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User talk:Jeffq/2005

Place-name songs
Hi Jeff - I've got a suggestion about the List of songs whose title includes geographical names - thought I'd ask you what you think before suggesting it to everyone on that page, since you're a leading organiser of that page. Would it be worthwhile linking not only the name of the group, but also the place? So, for instance, the first exact A is listed as "Abergavenny" by Marty Wilde. It's currently linked to Marty Wilde, but could also be linked to the article on Abergavenny. Worth doing? 06:25, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * This has been discussed on the various song-list talk pages in the past. The general consensus has typically been to create links for songs only when the song itself has an article, for three basic reasons:
 * Hyperlinks should link to the most specific thing described by the link. This would favor linking to articles on the songs themselves. (This is the strongest reason, since an increasing number of songs do have pages, and it would be confusing not to know whether the link would take you to a song or a place until you followed it.)
 * Creating links for each geographical name, when each line has a geographical name, would be massive overkill, and maintaining a subset (say, only the first occurrence) would be a significant effort. (On the other hand, most of the discussions occurred before the lists were grouped by names rather than titles, so first-only is more logical and easier to maintain than it once was.)
 * Some believe that all these links would make the pages looks rather messy.
 * That said, there is still merit to the idea. I would suggest that you give everyone a few days to get used to the new organization (which I hope to have finished within a day or two), then go ahead and make your proposal. It doesn't seem to have been discussed yet on the geo names page, and it's worth considering. — Jeff Q 07:34, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

(from Talk:List of songs whose title includes geographical names)
 * Thryduulf, please don't insert your comments into my long postings, as it can lead to lengthy, confusing context interruptions. (Consider what would happen if we started several discussions inside each of the various points you raise in the above long section, with successive responses to each other. ☺) — Jeff Q 15:00, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC).

my apologies for doing this. I've done a lot of rearanging and reformating for the new talk page (User talk:Thryduulf/Geonamesongs) so it hopefully shouldn't be a problem there. It also means this comment would be out of place, but as I think it would be rude to just delete it I've moved it here. Thryduulf 17:31, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Geoname songs reorganisation project
I understand fully. Personal matters are far more important than wikipedia. Thryduulf 18:19, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Baen Free Library

 * The Baen Free Library isn't violating copywrite. All the books are there with the permission of their copywrite-holders.
 * "Baen Books is now making available ? for free ? a number of its titles in electronic format. We're calling it the Baen Free Library. Anyone who wishes can read these titles online ? no conditions, no strings attached. ... Or, if you prefer, you can download the books in one of several formats. ...
 * This will be a place where any author can, at their own personal discretion, put up online for free any book published by Baen that they so desire. There is absolutely no "pressure" involved." www.baen.com/library/

 * —wwoods 22:39, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I apologize for the error. I confused this link with one from the Wikiquote David Weber page that had posted Honor Harrington CD images online. Sloppy of me. I've restored the BFL link to the Honor Harrington article. — Jeff Q 00:39, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Reduced activity
I'll probably be doing only minor corrections and edits for the foreseeable future, until the severe response problems with the Wikipedia and Wikiquote servers is fixed. — Jeff Q 14:38, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm pretty much back now, although I'm only contributing sporadically, more due to time issues than Wiki issues. — Jeff Q 03:12, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

History of Russia
I apologise for my part in the dispute; my intention certainly was not to insult you. I hope we can both put this behind us. Warmest regards --Neutralitytalk

Jeffq - cool photo
I like your user photo - very cool Brookie 18:37, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

More on VfD
''Concerning the cartoon character list VfD, isn't 9 of 15 votes for deletion (60%) less than the required 70% for consensus? I'm not especially concerned about this list (even though I voted to keep it), and won't miss it now that it's gone, but this strikes me as encouraging the "simple majority consensus" argument that I've seen misused elsewhere. — Jeff Q 07:16, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)''

 * My judgement calls are based on how far apart the delete and keep votes are. If they are even, one vote apart, I tend to call it no consensus.  If it is 2 votes apart, it depends on the situation.  If it is 3 or more, then I consider it as consensus to whatever is leading.  The deletion process doesn't mention any set percentage of how much a vote is necessary in order to delete it.  If there were a percentage, we might have a lot of junk articles around... because then a strong consensus would be required to delete any article... -- AllyUnion (talk) 07:32, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Wow, thanks for the quick reply! I'm not sure I agree with such slim margins, but I'm certain I don't have your experience with such judgment calls, and I'm a believer in not being straitjacketed by numbers and immutable policies. I bow to your greater wisdom. ☺ — Jeff Q 07:40, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * No problem. You'd have to consider that the English Wikipedia is very large, and we try to keep junk out of the system.  If you were unhappy with the decision, there is always WP:VFU. -- AllyUnion (talk) 07:44, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * You'd also have to consider, if we didn't have slim margins, a lot of articles would have to go through renomination process, especially when you can clearly see a need for deletion. Although I disagree with your particular list, I didn't vote on it, therefore I have to be non-biased when going through these deletions. -- AllyUnion (talk) 07:47, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Ammolite vandalism
You're doing a great job fending off vandalism to this page. I was about to revert User:Tma 88 when you did, and so I posted the standard warning on his or her talk page anyway. I'll keep an eye on them for the next little while.-gadfium 01:19, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I wasn't the only one reverting, either. Paxsimius, Michael Hardy, and Spencer195 got their shots in as well. I had more difficulty not interfering with their reversions than actually undoing the damage. Guess the Wiki model works pretty well. ☺ — Jeff Q (talk) 01:24, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * As a general rule, "Act like an administrator, so long as you don't claim falsely to be one."-gadfium 04:32, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Re "completely useless" - NOT!
Hey Jeffq

I disagree with your comment "I'm a completely useless member of society."

I'm still prepping up my page, and I saw your quotes/humor, and was thus inspired to start my own set of quotes. :')

Plus I'm sure many of us Wiko's might form some kind of "completely useless" community, so... opportunity for usefulness? ;')

Later

Bwefler 3Mar2005_22:55MST|4Mar2005_05:55UTC

Secret plan
Well, I'm waiting for the Commons to implement their Big Plan for merging articles and categories. (Read over this and/or this for the relevant debate, and what I say next will make more sense.) Currently we have a clear consensus that it should be done, but we have no assurance from developers that it actually will be done. If Wikimedia can't (or won't) make the requested changes on Commons, then there's no point in me requesting changes on Wiktionary. And if they will, I'd prefer to wait until it happens before I fully announce my secret plan, so people will be able to see parts of it working and won't argue that it could never work.

So I'm thinking about proposing something like that on Wiktionary, only more so. I'm hoping to allow a single quote to be listed in several groups (e.g. quotes by Shakespeare, quotes by Hamlet, quotes about suicide, and quotes that are cliche for "To be or not to be - that is the question") without having to type in the same quote in all four pages. I'm also hoping that other projects could link to, or include, a single quote (not just all quotes by or about someone or something), and that quote could be modified in a single place, like a template. But I'll withhold the details for now. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 19:48, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

 * I was a bit confused about your references to Wiktionary, as I was asking about your "Crazy idea" as shown on Wikiquote. (I can't help wondering if it's related to your cool but disconcerting cross-linking of your Talk page(s) between Wikis.) On Wikiquote, I had wondered if you were thinking along the lines that I have — that it would be useful to be able to treat each individual quote as a data unit. I was thinking more in terms of providing a quote-serving capability (as has been asked about, and which issue has also come up in the context of handling Wikipedia song-list elements), but like you, I've also fretted about the excessive effort needed to maintain quotes that appear in multiple articles.

