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Talk:Anu Malik

Controversy
While I think there is a common consensus amongst most editors to keep this information, and that removing it would be considered whitewashing, I think a clear consensus should be defined to stop all the edit warring that is happening on this page. In my opinion, I think it is pretty important to mention the sexual assault allegations since they have affected his career (ie. Indian Idol) and not mentioning so would violate our WP:NPOV policy. I think they are given due weight in the article (maybe header could be changed) and it does not overpower the positive aspects of his career. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 04:20, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * They're allegations. Serious negative BLP at that. It's not white-washing to remove unproven canards. Suggest opening discussion at BLPN-- Dloh cier ekim  (talk) 05:09, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

 * I think the whole controversy section should be removed as it is against Neutral Point Of View(NPOV) Policy of Wikipedia. One can also add 'APPRECIATION' section and can appreciate him more than needed. Such kind of sections have been clearly added due to person hate, as far as it seems to me. Moreover, adding about the sexual allegation imposed on Anu Malik, which are just allegations and nothing have been proved so far neither the matter has been dragged to court, are completely unethical. An editor added a vague line that an Assistant Producer of Indian Idol said that producers were aware of his behaviour! If already a line about sexual allegation was added, was it necessary to be added? Hasn't it been added to spoil the subject's image? If so many unnecessary lines were added, then what was problem in my addition of Sonu Nigam's claim that he has seen from his eyes those SMS coming on Anu Malik's mobile? I had also provided a source for this!
 * I think such kind of defaming portions should not exist on Wikipedia page. nkupad talk

 * Ignoring controversies is anything BUT WP:NPOV by virtually anyones definition. The accusations of harrassement should be included as they have had a real impact on his career in that he left/was let go as a judge on Indian Idol.  That's not something that can be ignored / whitewashed as Nkupad and friend have been trying to do for quite some time.  I can see keeping only the first and last sentence of the current para - basically here's what happened and the result.  Ravensfire  (talk) 20:14, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

 * As for removing the entire section as suggested by Nkupad, that would clearly not be appropriate or in line with NPOV; both paragraphs are well-sourced and relevant. I agree that removing everything between "[...] as a part of the Me Too movement in India." and "Following the public backlash [...]" would work, though, so as to avoid having too much detail there. --bonadea contributions talk 07:27, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

What was the need to remove the sourced content stating Sameer Anjaan and Sonu Nigam have supported Anu Malik. Wasn't it an important fact? If unproved allegations don't violate any Wikipedia's policy, isn't it important to mention that Anu Malik was supported by some popular celebrities, who have been evidence of the act? The pair of Ravensfire and Bonadea is ready to listen to no one! nkupad talk

 * The intent was to reduce the section to a bare minimum of information. If the accusations had no impact on Malik, that section shouldn't be in the article, but there was an impact on his life - being forced out as a judge.  That's significant and needs to mentioned in the article with the minimum context as these are just accusations at this point.  If we've going to start adding other people's views on the accusations, that's a dangerous road to go down and starts to push BLPPUBLIC boundaries.  Yes, Malik has had supporters and if you note, that wasn't removed because of sourcing reasons.  We can't include just views supporting Malik if there are also views that don't support him and have also gotten mention in WP:RS.  Nobody has added his nephew pretty strong denouncement  and if all this section covers is minimal, it shouldn't. If it goes into more detail, then we have to follow all policies.  I've rephrased what is there slightly to make his denial of the accusations more prominent.
 * Aside from wiping out the section completely (which isn't going to get much support), what are your suggestions that portray a balanced view of this matter?  Ravensfire  (talk) 18:48, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Ravensfire, my suggestion is to also to mention the support of Sameer and Sonu Nigam to Anu Malik, in order to neutralize the article. That's all! Nkupad talk
 * So let's also mention Amaal Malik castigating Anu Malik, in order the neutralize the article. His statement has easily gotten more coverage than the two you mention. Neutral is good so you'll surely agree to this, right?  Ravensfire  (talk) 17:44, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

I think nkupad is right in this regard. Mentioning of the support of Sameer and Sonu Nigam is important. While, Amaal Malik did not castigate him literally, and only said that he doesn't consider Anu Malik as a part of his family as it was earlier evident that they had a family tussle going on much before the outbreak of this controversy. Sonu Nigam has said that he has from his own eyes seen the recent regular well-wishing messages coming on Anu Malik's mobile from a women who has alleged Malik. So if a women is sending well-wishing message to a person regularly, and then suddenly comes out in public saying that she was sexually harassed many years ago, wouldn't you call it a case of publicity stunt or personal grudge? So don't you think it is essential to mention this fact? I am disheartened from the fact that some editors are keen on making such an edit which will seem to convict Anu Malik for the allegation, without providing the aspect of other side of the coin. We are not here to convict someone, but to only present a balanced point of view. Everyone's edit has essence. Moreover it is also needed to mention that two allegations were anonymous and these allegations were made under Mee Too Movement, in order to consolidate the information ethicaleditor1234 talk
 * This is a BLP. We are not going to throw in a bunch of people and their YouTube videos who somehow or other "speak up" for someone: that's ridiculous., I don't know what you are trying to argue in this comment here, but "don't you think blah blah" sounds like you think this is a discussion forum--it is not. The support of Sameer seems reasonable since he says he was there (if that's indeed what he says). Other random support is uncalled for (and this whole Sonu Nigam story you're telling here is very confusing, and strikes me as irrelevant and gossipy). And that the victim says this happened when she was 15 is of course highly relevant, and this certainly should not be removed. Finally, your last sentence, I have no idea what you mean with "consolidate the information". I do not see how the Me Too movement or the anonymity of two of the accusers is relevant--but I am not opposed to its insertion as long as it is done in a neutral (and grammatically correct) way: this was neither, and "as a part of the Me Too movement", which I found already in there and which I then removed, was weird. The accusation was "part of" a movement? And even if you rewrite that, were the accusations somehow linked to or prompted by it? It seems more like its function was to somehow lessen the importance of the allegations. Drmies (talk) 18:34, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

 * There is no support in any of the sources for the claim that allegations were made anonymously. People not being named in the papers does not equal them being anonymous. Thus, it would be against Wikipedia policy to publish such a claim. That it was during the Me Too movement's first active phrase and can be seen as part of that is not entirely irelevant - thousands and thousands of victims were empowered by that movement to try to get at least some justice, but I agree with Drmies that it sounds as if the attempt here is to discredit the allegations as well as the movement by using that kind of phrasing. Maybe it would be worth a mention in the article about the Me Too movement, rather than here. --bonadea contributions talk 16:26, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

As Ethicaleditor1234 is pointing, mentioning of Sonu Nigam's support is essential because he has said that he has from his eyes seen the decent SMS coming on Anu Malik's mobile from one of the women who alleged him for misbehavior. Sonu Nigam is a big fame and his statement is not gossipy because he is acting like an evidence in this case. Nkupad talk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ethicaleditor1234 (talk • contribs) 14:54, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

 * Oh dear. When you pretend to be two people in violation of Wikipedia's policies, you do need to keep track of which account you are currently logged in from. See also Marmion VI:XVII. --bonadea contributions talk 15:17, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

 * Whoops ...  Ravensfire  (talk) 18:04, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Ok, whatever... just forget it! Embarrassment doesn't come with invitation. Just give a thought over whatever i have recommended. Ethicaleditor1234

Is the mentioning of allegations allowed in BLP? I don't think so. Read WP:NPOV Victor2v98 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:26, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

 * Nothing in there about not allowing well-sourced text reporting on allegations in a neutral manner, which is what we have here. --bonadea contributions talk 16:08, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

My objection is that there are a lot of allegations mentioned- from plagiarism to sexual allegation. That portion should be reduced to a reasonable limit, otherwise it seem to disturb a balance. Victor2v98 (talk) 16:42, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Sorry for interference by a new editor. I want to say its sad to see how Anu Malik has been alleged without giving any proof. Is an allegation without any proof is suficient to destroy a legendary career? This can also happen with our father, brothers or son! We need to see that 2 complains have been made anonymously and their identity hasn't been checked yet. While one has been from Shweta Pandit, in which lyricist Sameer said that he was present in the audition. While for the rest one allegation, Sonu Nigam in support of Anu Malik has claimed that he has seen the regular well-wishing messages coming on Malik's mobile from that woman. So what does this indicate? Is media trial ethical here? If there will be any case, let the court decide, we shouldn't act as Judges ourself. Mentioning of allegation in that way is immoral. Abhinamukunda

 * Nope, we go by Wikipedia's policies and guidelines here, not by admirers of the person who want to whitewash the article or who prefer to believe the person's friends; we don't care about things like that here, we go by what reliable independent sources say. Please provide the source that claims that two complaints are anonymous - as already discussed above, that is not said anywhere in the current sources. --bonadea contributions talk 18:55, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

For Alisha-Anu Malik molestation case in 90s, the matter was dragged to court, where Anu Malik was given clean-chit. Anu Malik, in return slapped Alisha Chinai with 2crore rupee defamation case, after which Alisha Chinai had to apologize to Anu Malik. And after all this, Alisha started once again working with Anu Malik despite of putting such serious allegations. And now she comes with changed color again? Hence, that latest addition clearly can hold the intention of personal grudge by Alisha. Untrusted facts should be eliminated. If you all are keen to defame Anu Malik, then i am here to defend him! Bonadea simply holds unjustified negative opinion on the subject, but i will keep neutralizing him. Abhinamukunda (talk) 15:50, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * "Untrusted facts" - well, we do have reliable sources, and the information has been pruned down to a bare, factual minimum. What is the policy based reason for removing the sourced text? --bonadea contributions talk 19:11, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

