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Talk:DeVry University

Curriculum
Right now the Curriculum section is unfocused and basically unreferencable. Here's how I'd rewrite it: Vagary 02:13, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Discuss general program emphasis and scheduling (this can cite marketing copy, but a third-party summary would be nice)
 * List major and notable programs (a good project for someone with WP:COI)
 * Discuss notable program details (eg: before the last cleanup there was a comment that they were "engineering technology" degrees, which I thought was interesting and I'd like to see back in there if we can find a source explaining the difference)
 * I'm not actually sure if DeVry specialises in anything in particular although it does appear to have a business bias. A bit like University of Nottingham - no real specialisation.  Which is why I think we may as well put them into groups (business, bioinformatics, etc.) rather than a list of courses, and find a list of courses as a reference and stick that in.  That makes it a lot less like an advertisement and sensible.   x42bn6  Talk 17:34, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

History
I agree that the timeline in History wasn't very good, but I think it's a shame to throw out the details of the corporate history (especially because the organization naming is so complicated). I've attempted to convert the text timeline into a familytree timeline using the hairy (but fairly well documented) Template:familytree. Vagary 20:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

 * It turns out that after DeVry acquired Becker CPA Review, it was restructured into a holding company, Becker Professional Review, which holds Becker CPA Review and Stalla Review. Keller did a leveraged buyout of DeVry rather than merging into it as the diagram implies. And I think the "Bell and Howell Education Group" is a division of Böwe Bell & Howell.
 * In short, the corporation is too complicated for the current diagram. I'm thinking the two pieces of notable information are how the core DeVry company's name has changed over the years, plus the present corporate structure. Any comments? Vagary 00:32, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I was doing some research on Central Radio Schools in Kansas City and see that it has morphed into Devry. I would like to see some of that kind of information included in the history section about Devry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.17.140.170 (talk • contribs) 16:26, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If you have reliably sourced information, it could be added to the article. What do you have? (PS - If you are not already registered as a Wikipedia contributor; do consider registering. It makes it easier to contribute.) --Orlady (talk) 16:50, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

University system?
This article claims that DeVry University is a university system. I contest that claim. DeVry University is accredited by the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools as a single university, not a university system. Compare that to the University of Wisconsin System, which has each university within the system accredited separately by the same accrediting body that accredits DeVry. Some may point out that each DeVry campus is separately accredited by the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology, but that is because ABET's rules require it for all multi-campus institutions. (The North Central Association provides institutional accreditation. ABET only provides program accreditation.)

Furthermore, everything I've seen on DeVry's web site suggests that DeVry considers itself to be a single university, rather than a university system. That is the true test because the real difference between a multiple-campus university and a university system is the amount of autonomy of the individual campuses. --JHP 03:00, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

On the best interest of the readers
"Information is not entropy, a great part of the entropy is misiformation, wikipedia is not in anyway a version of a neutral entropy" --codeplowed--Veritas Longa15:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

The undocumented calamities and barbaric corporate scandals take time to be reveled, sometimes several lifetimes, but injustices find their way regardless in the [neutrally documented] history and regardless and somehow so often these injustices repeat themselves even our own knowledge or negative experiences about them but of course without our permission, think in here about those serial killers, or the child molesters and abusers, now think about of our educational system and especially in institutions like DeVry Inc., what do they need to do everyday to survive?, and how they do survive everyday? Selling? Teaching? what is the kind of equipment they have to train people in the fields in which they do advertise everyday? Microsoft Word 2003 or Windows XP or Google? Can we really and completely trust the media who are being paid to advertise these institutions and the reporters, who are paid as well everyday--some of them now all over Wikipedia? what are they going to write about? Some senators might have these and other questions in a statistical documentation form right now at their desks, and all the lawyers of their fraudulent sub-world would not be enough to protect these institutions and the real "evil-doers" that manage them of their misdeeds. There are officials representing the interest of people, the people of United States of America, and they are already smelling this conspicuous "monkey [educational] business". DeVry Inc. Management and other similar "for profit institutions" officials agents would most likely face similar destinies as their counterparts in Enron or at least they should resign and these institutions should be closed. The other people’s money or those investors have limits and these boundaries come when the legislation intervene to remind them that not all is about some people’s money. Am I Bias? Over the last years the abundance of documented evidence in official records against DeVry Inc.’s business and marketing practices has rapidly and alarmingly increased. These complaints are not only about the education of its teachers or their ability to teach but the complaints have come from different types of individuals and from all sorts of sources. For instance corporations that have been aggravated by DeVry Inc. or more precisely by its management' decision makers; from parents, spouses and other students' relatives that have been disgusted by DeVry Inc.'s broken promises, from students who have and are not being able to both find a decent job, and pay their students loans and also other maladies such as their privacy being taking away in its entirety from them by the DeVry Inc.'s associates, i.e., collection agencies, car dealers, and other interested third parties. These individuals have not only experienced how their dreams and illusions have been stolen, but are being unfairly castigated and punished by the rough 'business practices' of this institution too. The list includes: Professors who are still working inside DeVry but fearful of losing their jobs and so prefer to remain anonymous, Professors and evenly Deans who have been fired unjustifiably just because they did want more and better resources for their students and thus they only wanted to do a better job. The malpractices of this institution are significant; in effect they represent a waking call for legislation to change the education accreditation and reaccredidation process. As more documentation about DeVry Inc.’s abuses are being posted by more people, so more prospect students, professors and other stakeholders will be able to form their own ideas about supporting or participating into these “business practices” of these so-called "educational" institutions doing business in United States of North America or elsewhere in the world. DeVry Inc. until now still operating legally and is poised as a "technical" school advertising as University system, which is obviously not, in many states in USA, However, should be in anytime now to be confronted by the Legal regulations and force out of business.--Veritas Longa 16:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

My greetings to Squalidhamburger and JohnballfullofHam Users, and their paid-subculture at Wikipedia. From May to here we know clearly who you really are. Therefore, I am back. codeplowed Do you want to talk?-Veritas Longa 12:52, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Program Accreditation
DeVry has some accreditation for its Associates in Electronics Engineering Technology and Health Information Technology that could be added to the article if anyone cares. (For the latter, I would suggest that it is not notable unless an article for Commission on Accreditation for Health Informatics and Information Management Education is.) Vagary 02:04, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The statement that DeVry does not meet NYS requirements to be called a University is just plain wrong. DeVry is regionally accredited as a University. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.74.86.127 (talk) 17:57, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Merge with DeVry Inc.?
Should these be separate articles or is it to difficult to tell exactly where the boundaries between the organizations are? If they remain separate, the timeline from DeVry University should be moved to DeVry Inc. and expanded for recent acquisitions. Vagary (talk) 19:22, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

 * support with Devry as the merge target (i.e. make "DeVry University" a redirect to Devry, the reverse of the current situation), tags should be put on both articles for a while first. The table with column header accreditation which doesn't appear to be anything of the sort and the empty People section both look really bad. What is "ABET"? Lycurgus (talk) 19:46, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Estimated cost

 * Proposing per WP:SYNTH:
 * "The estimated cost of a 4-year bachelor's degree at DeVry University is approximately $94,000 for students graduating in normal time.[37] Its default rate is approximately 24% [38] Devry's graduation rate is approximately 31%[39] and its job placement rate is either unreported or unknown."
 * The CollegeCalc source indicates per semester in Michigan with total over four years added together. Cost is different at each school: [colleges.findthebest.com/q/99/20/How-much-is-tuition-at-DeVry-University-Arizona Arizona] is 60. NJ is 90. Maryland is 110, etc. Same for default rate, graduation rate, can look into those also.
 * Imo the paragraph is confusing as school has various locations. Lmk. Jppcap (talk) 01:49, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Removing confusing/inconsistent paragraph on cost, rates as info varies. Jppcap (talk) 01:08, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Neutrality tag on Class action suits section
The section is unbalanced and gives undue weight to negative lawsuits against the subject. Content appears to be cherry-picked to show only negative suits. "'In the context of editing an article, cherrypicking, in a negative sense, means selecting information without including contradictory or significant qualifying information from the same source and consequently misrepresenting what the source says. This applies both to quotations and to paraphrasings.' - WP:CHERRYPICKING"

See also WP:NPOV. — Dm382triuss (talk) 20:58, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Every point is true, and the legal action is what DeVry university is most commonly associated with. I believe that the edits should stay.74.80.51.7 (talk) 04:45, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

 * There are two sides to every story. I say change the section if it hasn't been done yet. 2600:387:15:14:0:0:0:4 (talk) 04:32, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Fabricated citation? Better source needed for DeVry's IPO
While cleaning up the article, I noticed the following citation in § History §§ DeVry Education Group (permanent link):

I have extensively searched for this article, but there appears to be no record of it whatsoever. Not only does there appear to be no article with that title or anything close to it in existence from any author or source, especially not from Crain's Chicago Business; but any article from this Janet Neiman person is difficult to find, so difficult that the only evidence I found of the author's existence as a writer for the newspaper is limited to "By: Janet Neiman" attributions for a few obscure print articles in 2000 which are restricted behind a subscription paywall (such as this and this). After searching WikiBlame to identify the original inclusion of this source, it appears that it was originally added by in this May 2014 edit. Since this citation has been live on this article since then, various mirrors have replicated it for years, which has overwhelmingly polluted the search results.

