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Talk:Welcoming Congregation

Is Welcoming Congregation a UU-only program, or is it also used by churches like Community of Christ? If the former, the first sentence probably needs to include "UU" from the get-go, but I am not sure this is correct, hence no edit. Nae'blis 21:32:13, 2005-08-31 (UTC)
 * The UUs use the name "Welcoming Congregation" but there are other "brands" of the same thing. To my knowledge, the CofC does not have such a programme, although they are a pretty liberal denomination on the matter (especially within the context of the Latter Day Saint movement). Carolynparrishfan 12:40, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I moved the UUA section to the bottom because this article is about gay-friendly churches and not just UUA congregations, I think MPS 20:49, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Based on the conversations of this talk page, I have created a new article called LGBT-welcoming church programs that applies to general LGBT-welcoming programs. The current article will be about only the UUA program. MPS 03:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Welcoming Churches in the Episcopal Church
Under "Names for Welcoming Congregations," you listed Oasis as the "Welcoming church progaram" for the Episcopal Church. Actually this is somewhat inaccurate. Oasis began in New Jersey; it was an organization founded by the Diocese of Newark in order to GLBT people welcome in the churches of that diocese, and while other dioceses have started an organization by the same name with the same agenda, this organization is not nationwide. Not all doiceses have organization like Oasis, and have organizations with the same mission but have a different name. On the other hand, Interity is a nation organization for GLBT Episcopalians. Integrity has various local chapters congregational circles, and diocesan and/or state mailing lists. So i think that Integrity should either be liste with or replace Oasis on the "Names for Welcoming Congregations"list in this article.

Also, I think that you guys might want to consider changing the heading of this list from "Names for Welcoming Congregations" to something more accurate, because neither Integrity nor Oasis are progams authorized by the national church in the same way that the "welcoming Congregations" program is authorized by the UUA. And I think other organizations on the list are in the same boat.

Link to Integrity:

I'm not sure why DignityUSA has a section to itself--I'm just going to make it one among the list, with a link to its own page. Also, it's confusing right now that a term specific to UUA is also used as a sort of general category for similar programs in other churches. I'm not sure how best to fix that. Dybryd 06:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Bizarre UU-ecumenical hybrid
This is a very strange article, especially for one who comes to it via a link at one of the other-denominational articles. I clicked on "Welcoming Congregation" in the following sentence at the AWAB article: "It (i.e. AWAB, a Baptist group) is one of many Welcoming Congregation movements to emerge in American Christianity in the 1980s." The way the link is set up, and the way the article is structured, one might almost think the Welcoming Congregation movement was a UU proselytic outfit designed to make non-UUs into UUs.

Obviously what is needed is a general article on the movement, incorporating the list of denominational special terminology currently found in the UU article, linked to articles, where they exist, on the specific denominations' various movements/groups.

Sometime soon I may undertake such an article. I would appreciate feedback on whether to leave the UUA article here or to move it to, say, Welcoming Congregation (UU). --Haruo 06:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I have no idea if there is a single term meaning "any Christian congregation that openly welcomes GLBT people and accepts them as such and doesn't try to 'turn them straight' or tell them that they're 'called to celibacy' and that in most cases is willing to perform some sort of commitment ceremony for same-sex couples". GLBT-friendly Christian congregation perhaps? —Angr 06:40, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I have tried to clarify this in the past, but may have made the problem worse instead. When I came across this article it really did treat all the other churches' programs as if they were offshoots of the UU Welcoming Congregation movement. I restructured it a bit to show the distinction, but may have left some unclear language in the other articles -- or even inserted some, while under a mistaken impression created by the article in its previous form.
 * I am not aware of any direct links between the various programs, and I'm not sure there is any single "movement" except to the extent that the more liberal form of mainstream Christianity is a movement. Really the links are more of a "See Also" list.
 * Dybryd 07:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

 * "Welcoming congregation" has, in fact, become fairly standard, generic usage. I don't think it is derived from UU usage.  Sean Lotz    talk   09:01, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Then maybe the best thing to do is change the sentence at Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists to read something like "It is one of many movements accepting of homosexuality to emerge in American Christianity in the 1980s" and not link to this article at all, except in the "See also" section. —Angr 07:48, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that to write a generic article we need some WP:RS citations for a name for it. It is the case in the Episcopal Church that there is no single organization, and that neither Integrity nor Oasis functions as such a movement (both are advocacy/ministry organizations). Mangoe 13:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't think it's any kind of "official" term, but I have heard "welcoming" used to describe churches/congregations of any denomination that are, well, welcoming of LGBTQ people. I definitely think it would be good to have a generic article about this, with links to the specific ones.  Right now this article is too UU-centric.  The information is good, but shouldn't be the focus of a ~general~ article. --Alynna 13:42, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Based on the conversations of this talk page, I have created a new article called LGBT-welcoming church programs that applies to general LGBT-welcoming programs. The current article will be about only the UUA program. MPS 03:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Move article
I suggest moving this article (renaming it) to "Welcoming Congregation (Universalist Unitarian Association)". There could well be an article entitled "Welcoming congregation" (lowercase c).  Sean Lotz   talk   09:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * But is the term "welcoming congregation" (lower case) really in widespread use? If I went to an Episcopal church in the U.S. and asked the rector "Are you a welcoming congregation?" would he know I was asking about their attitude towards GLBT people, or would he think I was just asking if the congregation was a friendly and welcoming group of people in general? —Angr 09:19, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's that global of a term. If Sean can find a source for other churches using the term independent of the spread of WC in the UUA, then that might be a good article title, but it's probably better off at something like Homosexuality and the church. -- nae'blis 12:54, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Within the UCC, "welcoming" and "affirming" "inclusive" are a fairly common euphemisms/code words for churches that want to invite GLBTs. Such terms are smattered across various UCC denominational literature without any reference to UU programs.

