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Click (2006 film)

Click is a 2006 American comedy film directed by Frank Coraci, written by Steve Koren and Mark O'Keefe, both of whom produced with Jack Giarraputo, Neal H. Moritz, and Adam Sandler, who also starred in the lead role. The film co-stars Kate Beckinsale, Christopher Walken, Henry Winkler, David Hasselhoff, Julie Kavner, and Sean Astin. The film is based on "The Magic Thread", a folk tale included in The Book of Virtues. Sandler plays Michael Newman, a workaholic family man who acquires a magical universal remote that enables him to control reality. The film co-stars Kate Beckinsale as his wife Donna and Christopher Walken as Morty, the eccentric stranger who gives Michael the remote.

Filming began in late 2005 and was finished by early 2006. Sony Pictures Releasing released Click in the United States on June 23, 2006. It was made on a budget of $82.5million and grossed $240.7million. It was nominated for Best Makeup at the 79th Academy Awards (it lost the award to Pan's Labyrinth). This makes Click the only Sandler-produced film (as of 2024) to be nominated for an Academy Award.

Plot
In 2006, architect Michael Newman is consistently bullied by his overbearing boss, John Ammer, and often prioritizes work over his wife Donna and their children Ben and Samantha. One night, unable to keep track of multiple remote controls, Michael visits Bed Bath & Beyond to buy a universal remote and stumbles around various departments before falling asleep on a display bed. Upon waking up, he accepts a free remote control from a man named Morty, who warns Michael that the remote cannot be returned.

Michael learns that the remote can be used to control reality much like a television, but it can also control the universe. He uses it at work to cause light-hearted mischief and skip past minor inconveniences such as illnesses and arguments. Morty tells Michael that during these times his body is on "auto-pilot", going through the motions of everyday life while his mind skips ahead.

Anticipating that Ammer will promote him, Michael spends lavishly on himself and his family, only for Ammer to reveal that he will have to wait several months. Michael uses the remote to skip ahead in order to get the promotion, but discovers that he missed out on an entire year of his life. In 2007, he learns that he is in marriage counseling with Donna, the kids have grown up, and the family dog, Sundance, has died and a small dog named Peanut has replaced it. The remote, having learned Michael's preferences, begins to time-skip automatically. Every time he tries to throw it away or destroy it, the remote keeps on reappearing. Michael later tells Morty to return the remote back where it belongs since he had enough with it, but Morty refuses to take it back because it cannot be returned, making good on his warning.

Ammer tells Michael he is retiring and suggests that one day Michael may end up CEO. Momentarily forgetting his plan to outfox the remote, Michael says he would like that to happen, and the remote fast-forwards ten years ahead. In 2017, Michael is now the wealthy but morbidly obese CEO of the company, his children are ordinary teenagers, and Donna has divorced him and is now dating Ben's childhood swim coach, Bill. When Michael attacks Bill out of anger, the new family dog (who replaced Peanut) pounces on him, knocking him unconscious. The remote then fast-forwards six more years to evade the injury and other subsequent diseases, such as cancer and a heart attack. In 2023, Donna recounts that Michael has had liposuction and that she is now married to Bill.

Michael learns that his father, Ted, died of old age in 2021. Unable to go to when his father died, he then uses the remote to see the last time they saw each other, learning that he coldly refused to spend time with his father. At Ted's grave, Morty reveals he is the Angel of Death, enraging Michael. Overcome with guilt and shame, Michael asks to go to a "good place", whereupon the remote fast-forwards to Ben's wedding in 2029. Michael suffers another heart attack after overhearing Samantha referring to Bill as her father. At the hospital, Ben reveals he postponed his honeymoon due to work. Realizing Ben is making the same mistakes he made, Michael gathers the last of his strength to follow him out of the hospital. After collapsing, he urges Ben to put his family first, and assures his family that he still loves them before dying.

Michael reawakens in the present at Bed Bath & Beyond and believes he was dreaming, seeing it as a sign to make changes in his life. Michael goes back home, where he reassures Donna, Ben, and Samantha of his affection for them, promising to be a better husband and father. As he celebrates being home, Michael finds the remote and a note from Morty sitting on his kitchen counter. The note reads "good guys need a break" and says Morty knows that Michael “will do the right thing this time”. Realizing that his experience with the remote was a warning rather than a dream, Michael throws away the remote before going to enjoy the company of his family.

Production
On July 23, 2003, Sony purchased Steve Koren and Mark O'Keefe's spec script Click for $1.75 million, with plans for it to be an Adam Sandler film produced by Revolution Studios, Columbia Pictures, and Neal H. Moritz's company Original Film; the purchase occurred as Bruce Almighty (2003), also written by Koren and O'Keefe, had grossed $236 million domestically in its two-month run. Click was the second comedy Moritz produced for Columbia Pictures, after Not Another Teen Movie (2001). Although Sony planned filming to begin in April 2004 after Sandler finished shooting Spanglish (2004), that was postponed for Koren and O'Keefe to rewrite the script under the supervision of Juan José Campanella, who was announced as director in May 2004. However, he was replaced by Frank Coraci, who directed the Sandler films The Wedding Singer (1998) and The Waterboy (1998), in March 2005. Executive producer Tim Herlihy also revised the script. Christopher Walken joined the cast on February 23, 2005.

Imageworks began working on the film's digital effects in January 2006 without any research and development. While most of the effects were shot compositings, three-dimensional graphics were also made for the display on the remote and matte painting a few settings, such as the Bed and Beyond warehouse, a city background at Michael's workplace, and the winter backyard at his home; programs such as Cinema 4D and Autodesk Maya were used to produce the graphics. In order to make the fast-forwarding and rewinding look DVD-like, effects of interlaced video and scan lines "slicing through" were added. Motion control photography and green screen effects were used for scenes where Michael looked back on his life with the remote, meaning that were occasionally two Michaels in the same shot; while rotoscoping was used for the sequence where he changes the color of his face with the remote.

For scenes where Michael pauses his surroundings, the effects crew originally planned for everything to be frozen, including the environment; however, they found out this "bothered" the eye, thus switching the plan to only the characters being frozen while the environment (such as leaves on the trees being blown by wind) keeps in motion. The primary challenge for the freeze shots was sharpening the frozen characters as much as possible; there were some cases where the characters would freeze in a very active moment, causing the effects team to have to work with the motion blur that resulted from it. For instances where characters were frozen in a moment where they were still, they were filmed staying in that position for seconds so that, during post-production, the average of multiple frames would create a result absent of film grain.

Release and promotion
Click's official website debuted in late December 2005, consisting only of the film's official trailer; C.S. Strowbridge of The Numbers called the trailer "better than I expected. It seems like Adam Sandler is serious about maturing as an actor." Other interactive features and pages were added later on, such as a plot summary, image gallery, information about the cast and crew, audio and video clips, and a Control Your Universe poster generator.

The film screened out of competition at the San Sebastian International Film Festival. The film was released in the United States on June 23, 2006, and made its UK premiere in a London Empire Cinema on September 28, 2006.

Home media
Click was released on DVD, Blu-ray, and UMD on October 10, 2006 by Sony Pictures Home Entertainment. It was the first dual layer Blu-ray disc released by Sony.

