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Ledyard Bridge

The Ledyard Bridge crosses the Connecticut River to connect Hanover, New Hampshire to Norwich, Vermont. It is the third bridge at this crossing to bear the name of the adventurer John Ledyard.

History
The first "Ledyard Free Bridge" was a covered bridge built in 1859 that was the first bridge across the Connecticut not to charge a toll. (It was the latest of several bridges at this site that went back to the late 18th century.) The bridge was named after Ledyard in 1859 because its eastern abutment was near the site of a tree that Ledyard felled during 1773 in order to make the dugout canoe in which he left Dartmouth College to continue his world travels.

The bridge now standing was built between 1998 and 2000 by the New Hampshire Department of Transportation. At each end it displays a pair of "bridge balls," the controversial Classical ornaments cast in concrete that refer to the gateway to Tuck Drive nearby on the Hanover shore. They are the product of a Concord architect brought in by NHDOT to infuse some extra aesthetic appeal into the design of the bridge.

The Ledyard Bridge carries the designation of New Hampshire Route 10A and Vermont Route 10A, a short state highway linking U.S. Route 5 and Interstate 91 on the Vermont side with New Hampshire Route 10 on the New Hampshire side. The Appalachian Trail uses the pedestrian walkway to cross the river.

Border location
Although the border between New Hampshire and Vermont was set at the Vermont shore early in the states' histories, the bridge's monument to that border rests near the middle of the crossing; the reasoning is that the border was fixed before the Wilder Dam pushed the Vermont shore westward during the 1950s.

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Batha

Batha may refer to:
 * Batha Region, one of the regions of Chad
 * Batha Prefecture, a former division of Chad
 * Batha, Lebanon, one of the villages in Keserwan District in Lebanon
 * Batha, an alternate term for garrigue, or Mediterranean scrubland
 * Al-Batha (Riyadh), a commercial area in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
 * Batha (demon) a kind of daemon in Kerala

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Talk:Tomato (color)

Articles for Deletion debate
This article was redirected to Tomato as a result of an Articles for Deletion debate. The discussion can be found here. -Splash talk 18:27, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Source of confusion about the color tomato
I was unaware of the preceding deletion debate when I created this article today. The confusion seems to arise from the fact that the color tomato is not the color of an actual tomato, but of tomato soup. I pointed this out in the article. Keraunos (talk) 01:57, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Reconsideration of observation about the color of tomatoes
By viewing tomatoes under full spectrum flourescent lamps, I have come to realize that this IS the actual color of a common supermarket tomato. However, many vine-ripened tomatoes are a bit redder. Keraunos (talk) 17:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

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Cacique (rum)

Cacique is a Venezuelan brand of rum first marketed in 1959. The Cacique product lines are owned by Diageo, the largest multinational beer, wine and spirits company in the world. It is the best-selling rum in Venezuela and a leading exporter to other South American countries and Europe (notably Spain). The word "cacique" (a loan from Taíno or Arawak languages) means "chief of the tribe" in Spanish.

It comes in several varieties, starting with the simplest Cacique Origen and then moving up to the Cacique 500. The most expensive is the Cacique Antiguo.

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Dennis Dugan

Dennis Barton Dugan (born September 5, 1946) is an American film director, actor, and comedian. He is known for directing the films Problem Child, Brain Donors, Beverly Hills Ninja and National Security, and his partnership with comedic actor Adam Sandler, for whom he directed the films Happy Gilmore, Big Daddy, The Benchwarmers, I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry, You Don't Mess with the Zohan, Grown Ups, Just Go with It, Jack and Jill and Grown Ups 2. Dugan is a four-time Golden Raspberry Award for Worst Director nominee, winning once.

Early life
Dugan was born in Wheaton, Illinois, the second of four sons of Marion, a housewife, and Charles Dugan, an insurance executive. He graduated from The Goodman School of Drama at the Art Institute of Chicago (now at DePaul University) and started his acting career in 1969 in New York City.