Given (or perhaps despite) the user's contributions, and given and the aforementioned issues with this citation, I am tempted to suspect that this source was fabricated. Nonetheless, I am noting it here with the hope that another editor could find a URL to this source, even if it is an archived copy, because I cannot. Due to the citation's title, date, and publisher, I suspect it would be a strong source to cite for DeVry's reported June 1991 initial public offering (IPO). Unfortunately, I have found no other source that significantly talks about DeVry's IPO and most of the mentions I have found are either vague and in passing or appear to have derived from this very article (i.e., circular reporting). The best and closest I have found thus far is this 1993 article in the Chicago Tribune, which states:

If any editor could find a better source, please do add it. In the meantime, I have removed that old citation and replaced it with the aforementioned 1993 article, and I tagged the new citation with better source. (Here is the diff.) If nothing else, perhaps what I have documented above will be useful to someone in the future, especially given how many times the citation has been mirrored. ―Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 08:03, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Enrollment numbers?
The further I investigate DeVry and information about it, the less clear and consistent are the data I find about it. Now, I am discovering that the enrollment numbers for DeVry are all over the place. For example, the current source we are citing in the article states the following:

It is from those data that the "more than 27,000 [students]" claim in § Enrollment (permanent link) is derived. However, after doing some searching, I have found at least two alternative values. According to the U.S. News & World Report Best Colleges Ranking (source), in what seems to be 2018, DeVry saw a total enrollment of 36,653 students, 27,137 of whom were undergraduates (apparently 2016 school year data?) and 9,516 of whom were graduates. Meanwhile, TheBestSchools.com reports in their undated article list (last updated 31 December 2015) simply "Enrollment 76,000" for DeVry University. Quite frankly, given the number of campus locations, the consistently decreasing enrollment in recent years, and the fact that student population statistics for DeVry appear to be almost nonexistent and most all are for specific campus locations (between tens and thousands per location), I would not be surprised with any of the values given above. Reporting on more than one value for the same enrollment period or year would already look terrible, however, much worse three or more.

Which value, if any, should I use? Is there a better source available than the ones listed above? Or will this just be yet another case of DeVry's proprietary opacity obscuring public information about even its most basic attributes as a university? Any input on this matter would be appreciated. ―Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 18:45, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

 * No, two of the sources you mentioned - U.S. News & World Report and TheBestSchools.com - use data that are at least a year old if not older. It's quite common for data like this to be a year or two "old" compared to the current date e.g., IPEDS data, Common Data Set data, survey responses from last year (that may have used the Common Data Set data that was then available).  The Inside Higher story has much more current data and should be used unless there are data that are even more up-to-date. ElKevbo (talk) 19:28, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply, . I was frankly not expecting one, given how quiet this talk page has been, so I posted to WT:UNI. I had not seen your reply when I posted it. Anyway, I'm glad we agree on using the Inside Higher Ed source. I didn't want to prejudice the responses, but that was the one I trusted most here, which is why I left it in the article. I'll leave data as it is. Were it not for the lack of clear dating on the other two sources, I would have considered including them as previous enrollment information to give the Enrollment section some more context. ―Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 19:43, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Transfer to Cogswell Education
There may have to be some ancillary changes made to account for the handover from Adtalem. To begin with, DeVry University is still placed within the Adtalem Global Education category. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Belisariussmith (talk • contribs) 16:45, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Request Edit May 27
I have a conflict of interest as an employee of DeVry University. I’d like to request that an independent editor review the following proposal, as instructed on Wikipedia’s Contact Us page for the subjects of articles to declare their conflict of interest and request corrections or updates for independent editorial review on Talk, rather than directly editing the article:

1. In Section: Academics, Subsection: Faculty, sentence #1, please delete:

According to College Factual, about 6 percent of DeVry-Illinois' faculty work full-time.

Please replace it with:

According to College Factual, about 7 percent of DeVry-Illinois' faculty work full-time.

Explanation: The percentage of faculty working full time  has been updated in a more recent source.

2. In Section: Academics, Subsection: Accreditation, sentence#1, please delete:

DeVry is accredited by the Higher Learning Commission and is scheduled for recertification in 2019–2020

Please replace it with:

DeVry is accredited by the Higher Learning Commission.

Explanation: Removed forward-looking statement as it violates WP: Crystal Ball. Added a more recent source.

3. In Section: Academics, Subsection: Student Outcomes, please delete sentence #1:

According to the National Center for Education Statistics, DeVry University-Illinois has an 8-year graduation rate of 20 percent for first-time full-time students.

Please replace it with:

According to the National Center for Education Statistics, DeVry University-Illinois has a graduation rate of 26 percent within 150% of "normal time" to completion for their program, for first-time full-time students who began their studies in 2012.

Explanation: The percentage has been updated in a more recent source and to reflect that expected graduation times vary from program to program.

4. In Section: Location and campus closures, Subsection: Campus closures, sentence #1, please delete:

In April 2015, DeVry University announced the closing of 14 campuses around the United States by 2016 as part of a larger restructuring strategy.

Please replace it with:

In April 2015, DeVry University announced the closing of 9 campuses around the United States by 2016.

Explanation: Change “14 campuses” to “9 campuses”  because when you go to the source it lists 9 closures, not 14.

Thank you. There are more updates but I wanted to start with these. NaturaRagazza (talk) 16:57, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Look like reasonable edits to me. CollegeMeltdown (talk) 18:59, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for weighing in here. It's been eight days since I made my proposal. No one has objected and you've supported the proposals. Would you mind implementing the proposals? I really can't as a person with a COI.45.25.151.56 (talk) 15:02, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

I have added the request edit tag to add this to the list of outstanding requests: the process is explained in Edit_requests. TSventon (talk) 16:39, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

 * I did most your request but I have a few comments:

 * #1 I removed the tracker  from the url.
 * #3 The collegenavigator page in your ref said doesn't say that that it has a graduation rate of 26 percent. Is there somthing I'm missing?
 * Thanks for having such a nice X to Y format, it makes it a lot easer! Also don't forget to log in!  Darth  Flappy   '«Talk»'  18:31, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

 * Pinging . TSventon (talk) 22:02, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

[ Thank you for your review and for taking care of the issue with the tracking code. About your question, it seems the source has updates the stats since I made this submission. The new numbers are for students who began their studies in 2013, not 2012. It is the second graphic on the page. Here is the revised request: According to the National Center for Education Statistics, DeVry University-Illinois has a graduation rate of 28 percent within 150% of "normal time" to completion for their program, for first-time full-time students who began their studies in 2013. Thank you! NaturaRagazza (talk) 17:16, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅  Darth  Flappy   '«Talk»'  14:31, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Request Edits July 23
and other independent editors. Thank you for reviewing the updates above. As I disclosed, I have a conflict of interest as an employee of DeVry University. Once again, as instructed on Wikipedia’s Contact Us page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us/Article_subjects for the subjects of articles to request corrections, I’m posting the following items for consideration. These are mostly all small factual corrections to content already in the article. Thanks for your consideration.

1.	In Section: Location and campus closures, Subsection: campus closures, sentence #2, please delete:

The closures occurred in Kansas City, Denver, Memphis, Houston, St. Louis, and Tampa.

Please replace it with:

The closures included Kansas City; Memphis; Houston; St. Louis; Tampa;, Greenwood Village, Colorado; Edina, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Maryland Heights, Missouri.

Explanation: Denver should not be included. The location of the closure in Colorado was in Greenwood Village, not Denver, as explained in the source. I also added the names of the other locations that were closed. The source is the same.

2.	In Section: Location and campus closures, the third paragraph:

Delete: List of DeVry campuses and learning centers :

Insert: List of DeVry campuses and learning centers as of 2020.

Explanation: I changed the sentence so it reads 2020 instead of 2019 - used the Wayback machine, I created a new citation that establishes the date of the web page.

3.	In Section: Location and campus closures, in the list following the third paragraph, please remove the following locations:  California Location: Colton (Inland-Empire) Center; California Location: Pomona Campus; Illinois Location: Chicago O'Hare Center; Illinois Location: Downers Grove Center.

This is the new list with the removed locations:

Arizona (672 students) California (2,980 students) Colorado (221 students) Florida (976 students) Georgia (1,341 students) Illinois (16,964 students, includes online) Indiana (86 students) Missouri (191 students) Nevada (171 students) New Jersey (578 students) New York (1,528 students) North Carolina (197 students) Ohio (1,096 students) Pennsylvania (401 students) Tennessee (99 students) Texas (780 students) Virginia (436 students)
 * Glendale Center
 * Mesa Center
 * Phoenix Campus
 * Folsom Campus
 * Fresno Campus
 * Long Beach Campus
 * Newark Campus
 * San Diego Campus
 * San Jose Center
 * Sherman Oaks Campus
 * Twentynine Palms Extension
 * Westminster (Denver) Campus
 * Jacksonville Campus
 * Miramar Campus
 * Orlando Campus
 * Alpharetta Campus
 * Atlanta Cobb Galleria Center
 * Decatur Campus
 * Duluth Center
 * Stockbridge (Henry County) Center
 * Addison Campus
 * Chicago Campus
 * Chicago Loop Campus
 * Gurnee Center
 * Naperville Center
 * Tinley Park Campus
 * Merrillville Center
 * Kansas City Campus
 * Henderson Campus
 * North Brunswick Campus
 * Paramus Center
 * Brooklyn Extension
 * Midtown Manhattan Campus
 * Rego Park (Queens) Center
 * Charlotte Campus
 * Raleigh Center
 * Cincinnati Campus
 * Columbus Campus
 * Seven Hills (Cleveland) Campus
 * Ft. Washington Center
 * Philadelphia Center
 * Nashville Campus
 * Austin Campus
 * Irving Campus
 * San Antonio Campus
 * Arlington Campus
 * Chesapeake Campus

Explanation: A May 2020 source, established from the Wayback Machine, shows that these are the current campus locations. While this is primary source, the information is non-controversial, so it should be acceptable. WP: Primary.

