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Talk:Riverdance

Cultural References?
This page really needs a "Cultural References" section. I mean, it's been parodied so many times, it's almost not even funny. Riverdanceman (talk) 03:03, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

While we're on the subject of "Cultural References", what the heck is an "interval act"? For that matter, what's an interval in this context? Ah...Great Britain and the United States: Two peoples divided by a common language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.109.15.55 (talk) 02:45, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * An interval at the Eurovision Song Contest between the competing songs and the voting, which is were Riverdance debuted. Also this is about Ireland not Great Britain-- occono (talk) 01:04, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

I may be wrong but...
Ehm, no offence but shouldn't this article contain information about the traditional Irish dance, since it is a "tiny bit" older than 1994 and since the band might be named after this dance? ... Or more precisely, why is the band/group/whatever on that site and why isn't there more info on the dance

it is a "tiny bit" older than 1994 - Is it? My understanding is that the original Riverdance act was created for the Eurovision interval act, with the rest coming later to make it a full length show.

It was created in late 1993 and early 1994, with initial recordings of the backing tracks in Spring 1994. the name "Riverdance" was not extant prior to then.194.46.181.201 (talk) 12:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Three rocks from the sun
There's a scene in this US sitcom, where the aliens exit the theatre after a performance of RD and do a jig on the sidewalk. Include under trivia. Surprised there's not more input on this article.--Shtove 20:19, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

DVD versions.
There appear to be several DVD versions - each flawed in their own way, usually related to editing. It might be useful to mention what DVDs are available, which version of the show they contain, and who the leads are.

Secondly, is there a (good) DVD with the Butler/Flatley show? All I can find is the Best Of, which has terrible editing and sync problems. 86.27.79.245 (talk) 23:11, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

The original recording of the show was released only on VHS and has never been reissued on DVD, although excerpts of it have appeared on the DVD "The Best of Riverdance"194.46.181.201 (talk) 12:24, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

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Brendan Whelan
Who is Brendan Whelan? The link directs to an economics professor! AKoan (talk) 17:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Wiki Links
I removed the hyperlinks to the touring companies. The page specifies that Riverdance has three companies on tour, each named after a river. In the context of this page, the river names are in fact names of the Riverdance troupes. The hyperlinks to the articles about the actual rivers are not appropriate on this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toshea1 (talk • contribs) 23:41, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup Required
I've placed the 'cleanup-reorganize' tag on the article as all of the information is under one heading that is 'History'. I will try and clean it up in to different sections but there may not be enough information to split it in to too many. I suggest we try and find some more information and references to make this article meet Wikipedia's quality standards. Kai Tatsu (talk) 08:51, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

 * I've also added a few other tags - the introduction to this article is too short and needs expansion, as well as the new 'Legacy' section, which lacks information and could be expanded. Kai Tatsu (talk) 09:07, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

"Timedance"
Riverdance has its roots in a three-part suite of baroque-influenced traditional music called "Timedance" composed, recorded and performed for the 1981 Eurovision Song Contest.

Riverdance is from the eurovision 1994 not 1981 Eurovision Song Contest unless "Timedance" is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tcla75 (talk • contribs) 01:55, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Riverdance DVDs
[I copied this section from my talk page. Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 13:16, 15 January 2017 (UTC)]

Hi Pdebee. I'd like to know, what are you sources for the content you added to the "Recordings" section of the Riverdance article? I'm a little confused by the DVD list as "Riverdance: Live in New York" and "Riverdance: The Show 2002" should be "Riverdance: Live From New York City" and "Riverdance: Live From Geneva" respectively, and the New York recording was from 1996 not 2002. By 2002, are you referring to the year the DVD was released? If so, you should be adding references because I can't find sources to back this up. Your list appears to be original research and is generally not acceptable on Wikipedia. Would you care to elaborate for me? Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 05:00, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Dear ,
 * Thank you for your helpful message. You're quite correct: I shouldn't have added some of the DVD releases until I was sure of the sources. What happened was: after adding the section for the CD (linked to the article I had just created for it), I thought it would be helpful to include a subsection for the DVD. Then, after looking at Amazon (mainly), I discovered the different DVD releases and, although I was somewhat confused by all the available releases, decided to list some of them as I found them there. I will work on this more later today but will add a template for now, which I will remove when done. Thank you for calling this out, and please accept my apologies for causing you unnecessary work.
 * With kind regards;
 * Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 10:24, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Dear , I have now added ref tags to the DVD entries, but only for those DVDs that were not already mentioned in the prose, since the latter are assumed to have been cited already. However, I could easily cite those as well, if required, or for consistency. Please note that I have had to rely on Amazon entries, due to the paucity of secondary sources (press reviews etc.) about these DVD releases. If Amazon is deemed unacceptable, then please remove any of these entries or just let me know and I'll do it myself. Just as an aside, I noticed that several of this article's other citations relied on riverdance.com, which seems like a primary source to me. Also, I thought YouTube was user-generated and therefore unacceptable for sourcing. So, if you wish to clean up those deviations as well, then please feel free to go ahead, as I am not particularly interested in stewarding this article. Thank you once again for your advice concerning the DVDs, though. With kind regards; Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 13:09, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Not at all clear what it is that you are citing. The Amazon cites look to me to be nothing more than free advertising for Amazon and that, I think, in not an appropriate use.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 13:30, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Dear ,
 * What I had hoped to achieve is simply prove the existence of all these DVDs and their release dates, as verifiable. However, if that now appears as mere advertisement for Amazon itself, which was never my intent, then I am absolutely fine about removing those DVDs of shows not already mentioned in the prose. Readers interested in Riverdance can find all those releases by themselves anyway, but I thought it would be nice to be more complete and show as many of them as possible. Thank you for your feedback. I am removing them now.
 * With kind regards;
 * Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 14:38, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 14:43, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Pdebee. I have re-added those DVD titles to the section because I believe they are accurate, but I have moved "The Show" to a VHS section as there are no available DVD copies of that issue. I don't think the number in the parenthesis needs to reflect the actual year of release, because while "Riverdance: A Journey" is available on DVD, it's not clear when it was actually released on that platform – there were no DVDs back in 1994 and the source you cited merely says "see the video". I too have gone through Amazon and E-bay listings of these DVDs and the "Best of Riverdance" and "Riverdance: The Collection" can be backed up by Amazon  regarding release dates, but "Riverdance: The Documentary 10 Years" can't i.e. both Amazon and E-bay list no year, making it the only dubious one.
 * Regarding the references in the article – I was the original editor who expanded the article back in 2015, so I was actually the one who added those references :/ Most of the YouTube links merely back up such performances, while the riverdance.com references were handy when dealing with the show's early timeline – there's nothing specifically wrong with primary sources, and there are a number of independent secondary sources as well. Overall, I appreciate your understanding and willingness to cooperate. I didn't mean to seem over protective of the article, although I do have a particular side interest in Riverdance. I think we have worked well together on this. All the best, DaHuzyBru (talk) 16:08, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Dear ,
 * Thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to apply all these improvements and share the details with me directly via the above post. I am sure your greater knowledge of the subject has been most helpful to my efforts, and I agree with you fully that, together, we have added value to this article for the benefit of our readers. I agree with all the excellent tweaks you've applied, and thank you for restoring my earlier entries and for improving on them. With regards to Riverdance: A Journey, there is a release date of '5th August 1996' in Riverdance 20 Years, 2014 Press Information PDF, but I didn't use that because the other source said '1994'; I am very happy to leave you to decide which date (and citation) to use, although the 1996 date seems stronger to me, on the basis that it comes from the press kit issued by the primary source. Also, a "journey" would have to last some time to warrant its own documentary and, therefore, 1994 seems a bit early in the life of Riverdance. In any case, it is clear that a 1994 recording would have been released on a VHS tape (and not on DVD), but there seems to be no way of knowing for sure, unless one has all of these separate products (cassettes, VHS tapes, CDs and DVDs) on hand. Unfortunately, the book Riverdance: The Phenomenon by Barra O'Cinnéide did not discuss either the music or the recordings in any great detail, which I think was a missed opportunity. Maybe, one day, a better researched book will emerge on that side of the project.
 * As for my earlier comment on the other references, it's only that I would never use YouTube as a source myself, and would also try very hard never to use primary sources either. In any case, very best wishes of success in all your projects here, and very many thanks once again for your great help.
 * With kind regards;
 * Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 17:16, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Publicity release—needs revision
This article is written in the breathless style of a publicity release. Most of it is a catalog of successful productions, casts, producers, theaters, many of which are not explained. It needs major revision to be acceptable as an encyclopedia article. In particular it should have more background and less excitement about personalities, few of whom are given a good reason for being mentioned. Zaslav (talk) 19:30, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

