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Talk:Lincoln Highway

Lincoln Highway as first transcontinental highway
It simply isn't correct to revert the text at the beginning of this article to say the Lincoln Highway was the very first transcontinental auto highway. In this case, NPR is not a reliable source on the issue because they are reporting on what they were told by Lincoln Highway representatives and not on factual evidence from historical records. I have discussed this issue in the talk page previously.

The Lincoln Highway was certainly not the first transcontinental highway association to form. Nor was it the first to be fully mapped. Carl Fisher's dinner party in Indianapolis did not occur until September 10, 1912. The Lincoln Highway Association was not incorporated until July 1, 1913 and the highway's dedication ceremony did not happen until October 31, 1913.

The National Old Trails Road was based on already existing roads and trails. The entire eastern section between Baltimore and St. Louis was part of the National Road that was built between 1811 and 1837. The road was surveyed all the way to St. Louis by 1920. Road surface construction was completed all the way to Vandalia, Illinois. From St. Louis to Franklin, Missouri, the road followed the Boone's Lick Road set out by Daniel Boone's sons in the early 19th century. The Daughters of the American Revolution marked this old route in 1909. From there the NOTR followed the Santa Fe Trail (1821) to Santa Fe, New Mexico. This was fully marked by the Daughters of the American Revolution in 1907. Between Santa Fe and Albuquerque the National Old Trails Road followed the path of Camino Real de Tierra Adentro (1598–1882), then followed wagon roads such as the Beale's Wagon Road into California. In California it followed part of the paths of the Old Spanish Trail and Brown's toll road into Los Angeles.

The National Old Trails Road had its start in 1910. The Daughters of the American Revolution in Missouri wanted to unite the trails mentioned above into a single transcontinental automobile road. A New Santa Fe Trail highway association had already formed in Hutchinson, Kansas in January 1910. On January 15, 1911, William Patterson Borland (U.S. Repr., Missouri) introduced the Daughters of the American Revolution Old Trails Road Act (H. R. 2864) to the US Congress. The first part of the National Old Trails Road was dedicated in Missouri on October 28, 1911 as the "Missouri Cross State Highway—Old Trails Road." In 1911 a road following closely to the original Santa Fe Trail was laid out and the Old Santa Fe Trail highway association formed in November 1911 in Herington, Kansas. This would become the path of the National Old Trails Road through Kansas.

On December 19, 1911 the very first state convention of the National Old Trails Road took place in Kansas City, Missouri where the Old Trails Road Association of Missouri formed. On December 20-21, 1911 delegates from California, Arizona, and New Mexico met in Phoenix for the Tri-State Road Convention to discuss the "Ocean to Ocean Highway" through their states. The route would become the proposed alignment of the National Old Trails Road.

On April 17-18, 1912, five months before Carl Fisher's dinner party, the first national convention of the National Old Trails Road took place in Kansas City. During this convention the western route of the road was chosen to follow the same route chosen by the Tri-State Road Convention.

On April 19, 1912, advocates for the building of the National Old Trails Road spoke before the Committee on Agriculture of the U.S. House of Representatives regarding the second National Old Trails Road Act (H.R. 17919) to be presented to Congress. William Patterson Borland (U.S. Repr., Missouri), Elizabeth Gentry of the D.A.R., and several others spoke there.

On April 29-30, 1913, three months before the Lincoln Highway Association was even incorporated, the National Old Trails Road Association held its second national convention at which the northern route through Flagstaff, Williams, and Needles was chosen. This road, from Santa Fe, New Mexico to Los Angeles would become the first alignment of US Route 66.

A third convention took place in Indianapolis on May 7-9, 1914. On August 20, 1914, the Automobile Club of Southern California began completely signing the route of the National Old Trails Road between Los Angeles and Kansas City. From that point east, the road was well marked all the way to New York City. The Club released a set of National Old Trails Road maps in 1914, and again in 1915... and well into the 1930s.

In 1926, Harry S. Truman became the second president of the National Old Trails Road Association, replacing Judge J. M. Lowe.

In addition to all this clear evidence of the primacy of the National Old Trails Road, I should note that other transcontinental trail associations formed before the Lincoln Highway Association. The Yellowstone Trail Association officially formed in October 1912, only a month after Carl Fisher's dinner party. In late 1912, discussions for building a southern transcontinental highway took place nationally. On January 20, 1913, over 100 delegates from Arizona and southern California formed the San Diego-Arizona auxiliary of the Southern National Highway Association with the main purpose of building a highway bridge over the Colorado River at Yuma for the highway. (This on the original, pre-1913, routing of the NOTR.) A few days later on February 5, 1913, the South Carolina House and Senate enacted a concurrent resolution proposing the building of the Southern National Highway. On February 12, 1913, five months before the incorporation of the Lincoln Highway Association, a national conference was held in Asheville, NC to chose the path of the Southern National Highway, the southern route from Washington, DC to southern California. Delegates were sent by the governors of 15 southern states. The meeting was organized by Colonel Dell M. Potter of Clifton, Arizona. On November 2, 1915 a documented motorcade took off from San Diego driving to Washington, DC along the Southern National Highway. The Midland Trail also predates the Lincoln Highway. Signage for it was first erected in 1913 and a map by Anton Westgard showing the basic route was published in the New York Times on May 4 1913.

Although not an association, I should also mention the great highway pathfinder Anton Westgard. He drove and mapped out several transcontinental routes and published the maps in newspapers. In 1910, he drove from Chicago to Los Angeles and mapped out a route he called "Trail to Sunset." This entire route was published as a set of detailed strip maps in 1911 by AAA.

In addition to these associations that predated that of the Lincoln Highway, several others formed at nearly the same time. The Pikes Peak Ocean to Ocean Highway Association formed in St. Joseph, Missouri on March 18, 1914. The Dixie Overland Highway Association, much of which would later become US Route 80, formed on July 17, 1914. The first conference of the Old Spanish Trail Association took place in Mobile, AL on December 11-12, 1915. Scores of other auto trails would soon follow.

Though not an east–west transcontinental route, I should also mention one of the first long distance auto trails associations, the Pacific Highway Association formed on September 18, 1910 to create a north-south highway from Mexico to Canada. Much of the road already existed. Much of the El Camino Real section of the Pacific Highway in California was even paved in Portland cement as early as 1909.

