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President/Rector
Father Paul Brandt is definitely leaving Roman and will no longer be the President.

http://www.cst-phl.com/060420/second.html

And from what I've heard, Father Joseph Bongard will be taking over the position. I haven't been able to find a source for that yet though, so I won't make the change just yet. If anyone finds a source, go ahead and fix this.

--Magic 04:14, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Found a source; now updated. http://archdiocese-phl.org/clerical.htm
 * --Magic 04:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

What's with the listing of "Terry give-me-your-ID Kane under president/rector with no time served... It doesn't seem to fit the chronology... vandalism? Irish Wolfhound (talk) 03:35, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Done
taken care of. 205.238.205.220 09:13, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Yep looks better now. I'm going to pull of the tag but I'll keep rearranging things if alot more info gets put in. --Spout 20:55, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Clean-up
There's a lot of text in this article, but no visible structure, no use of headings etc.. You might want to look at some of the featured articles, such as to get ideas for how you might be able to present the information. --DogsBreakfast 16:09, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Caulfield Grammar School
 * University of Michigan
 * Michigan State University

Photo of the Building
It would be nice to see the photo of the building in the article. It would bring back a lot of memories to us alumni.Wikited (talk) 01:49, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Bp Bransfield
Roman Catholic High School for Boys says Bp Bransfield attended Roman, but his page, Michael Joseph Bransfield, says the bishop attended St. John the Baptist High School. Eagle4000 (talk) 03:59, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

 * Good catch, but I will have to do a little more digging. He may have attended Roman after they closed St. John's.  Jlivewell (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 13:51, 11 March 2010 (UTC).
 * I have confirmed on the Bishops website that he did attend St. Johns and Roman.Jlivewell (talk) 14:08, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Movement of tag
I've [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roman_Catholic_High_School&diff=655887189&oldid=655884719 restored the refimprove tag] to where it was properly placed at the outset. BMK moved it. Without supplying any edit summary. I would ask him to not do that again. --Epeefleche (talk) 21:23, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I've put it back where it will do the most good. Tags such as that are not for the reader, they are post-it notes from editor to editor, and should not get in the way of the reader's use of the article.  Remember, the MoS is not mandatory, it's a guideline and not policy.  You've really got to start to understand that, because you have a history of not quite getting it -- it's a rule, yes, but it's not one which has to be followed all the time. I understand that this can be diffficult for you to grok, but that's the way it is -- you cannot go around edit-warring over MoS. BMK (talk) 22:01, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

 * Template:Refimprove states, under Usage; How to Use:
 * "'Manual of Style/Lead section states that templates like this one should go immediately after the hatnote and before the infobox.'"

 * And WP:LEADORDER states: "the lead section may contain optional elements presented in the following order: disambiguation links (dablinks), maintenance tags, infoboxes ..."

 * Which accords with WP:SECTIONORDER.

 * Similarly, Template messages/Cleanup states: "Unless otherwise noted, the cleanup messages, or tags, should be placed at the top—before other templates, images, or infoboxes, but after hatnotes".

 * This is a function of consensus. A core wp principle.

 * The last time I recall interacting with you, here, we ran into the same general issue ... BMK didn't like the consensus format, and wanted to edit against consensus. And you edit-warred against consensus - as reflected in that discussion. I would have thought that you would have taken something from the input of the other editors in that conversation. That's not how WP works. Epeefleche (talk) 22:20, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Please don't refer to me in the third person, if you want to talk to me, talk to me.You grossly mistate my position. I am not in general opposed to MoS, however I do recognize when it's not as effective as it could be.  Post-it notes from editor to editor shouldn't be displayed where they get in the way of the reader, they should go where the editors who may be interested in them will see them.  In this case, a reflimprove tag should go by the references, not at the top. BMK (talk) 22:24, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Epeefleche is correct; information on templates says they are placed above the lead. BMK, article tags also inform readers of any significant issues with the article (or section) they are about to read, such as containing original research, skewed information, a significant lack of sources, etc. Lapadite (talk) 22:38, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

 * See Wikipedia talk:Maintenance/Archive 1. In the case of it serves two purposes, it is an editor to editor message, but unlike for example  (which is one of the worst maintenance templates I have seen) it also provides some valuable information to readers (that some of the text has not been checked against verifiable sources). So I think the correct place to put this specific template is in the section where BMK has placed it, but I would place it at the top of the section not at the bottom. BTW there is no way there has ever been a consensus to place all maintenance tags at the start of the article, so I am not sure how that crept into Manual of Style/Lead section, as it is not true. One classic example is  which is always placed at the bottom of articles. Another is  the documentation of which says "This template can either be placed at the top of an article, at the bottom of the article page (in an empty 'References' or 'Notes' section—usually just before a  template), or on the article's talk page" (Template:Unreferenced) -- PBS (talk) 23:16, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I think a bit of common sense ought to be applied here, and not personal attacks, citing whether some action is a stipulation of policy or guideline, nor fighting over their applicability or what the wording means. The current location of the refimprove tag is "original", for want of a better word. I've never seen one tucked away at the very bottom of a references section of an article of this length that was so inadequately sourced. It's as if it was put there as an afterthought and for people to ignore. Now if one section of the article was not adequately sourced, there would be no question of putting it at the top of the relevant section; if it was a problem common to two or more sections – as seems to be the case here, with there only being 4 citations in the entire article body – it's pretty obvious that the tag belongs at the top. I'd ignore the "not spoiling the user experience" claim because the reader can also be part of the solution if only (s)he knew there was a problem. With the tag placed at the bottom of the refs section like now, it is marginally better than not having one at all because it is destined to be ignored by most. --  Ohc  ¡digame! 01:39, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * If people do not look at references then what is the use of the template? It is only useful for those readers who look at the references. If it is only there for editors it is better off on the talk page along with all other editor to editor communications about the content of a page. -- PBS (talk) 09:44, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. It is policy for all articles to be adequately sourced. It is a discipline and fundamental requirement regardless of whether one thinks people read the references, so it's of primary importance for any insufficiencies be plainly visible. It is worthless having a tag at the very bottom of the references section. --  Ohc  ¡digame! 05:23, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
 * , please refer to this perennial proposal. Lapadite (talk) 03:16, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * @Lapadite77: and I would refer you to the archives talk pages of WT:Perennial proposals, where you will read there has never been a consensus on this, indeed the only RfC to generate a large response on the issue was Village pump (proposals)/Archive 108 (November 2013) where the overwhelming opinion was that maintenance templates, such as Orphan which have no useful reader content, ought to be on the talk page. -- PBS (talk) 10:45, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * And it's why it's a "perennial proposal"; there's been no consensus to accept a tag move to talk pages. This is about a ref improve tag, not orphan tag. Ref improve tags are not placed on talks pages, but above the leads or at the top of relevant sections. Lapadite (talk) 11:04, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * You miss the point this issue ought not to appear in the list of perennial perennial proposals because as the list says in its first sentence "This is a list of things that are frequently proposed on Wikipedia, and have been rejected by the community several times in the past." as there has never been rejection of the proposal, as there has never been a consensus in favour of placing maintenance tags in article space. As to you second point you are pushing against an open door see what I wrote above at 23:16, 10 April 2015. -- PBS (talk) 13:33, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with your comment on the archive link posted on 23:16, 10 April 2015 (with regard to wikification tags and the like), and I also agree with Qxz there, but that's beside the point here. Epeefleche is not making a proposal, and as we've established, there isn't a consensus, namely to keep them on the talk page (and you claim there also isn't one for the contrary, or hasn't been considerable rejection of the talk page idea, despite WP:PERENNIAL and the MOS indicating otherwise). It is convention to place a ref improve tag in the article, namely above the lead if it applies to the whole, so Epeefleche is correct in placing it there. If you question why it's encouraged in the MOS, you should be inquiring there about it. Presently, per the MOS, it "should go immediately after the hatnote and before the infobox." This is a relatively short article; instead of arguing about tag placement, why don't the two editors start adding the necessary citations so there's no need for the tag? Lapadite (talk) 18:09, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

 * Template:Refimprove goes at the top of the article, like all such dispute/cleanup tags. They are not simply memos between editors, they are notices to readers that the article is still in a state of development and may be questionable. This very fact may underly the faulty rationale for trying to bury the tag. Tsk tsk. There's not even a legitimate debate about this. It's how it's been done for at least a decade. PS:  When only a particular section has referencing problems, use Template:Refimprove section at the top of the section.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  11:27, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, SMcCandlish, the top of the page is standard placement for most editors. And there actually is a legitimate debate about this now. See RfC: Location of Tag. I'll update the permanent link when it officially closes. Czoal (talk) 19:14, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

The RfC has been snow-closed with the decision: "There is a clear (and overwhelming) consensus that this tag should be placed at the top of articles. Snow close." Czoal (talk) 07:02, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

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Turrella, New South Wales

Turrella is a suburb in southern Sydney, in the state of New South Wales, Australia. Turrella is located 10 km south-west of the Sydney central business district on the southern bank of Wolli Creek in the local government area of Bayside Council.

