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Personal Computer World

Personal Computer World (PCW) (February 1978 - June 2009) was the first British computer magazine. Although for at least the last decade it contained a high proportion of Windows PC content (reflecting the state of the IT field), the magazine's title was not intended as a specific reference to this. At its inception in 1978 'personal computer' was still a generic term (the Apple II, PET 2001 and TRS-80 had been launched as personal computers in 1977. ) The magazine came out before the Wintel (or IBM PC compatible) platform existed; the original IBM PC itself was introduced in 1981. Similarly, the magazine was unrelated to the Amstrad PCW.

History
PCW was founded by the Croatian-born Angelo Zgorelec in 1978, and was the first microcomputer magazine in Britain. PCW’s first cover model, in February 1978, was the Nascom-1, which also partly inspired Zgorelec to launch the magazine. Its August 1978 issue featured the colour capabilities of the Apple II.

PCW went monthly from the second edition. Zgorelec went into partnership with Felix Dennis who published his first issue in September 1979. before selling the title to VNU in 1982. The magazine was later owned by Incisive Media, which announced its closure on 8 June 2009.

As the magazine was launched four years before the first IBM PC (reviewed in the magazine in November 1981) the magazine originally covered early self-build microcomputers. It later expanded its coverage to all kinds of microcomputers from home computers to workstations, as the industry evolved. Regular features in the earlier years of the magazine were Guy Kewney's Newsprint section, Benchtests (in-depth computer reviews), Subset, covering machine code programming, type-in program listings, Bibliofile (book reviews), the Computer Answers help column, Checkouts (brief hardware reviews) TJ's Workshop (for terminal junkies), Screenplay for game reviews and Banks' Statement, the regular column from Martin Banks. In 1983 Jerry Sanders joined the staff as Features Editor and wrote the first published review of Microsoft Word 1.0 for the magazine.

The cover style, with a single photo or illustration dominating the page, was adopted soon after its launch and continued until the early 1990s. The cover photos were often humorous, such as showing each new computer made by Sinclair being used by chimpanzees, a tradition that started with the ZX81.

PCW eagerly promoted new computers as they appeared, including the BBC Micro. The magazine also sponsored the Personal Computer World Show, an annual consumer and trade fair held in London every September from 1978 to 1989.

The magazine underwent a major reader marketing push in 1992, resulting in its circulation figure rising from a middle-ranking 80,000 to more than 155,000 at a time when personal computing was becoming hugely popular thanks to Windows 3.1 and IBM PC clones flooding the market. PCW battled with rivals Computer Shopper, PC Direct, PC Magazine and PC Pro for several thousand pages of advertising each month, resulting in magazines that could run to over 700 pages.

The magazine typically came with a cover-mounted CD-ROM or DVD-ROM, which held additional content. Although the magazines themselves were identical, the DVD version cost more than the CD-ROM version.

During a brief period in 2001, the magazine was (effectively) sold as 'PCW' as part of a major overhaul of the magazine design and content, but this abbreviation was dropped from the cover after just a few issues. The content also reverted from having been a bit more consumer electronics focused to return to its roots.

The magazine changed (both in terms of style and content) on many occasions after its launch. The last major change took place with the November 2005 issue, when the magazine was relaunched with an updated look (including glossier paper and a redesigned layout), new features, fewer advertising pages, and a slightly higher price tag.

Editors of the 1990s include Guy Swarbrick, Ben Tisdall, Simon Rockman, Gordon Laing and Riyad Emeran. At the time of its closure, the editor was Kelvyn Taylor.

Closure
The magazine was closed in June 2009, with owners Incisive Media quoting poor sales and a difficult economic climate for newsstand titles. At the time of closing, it was the second most popular monthly technology title in the UK, with an audited circulation figure of 54,069 Its last issue, dated August 2009, was published on 8 June 2009. This final issue made no mention of its being the last one, and advertised a never to be published September issue. Subscribers were offered the option of a refund, or transferring their subscriptions to PCW's sister magazine, Computeractive.

At its close PCW featured a mixture of articles, mainly related to the Windows PC, with some Linux and Macintosh-related content. The news pages included reports on various new technologies. Other parts of the magazine contained reviews of computers and software. There was also a 'Hands On' section which was more tutorial-based. Advertising still made up a proportion of its bulk, although it had diminished somewhat since its peak in the 1990s.

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A welcome from Sango123
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-- Sango  123  23:34, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you need help with anything or simply wish to say hello. :)
 * Thank you Sango! Profero 09:49, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

http://www.nationmaster.com/ == ==

Anyone – please give me an answer to this: What is the relation between Wikipedia and http://www.nationmaster.com/ ? Profero 18:52, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

nationmaster.com
That's a mirror. You may want to look at Mirrors and forks. -- Phroziac (talk) 19:06, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I see it's a mirror, but how can mirrorsites that also contain commercial content be allowed to use our work strictly intended for non-commercial purposes? Profero 09:46, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Our content is licensed for any use, as long as they tell that it's from wikipedia and give a way to see the authors. As for your message on my talk, HUH? -- Phroziac (talk) 13:19, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

Civility and Development
I am not writing this because of the simple "HUH" above, but as a general reaction to what seems to be a negative language culture many places on Wiki. Please, for the sake of Wiki, try to stick to relevant facts and leave out words like "Fucking", "Dipshit", "Smackbot", "Screwed, "Huh", "Yeesh", "Shit", "Wow", sarcastic comments, etc., just to mention a few found at quick glance. Words like these are considered slang and mostly vulgar or childish. Wiki is used all over the world, and should be used with wisdom in an as educated manner as possible. We all make mistakes, don't we. That's a part of the game of development. Use of contemptuous language often gives an impression that the user is suffering from more or less severe immaturity. I would like to be able to stimulate people that are more knowledgeable and sophisticated than myself to join in the building of a mature community, rather than see them shrug and pass an impression of a kindergarten.  Of course, as long as there is no initial test for admittance, we must learn to deal with this problem as best we can continuously. By the way, I see that abusive use can be blocked in different ways, but how does this apply to similar behaviour in the "upper part" of the Wiki hierarchy?

