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The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (video game)

The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King is a 2003 hack and slash action game developed by EA Redwood Shores for the PlayStation 2 and Windows. It was ported to the GameCube and Xbox by Hypnos Entertainment, to the Game Boy Advance by Griptonite Games, to mobile by ImaginEngine, and to Mac OS X by Beenox. The game was published by Electronic Arts. It is the sequel to the 2002 game The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers.

The game is an adaptation of Peter Jackson's 2002 film The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers and his 2003 film The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, which was released shortly after the game. As it is not an adaptation of J. R. R. Tolkien's 1954 novel, The Return of the King, the third volume in Lord of the Rings, anything from the novel not specifically mentioned or depicted in the films could not be represented in the game. This is because, at the time, Vivendi Universal Games, in partnership with Tolkien Enterprises, held the rights to the video game adaptations of Tolkien's literary works, whilst Electronic Arts held the rights to the video game adaptations of the New Line Cinema films.

The game is similar to its predecessor in basic gameplay, but differs by adding multiple storylines, more playable characters and increased interaction with environments. A two-player co-op mode is also available for some missions. As with The Two Towers, The Return of the King was developed in close collaboration with the filmmakers, using many of the actual reference photos, drawings, models, props and other assets from the film. The game was met with positive critical reception for its graphics, audio, and gameplay, although its camera positioning and short length were criticized.

Gameplay
Described by the developers as a modern version of Gauntlet, The Return of the King is a hack and slash action game played from a third-person perspective. The game is very similar to its predecessor in basic gameplay. Each character has a quick attack which does minimal damage and can be easily blocked, and a fierce attack, which does more damage, but is slower and leaves the player vulnerable to attack. Only fierce attacks can break enemy shields. Each character also has a ranged attack, a "killing move" (which can be used to instantly kill downed enemies), a parry (which can deflect enemy attacks), a knock back (which pushes nearby enemies away), a jump back (in which the player character jumps back away from the enemy), a devastating attack (a charged fierce attack) and a special ability. Playable characters in the console and PC versions are Gandalf, Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli, Frodo and Sam, with Faramir, Pippin and Merry available as unlockable characters. Playable characters in the GBA version are Legolas, Gimli, Frodo, Gandalf, and Éowyn.

Each playable character has their own set of combos and attributes. After the end of each level the player can upgrade their characters' abilities and combos using experience points. The number of points available to the player depends on the efficiency of their kills. During each level, the player will be continually graded on the skill with which they dispatch enemies; "Fair", "Good", "Excellent" and "Perfect." The more skill with which the player kills, the more experience they acquire. The player's skill is measured by an on-screen meter which increases as the player dispatches enemies. To avoid the meter dropping back down, the player must avoid being hit, and kill enemies using a variety of different methods. When a player reaches a Perfect level, all of their attacks increase in strength, and the experience from each kill is doubled. However, Perfect status only lasts for a brief period of time. A new aspect of Return of the King is that at the end of each level, rather than purchasing upgrades for the individual character, the player can also purchase "Fellowship" upgrades which apply to every playable character. However, characters will only be able to avail of a particular skill when they have reached the corresponding experience level.

A major change from The Two Towers is the interactive nature of the game environments. The player can operate machinery, for example bridges and catapults, to complete objectives, and use environmental objects as weapons, such as spears and cauldrons, to kill enemies. The levels are also twice the size of the largest level from The Two Towers and many are less linear. Unlike The Two Towers, The Return of the King features a co-op mode, allowing two players to play through the game together. The North American PlayStation 2 version also has an online multiplayer mode, with USB headset support, although this was removed from the European version of the game.

The Game Boy Advance version is played from an isometric three-quarter top-down view. A major gameplay difference in this version is the addition of "runes" which players can etch into their weapons, granting them special abilities. The game also features co-op multiplayer through the Game Boy link function, and unlockable content when connected to the GameCube version via the GameCube – Game Boy Advance link cable.

Plot
Todd Arnold, senior producer of The Return of the King, stated that the game was not intended to re-tell the story of the film, but to allow the player to come as close as possible to experiencing the critical parts of the film for themselves. Levels were designed with this goal in mind, with just enough plot to give context to the player's actions. Liberties were thus taken with the plot, and critics noted there was little footage which could spoil the film for those who had not seen it. GameSpot's Greg Kasavin said "if you didn't know anything about the story of The Return of the King, then the story of the game may be hard to follow, though you'll still get the gist of it." However, he also advised, "in case you don't want any aspect of the movie spoiled for you, it'd be wise to hold off on playing The Return of the King until after you've seen the movie."

Synopsis
The game begins during the Battle of the Hornburg at Helm's Deep, with the Uruk-hai having just penetrated the outer walls. With the defenders falling back to the inner court, Gandalf (voiced by Ian McKellen) appears on a hill-top flanked by thousands of Rohirrim. The player takes control of Gandalf as he enters the battle and helps defeat the Uruk-hai and orc army. After this level, the game splits into three separate mission arcs, each with its own individual set of characters. The "Path of the Wizard" follows Gandalf, the "Path of the King" follows Aragorn (Viggo Mortensen), Legolas (Orlando Bloom) and Gimli (John Rhys-Davies), and the "Path of the Hobbits" follows Frodo (Elijah Wood) and Sam (Sean Astin), although initially only Sam is playable.

The Path of the Wizard continues immediately after the events of the first level. The remains of the Uruk-hai and orc army flee into Fangorn Forest. However, within the forest, the Ents, led by Treebeard, have awoken and joined the fight against Sauron. Gandalf helps the ents as they destroy the rest of the army, and then assists them in bringing down a dam holding back the River Isen. This floods Isengard, trapping Saruman (Christopher Lee), who had joined forces with Sauron, in his tower, Orthanc. Gandalf and Pippin (Billy Boyd) then head to Minas Tirith, capital of Gondor, leaving Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli and the Rohirrim to follow them. Gandalf has gone ahead of the others because Sauron mistakenly believes that Pippin has the Ring, and Gandalf plans to use this confusion to distract Sauron as Frodo and Sam are led by Gollum (Andy Serkis) towards Mount Doom to destroy the Ring. In Minas Tirith, Gandalf helps repulse the enemies from the walls for a time, but eventually, they break through the city's defenses. Gandalf and the soldiers of Minas Tirith then retreat to a courtyard, where they must defend the fleeing civilians from the enemy. Once the people are safely inside, Gandalf can do little but await the arrival of Aragorn.

The Path of the King picks up with Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli and the Rohirrim on the way to Minas Tirith. Before arriving, however, the three companions must walk the Paths of the Dead in an effort to convince the Army of the Dead to join their cause in the War of the Ring. To do so, they must defeat the King of the Dead (Jarion Monroe) in combat. After this, the Paths of the Dead start to collapse, and they must escape before the falling rubble crushes them. With the Army of the Dead pledged to aid them, they travel to Minas Tirith and enter the Battle of the Pelennor Fields. Joining the Rohirrim and the soldiers of Minas Tirith, they face orcs, Easterlings, Haradrim and oliphaunts. They must also defend Merry (Dominic Monaghan) and Éowyn (Lorri Holt), allowing Éowyn the opportunity to defeat the Witch-king of Angmar. As it seems they are about to be overwhelmed, the Army of Dead arrive, destroying the forces of Mordor and saving Minas Tirith.

The Path of the Wizard and Path of the King share the same final level, set at the Black Gate of Mordor. In a further effort to distract Sauron from the approach of Frodo and Sam, Gandalf advises that Aragorn and the remaining army marches to the Gates of Mordor as a direct challenge to Sauron, who will send out a vast army to meet them, thus keeping his attention away from Mount Doom. Upon arriving at the Gate, the party are confronted by the Mouth of Sauron (Roger L. Jackson), who tells them that Frodo is dead. They kill him and must then face a massive army of orcs, before fighting the remaining Nazgûl. Not believing Frodo to be dead, they plan to fight as long as they can, so as to give Frodo enough time to destroy the Ring.

In The Path of the Hobbits, Frodo, Sam and Gollum must first escape from Osgiliath, fighting past orcs to get to the sewers and ensuring that Frodo is not kidnapped by the Nazgûl. However, upon escaping, Gollum decides to betray them and take the Ring back for himself. He tricks Frodo into going on without Sam, but Sam follows them into Shelob's lair. In the lair, Gollum abandons Frodo, and Sam must fight past giant spiders and orcs, eventually facing Shelob herself, who has attacked Frodo. Sam defeats Shelob, but upon reaching Frodo, he mistakenly believes him to be dead. About to go to Mount Doom on his own, he hides as a group of orcs arrive and hears them say that Frodo is alive but unconscious. They take him with them as Sam follows them to the Tower of Cirith Ungol. As Sam is about to enter the Tower, the orcs begin fighting among themselves, and Sam uses the distraction to rescue Frodo. Together, they head to Mount Doom. However, before Frodo can throw the Ring into the lava below, he is attacked by Gollum, who takes the Ring. In the final level, the player controls Frodo as he fights Gollum on the edge of the precipice. Frodo successfully defeats Gollum, knocking him into the lava and destroying the Ring forever.

