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Theophilus Parsons

Theophilus Parsons (February 24, 1750 – October 30, 1813) was an American jurist based in Massachusetts.

Biography
Born in Newbury, Massachusetts, to a clergyman father, Parsons was one of the early students at the Dummer Academy (now The Governor's Academy) before matriculating to Harvard College. He graduated in 1769, was a schoolmaster in Falmouth (now Portland, Maine) from 1770 to 1773; he studied law, and was admitted to the bar in 1774. From 1787 to 1789, he tutored John Quincy Adams in law. In 1800, he moved to Boston.

Parsons served as chief justice of the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts from 1806 until his death in Boston in 1813. In politics, he was active as one of the Federalist leaders in the state. He was a member of the Essex County convention of 1778—called to protest against the proposed state constitution—and as a member of the "Essex Junto" was probably the author of The Essex Result, which helped to secure the constitution's rejection at the polls. He was elected a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 1781. He was also elected a member of the American Antiquarian Society in 1813.

Parsons was a member of the state constitutional convention of 1779–1780 and one of the committee of 26 who drafted the constitution. He was also a delegate to the state convention of 1788 which ratified the Federal Constitution. According to tradition, he was the author of the famous Conciliatory Resolutions, or proposed amendments to the constitution, which did much to win over Samuel Adams and John Hancock to ratification. His Commentaries on the Laws of the United States (1836) contains some of his more important legal opinions.

Parsons died in Boston in 1813. His son, also named Theophilus Parsons (1797–1882), was an author and a professor at Harvard.

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Please do not attempt to list Gay Nigger Association of America for deletion. It's been up for VfD at least a half dozen times and each time it's been listed it's just caused a great deal of animosity to no purpose. Thank you for your cooperation. Kelly Martin 23:37, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

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Blue Horses

Blue Horses or Die grossen blauen Pferde (The Large Blue Horses) is a 1911 painting by German painter and printmaker Franz Marc (1880–1916).

Background
In 1911 Marc was a founding member of Der Blaue Reiter (The Blue Rider), and was the center of a circle of German and Russian expatriate artists along with August Macke, Wassily Kandinsky, and several others whose works were seminal to the development of German Expressionism.

Analysis
This work, which represents three vividly coloured blue horses looking down in front of a landscape of rolling red hills, is characterized by its bright primary colors. According to the Encyclopædia Britannica, "the powerfully simplified and rounded outlines of the horses are echoed in the rhythms of the landscape background, uniting both animals and setting into a vigorous and harmonious organic whole." The curved lines Marc used to depict the subject are to emphasize "a sense of harmony, peace, and balance" in a spiritually-pure animal world; by viewing the work, human beings are allowed to join this harmony. Marc gave an emotional or psychological meaning or purpose to the colors he used in his work: blue was used for masculinity and spirituality, yellow represented feminine joy, and red encased the sound of violence and of base matter. Marc used blue throughout his career to represent spirituality; his use of vivid color is thought to have been an attempt to eschew the material world to evoke a spiritual or transcendental essence. This oil painting on canvas measures 41.625 inches by 71.3125 inches (unframed) and is unsigned.

This is one of Marc's earliest major works depicting animals and is one of the most important of his series of portraits of horses. It is often thought that Marc considered animals to be more pure and more beautiful than humans and, therefore, his paintings represent a pantheistic understanding of the divine or of spirituality.

Swiss painter Jean Bloé Niestlé (1884–1942) urged Marc to "capture the essence of the animal." According to art historian Gabi La Cava, for Marc, "the feeling that is evoked by the subject matter is most important"—more so than zoological accuracy.

Provenance
In 1942, Blue Horses was purchased by the Walker Art Center in Minneapolis, Minnesota through The T. B. Walker Foundation and its Gilbert M. Walker Memorial Fund. This was the first major modernist work to enter the collection.

In culture
The painting was the inspiration behind the title of a bestselling volume of poetry, Blue Horses (2014), by the American poet Mary Oliver.

Other notable animal paintings by Franz Marc

 * Gelbe Kuh (Yellow Cow) (1911)
 * Blaues Pferd I (Blue Horse I) (1911)
 * Die Kleinen Blauen Pferde (The Small Blue Horses)
 * Zwei Katzen, Blau und Gelb (Two Cats, Blue and Yellow) 1911
 * Blaues Pferdchen (Little Blue Horse) 1912
 * Der Turm der Blauen Pferde (The Tower of Blue Horses) (1913), missing since 1945.
 * Die Kleinen Gelben Pferde (The Little Yellow Horses)

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Suing for peace

Suing for peace is an act by a warring party to initiate a peace process.

Rationales
"Suing for", in this older sense of the phrase, means "pleading or petitioning for". Suing for peace is usually initiated by the losing party in an attempt to stave off an unconditional surrender. The nation holding the upper hand may find, in the losing party's offer of making peace, an opportunity for relief from the necessity of having to continue to wage a costly war.

Pressing for peace may sometimes, however, be started by the winning faction as a means to end the war for several reasons, such as if additional conflict would not be in the perceived best interest of the winning party. In that case, demands might be made, or both nations may agree to a "white peace", which is a return to the status quo ante bellum (the prewar situation).

Examples
The First Sino-Japanese War (1 August 1894 – 17 April 1895) was fought between the Qing Dynasty of China and the Empire of Japan, primarily over influence of Korea. After more than six months of unbroken successes by Japanese land and naval forces and the loss of the Chinese port of Weihaiwei, the Qing government sued for peace in February 1895.

The archives abound with attempts to halt World War I, but most attempts were unofficial and of no effect. On 2 December 1916, prior to his coronation later that month, Charles I of Austria took over the title of Supreme Commander of the army from Archduke Frederick. In 1917, he secretly entered into peace negotiations with France. He employed his brother-in-law, Prince Sixtus of Bourbon-Parma, an officer in the Belgian Army, as intermediary. The negotiations of the Sixtus Affair for a sued peace failed.

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It Happened in Sun Valley

"It Happened in Sun Valley" is a 1941 song composed by Harry Warren, with lyrics by Mack Gordon. It was recorded and featured by Glenn Miller and his orchestra in the movie Sun Valley Serenade.

Background
Glenn Miller and His Orchestra released the song as an RCA Bluebird 78 rpm single, B-11263-A, in 1941 as a tie-in with the movie, which also featured Glenn Miller and his Orchestra in a performance of the song onscreen with the cast. The B side was "The Kiss Polka", also from the Sun Valley Serenade soundtrack.

