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Uijong of Goryeo

Uijong of Goryeo (23 May 1127 – 7 November 1173), personal name Wang Hyŏn, was the 18th king of the Goryeo dynasty of Korea.

He honoured his civilian advisors with many ceremonies but discriminated against the military officials, often forcing them to participate in martial arts competitions for the entertainment of himself and the civil officials, as well as assigning them petty portions during land distributions. He also was often drunk, further angering the warriors. Finally, in the autumn of 1170, after constant discriminations, the rage of the military officials burst. Three warriors (Chŏng Chung-bu, Yi Ŭi-bang, Yi Ko) and others, started a military revolt, murdering the civil officials, deposing King Uijong, and appointing a new king in his place. After he was deposed, officials loyal to Uijong such as Kim Po-dang later attempted to restore him to his throne, but this restoration attempt was exposed and Uijong was subsequently thrown into a pond and drowned by the Goryeo military regime while many civil officials were once again purged.

Family

 * Father: Injong of Goryeo
 * Grandfather: Yejong of Goryeo
 * Grandmother: Queen Sundeok
 * Mother: Queen Gongye
 * Grandfather: Im Wŏn-hu
 * Grandmother: Grand Lady of Jinhan State of the Bupyeong Yi clan
 * Consorts and their Respective issue(s):
 * 1) Queen Janggyeong of the Kim clan
 * 2) Wang Ki, Crown Prince Hyoryeong
 * 3) Princess Gyeongdeok
 * 4) Princess Anjeong
 * 5) Princess Hwasun
 * 6) Queen Jangseon of the Jiksan Choe clan
 * 7) Concubine Mubi
 * 8) Little Prince Wang
 * 9) Little Prince Wang
 * 10) Little Prince Wang
 * 11) Royal Lady Wang
 * 12) Royal Lady Wang
 * 13) Royal Lady Wang
 * 14) Royal Lady Wang
 * 15) Royal Lady Wang
 * 16) Royal Lady Wang
 * 17) Royal Lady Wang
 * 18) Royal Lady Wang
 * 19) Royal Lady Wang

Popular culture

 * Portrayed by Kim Kyu-chul in the 2003–2004 KBS TV series Age of Warriors.

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Talk:True variance

Hi Michael, please do not deface my site with ugly stop signs without stating your case. Say what your objections are and let's work together to make this entry I just finished writing better. Cruise 02:35, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi Mark and Michael, The "true variance" does not mean that your variance entry is not right.

 * That is true. Michael Hardy 22:15, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

It is just a terminus technicus.

 * No, that's wrong. There are good reasons for this usage, but User:Cruise seems to want to keep them out of the article. Michael Hardy 22:15, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Your excellent entry treats variance from the viewpoint of the estimation theory, this entry describes variance from the viewpoint of data analysis.

 * I don't think so. Michael Hardy 22:15, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

The resulting values of variance are the same, only the perspectives differ. Please do not start deletion wars. I have better things to do with my life than to revert deleted entries. Take care, Cruise 05:12, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

As I see it, there are several problems. First, it's highly unusual to have two distinct articles about the same concept. Second, I have no problem with "true variance" as a technical term. However, I do have a problem with the way it's used here. There are three distinct concepts:
 * 1) The underlying variance of the population one is sampling from. This is what I'd call the "true variance", and it's generally unknown and has to be estimated.  Also note that it can generally only be defined in terms of moments: if the underlying population is assumed to be Gamma-distributed, say, then the variance can be derivedusing calculus, but not by finite summation.  The population variance, which is not guaranteed to always exist, is usually denoted by $$\sigma^2$$.
 * 2) The variance of a finite sample viewed as a finite population. (Obviously, this is a confusing and pedagogically tricky issue.) Simply put, take a finite sample, and forget about the fact that it is a sample that is (hopefully) representative of something bigger. Just look at it as a finite collection of data, i.e., a finite population. That population always has a variance (except in trivial cases), and that variance is also often denoted by $$\sigma^2$$, and sometimes called "sample variance".  You seem to call this "true variance", but it is only identical to the first concept for finite populations and exhaustive sampling.
 * 3) The unbiased estimator $$s^2$$ of the true population variance.  This is also sometimes called the "sample variance".  You call it "unbiased variance", but that's at best a shorthand for "unbiased variance estimate" (it's the esitmate that's unbiased, not the variance).

The main substantive problem I'm having with the current article is that the term "true variance" used here seems to conflate the first two concepts.

The main stylistic problem is that the article reads like a chapter from a textbook. There is nothing wrong with that per se, but a better place would be WikiBooks. For an encyclopedia article, we do want some of the concrete examples found here, but the article should also be comprehensive and be useful to readers with different backgrounds. I personally think that Wikipedia's math articles are often excellent when they find that middle ground that's neither covered by educational sites (too verbose for a reference work) nor by MathWorld (too many trivia, not enough text, no mention of applications; how's that for a ten word review?).

There are a number of formatting problems. It's very easy to use math formulas and tables on Wikipedia. No need to use images.

Finally, your work that went into this article is certainly appreciated. But keep in mind that anything and everything can and will be edited mercilessly. It's not possible to look at an article in isolation. Rather, we have to consider what's already there, how similar topics are covered here and elsewhere, etc. In this case, I don't see any reason for keeping this article alongside the article on variance. The only solution I can think of is to merge the two articles and redirect this one to variance. That way we'll have one comprehensive article which will be better overall than the two current individual articles.

Cheers, --MarkSweep 07:01, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi Mark, I read your comments and the modifications you made to the variance article, especially the integration of the Press et al. comments with great interest and think that you made sincere effort to integrate both the 'variance' and 'true variance' entries. I also agree with you that the 'true variance' reads like a chapter from a textbook and has a number of formatting problems. This could be remedied, by editing and taking out the rather childlish Allan, Beth ... example, but before undertaking this rather boring work, let's think about the real issues you talk about. Variance is the key concept of statistics and problems you mention reflect two schools of thought. Variance is the microcosm of these conceptual differences which diverge as you progress into differences that are hard to reconcile. This is the reason why some people try to start a new discipline of 'visual statistics' as different from the 'statistics.'

I wrote the 'true variance' as a footnote to the matrix subtraction article, since the firm understanding of this concept helps to understand the next entry I was going to write on the implicational scales. Within this context, the 'true variance' entry is a trial sonde whether the Wikipedia community will be able to tollerate divergent perspectives on these issues or whether these issues will have to be voiced elsewhere. Best Wishes, David Cruise 15:10, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi Mark, I wish we would be able to incorporate the 'true variance' into the 'variance,' however the differences in notation and conceptualization are difficult to overcome. I thought about making a Faustian bargain with you. I replaced pictures with formulae, removed the section on the degrees of freedom, and cut the narrative to the bone. As I need this entry for the matrix subtraction article, I promise that I'll not add any references to any other variance entry to keep the true variance entry a footnote, as it was meant to be.

If you would like to, you can add the picture about the Monte Carlo simulation to the variance, degrees of freedom, or some other entry, as I think it is rather cool. Looking forward to working with you and Michael on making the Wikipedia diverse and exciting. Best wishes, David Cruise 19:00, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

 * To some extent I hope my case is made by my recent edits. There's more to do; I'll be back. Michael Hardy 19:27, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi Michael, Your recent addition is an excellent elucidations of concepts we are talking about here. Thanx. Best wishes, David Cruise 19:56, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Mark, talking about the Monte Carlo study, it was based on 100,000 repeated samples. In the old days of the original IBM PC I had to run it over several consecutive nights. Take care, David Cruise 19:56, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Deletion?
Maybe this article should be improved by deleting it.

