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VSU
I'm curious. What was wrong with this link, in the VSU article?

 * Unis need to prove VSU impact (Sydney Morning Herald)

You removed it as being 'biased'. There are many other anti-VSU articles in that page already; why not allow some balance?

203.206.18.154 04:26, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

:-)

Kim Bruning 17:23, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi, Ambi! Welcome back. :) Func( t, c, @,) 20:09, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Yay! You're back! See what politics will do to you? Stay out of it! Do your job for the job's sake! Alphax τεχ 07:20, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Welcome back!
Hi Ambi! Just a quick note to let you know how pleased I am to see you're back safe and sound. Just a little suggestion: just ignore those who can't find anything better to do with their time than to engage in stupid and petty battles. They're not worth spending time on. I don't often edit your articles, but I have read quite a bit of your work, and I've missed you over the last few weeks. I really hope you're back to stay for good, Ambi. I know I'm not the only one who feels that way. David Cannon 13:13, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Yay! - brenneman (t) (c)  04:03, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Glebe Park, Canberra
Hi Ambi, you mentioned Glebe Park in the City Centre, Australian Capital Territory article. I thought you might be interested to know that I created a Glebe Park, Canberra page and uploaded a pic. The article needs a LOT of work. (I've had enough for one day but I thought a start with a pic was better than nothing). Adz 12:46, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Barendse
Why did you revert my edit? the quote is verry relevant to Joyce's denial. It establishes that he may not be of the opinion that is stated above that. Also, saying that Barendse's election is under a cloud is verry POV. The actual sittuation is described in the paragraph below it and a reader can decide if it is "under a cloud" or not themselves. Xtra 12:57, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

I have it on good advice that Barendse did get Joyce's assurance and he believes Joyce dudded him. Mind you, your acusations against me seem fairly hypocritical to me given the fact that you are just reverting everything i do just for the sake of it. Xtra 14:08, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Why did you remove the link to schema-root.org on the Polisario Front page?
And why didn't you leave a note why you were doing it?

John Tinker 15:54, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

I've had this discussion before about schema-root.org
Wherever wikipedia editors have bothered to look at the schema-root.org page in question, they have decided to keep the schema-root.org link. You can read for yourself discussions which have already occurred concerning this very point. Schema-root.org is currently serving about 20,000 pages a day. Where else but schema-root.org are you going to find cross-referenced newsfeeds, a newsfeed archive, and a number of reference sites relevant to very specific topics? Good form would be for you to edit based upon merit and the resulting effect on Wikipedia page quality, in my opinion. John Tinker 16:47, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I see comments from all of one editor, whom I disagree with. To the best of my knowledge, there's a bunch of sites that offer the same services, but I have no problem with schema-root links being added by people other than the site owner. Out of curiosity, has anyone other than you ever added schema-root links to Wikipedia? Ambi 16:56, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

I have never checked. It would be a simple matter to arrange for others to add links. It would seem a little silly. I think there are about 30 references to schema-root.org in Wikipedia subject pages. Your complaint is only the second one, as far as I know. Schema-root.org has about 7,000 topics total, each with current and archived newsfeeds. So 30 out of a possible 7,000 is hardly spamming, I would say. And you have not yet made any comment about the quality of my site. Or responded to my contention that such should be the determining factor.

Do you have a reference, please?
Ambi, I'm not trying to annoy you, but could you find a reference for me somewhere that would support your "bad form" comment to me. I've been reading through the Wikipedia etiquette, and can't find any references to users not putting links to their own pages, if they provide useful content, are relevant and of good quality. If indeed this is to be a Wikipedia policy, perhaps it should be spelled out somewhere (if it is not currently). Thanks, John Tinker 20:49, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Experimental_Deletion
Staying away from wikipolitics eh? ;-) Anyway, replied to you on the talk page. Basically, it's actually what it looks like, a project to do experiments. Things we learn can either be used to learn about mediawiki, improve vfd, or used to create new deletion systems. But that's all later. Kim Bruning 14:46, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Hmm, you weren't on IRC. What's worrying you? Kim Bruning 15:29, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Sydney suburbs
Thank you for your concern Ambi, but rest assured this is only the start. Living in the City of Blacktown for most of my life, I will strive to see these articles grow. BTW I'm glad to see that you have returned. -- Ianblair23 10:06, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Consideration of Others
We have been discussing the rules editing on this page without your interferrance. It is inappropriate for you to simply jump in and revert work that has been compromised on. I have asked you to participate in the discussion of Bob Jones Universities rules before you revert the page. You have not done so. My earlier reverts on the topic were to my versions. My newest reverts are reverts to a compromised version of the page. I ask you to consider the facts before blindly inserting these rules again. They do not belong here any more than they belong in another school article. They are the "most interesting thing" to you, but that is your POV, not the POV of everyone. To remain neutral, I ask that you consider working within the boundaries of the compromise already reached. Thanks for your help. - Sleepnomore 05:57, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

3RR rule
I see that you are giving sleepnomore a pass on a 3RR rule violation, he has one outstanding on the 3RR reporting page, that he has already been given a pass on. He may get the idea that can do this routinely.--Silverback 06:20, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * If you are involved you should not block him yourself of course. Just document the violation on the 3RR page.  What article did her vilation occur on?--Silverback 07:19, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

An election to win
Hi, Ambi, I'm glad to see you've come back, even if only on a limited basis. The more you do here, the better, but you're right to be sure to avoid burnout. Just out of curiosity, and not that it's any of my business, but what's the "election to win" that you mentioned? (And good luck with your law studies. In the U.S., at least, it's hardest at the beginning, then eases off.)  JamesMLane 06:31, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Prior warning for user:Sleepnomore
user:Sleepnomore has been reported and warned recently. Uh, welcome back. ;) -Willmcw 07:17, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * User talk:Sleepnomore/Archive 0002
 * Administrators' noticeboard/3RR

CSD on Atixive
Wow, talk about speedy! I considered CSD, but I'm ploughing through the deadend articles and am getting a tad impatient with the nonsense. So I decided to be conservative in case my impatience was corrupting my judgement. Next time I'll edit boldly! An admin can always say "No".

--Cje 13:41, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

List of suburbs of Canberra
Hi Ambi, There's a proposal on Talk:List of suburbs of Canberra to roll the group centres into the suburbs they are located within. I thought you might be interested as you have had a bit to do with that page in the past. I don't have strong feelings on whether they're listed separately or together but have put my thoughts up for what its worth. Adz 11:00, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

NPOV?
I've replied to your comment on my talk page. Sam Vimes 16:34, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Sam Vimes' POV
I notcied your comment about User:Sam Vimes on his talk page about POV in this article. The style he uses doesn't show POV for either side, and the language is highly descriptive. "The last batters did rather well in the last test" doesn't convey the infromation that "tail-end heroics from the last test" does. Isn't Wikipedia here to inform? Could you please elaborate on why it is POV. --Commander Keane 17:17, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Avoidant Vandalism of Bob Jones University Page
Please stop editing the BJU page. This is considered Avoidant vandalism "Removing vfd, copyvio and other related tags in order to conceal or avoid entries to risk deletion." Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you.

- Sleepnomore 02:32, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Blanking Bob Jones University due to Copyright Violations conforms to the rules of Wikipedia. Please see: Copyright_problems. Furthermore, removal of the copyright voilation tag is considered Avoidant Vandalism. Please do not engage in this activity. Thank you.

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

- Sleepnomore 02:50, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Please do not continue this edit in violation of wikipedia policy. You are a good editor and I believe you are doing your best, but what you are doing is vandalism. This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. - Sleepnomore 02:58, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

I've done my best
I'm not making legal threats. I've followed wikipedia policy. I've attempted to resolve the issue with you and Willmc without success. I have no choice but to alert BJU and Wikipedia of the copyright voilation in accordance with Copyright_problems. If you would like to return the page to a state that does not contain the listing of rules until you can think of another way to rewrite them, I'll be happy to remove the copyright as well. I understand of all the people who are trying to do the right thing, you are. HOwever, continued removal of the tags is a violation of the policy. I ask that you not do it again unless you intend to remove the offending content in the process. Thank you. - Sleepnomore 02:55, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

1903 by-election
Thanks. Fixed. Adam 03:18, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Sleepnomore
Ambi, I've got an email request from this user to be unblocked stating that he was merely trying to deal with copyright violations. Care to summarize your side of the story? Somehow I doubt it is as innocent as he sounds. Dragons flight 03:33, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

 * Ambi, you can read my response at Talk:Bob Jones University and User talk:Sleepnomore, however, after it was pointed out that you restored the rules list to the BJU article 5 times in 24 hours, I felt compelled to 3RR block you as well. I hope you can enjoy your short holiday.  Sorry.  Dragons flight 05:53, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Empress
Ambi, my sincere apologies about the Empress Hotel comment. I can see it was nothing to do with you. Once again, I'm sorry, I'll be more careful in future. Regards, Canley 23:30, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Ambi
I'm really glad to see you back. What can I say, when you consider someone a friend as I consider you, it just makes feel good to know that that person has returned. Tony the Marine 06:13, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

