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Talk:Seymour, Indiana

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I hardly doubt that only 4.85% of the population in 2000 was Hispanic, numbers closer to 20% would be more accurate(unless of course you don't count the illegals). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.61.140 (talk) 16:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Need documentation to prove it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itsjustjody (talk • contribs) 13:03, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Baron Hill.
Baron Hill is a notable resident of Seymour. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.243.136.78 (talk) 17:51, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Fixed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itsjustjody (talk • contribs) 13:02, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Teri Moren
There is no University of Indiana. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.15.113.157 (talk) 18:14, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

 * Fixed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itsjustjody (talk • contribs) 13:02, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

TODO
whitcomb's old goodwill building old elks home post office / federal building
 * 1) houses

2006/7 tornados stam miss indiana/America 1950's miss indiana Lusitania sinking / yale scholarship

 * 1)  1937 Flood
 * 2)  1990s Flood
 * 3)  1974 Tornadoes
 * 4)  1977 Blizzard
 * 5)  1920-30s Klan
 * 6)  tear gas incident at basketball sectional -> Midcentury  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itsjustjody (talk • contribs) 23:12, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 7)  Industrialization (turn of the 20th century) Seymour Shirt Factory
 * 8)  Post War Industrialization
 * 9)  Sister Cities (Japan, Germany) (probably not maintained)

 * 1)  Migration statistical anomalies?

 * 1)  Opioid Epidemic

 * 1)  Class divisions (eg. North Part of Town vs South)
 * 2)  Current housing crisis and inflation?
 * 3)  End of Passenger Rail

 * 1)  Who advocated for the large indoor pool in the High School gym?  It's in the paper somewhere.  probably put it on the SHS wiki page.
 * 2) Religion
 * 3) Lutheranism
 * 4) Catholicism
 * 5) Baptists
 * 6) Presbyterian
 * 7) Pentecostal

 * 1)  city expansions
 * 2) Burkhart Blvd
 * 3) Northern Annexation
 * 4) Apartments
 * 5) New Housing
 * 6) Southern Bypass

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Itsjustjody (talk • contribs) 12:58, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * . You might want to consider moving this list either to a page in your userspace (if it's just essentially for your purposes) or convert it to something that uses the Template:To do for use on this article's talk (if your hoping for feedback from others). At some point this talk page may require archiving, which means that the post might end up archived by mistake. Using the "To do" template will make it easy to move the list up to the talk header and make it more visible for others to see as well. If you want to see how others are using the "To do" template on article talk pages, you can find some examples here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:17, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * ty
 * --Itsjustjody (talk) 04:36, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Thankless task
this is a thankless task. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itsjustjody (talk • contribs) 01:56, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

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Unsourced content and citation style
Assuming most of the information you adding to the article is stuff your finding in reliable sources written about Seymour, you should try to make sure that any claims or statements that going beyond simple statement of facts are supported by a citation because they have a better chance of not being removed by another editor if they don't. The WP:BURDEN falls upon to the person adding content to an article to make sure its supported by a citation that can be verified. Sources cited in articles don't need to be available online (though that makes verification easier) as explained in WP:PUBLISHED, but they do need to be to reliable sources. So, if you cite old newspaper articles, etc. that aren't available online, then that's OK. You don't need to mention when they were downloaded (since that's not really helpful), but just try and provide as much information about the source as possible as explained in WP:CITEHOW and WP:SAYWHERE. If the source can be downloaded, then perhaps adding a link to the site would also be helpful as long as it's an official link for the source and not a WP:COPYLINK. There are also various ways to format citations as explained in WP:CITEVAR and WP:REFB, but you should try to be as consistent as possible when doing so with respect to MOS:DATEUNIFY and WP:CITESTYLE. Whether citations need to be added at the ends of sentences or the ends of paragraphs depends on how long or detailed the paragraph might be. The citations should be as close as possible to whatever their supporting per WP:INTEGRITY and WP:RSCONTEXT, but multiple citations add to the end of short paragraph should be OK. Any interpretations or subjective claims as well as Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch should be properly supported by a citation or left out altogether to avoid being considered WP:OR. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:44, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

 * thanks
 * can you provide an example where I am going beyond a statement of fact. Nearly everything is from the local newspaper through newspapers.com Itsjustjody (talk) 00:55, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * There was a statement ("It's unclear if the two incidents were related.") in paragraph two of Seymour, Indiana that I removed because its seemed more like unsourced interpretation (i.e. original research) than not. Statements such as this can sometimes be added to articles, but they need to be properly attributed and supported by a reliable source so that it's doesn't appear to be something said in Wikipedia's voice. This might seem odd, but content we add to articles is supposed be written in our own words and summarize what we find in reliable sources. The reader doesn't know who is adding the content but assumes it Wikipedia because it's not being attributed to us individually. So, any type of claim or interpretation should be attributed to whatever source is making it as much as possible so that the reader knows where the statement is coming from. Sometimes, it's sufficient to simply proved a citation as a form of attribution, but other times WP:INTEXT attribution is preferable, particularly for quotes, opinions or interpretations. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:38, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * thanks Itsjustjody (talk) 17:19, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Namechecking and not everything
Some other things you might want to keep in mind are WP:Namechecking and WP:NOTEVERYTHING. It probably not really encyclopedically relevant to Wikipedia readers to know who appeared in a John Mellencamp video, unless the persons themselves are Wikipedia notable in their own right and have articles written about them. Even in that case, such content probably belong in the article about the song or video since that's where it's most relevant. Same goes for local historians writing a book, police officers getting killed or notable residents graduated from high school. One of the things about Wikipedia is that lots of it is linked together and it's written in a summary style; so, mentioning these people by name is probably OK here, but not to much detail is needed because it most likely can be found in their respective articles. If there are no other articles about these people or things related to them, then perhaps the content doesn't merit inclusion. Wikipedia isn't really intended to be written like a newspaper article and focus should be kept to really significant events in the Seymour's history that might go beyond a purely local level. It might be hard to compare Seymour to other cities, but you might want to look at some of the examples in WP:FA for reference since WP:FAs are generally considered to the best of the best when it comes to Wikipedia articles. FA articles are perfect and they might have changed quite a bit since they were awarded FA status, but they can be good for general reference and might give you some ideas on future ways to improve this particular article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:24, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

 * thanks again
 * --Itsjustjody (talk) 01:28, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm don't adding content about local diners and similar things is the kind of stuff that should be included in this article. Even if the content can be supported by reliable sources, it's doesn't seem to be really encyclopedically relevant to the general Wikipedia reader per WP:NOTEVERYTHING and actually might be seen as a bit promotional of these businesses per WP:NOTPROMOTION. It might be different if these places were Wikipedia notable in their own right per WP:NCORP and had articles created about them, but otherwise it's a form of WP:Namechecking for local businesses. Wikipedia articles aren't intended to be directories, tourist guides or listings of local business per WP:NOT and you seem to be moving the article in that direction (unintentionally perhaps) in your attempts to expand the article. If you're goal is to make this article a WP:GA or WP:FA, then adding this type of "trivial" content is not going to help you achieve that. The can be sections about the "Economy", "Culture", etc. and other encyclopedically relevant aspects about Seymour, but there shouldn't really be content devoted to individual business or people which moves into WP:LOCAL territory. It's also not necessary for the reader to know where John Mellencamp might have hung out or that his son is on the board of directors of some NPO owned by his family. This article is not an extension of the Seymour Tribune and not everything found in pages of the paper needs to be mentioned here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:21, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

thank you
Marchjuly

thank you for all your recent help improving this document.