The controversy section seems to be full of bias against Anu Malik. What is the need of mentioning "Sona Mohapatra criticized commission's decision"? Is this Page based on Sona Mohapatra. I am saddened by the ways the Wikipedia's 'neutrality rules have been violated blatantly by an established editor of Wikipedia, who clearly seem to misuse that power, just to satiate the personal bias, even when the accused has been already exonerated by National Commission of Women, a statutory body in India. Gyaansevak (talk) 14:59, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source for him being exonerated by the NCW – when did that happen? I can't find any sources more recent than mid-January, when they closed the case due to a lack of evidence, but they explicitly did not exonerate Malik then, so presumably you refer to something else. Regarding the mention of other people, would you agree that it is out of proportion to mention Sameer Anjaan and Sonu Nigam as well? (Strictly speaking, the reference of Nigam should probably be removed as it only says that he "reportedly" stated this and "apparently" claimed that...) I will improve the sourcing for the fact you mention above. Finally, please remember to always assume good faith of your peers here. That is a central policy of Wikipedia. Thank you. --bonadea contributions talk 18:39, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Bonadea, in case if you are not able to get it from the articles, there is a full public youtube video of Sonu Nigam (who has told to have seen the regular recent well-wishing messages of one of the accusers). I do understand that #MeToo Movement has been a much needed movement which has taught the bloody molesters to learn to behave! But you need to see that some innocent are also caught in a trap, without submission of any proof. Each and every allegation against Anu Malik has a strong counter to it! Even he has received supoort from some Female Singers as well(whose support I haven't mentioned till yet, because it will over-enlarge controversy section). Gyaansevak (talk) 13:38, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2019
Please add the allegations made by Neha Bhasin, Sona Mohapatra, and two other women from Mehboob Studio. Also, while you mentioned the support that he received from Sonu Malik and Sameer, it might be fairer to also include the fight that Sona Mohapatra and her supporters (most recent Abhay Deol) has put up against him for his alleged predatory behavior. Braburningfeminist (talk) 13:44, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — KuyaBriBri Talk 17:05, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Phrasing and neutrality
With regard to this edit I am at a loss to understand exactly what it is about the phrase "but clarifying that it could be reopened" (where "it" is "the sexual harassment case") that is biased. It would be misleading to the point of dishonesty to imply that the case was closed once and for all, so the information has to be there. The question is what it is in the phrasing that is biased; how do you suggest it be changed without removing the information? On the other hand, "Female singer Hema Sardesai came out in support of Anu Malik, pointing out at the absurdity of the accusers." is biased in two distinct ways: it implies that the gender of the singer is relevant to her opinions and statements, and it flat out asserts that the accusers were absurd ("point out" is used to state something that is considered to be true.)

In addition, the source (here) does not support the content. It is simply a copy of a long Instagram post made by Sardesai (no discussion or analysis by any independent person, only a brief introductory paragraph and then the primary text), and she doesn't make any comments on the accusations. She says... well, it is hard to understand just what she says, but she seems to be basing her argumentation on the fact that Malik's music is wonderful and singing it has led her to great success. (That is indeed coming out in support of him, but has nothing to do with any criticism against him). She also seems to say that because she has previously said she wouldn't compromise her principles, it follows that Malik must be a good person (though that is really rather unclear). And finally she says that the accusers should have spoken out earlier (see victim blaming), and that other music directors are not good people. What makes this source meet WP:RS for a WP:BLP? --bonadea contributions talk 11:01, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

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Mark Keppel High School

Mark Keppel High School (MKHS) is a four-year California Distinguished School located in the city of Alhambra, California, in the Alhambra Unified School District. The school is on the southern edge of Alhambra, adjacent to the city of Monterey Park, and borders the Interstate 10 Freeway. Mark Keppel serves students from portions of Alhambra and Monterey Park. Mark Keppel has been accredited by the Western Association of Schools and Colleges in 1996, 2002, 2008, and 2014.

History
Mark Keppel High School is named after Mark Keppel, Superintendent of Los Angeles County Schools from 1902 to 1928. Construction began December 19, 1938, three days after the ground-breaking ceremonies. The school was one of the thousands of projects built by the Public Works Administration during the Great Depression.

Awards

 * California Distinguished School Award: 2005
 * Exemplary Career Technical Education Award: 2005
 * Title I Academic Achievement Award: 2004, 2005, 2006
 * Governor's Performance Award: 2001, 2002, 2003
 * Ranked 451 on Newsweek's 1,000 "Best High Schools in America": 2004
 * First Place in LA County Academic Decathlon: 2008
 * Third Place in LA County Science Olympiad: 2012
 * First Place in LA County Academic Decathlon: 2014
 * Second Place in LA County Academic Decathlon: 2019
 * First Place in LA County Academic Decathlon: 2020
 * Third Place in California State Academic Decathlon: 2020
 * First Place in LA County Academic Decathlon: 2021
 * Third Place in California State Academic Decathlon: 2021
 * First Place in LA County Academic Decathlon: 2022
 * Fifth Place in California State Academic Decathlon: 2022
 * GetLit Poetry Slam Champions: 2022
 * First Place in LA County Academic Decathlon: 2023
 * Fourth Place in California State Academic Decathlon: 2023

Demographics
As of the 2023–2024 school year, the student body was 70.2% Asian American, 24.2% Hispanic or Latino (of any race), and 1.3% non-Hispanic White. The remaining 4.3% consisted of Filipino, African-American, Native American, Pacific Islander, and other students. The predominant languages spoken at students' homes are Cantonese, Mandarin and Spanish. Approximately 50% of the student population participates in a free or reduced lunch program.

Visual and performing arts
In 2007, band and orchestra teacher Dr. Carla Bartlett won the Performing Arts Center of Los Angeles County's Bravo Award as an in the Arts Specialist division, one of the highlights of her career. Leading the District Band along with rival Alhambra High School's Mark Trulson and San Gabriel High School's Tammy Cognetta, Dr. Bartlett and the marching band qualified to participate in the 2009 Tournament of Roses Parade.

Justin Lee, a UCLA graduate, now directs the school's band and orchestra, following Dr. Bartlett's retirement in December 2016.

The school has an active theatre arts program led by Nadine Page Phillips. Plays, musicals, and other performances occur throughout the school year, often in conjunction with the school orchestra. In 2015, Mark Keppel High theatre students were invited to the Edinburgh Festival Fringe in Scotland where they performed in a rendition of Peter Pan. Various UC "A-G" certified programs such as AP Art History are offered.

Previously, the school also had their own concert choir and show choir, led by their teacher and director Tony Azeltine. The competitive advanced group, known as "Aztec Singers," competed in various show choir competitions across Los Angeles. About once a year, the students would travel out-of-state to perform or compete with other show choir and concert choir students across the continent.

Athletics
The Varsity football team, under coach Eddie Wagner, beat Pasadena High School 19-13 for the 1944 CIF-SS Championship at the Los Angeles Coliseum.

Mark Keppel has established itself as one of the premier co-ed Badminton schools in Southern California in the late 1980s and throughout the 1990s. The badminton team has won CIF-SS championships in 1987 (3-A), 1990 (3-A), 1991 (3-A), 1992 (3-A), 1993 (I), 1994 (I), 1996 (I), 1997 (I), 1998 (I), and 2010 (I).

Both the Aztec Boys and Girls Varsity swim teams won back-to-back CIF-SS Division IV championships in the 2007 and 2008 season. The Girls Varsity swim and dive team won the CIF-SS Division III championships in the 2010 season. In addition, the Aztecs have captured the Division 3 CIF-SS championship 2011 in both Boys and Girls.

The boys Varsity soccer team of 1979 won the CIF-SS Division III championship by beating Orange County's University High School by the score of 4-2. This was the first CIF title for the school in any sport during the previous 25 years.

Publications
Mark Keppel High School's journalism class runs the monthly newspaper, The Aztec. The yearbook is Teocalli, named after the Aztec temple, and comes out once a year several months before summer break begins. Until June 2016, "Idea Magazine" was a student-run, biannual compilation of Mark Keppel students' work in literature and art, advised by AP English teacher Mrs. Patrice Flores. "U Magazine" is a registered student publications club, also advised by Mrs. Flores, for the school year 2016–2017.

Architecture
Mark Keppel High School is designed in the Streamline Moderne architectural style, a variant of the Art Deco, and a product of the Great Depression. While the Art Deco celebrated the mechanization of the Jazz Age with big, bold, vertical designs, exotic materials, and elaborate decorations, the Streamline Moderne was a more reserved and utilitarian style. The Streamline Moderne mimicked the fast, dynamic look of machines with sleek, aerodynamic and nautical forms, low horizontal designs, rounded corners, and shiny materials.

The architecture of Mark Keppel High School features rounded corners in and outside the auditorium, on the staircase leading up to the front entrance, and in all the interior stairwells. Incised horizontal lines cut through the brick stringcourse which wraps the lower part of the building and the brick pillars between the windows. The stucco texture coat of the facade features designs that emphasize horizontal shapes; blocks between the windows on both floors and along the top of the building contribute to the geometric, yet sleek look of the building. The uppermost block is bounded by a horizontal brick band, and the building is crowned with a small inset ledge. Extra handrails are found in front of the windows in the second floor hallways, in front of the display cases around the administration offices, and on the north wing exterior staircase.

Murals
Mark Keppel High School features three bas relief murals made by native Southern California artist, Millard Sheets.

The three enamel on stainless steel murals entitled "Early California" decorate the exterior of the auditorium, and depict the founding of California as well as the regional features of Los Angeles County. The second image show the placement of the two smaller murals on the auditorium.