Page moves
Thank you Ambi for moving "Parramatta" to "Parramatta, New South Wales". Would it be possible also to move "Darlinghurst" to "Darlinghurst, New South Wales". Thanks -- Ianblair23 00:07, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for that -- Ianblair23 03:04, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi Ambi, I have got another one for you, this one was discovered by Nickj - "Illawong" to "Illawong, New South Wales". Regards -- Ianblair23 05:13, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Help please
Hi Ambi, Can you do me a favour and get really really angry about this? I'm feeling seriously threatened over it, and I'd like Wikipedia to be seen to take firm and immediate action. Hesperian | Talk 11:40, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the prompt action. Check your email. Hesperian 12:06, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Nasty recent edits to User:HipHopOppotomus, User talk:HipHopOppotomus, User:WW Rusty Gates and User talk:WW Rusty Gates. I need to step back from this - I'm just feeding the trolls. Hesperian 12:46, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

User:jguk at Talk:Biblical canon
User:jguk is agitating to convert yet another article to BC/AD dating, Biblical canon. I you could comment there it would be much appreciated. Jayjg (talk) 04:31, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Fire
Hi, I was not, despite my firebug inclinations, involved or affected by the fire, thanks for checking. I was meaning to ask you who is the least evil of the parties in the election, at least at UQ they declared their political sympathies. --nixie 04:32, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

ITN
Hi, would you be so kind as to have a look at Template_talk:In_the_news - there have been issues raised yet nothing done, and (in my opinion) there's really only one person in favour of keeping Brogden there.

(btw, it's disheartening to see messages like what you've posted on your main user page as politics should never come into play here, but I'm glad you're continuing) Enochlau 11:19, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

That user that I reverted had vandalised numerous pages that day. I did not write the intro, I just reverted it. Xtra 05:12, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Um, the ABC guy? Not really my field either. Adam 05:18, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Page move
Hi Ambi. I noticed you were active today, so in the hope you're still about, I thought I'd ask for your assistance in two page moves. WP:RM takes far too long. If you can, could you please move Template:Kiportal:Australia/Did you know and Template:Portal:Australia/Did you know back to Template:Wikiportal:Australia/Did you know. I - rather stupidly, it could be said - mass-moved all the Portals templates without really thinking. It didn't occur to me until after I had finished that I couldn't templatise a namespace. Thanks in advance, --Cyberjunkie | Talk 06:19, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks. Okay, I see how I'm being a bit unclear. What happened was that I accidentally moved Template:Wikiportal:Australia/Did you know to Template:Kiportal:Australia/Did you know when I was trying to move it to Template:Portal:Australia/Did you know. Because I want the page history retained, I'd like for Template:Kiportal:Australia/Did you know to be moved back to Template:Wikiportal:Australia/Did you know. After that, both Template:Portal:Australia/Did you know and Template:Kiportal:Australia/Did you know can be deleted. Don't worry about any redirects - I'll try and fix them myself. What a mess...--Cyberjunkie | Talk 09:29, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Template:Kiportal:Australia/Did you know could also be deleted. Thanks Ambi :). --Cyberjunkie | Talk 10:00, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

History of Queensland
The History of Queensland article has finally become the current Australian Collaboration. As you voted for it, you might like to visit and improve the article as you see fit. Thanks --Scott Davis Talk 14:52, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Macquarie
I pointed Jamison Centre to the main Macquarie article rather than having a red link since there is a chunk of info on the centre in the Macquarie article. Rather than undo your reversion I'll now add a redirect. Garglebutt / (talk) 22:58, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

 * It was discussed on the talk page that suburban centres needed a better naming standard such as Dickson Centre. Please don't revert changes that improve linking and information on WP. If someone wants to split an article to create a separate article they can but that doesn't mean a link shouldn't point somewhere meaningful in the meantime rather than a deadend. Garglebutt / (talk) 00:15, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

 * The Jamison Centre is in the Australian Capital Territory. Why would I not include that in the link to distinguish it from potential conflicts? Undoing useful changes to leave WP in a more broken state defies logic. Since you insist on interfering in efforts to improve these articles rather than contributing I'll be abandoning updates for a while - well done. Garglebutt / (talk) 00:20, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Now who's making policy? Dickson and the Dickson centre are certainly not the same thing and Manuka uses the same naming convention. Go read Talk:List of suburbs of Canberra and stop wasting my time. Garglebutt / (talk) 00:24, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

 * So after all the discussion, a vote, a consensus, you undermine the majority decision and chop an already short article in two. The worst thing is that you think you've done the right thing by WP. Garglebutt / (talk) 22:06, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

I see from your talk archive you have a long history of forcing your personal view on other people's edits and calling it consensus or policy. I'll be keeping an eye on you. Garglebutt / (talk) 23:34, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Governor of Western Australia
When you've got a moment, would you mind moving Governors of Western Australia to Governor of Western Australia? (You can leave the redirect mess for me to clean up if you want). Snottygobble | Talk 05:08, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

suburbs of Canberra
Ambi, could you please look at the Talk:List_of_suburbs_of_Canberra page when you an. I left a question there for you just above the voting section. At the moment I'm inclined to vote 'don't care' for the first proposition regarding naming conventon, and inclined to vote to agree with the second proposition, provided that the list icludes in bold those suburbs which contain group centres, to differentiate them from the others. (My main reason is that nothing links to any of these articles other than the List of suburbs of Canberra article). I want to give you the opportunity to reply before voting as I'm open to alternative points of view. Adz 09:55, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

New Australian stubs
A recent coment by you in an edit summary for New articles (Australia): "Stubs - onslaught of crappy stubs; all need cleanup, some may need VFD" is possibly a too strongly worded comment in relation to new editors. Both users responsible for the stubs, User talk:Astrokey44 (link to talk as no user page) & User:Nachoman-au, have only recently started contributing to the wikipedia. Stubs by definition need material added to them. Compared with some of the initial offerings on wikipedia these stubs are much less in need of clean up. Note Nachoman-au has had 402 total edits and has edited 355 distinct pages. Looking at this contributions I suspect many of these are stub creations. The two WA towns are only the tip of the iceberg. Regards--AYArktos 23:38, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

RfA for Cedar-Guardian
An anon user moved your vote on Cedar-Guardian's RfA from Oppose to Neutral. If you are this anon user, please log in and fix the edit. — J I P | Talk 10:34, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

It's Cedar-Guardian
First thank you for commenting on my respond. Second, maybe I've made a mistake changing the Goings-on page, but I want to clarify you the reasons : I've noticed that the Village Pump was getting very unpopular and a posts in it would get no attention, that's why I was thinking of a page where every user could announce and advertise whatever project or news in the community, much like an announcement board (check the interlanguage links in this page for examples in other language wikipedias). I first thought that the Announcement page could be the best, but it semmed that a lot of users wanted to reserve it for news about Wikipedia as a site. One of the reasons I tried the Goings-on page is because it description stated that it was a page for news in the Wikipedia community, but since it didn't get any news, I thought I would advertise it by changing it. What are your comments?

And about the Album namespace proposal, my main motivation is that a lot of images are temporarily removed from an article, and they get lost in the Image namespace. You're right we can move them to the Commons, but not fair use images which represents a big part. The "Album namespace" is just like an "Image category namespace". Putting these images into the old Category namespace like articles is also a solution, but I'm not really a fan of it and some people want to visit categories for articles without waiting for images upload. Please discuss this idea.