So, this is why I respectfully write the phrase "one of the earliest transcontinental highways" at the beginning of the Lincoln Highway article. I feel that unequivocally stating that the Lincoln Highway was the first transcontinental highway is not based on historical fact. I can provide verifiable and reliable evidence for everything I stated above. — — ★ Parsa ☞ talk 07:13, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * This is original research. Do you have a source which states your conclusion? 331dot (talk) 08:47, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I stated as much. Everything is verifiable. This is a talk post, not an article in itself. I would think the congressional record for two acts of Congress would be enough. But yes, there are dozens of secondary sources, including this two part article by the same Richard Weingroff cited in the Lincoln Highway article. Part 1, Part 2.
 * There are also all the early NOTR maps that are considered secondary sources. Here's a 1911 map of the proposed trail route for example. And a 1911 map of the Missouri Cross State Highway—Old Trails Road. There's also association president Joseph Macaulay Lowe's 1924 book The National Old Trails Road : The great historic highway of America, detailing the full history of the highway.
 * See the following period newspaper and journal article facsimiles of just a couple from dozens that can be sourced:
 * The Boone’s Lick Road and Santa Fé Trail: The Missouri Cross-State Highway
 * New Highway Association Locates National Road: The 1911 Tri-State Roads Convention in Phoenix
 * — ★ Parsa ☞ talk 09:38, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't see in either of these sources where it states that a different highway was first, or that the Lincoln Highway was not first. 331dot (talk) 09:54, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 1911 and 1912 came before 1913. Does the text have to explicitly state the word "first" when they are providing clear chronological dates? By anyone's definition, something that began in 1911 is "first" when compared to something that began in 1913. — ★ Parsa ☞ talk 18:32, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Except here there are not clear definitions of what a "highway" is from this period. Everything you have posted on this page is original research. As I've already said, I'm not suggesting that you are incorrect. I am only saying that the article currently has two sources to support the statement that the LH "is the first transcontinental highway in the United States and one of the first highways designed expressly for automobiles". Googling gives some others, like a historical marker in Wyoming, among other sources. 331dot (talk) 19:02, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Per WP:RSP NPR is generally considered reliable. If you disagree with what NPR reports in this case, you need to take that up with them and get them to change their reporting. 331dot (talk) 08:49, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * So Wikipedia will support the statement on a single article from some feature reporter as opposed to the clear sources such as the Federal Highway Administration, the US Congressional Records, many dozens of newspaper and journal articles from around the country, and the records of the Daughters of the American Revolution? — ★ Parsa ☞ talk 09:44, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not accept original research. If you have a source which states your ultimate conclusion here- that the Lincoln Highway was not "the first transcontinental highway in the United States" or that another highway was the first, that's what we need. 331dot (talk) 09:51, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No sorry. It's not a Wikipedia article I'm writing that requires secondary sources. It's the fact that a transcontinental highway existed before the Lincoln Highway. I've provided that proof. That makes the statement by the NPR article historically false. News sources make factual errors all the time. I am not responsible to make them alter an old, factually erroneous article for the use by Wikipedia as a source. However, I have provided verifiable and reliable sources above such as the two-part Weingroff article and the 1911 era maps.
 * So, an article is sufficient? Here's an article saying the Yellowstone Trail was the first transcontinental highway: The Oldest Road In America, Yellowstone Trail, Passes Right Through Illinois. Here's the statement by the Yellowstone Trail Association. Contrast that to a similar statement by the Lincoln Highway Association. Here's one saying the Midland Trail was the first: Midland Trail – First Transcontinental Auto Trail. The Lincoln Highway Association themselves says that the road was dedicated in 1913. This article by the US Bureau of Land Management says the National Old Trails Road was built in 1912. The National Park Service that oversees Route 66 as a national historic road states the same about the National Old Trails Road. — ★ Parsa ☞ talk 10:42, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * An "auto trail" is not a highway- the Midland Trail source you provide even has a sign- "Midland Trail to Lincoln Highway". The "only in your state" source seems to be a blog that lacks editorial control and fact checking, and it posted their original research.  Um, yes, this is a Wikipedia article we are discussing and you do need secondary sources, not primary source information like statements from highway associations or government documents.  Publish your original research with a reputable publisher(not self-publish) or write an academic paper that is peer reviewed.  I'm not saying that what you say is incorrect, only that you don't have sources that say what your claim is. I am certainly not the only or last word, and others may comment. 331dot (talk) 10:52, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The Lincoln Highway has the name "highway" in it, but these roads were all called auto trails. They were referred to that way by companies such as Rand McNally. Many bore the name "trail", while others used "highway", "route", "way", or "road." The Weingroff article The National Old Trails Road, posted on the Federal Highway Administration website, clearly talks about the highway as starting in 1911, the two NOTR bills presented to Congress, and the first national convention in April 1912. That's clearly a reputable, verifiable, and reliable secondary source. Nowhere in the FHWA Lincoln Highway article, cited as a source for the Lincoln Highway being the first transcontinental highway, does it actually say it was the first highway. The National Park Service's Special Resource Study: Route 66 corroborates the early date by stating, "The National Old Trails Road, as conceived in 1912, originated on the East Coast with branches to Baltimore and Washington, D.C, and terminated on the West Coast at San Diego." The article I linked to from the Bureau of Land Management also states this. Those are all US federal sources that were researched thoroughly. I also listed Judge Lowe's 1924 book about the history of the National Old Trails Road. In the book The National Old Trails Road in Arizona (with full citations) by Richard and Sherry Mangum (2008, Hexagon Press, Flagstaff), the authors state, "Judge J. M. Lowe of Missouri became aware of the efforts of the DAR in his state and believed that their idea of a modern highway following historic trails was a good one. On October 5, 1910, Lowe addressed the National Good Roads Association convention and outlined the idea for the DAR National Old Trails Road." The book then includes several chapters about discussion on the preferred route of the highway that took place in 1911. The book devotes an entire chapter to the first NOTR national convention in Kansas City on April 18–19, 1912, stating "over five hundred delegates from many states attended." The Association was formed officially, and officers were elected. In 1996, Karl Raitz published a massive two-volume book on the National Road published by Johns Hopkins University Press. Volume 1 is a 489 page history of the National Road, while volume 2 is the definitive 392 page guide to the road. Volume 1 also fully reviews the early history of the National Old Trails Road, including Judge Lowe's 1910 speech to the National Good Roads Association convention and the continuing efforts of the DAR in 1911 to organize the nation behind the transcontinental highway concept. Raitz states, "In 1912, a National Old Trails Road Convention attracted 500 delegates from nine states. All National Road states were represented." All of these facts are corroborated by newspapers of the period and by the records of the Daughters of the American Revolution. — ★ Parsa ☞ talk 18:11, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * "National Old Trails Road, also known as the Ocean-to-Ocean Highway, was established in 1912, and became part of the National Auto Trail system in the United States. One year before the Linclon Highway was dedicated. Are you saying that in 1912 there was a difference between a Coast to Coast Highway and Coast to Coast Road? The NOTR was not renamed until 1926 where coincident with Highwway 66.1928 in California. Did it become a highway in 1926? Chucksjc (talk) 20:24, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @331dot: NPR may be generally reliable, but no organization is infallible. If there are clear sources to the contrary, then that specific article should be disregarded or distinguished so as not to repeat erroneous claims as fact. I will note that the text of the NPR article doesn't quite state the claim so explicitly as it does in the headline.
 * At best, the situation warrants an explanatory footnote such as:
 * "The Lincoln Highway is one of the the first transcontinental highways in the United States and one of the first highways designed expressly for automobiles."
 * At fullest, there may need to be a whole section in the article to address the competing claims.
 * Either way, we address the claim and provide a specific citation on why that claim is wrong. It helps that that FHWA source has a 2018 date on it, making it a more recent piece. Our article needs to be edited to remove the one FHWA source that does not cite the first claim. Perhaps it's only citing the "one of the first highways designed expressly for automobiles" portion, and if so, content needs to be shifted to make clear that the two halves of the sentence don't come from the same pair of sources collectively but individually. If so, then the footnote above would be moved ahead in the sentence.  Imzadi 1979  →   19:01, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying anything is infallible, but there has only been original research posted here, requiring a conclusion to be drawn from the information offered. I'm more than willing to say that the "first" status is disputed or unclear- even though googling "first transcontinental highway" brings up several results for the Lincoln Highway(such as the historical marker in Wyoming I link to above) so I don't think NPR is just making it up. 331dot (talk) 19:05, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm quite happy with your explanatory footnote. 331dot (talk) 19:07, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The issue arises due to the fact that the modern Lincoln Highway Association is very active and as far as I'm aware there is no modern National Old Trails Road Association. Promoters for the Lincoln Highway pretty much universally state that it was the first without any voice countering that claim. Towns along the highway echo that belief and newspapers and websites repeat it. — ★ Parsa ☞ talk 20:55, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Is there any dispute that the NOTR Association was created in 1912 and the Lincoln Highway Association was created in 1913? Chucksjc (talk) 00:37, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The national old trails road : the great historic highway of America; a brief resume of the principal events connected with the rebuilding of the old Cumberland--now the National old trails road--from Washington and Baltimore to Los Angeles (archive.org) . 18 National Old Trails Road HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT Office of State Highway Engineer Columbia, Mo., March 1st, 1912. The three following letters, so pertinent to efforts to rebuild and rehabilitate the old National Road into a great road across the continent, make interesting reading to those persons interested in the Boonslick Road, Santa Fe Trail, or any one of the old roads which make up the National Old Trails Road. Yours truly, CURTIS HILL, State Highway Engineer. Chucksjc (talk) 02:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

 * The explanatory footnote has been reverted and is now gone. I have to still refute the initial statement in this article. It is not original research when there are secondary source books, federal government articles, and maps that clearly state that the National Old Trails Road existed before the formation of the Lincoln Highway. The Yellowstone Trail and Midland Trail also existed at an earlier date. I've cited all of these secondary sources above in these discussions. There is no need for an article to be written about another highway being the "first" when it has been shown to be chronologically older. That's the ultimate condition for primacy in historical research. The Congressional Record has also been used in Wikipedia articles and that clearly shows the existence of the NOTR before 1913. Maps are certainly considered secondary sources and I linked to those as well. It's just ridiculous to me that this is even an issue and seems to represent a bias that should not exist in a global encyclopedia. If one were to find an article saying that another highway was "first" (which I demonstrated was true already), then it calls into doubt a feature article written by a reporter who may not have done the necessary research on the subject, but instead relied on the validity of statements made by people she was interviewing. — — ★ Parsa ☞ talk 22:44, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