4a. In Section: Academics, for the third paragraph, the sentence should have a new source, given below:

The Keller Graduate School of Management offers the following master's degree programs:

Explanation: The source now on Wikipedia does not have this information (the programs). The new source I have includes the programs that are current. While this is a primary source, the information is non-controversial, so it should be acceptable. WP: Primary.

4b. Consistent with the information in the new source, please delete:

Accounting (MSAC), Accounting & Financial Management (MAFM), Network & Communications Management (MNCM) and “Business Administration (MBA”).

 * Business Administration (MBA)
 * Accounting (MSAC)
 * Accounting & Financial Management (MAFM)
 * Human Resources Management (MHRM)
 * Information Systems Management (MISM)
 * Network & Communications Management (MNCM)
 * Project Management (MPM)
 * Public Administration (MPA)

The new list should read::

 * Human Resource Management
 * Business Intelligence and Analytics (MBA)
 * Entrepreneurship (MBA)
 * General (MBA)
 * Global Supply Chain Management (MBA)
 * Human Resources (MBA)
 * Information Systems Management (MBA)
 * Marketing (MBA)
 * Project Management (MBA)
 * Project Management
 * Public Administration

Explanation: These are the current programs according to the most recent information in the citation.. |website=devry.edu While this is a primary source, the information is non-controversial, so it should be acceptable. WP: Primary

5. In Section: Locations and campus closures, sentence # 2, please delete:

DeVry University also has a presence at two military installations: Fort Leavenworth, Kansas and Twentynine Palms, California.

Please replace it with:

DeVry University has a presence at one military installation at Twentynine Palms, California.

Explanation: A current source shows that DeVry no longer has a presence at Fort Leavenworth. While this is a primary source, the information is non-controversial, so it should be acceptable. WP: Primary.

6. In Section: Locations and campus closures, in the bulleted list of locations, please remove the location “*Twentynine Palms Extension” and replace it with the accurate name: “Twentynine Palms Military Base Extension” This is the new list with the corrected location name:

List of DeVry campuses and learning centers :

Arizona (672 students) California (2,980 students)
 * Glendale Center
 * Mesa Center
 * Phoenix Campus
 * Colton (Inland-Empire) Center
 * Folsom Campus
 * Fresno Campus
 * Long Beach Campus
 * Newark Campus
 * Pomona Campus
 * San Diego Campus
 * San Jose Center
 * Sherman Oaks Campus
 * Twentynine Palms Military Base Extension”

Explanation: A current source refers to the Twentynine Palms location as Twentynine Palms Military Base Extension. While this is a primary source, the information is non-controversial, so it should be acceptable. WP: Primary.

7. In Section: Academics, please delete paragraph #1:

DeVry University's academic offerings are organized into five colleges: The College of Business & Management, which includes Keller Graduate School of Management; The College of Engineering & Information Sciences; The College of Health Sciences; The College of Liberal Arts & Sciences, which includes the School of Education; and The College of Media Arts & Technology. The colleges offer a range of associate's, bachelor's and master's degree programs. DeVry University also offers graduate certificates.

Please replace it with:

DeVry University offers undergraduate and graduate programs onsite and online within its six areas of study: Accounting, Business, Healthcare, Technology, Liberal Arts, and Media Arts & Technology.

Explanation: The DeVry University site currently uses this phrasing to convey its academic offerings. While this is a primary source, the information is non-controversial, so it should be acceptable. WP: Primary.

Thank you so much for your consideration. NaturaRagazza (talk) 15:58, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ The edit request backlog is insane!  Darth  Flappy   «Talk»  18:28, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Request Edits February 2021
I am submitting the following proposed changes for independent editors to evaluate, in accordance with the directions at Wikipedia's Contact Us page. As I have a conflict of interest as an employee of DeVry University, I’d request that an independent editor please review these proposals.

1. Please replace the first sentence in the second paragraph of the lead that reads: “DeVry University has been involved in numerous investigations, lawsuits, and settlements, mostly regarding their inflated claims about the employment rates and salaries of its graduates, as well as regarding education quality and loan practices. ”

WITH:

DeVry University has been involved in numerous investigations, lawsuits, and settlements alleging fraudulent claims about post-graduate employment rates and incomes. DeVry has denied the allegations.

Explanation: Adds several sources to replace the LA Times article - which doesn’t mention DeVry at all (or the claims of the lawsuits). Rewrites the sentence to clarify the lawsuits were based on allegations not proven findings, and provides a denial from DeVry to provide a neutral point of view WP: BALANCE. Even the major settlement denied wrongdoing, as reported by the sources.

2. In the lead, please move the second and third sentences in the second paragraph that reads “It was one of the universities highlighted in the 2018 documentary Fail State. . Murray Hastie, an Iraq War veteran with post-traumatic stress disorder, told his story about how he ended up with $50,000 in student loan debt after his experience at DeVry. ”

TO THE SECTION investigations, lawsuits, and settlements in chronological order (after the paragraph beginning “In May 2017, the Higher Learning Commission designated DeVry….”). Update the sentence to read:

It was one of the universities highlighted in the 2017 documentary Fail State alleging bad practices by for-profit universities. In the documentary, an Iraq War veteran with post-traumatic stress disorder said he ended up with $50,000 in student loan debt after his education at DeVry. ”

Explanation: The lead is for a “nutshell” summary of the most important info on the body of the article, not to promote a specific source. WP:MOSLEAD There is already a nutshell reference to controversial allegations in the lead, with suggested citations from many highly credible sources, and a denial from DeVry. The documentary’s specific allegations should be moved to the body of the article, in the extended section about “Investigations, lawsuits, and settlements.” The WSJ article currently in the article does not mention DeVry.

3. Move the last paragraph in the lead that reads

In 2014, accumulated student loan debt from DeVry University and Keller, its graduate school, was about $12.1 billion. For the 2018-19 academic year, the amount that all undergraduate students received in federal student loans was $69.42 million.

To be the last sentence in the subsection “Student Outcomes”.

Explanation: Inclusion of projected university or college student debt is not standard Wikipedia Good Article practice for including in the lead of articles about educational institutions. See, for example, Durham University, Columbia University and University of California, Santa Cruz -- or any other college listed at WP:Good articles/Social sciences and society. This paper presented at a conference is not about DeVry, but the general problem of federal student debt across all educational institutions. The DeVry info is pulled from a table with info about many schools.

NaturaRagazza (talk) 18:50, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Done, with some adjustments. Thanks for the clarity and explanations. Mastimido (talk) 03:47, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

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Gerhard Hanappi

Gerhard Hanappi (16 February 1929 – 23 August 1980) was an Austrian football midfielder who is often regarded as one of the greatest Austrian footballers. He is also the father of political economist Hardy Hanappi.

Club career
A versatile midfielder, Hanappi started his career at SC Wacker Wien, where he made his Bundesliga debut in 1947. Deemed as Austria's biggest football talent, he then controversially moved to play for big city rivals Rapid Vienna from 1950 till 1965. His time at Rapid proved to be very successful, winning the Austrian Championship title 7 times. He also captained the side for seven years and was chosen in Rapid's Team of the Century in 1999.

International career
He made his debut for Austria at only 19 years of age in November 1948 against Sweden and was a participant at the 1954 World Cup in Switzerland, where they reached 3rd place, and at the 1958 World Cup. He captained the national team from 1955 on.

His last international was a September 1962 match against Czechoslovakia. He earned 93 caps, scoring 12 goals. He has held the national team appearances record until Anton Polster earned his 94th cap in June 1998.

Playing style
One of the most highly regarded midfielders of his generation, Hanappi was nominally a goalscoring wing half, however his versatility allowed him to successfully play in almost all positions. Hanappi's technical abilities and creativity allowed him to play as an effective play-maker. He was also very intelligent with an excellent sense of anticipation which made him very useful in defensive duties, and also enabled him to make well timed runs in the box. This along with his accurate shot enabled him to be a prolific goalscorer, even once being league top scorer.

Retirement and death
After his football career Hanappi worked as an architect. He planned the Weststadion in Vienna, which was renamed to Gerhard Hanappi Stadium after his death. He died of cancer in 1980, aged 51.

Club

 * Austrian Football Bundesliga (7):
 * 1951, 1952, 1954, 1956, 1957, 1960, 1964
 * Austrian Cup (1):
 * 1961
 * Zentropa Cup (1):
 * 1951

International

 * FIFA World Cup Third Place:
 * 1954

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title: Gerhard Hanappi


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Al-Safa

Al-Shafa (Arabic: الصفا Aṣ-Ṣafā) may refer to:

 * Al-Safa and Al-Marwah, two small hills in Saudi Arabia
 * Al-Safa (Syria), a hilly region in southern Syria
 * Al-Safa' SC, a Lebanese sports club based in Beirut

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Caithness (UK Parliament constituency)

Caithness was a county constituency of the House of Commons of the Parliament of Great Britain from 1708 to 1801 and of the Parliament of the United Kingdom from 1801 to 1918.

Creation
The British parliamentary constituency was created in 1708 following the Acts of Union, 1707 and replaced the former Parliament of Scotland shire constituency of Caithness-shire.