While the song makes no mention of Christmas in its lyrics, the winter theme has caused it to become associated with the holiday. Cover versions have been recorded by such artists as André Previn (on his 1955 album Let's Get Away from It All), Jo Stafford (on her 1956 album Ski Trails), the Randy Van Horne Singers (on their 1960 album Sleighride), and Mel Tormé (on his 1992 album Christmas Songs).

A version of the song is featured in the 1999 South Park Album "Mr. Hankey's Christmas Classics", sung by fictional characters Stan Marsh and Wendy Testaburger.

A version of the song was performed by British close harmony singing group The Fraser Hayes Four when they provided the musical interlude during an episode of the long running British comedy radio programme Round The Horne

Chart history
The Glenn Miller RCA Bluebird recording, B-11263-A, with "Vocal Refrain by Paula Kelly, Ray Eberle, Tex Beneke, and The Modernaires, reached #18 on the Billboard chart in 1941.

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Eric Bernt

Eric Bernt has built most of his career as a writer for Hollywood box office films. He made his directorial debut in 2005 with the movie Vegas Baby. He has given lectures at universities on the topic of screenwriting.

Writer - Filmography

 * The Echo (2008) (written by)
 * Vegas Baby (2005) (written by)
 * Highlander: Endgame (2000) (story)
 * Romeo Must Die (2000) (screenplay)
 * Virtuosity (1995) (written by)
 * Surviving the Game (1994) (written by)

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 * Vegas Baby (2005)
 * Bachelor Party Vegas (2006)

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 * Virtuosity (1995) - Building Supervisor

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Papal infallibility
I saw your edit of Papal infallibility. I disagree with your assessment that one of the exceptions to WP:WEASEL applies (which one?), but the larger issue at hand is that the entire section consists entirely of original research without a single citation to a secondary source. Unless solid secondary sources can be found, the entire section is subject to deletion under WP:NOR. Can you help find such sources? -- Cat Whisperer (talk) 22:11, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Absolute neutrophil count

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It would be helpful to put on this page what the normal ranges of the Absolute Neutrophil Count should be (approx 1500-8000 cells/mcl or cells/mm^3 of blood...taken from MedicineNet.com url: http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=20030) ToniAliAni

ANC
what are Bands that are used to calculate?
 * Bands are immature neutrophils. Not all labs report mature and immature neuts separately. WhatamIdoing 06:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Merge article
I think the content in this article fits well with, and should be merge with neutrophil granulocyte--Bwthemoose/Talk 16:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree. One is about measuring the ratio of different contents, the other is about one of the contents. It would be like merging snow and winter. Totnesmartin (talk) 10:31, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

How are the cells counted?
Could anybody please add some part to the article explaining how this counting is carried out in practice? I find it hard to believe that someone is looking through a microscope counting the cells one by one, but what is the alternative? Octonion (talk) 08:27, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It's usually done by machine, but it can be done manually, exactly as you describe. See Complete blood count.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 13:44, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

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Cernavodă culture

The Cernavodă culture, ca. 4000–3200, is a late Copper Age archaeological culture distributed along the lower Eastern Bug River and Danube and along the coast of the Black Sea and somewhat inland, generally in present-day Bulgaria and Romania. It is named after the Romanian town of Cernavodă (Bulgarian černa vodá (чёрна водá in cyrillic) means 'black water').

It is a successor to and occupies much the same area as the earlier Karanovo culture and Gumelnița culture, for which a destruction horizon seems to be evident. It is part of the "Balkan-Danubian complex" that stretches up the entire length of the river and into northern Germany via the Elbe and the Baden culture; its northeastern portion is thought to be ancestral to the Usatove culture.

It is characterized by defensive hilltop settlements. The pottery shares traits with that found further east, in the Sredny Stog culture on the south-west Eurasian steppe; burials similarly bear a resemblance to those further east.

It has been theorized that Cernavoda culture, together with the Sredny Stog (russian Средний Стог - middle (hay)stack) culture, was the source of Anatolian languages and introduced them to Anatolia through the Balkans after Anatolian split from the Proto-Indo-European language, which some linguists and archaeologists place in the area of the Sredny Stog culture.

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Talk:Rotten.com

Tone?
I don't see anything particularly wrong with the tone...? --Lenny, 1216 21 Aug 05

The article takes on a very mocking and supercilious tone. Rather surprising as wikipedia is supposed to be unopinionated and strongly NPOV. 59.93.200.18 19:12, 24 September 2006 (UTC)Xpert

Brazil
I just read the Rotten.com article on Tery Gilliam's Brazil, and it didn't have anything wrong with it (shock/porn/insults, etc.) In fact, except for the links to the 'shock' departments, this looks sort of like something I'd read in Rolling Stone. Does Rotten.com have a 'regular media' arm of some kind? -Litefantastic 01:31, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

sportsdignity
nobody seems to have mentioned it

daily rotten start date?
The article mentions that dailyrotten.com started in late 1999. However, on the main page of dailyrotten.com, under the "Viewership" heading on the sidebar, it says:

"On the first full day this page went live, 100,000 people visited this Rotten News page. Of course that was the day after the WTC attacks, so that number is somewhat distorted. Right now this page gets between 50,000 and 75,000 people every day."

Is there a citation for the early 2000 comment, or should it be changed to Sept 12, 2001?

