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Elizabeth I
Saying that Elizabeth's religious views were held only to "suit her own ambitions" is ipso facto non-neutral. The description of the manner in which the Irish insurrection of 1583 was put down is not neutral, insomuch as it paints the English as cruel and oppressive. "Appalling" is inherently not a neutral phrase. I hope that these explanations suffice; if not, we could discuss it further. -- Emsworth 00:34, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Atilla
Damned if I remember. On the Village Pump or Reference desk, I believe someone had typo'd something, and I made a cheap pun. I occasionally do that, usually with an edit summary like "Frivolous remark" or "even less useful response". -- Jmabel | Talk 23:50, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Protestant Dissenters
On the precision of the term 'dissenter': yes and no. I think it's a loaded term, even without the historical connotations; it places one side rather than the other as those who dissent, seeming to imply that the thing they dissent from is the generally-accepted truth. I don't think it adds anything to the statement "[the claim] is disputed on grounds of doctrine by Protestants" to add that the Protestants are "dissenters" - the statement already says they disagree with the claim; adding that they are "dissenters" merely seems to give them a particular characterisation.

On the term 'Protestant': I, and the 'Protestant' article, think that Protestant now fairly unambiguously refers to members of the Christian movement which divided from the Roman Catholic Church at the Reformation; the third major branch of Christianity along with Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy. I'm not sure I see that as particularly vague; and I think it is the case that all Protestants would dispute the Roman Catholic Church's right to sole use of the description "Catholic".

On the term "Catholic Church": ideally, yes, each article would have a single, simple, uncontroversial title. Unfortunately, the organisation referred to by this article prefers a title - "the Catholic Church" - which makes a claim which is disputed; the 'Catholic' article has a good examination of the different claims on the term Catholic. I'm sure that, for example, the Palmarian Catholic Church would also like to be called "the Catholic Church", while most if not all Protestant denominations would claim that no single denomination has the right to call itself that. I don't think it's compatible with Wikipedia policies for Wikipedia to declare that one contenter is "the Catholic Church", even if it is the largest body that claims that title. Those outside the organisation usually distinguish which particular "Catholic Church" this is by prefixing it with "Roman". Wikipedia policy on naming is:

"Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature."

What is specifically not mentioned is what the body itself would like to be called. It is of interest, and should be noted, that the body would prefer to be called the Catholic Church; but I don't think it's Wikipedia's place to award it that title given that a large proportion of people would dispute its right to it.

On Talk:Roman Catholic Church: I read it; I post to it; unfortunately, it's far too long and little-read. I've read most of it, but there's no consistent thread of debate, just a huge array of unconnected comments. For example, I made a proposal on there (about the Terminology section) several months ago; but I haven't yet carried it through, because, even though it received no objections on the talk page, I have no confidence that the majority of editors will have read it. Nothing ever seems to be decided there; it probably needs a purge and restart from scratch.

TSP 14:44, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Spanish Armada
Thank you for your note. Leicester point taken but he was back in England by 1588. I hope the article contribution is not too forthright but religion is always a problem. When it enters into a topic, an attempt to point out truths will appear unbalanced to those whose minds are set in another direction. :-) (RJP 13:29, 23 September 2005 (UTC))

''>Your point ... should be relegated to the discussion page'' I do not think so. The points of view in the Spanish and English/Dutch articles are too different/opposing to be brushed under a discussion page. I hope you will agree after you read the Tergiversaciones históricas ("historical distortions") section in the Spanish Wikipedia Armada article. I have renamed the section from "Discussion" to "Point of view". MH 20:30, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Black Legend
Hi, Shtove. My contributions to es:Leyenda negra were mainly objections. I find the article in w:es extremely POV, and I have argued with Ecelan to the point. I think the fact that the very term was developed by a conspicuous ultra-Catholic and pan-Hispanist revisionist should be clearly mentioned in the introduction, and that more attention should be paid to the usage of the term by the historians of the Franco regime, more interested in resuscitating an anachronical idea of Spanish grandeur and nobility than in historical precision. I don't think the English version is much better, unfortunately.

Nevertheless, I am no historian. I think your best bet in this regard is es:User:Cinabrium, who is far more competent on the matter than I am. He has a homepage here, he writes some mean English, and he's certainly up to the task. Best, Taragüí 13:48, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

(copied from User talk:Jmabel) Thanks for your vigilance. It's a significant propaganda subject, so I'm trying to get fair Spanish input to make the article more or less accurate and balanced, in both languages (I dont' speak Spanish, and my knowledge of the subject is marginal) - hopeless perhaps, but can you assist? The end of the discussion page shows my attempts. Are the people I'm talking to the same ones you keep reverting?shtove 23:39, 17 October 2005 (UTC) (end copied passage)

 * Who knows, since the people I find myself reverting are almost uniformly editing anonymously. The comment above indicates that Taragüí would probably have objections that would go well beyond those I've raised, but in the same direction.

 * FWIW, I read Spanish well and write it decently. If you have specific material you want translated, I'm glad to help (though a bit busy), but I agree with Taragüí that the Spanish-language Wikipedia article won't be much help: unsurprisingly, it is even more uniformly apologist for Spain.

 * What the article really most needs is references and citations, so that no one has an excuse to keep throwing away large portions of it that they happen to like, selectively invoking the claim that the material is uncited. And this is a topic where I suspect that the online references will mostly be mediocre: for a controversy that raged largely in historians' journals, someone needs to do some library research.-- Jmabel | Talk 00:22, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Brian Boru
Thanks for your input and don't give up just yet :) See comments on Talk page - FrancisTyers 00:39, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Columbus in Galway
The info was related to discussion on Christopher Columbus, and whether there was any evidence to support the saga that he learned about Hy Brasil in Galway. See Talk:Christopher Columbus. --Red King 18:04, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

(btw, while I'm here, it is not true to say that Protestants are Dissenters. Only Presbyterians, Quakers, Baptists (along with Catholics) are - the dissent is from acceptance of the Supremacy Act and the Book of Common Prayer. --Red King 18:04, 31 October 2005 (UTC))

Redirect
You can move pages with the "Move" feature :) I hope I didn't cause an edit conflict when moved it. Nice article, BTW. Alensha 23:03, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Ian Paisley
No problem, the unverified info can probably be deleted, since it appears to be a very weak conspiricy theory, not even notable since its not widespread.

You might like to look over Cite_sources/example_style and Template_messages/Sources_of_articles/Generic_citations for some hints on how to format references. --Barberio 02:21, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

On Basques, Milesians, Welsh and Irish...
Please accept my apologies for a delayed reply. I've been on (short) vacations, far away from computers (or even TV or newspapers -- and yes, there is a life beyond the Internet :D).

Getting back into the issue: tracing the roots of a people is usually a hard task, particularly when one does not have written documents. Modern science gives us two significant tools: genetics and linguistics. If a people is essentially an identity (common culture, common traditions, self-recognition of "belonging to"), the latter tends to be more useful than the former. But both of them can (and indeed do) give us good clues.

From linguistics, it is today generally accepted that Basque (Euskara) is an isolated language. It is believed that Euskara was part of a more extended pre-indoeuropean linguistic conglomerate (a family of languages, perhaps?) also represented by the longtime extinct Aquitanian language. The words Gascon and Basque have the same root, since the Romans called the tribes living in that area uascones- Archaelogical evidence shows that Basque ancestors were living more or less in their current settlement area, i.e. between the Adour and Ebro rivers.

From genetics, we know some interesting (and curious) things. Among all peoples, Basques have the highest prevalence of both type O blood and Rh negative factor. Basques with O- blood are 27% of the population, against a 7% average for people of European descent[*]. This fact has given grounds for some speculative theories: areas known to have been occupied by the Cro-Magnon man (as the Atlas Mountains of Morocco and the Canary Islands) show a very high incidence of Rh-, and this is often cited. together with skull features, as a proof of the Cro-Magnon origin of the Basques.

If we try to get the mythical Milesians into historical context, we could say that the legend is an account of (one of the?) indoeuropean wave(s) moving westwards. By all accounts, Milesians were Celts. Protocelts appear in Central Europe (Urnfield and Hallstadt cultures) between 1500 and 1000 BC, contemporarily with the migration of Protoitalics to Italian Peninsula, the rise of the Vedic civilization in Punjab (Northern India) and the fall of the Micenic civilization. Between 1000 and 500 BC Celtic languages spread over Central and Western Europe, and Celts reach British Isles not before the second half of the 1st millenium BC (see also Celtiberians). There is no reason to assume that those Milesians were Basques; it is however possible that they could have departed from the mouths of the Adour (today's Bayonne), coming from Celtic areas in today's Southern France.

