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Talk:M. N. Vijayan

POV concerns
hey —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.148.97.69 (talk) 18:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC) This article is blatantly written from a POV (point of View); statements like "fondly" and "is the leading intellectual" need to be either removed or references supplied. I'm starting cleanup of this article. Tonywalton | Talk 13:26, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I just found this article through Special:Random and was put off by its bad quality. I fixed some stuff, mainly POV stances & wordings as well as formatting, but there still is a lot of work that needs to be done. To be true, though, I don't know if it is worth it. The article should probably be deleted if it isn't brought to the quality of a truly encyclopaedic article soon. zerofoks 11:51, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Clean up
I cleaned up some of the language and grammatical errors, but I have removed the clean up tag and related tags because I don't see how the article was really in that bad shape when I got to it. However, there are definite notability issues and no references, so I have put those tags there instead. Hope my edits were to everyone's satisfaction (though I didn't really change much) Jdcooper 17:40, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Marxist Ideologue
M.N.Vijayan is fondly called Marxist Ideologe by the Communist Party activists.But,he has not made any original contribution to Marxism.He has been relying mainly on authors like Wilhem Reich.Unlike party leaders he did not use the classical marxist jargon of Class War.However,later due to his disagreement with some of the party leaders he has statrted saying that a revolutionary party should not open up its windows,as it would enable intruders to get in.He was removed from the editor position of party owned weekly after this criticism of party. Mahesh Mangalat 06:53, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Impartiality of editors
If you read the archives of "M.N.Vijyan" page, it is clear editors have not done justice to this biography. Some text entered are not written with nuetral point of view. But the editors who removed are more biased as they just removed all write up instead of modifying without reason. M.N.Vijayan is one of the two most prominent living intellectuals of Kerala. The other person is Sukumar Azheekkode. M.N.Vijyan's contribution is not only as a CPIM intellectual. He got Sahitya Academy award in 1970s or 1980s. M.N.Vijyan is a mentor of many famous personalities including Punathil Kunhabdulla. Punathil Kunhabdullah is an anti Marxist. Infact there should be a separate paragraph to highlight this side of M.N.Vijayan's life. The number of people who visit M.N.Vijayan personally to take his advice is may be many thousands. If you go to Kodungallur Town and ask an autorickshaw driver they will tell you the truth. Wikipedia editors are simply becoming laughing stalks by acting with some other interests. It is clear from this page, some editors of this page have motive and they are not eligible to do that work.
 * Hi, thanks for your comments, I'm sorry you feel that the editing on this article is too ruthless. However, it has to be said that the material that was removed was removed because it was almost exclusively opinion, specifically opinion that showed clear bias not befitting an encyclopaedia. Furthermore it was written in substandard English. If you are a fan of Mr Vijayan, then surely you of all people would desire that the article about him would be well-written, well-sourced and informative? Please help us to do this by adding relevant encyclopaedic information, but only if it is accompanied by a reliable source to back it up. Unsourced information and clearly biased text will be removed. Jdcooper 17:31, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message and for indirectly admitting that those who were removing the content know little about the subject. In this context I appreciate your request inviting "well-written, well-sourced and informative" write up and writing "Please help us to do this by adding relevant" content. One of those jokes about wikipedia is that a Nobel laureate's biography was edited and replaced with another person's biography. It is important that if editors do not know about the subject, they should not decide the relevance of the subject and delete others's inputs altogether.

==Nobody has published biography of M.N.Vijayan. But a book is published as part of smear campaign against M.N.Vijayan by M.A.Baby. This explains a lot of things. It was more than 5 years back M.N.Vijayan warned against M.A. Baby and Thomas Isaac of bringing the politics of Capital into Communist party through back door. Now things are obvious when Prakash Karat himself warn against influence of Lottery Mafia's money. "When capital was brought into Communist party, the Capital brought its ideology also into communist party." It is not surprising why big media and certain individuals are keen to remove anything written about M.N. Vijayan. Kairali T.V, which was started by Communist Party of India (Marxist) till this date never published a single statement by M.N. Vijayan. Never showed his face in that channel even when M.N. Vijayan was the editor of Communist party's weekly Deshabhimani. There is no need to comment much about obvious things.

 * Wikipedia has certain central tenets, most importantly neutrality and verifiability, which any editor can judge, regardless of their familiarity with the subject. If you review those pages fully before making significant additions to the site then it is unlikely that any editor will have any substantial problems with anything you write, and what you write will not be removed. Jdcooper 15:24, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Vote for Deletion
Repeatedly we are getting unsigned comments and statements which are pov. Cluttered with red links that lead you nowhere; forgetting that this is a biography of a respectable living person. Disparaging comments and innuendos about other living people. The article is crying out for improvement or, deletion Weblogan 12:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I removed the tag you placed on this page, because this is the talk page; tags should go on the article itself. On that note, the tag you placed, db-attack, does not seem appropriate because the article does not seem to be a completely negative biography. Yes, it could use sources, but that's no reason to place a speedy deletion tag on it. Now, your header for this comment says "Vote for Deletion." There is no more "Votes for deletion." That area has been renamed Articles for deletion, and if you want to start a discussion concerning deletion, you need to follow the instructions there, not place a speedy deletion tag on it. But, it sounds like you want the article to be improved... so deleting it would be unfavorable, no?  Leebo  T / C  12:40, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

== What ever may be done in the name of "improving" the article, by some people are done with an intention of destroying the facts. After the collapse of Soviet Union, the communist movement world over has either became Social Democratic parties, or disintegrated into irrelevance or fought against rightward deviation to uphold Marxist-Leninist moorings. Anti-Communist fundings and deliberate and organized campaign against communism is still goin on officially by various imperialist agencies. Cuban party and CPI(M) are the world's larget communist parties now, which till date refused to deviate from the Marxist moorings after Soviet Era. M.N. Vijayan is leading an ideological campaign against the world's largest existing communist party against such Social democratic deviations. No biography of M.N.Vijyan is complete without mentioning this. But the moment some one add any such write up, some people would destroy them.
 * why you are sooooooooooooooooo keen to remove this? Last two days there were hot discussions in the T.V channels and dailies about a "Two day discussion camp" under the leadership of M.N.Vijayan and others.

See for example-- 01:14, 9 June 2007 Weblogan (Talk | contribs) (4,119 bytes) (deleted as the whole thing was irrelevant for an encyclopedic article. they were reading like testimonials you find in ads) (undo)

05:41, 24 June 2007 Weblogan (Talk | contribs) (4,455 bytes) (gibberish and improper redirects, some proxy war is going on here) (undo)

13:51, 3 June 2007 Weblogan (Talk | contribs) (18,942 bytes) (There is no reason to remove notability and lack of reference tags in the absen ce of any improvement in content.) (undo)

It is clear why some of these "editors" do not want this article to be read by others. It is only understandable. And I have only sympathy for them.

It is good that paranoia is manifested now in clear terms in the demand "Delete! and Destroy! or the world will perish tomorrow!!! Delete! Delete ! Delete!!!".... Let us hope after a few months, in the same way a frank statement will appear here--- "I dont like him! So I dont want any one to write about him!!!"--- Waiting for that comment to appear.

