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Talk:Furling (Stargate)

Furling Paradise
Somehow the impression has come across that the paradise we saw in Paradise Lost didn't have any Furlings in it. However, this is directly contradicted by what Maybourne says in that particular episode: "A long time ago, some people from an advanced alien society, well they chucked it all and they formed this small, isolated Utopian community. They sent out representatives to meet and evaluate people from all over the galaxy and offer them a chance to join them. The scroll and the stone were the invitation." Note: "join THEM". I can understand the confusion since all the skeletons they found seemed to be humanoid, but I think that just suggests that the Furlings themselves were humanoid. The Nox, Alterans and the original Asgard were humanoid as well, so would have similar skeletons as well. (DrZarkov 22:08, August 17, 2005 (UTC))

The Furlings might have been humanoid, but that doesn't mean that they were physically identical to humans. The Nox are proportioned differently than humanity (Essentially, they're very sort) which alone would create differences in their internal make-up, and we have no idea what their interior looks like (For example, they might have twice as many ribs, none at all, or a smaller skull within their chest that contains a portion of their brain). The Asgard were distanced even further, when you see their ancestors (Season 6 I believe, soon after the appearance of Jonas) they were physically and obviously distinguished from humans, even though they were closer than their current form. Unless we're talking Star Trek aliens, even humanoid beings will be drastically different internally and their skeletons identifiable as non-human by anyone with even a smidgin of knowledge on human anatomy. However, I should point out that the odds are that they were in the colony as well, I'm just saying that they weren't any of the bodies that were discovered. Perhaps they decompose quickly, or something like that.

Where did that quote come from then? Because I don't remember it, and whenever that episode's on I ensure I don't miss a word. --Hexhunter 16:40, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

 * It came from "Paradise Lost" in season 6. There's a transcript of it here.. (DrZarkov 03:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC))

Furling in season one
I belive that water man that imprisoned Daniel in first season was Furling. He had technology equal to Asgard or Ancients. His race went to earth to protect people from Gou'ald. And he did'nt want to harm Daniel, even he thought he serves Gou'ald.
 * Good thought - I had forgotten about that guy. Try to find the race name or episode and add it to the sentence "Possible candidates include the Salish Spirits or the Giant Aliens from "Crystal Skull"." Morphh 12:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I looked it up in Fire and Water (Stargate SG-1) and this race is called "Oannes". Morphh 12:56, 14 July 2006 (UTC) Yes his name was Nim

Shot in the dark...
Martin's people are the Furlings (seriously). rootology 01:17, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Episode 200
I didn't want to put this on the main page 'cause I can't attribute a source to it (other than myself and anyone else who was at the SG-1 panel at Comic Con this year) but when asked if the Furlings would be showing up this season, the reply was 'wait for episode 200'. Ep 200 will be shown on August 18, 2006 so we hopefully will find out soon. :) -- Krinberry 00:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Somehow I doubt they'll be shown, it's going to be a second lowsy Wormhole X-Treme! type ep and if they do show the Furlings, it will probably be fake for Martin's movie about Wormhole X-Treme! and not for real.

Faris b 01:56, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I added a picture from the latest episode. A lot of things in the episode are fake, but as this is one of the only pictures of a Furling, even if it is a fake, it is the closest anyone has to a picture of one. It at least gives people an idea of what the creature looks like if nothing else. --Odie5533 21:55, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the pic! While I do think it belongs on the page, I don't think it is best for the main infobox.  Perhaps others will disagree but I put the technology pic back and added the WH X-treme pic toward the bottom where they describe the episode and the Ewok appearance.  Morphh 22:11, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

 * In the Ten Years of StarGate SG-1 special, Amanda Tapping refers to the Furlings portrayed in episode 200: "We've referenced, cross-referenced everyting. Old animes, the Furlings, this race that we've never ever seen that the fans keep asking about, so we show them the Furlings." I think this is a confirmation that the picture is very similar to what the Furlings actually look like. --Odie5533 23:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

 * While I agree that the picture from 200 shouldn't be in the infobox, the technology picture currently there is rather uninformative. I'm assuming it's a picture of the "guts" of a control panel from the portal on the commune planet, but that's just a guess based on the fact that this is the only episode I know of where Furling technology was seen. I can't tell the scale of the image and it's too dark to make out much in the way of detail. Perhaps does anyone have a clear screen capture of Furling writing from "Torment of Tantalus"? Bryan 00:20, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I looked over the episode and grabbed the best pictures I could of each writing system. I'm not sure which is Furling, but here are the images: http://odie5533.com/wikipedia/writing1.png http://odie5533.com/wikipedia/writing2.png http://odie5533.com/wikipedia/writing3.png http://odie5533.com/wikipedia/writing4.png . These images are uploaded to my host for educational purposes and being used under fair use as tv screenshots. Feel free to upload whichever to Wikipedia for use in the article. --Odie5533 01:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Hm. Writing1 is clearly Asgard and writing3 is clearly Ancient, I'll have to poke around a bit to see if it's known which of the remaining two is Nox and which is Furling. Bryan 06:46, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Heh. Just saw that this very article mentions these two writing systems haven't been positively linked with their respective races yet. Oh well. The Ancient writing is somewhat different from the "standard" form that's developed since first season, I might be able to incorporate that into the language and writing system section on their article. The Asgard don't have a writing example at all in their article, I can definitely use writing1 there. Bryan 06:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Furlong
I removed the Furlong stuff as it's quite a reach from FURLING. Furling is a sailing term. If you have a theory, post it in the discussion, not the main article.

Translation Issues
Okay everyone is saying that they won't make the furlings cute and fluffy like their name suggests.

I have another theory. They will just say that Daniel misstranslated their name way back in season 2 and never got around to checking the translation (the castle was sinking into the waves and they were trying to escape after all) untill of course the first five minutes of the episode.

This eliminates all of the problems assosiated with the whole Ewok sterio type and lets the writers stop worrying about WHAT THE HECK DOES A FIRLING LOOK LIKE???

I would also like to point out that they will probably be huminoid because CG is expensive and they may not want to do another puppet race.

162.83.79.112 03:27, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

The Furlings have been mentioned by other races, including those that met them, so it can't be a mistranslation. Sorry. Also, I really doubt that the writers will go cute and fuzzy just because of their names. JBK405 03:36, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

also, just because the word Furling sounds cute and fuzzy in the english language, doesnt mean that it sounds/means cute and fuzzy in Furling language. Take for example the japanese word for apple 'ringo' to an english speaker, the word ringo would probably make most people think of a ring or circle, yet the word has nothing to do with a ring. --Zoobz19 (talk) 18:08, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Further Integration Into Season 10
What I would like to see, is the re-emergance of the true Furlings in season ten for reals. I can imagine the final episode, where the Ori are finally defeated (or even, ironically the last SG-1 episode made-ever) and out of nowhere, the Furlings come out and kick their asses! Dark Observer 20:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Sorry, show's over and no Furlings in sight!
 * Em27 02:31, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Dammit! Dark Observer 02:25, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

 * New show coming, though. :) Bryan Derksen 02:38, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

 * The show has said that the Furlings gave up technology. Harry Maybourne said: "A long time ago, some people from an advanced alien society, well they chucked it all and they formed this small, isolated Utopian community." But then again, it wouldnt be the first time that the writers have contradicted themselves. They could say that it was just like a 'hippie' phase or something and then went back to advanced technology. --Zoobz19 (talk) 18:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Well, no Furlings and now no new show in sight... thing about the hippie phase is that they remained on a moon and not moved to another galaxy like the Alterans or the Asgards did. But who knows... we might see them in Atlantis. Or a new show... whenever that might be.
 * Em27 (talk) 21:22, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Crystal Skull
I'm sorry, but I just have to say that it better be the Toltec-Mayan aliens from Cyrstal Skull. For ten years now the writers have explored gods from both western and eastern civilizations, but not those of south or central america. They've even explored native North American gods. For this reason, and because, really, WTF, Daniel Jackson's grandfather leaves to join them and says he'll come back with help to fight the Goauld? But he doesn't, and the writers just plain forget about him for seven years. That is incredibly irritating. Gosh, and this whole thing about them being "out of phase" and the fact that that is now being used as humanity's only hope in protecting people from the Ori? Please! 69.210.105.187 16:41, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's been implied that gods from all around the world were actually Goa'uld. Quetzalcoatl (South America), Baiame (Australia) etc. were presumably also Goa'uld. --Irrevenant [ talk ] 10:41, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Ori
I think its just hallarius that no one has even thought to say the Furling are the Ori. Cooper's statment could very well be right, and thus, the reason why season ten showed no signs of Furling could only mean it will be discussed in the upcoming tv movie, which is suposed to discuss the Ori's Orgin.--68.192.188.142 00:54, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Last member of the old alliance?
"Since Thor proclaimed the Tau'ri "The Fifth Race", this may have opened up the possibility of showing the mysterious Furlings and future new alliance forged between the last living member of the old alliance and the Fifth Race." - What? The Nox aren't dead yet. Richard Jackson (talk) 22:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

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Language
(though only the Ancient and Asgard writings have been positively linked with their civilizations)

Isn't the Furling language identified by Jonas Quinn in 'Paradise Lost' (Season 6, Episode 15)?

He was motioning towards the large wall covering that had curvy letters similar to the second language that was lighted up in 'The Torment of Tantalus'. And also he also translates a portion of the combination lock when they first get to the planet.

Konryou (talk) 01:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

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Gheorghe Papuc

Gheorghe Papuc (born 6 May 1954) is a Moldovan politician.