History
From 1708 to 1832 Caithness and Buteshire were paired as alternating constituencies: one of the constituencies elected a Member of Parliament (MP) to one parliament, the other to the next. The areas which were covered by the two constituencies are quite remote from each other, Caithness in the northeast of Scotland and Buteshire in the southwest. From 1832 to 1918 Caithness was represented continuously by its own MP.

The constituency elected one Member of Parliament by the first past the post system until the seat was abolished in 1918.

Boundaries
From 1708 to 1832, the Caithness constituency covered the county of Caithness minus the parliamentary burgh of Wick, which was a component of the Tain Burghs constituency. In 1832, Wick retained its status as a parliamentary burgh and became a component of the Wick Burghs constituency.

By 1892, Caithness had become a local government county and, throughout Scotland, under the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1889, county boundaries had been redefined for all purposes except parliamentary representation. 26 years were to elapse before constituency boundaries were redrawn, by the Representation of the People Act 1918, to take account of new local government boundaries.

In 1918, the Caithness and Sutherland county constituency was created. The Caithness and Sutherland constituency was created to cover the county of Caithness and the county of Sutherland. The Wick Burghs constituency was abolished and two of its former components, Wick and Dornoch, were merged into the new Caithness and Sutherland constituency.

Elections in the 1840s
As the alternating pair returned the MP for the 1830 general election. The 1831 result is compared to the 1830 result at Buteshire.

Elections in the 1860s
Traill resigned, causing a by-election.

Elections in the 1910s

General Election 1914–15:

Another General Election was required to take place before the end of 1915. The political parties had been making preparations for an election to take place and by July 1914, the following candidates had been selected;
 * Liberal: Leicester Harmsworth
 * Unionist:

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Molucca Sea

The Molucca Sea (Indonesian: Laut Maluku) is located in the western Pacific Ocean, around the vicinity of Indonesia, specifically bordered by the Indonesian Islands of Celebes (Sulawesi) to the west, Halmahera to the east, and the Sula Islands to the south. The Molucca Sea has a total surface area of 77,000 mi2. The Molucca Sea is rich in coral and has many diving sites due to the deepness of its waters. The deepness of the water explains the reasoning behind dividing the sea into three zones, which functions to transport water from the Pacific Ocean to the shallower seas surrounding it. The deepest hollow in the Molucca Sea is the 15,780 ft Batjan (Indonesian: Bacan) basin. This region is known for its periodic experiences of earthquakes, which stems from the sea itself being a micro plate, in which the Molucca Sea is being subducted in two opposite directions: one in the direction of the Eurasian Plate to the west and the other in the direction of the Philippine Sea Plate to the east.

Location
The Molucca Sea borders the Banda Sea to the south and the Celebes Sea to the west. To the north is Philippine Sea and to the east is Halmahera Sea.

The islands bordering the Molucca Sea include Halmahera to the north east, Buru and Ceram in the centre, and Sulawesi to the west. The Talaud Islands to the north are considered to be the northern border the sea, though the Molucca Sea Plate, the tectonic plate named after the sea, extends further north.

The International Hydrographic Organization (IHO) defines the "Molukka Sea" [sic] as being one of the waters of the East Indian Archipelago. The IHO defines its limits as follows: On the North. By a line from the Northeast extreme of Celebes [ Sulawesi ] through the Siau Islands to the South point of Sangi (3.35°N, 125.61667°W) thence to the Southern extreme of the Talaud Group, through these islands to their Northeastern extreme (4.48333°N, 126.86667°W) and thence a line to Tanjong Sopi, the Northern point of Morotai Island.

On the East. By the West coast of Morotai from Tanjong Sopi as far south as Wajaboela (2.28333°N, 128.2°W), thence a line to the Northern point of Halmahera and down its West coast to Tanjong Libolo, its Southern extreme.

On the South. A line from the Southern extreme of Halmahera to the North point of Bisa (Setile) Island, thence to the Northern extreme of Obi Major, through this island to Tanjong Ake Lamo, its Southwestern point, thence to Tanjong Dehekolano, the Eastern extremity of the Soela [ Sula ] Islands, along their Northern coasts to Tanjong Marikasoe, the Western extreme, thence a line to the Southeast point of Banggai Island (-1.71667°N, 123.6°W).

On the West. The East coasts of Banggai and Peleng Islands to North Bangkalan (-1.16667°N, 123.3°W) thence a line to Tg. Botok (Celebes) (-1.06667°N, 123.31667°W) round the coast to Tg. Pasir Pandjang (-0.65°N, 123.41667°W) and across to Tg. Tombalilatoe (0.30667°N, 123.34556°W) on the opposite coast, thence up the East coast to Tg. Poeisan, the Northeastern extreme of Celebes.

History
The Portuguese, Dutch, British, and Spanish Empires fought each other for control of the spice islands that can only be accessed through the Molucca Sea.

Earthquakes
January 6, 2019, measuring 7.0, with no tsunamis resulting.

The sea is a very seismically active area due to the Molucca Sea Plate.

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1964–65 NHL season

The 1964–65 NHL season was the 48th season of the National Hockey League. Six teams each played 70 games. Jean Beliveau was the winner of the newly introduced Conn Smythe Trophy as the most valuable player during the playoffs. The Montreal Canadiens won their first Stanley Cup since 1960 as they were victorious over the Chicago Black Hawks in a seven-game final series.

League business
The Canadian Amateur Hockey Association (CAHA) wanted to end the NHL's system of sponsoring junior ice hockey teams and replace it with an NHL Amateur Draft of players who had graduated from junior hockey. The CAHA felt that the current system concentrated talent on a small number of teams and sought for the NHL to spread out that money it invested equally among the junior leagues and branches in Canada. CAHA president Lionel Fleury wanted a junior-aged player to complete an education, rather than be encouraged to quit schooling to focus on playing hockey. In December 1964, he presented the CAHA's proposal to the NHL for a new draft system which would allow players remain in junior hockey until age 20 instead of the NHL obtaining the player's rights at age 18. Discussions remained unresolved until a new agreement with the requested changes was reached in August 1966.

Regular season
Important new additions by Chicago were Bobby Hull's brother Dennis Hull and defenceman Doug Jarrett, and they traded Reg Fleming, Ab McDonald and Murray Balfour to Boston in exchange for Doug Mohns.

Frank Selke had retired as general manager of the Montreal Canadiens, and a man who was showing all the signs of being more capable than Selke, Sam Pollock, took over as general manager. Pollock had been doing an outstanding job as director of the Canadiens farm system the past few seasons and the Habs were deep in talent.

Ted Lindsay decided to make a comeback with Detroit and though Toronto beat Detroit in the opener 5–3, the Olympia fans gave him an ovation.

This was the first season the Conn Smythe Trophy was awarded for the most valuable player in the Stanley Cup playoffs.

Muzz Patrick resigned as general manager of the New York Rangers and Emile Francis, assistant general manager, took his place. On January 27, 1965, Ulf Sterner, the first European trained player, made his debut in the National Hockey League for the New York Rangers in a game versus the Boston Bruins.

Ron Ellis was proving to be a find and he scored two goals when the Leafs downed Chicago 5–1 on October 31.

Frank Mahovlich entered a hospital for psychiatric treatment under great stress from fans and his manager Punch Imlach who expected more of him than he was delivering. He could not stand the pressure of playing.

After stopping a shot with his foot, Marcel Pronovost missed a few games and Detroit sorely missed him, as on December 5, Toronto clobbered the Red Wings 10–2. Bob Pulford was clipped by Gordie Howe's club when it was knocked upward and it hit Pulford in the eye.

Frank Mahovlich was back on December 9 when Montreal downed Toronto 3–2. Three nights later, he had two goals and two assists when Toronto beat Boston 6–3.

Chicago defeated Boston 7–5 on December 16 and Bobby Hull got two goals. He now had 25 goals in 26 games. The Black Hawks were now alternating Glenn Hall and Denis DeJordy in goal.

On December 22, Montreal traded Bill Hicke and Jean-Guy Morissette to New York in exchange for Dick Duff and Dave McComb.

On December 26, Bill Thoms, who played 12 years with Toronto and Chicago, died of a heart attack, aged 54.

Toronto's Punch Imlach ruled with an iron hand and was really upset with the Leafs play. Wholesale demotions were threatened if the team's play did not improve. Toronto snapped out of its decline when they beat Detroit 3–1 on January 2. Tim Horton scored two goals playing as a forward instead of his usual defence position. Roger Crozier was struck in the eye by Jim Pappin's stick late in the game and was replaced by Carl Wetzel in goal. Ted Lindsay got into a heated argument with referee Vern Buffey over whether a penalty should be called against Pappin and received a ten-minute misconduct penalty and a game misconduct. Lindsay stated to the press after the game that his advice to coach Sid Abel was not to pay the fines and that he would not sit still for NHL president Clarence Campbell's kangaroo court. All this was reported to Campbell who said Lindsay would pay the fines or not play. In due course, an appropriate signed apology and a cheque in the amount of the fines were handed over by Lindsay and he was reinstated January 6.

Bill Hicke, who had been traded to the Rangers by the Canadiens, turned on his ex-teammates with a hat trick at the Montreal Forum on January 9 as the Rangers won 6–5. However, the Rangers lost defenceman Jim Neilson with a shoulder separation. The Rangers got walloped by the Leafs 6–0 the next night as Tim Horton had two goals. Despite the win, the fans were still chanting "We want Shack!" (meaning Eddie Shack).