Thank you. CG 10:52, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

Also remind you that based on a suggestion from another user, the proposal is changed to Gallery namespace

List of place names
Thankyou for being the first person to actually delete names from those lists, instead of disambiguating them instead! The reasons the ACT list is missing was a combination of getting late the light I was doing the lists, and a complete failing to understand the sort order at List of postcodes in the Australian Capital Territory - what makes a "Main Postcode"? My primary objective on the day was to make all the postcode pages use links with the state names, and then I made plain lists as well, so I could detect misnamed and uncategorised articles. Do you know the history or preferred future for that page? I could start it again from the data at http://www1.auspost.com.au/postcodes/index.asp?sub=2 - the others I just started from what was already in the article. If you have a suggestion of an alternate or better way to sort the postcode lists, I'm open to suggestions, too. --Scott Davis Talk 11:32, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

 * No problem to recreate it. Now that I've shown off, I'll do it properly - my quick attempt forgot to sort alphabetically and insert subheadings :-( --Scott Davis Talk 12:18, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

 * It looks like you're already having fun with the new list - enjoy it :-) These turn out to be a lot harder than it looked like it would be, so thanks for the help. I saw a discussion somewhere recently about article names or needs and categories for the districts and major centres in Canberra. I notice at least some of them showed up in the postcodes list, so have yet another variation of a redlink, probably supporting someone's argument. Woden looks interesting for those reasons and more! --Scott Davis Talk 14:01, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Capitalization
Since I am not a native speaker of English I wasn't aware of the capitalization of months. In future I will capitalize the months. Electionworld 19:09, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Demarest Hall
Hey, I have copyright permission for my entry on Demarest Hall, I live with Enon Avital, the creator of the webpage, it's fine, email him here: dewfather@gmail.com Or sabrina.vargas@gmail.com and khennessey@echo.rutgers.edu who I both work with as Culture Studies leader of Demarest Hall. I'm Brian Zimmerman by the way, I run Culture Studies at Demarest Hall. My email is brizimm@eden.rutgers.edu

Unjumbling Tennyson / Tennyson Point SNAFU
Hi Ambi,

We've got a bit of mess with two Sydney suburb articles, namely Tennyson Point, New South Wales and Tennyson Point. Turns out these are two different places in Sydney, one of which is called Tennyson, and one of which is called Tennyson Point (and is confusingly sometimes also called Tennyson). To untangle the mess (which is mostly my fault), I think we need an admin to do 3 things, namely an redirect/article swap, and deletion, and a move, like so:
 * 1) Tennyson Point, New South Wales article needs to be swapped with the Tennyson, New South Wales redirect.
 * 2) Then the Tennyson Point, New South Wales redirect needs to be deleted.
 * 3) Then the Tennyson Point article needs to be moved to Tennyson Point, New South Wales.

Do you think you might be able to help out? I'll then update both articles to reduce the confusion (including adding a "see also" line so that both articles refer to each other, in case people end up at the wrong one). To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing controversial about this. All the best, Nickj (t) 01:20, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you, that looks great! -- All the best, Nickj (t) 01:55, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

10 Random Pages test
Just thought I'd let you know I'm gonna try that out myself. :) --A Canadian by the name of R  e  dwolf24  (talk) 02:27, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Canberra suburbs and districts
Ambi, I didn't mean to at all suggest that suburb articles weren't valuable. (You might have noticed that I've created Dickson, Ainslie, and Aranda, contributed to others, created some stubs in Gungahlin, and fixed up several of the hastily created stubs which were written in a whirlwind just recently and left in a poor state. I intend to get back to these and fix the rest up in time and also intend to get back to Kingston shortly). I was just making the point that I think we can get more 'bang for buck' with districts and that we shouldn't neglect them. I think that there need to be articles on both suburbs and districts and will continue working on both. I just wanted to clarify that in case there was any misunderstanding. Adz 04:29, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Questions about Afd
Hi Ambi. I was wondering I you might be able to take a look at a reply I've made to a user regarding Afd. I figure you're much more well-versed in deletion policy/guideline than I, and would appreciate if you could let me know if I've got my facts straight. The issue regards a user who redirects articles whilst discussion is concurrent. Thanks, --Cyberjunkie | Talk 16:02, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know your thoughts. My opinion is that, if an overwhelming consensus is formed in under five days, then I am not opposed to the supported action being performed. However, in this case, the article was redirected without consensus. I had suggested delete, and Friday not only thought redirect, he had redirected before anyone else had commented. That, I think, is inappropriate - it is unilateral and defeats the purpose of the process. A review of the discussion a day later shows a general consensus to redirect and thus, I am un-opposed to that happening. But to do so without discussion (ie, at least more than two people), was wrong.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 06:10, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for your good faith attempts to resolve our differences. I regret not earlier taking the step of asking for the opinion of a neutral party whom I think we can both respect. I feel that Rossami has laid the issues out in a way that allows me to see that it's largely a matter of communication and that, in that regard, you have valid concerns that I should not neglect, and that the fault in this matter has been largely my own. --Tony Sidaway Talk 21:29, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Women
Hi, I've made Women in the Australian Senate and Women in the Australian House of Representatives to help another ongoing article. I'd appreciate a hand filling in the missing bios if you're looking for a project, the senate needs many more than the house of reps.--nixie 04:46, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

by-elections
Hi. Maybe I'm being overly pedantic, but don't think it would be worth waiting until the returning officer has declared the results before stating that someone was elected, and possibly even until they are sworn in to list them as an MLA? JPD 15:15, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree that the results are fairly clear - there is probably more chance of one of the victors being invovled in a an accident before taking their seat, than someone else being elected - so it isn't a big deal, even if I am a bi uncomfortable with it. Thanks for suggesting I search when making the dab pages - I was previously only using "what links here" to find other entries. JPD 08:58, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Portal:Law getting on the move!
Hi. Please join the discussion at Portal talk:Law - we're getting things off the ground for featured articles, pictures, cases, and a collaboration of the week! -- BD2412 talk 04:34, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Music of Nigeria
Hi, you commented previously on a nomination for featured article status for music of Nigeria. I've renominated it with various changes, and would appreciate any comments you might have. I wouldn't normally leave a message like this on peoples' talk pages, but it currently has three supports and no opposes (well, one comment that looks quite a bit like an oppose), and I wouldn't want the nom to fail simply for lack of participation -- I'd rather have vociferous opposition than no reaction. Thanks. Tuf-Kat 06:35, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Thredbo Landslide
Hi. You voted at the Australian Collaboration of the Fortnight for 1997 Thredbo landslide which has become the current collaboration. Please help to improve it in any way you can. --Scott Davis Talk 12:21, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Late to the party
I know we've never really had any interaction, but I just thought I'd say welcome back, even though you've been back for a bit now. I hope people don't get under your skin. Many people won't ever hear other people's opinions, so just let them be dicks. And congrats on 14,000 edits (a bit premature, but most villians often have sexual problems) :-) See you around. -- Lord Vold e  mort  (Dark Mark)  15:36, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

User Categorisation
You were listed on the Wikipedians/Australia page as living in or being associated with Victoria. As part of the User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit Category:Wikipedians in Victoria for instructions.--Rmky87 22:55, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Contract
Am I too late? I'm sorry, I didn't check my user page last night, so I missed your message. If there's anything I can do, email me. I'll be out for a few hours from now, though. - Mark 02:05, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi
And thanks for the kind words. I plan to figure out a new (to me) way of being here as I go along. And to add more content, above all else. Filiocht | The kettle's on 07:30, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Your feedback re concensus: I've tried both asking and NOT seeking concensus and am criticized both ways; What gives here?
From User_talk:GordonWatts/RfA, you write:

 * I'm sorry, but I just can't resist biting any longer. Have you ever considered, even for a moment, that maybe your interpretation of policy might be wrong? Consensus is king on Wikipedia. That's how the place works. That's the basis for requests for adminship, too. If there is a consensus that people generally trust you, you'll be granted the privilege - it is not a feit accompli. I've generally been a campaigner for reasonably low adminship standards, and I've not run into you before, but after seeing your behaviour in response to that RfA, I would find it difficult to support you ever. I suspect you'll ignore me as you appear to have ignored all others, but please take a step back and have a look at yourself. Even your allies on Wikipedia have tried and failed to point out to you that you're wrong on this one. By being self-righteous and demanding privileges, you only poison the well with the rest of the community and further demonstrate you don't understand the most fundamental principle of working on Wikipedia - consensus. Ambi 06:26, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * "you ever considered, even for a moment, that maybe your interpretation of policy might be wrong?" Yes, but that is unlikely, since even you admit that the RfA standards should be low; The "policy" as written is plain enough for a kid to understand, so no, whether or not the policy is a good idea, no I'm not misinterpreting it. "but after seeing your behaviour in response to that RfA," Hold on a sec. "response?" Response to what? Maybe I had a reason to respond. So, maybe first you should look at that was said or done to provoke me. I'm not saying I responded perfectly in every situation, but how would you have responded? You yourself admit you campaign for lower, more reasonable standards, so I'm sure you would have been upset at the actions there too. "I suspect you'll ignore me as you appear to have ignored all others" I ignore no one; I read every single post here and elsewhere, if I can (and usually do) -you mean I "disagree" -I do not even always disagree with others when I may be wrong. Seeing my RfA, I apologized to one fellow to whom I said something slightly rude, so no, I don't even disagree 100% of the time. "don't understand the most fundamental principle of working on Wikipedia - consensus." That's why I asked for others to help identify the current concensus both in Wikipedia_talk:Featured_article_candidates and in Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship, but I am damned when I do ask (see the replies I've gotten), and I'm damned when I don't seek concensus (your reply). So, which is it? Should I seek to identify and comply with concensus or not? If I am going about it in the wrong way, don't say I'm wrong unless you have a better alternative, and then "show me" if you're right. I am generally willing to hear (and enact) new ideas. OK?--GordonWatts 08:45, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

From my page, you posted this (and I replied) The point is that the consensus is already apparent to everyone else - which is why no one is bothering to respond to your polls. To become an administrator, there must be a consensus among the respondents that this should be the case. Someone else who had lost an adminship vote not long ago gave you some good advice above - take your loss on the chin, take heed of people's concerns, stop demanding adminship as a right, and maybe reapply in two or three months. Ambi 09:27, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * "stop demanding adminship as a right" With all due respect, Ambi, while I might have been demanding or asking or whatever, I have long ago given up that request: Here's an old post that should clarify: User_talk:GordonWatts/RfA. On the other hand, I'm trying to come to concensus on general policy, not my RfA.--GordonWatts 09:38, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

From my page, you posted this (and I replied)
 * Come to a consensus on what general policy? There is a consensus on Wikipedia that a person becomes an administrator if there is a consensus among the voters to do so. In the very next section on that talk page, you insist that you should have been granted admin status, that the 90% of people who voted oppose were wrong to do so, and insist that it is for you to decide whether you are a trusted member of the community or not, when there is clearly a consensus that at this present time, you are not. Please, Gordon. If you want administrator status, listen to the people who opposed you, and stop digging. Ambi 09:46, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * "Come to a consensus on what general policy?" Did you not see the Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship section??

