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Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections January 2006/Candidate statements/Talrias

Talrias (withdrawn)
I am withdrawing my candidacy. Thanks to the people who have contacted me, publically and privately, offering their support for me. Thanks for the questions people have asked me; I hope my answers have helped in the debate about both the role of the Arbitration Committee and the responsibilities of its members. If people would like to discuss this with me, I'd be glad to; please leave a message on my talk page or contact me on IRC.

I wish good luck to all the other candidates. Talrias (t | e | c) 18:29, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Nomination statement
As someone who believes wholeheartedly in the principles of community, collaboration and consideration, I wish to join the Arbitration Committee as I believe committee members should hold those three C's as their key principles. They are all important, not just for the Committee but for Wikipedia as a whole. It is important to remember not just what Wikipedia is, but how it will achieve its goals - free access to knowledge for all. Community, collaboration and consideration are the key to this. If I am elected to the Arbitration Committee, I will employ these three principles in the following manner:

 * Community. Wikipedia works, on the whole, because the vast majority of people can harmoniously contribute to articles. However, the few who do not, the people who end up before the Committee, are also part of the Wikipedia community. To that end, Committee members must realise that the people being sanctioned are human beings too and that the aim of the Arbitration Committee is not just to punish people, but to make sure at the end of their punishment they are able to cooperate and collaborate on articles, helping in the aim of a fantastic encyclopaedia.

 * Collaboration. Many Arbitration Committee cases are due to failure between different parties to collaborate on articles in a polite and respectful manner. As an Arbitration Committee member, my emphasis would be towards finding an amicable solution allowing collaboration in the future.

 * Consideration. Respect for other people, not just their viewpoints, should be shown by both the Arbitration Committee and the people in the dispute. It is important to share not just an opinion but reasoning as to why that opinion is held. Arbitration is not a place to criticise people or their opinions, but to aid them in becoming a welcome member of the community and making sure they can join in the development of the encyclopaedia; the key is showing consideration to all views.

 * Talrias (t | e | c) 22:30, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Further information

 * I am 18 years old and studying Life Sciences at the University of Manchester.
 * I am currently an administrator (nomination).

Questions
Please ask any questions you have about me or my candidacy. I will answer on this page and inform you on your user talk page that I have responded. I have added this page to my watchlist.

jguk
How many hours a month do you think you will need to be a good Arbitrator and are you really willing to put in the time?

 * I believe a statement of the number of hours a month I would arbitrate for would not be accurate or fair to the people who would be bringing cases. I would recuse from all cases where I have some kind of relationship (either a close friendship or a previous personal dispute), and examine all the necessary evidence for cases I was arbitrating. I believe that it is better to be fair with a decision than hasty.

If chosen, you will need to arbitrate on disputes arising from the creation or revision of articles. Experience of creating and revising articles yourself, particularly where it has involved collaboration, is very valuable in understanding the mindset of disputants who come to arbitration. With reference to your own edits in the main article namespace, please demonstrate why you think you have the right experience to be a good arbitrator.

 * While not in the article namespace, I was responsible for the relaunch of both the United Kingdom collaboration of the fortnight and the collaboration of the week. I have helped improve one article to featured status, A. E. J. Collins, and I have contributed to articles related to Northern Ireland, which, as reflected in real life, are frequently politically slanted. My favourite NI-related article, while not long, is Northern Ireland naming dispute, which examines the different names for the region by people of different political parties. I would invite people to look through my contributions to see the entire picture, as well as the 'highlights' I have written about above.

Please list out what other Wikipedia usernames you have edited under.

 * I have only contributed to Wikipedia from the username 'Talrias'.

Dragons flight
Arbcom is overworked and no fun. Please review these discussions:   Come up with a short list of suggestions for ways you would endorse for improving the arbitration process. Bonus points for actually managing to create new policy. Dragons flight 08:03, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I've read through the various proposed modifications to the rules suggested a few times:

 * I agree with the principle of a "midterm" election in the case that one or more arbitrators resign from the Committee, however I think they should serve until the end of the year (until the next December Arbitration Committee elections), rather than filling the remainder of the term.
 * I also support a shorter term duration (such as the suggestion to lower it to 2 years rather than 3). If this were to be introduced, it would need some serious consideration concerning how the tranches would be divided. The proposal as suggested is a good idea - it just needs more thought and discussion.

 * The other proposals each have their merits and problems - the important thing is that they are all discussed by the community and the good ones are implemented in practice rather than languishing as proposals.

 * I've also re-read through the Arbitration Committee reform discussion and again I think it has some good ideas for possible ideas but each proposal is not in an advanced enough stage to actually be implemented. I support quite a few of them in principle; the devil is, of course, in the details.

Snowspinner
Being an arbitrator requires a finely tuned bullshit detector. What in your life has prepared you to detect bullshit with ease? Phil Sandifer 21:25, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I think the most helpful ways I've learnt to detect bullshit were regularly participating in debates at my school and running my school's philosophy society in my final year. Knowing when people are talking nonsense and shifting on to the next topic or point is a skill I quickly learnt from it. Talrias (t | e | c) 22:14, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

karmafist
Many policies contradict and overlap with each other, and then WP:IAR makes things even more complicated while making them paradoxically more flexible. When two or more policies apply and conflict, what do you do? karmafist 18:58, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

 * The goal of making a fantastic encyclopedia should be the keystone of every Arbitration Committee decision. Wikipedia policies are only a means to an end; they are not an end in themselves. If policies conflict, then either they should be clarified so they do not conflict, or they should not be policy. I believe Wikipedia's policies are in place to promote harmonious editing; if they don't promote that then those policies should be disregarded. Talrias (t | e | c) 01:46, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

I must say, that is an absolutely fantastic answer, although i'd like to disclose that i've respected Talrias in regards to Metapedian issues for awhile now. karmafist 23:11, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

-Ril-
Do you hold any strong political or religious opinions (e.g. concerning George Bush, Islam, or on which end you should break a boiled egg)? If so, would you recuse yourself from cases centred on these?

 * No, I do not hold any strong political or religious opinions.

How willing are you to contest the decisions of other arbitrators rather than just "go with the flow"?

 * It depends what the opinions of the other arbitrators are, and how much I agree with them or not. I would operate by the principles highlighted in my nomination statement.

Do you view all requests to re-address cases, particularly requests made by those most penalised, as being automatically without merit?

 * No, I have no broad categorisation of any request. I would view each case on its merits and demerits, and make an appropriate judgement based on that.

In the case against Yuber, it was decided by the arbitration committee that it is the duty of arbitrators to investigate, and rule on the behaviour of not only one party involved, but all of them. Do you support this decision? -Ril- 16:51, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't believe that the Arbitration Committee should be a zero-sum game. If it is, then the Arbitration Committee would just rule on whichever party had the worst behaviour. It's important to remember that the aim of arbitration is not to punish people but to make them into better Wikipedians. Talrias (t | e | c) 17:05, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Marsden
As you probably are already aware, your age may be an issue to a lot of people. I am one of those people.

My particular concern is that, at your age, you are unlikely to have a broad grounding in the general background knowledge of (what passes for?) our culture. This potentially opens the door for others, possibly including fellow arbitrators, to foist their particular agendas upon you.

In light of my concerns about this, which I suspect others may share, how would you deal with conflicts that might be brought before you as an arbitrator on subjects about which you do not have good background knowledge? How would you keep yourself from just relying on the information supplied by another arbitrator or another person, information that might be biased?

Marsden 00:47, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your question, it's definitely a fair one. I am very interested in history (particularly British and European history), and while my highest qualification in history is at GCSE level, I am an avid reader which has broadened my knowledge of the times which older generations lived through.

 * One of the advantages of being a student are the resources of the university at my disposal. As it says on my user page, I am at the University of Manchester which has one of the largest libraries in the UK. The subjects which cases are likely to be brought forwards are likely to be highly controversial ones - and therefore interesting - and I would enjoy the excuse to get a few books on the subject from the library to improve my knowledge of the subject in order for me to make a more objective decision. There's no reason why I can't benefit from the cases!

 * It is unlikely that all the 2005-6 Arbitration Committee would be of a similar age to me, given the candidates standing, the present members who will be staying on. I think I'm right in saying that past arbitrators, and Jimbo/the Board, are quite happy about advising current arbitrators on cases. I would never be too ashamed or too arrogant to ask for advice, and to discuss the matter with other arbitrators. While my decisions will of course be decided by me and not the other arbitrators, past or present, I will always take others' advice into consideration.

