fourth finger?
In the section for "Engagement rings" shouldn't it be the fourth finger? See Ring_finger and Vena_amoris. The main article Engagement_ring also mentions the "fourth finger". The only reason I've not edited it yet is because some claim that the thumb is not a finger, though the article finger seems to contradict that notion. Any objections to changing this article to read "fourth finger?" --Raztus (talk) 07:55, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Betrothal
What is the difference between Betrothal and Engagement? --91.96.59.30 (talk) 17:41, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * In some cultures they are the same, but in Judaism they are two different things; Betrothal is the first stage of marriage.Mzk1 (talk) 20:55, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

See Also?
Since a number of wedding terms redirect here, should the glossary of wedding terms be added to a See Also section? 68.94.213.50 (talk) 06:57, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Engagement parties
This section has no supporting evidence. It needs verification. I realize we Americans have parties for just about any- and every-thing, but I don't recall ever hearing of an engagement party. I'm not saying they don't exist, but in Wik we are supposed to verify things with refs.Kdammers (talk) 09:37, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Jewish section is a mess
The Jewish section is a complete, unsourced mess of inaccuracies. They are mixing up engagement with betrothal, modern Hebrew with legal language, and kesef kiddushin (so-called bride price) with dowry. I started to fix it, but it leaves a lot mote work or should be removed.Mzk1 (talk) 22:41, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

 * I see half of the problem is that the generic part looked like the Jewish part. So I fixed it by removing Jewish references. Still needs work.Mzk1 (talk) 22:51, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

 * New mess! The part on rings confuses Shidukhin (engagement), Erusin/Kiddushin (bethrothal, which is Judaism is the first stage of marriage), and the Ketubah, which is not related to the Kessef (money of) Kiddushin, unless you have a source that says so.

 * The Jewish stuff is still a mess. We wouldn't tolerate fundamentalist Christians imposing their world-view on this article; the same principle should apply to extreme Jewish ideology. Certainly Jewish custom has been influential, and not just through the fact that Christianity started out as a sect of Judaism. What we need is an expert on Judaica. Zyxwv99 (talk) 16:22, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Is there such thing as "legally engaged"?
Now and then, even in some wikipedia articles, this term can be found referring to 20-21st century situations. But is engagement recognized in some way by the modern legal systems? Does engagement require registration with government in some jurisdictions? Any legal consequences? Article only slightly mentions legality when applied to some situations few centuries ago. This way or the other, article should have a section on the legal status of the subject. Yurivict (talk) 23:18, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I am currently researching this for the engagement ring article, but so far it looks as if there were at least two and possibly three related but different concepts: engagement, betrothal, and espousal (don't know if the last two are the same). Until the Protestant Reformation betrothal was official, legally binding (although the contract could be annulled by paying restitution), and sanctioned by the Church. Then around 1525 the wedding vows in England changed to "with this ring I thee wed" at which point the wedding became more important than the betrothal. (No idea if Catholic countries followed suit during the Counter-Reformation) According to some sources, that's when betrothal started to become mere engagements. Today people do not register with the government, but some aspects of engagement are relevant in civil suits, for example, if a woman supports her boyfriend to get him through medical school and then he dumps her, an engagement ring would carry a lot of weight in court, but only as supporting evidence. Zyxwv99 (talk) 16:17, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Mormon section
A new Mormon section has just been added. The section title is too long. It should match the other section titles. The inline citation needs to go in a footnote. (WP:MOS has info on how to do that.) Also, we frown on websites as sources as they are subject to "link rot." The same information should be available from something in Google books. Here is a handy tool for turning a Google Books url into a Wikipedia citation: http://reftag.appspot.com/ Zyxwv99 (talk) 15:59, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Weird formatting in opening paragraph
Does anybody know how to fix the opening paragraph? Because I've counted up the number of apostrophes and it all seems to match up. But for some reason, the formatting's broken. --75.186.76.198 (talk) 18:13, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I fixed it. The edit that caused the problem was 23:35, 19 November 2013 75.0.180.16, the betrothed near the bottom of the paragraph had a third apostrophe at the beginning but only two at the end. Zyxwv99 (talk) 03:38, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

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Anatolian hieroglyphs

Anatolian hieroglyphs are an indigenous logographic script native to central Anatolia, consisting of some 500 signs. They were once commonly known as Hittite hieroglyphs, but the language they encode proved to be Luwian, not Hittite, and the term Luwian hieroglyphs is used in English publications. They are typologically similar to Egyptian hieroglyphs, but do not derive graphically from that script, and they are not known to have played the sacred role of hieroglyphs in Egypt. There is no demonstrable connection to Hittite cuneiform.

