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Alan Shatter

Alan Joseph Shatter (born 14 February 1951) is an Irish lawyer, author and former Fine Gael politician who served as Minister for Justice and Equality and Minister for Defence from 2011 to 2014. He was a Teachta Dála (TD) for the Dublin South constituency from 1981 to 2002 and from 2007 to 2016.

He ended his membership of Fine Gael in early 2018. His most recent books are Life is a Funny Business (2017) and Frenzy and Betrayal: The Anatomy of a Political Assassination (2019).

Personal life
Born in Dublin to a Jewish family, Shatter is the son of Elaine and Reuben Shatter, an English couple who met by chance when they were both on holidays in Ireland in 1947. He was educated at The High School, Dublin, Trinity College Dublin and the Europa Institute of the University of Amsterdam. In his late teens he worked for two months in Israel on a kibbutz.

Shatter has lived most of his life in Dublin; he grew up in Rathgar and Rathfarnham and lives now in Ballinteer with his wife, Carol Ann (Danker) Shatter. He has two adult children. With interests in fifteen properties, Shatter had the largest property portfolio of any member of Ireland's cabinet while a cabinet minister (2011–2014).

Legal and writing career
Shatter was a partner in the Dublin law firm Gallagher Shatter (1977-2011). As a solicitor he acted as advocate in many seminal and leading cases determined both by the High Court and Supreme Court. He is the author of one of the major academic works on Irish family law (1977, 1981, 1986 and 1997) which advocated substantial constitutional and family law reform. As a politician he played a lead role in effecting much of the constitutional and legislative change he advocated. He is a former chairperson of FLAC (the Free Legal Advice Centres), a former chairperson of CARE, an organisation that campaigned for child care and children's legislation reform in the 1970s and a former President of the Irish Council Against Blood Sports. Among his professional affiliations, he is a Fellow of the International Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers.

He is also the author of the satirical book Family Planning Irish Style (1979), and the novel Laura (1989). In 2017, his Life is a Funny Business was published by Poolbeg Press and in 2019 Frenzy and Betrayal: The Anatomy of a Political Assassination was published by Merrion Press. The former is a biography of the years prior to his election as a member of the Irish parliament and their relationship to later events. The latter is the story of controversies that occurred in the period immediately preceding his resignation from government in May 2014, and the reports into these events.

In 2023, his book Cyril's Lottery of Life, a comic book with a protagonist who is an English attorney from a small town, was published.

Political career
Shatter was first elected to the Dáil at the 1981 general election, and was re-elected at each subsequent election until he lost his seat at the 2002 general election. He was re-elected at the 2007 general election. Shatter was a member of Dublin County Council from 1979 to 1999 for the Rathfarnham local electoral area.

While in opposition, he published more private member's bills than any other TD had done previously. His Judicial Separation and Family Law Reform Act 1989, radically reforming Irish family law, was the first piece of legislation enacted by an opposition TD for 35 years. His Adoption Act 1991 provided for the recognition for the first time of foreign adoptions in Ireland. As Fine Gael’s Spokesperson on the Environment, he published in 1989 Ireland’s first ever legislation to establish an Environment Protection Agency. His bill embraced the precautionary principle prioritizing environmental protection principles in government decision making. Whilst it was opposed by the then Fianna Fáil government it laid the foundation for subsequent government legislation. Prior to becoming a member of the Oireachtas, Shatter satirised some of the bizarre measures contained in a government sponsored 1979 Family Planning Bill in a short best seller book, "Family Planning – Irish Style" which contained cartoons by Chaim Factor, a well known artist and sculptor. Amongst his targets was a provision which required a medical prescription to purchase condoms with the prescription designating the monthly number of condoms that could be lawfully purchased.

During the 1980s, Shatter successfully lobbied for the establishment of an Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs. He was a member of the Committee from its foundation in 1992, apart from a brief period in 1993 to 1994, and its chairman from December 1996 to June 1997. He was also for many years a member of the Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Law Reform and Defence. He is a former member also of the Health and Children Committee and the Special Committee that considered the wording for a Children's Rights referendum. Wording he drafted substantially influenced the content of an amendment on Children’s Rights incorporated into the Irish Constitution after a successful referendum in 2012. Shatter was the founder of the Ireland/Israel Parliamentary Friendship Group and acted as its chairperson for many years. In 1985, Shatter visited the Soviet Union together with his Fine Gael colleague, Senator Seán O'Leary, and met with various Jewish refusenik families who had been prevented from emigrating to Israel and were in substantial difficulties with some family members imprisoned and others fired from academic and scientific jobs and forced to engage in menial employment. Upon returning to Dublin, Shatter and O’Leary published a report and held a press conference on their plight. The previous year on international human rights day Shatter proposed a Dail motion on the plight of Soviet Jewry which was passed and adopted by Dáil Éireann. Subsequently similar motions were adopted in other European Parliaments.

In 1983, Shatter was involved in controversy when he defied his party's whip to vote against the inclusion in the Irish constitution of an anti abortion provision. In 1998, he was the author of a major report published by the Health Committee which criticised tobacco companies and recommended various controls on smoking and tobacco advertising. In the years that followed most of the recommendations made were implemented by government.

During a period in 1993 to 1994, he was removed from the Foreign Affairs committee by party leader John Bruton as a disciplinary measure for breaking the party whip by his voting in favour of a Bill to ban live hare coursing.

He was Fine Gael Front Bench Spokesperson on Law Reform (1982, 1987–88); the Environment (1989–91); Labour (1991); Justice (1992–93); Equality and Law Reform (1993–94); Health and Children (1997–2000); Justice, Law Reform and Defence (2000–02); Children (2007–10); and Justice and Law Reform (2010–11).

During the 2009 Gaza War, Sinn Féin TD Aengus Ó Snodaigh said that Shatter and the Israeli Ambassador to Ireland had exposed the Oireachtas committee on Foreign Affairs to "propaganda, twisted logic and half truths". Ó Snodaigh also said that Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda minister, would have been proud of it. The Sinn Fein TD's attack on Shatter generated controversy, resulting in strong criticism of Ó Snodaigh from members of the ruling coalition and the Israeli embassy. In February 2009, during a sitting of the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs concerning the Gaza conflict, Shatter clashed verbally with Israeli historian Ilan Pappé, Professor of History at the University of Exeter, accusing Pappé of biased scholarship and historical inaccuracies. Shatter opposed the Control of Economic Activity (Occupied Territories) Bill 2018 to ban the sale of products from Israeli settlements in Ireland.

On 9 March 2011, Shatter was appointed by the Taoiseach Enda Kenny as both Minister for Justice and Equality and Minister for Defence.

Minister for Justice (2011–2014)
Under Shatter's steerage, a substantial reform agenda was implemented with nearly 30 separate pieces of legislation published, many of which are now enacted including the Personal Involvency Act 2012, Criminal Justice Act 2011, DNA Database Act, and the Human Rights and Equality Commission Act. Under his guidance, major reforms were introduced in 2011 into Ireland's citizenship laws and a new Citizenship Ceremony was created. Shatter both devised and piloted Ireland’s first ever citizenship ceremony which took place in June 2011 and a new inclusive citizenship oath which he included in his reforming legislation. During his time as Minister, he cleared an enormous back log of citizenship applications and 69,000 foreign nationals became Irish citizens. Some applications had lain dormant for 3 to 4 years. He introduced a general rule that save where there was some real complication, all properly made citizenship applications should be processed within a six month period. Shatter also took steps to facilitate an increased number of political refugees being accepted into Ireland and created a special scheme to facilitate relations of Syrian families already resident in Ireland who were either caught up in the civil war in Syria, or in refugee camps elsewhere as a result of the civil war in Syria, to join their families in Ireland.

Shatter had enacted legislation before the end of July 2011 to facilitate access to financial documentation and records held by third parties in investigations into banking scandals and white collar crime. The legislation was first used by the Gardaí in September 2011.

During Ireland's Presidency of the Council of the European Union in 2013, he chaired the Justice and Home Affairs Council (JHA) meetings and, in January 2013, in Dublin Castle, the meeting of EU Defence Ministers. Under his guidance, Ireland played a more active role than in the past in EU defence matters and in deepening Ireland's participation in NATO's partnership for peace. Under his guidance, during the course of the Irish Presidency, substantial progress was made at the European Union level in the adoption and development of new legislation and measures across a broad range of Justice and Home Affairs issues.

