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Talk:Anal bleaching

Images - keep or delete?
There seems to be an edit war going on, deleting and adding the images in this article. There is a note that says "the current consensus is for this article to have images" but I don't see any discussion of the topic. Should we keep or delete these pictures? I'll start.
 * Keep We know that Wikipedia is not censored, so obscenity is clearly not a valid reason to delete. I don't object to the images - they obviously show what the article is talking about. I'm not positive they're really necessary, but I don't see any reason not to have them. Conical Johnson (talk) 05:45, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Where do you see an edit war? I've removed it once, mostly because I doubted that the uploader owns copyright of the images, judging by thei professional look. He insists he does, and added them back. I have no problems displaying anuses (ani? (heh) on this page, but would prefer cropping the images to only show the relevant part. Amalthea  08:55, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I was going mostly on assumption that this had been argued before, because of the tag and the fact that this article had been nominated for deletion previously. I went back through the history and it's clear that there's no war, just a couple of reverts, as you said. I'll let you and Fred discuss this further, as intellectual property isn't my thing. Conical Johnson (talk) 05:43, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Delete. While I'm by no means against explicit photos in Wikipedia articles, I doubt the usefulness or encyclopedicity of these two.  To begin with, we have a full-body shot where one isn't necessary.  The woman in the first photo is fully naked for no apparent reason.  We appear to have photos of 2 different women purporting to show a before and after.  The images seem to go out of their way to show the genitals when (and I don't believe I've ever typed these words before) the focus should be on the anus.  And finally there is apparently some dispute about the copyright status of the images, which suggests they should be removed immediately until it can be ascertained.  On a related note, this article is extremely poorly referenced.  I'm about to remove some dubious and unsourced claims about Katie Holmes, but the whole article is dubious and unsourced and really needs some attention.  Exploding Boy (talk) 06:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

OK, I've removed them a second time now. I haven't heard back from Fred in a day, and I think we're in agreement that if we display any examples here then, as Exploding Boy put it, they should really focus on the anus. I'll see if Fred gets back on this. If he can alleviate my copyright concerns I'll crop the anuses and put them back. Amalthea 09:19, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Ok, now, I'm going to go ahead and call this an edit war. Some consensus needs to happen here. Those who keep adding the photos (Fred on another computer?), please explain your reasoning. Conical Johnson (talk) 06:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

They are constantly adding it / here! / Here also, until reverted. On the German Wiki / here, one different image used, but still the same main image. On Finnish Wiki, on Russian Wiki on Welsh Wiki and on Japanese Wiki

Gone as copyvios. Amalthea 19:24, 26 May 2009 (

Before+after image
We really need one. (I'm serious) 220.246.155.48 (talk) 04:16, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

 * I agree with 220.246.155.48 that when such before and after photos of the same person become available, they would be more desirable than images of two different people. If they also happened to be more clinical in nature, all the better. Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 04:14, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Picture
Does this article really need a photo? Sure, Wikipedia is "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." Does that mean that anything and everything can be published? Are there no guidelines for what constitutes appropriate encyclopedic material?Jihadcola (talk) 19:47, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Shamelessly copied from an existing Wikipedia Template: "Wikipedia is not censored. Images or details contained within this article may be graphic or otherwise objectionable to ensure a quality article and complete coverage of its subject matter. For more information, please refer to Wikipedia's content disclaimer regarding objectionable content and options to not see an image." That all being said, I'm not quite sure what you were expecting when you went to an article about Anal bleaching. Antoshi ☏ ★  21:50, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

I vote for the picture to be deleted. I mean, it can be very aggressive for some people. They might be interested in know about the procedure. It's like putting an image of a bleeding penis in a castration article, or a very graphic picture when you're looking about surgical procedures. I think there's no need of putting the picture of a gaping butthole in this article. Magegg (talk) 07:59, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

 * No way, I've already jerked off three times to this article. That's what encyclopedias are for!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.33.208.179 (talk) 02:52, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

 * Comments. (a) That post-bleach picture looks like she's *really* enjoying herself. (b) An encyclopaedia doesn't need to show everything it conceivable could to avoid the horrors of self-censoring (i.e. there's weighting and the principle of least surprise (as shown here in a discussion on whether or not to show a pregnant 5 year old's picture)).  (c) Societal norms are changing - you can now see explicit Brazilian waxings on YouTube (good news for !)  (d) As has been noted in Before+after image above, there's little use in having two totally different people and skin types in the before and after shots; it makes absolutely no sense to go from a darker skin (before) to a lighter one (after) unless you're running a scam.
 * These points are separate from whether or not a correct portrayal of before and after should be shown. I'd tend to go with assuming that they should be, if the same model/lighting/etc. is used in both, displayed as low down on the page as possible (to try to move it off the first screen) and subject to severe cropping (i.e. just the, umm, target).  It'd be interesting to see what happens to the pro-inclusion vote if a male model uploads the pictures.  Bromley86 (talk) 23:09, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

 * Removed pictures. Happy to have better pictures added, just not those particular ones.  Bromley86 (talk) 09:30, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

 * I've restored them. They adequately visually represent what anal bleaching is and add an encylopedic benefit for the reader as well. For your argument, As has been noted in Before+after image above, there's little use in having two totally different people and skin types in the before and after shots; it makes absolutely no sense to go from a darker skin (before) to a lighter one (after) unless you're running a scam., it demonstrates the difference. While two different people, the difference is absolutely and visually understood. I agree with the other changes you made, but not the removal of said photos under this reasoning. Also, your latter reasonings due conflict with WP:CENSORSHIP, trying to hide them off the screen. Tutelary (talk) 20:32, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