 * I assume you are referring to the quality of sections such as "Musicians" and "Recordings"? I don't disagree with removing those sections, but the history section is adequate is it not? I have contributed largely to the article and I have put a lot of work into the history section. The height of Riverdance is between February 1995 and March 1996. Everything after is relatively uneventful notability wise. Any stage show hits its peak and then goes about its routine of performing. There's only so much background and notable occurrences that can be documented. Events such as the 2003 Special Olympics and even the 2013 longest line that you added to the "Legacy" section are sparing. Nothing about Riverdance nowadays is particularly noteworthy. What would you have done to the article? Riverdance is fairly niche – not many people are going to see this talk page post of yours and commit to an overhaul. I personally think it's pretty good – much better than it was a few years ago. It's well sourced, it's written in a neutral tone, there's nothing particularly glossy about it. I have tried to put as much emphasis on the glory of the early days as I can – after all, that is the "background" of the show. DaHuzyBru (talk) 05:21, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

 * DaHuzyBru: Thanks for your long reply.  I was referring to the entire article.  (I didn't add anything; that was someone else.)  I don't agree it is in a neutral tone; it gave me the impression of being larded with superlatives (implied, mostly?).  I think there is far too much detail about performance history, too much detail about how excitedly Riverdance was received (e.g., repeated citation of length of runs), and not enough explanation of, for instance, how it came to be (artistically; there is plenty of scheduling detail) and also what is distinctive about it, both of which would be more suitable to an encyclopedia and more interesting as well.  Does this clarify my remarks?  I hope so.
 * I don't know much about Riverdance except from advertisements and maybe a review or two (so I can't revise it myself). I'm reacting strictly to the tone of the article.  I did get good factual information that helped me know what it was (and what the phenomenon was), but there was a lot more that wasn't needed.  Zaslav (talk) 08:04, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

ANÚNA Insertions
For some reason Anúna have been removed from this article except to say when the group left the show. This looks like a deliberate omission, but assuming it is an error I have corrected it in relation to the single and the Eurovision Song Contest. While I don't have a source for correcting Prince Philip as being the royal in attendance at the Royal Variety, I can say that we shook his hand and it was Prince Charles... AnunaChoir (talk) 16:48, 7 March 2019 (UTC) I would also point out that ANÚNA are mentioned as a principal performer in the 2006 article on this site. AnunaChoir (talk) 16:50, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

And apologies - it was Prince Philip. ANÚNA were only present at the original Royal Variety appearance in 1994 and Prince Charles attended that. It was a long time ago.

