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User talk:RHaworth/Archive to 2005 August

Aerial photo links

 * The multimap links to aerial views are not very appropriate for use in Scotland, the areas covered are minimal, indeed those areas that are allegedly covered simply don't work and haven't for some time. -- User:Fraslet 20:34, 2005 May 2
 * Feel free to develop a map-only template for Scotland but be aware that I hope that before not very long all the templates will be changed to look like this:
 * for Hardgate
 * On the map sources page try the Terraserver link. OK, the picture has moved two more clicks away from the article but you do get a choice of four satellite images. -- RHaworth 13:52, 2005 May 3 (UTC)
 * I changed my mind, I have added a map sources link to and retained the existing links - see Hardgate for example. -- RHaworth 04:54, 2005 May 5 (UTC)

GB location data
Now at wikisource:British locations. Lupin 23:45, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * "WARNING: This page is 2169 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections." But thanks anyway. -- RHaworth 23:53, 2005 May 9 (UTC)

 * Much quicker, if you look up the map as you write the page, Multimap gives you the co-odinates in the different formats if you scroll down, which is much quicker. My problem is I used mmuk at 1000000 scale, but the scales for the "other map sources" seemed to be erratic. Chevin 13:59, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Template:gbmapping
You might like to look at the discussion at Template talk:gbmapping where there seems to be some disquiet about the recent changes. Personally I really like the new mechanism, at least when browsing with Firefox, but it doesn't seem to work at all well in Microsoft Internet Exploder. I get a 'yellow redirection notice' every time I click on a Template:gbmapping link, and that same notice captures my 'back' button so I cannot get back to the original article. -- Chris j wood 20:14, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Union Bridge
I'd like to encourage you to post Union Bridge (Tweed) at the DYK section for the main page. -- Samuel Wantman 10:22, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Pentrich, Derbyshire
On my browser (Firefox) your yellow marker dot for Pentrich appears to be in Northern France... :-) Linuxlad
 * Oh ! I have tested it with two versions of Internet Explorer and two versions of Opera. 1) Try a few more of Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:GBthumb. 2) If they are all faulty, try Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Ie citytown infobox. If the Irish one works and the British does not, tell me. If both don't work, tell User:Bastique because I cribbed GBthumb straight from Ie_citytown_infobox. -- RHaworth 12:30, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)

Will have to be later (appropriately, going up to Derby now - will see if I can find a yellow dot on the way there). Belper dot was in the right place, so is Alfreton. EW location of Pentrich dot is also about right but it's about 6 inches too low (at the word 'informer') Bob
 * Also, try any "Map sources" link and select "Find this location on Multimap (aerial photo) - with circle (using lat/long)". Does that work? The multimap circle is applied in much the same way as the Pentrich dot. (But the Belper dot is a totally different dot!) -- RHaworth 20:26, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)

The browser is actually Firebird (pre release Firefox). Lichfield, Slough don't work either. I don't usually have a problem with Multimap.

Just tried Dillo on it - Belper, Alfreton are OK. Pentrich is NOT. (Dillo prides itself on being standard W3C html). -- Linuxlad
 * The write-up on Dillo says it don't support CSS so we would not expect it to handle any of these pages using Template:GBthumb. Re Firefox: Does it place a red circle around Belper on this Multimap link.
 * Yes. the circle's there, within the town Linuxlad
 * And what does it make of these Irish pages?
 * I tried these - couldn't see anything untoward.
 * My feelings are that CSS is now an integral part of HTML and that the benefits of the GBthumb technique are so great
 * which, why! There appear to be lots of maps that do without it!
 * that we can ignore any browser that does not support CSS properly. But let's see what User:Bastique thinks. -- RHaworth 06:15, 2005 Jun 17 (UTC)
 * Very debatable! Wikipedia is meant to be a fairly accessible site - I would be disappointed if reasonable accomodation couldn,t be made for Dillo and its kind. If we go down the bells and whistles route, we'll end up needing Flash and a full JVM - WP should use the lowest level technique that delivers IMHO. Eg. I sometimes run Dillo on a playstation2 or on an old 486. It gives me 99% of what I want at 1% of the cost of a modern hot-box. Linuxlad

"I tried these - couldn't see anything untoward." Just to be clear on that, please. Look at the Swords, Dublin article. There is a map. With Firefox do you see a red dot? Where is that dot? RWH Same question for Dublin (which has slightly different HTML for its dot). RWH If you see dots for those and in the right places then we do have a strange problem with the GBthumb dots. -- RHaworth 07:19, 2005 Jun 18 (UTC)
 * One dot, in the box but offshore on the East coat.Linuxlad 11:22, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * A blob where I think Dublin is, and another dot, offshore, roughly where the Swords one was.Linuxlad

Thank you very much for taking the trouble to follow this thread. I have posted this screen shot (Opera 8 under Windows XP) to show what I see for these two Co. Dublin articles. Both Bastique and I would be very interested to see screen shot/s from Firefox of the same articles. It is probably easiest if you post them to one of your own websites but you can upload them to Wiki instead. Mention of a blob and a dot for Dublin is puzzling - it cannot be surely that you are mistaking Lambay Island for a computer-generated dot. -- RHaworth 19:45, 2005 Jun 18 (UTC)

Adding a map to Whitchurch, Hampshire
I am puzzled. After much searching I cannot see how you create a small map with a yellow dot on it to show the location. Would you point me at the relevant page? Thanks -- User:Jmcc150 20 June 2005 15:07 UTC
 * Template:GBthumb. I will try and find time to document it. -- RHaworth 18:03, 2005 Jun 20 (UTC)

Red link recovery project
Howdy, Topbanana here, back after an extended absence. I've decided to round up a few of my more useful reports into a project with the goal of converting as many "red links" (links to non-existant articles) into "blue links" (links to real articles). As you've been active in fixing similar things in the past, I thought I'd let you know in case you're interested in joining up. If not, I won't be offended - we've all got lots todo here :) - TB 11:38, 2005 Jun 23 (UTC)

Madge of Hambledon
jguk is taking a wikibreak. I have also heard the story of Madge and afaik, what he has written is true. Please let it be. I'll try to find some authentic source and more background. Tintin 28 June 2005 06:51 (UTC)

WP600 list
Hi - I don't mind that you added yourself to the list I made. I added a note with your entry since you don't actually meet the criteria as stated (which refers to the WP:1000 list as of a particular date). -- Rick Block (talk) July 8, 2005 01:56 (UTC)

SER
[originally posted in User talk:Nichalp] I am not too happy with what you have done to South Eastern Railway. There are over fifty articles which refer to the UK railway and so far only two or three which link to the Indian one. Will you please do one of the following: Thanks. -- RHaworth 2005 July 8 00:54 (UTC)
 * (Preferably) move South Eastern Railway (UK) back to South Eastern Railway - and provide an -style link at the top of it to the Indian SER.
 * Complete the job and modify all articles with links to South Eastern Railway to point to the proper article.

 * Hi! Thanks for your message.
 * The normal Wikipedia approach is the main article space should go to the best-known usage. The names are equally popular since they are localised. Since we have a larger UK wikipedian contingent, its no surprise that the UK railways has so many articles linked to it. (You can also read this: WikiProject Countering systemic bias)
 * I don't like to do repetitive tasks and copyediting, as after a couple of such edits, ennui sets in. I looked out for a wikiproject that does such tasks, but apparently I could not. This dab work would ideally have to be done by a bot. I'll anyways look out for someone who undertakes such tasks in the meantime.
 * Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»=  July 8, 2005 08:53 (UTC)

What that really means is that there should be no double redirects or self redirects. Such pages point to nowhere. There are lots of pages that do not link directly link to the article. Its really not a crime, someone or the other is bound to fix it. It really doesn't need an admin to carry out the task does it? :) Regards, 09:00, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

verses
Hiya,

you recently voted to merge John 20:16

Uncle G has made a wider proposal covering a much larger group of verses.

would you be prepared to make a similar vote at Votes for deletion/Individual Bible verses, which covers the full list of verses in Uncle G's suggestion?

9 July 2005 16:41 (UTC)

 * Actually it was way back in Feb. I am no longer interested but thanks for notifying me. -- RHaworth 20:33, 2005 July 12 (UTC)

Template:Coor and related
I am not going to be so gentle. Stop it immediately and revert what you have done. Template:coor contains the URL of an external resource which is liable to change at any time. We want just one point in Wikipedia where this URL is held. Sure, having nested templates creates a slight additional hardware overhead but it is worth it for the information localisation benefits. -- RHaworth 2005 July 9 17:12 (UTC)

 * I understand your feeling that having one place to make any future changes is nice. Sure it is.  The problem is that that convenience comes at a cost which is felt every other moment.   Look at the history of template:Coor - It hasn't been changed in three months, and I'd think is unlikely to change anytime soon.  Even if it does, you can contact me and I'll help populate that change to the related templates - there just aren't that many. Until then, the code should be part of each template itself.  This completely eliminates the overhead.  Further debate really should be moved to Template talk:Coor. -- Netoholic @ 9 July 2005 17:18 (UTC) -- Netoholic @ 9 July 2005 17:18 (UTC)
 * If I can add one personal note - there's no reason to be rude. -- Netoholic @ 9 July 2005 17:20 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I have not time at the moment to compose careful replies. Please suspend operations and wait for consensus in Template talk:coor. -- RHaworth 2005 July 9 17:26 (UTC)
 * I'll stop conversions pending more discussion - I think I've converted the big hitters already. I hope you'll also agree not to revert, since there is no immediate harm either. -- Netoholic @ 9 July 2005 17:30 (UTC)