 * I recommend we move this content to Welcoming Congregations (UU) and create a new article called welcoming church programs (google Welcoming Church Programs) for sources) to be the repository for information on various LGBT welcoming church efforts. MPS 15:19, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Based on the conversations of this talk page, I have created a new article called LGBT-welcoming church programs that applies to general LGBT-welcoming programs. The current article will be about only the UUA program. MPS 03:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

And globalise article
See discussion on this between me and BrownHairedGirl at her talk page... --Haruo 09:23, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Good idea. I know there's an organization called "Homosexuelle und Kirche" in Germany, but that isn't so much an organization that existing congregations belong to as a congregation of its own. Your local chapter of HuK holds services at such-and-such church at such-and-such time (usually once a month) that are separate from that church's normal services. —Angr 09:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia is an American encyclopedia, and this page deals with a specifically US term. As one would expect from an American encyclopedia, there is no reference to any usage outside the US nor any admission that this is a specifically US article. "Globalising" it is unlikely to do more than decorate a US article with a few non-US instances. If non-US contributors to Wikipedia see the need for pages about "welcoming congregations" in our own countries, we will doubtless create those pages, and hope to see them survive the judgement whether they are "notable" or "non-notable" by US standards. Yonmei 10:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Um, no. Wikipedia is an international encyclopedia, not an American one. (Notice how British spellings are allowed, for example.) This article deals with a phenomenon within the Unitarian Universalist church, which is worldwide. If another article is written on the phenomenon of Christian congregations making a special effort to welcome GLBT people, there's no reason that should be specific to the U.S. either. —Angr 11:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * This is the English (language) Wikipedia, not the American one, actually. In addition, the UUA is largely an American/Canadian phenomenon; most British churches are either Unitarian or Universalist, for example. Check out http://www.uua.org/CONG/index.php for the relative distribution... -- nae'blis 12:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC), edited 17:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I avoided saying "this is the English Wikipedia" because it's ambiguous. This is the English Wikipedia, but not the English Wikipedia. —Angr 13:10, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Grahr. Right, thanks for the catch, I've edited my above comment. -- nae'blis 17:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Um, yeah. Two Americans pop up to tell me that Wikipedia is an international encyclopedia? No, it's not. This is an American encyclopedia, and I am just beginning to accept (with bad grace) that wiki editors of other nationalities will either break their heads against a wall trying to introduce a genuinely neutral, international viewpoint when that viewpoint is in contradiction to what most American wikieditors accept as "true", or give up trying. Editors in languages not commonly spoken in the US may get rather more editorial freedom, but for those of us editing English wikipages, we are tentatively adding information to an American encyclopedia, in the sure knowledge that Americans can decide it is "not notable" from an American POV and have it deleted, or that it will contract the US POV, be declared not-NPOV - no matter how neutral/accurate it is from an international POV - and have it edited to the American POV. We're outnumbered and we can't win: but at least we can formally make it clear that this is an American encyclopedia. In short: don't bother globalising it. It's American. Yonmei 15:08, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. I thought you were saying you thought Wikipedia was intended to be an American encyclopedia. Actually, you're saying you're bitter because you made a contribution that got removed, and you've decided to blame it on Americans. Okay, that's your prerogative, but it doesn't change the fact that Wikipedia's scope is indeed global and this article must be clarified as to it's supposed to be about a uniquely American phenomenon (a group of congregations belonging to the Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations in North America) or a global one (any Christian congregation that welcomes GLBT members, anywhere in the world). —Angr 15:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, you as an American would interpret it like that, wouldn't you? And as this is an American encyclopedia, you get to consider your interpretation correct, and my experience easily dismissable as a non-American being "bitter" and "blaming the Americans". Wikipedia's scope is indeed global, but that doesn't change the fact that it is an American encyclopedia. Yonmei 16:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, kids, break it up. What's the problem here? We are deciding what this article is about... some interpretations are that it is about the UUA (in the United States) welcoming program or about "LGBT church welcoming programs" in general. Are there other interpretations besides these two? If there are German denominations that have denominational programs to welcome LGBTs into their churches then that would fit the second interpretation. MPS 17:01, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * http://www.uua.org/obgltc/wcp/state.html says 500+ US congregations and 24 Canadian. I think this is a UUA/North American concept, and we need a different page for related programs in other churches/denominations/etc. List of Christian denominational positions on homosexuality might be a good place to start. I do think this has a different scope from Homosexuality and Christianity, as we're talking about official programming, rather that theological attitudes per se (and also that it could encompass more than just Christian denominations). -- nae'blis 17:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * See above thread on Bizarre UU-ecumenical hybrid MPS 17:48, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * (de-indent) I'm not sure I understand your tack here, Yonmei. The English (language) Wikipedia is designed to be inclusive of topics of possible relevance to English speakers, wherever they live. If you've encountered American-bias, I'm sorry to hear that, but I don't believe the answer is to give up and codify the bias. See also WikiProject Countering systemic bias for efforts to avoid this problem (which is indeed widespread). I have faith in my fellow editors that most of them, when shown the evidence you suggest, will choose a global scope over an American one. It is possible, you know, that the editors get it wrong from time to time. Don't let that sully your view of the entire project, please. -- nae'blis 17:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Trying to get some sanity here
In the Episcopal Diocese of Maryland the program is referred to as "Affirming Parishes". I did a Google check of "Affriming Parishes" vs. "Welcoming Parishes" and got 7 pages onthe first, 20 on the second. Using "congregations" instead of "parishes" and screening out "unitarian" got a lot more hits, of course, but part of the problem is that there seems to be an unrelated United Methodist Church program called "Igniting Ministry" which also uses the term.

It seems that there needs to be an expansion of this from just a UU article. However, the problem is that the list of similar programs is at best dubious. I think that the list should be removed and replaced with discussions of the situation in each denomination/whatever-- with citations. We would also need to redirect some of the other names over to here. Mangoe 20:27, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't think we should just talk about the situtation -- that's at List of Christian denominational positions on homosexuality. There are similar programs, whether official or not, in many denominations, and it would be worthwhile to have a list of them while talking about what they have in common. --Alynna 14:33, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Not the positions on sexuality, but discussion of this type of program. What is happening with the unadorned list is that people are dropping every advocacy group out there into the list, whether or not it has anything to do with this type of program. Mangoe 14:47, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Ah, I see. Perhaps fix the list to include:
 * For denominations that have such a program (one that congregations can affiliate with), name the program, maybe a line about its official status or lack thereof.
 * For denominations without such a program, say so, if only so people don't keep trying to add something irrelevant.
 * Would something like that make sense? --Alynna 18:22, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe it would be simpler to re-trim this article to be about the UUA program, and make extensive crosslinking/See Also links to other denominations' programs of a related nature. Even saying that they are "equivalent" is original research, more likely than not... I've cut the entire section out temporarily and placed it below; we should only include those we can find an external, reliable source for the comparison (our opinion doesn't matter here, only our sources' opinion). -- nae'blis 21:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Based on the conversations of this talk page, I have created a new article called LGBT-welcoming church programs that applies to general LGBT-welcoming programs. The current article will be about only the UUA program. MPS 03:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Other Denominations
Similar programs in other denominations are known by a number of names, including:
 * Baptist: Welcoming and Affirming
 * Church of the Brethren, Mennonite Church USA, and Mennonite Church Canada: Supportive Communities Network
 * Christian Church (Disciples of Christ): Open and Affirming.
 * Community of Christ: Welcoming Community Network.
 * Episcopal Church USA: Integrity, Oasis
 * Evangelical Lutheran Church in America and Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada: Reconciling in Christ
 * Metropolitan Community Church: MCC is a church centered in the LGBT community.
 * Presbyterian Church (USA): More Light
 * Roman Catholic Church: DignityUSA works for inclusiveness in the Catholic church, but is not associated with particular congregations.
 * United Church of Canada: Affirm United/S'affirmer Ensemble
 * United Church of Christ: Open and Affirming (abbreviated ONA)
 * United Methodist Church: Reconciling Ministry

