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Talk:Misirlou

"Misirlou" refer to Muslim Egyptian woman
I think Greeks of that time when they said "Misirlou" (Μισιρλού), they referred to only the Muslim Egyptian women and they didn't call all the Egyptian women like that. On the other hand, when they referred to a Christian Egyptian woman they called her as "Αιγυπτιώτισσα".Gre regiment (talk) 14:05, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

"Misirlou" related to Judaism?"
How come the page carries the Project Judaism tag? The song is clearly of Asia Minor/Eastern Mediterranean folk origin. As with most folk songs, it is not possible to trace its author/composer. I consider it misguided to tag it with any specific ethnic tag, be it Judaic, Greek or Turk. The Gnome 05:06, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Removed -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:48, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

The article mentions that it is a popular Jewish (Klezmer) song, sometimes with Yiddish lyrics. It should be mentioned that it is specifically associated as wedding dance music. Occasionally, the tune is also incorporated into Jewish liturgy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.232.230.52 (talk) 15:10, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

"Misirlou" Turkish?
So far as I know the word 'Misirlou' is Turkish. In Ottoman Turkish it was Misirlu and now in modern Turkish it is called Misirli. Certainly it does mean 'Egyptian'. It has nothing to do with the Greek tongue.

 * In fact, it is an Arabic word, مصر (as the article indicates). That's what the Egyptians call themselves. Both the Turkish words and the Greek word derive from that. The Hebrew word for Egypt sounds very similar too, it is not a coincidence.

 * In any case, even if the song was called Baklava, since it was originally written in the Greek language and had a Greek lyrics, the name should first be spelled in Greek (with pointers to any relevant word derivation if needed).

 * Regards, Sysin 22:45, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Just one point, the word 'Misr' is an Arabic one, and the Turkish counterpart 'Misir' of course derives from that word. But the word 'Misirlu' or 'Misirli' is a Turkish word made with Turkish suffixes. So it differs from Arabic in this case, i.e. there is no word in Arabic like 'Misirlu'. And the Egyptians call themselves 'Misri' but not 'Misirlu'. I never denied that the origin of the song is Greek, but the word they used to name the song was taken from Turkish. So the right way to write the etymology of the word would be :

Misirlou (Greek: Μισιρλού, "Egyptian Girl"; from Turkish: Misirli, "Egyptian"; from Arabic مصر, Miṣr, "Egypt")

Best Wishes, Burak...

I don't wanna turn it into a tug of war. Only one thing I request from you. Please find me only one language in the world except Turkish that comprises the word 'Misirlu' or 'Misirli' which means 'Egyptian' significantly. Then I will accept that this is only a similarity rather than borrowing.

Regards, Burak...

"Misiri" "Misirlis" (masc.) and "Misirlou" (fem) can all be found in a Greek dictionary, so there are at least two languages that use the word. Even if there was only one possible origin for the word, (which for reasons explained about, there isn't), so what? Take a look at Revolution (song). Does it read "Revolution (from Middle English revolucioun, from Old French revolution, from Late Latin revolti, revoltin-, from Latin revoltus, past participle of revolvere, to turn over)". It doesn't. It is not relevant. This is an article about the song, not a dictionary entry for the word "Misirlou"; we only need a translation from the original language for context. In this case it also help to explain the connection between "Misr" and "Egypt" (since most English-speakers may not be aware of it), but to go into a detailed analysis of the word is off topic. (Regards, Sysin

Of course there is only one possible origin for this word. A linguist who specialized in eastern languages will verify that, you can be sure.

And certainly there are two tongues having these words in their vocabulary. This is the reason of our debate. But I think you missed the point. Only one of them can explain the word significantly.

As for Revolution (song), if you or another friend hadn't given the etymology of 'Misirlu' just like in Revolution (song), I wouldn't even have thought about it. But once you gave the etymology of it and skipped the intermediary language, I felt the necessity of correcting it, that's all...

So, my intention is not to prolong this discussion of no avail. Even though the correction is not satisfactory, I will not persist therein.

Tschüss, Burak

You don't need a linguist. Mısırlı is a blatantly Turkish word. It's formed in Turkish by combining the Arabic word Mısır (Egypt) with the very widely used Turkish -lı suffix, which makes it "Egyptian." You combine for example Amerika with -lı, and Amerikalı means American, Istanbul with -lu, and Istanbullu means Istanbuller, Londra with -lı and Londralı means Londoner, and so on. There is no such -lı, (or -li, -lu, -lü, depending on Turkish vowel harmony) suffix in Greek, Arabic, or any other language. If similar words are in Greek (I couldn't find them in any online Greek dictionary!), they are nothing but Greek "proper names" (people's first or last names) derived from the actual Turkish word Mısırlı, not actual Greek words. This said, the composer of Misirlou, Theodotos ("Tetos") DEMETRIADES was born in Istanbul, Turkey, and raised there. So, he's obviously ethnically Greek but his original nationality was Turkey (Ottoman Empire back then), and he was fluent in Turkish. Not that it matters but I just wanted to keep the records straight. Unfortunately even such simple and obvious facts easily get distorted in the Internet and especially on Wikipedia. Esirgen (talk) 06:21, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Not a folk song
Sorry, this is not a Moroccan, Egyptian, Armenian (typo, bnd), Lebanese or Persian folk son (I've heard that all). Its a melody so haunting and so familiar that it is hard to believe that it wasn't composed before the beginning of time. But it wasn't. Sysin 12:24, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Dear anonymous, please respond here before making further edits.

1) Μισιρλού literally means "Egyptian female", girl or woman ("man"=Μισιρλής; "from Egypt"=απ'το Μισίρι). It can be translated as "Woman from Egypt" if one wants to be too verbose, but to state that "girl" or "woman" is implied is just plain wrong. Replacing the correct translation with an incorrect one twice in a row, is not a sign of good intent.