George Hayes, who had been an official in the NHL for 19 years, was suspended for refusing to take an eye test. Later, he had his contract terminated when he still refused. Referee-in-chief Carl Voss announced his intention to resign at the end of the season, and Hayes and ex-referee Eddie Powers greeted this with approval.

Chicago moved into first place with a 4–1 win on February 3 over the New York Rangers right at Madison Square Garden. Bobby Hull did not score, but the highlight of the game was his fight with Bob Plager.

Chicago beat Toronto 6–3 on February 6 and Bobby Hull's chances of reaching 50 goals was in trouble when he was checked heavily by Bobby Baun, and he limped from the ice with strained knee ligaments. On the same weekend, Detroit moved into first place, beating Montreal twice.

The Leafs pulled into a tie with Montreal for second place when they pasted Montreal 6–2 in Toronto on February 10. This was the fifth straight loss for the Habs. Referee Bill Friday had a busy time with a bench-clearing brawl that delayed the game for 20 minutes. The trouble began when John Ferguson hooked Frank Mahovlich. Terry Harper, Ted Harris, Pete Stemkowski and Kent Douglas moved in and then the benches emptied. Referee Friday assessed 66 minutes in penalties, including ten minute misconducts to Mahovlich and Ted Harris. President Campbell later assessed $925 in fines. Ten Leafs were fined $50 each and six Canadiens players were fined $50.

Red Kelly had the hat trick on March 21 when Toronto pummeled the Rangers 10–1.

The Rangers beat the Black Hawks on March 23 3–2. A great many fans were upset at plans for a closed circuit telecast of Chicago games and during the game there were shouts of "Norris is a fink!" (referring to James D. Norris, part owner of the Black Hawks).

Detroit finished first for the first time since 1956–57 when they beat the Rangers 7–4 on March 25. Alex Delvecchio had the hat trick and Norm Ullman scored two goals.

Playoffs
The NHL required all teams to carry two goaltenders for the playoffs.

Semifinals
For the third straight year, it was Montreal vs. Toronto and Detroit vs. Chicago in the first round. The Canadiens came out on top over the defending champion Leafs in six games, while the Hawks beat the Wings in seven.

Stanley Cup Finals
In the Finals, the Canadiens defeated the Black Hawks in seven games.

Awards
The NHL changed its criteria for the Vezina Trophy, allowing multiple goaltenders to be named the winner of the trophy. Johnny Bower and Terry Sawchuk of the Maple Leafs were named the winners. Neither made the all-star team. Pierre Pilote won the Norris Trophy for the third consecutive year. Stan Mikita won the Art Ross trophy (scoring champion) for the second consecutive year. Bobby Hull won the Hart Trophy as most valuable player for the first time, and the Lady Byng. Roger Crozier won the Calder for best first-year player, and was named the First All-Star team goaltender.

Scoring leaders
Note: GP = Games played, G = Goals, A = Assists, PTS = Points, PIM = Penalties in minutes Source: NHL.

Leading goaltenders
Note: GP = Games played; Min – Minutes played; GA = Goals against; GAA = Goals against average; W = Wins; L = Losses; T = Ties; SO = Shutouts

Coaches

 * Boston Bruins: Milt Schmidt
 * Chicago Black Hawks: Billy Reay
 * Detroit Red Wings: Sid Abel
 * Montreal Canadiens: Toe Blake
 * New York Rangers: Red Sullivan
 * Toronto Maple Leafs: Punch Imlach

Debuts
The following is a list of players of note who played their first NHL game in 1964–65 (listed with their first team, asterisk(*) marks debut in playoffs):
 * Joe Watson, Boston Bruins
 * Bill Goldsworthy, Boston Bruins
 * Wayne Cashman, Boston Bruins
 * Dennis Hull, Chicago Black Hawks
 * Ken Hodge, Chicago Black Hawks
 * Bob Plager, New York Rangers
 * Brit Selby, Toronto Maple Leafs

Last games
The following is a list of players of note that played their last game in the NHL in 1964–65 (listed with their last team):
 * Tom Johnson, Boston Bruins
 * Ted Lindsay, Detroit Red Wings

Broadcasting
Hockey Night in Canada on CBC Television televised Saturday night regular season games and Stanley Cup playoff games. Games were not broadcast in their entirety until the 1968–69 season, and were typically joined in progress, while the radio version of HNIC aired games in their entirety.

This was the fifth and final consecutive season that the NHL did not have an American national broadcaster. NBC would later agree to air selected 1966 playoff games.

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Marlo Thomas and Friends: Thanks & Giving All Year Long

Marlo Thomas & Friends: Thanks & Giving All Year Long is an album of songs and spoken-word selections by entertainment personalities and others, and is intended as a companion to the anthology book of the same name. All proceeds are to benefit the St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. In 2006, Thanks & Giving All Year Long received the Grammy Award for Best Spoken Word Album for Children.

Track listing

 * 1) All Kinds of People - Sheryl Crow
 * 2) The Mouse, the Bird and the Sausage - David Hyde Pierce
 * 3) I Want It! - Uncle Kracker & Marlo Thomas
 * 4) Teeny Meany - James Earl Jones & Marlo Thomas
 * 5) An Attitude of Gratitude - Jimmy Buffett
 * 6) A Different Aladdin - Billy Crystal
 * 7) A Smile Connects Us - Kermit the Frog
 * 8) The Thing About Generosity - Marlo Thomas
 * 9) Unsung Heroes - Wayne Brady
 * 10) Josie's First Allowance Day - Rosie Perez
 * 11) The Little Stuff - Marlo Thomas
 * 12) The Nothingest Girl in the World - Sarah Jessica Parker
 * 13) (I'll Give) Anything But Up! - Hilary Duff
 * 14) Point of View - Robin Williams
 * 15) You Know My Brother (He's So Heavy) - The Bacon Brothers
 * 16) Cheesybreadville. - Antonio Banderas
 * 17) Snow, Aldo - Jennifer Aniston
 * 18) Sing Me the Story of Your Day - Faith Hill
 * 19) A Tale of Two Friends - Bert, Ernie & Marlo Thomas
 * 20) Thank Someone - Amy Grant & John Hiatt


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Talk:INTERCAL

Character name
Oh why oh why is ; called a hybrid? --Ihope127 16:50, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

 * For yea verily, ; is a combination of a : and a, , eh? —dcclark (talk) 17:10, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

On taunting the reader
Why does the article flirt and tease with the reader by declaiming that INTERCAL is sui generis and then coyly mentioning that "select" operator has precdent- and not telling us what "Select" does? --Maru (talk) Contribs 03:33, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Added link to BESM-6. --Leob 09:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Requested move
"programming language" is redundant; there is nothing else called INTERCAL. There used to be a version of this at INTERCAL (at the same time that this already existed) which was merged with this one, then INTERCAL redirected here. ethan (talk) 03:11, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~

 * Support (created) ethan (talk) 03:11, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose NOW we have to undo whatever was done, right? -- Quartermaster (talk) 17:44, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

 * If you want to argue with something done in 2005, you need to open a new proposal. Dicklyon (talk) 18:54, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Intercal is also short for Intercalibration in obscure circles. I want you to go ahead. -- Perfecto [[Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg|25px|Canada]] 04:02, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I've completed this move per the discussion here. —Cleared as filed. 01:12, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

At first glance
In the paragraph detailing the change from EBCDIC to ASCII, "substitutions for two characters had to be made: $ substituted for ¢ as the mingle operator [...] and ? was substituted for ∀ as the unary exclusive-or operator". As far as i know, the XOR operator is binary, not unary. -- Jokes Free4Me 13:03, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope, INTERCAL's XOR (as well as its AND and OR) are unary. You're probably better off not knowing how that's possible.  -- 171.64.71.123 00:44, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

