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User:K1Bond007/Archive5

Spy Who Loved Me
I take it from your revisions to the SWLM article that you must have finished the Wood novel. Thoughts? I thought it was an OK pastiche and Wood took a reasonable stab at Fleming's style, though it's interesting to see the differences between this book and the film. Since Wood wrote the screenplay, too, I must assume the book was either based on an earlier draft OR the book was altered so that Wood ended up with full credit instead of sharing it with his co-scriptwriter(s) on the film. Did you catch Jaws' real name? Also, I can't remember if Jaws actually survives the book, which would place it in conflict with Wood's Moonraker. 23skidoo 23:55, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I doubt you'll have to change too much as you have the points down. I see that fellow won't let the matter drop. I put another response in there, defending your honor as it were, though I probably spoke out of turn. 23skidoo 02:27, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Book infoboxes
I think an infobox is a good idea, though wouldn't it be a little confusing having two on one page for the Flemings? When you get around to it, why not make up a "trial run" box and drop it onto one of the Gardner and Benson book pages and we can tweak it from there? 23skidoo 13:40, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

MI6 references
You're closer to reading the Fleming books than I am. Isn't it correct that Fleming has Bond working for MI6 in his books? If not I know Gardner does. And Jamesgibbons statement regarding MI6 only being established in Brosnan's era contradicts Dr. No. If you can recall a Fleming novel in which MI6 is mentioned, it'll make the case a bit stronger. 23skidoo 00:39, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * And as I expected, he has asked for such a reference. I don't have time to skim through my books though as you state SIS = MI6. 23skidoo 19:45, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Bullets
I think it looks OK. It sort of draws the names out and makes them more prominent. Yet the chart and photos farther down does this too. I have no objection either way. (BTW I'm going to be away between July 3 and 9 so will be "de-wikifying" myself for a bit. ;-) 23skidoo 30 June 2005 21:34 (UTC)

Moneypenny Diaries
Have you heard anything else about this new book series? I just stumbled upon an article at commanderbond.net from a few days ago (see ). 23skidoo 19:16, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Bond contenders
Well that was certainly an interesting exchange. It really highlights one of Wikipedia's biggest problems in that people can't make up their minds what it is supposed to be. I've seen people outright state that it shouldn't contain anything that Brittanica wouldn't cover and I've seen others try and have any pop culture related articles banished outright. Remember the fellow who tried to delete all the Star Trek episode pages? Oh well... 23skidoo 20:42, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm on the same page as you. Once someone is chosen and in fact as many pieces of information are confirmed, the article will be adjusted accordingly. I got the feeling the guy thought the information would be preserved forever in its current format. Once Bond is chosen, most of the names can be dropped such as Alex O'Lachlan and the like and only the most notable candidates need be listed. This type of information is historically interesting, since people who made similar lists decades ago recorded the fact that Burt Reynolds nearly became Bond, for example. Oh well ... as long as someone doesn't go on a deleting spree with the article it's no skin off my nose. 23skidoo 20:56, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Someone just tried to add Sarah Michelle Gellar to the list, based on an off-the-cuff remark she made during an interview. I'm starting to develop a nervous twitch ... 23skidoo 12:57, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Mind you, I just saw that Daily Mirror note that Henry Cavill, a whelp of only 22 years of age, is a finalist for the part. I personally hear the sound of an approaching train wreck. Did these guys not see Sum of All Fears? 23skidoo 21:21, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Template
The new template looks good to me! Not much more I can see to add, really. 23skidoo 04:24, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I think the biography and novelizations should stay in the preceeding/following fields as there are enough sources that treat them as "regular" Bond novels, especially the Biography, which quite clearly takes place after Colonel Sun but before any further books. Benson seems to have tried to work his novels around the movies, too. The trick is how we should handle Moneypenny Diaries. If they are indeed sanctioned Bond Universe books, then by rights the first volume should listed as following SilveFin since it'll be out before the next YJB book... (since we're listing them in publishing rather than chronological order). thoughts? 23skidoo 00:54, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Lazenby trivia
Have you any idea what that anon user is going on about regarding Lazenby trivia in the main article? Except for you correcting a name a few days ago I don't recall seeing any Lazenby trivia reverted recently. 23skidoo 03:23, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

That sound you hear ...
... is me thumping my head on my desk after fixing an anon's edit to List of James Bond allies. Do people even read the articles before editing? (To the anon's credit, though, he/she did catch a couple of names that were missed such as Strutter from LALD, but why delete characters like Hilary Bray and Molly Warmflash?) 23skidoo 22:08, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree Bond's romantic conquests have already been listed and can be removed, I think. That still doesn't explain what the anon has against Hilary Bray! I didn't reinstate Dolly from Moonraker, however, since strictly speaking she wasn't Bond's ally, but Jaws'. (Similarly, although I have seen her referred to as a "Bond girl" I don't think she qualifies for the list.) 23skidoo 22:25, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Finland/Scandinavia in Max Payne
Just a thought -- I noticed that you reverted the Max Payne bit that talked about Finland not being counted as a part of Scandinavia, and commented that sometimes it is. You're of course correct, but I believe that the point the author was trying to make is... well, I made it in more detail. Does that make sense to you? Please let me know if it reads like crap -- I'd rather not go into an in-depth explanation on this article, but I do think that it's a point worth clearing up. -- Captain Disdain 02:04, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh, Sam Lake's Finnish, all right. His real name is Sami Järvi; "Sam Lake" is just his a pen name. (It's a direct translation; "Järvi" is "Lake" in English.) And no, I don't think it was a nod to the Scandinavian heritage of Remedy, either -- well, I pretty much know that it wasn't one -- but the misconception that it is one exists; I've seen people come up with that before, because they don't realize that the Norse myths don't really have anything to do with Finland. That's why I put it in the "this is often seen as a nod..." form.

 * Anyway, I'm glad it makes sense to you; it's way too late over here, and I really shouldn't be messing about with articles at this hour. Thanks for the feedback. -- Captain Disdain 02:31, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

lots of edits, not an admin
Hi - I made a list of users who've been around long enough to have made lots of edits but aren't admins. If you're at all interested in becoming an admin, can you please add an '*' immediately before your name in this list? I've suggested folks nominating someone might want to puruse this list, although there is certainly no guarantee anyone will ever look at it. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 16:58, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

current GCOTW color?
Hey, I was thinking of making the Template:Current-GCOTW tag the same color as the Australian Collaboration of the Fortnight. While the changes you made a little bit ago are good, I thought changing the color will really make it stand out. The current color almost blends into the background. Comments? Thunderbrand 02:44, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think blue would work good. I guess the other template should be changed if you decide to. Thunderbrand 03:05, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * To tell you the truth, I like the "Sky blue" one the best. Maybe we should ask other people at the project talk page? Thunderbrand 04:58, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Now that I've seen the other template with Sky blue, it does look a tad dark. The "some sort of blue" should do fine. Thunderbrand 01:03, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

ISU images
thanks for the note. i did take all the isu pics aside from fells. how should i secure permission to use it. Grahamalonian

 * this is the site with the Fell image i used Grahamalonian

thanks a ton. been using wikipedia for ages now, finally worked up the nerve to alter things when i was frustrated with some lack of images and basic info. Grahamalonian 04:15, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sega Dreamcast discussion, image edit war
Curiously, you didn't report my supposed accusations of personal attacks in Talk:Sega Dreamcast. You only denounced me in the 3RR because you was feel provoked with the quarrel.

Sincerely, I'm disappointed for suffering attacks for pure vanity and the lack of argument. You not justified all your attacks and your offense irony, just when a Moderator arrives you simply take off your body with the phrase "these image guys".

I learned a thing with you: vanity ruins any argument and corrupts the common-sense, stimulating the coward behavior.

I ask to you definitely stop this autoritarian acts with my participations in Wikipedia, because I'm tired of you erase my contributions, clean my tags and say what I'm do or when I'm wrong since I started the participation in Computer and video games project.

Sincerely, --Mateusc 19:48, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * You continue made me personal attacks and now talk about "no patience with you". This is curious, because you engaged against me and now lost your reasons. I'm not making any type of attack, I was only antagonized in all the case by you, ironized, offended, since you ranaway from the quarrel after successive attacks. Please, I ask for you that ceases the attacks and the offensive ironies because you commit to each cited phrase me. --Mateusc 22:12, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I don't understand!
What's going on with that Slike2 guy on the talk page of the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computer and video games? It's like he won't take no for an answer or something. I was gonna reply, but you and some other people have said what I would have said and it would sound awfully repetitive. I think i'll stay out of it, becuase what he says doesn't make any sense to me anymore. Thunderbrand 14:53, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

Looks like I have a live one
I reverted a guy who kept posting a porn link to Angelina Jolie. Now the guy is leaving me gibberish on my talk page. Check it out (it's at the top of the page). I don't know if this qualifies as vandalism or not. Do you know where I can report this user? (Fortunately it's actually not an anonymous IP this time but an actual account). 23skidoo 23:04, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Tomorrow Never Dies
It's nothing major, everything still works and all but my question is why would you change the link I put up to the USS Sea Shadow from USS_Sea_Shadow to USS Sea Shadow. The point of putting in the underscores is so there is no need for the redirect. In addition, it's just sloppy. If you were to just change it to USS Sea Shadow, you shouldn't leave it as [ [USS Sea Shadow|USS Sea Shadow] ]

you shoudl have shortened it to [ [USS Sea Shadow] ]

