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Talk:St Helens R.F.C.

Supporters
" Traditional strongholds of support tend to come from the Western half of the town; areas like Blackbrook, Haydock, and Parr."

Apart from the fact this is not true (why would supporters tend to come from parts of the town furthest away from where the stadium was?), none of these places are in the "Western half" of the town. Parr is in the East, Haydock is in the North East, and Blackbrook is roughly somewhere between the two. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.220.190.215 (talk) 12:59, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

 * Sorry, meant to change that months ago, I'll do it now.

 * Thanks for the heads up,

 * Ymron (talk) 18:11, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Official name
Shouldn't this article be names St Helens RLFC???
 * They are "officially" RFC, this is how they are listed as a company . On the Saints website they in fact use RLC (no F) though. Grinner 09:43, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I would have though they should be RLFC as well - I'll look into it Rehnn83 11:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't know why it was left there for so long. The club badge even has it at St Helens Rugby League Club. Another spanner in the works. Londo  06  11:06, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

St Helens Rugby League club is on the badge but the website is RLFC. CorleoneSerpicoMontana 09:43, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Why has the page been moved to this longer title instead of 'RLFC'? All the links to this page are now either redirects or will take more typing out now. I don't see the point; you don't see Leeds United Association Football Club and it isn't popularly referred to in that long title either. Leeds use 'A.F.C.' in the article title and the full written out version in the introduction.  LunarLander  //  talk  // 14:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think I agree with RLFC being expanded either.--Jeff79 (talk) 23:35, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

So what is preferred? RLC/RLFC/RFC? Can we reach consensus on this and also (I hope) on going back to a shorter title?  LunarLander  //  talk  // 02:52, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It appears to have been founded as RFC (originally only one kind of rugby, i.e. 'union') and changed, maybe as recently as the last few years, to RLFC. It would be good to know the date of this change. It will affect a lot of content as we have always had club names appear in articles as they were at the time being referred to.--Jeff79 (talk) 17:03, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

 * I'm fairly certain that we were founded as FC, but when rugby and football became more and more separate, we became known as RFC. After the schism, I think RFC was retained for a while before RLC was adopted. Now, all news articles and websites refer to the club as RLFC, although as a company they are still RFC, but on the badge we are RLC. As for dates of the changes, your guess is as good as mine.

 * Ymron (talk) 07:14, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Now on the badge, on the website, on the facade of Langtree Park it is St. Helens R.F.C., and company's official name seems to be St Helens Rugby Football Club Limited (, Company No. 00331905). Now what? Arvedui89 (talk) 11:13, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

 * There's a difference between the limited company and the playing team / club name. As for the name otherwise, we should be RFC it seems as everything on the website (including copyright claims) have all been shifted over to that. Koncorde (talk) 19:04, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Nation identifiers
Shouldn't Keiron Cunningham have the Welsh flag rather than the English flag next to his name? Although born in England, he plays for the Welsh national team. I've looked on a few other sports pages on here & players seem to be classed by country played for rather than country of birth. RC4282
 * Agreed KC plays for Wales (Sadly :- - Have Changed --Rehnn83 11:12, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Lee Gilmour to Scotland Londo06 23:19, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

County representation
Would I be correct in saying that players first registered by St Helens would be eligible to play in a representative team for Lancashire (in, say, the Origin Series) and that no such team exists for Merseyside? Yorkshire Phoenix (talk • contribs) 08:08, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Correct. The traditional boundaries of Lancashire take in most of Greater Manchester and Merseyside (as well as Barrow and the Furness peninsula) and hence they are 'Lankies' as far as origin goes. Strictly speaking since Blackpool is now no longer part of Lancashire as defined by the government, it is true to say that there are no pro or even semi-pro teams in Lancashire at all.GordyB 14:22, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

2008 players
Have Dean McGilvray and Dave Hull been given squad numbers for 2008? Their names do not appear on the squad list on the official Saints website. In Wikipedia only factual information should normally be presented. Both these players are listed in the Reserve Team on the official website. Shouldn't these two names therefore be removed from the 2008 first team squad listing until such time that their squad number is confirmed by the club? Tobias-UK (talk) 19:01, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

 * They were given squad nos last year. The reason the are not listed on the Saints website is the 25 rule. Probably best that they are linked there. CorleoneSerpicoMontana (talk) 19:46, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. Either the players are in the first team squad or they are not. As the club have not (as yet) given them a first team squad number for the 2008 season their names should not appear in the first team squad until such time that the club have themselves included their names.

25 rule? What rule is that? There is no rule that limits a Super League club to just 25 first team players. Tobias-UK (talk) 16:33, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I don't know whether it is the Super League Squads bit detailed here or the 20-25 salary cap rule from previous years but there is no upper limit on a squad size that I am aware of, just that you'd have to pay the rest of the squad less. Londo  06  17:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

That is my understanding too Londo06. Given that the club have not yet allocated (or at least published) squad numbers for the individuals concerned then their inclusion on the list should be removed until such time that the club do officially issue and announce numbers for them. To include their names before that time would take away efficacy of the St Helens RFC WiKi listing. Are there any objections to these to names being removed from the squad list until such time that the club announce their official inclusion in the current first team squad and confirm their official squad number? Tobias-UK (talk) 14:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I believe they should stay, they still train with the squad, they've got professional contracts just not included under an administrative rule. Londo  06  14:53, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

They may have a professional contract but they are not (yet) named as first team squad members - they are officially recognised as Reserve Team players (see the club website). Where is the proof that they have been given the squad numbers listed? A citation is needed to confirm the accuracy of the listing - without that the names should be removed and included on the listing for the Reserve Team until such time their squad numbers are officially announced. If the so-called "25 rule" is the reason for their non-inclusion in the first team squad (and a citation is needed for that) then the WiKi entry should still reflect fact and show details of the official squad as announced by the club. An administrative rule or not, if it is a rule then the WiKi listing should reflect that rule. By all means mention the other players within the commentary of the listing, but to include them now in the list is wrong. There are other fringe players who also have professional contracts but they have not been included - so why just these two? To comply with the WiKi rule for accuracy the names should be removed until such time that the club announce their respective numbers. Tobias-UK (talk) 10:44, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

 * The unverifiable information has been removed until the players' squad numbers and inclusion in the First Team are officially announced and confirmed by the club. Tobias-UK (talk) 20:09, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Administrative rule, I see no reason to remove them from the page. If you want to set them apart and write a note I would have no problem with that. Londo  06  09:08, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

 * WiKi REQUIRES that content is VERIFIABLE. The inclusion of those players in the First Team Squad has not been verified by the club or RFL - the only organisations who can verify it. Once verification is available then the names should be included until then the names are removed. Tobias-UK (talk) 12:53, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Removed Dave Hull as that was his squad number from last year and can find no verification that he trains with the first team. Londo  06  16:10, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

So where is the verifiable evidence that Dean McGilvrey has been issued the number 28 shirt and is a member of the first team squad? If you are going to insist that his name is included then please provide the verifiable evidence. If you are going to keep insisting that Dean's name is included then this matter will have to be reported as a dispute with Wikipedia for them to adjudicate. The rules of Wikipedia are clear and unequivocal in this regard, the rules state: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. "Verifiable" in this context means that readers should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed." So, in accordance with that rule, until such time that verifiable proof is provided proving that Dean (or any other player) has been officially issued with a squad number and has been included in the 'official' first team squad (and not simply that they have been training with the first team squad) then his name should not appear in the list. Tobias-UK (talk) 19:22, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Added in a citation for Dean McGilvray. Confirmed that he is in the squad, there are obviously many others out there, this one was grabbed from this page. CorleoneSerpicoMontana (talk) 22:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