 * I agree that it doesn't deserve the simplistic moniker "first transcontinental highway" and I'm glad to see that the article no longer says. that. "One of the first" is much better. Thank you.
 * I even wonder if we need to find some good sources on what the word "highway" meant at the time, and clarify what was actually accomplished, to avoid misunderstandings. There is a new book on the Lincoln, and an interview on NPR (!) just this morning noting that it was really a marketing concept, and was never "finished", and remained dirt in places for decades, etc etc. Francis Barry's 'Back Roads and Better Angels' details his Lincoln Highway trip : NPR. ★NealMcB★ (talk) 19:10, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Cumberland, Ontario (city)

Dispute
Cumberland was never a city. It was a township but mascaraded that by calling itself a municipality. -- Spinboy 03:40, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Then put municipality on it then. -- Earl Andrew - talk 05:23, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

 * It should say township. --[[Image:Ottawa flag.png|20px]] Spinboy 05:33, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

 * No, it was legally a city. It ceased being an official township in 1999. -- Earl Andrew - talk 07:03, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Do you have proof of that? Last I was aware, it was a township right up until amalgimation. --[[Image:Ottawa flag.png|20px]] Spinboy 07:22, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Their historical society is the Cumberland Township Historical Society. --[[Image:Ottawa flag.png|20px]] Spinboy 07:24, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Do you have proof that it was a township at amalgamation? My proof is here. If you feel that is incorrect, I would like proof stating so. -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:10, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

 * In the City of Ottawa bylaws, specifically Pool Enclosure By-law No. 2001 - 259, they define "Old Municipality" as "the old municipalities of the City of Cumberland, the City of Gloucester, the Township of Goulbourn, the City of Kanata, the City of Nepean, the Township of Osgoode, the City of Ottawa, the Township of Rideau, the Village of Rockcliffe Park, the City of Vanier and the Township of West Carleton". See . Also, there are numerous references to "City of Cumberland" in the City of Ottawa Act 1999. For example, see which dissolves the old municipalities. --Big_Iron 10:05, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

 * In that case, this should probably be moved back to Cumberland, Ontario (city) like it was at before. -- Earl Andrew - talk 19:53, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

From your own link, Earl:

 * Unless otherwise stated, these are Municipal Townships.

 * 1850 - Fitzroy, Gloucester, Goulbourn, March, Marlborough, Nepean, North Gower, Osgoode, and Torbolton townships incorporated.
 * 1851 - Cumberland (Township) incorporated.
 * 1852 - Torbolton (Township) incorporated - again.
 * 1969 - Cumberland (Township) is withdrawn from Russell County to become part of Ottawa-Carleton (Regional Municipality).
 * 1974 - Goulbourn (Township), and the villages of Richmond and Stittsville amalgamate as Goulbourn (Township).The townships of Fitzroy, Huntley, and Torbolton amalgamate as West Carleton (Township). The townships of North Gower and Marlborough, along with pieces from the townships of Gloucester, Nepean, and Osgoode, amalgamate as Rideau (Township).
 * 2001 - The townships of Goulbourn, Osgoode, Rideau, and West Carleton are dissolved with the creation of the new Ottawa (City).

-- Spinboy 20:03, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm guessing that Earl is referring to the next section on Cities:
 * 1999 - Cumberland (Township) becomes a city.
 * If you don't accept the opinion of the City of Ottawa or the laws of the Province of Ontario (see links above), then what would be adequate proof? --Big_Iron 09:12, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Spinboy, notice how under 2001 it does not mention Cumberland being dissolved into Ottawa. This is because it was a city. -- Earl Andrew - talk 19:51, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I added a reference to the part of the City of Ottawa Act, 1999 which describes the "Dissolution of old municipalities":

 * 1.   The Regional Municipality of Ottawa-Carleton.
 * 2.   The City of Cumberland.
 * 3.   The City of Gloucester.
 * 4.   The Township of Goulbourn.
 * 5.   The City of Kanata.
 * 6.   The City of Nepean.
 * 7.   The Township of Osgoode.
 * 8.   The City of Ottawa.
 * 9.   The Township of Rideau.
 * 10.  The Village of Rockcliffe Park.
 * 11.  The City of Vanier.
 * 12.  The Township of West Carleton.  1999, c. 14, Sched. E, s. 5 (1).

--Big_Iron 10:07, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

About time to remove the disputed tag?
It's pretty obvious now that Cumberland was a city prior to being amalgamated into Ottawa. Must we continue to have the disputed tag at the top of the article?

2006 census
Cumberland's population isn't independently reported by the Canadian Census anymore...2006 census figure is calculated by summing all of Cumberland's component census tracts. Marathone 09:25, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Proposed page move
As per WP:CANSTYLE, this article should be moved to Cumberland, Ontario, especially since it is no longer a city, and the "(city)" disambiguation is not in keeping with any naming convention. In accordance with the guideline, however, the move is first being raised on the talk page. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 13:05, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Upon realizing that there was another, almost identical, stub article on Cumberland's years as a township, I was bold and merged the two articles at Cumberland, Ontario. There is no need for two stubs dealing with the same subject.  Skeezix1000 (talk) 11:44, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

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Cluniac Reforms

The Cluniac Reforms (also called the Benedictine Reform) were a series of changes within medieval monasticism in the Western Church focused on restoring the traditional monastic life, encouraging art, and caring for the poor. The movement began within the Benedictine order at Cluny Abbey, founded in 910 by William I, Duke of Aquitaine (875–918). The reforms were largely carried out by Saint Odo (c. 878 – 942) and spread throughout France (Burgundy, Provence, Auvergne, Poitou), into England (the English Benedictine Reform), and through much of Italy, northern Portugal and Spain.

Background
In the early 10th century, Western monasticism, which had flourished several centuries earlier with St Benedict of Nursia, was experiencing a severe decline due to unstable political and social conditions resulting from the nearly continuous Viking raids, widespread poverty and, especially, the dependence of abbeys on the local nobles who controlled all that belonged to the territories under their jurisdiction.

The impetus for the reforms lay in abuses thought to be a result of secular interference in the monasteries and of the Church's tight integration with the feudal and manorial systems. Since a Benedictine monastery required land, it needed the patronage of a local lord. However, the lord would often demand rights and assert prerogatives that interfered with the operation of the monastery. Patrons normally retained a proprietary interest and expected to install their kinsmen as abbots. Local aristocrats often established churches, monasteries, and convents that they then considered as family property, taking revenues from them, and leaving the monks that remained subsisting in poverty.

Some monasteries were established by feudal lords with the intention of retiring there at some point. The Benedictine Rule, in these monasteries, was modified to schedule matins at a time when it would not interrupt sleep and to expand the vegetarian diet. Monks in these houses wore richer, warmer clothing and were free to disregard the rules pertaining to fasting.

The Cluny reform was an attempt to remedy these practices in the hope that a more independent abbot would better enforce the Rule of Saint Benedict.

Cluny Abbey
William I, Duke of Aquitaine (875-918) had acquired a piece of land in Burgundy. In 910 he founded Cluny Abbey and asked Abbot Berno of Baume Abbey to preside. The Abbot of Cluny retained authority over the daughter houses his order founded. By the twelfth century, the Congregation of Cluny included more than a thousand monasteries.

Berno had established St. Peter's monastery at Gigny and Baume Abbey on the rule as interpreted by Benedict of Aniane, who had sought to restore the primitive strictness of the monastic observance wherever it had been relaxed. The rule focused on prayer, silence, and solitude.

Among the most notable supporters of the Cluniac reforms were Pope Urban II, Lambert of Hersfeld, and Richard of Verdun. The reforms encouraged the Church in the West to be more attentive to business and led the papacy to attempt to assert control over the Eastern Church.

Result
During its height (c. 950–c.1130), the Cluniac movement was one of the largest religious forces in Europe. At least as significantly as their political consequences, the reforms demanded greater religious devotion. The Cluniacs supported the Peace of God, and promoted pilgrimages to the Holy Lands. An increasingly rich liturgy stimulated demand for altar vessels of gold, fine tapestries and fabrics, stained glass, and polyphonic choral music to fill the Romanesque churches.