With regard to genetic kinship between Basques, Welsh and Irish, I've not found the reference here in WP. Some form of correlation is however possible, so please let me speculate a little bit about it. Today's Irish and Welsh peoples are of Celtic origin, but a lot of intermixing exists. Basques are not Celts, but a lot of intermixing with neighboring Celtic peoples (as Galicians) exists too; in fact, Basque "ethnicity" is not defined as belonging to a certain genetic heritage, but by the sharing of a common language: Euskaldunak ("the Basques") are "Euskara-speaking people". Their land, Euskal Herria, is "the land of those that speak Euskara".

I hope this (unordered) notes help. If you have any further questions, please contact me (in my Wikipedia en español talk page). Best wishes from Cinabrium 02:06, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Note:
 * [*]BTW, my mother and most of her family are O-. I'm A+, and am alive just because I was her firstborn child. Had I been the second, Wikipedia would have had one less editor (see Rh disease).

islands Voyage
It does not link to an article yet because it has not yet been witten! But it is the name of the expedition: Google ["The Islands Voyage" expedition Azores] --Philip Baird Shearer 00:24, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Irish 16C Articles
Hi Shtove, thanks for all your good work on the tudor Ireland articles up to now. I want to have a really good set of articles on early modern Irish history here, so I've also been looking at the biographies of people from that time. The Hugh O'Neill article is coming along, which is good because it was left in really bad state until recently. Likewise the Hugh Roe O'Donnell article. How about a category people of the time eg "Tudor Irish People" or 16th century Irish people"?

I'm not happy about the Florence MacCarthy article at the moment. It seems to be far to long to me and clouded in detail, which the average reader could never absorb. I may have mentioned before that I wrote an MA thesis on this topic, so its a bit close to my heart! I am tempted to re-write this article completely, but I want to run it by you first. (Chapters of the MA can be sent by email if you are interested btw! :) )

Also, I've made some changes to Tudor re-conquest of Ireland recently. What I want is to have a thorough but fairly concise account of the main trends in English policy in Ireland and the Irish response to them. Do you think anything has been missed out? You might also like to have a look at Early Modern Ireland 1536-1691 for the same reason - is anything important missing?

Another project that I have in mind is the starting of articles on 16C battles in Ireland, including a category to contain the Nine Years War battles. I have my sights on battle of Affane, battle of Farsetmore, Siege of Smerwick Castle, battle of Clontibret, battle of Curlew Pass, battle of Moyry Pass. Help would be much appreciated. Jdorney 01:28, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Clontibret
Very good work. I've expanded it a bit with details from McCoy's "Irish battles", but your text is still the backbone of the article. I've also added an article on the Battle of Affane, whichyou mifght like to edit. Jdorney 01:09, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Good work on Affane. I would question though, whther its a good idea to quote Falls directly. For one thing, Fall' language is abit dated, for another thing, his writing usually echoes the state papers a bit too uncritically. Have most of those battle articles done now. Only Moyry and Smerwick left. Jdorney 22:20, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Doh! Apologies. Ok, well "espied" sounds strange to my ears anyway. Re the "rascals", I have no doubt that Fitzgerald used the term, but I think in modern terms it would mean "marauders", "looters", or "scavengers". Kerne would have done this, but also acted as scouts and skirmishers. Lennon's fairly brief account says that the Geralidines were caught in the river, I assumed this meant drowned. Fair enough. I don't really understand aht you mean about Coyne and livery. If you are asking what it means, it refers to the maintaining of private armies by Irish lords. The term itself comes from the combination of an Irish word for free quarter, coinnmheadh and the English word Livery, which means the colours or uniforms worn by a lord's retained soldiers. Jdorney 00:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Carrigafoyle
Excellent work. I wikified it a bit and added a sentence. We're nearly there on the battles front now. I have notes ready on the battle of Moyry Pass and intend to start it shortly. I have no detailed info on Smerwick however. Do you? Btw, have you seen battle of Farsetmore article and battle of Curlew Pass? Your input would be appreciated. Jdorney 19:14, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

History of Ireland
I don't like the "story" designation either, actually. It's bugged me since I first saw it. In fact, I'm preparing (after some discussion) to attempt a condensed rewrite of the whole intro that is more "intro" and less "highlights of Irish history". When I do that, I'll do my best to throw in some verbiage that acknowledges Ireland's interactions with the continent. Dppowell 17:15, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Richard Grenville - Trivia
In the Trivia section at Richard Grenville you added an anecdote about Gilbert. Does this belong under Grenville? The connection is not clear. Shouldn't it be under Gilbert, if anywhere? Also, how reputable is the source? Lambiam 09:17, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Anne Boleyn
Hi,

Please, next time if you edit a page and you see that it was last edited by an anonymous someone, check if they made good edits or simple vandalism. I had to restore 72.235.103.88's deletions one by one because simply reverting them would have deleted your later additions. Thanks if you pay attention to this. Alensha 17:48, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

 * You are right about the reference to Thomas More, it was a bit POV, I tried to NPOV it without deleting the explanation why was Anne against him. The reference to Anne as a victim was in a quote from Retha Warnicke; it's her opinion not that of WP, as it is stated. The same about the word "fetus" (baby sounds better, but we shouldn't change quoted text.) regards, Alensha 19:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Pope Pius XII
I checked the article as you requested. It does appear that your edits have been reverted, but it appears that they were reverted by an anonymous editor, not by EffK. I may restore them. Robert McClenon 18:58, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I restored your edits. EffK has not been editing the article in the last few days, only flaming away on the talk page. Robert McClenon 19:09, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

 * See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/EffK and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/EffK/Evidence and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/EffK/Workshop for background information. Robert McClenon 19:24, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

 * More like an oil well. A distant comet causes no pollution on the Earth. Robert McClenon 20:29, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Various articles
Hi, thanks for the comment. Some of my articles are related to my work. Others are related to stuff that I loved to read about in my teens. But actually many of the contributions I am most proud of are about subjects that I had never heard of before. I think that writing an article for Wikipedia does much more for me than for Wikipedia... All the best, Jorge Stolfi 01:00, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Curlews Pass
Looks good to me. I've put the Florence McCarthy thing on the long finger for now. Re Yom Kippur, there is no way in hell I would get involved in debates over Arab-Israeli history of any kind on wikipedia, life's too short. Jdorney 14:48, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Dia Duit
Hi there! Delighted to meet your acquaintence, Shtove, and am very much looking forward to reading your articles. There's not many people doing much on Irish history pre-1798, so contribuitors such as yourself are invaluable. Be sure do drop me a line. Cheers! Fergananim 21:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Old Countess
Sorry, didn't notice your first message. I reverted because "the Countess" and "the Earl" are incorrect — only Dukes and Duchesses are referred to by the rank alone, with all others being "Lord X" or "Lady X". And calling her "Fitzgerald" is wrong on two counts: (1) peers and peeresses are referred to by title, not surname; and (2) her surname was "FitzGerald", not "Fitzgerald". And Irish rules are entirely the same as English rules, since the Irish Peerage was instituted entirely by England (it's not like Scotland, which developed it separately and so developed its own quirks). Proteus (Talk) 17:44, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Return of the Man with No Name
Bingham was a very interesting charecter, and I'm sure I have some notes pertaining to him somewhere. If you do have any queries concerning his activities west of the Shannon I'd be delighted to help. At the moment I'm trying to create a comprehensive list of Irish Kings and Kingdoms, then work through them biographicly. You might also find this - http://celt.ucc.ie/publishd.html - a useful resources. As my health is irregular my input varies, but don't let that stop you asking me. Cheers! Fergananim 21:06, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Hitler and charisma
I corrected the article charismatic authority as per your request. I do not think that a statement in the summary about Hitler's charisma is appropriate. Though it should be mentioned somewhere in the article. Andries 13:13, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Anglo-Irish debate
Hello Shtove, I know you mainly contribute on Irish historical matters, and I wondered whether you have any guidance to offer on the use of the term Anglo-Irish in the opening paragraph of WP biogs. See my query at Talk:Anglo-Irish. Thanks -- Op. Deo 20:28, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

EffK
I don't think so. To my knowledge there are no WP articles on famous editors, are they? And he will anyway never tell. He always adhered to a "do ask, don't tell policy". Str1977 23:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

No offence at all. I just wanted to increase the chance of EffK not reading such suggestions. It will only lead to another rant. He will probably read it any way, but one can always try. I can assure you that he's not Schröder's ex-wife, neither Hillu nor her two predecessors. But I won't say more about it in the open because ... well, result as above. Cheers and Goodnight, Str1977 00:10, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Answer
Hi, you left a question for another user yesterday concerning the deletion of an article, and your question was deleted as well. The user did not wish to be rude, and would have answered privately if your e-mail facility had been enabled. However, you have stumbled across something confidential, concerning threats to another Wikipedian. Jimbo is aware of the situation. Hope that helps. KHM03 03:05, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Understood. Thanks.--shtove 17:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

From User talk:Anglius
Sir, what do you mean by claiming that Irishmen taught Englishmen how to speak their own language?--Anglius 04:35, 22 February 2006 (UTC)--Anglius 00:54, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Apostrophes
I'm interested in 15th-16th century history generally - I've made quite a few petty tweaks to some Swedish articles as well. Nothing personal! —Serein 07:02, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Deutche Desmond
Indeed, I'm most flattered! Jdorney 16:01, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes it does seem to be based on the English langage article. There is now also a stub in Swedish!