--Itsjustjody (talk) 14:34, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * There's no need to thank me and it's unfortunate that you might have felt this to be a "thankless task" at some point. Wikipedia can make you feel that way sometimes based on how it's set up, but most established Wikipedians try to be WP:HERE and make edits they think are improvements in accordance with relevant policies and guidelines, not because they expect to be thanked for doing so. Sometimes when you spend most of your time on a single thing, it can be easily to get frustrated when others might not share your "vision" for how that thing should be. When that happens it can sometimes help to take a step back and work on some other stuff. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:55, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * yeah. sometimes I need to step back when I take some of the deletions personally.  I worked on that list of mayors and I don't see any reason to not include it.
 * Either way, I have lots of other articles about the area to distract me. Oh, and work too. Itsjustjody (talk) 19:34, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Embedding lists in articles can be tricky and there's lots of disagreement on how it should be done or whether it should be done at all. Many editors consider such content to be a type of WP:LISTCRUFT or a way to bloat an article by making the article seem bigger than it is justified in being. Often such lists exist as separate articles in their own right (e.g. Mayor of New York City and List of mayors of Niagara Falls, New York); so, there's no need to repeat the list in other related articles when a link or a WP:HATNOTE works just as well. Some articles might have such lists, but others may not; however, just because a similar section can be found in another article, doesn't mean it should be there as explained in WP:OTHERCONTENT. Many editors believe that lists need to be defined as specifically as possible per WP:LSC and all (or pretty close to all) of the entries should have Wikipedia articles already written about them. There's nothing about "list of mayors" on Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline, but you can start a discussion about the list here on this talk page and then use a Template:Please see to let the members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities know about it. Perhaps they can provide more specific feedback. You can also start a discussion about the list and ask for clarification as to why it was removed by pinging the person who removed it. Generally, it's the person who wants to add or re-add certain content who should seek consensus by starting such a discussion as explained in WP:ONUS, but some editors who remove content will often explain why in detail on the article's talk page after it's removed as courtesy if they feel it's necessary to do so. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:08, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * good stuff. thanks
 * --Itsjustjody (talk) 17:33, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Section Ordering
Reminder - the section ordering should follow the Wikipedia USCITY guideline for layout and content. • Sbmeirow  •  Talk  • 01:41, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

 * nice
 * --Itsjustjody (talk) 15:21, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

WWII Citations
What citations are we missing in WWII?

I don't see any. At one point a included the number of war casualties from Seymour but it looks like it has been removed.

Can we remove this tag now?

Thanks,

--Itsjustjody (talk) 19:37, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Two of the last three paragraphs of the section are completely unsourced and the one is supported by a single citation. The first three paragraphs look OK, but none of the sources are available online; so, none of them can be verified. Not being available online is not always a problem per WP:PUBLISHED as long as the source being cited is reliable and used in proper context, but unsourced states can be removed at anytime per WP:BURDEN. If you're going to cite sources that aren't available online, please try to provide as much information as possible about them as explained here because doing so can help others try and track down the source. So, if you want to cite a newspaper article, try and also provide the name of the writer (if there's a byline) as well as the name of the article because sometimes this can help others find a version of the article that is actually online. Many Wikipedia editors are able to access sites like Newspapers.com or other online archive-type sites, and often a request can be made at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request to verify a source. It's also a good idea to try and place a citation as close as possible to the content it supports per WP:INTEGRITY, but there might be different ways of doing this and it depends on what's being cited. Short paragraphs of simple factual statements are probably OK with all the relevant citations placed at the end of the paragraph, but larger more complex paragraphs probably need the citations placed after the relevant sentences. Anything that might be seen as contentious as well as quoted speech should have the supporting citation as close a possible per WP:INTEXT. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:21, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Mid Century Citation
What citations are we missing in Mid-century?

I don't see any. At one point a included the number of korean war casualties from Seymour but it looks like it has been removed.

Thanks,

--Itsjustjody (talk) 19:36, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The content about servicemen killed in the Korean War still seems to be there, but it's unsourced. It's also not clear whether the sources provided for the high school apply to only the gym or to the first sentence of that paragraph as well about the school being moved. Same for the content about the "Seymour Story" and the sources for the first paragraph of the section. The last two sentences of the section about the Vietnam War are unsourced. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:28, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * seymour story citation added.
 * casualties. I'll find the citation again
 * this is on a vietnam memorial page. I'll find it again.  all deaths in vietnam are documented
 * --Itsjustjody (talk) 23:14, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Late Century Citations
What citations are we missing in 'Late Century'?

I don't see any. At one point a included the number of vietnam war casualties from Seymour but it looks like it has been removed.