- Eric Jan 08, 2006

From Rotten.com: "Prior to September 11 [2001], Daily Rotten was a different format, but wasn't actually updated daily. Well, we tried, but it was just too difficult to maintain that pace. Occasionally we will still write an original article in this format, and these appear here." Jerkcity 14:10, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Snopes and theft
Is it worth a mention that a portion of the photos on the site are on snopes and explained without the rotten logo, which shows that they are taken from other places in the internet? Pogo 06:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Do you want to create a "Wikipedia and Theft" section as well, for the Wikipedia article, explaining that the majority of Wikipedia photos are "stolen from the (nebulous) Internet"? The fact that a photo exists in another place without a logo is evidence of... nothing. Perhaps you have some sort of agenda...? Poledancer 07:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I would like you to show me where Wikipedia has photos stolen off the internet that are copyrighted, etc. It also shows that either Rotten took the photo and added the logo, or that some person is extremley good with photoshopping.  And yes, I have an agenda, against urban legends.  Pogo 06:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Watermarks arnt an idication of ownership anyways. --72.138.186.64 11:54, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Why was my addition deleted?
I thought since the John and Ken show in L.A. had been doing the Ghoul pool since the early 90s it was worth mentioning since the rotten.com version is almost exactly the same.
 * See Dead Pool. Jerkcity 21:58, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Warning
I have added a warning above the links. Rotten.com is extremely disturbing to some people and I thought this should be mentioned.Thomasiscool 19:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)Thomasiscool

 * 'Some people' should lighten up. The article makes it clear it may be shocking. Their 'splash' page makes it clear. Even their name and url make it clear. --72.138.186.64 11:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * ok 38.25.17.200 (talk) 00:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Kenneth Clark said that
In the section titled Rotten Library, there is a statement which quotes Sir Kenneth Clark. Being curious I checked the wiki-link leading to the Kenneth Clark article and it seems that he made that statement posthumously. He expired on May 21, 1983 whereas Rotten.com was started in 1996. I'm rather confused. Does this link redirect to the "wrong" Kenneth Clark? 59.93.200.18 19:22, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Focus of Rotten.com?
Granted, it's been a long time so I could be mistaken, but I seem to remember the first incarnations of rotten.com as having photos displayed boldy on the front page with little other content, whereas now it seems like the photos have definitely taken a backseat to other content. The photo section (on the main page, not the Boners) is rarely ever updated, and to access them you must click on the headers first. It seems like the current rotten.com is much more focused on the Daily Rotten and Rotten Library sections, and as a result is generally much tamer than many perceive it to be. Is this just my personal interpretation, or do others feel the same way? 69.175.50.2 17:25, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

When Merging the Article
Soylent Communications is the heart of the entire "rotten.com complex" and needs further research and inquiry. My opinion both of the rotten dot com and the Soylent Communications articles is that they are poorly organized and too short. In my opinion there needs be more pages written within this subject not less. Furthermore, merely merging the article won't fix the aforementioned problems. In my opinion, Soylent Communications and all of its counterparts have greatly affected popular culture as most people have been to rotten dot com and know it by name. Therefore NNDB.com and rotten dot com deserve more than a few sentences apiece and be crammed into a single vague article along with everything else. I will note however it does no good for me to just mention these changes. I'll begin to make them on my own soon. In conclusion I think it would be a mistake to merge the articles, and other problems need to be addressed. Research will be difficult as the webmaster of rotten dot com is very reclusive (as his company is also) and any input would be helpful to me getting around this problem. To elaborate more, there is almost a media blackout on this subject, I have found a few reputable articles. Any information can be left in my talk box. Unhelpful information includes reciting Wikipedia policy to me which I am already aware of. Thank you.

 * Research in Wikipedia is against policy. Please read No original research. Poledancer 06:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Please do not remove my comments. Please also read Help:Talk_page. Please read especially the part where it says in bold, Do not edit other user's comments. You have already removed my comment twice. Please leave it in place. Please leave this comment in place as well. You are being very rude. This discussion is for everyone, not just for you. It is not your personal talk page. Poledancer 02:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Understood. What I also understand is that Wikipedia is not supposed to be a dull bureaucracy, then again when people merely chant policies it makes it seem as so. I just felt that you were being a busybody and actually had nothing of significance to add to my comment. Thank you for the clarification however, I actually appreciate it.

Splitting
There is absolutely no justifiable reason to split this article into multiple pieces, as one person has suggested. Quatloo 04:35, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it seems many areas need elaboration and some new articles need to be written. There's justification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.228.133.248 (talk)

 * None of the subtopics merit a standalone article, and one would be hard-pressed to come up with one that would. Nobody has made any case otherwise. Nobody has so much as mentioned what one of these "multiple pieces" would be. Quatloo 07:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Penis Fish
This article mentions Penis Fish but I can't find any evidence of that ever existing.

It does seem odd to mention this penis fish thing as being notable, but not saying what it is or providing a link to it JayKeaton 23:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I never go to Rotten.com, and even I know what Penis Fish is. Geeky Randy 21:21, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Here's a link for it: http://web.archive.org/web/20020401000000*/http://vatican.rotten.com/fish/penisfish.jpg You can find it in the Wayback Machine.

Gaia Online picture -- from here?
I have no idea. It was awful!

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 * Farid
 * Idir 105.109.147.223 (talk) 17:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Imagery
Perhaps we could put down a picture from rotten.com to illustrate their (the image's) provenancy.--Cymbelmineer (talk) 12:39, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Why no mention of rotten library
Artice fails to mention the best (IMNSHO) part of the site namely the rotten library ? Some quite interesting well written and researched material on a wide range of topics on there. Maybe wikipedia are afraid of competition :-) ?

The Internet and cats
Please swing by and help improve this new article! :D--Coin945 (talk) 03:30, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

What is rotten.com for ?
Originally rotten.com appears to have been set up for the purposes of (jugging by the sites own FAQ page ) making some kind of point about freedom of speech online but after a few years evolved into a promotional vehicle for a number of pornographic websites (judging by the extensive linking and the statements about how taking out a subscription "is the best way to support rotten") which the site owners appear to have an interest in. (They don't appear to be in the business of selling tshirts anymore) In recent years the lack of updates on rotten (and most of its affiliated sites) apperars to have suggest (as per aforementioned FAQ) that the website owner(s) is/are no longer single ?

Do the sites obvious connections with aforementioned pornographic websites merit a mention in the article ? 90.202.231.149 (talk) 12:34, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Boners.com
currently redirects to this article, likely because there used to be a section about boner.com here, but this was removed a few years ago by an IP. The redirect has been nominated for deletion at Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 May 16 and your input would be appreciated. Thryduulf (talk) 14:01, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

rotten library author
The article seems unsure of who the rotten library author was. I thought it was common knowledge amongst rotten library readers that noted journalist JM Berger contributed the entries.

Indeed, I have sourced an old page from his current site where he links back to the rotten library, proclaiming himself as the author of at least one article. Perhaps it is worth mentioning, as Mr Berger is fairly established as a journalist and author in his own right.