Biography
He was born in early May in the city of Ungheni, an area west of Chișinău in the Moldovan SSR. After graduating from the high school in 1971, he enrolled in the Soviet Armed Forces. In 1978, he graduated from the Felix Dzherzhinsky Military High School in Saratov. After studying there, he began to enroll in a Russian law school. Papuc began to become more active in the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Soviet Union. In 1991, he graduated from the Tashkent MVD High School (now the Academy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Uzbekistan). Between 1992 and 1997, Papuc held leading positions in the MAI of Moldova and the MVD in the Russian Federation, leading several detached units in the Kabardino-Balkaria. He returned to Moldova in 1997 to lead a special operations brigade in the armed forces. He became the Moldovan Minister of the Interior on 27 February 2002, and would serve in this position until 31 March 2008 and serve a second time from 27 October 2008 - 25 September 2009.

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Bart133 (t) 01:17, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Milepost / Bridgelogs
hey!

Just a small note; if you're wondeing wher the milepost information can be found: Caltrans bridgelogs!

there y'go

atanamir 11:52, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Interested in an L.A.-area Wiki meetup?
It appears as though L.A. has never had a Wiki meetup. Would you be interested in attending such an event? If so, checkout User:Eric Shalov/Wikimeetup.

- Eric 21:05, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

shields for wa/sr
I will do them this weekend if i find the time

atanamir 09:47, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Re: AZ/SR
Hi,

Yeah, i didn't sort it myself though -- i guess someone else saw it and sorted it for me.

atanamir 20:04, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

PS - sorry, i hanve't found the time to make the shields yet.

SoCal WikiProject
As a Southern Californian, you might be interested in the fairly new Southern California WikiProject (there is also the new statewide California WikiProject. Please take a look at the project and see if there is anything that you find interesting. Please contact me if you have any questions or comments. Blank Verse  ∅  15:12, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

List of California County Routes
Hey, can I get a little backup. Some guy keeps moving List of California County Routes to list of California county routes. He's under the mistaken impression that titles of articles aren't supposed to be capitalized. I'm trying to get this article to match List of California State Routes. Thanks Gateman1997 02:54, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Could I get some back up on Talk:List of California County Routes. Thanks man.Gateman1997 03:58, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Looks like he got cute and renamed List of California State Routes now too.Gateman1997 17:31, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I say we put in an official request to move and cite both the proper noun aspect and the numerous examples including Main Page and Manual of Style that violated their supposed rule. They have no basis to stand on. I took 18 years of English courses and titles of articles, books, etc.. are to be capitalized.Gateman1997 17:39, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh believe me I know. I've had issues with captalization on this site since I joined. I'm willing to accept that section titles don't get capitalized, but per half of Wikipedia's own "official" pages and proper English, titles of articles are to be capitalized. I'm putting the tag on California State Routes now. Please feel free to weigh in on the talk page ;)Gateman1997 17:48, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Can you take the Washington WikiProj, I'll hit the CA one and the AZ one.Gateman1997 17:53, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll see about fixing that if I can find it.Gateman1997 18:10, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It looks like we've had issues with the original editor before both Interstate 580 and List of three-digit Interstate Highways were incorrectly modified and moved by him.Gateman1997 20:59, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

 * True enough if and when they decide to label the nevade route as 395. It hasn't even been officially designated as such yet per my understanding of it. But regardless I was looking at that particular user's history and there is quite the history of controversial article renamings. Gateman1997 22:47, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah I saw that talk page too. It's a mess. Most of the edits on it were later reverted. We're the first ones he's fought with. We're tied on County, ahead on State. Gateman1997 23:35, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

 * We need to get the rest of the big time posters involved. But frankly I'm not worried, they haven't yet gotten enough for "consensus".Gateman1997 17:23, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

 * You're doing a better job of defending this then I am. Well done.Gateman1997 17:53, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

 * No but I think we can close it ourselves as it's been 5 days and there is no consenus on the County Routes (which is default keep). And the state routes we won so feel free to be WP:BOLD and move it back.Gateman1997 17:18, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah they seem to have lost interest in bothering with it. CCR was also removed from the pages for move page by someone. I've removed CSR from that page as well now.Gateman1997 17:26, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh and for future reference we can use New Zealand State Highway network as a prime example of the point we were making.Gateman1997 17:29, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, for that one, it truely is a proper noun, but should be renamed to be all caps (i.e. New Zealand State Highway Network). Blank Verse  ∅  06:14, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Explain to me that one? How is New Zealand State Highway any more of a proper noun then California State Route? You use double standards and have now been caught at it.
 * Reread what I wrote. "New Zealand State Highway Network " is a proper noun, which is the reason that I said that ALL words in the title should be capitalized. If the title had been "New Zealand state highway" instead, the state highway in that title is not a proper noun and should not be capitalized. In the same manner, "interstate highway" is not a proper noun, but "Interstate Highway System" is a proper noun. Caltrans is a proper noun, but "state route" is not a proper noun. Blank Verse  ∅  08:10, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

California State Highway Stub
Also Rschen, he's removed your stub tag from Interstate 710. Gateman1997 06:51, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Because it is no longer a stub. The stub templates are only for use on short articles—less than 10 sentences usually. Once they are large than that, they may still need work, but they are no longer stubs and they should have the stub templates removed from them. Blank Verse  ∅  08:10, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Per WikiProject California State Highways, a stub is used to note the articles that need routeboxes, etc. Okay, sure, we could have used the cleanupcsh template instead. What template? Oh yeah, the template that you guys tried to delete a month ago! Now I remember!--Rschen7754 17:43, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * (Sorry... my stupid browser won't let me type into long pages, so thats why I didn't leave BlankVerse a note on their talk page.
 * If you will reread WikiProject California State Highways, the page says absolutely nothing about when the CSH stub template should be used. Instead, you should use the info at Stub for your guidance, which says that a stub is usually 3-10 sentences. The stub templates are only supposed to be placed on very short articles and once they gets beyond that the stub page suggests using cleanup, although I suggest that a much getter way to go is to add the todo template to the article's Talk page where you can lists exactly what needs to be added or changed on the articles /Todo subpage. Blank Verse  ∅  22:37, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, fine, then I'll use the cleanupcsh, but I don't have the time to go through every single highways page and change that. Sorry. --Rschen7754
 * Please take a look at Talk:Interstate 710 to see how I've used the todo template. The big problem that I see with cleanup is that only in a very small number of the cases where it is added to a page is it obvious what needs to be done to improve the page. This also means that editors then have no benchmark on when the cleanup template can be removed. I'd rather not see the template used at all. I think that it is much, much better to add some explanation on an article's Talk page (either using the Todo template, or in a new section) saying exactly where the article needs improvement and what changes need to be made. Blank Verse  ∅  22:10, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The reason I just slap stubs on articles is because I just go through the articles (CA-1, CA-2, etc.) and just put the stub template and the WP template on... I really don't have the time for the todo work. (It involves a subpage besides an additional template.) I don't mind the todo thing but it just takes time. By the way the routebox template is routeboxca2. Please use that not the southern ca routebox. Instructions are on the CASR WP page. --Rschen7754 03:25, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

Washington State Routes Project
Could you please increase the spacing around the WSR Box, it is encroaching on text in the articles, and over lapping the Interstate Boxes on Interstate 405 (Washington) TEG 18:56, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Rpute Shields
SR-970 and 971 Shields Are finished and uploaded. Thanks for letting me know. TEG 05:08, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

State Law
Washington RCW Code for State Highway Route

Stub names
Hi - I've moved the new templates you created to more correct stub names UShighway-stub and Interstate-stub. The stub template names you created aren't in line with the stub naming guidelines, as was pointed out a couple of times during debate on the new stubs you were planning at WP:WSS/P. Grutness...  wha?  01:22, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

VfD
Hey, there is another move afoot to start VfD'ing all State Routes and Highways at Votes_for_deletion/Florida_State_Road_300. Since you've worked on several WikiProjects related to State Roads and Highways, figured you want to vote. Roby Wayne Talk •  Hist 18:20, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikiproject: US Highway
I have posted some concerns about this project on its talk page. I think odd numbered highways should be listed north-south as opposed to south-north (this seems to be already the case on most of these highways and seems to be the convention outside Wikipedia). I think the Infoboxes may be including too much information. Rt66lt 14:22, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi, I must agree with Rt66 on this. I was looking at the 101 page after the latest changes and it's just too long. The new infobox has way too much info to be useful. I actually preferred the simplistic infobox it replaced that had the quick basic info on the highway and the two route shields. The current infobox only has the Oregon/Washington shield and is totally missing it's CA shield now. I'm going to revert it until we decide we want to make changes to or modify the larger routebox so the US highways have consistency.Gateman1997 07:50, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

California 7
Just the part from CA-98 to the border exists so far. Don't really know if they're going to finish building up to I-8.