History
Individual Anatolian hieroglyphs are attested from the second and early first millennia BC across Anatolia and into modern Syria. A biconvex bronze personal seal was found in the Troy VIIb level (later half of the 12th century BC) inscribed with Luwian Hieroglyphs. The earliest examples occur on personal seals, but these consist only of names, titles, and auspicious signs, and it is not certain that they represent language. Most actual texts are found as monumental inscriptions in stone, though a few documents have survived on lead strips.

The first inscriptions confirmed as Luwian date to the Late Bronze Age, ca. 14th to 13th centuries BC. After some two centuries of sparse material, the hieroglyphs resume in the Early Iron Age, ca. 10th to 8th centuries BC. In the early 7th century BC, the Luwian hieroglyphic script, by then aged some 700 years, was marginalized by competing alphabetic scripts and fell into oblivion.

Language
While almost all the preserved texts employing Anatolian hieroglyphs are written in the Luwian language, some features of the script suggest its earliest development within a bilingual Hittite-Luwian environment. For example, the sign which has the form of a "taking" or "grasping" hand has the value /ta/, which is precisely the Hittite word ta-/da- "to take," in contrast with the Luwian cognate of the same meaning which is la-. There was occasionally some use of Anatolian hieroglyphs to write foreign material like Hurrian theonyms, or glosses in Urartian (such as á – ḫá+ra – ku for  aqarqi or  tu – ru – za for  ṭerusi, two units of measurement).

Typology
As in Egyptian, characters may be logographic or phonographic—that is, they may be used to represent words or sounds. The number of phonographic signs is limited. Most represent CV syllables, though there are a few disyllabic signs. A large number of these are ambiguous as to whether the vowel is a or i. Some signs are dedicated to one use or another, but many are flexible.

Words may be written logographically, phonetically, mixed (that is, a logogram with a phonetic complement), and may be preceded by a determinative. Other than the fact that the phonetic glyphs form a syllabary rather than indicating only consonants, this system is analogous to the system of Egyptian hieroglyphs.

A more elaborate monumental style is distinguished from more abstract linear or cursive forms of the script. In general, relief inscriptions prefer monumental forms, and incised ones prefer the linear form, but the styles are in principle interchangeable. Texts of several lines are usually written in boustrophedon style. Within a line, signs are usually written in vertical columns, but as in Egyptian hieroglyphs, aesthetic considerations take precedence over correct reading order.

Decipherment
Anatolian hieroglyphs first came to Western attention in the nineteenth century, when European explorers such as Johann Ludwig Burckhardt and Richard Francis Burton described pictographic inscriptions on walls in the city of Hama, Syria. The same characters were recorded in Boğazköy, and presumed by A. H. Sayce to be Hittite in origin.

By 1915, with the Luwian language known from cuneiform, and a substantial quantity of Anatolian hieroglyphs transcribed and published, linguists started to make real progress in reading the script. In the 1930s, it was partially deciphered by Ignace Gelb, Piero Meriggi, Emil Forrer, and Bedřich Hrozný. Its language was confirmed as Luwian in 1973 by J.D. Hawkins, Anna Morpurgo Davies and Günther Neumann, who corrected some previous errors about sign values, in particular emending the reading of symbols *376 and *377 from i, ī to zi, za.