Turrella is a mostly residential area. Some light industrial developments are located around Turrella railway station and north along the railway line. A footbridge from Turrella over Wolli Creek links Henderson Street to the eastern side of Earlwood, formerly known as Undercliffe. The footbridge was closed in 2012 by Canterbury Council after it was deemed to be structurally unsound but was repaired and re-opened in November 2013.

History
In 1842, William Favell and his wife Eleanor were farming a property named Hillside on this site. Their neighbours were the families of Thomas Curtis and Henry Blackwell, who were orchardists and gardeners. The farms and orchards were subdivided when the railway came through. The railway station opened on 21 September 1931. The light industrial buildings were built close to the railway line and one of the biggest factories in the area was the Streets Ice Cream factory, which has since closed.

The post office was originally known as West Arncliffe when it opened on 26 April 1933 but in January 1948 became known as Arncliffe West. It became Turrella in August 1952 but closed on 21 December 1970.

Historical places
Turrella borders a piece of remnant bushland, the Wolli Creek Valley, beside Wolli Creek. There have been active movements fighting for its preservation in the face of demands for land. The most successful of these prevented the building of the M5 South Western Motorway through the valley, resulting in the road being built as a tunnel under the valley known as the M5 East. Nevertheless, community concern remains over plans to extend the M5 at Bexley.

Turrella also has a number of heritage-listed sites, including:
 * 18 Loftus Street: Cairnsfoot
 * Thompson Street: Wolli Creek Aqueduct

Demographics
At the 2021 Census, the population of Turrella was 2,673. The most common ancestries were Lebanese 15.5%, Chinese 13.6%, Australian 13.3%, English 13.2% and Macedonian 5.1%. 45.0% of people were born in Australia. The most common other countries of birth were China 6.4% and Lebanon 5.8%. 36.4% of people only spoke English at home. Other languages spoken at home included Arabic 16.2%, Mandarin 6.3%, Spanish 5.3%, Macedonian 4.4% and Cantonese 3.4%. The most common responses for religion in Turrella were No Religion 28.6%, Islam 21.2% and Catholic 18.0%.

Schools
Arncliffe West Infants School is located in Loftus Street. The former Cairnsfoot Special School premises is located opposite. The original Cairnsfoot building is heritage listed.

Transport
Turrella railway station is on the Airport & South Line of the Sydney Trains network. Turrella is also serviced by Transit Systems bus route 473 which runs from Rockdale station to Campsie station via Bardwell Valley, Arncliffe, Turrella, Bardwell Park station, Earlwood and Clemton Park.

The M5 South Western Motorway runs beneath parts of Turrella, in a 4 km tunnel. The nearest entrances to travel south-west towards Beverly Hills and Liverpool are located at Arncliffe and Bexley North. The nearest entrances to travel north-east towards Botany and the city are located at Arncliffe.

Notable residents

 * Chris Flannery, hitman in the Sydney underworld in the 1980s.

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Talk:Orlando Gibbons

Death
It sounds as if he died from a ruptured Cerebral aneurysm. Has there been a modern diagnosis? Xxanthippe (talk) 03:57, 31 March 2011 (UTC).
 * From John Harper's article in the online New Grove: "The doctors described precisely his coma and final seizure, attributed at the post mortem to a brain haemorrhage." That's certainly close. Antandrus  (talk) 04:07, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * What a loss to the world. We might have had another 10 or 20 years of wonderful music that would have made Glen Gould even more ecstatic. Xxanthippe (talk) 07:09, 31 March 2011 (UTC).

Cheque book?
'Gibbons name appears at this time in a cheque book of the Chapel'

Please explain the use of 'cheque book' in this context.

 * I had assumed that it referred to a cheque book e.g. that the chapel paid him, by means of a cheque, rather than in cash. But looking at the source, Harley (1999) here, it seems to have a more general meaning of "account or ledger of expenses." Martinevans123 (talk) 22:06, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It is certainly the latter—merely a document in which the expenses of the chapel were recorded. The careers of many Renaissance composers (particularly in England) can be tracked through them. Is there a better link that could be used? Or maybe an explanatory footnote? Aza24 (talk) 23:53, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Mention this event?
Orlando Gibbons: Amen. Sciencia58 (talk) 21:48, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Mentioned in podcast. Street pedlar tunes
In the podcast "No Such Thing as a Fish" ( No_Such_Thing_as_a_Fish episode 506) they say they'd read unconfirmed reports that Gibbons had composed tunes for street pedlars to sing to advertise their wares or services. They specifically mention people who cut off corns (on your feet, as in bunions). While plausible, is there any evidence of this? peter_english (talk) 18:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

 * Its not something I came across when writing the bio section, but when I get around to the music section (not sure when that'll be!) I'll keep an eye out in the sources.  Aza24  (talk)   06:48, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: moved per discussion. (non-admin closure)  Bingo bro   (Chat)  15:23, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Samuel Wesley → Samuel Wesley (composer, born 1766) – We have articles on several notable Samuels Wesley and this article does not meet WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. I therefore propose parenthetical disambiguation. To avoid confusion with the other noted composer Samuel Sebastian Wesley I suggest both qualifier and birth date, as per WP:NCPDAB. Cnbrb (talk) 09:03, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Support - seems legitimate, the poet (father of John and Charles) seems pretty much as significant, and page views don't show a huge lead for this one over all others - |Samuel_Wesley_(disambiguation)|Samuel_Wesley_(poet)|Samuel_Wesley_(the_Younger)|Samuel_Sebastian_Wesley|Samuel_Robert_Wesley. — Amakuru (talk) 15:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Support agree, would be helpful. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:02, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination, Amakuru and In ictu oculi. There are five entries listed upon the Samuel Wesley (disambiguation) page, with no indication that the composer born in 1766 holds a historical position of such prominence that it overwhelms the combined renown of the remaining four entries. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 19:56, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Support the 1766 one has 1,091 views but the poet has 891, Samuel Sebastian Wesley has 820, the Younger has 516 and Samuel Robert Wesley has 15[].  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:42, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

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After the move of Samuel Wesley to Samuel Wesley (composer, born 1766), the former page was changed from a REDIRECT pointing to the latter to a REDIRECT to Samuel Wesley (disambiguation). This created many links to that DAB. I suggest to restore the previous REDIRECT target, the composer. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:32, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Indeed, but I don't think that's the solution, ., were you thinking of fixing some of those? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:37, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Those links from articles have been cleaned up. NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 10:17, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
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At the moment, the external link is not working. A thumbnail is still archived at Google Images, so I'm guessing this might be a temporary glitch. If I notice it down in the future I will delete the link. --Brian Z 23:27, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Abandoned
The place looks completely abandoned. See this Google Maps satellite image: sand piling up on the road, no sign of car tracks, most buildings with no roof. ... Anyone know details of what happened? Deuar 18:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The French wikipedia has more details - says it was abandoned in 1989 at the request of Mauritania. Kmusser 01:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3 talk 15:21, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

An Imaginary Fantasy
Advetisment for an online book.A google search for the name and the author has only one hit, and that link is down Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 23:27, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Advertising. Also, that story will never become true as I really don't know any good work with so many volumes filled with that kind of bad ideas that had success and/or the writer could even finished the collection. Imaginarians? Just another story in which the topic is the battle and interaction between the "real" world (it isn't actually real, because it's real only in the story thus, in the imagination!!!) vs. imagination world. --Neigel von Teighen 23:35, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete only a few chapters are finished. Maybe try again when it gets some press and finished or something Ryan Norton T 23:39, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
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Musical Times article
There is an article by Robert Anderson on Stanford, Bax and (George or Jonathan - presumably George?) Lloyd which at least mentions the 6th symphony in volume 130, February 1989, p 94 the Musical Times. Will log into my university staff account and read it (Jstor scanned it in, accessible using library acct) later, see if it contains any information on the symphony, the composer, helpful to any of the three composers' articles. Schissel | Sound the Note! 19:39, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Too much Beati!
I added a sentence to the article (hopefully not disrupting the flow of the Britannica text) about the popularity of Beati Quorum Via in school choirs. My Glee Club is singing it right now, but we seem to be the only choir in the country that remembers the other two motets that go with it. Maybe they're not as good as Beati, but I like them performed as a set. -- The Realms of Gold (talk) 19:14, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I agree that Beati is the most popular of the three motets, though my personal opinion is that it is most popular because it is the easiest! but that is not the point. I disagree strongly, however, in that it is "representative" of the "genre of Stanford, Elgar, Perry, &c." Maybe it represents part of Stanford's style, but I really don't think it represents the music of Elgar and Parry, as their styles are even more wide-ranging and diverse. Stefan (talk) 00:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