Career
He moved to Hollywood in 1972 and appeared in his first TV show, The Sixth Sense. Later, he played in the 1973 TV movie The Girl Most Likely to.... Other early film appearances include Night Call Nurses (1972), Night Moves (1975), Smile (1975), Harry and Walter Go to New York (1976) and Norman... Is That You? (1976). In 1979, he was cast as the time-displaced hero in Unidentified Flying Oddball, Disney's very loose adaptation of A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. In 1981, he appeared in Joe Dante's The Howling.

Dugan made guest appearances on several TV series during the 1970s including The Mod Squad, The Waltons, Cannon, Columbo, The Rockford Files, and Alice. He also appeared in the mini-series Rich Man, Poor Man, as well as two episodes of M*A*S*H and in 1978 starred in the short-lived series Richie Brockelman, Private Eye, a spin-off from The Rockford Files.

He took on a recurring role as an aspiring caped crusader who called himself "Captain Freedom" on Hill Street Blues. He also appeared on Empire (1984) and Shadow Chasers (1984). He played Walter Bishop, briefly the husband of Maddie Hayes (Cybill Shepherd) on Moonlighting. Dugan's other film credits of the 1980s include Water (1985), Can't Buy Me Love (1987), She's Having a Baby (1988), The New Adventures of Pippi Longstocking (1988) and Ron Howard's Parenthood (1989).

Dugan launched a career as a television and film director, making cameo appearances in many of his films. Ones he directed include the comedy Problem Child (1990), Brain Donors (1992), the comedy Saving Silverman (2001) (in which Dugan plays a football referee), the comedy National Security (2003), and the Adam Sandler comedies Happy Gilmore (1996) (in which Dugan plays Doug Thompson, the golf tour supervisor) and Big Daddy (1999) (with Dugan as a man who reluctantly gives candy to a trick-or-treating Julian). Dugan has directed episodes of such television series as Moonlighting (was also a guest star in some episodes), Ally McBeal, and NYPD Blue.

Dugan directed The Benchwarmers (2006), a comedy co-produced by Sandler, about a trio of men who try to make up for missed opportunities in childhood by forming a three-player baseball team to compete against Little League squads. Dugan himself has a bit part as Coach Bellows in that film while his dad Charles portrayed the Video Stop boss Marty. He then directed two more Sandler vehicles, I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry (2007) and You Don't Mess with the Zohan (2008).

Dugan directed Grown Ups (2010), which follows a group of high school friends who are reunited after thirty years for the Fourth of July. The film again stars Sandler, along with Kevin James, Chris Rock, David Spade, Rob Schneider, Salma Hayek, Maria Bello, and Maya Rudolph while Dugan had a bit part as a basketball referee; it was released in the summer of 2010 with major box office success.

Dugan's Just Go with It (2011) was his sixth film with Sandler; it also starred Jennifer Aniston and Brooklyn Decker. Dugan directed Jack and Jill (2011), again with Sandler, and Grown Ups 2 (2013), with Sandler, James, Rock and Spade, all reprising their roles while Dugan had a bit part as Dr. Larry. Schneider was unable to reprise his role due to scheduling conflicts.

To date, Dugan's films have grossed over $1.8 billion worldwide.

Personal life
Dugan's first marriage was to actress Joyce Van Patten in 1973. They divorced in 1987, and he later wed Sharon O'Connor, to whom he is still married.

In June 2009, Dugan's son Kelly was drafted with the 75th overall selection by the Philadelphia Phillies in the Major League Baseball Draft. A graduate of Notre Dame High School of Sherman Oaks, California, he played for five of the club's minor league teams through 2015, followed by shorter stays in the Chicago Cubs (2016) and Arizona Diamondbacks (2017) organizations before moving on to independent baseball (2018–2023).