The Cistercian Order
In 1075 Robert de Molesme, a Benedictine monk from Cluny Abbey, had obtained the permission of Pope Gregory VII to found a monastery at Molesme in Burgundy. At Molesme, Robert tried to restore monastery practice to the simple and severe character of the original Rule of Saint Benedict, called "Strict Observance". Being only partly successful in this at Molesme, Robert in 1098 led a band of 21 monks from their abbey at Molesme to establish a new monastery. The monks acquired a plot of marsh land just south of Dijon called Cîteaux (Latin: "Cistercium") and set about building a new monastery there which became Cîteaux Abbey, the mother Abbey of the newly founded Cistercian Order.

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War of Nerves

"War of Nerves" is a song by English girl group All Saints, released by London Records on 23 November 1998 as the fifth and final single from their debut album, All Saints. Group members Shaznay Lewis, Natalie Appleton and Nicole Appleton wrote the song with producers Cameron McVey and Magnus Fiennes. It is a ballad concerning mortality, inspired by the death of Diana, Princess of Wales. "War of Nerves" debuted at number seven on the UK Singles Chart, making it the group's fifth consecutive single to chart in the top 10.

Background
"War of Nerves" was the last song recorded for the group's 1997 debut album, All Saints. The group wrote the song as a response to the death of Diana, Princess of Wales. In an interview for The Irish Times, group member Shaznay Lewis reflected, "I never really thought about things like my own death until it happened to Diana. And the song definitely did help me face those feelings." Natalie Appleton named it her favourite song on the album in the Appleton autobiography Together, saying, "the emotions are powerful and it gives me chills."

Critical reception
In his review of All Saints for Rolling Stone, Chuck Eddy said the song "has an aptly unnerving prettiness". Sarah Davis of Dotmusic gave "War of Nerves" four out of five stars, writing, "A distinctly heart-felt ballad, it's more soulful than most of their previous releases, including 'Never Ever' and while at first appears to go nowhere, is an engaging listen." Conversely, Caitlin Moran of The Times believed "War of Nerves" proved that "Never Ever" was "a one-off, a glorious anomaly" and "the albatross around their necks". NME's Jim Firth derided it as "unfettered toss" and "a sawn-off version of the Lionel Richie song book", concluding, "No tune, no soul, no fun." Len Righi of The Morning Call wrote that All Saints seem "determined to embody monotony" on the track. In retrospective reviews, Jon O'Brien from AllMusic said "the gorgeous, sweeping strings of soulful ballad 'War of Nerves' have aged better than most of their contemporaries' output", while The Guardian's Caroline Sullivan found the song forgettable.

Track listing
These are the formats and track listings of major single releases of "War of Nerves".

Music video
The music video of "War of Nerves" is set in London's famous Met Bar in the Metropolitan Hotel. It also features a London bus with an advertisement for All Saints which was visible in London for quite a while. Member Melanie Blatt's pregnancy was also written in the concept for the video as she would be shown singing in the shower, exposing her belly in a silhouette. It also features a fight in a garage, between sisters Natalie and Nicole Appleton, they later comfort each other.

Live performances
The song has been performed in a number of All Saints' concerts since their 2014 comeback. In the album version, lead vocals are shared by Shaznay Lewis and Melanie Blatt, however Natalie Appleton has taken over Lewis's lead vocals for all recent live performances. In the 2016 Red Flag tour, the song was combined with Red Flag single "This Is A War".

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Proposed page move
As per WP:CANSTYLE, this article should be moved to Cumberland, Ottawa. In accordance with the guideline, however, the move is first being raised on the talk page. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 13:05, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The reason for (community) is to disambiguate between the township of Cumberland, the city of Cumberland, and this article because they're all essentially the same region. The reason for Ottawa, Ontario is because there's more than one city named Ottawa, and more than one Cumberland, Ontario. (see Ottawa (disambiguation)) None of the other articles (Gloucester, Ontario, Orléans, Ontario, Leitrim, Ontario, etc.) are titled Name+Ottawa, so unless the issue is raised there as well, I don't see a reason to change the name. - Io Katai (talk) 19:35, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There would be no reason for the word "community" if this article (the village) is at Cumberland, Ottawa, while the others (which are now merged, by the way, because they dealt with the exact same thing) on the larger Cumberland area are at Cumberland, Ontario. Two different titles, so no need for additional disambiguation as per WP:DAB.  Further, using a descriptor like (community) is not a form of disambiguation contemplated by WP:CANSTYLE, the goal of which is to standardize neighbourhood article titles in Canada.  As for the other articles that you have mentioned ((Gloucester, Ontario, Orléans, Ontario, Leitrim, Ontario), they are a completely different kettle of fish, similar to Cumberland, Ontario but not this article, and are treated differently under the guideline.  Skeezix1000 (talk) 21:48, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

 * there's something wrong with the description in the lead: how can a village be part of a city? is it maybe part of National Capital Region (Canada) instead? --Qyd (talk) 23:18, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Since amalgamation, Ottawa contains a large rural swath (a former ring of townships), with many settlements that are commonly referred to as villages. And it is confusing in this case because the village and its former township (which are separate entities) both share the same name.  And they are both now part of Ottawa.  Hope that helps. Skeezix1000 (talk) 11:40, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

 * It's not inaccurate. Cumberland used to be independant from Ottawa, owing to its name "Cumberland village", which is still a popular term used today. But more precisely, the term 'village' can be used to refer to an area within a larger municipality (in this case, Ottawa is a municipality) See the article Village#North America: incorporated village for more details. - Io Katai (talk) 04:40, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I also fail to see how the articles Gloucester, Ontario, Orléans, Ontario, Leitrim, Ontario, and the rest of Ottawa's communities are any different from this one? They include the same information, but are suffixed with Ontario instead. Cumberland is also recognized as a distinct and valid municipal address by Canada Post. Why not keep consistency and move the disambiguation page to Cumberland, Ontario (disambiguation) and move this article to Cumberland, Ontario, as the factual name for the other one is Cumberland Beach, Simcoe County (Google maps and Canada Post verify this). - Io Katai (talk) 05:01, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

 * You are correct. Cumberland is recognised as a distinct and valid municipal address by Canada Post.  But not this Cuumberland.  As you know, the City of Ottawa contains two entities with the same name "Cumberland": there is the former township/city of Cumberland (population of approx. 60,000), and the village of Cumberland (population of approx. 2500).  The township/city, which was once an autonomous municipality, is a distinct and valid postal address, and accordingly its article is already at Cumberland, Ontario (just like Leitrim, Gloucester, etc.).  The village, which happens to be located within the former township/city, has never been an autonomous municipality and is not a separate postal location (in fact, it never needed to be, as letters would have already been addressed to Cumberland, due to the fact that it was located in the township/city with the same name).  The village can't be at Cumberland, Ontario (that title is already taken by the township/city), and according to the guideline at WP:CANSTYLE, it should be titled Cumberland, Ottawa.  The current title, Cumberland, Ottawa, Ontario (community), is an inappropriate and unnecessary form of disambiguation.  If you would like, there can be a DAB page at Cumberland, Ontario (disambiguation), and I will create one.  However, the Cumberland in Simcoe County would (once an article is created) be at Cumberland, Severn (because we disambiguate using the municipality, not the upper-tier municipality). I hope that all makes sense.  --Skeezix1000 (talk) 11:58, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Anyhow, under a day ago the article Cumberland, Ontario was just a disambiguation page, but I see you merged the other two articles, which is probably for the best. In this case, I'll agree to displacing this article to Cumberland, Ottawa, however the other Cumberland should be rightfully Cumberland Beach, Severn, or even Cumberland Beach, Ontario (not Cumberland, Severn) as that's the real name of the place. I verified the Township of Severn's website just to make sure, along with Google Maps and Canada Post. - Io Katai (talk) 19:29, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

 * It may very well be Cumberland Beach. I am just going on the content of the Severn article, and the fact that the Cumberland Ontario DAB page listed it as Cumberland.  But absent any actual article on it, I'm not too concerned. Skeezix1000 (talk) 20:09, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Done. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 13:49, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Embassy Row, Ottawa

Residence vs. Embassy
The article on the Jamaican embassy says it's on Slater Street. But that *is* the Jamaican flag in the photo. Perhaps, that's where the ambassador lives? -- Earl Andrew - talk 18:44, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

 * They migh call it "Embassy Row" but to me it looks like those are mostly official residences not the actual embassies (formally chancery). --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 23:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

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Nokia Communicator

The Nokia Communicator is a brand name for a series of business-optimized mobile phones marketed by Nokia Corporation, all of which appear as normal (if large) phones on the outside, and open in clamshell format to access a QWERTY keyboard and an LCD screen nearly the size of the device footprint.