Domestic
Before Click's theatrical run, Strowbridge predicted, on the basis of a weak critical reception and the commercial failure of a similar dramedy attempt of Sandler's, Spanglish, Click would be one of his lesser hits; however, he suggested it could still gross up to $125 million due to its mixture of comedy and drama elements. The weekend before the film's release, Nikki Finke projected an opening weekend gross of $40 million due to similarly high numbers of prior Sony-produced Sandler comedies such as 50 First Dates (2004), Mr. Deeds (2002), and Anger Management (2003). The day before the film's theatrical start, Entertainment Weekly's Joshua Rich projected Click to have a $55 million opening weekend and a total overall gross of $210 million for its "broadly appealing" high concept and the inclusion of Adam Sandler and Kate Beckinsale in lead roles.

Domestically, Click opened in 3,749 theaters and debuted at number-one at the box office, grossing $14.5 million on its opening day and $40 million in its opening weekend; Sony distributed the film in a hugely successful year as it was their seventh number-one hit of 2006. Groups of viewers outside the young male demographic were also higher than previous Sandler films; Sony's exit polls showed 51% of attendees being female and 50% over the age of 25. Click was also one of the only three films to surpass a $10,000 theater average that weekend with $10,673; the other two were Wassup Rockers and Leonard Cohen: I'm Your Man, both of which played at one theater.

Strowbridge predicted that in its second weekend, Click would fall 50% and gross $20 million due to intense competition with Superman Returns. However, while Click grossed approximately that amount and got dethroned by the superhero film as expected by analysts, what wasn't anticipated was that The Devil Wears Prada would open with double the gross initially projected; as a result, The Devil Wears Prada made $27.5 million in three days and placed Click in the number-three spot.

During its third weekend, when the record-breaking Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest debuted, Click had the second-strongest hold of all competitors in the top five; it dropped only 40% from the prior weekend, while Pixar's Cars went down 38%, The Devil Wears Prada 47%, and Superman Returns 60%; Click also surpassed the $100 million mark that weekend, making it the seventh Sandler film to gross that amount. It later grossed $137.4 million in the United States and $100.3 million internationally, with a total gross of $240.7 million worldwide.

International
Click opened on June 30, 2006, in Australia and New Zealand to the number-one spot in both countries; in Australia, it made $2.97 million from 281 theaters, in New Zealand $853,000 from 48. The following week, it went down 34% making $1.98 million in Australia while opening to six screens in Ireland with $59,000. By the fourth week of its international run, Click had grossed a total of $10.87 million and was running in four countries, $9.51 million of the total gross being from Australia. On the weekend of August 28, 2006, Click had a strong number-one debut in Mexico, grossing $1.76 million from 418 theaters, which helped launch the film into the international top ten, specifically number seven; it grossed $4.26 million from 1,159 screens in 22 nations, bringing the international total to $25.71 million. It went down to number nine the following weekend, grossing $3.47 million from 1,104 screens in 27 countries and increasing the total gross to $31.12 million.

Critical reception
Rotten Tomatoes gave Click a score of 34% based on 174 reviews. The average score is a 4.78/10, and the consensus is: "This latest Adam Sandler vehicle borrows shamelessly from It's a Wonderful Life and Back to the Future, and fails to produce the necessary laughs that would forgive such imitation." Metacritic gave it a score of 45 out of 100, based on 35 reviews, which indicates "mixed or average reviews". Audiences polled by CinemaScore gave the film an average grade of "B+" on an A+ to F scale. Peter Bradshaw opined Click was an improvement over the previous Sandler flick Mr. Deeds (2002): "It has some moments of good-natured sweetness and Adam Sandler is improving as a comic performer, though he is still conceited and opaque."

The film was criticized for its gross-out humor and unlikeable protagonist. Entertainment Weekly critic Lisa Schwarzbaum wrote Click failed at being It's a Wonderful Life because "Michael earns none of George Bailey’s mature wisdom honestly."

When it came to positive reviews, Newsweek claimed Click was predictable as a moral story but "unusually dark, occasionally touching and pretty funny" for a Sandler comedy. Empire's Sam Toy enjoyed the film for its "smart and genuinely moving ideas," Beckinsale's performance, and a strong third act, although dismissed the script for being overstuffed, the first half of the film for Sandler being too restrained in his everyman role, and actors such as Coolidge, Hasselhoff and Walken for being put in small roles.

Accolades

 * 79th Academy Awards: Best Makeup (Nominated)
 * 33rd People's Choice Awards: Favorite Movie Comedy (Won)
 * 2006 Teen Choice Awards: Choice Movie – Comedy (Nominated)
 * 2007 Kids' Choice Awards: Favorite Movie (Nominated)
 * 2007 Kids' Choice Awards: Favorite Movie Actor (Won)
 * The Numbers: Weekly Website Award (Won)
 * Variety: Adam Sandler's 10 Worst Movies Ever (Unranked list)

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Talk:2009 Atlantic hurricane season

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 * 08L.NONAME - Tropical Depression
 * Best status from NHC: 30kt 1008mb
 * 96L.INVEST first appeared 2009-09-25, 1200z @ 14.2ºN 29.0ºW.
 * Tropical Depression Eight from NHC 2009-09-25, 2100z @ 16.4ºN 31.6ºW.

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 * 2009-09-24, 1200z // 1800z
 * 2009-09-25, 0000z // 0600z // 1200z // 1800z (Refer to Tropical Cyclone Advisories)

NHC Tropical Cyclone Advisories
 * Tropical Depression Eight

Tropical Cyclone Reports

 * 01L.NONAME - released June 12, 2009
 * 02L.Ana - released September 26, 2009
 * 03L.Bill - released October 21, 2009
 * 04L.Claudette - released January 5, 2010, updated January 21, 2010
 * 05L.Danny - released January 12, 2010
 * 06L.Erika -released October 29, 2009
 * 07L.Fred - released October 18, 2009
 * 08L.NONAME - released October 23, 2009
 * 09L.Grace - released November 28, 2009
 * 10L.Henri - released November 17, 2009
 * 11L.Ida - released January 14, 2010

One
Released today. No changes in intensity. -Weatherlover819 (talk) 01:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Ana
Why are people not adding a sub title to the issuance of TCRs? -116.41.19.54 (talk) 00:09, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Bill
Bill held peak intensity of 115 kts (no change) for 30 hours --  Anh ' ami ' rak   21:07, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Eight
Released Friday, three days ago! Nothing changed. --  Anh ' ami ' rak   23:02, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Fred
It was released eight days ago! It lasted a week after degenerating into an remnant low. --  Anh ' ami ' rak   23:02, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

 * They seem to have taken the report down... hmm. icelandic hur ric ane #12(talk) 23:55, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The link above still works though.Jason Rees (talk) 23:20, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It has been back up again for a few days. --  Anh ' ami ' rak   02:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Erika
Released October 29, no changes in intensity. --12george1 (talk) 21:36, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Ida
Released yesterday, some changes needed in the article. -123.215.14.182 (talk) 13:22, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Text erasing
What was the point of the text being cleared off most of the Tropical Cyclone related articles yesterday? I really would like to know because it was almost every acticle related to Tropical Cyclones. --12george1 (talk) 18:13, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

 * What are you on about? Jason Rees (talk) 18:15, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

 * It's a known bug I think, some articles have been randomly vanishing. Check WP:VPT. --Golbez (talk) 18:19, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

 * The bug was fixed last night. It caused articles to randomly disappear (some completely, others before/after specific templates) -- RattleMan 19:34, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Eight article
Should I start on this? Eight caused nearly half inches of rain for parts of Cape Verde. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 19:38, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Are you having a wind up? There is no need for an article on TD 8 as it is a fishspinner.Jason Rees (talk) 19:53, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No article is necessary for this storm, a half inch of rain isn't notable at all. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:54, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