In June 2011, he apologised for "unfair and inaccurate" comments he made about RTÉ crime correspondent Paul Reynolds after saying he "consistently engages in tabloid sensationalism". When eight former attorneys general criticised the proposed Thirtieth Amendment of the Constitution on Oireachtas inquiries he described their views as "nonsense" and "simply wrong".

Shortly after taking office, the Cloyne report which had been commissioned by the previous government to investigate clerical sex abuse of children in the Diocese of Cloyne, was released. In response to this report and several other sex abuse scandals involving the Catholic Church, the Fine Gael–Labour Party government announced controversial plans to criminalise failure to report an allegation of child abuse. Seán Brady, the Catholic Archbishop of Armagh, condemned this as compromising the Seal of the Confessional. Shatter steered the legislation through the parliament and it was enacted in 2012.

Following publication in 2012 of the report of then Independent Senator Martin McAleese into the Magdalene Laundries, which Shatter commissioned, he established with government agreement a financial scheme to compensate the survivors of the laundries and other supportive measures. A state apology for the survivors scandalous ill treatment by various religious orders was, as a result of Shatter's engagement with this long ignored issue, made in the Dail by the Taoiseach, Enda Kenny. The plight of the survivors of the laundries had been ignored for decades and there was widespread welcome for the government action taken.

Major reform of the Irish prison system occurred and greater co-operation between the prison and probation services was implemented. A prison modernisation programme was implemented and slopping out virtually ended. Mountjoy Prison was refurbished to provide proper in cell sanitation and construction of a new Cork Prison was commenced. He also had enacted legislation to require the courts to make greater use of community service orders for minor offences and to facilitate the payment of court imposed fines by instalment.

In September 2011, Shatter published the Legal Services Reform Bill to modernise the legal profession, introduce greater competition and tackle the problem of excessive legal costs. The Bill generated enormous opposition from both the barristers and solicitors professional bodies. It was welcomed by the Competition Authority and some other bodies, including the Troika to whom the Irish government was obliged to report as a result of the financial and banking collapse. Shatter engaged in an extensive consultative process on the Bill and it was substantially amended and improved as it went through the legislative process. Shatter refused to amend the provisions designed to reduce legal costs and increase competition and to enable barristers and solicitors work together jointly as court advocates and in partnerships. The barristers opposition to the bill remained strident whilst the solicitors became supportive of most of its provisions. The Bill still had to complete its enactment when Shatter resigned in May 2014. Following Shatter's resignation, his successor as Justice minister, Frances Fitzgerald, amended some of the provisions.

On 3 March 2012, a convicted Garda killer escaped from low security open detention centre Loughan House in County Cavan, and fled across the border into Northern Ireland. Shatter later apologised and said "it should not have occurred."

Shatter's proposal to cabinet in the autumn of 2013 that a referendum on marriage equality be held in the first half of 2015 was accepted and with cabinet agreement he published in February 2014 the draft Children and Family Relationships Bill to substantially reform and modernise various aspects of child and family law. The legislation was enacted shortly before the referendum was held in 2015. The legislation enacted substantially reflected the draft bill Shatter published, save that the government omitted provisions relating to surrogacy, announcing in September 2014 that the issue would be addressed in separate legislation. As of June 2020, a general scheme of an Assisted Human Reproduction Bill has been published, but it has not advanced in the legislative process.

He was the Minister responsible for two amendments to the Constitution of Ireland which were passed in referendums: the Twenty-ninth Amendment in 2011 to allow for the reduction of judges' pay, and the Thirty-third Amendment in 2013 to establish a Court of Appeal. Just prior to his resignation from government the draft legislation to create the court was published and the court was established and sitting by October 2014.

The jurisdictions of the courts were extended for the first time in 20 years and the maximum civil damages payable for the emotional distress of bereaved relations following a negligent death was increased.

Minister for Defence (2011–2014)
Shatter implemented substantial reform in the Department of Defence and restructured the Irish Defence Forces. He is a strong supporter of the Irish Defence Forces participation in international peacekeeping and humanitarian engagements. As a member of the Irish Parliament and as Minister on many occasions, he visited Irish troops participating in UN missions in the Middle East. Under his watch contracts were signed for the acquisition of 2 new naval vessels with an option to purchase a third. All three naval vessels are now part of the Irish naval service and have been actively engaged in recent years in rescuing from drowning refugees in the Mediterranean attempting to enter Europe. As Minister for Defence, he enacted legislation to grant a pardon and an amnesty to members of the Irish defence forces who deserted during World War 2 to fight on the allied side against Nazi Germany and gave a state apology for their post war treatment by the Irish State.

Penalty points controversy
In November and December 2012 controversy arose as a result of some Independent TDs alleging Gardaí had unlawfully cancelled road traffic tickets and penalty points and naming individuals in the Dail who it was alleged had broken the law. Shatter stated that caution should be exercised in assuming all the allegations made were accurate pending the completion of an investigation, expressed concern about individuals being so named and promised to publish the investigation report. In December 2012, he also stated that if following completion of the investigation he had any remaining concerns he would refer the issue to the independent Garda Inspectorate. In May 2013, he published two Garda reports. They established that in approx 2.5% of cases examined there had been a failure to properly comply with Garda procedures and recommended the introduction of reforms. Shatter described some of the decisions made cancelling penalty points as "exotic" and defying common sense. He published a code of practice to apply in the future and requested an independent report from the Garda Inspectorate. It was published 9 months later, proposed further reforms and endorsed Shatter's code of practice. In March 2014, Shatter announced the governments agreement to implement all of the recommended reforms. When publishing the May 2013 Reports, Shatter acknowledged the role played by a Garda whistle blower in identifying Garda failures while expressing concern about some inaccurate allegations made that had been widely publicised and fueled some of the political and media controversy relating to the issue, including an inaccurate allegation that 7 individuals had died in traffic accidents because of the cancellation of penalty points. In the Dail in October 2013, he criticised a whistleblower for not co-operating with the original Garda investigation into his allegations. This generated further controversy and criticism of Shatter by his political opponents. Following publication of the Garda Inspectorates report, he apologised to the whistleblower in the Dail, explaining he understood the whistleblower had co-operated with the Inspectorate and that he now believed the Gardaí should have done more to engage with him prior to May 2013. During hearings of the Disclosures Tribunal in 2018, it emerged from evidence given by Shatter and Garda Assistant Commissioner O’Mahony that the whistleblower, Maurice McCabe, had requested anonymity when alleging Garda failures, that request had been respected and it was the reason why he had not been interviewed during the Garda investigation into his allegations relating to traffic charges and penalty points.

GSOC bugging affair
In February 2014, the Irish edition of The Sunday Times' ran a series of stories claiming that the offices of the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (GSOC) had been bugged with a variety of highly sophisticated bugging equipment available only to government-level actors. GSOC's sole responsibility is to investigate wrongdoing in the Irish police force, the Garda Síochána, and there was widespread speculation that the Garda, or some rogue members or former members were responsible for the bugging to forestall investigations. John Mooney, the journalist who wrote the story, explicitly linked the bugging to GSOC's investigation of Garda handling of the case of Kieran Boylan, the convicted drug-runner who was assisted by gardaí in obtaining a passport, a haulage licence and had a prosecution for drug running terminated in extraordinary circumstances. Mooney reported that GSOC called in a specialist British counter-surveillance firm after a senior Garda, in a meeting with GSOC, let slip that he knew of information which GSOC staff had discussed including in a report, but had not actually included.

Shatter, as Justice Minister, had responsibility for both the Garda and GSOC. Statements he made in the aftermath of the revelation were critical of GSOC. Shatter both questioned the conclusion that GSOC offices were bugged, and criticised it for not informing him of the alleged bugging prior to his reading of GSOC’s alleged concerns in February 2013 in the Sunday Times… He stated there was no evidence that GSOC’s offices had been bugged at all or of any Garda involvement, asserting that the source of one of the anomalies found was a WiFi signal from a coffee shop on the ground floor of GSOC's offices. He said that the Gardaí had been subjected to "baseless innuendo". Although GSOC itself had concluded by December 2013 that it had not been bugged and that there was no evidence of any Garda misconduct, both opposition politicians and sections of the media accused Shatter of a cover up and he was under sustained media criticism and political attack. A retired High Court Judge, John Cooke was appointed by the government to conduct an independent informal inquiry which he concluded in June 2014. Cooke fully engaged with GSOC and obtained independent technical assistance. His report confirmed that Shatter had correctly and truthfully addressed the issue, that there was no evidence that GSOC had been bugged or of any Garda involvement and he criticised the Sunday Times reports. The Sunday Times was further criticised by a Senior Counsel in a further report on the issue, commissioned by GSOC, extracts from which were published in September 2014. The Sunday Times never responded to the criticism, explained or apologized for its conduct.