 * (Quoting current policy on the project page here) "There are no official numerical standards for adminship; however, most new admins have at least three months of participation and one thousand edits." I would add to that, so it reads:

 * Proposed Policy: "There are no official numerical standards for adminship; however, most new admins have at least three months of participation, one thousand edits, and most of their edits spread out, not primarily concentrated in one article or category."

 * They said one thing in policy (no mention of "concentrated edits" vs "diversity"), and did another (used that as a standard). Yes, I know peoples' votes count, but by what standard? We don't know, cuz they say one thing & do another. Asking for clarification is no big sin, lol.--GordonWatts 10:01, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Are you a member of Esperanza even?
I've seen you commenting on Esperanza a lot but I see you're not on the member list. I was gonna invite you to vote at Esperanza/Reform... you still can if you join. I hope after this voting is over we can start the real work :) R  e  dwolf24  (talk) 03:57, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Indian renaming controversy
I moved it back to article space, it's not a page about Wikipedia at all, it's a stub about the name changes of Indian cities and other names of places and things. -- Curps 09:58, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Minimal governance of Esperanza compromise
I have drafted a compromise and I'd like to run it by you and Redwolf, before I post it on the reform page, that allows for a leader to give direction, but with little opportunity to acrue power. The Administrator General, Admin Gen, will be the only goverment functionary, elected to a four month non-consecutive term; self-nominations for the position are not permitted. Redwolf would be acknwoledged as the current Admin Gen and he will set the date for an election to be held within the month. Only Esperanzian members as of the date before an election begins may vote in that election. The issue of government expanison will be taken up when/if Esperanza passes 150 members. I have amende my postion in the hope that Esperanza can do some good even if it is not what I intended. I hope you can moderate your postion as well.-JCarriker 18:30, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Requesting some Sydney suburb swaps
Hi Ambi,

Can I please get the three swaps below made for Sydney suburbs?

 * swap Bankstown Airport, New South Wales and Bankstown Airport
 * Also please swap Circular Quay, New South Wales with Circular Quay
 * Please swap Eveleigh, New South Wales with Eveleigh.

(Just trying to ensure that all Sydney suburbs have their article names ending in ", New South Wales"). Thank you! -- All the best, Nickj (t) 09:21, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you, and I understand about Bankstown Airport :-) All the best, Nickj (t) 00:49, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

low-value links
Hi Rebecca

Please don't link simple years, decades and centuries unless there's a good reason to do so. They are of no use to the reader, and make the text slightly harder to read. See Make_only_links_relevant_to_the_context.

Tony

PS I meant 'meaningless', of course, in the last edit summary. 'Wikify' means to use Wiki mark-up, including internal links. I don't think it necessarily implies that articles should be peppered with blue (and for most users, underlined) links to sites of no particular relevance. Picking a previously linked year at random, 1916 starts by telling me about blood transfusions. It contains nothing about Patrick White.

I want to:
 * keep the reader focused on Patrick White;
 * limit Wikipedia's valuable linking function to useful links, thus increasing the likelihood that readers will follow those up; and
 * make the text slightly easier to read and more attractive on the page.

The practice of linking all chronological items appears to arisen from the need to link dates to enable the auto-formatting function (which is justifiable because it performs a use). Mass linking of all years, decades and centuries is now a problem, in my view. See the article on Kammerlader, Australia and, I think, the United States for already highly linked text that does not blue out all the years.

Somehow, we have to get some photos. The one that the elusive Simon has chosen looks good, but yes, you're right about the copyright thing. I think the ABC's Patrick White site might have to be approached eventually for permission to use their stuff. What do you think?

Tony 01:56, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Future-Drama

Untitled
It says that "Nelson finally understands why his father left". But, I was under the impression that he said that as a way to abandon Sherri and Terri.- B-101 15:29, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Otto
Otto appears to die in this episode by jumping of a cliff while trying to glide. Worth a mention? Jimmmmmmmmm 19:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No, as not part of Canon. And he appears further into the future than this is set, in Lisa's Wedding.--TimothyJacobson (talk) 03:01, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Cultural references
In my opinion the police in this episode have same kind of suits as robocop without his helm. Worth mentioning?

They're definitely Robocops, I'm more curious about a subtler reference, when the characters enter the Prom the song "Take On Me" By a-ha is playing, which is also to song playing as characters enter the prom in the film "Grosse Pointe Blank" AKLR 10:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Song not mentioned
One song that's not mentioned here is the song played when Bart and Homer's in the hover car. The song is I.G.Y (International Geophysical Year) by Donald Fagen from the album The Nightfly. I really think that should be mentioned here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.255.151.28 (talk) 01:28, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

What's the song?
Taken from Ralph Wiggum:

"Future-Drama": Ralph has a brief cameo during his high school prom, in which he claims he can use the toilet. Although he is only briefly featured, he appears to be an older version of his younger self here complete with non-sequitur. Ralph becomes inadvertently intoxicated when Nelson Muntz spikes the punch, leading to humorous hallucinations.

When he drinked it, a "hippie" song started playing. The same song can be found in many episodes of The Simpsons. What is the name of it and maybe worth mentioning?

In my opinion the song sounds like Incence and peppermints by Strawberry alarm clock. It can also be heard in the episodes D'oh-in in the Wind and Weekend at Burnsie's.

Yeah, you're right. I listened to the song myself. Holiday56 (talk) 04:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah it's a MIDI rendition of "Incence and peppermints" by Strawberry alarm clock, which is considerd iconic for the late 60s counter culture. Since it's a very brief moment, and does'nt contribute to the plot, it's not really worth mentioning in the main article. Though I'm sure anyone who's interested will check here too. Elcaballooscuro (talk) 07:57, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Clarification
"Bart is in love with a blonde girl, Jenda (normally a diminutive of a male name)."

What is Jenda diminutive of? I'm taking that out of there anyway because it's UTTERLY IRRELEVANT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.167.136.139 (talk) 08:09, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Canon or not?
Are "predicting the future" episodes of The Simpsons considered canon or not? --Fiffy032 14:26, 14 December 2008 (Eastern Time (US and Canada) GMT)

No, as they contradict each other--TimothyJacobson (talk) 02:58, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Future Prediction
Hasn't anyone noticed the similarity between Cletus being the Vice-President in this episode, and what could have happened, which is that Sarah Palin (considered by many a real-life Cletus) becoming the Vice-President? (24 States voted for her). I mean, not in Wikipedia, but mentioned on other sites. 58.108.233.162 (talk) 03:28, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Think it's a coincidence. When this ep first came out, Palin hadn't stepped forward as a nominee--TimothyJacobson (talk) 02:58, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Removal of Cult ref
I'm going to remove a lot from the opening paragraphs as it is repeated in more detail in Cultural Ref section--TimothyJacobson (talk) 02:58, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Done--TimothyJacobson (talk) 03:01, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Bender
Does Bender have any dialogue in this episode? I didn't think he did, but Joe DiMaggio is listed on the wiki page as providing his voice--TimothyJacobson (talk) 03:01, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

He did, when he first appears, he says something to the effect of, "You guys will be my new best friends." Homer replies with something like, "Like Hell!" and throws him out of the car. mpbx (talk) 03:54, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Wait, I found it here: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Simpsons#Future-Drama_.5B16.15.5D

(After Bart and Homer pass through a quantum tunnel during their hovercar ride) Bender: All right! You guys are my new best friends! Homer: You wish, loser! [dumps Bender off the flying car making him crash into pieces] mpbx (talk) 03:55, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Planet of the Apes
There was a banner "Give apes the vote. You won't regret it". Sounds like a parody prequel to Planet of the Apes.
 * Original research unless you've got a reliable source. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 13:02, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

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Milhouse
stuck between the trees in the end is a reference to the famous greek wrestler Milon (Son of Diotymos), who perished after that kind of a mishap. --77.188.34.234 (talk) 00:02, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Russell Conwell

Cite sources
I expanded the material using the external link http://www.temple.edu/about/temples_founder.html and facts from page 214 of volume 6 of the American People's Encyclopedia of 1963. RJFJR 15:30, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

Role as a Baptist Minister
I think that this section is way too in depth for the article. Conwell's legacies are Temple University and Acres of Diamonds. I think it is distracting to have so much information of his position in Grace Baptist Church and that this section should be pared down / removed.