Titan Rain article
If you'd like, I could send you a copy of the Titan Rain TIME magazine article as a PDF. Use the "E-mail this user" function on me if you're interested. I took a look at it and it looks legit to me. --Fastfission 19:37, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Please clean up after page moves
As stated on the 'Move page' screen in bold type, if you choose to move a page it is your responsibility to make sure to fix any broken/double redirects the move causes. When you moved Interstate 295 (Rhode Island/Massachusetts) to Interstate 295 (Rhode Island-Massachusetts) several days ago, you left more than 80 broken links. I may try to fix a few for you, but I'd rather follow my agenda than be forced into yours. In the future, if you don't feel like cleaning up the links, please don't move the page--put the suggestion on the Talk page or requested moves. Thanks. Waterguy 16:25, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 * That's cool. I thot it might have just been an oversight, but I figured if you just didn't know about it, and I didn't say anything you might never know. There's so much to keep track of here, and there's far too much documentation to absorb all at once. Happy editing. Waterguy 00:56, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

US 101
That's fine. I already reverted it temporarily. I hate to remove hard work, but it was just ridiculously long. That's why I think we agreed on only major interesections. It just gets out of control if we don't. Besides I doubt anyone but a road geek like you or I would care where US 101 interescts CA-whatever.Gateman1997 23:54, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah sure, no problem. If you do can you add the CA US shield like the current box has. I think it's important to highlight the fact that California shields are both equal to the 49 other state's shields on the few US routes that come through CA. Gateman1997 00:03, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Stubs
How about no. You apparent have no idea what the "stub" markers are for, based upon you marking of particaly Interstate highway article as a stub. Let me explain it to you, according to WP:Stub Stubs are articles which have not yet received substantial attention from the Wikipedia editors. They have been created, but don't yet contain enough information to be truthfully considered articles. The community believes that stubs are far from worthless. They are, rather, the first step articles take on their course to becoming complete.

A stub is an article which is clearly too short, but not so short as to be useless. In general, it must be long enough to at least define the article's title. This generally means 3 to 10 short sentences. Note that a longer article may be a stub if the topic is complex enough; conversely, a short article on a topic which has a very narrow scope may not be a stub.

Another way to define a stub is that an article so incomplete that an editor who knows little or nothing about the topic could improve its content after a superficial internet search or a few minutes in a reference library is quite probably a stub. One that can only be improved by a rather knowledgeable editor, or after significant research, may not be a stub.

Sizable articles which lack wikification or copy editing are generally not considered stubs, and the normal procedure is for one of the cleanup tags to be added to them, instead. Note that small articles with little information may end up being nominated for deletion. Wikipedia is not a dictionary, but has a sister project—the Wiktionary—which is. If your article is very short consider either moving it to the Wiktionary or, even better, adding more information to it.

Once a stub has been properly expanded and becomes an article rather than just a stub, you or any editor may remove the stub tag from it. No admin action or formal permission is needed. you also might want to look at WikiProject Stub sorting as well. Stubs are nor for to-do list nor are they for article taging for article at are not in the "guidlines" of a project. Thats that project tags are for and project to-do list are for. Ans apparently based upon you action s, you "project" need a to do list, and not to mis lable articles stubs that are not stubs. So if i come across an article in which is not a stub but has the stub marker on it i am going to remove it. Also you might want to check to make sure what you say about how many artciles that i have de tagged, 3 does not equal 200. --Boothy443 | comhrá 02:57, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Being that you still do not understand what a stub is, being you own ingnorance or soome other probley problem that you have with the undeerstanding of the english language or policy. The projoect guidlines do not superceed wikipedia policy. Now if you refer to the stated above and to the pages cited above and read them, which apparenty you havrnt, you will see that stub is about article content, and not standards of the form of the article which is a cleanup task Aslo not fo to-do list. As for your tagging abilities, you seemed to have found the time to mis-tag articles as a stub, so i dont see the reson why yu cant fix your mitake. Like i said before if i come across article that i see as a stub based on the policy and guildiles of stub in wikipeda that have been used then i will remove the tag, their will be no waiver in my actions.

1-15
Yes, it does cross as a junction now to the I-5. Drdr1989 03:57, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Category:Massachusetts State Route stubs Cfd
Hi, stubs are handled by WP:SFD (stubs for deletion). However, since you are the creator of the category, you can just add db to it and request speedy deletion. Then you can null edit the one article to have it appear in the new category. I have closed the Cfd listing and suggest you list it on WP:SFD or just make the changes yourself, seeings you are the only contributor and there is only 1 article. If you have any questions, feel free to ask, I may take some time to respond as I have limited net access. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 22:06, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi - I've just speedied the misnamed stub category. Of course, this all begs the question of why you didn't go through proper procedure and propose the new stub template and category at WP:WSS/P, where these things are supposed to be discussed prior to creation. Both the category and - especially - the template have some problems with how they're constructed, too. I've added this one to the "discoveries" page at WP:WSS/D. Feel free to leave any comments about it there. Grutness...  wha?  02:36, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Opps - sorry - must've forgotten that one. Still there are problems with it (particularly the way the category links to other categories, and also the name of the template, though the naming of State Highway stub templates in general is a bit weird). Grutness...  wha?  02:48, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for reverting my user page. It was much appreciated! — Knowledge Seeker দ 04:24, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Jaxl's RfA
Thank you for your support vote on my RfA!  Rob e  rt  16:12, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

WV Highways
There are several West Virginian's working on this entry. We created a template to make it easy to navigate. Our template is based on the US Highway and Intestate templates. It has been vandalised, along with the individual highway entries. Could you please help keep people from messing with it until we get it finished. Thank You. --71Demon 04:10, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Stop putting in the TFD notice
We are working on finishing the link. We are residents of West Virginia and have been working on it when we get the chance. It makes it difficult to finish when we have do deal with people that just seek these things out and add their $0.02 and they have nothing in our state. --71Demon 04:13, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Rschen7754, your accusing me of vandalism, when somebody deleted hours of work without any discussion? As common courtesy, if I see someone working on an entry in depth.  Then I will not mess with it.  I may suggest something, but I will leave it to them to deside.  Like California Highway is in bad need of a template, but I see you are working on it, so I will not do it.  I would suggest you do it to make it easy to navigate.  I have other entries I want to work on.  I have a full time job, and can't spend the time I would like on Wikipedia, but I do what I can.  I have been wasting time on saving something that is common sense, and not being able to work on othe projects.  --71Demon 04:25, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

I have asked for page protection so that the TFD template will stay in place. Adding a TFD notice is NOT vandalism; rather, removing it is. --Rschen7754 04:27, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't be so rough, his user contributions prove he's a good editor, not an outright vandal. It's quite stressful to have something nominated for deletion, so cut him some slack, ok? Tito xd 04:48, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

California Highways
My intent is to bring it up for deletion in favor of a template. Since templates are easier to read, than listed. List are ackward. Templates are compact, and show more data on a smaller space on the screen. I figure our oppinions are equal, so I should express mine. What is the proper format for me to express my opinion? --71Demon 04:49, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I created the page. I had to hit enter 4 times before it would go for some reason.  I voted to Keep, but mearly explained the easy way to keep the infor and conform to the Wiki.  Well you can read it.--71Demon 05:11, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Rschen7754, now I voiced my opinion on the CA Hwy page, and through discussion intiated by my afd. You are improving the entry. Which is the ultimate goal of all of us that actually care about Wiki. Now since we are small state with only 100 state highways. Do you see why a template works well for us? Now you can see I did have an honest opinion about the CA page. I would like your support on keeping the template for WV. It works for our state. Thanks. 71Demon --71Demon 06:23, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

WV template
Yeah, sorry about that. It has been fixed. --SPUI (talk) 06:50, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Interstate System
If you want to be helpful, help me find orginal References on Interstate Highway that we vandalized. --71Demon 22:37, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I miss read it, it is ok. Long day. I wish my list for things on Wiki to work on was that short.--71Demon 23:42, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

User:71Demon
Per my personal editing philosophy, I have removed the following personal attack by User:71Demon from my talk page, and left an admonishment for the attack on his talk page. Blank Verse  07:12, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * No personal attack was made, this statement was a fabrication and Slander and libel. I false claim by User talk:BlankVerse --71Demon 23:00, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I never used the term Nazi, I used the term Wikinazi. In the context used is merely means an over zealous editor.  One taking editing to the extreme without regard for others efforts, putting himself before other editors without cause. Being you attempted to dismantle the work of West Virginia editors on entries dealing with West Virginia, when you yourself are from California, and not out of high school yet.  It is my opinion that you fit this definition.  I believe that you should have made some attempt to contact the editors that had been working hard on those entries, prior to dismantling them.   How many classes in West Virginia History do they teach prior to 10th grade in the California school system?  I believe you are for the most part a good editor, but you do lack knowledge on certin things.  I would not attempt to edit medical entries, because I'm not a doctor.  I do understand your enthusiasm, but all I ask is that you temper it with some restraint.  We could work better together than apart.  I have thrown out several olive branches, please accept one. If I'm wrong and you have had classes in West Virginia History, then by all means I will apologize.  --71Demon 23:16, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Since 71Demon has archived my reply on his talk page, here is my response to his post. As for his claim that there is some difference between Nazi and Wikinazi, I suggest that 71Demon ask a dozen experienced Wikipedia editors their opinion on the issue and especially on the context that it was used (randomly select people from the List of administrators for example), and he will find that all, or almost all, will say that there are only niggling differences between the two terms and that both are considered highly derogatory. As for his claim of libel, he should read the article he linked to, especially the mention of "Fair Comment" and truth as a defense. As for his threat of legal action here, he should consider No legal threats. It was prudent that he removed it.