Connections with Oliver Connolly
Oliver Connolly, a barrister, arbitrator, mediator and director of Friary Law, a mediation service nominated by two previous Justice Ministers to conduct court directed mediation was appointed in 2011 by Shatter as the Garda Confidential Recipient, an office intended to receive complaints of wrongdoing confidentially from gardaí who have evidence of malpractice in the force. In February 2014, a transcript of a conversation between Connolly and Sergeant Maurice McCabe, a whistleblower, recorded by McCabe was made public. Initially extracts from the transcript were recited in the Dail by Mick Wallace TD and Leader of the Opposition, Micheál Martin. In it, Connolly appeared to be repeatedly telling McCabe not to take any steps that would lead to the publication of wrongdoing that he was reporting. Connolly is quoted as saying "I’ll tell you something Maurice and this is just personal advice to you. If Shatter thinks your [sic] screwing him, you’re finished … If Shatter thinks it's you, if he thinks or is told by the Commissioner or the Gardaí here’s this guy again trying another route trying to put pressure on, he’ll go after you." On 5 February 2014, these comments were read into the Dáil record by Mick Wallace, the independent TD.

Following the emergence of the GSOC bugging controversy, these comments were featured more prominently in news media. Shatter informed the Dail that there was no basis for what was alleged by Connolly and that he had never made any such threats. On 19 February, Shatter sacked Connolly as Garda Confidential Recipient. This issue coinciding with the GSOC bugging issue and further fuelled the controversy, resulting in trenchant media and political criticism and calls for Shatter's resignation. Connolly in March 2014 issued a statement expressing support for Shatter as a reforming Minister but declined to explain his comments as contained in the McCabe transcript on the basis that his conversations as confidential recipient with whistleblowers were confidential. Until his resignation Shatter continued to be publicly criticised for making alleged threats against McCabe. The O'Higgins Report published in May 2016 addressed the issue. It fully accepted Shatter's evidence to it that he had not had any such discussion with Connolly nor ever threatened McCabe. It also recorded that McCabe did not challenge and accepted Shatter's evidence and that Connolly had when appearing before it declined to address the issue on the basis that his engagement with McCabe was confidential.

Guerin Report, O'Higgins Report, Fennelly Report, resignation and loss of seat
On 25 March 2014, the Garda Commissioner, Martin Callinan announced his retirement as Garda Commissioner. It subsequently emerged that his unexpected departure was connected to the discovery of previously publicly unknown Garda recordings of phone conversations in Garda stations for over two decades. The circumstances relating to the Commissioners premature retirement and the role of the Taoiseach and the actions of Attorney General, Maire Whelan and Alan Shatter as Minister of Justice were the subject of a statutory Commission of Investigation by retired Supreme Court Judge, Niall Fennelly. The Commissioner had written to Brian Purcell, the Secretary General of the Justice Department on 10 March 2014, informing him of the discovery of the recordings and action being taken. The Gardaí had also informed the Attorney General of the issue the previous autumn. Shatter claimed he knew nothing of the letter until after the Commissioner's resignation when some hours later he received a copy of it from the Secretary General of the Justice Department. His political opponents and various media commentators challenged and ridiculed this claim. This added to the controversy in which he was embroiled. Upon publication of the Interim Fennelly Report in September 2015, Fennelly determined that Shatter had told the truth and criticised Whelan for not discussing the issue with him and Purcell for not furnishing the Commissioner's letter to Shatter after he received it. Whelan and Kenny had discussed the recordings issue together on 23 March 2014 and Fennelly was critical of their failure after that meeting to inform Shatter of their concerns about the recordings. Fennelly concluded that had they done so the Commissioners retirement may not have occurred. Shatter claimed that he had not been informed of the recordings until the evening of 24 March 2014. His political opponents alleged he knew of them earlier. The Fennelly Report found also that Shatter was truthful on this issue. The Fennelly Report recorded evidence given by Shatter that contradicted that of Whelan and Kenny in relation to the task given by Kenny to Purcell when visiting the Commissioner on Kenny's direction the night before his premature retirement, 23 March 2014. Kenny claimed that Purcell was tasked to obtain information from Callinan. Shatter claimed he was tasked with informing Callinan that following the next day's cabinet meeting Kenny may be unable to express confidence in Callinan. Shatter's evidence accorded with that of Purcell and Martin Fraser, Kenny's Secretary General in the Taoiseach's Department. The evidence of Whelan and Kenny on the issue was rejected by Fennelly.

On 7 May 2014, Shatter resigned as Minister for Justice and Equality and as Minister for Defence following receipt by the Taoiseach, Enda Kenny, of the report of Seán Guerin into allegations made by Garda Sergeant Maurice McCabe. Guerin criticised Shatter's approach to complaints and allegations made by McCabe and concluded that Shatter had "not heeded" McCabe's voice. The government accepted, adopted and published the report, lodging it in the Oireachtas library. In his resignation letter and six weeks later in the Dail, Shatter challenged Guerin's conclusions and criticism of him asserting that Guerin had neither interviewed him nor given him any opportunity to address his concerns. He stated that Guerin's report recorded Guerin had met McCabe on four separate occasions and conducted nineteen hours of interviews with him. In July 2014, Shatter took court proceedings against Guerin challenging the manner in which he conducted his inquiry. In May 2016, following a sworn Commission of Investigation presided over by retired High Court Judge Kevin O’Higgins, the O'Higgins Report concluded that Shatter, as Minister for Justice, had taken a personal interest in McCabe's complaints and allegations, had dealt with them appropriately, promptly, properly and reasonably and that there had been a failure by McCabe to respond to letters sent by Shatter and his officials to McCabe's solicitors in the period October 2012 to December 2014. O' Higgins conclusions entirely contradicted those of Guerin's informal Inquiry. In October 2016, the Court of Appeal ruled that Shatter had been denied a fair hearing by Guerin and that his rights to natural and constitutional justice had been violated. In March 2017, the Court made a declaration in those terms. Subsequent to the October 2016 judgement the Guerin Report was removed from government websites. In July 2017, the Supreme Court agreed to hear an appeal by Guerin against the decision of the Court of Appeal. In February 2019 the Supreme Court dismissed Guerin’s appeal. In doing so it held that Guerin, pursuant to his appointment, was acting on behalf of the state and ruled that Guerin’s task was to conduct a preliminary inquiry and to identify any issues that should be subject to a sworn commission of investigation; that he had no mandate to pass judgement on anyone or to criticise Shatter and that he had violated Shatters constitutional rights and failed to afford Shatter a fair or any hearing. There was no response by the Irish Government or by any opposition politician to the judgement of the Supreme Court. Almost 2 years later in December 2020 Taoiseach Michael Martin, in a brief statement, informed the Dáil that as a consequence of the Supreme Court decision a revised version of the Guerin Report had been placed in the Oireachtas library with all criticism of Shatter redacted together with the Supreme Court judgements. He made no mention of Shatter’s exoneration by the O’Higgins Report in May 2016 and failed to apologise to Shatter for the wrong done to him.

Shatter contested the redrawn constituency of Dublin Rathdown at the 2016 general election. After the election he complained about a Fine Gael letter signed by Enda Kenny, as Taoiseach and leader of Fine Gael and Brian Hayes MEP, the party's Director of Elections distributed in parts of his constituency which gave the impression he was going to be easily re-elected and which directed Fine Gael voters to give their first preference vote to his Fine Gael colleague, Josepha Madigan. Madigan won the only Fine Gael seat in the three-seat constituency. Hayes later publicly apologised for the distribution of the letter but Kenny remained silent on the issue. Shatter also was critical of the conduct of Fine Gael’s national campaign and the role in it of Enda Kenny.

Publications

 * Family Law in the Republic of Ireland (1980), ISBN 0-905473-43-4
 * Laura: A Novel You Will Never Forget (1989), ISBN 1-85371-042-3
 * Ireland and the Palestine Question 1948–2004 (2005), ISBN 0-7165-2814-2 (foreword by Alan Shatter)
 * Life is a Funny Business (2017), ISBN 978-178199-810-6
 * Frenzy and Betrayal: The Anatomy of a Political Assassination (2019), ISBN 9781785372377

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Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Sfoskett

 * The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a successful request for adminship. Please do not modify it.