Ignore the spaces between the "[" and "]", it's just so you can see what the formatting. I'm going to change that link back the original way. If you have a problem please feel free to leave a comment on my discussion page.Bubbleboys 00:52, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

cvg-stub
Is it just me or is the Template:cvg-stub really smushed together? I think after the software upgrade thingy it might have changed it. Do you see any difference? Thunderbrand June 28, 2005 05:30 (UTC)

Revolution
"As a result of this revision, I had an edit conflict with you, hence my last edit essentially redoing your last edit. I had moved so much stuff around that instead of incorporating your edit, I decided it would much better to just save and then redo yours. Just letting you know so you understand why. K1Bond007 June 29, 2005 06:49 (UTC)"
 * Yup, no problem, I had assumed that. I think the revisions where badly needed, especialy now that the article has grown over 20kb in size. Good job. Hopefully we can continue to work together along with the rest of the community to improve and update the article to even greater extents. Take care. --Ritz 29 June 2005 06:55 (UTC)

Soul Calibur
Yeah, the page is kinda messed up, and having Soul Edge there and then its own article is kinda weird. I was thinking of putting them in their own articles like you said earlier. I guess I would have to change my nomination to something else then, like SCII maybe. Comments? Thunderbrand July 2, 2005 04:36 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll get on it right away. I'll just leave the nom. for the first SC game. Thunderbrand July 2, 2005 04:53 (UTC)

A fellow Bond fan...
Thank you for adding the after Johanna Harwood.Copperchair 7 July 2005 06:25 (UTC)

How's this for teamwork, huh? Copperchair 7 July 2005 06:25 (UTC)

Ivers2
Looks like we got a weirdo on our hands.... Thunderbrand July 6, 2005 05:01 (UTC)
 * I guess it stopped for now. Do you think that it was a sockpuppet user? I find it kind of odd. Probably just one person talking to themselves back and forth. Thunderbrand July 6, 2005 15:48 (UTC)

Fixed
Someone had uploaded a new one with the same name. I deleted it and informed the user. Andre ( talk ) July 6, 2005 23:10 (UTC)

Arcade Infobox Notes/Ports
I've started a poll regarding the final decision (hopefully) of the Notes and Ports fields of Template:Infobox Arcade Game. Since you've been involved prior discussion on the WikiProject, your vote would be helpful. Poiuyt Man talk 7 July 2005 17:14 (UTC)

Template:Steven Spielberg's films
As the result of a dispute over its previous TFD, the template showing Spielberg's films has been folded into a discussion of similar templates and renominated for deletion. I am contacting everyone who voted on the original TFD so that they will have another chance to make sure their opinion is heard.

The new vote is here.

Dragons flight 01:30, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

From Russia with Love
Thanks for correcting my mis-spelling. Wyss 18:10, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Nintendo Revolution
Thank you for moving "Confirmed titles". Havok 01:45, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

A View to a Kill
Before I say anything, rest assured I'm not about to start an edit war! I just think that such an absolute statement (as obvious as you may believe it to be) should have some references/supporting facts. e.g. voted x/20 in a magazine, box office gross poor by any standard etc. On a personal note; the Bond DVDs I don't own are ones I choose not to own, and of the ones I do A View to a Kill is there, personal taste I suppose. Thanks for your time, Mark 22:02, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm happy with that. I hope you see where I'm coming from, it is a very strong assertion to make with no evidence to support it. I think the examples you supplied more than do that. Thanks again for taking the time, Mark 15:47, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

GCOTW Voting/Contributing
I think the edits you made make things very clear. I'll still try to add the Template:GCOTWvoter to talk pages every week. Hopefully we'll see better response. Jacoplane 21:58, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Possible copyright violation in Hiroshi Yamauchi article
Sir,

In reference to possible copyright violation of my own fault in the Hiroshi Yamauchi article, please understand I read the aforementioned text and reworded it as to avoid any copyright violation. The reference article seems to be the only detailed profile of Yamauchi, so please may you review my submission and emphasize or remove any phrases which you consider to be violating the copyright of N-Sider ? Do you believe the section would require a complete rewrite?

Thank you for your assistance,

Grumpy Troll 13:38, 26 July 2005 (UTC).

 * When you find a copyright violation you should put Template:copyvio, as explained in Possible copyright infringements. In this case. It seems to me that Grumpy Troll has basically taken every paragraph and changed the grammar and words around, but the premise of every paragraph seems to be the same. While this is certainly Plagiarism, I am not entirely sure that is is also a copyright violation. There has to be a way to use such information by changing it sufficiently. Is there a guideline on wikipedia for this? Jacoplane 14:34, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I was modifying my text to include the information source when I was met with an edit conflict, that of the removal of the previous paragraphs due to possible copyright variation. Is citation of the source enough, or was my reworded version too similar to the original? Additionally, do you know of any other sources for information on Yamauchi?

 * Yours sincerely,

 * Grumpy Troll 14:47, 26 July 2005 (UTC).
 * Well citation of the source would be necessary in any case to avoid plagiarism. As I said, I am not exactly sure if it is a copyright infringement. What I would do is not add your text now, because then the copyright violation template would need to be added, which kind of sucks for the GCOTW. When the GCOTW is finished, you could add it and this debate could be had on Wikipedia:Copyright problems, where it could be resolved properly. I'd actually like you to do this, because it's not clear to me when something is considered a violation or not, and this would make clear what wikipedia's policy on this is. Jacoplane 14:58, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Alias episodes table
Yeah, I think that looks good, but it seems like a lot of whitespace is there. I guess it's inevitable, though, cause of the length of the table. Adding it to the other seasons would make it easier for people. Thunderbrand 20:54, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Splinter cell
Sorry about that. I think I clicked on the rollback button by accident. It doesnt give you a preview when you do it, so I guess I wasn't paying attention. Sorry again. Thunderbrand 02:07, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

Spaces in page headers
Hiya, I noticed you removed spaces in wiki page headers. For example, you changed "== Title ==" to "==Title==". Why is this? Is this considered best practice? Do you have a reference for this? Because when editing a page and clicking the "header" button, the spaces are put there automatically. It is a pain to then have to remove them again manually. --SpaceLust 09:11, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Fellow Bond and game freak
Hey Kevin my name is Paul and i just happened to stumble on your page and i noticed that you seem to be a Bond connusieur. Just thought i'd say what's up to another James Bond fan. I own all the movies and many novels. Play all the games and know a whole lot of Bond trivia. Betcha can't stump me!
 * Neat K1Bond007 21:09, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Awesomeness Deletion
I didn't mean to make anyone mad with this article. Please reconsider your vote for deletion. I think it is a nice addition to Wikipedia.

Thank You Brian Uphoff University of Illinois

P.S. I think I might go to the Air Show in Peoria on Saturday
 * 67.167.52.48 07:14, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Articles on Wikipedia have to show some sort of notability. This article does not. It isn't encyclopedic. It was created by you and your buddies - we call that "vanity". I stand by vote. Sorry. K1Bond007 07:23, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

GCOTW voter
no that's cool, this seems more consistent with the other templates. Jacoplane 09:18, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

CCOTW
You did a good job fixing up the page. -- ZeWrestler  Talk 11:45, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Image copyright issue
I created and uploaded to Wikipedia an image representing a timeline of platform games, and in adherence to the Wikipedia guidelines, licensed it under the GFDL, but since it contains copyrighted images (i.e. screenshots of video games), I am unsure as to whether or not another licence should be appropriately applied. As the co-creator and supervisor of Wikiproject computer and video games, I hoped you would be able to assist me in the issue.

Thank you,

Grumpy Troll (talk) 20:16, 6 August 2005 (UTC).
 * I thought you were the co-creator of the project when in fact you are the co-creator of the infobox — sorry for the confusion. I agree that my image is too large and will try and implement the idea in a more practical fashion. Thank you for your time, Grumpy Troll (talk) 20:42, 6 August 2005 (UTC).

Game genre article category fix
Thanks for reverting category to "genre". When I first browsed the "genre" category showed as a new link. -- Sitearm | Talk 17:22, 2005 August 8 (UTC)

Pearle and future games
There was a small bug in her code, which I've just fixed. CyberSkull cleaned up most of the mess, and I just finished the rest. Thanks for the heads up. -- Beland 01:47, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * All that really needed to be done was to save a page after making no changes. It will not show up in the history, but it will refresh all categories and links associated with that page.~ Dread Lord C y b e r S k u l l ✎☠ 03:51, 2005 August 11 (UTC)

Infobox VG
A quick question, where do I go to discuss changes to Infobox VG (I noticed your name on the talk page)? It's talk page looks to be for usage only. I wanted to discuss making the image parameter optional. I wanted to do Thanks.~ Dread Lord C y b e r S k u l l  ✎☠ 03:56, 2005 August 11 (UTC)

Thanks Dread Lord C y b e r S k u l l ✎☠ 04:05, 2005 August 11 (UTC)

Thank you for GCIDOTW template update
Thank you for updating the GCIDOTW template used on Wikiportal computer and video games. (At the time of the template's creation, the superfluous code you removed was actually necessary.) Grumpy Troll (talk) 18:07, 11 August 2005 (UTC).