If you truly feel that the "Issue has been resolved" between the two of you, you should go ahead and archive this discussion and I will do the same on my talk page. Blank Verse  ∅ 05:49, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Template:VA_Highways
I was wondering about the status of this — the two templates (the WV one) are starting to cause hassle. If the WV is kept, should the VA one be renominated? -Splash talk 23:04, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

great job
Hey Rschen,

wow, it's been a long time since CA/SR wp was in its infancy. Remember when we first started to tinker around with the routeboxes? haha! Just wanted to commend you on how the wp and the overall quality of articles. They're a lot better than when i was wokring on them! Great job for staying so dedicated to wiki! ^_^. I hope all is going well with you.

atanamir 11:25, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Creating dead links.
Please when you move a highway from its WVxx, MDxx, VAxx, etc location, please put in redirects so you don't create dead links. Thanks --71Demon 22:36, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Good add Maryland-State-Highway-Stub to the MD 135 Entry. Thank You, keep up the good work. --71Demon 23:39, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

WV Editors
Several of us discussed it. We thought it was a good idea. --71Demon 01:38, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * We discussed that, but don't see the need for a Highway specific stub. We believe the road stub will work well for us and be more versital. Thank you for your thoughts.  --71Demon 02:00, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep one thing in mind when ever you do anything. KISS Keep It Simple, Stupid The simpler solution is usually the better one. That works in a lot of aspects of life.  --71Demon 02:20, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

NH Highways
The NH highway stub looks good. There isn't a WikiProject for NH roads, but maybe we should create one. I am not sure how we would go about that. I know DanMS has contributed to a lot of the NH highway pages. Let me know if you are interested, possibly you could provide some guidance on creating a WikiProject. Assawyer 18:42, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Archived
The discussions on my talk page are now archived, but are clearly marked if they are ever needed. I don't do a separate archive page. I just delete stuff and then record the diff in the Archive section on my talk page. BTW: You're welcome. Blank Verse  ∅ 08:19, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Texas Highways
No. I haven't started a WikiProject. I seem to be the only one working on Texas Highways at the moment. If anyone expresses an interest in it, I can look into setting one up. Bellhalla 15:38, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Jimbo Wales to Attend San Diego Meetup on October 18 2005
Hello, Jimbo Wales will be in San Diego to attend OOPSLA and has agreed to come by and visit with the San Diego wikipedians. If you are interested, you will find more info on my talk page. Johntex\talk 00:54, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Routeboxint
Please only put comments in other users' talk pages if they actually apply to them... it becomes an issue of confusion and irritation otherwise. Thanks!

California County Route stub
Looks like they're trying to delete this now too. I noticed you stated it should be singular, but it already is, it's the category that is plural which is correct as there are more then one in a category.Gateman1997 02:15, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Thanks, Rschen7754, for your support of my RfA! You've always been supportive of my activities around here. I promise to do a good job using the keys to the janitor's closet. >: Roby Wayne Talk • Hist • E@ 01:53, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for stubs!
Thanks for adding the Mass state route stub to my Mass state route articles... I see though that people want to delete it? I also see you've added a stub for NH state routes as well.

As you've probably guessed, I'm a road geek and license plate collector living in Massachusetts.

Tckma 06:42, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

NH Highways
Copying California's project would be fine with me. I am happy to help out in any way for the Wikiproject. I have included some links you and others may find helpful. The following link is for NH RSA's Title XX: Transportation, which describes the highway system in the state. NH RSA 229:5 sets out the classification of the highways in the state.

Thanks for setting up the project. I have started putting up images of the route signs and hopefully will get them all. I am doing them by a naming convention of NHrouteXX.png. Assawyer 17:48, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Titoxd's RfA
Thank you for supporting me in my RfA. I never thought I would get so much support! Thanks to your help, my nomination was the 10th most supported RfA in Wikipedia history. Now, please keep an eye out on me while I learn the new tools, ok? Thanks again! Tito xd (?!?) 18:16, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Quick Reference Page

 * Go ahead and copy whatever you like off my user pages; if it can be any help to others I'm willing to share :) Scott5114 21:06, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: Bots
If there's an existing script in the framework to do what you want, it isn't that hard to set up. The meta page explains the setup process pretty well; setting up is basically downloading all the files, setting a few options and then figuring out what scripts do what you want. One problem is that the rest of the documentation isn't necessarily complete, and often has a few errors (generally minor) in it. If you want the bot to do something more complicated, or run on a fixed schedule, that'll likely require abit of programming. What is it that you want your bot to do? --Mairi 05:30, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Adding templates ought to be doable, but I don't know if there's a script that does that. There are atleast two scripts for adding categories (makecat.py and category.py), and one for resolving disambiguation links (solve_disambiguation.py). --Mairi 04:48, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Missouri WikiProject
Thanks for offering to help! I started going through and putting the template on the talk pages for the highways and hadn't put the stubs on because I could do the one quicker with "paste". If you can populate the stub category, I would appreciate it. I did get some stubs on, but not many. Thanks!Rt66lt 23:57, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I also added the MO 366 image to the stub, the original is gone. Rt66lt 23:59, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Ypur welcome
Your welcome. Job e  6   05:11, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Missouri stubs
I would call a stub anything that doesn't have information beyond endpoints and a list of towns on the highway. Missouri State Highway 13 has enough information to not be a stub, but Missouri State Highway 1 is definately a stub. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, I was out of town for a few days. Thanks.Rt66lt 22:04, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

I did a handful of stubs, but not all of them. Thanks. Rt66lt 22:29, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Stubs and templates
Hi again, you said I could contact you here, so I hope I came to the right place....Just wondering if you saw the alternate stub I created (the {Massachusetts-road-stub} one). It's the same thing as the current one, except I added the MA highway shield to it. I'm not sure who to talk to about what's "official" or not, or what will end up being the final product, but from what I've gathered, you're one of the most informed wikipedians on the road/highway subject. So I guess if they want an "entry" for MA highway stubs, that will be my contribution. If not, and it gets deleted, I certainly understand.

Also, FYI, there are a few other states I created templates for (besides NY). Massachusetts (obviously, being my home state), Vermont, Florida and Hawaii. I think Vermont and Hawaii will be fine because they're not too big (they do have majority red links which I'm hoping will turn blue when people see them and decide to create articles for the highways). Massachusetts will probably be borderline. I'm going to work with the row sizes and try to get it as space efficient as possible. Florida I'm sure will be too big, so I won't link it to anything. Maybe just keep it in its own place for as a reference point for those who wish to "check off" the unwritten links. It doesn't really matter, if somebody wants to use them, go ahead. The only one that's important to me is MA for obvious reasons. Ok I think I wrote enough! Sorry you had to read a novel! Thanks again for keeping me informed and if there's anything I can do to help, please let me know. ---Jeff (wikicali00)

Thanks
Thanks again for getting back to me, I'll just leave it up to what's decided. I agree, the Florida template is way too big. It takes up more than a page...

FSH
FYI, I proposed the Florida State Highway template for deletion. I would normally just delete it since I created it, but wanted to see if anybody wanted to do something with it (although unlikely). wikicali

Belated thanks...
... for supporting my RFA, which I thought was particularly gracious given my merciless campaign to delete (or mostly just rename) your assorted road-stubs. Aside from the way-too-small ones most of these are actually sensible and useful, I'm just troubled by the issues to do with naming and scope (as already rehearsed on the various stub project pages). Sorry about your wiki-stress: hope it isn't too related to my merciless campaign to delete -- etc, etc.  Alai 05:43, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Left Behind series
I agree that all of these books do deserve articles, but leaving sub-stubs with no real content simply annoys readers looking for information. If you ever want to expand them, it is fairly easy to revert to the pre-redirect version. - SimonP 22:49, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Highway Caps
Is there a new smaller debate going on? Gateman1997 19:45, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

California State Law text
Hi, it's that guy who's trying to mess up all the Cal state highway articles. I am in the midst of trying something out I hope you will like. I have taken all of the text of the Cal state Highway law and put it into wikisource, with headings so that it can be addressed individually by highway, like so
 * California State Route 3.

I've only done up through Route 140 so far, but the rest won't take long-- tomorrow should be no problem. Let me know what you think when you get a chance.

Cheers! -- Mwanner | Talk 02:27, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, Route 1 looks fine to me. I'll go add this link after I finish this message.
 * PS. The same sort of thing could be done with the other codes (expressway designations, etc.) but I might ask for your help putting it together, if you're interested.
 * One more thing-- I'm a complete novice over at wikisource, so for all I know they might boot the article out for violating some standard they've got that I don't know about-- this isn't a sure thing yet. But it seemed worth a try.  -- Mwanner | Talk 02:36, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

 * You wrote "We don't have to have the state law section now... as long as we change the routebox template link." --Yes, I see that you can do it that way.  The advantage to the wikisource approach is that you can take the user straight to the paragraph of the law that you want them to see, using the section label. -- Mwanner | Talk 03:17, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

OK, I finished the three law articles at Wikisource. They are
 * California Streets and Highways Code, Chapter 2, Article 3, Section 301-635
 * California Streets and Highways Code, Section 260-284
 * California Streets and Highways Code Section 250-257

Each one consists of the corresponding code, reformated, with headings for each separately designated route. I'll work further on how best to use them-- I tried integrating them with a modified copy of your template. It is on the Route 2 article now, but it may need work.

Later, Mwanner | Talk 18:11, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

And I wrote two new templates, modelled on yours: They take "route" as an argument as well as "sec", and use it to link to the Wikisource law section. I tried them out at California State Route 2.
 * CAFESAlt
 * CAScenicAlt

My thinking is that we would use your templates on the roads that are defined in 253.1 and 263.1 ("in their entirety", i.e., they don't have their own section), and the "Alt" templates for the rest.

I hope you like this approach. I won't do any more until you've had a chance to play with it. Let me know if you've got issues...

TIA, -- Mwanner | Talk 20:06, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

You wrote: "Well it looks good now but I havent had the time to fully examine it. I'm interested in putting the whole hwy code on Wikisource... but anyway... it might just be easier to have your template and trash the one I created"
 * The whole hwy code (or at least all of it that I'm aware of) is on wikisource, as above. And I think we need your original template for the roads that are included in their entirety.  I'm going to start doing a few more this way-- let me know if you see a problem. -- Mwanner | Talk 21:43, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Progress...
OK, I think things are coming along. I tinkered with the templates some more, and went back and tried to make sure that earlier articles worked well with them. I've changed the articles up to CA route 9 (skipping 8).