Of the above, the ones I can see right away that have established similarities would be Metropolitan Community Church, United Church of Christ's ONA program, and certain Quakers. IntegrityUSA is a grassroots group, not a church-sanctioned program. -- nae'blis 22:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

 * In deciding what's "similar", are we only going with church-sanctioned ones? Reconciling Ministries Network isn't church-sanctioned, but it ~is~ a program whereby congregations can declare themselves welcoming to LGBTQ people.  --Alynna 23:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

LGBT-welcoming church programs
Based on the recent edit by nae'blis moving non-UU content to the talk page, I have decided to take the initiative to create a new article called LGBT-welcoming church programs. I will also attempt to look at the "what links here" section of this article to reroute non-UU specific links to the new article. MPS 03:07, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Cool. Good solution. --Alynna 03:38, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks a lot for taking the trouble with this. Dybryd 21:21, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

A tardy comment
I don't know where best to reply to a discussion that's nearly two months old, but I suspect there are valid historic reasons for keeping this page with its current name and subject: Unitarian Universalists (the North American variety) quietly adopted a variety of proactive positions toward LGBT equality before many of these issues entered mainstream public discussion. As far back as the early 1970s individual UU ministers started performing same-sex unions. The denomination announced official opposition to AIDS discrimination in 1986. They seem to have been the first in most of these regards, which makes a good argument for their program to be a non-disambuguated article. Durova Charg e! 02:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Do we need this article and Unitarian Universalist views of homosexuality both? Neither are very long, and the subject matter is too closely related for separate articles. I suggest we merge them together with a new name inclusive of all LGBT with discussion of Welcoming Congregations as well as UU congregations not part of the program. Aleta 11:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds reasonable, given the length of the articles. Do you have an idea for a new title? --Alynna 05:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Why would it need a new name? What's wrong with Unitarian Universalist views of homosexuality for the whole thing?   Sean Lotz    talk   07:59, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Strange, since I'd consider WC as the proper title, being a self-defined label ("common name") rather than one chosen for parallel structure with other article titles. But I do agree there's no need for two articles; if the Unitarian Universalist views of homosexuality doesn't fully belong here, part of it should go in the main UUA article. -- nae'blis 15:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * My reason for suggesting the "UU views" name is that it seems more natural for the article to be about the organization's views, "Oh, and here is a program which shows the practical application of those views," rather than, "Here's a program the UU has, and that means that they think thus and such about homosexuality." But it's not anything I would argue at great length. And I would certainly want a redirect from "WC" to "UUVoH".  Sean Lotz    talk   01:19, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd choose "UU views..." over WC as the name for the merged article, as WC is part of UU views/position rather than the other way around. But is it more appropriate to keep it as "homosexuality", or be more inclusive of the whole LGBT community, as UUA surely is?  Maybe "Unitarian Universalism and LGBT persons"? --Alynna 05:57, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I like Alynna's proposed title. In general, (1) I think the name needs to be inclusive of all LGBT, as UU is, and (2) WC isn't appropriate because not all UU congregations are part of that program, even if they are welcoming with a small 'w'. Aleta 23:49, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Location of disambig
This disambig page is currently located at Welcoming Congregation, and Welcoming congregation is a redirect to LGBT-welcoming church programs. I think it might make more sense to have the disambig at Welcoming congregation, and redirect Welcoming Congregation either to the disambig or to the appropriate section of Unitarian Universalism and LGBTQ persons. What do other people think? --Alynna 21:37, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:List of archaeological periods (Levant)

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This really ought to be trimmed and generalised or renamed List of archaeological periods in the Levant as it doesn't address periods elsewhere where names and dates are different. adamsan 21:33, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should add some discussion on how this is a general list and period labels are really meant to correlate with developmental milestones that vary from culture to culture... but I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with the list itself, or the title for that matter. - Bantman 22:34, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * But it gives the impression that the Byzantine period was some kind of global culture and that the prehistoric period ended in precisely 568 BC. It ought to state that these dates and divisions are only valid in one tiny portion of the world and therefore the article should recieve a more specific name as above, or be rewritten to cover the whole globe. adamsan 09:12, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I've added discussion that the particular dates are specific to the Levant, that age dates can vary culture to culture, the historical period names are based on Levantine politics, and that archaeologists studying other cultures sometimes find this system useful (and imply that sometimes they don't). Does this address your concerns? - Bantman 17:20, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * My concern I suppose is that we're saying the list represents the most common interpretation of broad archaeological periods. In fact, there are no international standards of periodisation in archaeology let alone a most common one because cultural development varied so much. Even the very simplest iteration of three age system was developed for northern European archaeology and is not applicable elsewhere. The Americas have the Lithic, Archaic, Formative, Classic and Post Classic periods for example (as per Willey and Phillips anyway) which ran between the European mesolithic and medieval periods. Such a vastly different scheme should be mentioned in an article with such a broad title. The same goes for Australasia.

 * I feel that like other list articles, this page should be a long list of links to the nascent set of regional articles we have such as Japanese Paleolithic, British Iron Age or Archaic period in southeastern North America. Alternatively a broad table comparing continents could be doable but could get difficult. adamsan 15:52, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Modern period needs reworking
The list of archeological periods not quite correct in the modern period (previous periods seems fine to me) as it concentrates purely on Middle East region. Apparently that is due to the origins of the list, but still it would be preferable to include different periods in other areas (in Europe late antiquity, early/middle/late medieval, renessaince... that sort of stuff) in order make a complete list. Unfortunately I do not have sufficient knowledge of the periods, the time they cover, and especially other areas than Europe (China and other Asia definitely needs to be on the list). Hopefully somebody could improve the list... Prantasa 13:02, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

To add to this... I find it very odd that the end of the Iron Age is dated to 586 BCE, which, if you look it up, is the year of the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem. I suppose this is consistent with the Middle Eastern-centric list of periods in the modern era, but I think it's inappropriate to date the end of an era of human technological advancement to such a specific historical event.--anon 13 Oct 05

 * This list is based pretty much verbatim from the reference listed. If you would like to change the list, please find an alternate reference as a starting point.  Then we can talk about what the best approach might be to address two differing sources. - Bantman 07:28, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

 * this is very juisy chronology, go ahead and change it. Nasz 09:48, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Revised structure proposal
I have mocked up a start for an overall "Periods" article in tabular and index form in Talk:List of archaeological periods/temp. Please have a look and see if this provides a better structure to fit in the variety that is Regional Archeaological periods. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page)  11:49, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