Film
Director

Acting roles

Television
TV movies
 * The Shaggy Dog (1994)
 * A Screwball Homicide (2003)
 * Karroll's Christmas (2004)

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Leicester Castle

Leicester Castle is in the city of the same name in the English county of Leicestershire. The complex is situated in the west of Leicester City Centre, between Saint Nicholas Circle to the north and De Montfort University to the south. A large motte and the Great Hall are the two substantial remains of what was once a large defensive structure. The hall is now encased in a Queen Anne style frontage. The Castle and the Magazine Gateway is a scheduled monument.

History
Leicester Castle was part of the medieval town defences, built over the Roman town walls. The castle was probably built around 1070 (soon after the Norman Conquest in 1066) under the governorship of Hugh de Grandmesnil. The remains now consist of a mound, along with ruins. Originally the mound was 40 ft (12.2 m) high.

In 1173, Henry II's three eldest sons led a rebellion against him with support from several magnates, including Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester. During the conflict, Henry's forces laid siege to Leicester and burnt most of the town. The castle was then slighted (partially demolished) and parts of the ditches filled. According to historian Sidney Painter, it was one of at least 21 castles demolished on Henry II's instructions.

Kings sometimes stayed at the castle (Edward I in 1300, and Edward II in 1310 and 1311), and John of Gaunt and his second wife Constance of Castile both died here in 1399 and 1394 respectively. Henry of Grosmont, 1st Duke of Lancaster, one of the leading captains in the early phases of the Hundred Years' War died at the castle on 23 March 1361.

It became an official royal residence during the reigns of Henry IV, Henry V, Henry VI and Edward IV, but by the middle of the 15th century, it was no longer considered suitable and was used mainly as a courthouse; with sessions being held in the Great Hall. Apart from being used for assize courts, the Great Hall was also used for sessions of the Parliament of England most notably the Parliament of Bats in 1426, when the conditions in London were not suitable.

A section of the castle wall, adjacent to the Turret Gateway, has gun loops (holes) that were poked through the medieval wall to use as firing ports by the city's residents when Parliamentarian Leicester was besieged, captured, and ransacked, during the English Civil War by the main Royalist Field army under Charles I and Prince Rupert on 31 May 1645. The third storey of the Turret Gateway (known as 'Prince Rupert's gateway') was destroyed in an election riot in 1832.

In the 1880s, J. M. Barrie visited the assize courts regularly and spent many hours inside as reporter for the Nottingham Journal when the hall was being used as a court house. The castle continued to be used as the venue for assizes and quarter sessions and, after 1972, for hearings of Leicester Crown Court until the Leicester Law Courts in Wellington Street were completed in 1981.

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Talk:Rose (color)

Articles for Deletion debate
This article survived an Articles for Deletion debate. The discussion can be found here. -Splash talk 18:29, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

The colour magenta
At the very base of the page, under the "shades of violet section" I think the colour magenta has been given the wrong colour tab - it is certainly a different colour than the magenta under the "shades of red" and "shades of pink" sections, I think that it may be fuschia, rather than magenta. I'm not really sure how to fix it, or if I'm right... Does anyone else see a difference? ::

 * The trouble is that there are several magentas. Fuchsia is also known as magenta or "electric magenta".  Whatever set of editors did the shades templates wasn't always being consistent.  Here's a snippet of the shades of red to illustrate the alt names and numbers (the first four on the second row).