That is not verification. Only an official source will do. The club's official website confirms McGilvray to be in the RESERVE TEAM so his inclusion in the First Team squad article is wrong in fact. His name must not be placed back until the squad number and his inclusion is confirmed by the club. The Sky page is not verification, in any event it does not list a squad number and that is the issue. He should only be included when the club issue and announce the number. Tobias-UK (talk) 15:41, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

 * You appear to be wrong about that one fella. And also wrong about your claims on squad numbers determining which squad they may train with. CorleoneSerpicoMontana (talk) 18:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Where is it wrong? Can you PLEASE show me just ONE official source where the number 28 has been announced and issued to Dean? Just one please? I'll be a very happy chap if you can, absolutely delighted. At the end of the day the Saints OFFICIAL website lists Dean in the Reserve Team and NOT the first team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tobias-UK (talk • contribs) 23:12, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Kits
If you look at the pages for the NRL clubs they all have PNG images to show their club colours in comparison to the ones we have on the superleague teams' pages they look much better. A good idea to change them to the same style maybe? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Billybobalobadob (talk • contribs) 17:33, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree, it looks a thousand times better than what it has now.- User:Ymron —Preceding undated comment added 17:21, 8 April 2009 (UTC).

Fan songs
Does this section have any place in the main article - Rehnn83 Talk 11:07, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Popular fan songs

 * "Come On You Saints"

 * "St. Helens"

 * "St. Helens Rugby" (To tune of "You Light Up My Senses")

 * "When the Saints Go Marching In"

 * "And it's St. Helens" (To tune of "The Wild Rover")

 * "James Graham"

 * "James Roby" (To tune of "Tom Hawk")

 * "I Love You Wellens" (To tune of "I Love You Baby")

 * "If you all hate Wigan clap your hands"

History section
The history section is becoming a bit over-big, if you will, now. Should it be moved to a History of St Helens Rugby League Football Club (or RLFC) page and a more general overview replace it on the main page?

Thanks,

Ymron (talk) 20:16, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Catalans vs. St Helens - 19 August 2006
Saints put a very inexperienced squad out for the above game, most of whom had never played first-grade football before. Therefore, when they played this match, they played professionally, meaning they are eligible to a page on WP. I have started Gary Langley, but if someone could find the time to even start some of other players who played in this game, it would be much appreciated.

The squad can be found here,

Many thanks for your help,

Ymron (talk) 18:07, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Potential name change
I don't know if anyone else is aware of this, but St Helens will be changing their logo for next season, a crest that features the name "Saints RL". Despite this abbreviation that is aimed at broadening Saints' fan base, Eamonn McManus said in League Weekly that the name St Helens Rugby League Football Club would essentially be retained. I just thought I'd make a note of this on the talk page for future reference, in case someone thinks the page should be moved to Saints RL.

Thanks,

Ymron (talk) 20:38, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I'm sure there'll be plenty of interest in national media if this is true, and when Saints confirm it. At which point, a page move should be discussed on the WikiProject's talk page. Other factors must be considered when naming an article. GW  (talk)  20:44, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I see what you mean, wait until it's out there in the open, and then see if a page move is needed.

 * Ymron (talk) 20:47, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Logo
Just thinking about changing the logo to the new 'Saints RL' logo on the main page. Would now be appropriate or more towards the new season? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Billybobalobadob (talk • contribs) 08:53, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Hi. Thanks again for uploading those. I don't see why the logo shouldn't be changed to the new one now.

 * Thanks again,

 * Ymron (talk) 13:40, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Shall I upload it as a new version of 'saints.png' or as a completely new file? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Billybobalobadob (talk • contribs) 14:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

 * I plan to do a section on the history of St Helens logos, so I think it would be best if it were uploaded under a new file name, so that the current (or soon to be old) one is retained.

 * Thanks,

 * Ymron (talk) 14:15, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

This can only be uploaded November 1st after speaking to my friend at the club so will sort it then. Cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by Billybobalobadob (talk • contribs) 14:28, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Thanks alot,

 * Ymron (talk) 15:23, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

B-class

 * 1) The article is obviously suitably referenced; a common template of usage and over 300 references, with the vast majority of, if not all of the topic sourced.
 * 2) The article now covers in balance all of the club's history, the academy/youth system, crest and insignia, sponsors et al, as requested at the last review.
 * 3) Defined structure, well organised, referenced lead.
 * 4) I've checked for errors; punctuation is good, en dashes in place of hyphens, a detailed but smooth flow.
 * 5) Supporting materials; images throughout, infobox as standard, diagrams/illustrations shown by teams for notable cup finals: all present.
 * 6) Appropriate presentation, terms explained in some context with links to potentially ambiguous tournaments provided.

I doubt it's anywhere near close to GA-class yet, but certainly the B criteria have been met.

Ymron (talk) 14:02, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Dispute resolution: Ricky Tomlinson
has reverted this claim three times now. Although the three reverts didn't occur within the 24 hours necessary for it to be deemed an edit war, I for one would like to see this dispute kicked into touch to prevent further destruction.

In support of claim that Tomlinson is a fan

 * A referenced source in the article states that Tomlinson has three brothers, for which he personally bought them and him four season tickets to St Helens RLFC. It goes on to explain his absence at recent games due to work commitments and that he's also been on the pitch along with Johnny Vegas, another St Helens fan who works as a comedian. A second source would be preferable, especially if it comes from a national newspaper, but I see nothing wrong the claim itself; it should stay. GW  (talk)  15:24, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I think there were bigger fish to fry here, GW (not sure if you ever saw this discussion).--Jeff79 (talk) 02:36, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Afraid not, too busy watching Wigan trounce everyone around that time. Hmm... lots of misinformation ultimately winning the day in that discussion, if the section ended up being removed (which is appears to have been, judging by the current revision). For me it's simple - he stays: GW  (talk)  13:35, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * "A person may be included in a list of people if all the following requirements are met: (WP:LISTPEOPLE)
 * The person meets the Wikipedia notability requirement. (Tomlinson is a B-class article is his own right, so yeah he just about scrapes notability)
 * The person's membership in the list's group is established by reliable sources." (There's an as yet undisputed reliable source)
 * So... what's the problem? A claim totally based on OR?

 * As suggested by Ginger Warrior, let's sort this out. I quote from the source: "he's more likely to be cheering on St Helens rugby league team"; if that's what people are calling inaccurate, then all the sources on this page must be removed. I'm not about to be getting into a pathetic edit war over a user who has a bee in his bonnet over something that I, to be honest, don't really care about. "PLEASE DO NOT PUT HIS NAME BACK, HE DOES NOT WANT IT THERE!" Really, how do you know, may I ask? How do you know he has never been to a game? I think I should undo the changes one more time, after that, I'll have to take warning steps and look into protecting the page. Thanks Ginger and Jeff, Ymron (talk) 10:33, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Just thought I'd add, again straight from the "inaccurate" source; "I haven't been this season, as I've been working, but we went to most of the big games last season." Ymron (talk) 11:00, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

 * So can we agree that the changes (that have been done once more by the user in question) can be reverted permanently and some protection/warning steps be taken? Ymron (talk) 14:59, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, seems pretty straight forward to me.Doctorhawkes (talk) 01:10, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. However, I don't have administrator rights, and have been advised to wait 48 hours before changing the page back, but at least the consensus is there.Ymron (talk) 10:23, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Against the original statement

 * I work at the club- Ricky Tomlinson has NEVER been on the pitch, and NEVER been to a match.
 * Comment: Wikipedia does not accept original research as a way of deciding what stays and what goes in an article: "[...] all material added to articles must be attributable to a reliable published source, even if not actually attributed." WP:V backs this up: "[...] whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true." Whether you, Ymron or I work at the club is irrelevent unless your position gives you access to a source which has already been published in the public domain, in which case, please present it here. GW  (talk)  01:31, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Demoltion of the Knowlesy Road ground
The Knowsley Road ground at St Helens was purchased recently. The principle contractors for the development are Taylor Wimpey. The proposed name of the new housing site is " Cunningham Grange". The demolition was carried out by Cheshire firm "Nick Brookes Group".