Re the British Empire, I think there should certainly be a section on early modern Ireland in it, though i don't have the energy myself at the moment. Canny's Making Ireland British is good. Another useful book for the colonisation of Ireland is "Natives and Newcomers", a collection of essays, I can't remember the name of the editor right now though.

Re ideology, there's a compilation book called "Political Ideology in Ireland 1541-1641, edited by Harman Murtagh, which is very informative. Also there's a recent, somewhat off beat bok about writing in English on Ireland in the seventeenth century by Deana Rankin titled, "Between Spenser and Swift". For Irish language responses, a good place to start is Michelle O'Riordan's, "the Gaelic Mind and the Collapse of the Gaelic world". Also Brendan O Buachala has a book in Irish whose name I can't remmeber right now.

Other books would be more specific about particlar times and events. I like Murtagh's "Tyrone's rebellion" for the background on Hugh O'Neill and the outbreak of the Nine Years War. Ciaran Brady has a provocative but interesting take on 16c Ireland in th "The Chief Governors", where he emphasises the sincerely held belief of English governors in civil "reform" in the 1500s and why this collapsed into violence. Stephen Ellis' "Tudor Ireland" has loads of minute detail, but is not great for the bigger picture in my opinion.

Hope that helps, Jdorney 11:28, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Clint Eastwood
"Help appreciated. I hope you're in good health. Is your name Clint, by any chance?--"

Delighted you asked, though you might have to wait a while for me to do so as I'm still under the weather. And no it is'nt. Fergananim 14:33, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Maps ,Galway etc
Canny is still there alright, he's actually my supervisor! Hopefully he doesn't know how much time I waste on here. Re maps, I'm afraid i don't know anything about them except how to cut and paste them from other articles. Same with pictures. Jdorney 15:19, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Bruce Wars in Ireland
I've being doing some long-overdue edits to Edward Bruce, particularly under the headings "The Invasion of Ireland" and "Arrival and the Campaign of 1315". I began it because the original article was hopelessly wrong in many places, but am now wondering if what I am writing would be better suited as an article in its own right on the Irish Bruce wars? Fergananim 19:16, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Hypatia

 * Oy Shtove, I just always say hoo-pah-TEE-ah, which solves the whole problem!
 * Yo, anonymous - many thanks (I think - what was the problem?). So hard T, with emphasis. But how does Hy turn in to Hoo? Ancient Greek? Or is it Irish-whiskey pronunciation? Oy - there's a bit on the Roman pronunciation of Veni Vidi Vici talk - weeni weedi weechi - wot u fink?--shtove 21:35, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Naming policy
Hi, shtove. I have more than a passing interest in your favourite area. I am, however, wondering why you anglicise all the names of sixteenth century Gaelic and Gaelicised lords when, for the sake of accuracy, the standard practice in Irish Historiography (e.g. K. Simms, Mac Niocaill etal) is to use the Irish version if they were culturally Irish but the anglicised version if they were not? That practice allows for Florence McCarthy's name to be anglicised, while conveying an equally accurate role for figures such as Brian Ó Ruairc, Ulliam Nuinseann, Fiacha Mac Aodha Ó Broin, Mac Muiris Mac Gearailt, and so forth. I fear that the reality of Ireland's diversity in the sixteenth century is not conveyed with your current policy. El Gringo 01:59, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Countess/Lady etc
Just a thought, but elsewhere when we have people correctly addressed in one form but much more famous by another we do the following.

Robert Stewart, 2nd Marquess of Londonderry, KG, GCH, PC (18 June 1769 – 12 August 1822), known until 1821 by his courtesy title of Viscount Castlereagh

I don't know the details of the Countess in question to dispute what she may have been called incorrectly but a 'known as X' after the formal usage may be the solutionAlci12 17:34, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

copyright
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Nine Years War/ Cogadh na Naoi mBliana
First, the use of 'rebel' to decribe the native Irish does in fact imply that Irish resistance to English rule was unusual, was exceptional. The word in this context was designed to establish English rule as the norm in society. Ciarán Brady devotes some time to discussing this in his book on Shane O Neill/Seán an Díomais and points out that it was O Neill and his struggles which represented the norm in society and, if any group had been 'rebelling', it was the English government of Ireland which was rebelling against the norm. It is a thoughtless word for a professional historian to use; an acceptance of the English view of the time as fact. Second, because Irish-born worked in the English government doesn't make it less colonial, no more than Algerian-born Pied Noir working for the French made the French government in Algeria less colonial. In fact, native-born workers are part of every colonial government and all works on colonialism and settler-colonialism incorporate them into the structure of those types of government. Third, to claim that the government was 'Irish domestic' implies that domestic Irish concerns were at its heart. With just a flicker of thought towards the English attitude towards the Gaelic world, Ireland's majority culture, this is patently untrue. The refusal to allow even Irish-born Old English head the government confirms that in English eyes the nascent Old English community was not to be trusted in government (and they were not). It was a government which was fully controlled by the English, most especially from Sussex's deputyship, and to claim it was a 'domestic Irish' government is simply ahistorical. The resistance to English policies from 1556 to 1583, and the ultimate defeat of the Old English, confirms beyond doubt English colonial control over the government. El Gringo 13:20, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Martin Luther
I'd liked your suggestion. It set off a ... discussion. Why not stop by? --CTSWyneken 00:51, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

 * And we're off again! --CTSWyneken 19:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

 * YOur opinion on a catagory dispute at Martin Luther is requested. --CTSWyneken 15:31, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Elizabethan Ireland biographies
Hi Shtove. I suggested the rename from Category:Elizabethan Ireland biographies to Category:Elizabethan Ireland people (or one of the alternatives I listed) as I didn't think the term 'biographies' was right in this case, because it's a self-reference to the articles, rather than actually describing the content of the articles. You can probably best see what I mean by comparing Category:People (This category is for biographical articles) with Category:Biographies (This category is for articles about books that are biographies). If there is a consensus to rename, an admin will run through the pages with a bot to make the necessary amendments, so there shouldn't be any edit implications. BTW, Ryan is the guy that added my welcome message. All the best. - Nzd (talk) 20:55, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Shtove. Thanks for your message. If you'd like to contribute to the discussion, you can do so here. I will try to remember to notify category creators when suggesting renames in future. Apologies for not doing so this time. All the best. - Nzd (talk) 22:42, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

My user page
Thanks for your note on my user page. I have now made it look worse, as I added one more link, and didn't know how to format it, but I think it's better to leave it like that, and hope that someone else will fix it. I've sent a message to the guy I stole the page from, so he might be able to help. It's good to see some intelligent and reasonable comments at Hitler, by the way. AnnH ♫ 11:49, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Mercator
I am afraid I don't have other maps of Ireland or Mercator. Some time ago I was collecting maps related to 17th century Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. What I found is here - maybe some of the sites will have the maps you are looking for.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:45, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Photo
Sure, it's GFDL so there's no restriction on its use within Wikipedia. The reason I requested something better is because it's badly scanned and due to the sunset it's not especially good for demonstrating what the islands look like. As for who took it, either me or my father, it was a long time ago and we were using the same camera, so I've forgotten. Joe D (t) 02:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Rockall
I've posted your Rockall photo in Spanish Armada in Ireland. Thanks. Do you have any other images that would be relevant there - ie. stormy west coast of Ireland?--Shtove 22:18, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Nice article! I'm heading out to sea next week and might get some pics of the north coast (can't promise stormy though! :) ), so I'll drop you a line if they're any good. Cheers. Anilocra 11:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Spanish Armada in Ireland
My compilments on a excellent article ClemMcGann 13:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

re the Museum - do drop in any Saturday or Sunday - If I'm not there ask for Philip Smiley. You might also consider diving associations ClemMcGann 09:46, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Presbyterian Church in Ireland
Hi, I left a reply for you here.  theKeith    Talk to me   12:46, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Irish Stubs
I've added a few more stubs, and hope to have a few more done before too long. Nothing too adventerious, but hopefully of interest. Knock yourself out. Fergananim 17:49, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Mac an Bhaird
 * Diarmaid Mac an Bhaird
 * Leabhar Cloinne Aodha Buidhe
 * Clandeboye
 * Mac Aodhagáin
 * Leabhar Breac
 * Murchadh Ó Cuindlis
 * Laidcenn mac Buith Bannaig
 * Leabhar Clainne Suibhne