 * I see nothing in WP:CENSORSHIP about not moving pictures down the page. I'd not encountered the "least surprise" principle before I saw it on that Talk page, and I doubt it's an official WP policy.  However,  appears to be an admin, although, of course, that doesn't mean there's no scope for him to be wrong about best practice.  Additionally, what's your argument against the principle, WP policy or not?  It seems eminently sensible to me in an article on roasting puppies, for example, that some may find offensive, if the pics of pups-on-a-stick are "below the fold".
 * I absolutely disagree with your reasoning about the difference being visually understood from the current images. If we're talking about understanding what "lighter" is compared to "darker", no image is necessary.  The current images impart no meaningful information; in no way should WP be advancing the opinion that lighter is better than darker, which is the subtext behind the current pics (just reread that on preview and I want to make clear that I'm not playing a race card with this comment).
 * I referred earlier to the classic before-and-after shots that one can see on any website adverting a product, for example a diet product where the before shot shows someone slouching and pale and the after shows the same person after a 2 hour workout and time on a tanbed. The current situation on this page is worse than that, as we have a darker model, who I assume is a civilian, as the before, with the after model being both lighter and a porn star, albeit not a well-known one.  If we have a genuine before and after shot of the same model, then I'd agree that that might be useful (although care would have to be taken that the image was representative of what one can expect from anal bleaching from a salon (as opposed to at-home creams)).
 * I've not reverted, but I'll be trying to get this addressed. Comments by anyone monitoring the Talk page would be appreciated, as would further input by yourself.  Bromley86 (talk) 21:29, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

 * Censorship can take many forms. You're deliberately limiting exposure to the images in the article, and given that they visually express something that not many people take kindly to--Seeing a butthole isn't on my high list of priorities either, but in an article about anal bleaching; when there are free images to visually demonstrate anal bleaching, it is adequate to put an image to visually demonstrate to the reader. It's not about the skin tone, and I didn't even notice the skin tone until you brought it up. The difference in tone of the photos is coincidental and is not related to whether the images should be removed or not. The main argument I'm trying to say is that the difference between an unbleached anus and one that is bleached. That's what those two images visually display. That is adequate for an article about anal bleaching. The current situation on this page is worse than that, as we have a darker model, who I assume is a civilian, as the before, with the after model being both lighter and a porn star, albeit not a well-known one. If we have a genuine before and after shot of the same model, then I'd agree that that might be useful (although care would have to be taken that the image was representative of what one can expect from anal bleaching from a salon (as opposed to at-home creams)). Why would this be a good reason to remove the images? Why do we need to get into the 'civilian vs pornstar' or the 'race tone' thing? Ultimately, Wikipedia is designed to be an encyclopedia, and give information to its readers. Displaying an unbleached and bleached anus demonstrates the difference to the reader of what exactly 'anal bleaching' is. Given Commons allows explicit photos, you could perhaps find a better photo to display the unbleached anus, but that's besides the point.  Also, please do not 'ping' other editors here, because that could be a violation of Wikipedia's canvassing policy and attempting to get more people to support your side. Small additional side note: Anthony is not an administrator. Tutelary (talk) 21:59, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the pinging; my bad. I'd initially added his name in brackets, but thought that might be rude, so "usered" him.
 * I, like the rest of the world, am not a believer in absolute free speech. If I go to the article on Female genital mutilation, I cannot see a before and after shot there.  Absolute free speech would dictate that I should, so the article should at least include this pic.  But it doesn't (actually, in that particular case, I can see a decent argument for this diagram being far more useful than any series of pics could ever be).  Incidentally, if they were to include photos of the various types in that article, I hope you can see the "least surprise" point about nesting them down where the diagram I linked to is, rather than at the top of the page where the billboard is.
 * If you're going to make a point about the difference between a bleached anus and an unbleached one, in an encyclopaedia, then it has to be scientific. Assuming for the moment that the before photo is unbleached (I am assuming that the porn model with the shiny pink ring is bleached, but that might be an unfair assumption - certainly, the original file makes no mention of it), it's still not a scientific display of before and after and, as I said, if all you're trying to do is convey that one is lighter than the other, then words can just as easily do that (actually "word", as "lightening" does it).  To ignore the fact that the two pictures are entirely different skin colour is just odd.  I very much doubt that the anus of the before model would have ever changed to the colour of the after model, just as the after model was almost certainly a wonderful pink before any alleged bleaching.  And, of course, we don't know that she's not sporting a temporary cosmetic, such as [insert 1-2 day duration cosmetic product I saw when editing the article but can't find now].  Try this in an advert and see how long it takes for the regulatory agencies to jump on you.  Bromley86 (talk) 22:48, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

 * For the female genital mutilation articles, other stuff exists, and may not be fully relevant. For example, I could bring up an example of a well known shooting case when attempting to argue for notability on one that hasn't been reported by many newspapers. They're both shootings, but they're not equal shootings when it comes to notability. For here, attempting to argue that FGM should be present via images on the article will not aid in attempting to discuss on whether the anal bleaching images here should be on the article. For this, I would like to ask for a compromise from you and Anthony. Would you two be fine with just removing the first image? I understand what you're getting at, different skin tones makes it kind of confusing, but the second image is just spot on with what bleaching is. Making the anus the color of their skin. I think that would be a better solution than removing both images outright. Tutelary (talk) 16:31, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

 * No, I wouldn't agree to that. The second image tells us nothing about anal bleaching. It shows us a skin tone that is similar around the sphincter to that on the buttocks, which I suppose is the aim of the procedure. But who says that is the result of anal bleaching? Is that the typical result? This is misleading. I've emailed a local beauty technician and asked if they'd be willing to donate an actual before and after image. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 04:53, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

 * My position would be that removing the current before image would be better than retaining it, but that removing both would be significantly better (as there is no evidence that the current after photo is representative of a post-bleached anus). Mind you, AFAIK I've not personally seen one, so I can't even say whether I think it's representative in my opinion.
 * One thing I did try last night was to find before and after pics out on the web: not necessarily scientific ones, or ones that we could use, but just any examples on websites offering the creams/treatment. It was surprisingly hard to track down and I couldn't find a single example that I'd consider suitable, even if it were creative commons licensed.  Bromley86 (talk) 13:48, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

I got pinged about this discussion. I support the inclusion of good before and after photos - but that means good quality photos of the same person before and after. These are neither good quality nor of the same person. Per Bromley's suggestion, we typically put NSFW images low down, below the fold, where doing so won't unreasonably disadvantage the reader. While we don't have an easy one- or two-click global image filter for our readers, we need to be sensitive and inclusive about how we handle such images.

