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The Purple Gang (British band)

The Purple Gang are a British rock band active intermittently since the 1960s. They were originally associated with the London psychedelic scene. They released their debut album, The Purple Gang Strikes in 1968, with one track, "Granny Takes a Trip" banned from being broadcast by the BBC.

History
Although they were associated with the London psychedelic music scene, they originated in Stockport, then in Cheshire, as The Young Contemporaries jugband. The band adopted the name, The Purple Gang, when they changed their image to the well-dressed, clean-cut "gangster" style in the 1960s. In London, they engaged Joe Boyd as their record producer, and shared a studio with Pink Floyd as they recorded their first single, "Granny Takes A Trip" (named after the eponymous shop in the Kings Road, London). Pink Floyd were making their own first single, "Arnold Layne", at the time.

The BBC spotted the word 'trip' in the title and, assuming it to be a reference to LSD, banned the record from their airwaves. Also noting that the band's lead singer at the time (Pete Walker) was nicknamed 'Lucifer', the BBC Controller said "... a song with a dubious title designed to corrupt the nation's youth – and a band that boasts a warlock for a singer will not be tolerated by any decent society..." An album, The Purple Gang Strikes was released in 1968, but failed to sell, although Pirate radio station DJs such as John Peel praised the group. The band continued during the early 1970s, with a slightly different line-up.

In 1998, the band reformed and recorded an album, Night of the Uncool, with several new songs by Joe Beard, some of which were produced by Gerry Robinson, the mandolin and harmonica player from the original 1967 line-up. From 1999, their new lead vocalist was Stuart Pevitt (born 27 December 1952, Sale, Cheshire, England). They enjoyed some commercial success in Eastern Europe; in Bulgaria and Hungary one of their singles, "Sunset Over the Mersey", entered the national charts.

In 2003, they re-released The Purple Gang Strikes on CD. It contained remixes of several of their 1967 songs, including the BBC-banned track "Granny Takes A Trip". Another track, "Madam Judge", was their reply to the latter's banning.

Most of their songs were written by their early members: guitarist Joe Beard (born Christopher John Beard, 28 November 1945, Macclesfield, Cheshire), and organist Geoff Bowyer (born Geoffrey Paul Bowyer, 1948, Leek, Staffordshire). Some other members were vocalist Pete Walker (born Peter John Walker, 1946, Hyde, North Cheshire), jug / banjo player Ank Langley (born Trevor Langley, 1946, Stockport, Cheshire) and mandolin / harmonica player Gerry Robinson (born David John Robinson, 1947, Hyde). Their musical influences and styles are varied, from jug band, country and western, through psychedelic, to rock music.

The band's unofficial headquarters was The Castle Inn, Macclesfield, where they regularly practised and jammed for their enthusiastic local fans.

Stuart Pevitt died of cancer in 2009, aged 56.

Joe Beard has written a biography of the band – Taking the Purple - The Extraordinary Story of The Purple Gang - Granny Takes a Trip… and All That (ISBN 978-0992867102).

Beard and Robinson released a new CD in 2014 – We Meant No Harm.

Discography

 * The Purple Gang Strikes (1968, re-released 2003)
 * Night of the Uncool (1998)