Nokia Communicators have Internet connectivity and clients for Internet and non-Internet communication services. The earlier 9000 series Communicators introduced features which later developed into smartphones. The latest Communicator model, the Nokia E90 Communicator, is part of the Nokia Eseries.

Models
The Nokia 9300 and 9300i (running Symbian OS version 7.0s and Series 80 v2.0) are very similar to the Nokia 9500 but were not marketed under the Communicator name by Nokia. Likewise, the Nokia N97 and Nokia E7 (running Symbian^3) from 2009 and 2011 respectively are also similar to the Communicator series, but not marketed as it.

Movies

 * The first Nokia smartphone in the movies was Nokia Communicator 9000: Val Kilmer as The Saint used the device to foil the plans of a villainous Russian oligarch back in 1997.
 * In Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines the Terminatrix (T-X), played by Kristanna Loken, hijacks a silver Lexus SC 430 and uses a Nokia 9210 inside the car to dial-up a remote link to a local phone systems server.
 * In Bad Company (2002) the special phone used by Chris Rock is the Nokia 9210.

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Talk:Dunrobin, Ontario

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Talk:Greely, Ontario

Softball
I'm not sure it's appropriate to have a section on softball that's longer than the article itself, expecially since it doesn't seem to be very notable. Hockeyalltheway25 (talk) 14:29, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Origin of name
Does anyone know why the town was named 'Greely?' Was it named after a notable family or after an older town somewhere? Grandma Roses (talk) 13:28, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

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picture of Albert Belmont (A. B.) Graham

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Harrier Attack

Harrier Attack (stylized as Harrier Attack!) is a horizontally scrolling shooter released for the Oric 1 and ZX Spectrum in 1983 by Durell Software. Ports for the Amstrad CPC and Commodore 64 were published in 1984.

Gameplay
The player controls a Sea Harrier fighter, looking sideways onto a right-to-left scrolling seascape and landscape. The aim of the game is to take off from a carrier, attack ships and land targets, avoid the occasional missile and enemy fighter, then land back on the carrier again. Although the game was a work of fiction, it was inspired by the 1982 Falklands War, in which the Sea Harrier had played a major role.

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Talk:Ficko

Proposed page move
- move to Ficko, Ottawa.

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Talk:Dorrit Hoffleit

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This stub is plagiarized from here:

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/d/do/dorrit_hoffleit.htm

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.132.143.49 (talk • contribs) 16:16, 9 October 2005

 * The link above is broken. See instead: http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Dorrit_Hoffleit which includes the text of this Wikipedia biography under the terms of the GFDL. It is not plagiarism. --mikeu talk 15:33, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Gloucester Glen

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- move to Gloucester Glen.

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 * I'm born and bred Ottawan, and I have never heard the term K-Lau-Bro. Is this for real?  Skeezix1000 21:52, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I've redirected the page to Centretown and commented out the OttawaProject template. Pburka 01:53, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Heron Gate

NPOV dispute
The following section of this article is written as an advertisement for a real estate agent, and contains unverifiable, as well as personal opinions: "At the moment, Heron Gate is growing a great community of new homes, and the real state business is giving a great value to this central area of the city".

While it is true that Heron Gate has ONE developer building new homes in the area, the writer cannot make the claim that these add great value to the region, nor state that these homes are creating a great community. To me, this seems like promotional material for the one developer in question. Userinottawa (talk) 06:46, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Given that the Timbercreek evictions are a significant source of press and scholarship for this area, I've moved that information to its own section. I've also removed the references to renx.ca, since, as an industry source (the interview is with Timbercreek’s executive director of marketing), it does not appear to be reliable as per wiki standards. CropMilk (talk) 13:42, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

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Nelly Wicky

Nelly Wicky-Rosset (2 March 1923 – 27 January 2020) was a Swiss politician of the Swiss Labour Party and member of the Swiss National Council (1971–1975). Elected shortly after the introduction of women's suffrage, she was one of the first women in the National Council.

Biography
Nelly Rosset was born on 2 March 1923 in the commune of Le Petit-Saconnex, now a part of the city of Geneva. Her father, Robert Rosset, was a railroad worker. She studied education at the Rousseau Institute where she was a student of the psychologist Jean Piaget. Later Rosset became a teacher in Geneva. In 1948, she married Robert Wicky, who was one of the founders of the Swiss Party of Labour.

Nelly was politically active even as her husband was punished for his political beliefs. In 1963, she was elected to the Geneva Municipal Council. In a referendum of 1971, after Swiss women were granted the right to vote at the federal level and stand for election, she was elected from the Canton of Geneva to the National Council, becoming one of the first 12 women elected to the federal parliament. She served one term and failed to win re-election in the 1975 election. After her defeat, she remained active in politics as a member of the Geneva Municipal Council until 1991 and has a leading figure in the Labor Party until 1998.

Wicky died on 27 January 2020 in the town of Onex. She was preceded in death by her husband, Robert, who died accidentally in 1983.

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Talk:Honey Gables

Proposed page move
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Mount Hunter (Antarctica)

Mount Hunter (-64.08333°N, -62.4°W) is a mountain in northern Stribog Mountains, 1,410 m high, standing 4 nmi west-southwest of Duclaux Point on Pasteur Peninsula, Brabant Island, in the Palmer Archipelago, Antarctica. It surmounts Podayva Glacier to the north, Burevestnik Glacier to the northeast, Lister Glacier to the southeast and Dodelen Glacier to the west.

The mountain was shown on an Argentine government chart in 1953, but not named. It was photographed by Hunting Aerosurveys Ltd in 1956–57, and mapped from these photos in 1959. The feature was named by the UK Antarctic Place-Names Committee for John Hunter, a British surgeon, comparative anatomist and physiologist, who revolutionized the approach to surgery as an exact science in relation to other aspects of medicine.

Maps

 * Antarctic Digital Database (ADD). Scale 1:250000 topographic map of Antarctica. Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research (SCAR). Since 1993, regularly upgraded and updated.
 * British Antarctic Territory. Scale 1:200000 topographic map. DOS 610 Series, Sheet W 64 62. Directorate of Overseas Surveys, Tolworth, UK, 1980.
 * Brabant Island to Argentine Islands. Scale 1:250000 topographic map. British Antarctic Survey, 2008.

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Talk:Kanata, Ontario

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Annexed by Ottawa? Is the word annexed really necessary? Though I know the word annex means "the legal incorporation of some territory into another geo-political entity" the word annex conjures up images of hostile miltary take over, becauce of that I am changing it into "merged with" Pseudoanonymous 04:02, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I hadn't picked up on that, but you're absolutely right. It was an amalgamation, not an annexation.  The former City of Ottawa ceased to exist in the same way that the former City of Kanata ceased to exist; the former didn't take over the latter.  Skeezix1000 13:11, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

March Road
Is it really necessary to have such a large section inline on March Road? It's already got it's own page. Edgeware 13:39, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I've recently deleted it due to unnecessary duplication. I have also cast doubts on the notability of the Music section.

Meanwhile, if i've forgot any communities within Kanata, please feel free to add it.--JForget 17:30, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Estimated population
Is the estimated population REALLY 100,000? I find it hard to believe that when I arrived in Kanata with my parents in 1984 that the population was 25,000 and it's now 100,000. Zenitram82 15:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Given the growth in Kanata over the last twenty years, 100000 might not be far off. However, population data must be sourced (and the source should be reliable and verifiable -- such as Statscan).  Someone's unsourced estimate of the current population is not appropriate content for the article.  I have removed the sentence in question.  Skeezix1000 16:20, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I know Kanata has grown incredibly over the last twenty years but I find it hard to believe Kanata has hit the 100,000 mark yet. Zenitram82 17:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Umm I live in Kanata, and I remember talking about the population a year ago. We thought there were about 70,000 people in Kanata. Thats pretty far from 100,000. If you search google, "kanata population" the town's official site puts the population at 67 000 as of 2004. I don't think it can grow to 100,000 in one year. So I am changing it to 70,000. Pseudoanonymous 21:57, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm saying this some years later but I'm pretty sure Kanata is pushing 200,000 70.26.169.152 (talk) 04:12, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Kanata neighborhoods
Just a head's up on the neighborhood page of Kanata. I spent some time today updating this area. Before amalgamation, there were actually 10 neighborhoods (not including the rural Kanata area). I thought it would be of benifit to update this area with the proper names and boundaries. Sorry about all the changes in the history tab - the more I updated the small errors, the more errors I found later. For consistancy, I basically ended up re-posting that part of the article a couple of times. Hope no one takes offense...Mpwilsonis 00:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Removed the Kanata West neighborhood listed. The area described between Maple Grove, Hazelden and Terryfox contains no developments other than the Kanata Recreation Complex and the associated lands. Furthermore the border between Stittsville and Kanata was misunderstood. The boundary is the Carp River and thus the big box stores such as the Lowes are firmly within Stittsville's boundaries and are administrated by Ward 6 - Stittsville. You can consult the city of Ottawa map if you are unsure. Because of the fact that there was no actual housing or new developments on the Kanata side of the area originally described I thought it was just more accurate to scrap the neighborhood all together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.26.169.152 (talk) 04:31, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