 * width="5%" style="font-size:90%;" | Fuchsia
 * width="5%" style="font-size:90%;" | Girlsnberry
 * width="5%" style="font-size:90%;" | Hollywood Cerise
 * width="5%" style="font-size:90%;" | Magenta
 * width="5%" style="font-size:90%;" | Magenta

 * style="background:#FF00FF; "|
 * style="background:#D15C5C; "|
 * style="background:#F400A1; "|
 * style="background:#FF0090; "|
 * style="background:#FF0090; "|

Go to template:Shades of pink or template:Shades of violet and edit to see the others. It's not obvious what would be the right fix. Dicklyon 00:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Problem with "Japanese pink"
On the page Pink there is the link to this article to the section name "Japanese Pink", but this article has not got such section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TomaszHolband (talk • contribs) 17:07, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Same thing with "American Rose". There is a link to this article from the Shades of Red page but there's no entry here.MultK (talk) 13:17, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Use of an image
The first thing to notice on this page is how the image breaks the layout. Contents-box appears on the right hand side an looks abrupt. Is the image needed at all to convey the idea of a color? Most color-pages work fine without a tangible picture to the origin of the word. There could be a link to a wikipedia article about roses or history of color or whatever. I suggest getting rid of the image for the sake of layout. RedJimi (talk) 17:06, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Possible removal from list
Entries in List of colors: A–F contained links to this page.

The entries are :

 * Classic rose

Entries in List of colors: G–M contained links to this page.

 * Light Thulian pink

Entries in List of colors: N–Z contained links to this page.

The entries are :

 * Rose garnet
 * Rose gold
 * Rose quartz pink
 * Turkish rose

I don't see any evidence that these colors are discussed in this article and plan to delete them from the list per this discussion: Talk:List_of_colors

If someone decides that these colors should have a section in this article and it is added, I would appreciate a ping.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  18:50, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

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Ramage

Ramage may refer to:

People

 * Adam Ramage (1772-1850), printing press manufacturer
 * Alan Ramage (born 1957), English cricketer
 * Alison Ramage, British mathematician
 * Andy Ramage (born 1974), English footballer
 * Cecil Ramage (1895–1988), Scottish barrister, actor and Liberal politician
 * Craig Ramage (born 1970), English footballer
 * David Ramage (born 1939), Australian rower
 * Craufurd Tait Ramage (1803–1878), Scottish travel writer and anthologist
 * Edward V. Ramage (1908–1981), US Presbyterian Church minister
 * Fiona Ramage (born 1978), New Zealand cyclist
 * George Ramage (born 1937), Scottish footballer
 * Graeme Ramage (born 1992), Scottish footballer
 * Henry Ramage (1827–1859), Scottish dragoon and Victoria Cross recipient
 * Ian Ramage (born 1958), Scottish cricket umpire
 * James D. Ramage (1916–2012), US Navy Rear Admiral
 * John Ramage (artist) (1748–1802), Irish-American painter
 * John Ramage (ice hockey) (born 1991), Canadian-American ice hockey player
 * Lawson P. Ramage (1909–1990), Vice Admiral and noted submarine commander during World War II
 * Pat Ramage (1922–2003), Canadian skiing executive
 * Paul Ramage (born 1940), English cricketer and headmaster
 * Peter Ramage (1908–1982), Scottish footballer
 * Peter Ramage (born 1983), English footballer
 * Rob Ramage (born 1959), Canadian ice hockey player
 * Richard Ramage (1896–1971), British colonial administrator.
 * Robert Ramage (1865–1925), Australian jockey

Places

 * Ramage Point, an ice-covered point on Carney Island, Antarctica
 * Ramage, West Virginia, an unincorporated community in West Virginia, United States
 * Ramage Square, a residential square in Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland

Other uses

 * James A. Ramage Civil War Museum, museum in Northern Kentucky
 * Nicholas Ramage, a character in Dudley Pope's Ramage series of historical novels
 * Ramage (novel), the first novel in the Ramage series
 * Ramage & Ferguson, Scottish shipbuilding company
 * USS Ramage, a guided missile destroyer in the United States Navy

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User:King of Scarecrows

The King of Scarecrows has many identities, though King of Scarecrows is most commonly used, as his original first name is unknown. Past aliases have included Steve Grene, Tyler King, Cosmo C. Cosmo, Grievous Steve, Ersatz Moth, Oswald Gravenson, Murray Bagelson, Theodore Mugswallop, and Omicron Seven, among others.