There is one thing I'm puzzled over-- when we use these templates on Interstate and US routes, the Image:CA-blank.png looks out of place. We could either have two more sets of templates to deal with the problem, or we could pass the Image name to the template as an argument. I guess I lean towards the former approach. Any concerns? -- Mwanner | Talk 01:32, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Templates
The difference is that mine (the Alt versions) go to the Route section in the wikisource doc, while yours go to the #Section_253.1 or #Section_263.1. The idea is that we can use the Alt versions for cases where the route has a specific part of the law that applies to it, like CAFES for Routes 1, 2, 3, 4, 12, 13, 16, etc.

Your templates can be used for Routes that are included in their entirety, like 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 14, etc. where there is no specific Route section of the law, just the big list at Section 253.1 (for CAFES) and Section 263.1 (for CAScenic). Actually, I guess we could hard code the section, rather than pass it as an argument, since it's always the same, no?

And yes, I agree, it probably makes more sense to pass the image name for the shields. -- Mwanner | Talk 03:07, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

One set of templates

 * The problem with just having one set of templates is that the "Alt" versions tack the route parameter on to the end of the wikisource call, which takes it to the paragraph for that route:

Freeway and Expressway System

 * But routes 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, etc., don't have their own paragraph in the wikisource law articles-- if you use the Alt templates with those highways, it just takes you to the start of the wikisource doc.
 * The original version uses "sec" instead of "route", which does exist for these routes:

Freeway and Expressway System

 * Here's the difference:

CAFES CAFESAlt

 * They look exactly the same, but check the link: the first one takes you to section 253.1, which lists all of the routes included "in their entirety." The second one (the Alt version) tries to take you to the section for Route 7, which doesn't exist, so it goes to the top of the article, instead.  I imagine there might be some way to make one template handle both cases, but I certainly don't know enough about template programming to do it.

BTW, I added the shield parameter to all four templates, and it works fine. -- Mwanner | Talk 21:52, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

California_State_Route_15
Since California_State_Route_15 no longer exists, shouldn't the legal definition section be deleted? TIA, -- Mwanner | Talk 21:10, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

US 6 (templates)
It's all good...Whatever you think would work best is fine with me. Having multiple templates does make the articles huge (I did notice that on I-95 come to think of it). -- Wikicali00

Capitalisation, copied from Gateman's talk page
This debate has been moved to /Highway Capitalization. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:08, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Section Numbers
Oops! Sorry about that. Well, I was thinking it would be good to revisit all for a double check-- this will make something else to do along the way. Thanks for letting me know. -- Mwanner | Talk 00:33, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

 * About adding to the Alt templates, I think it's fine (and easy enough to reverse if need be) but I have to look at it, and I'm packing it in now for the day... more tomorrow. -- Mwanner | Talk 03:31, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

shield icon size?
Do you feel the shield icons on the new state law templates are too large? I feel we could make them a bit smaller....

atanamir 06:01, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

do you have a photograph of the scenic highway one naywher? If you do, i can whip a better looking one up in illustrator for you. I also tried searching for FHS sgins but i don't think olne of those exists for CA. I've noticed some Historic Route signs on the routes sometimes... do you think we should integrate those in as well, since we're going scenic routes and FHS routes? Seems fitting...

Man the CA/SR project is so different now. too many people =P

atanamir 06:07, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

capitalisation
Hey.. hm, i'm one of the people who think it should be all caps (the way i learned for titling things), but after that entire debate about california state highway 17 vs. california state route 17, i realised that there's no way to make everyone happy about that sort of minutia.. so i generally just stay away from the debates and let them pass. California state route or California State Route? Either way won't matter if the content of the article isn't well written, right? So let's focus on that instead, i say =)

atanamir 16:22, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

California State Route 86S
What do you know for sure about California State Route 86S? We have an article that claims it exists, but the state law doesn't mention it at all. -- Mwanner | Talk 00:06, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

^^ atanamir 18:49, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

California State Routes
Well, I think I'm done! Thanks for catching and helping to clean up my errors. It's been good working with you. Good luck with the roads! -- Mwanner | Talk 20:20, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Jesus
Check out the Jesus article and edit it to keep it focused on Jesus and a biographical account of Him. Watch the Jesus page to keep it focused on Him. Thank you. Scifiintel 22:19, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

My failed RFA and do you want one
Dear Rschen7754, I would like to thank you for supporting me on my RfA. Even though it failed with a with the final tally of 55/22/6, I want to thank you anyways. I don't want to be one a admin anymore until I reach 10,000 edits now that it's over with. Thanks --Jaranda wat's sup 03:14, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Also I noticed you are doing good work on the road articles here and so do you want me to nominate you for adminship. --Jaranda wat's sup 03:14, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I understand, why not sharpen up these skills and I would nominate you in Christmas Day Ok. Thanks for your responce --Jaranda wat's sup 03:41, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Here ya go Requests for adminship/Rschen7754 Go on and accept ;) --Jaranda wat's sup 04:04, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I-95
We won't; I made Interstate 95 in New Jersey and that has the box. Anyway, the boxes are much smaller than the huge boxes that some states have. On the other hand, I-78 is short enough that it doesn't need to be split. --SPUI (talk) 04:11, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I disagree with using the routeboxint template, as it is way too long for an infobox. I will instead write that sort of thing in text. --SPUI (talk) 04:56, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

route vs highway
was there a debate already was to why the template routebox on Pomona Freeway is "highway" instead of "route"?

atanamir 08:47, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

U.S. Highway 6, especially in Colorado
I've been trying to put the major route junctions for US 6 in Colorado, and considering how many there are for the same freeway (Interstate 70), I need HELP. US 6 as a whole is disastrous to write in itself. Can you please help me, Rschen7754? (California highways are easier than this, ha!) --Geopgeop 13:21, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

re: new jersey shields
yeah sure i'll make them. I'm home for the holidays now (usually i'm at school in irvine), so i don't have that PSD file with me. But i'll try to whip sometyihng up tonight. I just noticed a competing set of images:

Route 77 (New Jersey). Should we submit deletion for all of them? SVG doesnt seem to be a very normal image format anyways. Should we also try to move those articles to new jersey state route 77? I don't want to satrt big fights over it though.

atanamir 21:43, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

 * To some degree it makes sense, if you compare to the precedent set with the interstate articles. We don't have California Interstate 280, we have Interstate 280 (California).  So I don't know which opinion I take.  Only point of contention is if the state refers to them as Highway x or Route x.  What do you think? atanamir 01:16, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Highways/U.S. state highway naming conventions
I've started this page to discuss naming conventions; please weigh in and help. --SPUI (talk) 18:02, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

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Commodore 64 (band)

Commodore 64 (named after the 1980s computer of the same name) is an American hip hop band that was one of the pioneers of the hip hop music subgenre known as geeksta rap or nerdcore. Formed by four members of a math club and breakdancing troupe in 1992 at a concert in New Jersey, Commodore 64 was the first group to release a single produced entirely using an Apple Macintosh computer, "Horton Hears A Ho" in 1999.

Three of the four members of Commodore 64, Smart Money "Bass-I.Q." Teddy Ruxpin, HMO and The Professa MC Squared are well-respected as intellectuals in their jobs, as a mathematics professor, an economics writer and a deconstructionist philosopher respectively. DJ Goodbeats, the "fourth member", is a computer.

Commodore 64 released one album, K-Minus Initiative, in December 1999. As the first full-length nerdcore/geeksta rap record to be commercially released, it sold over 130,000 copies in its first three months of release. Their sound and beats have been likened to that of the early Beastie Boys.

The band is currently on their self-released, DIY, independently based label, Phantium Records. They're currently not signed to any major label.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rancid toast

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3 talk 11:42, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Rancid toast
Delete: Fails almost all of WP:WEB. Doesn't show up on alexa.com rankings. Might pass proposal #2 under web comics on WP:WEB. But, without having enough traffic to score at all on alexa.com, I think it fails in general. --Durin 22:11, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Also isn't included as a needed comic under WikiProject Webcomics, which is a viable alternate notability guide.--DNicholls 07:10, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Non-notable. Dragonfiend 12:49, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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X-Pulsion

X-Pulsion is a punk rock band from Brussels, Belgium, that formed in October 1977 and split in May 1978. Peter Schlager formed a new band of the same name but with a new line-up that played between fall 1978 and summer 1979.

Original line-up

 * Jean-Pierre Poirier alias Jerry Wanker alias Jerry WX: guitar
 * Pedro Ramis alias Peter Schlager: lead vocals
 * Klaus Klang: drums
 * Kurt Klang: bass

Second line-up

 * Pedro Ramis alias Peter Schlager: lead vocals
 * Francis Lozet : guitar
 * Jean-Pol Tinant : bass
 * Bob Seytor : drums

Concerts

 * October 14, 1977, Brussels - first concert in private house
 * December 31, 1977, New Year's Eve at the Brussels Martini Center
 * (date unknown) at the Grimmerin in Grimbergen

Single

 * Heaven only knows/Schmucks/Castration (1978) - Romantik Records - mixed by Frédéric Jannin

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U.S. Bombs

U.S. Bombs are an American punk rock band, formed in 1993 in Orange County, California, by Duane Peters and Kerry Martinez. For much of the band's career, the U.S. Bombs consisted of Peters and Martinez, with bass guitarist Wade Walston and drummer Chip Hanna. They have also played with Jonny "Two Bags" Wickersham. The U.S. Bombs play '77 style punk, influenced by The Clash, Heartbreakers, Ramones, Flyboys, Chelsea, Stiff Little Fingers, Shane MacGowan & The Popes, Sham 69, the Flys, & the Ruts.