Sfoskett
Final (43/6/1) ended 15:17 28 October 2005 (UTC)

– Recently surpassing the 17-thousand edit mark, Stephen Fosketts is one of very few contributors who are part of the 15,000 club without sysop privileges. Since May 2004, Stephen has made a difference by providing a remarkable number of automobile-related photographs to Wikipedia under the GFDL or as public domain, correcting article inaccuracies, and reversing vandalism when necessary; he's also an invaluable contributor to WikiProject Automobiles. I believe User:Sfoskett has proven to be an exceptional member who will not abuse administrative powers and proudly give him my full support. Hall Monitor 21:07, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:

I accept this nomination, somewhat reluctantly. I did not seek admin rights, and will not use them much, but would appreciate them.

Support
 * 1) Support user has a crazy large edit count and seems to be doing everything in their power to make wiki better...  ALKIVAR ™[[Image:Radioactive.svg|18px|]] 10:33, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Support - I'd trust Hall Monitor's nod even if I didn't happen to know that Sfoskett has all the ingredients of a positive admin force for Wikipedia. BD2412  talk 16:19, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Support. Stephen's modesty is really something to admire.  Hall Monitor 16:25, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Support Privat  e   Butcher  16:35, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Support deserves the recognition  Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk   17:03, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Support. --NormanEinstein 18:10, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Support - giving admin powers to someone who will barely use them isn't a problem; we should be concerned only if they'll use them inproperly. 15000 solid edits tell me that he won't.--Scimitar parley 18:15, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) Support - he has made a very solid contribution to Wiki and it appears that admin powers will only assist him to continue to make a contribution. --D-bot 23:58, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) Michael Snow 20:20, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) Merovingian (t) (c) ( e ) 23:57, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 7) Support The answers to the first question are reasonable and show honesty and sincerity. Has a huge track record of solid contributions and whenever he breaks away from adding content to this Encyclopedia and performs some admin duties we'll be the better for it. Rx StrangeLove 00:37, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 8) Support. We're much better off having a careful and honest admin than someone who feels they have something to prove.  Bahn Mi 01:12, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 9) Support So what if this nominee isn't planning on hanging around WP:AfD. MONGO 01:22, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 10) Strong Support we need as many trusted, experienced users to be admins as possible, even if they don't use it much. If in his normal article editing, he sees something that needs an admin, he will already be there with the power --Rogerd 01:26, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 11) Strong support, with milk Dear god, we should be ashamed of ourselves, not having given this guy adminship before! Who cares if he spends hours vandalhunting, if he blocks one vandal a month, that's one user left the rest of you guys need to deal with. gkhan 01:50, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 12) On one hand, why give him admin privileges if he won't use them? On the other hand, why not? Andre ( talk ) 02:20, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 13) It's better to have a person that we trust being an admin just in case. We don't "need" vandal fighting admins (though it is a great help) but that's not all adminship is about. The spirit of adminship (IMO) is that the community trusts you enough to give you extra power to help deal with situations that might require them. Hell, the more admins we can trust, the better. Sasquatch  t|c 03:19, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 14) Support. I do symphatize with his position on the use of admin powers. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ | Esperanza 03:31, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 15) Support Better to underuse admin powers than to abuse them. Borisblue 06:55, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 16) Support. User has over 15,000 edits and the only complaints, as I far as I can see, are that he feels like he can make most of his contributions to Wikipedia without additional powers, which I feel that most users should be able to do. If the User finds his admin powers useful when dealing with vandalism on some of the many articles on which he works, then it is in the best interest of Wikipedia to give him the extra powers, even if he is not required to use them often.--Kewp (t) 10:20, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 17) Can definitely be trusted with admin-tools. Shanes 14:09, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 18) Support - It is amazing to see that we have a number of volunteer administrators who essentially work "full time" on this project. Sometimes it is nice to have more administrators who can dedicate that sort of time and energy to the project. However, we have to remember that we are primarily promoting users who are trustworthy, who can be ambassadors for the community, and who can help out whenever they can at their leisure. 17,000 edits is a tremendous amount of dedication to the project. This user is a thoroughly competent and trustworthy Wikipedian, and there is no reason to suspect that any of the administrative functions if given would be misused. This is a user who is exceptionally observant, and would clean up after the dangling ends we may occasionally miss or forget sometimes. For example, it could be things like adding missing protection tags to pages, deleting unsourced pictures, fixing page histories, and processing requested moves. --HappyCamper 14:41, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 19) Support Seems like a very reasonable candidate, I'm not concerned about not using admin powers often. Tuf-Kat 17:10, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 20) Support. Obviously. If he only seldomly blocks and protects, then so what? As already said, better underused than abused. He is trustworthy, period. Voice of All  @ ''' 17:38, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 21) Support, though please do keep in mind what Mendel said in his vote. While normally I'm not likely to support users with few WP: namespace edits, his edit count is impressive, and being active here for 17 months and >17000 edits shows tremendous dedication to this project. --Idont Havaname 18:12, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 22) Support; good lord. Not doing a ton with the tools doesn't mean that they don't deserve them.   Ral  315   WS  21:49, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 23) Support. If six oppose voters haven't yet managed to come up with a good reason for opposing, it's safe to say there isn't one. Christopher Parham (talk) 22:22, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 24) Support Per IRC cabal --Ryan Delaney talk 08:42, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 25) Support. KHM03 10:08, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 26) Fir  e  Fo  x  13:07, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 27) Support although I don't know 'em. V  /  M  19:40, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 28) Support. No convincing reason was given to oppose. Admins have access to some tools, they are not obligated to use them. Let's see if there are any good reasons to support..., plenty of good work, has demonstrated trustworthiness and has a great amount of experience. Sjakkalle (Check!)  12:41, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 29) Support, thought he already was one and I want to cancel out one of the oppose votes. the wub  "?!"  13:22, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 30) Support, per Chris Parham, Sjakkalle and Happy's comments. I am particularly mystified by suggestions that his recent break should in any way be counted against him—the guy has made 17,000 non-harmful edits, and in my book he's perfectly entitled to take a break for personal reasons momentarily. The only possible area of concern is his extremely limited participation in the WP namespace, involvement in which often indicates interest and familiarity with the workings of WP and related policy matters which are important for admins. However his positive attributes and obvious good sense convince me that he'll spend the necessary time to learn up these things before employing any new buttons he might receive. enceph  alon  19:52, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 31) Support - the desire not to use the admin powers once gained doesn't bother me, after all adminship is not supposed to be a big deal -- Francs2000 [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px| ]] 21:21, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 32) Support. I didn't express interest in using admin powers much either in my RfA, but ended up using them rather extensively. We need all the help we can get, and if the powers are used seldom, nothing was lost. El_C 21:43, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 33) Support. I actually thought Sfoskett was an admin from when I first came here, but now that I've seen that he isn't a mod and has made a large number of edits, I support him. --ApolloBoy 23:56, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 34) Support --Kefalonia 08:09, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 35) Support. Using the admin tools appropriately once in a while is better than not at all, right?  Friday (talk) 15:58, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 36) Support. He deserves the tools whether he uses them as much as others or not. -- DS1953 talk 16:51, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 37) Support Johann Wolfgang 17:59, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 38) Support.  Grue  13:54, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 39) Support Just because someone won't be a terribly active admin doesn't mean they shouldn't have the powers. It's not a zero-sum game.  Giving more people more tools to make this place better can only make this place better, even if those tools aren't used all that often by a particular person.  There is no harm in less-active admins.  Tedernst 18:46, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 40) Support - using them occasionally is enough. --Cel e stianpower háblame 19:14, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Oppose per Durin's comments. Plus, I dont think that I can support someone who isnt necessarily desirious of sysop powers; we need more active admins. You can decline the nomination until you feel you are ready.  Or an   e   (t)  (c)   (@)  16:57, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose, sorry I've changed my vote. I guess I didn't read clearly since I just saw "I accept this nomination, somewhat reluctantly. I did not seek admin rights, and will not use them much, but would appreciate them.", we don't need admins that will barely use admin powers. Admins are needed to be active and stop trolls, vandals, etc.  Privat  e   Butcher  17:16, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your concerns and have responded here. Hall Monitor 17:37, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I think you would find that a large number of my historic edits are for reverting vandalism. However, I have not had much time for that in the last few months.  See below.  --SFoskett 20:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * PB, I'd rather have someone trusted to use admin powers doing so occasionally instead of not having them at all. Consider it this way - suppose you have $50,000 in the bank, and someone offers you a gift of cash, but it's only $50.  Do you turn it away because it's too little?  Even if Sfoskett makes minimal use of admin powers, any use he does make will surely benefit Wikipedia, so why deny him (and the rest of us) even a minimal benefit?  BD2412  talk 20:47, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) --Boothy443 | comhrá 21:04, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose based on the bizarre answer to question 1. freestylefrappe 22:16, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Bizarre? How so? It just seems modest and restrained to me. --Michael Snow 23:10, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree, seems like a perfectly reasonable answer. How is it bizarre? Rx StrangeLove 00:42, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It came off as a bad attempt at trying to appear moderate. If he doesnt want to be an admin, then he should withdraw. I've seen several rfas with the "i'm not gonna actually do anything so dont worry" statement. freestylefrappe 03:49, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose, no offense to the editor, but if you're not going to use the powers "much at all" then I don't see a point or a reason to give them to you at all. Good editor to be sure, but why should we bother here? It's like telling the coach of a basketball team that you'll play, but if the ball is passed to you, you might not shoot it. K1Bond007 22:35, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * He also suggests that he would actually revert quite a bit of vandalism, which is a perfectly sufficient reason to make him an administrator. To continue the analogy, people who hog all the shots aren't good teammates either; he might be looking to pass the ball to someone who has a better shot. Think John Stockton. --Michael Snow 23:10, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * John Stockton didn't pass all the time, he stepped up and took the shot quite often. He was a team player. Theres a difference between assisting and not doing anything at all. He blatantly states "I do not see myself using any administrative priviliges much at all. I did not seek admin rights, and am ambivalent about having them." So why should we bother to support this? He's a very good editor, but if you don't want to take on administrative duties then you shouldn't have administrative powers. We need active admins. That's the point here. K1Bond007 23:32, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Administrative duties? What are those, aside from not misusing administrative privileges if you're going to use them? I'm not aware of any requirement that admins be "active" as such. --Michael Snow 23:51, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rephrase to 'sysop chore' per the question below. I'm sorry. I'm not going to debate this much further so long as his answers go unchanged. We all have differing criteria. One of mine is that they will be active with 'sysop chores'. K1Bond007 00:53, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Respectful oppose. Awesome contributor, but why force adminship on someone more interested in making the encyclopedia better than defending it from vandals and such? - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 10:30, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * So he could make Wikipedia even better? --ApolloBoy 23:56, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The admin tools are for fighting vandalism and intervening in disruptive behavior. They don't make it any easier to make the encyclopedia better, just protect it from the entropic forces that tend to make it worse. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 05:04, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Neutral
 * 1) On one hand I'm not sure that a less-active admin wouldn't still improve Wikipedia, but I'd be concerned that without actively adminning it would be easy to miss out on best practices and policy refinements. — mendel ☎ 20:48, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Comments
 * Please use edit summaries more often. Only 56% use over last 5000 edits. --Durin 16:29, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * You're correct, I tend to skip comments for minor edits, even though this is sheer laziness! --SFoskett 20:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Since August 24 of this year, your contributions have virtually collapsed. Your average # of edits per day over the period from then to now is just 2.6 edits per day, with just 153 edits over the last 2 months. I'm not saying this is a reason to oppose (this is not a vote, but a comment). I'd like to see your explanation for this. --Durin 16:35, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I have had some personal/life commitments push Wikipedia to the back burner lately. I intend to continue contributing long term.  --SFoskett 20:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * How does this edit summary % work? Does that include minor(m) edits? What about edits to one's user page? Does it include edits to talk pages, where the person will have to open and read them anyway? Articles, off course, changes need summaries, as that he highly useful, but I don't know what the 56 includes. This could be editcountitis :). Voice of All  @ ''' 20:11, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The edit summary simply totals the number of edits for which there are edit summaries and divides by the number of total edits made by the editor to arrive at a percentage of total edits for which there are edit summaries. It includes edits marked as minor. It includes edits to one's own user pages. It includes edits to talk pages. Edit summaries are a useful tool in vandal fighting and editing in general. It is, in my opinion, important to include them for all edits, even minor ones. Please see this diff for further rationale. Note that there are possible dopplegangers of Sfoskett. Please see Edit summary as well. --Durin 20:29, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Please see Requests for adminship/Thames for some precedent on the "lazy admin". Circumstances are different though, so I'm not going to vote support on this one . Borisblue 06:40, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
 * 1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? (Please read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.)
 * A. I do not see myself using any administrative priviliges much at all. I did not seek admin rights, and am ambivalent about having them.  The only reason I would accept these rights at all is so I could deal with vandals more effectively than my current route or reporting them and hoping for the best.  I would also appreciate the reversion ability, since that is something I do a lot of in the auto articles.
 * Update - I feel I must add to this answer. No, I do not anticipate becoming a troll/vandal hunter or spending hours reverting vandalism.  I am a contributor more than an editor - I have written well over 100 full articles (and far more stubs) and expect to continue to do so.  I was inclined to decline the nomination at first, but felt better of it and decided that it would be nice to have the admin powers to use occasionally.  If people only want to give adminship to people who will be active admins, then by all means oppose.  But if you want to help me be a more effective contributor then support.  I will continue to write articles either way.