He was born on August 3, 1914, in a small township in Caucasia. Little is known about his life up until the age of 16, when he was crowned. It is, however, widely agreed upon that he was not born into any sort of ruling class, because the Scarecrows were known to disapprove of "noble" bloodlines. He is one of the only Men known to speak the language of Scarecrows.

Upbringing
He was birthed at noon exactly on August 3, 1914, in Sunderland, Caucasia. His mother, Beatrix Umbria, nearly died during labor, and the two midwifes both fainted, leaving his father to deliver him.

As stated previous, little is known about the King as he was raised. Experts speculate that his life was an easy one, for though his family was not rich, they were far from poor. He would have led a simple life; most of the work coming from doing some of the farmwork if a laborer was ill.

It is known that his father, Ichabod Umbria, died when the King was quite young, though no exact date has been revealed. It is unknown how the King reacted to this, though most assume that he cared little or none at all.

It was recently made aware that at the age of 12 he left his village for two months, alone. No documentation of where he went, or what he did, has ever been found.

Crowning
On October 17, 1930, he was tending to a dying corn field because the normal laborer was ill when he noticed he was next to the Scarecrow. He paused, and looked at it. To it, he said (and this is only known because the Scarecrows keep such meticulous logs of the days): "Oh, I wish the laborers would come and do this. I don't have the stamina for it." The Scarecrow looked down upon him, for it was taller, and then stood back up straight.

The King dismissed this as wind, although he had felt no breeze and the corn was certainly still. However, his mother called to him from the house, saying that the sick man was here, cured, ready for work. The King looked at the Scarecrow and walked away.

Later that afternoon he told his mother about the odd incident in the field, and with a gasp she explained that he must be able to speak the language of the Scarecrows. Few Men were ever able to do so (most of those who could speak Scarecrow were Cephalopods, Narnians, and of course the Scarecrows themselves).

It was that night, at dusk, that several Scarecrows (including the one from his own corn field), Cephalopods, and a Unicorn converged upon the King, and crowned him rather unceremoniously as King with a Straw Hat. This Hat has never been seen since the crowning, as it was removed to an undisclosed location soon after the coronation.

As King
Once made King of Scarecrows, he set off with the Scarecrow from his field (whose name was Brut) to live in the great palace of the Scarecrow King, Epopisiger (from Latin roots niger, meaning black, and epopis, meaning bird) Hauterrito (from Latin roots haud, roughly meaning none, and territo, meaning terrifying), or, roughly, Crow's Mis-Haunt.

The Crow's Mis-Haunt overlooked a large purple crag from a jutting moutain. Historians believe that it was in fact still in Caucasia, though likely in the snowy reaches of the North. The Castle has never been found. It served as the base of command for a larger, more advanced civilization than the one of Men at the time. Many people assume this to be a sort of "underground culture," though it was quite above ground.

Brut became the loyal No. 2 to the King, and for several years instructed him on the ways of those who spoke Scarecrow. Through letters unaddressed and logs written in emerald ink, it has been discerned that Brut made the King aware that though Scarecrows were the backbone of the alternate society, they had never ruled, save for Holl, a Scarecrow long dead who founded a sort of league that later grew into what the society is today.

As King, it was his job to keep the various factions of the society at peace, and it was a difficult job indeed. He found that many people knew him by name alone, and not face, so he adopted many aliases to get first-hand accounts of disturbances without being bowed at all the time. He was clever in keeping each one of the personas up to date on such things as families "back home," correspondences, and all sorts of other things too numerous to mention that come with leading seperate lives.

He did not, however, merely change his name, for there were those who knew his face. Luckily, Brut was experienced in Sorcery, and was able to give the King the gift of Impersination. Using this gift, the King could appear as anyone he liked, or make up an entirely new person.

He generally kept the peace. Rarely ever was there a major dispute over anything under his rule, and none of the citizens of the Main Society (as it was called) ever got wind of the Kingdom.

