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User talk:Amcaja/Archive1

Welcomes and kudos
Hello there, welcome to the 'pedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you need pointers on how we title pages visit Naming conventions or how to format them visit our manual of style. If you have any other questions about the project then check out Help or add a question to the Village pump. Cheers! --maveric149

Welcome! It' looks like you're making good contributions about classic animation! Cheers, -- Infrogmation 03:46 Mar 19, 2003 (UTC)

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Hi there. Nice work expanding Daffy Duck etc. :-) -- Tarquin 09:45 Mar 20, 2003 (UTC)

You sign like this: ~ ~ ~ (without the spaces) LittleDan

Hi Brian! Great work so far. Re: Magical girls/Magical girl -- don't worry too much about naming conventions. After you've been here a while, they'll become second nature to you. Until then, someone will (almost) always help you by changing the titles. -- Stephen Gilbert 17:51 Mar 24, 2003 (UTC)

I just wanted to give you kudos on your Flapper article and other contributions. Keep up the great work! -- Infrogmation 00:46 Mar 30, 2003 (UTC)
 * Thank you much! I'm glad to see folks are enjoying my contributions. This is an addictive place to be! Amcaja 00:49 Mar 30, 2003 (UTC)

Crusader Rabbit
While contemplating a List of Fictional Lagomorphs, I remembered Crusader Rabbit. Anything you can add to him?  -- Someone else 01:12 Mar 28, 2003 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I'd never heard of the character until you mentioned him. My animation books don't have much more on him than his current Wikipedia entry, anyway. Amcaja 01:45 Mar 28, 2003 (UTC)

 * Oh, well, worth a try. If only there were public domain images of animation characters, but I guess that's not going to happen soon. -- Someone else 01:47 Mar 28, 2003 (UTC)

 * Nice article on Crusader Rabbit at http://www.toontracker.com/crusader/crusader.htm, and some cool pictures at http://www.toontracker.com/crusader/crusapix.htm -- Zoe

Felix article
Are you sure you didn't copy that Felix the Cat article? LittleDan
 * I tried a couple of phrases in google and didn't get any hits. Does that look like some book you're familiar with, Little Dan? That of course wouldn't be allowed for copyright reasons. If those are original work, they look very nice. -- Infrogmation
 * Hi, guys. Everything I've contributed has been original work. Felix' sources were The History of Animation by Charles Solomon and some webpages I consulted.

Thought you might want to sneak a peek at your baby. It's grown up quite a bit. :^) I've been working on ol' Felix and I just put it up as a featured article nomination. - Lucky 6.9 22:40, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Good work. I've gone through and copy edited everything that people have added in the flurry. Take a look; I think it's in the best shape it's ever been in. Amcaja 10:13, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * the vidcap wasn't taken in 1936, right? - I had a mental note to make the same change (the trouble with mental notes is that they aren't worth the paper they are written on). Looking at the following vidcap screen, there is a copyright date which is difficult to read but looks like it might be MCMLIX or 1959. -- Solipsist 15:23, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Wow, I hadn't seen that! The article stated that the character was dumbed down (my words, not the article's) when he went to color and the picture was listed as being Technicolor.  The style is very 1930s compared to the TV show.  Only other thing I can think of is a renewal of copyright, because I'm sure I never saw such a well-detailed Felix playing a lute on TV.  :^)  BTW, the article really does look great.  Keep your fingers crossed there in Cameroon, Brian! - Lucky 6.9 01:19, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
 * Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
 * Multi-Licensing Guide
 * Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the " " template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

 * Option 1
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR
 * Option 2
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions to any U.S. state, county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace " " with "  ". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

Impressed

Hi Brian,

I just want to say that I'm impressed by the articles you list under 'African stuff' on your user page. I think I came across Maka-Njem or Bamileke when I was checking out some Bantu languages; and the quality and length of the article surprised me, as articles like this are very rare in this area of Wikipedia. So I give you this Sunflower of Thanks for contributing content of exceptional high quality. Are you aware of Wikiproject Countering Systemic Bias? Because you're doing just that. Keep up the good work!