 * 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
 * A. I am most pleased with my contributions to the articles about Ferrari cars, and Template:Ferrari vehicles in particular. Also, Mazda, Cadillac, and the British Leyland marques (see Template:British Leyland).  I have also done a large amount of work on automobile engines, including creating most of the articles in Category:Automobile engines.  Other contributions that I love include List of automotive superlatives, John Hancock Tower, and Old 97's.  All of these are examples of interesting topics that were not adequately covered before, or even covered at all as in the case of the engines.

 * 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
 * A. I have been involved in a number of conflicts, including contentious ones as List of automotive superlatives and Hummer H2/Hummer. Throughout these, I attempted to maintain calm and rationality, however hard it may be.  I feel that by keeping our eyes on the prize, so to speak, of creating an encyclopedic work, we can diffuse tense situations through reasonable discussion and democracy.

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page.

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Talk:Sara Evans

Commercial Appearances
Is it worth mentioning in the article Sara's appearances in both TV and radio commercials for Coca-Cola? I believe the commercials aired in 2004, but I'm not 100% sure; the only reason I even remember this at all is because I'm related to her. Because of that, I think this falls in the "original research" category, but is it even a big enough deal to put in even with cited sources? I wanted to put something in about it, but at the same time I don't want to break any rules... Lycanthrope777 20:44, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Controversy section
Last paragraph.

If someone could sufficiently explain what exactly, does the amount of controversy generated by a divorce--or any other personal event have to do with whatever political party one happens to support?

The notation that ought to link to some kind of source links to the bottom of the page--a constant problem with wikipedia I realize, but it screams POV.

Sara Fox News
Sara Evans was on Fox News on 12 October 2005, Wednesday. They showed one of her recent videos and Sara was given a short interview by Hannity and Colmes. It was good.

Added the fact that she performed at the 2004 GOP convention : reference Dallas News http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/090906dntexdelay.7c9648e0.html

She is a real nice american!

Singles
The two sections under Singles are redundant. The second part is at least in chronological order. Backspace 23:03, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

COALMINE or MISSING MISSOURI???
Ok, so which single is coming out? I heard on CMT that Coalmine was the next single and I have yet to hear it on the radio, but in the past couple of weeks, I've heard "Missing Missouri" a dozen times and I've yet to hear "Coalmine". Also, I've heard Coalmine on the net and I have definately not heard it on the radio.