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus to delete --Cel e stianpower hablamé 19:46, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Tim Shell
Ok, I happen to have a lot of respect for Tim, being a board member and such. And I don't believe much in the notability thing. But, Tim doesn't seem notable to me. His assertions to notability are being the Bomis CEO and being a Wikimedia board member. We should not make special exceptions for people who work with Wikimedia, this is bad. It seems like a huge self-reference to me. And, it uses information from the Wikimedia Foundation wiki. I feel this is original research because it's written by Wikimedia. I hope to soon become as notable as Tim Shell, and I would make a self-nomination for VFD if an article was written about me at the same level of notability. -- Phroziac ( talk ) 01:38, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. Just as notable as Sonja Elen Kisa. --WikiFanaticTalk Contribs 21:05, 12 October 2005 (CDT)
 * Humorous comment - ...which is also on AFD... -- Phroziac ( talk )[[Image:Flag_of_Phyzech_Republic.svg|25px]] 05:58, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. CEOs are notable, and board members of the 45th most popular web site further increases notability.   Un  focused  07:00, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete... the Sonja Elen Kisa argument isn't very compelling. Regardless.  I don't think every CEO is notable; there needs to be auxillary reasons for notability (notable company, media coverage, etc.)  Bomis fall just short of notability IMO, so I don't really see Mr. Shell as notable as a CEO.  Board Membership does not confer notability in and of itself.  I wonder if we would even be havign this discussion if Mr. Shell had no involvment in Wikipeida and was just a CEO of some random dotcom with a board membership on some other random project...--Isotope23 13:53, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * My own opinion regarding the value of this article has nothing to do with Bomis or Wikipedia. Any CEO and/or Board member of similar sized organizations should have an article.  Tim Shell's relationship with Bomis and Wikipedia means he has an article sooner than other similar people.  Please don't make comments that don't assume good faith on the part of people whose opinion is opposite your own.   Un  focused  15:08, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I have to concur with unfocused. -- Phroziac ( talk )[[Image:Flag_of_Phyzech_Republic.svg|25px]] 15:25, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * My musing on whether or not we would be having this discussion if Mr. Shell was not involved in wikipedia was not an assumption of bad faith on your part Un  focused  and I'm sorry if you took it that way... it was just a comment and it wasn't directed at you.  I simply don't agree with your contention that every CEO of a mid-sized company is notable.  In my opinion that is extremely low bar to set for notability.  That's just my 2 cents and you are certainly entitled to disagree with me.  On another note, I would support a merge of this information into the existing Bomis article as has been suggested here by others.--Isotope23 18:02, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Just so you know, I hadn't intended to "get in your face" over this, but only to point out that your sentence beginning with "I wonder if we would even..." seems to presume improper bias on the part of the article author and all subsequent "keep" voters. It really was a very minor point, perhaps I should have put it in small text.   Un  focused  20:13, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * No offence taken. Sometimes my writing comes off more abrasive than it was intended.  :)--Isotope23 20:19, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Weakest keep ever. Bomis doesn't fit my "deserves an article on every CEO ever" criteria, and Wikipedia, in terms of the prominence of it, doesn't deserve an article on every board member ever in my eyes. And yet, we are Wikipedia. Obviously. And, honestly, I'm voting to keep because Mr. Shell is so notable in a Wikipedia context that it will help the project to have an article on him around. Did that make a lick of sense? Lord Bob 15:16, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment - if this is kept, I want to see articles on Magnus Manske, Brion Vibber, Tim Starling, Michael Davis, Florence Nibart-Devouard, et al. Rob Church Talk 15:29, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Wow...a quick preview shows we do have Mike and Anthere. Rob Church Talk 15:29, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Such a minor branch of a subject that it doesn't deserve an article: Merge the useful content into a more comprehensive article [Bomis] and redirect --SPUI (talk) 15:49, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The best guide to notability, be it of people, companies, software, products, or web sites, is whether other people, independent of the subject itself, have considered the subject to be notable. The litmus test for that, outlined to greater or lesser extent in all of our various notability criteria (WP:BIO, WP:CORP, WP:WEB, and so forth) is whether the subject has been written about in multiple separate published works that whose sources are independent of the subject xyrself.  (WP:BIO talks about press coverage and independent biographies.  WP:WEB talks about media attention.  WP:CORP uses the broad term of published works, and is explicit about excluding self-promotion.) Furthermore, as Geogre says, it is a disservice to AFD and to the encyclopaedia as a whole to apply criteria erratically and inconsistently.  It is wrong to hold the Wikimedia Foundation, its board members, and its web sites to standards that are different to the standards to which one holds other companies, people, and web sites.  Researching this person, I have yet to find anything published about him by someone independent of Bomis or the Wikimedia Foundation that isn't a straight one-sentence mention, as an aside, that parrots Board of Trustees, Bomis (from the version before Jimbo Wales removed mention of Tim Shell from that article), or Wikimedia.  See the one-sentence mention of Tim Shell in this article in Florida Trend for example.  Additionally, Lord Bob's argument is wrong.  Claiming that someone is notable within the group of users of a web site does not wash for Wikimedia board members and Wikmedia project editors any more than it washes when people assert that their BBS sysop is notable within the users of their BBS, or that a web discussion forum participant is notable within that discussion forum, even though unremarked upon elsewhere.  Other people, independent of the subject, have to regard the subject as notable, and have to demonstrate the extent to which they find the subject notable by creating and publishing works of their own about it.  As such, this person does not satisfy the criteria for notability.  Delete. Uncle G 16:55, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I wasn't clear. I wasn't asserting that he was notable because he's notable within Wikipedia, I was asserting that, for the sake of smooth operation of Wikipedia as a website, it would be valuable to have articles on the board members. It's not that he's notable as such, it's that he's notable enough within Wikipedia that Wikipedians would have an easier time of it knowing who he is. Not that this article is that great, but it might get expanded. As you might have guessed from the weakness of my keep, I'm not entirely sold on this argument but it's stuck in my head and I cannot ignore it. Lord Bob 18:30, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The place for the Wikimedia Foundation to publish articles on its board members is the foundation's own wiki. And that's where it does publish them.  See the hyperlink given above.  As for the possibility that this article could get expanded: the immediate question is "expanded from what source?".  As I pointed out above, the only source of information on this person that provides anything more than a sentence of information is the Wikimedia Foundation, and the article already contains everything available from that source. Uncle G 11:06, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Xoloz pretty well summed up what I'da said in reply to this below. Lord Bob 16:55, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Xoloz is applying a double standard on the false grounds that Wikipedia needs to be the primary source in this particular case in order to provide administrative transparency, and doesn't answer the question that I asked above. Uncle G 16:18, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't care. Or maybe that would be Neutral.  Slightly leaning towards Merge and redirect.  He is notable enough to be discussed somewhere for sure, but I don't know if that somewhere is his own article or not.  I'll let other people answer that question.  Bushytails 17:54, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * keep I just voted to keep some article on a website that sells wristbands for fans of Crystal Palace, so I pretty much have to be an inclusionist for the next week or so, so yes, keep. Youngamerican 23:35, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete agree with non-notable CEO of non-notable company regardless of establishment of wikipedia -- wikipedia does not have sweeping credibility to put itself in a posistion of notoriety. as far as it is concerned, it is self promotion which is most often grounds for deletion. final reason: vanity. Fsdfs 00:03, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, verifiable. JYolkowski // talk 02:04, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Un  focused . ~⌈Markaci⌋ 2005-10-14 T 07:17:28 Z
 * Delete. Verifiable does not equal encylopaedic. Proto t c 08:49, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect into Bomis and WMF. Delete, article does not establish notability. Alphax τεχ 09:43, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Note that Jimbo 1 removed mention of him from Bomis. See above. Uncle G 11:06, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'm convinced. Alphax τεχ 09:43, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Note that in the same edit where Jimbo Wales removed mention of Tim Shell as "minority stakeholder", he also removed himself as "majority owner", so it's either a correction regarding ownership, or that in capacity as "minority stakeholder" he didn't think Tim Shell warranted a mention. This shouldn't be assumed to mean he isn't notable in the article as CEO.   Un  focused  16:42, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per Lord Bob. For me, this is about user convenience.  A user might want to know about the people who run this place, and WP seems like to a logical place to uncover such information.  As I see it, it isn't about a double standard as much as full disclosure of what makes WP run. Xoloz 16:55, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The Wikimedia Foundation has its own wiki for full disclosure, and the page where it publishes information about its board members is hyperlinked to above. We also have Meta for foundation-wide things.  The main article namespace at Wikipedia is not the be-all and end-all.  We should not be basing our judgements upon what meta-information about the foundation it might be handy to disclose, since that is a decision for the primary sources (e.g. what the foundation decides to disclose on its own web site about its board members), not the encyclopaedia.  We should be basing our judgements upon whether this biographical article meets our criteria for inclusion of biographical articles.  It is not about full disclosure, and is about double standards.  Your argument is employing the very double standard that we shouldn't be employing. Uncle G 11:06, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I have to disagree, Uncle G. While I was dimly aware that there other Wiki sources for this info, WP is the first place I (and I suspect most casual viewers) would look for this information.  It needs to be here to be easily accessible, and I take easy accessibility to be part of full disclosure.  Perhaps you didn't read what I wrote very carefully, but I knew my logic was endorsing a kind of double standard in the interest of this easily accessible, full disclosure.  As with all policies, when there are conflicts of interest, one must decide which one believes to be more fundamental, and I take the view that administrative transparency mildly trumps or, at least, augments this case for, WP:BIO.  In any event, either because you did not read carefully, or because I was unclear, I do feel your tone was unduly harsh. Xoloz 16:11, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * You are arguing on the flawed basis that Wikipedia is, and should be, the primary source for information on the Wikimedia Foundation, to the world and to Wikipedians. Wikipedia is not a primary source, and, as I've already pointed out, there are other wikis for that. Those wikis exist for the very administrative transparency you are looking for.  We aren't here to host and publish primary source material for the Wikimedia Foundation.  Wikipedia is not a hosting service for the Wikimedia Foundation any more than it is a hosting service for anyone else.  It's clear, from the existence of the Foundation's wiki, that the Foundation doesn't expect us to be its hosting service, either.  As I said, whether to have this biographical article in Wikipedia is not a matter of administrative transparency and full disclosure, and is a matter of double standards.  If we had this little information about an executive of any other organization, which was only available from the person's autobiography on that organization's own web site and not verifiable from an independent second source, the consensus to delete would very probably be unanimous.  Uncle G 16:18, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep based upon the comments made by Lord Bob and Rob Church. Hall Monitor 20:10, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, article does not establish notability. Martg76 07:19, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. The text is mostly from the Foundation wiki, which isn't really an external source, so not verifiable. (I voted deleted for Anthere and myself too). Angela. 21:04, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Huh? The point of the externality of sources is whether they are trustworthy; if a source is trustworthy, then the information is verifiable.  Are you suggesting that the Foundation wiki isn't trustworthy? Xoloz 11:49, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * "It is said that his birth was marked by earthquakes, tidal waves, tornadoes, firestorms, the explosion of three neighbouring stars, and, shortly afterwards, by the issuing of over six and three quarter million writs for damages from all of the major landowners in his Galactic sector. However, the only person by whom this is said is Beeblebrox himself, and there are several possible theories to explain this." — Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Fit The Ninth. Looking for multiple independent sources is just as much good encyclopaedism as it is good journalism. The problem with the source is not that it is external.  It is that it is not independent of Tim Shell himself, and is tantamount to autobiography.  As autobiography says, and as the preceding quotation implies, autobiographies have verifiability problems.  Furthermore: They definitely cannot contribute towards notability.  Self-promotion does not automatically make one notable.  Other people have to regard the person as notable.  See above.  Uncle G 16:18, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll respond here to all your points, though some of my counterpoints will be brief. In the case of a Wikimedia board member, WPians are uniquely positioned to maintain a verifiability check on the content that is posted in these articles, as least as it relates to relevant professional details.  Zaphod Beeblebrox' autobio was not subject to Wiki revision; patently false claims are likely to be removed, given the dilligence and active interest of the community in its leaders.
 * As for the rest, I simply disagree that I proceed from a false premise. Experience indicates to me, and the Keep votes here do also, that Wikimedia's board members are more likely to remain unknown if some provision is not made for their information to be listed in article space; if your concern for a double standard is not calmed by a faith in the ability of our board members to be reasonable (and to be overseen by the Wiki editing community), then -- by all means -- tag them with a special disputed tag, highlight them in a caution color, bemark in any appropriate way to suggest that they are different.  In the final analysis, though, I find that their special status within the Wikimedia world creates a special need for WP articles.  I make this finding based on a firm belief that their biographies should be transparent, and that -- without WP articles -- they are not sufficiently so.  Feel free to disagree, but I find the suggestion that my analysis is "false" to be strangely positivistic.  We aren't discussing a bare philosophical theorem.  We are considering alternatives for the priorities of the WP.  You value more the strict enforcement of a guideline; I, an interest in making our leaders' information very easily viewable to even the most casual user.  No one has a "false premise"; these are simply competing values in tension, each value with its own merit to recommend it. Xoloz 05:54, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep CEO of notable company.  Grue  17:20, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, vanity. Meatpuppets-be-gone! —Cryptic (talk) 13:33, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * So who's your meatpuppet, Cryptic? (And are you assuming good faith?  I recognize the user names of every participant in this discussion.)   Un  focused  14:36, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I also recognize the username of everyone who's commented, but only because I happen to frequent the same web site they do. —Cryptic (talk) 14:47, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * So what's the "meatpuppet" comment supposed to mean, then?  Un  focused  14:52, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Compare this debate to Articles for deletion/List of YTMND fads or something similar. I thought Cryptic's comment was rather amusing.  Grue  16:07, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Melania the Younger