Sign inventory
The script consists of on the order of 500 unique signs, some with multiple values; a given sign may function as a logogram, a determinative or a syllabogram, or a combination thereof. The signs are numbered according to Laroche's sign list, with a prefix of 'L.' or '*'. Logograms are transcribed in Latin in capital letters. For example, *90, an image of a foot, is transcribed as PES when used logographically, and with its phonemic value  ti when used as a syllabogram. In the rare cases where the logogram cannot be transliterated into Latin, it is rendered through its approximate Hittite equivalent, recorded in Italic capitals, e.g. *216 ARHA. The most up-to-date sign list was compiled by Massimiliano Marazzi in 1998.

Hawkins, Morpurgo-Davies and Neumann corrected some previous errors about sign values, in particular emending the reading of symbols *376 and *377 from i, ī to zi, za.

List of CV syllabograms
Transliteration of logograms is conventionally the term represented in Latin, in capital letters (e.g. PES for the logogram for "foot"). The syllabograms are transliterated, disambiguating homophonic signs analogously to cuneiform transliteration, e.g. ta=ta1, tá=ta2, and ta6 transliterate three distinct ways of representing phonemic /ta/. Some of the homophonic signs have received further attention and new phonetic interpretation in recent years, e.g. tà has been argued to stand for /da/, and á seems to have stood for /ʔa/ (distinct from /a/), representing the descendant of Proto-Indo-European. One of the latest confirmed discoveries pertaining to the decipherment of Anatolian Hieroglyphs is the re-interpretation of the signs ta4 and ta5 as $⟨la/i⟩$ and $⟨lá/í⟩$ respectively

Unicode
Anatolian hieroglyphs were added to the Unicode Standard in June, 2015 with the release of version 8.0.

The Unicode block for Anatolian Hieroglyphs is U+14400–U+1467F:

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Bernese Jura

Bernese Jura (Jura bernois,, German: Berner Jura) is the name for the French-speaking area of the Swiss canton of Bern, and from 2010 one of ten administrative divisions of the canton.

Comprising the three French-speaking districts in the northern part of the canton, it contains 40 municipalities with an area of 541.71 km2 and a population of. More than 90% of the population of the three districts speaks French.

From 1815 to 1979, the Bernese Jura comprised seven districts. Three of these seceded to form the canton of Jura in 1979, while a fourth, the Laufen district, joined the canton of Basel-Landschaft in 1994. Additionally, Moutier, a municipality, voted to secede from Bern in a referendum in 2021 and join Jura, with the change expected to be implemented by 2026.

History
Most of the territory of the Bernese Jura was passed from the County of Burgundy to the Bishopric of Basel in AD 999.

It was annexed by France during the Napoleonic period, 1798-1814. In 1814, the Congress of Vienna accorded it to the canton of Bern to compensate for the loss of the new canton of Vaud.

From 1815 to 1979, the term Bernese Jura also included the territory now forming the canton of Jura, which seceded following a national popular vote on 24 September 1978.

In 1974 a plebiscite voted to remain part of Bern by a margin of only 70 votes. This led to acts of vandalism on 16 March 1974 and on 7 September 1975 an armed standoff at the Hôtel de la Gare in Moutier which was broken up by an elite team of Bernese police on the following day. Two other plebiscites also came down on the side of remaining in the Canton of Bern, including one in 1998 which passed with a thin majority of 41 votes. In 2013 a third plebiscite ended with the majority of residents choosing to remain in Bern, though a majority of residents of Moutier wanted to join Jura. On 18 June 2017 the municipality of Moutier voted to join the Canton of Jura by a small margin of 51.7% (2,067 for leaving and 1,930 for remaining part of Bern).

Its administrative capital was Biel/Bienne from 1815 to 2009. Since 2010, Biel/Bienne has been made the administrative capital of a separate district, and the administrative capital of the remaining Bernese Jura is now Courtelary.

Representation
According to the canton's constitution, one of the seven members of the Executive Council of Bern has to be a French-speaking citizen of this area. Of the 160 seats in the Grand Council of Bern, 12 seats are reserved for the Bernese Jura and an additional three seats are guaranteed for the French-speaking population of the bilingual district of Biel/Bienne.