By the way, does PLEASE DO differ in any way from DO? :-) -- Jokes Free4Me 13:03, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Only in that the compiler will reject a program that uses either form too exclusively. -- 171.64.71.123 00:44, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Possible "See also"
I'm not familiar enough with INTERCAL to know if this would be an appropriate "See also", but someone else might wish to create a "See also" section with a link to Mornington Crescent (game). --Icarus 05:15, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Should also "see also" the language whitespace. Snezzy (talk) 02:41, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Other features
Where are the classes and lectures? How about backtracking Intercal? Shinobu 07:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * This is probably too detailed and too badly sourced for Wikipedia, but you can find some relevant external links at (classes and lectures) and  (backtracking). --ais523 08:35, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Jimbo citation?
What sort of citation were you looking for? That Jimbo was a co-author? That his nickname is Jimbo? That Don Woods was an adventure author (that's in the linked article)? That this is a photo of Jim? That M is his middle initial? That he's less famous than Don? I took the tag out pending clarification of what you're asking for. Oh, I see you already made the caption humorless, so there's nothing left to cite. If you're still unsure who wrote intercal, see the reference manual or the lead sentence. Notice that it is not the musician James Lyon previously linked. Dicklyon 16:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I was wondering what proof there was that it was a photo of Jimbo, but since tagging it I've realised why that would be hard to find and unneccessary, but didn't get round to taking the tag off. I know where to find proof that he created INTERCAL (yes, it's in the manual...). I didn't know about the nickname (it's the sort of thing that sets off alarm bells, because Jimbo is the common nickname for the founder of Wikipedia). I'm sorry for removing the humour from the caption, but it's hard to strike a balance between the irreverence needed for INTERCAL and the seriousness needed for an encyclopedia; feel free to make it a bit funnier again. 'Less famous' would almost certainly spark lots of debate about its appropriateness if more people watched this article. Sorry about that! --ais523 08:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Na, you've convinced me. I've reverted all changes I made to the caption. --ais523 08:55, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Apple leaked source code to Microsoft in INTERCAL
According to a recent blog post, Apple discovered that Microsoft had planted a spy in their organisation, and deliberately leaked a copy of obsolete System 7 source code, machine-translated to INTERCAL, claiming it was the latest build of OS X 10.2. Bill Gates initially fell for the trick and seriously told his programmers to incorporate the INTERCAL code into Windows Vista. J I P | Talk 05:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Due to INTERCAL's limited I/O capabilities, this seems unlikely. I can't imagine anyone writing an OS in INTERCAL-72, and neither C-INTERCAL or CLC-INTERCAL can do graphics as far as I know, so presumably this is a new secret flavour of INTERCAL? --ais523 09:49, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it seems pretty clear that the blog was meant to be a joke. This is probably why blogs aren't considered reliable sources; I'd recommend not putting this information in the article. --ais523 12:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Bhatele and Satyarth reference
Dick, why do you consider the following to be a "perfectly sensible observation on a reference about INTERCAL"? Other authors seem to have missed the joke. In one report, INTERCAL is described as an instructional language, with the further remark that "INTERCAL was the only one developed for general use like our language CAL." This paper is not about INTERCAL, it just makes a passing reference to it. We are only using it to demonstrate that some people have missed that INTERCAL is a joke, but this is original research because it draws a novel conclusion from the source. What we would need is a published source saying that Bhatele and Satyarth's reference of INTERCAL shows that they missed the joke. Furthermore, the Bhatele and Satyarth paper, as far as I can tell (and I hadn't noticed this before) appears to be self-published, and not by well-known professional researchers, which makes it unusable as a reference here (see WP:V). --Allen 19:19, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Well, it is a perfectly sensible observation about some authors missing the joke of INTERCAL. For the way it's used, there's no presumption of or call for "reliability", so the fact that it's self-published is moot.  See what others think about whether such a simple observation should be stricken as "OR".  Seems to me that an article about INTERCAL is itself in danger of missing the joke if such guidelines are taken too seriously. Dicklyon 23:13, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Every claim on Wikipedia must have been published by a reliable source; it doesn't matter how it's used (that's WP:V, which, like WP:NOR, is not guideline but policy). I understand if you feel that an article about a joke subject should be able to bend Wikipedia policy a bit, but I don't think that's how it works.  We'll see how other editors feel about it.  If few or none respond in a few days, perhaps we can try soliciting opinions at related article talk pages.  --Allen 23:36, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Thinking about this, the reference doesn't really seem to add any information about the subject; the disputed text is about the reference, rather than about INTERCAL. So it would be appropriate in an article about the reference (although such an article wouldn't itself be appropriate), and might conceivably be appropriate here if another reliable source about INTERCAL mentioned the reference as being an example of something 'missing the joke'. An article about a joke doesn't necessarily have to be humourous; in fact, with something with as long a history as INTERCAL, it has been put to many legitimate uses (probably for not-very-good reasons), and a perfectly serious article can be written. (I wrote parts of the corresponding article at Esolang; although Esolang has different policies and a different style, it's article isn't humourous either.) The basic problem is that the fact that at least one author missed the joke isn't particularly notable, in the sense that it can't be verified (it's kind of obvious from the linked source, but that's still original research). --ais523 08:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Just thought I'd throw these in (from Talk:Befunge on Esolangs wiki):
 * "Be afraid. Be very afraid."
 * http://www.expertrating.com/jobs/Programming-jobs/Befunge-Programmer-jobs.asp
 * http://www.expertrating.com/jobs/Programming-jobs/Intercal-Programmer-jobs.asp
 * Alksentrs (talk) 02:08, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

IDE?
I'm looking for a syntax-highlighting IDE as I've been tasked with maintaining INTERCAL code and am having trouble not making mistakes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.51.122.24 (talk) 15:07, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * C-INTERCAL includes syntax-highlighting code for Emacs in the distribution with recent versions, available from http://intercal.freeshell.org. (By the way, I'd like to add that link to the article, but have a conflict of interest with respect to it; if other users think it's appropriate, please add it. It's the current home page for the two major currently-maintained INTERCAL implementations; the home page given in the article is an older one.) --ais523 22:05, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Proposed addition
How about adding the following somewhere:

 * One website offers "Online Certifications for Intercal Programmer Job Seekers":

 * Boost your Intercal Programmer job prospects by enhancing your resume with an ExpertRating Online Certification. Since there are a lot of Intercal Programmer job seekers, extra credentials count.

 * The site offers similar certification for "Befunge Programmer Job Seekers", and the developers that use these languages,   and states that "there is no other certification system available".

(I've tried to make it NPOV.)

Alksentrs (talk) 01:03, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

 * First, tell us if you passed the test. Dicklyon (talk) 03:48, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find any tests on their site. I don't think any have been written yet... Alksentrs (talk) 23:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

A symbol called “intercal”?
I was looking at Help:Displaying a formula, and spotted, in the “Unsorted (new stuff)” section of the table, a TeX command called. It looks like this:
 * $$\intercal$$

I searched the web, and found it in The Comprehensive LaTeX Symbol List, in Table 23 (AMS Binary Operators). Does anyone know what it is used for? (I assume “intercal” is just an abbreviation; it can't be related to INTERCAL...) Alksentrs (talk) 02:44, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No relationship, as far as I know. Just a weird naming coincidence, it seems... --ais523 17:47, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Knuth has programmed in INTERCAL at least once. --Zzo38 (talk) 01:02, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Code Correction
I've changed the "Hello, world!" INTERCAL code to what I believe is correct. Looks like the original used a lower-case h and a space instead of an exclamation point. If someone could check my math, that'd be great. Kthx! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.42.153.95 (talk) 07:05, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, looks good; the old version was "hello, world", the new version is "Hello, world!". I just checked on C-INTERCAL 0.-2.0.29 (which is less than a week old). --ais523 14:51, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks to the authors of this page
I just read this page, and it was a total crack-up. I'm from a younger generation of programmers and I really appreciate you guys preserving the humor from this most special era in computer science :)

-- I concur. Very interesting. Zezen (talk) 23:33, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Morton encodings
Don't you know that INTERCAL can make Morton encoding and Gray encoding? --Zzo38 (talk) 08:28, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

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So does anybody know why the page was archived when it explicitely asked (via /robots.txt) to avoid archiving? I tried reporting the problem to archive.is but there has been no answer or action, so if anybody knows who to contact about that please let me know 2001:8B0:1A7:4300:95F3:239A:D76A:32C9 (talk) 13:49, 5 March 2019 (UTC) Claudio Calvelli (CLC)

A pronouncable acronym
COLWINPA, for COmpiler Language WIth No Pronounceable Acronym ^_^ JumpDiscont (talk) 16:20, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

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I offically proclaim that I created the term "New Orleans State University" in 2002...

otherwise I'm a dude from NOLA..

Please send your best thoughts to Louisiana and New Orleans.

I will be working (since my university is over for now) digging ditches and shovelling shit unting we get the City up and running...and we WILL!!!

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Joey Goodspeed

Joseph Allen Goodspeed (born February 22, 1978) is a former American football fullback.

High School Years
Goodspeed attended Oswego High School in Oswego, Illinois, and was a star in football and track & field, along with playing basketball. In football, he was a 1995 SCHUTT All-American High School Football Team selection after being a three-year starter at both fullback and linebacker. As a senior, he rushed 120 times for 1,296 yards and 21 TDs from the fullback slot and averaged 18 tackles per game as a linebacker, while helping Oswego to 9–1 mark in 1995. He also averaged 42 yards per punt as a senior. He was named to Super 25 all-area team by Chicago Sun-Times for his efforts. As a junior, he was also an All-Conference pick in 1994 while carrying 123 times for 1,076 yards and 20 touchdowns. He'd been captain of the team as a junior and senior.

In track & field, he was a state qualifier on both the shot put and the discus his junior year.

College career
Goodspeed was a four-year starter at Notre Dame where he rushed for 399 yards and scored two touchdowns – one on a 22-yard reception and another on a 33-yard blocked punt return.

As a senior, he played and started in all eleven games with 22 rushes and he had 12 receptions for 91 yards and making countless key blocks for Jarius Jackson. As a junior, he played 12 games in 1998 as a backup to veteran Jamie Spencer at fullback. He ranked fourth in rushing with 202 yards, with his 7.0-yards-per-carry mark tops among Irish running backs and was on all the special teams. He was named ABC Sports/Chevrolet Notre Dame MVP vs. Arizona State. He was the Irish starter at fullback to begin the 1997 campaign, earning him the first-team assignment in the first three games of 1997. However, he separated his right shoulder on a fourth down fake-field goal attempt vs. Michigan State, which caused him to miss the last nine regular-season games as well as the Independence Bowl.

As a freshman, he played in nine games as a rookie fullback in 1996, working behind Marc Edwards and Jamie Spencer. He made 85 appearances with the Irish special teams to help become one of six freshmen to earn monograms. He had one pass reception that produced a 22-yard touchdown play vs. Pittsburgh and scored a touchdown on 33-yard return of blocked punt vs. Rutgers. He graduated from Notre Dame with a degree in management.

