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Talk:Indefinite and fictitious large numbers

Guess what? Gajillion (which should be included in this article) is a real number. Except it's spelled gigillion. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_names_of_large_numbers and do ctrl-f. It's $${10}^{{3 * {{10}^{3,000,000,000}}} + 3}$$. Maybe this should be mentioned?

 * Yes, it should. --Merovingian (t) (c) 13:57, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Do we have a legitimate reference for "gagillion" or "gigillion" actually being used this way? I can't find this listed on Mathworld.  All is see is this AOL page, where it is mentioned by the author as one of the "names I invented". -- Curps 16:16, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Ah. I guess I may have jumped to conclusions.  --Merovingian (t) (c) 16:28, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Maybe I did too. Although if you Google some of these, you may get support. For example, "gigillion" is here, though the reference they used is a broken link. Notice, though, that "gigillion" has the prefix giga-, and before it are "megillion" and "killillion," and following it is "terillion." (recognize the kilo-, mega, and tera- prefixes?) Now, this isn't proof at all, but it means it's less likely to just have been stuck randomly in there. Twilight Realm 01:47, 13 October 2005 (UTC) Ok, I found that AOL site, right here. So, this guy just invented gigillion. Still, I think it may still have some validity to it; see the talk page of the Other_names_of_large_numbers article.

 * Doesn't 'kajillion' come from another way to pronounce 'quadrillion' (another real number)? ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 00:25, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't. 24.127.224.173 03:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

What happened to the other examples?
It took me awhile to realize that this article was in fact the same one I worked on months ago, which was about all fictional numbers like Zillion. This one just mentions others. Is there any reason to have taken out the part in the first sentence listing other fictional numbers, like gajillion, kajillion, and all the others that I can't remember? Or did some deletion-happy person just come along and take them out? Twilight Realm 05:11, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't know. But I think that some of those examples were made up by one of the past editors of this article. I spot checked a few and at least one got no GHits. Paddles TC 06:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Removing unsourced examples of "-illion" words
I think "jillion" and ''kajillion" can probably be sourced so I'm leaving them tagged for the moment. I'm moving these here. They should not be reinserted unless sourced. Dpbsmith (talk) 09:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Many similar words are used, such as hojillion, kabajillion', bagillion, jabillion, fajillion, skajillion, optillion, xellion, googillion, fafillion, infillion, zoogol, gazoogol, joogol, gajoogol, gozillion, and jijillion.

I know that "hojillion" is used in Kingdom of Loathing; does that count? (Source: ) --Poochy 07:23, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Brazillian?

 * Donald Rumsfeld is giving the president his daily briefing. He concludes by saying: "Yesterday, 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed."
 * "OH NO!" the President exclaims. "That's terrible!"
 * His staff sits stunned at this display of emotion, nervously watching as the President sits, head in hands.
 * Finally, the President looks up and asks, "How many is a brazillion?"

This joke was all over usenet and blogs last year, I wonder if it deserves a mention in this article. - Ugliness Man 14:25, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

 * It already is mentioned, without the Bush/Rumsfeld specifics. - DavidWBrooks 16:28, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Transwiki to wikitionary?
I don't think it's a good idea. Comments? — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 02:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

 * It's nothing but a list of words and their origins. Why do you think transwikiing would a bad idea? —Ruud 02:12, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Does Wikitionary have such lists? In any case, the list of real large numbers is not much different.  — Arthur Rubin |  (talk) 08:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

 * It should probably be split up in an entry for each number on wiktionary. Names of large numbers provides some more information than a simple list of names and in which situation it was used (especially if long and short scales was to be merged into it.) —Ruud 22:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

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zillion
i actually thought 'zillion' was official for 10^18. i thought you officially have million, billion, trillion, quadrillion and then zillion. did i really believe in a ghost?· Lygophile   has   spoken  15:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC) nm, i read that somewhere a long time ago. i think it was actually some school book..:/· Lygophile   has   spoken  15:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

A new page
I have created Indefinite and fictitious numbers (note the missing word "large"), which points to Umpteen, and which I would also like to point to this page, perhaps renamed as Zillion. (I know that zillion renaming is an old issue) This came up because of a merge request of Umpteen to this page, except Umpteen isn't necessarily "large." Any thoughts? - DavidWBrooks 16:35, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


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Rudy Bozak

Rudolph Thomas Bozak (1910–1982) was an audio electronics and acoustics designer and engineer in the field of sound reproduction. His parents were Bohemian Czech immigrants; Rudy was born in Uniontown, Pennsylvania. Bozak studied at Milwaukee School of Engineering; in 1981, the school awarded him an honorary doctorate in engineering. Bozak married Lillian Gilleski; the two had three daughters: Lillian, Mary and Barbara.

Loudspeakers
Fresh out of college in 1933, Rudy Bozak began working for Allen-Bradley, an electronics manufacturer based in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Bozak would later employ Allen-Bradley components in his own electronic designs.

Bozak moved to the East Coast in 1935 to work for Cinaudagraph out of Stamford, Connecticut. Two years later he was chief engineer. At the 1939 New York World's Fair, a tower topped with a cluster of eight 27" Cinaudagraph loudspeakers in 30" frames with huge 450 lb. field coil magnets covered low frequency duties for a 2-way PA system at Flushing Meadows. The loudspeakers were mounted into horns with 14' wide mouths and were each driven by a 500 watt amplifier derived from a high-power radio broadcast tube. In June 1940, Electronics magazine published an article that Bozak had written about the design of the 27" loudspeaker.

During World War II, Bozak worked with Lincoln Walsh at Dinion Coil Company in Caledonia, New York developing very high voltage power supplies for radar.

Bozak joined C.G. Conn in 1944 to help them develop an electronic organ. While in Elkhart, Indiana, he noticed that the human sense of hearing was unpredictable at best. Years later, Bozak recounted this story about the Conn electronic organ project: "The general sales manager, who was a pianist and played organ, sat down and played the thing and said it was great, just what we were looking for. A week later he was invited back into the laboratory and sat down and played the instrument again. He didn’t play ten or fifteen bars when he said, This goddamn thing doesn’t sound right. What did you guys do to it?’ We said we hadn’t done anything. Well, he didn’t believe us. ‘You did something to it. You messed it up here,’ he said. ‘Restore it back to the way you had it.’ So what we did was let the damn instrument sit there for another week, and he comes back and plays it again. ‘Now this is the way it should be,’ he says."

In 1948 Bozak moved his family to North Tonawanda, New York to develop organ loudspeakers for Wurlitzer. While there, Bozak experimented at home in a loudspeaker laboratory he housed in his basement. One design of his featured a kettle drum shell as the loudspeaker enclosure.

In 1950 Bozak was hired as a consultant by McIntosh Laboratory to develop a square loudspeaker driver unit but it was not an engineering success. In 1952 he was making driver units for the McIntosh F100 speaker system. Though these sold reasonably well, McIntosh did not develop the design further. This experience led him to form his own company, Bozak Loudspeakers, in Stamford, Connecticut.

Bozak met Emory Cook in the early 1950s; the two hit it off and began working in a shared warehouse basement facility in Stamford. Cook and Bozak thrilled the audio world in 1951 with Cook's ground-breaking stereo recording of train sounds at night: Rail Dynamics. Together, Bozak and Cook implemented a stereo loudspeaker system that would be able to show Cook's stereo recordings to best effect.

By the mid-1950s, Bozak had expanded into new quarters at 587 Connecticut Avenue in South Norwalk, with an export office in Hicksville, New York.

The foundation of Bozak loudspeaker design was the unique Bozak cone. The woofer cone was molded from a slurry containing paper pulp, lamb's wool and other ingredients in a secret process. The cone was made thicker at the center, becoming progressively thinner toward the periphery. An additional doping of the inner area further strengthened the cone center. The result was a cone with 'variable density' from center to rim with virtually no breakup or standing waves, the major sources of distortion in more conventional paper cones.

The original midrange and tweeter cones were paper. In 1961 the B-209 midrange cone was changed to a radical new design. The material was very thin spun aluminum which took much of its strength from its curvilinear profile along the radius. The cone received a thin coating of latex in order to damp the surface reflections that otherwise would occur on a metal surface which is vibrated rapidly. The design was patented and was largely responsible for the superb transient response of the Bozak B-209B and B-209C midrange.