The largest mural crowns the entrance to the auditorium and depicts the three main groups that colonized and populated California: the Spanish Conquistadors, the Catholic Missionaries, and American Pioneers. The mural features a golden California on a backdrop of green mountain ranges, dotted with golden Redwood trees, and capped with a large reflective stainless steel sun wrapped with a sunburst decoration. On the left, the Conquistador goes before his ship, claiming the new land in the name of Spain. In the center, a Missionary kneels down, gingerly placing a mission in Southern California. On the right, a Miner 49’er pans for gold while his wife holds their child and rifle, their covered wagons behind them.

The two smaller murals are located on the southern facade of the auditorium, facing toward Hellman Ave. The mural in the center right depicts early Los Angeles County with the San Gabriel Mountains to the north, the San Gabriel Mission surrounded by orange groves in the center, a dairy farm with Cowboy below, and the Long Beach Harbor in the south.

The mural on the right showcases the entire state of California. From north to south: a lumberjack cuts down a Redwood tree, two miners pan for gold, and a farmer harvests oranges from his orange grove. A cowboy gallops in on a white horse from the east, while a large ship sails in majestically from the west.

Notable alumni

 * Mike McCormick (pitcher) (b. 1938)— baseball player, CY Young Award Winner
 * Hank Aguirre (1949) — baseball player
 * Pete Mikkelsen (b. 1939) — baseball player
 * Luis J. Rodriguez (b. 1954) — poet, novelist, journalist, critic, and columnist
 * Hope Sandoval (b. 1966) — singer
 * Dick Frey (b. 1929) — football player
 * B. Wayne Hughes (1951) — Founder and director of Public Storage, a self-storage company
 * Terence Yin (1993) — actor
 * John Tran (1993) — politician, mayor of Rosemead
 * Larry Burright — baseball player
 * Justin Young (basketball) (2011) — basketball player

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Oliver Hart (economist)

Sir Oliver Simon D'Arcy Hart (born October 9, 1948) is a British-born American economist, currently the Lewis P. and Linda L. Geyser University Professor at Harvard University. Together with Bengt R. Holmström, he received the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences in 2016.

Biography
Oliver Hart was born in Britain to Philip D'Arcy Hart, a medical researcher, and Ruth Meyer, a gynecologist. Both his parents were Jewish; his father was a member of the Montagu family; Oliver's great-grandfather was Samuel Montagu, 1st Baron Swaythling.

Hart earned his B.A. in mathematics at King's College, Cambridge, in 1969 (where his contemporaries included the former Bank of England Governor Mervyn King), his M.A. in economics at the University of Warwick in 1972, and his Ph.D. in economics at Princeton University in 1974. He completed his doctoral dissertation, titled "Essays in the economics of uncertainty", under the supervision of Michael Rothschild. He was a lecturer in economics at University of Essex, a fellow at Churchill College, Cambridge, and then a professor at the London School of Economics. In 1984, he returned to the U.S., where he taught at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and, since 1993, at Harvard University. He became the first Andrew E. Furer Professor of Economics in 1997 and was chairman of the Harvard economics department from 2000 to 2003. He is a fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, of the Econometric Society, of the American Finance Association, a corresponding fellow of the British Academy, and a member of the National Academy of Sciences. He has been president of the American Law and Economics Association and vice president of the American Economic Association and has several honorary degrees.

In 2016, Hart won the Nobel Prize in Economics with Bengt Holmström for their work on contract theory, including his work on how ownership should be allocated and when contracting is beneficial over ownership.

Hart was knighted in the 2023 Birthday Honours for services to economic theory.

Academics
Hart is an expert on contract theory, theory of the firm, corporate finance, and law and economics. His research centers on the roles that ownership structure and contractual arrangements play in the governance and boundaries of corporations. His research has emphasized the importance of contractual incompleteness — the inability of parties to contract on every contingency. He has used his theoretical work on firms in two legal cases as a government expert (Black and Decker v. U.S.A. and WFC Holdings Corp. (Wells Fargo) v. U.S.A.) where companies claimed tax-related benefits as a result from selling some of their business. The government used Hart's research to claim that because the companies retained control of the sold assets, they could not lay claim to the tax benefits.

Personal life
Hart holds dual British and United States citizenship.

He is married to Rita B. Goldberg, a Harvard literature professor and author of the second-generation Holocaust memoir Motherland: Growing Up With the Holocaust. They have two sons and two grandsons.

Books

 * Firms, Contracts, and Financial Structure (Oxford University Press, 1995).

Selected articles

 * "On the Optimality of Equilibrium when the Market Structure is Incomplete", Journal of Economic Theory, December 1975, pp. 418–443
 * "Takeover Bids, the Free-rider problem, and the Theory of the Corporation" (with Sanford J. Grossman), Bell Journal of Economics, Spring 1980, pp. 42–64
 * "An Analysis of the principal–agent problem" (with Sanford J. Grossman), Econometrica (January 1983), pp. 7–46.
 * "The Market Mechanism as an Incentive Scheme", Bell Journal of Economics, 14 (Autumn 1983), pp. 366–82.
 * "The Costs and Benefits of Ownership: A Theory of Vertical and Lateral Integration" (with Sanford J. Grossman), Journal of Political Economy, August 1986, pp. 691–719.
 * "One Share-One Vote and the Market for Corporate Control" (with Sanford J. Grossman), Journal of Financial Economics, 1988
 * "Incomplete Contracts and Renegotiation" (with John Hardman Moore), Econometrica 56(4) (July 1988).
 * "Property Rights and the Nature of the Firm" (with John Hardman Moore), Journal of Political Economy 98(6) (1990).
 * " A Theory of Debt Based on the Inalienability of Human Capital" (with John Hardman Moore), Quarterly Journal of Economics, November 1994, pp. 841–879
 * "The Proper Scope of Government: Theory and an Application to Prisons" (with Andrei Shleifer and Robert W. Vishny), Quarterly Journal of Economics 112(4) (1997), pp. 1126–61.
 * "Contracts as Reference Points" (with John Hardman Moore), Quarterly Journal of Economics, February 2008, pp 1–48.

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Theoretical Computer Science (journal)

Theoretical Computer Science (TCS) is a computer science journal published by Elsevier, started in 1975 and covering theoretical computer science. The journal publishes 52 issues a year. It is abstracted and indexed by Scopus and the Science Citation Index. According to the Journal Citation Reports, its 2020 impact factor is 0.827.

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Howard Jonas

Howard S. Jonas (born 2 June 1956) is a businessman and telecom entrepreneur and the founder of IDT Corporation and Genie Energy.

Biography
Jonas graduated from The Bronx High School of Science and then received a B.A. in economics from Harvard University in 1978. Although not raised an Orthodox Jew, he funds a range of Orthodox as well as other Jewish causes across the ideological spectrum, and has made major investments in Israel as well. It is estimated that 25 to 40 percent of the 5,000 employees at IDT are Orthodox.

Career
Jonas is the founder and has been President of Jonas Media Group since its inception in 1979.

In August 1990, Jonas founded IDT Corp. (NYSE: IDT) and has been chairman of the board since its inception. He was CEO of the company from December 1991 until July 2001, president from December 1991 to September 1996 and treasurer from inception to 2002.

Jonas has also been the chairman of the board of directors of IDT Telecom, since December 1999 and a director of IDT Capital, Inc. since September 2004. He was co-chairman of the board of directors of IDT Entertainment, Inc. from November 2004 until August 2006. Since August 2006, Jonas has been a director of Starz Media Holdings, LLC, Starz Media, LLC and Starz Foreign Holdings, LLC, each of which is an affiliate of the company. Jonas is also the founder and has been president of Jonas Publishing since its inception in 1979. He was the chairman of the board of directors of Net2Phone from October 2001 to October 2004, the vice chairman of the board of directors of Net2Phone from October 2004 to June 2006 and has been the chairman since June 2006.

Jonas is the founder of Genie Energy (NYSE: GNE, GNEPRA) and has served as the chairman of its board of directors since it was spun off from IDT Corporation in October 2011. In addition, he has been a director of IDT Energy since June 2007. In 2013, Genie Energy was granted exclusive oil and gas exploration rights in the southern part of the Golan Heights by the Netanyahu government. Jonas served as CEO of Genie Energy from January 2014 until November 2017.

In May 2017, the businessman and telecom speculator agreed to sell one of his companies, Straight Path Communications, a long-struggling wireless venture, to Verizon Communications for $3.1 billion.

Jonas is chairman of the board and chief executive officer at Rafael Holdings. He has been a director of Rafael Pharmaceuticals since April 2013 and was appointed chairman of the board in April 2016. Together with industry professionals, he is guiding the company's Phase 3 FDA trials of an anti-cancer drug.

Publications
In 2006, Jonas published his second book: I'm Not the Boss, I Just Work Here. An article by Jonas entitled "But Will Good Character Pay My Bills?" appeared in an anthology of articles compiled and edited by Moshe Kaplan in 2008 entitled Be a Mensch,. He also wrote a book called On a Roll.

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. — J I P | Talk 11:23, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Manditory
Appears to self-promote a band. Their slim discography is either unavailable or in process, not likely a band who is self-listed as "legendary". 71.110.146.47 17:10, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. vanity. Andrew pmk | Talk 19:11, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete seems to fail WP:MUSIC --Apyule 07:43, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
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KCC Corporation

KCC Corporation (renamed from Kumkang Korea Chemicals Co., Ltd. in 2005) is a South Korean chemical and auto parts manufacturer, headquartered in Seoul, South Korea.

Operations
KCC's products include various kinds of paints, float glass, soft sponges, silicon, chassis, and car parts. This company is the biggest provider of construction materials and paints in South Korea. Various types of industrial materials such as epoxy moulding compound, alumina metallizing, silicone etc. are produced in 13 domestic locations.