In 1940, at the age of 26, the King invented

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Talk:Extreme points of Massachusetts

Proposal to delete
Another editor suggested deletion (WP:AFD), stating, "there are no other pages about state extremes except for Texas, and there is already Extreme points of U.S. states."—Markles 20:50, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Weak oppose. I think it's not a well-crafted article, but it has more information than Extreme points of U.S. states.  I suggest finding better ways to expand this article OR transferring its additional data (Highest, Lowest, Geographic Center) to Extreme points of U.S. states.  The Texas article, for example has even more data, such as longest rivers, largest lakes, etc.  —Markles  20:50, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Merge
I have added a merge suggestion template as I feel the information should exist but be merged and not deleted. Discussions can continue on the appropriate pages. Otr500 (talk) 06:31, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I also added Extreme Points of Texas which should be Extreme points of Texas. Otr500 (talk) 06:36, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

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Talk:Knights of Solamnia

The Oath and the Measure
Added The Oath and the Measure. I am planning on creating a Wikibook to collect all the rules scattered around the Dragonlance books, trying to recreate the fictional Oath and Measure for common people to read. -- ReyBrujo 18:31, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, maybe the Wikibook should be about Knights of Solamnia in general... although I am still thinking one only for The Oath and the Measure -- ReyBrujo 14:18, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Paladins?
The knights of the order, are they fighters or paladins? SpectrumDT 00:58, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Knights of the Crown and the Sword are considered fighters. Knights of the Rose could be considered paladins interpreting the Dragonlance rules. In the novels, though, their magical powers are really very rare, and I believe they are considered fighters only. -- ReyBrujo 02:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
 * In the book Knight of the Black Rose, we see a Solamnic Knight (Peradur, I believe) healing by laying on hands. And I don't think he is a Rose knight... SpectrumDT 20:34, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Apparently, only Habbakuk does not give clerical powers to knights. Kiri-Jolith gives some minor healing powers to Knights of the Sword, as stated in The Black Wing. In the Dragonlance Campaign Setting, page 57, Kiri-Jolith grants the Sword Knights magic that gives them strength in battle, the power to defeat dangerous opponents, and the ability to protect others in need. Even when they do not have divine magic from their deity, faith and courage sustain them. In gaming terms, they can cast 1st-level divine spells. Knights of the Rose can cast 2nd-level divine spells. It also points that Rose knights get their spells from Kiri-Jolith as well, not from Paladine. The War of the Lance sourcebook allows to create a setting where the knights do not have spellcasting available, to match the post-cataclysm environment. -- ReyBrujo 20:48, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Issues with this entry in general
There are some serious issues of accuracy in this article, but I don't wanna step on any feet here. I'd rather simply give my thoughts here and let you guys decide if you want to fix it.

I've already made two minor edits, didn't wanna go any farther than that. Changed "Rebellion of the Roses" to "The Rose Rebellion", and something about Solamnus "discovering honor", which is just weird... changed that so reflect what really happened.

At any rate... there seems to be very little mention of the gods of the Triumvirate, the quest of honor is glossed over after essencially skipping the reason for it (after the fall of Daltigoth, the province of Vingaard became independant, named Solamnus it's king, and renamed itself Solamnia. It was 16 years later that some northern provinces also broke from Ergoth and wanted to join Solamnia. Solamnus didn't see this as practical due to differences in culture and ideals, thus, wanting to help, embarked on his "Quest of Honor". He found his way to the Whitestone Glade where he collapsed in exhaustion, or prayed and mediated, depending on the source, and was granted a vision of the three orders of knighthood by the gods of the Triuvirate: Paladine, Habbakuk, and Kiri-Jolith).