See : http://news.intelwire.com/2004/12/debunking-and-rebunking-september-11.html?m=1

86.21.45.14 (talk) 03:17, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

 * To me it was clear that the articles in the Library were written by multiple different people (the prose feeling different), and that the ones about "Al-Qaeda and the Assassins" and the like are written by someone with an academic background in Islamist/Jihadist stuff. Spafky (talk) 12:15, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Biobío River

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No specifics mentioned by Cantus in his opposition to the neutrality of the article. Only the template. However the facts are that. The Biobío was one of the best whitewater rafting trips in the world. It did have a trip that lasted 7 days. There was widespread opposition to the  the building of the dam and indigenous people were displaced. I have not mentioned the threat to several wildlife species in the article due to Endesa's building of the dam.

References are readily available including the neutral, (or so  I would assume  seeing as it is a mere travel guide and produced with co-operation from  Chilean  Govt. sources), Chile Experience  ISBN 956-7264-79-1. Quote "In the early 1980's, the Rio Biobío was catapulted to international fame as one of the worlds greatest whitewater trips: It wasn't hype, either: the original Biobío trip was a seven-day romp through forgotten wilderness inhabited by a living indigneous culture, past bubbling hotsprings at the foot of a smoking volcano, with (as the first descent team described it) ' more rapids in a single day than are run in twelve days on the Colorado, and a couple as big as the biggest in the Grand Canyon" Despite all the press, nothing could save  the Biobio from the depredations of Endesa, Chile's national power company (now a privatized and in Spanish hands). In 1996 highly controversial Pangue dam drowned the Royal flush canyon and the Canyon of the 100 Waterfalls, reducing the whitewater section to 3 days. Now construction has begun on Ralco, which will cut off flow through the remaining Class V canyon. But the greatest tragedy of the Biobío -Chile's longest and most historically significant river- is the displacement of the Pehuenche Indian families who have inhabited the valley for centuries."

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There are other sources available with which I won't go into here which reflect very poorly on Endesa.

I make no apologies for using the words "sadly" or "enviromental destruction " which is perhaps an understatement. It would be helpful if Cantus could attempt to explain where his objection lies or why he does not merely edit the article. That is why everyone has the edit facility, I thought. I have not made any objection to him modifying the article or his attempting to show Endesa in a more favourable light, and in fact would welcome such discussion. Conce 23:44, 2005 August 18 (UTC)

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Derawar Fort

Derawar Fort (Punjabi, ) is a fortress in Ahmadpur East Tehsil of Bahawalpur District in the Punjab, Pakistan. Approximately 20 km south of the city of Ahmedpur East, the forty bastions of Derawar are visible for many miles in the Cholistan Desert. The walls have a perimeter of 1500 metres and stand up to thirty metres high.

History
The Cholistan Desert comprises the western region of the Thar Desert in modern Pakistan, where archaeological evidence is present that the area was once inhabited by an Indus Valley culture. This culture once used the Hakra River to support their agricultural lifestyle. Although the river changed its flow, and the environment is now inhabitable, there remains evidence of up to a dozen fort structures. Derawar Fort is the best surviving structure of the remaining ruins.

Derawar fort was built in the 9th century AD by Rai Jajja Bhati, a Hindu Rajput ruler of the Bhati clan, as a tribute to emperor Rawal Deoraj Bhati of Jaisalmer and residents of  Bahawalpur. The fort was initially known as Dera Rawal, and later referred to as Dera Rawar, which with the passage of time came to be pronounced Derawar, its present name.

In the 18th century, the fort was taken over by Muslim Nawabs of Bahawalpur from the Shahotra tribe. It was later renovated in its current form in 1732 by the Abbasi ruler Nawab Sadeq Muhammad, but in 1747 the fort slipped from their hands owing to Bahawal Khan's preoccupations at Shikarpur. Nawab Mubarak Khan took the stronghold back in 1804. 1,000 year-old catapult shells were found in the debris near a decaying wall in the fort.

Nawab Sadeq Muhammad Khan Abbasi V, the 12th and last ruler of Bahawalpur state, was born in the fort in 1904.

Derawar Fort was eventually taken over by the British and was used to house prisoners, as well as hang unlucky inmates.

Google Doodle made a doodle of Derawar Fort to celebrate Pakistan's 75 Independence Day. According to Google, the fort symbolizes Pakistani adaptability and antiquity.

Structure
The fort is a massive and visually stunning square structure built of clay bricks. The walls have a length of 1500 meters and stand up to thirty meters high. There are forty circular bastions, ten on each side, which stand 30 m high and are visible across the desert for many miles. Each bastion is intricately decorated with patterns cut into the brick. The interior provides evidence of structures decorated with tile and fresco artwork.

Derawar is just one example of the wide variety of forms derived from square brick. These particular forms date back to between the 16th and 18th centuries, though some renovations date as early as the 9th century.

Renovation
The Fort was later renovated in its current form in 1732 by the Abbasi ruler Nawab Sadeq Muhammad. In 2019 the provincial government has earmarked a sum of Rs46 million to resume the conservation of Derawar Fort, an iconic edifice located in Cholistan desert near Bahawalpur. The major work has been completed including conservation of a food grain warehouse outside the fort, underpinning of damaged parts on the front and south-eastern sides of the fort’s bastion, walls and platform, underpinning of the north-eastern side of the bastion and the walls, the interior of the fort and the sloped flooring leading to baradari and walls adjacent to the main gate.

Despite renovation, the site faces extreme deterioration and neglect. Though the outside structure serves as an important example of history and landscape, the interior is falling apart due to severe weather conditions and disrespectful visitors and tourists. The woodwork is almost completely gone, along with the interior floor deteriorating to shambles.

Visiting Derawar
The trip to Derawar is a full day excursion requiring a three to four hour four-wheel drive led by local guides. In order to access the interior of Derawar, it requires permission from the Abbasi Family, as it is privately owned.

Each year a jeep rally is held in the Cholistan Desert that is attended by people from all over the world. Due to its popularity, it is estimated to be visited by more than 70,000 people. The rally passes through three districts in the desert.

UNESCO tentative list
Derawar and the Desert Forts of Cholistan was submitted by the Pakistan Government in 2016 to be considered as a World Heritage Site. The structures are reminiscent of ancient stops during trading routes in a desert largely lacking water. Derawar especially allowed access to water, while providing defense and shelter. The site is important due to its role in identifying political and social factors relating to Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India trading routes.