Thanks,

--Itsjustjody (talk) 19:38, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The entire first paragraph is unsupported. Please understand that having WP:WIKILINKs in a section is not the same thing as being supported by a citation. Wikilinks are a way of connecting relevant articles together, but Wikipedia articles aren't considered reliable sources for the reasons explained here. The statement about Donal Scott being interim mayor is also unsourced. Same goes for the claims made about Mellencamp's videos and the plight of American farmers as well as about his film. All of those statements/claims are most likely true, but Wikipedia requires they also be verified as explained here. Claims and interpretations, in particular, need to be reliably sourced and properly attributed per WP:INTEXT and WP:SYN because otherwise they end up being written in Wikipedia's voice (i.e. the claim appears to be being made by Wikipedia), which isn't a desirable thing per WP:WIKIVOICE. Whether the meanings of Mellencamp videos are encyclopedically relevant to the reader of this particular article is unclear per WP:NOTEVERYTHING, but unsourced claims and interpretations often end up being quickly removed per WP:NOR. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:40, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * just finished the citation for the first paragraph.
 * The donald scott citation disappeared with the list of mayors. I'll find it again.
 * still reading the new biography. I'm sure its in there somewhere more later
 * Itsjustjody (talk) 21:59, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Why do you keep adding "downloaded on ...." to the citations you're adding. This is irrelevant information and doesn't help in identifying the source at all. It matters not to readers or others trying to verify content when you downloaded the source. Instead of adding that bit of information, it would be more helpful for you to provide more information about the source like the name of the author and the name of the article. Assuming you're finding these sources somewhere online since you're downloading them, then it might be helpful to know exactly where you're downloading them from to further aid in verification. There are ways to cite archive sites like Newspaper.com (see Wikipedia:Newspapers.com) if that's where you're finding these articles, and some editors can access such sites. It might also be a good idea to look for sources other than the local paper. If content can only be supported by citations to the Seymour Tribune, then perhaps it's not something that needs to be mentioned per WP:NOTEVERYTHING. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:43, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * It's generated by newspapers.com when I download the article in pdf format to get the citation. I copy and paste it from there.    I'll look at wikipedia:newspapers.com for reference.    Itsjustjody (talk) 23:19, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * okay. I'll change the citations to the appropriate format for newspapers.com.  This will take a bit but I have all the clippings on my laptop.
 * --Itsjustjody (talk) 23:24, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm a little confused by your I copy and paste it from there statement. Are you copying and pasting content found in these articles directly into this Wikipedia article? If you are, please read WP:C-P because doing such a thing creates problems (sometime big problems). If you're not directly copying and pasting content but are only making minor alterations to it, please look at WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE because this can also be a problem. Copyright violations need to be removed from Wikipedia articles, including their page histories, asap and this can be quite complicated and require administrator assistance when it involves lots of content added over an extended period of time and there have been lots of edits made to the article during that time period. So, if, by chance, you were doing these types of things simply because you weren't aware of relevant Wikipedia policy, then that's OK. You should, however, stop doing so because it just creates more things that need to be cleaned up. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:36, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * No, the slipping has a "citation" included at the top of the article. if I could attached one to this page it would be nice.  It's exactly what I copy into the references tags
 * --Itsjustjody (talk) 23:42, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Check out the top right corner of this clipping. Feel free to delete if it breaks a rule.
 * --Itsjustjody (talk) 23:49, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * You shouldn't really upload clippings from newspaper articles to Wikipedia or Commons unless they are freely licensed because that actually would be a copyvio, and such clippings (even uploaded as non-free content) cannot be used on talk pages per WP:TPG. There a couple of ways to format a citation for a Wikipedia article. You can find out more at H:REFB. If you're citing newspaper articles, then perhaps you can add the name of the writer and the name of the article as well because it might help others track them down. Some of the more recent articles might actually still be available online via the paper's own official website and this could be used instead of newspapers.com. Some papers also have their own archives and these might be able to be used as well. Even if the archive is behind a paywall, it can probably still be used per WP:PAYWALL. There are a number of editors who have access to such sites and they can help verify a source via WP:RX. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:54, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * rgr.
 * re: image. I knew it would be taken down.  I just wanted you to see the article and citation as I see it on my computer.  I'm not plagiarising at all.  just copying and pasting the citation blurb in the corner.  I'll use the wikipedia recommended format for newspapers.com and see if that works for everyone.  I don't get any content from Seymour's local paper.  It's behind a paywall.  It takes a couple months to make it to newspapers.com
 * --Itsjustjody (talk) 00:11, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Any newspaper articles published prior to January 1, 1927, would (almost certainly) be within the public domain; so, content directly copied and pasted from them should be OK as long as it properly attributed and licensed. There are ways to add public domain or freely licensed textual content to articles as explained here. You need to be careful, however, with anything published in 1927 or later since that when things can get tricky. Short quoted text is probably OK per MOS:QUOTE, but large blocks of text made be problematic (even when supported by a citation to the original source). Some content related to Seymour's climate was recently removed by an administrator named because of this reason, and it looks like you were advised about this once before on your user talk page. Dianna just removed the same or similar content again; so, perhaps you missed the message she left on your user talk page or didn't understand it. If this was just an innocent mistake, that's OK and you can try and summarize and re-write it in your own words if you want; you shouldn't, however, re-add the same content again as is.As for the newspaper.com citations, you can format them using Template:Cite news if you like. The template's documentation page explains out to use it, but most of the basic parameters are easy to understand. The original source would be the newspaper in question (not newspapers.com), but you can use the url to newspaper.com for the url parameter and then add newspaper.com with the via parameter. You can also use this template even if the old article isn't available online, but in that case you should try and provide as much information about the original source as possible and leave the url parameter empty. There are other types of citation templates that might work better for other types of sources. You can experiment with these templates in your user sandbox if you want to see how they work and look when properly formatted before adding them to articles. The one Seymour Tribune clip file you posted above did show the writer's name and article title; so, you should try to add these things as well as any other relevant information whenever possible to the existing citations already in the article and include it any new citations you may add from hereon. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:17, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I added a new citation following mention of Donald Scott being mayor for a short time. I used the newspaper template as requested.  I'll change the other newspapers.com / seymour tribune citations to match if the scott citation is correct as time / life allow.
 * --Itsjustjody (talk) 17:36, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking the time to do that. I've cleaned up the syntax a bit. In the case of newspapers, it's probably a bit better to use the citation template cite news instead of the more general citation that you used. There's also noting wrong with writing the template syntax vertically per se, but writing horizontally inline seems to be more common and perhaps less prone to the syntax accidentally being damaged by subsequent edits. When using urls to sites like Newspapers.com, it's probably helpful to use the via parameter to indicate where the url is going to take the reader. Such urls are referred to as convenience links on Wikipedia and they often are helpful; there are, however, some limitations as to how they should and can be used. The url-access parameter can also be helpful to the reader when the source being cited is behind some sort of WP:PAYWALL. You can find more details about some of the parameters I mentioned above at Help:Citation Style 1. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:11, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * will do
 * --Itsjustjody (talk) 14:31, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

I've updated the late century section again. I'll fix the newspaper citations and then ask for the banner to be removed. --Itsjustjody 08:13, 8 August 2022 (EST)
 * the newspaper citation template is not producing the expected result. -- Itsjustjody 08:28, 8 August 2022 (EST)

Pork Tenderloin photo
What does this photo have to do with "Culture"? There's no mention of anything in that particular section or in the entire article about pork tenderloin. Images should be contextually related to article content per WP:IUP to avoid them having the appearance of simply being decorative or randomly added. If there's some connection between Seymour and the dish, then that should be mentioned in the article somewhere and the image should be place near that content. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:33, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

 * Well it was in with a photo of Larrisons that was removed. Larrison's famous dish is the tenderloin.  to include larrisons I have to find citations that are other-than local.  I have those but I have to find them.
 * So, is an allusion to a section that needs to be put back in to make sense.
 * --Itsjustjody (talk) 23:17, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Well the photo should be removed then, unless the dish is somehow more connected to the city than just being something one restaurant is famous for. Many cities have foods associated with them (e.g. Coney Island hot dogs, deep-dish pizza, gumbo) and it's OK to include these dishes in a "Cuisine" or "Food culture" section if there are reliable sources stating that its cuisine is one of the things the city is known for and this cover goes beyond the local level. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:25, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Infobox image
I know that a number of the files you uploaded for use in the infobox were deleted from Commons for licensing issues. Perhaps these issues will eventually be sorted out and they can be restored. If you live in the Seymour area or know someone who does (you don't have to and probably shouldn't post any personal information here), then perhaps there's a way to find some other representative images of the city to use in the infobox. Anyone who lives in the area can simply take some photos of things they feel represent the city and then upload them to Commons as their c:COM:Own work. The current infobox photo is miscaptioned and more of historical photo that probably would work better in the body of the article near relevant content than in the main infobox. Photos can often be found via posts on WikiProject talk pages or Wikipedia:Requested pictures, but knowing someone in the area often is a bit faster. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:22, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

 * thanks
 * --Itsjustjody (talk) 22:34, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Date format used for citations
At some point something probably should be done about the date format being used to ensure that it's consistent throughout the entire article per MOS:DATEUNIFY. The things to consider here are MOS:DATEFORMAT, MOS:DATETIES and MOS:DATEVAR. The date format for the citations was quite a mixed-bag before the recent expansion of the article; so, this issue doesn't really have anything to do edits made by one particular editor. Often this thing happens because different users editing content over the years just are used to formatting everything in a certain way that they don't look to see how it fits in with previously added content. Generally, the American English format of MDY seems to be used in article about US cities and switching to this just involves some cleanup. The all numerical (YYYY-MM-DD) format and British English DMY format would also work. Regardless of which format is chosen, the important thing is to be consistent (at least as much as possible). -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:41, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

 * will do
 * --Itsjustjody (talk) 14:31, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

this page is in the progress of being GA'd
Please don't remove content or make major changes to the content. GA approval is only waiting on citations for the "notable people" section (and I want to complete citations for the mayors). The only other content I believe it's missing is a "climate" section but GA did not ask for this. It's just a 'nice to have'. Unless you can help with these sections, be kind and refrain. ItsjustGatsby (talk) 12:38, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:OWN applies; any editor can step in and make changes even if there is an ongoing content review. The mayors list is not notable (as evidenced by the lack of articles for these mayors) and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument. There's a lot of additional problems with the article that would prevent its promotion to GA (lack of a proper Geography section, prose issues, over-detailing of unimportant elements, bullet-point lists that should be prose).  Sounder Bruce  17:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Aerial Image
I like the aerial image that has recently been added. Good job. ItsjustGatsby (talk) 18:40, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Shelbyville, Indiana

The Marjorie Main Issue
This should be deleted from the trivia portion. Shelbyville and Acton are very far apart. The statement implies that Marjorie Main was born near Shelbyville. She was actually born near Shelby County in which Shelbyville is the county seat. I don't think it is encyclopedic to state that a celebrity was born in a neighboring county which happens to share a border with another county.(Harmon1630)