List of archaeological periods
I have renamed and restructured these articles - so we now have a formal Levantive article, North American article and a start of one for Mesoamerica. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page)  12:44, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was DELETE. -Splash 02:44, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Algebraic potato

 * Hoax. Google has NO hits. GinaDana 21:33, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, like the author said it's a very recent field.
 * delete hoax. Brighterorange 21:41, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It was recently developed at Columbia. See http://www.math.columbia.edu/~ums/.
 * Sounds like a joke by a maths undergrad to me. Delete. --IByte 21:54, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete patent nonsense. Gazpacho 21:49, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete. Undergraduates. Should be wheeled out & shot. --Tagishsimon (talk)
 * Is that a personal belief that you are willing to enforce, or was it supposed to be in some way funny?
 * Foliate their holomorphic sections into a sheaf of germs, that's what I say.
 * Delete that was funny Psy Guy 21:59, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Article is backed up by two universities (Columbia: http://math.columbia.edu/~ums, UW: http://www.math.washington.edu/~arthur) Keep. Undergraduates do research too (see Archive page under UMS)
 * Personal web pages that happen to be hosted by a university domain does not equal "backed up by two universities." (Yes, yes, I know the disk drives on which the web pages reside are probably "backed up" by the University IT department, let's not go there...) Dpbsmith (talk) 00:59, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * UMS is the website of the Undergraduate Math Society, a seminar for undergraduates to present their research, and is acknowledged on the seminars page of Columbia University's Mathematics Department: http://www.math.columbia.edu/~lrb/weeklyseminars.html (linked from the main page http://math.columbia.edu/ as Weekly Seminars)
 * Patent nonsense, belongs to BJAODN. Delete. - Mike Rosoft 23:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete patent nonsense. DV8 2XL 00:28, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Joke nonsense. --Fastfission 00:48, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as probable hoax or joke, certainly as original research, unless good verifiable references are provided prior to expiration of VfD period. If the theory hasn't even been published we can't have an article about it, even if it were true. The following material, from http://www.math.washington.edu/~arthur, tends to reinforce the impression that it's a joke: Dpbsmith (talk) 00:59, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Using Nakapoopoo's lemma, it is clear that this value must be positive, unless it's negative or zero. Next consider primes in an arithmetic sequence and correlate them with the lattice polygons and their associated toric varieties. You may be saying, how does this relate to algebraic potato? Well, the mirror partner to the given toric variety is exactly the potato in question. The proof is long and complex but very enlightening.
 * As the advertisements used to say, "The answer lies in the seaweed, son." Grutness...  wha?  01:17, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Comment Pursuing due diligence, I've made email queries to jm@math.columbia.edu and mathmail@math.washington.edu, the math departments at Columbia and University of Washington, asking whether there is any such theory as "algebraic potato." Dpbsmith (talk) 01:14, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Sweet! Can you post a copy of your email and the response you receive please!
 * Comment What a wonderful idea!  If this is exposed as a fraud, perhaps they'll be forced to take those student pages down. GinaDana 03:13, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment This is very serious fraud. Dpbsmith, thank you for writing an email to Morgan. You are very important! And I believe - as most of us - that the undergraduate evil-doers should be severely punished. Taking down the pages is not enough. Let's waste more time from Columbia professors and make sure they identify these underlings and turn them in, to the Wikicourt, where these overpriviledged ivy-leaguers will have to explain their malignant summer activities. Let's hope they get sentenced to three months of Wiki article deleting. We will show 'em. We are important! Esprungo 00:14, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * (Shrug) When I don't know about something, I ask. My experience is that most professors are pretty amiable and willing to help out. I was always willing to "waste" professors' time by asking questions when I was in college, and I'm willing to do it now. Professor Morgan lists himself as the contact for the department, and I think it's perfectly appropriate to contact people who have indicated a willingness to be contacted.
 * I don't think the students should be "forced to take those student pages down," since those pages don't make any claim of being endorsed by the institutions hosting the pages.
 * I don't think the University of Washington, while a fine institution (with a very nice marine laboratory in the San Juan Islands) is, in the strictest and most literal sense, a member of the Ivy League.
 * I fancy the correct spelling of "overpriviledged" has no "'d."'
 * But I really don't care about those last three points. But I do care about Wikipedia containing accurate information. I happen to think that is important. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:55, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * As "Google hits" seem to be the standard measuring tool used here, a search for "priviledge" turns out around 224,000 results.
 * The same Google search finds Did you mean: privilege --IByte 02:16, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * lol at shrugging people. lol at people who want to pick a fight. (Check out how the fight starts on the Nanking Massacre discussion page). But Dpbsmith's pics are nice! Esprungo 02:45, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Ehh, I'm sure Morgan chuckled, no undergrads were harmed in the making of the email. -eitan
 * bhargav said morgan likes us undergrads more than the grad students :P wanna audit his first geometry class? Esprungo

 * My email, trimmed: Dpbsmith (talk) 14:29, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * An article was recently contributed to Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia, entitled "Algebraic potato." Most of us think the article is patently a joke or hoax. Wikipedia gets these all the time and doesn't regard them as a serious matter. But, as a matter of due diligence I'd appreciate it if you would comment as to whether or not there is any such theory as "algebraic potato."

 * The entire content of the article submitted to Wikipedia is: [text...]

 * In the discussion, an (anonymous) discussant, arguing against deleting the article, wrote: "Article is backed up by two universities Columbia: http://math.columbia.edu/~ums, UW: http://www.math.washington.edu/~arthur ). The second of the two links reads: [Nakapoopoo's lemma, etc....]

 * I have received this reply from John Morgan , the listed contact for the Columbia math department, shown as a professor on their roster. Time-stamped 2005/09/01 Thu AM 08:42:02 CDT:

 * "This is complete nonsense, probably a joke. The second link strings together true mathematical concepts but not in any coherent fashion." --John Morgan

 * Delete Total nonsense and hoax.
 * I can't believe you all think this is a hoax. The eyes (i's) of the potato, when planted on the complex plain, grow monotonically in a nondecreasing arithmetic series into complex carbohydrates, while the saddle-shaped crisps approximate a Riemann Sour Cream Manifold (Dr. Pringle, personal communication) that is both non-Euclidian and tasty. Betcha can't delete just one! --DavidConrad 04:13, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * LOL @ DavidConrad
 * BJAODN. Tonywalton | Talk 13:15, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Nice joke. Delete the page, BJAODN, and possibly candidate authors for a P(otato)h.D. --Raistlin 17:58, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. (And User:DavidConrad needs to learn how to spell Euclidean.) Michael Hardy 01:28, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as hoax. Not worthy of BJAODN, maybe it's funny to mathematicians and math students, but unlikely to general readership. MCB 02:01, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * "here we just want stupid people to read"

 * BJAODN
 * Delete The witty comments above are better reading than the article in question. Alf 10:57, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
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Attorney General of Mexico

The attorney general of the Republic is the head of the Attorney General's Office (Fiscalía General de la República, FGR; prior to 2019, Procuraduría General de la República, PGR) and the Federal Public Ministry of the United Mexican States, an institution belonging to the Federal Government's constitutional autonomous organism that is responsible for the investigation and prosecution of federal crimes. The office is governed mainly by article 102 of the 1917 Constitution and the Organic Law of the Attorney General's Office (Ley Orgánica de la Fiscalía General de la República).