Melania the Younger (c. 383 – 31 December 439) is a Christian saint, Desert Mother, and ascetic who lived during the reign of Emperor Honorius, son of Theodosius I. She is the paternal granddaughter of Melania the Elder.

The Feast of Melania the Younger is held on 31 December (the Julian calendar's 31 December falls on 13 January on the Gregorian calendar).

Rome
Melania was the only child of the rich and powerful Valerius Publicola (son of Melania the Elder) and his wife Caeionia Albina, both Christians, of the senatorial Valeria gens family of ancient lineage which was the pride of Rome. Her paternal and maternal relatives had held the highest offices of state with great distinction during the whole of the century, and Melania could even boast of a long line of imperial blood, most recently through Valerius Romulus (r. 308-309).

She was married to her paternal cousin, Valerius Pinianus, at the age of fourteen despite her protests. The 5th-century Melaniae Junioris Vita ("Life of Melania the Younger") says:

"'It was settled that the young couple, scarcely more than children, should reside with Publicola in his palace on the Coelian Hill. This was the cause of much suffering to Melania. Her fervour daily increased, and with it her horror of a life of luxury and sensual ease. Living constantly under her father's watchful eye, she was obliged to comply with his wishes, and to sustain the honour of the family by conforming to all the usages of Roman society. She had to dress with all the splendour befitting a matron of exalted rank, and to make her appearance in public surrounded with much state. All this was so repugnant to the young wife that it caused her real torture. She sought by the most ingenious devices to find an outlet for her spirit of penance and expiation.'"

Melania often pleaded for Pinianus to conform to asceticism so she could maintain her purity for the lord, but Pinianus desired to rather continue the family line. Melania's husband wanted two children, yet they both did not survive. These deaths took a toll on the married couple and encouraged the choice of asceticism. This was especially difficult due to Roman societal standards and the familial patrimony present in Melania and Piniasus's life. Knowing that Melania wanted to practice a celibate lifestyle, her father, near death, asked for forgiveness for pushing the unwanted marriage years prior. Once her father passed, She and her husband embraced Christian asceticism and maintained a celibate life thereafter. As the sole heiress to her father and paternal grandfather, she inherited their wealth and enormous estates on the death of Publicola after 7 years of marriage.

Melania decided to leave the palace for one of her villas in Spring 404. She was encouraged by her grandmother, Melania the Elder, who had also travelled from Jerusalem and held strong ascetic beliefs. Ascetics, and early Christian leaders believed that denying oneself worldly pleasures and desires was essential for spiritual growth and closeness to God. Her dislike of rich apparel had caused her suffering during her father's life, yet now led her to give away her silken robes as church altarcloths, including her gold ornaments, and everything that was rich and costly in her wardrobe. She demonstrated no desire of worldly possessions by wearing a garment of cheap, coarse wool, and fashioned rather to hide and disfigure her womanly form. She took a great number of poor families and slaves with her to her villa, whom she treated as brothers and sisters. Such actions were the result of asceticism.

The villa of the Valerii was supposedly of enormous size, as it was large enough to lodge the immense number of people whom Melania took with her from Rome. This, as we gather from bishop Palladius, consisted of fifteen eunuchs, sixty young girls who were vowed to virginity, other free-born women, slaves, and more than thirty families who had followed Pinianus in his new mode of life. In addition to these regular guests, Melania's country house afforded hospitality to the pilgrims to Rome.Within existed numerous deputations of bishops and priests, who received every mark of honour and respect in the end of 404 and the beginning of 405, to plead the cause of John Chrysostom with Pope Innocent I. She dispensed lavish hospitality and spared no expense in the entertainment of her guests. Palladius speaks thankfully of the respectful welcome with which he was given during his sojourn, and of the large sum of money presented to him on his departure in February 406. She decided to dispose of her vast estates and give the proceeds to ecclesiastical institutions and to the poor. This caused surprise and contempt amongst the Roman aristocracy who regarded the couple as lunatics. Some of their relatives considered that they now had an opportunity to enrich themselves extravagantly by taking advantage of the simplicity and inexperience of the couple. Melania's appeal to "Queen" Serena and Emperor Honorius led him to order every province that their possessions should be sold at the responsibility of the governors and public administrators, and that they be responsible for the remittance of the price to the couple.

The sale of such enormous estates inevitably took several years to complete as even the smallest of Melania's properties yielded an income of abundant amount. Part of their estates remained unsold at the end of 408 due to the invasion of the Goths and siege of Rome. Their opponents contrived to take advantage of the critical state of affairs, with the secret co-operation of the senate, by confiscating the remaining estates to the Treasury. They were supported in their plot by the prefect, Pompeianus, and the bill of confiscation had already been drafted. However, on the day when it was to be proclaimed by the prefect, the people rose in rebellion due to the shortage of bread. They seized Pompeianus, dragged him through the streets, and put him to death in the centre of the city.

Not even the wealthiest Roman patricians had enough cash to buy Melania's properties. The eventual purchasers were unable to pay the full price at once, so the owners were obliged to accept promissory notes. Melania's palace on the Caelian Hill, which she was the most anxious to dispose of, was magnificent and contained an accumulation of riches so great that it was impossible to find a purchaser. It remained unsold, and in 410, after being pillaged by Alaric's barbarian hordes and partly destroyed by fire, it was given away for nothing.

Sicily and Africa
Melania and Pinianus left Rome in 408 with her mother Albina and Rufinus of Aquileia, an old friend of the family, to live a monastic life near Messina (Sicily) for two years. They resided in the magnificent villa (probably Pistunina) that they owned on the western shore of the straits, opposite Reggio Calabria, surrounded beautifully by both sea and land.

Meanwhile Melania was occupied in disposing of her remaining property, the proceeds of which she distributed in alms and other donations. After the taking of Rome by Alaric I, the invaders marched upon Southern Italy, and destroyed Reggio. Melania witnessed the fires from across the straits.