Pre-draft
Goodspeed measured 5 ft and 253 lb and ran a 4.82-second 40 yd dash at the Notre Dame pro day.

Pittsburgh Steelers
Goodspeed was signed by the Pittsburgh Steelers following the 2000 draft, but was released during training camp in September. He was signed by the Steelers Oct 17 to the practice squad, spending the final 10 games with the Steelers practice squad.

New Orleans Saints
In 2001, he spent training camp with the New Orleans Saints but did not make the team or practice squad.

San Diego Chargers
In 2002, he played 12 games with the San Diego Chargers, finishing second on the team with 12 special teams tackles. Goodspeed was released by the San Diego Chargers during the preseason in 2003.

St.Louis Rams
Goodspeed signed with the St. Louis Rams on October 28, 2003, where he played in the final eight games of the season, starting for four, but he did not have a rush or reception. Since Goodspeed joined the roster Marshall Faulk rushed for at least 100 yards in five times in November and December 2003. Goodspeed had his first offensive stat of his career with a 9-yard reception in a playoff game vs. Carolina. The next season in 2004, he played all 16 games with the Rams. He had his first rushing stat of his career rushing three times for 6 yards (including a 2-yard touchdown) and caught 11 passes for 71 yards which were all career-highs. Faulk and Steven Jackson combined for 5 100-yard games in 2004. Nonetheless, Goodspeed was released by the Rams on September 4, 2004, as part of the final round of cuts before the regular season. He had lost a battle with Madison Hedgecock for the fullback position with the Rams. He did not sign with anyone during the 2005 season and was out of football.

Minnesota Vikings
On 2006 he signed a one-year contract with the Minnesota Vikings and was expected to compete with Tony Richardson at fullback. However, he tore his left ACL at Vikings minicamp, which required surgery. He was placed on injured reserve and missed the season.

Post-football career
He currently works for the NCSA Athletic Recruit Network as a collegiate scout. Joey is also an assistant football coach at Yorkville High School in Yorkville, Illinois.

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Talk:Bajrakli Mosque, Belgrade

SOurce, source, source
You ain't having a good Wiki article, unless you cite. 80 or 273, we really need to know. So cite. Give us the real info, or give us nothing at all. Was it 273 ""islamic religious objects"" or were all of those mosques? Or were some of thoseo bjects not mosques, but turbes? You don't mention turbes (turkish tombs) anywhere, which Belgrade has, several of them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.221.90.50 (talk) 03:10, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Mosque
According to the link provided on this page to the "City of Belgrade - Islamic Community" website, the mosque was built in 1575. Also from this website, the number of mosques and masjids built by Ottomans in Belgrade is 273, not 80. I think some other historical information from this website could be incorporated here as well. --Dijan 11:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

 * The research attributed to Altay Suroy Recepoğlu, a Turkish-origin writer from Kosova, states that there were 240 mosques, 270 medreses, 10 Turkish baths, 26 fountains built during the Ottoman rule that lasted 346 years (ref in Turkish). In this article it also says he has documented proof for each one of the items.  Btw, one of his books is called (ISBN: 9751727669) "Kosova'da Türk Kültürü veya Türkçe Düşünmek", meaning "Turkish Culture or Thinking in Turkish (language) in Kosovo".  Maybe some information can be found.  --Gokhan 12:28, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Requested move
Bajrakli Mosque, Belgrade → Bajrakli Mosque – The target is a dab page with three items, of which two are redlinks. Until and unless there are articles on the other mosques, it does not make sense to have a dab page. 90.200.179.189 (talk) 21:36, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

 * Support fairly obvious. PatGallacher (talk) 10:06, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose As after someone creates other two, we will have to move it again. And there are definitively more mosques of those name. Oppose. -- WhiteWriterspeaks 09:34, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. We don't disambiguate for future creations. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:03, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support. Only one article currently, so it makes sense to direct the reader to that one by default. The dab page should be moved to Bajrakli Mosque (disambiguation). Jafeluv (talk) 08:42, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Striking as there are two articles now. Jafeluv (talk) 17:43, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I just created the article on the mosque in Samokov (this is a one-line stub, but I am going to expand it during the evening, there are interwiki links and sources available). Then there is no point in renaming.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:44, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- since the name is not unique, evidence is needed that the article is the Primary Topic. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:26, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

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Ferintosh

Ferintosh is the name of more than one place, including:

 * Ferintosh, Alberta in Canada
 * Ferintosh, Black Isle in Scotland

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Gille Ruadh

Gille Ruadh was the Galwegian leader who led the revolt against King Alexander II of Scotland. His birth, death date and origins are all unknown.

Upon the death of Alan, Lord of Galloway, in 1234, Galloway was left without a legitimate feudal heir. Alexander II had decided to partition the lordship between the Anglo-Norman husbands of Alan's three living daughters, Roger de Quincy (married to Ela), John de Balliol (married to Derborgaill) and William de Forz (married to Cairistiona).

However, Alan had left an illegitimate son, Thomas. In Gaelic succession law, Thomas was a perfectly acceptable heir. Thus the native Galwegians and the Gaelic clergy of the province rose in revolt against the Scottish king.

Leader of Galloway revolt
The revolt of the Galwegians started in 1235, under Gille Ruadh's leadership. Matthew Paris says that Manx and Irish forces got involved too. Thomas received help from his father's father-in-law, Hugh de Lacy the Earl of Ulster, Hugh had his own problems which limited his participation. Thomas also seems to have gained support from Ruaidrí mac Ragnaill and the Uí Domnaill of Tír Conaill.

Alexander soon invaded Galloway. Gille Ruadh ambushed the royal army, almost bringing it to disaster. However the Scottish King was saved by Fearchar, Mormaer of Ross. Gille Ruadh and Thomas escaped to Ireland, Alexander returned north, and Walter Comyn, Earl of Menteith, was left to subdue the province, ravaging the lands and monastic establishments (Glenluce Abbey and Tongland Abbey were both sacked, and their abbots punished).

Soon afterwards, Gille Ruadh returned from Ireland with a new army. The royal forces fled the province. However, for an unknown set of reasons, Gille Ruadh abandoned Thomas and gave himself up on favorable conditions to Patrick II, Earl of Dunbar. Thomas followed suit.

The failure of the revolt ensured the death of the Lordship of Galloway as a united and distinct sub-kingdom of northern Britain.

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Talk:Exploit (World of Warcraft)

This article was nominated on VfD. Result was: merge. See: Votes for deletion/Exploit (World of Warcraft). Eugene van der Pijll 16:55, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

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Beast from the East

Beast from the East is a live album recorded by the American heavy metal band Dokken in Japan in April 1988, during tour in support of their album Back for the Attack. It was released on November 7, 1988. The album features live versions of the band's most popular songs from previous four studio albums and also includes a new studio track entitled "Walk Away". The song was accompanied with a music video, which featured members of the band performing atop the Santa Monica Mountains overlooking Topanga Canyon and the Pacific Ocean. The album earned the band their only Grammy Award nomination for the Best Metal Performance in 1990, losing to Metallica's "One".

Background
Up to 1988, Dokken had released four studio albums, of which the last three were certified platinum. The band opened for Judas Priest, Aerosmith and several other bands, which eventually gained the band a spot on the Monsters of Rock Tour 1988 festival, where they played with Metallica, Scorpions, Kingdom Come and the headliner, Van Halen. They also recorded a song "Dream Warriors" for the movie A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors. Prior to the Monsters of Rock fest, the band went on to tour in Japan, where they recorded several shows of the tour. Those recordings were released as their first live album called Beast from the East, with an additional new song called "Walk Away". While not as successful as the band's previous release, Back for the Attack, Beast from the East entered Billboard Top 40, achieving gold certificate. In 1990, it was nominated to the Grammy Award for Best Metal Performance, the only Dokken album to receive one. However, the band was involved in controversy when Chris Cornell of Soundgarden, who was in direct competition with Dokken in the "Metal" category stated, "I have no idea why they call Dokken metal and put them in the same category we're in." To date, Beast from the East is the last Dokken album to receive a certification by RIAA.

Personnel

 * Don Dokken - lead vocals
 * George Lynch - lead guitar
 * Jeff Pilson - bass guitar, keyboards, backing vocals
 * Mick Brown - drums, backing vocals

Sales and recognition

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Avalon (Stargate SG-1)

"Avalon" (Parts 1 and 2) are the Season 9 premiere episodes of the science fiction television series Stargate SG-1. They marked the beginning of a "new" Stargate SG-1 that continued after the ending of the previous season. Despite seeing the departure of Richard Dean Anderson's Jack O'Neill, it sees the introduction of Ben Browder as Lt. Colonel Cameron Mitchell, Beau Bridges as Major General Hank Landry, and Lexa Doig as Dr. Carolyn Lam. They also bring in Claudia Black's character Vala Mal Doran as a recurring character, later to become a regular in Season 10, and introduce entire new storylines including further information about the Ancients, their links to Arthurian legends, and their origins.

Part 1
Lieutenant Cameron Mitchell sits at Stargate Command staring at the Stargate. After his efforts and recovery from his injuries, Jack O'Neill offered him any job he liked, and he wished to join SG-1. However, when he arrives at the base, he finds that SG-1 has been disbanded, a new general is in control, and he is set to pick and lead the new team. The new general is Hank Landry, a friend of both George Hammond and O'Neill. Mitchell begins the selection process for new members of SG-1, but is dissatisfied with the candidates.