Development
Following the success of the video game tie-in of The Two Towers film, an adaptation of The Return of the King was announced on 25 April 2003. While The Two Towers was released on the three major consoles (PlayStation 2, GameCube and Xbox) and the Game Boy Advance, The Return of the King was also set for release on PC. Executive producer Neil Young revealed playable characters would include Gandalf, Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli, Frodo, Sam and two to four unlockable characters. He also stated the characters' fighting styles would be much more differentiated from one another than they had been in Two Towers, and he explained the game would offer three separate story branches rather than one, but the player would be unable to complete the game or get to the final level by playing through only one branch. Young stated "there are certain gates that prevent the player from progressing that might break the fiction, but that motivates them to essentially bring a party of characters through the game to its conclusion." The development team originally had been working on a new game engine from scratch for The Return of the King. With progress stalling about a year into development, the team turned to the engine used for EA Sports' Tiger Woods PGA Tour series, which was similarly built to craft expansive areas with large structures located throughout the world, and used it as a foundation for the engine built for The Return of the King.

EA debuted the game at the 2003 E3 event in May, announcing that compared to Two Towers, Return of the King had more playable characters, larger and less linear levels, multiple narrative paths, bigger and more intelligent bosses, interactive environments, and a co-op mode. Footage from the films and parts of Howard Shore's score would feature, and members of the film's cast would lend their voices and likenesses to the game. On 15 May, a playable demo was made available for the PS2, featuring the first Minas Tirith level along with a non-playable demo of the co-op gameplay in a customized level specifically designed for E3. EA also revealed they were working on having Gollum as a playable character, although this ultimately did not happen, except in the GBA version.

The developers called The Return of the King "bigger and better" than The Two Towers. "In The Two Towers the player would occasionally run into 10 or 15 enemies," said lead game designer Chris Tremmel, "in The Return of the King there are areas where the player faces up to 40 orcs [...] Fans familiar with The Two Towers will find that the combat experience in The Return of the King feels familiar but much deeper." Before creating levels, the developers would initially look at the script and determine what parts from the film to highlight in that particular level, and how to structure that event as a mission. They would then write in-depth level designs out on paper, going into details such as combat setup, special props and enemy types, all the while using the film as their main reference point. They would then create an animatic of the level, working out problems and fine-tuning design concepts. The levels would then be created in the game environment. The game is also graphically improved over The Two Towers. According to Neil Young, "we've developed some new lighting techniques to allow the characters to look richer. We are pushing 2x the number of polys & 2x the texture density [...] we also stream our geometry and textures from the disc so the game has a much higher density of imagery." Enemy AI was improved, and developers also spent a lot of time working on the sound of the game, which was THX certified.

Producer Glen Schofield stated the biggest challenge the developers were facing was "just trying to match the breathtaking look and feel of the movies". Similarly, Neil Young said "We wanted to make something that's authentic and true to the movie. The people on our team really care about making a game that aspires to more than just a sequel, they want to make this equivalent to the movie experience itself." EA Redwood Shores worked closely with New Line Cinema to make the games as authentic as possible, using the actual reference photos, drawings, models, props, lighting studies and motion capture data. EA's partner relations director, Nina Dobner said:

"Both New Line and the film production company in New Zealand are integrally tied into the entire development process of the game. Right from the conceptual stage down to the final production builds, their input is sought and listened to. We don't consider New Line a licensor, but more a true partner. As soon as we have the earliest storyboards and bare bones outline for a game, New Line are right at the table with me, giving their feedback. This is also the stage at which we introduce Peter Jackson, Barrie Osborne and the rest of the film production team to the key concepts and get their feedback. From here on, I meet with the actors, the film-makers and New Line on a regular basis to elicit feedback and new ideas as we move forward with the development. We are so deeply tied into the film production that we actually opened our own offices within the 3 foot 6 Weta offices in New Zealand during the pick-up shooting so we could be closer to the action and the assets."

Dobner said that during the development of the game, she traveled to New Zealand once a month with builds of the game for the filmmakers to play, and on which to give their feedback, and that in total, EA had acquired a quarter of a million different assets from the production. Schofield further pointed out "we even hired the same stunt doubles from the movie to help us render the most realistic movements in the game." Dobner also said "we want the game to not just look like the films but to be exactly like the films." She commented that no details in the game were made up; "when we were reproducing Minas Tirith [...] we felt the team would benefit from being able to see and feel a piece of the actual movie set. Unfortunately, the set had already been dismantled. So, while in New Zealand, I searched the various warehouses to find remnants of the dismantled set. After much work, I returned to San Francisco proudly bearing four bricks from the Minas Tirith set."

Reception
The Return of the King received "generally favorably reviews" across all systems; the Game Boy Advance version holds an aggregate score of 77 out of 100 on Metacritic, based on 13 reviews; the GameCube version 84 out of 100, based on 23 reviews; the PC version 78 out of 100, based on 18 reviews; the PlayStation 2 version 85 out of 100, based on 31 reviews; and the Xbox version 84 out of 100, based on 31 reviews.

As an adaptation, the game was praised by GameZone's Michael Knutson as "the best movie to game conversion that has come out in a long time" and by GameSpy's Raymond Padilla as setting "a new standard for video game adaptations of movies."

The graphics and THX-certified audio were lauded by critics. The game's animations, scenery,  player models,  cutscenes,  music   and voice acting  were particularly well received. "Sound effects used in the game will also blow you away," Knutson said, "Everything from the explosions, swords clashing, hundreds of incoming enemies storming your way, all sounds like it came directly from the movie!" GameSpot's Greg Kasavin noted that "Frame rate issues do affect each version of the game, to varying degrees, and none of the character models for the main characters look all that remarkable," but conceded that "all other aspects of The Return of the King's graphics are outstanding [...] The game's audio is even more effective than the graphics at conveying the intensity of the action." Ian McKellen's narration of the game as Gandalf was also praised by GameSpot and Game Informer.

The game's combat was praised by most critics. Electronic Gaming Monthlys Crispin Boyer described the game as "a thrill ride. And not just 'cause Return of the King unleashes larger hordes of foes than last year's equally slick Two Towers prequel. Many of Return of the Kings levels actually force you to multitask while you hack and slash." PC Gamer UK's Tony Ellis wrote "combat in RotK is superbly satisfying. Your blows connect with a solid, visceral thud you can almost feel." He also noted the variation between levels. Eurogamer's Kristan Reed praised the "subtleties of the combat." In contrast, Game Informer's Matthew Kato found the gameplay to be "repetitious", writing "sometimes I got the feeling that I was working harder only to have less fun than in Two Towers." The co-op mode was also praised.

The Return of the King was criticized for its poor camera placement. "What's the use of a new graphics engine and character models when the view is from so far away?" asked Kato. Reed complained about "camera switches which reverse the controls, or worse, completely obscure your viewpoint. On just about every mission the camera switching confuses the hell out of you." The game's save function was also criticized. Ellis commented that "You can only save after completing a level [...] which is not so good when you're forced to slog through the same sequences over and over again." Critics also complained about the unskippable cut scenes, occasionally unclear objectives and relatively short length.

The GBA version also received good reviews. GameZone's Steve Hopper found it very similar to the GBA version of Two Towers, but wrote "all in all this is solid action game that I can wholeheartedly recommend for gamers who loved The Two Towers and want more of the same brand of hack and slash action." IGN's Craig Harris wrote "the enhancements to the gameplay definitely enhance an already solid action game, and it's also a very recommended two player experience as well. The Return of the King is a nice compliment to a great film, and a decent follow-up to an already enjoyable action title on the handheld." GameSpot's Frank Provo called it "more satisfying and ultimately more playable" than Two Towers, and praised the differentiation between the characters, the graphics and the experience system. GameSpy's Matt Chandronait was less impressed, criticizing the game's "technical flaws," especially its collision detection. He called it a "repetitive beat-'em-up that require[s] dozens of hours of devotion to unlock every last item, level, and character."

Sales and awards
In the United States, the Windows version of The Return of the King sold 240,000 copies and earned $5.5 million by August 2006, after its release in November 2003. It was the country's 86th best-selling computer game during this period. In the United Kingdom, the PlayStation 2 version received a "Platinum" sales award from the Entertainment and Leisure Software Publishers Association (ELSPA), indicating sales of at least 300,000 copies.