Several large machines have been involved with the demolition of the existing stadium, includies Leibher 954, and Extec C12 crusher. Although the club has had a long history at this site, it is hoped that moving to the new ground will allow greater capacity supporters along with a host of new features.

spooneroon Spooneroon (talk) 10:35, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Discussion about William "Billy" Smith, born in and played for St. Helens(?)
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby league. This article could use someone in St. Helens with access to a local newspaper from the early 1930s. Unscintillating (talk) 23:54, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 19 February 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

St Helens R.F.C. → St. Helens R.F.C. – On the club's crest, they use "St.". And on their website, they also use "St. Helens".  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 10:52, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

 * Oppose - The legal name of St.Helens R.F.C. Ltd is out of step with the common name of the rugby league football club of St Helens, registered trademark St Helens Rugby League Club, the town itself and many, many decades of the club being seen as St Helens to the world.Fleets (talk) 13:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Purely a stylistic issue and modern British English generally omits the full stop. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:29, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, but given they are a British rugby league club and yet they use it on their crest and on their website.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 18:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Not relevant. We use the common name, where the "." is commonly excluded. For the same reason our article on Inter Milan is not Internazionale. Koncorde (talk) 22:53, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. Also, Saints themselves still toy periodically with "St Helens RLFC" among other things (as seen by their website registered as saintsrlfc.co.uk) and have a variety of different logo's / crests over the years with varieties of Saints, St Helens RL, St. Helens Rugby League Club, St. Helens RLFC, and Saints RL, St. Helens RFC, and St. Helens R.F.C. Koncorde (talk) 22:53, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

 * The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Halton Stadium
I have had my removal of Halton Stadium photo reverted.

What relevance does Halton Stadium have to St Helens RFC? None. It was used for one season out of 120 or so years the club has existed. It has no importance to the club, or ANY relevance since the move to Langtree/Totally Wicked Stadium.

There is no photo of Wembley on the Tottenham Hotspur wiki, which was used in similar circumstances. There's no photo of Mount Pleasant which Dewsbury RLFC used whilst in between stadiums either. No photo of Valley Parade on the Bradford Bulls page. Any other examples?

So please explain the reasoning of why it is important to have a photo of Halton Stadium here. 78.150.247.233 (talk) 09:07, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The problem is not the photo but the changing of Dick Huddart to D*** Huddart in the same edit. Keith D (talk) 11:11, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

 * I didn't realise. My browser was using a profanity filter. Just my luck! Either way, I'll leave it up to someone else to edit this if anyone else cares :) 78.150.247.233 (talk) 20:44, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Tee Ritson
Have setup a wikipage for Tee Ritson, could the more experienced rugby league editors add the correct formats etc. Regards -- Devoke water  00:13, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

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Arale Norimaki

Arale Norimaki (則巻アラレ) is a fictional character and the protagonist of the Dr. Slump manga series, created by Akira Toriyama. She is a humanoid robot built by Senbei Norimaki who looks like a young girl. She is known for her naïveté, energetic personality, lack of common sense, and amazing strength. Senbei tries to convince the other citizens of Penguin Village that she is just a normal human girl, and it seems to work, despite her superhuman athletic ability. Among her strengths, she can use abilities that range from the terrain splitting Chikyūwari (地球割り) to the beam-like N'chahō (んちゃ砲). However, she is nearsighted and needs to wear glasses. The character also makes appearances in various other media, most notably in the Dragon Ball media franchise.

Creation and conception
Toriyama claimed that when he told his editor, Kazuhiko Torishima, that he wanted to make a manga about a doctor, Torishima told him to add a robot. Toriyama originally wanted a very large robot, but as it would not fit in the panels, he instead made it small. When his editor rejected that idea, he made the robot a girl knowing Torishima would find her "cute." He also stated that Senbei was supposed to be the main character, but his editor told him to make it Arale instead, which Toriyama agrees turned out better. Torishima later elaborated on this, saying that Arale was initially only a guest character for one chapter. However, because he really liked Toriyama's girl characters the editor wanted her to be the main character. The artist felt differently because Weekly Shōnen Jump is aimed at boys. The two made a bet; Toriyama would create a one-shot manga with a female lead and if it took fourth place or lower in the magazine's reader poll, he could get rid of Arale after the single chapter. Torishima won when Tomato the Cutesy Gumshoe (1979) came in third place, but because Toriyama is stubborn, he refused to change the Dr. Slump name.

Like the names of many other characters, Arale is a pun on the name for a bite-sized rice cracker (arare), and with the family name ("Norimaki Arale") it refers to a sort of arare wrapped with nori seaweed. Toriyama purposefully gives his protagonists plain appearances as he prefers to focus on the story. He believes that having weak-looking characters turn out to actually be strong is more interesting; Arale and Son Goku are prime examples of this. Initially, her glasses were just a gag, with Toriyama wanting to remove them as they made her more difficult to draw. However, they became a trademark of Arale's and readers who had to wear glasses wrote him saying that by Arale having them it made them feel better about themselves, so he ended up keeping them. Arale is usually shown with purple hair, although it is dark brown in the 1997 anime.

In Dr. Slump
Arale poses as Senbei's sister or daughter, depending on who Senbei is talking to. The Norimaki family only grows from there when Arale and Senbei discover an egg when traveling to the past. The egg hatches into a small winged creature that they nickname Gatchan. Then Senbei marries the girl of his dreams (Midori Yamabuki) and they have a son named Turbo. As if the house was not full enough, Gatchan inexplicably splits into two separate entities.

The Dr. Slump series is a self-proclaimed gag manga with no ongoing plot. The entire series is about Arale's humorous exploration of the dynamics of life and the adventures Senbei and his inventions send them on. Arale has unique phrases she often uses, such as "N'cha" (んちゃ), "Bye'cha" (バイちゃ), "Hoyoyo" (ほよよ) to express bewilderment, and yelling "Kiiin" (キーン) when she runs with her hands out.

In Dragon Ball
Arale appears in Toriyama's Dragon Ball when Son Goku chases General Blue all the way to Penguin Village, she then defeats Blue with one kick and one headbutt after he paralyzes Goku. She is also able to ride on the Kinto'un, which indicates her as being pure of heart. In the anime adaptations, Arale is first seen in a picture on the wall of the capsule house Bulma creates in Dragon Ball episode 2, again on the television that Master Roshi is watching in episode 16, and on a poster in Gohan's bedroom in Dragon Ball Z. She also appears in The Great Mystical Adventure film, and her face was shown in the eighth Dragon Ball Z movie. Arale has appeared twice in Dragon Ball Super, first making a brief cameo appearance in episode 43 and later playing a key role in episode 69.

In other media
Arale is a playable character in the crossover video games Jump Super Stars, Jump Ultimate Stars, and J-Stars Victory Vs. She is also playable in several Dragon Ball video games, including Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3, Dragon Ball: Revenge of King Piccolo and Dragon Ball: Origins 2, and makes a non-playable appearance in Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot

In 2014, two commercials featuring Dr. Slump were created by Toei Animation for Suzuki. The commercials advertise the car manufacturer's Kei SUV Hustler and include new acting from Mami Koyama as Arale and Kumiko Nishihara as Gatchan. In 2016, Ayami Nakajo portrayed Arale in a commercial for G.u. clothing. It shows Akane Kimidori (Yuki Uchida) and Peasuke Soramame (Kengo Kora) bewildered when Arale trades in her trademark overalls for a pleated skirt.