2) When was the first Armenian recording of this "folk" song? 1930? 1940? 1950? What were the original lyrics? What documents do you have that record them? The song was a major hit by Patrinos in the late 1920s and again by Tsitsanis in the 1930s, and there are plenty of recordings and score sheets to document that. If this was a popular Armenian song from the 1600s, wouldn't there be some recordings predating Patrinos? Sysin 17:04, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi again,

The word 'Misirlis' is certainly a loan word from Turkish just like the words 'Karamanlis' or 'Daglis' are. Sorry, but the Greeks gained thousands of Turkish words all through those hundreds of years under Tourkokratia. And this is fair normal..

Furthermore, I thought that we came to a compromise on the last description of the etymology. But now I see that you changed it back to its original, i.e. you removed the part "similar to Turkish Misirli" again. Even though I did not agree to this kind of explanation I did not make any changes at all just to show my good intent. And I think it's my right to want you to revert it to the one I mentioned.

Best wishes, Burak 22:16, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

When it was vandalized (changed with patently incorrect info, namely the "From egypt" translation), I restored it to an older text. I'll put back the Turkish language reference since you insist, even though I continue to believe that it is irrelevant. Sysin 18:20, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I checked history and saw the previous versions for the moment. Anyhow, thank you for the change Sysin...

Regards, Burak 20:15, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

'''I really wish to know if anybody has the Persian(Farsi) version of this song or at least has the link to it! I'm searching hard but I can't still find it. Thanks, Hooman Sepehri'''  22:44, 7 January 2008

Nuftali Zvi Margolies Abulafia
Good find, I heard the recording, it is in fact Misirlu, closer to the Rubanis melody than to Patrinos' or Dale's. Can anyone translate the lyrics? Any more information about the origin/year?

Regards, m
 * The lyrics he sang to this tune are a traditional poem about the prophet Elijah which can be found in many Jewish prayer books among the hymns for Saturday night. An early version is found in the 12th-century Mahzor Vitry; its current form is no later than the 18th century.  You can hear various tunes to it here.  -- Zsero (talk) 16:45, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Stoma / Mouth
Sometimes, literal translation is not the best - Greeks say "φιλί στο στόμα" meaning a kiss on the lips, but when the english speakers say "kiss on the mouth" they mean a French kiss, which does not seem the right translation for this song.

This reminds me of the e-joke that's going around with expressions such as "He does the duck", "I made them sea" and "To say the figs figs and the tub tub". Sysin 14:16, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

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Yeah, I guess you're right. I'm just too pedantic... so I fixed up the accents on your Greek :) It's just not Greek without them haha.

Here are two of my favourite direct translations:
 * Θα σου αλλάξω τα φώτα == I'll change your lights
 * Θα φας ξύλο == You'll eat wood

By the way are you Greek or just know the language? User:Maggas 3:30am, 21/1/06

Busted link?
I've been trying to follow the link at the bottom to the usaf band recording of the song for a few days now, and it seems to be consistantly broken. Perhaps it should be removed? or is this just me? 66.124.191.55 07:46, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

The www.usafband.com site is down. This is presumably a temporary error (unless they've gone out of business, which I doubt). Let's wait a few days. sys < in 08:54, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

You find USAF Band version of Miserlou from this page: The Official Web Site of The United States Air Force Band http://www.usafband.af.mil/ensembles/BandDiscography.asp?albumID=14

You can download the track from this url: http://www.usafband.af.mil/shared/media/band/USAFB_Miserlou.mp3 (they are encouraging for downloading)

4th of May 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.76.186.50 (talk) 22:59, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Sysin's latest edit
Sysin: I totally agree with you about Αραπιά (though maybe we even want to translate it as "Arabia" or "Araby"). As for κλέψω, while "I'll steal you..." doesn't quite work, "I'll steal you away" probably would, and would better reflect the meaning of the Greek verb. What do you think? --Iustinus 17:05, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

 * In the context of a relationship, 'κλέβω' can best be translated as "elope with" (for the male; the female 'κλέβεται' - an old-fashioned assumption of gender-roles I guess). There is consent implied. There is no such connotation in English for 'steal' - it is more synonymous to abduction than to elopement. Regarding Αραπιά, I think Greeks (particularly of that era) understood it to encompass all of Northern Africa, whereas a reader used to modern terminology may understand "Arabia" to be limited to the Arabian Peninsula. "Arab Land" is a more literal and somewhat more poetic translation. Cheers, sys < in 07:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Hmm, to me "I'll steal you away..." can still be used in that context.
 * As for "Arabia", you definitely have a point: the thought had occured to me that many might take that to mean the Arab Peninsula, which doesn't fit here. But "Araby" just might work, and it's definitely poetic. Eh, I suppose "Arab land" is clearer. --Iustinus 08:05, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Heh, I don't speak Greek but I agree that "to steal away" can have the same meaning as "elope" if you are talking to someone familiar. Dan Carkner 13:42, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Misirlou / Misirli
Dear anonymous, as before: The two words are related (from the same Arabic root) but they are not the same, nor do they mean the same. Misirli is a gender-neutral word that could refer to any person or object from Egypt. Misirlou refers specifically to a Egyptian female person, and even more specifically to a member of the country's predominant Arab/Muslim population (members of the large Greek/Christian community at the time would never be referred to as 'Misirlides' but as 'Egyptiotes') sys < in 12:43, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Either its masculine or feminine form, it won't make any difference. The word stems from Turkish. But debating here won't give any results. Instead I will get a Greek etymological dictionary and end the problem permanently. This seems the best solution.
 * Regards.
 * --91.93.64.18 13:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Latest translation change
Dear anonymous, thanks for the updates in the translation, they were a great improvement. I did make two reverts: Crazy->wild (crazy could be taken to mean 'insane'); plus I deleted 'inside' which, although used in Greek, sounds redundant in English.sys < in 19:55, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't even know why some keep questioning the origin of the song, its title gives its origin away and puts to rest any supposed 'its been around since the stone aged in folk lore and sung by every JewishGreekTurkishArabicAremnianPersianEgyptianEskimo from China to the ME and Brazil' theory. For one all versions of this song use the term "Misirlou" from the Greek version which speaks specifically of an Egyptian girl which in itself is derived from the Turkish Misirli/u which means Egyptian(male or female) which in itself is derived from the Arabic Miṣr, which means Egypt. In Greek when someone sings about Misirlou they knew they were talking about an Egyptian female. Some later versions such as the Yiddish by Miriam Kressyn turn Misirlou into a name: ''I once knew a girl. Her name is Miserlou; Everyone there knows her well. Since I'm to lazy I'm going to post Ireney from the WordReference Forums(Greek; Misirlou 31st March 2007):