The wireless version of Return of the King, developed by JAMDAT, won IGN's "Wireless Game of the Year" award for 2003. At the 2003 Spike Video Game Awards, Return of the King was nominated for two awards; "Best Animation" and "Best Game Based on a Movie". It lost in both categories, to Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball and Enter the Matrix, respectively. During the 7th Annual Interactive Achievement Awards, the Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences awarded the game in two categories: "Outstanding Achievement in Character Performance - Male" (for Elijah Wood's voice role as Frodo) and "Outstanding Achievement in Sound Design"; it also received a nomination for "Computer Action/Adventure Game of the Year". In 2014, IGN included the game in their list of the "5 Best Lord of the Rings Video Games."

Peter Jackson reaction
Despite the game's receiving general critical acclaim and selling well, Peter Jackson, director of the Lord of the Rings film trilogy, stated that the video game tie-in for his next film, King Kong, would not be developed by EA, but by Ubisoft. Jackson's manager claimed that despite EA saying the filmmakers were heavily involved in the making of the game, the developers were not interested in Jackson's input on the game. Additionally, Jackson had played Beyond Good & Evil, and wanted to work with producer Michel Ancel, who was at Ubisoft.


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Could someone try to resolve the Caramanlis versus Karamanlis problem? It arises because traditionally English renders the Greek kappa as a "c" - hence Corinth, Constantine, etc, and the elder Caramanlis was usually written Constantine Caramanlis when he was in office. But his article here is called Constantine Karamanlis. This article is called Costas Caramanlis, but the text throughout calls him Kostas Karamanlis. We should consistently use either a "c" or a "k". Should we: Adam 03:08, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Change Kostas and Karamanlis to Costas and Caramanlis throughout both articles? or
 * Give up on the traditional spelling and call both articles Konstantinos Karamanlis and disambiguate them, with redirects from Costas Caramanlis, Constantine Caramanlis and Constantine Karamanlis?

 * The tendency to render Greek "K" with "C" in English is actually valid for Ancient Greek, and I would argue that in this case it is not a direct rendering of the Greek names but of the latinized versions of these names e.g. Corinthus, Themistocles, Cleobulus, Cyprus, etc which contain C in place of K anyway. It is more appropriate to render all |K| sounds in modern Greek with "K" in English or indeed any language utilizing the Latin alphabet; this is what I have consistently done with my name at least throughout the years and all my compatriots do the same when they need to fill in their name in some application form in Latin alphabet. Lucius Domitius 14:08, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

 * The 'k' is pretty standard for modern Greek, yes. In a few traditional place names like Corinth the old rendering is retained simply because it's so common, but in most others the 'k' is now used: for example Kavala, Kefalonia, Thessaloniki, etc. --Delirium 14:17, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Re SWISS SOLUTION. In Switzerland such problems are solved in line with the NOB principle. When Mr Konstantinos K. comes to live with us we ask him how he wants us to write his name. The choice is up to him. He can pick Constantin, Constantine, Konstantin, Konstantinos, whatever. And his family name we will write with a C or with a K, whatever he likes better.

As you can easily see for yourself in any Swiss Telephone Directory, this creates a certain amount of confusion. Nevertheless, in Switzerland we feel that it is Not Our Business to tell other people how to write their names. --BZ(Bruno Zollinger) 11:37, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree it's not our business to tell other people how to write their names, but in this case can we ask Karamanlis how he wants his name to be written?! As far as I am concerned, I cannot understand why we should switch "K" to "C" since the spelling does not change. I believe that most of my compatriots whose names start with the greek "K" would prefer their name to be written in the same way in english as well, namely with the latin "K". I think that this solution is simple and rational and I do not understand all this fuss about C or K etc. --Yannismarou 21:50, the 10th of March 2006 (UTC)

Re NOB. Yes, Yannismarou. Yes, we can ask Karamanlis how he wants his name to be written. All that Gene Nygaard would have to do is write Mr Karamanlis a letter telling him how much he admires him, and in two days he would get a letter in return that would leave no doubt as to how Mr Karamanlis wants his name to be written.

The problem is, Gene Nygaard does not want to know. He doesn't give a hoot about Mr Karamanlis and the wishes of Mr Karamanlis. And neither do you, Yannismarou. What the two of you want is a "simple and rational" solution for ALL Greek names. Well, Gene Nygaard gave you one. What are you complaining about, Yannismarou? --BZ(Bruno Zollinger) 15:00, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I read an article about a prime minister, whose the title is "Costas Caramanlis", but its content speaks about a "Kostas Karamanlis"! Does this seem normal to you? Why am I complaining? I'm not complaining (at least, if I know well the meaning of the verb "complain"!). As far as I am concerned, I know how to write his name. But don't you think that this contradiction between the title and the content is problematic? And which is this "simple and rational" solution? Write the greek names with "K" in the title and then with "C"? Oh, yea! That's too "simple and rational"! And do you know what's more exciting with these "simple and rational" solutions? His uncle is not a "Caramanlis" but he is a "Consantine Karamanlis"! This solutions are not just "simple and rational", they are ideal, they reach perfection. I read this article and I see at least two different ways to write the name of the same person and I find no persistence in the use of a concrete orthography. Well, if I don't get a convincing answer about this lack of persistence I'll keep "complaining", dear Bruno Zollinger. --Yannismarou 23:30, the 18th of March 2006 (UTC)

Re COMPLAINING. But Yannismarou, I don't mind you complaining (or whatever you want to call it). I was just wondering WHY you were doing it. I would solve the problem the Swiss way. But you and everybody else here wanted a simple and rational solution (your words, not mine). Well, you got one. Prime minister Karamanlis is now Caramanlis. Against all logic. And according to your own simple and rational solution outlined in your first post, every Mr Caramanlis would have to be spelled Karamanlis, whether he liked it or not. What's the difference, Yannismarou?--BZ(Bruno Zollinger) 09:38, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

The thing is that there is NO modern Greek who prefers to write his/her name latinized with a "c" instead of a "k". In fact NO modern Greek uses this letter when conveying Greek speech into Latin alphabet. When on the web and in IM Greeks tend to use Latin alphabet instead of Greek to avoid the fuss of alt+shifting all the time, and there is NO modern Greek, I repeat, NO modern Greek who ever uses "c" instead of "k". Also in rendering street names into Latin alphabet in order to facilitate foreigners we use the same rule. That's pretty much it really, writing "Caramanlis" instead of "Karamanlis" is just plain odd, not to mention that speakers of certain languages could mistake the name for being pronounced as "charamanlis" or something. Lucius Domitius 11:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Re MODERN. You're absolutely right, Lucius Domitius, NO modern Greek who ever uses "c" instead of "k". NOT ONE. But what do you want to do about the millions of OLDFASHIONED Greeks? Force them to change their ways? And what am I to tell Miss Constantocopoulos next time I see her? That Lucius Domitius of Wikipedia thinks that she is not modern enough?--BZ(Bruno Zollinger) 08:54, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you wouldn't mind...Lucius Domitius 02:14, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Re HER ANSWER. She wants to know why you don't write your name as LOUKIOS. A good point, if I may say so. It would come much closer to how it was pronounced in Rome at the time--BZ(Bruno Zollinger) 10:38, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

It is very funny the same topic comes back from time to time ... I still have the same question: Why is there no consistency between the article's title and the context? Oeo? Why? Oeo? I have not seen that in any other article and it still catches my attention. I think this is what we must first decide on. Which is the article's title we want? Would we like to call the article "Costas Caramanlis", then he must be written this away in all the paragraphs of the article (except for the first paragraph, where all possible writings should be metionned). Respectively, would we call the article "Kostas Karamanlis" (as I think we should!), then we must call him this way everywhere within the article. The present situation, an officially (by Wikipedia) called "Costas Caramanlis" to be everywhere referred as "Kostas Karamanlis"("Karamanlis - a nephew...Karamanlis was a member....Karamanlis was elected ...", but "Despite these scandals and setbacks, Caramanlis is still....") is schizophrenic. And what about the inconsistency between the article of Costas Caramanlis and Constantine Karamanlis? Why is the first called "Caramanlis" and the other "Karamanlis"? I am repeating the same questions, but I think I do not get thorough answers. Are these things so irrational?--Yannismarou 15:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Tell her "Lucius" is not a Greek name; I write it properly that way. The same reason I write "Jacques" and not "Zak". I am out of here this is getting too hilarious for a wikipedia talk page :S Lucius Domitius 18:35, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Re OUT OF HERE. I am sad to see you go, Lucius, but it will always be a source of comfort to me that you have come to realize that it is your own business how you write your name.--BZ(Bruno Zollinger) 08:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I am rousing an old discussion here, but according to the official website of the greek prime minister it is "Kostas Karamanlis". Case closed, court dismissed. :-) --Michalis Famelis (talk)  15:02, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Karamanid
His surname sounds Turkish. Is his family from Karamanids? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.140.214.67 (talk • contribs)