2006 census
Kanata's population isn't independently reported by the Canadian Census anymore...2006 census figure is calculated by summing all of Kanata's component census tracts. Marathone 09:25, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Photo
I don't think the photo currently in use, of an empty road (March Road) represents Kanata very well. I'm sure a better photo can be found. LK 19:59, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Agreed! I took a picture of the KANATA sign inside the NE cloverleaf at Eagleson Road and Hwy 417 and placed it above the existing picture, not wanting to take the decision to delete that picture, although I would not mind if it was removed. Not sure what else could "represent" Kanata any better than that big sign that's not a shopping centre or another road :) --Jelsova (talk) 23:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Nothing on the Tech problems
Obvious the recent announcement from Dell is one of the reasons I'm posting this comment, but I see nothing about the Tech history/problems that Kanata endured. Nothing on the late 90s tech bubble burst. -- JForget 19:37, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Elementary schools
Please update this. More than one of the elementary schools listed under English Language were converted in the late 1970s - early 1980s to "French immersion"-style instruction where use of English is minimized due to most of the childrens' mother tongues being English already. See Official bilingualism in Canada. Oldspammer (talk) 14:12, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Retitle article
Since it appears that Kanata is now a section of the city of Ottawa, and no longer just a city within Ottawa's metro area, should the title of the article not be "Kanata, Ottawa, Ontario"? I don't want to do this without input, though. YellowAries2010 (talk) 05:36, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Adjacent places of Kanata, Ontario
According to the graphic at the bottom, Pakenham is adjacent to Kanata, but it's not. Carp and Barrhaven are adjacent to Kanata, but missing from the image. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JordanLeBlanc (talk • contribs) 19:58, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Census information
It seems Stats Can population census information includes parts of Stittsville in the count. Are we to include Stittsville as well or count it differently? Earl Andrew just changed the census data from 117,806 to 90,806 (117,304 in the population centre). While I don't disagree with this change we need to know where 90,806 came from. Kindest regards. 174.95.4.183 (talk) 23:27, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

 * The 90,806 is within the former city limits of Kanata. I will put in a proper source. -- Earl Andrew - talk 15:48, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

 * A place's "population centre" doesn't necessarily correspond to the geographic boundaries of the place itself: it can include areas outside of Kanata that are demographically contiguous with it, and it can exclude areas in Kanata that aren't as densely populated. So it would be valid to include Kanata's "population centre" as supplementary data, clarifying that that includes Stittsville, but the basic "population of Kanata" itself should correctly reflect the number Earl Andrew is citing. Bearcat (talk) 00:39, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Battle of Matapan

Forces? I don't understand
In the order of battle, it lists the Van, centre and rear, plus the allied division, but who's ships were in the first three divisions? Kai2004 (talk) 02:02, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

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User talk:-ACL-

March 2011
Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from 28th Alberta general election. When removing content, please specify a reason in the edit summary and discuss edits that are likely to be controversial on the article's talk page. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the content has been restored, as you can see from the page history. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. 117Avenue (talk) 21:53, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi there, thanks for the welcome, but there was no mistake behind my edit. I intentionally removed the "seats needed" from the infobox on 28th Alberta general election, in accordance to the discussion that occurred on Talk:Canadian_federal_election,_2011. I had already did this once today and provided full explanation behind my doing so. The reversion back to the former was subsequently done without reasoning either. If we need to reopen discussion on every single upcoming election page, I suppose we could do so. But in the end, I simply do not agree that "seats needed" is a necessary addition to Canadian electoral pages. Not only is it nonsensical to suggest that the PC's need -23 seats to win a majority but it is also, in a way, incorrect to suggest that the Liberals need 36 seats to win the election. That is not the way our parliamentary system works, any party with a plurality of seats (whether it hits the majority mark or not) can form a government, just as a coalition of parties (all obviously without the required "seats needed") could form a government. "Seats needed" is simply an unnecessary line on this infobox that can be taken away. Readers can do the math to figure out what a particular party would require in order to achieve a majority. -ACL- (talk) 22:05, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you think that when people see "seats needed", that it isn't seats needed for a majority? Because that's what I think. 117Avenue (talk) 22:09, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * This is a point that was raised in the discussion on Talk:Canadian_federal_election,_2011. Because I'm aware of Canadian politics and elections, I understand what you're referring to but to an outside reader it may not be exactly clear. I think noting that these are the "seats needed for a majority" it may be a little more valuable to have in the infobox. However, then I think it may start to become cluttered. Since the amount of seats each party had at dissolution is provided anyways, if it was noted, for example, on the Alberta election page under "87 seats in the Legislative Assembly of Alberta" that "44 seats are needed for a majority," I personally think it would be sufficient. On the whole, though, if we're not going to have "seats needed" on the federal election page, I don't really see why we should have it on all provincial pages either. -ACL- (talk) 22:17, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Ya, I can see it your way. 117Avenue (talk) 01:23, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for being so cordial about it! -ACL- (talk) 01:51, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Some else has actually started a discussion for a parameter at Template talk:Infobox election. 117Avenue (talk) 19:29, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

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Heacham

Heacham is a large village in West Norfolk, England, overlooking The Wash. It lies between King's Lynn, 14 mi to the south, and Hunstanton, about 3 mi to the north. It has been a seaside resort for over a century and a half.

History
There is evidence of settlement in the Heacham area over the last 5,000 years, with numerous Neolithic and later Bronze Age finds within the parish. This is presumably because the local geology consists of primarily cretaceous sands and underlying chalk, meaning that there is very little surface water for miles in any direction. This can also be seen along the banks of the Caudle Carr outside Dersingham, where numerous archaeological finds have been made. Running water along with fertile surrounding lands made Heacham an ideal place for settlement by early man. Evidence of habitation continues through the Iron Age into the Romano-British era.

However, the present village probably did not appear until the 5th century, with the Anglo-Saxon invasion and the beginnings of present-day East Anglia.

The name of the village is said to derive from a 12th-century Norman lord, Geoffrey de Hecham. This is possible, but unlikely, as the name "de Hecham" literally means "of Hecham", implying that the place name already existed. The name Hecham was noted in the Little Domesday Book, written around 1086 as part of the Smithdon hundred (Smetheduna). Before the Norman Conquest, Heacham was held by two Saxons, Alnoth, and Toki the king's thegn, whose estates centred around a hall in Castle Acre. After the Norman Conquest, the lands passed to William de Warenne and his brother-in-law Frederick de Warenne, who was later killed by Hereward the Wake.

Smethden HUNDRED. Of the fief of Frederick. Hecham was held by Toki, a free man, TRE (Tempore Regis Eduardi). There have always been 7 ploughs in demesne and 70 bordars and 6 slaves, and 12 acres of meadow and 7 ploughs belonging to the men; woodland for 100 pigs, and 3½ mills; 1 fishery; always 1 horse, 30 head of cattle, 60 pigs, 600 sheep. Here belong 35 sokemen, 1½ carucates of land; always 6 ploughs, 4 acres of meadow. Then it was worth £12, now 15. In the same place William de Warenne holds 2 carucates of land which Alnoth, a free man, held TRE. There have always been 26 bordars and 2 slaves and 6 acres of meadow, and 2 ploughs in demesne, and 1½ ploughs belonging to the men, and half a mill, and 1 salt-pan and 1 fishery, and 4 sokemen [with] 2 acre. Then [there were] 12 head of cattle, now 16. Then [there were] 30 pigs, now 40. Then [there were] 80 sheep, now 60.

The name Heacham is more likely to derive from the local river, the Hitch, in conjunction with the Old English place-word "ham", which meant either "homestead, village, manor, estate" or "enclosure, land hemmed by water or marsh or higher ground, land in a river bend, river meadow, promontory".