In 1961 the original B-200X paper-cone tweeter re-appeared as the B-200Y, using the same basic cone design of the midrange.

The Concert Grand was the crown jewel of Bozak speaker systems since its introduction in 1951. This refrigerator-sized speaker system originally contained four B-199 12" woofers, one 8 Ohm B-209 6" midrange driver and eight tweeters. The B-310 and B-310A were the mono versions in which the tweeters were arranged as a sector of a sphere for widest distribution of high frequencies. The 'stereo' B-310B and B-400 had the eight tweeters arranged in a vertical row. All Concert Grand models starting from the B-310A contained two 16 Ohm B-209 midrange drivers. The Concert Grand loudspeakers were designed to fill large spaces and were not at their best with listeners closer than 20 feet away. In 1965, a pair of B-410 Concert Grands cost US$2000. Such a high price limited ownership to a small number of hi-fi aficionados and audiophiles. The model line continued to be manufactured by Bozak until 1977. Henry Mancini and Benny Goodman, good friends of Rudy Bozak, owned Concert Grand speaker systems. Jack Webb put a pair in his Mark VII Productions listening room.

In 1961, Bozak introduced the B-4000 Symphony. This was sort of "half a Concert Grand," using two 12" woofers, one midrange and the same vertical array of eight tweeters as the Concert Grands. Again, the Symphony was considered to have better imaging than its "big brother" (which was also consider by some listeners to be bass heavy) but was at its best when listeners were no closer than 15 feet. The Symphony was eventually offered in four cabinet styles.

The backbone of the Bozak line was the B-302A system, offered in several cabinet styles over a period of years. The 302A systems consisted of one 12" woofer, one midrange driver and one tweeter pair. A 'starter' version, the B-300, was a 2-way system consisting of one 12" woofer and one tweeter pair mounted across the front of the woofer. A single capacitor sufficed as the crossover 'network' for the B-300. The system could be expanded to a 3-way B-302A by adding a midrange and full 3-way Bozak crossover.

Acoustic suspension arrived in the loudspeaker marketplace in 1955, making it possible to get low bass from a small, bookshelf-sized enclosure. This seriously affected the sales of "big box" speaker systems of all brands. Rudy Bozak never offered an acoustic suspension speaker system; he stated that the full transient response and clean bass for which his woofers were famous could not be obtained with the heavier, reinforced woofer cones necessary for acoustic suspension. Bozak began offering smaller speaker systems to answer consumer demand, but none were noted for exceptional performance until the LS-200 and LS-200A of the late 1970s.

Commercial sound
For commercial sound reinforcement, Bozak introduced a biamped columnar loudspeaker in 1962. In 1963, the newly established commercial loudspeaker division was employing about 60 people dedicated to manufacturing the columnar model which was proving a great success. At 18 years of age Bob Betts was hired as Rudy's lab technician, but was soon put in charge of the Acoustics Lab, in 1965. Betts became chief engineer in 1968 after returning from the Vietnam war. Rudy Bozak and Betts traveled extensively on company business and Bozak often tutored Betts with his college work.

For the 1964 New York World's Fair, Bozak again put forward a new loudspeaker design; this time in the Vatican Pavilion. Hemispherical ceiling-mounted loudspeakers (the CM-109-2) were developed and installed with great success.

Bozak accepted occasional United States Department of Defense contracts including an underwater low frequency driver intended for acoustic communication between ocean-going vessels and a vibration platform that Bozak employees called "The Shaker" which was meant to test the integrity of electronic assemblies in action.

The company name changed from "R.T. Bozak Co." to "Bozak, Inc" in the mid- 1960s.

DJ mixers
Bozak is often remembered today for his advanced designs of DJ mixers which allowed the development of the concept of disc jockey mixing and 'discotheques'. Beginning with the Bozak CMA-6-1 and CMA-10-1, 6 and 10-input monaural units of the mid 1960s, the peak of development was reached with the stereo Bozak CMA-10-2DL; a unit that was very quickly accepted as the standard of its day. The Bozak CMA mixers were very expensive: they used high-grade Allen-Bradley components, hand-selected transistors, and were of modular construction for ease of servicing and expansion.

C/M Laboratories, co-founded by Wayne Chou and Nick Morris, collaborated with Rudy Bozak, in the mid-1960s on the construction of basic mono mixers and power amplifiers. C/M Labs designed the CMA-10 mixer intended for orchestral sound reinforcement; it was produced in small quantities. C/M Labs also designed and built amplifiers and other integrated electronics for Bozak and used Bozak speakers to test their gear. In 1968 Bozak brought these electronic products into the Bozak factory and developed them further. The CMA-10-2 and 10-2DL mixer was designed at Bozak for sale to discotheques.

Bozak didn't cease production of DJ mixers until some years after the death of Rudy Bozak. Meanwhile the design of the famed CMA series of mixers was cloned by UREI as their model 1620 until they ceased production at which point the mixer was cloned by Rane as their model 2016a. In 2005, Soundcraft began to offer a UREI-Soundcraft badged 1620LE, with 'LE' standing for 'Limited Edition'.

The Bozak brand is now owned by Analog Developments Ltd. who have released electronic products such as the ISO-X isolator and the AR-6 DJ mixer. They own the website www.bozak.com. The Bozak brand as of 2016 does not make speakers or carry parts.

Digital delay
Bozak developed an electronic digital delay device in the early 1970s and used it to align loudspeakers in time within event spaces. The Bozak DA-4003 delay, Bozak amplifiers and various Bozak loudspeaker models were used by Donald E. Gilbeau and Dr. J. Christopher Jaffe in 1975 to emulate a concert hall experience outdoors; Jaffe received a patent for the concept.

Final years
Saul Marantz joined Bozak as consultant in the mid 1970s. He helped with esthetic details of certain products. When both Bozak and Marantz teamed up to demonstrate loudspeakers at Hi-Fi events and audio engineering conventions, a sizable crowd would form. Bozak shifted from using McIntosh amplifiers for powering his loudspeakers to using Marantz amplifiers.

The B-401 Rhapsody speaker was reviewed in August 1974, in High Fidelity, where it was said to have good power handling and a more constant impedance curve than most. Other auditors found a lack of bass response.

The last Bozak project that Rudy Bozak himself was an integral part of involved a thorough redesign of the B-200Y tweeter which had been a staple of Bozak loudspeakers since its introduction in 1962. The new design echoed earlier changes to the B-209 midrange: the standard tweeter cone shape was modified into a dished open horn shape that flattened out gradually from the center to the periphery. The new design became the B-200Z. Its basic curvilinear configuration was settled in 1974 but production didn't get underway until 1976 and early 1977. The new tweeter extended high frequency response to 16,000 Hz.

When Rudy Bozak turned 67 in 1977, he offered an opportunity for an employee buy-out headed by Bob Betts, his chief engineer. The arrangements required the personal loans of several key employees and would take a few months to transact. Bozak didn't wait for an employee buy-out; with a handshake promise to retain certain crucial employees, Rudy sold the rights to his corporation to an existing business headed by Joseph Schlig. Bozak stayed on in a minor consulting role. Quality was seen to go quickly downhill; the new owners appeared to longtime employees as being interested only in pulling money out of the operation. Betts and other company management officers left the company one by one.

Still, several good loudspeaker designs came out of a new engineering effort. In 1975, Bruce Zayde was hired by Bozak and Schlig as technical director; he began by implementing computer-aided design (CAD) as a tool, hosted on an HP 9800 running a COMTRAN program developed by Deane Jensen. Zayde introduced Thiele/Small design principles regarding system development so that loudspeakers could be optimized at the outset for any proposed configuration. The LS-300 became the first Bozak loudspeaker model to be produced wholly from a preconceived design goal. It was also the first Bozak loudspeaker with reflex ports. It was positively reviewed in April 1979, in High Fidelity.

Rudy Bozak was not in favor of using ports or vents to tune loudspeaker enclosures for greater low-frequency output from a smaller box. He was a purist; he felt that the impulse and transient response of ported designs was inferior and that the augmented bass was too boomy. By the late 1970s, this stance was considered old fashioned; the greater majority of home and professional loudspeakers were using ported designs. As the first ported loudspeaker model was being prototyped at his former company, Rudy Bozak remained skeptical but was willing to stand back and observe the results achieved using the new scientific design methods.