Start Turk. Mısırlı, “Egyptian” is made up by Mısır, “Egypt” + the suffix –lI (with fourfold vowel harmony), adapted to Greek as mal. Μισιρλής, fem. Μισιρλού. The -ού suffix is indigenously Greek, and is used to make feminine forms of adjectives ending in a) –ης and b) –άς:

a) Suff. –ης, fem. -ού μαυρομάτης – μαυροματού, “with black eyes” σγουρομάλλης – σγουρομαλλού, “with curly hair”

b) Suff. –άς, fem. -ού κοιλαράς – κοιλαρού, “with a big belly” φωνακλάς – φωνακλού, “who bawls”

- the b) category being more common than the a) as the feminine forms μαυρομάτα and σγουρομάλλα would probably be more frequent.

But there is a category of words in which the feminine suffix –ού is compulsory, and that is precisely the Mισιρλής type.

c) Suff. –λής, fem. –λού This is an interesting extension of the –ού suffix in that it always has an –λ-, and the reason is of course that Greek has adopted – en bloc – words containing the Turkish suffix –lI, and, secondarily, even made it productive.

mal. Μισιρλής – fem. Μισιρλού (see above) μερακλής – μερακλού, cf. Turk. meraklı, “curious” (i.e. having merak, “curiosity; fancy”, Gr. μεράκι) παραλής – παραλού, cf. Turk. paralı, “rich” (i.e. having para, “money”, Gr. παράς)

As a productive suffix:

κατουρλής – κατουρλού, “who wets his/her pants; afraid”, but also Kosename for a child, cf. the verb κατουρώ, “to urinate”. One of the most brilliant Greek poets, Κώστας Βάρναλης, was born in Varna (Bulgaria). This suffix is rare without an accent in masc., but a woman from Varna would invariably be Βαρναλού, cf. c) – to the extent that this word would be found in written Greek. End

Aside from that I came across these additional versions of the song on line: Tetos Dimitriadis Manolis Aggelopoulos 1950s bouzouki1 Manolis Aggelopoulos 1950s bouzouki2 Yarali Gonul Turkish Biebie 12 May 2007

Why bother to translate into English when you leave in completely untranslated words, like 'habibi'. Hello! That's not English. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.92.14.172 (talk) 00:25, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Boyd Rice?
Does anyone have any documentation on this thing about Dick Dale's version being included in Pulp Fiction on Boyd Rice's suggestion? The only thing I've been able to find is from the faq on Rice's site, the entirety of which is every bit as self-aggrandizing as everything else the man says (example: "Q: Is it true that RE/Search Publications haven't paid Boyd Rice any royalties in over fifteen years, for his work on Incredibly Strange Films?  A:  Yes."). Is there, for instance, any word from Tarantino about it? MrBook 15:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Feedback about external link "2-hour radio show"
This is about the link pointing to the KGNU site with the March 2nd, 2007 show which aired almost 15 versions of Misirlou. I visited the link. There is no longer an option to listen to that broadcast ( I guess they take all broadcasts off), but there is a program listing which has good information about all the renditions aired in that broadcast. I think that link might be a valuable resource for someone trying to collect all renditions of this song (like myself)

Link to Program Listing from the main page of this broadcast

--Kapsio 04:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

About Dick Dale's version
Can someone confirm this sentence, "The song was rearranged as a solo instrumental rock guitar piece by Dick Dale in 1962?" The reason I ask is that I was listening to the version from "Pulp Fiction" and it doesn't sound like it's just guitar. I'm pretty sure I hear cymbals in the beginning and a piano toward the end. I suppose it could have been rearranged for the movie, but I looked online and couldn't find anything to confirm or deny that. I think the point of the song is for it to sound like it's not just a guitar, but I would be really amazed if it really is just one guitar solo. 107.213.9.96 (talk) 19:25, 24 August 2014 (UTC) What was the source used to affirm that Dick Dale's Misirlou version found in Guitar Hero II is the same heard in the soundtrack of Riding Giants? Actually, where can this version be heard? I've been dying to hear it, but all I can get are repetitions of the version heard in Pulp Fiction. Can anyone please help? 201.9.126.44 20:12, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't confirm that it's from Riding Giants, but if you have Limewire or something, searching "Misirlou Guitar Hero 2" will be sufficient to be able to hear it. Make sure the album is listed as "Guitar Hero 2" and not "Pulp Fiction." The two versions themselves sound totally different; the only similar thing I hear is the repeating E F G# A B C D# C B or whatever riff. 70.44.155.104 (talk) 00:40, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * At best, it's a cover of this "Riding Giants" version, as evidenced by the "as made famous by Dick Dale" tag in the game (Guitar Hero's euphemism for "cover"). Poiuyt Man talk 03:06, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Found a good sample at Amazon MP3, off Dale's Greatest Hits album released in 1992. The GH2 version is definitely a cover. Poiuyt Man talk 05:30, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Uncanny resemblence to Bizet's Carmen Habanera
Misirlou song sounds very much like the Habanera Aria. I would think that Bizet incorporated the already existing melody in his opera. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTuNUZEFBJk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJLyZqETuBU unsigned by anonymous