The insertion of ANÚNA as a one of the featured artists as part of the Eurovision Song Contest 1994 (as confirmed by the actual broadcast itself), was undone by a later editor after I had inserted it. I've re-inserted the attribution. I don't believe that the editor has any justifiable cause for the deletion, nor appears to wish to engage further in any discussion on the matter on their talk page. The evidence of the actual broadcast is enough, but there are multiple sources including the actual programme of the Eurovision and contemporary reviews of the broadcast.Aisling at AnunaChoir (talk) 20:23, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

25th anniversary
Isn't anyone going to add information on the 25th anniversary show? Visokor (talk) 21:22, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

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It's "Indian Institute of Management Lucknow"
... and not "Indian Institute of Management, Lucknow". The word "Lucknow" forms part of the name, and there is no comma that separates it from "Indian Institute of Management".
 * This is incorrect per UNIGUIDE. -- DanielKlotz (talk · contribs) 02:06, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Disagree. IIMs are not really part of a university system (unlike the University of California for example), they are all independent institutes which are not affiliated to any common university. Except for the fact that their names are similar and they are all public institutes ultimately run by the HRD Ministry in India, there is no connection. The name of the institute is not dependent on the name of the city - for example, IIM Calcutta's name was not changed to "IIM Kolkata" when the city's name was changed. Aurorion (talk) 09:40, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. This should be changed in the info box, too. But, why does their official website usecthe comma? -- DanielKlotz (talk · contribs) 10:57, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Good question. Maybe Anbu121 can shed some light on this. The websites of most other IIMs do not have the comma: IIM-C, IIM-B, IIM-K.

globalize
Should we claim that Manfest is one of the best in India or should we rather place it somewhere between the events of the best b schools like harvard, standford etc? Students here are undoubtedly the best in corpo india. how about the world?doles 13:44, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * That question is moot now as someone has NPOV'd the whole thing out of existence. So I've removed the globalize tag. Need to start from scratch now. --Ravikiran 19:23, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Have removed a lot of other NPOV matter like "best infrastructure among the world's B-schools. The page has been marked for speedy deletion. Someone please check my edits and remove the notice if the speedy deletion criteria is no longer met. kapitanniemand 21:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

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Caution; removing copy vio, unreferenced/promotional statements
I am in the process of searching for reliable sources and placing information only if the same is validated by reliable sources. As my previous request to the editors of the page was not responded to, I have removed all information that is without sourcing. Some of it also had copy violation issues directly from IIM Lucknow blog sites. Kindly do not copy paste material from the net. If there's an exceptional claim, kindly add that only after you have ensured that the claim is backed by reliable sources. Beyond that, you could follow some of the work that I shall initiate on the page and learn how to add reliable sources and how to paraphrase statements. If you require any support whatsoever, please feel free to write to me on my talk page. Kind regards.  Wifione    .......  Leave a message  16:43, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Neutral Point of View
I am a student of IIM Lucknow. If you find any of my edits to this article as biased or not written from a neutral point of view, please notify me or make appropriate changes yourself. -- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 09:35, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't find anything biased in this article. In fact, I think it's rather well-written. However - since you say you are student at IIM Lucknow - could you verify the first section of this discussion page, i.e., the official name of the institute? From what I know, some other IIMs like Calcutta, Bangalore, etc. are named as "Indian Institute of Management Calcutta", "Indian Institute of Management Bangalore", etc. Is this the case with IIM Lucknow as well? I know that whoever made the section here claims that it is "Indian Institute of Management Lucknow" - but the contact section on IIM Lucknow's website gives the name of the institute as just "Indian Institute of Management", followed by the address with "Lucknow" in it. The logo on the left of the website also says "Indian Institute of Management, Lucknow". So which is correct? "Indian Institute of Management Lucknow" or "Indian Institute of Management, Lucknow"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aurorion (talk • contribs) 20:50, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * All the official documents say "Indian Institute of Management Lucknow". Even the official logo does not contain comma. The website development was outsourced and hence the inconsistency. -- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 22:56, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Reliable sources
In good faith towards Anbu's self disclosure and his request to me on his talk page, I've removed the COI tag. I suggest we proceed step by step. First the lead section. Once we've addressed these issues, I'll move to the next sections. Thanks. Wifione  Message 06:26, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It is also engaged in Research and consultancy work with a focus on socially relevant projects: Please provide valid sources to support this statement. MSN is not a reliable source.
 * Major festivals organised by the institute includes Manfest (Business Conclave), INDEX (Market Research Fair) and Varchasva (Sports and Cultural Festival).: Please provide reliable sources that confirm these are major festivals. If the sources are given within the article, just mention the links here as I'm proceeding sequentially so have not cross-linked the refs.
 * Admission to the programs is done through Common Admission Test (CAT): Can you provide a reliable source please? Even an institute's source will do in this case; but the source has to mention which programs exactly use the CAT.

References have been added and CAT is moved to separate sub section -- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 09:27, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Anbu, can you please show your reference links here? Please point out which reference are you using to substantiate which statement from the above. For example, your Yahoo link simply shows the opinion of Mr. Devi Singh from IIM Lucknow. That is a self-published statement which should not be used to make a definitive statement. Therefore, till you show such details, I am reformatting the lead. Also, I see no references that support the fact that the festivals being organised are major festivals. If they are festivals, they can be mentioned below in the article, not necessarily in the lead. I'll await your references. Thanks.  Wifione  Message 19:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

I think its OK to remove the festivals from the lead. There are many sources for the social relevancy statement, but all of them quote the IIML's press release. I am searching for an independent source-- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 11:09, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I couldn't get independent secondary source for that statement. Lets move on. -- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 21:33, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

History section
I've changed the statements to match exactly what is given in the citations provided. If you feel anything has been missed out, do mention. Thanks. Wifione  Message 19:20, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

I have added the missed out part.-- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 11:09, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Comments
I haven't really worked on article assessments, but how about the following:
 * Try Tony1's redundancy excercises. They'll help you weed out unrequired stuff.
 * An example of how it will help: During the initial days, due to its remoteness, the students used to walk to the Highway-bypass Junction, which had a milestone saying "IIM Lucknow 3.4 km", to buy amenities and to hang out.
 * Try to avoid using commas if the sentence is perfectly correct even without them.

Done. -- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 11:25, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Giri institute of developmental studies: shouldn't this be "Giri Institute of Developmental Studies" ?
 * Maybe add the sanskrit (devanagari) for the building names? (I'm not sure what the policy on this is.)
 * 5 reading halls with seating capacity for 250 people --> each hall has 250 capacity, right? State that.
 * E-Journals, E-Databases --> check if WP:CAPS says this should be lower or upper case
 * Check grammar and spelling in general

Most of the sources are primary sources. The material that is referenced from these sources is not necessarily fact. For example: "is located in an isolated serene area". How can I be sure that the area is "serene"?
 * Sources

Looking at the sources it seems that books have been forgotten. Books are a great source of information and referencing, and people are bound to have written books on IIML. The only job is to find them and use them as references. Google books should be [//books.google.com/?q=IIM+Lucknow helpful] in that.