Biography
In 1993, Duane Peters left The Exploding Fuck Dolls and teamed up with Kerry Martinez to start a new band called U.S. Bombs. The band's first release was a double 7-inch called "Scouts of America" released in 1994 on Vinyl Dog Records with Peters on vocals, Martinez on guitar, Steve Reynolds on bass, and Benny Rapp III on drums. Next they released their first full length Put Strength in the Final Blow.

After a few different lineup changes in their early years, they settled into a lineup of Peters, Martinez, and Reynolds, with Chuck Briggs on guitar and Alex Gomez on drums. In 1996, they released their second album Garibaldi Guard! on Alive Records. The next year, they put out an EP called Nevermind the Opened Minds...Here's the U.S. Bombs.

In 1997, due to touring commitments, the rhythm section of the band was replaced with Wade Walston on bass and Chip Hanna on drums. That year, the band released a 10-inch picture disc on Outsider Records. Next they moved to Tim Armstrong's Hellcat Records for a 4-record deal. The first album on Hellcat was War Birth.

Before the band's fourth full-length, The World, guitarist Chuck Briggs died. Briggs was replaced by Jonny "Two Bags" Wickersham. The World was released in 1999.

During this time, the band developed a relationship with Beer City Records/Skateboards and released three 7-inch records with them. In 1997, they released "Outtakes from a Beer City Basement" which had two exclusive songs, "Hot Seat" (an Empire cover) and "Rejected". Next was a split with The Bristles, where the U.S. Bombs did a cover of the Radio Birdman song "Breaks My Heart". The third Beer City release was called "The Great Lakes of Beer" in 2001 and had two exclusive songs, "The Great Lakes of Beer" and "The Critic!".

In 2000, Peters left to start his new band, Duane Peters and the Hunns. After a few releases and some touring, in 2001 he had to return to the studio with the U.S. Bombs as they were still under contract to make 2 more records with Hellcat. They recorded Back at the Laundromat, their fifth full length.

The band appeared on Premium Blend as the stage band during Jim Breuer's hosting stint, and contributed the song "Yer Country" to the soundtrack for Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4.

In 2006, the U.S. Bombs recorded their 7th full-length album. With Peters, Martinez, Gove, Jaime Reidling and studio bassists, they released We Are The Problem on Sailor's Grave Records.

In March 2015, Peters posted on Instagram, "The Bombs 1993–2013 RIP". In a separate post, he confirmed that the band had broken up.

In the spring of 2017, Peters posted on Instagram that he was going to be getting the U.S. Bombs back together with a completely new crew. The band scheduled a west coast tour for late Summer 2017 including the "It's Not Dead" festival. Peters announced that a new 7-inch of Clash covers was recorded and slated for release on Slope Records in 2017.

Road Case, the band's first album in twelve years, was released on November 23, 2018.

Members

 * Current
 * Duane Peters
 * Brandon Meunier
 * Philip Barber
 * Dave “DB” Barbee

 * Past

 * Kerry Martinez
 * Wade Walston
 * Chip Hanna
 * Jonny "Two Bags" Wickersham
 * Curt Gove
 * Jamie Reidling
 * Miguel Angel Hernandez
 * Alex Gomez
 * Steve Reynolds
 * Chuck Briggs
 * Heiko Schrepel
 * Jack Dalrymple
 * Nate Shaw
 * Andy Dahill
 * Zander Schloss
 * Charley Marshall
 * Ace Von Johnson
 * Nate Sponsler
 * Benny Rapp III
 * Steve Davis
 * Mikey Jak

Studio albums

 * Put Strength in the Final Blow (1995, Vinyl Dog Records)
 * Garibaldi Guard! (1996, Alive Records)
 * Never Mind the Opened Minds (Jan. 1997, Alive Records)
 * War Birth (Sept. 1997, Hell-Cat Records)
 * The World (June 1999, Hell-Cat Records)
 * Put Strength in the Final Blow C.D. (September 1999)
 * Back at the Laundromat (March 2001, Hell-Cat Records)
 * Covert Action (March 2003, Hell-Cat Records)
 * Put Strength in the Final Blow: The Disaster Edition (July 2003, Disaster Records)
 * We Are the Problem (April 2006, Sailor's Grave Records; August 2006, Enemy No. 1 Records (Brazil))
 * Road Case (November 2018, Slope Records)

EPs

 * Scouts of America (EP) double 7-inch (1994, Vinyl Dog Records)
 * U.S. Bombs (EP) (Jan. 1996, Alive Records)
 * Jaks/The Way It Ends 10-inch picture disc (Outsider records 1997)
 * Outtakes From a Beer City Basement 7-inch (1997, Beer City Records)
 * U.S. Bombs/The Bristles split 7-inch (1998, Beer City Records)
 * Great Lakes of Beer 7-inch (Beer City Records)
 * Hobroken Dreams 7-inch (1999, TKO)
 * Tora Tora Tora!/Yer Country 7-inch (TKO records March, 2001)
 * Art Kills/Framed 7-inch (TKO records April 2003)
 * We Are the Problem/Heartbreak Motel 7-inch (Sailor's Grave Records)
 * Death From Above (10-inch picture disc 2013, DIY)
 * Clash Tribute 7-inch (2017, Slope Records)
 * Hollywood Gong Show 7-inch (2017, Slope Records)

Live albums

 * Lost in America: Live 2001 (Jan. 2002)
 * Explosion DVD

Compilation albums

 * Bomb Everything (2003) (Australia Only)
 * Generation Kennedy No More (2013, DIY – compilation of demos/outtakes and rare/unreleased tracks)
 * Old Skars and Upstarts series of compilations featuring unreleased U.S. Bombs tracks "Check Point Chuck", "Club Slick", "Ghost Soldier" & "He's The Man"

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User talk:BobDole1337

17 August 2005
Regarding this edit and several others: Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Hall Monitor 22:15, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

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William Howard (engineer)

William Howard (1793–1834) was an American topographical engineer who was one of the first to work for the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad. When the railroad built its first cars using friction bearings first developed by Ross Winans, Howard made his own design and patented it on November 2, 1828.

Early life
William Howard was born at the Belvedere mansion in Baltimore, Maryland in 1793 to Peggy (née Chew) and John Eager Howard. He received his degree in medicine from the University of Maryland in 1817.

After graduating, in 1819, he traveled with his friend Dr. Jeremias "Jeremiah" Van Rensselaer, the son of the Lieutenant Governor of New York Jeremiah Van Rensselaer, to Italy and hiked Mount Etna and Vesuvius. On July 12, 1819, Howard and his friend became the first Americans to ascend Mount Blanc. In April 1821, Howard published his account in a book called A Narrative of a Journey to the Summit of Mont Blanc, made in July, 1819.

Medical career
In 1820, he took up the practice of medicine, but, according to family legend, quit after losing his first patient. He worked under J.B. Davidge as an adjunct professor of anatomy at the University of Maryland from 1820 to 1821. He then resigned to become a government engineer.

Engineering career
Following the General Survey Act of 1824, Howard was employed as a topographical engineer by the government prior to the forming of the United States Army Corps of Topographical Engineers. In 1827, Howard worked on an early survey for the Chesapeake and Ohio Canal. He confirmed previous surveys that a route through Montgomery County wasn't possible, and instead proposed a northeastern route along the Potomac, Anacostia, and Patuxent rivers. The location and expense of the route was distasteful to Maryland, so the project was dropped. When the new Maryland Canal Company formed, they followed part of his plan: to have the canal go through the District of Columbia.

In May 1827, the Board of Engineers for Internal Improvement assign Howard to head a surveying brigade for the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad. In 1827, Howard also worked on a survey that was the precursor for the Elmira and Williamsport Railroad. In 1829, he was sent to Chicago by Colonel John James Abert to survey a route connecting Lake Michigan to the Illinois River and to improve the Chicago Harbor.

By 1832, Howard worked as an assistant to General Simon Bernard and Joseph Gilbert Totten. In 1833, he finished a survey of the Monongahela River below Brownsville, Pennsylvania that Congressman Andrew Stewart used to try to procure federal funding.

In the summer of 1834, Howard was assigned by Abert along with two other assistants the task of surveying areas of the Chesapeake Bay and the Susquehanna River. This would be one of his last projects as the project was abandoned likely due in part to his death.

Invention
In 1829, the Franklin Institute of Philadelphia published his Specification for an Improvement in Locomotive Engines.

Other endeavors
Howard collaborated with Baltimore architect William F. Small and had influence on the construction of Carrollton Hall. He also designed McKim's School with Small and Barnum's Hotel in Baltimore.

Howard served as the corresponding secretary for the Maryland Institute for the Promotion of the Arts (later named the Maryland Institute College of Art).

Personal life
Howard married Rebecca Ann Key (1809-1880) in 1828. She was the daughter of Anne (née Plater) and Philip Barton Key. Together, they had one son, William Key Howard.

Howard had an extensive private library covering all branches of science and literature.

Death
Howard died in 1834.

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Ottrelite

Ottrelite is a form of chloritoid. Its empirical formula is (Mn,Fe,Mg)2Al4Si2O10(OH)4.

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Category:Campylopterus

Campylopterus is the sabrewings, a genus of Hummingbirds.

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Poly-cap

A poly-cap is a small rubber polyethylene bushing used to create smooth joints, or to keep something in place without glue in scale-models. In model kit descriptions, they are sometimes referred to under the material acronym PE. They are usually found on kits such as those by Tamiya and Bandai who have employed them for a long time.