Administrative divisions
Historically, the region was divided into three districts (2004 population estimates):
 * District of Courtelary (22,224)
 * District of La Neuveville (6,083)
 * District of Moutier (23,098)

In 2010 the three districts were dissolved and merged to form the Arrondissement administratif Jura bernois.

Mergers

 * On 1 January 2014 the former municipalities of Diesse, Lamboing and Prêles merged into the new municipality of Plateau de Diesse and Plagne and Vauffelin merged into the municipality of Sauge.
 * On 1 January 2015 the former municipalities of Péry and La Heutte merged to form the new municipality of Péry-La Heutte. The former municipalities of Bévilard, Malleray and Pontenet merged to form Valbirse. Finally, Châtelat, Monible, Sornetan and Souboz merged to form Petit-Val.

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Talk:QuakeNet

What was what
A was never actually used on QuakeNet I'm afraid, also ElectionServ wasn't ever a 'service', it was just a client I ran on my home network with a single letter nick. Z did the version scanning, V just removed drones. slug -- QuakeNet oper.

if you going to remove 1 legit site you had better remove them all str33tshen -- very upset -- co-owner of ufc-pride.org

I don't know about anyone else, but i wouldn't categorize QuakeNet as stable in terms of servers splitting often ("It became popular initially because of its network stability "). --BC 21:35, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

You wouldn't therefore categorise ANY irc network as stable due to the nature of the IRC protocol(s) and more importantly the nature of The Internet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.89.7 (talk) 21:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

We are overhauling this page early 2013. I openly invite any suggestions for improvement from any helpful Wikipedia mods. Quakenet (talk) 21:17, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

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1994 FIFA World Cup qualification (CONCACAF)

Listed below are the dates and results for the 1994 FIFA World Cup qualification rounds for the North, Central American and Caribbean zone (CONCACAF).

A total of 24 CONCACAF teams entered the competition. The North, Central American and Caribbean zone was allocated 2.25 places (out of 24) in the final tournament. The United States, as hosts, qualified automatically, leaving 1.25 spot open for competition between 22 teams, because Cuba (Caribbean group) withdrew before playing.

There would be three rounds of play. Mexico and Canada received byes and advanced to the second round directly. The remaining 20 teams were divided into two zones, based on geographical considerations.

Format
In the second round, the eight teams were divided into two groups of four teams each. They played against each other on a home-and-away basis. The group winners and runners-up would advance to the final round.
 * Caribbean Zone: The 14 teams played in knockout matches on a home-and-away basis to determine three winners advancing to the second round.
 * Central American Zone: The six teams were paired up to play knockout matches on a home-and-away basis. The winners would advance to the second round.

In the final round, the four teams played against each other on a home-and-away basis. The group winner would qualify. The runner-up would advance to the CONCACAF–OFC intercontinental play-off.

First preliminary round

 * }

Puerto Rico advanced to the second preliminary round, 3–2 on aggregate.

Saint Vincent and the Grenadines advanced to the second preliminary round, 3–2 on aggregate.

Second preliminary round

 * }

2–2 on aggregate. Bermuda advanced to the first round on away goals.

Jamaica advanced to the first round, 3–1 on aggregate.

Antigua and Barbuda advanced to the first round, 4–1 on aggregate.

Suriname advanced to the first round, 3–2 on aggregate.

Trinidad and Tobago advanced to the first round, 5–1 on aggregate.

Cuba withdrew, so Saint Vincent and the Grenadines advanced to the first round automatically.

First round

 * }

Bermuda advanced to the second round, 5–1 on aggregate.

Jamaica advanced to the second round, 3–2 on aggregate.

Saint Vincent and the Grenadines alongside with Jamaica and Bermuda advanced to the second round, both matches of each teams on aggregate.

First round

 * }

Honduras advanced to the second round, 2–0 on aggregate.

El Salvador advanced to the second round, 10–1 on aggregate.

Costa Rica advanced to the second round, 5–2 on aggregate.

Group A
Mexico and Honduras advanced to the final round.

Group B
El Salvador and Canada advanced to the final round.

Qualified teams
The following two teams from CONCACAF qualified for the final tournament.
 * 1 Bold indicates champions for that year. Italic indicates hosts for that year.