All in all, this article needs lots of good references (which shouldn't be too tough to find), and some redundancy, spelling, grammar checks.

Articles from National newspapers used as secondary sources.Could not find books. -- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 11:25, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

PS:As an exception, "Referred to as 'Hel(L)' by the students,[5] the rigorous lifestyle at IIM Lucknow is packed with academics, extracurriculars and entertainment." seems a clear (student) POV to me.--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 04:11, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Changed. -- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 11:25, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Anbu, please do not comment between the comments left by another editor. It confuses the reader completely. Right now, it's completely unclear which comments have been left by the previous editor and which by you above. I've tagged the article as being based on self-published sources. I'll suggest that make a good attempt to find reliable sources, otherwise remove the exceptional claims. I'll go through the article tomorrow and give you some suggestions. Thanks. Wifione  Message 12:05, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

 * Only one third of the references used are self published and they have been used only to support authoritative facts. UNIGUIDE says self published sources are reliable sources in the case of authoritative facts. You have added the tag that self published sources are used inappropriately. Please read the article fully before judging that the references have been used inappropriately. As of now, I am removing the tag as I feel that self published sources have been used as per WP:UNIGUIDE. Please add the tag if you feel otherwise after reading the article fully. -- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 13:43, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply Anbu. Pagalguy.com, Indiaprwire.com, lucknow.org, indianmba.com etc are completely unreliable sources as these are not editorially acceptable. Claims about library, social infrastructure, board of governors, etc are exceptional claims completely based on self published iim Lukcnow sources. Same is the case with details within sections like "Administration". These are exceptional and should not be supported by primary sources. Add to this the fact that even statements like "Peacocks dwell on the grounds" etc sound so promotional. And a statement like this "The college is packed with regularly maintained lawns and tree lined pathways. Rooftop lawns have also been developed on the top of academic buildings." does not even have sources. Unfortunately, because you are a student of the institute, I really would like to see secondary sources for all exceptional claims. I'm again placing the tag. Please don't remove it. If you wish, you can have a week to find secondary sources. After a week, I shall proceed to remove all claims that I feel are exceptional and based purely on primary sources. But I shall not remove these claims until I've pointed them out here and given you at least a day to respond. Thanks. Wifione  Message 06:35, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Response for your concerns on

1)so called 'editorially unacceptable sources':- Please read the source before tagging it as editorially unacceptable. The Pagalguy.com reference is not an editorial source at all. The source is an interview with the director of IIM Lucknow. I have added another reference to support the same statement. Also read the sentence for which the source is used and then give a valid reason why do you think the information in the source could be wrong.

2)Self Published sources for library, board of governors, etc:- Do you expect a Times of India reporter to go to IIM Lucknow Library and count the number of books there? As I already mentioned to you, there are around 20 college/university FAs in Wikipedia and all of them are written with Self Published sources. In most of the FAs, 50% of the references are self published sources. In this article only 35% of the references are self published. Please understand that it is impossible to write an article on a college/university without self published sources. WP:UNIGUIDE says Self published sources are reliable for authoritative facts. If IIM Lucknow website says so and so is the chairman of the board of Governors, it is an authoritative fact and it has to be accepted on the face value.

3)Promotional sounding peacock statement:- I didn't included this statement. An IP did. I have changed it now.

4)Lawns and Trees:- I have included references for them.

-- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 14:24, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

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Acacia saligna

Acacia saligna, commonly known by various names including coojong, golden wreath wattle, orange wattle, blue-leafed wattle, Western Australian golden wattle, and, in Africa, Port Jackson willow, is a small tree in the family Fabaceae. Native to Australia, it is widely distributed throughout the south west corner of Western Australia, extending north as far as the Murchison River, and east to Israelite Bay. The Noongar peoples know the tree as Cujong.

Description
Acacia saligna grows as a small, dense, spreading tree with a short trunk and a weeping habit. It grows up to eight metres tall. Like many Acacia species, it has phyllodes rather than true leaves; these can be up to 25 centimetres long. At the base of each phyllode is a nectary gland, which secretes a sugary fluid. This attracts ants, which are believed to reduce the numbers of leaf-eating insects. The yellow flowers appear in late winter and early spring, in groups of up to ten bright yellow spherical flower heads. The fruit is a legume, while the seed is oblong and dark to black in colour.

A natural colonizer, Coojong tends to grow wherever soil has been disturbed, such as alongside new roads. Its seeds are distributed by ants, which store them in their nests to eat the seed-stalks. Disturbance of the soil brings them to the surface and allows them to germinate. Seeds germinate readily, and hundreds of seedlings can sometimes be found beneath a single parent tree. It is also extremely vigorous when young, often growing over a metre per year.

Uses
Acacia saligna can be used for multiple purposes, as it grows under a wide range of soil conditions into a woody shrub or tree. It has been used for tanning, revegetation, animal fodder, mine site rehabilitation, firewood, mulch, agroforestry and as a decorative plant.

Acacia saligna has been planted extensively in semi-arid areas of Africa, South America and the Middle East as windbreaks and for stabilisation of sand dunes or erosion.

Invasive potential
Acacia saligna has become an invasive species outside its natural range due to the following contributing factors:
 * Widespread planting outside its native area
 * Rapid growth in soil with low levels of nutrients
 * Early reproductive maturity
 * Large quantity of seeds produced
 * Ability of seeds to survive fire
 * Ability to germinate after cutting or burning
 * Tolerance to many different substrates
 * Nitrogen fixation
 * Extensive root system
 * Taller growth (by more than 3 m in some places) than indigenous plants

It was planted in the northern suburbs of Sydney in the 1950s by well-meaning native plant enthusiasts, and has subsequently become a major weed in eastern New South Wales, Victoria and South Australia.

Since 2019, the species is included on the list of invasive alien species of Union Concern. This means that the species can no longer be imported in the European Union. Additionally, it has become illegal to plant it, breed it, transport it, or bring it into the wild.