That's definitely fair. The sentence could be rewritten to say it's exemplary of the late English Romantic choral style. I gather that, while Elgar et. al. are much more wide-ranging across all genres, as far as sacred motets go, Stanford is pretty standard for the nation and for the time. But the English Romantics aren't my strong point, so anyone is free to revise as they see fit. -- The Realms of Gold (talk) 08:05, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Works list
There are at least three books of short organ preludes missing from the works list, including Op. 101 and 105. -- JTL 23:14, 24 January 2008 (EST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.233.20.97 (talk)
 * There's loads missing from the works list - Stanford was unbelievably prolific! Is it really necessary? Wilus (talk) 13:16, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No reason we can't have a 'major' works list on the main page, with an attempt at a complete one on a seperate page, like many other composers have. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 15:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation
BBC Radio 3 seems to pronounce his second name as "Villers" quite consistently, as though they know something everyone else does not. Is that right? has anyone seen his birth certificate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.30.56.43 (talk) 21:22, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I was told years ago the correct pronunciation is indeed "Villers", but I can't cite a written authority for this. There's no doubt as to the spelling of his name however. Wilus (talk) 12:52, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Many English surnames, and English place names have anomalous pronunciations, which are unknown to outsiders. Villiers is pronounced /Villars/. The BBC have a guide to the correct pronunciation of proper names, that would be the source, though I can testify that members of the Villiers family do pronounce it with two syllables. The words 'medicine' and 'venison' are also bisyllabic in the Received Pronunciation of English. Llawdden (talk) 18:37, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Recording
I don't mean to offend anyone, but the recording of 'The Blue Bird' is a particularly ugly recording. Is it possible to get a better one ? All very subjective, I know ! -Tpacw (talk) 11:06, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You have to find a free one. Unfortunately, that's probably impossible. Goto any WP page with a recording, even very popular ones, and they will be just as bad, or worse. The basic reasoning is that it's better to have something free and bad than nothing at all. Agree or disagree, it's the general direction of WP. Check out the sound list for a large DIR of more free stuff just to see the general quality stuff takes. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 13:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah, right. Apologies - I didn't know how the system worked for sound recordings on wikipedia. Thanks for enlightening me. -Tpacw (talk) 14:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

 * This isn't just a poor recording - it's one countertenor singing all the parts and, while that's impressive, the result is a really bad representative of Stanford's music. If Wikipedia encourages editing for clarity, I think the novelty factor of this recording should be noted up front. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.34.142 (talk) 00:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

 * And it's such a lovely piece... MistyMorn (talk) 17:20, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Denomination
Was this Irishman of catholic or protestant denomination? From Germany: Stephanie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.128.54.174 (talk) 10:03, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. Tim riley (talk) 13:13, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Rereading the question I now suspect it asks which of the two he was. He was protestant. Tim riley (talk) 13:27, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Perhaps that should be part of this excellent article? Stephanie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.128.90.10 (talk) 17:59, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Which flavor of Protestant? Church of Ireland? Also, what year did he go to Cambridge? The article is rather vague about that. Angr (talk) 13:59, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I've added the year he went up to Cambridge. As to his religious affiliation, he was a conventional upper-middle-class churchman and not Roman Catholic. He wrote much religious music for the established church, some of it still in the Anglican repertoire.  Tim riley  talk    19:50, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

List of pupils
There is a list of Stanford's pupils in a paragraph in the article proper, followed by a list of pupils in a note, followed by a link to a list of his pupils. How many lists do we need? Hyacinth (talk) 23:06, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * An editor deleted a large amount of material from the list of big names in the article and added a clunky link in the text, which looked amateurish in the extreme. To placate him/her I put in the link in a less obtrusive note, in which minor names are listed. I wonder why that editor and you, Hyacinth (you are not presumably the same person) suddenly think you know better than the editors who peer reviewed this article and reviewed it at FAC. As to how many lists we need, I agree that three is probably too many. I suggest leaving the big names in the main text, the minor names in the note and deleting the unnecessary link to the third list.  Tim riley  talk    08:16, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

 * This article has been vetted by dozens of experienced editors. Any deletion of well-referenced information needs to have a clear consensus.  Please explain, Hyacinth, why you believe that this discrete and compact footnote is not helpful in the article? It seems to me that it provides a useful list here, and we need not make readers click away to find the information. -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:56, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Despite Hyacinth's concern that three lists are too many I don't think the link to the omnium gatherum list of pupils does any harm, even though that page gets an average of less than one hit a day. Our first concern should be to benefit the reader: the link to the one-a-day page obviously doesn't belong in the main text, but leaving it in the footnote will not mislead many readers into clicking into that obscure article. I suggest, on reflection, that we leave the link in the footnote, rather than removing it altogether.   Tim riley  talk    18:59, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

His National Song Book
Have made a little stubb on his National Song Book but was not sure how to include mention of it here. (Msrasnw (talk) 13:25, 28 January 2016 (UTC))
 * Your new article is an admirable addition, if I may say so. I can see a suitable place to mention the book in the main Stanford article, but before I add it, was the publication date 1905 or 1906? The new article gives both dates.  Tim riley  talk    13:40, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh dear silly me - 1906.... Cox (1992) lists these  (as well as some from 1951) as some of Stanford's publications ...
 * Stanford, C. V. (1884) Song-Book for Schools (being a Graduated Collection of Sixty-four Songs in One, Two and Three Parts Adapted for the Use of Children). London: National Society's Depository.
 * Stanford, C. V. (1906) The National Song Book. London: Boosey.
 * Stanford, C. V. (1908) Studies and Memories. London: Archibald Constable.
 * Stanford, C. V. (1909) Patriotic Songs for Schools: A Collection of Songs… taken almost entirely from ‘Song-Book for Schools’. London: National Society's Depository.
 * Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 14:21, 28 January 2016 (UTC))
 * This is all good stuff. Perhaps I should do a bit more research and add a "Publications by CVS" section. Meanwhile I've added a note about CVS and folk music and the National Song book to the Orchestral part of the Works section.  Tim riley  talk    14:58, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Many thanks and best wishes, (Msrasnw (talk) 15:00, 28 January 2016 (UTC))

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The Blue Bird popularity
The "Works" section, which seems to be based on a somewhat old overview, does little justice to "The Blue Bird". I hear it on various classical music stations all the time, with various recordings, mostly excellent performances (I personally prefer Rutter's, but that's probably because of his association with the annual outdoor performance by Cambridge University's choral society). I'd love to assert this popularity, but I hope someone else can find actual verifiable sources. Also, the song deserves its own page: it has recently been called "perhaps the ideal impressionistic musical realization of a bird in flight and the shimmering effects of light on water, and I'll put that on my to-do list. David Brooks (talk) 15:28, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

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Fish as food

Many species of fish are caught by humans and consumed as food in virtually all regions around the world. Fish has been an important dietary source of protein and other nutrients.

The English language does not have a special culinary name for food prepared from fish like with other animals (as with pig vs. pork), or as in other languages (such as Spanish pez vs. pescado). In culinary and fishery contexts, fish may include so-called shellfish such as molluscs, crustaceans, and echinoderms; more expansively, seafood covers both fish and other marine life used as food.

Since 1961, the average annual increase in global apparent food fish consumption (3.2 percent) has outpaced population growth (1.6 percent) and exceeded consumption of meat from all terrestrial animals, combined (2.8 percent) and individually (bovine, ovine, porcine, etc.), except poultry (4.9 percent). In per capita terms, food fish consumption has grown from 9.0 kg in 1961 to 20.2 kg in 2015, at an average rate of about 1.5 percent per year. The expansion in consumption has been driven not only by increased production, but also by a combination of many other factors, including reduced wastage, better utilization, improved distribution channels and growing consumer demand, linked with population growth, rising disposable incomes and urbanization.