On a sidenote, I've placed the excellent Adamawa Province on Peer Review and after that I intend to nominate it at Featured Article Candidates. Kind regards,  — mark ✎ 01:52, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Daffy Dumas Duck
I did some checking and found that name was used exactly once, in "The Scarlet Pumpernickel" (1950). It's the name Daffy puts on a script he is trying to sell to the studio. The script is a takeoff on the novel "The Scarlet Pimpernel" by Baroness Emmuska Orczy. Alexandre Dumas was the author of "The Three Musketeers", "The Man in the Iron Mask", "The Count of Monte Cristo" and other tales contemporary with the Scarlet Pimpernel's time frame. It is reasonable to assume that this was just a joke (possibly a sly double-meaning joke, given the track record of the "Termite Terrace" guys, who brought us geographical names like "Bear Butte") and I'm guessing that some "ignoranimous", as Bugsy would say, took it literally. As a result, there are several Google references to "Daffy Dumas Duck" that imply that was his real name somehow. Wahkeenah 18:19, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Charlie Dog nonsense
The old Charlie Dog cartoons which had to do nothing with "disco" in the 1940s and 50s, but it did not exist in those decades, the genre began in the 1970s, but my family (or my parents) got this all wrong mistaking Charlie for a singer, and tried to warn me not to watch his shows. He did not host his own shows and I am sure that WB denies the claims.

This situation has gotten stupid. (unsigned by User:65.54.98.143)

 * You're telling me. Amcaja 20:12, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yes! But, do you know any such 1970s cartoon series like that?

See User:Jeff schiller? Talk:Disco Dog featuring Charlie User:Ezhiki

Sun Jun 26 (CST)

 * Nope. I think the whole "Disco Dog" thing is either one user's vandalism or else his delusion. Amcaja 30 June 2005 13:40 (UTC)

But, I saw him on television, in only the "Pup Named Charlie" show between 1987 and 1990, I don't remember what was the show about, and but it has been a long time. Because you deny these spinoff series that were on TV don't make any sense to me, COME ON, put these titles of the "spinoffs" back on there. You can find it on Google. (unsigned by user User:65.54.154.48)

 * You are either thinking of A Pup Named Scooby-Doo or you are just being a nuissance. Please do not edit my talk page again unless you can provide proof of these phantom television series. Amcaja 7 July 2005 12:23 (UTC)

That was about 12:23 (I think, that is London Time, in the afternoon,) when that was 6:23 in the morning, my time. Right now it is almost 7 or 8 hours, he seems to be no longer responding. Could he have had been living in London, England, during the time of the tragedy? (unsigned by User:65.54.155.15)

 * Brian. Sorry, I haven't been keeping up with my wiki edits in the last half year.  The Charlie Dog Vandal has also come to my talk page under 4.160.219.227 and others if you check that page's history.  For the most part, I'm just trying to ignore it as the person rarely seems to make sense to me.  Jeff schiller 8 July 2005 05:34 (UTC)

It's not nonsense. I already have a pitcure of "Disco Dog", including Charlie/Scooby cartoons, but all printed from the computer, it's too late. Cartoon Network, along others seem to deny there's a 1970s cartoon series on television, would be thinking that I am crazy or a liar? How about the BBC and other English television networks, they don't know if this can be verified, and I am not "vandalizing" your talk page-

Also, I could turn this over to authorities.

Unsigned by User:65.54.98.102

The Cartoon Vandal
Brian, it's obvious that you're dealing with a long-time problem user dubbed "The Cartoon Vandal", who occasionally pops up and makes nonsensical hoax edits to cartoon and animation articles. Ignore him, revert him, report him as a vandal. --Calton | Talk 14:18, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, no one wanted to delete the "hoax" edit in the Scooby page in the Spin-off TV series after two days, it looks like Amcaja and Jeff Schiller could be banned from Wikipedia. I was being reported, and banned, but not this week, but Wikipedia it looks like it will ban users, and protect bogus edits. Unsigned by User:65.54.154.113

Back?
I see you're fairly active these days. Are you back from Cameroon? In that case, welcome back, and keep up the good work! — mark ✎ 14:35, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Got back this past Saturday. Right now, I'm still adjusting to the reverse culture shock, but I hope to begin writing new articles soon. Thanks for the welcome back! Amcaja 18:23, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Re: The Three Bears.

 * Rogers played Joonyer in the first short according to http://home.wi.rr.com/tatay/cartoons/bearsfilms.html and others

He Did? I didn't know that. Freberg said that he did in a number of Looney Tunes documentaries I've seen, talking about how he was eighteen when he started (whcich would have been 1944). I don't dispute your facts, I'm saying that Freberg is an exaggerationist and I didn't know it. Thanks for the correction. --FuriousFreddy 13:35, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, all I have as a source at hand are various websites. The Three Bears (Looney Tunes) article does mention Freberg as the voice of Junior for the other Three Bears cartoons (just not the first one). I bet that this far down the line he may have forgotten that he wasn't the voice in all of them. :) Amcaja 20:09, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Baka Pygmy categorisation
Hi Brian. I would like to reinstate the Category:Indigenous peoples of Central Africa to the Baka pygmy article, which I note you had replaced with other "ethnic group" categories. The different category schemes need not be in conflict. Please see Category talk:Indigenous peoples for some exposition on the rationale behind the indigenous category schema, and let me know if you've any further objection. Cheers. --cjllw | TALK  2005 June 30 08:35 (UTC)