 * Thanks for the pointers to the Commons discussions. I found the vote rather confusing, as it assumes a considerable amount of previous experience on this issue, but your introduction in your proposal made it much clearer. I'm a bit concerned about the tail wagging the dog there. Commons pages do seem more logically suited as Categories, but that's only true because of the nature of the Commons, and isn't true for every other Wiki I've worked on. Changing the software to accomodate a single project seems outrageous to this relatively inexperienced Wikian. (E.g., wouldn't it be more reasonable to provide a capability for Commons' Search to automatically prefix "Category:" for Commons?) But intuitively, it also seems to me that making Category pages just like article pages might be akin to object-oriented languages treating their own innards as objects, which conceptually strikes me as a Good Thing. I must resign myself to being too ignorant for now to join the discussion.

 * Anyway, thanks for the info. — Jeff Q (talk) 22:15, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Whoops! I meant Wikiquote, not Wiktionary. I had "lapses in the synapses" there for a sec. Anyway, thanks for the feedback. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 23:55, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

Spelling Standardization
I want to thank you for debating ME and not my caste. Some of the response I got made me see how elitist this website is. — Juppiter 04:54, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't think it's so much elitism as it is impatience with rehashing old controversies with no likely conclusion. People tend to get vituperous and preachy (as even I must confess to) when they have to reiterate arguments they've made dozens of times before. It doesn't help when people use words calculated to get a rise out of opponents, like cultural imperalism, egocentric, and caste. We're all human, after all. Just today, I read an amusing Dilbert, in which the prototypical geek has something relevant to say:
 * Dilbert: People are so conditioned to take sides that a balanced analysis looks to them like hatred.
 * I would add to that that, in this age of attack journalism, a calm argument for one side can look like mincing resignation. I mourn the loss of rational debate. — Jeff Q (talk) 06:29, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Monk
Thanks for the help with List of Monk episodes -- Blizzard1 23:12, 28 Mar 2005

Semicolon in Crow T. Robot
The semicolon was inserted by the anon into the Crow T. Robot article because in HTML/XML/SGML, an ampersand and a semicolon delimit the code for a special character. For example typing &eacute; makes a "é" character. Typing clich&eacute; makes "cliché" appear. If you just type clich&eacute without the semicolon then it will appear as "clich&eacute" in the document. That's how it looked before the semicolon was added to the Crow article, and how it looks now that you've reverted it. Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 13:42, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)

 * I apologize for my foolish oversight. I only looked at the difference between the two (without HTML rendering) and failed to notice that the &eacute; was not terminated properly. Considering the effort I put into ensuring that I was on solid grammatical grounds, my error is even more embarrassing. I've restored the semicolon. — Jeff Q (talk) 17:31, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Serial comma
Hello. In the past, you've spoken in favor of the serial comma in the WP Manual of Style. Currently, two or three users have been taking out all guidance on that in favor of a statement that the MoS takes no position. They've said they reached a consensus on the talk page. Would you care to comment there? Jonathunder 22:05, 2005 May 9 (UTC)

 * Your comments are well done. Maurreen 07:23, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks, Maurreen. I thought they might have been somewhat overcooked myself. But I find useful discussion on this subject quite rare, and I long for a happy medium. ☺ I admire your patience and persistence in working on this meal prepared by far too many cooks. Jeff Q (talk) 08:01, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Jeff, you are kind. My attitude is similar to yours. Between some problems with the social aspects of Wikipedia and other factors, I've been spending less time on Wikipedia and more time on a Wikicity about journalism. You're invited to drop by if you ever feel like it. Maurreen 08:16, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice
Darn, I thought I registered my name on all the projects :).

Please do leave wikiquote:User:Netoholic blocked until I can get a developer to give me the account. -- Netoholic @ 22:11, 2005 May 25 (UTC)

 * I've now gotten access to wikiquote:User:Netoholic, so please unblock it. Thanks for the heads up.  -- Netoholic @ 19:49, 2005 Jun 3 (UTC)
 * Done by me. jni 08:52, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Apologies
Reading the information you linked to me, I apologize for the additional work I created. I will take better care in the future. LordBleen 00:34, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

Sadness
Hi, Jeff! I was sad to see your vote re: whedon-spoiler, but happy to see you here in general. MosheZadka 17:10, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree with your statement in your vote that a template for spoilers is useful, just not that we need a specific one for the Whedonverse. RoboAction created a bunch of genre-specific stub templates for Wikiquote, which makes sense because people might want to monitor only certain genres to focus their editing work. But I just can't see any purpose to collecting a list of Joss Whedon pages that include spoilers. Dragons flight's argument that it does no harm but provides an opportunity for navigation (which is redundant, given standard navigational elements that make sense, like Categories and ordinary internal links) strikes me as using a screwdriver as a hammer and seems more likely to be an ex post facto justification of something that is "cute". (I agree that it is cute.) The standard spoiler templates suffice and don't add complexity where none is needed. — Jeff Q (talk) 20:35, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Your "hard cider" entry in the retronym article
I am not sure that your description of why "hard cider" is a retronym is correct. I am not sure if it is a retronym. It is true that in some jurisdictions it is legal to sell apple juice, or even apple flavoured drinks as "cider". A big disappointment if you are a tourist and expected real cider. But you are incorrect to say cider was always fermented. The fermentation is a side-effect of how traditional cider was prepared. Cider, was pressed, and contained a lot of particulate matter, with natural yeasts on it,and so it naturally started to ferment, in the days before pasteurization. But freshly pressed cider -- "soft cider", hadn't had time to ferment, but was still cider. Individuals who swore a temperance pledge used to swear to refrain from particular activities, including swearing that they would not drink cider that was more than N days old, where N was something like 3 or 5.

Was I convincing enough for you to agree this entry should be struck? And, if so, do you want to do it, or should I? --  Geo Swan 08:06, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

 * My addition of "hard cider" to Retronym was not based on any evaluation of how the term should be used; it is simply an acknowledgement of the fact that, in some places, what was commonly known as "cider" later acquired a qualifier of "hard" to distinguish it from other ciders. That is what a retronym is. To quote the article on Cider:
 * In North America, cider was traditionally fermented, but that alcoholic apple drink… is now referred to as hard cider.
 * and the introduction to Retronym:
 * A retronym is a new word or phrase coined for an old object or concept whose original name has become used for something else or is no longer unique.
 * I am satisfied that, based on our own data in Wikipedia, "hard cider" is a retronym. If you aren't, you can, of course, remove it yourself. But might I suggest you post your concern on Talk:Retronym, or, better yet, Talk:Cider, and explain your case? You might get more informed commentary and/or sources than I can provide. (I'm certainly no expert on the term's etymology.) And if not, you can feel more sure about removing it. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 09:52, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Transwiki
What appears to have happened is that I forgot to complete the process by adding the entry for the page to Votes_for_deletion/Old/Transwiki and tagging the page; an unfortunate oversight, but one that can easily happen in the midst of a large batch of VfD closings. (When closing VfDs I do not transwiki the pages myself -- I don't actually even know what the process involves -- but only list them on the log as needing to be.) I did not delete this page and am not sure if the admin who did took any further steps. However, I have undeleted the history of Tributes by world leaders on the death of Ronald Reagan so that the transwiki process can be done correctly; feel free either to notify me or to tag it for redeletion once this has been done.