Voice actors
In Japanese, Arale is voiced by Mami Koyama in the first Dr. Slump anime, reprising the role in nearly every subsequent appearance, including all Dragon Ball media. She is voiced by Taeko Kawata in the second Dr. Slump anime and by Yuko Hara, keyboardist of the popular rock band Southern All Stars, in the radio drama.

In English, Linda Young voices Arale in the Funimation dubs of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball: Mystical Adventure. Brina Palencia provides Arale's English voice for Dragon Ball Super and all Dragon Ball video games beginning with Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3.

Reception
In 1982, Arale came in 12th place in Animage's fourth annual Anime Grand Prix for Favorite Character. Carl Kimlinger of Anime News Network wrote that among Dr. Slump's cast, Arale is the standout; "The way she laughs and runs and raises unwitting hell are all unforgettable." Her role in Dragon Ball Super was praised by Sam Leach from ANN due to how she clashes with the protagonists Goku and Vegeta; the latter often breaking the fourth wall stating they cannot defeat a person from a gag series.

When asked in 1987 who would win if Arale and Son Goku were to fight, Toriyama said Arale was stronger. Masashi Kishimoto, creator of Naruto, gained an interest in drawing during his childhood from drawing pictures of Arale.

In popular culture
In the 1985 Hong Kong film My Lucky Stars, Jackie Chan's character appears in an Arale costume while working undercover in a theme park.

Discussing Mario's center of gravity in a strategy guide for the 1996 video game Super Mario 64, creator Shigeru Miyamoto said Mario "sort of runs like Arale-chan, with the correct sense of weight in the body."

Japanese comedian Hōsei Yamasaki dressed up as Arale, doing her signature "Kiiin" and "N'cha" on the Downtown no Gaki no Tsukai ya Arahende!! Cosplay Bus Tour series. Because of failing to complete his task (getting spaghetti for the entire cast) he then had to fly to Italy to get spaghetti for the entire cast and crew, dressed as Arale all the way.

An episode of the American TV show America's Funniest Home Videos featured a video with a cutout of Arale that people could stick their head through, only to have it fall down.

The 2004 Samurai Champloo episode "Bogus Booty" has a scene where Mugen impersonates Arale's signature run by sticking his arms out and making the sound "Kiiin".

The main character of the 2018 video game Dragon Quest Builders 2, for which Toriyama was the character designer, runs with their hands out like Arale.

Korean mixed martial artist Seo Hee Ham is nicknamed "Arale-chan" in Japan due to her appearance outside of the ring bearing resemblance to the fictional character.

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ACO, C.A.

ACO, C.A. is a Venezuelan holding company for an umbrella organization of over eighty companies engaged in a wide variety of industries throughout Venezuela predominantly in the automotive industry. It is best known for the sale, servicing and leasing of automobiles nationally.

History
ACO was founded in 1951 by Arnold Orav, Chairman along with Harry Männil, President & CEO, and with the financial backing of Alcoa Aluminum Corp. (majority shareholder), the Juan Simon Mendoza family (Polar Group), the Tamayo family (largest Venezuelan liquor distributor et al.), and other prominent Venezuelan investors. The company emerged in the 1970s as the world's largest tractor dealership as the dealer for John Deere Tractors in Venezuela. It also became the largest automobile dealership in South America, according to the Ford Motors Company (USA).

A significant contributor to the success of the Grupo Aco was the innovative introduction in Venezuela of in-house auto sale financing using a captive finance company. Whereas Grupo Aco had equity stakes in a great number of companies, the balance of ownership of many of these companies was held by Grupo Aco shareholders. As a result, Grupo Aco commanded a larger market share than would be suggested only by its totally owned companies. It attained US $900 million in sales during 1973 and ranked as the most profitable private sector company in the nation that year. Changes in Venezuela's economy and political environment during the early 1980s caused a downturn for many large businesses in Venezuela.

In the case of the Aco Group, a financial crisis emerged as motor vehicle sales plummeted. By 1993, the Aco Group was forced into reorganization and a restructuring of the entire group. This led to Harry Mannil becoming the largest shareholder, at 24% of common shares. Efforts to recover financially were overwhelmed by continuous declines in the nation's private sector economy. Aco, S.A. was splintered into several groups, with a substantial number of auto dealerships taken under direct ownership by Harry Mannil.

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Vince Melamed

Vincent Edward "Vince" Melamed is an American keyboardist and songwriter who resides in Nashville, Tennessee. He was born in New York, and moved to Los Angeles at an early age. Melamed has appeared with many bands as a keyboardist (Bob Dylan, J.D. Souther, Eagles, Jimmy Buffett, Dan Fogelberg, Glenn Frey) and has co-written songs for other artists, including "Walkaway Joe" by Trisha Yearwood, "What Mattered Most" by Ty Herndon, "Tell Me What You Dream" by Restless Heart, "I'll Take That as a Yes (The Hot Tub Song)" by Phil Vassar, and "She'd Give Anything" by Boy Howdy. Melamed has received numerous BMI Million Air awards.

In the early 1990s, he was part of Run C&W, with fellow musicians Jim Photoglo, Russell Smith of the Amazing Rhythm Aces and former Eagles member Bernie Leadon. He participated as a counselor for the 2005 Rock 'n Roll Fantasy Camp.

He now enjoys a career in VoiceOver featured in 2K Games Mafia III, Nintendo ads, other video and phone games as well as various TV and Radio spots

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Jack Carter

Jack Carter may refer to:

 * Jack Carter (actor) (died 1967), American actor in the early twentieth century
 * Jack Carter (comedian) (1922–2015), American comedian, actor, and host
 * Jack Carter (cricketer) (1907–1995), Australian cricketer
 * Jack Carter (Eureka character), character on the American science fiction drama Eureka
 * Jack Carter (footballer) (1910–1992), English professional footballer
 * Jack Carter (politician) (born 1947), American businessman and politician
 * Jack Carter, the protagonist of several novels by Ted Lewis, and of the film adaptations of those novels
 * Jack Carter, a character from Warren Ellis's comic Planetary

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Sughra Imam

Syeda Sughra Imam (Punjabi, سیدہ صغرہ امام) is a Pakistani politician who was elected from the platform of the Pakistan Peoples Partyserved from Punjab on a reserve seat for women.

Early life and education
Syeda Sughra Imam belongs to a political family. She is the daughter of two politicians, Syed Fakhar Imam and Syeda Abida Hussain, was born on November 14, 1972, in Lahore.

Political career
After graduation, she worked at the US based foreign policy think tank, the Council on Foreign Relations, New York City, and as a consultant to the United Nations Development Programme and other NGOs. She served as chairperson, Zila Council, Jhang during 1998-99, and has been elected as Member Provincial Assembly of the Punjab in General Elections 2002. She elected both times by joining the Pakistan Peoples Party.