Thanks, Faris,

 * I've heard "Coalmine" on the radio and the DJ said it was the new single. I have only heard "Missing Missouri" off the CD, never on the radio here. Lord Bodak 20:35, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I readded Missing Missouri as I know for a fact that it was played, at least in my area in the radio. Please do not remove it again. Faris b 19:53, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

That doesn't make it a single. St. Louis country radio has been playing it for a while now. That said, I have heard that it might be the next single. Either that or "New Hometown." We can leave it as it is until anything is confirmed. Camcallister 21:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, then. But I have seen other singer pages with soon to be singles listed, the Faith Hill page has one more listed after "Sunshine & Summertime" as do the LeAnn Rimes and Tim McGraw pages. I think it should just be left on there or at least a special note put somewhere that it was played by the St. Louis stations since about April I believe. Faris b 18:24, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

"Stealing Kisses" is listed on Faith Hill's page because she confirmed that it would be a single with a music video at the CMT Video Music Awards. LeAnn Rimes released "Strong" in Germany and has confirmed to be releasing "Everybody's Someone" in October in the UK and Ireland. The difference is that this hasn't been confirmed yet. Radio stations will play songs that haven't been released as singles especially if they are novelty songs in the area, such as "Missing Missouri" in Missouri. Camcallister 14:35, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, but doesn't the fact that "Coalmine" was NOT released for around here (for me that is) signify in some way that they have switched those 2 songs around? I'm assuming if and when "Missing Missouri" becomes a national single as opposed to a regional one for the time being that we will get "Coalmine" released. Yeah, I know there is pretty much no fact in this but wouldn't it make sence? I never heard Coalmine except online and such, never on the radio so that is the basis of my assumptions that they have switched them around. Faris b 18:50, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

"Coalmine" was released there. It was released everywhere. It was the official third single from the album. Your radio station just didn't pick it up. I don't think mine did either. "Missing Missouri" on the other hand, was not even released to radio. Your radio station just started playing it from the CD. This happens frequently, but it doesn't mean it was a single. Carrie Underwood's "Before He Cheats" hasn't been released as a single yet, but it's garnered enough airplay to chart on the Billboard Country chart for 17 or 18 weeks now. "Missing Missouri" has not been released as a single. Camcallister 22:12, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but I missed that message you posted on my watchlist and just decided to check today. Ok, whatever. I believe you. But the in the event it does not become a single can you think of some sort of way to denote that it was released in the St. Louis area or something like that? Faris b 04:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Coalmine didn't do good?
What was wrong with "Coalmine" that it was stated on this page that it didn't do good? I liked it. Or is it just because of that coalmine accident in West Virginia a few months before?

--Faris b 18:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

It got hardly any radio play. A peak in the low 30s doesn't really mean it's a big hit. Camcallister 19:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, then that's not fair. Why wasn't it played often? You're lucky, it never got played around here.

--Faris b 20:22, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I wish it had gotten played more too. It was a good song, radio just never took hold of it. I never heard it on the radio here either. Camcallister 15:17, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Two reasons most frequently cited are: 1) Listeners thought it was too bluegrass (Go figure) and 2) they felt it was too sexual since it was basically about a wife waiting naked for her husband to hurry up and get home so they could have sex by the light on his miner's helmet. Personally I think it's one of her best songs ever - but no one consulted me. Sharpvisual 11:39, 10 Aug 2006 (CDT)

Photo
Ok, I hope this doesn't become a huge issue but I changed the photo back to the old one.

This one just doesn't seem right to me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sara_Evans_13.jpg

So I changed it back to the older one. The reason being is that she has curly hair in that pic and she normally doesn't so I think it's better to stick with a current/more recognizable one.

If anyone wants to put the other one back, can they give a reason why that one is better?

Personally, I like the current one or this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sara-albumcovercutout.gif

--Faris b 05:49, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

From my area
I have visited the town where Sara was born and raised. It is located approximately 1.5 hours from my house. I am also a country music fan and would be interested in helping out with this article. --Genius00345 01:10, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean boonville like the article says or new franklin? I used to work with her in Columbia Mo before she became famous and seem to remember she was from New Franklin.Once she asked if anyone wanted to go out to the farm to pick tobacco for extra money and I think the farm was in New franklin. Were did the boonville info come from?

WE NEED A PIC!
Doesn't she have any promo photos or ANYTHING we can use? What about an album cover? This is getting out of hand, every week, 1 or 2 people are either trying to get the image codes right to post one or they post one that's unsourced.

Anyone know of any pics that we can actually use?

Faris b 05:44, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Well, we certainly can't use an album cover solely to depict Sara Evans. That would be a violation of the image's license.  --Yamla 16:08, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Then what do you suggest? What is her problem? Why not give a publicity photo or 2? I have never seen another artist who refuses to do it.

Why can't we just say to hell with copyright info because of the need for a pic, it's not like there are pics that are available out there and the fact that she's notable and that too many anonymous users are trying to add one signifies that one's needed.

Faris b 18:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

 * We can't say to hell with copyright info because that opens Wikipedia up to being sued. We certainly can use a promotional image, though, with the right rationale.  --Yamla 18:30, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I added one promotional pic from the "Real Fine Place" cd on here. -- Dustind

 * Yes, in blatant violation of the image's license and without a detailed fair-use rationale. That image is marked for deletion.  --Yamla 15:19, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I've already tried adding that pic and it was deleted and this one will be as well. And nobody answered so I'll ask again, why does she NOT have any publicity photos??

Faris b 19:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I strongly expect that she does have promotional images, we just can't find any. --Yamla 19:33, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I have a friend who attended dozens of Sara Evans shows and I've just emailed him to ask if he'd make a few of his pics available here for the wikipedia article. I suspect he won't have a problem with that. --Renrenren 03:44, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that would be ok, one can use pics they've taken themselves and release them to the public domain but you can't use pics already posted on other sites because of copyright issues.

Faris b 17:20, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Lots of pictures on her myspace page http://www.myspace.com/saraevansmusic 80.203.36.173 19:48, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Missing Missouri a single after all?
So, I guess I was right! It WILL be a single after all. Faris b 04:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, that's still up in the air. Right now, "Missing Missouri" is charting only because a couple stations are playing it as an album cut (most likely stations in Missouri). There's still the possibility that the album cut play could start to snowball -- in other words, if more stations start to play it enough, it could end up getting released as a single. This is exactly what happened with "Beer For My Horses" by Toby Keith and Willie Nelson. It first charted as an album cut while Toby's "Rock You Baby" was climbing the charts, but eventually, "Beer" was getting so much airplay as an album cut that his label went ahead and released it (and as a result, "Rock You Baby" began a freefall from its #13 peak). I don't think that "You'll Always Be My Baby" is going to freefall, but given "Missing Missouri"'s success as an album cut so far, it could be the follow-up. TenPoundHammer 03:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Singles
I think that the singles should be all in one list on the main page, instead of her Top 25 hits being on one page and her lower hits being on the Discography page. It's just easier that way -- plus, just about every other artist page on Wikipedia is set up that way. TenPoundHammer 02:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I have just gone back and taken all of her singles off the Discography page, and moved them to the main page. As I stated above, just about every artist on Wikipedia has all of their singles listed on the main page, so for the sake of consistency, I have placed all of Sara's singles to date on her page. This also allows others to view how each single has done on the charts (for instance, "Coalmine", mentioned above). Please, nobody revert this change. Yes, I realize that she's had several singles, but it's not the longest of lists - compare it to, say, Garth Brooks' list of singles. TenPoundHammer 02:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

As If
Some of the information on the song "As If", I don't feel, should have been posted on here, as it has been taken from her fan club, and thus, was only supposed to be for fan club memebers, not the public. —Preceding unsigned comment added by happychick13 (talk • contribs)

 * Artists post stuff on their fan club sites all the time. That information is not meant to be for the members only.  It gets out and published all over.  Wikipedia is no different.  There is nothing wrong in my opinion with the info that was posted.  My only concern would be if it belongs in an encyclopeadic context.  --Renrenren 18:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, it is only for fan club members - Otherwise, why isn't it posted in the free area of her site then? I just think that it's wrong to post her comments about the song, and that kind of stuff, because she posted those comments for the fan club members, not for the public otherwise she would have realsed a statement then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by happychick13 (talk • contribs)

 * THat is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Unfortunately, stuff that happens in fanclubs does not STAY in fanclubs.  Info gets released all the time, even if it is on an unofficial basis.  Fanclubs are mostly there for merchandise and ticket sales and are not always used by artists to communicate with their fans.  Although I hear that Sara does keep in touch through the FC.  --Renrenren 00:15, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Sara Evans' Controversy
I have included facts from the latest news story that cited Sara Evans as having almost a dozen affairs including Richard Marx, Kenny Chesney, Tony Dovolani, and the members of the rock group Three Doors Down. This edit is in no way a defamation of character to Evans; it was just a newsworthy fact that needed to be added to the article. The edit was cited and linked appropriately. --Candy156sweet 18:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I have changed it slightly, as Three Doors Down has commented on it, and stated that the allegations are unture. (HowIFeel 09:27, 15 September 2007 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Happychick13 (talk • contribs)

 * I cited your work and made some slight copy editing to the piece. I hope that you don't mind.  Take care and have a fantastic weekend....  --Candy156sweet 17:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

That's fine, thanks for changing it to fit the article better! :) (HowIFeel 10:32, 17 September 2007 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Happychick13 (talk • contribs)

Attempt at major overhaul
I'm new to the talk page. Until today, I didn't know there was one!