 * I hope this answers your question satisfactorily; please don't hesitate to ask if you think I could clarify some aspect of it for you. Talrias (t | e | c) 01:30, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Ted Wilkes
Do you support the creation of a Arbitration Committee Code of Conduct as I have just now suggested at User talk:Jimbo Wales? - Ted Wilkes 18:45, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

 * The general idea sounds like a good one - obviously the content of such a guide would need to be carefully considered. I wouldn't support any code of conduct which had been hastily put together or rushed. Talrias (t | e | c) 18:22, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alanis Morissette: The Collection

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. — J I P | Talk 16:51, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Alanis Morissette: The Collection
First, it's a greatest-hits record, and thus explictly excluded as notable or deserving an article in the WikiProject Music/Notability and Music Guidelines. Secondly, it hasn't yet been released, so doesn't exist (Wikipedia is not a crystal ball). Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:31, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete (or redirect to Alanis Morisette). --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:31, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable album with verifiable information to be released shortly. Further, the guidelines referred to by Mel Etitis make no mention of any notability guides for albums. There seems to be no mention that I could find on Wikiproject Albums of this guideline. I have heard reference to such a guideline but it would be useful to see it confirmed. Capitalistroadster 01:18, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Guideline is here:
 * You can link to normal studio albums as much as you want. Caveat 1: Unless there's extenuating circumstances, greatest hits and compilation albums don't need an article. Jkelly 02:12, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep, verifiable, of interest to Alanis fans, and has a new track. Kappa 01:53, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Merge any useful information to Alanis Morisette.  Jkelly 02:12, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: it seems odd to have an article for every album, and even singles, a well known artist has produced, except for a greatest hits album. They usually only have one or two greatist hits, so it wouldn't mean a whole lot of new articles. Plus, an article would let you know which tracks are included on the album. I won't go against policy though, at least not for Alanis Morisette. -- Kjkolb 08:43, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep --Rogerd 12:22, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep It seems that this is 'the' official GH collection as opposed to one of many patchwork collections, therefore indicating extenuating circumstance. Also, album will be released soon enough to negate 'crystal ball' arguement. Youngamerican 18:18, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep: the cited guideline is for a wikiproject, not Wikipedia as a whole, and regardless, I disagree with it. — Lomn | Talk / RfC 14:08, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Jkelly. Zhatt  20:51, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I note that there are already hundreds of Wikipedia articles on artists' greatest hits albums. I also note that in many cases -- including, to all appearances, this one -- a greatest hits album often contains at least one or two songs that have never appeared on a studio album. And I note that a greatest hits album is often one of the biggest-selling (and thereby inherently notable) albums of an artist's career. And "not a crystal ball" is a pretty pointless argument to make for an album whose release is only a month away, and whose advance publicity and advertising has already gone out. (It's also a rather silly argument to make when we already have an article about Kate Bush's Aerial, and we've had an article about the just-released-last-week Broken Social Scene since February.) Finally, I note that "studio albums vs. greatest hits" seems a pretty absurd distinction to draw, and an unenforceable one -- if there isn't an article about this, somebody will create another one, and another one, and another one. All in all, I just don't see a convincing argument for deletion here. Keep. Bearcat 05:51, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. One albumbox colour is reserved for "greatest hits, box sets and other compilations", so they are allowed here. Also, there is enough reliable information about this album available. -Hapsiainen 16:11, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. There's no reason not to. M.C. Brown Shoes 13:55, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. just to respond to some of the points.  First, it's not that articles on compilations aren't allowed, only that they're discouraged unless there's some special reason (I don't see one here).  Secondly, I don't understand why it's so outrageous to suggest that people wait until an album exists before creating an article; we're not some newspaper desperately trying to scoop the opposition.  Thirdly, that there are thousands of other articles on non-notable (and not-yet released) albums and singles isn't a good reason for adding another. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:38, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. This album exists. Release has been confirmed by the official website and they've even released cover art and track listing. It'll be out in roughly a month. How much more do you need for it to be real? It's also a notable release because it contains her new single, a cover of a Seal song, multiple new remixes, and is also her first ever compilation. M.C. Brown Shoes 06:47, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.

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Talk:Klanton

Censorship by 216.162.217.134
216.162.217.134 keeps removing an example of a Klanton from the article. United States Senator Robert Byrd is one of the most famous members of the Klan in the history of the United States. The Democrat has written about his Klan past and he has explained how he earned various titles in the Klan such as Kleagle from organizing the Klan. His organization of the samall town of Crab Orchard, West Virginia into a Klanton is one of the most famous examples of a Klanton. It is relavant, sources and fully cited. 216.162.217.134 needs to stop removing the information. -Keetoowah 22:32, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Please. The fact that this is true does not means it has any relevance to the subject of the article, or adds anything to his article. Adding it is bias by selection, and frankly smacks of an attempt to get a cheap shot in at Robert Byrd. In the article on Drunk driving, is it appropriate to add, without any particular context, the sentence "George Bush was convicted of DUI in 1974?" It's factually correct, but no matter - it has no particular relevance to the subject of drunk driving whatsoever, and doesn't belong in that particular article. Likewise here. The proper place to talk about Robert Byrd's past is Robert Byrd, or possibly Ku Klux Klan. Here, it's simply gratuitous. --216.162.217.134 01:15, 10 October 2005 (UTC) (PS - there is not, in fact, any citation to back Byrd's activities or their significance in the article.) --216.162.217.134 01:30, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Of course, it is relevant to the article. It is a great example of a Klanton.  The example given just so happened to be organized by Byrd.  Just because you feel the need to defend Byrd or to take out information from the article in order to minimize Byrd's activities has nothing to do with Wikipedia.  How would you suggest that we place an example of a Klanton in the article???  You have not provided a alternative solution, all you have suggested is that we censor sourced, cited information about Robert Byrd's Klan activities.--Keetoowah 03:50, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 1. A Klanton is a local chapter of the KKK. 2. Byrd was in the KKK.  3.  Byrd organized a local chapter.  4. Byrd 's organization was a Klanton.  5. Byrd is a well-known KKK member.  6.  Byrd's Klanton is a perfect example of a Klanton.-Keetoowah 03:55, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Randall Division of Cell and Molecular Biophysics

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5* research rating and listed as a centre of excellence in The Times' good university guide. —This unsigned comment was added by 83.104.170.112 (talk • contribs).

"centre of excellence" is a recognised term for a reasearch institution achieving a 5* rating. please leave link, as that page is soon to be updated! Thanks! ps - forgot to re log in, sorry. —This unsigned comment was added by Scienceboy (talk • contribs).

 * The link is likely going to be deleted unless you contest the speedy. ( A rundhati Bakshi (talk • contribs)) 14:08, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


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Harvard World Model United Nations

The Harvard World Model United Nations (WorldMUN) is an annual traveling model United Nations conference that is run by Harvard University and a local university team from a host city. WorldMUN moves to a new city each year and is regarded as one of the most prestigious international MUN conferences today. The Conference was first held in 1992. The Conference targets college students from all over the world who have a passion and interest to become a diplomat in the future.

General information and history
WorldMUN uses a competitive bidding process to select locations for each conference, with prospective host teams, usually consisting of the MUN societies of large universities, applying.

The conference is generally held in March.

WorldMUN uses the American style of model United Nations, with almost all delegates paired with another from their delegation (in dual delegations), with discussions occurring both inside and outside the rooms simultaneously.

Committees have in the past included committees of the United Nations General Assembly, the Security Council, the subcommittees of ECOSOC, regional bodies (such as the African Union or European Union), specialized agencies of the United Nations, crisis simulation committees and uniquely, simulations of the entire general assembly.

As most other conferences, there are also workshops, social events showcasing local culture and a global village, where participant teams can share delicacies and traditions from their home countries. In addition, WorldMUN has had many distinguished guest speakers over the years, notably Pope Francis in Rome and King Felipe VI in Madrid.

From 2016 onwards, the conference began giving out WorldMUN spirit awards to teams, for showing exceptional adherence to the spirit of WorldMUN and the United Nations. The team from Andrés Bello Catholic University (Venezuela) were the first recipients of this award.

The organization works closely with a social impact-oriented group, the Resolution Project, aimed at fostering global youth leadership. The Resolution Project was founded by WorldMUN Secretariat alumni.

The 29th edition of the conference was scheduled for Tokyo in March 2020, but it was cancelled and initially rescheduled to 2021. However, with the continued health safety concerns and the pandemic's prevailing impact on global travel, the Tokyo 2021 conference was rescheduled again to 2022. The 2021 conference happened virtually over Zoom.

Committee sessions
Participants are assigned to represent countries, organizations, or leaders in order to debate pressing international issues in a simulated session of an intergovernmental organization (IGO). WorldMUN divides all its committees into three organs:

Social Venture challenge
The social venture challenge allows interested participants to compete for grants to implement their creative solutions for healthcare, education, human rights, technology, water, and other areas. This is through WorldMUN's partnership with the Resolution Project, a U.S. 501(c)3 nonprofit founded in 2007 by WorldMUN alumni, dedicated to empowering young leaders around the world through collaborative social entrepreneurship.

In-conference activities
These include in-conference trips and workshops. The trips give conference participants a change to explore the host city and its culture whereas the workshops allow participants to interact with diplomats, politicians and academics to discuss a variety of.

Social events
WorldMUN also organizes social events, most of which look like the following:

 * Night Zero: Before the conference kicks off, delegates and staff gather for a night out to inaugurate the conference.
 * Global Village: Every year, WorldMUN starts off its social agenda with Global Village. This is the first opportunity for delegates to meet each other in a social setting. Delegations host a booth where they share traditions, delicacies, and more from their home countries.
 * Featured night 1: An event for participants to experience the host city's local culture.
 * Cabaret: Delegates showcase their talents on stage in the Cabaret on the third night.
 * Featured night 2: Another event for participants to experience the host city's local culture.
 * Farewell Party: Traditionally, WorldMUN closes with this final social event.

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Black Leopards F.C.

Black Leopards FC is a South African professional football club based in Thohoyandou, Vhembe Region, Limpopo, that plays in the National First Division.

History
The club was founded in 1983 by business people in the Vhembe Region. In 1998 the club was taken over by the Thidiela family. After just two seasons of campaigning in the National First Division, Black Leopards FC was promoted to the ABSA Premier Soccer League.

In 2008 they were relegated back to the National First Division after playing for seven seasons in the Absa Premiership but the club made its return to the top tier division three years later.