In 1976, Peter Ledermann was hired as assistant to Bruce Zayde but on his second day was thrust into the role of Director of Engineering; Zayde was quitting. Ledermann spent the next two years re-engineering the complete electronic product line, including putting into production the 902, a bucket-brigade based rear channel delay unit. His efforts put Bozak once again into the position of being able to produce and service electronic products reliably and repeatedly. Later, working with Richard Majestic, for whom Ledermann worked previously at RAM Audio, the two men designed the new Listener series, the LS-200A, 220-A, 330-A and others, employing a soft dome tweeter for the first time, as the Bozak tweeter did not have the top end range extension needed to attract the changing marketplace.

Ledermann relates how Rudy Bozak himself was treated by Bozak's management: "...the new owners of the company relegated him to a dark, unlit corner of the upper floor of the production building near the bundles of stocked cotton wool acoustic stuffing. At the right time of afternoon, when the light streamed in from one of the few windows, you could see the air filled with particulate matter and through it, if you knew where to look, a small, round faced man with felt cap could be usually found sitting in the dark at his old desk with the one small lamp illuminating his face." In 1979, Ledermann designed the Bozak MB80 bookshelf speaker and brought it to the marketplace. This compact loudspeaker contained a soft dome tweeter, a 6" 209-W wide range aluminum driver designed by Ledermann, and a modified first order crossover. The MB-80 employed tweeter clipping protection and indication. Rudy Bozak took note of the project, but did not participate in the design.

In early 1982, Rudy Bozak died. His wife Lillian and their son-in-law Don Parks reorganized the company and quality of workmanship made a brief comeback from 1983 to 1985. The LS-200A loudspeaker, a ported model, was reviewed in May 1984, in Stereo Review. The facility relocated several times: Newington, Bristol and New Britain but management was unable to sustain the effort. Finally, the company's assets were put into truck trailers to await final disposition. The company tooling was sold to Bill Kieltyka, president of New England Audio Resource (N.E.A.R.), an audiophile loudspeaker manufacturer based in Lewiston, Maine. N.E.A.R. redesigned the Bozak Bard outdoor speaker to have an epoxy-covered wooden enclosure rather than the original aluminum one. Much later, in 1997, Bogen bought N.E.A.R. to obtain the rights to Bozak's former outdoor speaker line. A civil court case was initiated by Seal Audio, Inc. (Joseph Schlig, CEO, President and Director) against Bozak, Inc. The Bozak name was sold to overseas interests who began to produce Bozak-branded equipment in China.

Legal precedent
In 1986, the appeal was decided in the court case between Seal Audio, Inc. and Bozak, Inc. Aside from the verdict, the case is often quoted in Connecticut state law as it established precedent in defining the timing of objections to state referees when serving as fact finders appointed by the chief justice. In Connecticut, consent is required by both parties when a state referee is appointed. Seal Audio had filed no objection to the findings of the state referee until the case was taken to appeal; the Supreme Court of Connecticut found implicit consent in Seal Audio's lack of objection at that time. The case has subsequently been quoted as meaning that "a party cannot withhold objection in anticipation of favorable outcome while reserving right to impeach decision if it later proves to be unfavorable."

Professional organizations
In 1938, Bozak was elected to Associate Grade membership with the Institute of Radio Engineers.

By 1963, Bozak was on the Board of Governors of the Audio Engineering Society for two years. He served in the same capacity again for two years starting in 1970. Bozak was awarded an AES Fellowship in 1965 for "valuable contributions to the advancement in or dissemination of knowledge of audio engineering or in the promotion of its application in practice." In 1970, Rudy T. Bozak won the AES John H. Potts Award (now the Gold Medal), their highest award for outstanding, sustained achievement in the field of audio engineering.

Patents

 * Switch for electrical musical instruments. US patent 2567870. C.G.Conn Ltd., 1951.
 * Metallic diaphragm for electrodynamic loudspeakers. US patent 3093207. R.T.Bozak Mfg. Co., 1963.
 * Compliant annulus for loudspeaker and related circuit. US patent 3436494. R.T.Bozak Mfg. Co., 1969.
 * Edge-damped diaphragm for electrodynamic loudspeakers. US patent 3837425. Bozak, Inc., 1973.

Popular culture
Many references to Bozak (often spelled Bozack) can be found in modern hip hop music song titles and lyrics where the word can stand for the Bozak DJ mixer as well as for ability and virility:

A producer known as "Mister Bozack" has worked with Def Jam Recordings on several rap albums for Redman and EPMD.
 * Newcleus Jam On It
 * EPMD Get The Bozack, Back to the Rap and Mr. Bozack
 * 3rd Bass Kick Em in the Grill
 * Redman Jam 4 U
 * Tom Browne Funkin for Jamaica
 * Beastie Boys Sure Shot
 * Beastie Boys Professor Booty
 * House of Pain Jump Around

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Jurong East St 13
Hm, you live on Jurong East St 13? Near Fuhua Pri Sch? So you went to Fuhua Pri right? I may have met you then, haha. Let's see... You were born in 1992? So you're 3 grades lower than me, that means when I was in Pri 4 you were in Pri 1... Hm. Haha. -Hmib 06:04, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Where does Hmib live?Not in BLK 122...

 * Not BLK 122 nor the immediate vincinity, but I went to Fuhua Pri. I still know a few people from there, I think, Armritraj who lives in BLK 120, which was a townhouse, IIRC... Anyway I'm not even in SG, now in Olympia, WA. BTW don't vandalize, please. -Hmib 07:07, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

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As for Fuhua Pri... somewhat familiar... Frugality and honesty, our motto to endeavour... can't remember anything beyond that though. I'll do what I can, though given the rampant deletion of elementary school articles on wikipedia I don't think it'll last... besides, I don't have access to Fuhua propa... I mean advertising material.

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Fuhua Pri might be schoolcruft...

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Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 12

Forbes Global CEO Conference in Sydney - 30 August
If anyone is going to be in Sydney on the night of 30 August, they may want to do a little bit of Wikireporting. Unlike Wikipedia, Wikinews allows you to do original reporting and research.

There is a project page on Wikinews to co-ordinate coverage.

- Borofkin 05:13, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Alternatively, you can take a look at the 2005 Forbes Global CEO Conference Wikipedia article. - Borofkin 04:56, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Triple J's Impossible Music Festival
I notice the above article had been created so I decided to clean it up and expand it a little. It seems there are a few major live music venues which don't have articles! Is anyone knowledgeable enough to write about Hordern Pavilion, The Palace (venue)/The Palace, Melbourne, Iwaki Auditorium, Summersault (festival), Phoenician Club, Festival Hall, Capitol Theatre, Sydney, Corner Hotel, Enmore Theatre, Transformer (venue), SBW Independent Theatre, Royal Antler Hotel or State Theatre? -- Chuq 12:57, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Meetup in Melbourne, November 15
Angela will be in Melbourne for a conference in November. She would like to meet up with local Wikipedians on Tuesday, November 15. Time and venue are still undecided, I thought we could start discussing that when we know where Angela will be staying, which we don't yet. But put it in your diary. -- Tim Starling 22:14, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've expressed interest in travelling to Melbourne for a weekend Wikimeet (I'm in Hobart) if given sufficient warning - unfortunately I'm not able to get there on weekdays. However I'll be in Sydney October 6th to 12th if anyone is up for one then? -- Chuq 01:56, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I would be interested in attending any kind of meet-up in Melbourne. Cnwb 05:59, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Photos
Further to the discussion on Parliamentary photos: is this a legitimate photo? . If it is, can we phrase our Parliamentary photo acknowledgement the same way? Adam 05:34, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Australia doesn't have crown copyright. Australian copyright law has no special provisions regarding use of materials whose copyright is owned by an Australian government.  So I guess the answer is no. Hesperian 06:01, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Australia does have crown copyright, but it doesn't work the same way as that of the UK. In Australian law crown copyright means that the government owns the copyrights om anything made under it's direction or control, there are provisions for fair dealing similar to fair use. --nixie 07:15, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, I want someone to come up with a formula that enables us to use these photos. It seems absurd that Wikipedians from every other country can use official photos of their elected officials and we cannot - not because the Parliament won't let us, but because of this silly Wikipedia rule. Adam 07:26, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I think AustraliaGov, with the email from AUSPIC pasted on the image discussion page should cover it.--nixie 09:08, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I will try tagging some photos like this:

 * This photograph is held under Crown copyright by the Commonwealth of Australia. The responsible Commonwealth agency, AUSPIC, gave written permission on 2 August 2005 for this photograph to be used at Wikipedia (see following). The use of this image by is contended to be fair dealing in Australia and fair use in the United States. (Letter from AUSPIC to User:Adam Carr: "Dear Dr Carr, Approval is granted to reproduce images nominated below [photographs of Members, Senators and Governors-General appearing in current and past editions of the Parliamentary Handbook] on the Wikipedia website. Subsequent use by a third pary will incur reproduction fees if that use is of a commercial nature. Copyright remains with AUSPIC. Peter West, Director, AUSPIC auspic@aph.gov.au)"

Adam 06:16, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * That seems reasonable. It's unfortunate we need to go to all this trouble just to use pictures of our politicians. Perhaps a link should be provided in the tag to AWNB so that we can deal collectively with any who might have quibbles.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 06:21, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

I have added photos to William Deane and Bill Hayden with the above tag. Let's see what happens. I hope to get some support from other people here for the use of these photos. Adam 13:37, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

SMH Icon article
In case you missed it - I think pretty trivial but here tis: Wikipedia Worries, Sydney Morning Herald 27 August. Concerns raised in the article were fictional entries, spam and marketing.--AYArktos 08:54, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I find this quote particularly interesting:

 * However, the concern continues. One anonymous reader contacted Boingboing telling them he worked at a marketing company that uses Wikipedia for its online marketing strategies.

 * "That includes planting of viral information in entries, modification of entries to point to new promotional sites or 'leaks' embedded in entries to test diffusion of information. Wikipedia is just a more transparent version of [online meeting place] Myspace as far as some companies are concerned. We love it."

 * -- Chuq 21:56, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * The issue of links to commercial sites is a problem, say for example in the Car accident article where one firm of US lawyers seems to contantly spam the site. I don't understand the term "viral entries" in the context of plain text unless they are referring to some sort of subliminal content.  I guess that is why so many of us have extensive watch lists and spend too much of our time reverting out inappropriate additions.  I don't see it as a big problem at present in Australian content articles though.  A bigger problem seems to be vandalism apparently from school students.--AYArktos 22:30, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

John Brogden
This is a major news story, yet it is constantly being removed from WP:ITN. However, I notice that Pat Robertson's comment get to stay on this template for a very long time. It appears that US-centricism strikes again. Anyone who feels as disgusted with this as I do please feel free to comment on Template talk:In the news. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:35, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Spoken like a true New South Welshman who thinks Sydney is the center of the universe. The fact is that the United States is the biggest and most powerful country on Earth, and when somebody who's moderately influential in the Republican Party suggests the assassination of a foriegn leader it *is* more important than an Opposition Leader in an Australian state making stupid remarks.  How interested would you be if the Premier of Bavaria which has a population more than twice that of New South Wales, or maybe Alberta, resigned in similar circumstances?  --Robert Merkel 05:45, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * If they resigned, then it should go on WP:ITN. As for your lovely bit of abuse about me living in NSW, charming. You are a lovely piece of work: firstly, I am well aware that NSW is not the center of the universe. If the opposition leader in QLD resigned in similar circumstances, I would add this also. Secondly, noone was assasinated that I am aware. Thirdly, you are comparing notablility by population. Basically, by your reasoning, if Charles King had committed his massive electoral fraud today instead of in 1927 then you would not allow it on the template either. In any case, I find your comments to be rather horrid, and uncalled for. Ever read Assume good faith? I suggest you start now. - Ta bu shi da yu 10:06, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, as far as being rude and personal, that was indeed uncalled for and I apologise. I do, however, stand by the substantive point.  From a global perspective, or even an English-speaking world perspective, the resignation of any state/province Opposition Leader (or equivalent) is relatively small bikkies, whether they are from New South Wales, New Jersey, or Nova Scotia.  And, yes, the size and economic influence of the particular jurisdiction is relevant.  Would you expect anyone from outside Australia to care if Jodeen Carney resigned under virtually any circumstances? --Robert Merkel 12:18, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Apology accepted. This was massive news - almost every paper in Australia picked it up and a considerable number of overseas papers picked it up also. When he attempted self-harm, the story got even bigger. If a bigger issue displaces this one, by all means we should let it scroll off the template. - Ta bu shi da yu 07:44, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Although it's oddly co-incidental in that they both made stupid remarks (and are of the right ;-)). I've made comments again at Template talk:In the news. --Cyberjunkie | Talk 06:00, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Repeatedly replacing one bit of non-notable news with another bit of non-notable news seems to violate WP:POINT.--nixie 03:48, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * This is the second time I have read you say this about me. Please show me the edit where I replaced anything. Oh? Can't find it? You won't be able to as I did not do this. - Ta bu shi da yu 10:06, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

A bit of decorum, please! Adam 10:19, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Might want to add something about his apparent suicide attempt. I would do it myself, but I can't because the page is protected. -- All the best, Nickj (t) 22:41, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Election coverage - request for comment
New Zealand has its general election in one week's time. Can Australians who covered the 2004 Australian election for Wikipedia comment at the New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board on what pages were set up and how the coverage on Wikipedia was organised. Any suggestions for improvements we could make to the process? Thanks in advance.-gadfium 02:58, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Help requested to get to stub status for every Sydney suburb
Folks, I'm making a big push to get to stub status (with a mapping info), or better, for every single Sydney suburb. I need some help to do this though - details are here. -- All the best, Nickj (t) 08:55, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Darryl White
I wrote this article recently and think it's pretty good. I'm interested in others' comments, so I've sent it to peer review. Note that I've deliberately not broken it up into sections as I feel it would disrupt the flow of the article, but see what you think. --The Brain of Morbius 00:33, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Aussie rules team template
I've just created Template:Aussie rules team to provide consistent formatting between various notable teams (such as Indigenous Team of the Century) listed in WP.--The Brain of Morbius 12:36, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Image request
Does anyone have a photo of or easy access to some native Australian crustaceans, marron, yabbies, red claw, crabs etc to take a photo? Or an exotic underwater pic from the Great Barrier reef showing other marine invertebrates? I need a pic for Fauna of Australia. Thanks in advance. --nixie 07:09, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I offer one small crab but can't tell you much more than we exchanged looks at Batemans Bay, New South Wales.  Regards--AYArktos 10:38, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll see if I can find out what type fo crab it is.--nixie 11:38, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The crab has been identified as probably being Ocypode cordimana: Common Ghost Crab or Smooth-handed Ghost Crab. The characteristics include one claw being much larger than the other.  Reference: Australian Department of Environment and Heritage page on this species.  I took another photo which perhaps better illustrates the characteristics and matches the DEH picture - Image:BBayCrab2.jpg  --AYArktos 10:58, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Collaboration of the fortnight
The new Australian Collaboration is History of Queensland. Seven people have made a significant change to Snowtown murders over the last three weeks, although a lot remains to make a complete article. If you can stomach it and want to keep at it, there are some good references listed at the end. History of Queensland has been created from a timeline in Queensland, and needs to be expanded and written as prose - the talk page has a preliminary to do list. --Scott Davis Talk 14:46, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I've put in a bit of information on

considering also putting some more info on significant sport events, rugby or cricket? not much else happened in 20th C. queensland! Astrokey44 04:20, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Aboriginal wars
 * forced labour Kanakas
 * white australia policy
 * Pauline Hanson & One Nation

Renaming of Uluru article
User:Hottentot has recently renamed Uluru to Ayers Rock. I am not sure that the user is Australian. There is some discussion on the talk page about the name but none of it conclusive. This user has renamed the article woithout discussion. The rock is officially known as Uluru in Australia. What do other wikipedians think the article should be called?--AYArktos 00:27, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

 * According to the Gazeteer of Australia, the official name is "Uluru", and the "alternative name" is "Ayers Rock". I think we should use the official name. Snottygobble | Talk 00:33, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I've moved it back, the changes to the text where Uluru has been replaced by Ayers Rock need to be fixed.--nixie 00:47, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

 * The user making the moves is also moving other sites with traditional names to their european names, like the Olgas could Australian's please weigh in on the various talk pages to guage some support or the lack of support for these moves.--nixie 01:57, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I've moved it back, and made a comment on the talk page. Snottygobble | Talk 02:10, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