I'd suggest we all pop into a local beauty parlor and ask the operator if they'd be interested in producing something for us. If enough of us ask, we'll eventually get something good. Frankly, anything involving the same subject in the same pose, same setting, same lighting would do. Meanwhile, I support removal - they are an embarrassment, not because they are anal sphincters but because they are crap. (I mostly edit medical articles where we deal with "offensive" body parts all the time.) --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 01:51, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

 * I support removing the images, then looking for medical images, of men or women, which should be placed lower on the page. The current situation is uninformative, because they are not before-and-after images. If no free medical images can be found, they could be linked to using the external media template. Sarah (SV) (talk) 19:55, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep What would a "medical image" be exactly? And why better? This isn't a medical procedure. Ideally we'd have the same person before and after, but until then these are certainly informative. Of course images of males might take some of the heat away, if they could be found (male before and female after doesn't work I think). Johnbod (talk) 20:25, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, physicians offering cosmetic surgery perform this procedure. Perhaps one of their websites will show before-and-after images. Sarah (SV) (talk) 04:19, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I rather doubt an actual surgeon would be doing this; a nurse at best, I suspect. Cosmetic surgery outfits may do many things that aren't thereby turned into medical procedures, especially when they are more often done by beauticians. Johnbod (talk) 05:22, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean to imply that it was a medical procedure. When I say "medical image," I was thinking of one on a physician's website, where we can be reasonably sure that it's a real before-and-after, if that's what people want. Even with those, though, you have to be careful. We had a situation on another article about women's genitals where supposedly genuine before-and-after shots obviously showed different women. The broader point is that women will come here for information. They ought not to be hit by pornography, or men making sexual comments on the talk page, or inaccurate material that makes them feel that the natural state of women's bodies is a bad thing. Choice of image therefore matters, and as has argued, the image can be cropped to focus more on the body part. Sarah (SV) (talk) 16:27, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure your trust in cosmetic surgery outfits is well-placed, frankly! The entire subject, and business, rather rests on a concern that "the natural state of women's bodies is a bad thing", & I don't think the photos introduce this. As you say, women and even men come here for information, and we should give it to them. Is there male anal bleaching? The article doesn't say, but logically there might be as the anus plays a considerable role in male gay sexuality. No-one can be surprized to see a couple of anus photos when they do come here, though many will rightly be surprized if they don't. If you think clear photos of this are inherently pornographic, that's your issue frankly. Cropping is fine, and to remove some doubts the caption on "after" might be changed to say something like "anal bleaching aims at an appearance like this". Essentially this is straight censorship, of images that merely clearly show parts of the anatomy in a highly relevant context. Johnbod (talk) 19:10, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

 * Remove, per SlimVirgin. Lightbreather (talk) 21:38, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Remove The current images. There's no encyclopedic benefit to showing two different models (one dark skinned and the other light skinned) to supposedly illustrate the "effects of anal bleaching".  I would perhaps support images of the same model if lower down on the page.  There are NSFW issues here.  If someone tracks down images of the same model before and after we could probably make them more suitable by cropping to the point that someone not reading the article or looking closely would know what the image was.  It seems the encyclopedic benefit of showing such lightening of skin does not require showing entire butt and/or seductively arched entire butt, although that might disappoint  124.33.208.179. --BoboMeowCat (talk) 00:58, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Remove. The two images are incredible WP:OR because they suggest that anal bleaching applied to the "normal" woman would give the "after" result. If these images were displayed by a practitioner we would instantly recognize the scam—the two woman have totally different skin tones, and showing them on the same page is misleading. Further, there is no confirmation that the "after" image is the result of anal bleaching—the only justification is that the anus apparently belongs to a porn star, and we all know that porn stars have bleached anuses, and editors can verify this is a bleached anus. That line of reasoning is not part of WP:V. The "after" image could equally be used to illustrate hand bleaching because it is obvious the woman has bleached hands—just compare them with the normal hands shown in the other image. The images should be removed until a before-and-after set of photographs is available from a single source showing the same person under the same lighting conditions; that would be encyclopedic information. Johnuniq (talk) 02:13, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Again, is nobody going to comment on the compromise I proposed? Only show the after photo, as an example of the effects of anal bleaching. It's exactly what the definition is, making the anus the same color as their usual skin tone. I can very much understand the arguments against showing both images, because you could equally do the same thing with weight loss, do two different skin tones (IE: People) and not get the same effect. But leaving the article imageless is unhelpful to the reader in my honest opinion. Getting away from both images, why do people have a problem with the article having an image? Tutelary (talk) 02:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * What evidence is there that the "after" photo shows a representative view of the procedure? Is there any evidence that the photo is legitimate without image manipulation? Johnuniq (talk) 03:54, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * These are pointy demands not normally made of photos here. Johnbod (talk) 05:22, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Surely such demands are always made? If we have an article on serial killers, and if most serial killers are men, there will be issues with me adding a photo from the commons bank that shows a man when there's no evidence that he's also a serial killer.  As there, so here.  She does indeed have a pink anus, and anal bleaching is meant to do that, but there's no evidence associated with the original file upload that she has had the treatment (semi-intelligibly tagged:While in a domesticated, Jenni Blaze naked in public. She hold and covers her butt and shows herself her human anus.).  She might be one of those blessed with a naturally pink anus.  I'd also point out that the person who cropped and originally added the image here appears to have a certain interest in adding explicit images.  No problem, we all need a hobby, but it does call into question their fact-checking.  Finally, I've web-searched Jenni Blaze and anal bleaching.  No hits, other than from WP.  Bromley86 (talk) 14:18, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * . "Getting away from both images, why do people have a problem with the article having an image?" - That's slightly misrepresenting the position of most of the removes.  Every recent response has indicated that they'd be happy with photos, just not these photos.  Bromley86 (talk) 13:56, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

 * If people want an image of someone light-skinned to show what bleaching might achieve (or perhaps this is bleached), they could swap the current one for File:Anus masculin.jpg. This shows a man, light-skinned and closely cropped. Sarah (SV) (talk) 21:44, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It shows a rather young boy I suspect, introducing further problems, & meaning bleaching is unlikely. At least the other one has a name attached, that of a porn star who is I supposed likely to have been bleached. Johnbod (talk) 22:14, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * , would you take this as the compromise in this? I dearly think that this article is just not right without an image to visually demonstrate what bleaching actually does. The image above satisfies that requirement. Tutelary (talk) 21:59, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Is Wikipedia really unable to get find an editor who can get hold of the following: some hair, a bit of animal skin, a petri dish, a drop of bleach and a camera? There's your before and after shot of what bleaching actually does, minus the voyeurism. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 06:57, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