Bill Kelly
Hi! I prefer to reserve the template for use only in the extreme case of repeated article recreations from multiple IPs. It is just possible that someone may have a legitimate article to write about a different Bill Kelly from the one referred to in the article that was deleted. Since this article was originally deleted, the IP 24.56.237.85 (talk • contribs) has placed a new article here twice. I don't (yet) see this as persistent recreation and I would prefer to take the approach of warning the IP first and then blocking them for any future recreations. JeremyA

naked news
You changed the Naked news article to be a redirect to Naked News. Would you mind, if the article Naked news was used for the phenomenon in general and pointed out in the article that Naked News was the first provider of such. --Easyas12c 19:23, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I mind very much that different articles should not have titles that differ only in the case of certain letters - it is a recipe for confusion for example, in case-insensitive search engines. I suggest: move Naked News to Naked News, Toronto this will leave you free to write your general article on whichever variant of "Naked news" you prefer. But make sure it contains a link to the Toronto one. -- RHaworth 19:35, 2005 July 12 (UTC)
 * Another example: key "south eastern railway" (without the "'s) into Wiki's search box and click "Go" - it will return South Eastern Railway automatically. -- RHaworth 21:10, 2005 July 12 (UTC)

devils hole
Nice find about devil's hole! thanksZeimusu | (Talk page) 23:34, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

v
true. sorry. freestylefrappe 21:58, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

Meiringen
Hi - apologies for removing the streetsign image; I didn't mean to imply it was a copyvio. In fact, I meant to keep it in but accidentally removed it while I was rewriting. I did just move it out of its inlined position in the text; using an image to replace text makes the name of the street inaccessible to people not using images, including text readers for the blind. CDC  (talk)  17:34, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you.
Thanks for your help ^^. What you told me to do is much easier than what I had been doing. Tahngarth  (talk)

Vfd
Thank you for telling me so I can stop doing it the wrong way. I'm relatively new to deletion policies and so on.(about 2 weeks). Jobe6 22:03, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
PLEASE tell me I'm seeing things! PLEASE tell me you haven't just undermined an entire month's work by creating England-geo-stub! PLEASE before creating any stub category check what's going on with the stub-sorting project! (Surely you saw the box at the top of Category: UK geography stubs telling you not to add subcategories without checking there first!)

I'm in the middle of the arduous job of counting and analysing all the England stubs to see what categories need to be split off from UK-geo-stub as sections of England. The job is nearing completion - I now know what counties 2744 of the 3911 stubs are from, and in two days time I will be creating several subcategories. A separate single England-geo-stub is useless, since it simply means moving all but about 60 of the stubs currently separate in UK-geo-stub into it - a complete waste of tineme. Please DO NOT USE this new stub - at least for now - and please remove all references to it everywhere, because if anyone uses it it will make a long, tedious effort worthless. As explained both at WP:WSS/C and at Category talk:Geography stubs, the split will be going ahead very very soon - within the next two or three days, in fact. Unless, of course, this new category and template is used, in which case the count will have to start all over again, since items will no doubt be disappearing from one category and reappearing in the other, and trying to keep track of them will become very difficult. I've temporarily redirected the template and blanked the category. As I said, this is temporary - please wait until the count is complete and the split is done (with any luck within a week) - then it can be returned. But for now, it really does get in the way of the work. Grutness... wha? 12:13, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Grovel. Grovel. I did not check. Please revert my stuff asap. before anyone else gets the wrong idea. -- RHaworth 12:50, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Apologies again. I see you have reverted - note that as you have left it, Category:UK geography stubs does not actually tell people what to do with England stubs - might be better to revert my edits completely. But let me be positive: point me at the list of (3911 - 2744) stubs you mention above, tell me what categories have been decided on and I will see what I can do to help. -- RHaworth 13:22, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry for howling! As you can imagine, though, it was not a particularly nice surprise. As I said, there will be a use for your creations, particularly the category, but I just don't want people to start moving things between the two categories which I'm sorting them. At the moment it looks like five individual counties are likely to get their own stubs (or in one case, a group of counties which are traditionally one): Durham, Northants, Lincs, Yorks and Dorset - these all have far more stubs than any of the others. The main trouble is that - after 500 years of hardly changing the counties at all, England seems to have failed to settle properly on new ones, with changes every five years or so. So I've got to work out whether Teesside/Cleveland should go in with Yorkshire, and things like that. Don't think of helping just as an obligation because of England-geo-stub, though - in other circumstances that may well have been a reasonable idea. If you are keen to help, though, then just keep an eye on the UK geography stubs category. The new stub templates will appear there once they're made, and I'll put a list on a subpage of my website to show what stubs need to be changed to them (this is what I do with other geo-stub splits, which I seem to have largely become responsible for somehow). Sorry again for my overreaction. Grutness... wha? 23:58, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Skelton Hall
Hello! Per your request, I have expanded the article to point to "why Shandy". Of course that is a hall of infinite mirrors. Thank you for your help in disambiguating which Skelton - literally I could not have done it myself. All the best. -- Some random IP address

Londonderry/Derry
Can you tell me why you put #REDIRECT Derry on the page Londonderry/Derry that I made? I made this page to resolve the dispute over this page.
 * Reply at Talk:Derry.

Proposing a new template
Hello

As stated in the notes of the Hlaungadath article, it might be of some use to create a {FR-intro} template. The basis would be something like this

This article treats about the fictional setting of Faerûn.

Where do I propose such a thing?

ThanksReply to David Latapie 00:44, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Be bold. Don't propose. Do it. I don't think treats about is idiomatic. Try: "This article is about Faerûn, a fictional continent, the primary setting of Forgotten Realms". Without the "s and not in italics - italics at the start of an article suggest a see-also type header (eg. Harworth). -- RHaworth 06:37, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I will follow your advice but for consistency reasons, I would have prefered a template. Maybe if enough people are interested… Reply to David Latapie 14:35, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

 * When I wrote "do it" above, I meant: create a template. Did I say anything about copying the text into each article? -- RHaworth 17:41:36, 2005-07-25 (UTC)

Another thankyou
I'm pretty new to this. Decided I should take the time to say thankyou for the improvement to Commonwealth of Caledonia Australis. I'm not an expert in fringe groups, I just live in a hotspot of them.

I'm going to try to expand that article (and some others) in the near future, and I'd deeply appreciate any stylistic advice you can give. Alex Law 06:27, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Aldermarston
is clearly marked - Do not use this template yet. I will get into trouble from Grutness if people use it. And the place is Aldermaston anyway. -- RHaworth 07:39:13, 2005-07-28 (UTC)

 * Terribly sorry, I just picked what seemed the most accurate and descriptive place to put in the general form X-geo-stub without looking at the stub message or doing any research into the place. It was just a special:newpages click which I felt would benefit from my 2 seconds changing the generic stub message to something more useful (and while the stub message I picked might be deprecated, it did have the beneficial effect of having someone who knows a great deal more than myself about the subject notice the page and realize it was a misspelling).  Sorry if I've caused any problems between you and Grutness, and I will remember to use uk-geo-stub if I run across any more stubs that should be categorized as such. -- Jonel | Speak 15:07, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

 * All my fault. I added the stub to the stub list once I finished the count of which stubs were from which counties, but forgot to announce that it could be used again. (PS - I see from your user page that you live in my mum's old home town. She spent much of her childhood in Thornton Heath). Grutness... wha? 08:18, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Reply to Message

 * Thank you for the advice. I am just learning how to use this web site.  It is a great service and I am sorry if I have done anything to complicate it. 68.218.201.169 20:25, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

A question
Since we started conversing about UK geography stubs, I've been keeping an eye on your edits (all for the best possible reasons, I assure you!). You seem to be diligent, civil Wikipedian, and you've got several thousand edits (albeit a lot of them minor ones) - have you ever considered becoming an admin? I'd be happy to nominate you if you are interested. Grutness... wha? 11:53, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I have been thinking it is about time I got admin rights. Yes, please nominate me. -- RHaworth 09:01:06, 2005-08-08 (UTC)
 * Done. Please officially accept nomination and answer the questions at Requests for adminship/RHaworth - and good luck! Grutness... wha? 09:40, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Mail Redirect
Thanks for redirecting my 'sandbox'. Dont know what happend there. I was editing it when Omegatron decided to move it (properly?) into my user space. So how it got into yours God only Knows. , I have lost a lot of stuff over the past 18 hours so if you have any other text that looks unfamiliar, pleas send it to me and I'll check if its mine. Thanks :) Light current 19:18, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I obviously created My Sandbox in the wrong place :-( although I thought I followed the instructions on how to do so properly. Sorry to have caused any inconvenience. I think my other problems may be due to comms problems at my end. Any way it seems to have cleared up for now. :-) Light current 12:37, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Grand Union Canal
I've initiated some discussion at Talk:Grand Union Canal on your proposal to merge Grand Union Canal (old) with Grand Union Canal. As you made the proposal, your input would be welcome. Thanks. StephenDawson 06:54, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * My merge proposal was really just a gut reaction to the stubby state that Grand Union Canal (old) was in at the time. Purely on article length, it now looks viable in its own right. I am happy to leave others to discuss the matter. (But I am interested in canals - I have just added a pic to Ribble Link.) -- RHaworth 04:08:33, 2005-08-11 (UTC)

DAXX stubs
I do agree with your comment - very careless of me! However on your second point - I would hardly have gone to all the trouble of writing the stubs if I'd known about the agreement, would I? It seems that others can be careless too - in not deleting all the others! Ah well - c'est la vie! Peter Shearan 19:52, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

IsWayne...
Roger, What do we do with people like this? Page = Berks County, Pennsylvania Look at IsWayneBradygonnahavetosmackabitch = Garbage

Your friend: Scotty RHaworth 17:12:37, 2005-08-13 (UTC)
 * What are you complaining about: the user's edits or their name? As to the latter I have commented at User talk:IsWayneBradygonnahavetosmackabitch. Q. What do we do with people like this? A. We welcome them with open arms as good Wikipedians with a sense of humo[u]r (which wiki needs more of). --

 * >Good answer, I guess I'm just an ordinary person, Make it still new.Scotty

Congratulations

 * Congratulations on your excellent work, Keep it up, I think you got the votes, and today is the deadline. I've been watching the *Tallies.