Interesting theory - although I fail to hear the resemblance. There is a similarity in structure, but its' a very common one. In any case, when comparing Marilyn Horne's performance to Michalis Patrinos' all similarities are lost. All the versions of Misirlou that are common today derive from Rubanis' version. Rubanis was a well-trained music instructor living in New York, and must have had access to to the musical knowledge such a situation would imply; he was trying to set ethnic music to a modern (jazz) style; so it would not be surprising if he was influenced by Bizet or Dvorak, who had previously set ethnic music to a classical style. The fact that all the so-called "middle eastern folk" versions of Misirlu clearly derive from Rubanis' work, further proves Patrinos' originality. sys < in 09:09, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Arabic Lyrics
As Amrstation points out, the Arabic verse in the song is badly mispronounced. This is probably because (a) Patrinos and his audience did not speak Arabic and/or (b) "Yahaleli" needs to have exactly 5 syllables to fit the rhythm. The same sentence is very frequently used in Greek rembetiko songs (orientalism is a frequent theme) and is more frequently rendered "yaleleli". Regards sys < in 08:04, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

The Arabic phrase "yaleili" is often used in Greek folk songs, however for whatever reason, in Greek an extra syllable was added and it becomes "Yaleleli." This is far from the only song where this happens. 71.168.238.221 (talk) 01:24, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

"Misirlou" in "Back to the Beach"?
The article states: The 1987 comedy film "Back to the Beach" features a surf-rock performance of Misirlou in front of wind machines by Dick Dale and Stevie Ray Vaughn.

Dick Dale and Stevie Ray Vaughan play the very different song "Pipeline" in that movie, but I don't think they play "Miserlou." It's not listed on the soundtrack in IMDB. If they did play "Miserlou," I would very much like to hear it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Misterlevel (talk • contribs) 14:13, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

This song is a perfect example of western culture!!!
I don't understand the whole orientation of the argumentation of the article. Actually it doesn't make any sense. Greece is a European country located in the western part of the world. Greek culture is the foundation (or at least an important part) of all of the western culture. Then some Greek dude decides to write a song about an Egyptian girl, in a style that may or not resemble some middle-eastern style and he is automatically called middle-eastern, Moroccan, Arab, Jew, etc. ...? Does this mean that when Bizet wrote Carmen he automatically became Spanish? Or that when Homer composed his Iliad, he became a Trojan? There is more to it, in Egypt the girl wouldn't be referred to as Misirlou, she would simply be "the girl". And probably wouldn't be anything out of the ordinary.

This song is a perfect example of western culture. I strongly suggest a review of the whole argument orientation of the article.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.27.59.134 (talk) 16:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Ancient Greek culture is very different than the Greek culture for the last 1000 years. I would call it more Ottoman culture rather than western culture because of its multicultural roots in Greece, Balkans, Middle East, and Turkey. As Ottomans were not only Turkish but they were all Greek, Arab, and Balkanic.

Use as theme song for HBO series?
This needs verification but I believe MISIRLOU is used as the theme song for HBO's series ROME (and if it's not actually MISIRLOU, the theme is heavily inspired by MISIRLOU).Bigmaestro (talk) 17:34, 16 October 2008 (UTC)bigmaestro

I thought the same thing. Not while Rome was on the air, but when a similar sounding song was played during an episode of Mad Men this past week. I thought it sounded like the Rome theme, then learned that it was Misirlou. I had no idea the song (known by many today as the Pulp Fiction theme) had such a history. But I can't find any confirmation whether the Rome theme is the same song. Vorenus (talk) 02:12, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Use as theme song for HBO series?
I agree with the previous comment, this song is eerily similar to (if not the same as) the theme song for HBO'S ROME. And as was also stated in the previous comment, the main article should mention that this song was used in episode 2x11 of AMC's MAD MEN (episode title "The Jet Set") 96.28.136.215 (talk) 03:05, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

"the Arab land" ??? (translation issue)
Φιλαράκοι, ἀρκαδασλάρ μου, «ἡ Ἀραπία» σημαίνει «Arabia» ἢ «the Orient» σ’τὰ αγγλικά... No really, even if you think of the word “Ἀραπιά” as being reminiscent of a plural neuter (which it is not), it would still only render *“the Arabias” in English (in the same style as people used to refer in the past to “the Indies”). However, “Ἀραπιά” is NOT a plural, it is a feminine singular and it means the same thing as “Ἀραβία”, namely, “Arabia”. And to make things clear the English word “Arabia” does not refer to a specific country, but to the whole Middle Eastern region (except for Turkey, Cyprus and Iran), and that includes Egypt and Northern Africa to which the word seems to sometimes allude. If you don’t like “Arabia” you could also alternatively use “the Orient” which would more faithfully translate the feeling and intent of “Ἀραπιά” as opposed to “Ἀραβία”. However, arkadaşlar, “the Arab lands” makes no sense in any language and it looks terribly stilted. -- 27 April 2010 82.77.251.17

2nd sentence incorrect - not from Greek refugees
"(a style that originated with the Greek refugees from Turkey)" Clearly Rebetika was performed in Izmir/Smyrna, prior to their being any refugees - see rebetiko and is still performed today there.

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Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,

to help your brainstorming on the origin of word "misirlou" please listen to the song concerned on the discs bellow

1.	Misirlou (Vogue, 1952): Misirlou - sang by Leo Fuld in Jiddish, 2.	Balkans en folie / Crazy balkans : POZA (Air Mail Music, 2003): Жёпа небритая (Shopa nebritaja = Unshaved Arse) - sang by Alik Kopit in Russian

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The exit list is inaccurate. The East End is where mile 0 is at. Not the West End NintendoTTTEfan2005 (talk) 00:15, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

 * Just to clarify, the exit numbers are accurately listed. But the mile numbers aren't. NintendoTTTEfan2005 (talk) 00:16, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Never mind, the mile markers I saw on Google streetview on I-516 are those that correspond to SR 21 mileage, not I-516. So the Mile numbers are fine. NintendoTTTEfan2005 (talk) 00:40, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

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Message in a Bottle (novel)

Message in a Bottle is the second romance novel written by American author Nicholas Sparks. The story, which explores the romance theme of love after grief, is set in the mid-late 1990s, then-contemporary Wilmington, North Carolina. The 1999 film Message in a Bottle produced by and starring Kevin Costner, is based on this novel.