KCC Corporation has 9 overseas liaison offices and 7 overseas factories over the world:
 * KCC Houston (Texas, U.S. - Liaison Office)
 * KCC Tokyo (Tokyo, Japan - Liaison Office)
 * KCC Hong Kong (Hong Kong, China - Liaison Office)
 * KCC Dubai (Dubai, U.A.E. - Liaison Office)
 * KCC Greece (Piraeus, Greece - Liaison Office)
 * KCC Hamburg (Hamburg, Germany - Liaison Office)
 * KCC Iran (Teheran, Iran - Liaison Office)
 * KCC Shanghai (Shanghai, China - Liaison Office)
 * KCC Kunshan (Shanghai, China - Paint Factory)
 * KCC Beijing (Beijing, China - Paint Factory)
 * KCC Guangzhou (Guangzhou, China - Paint Factory)
 * KCC Singapore (Singapore - Paint Factory)
 * KCC Malaysia (Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia - Paint Factory)
 * KCC India (Chennai, India - Paint Factory)
 * KCC Turkey (Istanbul, Turkey - Paint Factory)
 * KCC Poland (Lublin, Poland - Liaison Office)
 * KCC Vietnam (Ho Chi Minh, VietNam - Liaison Office)

Purchasing Basildon Chemical
In April 2011, Basildon Chemicals was purchased by the KCC Corporation. KCC expanded into silicone emulsification with the acquisition.

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Đinh dynasty

The Đinh dynasty (triều Đinh; Chữ Hán: 朝丁; or Nhà Đinh; Chữ Nôm: 茹丁), officially Great Cồ Việt (Đại Cồ Việt; Chữ Hán: 大瞿越), was a Vietnamese dynasty. It was founded in 968 when Đinh Bộ Lĩnh vanquished the upheavals of Twelve warlords and ended when the son of Đinh Bộ Lĩnh, Đinh Toàn, ceded the throne to Lê Hoàn in 980.

Origin and rise to power
The Đinh family originated from the village of Hoa Lư, Jinghai kingdom in modern-day Ninh Bình province, northern Vietnam. Đinh Bộ Lĩnh's father, Đinh Công Trứ had served both Dương Đình Nghệ and Ngô Quyền as governor of Hoan Châu (modern-day the city of Vinh). According to Chinese accounts, Bộ Lĩnh succeed his father as Duke of Hoan. His father died when he was a child and he lived with his mother and other family members in a holy temple near a mountain in Hoa Lư. Đinh Bộ Lĩnh had a sister named Đinh Quế Hương. Around 940s, the young Đinh Bộ Lĩnh emerged as a leader of villages youth, who played "royal games" in which Bộ Lĩnh was the king. The tradition folk said he had them collect wood for his mother, who slaughtered a pig and put on a feast. Villagers sensed a grim future leader: "We’d better follow him now before it is too late." They delivered their youths to Bộ Lĩnh, and he set up a base on land of his uncle, who refused to submit to him. Bộ Lĩnh sent his friends to attack the uncle, who pursued him, found him trapped under a collapsed bridge, and almost intended to kill him, but then saw two yellow dragons flying above. The uncle withdrew and later submitted to him. Historian Oliver W. Wolters termed the story as a "man of prowess" possessing the "soul stuff" befitting a chief.

In 951, he began challenging the royal authority of the ruling Ngô family. Two king Ngô Xương Ngập and Ngô Xương Văn sent a force tried suppressing Bộ Lĩnh that failed but captured Đinh Bộ Lĩnh's son, Đinh Liễn as a hostage. The two kings suspended Lien from a pole in plain view of Bộ Lĩnh and shouted that he would be killed unless Bộ Lĩnh submitted. Bộ Lĩnh angrily replied, "How can a great man compromise a great affair simply because of his son?" Bộ Lĩnh ordered more than ten arrows shot in Liễn's direction. The two kings were horrified and withdrew their troops.

After Đinh Liễn was able to escaped and returned to Hoa Lư, Đinh Bộ Lĩnh went to convinced Trần Lãm, another warlord who occupied Bố Hải Khẩu (modern-day Thái Bình province) as his ally. When king Ngô Xương Văn was killed during a battle in 965 and the country fells into chaotic civil wars between warlords, Đinh Bộ Lĩnh and Đinh Liễn commanded their army subdued the highland tribes, then took capital Cổ Loa in the same year. Two years later, he defeated or had all the warlords submitted, pacified the country at the age of 43. In 967, Bộ Lĩnh assigned his son Liễn the title "King of Nam Viet". The only survivor of the previous Ngô family, Ngô Nhật Khánh submitted to Bộ Lĩnh, and he gave one of his own daughters, Princess Phất Kim in marriage with Nhật Khánh. After that, Ngô Nhật Khánh took his wife and fled to the south. He scolded her face and hatred of her father, and he went exiled in Champa.

Ruling period
In 968, Đinh Bộ Lĩnh established the kingdom of Đại Cồ Việt, relocated the capital to his home in Hoa Lư. At first he styled himself as Vạn Thắng Vương (Great Vanquishing King), then proclaimed the title emperor. In 970 Đinh Bộ Lĩnh made his reign era Thái Bình (chữ Hán: 太平), issued the coin mining and started the tradition of Vietnamese cash coins. Đinh Bộ Lĩnh established 5 queens. In 971, Đinh Bộ Lĩnh officially published his appointments to the chief court positions. Nguyễn Bặc was placed at the head of the nobility, with the title "Nation Establishing Duke" (Định Quốc Công). Lê Hoàn, a 35-year-old military officer from Ái (Thanh Hoá) was appointed as the commander of the royal army.

The Đinh family established the official religious organization in incorporating Taoists and Buddhists in an administrative hierarchy. Bộ Lĩnh awarded additional titles such as "Buddhist Priest Overseer" to Đại Việt's ranking monks, and in 971 assigned Buddhism's top position, that of great preceptor (đại sư) for reforming the Việt (khuông Việt), to the patriarch of the Vô Ngôn Thông sect, Ngô Chân Lưu, who occupied the post until his death forty years later. Another Buddhist priest, Trương Ma-ni and a Taoist priest, Đặng Huyền Quang were given the title "Buddhist Priest Overseer" (Tăng lực đạo sĩ) and "Noble and Upright Majesty". Đinh Bộ Lĩnh also established shrines to the gods of earth and agriculture. In 973, Prince Đinh Liễn erected one hundred ratanadhvaja  stone columns contain Uṣṇīṣa Vijaya Dhāraṇī sutras (written in Classical Chinese) in order to generate merits to help liberate the spirit of his deceased brother. Liễn established another hundred tantric pillars in 979, aiming to gain a healthy perpetuation of the kingdom. Archaeological efforts from 1963 to 1987 have recovered 20 of those stone pillars.

In 972 Đinh Bộ Lĩnh sent tribute envoys include cloth, rhinoceros horns, elephant tusks and perfumed tea to the Song dynasty of China. The Song responded by sending an embassy to Dai Viet and awarding the title "King of Jiaozhi Prefecture" to Bộ Lĩnh; that title was given to Vietnamese monarchs by the Song emperors until 1174.

Assassination and dynasty transition
In October 979, a eunuch named Đỗ Thích killed the emperor Đinh Bộ Lĩnh and prince Đinh Liễn while they were sleeping in the palace at night. The general Lê Hoàn took power as regent while five-year-old Đinh Toàn occupied the throne. Rebellions erupted. At this juncture, the Song sent troops under Hou Renbao in attempt to restore the throne of the young prince. However, the threat of renewed Chinese intervention in Vietnam caused court officials to support Lê Hoàn's bid for power. They urged him to become king and establish a more stable government, prepare for the Chinese invasion. In 980, officials and generals gathered at Hoa Lư and empress Dương Vân Nga brought out the emperor's robe to put on Lê Hoàn, offered him the throne, and subsequently ended the rule of the Đinh dynasty and transferred power to the Lê family.

Descendants
After 980, Đinh Bộ Lĩnh's deposed son Đinh Toàn still held a position in the military. However, in 1000 a rebellion erupted in Phong (modern-day Phú Thọ province), Mường rebels trapped the royal army on the Đà River, and Đinh Toàn was killed on his boat.

Foreign relations
From 970 to 975, Đinh Bộ Lĩnh established the status of Đại Việt as a protectorate and tributary state of the Song dynasty to gain Chinese recognition of the independence of Đại Việt. The tributary relationship would last until the French protectorate was established in 1883.

Legacy
The Đinh clan was the first fully independent Vietnamese dynasty. These early Vietnamese warrior-monarchs of Hoa Lư endorsed Vietnamese Buddhism as monks made themselves indispensable to the royal family.