 * Sorry to move your comment around, but it is customary to add new stuff in talk pages at the end. Now, I don't think there is any connection between the Karamanlis family and southern Anatolia. They originate from Serres. Apart from that, I think that their name does have a turkish language root. However that is not uncommon, many greek surnames have roots in other languages as many originated from nicknames. My own as you can see can trace its ancestry in the latin-derived word "family" :-) --Michalis Famelis (talk)  15:35, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I can have a look in his archives, where I think there is something about his name.--Yannismarou 16:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Kara is Turkish for "black," and is a fairly common Greek name element. There is a Karageorgis Cruises shipping company - "Black George". Maybe one of his ancestors was of dark complexion. Adam 12:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes it is a Turkish surname, properly written Karamanlı (roughly =of Karaman) and pronounced Ka'ramanleh in Turkish. Many Greeks falsely believe that it comes from "Karaman Ali" but this is not the case. The meaning of the Turkish suffix -lı (notice it is the dotless ı) is actually understood by Greeks since it has passed in Greek loan words from Turkish, like μερακλής (meraklı) or μπελαλής (belalı). So perhaps he has some roots in Karaman, perhaps not, many Greeks were obliged to adopt Turkish surnames at the times, don't forget Greece was under Ottoman rule. --   Avg     00:26, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Not exactly applicable for the particular case, but let us not forget that "Kara" in Greek means head, leader, capital, crown etc. NikoSilver 18:45, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

 * As in Karavangelis?  Balkan Fever  01:32, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

 * That's probably from Turkish "kara" which means black. Kara (Κάρα) meaning head is an Ancient Greek word. It is used rarely in Modern Greek, especially in an ecclesiastical setting (kara is the head of a dead Saint).--   Avg     03:07, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

 * It's also found in Serbian Karađorđević and Romanian Caramitru, so I think when used in a surname it comes from the Turkish.  Balkan Fever  03:29, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

He is Turkish of course, he cannot be a Macedonian even though he claims he is, his family comes from greek/turkish refugees from the karaman region in turkey, which settled in Macedonia. You say, many greeks were obliged to adopt turkish surnames at the times. That sounds very familiar to what the greeks had done with Macedonians? isnt it avg? :) :)Makedonia (talk) 13:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Of course, whatever you say. Dreams are free. Oh and funny that only Macedonia comes with a capital in your text. Also you might be interested to some links that I have where Greeks in FYROM talk about how they were forced to change their surname? --   Avg     17:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Aahhh i've seen them. those 400 greeks in Macedonia? They cannot really be seen as a minority, they are probably just bussinesmen working there. But of course you greeks try to claim the Vlach community as greek now and you have found some poor man who is willing to say everything on tv. Who know what the greeks have paid them for those statements. Anyway, even if there is a greek minority in Macedonia, we don't care, let there be a greek minority, we are full of minorities, we don't have any problems with them nor are we afraid to recognize their existence. In greece however, minorities are not recognized, they are being forced to act greek and the greeks are afraid of minorities. That's the difference my friend. greeks are xenophobic Makedonia (talk) 22:26, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Still don't see the capital G...? I guess you really can't expect an answer from a lower form of life?--   Avg     22:40, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Maybe you should answer the question. Oh wait, that's deliberate.  Balkan Fever  11:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

 * That seems to be used quite systematically (generally, by ethnic Macedonians), funnily enough. Not trying to ascribe certain motives or anything, of course. ;) 3rdAlcove (talk) 17:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Wow, you got me BF, yeah his arguments were compelling and I try to avoid the discussion. --   Avg     16:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Haha unbelievable my New(pseudo?) Hellenic friend. Your warning is just as ridiculous as every other greek actions on my country, Macedonia. Forcing Macedonians to use capital G's now too? lol :P Maybe France will help you with this too, while the rest of the world laughs. Isn't it a personal attack that you don't recognize our language? Our history? Our nation? Our flag? Or am i confused here? Isn't it a personal attack that you call us FYROM and Skopians?? Or am i being wrong now?? Those attacks cannot even be compared to me not using capital G's :) I don't recognize greeks nor greece, just as you and your country do not recognize Macedonia nor Macedonians, which was again confirmed this week by your Minister Dora Bakoyannis. I'd rather call you New Hellenes.Makedonia (talk) 13:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

 * New Hellenes? Lol... That's how WE call ourselves :-) --   Avg     16:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Greeks generally do recognise Macedonia, both the province and the wider region. They (well, not all, let's not generalise thaaat much) just find the use of the name for the specific country problematic. The fact that you insist that it's "your flag" and "your history" doesn't help much in establishing any sort of cordiality. AVG is right btw, we do call ourselves Νεοέλληνες very frequently, a name that carries certain negative connotations, sometimes. 3rdAlcove (talk) 17:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

The etymology of Karamanlis is from Karamania, that part of south Asia Minor, near Cappadocia, the birth place of many Greeks. The "Karamanlides" were a cultural minority that was speaking turkish and were Christian Orthodox using Greek alphabet. Obviously a local population who were not totally turkified like the rest of the population of Anatolia. The family of K.Karamanlis may not necessarily come from this minority, since it is customary in Greece to adopt peculiar nick-names that later become surnames. e.g. there are people called "German", "Kazak", "Abyssenian", "Venetian", "American" etc.

Avramopoulos
Why does Mr Avramopoulos spell his given name two different ways in his two portfolios? Adam 12:24, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Neutral Point of View
Under the 'Criticism' heading the article states that

''There have even been claims by the center-right government that the fires are the work of terrorists. No evidence to make these claims credible has been presented. Furthermore, having failed to deal successfully with almost all political, economical, educational and social issues that occured during his 3.5 year government, his popularity had a great decrease from the very high point it was when Mr. Karamanlis was elected in 2004.''

This is clearly biased, particularly the part about having "failed to deal with almost all political, economical issues etc." I have deleted the above portion of the article as it was not only biased but unsourced. Mr john luke 07:49, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

There have been 3 arrests for arson so these "claims" are indeed true —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.75.251.155 (talk) 12:57, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

hasn't he lost weight since that photo?
just saying:P--Leladax 03:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Cabinet
Magginas resigned recently; his post was taken up by Palli-Petralia.

Vandalism
2007 re-election

In the 2007 general election...

...'''He is a gay rights activist, and he is gay too. He likes balls and weiners'''

I'm gonna go ahead and remove this. Even if this isn't vandalism it doesn't belong to the 2007 re-election category. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.122.4 (talk) 21:07, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I have removed comments regarding "Siemens" and "souvlaki gyros" since are clearly part of vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.167.109.9 (talk) 16:20, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Criticism
I believe that the "Criticism" part of this page is too brief and pointless. The criticism of Karamanlis governments spans to many more issues, other than the forest fires, which to be honest I dont think are his responsibility. There are corruption, inequality, incopetence claims on many areas of Karamanlis (in)activity as a prime minister. Public outrage in Greece has become more than obvious during the last 4 years. I suggest this part of the article to be rewritten to include mentions to matters like:

- The 2 eevaluations of the economy for political reasons. - The pre-electional promise of Karamanlis to stop corruption, and the subsequent rise of corruption, especially related to government officials. - The Vodafone scandal. - The social/pension system reform. - The education reform. - The uncontrollable rise of goods prices. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.79.120 (talk) 00:40, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I only agree with The social/pension system reform. and The education reform critisisms - The Vodafone "scandal" is retarted thinking he was the actual victim, the evaluations of the economy where EU mandated and the uncontrollable rise of goods prices is mere speculation, according to the IMF his administration has the best inflation rates since they started counting in 1980. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.75.251.155 (talk) 13:03, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry but this is all POV."The evaluations for political reasons",etc. is pure POV. The point here is to find RS with NPOV.Otherwise you could just step in in the site of PASOK and use it as a source.--Michael X the White (talk) 10:50, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

 * The official PASOK site actually IS a reliable source. Saying that the major opposition party accuses Karamanlis of so and so is fine, as long it is stated that this is what PASOK believes and not proven in court or otherwise. Obviously the same applies to Papandreou and ND.--   Avg     11:15, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Avg. 23:07, 14 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Basiljabber (talk • contribs)

Sure, as long as it is stated that it is PASOK claims and not "more than obvious public outrage in Greece".--Michael X the White (talk) 12:30, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