 * If you people spent as much time finding sources for your assertions in the article as you did ranting about things that are not appropriate to discuss on wikipedia, then this article would be featured standard by now. Please read WP:NOT and WP:V thoroughly before making further complaints. This kind of discussion is unproductive. Jdcooper 15:17, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Strong disagreement even with the idea of deletion, wikipedia is an inclusive space & mn vijayan has a lot of references, and news on him & his interviews (Alex.mathews (talk) 23:36, 29 January 2013 (UTC))

This is not Hyde Park
Donot expect any sympathy, if your piece in Wikipedia is soapbox rabble rousing. Please see the following guidelines: WP:SOAP WP:NOT WP:NOT WP:NOT WP:NOT] In short, Wikipedia is not a soapbox, a battleground, or a vehicle for propaganda and advertising. Therefore, Wikipedia content is not be anything but verifiable and NPOV. Internet provides places for soapbox oratory. Blog is a very good medium. But, certainly not encyclopedic articles. You can see reasons for deletion in edit summary and there will not be any change in policy if such misdemeanors are repeated. Also this page is not the only one that is subjected to propaganda of similar nature -- or the proxy war hoisted on wikipedia. please see Pinarayi Vijayan, equally virilant other side of this parochial gang war. Weblogan 02:26, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Wiki-linking
I've tried to get rid of some of the red and excess blue and ugly links that were making this article look more intimidating than it really is. There's no need to link to any specific article more than once, perhaps twice, and no need to link to Vijayan himself. I did some other small format changes, hope everyone is happy with them. There are still some sentences that I really don't think make sense, but failing any specific knowledge I am kind of impotent to do anything to them. Jdcooper 12:01, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Another POV Attack
To say that allegations raised against you are true if you lose a defamation case is stretching it too far. In this case the complainant was representing an organization and had, for the time being, failed to prove the charges. Nothing more; nothing less. On the same issue, there is also another case pending filed by another individual against Vijayan et al for personally defaming him. English news tells it all. If no legit explanation forthcoming from the perpetrator of this POV attack,, an ip address 59.92.131.235, proposing to delete/edit the offending portion. Weblogan 00:50, 30 September 2007 (UTC) edited the section to some level of NPOV. Weblogan 08:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

 * The case filed by KSSP in its complaint alleged (From Hindu ): "The parishad president alleged that the third accused (Mr. Sudheesh), who very well knew that these allegations were false, baseless and defamatory, wrote the article with an intention to defame the Parishad. The editor and the printer and publisher also knew that the allegations were false and that they published the article without any inquiry.". It is true that the English newspaper has omitted the fact that M.N.Vijayan and Prof. Sudheesh stood by what they published in their publication. (In fact every allegation made in the Padhom magazine is supported by evidence. Unfortunately an online copy is not available.)

The translation of the news report appeared in the regional language press is given below: (Mathrubhumi-Saturday, 29th September 2007 )

Defamation case: M.N.Vijayan and Sudhish are acquitted.

Kochin: The chief Judicial Magistrate Court has acquitted Prof. M.N.Vijayan and Prof. Sudheesh in the defamation case, finding they are innocent.

"K.Pappootty, the president of Kerala Shastra Sahitya Parishad filed the case accusing that articles written by them in Padhom Magazine are defamatory. The articles written in 2003 criticised People's Planning. The articles had alleged that Shastra Sahitya Parishad was receiving foreign funds, among other things.

T.K. Madhu said in the verdict that the complainant Pappootty has failed to prove that the editorial and other articles are defamatory. Court also acquited the publisher of the Padhom Magazine, D. ShreeKumar.

The allegations published in the Padhom magazines had generated much controversy in Kerala. Prof. Vijayan and Prof. Sudheesh reiterated in the on their allegations in the court. The articles also contain criticisms against the Finance Minister Prof. Thomas Isaac. He has filed case asking compensation for defamation in the sub-court."

The facts--

1) M.N.Vijayan and Prof. Sudheesh had made allegations in writing.

2) They have reiterated their allegations, and there was no attempt to deny what ever they had said earlier.

There are only two ways KSSP can fail to prove the charges.

a) If there is an ambiguity about what M.N.Vijan and others have said. So court considers that Pappootty has failed to prove what M.N. Vijayan and others had originally stated.

b) If court consider what M.N. Vijayan has said is true.

In this case, there is absolutely no ambiguity about what M.N.Vijayan and others have alleged because a) They have alleged them in writing. b) They stood by what they had said.

Thus, any one with elementary knowledge of the law can easily understand the meaning of the verdict. That court considers what M.N.Vijayan and Sudhish have said is right.

This is what I have published in Wikipedia. "The court verdict indirectly endorses what M.N.Vijayan has said, that is KSSP has received imperialist funding. And as majority of the leaders of KSSP are also leaders of CPI(M), "a section of CPI(M) has accepted imperialist funding."

The court examined all the documents taking 3 to 4 years' time and reached in its present conclusions. It clarified that allegations are NOT DEFAMATORY. Where does the question of "the time being, failed to prove the charges" arise? (And for the time being, if they have failed their case, till their better time comes, those facts can be legitimately accepted. I dont question the right of others to file any appeal. But that is not my work. If any one thinks they have to wait for 200 years till KSSP fails all court cases in this world, nothing can be published in any media, not necessarily only in Wikipedia.)

In fact, CPI(M) has clarified earlier that KSSP has received funds but they said it is an internal matter of KSSP. And majority of the KSSP leaders and also CPI(M) leaders.

It is clear that this editor is deliberately removing references published to support the articles, in this site and deleting the contents without valid reasons. I leave this for the better judgement of the readers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.137.99 (talk) 13:26, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

misguiding readers
First deliberate attempts to remove this very article. The argument -"not a famous personality". That tag removed very recently. One such contributor - who repeatedly removed the contents for reasons best known to him or her- later added: M.N. Vijayan received "Sahitya Akademy award" in 1980s. If contributor knew it, why demanded removal of page? And if knew Vijayan selected for award, then must know he refused award. So, there was a deliberate misguiding. how can wiki allow such people removing facts?

The Mathrubhumi of Oct 9 2007 reports what court said about imperialist funding. KSSP admitted in court- reluctantly though- they received foreign fund- and they have no permission to accept foreign fund. Mathrubhumi: this can put them behind bar for 5 years, as it is a violation of relevant rules of foreign funding. Now who are others in receipt of foreign funds? Center for Development Studies, Trivandrum and its then office bearers.

Mathrubhumi Oct 9, does not name Thomas Isaac, but he was then responsible for receipt of foreign fund by CDS and is present finance minister, Kerala. How can a person, who perhaps should sit in jail now- continue as finance minister? These are the issues, but only one sentence is included in the wikipedia- Court has approved M.N. Vijayan & Sudheesh' allegations. I dont see any reason why this can be removed from wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.11.173 (talk) 16:12, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

 * M.N.Vijayan was a successful counsellor. And that content is removed by arguing: "man with no psychology education counselling people is unscientific."... If I am assuming that I need to certify Abraham Lincoln, if his role in civil war was right ot not before putting that in Lincoln's biography, I can do that sitting in my home. But insisting that in a public forum raises some questions... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.200.101 (talk) 09:30, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Can any one point out Weblogan adding any point to this article? He apparently has only one motive to participate here- to destroy the facts. He argued first to remove this page, consistantly removed references. He doesnt have any point why M.N. Vijayan's life's important aspect, that he was a successful conselor, can not be showed here. M.N.Vijayan, for that matter, anyone in the world, doesnt require any medical degree to give simple counseling. Was Jesus Christ a qualified medical practitioner? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.143.70 (talk) 21:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

No POV pushing please
In the name of citation don't give as reference any odd article. Encyclopedic articles should cite from tertiary sources. wikipedia is in the serious business of disseminating accurate NPOV accurate knowledge. Internet offers opportunities for 'fan' sites; buy a website. Don't misuse wikipedia facilities, which is precious to many. Weblogan 02:26, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Two instances

1) On August 29 2007, Weblogan deleted the text from this article which stated "M.N.Vijayan refused to accept any award" and inserted a factually incorrect content suggesting he accepted awards and added this line: "Deleted a POV falsehood that said that the author refused all awards given, and inserted the factual position.". But the citation is given here from The Hindu : "He also kept away from established cultural institutions like Sahitya Academy and refused to accept any state-sponsored awards." Weblogan has alleged others of spreading falsehood. The Hindu is not a tertiary source?

2) The New Indian Express, one of the most prominent English Daily newspapers in India published this: "His house in Dharmadom, the small village where Brennan College is situated, was a home for the revolutionaries and the marginalised. Vijayan’s deep knowledge of Freudian psychology made him a psychotherapist. Those who accidentally tasted his counselling skills gave word-of-mouth publicity for that. For years, without any recognised qualification, MN Vijayan practiced counselling and brought back hundreds to normal life." For weblogan it is not tertiary. If The New Indian Express can not be believed, which other source can be believed in India? And weblogan removed the entire paragraph.

The motive is obvious.

Anybody can attempt editing Wikipedia. I can be a journalist, student, professor, thief, or a liar. But I hope readers are capable of understanding if any editor- myself- is saying truth or a lie. And before I alleging others of spreading falsehood, I need "go home and look at the mirror" (to quote a famous Vijayn Metaphor)

No one here questions, additional citations being provided. Anyone can google/visit websites and find out hundreds of articles endorsing the above facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.149.245 (talk) 11:06, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

"guru and counsellor" section
I have removed this again, as in its current form it is not encyclopaedic. All of the statements in it are opinions, which we cannot have in an encyclopaedia, and are not sourced, which they must be to remain in an encyclopaedia. Please read and ensure you understand the pages WP:NPOV, WP:V and WP:OR before contributing again in this way.