Fear of the invaders drove Melania to seek a safer refuge. Africa was regarded as a safe haven by many Roman families who had already emigrated to Carthage. Having sold many of her possessions in Italy and Sicily and after the death of Rufinus in 410, they decided to travel to Africa. Before true departure, they attempted to visit Paulinus of Nola, but according to Gerontius of Jerusalem, a storm forced the ship to an unnamed island (probably Lipari) that had been ravaged by pirates who held inhabitants for ransom. Melania ransomed the islanders with her own money. Finally, they continued directly to Africa, where they befriended the great Augustine of Hippo and devoted themselves to a life of piety and charitable works.

Rather than in a city such as Carthage or Hippo, they chose to live in relative calm at their estate, near Tagaste in present Algeria. The estate was of such extent and importance as to include two episcopal sees, one belonging to the Catholic Church, the other to the Donatists. Some of the rooms of the villa were "filled with gold". Alypius was the famous bishop there with whom they became friends and had close relations with Paulinus and Augustine. Alypus had helped establish Augustine's first monastery in Africa. The church in Tagaste had been very poor but Melania furnished it with gold and silver cups, and with altar-cloths richly embroidered in gold and thickly sewn with pearls. She endowed this church with extensive property including a large part of the town itself. On the advice of the principal bishops Augustine, Alypius, and Aurelius of Carthage, she was also generous to the other churches and monasteries in Africa She assigned a regular income to make them independent of precarious alms-giving.

They stayed for seven years and founded a convent for the consecrated virgins who were once her slaves, yet treated as her sisters. Melania became Mother Superior, and also founded a cloister of which Pinianus took charge.

In the so-called Pinain affair, Melania's mother Albina wrote to Augustine asking him to visit them, but he would not leave his church. As a result, Albina, Alypus, Melania and Pinianus travelled to him in Hippo. Once there, the frenzied congregation demanded that Pinianus be ordained as priest of Hippo and forced him to swear that he would remain there. Augustine threatened that he would leave as bishop.

She practiced severe penance and wore haircloth, and at night she snatched brief rest on the hard ground as her bed. Her diet consisted of herbs or vegetables prepared with a little oil.

Palestine
In 417, they travelled to Palestine by way of Alexandria. In Palestine, they lived in a hermitage near the Mount of Olives, where Melania founded a second convent. After the death of Pinianus c. 420, Melania built a cloister for men, and a church, where she spent the remainder of her life.

Properties
Melania had "vast domains in Sicily" and also held land in Britain which she disposed of only a year or two before the Roman legions were withdrawn. She also owned grand estates in Iberia, Africa, Numidia, Mauretania and Italy. Gerontius describes her estate in Sicily as follows:

"'On one side lay the sea and on the other some woodland containing a variety of animals and game, so that when she was bathing in the pool she could see ships passing by and game animals in the woods... the property [also] included sixty large houses, each of them with four hundred agricultural slaves.'"

Legacy
Today, the town of Sainte-Mélanie in Canada is named in her honour.

Hagiography
An account of Melania's pursuit of the ascetic life survives in a hagiography or biography, written by Gerontius c. 452.

Further, there is an account of her life by Palladius (d. A.D. 431) as well.

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Rivers School

The Rivers School is an independent, coeducational preparatory school in Weston, Massachusetts.

History
Rivers School was founded in 1915 as an educational institution for boys in Brookline, Massachusetts. Robert W. Rivers founded the school and was its first headmaster. The Country Day School for Boys of Boston merged with Rivers in 1940, and the school moved to its present location in Weston in 1960. It became co-educational in 1989.

The Rivers School Conservatory
The Rivers School Conservatory was founded in 1975 by Ethel Bernard, one of the pioneers of the music school movement. She approached Rivers School with the idea of using the then-unoccupied former headmaster's house on the campus (now called Blackwell House after George H. Blackwell).

It was first called the Music School at Rivers, then Rivers School Conservatory. In 1978, the Annual Seminar on Contemporary Music for the Young was established, with guests including John Cage (1983). All pieces performed are composed in the 25-years prior to each seminar. Recent examples include Matinee: The Fantom of the Fair by Libby Larsen.

The Conservatory currently has more than 750 students, including a student orchestra program, jazz and chamber ensembles, music theory and composition, a marimba program,  choruses, master classes, workshops, and private lessons for instruments, piano, and voice.

Clubs and co-curriculars

 * The robotics team Architects competed in the FIRST Tech Challenge, under the team number 4176.

Notable alumni

 * Jack Lemmon ’39, actor
 * John T. Noonan, Jr. '44, United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit senior judge
 * David Steinberg '46, Distinguished Professor of Asian Studies at Georgetown University School of Foreign Service
 * Frederick Wiseman '47, documentary filmmaker
 * David Lamb '51, reporter for major newspapers including The Milwaukee Journal and The Los Angeles Times
 * Glen W. Bowersock ’53, ancient history scholar at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton.
 * Richard G. Darman ’60, former director of the Office of Management and Budget (1989–1993)
 * David Sutherland '63, award-winning independent documentary filmmaker
 * Joseph I. Banner ’71, former CEO of the Cleveland Browns and longtime front office executive in the Philadelphia Eagles organization
 * Philip Goldberg '74, The US Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence and Research
 * Josh Kraft '85, CEO of the Boys and Girls Clubs of Boston and President of the New England Patriots Charitable Foundation
 * Jon Anik '97, commentator and television host for the Ultimate Fighting Championship
 * Stephen Belichick, Outside Linebackers Coach for the New England Patriots
 * Jillian Dempsey ’09, professional ice hockey player
 * Charlie Rugg '09, Professional Soccer Player for the Los Angeles Galaxy
 * Elliot Richardson, lawyer and member of Nixon and Ford cabinets
 * Jermaine Samuels ’17, professional basketball player

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Bruiser (2000 film)

Bruiser is a 2000 French-Canadian horror-thriller film written and directed by George A. Romero and starring Jason Flemyng, Peter Stormare and Leslie Hope. Bruiser was filmed in Toronto.

Plot
Henry Creedlow is a creative director for Bruiser, a successful magazine firm, who lives an unhappy life. His high-strung, contemptuous wife Janine is indifferent to him which leads to him having fantasies about suicide. Henry meets with his best friend, Jimmy Larson on their way to work downtown. While trying to board a train, Henry fantasizes about killing a woman who pushes him. In a conference at Bruiser headquarters where everyone is meeting to decide which model should be on the magazine's latest issue, Henry's sleazy and reprehensible boss, Milo Styles, mocks Henry's choice in front of him and his co-workers.

That Saturday, there is a party for the workers at Milo and his wife Rosie's house. Henry has a plaster mold of his face made by Rosie, who designs masks in her spare time. Rosie finishes the mask and adds it to her "garden of lost souls" in the backyard. She asks Henry to paint a design on the featureless mask, but Henry cannot think of anything to draw. Henry sees Milo and Janine across the pool in a very intimate moment.

While driving home later that evening, Henry confronts Janine about what he saw. Janine hardly seems to care and she tells the distraught Henry that he is weak-willed and a pushover. When they arrive home, Henry has another fantasy about killing Janine.

Henry wakes up the next morning, and is shocked when he sees that his entire face has transformed into a white, featureless mask. When Henry tries removing it he cuts himself. Henry hides when Katie, his once-a-week maid, arrives to clean the house. Henry watches the maid as she fills her bag with silver and other items from his house. Henry reveals himself and confronts her about stealing. Henry attacks and beats her to death with the bag filled with stolen silver items.