Environmental impact in South Africa
In South Africa, it proliferated at an uncontrollable rate, having been introduced in the nineteenth century to produce tan bark and to stabilise the sands of the Cape Flats outside Cape Town after the indigenous bush had largely been cut down for firewood. In addition to replacing indigenous fynbos vegetation, it also hampers agriculture. It is listed as an invasive alien plant in the Cape Floristic Region of South Africa, where it has displaced native species through changing fire regimes. The introduction of the acacia gall rust fungus, (Uromycladium tepperianum), has proven to be highly effective at reining it in, reducing density by 80%. The acacia seed weevil (Melanterius species) was introduced in 2001 and has now (in 2007) reached the stage where there are sufficient numbers available to begin its distribution.

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These are incorporated cities in Sacramento County. For many years, the "four" were Sacramento, Folsom, Galt, and Isleton; these were recently joined by Citrus Heights, Elk Grove, and Rancho Cordova. See the following official Sacramento County site for details: http://www.saccounty.net/portal/cities-in-the-county/index.html. Jim 05:03, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
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Youssef Sofiane

Youssef Sofiane (يوسف سُفيان; born 8 July 1984, in Villefranche-sur-Saône) is a French footballer who played in England, the Netherlands, France, Belgium, Algeria and Germany.

Club career
Of Algerian descent, Sofiane began his footballing career in August 2000 as a trainee at AJ Auxerre. He joined West Ham United in June 2002, when he was signed by manager Glenn Roeder on a free transfer as back-up to the club's strikers. Opportunities were rare however and he made only two appearances for West Ham, as a substitute in a 2–1 away win against Preston, and in a 3–1 win over Rushden in the first round of the League Cup, both in August 2003. He was loaned to Lille in January 2004 until the end of the 2003–04 season, and to Notts County on a one-month loan deal in September 2004, where he made three appearances, scoring one goal against Wrexham in the Football League Trophy. He then joined Dutch club Roda JC on loan through January–May 2005, where he made three substitute appearances. Despite playing in pre-season games, he was not given a squad number by West Ham for the 2005–06 season and his contract was terminated by mutual consent in August 2005. After trials with MK Dons and Coventry City, he joined Coventry on non-contract terms in October 2005. However, he made only one substitute appearance for Coventry before being released in January 2006.

After leaving Coventry, he played for La Louviere in the Belgian Jupiler League, Sportfreunde Siegen of the German Regionalliga, and US Lesquin in France.

On 7 December 2011, Sofiane signed an 18-month contract with ES Sétif. He signed as a free agent having been without a club after his contract with MC Alger ended in summer 2011.

Sofiane later became a football agent.

Representative honours
Sofiane represented France at Under-15 to Under-18 level.

Honours
ES Sétif
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Talk:Manly P. Hall

Early Years
MPH did not travel to LA, California with his maternal grandmother. She died while they were previously in NYC, which is what precipitated his move back to LA. I hesitate to make the edit, because I don't want it to be removed, but if someone sees this, please do! Johnoh5464 (talk) 19:26, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

NPOV discussion
Added NPOV template due to biased language throughout.

Added clean-up template because there are statements taken from the PRS website verbatim without citing.

Language, while positive, isn't particularly biased. It's certainly not inaccurate, and is no more POV than any number of other biographical articles. Deleting Neutrality template. —Clarknova 05:58, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Can someone add them back please, I don't know how to do this, particularly or not the article is biased, the idolatry tone is uncharacteristic of wikipedia, and the sentences as the other user said lifted off of this (dead) guys website, being in the occult such types are generally very hush hush about their doing, that doesn't mean that whatever represantation they get in wikipedia shouldn't be well balanced, as much as it can. 195.134.69.158 15:27, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I have done so for you. Please keep an eye on this page in case discussion comes up. -999 (Talk) 22:15, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Manly Palmer Hall is another figure like Eliphas Levi and Athanasius Kircher, whose more or less personal speculations have been taken up by others as supposed occult and/or mystic "age-old ancient traditions". The language in this article may be relentlessly positive, but in fact it is quite true that he's been very influential among English-speaking 20th-century occultists and New Agers (even though many of them have never heard his name). AnonMoos 00:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

From what I gather, Mr. M. P. Hall was anything but 'hush hush' about what he knew. The Secret Teaching of All Ages is dedicated to demystifying the occult sciences and making them accessible to anyone who is inclined to pick up the book and read it. (CMS - January 2007)

One of the problems with this article is the lack of basic biographical information, as well as the problems with tone. There's a good biographic article in this issue http://download.dailygrail.com/subrosa/SubRosa_Issue6-Single.pdf of the online magazine Sub Rosa; it would be a good place to start at least. Proptology 04:23, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion, the recent edits have eliminated pretty much all of the NPOV problem, although it looks like when you remove the overblown language and idolatrous tone, what's left is basically a stub. Should it be marked as such? I think the NPOV flag can probably be removed now, at any rate. There was some interesting stuff edited out (necessarily so) from the original article, and it probably needs to be replaced somehow. For instance, The Secret Teaching is his best-known work, so it might be worth putting back a précis of it. The current list of publications seems too selective; the more complete it can be made, the more useful it will be. Proptology 02:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm also of the opinion that this article is looking fairly neutral in its POV. I'd be in favor of removing the flag. I have more info and sources I can add to the selected works, I just need to find them in my sagging book shelves.Darrell Wheeler 12:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the fact that this once-article now reads like a stub, and while I am no fan of M.P. Hall, I believe having such an abridged biography here is a disservice to the information. The historical importance and influence of Manly P. Hall within this genre of writing is profound and far-reaching and created a legacy within the esoteric arts. There are many things that are absent in the information, including a photo, which is easily obtained and should be restored. I recommend an editor familiar with MPH and the PRS in Los Angeles should re-write this page in its entirety.--Chieflamedeer (talk) 22:49, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Copy and Paste
The entire article is just a copy of the brief bio from this site: http://www.manlyphall.org/ Exxoskeleton (talk) 10:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