 * My comment was wrong and has been corrected. A dual naming policy has been adopted.  The official name of Uluru/Ayers Rock is literally "Uluru/Ayers Rock".  Similarly, the official name of Kata Tjuta appears to be "Kata Tjuta/Mount Olga". Snottygobble | Talk 02:20, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I have just edited Uluru to indicate that its official name is "Uluru / Ayers Rock", along with a little bit of background to its dual name. Since I have argued above that we should be avoiding the naming debate by adopting the official name, I'm going to stick to my guns and ask: how would people feel about renaming the article Uluru / Ayers Rock? Snottygobble | Talk 02:43, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

I can find no evidence that "Uluru / Ayers Rock" is the official name (I consider official to mean government usage). See, for example, the homepage for the Uluru - Kata Tjuta National Park, at the Department of Environment and Heritage, which quite clearly uses "Uluru". All other usage at DEH is "Uluru". All usage at the Northern Territory Government's site is "Uluru":. See also usage at the Alice Springs site, or at Geoscience Australia, or even Johnny's site. Google gets 13,000 results for 'uluru site:.gov.au', as opposed to about 90 for ' "uluru / ayers rock" site:.gov.au'. On this basis I would not support a move, since the article is already named correctly. --bainer (talk) 09:15, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Here's my evidence: . Your evidence is pretty compelling but: if the very government department that produces the gazetteer ignores the offical name, why should we use it?  My votes is still for the official name, but I'm not feeling so strongly about it now. Snottygobble | Talk 12:11, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't mind much as long as consensus is reached. However, that being said I prefer Uluru and I don't think the article should be named Ayers Rock.  The Geoscience Australia site is obviously not consistent: a place name search on that site for Uluru brings up the official name of "Uluru / Ayers Rock". If we go with the official name  I suspect it would be the amalgam notwithstanding common government usage and consequent Google hits.--AYArktos 10:17, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Its important that regardless of what you search for (Uluru or Ayres Rock) you get the same result as both names are widely accepted, whether or not they are the official names or not --bacco007 07:37, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

The name of a place is what people call it. This seems to be a case where it is a matter of contention rather than convention, and two views apply. Ayers Rock is more widely known and longer established, and consequently you find that travel agents are tending to drop "Uluru" and use "Ayers Rock" instead. As an example, go to this site and click on the South Australia map.

I think it is important that people looking for the article, regardless of which term they enter, be able to get to the right place, and that we take an NPOV stance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.51.32.148 (talk • contribs) 22:59, 20 September 2005
 * The present availability of redirects ensure that people looking for the article will come across it, even including the misspelling Ayres Rock which in fact produces a fair number of google hits and is intended to refer to Ayers Rock.--User:AYArktos | Talk 00:18, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Naming conventions
There's been a dispute about shopping centre naming conventions at Talk:List of suburbs of Canberra. Garglebutt wants to create a Canberra-only convention that we name them as we would suburbs, in contradiction to every other shopping centre article on Wikipedia, both in Australia and overseas. I think this is silly. In any case, feedback would be appreciated. Ambi 03:04, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * This is inaccurate and only part of the debate at Talk:List of suburbs of Canberra. Ambi has been enforcing her opinion of naming conventions in the Canberra Project without allowing for debate. Garglebutt / (talk) 03:48, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I've been resisting attempts to change them without debate. Now there is debate. Ambi 04:04, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually you didn't resist at all and reverted my changes repeatedly which is why I created the debate and asked for a vote rather than having you blocked for 3RR again. The overall conclusion was that most commercial centres don't warrant articles and should be rolled into their suburb which suits me fine. Garglebutt / (talk) 12:40, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I did not violate the 3RR, thank you very much. I reverted your changes as they were against naming conventions, three times if I recall correctly. There was discussion, and people come up with some good points. With that in mind, I can accept redirecting Jamison Centre until I can get together a decent article about it (which I'll begin preparing for tonight). There was no such consensus about "most commercial centres" (most of them already have decent articles, several written by editors that commented there). Ambi 13:45, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, firstly let me say I don't know much about Canberra suburbs or Canberra's shopping centres. For the Sydney suburbs though, we've been keeping shopping centres off the list thus far (e.g. someone added Warringah Mall, and it got removed after some discussion). Currently the shopping centre articles and the suburb articles are one and the same thing in most cases though (e.g. Miranda, New South Wales), (or don't exist yet, in the case of which Warringah Mall), which makes it much easier. We also list localities in italics, to distinguish them from suburbs, because there are some places which are well known but which aren't officially suburbs. It's a bit of grey line as to whether a shopping centre is a locality, and therefore could be listed, but for the time being we've said they're not, because they're not defined as suburbs or localities by the Geographical Names Board of NSW, and because they don't seem to appear in our street directories in the index of suburbs and localities. However, Canberra and Sydney are very different cities, so you folks need to use whatever works best in your context. -- All the best, Nickj (t) 00:44, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Lake Macquarie
I've started a new city WikiProject, WikiProject Lake Macquarie. There is some confusion among Australians about the classification of places within the Lake Macquarie LGA, some people calling them independent towns, some calling them suburbs of Newcastle. However, residents of Lake Macquarie are in general deeply offended if they are told they are part of Newcastle, just like residents of Port Stephens. Luckily for them, the facts are on their side, Lake Macquarie is Newcastle's slightly larger neighbour, with its own independent local government. I'll provide whatever references are needed to convince everyone of this.

Because of this general confusion, Lake Macquarie articles have been inconsistently categorised and formatted in the past, and this is the perfect problem for a WikiProject to address. I hope some other interested people will join this WikiProject and help in creating lots of great articles about this area. -- Tim Starling 09:00, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

 * I think you need separate articles for the lake and the city, perhaps start Lake Macquarie (lake) ??. Cfitzart 09:25, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, probably. I imagine the lake article would be pretty short to start with though. -- Tim Starling 09:41, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

 * It seems a little strange to have Lake Macquarie (lake) - perhaps the local government article could be placed at its official title with a disambiguation pointer from Lake Macquarie? Ambi 09:54, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

 * The lake article would take up about half of whats there already I think. So would City of Lake Macquarie be better? Cfitzart 10:17, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Perth Royal Show article
Hi all,

Just thought I would let you know I've made a reasonably large start on a Perth Royal Show article, in recognition of the upcoming event. All of the information I've written there is based on my own personal experience or the Show website, so I suspect there is substantially more data to be added, including (hopefully) some pictures (anybody have some from previous Shows that they're willing to release under the GFDL?) and some expansion of the relatively brief lists I started on.

Looking forward to hearing your comments and seeing any changes on the page.. Thanks!

s p l i n t a x  (talk) 16:03, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Mark Latham
How awesome is this:
 * 1) The enough rope site links to our article on Latham
 * 2) Our article on Latham was documenting what was happening with the enough rope/news corp controversy mere minutes after it happened.

Viva la wiki. The bellman 13:18, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

 * The link is on the home page of the program from Latham's name. It is very cool :-) --AYArktos 20:28, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

 * 'Tis very cool, indeed. Although it does come with the clause "The ABC does not accept responsibility for the content of external site". Hmmph! Maybe one day they'll even link to Andrew Denton (which is rather lacking at the moment)... ;-)--Cyberjunkie | Talk 02:38, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Australian Collaboration of the fortnight
Thankyou to everybody who contributed to History of Queensland. It looks to be well on the way to a good article now. The new Collaboration of the fortnight is 1997 Thredbo landslide. Please help to improve it. A few other nominations have been removed due to lack of interest, leaving just Marree Man and 2005 AFL Finals Series as candidates for the next collaboration at the moment.