Organization
The Attorney General's Office is organized into several subordinate entities, including eight Specialized Prosecutor Offices (Competition Control, Regional Control, Organized Crime, Election-related Crimes, Corruption, Human Rights, Crimes of Violence against Women and Human Trafficking, and Internal Affairs), Criminal Investigation Agency (Federal Ministerial Police, General Coordination of Expert Services (CGSP) and the National Center for Planning, Analysis and Information for Combating Crime (CENAPI)), Specialized Body for Alternative Dispute Resolution Mechanisms, Administrative office and Internal control organ.

21st century

 * Alejandro Gertz Manero (1 December 2018 – present)
 * Alberto Elías Beltrán (16 October 2017 – 30 November 2018)
 * Raúl Cervantes Andrade (26 October 2016 – 16 October 2017)
 * Arely Gómez González (27 February 2015 – 26 October 2016)
 * Jesús Murillo Karam (4 December 2012 – 27 February 2015)
 * Marisela Morales (1 April 2011 – 4 December 2012)
 * Arturo Chávez (24 September 2009 – 31 March 2011)
 * Eduardo Medina Mora (1 December 2006 – 7 September 2009)
 * Daniel Cabeza de Vaca (28 April 2005 – 30 November 2006)
 * Rafael Macedo de la Concha (1 December 2000 – 27 April 2005)

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User talk:Gethzerion101

What's up? You should go say hi to λ. Womble 21:34, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

hey dude
λ is a friend... Womble 21:44, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

 * For court cases try: McCulloch v. Maryland, Marbury v. Madison, etc... Those should serve as good templates for ya! Womble 21:57, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah, so for the case you were talking about, I'd make an article at The Wilderness Society v. US Fish and Wildlife Service, (or maybe Wilderness Society v. US Fish and Wildlife Service). Womble 02:26, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

sorghum edit
Thanks for contributing a large edit to sorghum. I was wondering if you might be able to edit it so it isn't so US centered. Crop growing dates do not correspond around the world and people who read the article in Australia will get wrong info. I'll do some editing but since you wrote it, you are probably the best one to work on this. Also, the planting info needs to be quilified by what kind of sorghum. I would imagine cane, grain, and sweet sorghum do not have the same requirements. Thanks. --Liblamb 17:47, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Plant Lists
Hopefully your eyes won't fall out from staring at mosquito eggs, but if they do, then take a break and look at: Basically, go through and make sure that the blue links correspond to plant articles, then remove the blue links. Then add new articles for all of the red links... ;-) There's a link to the full-text of the source book at the top of each of the lists, so you can get some basic info from there.  The books are all PD sources, so don't worry about copying entire paragraphs, etc... Some info might be out of date, so if you can find confirmation from a second source...
 * User:Womble/FlowersAA
 * User:Womble/FlowersWK
 * User:Womble/Manual of Gardening

Oh, and check the gutenberg pages to see if there's an HTML version (there often is). That might be easier to read, and could include images that you could include (they're PD) in the Wikipedia article. --Womble 15:03, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Namesake
I noticed your name: perhaps you would like to know there is now a Gethzerion article? --Maru (talk) Contribs 02:18, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

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Tons of Sobs

Tons of Sobs is the debut studio album by the English rock band Free, released in the UK on 14 March 1969. While the album failed to chart in the UK, it reached number 197 in the US. Free are cited as one of the definitive bands of the British blues boom of the late 1960s, even though this is the only album of their canon that can strictly be called blues rock. It had the band's first minor hit "I'm a Mover", which was released as a single in December 1968.

Recording
Free were a new band when they recorded Tons of Sobs, and they were young; all were teenagers and the youngest, Andy Fraser, was 16. They had achieved a following through constant touring, and their debut album consisted mostly of their live set list. With the band signed to Chris Blackwell's Island Records, Guy Stevens was hired to produce the album. He took a minimalist attitude to production due to the extremely low budget of about £800, and created a raw, raucous sound – although the relative inexperience of the band possibly contributed to this. The album is in marked contrast to the band's later albums in terms of production. The simple nature of the recording meant that many tracks translated well to a live setting and several songs from this album were still performed even when the band had written and recorded many more for subsequent LP's.

The majority of the album was recorded over a few days in October 1968. Originally slated for a November release, the album was delayed until early 1969 due to the late addition of the cover of "The Hunter". The song was a mainstay of their live sets and was recorded at a December 1968 session at Stevens' insistence.

Track listing

 * Side one
 * 1) "Over the Green Hills (Pt. 1)" (Paul Rodgers) – 0:49
 * 2) "Worry" (Rodgers) – 3:26
 * 3) "Walk in My Shadow" (Andy Fraser, Simon Kirke, Paul Kossoff, Rodgers) – 3:29
 * 4) "Wild Indian Woman" (Fraser, Rodgers) – 3:39
 * 5) "Goin' Down Slow" (James Burke Oden) – 8:20

 * Side two
 * 1) "I'm a Mover" (Rodgers, Fraser) – 2:56
 * 2) "The Hunter" (Booker T. Jones, Carl Wells, Donald Dunn, Al Jackson Jr., Steve Cropper) – 4:13
 * 3) "Moonshine" (Fraser, Kirke, Kossoff, Rodgers) – 5:04
 * 4) "Sweet Tooth" (Rodgers) – 4:54
 * 5) "Over the Green Hills (Pt. 2)" (Rodgers) – 1:58

Recent CD reissues contain several bonus tracks:
 * Bonus tracks
 * 1) "I'm a Mover" (BBC session) (Rodgers, Fraser) – 3:04
 * 2) "Waitin' on You" (BBC session) (B.B. King, Ferdinand Washington) – 2:15
 * 3) "Guy Stevens Blues" (Rodgers, Fraser, Kirke, Kossoff) – 4:39
 * 4) "Moonshine" (Alternative vocal) (Fraser, Kirke, Kossoff, Rodgers) – 5:09
 * 5) "Sweet Tooth" (Early take and alternative vocal) (Rodgers) – 4:53
 * 6) "Visions of Hell" (Fraser, Rodgers) – 3:46
 * 7) "Woman by the Sea" (Fraser, Rodgers) – 3:30
 * 8) "Over the Green Hills" (BBC session) (Rodgers) – 3:51

Personnel

 * Paul Rodgers – vocals
 * Paul Kossoff – guitar
 * Andy Fraser – bass guitar
 * Simon Kirke – drums

 * Additional personnel
 * Guy Stevens – producer
 * Andy Johns – engineer
 * Mike Sida – front cover photograph
 * Richard Bennett Zeff – inside cover photography

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George Oakes (journalist)

George Washington Ochs Oakes (October 27, 1861 – October 26, 1931) was an American journalist. Born George Washington Ochs, he legally added the surname "Oakes" in 1915 out of outrage at the sinking of the Lusitania by a German U-boat.