Question
I asked you about 9 months ago if you were interested in adminship. You now have 11959 edits - significantly more than me, and a sizable amount in the Wikipedia: and Talk: namespaces. Are you interested in adminship? You won't have to ask me to move and merge pages anymore... :P Andre ( talk ) 05:12, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

 * I'll put a nomination for you on WP:RFA and you just have to answer the questions and write that you accept. Andre ( talk ) 19:16, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

 * Requests for adminship/K1Bond007. Good luck! Andre ( talk ) 19:54, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

Category:Literary characters
We are nearing the end of the CfD discussion on. You origianlly voted to Keep, but you later discussed the possibilities of a rename. However you never formally changed your vote to Keep or Rename or even to just Rename. Given that ) was just clsoed as "no consensus" I would hope for a clearer donsensus on this issue, whouch should IMO guide the action on the sub categories. Perhaps you could review the discussion at WP:CFD and indicte if you support a rename or not? DES (talk) 17:19, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Bond characters
It is a matter of official vs. more specific, then. Copperchair 05:14, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Actually I'm more inclined to having the official cast list, for the same reason you prefer to specify the names (this being an encyclopedia). Copperchair 05:23, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

IMDb prefers the official cast list, only people change the credits all the time. That is why some credits get "locked", so people don't change them. And JamesBond.com doesn't have a "Cast list", it only lists the characters. Copperchair 05:36, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

The complete names are in other parts of the article, anyway. Copperchair 05:55, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, you know what I think. Do what you think is right... Copperchair 05:59, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Re:March of the Penguins
Thanks for the heads up-- ZeWrestler  Talk 20:50, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Question re: Casino Royale edits.
Hey K1Bond007 -

Based on your background and name it looks like you're pretty seasoned on wiki, and on matters relating to bond. May I ask why you reverted my edit to break out the Casino Royale page? I had called it out as the novel page - consistent with other disambiguation pages, IE Heavy Metal, Yellow Submarine, etc. You reverted it back - but I saw you also did some additional cleaning which makes the page much easier to navigate - good work as there will be more attention to this page, with the new film coming out. -- Barrettmagic 08:40 16 August 2005

follow up, Casino Royale
Thanks for the feedback K1. I saw the space that master Casino Royale page was taking up, realized it needed to be broken up soon for space/layout/logic considerations, while I was doing some additions to related page. Thanks again - Barrettmagic 10:30 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Fictional characters
you wrote: ''I just want to get this straightened out before the categories get moved. I'm good with moving Category:Literary characters to Category:Characters in written fiction, and I thought this was going to be the way we were going to go for its subcats. For instance you nominted Category:Literary science fiction characters and suggested moving it to Category:Characters in written science fiction. I'm good with this too because it follows the same format; however, I'm not sure about Category:Literary fantasy characters being moved to Category:Fantasy characters (written). I guess I'm ok with it, but I thought something more like Category:Characters in written fantasy fiction is more along the lines of what we were going for? Tell me which you want. At this point, I don't really care, I'm just making sure I don't have to do this twice :) K1Bond007 20:05, August 16, 2005 (UTC)''

Category:Fantasy characters (written) was my inital suggestion, made before Category:Characters in written fiction had been suggested in the discussion over the parent category. I belive I endorsed Category:Characters in written fantasy (to me "fantasy" implies fiction in this usage) later in the discussion of this category. I think that is an acceptable name, and probably the most consistant. I am ok with any name that includes "written" and does not include "literary" or "literature". DES (talk) 20:15, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Reply about category
Actually, I created a category without knowing its redundancy. It is inevitable that redundant articles can occur on Wikipedia. --SuperDude 22:54, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Havok page move
Just letting you know that if you disagree with the page move, the proper place to indicate your disagreement is on Talk:Havok (software), not Requested moves. You should move your disagreement message there, so that it will be counted in the final tally of votes. —Lowellian (reply) 18:48, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Happens to us all. Happy editing! —Lowellian (reply) 20:10, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

The next james bond
I'm curious. Who do you think the next James Bond is going to be? Jacoplane 21:58, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Zoom Airlines

sponsorship of Motherwell FC
They are still one of the main sposnsors of the club. They are not the main sponsor, but one of them. Tastyniall 17:49, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Fleet re-new
There are plans to renew their fleet of 4 Boeing 767s with Boeing 787-3 and Boeing 787-8 in a two class configiration. They are planning to have 25 airplanes by end of 2013. The fleet will consist of around 15 Boeing 787-8 and around 10 Boeing 787-3. I read this in an article and thought this information might be important. Also a UK based airline for services to USA and Asia is being planned.Dk16 16:31, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

They currently posess a Boeing 757 in their fleet of aircraft that is going to be flying this month. Feel free to add that or research it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.29.93.187 (talk • contribs).

There are no current plans to renew our fleet of 4 767's and 1 757-200 with 787 models. The comment above " having 25 planes by the end of 2013 is pure fiction. There are no plans to go to Asia. Please post the original article to which you found all this speculation. Thanks! Xulu8 23:52, 2 May 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.133.234.252 (talk • contribs).

Zoom Scotland
This article is about the Canadian airline Zoom I would suggest the information on the proposed Scottish company is removed and moved to a separate article.MilborneOne 18:19, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

There is no reason for this, it is the same company.

Reply to unsigned - this is an article about the Canadian airline not a scottish company.MilborneOne 18:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Zoom Airlines Inc is the parent company of the sister division Zoom Airlines Ltd. It would make no sense for there to be two different articles of the same company. Even on flyzoom.ca under company info it states the history of both companies. we dont have two different web pages for zoom airline inc and zoom airlines ltd, it would make noo sense. thanks! Xulu8 18:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I was not suggested that there should be different articles on the companies just different articles on the airlines, although the scottish company is not yet a licenced airline.MilborneOne 18:47, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay you are not making any sense, i do not understand. "Airline, company", same term is it not? Zoom airlines is zoom airlines, it is made up of 2 divisions, zoom airline inc and the fully licensed zoom airlines ltd. yes it licensed fully, for otherwise we would not be selling tickets to new york and bermuda on our website. btw feel free to browse our website www.flyzoom.com and read under company info. One article is enough to describe zoom airlines as a whole, for there is only 1 airline with two divisions. thats all.Xulu8 19:11, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps the key word in the reply is "our website"! Zoom Airlines may have two divisions but they each have to be separately licenced. One Canadian company holds an operating licence it only covers the Canadian operation. The scottish company has to be licensed as a UK airline, but there is no information on the UK Civil Aviation Website to show it is licenced yet []. Interestingly the flyzoom website terms and conditions has the following statement ''If your flight is with Zoom Airlines Ltd, your contract is with Zoom Travel Ltd, a wholly owned subsidiary of Zoom Airlines Ltd. Zoom Travel Ltd holds UK Air Travel Organisor's Licence No 79523, and your payments are protected by the Civil Aviation Authority ATOL scheme.'' this infers it is not an airline but a travel agent that is selling the tickets!. MilborneOne 19:26, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Most of the time, we have separate articles for separate airlines owned by the same company. Mesa Air Group is a good example, where in addition to an article on the parent company (which may not be necessary in this case), we have separate articles for Mesa Airlines, go!, Air Midwest, and Freedom Airlines. -- Hawaiian717 20:54, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello Xulu8, perhaps i can help our rather confused friend understand what you are saying. I am cabin crew from London. Below is information about Zoom the company, I've listed the canadian info as well.

Carrier Information

Flights with prefix Z4 or OOM are operated by Zoom Airlines Inc, the Canadian-based airline regulated by Transport Canada. The airline operates Boeing 767-300 and 757-200 aircraft on the Canadian aircraft register flown by Canada-based aircrew members.

Flights with prefix UKZ are operated by Zoom Airlines Ltd, the UK-based airline regulated by the UK Civil Aviation Authority. It will hold its own, independent operating approvals and certificates and will operate Boeing 767-300 aircraft on the UK register flown by UK-based aircrew members.

Registered Offices

Zoom Airlines Inc is registered in Canada, and its Head Office is at Suite 200, 380 Hunt Club Road, Ottawa, Ontario K1V 1C1, Canada.

Zoom Airlines Ltd is registered in Scotland (company number SC288234). Its Head Office is at 1st Floor, Iain Stewart Centre, Beehive Ring Road, Gatwick Airport, West Sussex RH6 0PB, UK. Its registered office is at 91 Mitchell Street, Glasgow G1 4LN, Scotland.

Zoom Ltd. begins their first flight June 8th!! under airline code: "UKZ"

Zoom Airlines Ltd's history is tied in with Zoom Airlines Inc. This webpage is about " Zoom Airlines" That is what the headline sates. Look at the bigger picture, this page is designated to talk about Zoom Airlines as a whole, thus it will talk about both subsidiary companies.

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Zoom UK
A new article has been created for the UK operation and I have moved relevant info across.MilborneOne 10:33, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Premium economy?
I thought that Zoom Airlines' B757-200 also had premium economy because when you go to book a flight with a B757 it always shows up as having Premium economy. For example booking a YHZ-LGW is operated by a B757 and you can purchase premium economy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.86.124.195 (talk) 14:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Destinations served only by Zoom UK
Some of the destinations listed were only served by Zoom Airlines Limited (the UK sister airline) so they should only be listed on that article, not here. San Diego is one I know, but since I don't know which of the others were only served by the UK airline, I'd like someone who knows the airline better to make the fix. -- Hawaiian717 (talk) 20:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

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Abbott Handerson Thayer

Abbott Handerson Thayer (August 12, 1849 – May 29, 1921) was an American artist, naturalist, and teacher. As a painter of portraits, figures, animals, and landscapes, he enjoyed a certain prominence during his lifetime, and his paintings are represented in major American art collections. He is perhaps best known for his 'angel' paintings, some of which use his children as models.