Winter Soldier
Why was Bucky Barnes taken down? He was Captain America's side-kick and eventually he became Captain America for a time. in the comic books it states that he is born in Shelbyville, Indiana. And given that the film just came out, I was excited to show people something interesting about our small town. But for some reason, it was removed? I'd re-add it, if I understood how. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C5DD:2950:49A0:D441:3CDD:C442 (talk) 20:53, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Say It Isn't So
Why isn't the film "Say It Isn't So" mentioned here? It takes place in a fictionalized version of Shelbyville, Indiana. It's not the most flattering version, but it's still noteworthy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Say_It_Isn%27t_So_(film) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.123.236.95 (talk) 23:19, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caspian James Crichton-Stuart IV

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Speedy delete per WP:CSD clause A7. Fernando Rizo T/C 17:40, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Caspian James Crichton-Stuart IV
Vanity > Article fails to assert notability. - Mailer Diablo 16:30, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as nn-bio. Tagged. --GraemeL (talk) 16:44, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Talk:South Bend, Indiana

Montage Needed
Evansville, South Bend, and Fort Wayne both now need montages now that Indianapolis has one. 19:26, 30 July 2013 (CDT)

Perspectives on South Bend
Public bus fares are .75 including a transfer. Sadly, Scottsdale Mall was torn down, but a nice new shopping complex has replaced it. The [Morris Preforming Arts Center http://morriscenter.org] is located downtown. Recently the city rebuilt the police station and jail. The four public high schools are Riley, Clay, Adams, and Washington. The two hospitals are St. Joseph and Memorial. Theaters are Showplace 16. Newspapers are [South Bend Tribune http://www.sbtinfo.com] and a pennysaver type free newspaper called [Michiana Shopper Newspaper http://www.michianashopper.com]. Radio stations are too numerous to mention but there are 5 TV stations, [WNDU CH16 http://www.wndu.com], [WSBT CH22 http://www.wsbt.com], [WSJV CH28  http://www.fox28.com], [WNIT CH34  http://www.wnit.org] and two smaller low powered TV stations WBND and WUPN.

Restaurant row is located on the northeast side of the city, with may fine restaurents located downtown as well as the west side of the city.

[unsigned]

 * Thanks for erasing my comment. Here's a list of the fine restaurants on Ireland Road:

 * Applebee's, 1150 E Ireland Rd
 * Burger King, 2027 E Ireland Rd
 * China Garden, 910 E. Ireland Rd
 * TGI Friday's, 2042 E. Ireland Rd.
 * Long John Silver's, 920 E Ireland Rd.
 * Pizza Hut, 209 E Ireland Rd.
 * Steak N Shake, 1315 E Ireland Rd.
 * Taco Bell, 231 E. Ireland Rd.

 * Feel free to cut and paste my list when you email the Michelin Star reviewers. Jkonrath 16:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

 * You may or may not know this, but Wikipedia is NOT an advertising site. We don't list addresses for individual venues unless they are one of a kind (and maybe not even then). Though I would like more people to come live in my city, this is written like an advertisement, which is not a part of any encyclopedia.

 * And WSJV and WNIT are in Elkhart, not SB. CatMan 21:15, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

WNIT and WSJV studios are in Elkhart, but their transmitters are in South Bend so they are considered South Bend stations for that reason. Also, WNIT will in 2009 be relocating its studios into the former WSBT facility in downtown south bend. 69.213.180.166 (talk) 19:49, 2 July 2008 (UTC)zeke55.

 * So, we have definitely established that there are restaurants in South Bend. I was beginning to wonder... And for the love of god, don't forget the new Chick-fil-A at 4555 S. Michigan Street (just off Ireland road). I hear a Texas Roadhouse is going up as well. And as far as I know, this is a talk page, and the person listing the restaurant addresses was attempting to make a point regarding many restaurants on Ireland Road. cntrlaltdel33t 15:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

 * I would think, if we do choose to put in anything about SB restaraunts, it should only touch on them lightly, not list all of them, put in some from streets other than East Ireland Road, and not give the exact addresses. That's just my opinion though, so it's not like it matters or anything. CatMan 22:31, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Music legacy
Someone requested earlier that South Bend's contributions to music be discussed. The comment was unduly erased. I am reinserting the request. — Lumbercutter 02:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Under "Arts and Culture" -> "Culture", the following text has been inserted at the end of the paragraph:

In 2014, the main act was Faith +1, whose hit singles include "I wasn't born again (yesterday)", "Jesus Touched Me", and from their inaugural self-titled LP, "Pleasing Jesus".

This sounds suspiciously like parody content inspired by South Park Season 7 Episode 9 "Christian Rock Hard". Unless an actual band (who plays the listed songs, no less) exists, I recommend it be removed. User:TimothyOnline 16:08, 23 Dec 2014 (UTC)

GA Review
The article is rapidly acquiring information, and could make a decent encyclopedia article at some point, but it does not meet the Good Article criteria yet, and will not be listed at this time. The biggest issues with the article are with criterion 1 (prose), criterion 2 (verifiability and citations), and criterion 3 (completeness). I don't see any significant issues with criterions 4 (neutrality), 5 (stability), or 6 (images). Some more specific issues follow:

 * The lead section is far too short. It should be a good summary of the article's content. It might help editors to review WP:LEAD for tips in this area.
 * The geography section seems kind of fragmented and disordered. It focuses more on driving distance to Chicago and its relation to other states, instead of the actual geography of its own region. There's also lots of little spelling/grammar errors: "The cities coordinates" should be "The city's coordinates", and "moderating the temperature in summer." doesn't seem to make much sense.
 * The history section starts off somewhat interesting, but isn't anywhere near complete. It kind of leaves us off in the mid 1950s and ignores the latter half of the 20th century, and the 21st century. The companies that have "developed in the area" really don't explain how this is significant to the city itself.
 * Most of the history section is pretty much unsourced. One specific issue is the lack of citation regarding the, "first service of electrified streetcars anywhere in the world", which seems to be in disagreement with Frank Sprague's electric streetcars in Richmond, Virginia in 1888 (see the Richmond article for the source on this one).
 * Demographics should be moved into its own main section (separate from culture), following guidelines for US city articles. You might also want to check that guideline as well for tips on how to order sections in the article, and what sections are missing from the article. Most notably, there's no government information in the article. This should be added. I would also recommend putting 'sports' into its own main section, instead of a subsection under 'culture'.
 * The culture section also seems to be listing several 'other points of interest', breaking away from prose. Lists are generally a B-class attribute. The list also contains several external links; only internal wikilinks should appear in article text, and all external links belong in the 'external links' section at the end of the article. Try to keep weasel words and flowery language to a minimum.
 * Some of the things in the culture section seem to be written more for a tourist guide than an encyclopedia article;
 * Education: again, what's with the list? Some of these, like Notre Dame, Indiana aren't colleges, but towns or 'unincorporated cities'. Better to talk about the relationships of the colleges and how the relate to the city of South Bend, rather than just listing them.
 * The list of famous residents is getting a bit long. It might be advisable to move this to a separate page. These lists also tend to attract vandals and other miscreants, like Skip Wright (Whiffle ball hall of famer? Gimme a break!).
 * Move 'external links' to the end of the article, per WP:MOS.