Europe, Japan and the United States of America together accounted for 47 percent of the world's total food fish consumption in 1961, but only about 20 percent in 2015. Of the global total of 149 million tonnes in 2015, Asia consumed more than two-thirds (106 million tonnes at 24.0 kg per capita). Oceania and Africa consumed the lowest share. The shift is the result of structural changes in the sector and in particular the growing role of Asian countries in fish production, as well as a significant gap between the economic growth rates of the world's more mature fish markets and those of many increasingly important emerging markets around the world, particularly in Asia.

Species
Over 32,000 species of fish have been described, making them the most diverse group of vertebrates. In addition, there are many species of shellfish. However, only a small number of species are commonly eaten by humans.

Preparation
Fish can be prepared in a variety of ways. It can be served uncooked (raw food, e.g., sashimi); cured by marinating (e.g., ceviche), pickling (e.g., pickled herring) or smoking (e.g., smoked salmon); or cooked by baking, frying (e.g., fish and chips), grilling, poaching (e.g., court-bouillon) or steaming. Many of the preservation techniques used in different cultures have since become unnecessary but are still performed for their resulting taste and texture when consumed.

The British historian William Radcliffe wrote in Fishing from the Earliest Times: "'The Emperor Domitian (Juvenal, IV.) ordered a special sitting of the Senate to deliberate and advise on a matter of such grave State importance as the best method of cooking a turbot.'"

Nutritional value
Globally, fish and fish products provide an average of only about 34 calories per capita per day. However, more than as an energy source, the dietary contribution of fish is significant in terms of high-quality, easily digested animal proteins and especially in fighting micronutrient deficiencies. A portion of 150g of fish provides about 50 to 60 percent of an adult's daily protein requirement. Fish proteins are essential in the diet of some densely populated countries where the total protein intake is low, and are particularly important in diets in small island developing States (SIDS).

Intermediate Technology Publications wrote in 1992 that "Fish provides a good source of high quality protein and contains many vitamins and minerals. It may be classed as either whitefish, oily fish, or shellfish. Whitefish, such as haddock and seer, contain very little fat (usually less than 1%) whereas oily fish, such as sardines, contain between 10–25%. The latter, as a result of its high fat content, contain a range of fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E and K) and essential fatty acids, all of which are vital for the healthy functioning of the body."

Health benefits
Eating oily fish containing long-chain omega-3 fatty acids may reduce systemic inflammation and lower the risk of cardiovascular disease. Eating about 140 g of oily fish rich in omega-3 fatty acids once per week is a recommended consumption amount. Increasing intake of omega-3 fatty acids may slightly reduce the risk of a fatal heart attack, but likely has little effect on the overall number of deaths from cardiovascular disease.

Health hazards
Fish bone is the most common food-related foreign body to cause airway obstruction. Choking on fish was responsible for about 4,500 reported accidents in the United Kingdom in 1998.

Allergens
A seafood allergy is a food allergy to allergens which can be present in fish. This can result in an overreaction of the immune system and lead to severe physical symptoms from urticaria to angioedema and distributive shock. Allergic reactions can result from ingesting seafood, or by breathing in vapours from preparing or cooking seafood. The most severe allergic reaction is anaphylaxis, a medical emergency requiring immediate attention and is treated urgently with epinephrine.

Biotoxins
Some species of fish, notably the fugu pufferfish used for sushi, can result in serious food poisoning if not prepared properly. These fish always contain toxins as a natural defense against predators; it is not present due to environmental circumstances. Particularly, fugu has a lethal dose of tetrodotoxin in its internal organs and must be prepared by a licensed fugu chef who has passed the national examination in Japan. Ciguatera poisoning can occur from eating larger fish from warm tropical waters, such as sea bass, grouper, barracuda and red snapper. Scombroid poisoning can result from eating large oily fish which have sat around for too long before being refrigerated or frozen. This includes scombroids such as tuna and mackerel, but can also include non-scombroids such as mahi-mahi and amberjack. The poison is often odourless and tasteless.

Many fish eat algae and other organisms that contain biotoxins, which are defensive substances against predators. Biotoxins accumulated in fish/shellfish include brevetoxins, okadaic acid, saxitoxins, ciguatoxin and domoic acid. Except for ciguatoxine, high levels of these toxins are only found in shellfish. Both domoic acid and ciguatoxine can be deadly to humans; the others will only cause diarrhea, dizziness and a (temporary) feeling of claustrophobia.

Shellfish are filter feeders and, therefore, accumulate toxins produced by microscopic algae, such as dinoflagellates and diatoms, and cyanobacteria. There are four syndromes called shellfish poisoning which can result in humans, sea mammals and seabirds from the ingestion of toxic shellfish. These are primarily associated with bivalve molluscs, such as mussels, clams, oysters and scallops. Fish like anchovies can also concentrate toxins such as domoic acid. If suspected, medical attention should be sought.

The toxins responsible for most shellfish and fish poisonings, including ciguatera and scombroid poisoning, are heat-resistant to the point where conventional cooking methods do not eliminate them.

Mercury and other toxic metals
Fish products, especially those from apex and higher-order consumers up the food chain, have been shown to contain varying amounts of heavy or toxic metals due to biomagnification. Toxicity is a function of solubility, and insoluble compounds often exhibit negligible toxicity. Organometallic forms such as dimethyl mercury and tetraethyl lead can be extremely toxic.

According to the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the risk from mercury by eating fish and shellfish is not a health concern for most people. However, certain seafood contains sufficient mercury to harm an unborn baby or young child's developing nervous system. The FDA makes three recommendations for child-bearing women and young children:
 * 1) Do not eat shark, swordfish, king mackerel, or tilefish because they contain high levels of mercury.
 * 2) Eat up to 12 ounces (2 average meals) a week of a variety of fish and shellfish that are lower in mercury. Four of the most commonly eaten fish that are low in mercury are canned light tuna, salmon, pollock, and catfish. Another commonly eaten fish, albacore ("white tuna") has more mercury than canned light tuna. So, when choosing your two meals of fish and shellfish, you may eat up to 6 ounces (one average meal) of albacore tuna per week.
 * 3) Check local advisories about the safety of fish caught by family and friends in your local lakes, rivers, and coastal areas. If no advice is available, eat up to 6 ounces (one average meal) per week of fish you catch from local waters, but do not consume any other fish during that week.

These recommendations are also advised when feeding fish and shellfish to young children, but in smaller portions.

Mislabelling
When the ocean conservation organization Oceana examined over 1,200 seafood samples of seafood sold in the U.S. between 2010 and 2012, they found one-third were mislabelled. The highest rate of mislabelling occurred with snapper at 87 percent, followed by tuna at 57 percent.

Persistent organic pollutants
If fish and shellfish inhabit polluted waters, they can accumulate other toxic chemicals, particularly fat-soluble pollutants containing chlorine or bromine, dioxins or PCBs.

Parasites
Parasites in fish are a common natural occurrence. Though not a health concern in thoroughly cooked fish, parasites are a concern when consumers eat raw or lightly preserved fish such as sashimi, sushi, ceviche and gravlax. The popularity of such raw fish dishes makes it important for consumers to be aware of this risk. Raw fish should be frozen to an internal temperature of -20 C for at least 7 days to kill parasites; home freezers may not be cold enough.

Historically, fish that live all or part of their lives in fresh water were considered unsuitable for sashimi due to the possibility of parasites (see Sashimi article). Parasitic infections from freshwater fish are a serious problem in some parts of the world, particularly Southeast Asia. Fish that spend part of their life cycle in brackish or fresh water, like salmon (an anadromous coastalfish closely related to trout), are a particular problem. A study in Seattle, Washington showed that 100% of wild salmon had roundworm larvae capable of infecting people. In the same study farm-raised salmon did not have any roundworm larvae.

Parasite infection from raw fish is rare in the developed world (fewer than 40 cases per year in the United States), and involves mainly three kinds of parasites: Clonorchis sinensis (a trematode/fluke), Anisakis (a nematode/roundworm) and Diphyllobothrium (a cestode/tapeworm). Infection risk of Anisakis is particularly high in fish which may have lived in a river or estuary, such as salmon (sa ke in Japanese cuisine) or mackerel (sa ba in Japanese cuisine). Such parasite infections can generally be avoided by boiling, grilling, preserving in salt or vinegar, or deep-freezing. In Japan, it is common to eat raw salmon and ikura (roe), but these foods are frozen overnight prior to eating to prevent infections from parasites, particularly Anisakis.

Pescetarianism

The neologism "pescetarian" covers those who eat fish and other seafood, but not mammals and birds.