 * Maybe we can get more space here! Scotty

 * I am positively embarassed by the RfA votes. More space here - more space where for what? There is no shortage of space (but I do need to archive this page a bit). -- RHaworth 19:20:18, 2005-08-14 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 07:07, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! I have no doubts at all that you'll be a good admin - enjoy the colossal powers that come with it (what? oh, right)... erm, enjoy that minor but very useful powers that come with it! Grutness... wha? 09:46, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Congrats from me too! Shantavira 19:26, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Many thanks for all the kind congrats above (and for voting for me). Don't expect to see me flexing my Admin muscles immediately. In fact don't expect any edits - I am taking a few days off. -- RHaworth 08:48:28, 2005-08-15 (UTC)

Miss you already
It's been two days and I miss you... Hey, hope you are having a wonderful time. In all sincerity... "Sometimes you have to stop and smell the roses".

When is the Wiki-Convention and where? Where are you? Scotty

Chevin Page
"It's your user page so I will not be at all offended if you choose to delete this picture" Not at all. I'm tickled!Chevin 08:37, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Is your picture of the right one though? (Chevin's Chevin is the one near Milford Derbyshire, [I presume]...)Linuxlad PS, yes I too DO 'own' an IP)

 * Read the image description. -- RHaworth 17:50:48, 2005-08-20 (UTC)

Kenneth McKellar

 * I recreated the article but this time with proper content. I'm not sure of the catagories other than the stub for this. CambridgeBayWeather 18:20, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Putting the map into infoboxes
Hey there, I've been putting the static versions of the maps you've created into the infobox (Template:Infobox England place with map) - for example Newbury, Berkshire. I've came accross GBthumb and I'm not sure how to go about putting that into the infobox, since that has a frame and is rather large for the infobox. Could you take a look at User:Joolz/workshop3 and tell me what effect scaling it down to 115px (5px for the dot) will have on the positioning of the dot? Thanks -- Joolz 19:35, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I did not create the static versions - that was Lupin. Looks fine to me. The east and south offsets used in a GBthumb call need to be scaled down by $$\frac{23}{36}$$ = 0.638889. The example here is for Mersea Island and looks OK. -- RHaworth 12:00:15, 2005-08-21 (UTC)
 * Oops yes, Lupin did create the static ones, my mistake! Thanks for your advice, I'll create GBthumb2 for this. Cheers, Joolz 12:12, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Two HTML Questions:
Roger what is &hellip; and &nbsp;. I had to get rid of the & to post this. Know you are busy, when you have a chance...Thanks Scotty
 * Systemic-bias alert. Wiki editors please remember: there are real people out there who have never seen the HTML manual! Look at character entity references. Others that you may need are: &mdash; (—), &rarr; (→) & &amp; (&). -- RHaworth 18:42:43, 2005-08-21 (UTC)

I see:

nbsp  CDATA -- no-break space = non-breaking space, hellip  CDATA -- horizontal ellipsis = three dot leader, mdash  CDATA -- em dash, amp    CDATA -- ampersand, ISOnum Could not find rarr.

Hey won't waste your time on it anymore. You will make an excellent admin.

You made the list of Admin's
WP:LA

Scotty

Vandal
Hi. Could you please block this IP User talk:202.74.164.3, who is vandalisng Jew and Jews in the Middle Ages and has been warned several times. Thanks TigerShark 07:16, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * User:FCYTravis got there first cos I was having to find out how to do it! -- RHaworth 07:36:55, 2005-08-25 (UTC)


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Via Valeria

The Via Valeria was an ancient Roman road of Italy, the continuation north-eastwards of the Via Tiburtina from Tibur. It probably owed its origin to Marcus Valerius Messalla, censor in 154 BC. A second Via Valeria, the Via Valeria of Sicily, connected Messina and Siracusa on the island of Sicily.

The route
It ran first up the Anio Valley past Varia, and then leaving the Anio at the 36th mile, where the Via Sublacensis joined it, ascended to Carsoli and to the lofty pass of Monte Bove, whence it descended again to the valley occupied by the Lake Fucino in Roman times. It is doubtful whether, before Claudius, the Via Valeria ran farther than Cerfennia, the eastern point of the territory of the Marsi, to the northeast of Lake Fucino. Strabo states that in his day it went as far as Corfinium, and this important place must have been accessible from Rome, but probably beyond Cerfennia only by a track.

At the Roman statio ad Lamnas (at Cineto Romano), it split into two routes, the Valeria vetus and Valeria nova, which reunited near Riofreddo. The vetus was older as it was a military road that later became a more difficult shortcut when the nova became the longer but easier main road.

On the prolongation beyond Cerfennia, a milestone (Corp. Inscr. Lat. IX. 5973) states that in 48-49 AD Claudius made the Via Claudia Valeria from Cerfennia to the mouth of the Aternus (the site of modern Pescara). This difficult part of the road to the valley of the Aternus involved a drop of nearly 300 m and the crossing of the main ridge of the Apennines by the modern Forca Caruso. From Popoli, the road followed the valley of the Aternus to its mouth, and there joined the coast-road at Pescara. The modern railway from Rome to Castellammare Adriatico follows closely the line of the Via Valeria. He also constructed a road, the Via Claudia Nova connecting the Via Salaria to the Via Valeria near the modern Popoli. This road was continued south to Isernia.

Since 2000 the Ponte Scutonico, the most important and well-preserved monument of the Via Valeria in the Aniene valley which had been buried after floods and landslides, has been excavated with the enhancement of the stretch of road belonging to it leading to a considerable advance in knowledge. It was probably built under Nerva (r. 96–8) along with enhancement of the road.

Via Valeria of Sicily
A second Via Valeria, the Via Valeria of Sicily, connected Messina and Siracusa ("Syracuse"). Hardly widened or improved until the nineteenth century, it remained the backbone of the Ionian drainage basin of Sicily, favouring the development of cities along it: Messina, Taormina, Giardini-Naxos, Giarre, Acireale, Catania, Augusta, and Siracusa. Today, Route 114 follows it in part.

Roman bridges

There are the remains of at least two Roman bridges along the road, which are the Ponte San Giorgio and the Ponte Scutonico.

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: Via Valeria


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Cheung Sai Ho

 Cheung Sai Ho (27 August 1975 – 22 April 2011 ) was a Hong Kong professional footballer who played as an attacking midfielder.

Club career
In July 2008, Cheung officially announced his retirement from professional football.

International career
In the 1993 Gothia Cup, at the age of 18, Cheung scored the then fastest ever goal on record (2.8 seconds).

On 28 October 2007, Cheung played his last game for Hong Kong during the 2010 FIFA World Cup qualification, where he helped Hong Kong to defeat East Timor 2–3 away and 8–1 at home to advance to the next round.

Death
On 22 April 2011, Cheung committed suicide at the age of 35 by jumping from his home in Tin Heng Estate. The police reported that he was having a dispute with his wife over money and love before the incident.

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 * It didn't really seem encyclopedic to mention the initial teething troubles for an online store. It seems more like the kind of trivia you'd find on an Apple fan site.  Glitches are rarely encyclopedic material unless they're as notorious as the Pentium FDIV bug.  See WP:NOT.Kufat (talk) 18:28, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

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Where's Waldo?
It just occurred to me, but I think the Where's Waldo? comparison (that is, Wally for you non–North Americans...) is very appropriate: a real expression of horror vacui itself. McReynolds' painting are filled with similarly involved scenes as are common in the Waldo books, though with somewhat more sinister and straightforwardly archetypal content. —Tarnas 06:01, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * if you said this, its not applicable to the article. who, outside WP, said this or made these comparisons.76.254.32.25 (talk) 22:41, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

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West Bengal University of Health Sciences

West Bengal University of Health Sciences (WBUHS) is a Public medical university in Kolkata, West Bengal, India. It was established in 2003 by an Act of the West Bengal Legislative Assembly for better management of the health and medical education-related courses. The main aim of establishing the university is to upgrade the level of medical teaching in the state.

History
Before the establishment of the West Bengal University of Health Sciences (WBUHS), undergraduate and postgraduate level medical teaching in different state medical colleges of West Bengal was supervised by various state universities. This caused a huge disparity between different state medical colleges of West Bengal in terms of teaching and learning process, nature and standards of the evaluation, and most significantly; the recognition of the graduates from the different universities. So all the stakeholders of medical education in the state felt the need for bringing parity in the medical education system.

Under these compelling circumstances, the West Bengal University of Health Sciences (WBUHS) was established under an Act of the West Bengal legislature. Finally, it became active on 1 January 2003; which is considered as the date of birth for this embodiment of higher education in the fields of medical sciences in the state.

Governance
The Governor of West Bengal is the chancellor of the West Bengal University of Health Sciences. The Vice-chancellor of the West Bengal University of Health Sciences is the chief executive officer of the university. Prof. (Dr.) Suhrita Paul is the current Vice-chancellor of the university.

Affiliations
The West Bengal University of Health Science is an affiliating university and has jurisdiction over all the medical, nursing, and paramedical colleges of the entire state of West Bengal. It has 124 affiliated institutions under its umbrella as of now.