 * Okay, I see your point; the two categories are not in conflict, so feel free to reinstate it. This does seem potentially problematic, however; should the same category be applied to all articles on Cameroon's ethnic groups? And since Cameroon is also considered part of West Africa, should Category:Indigenous peoples of West Africa be applied as well? Amcaja 30 June 2005 12:31 (UTC)

Thanks Brian. No, not all ethnic groups of Cameroon (or elsewhere) would warrant inclusion in an indigenous peoples category; only those for whom there is evidence that specific recognition or claim is made, as per the particular sense of the term used at Category:Indigenous peoples. Although of course the vast majority of Africans may be said to be indigenous to the continent, originating there and nowhere else, only a minority of African peoples are identifying as indigenous peoples in the modern analytical sense of the term- see this report from the ACHPR for some examples. Indigenous peoples would only be a subset of ethnic groups, if you like. As far as regional identification goes, perhaps inclusion in both Central & West African subcats is appropriate, since as you mention the boundaries btw the two regions overlap in many interpretations.--cjllw | TALK  2005 July 1 01:21 (UTC)

Wikimania
Hiya. I just could not find your email any more in my mail box... so here it is. We could unfortunately not put you in the final list of sponsored people. Too many...with different stories... I will keep tune with african participation here. My best Anthere

Tasmanian Devil FAC
Thanks for your points on the Tasmanian Devil article. I think I have addressed everything but the capitalisation of the common name, which I think we will have to agree to disagree on at this point. There is nothing to stop anyone making any changes to articles on FAC, I frequently help polishing atricles that have been nominated before they were up to scratch, so if there is anything else that you think could be improved don't hesitate to fix it. Thanks again. --nixie 09:22, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Will do. Amcaja 13:42, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

I did not do a damn thing
No one knows if there were a cartoon showing Charlie and Scooby as claimed, last year. I wouldn't startle. Despite with my parents ignorance, but they insisted there is a Charlie Dog cartoon series, and at only one time, told me to shut up about the character, but they deny all of that, and would later threaten them. But, I won't do it, now.

Mr. Brian [name removed for privacy reasons], I am not sure your parents were aware of any disco cartoon shows, I am going to take care of this situation.

65.54.xxx.xxx

Category:Star Wars films
Only Episodes I-VI are "Star Wars" films, as part of the "Star Wars" series. I don't see why this is so hard to understand. There are spin-offs and spoofs, but those are not "Star Wars" films, as they are not part of the series. Copperchair 16:55, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Please, let's discuss this on the Category talk:Star Wars films. Amcaja 18:32, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

GURPS Historical Folks
Sorry to bother you here, but I couldn't find a valid email address. My apologies if I have the wrong Brian [name removed for reasons of privacy]. I was really impressed by your work with GURPS Historical Folks. I've been trying out converting some of the templates to 4th edition. Would you be interested in posting any of the conversions on your page for GURPS Historical Folks? Alternately, would you object to me posting the conversions on the GURPS forums or elsewhere? I'm not familiar with the details of copyright law, but I do understand that these templates are yours and you put a lot of time into them, so I'll abide by your wishes. You can contact me at infornific@aol.com. Thanks.

Douglas Weber

Template:Infobox Province of Cameroon
There is no written policy yet, but consensus is to skin table elements to match the rest of the site, e.g. image boxes. ed g2s •  talk  19:32, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * With regards to image boxes, there was a big vote on meta a while ago, not sure where. The point is by using a stylesheet class, the appearance is tied to the skin, so it can be edited by the user, or change with different skin settings, as opposed to using whatever the user agent sets as the default. For an example look at all the box elements at the bottom of this page. ed g2s  •  talk  00:08, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
 * A horizontal rule under the image ( (   in html) indicates the start of a new row and only nests   (   s), so the.
 * In HTML it would look like:

West Africa regional map
You know, I was just signing on to see if I could get you to update the W. Africa map (having seen your fine work on that page and elsewhere), only to discover you've already done so. You're really on the ball with this! Many thanks, --Dvyost 04:36, 12 August 2005 (UTC) (PC Mali '02)
 * My pleasure. And it's nice to see that I'm not the only Peace Corps Louisianan/Wikipedian! Amcaja 11:47, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It is an unusual combo. =)  Nice work on the jengu article, too, btw; I just saw it over at Template:Did you know. Interesting stuff!  Kudos, --Dvyost 04:22, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Infobox standardization
We're trying to come to consensus about the standardization of infobox formatting. This discussion is starting at Wikipedia Talk:Infobox standardisation. I saw you had asked User:Ed g2s about this consensus on his talk page, so I thought I would point you to the discussion that is starting up, if you are interested. Thanks! -- hike395 07:23, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

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Budenovka

A budenovka (будёновка) is a distinctive type of hat, an archetypal part of the Communist military uniforms of the Russian Civil War following the Russian Revolution (1917–1922) and later conflicts. Its official name was the "broadcloth helmet" (шлем суконный). Named after Red Army cavalry commander Semyon Budyonny, it was also known as the "frunzenka" after the Commissar Mikhail Frunze. It is a soft, woolen hat that covers the ears and neck. The cap features a peak and folded earflaps that can be buttoned under the chin.

History
The hat was created as part of a new uniform for the Russian army by Viktor Vasnetsov, a famous Russian painter, who was inspired by the Kievan Rus' helmet. The original name was bogatyrka (богатырка) – the helmet of a bogatyr – and was intended to inspire Russian troops by connecting them with the legendary heroes of Russian folklore.

As authorised in January 1919, the budenovka was intended as a winter headdress. Made of khaki cloth, the hat included flaps capable of being pulled down and fastened under the chin. The distinctive spike was created by a stiffened coil sewn into the crown and covered by khaki cloth. The initial model with the high tip was replaced with a more practical low-tip model in 1927. A summer version briefly existed, made from lighter cloth and lacking flaps.

The hat was not part of the Red Army uniform for long, for both political and practical reasons. Although it was relatively easy to produce, it required expensive wool, did not provide good cold-weather protection and could not be worn under a helmet. It was abandoned during the army reforms of the mid-1930s, and phasing-out started in 1935. Budenovkas were still in use during the Winter War of 1939, and the failure of Soviet equipment and gear led to the introduction of various improved winter uniforms. The Soviet army was to receive the garrison cap (called the "pilotka"), which would make the helmets more comfortable, and the outdoor ushanka, the latter being based on the Finnish turkislakki army fur caps. In the Red Army, Budenovka had mostly been replaced by the start of the Great Patriotic War in 1941, but some were still used by Soviet reserve troops, factory militia and partisans.

The budenovka became part of history as Red Army cavalry men wearing budennovkas became an iconic cultural image from the Russian civil war, together with tachankas, the Nagant revolver or Mauser C96, Maxim gun and rebelling sailors with ammunition belts slung over their chests. Stylized budyonovkas were still popular children's headwear until the late 60s.

Myth of Imperial origins
Many apocryphal accounts claim that Bogatyrkas were meant to be a part of a new uniform, so they had already been produced during World War I, but were not officially adopted. Another version, quite popular in Russia, is that bogatyrkas were designed for a military parade as a part of a "historical" stylized uniform (which also included an overcoat with "designer" cross-pieces, which evoked those worn by the Streltsy in the 16th to 18th centuries, which also were used in the Red Army to a limited extent). Some Russian historians even speculate the parade in question was a supposed victory parade in Berlin. Some view the bogatyrkas as an evolution of the bashlyk conical hoods worn by the Russian military since the mid-19th century. In reality, the uniform was designed by the Soviet government expressly for the Red Army.

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Parure

A parure is a set of various items of matching jewelry, which rose to popularity in early 19th-century Europe.

Terminology
A parure typically consists of a combination of a matching necklace, earrings, brooch, bracelet and often a diadem or tiara. A variation is the demiparure which consists of as few as two matching pieces, such as earrings and a necklace or brooch.

Design
A parure is not a static piece of jewelry but rather, is modular and can be reconfigured to remain fashionable and suit different occasions. Members of court and higher social ranks vied for the best jewelers to create the most imaginative and elaborate collections that would increase their status. Some necklaces could be worn intact or temporarily disassembled into bracelets, pendants, hair ornaments or brooches with interchangeable components and locking systems.

Cases for storing parures were also often highly decorative.

History
Artisans under Louis XIV were credited with some of the first parure inventions in the 18th century. Diamonds, often paired with silver, were popular at that time. A famous example was created for Mademoiselle d'Aubigné's wedding, which included: earrings, two pendants, loops and clasps for the sleeves, 32 buttons, and a large bowknot. There is a tendency for paste parures from the period to survive to the present, as the low value of the component parts made them less likely to be broken up for reuse.

