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Hi Jfurr1981, good medical work there! Have you seen WikiProject Clinical medicine? You may want to join! Could I also ask you to stick to the general article outline mentioned on that page? This would be immensely helpful. Thanks. JFW | T@lk  07:28, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * At the moment we have a weekly collaborative article, which is multiple sclerosis. We recently worked on asthma and improved it to become a featured article. Please work on anything you like! You may wish to register your affinities on the WikiProject page, in case we need help with something. Enjoy! JFW | T@lk  17:09, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Rewrite
I would not refer to this as a "rewrite". JFW | T@lk  04:53, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Whether it matters... I do think it does. A rewrite is IMHO fairly drastic, and to completely rewrite a page there must be a fairly good reason (e.g. the old page was biased, incorrect or hopelessly phrased). If all you've been doing is expanding (and in a very good way too!) this is something rather different.

 * Talking about ITP, is it worth mentioning rituximab as a treatment used in refractory severe cases? JFW | T@lk  06:06, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Thrombocytopenia
For heparin-induced thrombocytopenia, I took the liberty of removing the references to quinine and other antibiotics, since the page discusses HIT specifically rather than thrombocytopenia in general (where they should be mentioned). Andrew73 19:54, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Template
Most medical articles follow the outline you suggested: starting with signs & symptoms, diagnostic approach, pathophysiology, then treatment and prognosis, epidemiology and finally historical context. Some articles do deviate from this, generally for good reasons. The template is here on the WikiProject page. JFW | T@lk  01:58, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
for the help with Circulatory system. Can you enlighten me; where is the roll back-function hidden? --Ekko 05:21, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Perfect sense! :-) --Ekko 06:57, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Seattle University Law School
Hey, I removed this page from your CSD. While it is a substub, it does have coherent context that leads to expansion. At this point it could be argued that it should be made into a redirect but I think for now it should stand. You could try it out on AfD if you'd like but usually schools fail there. Does that sound okay? gren グレン 01:08, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the congrats :) gren グレン 01:35, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Acute Promyelocytic Leukemia
My changes were reverted? There are a lot of things factually incorrect that I changed. For one promyelocytes are not precursors of either red cells or megakaryocytes.

Also, promyelocytic leukemia is not defined by the PML-RARa translocation, it is defined either morphologically or by just the RARa component as there are several decribed fusion partners. Guymd 05:12, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Neuroanatomical articles
Jfurr--I'm curious as to why you removed the categories "CNS" and "anatomy" from arcuate fasciculus and basal dendrite, and category "anatomy" from basal ganglia. The first two are most certainly located exclusively within the CNS. All three are certainly anatomical features, though I can see and argument for removing this designation from basal dendrite. semiconscious ( talk  ·  home) 00:12, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Your methodology sounds very reasonable, especially if the more-specific subcategory (e.g., "brain") exits within a supercategory (e.g., "CNS). Thanks for clearing that up! semiconscious  ( talk  ·  home) 10:17, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Aarskog sryndrome
Your new article Aarskog sryndrome is under a spelling error and Aarskog syndrome already exists. Just thought I'd let you know, I rather think a merge is called for. MeltBanana 02:12, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Medical analysis of circumcision
I admire your boldness in taking on this article. It certainly needs attention. Unfortunately, it's a highly controversial subject, and so it's hard to change without upsetting people.

I've moved a couple of sections that you placed in the wrong section, by the way. Jakew 13:07, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

In my opinion the introduction of the article also needs work. The introduction used to say, "Currently neonatal circumcision is not considered medically necessary according to professional medical organizations in Australia, Canada, the United Kingdom, and the United States. In their view the potential medical benefits of neonatal circumcision (including a lower rate of urinary tract infection in infants, a lower rate of penile cancer in adults, and a lower rate of infection of some sexually transmitted diseases, particularly HIV) do not significantly outweigh the potential medical risks (including bleeding, infection, surgical mishap, and rarely death)." In my opinion that introduction accurately and fairly summarizes a broad consensus that now exists in the medical community regarding the medical analysis of circumcision.

Also I think the order of the possible benefits of circumcision should be changed. No professional medical organization even mentions prostate cancer in relation to circumcision, yet it is the first possible benefit discussed in the article. The section on prostate cancer should be at the end of the possible benefits section if it is included in the article at all. -- DanBlackham 07:20, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

In your re-write, I believe that these two sentences need to be brought into harmony: It is believed that these are complications, as they are seen more often in circumcised boys. However, this may be because it is impossible to diagnose the condition in uncircumcised boys. If the conditions are truly impossible to diagnose in uncircumcised boys, then all cases will be seen in circumcised boys, not merely more often. RussellKent 23:30, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Links in section headers
Hey, I appreciate all the linking you are doing, but the Manual of Style (headings) explicitly states that one should "Avoid links within headers. Depending on settings, some users may not see them clearly. It is much better to put the appropriate link in the first sentence under the header." Perhaps you should switch those headers back. Cheers. Jayjg (talk) 18:26, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Disambiguation link repair heads up
I noticed you had done some DAB stuff on Native America, and I noticed a few pages that you fixed on link but left others. With Native American especially if it is linked to once on a page it is likley to get linked again (And some times with the phrase Indian or natives displaying. I just thought I would give you a heads up to look out for those. Dalf | Talk 11:49, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

cleanup taskforce
Looks like H5N1 has been getting a lot of work. You can close out the Task force entry on both the articles if they look done to you. Thanks for working on these. RJFJR 17:08, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Neuroscience
Jfurr: I'm trying to revive the temporarily defunct WikiProject Neuroscience. Because of your past edits on neuroscience related articles in the past, I thought I'd let you know. Cheers. :) Semiconscious ( talk  ·  home) 06:39, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Neuroscience
Hey Jfurr: I'm reviving the WikiProject Neuroscience and thought you might care to join us over there when you have the time. Semiconscious ( talk  ·  home) 09:10, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Human brain
About Human brain, I suggest that you just dive in and be bold. It would be nice to have a less technical introduction. --JWSchmidt 20:03, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup taskforce
The article Biofeedback has been added to your desk. Please let me know if would like to decline the article. RJFJR 22:13, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Connecting tubule
Hello. I noticed that you are a participant in the WikiProject Preclinical Medicine. The article Connecting tubule has been nominated for deletion. As this is an anatomical subject I was hoping to get somebody within the project to adopt the article for expansion. I could find no way to add the article to this project. I hope you or your fellow particpants would consider adopting this article to love. James084 22:03, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