I wanted to let everyone know that I have spent this entire summer working on a complete revision of this article. I'd like to go into all my reasons for doing it, but it'd take too long. I finished the project today, and this was my first time coming back to the page since about the second week in May.

It scares me a little that there are so many flags on the current article, especially the one about the "2005-present" section being too long (when I know it's shorter than it was a few months ago!). Wait till they see my "2000-2004" section -- all 13 paragraphs! (Heck, the articles on game shows like Pyramid and Family Feud have an astounding amount of detail. Three paragraphs on changes in the color of the set in the 1970's?  Where are the flags on that?)

I do understand the flag about improving the quality; not to brag, but that would be accomplished for sure! That was my main objective. I wrote my revision in the style of a newspaper or magazine story, so overall, it would be about 8-10 times longer than it is now, and yes, there would be verifiability issues with some statements. Or is the length not really an issue so long as things are broken down into more sections, maybe?

I guess what I'm asking is, now that I've done all this writing, what do I do with it? I need to share it with someone!

Cresty 01:59, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

 * The idea is not to completely rewrite an article but to improve upon it. Take some of what you've written and start putting it in one section at a time... allow some time for people to read over it and to improve upon it as well.  This is a collaborative effort.  The last thing one would want is for the article to be completely replaced with what you have written as that would show little respect for those who have contributed thus far.  --Renrenren 02:45, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

A recommended Change. - Go view the "Born to Fly" video. The watch one or all of 3 proceeding videos - "No Place That Far", "Fool, I'm a Woman" and "That's the Beat of a Heart". Then note the birth date of here first child's - Avery Jack (born August 21, 1999)- I don't know the filming date for the videos - but her appearance in "Born to Fly"  is liek lot of time in a gym and or a personal trainer (then add in the first child). Unsure appropriateness of this fact on main page, or where or how to work it i. Wfoj2 (talk) 17:36, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Fixing Sources (references)
The number one problem is the scattered incorrect manner that sources were cited in this article. I'm going to go through the article and fix them appropriately. There are many facts within this article that still need to be cited, and I hope that others will take part to fix that problem. Some of the linked sources do not exist on the net anymore, and other sources should be sought out to support the text in the article. There is a great deal of grammar checking that needs to be done as well. I think that the discography should be included in the article. There is no excuse for it not being there. --Candy156sweet 19:50, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Tidying up
I went through the article and cleaned up some of the sections. I cited and removed duplicate information, replaced facts in the appropriate section on the page, and did some grammar correction. I wanted to make sure that I mentioned this to remove any confusion about this work. --Candy156sweet 21:46, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Cleaned Up Article
I organized the biography, adding and moving sentences and putting them into appropriately-made paragraphs, so the article is more organized. For the controversy and personal section, I got rid of the bullets, so it didn't look like a trivia section, and put it into paragraphs, so it is more organized. I removed my grammatical mistakes. I got rid of the tag on top of the page, being I think I organized the biography appropriately, and also got rid of the tag about the references, being there are 16 references there, that should be plenty for this sized article. - Dottiewest1fan 21:43, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Separate part for Television stuff?
Hi I was wondering if we should have a separate part on this page for the stuff Sara does on TV. She often goes on different programs (Like reality shows) so maybe it could be something to add so it's easier to read or something? (HowIFeel 09:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Happychick13 (talk • contribs)

I think it sounds like a good idea CloversMallRat (talk) 15:00, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Full name
According to this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brNrK-MobHo 2:00 onwards her full name is Sara Evans-Barker. Can someone verify that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.128.222.74 (talk) 20:23, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Her name is Sara Evans, althought she married Jay Barker. As far as stage name n all goes, she is still just Sara Evans whether or not she added his last name to hers. Not needed. CloversMallRat (talk) 20:33, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Not needed?
 * If someone's legal name changes, or someone adopts another name regardless of the circumstances, then that belongs here.
 * It is not something to be dismissive about.
 * Varlaam (talk) 20:36, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Her accent
The "A Little Bit Stronger" video displays two diametrically opposed accents.

What does she actually sound like? Varlaam (talk) 20:41, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Would you care to explain a little bit? This is my favorite song and Sara Evans is my favorite artist, and I've never heard anyone suggest that its being sung with two different accents. I'm curious as to what you mean. CloversMallRat (talk) 13:29, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

 * I'm Ontarian. So Shania, from Timmins, Ont., talks like me.
 * But Shania has never to my knowledge sung in anything remotely like a Canadian accent. She adopts a "country music accent" where she stops saying "out" the way I do.
 * Back to our Sara. In the video for that song, her character (herself?) speaks more than once in the US accent that is most like the most common Cdn accent (which used to be called Heartland in Cdn linguistics). I don't know what the US term for that particular accent is.
 * Then when she sings the actual song, she uses her regular accent that we've known from CD for years.
 * So, what, if anything, is real here? Is the non-singing video character an adopted accent? Or is that how she really speaks?
 * I had an Illinois accent as a boy 50 years ago. I'm expecting to hear something different from Sara if she's a Missouri girl.
 * I happened to be at the Toronto Film Festival last weekend, and Jason Statham, the Transporter, was there, having his photo taken with fans.
 * His accent, speaking to fans, seemed identical to what we hear in the movies.
 * So I was wondering, what is the situation here with the lovely Sara.
 * Varlaam (talk) 20:52, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Per the note in the header, above—This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.—this is a venue to talk about article content, and not for fans to discuss the article subject (except as it relates to settling content-related issues). 50.179.245.225 (talk) 20:19, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Because BLP, strong statement with broken link, questionable title redacted, until...
…the strong statement can be accurately sourced.

The following text regarding refutation of a divorce claim is based on a citation with the seeming unrelated title "Joe Nichols Marries by Candlelight..."; more troubling is the fact that the strong text content was declared a dead link three years ago, and its content has not been and cannot be verified. For these reasons, the statement and reference were moved here to Talk, to allow interested editors to substantiate the content (and if so, return it to the article). As a BLP (both with respect to the article subject, and her spouse), unsubstantiated and unverifiable material cannot remain in place for years. Here is the redacted text:
 * "and Kirt Webster, a spokesman for the rock band 3 Doors Down, stated that the accusations are "ludicrous" and "untrue" and that the band members "are saddened by what she's going through".

Here is the redacted source, minus the ref…/ref apparatus:

Leprof 7272 (talk) 17:27, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Edit to Divorce paragraph
I went to this article to understand a recent report of a settled lawsuit in Schelske v Hollins, and found the article section on the divorce incomplete, and with limited clear content regarding the claims and counterclaims of the legal action.

I therefore made the following editorial changes: This of course can use further attention, but these are the facts as far as I can see them in published sources. All information is verifiable, though, as this is from the celebrity genre of journalism (since secondary sources, and not primary legal sources, are desired by Wikipedia), there is always room for further careful scrutiny. Note I have no relationship or fealty to either party, but am simply trying to relate, with balance, the published information that appears on the subject (where the Schelske v Hollins matter, in particular, was unreported here). Leprof 7272 (talk) 20:13, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * added the missing "temporary" to text appearances of Evans' requested temporary restraining orders, and the one listed was increased to two (since at least two are documented), and a sentence was added indicating that the final (post-temporary) outcome of these legal matters were unclear from published reports;
 * expanded and so balanced the claims and counter claims from reports of both claimants' divorce filings;
 * stated the multiple, but reduced the seemingly prurient list of the infidelities that Evans was accused to a single one, the one where there was further report of a response by the named individual (Chesney); other cases are simply unsubstantiated disparagements of other living persons character, and with a nod to BLP, I suggest that there is no need to list them all just because they are celebrity names with Wikipedia articles (esp. without research into their possible published responses); and
 * added text and citations regarding the Schelske-Hollins lawsuit and its outcome (financial settlement and apology).

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Question
I think the Commons directory for Sara Evans contains images of two different women. Geo Swan (talk) 17:48, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

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Tailwhip

The tailwhip is a bike trick typically performed on a BMX, in which the frame of the bike performs a complete rotation around the front end (bars and forks), which remains stationary throughout the move. The same trick may also be performed on a kick scooter.

To do the trick there are a few main methods: these both include whipping the bike around using your arms in a gyrating motion whilst holding the bars, but some riders also kick the bike with their back foot to give it extra momentum. It also helps if you approach a jump crooked, which will throw the bike from under, allowing you to start a tailwhip.