I radically disagree that this section should be pared down or removed. Temple University and Samaritan Hospital would have never existed had it not been for Grace Baptist Church. Actually it is significant that Grace Baptist Church was the largest protestant congregation in the US according to Conwell's 1899 biography and may have been the largest protestant congregation in the world. A church with a weekly attendance of 5,000 people was and is not a small accomplishment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.97.15.3 (talk) 13:54, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Merge pages
I think that the page Acres of Diamonds should be merged with this one. Both articles are stubs and it seems a little superfluous to have the two articles on separate pages. Any thoughts? I have also added an image of Russell Conwell to this article.The SG 20:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Makes sense to me -- I did the merge. If in the future someone has a great deal of information to add about "Acres of Diamonds," the two pages can be split again. -- phoebe (brassratgirl) / (talk) 21:42, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Story of Johnny Ring
The version on this page does not match what I was previously told about Johnny Ring, Russell Conwell, and the Captain's Sword. I seem to remember that Russell Conwell considered himself an aetheist prior to the Civil War. However, he did not become a Christian until he himself was injured in the war. Also, Johnny Ring died in a fire as he tried to save the Captain's Sword. I do not want to edit anything posted by anyone else. Teachrn 22:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)TEACHRN

Removal of source
The statement that Conwell was inducted into Chinese Freemasonry was backed by this source. Unfortunately, the source is a letter to the Editor of Time Magazine by someone named Edward M. Taggart of East Orange, N. J. ... letters to the editor are not considered reliable sources. We have no idea who Mr. Taggart is, or if he knows what he is talking about or not.

I have had to delete this unreliable source twice... Fred.e reverted my first deletion with the edit summary: "Letter refers to article in time. He was in the chinese lodge. Prove otherwise please"... Fred, that's not how Wikipedia works. If you want to add a statement to an article, you have to provide a reliable source for it. The source you reverted isn't considered reliable. It is obvious from Mr. Taggert's letter that while the Time article being referred to discusses Chinese Masonry, it does not mention Russel Conwell (Mr. Taggert would not have had to point out that Conwell was a Chinese Mason if the original article had done so), so that is not a reliable source. Mr. Taggert's letter itself is not considered reliable under WP:RS and WP:V either. Thus, another source needs to be found to back up the statement that Conwell was a Chinese Mason.

Note that I am not challenging whether Conwell was or was not initiated into Chinese Masonry... For all I know (or care) he was. That's why I didn't remove the statement. I am simply objecting to the source that was used to back the statement, since it does not comply with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. I am simply requesting that another source be located and used instead.

Finally, even if I did doubt that Conwell was a Chinese Mason, I would not have to "prove otherwise'... it is up to those who add information to back the statements up with citations to reliable sources. It isn't up to those who want to remove improperly sourced information to "prove otherwise". Blueboar 16:25, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Samaritan Hospital
I see evidence that there is a 20 bed Samaritan Hospital founded in January 18, 1892 and a second building "Samaritan Hospital Addition" was constructed in 1925. Samaritan Hospital was renamed Temple Hospital in 1929. This suggests that the Samaritan Hospital Addition became Temple Hospital not the original 1892 building. Can anyone confirm this? 96.26.79.253 (talk) 23:16, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Broken Links Fixed
All of the external links to the Temple University website were broken so I went through and corrected them. The source material looks the same, so it appears that Temple just changed their url format at some point.

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Gunther Gebel-Williams

Gunther Gebel-Williams (September 12, 1934 – July 19, 2001) was an animal trainer for Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus from 1968 to 1990.

Early life
Gebel was born in Schweidnitz, Lower Silesia (now Świdnica, Poland). As a child, he and his mother relocated to Germany, in all probability as part of the expulsion of ethnic Germans, when Silesia was ceded to Poland after World War II. His father was missing in the Soviet Union.

Career
Gebel and his mother started working for Circus Williams in Germany in 1947. When its owner suddenly died, the owner's widow asked the 18-year-old Gebel to become the animal trainer which began his career. He then took on the additional surname Williams.

Gebel-Williams came to prominence during the early days of television when the circus was still a popular form of entertainment. His appearances on television shows like The Ed Sullivan Show and The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson, in addition to his work with the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus, accelerated his renown as a tamer primarily of elephants and tigers.

After retiring from the ring, he took a management position as Vice President of Animal Care for the circus. He passed down his skills as an animal trainer and performer to his son, Mark.

Death
Gebel-Williams died of a brain tumor on July 19, 2001, in Venice, Florida.

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Talk:Golghar

Golghar for storing grain for the 'British Army'?
Is there any evidence for the Golghar being constructed to preserve grain for military forces specifically, as opposed for the whole population? The citation just points to a tourist guide site, which is hardly an authoritative source. The Government of Bihar's Directorate of Archaeology page about the Golghar makes no mention of it being dedicated to military use. If the capacity of the granary was 140,000 tons then surely that would far exceed what would be necessary to feed a large garrison? James Harvard (talk) 14:50, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Is the cited weight capacity of Golghar, of 140000 tons, correct?
I suspect there is a problem with the cited weight capacity of Golghar...

Simplifing (greatly) Golghar can be considered to be half a sphere of radius 29m (its height).

Volume of a sphere = (4/3) * PI * r^3.

Therefore the volume of Golghar: = ((4/3) * PI * 29^3) / 2 = ((4/3) * PI * 24389) / 2 = 102160 / 2 = 51080m3 = approx 50000m3

If Golghar holds 140000 tons of grain then each ton occupies: = 50000 / 140000 = 0.357m3

Now, if one metric tonne is the weight of a cubic metre of water, this suggests that the tons of grain in Golghar are something like three times heavier than water, which is unlikely.

My volume calculation clearly errs on the high side, so the actual internal volume of Golghar must be much less. If this is the case then each of the 140000 tons of grain will have even less space, which therefore leaves this mythical grain as being even denser than my initial calculation suggests.

A number of things need to be done:

 * confirm my primitive calculations for the internal volume of Golghar.
 * arrive at a mathematically reasonable number of tons for the capacity of Golghar, given an approximate density of grain.
 * if my suspicions prove correct the original source (if it can be found) for the weight capacity of Golghar as being 140000 tons should be identified as being incorrect.
 * the derivation of the correct approximate weight capacity of Golghar should be explained and the result cited.

Cricobr (talk) 12:28, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Government should take care of it.
There will be a gaurd who take care of it.. Ami Mishra a bad (talk) 14:55, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

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Stillingia

Stillingia is a plant genus of the family Euphorbiaceae, first described for modern science as a genus in 1767. The genus is native to Latin America, the southern United States, and various islands in the Pacific and Indian Oceans. Toothleaf is a common name for plants in this genus.

Medical use
Stillingia sylvatica was used by Native Americans for syphilis and as a cathartic, diuretic, laxative, and emetic. In large doses, it causes vomiting and diarrhea.

Taxonomy
Species include: • # Stillingia acutifolia - Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras

• # Stillingia aquatica - Georgia, Florida, Alabama, S Carolina

• # Stillingia argutedentata - Minas Gerais

• # Stillingia bicarpellaris - San Luis Potosí, Hidalgo, Coahuila

• # Stillingia bodenbenderi - São Paulo, Córdoba

• # Stillingia dichotoma - Bahia, Rio de Janeiro

• # Stillingia diphtherina - S Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras

• # Stillingia dusenii - Paraná

• # Stillingia linearifolia - SW USA, N + S Baja California, Sonora, Guadalupe I

• # Stillingia lineata - Réunion, Mauritius, Philippines, Maluku, Lesser Sunda Is, Fiji