A 1999 metastudy combined data from five studies from western countries. The metastudy reported mortality ratios, where lower numbers indicated fewer deaths, for pescetarians to be 0.82, vegetarians to be 0.84, and occasional meat eaters to be 0.84. Regular meat eaters and vegans shared the highest mortality ratio of 1.00. However, the "lower mortality was due largely to the relatively low prevalence of smoking in these [vegetarian] cohorts".

Since fish is animal flesh, the Vegetarian Society has stated that vegetarian diets cannot contain fish.

In religion
Religious rites and rituals regarding food also tend to classify the birds of the air and the fish of the sea separately from land-bound mammals. Sea-bound mammals are often treated as fish under religious laws – as in Jewish dietary law, which forbids the eating of cetacean meat, such as whale, dolphin or porpoise, because they are not "fish with fins and scales"; nor, as mammals, do they chew their cud and have cloven hooves, as required by. Jewish (kosher) practice treats fish differently from other animal foods. The distinction between fish and "meat" is codified by the Jewish dietary law of kashrut, regarding the mixing of milk and meat, which does not forbid the mixing of milk and fish. Modern Jewish legal practice (halakha) on kashrut classifies the flesh of both mammals and birds as "meat"; fish are considered to be parve, neither meat nor a dairy food. (The preceding portion refers only to the halakha of Ashkenazi Jews; Sephardic Jews do not mix fish with dairy.)

Ichthys has become a symbol of Christianity since ancient times. In the New Testament Luke 24 – Jesus's eating of a fish [] and Jesus telling his disciples where to catch fish, before cooking it for them to eat. Seasonal religious prohibitions against eating meat do not usually include fish. For example, non-fish meat was forbidden during Lent and on all Fridays of the year in pre-Vatican II Roman Catholicism, but fish was permitted (as were eggs). (See Fasting in Catholicism.) In Eastern Orthodoxy, fish is permitted on some fast days when other meat is forbidden, but stricter fast days also prohibit fish with spines, while permitting invertebrate seafood such as shrimp and oysters, considering them "fish without blood".

Some Buddhists and Hindus (Brahmins of West Bengal, Odisha and Saraswat Brahmins of the Konkan) abjure meat that is not fish. Muslim (halal) practice also treats fish differently from other animal foods, as it can be eaten without requiring the ritualistic slaughter that is prescribed for other halal animals.

Taboos on eating fish
Among the Somali people, most clans have a taboo against the consumption of fish, and do not intermarry with the few occupational clans that do eat it.

There are taboos on eating fish among many upland pastoralists and agriculturalists (and even some coastal peoples) inhabiting parts of southeastern Egypt, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia, Kenya, and northern Tanzania. This is sometimes referred to as the "Cushitic fish-taboo", as Cushitic speakers are believed to have been responsible for the introduction of fish avoidance to East Africa, though not all Cushitic groups avoid fish. The zone of the fish taboo roughly coincides with the area where Cushitic languages are spoken, and as a general rule, speakers of Nilo-Saharan and Semitic languages do not have this taboo, and indeed many are watermen. The few Bantu and Nilotic groups in East Africa that do practice fish avoidance also reside in areas where Cushites appear to have lived in earlier times. Within East Africa, the fish taboo is found no further than Tanzania. This is attributed to the local presence of the tsetse fly and in areas beyond, which likely acted as a barrier to further southern migrations by wandering pastoralists, the principal fish-avoiders. Zambia and Mozambique's Bantus were therefore spared subjugation by pastoral groups, and they consequently nearly all consume fish.

There is also another center of fish avoidance in Southern Africa, among mainly Bantu speakers. It is not clear whether this disinclination developed independently or whether it was introduced. It is certain, however, that no avoidance of fish occurs among southern Africa's earliest inhabitants, the Khoisan. Nevertheless, since the Bantu of southern Africa also share various cultural traits with the pastoralists further north in East Africa, it is believed that, at an unknown date, the taboo against the consumption of fish was similarly introduced from East Africa by cattle-herding peoples who somehow managed to get their livestock past the aforementioned tsetse fly endemic regions.

Certain species of fish are also forbidden in Judaism such as the freshwater eel (Anguillidae) and all species of catfish. Although they live in water, they appear to have no fins or scales (except under a microscope) (see Leviticus 11:10–13 ). Sunni Muslim laws are more flexible in this and catfish and shark are generally seen as halal as they are special types of fish. Eel is generally considered permissible in the four Sunni madh'hab, but the Ja'fari jurisprudence followed by most Shia Muslims forbids it.

Many tribes of the Southwestern United States, including the Navaho, Apache, and Zuñi, have a taboo against fish and other water-related animals, including waterfowl.

Dishes

 * Bokkoms
 * Bouillabaisse
 * Bourdeto
 * Ceviche
 * Cioppino
 * Crab stick
 * Crappit heid
 * Croquette
 * Curanto
 * Dressed herring
 * Fish and chips
 * Fish ball
 * Fish chowder
 * Fishcake
 * Fishstick
 * Gefilte fish
 * Kamaboko
 * Kipper
 * Lox
 * Machher Jhol
 * Paella
 * Poke (Hawaii)
 * Pompano en Papillote
 * Quenelles Lyonnaises
 * Rakfisk
 * Remoulade
 * Rissole
 * Sashimi
 * Seafood birdsnest
 * Smoked salmon
 * Soused herring
 * Stargazy pie
 * Surimi
 * Surströmming
 * Sushi
 * Tuna fish sandwich
 * Ukha

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Ian McNabb

Robert Ian McNabb (born 3 November 1960) is an English singer-songwriter and musician. Previously the frontman of the Icicle Works, McNabb has since embarked on a solo career and performed with Ringo Starr, Neil Young/Crazy Horse, Mike Scott (of the Waterboys), and Danny Thompson of folk band Pentangle.

McNabb's first book, an autobiography entitled Merseybeast, was published in October 2008.

Early life
Robert Ian McNabb was born in Lourdes Hospital (now Spire Liverpool Hospital) in Mossley Hill, Liverpool, the first and only child of Patricia (née Forsyth) and Robert Gerard McNabb. At 18 months old he contracted pneumonia, leaving him with a damaged left lung.

He had a brief stint as a child model, and a resultant photo was later featured on the album art of Potency: The Best of Ian McNabb.

Following seeing 2001: A Space Odyssey as a child, McNabb has been an avid space-enthusiast. He has also been a supporter of Liverpool F.C. since childhood.

McNabb cites his earliest musical influences as being from watching T. Rex's "Born to Boogie" and That'll Be the Day starring David Essex at the age of 10. After this he began attending guitar and music theory lessons.

McNabb's first musical performance was playing "You're Sixteen" at Fairfield Conservative Club in Liverpool in 1974. In 1975, he auditioned and joined the young cabaret group Daybreak (Later renamed "Young World"). The group played at working men's clubs around the North-West of England during the mid-1970s. The group unsuccessfully auditioned for television talent show Opportunity Knocks. Chris Sharrock later joined the group, where McNabb first became friends with him, he would go on to drum for The Icicle Works. McNabb wrote his first song at age 15, titled "Apologise (I Will)".

McNabb quit Young World near the end of 1976 and joined an all-male teen cabaret group called City Lights. In 1977 the group auditioned for ITV's New Faces but were unsuccessful. McNabb began attending the Mabel Fletcher College of Music and Drama.

He quit City Lights in February 1980, having agreed to start a band with Chris Sharrock.

The Icicle Works
McNabb became the lead vocalist and songwriter for the band, which was founded in 1980. The band's other members were Chris Sharrock on drums and Chris Layhe on bass guitar and backing vocals.

During 1981, McNabb auditioned for the role of Barry Grant in Brookside but was unsuccessful. He also played extras in many television dramas at this time.

The Icicle Works had success in the UK with the top 20 single "Love Is a Wonderful Colour" in 1983. They also hit the top 40 in the United States and Canada with the single "Whisper to a Scream (Birds Fly)" in 1984.

The Icicle Works continued recording through the 1980s with limited success. In the UK, several of the band's follow-up singles charted, although none reached higher than No. 52. In the US, they briefly made the Modern Rock charts in 1988, but achieved no further mainstream recognition and were regarded in the US and Canada as a one-hit wonder.

The original line-up of the Icicle Works broke up in 1988. McNabb put together a new "second generation" Icicle Works line-up in 1989, which released one album in 1990. However, the album was commercially unsuccessful and the band broke up the following year.

In October 2006, after 15 years as a solo artist, McNabb unexpectedly revived the name the Icicle Works for a series of UK concerts. However, this new version of McNabb's old band did not feature any original Icicle Works members other than McNabb himself. In essence, McNabb seemed to be re-branding himself, using a somewhat more successful trade name in order to give his work increased exposure. Throughout 2007 and into early 2008, McNabb played dates as both a solo artist and with The Icicle Works. He then retired the name for a few years, before playing a handful of "30th Anniversary" shows as the Icicle Works in 2011.