Spanish Armada in Ireland
My proverbial hat's off to you! GREAT WORK! I especially like the photos, as far too many wiki articles are not well served in this department. I'll begin to add in little bits here and there, especially in relation to the west coast. It is well worthy of featured article status. My only advice at present would be tighten it up, make sure all the sub-headings are in right order, and go over the opening paragrah again. The bold print looks a bit odd where it is, and I think any reference to the Desmond Rebellion should be removed to the main text. However had'nt that ended back in the early 1580's? Minor quibbles, I stress. 8/10! Fergananim 21:49, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Very interesting reading, but could you please advise how you identified the ship that was wercked in Tralee Bay. My information, from the journals of the Kerry Archaeological & Historical Society - No. 23 (1990)"The Surrender of an Armada Vessel near Tralee; an exploration of the State's Papers by Brendan G McCarthy is inconclusive on the identity of the ship but states that it is a barrk (bark, barque) between 40 and 50 tons with 24 people on board. It was a small three masted vessel and would be called a Patax or a Zabra by the Spanish.(Fenitharbour) MOC 18:19, 12 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fenitharbour (talk • contribs)
 * This is why citation is so important. The details in the article come from the Graveyard book listed in the general sources at the end of the article: written by a journalist who didn't give precise citations in his own text and didn't supply an index, so it's not easy to cite text pages throughout the article. Google it to see if you can get a copy - short book, very good read, with a solid account of the politics. Judging by my knowledge of the original state papers of the period, it also seems reliable on those details of the shipwrecks. I've done my best with this, can do no more! You seem to have a good source, so please add it. All the best.--Shtove (talk) 21:44, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Countess of Desmond
She is up now. The "E" from "example" did not get cancelled out. The picture, I think, was originally in Muckross House. The Dublin Review articles on her will require MASSIVE re-writing of the article.

Smiley box
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Bare bones
I saw your comment about a bare-bones version elsewhere. Good Idea. Difficult to implement. Agathoclea 22:04, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Hitler
Hi!

Yeah...I should have known better than to read an entry on the Life of Adolf Hitler on an open-edit site such as wikipedia.

There are clearly two main strands of people who use Wikipedia: 1)Those who want to achieve some form of self-glorification by seeing their name in lights. 2) Those who are thinking, 'This might be of use to someone else'.

I used to edit bits and pieces for Encyclopedia Britannica for a couple of years andI thus find all this subtle political manoeuvring very childish indeed.

Hitler was about as Christian as Ming the Merciless...and not quite as well dressed either.

To my mind there is a small clique of persons who wish to slam organisations such as the Roman Catholic Church through petty mided tactics. Although I am Catholic by birth it is not so much that which bothers me. The section on Hitler's religious beliefs on Wiki is dangerous; it seems to portray a man only half guilty of his own crimes by suggesting 'great forces' were at work to twist his mind.

I share Fest's objection to calling Hitler 'Evil' - it excuses his human actions by portraying him as being the pawn of some dark force.

But yes, I'll continue to repaste the quote I supplied from Mein Kampf indefinitely as the thrust of the existing subtleties is deeply offensive given the vast weight of material demonstrating Hitler despised christianity no less than he despised judaism.

Best,

Dave.

....and yes, I am in London!

("Baaaah!") :o) --Iamlondon 17:08, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Westward Ho
Hi Shtove. I don't have any particular doubts that Westward Ho! offers examples of the black legend or was influenced by it. But because the BL is such a hot button topic, we should adhere quite closely to the verification and NOR policies. I would say the same about the BL article itself. Nesbit 02:28, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

BTW, I'm near a university library. If you can recall the sources, I can try to look them up. Nesbit 04:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Old English
Hey there, Our paths have not crossed much recently for some reason. Anyway, I have done some long overdue clean-up work on the Old English (Ireland) page. I wonder if you could have a look at it, as I'm sure you have some content of your own to add. I hope that we can rid the pae of its current cleaup status tag. I'm not really sure what to do with the second section, I don't quite get the point that whoever wrote it was trying to make. I hope all else is well. Jdorney 22:50, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Siege of Smerwick
Hi, I noticted a comment you made on this on another talk page. Unrelated to that comment, I set out to create a page on the Siege, and when writing the background info, it ended up as an article on the second Desmond Rebellions, with a section on Smerwick. I'm not a historian and I have left some comments on the talk page. Perhaps you could review --Rye1967 06:36, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you have since found my comments and questions on Talk:Second Desmond Rebellion, and yes I think and article on the Siege of Smerwick would be great but I don't have acess to any more info either. Whenever it does get created it will be easy to have it replace the paragraph in the Second R article, so in the meantime, I am making all the other articles point to there.--Rye1967 20:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Re Jdorney, co-operation IS better than un-discussed deletion, which is why I didn't like his blanket revert of my work without giving a reason, so that is why I have reverted his changes on this occasion, something I don't normally do. I have given him an explanation of my reasons, and I will discuss it with him. We may be squaring off!, but I don't engage in revert wars - a waste of energy. I can see that he has made a great contribution to WP
 * I have just now removed one item from the list of battles - the 1581 sack of Smerwick castle. I have been in the area a few times as a youngester and although aware of the fort, have never heard of a castle (although there is a reference to the castle of Feirter in the area). None of the articles mention a battle of 1581 either. --Rye1967 21:35, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I dont agree with your conclusion on the revert, but I will discuss with Jodorney, keep an eye on progress on our talk pages!! Interesting comment on the Azores massacre - as I was reading the Smerwick info, I was thinking that Rezalda (sp?) who was in the Spanish armada and was a Smerwick veteran must have been itching to have a go at the English forces again, it was many of the same guys - a cycle of revenge within a generation, as we have even seen in Northern Ireland. A time of great savagery but I wonder how much of our current-day standards we can apply when judging the behaviour.
 * There isnt (yet) a category of massacres, cause there were others, in other countries and those of Cromwell, and indeed on nearby Dursey Island on the Beara Peninsula --Rye1967 22:16, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

16C
Hi, re pictures, I'm afraid my technical expertise is still non existent. I'm going to have to change a few things on the Old English page, after a talk with El Gringo. I have a problem with the idea of "Norman rule" in Ireland. They may have orignially come from Normandy, but Ireland was annexed by the King of England and the old English settlers below the nobility were generally English.

Re the Desmond articles, to be honest I'm not too happy with cutting the original article to make a cut and paste one. I would prefer if we left the original as it was and then worked on comprehensive one on the second rebellion if people think its necessary. The point for me is that so few people know the history and background involved that it is best to have releatively short and clear articles rather than long and detailed ones. That's what I was going for when I wrote the article in the first place. I realise that I should have discussed this first with Ryle1967 before I reverted anything though.

Jdorney 19:38, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

2 questions
Hi Shtove, Don't know if you've been keeping up with the 2nd Desmond Rebellion article, I've more or less re-written it in the last few days. I have two questions you might be able to help me with.

First, what do you know about the story that Fitzmaurice offered the Kingship of Ireland to the Pope's illegitimate son? It sounds a bit far fetched to me and I can't find any other reference to it. This doesn't mean its not true of course.

Second, the info about 200 Spaniards being massacred near Naas. Likewise, I can't find any mention of this either. I'm mainly using Colm Lennon's 16th century Ireland as a source. I also have some notes from state papers on the final stage of the rebellion from my Florence MacCarthy notes and a couple of journal articles. Anyway, can you confirm that this actually happened, and when and where it happened?

Cheers, Jdorney 15:11, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Good work on the nephew thing. That makes a lot more sense.