If you have any constructive comments to this point of view or anything else that is relevant, either to language or substance, you are very welcome to use this discussion page in a polite way. --Profero 12:21, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * For your information, Smackbot is a bot written by Rich Farmbrough. Imroy 21:04, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like I tripped there when I copied some words. But thanks, that was actually constructive information. Is everything else relevant then, in your opinion? --Profero 21:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

No. Lets look at the chain of events, shall we?

 * 1) You upload some photos and try to incorporate them into the Photo manipulation article. You have some trouble with the layout and ask a vague question on the article's talk page.
 * 2) I respond with my opinion and some suggestions. I provide a link to Meta:Help:Table, about using the Wikipedia table format. Nothing out of the ordinary here, something I've done dozens of times before. I originally wanted to fix the page, even reverting your work. But I left it so you could work on it yourself.
 * 3) You revert your additions to the article, and respond to me on the article talk page. You provide links to the Wikipedia civility, etiquitte, and 'No personal attacks' pages, implying I was somehow violating them.
 * 4) I respond, telling you to be more specific in requesting help. I claim that what I wrote was not uncivil or a personal attack. I add 'yeesh' at the end as an expression of exasperation that this issue has blown up like this.
 * 5) Apparently incensed by 'yeesh' and other stronger language on my talk page, you fire off a response on my talk page and the article talk page. You then elaborate further on your own talk page, as well as the Wikipedia Village pump talk page. Although you don't name me, you quote some of my more extreme words out of context, as well as some pretty ordinary words. You claim that these words are vulgar and childish, and further imply that people like myself are somehow hurting Wikipedia.

In closing, I must say I can't believe this has blown up like this. Ok, I was probably a little harsh when I said you'd "screwed up the layout". I'm sorry about that. I didn't mean it in such a negative manner. It was a throw-away comment not meant to attract this much attention.

But does that really warrant this personal attack? It's especially hypocritical considering you originally accused me of a personal attack. I may be a little biased here, but I think you've now done much worse than my original comment.

I think we both need to take a break and cool down. Imroy 02:07, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes I agree with your last sentence, and we can let other users judge who has been rude, hypocritical, who has been worse, etc., hopefully as good or bad examples for the benefit of developing polite manners of communication. We have both been criticized at the Village Pump. --Profero 09:00, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Copyright of images
Hi Profero,

I see you are unhappy about the removal of attribution information at af:R. D. Laing. We do not take copyright and attribution lightly at Wikipedia. In fact, for each image, a whole page is devoted to specifying copyright, attribution and other information pertaining to an image. This is the way we do it for millions of images over all Wikimedia projects. I believe this to be conformant to the GFDL under which you have licenced your image. If you feel that all Wikimedia projects do not conform to the GFDL by not displaying attribution of each contributor at each use of each image, please raise the matter in the correct legal forums. I do however believe it to be in order to specify this information at the image description page, which ensures that all uses of the picture can reach a complete version of the copyright, attribution and other relevant information. Regards, af:Gebruiker:Alias

 * Hello Alias. Thank you for your response. I have agreed to the GFDL use of my images, as far as I understand the guidelines – but I must admit that I find the whole matter of copyright issues rather complicated and not very easy to understand without further study, especially as the rules are different in different countries.  My intention, however, is that my pictures on Wiki can be used freely by anyone. This I think is generous and should be appreciated with clear explicit credit – even if I may not be able to, or even wish to, demand credit on any legal  ground. It is just a matter of politeness, and if politeness is not regarded as a relevant factor in such a case, I feel very   unhappy about it, and why should that be a policy   if not necessary?  Anyone would feel appreciated if given credit, and why should that be a problem at all? Finally, I think that anyone must agree that lack of such a minimal degree of politeness probably would discourage quite a few uploads of good pictures. And I believe that that   can’t be the intention of any policy. So, if you please, feel free to use my picture(s) with credit under each picture, unless there somewhere is a legal demand not   to do so. And if there is, for some reason, please let me know. Profero 11:40, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I definitely don't want to appear to be ungreatful or disrespectful for your contribution - obviously we value all contributions. It seems we only disagree on what flavour of attribution is adequate/desirable/just. Your mention of "minimal degree of politeness" strikes me as a bit strange: As I say, a *whole page* is devoted to providing information on each image. More than a mere "minimal degree" of attribution. Your suggestion that it is not polite (ie rude) is unfortunate. It becomes unwieldy if we have to provide inline credits to all contributors to each article. That could easily include up to tens of authors for an article and several contributors to each image (especially for diagrams and maps). It would become a bit difficult if each contributor specified their own, unique demands for attribution. If I make a derived work of the image (say to sharpen it) in my capacity as an employee of a company and I demand that "Copyright 2006 Greater Johannesburg institute for the advancement of multilingualism in the workplace"  appear directly at each use of the picture, together with your attribution, don't you think it will become unwieldy? It is therefore not merely a matter of legallity or politeness, but also of practicallity. It seems that you therefore do not accept the form of attribution given for your contributions, and I'm struggling to understand why you demand attribution different from all that given with the other millions of images. Nowhere does any contributor to article text get any more credit than his/her name appearing in the history of the article. I don't want to fight a war, so I'll probably leave the matter, but just wanted to explain my actions. I thought we were doing more than being "merely polite". I believe we are following the GFDL not only in letter, but also in spirit. Kind regards, af:Gebruiker:Alias

I am very sorry to have expressed myself in a way to be interpreted as if I meant you, or anyone else, to be rude. This is absolutely far from my mind in this case, and I realize I have been unclear, which I apologize for, and by continuing the discussion I hope not to be seen as argumentative. I thought, perhaps, I had, and have, a constructive argument. By saying “minimal politeness” I only mean to say that I think that under each image should be a short line mentioning who is the creator of the image. Having the credit under the picture deleted was absolutely new for me, as I haven’t seen this been done before on any Wiki page in other languages, and found it strange to see it disappear without explanation. (Please understand that I know I am very novice, so I’m really not on a ‘high horse’ here.) That is what triggered the discussion on to the principal level of discussion we are on now.