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Menorrhagia
You have provided an addition footnote in the references section, but not linked it anywhere in the article, using - could you amend this please. Also the edit re menorrhagia being at regular intervals - I presume this is that menorrhagia occurs with regular menstrual intervals, rather than that all periods are habitually heavy. Is 'hypermenorrhea' then heavy irregular periods, or regular periods that occationally are heavy. ie is the 'regular' to the 'heaviness' or to the menstrual cycle predictability each 28 days ? David Ruben Talk 22:39, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

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Chronic granulomatous disease
Good work. I've added the article here for others to review it, and made a couple of comments on the Talk:Chronic granulomatous disease page. --apers0n 15:24, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

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Human fertilization addition
Hi Jfurr1981, My name's Paul and I was wondering if you wouldn't mind taking a look at a recent addition I made to the article on Human fertilization that you created. I added sub-bullets briefly describing nuclear fusion, which i learned from the best textbok on physiology that I have personally seen, the last reference cited at the bottom of the page Elaine Marieb. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Plynch22 00:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

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There has previously been some resistance against translation into certain languages with strong Wikipedia presence, such as Dutch, Polish, and Swedish. What was found is that thre is hardly any negative opinion about the the project itself; and any such critique has focused on the ways that articles have being integrated. For an article to be usefully translated into a target-Wiki it needs to be properly Wiki-linked, carry proper citations and use the formatting of the chosen target language as well as being properly proof-read. Certain large Wikis such as the Polish and Dutch Wikis have strong traditions of medical content, with their own editorial system, own templates and different ideas about what constitutes a good medical article. For example, there are not MEDRS (Polish,German,Romanian,Persian) guidelines present on other Wikis, and some Wikis have a stronger background of country-specific content.
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Missing Wikipedians
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Arm bone listed at Redirects for discussion
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Talk:Nemzeti dal

Translation comments
I just got around to thinking we needed this page! Kudos to the translator but I feel like the version here misses out on a lot due to the lack of rhyming and emphasis... I do have a version that does not have copyrite issues on it that takes care of this, would anyone have a particular preference? (Quick example, the refrain in this version is "to the God of the Magyar we swear to thee, we swear to thee, that slaves we shall no longer be.") Just a thought. Andromeda321 00:28, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm really opposed to rhyming or lyrical translations of poetry. A translation is a translation, and a poem is a poem. If you translate something and force it into a rhyming scheme, then you not only are adding your own ingenuity and creativity to the piece, making it not entirely the author's, and also you almost always have to change words and sentences in order to force them to fit. A good example of this is the (in my opinion) absolutely atrocious translation to be found of the Himnusz: "With Thine aid his just cause press / Where his foes to fight appear." I dunno; I'm certainly not the voice of consensus on this one, but if we do add another translation, I would suggest leaving this one in as well. Korossyl 20:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree with need of having "translation of meaning" for poem like this - it still does not mean it needs a word-by-word translation. It needs translation that transfers meaning as precisely as possible.

I would be even more happy (and I believe it is valid for any non-Magyar readers of this translation) if there are additional explaining comments to specific phrases selected in poems - it could seem to be a bit speculative, on the other hand it is a common practice when translating e.g. ancient works where many comments about context possibly unknown to readers are usually added (and often they take more space than the translated text itself ;) The reason is, it is wise to expect reader is not knowing the context - an I believe in an encyclopedia it makes even more sense. For example I do not understand meaning of "magyarok istenere" translated as "Hungarian God" - I have a vague notion of why God is attributed to Hungarians here, what god does author mention here (Christian or a hungariang mythological god?) and why the first letter was capitalized. Also I do not understand, why "magyarok" is translated to "Hungarian" here, if in first verse word "Magyar" is translated to "Magyar"?

"Rhyming and emphasis" can be found in the original version that is available for readed. If a rhyming translation will be added, then please put it there only as an additional information and do not remove the exact meaning translation. (Eltwarg (talk) 08:35, 4 June 2010 (UTC))

Rhyming Translation
There is at least one good rhyming translation of the first verse: "Magyars rise! Your country calls you!  Meet this hour, what'er befalls you.  Shall we free men be, or slaves?  Choose the lot your spirit craves!" I do not know whom to credit with this translation, but this is a fair use excerpt.

Retitle to Nemzeti dal
I'm quite sure the real title of the poem is "Nemzeti dal", so the current title "Nemzeti Dal" is wrong. However, the title is also mentioned a few times in the article, which is making me uncertain. Could anyone please either confirm which title is correct? If there's no answer in some time, I'll fix the title in the text and move the article. – b_jonas 21:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

No no; you're absolutely right. I just got carried away with American naming conventions, and having written the article, repeated the mistake throughout. Thanks for noticing! Korossyl 14:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I think I'll edit it and then move. – b_jonas 17:20, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Where the poem "Nemzeti dal" was first read to the public
The author of the article says : "Petőfi read the poem aloud on March 15 in Vörösmarty Square in Budapest to a gathering crowd, which by the end was chanting the refrain as they began to march around the city, seizing the presses, liberating political prisoners, and declaring the end of Austrian rule." There are two problems with this sentence.

The first is, that Vörösmarty tér was not existing in 1848 at all. There was a square more and less at the same location called Színház tér (Theater Platz), but it was definitely not the same as the present one. The present sqare had gradually been built during the second half of the 19th century and it became the same as we know it today only by 1870 (with the completion of the so-called Haas-building, which was demolished during WW2). The square was then named "Gizella tér" (named after the elder daughter of Emperor Franz Josef the 1st). In 1908 the statue of the Hungarian poet Vörösmarty Mihály was erected in the middle of the square and in 1925 the whole square was renamed after him.