Journalism career
Ochs was born to German-Jewish immigrants, Julius and Bertha Levy Ochs, in Cincinnati, Ohio. Brother of fellow journalist Adolph Ochs, George Oakes was educated at the University of Tennessee, where he graduated in 1879. Oakes began his career in journalism as a reporter for the Chattanooga Daily Times, of which he became general manager in 1896.

In 1900, when The New York Times decided to issue a daily edition at the Paris Exposition, Oakes was placed in charge of the enterprise; and his work met with such favor that he was decorated by the President of the French Republic with the cross of the Legion of Honor. In 1901, when The Philadelphia Times was acquired by his brother, Oakes became vice-president and general manager of the new company, and conducted the paper until its amalgamation with the Public Ledger, when he became general manager of the consolidated publications. Oakes remained publisher until the paper was sold in 1913 to Cyrus H. K. Curtis.

On the outbreak of World War I, Oakes attempted to enlist in the army, but was refused admittance due to his age. He persisted, and signed up as a private in the 9th Coast Artillery, New York National Guard, and served from 1917 until the Armistice in 1918. At this time he became the managing editor of a new New York Times-owned magazine, Current History. He also edited the Times' Mid-Week Pictorial and served on the Times Board of Directors.

Political career
Oakes was a prominent figure in Tennessee politics. He attended the 1892 Democratic National Convention held in Chicago as an elected delegate, seconding on behalf of his state the nomination of Grover Cleveland; and in 1896 he was appointed delegate-at-large from Tennessee to the Palmer-Buckner Gold Democratic Convention held at Indianapolis in that year. In 1894 Oakes was elected mayor of Chattanooga, Tennessee, was reelected in 1896, and received a unanimous renomination in 1898, but declined it. He was elected vice-president and member of the executive board of the National Municipal League. For six years he held the presidency of the Chattanooga Library Association; for two years that of the Southern Associated Press; for three years that of the Chattanooga Board of Education; and for one year that of the Chattanooga Chamber of Commerce.

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Mystkowski

The Mystkowski family is one of several noble families using the Puchała coat-of-arms during the time of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. First mention of the Mystkowski family comes from the Kodeks Dyplomatyczny Ksiestwa MAzowieckiego or 'The Diplomatic Code of the Duchy of Mazovia'. In this book, mention is made of a Comes Thomas (the Latin word Comes can be roughly translated as Count), the castellan of Nosylk, being granted the town of Myzlicow. Nosylk is the modern-day city of Nasielsk. Myzlicow is the modern town of Mystkowo, which is considered to be the ancestral land of the Mystkowski family.

Family members of note

 * Kazimierz Wiesław Mystkowski (born 13 September 1958), a computer engineer, formerly married to Princess Maria of Romania, youngest daughter of former King Michael I of Romania and Princess Anne of Bourbon-Parma.
 * Ignacy Mystkowski (born 4 February 1826 – died 13 May 1863), Polish nobleman and lieutenant-colonel, involved with the Polish National Government and who was a commander of the revolutionary forces during the January Uprising. Mystkowski won a major victory at the Battle of Stok. He was later killed in action during the Battle of Kietlanka and was buried with full military honors.
 * Tomasz Mystkowski, progenitor of the Mystkowski family, comes (count) and castellan of Nasielsk in the service of Prince Bolesław II, Duke of Masovia.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Savvy Content Manager

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Nufy8 22:42, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Savvy Content Manager
Delete. advertising --IByte 21:35, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - advert - Tεx  τ  urε  21:53, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * speedy delete policy violation DV8 2XL 22:37, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * WP:CSD does not include advertising. -Splash 23:27, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Advert. Splash is correct, there is no CSD covering ads. Maybe there should be, but that is another debate for another page. DES (talk) 23:46, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

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Sunday Supplement

Sunday Supplement (formerly Jimmy Hill's Sunday Supplement) is a Sunday morning television programme in the United Kingdom about football which was broadcast between 1999 and 2020. The programme aired on Sunday mornings on Sky Sports Premier League and Sky Sports Football, during the football season. The length of the show is 90 minutes, including commercials, although it was occasionally cut down to 60 minutes.

History
Launched under the stewardship of Jimmy Hill, three guest football journalists sit around a table over breakfast/brunch and discuss the latest football matches, news and gossip, including a look at the football stories in the Sunday newspapers.

The proposal was that it was set in Hill's actual kitchen, with fans trying to guess where his home was from the window view. But the truth came to light on several occasions in 2006 when Hill was late claiming to be stuck in traffic.

The programme was the successor to the Friday night discussion show Hold the Back Page.

Revamp
In 2007, Sky Sports decided not to renew Hill's 12-month contract, which coincided with the removal of his name from the title.

The presenter role was given to either Bill Bradshaw and Brian Woolnough. The format and setting remained consistent set over a breakfast/brunch table, but guest football journalists increased from two to three. Woolnough later took on the permanent presenter role, with regular guests including Patrick Barclay, Oliver Holt, Martin Samuel, Paul Smith and Henry Winter. After Woolnough's death in September 2012, Neil Ashton went on to host the programme after having initially stood in during his predecessor's illness. On 12 January 2020, Ashton presented the show for the final time. Jacqui Oatley was announced as the new presenter of the show on 14 January 2020.

Beginning in 2009, a podcast of the show was made available on the Sky Sports website and iTunes.

In August 2020, Sky announced the show had been cancelled for the 2020/21 season, blaming the congested fixture schedule. A podcast continues, hosted by Vicky Gomersall and Darren Lewis.

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Area 19

Area 19 can refer to:

 * Brodmann area 19
 * Area 19 (Nevada National Security Site)

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Talk:Multipath propagation

Multipath fading could be included as a subset of this article.