Goalscorers

 * 7 goals

 * Shaun Goater
 * 🇲🇽 Francisco Uribe

 * 6 goals

 * 🇨🇦 Alex Bunbury
 * 🇸🇻 Mágico González
 * 🇸🇻 Óscar Ulloa

 * 5 goals

 * Juan Flores Madariaga
 * César Obando

 * 4 goals

 * 🇨🇦 John Catliff
 * Javier Astua
 * 🇸🇻 Carlos Castro Borja
 * 🇯🇲 Hector Wright
 * 🇲🇽 Luis García Postigo
 * 🇲🇽 Carlos Hermosillo

 * 3 goals

 * 🇦🇬 Derrick Edwards
 * 🇨🇦 Dale Mitchell
 * 🇨🇦 Domenic Mobilio
 * 🇸🇻 Milton Meléndez
 * Eduardo Bennett
 * Richardson Smith
 * Nicolás Suazo
 * 🇯🇲 Paul Davis
 * 🇲🇽 Marcelino Bernal
 * 🇲🇽 Luis Flores
 * 🇲🇽 Alberto Garcia Aspe
 * 🇲🇽 Ramón Ramírez

 * 2 goals

 * Kentoine Jennings
 * 🇨🇦 Colin Miller
 * Juan Carlos Arguedas
 * Luis Diego Arnáez
 * Austin Berry
 * Óscar Ramírez
 * Richard Smith
 * 🇩🇴 Dinardo Rodríguez
 * 🇸🇻 Mauricio Cienfuegos
 * 🇸🇻 Raúl Díaz Arce
 * 🇸🇻 Guillermo Rivera
 * Charlie Eliezar
 * 🇲🇽 Ignacio Ambríz
 * 🇲🇽 Hugo Sanchez
 * 🇲🇽 Claudio Suárez
 * 🇲🇽 José Manuel de la Torre
 * 🇲🇽 Zague
 * 🇵🇦 Víctor René Mendieta Ocampo
 * 🇱🇨 Earl Jean
 * Curtis Joseph
 * Hutson Charles

 * 1 goal

 * 🇦🇬 Quentin Clarke
 * 🇦🇬 Luke Ivor
 * 🇧🇧 Tyrone White
 * Paul Cann
 * Kyle Lightbourne
 * Neil Paynter
 * Sammy Swan
 * Kenneth Thompson
 * 🇨🇦 Geoff Aunger
 * 🇨🇦 Lyndon Hooper
 * 🇨🇦 Mark Watson
 * Rónald González Brenes
 * Hernán Medford
 * 🇸🇻 Miguel Estrada
 * 🇸🇻 William Renderos Iraheta
 * 🇸🇻 Julio Palacios Lozano
 * 🇬🇾 Kevin Archer
 * 🇬🇾 Antonhy Stanton
 * Marco Antonio Anariba
 * Eugenio Dolmo Flores
 * Alex Pineda Chacón
 * Antonio Zelaya
 * 🇯🇲 Winston Anglin
 * 🇯🇲 Ricardo Hyde
 * 🇯🇲 Peter Isaacs
 * 🇯🇲 Roderick Reid
 * 🇯🇲 Linnal Wilson
 * 🇲🇽 Francisco Javier Cruz
 * Giovanni Regales
 * César Rostrán
 * Ramiro Borja
 * Andre Espinoza
 * Marcos Lugris
 * Franco Paonessa
 * Alphonsus Brown
 * Francis Dupont
 * Rodney Jack
 * 🇸🇷 Joseph Francis
 * 🇸🇷 Eric Godlieb
 * 🇸🇷 Marciano Leyman
 * 🇸🇷 Stanley Samson
 * Brian Haynes
 * Marvin Faustin
 * Kerry Jamerson
 * Russell Latapy
 * Leonson Lewis

 * 1 own goal

 * 🇨🇦 Nick Dasovic (playing against Australia)
 * Dangelo Bautista (playing against Canada)
 * Richardson Smith (playing against Mexico)


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André Bauer

Rudolph Andreas "André" Bauer (born March 20, 1969) is an American businessman and politician who was the 87th Lieutenant Governor of South Carolina from 2003 to 2011. He is a member of the Republican Party. Bauer was a member of the South Carolina House of Representatives (1996–1999) and a member of the South Carolina State Senate (1999–2003). In 2016, he became a CNN political analyst, supporting the presidential campaign of Donald Trump. CNN dismissed Bauer in February 2019.