Ranking and Accreditation
In September 2017, West Bengal University of Health Sciences was recognized by the University Grants Commission (U.G.C.) under section 12-B of the UGC Act, 1956.


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Talk:William Bratton

Appointment as Commissioner of NYPD
As I recall Bratton was already Commission of the New York City Police Department under Mayor David Dinkins, In fact Bratton was already a controverial figure because during the 2001 Mayorial campaign then candidate Rudy Giuliani had complained to the police department that Mayor Dinkins had violated election laws and Police Commission Bratton had basically told him and I quote "Tuff shit I am not going to do anything because your not going to be the Mayor" and as I recall after Giuliani was elected he fired Bratton and replaced him with the Commissioner of the Fire Department. So I believe this paragraph that Giuliani appointed him is incorrect and should be removed. Misterrick 07:08, 27 August 2005 (UTC).

 * Well, he DID serve under Giuliani. So maybe Giuliani reappointed him after firing him? Your story has little bearing on the article's veracity, and adding it would only clutter.

 * You are 100% WRONG, Misterrick! Bratton did not serve as New York City Police Commissioner under Mayor David Dinkins. Bratton was appointed Police Commissioner by Mayor Rudolph Giuliani in 1994. Maybe you are confusing Bratton with Raymond W. Kelly, the current New York City Police Commissioner, who served in that position in the Dinkins Administration. Citizen Dick 11:24, 11 September 2005 (UTC).

Some Bratton Predecessors and Successors
I'm not going to mess with the main page but here are some of Bratton's predecessors and successors at his earlier postings.

Boston Police Department: Successor - Paul F. Evans http://www.amazon.com/Boston-Police-Department-Images-America/dp/0738513024 (not the best support for this but I remember Evans succeeding Bratton as well)

MBTA: Predecessor - Richard L. Whelan Successor - Thomas P. Maloney http://transitpolice.us/Roll_Call.htm 4.240.123.232 21:32, 12 June 2007 (UTC)AFormerMassResident

Massive Cleanup needed
This article's a mess, I have no idea what is going on and there are even sentences that never end. I can work on the misspellings but someone needs to tackle the fragments of which I am unaware how they should end.  Valley 2 city  05:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

And he's chief of what? I've seen a lot of articles without reference to their contents in the summary, but few without reference to the summary's content in the article!--Reedmalloy (talk) 05:24, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

The Altegrity Ad
"For more information, please visit www.kroll.com[10] or www.altegrity.com[11]" That's a bit much, no? Not to mention that the promotional description of Altegrity takes up more space than the description of his tenure as LA police chief. AnthroMimus (talk) 04:08, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Bratton cited in The Tipping Point
William Bratton shows up on page 143 of Malcolm Gladwell's highly acclaimed The Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference, published by Little, Brown and Company in 2000. That book furnishes a vivid and compelling account of what Bratton did to rid the New York subways of crime in the 90s. I also find a precursor article that Gladwell wrote for The New Yorker Magazine in 1996 at http://www.gladwell.com/1996/1996_06_03_a_tipping.htm that brings up Bratton's work, although I find that article lacking in what I consider to be the most salient details. For details, you've got to go to the book that came out four years later.

I will try to get back to this eventually to see if I can craft a paragraph that brings these elements into proper focus, unless someone else beats me to the punch; but either way, there are elements here that by all rights should figure into the narrative.

--C-U RPCV 06:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Removed prominent reference to pro-eugenics-through-abortion study
Rewrote sentence on alternative explanation to the drop in crime in NY to remove reference to a trivial study that claims the main reason for reduced crime nationwide is legalized abortion. While one might be able to make a case that the drop in teenage male populations was one of many factors, this study is partisan and offensive -- note one of many quotes I could pull, "legalized abortion provides a woman the opportunity to delay childbearing if the current conditions are suboptimal. Even if lifetime fertility remains constant for all women, children are born into better environments, and future criminality is likely to be reduced." It's presentation here as the main alternative to Bratton's own book is meant to portray it as mainstream and important. There are other explanations for the drop in teenage male population besides legalized abortion. And many other factors for the crime drop besides this and the changes in police practices have been proposed, such as an improving economy, and the change in availability of cheap crack cocaine. While there might be some slight value in the removed study, its implicit support for eugenics -- through reducing the population of potential criminals by encouraging abortion among "at risk" populations -- is unsupported by sound science and morally offensive. --PFR 17:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

The above is nonsense. Firstly, the debate around legalized abortion's affect on crime is not limited to one 'trivial study'. A large number of studies have been produced by well-regarded economists and sociologists at prominent universities, chief among them chaired professors at Yale and the University of Chicago, and their findings have been related to a mass audience through a very well-known book which has sold four million copies. "Sound science" doesn't have to be inoffensive. Additionally, this issue has been raised specifically with regard to Bratton, and is certainly relevant. I'd welcome anyone who wished to re-add a passage detailing this. 188.220.33.88 (talk) 23:05, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Almost pre-NYC areer timeline
What's wrong with this picture:

 * 1970 - 1994 - Boston PD (patrolman to Executive Superintendent)
 * 1983 - 1986 - Chief, MBTA PD
 * (sometime after the T) - Superintendent, MDC Police
 * 1990 - Chief, NYC Transit Authority PD
 * 1991 - 1993 - Superintendent in Chief, Boston PD
 * 1993 - Boston Police Commissioner

Then the Infobox doesn't even mention half of that ...

Please fix. --plaws (talk) 19:53, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Poor wording
FTA: "In New York, Bratton adopted a zero tolerance policing policy from 1990. This manner of policing has won plaudits and criticism[21], but by 2001, the zero tolerance policy had resulted in a reduction of petty crime and serious crime in New York." This states that the fall in crime was directly precipitated by the zero tolerance policy, but this is impossible to prove. Better wording would be along the lines of "... but the implementation of zero tolerance policy coincided with a reduction of petty and serious crime in New York by 2001" or something similar. Thoughts? 92.14.20.150 (talk) 14:02, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

About "Zero Tolerance" according to Bratton himself:

"Bill Bratton: First, I would not advocate attempting zero tolerance anywhere in any city, in any country in the world. It's not achievable. Zero tolerance, which is often times attributed to me and my time in New York City, is not something we practised, engaged in, supported or endorsed, other than zero tolerance of police corruption. Zero tolerance implies that you in fact can eliminate a problem, and that's not reality. You're not going to totally eliminate crime and even social disorder. You can reduce it significantly.

So I would stay away from use of the term. It sounds great. Politically it's a great catchphrase. The term originated here in England when Jack Straw, as Shadow Home Secretary, visited me in New York in 1995, and by that time the impressive change in New York City had begun to occur. He heard the term "zero tolerance" when we were speaking about police corruption but then applied it across the eight strategies that we were engaging in in New York, including "broken windows", drugs, gangs, crime, stolen cars and police corruption. So it was a term misappropriated and misapplied. You seem to love it over here, because I have the hardest time convincing you to stay away from it. "

'http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmselect/cmhaf/645/10113002.htm ( Bill Bratton giving witness before the (UK)Home Affairs Committee 30 November 2010 )212.85.89.247 (talk) 10:45, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

time to update the infobox?
While the article itself has Mr. Bratton's correct current employment and residence, the infobox stil has him over in LA.

I've held off on making the changes just in case there was some reason for leaving it as is.

thanks

wiki-ny-2007 (talk) 02:04, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Out of place?
This sentence in "Los Angeles" probably belongs in New York....

In Chapter 8 of Punishing the Poor (published by Duke University Press) sociologist Loic Wacquant summarizes the evidence that Bratton's strategies did not lead to a drop in crime in New York City.126.162.150.27 (talk) 20:48, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

United Kingdom
Regarding May's insistence that only a native Briton can run the Met, she is apparently changing her tune: here http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/feb/25/bill-bratton-british-police-fewer-arrests, and here, http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/30/may-proposes-fast-track-police-promotion. o0drogue0o 12:11, 27 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by O0drogue0o (talk • contribs)

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I cleaned up New York by going back to basics - it could work for Britain's knife epidemic, too Bill Bratton

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bisexuality in Brazil

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete. R e  dwolf24  (talk) 04:40, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Bisexuality in Brazil
This is simply a non verifiable personal opinion. Following this user's contributions around is providing great fodder for our deletion campaign. I urge you all to do the same!
 * Delete Agreed. Groeck 06:30, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete As above. Nowhither 06:38, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. And that's all that really needs to be said. CanadianCaesar 06:43, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per the above --Mysidia (talk) 07:16, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * BJAODN Kappa 07:52, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Paul Klenk 08:01, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete for sure. --Bhadani 12:40, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * BJAODN out of all the X in Brasil/X in Brazil articles, this one's seems to be the funniest, but only in context with the other articles. Roodog2k 14:13, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I do agree and it is mischievous also. --Bhadani 14:17, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Dottore So 14:29, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete : Let's vote Wikibrah as the cutest vandal we've got on wikipedia. He's a borderline vandal, he knowingly adds crap here. I wonder if the admins find this cute... Manik Raina 15:24, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't personally find this cute. It reads like a Weekly World News article. Fernando Rizo T/C 18:26, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. -- DS1953 01:03, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non encyclopedic material. Elfguy 02:48, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, of course. This is just nonsense. TheMadBaron 18:52, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete.  ral  315  17:57, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'd have to say that, as the evidence mounts, I now regard this as just another prank by a known vandal. No attempt at encyclopedic content, despite many attempts to assume good faith and help the perpetrator understand what that means. So the other possibility is, it's just a series of jokes and should be treated as such. Andrewa 00:22, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment, for what little it's worth: While the quality and POV of this page is seriously sub-par, the topic is quite encyclopedic. I took an Anthropology class a year ago, a signifigant portion of which was devoted to the sexuality of Brazil, which stands in great contrast to that of the U.S., and is really quite an interesting topic worthy of inclusion. If the author could start a more neutral page (i.e. Sexuality of Brazil), I would be happy to furnish him with notes and references. ⇝Casito⇝Talk 05:05, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Good suggestion. You don't seem to be claiming that there is any useful content here to save, and IMO there isn't, it would be much easier to start again. Perhaps there is even enough encyclopedic information available for an article on bisexuality in Brazil, but a more general article is the place to start. No change of vote. Andrewa 20:26, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. There is an RfC against User:Wiki brah at present precisely because of articles like this.  I and several other users are simply out of patience.  Andrewa sums up my feelings pretty well at this point. - Lucky 6.9 17:36, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
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Anime and manga convention