Derawar is being considered under criterion (iii) which has to do with providing an important example of infrastructure designed to meet the environmental circumstances of the hostile desert while providing insight into ancient trade and culture, as well criterion (v) that claims Derawar is an exceptional example of the interaction of architecture with the limited environmental resources.

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Denasalization

In phonetics, denasalization is the loss of nasal airflow in a nasal sound. That may be due to speech pathology but also occurs when the sinuses are blocked from a common cold, when it is called a nasal voice, which is not a linguistic term. Acoustically, it is the "absence of the expected nasal resonance." The symbol in the Extended IPA is ⟨◌͊⟩.

When one speaks with a cold, the nasal passages still function as a resonant cavity so a denasalized nasal does not sound like a voiced oral stop, and a denasalized vowel  does not sound like an oral vowel.

However, there are cases of historical or allophonic denasalization that have produced oral stops. In some languages with nasal vowels, such as Paicĩ, nasal consonants may occur only before nasal vowels; before oral vowels, prenasalized stops are found. That allophonic variation is likely to be from a historical process of partial denasalization.

Similarly, several languages around Puget Sound underwent a process of denasalization about 100 years ago. Except in special speech registers, such as baby talk, the nasals became the voiced stops. It appears from historical records that there was an intermediate stage in which the stops were prenasalized stops or poststopped nasals.

Something similar has occurred with word-initial nasals in Korean; in some contexts, are denasalized to. The process is sometimes represented with the IPA and, which simply places the IPA  denasalization diacritic on  and  to show the underlying phoneme.

In speech pathology, practice varies in whether ⟨m͊⟩ is a partially denasalized, with ⟨b⟩ for full denasalization, or is a target whether it is partially denasalized  or a fully denasalized.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tomaz Pisanski

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Sjakkalle (Check!)  11:25, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Tomaz Pisanski
non-notable biograpy CH (talk) 18:58, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

 * *Delete. Although I could be wrong, particularly in this case, but if so, someone who knows should expand the biography to tell us about at least one truly notable mathematical achievement of the subject.  And yes, sorry, I didn't follow the correct procedure correctly the first time.  Thanks to Oleg for helping me out with that.---CH  (talk) 18:58, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. He appears distinguished, but not at the level I think is required for a Wikipedia article.  --C S 18:52, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep, a full professor who has been advisor for nine Ph.D. students, and claims to be co-founder of a newspaper. More notable than the average professional baseball player. Uppland 21:06, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Another question for Uppland: if his grounds for notability are that he founded a newspaper, shouldn't the biography explain the signficance of this newspaper? Or again, re the Order of Merit: I have no idea what that means.  Shouldn't the article tell me?  If this information doesn't convince any fair minded individual that the recipient is indeed suitable for inclusion in an English language encyclopedia, maybe the biography should go?---CH  (talk) 22:27, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Part of the job of being a professor is to be an advisor, so that part is not notable. So his claim to notability, according to you, rests strictly on co-founding a newspaper.  Well, is this a real newspaper or more like a newsletter?  --C S 00:08, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Part of the job of being a professor is to be an advisor, so that part is not notable. - That is a non sequitur, as it is dependent on how you evaluate things in the first place. Part of the job of being a professional baseball player is playing baseball. Besides all kinds of Pokemon cruft, Wikipedia includes anyone who plays any sport professionally, mostly people of no interest except to the fans of that particular team. This, admittedly, is rather convenient, as it avoids most VfD discussions over sportspeople, so I don't really want to change it. But, to use CH's comparison below, I do not consider a baseball hall-of-famer to be anywhere close in status to somebody winning a major, international scientific award like the Fields Medal. Uppland 05:28, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * It may be a non sequitur, but it's one that you brought up! You're the one that mentioned him as a "full professor who has been advisor for nine Ph.D. students".  If you are now admitting that it was irrelevant, and you just meant to mention that he is a full professor, fine.  But don't bring something up as if it were relevant and then call my criticism of its relevancy a "non sequitur".

 * As for your position...I was just thinking the other day I would use a bot to input in every professor listed in the AMS directory into Wikipedia. I hope you will support any VFD's that occur over that!  --C S 16:32, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

 * Whoa! I hope you're kidding, CS!  Please don't create mindless lists here.  Why on earth would anyone want to duplicate here a snapshot of the AMS directory?  Who are you trying to help?  Disgruntled students eager to spam every math professor in North America?  You'd just make a list which would updated irregularly at best, so unreliable, and God forbid some drone should decide to move arbitrary articles from your list into categories like this one.  That would be terrible, because we want to help math students at all levels get a quick impression of who some of the major figures in field F are, and of course what their major contributions were.  As I see it, that's the whole point of these darned VfDs!  I wouldn't bother if I didn't see potential degradation of the utility of Wikipedia as an encyclopedia, which is supposed to be the overarching purpose, yes?---CH  (talk) 08:43, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * It was not meant seriously. My main motivation in these VFDs so far is that unless a person is just super-famous, they should have some particular reason for being on Wikipedia, so their bios aren't orphaned.  If there is an interesting math result that would link to their bio, great.  Otherwise, there should be some particularly compelling reason other than "there's already a lot of junk on Wikipedia".  I believe that now all the three persons you originally listed for VFD have futures on Wikipedia because they have some results that somebody will hopefully create pages for.  --C S 03:56, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

 * I believe Hillman's comparison was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. However, you've made your stance clear.  You are not so concerned with the rationale, but how many VFD discussions you can avoid.  I can certainly see the appeal in that position, but I find it sad nonetheless.  --C S 16:45, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

 * Personally, I find it sad that you feel a need to misconstrue what I have actually written. Uppland 18:01, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I suppose this could go on forever, so I'll just stop with this. You wrote right above that Wikipedia has articles on non-notable professional athletes, but you "don't really want to change it" because it conveniently avoids many VFD discussions.  Which part of that did I misconstrue?   Since you've made no effort to explain the newspaper angle or why being a professor is so noteworthy except to explain how convenient it is to allow cruft, how could I do anything else than "misconstrue" your position as I did?  --C S 23:45, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep, passes the "average professional baseball player" test. Kappa 22:34, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't see how. Care to explain your reasoning?  --C S 00:08, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