 * What is the status of this plagiarism challenge? The indicated link is broken; was the article as a whole plagiarized, or no?  Is a single source tag relevant, or no?   LeProf  50.179.245.225 (talk) 06:41, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

 * So far as I can see, the website copied this article. The earliest Wayback version is which is more or less identical to the earlier  Wikipedia page at. Dougweller (talk) 12:52, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

NPOV
Saw POV tag from other page, been up for half a year. Article is slightly POV. I wouldn't say bad, but some rewording is in order. Hooper (talk) 19:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Biography of Hall
I removed this newly-published biography (July 1, 2008 according to Amazon) from the ref list because it is not cited in the article. It could probably be useful in fleshing out the entry, but needs to be specifically cited to be included in the refs section: Master of the Mysteries: The Life of Manly Palmer Hall by Louis Sahagun (Process Media, ISBN:978-1-934170-02-1).--Typing Monkey - (type to me) 16:45, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

 * That does not mean it's right to remove it entirely from the article. It would be quite appropriate to give the book mention in a section of its own. This is common Wikipedia practice. __meco (talk) 16:52, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I don't disagree with including it, but its inclusion should be within the standards of Wikipedia. The book is the only biography to date of Hall that I know of.  This article needs expansion.  Someone who has read the new bio should definitely include pertinent information in the main section of the article and cite the bio as a reference.  If you've read it, please do so! Typing Monkey - (type to me) 02:11, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you ever heard of a "further reading" section? The book should not have been removed. Viriditas (talk) 12:13, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Bio fails to mention anything about Brother Manly's life or passing
My observation is that the bio is unduly conservative - and - I would point to the absence of any information about the circumstances of his passing let alone the rest of his personal life. Whilst this might be found elsewhere it is a glaring OM mission on these 'legacy' pages which are hopefully to be securely passed onto the future. The manner of his death was the aspect that drew me to this wiki article.

In view of his importance I assume this is intentional rather than a reflection of his waning relevance. Naradaian (talk) 10:01, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

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Hardly any information about Manly P. Hall or his work. His Secret History of the Ages is required reading those entering the higher degrees of Freemasonry, yet very little --if anything-- issaid about this book, his most famous work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.28.57 (talk) 01:14, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Feel free to edit the article (see WP:VERIFY and WP:NOR first. Dougweller (talk) 05:49, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Um... Just to be clear, "Secret History of the Ages" is not required reading for those entering the higher degrees of Freemasonry. At best it falls under "suggested reading". Blueboar (talk) 17:31, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Quotation demanding clarification
In the following early sentence appearing in the article, there is an unpaired quotation mark; please correct or remove the sentence:

His nascent interest was solidified by meeting—and becoming a student of—Sydney J. Brownson, "a diminutive horse-and-buggy doctor and Civil War veteran in his early 70s" who had set up business as a practitioner of phrenology, "the pseudo-science popular at the turn of the century that divided the brain into areas responsible for noble traits such as heroism and despised ones such as cruelty, and mapped them out in patterns on the surface of the brain. Hall delved deeply into "teachings of lost and hidden traditions, the golden verses of Hindu gods, Greek philosophers and Christian mystics, and the spiritual treasures waiting to be found within one's own soul." Less than a year later, Hall booked his first lecture, and the topic was reincarnation.[1]

LeProf 50.179.245.225 (talk) 06:38, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

 * I am in favor of removing the first part of this paragraph and begin with "Hall delved deeply into..." and end with the citation intact. Any objections? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mphsociety (talk • contribs) 03:59, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Multiple issues tag placed...
…because nearly all information contained here is from the primary works written by Hall (via quotation), or from a single biography by Sahagun (that appears to have POV issues), or is from a similarly non-neutral source (PRS Journal). This is in a very sad state with regard to objectivity. LeProf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.179.245.225 (talk) 06:59, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Editorial or unsourced information in footnotes moved to Talk for clarification
Three references fail to serve as references, instead (i) providing further information without clearly indicating the source(s)/page numbers of the in-text statement bearing the citation number or of the further in-reference information, (ii) editorializing via extensive affirming quotations, or (iii) presenting information or analysis amounting to original research, and therefore contributing to the January 2013-dated issue of the article being over-detailed. Specifically:

The following reference text, earlier appearing as reference [16], fails to indicate the page number from which the stated information is taken, and is otherwise quotation-intensive, and is a subject-aggrandizing, POV-questionable editorial on the book that is subject of the subsection (the quotations being taken from the primary religious source), and therefore is unsuitable as neutral content:

 * The "Special Foreword" of the Theosophical Edition has a symbol of theosophy (Egyptian Cross in the center of the Star of David, encircled by a snake), and states: "The Theosophical Edition of this work has been prepared as an expression of appreciation for the untiring efforts made by the Theosophical Society and its individual members to keep alight the torch of the Secret Doctrine through an age of spiritual darkness. Theosophy as given to the Western World by Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, an official representative of the Secret Schools, is an objectification of that Ageless Wisdom whose origin is obscured by the mists of cosmic dawn.  It is the sincere hope of the author that his book may be of assistance to those now studying "The Secret Doctrine" as expounded by that great occultist of the nineteenth century, our Beloved and Exaulted Brother, H.P.B. A . . . U . . . M . . .", and the "Special Foreword" of the Rosicrucian Edition has a Rosicrucian symbol (the Rosicrucian cross centered within a five-pointed star), and is written by Mrs. Max Heindel, President, The Rosicrucian Fellowship, Oceanside, California, and dated May 1, 1928.  She wrote: "The writer deems it a privilege to have the opportunity to write this brief foreword to the Rosicrucian Edition of a work which she feels will stand as a great masterpiece--a volume which contains between its covers a remarkable compendium of the mystical and philosophical teachings of the ancients.  Mr. Hall is particularly qualified to interpret the symbolical language of antiquity.  He has taken a special interest in the Wisdom Teachings and symbols of the ancient Rosicrucians, Freemasons, and Hermetic philosophers.  His investigations have resulted in the present volume with its wealth of little-known philosophical lore.  In this book Mr. Hall has placed the secret learning of the ancients and medieval worlds within the reach of the modern seeker after the fundamental verities of life.  The ever-increasing popularity of Rosicrucianism today is evidence of the general revival of interest in the Mystery Teachings of the ancients.  Mr. Hall's encyclopedia of symbolical philosophy is a most timely contribution, for it unlocks the treasure chests of the past and gives back to mankind the knowledge of the ancient Egyptians, Greeks, and Chaldeans."