The second problem is, that according to all Hungarian history books, stories, etc. and also common knowledge the poem was first read by Petőfi on the stairs of the National Museum to the crowd gathering in the garden of the building. This legend, however, has never been proven by reliable historical sources, but as kind of a canonized legend it is known even by children and the act is repeated every year at the same place during the official celebrations on March 15 (the coreography of the event changes year by year, but a common point is, that Nemzeti dal is read from the stairs). Historians sometimes doubt whether the poem was read to the public at all, some for example sais that it was only performed by Cafe Pilvax, where Petőfi and friends (the so-called "Márciusi ifjak", meaning March Youth) were gathering during the morning of March 15, 1848. But in case it had been read at all, this should probably have been occured somewhere else than at the then Tehater Platz as the crowd gathered at the National Museum and if they later crossed Theater Platz (going to the Buda Castle to meet the Resident Council or "Helytartótanács" in Hungarian, and to free another poet and national hero, Táncsics Mihály) at all, they probably did not stop there at all, as there was no point to do so.

All in all I suggest to change the sentence in the article as follows (certainly, my English may be brushed without any prior consent:-) : "According to the legend Petőfi read the poem aloud on March 15, 1848 from the stairs of the National Museum to a gathering crowd...." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Selmeczig (talk • contribs) 20:48, 18 February 2007 (UTC).

Translation Errors
You cannot swear "on" God, you can only swear "to" God in English. I've changed the translation with a reference to the original source. This preserves the quote, but corrects the translation. It is a common method used in scholarly works to preserve the original quote, but correct the translation. (Taivo (talk) 03:59, 24 February 2009 (UTC)) I just double checked Országh's big two-volume Magyar-Angol Szótár (pg. 534) for backup and esküzik valamire is "swear on/by", but in the examples he also lists "swear to" in the sense of swear to the truth of something. In the examples, "swear on" is only used of things, but "swear by" is only used of people. So according to the standard magyar-angol dictionary, the translation should be "swear by", not "swear on". In English, this is also the case, you do not swear on people, but only on nonhuman objects. (Taivo (talk) 04:10, 24 February 2009 (UTC)) The Magay/Országh magyar angol kéziszótár is even more explicit: esküszik vmre "swear on", vkre "swear by". (Taivo (talk) 04:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC))

Is there a special reason for translating Magyar to Magyar?

Why there is word "Magyar" in the first verse translated as "Magyar", while "magyarok" is translated to "Hungarian"?

Can anybody make clear for non-Magyar (or non-Hungarian) if there is a distinction between meaning of these two words for Magyars (Hungarians?) themselves? (Eltwarg (talk) 07:47, 4 June 2010 (UTC))

 * I changed "Magyar" to "Hungarian". There is no distinction between Magyar and Magyarok other than singular and plural.  All changes in the translation should be discussed here on the Talk Page first, as this one was.  --Taivo (talk) 16:00, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Changing Translation
Hello all,

I've already addressed this issue in the past with Taivo, and another analogous discussion can be found at Talk:Himnusz. Yes, translations are changed in academia; no, wikipedia is not academia. I wish the issue at hand was just something petty like my pride, so I could get over it and we'd all be happy. However, that particular translation is found online -- here -- and is therefore "set in stone," as it were. It reflects the specific stylistic choices and linguistic opinions of the translator. That happens to be me in this case, but the consequence would be the same with anyone: it cannot be changed and remain attributable to the translator, and it cannot be un-attributed without being WP:OR. And I've seen plenty of good translations, even of single sentences, yanked for just that reason. So, here it is: the translation remains as it is, or it gets removed entirely. Attributed quotes do not fall into the public domain, like the rest of Wikipedia does, and can be removed at the author's discretion. To get another translation online, it NEEDS to be attributed to someone else, and then again, it can't be changed. There's a crappy rhyming one floating about someplace, use that if you wish. Good luck, everyone.

Korossyl (talk) 20:59, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Copyright?
Isn't it: Translated by: KŐRÖSSY LÁSZLÓ a WP:COPYVIO copyright violation ;)? Is this gentleman a Wikipedian who agreed to it? Zezen (talk) 00:29, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * This article was originally written by the translator. The last time anyone looked at it was several years ago and the translator's website no longer exists as far as I can tell (at least the link no longer works).  But this isn't really any different than hundreds of different translations found throughout Wikipedia as long as it is properly attributed (which this one is).  --Taivo (talk) 00:39, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. Then :

1. His name should be removed. We do not edit WP under our RL personas and we give our copyright to Wikipedia and the world, in short.

2. The outdated non-RS link should be removed, to prevent further copyvio questions.

I am not nit-picking here, but speaking from experience - my edits and drafts got removed for one copy-pasted sentence, with right attribution, by ANI admins. Zezen (talk) 00:52, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I think I got it fixed. Thanks for the input--it's been four years since I last visited this page.  --Taivo (talk) 03:11, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

The site's around, it just got moved to http://laszlokorossy.com/magyar/nemzetidal.html. This particular translation was also recently used in a published work of fiction, Under Budapest, by Ailsa Kay. I still don't see how changing the translation is acceptable -- the reason I still have that site online is precisely so that the translation wouls not seem to be OR, which is not acceptable -- the attribution must remain to be compliant with Wiki policies, as far as I can tell. See the comments above, for the first time we addressed this in 2010 (also at Himnusz, I believe). It's fine that you think that the translation should be different or better (and you may be correct) -- but either the translation remain in its published form, or it needs to be removed entirely. I don't see how a middle ground can be acceptable under Wiki policies. Korossyl (talk) 16:38, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Furthermore, it is true that most edits to Wikipedia pages fall under Wiki's public domain policies -- anything contributed forgoes copyright. This does not, however, include cited quites from other sources. That I was both the original author (translator) and the editor doesn't make any difference. By placing this (and two other) translations on Wikipedia AND citing them, I simply assented to their use on Wiki, not to their modification -- the same as any other cited source. Korossyl (talk) 16:48, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I have no problem leaving the translation as it has been for the last four years, just correcting the website address and removing the "more pleasing" nonsense in the footnote link to the other translation. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."  --Taivo (talk) 19:07, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I was curious if there were other translations out there that might avoid WP:COPYVIO and WP:COI, but found only two English translations out there--Wikipedia's and the rhyming one (which I think is a fairly bad translation). I didn't find any others.  --Taivo (talk) 19:16, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I forgot, there is a third one, but it is also "unsatisfactory" and rhymes: "On your feet now, Hungary calls you! / Now is the moment, nothing stalls you,"  Yuck.  --Taivo (talk) 19:19, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