 * Exactly! Kappa, to me (and I guess to CS), the analogies run something like this:
 * earned a Ph.D.: made the local Little League team
 * serves on the math faculty at some uni: plays AAA Minor League professional baseball
 * won tenure or obscure award: got a pat on the back from the team after a big game
 * made a major contribution to mathematics: set a significant major league baseball record
 * recieved an internationally known mathematics award: recieved MVP award
 * recieved Field's Medal: entered Hall of Fame
 * Do you see what I am trying to say? ---CH (talk) 02:42, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete; does Slovenia have an Order of Merit? this list doesn't think so; and it's not on Prof. Pisanski's resume. Septentrionalis 22:56, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I think you'll find it's called the Order for Services. It wouldn't be on a military medals page. Clair de Lune 02:55, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Professor Pisanski was awarded what is called Red za zasluge, which can be liberally translated to "Order of Merit". According to a national law, this ranks in the middle of 7 orders and medals that can be awarded by the President of Slovenia, them being "Red za izredne zasluge" (Order of exceptional merit), "Zlati red za zasluge" (Golden order of merit), "Srebrni red za zasluge" (Silver order of merit), "Red za zasluge" (Order of merit), "Medalja za zasluge" (Medal of merit), "Medalja za hrabrost" (Medal of courage) and "Medalja za castno dejanje" (Medal of honourable act). --Peterlin 13:44, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep, mostly verifiable (Order of Merit statement possibly excepted). JYolkowski // talk 00:26, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. Exceeds bar set by precedent. Clair de Lune 02:46, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * What precedent? The sports pages metaphor?  Please note that I propose that we use a more appropriate standard for the math categories in the Wikipedia.---CH  (talk) 08:35, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Random professor Pilatus 05:02, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, non-notable professor. Nandesuka 12:47, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep — published 80 research papers, &c., &c. Appears notable. — RJH 16:05, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * It's not clear that publishing 80 papers alone makes one notable. I've seen C.V.s cluttered with scads of nonsense or almost identical "papers", even in math.  No idea about this man's C.V.; I'm just saying that this alone is a worthless criterion for math biographies.  Really, evidence of widespread recognition of significant work is the touchstone.  There are plenty of ways to validate that criterion, e.g. by checking for mention in good review papers, in relevent textbooks (using common sense; very recent work probably won't be in the textbooks yet, e.g Wile's theorem took several years to make it into a proper textbook), etc.

 * I think the lesson which is emerging here is that non-mathematicians should be circumspect about creating math biographies; if you can't convince the math literate users that the subject is mathematically notable, then unless you're writing about someone who achieved notoriety in a non-mathematical context, expect the article to be proposed for deletion repeatedly.---CH (talk) 08:35, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Clear lack of notability. Dottore So 18:14, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep seems notable.  Grue  19:01, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. He was my professor of Discrete Mathematics II at the Faculty of Mathematics and Physics in Ljubljana. Demokracija was notable (although political, not mathematical) Slovenian newspaper back then. He was also chairman of the DMFA in 1998-1999. I'm not sure what Order of Merrit means, but I wouldn't be surprised if he won some national award. --romanm (talk) 17:47, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi, Romanm, I'm glad you enjoyed (apparently) taking the course, but if you really meant to imply that "he was my professor once" is grounds for notability, I doubt very many would agree with you! Founding a now defunct newspaper in Slovenia?  Might be notable enough for the Slovenian language wikipedia, but is that really notable enough for the English language one?  How many newspapers have been founded around the world in the past two centuries?  We don't even have every "notable at the time" civil war era American newspaper listed here, much less obscure defunct ones in other languages! ---CH  (talk) 08:27, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * If something is a valid topic for Wikipedia edition in one language, it should be a valid topic for all other languages. That "sum of all human knowledge" thing.  Grue  13:30, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I read Romanm's comment more as an affirmation that professor Pisanski is a real professor teaching at a real university. But this, I believe, was never questioned anyway. --Peterlin 13:44, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * That's right, I certainly never had any doubt that he exists, that his uni exists, that he works there as a professor, or the other facts of his life as given in the article. My problem is that no-one has told me why any of that information is sufficiently interesting to belong in an encyclopedia article.  The only cure is for someone to describe a clearly interesting/important mathematical result clearly enough for me to agree that P has done something sufficiently notable in mathematics (or for some other good reason) for these mundane details (that he exists, where he went to school, where he works) to possibly interest a general audience in an English language encyclopedia.  Again, my problem is simply this: I don't think it should happen that after reading a Wikipedia biography, a general reader has no idea why anyone would think that the subject is sufficiently notable for such a biography.---CH  (talk) 07:12, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Unfortunalety, I cannot do that. I am not a specialist in this field, and after having a brief glance at your presentation page, I actually believe I know about graph theory much less than you do. Still, even though I have a rather high oppinion about your credentials, I don't believe the decision on whether to keep or delete a biography should be left to an individual's "feeling". We do need an agreed-on set of criteria about what qualifies for a matematics biography and what does not. And, unless I am wrong, we don't have it yet. Furthermore, as I argue below, I believe that the question you have opened concerns more the organization of articles in a usable manner rather than the sole existance of articles. Cluttering the Wikipedia might indeed be felt as a problem when you browse the article. Often, however, you simply search for a particular article, either using Google or Wikipedia search function. There, having more articles are a clear bonus. OTOH, I would speculate though that the ratio between searching and browsing the English Wikipedia is higher among non-native speakers of English, who often just try to find a particular article rather than browse a category. --Peterlin 08:46, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. I see two principal problems concerning deletion of the article.

 * Without clearly defined rules, I wouldn't have the guts to call any professional in any field "non-notable". There are of course many possible ways where to cut the list, e.g. a theorem is named after him/her, is a recipient of Fields Medal, is the editor of a major scientific journal (what is a "major" scientific journal? measured by its impact factor?), has published an important scientific monograph (what is an "important" monograph?), won a tenure, earned a PhD, etc. Any criterion is equally legitimate, if it is agreed on. Wikipedia not being limited by paper, I would vote for a wider coverage rather than a narrower, but this is just my oppinion. But first of all we need an agreement about who does qualify as "notable" and does not.