Henry follows his wife to the office and spots her and Milo having sex. Rosie bursts into the conference room and photographs them. When Milo chases his wife out of the building when Rosie tells Milo that she intends to leave him, Henry sneaks into the conference room where he reveals his new blank face to his wife. He wraps an extension cord around her neck and pushes her out a window, strangling her.

Milo gives a statement to Detective McCleary. Henry eludes the police and goes home. He hides from the cops again when they come to his front door to look for him to deliver the news of his wife's murder, after making it appear that he possibly killed himself.

That afternoon, Henry visits Jimmy and, holding him at gunpoint, reveals the business account papers which show that Jimmy has been pilfering money out of Henry's bank accounts and mutual funds for two years. Jimmy tells Henry that it was Janine's idea to steal Henry's money so she could squander it on herself. Jimmy reveals that Janine has been cheating on Henry with him too. Jimmy suddenly pulls out a gun from his briefcase and tries to kill Henry. Henry fires back, fatally wounding Jimmy in the chest.

Henry calls The Larry Case Show, a popular radio program, and tells the host that he is 'Faceless' and has murdered three people. After listening to some advice from Larry Case, Henry decides that he needs to eradicate all the people from his life who wronged and betrayed him if he is to get his face back.

Henry attends Milo's Halloween costume party, dressed as Zorro wearing a black cape along with his white mask. Rosie is also there and is being tailed by Detective McCleary, who thinks that she either killed Janine or hired someone to kill her. Henry assembles a group of men from the office and lures Milo to a second floor balcony. There Henry tells his mean and ungrateful boss that he has set him up for a "grand finale". Milo is raised overhead on wires and Henry aims a strong laser at Milo, which kills him. As Henry walks away, his face returns to normal. He is spotted by Detective McCleary who moves in to apprehend him. However, Rosie shows up in a Zorro costume with a white mask on and yells at McCleary that she is the killer. Henry bids Rosie farewell and escapes into the crowd.

Some years later, a long-haired Henry is now working as an office messenger in another city. Henry passes by an office where an angry and loathsome executive is yelling at several people. After the man screams at Henry, he turns around... and his blank, anonymous, faceless white mask has returned.

Soundtrack
The score was composed by Donald Rubinstein and the soundtrack features the horror punk band The Misfits.

Release
The film premiered on 13 February 2000 in Canada and was directly released to DVD in the United States on 9 October 2001.

Reception
Critical reception for Bruiser has been mixed to positive. Film review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes reported an approval rating of 67%, based on 9 reviews, with a rating average of 6/10.

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The Bogus Witch Project

The Bogus Witch Project is a 2000 American parody film directed by Victor Kargan and starring Pauly Shore. It satirizes The Blair Witch Project. It uses different tellings of the Blair Witch, such as The Blair Underwood Project. The film was released direct-to-DVD on October 10, 2000.

Cast

 * Pauly Shore - Host
 * The Griffith Witch Project
 * Steve Agee
 * Kelly Aluise (credited as Kelly Anne Conroy)
 * The Bel Air Witch Project
 * Jenna Leigh Green
 * The Willy Witch Projects
 * Susan Johnson

Reception
The Bogus Witch Project received negative reviews from critics. The film holds a 0% approval rating on Rotten Tomatoes, based on five reviews with an average rating of 1.14/10.

Alex Sandell of Juicy Cerebellum commented: "How could Pauly Shore get worse?!? Seriously. How???" while Bobby Ludbrook called it "one of the worst spoofs i have ever seen", and Clint Morris of Moviehole suggested to "take this out to the woods, bury it and be done with it".

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Talk:Sleeping Beauty (1959 film)

Clyde Geronimi, Hamilton Luske, and Wolfgang Reitherman
Why didn't Hamilton Luske direct this film if he directed the previous four Disney Animation Cannon films along w/ Wilfred Jackson and Clyde Geronimi? I think Wilfred Jackson was replaced by Wolfgang Reitherman from then on. I know that Jackson was replaced by Eric Larson as director & that Eric Larson was replaced by Clyde according to references on the article for this movie in the production delays part of the Production section but again, the latter of the four was already a director of the previous three films from Walt Disney Animation Studios (then Walt Disney Productions). I wonder why Wolfgang Reitherman was chosen. Evope (talk) 17:24, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know about the internal politics of the Disney studio at the time. But the only directorial credit of Hamilton Luske in the late 1950s was Donald in Mathmagic Land (1959).

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Talk:Warhammer (game)

Warhammer Fantasy/ Warhammer Fantasy Battle
I'm confused. What's the difference between this article and Warhammer Fantasy? Sure, the beginning of the other article says that "warhammer is a setting" and this article says that "warhammer is a game". If this is true, I'm going to suggest either re-labling the articles as "Warhammer (Setting)" "Warhammer (Game)"

My Vote is that we have it organized like this :

Warhammer (Company, which includes list of games owned by GW) Then we can have: warhammer (game) warhammer (setting) (this can include links to other games like mordheim Then we have seperate articles on each minor game, or one list of them.

It seems like this would GREATLY add to the cleaning up of the warhammer articles on wikipedia, which in my opinion are disorganized and terrible.

For Example, I Made a major contribution to the wood elves article, and the article has remained basically the same as i left it (last year). When I have time, I will crusade to clean up the warhammer articles. But until then, this article either needes to be renamed, moved, or merged. I'm going to add the 'merge' tag until i get a response.

EDIT: I move WHF to WHF (setting) MYSELF! Go look at the talk page for Warhammer Fantasy (setting)

Reply 16/06/24: Agreed that the current layout of articles is exceptionally confusing and not very useful for anyone wanting to find out what Warhammer is.

The key issue here seems to be that the Warhammer (game) article is mistaken. There is no game system called Warhammer. It is incredibly misleading for a lay audience to direct any query on the Warhammer hobby or game system to an article about the Warhammer Fantasy Battle game.

Instead, there should be a general intro page called something like 'Warhammer (game franchise)' that gives a general overview of the entire Warhammer hobby, it's themes and focus, and then a list of individual games.

This article should be retitled something like 'Warhammer Fantasy Battle / The Old World'

Source

 * https://web.archive.org/web/20160322193522/http://scans.roushimsx.com/CGSP_1995_07_pg018.jpg
 * https://web.archive.org/web/20160322191718/http://scans.roushimsx.com/CGSP_1995_07_pg019.jpg

Merge Proposal
I propose merging Warhammer Fantasy (setting) into this page. There is obvious overlap.

Earlier this year, 40K consolidated most of their setting pages onto their main page, and the result is a far more rational encyclopaedic entry. I think this would be particularly helpful to newcomers, especially with the pending re-release of WHFB.