What the hell is going on here? The "true variance" differs from the "unbiased variance" only in the denominator???? Someone who got an "F" in a statistics course would write that; it's hard to imagine anyone else doing so.

Here is the truth: the expression with n − 1 in the denominator that is a conventional unbiased estimate of a population variance is based on an i.i.d. random sample. The "true" variance, more properly called the "population variance" is based on the whole population. It is absurd to simply change the denominator in the population variance and call it "unbiased variance". Michael Hardy 22:26, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Mr. Hardy, Persons who use in the course of professional discussion words like hell and crap are not worth of my reply. Sincerely Yours, David Cruise 17:40, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Population and sample quantaties become confused in this article. I honestly think that Wikipedia would benefit if the article were deleted. (PJP)

Factual accuracy dispute
The current version of the article is simply incorrect and confusing. In general the concept of "true variance" cannot be defined in terms of finite sums (that would only work for finite populations). For example, if you're sampling from a population that follows a Cauchy distribution, you can sample till you're blue in the face, and you'd still be wrong: any finite sample will necessarily have a sample variance, and based on that you can try to estimate the population variance using a biased or unbiased estimator. But whatever you do, you will be wrong, because the true variance of the population is undefined. Hence it is necessary to make a strict distinction between (a) the underlying population, which may not have a well-defined variance, skewness, etc.; (b) the mean, variance, etc. of a finite sample from that population; and (c) various estimators of the population moments, which may or may not involve sample moments. I've tried to say as much in my comments above. There should be at least some pointer to a discussion of these issues, and the article should make explicit any assumptions it makes for purposes of exposition. For example, if this article is only about finite populations, it should say so and point to a more general discussion. --MarkSweep✍ 03:15, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Different points of view
Hi Mark, Your article on variance describes this concept from the standpoint of the sampling theory. This article describes the concept of variance from the standpoint of data analysis. There is nothing wrong with either your approach, or with this approach. They just reflect different points of view. David Cruise 05:04, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Working together
Hi Michael and Mark, Last night I was thinking about the core nature of this controversy and this morning I subscribed all equations in the article and made explicit that those definitions are not the abstract definitions of true or unbiased variances, but the computational definitions of true variance for the variable X, unbiased variance for the variable .... Michael, I also noticed your edits for the matrix subtraction entry, and I thank you for your help. As you can see from this discussion page, it appears that it is only the three of us who care about these issues anyway, I propose to burry the hatchet, link each other's works, and let the reader decide if he/she needs more information on the theoretical or computational facet of statistics, the discipline we love and care about. Yours, David Cruise 17:56, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Hello. I'll return to this article before the end of the week, but probably not today ....... Michael Hardy 20:57, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi Michael, In the spirit of working together I restored your entry on the Conventional language of computation. If possible, please keep the style uniform. E.g., since the formulae are not numbered throughout, the (1) at the end of the Equation (1) looks somewhat odd. I know that many people use x bar to signify the arithmetic mean, while some prefer the symbol M. I use the M as I am a devotee of the principle of parsimony in math notation. The x bar consists out of two elements while M is singular, as is R for multiple correlation, etc. Also, please gather your comments toward the end of the article, since the Conventional language of computation. provides a link to other articles on this topic. I am a strong supporter of the dialectic method which mandates the thesis - antithesis - synthesis order of discussion. Best Wishes, David Cruise 19:37, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

About infinity and eternity
Hi Mark, Thank you for your comments; they are constructive, incisive and helpful. The key point you make is that if this article is only about finite populations, it should say so. Today I elaborated on this point in the preamble to the article and it reads much better. David Cruise 12:32, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Lag Time
As the lag time is up, I deleted the disputed tab. Cruise 19:24, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Copyright violation
Parts of this article (see http://www.visualstatistics.net) violate copyright of Cruise Scientific and were removed. For further information contact info@visualstatistics.net. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.211.66.24 (talk)

Merger proposal
After reading everything above I hate to open this up again. But this article is really a problem. I have created an article titled population variance which follows the conventional terminology and conceptual framework of statistics. Since the true variance article explicitly defines "true variance" to be something different from "population variance" as conventionally defined, this is not simply an attempt to create a parallel page on the same topic. In principle, these could go on as two separate pages since they are describing different things. The fact remains that this article has several problems. To name two, it contains no reference that explicitly corroborates this use of the term "true variance." Most problematically, it suggests that changing a factor from n-1 to n makes something "true" even if it based on sample. Skbkekas (talk) 20:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I just replaced the lead of the article on variance, so far without any complaints (but it's Labor Day weekend in the US so maybe no one's paying attention until Tuesday). Without having yet seen this article on "true variance" I drew the distinction between variance itself and its estimation in the third paragraph of my lede.  While I do think it's reasonable to have a separate article on estimation theory, I'm not sold on the need for a separate article distinguishing variance from estimated variance.  In any event "true variance" is simply variance; it is what Variance is about, and I deliberately chose the two examples for my lede in the hope that it would be clear that they were examples of true variance and not merely of an estimation thereof.  One can certainly estimate die and root statistics with millions of Monte Carlo runs as a check on theory, but let's not put us theorists out of work right now in today's unforgiving labour market, especially on Labor Day.  I do not see what purpose this article serves that is not better served by the variance article.  True Variance is a Wisconsin-based progressive rock group, let's leave it that way.  --Vaughan Pratt (talk) 06:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops, ignore that rant, sorry, I just noticed the merge is now history. --Vaughan Pratt (talk) 07:23, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

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John Lefferts (December 17, 1785 – September 18, 1829) was a member of the Thirteenth United States Congress as a Democratic-Republican Representative from New York. He was also a delegate to the New York State Constitutional Convention of 1821 and a member of the New York State Senate from 1820 to 1825. He died in Brooklyn, New York and was interred in Greenwood Cemetery.

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Talk:Dial-up Internet access

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GameFAQs
Could someone with a better source replace the statistic provided by the GameFAQs poll?. GameFAQs is a videogame-related site and its polls are hardly statistically proper. The site targets gamers and, as such, its polls are likely to be voted on by people with a high inclanation to use a broadband connection (Gamers are more likely to have broadband). I think it would be more proper to use a poll from a more reputable statistical source. The GameFAQs poll information is OK when no other data is available, but it would be best to remove it once someone brings a more accurate statistical source.

Broadband
What is BROADBANS? I tried loooking it up - nothing. Teamgoon 14:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Is link any good?
I looked at http://www.myispfinder.org/tutorials/ and didn't find it terribly helpful, but very ad laden. Any objections to me pulling it out? Josh Parris 01:44, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I fully agree that the link is NOT good. I counted a total of 7 "tutorials", which consist of a single screenshot, and a sentence or two of rudimentary explanation.  The density of ads supercedes content, which is a classic sign of a pointless site.  Remove it, Josh! — Fudoreaper 18:18, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Then please suggest what you would like to see on this page. If you would like to see all ads removed consider it done.  We truely are attempting to offer dialup related content for the education of the public.  Look forward to your suggestions. —preceding unsigned comment by User:Hiii98 (talk • contribs)

 * Wikipedia is not the appropriate venue in which to advertise your site, be it personal or professional.--||bass 01:32, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

The thing I noticed most about the tutorials is that they were images that demanded I click on the right parts of the images, but didn't offer visual hints that I needed to do that to make the tutorial progress. Josh Parris 00:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC) it s not real — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.46.17.105 (talk) 13:19, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

High-speed dial-up
No mention is made of high-speed dial-up, and I've never used it and can't find non-corporate/advertising explanations of the technology. Can anyone expand on this? —68.62.17.196 00:49, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Whoops, just found what i was looking for: http://computer.howstuffworks.com/high-speed.htm  —68.62.17.196 00:51, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

The noises
The noises need to be mentioned.