Should this come up in the future, a simple reminder of the error to the person at fault would suffice; such things are usually oversights rather than deliberate breach of policy. Thanks, Mindspillage (spill yours?) 23:45, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Just a note...
Regarding the origin of the term "lobbyist": Prompted by your post, I added some info to the discussion section of the Lobbying talk page (though not to the article). -- 67.162.127.70 15:09, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

On copyediting
Jeff: I see that you have copyediting some of my copyedits. In future, you should be aware that I charge a small fee for my copyediting services to Wikipedia. That fee is that I get to put commas where I think they should go. :-) I use the Chicago Manual of Style which does not countenance commas outside of quotes.  I think that the Wikipedia MoS is misguided to follow British, Australian and New Zealand usage on this.  After all, North America constitutes about 70% of the English-speaking world.  I suppose it is a reasonable trade-off to get some sanity with apostrophes, though.  And of course, I won't fight over it.  I will just ask that you please leave my commas alone so I don't have to try change Wikipedia's MoS (engendering endless discussion about which is fly spec and which pepper).

I'm more puzzled about your removal of my em dashes. You've got some technology that I don't believe I have. It would be handy to have, though, as the written "—" often confuses other editors.Sunray 23:03, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

 * Before I rant about Manual of Style, let me address your second point, about em-dashes. With the installation of MediaWiki 1.5 software, Wikipedia converted from ISO 8859-1 page encoding to UTF-8 (Unicode). I'm no expert on this topic, but it's my understanding that changing HTML special characters to Unicode characters avoids some problems, and as you say, it helps editing readability. For easy input, a large selection of clickable characters is provided below page-edit boxes for those of us who don't have nice keys for these and who haven't finger-memorized the Unicode numbers. Em-dash, en-dash, and h-ellipsis are included in that set.

 * Now about Wikipedia style… If you wish to use CMoS style, I recommend you submit your résumé to the University of Chicago Press. Every publication and publisher in existence has a formal or informal set of style practices, and they are completely justified in enforcing it within their domain. Wikipedia's is Manual of Style, and it is determine by its editors (i.e., the entire Wikipedia community). Many people who go to work at UCP or other publishers find themselves having to adopt style practices that are in variance with what they learned in school (and what they often believe, incorrectly, is "the" right way). This is true in both the U.S. and UK, with each having a mass of conflicting style practices even within their own borders. (It is only extreme parochialism, down to the specific schools in which they were taught, that causes people to think there is a single "right" way.) The only way to make a worldwide publication like Wikipedia work is to accept that your practices (and my practices) are not the "right" way for WP; only WP can decide what is right, in exactly the same fashion it establishes solid articles — through community revision and compromise. In all likelihood, any practice you cite can be traced to similar historical compromises made among earlier editing groups.

 * Like so many others, you assume that any style change in variance with your understanding is some kind of foreign conspiracy, while ignoring the fact that much of the style practices follow U.S. guidelines. That's what we call "compromise". (By the way, I'm American, so I learned many of the same practices you did, including the comma and period stuff.) One particular point which is always missed by folks on either side of the "pond" is that WP specifies American quote marks ("double quotes", with "single quotes" inside when needed), but specifies British exclusion of commas and periods in quotations except when forming a complete sentence. To quote the very first line of WP:MOS: "With quotation marks we split the difference between American and British usage." (Note the inclusion in that last sentence of the period for a complete sentence. Wiki wars have been fought over this kind of detail.) Invariably, Yanks will whine about the comma placement, and Brits will whinge about the quote marks. Both will disingenously ignore the compromises made in their favor.

 * You cite a SWAG about how much of the English-speaking world is in North America without documentation. I've seen this all before. The folks that do provide such documentation frequently quote contradicting studies, so even sourced statistics cannot be trusted. Worse, you imply that North America has some kind of homogeneous writing style, which is absolutely absurd. If you'd take the trouble to read the virtual reams of discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style and its archives (which I have), you'd find that not only do the U.S. and Canada vary considerably in details, but regions within the U.S. also have conflicting practices, to say nothing of the clear contradictions visible in any quick reading of the many competing U.S. authorities like CMoS, AP, NY Times, Strunk & White, U.S. Government, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

 * You threaten to change WP:MOS? I dare you to try! At any given time, you'll find dozens of vicious editors who will rip you to shreds for moving commas, changing spellings, altering cases, and even tweaking adjectives that describe how one should approach any topic. I know; I've participated in those battles. To quote John Lennon, "You tell me it's the institution / Well you know / You better free your mind instead". (Note the unpunctuated lyrical style, with period outside quotes. As far as I know, even WP:MOS hasn't addressed this topic yet.)

 * I know I've rambled for quite a bit, but this is nothing compared to the essays you'll find if you get involved in even the tiniest aspects of WP:MOS. To paraphrase Dante, "Abandon all hope, ye who enter there." It's better just to accept that hundreds (thousands?) of people have worked for many years on WP:MOS, and have come to a fairly stable compromise. Don't try to rock that boat unless you wish to make style revision a second career! ☺ ~ Jeff Q (talk) 00:08, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you for your response. As a Canadian editor, I am somewhat sensitive to the vagaries of English writing style, buffeted as we are between two, shall we say, "expansive" English-speaking nations.  You assume that I believe that there is a "right" way to place commas and other punctuation. Well, yes and no.  I rather like the admonition on the introduction page of the MoS (ironically from the ''Chicago Manual of Style):

 * "Rules and regulations such as these, in the nature of the case, cannot be endowed with the fixity of rock-ribbed law. They are meant for the average case, and must be applied with a certain degree of elasticity."

 * The MoS is a guideline, not a policy. Yet it is remarkably resistant to change, as you point out.  However, it is often not as authoritative as a good manual of style, like CMS.  Here's an interesting commentary on the problem of wayward commas from CMS Online:

 * Q. Apparently Americans enclose periods commas inside quotation marks, but do the British do it that way too?

 * A. In what is sometimes called the British style (see paragraph 6.10), only those punctuation points that appeared in the original material should be included within the quotation marks; all others follow the closing quotation marks. This system works best with single quotation marks. (The British tend to use double quotation marks only for quotations within quotations.) (Emphasis mine.)

 * From looking over your work, I note that you are a conscientious editor. If you've seen mine you will note that I also work hard at it.  I think that we who seek to improve Wikipedia should be able to do so for the most part without conflict with others on the same path.  So, I wish to reiterate my earlier request that you keep you hands off my commas.  I use it as a teaching tool for young folk who quote me the Wikipedia MoS.  We agree on many things, could we agree on that? Sunray 00:58, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Curious category
Hi, Jeff. May I point you to the discussion on Talk:Saffron (Firefly), where your categorization of Saffron as gay/bi is debated? Thanks MosheZadka 15:41, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Not my categorization; Kuralyov added that tag. But I'll chime in there. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 18:01, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Saffron (disambiguation)
After reviewing WP:MOS(dab), restoring 3 links seemed appropriate.

"Unlike a regular article page, don't wikilink any other words in the line, unless they may be essential to help the reader determine which page they are looking for; these pages aren't for exploration, but only to help the user navigate to a specific place."

??? —jiy (talk) 18:36, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

 * Continuing your quote at the very next word of Manual of Style (disambiguation pages):

 * Thus:
 * "Dark Star", a song by the Grateful Dead — or — "Dark Star", a song by The Grateful Dead
 * not: "Dark Star", a song by the psychedelic rock band The Grateful Dead

 * The examples make clear that a reasonable link to a directly relevant topic (i.e., Republica, etc., here) is appropriate (although not required), whereas the former link "given (first) name" and links for any other less directly relevant phrases like "lead singer" or "sitcom" would be inappropriate. Per your urging in the edit summary, I actually read that whole section of WP:MOS(dab) (in fact, the entire policy page), and reviewed the page's contents before your edit to see what you'd changed, before making my update.