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Clamp

Clamp may refer to:

Tools and devices

 * Brick clamp, an early method of baking bricks
 * Clamp (tool), a device or tool used to hold objects in a fixed relative position (many types listed)
 * C-clamp
 * C-clamp (stagecraft)
 * Riser clamp, a device used to support vertical piping
 * Nipple clamp, a sex toy
 * Storage clamp, an agricultural root crop storage
 * Wheel clamp, a device used with road vehicles to prevent theft or enforce parking restrictions

Biology and medicine

 * CLAMP (Climate leaf analysis multivariate program), a method for characterizing past climates
 * Clamp (zoology), an attachment structure found in some parasitic flatworms
 * Clamp connection, a structure formed by hyphal cells of certain fungi
 * DNA clamp, a ring-like structure associated with DNA replication and other phenomena
 * Glucose clamp technique, a method for quantifying insulin secretion and resistance
 * Patch clamp, a technique used to hold a natural cell membrane or artificial lipid bilayer

Electronics and software

 * Clamping (graphics), the process of limiting a position to an area
 * Clamper (electronics), an electrical circuit that limits one extreme of a signal by offsetting the signal
 * Clipper (electronics), an electrical circuit that limits one extreme of a signal by holding the signal back
 * Current clamp, a device for measuring electric current
 * Voltage clamp, a technique and device used to measure ion transport across cells
 * Wire clamp, hardware that secures wire or cable, or a clamp made of wire
 * Wire clamp connector, a solderless electrical connector using screws or crimping

Fictional characters

 * Clamp, a character in the television show Galactik Football
 * Clamps, a member of the Robot Mafia in Futurama

Other uses

 * CLAMP, an all-female Japanese manga artist group that formed in the mid-1980s
 * Clamp (surname), a surname
 * All pages with titles containing Clamp (90+)
 * (includes redirects)

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User talk:Sprocket

"Archive"

The Jane Show
Hi Sprocket,

I thought i would let you know that i am going to make an attempt at improving The Jane Show and am inviting you to help if you wish to. Referencing things will be the tricky part since Global has redesigned their website since the end of the series. I have that pilot episode that you thought you saw late one night in early January 2005. It is transferred from VHS but i also have the VHS recording too I have an episode list that i am working on, presently located at User:deliriousandlost/playpen. I had put a note on the talk page from my alt account almost 9 months ago; i'm the one who added The Jane Show to tv tome (now known as TV.com) and worked on it there a few years ago now.

Cheers

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vince F. Postell, PhD

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. -R. fiend 14:20, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Vince F. Postell, PhD
non-notable Nv8200p (talk) 02:10, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * KeepJoaquin Murietta 05:13, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete average professor - no especial notability.    Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk   07:29, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete. Per CSD: A7 - No assertion of notability. Also possible hoax /and or attack. Placing the speedy tag.--inks T 08:35, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Not a hoax, but NN either. The second result on Google is the Wikipedia page.--inks T 08:38, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Inks, I strongly disagree that this is speediable. "I am a professor of X at Y" is an ipso facto assertion of notability, in my view, because the prominence of the individual is thereafter easy to verify.  I don't think the average professor deserves an article, but he does deserve an AfD to investigate how notable he is. Xoloz 09:09, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how "I am a professor of X at Y" is any more an assertion of notability than "I am a lathe operator at XYZ Engineering". It's just a statement of occupation and employer. Yes, it does increase verifiability, but there is nothing inherently notable about being a professor. MCB 00:42, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I disagree. Thanks to the current culture of universities, almost every active  (US, anyway) professor is publishing something in some journal, and it is easy as pie to search that out.  In such cases, when there is a very high likelihood of an easy determination of notability at AfD, no claim with any degree of specificity and reasonableness needs to be speedied.  Put simply, no single admin is God-like enough to know absolutely whether a prof. is notable; these are the sorts of cases  which are fundamental to the design of AfD, in my view.  More than one voice is a necessity.  To directly address your analogy, a professor is more potentially notable than a lathe operator because it is a virtual certainty he has published some academic work, and it is likely he has published some book. Xoloz 13:46, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * But simple publication of books or journals is no indicator of notability. How is a book notable if it sells 4 copies, or a paper notable if published in an obscure journal? Perhaps if they said "has publised 400 papers, 30 of them in Nature, and 50 in Science" - that I would consider to be an assertion of notability. To me, simply being a professor, without further qualifying information is no assertion of notability, which is why I tagged it for speedy delete.--inks T 04:30, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * For me, anyway, publishing a book is an assertion of notability. It doesn't mean you are notable, certainly, but it gives us enough evidence to evaluate quickly whether you are.  Say the stub for the recently deceased M. Scott Peck started as, "He was a PhD who wrote a book."  This is not something we need to speedy.  Send to AfD, where someone will find out what book and (if they are a constructive Wikipedian, will update the stub.  For Postell, he's nn, because nobody has found anything he's written, but suppose he had written The Existence of God Proved... you just won't know whether there is a major work lurking in somebody's background until several sets of eyes examine the thing. Xoloz 12:50, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete, includes opinion and non-encyclopedic info. Wouldn't be even a stub if stripped of those. PS. If this was rewritten/kept it needs to be moved to Vince F. Postell (without the title, per naming conventions). - Mgm|(talk) 08:50, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable. utcursch | talk 11:23, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. non-notable71.28.243.246 18:04, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Having a PhD and being employed by a university does not make someone notable. Average Earthman 21:58, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless something more notable about this person shows up. Qaz  ( talk ) 04:59, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn Dottore So 05:54, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable. Xoloz 09:09, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as nn; see comment above. MCB 00:43, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete no need to mirror his cv. --Vsion 04:44, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Clear and Present Danger (film)

Random pictures
Are the random pictures of actors and/or places somehow related to the movie really helpful? Looks a lot like inserting some pictures just for the sake of having some pictures... -- Imladros (talk) 11:52, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

 * There are only two photographs on the entire page. And they depict the key supporting actors in the film. They are very much relevant. It's not in any way different from other film articles on Wikipedia that also include images of actors from their respective films. Baffled12 (talk) 12:17, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Reception section too negative
Seeing as the film holds an 80% approval rating, being generally positive, there should be greater emphasis on the positive aspects of why the film is regarded as such, seeing as the chosen sections from reviews for the film right now are all negative and critical, save for the highlighted blurb from the Washington Post article that is not even included in the actual body of general critical opinions on the film.2601:49:1:5316:3963:63AD:85B7:9C6 (talk) 04:02, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:SOFIXIT? DonIago (talk) 14:08, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

title: Talk:Clear and Present Danger (film)


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title: User talk:141.151.165.67


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Fanon

Fanon may refer to:
 * Frantz Fanon, Martiniquais-French political philosopher
 * Papal fanon, an ecclesiastical garment
 * Fanon (fiction), fan-based fictional canon
 * A division of the French Indian rupee

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Talk:Jim Quinn

Obligatory Rants
Vandalism: The section regarding Quinn's Laws was vandalized, and I restored them, and have a full copy of this article, so further vandalism based on petty partisan hatred of the show will do no good. I will just fix it. June 9, 2007. By Thunder Pig. (Google it).

NOTE: someone should update this article to reflect quinn's obvious disdain for constitutional law (given his support for a criminal administration and, correspondingly, their blatantly illegal abuses of America's governmental infrastructure). his political beliefs as demonstrated on his radio show can hardly be classified as "constitutional." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.166.66.2 (talk) 13:09, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

re: NOTE: someone should hand you a copy of the Consitution so that you can make the decision for yourself what is and what isn't constitutional. Doubtful you know the difference based on the above.