1991–1997: This Way Up era
Around the time of the split of the Icicle Works in 1990, McNabb spent some time as a de facto member of the Wild Swans, playing guitar and singing background vocals. The Wild Swans dissolved in late 1990, and McNabb then issued two solo singles in 1991 to little notice. He then resurfaced in 1993 with a collection of demos which would form the basis of his first solo album, Truth and Beauty. Recorded on a shoestring budget in Oldham, Greater Manchester, it won him a record deal with Andrew Lauder's new 'This Way Up' Label.

The album's first single "If Love Was Like Guitars" became a minor UK hit in 1993. Following this, the 1991 single "Great Dreams of Heaven" was re-released. The next single pulled from the album, "I'm Game", failed to chart. "(I Go) My Own Way" was re-recorded with The Stone Roses producer John Leckie, but it too failed to significantly impact on the UK chart. Label boss Andrew Lauder then suggested that McNabb go to record in America, which McNabb was sceptical about. He facetiously suggested to Lauder that his new material sounded like Neil Young and Crazy Horse, and if Lauder could get Crazy Horse to play on the record, he would go to America. A few phone calls later, McNabb found himself in a Los Angeles studio with Crazy Horse drummer Ralph Molina and bassist Billy Talbot. This rhythm section appeared on four of the ten tracks on Head Like a Rock, including the No. 54 UK hit "You Must Be Prepared to Dream". The album's other single, "Go into the Light", did not feature Crazy Horse and peaked at UK No. 66.

Head Like a Rock was subsequently nominated for the 1994 Mercury Music Prize, and although M People would end up taking the award, Head Like A Rock peaked at No. 29 in the UK Albums Chart.

Molina and Talbot toured with McNabb in 1994, featuring on the short live bonus CD which accompanied his next album, Merseybeast (1996). This performance also featured Noel Gallagher of Oasis on uncredited rhythm guitar as the group covered The Seeds' "Pushin' Too Hard". Merseybeast saw McNabb with a new backing band called The Afterlife. The album's first single, "Don't Put Your Spell on Me" reached UK No. 72. The second single, the album's title track "Merseybeast" fared even worse, hitting UK No. 74.

In 1997, This Way Up parted company with McNabb, and released a 'best-of' collection entitled My Own Way: The Words & Music of Ian McNabb.

1998–present: Fairfield Records era
On returning to performing his own material, McNabb focused on acoustic music, leading to a residency at the Birmingham club of Ronnie Scott. The material arising out of this became the low-key album A Party Political Broadcast on Behalf of the Emotional Party, released by McNabb on his own Fairfield label in 1998. Aside from McNabb, the only other musicians on the album were Waterboys Mike Scott and Anthony Thistlethwaite, and bassist Danny Thompson. The album also produced one single, "Little Princess" which failed to chart.

McNabb followed APPBOBOTEP with a live acoustic album, Live at Life (2000), compiled from a pair of Christmas gigs in 1999. The album included one newly written track, "Why Are the Beautiful So Sad", which continued to chronicle McNabb's dislike of celebrity culture as noted earlier in "Don't Patronise Me".

Ian McNabb (2001) marked McNabb's full-band return, and was issued by Sanctuary Records. The album's opening track, "Livin' Proof (Miracles Can Happen)", was written for the Go-Go's reunion which had recently taken place, but was declined by that band. McNabb's version was pressed as a promo single. The album was moderately received critically, with reviewers complaining of a lack of variety in the rock bombast of the record as compared to its two predecessors. 2001 also saw the issue of a demos and outtakes collection, Waifs and Strays, which included previously unreleased material and alternate versions of familiar McNabb chestnuts.

McNabb returned to his own Fairfield label in 2002, and issued the low-key The Gentleman Adventurer. Best described as a semi-acoustic album, it is similar in spirit to his first solo album, Truth and Beauty, with occasional use of the drum machine to accompany more upbeat numbers such as "Ain't No Way to Behave". Almost entirely performed by McNabb (with help from his long-time collaborator and bassist in the latter-day Icicle Works Roy Corkill), the album takes in a variety of styles from rock, through ballads, a touch of funk, and acoustic storytelling.

Another "bits and pieces" collection, Boots followed in 2003, the title being both McNabb's nickname (after his penchant for wearing Beatles-style boots in the mid-1980s while with The Icicle Works), and a reference to the 'official bootleg' nature of the release. The double disc set includes some very hard to find items, demos, and alternative versions.

2004 saw McNabb issuing a second 'Best Of' album, Potency: The Best of Ian McNabb. This covered his whole solo oeuvre, showcasing his eclectic musical taste and output.

In 2005, McNabb successfully pushed a single, "Let The Young Girl Do What She Wants To" to No. 38 on the UK Singles Chart. This was McNabb's highest-ever chart placing as a solo artist, and his biggest hit since The Icicle Works' "Love Is a Wonderful Colour" reached No. 15 in early 1984, a span of over 21 years. This unexpected chart success was assisted considerably by his loyal fanbase buying several different formats of the single in an attempt to gain greater publicity and recognition for his then-current album, Before All of This. But despite support from a number of prominent DJs such as Jeremy Vine and Janice Long on BBC Radio 2, further widespread success continued to elude McNabb.

Later in 2005, McNabb released People Don't Stop Believin, an album of B-sides and outtakes from Before All of This.

In December 2007, McNabb's second live album, How We Live: At the Philharmonic, was issued. The album was culled from two June 2007 shows at Liverpool's Philharmonic Hall.

In January and February 2008, McNabb was involved with "The Number Ones Project", a concert and compilation album celebrating Liverpool's fifty-six No. 1 singles on the UK charts. McNabb played at the January concert, and subsequently appeared on the album, released in February, with his studio cover of John Lennon's "Woman".

In late 2008, McNabb participated in a concert reunion of City Lights. At the end of the year, McNabb released his autobiography, entitled Merseybeast: A Musical Memoir.

McNabb's eighth studio album, Great Things, was first made available at gigs in September 2009. As of November, it was made available for sale on McNabb's website. His ninth album, Little Episodes was available exclusively through his website beginning in February 2012. McNabb's tenth studio album, Eclectic Warrior, was created as a pledge music project, and was released on 18 March 2013. The Liverpudlian band Cold Shoulder played on the record, and toured with McNabb on the subsequent tour.

In June 2014, McNabb joined radio station 'Radio Wirral' and was appointed to host a regular Friday night slot from 10 pm until 12 midnight. This slot, titled 'The Ian McNabb Show', started broadcasting on 20 June 2014 and continued for a few months.

In August 2015, McNabb released the side album Krugerrands, his second release in collaboration with Cold Shoulder. He also revived The Icicle Works moniker and current lineup for a sporadic set of concerts throughout the rest of the year and on into 2016.

In March 2016, McNabb released his first album of covers, titled Respectfully Yours.

Star Smile Strong, his eleventh studio album, was released in April 2017, part 1 of a trilogy.

Our Future in Space, his twelfth studio album, was released in June 2018, part 2 of a trilogy.

McNabb released the double album Utopian (part 3 of a trilogy) in 2021 (with 20 tracks to celebrate his 20th studio album, starting with the five he recorded with the Icicle Works). Originally, the plan was to release the album in 2020 and then tour the country, but the pandemic changed this much to the chagrin of McNabb according to the posts on his blog.

Solo discography
See Ian McNabb discography & List of songs recorded by Ian McNabb

Albums

 * Truth and Beauty (1993)
 * Head Like a Rock (1994)
 * Merseybeast (1996)
 * A Party Political Broadcast on Behalf of the Emotional Party (1998)
 * Ian McNabb (2001)
 * The Gentleman Adventurer (2002)
 * Before All of This (2005)
 * Great Things (2009)
 * Little Episodes (2012)
 * Eclectic Warrior (2013)
 * Star Smile Strong (2017)
 * Our Future in Space (2018)
 * Utopian (2021)
 * Ascending (2021)
 * Nabby Road (2022)
 * New Brighton Rock (2023)

Side albums

 * Waifs and Strays (2001)
 * Boots (2003)
 * People Don't Stop Believin (2005)
 * Krugerrands (2015)
 * Respectfully Yours (2016)

Collaborations with other artists
Around the time the "second generation" Icicle Works were winding down, McNabb became a de facto member of The Wild Swans, playing guitar and singing back-up vocals on their second studio album, 1990's Space Flower.