Napoleon Bonaparte was fond of lavishing these gem suites on his first wife, Joséphine, to wear at state functions. Later, he gave similar sets to his second wife, Marie-Louise, including a set made from cut steel.

From the mid-19th century, parures made up of hair jewellery or jet pieces were made as mourning wear.

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Julien Inc.

Julien Inc. is a stainless steel fabrication company. Through its residential, commercial and industrial subcontracting divisions, Julien has completed projects in 13 countries in a wide range of sectors, including transport, electrical and household appliances, agrifood, and the medical and food processing equipment industries.

Julien Inc. has over 300 employees at its headquarters and 170000 sqft production facility in Quebec City.

History
Founded in 1946 by Léo T. Julien under the name Accessoires de cuisine ltée, the company began by selling kitchen accessories to restaurant owners in the Quebec City area. Noting his customers' needs for custom equipment, Mr. Julien opened a factory and managed it until his death in 1973. In 1974, Somesco Inc. acquired Accessoires de cuisine ltée, which became Les entreprises Julien inc. Management then focused on institutional, commercial, and industrial markets and began handling turnkey kitchen equipment contracts. The company grew quickly and in 1978, management decided to build a new 40000 sqft plant.

By the early 80s, the company was active throughout Quebec and began development of new geographic markets, first in Ontario, then in the Maritimes. In 1986, Berthier Chénard, one of the firm's shareholders, teamed up with three company executives, including current president and CEO Gilles St-Pierre, to buy out Les entreprises Julien inc. Their goal was to take the company in a new direction by developing the subcontracting market. The following year they computerized the firm's design and management operations and completely automated production. In 1989, Les entreprises Julien inc. acquired its own building and enlarged and modernized its plant.

The following years were marked by the computerization of production and the use of more advanced technology, including modernized management processes, design and manufacturing facilities, digitally controlled equipment, and a laser cutter. Everything was put in place to begin exploring the new industrial subcontracting market. In 1995, Gilles St-Pierre and other company executives acquired Les entreprises Julien inc. The new management team turned its attention to developing its areas of expertise and markets. In 1998, the company changed its name to Julien Inc. The following year, sales reached $36 million CAD before jumping to $45 million CAD in 2000.

Current Markets
Julien's main customer base is in the United States and Canada. However, it has done contracts in North Africa, the Middle East, and Europe.

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Standing Stone (album)

Standing Stone is Paul McCartney's second full-length release of original classical music (coming after 1991's Liverpool Oratorio), although he defined it as orchestral music. It was issued shortly after the release of Flaming Pie. The world premiere performance was held at The Royal Albert Hall on 14 October 1997.

History
Following up on 1991's Paul McCartney's Liverpool Oratorio, the Standing Stone project was composed out of a long poem McCartney authored to describe the way Celtic man might have wondered about the origins of life and the mystery of existence. McCartney composed the work as a commission from Richard Lyttleton, the then president of EMI Classics, to celebrate EMI's centenary. Unlike Liverpool Oratorio, the project was not an operatic performance of a story, but an instrumental one, though employing the use of a choir.

For the first time in his career, McCartney used a personal computer and software to help compose. The work was recorded by the 80 piece London Symphony Orchestra, a 120-member choir, and conducted by Lawrence Foster at EMI's Abbey Road Studios. Standing Stone was engineered by John Kurlander and mixed and edited at Hog Hill Mill Studios, McCartney's private studio in Sussex, England.

It was released on compact disc which included a 48-page booklet. The booklet reprinted in full McCartney's original poem that inspired the project, an essay by Andrew Stewart, and reproductions of two paintings by Paul from 1994 named Standing Stone Story and Standing Stone Story II. A two LP vinyl edition, limited to 2,500 copies, was also released.

The cover is one of the many photos taken by Linda McCartney during late 1969/early 1970 that would initially be seen on the inside gatefold cover of Paul's first album McCartney. This project was her husband's last release before Linda died of breast cancer on 17 April 1998, having been diagnosed almost three years earlier.

A documentary was made during the sessions, The Making of Standing Stone, and subsequently broadcast on BBC and PBS. The world premiere performance at The Royal Albert Hall was also filmed and broadcast on Channel 5 in the UK. The concert and documentary were later released together on DVD.

Release
Released on 25 September 1997 in the US, and 29 September in the UK, Paul McCartney's Standing Stone topped the classical music charts, and managed a one-week stand at number 194 on the US pop album listings.

Track listing
All pieces by Paul McCartney.