The group referred too in the article as the "Conclave" is actually called the Knightly High Council, or simply High Council. It has never been referred to as the Conclave in any text I have read (Conclave, in fact, refers to the 21 member ruling body of the Orders of Magic in Dragonlance). The four members of the council are the High Warrior, head of the Order of the Crown, the High Clerist, head of the Order of the Sword, the High Justice, head of the Order of the Rose, and the Grand Master, head of the entire Knighthood and commander of the Knightly Circle of Sancrist. The High Warrior is not "second in command" of the knighthood, only his Order. All three High Knights are equal in command and hold no authority over the other two orders.

No knight of any order has ever been permitted to cast Arcane magic. The Knight of the Rose section implies that they used too. Some Knights of the Sword and of the Rose are able to cast Divine "spells", which are really nothing more than immediately and visibly answered prayers. Only in the current age, post war of souls, have knights even begun associating with magi, accepting white robes into the Order of the Kingfisher (which isn't a true Knightly Order, but an Auxilliary branch consisting of commoner foot soldiers and peasant levies).

The Orders do not necessary denote rank. A Knight of the Crown can outrank a Knight of the Rose. The orders are a matter of role and prestige, not rank. In fact, most knights LOSE rank by advancing to a new Order. All knights do begin as Knights of the Crown, and one must become a Sword Knight before advancing to the Order of the Rose, but a Lord is a Lord, a Baron is a Baron, and a Sergeant is a Sergeant, regardless of Order. Lord Knights outrank Knight Officers who outrank sergeants who outrank postulants, and that is regardless of Order. Order is, at best, a tie breaker.

The role of the different orders, however, is quite veried. For the most part, Crown knights are homeguards. They garrison the fortresses across Solamnic lands. Knights of the Sword serve two roles, as illustrated by their two distict classes of Knight... standard Knights of the Sword, and Clerists. Your basic Knight of the Sword is a warrior, he actively seeks and roots out the enemies of the Knighthood, taking the fight to them. The Knight Clerist, however, are the spiritual backbone of the Order, serving as sort of glorified chaplains and battlefield medics (able to call upon the powers of Kiri-Jolith to heal their comrads). The Order of the Rose makes up much of the disciplinary aspect of Knighthood, as well as Solamnic lands. It's the most autonimous of the Orders, and deals in a lot of legal issues.

Ultimately, however, all three Orders are represented on any major battlefield, and Order is more about prestige than anything else.Adembroski 11:31, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Nicely said, but I take from it you have not read Knightly Orders of Ansalon or that you have read any of the Solamnia Trilogy by Doug Niles. Magic users are now a part of the Knighthood, which are a group called the Kingfishers. Before you start editing the article tow hat you think is right, make sure you have referenced both books of that series, and the gaming book Knightly Orders. Just my suggestion if you want to make the article right.--Kranar drogin 16:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, the Triuvirate is no longer as you stated, but Shinar, Kiri-Jolith, and Habbakuk.--Kranar drogin 16:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Thank you for the suggestions, but instead of putting it here it would have been far more useful to us if you had edited the article to reflect it. Don't worry about stepping out of place, or over feet, or whatever.  Be bold, and edit as needed.   Thanks :)  Dooms  Day349  21:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

 * The Kingfishers are an auxilliary, not an Order of Knighthood. Knights of the Rose have NEVER used Arcane magic. And the state of the triumverite NOW has nothing to do with what it was when they appeared before Solamnus. I do have both of the sources you mentioned, and everything i said is still accurate. Adembroski 00:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Removed PROD
PROD was not use correctly here according to Wikipedia guidelines. So I removed it. Web Warlock (talk) 12:54, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Rather than deleted, this article could potentially be merged into List of Dragonlance characters. 129.33.19.254 (talk) 14:14, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Merge to List of Dragonlance characters
Not sure how much of the content from here we want to merge. Anyone have suggestions, or want to take a crack at it? —Torchiest talkedits 00:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

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Luciano Galletti

Luciano Martín Galletti (born 9 April 1980) is an Argentine retired footballer who played as a right winger.