An anime and manga convention (often called just anime convention) is a fan convention with a primary focus on anime, manga and Japanese culture. Anime conventions are commonly multi-day events hosted at convention centers, hotels or college campuses. They feature a wide variety of activities and panels, with a larger number of attendees participating in cosplay than most other types of fan conventions. Anime conventions are also used as a vehicle for industry, in which studios, distributors, and publishers represent their anime related releases. They also take place in multiple different countries, such as Japan, South Korea, China, India, Indonesia, the United States, Canada, Brazil, Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, Ireland, France, Germany, Italy and Spain.

History
Anime conventions have a long and varied worldwide history. The original Comiket, mostly based on fan published manga called dōjinshi, started in 1975 with around 700 people in Tokyo. In recent years, Comiket has attracted over a half million people. Conventions in Japan are heavily sponsored by studios or publishing companies and are used as platforms for new releases. In addition to Japan, convention officials at venues such as AnimeJapan have been trying to reach out to overseas manga otaku.

Anime conventions started showing up in the United States in the early 1980s. Project A-Kon first started in 1990, and is considered to be the first anime convention in the country, but this is disputed. It is also claimed that YamatoCon, a convention "devoted to Japanese animation" was first held in 1983 in Dallas Texas. Since then, multiple anime conventions have appeared in numerous states.

Since the first anime convention which brought in a few hundred people, anime conventions have exploded in popularity. AnimeCon which was held in San Jose, California in 1991 is notable for being the first convention to break the 1,000 attendance mark. It was also the first convention to receive support from American and Japanese production studios.

Anime Expo which has been held in California since 1992 is the largest anime convention outside of Japan. Anime conventions in other locations, such as Europe began to take off in the Mid-1990s. Japan Expo in Paris is the largest convention in Europe. AUKcon was a one-day anime convention held in London, England in 1994, and was chaired by Helen McCarthy. Salón del Manga de Barcelona, first held in Barcelona, Spain in 1995 is also one of the largest European conventions.

Anime conventions later spread to Australia in the late 1990s with Manifest, first held in 1998. Many anime conventions were cancelled or postponed during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Guests
Anime conventions typically feature a guest list as part of their makeup. A guest can be an industry figure, some notable examples include director Hiroyuki Kanbe, author Tsukasa Fushimi, and Kazuma Miki from Ascii Media Works. In 2013 they screened for the first time the final three episodes from the second season of Oreimo. Guests can also include artists and performers, some notable examples of these include Kazuki Takahashi, creator of Yu-Gi-Oh!. An anime convention represents an opportunity to interact with such individuals that may not be possible outside the event.

Anime convention events
Anime conventions often have panels, which are open ended discussions involving some pre-determined topic, usually related in at least some way to anime. Panels usually come in two segments, the host puts on a presentation or does an interview with a guest, and then the fans are asked to give questions. The topic scope for panels is varied and can include things from manga to upcoming announcements by an industry. There are also workshops that are like panels but are more geared towards instructions through a major or specific task such as how to draw manga, make computer animation, or how to become a voice actor. Another event at most anime conventions include screenings of actual anime shows that can last through the day.

Anime conventions can also include contests. Contests can focus around costumes (or cosplay), art works (drawn, sculpted, painted), anime-related music videos, video games, dice games, card games, and many other activities. In some cases, tangible prizes have been offered as winnings in these contests. An Exhibit Hall or Dealers' Room is also popular at anime conventions. Publishing companies, distributors, and other proprietors often arrive to exhibit and/or sell their newest products to fans. Wares can include graphic novels, manga, anime media, action figures, apparel or pre-made costumes, music CDs, software, decorations, toys, art books, specialty foods, and many more.

There are also art shows at anime conventions. The shows are similar to those at a traditional museum or gallery. Artwork of all kind is put on display for inspection, and in some cases for purchase/auction bidding, by the viewer. Entry is usually only restricted by space available & registration with the convention. The artist can choose to be present to display, discuss, or take commission in a variation of the art show known as the Artists' Alley. Artists may also include crafts, drawn art, self-published books or video, fanzines, and more.

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Troy Reeb

Troy Douglas Reeb '' (born November 6, 1969) is a Canadian media executive and former journalist who currently serves as executive vice president of broadcast networks for all Corus Entertainment properties, including the Global Television Network. Reeb was born in Toronto, Ontario and raised in Westlock, Alberta.

Career
As the head of broadcast networks, Reeb is responsible for all Corus TV, radio and digital properties, including Global TV and 37 specialty channels including W Network, HGTV Canada, Showcase, Food Network Canada and History Television. Additionally, he oversees all radio content and audio products for Corus. He was promoted in February 2019 from his former role as senior vice president of news, radio and station operations. In this role, his roster spanned the network's flagship newscast Global National, local operations from 15 television stations, 39 Corus Radio stations and a dozen Global News bureaus across Canada - with additional satellite bureaus in Washington and London.

Reeb was promoted to the Global Television Network's top news job in June 2008, after returning to the Toronto head office in September 2006. Previously, he served as an on-air correspondent, most notably as the Global News bureau chief in Washington, D.C. and as a political reporter in the network's Ottawa bureau.

Prior to joining the national news, Reeb was a political reporter and commentator for Global Ontario CIII-TV, where among other responsibilities he hosted Focus Ontario. Previous to that, he worked 10 years in radio, with approximately half that time spent in smaller cities such as Saskatoon and Yellowknife, and the other half covering national and international events for Broadcast News, the radio service of The Canadian Press.

In addition to serving as a backup anchor on Global National, other network programs Reeb hosted for Global included Global Sunday, and the short-lived Ottawa Inside-Out. In his executive role, Reeb in 2008 championed the launch of a new current affairs program on Global entitled "16x9 - The Bigger Picture."

Following Shaw's purchase of Global and other broadcast assets of the former Canwest in 2010, Reeb announced Shaw would be undertaking an aggressive expansion of Global News both on television and online, with the addition of local morning newscasts in six markets across Canada. He later announced the addition of a national morning show, a national political talk show, The West Block and Shaw's first regional all-news channel Global News: BC 1. On April 1, 2016, Shaw received approval to sell its media assets to Corus.

During his tenure as head of news and radio for Corus, Reeb has pioneered Global News' award-winning Multi-Market Content (MMC) broadcast model, led a digital strategy that has built Globalnews.ca into the largest, private-sector online news provider in Canada, oversaw the relaunch of eight Corus news-talk radio stations under the Global News Radio moniker, and successfully reformatted FM stations including 92.5 The 'Chuck Edmonton and Peggy @ 99.1 Winnipeg.

The son of a United Church of Canada minister, Reeb spent his early childhood in Ontario, before the family settled in Westlock, Alberta when Reeb was 13. He got his start in broadcast journalism at age 16 at CFOK (AM), a Westlock radio station. He graduated from Lethbridge College in 1988 and helps fund an annual scholarship in his name at the institution where he was named Distinguished Alumni of the Year in 2003. He is a recipient of the Alberta Centennial Medal and the Provincial Awards Celebrating Excellence.

Reeb serves on numerous boards of directors, including with Radioplayer Canada, the CAB Radio CEO Council and Journalists for Human Rights.

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William Fitzwilliam Owen

Vice Admiral William Fitzwilliam Owen (17 September 1774 – 3 November 1857), was a British naval officer and explorer. He is best known for his exploration of the west and east African coasts, discovery of the Seaflower Channel off the coast of Sumatra and for surveying the Canadian Great Lakes.

The illegitimate son of Captain William Owen he was orphaned at the age of four, however, his father's friend Rear-Admiral Sir Thomas Rich, kept an eye on both William and his elder brother Edward. In 1788 at age 13 he embarked as a midshipman in Rich's ship, HMS Culloden (1783), and from that time the Royal Navy was his life. Self-willed and boisterous, he had frequent difficulties early in his naval career.

He served at home and on ships in the East Indies. He was commissioned as a lieutenant in 1797. In 1801 he took command of the fireship HMS Nancy (1794). In late 1801 the hired armed cutter King George, under the command of a Mr. Yawkins, served under Nelson at his failed attack on Boulogne. On 25 August Nelson came aboard King George to conduct a reconnaissance of the French fleet. In October Nelson gave Owen command over the King George as well, with secret instructions to launch a burning Nancy at the French fleet. The fire attack did not occur and Nancy was sold in December.

After the resumption of war with France in 1803, Owen was given command of the 16-gun brig HMS Seaflower (1782), which sailed to the East Indies. There he served under Rear-Admiral Sir Edward Pellew, Commander-in-Chief East Indies.

He explored the Maldive Islands in 1806, and in the same year discovered the Seaflower Channel, between the islands of Siberut and Sipora off the west coast of Sumatra.