 * Movement I – After heavy light years
 * 1) "Fire/Rain" Allegro energico – 4:30
 * 2) "Cell Growth" Semplice – 8:30
 * 3) "'Human' Theme" Maestoso – 3:36

 * Movement II – He awoke startled
 * 1) "Meditation" Contemplativo – 3:57
 * 2) "Crystal Ship" Con moto scherzando – 2:02
 * 3) "Sea Voyage" Pulsating, with cool jazz feel – 3:39
 * 4) "Lost at Sea" Sognando – 4:37
 * 5) "Release" Allegro con spirito – 1:54

 * Movement III – Subtle colours merged soft contours
 * 1) "Safe Haven/Standing Stone" Pastorale con moto – 4:11
 * 2) "Peaceful Moment" Andante tranquillo – 2:09
 * 3) "Messenger" Energico – 3:35
 * 4) "Lament" Lamentoso – 2:26
 * 5) "Trance" Misterioso – 5:32
 * 6) "Eclipse" Eroico – 4:57

 * Movement IV – Strings pluck, horns blow, drums beat
 * 1) "Glory Tales" Trionfale – 2:40
 * 2) "Fugal Celebration" L'istesso tempo. Fresco – 4:25
 * 3) "Rustic Dance" Rustico – 2:00
 * 4) "Love Duet" Andante intimo – 3:43
 * 5) "Celebration" Andante – 6:15

Personnel

 * London Symphony Orchestra
 * London Symphony Chorus
 * Lawrence Foster: conductor
 * Janice Graham: leader
 * Stephen Westrop: chorus master

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Aerinite

Aerinite (Ca4(Al,Fe,Mg)10Si12O35(OH)12CO3*12H2O) is a bluish-purple inosilicate mineral. It crystallizes in the monoclinic system and occurs as fibrous or compact masses and coatings. It has a dark, vitreous luster, a specific gravity of 2.48 and a Mohs hardness of 3.

It is a low-temperature hydrothermal phase occurring in zeolite facies alteration of dolerites. Associated minerals include prehnite, scolecite and mesolite.

Its name comes from a Greek root "aerinos," meaning "atmosphere" or "sky blue". It was first described by Lasaulx (1876) from a specimen in the Wroclaw museum that was obtained in Aragon, Spain. In 1882, the geologist Luis Mariano Vidal found the mineral in situ in Caserras del Castillo, a locality that currently belongs to the municipality of Estopiñán del Castillo, in Huesca (Spain).

Deposits and uses
Aerinite is a rare mineral. It has been found in several deposits in the Spanish Pyrenees of Huesca and Lleida, as in Estopiñán del Castillo, Camporrells, Juseu and Tartareu. In France, the site is important from St. Pendelon, in the Landes. Aerinite was used as a blue pigment in Romanesque paintings in many churches in the Spain, and also in some French, including the most famous of them, the Pantocrator in the church of San Clemente de Tahull.

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Talk:Fork (file system)

This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. No support, opposition, or discussion other than the nomination was given. Dragons flight 00:04, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

cleanup
The first section doesn't flow. The first paragraphs fit together and talk about apple's implementations, but it's obvious that the next paragraphs are simply tacked on by random people saying "hey foo also had this."

Rewrite.128.114.60.225 (talk) 00:38, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Merge Resource fork with this article?
At Talk:Resource fork I dropped the idea to merge these two articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.145.122.175 (talk • contribs) 12:36, May 30, 2007

Added security info
I just added lots of info about the security issues of ADS streams on NTFS filesystems.
 * --gorgan_almighty 11:52, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Important links being removed
Why on earth did you remove ALL of the Diamond Computer Systems? Okay only one of them was needed but the external link at the bottom should remain. That link provides important information on the subject and is not spam as you have termed it. I have restored the external link to the site at the bottom.
 * --gorgan_almighty 14:24, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Only one link is needed. You added three diamond links on this page, and two to the NTFS page.  That does seem like an attempt to spam Wikipedia.  Also please note you should only wiki-link the first instance of a word. AlistairMcMillan 15:57, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Microsoft's implementations
Microsoft implemented forks in HPFS, HPFS386, NTFS and CIFS, but your comments only apply to Windows applications (not even to NTFS itself, as I said in NTFS discussion). Also you are wrong saying that M$ implemented forks in NTFS for Macintosh clients. It was also for OS/2 clients (through SMB/CIFS networking) and workstations/servers (installing NT over OS/2's HPFS/FAT and converting to NTFS).

Please correct your words.