Please indicate whether you support or oppose below, and why. Thank you. Riposte97 (talk) 00:22, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose: A merge is not necessary because this article is well sourced and has potential for improvement. 2601:240:E200:3B60:E0FD:4466:64:7446 (talk) 11:06, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose: The setting of the table top wargame is shared with the pen-and-paper role-playing game, and there is nothing wrong with keeping a separate article on the setting, which then both Warhammer Fantasy Battle and Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay can reference (not to speak of the slew of video games). CapnZapp (talk) 14:29, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose: The setting is used for multiple types of Warhammer media and not just Warhammer (game). My major caveat is that Warhammer Fantasy (setting) needs major clean up in order to stand alone; in terms of improvement, Publication history and Reception sections should be added with secondary sources and the unsourced fictional elements should be trimmed (while neither Forgotten Realms nor Multiverse (Magic: The Gathering) is perfect, they do showcase how you can have a standalone setting article). While I often to do cleanup projects, I don't have time for this one. Sariel Xilo (talk) 16:22, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

"Warhammer (game" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Warhammer_(game&redirect=no Warhammer (game] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:16, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trevor the vengeful

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was speedy delete. Jkelly 21:10, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Trevor the vengeful
Not enough context. The series is a redlinked so I can't tell if it is anime, computer game or what. Google gets less than ten distinct hits for "Trevor the vengeful" and most are wikipedia. Non-notable. My first thought was to contact the contributor and ask for additional information but it's an IP with only one contribution. RJFJR 01:42, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Nothing to tell what the character is or what the game is. - Sensor 03:29, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete NN --Rogerd 05:30, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. If the series itself doesn't have an article, then neither should its main character. — J I P | Talk 11:49, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as a very short article with little or no context. Added the tag. Jkelly 16:16, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Dragnet (album)

I've put a citation request on the line concerning the NME's top 100 of '85. I do remember the album being pictured in the article with a caption along the lines of "out of the chart due to the curse of quality" and the article explaining that The Fall received more votes than many artists who were in the chart but that these had been spread over 5 or so different albums, hence their omission. However, I do not recall the article explicitly stating that Dragnet was the highest placed of these or a statement that the record had been very close to the top 100. That said, I was 12 at time and my memory could well be cloudier than I might hope. Ac@osr 10:50, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, what happened was this. NME published the 100, then over the page they published "The Next Ten" (which also included things like Climate of Hunter and Marcus Garvey). Dragnet was in there, and was pictured on the page. I don't remember what number it was - that's the problem.

Ah, I see. Don't remember that. Do we have the publication date? Ac@osr 16:49, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Dragnet.jpg
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Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

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Art punk
What kind of unsatisfying sexual intercourse did Mr. Smith have to be blamed by his partner for being art punk? Mighty... --Bernd.Brincken (talk) 23:32, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Grotesque (After the Gramme)

WMC Blob 59
The Fall certainly played in a lot of working men's clubs, much of Totale's Turns being recorded there.

The lyrics of WMC Blob 59 are not tremendously clear, but there is no reference anywhere to menstrual cycles. "On the blob" does have this slang meaning, but the word "blob" is not used in the lyrics as far as I can make out.

WMC is not a known acronym for "Women's Menstrual Cycles", which in itself is not a phrase in common usage. It seems almost oxymoronic.

Finally, there's certainly no citation for this.

I don't want to replace what I believe to be speculation with my own speculation, but I'd suggest that the Fall recorded a number of gigs at working men's clubs, and labelled bits of the recordings in this way. "Blob 59" has the authentic ring, to me, of a note on a tape.

I'm opening the discussion. If there's no response or no argument I'll change the text to something less speculative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HenryPhillips (talk • contribs) 18:10, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

No response so made simple change removing speculation. HenryPhillips (talk) 16:09, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

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Ryan Catholic College

Ryan Catholic College is a combined, co-educational, primary and secondary school in what is now the City of Townsville, Queensland, Australia. It was established by the Roman Catholic Diocese of Townsville in 1979. Ryan is the largest catholic school in Townsville.

It currently has over 1900 enrolments and employs approximately 200 teachers. It is unique in the fact that students are not required to address their teachers by their prefixes and last names. The students commonly address their respective teachers by their first names. Ryan Catholic College is broken up into 2 campuses with a junior school on the smaller campus, with the middle and senior schools located on the main (Ryan) campus.

A new two-storey building was constructed throughout 2007 on the main campus. The building houses classrooms, toilets, showers and a staffroom. The building replaces the former 'temporary' I block, which has been moved and now functions as a permanent set of classrooms.

In 2011, the college opened the Emmaus Hall.

There is a new library that was built in 2018 and finished around November 2019 which houses state of the art buildings for all children and teachers.

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Talk:Slates (EP)

"'Middle Mass' was in part a play on George Eliot's 1871 novel Middlemarch."

Nonsense! It simply means "the mass of middle-of-the-road/middle class" people. Mark.E.Smith has actually said that it was intended as a dig against former Fall guitarist Marc Riley. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.225.149.5 (talk) 12:12, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

 * Source? --Dannyno (talk) 07:25, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

How come that needs a source, but the original pile of crap about Middlemass being a play on George Eliot doesn't need any source at all? You will not find ANYTHING written ANYWHERE where MES makes any comment about George Eliot, or Middlemarch. Just because it has the word "Middle" at the start of the word, what the hell does that have to do with anything? Twats. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.157.62 (talk) 16:44, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Title of record
Surely "Slates, Slags, Etc" refers to the song, not the album title?88.23.98.107 (talk) 07:44, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

 * I've moved it back and undone the incorrect changes to the article. The title is indeed "Slates".   If the editor who made the move wishes to discuss, by all means do so here. --Dannyno (talk) 07:16, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

UK Independent Album Chart
"However, it was included in the UK Independent Album chart, where it reached No. 3."

No it wasn't. It was included in the UK Independent Singles chart, where it reached no. 3. I've corrected the article and sourced the information. --Dannyno (talk) 07:29, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Hex Enduction Hour

Brian Edge
Most of Edge's coverage of the album is taken from a 1981 Colin Irwin article for Melody Maker found here. Reynolds also heavily relies on it, though he acknowledges this (the two are friends). Ceoil (talk) 22:39, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Recorded in 1982?
Both the lede and the 'Background and recording' section state that the band recorded songs in Iceland on the 1982 visit. Surely this was in 1981 when they toured Iceland, and if they agreed with Kamera to record the album, surely that was also in 1981 rather than 1982 as stated at the start of the latter section? The infobox already states that it was recorded in 1981 (they finished it in December at the Regal). --Michig (talk) 12:57, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

The article also says that it was a two-concert visit to Iceland. They didn't play in Iceland in 1982, they played there in September 1981 for three shows, at two different venues in Reykjavik. --Michig (talk) 19:21, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for spotting; corrected now. Ceoil (talk) 19:35, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Front page?
Has this been a front page feature yet? - David Gerard (talk) 14:18, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * No, but you are welcome to make the suggestion at the request page :) Ceoil (talk) 21:28, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Colin Wilson
The article reads that the song Who Makes the Nazis refers to Colin Wilson, but I don't see anywhere in the lyrics that does; Deer Park, however, does ("This is where C Wilson wrote Ritual in the Dark") http://annotatedfall.doomby.com/pages/the-annotated-lyrics/deer-park.html I'm not removing the reference since it's sourced, and I can't check the source (Britton, Amy. Revolution Rock: The Albums Which Defined Two Ages. London: AuthorHouse, 2007. ISBN 978-1-4678-8710-6;  p. 48) but it looks incorrect.Xelkman (talk) 00:12, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Britton mentions Deer Park, accurately. The citation is wrong. Dannyno (talk) 17:05, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Have a Bleedin Guess
Just a note to remind everyone that this article needs reviewing in the light of the publication of Paul Hanley's book about the album, Have a Bleedin Guess. --Dannyno (talk) 23:08, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

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Ingrid Bengis

Ingrid Bengis was born in 1944 in New York City and died of cancer in 2017 in Stonington, Maine. She was a writer and a business woman who received her undergraduate degree from Columbia University in 1970. She usually lived in Stonington, Maine, but also taught twentieth century American literature at the University of St. Petersburg, in St. Petersburg, Russia (where Alexander Pushkin and Vladimir Putin both studied). She was married to a Russian ballet dancer and has one daughter and one stepson.