He fought the Dutch in the East Indies, but on 28 September 1808 the French frigate Manche captured Seaflower. The French held Owen from 1808 to 1810 in Mauritius, during which time he was promoted to commander. After his release Owen was promoted to post captain in May 1811, before returning to England in 1813.

From 1815 to 1816, he surveyed the Upper Canadian Great Lakes with Lieutenant Henry Wolsey Bayfield, naming an inlet in southern Georgian Bay "Owen's Sound" in honour of his elder brother, Admiral Sir Edward William Campbell Rich Owen. Between 26 October 1815 and 31 May 1816 he was the senior Royal Navy Officer on the Great Lakes.

Owen mapped the entire east African coast from the Cape to the Horn of Africa between 1821 and 1826 in the sloop Leven and in company with the brig HMS Barracouta (1820). During this period, Owen established a one-man protectorate of Mombasa with the aim of disrupting the 'hellish trade' in slaves; but Owen was forced to shut down under orders from the Crown after only three years. When he returned in 1826, with 300 new charts, covering some 30,000 miles of coastline, over half of his original crew had been killed by tropical diseases. His survey of the east coast of Africa is regarded as one of the most challenging ever undertaken by the British Admiralty.

In 1827 he was in charge of settling a colony at Fernando Po. During the first year, he was joined by Lieutenant James Holman who was famous in his time as "the Blind Traveller".

In the mid-1830s, having little hope of further naval appointment, he removed with his family to New Brunswick. He secured title to Campobello Island, which had been granted to his father and was lord proprietor of the same as well as being involved in other investments in New Brunswick. From 1841 he served as a justice of the peace as well as concurrently as judge of the Inferior Court of Common Pleas.

Between 1837 and 1842 he was a very visible member of the New Brunswick House of Assembly for Charlotte County. Following his defeat for reelection, he was appointed in December 1843 to the New Brunswick Legislative Council of which he was an active member through 1851. He was elected an Associate Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 1844.

In the final action of his naval career, between September 1842 and December 1847, he conducted the definitive survey of the Bay of Fundy for the Admiralty. Indeed, some charts of the area are still based upon his surveys.

Family
Vice Admiral Owen was twice married: first in January 1818 to Martha Evans with whom he had two daughters (see Captain John James Robinson-Owen), secondly 11 December 1852 in Saint John, New Brunswick to Amy (née Vernon) Nicholson widow of Captain Thomas L. Nicholson (see William Johnstone Ritchie).

Owen was promoted Rear Admiral in 1841 and Vice Admiral in 1854. He died on 3 November 1857 at St. John, New Brunswick.

Legacy
A species of African chameleon, Trioceros oweni, was named in his honor by British zoologist John Edward Gray in 1831.

title: William Fitzwilliam Owen


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Talk:Australian English phonology

Madder
Here's a potential minimal pair: madder and madder. The only problem is that I don't think I've heard the latter ever pronounced so I'm only guessing that it would have as opposed to the former's. Jimp 01:32 (UTC) P.S. Though it be only a guess as I've mentioned this is perhaps interesting in itself: why would I guess so? Indeed if I read the article on the plant using the pronunciation of the surperlative in my head, it does sound off, so what's the go here? Jimp 01:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Two sides of the same coin:
 * That pair alone isn’t enough to prove that /æː/ is a phoneme in Australian English; the syllable boundary could be after the /d/ in “more mad” (keeping with the morpheme boundary) but before it in the plant’s name (for a basic CV.CV word). Better evidence for the difference is pairs like ran~Wran or mad~lad. Even ran~Wran could be described with “ran” being faithful to the length of the base form, “run”, but “Wran” following the regular course.
 * As for the way you’re reading it; that’s simple: lengthening doesn’t (never) happens if the consonant is followed by a vowel or approximant, unless a morpheme boundary intervenes; the contrast is restricted to closed syllables. You’re treating the plant’s name as monomorphemic, so lengthening would be anomalous.
 * —Felix the Cassowary 12:56, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

 * That's some interesting stuff there Felix. However, wouldn't /mæ.də/ break the rule (with its short stressed vowel in the open syllable)? Jimp 07:10, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

 * No; that’s precisely what you expect. English /æ/ lengthening is not Swedish vowel lengethening. The plant is /mæ.də/; the superlative is in some (possibly historical) way /mæd.ə/ [mæːd.ə]. Today, it might be the case that the superlative is /mæːd-ə/ [mæː.də] where the length is retained from the underlying specification, rather than added.
 * Also, don’t forget that /d/ doesn’t/didn’t generally cause lengthening; it’s just the case that four words ending in -d happen to have long vowels: mad, glad, sad and bad. All other words ending in -ad have a short /æd/: had, fad,[*] lad, dad, pad, ... and I also read neologisms like spad, blad with short vowels.
 * [*] I’ve always pronounced the “politically correct” name for a certain brand of fake cigarette lollies I liked as a kid as [fæːdz], presumably because the old name for them was [fæːgz]. But a passing superficial fashion is [fæd].
 * —Felix the Cassowary 15:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I disagree about 'dad'-- for me and everyone I know it's long.Marquetry28 (talk) 05:19, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

How about these? J IM ptalk·cont 15:30, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * span (one past tense of spin) — span (e.g. like wingspan)
 * can (verb) — can (noun)
 * ran (past tense of run) — Wran (surname)
 * bade (past tense of bid) — bad (not good)

T Glottalisation?
The article claims that some speakers glottalise the 't' where it is found on the end of a word (eg 'paint'). I have lived in Australia my whole life however and have never heard this from a native speaker of Australian English. T glottalisation is for all I know I feature of South-Eastern Estuary and Cockney British accents. Is it possible that these speakers, if they exist, are those who have spent time in the United Kingdom and picked up this feature? Saruman-the-white (talk) 08:40, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It's more likely that you are not understanding what's being described than that you haven't heard the phenomenan. Cox & Palethorpe (2007) say:
 * "'Glottal stops may function as allophones of (glottalling) in syllable-final position before syllabic and other non-syllabic sonorants (for example, button, cotton, butler , light rain  or not now ) (Tollfree 2001). It is very unusual for glottal stops to replace  intervocalically, before syllabic  or , or in pre-pausal position. Glottal reinforcement (glottalisation) of voiceless stops is, however, often found, particularly in syllable-final nonpre-vocalic environments, and is commonly accompanied by laryngealisation.' (p. 343)"
 * — Æµ§œš¹  [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 15:04, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I asked three different people (two general, one broad) to say, "I want to paint the wall" and "push the button", and all three glottalised the T's in "paint" and "button". It does seem to be fairly common. Orderinchaos 12:52, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you mean they flapped the t's? (ie, pronounced them more as D's? as Australians and North Americans do) ie "buddon" for button? Glottalising would be more like "bah'on" for button or "wor'ah" for water (a complete loss of the "t" as in Cockney: glottalisation) rather than "buddon or wader" as in AusE. I have never encountered this phenomenon in any native speaker of Australian English, whereas flapping is universal with the possibly exception of the cultivated accent.Saruman-the-white (talk) 14:44, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * See the above quote, which claims that Australian English glottalizes /t/ in button but not water. — Æµ§œš¹  [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]  15:46, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

It is indeed very common. I too say (glottalised) and  (flapped) in normal speech. I only pronounce and  when enunciating. --101.112.163.217 (talk) 01:37, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

T glottalisation occurs not in the middle of words like 'button' and 'water' but at the end of words like 'paint', 'cut', 'cute' etc. This is particularly strong in perceived 'ethnic' or 'woggish' English dominant in at least from my experience northern melbourne. (I come from Reservoir and definitely speak like this) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.165.156.242 (talk) 11:56, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Neutral vowel at end of word
I'm not sure how to type in the "upside down" e to indicate neutral vowel. However it's very common nowadays, if not universal, with people under the age of 30, to hear this vowel pronounced as a flat and very pronounced "a".

For example: "My father is a doctor" will be pronounced by most young Australians (particularly female) as "My Fathah is a Doctah" with the stress moved from the first syllable and equal emphasis given to both syllables.

A really obvious example is the pronuciation of "year" by most young people. Instead of a smooth transition to a final neutral vowel, the word is now regularly pronouncedas "yee-hah" as if a double syllable. --MichaelGG (talk) 08:41, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

 * I've heard those things too. They do seem to me to be more common (but not universal) with young people in my experience. Accentman (talk) 04:41, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Other features
However the Alphabet Song for children is always sung ending with zee in accordance with the rhyme. I dispute this. It may be sung with either "zed" or "zee". I have always sung it "zed" except when consciously imitating the American pronunciation. The article Alphabet Song even mentions that the lack of an exact rhyme does not cause problems for children. I realise that the "citation needed" tag is very new (March 2015) but I would suggested rewording this sentence rather than trying to find a citation for it which could take years or never happen. Danielklein (talk) 11:52, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

 * This is complete rubbish. It's called zed rhyme or no rhyme.  However, it's not a matter worth debating here since this is not a question on phonology.  It's irrelevant, delete the whole sentence. Jimp 23:00, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

 * Whilst I was at it I got rid of this.

 * Common in Australian English is the use of the word like as a quotative, discourse marker or as a hedge, similar to its use in "Valleyspeak" belonging to the "Valley Girl" stereotype of the United States. This appears to have been adopted by young Australians during the 1980s when "Valleyspeak" became popularized internationally through music and media of the time.

 * These are points about vocabulary not phonology. Feel free to add this at Australian English vocabulary (but just don't add nonsense like the alphabet song claim). Jimp 23:09, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Bold in tables
I disagree with (what I perceive as) the excessive use of bold in the table, which I removed, but that removal has been reverted. MOS:BOLD is fairly clear that bold is only used in certain cases, and I do not believe that this is such a case. Most of the rows other than the top row are not headings, so should not be bold.