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Talk:Curse of the pharaohs

Ingram/Ingham
Paragraph 4 of "Opening of King Tutankhamun's tomb" refers to Sir Bruce Ingram/Ingham, and it cannot be both. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.76.1.62 (talk) 20:48, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism
Err, is the "If you say so, King Tut" comment below the image really appropriate for an encyclopedia article? It seems to ridicule the superstition in question rather than inform, either about the legend itself or the natural explanations of the events. (Furthermore, the article goes on to indicate that King Tut did not say so.) 84.48.89.5 17:11, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

I have removed the Conan Doyle reference. Unless it is referring to Adrian Conan Doyle, it cannot be true. In 1922, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was a well established feller, around 63, well published, and died about 8 years later. I seriously doubt he was a cub reporter. - MJB, 64.142.36.76 23:17, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Well spotted. I've swapped the external link that gave that version of the story for another that includes Sir Arthur's involvement in a chronologically more logical way. Moral: don't believe everything you read on the internet. –Hajor 21:34, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't believe that. - DavidWBrooks 22:27, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I have to agree that it is a superb moral that should be followed by everyone.Too many people rely on the internet for information, when really their brains would help them a lot more! JBeeldman 16:34, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Curse? What curse?
How can it be a curse, Carvarnon died from a infection, even if he had a infection, how could a infection kill someone, why was Howard Carter not cursed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.104.165.26 (talk • contribs) 11:31, 28 August 2006 Another theory has been religion, and the consequences differ, but ahh folktale! Hi, I'm an expert on Egyptian curses - see my book "The Mummy's Curse: Mummymania in the English-speaking World" (Routledge 2006) and my recent amendments to several parts of the attached article. Being an anthropologist, I contend that the curse is a discourse in the Foucaultian sense (a widely held belief masquerading as "truth", with sociopolitical consequences). This is why its function, and hence that of mummies, has changed significantly over time, from something to threaten un-Christian tomb desecrators in the 19th century to something to entertain horror fans and children in the 20th century. A phenomenon that is caused by natural phenomena, such as bacteria or radiation, would behave consistently and produce predictable and patterned results - but the curse, being a discourse, is applied and interpreted in haphazard fashion. So some will say Carter defied the curse, so that it can't exist, while others will say that he endured a "living curse" of obsession with Egyptology (as per the film "The Curse of King Tut's Tomb", 1980). The latter is, of course, a highly subjective view but so is the former, for if the curse is not explicable as (exclusively) bacteria/radiation, then it can't be "disproven", any more than the existence of Santa Claus can be disproven (or proven). The curse is a discourse, and discourses are applied in whatever way suits the purposes of their users. I must admit a personal frustration that my study of the curse concept, which is the most comprehensive research on the subject to date and fairly well known in Egyptological circles, did not get much media publicity, such that even Wikipedia did not reference it. IMO I have "solved" the curse of the pharaohs "riddle" - namely that the curse is a discourse (with functions I explain in detail), and therefore all talk of its "reality" or ability to be "proven" is completely off the mark now that the entire ground of the argument has shifted. I have nevertheless tried to keep my modifications to the Wikipedia page neutral and to avoid dominating the discussion, although I think that a couple more of my own research points need to be mentioned and the subsection structure/titling may need changing if the "can we prove the curse is real or not" idea is also to be prevented from dominating the discussion as it presently does. No disrespect to the previous author(s) though; my thanks to the writer(s) for devoting a Wikipedia page to a subject that is elsewhere presented in highly subjective and unreliable terms. Dr Jasmine Day203.206.20.3 (talk) 19:05, 20 December 2011 (UTC) 21 December 2011 (yes, it took until now for me to find time to search for my favourite subject in Wikipedia ...) ;)

Subsequent to my above remarks, I have been told that I am "advertising my book". How can an author then reference his/her own work on Wikipedia? Aren't academic and expert contributors welcome? I wasted 2 hours of my time trying to make a contribution, to have it instantly deleted by somebody I can't even directly contact. I take the point about conflict of interest but if there's no provision for experts to cite their own work, they need not bother coming here. This was my first, and will be my last, Wikipedia contribution. Thanks for nothing. Jasmine Day203.206.20.3 (talk) 19:31, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

 * As a author with a book related to the subject I think the general consensus is that you discuss it at the talk page before adding it to the page (see here) OSbornarfcontribs. 19:52, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I made several additions to the article a while back using the books I had to hand but was unaware of Jasmine Day's work at the time. The edits she has made are uncontroversial and as there isn't much in the way of academic literature on the subject it would be a great pity to leave this book out - it shouldn't be interpreted as book pushing imo. I would also encourage a small addition to the article that expanded on her discursive model. As an aside, I don't believe the Howard Carter scenario mentioned above isn't so black and white for those who give credence to such phenomena, e.g Howard Carter did love Ancient Egypt and came from a very humble background and that the "power" behind such curses can discriminate between the things done in ignorance (the awful way the Kings body was handled, judged by modern standards) and those done for self-glory or through greed. I don't edit anymore so I will simply reinsert the deleted text.  Yt95 (talk) 16:00, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi again, I was pleased to see that my contributions to the page have been reinstated. I take the point that expert contributions must be declared before inclusion (as a Wikipedia newbie with little time to spare for reading all the fine print I was unfamiliar with this point). But I'm relieved that Yt95 appreciates that 'The edits [I have] made are uncontroversial and as there isn't much in the way of academic literature on the subject it would be a great pity to leave this book out'. IMO there is yet more information that could be added to flesh out this page - not just from my own book but also from others' books - but for now the information there looks more balanced with a discussion of real curses, cultural beliefs, deaths attributed to Tutankhamun's Curse, etc. A major omission is discussion of the Titanic Mummy Curse, the most famous curse prior to Tutankhamun's, the many and conflicting versions of which demonstrate how popular myths "snowball" over time and develop local/parochial versions. If anything I would add material like this to the page, not remove much from it, although IMO too much space is devoted to a specious "curse" (ie. personal belief, not culture-wide myth) dreamed up by Zahi Hawass. This could be shortened and other examples of "copycat" curse stories in 1970s-2000s mass media included, with references (there are many tabloid stories, for instance). Interpretation of curses as scientifically explicable phenomena need to be contextualised with a brief discussion of the 1970s-80s mania for pseudoscience (eg. von Daniken, Vandenberg) and paranormal investigations (eg. In Search Of; Arthur C. Clarke's Mysterious World). The key is to provide an outline of wider phenomena like this that contextualise attempts to explain curses in recent decades, without getting sidetracked into lengthy accounts of these phenomena. It all comes back to my main point that the various ways of explaining curses, from magic in the 19th century to science in the 20th, point to the fact that the curse is a DISCOURSE, not a phenomenon per se. With this argument, the whole ground for discussing and debating Egyptian curses has shifted, making conventional "is it real or not" discussions outdated and way off the mark. Thanks again for considering my ideas. ~ Jasmine Day — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.7.183.77 (talk) 16:28, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I think your thesis is indeed worthy of inclusion but it should not be stated as a proven fact the same way that anything to do with religion (in this case acts of impiety) can be said to be solved conclusively one way or other. One of the Egyptologists named in the article (Arthur Weigall) did draw a distinction between those who entered a tomb to rob and those modern excavators who sought to preserve and entered a tomb with reverence - no harm ever came to the latter. He believed that in some mysterious way he spoke as a prophet when he observed Lord Carnavon entering the tomb that day in a somewhat flippant manner and made the "six weeks to live" comment. I would even hesitate to suggest that all scholars reject the idea of "magic", which includes curses, completely out of hand. Whilst none that I know have ever publicly given credence to its efficacy there are two 19/20th scholars that I have read that in private not only believed in it but used it which I find surprising. What I don't believe is that there is any consensus amongst scholars, not just Egyptologists, that impiety towards the graves of the dead never provokes ill-luck or whatever for the simple reason that many do have spiritual beliefs. (see also see how kindly they spoke of Dorothy Eady) Whilst magic decoupled from any moral considerations was practised in Ancient Egypt that was never the whole story hence the frequent pairing of Maat with Heka (god) and prayers that have survived by people who believed they had been punished justly by the "dead"/Gods for wrong doing. The incident mentioned by Zahi Hawass I found of interest through researching the texts from Deir el-Medina a couple of years and it was quite striking how King Amhmose and his wife were treated as strong intercessors from beyond the grave in a very similar manner to the way patron saints are appealed to by millions of people today. It was also an example of how the dead were supposed to help the living for the many who believe such things and that mummies, possibly contrary to Hollywood horror movies, were never regarded as conduit for curses exclusively. I also agree that the article would be improved by sections that deal more generally with the subject and that would include some context for mummification, e.g a short section on Osirian beliefs and burial practices and perhaps even a very short section on curses in general in the context of the Ancient Near East - remembering that they also appear in the bible which for many is an inspired collection of books. Finally I saw recently a documentary which showed a mummy being ever so carefully restored such that it looked as if it had been only just been wrapped and maybe it was no coincidence that such reverent treatment was being done in the Vatican Museum - all credit to them. Yt95 (talk) 21:42, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Photo Caption
I'm a bit confused--the article states that the text of the "curse" is not actually found inscribed at the entrance to the tomb (and implies that it was an improper news article), while the photo caption states that the inscription is in fact found at the tomb. Any experts on this? Bdmccray (talk) 00:32, 29 September 2008 (UTC) Yeah, that is wierd. Why didn't Howard Carter die if this "curse" is real?

Citation needed
I've put a "citation needed" tag on the following sentence: "Many tombs of pharoahs have curses written on or around them, warning against entering". I've done so because I've heard from several sources that this is not true; some claim there are no known engraved curses on ANY Egyptian tomb. Therefore I feel that if we are going to have this sentence in the article, it needs a reference. --Stenun (talk) 04:28, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Augustus
erm... I've removed the following entry from the list ===Deaths popularly attributed to Tutankhamun's 'curse'===

 * Octavian Augustus is credited with stealing Cleopatra's treasure, some of which may date back to pharaonic times. His mysterious death in 14 AD is possibly caused by a curse. Among the booty was a ring inscribed with the eye of Osiris which had brought along the curse.

Augustus died aged 75 - some 44 years after defeating Antony & Cleopatra... it's not a very effective curse if it takes more than 40 years to warm up, and then kills a man who had already reached old age...

90.244.140.51 (talk) 13:34, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Biased
I think you should have more supporting evidence as to what exactly makes people believe in the curse. You include some but i think more is needed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taybrown (talk • contribs) 00:50, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

 * People believe in all kind of superstitions and curses. In the case of the tombs I would take that to be an ancient form of disinformation to make people stay away from the treasures in the tombs. Why do people think it is necessary to kneel and pray? They just believe this is right, no rational explanation needed.