Copyright or crediting of images discussion II
I am not convinced of the impracticality of first page credits. Considering the benefits for everyone as I suggested before, isn’t it, on the contrary, quite practical (useful). Let there be no doubt that I agree with you that it obviously would be very impractical to credit everyone who contributes with text, or edits, in the articles. You gave an example of impractical consequences of this, and I take it you understand that I never proposed that kind of crediting. Your exemplification of impracticality by "Copyright 2006 Greater Johannesburg…” I agree is relevant, but a problem arising from such extremeness would be very rare, don’t you think? If this actually is an experienced problem I give in and instead propose that under each picture there should be an unambiguous and clear reference link to image-credit and other information.

If it is a matter of fairness, though, in relation to text contributors I can see a point there, but I have a feeling that good images would be harder to come by without actually having to pay for them. Perhaps I am totally wrong, and perhaps I am insulting a lot of hard working contributors of text. (Though I am also a text worker.) In either case, I hope not, and apologize if I do seem to. However, I think there is a benefit for Wiki, in that other owners of pictures will let their works be used by Wiki-editors more often if credited explicitly on the article page. That is what I am reasoning for. Perhaps I am underestimating the average reader’s understanding and willingness of clicking the image itself to get more information, and potential contributor’s contentment of such indirect credit though.  Finally, let me say that I am very happy to be a part of the Wiki community, as an editor, a contributor of pictures and as a seeker of knowledge. I also appreciate very much the friendly manners in which I have had the fortune to discuss with, and bee guided by, you and others, on the ‘Wikipath’, and remain open for further reasoning. Thank you again. --Profero 18:28, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

 * The thing is that a front page text distracts from the main text, especially since it seems to be the standard to not use them. I do agree with you that people who contribute must always be credited (afterall, some of the images that we speak of are GFDL-licensed images, which requires this explicitly). I firmly believe that credits or copyright notices are best off being in the image description, since the image description should contain the data about the image, and the article should only contain information about the article. Copyright notifications don't have a place in the main article namespace.
 * I don't think that there would be an abundance of images that we may use if we'd give it a front page credit statement. However, it doesn't even matter for almost all images; they can be used either as fair use or without even asking the author if the picture is GFDL or Creative Commons-licensed.
 * In short, I'm not convinced that a credit statement would be beneficial. There aren't more artists to persuade with and it doesn't seem to be correct to credit picture authors while text authors are credited elsewhere. I'm an artist too, although I only really do text contributions on Wikipedia (I've added some images to Extensible Firmware Interface, though). —Michiel Sikma, 14:43, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you Sikma for a very informative reply, and to take the bother to board it. Respectfully yours, --Profero 01:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

'Atomic'
Hi, Wiktionary (here) gives four definitions of 'atomic.' I'm using the fourth. --Smack (talk) 19:13, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

 * You're right that I'm using the word loosely, because strictly speaking, the bit is the only atomic data type in a computer. However, in a way, something like an   is atomic when compared to an array.  How much do you know about computer science?
 * As for talk-page etiquette, I believe that general practice is to post like we're posting now: all of one person's comments on one page, and all of the other person's comments on the other. However, I like to keep everything in one place.  When I post on people's talk pages, I usually watchlist them, and  the boilerplate notice (User:Smack/reply-here). --Smack (talk) 02:54, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Coandă effect
Aloha! I made some changes to the captions of the images, but I like where you've put the images. Of course, I'm biased in that opinion as you put my image at the top ;) I think the animation page can use some tweaking, but it definitely is a good preliminary start!  With our powers combined, the Coandă effect will have a proper article! Axda0002 02:49, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

VNC Loop
Sorry but we have clear rules against neologisms and for notability. AlistairMcMillan 19:24, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Profero, thanks for your comments at Articles_for_deletion/VNC_Loop, but a Keep or Delete vote would be appreciated as well. --Amit 20:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem. WP:NEO and WP:NOTE. AlistairMcMillan 20:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

No worries. I can see you aren't on the list of people he lobbied. AlistairMcMillan 21:15, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

You're right, it is difficult to find where this is specified. I just know it from experience from being involved in AFDs and watching the Admin board. If I find a definitive source I'll update this. AlistairMcMillan 23:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Spinning wheel picture
When you reverted some recents changes to Spinning wheel you also removed a picture (Image:Spinningwheel1.jpg). Did you mean to do that? Tocharianne 17:56, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I am sorry for that. The intent was to revert to a version that was orderly. If you would like to do it in way that keeps the wheel, please do so. --Profero 18:09, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I was going to add it back but someone else beat me to it! Tocharianne 18:14, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * :-) --Profero 18:54, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Missing information
Well the problem is, people who go to Per's article now won't see that information at all unless they also go to Jen's article...which they may not, and the information on the escape is equally relevant to both of them.

I know it's "not popular", but I wonder what you'd think about combining the two articles into "Per Bergsland and Jens Müller"? I could point to Bei-Alla and Musa Tsechoyev as precedent that "these two people have virtually the same story", and it allows us to present "all the facts" to anybody who searches for either name. Thoughts? Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 17:06, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

commons:Image:Shanti Devi Sthlm 1983-vvsm-DSCN2612.jpg
Hi Profero, I'm trying to categorize (esp. sailing) ships a bit more accurately and came across the beautiful picture that you've uploaded to. Do you happen to know whether this is a Swedish ship? If not under a Swedish flag, under which flag does (and did) it sail? Thanks, Ibn Battuta 23:30, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Batuba, It was built in Sweden, but is now under Norwegian flag. For a few years it was registered in Gibraltar. See the article Shanti Devi. --Profero 09:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! (PS: BTW, it's Ibn Battuta, like the real Ibn Battuta :o)) --Ibn Battuta 22:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm sorry Battutie! Seriously, no sweat :D  --Profero 02:20, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Yule
The article has always noted that Yule predates Christianity, so I'm not sure what the problem is. Do you have a source which states that Yule was celebrated on the solstice in pre-Christian times? As far as the primary sources go, Bede gave December 25 as the date of Yule in Anglo-Saxon England while Sturluson gave December 14 for Norway. I assume both dates are only approximate, but neither of them suggests a solstice connection. The solstice is more difficult to observe than phases of the moon, which is what most primative calendars are based on. Kauffner 12:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The fact that the moon is easier to observe has been crucial, I also have made that a point, but the turning of the wheel, (Yule/Jol/Hjul or whatever) and the returning of the sun cycle is the main concept here - and that was what was celebrated, even if the timing was not astronomically correct. --Profero 02:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Copyright problems with Image:Axel Jensen ved Piano-AJ2.jpg
An image that you uploaded, Image:Axel Jensen ved Piano-AJ2.jpg, has been listed at Copyright problems because it is a suspected copyright violation. Please look there if you know that the image is legally usable on Wikipedia (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), and then provide the necessary information there and on its page, if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. meco 11:22, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikimania 2010 could be coming to Stockholm!
I'm leaving you a note as you may be interested in this opportunity.