Furthermore, many of the recent additions to this article and talk page have been written in sub-standard English. While everyone is welcome to contribute to the English-language wikipedia, a certain level of ability in English is obviously important. There are many other language wikipedias for those who want to contribute but are struggling to do so here.

Lastly, there are definitely conduct issues here. Another page that it may be worth looking at is WP:AGF. Wikipedia does not work as well if everyone is attacking each other all the time. Jdcooper 15:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It is important to have some knowledge of the subject to edit an encyclopedia. Jdcooper has admitted not having knowledge of the topic. The New Indian Express is a news paper published in English and is considered to be one of the most reputed newspapers published in India. (in my opinion after the Hindu it is the most reputed (general) news paper in India)The contents published in the above para of Wikipedia are facts and not opinions. It is elementary to understand what is opinion and what is fact. If a person has couselled two people it is a fact. And not opinion. And if a person has conselled hundreds without commercial interest, it is an extraordinary event, which must be included in his biography. Though, I could have easily included that text in this page earlier, i didnt do till I got a supporting source published in English. Weblogan has consistantly removed facts and published falsehood (example shown above) in this site. It is a joke, the editors had earlier added tag saying Viajan is not famous. The examples and sources given above are self-explanatory. Instead of removing page with biased arguments, please try to give supporting facts if possible, to justify the action, and that is much appreciated, rather than teaming up to destroy facts. Why there are only two or three writers interested to destroy facts here? When M.N.Vijayan passed away, relatively irrelevant websites which had info about M.N.Vijayan had got thousands of hits.(a website i knew got more than 20,000 hits) Wikipedia page about M.N.Vijayan is positioned number 1 in google search results. Many newspapers in India used Wikipedia article to prepare their news among other sources (please compare the contents). These points show that this page is visited by many hundreds (and perhaps thousands). If what is published here are not facts, why hundreds of such visitors (among them many are journalists and writers) never bothered to remove content? Why only one or two people are interested in destroying the content? (and it is these one or two people who are consistantly destroying content.) Curiously, these editors fail to contribute even a single line to this page. There are many other facts I personally know about M.N.Vijayan, the only reason why I dont add them is that I dont have corroboratory written facts in English language to convince others. Remember, internet and websites did not exist during most part of his life and he is a person who never wished to come to limelight. So it is not easy to get sources in English language websites.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.202.82 (talk) 03:17, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I was not referring to the sources when I mentioned sub-standard English, i was referring to the copy added by different editors. I do not need in depth knowledge of the subject to edit this page, I only need in depth knowledge of wikipedia policy (specifically the policy pages I direct you to above). No-one is "interested to destroy facts", myself and Weblogan are only trying to ensure that all the facts included in this page are impartial and supported by sources. The paragraph under discussion is sourced, but not impartial. It is somebody's opinion, and just because somebody's opinion was printed in a newspaper does not make it fact, it makes it an opinion printed in a newspaper. Jdcooper 15:04, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I have translated your additions into correct English and given the section a more neutral title, I hope you are happy with that. Please please also read WP:NPOV, WP:V and WP:OR. Jdcooper 15:26, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Awards--- Again citation is removed. The hindu article clearly suggests : "He also kept away from established cultural institutions like Sahitya Academy and refused to accept any state-sponsored awards." K.M.Sethee's "Mainstream" article also says the same thing. This is not the first time Weblogan removing citation first. He did it in the past.Frst removing citation and after a few weeks removing the article itself saying there is no citation. is appears to be a strategy here.

There is an important stream of thought which argues "works of literature are collective cultural products and do not arise from singular, individual beings". M.N.Vijayan throughout his life was a proponent of this view. He has repeated any number of times that "an author mixes his saliva and the saliva of the society and chew it again and again to produce a literary work. This is an important theory in literary arena, and it is quite well known for those who have elementary knowledge about literature and cultural matters. And what can we say if people who don’t have elementary knowledge want to write encyclopedia? M.N.Vijayan rejected the idea of originality of literary works and that or arts. He argued repeatedly that the question if a piece of art or a literary work is originally created by the author or if the author was influenced by other writer’s works is irrelevant. And no one can separate M.N.Vijayan's views from M.N.Vijayan the individual. And it is because Vijayan had great conviction for the above view that he refused to accept the awards. He argued that you can not compare two literary works. When you compare two work and say one is better, you are rejecting a million possible other readings (interpretation) of that text. (Some people mistake it as his modesty. But it is not modesty.) And he has never created any controversy by rejecting awards, unlike many others. This whole theory, which M.N.Vijayan preached through out his life, can not be explained in this biography. There is no scope for that. But it is very important to note that Vijayan rejected the awards. And his rejecting the awards has a big philosophy behind it. And Vijay (also others) transformed the Kerala literature with these views. Today no one in Kerala would enquire what the author really wanted to say by his book. Today once a book is published, readers accept the text as it is, and many interpretations and many re-readings are possible for the same text. (which is not possible earlier. Earlier you can not make Sita think against Rama. Today in Kerala, a Sita can question Rama, but when Kumaran Asan first did it it was a controversy; but it is no longer a controversy in Kerala. But in many other societies in India, it is still a controversy. No one questions M.F. Hussein in Kerala, and Hussein was fondly invited to Kerala; but not everywhere in India. Vijayan’s views (and that view itself is not original) among many others’s view has transformed the Kerala literature and life and his rejecting of award has also played an important role in the transformation of Kerala life. This is why it is important that one single line should be included in the biography about his rejecting awards. But those people who compare everyone with himself and herself think, "If I were in his position,  I would not have rejected that award. So I should not let others understand this fact." This type of attitude cannot be answered here. But I can only request those who don’t have elementary knowledge not to attempt correcting the history; of course they also can make comments but coercion is not a civilized man's way. I agree removing M.N.Vijayan’s biography altogether- No problem. Because Vijayan’s life doesn’t need this article. But if an article is published, it should do justice to facts and his life. No one has the right to distort the history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.96.209.221 (talk) 18:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

 * The problem here is nothing to do with any of that, it is whether what is written in wikipedia is supported by the sources provided. This particular fact is, in part, but i will modify it to a compromise which is better represented in the source. And please read WP:AGF, jumping to conclusions about your fellow editors' motives is not welcome on this encyclopaedia. Jdcooper (talk) 03:53, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

And Weblogan has deleted the very source arguing : "deleted irrelevant links not substatiating claims made in the write up." (which according to jdcoop support the article in part. And how can a source which support the fact be irrelevant?) What is the justification of deleting the source? (he never attempted modifying the article. But deleted a valid source. Which rule permits him to delete a SOURCE which supports the article partly or fully? It is not the first time he deleting the references. And now you want to modify the article. Okay, agreed. I have never opposed others' rights to modify an article. But destroying is not same as modification. And why cant someone who is good in advising, advise someone who keeps deleting sources and argued to delete the very article earlier. (See the discussion above.)
 * The above statement clarifies "..This particular fact is, in part (supported by source)."

His deleting source can not be seen in isolation with what he had done in the past. He argued on 29th August 2007-- (cur) (last) 11:40, 29 August 2007 Weblogan (Talk | contribs) (7,694 bytes) (→Writings - Deleted a POV falsehood that said that the author refused all awards given, and inserted the factual position.) (undo)

The earlier version was: "Though nominated for various awards, he has refused to accept any, stating a belief that two literary works cannot be compared to give more points to one for receipt of an award. " which is fact?

So his argumnet is that the statment "Vijayan refused to accept award" is a falsehood. It is obvious as black and white. I understand motive behind coming forward to rescue a teammate. Butlame excuses CAN NOT HIDE what he has clearly said his reason for removing this. Whom should we belive why weblogan is removing the article? Weblogan himself or his advocate? Defending the undefendable. And what source Weblogan provided for his version that Vijayn indeed accepted the award? Why is that some editors fail to ask for citation from Weblogan then, for his version of falsehood?

Obviously, these people havent heard of "Death of the Author" and Roland Barthes and Deconstruction theory. For any student it will be amazing to know that even before in France and western world, these theories were discussed, some intellectuals were already writing about them in a remote Eastern location-- Kerala. It is so amazing that Vijan used psychology and Marxism together at the same time Erich Fromm did that in the west. There is very little published about Kesari Balakrishna pillai online. (imagine source-removers asking for citation for Kesari's biography!!!)