Please add here direct links to articles on: 1) Rayleigh fading distribution statistics (equation + diagram); 2) Rice; 3) Ricean fading distribution statistics (equation + diagram) Thanks, RS

Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs changing, please feel free to make whatever changes you feel are needed. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit any article by simply following the  link. You don't even need to log in! (Although there are some reasons why you might like to...) The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use out the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome.-Splash talk 03:31, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * And all this time I thought Rician fading referred to a certain actress's career... Angr/ talk 15:01, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Would underwater acoustic multipathing fit into this subject heading or is it only atmospheric signal? Subsea (talk) 07:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm not in acq with underwater transmission, but I think that this applies whenever there is a wave moving in a medium, and it is conceived as a ray. --Cantalamessa (talk) 12:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Multipath in wired media
Although many people think that Multipath propagation only happens in wireless, it's also a very common problem in wired media like power lines (specially when operating at MHz frequencies). I added a section about that, but the rest of the article (which I didn't want to change) still gives the impression that this only applies to wireless communications. Waveletrules (talk) 09:27, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Info Needed
How common multipath is, how common horizontal vs vertical multipath is, and whether multipath is taken into account normally when calculating pathloss. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.76.200 (talk) 17:12, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge?
The multipath interference article seems to cover the same subject area as this page (multipath propagation), but is much less complete - and therefore I'm proposing a merger of multipath interference into multipath propagation. What do you reckon? --catslash (talk) 00:03, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. Jim.henderson (talk) 21:09, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I do not believe that it should be merge. Interference and propogation are different terms.--Mohitkr05 (talk) 17:56, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:A Man in Full

Critics
Who needs critics. I enjoyed it. --ssd 23:18, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Allusions to real persons
Can anyone provide references for the info that character Wes Jordon alludes to Maynard Jackson and character Charlie Croker alludes to John Portman? If not, this information should be removed as speculative original research. -- Satori Son 16:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I see the mayor reference has been changed to Bill Campbell, but we still need to provide a reference for this. Since Campbell is still alive, we now have possible BLP issues. -- Satori Son 16:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Since this has been unsourced for over a year, I have removed (and should have done so long ago). — Satori Son 16:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

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Plot
Should we include a plot? (Captain hoek (talk) 21:50, 8 September 2008 (UTC))

Turpmtine plantation
it is real??? Pelirojopajaro (talk) 02:02, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It was not a real place when the book was published, but since then someone has obviously named their farm after it (as you found, they received a small federal grant for water conservation efforts in 2007).
 * The fictional Turpmtine Plantation was likely based on several very large quail hunting plantations in south Georgia such as the Double A and Black Creek, but I don't have a source for that. — Satori Son 14:18, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

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Why is "Black" capitalized but "white" isn't?
Since when is Wikipedia ok with blatant racism? 87.9.44.18 (talk) 22:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Stan Keyes

Reversion
Keyes was defeated by Christopherson in the Canadian federal election, 2004. See one of the branches from that article. And "consul-general" would only be capitalized if used as a personal title, i.e., "Consul-General Stan Keyes". As a job title, it's like "plumber" or "lawyer". It isn't capitalized. Ground Zero | t 21:40, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

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Lendrum McMeans

Lendrum McMeans (July 30, 1859 – September 13, 1941) was a politician in Manitoba, Canada. He served in the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba from 1910 to 1914, and was later appointed to the Senate of Canada. McMeans was a member of the Conservative Party.

McMeans was born in Brantford, Canada West (now Ontario), the son of Andrew McMeans, and was educated in Brantford and Toronto. He received a law degree and was called to the Ontario bar in 1881. He came to Manitoba in 1882 and was called to the Manitoba bar the following year. In 1884, he married Mary Beatrice Harris. McMeans was also the president of First National Reality Co., Ltd, and was a commissioner for the revision of the Manitoba statutes in 1902. In religion, he was a member of the Church of England. McMeans served on the city council for Winnipeg and was also a police commissioner and a License Commissioner for Manitoba.

McMeans was elected to the Manitoba legislature in the 1910 provincial election as a member of the provincial Conservative Party, defeating former Liberal Party leader Edward Brown by 49 votes in the constituency of Winnipeg South. The Conservatives won this election, and McMeans served as a backbench supporter of Rodmond Roblin's administration for the next four years.

He was defeated in the 1914 election, losing to Liberal candidate Albert B. Hudson by 98 votes in Winnipeg South "A". He attempted to return to the legislature in the 1915 election, but was resoundingly defeated by Liberal incumbent William Parrish in Winnipeg South "B".

McMeans was appointed to the Senate of Canada by prime minister Robert Borden on July 26, 1917. He served until his death. He introduced at least two bills dealing with the rights of the accused.

He died in Winnipeg in 1941 from complications resulting from a fall. He is commemorated with McMeans Avenue in his honour.

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Nerl (Klyazma)

The Nerl (Нерль) is a river in the Yaroslavl, Ivanovo, and Vladimir Oblasts in Russia, a left tributary of the Klyazma (Volga's basin). The river is 284 km long, and its drainage basin covers 6,780 km2. The Nerl River freezes up in November or December and stays under the ice until April. Its main tributary is the Ukhtoma.

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Assemblies (Jehova Shammah)

Assemblies (Jehova Shammah) is a Christian denomination of India. It has more than 2,000 branches. It is present in Andhra Pradesh. Jehova Shammah was founded by Bhakta Singh in 1942.

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Fluid theory of electricity

Fluid theories of electricity are outdated theories that postulated one or more electrical fluids which were thought to be responsible for many electrical phenomena in the history of electromagnetism. The "two-fluid" theory of electricity, created by Charles François de Cisternay du Fay, postulated that electricity was the interaction between two electrical 'fluids.' An alternate simpler theory was proposed by Benjamin Franklin, called the unitary, or one-fluid, theory of electricity. This theory claimed that electricity was really one fluid, which could be present in excess, or absent from a body, thus explaining its electrical charge. Franklin's theory explained how charges could be dispelled (such as those in Leyden jars) and how they could be passed through a chain of people. The fluid theories of electricity eventually became updated to include the effects of magnetism, and electrons (upon their discovery).

Fluid theories
In the 1700s many physical phenomena were thought of in terms of an aether, which was a fluid that could permeate matter. This idea had been used for centuries, and was the basis of thinking about physical phenomena, such as electricity, as liquids. Other 18th century examples of imponderable fluid models are Lavoisier's caloric and the magnetic fluids of Coulomb and Aepinus.

Two-fluid theory
By the 18th century, one of a few theories explaining observed electrical phenomena was the two-fluid theory. This theory is generally attributed to Charles François de Cisternay du Fay. du Fay's theory suggested that electricity was composed of two liquids, which could flow through solid bodies. One liquid carried a positive charge, and the other a negative charge. When these two liquids came into contact with one another, they would produce a neutral charge. This theory dealt mainly with explaining electrical attraction and repulsion, rather than how an object could be charged or discharged.

du Fay observed this while repeating an experiment created by Otto von Guericke, wherein a thin material, such as a feather or leaf, would repel a charged object after making contact with it. du Fay observed that the “leaf-gold is first attracted by the tube; and acquires an electricity be approaching it; and of consequence is immediately repell’d by it.” This seemed to confirm for du Fay that the leaf was being pushed as a ‘current’ of electricity flowed around and through it.