People from all six Nordic Wiki-communities (sv, no, nn, fi, da and is) are coordinating a bid for Wikimania 2010 in Stockholm. I'm sending you a message to let you know that this is occurring, and over the next few months we're looking for community support to make sure this happens! See the bid page on meta and if you like such an idea, please sign the "supporters" list at the bottom. Tack (or takk), and have a wonderful day! Mike H. Fierce! 11:15, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Coandă effect movies
Hi. I have tagged this page for speedy deletion, because it is not an article. Usually these would go on the image page (and you did put a summary there). That is all that is needed. Not trying to make you feel unwelcome or anything; that's just protocol here. If you need help with anything, don't hesitate to ask me. ☭ Dictator of all Infernal Proletariat Penguins in the USSR  ☭ 20:26, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, If inappropriate it should perhaps be removed. However my argument for establishing "movie-pages" still is that I find most animations on text-pages quite distracting to the reading. So in my opinion "movie-pages" that also refer back to the main page are well motivated, and thus the policy instead should be changed.--Profero (talk) 06:57, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs
Hello Profero! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 1 of the articles that you created  is tagged as an Unreferenced Biography of a Living Person. The biographies of living persons policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to ensure verifiability, all biographies should be based on reliable sources. If you were to bring this article up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current Category:All_unreferenced_BLPs article backlog. Once the article is adequately referenced, please remove the unreferencedBLP tag. Here is the article:

Thanks!--DASHBot (talk) 08:15, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Liv Mildrid Gjernes -

File permission problem with File:Jens Müller in Stalag Luft III.jpg
Thanks for uploading File:Jens Müller in Stalag Luft III.jpg. I noticed that while you provided a valid copyright licensing tag, there is no proof that the creator of the file agreed to license it under the given license.

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 * Hi Rettetast, hope this e-mail does it:
 * From: Jonathan Vance  • Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:47:39 -0500
 * To: Profero  • Subject: RE: Photo credit
 * From: Jonathan Vance  Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:54:19 -0400
 * To: 'Profero' <profero@xxxx.xx> • Subject: RE: Photo credit
 * You are welcome to use the photo, as long as the following credit is noted: Photo courtesy Jonathan F. Vance, Canada Research Chair, The University of Western Ontario." The original was given to me many years ago by Per Bergsland, but I'm afraid I don't know who took it - I expect it was a German photographer brought in to do propaganda shots.
 * Regards, JonathanF. Vance, PhD Professor and Canada Research Chair Department of History, University of Western Ontario
 * -Original Message- From: Profero [mailto: profero@xxxx.xx]
 * Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 11:13 PM To: jvance@xxxx.xx
 * Subject: Photo credit
 * --Profero (talk) 07:07, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Please forward the mail to the above e-mail address. However the permission should mention which license the copyright holder release the image under. Rettetast (talk) 14:56, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * --Profero (talk) 07:07, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Please forward the mail to the above e-mail address. However the permission should mention which license the copyright holder release the image under. Rettetast (talk) 14:56, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:Hariton_Pushwagner.jpg
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R. D. Laing and Axel Jensen
Hi Pofero. I wonder could you help out at all in the discussion at Talk:R. D. Laing? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:37, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

 * I'd like to, although it has been some time since I edited something here. If it's regarding my images above it seems I have too prove either that I have been granted permission from the owner to publish, or that I must provide proof that I myself took the Pushwagner picture. It would be nice if you could tell me exactly how to proceed. Profero (talk) 13:40, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

 * Many thanks for such a swift reply. No, no, the image is fine (as far as I know)! We were just looking for a reliable source for their friendship, viz: "The Norwegian author Axel Jensen became a close friend and Laing often visited him onboard his ship, Shanti Devi, in Stockholm." (There is a bit more deatil in the no.wiki and sv.wiki articles. I am guessing that this could be supported by the content of Jensen's autobiography. But I do not have a copy and I'm not sure there is an English language edition (as I can't read Norwegian). I was wondering if you had access to a copy at all. Thanks so much for any help you could give. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:03, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I've been browsing the book «Axel Jensen - Livet sett fra Nimbus» by Petter Mejlænder - conversations with Axel Jensen, published by "Spartacus forlag". http://www.spartacus.no/index.php?ID=Forfatter&ID2=187&ID3=M (Spartacus publishing) as I knew there are many references to R.D. Laing there. However, I did not find a direct reference to any of the many visits to Axel Jensen in Stockholm onboard S/Y Shanti Devi. On the contrary, I found that the story Axel Jensen told Petter Mejlænder (last sentence on page 199) was that he had not seen R.D. Laing since the time at Kingsley Hall. This is probably because Axel was living in some kind of flow of storytelling towards Petter Mejlænder (into his recorder) that made him sort out a few facts. Now, the truth is that Laing did come to visit several times when I was present. And I took pictures of them together onboard. Some of them were taken inside the boat, which, of course, could have been taken anywhere at any time - like the one I donated to Wikimedia with 'The Book of Knots'. But there's one photo with Laing standing behind the steering-wheel and one of him together with his girlfriend walking in front of the boat and both pictures with scenes of Stockholm in the background. Perhaps good evidence in a court-case :) Anyhow, on page 190 in Mejlænder's book Axel Jensen refers to me, Robert Haraldsen, as his good friend. So, may I say I have no reason to relate to other than facts in this case :)  https://www.facebook.com/groups/axeljensen/   --Profero (talk)  22:09, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