 * With English being a modern lingua franca, I believe that the "English" Wikipedia should strive to serve as a reference aimed at an audience wider than Americans, Englishmen, Scotsmen, Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders put together. English Wikipedia continues to grow and mature not only because of the contributions of native English speakers, but also because of the contributions of other peoples around the world. I am also not sure there is a consensus about which topics are interesting and important enough for the English speaking readers to be included in the English language Wikipedia. The argument doesn't hold even if the English language Wikipedia would be limited to native English speaking world. We probably all agree that articles in geography, zoology or botany describing topics not present in the English speaking world should remain in the English language Wikipedia. What is so different with biographies of foreign nationals? I am actually surprised by these cleansing tendencies in the English Wikipedia. Personally, I would be delighted to have short biographies of all American professors of mathematics along with all American professional baseball players in the Slovenian Wikipedia, and the only problem concerning this I percieve is that probably nobody is willing to write them up.--Peterlin 13:44, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi, Peterlin, I agree with you that the English language Wikipedia is also the default lingua franca encyclopedia, and should strive to serve students and people all over the world. My concern is precisely that allowing unlimited cruft, particulary in the math pages to clutter up the encyclopedia will cause it to become unusable.  Specifically: there are enough truly "notable" mathematicians to populate categories like Category:Algebraic graph theory with a dozen or more biographies.  I feel that we need to keep the number of articles in each category to a few dozen at the most, but I hate to think of creating an even more complicated category tree than is already forced upon the math editors by the complexity of our subject.  This is why I say that we can't get away with applying rules which originate in the sports pages everywhere, certainly not in the math pages.

 * I take it everyone noticed that after finding one of the other two is cited in a review paper I respect, I changed my vote to a weak keep for that individual. I still feel that the case has not been made that the remaining two individuals are anywhere near notable to require a biography here.  They might well be notable enough for the Slovenian wikipedia, but what about the Urdu wikipedia?   The Finnish wikipedia?  Are they notable enough for these, or for the English/lingua franca wikipedia?  I think, clearly not.---CH  (talk) 07:12, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I think I understand your concern. But I believe that it mostly concerns the organization of lists and categories, rather than the existance of the articles itself. It is completely clear to me that all the profesors of mathematics from around the world can not fit onto, say, a List of Mathematicians. The same goes for the categories. I believe though that with introducing a proper hierarchy a biography list can still remain manageable. I agree with you though that we don't want Category:Algebraic graph theory being cluttered by thousands (I am wildly guessing the number of people working in this field) of biographies of researchers. But I would move them to a separate subcategory within this category, say Category:Researchers in algebraic graph theory or simply Category:Algebraic graph theorists, then, once necessary, subdivide this category alphabetically, by country, by field of work or by some other means. There can be of course also some wiser way of organizing categories – from the usability point of view, there is probably some maximal depth of hierarchies that should not be exceeded without harming the usability of the Wikipedia itself. As for your other question – I cannot speak on behalf of the Urdu Wikipedia, but I certainly wouldn't mind having the content of Urdu Wikipedia – including the biographies of all Pakistani professors present there – translated to Slovenian and appearing in Slovenian wikipedia.  With a proper organization, I don't believe they can harm anybody. Considering the number of people fluent in both Urdu (the situation with Finnish is a little better, but not much) and Slovenian, I don't consider this a realistic option, though. In fact, the most likely way for Slovenian Wikipedia to ever get some potentially interesting article from the Urdu Wikipedia is that the article is translated from Urdu to English and published in the English Wikipedia. --Peterlin 08:46, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi, Peterlin, yes, I think we agree on many points. You are right, I have no objection in principle to mindless lists, I just want to be sure cruft doesn't adversely affect the experience of readers who really need to find some information here.  Of course it occured to me that one can try to handle this by moving cruft into tailor-made "cruft categories", but my objections to that are:
 * it is all too easy for vandals to move cruft right back, in fact to move articles arbitrarily.  You probably know some robovandals are doing just that; so far, this hasn't been a huge problem in these pages, but it's worrisome because even the small amount of this which has happened so far has clearly been a real headache for the admins.
 * to whom would the task of this endless subdivision of mindless categories to organize all the cruft fall? Why, to those who care about not impacting the experience of serious students, namely you and I!  I don't have time to spend doing that, and you probably don't either.
 * Unless "cruft control" can be automated (potentially dangerous, since recognizing cruft might sometimes require expert judgement), I still think it's only a matter of time before everyone sees cruft as a serious problem. Maybe participants in the Math Wiki project should set up a page to discuss formulating an "official policy".  I am still a neophyte in such things, so I don't really know how policy issues are handled here.---CH  (talk) 11:18, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep, White-Pisanski method is listed in the table of contents of a Dover classic http://web.doverpublications.com/cgi-bin/toc.pl/0486417417. Tomo 01:43, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep This looks good. I'm changing my original delete vote.  In addition, the book's authors appear well-known and have collaborated with Pisanski.  --C S 03:50, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

 * lukewarm Keep. Good work, Tomo, if this is indeed P's most important contribution, the author of the original article (that wasn't you, was it?) should ahve described the result and why it is important in algebraic graph theory.  Can you please do that?  Otherwise someone else will come along and start another VfD on the same grounds that I did!

 * Hmm... just noticed that "Tomo" might be short for "Tomaz", as in "TP". I have no reason to think "Tomo" is TP, but this raises another point about mathematical biographies. The Wiki guidelines apparently do allow people to write their own biographies, so long as the article is factual/NPOV, and so long as the subject clearly meets the "notability" criterion.  (As I think we've seen here, this criterion might be too imprecise, and setting the bar too low might cripple Wikipedia as more robovandals become active here, simply because the more articles exist, the harder it is to organize them, keep track of them, e.g. move them back when WoW moves them.  So even if "Tomo" really were TP, my principal objection would not be to "self-promotion", but to failure to explain why TP is notable to mathematical audience which presumably includes the users most likely folk to be browsing Category:Algebraic graph theory.  The current article makes no case at all that will impress we hard-nosed "show me" mathminded users, so, please, Tomo, fix up the article to explain why TP is notable.  And why not write a biography of White?  And improve the biography of Tutte, someone we all agree is a truly notable figure in math history?  TIA---CH  (talk) 11:18, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep, He has made several interesting contributions to the graph theory. -- Naive cynic 15:00, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Worth Valley

Worth Valley is a ward in the City of Bradford Metropolitan District Council, West Yorkshire. The population of the ward taken at the 2011 Census was 14,387. It is named after the River Worth that runs through the valley to the town of Keighley where it joins the River Aire. In the north it is bounded by North Yorkshire, in the west by Lancashire and in the south by Calderdale District.