This is an incomplete list obviously, but should hopefully be useful in getting editors started towards improving this article towards GA status. It might help to take a look at some other towns and cities that are current Good Articles, such as Flagstaff, Arizona or Richmond, Virginia, for a good model of what a GA-class city article should look like. The templates and guidelines at WP:CITIES should also be helpful as well. Cheers! Dr. Cash 02:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Take 2
This article has improved a lot since the last time, and I think is very close to WP:GA at this point. I fixed a couple of minor grammatical and style issues, but there's still a couple of things to work on:

 * The history section still needs a little more work. It tells a pretty good story of the town, but still leaves the reader hanging at the end, stopping in the 60s, the jumping to 2000, and the only bit from the 80s & 90s is about the new baseball team. Certainly, there's got to be more going on in this town, or are all those rumors about watching the corn grow in Indiana true?

 * The geography section is good, although the climate is pretty short. I think more can be said about the climate than two sentences. What about more of a description of the seasonal changes in weather, instead of just throwing the numbers into a table on average temps & rainfall? I wonder if you can find the actual historical dates for the absolute high & low record temperates (I've seen this in some city articles)?

 * 'Cityscape' should be added as a subsection within geography. Include some description on the various neighborhoods and parts of the city. Talk about how they are connected and interrelated.

 * "Ancestries: Germans (17.4%), Polish (10.6%), Irish (10.5%), English (5.8%), United States (3.9%), Hungarian (3.3%) (from City-Data.com)." -- This isn't really a sentence; it's just tabular data presented in prose form, but not really prose. Can anything else be said about these ethnic groups? How did they come to settle in South Bend? Also, the city-data.com site doesn't exactly look like it meets WP:RS; it looks more like a spam linkfarm site. I would recommend trying to find a better source at the US census bureau website.

 * While it technically doesn't violate the WP:MOS, I think it would be better to eliminate the subsection headers in the education and media sections. The information contained in each subsection should be tied together within the main topic better with actual prose. The subsection headers make everything look more 'listy', and separate.

 * The information in the 'sister cities' section needs a citation. I'm not sure where this information came from, but the Indiana listing on the sister cities international website does not list any sister cities for South Bend.

 * See if you can try and make the information in the article flow a bit better together. A lot of the content seems rather isolated, and somewhat bland and boring (just basic information, and nothing fancy). Try to make it sound a bit more interesting to capture the readers attention, without going overly flowery.

I think once these issues are fixed, the article will meet the Good article criteria. I'll put it on hold at WP:GAN until February 5, 2008, so these issues can be addressed. Cheers! Dr. Cash (talk) 04:33, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately I did not have the time to make all the improvements... Of course, I will continue to work on it. Perhaps the third time will be a charm? cntrlaltdel33t (talk) 23:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Also found some dead links. MahangaTalk 03:44, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Reviewing this again, I think the article meets the minimum criteria for GA; granted, it's still a long ways from FA status, but I think it's at least a GA. There's still a couple of short sections that could be expanded (history, geography). You might also want to combine the 'sports' section with 'parks and recreation' into a single 'sports and recreation' section, since there's not too much in either, and both are somewhat related. Overall, the article has a good standard of writing and is informative. Good work! Dr. Cash (talk) 18:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello?
I was wondering if any else is watching this page, or interested in updating the history sections with well cited sources. Any takers? cntrlaltdel33t 21:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Someone added a whole lot of content to the history section, unfortunately it was blatantly copied from the Northern Indiana Center for History website http://www.centerforhistory.org. I have removed the content. cntrlaltdel33t (talk) 20:36, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Ping...? Anyone watching this page besides me? cntrlaltdel33t (talk) 14:53, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Population
How can it's metropolitan area had a population of 316,663, if St. Joseph County 2005 population estimate is 266,160?--Rayc (talk) 23:55, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

 * The metro area extends outside St. Joe county. Tool2Die4 (talk) 23:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

How can the metro population be 316,663 when the MSA also includes Elkhart County, which has a population of 200,000, and parts of Michigan as well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.57.24.188 (talk) 03:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

 * The MSA for South Bend is only St. Joseph County (IN) and Cass County (MI), not Elkhart County. BandH2020 (talk) 23:42, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Studebaker
Someone has added several pictures of Studebaker vehicles to the museums section of the article. These seem to clutter up the article, a lot, and might better fit in a Studebaker article. I am planning to restore the article to its previous state if no one objects. cntrlaltdel33t (talk) 22:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

SouthBendForum
Barek deleted the link to www.southbendforum.com without citing a reason. The forum is the only non-.gov, non-media owned source of information available to South Bend residents. It is not a commercial site and it is a great source for people wanting to know about South Bend because they can discuss the city with its residents. If there's a link for DTSB, there should be one for the forum.--12.70.122.132 (talk) 14:41, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I did give a reason in the edit summary, it read "rv linkspam per WP:ELNO #10 and WP:NOT#REPOSITORY"
 * WP:ELNO #10 states "Links normally to be avoided ... Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace), chat or discussion forums/groups (such as Yahoo! Groups), USENET newsgroups or e-mail lists." (emphasis added by me)
 * Also, WP:USCITY states that in external link section of city articles, the official websites should be provided, such as the official city government, the chamber of commerce, and the convention & visitors bureau.
 * Lastly, per WP:NOT, Wikipedia is not a repository of links. As an alternative, WP:EL suggests the use of Open Directory Project (aka DMOZ) which is better suited to hold link directories, and to which this article already contains a link to the South Bend, Indiana page within DMOZ. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 16:00, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Tippecanoe Place
I think that Tippecanoe Place should be mentioned in the article somewhere due to its notability as a landmark both with its relation to the Studebakers as well as now housing one of the classier restaurants in the region. However, I'm reluctant to add it to the article because I don't want to imply that I'm promoting the restaurant. I suppose that it could go under "See also" but it would seem out of place there. Mapsax (talk) 23:15, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd say throw it under "Arts and culture". If Tippecanoe Place has its own article, then its notable enough to add into the South Bend article.  I like their Sunday brunch, but I don't think you can call it a "classy restaurant" in the article. Crotchety Old Man (talk) 23:30, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Census 2010
The 2010 count is in...

http://tribstar.com/news/x62526035/Census-data-show-Vigo-population-growth

101,168.

Ryoung 122 11:49, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Additional Sister City
South Bend added a new sister city, Guanajuato, Mexico. Not listed on the official page just yet, but can be found from WNDU news report: http://www.wndu.com/localnews/headlines/Today_Mayor_Steve_Luecke_welcomed_delegates_from_South_Bends_new_sister_city_Guanajuato_Mexico_128346883.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.229.85.182 (talk) 02:50, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Name of the airport
An IP renamed the instances of "South Bend Regional Airport" to instead be "South Bend Airport". This was reverted back due to the image clearly showing "Regional" in the name.

However, from what I can see, both names are wrong. In April 2014, the airport announced that it was officially changing its name to "South Bend International" (or "South Bend International Airport" accroding to one newspaper).]

There appears to be a discussion already started at Talk:South Bend Airport to get consensus on renaming the article. Whichever is determined, I believe the mention in this article should also be updated. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 21:52, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

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Seems kinda shady to me for a organization to encourage others to edit its page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zlassiter (talk • contribs) 07:25, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

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First trolley system?
"South Bend was the first community in the United States to have an electrified trolley system (even though it was a few years before it was usable and profitable)."

There is no date or reference for this claim. However, this refutes that claim: "August 30, 1888 The Lafayette IN street railway begins operations, the first successful electric operation in Indiana." from David Chambers, "Lafayette Street Railway Company" 1958.

According to other reports, the first electric trolley was in Scranton, PA, and the second in Lafayette, IN.

I suggest removing the claim.