 * Many thanks for your research. It seems we are short of any WP:RS for the boat visits, even though they evidently took place. I wonder could you possibly suggest an edit to the R. D. Laing article which can be supported by that Petter Mejlænder book? I don't think the boat visits in themselves are that important, but the friendship between the two men seems to be. Do you know if Laing "treated" Jensen, or at least helped him, after his break-up with Lena? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:25, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

 * Well, relating to this particular part the edit could perhaps be something like this:
 * "In 1965, Laing and a group of colleagues created the Philadelphia Association and started a psychiatric community project at Kingsley Hall, where patients and therapists lived together. The Norwegian author Axel Jensen contacted Laing at Kingsley Hall after reading his book "The Divided Self" given to him by, Noel Cobb. Axel was treated by Laing and subsequently they became close friends. Laing often visited Axel onboard his ship Shanti Devi, which was his home in Stockholm.
 * However, perhaps it could seem lengthy considering relevance and importance to the article and should be deleted. All I can say is that Axel Jensen tells a lot about his experience with Laing and Kingsley hall in this book. Too bad it is not translated to English. "SY Shanti Devi" was in many ways a 'power spot' where many interesting meetings took place. And, e.g., Pushwagner has depicted the ship in several ways. After arriving in Oslo in 1984 the schooner became headquarters for Oslo International Poetry Festival . When it comes to other possible edits I would have to come back later, but please let me know in what way I could contribute.  --Profero (talk) 12:50, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Profero. Your suggested paragraph looks to me to be perfectly well balanced and proportionate. I will add to the article as a starting point. If further discussion ensues over there I trust you will chip in as you see fit. Many, many thanks for your efforts. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:46, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

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I'm deleting The Mario Brother games from this list. Mario may be a Brooklyn plumber but I think the games all pretty explicitly take place in The Mushroom Kingdom which isn't recognized as one of the boroughs.

Umm, do we really need this article?
 * Why shouldn't people be able to find out how NY is depicted in fictional contexts like games, books and movies? Kappa 23:37, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Arcade games
Where arcade games? I talk here to ask arcade game there, even red articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Junkcops (talk • contribs) 22:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


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hello what is the source for "His campaign extended to the SQL language, which he regarded as an incorrect implementation of the theory. This made his position in IBM increasingly difficult, so he left to form his own consulting" in the page Codd

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P.S. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you need help with anything or simply wish to say hello. :)

Thanks for the welcome
Thanks for the welcome on the object database page. Although, I am puzzled by your comment that I am a "little bit lacking in dispassionate analysis." I am trying to be unbiased. So, could you point out what I missed? Thanks. Doug Barry 13:21, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Question From Jimmy Zhang
Hi, I saw you deleted my entry into XML about VTD-XML and non-extractive parsing. I use SAXON for transformation and admire its power and flexibility. The reason I added a section about non-extractive parsing is because this is a well-known technology capable of helping solving a lot of problems that no other technology/software seems to be able to solve. It is a piece of information that can help a lot people. Whether it is a fringe technology or not... it seems to me more like a subjective view. I intend to base my judgement based on merits and reasoning. Otherwise, what is the difference between a human being and a crocdile? I appreciate your suggestions on this. Please email me at crackeur@comcast.net

 * I think Tim Bray's rewrite of the XML article is excellent in terms of the target readership of an encyclopedia article about XML. If everyone with good ideas about XML-related technologies is allowed to add them to the article, we will quickly end up with a mess again. So removing this was not a view about the merits of the technology, it was a view about what belongs in an overview of XML. One criterion one might use is: if every recent book on XML sees fit to mention the technology, then it is important enough to justify inclusion. If some books on XML don't mention it, then it probably doesn't belong in an article which has to be much shorter and less comprehensive than a book.

 * The right place for this discussion, I think, is the talk page associated with the XML article. Mhkay (talk) 08:19, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Michael Kay (software engineer)
Hello. It's not really a "breach of protocol" to create an article about yourself, however it is generally discouraged. Autobiography is a guideline on the matter. That said, I have no problems with the version you've written, it looks very factual with definite claims to notabilty, which I easily verified. (i.e. none of the problems many autobiographical articles usually have). I'll add some references for the XSL to the article, categorise, and other minor bits though. Regards, MartinRe 18:22, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Nominating AfDs
I cleaned up your AfD nomination, but if you nominate another AfD, a good guide to follow is here. MrKIA11 (talk) 22:48, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Computer Museums and deadPC
Hello, and thanks for your snobbish remarks about my deleted entry: "The fact that the addition made a silly and unnecessary claim to greatness ("Ireland's first") was probably what caused it to be deleted"

Yes, my online computer museum is the first and only one in Ireland. That may be of interest to Irish people, and apologies if you find that uncomfortable.

As regards 'online computer museum' not being proper, of course it is not, in the 17th. Century definition at least - that is why it says 'online', as per 'online shopping', 'online gallery' and a plethora of other such web activities. According to the natural progression of your 'argument' Wikipedia should not exist, for it is not a proper Encyclopedia.

If everyone waited for definitions to catch up with reality, not much would happen. I note that you work for W3C ( who after 10 years can not agree on standards ) so you of all people should understand that. Might I suggest that you find something better to do than gloating about deleted references. That kind of arrogance is turning people off Wikipedia.

I note that you "hoped" in creating your personal page that it did not contravene Wikipedia rules. I was in the same position, though probably knowing less about Wikipedia than yourself. Thanks for the nice welcome.Deadpc (talk) 13:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

 * I didn't delete your text from the computer museums article: someone else did. I was speculating as to why they might have done it. I actually considered it marginal myself. I wasnt' gloating at all; I was inviting discussion as to whether the deletion was appropriate or not.

 * I don't think there's any problem at all with the concept of an online museum. There's an excellent article on the concept by Doron Swade in the current edition of "Computer resurrection". To qualify (a) as a museum, and (b) for inclusion in Wikipedia, however, the material needs to be properly catalogued and documented. While your site is attractive and entertaining, I don't think that comments like "I love the design of this Box ... the console is nice too, until you look for features! The Commodore 64 GS ( Games System ) pretty well marked the departure of Commodore from the market - so sad." are of museum quality.

 * Sometimes the terms "snobbish" and "arrogant" are applied to people who have high standards by people who don't.