Honours

 * First Division Inland Stream: 1
 * 2000-01

 * National First Division promotion/relegation playoffs: 2
 * 2010–11

 * 2017–18

Club records

 * Most starts: 🇿🇦 Christopher Netshidzivhe 163
 * Most goals: 🇿🇦 Mulondo Sikhwivhilu 44
 * Most capped player: 🇲🇼 Robert Ng'ambi
 * Most starts in a season: 🇿🇦 Nkosiyabo Xakane 36 (2011–12)
 * Most goals in a season: 🇿🇦 David Zulu 16 (2013–14)
 * Record victory: 7–1 vs Bush Bucks (13/4/02), (PSL)
 * Record defeat: 0–5 vs Kaizer Chiefs (9/9/03), (PSL)

Premiership record

 * 2001–02 – 8th
 * 2002–03 – 11th
 * 2003–04 – 8th
 * 2004–05 – 14th
 * 2005–06 – 12th
 * 2006–07 – 11th
 * 2007–08 – 15th (relegated)
 * 2011–12 – 14th
 * 2012–13 – 16th (relegated)
 * 2018–19 – 13th
 * 2019–20 – 15th
 * 2020–21 – 16th (relegated)

Notable coaches

 * 🇿🇦 Milo Bjelica (1999)
 * 🇿🇲 Jacob Sakala
 * 🇿🇲 Jan Simulambo (2000)
 * 🇿🇦 Gavin Hunt (July 2001 – 2 June)
 * 🇲🇿 Arnaldo Salvado (2002)
 * 🇦🇹 Walter Rautmann (2003)
 * 🇿🇦 Ephraim Mashaba (Feb 2004 – 5 March)
 * 🇫🇷 Jean-Yves Kerjean (2005)
 * 🇿🇦 Boebie Solomons (April 2006 – 8 March)
 * Bibey Mutombo (July 2006 – 6 Oct)
 * 🇿🇦 Mlungisi Ngubane (Nov 2006 – 7 Jan)
 * 🇩🇪 Hans-Dieter Schmidt (Jan 2007 – 7 June)
 * 🇿🇦 Joel Masutha (interim) (March 2008)
 * 🇳🇬 Augustine Eguavoen (March 2008)
 * 🇿🇼 Sheppard Murape (March 2008 – 8 June)
 * 🇿🇦 Joel Masutha (June 2008 – 9 June)
 * 🇷🇴 Mario Marinica (June 2009 – 10 June)
 * 🇷🇸 Vladislav Heric (2009–10)
 * 🇿🇼 Sunday Chidzambwa (Oct 2010 – 11 Oct)
 * 🇷🇸 Vladislav Heric (Oct 2011 – 12 May)
 * 🇿🇼 Sunday Chidzambwa (May 2012 – 12 Oct)
 * 🇿🇦 Ian Palmer (Oct 2012 – 12 Dec)
 * 🇿🇦 Abel Makhubela (interim) (Jan 2013–)
 * 🇷🇸 Kostadin Papic ( August 2013 – May 2014)
 * 🇿🇦 Zeca Marques (June 2014–20xx)
 * 🇧🇪 Jean-Francois Losciuto (−2017)
 * 🇧🇪 Ivan Minnaert (2017)
 * 🇿🇦 Cavin Johnson (2019–2020)
 * 🇬🇭 Maxwell Konadu (2024–)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2011 Atlantic hurricane season

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. — J I P | Talk 16:55, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

2011 Atlantic hurricane season
This article provides no useful information. Hurricane name lists are reused every six years. This, this year's (2005) will be reused in this year (2011), except for retired names. Since everyone knows that there will be retired names, no one will know this year's list until spring, 2006. Therefore, this article is a waste of space and there is nothing whatsoever that can be put in it to make it useful.

 * Nominate and vote for deletion Michelle T 22:35, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete I think the rule regarding these articles should be if the NHC has storm names for them, otherwise how do you know which names there will be? --Revolución (talk) 22:59, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep This is specifically mentioned in WP:NOT, number 2. --CastAStone 01:19, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It is mentioned, CastAStone, as something that should be deleted, I think? Xoloz 03:14, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * No, actually it is specifically mentioned as something encyclopedic. Look again. "Lists of tropical cyclone names is encyclopedic; "Tropical storm Alex, 2010" is not" --CastAStone 14:19, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, but this list of names is admittedly and obviously incorrect. We don't yet know what names will replace Katrina et al. Xoloz 14:39, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * As of now, this also has no names in it. Xoloz 14:40, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Xoloz 03:14, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, yes it is specifically mentioned. As something not encyclopedic.  Jkelly 04:29, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as a gratuitous policy violation. It should probably be protected from re-creation for a few years. --Apyule 07:15, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete 2011 is just a wee bit too far in the future. Either block this article from being created again or just speedy delete it every time it pops up again (no vote needed). Masterhatch 10:36, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - Its so far in the future the Earth may not even be here!!! - Bwfc 23:22, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
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Farallon Steamship Disaster

The Farallon Steamship Disaster was the wreck of a wooden Alaska Steamship Company passenger liner, SS Farallon, that hit Black Reef in Cook Inlet in the Territory of Alaska on 5 January 1910. All on board evacuated to a nearby island, where most had to survive for a month in a mid-winter climate before they were rescued. Six other survivors survived an attempt to row across Shelikof Strait in search of rescue for the stranded men.

Construction and design of SS Farallon
On 27 January 1902, SS Farallon entered service as the fourth ship in the Alaska Steamship Company fleet. She was a wooden steamer rigged as a schooner, having a two-masted fore-and-aft rig with both a foremast and mainmast. She was named after the Farallon Islands – from the Spanish word farallones, meaning rock or cliff in the sea – located in the Pacific Ocean 26 mi off San Francisco, California. She was 171 ft long with a 34 ft beam, a gross register tonnage of 749, a net register tonnage of 565, and a cargo hold more than 10 ft deep. This deep hold allowed the ship to transport over 400,000 board feet of lumber at a time, including Pacific Coast fir, pine, redwood, and cedar.

Wreck
Farallon departed Valdez bound for Unalaska in the Aleutian Islands and way ports with eight passengers, a crew of 30, and a cargo of 30 tons of general merchandise aboard on 2 January 1910. Caught in a blinding snowstorm with extremely high winds on 5 January, Farallon ran aground on Black Reef in Cook Inlet 1 nmi from shore. The ship struck the reef around 5:00 a.m. when the tides were very high. Within a matter of hours, however, the waters receded. Farallon′s crew deemed the damage to the ship irreparable and evacuation essential.

Survival
The passengers and crew of Farallon took to the lifeboats, but not without difficulty. All on board, 38 men, eventually evacuated to the shore of Iliamna Bay, but the extremely high surf and a large amount of ice made landing on the coast dangerous. Once ashore, the men faced relentless cold, snow, and a lack of adequate food supplies. They lived off the few provisions and supplies that they had been able to save from the wreck, including sails, tarpaulins, passenger baggage, and mattresses. They had no artificial source of light, and had to acquire water by melting snow. A typical meal included raw bacon and frozen bread. Throughout their ordeal, the men travelled back to the shipwreck to scavenge any useful materials they could find. Consequently, they haphazardly constructed several convenience items, including makeshift stoves. As temperatures plummeted to −40 °F, they built fires using driftwood found along the shore. The steamer SS Victoria finally rescued them on 3 February 1910, 29 days after they were stranded.

J.E. Thwaites and his documentation
John Edward Thwaites worked as a shipboard mail clerk on the route from Valdez to Unalaska, Alaska. He held the responsibility of making monthly mail deliveries to the people of southwestern Alaska living in areas inaccessible by any other means. His office was in the "mail closet," a stateroom often located on the port side of the schooners operating on the route.

Thwaites mainly served aboard SS Dora, a ship that was part of the Northwestern Steamship Company fleet, but also was assigned to other schooners travelling in the Alaskan region and was one of the men on board Farallon when she was wrecked. Thwaites was an amateur photographer who owned a Kodak 3-A Special camera, popular in the postcard industry. He used photography to document the events of the wreck of Farallon and the subsequent efforts of the shipwrecked men to survive while stranded on the shore of Iliamna Bay, depicting the desolate and harsh environment the men and documenting the survival efforts the men made to stay alive. While Thwaites had no professional training or schooling in photography, he was able to take advantage of the expanding postcard industry and sell his images for a profit.

The brave six
Of the 38 men aboard Farallon, six – Gus Swanson, the second mate of Farallon; Charles Peterson, a seaman; Ottoe Nelson, a seamen; Albert Bailey, a passenger; Charles Bourne, a resident of Afognak, Alaska, and Farallon′s Captain Weidingdid – did not stay at Iliamna Bay. They instead attempted to reach Kodiak Island in the hope of arranging a rescue. They set out on 7 January 1910 from the wreck in a 12 ft lifeboat to row across the Shelikof Strait, one of the most dangerous bodies of water in the Western Hemisphere.

When the men left, the wind was blowing north by northwest, but during the night the wind increased and the group was forced to beach their rowboat at Ursus Cove and remain there until morning. The following morning, 8 January 1910, when the men returned to the water, there was a new northeast wind and a heavy snowstorm. Suddenly, in mid-morning, the wind changed course and began blowing very strongly toward the northwest. The small rowboat stood no chance against the heavy seas and the men and boat soon became completely ice-coated. The ice weighed down the boat to the point where it could hardly stay afloat and the group was once again forced to find a place to land. That evening, heavy pack ice completely crushed the lifeboat. Luckily, the men were not far from shore, but the boat sank with almost all their provisions and they were forced to walk shoulder-high through the ice-cold water. They eventually reached the shore at Cape Douglas, Alaska.