@Korossyl:

a. Ta for the translation! B. Re "simply assented to their use on Wiki, not to their modification -" sorry but you did agree to its modification thereby. Read the wiki copyright terms and wp:own. C. The other translation: yuck indeed ;). Zezen (talk) 22:57, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Zezen: thanks! I'm truly not trying to be an ass here, but WP:OWN applies to regular edits, not to citing sourced material -- which this is. That I happen to be both the editor and the author of the source material is, in this case, irrelevant, because I am not trying to claim any protection for any of my edits -- just the quoted material. Korossyl (talk) 01:51, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Taivo: Thanks, and thanks for removing the "more pleasing" comment -- obviously, I didn't write that, but I didn't want to make it seem like I was protecting my POV by deleting it. It really is atrocious -- "our grandchildren will cuddle," and all that. Korossyl (talk) 02:16, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

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Chinese Immigration Act, 1885

The Chinese Immigration Act, 1885 was an act of the Parliament of Canada that placed a head tax of $50 on all Chinese immigrants entering Canada. It was based on the recommendations of the Royal Commission on Chinese Immigration, which were published in 1885.

It was granted royal assent on 20 July 1885, and followed the U.S. Chinese Exclusion Act, which was passed in 1882.

History
In the early 1880s, during the construction of the Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR), as many as 17,000 Chinese immigrants came to Canada to work as labourers. Many individuals arrived from China, but others came from American states that included Washington, Oregon, and California, following their work on railroads and in mining camps. The arrival of the Chinese in Canada was partially the result of a demand for cheap labour in the West. Major labour shortages in British Columbia threatened the economic viability of Canada. Thus, as a way to bring the West economic efficiency, Chinese immigration was encouraged in the early 1880s. Furthermore, the CPR was formed to physically unite Canada, and industrialists desired cheap labour to complete its construction. Founded in 1881, the CPR was completed on 7 November 1885, "six years ahead of schedule, when the last spike was driven at Craigellachie, B.C." Following its completion, the demand for Chinese immigration decreased significantly.

Immigration to Canada also resulted from troubling political and social circumstances in China. Over 44,000 immigrants arrived in Canada between 1858 and 1923, most of whom were "male, relatively uneducated, and unskilled." Most Chinese immigrants during this period resided in the province of British Columbia, particularly in the cities of New Westminster and Victoria. In addition to their work on the CPR, early immigrants were employed in occupations that included mining, forestry, and fishing.

Although initially welcome in Canada, an increasing fear that immigrants would take jobs from Canadians, as well as a fear of Chinese people in general, resulted in the ostracization of the Chinese community and calls for immigration reform. They were also said to be "subject to loathsome diseases and demoralising habits" and considered to be an "unassimilable people." As a result of the public's distrust of Chinese immigrants, the province of British Columbia reconsidered their legal status between the years 1872 and 1885. In 1884, for example, British Columbia's Legislature attempted to "prevent their immigration, to impose an annual poll tax of $10, and to forbid their acquisition of Crown Lands."

Royal commission
Dissatisfaction with Chinese immigration grew, and in 1885, a royal commission was appointed to obtain proof that restricting Chinese immigration would be in the best interests of the country. Prime Minister John A. Macdonald originally refused to introduce prohibitive measures, but eventually yielded and appointed the commission. The Royal Commission on Chinese Immigration in 1885 interviewed hundreds of people with the goal of understanding the majority's view on Chinese immigration.

The commission was led by Joseph-Adolphe Chapleau and John Hamilton Gray, who gathered testimony regarding Chinese immigration at public hearings across British Columbia and compared these testimonies to those gathered on the Pacific Coast of the United States. The testimonies of 51 people were submitted. Only two Chinese witnesses were consulted: two officials from the Chinese Consulate in San Francisco. Multiple viewpoints were reported, including some in favour of Chinese immigration on an economic efficiency scale. However, the overall consensus on the state of Chinese immigration was a vocalized demand for its restriction. Claims against the Chinese were slanderous and were found to have little evidence behind them. Despite this, the commission recommended a moderate legislation against Chinese immigration and proposed a $10 head tax.

Implementation
The act was enacted as a result of the findings of the commission. The act imposed a $50 head tax on Chinese immigrants, with the exceptions of diplomats, government representatives, tourists, merchants, scientists, and students. The imposed duty of $50 was a significant increase from the $10 duty recommended by the royal commission.

This piece of legislation became the first in Canada's history to exclude immigrants on the basis of their ethnic origin. It also defined "Chinese Immigrant" in section one as "The expression 'Chinese Immigrant' means any person of Chinese origin entering Canada and not entitled to the privilege of exemption provided for by section four of this Act." Furthermore, vessels that were transporting Chinese immigrants were permitted to only carry one Chinese immigrant per fifty tonnes of the ship's weight. This law also prevented any Chinese immigrant who suffered from a contagious disease, such as leprosy, or any Chinese woman who was known to have been a prostitute. Therefore, the act limited the number of Chinese immigrants to the extent that a 300-ton ship could only carry six Chinese immigrants to Canada.

The act was amended in 1887 to allow Chinese women who were married to non-Chinese men to enter Canada, as well as Chinese passing through Canada via the railway. An additional amendment in 1892 required Chinese residents of Canada who wished to temporarily leave the country to register with an immigration official prior to their departure.

In 1900, the head tax was raised to $100 by Prime Minister Wilfrid Laurier, due to a still growing influx of Chinese immigrants. In 1903, this was further raised to $500, "An equivalent of two year’s wages for a Chinese labourer." Companies in short supply of cheap labour would often advance this money to bring Chinese immigrants to Canada.