TS Grace
Is Grace notable in any way, in the fact that it's formation location is further north than Vince's from 2005? If it is, I could add it to Grace's section on the main page. Hurricanekiller1994 (talk) 16:30, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Tropical Storm Alberto (1988) formed higher by about .3 degrees than Grace. Maybe add it to here  Darren 23 Edits 16:55, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Dont - wait for the TCR before adding it.Jason Rees (talk) 18:10, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * According to the best track from here Grace is no longer the northeastern forming tropical cyclone on record, as it formed at only 38.9N. Weatherlover819 (talk) 23:20, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

As for a potential article, it DID have land effects in the Azores and stands to affect the British Isles (could we see history with it making landfall in Ireland?) CrazyC83 (talk) 01:01, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Theres no need for an article, it didnt have that much of an effect on the Azores and is a general fishspinner since it never made landfall.Jason Rees (talk) 08:51, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I would give it an article as it did affect the Azores with 50 MPH winds. Also this statement "ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE REMNANTS OF GRACE CAN BE FOUND IN HIGH SEAS FORECASTS ISSUED BY THE UNITED KINGDOM METEOROLOGICAL OFFICE UNDER WMO HEADER WONT54 EGRR" It still can have affects on the UK (indirect). - Knowledgekid87 7:29, 6 October 2009 (AT)

No. The storm hasn't even dissipated yet, and once that happens, the storm can be open. We also don't need articles for everything, Atlantic basin or not.Mitch32(The Password is... See here!) 11:49, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Addendum: I forgot about the absorbing part, but wait till the front is gone.Mitch32(The Password is... See here!) 11:51, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, first things first. If someone is really thinking about giving this storm an article, you have to provide sufficient information on impact and what was notable about the storm. Do not use the "northeastern forming" record as it is no longer held by Grace per the Operational Best Track. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 16:18, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * At the moment I'm writing this, Grace has more or less passed through the front already, still maintaining a warm core and closed convection over SST's of 16-18C, and UKMO is forecasting it to make landfall near Cardiff in their latest run. As far as I know, this is a fairly unique situation, and I find it somewhat puzzling that the NHC has called her demise. The NHC maybe doesn't consider anything east of 10W a "tropical" system? Clint.hotvedt (talk) 16:36, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Its out of their AOR now but to cover themselves they are calling it ET. Jason Rees (talk) 19:41, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Extratropical my a**e... Just have a wee look at these images;,  IMHO, Grace did not cease to be a tropical system until after it made landfall a bit west of Swansea, and whether it was a TS, TD, STS or STD should be decided when wind reports from October 6th come in... When it passed south of Cork however, SW 40 mph winds were measured at Seven Stones, and NE 41 at Marathon, so my best guess is that it stayed a (S)TS until it moved into the Irish Sea... Clint.hotvedt (talk) 07:15, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't saying that an article was needed, I just wanted to know if Grace was unique in any way. Hurricanekiller1994 (talk) 21:38, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Cyclonebiskit, Jason Rees etc, do you know where to find the location of Grace after the deactivation? Thanks. (here, it says that the 0000 UTC position is 55.5N 1.0W. ) -HurricaneRulzMath (talk) 09:34, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I generally use the NRL site here which has all the storms as monitored by the JTWC/NHC though the NHC has a verson on their site. Both seem to have said Goodbye Grace @ 0000z though (Just in case - On NRL it goes Basin-Storm-Trackfile) Jason Rees (talk) 09:44, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Fred effects
Was Fred's remnant low actually the main cause of the southeast floods? I seem to remember that there was moisture already in the area while Fred was still off the Florida/Georgia coast, but I can't say I'm sure. The citation doesn't show anything about Fred, and I think it was separate from the flood, but I'd like someone to tell me if I'm right or wrong before changing anything on the article. --99.162.229.22 (talk) 17:57, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I also am having my doubts on this, I am hearing that it was due to IN PART because of Fred, to say that the remains of Fred alone caused the flooding is not right. Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:47, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. As I understand it, the flooding began five days before Fred's remnants even reached the region. I think would probably be able to provide some insight into this issue. – Juliancolton  | Talk 15:16, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This may need to be brought up at the Hurricane Fred article as well since it also claims the same thing, there's a source citing Fred as the main cause now but the dates of the flooding and when Fred made it to the coast just don't seem to line up. --76.250.143.125 (talk) 04:26, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll check the surface analysis series when I get to work on Tuesday. I know Fred's remnant surface trough led to rains, but I'm not sure about the Atlanta flooding.  Thegreatdr (talk) 13:59, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * So what were the results? I am still convinced it was not Fred alone that caused the floods. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:21, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * At most, Fred's remnants were a small contributing factor. The Peachtree City WFO report doesn't even mention Fred.  Thegreatdr (talk) 06:44, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Well before making a damage amount change to Fred again (To Minimal as it just affected the Cape Verde Islands) I will wait to see if anyone has feedback on the matter. I could be Bold but I already made some clear edits that involve the damage totals on the article. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:04, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Henri to be named at 5pm Eastern
Per http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATWOAT+shtml/061922.shtml. Not sure what consensus is for confirmed storms before their initial advisory, so I'm leaving off the page for now. - Running On Brains (talk) 19:26, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Its fine to go in as the NHC have said they are intiating advisories if needs be use the RBT data.Jason Rees (talk) 19:40, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

First use of Fred
It says in the season names section that Fred was used for the first time in 2009. The full name - Frederic - was previously used - and retired - in 1979. Should this be mentioned in the article somewhere there? 76.29.112.198 (talk) 23:01, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

 * No, that is not really notable and important.  Darren 23 Edits 23:03, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Intensity
Some weeks ago the article's made clear in its lead that the season is below average. Actually, it was well below average those days. I havent followed this closely, but, has the situation varied over time in a way that it has become now an average season? If not, I think it should be stated again, same as the above average seasons state that in their lead.

Besides, according to this source (which on the face of it seems scholarly and interesting) | "Global Tropical Cyclone ACE is the lowest since 1979". Probably some of the research in this web should be quoted as well.

I hope the gloom lovers are not whitewashing (or, actually, darkening) the whole thing... MOUNTOLIVE  fedeli alla linea 01:34, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This is definitely a below average season, unless we get a couple more tropical cyclones which reach hurricane intensity for long periods of time. Thegreatdr (talk) 21:17, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like this season is well below average. But, the link above doesn't seem to work.  I think you wanted this.--CurtisSwain (talk) 00:23, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Thats not a good source to use for the Global ACE BTW, as it uses unoffical data from the JTWC for all basins bar the NHC AOR.Jason Rees (talk) 01:49, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

So far this season ties for record low activity
Article currently says: "So far this season ties for record low activity with 1982 for lowest number of hurricanes forming in a season."

Isn't this crystal ball gazing?

If it is allowed, what else are we going to get? A record high of 100% of hurricanes being major hurricanes, no non major hurricanes ..... crandles (talk) 19:35, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Since it is prefixed with the phrase "so far", I don't think they're peering into the future. =)  Thegreatdr (talk) 20:59, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

 * In that case, I would say that 'so far', it has had a higher rate of hurricanes. (2 in 0.9 of a season is a higher rate than 2 in 1 season) so it doesn't tie ;) To get a tie you do have to do some peering into future. ;) crandles (talk) 22:28, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * So far wie have hurricanes three, so this issue is settled. ;-) --Matthiasb (talk) 18:46, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I know people love to read about records for a season, but I think it would be best to wait to see what happens and once the season is over make the Records and statistics section. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be wise. Thegreatdr (talk) 00:49, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Hurricane Ida
I was wondering if it is or isn't too early to create an article about Hurricane Ida. First, it is a land impacting storm and second we can use the Public Advisories to create the meteorological history. I also have a report about some impacts from Ida.