In which section can we write that he is a useless, lazy, lying and powerless old-school politician? 192.35.17.15 (talk) 14:46, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Balancedness and Budget Falsfications
There is a long paragraph on the misreporting of the PASOK budget 2004 - but there is no information on the ND budget falsfications discovered in 2009. Moreover, the Word 'Goldman Sachs' appears multiple times in this article in other languages, but not once in English. I am not an expert in Greek politics, but I do not understand why a PASOK budget scandal must fit in this biographical article, while an ND one does not. Not only on this account the article seems fairly unbalanced to me. Aenus, 08:26, 02 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.29.224.208 (talk)

One sided take on Karamanlis administration
The articles seems to be focused around the negative aspects of Karamanlis administration. There's certainly a lot of content to be added here. See the Greek WP article about him: Κώστας Καραμανλής. 83.235.57.51 (talk) 09:04, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

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 * I was confused when you said about differential accents. What did you mean? learnportuguese 21:20, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

 * This was amazingly helpful. One other confusing concept for me about the Portuguese language is that some words can mean the same thing but have two spellings: for example, internacional/internacionais, atual/atuais, and a lot of other like these. They are patterns, but this concept still confuses me. Of course I'm still a beginner; I've got a long way to go before I consider myself intermediate, and an even longer way to go before I consider myself fluent. The one thing holding me back from progressing is my perfectionist attitude about my pronunciation. I figure since I want to be a radio journalist, I should speak as clearly as possible. I also want to be well understood by the native Portuguese speakers across the Portuguese-speaking world. learnportuguese 10:27, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Well then, if I get this write, obrigada para seu ajuda. :-) That's interesting that to say thank you in Portuguese, you are saying that you are obliged to that person. I think it's a really friendly way to say it. learnportuguese 10:10, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

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Olá. I was just dropping a message because I haven't see any posts from you on my talk page for awhile. Be assured that my talk page is a friendly and dynamic environment with discussion on many aspects of the beautiful and fascinating Portuguese language. Just scroll to any section or the end of anyone's comments and type away. :-) learnportuguese (talk) 21:19, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

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special Portuguese characters
Bom dia Cotoco. Como está? Well, your discussion of the special Portuguese characters (under the section in my talk page titled special characters in Portuguese) was very helpful. I know you're very good at English, mas se precisa ajuda estarei ao seu dispor. :-) learnportuguese (talk) 13:06, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Contrail formation
Heya. You made a comment in 2006 on the contrail discussion page asking about what conditions are required for contrail formation. I just now provided a link to a nasa site with a lot of great information on this. Since I'm not a regular wikipedia user/editor I thought I'd just drop you a line to let you know in case you might wish to integrate the information into the article itself. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.157.232 (talk) 07:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

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Albert Tocco

Albert "Caesar" Tocco (August 9, 1929 – September 21, 2005) was an American mobster and high-ranking member of the Chicago Outfit during the 1970s and 1980s. He was the mob boss of Chicago Heights, the south suburbs, and parts of Northern Indiana. His brother, Joseph "Papa Joe" Tocco, helmed the Chicago Outfit's activities in Phoenix, Arizona, from the 1960s through to the 1980s.

Tocco was described as second-in-command to Alfred Pilotto, leader of the Chicago Heights Street Crew. He allegedly played a part in the murder of William Dauber, and James "Jimmy The Bomber" Catuara. He would later run the street crew in his own right upon Pilotto's retirement. He, along with Albert "Nicky" Guzzino, Albert "Chicky" Roviaro and Dominick Palermo, is alleged to have botched the burial of Michael and Tony Spilotro. This resulted in him hiding abroad for a while before getting word that Joseph Ferriola forgave him. Tocco was captured in Greece after the FBI found him by orchestrating a visit for his eight-year-old son Michael to see his father and they followed him there.

On May 14, 1990, Tocco was sentenced to 200 years in prison for racketeering, conspiracy, extortion and tax fraud, after a trial in which his wife, Betty, testified against him. She testified that in 1986 she drove her husband from an Indiana cornfield where he told her he had just buried Anthony Spilotro. Betty is believed to be the first wife of an organized crime leader to testify against her husband, and she reportedly entered the federal witness protection program with their son Michael. (Source: book "No questions asked the secret life of women in the Mob" by Clare Longrigg) With Tocco in prison, Dominick Palermo briefly took over the Chicago Heights operations before his 1991 conviction for extorting protection money.Tocco died of a stroke at the age of 76, on September 21, 2005, in prison in Terre Haute, Indiana.

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Earl Slick

Earl Slick (born Frank Madeloni; October 1, 1952, in Brooklyn, New York) is an American guitarist best known for his collaborations with David Bowie, John Lennon, Yoko Ono and Robert Smith. He has also worked with other artists including John Waite, Tim Curry and David Coverdale, in addition to releasing several solo recordings, and two records with Phantom, Rocker & Slick, the band he formed with Slim Jim Phantom & Lee Rocker (both from Stray Cats).

Musical career
In the early 1970s, Earl Slick gained his reputation on the New York music scene as a guitarist while playing in a band called Mack Truck featuring singer-songwriter Jimmie Mack and his brother, drummer Jack Mack along with keyboard player and Grammy award winning mixer Jan Fairchild. His work with Scottish singer-songwriter Jim Diamond was as the duo Slick Diamond. They toured and gave performances for a short time in the late 1970s.

Slick was initially hired by David Bowie, on the recommendation of a friend, to replace Mick Ronson as lead guitarist for the Diamond Dogs tour in 1974 (the live album David Live was recorded during this tour). Slick also played lead guitar on Bowie's Young Americans and Station to Station albums, released in 1975 and 1976 respectively. After disagreements with Bowie's management, Slick was replaced as lead guitarist for the 1976 Station to Station tour by Stacey Heydon. Slick continued working in the studio with former Mott the Hoople frontman Ian Hunter, John Lennon, and Yoko Ono, but also formed his own solo band, releasing both Razor Sharp and Earl Slick Band in 1976. He provided guitar to Carmen Maki's 1979 album Night Stalker. In 1980, Slick formed Silver Condor with east coast singer/writer Joe Cerisano. Silver Condor's first album was released in 1981 on Columbia Records. During the recording Silver Condor's first he was invited to record on Lennon and Ono's Double Fantasy. During the sessions for Double Fantasy, the material for 1984's Milk and Honey was recorded as well. Slick also joined Ono in the studio for her solo album,  Season of Glass.

In 1983, Slick rejoined David Bowie's touring band for the Serious Moonlight Tour, which supported the Let's Dance album. Stevie Ray Vaughan had played guitar on the album but left the band right before the tour due to a dispute between his and Bowie's management. Slick was asked to step in as a last-minute replacement due to his prior working relationship with Bowie.

After the Serious Moonlight Tour, Slick played on the Box of Frogs' self-titled album and Game Theory's Distortion EP. At that time, Slick co-founded Phantom, Rocker & Slick with Slim Jim Phantom and Lee Rocker. The band released two records, Phantom, Rocker & Slick and Cover Girl. Rolling Stones' guitarist Keith Richards contributed to the single "My Mistake"—an experience Slick cited as one of the most memorable in his career. Between the two Phantom, Rocker & Slick albums, Slick appeared with Carl Perkins and a host of other musicians including Eric Clapton, George Harrison, Ringo Starr, and Rosanne Cash for 1985's Blue Suede Shoes: A Rockabilly Session.

In 1990, Slick collaborated with David Glen Eisley in the band Dirty White Boy, which released only one album, Bad Reputation (1990), and industry showcases in London and Los Angeles. He also played briefly in Little Caesar in 1991–1992. Working with mentor Michael Kamen, Slick contributed to several soundtracks in the 1990s, including Hudson Hawk and Nothing but Trouble. He released another solo record, In Your Face, in 1991.

In the early 1990s Slick worked for 4 years as a timeshare salesman.

In the early 2000s Slick returned to Bowie's roster, appearing on the studio albums Heathen (2002) and Reality (2003). Slick toured with Bowie in support of those albums as well, and performed on the Bowie DVD and double CD, A Reality Tour. Working with producer Mark Plati Slick released a solo album, Zig Zag, with guest performances by Bowie, Robert Smith, Joe Elliott, Royston Langdon and Martha Davis of The Motels. Slick then contributed guitar tracks to a Mark Plati remix of The Cure's A Forest, which appeared on Join the Dots: B-Sides and Rarities in 2004.

From 2006, he was a member of both The Eons with singer-songwriter Jeff Saphin and Slinky Vagabond. Slinky Vagabond were Glen Matlock, Clem Burke, and Keanan Duffty. Slinky Vagabond (the name comes from the lyrics to the David Bowie song "Young Americans") played their debut concert at the Joey Ramone Birthday Bash in May 2007.

In January 2013, he contributed guitar parts for Bowie on his penultimate album, The Next Day.