Dan Bollinger (talk) 15:06, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 31 March 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Closed early per WP:SNOW. -- Calidum 13:56, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

South Bend, Indiana → South Bend – Similarly to cities such as Paris, Manchester, Boston, Chicago, the South Bend in Indiana is by far the most prominent location by this name. The term "South Bend" already redirects to "South Bend, Indiana", so (unless we change the redirect to the disambiguation page) it would only make sense to just locate the article under this name. SecretName101 (talk) 20:23, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose Aside from a handful of major cities, US cities are always Placename, State. See WP:USPLACE. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 22:27, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This U.S. placename falls under the WP:USPLACE guideline, and does not qualify under the so-called AP Stylebook exception rule like Boston and Chicago. See also Perennial proposals for the rationale for WP:USPLACE. Zzyzx11 (talk) 23:37, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
 * This needs to be proposed at USPLACE. You can totally propose it there. Perhaps it hasn't succeeded yet, but one day we shall triumph! Red   Slash  00:07, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:USPLACE. There's an established format here, and there's an incredibly small (styleguide-approved) established handful of major U.S. cities that are exceptions to this. Paintspot Infez (talk) 02:40, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:USPLACE. There's an established naming convention that would need to be changed before breaking the widely-used convention. Hog Farm Talk 04:17, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Arrows
Are arrows appropriate to utilize on the population and GDP data in the infobox? Many major cities and countries already use these and they seem to be helpful in determining the recent change in said figures. BandH2020 (talk) 02:23, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

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Removed South Bend population increase in Opening on Feb. 23, 2023
Quite simply, the statement that had been in the opening that South Bend increased its population in the 2010's for the first time in 50 years is FALSE. Firstly, if you check the source attributed to it (which I did), that is NOT what was said in the article. Secondly, if you look at the population box further down in this entry, we can see that the population INCREASED in South Bend in the decade of 1990-2000, again in direct disagreement with this statement. Very, very sloppy work and attribution. I'm sure there are people more interested in this South Bend article than I am. Asc85 (talk) 02:38, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

KKK 1924 fight with Notre Dame
I was looking for more sources to read more of a description about what happened, and I came across a newspaper from June 1924 from a KKK publication. It's definitely an interesting read, with them claiming that the students were beating up women and even hit a baby, "There were several instances where women and in one case a child three years old were innocent victims of the day's outrage? A blow was aimed and fell upon a baby girl"(page 5). They even claimed in one section that the kkk came back to the school the following day with guns and that black people organised themselves to fight back against the KKK with the Notre Dame students and drive them back, "While the battle was on between the Ku Kluxers and Notre Dame students a great number of Negroes organised themselves into unit and gave battle to the hooded ranks driving the Kluxers to shelter (page 4)".

Is this source still worth including, considering how much of it is likely made up? Here's the source if people want to read: "http://bl-libg-doghill.ads.iu.edu/gpd-web/fierycross/1924/1924613.pdf" H.Fornasier (talk) 09:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

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POV
Nearly the entire article is written in POV. This must be changed to adhere to wikipedia standards. chris4682

 * POV comment: The following disturbs me:

Southport's averages compared to Indiana's state averages vary from above to below. The median household income of Southport is above the state average. The unemployed percentage is significantly below the state average and the black race population percentage significantly below the state average. Median age above state average. Renting percentage below state average.

Is there a reason that the the words above and below are bolded when mentioning household income, unemployed percentage, and black population relative to the state average. Maybe I'm jumping to conlusions, but this seems to be agenda driven.NonSequitar 00:58, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Community section is rubbish. Needs complete overall. Sounds like an advertisement and adds nothing to the article. Merely a list of facts in paragraph form. chris4682 14 December 2009

Misc.
I wonder if anybody really looks at this page who has a comment or interest in the city of Southport, Indiana?

Rob@Paradox.cc

I don't know, but apparently you do not know how to use your Wikipedia signature. If you don't have one perhaps you should create an account. If you want to be constructive, start helping to make this page look like other town and city pages. Useless questions on this discussion board are not going to get us anywhere. chris4682 14 December 2009

Requested Photo?
I see a photo request template on here which has been on here since 2007, but there seems to not be any talk page discussion of what, exactly, one would like a photo of. I'm frequently in the area and could snap a few photos, but it would really help if someone could be more specific.~  ONUnicorn (Talk|Contribs) problem solving 20:24, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

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History
If anyone could- please add more history to this page. sulivan kool — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.134.142.188 (talk) 16:19, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

RE: History
I can't even begin to point out all the things wrong with the history section. Not only biased and full of independent research, which is unsourced, it even includes events that have nothing to do with Sullivan. Who cares if Red Skelton was born in KNOX county. I'm deleting the whole section (98.223.158.102 (talk) 03:36, 29 May 2009 (UTC))

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For Tell City, Indiana, the Marksmen Band placed 5th in the BOA Grand Nationals Marching Competition. I believe this was a great accomplishment from a hard working group of young people.

Immigrants
Were they "Swiss-German immigrants" as the article says? Or German-Swiss? I was curious, as Wilhelm Tell is the latter. 2601:806:4301:C100:C8CF:70D2:9562:43D7 (talk) 01:37, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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Grammar Issues

 * Wikipedia is a work in progress and anyone can edit. Please feel free to make any grammar corrections you feel are needed. —Charles Edward (Talk 16:29, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

 * This is the type of arrant pedantry up with which I shall not put. --Anonymous, 23:10, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Jakob Thornberry
Who is Jakob Thornberry? I have never heard of him and, even if he belongs on the list of distinguished residents or former residents, he would belong in a different category.

Distinguish resident of party patrol USA. One cool motherfucker

Location of Saint Mary's
I changed the wording regarding Saint Mary-of-the-Woods College to read that it is "northwest of" rather than "in" West Terre Haute. Saint Mary-of-the-Woods is a separate village with its own post office and zip code.--MarshallStack 02:07, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Time Zone
Can someone confirm the time zone information? I don't live there anymore but I thought Terre Haute was in the area of Indiana that does not do DST.

And, who the hell is Kelly Bird? She/He is not the author of any book sold by amazon.com. Qwertius 04:28, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

 * All of Indiana is now on DST - Terre Haute is now permanently in the eastern time zone. --Jdcole1978 23:25, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

St. Mary's
St. Mary-of-the-Woods is an all-women's school, not mostly women. I've changed it, but if someone can prove otherwise, then feel free to correct me. --Jdcole1978 23:22, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

 * They have changed the Women's External Degree program to a Weekend External Degree program that admits men. On-campus undergrads. remain all female, but grad, students and off-campus tsudents need not be. I still think of it as a women's college. JJL 05:02, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I changed it to "primarily women's college", as calling it a strictly women's college would not be accurate. Orpheus42 06:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

McVeigh edit and restoration
Last night I changed McVeigh's execution date from June 11, 2001 to September 10, 2001. I have a very clear and distinct memory of watching a candle-lit vigil outside the Terre Haute penitentiary on CNN. The moment was memorable to me both because of his responsibility for the Oklahoma bombings and because his execution was carried out in my "home town". When New York and Washington D.C. were attacked the next day, I was struck by the coincidence of the two events and this burned the memory in my mind even more firmly.

I logged on to add a note to the discussion page but thought I'd double-check the date first. Imagine my confused surprise when google presented several links that confirm the June 11th date. I'm very puzzled but I have restored my edit to the original. MPinkstaff 15:55, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

It was definitely not September 10. I was at the Bloomington Unitarian Church service the Sunday after McVeigh's execution and Rev. Bill Breeden, who organized the vigil outside on the night of the execution gave the sermon and it was one of the most moving things I have ever heard in my life so I remember it in great detail and he certainly never mentioned 9/11 which, knowing Bill, he definitely would.

Candles Museum Fund Drives
Can someone put in that the surrounding area also gave substantial contrubutions to the rebulding of the museum? I am from Sullivan County, and our Elementary School gave a significant contrubution.