During the last third of his life, he worked together with his son, Gerald Handerson Thayer, on a book about protective coloration in nature, titled Concealing-Coloration in the Animal Kingdom. First published by Macmillan in 1909, then reissued in 1918, it may have had an effect on military camouflage during World War I. However it was roundly mocked by Theodore Roosevelt and others for its assumption that all animal coloration is cryptic.

Thayer also influenced American art through his efforts as a teacher, training apprentices in his New Hampshire studio.

Early life

Thayer was born in Boston to William Henry Thayer and Ellen Handerson, members of the Thayer family. The son of a country doctor, he spent his childhood in rural New Hampshire, near Keene, at the foot of Mount Monadnock. In that rural setting, he became an amateur naturalist (in his own words, he was "bird crazy"), a hunter and a trapper. Thayer closely studied Audubon's Birds of America, experimented with taxidermy, and made his first artworks: watercolor paintings of animals.

At the age of fifteen he was sent to the Chauncy Hall School in Boston, where he met Henry D. Morse, an amateur artist who painted animals. With guidance from Morse, Abbott developed and improved his painting skills, focusing on depictions of birds and other wildlife, and soon began painting animal portraits on commission. He also taught his sister, Ellen Thayer Fisher, techniques that he was learning.

At age 18, he relocated to Brooklyn, New York, to study painting at the Brooklyn Art School and the National Academy of Design. studying under Lemuel Wilmarth. He met many emerging and progressive artists during this period in New York, including his future wife, Kate Bloede and his close friend, Daniel Chester French. He showed work at the newly formed Society of American Artists, and continued refining his skills as an animal and landscape painter. In 1875, after having married Kate Bloede, he moved to Paris, where he studied for four years at the École des Beaux-Arts, with Henri Lehmann and Jean-Léon Gérôme, and where the American artist George de Forest Brush became his closest friend. Returning to New York, he established his own portrait studio (which he shared with Daniel Chester French), became active in the Society of American Painters, and began to take in apprentices.

Return to New Hampshire

Life became all but unbearable for Thayer and his wife during the early 1880s, when two of their small children died unexpectedly, one year apart. Emotionally devastated, they spent the next several years relocating from place to place. Although he was not yet secure financially, Thayer's growing reputation resulted in more portrait commissions than he could accept. Among his sitters were George Washington Cable, Mark Twain, and Henry James. He also made numerous portraits of the three remaining Thayer children, Mary, Gerald, and Gladys, and used them as models for symbolic compositions such as Angel (1887) and Virgin Enthroned (1891).

After her father died, Thayer's wife lapsed into an irreversible melancholia, which led to her confinement in an asylum, the decline of her health, and her eventual death on May 3, 1891, from a lung infection. Soon after, Thayer married their long-time friend, Emmeline "Emma" Buckingham Beach, whose grandfather Moses Yale Beach owned  The New York Sun. He and his second wife spent their remaining years in rural New Hampshire, living simply and working productively. In 1901, they settled permanently in Dublin, New Hampshire, where Thayer had grown up. The Thayer family frequently entertained prominent guests there such as Ralph Waldo Emerson and Mark Twain.

Eccentric and opinionated, Thayer grew more so as he aged, and his family's manner of living reflected his strong beliefs: the Thayers typically slept outdoors year-round in order to enjoy the benefits of fresh air, and the three children were never enrolled in a school. The younger two, Gerald and Gladys, shared their father's enthusiasms, and became painters. In 1898, Thayer visited St Ives, Cornwall and, with an introductory letter from C. Hart Merriam, the Chief of the US Biological Survey in Washington, D.C., applied to the lord of the Manor of St Ives and Treloyhan, Henry Arthur Mornington Wellesley, the 3rd Earl Cowley, for permission to collect specimens of birds from the cliffs at St Ives. During this latter part of his life, among Thayer's neighbors was George de Forest Brush, with whom (when they were not quarreling) he collaborated on camouflage.

Artistic achievements

It is difficult to categorize Thayer simply as an artist. He was often described in first-person accounts as eccentric and mercurial, and there is a parallel contradictory mixture of academic tradition, spontaneity and improvisation in his artistic methods. For example, he is largely known as a painter of "ideal figures", in which he portrayed women as embodiments of virtue, adorned in flowing white tunics and equipped with feathered angel's wings. At the same time, he did this using methods that were surprisingly unorthodox, such as purposely mixing dirt into the paint, or (in one instance at least, according to Rockwell Kent) using a broom instead of a brush to lessen the sense of rigidity in a newly finished, still-wet painting.

Thayer was largely surrounded by women, be they his family, housekeepers, models or students. Biographer Ross Anderson believed that in his mind "feminine virtue and aesthetic grandeur were inextricably linked"; Thayer felt that the press and even other artists contributed to the degradation of women by emphasizing their sexuality, rather than exalting their moral attributes. When he began to add wings to his figures in the late 1880s, he was making more obvious the transcendent qualities he saw in the female subject: "Doubtless my lifelong passion for birds has helped to incline me to work wings into my pictures; but primarily I have put on wings probably more to symbolize an exalted atmosphere (above the realm of genre painting) where one need not explain the action of the figures.'"

Thayer's first use of the theme was the painting Angel. The wings were nailed into a board, in front of which his daughter Mary stood. The poignancy of Thayer's imagery was found wanting by art critic Clarence King, who suggested the use of buckets "to catch the dripping sentiment", yet other critics like Mariana Van Rensselaer were impressed by the serenity of Thayer's vision, and saw a "distinctly modern" approach in his traditional compositions.

He survived with the help of his patrons, among them the industrialist Charles Lang Freer. Some of his finest works are in the collections of the Freer Gallery of Art, Metropolitan Museum of Art, National Academy of Design, Smithsonian American Art Museum, and Art Institute of Chicago.

Teaching
Thayer was resourceful in his teaching, which he saw as a useful, inseparable part of his own studio work. Among his devoted apprentices were Rockwell Kent, Louis Agassiz Fuertes, Richard Meryman, Barry Faulkner (Thayer's cousin), Alexander and William James (the sons of Harvard philosopher William James), and Thayer's own son and daughter, Gerald and Gladys. He also had a profound influence on Dennis Miller Bunker, who, while not a formal pupil, was invited to paint alongside the older artist in 1886, and wrote "Thayer's the first great man I ever knew, and I can't quite get used to it."

In a letter to Thomas Wilmer Dewing (c. 1917, in the collection of the Archives of American Art, Smithsonian Institution), Thayer reveals that his method was to work on a new painting for only three days. If he worked longer on it, he said, he would either accomplish nothing or would ruin it. So on the fourth day, he would instead take a break, getting as far from the work as possible, but meanwhile instruct each student to make an exact copy of that three-day painting. Then, when he did return to his studio, he would (in his words) "pounce on a copy and give it a three-day shove again". As a result, he would end up with alternate versions of the same painting, in substantially different finished states.

Camouflage contributions

 * Further information: Concealing-Coloration in the Animal Kingdom

Thayer is sometimes referred to as the "father of camouflage". While he did not invent camouflage, he was one of the first to write about disruptive patterning to break up an object's outlines, about distractive markings, about masquerade, as when a butterfly mimics a leaf (though here he was anticipated by Bates, Wallace, and Poulton), and especially about countershading. Beginning in 1892, he wrote about the function of countershading in nature, by which forms appear less round and less solid through inverted shading, by which he accounted for the white undersides of animals. This finding is still accepted widely, and is sometimes now called Thayer's Law. However, he became obsessed with the idea that all animals are camouflaged, spoiling his case by arguing that conspicuous birds like peacocks and flamingoes were in fact cryptically colored. He was vigorously attacked for this in a long paper by Theodore Roosevelt.

Thayer first became involved in military camouflage in 1898, during the Spanish–American War, when he and his friend George de Forest Brush proposed the use of protective coloration on American ships, using countershading. The two artists did obtain a patent for their idea in 1902, titled "Process of Treating the Outsides of Ships, etc., for Making Them Less Visible", in which their method is described as having been modeled on the coloration of a seagull.

Thayer and Brush's experiments with camouflage continued into World War I, both collaboratively and separately. Early during that war, for example, Brush developed a transparent airplane, while Thayer continued his interest in disruptive or high-difference camouflage, which was not unlike what British ship camouflage designer Norman Wilkinson would call dazzle camouflage (a term that may have been inspired by Thayer's writings, which referred to disruptive patterns in nature as "razzle dazzle".)

Gradually, Thayer and Brush entrusted their camouflage work to the responsibility of their sons. Concealing-Coloration in the Animal Kingdom (1909), which had taken seven years to prepare, was credited to Thayer's son, Gerald. At about the same time, Thayer once again proposed ship camouflage to the U.S. Navy (and was again unsuccessful), this time working not with Brush, but with Brush's son, Gerome (named in honor of his father's teacher).

In 1915, during World War I, Thayer made proposals to the British War Office, trying unsuccessfully to persuade them to adopt a disruptively patterned battledress, in place of monochrome khaki, though he was too anxious to attend the meeting in person. Meanwhile, Thayer and Gerome Brush's proposal for the use of countershading in ship camouflage was approved for use on American ships, and a handful of Thayer enthusiasts (among them Barry Faulkner) recruited hundreds of artists to join the American Camouflage Corps..

Later years

Despite rapid changes in the art world in the early 20th century, Thayer's reputation remained strong. He was an early member of the American Academy of Arts and Letters. Yale University offered him an honorary degree in 1916, and the Carnegie Institute in Pittsburgh mounted an exhibition of his work in 1919 that included over fifty paintings. The view from his home of Mt. Monadnock became a favorite subject, and when the area was threatened with development Thayer campaigned successfully for its preservation.