The act was eventually superseded in 1923 by the Chinese Immigration Act, 1923, also known as the "Chinese Exclusion Act", which banned Chinese immigration entirely.

Aftermath and legacy
Following the implementation of the act, prejudice against the Chinese grew across Canada. During the 1890s, for example, labour organizers in cities that included Quebec City, Montreal, and Toronto objected to Chinese immigration. Numerous riots occurred across the country to protest the presence of Chinese people in economic and social settings. In 1887, a riot occurred in Vancouver in protest of Chinese land clearing crews. In 1907, another riot occurred in Vancouver in which participants protested all Chinese immigration. Numerous Canadian provinces disenfranchised the Chinese or placed heavy restrictions on them in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. The province of Saskatchewan disenfranchised them in 1908. The province of British Columbia placed various restrictions on them, including "Natal Acts," which incorporated a language test that was created to prevent the immigration of Chinese people to the province. Thus, the act contributed to anti-Chinese sentiment across Canada.

Although the Chinese Immigration Act, 1923 was repealed in 1947, restrictions remained in place during the 1950s and 1960s. For example, immigration remained limited to the wives of Chinese Canadian citizens and their unmarried children under the age of eighteen. Several notable Canadian politicians protested these policies. These included John Diefenbaker, a member of the Progressive Conservative party who was very supportive of human rights, and Stanley Knowles, a member of the CCF who protested the unequal treatment of the Chinese. As a result of protest against strict immigration regulations, during the late 1960s, the Canadian government altered their policies to include immigrants who were admitted to the country based on "their skills and the capital they had for investment" as opposed to their "family relationships."

In the 1980s, voices for redress emerged in the Chinese-Canadian community. Organizations that strove for promoting the rights of all individuals, particularly those of Chinese Canadians, encouraged their full and equal participation in Canadian society.

In the 1980s, the Chinese Canadian National Council, or CCNC, began to collect head tax certificates, and in 1984 "the CCNC presented the government with a list of names of 2,300 surviving Chinese who had each paid a head tax." A subsequent survey by the CCNC "found that of the 867 respondents who completed the questionnaire, forty-six percent were in favor of an official apology and a symbolic redress to the individual victims, while thirty-eight percent also supported some form of community redress." In 1990, the CCNC successfully lobbied for political endorsement for a redress. By 1993, a redress proposal was submitted to the representatives of five groups, including Chinese Canadians. At this time, the redress only offered an omnibus apology. The offer was rejected by the Chinese Canadian groups, and no resolutions were made that federal term.

As a result of the act and its imposed head tax, a redress, with apologies and compensations, took place only officially in 2006. After the election of the minority Conservative government in 2006, Stephen Harper affirmed his position on Chinese immigration: "Chinese Canadians are making an extraordinary impact on the building of our country. They've also made a significant historical contribution despite many obstacles. That's why, as I said during the election campaign, the Chinese Canadian community deserves an apology for the head tax and appropriate acknowledgement and redress."Effective 29 August 2006, Canada's redress program combined "payments to individual head tax payers, (or, if the payer is deceased, to their spouse) with funding for educative and commemorative programs."

Significance
The act was tremendously important as a result of it being the first of its kind in Canada's history and subsequently laying down the foundations for future exclusionary policies and acts. The act laid down the legal framework for head taxes, which were later refined even more harshly. As such, immigration from China was greatly reduced until the 1940s.

The aim of establishing a "white" society for Canada, as Kenneth Munro explains, "such discrimination flew in the face of that crucial premise of Canadian nationhood, namely, respect for diversity of culture and traditions."

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Kevin Schmidt

Kevin Gerard Schmidt (born August 16, 1988) is an American actor, known best for his role as Henry Baker in Cheaper by the Dozen and Cheaper by the Dozen 2 and as Noah Newman in The Young and the Restless. Schmidt also played Ryan in Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel and starred on Cartoon Network's first live-action scripted television series, Unnatural History. Schmidt also co-created, starred in, produced, and directed a cult web-series, Poor Paul. Schmidt continues to write, direct, and act, and also served as president of the Conscious Human Initiative, a non-profit organization that sought to reduce malnutrition worldwide.

Life and career
Schmidt was born in Andover, Kansas. His brother is musician and actor Kendall Schmidt.

At first, Schmidt did not plan to work in the entertainment industry. As a football player and a student, Schmidt was uninterested in acting but was persuaded to start auditioning after his two brothers, Kenneth and Kendall, found success as actors in Los Angeles, California. Schmidt was ten years old when he began to book a string of guest-starring roles and appeared on a number of prime time television shows including NCIS, Bones, Without a Trace, CSI: NY, Curb Your Enthusiasm and Monk. Schmidt also found success on the big screen. In addition to his role in Cheaper by the Dozen and its sequel, Schmidt co-starred with Ashton Kutcher in The Butterfly Effect and Kristen Stewart in Catch That Kid. Schmidt transitioned to leading roles, starring in Resurrection Mary and Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel.

Having undergone his own personal weight loss at age 17, Schmidt shared what he had learned about fitness and health on his screenwriting and directorial debut project entitled The Alyson Stoner Project. Teaming up with friend and Cheaper by the Dozen co-star Alyson Stoner, the pair produced an instructional musical and fitness hybrid that uses the latest dance moves as a method of exercise. The project was intended to teach children the importance of fitness, nutrition, and making good lifestyle choices.

In addition, Schmidt is in production on The Great Migration, an animated film which he wrote; he is producing the film alongside Rob Minkhoff, director of the Disney film The Lion King. The film stars his younger brother, Kendall, along with Logan Henderson, Ashley Tisdale, Vanessa Hudgens, and Ashley Benson.