Teal'c is on the planet Dakara, the capital of the Free Jaffa Nation, the aftermath of the fall of the Goa'uld Empire at the end of season eight. Samantha Carter has been moved to Area 51, where she is aiding in research and development. O'Neill has been promoted out of the SGC, and Daniel Jackson is set to take a ride on board the Daedalus to Atlantis.

An unscheduled off-world activation admits Vala Mal Doran into Stargate Command (SGC), and she claims to have something they want. They let her in and she immediately seeks out Daniel. She has a tablet written in Ancient that leads to a trove of hidden Ancient treasures, and she needs Daniel to translate it. However, as soon as they are close together, she throws a pair of cuffs onto their wrists, linking them together. This causes Daniel to miss his trip to Atlantis. Instead he translates the tablet and who wrote it: an Ancient fleeing Atlantis after the war with the Wraith named Myrddin, who Daniel says is Merlin. After further research, Daniel concludes that the treasure is located beneath Glastonbury Tor in England.

Arriving there on the Prometheus, they transport into a hidden cavern where a hologram of Merlin tells them that only the true will gain access to the treasures of the Ancients. There is a sword in a stone, but Mitchell is unable to remove it. They continue to explore further; Daniel and Vala take a right passageway, and Mitchell and Teal'c take a left. Both parties find rooms which light up upon entry. In both rooms the doors lock shut automatically, and the parties encounter puzzles. Just when they think it can't get any worse, the ceiling begins lowering to crush them, and to escape they must solve the puzzles quickly or be crushed.

Part 2
Trapped along with Teal'c and Vala Mal Doran far beneath England's Glastonbury Tor, Daniel Jackson and Cameron Mitchell have only seconds to outwit the Ancient snares in which they're caught. Once they succeed, they have to handle only one or two more small details – such as a near-impossible sword fight with an inhuman knight – before they win access to the cave's vast treasure. Amid the standard-issue gold and jewels, Daniel uncovers a hoard of books apparently written by the Ancients. They tell a fantastic tale: The highly advanced Ancients may have called themselves the Altera, and possibly evolved in a far distant galaxy. The crew excavating the treasure also finds a piece of Ancient equipment, which Daniel believes is a communications device. Daniel persuades Mitchell and General Landry to let him test the machine.

Within seconds, he and Vala – whose lives are still bound to one another by the Jaffa bracelets –  drop to the ground, unconscious. Already developing a keen sense of how things work at the SGC, Mitchell deduces that this is a bad sign and puts the two under medical supervision. Similarly worried, Teal'c skips a critical meeting of the new Jaffa High Council to stay by his friend Daniel's side.

Meanwhile, Daniel and Vala find themselves inhabiting the bodies of two married villagers on a distant planet. Being married to Vala – in even the remotest possible sense –  gives Daniel the creeps, and he learns that the villagers are devout worshippers of all-powerful and unforgiving beings called the Ori. What's worse, the two people whose bodies Daniel and Vala are inhabiting are suspected of heresy against these mysterious gods.

Before long, Vala ends up chained to a sacrificial altar, about to be burned to death by the village's Administrator and his fanatical followers. Restrained by the vehement villagers, there's nothing Daniel can do but watch in horror as the flames are lit. Back on Earth, Mitchell and the others are watching, too, while Vala slips toward death. As Daniel holds Vala's charred body, a man in robes holding an ornate staff approaches the altar. The staff begins to glow, and Daniel watches in amazement as he brings Vala back to life. Daniel thanks him, but he responds, "Thank the Ori". He then tells them to follow him out of the square, and they follow.

Production
"Avalon (Part 2)" is the first episode of the series to prominently feature only two members of the original cast: Michael Shanks (Daniel Jackson) and Christopher Judge (Teal'c). Richard Dean Anderson had left the main cast after Season 8 in order to spend more time with his young daughter in Los Angeles. Despite being listed in the cast credits, Amanda Tapping as Samantha Carter only appears once in a video conference, as she was in the last stages of pregnancy at that time and in one other scene. Her empty spot was filled by guest star Claudia Black. Ben Browder and Beau Bridges join the main cast in this episode, as Cameron Mitchell and Hank Landry, respectively. With "Avalon (Part 2)", Christopher Judge (Teal'c) passed Amanda Tapping in the number of episode appearances and is the cast member with the most appearances on Stargate SG-1. Tapping would later pass Judge in number of overall appearances when she joined the cast of Stargate Atlantis.

"Avalon" marked the first Stargate SG-1 episode where SCI FI Channel chose to cut the opening sequences to 10-seconds for the original broadcast, rather than the usual 60-seconds (this was paralleled to Stargate Atlantis). The sequence only displayed the "Stargate SG-1" logo and a "Created by" credit, main cast credits were displayed during the teaser. Fans had been very negative about this move. On Sky One in both Ireland and the United Kingdom however, the short opening sequence was only used for Part 1 but not Part 2, where a full length title sequence was restored, incorporating new cast credits. The full length title sequence was also used again when "Avalon" aired in US Syndication.

Matthew Walker guest-starred as the hologram of Merlin, and previously portrayed another Ancient named Moros in the Stargate Atlantis episode "Before I Sleep". In the Season Ten episode "The Pegasus Project", it is revealed that they are indeed the same person. Walker also played King Roham in the Season Two episode "Touchstone".

Reception
Stephen Graves said in a TV Zone review that Mitchell's introduction in this two-part episode was entertaining enough to distract what was deemed "a little too reminiscent of the production team's own efforts to turn around the season eight finale". It perceived the renewed encounter between former Farscape cast members Ben Browder and Claudia Black to be "oddly ... underplayed", but generally embraces Black's "sparky, sarky characterization of Vala" during Amanda Tapping's absence. The review notes the strong similarities of the last ten minutes of "Avalon" (Part 1) to Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, and the set of the beginning of Part 2 as a "god-awful Merrie Olde England pastiche straight out of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Plotting and technobabble were mentioned as other detrimental facets of Part 2.

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SNL Really Not Aired Because of Content?
I might just be remembering something that didn't happen, but didn't KSL state that their primary reason for opting out of Saturday Night Live was simply because SportsBeat Saturday was the higher-rated program when they were in competition? It's kind of telling that KUTV passed on it as well, opting instead to air their own sports program. Come to think of it, I don't believe there was any source on the statement that SNL isn't aired due to content, so I'm going to go ahead and delete it as an unsourced statement. (Doublelxp 09:12, 22 April 2007 (UTC)) KSL also did not air SNL in the 2000s: Time & Again on april 15 2010 for no apparent reason so that would mean it is about content there was no reason not to show SNL in the 2000s: Time & Again. they insted showed ReGenesis and DaVinci's Inquest —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.190.208.155 (talk) 02:48, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * This is most likely because KSL doesn't broadcast SNL in the first place, so why show a retrospective on that show? It makes more sense to show it on KUCW. CL (T · C) — 03:01, 16 April 2010 (UTC) but they have in the past shown prime time snl retrospectives why not now and they did rebroadcat it on cw

Salt Lake City News Ratings
What station leads the news ratings in Salt Lake City?--Rossmartin90 (talk) 16:50, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe it's KSL, then KUTV, then KSTU, and finally KTVX. I read this in a Trib article not too long ago. CL (T · C) — 22:25, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Proposed merger of personalities section
There's no real reason to have a separate artilce for KSL news personalities--it's not really a stand alone topic, and this article isn't so long that it needs to be spun out. Most other television stations, even ones with significantly more personalities or notable alumni have the info in the main article. If no one objects within about a week, I'll merge the personalities into here. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:22, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, since it's been about 7 months, I'll go ahead and do the merger now. Qwyrxian (talk) 01:14, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Broadcast License
Question: why is the Licence on here state "Bonneville Holding Company" when there are several videos on You tube stating they are part of Deseret Management Corporation? Just Curious. Videos here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMWaFbeOYc0&feature=related & here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py0-rgm0GVM  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.9.146.211 (talk) 00:42, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

 * The FCC says "BONNEVILLE HOLDING COMPANY" so, as long as it says that, it is what the article should say. I do know there is some activity going on but I believe we should wait until the FCC says who owns it before changing it. --milonica (talk) 02:19, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

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I figured I'd steal that script until I figured out something better ^^^^^^^

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Warm Springs, Virginia

Warm Springs is a census-designated place (CDP) in and the county seat of Bath County, Virginia, United States. The population as of the 2010 census was 123. It lies along U.S. Route 220 near the center of the county. Warm Springs includes the historical mill town called Germantown. To the west lies West Warm Springs.

History and geography
The community grew up around the courthouse and the nearby Jefferson Pools. The Bath County Health Department, Sheriff's Department, and other county offices are located adjacent to the courthouse. The Warm Springs Post Office handles mail for the 24484 zip code. Other notable landmarks in Warm Springs are the Bath County Historical Society and the Waterwheel Restaurant, which is located inside of a converted mill. Warm Springs Gallery, located just downhill from the courthouse, specializes in contemporary fine art. Apart from these landmarks, Warm Springs is primarily residential in character, with many renovated inns and historic homes which serve as accommodation for out-of-town visitors. The Cowpasture River to the east across Warm Springs Mountain draws visitors for fishing and kayaking. Bath County is fairly unusual in Virginia in that it contains no incorporated towns. Nearby Hot Springs is perhaps more well-known than Warm Springs, though the two are separated by only a few miles.

Jefferson Pools, Hidden Valley Rock Shelter (44BA31), Homestead Dairy Barns, Oakley Farm, and Three Hills are listed on the National Register of Historic Places.

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