 * What I find most fascinating though is that Carnarvon died only "4 months and 7 days after the opening of the tomb" and yet his family castle has got replicas of what was in the tomb, including the famous Tut mask. We saw it on TV, just a glimpse, looked quite impressive. Was there enough time for him to order all these replicas to be made? He funded the excavations, did he/his heirs get nothing for his investment? Some of the Tut mask is glass, other blue bits are lapis lazuli. While glass existed in Tut's time, it would be interesting to explore whether they could make these parts of different sizes. Just some thoughts, superstitions like curses do not need explanations. 58.174.193.15 (talk) 03:16, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Tutankhamen curse inscription
The article notes Despite popular misconceptions, no curse was actually found inscribed in the Pharaoh's (nb: Tutankhamen's) tomb. I'm trying to track down the source for how this misconception began. I'm wondering though whether this statement isn't intentionally misleading. The claim I've seen made is that the curse was outside the tomb--not inside it. And indeed if your goal were to keep people out of your tomb by informing them of a curse, it wouldn't make much sense to tell them once they've already breached the tomb. 24.90.168.106 (talk) 18:45, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

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عننو 37.237.247.16 (talk) 13:06, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:More Cowbell

Requested move 7 March 2017

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. This encyclopedia could use some more cowbell. (non-admin closure) TonyBallioni (talk) 02:12, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Recording Session (More Cowbell) → More Cowbell – WP:COMMON NAME. Nobody calls it "Recording Session", not even NBC, as the article notes. Most of the sources here call it the more cowbell sketch. JFH (talk) 22:04, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. This article was at More Cowbell or More cowbell from its 2005 creation until its recent undiscussed move on 12 Feb. Station1 (talk) 23:10, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Certainly per More Cowbell (and nom, and longtime name) Randy Kryn 02:14, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

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The Jungle Book (2016 film) reference
In The Jungle Book (2016 film) a cowbell rouses Christopher Walken. Should this be in the pop culture section? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:56, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Probably not, unless you have a reliable source that connects it directly to this sketch as some kind of inside joke. Otherwise, it would be considered WP:OR. Station1 (talk) 22:15, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Station1. I saw this and this and this and there may be more. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:49, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * And, , and . Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:50, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Well in that case, go for it! Station1 (talk) 23:08, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Splendid. :) I'm just off to bed. I will within a couple of days unless you (hint hint :)) or someone else does. Best wishes and many thanks for the guidance. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:13, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Correction on authorship of the sketch
According to this oral history of the sketch, with all of the major participants discussing its creation, the Saturday Night Live cast and director all appear to agree that the sketch was written by Chris Parnell, who revised it over the course of several years. The Wikipedia entry inaccurately attributes its writing to Will Farrell. Instead, his major contribution conceptually, aside from his performance, was deciding to wear a shirt that was too small, exposing his belly as he played the cowbell. As one of the most famous comedy sketches of all time, it seems like credit should be accurately given to the actual writer, Chris Parnell, who worked on it for several years' time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.130.226.113 (talk) 06:01, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

If you read that article a little more carefully, you'll see it was written by "Asher and John Try Comedy". It was written by a pair of comediennes. The whole article is written rather tongue-in-cheek, contains some rather outlandish "facts", and is, in my opinion, a work of fiction. Unless you have some other source that says that Parnell wrote the script, rather than Farrell, I think you should just ignore the above "source". Gcronau (talk) 23:20, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Suggestion to change article image
Currently, the photo at the top of the article is of Christopher Walken (as Bruce Dickinson). While he is a prominent character featured in the sketch, it seems prudent that the article for More Cowbell have the titular cowbell prominently on display. Additionally, a photo of the band playing is more representative of the sketch as a whole than one zoomed in on Walken alone.

Ideally, a shot featuring all characters would be used, although the low resolution of the video in most of its available locations, combined with the artifacts associated with the video, mean that most wide shots ultimately do a poor job at recognizably portraying the characters.

Using the official YouTube upload of the sketch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVsQLlk-T0s) a good candidate for a title image can be found at 1:09, immediately when the camera changes shot (use comma and period keys to shift frame-by-frame). The first frame after the cut nicely represents Will Ferrell preparing to strike the cowbell and prominently features his character, the cowbell, and the lead singer, who is irked by the cowbell-playing. This therefore serves as a better representation of the sketch than Walken.

The photo of Walken would, however, work well if moved down to live alongside the Synopsis section.

Placement in the episode
I have removed this: "The sketch was put near the end of the episode, where more offbeat/odd sketches often air."

This is not true. I have a recording of the original broadcast and it's the very first sketch after Walken's monologue. You can see a timestamp here. Soulnus (talk) 08:07, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

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Phillip Roth

Phillip Roth may refer to:

 * Phil Roth (1930–2002), American television and film actor
 * Philipp Roth (1853–1898), German cellist
 * Phillip J. Roth (born 1959), American producer, director and screenwriter

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Harlan County War

The Harlan County War, or Bloody Harlan, was a series of coal industry skirmishes, executions, bombings and strikes (both attempted and realized) that took place in Harlan County, Kentucky, during the 1930s. The incidents involved coal miners and union organizers on one side and coal firms and law enforcement officials on the other. The Harlan County coal miners campaigned and fought to organize their workplaces and better their wages and working conditions. It was a nearly decade-long conflict, lasting from 1931 to 1939. Before its conclusion, an unknown number of miners, deputies and bosses would be killed, state and federal troops would occupy the county more than half a dozen times, two acclaimed folk singers would emerge, union membership would oscillate wildly and workers in the nation's most anti-labor coal county would ultimately be represented by a union.

History
On February 16, 1931, to maximize profits, the Harlan County Coal Operators' Association cut miners' wages by 10%. Reacting to the unrest created within Harlan's impoverished labor force, the United Mine Workers of America (UMW) attempted to organize the county's miners. Employees who were known by their bosses to be union members were fired and evicted from their company-owned homes. Before long, most of the remaining workforce had gone on strike in solidarity. Only three of Harlan's incorporated towns were not owned by mines, hungry and evicted workers and their families sought refuge in them, primarily in the town of Evarts. They found sympathy there with spurned politicians and business owners who wished to see the company stores vanish. At the peak of the first strike, 5,800 miners were idle and only 900 working. The strikebreakers were protected by private mine guards with full county deputy privileges, who were legally able to exercise their powers with impunity outside the walls of their employers. They operated under Sheriff J. H. Blair, a man who made his allegiance to the mine owners clear, "I did all in my power to aid the operators ... there was no compromise when labor troubles swept the county and the 'Reds' came to Harlan County". The citizens of Harlan, for their part, lost any illusions they may have held about impartiality in law enforcement. Songwriter Florence Reece reported,

"Sheriff J. H. Blair and his men came to our house in search of Sam – that's my husband – he was one of the union leaders. I was home alone with our seven children. They ransacked the whole house and then kept watch outside, waiting to shoot Sam down when he came back. But he didn't come home that night. Afterward I tore a sheet from a calendar on the wall and wrote the words to 'Which Side Are You On?' to an old Baptist hymn, 'Lay the Lily Low'. My songs always goes to the underdog – to the worker. I'm one of them and I feel like I've got to be with them. There's no such thing as neutral. You have to be on one side or the other. Some people say, 'I don't take sides – I'm neutral.' There's no such thing. In your mind you're on one side or the other. In Harlan County there wasn't no neutral. If you wasn't a gun thug, you was a union man. You had to be."

Strikers exchanged gunfire with private guards and local law enforcement; strikebreakers were set upon and beaten. The most violent attack by mine workers occurred on May 5, 1931, and became known as the Battle of Evarts. The miners lay in ambush for cars delivering materials to strikebreakers and shot at them. Three company men and one striker were killed in the exchange.

The Kentucky National Guard was called in. The strikers expected protection but upon replacing deputized mine guards, the National Guard broke the picket lines instead. On May 24 a union rally was tear-gassed and Sheriff Blair rescinded county members' right to assemble. By June 17, the last mine had returned to work. No concessions were given by the mine operators and UMW membership plummeted.

In the wake of the UMW failure, the Communist National Miners Union (NMU) made a brief play for Harlan County. Though most workers felt disillusioned with organized labor, the NMU's radical ideology gained some support, ten local lodges sprang up before the Harlan County NMU was officially chartered. The smaller but more passionate NMU made greater relief efforts than the UMW, opening several soup kitchens in the county. Their attempts at strikes, while weak in surrounding counties, were utter failures in Harlan, where only a fraction of the workforce walked out in 1931 and 1932. Several events broke the NMU's foothold, local labor organizers, many of them clergy, learned of the Communist leadership's animosity toward religion and denounced the organization, Young Communist League organizer Harry Simms was killed in Harlan and the American Red Cross and local charities, who had been unwilling to take sides in a labor dispute, began giving aid to blacklisted miners who were unemployable as the NMU's financial troubles necessitated the closing of its soup kitchens.

Under the auspices of the National Industrial Recovery Act, which promoted the right to organize one's workplace and outlawed discrimination and firing based on union membership, approximately half of Harlan's coal mines, those in the Harlan County Coal Operators' Association, were run as open shops from October 27, 1933 – March 31, 1935. An open shop allows union membership but does not mandate it. Wages at these mines came into step with the rest of the nation. Despite headway by the unions, the battle for Harlan County between labor and capital continued. Sheriff Blair was voted out of office in 1933 and died in 1934, replaced by T. R. Middleton, a candidate who ran on a pro-union platform. The Kentucky National Guard was once again called in on December 8, 1934, requested by UMW organizers who had been threatened by bosses and deputies. The troops promptly escorted the union men to the county line. As national political support for the NIRA dwindled, capital gained the upper hand, and when the United States Supreme Court struck down the legislation's pro-union National Recovery Administration portion, shops with union presence in Harlan dwindled from eighteen to one.