• # Stillingia oppositifolia - Rio Grande do Sul, Minas Gerais

• # Stillingia parvifolia - Peru

• # Stillingia paucidentata - S California, SW Arizona

• # Stillingia peruviana - Huancavelica

• # Stillingia pietatis - Michoacán

• # Stillingia querceticola - Nayarit

• # Stillingia salpingadenia - Brazil, Bolivia, Paraguay, N Argentina

• # Stillingia sanguinolenta - C + S Mexico, Honduras

• # Stillingia saxatilis - Bahia, Minas Gerais

• # Stillingia scutellifera - Paraguay, Misiones

• # Stillingia spinulosa - SW USA, Baja California, Sonora

• # Stillingia sylvatica - SE + SC USA

• # Stillingia tenella - Bolivia, Jujuy

• # Stillingia terminalis - Madagascar

• # Stillingia texana - Texas, Oklahoma, Coahuila

• # Stillingia trapezoidea - Piauí

• # Stillingia treculiana - Texas, Nuevo León, Coahuila

• # Stillingia uleana - Bahia, Minas Gerais

• # Stillingia zelayensis - C + S Mexico, Central America

Many species formerly in Stillingia have been moved to other genera, including Actinostemon, Adenopeltis, Anomostachys, Balakata, Bonania, Ditrysinia, Excoecaria, Grimmeodendron, Gymnanthes, Homalanthus, Maprounea, Microstachys, Neoshirakia, Sapium, Sclerocroton, Sebastiania, Shirakiopsis, Spegazziniophytum, Spirostachys, and Triadica. • # S. africana - Spirostachys africana

• # S. agallocha - Excoecaria agallocha

• # S. appendiculata - Sebastiania appendiculata

• # S. arborescens - Sebastiania granatensis

• # S. asperococca - Microstachys chamaelea

• # S. aucuparia - Sapium glandulosum

• # S. baccata - Balakata baccata

• # S. bahiensis - Sebastiania bahiensis

• # S. bidentata - Microstachys bidentata

• # S. biglandulosa - Sapium glandulosum

• # S. bingyrica Baill. - Shirakiopsis indica

• # S. brasiliensis - Sebastiania brasiliensis

• # S. brevifolia - Sebastiania brevifolia

• # S. campestris - Microstachys corniculata

• # S. chamaelea - Microstachys chamaelea

• # S. cochinchinensis - Triadica cochinchinensis

• # S. commersoniana - Sebastiania klotzschiana

• # S. concolor - Actinostemon concolor

• # S. coriacea - Microstachys marginata

• # S. corniculata - Microstachys corniculata

• # S. cremostachys - Sebastiania klotzschiana

• # S. crotonoides - Microstachys hispida

• # S. cruenta - Sebastiania cruenta

• # S. cubana - Bonania cubana

• # S. daphniphylla - Sebastiania daphniphylla

• # S. desertorum - Sebastiania brasiliensis

• # S. discolor Champ. ex Benth. 1854 - Triadica cochinchinensis

• # S. discolor (Spreng.) Baill. 1865 - Gymnanthes discolor

• # S. diversifolia - Shirakiopsis indica

• # S. dracunculoides - Sapium glandulosum

• # S. eglandulosa - Grimmeodendron eglandulosum

• # S. elliptica - Shirakiopsis elliptica

• # S. frutescens - Ditrysinia fruticosa

• # S. fruticosa - Ditrysinia fruticosa

• # S. gaudichaudii - Gymnanthes gaudichaudii

• # S. glabrata - Gymnanthes glabrata

• # S. glandulosa - Adenopeltis serrata

• # S. goudotiana - Excoecaria goudotiana

• # S. guianensis - Maprounea guianensis

• # S. guineensis - Excoecaria guineensis

• # S. haematantha - Sapium glandulosum

• # S. hastata - Microstachys ditassoides

• # S. heterodoxa - Microstachys heterodoxa

• # S. hilariana - Maprounea guianensis

• # S. himalayensis - Excoecaria acerifolia

• # S. hippomane - Sapium glandulosum

• # S. hypoleuca - Gymnanthes hypoleuca

• # S. indica - Shirakiopsis indica

• # S. integerrima - Sclerocroton integerrimus

• # S. jacobinensis - Sebastiania jacobinensis

• # S. japonica - Neoshirakia japonica

• # S. lanceolaria - Triadica cochinchinensis

• # S. lastellei - Anomostachys lastellei

• # S. laureola - Sebastiania laureola

• # S. laurifolia - Sapium laurifolium

• # S. laurocerasus - Sapium laurocerasum

• # S. ligustrina - Ditrysinia fruticosa

• # S. luschnathiana - Gymnanthes glabrata

• # S. madagascariensis - Excoecaria madagascariensis

• # S. marginata - Sapium glandulosum

• # S. melanosticta - Sclerocroton melanostictus

• # S. multiramea - Gymnanthes glabrata

• # S. myrtilloides - Microstachys daphnoides

• # S. nervosa - Gymnanthes nervosa

• # S. nutans - Homalanthus nutans

• # S. obovata - Sapium obovatum

• # S. pachystachya - Sebastiania pachystachya

• # S. paniculata - Balakata baccata

• # S. patagonica - Spegazziniophytum patagonicum

• # S. phyllanthiformis - Sebastiania schottiana

• # S. populnea - 	Homalanthus populneus

• # S. prostrata - Microstachys corniculata

• # S. prunifolia - Sapium glandulosum

• # S. pteroclada - Sebastiania pteroclada

• # S. ramosissima - Sebastiania brasiliensis

• # S. rigida - Sebastiania rigida

• # S. salicifolia Klotzsch ex Baill. 1865 not (Torr.) Raf. 1832 nor Small 1903 - Sapium haematospermum

• # S. schottiana - Sebastiania schottiana

• # S. sebifera - Triadica sebifera

• # S. sellowiana - Microstachys corniculata

• # S. serrata - Sebastiania serrata

• # S. serrulata - Microstachys serrulata

• # S. sinensis - Triadica sebifera

• # S. stipulacea - Microstachys stipulacea

• # S. thouarsiana - Excoecaria thouarsiana

• # S. trinervia - Sebastiania trinervia

• # S. velutina - Microstachys corniculata

• # S. virgata - Microstachys bidentata

• # S. weddelliana - Sebastiania weddelliana

• # S. widgrenii - Gymnanthes widgrenii

• # S. ypanemensis - Sebastiania ypanemensis

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Pictou Highlanders

The Pictou Highlanders was an infantry regiment of the Canadian Army from 1871 until it was amalgamated into the Nova Scotia Highlanders in 1954.

Lineage
Founded in 1871 as the Colchester and Hants Provisional Battalion of Infantry it went through several name changes including, in 1871, the 78th Colchester and Hants, or Highlanders Battalion of Infantry; in 1879 the 78th Colchester, Hants and Pictou Battalion of Infantry, "Highlanders"; in 1900 the 78th Colchester, Hants and Pictou Regiment, "Highlanders"; in 1910 the 78th Pictou Regiment "Highlanders"; in 1921 The Pictou Highlanders; and in 1946 - The Pictou Highlanders (Motor).

History
With the outbreak of the First World War, the 78th Pictou Regiment (Highlanders) raised volunteers for the overseas battalions of the Canadian Expeditionary Force. During the Second World War, The Pictou Highlanders were active in a defensive role but were never engaged in battle. Details of the regiment were raised for local protective duty on September 1, 1939, and full mobilization occurred on January 1, 1941. The first move that the regiment made was to Newfoundland for coastal defense duty from March until August 1943. In September of the year, one company was dispatched to Nassau, Bahamas where it performed garrison duty until March 1946. A second company entitled Special Infantry Company (Pictou Highlanders) was mobilized on September 10, 1942, for service in Bermuda from November 12, 1942, to April 1, 1946. Their duties performed, both the active battalion and the Special Infantry Company were disbanded on April 30, 1946. During the life of the active units, a 2nd Battalion also served in Canada in the Reserve Army.

In 1954, as a result of the Kennedy Report on the Reserve Army, this regiment was amalgamated with The North Nova Scotia Highlanders to form the 1st Battalion of The Nova Scotia Highlanders with The Cape Breton Highlanders forming the 2nd Battalion.

The Pictou Highlanders before amalgamation held its final Order of Precedence as 33.

Alliances and Uniform
The Pictou Highlanders were allied to The Seaforth Highlanders (Rossshire Buffs, The Duke of Albany's) and were kitted as Seaforth's except for regimental badges and the Bugle cords were Royal.

Perpetuations
The regiment perpetuated the following units

The Great War

 * 17th Battalion (Nova Scotia Highlanders), CEF
 * 246th (Nova Scotia Highlanders) Battalion, CEF

Battle honours

 * Ypres, 1915
 * Festubert, 1915
 * Mount Sorrel
 * Somme, 1916
 * Amiens

Notes and references

 * Barnes, RM, The Uniforms and History of the Scottish Regiments, London, Sphere Books Limited, 1972.

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Cassie Ventura

Casandra Elizabeth Ventura (born August 26, 1986), known mononymously as Cassie, is an American singer, dancer, actress, and model. Born in New London, Connecticut, she began her musical career after meeting producer Ryan Leslie in late 2004, who signed her to his record label, NextSelection Lifestyle Group. In 2006, Ventura released her debut single "Me & U", which was discovered by rapper Sean "Diddy" Combs. Leslie agreed to partner his NextSelection imprint with Combs' Bad Boy Records for the commercial release of her debut album. The song marked the first of her two entries on the Billboard Hot 100, peaking at number three by July 2006.