This consistant destruction of article about Vijayan will be rightly judged by the time.

Ultimately for an encyclopedia what is important is it should represent the facts and not falsehood. It is daylight clear who is propogating falsehoood. (interestingly, the first version of M.N.Vijayan article is very close to what is published here now. But a thousand times, these articles were removed and re-written. Weblogan has not added a single source to this article. I agree with Jdcoop that the source-removers and friends' knowledge of the subject is a big zero (see earlier comment by jdcooper.) There are millions of other pages what can be edited without knowledge of the subject, and many of them do not have sources and propogate utter falsehood. I request the source-removers to spend their valuable time more constructively. What is the justification of some one sitting and keep deleting source, without adding a single fact to this article?

More importantly the Hindu article source which weblogan has removed now, supports most of the points in this biography. Though that source is added at a certain place in the article (to avoid quoting repeatedly), it supports the entire wikipedia article. In that sense, it is a very important source. I admire the skill of source-removers of identifying the best source to be removed.

Death
There doesn't seem to be a cause of death listed here?--Vylen (talk) 12:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * There wasn't one listed on the article we used to source the death initially, and no-one has come back with a source saying how he died. I'll have a look now. Jdcooper (talk) 14:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Cardiac arrest seems to be what all the news outlets say. 38.100.212.21 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 09:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Based on a Google search, his chief claim to fame appears to be having died on camera.WQUlrich (talk) 20:31, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

The article is of good quality & doesnt seem biased
The article has hardly any tone issues. It is written, and lot of information is available on google on the subject. Some points editor can disagree, but over all it is good. removing "tone" comment, open to discussion and debate (Alex.mathews (talk) 23:40, 29 January 2013 (UTC))

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Hippocampal sclerosis

Hippocampal sclerosis (HS) or mesial temporal sclerosis (MTS) is a neuropathological condition with severe neuronal cell loss and gliosis in the hippocampus. Neuroimaging tests such as magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) and positron emission tomography (PET) may identify individuals with hippocampal sclerosis. Hippocampal sclerosis occurs in 3 distinct settings: mesial temporal lobe epilepsy, adult neurodegenerative disease and acute brain injury.

History
In 1825, Bouchet and Cazauvieilh described palpable firmness and atrophy of the uncus and medial temporal lobe of brains from epileptic and non-epileptic individuals. In 1880, Wilhelm Sommer investigated 90 brains and described the classical Ammon's horn sclerosis pattern, severe neuronal cell loss in hippocampal subfield cornum Ammonis 1 (CA1) and some neuronal cell loss in hippocampal subfield CA4. a finding later confirmed by Bratz. In 1927, Spielmeyer described cell loss of all hippocampal subfields, the total Ammon's horn sclerosis pattern, and in 1966, Margerison and Corsellis described cell loss primarily involving the CA4 subfield, the end folium sclerosis pattern. In 1935. Stauder linked mesial temporal lobe seizures to hippocampal sclerosis.

Hippocampal sclerosis was later found to occur in older adults with neurodegenerative diseases such as frontotemporal lobar degeneration and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. In 2006, researchers determined that amyotrophic lateral sclerosis and frontotemporal lobar degeneration are often TAR DNA-binding protein 43 (TDP-43) proteinopathies. In 2009, researchers recognized that about 10-20% of individuals with frontotemporal lobar degeneration not caused by tau proteinopathy occurred because of a RNA-binding protein FUS (FUS) proteinopathy; hippocampal sclerosis often accompanied the FUS proteinopathy.

In 1994, Dickson et al. described hippocampal sclerosis occurring in elderly demented individuals > 80 years old with disproportionately greater impaired memory. In 2007, researchers determined that this neurodegenerative disease, Limbic-predominant age-related TDP-43 encephalopathy (LATE), is a TDP-43 proteinopathy.

Mesial temporal lobe epilepsy
The typical brain sample is a surgical specimen, a brain sample obtained during epilepsy surgery. The International League Against Epilepsy (ILAE) defines 3 hippocampal sclerosis (HS) types: predominant neuronal cell loss in subfields CA1 and CA4 (HS ILAE type 1), subfield CA1 (HS ILAE type 2) or subfield CA4 (HS ILAE type 3). The classic and total Ammon's horn sclerosis pattern correspond to HS ILAE type 1. Among brain samples with hippocampal sclerosis, HS ILAE type 1 is the most prevalent, HS ILAE type 2 has a 5-10% prevalence, and HS ILAE type 3 has a 4-7.4% prevalence. Mossy fiber sprouting is common.

Dentate gyrus granule cell dispersion refers to a granule cell layer that is widened, poorly demarcated, or accompanied by granule cells outside the layer ( ectopic granule cells ). Although this pattern was thought to be linked to hippocampal sclerosis, a comparative study has shown this association is not correct as the same pattern occurs in brains without hippocampal sclerosis.

A dual pathology is a temporal lobe abnormality that accompanying hippocampal sclerosis. This occurs in about 15% of those with hippocampal sclerosis who completed epilepsy surgery. The dual pathologies include cavernous hemangioma, heterotopia, cortical dysplasia, arteriovenous malformation, dysembryoplastic neuroepithelial tumor, cerebral infarction and cerebral contusion. The common association is dual pathology with HS ILAE type 3.

Adult neurodegenerative disease
The typical brain sample is an autopsy specimen, a brain sample obtained during an autopsy.

For elderly adults with suspected LATE, TDP-43 immunochemistry will determine if TDP-43 proteinopathy caused hippocampal sclerosis. Pyramidal cell loss and gliosis occurs in the CA1 sector, subiculum, entorhinal cortex, and the amygdala. The hippocampal neuronal cell loss and gliosis are disproportionate to the Alzheimer's disease "neuropathological change in the same section." One sided hippocampal sclerosis has a 40-50% prevalence even when the TDP-43 inclusions involve both sides of the brain. TDP-43 immunochemistry does not identify TDP-43 proteinopathy if hippocampal sclerosis arises from hypoxia or mesial temporal lobe epilepsy. Mossy fiber sprouting is uncommon.

The LATE consensus working group report proposed a LATE staging system based on the anatomic location of TPD-43 proteinopathy: amygdala alone (stage1), amygdala and hippocampus (stage 2), and amygdala, hippocampus, and middle frontal gyrus (stage 3); hippocampal sclerosis is not sufficient or necessary for staging.

Immunochemistry may identify RNA-binding protein FUS, phosphorylated tau protein or ubiquitin if frontotemporal lobar degeneration is not caused by TGP-43 proteinopathy.

Mesial temporal lobe epilepsy
On an MRI T2-weighted or T2–fluid‐attenuated inversion recovery (FLAIR) scan, hippocampal sclerosis appears as an increased signal, smaller sized (atrophic) hippocampus with a less well-defined internal structure. Increased signal means that hippocampal sclerosis will appear brighter on the MRI image. Less well-defined internal structure means the expected sharp boundaries between hippocampal gray and white matter structures are absent. The total volume of the hippocampus is also reduced. The reduced volume arises from neuronal cell loss, and increased signal arises from gliosis.

The 18F-fluorodeoxyglucose PET (18F-FDG) scan may show decreased glucose metabolism in the temporal lobe with hippocampal atrophy. This region of decreased glucose metabolism may extend beyond the hippocampus and involve the medial and lateral temporal lobe.

Adult neurodegenerative disease
In LATE, MRI often shows asymmetrical hippocampal atrophy that progresses in a rostral-caudal gradient. Inferior frontal, anterior temporal, and insular cortex atrophy often accompanies LATE hippocampal atrophy, the same anatomical pattern of TDP-43 proteinopathy at autopsy. Reduced subiculum and CA1 volumes identified by MRI correspond to hippocampal sclerosis later identified at autopsy.

The 18F-FDG PET scans of those with LATE show reduced glucose metabolism in the medial temporal lobe including the hippocampus.

Mesial temporal lobe epilepsy
Hippocampal sclerosis is the most common brain abnormality in those with temporal lobe epilepsy. Hippocampal sclerosis may occur in children under 2 years of age with 1 instance seen as early as 6 months. About 70% of those evaluated for temporal lobe epilepsy surgery have hippocampal sclerosis. About 7% of those with temporal lobe epilepsy have familial mesial temporal lobe epilepsy, and 57% of those with familial mesial temporal lobe epilepsy have MRI evidence of hippocampal sclerosis.