—Claunia 00:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

 * It was actually me that added the Mac reason for NTFS forks. :) All the sources I've seen say forks were added to NTFS so Microsoft servers would work with Macs as well.  Do you have a source on why forks were added to HPFS?

 * Does OS/2 make it easy to see their version of forks ("extended attributes" right?) within the Workspace? Does a files size include the size of extended attributes, or does it just pretend they aren't there like NT? AlistairMcMillan 21:20, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

 * It shows, in Workplace Shell (Workspace is the interface of NeXTStep, the OS/2 one is Workplace Shell) and in CMD directory listings. In the old file explorer of OS/2 1.x I don't know, never checked.
 * Forks where added to OS/2 to store resources as well, but less intensively than in MacOS.
 * —Claunia 21:26, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Technical information relating to security issues on Windows
Any file can be embedded in another file's ADS stream very easily. The syntax is as follows: type C:\path\to\virus.exe >C:\path\to\textfile.exe:virus.exe

The file can then be run from the Command Line, a Windows Shortcut, or the Windows Registry as follows: C:\path\to\textfile.exe:virus.exe

Other important points to note are:
 * The file size of the ADS stream will not be reported in Windows Explorer or any other program that relies on the Windows API. A 10 byte text file could have a 5 MB ADS stream attached to it, and it would still be reported as 10 bytes.
 * There is no way of determining if a file contains an ADS stream. The stream can only be accessed if you know it's name.
 * There is also no limit to the file size of the ADS. A 10 byte text file can have an ADS of 2 gig.  This can potentially be used by a Trojan to fill up disk space on the hard drive, and you'd never be able to find where it all went.
 * Currently, very few virus scanners can scan the contents of ADS streams, however there are now a number of third-party tools that can remove ADS streams.
 * ADS streams can only exist on NTFS file systems. They cannot exist on FAT32 file systems, and they cannot be transferred across the web or through E-mail. They can however to transferred through Shared Folders if both the source and the recipient use NTFS file systems.

Hope people find it useful.
 * --gorgan_almighty 15:33, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

"There is no way of determining if a file contains an ADS stream. The stream can only be accessed if you know it's name." That bits not true, there are ways of iterating through streams. This program does it: http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/alternate_data_streams.html "ADS streams can only exist on NTFS file systems." Thats also not true. NTFS was created to deal with HFS files. There are also other filesystems that support ADS. - Anon

A quick suggestion
I'd just like to say that I'm happy with this page now. I think we've reached a good compromise. I think a small comment should be made about the virus risk on all of the articles for the filesystems that it affects. Perhaps the Windows Explorer article as well. Perhaps something like:
 * "Note that some virus' have been known to take advantage of Fork / ADS features."

 * ''"Windows Explorer limitations: Windows Explorer is currently unable to detect the presence of ADS streams inside a file. Nor does it report the size of a file's ADS stream. This makes it harder to find and remove unwanted or potentially harmful ADS streams on filesystems that support them."

What do people think? And if not why not?
 * --gorgan_almighty 12:27, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

 * It is already commented, you see, "Windows is affected by almost all of these problems"
 * —Claunia 12:58, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Where are you quoting from?
 * --gorgan_almighty 13:48, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Fork (filesystem) article: "Currently all versions of Windows suffer from all of these problems."
 * —Claunia 13:59, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia must be a useful resource, not just a technically correct one. Users will not be aware of the security issues raised on this page because they will never visit this page unless the security issues are mentioned on other relavent articles. In this case it is the filesystems and Windows Explorer articles. If there is no indication on the Windows Explorer article that Windows Explorer has issues with ADS, then users will never visit the ADS article to find out what those issues are.
 * —gorgan_almighty 14:48, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

 * This IS NOT a security page. Microsoft has security pages, there is google, so on.
 * THIS IS AN ENCYCLOPEDIA. Here peoples comes to know WHAT a thing is, not their security risks.
 * Here peoples comes to know what is a car, not to learn how to drive it securely, to know what an ABS is, not to know if it is safer than standard brakes.
 * This is out of discussion.
 * —Claunia 15:51, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