 * Remove - considering the greatly different skin tones, the pictures don't help demonstrate the difference. As for Tutelary's "compromise", just having an "after" photo isn't of any use unless we have a "before"; and, as mentioned above, we can't even be sure that this is an "after". Nothing in principle against having photos, just not these photos. --GRuban (talk) 02:18, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Remove First: disclaimer I heard about this on the gender gap task force but I agree with that this is a legitimate topic for the group and doesn't violate canvasing. I think the guideline for Pornography is relevant here. So the picture " should be used if and only if their omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate, and no equally suitable alternatives are available" I think we all know what an anus looks like and a description of a bleached one serves just as good as a picture. If this were say pictures of prisoners at Abu Ghraib I would say by all means include it. Those pictures definitely add to the informative value. This does not and is likely to turn off a lot of users for no good reason. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 02:15, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Note
The Gender Gap Task Force was notified of this article, and the notifier did this not 10 minutes before voting on the images. Tutelary (talk) 02:44, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Notification of GGTF complies fully with WP:CANVASS – Appropriate notification: An editor who may wish to draw a wider range of informed, but uninvolved, editors to a discussion can place a message at any of the following: ... A central location (such as the Village pump or other relevant noticeboards) for discussions that have a wider impact such as policy or guideline discussions. GGTF was set up to increase the number of female editors, which in turn should and will have a wider impact on Wikipedia. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 06:48, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

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What was the consensus? Someone removed the image I added, shouldn’t we have an image depicting the result of Anal Bleaching? Sprucecopse (talk) 05:24, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Is there a picture which a reliable source has verified shows the results of anal bleaching? Johnuniq (talk) 06:59, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Consensus seems to be that images need to show the result otherwise it's just pornographic with no value. WP:VERIFY does not apply to images unless they also contain research matter or diagrams and illustrations conveying such so I'll welcome anyone that can upload a picture and reasonably state it's before and after. Biofase flame | stalk 13:31, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Mentions
A user keeps on reverting these changing the reason for doing so. First it was that mentions are not encyclopedic or notable. Then it changed into the sources not being adequate when it appears they mostly are. There seems to be a consensus they should stay though. Biofase flame | stalk 01:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The text was (diff) "It was mentioned in Brüno (2009) and Bridesmaids (2011), Impractical Jokers (2021), Cunk on Earth (2022) and in women-focused magazines such as Marie Claire." with a few website refs. That is trivial content from primary sources and facebook. Readers can use Google to find where something is mentioned—that is not encyclopedic content. Johnuniq (talk) 01:34, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not seeing this frankly. Johnbod (talk) 01:40, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you're referring to with not seeing it. Biofase flame | stalk 02:01, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

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The player controls a character named Quiffy who is the last of his race of small green creatures. He lives underground in a series of sewers and tunnels. His mission is to reach the surface by navigating all the sewers, whilst they are slowly flooding. Quiffy can walk on walls and ceilings.

Gameplay
Quiffy must collect all of the various pieces of litter on the level and then find the exit to complete each level. In general the litter is not particularly hidden, it is just distributed around the level. Quiffy can climb on most walls and ceilings, and swim through water. He has energy which depletes upon touching dangerous objects, but can also die instantly when touching any of the few lethal objects. Although he can swim and has the appearance of an amphibious life-form, he can only breathe above water and will start to drown if he runs out of air.

In each level, the player is followed by the ghost of Aunt Matilda, copying the player's movements and starts off about 15 seconds behind. However, she is very slightly faster and will eventually catch up. Touching the ghost will hurt Quiffy. Quiffy starts each level with no weapon, and can pick up any of five available weapons. He can only hold one of these at any time and if he picks up another one, it will swap for the current one.

Most of the levels have taps in them, which pour water in to the level. The modelling of the water was quite advanced for a home computer game of its time; the water will flow to the lowest point that it can and when multiple taps are pouring water in one place, it will fill up proportionally fast. A lot of levels feature taps in all areas so the entire level will eventually flood, leaving Quiffy with no available source of air. This aspect is how the game derives its title. There are various enemies on each level, some of which have special properties. In general the enemies move around in a specific pattern, and when killed will throw a heart up which will return health to Quiffy.

Reception
The game was reviewed in 1990 in Dragon #164 by Hartley, Patricia, and Kirk Lesser in "The Role of Computers" column. The reviewers gave the game 4 out of 5 stars.

Reviews

 * The One for Amiga Games (Jul, 1991)
 * The One for ST Games (Jul, 1991)
 * Computer and Video Games (Aug, 1990)
 * ST Format (Aug, 1990)
 * The One (Jul, 1990)
 * ST Format (Jul, 1991)
 * Amiga Joker (Sep, 1990)
 * The Games Machine (Sep, 1990)
 * Atari ST User (Sep, 1990)
 * The Games Machine (Aug, 1990)
 * ACE (Advanced Computer Entertainment) (Sep, 1990)
 * Amiga Power (May, 1991)

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Matotumba
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Pouch (marsupial)

The pouch is a distinguishing feature of female marsupials, monotremes (and rarely in the males as in the yapok and the extinct thylacine); the name marsupial is derived from the Latin marsupium, meaning "pouch". This is due to the occurrence of epipubic bones, a pair of bones projecting forward from the pelvis. Marsupials give birth to a live but relatively undeveloped foetus called a joey. When the joey is born it crawls from inside the mother to the pouch. The pouch is a fold of skin with a single opening that covers the teats. Inside the pouch, the blind offspring attaches itself to one of the mother's teats and remains attached for as long as it takes to grow and develop to a juvenile stage.

Variations
Pouches are different amongst different marsupials, two kinds distinguishable (on the front or belly): opening towards the head and extending the cavity under the skin towards the tail (forward, or up) or opening towards the tail and extending towards the front legs (to the rear, backward or down). For example for quolls and Tasmanian devils, the pouch opens to the rear and the joey only has to travel a short distance to get to the opening (resting place) of the pouch. While in the pouch they are permanently attached to the teat and once the young have developed they leave the pouch. The kangaroo's pouch opens horizontally on the front of the body, and the joey must climb a relatively long way to reach it. Kangaroos and wallabies allow their young to live in the pouch well after they are physically capable of leaving, often keeping two joeys in the pouch, one tiny and one fully developed. In kangaroos, wallabies and opossums, the pouch opens forward or up.