 * My words in my own edit summary, as you have quoted above, were just as carefully chosen as the links themselves. Please read them again and compare them to the cited examples. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 21:33, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I too have read the WP:MOS(dab) page front and back, but don't do so daily. That  clause was added only recently (August 15) and I wasn't aware it existed. Personally I don't agree with it — linking to The Grateful Dead is not essential to direct someone to the specific place Dark Star, just as Pokémon is not essential to direct someone to Saffron City. It is my belief that when someone enters "Saffron" in the search box, they have a specific article in mind and care about little else. That clause was only added to satiate the few who dispute the one-wikilink-per-line guideline; there is a long and winding debate over that at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages). Unfortunately, the discussion is dominated by only one or two dissenters. Since you seem to support multiple-wikilinks-per-line, I suggest you explain your reasoning there, if you wish.
 * In any case, thank you for reading the MoS page. Not many people even know it exists, they simply revert the page to suite their own standards (hence my bustling edit summary). I'm sorry for the confusion. —jiy (talk) 07:59, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * I was afraid that might be the case. One can get used to a policy only to find it thwarted later by other strong opinions. (I spent several months participating in MoS wars last year and found it rather pointless, because the strident types fail to realize that their stridency rarely accomplishes anything in the long run, unless they make a life commitment to a topic.) I've exceeded my interest level on this particular style issue, so I'll take Saffron(dab) off my watchlist, let things proceed as they may, and exercise restraint in the future. Thank you for the illumination. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 15:05, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Firefly → Outlaw Star
Ah, now I understand your point. It's true that Hilda sought Melfina for reasons of profit, while Simon sought River out of love, but those weren't the forces I meant. I was referring to both the Space Forces (for Outlaw Star) and the Alliance (for Firefly) who both sought to reclaim their stolen creation. -- Staxringold (Talk)

 * Yes, that achieves the first part of the parallel in the Firefly article, "that causes forces to pursue them", but I was looking for the second half, "encourages others to aid their flight". Is there any parallel to the underground movement, or is it just Hilda and the Outlaw Star crew? Am I just reaching too far? ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:38, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Ahhhhh, nonono, that is where the XGP/Serenity come into it. I'll reword the section to be clearer, what I meant was:

 * Both 'built' into what they are by government
 * Both stolen by people seeking profit (The underground group got Simon's help, Hilda get's whatever she thinks the Galactic Leyline is)
 * Both are pursued by the forces that 'built' them (The Alliance and The Space Forces)
 * Both inadvertantly end up in the ship of someone other than the person who stole them who end up aided their flight for tertiary reasons (Gene falls in love with Melfina and feels a need to solve the mysteries behind Hilda and her death, Simon proves himself useful and so Reynolds protects him and his sister) Staxringold 02:46, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Ah, no the editing is fine (it was pretty late for me to be adding major portions), I have just one note. Meria is not a speculative first name, it is the released name for the character, it's on IMDB, and confirmed by the early screenings of the film back in May. Staxringold 15:31, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Ooops
Ahh sorry about that. I realised what mistake I'd done but then didn't leave myself much time to fix it. Yeah, daft idea I know. I think my original intention was to get rid of the "(Firefly)" from the Category page. Cheers for that though — Cua HL   09:06, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Quotes
Hi! I just want to say that I enjoyed your quotes very much, they're simply great. I'm going to take some of your quotes to my Quote of the week page ond the Serbian Wikipedia, so you'll find yourself in (not so) chosen company of Albert Einstein, Mark Twain, and my showinist-male-hating-feminist proffesor of Statistics :) -- Obradović Goran ( t al k  00:48, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Why, thank you. I'm quite honored to be considered quoteworthy (by someone other than myself, that is ☺). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 03:08, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Willow's "Wizard of Oz" quote
Hi, JeffQ! Thanks for the clarification and correction. I truly do appreciate it. When I started disambig'ing The Wizard of Oz I thought--wow, this one should be really straightforward. Boy, was I wrong. The articles directly related to Baum's book were obvious. Several others, such as the Buffy article, were troublesome and I hoped that a keen observer would quickly jump in for an assist. I defer to your obvious mastery of quotations ;-)!!!! There were a couple of other articles related to Dorothy's infamous "Kansas" quote that I attributed to the 1939 film--which I believe is in line with what you have stated. If not, please let me know :-). Have a great weekend!! - Roby Wayne Talk •  Hist 12:01, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Dawn's hair
RE Restless (Buffy episode):

Boy, are you a quick reverter! But come on, it's Dawn and deep down you know :) It's generally agreed on the fan-forums, but if you are waiting for a written statement by Michelle, forget about it. Now more seriously, I have contributed a lot to project Buffy and I believe I deserve some more leeway. It's annoying to have changes reverted so fast and furiously.

Abaraibar 21:52, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Sorry, Abaraibar. My "unsourced" reversions aren't based on edit times, personalities, or reputations. Fan speculation, no matter how substantial, isn't a reputable source. You're right that I want it to be Dawn, but without the face, the willowy girl with the long hair could be any of a million California girls (or, more accurately, a thousand aspiring young actresses). I'll take a statement from Michelle, Joss, any of the crew, or a credit buried somewhere in the DVD — even an outtake where the girl accidentally revealed her face and it was cut for being too obvious (or obviously not) — but it's gotta be sourced or it's speculative original research. If you're so anxious to help Buffy work on Wikipedia, why don't you help me clean up the 144 existing articles to provide some common structure that follows Wikipedia style guidelines? Besides the Pretentious Capitalization of Headers, I can't tell you how many erroneous "episode X of season Y", previous and next episode links, and other simple problems I've fixed when all I was trying to do was add Wikiquote links for each specific episode. There's plenty of work left even on this basic stuff. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 00:26, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I wish I had more time to dedicate to it, but I can only log in every now and then to write plot outlines, mostly right after watching some eps for the umpteenth time. I know I ought to add links, but there's plenty of people willing to do that and I prefer to focus on the plot itself. It's amazing how many of them write about what should be done and then just chip in to make small changes such as these (don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about you, you seem to have done some good work :) Oh and it is Dawn. Abaraibar 08:07, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Don't mean to get on your case about links. You're quite right; WP's strength is the availability of editors to add finishing touches like links. Oh, and I still say you need to prove it's Dawn. ☺ ~ Jeff Q (talk) 08:11, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

OMWF
(There is no objective criterion for adding quotes.) Yes, there is. Quotes ought to be ilustrative of the topic in question. "What else would I pump you for" is neither relevant to the episode, nor particularly specific to Buffy. The two you've added, however, are much more appropriate: a small joke refering to the state of things, and a (rare, if not the only, in the show...?) instance of fourth-wall-breaking that refers to the series' schedule. So, as I see it at least: putting up random jokes and fan favourites = t3h suck; putting up quotes that either reveal something of significance about the characters, story archs, or are simply distinguishable for one trait or other = t3h gr34t. Am I very wrong? Cheers, Zeppocity 19:18, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

 * It's still subjective — you yourself say "as I see it". But I happen to agree with your criteria for Wikipedia use. (That's why I didn't restore the "pump you" quote.) Perhaps we can encourage fans to add other quotes to Wikiquote, where fan favorites are welcomed. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 19:43, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I feel strongly enough about it to reckon it should be made into a semi-official policy to have that sort of care. But anyway, yes. What you say makes sense, and I for one have been making the effort of adding the sort of quotes I think are more appropriate to some Buffystuff. Anyway, Zeppocity 20:36, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Welcome to WikiProject Buffy
Hi, Jeff. I noticed you added yourself to WikiProject Buffy. Welcome! MosheZadka 11:24, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey JeffQ
Sorry about deleting that user's comments. I thought I read somewhere that any comments involving "personal attack" were grounds to delete. No big though. Sorry if I offended anyone. I did try several times to reply in a calm and logical manner to this user and very recently an unspoken compromise as HE calls it. I just feel that this site should be where all viewpoints are respected (his, mione, anyone's) and should not be met with namecalling and put-downs. I was forced at the very end to respond back with some jabs because of the other users provocation. I just hope that the next person this user gets into a "debate" with (and I hardly call it a debate as it was childish and pointless) has as much patience as I used with this user. Thanks. -UltimateBuffyfan (chris) 15:44, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Godzilla Cleanup
I took another look at the Godzilla, King Of The Monsters article, about which you sent me a message. I’m not sure what I intended when I put the cleanup tag on it. It might have been just because the article has no references, sources, and external links. Anyway, I removed the cleanup tag. Thanks for the update. ♠DanMS 00:08, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Mateusc

 *

 * I want know why you calls me "fraudulent" and "vandal" in other places of the Internet. When I created Reirom article I looked to inform of a neutral form and mature about a nickname with 7.410 entries on Google. I sincerely find that people as you they only delay the Wikipedia and becomes it still more monotonous - fighting against facts that bother you and your sence of right things.