Thank you in advanced for your comments, --12george1 (talk) 00:21, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If you want. I don't think we have any real hard and fast rules here.  The system was a hurricane and made landfall, so I don't think anyone will oppose it.  Just make sure it is a bit more expanded than the version that's in the season article, and well referenced, and all should be good.  Thegreatdr (talk) 00:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I say go for it, just check out the format of other hurricane articles before you commence. - Marcusmax ( speak ) 14:40, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I just created it! --12george1 (talk) 15:17, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Landfall
According to the NHC (600 AM CST): "DATA FROM NOAA DOPPLER RADAR AND SURFACE OBSERVATIONS INDICATE THAT THE CENTER OF TROPICAL STORM IDA MADE ITS FIRST LANDFALL AROUND 540 AM CST...1140 UTC...ON DAUPHIN ISLAND ALABAMA...WITH MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS OF 45 MPH...75 KM/HR.", I have also found the 2nd for "JUST TO THE NORTHWEST OF BON SECOUR ALABAMA", are there any sources though for the other indirect landfall in "Venice, Louisiana" ??? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:54, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

 * If the eye directly passed over Venice, Louisiana then both the track file and the trackmap when its updated should be able to back you up.Jason Rees (talk) 22:46, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

El Salvador flooding from Ida
Okay so I know the CNN source is saying that 54 people have died in flooding caused by Ida, however two other sources are saying it (the flooding) was casued by another low pressure system off the pacific coast and that ida mearly helped steer the low pressure system. Is there any right or wrong source here?

BBC - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8349333.stm "However, Ida, which passed to the east of El Salvador three days ago, is not thought to have caused the severe rains.

The BBC's weather centre said El Salvador's rains were caused by a separate, low pressure system."

CBC - http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/11/08/hurricane-ida.html "Dave Roberts of the U.S. National Hurricane Center in Miami said while the presence of Hurricane Ida in the Caribbean may have played some indirect role in helping steer the system, the deaths are not directly linked to the hurricane" - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:28, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

 * As i see it there is 3 options - 1) Call them direct deaths 2)Call them indirect deaths or 3) Ignore them as they were caused by the Invest in the EPAC. From what ive seen/heard i would call them indirect.Jason Rees (talk) 22:29, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

 * Call them indirect as steered by Ida and linked to Ida, but directly related to the EPAC invest. CrazyC83 (talk) 00:13, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The Government of El Salvador is directly linking them to Ida and saying that the low (EPac invest) made it worse. So, both systems are directly related to the flooding. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:20, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

 * CNN is now calling it a seperate low pressure system that caused the deaths "But a low-pressure system out of the Pacific -- not Hurricane Ida -- triggered the disaster, forecaster Robby Berg of the National Hurricane Center said Sunday" Im not trying to say it didnt happen but I do not think the cause was Ida based on at least 3 news sources. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:56, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

imnvho it is a ridiculous thing to deny. i assume the salvadorians know better then we wether the weather was worst in the east or the west. (basically i think we see a case of downplaying a serious threat in 'certain' (western) media). alJazeera does not even mention a pacific disturbance.i think they used salvadorese resources(11-9;).24.132.171.225 (talk) 06:32, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You assume incorrectly.216.80.110.88 (talk) 04:05, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually there was an EPAC disturbance during the last week. Jason Rees (talk) 18:32, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes there was. And its development had little, if any, to do with Ida.  Thegreatdr (talk) 18:55, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

There are some changes that still need to be made on this issue. First, the article mentions the possibility that the Pacific low pressure system was steered by the Fujiwhara effect. There is no citation for this, and in fact the only places on the entire Internet saying this are this Wikipedia page and duplicates of it. Even if it's true, which I think is dubious, it is either speculative or the dreaded "independent research". Second, the "deaths" column in the table shows "1(124)" for Ida. These 124 deaths are not attributed to Hurricane Ida at this time and even considering them indirectly caused by the storm is a real stretch. Finally the reference at the end points to a CNN International article under the title "Ida kills 54 in El Salvador, heads for U.S. Gulf Coast" which was withdrawn just a few hours after initial publication of the story. The title of the article after the reports of deaths in El Salvador being caused by the hurricane were retracted is "Hurricane Ida moves into U.S. Gulf Coast".216.80.110.88 (talk) 04:05, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

 * Re above: Someone else changed the "deaths" column for Ida dropping the "(124)". As for the other items, I have linked another article from the New York Times stating specifically that 'Ida had nothing to do with it' and I fixed the article title for the previously linked CNN article. That should just about do it.216.80.110.88 (talk) 11:38, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

British storm last week?
An editor with good intentions added a storm with hurricane-force winds as a tropical system within the main page. I reverted it. Thegreatdr (talk) 21:40, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Closing the season
Would it be appropriate to replace the infobox and called this season over? --12george1 (talk) 03:23, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait another day when the season actually ends. – Juliancolton  | Talk 03:36, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Damages
Instead of randomly tossing around huge numbers, would someone please provide a cite for damages? The bottom of the page lists a little over 2 million in total damages, most of that coming from Ida. Sticking 173 million in the infobox at top is completely inconsistent with that.--Prosfilaes (talk) 21:57, 9 December 2009 (UTC) Just havign a quick look through the articles for this season - it seems that the 173mill is correctly sourced in Idas article.Jason Rees (talk) 22:50, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

 * How can teh renmants from Ida that formed into a new storm be counted as damage from Ida? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:54, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

 * If you are talking about Ida's east coast impact, it was the same storm except Ida became extratropical.--  Pri ' yan ' ka  03:19, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Hopefully this will be sorted out by the post storm report. I'm fairly sure the damage along the coast of the Carolinas and Virginia won't be counted as directly related to Ida.  Thegreatdr (talk) 14:25, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

TCR for Best Track
Claudette is out; the Best Track ACE for the storm can now replace the Operational ACE. 173.57.117.239 (talk) 06:18, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Remake and create List of Storm in the 2009 Atlantic hurricane season article
This is a major change to the current 2009 AHS article. I want to see if anyone else wants the article to be similar to 2006 Atlantic hurricane season, where there is just a summary of the storms and then another article for a list of storms. If you don't get want I mean look this userpage and this one. --12george1 (talk) 20:18, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - i really dont like the new format as you can not tell what the windspeeds of a perticular storm in an instant or the pressure. You have to go digging through. Also this artice is meant to be a summuary of all the storms and works really well IMO.Jason Rees (talk) 20:31, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The list of storms should have just gone with the 2005 Atlantic Hurricane Season as it was an all time high for number of storms and putting the stormnames, season summary, ect.. on one page was just too much. 2009 however can not be compared to that. 2008 was the same way and has a shoter but all coverage season summary. The 2006 Atlantic hurricane season personally in my opinion wasa mistake to put in that format as there were only 10 total storms. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 04:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Please note that I've already completely the new version of the article and moved the older one to List of storms in the 2009 Atlantic hurricane season. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 22:25, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