The following reference text, earlier appearing as reference [17], fails to indicate the page number from which the stated information is taken, and otherwise presents information/analysis amounting to WP Original Research (no sourcing for the analysis appearing), and contributes to the January 2013-dated issue of the article being over-detailed:

 * Currently in possession of the Harry Ransom Center, The University of Texas at Austin, Copy Number 296 does not list the subscriber, a feature which characterizes many other copies. The Ransom Center records identify the owner as Nancy Wilson Ross, who is not one of the original listed subscribers, and as part of her book collection the Center acquired in 1972.  Another example, Copy Number 35, offered for sale in November 2012 by H.E.R.M.E.S' Antiquarian book store in Copenhagen, Denmark, is signed by Hall on the limitation page, but not personally dedicated to a subscriber.  This raises the possibility that more than 550 copies were printed, or that some subscribers declined to have their names engraved in the copies they purchased.

The following reference text, earlier appearing as reference [18], fails to indicate the page number from which the stated information is taken, and otherwise is information contributing to the January 2013-dated issue of the article being over-detailed:

 * The institutions are: The Ashmolean Library, Oxford, Presented by H.E.S.; The British Museum, Presented by A.A.; The Cornish School of Music, Presented by O.P.; The Hollywood Co-Masonic Lodge, No. 523, Presented by Z. R. F.; Iowa Masonic Library, Cedar Rapids, Iowa; Krotona Library; Library of Scottish Rite Bodies, Valley of Los Angeles; Library of the Supreme Council of the 33rd Degree for the Southern Jurisdiction of the U.S.A.; Los Angeles Engraving Company; Los Angeles Public Library; New York Public Library, Presented by A.A.; The Henry L. Palmer Lodge, No. 301; Rosicrucian Fellowship, Los Angeles Study Center; San Francisco Lodge of Perfection No. 1; Seattle Public Library, Presented by O.P.; Tecolote Bookshop; Theosophical Society, San Francisco Lodge; Theosophical Study, Seattle Lodge; The University of Leipzig, Presented by A.A.; The University of Washington, Presented by O.P.; The Vatican Library, Presented by A.F.S.; and The Woman's Century Club, Presented by O.P.

The suitability / value of each of these long, non-citation "references" should be discussed before they are re-introduced into the text; minimally, the specific sources of the information appearing in the text, and of the extra information and analysis presented in the footnote must also appear, so that it is not OR. LeProf 50.179.245.225 (talk) 08:04, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Elephantiasis?
I've read somewhere that elephantiasis made him extremely fat, and he needed 2 chairs to sit down. Is this true, and if so, should we mention it? --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  23:22, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

News coverage
Received some recent news coverage over "Secret Teachings of All Ages" being found on Osama bin Laden's bookshelves: Secrets of Osama bin Laden's library: The mystic, searching book now being misinterpreted as a conspiracy text (Salon.com) etc... AnonMoos (talk) 17:32, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Absurd warning
The warning on the front of the article contains these concerns among others:

 * This article may require cleanup ... reliance on ... limited source[s]
 * This article relies largely or entirely upon a single source.
 * This article improperly uses one or more religious texts as primary sources without referring to secondary sources ...
 * This article may rely excessively on sources too closely associated with the subject ...
 * This biographical article needs additional citations ...

Do we need a giant banner on the page in order to warn the reader of the same issue five times? -Miskaton (talk) 18:34, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

 * I removed three of these warnings, two of which I couldn't find any examples of on the page (excessive quotes and citing religious texts as primary source). -Miskaton (talk) 04:50, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Better organize information
Vital biographical information covering many years is missing and too much detailed publisher's information is included about one particular book. That book can have a separate page as it contains very little original writing and is a compendium of research done at libraries; basically it has no original research and is not related to any development or revelation in his intellectual life. He published incorrect information about the ancient Egpytian pharaohs in his book, and it was known as being incorrect by Egyptologists at the time he published it: he obviously did not know what he was talking about and did not care to check with scholarly sources. He just copied a bunch of obscure information in libraries and got some pictures and threw them together. I purchased this book and read it and it was so large and bulky it would not fit on a regular bookshelf and it had nothing really irreplaceable in it: I tore the picture of Count Racokzy out and threw the book away and have not missed it. It is well known that in his later years there was some bizarre and unexplained ongoing behavoir (most are mentioned in the Lachman books) and incidents and suspicious business dealings, including a rewritten will a week before he died, and the doctor refused to sign his death certificate after some unexplained injuries were discovered. 97.76.210.2 (talk) 21:16, 16 September 2015 (UTC)FFE

'The Secret Teachings of All Ages - An Encyclopedia Outline of Masonic, Hermetic, Qabbalistic and Rosicrucian Symbolic Philosophy'
I added the subtitle of The Secret Teachings of All Ages - An Encyclopedia Outline of Masonic, Hermetic, Qabbalistic and Rosicrucian Symbolic Philosophy. This very important book should have its own article! 2601:589:4705:C7C0:CC25:99AD:493:9246 (talk) 17:04, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

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Relevance of Masonic affiliation
In the Personal Life section of this article there exists a rather chunky paragraph discussing his masonic affiliation, half of which has to do with the Scottish rite. In my opinion, this is a little excessive. A sentence saying he was a member of a lodge and that he achieved the 33rd degree would haver been sufficient, but even then. Wikipædia is a general encyclopædia, not one dedicated to Esoterica or Freemasonry. If there were no references I would remove the entire paragraph. Does anyone else see "the light"? UaMaol (talk) 02:17, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

 * The symbolism of Freemasonry is discussed in chapter 40 of his book "The Secret Teachings of All Ages"... AnonMoos (talk) 09:30, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