In May 2015, Slick joined the Yardbirds, replacing guitarist Top Topham. In August 2015 it was announced that Slick had left the band and was replaced by Johnny A.

In February 2016, he performed a tribute to Bowie at the Brit Awards with Bowie's Reality touring band and the New Zealand singer, Lorde.

Equipment
In 2010, Slick announced that he had begun marketing his own line of customized guitar straps, called Slick Straps, in an exclusive distribution deal with Guitar Fetish, an online guitar customizing shop. In addition to the Slick Straps line, Slick has been quoted as endorsing the GFS line of guitar effects pedals marketed by Guitar Fetish.

In 2011, Framus International announced the release of the Earl Slick Signature Model guitar.

In 2014, Slick announced the exclusive distribution deal with Guitar Fetish of his own brand of guitars, featuring his own custom-wound pickups, and aged hardware and finishes. Each is a "stripped-down" model, with only a single volume knob for simplicity. There are currently four models available: the SL-50 and SL-51 (Telecaster copies), the SL-54 (a one-pickup "strat"-style), the SL-57 (3 single-coil pickup Strat copy), the SL-59 (similar to a double-cutaway Les Paul Junior) and the SL-60 (double-cutaway with dual P90 pickups).

Solo

 * The Earl Slick Band (1976)
 * Razor Sharp (1976)
 * In Your Face (1991)
 * Lost and Found (2000)
 * Live '76 (2001)
 * Slick Trax (2002)
 * Zig Zag (2003)
 * Fist Full of Devils (2021)

with David Bowie

 * Diamond Dogs (1974) (Uncredited)
 * David Live (1974)
 * Young Americans (1975)
 * Station To Station (1976)
 * Heathen (2002)
 * Reality (2003)
 * A Reality Tour (2004)
 * The Next Day (2013)
 * Cracked Actor (Live Los Angeles '74) (RSD 2017 release, concert from 1974 tour) (2017)
 * Glastonbury 2000 (live, 3 LP/2 CD/1 DVD) (2018)
 * Serious Moonlight (live 1983) (Double live album from 1983 tour released on Loving the Alien Boxset and as a stand alone CD (only) set in 2019)
 * I'm Only Dancing (The Soul Tour 74) (2 LP / 2 CD) (RSD 2020 release, concert from 1974 tour)

with John Lennon & Yoko Ono

 * Double Fantasy (1980)
 * Milk and Honey (1984)

with Yoko Ono

 * Season of Glass (1981)

with Silver Condor

 * Silver Condor (1981)

with Phantom Rocker and Slick

 * Phantom Rocker and Slick (1986)
 * Cover Girl (1986)

with Jacques Dutronc

 * C.Q.F.D...utronc (1987)

with Dirty White Boy

 * Bad Reputation (1990)

with Little Caesar

 * Influence (1992)

with David Coverdale

 * Into the Light (2000)

with Chris Catena

 * ''Discovery (Guest artist)(2009)

Personal life
Slick was married to Fanny bassist/singer Jean Millington. He has a daughter, Marita Madeloni, and a son, Lee John Madeloni.

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Lower Suwannee National Wildlife Refuge
I submitted an article on Lower Suwannee National Wildlife Refuge that is indicating possible copyright problems. As the manager of this Refuge, I wrote all of the text that is on www.fws.gov/lowersuwannee site and it was put on the web as public domain for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. The main goal of listing this information on Wikipedia is to facilitate spreading word about the Refuge.

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Alberto Fuguet

Alberto Felipe Fuguet de Goyeneche (born 7 March 1963) is a Chilean author, journalist, film critic and film director who rose to critical prominence in the 1990s as part of the movement known as the New Chilean Narrative. Although he was born in Santiago, he spent his first 13 years of life in Encino, California. He was among the fifty Latin American leaders selected by Time magazine and CNN in 1999, and he appeared on the front page of Newsweek magazine in 2002.

Biography
Fuguet was born in Santiago, Chile, but his family moved to Encino, California, where he lived until age 13. He is a graduate of the University of Chile's School of Journalism.

In 1999 Time called Fuguet one of the 50 most important Latin Americans for the next millennium. In 2003, he was featured on the cover of the international edition of Newsweek magazine to represent a new generation of writers.

Fuguet currently heads the program in contemporary audiovisual culture at the Universidad Alberto Hurtado's School of Journalism in Santiago. He also writes for the newspaper El Mercurio and is at work on two new projects: the film Perdidos and the book Missing.

Writing
Fuguet's work is characterized by a United States/Chilean hybridity, with constant cross-references to the popular cultures of the two nations. In 1996 he co-edited (with Sergio Gómez) the anthology McOndo, whose title combined McDonald's with Macondo, the fictional town created by Gabriel García Márquez. McOndo represented popular culture while largely rejecting the use of magical realism in contemporary Latin American fiction.

Fuguet's other books are the short story collections Sobredosis and Cortos; the novels Mala onda, Por favor, rebobinar, Tinta roja and Las películas de mi vida; and the non-fiction collection Primera parte. Mala onda, which narrates a week in the life of a Santiago teenager in 1980, has received wide acclaim. Tinta roja has been made into a film. Las películas de mi vida is a semi-autobiographical novel about a Chilean seismologist who grew up in California and later returned to Chile. Its protagonist recounts his life with references to movies he has watched. Some of Fuguet's work, including Mala onda and Las películas de mi vida, has been translated into English and published in the United States.

2007 saw the release of Road Story, a graphic novel illustrated by Gonzalo Martínez based on one of the stories in Cortos. Under the Alfaguara imprint, the book is claimed by Fuguet and by his sometime-collaborator Francisco Ortega to be the first Chilean graphic novel issued by a major publisher.

Novels

 * Mala onda
 * Tinta roja
 * Por favor rebobinar
 * Las películas de mi vida (2003) translated in the United States as The Movies of My Life by Harpercollins, 2003
 * Missing (2010)
 * No Ficción (2015)
 * Sudor (2016)
 * Ciertos chicos (2024)

Short stories

 * "Sobredosis"
 * "Cortos" – translated in the US as "Shorts", HarperCollins in 2005

Graphic novel

 * Road Story

Filmography

 * Siempre sí (2019)
 * Cola de mono (2018)
 * Invierno (2015)
 * Locaciones: buscando a Rusty James (2013)
 * Música Campesina (2011)
 * Velódromo (2010)
 * 2 horas (2009)
 * Se arrienda (2005) (co-written with Francisco Ortega)
 * Las hormigas asesinas (2005)
 * En un lugar de la noche (aka Dos hermanos) (writer) (directed by Martín Rodríguez, 2000).

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The September Sessions

The September Sessions: The Tomorrowland Story Brought To Life In Brilliant 16mm Film is a 2002 documentary surf film directed by singer/songwriter Jack Johnson. Often called September Sessions, it is the second of The Moonshine Conspiracy film series. It was filmed in 16 mm.

Following the release of the 2000 film Thicker Than Water, Kelly Slater asked Jack Johnson to accompany Kelly for a trip to Indonesia. With the cast living on a retired Japanese coastguard cutter, Neptune 1, Jack films Kelly and several other surfers including Rob Machado and Shane Dorian as they surfed flawless waves off the coast of Sumatra in the Mentawais of Indonesia. The film captures Kelly Slater during a major change of his life following his first retirement from the ASP circuit. Kelly had fallen into the trap of endless trade shows, store openings, and poster signings that became his life during his first retirement. By escaping both the trade shows and his former life of ASP competitions, Kelly sought to gain new levels in his spirit as he and his friends pulled into the keyhole at Hollow Trees in September, 1999. On the first morning, they awoke and stared at perfectly flawless waves. During the next several days, when Jack wasn't surfing, Jack captured on film the rebirth of Kelly. Jack wrote several songs along the way including "F-Stop Blues". However, unbeknownst to Jack, this film captures Johnson before his own rise to international stardom both as a filmmaker and as a musician.

The September Sessions was the result of this historically important piece of surfing, filmmaking, and music.

Synopsis
Kelly Slater, Shane Dorian, Rob Machado, and others take a freesurf trip to the coast of Sumatra, where they find themselves surfing beautiful waves, and lose the urgency they have come to live with being professionals.

The film also includes commentary by the surfers, and some fun antics including nosewalks, bodysurfing, river surfing and music.

Cast
In alphabetical order:
 * Shane Dorian
 * Luke Egan
 * Brad Gerlach
 * Rob Machado
 * Kelly Slater
 * Ross Williams

Soundtrack
Released on December 17, 2002, The September Sessions soundtrack, which is scored by Johnson, are 10 tracks by various performers including G. Love & Special Sauce, Ozomatli, Beat Down Sound, Princes of Babylon, Bombay the Hard Way, and Johnson himself. Jack performs his own version of Jimmy Buffett's classic A Pirate Looks at Forty. Recorded before Johnson's first album Brushfire Fairytales, these tracks predate Johnson's rise to worldwide stardom.