Re the Naas question, the only reference to it I can find is in the History of County Kildare article here on wp. I find it rather odd that 200 Spanish soldiers (and I'm not sure Fitzmaurice had that many to start with) marched from Smerwick to Naas in 1579 and stayed there until 1580 when they were massacred. Apart from the lack of references, it just doesn't make sense. Why not stay in Munster in the heartland of the revolt? Would the English have left them alone for a year within 20 miles of Dublin? Doubtful. If they left in July 1580 to help Baltinglass aand O'Byrne, that would be a different story of course.

It does seem though, that there were a load of executions of Palesmen in Naas in 1581, executed for their involvement with Baltinglass. See http://www.catholicapologetics.net/pers_3.htm#Under%20Queen%20Elizabeth. In fact, it seems like there was a lot of Catholic martyrs during the Desmond Rebellions, mostly in the Old English community, something I was only vaguely aware of before. Maybe the article should refelct this?

How do you feel the Second Desmond Rebellion article is looking in general?

Hope you had a good feed incidentally! You do references like this. You have to have a

Charles Blount
1) The term "ruthless" is WP:WEASEL and not in the linked too article. 2) The whole sentence states that the war was ended due to the "ruthless scorched-earth" policy. This is inherently wrong. It played a part but the surrender and defection of O'Neill's allies over the preceeding years amongst other factors such as Kinsale and the Crown's Irish allies played just as big a role in the outcome of the war. 3) The way it is now worded is more than sufficient for an article that is not about the war, leaving the actual article on the war to detail it.

I hope you will not revert it again without actually looking at the detail of what was being said and implied in the article before my initial change.

Kind regards, Mabuska (talk) 11:42, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I note you went ahead and reverted it anyways regardless of the preceding comment which you didn't bother to respond too and with no justifiable reason for your revert. Mabuska (talk) 14:09, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * "undid revision that removed factual description of strategy" - one aspect of his strategy that was given WP:UNDUE weight. I've vastly expanded and improved the section with more details of Mountjoy's campaign in Ulster that involved him. Yes his scorched earth policy was an aspect but it was not the only aspect of his strategy or why O'Neill surrendered. Please try to keep a neutral point of view in such articles. In any regards the mention of his mass burning of crops is still there but in more context.Mabuska (talk) 16:14, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

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Regarding my recent deletion that you reverted on Kekule: "This is likely an example of the exercise of a particular imaginative state, involving homospatial and janusian processes, followed by stepwise logical thinking. "

I do not think that one persons speculation on the reasons behind someone dreaming could be regarded as encyclopedic content. These are somewhat cryptic and tangential to the story so I felt they did not belong. Since you appear to be the author of these edits it is somewhat conflicted of you to revert mine. I am happy to leave it to a third party to decide. NeedsGlasses (talk) 22:15, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Earls of Desmond: numbering (again)
Dear Shtove. I have moved Earl 15 -> 14 and earl 14 -> 13. I found that there was no 13 I saw the numbering in ODNB and just did. I had not seen the discussion on the Gerald FitzGerald tqlk page. Please forgive me for not having discussed this with you before. I will slowly work through the mentions of Gerald FitzGeral, 15th Earl of Desmond. There are 75 of these. Best reqards, Johannes Schade (talk) 21:20, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

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 * Not, not satire. Does your reference to "us" include me? Do what you like. Shtove (talk) 14:45, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

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Koppers Tower

Koppers Building is a historical building in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, commissioned by Andrew W. Mellon and completed in 1929. The building is named after the Koppers Chemical Corporation and is one of the major features of Downtown Pittsburgh.

Overview
Koppers Building was completed in March 1929, and it has 34 floors at a cost of $5.3 million (equivalent to $ million in ). It rises 475 ft above Downtown Pittsburgh. Its address is Grant Street & Seventh Avenue. It is the best example of Art Deco construction and ornamentation in Pittsburgh.

It is constructed with Indiana limestone with a polished granite base and dark copper roof. Inside the Koppers Building the lobby is richly decorated with marble walls. Its copper roof is pitched in a chateau-like design and is illuminated at night. The building was designed by the architectural firm of Graham, Anderson, Probst & White.

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Western New England University

Western New England University is a private university in Springfield, Massachusetts. Academic programs are provided through its College of Arts and Sciences, College of Business, College of Engineering, School of Law, and College of Pharmacy and Health Sciences.

In recognition of its master's and doctoral programs, the institution officially changed its name from Western New England College to Western New England University on July 1, 2011. This marked the return of "university" to the school's name, exactly 60 years after separating from Northeastern University. It had long been classified as a university.

History
The Springfield Division of Northeastern College, known as Springfield-Northeastern, was established in 1919. Evening classes, held in the YMCA building on Chestnut Street in Springfield for students studying part-time, were offered in law, business, and accounting. In 1922, the school's first 13 students were awarded the degree of Bachelor of Commercial Science. The first seven law graduates were recognized in 1923.

In 1951 the Springfield Division of Northeastern University became Western New England College. The college was chartered on July 17, 1951. On April 26, 1956, 34 acre for the current Wilbraham Road campus were purchased. In that same year the first day program was started; it was in engineering, with 53 students enrolled. The first building, originally known as East Building and later renamed Emerson Hall in recognition of the college's first trustee chairman, opened in 1959.

The college's charter was expanded in 1959 to permit the college to grant the bachelor's degree in any field of business administration, science, engineering, education, and law, and certain master's degrees. The charter was expanded in 2005 to include the LL.M. in Estate Planning and Elder Law, and again in 2008 with the inclusion of the Ph.D. in Behavior Analysis.

The School of Arts and Sciences was established in 1967, and the college received accreditation as a general purpose institution in 1972.

The 1960s through the 1990s saw the college's academic programs expanding, its student body growing, and the addition of a number of buildings, including the D’Amour Library, the Blake Law Center, the St. Germain Campus Center, the Alumni Healthful Living Center, and the LaRiviere Living and Learning Center. In 2001, the Evergreen Village townhouses opened for seniors. The Kevin S. Delbridge Welcome Center, which houses the admissions offices, opened in 2002. In 2003, Commonwealth Hall and the Golden Bear Stadium opened. The George Trelease Memorial Baseball Park was completed in 2004. In 2006, the $1.9 million expansion to the D’Amour Library was completed. In 2008 and 2009, respectively, the college expanded and renovated the Blake Law Center and built Southwood Hall. In 2010, the $40 million Center for the Sciences and Pharmacy was completed. Herman Hall underwent an $8 million renovation in 2012.

The university's 215 acre campus serves as home to undergraduate, graduate, doctoral, pharmaceutical, and law students from throughout the United States and abroad. Undergraduate and graduate programs are offered in the Colleges of Arts and Sciences, Business, Engineering, Pharmacy, and at the School of Law. In 2010, the College of Pharmacy was established, and the institution was granted a change to its charter that permits it to offer the degree of Doctor of Pharmacy. Western New England University has 45,000 alumni around the world.

On July 1, 2011, Western New England College officially became Western New England University. The Massachusetts Board of Higher Education approved the name change in March 2011. The Schools of Arts and Sciences, Business, Engineering, and Pharmacy became the Colleges of Arts and Sciences, Business, Engineering, and Pharmacy. The School of Law retained its name.

Affiliations
Western New England University is accredited by the New England Commission of Higher Education. Business programs are accredited by the Association to Advance Collegiate Schools of Business, engineering programs are accredited by the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology, and social work programs are accredited by the Council on Social Work Education. The School of Law is accredited by the American Bar Association and is a member of the Association of American Law Schools. Teacher education programs have been approved by the Massachusetts Board of Education and are part of the Interstate Certification Compact. Western New England University is also a member of the Association of American Colleges, the National Association of Independent Colleges and Universities, and the Association of Independent Colleges and Universities of Massachusetts.

Student life
For the 2021–2022 academic year, enrollment at Western New England University was 3,674 students. Full-time undergraduate enrollment totaled 2,522 students; approximately 58 percent are male students and 42 percent female. Law enrollment was 395 students, and part-time undergraduate, graduate studies and adult learners, pharmacy, and occupational therapy enrollment totaled 731.

Alumni
Western New England University has 43,000 alumni who live and work around the world. The Western New England University School of Law has more than 7,000 alumni, while the MBA and MSA programs have nearly 6,000 alumni. The general University alumni magazine used to be called The Communicator. The School of Law alumni magazine is called Perspectives. A new magazine launched in 2019 called WNE: The Magazine of Western New England University.