The following morning, 9 January 1910, the party trekked to the top of the cliff above the beach for protection from the high seas and wind, and there they constructed a makeshift tent and fire. The physical state of the men was deteriorating quickly. All of them were frostbitten and some were showing the early signs of hypothermia. For the next 38 hours they stayed on the cliff in a desperate attempt to regain strength. Once the strong winds died down, the men walked two miles (3.2 km) from the cliff and found the camp of Michael Pablow, a fur trapper, who owned his own small schooner. Although Pablow refused to attempt to cross the strait, he supplied the ravenous men with provisions. The group did not leave Pablow’s camp until 7 February 1910 because of intense storms. Albert Bailey and Otto Nelson then led the way to Kaguak on foot while Swanson, Peterson, Bourne, and Weiding followed in a bidarka – a type of skin-covered kayak – because they had lost their ability to walk. The men found an old skiff at Kaguak, dug it out of the snow, and – except for Bourne, was forced to stay with the natives at Kaguak because of physical disability – began making their way across the strait to Kafliar Bay on 12 February 1910. The men were able to reach Cape Ugat on Kodiak Island before a fierce wind once again destroyed their vessel. Fortunately, the party was able to travel on land to the village of Ugansk, but remained stormbound there until 5 March 1910. On 5 March, the people of Ugansk provided the men with a dory, a small flat-bottomed boat. In this, the men reached Afognak. Finally on 11 March 1910, just before midnight, Swanson, Peterson, Nelson, and Bailey were brought into Seward, Alaska, aboard USRC Tahoma (1909), a United States Revenue Cutter Service cutter that had been searching for the men for almost three weeks. Tahoma then retrieved Bourne from Kaguak and Captain Weiding from Kodiak Island, where he had been forced to stay due to hypothermia.

In popular culture
Steve K. Lloyd wrote a book on the story. Ray Mears, the British woodsman, instructor, businessman, author and TV presenter based a programme of his TV series "Ray Mears' Extreme Survival" on the story of the survival of those shipwrecked.

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Talk:Miniclip

Should research be done into the top 10 games of miniclip or the top 3?
I think that the top 10 games should be displayed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.96.86 (talk • contribs)

 * Maybe we should just drop the list. It needs too much updating. --John Nagle (talk) 02:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Image/Screenshot?
Someone needs to get a screenshot, or at least an image of Miniclip. This is inside Alexa's Top 50, I believe.. it should have the Wiki page it deserves!

Also a table to the right showing it's Alexa Ranking, a screrenshot, and when the company was first founded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ²wenty³ (talk • contribs) 11:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

YoMe
I think since the main characters on miniclip.com you can make are called "YoMe" We should talk about that in this article. Homie Dog 35 (talk) 18:55, 19 May 2009 (UTC) Homie Dog 35

 * DONE 70.49.166.172 (talk) 15:12, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Watch for whitewashing by anons again
Some anonymous editors have been removing citations about Miniclip's hostile code history. I've restored the citations, and linked them to Internet Archive entries for items that are no longer on their original web sites. Watch for similar changes. Thanks. --John Nagle (talk) 16:47, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Nagle and Tedder have been adding bogus non existing citations that do not cite claims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.76.1.158 (talk) 16:08, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

MMOs
We should really do something like what we did with the kongregate page..... add the top, most well known mmos to the page in their own section, or in a completeley new page. eg. ourWorld, Club Penguinn (already a page), Yohoho (page already), Spineworld. Tell me what you guys think. 70.49.119.80 (talk) 20:49, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

angry
who deleted timeline? i hate tvp but im not zelda —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.25.11.245 (talk) 11:30, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Sketch Star
Why doesnt sketch star have its own article. Sombody should make one!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hashbron (talk • contribs) 20:51, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Sketch Star shut down on April 16th 2013. 109.153.29.65 (talk) 16:41, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Hamilton, Canada?
Someobody in December 13th edited the Miniclip page, and said that Miniclip is now located in Hamilton, Canada. This is false. And they also say that Minliclip has a new CEO. This is also false. Just thought I'd let Wikipidia know!

PS: I'm really NOBODY from the Wikia thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.212.24.133 (talk) 15:24, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

NPOV tag
I have added the NPOV tag since it's pretty clear from the intro that the article is not neutrally written, however I don't know enough about the subject to fix it. --cc 07:25, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

 * Agreed, also the site itself acts more like a game aggregator then an original content website, the "Club Penguin" is from Disney for example. Somebody please provide link of some original content. Argonauth (talk)

 * Some examples of original content created by Miniclip.
 * * http://www.miniclip.com/sketch-star
 * * http://www.miniclip.com/games/8-ball-pool-multiplayer/en/
 * * http://www.miniclip.com/games/obama-alien-defense/en/
 * * http://www.miniclip.com/games/anagram-magic/en/
 * Playsit

1701...
I'm confused: As of 1701, the company has been valued at over £200 million, having been profitable for six of its seven years...

o.o 99.141.255.194 (talk) 23:43, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

8 Ball Pool: Spin and Win 'Lucky Cue'
I've seen a couple of complaints about the Spin and Win prize 'Lucky Cue'. People are reporting that once they appear to have won the cue in the Spin and Win, it doesn't appear. This happened to me, and I found that if you refresh the page after you have won it, it should appear in the 'Cues' section of the pool shop. Simply click 'Use' and then you will be able to play with your new cue! (This might not always work though, sorry if it doesn't) GWires (talk) 19:41, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure what you're getting at here. This isn't a discussion board for Miniclip itself, I think, much less 8 Ball Pool. On the other hand, if you're pushing for this glitch's inclusion in the article, feel free to add it with an appropriate source?? Please explain what you're saying :)  ~Helicopter  Llama~  19:48, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

ik wil splele ni en mimi clip en jamba 2007 2003  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.88.182.144 (talk) 08:53, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

jamba 2007 2004
ik wil splele ni en mimi clip en jamba 2007 2003 crazy frog crazy cow en jamba 2007 2004 en jamba 2007 2005 en jamba 2007 2006

en jamba 2007 2004 jamba 2007 2008 en jamba 2009 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.88.182.144 (talk) 08:56, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

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 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090603015821/http://www.ft.com:80/cms/s/0/d074cf50-7375-11dd-8a66-0000779fd18c.html? to http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d074cf50-7375-11dd-8a66-0000779fd18c.html

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Cricket League
If the connection goes and it always seem to go when you open a slot that took ages to get it takes the slot without putting it back as you haven't opened it robbing bastards love the game but it's rong that I lose things that I earned if not even part way open then leave it locked till you have a better connection you do it every single day and it takes the piss 90.254.180.247 (talk) 18:40, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Miniclip acquiring SYBO
Miniclip purchased SYBO this June (source). As far as I'm aware, the acquisition is still in progress. With that in mind, how should I go about adding this information to the article? Jaminux (talk) 05:13, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Cheaters
In 8ball pool game it's really ridiculous when u are blocked from leaving a team that has u locked in and wont show you as a member its a hack 98.158.217.209 (talk) 10:41, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

 * Miniclip tiene que hacer algo con los hakcer de 8 ball pool
 * Es un juego muy lindo pero con mucho hack perderan mucha valides 2800:4B0:9303:8366:1:0:11D4:2F50 (talk) 15:23, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

How can i get my winning..
How can i get my silver? 154.76.251.124 (talk) 14:16, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

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Ana Popović

Ana Popović (Ана Поповић, born May 13, 1976) is a blues singer and guitarist from Serbia who currently resides in the United States.

Early life
Popović was born in 1976 in Belgrade. Her father (Milton Popović) introduced her to the blues, and she started to play the guitar when she was fifteen.

Hush (1995–1998)
In 1995, she formed the band Hush with Rade Popović (guitar, vocals), Milan Sarić (bass guitar) and Bojan Ivković (drums). Hush performed rhythm and blues, but also incorporated elements of funk and soul into their sound. The band had their first performance in the club Vox in Belgrade. During 1996, Hush performed across Serbia, also performing in Greece. Thanks to their performance at the Marsoni Blues Festival in Senta, Hush got the invitation to perform at the Fifth International Blues, Jazz, Rock and Gastronomic Festival in Hungary. A part of their performance was released on a live album which featured recordings from the festival. In 1996, Popović played slide guitar on Piloti album Dan koji prolazi zauvek (The Day that Is Passing Forever).

During 1998, Hush performed more than 100 times, playing in blues clubs and blues festivals. During the same year, they released their debut album, Hometown, through PGP-RTS. The album was produced by Aleksandar Radosavljević, and featured Vojno Dizdar (electric piano and Hammond organ), Petar "Pera Joe" Miladinović (harmonica), Aleksandar Tomić (tenor saxophone) and Predrag Krstić (trumpet) as guests. Beside the band's own songs, Hometown also featured covers of blues standards.

In 1998, Popović went to the Netherlands to study jazz guitar, and Hush disbanded.

Solo career (1999–present)

In 1999, Popović formed the Ana Popović Band in the Netherlands. In 2000, she appeared, alongside Eric Burdon, Taj Mahal, Buddy Miles, Double Trouble, Eric Gales and others, on the Jimi Hendrix tribute album Blue Haze: Songs of Jimi Hendrix with a cover of the song "Belly Button Window". In 2001, she released her solo debut, Hush!, through the German label Ruf Records. The album was recorded in Memphis, with the members of Ana Popović Band, as well as studio musicians. It was produced by Jim Gaines, who previously worked with Carlos Santana, John Lee Hooker, Alexis Korner and others. The album featured Bernard Allison as guest. The album saw large success, so Popović left her guitar studies, and dedicated herself to performing.