Track listing

 * 1) "Pirate Looks at 40" – 2:24 (Jack Johnson)
 * 2) "What Would You Rather Do" – 2:44 (The September Sessions Band)
 * 3) "Grey's Groove" – 5:19 (DJ Greyboy)
 * 4) "Willow Tree" – 3:27 (G. Love & Special Sauce)
 * 5) "Super Bowl Sundae" – 4:40 (Ozomatli)
 * 6) "Ganges A Go-Go" – 1:58 (Bombay the Hard Way)
 * 7) "Thug Style" – 2:27 (The September Sessions Band)
 * 8) "Meaningless Conversation" – 4:42 (Princes of Babylon)
 * 9) "Piglet's Lament" – 5:06 (Beat Down Sound)
 * 10) "F-Stop Blues" – 3:27 (Jack Johnson)

Special Edition
Released in 2004, The September Sessions Special Edition Set included the soundtrack CD and a bonus DVD. The bonus DVD includes extra lefts, extra rights, The Making of September Sessions, and audio tracks with commentary by Kelly and Jack plus Brad and Rob.

Awards and honors
Jack Johnson received the Adobe Highlight Award for September Sessions [1999] at the 2000 ESPN Film Festival.

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Summary of Ramayan Serial

Rasa-Lila

Balakanda

Compiled Summaries of Ramayana Versions

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Good Catullus link

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College application

College application is the process by which individuals apply to gain entry into a college or university. Although specific details vary by country and institution, applications generally require basic background information of the applicant, such as family background, and academic or qualifying exam details such as grade point average in secondary school and standardized testing scores.

United Kingdom
Almost all British universities are members of UCAS, a clearing house for undergraduate admissions. Applicants submit a single application for up to 5 courses at different universities. There is a maximum limit of 4 choices for medicine, dentistry and veterinary science courses.

The application also includes current and expected qualifications, employment, criminal history, a personal statement, and a reference (which generally includes predicted grades if the applicant is still in education).

Additional forms are required for application to Oxbridge. One can only apply to a particular college at Oxford or Cambridge in a single year. Many Oxbridge applicants are assessed through academic interviews and sometimes further testing.

Undergraduate programs

Most colleges and universities in the U.S. have their own set of requirements for the information that is necessary for a college application. A common requirement on a college application is the applicant's standardized test scores, most commonly the ACT or SAT, and a high school transcript. Some colleges also require applications to include a Letter of Recommendation and a personal essay. A commonly accepted application used by many universities is the "Common Application" which is an online application that is used by over 500 undergraduate colleges and universities. (See more about "graduate" degree programs below.) Deadlines for admission applications are established and published by each college or university. Many college-bound students receive application assistance and advice from their high school guidance counselors. Students who are transferring from a community college to a four-year college can obtain guidance from their college counselors.

Aided by marketing firms, some colleges send out "fast-track" applications. These applications typically waive the application fee, do not require essays, and assure an admittance decision within a shortened amount of time. Critics warn that these types of applications are misleading, because they give the impression that the student is pre-approved to be admitted and may not explore other colleges because this easy option is provided to them.

Graduate programs
A substantial number of graduate programs in the United States (5,500+) have centralized their applications for admission to masters and doctoral programs by program discipline. These are commonly referred to as Centralized Application Service(s) or CASs and function somewhat similar to the Common Application for undergraduate programs. Graduate school applicants are able to submit their credentials for consideration to several colleges, universities, schools and programs from a single application.

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Talk:The Crisis

Yvonna456 (talk) 02:24, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

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Who was Ra-Maat-Neb? I assume this name is a version Nebmaatre or Nubmaatre, which would make him either Amenhotep III or Ramses VI (see Conventional Egyptian chronology). Bastie 03:18, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I uploaded the image, but I don't know who "Ra-Maat-Neb" is supposed to be. His hieroglyph is included in the image, which is labelled as having been copied from Lepsius, but more than that I don't know. He is labelled as "builder of pyramid 17", so is unlikely to be either of your suggestions. Paul B 10:11, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Well it's a mere five years later, but now I have the answer. It's Nebmaatre I on Meroe pyramid 17. Paul B (talk) 11:23, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Recommend deletion of unsourced statement of opinion
Following the departure of Fauset and Du Bois, the influence of The Crisis declined. The magazine was unable to sustain the high literary standards it had achieved under Fauset, but it continued to have a powerful political voice.

These sentences require a source or should be deleted. Thank you. Maryishimotomorris (talk) 20:09, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Good catch; you're right that that's almost certainly wrong. They're trying to talk about the change in focus to concentrate more exclusively on politics, but it's expressed so as to be false.  Anyway, I put a book in the further reading section that will be useful to fill out the history from between when Du Bois left and now.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 20:58, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

quality assessment
changing to C class per revscore. Galtzerdiak (talk) 21:10, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Sullivan's Island, South Carolina

Slavery?
Was Sullivan's Island not the location of a major dock and holding pen for importing African slaves during the time of slaves in America? I believe there is a large plaque on the coast mentioning this. I heard someone claim that "half the slaves imported into America" landed there. Surely such a significant place in American history deservers some mention. -- Corvus 03:18, 9 October

 * This is true. I live on SI, I will go transcribe and post the text from the plaque, which at least acknowledges this aspect of history. There has been surprisingly little written about this aspect of the Island, perhaps because any possible archaelogical sites are now covered by million dollar houses, so I'm not exactly sure if I could find reliable sources to cite the location and chronology of the so-called "pest house". Cheers--Balloutofcontrol 09:13, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I found a link that has some info regarding slavery and South Carolina, but it only briefly mentions Sullivan's Island. The text is as follows:
 * After their horrific "Middle Passage," over 40% of the African slaves reaching the British colonies before the American Revolution passed through South Carolina. Almost all of these slaves entered the Charleston port, being briefly quarantined on Sullivan's Island, before being sold in Charleston's slave markets.
 * Here is the link as well: http://www.sciway.net/hist/chicora/slavery18-2.html. If I find more, I'll post it here.72.78.172.138 (talk) 05:17, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

 * The article currently states "nearly half of all African Americans had ancestors that passed through Sullivan's Island". If the estimate that 40% of enslaved Africans came through S.I. is accurate, then it is almost certainly true that all African Americans currently living have ancestors who passed through S.I., given the number of generations that have passed since the height of the African Holocaust.   One of the statements in the article is probably inaccurate. Ggpauly (talk) 23:14, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, the figures you mention are sourced in the article. And you omitted a critical word in your quotation above (which I have placed in bold): "estimated that nearly half of all African Americans had ancestors that passed through Sullivan's Island". If you can find a reliable source the disputes that estimate, we may have something to discuss here. Cresix (talk) 23:51, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

 * My criticism is based on mathematics. I am not an informed person in the subject of the article, and will not correct it myself.  It is mathematically impossible that both statements in question are correct.  Even including the "estimated" modifier; clearly both figures are estimated.  Both cannot be estimated correctly, however.  Here is the reasoning:  If 40% of African Americans were descended from those who passed through S.I. or had themselves passed through S.I. in 1850, then the next generation would (with perfect mixing) have 40% + (40% of 60%) = 64% descended from S.I. ancestors.  The succeeding generation would have 64% + (64% of 36%)  =  87%,  etc.  Here is a table:

 * gen % S.I. descent
 * 0    40
 * 1    64
 * 2    87
 * 3    98
 * 4    99.96
 * 5    99.999984
 * 6    100 (to the precision of my calculator)

 * Except for perfect mixing, all assumptions are historically conservative. You're welcome to try to come up with a counter-example using plausible mixing, however I assure you no reasonable model will generate significantly less than nearly 100% descent after 6 generations.  In fact, it's overwhelmingly likely that well over 50% of African Americans alive in 1850 were descended from S.I. ancestors, given that several generations of intermarriage had already occurred between early S.I. ancestors and non-S.I. ancestors by that time.