As well, he worked with Ian Broudie on Broudie's studio project The Lightning Seeds, providing backing vocals on the band's first three albums, released between 1990 and 1994. McNabb also co-wrote a total of two songs with Broudie that wound up on The Lightning Seeds' second and third albums, 1992's Sense and 1994's Jollification.

1998 saw McNabb as part of a touring band for Mike Scott and The Waterboys, playing bass and sometimes keyboards. He also had occasion to serve as a touring bassist for one of his heroes, Ringo Starr, whose son Zak Starkey had had an early music industry break in 1988 when McNabb hired him to be a member of a late-running version of The Icicle Works.

McNabb has also contributed guitar on Amsterdam's album The Journey (2005) and Gary Cooke's debut album Songs for Everyday Use (2006).

Other sources

 * "The Crazy Dreamer", review of Head Like a Rock, from Vox, 1994.
 * Allmusic.com entry for Icicle Works
 * [ AllMusic.com] entry for Ian McNabb.
 * Information posted by Ian McNabb on Yahoo!Groups discussion list
 * Biography on official Ian McNabb website
 * Liner notes to McNabb albums, particularly Waifs and Strays, Boots
 * The Right to Imagination & Madness, by Martin Roach (London: Independent Music Press, 1994) ISBN 1-897783-03-5.
 * Guinness Rockopedia, by David Roberts (London: Guinness World Records Ltd., 1998) ISBN 0-85112-072-5.
 * The Great Rock Discography, by M.C. Strong (Edinburgh: Mojo Books, 2000) ISBN 1-84195-017-3.

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Talk:Odessa Cubbage

I don't know about anybody else, but I got the distinct impression that this supposed colonel is, in fact, a coward. Notice his reluctance to take part in the battle against the Combine Gunship, hiding in the basement on the radio during the whole episode. Also his bombast about not being able to rescue Eli Vance himself seems particulary ironic. Not nearly the tough military leader of a fierce band of rebels. Perhaps this should be mentioned? Just my observation after playing through the Highway 17 chapter recently.
 * I've seen the same theory put forward a few times but to be honest I don't see it myself; in fact if he is an experienced resistance leader as his apparent knowledge as well as liaison with the "G-Man" and other units would tend to suggest, it wouldn't really make sense to put him at the forefront of the action (however often it might seem to happen in Hollywood!) I suspect at least part of the "coward" theory may just be different interpretations of his accent, since I have seen this used as evidence against the character on occasions (another Hollywood reference again, perhaps - "English" accent = baddie/coward?  Just a theory, anyway)

I got the clear impression that Cubbage is a coward even before reading Marc Laidlaw's blog post in which he tells the story of how Odessa came into existence and the transformations he suffered when his intended role didn't pan out. He says "Initially, Odessa was rather a tough guy. When gunships show up to attack his town, he rushes out and takes a few shots, demonstrating to the player exactly how to bring one down; but then he was to die, leaving the player to carry on. However, ultimately, the issue of Odessa dying became a sticky tangle. It proved necessary to have him remain in his basement, giving orders but never straying outside. From that point, it was a fairly small step to decide that Odessa Cubbage was actually a royal coward. He ordered his starry-eyed contingent about but never exposed himself to any actual danger. We gave him a fake English accent to make the player suspicious, and in the final detail work, we put a little dye in his hair. Everything about him reeks of the dubious. In some ways, the legend of Odessa Cubbage is as much fun to create as the legend of Gordon Freeman." Read the whole thing here, from the horse's mouth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pwpig (talk • contribs) 11:46, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

I wouldn't call him, a coward. A coward would join the combine not lead a rebels against them. As many people who are in any armed forces know, a commander is no good to anyone dead. No doubt he has a side-arm and is ready to cap Combine when and if it comes to it.

About Odessa Steps
As I know, it is historical fact. --GolerGkA 20:38, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
 * That it may be, but both the link and the conclusion drawn from it seem rather tenuous.

References to "cowardice"
This claim seems rather speculative at best and isn't NPOV so I've removed the text referencing it from the main page. Shouldn't we keep conjecture about the nature of the character's personality to the "discussion" page until such a time as any verifiable information is presented? (Summary in edit history should, of course, read "non-NPOV") 194.247.53.233 19:26, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Check out this article about how they came up with the character. It does mention that they made him a "royal coward" and gave him a fake English accent. http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/content/sep2006/id20060914_230177.htm?chan=innovation_game+room_features Catzdan 19:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Woot! Laidlaw saw this Wiki article! :P MarphyBlack 20:20, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Cubbage's Daughter
I thought it was a female rebel who claims that Cubbage was her father, not Alyx. Can someone double check this?

It's Alyx. Turn on your subtitles. Alyx's subtitles are always pink so therefore Alyx said that.

U of R Jacket
Regarding:

He wears a jacket with emblems on it indicating that he was, at one point, a security officer as part of the University of Rochester Security Services.

While his jacket is undoubtedly of the type that would be possessed by a security officer, how do we know that a) it's from the University of Rochester Security Services (it looks quite generic to me- perhaps a higher-resolution picture is needed?) and b) that it's actually his? If anything, I think the jacket simply makes his title/rank of "Colonel" more suspect (i.e. if he's an actual Colonel, why would he be wearing a security jacket instead of a uniform or apparel more suited to a soldier?).
 * The emblem on his arm is the same emblem seen on the University of Rochester Security Services site: http://security.rochester.edu/. However, I guess it's a bit assuming to, well, assume that he was actually some sort of security officer there. You're welcome to change or reword it as you see fit. MarphyBlack 03:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Background speculation
''Much of Cubbage's self-proclaimed history is questionable. His slightly askew mustache suggests it isn't real, and many resistance members believe his British accent, along with his supposed military accomplishments, is fake. He is also known to remain in his basement headquarters during any times of danger, preferring to give orders to others and never personally exposing himself to any actual harm.''

This sounds as speculation to me. It is never stated ingame that he is believed to fake his British accent and that he isn't a military. Also, the "fake moustache" story... I suggest we take this out of the article.
 * All this information comes from the HL2: Official Prima Game Guide. It even specifically points out his "slightly askew mustache". If Valve tells us that the resistance believes his British accent and military history is a sham, and that his mustache is fake, then it is Valve's intention. MarphyBlack 22:21, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I suggest that we make a note citing the source of the claim. 67.172.204.135 14:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Gunship
In what part of Episode One is it mentioned that Cubbage took down a gunship, supposedly taking credit for Gordon's work?
 * It's one of the random idle sayings that citizens will occasionally use. Here's the relevant subtitle line looks from the closed caption file:

 * There's also a female citizen version, as with almost all sayings. I don't believe there's any way you can intentionally coax this particular line out of any character, however. MarphyBlack 16:38, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Current picture is dark
The face picture of Colonel Cubbage is good but it was taken while standing in a shadow, giving it a dark and unprofessional look to it. I can't edit very well, just pointing out that someone might want to think a out finding a new one.

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Composer project review
I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. This is a nice article; it might even be A-class. A formal review would require more inline citations. My review is on the comments page; questions and comments should be left here or on my talk page.  Magic ♪piano 16:51, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 08:00, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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Terrey Hills

Terrey Hills is a suburb of Northern Sydney, in the state of New South Wales, Australia 25 kilometres north of the Sydney central business district in the local government area of Northern Beaches Council. It is part of the Forest District and Northern Beaches region.

Terrey Hills is a very leafy suburb and in some areas semi-rural, with many people boarding their horses in the area. Terrey Hills owes its name to the two original land holders Samuel Hills and Obediah James Terrey. Obediah Terrey acquired 640 acre in 1881 and Samuel Hills owned 100 acre nearby.

The area was used by Indigenous people prior to European settlement, and rock carvings exist in some places. One set of carvings is located near Larool Road and depicts hunting scenes with kangaroos, human figures and footprints. Terrey Hills Post Office opened on 17 June 1935.

History
For the older (geological) history, Terrey Hills is noted as the "laterite capital" of the Sydney Basin for those interested in how laterite forms (which has commonly been taken as indicator of climate change, and signalling former hotter and wetter conditions). The laterite of Terrey Hills was used for early road-making and also has been used for rock wall coastal defence at Collaroy Beach. It is the only place in New South Wales where fossils (meagre plant fibres) have been noted in laterite. The main laterite quarry (now the Terrey Hills playing field), and a smaller one at Tumbledown Dick, are on the National Estate (a Commonwealth heritage listing) and also have been nominated to the NSW Government local-significance heritage listing which in this area is administered by the Northern Beaches Council.