Female koalas have been described as having a ‘backward-opening’ pouch like wombats, as opposed to an upward-opening pouch like kangaroos, but that is not true. When a female koala gives birth to young her pouch opening faces neither up nor down, although it is located towards the bottom of the pouch rather than at the top. It faces straight outwards rather than ‘backwards’. It sometimes appears to be ‘backward-facing’ because when the joey is older and leans out of the pouch, this pulls the pouch downwards or ‘backwards’. The pouch has a strong sphincter muscle at the opening to prevent the joey from falling out.

In wombats and marsupial moles, the pouch opens backward or down. Backwards facing pouches would not work well in kangaroos or opossums as their young would readily fall out. Similarly, forward-facing pouches would not work well for wombats and marsupial moles as they both dig extensively underground. Their pouches would fill up with dirt and suffocate the developing young. Kangaroo mothers will lick their pouches clean before the joey crawls inside. Kangaroo pouches are sticky to support their young joey. Koalas are unable to clean out their pouches since they face backwards, so just prior to giving birth to the young koala joey, a self-cleaning system is activated, secreting droplets of an anti-microbial liquid that cleans it out. In a relatively short time, the cleansing droplets clean out all of the crusty material left inside, leaving an almost sterile environment ready to receive the tiny joey.

The water opossum and the now extinct Tasmanian tiger are the only two marsupials where the male also has a pouch (in order to protect their genitalia while swimming).

Some marsupials (e.g. phascogales) lack the true, permanent pouches seen in other species. Instead, they form temporary skin folds (sometimes called "pseudo-pouches") in the mammary region when reproducing. This type of pouch also occurs in echidnas which are monotremes.

Pouches have their own microbiota and it changes depending on reproductive stage: anoestrus, pre-oestrus, oestrus/birth, post-birth. Changes can be made to the appearance of the pouch by inducing oestrus.

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Jamieson, Victoria

Jamieson is a small town in Victoria, Australia. It is located at the junction of the Goulburn River and Jamieson River, 193 km north-east of Melbourne. The name is believed to have been derived from George Jamieson, a shepherd who grazed sheep in the area in the 1850s. At the time of the, Jamieson had a population of 301.

History
The area was first settled in 1860 and by 1861 approximately 300 people were working the goldfields. According to the book Jamieson Founders and Families by Dr. Brian Lloyd, the first Post Office in the upper Goulburn district was at Mansfield in 1858. The first Post and Telegraph Office at Jamieson was on the west side of Bank Street. When the Oriental Bank closed down in 1865, the Post Office was moved across the street to occupy the bank building. The Post Office at its current location in Perkins St was from about 1872.

The town site was surveyed in 1862, and a borough council was established in 1864. By 1865 the town had a Catholic chapel, an Anglican church, a school, a courthouse and police station, two banks, two insurance offices, five hotels, and several stores. Jamieson reached its peak in the 1870s, but a sharp decline soon followed. Most mining operations had ceased by the beginning of the First World War, and Black Friday bushfires destroyed many mine workings in 1939.

By the 1990s, the town had become a popular tourist destination, boosted by Lake Eildon (situated adjacent to the Jamieson township and formed by the damming of the Goulburn River) reaching 100% capacity in 1996. However, the tourism industry suffered in the early 2000s following a drought that affected Lake Eildon. In March 2007, the capacity of the lake reached a historic low of 7.9%.

The Jamieson Magistrates' Court closed on 1 January 1983.

Jamieson today
Jamieson has a permanent population of around 250. It is a popular destination for four wheel drive enthusiasts, fishers, and amateur gold diggers. It is close to Lake Eildon and the Mount Buller snowfields. The town has two hotels, a caravan park, and several bed and breakfast establishments.

2006-07 Victorian Bushfires
In December 2006, Victoria's North-East was affected by many bushfires that threatened to merge into fewer, but bigger fire fronts. Jamieson was one town at the centre of attention during these times, used as a major post for firefighters and media (Free-to-Air, Pay TV, and newspaper journalists were based in the town). Luckily for Jamieson, fire breaks helped the Mount Terrible fire stay away from the town centre. It was also helped by a late Southerly Change that brought rain. However, a short distance, both East and South East (Jamieson-Licola and Mansfield-Woods Point Roads) of the town were burnt in the blaze.

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Jonathan Togo

Jonathan Frederick Togo (born August 25, 1977) is an American actor, best known for his role in CSI: Miami as Ryan Wolfe.

Early life
Togo was born in Rockland, Massachusetts, the son of Sheila, a housewife and former visual merchandiser and Michael Togo, a commercial artist and graphic designer who previously worked for the Boston Globe. Sheila Togo runs Simply Sheila, a booth at the SoWa Open Market in Boston.

Togo's mother is of Italian and Irish descent, and his father is Jewish. The original surname, "Tonkaviev", was shortened by a forefather who wanted something snappier for his carpet business.

He attended Hebrew school as a child and graduated from Rockland High School in 1995, where he was a wrestler. He attended the Project Contemporary Competitiveness, Advanced Study Program (a.k.a. PCC ASP) as a student in 1991 and 1992, then worked as a proctor in 1996.

He attended Vassar College, graduating with a B.A. in theater. He studied at the National Theater Institute of the Eugene O’Neill Theater.

While at Vassar, Togo was classmates with future Bravery singer/songwriter Sam Endicott and keyboardist John Conway. The three played in various bands together in the Poughkeepsie area.

Career
Togo has performed and participated in numerous plays, including Our Country's Good. While he is most famous for his role as Ryan Wolfe in CSI: Miami, he has other TV show credits including a starring role in Special Unit 2, as well as appearances in Judging Amy. He also played a store clerk in Mystic River.

In 2008, Togo wrote and directed a web series, My Best Friend Is My Penis, for Atom.com.

Togo also starred in the web series ''Casted: The Continuing Chronicles of Derek Riffchyn, Greatest Casting Director in the World. Ever'', playing the lead role of Derek: a sassy, somewhat abusive, and extremely crass casting director. Togo's real-life best friend Justin Long plays his assistant, Scott. In 2010, Togo signed on to play twin brothers Richard and Mark (who fall in love with the same woman), in the movie Identical.

In September 2013, it was announced that Togo would be part of the cast in the fourth season of Covert Affairs.

Personal life
Togo was married to actress Diora Baird from 2013 to 2016; they have one child. He then married writer Tiffany Baker on January 17, 2019. In March 2021, Baker gave birth to their first child, a daughter.