 * The Atlantic slave trade was abolished by US law in 1808, and was blockaded by the British Navy beginning about the same time. (See Blockade of Africa) Although pirates evaded the blockade, from 1808 or 1809 until the War of 1812 Charleston was used as home port for US Navy ships patrolling the area (again see Blockade of Africa), and it's plausible that slave importation from Africa directly to Charleston through S.I. largely ceased around 1809.  In this case 1 or 2 additional generations of S.I.-ancestral intermixing have passed, with a correspondingly earlier date of 100% African American descendancy from S.I. ancestors. Ggpauly (talk) 03:27, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Gobbledegook
The sentence, "The racial makeup of the town was 98.74% White, 0.63% African American, 0.05% Native American, 0.16% Asian, and 0.42% from race were 0.84% of the population. .", makes perfect sense until you reach 'Asian', it then degenerates into random words and numbers that do not parse in any language I know. 93.155.220.168 (talk) 01:48, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

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Tokutaro Takayama

Tokutaro Takayama (高山 登久太郎) was a yakuza, the president of the Fourth Aizukotetsu-kai. An ethnic Korean, he rose to power as the head of the Kyoto-based gang until his retirement in the 1990s.

When he was a young man, his parents returned to Korea, leaving him to earn a living alone in Japan: "At that time," Takayama said in 1998, "I had no choice but to join the Japanese gangster world. This is because segregated people at that time had no way to survive in Japan."

For a yakuza boss, he was a remarkably public figure, often granting interviews to Japanese and foreign reporters for articles in which he always came off as a gentleman. He even filed a lawsuit against the Shiga Prefectural Police for infringing on his rights to free expression. (See court testimony). He viewed himself as an honorable outlaw, championing the weak and upholding the yakuza code of ninkyo (chivalry): "We did not regard ninkyo as a bad thing," he said. "Thus, we never killed anyone without reason. I strongly believed ninkyo must help the people. It was my job."

In 1992 the Aizukotetsu-kai became one of the first yakuza syndicates named under Japan's new anti-violence group legislation, which gave police expanded powers to crack down on yakuza. Takayama campaigned publicly against the new laws, even writing a book on the subject, and the group launched a lawsuit challenging their constitutionality. Takayama eventually faced pressure from outside and from within his group to drop the suit, but he refused to compromise. According to Manabu Miyazaki, Takayama said at the time: "I can't accept what the government is doing. If I pull out now, I won't be able to die in peace.  I'm not prepared to make any compromises, and I certainly don't intend to quit." But in September 1995 the Kyoto District Court threw out the lawsuit.

Takayama retired as kaicho (Godfather) in 1997. He died in June 2003.

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Prince George High School

Prince George High School is the only public high school in Prince George County, Virginia. The school has 1354 students. Prince George High School offers grades 10-12 rather than the traditional 9-12 high school. Construction on the current facility began in 1976 and it opened for the 1977–78 school year. It replaced an earlier facility across the road from it built in the 1950s, that it shares athletic facilities with. The old high school became Prince George Junior High School when the new high school opened in 1977, and has since been renamed N.B. Clements Junior High School. Prince George High School was the first fully air-conditioned school in Prince George County. The building was expanded to add additional classrooms in the mid 1990s.

Fall sports
Prince George High School offers cheerleading, cross country, field hockey, football, golf, boys volleyball, and girls volleyball in the fall.

Activities and clubs

 * 4-H club
 * Art club
 * Beta club
 * COSM
 * Cultural awareness club
 * DECA
 * Key club
 * Model UN club
 * Royal GSA
 * Sign language
 * Chess club
 * Ecology club
 * Interact club
 * NHS
 * Royals media
 * Skills USA
 * Student – to – student
 * FBLA
 * Junior civitan
 * Mu Alpha Theta
 * NAHS
 * Ruri-teens
 * SADD
 * Spanish club
 * Tri-m
 * BuildOn
 * Chemistry club
 * FCA
 * PAAS
 * Red cross
 * Stream team
 * TSA
 * Young authors young educators

Administrators

 * Mr. Matthew McAllister: Principal
 * Mrs. Donna Branch-Harris: Assistant Principal
 * Mr. Robert Bowman: Assistant Principal
 * Dr. Wendy Wyatt: Assistant Principal

Notable alumni

 * Johnny Oates, MLB player and manager
 * Larry Brooks, NFL Player
 * John M. McBroom, Major General, US Air Force, deceased
 * Reggie Williams, NBA player
 * Jackie Bradley Jr., MLB Player
 * Rick Gates, political consultant
 * Ashton Bell, Most involved student

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User:Professor Orange

Professor Orange
Professor Orange is not a fucking chemist.

Professor Orange is from Chicago, Illinois.

Professor Orange is interested in music, his favorite genre being punk rock. His favorite bands are Bad Religion and System of a Down.

Professor Orange also enjoys reading. He ranks Chuck Palahniuk among his favorite authors.

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Beneath the Planet of the Apes

Fair use in Beneath the Planet of the Apes
Though this image is subject to copyright, its use is covered by the U.S. fair use laws because:
 * 1) It's a low resolution copy of a Film Poster / VHS or DVD Cover.
 * 2) It doesn't limit the copyright owner's rights to sell the film in any way, in fact, it may encourage sales.
 * 3) Because of the low resolution, copies could not be used to make illegal copies of the artwork/image.
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Talk:Ra (band)

Neutrality
The whole article reads like a copy and paste from the band's website. Amaron11 (talk) 15:07, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

 * I agree, but there is definitely a solid foundation of information which, with a little T.L.C., could lead to a fairly good article. I am fairly sure there can be no question of notability -- half of the garbage acts on Wikipedia couldn't hope to become as notable as Ra has been for most of the decade -- and given the number of records the band sold with From One and Duality I think we can probably get a decent number of editors to fix this bad boy up. -- The Dark Ride (talk) 16:10, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

This is without a doubt the worst wikipedia article I've ever read. Wikipedia is not a fansite. It is not a myspace. The whole thing needs to be completely redone so that it follows wikipedias neutrality rules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.232.45.66 (talk) 06:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

The article basically needs a ton of polishing because it definitely has enough info. The albums especially need to be worked on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deadlyfries (talk • contribs) 03:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Metal
It would be a shame to call this band 'alternative rock', it's way too bad. LinnetKU (talk) 12:06, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

um.... no... It's rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.22.205.131 (talk) 02:07, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I am a first time editor, acting on behalf of Sahaj from Ra and I'm here to be schooled on the ways of the Wiki. Any and all help is greatly appreciated. We were thrilled to see that so much work had been done on the page and also very happy to see that it was largely accurate. Thank you to all of the editors who have worked on developing this page :)! Sahaj did find a few things in need of change. He asked that I correct a few errors, delete a misquote and a shorten a quote. He also wanted new information added regarding the new album and to add the link to their official Facebook page. All of my edits were reverted back to their original state so I'm hoping that in posting here it will help solidify the edits. Sahaj said he can state the facts on www.facebook.com/OfficialRa if the consensus is that it's needed. Here are the edits that he would like. In the first line replace Los Angeles, California with New York, New York, replace the 1990's with 1998. In the box on the right, replace Los Angeles, California with New York, New York. Also in the box on the right change years active from 1996-present to 1998 to present. In the first paragraph, delete "Their music...cathartic." It's a misquote. Ben Carroll said specifically, each time "not" is used it should say "yet". They would like to just have it removed. Ben also noted in the box on the right, Brix Milner was not a band member so his name needs removed. Under Origin of Band Name delete -- melodramatic, and "sort of an odd thing and really unique." there is a problem with the references. Under Discography, Ben said that "One" came out in 2002, not 2000. The Tour Video Link is broken and needs removed. They would like to add www.facebook.com/OfficialRa as their Official Facebook Page. Here's what I wrote up to put after "As of September 17th, 2012, Sahaj Ticotin announced that original drummer Skoota Warner would be tracking drums for the new album. [6]" regarding the new album. "In September 2012, Sajah Ticotin, PJ Farley, and Ben Carroll met up in Los Angeles to start laying down the songs for their new album. The band also reunited with their original drummer, Skoota Warner, while out in L.A. recording. Even though it had been four years since they'd all been assembled in one room together they settled in immediately and everything just flowed.100% fan-funded, this highly anticipated album is said to be their strongest to date and is due out the beginning of 2013." BandITBranding (talk) 20:34, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Cleanup Tag
I added a cleanup tag, primarily because of bad writing style. If I get a chance over the weekend I'll come back and make the changes myself, but it's more than I can do right now. Daedae (talk) 15:35, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I just did a pass through to make several changes and clean it up some. There are lots of unsourced statements, some of which I removed.  It could still use some work, maybe by somebody willing to hunt down more actual information, so I'm leaving the cleanup tag. Daedae (talk) 23:55, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

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Um...
Is this the same "Ra" behind songs like "Lightspark" and "March of the Lunar Priests"? I've been looking for quite a while and haven't found anything. No mentions here about anything of this either. -ThePokegeek5000 (talk) 04:55, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

 * Status-update: no it isn't, found it mentioned at https://www.suntriprecords.com/artist/name/RA/ and Dimension 5 (music group) -ThePokegeek5000 (talk) 05:00, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

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