Jim Quinn is definitely an interesting and well spoken radio commentary. Definitely worth a listen if you live in the Pittsburgh area or have the money to subscribe to the site to access the archives of the radio show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by USER NAME OR IP (talk • contribs) DATE AND TIME

Jim Quinn is a nutcase conspiracy theorist. When I took the photo that is this article's sole photo of him, I was under his indoctrination via his radio show every morning for two decades. I lived by his mantras of "Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent" and "being a liberal is standing on your head and telling the rest of the world it's upside down" -- mantras that I realize now describe himself. He regularly makes up ulterior motives out of whole cloth for those he does not like - like how he accuses gay people of trying to "break down core family values", when really we just want to live our lives. He and Rose preach hate and unverified conspiracies about everything in a radio show format that is quite catchy, well formed, and hard not to get drawn into. I've never heard a political talk show use a format quite like his since, which is sad as I quite like the format and hate him and his message now. When you see the photo of him on this page or on Google, know that the photographer who took it has grown to despise the subject, and is still trying to deprogram himself. (NB: I have no intention of changing the photo or its copyright in anyway; one must always remember where he came from to learn from it.) Tustin2121 talk 19:22, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

 * I'll add also, since I was going through the history of this page: edits adding references to that article cited in Pittsburgh synagogue shooting are probably not notable enough for this page. Quinn was many horrible things, but was not anti-semitic; he would often say that the country is "founded on Judeo-Christian values", and Judaism is half of that. His conspiracies were usually in the range of things like the Clinton Body Count, net neutrality being the hidden return of the fairness doctrine, and George Soros funding liberal movements (rather than focusing on his religion). He was also very anti-Muslim, often using a sound clip of a "palestinian kid suicide bomber" to do things like kick callers off the air. Quinn was at most a gateway to Robert Gregory Bowers's radicalization against Jewish people. Tustin2121 talk 20:34, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

blanking
Please stop blanking the page. If you have issue with any individual statement, feel free to bring it up here, but your edits will continue to be reverted. Trilemma 16:53, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Then rewrite it to be a bit more neutral. You've already shown that any edits to what you write will be classified as "vandalism", so it doesn't appear at this time to be worthwhile to work with you. --Likwidshoe 10:27, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Feel free to add any additional material, but your attempt at blanking the page is not acceptable and will continue to be reverted. If you look, you'll see that a previous editor added some information while largely blanking what was there. Most of the information he added has been kept, but the blanking was changed. Trilemma 17:30, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Subjectivity
The main body of this article shows significant subjectivity and should be rewritten. (previously unsigned comment by KongminRegent
 * Please sign your comment's with the four ~'s. I updated yours.

The info stating "Beginning in December 2005, he has added two additional segments to the show: the 'insane item of the day' and the 'stuck on stupid award'." is wrong. The "insane item of the day" has been around since at least 2001. It is not an everyday thing. The "stuck on stupid award" was started a couple of days after this incident. --Likwidshoe 00:24, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Show
Removed 'Like many of his conservative peers' before 'Quinn has no formal training in this area. Opinionated addition.

The sentence detailing his interest in law enforcement not coming to fruition demonstrated gross bias. How many other "conservative talk peers" have shown unrealized interest in joining law enforcement? Who are they? And the clever rhyme describing him as a "hostile talker and docile walker" was a clever play on words that serves no purpose than to paint him with somebody else's brushstroke. It was somebody's clever way to put their mark on an article without adding anything of encylopedic value.

71.55.62.160 23:24, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Quinn toyed with the idea of going into law enforcement as an undercover agent as a topic on his show. He later stated that his advanced age(late 50's) prevented him from being accepted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.165.89.27 (talk) 00:24, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Would "Quinn's Laws" be more of a mockery of "Murphy's laws" rather than a statement of Quinn's worldview?

unsigned comments; previously 'Removing a paragraph'
The paragraph discussing conspiracy theories about Clinton is anecdotal, uninformative, and generaly meant to discredit him and accomplish nothing else. I believe that it should be deleted, and I believe I should recommend it here instead of just doing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by USER NAME OR IP (talk • contribs) DATE AND TIME

 * Yes, you should recommend it here, but if you don't sign your comments, especially when nominating content for deletion, you give the appearance that you are seconding your own nomination (see unsigned "I agree" below). Unsigned nominations for deletion (and unsigned comments in generally) are viewed as suspect and are therefore properly ignored. riverguy42 (talk) 15:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Does anybody known what Heads-Up it is when they play that song with the woman playing the piano singing He Touched Me?

 * That's the Sexual Harrassment Heads-Up. I've added information about that to the section. 71.231.102.185 11:07, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree about the conspiracy section. I also believe there aren't enough references to his recent shows. What about his thoughts on loose change? —Preceding unsigned comment added by USER NAME OR IP (talk • contribs) DATE AND TIME

New Quick Start Guide
When the new station came on, Quinn presented an updated Quick Start Guide, which I transcribed onto this page. I would just like to say that these are supposed to be quotes, so please don't change or adulterate them if you think they are offensive, rough, etc. KongminRegent 22:52, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I did not change the Quick Start Guide, but I did list Quinn's actual Laws of Liberalism. I think there may have been some confusion that the Quick Start Guide was Quinn's Laws of Liberalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Warner77 (talk • contribs) 15:12, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Proposal to move Q&R content to the Q&R article
There already is an article for the War Room with Quinn and Rose radio show, which is the more appropriate place for information related to the radio program (affiliates, theme music, etc...). The two articles are already duplicating the affiliate list.

Jim Quinn was notable prior to co-hosting his current show, and both articles would have enough content to justify the article. The history of Jim Quinn at KQV and other radio jobs is interesting background information, and would benefit from additional research and better sourcing. Improving that information would currently be disrupted by the reversion wars over the controversial content.StreamingRadioGuide (talk) 13:08, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Unsourced
From where do we get this information? Does the subject have an autobiography on a personal website? I couldn't find one on the Warroom website. Also, I moved the show-related info to the show article. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 20:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's called listening to the show. Likwidshoe (talk) 00:29, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean all of the biographical information is gleaned by listeners - and there's nothing in print? ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 00:36, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I have added some of the biographical references. There are also audio archives available on their website. Npeters22 (talk) 14:48, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Discussion of slavery
Why is the only quote from the show Quinn's discussion from slavery in November 2008. It hardly is a defining theme of the show or the only notable thing he has said over his career. I think someone has documented one instance that has otherwise gone unremarked upon for nearly 8 months. I suggest deleting. Npeters22 (talk) 09:54, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Cut-elimination theorem

Neil Leslie's complaint
This page is very confused; for example there is not a sequent calculus there are very many, and there isn't a cut-elimination theorem there are very many, and of course one can frame the theorem as "every derivation can be replaced by a derivation with the same endsequent in which CUT does not occur", or as "the system is closed under the additon of CUT" depending on whether you want to think of cuts as eliminable or admissible. Someone should re-do this page. In the meantime have a look at Goran Sundholm article on Systems of Deduction in the Handbook of Philosophical Logic. He doesn't spend that much time on cut elimination, but the article is generally excellent.

 * There is no doubt the article could be much improved, but I'm a bit surprised by the first part of this criticism: the article talks about three different systems. There is room for disagreement over whether there are many sequent calculi: one can say there are many proof systems formulated in the sequent calculus; calculus here would mean certain conventions about how you formulate a proof system.  I've an idea this point has been discussed elsewhere on wikipedia, but I forget the outcome, and I don't recall where.
 * Admissibility of cut is the formulation of the CE theorem I by far hear most, but it is worth putting both formulations. Why not add it yourself? --- Charles Stewart 02:46, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * One reason for not changing it is that it seems to me to suffer from having been edited by lots of people (Yes, I know that's the whole point of a Wiki). I don't want to add to the confusion by adding yet another patch. There just seems to be a lack of consistency about the page. For example there are two mentions of the subformula property (one implict) which are not really in harmony with each other. A more careful edit is required than the one I would do just now :-) Neil

Similarity to the syllogism
The only thing I know about cut-elimination and the sequent calculus is what I just read in this article, but it seems to me that cut-elimination is very similar to the principle of syllogism: (P→Q)^(Q→R)→(P→R)