By his own admission, Thayer often suffered from a condition that is now known as bipolar disorder. In his letters, he described it as "the Abbott pendulum", by which his emotions alternated between the two extremes of (in his words) "all-wellity" and "sick disgust". This condition apparently worsened as the controversy grew about his camouflage findings, most notably when they were denounced by former U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt. As he aged, he suffered increasingly from panic attacks (which he termed "fright-fits"), nervous exhaustion, and suicidal thoughts, so much so that he was no longer allowed to go out in his boat alone on Dublin Pond. Thayer continued to paint, but was compelled to stop working for weeks at a time due to nervous exhaustion. In an effort to avert suicidal thoughts, he sought help at a sanatorium in Wellesley, Massachusetts.

At age 71, Thayer, disabled by a series of strokes, died quietly at home on May 29, 1921.

Legacy
In October 2008, a documentary film about Thayer's life and work premiered at the Smithsonian American Art Museum. Titled Invisible: Abbott Thayer and the Art of Camouflage, it featured a wide selection of his drawings and paintings, archival photographs, historic documents, and interviews with humorist P. J. O'Rourke, Richard Meryman, Jr. (whose father was Thayer's student), camouflage scholar Roy R. Behrens, Smithsonian curator Richard Murray, Thayer's friends and relatives, and others.

Unpublished sources

 * "Abbott Handerson Thayer And Thayer Family Papers", Archives of American Art Smithsonian Institution, consisting of Thayer's correspondence, photographs, and other manuscript material
 * "Thomas B. Brumbaugh research material on Abbott Handerson Thayer and other artists", Archives of American Art, Smithsonian Institution
 * Letter from Thayer to the land agent of Earl Cowley, dated June 2, 1898, at the Cornwall Record Office, Ref. No. GHW/12/3/6/1/91/43.

Published sources

 * Ross Anderson (1982). Abbott Handerson Thayer. Syracuse, NY: Everson Museum.
 * Roy R. Behrens, "The Theories of Abbott H. Thayer: Father of Camouflage" in Leonardo. Vol 21 No 3 (1988), pp. 291–296.
 * Roy R. Behrens, "Abbott H. Thayer's Anticipation of a Computer-Based Method of Working" in Leonardo. Vol 34 No 1 (2001), pp. 19–20.
 * Roy R. Behrens, "The Meaning of the White Undersides of Animals: Abbott H. Thayer and the Laws of Disguise" in False Colors: Art, Design and Modern Camouflage (Bobolink Books, 2002). ISBN 0-9713244-0-9.
 * Mary Fuertes Boynton (1952) Abbott Thayer and Natural History. St. Catherine Press
 * Nancy Douglas Bowditch, George de Forest Brush (William Bauhan, 1970).
 * Barry Faulkner, Sketches from an Artist’s Life (William Bauhan, 1973).
 * Erica E. Hirshler, Dennis Miller Bunker: American Impressionist. Museum of Fine Arts, Boston, 1994. ISBN 0-87846-423-9
 * Kevin M. Murphy, "Not Theories but Revelations" The Art and Science of Abbott Handerson Thayer. Williams College Museum of Art, 2016. ISBN 978-0981576275
 * Elizabeth Prelinger, The Gilded Age: Treasures from the Smithsonian American Art Museum. Watson-Guptill, New York, 2000. ISBN 0-8230-0192-X
 * Hanna Rose Shell, '"Instantaneous Photography and Abbott Thayer's Modeling of Invisibility in Nature and Man" in Hide and Seek: Camouflage, Photography, and the Media of Reconnaissance (Zone Books, 2012). ISBN 9-7819-3540-822-2
 * Abbott H. Thayer and Gerald H. Thayer, Concealing Colouration in the Animal Kingdom (New York: Macmillan, 1909/1918).
 * Nelson C. White, Abbott H. Thayer: Painter and Naturalist (Connecticut Printers, 1951).
 * Nancy Stula with Nancy Noble, American Artists Abroad and their Inspiration (New London: Lyman Allyn Art Museum, 2004).
 * Nelson C. White, Abbott H. Thayer: Painter and Naturalist (Connecticut Printers, 1951).
 * Nancy Stula with Nancy Noble, American Artists Abroad and their Inspiration (New London: Lyman Allyn Art Museum, 2004).

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Wolf Blass

Wolf Blass is an Australian winery based in Nuriootpa, South Australia within the Barossa Valley wine region.

Overview
It was established in 1966 by Wolfgang Blass (born 2 September 1934), a German immigrant who arrived in Australia in 1961 with little money but with a diploma in winemaking. One of his first jobs was with Tolley, Scott and Tolley as a winemaker. Wolf Blass Wines Ltd was purchased by Mildara in 1991, to form Mildara Blass, and was itself bought by Fosters Brewing six years later, which then acquired the Rothbury Group in 1998.

Contentions by Blass include that "parasitic and idiotic funding systems for overseas promotion mean that overproduced wine from Australian irrigated fruit will hit rock bottom, facing competition from South Africa", and "Barossa should focus on what it does best: full-bodied Shiraz". He has also stated that "No table wine over 15% [ alcohol by volume ] should ever get any medal, anywhere in the world, ever."

Sponsorship and scholarships
Wolf Blass Sponsor AFL Women's.

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Mehmed Emin Âli Pasha

Mehmed Emin Âli Pasha, also spelled as Mehmed Emin Aali (5 March 1815 – 7 September 1871), was a prominent Ottoman statesman during the Tanzimat period, best known as the architect of the Ottoman Reform Edict of 1856, and for his role in the Treaty of Paris (1856) that ended the Crimean War. Âli Pasha was widely regarded as a deft and able statesman, and often credited with preventing an early break-up of the empire.

Âli Pasha advocated for a western style of reform to modernize the empire, including secularization of the state and improvements to civil liberties. He worked to pacify nationalist movements while at the same time fend off foreign aggressors that were trying to weaken Ottoman control. He advocated for an Ottoman nationalism that would replace diverse ethnic and religious loyalties.

From humble origins as the son of a doorkeeper, Âli Pasha rose through the ranks of the Ottoman state and became the Minister of Foreign Affairs for a short time in 1840, and again in 1846. He became Grand Vizier for a few months in 1852, then again Foreign Minister in 1854. Between 1855 and 1871 he alternated between the two jobs, ultimately holding the position of Foreign Minister seven times and Grand Vizier five times in his lifetime. He was awarded the Order of the Red Eagle, 1st Class (for non-Christians) in 1851.

Early life
Mehmed Emin Âli Pasha was born on March 5, 1815, in Istanbul into a home of modest means. He was born the son of a shopkeeper, with no formal education except three years of primary school. It was in primary school that Âli Pasha learned to read and write in addition to memorizing some surahs of the Quran. Nonetheless, Âli Pasha did continue to educate himself, including teaching himself French. He started his lengthy public service career at the age of 14 as a clerk in the Imperial Council. The next year Âli Pasha was transferred to the records department of the Imperial Council. Once again Âli Pasha was transferred a year later, this time to the Translation Office.

Translation Office
The Translation Office (Tercüme Odası, known in English as the office of the "dragoman" from the Turkish tercüme, "translation") was set up in response to Greek independence. This was due to the fact that, prior to Greek independence, many Greeks had acted as translators in government business. Consequently, the Greek uprising for independence resulted in an exodus of the Greek translators working for the government and left a demand for translators. In addition, internal affairs including, the defeat of Ottoman armies at the hand of the Egyptians and the Treaty of Hünkâr İskelesi with the Russians, diplomacy became more important. Such developments not only led to growth within the Translation office, but also to higher scrutiny of the Translation Office and it increased salaries. The job, however, didn't just improve Âli Paha's lot in life; it also impacted his future policies. For instance, Âli Pasha and others in the Translation Office, such as Âli Pasha's future partner in reform, Mehmed Fuad Pasha, got needed experience in the world of diplomacy through the work of translation in that very field. This exposure to the diplomatic realm distanced Mehmed Emin Âli Pasha from the values of traditional Ottoman society while at the same time developed within him the values of a rational bureaucrat.

Under Mustafa Reşid Pasha
In 1835 Âli Pasha was appointed second secretary to the Embassy in Vienna, where he studied the organization of the Austrian Empire. A few years later Âli Pasha found himself as counselor to Mustafa Reşid Pasha. Although, Mustafa Reşid Pasha was only ambassador to the Court of Saint James, better known as the royal court of Britain, he would be appointed Grand Vizier in 1839 and began a period of reform in the Ottoman Empire, known as the Tanzimat period. Mustafa left Âli Pasha in charge while he headed back to the Ottoman Empire to take his position as Grand Vizier. This development eventually would lead to Âli Pasha being made the official ambassador and he would continue to rise higher and higher in political office. When Âli Pasha himself was made Grand Vizier in 1852, he was the youngest ever appointed.

The Crimean War
In 1854 during the Crimean War Âli Pasha was recalled from retirement in order to take the portfolio of foreign affairs for a second time under Reshid Pasha and in this capacity took part in 1855 in the conference of Vienna. In 1855 he again became the Grand Vizier for one year, an office he filled no less than five times; in that role he represented the Porte at the Congress of Paris in 1856 and signed the peace treaty that ended the Crimean War.