Early life, education, and business career
Bauer was born in Charleston, on March 20, 1969. He is the son of William R. Bauer and Saundrea Jill Bauer. He graduated from Irmo High School and received a bachelor of science in business administration from the University of South Carolina in 1991, where he was a member of Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity.

Bauer was self-employed, selling sports merchandise to national franchise stores. Bauer is also a lieutenant colonel in the Civil Air Patrol's South Carolina Wing.

Bauer has also been a Junior Achievement teacher and is a current member of the following boards: the Lake Murray Tourism and Recreation Association, the American Diabetes Association, the Columbia Visitors' Bureau, the S.C. Small Business Chamber of Commerce, and the Sons of the American Revolution.

In 2001, Bauer was recognized as Alumnus of the Year for the University of South Carolina College of Applied Professional Science. Bauer is a member of Union United Methodist Church.

Elections
Bauer served in the South Carolina House of Representatives from 1997 to 1999. In 1999, Bauer was elected to the South Carolina State Senate in a special election. He was then re-elected in the 2000 general election and served in the State Senate until his inauguration as Lieutenant Governor on January 15, 2003.

Committee assignments
He served on the Agriculture, Natural Resources and Environmental Affairs Committee.

Elections
He came in second in the Republican primary to fellow State Senator David L. Thomas of Greenville, but defeated Thomas in the runoff for the nomination. He then defeated fellow State Senator Phil P. Leventis, a Democrat from Sumter, in the 2002 general election for Lt. Governor, with more than 52 percent of the vote.
 * 2002

Bauer faced two primary challenges for re-election, and a general election in 2006. The first challenge was launched by Mike Campbell, son of former Governor Carroll A. Campbell Jr. (R). Bauer also faced Henry Jordan, founder of the South Carolina branch of the Christian Coalition. During the primaries, Bauer portrayed himself as the underdog in this three-way race, despite being an incumbent. His opponents outspent him 3 to 1 in the campaigns. In the course of the campaign, Campbell received the endorsements of former President George H. W. Bush, a friend of his father, and First Lady Jenny Sanford, the wife of Governor Mark Sanford.
 * 2006

The primary of June 13, 2006, ended with Mike Campbell receiving 47 percent of the vote, Andre Bauer 37%, and Henry Jordan 18%. As Campbell did not win a majority, he faced Bauer in a runoff election on June 27 for the Republican nomination. Bauer won the runoff with slightly over 51 percent of vote. He then narrowly defeated Democrat Robert A. Barber, Jr., a former state representative, attorney and lobbyist in the General Election. Bauer received 543,414 votes (50.08%), while Barber received 540,306 votes (49.79%).

Tenure
In 2008, Bauer supported legislation, enacted by the South Carolina General Assembly, that created a new state license plate containing the words "I Believe" and a Christian cross superimposed on a stained glass window. The legislation was challenged in the case Summers v. Adams, in which the U.S. District Court for the District of South Carolina struck down the law. In November 2009, Judge Cameron McGowan Currie ruled on summary judgment that the "I Believe" Act violated the federal Constitution, and permanently enjoined the state from issuing the plates "I Believe" state license plates. Judge Currie also noted: "The 'I Believe' Act had its genesis in Lieutenant Governor Andre Bauer’s desire to do here what had been unsuccessful in the state of Florida–to gain legislative approval of a specialty plate promoting the majority religion: Christianity. Whether motivated by sincerely held Christian beliefs or an effort to purchase political capital with religious coin, the result is the same. The statute is clearly unconstitutional and defense of its implementation has embroiled the state in unnecessary (and expensive) litigation."