 * Mhkay (talk) 16:17, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Indeed ... if you are suggesting that I have low standards, please just say it. I think 'intolerant' would probably have been a better term for me to have used. For example, the reference to 'Bletchley park' is of no interest to me, but I RESPECT the fact that it may be of interest to Britons, and therefore refrain from making sarcastic remarks about it's inclusion on the page. My 'attempt at greatness' as you call it, referencing the fact that I decided to set up an "Online" museum which IS the first in Ireland, is probably similarly of no interest to Britons.

Thank you for your feedback regarding my site. The reference you quoted was intentionally mischevious and irreverant on my part, and intended very much along the same lines as, hypothetically: "The NSU Ro-80's wankel rotary engine was unreliable and lead to warranty claims. This sadly marked the demise of NSU, a great company". The reference there is to what went before. Admittedly the site navigation is messy, admittedly it is '2-D' in appearance, but in terms of actual descriptions there are several issues which I have considered.

Firstly, most online computer collections carry descriptions which - in many cases - are simply copied and pasted from elsewhere. I do not want to do that. It is very much a 'work in progress' and yes, descriptions need to be added. Granted, in traditional museum parlance my descriptions are not 'museum quality' however the entire meaning of the site is firmly in the context of the computer in popular culture: not many people are enthusiastic about 20 year old fridges or vacuum cleaners, for example. In the case of consoles, 'toy computers' essentially, the packaging is an important consideration, designed as it was / is to lure children and create "pester power" in order that parents will make a purchase.

In essence, what I am trying to create is probably more 'Andy Warhol' than 'Caravaggio'. Within the ever - changing Web I do not believe that this is dishonest, nor do I believe that I am being less than transparent in the way in which I am doing it. Many things happen on the web in similar fashion, and the end 'truth' becomes whether or not the idea works ( at least that is my opinion )

Having been away for some time I was disappointed to read your remarks, which came up quite high on a google search of my site's name where previously they had not. I am doing my best, and have worked very hard and spent a lot of my own money on this ( private ) venture. Yes, like any other human I make mistakes. Obviously if I had huge funding things would be different. My website has a 'contact' section and links on every page, and I would be delighted to hear your views, but I would appreciate it if you could contact me via the site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deadpc (talk • contribs) 15:26, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

 * I suspect you really want to be having a conversation with the anonymous user who deleted your edits, not with me: all I did was to speculate on why they might have done it. You seem to have taken particular offence at my conjecture that they might have disliked the entry because of its claim to be a first in Ireland. I made that suggestion because it sounds rather like marketing-speak, and there are many Wikipedia authors who take exception to anything that looks like advertising. The fact that it was Ireland was not the point: I would have made the same remark if it had been Italy, Israel, Iran, or Iceland. The point is that a reference to a site like this should contain a short and objective statement of what can be found on the site, not a claim to be better, greater, earlier, bigger, or glitzier than other sites.

 * You've produced a nice site with a nice collection of pictures and anecdotes about the machines. I think that to claim the title of "museum" it needs to be more than that: it needs to be grounded in scholarly research. I'd personally be quite happy to have it referenced from Wikipedia provided it doesn't claim to be what it is not. Mhkay (talk) 15:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I think we will have to agree to disagree in some respects. I take your point about the possible 'marketing speak' interperetation, however this was not the intention. The eventual aim is to mould the site pretty well into what you describe, though with the emphasis more on the visual: currently it relies more heavily on the visual. It is far from "done and dusted", and certainly there was / is no intention to mislead. Thanks for your opinions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deadpc (talk • contribs) 18:12, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Dear Mr. McKay,

Sorry if we got off on the wrong footing ... I have done a little edit on the page 'computer museum' and would be interested in your views. Thanks. Deadpc (talk) 20:21, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I was a little surprised with your response. The above (previous) comment here related to the article itself, not the 'talk' page associated with it. I edited that and accidentally deleted a lot more than intended. Deadpc (talk) 23:32, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Reverted edits to Run-on_sentence examples
Hi Mhkay,

Your edits to Run-on_sentence appeared to be in good faith, however I reverted them for being derogatory towards a specific entity. It's not really appropriate to reference an excerpt from a company in an article, especially for an example of bad language mechanics. Nick Wilson (talk) 10:28, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why. It's normal practice in books on style to quote both good and bad examples and in each case to say where they came from. But I won't press it.Mhkay (talk) 22:37, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

What are you doing?
Please explain your edits to my adoptee Cpiral's userpage with haste. If I do not get a reply within 24 hours I'm reporting it. Marx01 Tell me about it 19:58, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Also you undid a revision stating it was "ungrammatical". However the formality of the sentence was in question, and "It is not a good idea..." is informal compared to "Poor separations of concerns...". Please consider that Wikipedia is going for encyclopedic content, which strives for proper formality. Marx01 Tell me about it 20:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

 * The revision was ungrammatical because it added a bullet that was a noun phrase to a list whose other items were all complete sentences. I don't share your view on style: you seem to adhere to a very old-fashioned way of writing, that treates the passive mood as somehow more respectable than the active. Mhkay (talk) 13:46, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Yes I admit that I do prefer a passive mood before active mood in an informational text. I still do not feel that the active voice which you are using sounds formal. Is there a way it could be active voice and still have formal properties? Marx01  Tell me about it 18:05, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

 * The text seems to have been improved since I changed it, and I have made a further improvement so that the entries in the list are all now consistent in style.Mhkay (talk) 17:33, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

What pompous tosh?
Mr. Kay,

You are a Member of the W3C, and an expert on the topic of XML. You frequently edit XML Schema (W3C).

There is a section called "Criticism", that is critical of your organization (W3C) as it relates to XML. For example, this section says "The W3C Recommendation itself is extremely difficult to read."

 * Um, no. It is not critical of the organization, it is critical of one of its outputs (and it is not "my" organization; and I am not a "member", I am an "invited expert").
 * You missed where I said "as it relates to XML."
 * Your user page says "[I am a] Member of the W3C...".
 * For the record: it's a somewhat subtle distinction, but members of the W3C are always organizations, whereas members of its working groups can be individuals. The page says I am a member of certain working groups, not of W3C itself.Mhkay (talk) 18:23, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I edited that section (Criticism) and changed
 * "who admittedly promotes his own version" [the non-W3C version] to
 * "promotes his own version"

The protest that followed compels me to assert that you have a potential conflict of interest that has actively defended a biased remark.