A small struggle has been ongoing for years to better protect the laterite exposure at Tumbledown Dick from the announced effects of Mona Vale road widening plans. The laterite was worked during the Great Depression when Australia had one third of the workforce out of work. The Warringah Shire Quarry or 'gravel pit' at Terrey Hills was an important place for the distribution of government relief work funding. Gai Halstead in 1988 wrote a bicentennial compilation which was sponsored by Dick Smith's "Australian Geographical" organisation which was then headquartered at Terrey Hills - "The story of Terry Hills and Duffys Forest".

In this it is noted that married men were given work at the rate of two weeks on and one off, whereas the single men worked at the 'gravel pit' at the rate of one week on and two off. Apart from this work there was little other work available at the time and Ms Halstead recorded the people at Terrey Hills were generally impoverished. For a week's work digging laterite gravel with pick and shovel there was received £1. To be paid that, they had to walk to the 'relief office' at Narrabeen. Besides digging the laterite, the relief workers based at Terrey Hills also built or improved the roads from Terrey Hills to Mona Vale, Cottage Point and Coal and Candle Creek. The area is generally poor in fossils and the only further thing of note is that a member of the local volunteer bush fire brigade found a fossil footprint in stone fallen from the bank of McCarr's Creek near the Duck Hole.

Climate
Owing to its elevation and close proximity to the ocean, as well as its extensive tree canopy cover, the weather station at Terrey Hills records the mildest temperatures of any weather station in the Greater Sydney region. Under Köppen's scheme, the suburb has a borderline humid subtropical (Cfa) and oceanic climate (Cfb) with warm summers and cool winters.

Commercial area
The shopping centre includes a Friendly Grocer supermarket, a Post Office, specialty shops and a number of restaurants and landscaping and plant suppliers.

Northern Beaches Council has its Volunteer Services Centre located in Thompson Drive. Terrey Hills is home to the Rural Fire Service (RFS), State Emergency Service (SES), Marine Rescue NSW were until recently also located here but have recently relocated their radio room to a new facility in Belrose [nearby], the Citizens Radio Emergency Services Team (CREST) & the Wireless Institute Civil Emergency Network (WICEN) under the auspices of the Radio Society (MWRS).

In addition Terrey Hills has its own Rural Fire Station located in the car park adjacent to the Frank Beckman Reserve on Yulong Avenue. The volunteer brigade is the primary fire-fighting agency for the village and is equipped to fight both bush fires and structural / car fires with a Izuzu Category 10 village pumper & an Izuzu Category 1 4x4 bush fire tanker, fire engines and a Toyota Hilux support vehicle.

Terrey Hills is also home to the Manly-Warringah Media Co-Operative and the Radio Northern Beaches radio stations after its relocation from Belrose in 2013.

Terrey Hills is the location of the NSW Government’s Bureau of Meteorology Australia's weather radars for the Sydney Region. The radar is close to the intersection of Mona Vale Road and Forest Way.

Transport
Terrey Hills is well served by buses and is also home to a CDC NSW depot. Bus services operate to the CBD (L70 & 270), Chatswood (283 / 284), Gordon (196), Macquarie Park (197), North Sydney (260), Mona Vale (196 /197), Manly (141) and the special event service to Sydney Olympic Park. The buses to Chatswood and Gordon stop at the railway stations, enabling passengers to access train services.

Mona Vale Road is the main road through Terrey Hills, connecting it to the rest of the Northern Beaches to the east, and suburbs such as Chatswood, Hornsby and North Ryde to the south and west.

Education
Terrey Hills is home to six schools:
 * Northern Beaches Christian School
 * The Sydney Japanese School
 * Terrey Hills Public School
 * Kinma School
 * German International School Sydney

Sport and recreation
There are also sporting facilities including two golf courses, two tennis centres with numerous courts available, and several BMX tracks where competitions and races are held. Rotary International had a branch in Terrey Hills that used to meet regularly at one of the local restaurants. There is also a skatepark located in Terrey Oval which opened in 2018 and was built on a previous half pipe which existed until 2010.

The Manly-Warringah Radio Society (VK2MB), the local northern beaches Amateur Radio club, has its meetings at the Terrey Hills Girl Guides hall every Wednesday evening.

The Terrey Hills Wolves are the local Rugby Union Club. They play in the Sydney Suburban Rugby sixth division Meldrum Cup competition. Their clubhouse is on the club's home ground, Yulong Oval. The local soccer team is The Belrose Terrey Hills Raiders.

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Emmerke
Can someone figure out where to place Emmerke into this article so that the orphan tag can be removed from Emmerke? Kingturtle (talk) 14:00, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If you want to place Emmerke into this article, you will probably have to place two dozen villages of similar (un)importance in order to be consistent. Not sure if that makes sense... Anna (talk) 21:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Dates of Reconstruction
I just corrected some of the dates. It is not quite correct to say "in the late 1970s reconstruction of the historic centre began.". The major churches were rebuilt right after the war (by the way, with great participation by the inhabitants of Hildesheim). The reconstruction of the historic buildings around the market place did not begin until somewhere in the mid-1980s.

Unfortunately, it is also not correct to make the general statement "... reconstruction of the historic centre began. The unattractive concrete buildings were torn down and replaced by replicas of the original buildings." This is true for a few buildings around the marketplace, but not nearly for the whole historic center which extended much beyond the marketplace. There still are a lot of concrete buildings around... Anna (talk) 22:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Distances
It seems funny that in the German version of this article the distance to Hanover is said to be 30 km, and here it's only 25 km. Whatever happened to those 5 km? From driving the distance myself, it seems to me that 30 km would be nearer to the truth. Anna (talk) 22:43, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

History
I find the history paragraph of this article a bit unsatisfactory. I would give a try at translating the corresponding paragraph from the German article myself, but I am afraid that there are too many specialized historic terms that I am not sure of in English. Anyone have an idea how to solve this? I'd be willing to cooperate as much as my time allows. Anna (talk) 06:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * WWII: air raids but no subcamp? are there some informations? a memorial? thx Sebastian scha. (talk) 22:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure I see the connection between air raids and subcamps - ? Anna (talk) 07:42, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I also find this sentence in the History section troubling: "...two months before the end of the war in Europe the famous historic city was chosen to be destroyed in order to shatter the will to defend." This may well be true, but the fact that it has no citations to primary sources doesn't go very far to convince one of a very provocative claim.  Can anyone source this? Bricology (talk) 06:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Main Sights
"Other places of interest include the Theatre, offering opera, operetta and musicals, drama, ballet and concerts, the medieval-appearing half-timbered houses and the old Jewish quarter." Could someone please explain to me what exactly is meant by...
 * "medieval-appearing half-timbered houses": the reconstructed ones around the marketplace? Or the ones in the "Neustadt"? Those are not "medieval-appearing", those are real!
 * "the old Jewish quarter": I am not really sure which quarter is meant by this term. The one where the synagogue used to be (nowadays with a memorial)? Or the so-called "Judenstrasse" near the Marketplace? Anna (talk) 23:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Spelling and translation inconsistencies
What are the Wikipedia rules for foreign language spelling and translations? It doesn't really matter to me which way we handle it, but whatever we do, we should do it consistently.

Right now, Himmelsthür is spelled with an Umlaut, "Hinterer Bruehl" is not. "St. Michael's Church" gets translated right away, "Andreaskirche" and others have the German name with the translation in parentheses. Any reason for that? --Anna (talk) 07:23, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately, nobody has ever answered this question... In the meantime though, someone has changed a few Umlaute, for instance "Hinterer Bruehl" to "Hinterer Brühl". O.k., so I assume that's how we are supposed to be doing it? There is still a number of inconsistencies, and I may just try and find some of them. For instance, the Kesslerstraße, to the best of my knowledge, is still spelled Keßlerstraße, in spite of "Neue Rechtschreibung".
 * Would be nice to know how the names of the churches are to be handled though. It doesn't seem to make much sense to have some of them in English and some in German. --Anna (talk) 22:05, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Akkordeonist??
What is this about an akkordeonist in that panorama picture? Is this some kind of vandalism, or why is he mentioned in this article? Or does he have some kind of a right about having his name mentioned with this picture (might be, since it is mentioned in the source too). Sorry, but that seems kind of ridiculous and certainly very unencyclopaedic. I think I'd rather leave out the picture altogether if that is the case. --Anna (talk) 21:58, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Tourist brochure
Not to single this article out, but it does read and look a bit like a tourist brochure. Granted, its probably notable for its beauty, but do we need quite so many images?(mercurywoodrose)50.193.19.66 (talk) 15:34, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

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