Plot summary
Divorced and disillusioned about romantic relationships, Theresa Osborne is jogging when she finds a bottle on the beach. Inside is a letter of love and belonging to "Catherine," signed simply "Garrett." Challenged by the mystery and pulled by emotions she doesn't fully understand, Theresa begins a search for this man that will change her life. What happens to her is unexpected, perhaps miraculous-an encounter that embraces all our hopes for finding someone special, for having a true and strong love that is timeless and everlasting.

Touched by the warmth of the words in the letter Theresa embarked on a mission that would change her life forever. She discovers two other letters written by the same author and for the same recipient and goes to Wilmington to find this mysterious writer at the urging of Deanna, a close friend. It doesn't take long for her to find Garrett, the mysterious writer. Chemistry gradually grows between the two as they start dating. However, with the passage of time, the two are confronted with the reality of one of them having to change his/her life in order for them to be together. One night, the two have a confrontation about this issue that doesn't end well. Even worse, Garrett discovers his letters in Theresa's drawer. Angry at what he deemed as deception and an affair founded on lies, Garrett storms out of Theresa's apartment, taking with him his letters. Back at Wilmington, he tries to get over the issue by sharing with his father Jeb, who instead thinks Garrett mishandled the whole situation. Jeb receives a visitor that same day, a young woman whom he believes to be Theresa. Garrett and Theresa argue, with Theresa giving up the relationship citing that she could never compete with Catherine. A grieving Theresa heads back to Boston to move on with life.

A few days later, Theresa received a surprise call comes from Jeb in Wilmington telling her to come right away. The heartbreak of Garrett's death confronted her in Wilmington. On that fateful day, Garrett had set sail on the Happenstance to drop one last message to Catherine, but he ran into a storm that lead to his death. Theresa has trouble getting back to her life afterward until she receives an unexpected package in the mail. Before his death, Garrett wrote a message to her in a bottle, asking for her forgiveness and offering to move to Boston for her. Theresa replies with her own letter of forgiveness which she throws off the sea affirming her love for Garrett and thanking him for having proved her that she will also get over the grief.

A film based on the novel was shot in 1999 directed by Luis Mandoki. The film stars Robin Wright as Theresa Osbourne and Kevin Costner as Garrett Blake.

(In a conference Nicholas Sparks held in a school, he said that this story was inspired by his parents.)

Characters

 * Theresa Osborne - main character, columnist, divorced.
 * Garrett Blake - The character who writes letters in bottles.
 * Catherine - Garrett's wife who died in an accident; letters are addressed to her.
 * Deanna - Theresa's friend and boss, owner of beach home.
 * Jeb Blake - Garrett's father.
 * Kevin Osborne - Theresa and David's son.
 * Brian - Deanna's husband.
 * David Osborne - Theresa's ex-husband and Kevin's father.

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Talk:Drum major (marching band)

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I am not the originator of this page, nor is the main body of the text mine. My contributions, at this point, are the pictures and links. I may make suggestions or additions in the future (with great thought and care).

I should certainly hope that factions or representatives from the various camps, academies, and workshops will retain objectivity and even-handedness with any drum major philosophy they wish to add.

I look forward to any help or additions to this entry!

--Mford123 19:58:09, 2005-08-24 (UTC)

For a start, in a British Army pipe band, the Pipe Major or "Pipey" is in charge of the band. The "Drummie" is usually second in command and his role is timekeeping and ceremonial. If the term "leader" refers to the one in front then it might be a Shetland Pony who will be further ahead... :) Acorn897 (talk) 00:28, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

British Army
In relations to the British Army section The Drum Major can hold an rank between Corporal and Warrant Officer Class 2. The badge is 4 inverted chevrons surmonted by a drum badge. If the Drum Major has the rank of colour/staff sergeant a small crown is placed between the chevrons and drum badge. If the Drum Major is a WOII then the large crown goes in its place.

It is also my understanding that the Drum Major is ranked as second in the Sergeants mess, no matter what his rank, under the RSM.

When I can dig out my copy of the Drummers Handbook there is a good section on the history of the Drum Major. SGoat 16:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

 * A Drum Major is always an SNCO or WO as far as I know. I have never seen an instance of a Corporal holding the appointment and I have seen a number of publications specifying it as an SNCO appointment. Can you provide a reference for this? Are you also sure that WO2s don't wear a crown in a wreath? I'm sure I've seen drum majors wearing this and it would be more logical. I also have a suspicion that the Senior Drum Major of the Household Division may be a WO1, but I may be wrong there. -- Necrothesp 21:20, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

As I said I will dig out my copy of The Drummers Handbook (which is the Army publication relating to Bands and Corps of Drums). It is unusual for Drum Majors to be Corporals (as the position is also that of platoon commander for the drums platoon) but it is possible, therefore it tends to be thought of as a SNCO appointment. If the Drum Major is a corporal then they are given honary membership to the Sergeants and WOs mess by virtue of their appointment.

WOIIs can have one of two badges of rank. A plain large crown or a crown surmounted in a laurel wreath. The laurel wreath version is only worn by regimental quatermaster sergeants (RQMS), who hold the rank of WOII. All other WOII appointments (e.g. CSM) use the plain large crown. With regard to the senior Drum Major of the Household Division I do not think you are correct but cannot provide any evidence that your wrong.

In British Army Battalion (there are no regimental corps) Corps of Drums the DM does not have to a side drummer either, he could be from the percussion rank or a flautist. The Royal Marines Band Service is the only British armed forces which stipulates that the DM must be from the side drummers, as can be seen by the thin strip he wears on his trousers instead of the broad strip used by the band.