 * I wrote the summary of James's criticisms because there was previously a poorly written and highly subjective set of criticisms on the page, and James's views are far more coherent and well argued. But I felt it necessary to point out that he has an interest in the matter, which is why I added the "admittedly" phrase.Mhkay (talk) 10:10, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Your expertise is a gift of knowledge, made even more encyclopedic by the citation label "James Clark". Mr Clark's persona does not need "balancing".  Cp i r al Cpiral  23:09, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Cp i r al Cpiral 20:26, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I find it very odd that as one of the editors of a spec I should be accused of bias and lack of objectivity as a result of making strenuous efforts to ensure that criticisms of that spec are well represented in the article! Mhkay (talk) 10:10, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Only when another person points it out does self-scrutiny reveal bias, because by definition, bias is invisible. It's an odd feeling.  Cp i r al Cpiral  20:26, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Furthermore it appears to have driven you to edit a user page to make a negative personal remark.

 * I did not make personal remarks about you, I criticized what you said (in your explanation for the changes you made). I didn't revert your changes, but I felt your explanation for them (that the adverb "admittedly" somehow injected a point of view, rather than (in my view) adding balance) was way off the mark.Mhkay (talk) 10:10, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Remarks are marks having implications: "you are pompous". Another is "you write nonsense." But OK, my "edit summary" was tosh and pompous because it was propaganda, what I considered the opposite extreme of what I edited out. How was I to know my propaganda would fall on it's author's ears?  I apologize.  I now know better how not to make edit summaries.  Cp i r al Cpiral  20:26, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I would submit that in objective reality, the encyclopedic reality, that every conceivable motivation, conscious or not, all summed up, then informed James Clark's act. Then writing "admittedly promotes" or "lovingly offers" are both true, but both at odds with one another, and so both are unnecessary and dangerous forays into the creation of an unreliable "excuse" reality, a "reality explained" that we are asked over and over again not to make. Cp i r al Cpiral  20:26, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia values civility and neutrality above expertise. Please review I certainly had to!
 * Expert_editors
 * WP:TPG
 * list of cognitive biases
 * Conflict of Interest

 * OK, it wasn't very civil. Sorry about that. But I let you have your way, which is the main thing. Mhkay (talk) 10:10, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Going further, the main thing is objectivity.

All the best now.

Cp i r al Cpiral 04:35, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I feel I need to give some input here:

 * Mhkay - You noted that you were not very civil, and apologized. Thumbs up. However, I would just like to reinforce that discussion is to stay on a talk page not a user page. I you had not had the edit count I saw, I would have reported you immediately. However, seeing that you and Cpiral have settled the dispute (which I find much much much better than reporting you). I completely understand how you felt when you were writing that on his userpage (I've done worse, unfortunately (all in the past)), but the best way to exert your feelings, ideas and whatnot onto a person is through the talk page, mainly because there is that wonderful sign that pops up at the top of the screen to notify of a message. Also remember that 'I let you have your way' was not the main thing. I was much more concerned about the way you acted. I see that most of the above section is about that.

 * I must applaud you for the way you contribute, having such a wide variety of subjects you have contributed to. I'm glad Wikipedia has wonderful editors like you contributing like that. Also if you feel I should not have butted in or anything like that, the reason I did was because Cpiral is my adoptee.

 * Cpiral - You put out your point without being vague in the least bit, and not drawing it out whatsoever. Excellent job! I applaud you for dealing with this better than I would have at your wiki-age. I'm sorry for going ahead of you and confronting before you do (again), I just feel I have to. Anyway I don't think I have much more to say to you.

 * Thanks (both of you) for being amazingly clear and not throwing insults at each other. Good job!

 * -- Marx01  Tell me about it 23:15, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Thanks. It was my honor.  Cp i r al Cpiral  15:54, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Description missed in your appraisal of my site
Dear Mhkay,

I would urge you to look underneath the photograph on this page: http://deadpc.net/html/c64_gs___games_system__.html

You seemed to take issue with the fact that my site only contained 'personal anecdotes'. Well, if you have a look, they're not personal anecdotes. The page has not changed in the interim. Deadpc (talk) 21:25, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

 * What I see under the photograph is this: "I love the design of this Box ... the console is nice too, until you look for features! The Commodore 64 GS ( Games System ) pretty well marked the departure of Commodore from the market - so sad." Well, that seems very much a personal viewpoint, and it's not even attributed! I quite like the personal touch, but it's not what you'd expect to find in a caption labelling an artefact in a real museum." Mhkay (talk) 13:51, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Below the photograph can be found the following: "20,000 examples sold, 1990 ( was not available outside Europe ). This is number 16888" Brief I grant you, but informative I would say. Deadpc (talk) 15:21, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

www.online-xslt-processor.tk is spam?
I put this link on XSLT wiki page because I think is a usefull tool. Why do you say it is span? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.25.55.66 (talk) 15:53, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

 * Because there are millions of little useful tools like this, and the test is not whether it is useful, but whether it is notable. You added the link in order to create awareness of this tool that would not otherwise exist; in other words, it is there for advertising purposes. Also, as far as I can make out, the tool is not an XSLT processor, but a simple piece of Javascript client code for invoking XSLT processors; so it doesn't even fall into the subject matter of the article. Also, you don't say who you are, and I tend to assume that anonymous users have something to hide. Finally, I would question the quality of the tool: the page you referred to misspelt "XSLT", which doesn't suggest that it's been produced to a high professional standard. Mhkay (talk) 07:55, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

My claim to 'greatness'?
I have noticed the following has escaped your attention for quite some time:

"The Museum of Computing in Swindon, UK was the first UK museum dedicated to the history of computing."

This is practically a verbatim copy of my own reference, since deleted ("Ireland's first online computer museum"), and referred to as a "claim to greatness" by your good self.