Âli Pasha as an Ambassador
In 1846 Mehmed Emin Âli Pasha was made Minister of Foreign Affairs under Mustafa Pasha which is no surprise given his well honed skill in diplomacy. Sultan Abdülaziz, who often clashed with Âli Pasha over the powers of the Grand Vizier, admitted that he could not replace such a man so recognized in Europe. It was during his role as ambassador that Âli Pasha promoted friendship with England and France as well as incorporating western practices into the Ottoman Empire. For example, based on his experience of the education system of France, Âli Pasha laid the foundation of the prestigious Galatasaray High School in its modern form, where children of minority religions would be taught amongst Muslim students. This was done so that people of other religions would cease to see the Turks as enemies. Âli Pasha's responsibilities and recognition increased further when he was chosen as lead delegate for the peace talks, while being appointed Grand Vizier again in the 1855 Congress of Vienna, following the Crimean war. It was there that he formatted a peace settlement that included the Ottoman Empire into the Concert of Europe, a balance of power among European nations, and that the other powers of the Concert of Europe would respect the territories of the Ottoman Empire and its independence. Subsequently, it was altered somewhat and incorporated into Article seven of the 1856 treaty of Paris.

Edict of 1856
Although the intervention of England, France, and Sardinia in the Crimean War, in addition to the Treaty of Paris in 1856, saved the Ottoman Empire from Russia, the Ottoman Empire was now facing external pressure from its saviors to treat all their citizens equally regardless of religion. In response, Grand Vizier Âli Pasha formulated the Hatt-i Humayun reform edict of 1856. This promised equality to everyone in front of the law, opened civil offices to all subjects, guaranteed the security of life and property of non-Muslims and promised no one would be forced to change their religion. As a result, there was an increase of Christian missionaries in the Ottoman Empire. This created a concern that Muslims would convert to Christianity and get out of military service. In response to this fear, the Ottoman Empire ended up making a policy that conversion would not be allowed. In short, converts to Christianity could be arrested and punished. The new freedoms also were unpopular with some non-Muslim members of the Ottoman population. Christian subjects, for instance, were angry for being put on the same level as Jews.

Âli Pasha versus the opposition
Âli Pasha constantly battled the sultan on the powers of the Grand Vezir during his time in office. He not only insisted that the sultan defer to him for ministerial appointments, but also secretaries and even attendants. Âli Pasha was also known to remove those with whom he disagreed politically, such as, the Young Ottomans. The Young Ottomans disagreed vehemently with the Tanzimat reform and saw it as pandering to the demands of Europe at the expense of sharia law. Âli Pasha, on the other hand, wanted the fusion of all subjects by providing equal opportunities in education and public office, with the result being that Christians no longer would see themselves as oppressed by the Ottoman state, therefore leading to a more stable empire. This idea of fusion of Ottoman citizens was known as Ottomanism and the Young Ottomans did not share this view, expressing their views through media like newspapers. Although the opposition tactics of the Young Ottomans were within the boundaries of Istanbul censorship, Âli Pasha nonetheless closed down their newspapers and banished them.

During Abdul Aziz's 1867 European tour, Âli Pasha stayed in the capital and was appointed regent of the Ottoman Sultanate, for a 44 day period.

Treatment of the Baha'is
See Baha'u'llah's letter to Âli Pasha here.

Death and legacy
His close friend and fellow Tanzimat reformer was Fuad Pasha, who died in 1869 as the acting foreign minister. Upon his death, Âli Pasha took on the roles of both foreign minister and prime minister (grand vizier). Grieving over the death of Fuad Pasha, and with the added stress of enacting reforms by himself, Âli Pasha's health began to deteriorate. He was stricken with tuberculosis and died on 7 September 1871 after three months of illness, at the age of 56.

In response to his death, the Young Ottomans returned from exile, hoping to find a government more in line with their ideals. The Tanzimat period was terminated. The new Vezir, Mahmud Nedim Pasha, was an advocate of sultan absolutism, and the only thing he shared at all with the Young Ottomans was the belief of an Islamic character of the Ottoman Empire.

Âli Pasha's testament
In 1910, a political testament of the deceased Âli Pasha was published. The document was written in 1871, just before his death, and was addressed to Sultan Abdülaziz. In it, he recounts his accomplishments such as keeping the Ottoman Empire intact, improving the bureaucracy, dealing with revolts with minor concessions, starting railroad construction and appeasement of European powers. He also mentions some failures on his part, such as the inadequate tax system, and goes on to give the sultan advice for the future. Such advice includes maintaining religious freedom, accepting non-Muslims into the armed forces and civil service, and improving the tax system by employing controlled companies to collect taxes. However, later research has cast serious doubt on the accuracy and authenticity of the testament. Aydogdu has shown that the testament was received as a hoax when it was first published in a newspaper in 1871 after Âli Pasha's death and it was not advocated by any of the Pasha's inheritors.

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Removing The Count
I'm well aware that the toolserver is currently down; however, by removing the count link you make the template essentially the same as (user). I've reverted it back as the current format is causing seriosuly conflicts with my external apps, and I'm sure is causing difficulties for others. I might note that, while the toolserver may be down for some time, as of right now the data is relatively current. If you decide to change the template back, please comment on my talk page after doing so, so that I can find an alternative solution. Thanks. AmiDaniel (Talk) 23:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Note that the toolserver may be down for quite a long long time. So as time moves on the count link will be increasingly misleading. and it will eventually have to be removed. So why not use this meantime to improve your tool so it does not depend on having such link? -- ( drini's page   ☎  ) 21:04, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm now reworking the tool(s) to use the user template and my own edit counter; however, until I can release v1.2 of VandalProof, any changes to this template will disable 181 people from using the tool. I understand that the toolserver will likely be down permanently and am very frustrated (as I'm sure many software/tool developers are) that no heads up was given that the en wikipedia would no longer replicate data to the toolserver (in fact, to this day very little has been / is being told to anyone by the devs). I appologize for the inconvenience; however, as the template will likely just be deleted (as there's no need for two identical templates), I don't see any hindrance to users by leaving the template as is for just a couple more weeks. AmiDaniel (Talk) 22:17, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I changed count to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js?username=. It should work. --Actown e 18:10, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Now that the toolserver is somewhat back up, and still useful for seeing editing histories, how about having both Tool2 and the original? --Rory096 07:11, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Works for me. Just please leave talk and contribs as the first items, in the same order, and with the same bullet points. AmiDaniel (talk) 10:38, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm, but how to distinguish between the two? --Rory096 05:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

WTF?
The toolserver has been up and running for infinity, and now it gives me a 403 error when I try to find out my edit count :( ~  Flame vip  e  r  19:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

All counts list?
It would be helpful if someone would provide links to all the different counters? Thanks... ~  Flame vip  e  r  23:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Count link no longer active, soxred93 toolserver.org account expired
It looks like whoever owned the soxred93 account on toolserver.org has had their account expire to inactivity... seems kind of stupid that it's not more decentralised but yeah:

-- Mistress Selina Kyle  ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉ )  06:55, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * This was fixed here. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 21:49, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem glad to help :)

 * You should maybe consider maybe having important stuff like that which is used by multiple templates on some kind of shared "wikipedia" account so that it's not reliant on one person being around -- Mistress Selina Kyle   ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉ )  15:16, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Can't access my count?
I cannot access my edits, please see below link and fix the problem.:  Thanks in advance. Jugni (talk) 07:40, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * why not use the link provided by the template, ? Frietjes (talk) 16:24, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the link which I already knew, but why can't I view the details on toolserver link. --Jugni (talk) 11:55, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * the link you provided doesn't work. use the one that I provided, which is the one provided by the template.  also, see the thread directly above this one. Frietjes (talk) 15:15, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit count
Hi, my edit count has expired. Can I renew it, please? Thanks. Jack1956 (talk) 19:47, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

New edit count tool
The user analysis tool has been updated and is located at. Can somebody update the template coding to accomodate the modification?  D ip ta ns hu Talk 11:19, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * fixed. Frietjes (talk) 19:35, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WikiPoliceman/WPPD

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was speedy deleted by FCYTravis for Nonsense. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) 10:23, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

User:WikiPoliceman/WPPD
Inappropriate attempt by a new user to make others think he has some sort of official capacity. Disrupting Wikipedia with a role account. Zoe 19:06, August 18, 2005 (UTC) Comment: Page appears to have been deleted. -- Visviva 12:56, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - per nominator, impersonating a police officer is a felony, even in cyberspace --Outlander 19:26, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - Someone might think this is actual Wikipedia policy or enforcement - Tεx  τ  urε  19:27, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * While I completely agree with the arguments here, has anyone simply asked the user to change the page? That'd be a lot easier, methinks. JDoorjam 20:14, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Changing the page content wouldn't change the user name, which in itself could be misused --Outlander 21:55, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a harmless user page. No one with any intelligence is going to take him seriously. Gateman1997 20:16, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I've issued an infinite block on the user per the Username policy - "names that serve to confuse readers." Clearly, this is a trollish/WP:POINT-violating username. FCYTravis 20:37, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Slave bracelet

Slave bracelet may refer to:
 * A copper bracelet used as a medium of exchange in the West African slave trade, see Manillas.
 * Any bracelet made of chain links.
 * Hand chains, an Arabic wrist bracelet joined to a ring by a chain.
 * A bracelet worn by a slave (this meaning comes from BDSM fiction, e.g. John Norman's Gor series of novels; in this context, it may be a colloquial term for handcuffs).

Slave bracelets are a piece of jewelry associated with several cultures. As it refers to the hand adornment often worn by belly dancers or associated with harem jewelry, the slave bracelet or hand chain consists of a bracelet that attaches to a ring via a chain, bejeweled links, or other ornate hand connector along the back of the hand. They have been a popular accessory worn by members of the Gothic subculture as well as those of the BDSM community, specifically dominant–submissive couples as a symbol of ownership between master (BDSM) and slave (BDSM).