 * So let me get this staright, consensus was polled with two people opposing this, and it was gone ahead and done with anyways? I do not feel this was needed as there were not as many storms as there were in 2005, but w/e. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:33, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Even though I wanted this done, I am kinda thinking now that it was a stupid idea, and pretty good amount of wasted of time. Since the 2009 AHS is GA now, I don't think he can remove this new format, and I also agree that it shouldn't have been replaced with two opposing, even though I was in favor of it. But soon I will push this format for 1995, 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2010, since they were much more active than the other seasons with the new format, and 2004 seems like an island in the middle of all of the new format AHS articles.--12george1 (talk) 02:41, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Additional post-analysis storms
Umm, I was wondering if there are any candidates for reclassification into a tropical cyclone in post-season analysis. --Weatherlover819 (talk) 14:33, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * While there are candidates (May/June Grace look-alike north of the Azores, the May Gulf Gale with central convection, the September nor'easter near the Mid-Atlantic coast), the NOAA hurricane conference revealed that none were immediately going to be added after-the-fact to the 2009 Atlantic hurricane season. Thegreatdr (talk) 15:03, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Where can I find a link to the NOAA hurricane conference? Weatherlover819 (talk) 15:27, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Here it is. Thegreatdr (talk) 20:20, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Retirement (or lack thereof)
The WMO conference has come and gone, it appears there was no press release so no names were retired? I'm trying to confirm that though. CrazyC83 (talk) 01:39, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Unless you can get an email of the NHC or someone offical we have to wait until the updated TCOP or the final report of the meeting comes out. Its only been a couple of days though since the meeting ended. Anyone using the NHC naming website should see this note i made after Graces fac Jason Rees (talk) 01:49, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Merging two season articles
So this article and List of storms in the 2009 Atlantic hurricane season are just about the same. They are two different articles with the same information, just presented differently. The project recently came into an agreement that we should avoid that. Just sayin'. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:02, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure. Although I'd rather see this effort put elsewhere, this article could be used to show how the new combined season article format would look like. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 01:31, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, done! --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:41, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of Hurricane Fred (2009) into 2009 Atlantic hurricane season
Fails WP:NWX since there was minimal land impact and no meteorological reason for the article to exist. This could be easily summarized in the season article. Noah, AATalk 14:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

 * I don't feel too strongly about this but fwiw Fred's existence was argued on meteorological reasons at the time. I'd probably only act if the seasonal article wasn't GA and that section needed improvement. YE Pacific Hurricane 16:35, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Support - I feel that the season article would benefit from a more thorough account of Fred, seeing as it was one of only two major hurricanes during the season. Right now it's on the short side because there is a sub-article, but I believe all of the content would fit easily without putting too much of a focus on Fred. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:25, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Tropical Storm Danny (2009) into 2009 Atlantic hurricane season
While this storm is a bit notable, the season section is very small and I believe this could be easily summarized there. Noah</b>, AA<b style="color:#ff0000">Talk</b> 14:11, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Weak oppose - I think the impacts are widespread and varied enough, and the met history could even be fleshed out a bit more (with the remnants), that I think it could be kept. I tried copying everything into the season section, and it just seemed like a bit too much for my liking to merge it. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:33, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak support The season section is tiny and could benefit from the content here. 2009 was a very quiet and tame hurricane season so bloating the article isn’t of too much concern. And not all of the information is needed anyway. 71.190.208.91 (talk) 20:59, 8 March 2024 (UTC) Vote by sockpuppet stricken.  Chris Wx  🌀 ( talk  -  contribs ) 00:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

 * Oppose - While I do think the storm's section in the season article could definitely use more detail from the article, its impact section is large enough given that it had minimal but quite widespread impacts that it doesn't warrant a merge. ~  Sandy 14156   ( Talk ✉ )  20:49, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:2008 Atlantic hurricane season

Tropical Cyclone Reports
01L.Arthur - released July 28, 2008 02L.Bertha - released October 20, 2008, updated October 9, 2009 03L.Cristobal - released October 1, 2008, updated December 15, 2008 04L.Dolly - released January 22, 2009 05L.Edouard - released November 14, 2008 06L.Fay - released February 9, 2009 07L.Gustav - released January 26, 2009, updated September 15, 2009 08L.Hanna - released December 17, 2008, updated March 29, 2009 09L.Ike - released January 23, 2009, updated February 4, 2009, re-updated March 18, 2009, re-updated May 04, 2010 10L.Josephine - released December 5, 2008 11L.Kyle - released December 5, 2008 12L.Laura - released February 4, 2009 13L.Marco - released November 14, 2008 14L.Nana - released December 3, 2008 15L.Omar - released February 4, 2009 16L.Sixteen - released November 19, 2008 17L.Paloma - released January 26, 2009, updated February 4, 2009, re-updated April 14, 2009

Cristobal
Just released today. Pressure dropped a bit but the peak intensity was unchanged. CrazyC83 (talk) 19:01, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Minor revisions made this week that I just noticed. The ACE has been updated. CrazyC83 (talk) 01:17, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Bertha
Peak intensity increased to 125mph, pressure raised to 952mb. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:01, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No real surprise, there were hints it may have been as strong as 135 mph but that is not to be. Updated the ACE calcs. CrazyC83 (talk) 15:17, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand how this storm killed 3 people. Schnerg (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:03, 26 July 2009 (UTC).

Edouard
One death confirmed. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:51, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Updated the article for such, plus more details on the damage. CrazyC83 (talk) 19:59, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Marco
Nothing new, smallest tropical storm in Atlantic confirmed. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:51, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Sixteen
Intensity lowered to 30mph and pressure increased to 1004mb. Death toll: 11 direct, 7 indirect, 6 missing. Maximum rainfall 21.52 inches in Balday beacon, Belize. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:20, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Nana
Pressure lowered to 1004mbar. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:54, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Kyle
Winds increased to 85mph. Death toll in Puerto Rico increased to six. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 22:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Article updated to show such. CrazyC83 (talk) 01:18, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Josephine
Nothing new. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 22:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Hanna
Real damage figure and intensity bumped to 85 mph. The death toll on the TCR remains a guess due to isolating from other storms. CrazyC83 (talk) 16:08, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * At least 500 fatalities. Total in Haiti is 793 with hundreds missing. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 16:12, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Was all of Hanna's 160 million in damage from just Haiti, just the US, or both? It doesn't give a specific cost for each. Where did this come from? 76.235.160.175 (talk) 21:21, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 160 million in the US only, no damage total from Haiti but the damages from all four storms that hit totaled to ~$1 billion (don't include this in an article). Cyclonebiskit (talk) 21:27, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That is correct, isolating damage numbers in the articles is proving difficult (Ike and Gustav combined in Cuba did $9.4B but no single-storm numbers are given). CrazyC83 (talk) 01:20, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

 * There actually are single storm numbers by Cuba's damage from 2008. Ike and Gustav both did 4 billion in damage to Cuba and Paloma did 1.4 billion. Is there ever going to be a Haiti report from Hanna, though? there can't not be one; the NHC has to get all of the reports done by April (I think), but since the TCR has been released, and Hanna's Haiti damage is still unknown, will there ever be a report on this? 76.235.207.61 (talk) 02:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * There are ongoing OCHA reports for the impacts in Haiti. I'll check though them later to see if any have a damage total. Cyclonebiskit 02:38, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Due to the low property values in Haiti (which is a really impoverished country), I don't think the costs will be very high there. CrazyC83 (talk) 02:57, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Dolly
It is now out. Downgraded to Cat 1 at landfall but kept at Cat 2 at peak intensity. Damage in the US $1.05 billion, only 1 direct death (the rest were not mentioned and are now indirect). CrazyC83 (talk) 19:43, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Link for convenience. –Juliancolton Tropical   Cyclone  19:47, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Ike
$18 billion in damage in Texas, Louisiana, and Arkansas. Further damage inland. –Juliancolton Tropical   Cyclone  16:21, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