Modern modems mute those. --Trusader 02:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I mean wouldn't it be cool if you could come to this page and click play on a little media box and hear the sweet, soothing sounds of a dial up connection being established? That mess used to be a no. 1 hit!-- Nick ???  09:21, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Media:Dial up modem noises.ogg|Audio Dial-Up Noises]] ✅

 * Cheers. Brings back memories. Terrible, horrific memories.. Rehevkor ✉  15:25, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Expense
I think it should be pointed out that, now that a lot of people are eschewing land-line phones (and using internet to the point that the phone is useless for calls), the price of dial-up internet now basically INCLUDES the price of the phone line, which puts it up pretty high. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 23:50, 11 May 2007 (UTC).

Service providers
Will there always be a way to connect via dial-up? Many older computer simply cannot acsess broadband, so will there be a time when they cannot be used? Or is there a way of connecting a dial-up modem even if only broadband service is supplied? Liamoliver 20:13, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Eventually, I believe dial-up will be replaced by other ways of "broadband", even if that means a "narrowband". What I mean is that fax/modems will be replaced more and more by cable modems and dsl transceivers (that's how it's called, right?), even if the company will only give a small transmission capacity to the subscriber. That's probably because the cost of having a telephone call only to access Internet is becoming too high (specially in countries where large phone service usage still is beyond the buying power of most consumers), and many other ways of access like local wireless ISPs are probably one of the ideal dial-up substitutes (price + performance wise). If you take into account that even fixed phone service (typical POTS) by itself is going to be replaced by more efficient ways of voice communication like VoIP (specially after QoS improves, that is), I think what I said really makes sense. Finally, it may be good to add that trend (if nobody did already) as long as we find an objective statistical report about that. Davidcesarino 15:24, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

 * PROBLEM: Cable, DSL, or VOIP services do not work during power outages.  I would not want to be cut-off from civilization if another 9/11 happened, if I was hit by another Katrina, or if a blizzard destroyed the power transformer.  The phone line is typically the only thing still working in those cases.   Therefore phone lines serve as an important back-up during emergencies.       As for dialup, companies like Netzero or Netscape will continue offering it as long as they can still make money.  They are only charging $7.00 per month now, so I'm not sure how much longer they can exist on such low incomes.    Theaveng (talk) 12:06, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Why would you need a dial-up modem during a power outage? Your computer still needs electricity. Rchard2scout (talk) 20:42, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Laptop battery, home-produced electricity. —ᚹᚩᛞᛖᚾᚻᛖᛚᛗ ( ᚷᛖᛋᛈᚱᛖᚳ ) 03:25, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Infrastructure
I take issue with the statement 'Dial-up requires no additional infrastructure on top of the telephone network.' There was a huge infrastructure put in place in each country with a large number of dial-up users. Typically modem servers have been installed in local and trunk exchanges to groom dial-up interent traffic off the PSTN and onto an IP network. Without this flat-rate dial-up internet (FRIACO) would be uneconomic. As broadband became more available and dial-up demand decreases this infrastructure becomes redundant, the situation in each country is different. John a s (talk) 00:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Improvements made *internal to the ISP's building* is not part of the infrastructure which is *external* to the ISP building. External to the building, nothing was changed..... it's still the same voice-quality, 4000-hertz bandwidth lines that we've always used.

 * The only part of that sentence that is incorrect is saying "infrastructure on top of". Infrastructure can not lie on top of something because the word "infra" means bottom.  The infrastructure is the foundation.    Theaveng (talk) 11:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

 * This now reads "Dial-up connections to the Internet require no infrastructure other than the telephone network and the modems and servers needed to make and answer the calls." --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 16:38, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

ALVIS: Please adjust your attitude
"Stop writing shit in this article without a citation for it," is very, very poor netiquette. Take a moment to read this: Calm down. Theaveng (talk) 11:49, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Move?

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was moved to capitalize Internet Aervanath (talk) 16:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Dial-up internet access →  — the capitalization used throughout the article and (for the most part) the rest of Wikipedia —
 * Lowercase seems to me to be the usual usage. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:44, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Not a proper noun, no capitalisation needed. If the usage is incorrect elsewhere, then it should be corrected.  Knepflerle (talk) 11:45, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: Actually, it is a proper noun. You’re not understanding the etymology of the term. It comes from “internetwork”, which itself comes from “interconnected networks”. There are many “internets”, but only one “Internet”. This is the capitalization used by the folks that created and maintain it, plus the majority of our sources. See Internet capitalization conventions for more info. I’ve bumped this to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style – we can revisit this specific case later. —Wulf (talk) 15:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, and note that it’s capitalized in Broadband Internet access, the larger of the two articles. —Wulf (talk) 15:09, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Support. In this context, Internet is a proper noun, as that is the internet that is being accessed through dial-up Internet access. My spell checker (Firefox) warns me every time I do not capitalize Internet. 199.125.109.126 (talk) 16:26, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

What are ye disputing, Kbrose?
Section:

''In analog serial communications modems, once the connection is established, the data communications session consumes all available bandwidth.[citation needed] Often there is no backchannel capacity for the modem to communicate connection status to the end user or local computer.[citation needed] During the connection negotiation phase, modems transmit the connection speed to the attached computer in status reports. If the base data rate changes at a later time, there is no way to indicate this change to the local computer during the data communications session.[citation needed]''

User:Kbrose, the Hayes command set method of modem control has stayed pretty much unchanged since the 1980s:
 * AT&F
 * ATD 0000000
 * CONNECT 48000
 * data session begins, and we are out of modem command mode
 * To talk to the modem directly again, send +++, and wait about one second for OK

Could we conceivably keep dropping into command mode every five seconds to query the modem about its current transfer rate? Why yes, we could. But we would keep severely interrupting communications due to the required 0.5 to 1.0 sec pause after the +++ to drop to command mode, during which time no data can be sent over the channel.

PPP in Windows and just about everything else acts on the principle that once the session connects and leaves modem command mode there is no further hardware status information, and the PPP session operates blind to the modem status, other than being interrupted by NO CARRIER.

The situation is quite annoying with regard to USB and soft modems, since there is so much more status information about the data pump that could be communicated to the end-user outside of the single serial command/data channel, but is not. DMahalko (talk) 20:40, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

 * There were plenty of modems that had continuous monitoring interfaces, including ISDN dialup modems with dedicated channels and SNMP capable devices. Low-end consumer modems was only a section of the market. The prose still is questionable with dubious terms, such as 'all available bandwidth' Kbrose (talk) 20:48, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

 * I like how you speak of this in the past tense. As I am someone forced to use dialup because there is no other option, I have looked high and low for such a 56k modem offering capabilities as you describe, and none are capable of providing such information real-time other than the old SupraFaxModem 33.6, with the status visible via a dot-matrix display directly on the front of the modem itself.

 * Also ISDN is a dialup modem service only in the vaguest sense. ISDN is typically locked to a specific carrier or function and isn't normally used to just randomly dial connections to remote sites.

 * The bandwidth available on a serial line using the Hayes command set is fully occupied with the data session at any baud. You can't get any device information simultaneously with the data session, and PPP doesn't support doing that, either.