Electroencephalographic and surgical studies show that temporal lobe seizures arise from hippocampal regions with severe neuronal cell loss. Intracranial electroencephalogram records anterior hippocampal seizure onset in those with severe anterior hippocampal neuronal loss and combined anterior and posterior hippocampal seizure onset in those with severe combined anterior and posterior neuronal cell loss. Surgical removal of the hippocampus that spares neighboring structures leads to improved seizure control in many instances of mesial temporal lobe epilepsy. The absence of hippocampal sclerosis in some with temporal lobe epilepsy suggests that uncontrolled seizures do not invariably lead to hippocampal sclerosis.

There is no clear relationship between febrile seizures and development of mesial temporal sclerosis. Investigators found that hippocampal sclerosis and greater than 10-year epilepsy duration leads to parasympathetic dysfunction, refractory epilepsy leads to sympathetic dysfunction, and left hippocampal sclerosis leads to relatively greater parasympathetic dysfunction. Hippocampal sclerosis may influence how the thalamus modulates the seizures of mesial temporal lobe epilepsy.

The morbidity and mortality of refractory epilepsy and the adverse effects of medication treatment have a severe impact on life. Those with an early age of epilepsy onset and hippocampal sclerosis have a poorer prognosis for becoming seizure-free. Among those with intractable mesial temporal lobe epilepsy and hippocampal sclerosis, about 70% become seizure-free after epilepsy surgery.

Adult neurodegenerative disease
In LATE, TDP-43, a normally non-phosphorylated protein residing in the nucleus, is phosphorylated and mislocalized in the cytoplasm and neurites. The inclusions occur in the amygdala, hippocampus, entorhinal cortex, or dentate gyrus. LATE occurs in about 20-50% of elderly individuals' brains. About 5-40% of those with LATE occur without hippocampal sclerosis. LATE appears as amnestic dementia similar to Alzheimer's disease in elderly adults > 80 years of age.

Hippocampal sclerosis occurs in other neurodegenerative diseases. Hippocampal sclerosis occurs in about 66% of those with frontotemporal lobar degeneration arising from TDP-43 or FUS proteinopathy. Hippocampal sclerosis occurs in about 60% of those with progressive supranuclear palsy TDP-43 proteinopathy (PSP-TDP) and in about 5% of those with Lewy body dementia. Hippocampal sclerosis occurs in about 23% of those with chronic traumatic encephalopathy; TP-43 proteinopathy accompanied 96% of those with hippocampal sclerosis.

Acute brain injury
Hippocampal sclerosis may occur with hypoxic-ischemic injury, hypoglycemia, toxins (kainic acid, domoic acid), and viral human herpesvirus 6 limbic encephalitis.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Big blue room

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The result of the debate was DELETE. -Splash 22:01, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Big blue room
I am not sure about this one. To me, it is a rather stubbish little definition of a phrase that, to my knowledge, does not enjoy a great amount of usage. Personally, I feel that a definition of 'big blue room' is better suited to the Wiktionary, but I am interested in hearing your opinions on it. IINAG 13:27, 1 September 2005 (UTC) (fixed nom. feydey 17:15, 1 September 2005 (UTC))
 * Delete, nonsense. feydey 17:46, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete dicdef at best DV8 2XL 17:25, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Big Blue Delete as litttle green nonsense. Tonywalton | Talk 21:47, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's a running gag, yes, but not worthy of a Wikipedia article. --Carnildo 23:20, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Wikipedia is not paper.  There's almost 1000 Google hits.  The beauty of Wikipedia is that if I come across an obscure phrase, I can come to Wikipedia to find out what it means.  Yes, it's obscure.  So state that right up front in the article.  Yes, it's poorly written right now; so rewrite it.  Samw 13:33, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - Wikipedia is not a dictionary and it is not a collection of indiscriminate information. At best, this article would only be a dictionary definition, which belongs on Wiktionary if it's to stay on a Wikimedia server at all. Rob Church Talk 21:58, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Anecdotal and impressionistic spawn of boredom or mild narcotics. It's not even a dicdef, just home-cooked light philosophy. / Peter Isotalo 08:58, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
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USS Chief (MCM-14)

USS Chief (MCM-14) is an Avenger-class mine countermeasures ship of the United States Navy. She was named for the former USS Chief (AM-315), which in turn was named in honor of all chief petty officers of the US Navy.

She was built by Peterson Shipbuilders, Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin. USS Chief is homeported in Sasebo, Japan and is part of the U.S. Pacific Fleet.

History
USS Chief is named for the former USS Chief (AM-315), and to honor the service and tradition of the Chief Petty Officers of the United States Navy. Chief was christened by Mrs. Susan Bushey (the wife of the seventh Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy MCPON Duane Bushey) on 12 June 1993. Construction and fitting-out was done in Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin, and the ship was accepted from Mr. Ellsworth Peterson on behalf of the United States Navy, and placed in commission by Lieutenant Commander Timothy S. Garrold, USN, her first Commanding Officer, on 8 July 1994.

Crest of USS Chief
Navy blue and gold are the traditional colors of the United States Navy. The mine in the center of the shield represents the mine countermeasures mission of the Chief while the crossed Officer's sword and Enlisted cutlass symbolize Surface Warfare excellence. The fouled Navy anchor, insignia of a Chief Petty Officer, is further symbolic of the United States Navy's leadership and commemorates the fact that Chief was launched on 12 June 1993 during the centennial of the Chief Petty Officer Corps. The three silver stars above the fouled anchor depict the leadership and service of the Master Chief Petty Officers of the Navy (MCPON) – past, present and future and honor the ship's Sponsor.

The stars are also arranged in the same manner about the anchor as the international navigational symbol for lights and shapes about the mast; signifying a vessel engaged in mine clearance operations. There are 84 links in the fouled anchor chain, one for each plank owner, the ship's sponsor, and the Matron of Honor. The trident atop the crest denotes seapower. The blue and white surface from which it rises represents both the sea, upon which the ship was born.

Surrounding the trident are seven stars representing the seven Battle Stars won during the Second World War and the Korean War by the first ship to bear the name Chief, USS Chief (AM-315). The five above the trident for World War II and the two alongside for the Korean War.

Between 2006 and 2007, the first command senior enlisted who were graduates of the Command Master Chief/COB class at Newport, Rhode Island, were appointed to minesweeper units. The command senior chief billet was established and provided guidance and advocacy for enlisted sailors assigned to the ship. The command senior chief served as an advisor to the commanding officer on all issues pertaining to enlisted matters. While command senior chiefs were assigned to "crews" and not the ship specifically, it is hard to determine who was the first rated command senior chief on board USS Chief. However, records show that CMDCM(AW/SW) Jim Cahill and HMCS(SW/FMF) Chad Smith from Crew Conflict were the first command-appointed senior enlisted leaders on board USS Chief (MCM-14). In January 2015, the navy announced the command senior chief rating CMDCS, whereas previously assigned senior enlisted leaders retained their rating.

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Grijó (Vila Nova de Gaia)

Grijó is a former civil parish in the municipality of Vila Nova de Gaia, Portugal. In 2013, the parish merged into the new parish Grijó e Sermonde. The population in 2011 was 10,578, in an area of 11.33 km². It is the birthplace of André Gomes who plays for Everton FC.

History
Grijó was the seat of a municipality until the beginning of the 19th century. The municipality was composed of a single parish and, in 1801, had 1,523 inhabitants.

History
On 10–11 May 1809, in the context of the Peninsular war, the Battle of Grijó took place near the town of Grijó.

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Punishment (TV series)

Punishment is an Australian television soap opera made by the Reg Grundy Organisation for Network Ten in 1981.

Set in a fictional men's prison, the series attempted to present a male version of its female counterpart Prisoner, which was set in a woman's prison. Attempts by the show's makers to differentiate the series from Prisoner saw Punishment imbued with greater realism; however, the formula did not attract high viewing figures. Network Ten deemed the new series a failure after only three episodes had gone to air, and it was quickly removed from the schedules. The remainder of the 26 episodes produced were shown out-of-ratings later that year. Unusually for a soap opera, the series was taped using the single camera technique.