In 2003, Popović released her second album, Comfort to the Soul. The album, recorded in Memphis and produced by Gaines, featured a fusion of blues, rock, soul and jazz. During the same year, on the Rhythm & Blues Festival in Belgium, she was invited by Solomon Burke to join him on stage, after which she joined him on the rest of the tour as a guest. In 2005, Popović released a live album and DVD entitled Ana! Live in Amsterdam, recorded on January 30, 2005, on her concert in Amsterdam club Melkweg.

In 2007, Popović released the album Still Making History through the American record label Eclecto Groove Records. In 2009, she released the album Blind for Love, and in 2011 the album Unconditional through the same label. Both Still Making History and Unconditional reached number one in the United States Billboard Blues chart. In 2012, Popović moved to Memphis, Tennessee, and a few years later relocated to Los Angeles, California.

Popović's ninth album, Can You Stand the Heat, was released in April 2013 through ArtisteXclusive records. The album, produced by Tony Coleman, was recorded with John Williams on bass guitar, Harold Smith on rhythm guitar, Frank Ray Jr. on organ and Tony Coleman on drums. Popović performed at the 2013 New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival, where she introduced a new project: a nine-piece band under the name Ana Popovic & Mo' Better Love. In September 2013, Popović signed with Monterey International booking agency.

In 2014, she was nominated for a Blues Music Award in the Contemporary Blues Female Artist of the Year category.

Popović released a triple album titled Trilogy on May 20, 2016. The album includes multiple guests, including Joe Bonamassa, Robert Randolph, Cody Dickinson (North Mississippi Allstars), Bernard Purdie, and rapper Al Kapone.

Popović released her next studio album, Like It on Top on September 14, 2018. The album was recorded in Nashville, Tennessee, and produced by Keb' Mo'.

In late 2020, Popović was diagnosed with breast cancer, but continued to perform live, and also worked on her new album in between medical treatments. On May 5, 2023, Popović released Power, her first studio album in five years.

Awards and honors

 * 2002 Nominated for Best Singer, Best Guitarist, and Best Album at the French Blues Awards
 * 2003 First European nominated for Best New Artist Debut at the W.C. Handy Awards
 * 2003 Nominated for Best Blues Album at the Jammie Awards
 * 2004 Winner of the Jazz a Juan Revelation award in Juan-les-Pins, France.
 * 2006 Nominated for Best Blues DVD (2005), Best Live Performer, Best Female Blues Artist, and Most Outstanding Musician (guitar) at the Living Blues Awards
 * 2007 Nominated for Blues Artist of the Year, BluesWax 2007, U.S.
 * 2010 Nominated for Best Overseas Artist at the British Blues Awards
 * 2011 Winner of Best Blues DVD at the Blues Matters Awards, UK
 * 2012 Nominated for Best Contemporary Blues Album (Unconditional), Best Contemporary Blues Female Artist, and Best DVD at the 33rd Blues Music Awards
 * 2014 Nominated for Contemporary Blues Female Artist of the Year, Blues Music Awards

Discography

 * Hometown (1998) as Hush
 * Hush! (2001)
 * Comfort to the Soul (2003)
 * Still Making History (2007)
 * Blind for Love (2009)
 * Unconditional (2011)
 * Can You Stand the Heat (2013)
 * Blue Room (2015) with Milton Popović
 * Trilogy (2016)
 * Like It on Top (2018)
 * Power (2023)

DVD

 * Ana! Live in Amsterdam (2005)
 * An evening at Trasimeno Lake (2010)
 * Live for Live (2020)

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User talk:Mshafb

Welcome!

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia, ! I hope you like the place and decide to keep contributing. Since I see you've already been active here, let me just give you a few links that are always useful as a handy reference guide: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question at the village pump or feel free to ask me on my Talk page. Oh, and just in case you don't already know: to sign your name on a Talk page like I did below, the easiest way is just to type four tildes (~~~~). To customize your signature, look here. And remember:Be Bold!
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 * — Asbestos | Talk   (RFC)  22:36, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: my articles -- writing, editing others, and submitting photos
Hi - you sent me a note in the midst of my writing an article == about asking you questions, if I had any, or discuss stuff. I have an addictive LOVE of writing and I have a lot of history to write about, some of which I know first-hand. (1.) I have perused the Wiki outlines about styles, etc. and have tried to gear my writing to be encyclopedic but not dull (history shouldn't have to be) -- but probably still "ain't perfect" by Wiki standards. (2.) I have a problem not being able to understand alot of the jargon and communication techniques laid out in Wiki -- even in writing this. (3.) I saw mentioned that some articles are actually "protected" from editing, which surprises me, as Wiki is advertised as being info that ANYONE can edit...gee...shouldn't it really say, "anyone can edit SOME info..."? (4.) I have been an anonymous editor on some articles. I only registered because I thought it was required to contribute photos. Do I have to go back to old articles I wrote or edited and put my user name on them somehow? If so, HELP!! (5.) Also, I tried to follow the instructions on how to get pictures inserted because I have photos ready to go, but the directions are too much, and too frustrating for me to follow. They lead to too many questions without another person to initially walk me through it. I seem to be clueless...thank you! IS THAT BOLD ENOUGH?

Mshafb 00:10, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi Mshafb —
 * Plenty bold enough! Let me try to answer your questions as best I can.
 * (1) I'm sure what you contribute will be great. The thing about a wiki is that, if you add something to an article and someone wants to try to improve your writing, they can do so and leave your facts intact, and hopefully the article will be all the better for your combined efforts. Our benchmark for good encyclopedic style can normally be sussed out by purusing the Featured articles of which one is always on the main page.
 * (2) That's the case for most people — a bit off-putting to newcommers, unfortunately, but it's something that eventually occurs in all large internet communities (probably all non-internet communities as well). If you stay here long enough you'll quickly get the hang of it, but always feel free to ask anyone questions in the mean time.
 * (3) Unfortunately it's sometimes necessary to protect an article. This may occur if someone has targeted an article for repeated vandalism over a short period, but more commonly it's in response to a n edit war, which is typically when two users keep reverting each other point blank with no discussion. A protection may be put in place to get the warriors to take a breath and start talking on the talk page. It's not a perfect solution, since, as you say, anyone ought to be able to edit articles, so it's normally done over short periods.
 * (4) There shouldn't be any need. There is a way to do it, and if you have any edits that you really want to put in your name, or want to get credit for a large number of edits, I can find out for you how it's done. However, like I say, it shouldn't really matter.
 * (5) Easiest way: Upload an image and give it a name, say picture.jpg. Stick it where you want it in an article with this code: frame|some caption here. Done.
 * If the picture is too big, change the line to say to thumb|200px|some caption here, changing 200px as appropriate. Don't worry too much about making it look perfect — once it's in place, someone might come around to re-size it or whatever if necessary. For more in depth ways you can manipulate an image, see Picture tutorial.
 * (6) If you want to let anyone know about you, or want to get rid of the red link that shows up when you ign your name, you can fill out your user page, User:Mshafb.
 * (7) Anything else?
 * — Asbestos | Talk   (RFC)  03:09, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Asbestos: Thank you for your response. (1.) Regarding the input of photos, I notice you did not include the most puzzling part about choosing the license. Do I ignore that? Or do I have to do that on each one? How do I do that? What do I choose, if necessary, and where do I put that information? For the most part, the pictures are photos of people I know, either taken by me or by other non-professionals, and some of vintage years, as well as maybe artwork painted by my deceased parents who were professional artists, and whose copyrights for reproduction I am assuming to hold since I own the original art. Should I worry if they go public that they may be copied by other artists? (2.) In doing geneaology and historical work in other legitimate websites, I found that my name and inquiries were used as a title in a pornography site, OF COURSE WITHOUT MY PERMISSION. I am very angry and embarrassed about that. What can be done to make sure anything I include in this site will not be co-opted by porn sites? (3.) The particular site I wanted to add more info into was for "Ted Neeley." It is pitifully poor, only a sentence or so in the initial bio. It seems to remain protected, so I wonder about the timeline for that one? Or can't the original writer build it up with more quality info?

Thank you...

Mshafb 14:56, 10 October 2005 (UTC)mshafb

 * (1) Copyright is a little confusing. First, do make sure that your photos are encyclopedic — while it's fine to have a personal photo or two on your user page, most photos you upload ought to be directly for an article. For creation of articles on friends, note this guideline page, and related links. That aside, if you hold the copyright, either from being the photographer or by having the copyright passed to you from your parents, the applicable licenses are those listed under "Free Licenses", GFDL and Creative Commons, or the "No Rights Reserved". The latter releases all copyrights, the former allows you to retain some rights, such as requiring that you be attributed when someone copies the image (you'd pick one of the Creative Commons lisences if you want that). Note that none of the lisences allow you to prevent anyone else from taking the image and using it however they wish — this is part of Wikpedia's philosophy, and the entire encyclopedia can be copied by anyone and used however they want. If you'd prefer that people didn't take your images and use them around the internet, don't upload them.
 * (2) I can't help you here. Try finding out contact info for the webmaster/site owner and emailing them. If it's important enough, you could contact a lawyer. As for co-opting stuff on this site, like I said, anything that's written on this encyclopedia can (and will) be copied and spread all over the internet. Don't write personal information data or biographies if you'd prefer this didn't happen.
 * (3) When I look at the Ted Neeley article, I don't see that it's protected, and I can't find it on the protection log either. If you don't see the "edit" link above the article, try clicking this link to edit it. You should see the "edit" link at the top of the article, however.
 * — Asbestos | Talk   (RFC)  15:52, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

how to literally answer and resolve pending deletions
Thank you for helping. I am having a hard time understanding directions on how to answer people who have deemed my article worth deleting and to show my side as to why it should not be deleted. I pulled up my article and saw a box saying the article is up for deletion and I clicked into that box and found all the comments. The directions said to respond, go to the "Talk" page and I clicked into the top tab that said "discussion" but it was empty. I didn't see any "Talk" page. I copied out "What Wikipedia is not" and I still think I deserve consideration. I tried clicking directly into one of the comment people, but their pages were of archived comments. How do I technically answer each commenter? The dispute box and "asking for advocacy assistance" didn't give me specific directions either to help me understand the techniques to actualy ask an advocate a question, and I could find no advocate that would have understood the sensitivity of my article. So I have 3 questions: 1) in that what I wrote about is permitted in other similar circumstances, 2) the comments were by all men (I beleive) and some of the comments were extremely rude by my standards, and 3) the advocates I tried to find were also all men whose comments in their other advocacies I feel would not be sensitive in understanding my article, which is an article about a Christian woman.  The only good concensus was that the article was well-written.  I am not a technical person and need help!