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Ivan Kušan

Ivan Kušan (30 August 1933 – 20 November 2012) was a Croatian writer.

Kušan was born in Sarajevo, Kingdom of Yugoslavia to the family of Jakša Kušan, a bookstore owner. The family moved to Zagreb in 1939. At the age of ten Ivan discovered his writing talent and wrote his first novel.

Later, Kušan discovered a taste for world travel and visual arts. In the 1950s he worked on Radio Zagreb. From 1980 to 1994 he taught at the Drama Arts Academy of University of Zagreb.

He published his first book in 1956. His specialty became children's novels, and some of them, like Lažeš, Melita and Koko u Parizu, became very popular. In the later stages of his writing career, Kušan found a taste for erotic fiction. He also wrote a novel about famous outlaw Jovo Stanisavljević Čaruga, later adapted into 1991 motion picture.

Personal life
Kušan was married twice and had one son from his first marriage. He had several strokes from which he never recovered, which ultimately led to his death in Zagreb, Croatia on 20 November 2012.

Books by Ivan Kušan
Kušan published four short story collections and fifteen novels, but he is best known for his children books. He wrote one short story collection, Strašni kauboj consisting of 30 stories usually 5-10 pages long. Other children books are eight novels. These are in chronological order: Uzbuna na Zelenom Vrhu, Koko i duhovi, Domaća zadaća, Zagonetni dječak, Lažeš, Melita, Koko u Parizu, Ljubav ili smrt and Koko u Kninu. His most famous book is Koko u Parizu. It has been adapted for a theatre play and a film.

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Fort Belvoir

Fort Belvoir is a United States Army installation and a census-designated place (CDP) in Fairfax County, Virginia, United States. It was developed on the site of the former Belvoir plantation, seat of the prominent Fairfax family for whom Fairfax County was named. It was known as Camp A. A. Humphreys from 1917 to 1935 and Fort Belvoir afterward.

Fort Belvoir is home to a number of significant United States military organizations. With nearly twice as many workers as The Pentagon, Fort Belvoir is the largest employer in Fairfax County. Fort Belvoir comprises three geographically distinct areas: main base, Davison Army Airfield, and Fort Belvoir North.

Plantation
The Fort Belvoir site was originally the home of William Fairfax, the cousin and land agent of Thomas Fairfax, 6th Lord Fairfax of Cameron the proprietor of the Northern Neck, which stood on land now part of the base. William Fairfax purchased the property in 1738 when his cousin arranged for him to be appointed customs agent (tax collector) for the Potomac River, and William erected an elegant brick mansion overlooking the river, moving in with his family in 1740. Lord Fairfax came to America in 1747 and stayed less than a year at the Belvoir estate before moving to Greenway Court. The Fairfax family lived at Belvoir for over 30 years, but eldest son (and heir) George William Fairfax sailed to England on business in 1773, never to return. The manor home was destroyed by fire in 1783.

The ruins of the Belvoir Mansion and the nearby Fairfax family grave site are listed on the National Register of Historic Places.

Fort
The post was founded during World War I as Camp A. A. Humphreys, named for Union Army general Andrew A. Humphreys, who was also Chief of Engineers. The post was renamed Fort Belvoir in the 1930s at the request of Howard W. Smith, a Congressman from Virginia, in recognition of the Belvoir plantation that once occupied the site. The adjacent United States Army Corps of Engineers Humphreys Engineer Center retains part of the original name.

Camp Humphreys was established in World War I as the U.S. Army Engineers Training School. It served as the post-graduate institution for U.S. Military Academy engineers and a finishing school for engineering troops headed to war. The school, which came to host the Engineer Officer Basic Course, relocated in 1988 from Fort Belvoir to Fort Leonard Wood, in Missouri.

As a result of the 2005 Base Realignment and Closure Commission, a substantial number of personnel were transferred to Fort Belvoir, and others were civilians employed there. All major Washington, D.C.-area National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) facilities, including those in Bethesda, MD, Reston, VA, and Washington, D.C. were consolidated at a new facility, the NGA Campus East, situated on the former Engineer Proving Ground site. The cost of the new center was $2.4 billion.

The Army Historical Foundation announced in March 2017, its intent to begin the construction of the National Museum of the United States Army at Fort Belvoir. The museum, set on 84 acre, will tell the story of the army since 1775. The 185,000 sqft museum will feature historical galleries, an "interactive Experiential Learning Center" and the Army Theater. There will also be outdoor venues including a Memorial Garden, Amphitheater, Parade Ground, and Army Trail. It opened to the public on November 11, 2020.

In 2020, in the wake of the George Floyd protests and petitions to rename U. S. army bases with names related to the Confederacy, it was proposed that the fort be renamed as well. While not named after a Confederate officer, it was renamed after a slave plantation that was once owned by prominent 18th century Loyalist land owner George William Fairfax. Representative Howard W. Smith, who requested the 1930 renaming, was an old-school Southern Democrat who was sympathetic to the then-popular Dunning School of history that revered the Confederacy, and resented a base in Virginia being named after Andrew A. Humphreys, a Union Army general. The name of the base has been criticized as improperly nostalgic for slavery and the antebellum era.

In June 2021, the fort was initially included in a list of military bases to be considered for renaming by a newly created Naming Commission. Later in March 2022, the Commission determined that Fort Belvoir did not meet the criteria provided in the 2021 National Defense Authorization Act for making a renaming recommendation. However, the Commission recommended that the Department of Defense conduct its own review of the naming of the fort based on results of the commission's historical research.

Units and agencies
Fort Belvoir serves as the headquarters for the Defense Logistics Agency, the Defense Acquisition University, the Defense Contract Audit Agency, the Defense Technical Information Center, the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command, the United States Army Military Intelligence Readiness Command, the Missile Defense Agency, the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.

Fort Belvoir is home to the Virginia National Guard's 29th Infantry Division (Light) and elements of ten Army Major Commands; nineteen different agencies and direct reporting units of the Department of Army; eight elements of the United States Army Reserve and the Army National Guard; and twenty-six Department of Defense agencies. Also located here are the 249th Engineer Battalion (Prime Power), the Military District of Washington's 12th Aviation Battalion which provides rotary-wing movement to the DoD and Congress, a Marine Corps detachment, a United States Air Force activity, United States Army Audit Agency, and an agency from the Department of the Treasury. In addition, Fort Belvoir is home to National Reconnaissance Office's (NRO) Aerospace Data Facility-East (ADF-E).

Demographics
Fort Belvoir is a census-designated place, consisting of the South Post and North Post and excluding Davison Army Airfield, the North Area, and the Southwest Area. Neighboring CDPs are Mount Vernon to the east, Woodlawn and Groveton to the northeast, Hayfield and Kingstowne to the north, and Franconia and Newington to the northwest.

2020 census
At the 2020 census (some information from the 2022 American Community Survey) there were 7,637 people, 2,107 housing units and 1,810 households residing in the CDP. The population density was 862.9 inhabitants per square mile (333.2/km2). The average housing unit density was 238.1 per square mile (91.9/km2). The racial makeup of the CDP was 58.83% White, 16.32% African American, 0.50% Native American, 3.42% Asian, 0.88% Pacific Islander, 4.49% from other races, and 15.57% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race was 16.72% of the population.

Of the households, 86.6% were married couple families, 2.8% were a male family householder with no spouse, and 9.8% were a female family householder with no spouse. The average family household had 4.21 people.

The median age was 19.5, 48.0% of people were under the age of 18, and 0.1% were 65 years of age or older. The largest ancestry is the 13.2% who had Irish ancestry, 9.5% spoke a language other than English at home, and 3.7% were born outside the United States, 70.7% of whom were naturalized citizens.

The median income for a household in the CDP was $97,290, and the median income for a family was $97,101. 19.9% of the population were military veterans, and 51.5% had a bachelor's degree or higher. In the CDP 4.8% of the population was below the poverty line, including 5.2% of those under the age of 18 and none of those aged 65 or over, with 0.5% of the population without health insurance.

Climate
The climate in this area is characterized by hot, humid summers and generally mild to cool winters. According to the Köppen Climate Classification system, Fort Belvoir has a humid subtropical climate, abbreviated "Cfa" on climate maps.

Notable people

 * Jackson Miles Abbott, United States Army officer, birdwatcher, painter
 * Jesse Burch, actor
 * Robert T. Connor, former borough president of Staten Island
 * Wayne Cordeiro, minister
 * John Driscoll, actor
 * John Ebersole, educator
 * Timothy Flanigan, businessman and politician
 * Gregory D. Gadson, soldier, actor, and motivational speaker
 * Larry Izzo, football player and coach
 * Kenneth Kronholm, soccer player
 * Hal Linden, actor
 * Leslie Marx, Olympic fencer
 * Patrick Ness, author
 * William Oefelein, astronaut
 * John Lynch Phillips, astronaut
 * David Rabe, playwright
 * Ahtyba Rubin, football player
 * Rolf Saxon, actor
 * John Wasdin, baseball player
 * Christopher Evan Welch, actor
 * Randy Wiles, baseball player
 * Bill Willingham, comic book writer and artist

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Tonino Delli Colli

Tonino Delli Colli (20 November 1923 – 16 August 2005) was an Italian cinematographer.