If this observation is correct, perhaps the article could mention this connection and discuss its significance. Saying that cut-elimination is analogous to the principle of syllogism early on in the article would make understanding it easier for readers who are more familiar with the first order logic, like me. -- noosph e re 17:01, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Well, yes. Cut could be called syllogism or transitivity of implication or by other names (which I do not remember). But doing so here would be misleading because this theorem applies only to the sequent calculi which are a specialized kind of logic different from those which use those other names. JRSpriggs 07:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Two reasons why it is not similar to the principle of syllogism: (P→Q)^(Q→R)→(P→R):
 * ((First: syllogism neads quantification, so P→Q)^(Q→R)→(P→R) is not a syllogism.))
 * Second: The Cut-elimination theorem is a theorem about the cut which is a meta-logic theorem, not a logic theorem: (P→Q)^(Q→R)→(P→R) is simply true. Cut-theorem is very complicated and not simply true. The different is, that P,Q,R are logical formulars and the cut theorem is about Sequents.--Paul Conradi 16:44, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

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Tautology at syntax level
The article says "T in case of ⊢ T" is a tautology. Do you know that tautology is a semantic category whereas ⊢ operates at syntax level? At syntax level, tautology is called a theorem. Why wasn't it used? --Javalenok (talk) 01:39, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Side remark: Is that so? I always thought "Theorem" == "True sentence given a Model" (whether syntactically derived or otherwise) and "Tautology" == "True sentence for any Interpretation"? So there are sentences that can be theorems but that are not tautologies. There is a T101 in your kitchen (talk) 04:50, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * My understanding is, a theorem is a proposition that has a proof (from a given set of axioms). (Models are not directly relevant, though for logics that satisfy Gödel's completeness theorem, you can phrase it in terms of models if you want to — the rephrasing would be, a theorem is a sentence that is true in every model satisfying the axioms.)
 * A sentence that is true in every interpretation is a validity, not necessarily a tautology. In logics satisfying completeness, a validity is a statement that can be proved without assuming any axioms at all (except the logical axioms, of course).
 * A tautology is a validity of the propositional calculus, or to put it another way, it's a sentence that can be seen to be true without considering the quantifiers. (See my remarks at talk:tautology (logic), which unfortunately have not yet elicited a response.)
 * I am not sure quite how this relates to Javalenok's criticism, because I don't quite follow his/her remarks. But in first-order logic (or any logic satisfying completeness), being a validity is the same as being provable from no axioms.  If ⊢T, then T is provable from no axioms, so it's more than a theorem, it's a validity.  I renew my objection to saying it's necessarily a "tautology", which ought to mean that it's provable in a much weaker framework (for example, truth tables). --Trovatore (talk) 07:04, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Did George Boolos really talk about Cut Elimination?
We read: ''In his essay "Don't Eliminate Cut!" George Boolos demonstrated that there was a derivation that could be completed in a page using cut, but whose analytic proof could not be completed in the lifespan of the universe."''

I have checked that paper by George Boolos and I am mightily confused. In that article he is not talking about Sequent Calculus at all (it's not even mentioned) but about Natural Deduction only. The "cut" he is talking about is the "Modus Ponens" of Natural Deducation, not the "cut" of Sequent Calculus (Why does Boolos call this "cut"? I don't know!). Indeed, the point of the paper seems to be to compare refutation proofs (whereby you add the negation of the goal to the premises and derive BOTTOM) and Natural Deduction proofs employing Modus Ponens. It seems to have nothing at all to do with the Cut-Elimination theorem.

To reformulate: ''In his essay "Don't Eliminate Cut!" George Boolos demonstrated that there was a derivation that could be completed in a page using Natural Deduction, but whose proof via refutation could not be completed in the lifespan of the universe."''

Maybe more on this when I get the time to pore over said paper, Reading George Boolos is hard going as he takes a lot of context for granted and the reasoning is sometimes elided, as if he were entertaining a very bright student who knows what was hot at the time the paper was written. There is a T101 in your kitchen (talk) 04:50, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Why?
If cut elimination is so useful, why have a cut rule in the first place? 31.52.252.40 (talk) 20:47, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Strong or weak normalization?
I'm pretty sure this sentence is wrong

For proof systems based on higher-order typed lambda calculus through a Curry–Howard isomorphism, cut elimination algorithms correspond to the strong normalization property (every proof term reduces in a finite number of steps into a normal form).

If the cut-elimination property states that for any proof *there is* an equivalent cut-free proof I don't see why that would imply *strong* normalization.

In fact, I'm not even sure it implies even the weak one as it's worded, since it's not stated that the equivalent cut-free proof is found by iterated single cut eliminations, but that is more of a pedantic remark since that is the case in general. Mtzguido (talk) 19:00, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

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Guatemalan rock

Guatemalan Rock or Rock Chapín is a genre of rock music which has been developing in Guatemala since the mid-1970s.

Guatemalan Rock Music
Spanish language rock music originated in mid-1960s Guatemala. One of the biggest acts of this early period was Luis Galich and his band Santa Fé. Santa Fé played gigs and concerts in Guatemala City and across greater Guatemala. Bands such as Plástico Pesado (later renamed Quetzalumán), which was composed of Manu Ramirez, Tacuche, Rollin y Paco Lam, expanded Guatemalan rock, experimenting with psychedelic influences and original material. Other psychedelic bands of the time included: S.O.S. (Rony de Leon, Chepito Hope, David de Gandarias, Armando Fong), Caballo Loco, Apple Pie (Tito Henkle, Luis Zetina, Rico Molina & Gentry), Cuerpo y Alma, Banda Clásica, Cerebro, La Compañía, Siglo XX, Eclipse, and Pastel de Fresa.

One remarkable milestone was the unprecedented creation in 1973–74 of the rock opera Corazón del sol naciente (Heart of the Sunrise) by Sol Naciente, a large youth group of dancers, vocalists, an extended chorus, as well as a band which included Guatemalan percussion instruments and unplugged acoustic guitars, piano, and solo violin. Some of the band members later formed the group Alción.

A very important and popular band during the late 1990s and early 2000s was Alux Nahual. They are one of the Spanish lyric writing/singing rock bands that have released a number of recordings in Guatemala. In the beginning, they were heavily influenced by progressive rock' bands such as Kansas (band) and Jethro Tull (band). Though they added a very important native theme to their lyrics, it never really evolved into their sound. Their members are active musicians playing reunion concerts but mostly keep working as individuals producing and performing.

Another popular band was Extincion, which opened for bands such as Control Machete and Enrique Bunbury. They were characterized by their hard lyrics and speed metal sounds.

Guatemalan rock bands such as Radio Viejo, Ricardo Andrade y los Últimos Adictos (which disbanded after their leader, Ricardo Andrade, was murdered in Sanarate, El Progreso), Bohemia Suburbana, Viernes verde and Viento en Contra enjoyed popularity among high-school and college students during the 1990s and 2000s. Also popular were Fabulas and La Tona, and Bohemia Suburbana, the most influential band to emerge from the scene around that decade. Fusing influences like U2 and Soda Stereo, Bohemia Suburbana created something rooted in well-crafted melodies and arrangements. Their most noted influences came from underground American and European sounds and some from South America and the Caribbean. The band has been active again after their reunion in 2012 called BS20; they released a new album entitled Imaginaria Sonora which put them back in the Guatemalan rock scene. Their recent single/video Pero Nadie received 20,000 views in one day.