Schmidt is an advocate for sustainable farming methods such as aquaponics and hopes to aid in ending malnutrition and obesity worldwide.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vermont Group

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Neutralitytalk 13:56, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Vermont Group
This is a non-notable group of Diplomacy (game) players. It has only 107 unique Google results in English. The founder's article is listed below. -- Kjkolb 00:28, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom.    Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk   05:06, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, although we don't have a guideline to help us decide on including groups of Diplomacy players. Someone should go write one right away.  Jkelly 06:59, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 06:52, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete online board-gaming group. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 10:22, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - nn CLW 11:06, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - nn. Dottore So 20:56, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. This group is worldwide and is one of the most significant groups in the Diplomacy (game) hobby, but by WP's standards it's just another online game-related group, and doesn't have Google or Alexa evidence of notability.  If I used the arguments of some AfD voters, the WP:Importance criterion "is of interest to a community" would garner this article my "Keep" vote.  Barno 21:00, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Good point, and that raises the question of whether the community is itself of note then, and deserving of an independent, encyclopedic article (which in this case I don't think is the case). Dottore So 23:04, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The Diplomacy community definitely is notable and article-worthy. First play-by-mail historical game, first game hobby to spawn hundreds of fanzines published nationally and internationally, championships in nearly twenty nations, a long-established world championship convention (not just an online tourney calling itself "world championship"), organizations that provide real functions and not just chat forums, coverage in mainstream media, and so forth.  Favorite game of Walter Cronkite, John F. Kennedy, and Henry Kissinger, although that might not be so notable a point.  It's far more notable than most of the MMORPGs whose adherents think they should have their clans and forums and hacker-groups listed in WP.  Barno 17:37, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Very interesting. I think I would include all that in the Diplomacy (game) article, though, instead of a separate Diplomacy Community article.  That's just my preference though. I certainly am in total agreement concerning your sentiments about the plethora of insignficant MMORPGs. Dottore So 12:15, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Comment. I'd suggest that the Diplomacy (game) article wouldn't be hurt by adding some information to it.  I notice that it is completely unreferenced at the moment and contains inline external links.  Jkelly 03:44, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Agree with Jkelly. -- Kjkolb 04:33, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
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Chester–Birkenhead line

The Chester–Birkenhead line runs from Chester to Birkenhead via Hooton. Today, it forms part of the Wirral Line network, a commuter rail system operated by Merseyrail. The line was built by the Chester and Birkenhead Railway and opened on 23 September 1840. On 22 July 1847 the railway merged with the Birkenhead, Lancashire and Cheshire Junction Railway which was later renamed to Birkenhead Railway.

Early proposals
The directors of the Grand Junction Railway had originally intended to reach Birkenhead, as a means of connecting to the docks on the River Mersey that was cheaper than getting directly to Liverpool, which would have involved an expensive crossing of the Mersey. The schemes to do so were turned down by Parliament, and the Grand Junction settled for connecting to the Liverpool and Manchester Railway via the Warrington and Newton Railway at Earlestown instead. That was achieved in 1837.

Construction

In 1836 two schemes for a railway from Chester to Birkenhead gained support, and they went to the 1837 session of Parliament. The Chester and Birkenhead Railway would run from a junction with the Chester–Crewe line (as yet unbuilt) at Chester and would serve the several ferry terminals in Birkenhead, and it survived the parliamentary process.

The Chester and Birkenhead Railway was authorised on 12 July 1837, with capital of £250,000. It was to be a single line; no intermediate stations had been planned at this stage. George Stephenson was the engineer.

The line was built as a single line with structures made suitable for later doubling of the line. The track gauge was to be 4 ft, in common with the Crewe line. By the end of 1843 Stephenson' estimate of £250,000 was obviously going to be inadequate: the new estimate was now £512,973.

A directors' inspection train ran over the line on 10 September 1840 and the official opening took place on 22 September 1840. In the morning a staff and contractors' train made the round trip from Birkenhead to Chester; there were no passing places and no electric telegraph, so the official party of honoured guests had to wait at Birkenhead with no knowledge of whether the other train was returning on time. The ordinary public service started the next day, 23 September, with five passenger trains each way daily, three on Sundays. From 15 December some passing loops had been installed, and the train service frequency could be improved, to two-hourly.

First years until amalgamation
The Chester and Birkenhead Railway had assumed friendly relations with the Chester and Crewe Railway (C&CR), and it depended on the C&CR for access to the railway network. During the construction phase of the C&CR it simply ran out of money, and on 1 July 1840 it was taken over by the Grand Junction Railway. The GJR was in close partnership with the Liverpool and Manchester Railway, and were discouraged from collaborating with the Chester and Birkenhead, which the L&MR regarded as a competitor, so this was a serious setback; a number of collaborative schemes at Chester between the two companies were now unlikely to be possible. Each company would have its own station at Chester, although there would be a connecting line by-passing both. After the Chester–Crewe line was opened on 1 October 1840, the GJR train times at Chester were contrived to avoid any convenient change of trains to the C&BR, and this went as far as the Irish mails having to be carried across the street in Chester from one station to the other, even though there was a through track.

In the first year the company did not do well financially; this was partly due to very large interest payments on loans and ferry terminal rental, and disappointing income. The share price fell, and the company had to engage in some financial manipulation to generate necessary cash. It was obvious that large scale railways were going to be successful, and a merger of the Chester and Birkenhead Railway with the Chester and Holyhead Railway was proposed. The share transfer would have valued the Chester and Birkenhead Company at £496,762. This was less than the line had cost to construct, and other events drew the disparity to the attention of shareholders, so that the deal was suddenly rejected on 30 March 1845. and several board members resigned. Instead, the company was taken over by the Birkenhead, Lancashire and Cheshire Junction Railway in 1847.

Extensions in Birkenhead
The directors of the line were heavily involved with ferries at Birkenhead, and much energy was expended now in trying to get control of existing ferry companies, and securing the best railway access to the ferry terminals. The original Grange Lane terminus at Birkenhead had to be equidistant from the three ferry piers.

In October 1843 a contract was let to make a line in tunnel, diverging from just south of the terminus to the Monks Ferry, It opened to passenger trains on 23 October 1844, and the Grange Lane terminus closed to passengers the same day, being developed later as a mineral depot.