 * Not, I don't go create article again - but now I am certain that cowards as you they do not hinder a phenomenon to exist - only reveal bothered for that they would like to be.

Thanks. --Mateusc 16:18, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Mateusc, I find it quite incomprehensible how you can call me a "coward" and then thank me for my attention. Does anyone else even bother to respond to this Jekyll/Hyde approach? If you wish to discuss a Wikiquote issue, please bring it up on Wikiquote. I will not dignify your illiterate rant, which misrepresents my role in that discussion and completely omits the reasons for Reirom's poor reception (some of which are alluded to in your citation), with a comprehensive response. I will remove any further attempts to reargue this non-Wikipedia issue on my Wikipedia talk page, but I'll leave this note (as well as your original posting) here as a brief explanation of why. (I also changed the heading to a more topical "Mateusc", because "Me" is as breathtakingly egotistical as it is ambiguous in a table of contents.) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:11, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Snow globe
I did not make the artcle, but merged it from another that was under "snowglobes" --Nalos6 23:01, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Ah, I hadn't noticed your merger from Snow globes. I'll have to repeat my request to the anonymous user who wrote it. One suggestion: it's good practice (and a supposed requirement, I believe) to add a note about the contributing editor(s) for material merged into a new article. When there's just one author, you can simply give their name (or IP address, for anons) in the edit summary for your merger. If the article has a significant history, standard practice is to add a section to the talk page of the destination article, like the one I just added to Talk:Snow globe, that lists the edit history of the article up to the merger. That provides two important things:
 * Someone researching the provenance of information in an article can easily spot outside influences.
 * Per GFDL requirements, contributing authors get credit for their material.
 * — Jeff Q (talk) 03:13, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

AfD inbalance

 * "I just realized there's an institutional imbalance in the tension between Keepers and Deleters of Wikipedia articles. Someone can renominate an article for deletion over and over again, as long as there's some unspecified minimal delay between nominations, but if one time, the interested parties miss the vote window, the article is deleted and can never be recreated without being speedy-deletion bait. This means that anyone on a crusade to rid WP of controversial articles need only be persistent, and they're likely to win, whereas someone fighting to keep such an article loses forever with one negative vote. This troubles me"

You put into words very well something I've been thinking about ever since I saw the article up for deletion a third time from an anonymous nominator. I think you should raise this somewhere (AfD talk? Village pump?), it is a very important point. Turnstep 21:10, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Robert Perloff
Thanks for the note. I hope you'll vote to keep. Seems as if some stubsorter is a little trigger-happy with the vanity tag. PS: like the shirt! Jokestress 09:25, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm jumping on a plane shortly, so I'll let the fate of Perloff and that book rest in the hands of others. I agree that book article is pretty weak, though I'd argue that the writers examined are almost all notable. I've not had dealings with AFD on an article I started before, but my tendency is to be extremely inclusionist in comparison to the average Wikipedian. Jokestress 11:10, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Firefly
I was thinking that it may be interesting for you to look at some Orbiter (sim) fans recreating Serenity...

Off the Net notice
My trusty laptop has finally bit the dust, so I'm off the Net until further notice. I may drop in here and there, but I don't expect to be back up full-time for 2-7 days. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 17:31, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm still not back up completely, and won't be for probably another week at least. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:22, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm finally back on the Net full-time again (more or less). I have a month or so of backlog to catch up on, though, so please be patient with me. Thanks. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:00, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Reavers
My appologies, I was attempting to revert an anonymous change to 10%, but somehow messed up and changed it to 10%--SirNuke 18:40, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

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Sinodelphys

Sinodelphys is an extinct mammal from the Early Cretaceous, estimated to be 125 million years old. It was discovered and described in 2003 in rocks of the Yixian Formation in Liaoning Province, China, by a team of scientists including Zhe-Xi Luo and John Wible. While initially suggested to be the oldest known metatherian, later studies interpreted it as a eutherian.

Description
Only one fossil specimen is known, a slab and counterslab given catalog number CAGS00-IG03. It is in the collection of the Chinese Academy of Geological Sciences.

Sinodelphys szalayi grew only 15 cm (5.9 in) long and possibly weighed about 30 g (1.05 oz). Its fossilized skeleton is surrounded by impressions of fur and soft tissue, thanks to the exceptional sediment that preserves such details. Luo et al. (2003) inferred from the foot structure of Sinodelphys that it was a scansorial tree-dweller, like the contemporary Eomaia and modern opossums such as Didelphis. Sinodelphys probably hunted worms and insects.

Taxonomy
Sinodelphys szalayi, living in China around 125 million years ago, was initially interpreted as the earliest known metatherian. This makes it almost contemporary to the eutherian Acristatherium, which has been found in the same area. However, Bi et al. (2018) reinterpreted Sinodelphys as an early member of Eutheria.

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Akiko Wada

Akiko Wada (和田 アキ子) is a Japanese singer, tarento and businesswoman from Tennōji-ku, Osaka, Osaka Prefecture.

She has various nicknames, one being "Akko". Due to her above-average height (174 cm or 5'8.5"), she is also nicknamed "jotei" (女帝), meaning "empress".

Biography
Akiko Wada is Japanese of Korean ethnicity. She was born Kim Bok-ja (Korean: 김복자, Hanja: 金福子, Kim is the family name). Like many Zainichi Koreans, she also had a Japanese-style name for everyday use, Fukuko Kaneumi (金海福子). When she took Japanese citizenship, her name became Akiko Wada (和田 現子), which upon marriage became Akiko Iizuka (飯塚 現子).

She is signed to the Horipro entertainment agency.

Career
At age 17, she dropped out of school and performed in clubs. She was signed to the Horipro entertainment agency and released her debut single, "Hoshizora no Kodoku" in 1968 and had her first hit the next year with "Doshaburi no Ame no Naka de". She performed on Kōhaku Uta Gassen, a music show broadcast live every New Year's Eve, in 1970 and has performed over 30 times on the show since then. She received the award for Best Song at the 1972 Japan Record Awards for "Ano Kane wo Narasu no wa Anata".

She played the voice of Bowser in Super Mario Bros.: The Great Mission to Rescue Princess Peach!. She has also voiced Marge Simpson in the Japanese version of The Simpsons Movie.

She also performed with the music group M-Flo on the song "Hey!" on their 2005 album Beat Space Nine.

Wada performed at the famous Apollo Theater in Harlem, New York in September 2008 as part of her 40th debut anniversary tour.

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University of Arkansas Community College at Batesville

The University of Arkansas Community College at Batesville (UACCB) is a public community college in Batesville, Arkansas.