 * There was also a change in the best track, Julian. Ike weakened to a cat. 3 as it hit the Bahamas, but restrengthened into a cat. 4 at it's Cuba landfall. I have a possible record about this. Since Ike hit Cuba as a cat. 4, and Gustav hit Cuba as a cat. 4 as well, would it mark the first time 2 hurricanes of at least category 4 strength have hit Cuba in the same season? I know no other such year with this record. 76.235.170.181 (talk) 04:13, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep. –Juliancolton Tropical   Cyclone  23:48, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Another record (minor record at that), fifth fastest 6 hour intensification (tied with four other storms) with a 30 knot increase in 6 hours from 18 UTC on Sep. 3 to 00 UTC on Sep. 4. Overall 24 rapid intensification was a 70 knot increase (if that ranks somewhere as a record, it wasn't stated in the TCR). Cyclonebiskit 23:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

By intensification standards, I only think storms like Wilma or Felix should be mentioned, but if there is a good source for Ike, sure. The 2 cat 4's in Cuba is confirmed though (Ike and Gustav) check the best track if you have any doubts on that. 76.235.170.181 (talk) 01:49, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The record I put was from the Tropical Cyclone Report. Cyclonebiskit 01:55, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, if you think it should be there, then you can put it in. I watched Ike on TV at the time. By 5 P.M. EDT, Ike became a category 1 storm. 3 hours later, it became a category 3. 3 hours after that, Ike was a cat. 4, and finally, on the next advisory, Ike reached it's peak. The record about Gustav and Ike both hitting Cuba at cat. 4 strength should probrably be mentioned, too. 76.235.170.181 (talk) 11:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll search through the best tracks and see what I can find about Cat:4's and Cuba. Cyclonebiskit 15:27, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, no other season has had two Category 4's making landfall in Cuba at that intensity. Cyclonebiskit 15:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

TCR Updated on February 4. Damage increased to $24B in the US ($28.2B once Cuba, the Bahamas and the Turks and Caicos are added, and still higher due to damage in Hispaniola, Jamaica and Canada not accounted for). Missing total reduced to 34, and the best track in Cuba was adjusted. CrazyC83 (talk) 05:16, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Gustav and Paloma
Both are out with updated damage and fatality figures. Paloma weakened to Cat 2 before landfall in Cuba, Gustav was 105 mph at Louisiana landfall. CrazyC83 (talk) 17:41, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 184 knot wind gust for Gustav is confirmed, world record for a tropical cyclone. Cyclonebiskit 17:52, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, although not representative of its true intensity (if it was used for a basis, Gustav would have likely been upgraded to Cat 5 as it was on the west side of the storm). CrazyC83 (talk) 20:22, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * And double landfall in Jamaica. HurricaneSpin (talk) 23:43, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Also, Paloma was a 100 mph storm at it's Cuba landfall, so this season isn't the first one with three major hurricanes to hit Cuba, but Ike was upgraded to a cat. 4 at it's landfall there, so it is the first with 2 cat 4's hitting Cuba rather than 3 cat 3's hitting. 76.235.170.181 (talk) 22:32, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Paloma TCR Updated on February 4. Minor changes to the best track, included a corrected landfall location. CrazyC83 (talk) 05:33, 8 February 2009 (UTC) Gustav TCR Updated late, on September 15 but just discovered tonight. Upgraded to 155 mph, the 212 mph peak gust validated and the sustained wind determined to be representative of the intensity. Other data was also added. CrazyC83 (talk) 03:15, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Laura and Omar
Both are now out. Omar confirmed as 135 mph (category 4). No real surprises with Laura. CrazyC83 (talk) 21:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Fay
Winds upped to 70mph damages totaled to $560 million. Cyclonebiskit 15:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

 * Is that all of the TCR's? I believe it is, but there still isn't a Haiti report from Hanna or Gustav. 76.235.187.223 (talk) 22:10, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That's all of them. There are no sub-reports issued by the NHC but other sources may still be working on recording the events that happened. Cyclonebiskit 01:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

 * I guess a sesonal track map will be released soon. HurricaneSpin (talk) 02:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Barring a reclassification of some other storm (best candidate would be the Carolinas storm in late September, but it will be likely left as a frontal hybrid low), that is it. Some of them will be updated from time to time though. CrazyC83 (talk) 06:34, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

So, I guess, unless any reanalysis comes in, that's it for this season, and we have to prepare for the upcoming one. 76.235.175.27 (talk) 03:05, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

 * Dont Forget that we have country reports, coming in at the minute for the Hurricane Committee meeting, which takes place soon.Jason Rees (talk) 14:46, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I see that the meeting is April 20.

RA IV Hurricane Committee, Thirty-first session

 * Start date: 20-Apr-09
 * End date: 24-Apr-09 morning
 * Meeting place: Nassau, Bahamas

Weatherlover819 (talk) 08:42, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, we can't assume it will be then; last year's meetings weren't until May 13. I'm not sure why it was that late, but either way, this meeting will be coming soon. 76.235.186.200 (talk) 16:06, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

 * No - the Hurricane Committee meeting does start on the 20 April - Also last years meeting was from the 23 - 28 April 2008 and im not quite sure where you got May 13 from Jason Rees (talk) 16:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

What I meant was Dean, Felix, and Noel weren't actually retired until then - it said they were retired by May 13 in each of the 3 articles. So, although the meetings were in April, the names weren't actually retired until May. If you don't agree, look in the 3 storm articles yourself. 76.253.126.162 (talk) 00:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Retired names
Well, the WMO conferences start today, so I think it is time we should talk about retired names. While I don't think any nation has requested any names yet, they should come in very soon. If I would guess, Gustav and Ike are obvious retirement candidates, and Dolly and Hanna are likely retirement candidates. Fay and Paloma are possible; I initially thought Paloma was a likely retirement candidate until the latest damage totals came out, which are just below $1 billion. Also, knowing France, we could perhaps see Omar retired if they request it, despite the fact that it wasn't severely damaging. ANDROS1337  18:44, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I agree and also about France in the 1990 Atlantic hurricane season they retired Klaus which only caused about $1 million in damage. --12george1 (talk) 21:08, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

 * Although the WMO meetings are today, we shouldn't be assuming which names will or won't be retired still. We should wait until the names actually are retired. Paloma still has a good shot though, because the Carribean is more likely to submit a storm like Paloma than we are (Dolly, i'm talking to you), and I'm not sure over Omar or Fay. We shouldn't really be assuming anything more here; at the top of this page, just below the orange box, it says Please put all unrelated discussion on the Hurricane Wikia. Click on the Hurricane Wikia to put speculations on that page; I would do it on the bottom, under Names requested for retirement. End of discussion here. 76.235.202.58 (talk) 21:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

And Gustav, Ike & Paloma are gone. Guess who isn't though? HANNA! Definitely one of the biggest surprises in my opinion; 530 dead and no retirement? That seems a little inconsistent, even considering its Haiti. FYI, the new names are Gonzalo, Isaias and Paulette. Gonzalo is probably the most decent, and I can accept Isaias as they are really running out of I names, but Paulette? We have/had Paul & Pauline in the Pacific, we didn't need another variation of Paul... and there are certainly many more elegible female P names out there, as Paloma is the only "P" retiree. 96.30.150.26 (talk) 05:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not that surprised that Hanna wasn't retired. I am not surprised because in 1994, Hurricane Gordon killed more 1,000 people and it wasn't retired. --12george1 (talk) 17:00, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, Haiti often has odd retirement patterns. – Juliancolton  | Talk 17:05, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

 * I cannot think of many more I names, male or female! They could retire "I" names entirely at the rate...