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Fair use in Firestorm (Tvangeste album)
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John Ringling

John Nicholas Ringling (May 31, 1866 – December 2, 1936) was an American entrepreneur who is the best known of the seven Ringling brothers, five of whom merged the Barnum & Bailey Circus with their own Ringling Bros. World's Greatest Shows to create a virtual monopoly of traveling circuses and helped shape the modern circus. In addition to owning and managing many of the largest circuses in the United States, he was also a rancher, a real estate developer and art collector. He was inducted into the Florida Artists Hall of Fame in 1987.

Early circus life
John was born in McGregor, Iowa, the fifth son in a family of seven sons and a daughter born to a French mother, Marie Salomé Juliar, and German father, August Ringling (a farmer and harness maker). The original family name was "Ruengeling". Five of those sons worked together to build a circus empire.

The Ringlings started their first show in 1870 as "The Ringling Bros. United Monster Shows, Great Double Circus, Royal European Menagerie, Museum, Caravan, and Congress of Trained Animals", charging a penny for admission. In 1882, it was known as "The Ringling Bros. Classic and Comic Concert Company". By 1889, the circus was large enough to travel on railroad cars, rather than animal-drawn wagons.

In 1905, John married Mable Burton. In 1907, the brothers bought the Barnum & Bailey circus for $400,000 from the estate of James Anthony Bailey and ran the two circuses as separate entities until the end of the 1918 season. John worked the circus with his brothers, declaring "We divided the work; but stood together." John took the advance position, traveling ahead and booking the appearances and Charles was the operating manager.

Building the circus empire
After purchasing Barnum & Bailey's Greatest Show on Earth from the estate of James Bailey in 1907, the Ringling brothers were recognized as the "Circus Kings" in the United States as they controlled not only the show that carried their own name, but also the Barnum & Bailey circus and the Adam Forepaugh and Sells Brothers Circus.

In the early 1900s the ranks of the brothers began thinning as Otto died unexpectedly in 1911. Four years later, the oldest sibling, Al Ringling also died, followed by brother Henry in 1918. At the same time that family management was evolving, the Ringlings were challenged by keeping two mammoth circuses touring during World War I. Manpower shortages, combined with railroad restrictions and the 1918 flu pandemic all contributed in the decision to merge the Ringling Bros World's Greatest Shows and the Barnum & Bailey Greatest Show on Earth at the end of the 1918 season. On October 8, 1918, the Ringling Bros. season concluded after performances in Waycross, Georgia, and the circus trains were routed to the Barnum & Bailey Winter Quarters in Bridgeport, Connecticut. During the winter of 1918-19 the two circuses were combined into one enormous show, and on March 29, 1919, the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus debuted at Madison Square Garden in New York City.

After the death of Alf T. Ringling in 1919, brothers John and Charles made the decision to move the Winter Quarters to Sarasota, Florida, in 1927 where the brothers were having success in real estate speculation. Although a resident of Sarasota, Charles died in 1926 before the move was complete. With the death of brother Charles, John was now the last of the Ringling brothers. Although other family members had inherited stock in the company, as President he continued to manage the circus in the years prior to The Great Depression.

During the 1920s, Ringling built Gray Crag, a 20-room manor house on an estate that was their summer residence in Alpine, New Jersey, atop the New Jersey Palisades and overlooking the Hudson River. Ringling would bring the circus troupe across the river from Yonkers, New York, with acrobats and animals to entertain their guests at parties. With the financial and personal difficulties that Ringling faced during the Great Depression, control of the property was lost and the house was ultimately demolished in November 1935.

In 1909 John and his wife, Mable began spending their winters in Sarasota. The couple bought bay front property from Mary Louise and Charles N. Thompson, another circus manager who engaged several members of the Ringling family in land investments on the Florida Gulf Coast. Ringling commissioned a 30-room mansion which was inspired by the Venetian Gothic palaces, designed by New York architect Dwight James Baum, and built by Owen Burns, It was completed in 1926 and named Cà d'Zan, "The House of John" in Venetian. Later a museum was built on the grounds of the estate for their art collection. Because of their investments in real estate and the later development of the circus winter quarters as a tourist attraction, John and his brother, Charles are seen as pioneers in the development of Sarasota. After some 40 years in the entertainment business, along with his ownership of railroads, oil field and ranches John had become one of the richest men in the world. In addition he was a world traveler as he was always looking for new acts for his circus. It was during these travels to Europe that he began establishing a collection of old world masterpieces and a collection of Baroque art including four cartoons for tapestries by Peter Paul Rubens.

In 1929, John Ringling bought the American Circus Corporation, which consisted of the Sells-Floto Circus, the Hagenbeck-Wallace Circus, the John Robinson Circus, the Sparks Circus, Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show, and the Al G. Barnes Circus. He bought them from Jerry Mugivan, Bert Bowers, and Ed Ballard, for $1.7 million (approximately $0 today). With that acquisition, Ringling owned all of the major traveling circuses in America.

In 1933, the last of the Brothers Ringling, ill and aging John, who had owned more circuses than any other man on earth and whose fortune was once estimated to be $50,000,000, hobbled into a Federal Court in Brooklyn to testify on the loan that brought him low. The firm that held his note was in bankruptcy. At a prize fight in 1929, Mr. Ringling related, he met William M. Greve, president of New York Investors, Inc. (realty), who agreed to lend him $1,700,000. As collateral Mr. Ringling put up one-half of all his circus stocks. Shortly afterward New York Investors sold the Ringling note to the now bankrupt subsidiary. While ill last year, Mr. Ringling had been unable to meet an interest payment of about $18,000. Financier Greve promptly marched out to Coney Island. Threatening to attach the circus receipts, Financier Greve demanded: "Put all your assets in a bag and give them to me."

That night, despite a fever of 104, Mr. Ringling was put in a wheelchair and brought to another room. Over the protest of his nurse he signed papers which gave most of his assets to New York Investors. Later he learned that swift Mr. Greve had formed a voting trust to hold the Ringling stocks and manage the circuses, another trust to hold some of the Titians, Rembrandts, Hals, Rubens from his famed collection in Sarasota, Fla. Mr. Ringling was left with nothing. But he was one of the five voting trustees, and as soon as he could pay off the loan he would get his bag of assets back.