Biography
Cousin of Franco Delli Colli, Antonio (Tonino) Delli Colli was born in Rome, and began work at Rome's Cinecittà studio in 1938, at the age of sixteen. By the mid-1940s he was working as a cinematographer and in 1952 shot the first Italian film in colour, Totò a colori. He went on to work with a number of acclaimed and diverse directors including, Sergio Leone (The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, Once Upon a Time in the West and Once Upon a Time in America), Roman Polanski (Death and the Maiden and Bitter Moon), Louis Malle (Lacombe, Lucien), Jean-Jacques Annaud (The Name of the Rose), and Federico Fellini, whose last three films he photographed.

His collaboration with Pier Paolo Pasolini was especially fruitful: they made twelve films together, including Pasolini's debut Accattone (1961), Mamma Roma (1962), The Gospel According to St. Matthew (1964), The Decameron (1971), The Canterbury Tales (1972) and Salò o le 120 giornate di Sodoma (1976).

Although Della Colli did not work regularly with Lina Wertmuller, his cinematography for Pasqualino Settebelleze (Seven Beauties) was a major career highlight.

His last film was Roberto Benigni's Life Is Beautiful (1997), for which he won his fourth David di Donatello for Best Cinematography. In 2005 he was awarded the American Society of Cinematographers' International Achievement Award. In August of the same year, he died at home in Rome.

Tonino Delli Colli died from a heart attack in 2005 at the age of 81 in Rome, Italy.

In 2005, Delli Colli was posthumously awarded the Lifetime Achievement Award at the 13th annual Camerimage Film Festival in Łódź, Poland.

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Talk:The Longines Symphonette

Untitled
The existing article was just a copy-paste job from the third search result on Google, so I did a little research and replaced it. More help is always appreciated. 67.171.100.105 19:08, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

I seem to recall hearing from somewhere that The Longines Symphonette orchestra would be broadcast late at night, why it is said not to rest. Is there a source anywhere?

I have no evidence but my memory, but I believe that the opening theme for the program was "Love's Dream After the Ball", by Czibulka. Cyril N. Alberga — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.29.206.179 (talk) 00:00, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

The Longines Symphonette is referenced in “Birdhouse in Your Soul” by They Might Be Giants. Should that be in the references somewhere? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.140.62 (talk) 19:00, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Tom Metzger

Current line
"In the Summer of 1980, Metzger won the nomination of the Democratic party for the House of Representatives. Metzger, who had changed his party registration from Republican to Democrat earlier in the year due to the state's 45th Congressional District being heavily Republican, and won the primary by 318 votes."

See with the above statement I don't really understand what the district's Republican slant has to do with it, if he won the Democratic primary, or maybe i'm missing something. Derktar 19:10, August 18, 2005 (UTC).

"In recent years, Metzger has advocated the 'lone wolf' method of organization for white supremacist groups." Anyone care to clarify what this means? - Quirk 13:00, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Geraldo
2/20/06 - It was John Metzger, Tom's son who appeared on Geraldo. He was there as leader of the Youth wing of the WAR. Check the video. Anyway, I corrected it - xBrendanx

A Van down by the River?
The biographical article states that "Metzger went broke and lived in a van down by the river for awhile...". Since no precise geographic location was given in that paragraph, it would be sloppy to refer to the river and assume that the reader would know which river. If the expression "living in a van down by the river" is a colloquial expression of being homeless and destitute, it is of rather low quality for an article here. This phrase appears to have been borrowed from Chris Farley's "Matt Foley, Motivational Speaker" character and placed in ths article with its author hoping it would go unnoticed.

A Van down by the River-FACTUAL
The proof that Metzger lived in a van down by the river near Fallbrook, California, in the early 90's, can be found at www.johnnyleeclary.com/metzger.htm There are two photos of Tom Metzger living in the van that can be viewed on this page. To continue to add this on the Metzger page is not vandalism and will continue to be added each time it is removed.

vandals
I deleted the following information from the page because it appears to have been added in to the existing page, and, as you can see, does not appear to be factual:

On April 13, 2006, he was involved in the unfortunate Santa Cruz Minutemen Incident. Metzger, along with 5 other minutemen patrolling the Mexican border found themselves on the wrong side of the border. They were detained by the Mexicanian Federal Border Policia, the special services branch. Upon investigation while he was detained, he was criminally charged of violations against the Mexican state of Chihuaua. Some local rancheros identified him as the culprit behind the sodomy incident of their donkeys, in which 5 of them died, and three more contracted a fatal strain of HIV. Metzger and 3 of the minutemen were charged and found guilty of crossing the border, molesting Mexicanian donkeys, and giving them a fatal strain of HIV. However, they were realesed back to the US for a lack of jail space in the Federated Mexicanoid States. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.251.232.111 (talk • contribs) 6 April 2006 (UTC)

 * considering the evidence, I believe this should be brought back up for debate. The pictures appear to be legitamate. The source, credible. I will wait a week for discussion. If no dissenting voices appear with legitamate counter-points, I will put the mention (unbiased) back into the article. The homeless part, that is. Rsm99833 05:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Howdy rsm99833. You can put whatever you like into the article just as long as....it ain't ORIGINAL research, you SOURCE it and err what else??? Just because you don't hear any dissenting voices doesn't mean much. How about this, put the statement/picture here again with sources. Have a little feedback and THEN add it. Or just blow me off and do what you want. Cheers! --Tom 13:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

also
i missed this line, which appears to have been added at the same time as the other vandalism to the page, so removed it as well:

He was born to Caroll and James Metzger. His family originally came from South Carolina. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.251.232.111 (talk • contribs) 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Mindless reversion
Unless I am severely mistaken, at least three, no, four people have, uh, mistakenly reverted back to the vandalized version of this page. It would appear to me that User:71.251.232.111 had a right - twice - and that some really obvious BS has been re-added *four* times!

Do you really think that
 * ... he helped in deporting his Mexicanoid half sister, who he sold for drugs to local Mexican rancheros, in exchange for crack-cocaine.

has *any* chance of being true? Check the additions by User:209.158.161.194.

If that doesn't make you suspicious, how about
 * One of the surviving armenian donkeys that was infected by hiv by azeri captors in sodomy. after being resqued, it died of the HIV months later, from complications caused by pneumonia

one of their other 'contributions'.

Gentlepeople, you've been had! After placing requests to peek back here on your talk pages, I'll revert and then put the article and this page on my watch list. Please let me know if I've got this wrong. Shenme 07:58, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like I got caught by 216.246.129.152 contributions. They made this and I guess I reverted the Metzger without looking close enough. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 08:09, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

TheKingofDixie
I left you a note on your talk page. Please use facts that can be authneticated from reliable sources if possible. You seem to be adding original research. This article should be totally overhauled to just list the BASIC FACTS. Is this guy really worth it?? Wikipedia's job isn't or should be to determine if somebody is a scumbag, ect, but to present the facts as best as possible and then let the reader decide.Tom 15:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Added RFC under politics as first step to resolution
Anybody please HELP out here :) Tom 15:49, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

cross-burning case

 * The case had been thrown out twice by 2 L.A. judges, only to have charges brought up again by judge J.D. Smith.

This cannot be true:
 * 1) If the case had been "thrown out" once, that ends proceedings under American criminal law.
 * 2) California judges cannot "bring up" charges, much less bring up charges again.

What's the basis for reinserting this claim? -- FRCP11 13:20, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about that specific case, but double jeopardy doesn't apply if it concerns different charges, such as assault, ethnic intimidation, violation of civil rights, etc. I remember one case where two skinheads beat up a black teen, and they were charged with seven different crimes! Again, I don't know about the case mentioned, but it is possible to bring up different charges. -Anon 11:07 18 Dec 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.151.155.213 (talk)

re : john lee clary site
the site does not have the metzger section no more. but even though i hate what tom represents it was very biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sickero (talk • contribs) 10:05, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

List of Children?
I have just seen a documentary about this person, it seems unfair to list his children on this page considering his views. I have removed them. 82.13.115.215 (talk) 17:02, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Undone. The two children mentioned are middle-aged adults, and they openly share their father's convictions. --87.79.40.67 (talk) 15:31, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Relation to Rabbi Metzger
Why is there no mention of his relation to the brothers Rabbi Chaim Metzger from Jerusalem, and Chief Rabbi of Israel rabbi Yonah Metzger?

Take a look at these three: Rabbi yonah Metzger, Tom Metzger and Gustav Metzger.

They have one thing in common besides their last name, they are all descendants of Markus Metzger from Munich and later on Nurenberg.

פשוט pashute ♫ (talk) 21:21, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

 * @Pashute because there is no relation. I doubt the man who was so anti-semetic is actually a Jew. 76.205.53.82 (talk) 02:18, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Change title
Changing the title? no articles on wikipedia thats not political biased have [term here] on them, obviously should be changed to Tom metzger simply. WP:neutrality at stake here77.53.83.6 (talk) 09:46, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

 * Tom Metzger redirects to Thomas Metzger, which is a disambiguation page that lists four different people.Spylab (talk) 02:59, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

German Surname
Metzger is a German Surname. I think he is 100% German Ancestry (Mother and Father).

Oregon trial
The group was eventually bankrupted ...

Not a good way to begin a new section. What group? — MaxEnt 00:32, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

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Wally despised the racist nationalism by Metzger even though Metzger of the two was the obvious right wing guest.

I dislike the above sentence, because it presumes the intrinsically divisive narrative that everyone swims away from the center at all times, and suggests that it's always a shock when anyone refuses to obey his or her natural stripes, even when confronted with the most odious caricature of his or her own political leaning. — MaxEnt 14:58, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

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