During the early history of the line extensive enlargement of the docks at Birkenhead was now being planned, and as there was crossover in directorships between the railway and maritime interests, the Chester and Birkenhead Railway proposed an extension, which became known as the Docks Extension Line, to a locality known as Bridge End. The necessary Act for the work received the Royal Assent on 21 July 1845. The line was about a mile long, and was disproportionately expensive as it ran in newly developed residential areas required extensive bridging and retaining wall construction.

The docks extension opened on 5 April 1847. Because of the considerable extra traffic expected, double track was laid on the main line, and was completed in the same year.

Ferry arrangements which had seemed satisfactory in the earlier years were now seen to be commercially adverse, and the diversion of Chester to Liverpool passengers via Runcorn unsettled the Birkenhead commissioners. Following their pressure, an extension of the line to a new Woodside station in Birkenhead with direct access to the Woodside ferry was opened on 31 March 1878. The half mile line was known as the Birkenhead New Line; it was mostly in tunnel and deep cutting. The Monks Ferry branch (and the ferry itself) were closed on the next day, but the branch was later reopened to serve private sidings on it.

Upgrading
The line was seriously congested and it was decided to quadruple the tracks from Ledsham Junction to Birkenhead. This was completed in the period 1902 to 1908. Today the line has two tracks only.

The ordinary through trains from Birkenhead to London ceased on 5 March 1967, and on 4 November 1967 Birkenhead Woodside station was closed, the line being cut back to Rock Ferry for change to the Mersey Railway route.

From 1972 there were plans to extend the Merseyrail system, which was electrified in the central area, to Chester. Provision of funding and decision making took several years, but on 30 September 1985 electric operation took place from Rock Ferry to Hooton. This was extended to run between the Liverpool Loop and Chester on 4 October 1993.

Services
Services are operated by Merseyrail as part of the Wirral Line network with trains running every 15 minutes between Birkenhead and Chester. Additionally trains run between Birkenhead and Hooton every 30 minutes and continue to Ellesmere Port on the Hooton–Helsby line.

Station list

 * Birkenhead Woodside; opened 31 March 1878; closed 5 November 1967;
 * Birkenhead; original terminus at Grange Lane; opened 23 September 1840; closed 23 October 1844;
 * Monks Ferry; on spur off original line; opened 23 October 1844; closed 31 March 1878;
 * Birkenhead Town; opened 1 January 1889; closed 7 May 1945;
 * Lime Kiln Lane; opened 30 May 1846; renamed Tranmere 1853; closed October 1857;
 * Rock Ferry; opened 1 November 1862; still open; convergence of line from Mersey Tunnel;
 * Rock Lane; opened 30 May 1846; closed 1 November 1862;
 * Bebington; opened 23 September 1840; still open;
 * Port Sunlight; opened 1 May 1914 for workmen; opened to public 9 May 1927; still open;
 * Spital; opened June 1846; still open;
 * Bromborough Rake; opened 30 September 1985; still open;
 * Bromborough; opened June 1846; still open;
 * Eastham Rake; opened 3 April 1995; still open;
 * Hooton; opened October or November 1840; still open;
 * Sutton; opened 23 September 1840; renamed Ledsham 1863; closed 20 July 1959;
 * Capenhurst; opened 1 August 1879; still open;
 * Mollington; opened late 1840; closed 7 March 1960;
 * Upton-by-Chester; opened 17 July 1939; closed 9 January 1984;
 * Bache; opened 9 January 1984; still open;
 * Chester; original terminus of Chester and Birkenhead Railway; opened 23 September 1840; closed 1 August 1848;
 * Chester; joint station; opened 1 August 1848; still open;

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Welcome Consumer
Another non notable webcomic with an alexa rank of almost 4 million which can be found here. The article was written by a user named Urabob, which just happens to the author's alias on their sub 50 member forum, here. The articles for the authors are listed below. - Hahnchen 00:28, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:West Seattle Bridge

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I'm not sure of the actual length of the bridge; if someone could determine this and update the article accordingly it would be appreciated. BurntSky 00:29, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I know it's been almost six years, but I managed to find a source from the city itself giving the length of the bridge as 2607 ft. I am a little uncertain about that number, as it seems a little too small after looking on Google Maps and both estimating the length and noting how the bridge looks like it should be longer than the First Avenue South Bridge (which is not the case according to the number in that article). But it might just be due to how they choose the points they want to measure between. If anyone can find anything better or more conclusive, that would be great. 71.231.76.242 (talk) 08:44, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Previous bascule bridge
Do we have an article anywhere that covers the previous bascule bridge? It can be seen in this photo (thumb) of the current bridge under construction. - Jmabel | Talk 21:48, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

 * - we do now: "West Spokane Street Bridge". Your 1983 photo of the West Seattle Bridge under construction is a fantastic photo.  From what I understand, there were two old bridges: 1) the first bascule bridge constructed in 1924.  2) a second bascule bridge constructed some other time.  The Chavez rammed the northern bridge (the elder(?) bridge that carried eastbound traffic).  I'm not sure if the 1983 photo was taken after the northern bridge was torn down, since if it was still fully intact, it presumably it would have been visible in the 1983 photo.  My hunch is that the eastbound bridge was torn down by 1983, but someone with better access to Seattle research libraries (than me, down in San Francisco) should look that up.  Having ridden over the Spokane Street Bridge bicycling on my way to work many times many years ago, I have a visceral feel for the area, but that doesn't help me come up with useful citations.  Regardless, that photo belongs in either the "West Spokane Street Bridge" article or the "West Seattle Bridge" article (or perhaps both).-- RobLa (talk) 02:52, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Not my photo, actually, came from Seattle Municipal Archives.
 * 1924 is the north bridge, the one that was hit.
 * The south bridge was 1930. I believe it was not demolished until the first of the present-day bridges was complete (1983?) - Jmabel | Talk 03:44, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Merge with Spokane Street Bridge?
It seems as though the history of upper bridge and the lower bridge are hopelessly intertwined. Both bridges are replacements for the #West Spokane Street Bridge, and were the partly the result of Forward Thrust, not to mention when the Chavez rammed into the West Spokane Street Bridge. I suppose that someone could create a West Spokane Street Bridge article instead of merging Spokane Street Bridge and West Seattle Bridge, but something should be changed. -- RobLa (talk) 08:29, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Separate bridges with separate designs should have separate articles. I do think having an article on the old bridge would be helpful as well.  Sounder Bruce  21:02, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've started Draft:West Spokane Street Bridge. Can we try making that article suitable for publishing as West Spokane Street Bridge, and remove a lot of the prose that I copied out of West Seattle Bridge from the article about the latter bridge (that opened in 1984)? -- RobLa (talk) 17:46, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Ramps to West Seattle Bridge
On 3 May 2023, potholes on a ramp leading from Highway 99 to the West Seattle Bridge were discovered to be actually a hole through the elevated concrete ramp. Deteriorated concrete will require repairs initially estimated at 10 days. 2601:600:9080:F3C0:F959:378B:AAC5:AB4F (talk) 01:09, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