Other editors are invited to express an opinion ....Mitch Ames (talk) 08:33, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

 * I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you, Mitch. The cells you unbolded are as much headers as the ones you left bold.  We're trying to convey the sense of phonemes positioned within a two-dimensional space.  The vertical dimension (e.g. close-mid-open for monophthongs) is just as important as the horizontal (e.g. front-central-back).  Thus the cells down the vertical axis are just as much table headings as those along the horizontal.  Help:Table gives several examples of tables with headings down the vertical.
 * Consider this. Suppose linguists had adopted the convention of charting vowels with frontedness on the vertical and openness on the horizontal (instead of vice-versa), we'd have followed suit and, I'd assume, you'd have unbolded front-central-back instead of close-mid-open.  Bolding should be dependant on an arbitrary convention, though.
 * I hope this goes some way to explain Erutuon's statement that "this is the way phonology tables are formatted, with phonetics terms as headers and phonetics symbols as table cells". Jimp 11:49, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

 * MOS:BOLD is only talking about bold text created by three apostrophes (...), not about table headers. Bolding in table headers is automatic, and is not restricted like bolding in text, and neither is bolding of section headings, like the heading of this talk page section.

 * As says, the charts of vowel and consonant phonemes are x–y graphs. In the vowel chart, the x-axis is backness (Front, Central, Back) and the y-axis is height (Close, Mid, Open). In the consonant chart, place of articulation (Labial, Dental, Alveolar, ...) is x, and manner of articulation (Nasal, Stop, voiced, voiceless, ...) is y. The phonetic symbols are the points on the graph, and have both x and y features (backness and height, place and manner of articulation). Because phonetics terms (height and backness, place and manner of articulation) are the x- and y-axes, they're headers. Because phonetic symbols are points, they're table cells. Hope this explanation makes sense of how the tables are formatted. — Eru·tuon 19:46, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

 * OK, thanks for that. I had overlooked the possibility of row headings. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:46, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

golf and gulf
Do Australians pronounce these two words the same way? I've heard that Australians pronounce them the same merging the short "o" and the short "u" vowels before /l/ and another consonant when the consonant after the /l/ doesn't form another morpheme as in "gulls". 2602:306:3653:8A10:C86D:9A81:A3E8:8B53 (talk) 19:51, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Such merger is possible in London (see the second volume of Wells's Accents of English), but I don't know about Australia. It's probably also possible there. Peter238 (talk) 21:57, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, we do. Speaking on behalf of all Australians, I declare that we pronounce them the same, with the vowel of  LOT and CLOTH  .  It's the same with "colt" and "cult".  Seriously, though, I'd say I do and others seem to but I couldn't say for sure.  It could vary from place to place (I'm from Sydney). Jimp 21:25, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Interesting that you have short "o" (the LOT vowel) in "colt". I have the GOAT vowel in that word. What about "volt", "bolt" and "dolt"? Do those have the LOT vowel for you? I have the GOAT vowel in those words. Do you pronounce "a dolt" and "adult" the same way? 2602:306:3653:8920:4DD1:65AF:320C:9D95 (talk) 18:33, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Come to think of it, yes, it may be GOAT not LOT / CLOTH . Actually, I'm not so sure that I distinguish LOT / CLOTH from GOAT before /lt/ or /ld/. Jimp 02:30, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you rhyme "coaled", "dolled" (all dolled up), and "sold"? For me, "dolled" has the LOT vowel whereas "coaled" and "sold" have the GOAT vowel. I don't think any modern English speakers distinguish between LOT and GOAT before /lt/ and /ld/ in words with only one morpheme like "volt" and "bold". Dictionaries I've seen all show the GOAT vowel in those words. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cold?s=t, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/colt?s=t, http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cold, http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/colt While I think these words historically had the vowel in LOT it has shifted to GOAT in modern English at least for most speakers. 2602:306:3653:8920:4DD1:65AF:320C:9D95 (talk) 03:45, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It's quite an extraordinary claim to say that "no modern English speakers distinguish between LOT and GOAT before /lt/ and /ld/ in words with only one morpheme". It's obviously not true - this distinction is present in RP, and in (almost?) the whole North America, in which LOT is nearly always merged with PALM in all environments (except for a negligible minority of speakers), and the outcome of that merger is often an unrounded open back-to-central vowel, which has practically no chance of merging with (the pre-lateral GOAT vowel). That said, "volt" can be pronounced with either GOAT or (more rarely) LOT in RP, whereas "bold" is pronounced only with GOAT - at least that's what the Longman Pronunciation Dictionary says. Also, I can't imagine the LOT-GOAT merger occurring in accents that don't feature a velarized  at all (e.g. traditional Tyneside (Geordie) and much of Ireland). Peter238 (talk) 03:57, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The LOT vowel doesn't occur for most English speakers before /lt/ and /ld/ in words with one morpheme. Words ended in "-old" (cold, gold, fold, sold, old, hold) and "-olt" (volt, bolt, colt, dolt) are instead pronounced with the GOAT vowel for most modern English speakers. The only place where the LOT vowel occurs before /lt/ and /ld/ for most English speakers is in words with more than one morpheme like "dolled". 2602:306:3653:8920:4DD1:65AF:320C:9D95 (talk) 04:45, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, it's true for, but the LPD shows that 13 monomorphemic words (Alt, Balt, bolt, fault, Galt, gault, halt, malt, salt, smalt, vault, volt, Walt) have as a possible (but not the first choice) RP pronunciation. Peter238 (talk) 04:56, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, no, I'd use the LOT vowel for doll and dolled and the GOAT vowel for dole, coaled and sold but I can't say I distinguish between LOT and GOAT before /lt/ and /ld/ in words with only one morpheme. Jimp 09:34, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * How do you pronounce the word "adult"? Do you pronounce it the same way as "a dolt"? Do you ever have the STRUT vowel before /l/ and another consonant in words with only one morpheme, not two morphemes like "gulls". I remember reading on some English discussion forums back in the day where some Australians stated that they didn't make a big phonetic discussion between the LOT and GOAT vowel before /l/, the two vowels sounded close in the pre lateral environment but not merged. 2602:306:3653:8920:BCA0:CC6C:4F79:3510 (talk) 16:41, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd rhyme "adult" with "colt", "cult", "volt", "bolt", "holt", "halt", "salt", "dolt", "unbolt", "revolt", "moult", "smolt", "jolt", "abvolt", "Harold Holt", etc. Jimp 10:48, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Here's something I have found that mentions a golf-gulf merger occurring in Australia http://www.academia.edu/3433266/_%C9%90lC_-_%C9%94lC_Sound_change_in_Australian_English_Preliminary_res_%C9%94_lts 2602:306:3653:8920:B493:B6E5:59E1:E317 (talk) 01:41, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Excellent find; thanks, E317! I chuckled where they mentioned a deleted Wikipedia page in the Introduction.  Can we add the cult→colt merger to the article on that basis?  Pelagic (talk) 22:07, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Reason for different vowel-sounds?
Is it true that the Australian accent is basically traditional cockney spoken into overpoweringly bright sunlight? Valetude (talk) 23:36, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

The most influential dialect in the formation of Australian English would have been the late 18th century Cockney dialect bought by many of the convicts. Most of the Irish didn't speak English as a first language, so it was the English convicts who were most influential and most of the English were from the area that is now surrounding London where Cockney was the regional accent (received pronunciation had not yet developed at that time). So yeah, if you went back in time 250 years to the area surrounding London I think you would no doubt hear many features that have lived on today on the other side of the world in Australia. Equally, with such a long period of separation, there would be many features that are not familiar as Australian English inevitably diverged in many ways. This is similar to how the cockney dialect of two centuries ago is completely different to the 'estuary english' dialects that exist in those areas of Great Britain today.--Saruman-the-white (talk) 01:58, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

adult
How do Australians typically pronounce this word? With a scwha sound for the first "a" or a short "a" for the first "a", like "add-ult"? 205.173.37.116 (talk) 17:24, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

 * either but definitely leaning schwa first a --Saruman-the-white (talk) 11:16, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

 * I'll use either – sometimes /ˈædʌlt/ (AD-olt) and sometimes /əˈdʌlt/ (uh-DOLT) – but I can't discern a pattern as to when. (? More likely to stress the first syllable for the noun and the second for the adjective, but not consistently.) Pelagic (talk) 14:45, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

 * I've listened to AuE a lot and I think that (or  - same thing) is the predominant variant, but I'm not sure. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 21:48, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

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Rounded NURSE - citation check needed
I've just reverted revision 742367463 by an anon with the IP starting with 60.240..., because he didn't say whether he checked the citations, just "seems to me to be part of the statement" in the edit summary, which would actually confirm that it's original research. So, anon, did you check the citations? Do they say that is often pronounced rounded?

I'm not sure about the word 'often'. What I've heard from Australians ranges from an ordinary RP to a vowel that you could describe as a lowered cardinal, which sometimes is indeed somewhat rounded. Then again - maybe I haven't listened to enough native speakers of AuE to judge the frequency of occurrence of these allophones.

Maybe you could check the citations, since you're so interested in Australian (and New Zealand) English? Mr KEBAB (talk) 14:13, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

 * The stated citation says "The lowered F3 for /ɜː/ may also indicate rounding as this vowel also has a fronted constriction for many SAusE speakers."--Officer781 (talk) 00:34, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

 * Thanks. Mr KEBAB (talk) 16:04, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Rhotic
The Copper Triangle area is or was rhotic but this article doesn't mention it at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DustyRedSkies (talk • contribs) 18:18, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * You can add it yourself if you're aware of a reliable source that mentions it. Mr KEBAB (talk) 18:23, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Vowel charts
I've removed vowel charts added by. They are original research and some of the vowel qualities just don't look correct to me.