 * And that is relevant, how?... UaMaol (talk)

 * For Manly P. Hall, Freemasonry was not only one part of "The Secret Teachings of All Ages", but the part which he personally could participate in with other people without joining a small esoteric occult group... AnonMoos (talk) 12:14, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

 * Again, please enlighten me as to how that is relevant?... UaMaol (talk) 01:08, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

 * Sorry dude, but I really don't feel motivated to spell out the obvious in unnecessary detail and at unnecessary length, using a restricted vocabulary of words of one syllable or less. If you really knew something about Manly P. Hall and what he wrote about, then my first comment above would have been more than enough... AnonMoos (talk) 21:02, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

 * I know exactly who the article subject is and have read his books. Your responses are rather vague and don't address my original point as to why there is a rather chunky section dealing with his meeting attendance. His masonic writings were well before he even joined a lodge assuming that the article content is correct. The Secret Teachings of All Ages is an esoteric text, and in my opinion would not meet WP:RS unless it was discussing itself. Wikipædia is a general encyclopædia, not one dedicated to Esoterica or Freemasonry, as I've previously said. UaMaol (talk) 23:31, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

 * "The Secret Teachings of All Ages" is probably not a reliable source on the true meanings of ancient mythology and such, but it's sure as hell a reliable source on what Manly P. Hall personally considered to be important, and any attempt to pretend otherwise is pointless quibbling. When Freemasonry or occult topics meet Wikipedia notability requirements and other standards of inclusion, then there most definitely can be Wikipedia articles covering them (though not advocating for them, of course).  Otherwise, you seem to be following the Tortoise in What the Tortoise Said to Achilles, which is tiresome and useless... AnonMoos (talk) 14:29, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Indian Institute of Management Kozhikode

Are you guys for Real?
comma fullstop, what has this world come to!??!?! besides, ppl obviously tend to say good things about the things they are associated with. so take everything here with a bucket of salt!

 * I have removed some promotional material from the page. But it is difficult to prevent academic boosterism here or in any similar university page, especially IIMs

പനിനീർപ്പൂവ് (talk) 15:21, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

It's "Indian Institute of Management Kozhikode"
... and not "Indian Institute of Management, Kozhikode". The word "Kozhikode" forms part of the name, and there is no comma that separates it from "Indian Institute of Management".

--Lettherebelight | Talk 05:08, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I researched the above statement a little bit and this is the best response so far from my classmate at IIM Lucknow.

Is it Infosys Banagalore & Infosys Chennai or Infosys, Banagalore & Infosys, Chennai? The IIM is estd by the govt of India and each location gets its management and freedom to operate within a certain guidelines. But each location is an IIM. If you look at the official address, it says: IIM, Prabandh Nagar, Off. Sitapur Road, Lucknow-226 013. Therefore, the name is IIM & you are free to put or not put commas when you add the location name to identify the excact institute. The rules of English grammar tend to agree with Mr.Dole and say that you should put a comma. ''

 * I think the comma should return.
 * doles 13:55, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

POV tag
Almost all of the IIM articles are like ads. Here is only one example from the vey first paragraph of this article.

"Being a part of IIM family of institutions, which have earned worldwide reputation for academic excellence, the Institute strives hard for maintaining international standards in all of its academic activity.".

doles 19:39, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

I beg to differ. The above paragraph, and the article in general, only highlights the achievements of the Institue, and the reputation it enjoys. I urge people to have a look at entries for other popular colleges around the world. They are similar in tone and style. For instance, this is an extract from a prominent B-school page's entry: "It is among the most famous universities in the United States and the world." I request the person who disputed the neutrality of the article to withdraw the argument.

Update the admission and selection data
Most of the data regarding admission and selection of students is from 2012 or 2013. Please update. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rishanchattaraj (talk • contribs) 14:52, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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Beatty Anchorage

Beatty Anchorage is a logging camp located on Louise Island, one of the Queen Charlotte Islands, now known as Haida Gwaii, in British Columbia, Canada.

Background
It is one of three large logging camps remaining on the islands since the heyday of Sitka spruce logging during World War II, the other two being Moresby Camp and Aero Camp.

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W. Davis Merritt

W. Davis "Buzz" Merritt Jr. was editor of The Wichita Eagle from 1975 through 1998. He is considered one of the fathers of public journalism, a reform movement that urged journalists to do their jobs in ways that could help citizens engage in public life rather than discouraging them. A major component of public journalism is to train journalists to view events from the citizen's perspective rather than that of the participants in the news. Merritt is the author of four books on journalism, "Public Journalism and Public Life," "The Two W's of Journalism" (with Maxwell McCombs), Knightfall: Knight Ridder and How the Erosion of Newspaper Journalism Is Putting Democracy at Risk, a critique of corporate ownership of newspapers that reserves its most pointed criticism for Knight Ridder, the company that owned The Wichita Eagle and his employer for 43 years and his latest book, "On Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Perfect"

He is especially known for "The Voter Project" and "The People Project," both demonstrations of ways that public journalism could affect journalistic practice.

In 2017, W. Davis Merritt was inducted into the Kansas Newspaper Hall of Fame.

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Suiren

Suiren (, Suìrén, lit. Fire starter Person"), also known as Suihuang (, Suìhuáng, lit. "Fire Starter Emperor"), appears in Chinese mythology and some works which draw upon it. He is credited as a culture hero who introduced humans to the production of fire and its use for cooking. He was included on some ancient lists of the legendary Three August Ones, who lived long before Emperor Yao, Emperor Shun, and the Xia rulers of the earliest historical Chinese dynasty, even before the Yellow Emperor and Yandi. Suiren’s innovation by tradition has been using the wooden fire drill to create fire. Tradition holds that he ruled over China for 110 years.

Although the Sui in his name is sometimes translated as Flint, Sui in Chinese refers to all firestarters. For example, Liji separates Sui into Musui(, Musui, lit. "wood sui") or fire drill wood and Yangsui(, Yangsui, lit. "Solar Sui"), usually bronze mirrors used to start fire by reflecting the sun).

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