Notable alumni

 * John Joseph Bell, Air Force officer and member of the Virginia House of Delegates
 * Nicholas Boldyga - member of the Massachusetts House of Representatives (served 2011–present)
 * Thomas G. Bowman JD - American political aide and retired Marine Corps Colonel who served as the United States Deputy Secretary of Veterans Affairs from August 10, 2017, to June 15, 2018
 * Stephen Buoniconti JD'95 - former member of the Massachusetts Senate (served 2005–2011) and former member of the Massachusetts House of Representatives (served 2001 - 2004).
 * Lawrence F. Cafero JD'81 - member of Connecticut House of Representatives and Republican House Leader.
 * Gale D. Candaras JD'82 - member of the Massachusetts Senate (served 2007–present) and former member of the Massachusetts House of Representatives (served 1996 - 2006).
 * Michael A. Christ JD'02 - former Deputy Majority Leader of Connecticut House of Representatives.
 * Cheryl A. Coakley-Rivera JD'95, member of the Massachusetts House of Representatives (served 1999–present).
 * Michael Charles Green JD'86 - District Attorney for Monroe County, New York
 * Curt Hawkins - WWE Wrestler (Did not graduate)
 * Anthony Katagas - Academy Award-winning producer of 12 Years A Slave.
 * Daniel F. Keenan JD - former member of the Massachusetts House of Representatives (served 1995–2007)
 * John Kissel JD'84 - member of the Connecticut State Senate.
 * Michael Mori JD'94 - U.S. Marine Corps lawyer.
 * Thomas S. Moorman Jr. MBA'72 - served as Vice Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force.
 * Tim Murray JD'94 - former Lieutenant Governor of Massachusetts and former Mayor of Worcester, Massachusetts.
 * Larry O'Brien '42 - Chairman of the Democratic National Committee during the Watergate break-in, former National Basketball Association Commissioner, and former U.S. Postmaster General (then a Cabinet position). O'Brien was campaign manager for John F. Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, Hubert Humphrey, George McGovern, and Foster Furcolo. Namesake of the Smithsonian Institution's O'Brien Gallery in Washington, DC and the Lawrence O'Brien Award.
 * Thomas Petrolati - member of the Massachusetts House of Representatives (served 1987–present)
 * Angelo Puppolo JD'01 - member of the Massachusetts House of Representatives (served 2007–present) and former City Councilor in the city of Springfield, Massachusetts
 * Joseph Rallo JD'76 - president of Angelo State University.
 * Regina Rush-Kittle MS'97 - past deputy commissioner, Connecticut State Division of Emergency Management and Homeland Security
 * Rodney Smith - bronze medal winner in the 68-kg division of the Greco-Roman wrestling competition at the 1992 Olympic Games and also competed in the 1996 Olympic Games
 * Thomas L. Stevenson JD'77 - former member of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives (served 1997–2006)
 * John E. Sweeney JD'91 - former member of the U.S. House of Representatives from upstate New York and noted conservative legislator
 * Tommy Tallarico - video game music composer and musician
 * Joseph Wagner - former member of the Massachusetts House of Representatives (served 1991 – 2023)

Notable faculty and staff

 * Pearl Abraham - assistant professor of English and an American novelist, essayist, and short story writer who has written four novels: The Romance Reader, Giving Up America, The Seventh Beggar, and American Taliban
 * Anthony S. Caprio - president emeritus of Western New England University and a French language scholar
 * Charles Clason - former dean of the School of Law, former member of the House of Representatives from Massachusetts from 1937 to 1949, and namesake of the School of Law's Clason Speaker Series
 * Julie Croteau - former baseball assistant coach after she was the first woman to play men's NCAA baseball at St. Mary's College of Maryland
 * Stephen Danbusky - former men's soccer assistant coach and former professional soccer player
 * Jean Marie Higiro - associate professor of communication and former director of the Rwandan Information Office (ORINFOR), a government corporation that run Radio Rwanda, Rwandan Television and state controlled media in the Republic of Rwanda
 * Tom Hull - associate professor of mathematics and expert in the mathematics of paper folding
 * Chris Iijima - former professor and Asian American folksinger, educator and legal scholar
 * Linda Jones - professor of materials science and engineering
 * Barbara Lenk - trustee and associate justice of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court
 * Joan Mahoney - former dean of the School of Law and former dean of Wayne State University Law School
 * Michael Meeropol - former economics professor, eldest son of Ethel and Julius Rosenberg, and the author of SURRENDER: How the Clinton Administration Completed the Reagan Revolution
 * Robert Meeropol former anthropology professor from 1971 to 1973 and son of Ethel and Julius Rosenberg
 * Richard Muhlberger - former professor of art history, former vice-director of New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art, and an American art critic. Also author of numerous art titles including:  What makes a Rembrandt a Rembrandt?, What makes a Raphael a Raphael?, What makes a Bruegel a Bruegel?, What makes a Degas a Degas?, Bible in Art: The Old Testament, Bible in Art: The New Testament, and Charles Webster Hawthorne: Paintings and Watercolors.
 * Anibál Nieves - former head wrestling coach and wrestler representing Puerto Rico in the 1992 and 1996 Olympics and two-time silver medalist at the Pan American Games

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Sydenham, New South Wales

Sydenham is a suburb in the Inner West of Sydney, in the state of New South Wales, Australia. Sydenham is located 8 kilometres south of Sydney central business district and is part of the local government area of Inner West Council. Sydenham is surrounded by the suburbs of Marrickville, St Peters and Tempe.

History
Sydenham developed after the Illawarra railway line came through the area to Hurstville in the late 1800s. It was named after Sydenham, a suburb of London, for their similarities in their close proximity to the city and a railway junction. The station was originally known as Marrickville when it opened on 15 October 1884. It was changed to Sydenham on 19 March 1895 when a new line was being built to Bankstown and the first station was to be called Marrickville. The post office opened in April 1899 as Tempe Park and was only renamed Sydenham in 1964.

Marrickville Council proposed the Sydenham Creative Hub—a commercial area of bars, cafes and galleries—near Sydenham Station sometime after 2011. On 12 December 2017, the Inner West Council voted to shrink the proposed precinct to an area immediately adjacent to the Station only.

Sydenham has a number of heritage-listed sites, including Sydenham railway station.

Population
In the 2016 Census, there were 1,145 people in Sydenham. 51.9% of people were born in Australia and 51.0% of people only spoke English at home. The most common responses for religion were No Religion, 35.6%, Catholic 20.1%, Buddhism 11.9%, Not stated 9.3% and Eastern Orthodox 6.7%.

Transport
Sydenham railway station is a junction for three lines on the Sydney Trains network: the Illawarra, Airport & South and Bankstown lines, and contains a Sydney Metro line under construction as of 2023.

Former tram/light rail service
A cross country line connected the Cooks River Line and the Dulwich Hill line via Sydenham, operating along Railway Road and Sydenham Road in Sydenham.

Features
Sydenham is a small suburb extending southeast from the railway station to the Princes Highway. It has a mixture of residential and industrial developments. A small group of shops is located around the intersection of Unwins Bridge Road and Railway Road, close to Sydenham railway station. In the adjacent suburb of Marrickville, commercial developments are also located along Sydenham and Marrickville Roads close to the border with Sydenham. Marrickville Metro Shopping Centre is also very close to Sydenham.

Sydenham Green
Sydenham is directly under the flight path of Sydney Airport. To deal with noise complaints from residential properties between Unwins Bridge Road and the Princes Highway, the government compulsory acquired these properties and converted them into a recreational park. The park occupies a large portion of the small suburb. Sydenham Green is located on either side of Railway Road, named after the park of the same name in Sydenham, London. Two heritage buildings along Railway Road were retained, a sandstone terrace house and St Marys Church (which was later controversially demolished after a suspicious fire. ) In the park, a series of oversized 'living room' sculptures – lamp, chairs and fireplace pays homage to the residential houses that formerly occupied the site.

Schools and Churches
Schools close to Sydenham are St Pius Catholic School, Enmore Road - Near Marrickville Metro, Tempe High School (Sydney) and Tempe Public School. St Mary's Church was the first Coptic Church outside of Egypt, but was demolished in 2017.

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Abe Schwartz

Abe Schwartz (Yiddish: אבּ שװארץ or אייב שווארץ) (1881 near Bucharest, Romania – 1963 in Bronx, New York City) was an American klezmer violinist, composer, Yiddish theater and ethnic recordings bandleader from the 1910s to the 1940s. In his various orchestras, he recorded many of the leading klezmer musicians of the early twentieth century, including Naftule Brandwein and Dave Tarras.