Other businesses and activities
Ringling was involved in many businesses, including; railroads in Missouri, Montana, Ohio, Oklahoma, and Texas; oil in Oklahoma; real estate in Florida.
 * Chatham and Phenix National Bank of New York, director and shareholder.
 * Eastland, Wichita Falls and Gulf Railroad, from Mangum to Breckwalker.
 * John and Mable Ringling Museum of Art, founder, Sarasota, Florida.
 * John Ringling Real Estate Company, president, Sarasota.
 * Kansas City, Mexico, and Orient Railroad Company, director.
 * Madison Square Garden Corporation, vice-president, and chairman of the board.
 * Madison Square Garden Sporting Company, president.
 * Oklahoma, New Mexico and Pacific Railway (nicknamed the Ringling Railroad); president and financier. Chartered January 8, 1913, sold to the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway (AT&SF) in 1926.  Jake L. Hamon was the operator and Ringling's business agent for the railroad.
 * Ringling and Oil Fields Railway, president. Chartered November 23, 1916, leased to the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway in July, 1925, and sold to the AT&SF in 1926.
 * White Sulphur Springs and Yellowstone Park Railway, president.

Namesakes

 * Ringling, Montana, was named for John Ringling, who at one time was president of the White Sulphur Springs and Yellowstone Park Railway. John Ringling had a family summer home in White Sulphur Springs and purchased the hot springs there with the intent of building a resort spa and $1 million dollar 220-room hotel.
 * Ringling, Oklahoma, also named for Ringling, when the Oklahoma, New Mexico and Pacific Railway created the town.
 * The World War II Liberty Ship SS John Ringling was named in his honor.
 * John Ringling Causeway, a road bridge in Sarasota, Florida, over Sarasota Bay connecting Sarasota to Lido Key and Longboat Key. Ringling lived in Sarasota during summers for many decades. Ringling had built the first bridge, in 1925. The current bridge is now the third one (the first one was replaced in 1950, the second one in 2000).

Decline in later life
Ringling's health soon began to fail and the Great Depression (which gripped the nation almost as soon as he acquired the American Circus Corporation) dealt a severe financial blow to the John Ringling empire. He lost virtually his entire fortune, but was able to retain his home, the museum and his extensive art collection. His wife, Mable, died in June 1929 and he remarried on June 19, 1930, to Emily Haag Buck in Jersey City, New Jersey.

Ringling was voted out of control of the business in 1932 by its board of directors and Sam Gumpertz was named vice president and general manager of the circus.

John and Emily Haag Buck divorced on July 6, 1936.

Death
John Ringling died on December 2, 1936, in New York City. He was the last Ringling brother to die, as well as the longest-lived of the Ringling brothers. He was the only brother to reach his 70s. Once one of the world's wealthiest men, he died with only $311 in the bank. At his death, he willed his Sarasota mansion, the museum, and his entire art collection to the state of Florida. The house, Cà d'Zan, and the John and Mable Ringling Museum of Art offer visitors a glimpse into the lifestyle of the Roaring 20s, a renowned art collection and library. Another of John's legacies is the Ringling College of Art and Design, which asked to adopt his name because of the cultural influence of the museum and its collection. A museum devoted to the Ringling Brothers Circus has been established on the estate also.

After his death, the circus was operated by his nephew, John Ringling North, who sold the circus to Judge Roy Hofheinz of Houston and Washington, D.C., promoters Irvin Feld and Israel Feld in 1967.

In 1991, John and Mable Ringling and his sister, Ida Ringling North, were exhumed from their original resting places and reburied at the John and Mable Ringling Museum of Art, just in front and to the right of the Ca d'Zan. It is called the secret garden and John is buried between the two women.

The Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus eventually closed after 146 years; in the face of weakening attendance, animal rights protests, and high operating costs, it performed its final show on May 21, 2017, at Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum.

The Ringling family
There were seven Ringling brothers and one sister (Ida), four of them (Alf, Al, Charles, and Otto) partnered with John to create the Ringling Bros. circus:

 * Albert Charles "Al" Ringling (1852–1916).
 * Augustus Gustav "Gus" Ringling, Jr. (1854–1907); also listed as Charles August (Gus).
 * William Henry Otto "Otto" Ringling (1858–1911).
 * Alfred Theodore "Alf T." Ringling (1861–1919).
 * Charles Edward "Charley" Ringling (1863–1926); also listed birth year 1864.
 * John Nicholas Ringling (1866–1936).
 * Henry William George Ringling (1868–1918).
 * Ida Loraina Wilhelmina Ringling (1874–1950).

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List of programs broadcast by Toon Disney

This is a list of television programs that have been broadcast by Toon Disney (now Disney XD) in the United States. The channel was launched on April 18, 1998, as a spinoff of Disney Channel, and aired mostly syndicated animated programming, ranging from action to comedy.

The first program broadcast on Toon Disney was "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" segment featuring Mickey Mouse from Fantasia. It was followed by a sampling of other Mickey Mouse shorts and episodes of Timon and Pumbaa, The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Goof Troop, TaleSpin, and Aladdin.

The list does not include the programs that were introduced as Jetix, a block on Toon Disney that ran from 2004 to 2009.

Former programming

 * 1 Also aired on ABC Kids from ABC.
 * 2 Also aired on Disney's One Too from UPN.
 * 3 Integrated into the Disney XD initial lineup.

Interstitial programming

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 * Toons in the House (2000–2001)
 * Princess Power Hour (2000–2007)
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 * Toon Disney Treasure Cove (2007–2008)
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 * Friday Night Movie (1998–2001)
 * Double Feature Movie Night (2001–2005)
 * Big Movie Show (2004–2009)
 * Big Movie Weekend (2007–2009)

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 * Scary Toon Afternoon (2001)
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 * Monster of the Month (2001)
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 * Summer Movie Splash 2 (2005)
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James Fordyce

James Fordyce, DD (1720–1 October 1796), was a Scottish Presbyterian minister and poet. He is best known for his collection of sermons published in 1766 as Sermons for Young Women, popularly known as Fordyce's Sermons.

Early life
The third son of George Fordyce (1663–1733) of Broadford, merchant and Provost of Aberdeen (who had twenty children), James Fordyce was born at Aberdeen in the last quarter of 1720. David Fordyce was his elder brother, Alexander Fordyce and Sir William Fordyce were his younger brothers, and George Fordyce, M.D., was his nephew. After the Aberdeen High School Fordyce went to Marischal College, where he was educated for the ministry. On 23 February 1743 he was licensed by the Aberdeen presbytery.