Cleanup
I think the "Other facts" portion needs major changes.

I think that CANDLES and Terre Haute Action Track articles should be broken out/written. The track is well-known nationally to dirt track fans. The track was frequently featured on Thursday Night Thunder telecasts in ESPN in the 1990s.

I would delete all of the rest except Reader's Digest (which should be cited), Columbia House, Prison, and movie. The rest doesn't appear to be encyclopedic to me. Cheers! RoyalbroilTalk  Contrib 04:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Demographics. ..
Demographics? There aren't any. Fix that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.195.68 (talk) 21:06, 20 November 2006
 * Yes sir, I'll get right on that, sir.
 * Actually it's weird that no one has caught this until now. It was deleted back in March -- Tim D 03:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Notable Residents
While I don't really feel comfortable with making a new article, I'm sure somebody does. The entire list of notable residents should definitely be moved to a new page, "List of Notable People from Terre Haute, Indiana" or something like that. The vertical size of the article is a bit unwieldy.

And is the Mr. Wolfe referenced in the list a living or dead artist? I know that there is a painter by that name in West Terre Haute, but I'm not sure he does much sculpting. Archaeo 16:26, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Mr. Wolfe was/is a painter; however, he has earned a considerable reputation as a sculptor in the past decade, starting with the Abrell/Korean War monument on the Vigo County Courthouse lawn, the Max Carey monument near the entrance to Memorial Stadium, the V-12 monument on the campus of Indiana State University, the Carmel-Clay monument in Carmel, Ind., the Orville Wright statue at Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton, Ohio; and the World War II monument in Webster, Mass. I believe it is fair to say that Wolfe is now primarily devoted to sculpturing. Photos of two of Wolfe's sculptures are depicted in McCormick's book, Terre Haute: Queen City of the Wabash (2005).

Mayor
Who put the mayor as Kevin W. Burke? I will change it in a sec once I figure out how to reference it.

Baldeahle 20:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation
The article presently indicates that Terre Haute is pronounced with primary stress on the first syllable of Terre. I have never heard it pronounced other than with primary stress on Haute. Is that just because everyone outside Terre Haute pronounces the name wrong, or is there an error here? Tom e rtalk 02:27, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * To clarify, the article currently says the name is pronounced [ˈtɛ.ɹə hoʊt], I've only ever heard it pronounced [ˌtɛ·ɹə ˈhoʊt]. Cheers, Tom e rtalk 02:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ditto. I'm changing it to [ˌtɛ·ɹə ˈhoʊt]. Orpheus42 06:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Although I have always pronounced it with the accent on "Haute" (which your alteration accomplishes), I think a significant minority of residents would pronounce it with the accent on "Terre." McTavidge 22:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

 * That's possible... I've never heard it though. I'll ask my fiancee, since she lives there (and has since birth). I'm in Evansville. At any rate, I suppose it's not exactly a huge deal. Orpheus42 08:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I live in Terre Haute, and I accent the Terre. Those that accent "Haute", also tend to pronounce it "Terruh Hote", when it should be "Tear (as in 'rip') Hote", with the Terre. But both are used, and perhaps both pronouciations should be listed. This is similar in my mind to the pronounciation issues with Vigo County. (some pronounce it VIE-go, rather than VEE-go) --RadicalX2k 17:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Meth capital of the world?
Seriously, most of the small- to medium-sized towns and cities in Indiana could lay claim to that title. What's it doing in this entry? It certainly doesn't seem to me to be NPOV language. Orpheus42 07:17, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I live here, and I don't hear this comment (beyond just every day joking about meth arrests, which occur all over the Midwest). Granted, that is anecdotal, but so is this comment, and it needs to be deleted unless someone can materialize a source for it. Jdcole1978 19:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Picture
While it's been a few years since I lived in TH, I wonder why this image is "Down Town" Terre Haute. While the buildings shown are in or near down town, a photo showing Wabash or even Ohio ave would be more indicative of what Down Town TH looks like....

While not a very flattering picture of Downtown Terre Haute, this picture is framed on the left by Wabash Ave, and on the right by Ohio Blvd, the two streets you mentioned. Perhaps a better picture will be found soon. --RadicalX2k 17:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Airport
Since Hulman Field has no airline service, somebody should add what airport Terre Hautians (or whatever) fly out of typically. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.105.214 (talk) 23:15, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Urban Legends?
The section about urban legends of Terre Haute needs some work, the second legend in particular; it needs to be NPOV, and it needs sources. Maybe whoever the original "this writer" was, he or she could fix it up a bit? Or, if no one has any good reasons for fixing it, I'd delete the section entirely. Minimally, the urban legends could be mentioned as one-sentence blurbs under the "In the Media" section (which could easily be changed to "In popular culture"). Emika22 (talk) 17:52, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

"The Armpit of Indiana" as a nickname
A nickname is sometimes considered desirable, symbolising a form of acceptance, but can often be a form of ridicule.

What as stated above an excerpt from the nickname wikipedia article an nickname does always have to be desirable. Thusly one may logically come to the conclusion that it is not always chosen by the person whom it is used for.

Another note is that it is not just a "joke by a comedian" but is much of the time Terre Haute is referred to as "The Armpit of America" and this is not just a coincidence.

If this is not a nickname I am not sure what is because it seems to have "stuck" like most nicknames it was a comment that became well know and is used in reference to that person or place. If anyone can come up with a valid reason why this is not truly a nickname i would appreciate to see what others have to say, that it could be taken in a bad way is irrelevant to the word nickname as quoted above if there are problems with this issue then take that up with the people who wrote the article on nicknames. Thank you for your time and just comments are very welcome —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.223.66.179 (talk • contribs) 13:38, April 28, 2010
 * Your citation simply proves that Steve Martin made the comment in a joke. You have provided NO support for your statement that "much of the time Terra Haute is referred to as 'The Armpit of America'". In fact, I searched the term "Armpit of America" using Google and of the 197,000 hits, I couldn't even find Terre Haute discussed anywhere near the top of the search results. Unless you can do more than make unsubstantiated claims, the fact that a few people you personally know may refer to the city that way does not make it a nickname for encyclopedia purposes. -- DS1953 talk 18:23, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

• Terre Haute is notorious in and around the Midwest for its distinct bad odor which is the result of local industry (specifically a paper plant and a poorly located sewage treatment facility). http://blog801.wordpress.com/2006/05/21/is-terre-haute-the-place-to-go/ This is not just a "joke" but a Fact, put your sewage facility somewhere else and this nickname never would have come around. As this article states terre haute is known around the midwest for its bad odor showing that it is not just "me and a few people i personally know" who have claimed this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.223.66.179 (talk • contribs)
 * Just because Terre Haute has a bad odor like me does not mean that you are entitled to turn a comedian's joke into a nickname. This is an encyclopedia. It is supposed to contains verifiable facts. Please read the Wikipedia policy on verifiability. I have pointed out that there is no verifiable factual support for claiming that "The Armpit of America" is an established nickname. You simply added a citation to a blog post that only states that Steve Martin called it by that name. I assume that you can read and understand the policy. Right now, I believe that your actions are misguided but are in good faith. However, if you continue to insist on adding unverified, and I believe clearly erroneous, information in clear violation of Wikipedia policy, then I will have to consider the likelihood that your insistence is not in good faith. -- DS1953 talk 23:38, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

In the Media
The section badly needs cleanup. Most of the first half is grammatically insane (especially the A Christmas Story line), and there's a repeated bit near the bottom (Boy Gets Girl). --Anonymous, 23:16, 10 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.45.211 (talk)

In the media
Since it's been problematic for years and is mainly unsourced, I am removing the trivia section and placing it in its entirety here, per WP:TRIVIA. If anyone feels like sourcing these facts and placing them in relevant context within the article, not as just a list, feel free. Sweet kate (talk) 17:14, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Frank Sinatra movie Some Came Running refers to Terre Haute several times. After Frank Sinatra (Dave Hirsh) and Shirley MacLaine's (Ginnie Moorehead) characters are engaged Ginnie asks "Dave, can we please go to Terre Haute for our honeymoon?"