Writer
She is best known for her pioneering collection of essays on love, hate and sexuality, Combat in the Erogenous Zone, (Knopf 1972). The book received critical acclaim and was nominated for a National Book Award. The New York Times Book Review said, "It must be read and it must be taken seriously if human sexuality is ever going to live up to its notices" while Newsweek called it "a remarkable book...that has probably moved both women and men on a deeper level than any other document of the new feminism". It was reissued in 1990 after Martin Duberman, writing in The Village Voice asked, "Where is this astonishing writer? Why has she dropped from sight". The reissue by HarperCollins included a new introduction by Duberman, in which he wrote, "(Bengis) was only twenty eight when the book was published, but had lived so intensely and could describe her experiences so freshly...that her ruminations about love, hate and sex struck many of us who were older than she as astonishingly vivid and wise. Nearly twenty years later, they still do." Among the most frequently cited quotes from the book are "Imagination has always had powers of resurrection that no science can match" and "For me, words are a form of action, capable of influencing change", quoted by Barack Obama in one of his 2008 campaign speeches.

In 2003, Farrar, Straus & Giroux, North Point Press published Bengis' book Metro Stop Dostoyevsky: Travels in Russian Time which takes place in Russia between 1990-1996. Naively in love with Russia and Russian literature, she settled in St. Petersburg in 1990 as the Soviet Union was collapsing, and quickly became immersed in "catastroika", a period of immense turmoil that mirrored her own increasingly complex and contradictory experience. Her friendship with a Russian woman whose marriage is also falling apart, reflects the social tumult, as well as the sometimes dangerous consequences, of American good intentions. It was hailed by Kurt Vonnegut as "the most sane and intelligent book anyone could possibly write about what it is like to be an American or a Russian at the start of the new millennium," and Norman Mailer said "There is so much to praise about Metro Stop Dostoyevsky that I will content myself with but one remark. I read it all in something approaching whole pleasure, and how often can we make such a claim?"

She is also the author of a novel, I Have Come here to be Alone, Simon & Schuster, 1977 and a contributor to many magazines and journals. Her work has been translated into six languages, most recently Russian, where her essay Home: Variations on a Theme appeared in the highly respected literary magazine Zvezda.

Business Woman
Ingrid Bengis founded Ingrid Bengis Seafood in 1985 and owned and managed the establishment for 30 years. She developed a special connection between the fishermen of Maine and the elite chefs of the United States. Chefs with whom she worked included Thomas Keller, Jean-Georges Vongerichten, and Dan Barber.

Quotes by Ingrid Bengis
'Words are a form of action, capable of influencing change'

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Talk:Room to Live

The exact personnel for each track on this album has been the subject of some speculation due to Smith's comments regarding the recording. This is my opinion based on a close examination of the album. It presumes that the speedy recording left little time for overdubbing.

 * Joker Hysterical Face - MES - voice, CS - guitar, MR -guitar, SH - bass, KB - drums, PH - drums
 * Marquis Cha-Cha - MES - voice, CS - guitar, SH - bass, KB - drums, percussion (possibly PH - drums but to these ears, it sounds more like a double tracked Burns)
 * Hard Life In Country - MES - voice, CS - guitar, MR - guitar, KB - guitar, Arthur Kadmon - guitar, SH - bass, PH - kick drum, cymbals
 * Room To Live - MES - voice, CS - guitar, MR - guitar, SH - bass, Adrian Niman - sax, PH - drums. (only appears to be one drummer on this track and the style is much more of PH than KB)
 * Detective Instinct - MES - voice, SH - bass (on grounds of probability - doesn't really sound like him but as he is co-writer, it would be likely he would assume his usual role), CS - guitar, KB - guitar, MR - guitar (probably - there certainly appear to be 3 guitars on the track), PH - drums
 * Solicitor In Studio - MES - voice, CS - guitar, MR - keyboard, KB - lead bass, feedback SH - bass, PH - drums (film footage exists of the group performing this song and it confims this line-up)
 * Papal Visit - MES - voice, violin, (tapes?) KB - guitar, drums, (percussion?)

Any advance? Ac@osr 09:40, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I've not listened to this record for a while. Do you know of any reliable sources that back up your theory? Either way, we can't put our own speculation in the article (see No original research); we're only here to report what other people say. Flowerparty ☀ 23:18, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

 * MES made various contemporaneous remarks in the press regarding the recording of this album, the salient points being quoted by either Daryl Easlea in his 2005 reissue sleevenote, or by Simon Ford in "Hip Priest" whilst Mick Middles details Arthur Kadmon's brief spell in the group in his book w/MES. As a result of these remarks (and the presumption that, being contemporaneous, MES is reliable - if he'd made the comments any more than a couple of years later, I'd discount them), there has been some speculation over the years as to who plays what on which track. As speculation doesn't belong in the article itself, I though it might be worthwhile to put up an opinion (which is based on a close examination of the record) and see if anyone had a different or more informed answer. If it's not appropriate for the "Talk" page either, I'll remove it. Ac@osr 08:25, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Arthur Kadmon's Fall tenure, in his book The Big Midweek (published 2014) Steve Hanley gives an account of the session for "Hard Life In Country" which suggests that he played at least a complete take:

''"Just get on with it, Steve. What are you being so precious about? It's only one song." And off she goes. Well, this is going to look great when Marc and Craig turn up. Me, treacherous bastard, playing bass with some new age numpty.

''It's not as if he uses the opportunity to do anything interesting with a guitar. It's just his bit of sideways funk, Karl and Paul playing the odd game of cymbal-tennis and Mark ranting. The song's sounding shite. There's nothing on it that anybody couldn't do.

''When Marc and Craig arrive it's nearly finished. I stand there looking embarrassed, with what I'm hoping is a "What-the-hell-was-I-supposed-to-do?" look on my face.

''It's not long before Kadmon gets hustled out by Kay. While she's removing him, Craig and Marc are demanding to know what's happened.''

He also says that "Marquis Cha Cha" featured just himself, MES and Karl Burns. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.45.235 (talk) 21:24, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

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Icy Creek, Victoria

Icy Creek is a locality in Victoria, Australia, located on Mount Baw Baw Road, in the Shire of Baw Baw at an elevation of 547 m above sea level.

Icy Creek Post Office opened on 1 December 1934 and closed in 1968.

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Talk:This Nation's Saving Grace

Things
Few things BLZ that we need to resolve
 * I don't want this to be a long and padded out article; it is what it is, and in the context of the nr of copies it sold, should be short and (bitter)sweet. For eg the background is largely fine as is...Hanley went on leave, Brix took over, she basically plays bass lines on guitar but they are friends now and he speaks warmly of her in his autobio. The end. Similarly, the album should be seen in the continuum of their constant and demanding recording/touring workload, and not as an event. So there is no "aftermath", or even "legacy" -ie the album is a snapshot of the song they happened to be writing at at the time, although given it was her first shining moment, its more coherent than most of their others (first album syndrome)
 * I tend to agree about trying to keep excess fat trimmed. Reception-wise, tons of consensus that "it was relatively accessible, but still weird", and hard to say much more. I also agree "Legacy" is probably the wrong word—too grandiose and Sgt. Pepper's-y for an album like TNSG—but "Influence" might be better? There are many musicians who have cited TNSG as a special favorite. But yeah, in the slipstream of the band's history it was just another timecard dutifully punched for MES & Co.