 * DMahalko (talk) 21:20, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.161.12.193 (talk) 13:54, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

 * I deleted the "Performance assessment" section. It was completely unsourced. It has been marked as disputed since August 2009. I found it confusing and it wasn't really about performance assessment. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 16:46, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Globalize
This article talks about dial-up in the US; what about outside the US? What about China and Africa, do they still use dial-up?--Prosfilaes (talk) 20:52, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Dial-up Internet access vs. generic Dial-up
Dial-up access is a more appropriate term, since dial-ip is not limited to Internet access only; the same method can be used to remote access closed networks such as Bulletin board systems, FidoNet, or Home banking services, using many different protocols. --82.179.218.11 (talk) 12:52, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I concur with the above comment. In the context of data communications, the term "Dial-up" (or "Dialup") can refer to a lot of scenarios where Internet Protocol is not necessarily involved, such as those mentioned above, and also UUCP, and the use of teletypes and other terminals (and emulators) to access timesharing systems and the like (in fact, the "UUCP" entry's reference to "dial-up" is currently redirected to "Dial-up Internet access", which is unfortunate; there may be other cases of this). Either this entry needs to be made more general, or there needs to be a new entry for generic "Dial-up" ("Dialup"), perhaps with disambiguation. -- HLachman (talk) 04:00, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. The article is very (if not exclusively) Internet-centric and must be made more general, as anybody involved with computer networking within the past ~25-30+ years or so knows that Internet access is only one use for modem communication over telephone lines. The article should be rewritten as "Dial-up" or "Dial-up computer networking" and the Internet-related code kept in a seperate section within called "Dial-up Internet access" or something to that effect. -- MXocross (talk) 04:19, 2013 May 18 (GMT)

 * uh huh, I used to call into a DECVAX daily at work with a 1200baud MODEM in my ibm to process our companys accounting, which is about as far seperated from the internet as you can get. time to move the articel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.115.30.233 (talk) 20:38, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

 * *Strongly support, since Internet access is only one application of a dial-up data connectivity. The title "Dial-up Internet access" discounts the many non-Internet uses of modems, e.g. TDD relays, bulletin-board systems, automated teller machines, remote maintenence, etc. The article should be retitled "Dial-up", "Dial-up access" or something of the sort (as mentioned above) and a section given therein explaining its use as a means of accessing Internet service providers.— comment added 00:06, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Dial-up service ties up phone line
Unless I missed it somewhere, the article doesn't spell out the fact that, unlike broadband services, even those such as DSL which use the phone line, the dial-up connection is using the telephone service itself for the connection, and as such, phone calls can neither be initiated nor received on the phone line during the internet dial-up session.

I guess this issue is eluded to where it states "In analog serial communications modems, once the connection is established, the data communications session consumes all available bandwidth."; however it isn't really spelled out in practical terms exactly what that implies.

TimHoltz (talk) 15:13, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

 * ✅. I made a change to cover this. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 16:39, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

what does this mean?
As an example, Netscape ISP uses a compression program that squeezes images, text, and other objects at a proxy server,

'squeezes' ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.193.189.151 (talk) 10:00, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

UUCPNET, not USENET
In 1979, Tom Truscott and Steve Bellovin, graduate students for Duke University, would create an early predecessor to dial-up Internet access – called the USENET

Usenet was a message board service. I think you meant UUCPNET.

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Weird sentence
"The Internet speed using this technology can drop to 21.6 kbit/s or less." What? Drop from what? What is the speed dropping from? This sentence makes no sense. Kind regards, JJK2000 (talk) 05:57, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Another wierd sentence
"One contributing factor is the bandwidth requirements of newer computer programs, like operating systems and antivirus software". What? Isn't streaming and video a larger contributor to bandwidth requirements nowdays? This seems like it was written in 2005. Kind regards, JJK2000 (talk) 05:59, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:David Bauer (ice hockey)

Untitled
someone should turn this into a disambiguation page for David Bauer (actor) and Father David Bauer. -- Antaeus Feldspar 02:39, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Renaming?
Was appropriate consideration given to the criteria of "which name is this person best known by?" Since, when Waterloo named a roadway after him, it wasn't "David Bauer Drive" but "Father David Bauer Drive", I think it's quite possible that he's better known as "Father David Bauer" and not just "David Bauer". -- Antaeus Feldspar 16:33, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Antaeus, thanks for bringing this up, but some thought was given to this, and I think the move is well justified on several grounds:

 * 1) He was far from universally known as Father David Bauer, it was more in the way of a knickname for him, although technically he was entitled to the style. But for instance, Maurice Richard is under his own name rather than "Rocket Richard". Going by what one town named a street is pretty thin justification. Anyway, people are more likely to assume that just typing in the name will get them what they want — quite aside from the fact they are lazy and more likely to type just "David Bauer" rather than the whole deal.
 * 2) The name is misleading, since it is not the vocation for which he was primarily known. If David Bauer is switched to a disambig page, I am in favour of making the article title "David Bauer (hockey player)" or some such;
 * 3) The use of what amounts to a title in the names of articles is widely deprecated (with the exception for some reason of Peers, but you already know this).

Cheers, Fawcett5 20:18, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I was going by more than what one major city named a street (and what, I have since learned, Calgary named an arena); I was going by the fact that a Google search for "'Father David Bauer' -Wikipedia" gets 22,100 hits. So far none of them seem to put the "Father" part in quotes, whereas searching for "Rocket Richard" overwhelmingly turns up "Maurice 'Rocket' Richard" or "Maurice 'The Rocket' Richard".  I'm afraid that saying that "Father David Bauer" was more of a nickname still seems to me to be missing the central point, as does pointing out that he wasn't best known for the vocation literally designated by the "Father" and that it amounted to a title; sometimes people are best-known under a name that isn't real, that isn't accurate, or that isn't relevant to their claim to fame (as Baroness Orczy's title had little to do with her literary work), but it's the fact that it's how they are best known that matters.

 * As for locating the page at David Bauer or David Bauer (hockey player) and letting Father David Bauer be a redirect to it, that seems acceptable. However, right now the only explicit confirmation that the reader has that this "David Bauer" is the same person widely known as "Father David Bauer" is the mention that Waterloo named the street Father David Bauer Drive after him.  This, I think, needs fixing. -- Antaeus Feldspar 19:34, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Antaeus, after further investigation, I'll conceed that he seems to have been refered to as "Father David Bauer" more often than not, and the remainder of your arguments are reasonably persuasive as well. I have clarified the name within the article. I will move it back and create a disambig article. Regards, Fawcett5 19:50, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

 * sounds good! I'll start a page for the other David Bauer, the actor.  Thanks for making this pleasant and productive! -- Antaeus Feldspar 22:38, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Granted, it was not a nickname, but you still cannot leave the title in the article. Notice that Henri Nouwen, Karl Clemens, etc. do not have "Father" in the title. Carolynparrishfan 23:39, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I get 589 Google hits for "Karl Clemens" and just 13 for "Father Karl Clemens". I get 502,000 hits for "Henri Nouwen" and 495 for "Father Henri Nouwen".  Neither of these examples is comparable to Father David Bauer because clearly, the name by which they were best known to the public was not "Father Karl Clemens", "Father Henri Nouwen", whereas the subject of this article was best known to the world as "Father David Bauer".  Should we move the article on Mother Teresa to "Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu", or maybe just to "Teresa", because we cannot include her title in the article name, even if it is being included as part of the name she is best known by?  Diana, Princess of Wales to just "Diana"?  This is getting really absurd, and I'm changing it back. -- Antaeus Feldspar 23:35, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * You're being ridiculous. You can't compare the three. Of course he was known as Fr. David Bauer, he was a priest. So was John Donne, must we move his article to Father John Donne because he was entitled to that title?. If you mean that he is today popularly known as such, I must dissent as I have never once heard him so called in conversation. And I live in Canada. Carolynparrishfan 23:03, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * John Donne was best known to people as "John Donne"; that indicates his article should be at John Donne. Why do you keep bringing up people who were not best known by appellations that included a title (to which they were or were not entitled) and saying "See, these people don't have articles under their titles!" as if they were relevant?The issue was not "was David Bauer entitled to the title of 'Father' or not?" but "was David Bauer better known to people as 'Father David Bauer' than otherwise?"  Show me Father John Donne scholarships.  Show me John Donne being inducted into a Hall of Fame under the name "Father John Donne".  Show me Father John Donne Arena or Father John Donne Drive, and then John Donne will be something other than a straw man.  You seem to think that no research was done before asserting "yes, he really was generally known as 'Father David Bauer'", or that your personal experience automatically outweighs all the research that anyone did before you.  I can't decide whether that's more or less insulting than your repeatedly trying to argue that the "don't include titles" rule outweighs all others by bringing up examples where nothing else is ever in conflict with that rule, let alone outweighed by it. -- Antaeus Feldspar 18:06, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I was under the impression that it was generally Wikipedia policy to omit titles or prefixes, of whatever type, from the article title (provided of course it is the most recognisable form of that name). This is the case with many articles: Francis Xavier instead of 'Saint Francis Xavier', George W. Bush instead of 'President George W. Bush', Stephen Hawking instead of 'Professor Steven Hawking', etc.