Sorry I didn't do this last night - by the time I got round to it, Wikipedia slowed down to a crawl then stopped completely. --Scott Davis Talk 11:33, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Articles in SMH & Age
Get the SMH today, there's an article on Wikipedia in the Next pullout. It has Jimbo and people and everything! Dysprosia 04:18, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * You mean these articles?
 * Life, the universe and Wiki
 * World of knowledge in your hands
 * (registration may be required) --Wm 04:43, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I thought the first was more pertinent. But yeah. Dysprosia 08:28, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

I like that cute illustration in the first article. I wonder if we could use it...--Cyberjunkie | Talk 05:54, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Heh. Have you noticed that not all the contributors are human? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.51.32.148 (talk • contribs) 22:31, 20 September 2005

They all look like they are enjoying themselves. I think there should be at least one like this: —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.51.32.213 (talk • contribs) 20:06, 21 September 2005

There's a mention on the Age website today (Website denigrates Wiesenthal). Geoff/Gsl 04:14, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Rather strange but I could find no reference to the edits made to Simon Wiesenthal referred to in The Age article. As one might expect the article has been very heavily edited over the last two days with changes every few minutes.  I was curious to see if such a version of the page existed and how long it stayed.  I appreciate a sysop may have permanently removed the edit.  It would be nice if a message was left on the talk page that the edit history had been tampered with.--User:AYArktos |  Talk 09:27, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Refer discussion at Talk:Simon_Wiesenthal. Apparently the offending edits were on the page for three minutes and the edit history was modified within 4 hours.  The journalism then is sensationalised and inappropriate to my mind since it does not reflect what open editing might mean.  Further discussion icluding correspondence with Josh Lanis who was quoted in the article is at Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents--User:AYArktos |  Talk 20:39, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Newspapers are in business to get people to buy their paper. They want interesting stories and let's face it, thousands of people beavering away at writing encyclopaedia articles isn't a sensational or fast-moving story. Vandalism of an encyclopaedia is a good story, and even if it only lasted a few minutes, as most vandalism does, it's still something that they can latch onto and beat up and make more interesting than it really is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.51.32.213 (talk • contribs) 21:31, 21 September 2005

 * Searching SMH for Wikipedia today (to see if there were any letters on the subject of Wiesenthal) found that Hard problems, soft solutions of 22 Sep is giving a link to the wiki.--User:AYArktos | Talk 20:39, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Pictures of Judges
Does anyone know of the copyright status of the pictures of High Court judges on www.HighCourt.gov.au ? Xtra 07:25, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The whole site is copyright by the Commonwealth, so presumably that would include the pictures too. It's probably worth contacting [mailto:enquiries@hcourt.gov.au enquiries@hcourt.gov.au] to see if we can get permission for the images, I'm sure they'd be happy for us to use them. --bainer (talk) 13:31, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Go the Bloods!
What do you reckon are the chances of getting the Swans' win on WP:ITN? --bainer (talk) 13:42, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

 * boo hiss! Xtra 13:42, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Not quite what you were hoping for, but the win is featured on The Australia Wikiportal's ITN.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 15:12, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

The Australia Wikiportal
Hi all. I'm hoping to increase turn-over at the The Australia Wikiportal, and to aid that end, I'd like to invite suggestions at the |the talk page for future feature articles and images. The articles and images do not have to be Wikipedia features, but they must be of outstanding quality. So if you come across an excellent Australia-related article or image, please suggest it as a potential feature. Thanks, --Cyberjunkie | Talk 16:02, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Crazy idea: Harnessing child labour
Hi All,

I've got this crazy idea, and it might just work, but I want to know whether you think it'll work or not, so hear me out:

The basic premise is this: In our secondary schools, we have a vast untapped pool of child labour. Almost all of that labour is wasted writing essays or solving made-up problems that only the teacher will ever look at, and which will then be thrown away and promptly forgotten. If the aim of secondary education is to educate and learn, and you educate and learn by doing, then as a ongoing taxpayer who foots part of the bill for this whole exercise, surely it's not unreasonable to suggest homework and class activities which are just as educational and are also useful. In particular, I'm thinking that it'll take a long time to flesh out the list of Sydney suburbs if we let them grow using the current organic process (there's around 400 of them). What we need is to speed the whole process up at little by generating some external involvement. Now, who can we ask? (See where I'm going with this yet?) Why, the schools of course! Lets look at their attributes:
 * Do they have the motive? (Check: Teachers need educational tasks to give the kids something to do, and the kids don't really get a say)
 * Do they have the opportunity? (Check: Classes run for much of the day on weekdays, that's a lot of hours to fill!)
 * Do they have the means? (Check: schools have computers, courtesy of the taxpayer, and furthermore many people have computers at home)
 * Locality and local knowledge (Check: schools generally draw students from the surrounding area, and the teachers and students know that area quite well because they work there and usually live there too).

So, each school would be a natural "sponsor" of the suburb in which they are located. All we need to do is to suggest this as a class activity. It would involve clear and concise writing, copy editing, getting familiar with computers, logical organisation of though, making links to other topics to see where and how things are connected, and possibly some photography of local landmarks. In short, it's like what they do already, only instead of being a non-productive private exercise that's immediately forgotten as soon as it's done, it would a useful and enduring contribution towards the sum total of public information (whilst still being just as academically useful).

I'm thinking a letter or email along these lines:

Subject: Fictional Public School: Dear Sir or Madam,

Are members of the general public able to suggest possible class activities? If so, I would like to first tell you about something, and then made a suggestion: On the Internet you will find the world's largest encyclopedia, called the Wikipedia (the web address is http://en.wikipedia.org/ ). This encyclopedia is very unusual in several regards, namely:
 * All the information is publicly available, without charge.
 * Anyone can expand it or improve it. You don't need a password or anyone's permission.
 * It's a not-for-profit organisation: it's maintained by volunteers, operational costs are paid for by donations, and there is no advertising.
 * It's international: Contributors come from all over the world, including Australia generally, and Sydney specifically.

As a result of these attributes, the Wikipedia has been grown very quickly from it's start in 2001, and is now already larger than the Encyclopedia Britannica, and continues to grow rapidly.

The reason I am telling you this is that we have recently added article entries for every suburb in Sydney. At the moment most of these entries are extremely brief. I would like to suggest a class activity of expanding the entry for the school's suburb. This would involve a number of things, including:
 * Some research on the suburb, it's origins and history.
 * logical organisation of though.
 * clear and concise writing.
 * copy editing.
 * making links to other topics (such as surrounding suburbs) to see where and how things are connected.
 * possibly some digital photography of local landmarks, if you wanted.

It's also an interesting and fun way to get familiar and involved with computers in general, and with the very unusual concept of the Wikipedia specifically. Also, many school activities are by their nature ephemeral: they're done, and either thrown away, lost, or forgotten. This on the other hand will endure, and will go on to be improved upon and expanded upon by future contributors.

It's a unique opportunity to get involved and learn about the local area in which the students live and go to school, and I encourage you to please consider getting involved.

To get to the entry for the school's suburb, just go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peakhurst%2C_New_South_Wales. Or alternatively go to http://en.wikipedia.org/ and type "Peakhurst, New South Wales" (without the quotes) in the "search" box on the left margin of the page.

Yours Sincerely, Nick J.

Thoughts? Do you think it'll work? And if you think you can improve upon the letter above, please just jump right in and edit it directly. -- All the best, Nickj (t) 00:44, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Nick, I had a similar thought about six months ago, regarding Melbourne suburbs, and sent off an email to all U3A's (University of the Third Age) in Victoria, as well as LGA's and local Historical Societies. I'm not sure if it helped to recruit any new people to Wikipedia but I certainly didn't get many replies. For you, and anyone else thinking of doing something similar, the following is the text of the email I sent out:

Subject: Wikipedia and U3A

The free online encyclopaedia Wikipedia has become one of the internet's most inspiring success stories. It has no editors, no fact checkers and anyone can contribute an entry - or delete one.

It should have been a recipe for disaster, and it is still far from perfect, but in less than four years, an estimated 10,000 volunteers have written more than 1.2 million entries in 160 languages. Wikipedia is continuously evolving. There are now around 3,000 new entries being added each day. Each article in Wikipedia has an editing page, a discussion page and a history page. Articles are written and submitted by users, which means you, me, or anyone else in the world who wishes to contribute their wealth of knowledge to the project. Once an article is posted, other users can then edit or revise the content of the site. The Wikipedia Melbourne Project is an area that is in need of volunteers to write articles.