mshafbMshafb 15:35, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

 * The article in question is undergoing the "articles for deletion" or AFD process. The system works by placing a notification on the article, and then discussing reasons for its deletion on a separate AFD page. The page for the article you wrote is here Articles for deletion/Rebecca H. Davis. The first line is the reason why the original nominator thinks it should be deleted followed by people either agreeing or disagreeing with comments. At the end of 5 days the discussion will be looked at and if there is a consensus it will be acted upon. If you want to contest the deletion the page to do so is that one. It's not usually appropriate to talk to each person individually because a better place to do so with more context already exists. Articles for deletion/Rebecca H. Davis

 * Sometimes people on AFD use shorthand for their reasons which makes it difficult for newcomers to understand exactly why people even think their article deserves being deleted. I will try and summarize the reasons given and give you what they actually said so you can understand the sometimes difficult shorthand. One of the reasons people are giving is WP:BIO, they might say "notability", "WP:BIO" etc. What they are saying is that they don't think the article fulfills the requirements on the page about inclusion of people Notability (people). This is a guideline. Another reason given is that "wikipedia isn't a memorial" and similar statements, This is in reference to What Wikipedia is not and is official policy. The third contention is that the article is not in line with the "neutral point of view" policy. This is just a criticism in general of the article and alone would not be grounds for deletion. If you want to learn more about AFD you can read Articles for deletion.

 * To answer your questions 2 and 3 the genders and religious views of the people involved are not really appropriate subjects in the debate. Unless you have strong reasons to believe otherwise it's always best to Assume good faith. The wording people use in AFD can sometimes seem somewhat robotic and uncaring, but the people that do it usually vote on a large number a day and sometimes fall into using shorthand. I can assure you that in an extreme majority of cases they don't have any bad feelings towards you or the article.

 * Hope that clears up your question, if not feel free to contact me on my talk page or ask on Newcomers help page :D - cohesion ★ talk 19:47, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your response in answers to my questions. I have some concerns about all this which I hope you can give me direction. Right after I asked the initial question regarding Rebecca H. Davis page for deletion, I went back into the comment box and figured out a way to put in my support of why it should NOT be deleted. The answers you gave, although WIKI in explanation, don't seem to cover some these concerns in depth nor my technical difficulties. Specifically, regarding a commentator's motives, you said that I have to use "good faith." Normally, I would agree, but when a specific commentator's personal talk page has in his bio a listing that he is an "atheist" and also boldly a "WIKI atheist" -- what am I to think when I am writing about a Christian woman -- and he adds to the negative comments? Are you telling me I am supposed to use good faith that there is NO underlying bias in his comment? If he didn't boast on his bio, then yes, I would have more reason to grant good faith. If my writing is to be encyclopedic and neutral and yet anyone can say anything they want about it, then so should I have the same freedoms to WRITE and KEEP my article, within good taste and with responsibility. ALSO, though I want to better my writing on this story for inclusion, if it is going to be deleted anyway, WHY BOTHER? I can't even further my research in FIVE DAYS. No one else but me has spoken in support, so it comes down to being outnumbered and with BIAS. And don't get me started that there are no sensitive WOMEN commentators or advocates on the lists! The advocates I found had all macho or rude entries. Thanks for your help in addressing these issues.

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 * Some people may be atheists, but they still should be acting in a neutral unbiased way. I can't answer your question about the nominator's motives other than to tell you at Wikipedia we try and assume good faith. Also we try and reach consensus about decisions, such as this article's possible deletion. The article has been deleted now, and the discussion is archived at Articles for deletion/Rebecca H. Davis. If you feel strongly that the article should not have been deleted the process you are looking for is Deletion review although I should warn you, unless you have new information about why the subject is notable the review process will likely make a similiar decision. - cohesion ★ talk 06:16, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Jacob Conrad Shafer
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John Amaechi

John Uzoma Ekwugha Amaechi, OBE (born 26 November 1970) is an English-American psychologist, consultant and former professional basketball player. He played college basketball at Vanderbilt and Penn State, and professional basketball in the National Basketball Association (NBA). Amaechi also played in France, Greece, Italy, and the United Kingdom. Since retiring from basketball, Amaechi has worked as a psychologist and consultant, establishing his company Amaechi Performance Systems.

In February 2007, Amaechi became the first former NBA player to publicly come out as gay after doing so in his memoir Man in the Middle. Since then, he has been regarded as "one of the world's most high-profile gay athletes".

Early life
Amaechi was born in Boston in the United States, to an English mother and a Nigerian Igbo father. He and his two younger sisters were raised by their mother in the Heaton Moor suburb of Stockport, England, with him attending Mersey Vale Primary School before moving on to the Stockport Grammar School, the second oldest grammar school in the north of England. He first played basketball at the age of 17, coached by Joe Forber, whom he has described as a father figure. He then signed for the short-lived Manchester United, now known as the Manchester Eagles His form for Manchester United saw Amaechi move to the United States to play high school basketball at St. John's Jesuit High School in Toledo, Ohio. He began playing college basketball at Vanderbilt but transferred to Penn State, where he was a two-time First Team Academic All-American selection. While at Penn State, Amaechi became a motivational public speaker and a mentor for area youth.

Basketball career
The 6ft 10in, 270 lb center was undrafted and then signed with the Cleveland Cavaliers in 1995. Amaechi became the first undrafted player to start in his first NBA game as the Cavaliers' starting center, Michael Cage, did not play in the season opener due to injury. Amaechi played 28 games for the Cavaliers during the 1995–96 season, then played for two years in Europe – for Cholet and Limoges in France, for Virtus Bologna in Italy, Panathinaikos in Greece and Sheffield Sharks in the United Kingdom. In September 1996, he won the FIBA Intercontinental Cup with Panathinaikos, being the highest scorer (alongside Fragiskos Alvertis) in the team with 59 points in three games of the tournament. In the 1997–98 season he played with Virtus Bologna but left mid-season.

He returned to the NBA, signing with the Orlando Magic in 1999. In the 1999–2000 season he averaged 10.5 points in 21.1 minutes per game. Amaechi was known for turning down a $17 million contract offer from the Los Angeles Lakers in 2000, opting to remain in Orlando for $600,000 per year. Amaechi went on to play for the Utah Jazz from 2001 to 2003.

He was traded to the Houston Rockets before the 2003–04 season in exchange for Glen Rice, and, though he was an active player, he did not participate in any games for them. The Rockets later traded him and Moochie Norris to the New York Knicks for Clarence Weatherspoon before the Knicks bought him out of his contract and he eventually retired from playing the sport altogether.

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Career after basketball
Amaechi came out of retirement to represent England during the 2006 Commonwealth Games in Melbourne, helping the England team win the bronze medal. In all, Amaechi appeared in 18 games for England.

He has worked in the media, particularly as a commentator on basketball for British TV shows covering the NBA, and for the BBC during Olympic games. In addition, Amaechi was a judge on the BBC Series The Speaker in 2009. He has also been a regular guest host of the BBC Radio Manchester Business show with Steven Saul and has appeared on The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz on ESPN Radio as a guest and guest co-host.

Amaechi owns Amaechi Performance Systems, which is a consultancy working with numerous companies to improve leadership and communication skills and organisational diversity.

Amaechi is a member of the American Psychological Association, the British Psychological Society (BPS), the BPS Division of Organisational Psychology and the BPS Psychological Testing Centre. Amaechi also became a Senior Fellow at the centre for Emotional Literacy and Personal Development at the University of Central Lancashire (UCLAN) in the United Kingdom.

Amaechi is also involved with the ABC Foundation in Manchester, which encourages children to become involved in sports and their communities by building youth sports centres throughout the United Kingdom. The first such facility, the Amaechi Basketball Centre, was built in Manchester, not far from Amaechi's childhood home of Stockport. The venue is also home to the English Basketball League's Manchester Magic (men) and Manchester Mystics (women), both of which are owned by Amaechi.

In a radio interview, Amaechi said that he was returning to school to get a PhD in psychology. "I want to do something more meaningful in my life," he said. Amaechi also explained why he played for Orlando in 2000 for much less than the $17 million offered to him by the Lakers; his answer was that Orlando had signed him in 1999 when no other team would. "There are many people who are asked what their word is worth, and when people ask me that I can say, 'At least $17 million.'"

Coming out
In February 2007, Amaechi spoke about his sexuality on ESPN's Outside the Lines program. He also released a book, Man in the Middle, published by ESPN Books, which discusses his career and life as a closeted professional athlete. Amaechi is the first National Basketball Association (NBA) player to speak publicly about being gay.

Few male team sports players in the United States have come out as gay. Former Major League Baseball player Billy Bean wrote an op-ed in support of Amaechi's decision.