Ward
Worth Valley ward is a semi-rural area and the largest of the six wards that make up the constituency of Keighley in West Yorkshire. Historically, it elects mostly Conservative councillors, except in 2004, when a representative of the British National Party was returned to Bradford District Council. The previous councillor stated that this was a protest vote that "went disastrously wrong."

It contains the Keighley villages of Oakworth, Oldfield, Haworth, Cross Roads, Oxenhope and Stanbury; areas of farmland; and large expanses of moorland. Its attractive villages, particularly Haworth and its Pennine landscape are at the heart of Brontë Country and attract many visitors.

Councillors
Worth Valley ward is represented on Bradford Council by three Conservative councillors; Rebecca Poulsen, Chris Herd and Russell Brown. In 2017, before the 2018 elections, Glen Miller was deselected as a prospective councillor by the Keighley and Ilkley Conservative Association. Miller stated that he tended to speak his mind and that he had disagreed with a policy about letting members of other political parties leave and join the Conservatives.

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Notable people with Worth Valley links
The following people were born in the Worth Valley, have lived there in the past or are currently resident in the valley.

 * Brontë Sisters, lived in the village of Haworth
 * Anne. (1820–1849), Novelist
 * Charlotte, (1816–1855), Novelist
 * Emily, (1818–1848), Novelist
 * Branwell Brontë, (1817–1848), painter and poet
 * Rev Patrick Brontë, (1777–1861), clergyman and writer
 * Eric Pickles, Conservative MP, started his political career as a councillor in the Worth Valley Ward

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Peter B. Gillis

Peter B. Gillis (December 19, 1952 – June 20, 2024) was an American comic book writer best known for his work at Marvel Comics and First Comics in the mid-1980s, including the series Strikeforce: Morituri and the digitally drawn comic series Shatter.

Biography
Peter B. Gillis' first work in the comics industry was as a freelance writer for Marvel Comics. His first published comics story was "Saturday Night Furor" in Captain America #224 (Aug. 1978). He then wrote various issues of Marvel Two-In-One, What If...?, and Super-Villain Team-Up from 1978 to 1980. The irregular publishing frequency of the final issues of Super-Villain Team-Up was due to a legal maneuver to prevent DC Comics from trademarking the term "supervillain". Starting in 1980, Gillis then worked as editorial director for the Florida-based publisher New Media Publishing's new line of magazines; he left that position in June 1981.

He is best known for the digital comic Shatter (1985–1988) and First Comics' Warp (1983–1985). Gillis co-created Strikeforce: Morituri (1986–1988) with artist Brent Anderson. Gillis wrote the entire runs of Micronauts: The New Voyages (1984–1986) and Strange Tales vol. 2 (1987–1988); other Marvel work included numerous issues of What If (1980–1984), The Defenders (1984–1986), The Eternals vol. 2 (1985–1986), Doctor Strange vol. 2 #76–81 (1986–1987) and Doctor Strange, Sorcerer Supreme #1–4 (1988–1989). The Defenders was Gillis's first ongoing assignment; he recounted, "I had been working for a while at Marvel, and was constantly pumping for more work, and specifically a series of my own. So when I heard DeMatteis was leaving Defenders, I was in [editor] Carl Potts' office like a shot, and I got the gig."

His creations for other companies include Blaze Barlow and the Eternity Command and the Black Flame for First Comics; and Gammarauders, a tie-in to the Gamma World role-playing game, for DC Comics' short-lived TSR Games line. He also wrote the science-fiction miniseries Tailgunner Jo with art by Tom Artis for DC.

Gillis returned to comics in 2010 when he wrote the six-issue comic adaptation of Peter S. Beagle's The Last Unicorn for IDW Publishing.

Gillis who lived in Earlville New York, for several years also served on the Earlville Free Library's board. He also served as the library's treasury liaison. Gillis died in Albany, New York on June 20, 2024, at the age of 71.

Comico

 * Justice Machine #13 (1988)

DC Comics

 * Gammarauders #1–10 (1989)
 * Tailgunner Jo #1–6 (1988–1989)
 * Teen Titans Spotlight #20 (Cyborg) (1988)

First Comics

 * First Adventures #1–4 (1985–1986)
 * Grimjack #7, 31 (1985–1987)
 * Jon Sable, Freelance #25 (1985)
 * Mars #2–8 (1984)
 * Shatter #1–12 (1985–1987)
 * Starslayer #20–33 (1984–1985)
 * Warp #1–19, Special #1–3 (1983–1985)

IDW Publishing

 * The Last Unicorn #1–6 (2010)

Marvel Comics

 * Avengers Spotlight #21 (1989)
 * Bizarre Adventures #30 (1982)
 * Black Panther vol. 2 #1–4 (1988)
 * Captain America #224, 238–239, 246, Annual #7 (1978–1983)
 * The Defenders #131–152 (1984–1986)
 * Doctor Strange vol. 2 #74, 76–81 (1985–1987)
 * Doctor Strange, Sorcerer Supreme #1–4 (1988–1989)
 * Eternals vol. 2 #1–8 (1985–1986)
 * Iron Man Annual #5–6 (1982–1983)
 * John Carter, Warlord of Mars #28 (1979)
 * Marvel Comics Presents #20, 22, 61, 65 (1989–1990)
 * Marvel Fanfare #8 (Doctor Strange) (1983)
 * Marvel Premiere #54 (Caleb Hammer) (1980)
 * Marvel Super-Heroes vol. 2 #3 (1990)
 * Marvel Two-in-One #45, 51 (1978–1979)
 * Master of Kung Fu #102 (1981)
 * Micronauts #59 (1984)
 * Micronauts vol. 2 #1–20 (1984–1986)
 * Savage Sword of Conan #169 (1990)
 * Solo Avengers #16, 18, 20 (1989)
 * Strange Tales vol. 2 #1–19 (Doctor Strange) (1987–1988)
 * Strikeforce: Morituri #1–20 (1986–1988)
 * Super-Villain Team-Up #16–17 (1979–1980)
 * Thor Annual #12 (1984)
 * The Tomb of Dracula vol. 2 #5 (1980)
 * What If...? #18–19, 23, 25, 29–30, 40, 42–47 (1979–1984)
 * What If Special #1 (1988)
 * What The--?! #1–2, 5–6, 17 (1988–1992)

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