The novel "Being and Nothingness: An Historical Mystery," by Luke Hauser, takes place in Terre Haute. The city is described as the "epicenter of Western Philosophy," and features a "Latin Quarter" and waterfront gambling casinos.

The Jack Kerouac novel "On the Road" mentions Terre Haute as one of the travel destinations of the protagonist, Sal Paradise.

One of Terre Haute's best known authors, Theodore Dreiser, mentioned Terre Haute in his groundbreaking novel, "Sister Carrie."

Terre Haute was the target of the dastardly plot by Nazi stooges in the 1982 spoof noir movie Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid. Terre Haute's "role" in the movie was the contribution of actor/comedian Steve Martin, the star and co-writer of Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid. Steve Martin had visited Terre Haute and performed his stand-up routine in the city a few years prior to making the movie.

Terre Haute was the original home of Cissy, Jody, and Buffy Davis in the CBS sitcom Family Affair. The characters mispronounced the city's name "Terra Hut." However, the mispronunciation may have been intentional, continuing a long-running "in joke" amongst Terre Hauteans. Due to the town's red light district and less-than-savory areas, from at least the mid-19th century, the name was used in a play on the words "hot" and "hut," Terry Hot, Terry Hut, and Terrible Hut.

In the closing minutes of the Pilot episode of Mr. Belvedere, when the family decides they do not need his services, the youngest child Wesley asks what he will do now. Mr. Belvedere replies "I've always wanted to see Terre Haute, don't ask me why."

Terre Haute was mentioned in the Peter Yates film Breaking Away when the characters were deciding what to do and one asked if they "wanted to go to Terre Haute."

Terre Haute was mentioned in two episodes of Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip when the local "NBS" refused to show the skit "Crazy Christians". This was in direct reference to Terre Haute's local NBC affiliate, WTWO, refusing to show "The Book of Daniel".

Terre Haute is mentioned several times in the classic favorite Christmas movie A Christmas Story, 1983; two of them are when the line at the shopping mall to see Santa "stretched all the way to Terre Haute," and when 'The Old Man' Darren McGavin is awaiting 'The Major Award' and says, "it could be an entire bowling alley; last week, some guy in Terre Hut won an entire bowling alley!" A Christmas Story takes place in Hammond, Lake County, Indiana, where the author, Jean Shepherd, of the books on which the movie are based was from. Terre Haute is approximately 150 mi due south of Hammond, and US 41 connects the two cities.

In Stephen King's post-apocalyptic horror novel The Stand, Donald Merwin Elbert (aka The Trashcan Man), after committing several arsons due to his pyromania, was sent to a mental institution in Terre Haute before being incarcerated in a separate institution for teenage delinquents. (Father Gibault School for Boys, just south of Terre Haute on US 41, was briefly the home of Charles Manson.) In King's The Dark Tower IV: Wizard and Glass, the main protagonists stumble into a parallel-universe version of the post-apocalypse world of The Stand in which all of Terre Haute was burned down.

In Stephen King's (writing as Richard Bachman) novel, The Regulators, Terre Haute is mentioned as one the places to escape to by the character Audrey Wyler.

Terre Haute's history is the subject of a weekly public radio program based in Bloomington, Indiana, called Hometown with Tom Roznowski, which describes various aspects of Terre Haute in the summer of 1926. Terre Haute: Queen City of the Wabash, by Vigo County Historian Mike McCormick, is a concise history of the city published in November 2005 by Arcadia Publishing Company.

During the Quantum Leap episode, The Leap Home: Part 1 - November 25, 1969 (1990); the father of lead character Dr. Samuel Beckett (Scott Bakula) remarks that while "Sam will likely end up at Harvard, I know he's still hoping for a basketball scholarship from Indiana State."

On Sabrina, the Teenage Witch, the character of teacher Mrs. Quick identifies Terre Haute as her hometown.

The popular web comic Penny Arcade mentions Terre Haute in a strip.

Terre Haute is the stated hometown of Tony, the stalker of hero Theresa Bedell, in Rebecca Gilman's play Boy Gets Girl.

The Nerd, a two-act comedy by playwright Larry Shue, is set in Terre Haute.

Terre Haute was mentioned in the NBC series Parks and Recreation as the origin city of the founder of the town where the show takes place.

Terre Haute is mentioned in T.S. Eliot's French poem "Lune de Miel".

Terre Haute is mentioned in I Love Lucy "Lucy meets Superman". Lucy tries to get Superman to come to little Ricky's birthday party. Ricky calls Lucy and says "I talked to his secretary and he is leaving Saturday for Terre Hoot." Lucy responds "Terre Hoot?" Ricky replies "Yes, Terre Hoot, Terre Hoot, Indiana."

In the Blues Brothers film, Matt "Guitar" Murphy complains about the quality of the cabbage roll served during his stint in the Terre Haute Federal Pen.

Terre Haute is the name of the 9th song from the 2010 album "The Threshingfloor" by the Denver, Colorado based band Wovenhand.

Terre Haute is mentioned on "The West Wing" in reference to a federal execution.

In one episode of One Day At A Time, the divorced mother, played by Bonnie Franklin, says she is going to Terre Haute to do some shopping.

On an episode of The Middle, the father says he is driving to Terre Haute to buy his son a gift for Christmas.

"Plagued by Poverty"
I'm confused about the line in the article that Terre Haute is plagued by blight and poverty.

"...the medium income for a household in the city is $28,018, and the median income for a family is $37,618. Males have a median income of $29,375 versus $21,374 for females. The per capita income for the city is $15,728. 19.2% of the population and 14.8% of families are below the poverty line. Out of the total population, 17.4% of those under the age of 18 and 11.4% of those 65 and older are living below the poverty line."

and

" Overall, however, the downtown area of Terre Haute continues to be plagued by much blight and poverty."

From this article, "19.2% of the population is below the poverty line and, according to Wikipedia, " In 2008, 13.2% (39.8 million) Americans lived in relative poverty."

Taking into account the extremely low cost of living here, though, I'm not sure if it's all right to say that Terre Haute's plagued by poverty per se. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.157.206.227 (talk) 03:16, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

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Why virtually no mention of Eugene V. Debs?
It seems like an important topic to miss. His home, the Eugene V. Debs house is on the National Register for Historic Places and is equally (and I would argue more) important historically as Paul Dresser.

Indiana is politically a very conservative, "red" state. Is that why a different kind of "red" is being omitted from this city's narrative here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.48.14 (talk) 13:13, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

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KKK rally
A previous editor removed the mention of the 1923 KKK rally from the page because the rally took place outside of Terre Haute and only the march happened in Terre Haute. I believe that the information should be maintained. From further research, it appears that "Forest Park" refers to an area of undeveloped land to the northeast that may have at the time been five miles north but is now only just past the official border for Terre Haute. Additionally, as the other editor mentioned, the march did take place in Terre Haute and should therefore be relevant to the page, but it was removed as well. I think that the march alone is significant enough to be kept, and if we keep the march, we should keep its context of the state's largest ever rally. Isslwc (talk) 16:19, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Citation for including TH in Sundown towns in indiana?
I'm not sure if this page or the category page is the best place to ask this but Terre Haute is listed in the category of Sundown Towns in Indiana and there's no mention of that anywhere in the article. So either evidence needs to be added or it needs to be removed from the category Jccalhoun (talk) 20:43, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

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