Grundy produced Punishment mainly to complement Prisoner in international sales, to a point that the pilot was initially telecast in the United States before debuting in Australia. KTLA, the Los Angeles television station that helped launched Prisoner in the United States, originally expressed interest in doing the same with Punishment; it is unknown if KTLA had screened any episodes of Punishment, in light of its failure on Network Ten in Australia.

The programme created by Reg Watson was produced and directed by Alan Coleman. The regular cast featured many notable Australian actors. Mel Gibson played a prisoner in the first two episodes. Kris McQuade played the girlfriend of Gibson's character and was phased out of the series after the first few episodes due to Gibson's departure.

Cast

 * Mel Gibson - Rick Munro (2 episodes)
 * Ken Wayne - Jack Hudson
 * Brian Wenzel - Wally Webb
 * Stephen Yardley - Mike Rogers
 * Barry Crocker - Governor Alan Smith
 * Ralph Cotterill - Russell Davis
 * Michael Preston - Larry Morrison
 * Brian Harrison - Sam Wells
 * Michael Smith - Paul Wells
 * George Spartels - David Roberts
 * Julie McGregor - Julie Smith
 * Kris McQuade - Kate Randall
 * Cornelia Frances - Cathy Wells
 * Arthur Sherman - Andy Epstein
 * Anne Haddy - Alice Wells
 * Penne Hackforth-Jones - Heather Rogers
 * Lisa Peers - Roslyn Rowney

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Yongwang

Yongwang (, literally Dragon King) may refer to:

 * Yongwangdam or Heaven Lake, a lake on the border between North Korea and China
 * Yongwang mountain, a mountain in Mok-dong, Yangcheon District, Seoul

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Bounding mine

A bounding mine is an anti-personnel mine designed to be used in open areas. When it is tripped, a small propelling charge launches the body of the mine 3 to 4 ft into the air, where the main charge detonates and sprays fragmentation at roughly waist height.

The original World War II German S-mine has been widely influential. Other countries that have employed bounding mines in war include the United States, United Kingdom, the Soviet Union, Vietnam and countries of former Yugoslavia. China and Italy have also produced them. Some American mines designed for this purpose used a standard 60 mm HE mortar round with an improvised time delay fuse which is activated by the propelling charge.

Bounding mines are more expensive than typical anti-personnel blast mines, and they do not lend themselves to scatterable designs. Because they are designed to be buried, they are appropriate for command-detonated ambushes, but tripwire operation is common as well. By design, bounding mines contain a large amount of steel, which makes them comparatively easy to detect with metal detectors. However, it is often the case that minimum metal mines are also planted in the same minefield, which complicates the demining process.

Examples

 * S-mine, Germany, nicknamed the Bouncing Betty by most Allied troops, “Frog” by Soviet troops and nicknamed the "Jumping Jack" by Australian and New Zealand soldiers.
 * M16 APM, United States, based on captured S-mine plans. It launches 4 ft into the air and detonates, spraying high-speed metal fragments in all directions.
 * A.P. Mine E.P. No. 4, UK and Commonwealth
 * OZM, Russian family of mines (OZM-3, OZM-4 and OZM-72).
 * PROM-1, Yugoslavia.
 * Valmara 59, Italy.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Hampshire county roads

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The result of the debate was delete. Nufy8 17:54, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

List of Hampshire county roads
Wikipedia is WP:NOT a travel guide, nor an indiscriminate hellpit of redlinks collection of information. Delete Proto t c 13:34, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * delete, as per Proto. UkPaolo 13:39, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * delete, wow... per nom. Roodog2k 14:25, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * delete per nominator DV8 2XL 14:38, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * delete - for above reasons, and for being yet another article that assumes a US default geography. --Doc (?) 17:35, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * delete ne. --TimPope 19:12, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * delete per nominator - if I wanted to know of roads in Hampshire I would look at a Road Atlas Rhyddfrydol 20:22, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per "non-notable" county road in New Hampshire. UniReb 21:29, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

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Alkimos, Western Australia

Alkimos is a coastal suburb of Perth, Western Australia, located 42 km north-northwest of Perth's central business district. It is part of the City of Wanneroo local government area.

For the most part, the suburb is covered in native banksia woodland, scrubland and heath typical of the Swan Coastal Plain. The area is part of the Alkimos-Eglinton region being considered by the State Government for a future city centre and urban region. On 5 November 2008, the WA State Government announced it was actively seeking a development partner for the project.

Geography
Alkimos lies roughly between the future Mitchell Freeway reserve to the east and the Indian Ocean to the west. The locality is bounded to the north by Eglinton, to the east by Carabooda and to the south by the newly developed suburbs of Butler and Jindalee.

History
Alkimos is named after the shipwreck of the Greek freighter Alkimos that ran aground on the coast nearby in 1963. The wreck lies approximately 410 metres off shore.

There are future plans for an Alkimos-Eglinton satellite city, covered by Amendment 1029/33 to the Metropolitan Region Scheme (May 2006). LandCorp estimated that 55,000 people would live in the area once it is complete, that the centre will include "hospitals, tertiary educational institutions, major retail, commercial and recreational facilities" and that stage 1 blocks would be offered for sale in 2008. The Environmental Protection Authority, however, raised concerns in November 2005 about the amendment, saying that it "would, in part, be inconsistent with the conservation and protection of significant environmental and geoheritage values in the area", and recommended that the amount of reserves be greatly increased.

Demographics
Alkimos has a population of 10,203 according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) 2021 census. The suburb was not enumerated in the 2011 census.

Amenities and facilities
Amongst others there is an IGA supermarket in Alkimos Beach and a Coles supermarket in Alkimos Trinity estate. Eglinton Rocks and the Alkimos wreck can be viewed from the coastline, where almost untouched beaches are accessible by sandtrack which can be reached from the Marmion Avenue stretch. The suburb offers a wide array of native scrubland, woodland and heath, varying in condition from excellent to completely degraded, and including Xanthorrhoea preissii (traditionally known as "balga"), banksia, sheoak and Nuytsia floribunda. Some degradation has occurred due to uncontrolled vehicular access, clearing for stock grazing, fire and rabbits.

Education
The 3 public primary schools in Alkimos are Alkimos Primary School, Alkimos Beach Primary School and Shorehaven Primary School. The public high school in Alkimos is Alkimos College, which opened to Year 7 students in 2020, and will grow to Year 12 students by 2025. Year 8 to 12 students can go to the nearby Butler College. It is expected that another public high school will be needed in Alkimos by 2024. St James Anglican School is a K–11 Anglican school in Alkimos, which will expand to Year 12 students in 2021.

Transport
In 2008, Marmion Avenue was extended through the suburb, which had previously been unserviced by the road network. In 2023, the Mitchell Freeway was extended to the southern part of the suburb, terminating at Romeo Road. Transperth operates the 490 and 491 bus services from Butler railway station, which pass through the suburb to Two Rocks and Yanchep respectively; the bus routes are operated by Swan Transit.

The Joondalup Line will be extended through the area with Alkimos railway station planned to be opened on the 15th July 2024.

Bus

 * 483 Alkimos to Clarkson Station – serves Benenden Avenue, Santorini Promenade and Hollington Boulevard
 * 484 Alkimos to Clarkson Station – serves Benenden Avenue
 * 490 Butler Station to Two Rocks Shopping Centre – serves Marmion Avenue
 * 491 Butler Station to Yanchep – serves Marmion Avenue

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Ashby, Western Australia

Ashby is a suburb of Perth, the capital city of Western Australia 26 km north of Perth's central business district. Its local government area is the City of Wanneroo.

The suburb came into being in the late 1990s as a subdivision of Wanneroo, and was named in 1997 after a local landowner, Mr E E Ashby, who owned land in the area in 1913.

Geography
Ashby is a triangular suburb and is bounded by Wanneroo Road to the southwest, Pinjar Road to the southeast and Conti Road to the north. About 40% of the suburb has been developed for residential purposes.

Transport
Transperth bus route 467 operates through the centre of the suburb along Carosa Road, while route 468 operates along the western edge on Wanneroo Road.

Bus

 * 467 Joondalup Station to Whitfords Station – serves Carosa Road
 * 468 Joondalup Station to Whitfords Station – serves Wanneroo Road

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Talk:Scale factor

this question in the article

skatemodel???
I assumed skatemodel was a typo for Scale model.