In 1085 Heacham manor was given by William de Warenne to a cell of Cluniac monks from the Priory of St Pancras of Lewes, to pray for the soul of his late wife Gundreda. After the dissolution, about 1541, the manor passed to Thomas Howard, 3rd Duke of Norfolk.

Medieval economy
In 1272 Heacham was granted by royal charter a weekly market on Wednesdays and 3 days during the mid-August Fairs on 14, 15 and 16 August.

By 1300 the population of Heacham was estimated at 1200 to 1500, making Heacham a small town.

In the market women in the upper layer of Heacham tenant families were prominent the Heacham ale and bread market. Even in the baking sector where men had a large share in the production of bread, women dominated the market by their numbers. The market involved women from all of the community, top to bottom, with 531 women belonging to 231 families. Between 1276 and 1324, around the time of the great European famine, the Leet Court sessions listed many women selling ale or bread who were not able to pay the licensing tax and were declared by the aletasters and the steward presiding the court condonatae causa paupertatis (pardoned for the sake of poverty).

The participation of women in the market gave them opportunity to build economic and public roles in the community. As examples Matilda Peper was elected aletaster in 1314. Alice de Redham, Alice Genever1307; Alice, Isolda and Sabina Elnot, 1310; Isabel Rocelin, 1315 and again 1320; Agnes le Notere, 1324) were elected collectores.

The survey Inquisitio Navium of 1337 mentions 12 Heacham tenants owning fishing ships. The richest, Simon Lambriht, had 7 ships ranging from 5 tons to 32 tons.

There was some long-distance trade, wood from Scandinavia or woollen cloth from Flanders, stone from Normandy. The bulk of the Heacham traffic was with other Norfolk ports, and especially Bishop’s Lynn where Heacham sent fish, salt, corn in bulk or flour sacks, and sacks of wool. Heacham was the maritime outlet for a number of land-locked manors in North West Norfolk. The Heacham demesne accounts mentions its horse-drawn carts often transporting a harvest surplus as far as Fakenham.

The port of Heacham imported from Lynn goods for everyday life, particularly for the building trades. It imported mill-stones and iron manufactured goods, nails, horseshoes, iron parts for the ploughs and tools, the carts and the mills, leather and wool manufactured goods for clothing and the farming economy.

The ships that enabled this trade would be Cogs, flat bottomed boats widely used from the North Sea to the Baltic.

Church
The Church of St Mary the Virgin is the oldest functioning building. Norman in style, it dates from 1230. The earliest record of the church, covenant for building a chapel to the Blessed Virgin Mary being 1248. In the cupola on the tower hangs a bell dating from about 1100, making it the oldest in East Anglia and seventh oldest in the country. The transepts 12 ft from the east end have been lost and the roof has been lowered.

Pocahontas
Heacham has historic ties to Matoaka (better known as Pocahontas), who married John Rolfe on 5 April 1614 at a church in Jamestown, Virginia. Rolfe took his wife, Rebecca (Pocahontas), and their two-year-old son, Thomas, to visit his family at Heacham Hall in 1616, but settled in Brentford. A year later, Rebecca died in Gravesend, when John was going to return her to Virginia. She was laid to rest at St George's parish churchyard. After that, John returned to Virginia with Tomocomo. Samuel Argall commanded the ship. Thomas was guarded by Lewis Stukley and later adopted by John's brother Henry. John married Jane Pierce two years later. They soon had a daughter named Elizabeth. Perhaps John lost his life in the 1622 Native American massacre near Jamestown. The Rolfe family residence, Heacham Hall, burned down in 1941.

Beaches
Heacham became popular as a seaside resort with the Victorians, when the railway between King's Lynn and Hunstanton opened in the early 1860s. This culminated in the building of the Jubilee Bridge in 1887 to replace an old wooden bridge, using unspent subscriptions from parishioners to the celebrations for Queen Victoria's Diamond Jubilee. Heacham is still popular as a seaside resort. Both the North Beach (Jubilee) Road and South Beach Road are lined with caravan parks.

Heacham's beaches are on the east banks of The Wash. They are among the few in eastern England where the sun sets over the sea, not the land.

On 29 July 1929, Mercedes Gleitze became the first woman to swim The Wash, completing the crossing on a third attempt. Originally aiming for Hunstanton, she came ashore at Heacham after battling strong tides for over 13 hours. Heacham was badly affected by the North Sea flood of 1953: nine people died when the sea broke through. In early 2013, an exhibition of the North Sea Flood was held at St Mary's Church, with contributions from Heacham's infant and junior schools and from other villagers.

Norfolk lavender
Norfolk Lavender Ltd was founded in 1932. Linn Chilvers supplied the plants and the labour and Francis Dusgate of Fring Hall the land. The first lavender beds were planted on Dusgate's land at Fring; in 1936 Dusgate acquired Caley Mill on the River Heacham and the ground around it, not for building but for the land. Lavender has been grown there ever since. A kiosk was erected, from which bunches of lavender were sold to passing pre-war traffic.

By 1936 Caley Mill was disused. No major repairs were carried out until 1953–1954, after a new A149 road with a lay-by and kiosk had been built, which cut across the lavender field. Further repairs and restoration were carried out at the mill in 1977–1978 and in the late 1980s. Since the early 1990s its output has widened to include other typical English floral fragrances. These are sold at home and abroad.

Transport
Frequent bus services via Heacham are run by Lynx between King's Lynn and Hunstanton. The village railway station was open from 1862 to 1969.

Notable people
In birth order:

 * William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey (died 1088), held land here.
 * John Rolfe (1585–1622), early settler in Virginia and husband of Pocahontas, was born here.
 * Charles Atmore (1759–1826), Wesleyan evangelist, was born here.
 * Robert Gunther (1869–1940), historian of science at Oxford University, is buried here.
 * John Metcalfe (1891–1965), novelist, was born here.
 * Patrick Hadley (1899–1973), composer and conductor, retired here.
 * Moss Evans (1925–2002), general secretary of the Transport and General Workers' Union, died here.
 * Judy Cornwell (born 1940), actress, went to school here.
 * Colin Garwood (born 1949), professional footballer, was born here.
 * Mary Mackie (living), writer of romance and non-fiction, lives here.
 * James Donaldson (born 1957), professional basketball player, was born here.
 * Trisha Goddard (born 1957), TV presenter, went to primary school here.
 * Brendan Coyle (born 1962), actor, lives here.

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Schools
St. Mark Catholic High School is not listed under the schools in Manotick. Even though it is not in the village, it has a Manotick address and should probably be listed here. I will add it, and if there is any objection, please feel free to explain why it should not be there. Ltig3 21:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Mahogany subdivision dispute
This section needs to be updated. Now that the OMB has approved the subdivision, the section should focus mostly on what WILL be built, not what is "expected" or "proposed". I propose one paragraph for the future developments, one paragraph for the history of the dispute (major rulings, votes, town halls, etc), and one paragraph for criticism and support. Though there will undoubtedly be more criticism than support, there are both. Since the criticism/support section is obviously the one most susceptible to POV, it especially needs to be referenced.

In a perfect world, I'd say this section shouldn't exist, based on the fact that it is notable mostly as a current event. If we get a decent section going, maybe it can just be cut down to a paragraph and stuck somewhere else. -M.Nelson (talk) 02:11, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

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Map
This map looks better to me. (Click to see it full-size.) What do others think? --Wetman 20:23, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree! Fennessy 00:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It isn't perfect, but then it is really hard to find a good map on this topic without getting into large sizes. I'll keep my eyes open for one and will leave this unless I find one.Dave (talk) 02:31, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Citation tags
I don't blame you old chap but my experience with the Wikifuzz suggests they prefer a single tag at the top or near it - less messy. However, you got it this way so let's leave it. It makes no difference, it needs a rewrite. Some of the items you tagged happen to be true, but that makes no difference either; it still need sources. I can work on it in small bits at a time so don't get impatient if they don't all vanish at once.Dave (talk) 02:31, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Deleted unhistorical claim that Crixus was an Allobroge
There is no evidence to back up the (unreferenced) claim that "Crixus, the chief lieutenant of Spartacus during the Third Servile War was an Allobrogian Gaul." None of the ancient sources mentioned where he was from or his ethnicity: Florus, (Epitome of Roman History 2.8.3), Orosius, (History Against the Pagans, 5.24), Appian, (The Civil wars, 9.116.17), Sallust (Histories, 3.64) and Livy (Periochae, 96.1).