I am sure that many members of U3A would have knowledge and wisdom which they could contribute to the Wikipedia Melbourne Project. I would be pleased if you could bring the Wikipedia Melbourne Project to the attention of all your members. To learn how to get involved in Wikipedia check out the Community Portal and Help pages. Kindest regards,

Eric O.
 * One problem that I can see there is that the email isn't personalised - the beginning almost makes it sounds like spam. But it's a very good idea in principle. :) Ambi 06:18, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I know for one of my children, their major geography project last year was a study of the suburb they lived in. The data gathered was very useful for my contributions to Wikipedia.  The issue with children is that for some of them there already would be major articles, others would be starting with blank or near blank slates.  For many schools there would be more than one child living in the suburb.  Each child needs the opportunity to work on the project themselves, cooperative work is limited to small teams.  It is not the same as adding material to an article and subjecting oneself to merciless editing. In short I don't think Nick's project will work.  I recall seeing somewhere some frustration with teriary students who had been set assignments to contribute to the wikipedia and were not adding a lot of value.  I can't find the exact discussion of the incident (probably on votes for deletion some months ago) but a page that might give some ideas about the experience is at School and university projects and the related talk page.--User:AYArktos |  Talk 10:39, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Heads up, it's done! The messages went out a few minutes ago to secondary public schools in New South Wales. -- All the best, Nickj (t) 06:12, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I've tried to make them feel less spammy.
 * If schools aren't interested, then they're not interested. Frankly, if I was running a school or an appropriate class (such as Geography or History), then I would be. In the end though, all you can do is tell them about it and help answer questions, and then let them decide whether to participate or not.
 * I included the links to the pages about using the Wikipedia for school projects.
 * I looked through the talk pages about past problems, and the real problems came from tertiary students who were either adding original and obscure research, or were adding made up concepts (like nonsense words) because their lecturers wanted them to challenge their concepts of reality! I honestly don't think these problems will be particularly applicable to this.
 * I added redirects and did moves to find as many of the appropriate towns and suburbs as I could, and for those that currently do not have an article I used a slightly different message explaining that there currently is no article for their suburb or town, and maybe they would like to add one.
 * I've created a page where people can ask questions about this at WikiProject Sydney/Suburbs/Schools Project.
 * A great idea. In fact it is already being done at US universities. One lecturer makes the production of a Wikipedia article a compulsory unit in the course he teaches. Some are a bit crap and end up in the AfD but others go on to be fully-fledged articles. I might try and arrange a similar think here in SA and the NT. Lisa 08:31, 1 October 2005 (UTC)


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This article spends a fair bit of time talking about ramifications of the CWO and apparently defending its use, but it needs to say what a CWO actually IS... the reader is left guessing that perhaps it means working on something, in public, but cannot quite be sure. I would fix it myself but I don't know exactly what one is either. ++Lar 03:59, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I've added a line, hopefully it is better now? - Mailer Diablo 14:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Ash Williams

Suicide\Killed
I changed "later killed herself" to "later killed by ash" because in the movie, Evil Dead II, she becomes possessed, Ash goes outside, she ambushes Ash, Ash lobs off her head with shovel.

Bad Ash\Evil Ash
Which should we use? Bad Ash comes from the line "I'm Bad Ash, and you're Good Ash!", though I'm not sure which is the oficial version, this is at least the only version mentioned in film. IMDb credits the chracter as Evil Ash, and Evil Ash wins a googlefight between the two by far (hah, nice site).

 * Both. The script (and the comics) refer to him as Bad Ash initially, and Evil Ash after his death and ressurection.--Sean Black | Talk 19:36, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Ash's Photo
The photo of Bruce as Ash is a still/promotional photo from the climax of "Evil Dead 2 - Dead By Dawn", and NOT from "Army of Darkness" as it was previously shown (I don't care what the file name says). This is the second time I've had to change it. --^o^CORVUS^o^ | Talk, 19 February 2006

 * Care to provide references to your claims so we can all reach a consensus? ☢  Ҡ i∊ ff   ⌇  ↯  00:46, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

 * He's right, it's from ED 2 -Dead by Dawn, I second the notion. Firstly in the AoD Ash was taken prisoner the second he came through the portal, but at the end of Dead by Dawn he shot a Deadite harpy and was hailed as the 'deliverer' or whatever and held up his boomstick, also notice the background it was only used in Dead by dawn, not in Army of darkness. Need I provide a screenshot? ((Yes I know it's already been noted as being from EDII I just thought I'd provide some background information, this is not meant to be argumentitive)

-P-battery

 * I don't recall Ash holding up the "boomstick" like that in either AoD or EDII (thought there's an illustration on the Necronomicon with that). After shooting the deadite, he just makes a weird face and people start to hail him, and later the camera just starts to move away from him showing the hailing crowd, and he's saying "No... Nooo... Nooooooo!", and this is where the movie ends. But judging from his appeareance, and the background, I agree this looks from EDII. ☢  Ҡ i∊ ff   ⌇  ↯  01:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Yup. The background, and Bruce's size (He's a bit more stout in AoD) are dead giveaways. I appreciate the support folks! --^o^CORVUS^o^ | Talk, 20 February 2006

Is Ash Even Human Anymore?
This section seems like a pointless, fan speculation filled ramble to me. Not until reading this article did I ever think that Ash's indestructability or innate ability to fire a shotgun five times without reloading was anything more than Holly Wood magic, and my friends and family who have seen the movie have thought the same. If we decide to keep this section, it's at least going to need a better name.--Agent Aquamarine 04:42, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

My thoughts exactally. --Wieners 18:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I thought it was a tongue in cheek reference to various technical goofs... =P SumGuy 05:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree entirely; I'm going to be bold and remove that entire section. --Bletch 01:49, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Loosing his hand
I don't seem to be able to find a clear description of how he lost his hand, other than at the quotes section. I'm not familiar enough to add it to the biography, so maybe someone else should.

You're all wrong, really. I'm going to delete and change stuff.

Quotes
Corrected a lot of them to better match the audio from the movie (a lot of them were actually off somewhat, and others missing text). Hope nobody minds.--Kung Fu Man 14:11, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Source for middle initial and last name?
In the movies I only remember him being called "Ash" or "Ash, from housewares". --Random832(tc) 16:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * He was called Ashley by his sister, and his full name was given in a video game I believe-- SU IT  -n-tie 06:14, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

In "The Evil Dead Companion", it states that Sam Raimi "Toyed" with calling him Ashley J. Williams, but there's nothing concrete.

Image
Anyone mind if I change the main image?-- SU IT  -n-tie 06:14, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No I have always think that this picture doesn't really fit the type of guy Ash is, maybe one that shows a more manic side of him is better, besides a closer photo is needed this one doesn't show any detail of his face -Dark Dragon Flame 06:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * What about this?-- SU IT  -n-tie 06:29, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Perfect. -Dark Dragon Flame 06:34, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Duke Nukem
I removed the references to Duke Nukem being based on Ash. It is true that Ash and the Evil Dead films are referenced in Duke Nukem 3d but so are over twenty other movies/TV shows. I think any statement that Duke is based on Ash is wishful fan speculation.The Goat 20:02, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

 * I can't say whether they're truly connected or not of course, but the fan speculation most likely comes from the similarities of their One-Liners. I'm fairly sure I've heard Duke say some of Ash's lines, but I don't know for certain; it could even be the other way around for all I know. --Gero 05:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes Duke quotes Ash. Duke also quotes John Nada from "They Live" and characters from other movies as well.  Who is to say Duke isn't based on John Nada.  I think that would be a better fit seeing as how they both fight aliens.  Like I said before the Duke Nukem games reference tons of movies and TV shows.  the Evil Dead references are notable and already listed in the Duke Nukem 3d article.  But there is little evidence that Duke is primarily based on Ash.The Goat 12:56, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:453-PerezCoverDarkmanvs.jpg
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Marvel Zombies Ash
Continuity error? The article currently states that Ashley G. Williams, native to the Marvel Zombies universe, was eaten shortly into the story. However, from reading the comic I thought that it was the original one-handed Ashley J. Williams who was thrown into Earth-2149 and interacted with a few heroes before being killed in front of his Earth-2149 counterpart. I can verify this, and after I do I'll make the appropriate changes if nobody else does. -Mewarmo990 (talk) 08:26, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That's actually not a continuity error at all. Look at the Ash having his brain munched on: he has both his hands. So did the Ash native to Earth-2149. They make a point about that even in I think the third comic, showing what he managed to do vs. the zombies before being distracted by his counterpart, and getting eaten due to the distraction by Howard the Duck.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 09:08, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

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Shotgun
The article lists his shotgun as a Remington 12 gauge sawed-off, but it links to a remington 1100. His weapon is a SxS break-open shotgun, not a gas powered OxU...so the link reall should lead to a model that would be a bit more accurate.70.253.134.81 (talk) 05:39, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

 * It's actually a Stoeger Coach Gun, not a Remington (as identified) - correct on the fact that it is not an 1100, since that is single-barrel and semi automatic.  Zchris87v  00:50, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Solan Williams?
Who the hell is Solan Williams? It says it's his future son, but where did that even come from? Was that vandalization or was something leaked/announced recently? Jackass2009 (talk) 21:22, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Home Town
Ash's home town is "Elk Grove, Michigan", per "Ash vs Evil Dead s02e01". • Sbmeirow  •  Talk  • 05:00, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Birthdate - MM/DD/YYYY
For Ash's date of birth, the article cites the screen-used driver's license prop from 'Ash vs Evil Dead'. Said license gives his birth day as 08-04-1957, and because this is an American license that means the date is August 4th, not April 8. Mashed Potate Jones (talk) 08:52, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Ash's birthday is indeed April 8th, as other official prop licenses created for the Ash vs Evil Dead series reveal that they use the DD/MM/YYYY format. Since all the props were made in New Zealand, they accidentally used the New Zealand license dating style instead of the American format. Minecrafttroller28.1 (talk) 22:23, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

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There are no references, at all. No critical reception. Nothing. And it claims that it is strictly a parody of the title...that's just not correct. Not going to get into it because I have no sources, but that sentence needs to be taken down, and the user needs to be internet-slapped.