In modern British Army rank badges all chevrons are worn point down, therefore inverted refers to point up, which nowadays is only used by Drum Majors and Pipe Majors.SGoat 17:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm aware of the difference between WO2 rank badges. The crown in wreath is not just worn by the RQMS, incidentally; in actual fact, the crown alone is only usually worn by WO2s holding Sgt Maj appointments (CSM/SSM/BSM), so the crown in wreath is probably the commoner of the two, since it's worn by all WO2s in QMS appointments (not just RQMS), of which there are many (and by all WO2s in the Royal Marines, including CSMs, and Royal Navy). The crown in wreath would therefore make more sense in this case, since it would be difficult to distinguish the two types of crown by size alone. And as I said, I have seen it worn, although I'm not saying for definite that it does indicate a WO2. I also think there are regimental/corps variations in the pattern of the Drum Major badge - no two seem to be the same.

 * Re inverted chevrons, we would indeed call point-up chevrons "inverted" in Britain, but Wikipedia is not just written for British readers and to an American, for instance, "inverted" means point down, which is why it's best to be explicit when writing on Wikipedia. Plus, a chevron in its original form (e.g. in heraldry) is actually point-up, so there is a good argument that normal British chevrons are in actual fact inverted. Incidentally, Staff Corporals of the Household Cavalry also wear four point-up chevrons. -- Necrothesp 20:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I had forgotton about Staff Corporals. It is not difficult on uniform to disguish between C/Sgt crowns and WOII crowns, especially when used in No 1 dress. What I was always told as a cadet Drum Major affiliated to the RRF was that as a DM is not in a QMS role then they use the plain crown, but I do agree with you that each regiment and corps will have traditions that go towards the badge or rank. Maybe this is something to point out in the article? SGoat 07:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC) "It is also my understanding that the Drum Major is ranked as second in the Sergeants mess, no matter what his rank, under the RSM". This is not so. He is subject to the same rules of seniority as other members. Acorn897 (talk) 00:22, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Unique in Canada? Recently watching a Van Doos' (Royal 22nd Regiment) parade, I noted that the DM was wearing double insignia: both sergeant's three point-down chevrons and DM's four point-up chevrons on the same sleeve. I assume this is either unique to the Canadian Army or to the Van Doos. I have never seen this done in the British services. However, since Sgt is a rank and DM is an appointment, I wonder why not?

Another Canadian curiosity: staff sergeants of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police still wear four point-up chevrons on the lower sleeve. And RCMP sergeants-major wear four point-down chevrons surmounted by a crown in the same lower sleeve position. I am told that these insignia were inherited from British cavalry rank insignia in the nineteenth century, similar to Household Cavalry insignia. Adwo (talk) 21:57, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

"British"
I would dispute that people who march at the heads of bands with maces originated in Britain. Sure, "Drum Majors" (capital Ds and Ms) may be uniquely British. But mace-wielding marching guys? 118.90.44.104 (talk) 04:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

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I would like to reorganize part of the article into High School, College, and Drum Corps as I feel that there are specific details about each of these levels. For example you can differentiate both style and roles between the different levels. I think that this will make the article read more smoothly so that it does not jump back and forth between these different levels. In addition, it will be easier to write about one of these specific areas instead of having to include all three in every sentence when talking about different interpretations of the drum major. In my opinion, these 3 levels, and the current military interpretation on the page, cover all of the different areas that a drum major is found. Am I missing anything? Thoughts? --Squeeksrocks (talk) 19:39, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

It would be nice if the part of the article dealing with US schools/colleges could be a bit more encyclopaedic: for example, there is no mention at all of when these marching bands originated, or of the development of the role of the DM over time. Thomas Peardew (talk) 20:17, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

I would like to separate the "Military Position" section of the article into a separate article. I feel that it is enough of a different topic to warrant mentioning separately. As it is, the Major article redirects to the Drum major article and a reader would be reading about leaders of a marching band with a small mention of a military position. I propose that the new article be titled Drum major (rank). Squeeksrocks (talk) 16:02, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

England
What's about the english drum majors especially at Trooping the Colour? --111Alleskönner (talk) 16:58, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

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Merge proposal for Drum Major
Reading the articles Drum major and Drum major (military), I believe and propose that the two articles be merged into one article as there is no difference between the information.

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The result of the debate was delete (9 delete, 3 valid keep). [[smoddy ]] 17:00, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

CUAS
Campus organizations are not inherently noteable. No relevant Google hits found outside of the Cambridge domain (cam.ac.uk). Delete — Lomn | Talk / RfC 19:58:57, 2005-08-24 (UTC)
 * Keep By that logic the set of pages House System at Caltech should also be removed as they refer to organisations that only exist within Caltech. I would also like to point out that CUAS has been around longer than Caltech existed! And there are also non-trivial links referencing CUAS : http://www.winwaed.com/comp/challis/challis_bio.shtml (for example). (unsigned comment by seanbert)
 * The CalTech example is a single page for the entire university, which puts it in a different context than a page about a single organization. I would have no objection to an equivalent page for Cambridge as a whole.  — Lomn | Talk / RfC 21:20:23, 2005-08-24 (UTC)

 * Delete. Cambridge University Astronomy Society isn't that notable. I bet this entry is copied straight from the CUSU handbook. David | Talk 20:24, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Having searched Wikipedia's other entires I have found two other Cambridge University societies with entries, Footlights (the comedy society) and the Cambridge Union Society. Both of the student papers also have pages. Bearing this in mind, I feel that it would be inconsistent not to list the astronomy society as well. Alidixon, 21:28 GMT, 24 August 2005.
 * User's third edit.
 * Delete. The Footlights and CUS are famous, CUAS is, sadly, not. Oh, wait, bloody hell, it's just a copyvio from the user page . Nominator should have saved VfD the strain and sent it straight to copyvio. Sdedeo 20:32, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable campus organization. Both above keep votes are sockpuppets or brand-spanking new users created for the purpose of defending Votes for deletion/TINDOMH; see that VfD for more detail. Fernando Rizo T/C 20:33, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Alf I'm happy to have this article. seanbert
 * Delete. Although astronomy groups are cool. -Aranel (" Sarah ") 22:05, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep (changed from reserved) I have re-written and wiked it up a bit, being edit-conflicted by seanbert in the process, sean are you able to verify the founding date - only one site mentioned it. Alf 22:14, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable organization.Amren (talk)  01:52, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete I'd say nn unless info on their stupendous activities that have affected the field is added. :) -- Etacar11   03:09, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. --GraemeL (talk) 10:11, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep The content needs some serious revision though, it sounds like an advert. Perhaps listing the famous alumni would justify its inclusion better? (Unsigned vote by, please add votes to bottom of page) -- Etacar11   16:43, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete too many sockpuppets. also not notable. CDC   (talk)  18:14, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, nonnotable student society. Shimgray 14:25, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