I was searching for the specific guideline on priests, and came across Naming conventions (Western clergy), which gives comments on conventions for Popes, Cardinals, patriarchs and Saints, but, oddly, nothing on Priests. Unless I've missed something, I'm going to bring this up on the talk page there, so that similar cases in the future will be clearer. For what it's worth, I think this page should be made into a redirect and a disambig page created; it seems almost unencyclopedic when prefixes like 'Father' are included in the article title. Only notable exceptions (Pope Benedict XVI) should ignore this rule. (IMVHO.) Nuge | talk 23:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

 * You're entirely correct, omitting titles is indeed the general Wikipedia rule. However, it isn't the only applicable policy.  Naming conventions says "Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature."  This is why Mother Theresa, Diana, Princess of Wales and Baroness Orczy all have their articles under the names they do:  the names appear to violate the "omit titles" rule.  But as the reminder right at the top of WP:NAME says, "these are conventions, not rules written in stone."  (By the way...  ummm...  what do you mean by "this page should be made into a redirect and a disambig page created"?  There already is a disambig page at David Bauer, which is IMHO the right place to disambiguate between the various people named David Bauer.  I'm not sure what you're suggesting.) -- Antaeus Feldspar 01:22, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

 * If I'm not mistaken, property owners on Father David Bauer Drive in Waterloo unsuccessfully lobbied the city to shorten the street name. Anyway, the difference between (Father) David Bauer and people like U Nu, Mother Theresa and Pope Benedict XVI is that Bauer used a first and last name. I would be surprised to see another article title that used a title, first name and last name. Two of the three, yes, but not all three. -- Mwalcoff 03:44, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

 * That may be true; I can't think offhand of an example of someone else who was best known by an appellation consisting of  .  However, I also don't know why, if Father David Bauer turned out to be the only encyclopedic figure who matched that description, why this would be considered a reason that he shouldn't be at Father David Bauer.  There already is a rule which helps us determine where an article should be located, and it's "under the name they are/were best known by".  Why there seems to be this obsession with removing the "Father", and why people are citing straw men of Fathers who are not best known as "Father" anything, and seemingly trying to find any reason why the simple rule of "the name they were best known by" should not be the one that applies, I really don't understand. -- Antaeus Feldspar 18:12, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

 * If we were to take the "best known" name rule to the letter, we would have President Bush and Former President Bush, rather than George W. Bush and George H.W. Bush; Princess Di rather than Diana, Princess of Wales; and Mrs. Wallis Simpson rather than Wallis, The Duchess of Windsor. -- Mwalcoff 00:21, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Well, when I tried to look up Diana, Princess of Wales, the first title I tried was in fact "Princess Diana", and a look at "What links here" shows that a lot of other people, when trying to link to her page, did the same thing. I guess I just don't see why it's preferable to make people guess whether we chose to put the page at "David Bauer (athlete)" or David Bauer (hockey player)" when "Father David Bauer" is a disambiguated name for the person in question that doesn't depend upon which other David Bauers Wikipedia has articles on and whether any of them are also athletes and if so what kind of athlete.  But do what you want; I'm through with this. -- Antaeus Feldspar 17:35, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Yeah, sorry, I didn't realise there was already a disambig page. I would in fact support Father David Bauer becoming a redirect to something like David Bauer (hockey player). Nuge | talk 13:29, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I've created a redirect from David Bauer (hockey player) to Father David Bauer. Lest anyone accuse me of some sort of sneaky skullduggery, let me explain:  as long as that page has no other history than as a redirect to Father David Bauer, the software should not put up any obstacles to the page being moved to the location of the redirect.  This will, in other words, provide no obstacle to moving Father David Bauer to David Bauer (hockey player), should that be a consensus reached after fair and respectful discussion; it merely ensures that if someone does put "David Bauer (hockey player)" into double brackets, they will get the article they were looking for. -- Antaeus Feldspar 18:12, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Watermark on File:Sir Edgar J Bauer photo circa 1900.png
you could request the removal of the watermark from this public domain image at Graphics Lab/Photography workshop. Yoninah (talk) 01:04, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Why is he called "Father" David Bauer?
The "renaming" section of this talk page mentions a lot about the "father" in his name, but why is it that the main Wiki article does not have a section on why he is named "Father" David Bauer? That is highly unusual and deserves a subsection of its own. Dr. Universe (talk) 01:29, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

 * Father is an honorific title used for a catholic priest. (See Father (honorific)) It is very common and not at all unusual. Details for Bauer's ascent in the church are covered in the section "Entering the priesthood". Flibirigit (talk) 02:36, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Traumatic experience
Does anybody have any more info on the traumatic experiences that Bauer had?

The first paragraph reads: "He was offered a playing contract by the Boston Bruins at age 15, but declined on the advice of his father to complete a proper education. The experience was traumatic for Bauer, who then committed himself to look for more meaning in life and play a role in world peace." But it's not clear what experience was traumatic: being offered the contract? taking his father's advice? completing his education?

A later paragraph places his traumatic experiences at professional training camp. It includes a quote from Bauer about his early commitment to world peace, but the quote does not link that commitment to the trauma. Can anybody flesh this out more? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.126.95 (talk) 15:13, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

 * The traumatic experience was not pursuing his childhood dream of playing professional hockey. Flibirigit (talk) 20:36, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Pennsylvania entering Lingayen Gulf

Pennsylvania entering Lingayen Gulf
I have to say I'm somewhat supprised that this picture is not featured, its one of the most famous shots of the Second World War. It was uploaded by User:Stan Shebs, and cleaned up by Minesweeper and Neckro. Aside from it appearence on the USS Pennsylvania (BB-38) page it is also used on the pages Battleship and Crossing the T.
 * Nominate and support. - TomStar81 02:39, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Great picture. It does a great job in depicting the sheer power of these ships. --ScottyBoy900Q ∞  14:06, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. A little unclear, but it's an old photo... see if we can find a clearer one still. Enochlau 05:50, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Support -- Chris 73 Talk 12:13, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose version 1. Too blurry, and the horizontal line running through the image at one third from the top is a very distracting artefact, presumably from some postprocessing. The version linked at the image description page is slightly larger (800×600px) and much sharper. I have taken that version, removed the text and uploaded it as Image:Pennsylvania Lingayen.jpg; I would prefer and support that version. Maybe someone could even postprocess the sky (and only the sky!) to lessen the pixellation there? (Figured out how to this myself and did it.) Lupo 10:11, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * Support version 2 (Image:Pennsylvania Lingayen.jpg). Lupo 06:55, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Agree with Lupo. New image gets my support. Can we vote on that image instead?— Encephalon |  ζ   14:41:49, 2005-08-31 (UTC)Support version 2.— Encephalon  |  ζ   00:17:24, 2005-09-01 (UTC)
 * Yes, we can vote on the other one. I cases like this the procedure is to place the new, photoshop corrected, or other version in with the original, and let people decide on the version they like best. I have placed your new picture in the article as "Version 2", if you wish to support this version please specify version 2. TomStar81 20:55, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Support Both-- ZeWrestler  Talk 11:57, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Support version 2. James F. (talk) 12:58, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Support version 2. That's a mighty photo! --Surgeonsmate 23:07, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Support Striking image. Not high-quality picture, but that's not really expected given the time period. Kerowyn 10:15, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Amazing!!!--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91  ($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|)  04:31, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Neutralitytalk 23:15, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
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Stereotypes of nurses