In September 1744 he was presented by the Crown to the second charge at Brechin, Forfarshire. His admission was delayed, when the parishioners stood out for their right of election; he was ordained at Brechin on 28 August 1745. His position was not comfortable, and he did not get on with his colleague. In 1753 he took his degree of M.A. at Marischal College, and in the same year he received a presentation to Alloa, Clackmannanshire. The parishioners wanted another man; however, Fordyce got a call on 5 June, demitted his charge at Brechin on 29 August, and was admitted at Alloa on 12 October 1753. Here he was on better terms with his congregation, and acquired a reputation as a preacher. He published several sermons; in 1760 his sermon before the General Assembly on the 'folly, infamy, and misery of unlawful pleasures' created an impression. The University of Glasgow made him a Doctor of Divinity.

Preacher in London
With several members of his family established in London, in 1760 he was chosen as colleague to Samuel Lawrence, D.D., minister of the presbyterian congregation in Monkwell Street. He demitted his charge at Alloa on 30 May, and was released from it on 18 June 1760. Lawrence died on 1 October, and Fordyce became sole pastor. He preached only on Sunday afternoons, the morning lecturer being Thomas Toller, Lawrence's son-in-law.

Fordyce's delivery and gestures were studied, and he drew crowds to Monkwell Street. His topics were didactic, but he also satisfied cultured tastes, and dealt with the ethics of actual life. David Garrick was impressed; Fordyce associated with Samuel Johnson, and introduced him to Hugh Blair. He gave sympathetic account in Addresses to the Deity, 1785, of Johnson's religious character, speaking as an evangelical moderate.

Fordyce's popularity lasted for about twelve years. Several causes contributed to its decline. In 1772 the banking failure of his brother Alexander involved the ruin of some adherents, and the loss of many friends. In 1775 the congregation was split by a quarrel between Fordyce and Toller, and Fordyce had Toller dismissed on 28 February 1775. A large part of the congregation moved with Toller to an independent meeting-house in Silver Street.

Later life
With a diminished congregation, and under medical advice, Fordyce resigned his office at Christmas 1782. His charge at the ordination of his successor, James Lindsay, D.D., on 21 May 1783, was highly regarded. He retired to a country residence near Christchurch, Hampshire, where he was a neighbour of Lord Bute, who gave him the use of his library.

On the death (1792) of his brother, Sir William Fordyce, he removed to Bath, Somerset. He was troubled with asthma, and died suddenly of syncope on 1 October 1796 in his seventy-sixth year. He was buried in one of the parish churches of Bath; a funeral sermon was preached by Lindsay at Monkwell Street on 16 October. He married in 1771, the governess Henrietta Cumming, who died in Bath on 10 January 1823, aged 89. There was no issue of the marriage. One of his nieces was Elizabeth Isabelle Spence.

Works
He published:

 * 'The Eloquence of the Pulpit,' &c., 1752, (ordination sermon; often reprinted with David Fordyce's ' Theodorus').
 * 'The Temple of Virtue,' &c., 1757, (by David Fordyce; but this edition has additional matter by James Fordyce).
 * 'The Folly … of Unlawful Pleasures,' &c., 1760; 2nd edit. Edinb. 1768.
 * 'Sermons to Young Women,' 1765, 2 vols., often reprinted.
 * 'The Character and Conduct of the Female Sex,' 1776.
 * 'Addresses to Young Men,' 1777, 2 vols.
 * 'Addresses to the Deity,' 1785.
 * 'Poems,' 1786.
 * 'A Discourse on Pain,' 1791, (Chalmers refers to a certain 'cure for the cramp' here given, and connects it with a passage from Beaumont and Fletcher).

Also a sermon on popery (1754), reprinted 1779; ordination sermon and charge (1755); sermon on Eccles. xi. 1 (1757); funeral sermon for Samuel Lawrence (1760); sermon on Prov. viii. 6, 7 (1775); charge at ordination of James Lindsay (1783). His book Sermons for Young Women was also published in an American edition (First Boston Edition) in 1796, by Thomas Hill, printers.

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 * Be Bold
 * Don't let grumpy users scare you off
 * Wikiquette
 * Contributing to Wikipedia
 * User page
 * How to upload files
 * Image copyright tags

Also: To sign comments on talk pages, simply type four tildes, like this: ~~~~. This will automatically add your username and the time after your comments. Signing with three tildes ~~~ will just sign your username. I hope to see you around Wikipedia! If you have any questions, feel free to contact me on my talk page!

Johann Wolfgang [ T ... C ]

03:56, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

title: User talk:Zephyr415


text:
User talk:Krk44

Welcome
Welcome to Wikipedia , I hope you will like it here and decide to stay.

You may want to take a look at the welcome page, tutorial, and stylebook, avoiding common mistakes and Wikipedia is not pages.

Here are some links I've found useful:
 * Editing, policy, conduct, and structure tutorial
 * Picture tutorial
 * How to write a great article
 * Manual of Style
 * The Five Pillars of Wikipedia
 * Merge
 * New user log
 * Be Bold
 * Don't let grumpy users scare you off
 * Wikiquette
 * Contributing to Wikipedia
 * User page
 * How to upload files
 * Image copyright tags

Also: To sign comments on talk pages, simply type four tildes, like this: ~~~~. This will automatically add your username and the time after your comments. Signing with three tildes ~~~ will just sign your username. I hope to see you around Wikipedia! If you have any questions, feel free to contact me on my talk page!

Johann Wolfgang [ T ... C ]

03:56, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

title: User talk:Krk44


text:
User talk:Dczhang

Welcome
Welcome to Wikipedia , I hope you will like it here and decide to stay.

You may want to take a look at the welcome page, tutorial, and stylebook, avoiding common mistakes and Wikipedia is not pages.

Here are some links I've found useful:
 * Editing, policy, conduct, and structure tutorial
 * Picture tutorial
 * How to write a great article
 * Manual of Style
 * The Five Pillars of Wikipedia
 * Merge
 * New user log
 * Be Bold
 * Don't let grumpy users scare you off
 * Wikiquette
 * Contributing to Wikipedia
 * User page
 * How to upload files
 * Image copyright tags

Also: To sign comments on talk pages, simply type four tildes, like this: ~~~~. This will automatically add your username and the time after your comments. Signing with three tildes ~~~ will just sign your username. I hope to see you around Wikipedia! If you have any questions, feel free to contact me on my talk page!

Johann Wolfgang [ T ... C ]

03:56, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

title: User talk:Dczhang