History
The University of Arkansas Community College at Batesville (UACCB) was originally opened in September of 1975 as Gateway Vocational Technical School, designed to provide vocational training to the area. In 1991, the facility was organized as Gateway Technical College, offering courses in electrician and mechanical fields. In 1997, Gateway merged with the University of Arkansas system, and a few months later renamed it as the University of Arkansas Community College at Batesville with the passage of a county sales tax in March 1998. UACCB offered both vocational courses as well as courses towards associate degrees and college courses toward "core" requirements at four-year schools.

In the years since its reorganization, UACCB has undergone several campus renovations. The first major renovation, completed in 1999, added an 11000 sqft Arts and Sciences building, as well as various landscaping and parking additions. The next phase of construction, completed in 2001, added a 37000 sqft auditorium and conference facility named Independence Hall (after Independence County, of which Batesville is the county seat). In 2002, the college acquired adjacent 24 acre of unimproved land and constructed a 14000 sqft Physical Plant.

Ground was broken in early 2010 for a new facility for Nursing and Allied Health. In 2020, construction was completed on the state-of-the-art Workforce Training Center at the far corner of campus. UACCB has a bright future and will strive to provide even greater educational opportunities for the citizens it serves.


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Drzetowo-Grabowo

Drzetowo-Grabowo is a municipal neighborhood of Szczecin, West Pomeranian Voivodeship, Poland, part of the Śródmieście district and borders on the north on Północ district. It was formed on the basis of two, historical neighborhoods - Drzetowo and Grabowo. On 2018, the estimated population of Drzetowo-Grabowo was 22,655 residents.

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Fernando de Valenzuela, 1st Marquis of Villasierra

Fernando de Valenzuela, 1st Marquis of Villasierra, Grandee of Spain (in full, Don Fernando de Valenzuela y Enciso, Núñez y Dávila, primer marqués de Villasierra, Grande de España, Virrey de Granada; 8 January 1636, Naples – 7 February 1692), served as a trusted advisor and valido to Mariana of Austria, Queen Regent of Spain.

Valenzuela came from the lower ranks of Spanish nobility or hidalgos and his appointment was resented by the grandees, the upper nobility who dominated government appointments. In 1677, he was removed from office and imprisoned in the Philippines; released in 1688, he settled in Mexico City, where he died in 1692.

Life
Fernando de Valenzuela was born in Naples in 1636, only son of Francisco de Valenzuela and Leonora de Encisa y Davila. He was baptised in the church of Sant'Anna dei Lombardi on 17 January 1636.

Originally from Andalusia, in Southern Spain, the Valenzuela were middle-ranking nobility or hidalgos who served across the Spanish Empire as soldiers and administrators. During the Reconquista in 1485, his great-great grandfather, Fernando de Valenzuela Baena, took part in the capture of Ronda and was rewarded with lands and offices. They remained a prominent local family; his grandfather Gaspar Juan y de Escalante de Valenzuela was the two governor.

In 1661, Valenzuela married Maria Ambrosia de Ucedo y Prado; their son Francisco de Ucedo de la Valenzuela became a government officer in the Mexican provinces of Nueva Vizcaya and New Navarre.

Career
Francisco de Valenzuela, the father of Fernando, served with the Spanish army in Flanders and Milan, before settling in the Kingdom of Naples, then part of the Crown of Aragon. His brother Cristobal was Governor of the town of Barletta, in Apulia and Francisco was appointed Governor or Regidor of Sant'Agata, a town in the Province of Naples.

After Francisco's death in 1640, his widowed wife Leonora, returned to Madrid and secured her son, Fernando, a position as page in the household of Duke of Infantado. From 1648 to 1655, Infantado was successively ambassador to Rome, Governor of Milán, and finally Viceroy of Sicily, before retiring to Spain, where he died in 1657.

Fernando Valenzuela served in the Spanish army in Italy, but as his career stagnated, he returned to Madrid in 1659. Two years later, he married Maria Ambrosia de Uceda, lady-in-waiting to Mariana of Austria, who gave him a position in her household as a wedding present. When Philip IV died in 1665, his son Charles II was only three years old and Mariana appointed regent by the Council of Castile. The next decade was dominated by a power struggle between Mariana and Charles' illegitimate half-brother, John of Austria the Younger, (1629-1679).

As government became more complex, individual rulers could no longer manage the administrative burden on their own and needed to delegate, hence the use of validos or privados. Often translated as 'favourite', 'trusted advisor' is a better description of the role; it was used in Spain in various forms from the 15th century to the late 18th century and formalised by Philip IV in 1620. English-language biographies of Valenzuela, such as his entry in the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica, often reflect the 17th century view women were incapable of ruling without a man and imply a sexual relationship. Rather than depending on one person or 'valido', in reality Mariana used a number of different advisors. The instability that often accompanied royal minorities was heightened by Charles' ill-health and the likelihood he would die childless. The resulting contest between his co-heirs Louis XIV of France and Emperor Leopold split the Spanish political elite into Austrian and French factions. Mariana therefore preferred to rely on a small group of loyalists, who owed their careers to her. In addition to Valenzuela, these included her personal confessor Juan Everardo Nithard, who came with her from Vienna in 1659, and the Marquis de Aytona; all three were accused of being her lovers at one time or another.

After Nithard was forced from office in 1669, his role as 'valido' was filled by Aytona; when he died in March 1670, Valenzuela became more prominent. In 1671, he was made a knight of the Order of Santiago and appointed 'Introducer of Ambassadors'; the position still exists and relates to protocol, rather than policy, the holder being responsible for co-ordinating acts and ceremonies related to Spanish foreign policy.

In 1673, he was appointed the Queen's Master of Horse, a major position that controlled logistics, royal processions and security. 17th century monarchies used ostentatious display to project power; Valenzuela was put in charge of public entertainments and building works, including the expansion of El Pardo, as well as sports and hunting expeditions for Charles. Such positions were normally held by grandees and in a carefully regulated and hierarchical society, this meant Valenzuela was viewed with great resentment. The regency was formally dissolved when Charles turned 14 in 1675, although the Council of Castile agreed his disabilities required Mariana to control the decision-making process. John was sent to Sicily to put down the Messina revolt and Valenzuela made Marquis of Villasierra and Ambassador to Venice; however, he remained in Spain as Captain-General of Granada.

Valenzuela was recalled in June 1676 and made Master of Horse for the Royal Household, another post normally held by a grandee. Mariana responded to complaints by making him a grandee, then first minister in November; this was a step too far and on 24 December, a group of senior nobility issued a proclamation denouncing the administration. John was invited to take over government; in January 1677, he entered Madrid with 15,000 troops and despatched Mariana to a convent in Toledo. Valenzuela was stripped of titles and property, then exiled to the Philippines, where he was held in Fort San Felipe.

After John's death in 1679, Mariana regained control but Valenzuela was not recalled; he remained in the Philippines until September 1688, when he was allowed to settle in Mexico City. The Viceroy of New Spain was Infantado's nephew, Count Galve; with his help, Valenzuela received a pension and lived in some comfort. His title was restored, but not the grandeeship, while properties at San Bartolomé and Herradón de Pinares were returned to his wife in January 1689. He died on February 7, 1692, after being kicked by a horse.

Legacy
The Palacio de Mondragón in Ronda is also known as the Palacio del Marqués de Villasierra; originally built by the Nasrid emirs, it was extensively remodelled by Fernando de Valenzuela Baena but passed out of the family until reacquired by his great-great-grandson in 1675. It is now the town museum.

It has been suggested Valenzuela was the inspiration for Victor Hugo's 1838 play Ruy Blas, although Hugo himself cites other sources. The plot closely resembles other works, including The Lady of Lyons, first played on 14 February 1838, nine months before Ruy Blas, and Molière's Les Précieuses ridicules.


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This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The "source" is the use of exactly the same words in both songs, when the original song is well-known.