 * Workshare....I am already spending quite a bit of my allowance from wifey on subs to jstor and achedimia.com, so can't splash out on rocksbackpages etc, but have a bot of books, so suggest that - broadly, while building it up- I focus on background and music/lyrics, and you look after assessment. Alternatively, you could copy paste the better articles into a sandbox. I would be especially interested in Pouncey, Edwin. Sounds, 28 September 1985 and Haslam, Dave. City Life, 18 July 1986
 * I agree this is a good general split. I do have a paperback copy of Brix's book on-hand, so I can cite to that by page number (looks like you may be citing to an ebook edition). I have free access to Rock's Backpages via the The Wikipedia Library (btw you should seriously consider applying for the Wikipedia Library, you should be eligible [over-qualified, even] and the base membership gets you access to JSTOR and way more for free, some additional databases like Rock's Backpages require further applications but it's an amazing program).Re: Dave Haslam in City Life, there's a scan at TheFall.org; I've cited it in the article.Unfortunately, the Sounds review is absent from Rock's Backpages, and there isn't really much else pertinent to TNSG that I could find there. Looks like the Sounds citation was by —Holiday, do you have the Sounds review text for This Nation's Saving Grace? Would be super helpful here :)

 * I'm finding the lead increably difficult to write, can you take a look please. It might be worth mentioning that it was a (relatively) breakthrough in the US, and they toured to larger crowds after
 * Happy to do so, though I usually prefer to write the lede last, once the article body is more settled. Related: seems like quite probably a good idea to add a section on the tour/promotion.

 * We have a mixture of citation styles - ie articles cited using templates (blz) or hard coding (me), suggest we move to snf, as used on Spiderland. Thats a big job, so lets agree here first
 * I agree—I've found that style to be more organized/easier to manage tbh. Cuts down on I'm happy to make the switch too, as I know you find the template coding tedious (and don't fault you one iota for that), while I find that sort of chore enjoyable in an oddly Zen way.

 * I only have "The Rise, The Fall, and The Rise" on kindle so no page numbers. I gather you have a physical copy, so can you add page numbers pls.
 * Aye aye! I've been meaning to get around to this.

 * Thats it, all seems to be going well so far, nobody messing up the paintwork. Ceoil (talk) 11:12, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Smooth sailing so far! One last note, relating to TheFall.org: I came across an MES encyclopedic entry, published just two months ago, in the Oxford National Dictionary of Biography (another database I've got access to via the Wikipedia Library, btw). It's a nice-enough bio, but what I found most immediately interesting is that its bibliography cites TheFall.org. My gut feeling is: sure, it's a "fan site" at first blush and theoretically anathema to Wikipedia—but if it's good enough for the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, surely it's good enough for Wikipedia? I mean the parts of the site like its discography, gigography, news updates etc. Further endorsements of its institutional nature and reliability come courtesy of Record Collector magazine and the academic anthology Mark E. Smith and the Fall: Art, Music and Politics (2010). I think it'd be fine to cite to it attributing Stefan Cooke and Conway Paton as the editors. I'm not champing at the bit to cite to any particular page right away, but figured I'd run this by you as the de facto founder and presiding officer of the surreptitiously organized The Fall WikiProject—could be useful elsewhere too. —blz 2049 ➠ ❏ 08:35, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

 * there is also this which he has been publishing piecemeal on his website and will soon be a book. It’s by far the best analysis have read so far and will start adding from soon. Ceoil (talk) 10:36, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Major break in the case: a Fall fan posted Chris Roberts's Sounds review on Twitter. I've also gone ahead and transcribed it—check the hidden code between the two dividing lines below. —blz 2049 ➠ ❏ 23:05, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * MES praised the TheFall.org a few times in 2000s interviews, chucking at their guess as the lyrics, unusually a bit flattered at the hardcore-ness (see also interview with Stewart Lee), and I suspect leading expert Steve Pringle was a driving force there. If you bear with the threads, those guys go deep, require sources, and I reckon have a fairly heavy moderation policy, ie back up what you say or we will tear you apart. But its not good enough for us @ FAC alas as they are not proffessional editors. I use it for direction, believe it about 95%, and its excellent for pointing towards the orig sources. To reiterate again, the FALL in Fives is way beyond the best analysis have read, and now that he has been endorsed by the Hanley Brothers and Brix, its a new dawn in explaining why they was so important. Ceoil (talk) 22:54, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

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College rock? The Fall? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.168.41 (talk) 22:05, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Art punk? The Fall? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.112.206.26 (talk) 19:05, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

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My source for this page is my copy of Combat in the Erogenous Zone and what little I could find on the Internet. Alan Nicoll 01:44, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

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Add imdb.com to the refferences list
Add imdb.com to the refernces list because some parts in the article I added which are 3 shows in the In Televsion section of the article whith the episodes they have featuring Aspen starting with The Simpsons Episode and ending with Destination Tennis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greshthegreat (talk • contribs) 22:46, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

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 * Need some verbiage about 10th Mountain Division

I'm removing it from the article and placing it here, a more appropriate location. --Wolf530 01:45, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Sardy Field
Sardy Field is Colorado's third largest airport.-- Surely this is a typo, right? Maybe it's Aspen's third largest employer??Mattbucher 18:30, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Wealth
How can you guys make a page on Aspen Colorado without serious reference of what makes it such a unique place: how incredibly rich the population (especially touring population) is? It should really be mentioned that Aspen has become synonoymous with excessive wealth and egoism in this country, as shown in such films as Dumb and Dumber, and by the number of people like Kenneth Lay and Abramoff (I think) who've had houses there. Also, The Aspen Institute, Aspen Music Festival, and Aspen Film Festival should definitely be mentioned. Also, it could be mentioned that the world's most expensive house is there, I think (I bet the top five), some behemoth for which the land itself cost $125 million I think. At any rate, in an attempt at objectivity, I suppose, the wealth issue here seems to have been completely ignored.

Real-estate
I think this section needs to be updated because due to the recent recession,the real-estate market has fallen dramatically. The Juan And Only Mac (talk) 04:25, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Map point in info box
If I'm to believe the map in the infobox, Aspen somewhere near Durango. Now we all know that's not true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JimmySand9 (talk • contribs) 23:06, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Make a notable people section
Add a notable people section to this article. There is tons of notable people in Aspen including Lynda Rae Resnick and Stewart A. who own the company POM Wonderful which is POM, the compmnay that makes pomegranite juice and Wonderfull Pistachios which are made grown in California and availible for purchase worldwide. Also Mariah Carey and her husban Nick Canon own a house in Aspen and visit/live in Aspen often. Here are some link with info on who own houses and currently spen most there time in Aspen: http://www.aspen-snowmass-realestate.com/what-stars/ http://www.aspensojourner.com/Aspen-Sojourner/Midwinter-Spring-2014/Star-Struck/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greshthegreat (talk • contribs) 19:13, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh jeez...I hope to god that this does not happen...does anyone really give a rat's ass if " pomegranite juice and Wonderfull Pistachios which are made grown in California and availible for purchase worldwide" is in this article? Gandydancer (talk) 20:20, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * As long as those people are o WP the links are OK as in almost all cities of the world which have links of notable people in all WP's of the world. Otherwise lets ban notable people on WP with a deletion request. Ciao --Moroder (talk) 21:58, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

The individual people may be notable on their own merits, but that does not justify creating a long meandering directory of the wealthy and famous residents of Aspen as per WP:DIR. If you look at the wiki markup of the article, you can see that at one time there was a directory of 50 or so famous people listed. I suppose someone could make a cat for "residents of Aspen" but it would be very difficult to keep updated, sourced and accurate because many of these people have second, third or fourth homes there and sell them off all the time. - CompliantDrone (talk) 02:52, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

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You recently added of the "Ski Run from the 2017 World Cup". Was that the World Cup held at Snowmass (ski area)? Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:06, 10 February 2021 (UTC) Hi Magnolia677, you are correct! However, the photo was taken from the town of Aspen. That's why I put the photo on the Aspen, Colorado page, because the ski run is visible from the town. I believe that specific mountain is Buttermilk Mountain at Aspen Snowmass Ski Resort. - Richard

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