In the summer of 2009, Governor Mark Sanford disappeared for several days, leading to the exposure of an adulterous affair and allegations that he had committed numerous misdemeanors. This led to an investigation by the state commission on ethics and a threat of impeachment by the legislature. Had Sanford been impeached, Bauer would have become acting governor during the trial. However, in December 2009, legislative moves to impeach Sanford collapsed as the House Judiciary Committee voted instead merely to censure him.
 * Sanford sex scandal

In January 2010, Bauer came under fire for comparing public school children who receive free lunches to stray animals who should not be fed. "My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals," Bauer said during a town hall meeting. "You know why? Because they breed. You're facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don't... think too much further than that. And so what you've got to do is you've got to curtail that type of behavior. They don't know any better." Bauer made the comment as part of an argument that people should lose government benefits if they fail drug tests or don't attend parent-teacher conferences or Parent-Teacher Association meetings. The Associated Press reported that Bauer was a child of divorce who benefited from free lunches himself.
 * Controversial comments on the poor

2010 Gubernatorial election
Andre Bauer officially announced his plans to run for governor with a statewide tour on March 22, 2010. In December 2009, former Arkansas Governor and 2008 Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee endorsed Bauer for Governor. Bauer was defeated in the Republican primary in June 2010.

2012 Congressional election
In 2012 Bauer unsuccessfully ran for the new South Carolina's 7th congressional district; however, after initially winning the primary against Tom Rice, on June 12, by 32% to 27%, he was defeated in the runoff against Rice by 56% to 44%.

Ambassadorial nomination
On July 17, 2020, President Trump nominated Bauer to be Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the United States of America to Belize. On January 3, 2021, his nomination was returned to the President under Rule XXXI, Paragraph 6 of the United States Senate.

Presidential endorsements
In January 2008, Bauer endorsed Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination.

In November 2011, Bauer endorsed Newt Gingrich for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination.

In February 2016, Bauer endorsed Donald Trump in the 2016 Republican presidential nomination.

Personal life
According to his driving record with the South Carolina Department of Motor Vehicles, Bauer has had at least two accidents, four tickets, and one suspended license for failure to pay a ticket. On May 6, 2003, Bauer was stopped on Assembly Street in downtown Columbia, South Carolina, for running two red lights and speeding up to 60 mph in a 35-mph zone. The officer drew his gun after Bauer got out of the car and began heading toward the officer's car in an "aggressive manner." He was issued a ticket for reckless driving. On December 26, 2005, Bauer got a warning for speeding (77 mph in a 65 mph zone) in Laurens County, South Carolina. On February 25, 2006, Bauer was pulled over for speeding over 100 mph in Chester County, South Carolina in a state-issued car, but he was allowed to proceed without a ticket or warning.

On May 23, 2006, Bauer was injured in a single-engine airplane crash shortly after taking off from a small airfield in Blacksburg, South Carolina. Bauer, who was the pilot of the Mooney M20E single-prop airplane, and his passenger escaped the wreckage before the plane caught fire. Bauer's passenger had only minor injuries. Bauer, however, was more seriously injured. He underwent surgery for a shattered left heel. The incident was voted "Best Political Stunt in 2006" by readers of the Free Times alternative weekly tabloid. While the factual report indicated that "best practice" procedures would have revealed that the airfield was too short to safely take off from, the findings only addressed Bauer's "failure to abort the takeoff after the airplane failed to achieve adequate airspeed on the takeoff roll for undetermined reasons." According to FAA regulations, "[t]he pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for . . . the operation of that aircraft" including determining if the aircraft is in airworthy condition and properly making the decision to abort takeoff in time to avoid a crash. Though in no way relieving Bauer of his being responsible for the crash, a June 11, 2009 court ruling points to a possible reason the airplane might not have achieved sufficient takeoff speed. Administrative Judge Richard C. Goodwin concluded “By overhauling the engine and returning it to service with incorrect bolts installed, respondent created an unnecessary risk in engine performance.”

On August 7, 2018 Bauer married Myrtle Beach real estate agent Meredith Carter.

They welcomed a son, Andrè Wesley Bauer into the world on September 10, 2019. Bauer also has one stepdaughter and twin stepsons.

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