According to Andrew Breeze (2008) the Gaulish name Crixus is a cognate of the Latin Crispus 'curly-headed one'.(Cricklade and the Britons". Wiltshire Archaeological & Natural History Magazine. Vol. 101. p. 316). However, whilst this may be an indication that Crixus was a Gaul, it by means follow that he was an Allobroge. 020amonra (talk) 10:38, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

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Mario Cimarro

Mario Antonio Cimarro Paz (born June 1, 1971) is a Cuban actor.

Biography
Mario Antonio Cimarro Paz was born on June 1, 1971, in Havana, Cuba. He is the son of Antonio Luis Cimarro and María Caridad Paz. He has a sister, named María Antonia Cimarro Paz.

Career
He made his big screen debut in 1995 in Acapulco, cuerpo y alma.

In 1996, he made the theatrical seasons of Romeo y Julieta.

From 2003 to 2004, he was the Main role of the Colombian television series Pasión de Gavilanes with Natasha Klauss, Michel Brown, Juan Alfonso Baptista, Danna García and Paola Rey.

From 2005 to 2006, he was the Main role of the television series El Cuerpo del Deseo with Lorena Rojas.

He had a recurring role on the USA Network's Necessary Roughness (2011–2013) and Jesus Cristo de Nazaret (2020).

In August 2019, he traveled to Paraguay to be part of the jury staff for the eighth season of the program Baila conmigo Paraguay.

In 2021, it is confirmed that the actor will give reprise his role of Juan Reyes Guerrero in the second season of Pasión de Gavilanes.

In 2023, Cimarro took part in Slovak rendition of Dancing with the Stars named Let's Dance with Vanda Poláková as his partner.

Filmography

 * The Cuban Connection (1997) – Pablo
 * Managua (1997) – Chico
 * Rockaway (2007) – Juju
 * Puras Joyitas (2007) – SN
 * Mediterranean Blue (2012) – Andres
 * The Black Russian (2012) – Dominic

Discography

 * Tu deseo (2008)

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John Rojas Jr.

John Rojas Jr. (January 6, 1930 – January 22, 2000) was a Chula Vista, California resident who collected and disseminated information about the history of Chula Vista and its foliage. In 1981 he founded the Chula Vista Historical Society which later merged with the Chula Vista Heritage Museum. He wrote a series of books about Chula Vista.

Arrival in Chula Vista
John Rojas moved to Chula Vista, in 1960 while working as a petty officer in the United States Navy. Chula Vista is a suburb of San Diego California. Rojas began to study the local history. Rojas retired from the navy in 1972 and began his second career as a U.S. Postal Service worker until 1992. He became familiar with the streets of Chula Vista as a postman. He spent his spare time taking pictures of the homes, meeting people and studying the vegetation and trees in the area.

Founding of Chula Vista Historical Society
In 1981, Rojas founded the Chula Vista Historical Society, which later merged with the Chula Vista Heritage Museum.

In 1999, shortly before Rojas' death, the Chula Vista Library Board of Trustees, in recognition of the impact John Rojas had in preserving the history of Chula Vista, presented a resolution creating the John Rojas Local History Room at the Civic Center branch of the library, in order to preserve and makes available materials about the area's historic heritage.

Publications

 * "Trees of Chula Vista" ISBN 0-938711-37-7
 * "Chula Vista - Early Years" volumes 1-7
 * Editor, "Chula Vista Historical Society Bulletin" (1981 to 1991).
 * Chula Vista Public Art
 * co-author "Historic Chula Vista: Historic Homes and Other Historic Sites"
 * co-author "Historic Homes of Chula Vista."

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Talk:Mariska Hargitay

Possible Szekely heritage?
As a long-standing fan of Law & Order: SVU and someone who has had a long-standing fascination with the country of Romania, I have long wondered if Mariska Hargitay has Szekely heritage on her father's side. Her, father who is Mickey Hargitay, a Budapest-born Hungarian-American, obviously has the last name of Hargitay, which literally means "of Hargita". That 'Hargita' to which is being referred on that Wikipedia page, one can easily read (as of now, 12:52pm EST on 16 Nov 2019), is Hargita County. One can also read on the Wikipedia entry for that, that of all of Romania's 41 counties, it has the highest percentage/proportion of Hungarians of any part of Romania. They form the largest minority in Romania. There is a contiguous concentration of Szekelys in Romania called Székely Land, which is comprised of 2 & 1/2 counties all adjacent to each other, listed in degree of most highly Szekely-populated to least highly Szekely-populated - Hargita County, Covasna County, and Mures County. There is a real identity to Szekelys as they are ethno-linguistic and also rooted to a particular locale. There are only roughly half a million to three quarters of a million people who identify as Szekely. Over the last (nearly exactly) century, since Transylvania was ceded to Romania from the Austro-Hungarian Empire after World War I, while most Hungarians have left cities throughout other parts of Transylvania to go to Hungary, the Szekelys have stayed largely put in Szekely Land in Romania. This seems pretty significant to me.

Of course, I am not citing any sources external to Wikipedia, all I can say to any possible readers is to try to "assure good faith" on my part when I bring up the above and also state, truthfully, that neither I, nor anybody I know of (to my knowledge) had anything to do with putting this information up on Wikipedia. The reason I bring this up is that I have long wondered about any relevancy this might have to Hargitay and her life, as it has certainly been big and colorful, but also considerably tragic.

In the process of creating this edit, I checked articles relevant to the terms provided above, and was surprised not to find anything like a "List of famous Szekely" people. I am pretty sure that 4-time 1984 Olympic Champion Ekaterina Szabo is and that the famous wife (and coach and former national-team coordinator of the USA Women's National Gymnastics Team) of Bela Karolyi, Márta Károlyi is, based on her hometown of origin, as well as my having known 3 Szekely women in Toronto, at least one of whom also said she was.

Has anybody heard anything about Mariska Hargitay having asserted this as part of her heritage? I think it could make for a very interesting discussion, herein and/or elsewhere.

QuakerIlK (talk) 18:23, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Magdolna or Magdolina
you reverted some IP-edits that changed her middle name from Magdolina into Magdolna.

Why? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 15:02, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It appears that this IP edit introduced "Magdolina" in the infobox in July without a source. User:Jcuello80 (a user with 3 edits) changed her name in the lead 5 days later, still without a source. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 15:14, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Wait, the Encyclopedia of world biography ( https://www.notablebiographies.com/newsmakers2/2006-Ei-La/Hargitay-Mariska.html ) (which was the only linked source at the time) actually says "Magdolina". Well that's confusing, but now I added 6 sources that say otherwise. And notablebiographies.com appears to be on the Spam blacklist. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 16:03, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Found the reason: MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist/archives/April 2019. The notablebiographies.com link is also used as a source for several other facts:
 * "A few weeks later, Mansfield married the director Matt Cimber, who had directed her in a 1964 production of the William Inge play Bus Stop."
 * "After the death of their mother, the three siblings were raised by their father and his third wife, Ellen Siano."
 * "She left before completing her degree when she began her acting career."
 * These statements should get different sources. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 16:14, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

 * Magdolna is a Hungarian woman's name. There is a Wikipedia page for the name, listing half a dozen women (all apparently Hungarian).  And fwiw, the Hungarian Wikipedia article on Mariska Hargitay gives her second given name as Magdolna (not Magdolina).  —  Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 16:27, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You answered your answer here. If notablebiographies.com is unreliable, it should be removed altogether. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 19:33, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. I just wondered why you reverted edits that were actually correct. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 03:41, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Add ER cast member
She was a desk clerk on ER and dated Dr Green (Anthony Edwards) 2600:6C40:1E00:3A8E:9044:AF98:5947:EC8C (talk) 21:36, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

lazarus man
why is there no mention of her appearance in lazarud man episode 15 the angel maker? 24.186.7.12 (talk) 07:38, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Honorary Degree from CUNY John Jay College of Criminal Justice
In 2023, CUNY John Jay College of Criminal Justice awarded Hargitay with an honorary degree. 108.27.222.124 (talk) 14:34, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

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"Osgoode main street"?
The actual street name is fully capitalised. Should the photo caption say "Osgoode main street" (uncapitalised, indicates that this is the main street) or "Osgoode Main Street"? (the actual title of the street) LOOKSQUARE (talk) 17:20, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

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