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Talk:Tchadanthropus uxoris

According to Nature it was a H. sapiens sapiens.--Dustin Asby 13:36, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

 * The situation is really unclear for someone who is not a specialist, like me. It looks like T. uxoris is treated as a synonym of H. erectus, but that the skull which was found is said to be no more than a few hundred years old. I've changed the article to reflect this uncertain situation, but someone who is more knowledgeable should perhaps take a look. Eugene van der Pijll 18:37, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I am not going to check once again whether my correction was reverted again; therefore once again for people interested in correct information: Tchadanthropus uxoris is a typical Homo heidelbergensis as definded since appr. the mid-1990s. Earlier (and by older scholars up to today), Homo heidelbergensis (also called archaic Homo sapiens by some) as a whole, or parts of it, was considered part of Homo erectus, hence the confusion. As for Homo sapiens sapiens (today correctly Homo sapiens), the find cannot be part of Homo sapiens as defined since the mid-1990s because it is too old - 700 000 - 900 000 years. I know this sounds complicated, but you just have to distinguish between the old and the new taxonomy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.168.236.254 (talk • contribs).

 * Can you cite your source? There are two sources in the article now, supporting (a) a classification in H. erectus, and (b) in H. sapiens sapiens. AFAICT, the specimen is just too badly preserved even to measure its approximate age, but if there has been some recent development, we'd like to know. -- Eugène van der Pijll 00:45, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Aida cloth

which part of the article is "needing factual verification"? --Melaen 13:36, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Someone who has a copy of the “Dictionary of Needlework” mentioned in the article needs to confirm that the definition actually comes from that book (and that edition, if there are others).

History
The history of this name is somewhat obscure, and has been discussed several times on the newsgroup rec.crafts.textiles.needlework. The general consensus there is that the cloth was originally named "Java Cloth", and the name was changed to "Aida Cloth" (possibly for marketing purposes) some time around the turn of the 20th century. One post to the newsgroup cites this early definition:

"'AIDA CANVAS--This material, introduced under the French name Toile Colbert, is a description of linen cloth. It is also called “Aida Cloth” and Java Canvas as well as “Fancy Oatmeal” ... A cotton cloth of the same make is known by different names, those most employed being Basket Cloth and Connaught.”" (from the “Dictionary of Needlework”, London 1887, possibly by Sophia Caulfield & Blanche Saward ISBN 0-907854-10-9)

Zweigart, a leading textile manufacturer in Germany and Switzerland, has claimed that they developed the first aida cloth in 1890.

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Newsgroups are not acceptable citations and I was unable to locate any verification of the text claim on the Zweigart website. The remiaining citation is incomplete. Retaining this material on talk in case anyone wishes to verify it through reliable sources. Durova Charge! 00:36, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

The OED entry for Aida
A loosely woven linen cloth with an even mesh, traditionally used in cross-stitch embroidery. Freq. attrib., esp. in Aida cloth. Cf. Java canvas n. at Java n. 5.

1877  Englishwoman's Domest. Mag. Oct. 213/2  Antimacassar. Embroidery. Ground of Aida cloth. 1892  G. S. Cole Compl. Dict. Dry Goods (rev. ed.) (at Canvas),  Honeycomb, Java, Penelope, Aida, Railroad and Congress, are varieties of canvas, woven in small square meshes, used for working fancy embroidered toilet articles with the needle. 1916  Teacher's Jrnl. Jan. 353  The common sewing stitches worked out on Aida cloth. 1950  Hartford (Connecticut) Courant 2 Nov. 4/5 (advt.)    Needlepoint pin cushion on Aida Cloth. 1994  Pop. Crafts Dec. 23/1  Mark the centre of each piece of aida, lengthwise and widthwise with a line of basting stitches. 2001  M. Ferris Unraveled Sleeve vii. 96  She pulled her needle from its place on the border of the Aida cloth, consulted the Sue Lentz pattern, and took a couple of stitches.

The above is the full, current entry for Aida in the OED. It seems to me that it provides some of the historical sources that are being asked for, but also that it will need more work than I am willing to do at present to incorporate it seamlessly. I see they have a citation earlier that that claimed by Zweigart. MidlandLinda (talk) 15:45, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

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Glenview High

Glenview High is an Australian television drama series produced by the Reg Grundy Organisation for the Seven Network between 1977 and 1978.

Story
English teacher Greg Walker (Grigor Taylor) transfers from the country to Glenview High, a tough high school in Sydney. He clashes with rebellious students Tony Moore (Brandon Burke) and Danny Smith (Brett Hinch). Despite his toughness, Tony has a grudging respect for Mr Walker while Danny is only interested in being popular with the female students.

Other staff at the school are efficient yet sympathetic principal Margaret Gibson (Elaine Lee), and cynical science teacher Harry Carter (Bill Kerr) who regards all students as the enemy.

Greg's home life is also shown. He moves in with his brother Tom (Ken James), who boards platonically with flight attendant Robbie Dean (Rebecca Gilling) and the ditzy Jill Beamish (Camilla Rountree).

Main cast

 * Grigor Taylor as Greg Walker
 * Brandon Burke as Tony Moore
 * Brett Hinch as Danny Smith
 * Elaine Lee as Margaret Gibson
 * Bill Kerr as Harry Carter
 * Ken James as Tom
 * Rebecca Gilling as Robbie Dean
 * Camilla Rountree as Jill Beamish

Guest cast

 * Alan Cinis
 * Anne Haddy as Mrs O’Brien
 * Anne-Louise Lambert as Susan
 * Ben Gabriel
 * Bettina Welch as Fiona
 * Bruce Barry
 * Christine Amor
 * Debra Lawrance as Jane
 * Elisabeth Kirkby as Mrs Mackay
 * Fiona Spence as Maxine
 * Frank Wilson
 * James Elliot
 * Lorna Lesley as Sally (1 episode)
 * Mike Dorsey as Doyle
 * Monica Maughan as Mrs Wills
 * Ray Meagher as Policeman
 * Rowena Wallace as Pam Wilson
 * Serge Lazareff
 * Sheila Kennelly as Val Deevney
 * Sigrid Thornton as Georgiana
 * Tex Morton as Grant
 * Thelma Scott as Kathleen
 * Tom Burlinson as Robbie’s Dream Man
 * Tracy Mann as Cheryl Harrison
 * Wendy Playfair

Production
The first season of 16 episodes cost $1 million dollars to make. The production team spent three moths of research time, working with teachers, students and the education department.

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Banksia Grove, Western Australia

Banksia Grove is a suburb of Perth, Western Australia, located within the City of Wanneroo. Its postcode is 6031, and it was until the late 1990s part of Neerabup. The suburb is approximately 27 km NE of the Perth central business district, 8 km east of the coast and 5 km ENE of Joondalup.

Suburban development
In 2005, the Banksia Grove Joint Venture partnership was established to revive and develop the suburb. The $2 billion project will create a further 3500 home sites to complement the existing 650 developed prior to 2005. In total an estimated 12,000 residents will call Banksia Grove home by the project's completion in 2020. The new community contains a diverse range of housing types to suit residents in differing life stages and backgrounds.

Housing in the new section has fibre to the premises as standard, provided by NBN Co as an estate network, and resold by providers, which also transmits commercial television. Recently the more established section received and is continuing to receive further rollout of the National Broadband Network, as is some sections of the new area.

Major facilities for the area include:
 * The Banksia Grove District Shopping Centre, of which Stages 1 & 2 are completed
 * An education precinct including the new Joseph Banks Secondary College, shared playing fields and a planned primary school
 * A 42 hectare Bush Forever zone with native retained bushland
 * Over 30 hectares of parkland including Discovery Park, which contains a living stream water feature, amphitheatre and Pitstop Park adventure playground

In late 2018, development of a parcel of land began that is in close proximity to the shopping precinct. Named "Coda", it primarily consists of high density narrow lots, with two story homes. Sales of all lots and builds of individual homes is expected to be completed by the end of 2019.

Demographics
Banksia Grove had a population of 9,350 at the 2016 census, 1,940 at the 2006 census, and 1,136 at the 2001 census.

Facilities
Banksia Grove Village was the first stage of the Banksia Grove District Shopping Centre. When completed it contained a Coles Supermarket, service station, several fast food outlets, a cafe and other small retail outlets. Woolworths and Aldi supermarkets are also now trading with several other outlets including chemist, hairdresser, fast food and a proposed coffee shop will be open mid-2018. a car wash facility has also commenced trading. Autobahn have also confirmed they will be opening for business in the near future. Even though Banksia Grove is only a ten-minute drive to the coast it is not considered a coastal suburb by Western Australian standards.