A stereotype is a widely held and fixed notion of a specific type of person and is often oversimplified and can be offensive. Stereotypes of people and groups are harmful, especially when they lack factual information. Nursing as a profession has been stereotyped throughout history. The stereotypes given to nursing as well as women in nursing has been well documented. A common misconception is that all nurses are female; this misconception has led to the emergence of another stereotype that male nurses are effeminate. These generalized perceptions of the nursing profession have aided in the misrepresentation of nurses in the media as well as the mischaracterization of nurses in the eyes of the public. The image of a nurse depicted by the media is typically of a female being over-sexualized as well as diminished intellectually. This notion is then portrayed in get-well cards, television, film and books. The over-sexualized nurse is commonly referred to as a naughty nurse and is often seen as a sex symbol or nymphomaniac. Along with these common stereotypes, studies have identified several other popular images used in media such as handmaiden, angel, torturer, homosexual male, alcoholic, buffoon and woman in white. Common stereotypes of nursing and portrayal of these misrepresentations have fueled a discussion on the effects they have on the profession.

History
In the 19th century and early 20th century, the image of a nurse was typically that of the angelic and serving female. At this point in time, there was conflict between the idea of nursing as woman's work and as skilled labor requiring immense training. Nursing was initially considered a woman's job because it constituted domestic labor. The American Civil War (1861–1865) has been thought to be a turning point for this stereotype. In the 1860s, middle-class white women volunteered to be aides in the war effort. These women worked in unsanitary and undersupplied conditions within medical facilities. After returning home from the war these women would contend that adequate care required adequate knowledge, and thus formal training (Nursing Training Programs) needed to be implemented.

It has been argued that images circulating of white women participating in nursing work in the south on southern plantations take away from the reality of slaves doing most of the everyday tasks pertaining to the health of both slaves and slave owners. However, in both instances the work is being completed by a woman. Post establishment of Nurse Training Programs, concerns became apparent relating to race and socioeconomic class. This concern was in the schools not wanting to besmirch their reputations by teaching poor women or women of color. Black medical and training facilities were established to serve the black community. While women were able to now seek education in nursing as well as jobs, race and class divisions remained.

Subsequently nurses began to be portrayed as sexy pin-up versions of what was earlier described in other media, television and books. Images seen in modern and pop culture show still sexualized ideals of nurses while attempting to dismantle the misrepresentation and go against the stereotype. Images today still show a sexualized ideal when the "sexy nurse" costume comes back every year for Halloween. It has also been portrayed in TV shows such as Grey's Anatomy, Married... with Children, and Animaniacs. In keeping with a tradition of sexy women adorning the backglasses of many pinball games, an attractive, big-busted blonde in a nurse costume was shown in the 1989 pinball game Dr. Dude and his X-Cellent Ray. Don Imus, in a 1993 broadcast following his recovery from surgery, admitted during his hospitalization he saw the reality of those employed in healthcare as immigrant orderlies and middle-aged women in hospital scrubs, and joked "not many girls gave up modeling careers to go to nursing school".

Other stereotypes of nurses have persisted in that girls from poor families enter into a nursing career in order to lasso a doctor husband, which was featured in the comic strip Momma, when the daughter considered applying to nursing school, the titular character considered it her long-awaited chance to marry off her daughter to a successful professional. The stereotype was also used on an episode of Doogie Howser, M.D. where Dr. Pressman was disciplined over getting in a fistfight with an arrogant young doctor, who had made a remark that Nurse Spalding was not valued for her professional skills but that she was meant to be on the arm of the young hotshot.

Nurses as selfless and angelic
The image of a nurse as a ministering angel was promoted in the 19th century in an attempt to counter the then widely popular image of a nurse being depicted as a dissolute drunk. The image of a drunk nurse was exemplified by Dickens' Sarah Gamp. The nurse in this image is depicted as a moral, noble and religious being who was devout like a nun—chaste and abstemious - as opposed to the resemblance that of a witch. Her skills would be practical and her demeanor would be stoic and obedient. Florence Nightingale also known as The Lady with the Lamp, promoted this image due to the fact that during the Crimean War, she was known to make rounds at night, treating wounds and giving care to soldiers. The angelic image that comes to mind when a woman with a lamp approaches an injured soldier is not far fetched. This is where much of the selfless angelic image of nurses come from. The idea of female nurses attending the British Army fighting in the war was controversial, due to it being thought immoral as well as revolutionary.

Harmful effects
The media has a strong influence on public views, shaping the way the public values and treats professions in healthcare. In the book Saving Lives: Why the Media's Portrayal Nurses Puts Us All At Risk, Sandy Summers and Harry Jacobs discuss the many ill effects of the common stereotypes and how those are presented in today's media. They argue that offensive stereotypes (such as handmaidens) and sexual stereotypes lead media to overlook how important nurses are in healthcare. This in turn generates a lack of respect. Many people do not know what the scope of practice and care of nursing entails, and are thus prone to being misled by stereotypes. The ignorance of and disrespect for nurses' work hinders their ability to do their jobs and puts lives at risk. Stephanie Sauvinet, a nursing professional who advocates for accurate representation of nurses, said that misrepresentations promote distrust and a lack of respect for nurses, who are perceived as 'less-educated':"Instead of fostering the important concept of teamwork by portraying medical professionals as separate moving parts that lead to effective medical care, the misrepresentation of nurses concocts an atmosphere of friction, disorganization, and unfounded conflict that drives current and future patients to distrust their medical professional." This has impact on the individual pride of the nurse as well. It may lead a nurse to believe they are working for physicians rather than with them. It may also discourage nurses from standing their ground or demanding respect and professionalism.

Misrepresentations in the media
Movies and television shows typically do not accurately portray the job that a nurse does, often having nurses be the backdrop for scenes rather than a part of them. Also, another common misrepresentation is having doctors perform nursing tasks which makes them look more—and the nurses less—competent and thus unneeded. The Truth About Nursing explains that physicians being presented carrying out such tasks as "triage, patient teaching, giving medications, providing psycho-social support, minute-to-minute care of the critically ill, and preventative care such as vaccinations.” The reality is that nurses are actually advocates for their patients as well as patient educators. They explain different treatments and procedures to their patients as well as protecting their patients interests.

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List of Colorado Scenic and Historic Byways

Colorado Scenic and Historic Byways  are highway and backroad routes in the U.S. state of Colorado designated by the Colorado Scenic and Historic Byways Commission for their scenic and historic values. These byways follow existing roads or highways and are signed with a Colorado blue columbine (the Colorado state flower) logo denoting the route. The Colorado Scenic and Historic Byways Program was established in March 1989, and is one of the oldest state scenic byway programs. Since 1989, the program has designated 26 Colorado Scenic and Historic Byways with 2585 mi of roadway, 4459 mi including scenic byway extensions in adjacent states.