 * An encyclopedia is more than just a glorified dictionary. It does more than just define terms. Paper-based encyclopedia's are very limited on space, but wikipedia is not (not it terms of text anyway).  Wikipedia should therefore try to be as helpful and as comprehensive as possible. Security concerns with a certain application or file system are an important piece of information to anyone who is interested in reading about that application or file system, and should be documented. The fact that the information exists outside of wikipedia is irrelevant. Wikipedia should be comprehensive enough to document the concerns itself.
 * —gorgan_almighty 16:51, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry but this has been discussed a number of times before. Wikipedia is not here to inform people about security problems. If you want to know about security problems you don't start paging through an encyclopedia. AlistairMcMillan 17:00, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I think that whenever the security issue is notable, it becomes worthy of mention, with as usual references to relevant sources. At the very least, a mention can be put into a "disadvantages" section (if such a section exists and a "security considerations" section is not worth creating).  This is similar to how RFCs or manual pages will include a short "security considerations" section where necessary, and an encyclopedia is supposed to collect relevant knowledge, albeit in an abridged form accompanied by references.  This is also similar to "health concerns" sections where such research exists.  66.11.179.30 (talk) 16:25, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

 * You do realise you are attempting to participate in a discussion that fizzled out five years ago, right? AlistairMcMillan (talk) 09:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Of course. The discussion is still here for everyone to see and follow so I don't see how this is a problem (especially if you could even read it today :).  I think that I'm fine with the current notes in "Possible security and data loss risks" though, and am simply noting to future editors that it is worthy information that should not be removed.  Thanks, 66.11.179.30 (talk) 21:20, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

EAs in FAT?

 * "Windows 9x is also affected, as it is not aware about the EAs in FAT!"

FAT isn't an ADS-enabled filesystem, so what are EAs?
 * --gorgan_almighty 12:27, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Read the FAT article.
 * EAs are "name=value" alternate data streams introduced by OS/2, and used also by Windows (NT series) in FAT12 and FAT16 filesystems.
 * So, it is an ADS-aware filesystem.
 * —Claunia 12:59, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Compression Formats
Can ADS streams exist in ZIP or other compression files? —gorgan_almighty 14:51, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

 * PkZIP's ZIPs yes, WinZIP's ZIPs not, Microsoft ZIPs not, Microsoft CABs not, RARs yes, it depends.
 * —Claunia 15:53, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Error regarding Macintosh usage
"HFS was designed to use resource forks to store metadata about a file that would be used by the graphical user interface (GUI) of the Apple Macintosh, such as a file icon or an image preview. However the feature was not limited to GUI data, so additional uses were found…"

This is horse hockey. Resources were much more general from the very start (in MFS, which predated HFS) – applications generally had no data fork, as code and data were stored in resources ('CODE' and 'DATA' resources, logically enough). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ahruman (talk • contribs) 21:36, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Do you have sources to back up your comments about MFS? About HFS, whether you are right about MFS or not, how does that affect HFS?  Were applications on HFS stored in the same way?  Do you have sources to back that up? AlistairMcMillan 22:00, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

 * The format of applications wasn’t changed for HFS; “Classic 68k” Mac apps are resource-based regardless of file system, and CFM-68k and PowerPC based apps for pre-OS X Mac OS are partly resource based (the code is in the data fork, but necessary metadata is in the resource fork). Also implied in my comment is the fact that MFS had forks before HFS. I’ll trawl developer.apple.com for old docs some time when I’m properly awake. -Ahruman 22:14, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Firstly if you take a second to read the article again, it doesn't suggest anywhere that forks originated with HFS. Just that HFS is the most likely place to have heard of them.

 * Here is a page that confirms what you are saying about Classic apps: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/mac/MoreToolbox/MoreToolbox-11.html Can't find one that describes pre-OSX HFS apps as clearly though. AlistairMcMillan 22:24, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Well, there are comments in a page about Mac OS history by the programmers, that calls about the Resource Manager, and how the limited executable space of the 68000 forced they to cut apps in resources.
 * All 68k apps in MFS, HFS and HFS+ are cut in CODE and DATA resources, and you can find more on it seeing the MPW's includes and the Resource Manager chapters of Inside Macintosh books.
 * —Claunia 23:21, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Do you have a link to this page, the one about Mac OS history by the programmers? AlistairMcMillan 01:08, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm searching it in the logs. As soon as I find it I'll post it here. —Claunia 09:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Found it!
 * Resources
 * —Claunia 09:32, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Cool. Thanks. AlistairMcMillan 18:04, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

"In Computing?"
Computing seems like a rather large umbrella, including software engineering / computer programming where fork has a very different meaning. Perhaps the beginning of the article should follow the name of the article's lead, and refer specifically to filesystems here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.20.85.161 (talk • contribs) 20:45, August 20, 2006

“Video about forks”
I removed this:
 * This video illustrates how a file is being forked in ADS and one of the methods to remove ADS files.

Seems the address is now unreachable, and further more, a Google search for that URL, shows it is suspected to contain malwares (you get a warning page when you attempt to access the page from Google's search page). --Hibou57 (talk) 13:53, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

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