With "Me & U" issued as its lead single, Ventura's self-titled debut studio album was released in August 2006, peaking at number four on the Billboard 200. In 2008, Ventura released the single "Official Girl", featuring Lil Wayne. In 2009, she released the singles "Must Be Love", featuring Diddy, and "Let's Get Crazy", featuring Akon. She signed with Interscope Records to release her debut mixtape RockaByeBaby in 2013, which was promoted by the music videos for its singles "Numb", featuring Rick Ross, and "Paradise", featuring Wiz Khalifa.

Ventura signed with modeling agency Wilhelmina Models early in her career, and later One Management. She has modeled for Calvin Klein and has been featured in magazines including GQ, Seventeen, and Bust. She was the face of ASOS's 2013 spring collection. Ventura has starred in advertising for Delia's, Adidas, Abercrombie & Fitch, and Clean & Clear. She has appeared in films such as Step Up 2: The Streets (2008) and The Perfect Match (2016).

Early life
Casandra Elizabeth Ventura was born on August 26, 1986, in New London, Connecticut. Her mother is of African-American, Mexican and West Indian descent. Her father is Filipino. She attended The Williams School, a preparatory school, located on the Connecticut College campus. At age 14, Cassie began modeling and by 16 was modeling for local department stores, Delia's fashion catalog and Seventeen. Cassie briefly appeared in R&B singer Mario's "Just a Friend 2002" music video.

Encouraged by producer Rockwilder, Ventura took vocal lessons, modern ballet, as well as using her school's performing arts program. She finished high school in 2004 and moved to New York City, where she returned to modeling and classes at the Broadway Dance Center. She began booking print and commercial modeling gigs and being represented by Wilhelmina Models.

2004–2007: Cassie
Ryan Leslie spotted Cassie at clubs and parties in late 2004 frequently. The two wrote a duet called "Kiss Me", and after recording the track, Leslie played the song for music executive Tommy Mottola. Mottola offered Cassie a management deal, and Leslie signed her to NextSelection Lifestyle Group. Leslie wrote and produced Cassie's first single, "Me & U", in 2005. The song became a club hit in Germany. During this time, Diddy heard "Me & U" in a club, and Leslie convinced him to partner his Bad Boy Records with Leslie's NextSelection imprint for the release of Cassie's debut album.

Ryan Leslie produced most of the album, which is a mix of R&B, hip hop and pop. Ventura said in an interview, "I rap, I sing, I do my R&B, I do my slow songs and stuff that the girls will love, I have a down South joint, I have a rock song that I did with my girls this band called Pretty Boys." She paid tribute to her Filipino culture by incorporating OPM sounds into some of the ballads. The album, Cassie, was released on August 8, 2006, and sold 321,000 copies in the United States. The album's lead single "Me & U" peaked at number three on the Billboard Hot 100, selling more than 1 million digital downloads.

To promote her album, Ventura performed on Total Request Live and 106 & Park: BET's Top 10 Live. Her performances were described as "rocky" and "less-than-stellar", but Combs said that it was due to her inexperience. He said that he would be "with her through her development", and that he has no "question on her ability [to sing]". Ventura addressed the events on her MySpace page, saying that she is aware that her performances were "pretty bad", and that she was "still getting over stage fright".

MTV News reported in June 2007 that contrary to rumors, Ventura had not been dropped from Bad Boy Records after releasing two singles from her self-titled debut album. Combs said that she was in the studio working with producers Kanye West and Pharrell Williams on her second album. It was reported that Ventura was no longer collaborating with Ryan Leslie, who had produced the majority of her debut album. Ventura later stated that she was open to collaborating with Leslie again. According to Bad Boy A&R Daniel 'Skid' Mitchell, rather than largely relying on the one songwriter-producer, the new album's mix of writers and producers, as well as her own co-write input, makes it a more personal record for her.

Additional production on the album came from Seven and LV, as well as Combs himself. Ventura said that she had collaborated with Akon, The Neptunes, Danja, Eric Hudson, The Surf Club and Rob Holiday, although she was not sure which tracks were going to be included on the album. Commenting on the number of producers on the album, Ventura said that she "collaborated with a lot of different producers and a lot of different writers, which was an amazing opportunity for me, because on my first album, one producer [Ryan Leslie] straight through... which was fun, but it was nice to experience other people."

2008–2013: Acting debut and RockaByeBaby
In 2008, Ventura made her acting debut as Sophie Donovan in the dance film Step Up 2: The Streets, she also sang the lead single "Is It You" to the Step Up soundtrack. The song was released on November 13, 2007, and peaked at eighty-five on the Canadian Hot 100 and fifty-two in the UK's The Official Charts Company. In July 2009, Ventura announced that her second studio album's title would be Electro Love. Ventura said that her new album will demonstrate more "independence"; there will be a "difference in vocals, a little bit more personality. And it's definitely a sensual album". Three singles have been released from the album; "Official Girl" featuring Lil Wayne in August 2008, "Must Be Love" featuring Diddy in April 2009, and "Let's Get Crazy" featuring Akon in August 2009. All three singles failed to chart in the United States.

After several delays, it was announced in December 2009 that Ventura had signed a new record deal with Interscope Records. She is featured in a spread in the August/September issue of Bust in which she said a new single will be released in the fall. At the time of an October 2010 interview with HitQuarters, A&R Daniel 'Skid' Mitchell said that Ventura had already recorded around fifty songs for the album. Mitchell said that she was taking her time over the album because she is keen for "it to be something that people are going to respect". She appeared in rapper Wiz Khalifa's "Roll Up" music video as his love interest.

Ventura released the single "King of Hearts", which was released in the United States on February 14, 2012, along with the official music video. On April 24, 2012, Ventura performed the single live for the first time at BET's 106 & Park music video show. She concluded the performance with a brief dance number set to the Kanye West remix of the song, along with four dancers. After the performance Cassie and 106 & Park were worldwide trending topics on Twitter and it received mostly mixed to positive reviews from various online media outlets. The single, "Balcony", featuring Young Jeezy, was sent to U.S. urban radio stations on September 18, 2012.

On September 13, 2012, Nicki Minaj released the debut single off her re-release album Pink Friday: Roman Reloaded – The Re-Up, titled "The Boys", featuring Ventura. The song was sent to urban radios on September 25. A music video was released on October 18.

In July 2012, Ventura announced that she had been working simultaneously on her album and a new mixtape titled RockaByeBaby. It was released on April 11, 2013, and was named the best mixtape of the year by Dazed & Confused. The mixtape saw the release of "Numb" featuring American rapper Rick Ross on April 2, along with the song's accompanying music video and "Paradise" featuring rapper Wiz Khalifa premiered on April 9, 2013, alongside the video on BET 106 & Park. In April 2013 it was announced that Ventura was the face of the Summer 2013 Forever 21 collection.

2015–2019: Second studio album and other endeavors
In March 2015, Ventura's boyfriend, rapper-producer Combs, announced he would return to producing and revealed he would be producing songs for Ventura's second studio album. In 2016 it was announced Ventura would return to acting, playing the lead role in the romantic comedy The Perfect Match. It was released on March 11, 2016. In late 2017, she released the singles "Love a Loser" featuring American rapper G-Eazy and "Don't Play It Safe".

In January 2019, after ending her relationship with Combs and leaving Bad Boy Records, Ventura worked with producers Chris n Teeb and singer-songwriter Ro James. Throughout Summer 2019, Ventura released several singles via her own Ventura Music label: "Moments" with The Code, "Excuses," "Hungover", "Don't Let Go", "Speaking Of", "Rollercoaster" featuring Ro James, "Teach Me" and "Simple Things". The series of releases was dubbed "Free Fridays" by Ventura and serve as a teaser ahead of the release of her second album.

Artistry and public image
Cassie's music is described as R&B, pop, and hip hop soul. Andy Kellman of AllMusic praised her vocal performances for having "character and ability". Ventura cites Aaliyah, Jennifer Lopez, Christina Aguilera, Madonna, Stevie Wonder, Nine Inch Nails, Britney Spears, La Lupe, Mariah Carey, Faith Evans and Usher as musical influences. Cassie refers to herself as a "die-hard Janet Jackson fan", continuing to say "I'd love to emulate Janet Jackson's career—totally, Janet Jackson is an incredible and fantastic, from her moves to her voice".

Ventura's debut album is R&B and pop rock with urban and contemporary R&B styles, the album contained "looming synthesizer patterns" and "ice-cream-truck melody to give it a slightly twisted and threatening edge", as well as containing "flippant playfulness". RockaByeBaby is an R&B and hip hop mixtape that featured "dark" and a "raw, laid back vibe".

Ventura is considered a style icon due to her "edgy style" and "feminine" and "sophisticated" fashion. Ventura is accredited with setting the trend among women of shaving their hair, after Ventura shaved hers in 2009 influenced by punk. She has cited Kate Moss as her style influence.