I'm a little upset about why they didn't retire Hanna, but what's this about Dolly? Paloma caused only 909 million in damage and one death and was retired. Dolly did 1.35 billion in damage, killed twenty-two people and it wasn't?! If the WMO didn't retire Dolly, then there is NO WAY they would have kicked Paloma off. And then again, with Haiti, Gordon and Hanna weren't, but Noel of 2007, which caused much less in damage/deaths, was. If the WMO didn't retire Gordon for 1,100 deaths, they would have no excuse for retiring Noel for 169. Noel didn't even do 1/7 as many deaths as Gordon, and not even 1/3 as much as Hanna, and was retired. I'm not sure why the WMO is so picky over retiring names now. 76.235.197.175 (talk) 22:16, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Do they ever run out of I names? What if they do? So many names are being retired (Isodore, Isabel, Ivan being 3 year in a row!) for this letter I and not much names for I. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 01:11, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

 * Isodore, Isabel, Ivan... okay, so we can have: India, Irene, Ivana, Ivanka, Irina, Idi, Idan, Iman, Igor, Igon, Igal, Ilan, Isabella, Iris, Inkara, Isolde, Ira, Irving, Inga, Irwin... and that's just a few off the top of my head. (note that some of these may have been used, but I was just throwing out random I names) --Golbez (talk) 04:57, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Remember, they've left open the door to reuse names after 10 years pass...even though it's only been enacted once or twice back in the 1960s. However, this chat should really end since it isn't applicable to the 2008 season article.  Thegreatdr (talk) 08:09, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

 * Made a mistake, it is Isidore, Irene is used, Igor is Ivan's replacement, Isabella is unlikely due to Isabel, Inga is used, India is unlikely due to the country, Ivana and Ivanka is unlikely due to Ivan, and Iris is used... most of them are names I ever heard of. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 01:58, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Idris is another doktorb wordsdeeds 09:48, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * this chat should really end since it isn't applicable to the 2008 season article.  Ir ' di ' ce  nt  23 14:23, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Season summary
I'm not sure if it's already being worked on, but in the 2007, 2006, and 2005 seasons there was a different way the articles was made. It had 6 or more paragraphs about the timeline of storms, and at the end an impact section and records section was made of the season. Are we going to do the same thing with this year? In other words, are we going to put the format of this season like 2007, 2006, and 2005, with the timeline, areas impacted, records, ect? 76.235.172.134 (talk) 15:54, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I feel the article looks better the way it is now, you have all the storm information, as well as a season summary up top, what more could you ask for ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowledgekid87 (talk • contribs) 04:22, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The new format will likely be implemented on this article within the next few months, when somebody starts working on it. – Juliancolton  | Talk 04:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I wonder why we're creating this redundancy. Only because of back in 2005 the article was too long? --Matthiasb (talk) 14:07, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I also wonder wats wrong with sending this type of Atlantic season to FAC also if 2005 AHS was too long with 30 depressions etc then wats 2008 PTS gonna look like when its done? Jason Rees (talk) 16:37, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * '06 and '07 have it like '05 as well, so why can't 2008 look like those years? It was much more notable than those years, excluding '05. 76.235.221.51 (talk) 22:05, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Although one can argue that it might look more neat it is just retyping the information that is covered both on the storm articles and in the list of storms that is in the article now. Just my opinion but I think the summarys should be brief it does not have to be detailed because that info is already covered like I said in other places. Knowledgekid87 15:05, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Four Storms
According to the postseason best track data, at 06Z on September 2, there were four tropical storms active. Gustav was a weakening tropical storm over central Louisiana, Hanna was a Category 1 hurricane over the Turks and Caicos, Ike was a strengthening tropical storm over the open Atlantic and Josephine was a newly-minted tropical storm in the eastern Atlantic. This marks the first time four named storms were active at once in the Atlantic since the four hurricanes of 1998, ten years. I think that's quite notable. -- Watch  For Storm Surge ! § eb 18:31, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:2002 Atlantic hurricane season

Image for each storm
I am trying to get an image for each storm, like 2005. I have started uploading ones that aren't on Wikipedia yet, and they are listed below. If you find a better image, feel free to replace it.

 * Tropical Storm Arthur
 * Tropical Storm Bertha
 * Tropical Storm Cristobal
 * Tropical Storm Dolly- Another image is found here, you decide which is better (I vote 2, but found that afterwards)
 * Tropical Storm Edouard
 * Tropical Storm Fay
 * Hurricane Gustav
 * Tropical Storm Hanna
 * Tropical Storm Josephine- Can you find a better image?
 * Hurricane Kyle

Does anyone have any good images of Bertha or Hanna? Hurricanehink 01:09, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Forget that, every storm is done. Hurricanehink 14:03, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Forgot Josephine. Got that too. Hurricanehink 02:32, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

 * It looks good. Nice job! -- RattleMan 01:47, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks! Hurricanehink 03:26, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

TDs
What about TDs? There was 7 and 14. Don't they deserve a mention? Icelandic Hurricane #12 21:35, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Fancy storm pics
Is there a need for that? It adds a lot of more white space, and doesn't add much. People aren't that lazy that they can't read one paragraph for information. If the information in the infobox doesn't exist, then it should be put into the paragraph. Hurricanehink 22:38, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Are you talking about the "infobox small" tables? — jdorje (talk) 00:59, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Yea. IMO, they serve little purpose, considering most of it isn't even seen. What is seen creates excess white space. Hurricanehink 02:47, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Yeah, good points. However it is useful to have the information in an easily available table format.  But the one-table-per-storm method is bad for an article that has more than one storm in it.  Better would be to have one table for the article showing information about each storm, as 1997 Pacific hurricane season and numerous older AHS articles have. — jdorje (talk) 02:28, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Storm boxes?
Why do some storms, but not all of them have infoboxes?  Jamie |  C  20:00, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

 * They weren't finished because we never agreed if they should be there in the first place. Hurricanehink 21:24, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Well we'll have to decide then because it looks weird when some storms have them and some dont.  Jamie |  C [[Image:Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg|22px|]] 13:38, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I vote we get rid of them and add meteorolgical statistics on the bottom, including death and damage totals by area. Hurricanehink 15:08, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

 * That sounds fine to me. However this decision should be made on the wikiproject page, and then applied to all seasons. — jdorje (talk) 16:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I added the remaining boxes to neaten up the page, I decided to do this following comparisons with 2003 and 2004 pages. It looks neater to have the boxes, and also follows the same format of 2003 and 2004. Which would mean considerably more work to remove them from the project than to put them into this page.