Through further testing, du Fay determined that an object could hold one of two types of electricity, either vitreous or resinous electricity. He found that an object with vitreous electricity would repel another vitreous object, but would be attracted to an object with resinous electricity

Another supporter of the two-fluid theory was Christian Gottlieb Kratzenstein. He speculated also the electric charges were carried by vortices in these two fluids.

One-fluid theory
In 1746 William Watson proposed a one-fluid theory.

On 11 July 1747 Benjamin Franklin composed a letter in which he outlined his new theory. This is the first record of his theory. Franklin developed this theory mainly concentrating on the charging and discharging of bodies, as opposed to du Fay, who concentrated mainly on electrical attraction and repulsion.

Franklin's theory stated that electricity should be thought of as the movement of a single liquid, as opposed to the interaction between two liquids. A body would show signs of electricity when it held either too much, or too little of this liquid. A neutral object was therefore thought to contain a “normal” amount of this fluid. Franklin also outlined two possible states of electrification, positive and negative. He argued that a positively charged object would contain too much fluid, while a negatively charged object would contain too little fluid. Franklin was able to apply this thinking by explaining unexplained phenomena of the time, such as the Leyden jar, a basic charge storing device similar to a capacitor. He argued that the wire and inner surface became positively charged, while the outer surface became negatively charged. This caused an imbalance in fluid, and a person touching both portions of the jar allowed the fluid to flow normally.

Despite being a simpler theory, it was heavily debated whether electricity was made up of one fluid or two for a century.

Significance of the one-fluid theory
The one-fluid theory shows a significant shift in how the scientific community thought about electricity. Prior to Franklin's theory, there were many competing theories on how electricity functioned. Franklin's theory soon became the most widely accepted at the time. Franklin's theory is also notable, because it is the first theory that viewed electricity as the accumulation of 'charge' from elsewhere, rather than an excitation of the matter already present in an object.

Franklin's theory also provides the basis for conventional current, the thinking of electricity as being the movement of positive charges. Franklin arbitrarily thought of his electrical fluid as being of a positive charge, and therefore all thought was done in the frame of mind of a positive flow. This permeated the mindset of the scientific community to the point that electricity is still being thought of as the flow of positive charges, despite proof that electricity moving through metals (the most common conductor) is done by the electron, or negative particle.

Franklin was also the first person to suggest that lightning was in fact electricity. Franklin suggested that lightning was just a larger version of the small sparks that appeared between two charged objects. He therefore predicted that lightning could be shaped and directed by using a pointed conductor. This was the basis for his famous kite experiment.

Shortcomings of the theory
Although the one-fluid theory marked a significant advance in discussions of electricity, it did have some deficiencies. Franklin created the theory to explain discharges, an aspect which had been mostly ignored previously. While it explained this well, it was not able to fully explain electrical attraction and repulsion. It made sense that two objects with too much fluid would push away from each other, and why two objects with largely different amounts of fluid would pull towards each other. However, it didn't make sense that two objects with no fluid would repel each other. Too little fluid should not cause a repulsion.

Another difficulty with this model of electricity is that it ignores the interactions between electricity and magnetism. Although this relationship was not well-studied at the time, it was known that there was some connection between the two phenomena. Franklin's model makes no reference to these forces, and makes no attempt to explain them.

Although fluid theory was the predominant viewpoint for a time, it was eventually replaced by more modern theories, specifically one which used observations about attractions between current-carrying wires to describe the magnetic effects between them.

Connections to magnetism
Neither du Fay nor Franklin described the effects of magnetism in their theories, with both concerning themselves only with electrical effects. However, theories on magnetism followed a very similar pattern as those on electricity. Charles Coulomb described magnets as containing two magnetic fluids, aural and boreal, which could combine to describe magnetic attraction and repulsion. The related one-fluid theory for magnetism was proposed by Franz Aepinus, who described magnets as containing too much or too little magnetic fluid.

These theories of electricity and magnetism were thought of as two separate phenomena, until Hans Christian Ørsted noticed that a compass needle would deflect from magnetic north when placed near an electric current. This caused him to develop theories that electricity and magnetism were interrelated and could affect one another. Ørsted's work was the basis for a theory by French physicist André-Marie Ampère, which unified the relation between magnetism and electricity.

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IRC servers banning IP addresses behind open proxies
Many IRC servers are now banning users that have IP addresses blacklisted as being behind open proxies. Suggestions on how to avoid this would be of interest and useful. Nbettencourt 21:41, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Hm? What do you mean? That's not relavent to this article, and Wikipedia's not a how-to, it's an encyclopedia. (And besides, it just sounds like you want someone to tell you how to do it.) Dmcdevit·t 21:47, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, nevermind then. Nbettencourt 22:24, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Self-reference
Agree with moving the self reference out of the article proper; I'll put a "meta" reference at the top (with shorter text) in italics. That seems to be the usual style for administrative stuff, and is probably how it should have been handled in the first place. --EngineerScotty 06:51, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I still don't see the point of that. That's Wikipedia namespace type stuff. A reader doesn't go to our article looking for that, and no encyclopedia puts meta notices about the inner workings of their publication at the top of articles with related topics. What does it accomplish? Dmcdevit·t 07:16, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

References (footnotes) mysteriously doubled
Turned out to be a known problem with the Wikipedia software. The short-term fix if this happens again is to purge the page. Eeera 05:59, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Is "baud" correct?
Is "baud" correct? Isn't that a signaling rate? I assume the author is trying to get accross a throughput, but even then, shouldn't it just say "slow"? Jayhollinger 16:54, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Missing: Directions of how to use open proxy
Please add this piece of information, to elevate the level of the article off just lamer common knowledge. Teemu Ruskeepää (talk) 13:18, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Legal warnings
The article contains some citation-needed legal warnings about running an open proxy. Yet what an open proxy does is the same thing as every router your communications go through on the Internet. It just passes along transmissions. So I find myself doubtful. No doubt some big-brother types demand that every communication is traced and tapped and archived for future prosecution, but are the laws there to back them up? Wnt (talk) 04:40, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Different types of proxy servers
Please elaborate on different types of proxy servers and their clear distinction among them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.72.154.234 (talk) 05:38, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

detecting open proxies
It's very difficult to detect modern open proxies. Does anybody knows anything about the WIMIA Test? It seems to be the only test to check for an open proxy, is that correct? Is anything like that used in the wikipedia to prevent the abuse of open proxies? --87.186.72.15 (talk) 22:04, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

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Doesn't look like it can survive on its own. I'll come back in awhile. Karmafist 21:41, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

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