Although regarded as a quick and reliable solution to create stiff joints to hold poses, they have shown to deteriorate in strength if too much friction is applied from shifting poses, as well as a loss in grip strength over the course of a handful of years without tampering, causing the final build to be unable to hold intended poses over time. As such, manufactures such as Bandai have shown signs of abandonment in more recent releases of the part in favor of more solid, peg relyant engineering, and using harder plastics to keep poses held, although the material is still used in re-releases of old kits.

A typical "cap" is a small cylinder but many other shapes exists. Bandai for example have a wide range of designs used in their mecha-kits (Gunpla, etc.).

Typical uses include
 * Wheel or sprocket-hubs
 * Pivot-points for guns
 * Joints in robotic limbs

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Talk:U.S. Bombs

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For the record, much of the info was verified here- http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/us_bombs/bio.jhtml Still needs a lot of work, but I figured I'd get it started. --Charron 22:17, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

 * It's a good idea to put links to sources on the main page. I've put it there (under "External links"). — Nowhither 11:00, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the advice, I'll be sure to do it in the future. --Charron 22:21, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Refreshments Theme Song
According to IMDB, only former members of The Refreshments are given credit for the theme song. Perhaps someone can prove me wrong? --JWZurawski 00:34, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Infobox template visible?
Hey everyone what's up with the musician infobox template being visible... and not there. someone messed up the infobox cause it says infobox template ON the page! Not sure how to fix it, so if someone could that would be great! RBpunk (talk) 18:47, 6 July 2012 (UTC)RBpunk
 * Nevermind I got it, had to mess around with it a little to make it work RBpunk (talk) 18:36, 7 July 2012 (UTC)RBpunk

Lyrical content
Maybe it should be included, how Peters put his political views into his lyrics. Like conservatism and homophobia? KhlavKhalash (talk) 20:06, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

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List of people from Albuquerque, New Mexico

This is a list of notable people who were either born in, lived for a significant period of time in, or are otherwise closely associated with Albuquerque, New Mexico. The “Blue Sky” capital had 559,374 citizens as of (2019). They are referred to by the demonym "Albuquerquean", and by the colloquial "burqueño" or "burqueña".

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Talk:Kirby's Dream Course

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I uploaded a real small box art for KDM (only 144px), although I found a much better one here. I would've uploaded that, but it has a "Moby Games" watermark in the corner. Does anyone think it would be fine to use that bigger one? I'd assume the answer is no 'cuz of the watermark. --gakon5 (talk)
 * Your assumption is correct. 70.132.147.120 03:10, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Developer information inquiry
What's the source on Nintendo EAD being a co-developer for this game? Leaving aside the fact that they didn't exist in this form or with that name back then, I can't even find proper sourcing to indicate that Nintendo R&D 4 -EAD's original moniker- was involved as a department. The best available citation provided in the article currently is an external link with no substantiation to it.

EDIT: Tagging for advice on the matter before I make any edits. Apologies for the disturbance, but it seems as though you'd be the best editor to ask considering your involvement in nominating the article for its standing as well as being particularly active otherwise. I've found that the issue of note originates from a 2012 edit that makes the claim on basis of mutual staff between what's currently known as EAD and the credits of the game. However, the citation is Moby Games, who are regarded as an unreliable source according to WP:VG/RS. This is leaving aside the cross-over of some staff not being an explicit indication of broader department involvement. Please let me know if you think my potential removal of the claim and related edits would be a reasonable course of action, as no other page or source provides enough substance to prop it up so far as I can find.

Thank you very much for your time. Fact Scanner (talk) 13:00, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

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Brian Wallows and Peter's Swallows

"Brian Wallows and Peter's Swallows" is the seventeenth episode of Family Guy's third season, and the 45th episode overall. It originally aired on Fox on January 17, 2002. In the episode, Brian is sentenced to community service and must look after a cranky, elderly woman. He at first dislikes her, but after seeing a documentary revealing her remarkable singing ability, they become friends. Meanwhile, Peter decides to grow a beard, which soon becomes the home for a family of endangered birds.

"Brian Wallows and Peter's Swallows" was written by Allison Adler and directed by Dan Povenmire. It featured guest performances from A. J. Benza, Gary Cole, Adria Firestone, Melora Hardin, Butch Hartman, Phil LaMarr, Jane Lynch, Nicole Sullivan and Wally Wingert. The episode received generally positive reviews from critics, and earned an Emmy Award for Outstanding Original Music and Lyrics for the musical number "You've Got a Lot to See".

Plot
Deciding to go on a date with a hot but dumb blonde, Brian soon discovers he is dating "an idiot". Brian returns home depressed, and Lois tells him that he is too picky when it comes to the women he dates. Lois suggests that Brian go with Peter, Quagmire and Cleveland to a laser rock concert, while there, Brian begins looking around the theater at all of the loving couples and becomes even more depressed, eventually deciding to start drinking. On the journey home, he is soon pulled over by Joe and arrested for driving under the influence.

One month later, Brian is sentenced to 100 hours of community service in the "Outreach to the Elderly" program, and assigned to a bitter elderly woman named Pearl Burton, who has not left her home for thirty years. Appearing at her home the next day, he quickly becomes angered by her constant complaining, eventually losing his patience and temper, telling her to "drop dead". Later that day, however, Brian discovers Pearl was actually a brilliant opera singer from the 1940s until the 1960s; who was shamed into hiding once she faced demands to sing her more popular radio jingles. Deciding to visit Pearl later that night, he discovers her about to take her own life; but prevents her from doing so at the last second. Brian manages to convince Pearl that her voice is amazing, and she is touched.

The two quickly bond over Pearl's singing and become close friends. Suggesting they go out for dinner, Brian leads Pearl out of her house, where she is immediately run over by a truck. At the hospital, Pearl is left in a serious condition and Brian feels guilty about taking her outside her house. Spending their last seconds together in virtual reality, which Brian had bought while at the rock concert, Pearl soon dies from her injuries, leaving Brian alone and upset once again.

Meanwhile, after watching an episode of Grizzly Adams on television, Peter decides to grow a beard, despite Lois' disapproval. After his beard is fully grown, the Griffin family decide to go out for dinner, but are soon pestered by a white-rumped swallow, who eventually settles in Peter's facial hair. Unaware that the bird is actually an endangered species, Peter attempts to remove the bird, but is soon threatened with a prison sentence if he does so. Left with no other choice but to let the bird live within his beard, Peter attempts to continue life as normally as possible, until he can no longer take the bird's constant squawking, and decides to shoot the bird. Stopped at the last second by Lois, Peter accidentally shoots a nearby window, causing the bird to fly out. Thankful that the bird is finally gone, the two soon hear peeping coming from inside his facial hair, and discover three small baby birds. Won over by their resemblance to his own children, he decides to keep the baby birds, and take the place of their mother. As time goes on, he becomes reluctant to release the birds once they have become fully grown, but is ultimately convinced by Lois to release them back into the wilderness once they attempt to fly out of their bedroom window. He does release them, and then he finally takes the plunge and shaves off his beard.

Later in the Drunken Clam, Brian and Peter drink to each other's experiences and, as Brian is getting looks from an attractive blonde at the bar and Peter is getting looks from a large female bird, they both agree that they aren't ready to move on.

Production
As her first and only episode for the series, the show was written by future Chuck writer Allison Adler, and directed by series regular Dan Povenmire before the conclusion of the third production season.

Initially, the "tearjerker" ending was not planned, and series creator Seth MacFarlane had intended to close the episode with a series of gags, similar to many other episodes. Voice actress and staff writer Alex Borstein, along with Allison Adler, convinced MacFarlane that the episode would be far more effective if it were to end on a down note, eventually calling it the only episode to have "real human emotion".

Following the terror attacks on September 11, 2001, 20th Century Fox decided to edit the musical number "You've Got a Lot to See" in syndicated airings by digitally removing the World Trade Center towers, as well as replacing the likeness of former President George W. Bush with a beer bong on a tarot card with a tarot card featuring trash talk-show host Jerry Springer during the animation sequence between Pearl and Brian.

"Brian Wallows and Peter's Swallows" won an Emmy Award for Best Song. Creator Seth MacFarlane, the recipient of the award, noted that the episode's director, Dan Povenmire, deserved to have received the award for the contribution the visuals made to the episode's win. Povenmire jokingly responded "That's a nice sentiment and all, but did he offer to give me his (Emmy Award)? No! And it's not like he doesn't already have two (Emmy Awards) of his own just sitting in his house!"

In addition to the regular cast, gossip columnist and television host A. J. Benza, actor Gary Cole, opera singer Adria Firestone, actress Melora Hardin, writer and animator Butch Hartman, voice actor Phil LaMarr, actress Jane Lynch, actress Nicole Sullivan and voice actor Wally Wingert guest starred in the episode. Recurring guest voice actors Lori Alan and writer Mike Barker also made minor appearances.

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Mariano Azuela Güitrón

Mariano Azuela Güitrón (born 1 April 1936 in Mexico City) is a Mexican jurist who was a member of the Supreme Court of Justice of the Nation (SCJN) from 1983 to 2009 and served as its president (chief justice) from 2003 to 2007.

Personal life and education
Güitrón is the son of Mariano Azuela Rivera – who also served as a Minister of the Supreme Court (Associate Justice) – and María de los Dolores Güitrón Machaen; he is also the grandson of Mariano Azuela González, a prominent novelist of the Mexican Revolutionary period. He is married to Consuelo Bohigas Lomelín. Azuela graduated with a bachelor's degree in law from the National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM) in 1959.