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You are also dishonest: "Refusing to participate in edit wars, relying on the support of other Wikipedians, and reaching mature conclusions on controversial edits"
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Rock carvings at Eidefoss

The rock carvings at Eidefoss by the river Fossen in Nord-Fron municipality in Oppland county in Norway, comprise two images of moose. These are on a rock, possibly fallen from a west-facing, nearly vertical cliff, about 20 meters from the river. One measures 31 cm and the other 35 cm.

The location of the site is south of the white water where the river broadens to the east. During normal water level the rock is well away from the river.

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Talk:Cairo gang

Capitalisation
This should be moved to Cairo Gang, as the title is capitalised throughout. Andy Mabbett 22:12, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree.

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Ohio State University College of Medicine

The Ohio State University College of Medicine (formerly known as the Ohio State University College of Medicine and Public Health) is the medical school at Ohio State University. It is located in Columbus, Ohio. The college is nationally recognized as a top institution in both education and research, as reflected by rankings in U.S. News & World Report, No. 28 (tie) in Best Medical Schools: Research. In 2023, its two primary teaching hospitals (The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center and Nationwide Children's Hospital) were ranked as one of the best hospitals in the US in 9 and 10 different specialties, respectively; and Nationwide Children's Hospital was named to U.S. News & World Report's select honor roll of US Best Children's hospitals.

History
The OSU College of Medicine can trace its roots as far back as March 3, 1834, with the founding of the Willoughby University of Lake Erie in Willoughby, Ohio. Dr. Westel Willoughby (1789–1844), the school's namesake and first president, oversaw the operation of the school until 1843, when a disagreement among the faculty led to their resignation from the school.

In 1847 the disgruntled faculty members started the Willoughby Medical College of Columbus in Columbus, Ohio, receiving a new charter from the Ohio Legislature on January 14, 1847. The inaugural student body consisted of 150 students, including dozens of medical students who had transferred from Willoughby University of Lake Erie. Almost immediately upon opening, the school was contacted by wealthy local business owner Lyne Starling, who offered $35,000 to construct a new hospital and school complex in Columbus. The concept of a hospital dedicated to teaching medical students was groundbreaking at the time.

The construction of the Starling Medical College, named after its benefactor, was begun in 1848 but was not completed until 1887. Dr. Starling Loving was a trustee, professor, and dean at the Starling Medical College. Dr. Loving facilitated the arrival of the Sisters of the Poor of St. Francis to the area to run the hospital, which was named St. Francis Hospital in 1865.

In 1875, during elections for a new chairman of the board, James Fairchild Baldwin and several faculty members left the school and in 1876 founded another medical school, the Columbus Medical College. In 1882, the Columbus Medical College began construction on a new hospital, the Hawkes Hospital of Mt. Carmel, operated by the Sisters of the Holy Cross.

In 1892, members of the Columbus Medical College merged with Starling Medical College, angering Baldwin. In 1892, he and several faculty members resigned and started yet another medical school, the Ohio Medical University. The Ohio Medical University built Protestant Hospital, the forerunner of Riverside Methodist Hospitals, which still exists.

In 1907, the Ohio Medical University merged with Starling Medical College to form the Starling-Ohio Medical College.

The Ohio State College of Medicine was established in 1914 with William Means as the first dean. In the 1940s, the school had a two-year medical education program. In the 1970s, this was extended to three years, and then four years in the 1980s.

Admissions
Admission to The Ohio State University College of Medicine is highly selective. For the class entering in 2021, OSU received 8,206 applications and interviewed 589 applicants for a class of 203 medical students. That matriculating class had an average GPA of 3.91 and an average MCAT score of 516.

Facilities
The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center has grown into a large complex with numerous specialty centers, hospitals, and research buildings. 44,000 patients are admitted into the OSU system every year. Another 635,000 are seen as outpatients (including outpatient surgery and 75,000 emergency patients).

The facilities include:
 * Nationwide Children's Hospital
 * The College of Medicine
 * University Hospital
 * Ohio State East Hospital
 * James Cancer Hospital and Solove Research Institute
 * Comprehensive Cancer Center
 * Brain and Spine Hospital
 * OSU Harding Hospital
 * Dodd Hall Inpatient Rehabilitation Hospital
 * The Richard M. Ross Heart Hospital
 * Prior Hall
 * Numerous ambulatory, primary care and sub-specialty clinics throughout Central Ohio

Leadership
Leadership at the Dean level for the college has been fluid, with no fewer than 5 individuals holding the position of Dean in the last 10 years.
 * Carol R. Bradford, MD, FACS, Dean, College of Medicine, Vice President for Health Sciences
 * Daniel M. Clinchot, MD, Vice Dean for Education
 * Robert A. Bornstein, PhD, Administrative Vice Dean; Vice Dean for Academic Affairs, Secretary of the College

Notable research and developments
Pioneer Carl Leier developed dobutamine, the revolutionary drug treatment to help heart failure. Bertha Bouroncle discovered hairy cell leukemia in 1958 and developed a treatment for it, deoxycoformycin, nearly 30 years later along with Michael Grever and Erik Kraut. Kazi Mobin-Uddin who invented the first inferior vena cava filter was a faculty member. Albert de la Chappelle discovered a founder mutation in cancer. William Hunt and Robert Hess in the Department of Neurological Surgery developed the Hunt and Hess scale for grading the severity of intracranial hemorrhages.

Zollinger-Ellison syndrome was defined by two OSU faculty, Robert Zollinger and Edwin Ellison, in the 1940s. The first helicopter-based medical rescue was implemented at OSU in the 1960s.

Educational firsts by the Ohio State College of Medicine include an independent study curriculum in 1970, and a human cancer genetics fellowship. Ohio State was the first medical center in the United States to complete a heart bypass using minimally invasive robotics technology and the first to insert a digital pacemaker in a patient. Ohio State is a world leader in imaging research, installing the world's most powerful magnetic resonance imaging scanner in 1998, the 8 tesla MRI.

In 2000, Ohio State graduates Peter Kourlas and Matthew Strout conducted genetic research that led to the discovery of a gene that plays a role in acute myeloid leukemia. Their work was conducted in the lab of Michael A. Caligiuri, a researcher recognized for his work in leukemia, lymphoma and immunology.

In 2009, scientists at the university were the first to observe the real time behavior of the enzyme Dpo4, which aid studies understanding the molecular basis for cancer and other diseases. Later that year scientists developed technology that can magnetically manipulate cancerous cells.

In 2013, surgeon Christopher Kaeding performed the first surgery in the United States while streaming video live using Google Glass.

Robotic surgery
The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center has had several firsts and breakthroughs in robotic surgery.

In 1999, Randall Wolf and Robert Michler became the first in the country to perform a robotically assisted heart bypass. While under the direction of Michler in 2009, the center became the first in North America to use the da Vinci HS SI robot during a surgery. In 2009, Ohio State was the first to demonstrate single incision robotic kidney surgery.

In 2010, Enver Ozer performed the first robotic thyroidectomy in central Ohio.

Scientific misconduct
In 2017 and 2018, it was revealed that three faculty members separately involved in cancer research at OSU had falsified research findings. Carlo M. Croce, chair of the department of cancer biology and genetics, had 8 papers retracted and 15 more had corrections issued. Samson T. Jacob, a professor of cancer biology and genetics, has had five papers retracted after an investigation. Ching-Shih Chen, professor in medicinal chemistry and pharmacognosy, is under investigation for at least 21 incidents of scientific misconduct.

National recognition

 * Annually, OSUCOM earns recognition for having some of the best medical facilities in the United States, according to U.S. News & World Report magazine. In 2005, OSUCOM received recognition in 13 different areas and was called "One of America's Best Hospitals."
 * U.S. News ranks Ohio State's Medical School among the top 50 research schools; it ranked the school 30th in the 2019 edition. In 2021, U.S. News ranked the school 33rd nationally.