Pinging in case he wants to add something. Mr KEBAB (talk) 01:33, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

On second thought, I feel that I should expand upon my original message.

The cited article has only formant charts, not acoustic auditory charts. It is WP:OR to make the latter based on the former, you need to find a source that has acoustic auditory charts and then re-make them using one of our svg templates. With that being said, I'd have nothing against making formant charts based on that source and placing them in the article. It'd be a reasonable addition - cf. Norwegian phonology.

Charts of the Broad variety look spot on to me, but there are problems with the Cultivated charts:

 * is definitely too front. Front is (or was) a Broad/General innovation and I doubt that it made its way to the Cultivated variety.
 * and maybe are somewhat too close.
 * are definitely too open.
 * is probably too central and might be too open.
 * might have too close an onset.
 * looks completely wrong to me, Cultivated speakers pronounce it or at least.

I hope this helps. Mr KEBAB (talk) 11:03, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm. If indeed the vowel charts of the broad variety are "spot on", perhaps we could find a source for it? I checked the source "An acoustic phonetic study of broad, general, and cultivated Australian English vowels" and it doesn't seem to have specifically broad charts (unless I didn't check close enough or it was the wrong source). Other than that I defer to your knowledge since I'm not well-read in this area.--Officer781 (talk) 03:36, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I've reinstated the vowel charts of the broad variety. The fact that they're based on formant values shouldn't disqualify them from being included on Wikipedia, and if nobody is questioning the accuracy of those charts (which does seem to be the case), I see no problem with including them. I don't think they violate WP:OR (yes, I changed my mind). Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 07:51, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure no problem. I haven't been in touch with Australian phonology for some time now so I consider my knowledge on it kind of rusty. Maybe some of the other regular English phonology editors could comment? You could ping them here if you want.--Officer781 (talk) 15:36, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Consistency with "International Phonetic Alphabet chart for English dialects"
The WP article International Phonetic Alphabet chart for English dialects has AuE vowels that indicate two problems: —DIV (120.17.34.107 (talk) 23:17, 17 May 2018 (UTC))
 * inconsistency with the present article;
 * lack of indication (ideally in a footnote) as to the presumption of broad/cultured or other variant of AuE — choice of which (or allowance for all) is yet another issue.
 * I've just nominated that article for deletion. It's badly written and just unnecessary. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 11:43, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

AusTalk
It would be a comprehensive and definitive research project that merited its own top-level section in an article on the phonology of a whole national language variety. In this article, the AusTalk project gets such a section, but this appears to be on the basis of press releases at the time it was funded. Five years on, following the links it's difficult to get at the corpus AusTalk gathered. The AusTalk website has gone and redirects to a linguistic corpus platform called Alveo.

To access the AusTalk corpus you have to sign up and this requires submitting a form to Alveo, then agreeing to terms and conditions that don't appear to be visible at the time of registration. It's not clear that the corpus is open content despite apparent government funding via Nectar. The page about the corpus has a link to browse it but this link is broken and just takes you back to the Alveo homepage. It's not clear to me that this project is sufficiently notable to get its own section here, or even any mention at all in view of its apparent obscurity. It is not to Australian English phonology what the OED is to English lexicography, for example. Without additional evidence to the contrary I propose to remove it.

If by some chance the researchers in possession of the corpus see this message please just put the bloody thing online in a straightforward way (even dumping the files on an FTP server like the old days would do), as it's a great shame to see the work that must have gone into it, not to mention the cost, go to waste. Beorhtwulf (talk) 05:40, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Dune palatisation
From the article - " Because of this palatalisation, dune is pronounced as /dʒʉːn/, exactly like June, and the first syllable of Tuesday /ˈtʃʉːzdæɪ/ is pronounced like choose /tʃʉːz/. /t/ and /d/ in the clusters /tɹ/ and /dɹ/ are similarly palatalised." I wouldn't say "exactly" as you'll find variation here in Australia. Me personally, I'll pronounce it like June or Choosday in fast speech, but speaking normally, it'll be dyoon and Tyoosday. I'd wager that's how it is for most Australians. Peter Greenwell (talk) 06:24, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

 * That part is unsourced, you can change it if you want. The IPA Illustration of Australian English describes it like:
 * "when /j/ occurs in alveolar stop or fricatives clusters, yod coalescence typically results... Palatalisation may vary stylistically for some speakers and may also act as a social marker (Horvath 1985)"
 * So reliable sources do mention variation anyway. Erinius (talk) 08:39, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Retroflexed GOAT vowel?
I've heard some Australians pronounce the vowel – at least in stressed, word-final position like no and so – in a way that sounds to me like there's a bit of retroflexion (curling back of the tongue tip). I've even seen this pronunciation mocked on the Internet with people claiming that some Australians say "nor" and "sor" for "no" and "so", though of course the pronunciation is nothing like the usual pronunciations of "nor" and "sore/saw". I'm not seeing anything about this in the article; has it been discussed in scholarly works? Pinging Sol505000 and Phinumu as currently active editors who have contributed to this article. —Mahāgaja · talk 09:57, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That vowel is . It ends in a lax rounded front vowel. It makes no sound like a German word neu. Since is front of central, you could also write it  - as a glide from  to . It's not really a new pronunciation as it's mentioned in Accents of English, which is over 40 years old. Sol505000 (talk) 11:23, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually this information is already in the article, and it's cited to Cox & Fletcher 2017: is shifted to among some speakers. This realisation has its roots in South Australia but is becoming more common among younger speakers across the country. I'm not sure I agree with the transcription of the offset (it sounds lax to me, exactly like the ending of German ). Sol505000 (talk) 11:27, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * So is there really no retroflexion at all? I'm definitely not the only person who hears it that way (though I know that acoustic impressions don't always correspond to articulatory reality):, , . I live in Germany, and this variety of Aussie no sounds very, very different from German neu to me. —Mahāgaja · talk 13:07, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe that's because your is unrounded at the end (Duden has recently switched to ⟨ɔɪ⟩ to reflect that common pronunciation). Listen to German politicians, at least some of them should have  no different from the Australian . Like many varieties of German, Australian English has no diphthongs ending in  (if you disregard  as a diphthong), so that's where their confusion comes from. Rounded front vowels have a lower F2 value and so they sound more back than their unrounded counterparts.  sounds closer to a rounded . No wonder you don't associate  with . This, of course, brings into question the validity of the distinction between  on the one hand and  on the other that you can find on the official IPA chart. They contrast in very, very few languages and appear in a free variation in many more (Limburgish and Dutch come to mind). You can write  as  and it'll denote a very similar pronunciation.
 * I've always heard this Australian pronunciation as a near-merger of (which starts lower and is fully rounded) with  (which starts higher and is unrounded at the end). Sol505000 (talk) 13:51, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Lindsey transcribes it [ʌɹ̈] in | his most recent video, but I haven't found anything similar elsewhere. Tyrui (talk) 23:05, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Net profit

Can't be right
"The gross margin percentage is a related ratio. This figure is calculated by dividing net profit by gross revenue, and it represents profitability as a percentage."

That can't be right. The page author(s) must mean net margin. Net margin is calculated by dividing net profit by gross revenue, and it represents profitability as a percentage. Gross margin, on the other hand, is calculated as explained at Gross margin, and it represents gross profit as a percentage.

Joaquin Miller 06:15, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Maybe they were inspired by Enron's financial staff. I agree.  I'll fix it so I can sleep at night. MeekMark 03:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I think it would be appropriate to have one section on accounting with different sub-sections for US and European and perhaps other countries' variations in terminology and practice.

The use of "turnover" in the current article is completely different from the US usage.

Tobyw 10:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Surely Net profit is ambiguous as it can also mean post-tax profit (as in fact mentioned without comment in the article itself). 93.96.236.8 (talk) 14:26, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous not-logged-in user that is clueless about wikipedia contribution processes. 5:59, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

The introductory sentence refers to the net profit as the 'top line', but this is incorrect (Revenue would be the top line). Additionally, next paragraph refers to net profit as the 'bottom line which contradicts the earlier vocabulary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:645:4000:BD72:54D8:4C52:3702:BA26 (talk) 06:00, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

The definition of the term is critical....
for any government to define whether an organization is for profit and not for profit

Needs work
I know accounting terms are always going to be eye-glazing, but this article is simply opaque. It needs a thorough re-do, most importantly on any distinction between net income, net revenue, and net profit, which needs to be very lucidly explained without recourse to hyperlinked acronyms. If there's a difference between common use and best accounting practice, note that. If there's a difference between English and British English, note that. — LlywelynII  06:41, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Pre-tax profit
Hi. I don't we can have "Pre-tax profit" pointing here without some or other definition of what it is. Redirects are suppostly (mostly) for concepts that mean the same thing - which is not the case here. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 19:02, 13 November 2013 (UTC) quite

Proposed merge with Net income
Synonym. Golopotw (talk) 13:56, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Support 2.90.210.75 (talk) 13:06, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

 * Oppose but Support the opposite net income is the more common name עם ישראל חי (talk) 14:13, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - IP user 2.90.204.132 just attempted to replace the article with a redirect to Net income. I undid this change because no consensus has been established with this discussion here, and there appears to be content in this article that isn't present on Net income and replacing with a redirect removed this content. This action obviously does not impact the discussion here; just wanted to let everyone here know about this.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   09:26, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Suppoty. Net income and Net profit are synonym and Net Income is much more common.(|Net_profit check page view comparison) In2wiki (talk) 20:47, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

title: Talk:Net profit