Okay, I'm against this "parody of 'Waiting for Fidel'" nonsense.

The movie's title parodies 'Waiting for Godot', as the page says, NOT this other movie which ALSO parodies the first text.

Unless anyone disagrees, I'd like to remove that paragraph, since it seems more like silly promotion of that than anything else. Daydream believer2 04:01, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Title has referece to MacGufin?
Never seen the movie, but reading the plot makes me think Guffman's name - the name of something everyone wants but is hard to get to - may be a reference to MacGuffin. But, off course, my guesses do not make for good references - it would make for an interesting encyclopaedia... :-) So, maybe someone knows of some (obscure) interview asking about it? - Nabla (talk) 14:40, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

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Accidentally in Love (song)

"Accidentally in Love" is a song by American rock band Counting Crows. The song was written for the opening scene of the 2004 DreamWorks animated film Shrek 2 and appears on the movie's soundtrack as the opening track. It was released as a single on May 3, 2004, two weeks before the movie premiered in theaters. "Accidentally in Love" was commercially successful, peaking within the top 40 on several music charts, including the Irish Singles Chart, where it reached number three and spent 10 weeks in the top 50. The song was nominated for Best Original Song at the 77th Academy Awards.

Background
DreamWorks Animation chose Counting Crows lead singer Adam Duritz to write a song that would be featured in the opening scene of their 2004 film Shrek 2, in which Shrek and his wife, Princess Fiona, celebrate their honeymoon following the events of the first movie. To get an idea on how to write the song, Duritz went to the DreamWorks animation camp and watched approximately half of the film. Duritz reported to Billboard magazine that he almost did not write the song, as he was not used to writing songs on demand and was experiencing a block. However, DreamWorks allowed him creative freedom on the song and did not force him to work tirelessly.

According to Duritz, the song had to be uplifting, and the studio told him to write a song about himself, not Shrek. Duritz said that the song was indeed about the events that were happening in his life during the writing process, including falling in love with an "inconvenient" lover. He was happy with the track's results, especially since it would appeal to multiple age groups, and he also claimed that "Accidentally in Love" would be "timeless" since it was an original song written for a film.

Release
Geffen Records and DreamWorks Records released the song to American hot adult contemporary and triple A radio stations on May 3, 2004, two weeks before Shrek 2 premiered in theaters. On June 8, 2004, it was serviced to contemporary hit radio. A digital download of the song was released on July 5, 2004, in various countries, including the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom. In the latter country, a CD single was issued on July 12, 2004, containing live versions of "American Girls" and "If I Could Give All My Love (Richard Manuel Is Dead)" recorded in Oslo, Norway, as well the song's music video. In Australia, a different CD single was issued, containing a live version of "Miami" from Oslo and the music video.

Critical reception
Billboard magazine reviewed the song on their May 22, 2004, issue, with Susanne Ault writing that "Accidentally in Love" was the "perfect kickoff for the summer" and would please both children and their parents, going on to write that it contains a "light and breezy" hook for the beach season. However, she also noted that the song's success would be temporary and called it "a little sappy". Reviewing the film's soundtrack on AllMusic, Heather Phares called the song a cross between one of the Counting Crows' older song and "Closer to Free" by BoDeans, targeting parents and older siblings rather than children. On the same site, Johnny Loftus wrote that "Accidentally in Love" was the band's most "uplifting" song since "Hanginaround" in 1999 and that the band approached the track well, referring to its beat as "cartoon-y sunshine" and its chorus as "love-drenched XTC". Dillon Eastoe of British news site Gigwise called the track "brilliant". In April 2022, American Songwriter ranked the song at number seven on their list of "The Top 10 Counting Crows Songs".

"Accidentally in Love" was nominated for the Academy Award for Best Original Song; Counting Crows performed the song at the ceremony but did not win the award. The song also received nominations for the Golden Globe Award for Best Original Song and the Grammy Award for Best Song Written for a Motion Picture, Television or Other Visual Media.

Chart performance
In the United States, "Accidentally in Love" topped the Billboard Triple-A chart for five weeks in July and August 2004. On the Billboard Hot 100, it debuted at number 61 on June 26, 2004, rising to its peak of number 39 eight weeks later (on August 21) and spending 20 weeks on the chart. It also appeared on several other Billboard rankings, reaching number three on the Adult Top 40, number 23 on the Adult Contemporary chart, and number 35 on the Mainstream Top 40. The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) awarded the song a gold disc in January 2005 for shipping over 500,000 units.

Overseas, the single found its highest national chart peak in Ireland. It first appeared on the Irish Singles Chart at number six on the week ending July 15, 2004, taking three weeks to reach its peak of number three, where it remained for three weeks. It spent 10 weeks in the top 50, tallying its final week on September 16 at number 49. In the United Kingdom, the song debuted and peaked at number 28 on the UK Singles Chart and logged five weeks in the top 100. In June 2022, it was certified gold by the British Phonographic Industry (BPI) for sales and streaming figures exceeding 400,000.

Across mainland Europe, "Accidentally in Love" peaked at number 86 in Germany, number 59 in Austria, and number 47 in Romania. It became a top-20 hit in Hungary and the Netherlands, achieving a peak of number 12 in the former country and number 14 in the latter. In Hungary, it was the 54th-most-aired song of 2004, and in the Netherlands, it was the 97th-best-selling single of the year according to the Dutch Top 40. On Australia's ARIA Singles Chart, the track charted for 13 weeks, peaking at number 11 on August 15, 2004, and ended the year at number 78 on the ARIA year-ending ranking. The same year, it was awarded a gold certification by the Australian Recording Industry Association, denoting 35,000 shipments. In New Zealand, the song grazed the top 40, making its only chart appearance at number 39 on the week of September 27, 2004.

Music video
The main music video for the song, directed by Meiert Avis, features a stuffed toy rabbit (voiced by and patterned after the band's frontman Adam Duritz) in the apartment of a young couple (the girl is Ashley Roberts from the Pussycat Dolls and the boy is LA Models model Steve Vanda), complete with a TV showing scenes from the film. The rabbit comes to life and serenades the girl. She falls in love with him and leaves her boyfriend behind while he is in the kitchen making breakfast for her. The band itself is not present at all in the video.

An alternative music video for the song is included on the Shrek 2 DVD as a bonus feature and combines clips from the movie with scenes of Duritz recording the song.

Track listings
UK 7-inch picture disc single
 * A1. "Accidentally in Love"
 * B1. "American Girls" (live in Oslo)
 * B2. "If I Could Give All My Love (Richard Manuel Is Dead)" (live in Oslo)

UK CD single
 * 1) "Accidentally in Love"
 * 2) "American Girls" (live in Oslo)
 * 3) "If I Could Give All My Love (Richard Manuel Is Dead)" (live in Oslo)
 * 4) "Accidentally in Love" (video)

European CD single
 * 1) "Accidentally in Love" – 3:09
 * 2) "American Girls" (live in Oslo) – 4:29

Australian CD single
 * 1) "Accidentally in Love" – 3:09
 * 2) "Miami" (live in Oslo) – 4:59
 * 3) "Accidentally in Love" (video) – 3:09

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