Biography
Schwartz was born outside of Bucharest, Romania on April 15, 1881. In immigration documents he gave his birthplace as "Mihaleni" (Mihăileni). It is unclear what musical education he received there, but according to klezmer researcher Henry Sapoznik, his father was a tinsmith who tried to discourage Abe from becoming a musician. Schwartz emigrated to the United States with his parents sometime between 1900 and 1902. In the US he eventually married his wife Rose and had a son Louis, as well as four daughters: Mary, Ida, Bebe, and Sylvia, who recorded a few times accompanying her father on the piano.

In the 1900s and 1910s he worked as a dance band leader in the New York City area. He was among a cohort of Romanian-born klezmer bandleaders that included Max Leibowitz, Abe Katzman, and Milu Lemisch. During the First World War he gave his place of employment as musician at the Little Bessarabia Restaurant on East Houston Street. At some point he met David Nodiff, Artists and repertoire (A&R) man for Columbia Records. In 1917 Nodiff hired Schwartz to organize instrumental performances of ethnic music for the label as well as to seek out new Jewish talent for future recordings. Among these discoveries were Naftule Brandwein, the "king of klezmer clarinet", who could be heard playing clarinet on some of Schwartz's recordings around 1920, before he formed his own orchestra at the competing Victor Records. As Jeffrey Wollock put it, "an independent contractor for Columbia's East European (and possibly other ethnic) records, [...] it was Schwartz's job to put bands together." Wollock continues: "Schwartz was a "house conductor" in the foreign department, and his bands consisted of whomever he hired for the session. Since he often did without written arrangements, relying on his players to "know what to do," the playing on most of his band recordings is vernacular, spontaneous, and somewhat ramshackle."

By 1919 Schwartz published his first song "Dos Zekele mit Koilen" and recorded it with Yiddish language singer Abraham Moskowitz, marking Schwartz's entry into the world of Yiddish theater music. In that year he also recorded a number of non-Jewish recordings under pseudonyms such as Orkiestra Wiejska and Russky Narodny Orkestr.

In 1920, in preparation to record another round of klezmer tunes, he copyrighted roughly 35 pieces, which are viewable through the Library of Congress today.

His most famous tune, which is still performed today, was Di Grine Kuzine (the Green cousin). The song was so successful that it spawned a number of imitator in the world of published scores, such as Hyman Prizant's Mayn Kuzine and Jacob Leiserowitz's Di Grine Kuizine. It was also recorded by several artists, including Abraham Moskowitz, Joseph Feldman and Morris Goldstein. The success of the song compelled Schwartz to write and publish a number of other Yiddish theater songs.

In 1923, when Naftule Brandwein left his orchestra to start his own at a competing label, clarinet player Schloimke (Sam) Beckerman replaced him Schwartz's orchestra. In 1927, he helped put together another ensemble, the Boiberiker Kapelye, which performed on the radio and on records for five years, and which included such soloists as Dave Tarras, Alex Fiedel, and Berish Katz.

Schwartz continued to record and compose through the 1930s, slowing down somewhat by the 1940s. His 1941 recording Ikh bin a Boarder bay mayn vayb was a notable success of his later career. He was still able to get regular and well-paying gigs playing klezmer music in the late 1940s, as reported by Marty Levitt who played with Schwartz in 1949. To him, Schwartz was just an elderly violinist, but many of the audience had followed his career since the 1920s and saw him as "an icon, a cult figure".

In the 1950s he retired from the music industry.

Schwartz died in the Morrisania Hospital in the Bronx at age 75 on May 7, 1963.

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Ali Velshi

Ali Velshi (born October 29, 1968, or 1969) is a Canadian television journalist, a senior economic and business correspondent for NBC News, and an anchor for MSNBC. He is also a substitute anchor for The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC on Friday night. Velshi is based in New York City. Known for his work on CNN, he was CNN's Chief Business Correspondent, anchor of CNN's Your Money and a co-host of CNN International's weekday business show World Business Today. In 2013, he joined Al Jazeera America, a channel that launched in August of that year. He hosted Ali Velshi on Target until Al Jazeera America ceased operations on April 12, 2016. He has worked for MSNBC since October 2016.

Personal life
Velshi's family comes from India, but in 1961 they moved to Kenya. Velshi was born in Nairobi, Kenya, and raised in Toronto, Ontario, after moving there in 1971. He is an Ismaili Muslim of Gujarati Indian descent. He is the son of Murad Velshi, the first Canadian of Indian origin elected to the Legislative Assembly of Ontario, and the son of Murad's wife, Mila, also Indian, who grew up in South Africa. Velshi's parents operated a bakery in South Africa, but moved to Kenya in 1960, when Apartheid became oppressive. In Toronto, Velshi's parents operate a chain of travel agencies.

Velshi attended Toronto's Northern Secondary School, where he was elected school president. He then earned a degree in religious studies from Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario, in 1994. During his time at Queen's he made news by organizing protests against Preston Manning and Canada's Reform Party. In 2010, he was awarded the Queen's University Alumni Achievement Award. In 2016, he was awarded an honorary doctorate of laws by his alma mater.

Velshi was married briefly in his twenties. In 2009, he married his second wife, New York–born hedge fund manager Lori Wachs, the president of Philadelphia-based Cross Ledge Investments, whom he met when she was a guest on his show. The couple have one child together, a daughter. Velshi divides his time between an apartment in New York City and his home in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania.

Career
In 1996, Velshi was awarded a fellowship to the United States Congress from the American Political Science Association. In this capacity he worked with Lee H. Hamilton, then a Democratic Representative from Indiana.

Television
In Toronto, Velshi began his professional reporting career as a General Assignment reporter for CFTO. He later became a business reporter and anchor for CablePulse 24 and its then sister station CityTV. In 1999, he joined Report on Business Television, (now BNN Bloomberg - Business News Network) Canada's first all-business news specialty channel. Velshi hosted The Business News, Canada's first prime-time business news hour.

CNN
Velshi moved to the U.S. in September 2001, joining business news channel CNNfn in New York City. He anchored several shows, including Insights, Business Unusual, Street Sweep, and Your Money, and co-hosted The Money Gang with Pat Kiernan before the network closed down in December 2004. Reassigned to the main CNN network, he remained a business anchor and reporter posted initially to CNN's early-morning program Daybreak. In 2005, Velshi hosted 13 hour-long episodes of The Turnaround, a reality television show, during which he traveled across America introducing small business owners who were facing challenges or seeking to grow their businesses to high-profile mentors who helped the small business owners develop a plan for success. After The Turnaround, Velshi was assigned to the newly launched The Situation Room from 2005 to 2006. Velshi joined American Morning as business correspondent in late 2006 and then again as co-anchor in 2011. In 2008, Velshi undertook a cross-country road trip aboard the CNN Election Express, during which he travelled from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, to Los Angeles, California, stopping along the way to discuss money issues with Americans. Velshi also spent 10 days riding the CNN Election Express through rural Texas before that state's March 4, 2008, primaries.

Velshi regularly was a substitute anchor for CNN/U.S. programs such as American Morning. On Saturday and Sunday he co-hosted a business program called Your Money. Velshi also hosted CNN's Energy Hunt, which took him to the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and to the Oil Sands of Canada in 2008. Tragic events during 2008 brought Velshi more airtime, including reporting from the now-destroyed Marriott Hotel in Islamabad, Pakistan, after the killing of Benazir Bhutto. During coverage of Hurricanes Gustav and Ike, Velshi appeared on air, on location from hurricane-stricken areas, as the storms hit. Velshi's hurricane reporting started in 2005 during Katrina, about which he reported live during the evacuation of an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico and then from damaged oil facilities in Eastern Texas and Southern Louisiana.

During the financial crisis of 2007–2008, Velshi again appeared on television frequently throughout the day on shows like American Morning and Anderson Cooper 360° and took viewers' live calls during special editions of Your Money and during his weekly call-in radio show. Until leaving CNN, Velshi co-hosted the market opening edition of World Business Today on CNN International.

Being Muslim, Velshi regularly acknowledges his background and perspective when discussions involve Islam. Velshi has strongly defended the Muslim community's right to build a mosque and Islamic center (Park51) near Ground Zero in New York City. Velshi has also been critical of Peter King's hearings on Islamic radicalization in the United States as a form of Islamophobia, branding King as "naive". Velshi supports the separation of mosque and state and rejects "Political Islam", which requires the implementation of Sharia law.