Cyd Zeigler, the co-founder of Outsports.com, a website dedicated to the gay contribution to sports, said, "I don't think (Amaechi's declaration) will have any effect on his ability to do that," referring to Amaechi's businesses and charitable work. "You will have some people who will raise an eyebrow," Zeigler added.

In a 2002 interview with Scotland on Sunday, Amaechi had previously spoken about gays in the NBA: "If you look at our league, minorities aren't very well represented. There's hardly any Hispanic players, no Asian-Americans, so that there's no openly gay players is no real surprise. It would be like an alien dropping down from space. There'd be fear, then panic: they just wouldn't know how to handle it."

In May 2007, a few months after coming out, Amaechi said he had "underestimated America", adding that he had expected the "wrath of a nation" but it never materialised. He made these statements despite having been the subject of death threats a few months earlier.

In August 2008, Amaechi was sent to Beijing to do Olympic Men's and Women's Basketball broadcasts and reporting for the BBC. There, he wrote a blog with fellow activist and photographer Jeff Sheng in partnership with Amnesty International. He used Sheng's knowledge of Mandarin and experience in Beijing to get behind the scenes and gather candid interviews with locals and Olympic athletes alike.

In 2008, Amaechi made several appearances on Shirts & Skins, a reality series on LOGO Television. He acted as team "mentor" and "psychologist" to the San Francisco Rockdogs, a gay basketball team, and shared his experiences on basketball, life, and coming out. In 2010, Amaechi made public that he had been denied entry to a gay bar in Manchester, allegedly because the doorman felt he was "big, black and could be trouble". He said he was considering legal action.

Reaction from other players
One widely publicized response to Amaechi's announcement came from former NBA player Tim Hardaway, who stated that he would demand that a gay player be removed from his team: "First of all I wouldn't want him on my team. Second of all, if he was on my team I would really distance myself from him because I don't think that's right and I don't think he should be in the locker room when we're in the locker room. Something has to give. If you have 12 other ball players in your locker room that's upset and can't concentrate and always worried about him in the locker room or on the court or whatever, it's going to be hard for your teammates to win and accept him as a teammate." Hardaway later apologised for his remarks.

Some players gave Amaechi public support: former Magic teammate Grant Hill said: "the fact that John has done this, maybe it will give others the comfort or confidence to come out as well, whether they are playing or retiring." Shaquille O'Neal told the New York Daily News, "If he was on my team, I guess I would have to protect him from the outsiders, I'm not homophobic or anything. I'm not the type who judges people, I wish him well." Charles Barkley said: "It shouldn't be a big deal to anybody. I know I've played with gay players and against gay players and it just shouldn't surprise anybody or be any issue."

However, the prevailing public statements from NBA players tended toward an expression of mixed feelings on the matter. Steven Hunter said that he would accept an openly gay teammate "as long as he [didn't] make any advances toward me. As long as he came to play basketball like a man and conducted himself like a good person, I'd be fine with it." That sentiment was echoed, though less tactfully, by Shavlik Randolph, who said that "as long as you don't bring your gayness on me I'm fine. As far as business-wise, I'm sure I could play with him. But I think it would create a little awkwardness in the locker room." Pat Garrity warned that an openly gay player could expect to face both acceptance and hostility from his teammates. He said that "they would have teammates that would accept them for being a good person and a good teammate, and there would be people who would give him a hard time about it. I think that's true if you're playing basketball or in an office job. That's just how the world is right now." LeBron James said, "With teammates you have to be trustworthy, and if you're gay and you're not admitting that you are, then you are not trustworthy. So that's like the No. 1 thing as teammates – we all trust each other.... It's a trust factor, honestly. A big trust factor."

Awards
Amaechi was awarded an Honorary Degree of Doctor of Science by Manchester Metropolitan University on 19 July 2007 in recognition of his achievements not only as an athlete and broadcaster, but also for his charitable work with the National Literacy Trust, the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC) and the establishment of the ABC Foundation to encourage children to become involved in sport and their community.

Amaechi was appointed Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) in the 2011 Birthday Honours for services to sport and the voluntary sector. He was also conferred with an Honorary Doctorate of Arts by the University of East London.

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Alexander (satrap)

Alexander (in Greek Αλέξανδρος; died 220 BC) was brother of Molon. On the accession of the Seleucid king Antiochus III, afterwards called the Great, in 223 BC, he entrusted Alexander with the government of the satrapy of Persis and Molon received Media. Up to that time, local rulers of Persis, the Fratarakas seem to have been in charge of the region, between circa 295 and 220 BC.

Antiochus was then only fifteen years of age, and this circumstance together with the fact that Hermeias, a crafty intriguer whom every one had to fear, was all-powerful at his court, induced the two brothers to form the plan of causing the upper satrapies of the kingdom to revolt. It seems to have been the secret wish of Hermeias to see the king involved as many difficulties as possible, and it was on his advice that the war against the rebels was entrusted to men without courage and ability. In 220, however, Antiochus himself undertook the command. Molon was deserted by his troops, and to avoid falling into the hands of the king, put an end to his own life. All the leaders of the rebellion followed his example, and one of them, who escaped to Persis, killed Molon's mother and children, persuaded Alexander to put an end to his life, and at last killed himself upon the bodies of his friends.

Persis soon came under the control of the Kings of Persis, who then came under the control of the Parthians.

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Edwin Bollier

Edwin Bollier and his partner, Erwin Meister, founded Mebo Telecommunications AG in Zürich, Switzerland in 1969. The firm has traded in various electronic and telecommunication equipment and acted as consultants in the construction of radio stations.

Radio Nordsee International
In 1969–70, the partners Meister and Bollier established a commercial offshore radio station, Radio Nordsee International (RNI), in international waters aboard the radio ship Mebo II, anchored off Scheveningen,The Netherlands. Transmissions to Northwest Europe began in January, 1970. By 1971, the station had established a large listenership, especially in the Netherlands, its programs broadcast simultaneously on mediumwave (105 kW), shortwave (2 X 10 kW), and FM (1 kW). After transmissions ceased in 1974, and a lengthy legal battle with the Dutch government over its impounding of the vessel, in 1977 the Mebo II sailed for Tripoli, Libya, where it was initially leased to the Libyan government for use as a radio station; then later sunk during military target practice in the Gulf of Sidra. The deal marked the beginning of a long business relationship with Libya.

MST-13
Mebo's MST-13 timing device was claimed at the Pan Am Flight 103 bombing trial in 2000 to have triggered the bomb that brought the aircraft down over Lockerbie in Scotland on December 21, 1988.

In the early stages of the investigation into the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103, the Scottish police showed Bollier a photograph of what he said was a brown 8-ply timer fragment, from a prototype timer that was never supplied to Libya. At the Lockerbie trial, Bollier was asked to identify a green 9-ply timer fragment from an MST-13 timer, 20 of which had been delivered to Libya. He wanted to dispute the evidence but trial Judge, Lord Sutherland, did not permit him to do so.

Possibility of co-conspirator charge
Bollier had rented office space to the Libyan convicted of bombing Pan Am Flight 103.

During Bollier's testimony, it was revealed that the prosecution had been considering charging him with the same conspiracy to murder charge as the two Libyans, Megrahi and Fhimah, faced. When the defense protested that they had not been given notice of that position, prosecuting counsel, Alan Turnbull QC, told the court:
 * "If we were going to libel him we would have done so, these issues have been considered. The decision not to include him as a co-conspirator is not a recognition that he has nothing to do with the matter. The extent of his involvement is yet to be developed in evidence. It may be he has involvement in what occurred, but unless the Crown is able to adduce evidence that places him in the conspiracy, it is not appropriate to libel him as a co-conspirator."

As a discouragement to the prosecution, Bollier is alleged to have let it be known before the start of the trial that if he were to be charged for the PA 103 bombing he would call some high-ranking and controversial witnesses to appear, for example: former United States President George H. W. Bush, Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North and Gerrit Pretorius, private secretary to South Africa's former foreign minister Pik Botha.

"$4 million offer" to Bollier
In October 2007 Bollier told UN-observer Dr Hans Köchler that he had been offered, but not accepted, a payment of $4 million, together with a new identity, if he agreed to confirm that the fragment of a timer allegedly found at the Pan Am Flight 103 crash site was actually part of a Mebo MST-13 timer that his firm had supplied to Libya. He had reported the incident, after returning from the US, to the Swiss Federal Police. In a subsequent BBC documentary aired in 2008 Bollier claimed that he had been offered $200 million by the Gaddafi government if he could "... get Al Megrahi out of prison".

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The Jewel of the Nile

The Jewel of the Nile is a 1985 American action-adventure romantic comedy film directed by Lewis Teague and produced by Michael Douglas, who also starred in the lead role, reuniting with co-stars Kathleen Turner and Danny DeVito, reprising their roles from the 1984 action-adventure film Romancing the Stone.

Like Romancing the Stone, the opening scene takes place in one of Joan's novels. This time, instead of Jesse and Angelina in Joan's wild-west scenario, Joan and Jack are about to be married when pirates attack their ship. The Jewel of the Nile sends its characters off on a new adventure in a fictional African desert, in an effort to find the fabled "Jewel of the Nile".

The song performed by Billy Ocean, "When the Going Gets Tough, the Tough Get Going", became a major international hit, reaching #1 in the UK and #2 in the US.

Plot
Six months after the original events in Romancing the Stone, Joan Wilder's and Jack Colton's romance has grown stale. While moored at a port in the South of France, Joan, suffering writer's block, wants to return to New York, while Jack prefers aimlessly sailing the world on his boat, the Angelina. At a book signing engagement, Joan meets Omar Khalifa, a charming Arab ruler who wants Joan to write his biography.