In addition to state scenic byway designations, four federal agencies designate specific types of scenic byways:
 * 1) The Federal Highway Administration designates and  (the highest designation.)
 * 2) The National Park Service administers congressionally authorized
 * 3) The United States Forest Service designates and manages in National Forests and National Grasslands.
 * 4) The Bureau of Land Management designates and manages in areas managed by the BLM.

The Colorado Scenic and Historic Byways Commission works closely with these four federal agencies to select scenic and historic byways that meet federal criteria. Of the 26 current Colorado designated byways, 21 already have a federal designation as well. These include two All-American Roads, 11 National Scenic Byways, ten National Forest Scenic Byways, and three Back Country Byways.

The 13 combined All-American Roads and National Scenic Byways in Colorado are currently the most of any state. Five Colorado byways currently have two federal designations. The San Juan Skyway Scenic and Historic Byway is both an All-American Road and a National Forest Scenic Byway. The Grand Mesa National Scenic Byway, the Highway of Legends National Scenic Byway, and the Silver Thread Scenic and Historic Byway are both National Scenic Byways and National Forest Scenic Byways. The Gold Belt Tour Scenic and Historic Byway is both a National Scenic Byway and a Back Country Byway.

Colorado Scenic and Historic Byways Commission
The Colorado Scenic and Historic Byways Commission was established in 1989 to administer the Colorado Scenic and Historic Byways Program. The Governor of Colorado appoints the members of the commission. "The program is a statewide partnership intended to provide recreational, educational, and economic benefits to residents and visitors by designating, interpreting, protecting, and promoting a system of outstanding touring routes in Colorado." Proposed routes are nominated by local communities and approved by the Commission, but byway development is managed at the local level.

The Commission works with:
 * State agencies including the Colorado Department of Transportation, the Colorado Department of Natural Resources, the Colorado Department of Local Affairs, and the Colorado Tourism Office;
 * Federal agencies including the National Park Service, the United States Forest Service, the Bureau of Land Management, and the Federal Highway Administration;
 * County and municipal governments;
 * Local byways organizations, community organizations, interested individuals, and public and private resources;
 * Scenic byway programs in the seven adjacent states of Wyoming, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arizona, and Utah.

The Commission uses the following criteria to select potential byways: The Commission favors proposed byways with both scenic and historic features. Byways with predominantly scenic features are labeled a "Scenic Byway" or a "National Scenic Byway" if also an All-American Road or a National Scenic Byway. Byways with predominantly historic features are labeled a "Historic Byway". Byways with both strong scenic and historic features are labeled a "Scenic and Historic Byway".
 * 1) The proposed Scenic and Historic Byway must possess unusual, exceptional, and distinctive scenic, recreational, historical, educational, scientific, geological, natural, wildlife, cultural, or ethnic features.
 * 2) The proposed Scenic and Historic Byway must be suitable for the prescribed types of vehicular use.
 * 3) The proposed Scenic and Historic Byway must be an existing route and have legal public access.
 * 4) The proposed Scenic and Historic Byway must have strong local support and proponents must demonstrate coordination with relevant agencies.
 * 5) The proposed Scenic and Historic Byway must be accompanied by a conceptual plan, as specified in the nomination process.


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Jakob Klukstad

Jakob Bersveinson Klukstad (1705–1773) was a Norwegian wood carver and painter. Klukstad had great significance for future wood carvers in the Gudbrand Valley.

Biography
Klukstad was born in Lom. He spent most of his career on the Klukstad farm in Lesja. In 1734 he married Anne Knutsdatter (1704-1766) from Lom. Beginning in 1746 they are recorded as taking communion at the church in Lesja, where they continued for years afterwards. In 1747 Klukstad was recorded as holding a cotter's farm that was attached to the larger farm of Nordistugu Klukstad in Lesja. He was buried at Lesja Church, where a memorial stone recognizing his work was placed at his grave in 2000.

Klukstad was a self-taught artist who developed his own unique style. His main artistic contribution came at churches in the Gudbrand Valley, where he received several major commissions. His altarpieces and pulpits were richly carved with motifs of continuous vines with large-leaved acanthus or smaller, curly and small-lobed foliage. Some of the works have a wealth of small and large flowers, palmettes and leaf limes with great variety in the details.

Klukstad's great masterpieces are the altarpiece at Lesja Church (1742–45) and the pulpit and altarpiece in Heidal Church (1753–54). Klukstad's work can also be seen at Skjåk Church (ca. 1750) and Kors Church in Romsdal (1769).

Other sources

 * Kleiven, Ivar (1973) Gamal bondekultur i Gudbrandsdalen: Lom og Skjaak  (H. Aschehoug & Co.) ISBN 978-82-03-05951-3
 * Stagg, Frank Noel (1956) The heart of Norway: A history of the central provinces  (Allen & Unwin)

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Poor White (novel)

Poor White is an American novel by Sherwood Anderson, published in 1920. An episode in the novel inspired Bertold Brecht's poem "Kohlen für Mike" ("Coal for Mike"), published in his 1939 collected Svendborger Gedichte.

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It is the story of an inventor, Hugh McVey, who rises from poverty on the banks of the Mississippi River. The novel shows the influence of industrialism on the rural heartland of America.