Where the NIRA had been toothless in Harlan, the Wagner Act of 1935 proved itself a far greater thorn in the side of Harlan County's mine operators. It outlawed yellow-dog contracts, company unions, blacklists and discrimination on basis of union activity, all tactics employed by coal companies. While coal interests across the nation fell into step with the new legislation in 1935, Harlan was as resistant to federal meddling as it had ever been. On July 7, a group of deputies, enraged at a public celebration of the Wagner Act, dispersed the crowd by beating several miners. The year 1935 proved to be turbulent, even for Harlan; troops were deployed to maintain order in the county three times. On September 29, troops were dispatched on behalf of the miners for the first time in the Harlan County War, the governor referring to the beatings and harassment at the hands of the mine guards as "the worst reign of terror in the history of the county." He protected the miners despite the fact that a bomb had killed Harlan County Attorney Elmon Middleton several weeks earlier.

Impact
Author and activist Theodore Dreiser conducted an investigation under the auspices of the National Committee for the Defense of Political Prisoners (NCDPP) of the American Communist Party. With contributions by John dos Passos, Samuel Ornitz and others, Dreiser produced a report called Harlan Miners Speak: Report on Terrorism in the Kentucky Coal Fields. The Dreiser Committee also discovered the labor folk singer Aunt Molly Jackson and her younger half-brother Jim Garland, putting them on a tour of 38 states to raise funds for the strikers. Florence Reece, wife of organizer Sam Reece, wrote the labor standard "Which Side Are You On?".

California labor activist Caroline Decker first became involved in union activities during the Harlan County War, when she and her sister participated in relief activities for striking miners. The 1976 documentary film Harlan County, USA, winner of the 1977 Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature, focuses on similar labor violence of the 1970s but refers to the 1930s violence as context. (Florence Reece appears in the film.) The 2000 television movie Harlan County War starred Holly Hunter.

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Talk:List of Quebec provincial highways

Renumbering?
When were the highways renumbered? My guess would be about 1970, but I don't really know. Also, I thought I remember that the 100-200-300 numbers indicated the importance and/or quality of the road and not their geographical relationship to the St Lawrence River ... Anyone have answers? --N5UWY/9 - plaws

 * I have the 1972 Rand McNally road atlas. It has highways marked with extra numbers in red, and a note identifying these as new numbers to be taking effect over the next two years: 1973-1974. GBC 18:13, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

 * That sounds about right to me. I wonder if someone has a canonical source?  Of course, you could add your date with the citation and hope someone corrects it.  :-)  --N5UWY/9 - plaws 18:26, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

 * The original proposal dates to 1966 (originally with the intent of doing this before Expo 67, a move which didn't happen) so early 1970s is plausible. K7L (talk) 23:14, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

200/300
I looked at the MTQ site. Sure enough, 200/300 indicates location relative to the river and not quality of roadway. News to me. :-) Was it always that way?  --N5UWY/9 - plaws 17:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

 * As noted elsewhere, the Secondary Roads were designated to coordinate with the Primary roads and Autoroutes following Expo 67...some were previous minor provincial highways, others just secondary roads, some were former routes superceded by Autoroutes, etc. The numbering system just following the pattern in the USA of their Interstates, with the event Quebec would become an independent state....

Bacl-presby 17:50, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

 * You missed my point. I was certain that I'd learned (in driver ed (in 1979, just after the first big re-write of the Highway Code) that 100s were primary (after Autoroutes), 200s were secondary, and 300s were tertiary.  MTQ's site now clearly says that 200 and 300 are both secondary and that the difference is geographical.  --N5UWY/9 - plaws 22:42, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Naming
The MTQ always uses Route X in French, but mostly Highway X in English; it appears Route is French for Highway. As for the pre-1970s numbers, I have a scan of part of a 1935 (official?) map that includes a drawing of a shield, with Route above the number. It is labeled Numére indicateur de route and Road Marker.

So whatever we decide on, we should probably use the same convention for pre-1970s and post-1970s. This won't cause conflicts due to the numbering. But do we want to use Route (the French word, which happens to be a word in English) or Highway (the translation that MTQ uses, at least on their site)? --SPUI (T - C) 12:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Pre-1970s routes
(mostly from a 1968 map) 12 and on seem like less-major routes, except for 17, which was numbered to match Ontario.
 * Route 1: Montreal-Quebec: Route 112, Route 173, Route 171
 * Route 2: Ontario-New Brunswick: Route 338, Autoroute 20, Route 138, Route 132, crossed at Quebec, Route 138, Route 185
 * Route 3: New York-Quebec: Route 132
 * Route 4: New York-Montreal: Route 138
 * Route 5: Vermont-Quebec: Route 143, Route 116
 * Route 6: Mont-Joli-Mont-Joli: Route 132
 * Route 7: Vermont-Montreal: Route 133, Route 104
 * Route 8: Montreal-Ontario: Route 148
 * Route 9: New York-Quebec: Autoroute 15, Route 116
 * Route 10: Riviere-du-Loup-Mont-Joli: Route 132
 * Route 11: Montreal-Hull: Route 117, Route 105
 * Route 17: Ontario-Dorion: Route 342

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The Tolkien Ensemble

The Tolkien Ensemble (founded in 1995) is a Danish ensemble which created "the world's first complete musical interpretation of the poems and songs from The Lord of the Rings". They published four CDs from 1997 to 2005, in which all the poems and songs of The Lord of the Rings are set to music. The project was approved by the Tolkien Estate. Queen Margrethe II of Denmark gave permission to use her illustrations on the CD covers.

Permanent members are Caspar Reiff and Peter Hall (composition, singing and guitar), Signe Asmussen (singing), Øyvind Ougaard (accordion), Katja Nielsen (double-bass), and Morten Ryelund Sørensen (conductor and violin). The ensemble have been described as elves, Tolkien's refined Middle-earth race, in contrast to the more rustic hobbit-like groups such as Brocéliande and the Hobbitons. Scholars have praised their settings as among the most atmospheric recordings of Tolkien's poems.

History

Composer Caspar Reiff founded the Tolkien Ensemble in Copenhagen in autumn 1995. At that time, Reiff (1971) was studying guitar at the Royal Danish Academy of Music in Copenhagen. He formed an ensemble consisting of fellow students from the Academy and his former guitar teacher, the composer and musician Peter Hall (1946), LLCM (TD) London College of Music.

The goal set by the two composers, Reiff and Hall, was to create the world's first complete musical interpretation of the poems from J. R. R. Tolkien's "masterpiece" The Lord of the Rings. The ensemble, which was to form the base of this vision, was named 'The Tolkien Ensemble' — entirely devoted to the works of Tolkien. The ensemble first took shape with a group of invited musicians in January 1996 at the Royal Danish Academy of Music. The founder members (other than Reiff and Hall) were Mads Thiemann, Mette Tjærby, Ole Norup & Signe Asmussen.

The Tolkien Ensemble's first concert took place at Gjorslev Castle on 21 January 1996; this was followed by concerts in Denmark. In January 1997, Reiff and Peter Hall were granted permission by the Tolkien Estate to record the first 12 songs from The Lord of the Rings.

The two composers chose the young Danish conductor Morten Ryelund as producer and this was to have a major influence on the interpretation of the music and the project as a whole. Ryelund later became a full member of the Tolkien Ensemble and the ensemble was granted permission by Queen Margrethe II of Denmark to use her illustrations on the CD cover. These unique illustrations, created when she was Crown Princess of Denmark, became a recurrent feature on all the ensemble's later CDs.

The first album, An Evening in Rivendell, was released in autumn 1997 to widespread critical acclaim. A number of concerts followed. Notably, in a 1998 concert in Oxford, the audience included members of the Tolkien family, to the ensemble's delight.

An Evening in Rivendell was followed by the 2000 release A Night in Rivendell. The album contained more sombre songs from the Lord of The Rings; the ensemble worked with, among others, the singers Povl Dissing, who sang the part of Gollum, Kurt Ravn (Legolas) and Ulrik Cold (Gandalf).

Interest in The Lord of the Rings grew dramatically in 2001 when Peter Jackson started to release his films of Tolkien's books. The Tolkien Ensemble was invited to take part in the Danish premiere of the first film in the Jackson's trilogy: The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring. Among the celebrities representing the film in Copenhagen was the actor Christopher Lee, who played the traitorous wizard Saruman. The Tolkien Ensemble invited him to take part in their third album, At Dawn in Rivendell, partly as narrator and partly as singer of Treebeard's songs. Lee's cooperation, combined with the growing interest for the work of Tolkien, resulted in a huge success for the album. It was released in 22 countries, was widely played by radio stations, and received excellent reviews. The International Herald Tribune called it "Total Lord of the Rings magic!" At Dawn in Rivendell later sold well worldwide. The cooperation with Lee developed to include concerts. In the autumn of 2002, Lee took part in a release concert at Tivoli Concert Hall. Then followed a major tour of, among other countries, England and Sweden, culminating in the summer of 2003 when the ensemble gave a concert in Denmark for an audience including HM Queen Margrethe II of Denmark and Prince Henrik of Denmark.