Could it be that U.K. claims to "greatness" are different to all other claims of "greatness", to the point where they are in fact "great"?!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.129.91.246 (talk) 01:52, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I can't say I'm comfortable with the sentence you refer to, but please don't regard me as in any way responsible for it. I think it's probably technically accurate, in that other and earlier UK collections have been part of museums with a wider scope (i.e., not "dedicated"), but it would be nice if whoever inserted the claim could say something more interesting about the establishment rather than merely claiming a rather dubious first. But I didn't feel on balance that I knew of any grounds for changing the entry. Someone tried to delete it entirely, without giving any explanation, and I reverted that because it looked like pure vandalism. If someone were to change it to give a more objective and less advertorial statement about the institution, I would be the first to welcome it. Mhkay (talk) 20:57, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Removal of implementations list from XML template engine
Hello!

As i can see, you removed implementations list from the XML template engine article (diff) stating that "The implementation section was puff, and duplicated XSLT/XQuery". However, i see no duplication here; there is no implementations listed in the XSLT article. Maybe i missed something?

Please, forgive me my bad English. Penartur (talk) 11:58, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

 * Well, the list was certainly in pretty bad shape - as such lists almost invariably are, since they are an open invitation to add material that's essentially pure product advertising. And the "XML template engine" article itself was in very poor shape - I've argued in the past that it should be deleted, but having failed on that, I thought a good clean-up was in order. And I do think that if we're going to have a list of implementations, they belong with the specific languages (XSLT, XQuery, etc) and not with the very generic article "XML template engine". But what I hadn't spotted was that the section in the XSLT article on "implementations" refers to "XSLT processors" as the "main article" on implementations, and this in fact redirects (someone spuriously) to "XML template engine". So it seems some further tidy-up, and perhaps reinstatement of the list of processors in a new place, might be appropriate. Mhkay (talk) 22:13, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to tell you about my experience: i was looking for some info on .NET or MSXML XSLT processors supporting XSLT 2.0, and the list of major implementations (something like Comparison of platform virtual machines) would be really helpful. Penartur (talk) 21:27, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
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Re: Talk:Michael Kay (software engineer)
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If the Tetons are in the west, what state would we be in here? Was this possibly part of a wide glaciation that might have a name? --Wetman 23:36, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
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It should be the Troy district, right? And an anonymous (and as far as I can see otherwise serious) writer has mentioned Robert the Bruce in a way that make no sense to me, can someone make anything out of it? Gunnar Larsson 23:36, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Can't help you with Robert the Bruce, but I'm pretty sure that the train station is in Cookridge, not Troy. I'm told there used to be two stations in Horsforth, and they closed the one that was actually in Horsforth. Terry 21:23, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

The second station was located in the Newlay area of Horsforth, next to the river and canal, which was formerly a fairly industrial area. That station was closed in the 1960s(?) and lays on the Leeds to Shipley line.

There're 2 facts I heard about Hosforth that I'd like some clarity on please;

.Firstly I heard Horsforth was directly between London and Edinbourgh .Secondly I heard Horsforth was the largest village in Europe. Which also brings about the question as to whether Horsforth is a village or not. It has a town council, but doesn't have a town hall...

There is a monument on Abbey Road, at the entrance to Kirkstall Forge, that marks the halfway point between London and Edinburgh, and states that it is exactly 200 miles from each. However I'm not sure whether it was a viable journey even in the 19th century as what is now the A65 headed north west into the Dales and towards the Lakes, with the route north through Ilkley and Grassington not being attractive at the best of times. If there was a London - Leeds - Edinburgh through train, then it would have passed though Horsforth station, making the station the closest point to half way.

There is no definition of a village in English law, so Horsforth's status comes from not being incorporated into an Urban District Council in the 1930s, and I believe it only received its town status in or after the 1974 Local Government Act. Sfgreenwood 16:46, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Why does this article refer to Horsforth as a town? It is not, never has been and never will be a town. Unbeknownst to most people in this "town", it used to (sort of) be independent of Leeds, but that was changed 35 years ago, why is Wikipedia not up to date? Stuff like this is most confusing to the schoolchildren of Horsforth, in fact, the whole Leeds article seems hell-bent on misrepresenting the city. Utterly useless for us teachers. Can it be brought up to date, please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.22.143 (talk) 18:32, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

 * It is officially a town, as a civil parish was created in 1999 (a civil parish can call itself a town - see Civil parish). Also it is referred to as a town by Leeds City Council. — Snigbrook  13:35, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

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Common name for a section dedicated to rail, road, etc., on other location related pages appears to be Transport and not Communications. I suggest this section is re-titles Transport and will do so unless there are objections listed here by 22 August, 2008. Ian --Ormers (talk) 22:09, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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 * Just done. Ian --Ormers (talk) 22:08, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

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Horsforth was never a town; it was never granted town status. Just because it has a Civil Parish and so can call itself a town, it doesn't mean it is a town. Lots of places are civil parishes but far from being a town. What is a town? Somewhere like Harrogate or Huddersfield represents a town- clearly Horsforth is nothing like these places. It has been fully reliant on the city centre for government/economic drive for 35 years now, and was part of Leeds long before it officially became a suburb of the city. It claimed to be one of the largest villages of the UK until it became part of Leeds in 1974. Some people still consider it a village, but it is officially part of Leeds (and has been for 35 years now). Horsforth has been engulfed by Leeds and is no longer independent in any way, in exactly the same way that Chapel Allerton and Headingley have been engulfed by the expanding city of Leeds in the past. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.254.200 (talk) 22:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

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Shifter (bicycle part)

A bicycle shifter or gear control or gear levers is a component used to control the gearing mechanisms and select the desired gear ratio. Typically, they operate either a derailleur mechanism or an internal hub gear mechanism. In either case, the control is operated by moving a cable that connects the shifter to the gear mechanism.

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Traditionally shifters were mounted on the down tube of the frame or stem. For ergonomic reasons, they tend to be located somewhere on the handlebars on modern bicycles.

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There are various types of shifter:
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I left a couple of comments on the Requests for feedback page. It's always nice to see a band article with good references. But look carefully at WP:BAND. Make sure you have your notability bases covered. Pretty decent band article in my opinion, though. Reread your article and make sure I didn't mess anything up when I amended the references. Tkotc (talk) 09:26, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Jonthegeologist