Joan accepts and leaves with Omar over Jack's protests. Jack later runs into Ralph, the swindler from Jack and Joan's previous adventure in Colombia, who demands Jack turn over the stone Jack and Joan found. Shortly after, an Arab, Tarak, informs Jack about Omar's true intentions and claims that Omar has the "Jewel of the Nile"; just as Tarak finishes his explanations, the Angelina explodes from a bomb set by one of Omar's men. Ralph and Jack team up to find Joan and the fabled jewel.

Joan soon discovers that Omar is a brutal dictator rather than the enlightened ruler which he claimed will unite the Arab world. In the palace jail, Joan encounters Al-Julhara, a holy man who is, in fact, the "Jewel of the Nile" and whom Omar fears. Al-Julhara tells Joan that Omar plans to declare himself ruler of all of the Arab world at a ceremony in the city of Kadir.

Realizing that Al-Julhara is the only one who can stop Omar, Joan decides to escort him to Kadir herself. The pair escape and find Jack, and they flee into the desert in Omar's hijacked F-16 fighter jet. Ralph is captured by Tarak's rebel Sufi tribe who are sworn to protect the Jewel so he can fulfill his people's destiny.

After encountering a Nubian mountain tribe, Joan and Jack's romance is rekindled. Joan tells Jack that the jewel is not a gem stone but Al-Julhara. In Kadir, Omar intends to use a smoke-and-mirror special effect provided by a British rock promoter to convince onlookers that he is the prophet who will unite the Arab world. Jack, Joan, and Al-Julhara arrive to expose Omar but are captured. Omar suspends Jack and Joan with ropes over a deep pit (a scenario taken from Joan's biggest-selling novel, The Savage Secret) while Al-Julhara is in a stockade. Ralph, along with the Sufi tribe, arrives in time to rescue the three prisoners.

As Omar takes center stage to address the Arab people, Jack and Joan disrupt the ceremony while the Sufi battle Omar's guards. A fire breaks out, engulfing Omar's stage. Jack and Joan are separated, and Omar corners Joan atop the burning scaffolding. Ralph, using a giant crane, helps Jack reach Joan in the nick of time; he kicks Omar over the side and down into the raging flames, killing him. Al-Julhara rises and safely walks through the blazing inferno, fulfilling the prophecy that he is the true spiritual leader.

The following day, Jack and Joan are married by Al-Julhara. While Ralph is genuinely happy for Jack and Joan, he laments once again having gained nothing for his efforts, but Tarak acknowledges that he is a true Sufi friend and presents him with a jeweled dagger as Jack and Joan happily sail away down the Nile.

Cast

 * Michael Douglas as Jack Colton
 * Kathleen Turner as Joan Wilder Colton
 * Danny DeVito as Ralph
 * Spiros Focás as Omar Khalifa
 * Avner Eisenberg as Al-Julhara
 * Hamid Fillali as Rachid
 * Daniel Peacock as Rock Promoter
 * Holland Taylor as Gloria Horne
 * Guy Cuevas as Le Vasseur
 * Peter DePalma as Missionary (as Peter De Palma)
 * Mark Daly Richards as Pirate
 * The Flying Karamazov Brothers
 * Paul David Magid as Tarak
 * Howard Jay Patterson as Barak
 * Randall Edwin Nelson as Karak
 * Samuel Ross Williams as Arak
 * Timothy Daniel Furst as Sarak

Production
With a $21 million budget, principal photography began April 22, 1985 with filming wrapped on July 25, 1985. Location shooting took place at Villefranche-sur-Mer and the Palais des Festivals et des Congrès, Cannes, France, Ait Benhaddou near Ouarzazate and Meknes, Morocco, among other locations, including Zion National Park, Springdale, Utah.

At the time, both Kathleen Turner and Michael Douglas only made the sequel because they were contractually obligated to do so, although Douglas was much more invested in the film as its producer. At one point during pre-production, Turner tried to back out of the project because she found the script "terrible, formulaic, sentimental", until 20th Century Fox threatened her with a $25 million lawsuit for breach of contract. Douglas intervened on her behalf and ensured that a rewrite was made.

Turner was disappointed that Douglas did not ask Diane Thomas, the writer who had penned the script for Romancing the Stone, to return for the sequel, apparently because he decided her asking price was too high. When Douglas agreed to undertake rewrites to please Turner, Thomas was asked to consult on alterations, but Turner remained disappointed with the script. She elaborated in an interview in 2018: "'...ultimately I read the script on a plane to Morocco, where the film was shooting, and I was furious. It didn’t have what Michael said it’d have. When I got to the hotel in Fez, Michael and I sat down on the floor with three versions of the script. We were trading pages to get a script that was acceptable to both of us. It was, '“I’ll do this if you’ll do that.”' It was frustrating.'"

Filming in North Africa was dogged with problems from unbearable 120-degree-Fahrenheit heat to problems with the local crew but the most troubling concern was that the director showed that he was not up to the task of helming an action film. After one massive night scene that was hours in setup, and cast and crew in place, it was only then that someone noticed that there was no film in the cameras. As producer, Michael Douglas exploded; the whole debacle had to be re-filmed another day, only after the raw film stock was finally located. More problems with local customs cropped up, with film and equipment mysteriously held up by customs until the requisite bribes were paid. In the end, being only three weeks behind schedule was a minor triumph for Douglas.

Approximately two weeks before principal photography began, an aircraft carrying Richard Dawking (production designer) and Brian Coates (production manager) crashed during location scouting over the countryside of Morocco, killing all on board. The film is dedicated to the memory of Dawking and Coates, as well as screenwriter Diane Thomas, who had died in an automobile accident six weeks before the film's release. During filming in Morocco, Douglas and Turner, flying in an executive jet aircraft, had a near-accident when their aircraft wing struck the runway in a heavy landing.

The use of a General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon mockup was a key element of the main characters' escaping from a fortified town. The wooden, styrofoam and fibreglass mockup was built on an automobile chassis and powered by a 350ci Chevrolet engine.

As with the first film, the novelization of the sequel was credited to Joan Wilder, the character played by Kathleen Turner; both books were actually ghostwritten by Catherine Lanigan.

The Jewel of the Nile was the final film released on the RCA SelectaVision CED video format. It was also released in other media formats.

Soundtrack
"When the Going Gets Tough, the Tough Get Going", performed by Billy Ocean, and "The Jewel of the Nile", performed by Precious Wilson, play during the film and in the end credits respectively. Douglas, Turner, and DeVito also co-starred with Ocean in the MTV music video of the same name. The soundtrack features 1980s rap group Whodini and their single "Freaks Come Out at Night" as Michael Douglas and company make their way through the desert on camel back as well as "Party (No Sheep Is Safe Tonight)" by The Willesden Dodgers during the campfire party scene.

Arista released a soundtrack album on record, cassette and compact disc.

 * 1) When the Going Gets Tough, the Tough Get Going – Billy Ocean (4:09)
 * 2) I'm in Love – Ruby Turner (3:30)
 * 3) African Breeze – Hugh Masekela and Jonathan Butler (6:00)
 * 4) Party (No Sheep Is Safe Tonight) – The Willesden Dodgers (5:10)
 * 5) Freaks Come Out at Night – Whodini (4:44)
 * 6) The Jewel of the Nile – Precious Wilson (4:18)
 * 7) Legion (Here I Come) – Mark Shreeve (4:49)
 * 8) Nubian Dance – The Nubians (3:35)
 * 9) Love Theme – Jack Nitzsche (2:26)
 * 10) The Plot Thickens – Jack Nitzsche (4:15)

Reception
While The Jewel of the Nile grossed almost as much as its predecessor, the film was much less successful critically and effectively killed the franchise.

Critics felt the film was loaded with numerous plot holes and that it lacked the first film's original charm. The New York Times opened its review by writing, "There's nothing in The Jewel of the Nile that wasn't funnier or more fanciful in Romancing the Stone." Roger Ebert agreed that "... it is not quite the equal of Romancing the Stone," but praised the interplay between Douglas and Turner. "It seems clear," he wrote, "that they like each other and are having fun during the parade of ludicrous situations in the movie, and their chemistry is sometimes more entertaining than the contrivances of the plot."

Colin Greenland reviewed The Jewel of the Nile for White Dwarf #77, and stated that "The Jewel of the Nile is the sequel to Romancing the Stone, another adventure fantasy with just the right pinch of preposterousness. Against all odds, this is a sequel as enjoyable and endearing as the original."

The Jewel of the Nile holds a rating of 48% on Rotten Tomatoes based on 27 reviews. The critical consensus reads: "The sense of romantic spark has waned and the prevalence of stereotypes has grown in Jewel of the Nile, although there is still plenty of swooning action for fans of the first adventure."

Then-U.S. President Ronald Reagan viewed this film at Camp David in January 1986.

Unproduced sequels
Talk of a third film, again starring Douglas, Turner and DeVito, never got beyond a draft. In The Crimson Eagle, Jack and Joan take their two teenage kids to Thailand where they are blackmailed into stealing a priceless statue. The project languished until 1997, when Douglas as tentative producer announced he was no longer interested.

In 2005 and again in 2008, Douglas was working on a second sequel, entitled Racing the Monsoon, although there have been no further developments in recent years. Since 2007, Fox considered a remake of Romancing the Stone with the possibility of a "reboot" of a series. The roles of Jack and Joan would be filled by Taylor Kitsch (or Gerard Butler) and Katherine Heigl. By 2011, the remake was re-worked as a television series.

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