Personal life
Ventura married personal trainer Alex Fine in September 2019. The couple have two daughters, born December 2019 and March 2021.

Ventura was in a long-term relationship with Sean "Diddy" Combs from 2007 to 2018. On November 16, 2023, she filed a lawsuit against Combs alleging that he subjected her to a decade-long "cycle of abuse, violence and sex trafficking." The lawsuit was filed in the Federal District Court in Manhattan under the Adult Survivors Act, a New York law which allows people who say they were victims of sexual abuse to file lawsuits after the statute of limitations has expired. Ventura claimed that the abuse began when their relationship started and that this included a 2018 rape after she tried to leave him, and multiple instances of domestic violence.

Combs' attorney Ben Brafman denied the allegations. One day after filing the lawsuit, the parties announced they had reached an agreement to resolve the case, and did not disclose terms of the out-of-court settlement. In May 2024, CNN obtained and published a video of Combs grabbing Ventura, punching her and then throwing her to the ground and kicking her and stomping on her in a hotel hallway in 2016. This led to Combs issuing a video apology where he acknowledged the incident.

Discography

 * Cassie (2006)

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James Brown discography

This is a discography chronicling the musical career of James Brown. Brown joined Bobby Byrd's vocal group The Flames in 1953, first as a drummer, and then as leading front man. Later becoming The Famous Flames, they signed with Federal Records in 1956 and recorded their first hit single, "Please, Please, Please", which sold over a million copies.

After the hit release of "Try Me", following nine relative failures, the group scored a series of hit albums and recordings in the early 1960s. Brown's solo aspirations started around 1962. By the time of "Papa's Got a Brand New Bag", he used the Flames less and less as he became a full-fledged solo artist who was now involved in the development of a new R&B subgenre, funk. Eventually the Famous Flames left him in 1968 as did his James Brown band by 1970 and Brown hired The J.B.'s who helped contribute to his continuing success in the 1970s. After their disbanding, Brown struggled for a number of years with recordings before the release of 1985's "Living in America", and having success with the albums Gravity (1986) and I'm Real (1988).

Brown charted at least 96 entries on the Billboard Hot 100 and at least 110 entries on the R&B chart. Seventeen of Brown's singles, including five credited as "James Brown and the Famous Flames", hit number-one on the R&B chart. He recorded several more hits pseudonymously, notably "(Do the) Mashed Potatoes" and "Doing It to Death". In addition to his own hits, Brown wrote and produced charting records by many other performers, including Bobby Byrd, Hank Ballard, Tammy Montgomery, Lyn Collins, Marva Whitney, and The J.B.'s. In contrast to his chart success, few of Brown's hit recordings were certified by the RIAA, partly due to the reluctance of his record labels to pay the required fees. He had just two certified gold singles - "Get on the Good Foot" (1972) and "The Payback" (1974) - and one gold album, 1973's The Payback. However, two 1991 compilations of his work earned RIAA certification: Star Time (gold) and 20 All-Time Greatest Hits! (platinum).

Singles discography
(Note) Listed below are the charting singles James Brown released on the King Records subsidiary Federal and King record labels, and Smash Records. Most of the songs also feature The Famous Flames on backing vocals through 1965. Brown had recorded singles for Bethlehem and Ember Records alternatively.

Home video and film releases

 * Hard Hits (1994; VHS only)
 * Live at The House of Blues (1999)
 * James Brown: Soul Survivor (2004)
 * Live in Montreux 1981 (2005)
 * The Night James Brown Saved Boston (2008)
 * I Got the Feelin': James Brown in the '60s (2008; 3-DVD set featuring The Night James Brown Saved Boston, Live at the Boston Garden 1968, and Live at the Apollo '68 )
 * Live at the Boston Garden: April 5, 1968 (2009)

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James Bohary

James Bohary (born 1940 in Brooklyn, New York) is an American abstract expressionist painter. He was born to an English mother (Alice Wood born in Bolton Lancashire in 1907) and an Indonesian father William. He has studied graphic design, illustration, drawing, as well as art education (B.S. from New York University). He emerged from the New York Studio School in 1969, where he studied painting and drawing with Philip Guston. His influences include prehistoric art, Sassetta, Rembrandt, Cézanne, and Willem de Kooning.

His paintings, including the new ones, exemplify many characteristics of the abstract expressionism of the modernist period. They are painted in thick, multilayered impastos, gestural, heavily textured, and sometimes with a sense of horror vacui with gestural details extending over every area of the painting. His working methods involve years of building dense masses of oil paint. A wet-in-wet layer is allowed to rest, sometimes over a long period, then more layers are added.

His paintings can be found in the following museums: the Corcoran Gallery of Art in Washington, D.C., the Hood Museum of Art in Hanover, New Hampshire, the National Academy of Design in New York City, the Snite Museum of Art at Notre Dame University, the Wellesley College Museum, and the Indiana University Art Museum.

Bohary has received numerous awards, including the American Academy & Institute of Arts and Letters Award (1985) and Certificate of Merit, National Academy of Design (1993). He was elected as a Full Member of the National Academy of Design (1994).

He has taught at such schools as Queens College, Parsons School of Fine Arts, New York Studio School, Binghamton University (where he still teaches) and Dartmouth College.

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CSCR

CSCR may refer to:
 * Complexe sportif Claude-Robillard
 * Central serous chorioretinopathy
 * Carbon selective catalytic reduction

title: CSCR


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hung pork 50

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:44, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Hung pork 50
Part vanity, part nonsense. BJAODN it. ...Oh, and I'm the Olympic champion of it. KeithD (talk) 15:36, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Joke - and besides, I just got out of a cold shower. -- BD2412 talk 15:55, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete another shot at BJAODN, but not funny enough --Outlander 16:07, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Just because you never win^W^W^W^W^W Delete. Not funny enough for BJAODN. --GraemeL 16:12, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - for the above reasons --Mysidia (talk) 16:15, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Do you want one that works or one that looks good in the shower? -- WCFrancis 17:02, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I say keep the page!. It is informative, a valuable tool, and has already given me ideas on how to make some extra cash! Thank you Wikipedia.
 * Delete. Rubbish, not suitable for BJAODN. David | Talk 21:16, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Nonsense presumably contributed by a big...no let's not go there. DJ Clayworth 21:31, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * STAY Why can't this be a legitimate sport? Why do you all feel it is rubish or nonsense?  I thought the object of an encyclopedia was to bring to date and inform the readers of fact.  I believe it should stay and is worthy to on Wikipedia web page.
 * Delete A Google search for "Hung pork" comes up with 45 results mostly relating to pig meat as you would expect see Not even its popularity amongst the sockpuppet community can save it. Capitalistroadster 21:49, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I must agree that you can not find it by typing in Hung Pork but if you type [Hung Pork 50http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22hung+pork+50%22&btnG=Search] you will find an interesting site. There was a great story about an old timer named Tripod.  If anything I got a good laugh.
 * A visit to the Google search above showed 4 of 14 results for Hung Pork 50 confirming my belief that it isn't very notable. Capitalistroadster 23:32, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. --*drew 07:08, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, nn. --Agamemnon2 14:27, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 *  NEVER DELETE IT!!! Leave the page!  It is too good and if true very informative.
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Benedetto Bordone

Benedetto Bordone (died 1531) was a Venetian manuscript editor, miniaturist and cartographer. He was born in Padua, then part of the Republic of Venice. His date of birth is unknown but his parents were married in Padua in 1442 and he was married there in 1480.

His most famous work is the Isolario (The Book of Islands, "where we discuss all islands of the world, with their ancient and modern names, histories, tales and way of living..."), in which he describes all the islands of the known world, detailing their folklore, myths, cultures, climates, situations, and history. Printed in Venice in 1528, the work is an example of a cartographic genre popular in Italy during the 15th and 16th centuries. It is intended as an illustrated guide for sailors and attempts to include all the new transatlantic discoveries.

Isolario contains an oval depiction of the world, a type of map invented by Bordone and formalized into the equal-area elliptical Mollweide projection three centuries later. Bordone's map shows a very distorted Mondo Novo (New World), displaying only the northern regions of South America. North America, depicted as a large island, is labelled Terra del Laboratore ("Land of the worker"), almost certainly a reference to the slave trading in the area in those days and from which comes the name Labrador.

The book also contains a record of Francisco Pizarro's conquest of Peru, the earliest known printed account of this event. Of particular interest in this work are numerous woodcut maps, twelve of which relate to America. One map displays a plan of "Temistitan" (Tenochtitlan, modern Mexico City) before its destruction by Cortez. Also of interest is a map of Ciampagu, the earliest known European-printed map of Japan as an island.

Bordone is reputed to have been the father of Julius Caesar Scaliger, a classical scholar, and grandfather of Joseph Justus Scaliger, founder of the science of historical chronology. Original maps from Bordone's Isolario are prized for their historical value.

title: Benedetto Bordone