Variations

 * Footplant tailwhip: Combination of footplant and tailwhip on any obstacle. The rider rides up to any obstacle that is capable of having a footplant done on it.  The rider then whips the frame as he would normally with a tailwhip, but instead of keeping his legs sucked into his body, he puts one foot down in a footplant.  The rider then waits for the frame to come a little past 180 degrees before he hops out of a footplant and prepares for the frame to complete its rotation before putting his feet on the pedals and riding away slowly.
 * Footjam tailwhip: The rider puts their foot on the front tire and pedal, while leaning forward, enabling the frame to spin around. This is the original tailwhip variation as invented by Brian Blyther in the early 1980s.
 * Tailwhip air: The rider performs a tailwhip while 'airing'. The trick is usually done on a quarter pipe, over a box jump, and over dirt jumps. The trick was invented in the 1980s.
 * Heelwhip: The rider performs the tailwhip his unnatural direction. Pulling tricks your unnatural direction is as hard as throwing a baseball with your opposite hand. Allan Cooke was the first known rider to pull the trick in 2001. Josh Hult and Brandon Dosch are both known to have pulled opposite double-whips.
 * Superman tailwhip: The rider does a tailwhip as he normally would, but the rider then extends his legs straight out (like he would do when doing a superman) when the frame is about 180 degrees around the rotation. The rider then sucks his legs back in and waits for the frame to come back around, then finds his/her pedals and lands.  This is an advanced variation, only to be attempted when the basic form of a tailwhip is thoroughly mastered.
 * Double/Triple/Quadruple Tailwhip: The rider instead of only allowing the tail of the bike to rotate around once they use more force to spin it twice/three/four times. The triple tailwhip was first landed by Joe Johnson. Others who have landed it are James Foster, Dave Mirra, Cameron White, Dennis Enarson, Nicholi Rogatkin, Mike Spinner, Daniel Dhers, Scotty Cranmer, Brandon Dosch, Brett Banasiewicz, and many more. Francisco Zurita was the first to pull a triple whip on the Vert ramp. And the quadruple is incredibly rare. First landed by Mike Spinner at the Dew Tour in Cleveland in 2008. Andy Buckworth, Nicholi Rogatkin, and Logan Martin have also pulled the trick.
 * 360 Tailwhip: The rider spins in a 360 degree circle while the tail of the bike rotates in a tailwhip. The origination of this maneuver is widely disputed (bmx plus ran photos of the trick being pulled in 1992. Americans recognize Brian Vowell as the first to pull the trick to the pedals over a set of doubles. Dave Osato was the first one ever to pull 360 Tailwhips in both directions. Mike Laird pulled the 360 double tailwhip at the 2005 Dew Tour in Denver. Mike Spinner was the first to pull the 360 Triple Tailwhip at Dave Mirra's personal warehouse ramps in 2006, and the first with a quad in competition in Cleveland in 2008.
 * 540 Tailwhip: The rider spins a 540 degree rotation while doing a tailwhip in the middle of the trick. It has been pulled by Chad Kagy, Kevin Robinson, Jamie Bestwick, Mike Spinner, and many others. Vince Byron was the first one to pull a double tailwhip 540.
 * 720 Tailwhip: The 720-whip is a rare feat. The rider does a 180, then does the tailwhip, before catching it and rotating the extra 540 degrees. The first one to have pulled it was Mike Spinner in 2006. Spinner has also pulled 720 Double tailwhips before. Kyle Baldock also landed a 720 double-whip at the 2016 X Games.
 * Backflip tailwhip:The rider first performs a back flip and in the middle of it throws a tailwhip (still upside down) and catches the tailwhip while pulling out of the back flip. First attempted by Mat Hoffman in 1993 and landed in 2001 by Adam Strieby, this maneuver is common among today's pro class. There are also Backflip double tailwhips done by many riders. The first one who pulled this was Scotty Cranmer in 2004. Joey Marks pulled the world's first double-whip backflip in competition at the Gravity Games in 2005. The backflip double-whip is called a “Helicopter” The world's first backflip triple whip was landed by Jaie Toohey at the Nitro Circus in 2011, and Kurtis Downs nailed the first ever quadruple tailwhip backflip at the Nitro World Games in 2016. In 2013, Jed Mildon pulled a double backflip tailwhip at Nitro Circus in Wellington, New Zealand. The double backflip tailwhip was also landed a few times at the Nitro World Games.
 * Front Flip tailwhip: The rider first performs a front flip and in the middle of it throws a tailwhip (still upside down) and catches the tailwhip while pulling out of the front flip. Ryan Guettler tried the trick one time in 2005 and failed. The trick was landed by Scotty Cranmer at the Salt Lake City Dew Tour in 2007. The trick has also been done by riders like T.J. Ellis and Logan Martin.
 * Flair tailwhip: The rider does a tailwhip while performing a Flair (backflip with a 180 twist at the end). The trick is usually seen on the Vert ramp, but also has been landed in numerous park competitions. Jamie Bestwick was the first one to pull a downside tailwhip flair at the 2003 X Games. 2 years later, he performed a double downside-whip flair. Dave Mirra has pulled the regular tailwhip flair on Vert, along with Vince Byron, and many others. The flair whip has been done in Park by many people. The double tailwhip flair has also been pulled before.
 * Downside Tailwhip: The rider basically spins one direction while doing a tailwhip in the opposite direction of the spin. The rider can either do a regular spin with a switch/opposite tailwhip, or a switch/opposite spin with a regular tailwhip. This trick is commonly done on hips as it is easy for the transition into the position. The trick was originally called a "Boomerang air".
 * Whiplash: This is similar to a footjam tailwhip. However, the rider goes into a hang five position and gradually pulls his non-dominant leg up and over the frame, allowing the bike to rotate all around in the opposite spinning direction.
 * Flat tailwhip: A bunnyhop tailwhip performed on flat land, without the aid of a ramp. Invented by Bill Nitchske - The name derives from the Burger King Hamburger of the same name. The trick was first pulled on the parking lot of Nitchske's local Burger King joint.
 * Flatspin tailwhip: The flat-whip is a trick that is very rarely seen. The rider does a flatspin 540 degree rotation while he does the tailwhip in the middle of the flatspin. The trick is regularly done by Chad Kagy, who debuted the trick at the X Games in 2005. The next year, Kagy pulled a double tailwhip flatspin 540 during the Best Trick event. Kagy finished second, behind Kevin Robinson, who pulled one of the most dangerous tricks in the BMX world, a Double Flair.
 * Windshield Wiper/360 Windshield Wiper: The rider spins a tailwhip and, while still in the air, spins another tailwhip back the other way. Matt Sparks was the first rider to do it on a BMX bike in 2006, calling it a Windshield Wiper. A 360 windshield wiper is when the rider spins a 360 degree rotation while doing a windshield wiper at the same time. James foster did it in 2008 at the Jomopro contest in Joplin, MO. Foster also landed it in the fifth Cameron White Annual Dirt Jam. The trick has also been pulled by Kyle Baldock, Alessandro Barbero, among others. Baldock landed a 360 windshield wiper to late tailwhip at the 2011 Salt Lake City Dew Tour. At the Dew Tour in Orlando, FL in 2009, T.J. Ellis pulled the world's first Windshield Wiper Backflip.
 * Fingerwhip: The rider spins the frame with one hand while holding the handlebar with the other, instead of whipping the frame around with both hands on the bar.
 * One-Handed Tailwhip: The rider does a normal tailwhip in the air, and, as the frame is 1/2 way through the rotation, the rider lets go one of his hands and catches the bar while hopping back on the pedals before he lands.

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The result of the debate was Delete Ryan Norton T 20:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

King of Scarecrows
Unverifiable hoaxiness. No relevant Google hits on "King of Scarecrows" or "Theodore Mugswallop" (I gave up after that). Created by User:King of Scarecrows so could be userfied, I suppose. I vote BJAODN.Tonywalton | Talk 21:10, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I think this should be moved to his userpage. Pur e blade | Word 21:28, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment User:King of Scarecrows is currently a redirect to the mainspace article King of Scarecrows. Tonywalton | Talk 21:30, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Dethrone and Delete as hoax. Dottore So 11:52, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete vanity/nutbar, the sort of shtick the belongs on a userpage for someone who works on their user page more than wikipedia... Pete.Hurd 05:24, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

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