Al Jazeera America
On April 4, 2013, it was announced that Velshi would be leaving CNN to join Al Jazeera America to host a weekly 30-minute magazine-style prime-time program called Real Money with Ali Velshi. He was the first on-air personality to be hired for the new channel. The channel stated that it hoped that Velshi's show would initially start off as a weekly show and become a daily show by the end of the year. Real Money with Ali Velshi launched on August 20, 2013, as a daily weekday show. On May 12, 2015, the show relaunched as Ali Velshi on Target. This show ended in April 2016 when Al Jazeera America shut down.

MSNBC and NBC
Velshi joined MSNBC in October 2016, with additional duties at MSNBC's parent news division, NBC News, for which he serves as Business Correspondent.

Velshi initially co-anchored the 1:00 pm ET MSNBC news program Velshi & Ruhle with Stephanie Ruhle, as well as having his own 3:00 PM ET news program MSNBC Live with Ali Velshi. Velshi was also appointed as the fill-in host of The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell on Friday edition.

However, in December 2019, Velshi was moved to weekend mornings with his own show called Velshi, a 2-hour solo act. He continues to substitute for other hosts in the weekday evening lineups.

Writings
Velshi is represented by the New York literary agency N.S. Bienstock and by speaking agency Greater Talent Network. His first book, Gimme My Money Back: Your Guide to Beating the Financial Crisis, was published on January 2, 2009. His second book, How to Speak Money: The Language & Knowledge You Need Now, co-authored by longtime friend and co-anchor Christine Romans, was released by John Wiley & Sons in November 2011. Velshi has written monthly columns for both Money and Delta Sky magazine.

Awards and recognition
In 2010, Velshi was awarded the Queen's University Alumni Achievement Award; the highest award given to Queen's University alumni. Also in 2010, Velshi's in-depth reporting for CNN's "How the Wheels Came Off" about the near collapse of the U.S. Auto Industry was honored with a National Headliner Award for Business & Consumer Reporting. Velshi anchored CNN's global breaking news coverage of an attempted terror attack on a Delta flight into Detroit on Christmas Day 2009, for which CNN was nominated for a 2010 Emmy award. Velshi was nominated for two additional News & Documentary Emmy awards in 2015 for his contributions at Al Jazeera, including coverage of low wages paid to disabled American workers and a scandal involving red-light cameras in Chicago. In 2017, Velshi was named an honorary "Canada 150" Ambassador to help promote activities and events marking the 150th anniversary of Canada's Confederation. Velshi was named a Poynter Fellow in Journalism at Yale University and accordingly participated in a conversation with students, faculty, and members of the community at Yale University's Jonathan Edwards College in 2017. Also in 2017, Velshi delivered a TEDx talk entitled "How Fake News Grows in a Post Fact World."

Honors

 * Honorary degrees

In popular culture
Referencing Velshi's signature bald pate, the comedian Jon Stewart has referred to Velshi as the "Hairless Prophet of Doom" on The Daily Show, —the "H-POD" moniker is now frequently repeated by others.

Stephen Colbert referred to Velshi as "CNN's business reporter from our hairless, raceless future" on an episode of The Colbert Report wherein he discussed the 2007–2008 financial crisis.

In addition to appearing on The Daily Show, Velshi appeared on The Oprah Winfrey Show on October 3, 2008, during the global financial crisis and on The View on February 4, 2009, after the launch of his first book on the crisis.

Velshi played himself in the 2010 Oliver Stone film Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps.

During the recurring intro segment of season 7 of Homeland at the 30 second-mark, there is an audio clip of Velshi saying, "...the mood of the country. It's not great...". This audio clip was taken from the August 30, 2017, edition of MSNBC's The 11th Hour when Velshi was a guest host. His full transcript was: "A new Fox News poll gives us an even closer look at the mood of the country. It's not great."

Memberships and non-profit work
Velshi is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, the Economic Club of New York, the New York Financial Writers Association, The Paley Center for Media, a member of the Board of Trustees of the Chicago History Museum, a member of the Board of Trustees of Seeds of Peace, and a member of the Grand Challenges Advisory Committee of the National Academy of Engineering. He is also on the Board of Trustees of the X Prize Foundation, which is a non-profit organization that designs and manages public competitions intended to encourage technological development that could benefit humanity.

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Talk:Fernando Sor

Jonesville05 (talk) 14:31, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

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Just FYI, Fernando Sor in Catalan is Ferran Sor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.32.59.37 (talk) 18:29, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Changes
A list of changes I'm thinking about making: Thoughts, suggestions, comments?  Jujutacular  T · C 16:26, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Rewrite the biography section. The current section cites "Cecilia Ruiz de Ríos, Nicaraguan historian", but I was unable to find where it actually came from. I would use an entry found in this book, and integrate other sources where possible.
 * Integrate the quotes section into the biography and works section. Currently, this section is a bit unwieldy.
 * Remove the majority of the external links, as WP:ELPOINTS says the external links section should be kept to a minimum.

 * It is so much better now.--Karljoos (talk) 17:35, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Good changes. But please don't go and remove all the external links - there are some good resources there for guitarists (esp. scores!) Other than the "Wolf Moser"-book I would not remove anything. MySorAccount (talk) 06:00, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll keep those thoughts in mind, thank you for the feedback.  Jujutacular  T · C 07:47, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

 * The subject painting is highly unlikely to be Sor so I have removed the claim. The painting is pleasant enough but as the player depicted is in a posture that is outrightly condemned by Sor in his Methode I question if it is appropriate for inclusion in this particular article. Nor am I aware that Sor had siblings residing in France. I have made enquiries of Bridgeman Art Gallery for evidence in support of their claim, I await their reply. I doubt if it will amount to more than that Sor was contemporary and resided in France, which would hardly be convincing. RichardJ Christie (talk) 23:54, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I understand about the posture. I agree Sor definitely would not have posed that way. However, I wouldn't say it's out of the question that the painter simply painted it how he wanted. As for the other person, I was assuming that it was his son (complete guess, I haven't even found a source saying he had a son). The guitarist in the painting certainly does resemble the other portrait of Sor. At any rate, I understand your hesitance to include the painting in this article. If Bridgeman Art gets back to you, let me know. If not, I would condone removal of the image.  Jujutacular  T · C 07:47, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I have tried my best to get a good biography started. Most of my information is from the Brian Jeffry book, and some is from a couple of more articles. There certainly can be more information added, especially in the second section about Sor's trip to Moscow, his time in England, and some specific, important compositions Sor wrote while he was in each place. I divided Sor's life into these two stages from advice given in the Moser article, that the French invasion and his consequent banishment constituted a major shift in Sor's life, at about its halfway point. I also wanted to include some sort of Bibliography, and because it seemed to be more or less the same thing as the "Historical sources," I changed this to "Bibliography" and added some new sections. There is certainly room for more sources here, I am just hoping to get it started.--Ioismo (talk) 00:44, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

This article is incomplete, covering only Sor's guitar work. He composed operas as well. One was performed in 1797-98, later lost, only rediscovered in the 20th century, and given a performance that was recorded in about 1999, I think. The opera was about Telemachus and Calypso. This opera is written up in Wikipedia, and either someone should write a complete biography of Sor or at least his other works (if any) that are featured in Wikip[edia should have links to the article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telemaco_nell%27isola_di_Calipso 131.243.223.113 (talk) 03:56, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

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Composer project review
I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. The article has enough information to be B-class; it is primarily lacking more about his personal life (or documented evidence that such information is likely unavailable), and reception of his music by critics, peers, and public. The full review is on the comments page; questions or comments can be left here or on my talk page.  Magic ♪piano 02:46, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Adventures of Don Quixote
I'm trying to sort out the story of who was commissioned to write songs for Feodor Chaliapin to sing in Adventures of Don Quixote (1932). The usual version is that Maurice Ravel and Jacques Ibert were the only serious contenders. But the talk page goes into some detail of various theories, including one that de Falla, Marcel Delannoy and Darius Milhaud were also commissioned; yet I can find no evidence that these 3 ever started work on their commissions, so it may be that they were considered but never formally commissioned. Any clarification of this would be welcome. -- JackofOz (talk) 23:07, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Go to the YouTube page for the film and choose "Show More". This seems like the most detailed description of what happened but Jacques Ibert ultimately wrote the music:

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Lorca
No mention to his sexual orientation and his relation with Garcia Lorca? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.222 (talk) 23:21, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

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