Education
The suburb currently has three primary schools and one high school:
 * Banksia Grove Primary School - formally Neerabup Primary School) (government)
 * St John Paul II Catholic Primary School (formally Banksia Grove Catholic Primary School) (private)
 * Grandis Primary School (government)
 * Joseph Banks Secondary College (government)

Leisure
"Spring in the Grove" is an annual community festival held on the first Sunday in November every year. The event is supported by the City of Wanneroo and the Banksia Grove Partnerships. It is organised and run by volunteers, and staged at various venues. In previous years it has been held at Discovery Park and the Joseph Banks Secondary College grounds.

Discovery Park has a man-made stream meandering through ponds with sunny and shaded grassed areas, covered picnic tables and free electric barbecues. Because the waterway system is isolated from natural water, it is able to be stocked with a large amount of colourful koi. It also has an open-air amphitheatre.

Adjoining this is Pitstop Playground, which has a training cycleway for children, and play equipment.

A skatepark was opened in 2019 on the corner of Grandis Boulevard and Pinjar Road.

Transport
The suburb is served by bus routes which provide connections to the Joondalup railway line via the Joondalup railway station. Route 390 from Joondalup Station to Banksia Grove operates along Joondalup Drive and Grandis Boulevard to a terminus on Forever Boulevard in the eastern part of the suburb. Selected services deviate via Joseph Banks Secondary College, Banksia Grove Primary School, or along Viridian Drive, which was an old alignment of the route. Route 391 from Joondalup Station to Banksia Grove operates along Ghost Gum Boulevard to a terminus on Glasshouse Drive in the western part of the suburb. This route services the Banksia Grove Shopping Centres. Selected services extend to Joseph Banks Secondary College and the reverse direction as well.

Bus

 * 390 Banksia Grove to Joondalup Station – serves Forever Boulevard, Grandis Boulevard, Elderiana Link, Joondalup Drive and Pinjar Road
 * 391 Banksia Grove to Joondalup Station – serves Glasshouse Drive, Botanic Avenue, Ghost Gum Boulevard and Jewel Way

Social issues
In 2010-2011 Banksia Grove had 396 offences. Despite growing in population nine-fold over the last 7 years, a concerted effort by local police has kept this to 442 (2018-2019), decreasing the ratio per 100 residents, and the suburb is maturing as a social place to live. Police response times are better than most outer suburbs, having the academy, along with Joondalup and Wanneroo Police stations within close transit. In late 2018 a neighbourhood watch was established. A visibly higher police presence is also attributable to the Joondalup Police Academy using Joondalup Drive quite frequently to travel to Bullsbrook, where they engage in training in police pursuits, off-road capabilities and other driver skills required by their industry. Community members are able to become part of two established Facebook groups and several buy/sell and a type of "pay it forward" group.

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Butler, Western Australia

Butler is an outer suburb of Perth, Western Australia, 41 kilometres north of Perth's central business district. It is part of the City of Wanneroo local government area. It forms the majority of the Brighton Estate, a large commercial and residential development by Satterley.

Geography
Butler is bordered to the west by Jindalee and Quinns Rocks (Marmion Avenue), to the south by Merriwa and Ridgewood (Lukin Drive) and to the north by Alkimos (Butler Boulevard). The Mitchell Freeway separates Butler from the rural locality of Nowergup in the east.

2 kilometres west of Butler is the Indian Ocean.

Name
"Butler" was approved by the Shire of Wanneroo for the area in 1979 in honour of John Butler, the first recorded explorer of the Wanneroo and Lake Joondalup areas in 1834.

The marketing of the "Brighton Estate" in Butler by Satterley, with many amenities and establishments also adopting the "Brighton" nameplate (e.g., Brighton Village Newsagency), has led to Brighton's becoming synonymous with Butler and causing confusion amongst residents and sight-seers alike. Residents submitted a petition to the City of Wanneroo in 2003 for the suburb's name to be permanently changed to Brighton. The request was rejected on account of duplication with many other places across Australia named Brighton, as well as the name's lacking both historical and cultural significance within the area.

Suburban development
Although Butler was gazetted in 1979, it remained unpopulated bushland until the early 2000s, with no landmarks or conventional roads providing direct access to the area. The Butler-Ridgewood Agreed Local Structure Plan was approved by the City of Wanneroo in 2002, allowing early subdivision and development of the site to commence in 2003 by Satterley, the principal investor in the suburb.

Satterley's Brighton Estate plan takes up all of Butler and also extends into the neighbouring suburbs of Ridgewood, Jindalee and Alkimos. Butler contains four sub-divisional estates within the Brighton area; "The Dunes", "The Green", "Seahaven" and "Junctions North". Over $120 million was spent on landscaping, civil construction and community infrastructure to create the Seahaven and The Green estates, the Brighton Village Shopping Centre on Marmion Avenue and the Central Park Precinct.

Demographics
At the 2006 census, Butler had a population of 5,056. This represents a huge increase, as Butler's population was negligible during the 2001 census five years earlier. The population is predicted to continue growing at a remarkable rate, peaking at 12,903 in 2016. Only 53.4% of Butler's population were born in Australia, with 25.4% born in the United Kingdom, a proportion inbetween the nearby suburbs of Mindarie(31.27%) and Quinns Rocks (19.7%).

The average age of Butler's residents is 28, a very young population compared to the Australian national average of 37. Income levels are also substantially above the national average, with a median household income of $1,205 per week, compared to $1,027 per week nationally. 49.8% declared a denomination of Christianity as their religion, with Anglicanism being the most popular at 24.3%. Butler contains one church, Kingdomcity. 26.6% of the population declared no religion.

Amenities and facilities
Butler was established by the Department of Planning as a "district centre" in their Directions 2031 urban expansion plan, highlighting it as a centre for commercial activity and public services, secondary to the nearby town centres of Clarkson and Alkimos.

Kingsbridge Boulevard, one of the core distributor roads through Butler, contains a strip of shops, banks and public services, as well as a large Coles supermarket. Along this stretch is also a pub, The Cornerstone Tavern, opened in 2010, which provides nightlife and entertainment functions for the whole area from Butler to Jindalee. Most of Butler's amenities are located at the western edge of the area, adjacent to Marmion Avenue, while eastern Butler remains strictly residential in character.

Butler contains several parks in various places throughout the area, including a strip of parkland running all the way down Kingsbridge Boulevard. The Butler Community Centre is located in south Butler.

Education
Butler contains three state K-6 primary schools, Butler Primary School, East Butler Primary School and John Butler Primary College. The one state high school is Butler College.

Butler students also have the option of Christian education. Brighton Catholic Primary School serves students from K-7, while the large Irene McCormack Catholic College accommodates Years 7-12. Both schools are privately funded.

Transport
The Mitchell Freeway forms the eastern boundary of the suburb, with an interchange at Butler Boulevard. At the western edge of the suburb, Marmion Avenue connects Butler to the far outer suburb of Yanchep in the north. Connolly Drive also terminates at Butler, and runs parallel to Marmion Avenue into Clarkson, Kinross and Currambine.

Public transport
The Butler railway station on the Joondalup line was opened in 2014 in northern Butler and is currently the terminus of the line. This station provides a rail link to Joondalup and onwards to Perth and Mandurah. Butler station is also served by six bus routes, three of which run south through Butler to terminate at Clarkson station

Bus

 * 483 Alkimos to Clarkson Station – serves Hollington Boulevard, Camborne Parkway, Mansfield Avenue, Butler Station, Butler Boulevard, Kingsbridge Boulevard, Shropshire Crescent, Bradman Drive and Lukin Drive
 * 484 Alkimos to Clarkson Station – serves Benenden Avenue, Butler Boulevard, Butler Station, Landbeach Boulevard and Shepperton Drive

Bus routes serving Butler Boulevard and Marmion Avenue:
 * 480 and 482 Butler Station to Clarkson Station
 * 490 Butler Station to Two Rocks Shopping Centre
 * 491 Butler Station to Yanchep

Rail

 * Joondalup Line
 * Butler Station

Politics
Butler is part of the electoral district of Mindarie and the federal Division of Pearce. Residents of Butler first began voting at the Butler Primary School polling booth at the 2004 federal election.

Like many neighbouring "mortgage belt" suburbs, there is a strong trend for residents to vote Australian Labor Party at state level, while voting Liberal at federal level.

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