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Andrew Henry (fur trader)

Major Andrew Henry (c. 1775 – January 10, 1832) was an American miner, army officer, frontiersman, trapper and entrepreneur. Alongside William H. Ashley, Henry was the co-owner of the successful Rocky Mountain Fur Company, otherwise known as "Ashley's Hundred", for the famous mountain men working for their firm from 1822 to 1832. Henry appears in the narrative poem the Song of Hugh Glass, which is part of the Neihardt's Cycle of the West. He is portrayed by John Huston in the 1971 film Man in the Wilderness and by Domhnall Gleeson in the 2015 film The Revenant, both of which depict Glass's bear attack and journey.

Early life
Henry was born in or around 1776 in Fayette County, in the Province of Pennsylvania, and was tall and slender, with dark hair, blue eyes, and a reputation for honesty. Henry went to Nashville, Tennessee, in his twenties, but moved on to Spanish Upper Louisiana Territory in 1800 (before the Louisiana Purchase), to the lead mines near present-day Potosi, Missouri, and in 1806, he bought a share of a lead mine.

Career
In 1807, he joined with Manuel Lisa and three members of the Corps of Discovery (George Drouillard, Peter M. Weiser, and John Potts) and founded Lisa, Menard & Morrison to establish trading and beaver trapping enterprises at the headwaters of the Missouri River. In 1809, Henry led an expedition to the Three Forks of the Missouri River near present-day Three Forks, Montana, where he tried to establish a beaver trapping outpost but was beaten back by the Blackfoot People. In 1810, Henry abandoned the Three Forks outpost and crossed the Continental Divide and briefly trapped the headwaters of the Snake River, wintering in caves and hovels that historians have named "Fort Henry" on Henry's Fork of the Snake River, near present-day Saint Anthony, Idaho.

After many difficulties, especially with the Blackfoot Indians, Henry returned to Saint Louis, Missouri in January, 1812. When the War of 1812 was declared Henry enrolled in the army, rising to the rank of major.

In 1818, Henry married Mary Flemming, daughter of one of the owners of the lead mine. Mary Flemming was of French birth and considerably younger than Henry; the marriage was a happy one for them both and produced four children. Henry returned to lead mining.

In 1822, he started what would become the Rocky Mountain Fur Company with William H. Ashley. The new company sent three keelboats up the Missouri River, three different times. Henry led an expedition of 21 men, 60 horses and one keelboat to the mouth of the Yellowstone River and built a post that came to be known as Fort Henry. The next boat, under the command of Daniel Moore, sank, along with ten thousand dollars' worth of provisions. Ashley equipped a third boat, piloted it himself, and was able to get through to Henry at the Yellowstone. Ashley then immediately returned to Saint Louis to make preparations for the following season.

In 1824, after a profitable season Henry retired from the company and returned, once more, to lead mining. He died in Washington County, Missouri on January 10, 1832.

In popular culture
The actor Tris Coffin played Henry in the 1966 episode, "Hugh Glass Meets the Bear", on the syndicated television anthology series, Death Valley Days. John Alderson was cast as the rugged trail guide Hugh Glass, the trapper who was mauled by a bear, left for dead, but survived by crawling two hundred miles to safety. Others in the episode were Morgan Woodward as trapper Thomas Fitzpatrick and Victor French as Louis Baptiste. Actor/Director John Huston played Captain Henry, a character based on Andrew Henry, in the 1971 film: Man in the Wilderness. Richard Harris portrayed The Hugh Glass character. In the 2015 film The Revenant, Henry is played by Domhnall Gleeson. In the latter film, however, Henry is killed by John Fitgerald (played by Tom Hardy).

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Country flag templates
Well, I would tend not to use these templates in the main body text of an article, as it can prove difficult to read and annoying to some users. However in tables and lists etc, then yes, I would probably use the templates. Fire Fox   esp  16:49, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Russian federal subjects
Hi, Bart! Just wanted to drop a quick thank-you note for your contributions to the articles on Russian federal subjects (infoboxes, flags, etc.) Would you be interested in joining the Russian federal subjects WikiProject? I used to work on it quite extensively, but now I simply do not have the time and keep looking for someone (or not necessarily "one") to take over. Anyway, thanks again for all your work!—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 19:00, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually I only started adding there because I was working on the List of flags (Regional flags) and saw that many were lacking in wp. Since I don't even speak or can't read russian I won't be of much help I fear, but nevertheless I'll keep improving where I can (mainly improving the layout of the articles) !! Bart l 01:33, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, I was hoping for more :) Anyway, since the articles are pretty much being neglected at this time, any help you can render is going to be invaluable.  Thanks again!—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 02:43, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * On a similar note, could you be so kind as to add the three flags that are still missing? Thanks! [[Image:Flag of Austria.svg|15px]] ナイトスタリオン ✉ 11:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I was not able to find them at that time, but I'll keep looking for them Bart l 18:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks! [[Image:Flag of Austria.svg|15px]] ナイトスタリオン ✉ 09:35, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

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You contributed to the TFD discussion for 2LCdisambig. I am following this with further discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages). Susvolans ⇔ 18:46, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikification and Reorder
Hi, I was looking at some of your edits. It was hard to see what you had wikified, because the reordering made the "changes" display hard to read. Although it's not a rule, it would definitely keep things clearer if you could keep the reordering and wikification in separate edits. Thanks.