In 2004 the two composers, Reiff and Hall, together with Lee, took part in a major sell-out concert in Concertgebouw, Amsterdam. In 2005 The Tolkien Ensemble played at two major Lord of the Rings concerts at Ledreborg Castle, Denmark to an audience of over 22,000 people. Among the performers was the ensemble's new member, Nick Keir of the Scottish folk-trio The McCalmans. These concerts, with the Danish National Chamber Orchestra, the Danish National Chamber Choir, and soloists, marked the release of the fourth and last album of the series, Leaving Rivendell. Besides Lee, Keir, the Danish National Chamber Orchestra/DR and the Danish National Chamber Choir/DR performed with The Tolkien Ensemble on the fourth album. The ensemble toured Europe in 2007, combining their own works with soundtrack pieces from Howard Shore's soundtrack to the film trilogy as well as live narration by Lee. In 2008 the ensemble gave their longest concert tour of German cities including Berlin's Friedrichstadt-Palast, Hamburg, Hannover, Dresden, Bremen, and Leipzig's Gewandhaus. The ensemble continued to give concert tours each year until 2013.

The release of the four-CD-box in 2006 marked the completion of more than ten years' work and the attainment of the ensemble's goal: the release of their Complete Songs & Poems from The Lord of the Rings. More than 150 professional musicians participated in the effort. The four-CD-box is dedicated to the memory of J.R.R. Tolkien, to The Tolkien Society in Oxford, and to the millions of people for whom The Lord of the Rings has a special place in their hearts.

Reception
The Tolkien scholar David Bratman calls the ensemble "[refined] elves", unlike groups like Brocéliande and the Hobbitons, who he calls "[rustic] hobbits in ethos". He calls their music "some of the most atmospheric Tolkien settings on disc". He mentions Lee's recitation of some of Tolkien's poems, where "[he] impersonates Treebeard half rhythmically talking and half singing, à la Rex Harrison as Professor Higgins." Bratman describes the ensemble's approach as an "effective combination" of folk and classical, and the ensemble itself as consisting of conservatory students and folk musicians. In his view there is an "ethereal air of wistfulness" throughout the Tolkien Ensemble's music, which contributes powerfully to their Elvish songs; he at once adds that their hobbit songs work out well too, with a light guitar setting and simple sturdy tune that handles Tom Bombadil's songs effectively. He especially admires the third album's last track, "Sam's invocation of Elven Hymn to Elbereth Gilthoniel" by Hall, where "Frodo's walking song meets an Elvish hymn to Elbereth".

The scholar of English literature Leslie A. Donovan calls the Ensemble's four albums the most notable of the attempts "to capture the airs of Middle-earth by creating their own music for Tolkien's lyrics". The Green Man Review writes that the Tolkien Ensemble "has made excellent use" of the songs in The Road Goes Ever On. Af Søren Aabyen, reviewing the Ensemble's first album, An Evening in Rivendell, for the Danish Tolkien Society, found that rarely had any music appealed to him as much. He was delighted by the mezzo-soprano Asmussen's mellow rendering of "Galadriel's Song of Eldamar". He enjoyed the playful hobbit-song "There is an Inn, a merry old Inn", and Reiff's suitably melancholy guitar for "The Old Walking Song" alongside the rich baritone voice of Thiemann and the lyrical violin of Tjærby. Aabyen noted also the pleasure of finding Queen Margrethe II of Denmark's illustrations in the accompanying booklet. Anthony Burdge and Jessica Burke, in The J. R. R. Tolkien Encyclopedia, note that the album was complete with the queen's illustrations "greatly admired by Tolkien."

Permanent members

 * Peter Hall – founder, composer, vocals, guitar
 * Caspar Reiff – founder, composer, guitar
 * Signe Asmussen – vocals
 * Morten Ernst Lassen – vocals
 * Katja Nielsen – double-bass
 * Øyvind Ougaard – accordion
 * Morten Ryelund Sørensen – conductor, violin
 * Mads Thiemann – vocals

Discography

 * Complete Songs & Poems (2006), consisting of:
 * An Evening in Rivendell (1997)
 * Malene Nordtorp, Ole Jegindø Norup, Mads Thiemann, Morten Ernst Lassen, Commotio-Kvartetten choir, Polkageist.
 * A Night in Rivendell (2000)
 * Ulrik Cold, Kurt Ravn, Povl Dissing, Mads Thiemann, Morten Ernst Lassen, The Chamber Choir Hymnia.
 * At Dawn in Rivendell (2002)
 * Kurt Ravn, Morten Ernst Lassen, Peter Hall, Tom McEwan, Caspar Reiff, the Copenhagen Chamber Choir Camerata, Copenhagen Young Strings. Recitation by Christopher Lee.
 * Leaving Rivendell (2005)
 * Jørgen Ditlevsen, Kurt Ravn, Nick Keir, the Danish National Chamber Choir/DR, the Danish Radio Sinfonietta/DR. Recitation by Christopher Lee.

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Cover of the Wipers album Over the Edge.

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Talk:Wait Until Dark

Film or play?
"Wait Until Dark" is first (and foremost) a stage play. By focusing almost exclusively on the film version, this article puts the cart before the horse. The plot summary in this article appears to have been copied from imdb. Should a "movie database" be used as a source of plot summaries for the works of Shakespeare, Shaw and Ibsen? (Knott isn't quite in this league ...)

Film plot summary
The plot summary was directly from. That plot summary is copyright imdb. It was written by John Vogel (jlvogel at comcast.net) and it's possible that Mr. Vogel also wrote the version here. I'd rather not e-mail Mr. Vogel, but if someone wants to they could do so. moink 17:15, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

The plot summary here is not accurate to the play. 69.158.17.94 (talk) 13:54, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Which year was this film made?
It is categorized as a 1966 film, but the article says 1967.

Turning off the lights
I can verify that theaters did indeed turn off all the lights during the long (10 minute?) scene in the dark apartment, with Alan Arkin trying to kill the blind Audrey Hepburn. Scared the shit out of me, I can tell you that! ==ILike2BeAnonymous 07:04, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

 * According to the DVD, advertising said theaters would be darkened "to the legal limit" during the last eight minutes, since you ask. —66.80.11.122 19:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

the doll's song
What was the tune? I couldn't hear it clearly enough to identify it, assuming it's one I might know. —66.80.11.122 19:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Setting of play originally
The play script I have in the UK is set in Notting Hill. Can anyone in the US confirm that it was set in Greenwich Village originally in the American script? I would have thought the play would have been set in London originally, given Knott was English. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.24.204.75 (talk) 14:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

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Robert Hamilton Anstruther

Admiral Robert Hamilton Anstruther, (Chinese: 安史導; 10 June 1862 – 26 September 1938) was a Royal Navy officer.

Anstruther was the son of Lieutenant-Colonel Sir Robert Anstruther of Balcaskie, 5th Bt. and Louisa Maria Chowne Marshall. He married Edith Flora Peel on 6 January 1890. Their son, Colonel Philip Noel Anstruther, was born on 2 September 1891.

Anstruther joined the Royal Navy, was promoted to lieutenant on 30 June 1885, and to Commander on 31 December 1897. He was posted to the cruiser HMS Edgar on 20 February 1900, for a relief mission to the China station. He was Senior Naval Officer on the Danube between 1900 and 1902, and was in command of the gunboat HMS Cockatrice from 5 January 1901 to 5 February 1902. On 5 July 1902 he was appointed in command of the surveying ship HMS Hearty, and was Senior Naval Officer of the North Sea Fisheries between 1902 and 1904. He was Senior Naval Officer of the Newfoundland Fisheries between 1906 and 1908. He was invested as a Companion, Order of St. Michael and St. George (CMG) in 1907. He was Commodore-in-Charge, Hong Kong from July 1912 to May 1916. He was Senior Officer of the coast of China between 1914 and 1916.

He was the second Colony Commissioner of the Boy Scout Association, Hong Kong Branch as of May 1915.

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Destination-Sequenced Distance Vector routing

Destination-Sequenced Distance-Vector Routing (DSDV) is a table-driven routing scheme for ad hoc mobile networks based on the Bellman–Ford algorithm. It was developed by C. Perkins and P. Bhagwat in 1994. The main contribution of the algorithm was to solve the routing loop problem. Each entry in the routing table contains a sequence number, the sequence numbers are generally even if a link is present; else, an odd number is used. The number is generated by the destination, and the emitter needs to send out the next update with this number. Routing information is distributed between nodes by sending full dumps infrequently and smaller incremental updates more frequently.

For example, the routing table of Node A in this network is

Naturally the table contains description of all possible paths reachable by node A, along with the next hop, number of hops and sequence number.

Selection of Route
If a router receives new information, then it uses the latest sequence number. If the sequence number is the same as the one already in the table, the route with the better metric is used. Stale entries are those entries that have not been updated for a while. Such entries as well as the routes using those nodes as next hops are deleted.

Advantages
The availability of paths to all destinations in network always shows that less delay is required in the path set up process.

The method of incremental update with sequence number labels, marks the existing wired network protocols adaptable to Ad-hoc wireless networks. Therefore, all available wired network protocol can be useful to ad hoc wireless networks with less modification.

Disadvantages
DSDV requires a regular update of its routing tables, which uses up battery power and a small amount of bandwidth even when the network is idle.

Whenever the topology of the network changes, a new sequence number is necessary before the network re-converges; thus, DSDV is not suitable for highly dynamic or large scale networks. (As in all distance-vector protocols, this does not perturb traffic in regions of the network that are not concerned by the topology change.)

Influence
While DSDV itself does not appear to be much used today, other protocols have used similar techniques. The best-known sequenced distance vector protocol is AODV, which, by virtue of being a reactive protocol, can use simpler sequencing heuristics. Babel is an attempt at making DSDV more robust, more efficient and more widely applicable while staying within the framework of proactive protocols.