Judicial career
Azuela Güitrón served as magistrate (1971 – 1983) and president (1981) of the Fiscal Tribunal of the Federation. He was a long-serving member of the faculty at the Ibero-American University in Mexico City, which he joined in 1963.

In 1983 he joined the Supreme Court of Justice of the Nation and from January 2003 to January 2006 served as its president (chief justice).

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Talk:2005 Miyagi earthquake

Merge Reasoning
I decided to move 2005 Honshu Coast Quake to 2005 Miyagi earthquake insetead of the other way around mainly for consistency. While "Honshu Coast Quake" could refer to anywhere on the coast of Honshu (Sea of Japan side or Pacific Ocean side), "Miyagi" refers specifically to Miyagi Prefecture, as 2005 Fukuoka earthquake similarily refers to Fukuoka Prefecture. Not only that, the names will also be consistent (this being the second Japanese earthquake-related page), hopefully creating a standard for future articles. If you have a problem with it, please leave me a note on my talk page. -Nameneko 22:17, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Old Images
Images from 2005 Honshu Coast Quake have been tamporarily placed here due to the fact that they are relatively unnecessary to the article. If you would like to put them back in, please do so (that's why they're here!) but leave a note here saying why. -Nameneko 22:17, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

 * These two images show where on Earth things are happening, and are therefore useful to people outside Japan and unfamiliar with the local geography. They may complement Image:2005 Miyagi Earthquake Tohoku Map.png. However, the top one needs to zoom in closer, but the second one zoomed in too close. Wish there were a happy medium ..... -- 199.71.174.100 00:44, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

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Trochilinae is the subfamily of typical hummingbirds within the family Trochilidae.

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Talk:Strlen

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There appear to be no html markup tags available that allow inclusion of literally any character. Repeated ' characters accomplish some of this, but this article is still technically incorrect.

jim mcnamara Aug 17 16:18 MDT

 * Point to ponder: Should each programming language function have its own article? Deryck C. 18:17, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

strlen( NULL )
This is invalid, correct? In standard C it will cause undefined behavior, instead of returning 0?

Yes. "4.1.6 Use of library functions. Each of the following statements applies unless explicitly stated otherwise in the detailed descriptions that follow. If an argument to a function has an invalid value (such as a value outside the domain of the function, or a pointer outside the address space of the program, or a null pointer), the behavior is undefined."

Note that "undefined" may return 0 in your particular C implementation. Or it may return 42. Or it may terminate the program. The only thing "undefined" is prevented from doing is anything worse than program termination (such as physically damaging the computer) unless the manufacturer documents that behaviour. 150.101.30.44 (talk) 03:43, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

 * "Undefined behaviour" exists not so that you can draw conclusions, but so that you can't and shouldn't attempt to draw conclusions. It is not necessary for an implementation to define undefined behaviour. It would seem you're confusing the concept with "implementation defined behaviour", for which the definition is required to be documented by compliant implementations. The C99 standard draft (n1256.pdf) states my point perfectly at section 3.4.3 where it defines "undefined behavior" as "behavior, upon use of a nonportable or erroneous program construct or of erroneous data, for which this International Standard imposes no requirements". Plebbeh (talk) 03:07, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Skip "Multi-Byte approach"
Can we please delete the "Multi-Byte approach" section? Instead we can simply note that it is possible to implement strlen by working with the architecture's natural word size. The explanation is confused. The interesting problems (i.e. taking care of unalignment) are left as TODO. It's not clear that this is faster than a naive char-by-char strlen. The article claims the code or algorithm is from HAKMEM, but doesn't give any specific entry, and I was unable to find it there. I've seen the general technique well implemented and correct, in (I think) OpenBSD's memcpy. JöG (talk) 07:07, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

 * You're right. Converting a pointer to char to a pointer to short, int, long, etc may be undefined behaviour as those types may have alignment requirements that can't be guaranteed when working with strings. The only pointers that you can guarantee have suitable alignment are those returned by malloc and friends, or those implicitly converted from arrays. It should be noted that, whether copying word-by-word is faster or not, "This approach is not required to work on every C implementation, and there are implementations in existence which will crash if the memory is not suitably aligned ." Plebbeh (talk) 02:18, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

strlen vs O(1)
The current description about strlen always being O(n) is wrong, unless one assumes that strings are all stored in bare C string format. Other string storage formats SHOULD be mentioned and the performance impact should be kept as well. I believe that my version which gets reverted have provided better vision in this topic and should be put back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Delphij (talk • contribs) 21:49, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, right you are. Perhaps an alternative might be "strlen is academically implemented as an O(n) (constant time) operation, though there are no requirements or restrictions preventing the operation from being faster or slower. "

As it is, the statement that reads "No optimization can make strlen fast for significantly large inputs, so storing the length of strings is generally the recommended fix." contradicts itself; If no optimisation can make strlen faster then storing the length of strings won't make a difference either. It is entirely possible for an implementation to automatically store the length of strings (eg. simply storing the offset of a '\0' byte as it is assigned into an array), thus turning strlen into an O(1) operation, providing memory access is O(1) (which also isn't required by the C standard; Consider tape memory).

Plebbeh (talk) 00:27, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

 * Such an idea would make strlen(p+10) (where p is a char* pointer) not work, since the passed pointer is not pointing at the length. You would have to implement a memory model where p+10 produces an object from which the original p and the offset of 10 can be recovered in O(1) time. Certainly not impossible, but I suspect most implementations of such changes to standard C behavior also ditch nul-terminated strings. It may be that some C interpreters can do this, however.Spitzak (talk) 01:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

 * The point I was trying to make is that saying strlen is O(n) constant time is invalid, because it is possible for it to be incorrect. Consider an implementation that sleeps for SIZE_MAX - n before returning from strlen; There's another example of O(1) constant time. It would be silly, but it's perfectly compliant by the C standard. I think an implementation that is optimal enough to make the formerly suggested optimisations would also be smart enough to keep track of pointer arithmetic on strings. You may be right; They may ditch the '\0', but the implementation would still be required to evaluate "hello"[strlen("hello")] to '\0'.Plebbeh (talk) 05:38, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually we should not mention the complexity of the algorithm at all, since it is not defined by the standard. As we do mention the complexity, we are talking about implementations and not the Standard already. Please point out any implementation or algorithm that can compute strlen faster than O(n), given that C string can be any array or subarray of characters ending with a NUL character. Saying that one exists without a reference is WP:OR. Alleged slower implementations should not be mentioned also, except if you can prove that one exists, because of WP:N.1exec1 (talk) 12:09, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

This discussion is getting really stupid. We are talking about the function with the six-letter name "STRLEN". It takes a C pointer to a char and finds the distance to the next NUL. There are NO instances where the system can do anything else, so unless you implement some memory design where the location of the next NUL after an arbitrary point is not an O(n) operation, it is O(n). Case closed.
 * Yes there are other ways to store strings. NONE of them have a function called "strlen" that takes a C pointer to a char. They are DIFFERENT functions and the whole point of the sentence "storing the length of the strings is the recommended fix" is to say that these DIFFERENT systems should be used. It is *not* an "optimization" because it is a DIFFERENT function that takes something other than a C pointer to char as input.Spitzak (talk) 19:11, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

strlcpy vs snprintf in Implementation section
My proposal is to use snprintf in this article, as opposed to strlcpy. strlcpy is non-standard, both in terms of POSIX and the C standard. As a result, it isn't required to exist, nor is it required to do the same thing as the WP article described.

snprintf is standardised, and can do everything strlcpy can do and more. For example:
 * char foo[4];
 * size_t bar = strlcpy(foo, "hello", sizeof foo);

can be rewritten as:
 * char foo[4];
 * size_t bar = snprintf(foo, sizeof foo, "%s", "hello");

Thus, I tend to encourage use of snprintf instead. Discuss, please? Plebbeh (talk) 01:12, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

 * You mean as an example where the O(1) is not a problem because the function does something else that is also O(n) and hides it? If so even sprintf is a good example (assuming the likely implementation of it doing %s by coyping the characters to the output at the same time it is looking for the NUL).Spitzak (talk) 19:06, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

 * If snprintf is C-compliant, then this shall describe it's return value: "Upon successful completion, the snprintf function shall return the number of bytes that would be written to s had n been sufficiently large excluding the terminating null byte." If snprintf isn't C-compliant, then we're not talking about C. Plebbeh (talk) 02:09, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

 * There is no need to return a value for a function to demonstrate this. Therefore printf is as good as an example. To print a string, printf can do this to write a string, in effect "hiding" the O(n) strlen needed both to figure out how many characters to print and to figure out how to increase the return value, into the O(n) loop that is needed to copy characters to the output device:

while (*string) { write(*string++); length++; }

 * The point being that because printf is O(n), you can "hide" the fact that strlen is O(n) by doing as a side-effect of the required O(n) operation. I still feel that strlcpy is the best example because it is much simpler than printf, and much more likely to be optimized in this way. strlcpy *could* be done like this:

strlcpy(char* dest, const char* src, size_t n) { size_t i = strlen(src); if (n) { size_t j = (i >= n) ? i : n-1; memcpy(dest, src, j); dest[j] = 0; }   return i;  }

 * However all implementations I have seen have been written to iterate over the string, thus merging the O(n) copy into the O(n) strlen so that the cost is mitigated. I don't think this is true of printf implementations, since the speed of I/O likely swamps any desire to add such efficiency to the code.Spitzak (talk) 02:44, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Pages for each function and WP:NOTMANUAL
Hello. You might find this discussion relevant. Thanks!1exec1 (talk) 09:06, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

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