I also noticed that some of the pages you worked on had links on non-subject words. I don't know how many of those you added, and how many were already there. As it's frowned upon in the disambiguation guidelines, I'm removing this.

If you weren't the one who made those links, please accept my apologies; as I said, it was hard to tell.

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AO may stand for:
 * I mainly do 2 things in this regard: put the abbreviated word in front of the sentence = wikification and 2nd sort them alphabeticly; not a bad idea to do it in two seperate steps anyway ! Apologies accepted, for I did not through in non-linked items, even removed some of them myself, I fully agree on your comment !! Only one remark: in my opinion it should not be bad to add extra links to items in the explanations and make the subject bold, see example below. Bart l 18:42, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Adults Only, contents rated not suitable for people under 18 by Entertainment Software Rating Board
 * Ammunition oiler, US Navy hull classification symbol
 * Anarchy Online, a science fiction Massive(ly) multiplayer online role-playing game
 * Angola, 2-letter ISO and obsolete NATO country code
 * Aosta Valley (Vallée d'Aoste, Valle d'Aosta), abbreviation for the region and province of Italy

COK
Why is COK redirecting to Cook Islands? Is it a well know abreviation? --DuKot 22:15, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * ISO 3166, at least, yeah. [[Image:European-Austrian flag hybrid.svg|20px]] ナイトスタリオン ✉ 22:46, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * yes, that's the reason, anyway if more acronyms or abreviations are applicable, it can always be changed into a TLAdisambig page. Bart l 18:32, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * changing to disambiguation article --DuKot 22:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

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Jasonk rewrote the OpenWetWare article, and it looks a lot better (no offense to your previous version). Since the backlog at articles for deletion (AfD) is so large, if users were to contact any and everybody who contributed to the article, AfD would be slowed down even further.

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Song?
Is the Diodes song the one that goes "Buffy Buffy come back to me, why'd you have to go and OD, who will watch over..." something that rhymes with D. (Hey this is a song I heard on Dr. Demento like 15+ years ago, when I still listened to that kind of thing, I'm kind of amazed I remember that much)--T. Anthony 12:12, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

 * T. Anthony, the song I think you're referring to is "Child Star" by the Canadian punk band The Diodes. I know that song is on Tired of Waking Up Tired: The Best of The Diodes, a compilation album, it may have been on a previous release as well. -- Martina

It was Mrs. Beasley, the thing that rhymed with "D" I mean. I remembered enough to find it on my own it was by a group called Angel and the Reruns. The most notable member of that group being Hillary Carlip.--T. Anthony 12:18, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Does anyone have any links or recollection to a very common rumor that circulated around the late 70s that Susan Olsen had gotten heavily into drugs and other vices and overdosed or committed suicide? I recall that it was a rumor spread deliberately in the wake of the overdose death of Anissa Jones, a troubled child actress whose Family Affair show had come on the air and went off the air slightly before the Brady Bunch.  Anissa died of a drug overdose under suspicious circumstances in 1976, and her death touched many child stars, including the cast of the Brady Bunch (Eve Plumb, in particular, who appeared on Family Affair at one point, I recall).  The supposed prosocial idea behind the rumor was that it was a way to flag people who didn't care or thought it would be fine if what they thought of as a dysfunctional youngest child (Cindy Brady) got heavily into drugs or whatever and died, and then to do something to help those flagged as so dysfunctional.  It also jives with the interest in prosocial TV shows, "Afterschool Specials", and in particular Eve Plumb's performance and popular reaction to "Dawn: Portrait of a Teenage Runaway", and similar psychological TV dramas from the time, like Linda Blair in "Sarah T.: Portrait of a Teenage Alcoholic" and Dick van Dyke in "The Morning After".  The story of Anissa Jones is well-known today in part due to it's story being told on websites like Morbidly Hollywood, but as I recall the rumor about Susan Olsen and the tie-in to looking for dysfunctional kids was very well-known as well at the time, late 70s, very early 80s.  -- Allison

Broken leg
I was wondering of Anissa's broken leg had caused her to limp. I noticed on Family Affair she was limping after her cast had been removed. Is there any source that mentions her limping may have reduced her chances of getting more acting jobs. In essense did her "broken leg" effectively end her career? Cmguy777 (talk) 01:17, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Removed unsourced reports of dolls saying ominous things after Jones' death
I removed a claim that hundreds of children reported their dolls saying ominous things after Jones' death and that several churches encouraged their congregations to rid their households of Family Affair memorabilia. If you have reliable sources, feel free to add back what can be supported. Lee Choquette (talk) 15:57, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Small blue vial?
I read as her cause of death. This comes up. https://positivechoices.org.au/teachers/ghb-factsheet Michele500000 (talk) 02:27, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

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It doesn't seem to appear on any map of Peru, and other encyclopaedia don't have a reference to it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.254.0.32 (talk • contribs) 16:24, 22 August 2005

 * It is well documented in Hiram Bingham's book. --Commking 07:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

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The last paragraph of the history section seems to be a quote, but it fails to identify who the source of the quote is. All it indicates is that it was said by someone who went there in the company of his father and others, and the speaker appears to be of Incan ancestry as he talks about Incan rulers who had been there in the past as being his ancestors.--68.92.95.63 (talk) 02:33, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

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Hi,I'm Georgeglass,and I am a new user here. I happen to adore The Brady Bunch,and other shows like Seinfeld and The Simpsons. I love to read,I enjoy comic books. And Marcia Brady!!! Hubba,hubba,hubba dubba hubba. So,that is me. I started using Wikipedia either this year or last year looking up something. I found it useful and cool. Now,I'm in the big top. That means I'm a user here. I have a job. I edit articles here and stuff like that. You know,did you ever watch that show Roseanne or The Twilight Zone. What if they met. What if Roseanne's husband was planning to murder her,and her daughter knew,but kept it a secret? Creepy,creepy,stuff.

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