Notable alumni

 * Jan Adams (born 1954), American cosmetic surgeon
 * Quinn Capers IV, American cardiologist, member of OSU's Society of Master Clinicians, and currently Chair of the Department of Medicine at Howard University
 * Aaron Craft (born 1991), former Ohio State basketball player who also played professionally in the NBA G League and Europe; M.D. class of 2024
 * David W. Deamer (born 1939), biologist
 * John Frank (born 1962), professional NFL football player
 * Cary Pigman (born 1958), Florida House Representative
 * Frank Bradway Rogers (1914–1987), instrumental in changing the Army Medical Library into the National Library of Medicine
 * Howard Tucker, recognized as the oldest practicing doctor by Guinness World Records
 * John Wilce (1888–1963), Ohio State Buckeyes football coach from 1913 to 1928


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Talk:NCAA Division II

Define DI and DII
Why not define what constitutes a Division I school and a Division II school, it has something to do with amount of spectators at a University's home gym or field. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.106.129.135 (talk) 22:14, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * It doesn't have anything to do with the number of spectators. It's just a matter of which level of competition the school chooses to compete at. Scholarship limits are the biggest factor, for football, Division I schools can give up to 85 scholarships, Division II can give up to 36 scholarships, while Division III schools cannot give any scholarships.--RLent 22:37, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

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Shouldn't this be NCAA Division II?
I think the Division II name on this article is confusing. NCAA Division II would be more appropriate. Americasroof (talk) 17:39, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Agreed. "Division II" is far too common a designator for an article about the NCAA usage to get by without a disambiguation. I'm moving it to Division II (NCAA).oknazevad (talk) 05:52, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

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Hello everyone! As I was reading through this page, I found it interesting that CETYS may potentially join the NCAA Division II. I decided to look further into this info and wanted to know what was stopping them. I read up in an article about what was going on in the background on CETYS' side of things and added a little information to the end of the "Membership" section. Feel free to check it out! Jbaldon03 (talk) 23:56, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

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Hello! I recently added info to the Requirements section in regards to restrictions for transfers within the same conference for the same sport. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Desireejimmy (talk • contribs) 20:24, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

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Yes, forms of energy are usually easily converted from one to another, and the writer wishes to advance the hope that electrons can be converted to positrons by means that are economical. This wish is sustained by the thought t hat such convesion would provide an inexhaustible,clean safe, and convemnientenergy source to turn the wheels of industry.

The source would be inehaustible because electrons are evrywhere. It would be clean and safe because electrons interact with positrons producing only a form of gamma radiation that is easily shielded and does not induce radioactivity in shielding materials. The heating effect of this radiatio could be used to drive vapor engines such as steam engines. Convenience for use in automotive equipment or other small installlations would depend on development, and might be debatable.

Te writer knows that sodium 2, probably produced in colliders like cyclotrons, emits two hundred trillion positrons per gram per second/ This informaton appeared in a recent isue of Discove Magazine. No information on the half-life of the isotope was provided, or of the relationsip betwen input energu and output from the isotope.

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Please take a look at Talk:Elisabeth of Bohemia. Arrigo 15:09, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

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Please don't put images onto LoPbN pages. These are purely navigational pages, like Dabs and Redirects; anyone browsing them is wasting their time, and perking them up is just a distraction from using the eyes to find the desired name and move on to the bio for the person. --Jerzy•t 08:24, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

 * But it could also perk their interest in the person displayed. It does no harm, does it? Errabee 09:51, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes it does. Articles are the place to perk interest in relevant directions; on navigational pages that is 99% of the time irrelevant and a disruption. Attempts to perk interest randomly, unsought by the perkee, has a name: spam. --Jerzy•t 10:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

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 * I really don't see the harm of putting images on the LoPbN pages. Errabee 09:55, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

There are numerous reasons besides the ones you have already been given. Here are more: That's off the top of my head. If this needs further discussion, let's keep it all together on this page, OK? --Jerzy•t 10:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Response time increase to deliver useless material.
 * They take up space on the screen, so that sections may need to be subdivided to keep a full section on screen for typical users.
 * In some cases the additional sections will force subdivision of the page, multiplying the already roughly 700-strong count of LoPbN pages.
 * Every entry among the roughly 30,000 is a notable person, so which should have images is either a PoV issue or the images will take up more space than the entries. The maintenance effort is already greater than resources, delaying needed restructuring work, and edit wars over images would further interfere.
 * You are not the first to think of this, but the previous images were removed two years ago without a single objection, and you are the first to suggest it since. You need to start a discussion before defying the de facto precedent.

 * Then I suppose the list on Meta with the articles all wikipedias should have is POV also, and should therefore be deleted as soon as possible, since a NPOV version can never be made. I need to start a discussion; I thought wiki was all about be bold? Ah well, even the simplest of pleasures is not allowed. Wiki ain't fun anymore; time to quit alltogether. Errabee 12:38, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

_ _ While it's a really good idea not to undertake something as broad as your group of around 50 similar edits, without waiting for comment on the first one or half-dozen, i didn't intend you to infer that your coming up with a bad idea was unacceptable behavior. Editing boldly is good, and so is recognizing that not every bold is a good one. _ _ I can't say abt "wiki" in general, but yes, WP is indispensably about WP:BOLD. And that has as its first rubric ...but don't be reckless!, and ends with BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. If you decide that the necessary work of the revert and discuss part is worth the fun of being bold, perhaps you'll decide you want to return, and the door is always open to the well behaved -- which includes you: petulance is not a form of vandalism or personal attack. --Jerzy•t 19:54, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

 * As you may or may not have noticed, the en:wikipedia was not my major working ground until recently. I was admin on another wikipedia, gave that up, and ended up being banned indefinitely on my own request for my own peace of mind. I had hoped to do a small and imho uncontroversial project without discussion and was proven wrong. I hope this explains the petulance, which originated from earlier experiences. Nevertheless, my conclusion still stands: Wiki ain't fun no more (for me). Please do not think you had anything to do with that conclusion; I did not mean to imply that in my previous contribution. Errabee 21:38, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

_ _ Got it. I had the sense that we each knew the other was talking abt policy rather than personalities, and thanks for confirming that. Actually, i did stray from that in mentioning "petulance"; i hope you are sincere (and not just polite) in suggesting you took no offense. I also hope i was right in thinking that mentioning what was for a moment an elephant in the living room would ease rather than inflame the discussion, since it was a prerequisite for pointing out it was IMO a harmless, well behaved, elephant. _ _ Things change, and you know where to find us. --Jerzy•t 22:52, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I indeed took no offense; and the discussion was certainly eased by mentioning the elephant. Errabee 23:05, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

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Eugene Luening

Eugene Luening (sometimes Eugen Luening) (1852–1944) was a Milwaukee-born musician and educator of German descent.

Career
Prior to December 1885, Luening served as director of the Milwaukee Musical Society.

In May 1888, the Luening Conservatory of Music was founded in Milwaukee by twelve people including Henry M. Mended, B. H. Eiring and R. F. Luening. The school had its official opening ceremony in November 1889. In May 1892, Luening resigned as manager of the Luening Conservatory of Music and its name was changed to the Milwaukee Conservatory of Music.

In September 1909, Luening began serving as acting director of the University of Wisconsin–Madison School of Music following the resignation of Rossetter Gleason Cole.

In 1912, Luening and his family moved to Munich in Bavaria, Germany. He remained in the area during much of World War I, returning to Milwaukee in October 1918.

Personal life
Luening was the father of musician Otto Luening, who was a pioneering figure in the composition of electronic music.

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