TD 14 goof
The current satellte pic of TD 14 was taken in July, not in October when the system exsisted. The current picture is a picture of... A SMALL CLOUD! Haha! I'll fix it. , compared to the. Looks more like a depression now doesn't it? →Cycl  one1 → 14:23, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Nice going...It is good that someone caught that. 209.62.224.245 01:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

 * They actually had an image for this one at NASA Earth Observatory. Good kitty 03:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Season impact
(removed and put into article)

OK, would something like this be useful for the season? Hurricanehink ( talk ) 00:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Why not? Also can you figure it out to make one for typhoons and super typhoons?Mitchazenia V5.0 01:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No idea. For WPAC, you have so many other things to contend with; different classes and JMA vs. JTWC mainly. I'm not a good computer person, so I probably shouldn't. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I doubt the JMA tracked in 1962.Mitchazenia V5.0 01:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? I was talking about WPAC in general. What does this have to do with 1962? Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's yooooooooge Good kitty 03:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Isidore vs. Lili
I just noticed that, although Isidore has the lowest minimum central pressure for the season, at 934 millibars, the hurricane season infobox has Lili as the season's strongest storm, at 938 millibars, with no mention of Isidore. Although I am aware that Lili's maximum sustained winds were significantly higher than Isidore's, making Lili a Category 4 at its strongest and Isidore only a Category 3, I have also noticed that minimum central pressure is usually the deciding factor when it comes to comparing the strength of different storms in Wikipedia articles. I vote for including both hurricanes in the infobox. What do you guys think is the best thing to do? Ev-Man 23:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Excellent point, and I changed it. Strength indicates pressure, and is not synonymous with winds. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Possible TS-July 7 and September 5
http://www.atl.ec.gc.ca/weather/hurricane/storm02.html

These were mentioned in their season write up. I wonder why Miami hasn't looked into these any more? They had sufficient tropical characteristics.Shearwater912 (talk) 14:17, 26 March 2009 (UTC)Shearwater912

 * Many years ago, I looked in depth at the July 2002 cyclone, and not long after talked to Jack Beven at NHC about it. During it's genesis it was overtaken by a mid summer cool front offshore the Mid Atlantic states, and therefore could not meet the definition of either a tropical or subtropical cyclone. We were in agreement that the cyclone should be considered a relatively rare "frontal hybrid" cyclone. You can see its evolution beginning with the SAT JUL 6, 0900 UTC surface map at http://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/archives/web_pages/sfc/sfc-zoom.html) AJC3fromS2K (talk) 07:42, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

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Here are reports that were provided for the WMO. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:10, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of Tropical Storm Arthur (2002) into 2002 Atlantic hurricane season
While I believe this storm is somewhat notable, the season section is lacking and this article is quite short. I believe the season section would benefit from having this content merged into it since that article is an FA and must be COMPREHENSIVE in its coverage rather than simply covering the main aspects. Noah, AATalk 12:22, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Support: Arthur had minimal impacts, failing notability guidelines. ''Flux55'' (talk) 20:43, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Support merge. The article that is proposed to be merged isn't notable. It fails WP:NSUSTAINED, as there is zero secondary coverage (with the exception of the tropical cyclone's TCR), and thus fails WP:GNG or WP:EVENTCRIT since there is only primary coverage available, and limited secondary coverage. This secondary source only contains a mere trivial mention of the tropical cyclone, which doesn't count towards GNG, and the only secondary source noted above isn't enough to establish notability of the tropical cyclone. ~ Tails   Wx  (🐾, me!) 06:04, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Tropical Storm Cristobal (2002) into 2002 Atlantic hurricane season
While the storm did indirectly kill three people, I believe this is another case where the story can be told in the season article. The season section is lacking in coverage and merging this would help to make it comprehensive. Noah, AATalk 12:53, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Weak support - Cristobal clearly had impacts, indirectly killing three. However, outside that, it could easily be merged into the season article. ''Flux55'' (talk) 20:46, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Due to the info by @WeatherWriter, I strongly oppose a merge. However, I think it should be delisted from GA status ''Flux55'' (talk) 01:33, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * If it is kept, there would need to be a valid reason for a delist, following the notice period and GAR process for time allotment for improvement. We can't just delist an article on a whim. If people did that, they would definitely get an ass chewing at the main GA talkpage for sure. Concerns were already raised by a GA regular specifically about not doing that before anything had started. Noah, AATalk 01:39, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Seeing how this article is structured, I've changed my mind. However, I still think it should be improved significantly ''Flux55'' (talk) 01:44, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Keep — The storm had impacts, plus a quick search on Google Scholar located Remote effects of tropical storm Cristobal upon a cut-off cyclone over Europe in August 2002, a 2006 case study which shows impacts in Europe. Meaning, the storm had impacts that are not listed in this article, so the impacts section has the ability to expand. Merge not necessary, since the article has the potential to expand further. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 23:45, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose Caused numerous impacts on Long Island, and these merge proposals are beginning to become excessive.71.190.208.91 (talk) 20:59, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support, the impacts are minor enough that they can be told in this article. And as to the IP address above me, I don't think they're excessive - the proposals are generally for short articles that would improve the season article with their merge. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 21:13, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Unless it's significant expansion, the only other option would be to send this article to FAR for not being comprehensive. Noah, AATalk 23:52, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I would be ok with that. Based on what I just found, it probably shouldn't be FA or GA status. But, I still do not agree with a merge, since there is lasting coverage and impacts not yet mentioned in the article. Actually, that last part is a very easy removal from FAR and GA since GA requires that no further info needs to be added. And, that is not the case here. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 01:12, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * If it is kept, then this article will have to be sent to FAR for sure. Noah, AATalk 01:31, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * If we add the extratropical cyclone's impacts, should that be spun off into a separate article, like how 2023's Ophelia was absorbed by a low-pressure area, which later caused flooding in New York. ''Flux55'' (talk) 01:49, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * If Cristobal was the LPA, no. Edit: Appears to be another system entirely. It depends on how bad the impacts are as to whether a new article is required. I’d recommend minimizing the mention in articles related to Cristobal since it’s only tangentially related and not directly causing the impact. Noah, AATalk 01:59, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Further discussion
I'd like to bring back up the discussion of merging Cristobal. There isn't any content in the Cristobal that isn't in the section of the season article. The impacts, such as there were, are all mentioned in the section. mentions distant impacts from Cristobal in Europe, but that wasn't from Cristobal itself, which was only a tropical cyclone for four days, so it's not a matter of missing the impacts. Therefore, I'm proposing merging the article again, which, again, doesn't have any content now that isn't in the season section. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:53, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:POINT and WP:STICK. I know that you wanted a merge above and didn’t get it, but seriously, either let it rest for a few months or challenge the close. Proposing this is very POINTy especially when there hasn’t even been 72 hours post close. Also, just because impacts are only tangentially related doesn’t mean we don’t mention them- look no further then Hurricane Ian. 68.129.15.101 (talk) 23:28, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what WP:POINT or WP:STICK have to do with it, seeing as the previous discussion ended with no consensus. Also, 2002 AHS is a featured article and featured topic, and there was disagreement with what User:WeatherWriter said above about Cristobal's remnants contributing to distant effects in Europe, and whether that constitutes enough new information to keep the Cristobal article, or if it's too irrelevant to even include in the section in the season article (which, again, contains all of the content in the Cristobal article). You brought up Ian, but that article doesn't mention anything a continent away. Also, it is helpful to use a Wikipedia user name when engaging in discussions. It appears you have made quite a few edits, and your input is valuable, so why not consider making a user name? That way, if you're taking part of various discussions, it is clear they all belong to the same user, as opposed to potentially using various IP addresses. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:14, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

- the Cristobal article has already functionally been merged into the season article. There is nothing in the Cristobal article that isn't in the season section. To anyone else, there just needs to be a consensus to formally merge a good article that is redundant. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:59, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Support merge – The season article section covers the storm fully and comfortably. Also, the storm was not all that notable so as to merit a stand alone article. Drdpw (talk) 01:40, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

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