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Origin of radical lesbianism
I've tagged the Radical lesbianism section of this article as Contradictory: This conflict needs to be resolved. Mathglot (talk) 07:12, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * this article (Feminist separatism) claims an origin for radical lesbianism in France and Quebec in the 1980s.
 * Radical lesbianism claims an origin in the US in the 1950s and 60s, spreading to Quebec, then France.
 * Well, it would appear that the Quebec claim is not the earliest, but that the 1950s, 60s claims are more accurate. I trace that back to this line in History_of_lesbianism_in_the_United_States: "The Daughters of Bilitis (DOB) was founded in San Francisco in 1955 by four same-sex female couples (including the lesbians Del Martin and Phyllis Lyon) and was the first national lesbian political and social organization in the United States." Cleopatran Apocalypse (talk) 17:49, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , I think you're bound to find contradictions as these are social movements developed around the globe, and they may not all be connected; some of these movements espousing similar ideas may emerge independently of each other in response to local conditions. Breve reseña de ALGUNAS TEORÍAS LÉSBICAS by Jules Falquet makes this explicit, saying, "More generally, "political lesbianism" arises in different parts and times, from ruptures and at the same time attempts to reconcile with feminism. Therefore, it appears under quite varied forms and denominations, sometimes intermingled and difficult to separate completely. The difficulty is even greater if one takes into account the way in which theories travel from one country to another, with sometimes approximate translations - given that the same term as "radical" or "separatist" has very different connotations depending on the language and above all the history of the struggles in each country."  (De manera más general, el "lesbianismo político" nace en diferentes partes y épocas, de las rupturas y a la vez de los intentos de conciliación con el feminismo. Por tanto, se presenta bajo formas y denominaciones bastante variadas, a veces entremezcladas y difíciles de separar cabalmente. La difi cultad es aún mayor si se toma en cuenta la forma en que las teorías viajan de un país a otro, con traducciones a veces aproximadas —dado que un mismo término como "radical" o "separatista" tiene connotaciones muy diferentes según los idiomas y sobre todo la historia de las luchas en cada país—.).  This point could and should probably be made more clearly in both articles, to make a more broader scope.  It actually addresses the issue of different types and dates most effectively. --LauraHale (talk) 08:12, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I see you've changed the article in this edit, which resolves the contradiction as it no longer makes that claim, but correctly assigns an earlier origin in the United States. So the acute problem is now solved, and removing the template was reasonable.
 * Maybe a larger discussion by Falquet might be interesting, but I don't see the relevance of the quotation to the discussion. That quotation has nothing specific to say about the rise of radical lesbianism in the United States, France, or Quebec. To note, as Falquet does, that certain types of theories arise in multiple places and times seems like acknowledging a commonplace throughout history. I don't see that he's saying "they may not be connected" and I think that's an untenable thesis. I probably shouldn't have tagged this as a contradiction, but simply tagged the assertion in this article as disputed, because claiming that Radical lesbian feminism arose in the 1980s is unsupportable. (Btw, where did you run across this? Copies of it are rare, and Worldcat is only aware of one copy in a North American library, and none in Europe.)
 * Where the article now says, "In Francophone countries, the... radical lesbian movement... originated in France in the early 1980s.", it depends how you read some of Wittig's earlier writings and when they got taken up. Wittig's early works like Les Guérillères are from the sixties (one can argue whether that novel expressed radical feminism, but some think so), and there was also the Gouines rouges, for example, active well before that. If the "1980s" date is supposed to be aligned to responses to The Straight Mind, that's from a lecture in 1978, published in 1980. If that's the milestone, one has to watch the wording "In Francophone countries..." and maybe change it to, "From Francophone authors..." or some such, as it was written while Wittig was a professor in Arizona. Mathglot (talk) 01:23, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I honestly think that Francophone and Anglo-Saxon feminism may have some crossover, but sources are pretty clear that they are divergent in many ways from feminism elsewhere as neither of those particular models had to deal with dictatorships or brutally repressive regimes. That historical context changes how information is shared and what information gets filtered.  They might have some influence from some readings but lots of these movements do develop organically.  Trying to assign credit in any one place seems inherently problematic, and it denies agency of women involved in indigenous feminist movements in their own country by suggesting these would not have happened without the influence of foreigners.  The situations in many countries dictate that such change or rather resistance to repressive regimes is inevitable, with unique locally situated responses.  Or is there something I am missing from countries like Mexico and Argentina?  In any case, the issues of influences in a national feminist context are probably best left to articles like Feminist separatism in the United States, Feminist separatism in Canada and Feminist separatism in France where such subtly make more sense without forcing all feminist separatist movements to use an Anglo-Saxon model, no matter how inappropriate and no matter how skewed globally they make the text. --LauraHale (talk) 07:46, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why we use anglo-saxon instead of anglophone. Anyway. I still see this line - "After gaining momentum in the U.S., radical lesbianism made its way to Canada in the 1970s." in the Radical feminism article. I suppose you can read it as causal. Skimming through the source given -- it's about LOOT in Toronto. In the separatist article, it cites Wittig. I've always heard that de Beauvoir influenced feminism in quebec, but I wouldn't call de Beauvoir a separatist. If i may, i'd like to alert you to a discussion on the talk page of Talk:Material_feminism about changing the article title.Fred (talk) 17:14, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Anglo-Saxon is better than Anglophone because there are huge tensions between white western feminism and non-white western feminism. (Which is discussed in huge bodies of feminist discussion inside the academy, particularly by black and Hispanic feminists.) The racial component needs acknowledgement. --LauraHale (talk) 10:23, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Misandry
This movement seems highly misandrist, considering the belief that "men cannot make positive contributions to the feminist movement and that even well-intentioned men replicate the dynamics of patriarchy". Maybe making it clearer if this is the case, or discussing misandry in the movement, would be worthwhile. 118.208.172.85 (talk) 12:25, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

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Seiyu (disambiguation)

Seiyū (声優) is the Japanese word for voice actor.

Seiyu may also refer to:

 * Seiyu Group, a Japanese group of supermarkets, shopping centers and department stores.
 * Rikken Seiyūkai, known simply as Seiyūkai, a Japanese political party during the pre-war Empire of Japan.
 * Seiyūhontō (True Seiyū Party), a Japanese political party during the pre-war Empire of Japan that broke away from the Rikken Seiyūkai.

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Rising Fast

Rising Fast (1949 - 1978) was a champion New Zealand-bred Thoroughbred racehorse who is the only horse to complete the Spring Grand Slam, winning the Melbourne Cup, Caulfield Cup, and Cox Plate in 1954. He also won the 1955 Caulfield Cup and came second in the 1955 Melbourne Cup.

Breeding
Rising Fast was bred by brothers Frank and Bruce Robertson at their Platform Lodge farm at Greytown in the Wairarapa. He was a bay or brown gelding by Alonzo (GB) and from the mare Faster, by Mr. Standfast. Alonzo was a poorly performed racehorse having only won one race on the flat and one over the hurdles in England. Faster was unplaced at her only two starts, but produced seven winners from ten foals. Rising Fast was purchased at the 1950 New Zealand National Sales for 325 guineas by first time racehorse owner, Leicester R. Spring.

Racing career
Raced by his owner Leicester Spring and trained by both Ivan Tucker and Fred Hoysted, Rising Fast's blue, gold and black colours soon became familiar on New Zealand race tracks.

He was a seasoned five-year-old when he made the sea voyage to Melbourne in 1954 for the spring (Southern Hemisphere) carnival. He was already well known in racing circles when he arrived, but his accomplishment of winning the Spring Grand Slam put him on front pages of newspapers in Australia, New Zealand and internationally.

Although many people consider the Melbourne and Caulfield Cup handicaps to be the blue ribbon events of the carnival, racing aficionados generally agree the weight-for-age Cox Plate is the contest that establishes genuine champions.

Nowadays, the Melbourne Cup is internationally known and Rising Fast was aiming for his sixth successive win. Race-goers still remember that the nine stone five pounds (59.5 kg) Rising Fast carried to win the cup in 1954, has only been exceeded by Rain Lover who carried nine stone seven pound (60.5 kg) in 1969. Nor has the race been won since by any top weighted horse, wearing number one saddle cloth, until Makybe Diva did so in 2005. Rising Fast finished the 1954 season with wins which included the Turnbull Stakes, Caulfield Stakes, Caulfield Cup, Cox Plate, Melbourne Cup, LKS Mackinnon Stakes and VRC C.B.Fisher Plate during a great spring campaign.

Rising Fast was ridden in the 1954 events by Melbourne jockey Bill Williamson but when he was seriously injured prior to the Caulfield Cup he was replaced by Arthur Ward. Melbourne jockey Jack Purtell took over for his next races including the Melbourne Cup, but he was replaced by Bill Williamson the following year 1955 he again won the Caulfield Cup, for the second time. He was handicapped with the formidable top weight of ten stone in the 1955 Melbourne Cup. It was a very wet and heavy track, a holdup at the barrier caused a delay of some five minutes, Bill Williamson the jockey decided to remain in the saddle, together with the lead weights making a very heavy burden for Rising Fast. Rising Fast began well, but in the last 200 metres he was jostled offstride by Toporoa ridden by Neville Sellwood and came a close second. The crowd expected jockey Williamson to protest, but owner Leicester Spring philosophically declared it was a racing incident and the protest was not lodged.

However, Neville Sellwood, the rider of Toporoa, was subsequently suspended for two months for interfering with the run of Rising Fast. Had Rising Fast won his record would have been two Caulfield Cups, a Cox Plate and two Melbourne Cups, and those wins would have been in successive years.

When Rising Fast retired, the Moonee Valley Racing Club held a special farewell for the champion, who strode up the straight with a garland of flowers around his neck, while the band played "The Maori Farewell."

Rising Fast is recognised in both Australia and New Zealand. He was inducted into both the New Zealand and Australian Racing Halls of Fame.

In 1971 Rising Fast's owner, Leicester Russell Spring, had his book, "Racing with Rising Fast" published.

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