Additionally, Viernes Verde, who formed in 1993 (around the same time as Bohemia Suburbana) has continued to perform despite numerous lineup changes. Viernes Verde are also the founders of the rock festival La Garra Chapina, which was created by them to help newcomers get into the Guatemalan rock industry. According to their official band web page, the idea of this concert was to transmit their message through audiovisual aids to represent historical Guatemalan moments. This concert event was one of the first to be broadcast in its entirety by national radio stations in Guatemala. It had a full house and has been continued annually since 1999. Viernes Verde started as a grunge band, but has evolved to play different music styles which gives the band one of its distinctive characteristics. The sounds of Viernes Verde, based on the majority of their songs, would be described as alternative rock. One of the main factors that allowed the group to gain such a strong popularity is their ability to appeal to a broad audience. On their first album titled, Cenizas Bajo Tus Pies, they have six tracks in Spanish and four in English. Having songs in both languages allows them the opportunity to connect with a larger audience.

Some Guatemalan rock bands active in the present are: Razones de Cambio, El Tambor de la Tribu, Malacates Trebol Shop, Viernes verde, Redhka, La Gran Calabaza, El Clubo, Viento en Contra, Anarkia, Sinattra, Legión, Vitriolo, Bohemia Suburbana, and Especies, among many others. Newer bands, like 4 Tiempos, have emerged in the early 2000s. Hedras Ramos is a young rock guitar player, perhaps the most prolific guitarist representing Guatemala in countries like England and Romania at rock world guitar competitions like Guitar Idol and Ziua Chitarelor 3 respectively.

Guatemalan Rock and Roll came to be an influence in the broader Guatemalan society and was synonymous with rebellion, yet it never provided a medium in which a broad base of youth from the 60s and 70s could make something influential enough to affect change in all sectors of society. There were some major factors that prohibited it from being popularly accepted among the country of Guatemalans. During this period, there was a lot of corruption and social unrest in Guatemala. The police would often search and arrest audience members at rock gigs, as well as many other types of gatherings. On occasion, musicians would go missing and never be found or would be found dead. Another factor was that rock music was mainly produced in English. It took some time for the transition of rock music from English to Spanish to be accepted as rock by the people. Today, the sound of the bands has so much to do with what North America produces, and the only efforts to make something original have been attempts to fuse native elements with a rock sound. A unique case on the scene is the rock band Sobrevivencia from Huehuetenango, whose lyrics are sung in Mam, a Mayan language spoken in the Guatemalan northwest.

In 2011, a new movement was born called El Ritmo de La Paz created by the company Impulsos Creativos. Its main approach was for new or amateur rock bands to compete for the prize of recording their first album with the company and promotion in the media.

13 amateur bands joined the movement and only seven made it to the finals; they played along with professional bands at Parque de la Industria such as Silent Poetry, Conciencia Sublime, Arena Rock, Nova Epica, Bhios (Huehuetenango), Artifice and Metal Requiem.

The winner of the contest was a band called Iridium Mas Alla de Mi Tierra who have been promoted by Impulsos Creativos. They have appeared on national television, and they have been interviewed and their songs played on national radio stations. They are recording their first album as they play numerous concerts.

El Ritmo de La Paz is an annual Rock Festival with a message for the utopian peace that every Guatemalan desires.

References and further reading

 * Dieter Lehnhoff, Creación musical en Guatemala. Guatemala City: Editorial Galería Guatemala, 2005. ISBN 99922-704-7-0.
 * Hernandez, Deborah Pacini, Héctor Fernández L'Hoeste, and Hector Zolov. Rockin' Las Américas. Pittsburgh, PA: University of Pittsburgh Press, 2004. ISBN 0-8229-5841-4 http://www.upress.pitt.edu/BookDetails.aspx?bookId=35483

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Vernon Johns

Dr. Vernon Johns (April 22, 1892 – June 11, 1965) was an American minister based in the South and a pioneer in the civil rights movement. He is best known as the pastor (1947–52) of the Dexter Avenue Baptist Church in Montgomery, Alabama. He was succeeded there by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Johns was widely known in the black community across the South for his profound scholarship in the classics, his intellect, and his highly controversial and outspoken sermons on race relations, which were ahead of his time.

Life
Johns was born in Darlington Heights, Prince Edward County, Virginia. Three of his grandparents had been enslaved. His paternal grandfather was hanged for killing his master. Johns's maternal grandfather was a Mr. Price, a white man. Price had a long-standing relationship with Johns's maternal grandmother. After killing another white man who tried to rape her, Price was convicted and served prison time. When she died young, their daughter Sallie Price (who later became Johns's mother) was raised by Price's white wife. The fact that Price was the father of the mixed-race girl Sallie was not generally acknowledged.

In 1915, Johns graduated from Virginia Theological Seminary and College. He attended the Oberlin Seminary, where he studied with classmate Robert M. Hutchins. While at Oberlin, Johns was highly respected by both his classmates and the faculty; he was chosen to give the annual student oration. After graduating from Oberlin in 1918, he attended the University of Chicago's graduate school of theology.

After studying at the University of Chicago, Johns was called as a preacher to various congregations in Virginia, West Virginia, and Pennsylvania. In 1926, he was the first African American to have his work published in Best Sermons of the Year.

In 1927, Johns married Altona Trent. She was a pianist and music teacher who became a professor at what is now Alabama State University. In 1929–33 Johns served as president of Lynchburg's Virginia Theological Seminary and College. He was unable to stabilize the school's finances and was forced to resign. He returned to his family farm for several years.

In 1937 Johns was called again as a pastor of First Baptist Church in Charleston, West Virginia. In 1941, Johns returned to Lynchburg as pastor of Court Street Baptist Church, but was quickly forced to resign by the congregation and returned to the farm.

His wife's connection to ASU enabled her to influence Dexter Avenue Baptist Church to hire Johns as pastor in October 1948. On one occasion, he paid his fare on a bus in Montgomery, and was directed to the back in the custom of segregated seating. He refused to sit there and demanded, and got, his money back. He sometimes ruffled feathers among his upper- and middle-class congregation by selling his farm produce outside the church building.

Johns's niece, Barbara Johns, led a student strike in Prince Edward County, Virginia in 1951. Ultimately she was involved in a suit against the county, Davis vs. Prince Edward County. This was one of five cases that was combined in the Brown vs. Board of Education of Topeka suit that reached the U.S. Supreme Court. It ruled that segregation of public schools was unconstitutional and urged states to desegregate such facilities. Ms. Johns noted that one of her inspirations was her uncle, Rev. Johns.

In May 1953, Johns was forced to resign as pastor in Montgomery. He returned to his family farm, where he spent the rest of his life.

Vernon Johns died of a heart attack in Washington, D.C., on June 11, 1965, at age 73.

Legacy
A television film, Road to Freedom: The Vernon Johns Story (1994), written by Leslie Lee and Kevin Arkadie, was based on an unpublished biography by Henry W. Powell of The Vernon Johns Society. It was directed by Kenneth Fink and stars James Earl Jones in the title role. Former NBA player Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was the film's co-executive producer.

David Anderson Elementary School in Petersburg, Virginia, was renamed as Vernon Johns Middle School. In 2009 it was adapted as the junior high school for the city school system.

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Symmetric hydrogen bond

A symmetric hydrogen bond is a special type of hydrogen bond in which the proton is spaced exactly halfway between two identical atoms. The strength of the bond to each of those atoms is equal. It is an example of a 3-center 4-electron bond. This type of bond is much stronger than "normal" hydrogen bonds, in fact, its strength is comparable to a covalent bond. It is seen in ice at high pressure (Ice X), and also in the solid phase of many anhydrous acids such as hydrofluoric acid and formic acid at high pressure. It is also seen in the bifluoride ion [F−H−F]−. Much has been done to explain the symmetric hydrogen bond quantum-mechanically, as it seems to violate the duet rule for the first shell: The proton is effectively surrounded by four electrons. Because of this problem, some consider it to be an ionic bond.

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