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Sukharevskaya (Moscow Metro)

Sukharevskaya (Сухаревская) is a station on the Kaluzhsko-Rizhskaya line of the Moscow Metro. It opened on 5 January 1972. The station's underground vestibule is located under Sretenka Street just south of the Garden Ring. From its opening until November 1990, the station was called Kolkhoznaya, as a nod to the collective farming of the Soviet Union and the similarly named square. As Soviet names lost favor, the square was renamed into the Large and Small Sukharev Squares, both of which are named for the Sukharev Tower, which stood nearby until 1934. The station was renamed Sukharevskaya, accordingly.

Design
The yellowish marble pylons resemble stylized sheaves of wheat in keeping with the station's original name, Kolkhoznaya or "Collective Farm." The walls are faced with white marble and decorated with plaques by R. Pogrebnoy (who was also the architect), Ye. Kolyupanova, and S. Kolyupanov. Lighting comes from rows of inset lamps running along the base of the ceiling.

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Peter Bell

Peter Bell may refer to:

People

 * Peter Hansborough Bell (1810–1898), Governor of Texas, U.S. representative
 * Peter Bell (footballer, born 1976), Australian rules footballer, played for Fremantle and North Melbourne
 * Peter R. Bell (born 1954), Australian rules footballer, played for St Kilda and Sandringham
 * Peter Bell (actor), British actor
 * Peter Bell (German politician) (1889–1939), German teacher and politician
 * Peter Alan Bell (born 1958), American doctor of osteopathic medicine
 * Peter Albany Bell (1871–1957), caterer and confectioner in Western Australia

Other

 * Pietje Bell (novel series), a series of Dutch children's books from 1914–1936
 * Peter Bell (film), a 2002 Dutch film
 * Peter Bell II: The Hunt for the Czar Crown, 2003 Dutch film
 * Peter Bell, a 19th-century English phrase for a "simple rustic" (after Wordsworth's poem of the same title)
 * Peter Bell: A Tale, a long poem by William Wordsworth first published in 1819
 * Peter Bell the Third, a poem by Percy Bysshe Shelley, written as a parody of Wordsworth's Peter Bell

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Open Secret

Open Secret is a 1948 American film noir directed by John Reinhardt, starring John Ireland and Jane Randolph.

Plot
Newlyweds Paul Lester (Ireland) and his wife Nancy (Randolph) are invited to visit Paul's friend Ed Stevens. They arrive to find Stevens gone and a mysterious phone call gets Paul to the other end of town. While he's away, Nancy is assaulted by a would-be burglar. Paul thinks there's something more going on than a missing persons case or a burglary and tries to interest Police Detective Frontelli (Leonard) in looking into it, but Frontelli is initially skeptical.

When Stevens turns up under the wheels of a truck along with evidence tying him to an earlier hit-and-run murder, Paul is certain that there's some kind of organized conspiracy afoot. What he finds is a town slowly coming under siege from a secret band of anti-Semitic thugs masquerading as a patriotic organization, with whom Stevens had been involved and tried to quit. Paul and Nancy's situation goes from bad to dangerous when they accidentally stumble upon evidence that could hang the murderers.

Cast

 * John Ireland as Paul Lester
 * Jane Randolph as Nancy Lester
 * Roman Bohnen as Roy Locke
 * Sheldon Leonard as Sergeant Mike Frontelli
 * George Tyne as Harry Strauss
 * Morgan Farley as Larry Mitchell, also known as Phillips
 * Ellen Lowe as Mae Locke
 * Anne O'Neal as Mrs. Tristram
 * Arthur O'Connell as Carter
 * John Alvin as Ralph

Production notes
Some of the music cues from the original soundtrack by Herschel Burke Gilbert were re-used in Season One of the 1950s television series Adventures of Superman.

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Toni Patrick
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Robert Colin
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Grant Munro (footballer)

Grant Munro (born 15 September 1980 in Inverness, Scotland) is a Scottish former footballer. He was, most recently, with Rothes in the Highland Football League.

Career
On 9 February 2008, Munro scored the 1000th goal in the history of Inverness Caledonian Thistle, in a 1-1 draw against St Mirren. In October 2008, Munro signed a new contract with the Caley Jags to keep him at the club until 2011. In May 2011 it was announced by the club that Munro would not receive a new contract. Despite this he went on to score for Inverness in their 3-2 win over Celtic on 4 May to dent their title hopes.

It was announced on Tuesday 24 May 2011 that Munro has signed a 2-year pre-contract deal with Ross County. Manager Derek Adams said "I am delighted to have signed Grant. His experience on the pitch will be vital in the season ahead. He has been a consistent performer over many years and will add further quality to our squad." It was confirmed on 21 May 2013 that Munro had been handed a contract extension as a reward for the fifth-placed finish in the Scottish Premier League.

Munro left Ross County on 15 October 2013 to pursue a career outwith full-time football, signing a three-year deal with Brora Rangers on 25 October 2013.

On 27 June 2016, Munro become the new manager at Brora Rangers

On 8 December 2016, he resigned as manager of Brora Rangers

He soon returned to the game, when he was appointed assistant manager at Rothes in January 2017. However, shortly after, Munro resigned the position, citing work pressures.

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