In a professional career that lasted 14 years he played mostly in Spain, with Zaragoza and Atlético Madrid, but also represented Olympiacos, winning five major titles with the latter club. He was also retired from 2010 to 2013, before returning to active with OFI Crete.

An Argentina international in the 2000s, Galletti appeared with the national team at the 2005 Confederations Cup.

Early years and Italy
Born in La Plata, Buenos Aires Province, Galletti's career began with Estudiantes de La Plata, where his father Rubén Horacio played as a right-wing forward during the 1970s. He scored once in 24 games in his second season in the Primera División.

In January 1999, Galletti joined Parma A.C. in Italy, but failed to break into the first team, moving in the following transfer window to another club in the country, Serie B's S.S.C. Napoli – loaned by Estudiantes, to where he would return for the 2000–01 campaign.

Zaragoza
Galletti signed with Real Zaragoza from Spain in the 2001 off-season. He made his La Liga debut on 26 August in a 1–2 away loss against RCD Espanyol, and finished his first year with 27 matches and two goals as the season ended in relegation.

From there onwards, Galletti became an undisputed starter for the Aragonese, never appearing in less than 34 contests for the remainder of his spell. In 2003–04 he helped them win the Copa del Rey, scoring the winner in a 3–2 extra time win over Real Madrid.

Atlético Madrid
On 29 July 2005, Galletti joined fellow league side Atlético Madrid for €4 million. He netted his first league goal for his new team on 27 October, closing the scoresheet at home against Cádiz CF (3–0).

In his second season with the Colchoneros, Galletti scored four goals in 36 games as they finished in seventh position.

Olympiacos
On 30 June 2007, Galletti was transferred to Olympiacos F.C. in Greece, for a reported fee of €2.5 million, with the player signing a four-year contract with an annual salary of €1.3 million. On 2 May 2009, he scored Olympiacos‘ 4th goal of the final of the Greek Cup against AEK Athens F.C. giving his team a 4–3 lead but got sent off right after that and watched his team getting equalized but eventually winning the game and the title after a thrilling penalty shoot-out; after that campaign ended and he contributed with a career-best 14 goals to the national championship's conquest, he signed a contract extension linking him to the Piraeus club until 2013 – the new deal contained a release clause fee of €15 million.

In early February 2010, Galletti was diagnosed with severe kidney failure, causing him to miss the rest of the season. He announced his retirement the following summer, aged only 30; in early October 2012, however, he underwent a successful kidney transplant, the donor being his father Rubén.

Galletti returned to Olympiacos on 3 September 2014 after an unassuming spell as player at OFI Crete FC, being appointed scout for Latin America.

International career
Galletti was the top scorer at the 1999 South American Youth Championship with nine goals in only eight games, ranking ahead the likes of Ronaldinho and Roque Santa Cruz as the Argentina under-20s won the competition in Paraguay. He earned 13 caps for the full side, making his debut in 2000 and being selected to the squad that appeared in the 2005 FIFA Confederations Cup, where he played three matches for the eventual runners-up, including the final against Brazil.

Club
Zaragoza
 * Copa del Rey: 2003–04
 * Supercopa de España: 2004

Olympiacos
 * Super League Greece: 2007–08, 2008–09
 * Greek Cup: 2007–08, 2008–09
 * Greek Super Cup: 2007

International
Argentina
 * South American Youth Championship: 1999
 * FIFA Confederations Cup runner-up: 2005

Individual

 * South American Youth Championship Top scorer: 1999
 * Super League Greece Player of the Season: 2008–09
 * Super League Greece Top scorer: 2008–09
 * Super League Greece Best Foreign Player: 2008–09
 * Greek Cup Top assist provider: 2008–09

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Epistles (Horace)

The Epistles (or Letters) of Horace were published in two books, in 20 BC and 14 BC, respectively.

 * Epistularum liber primus (First Book of Letters) is the seventh work by Horace, published in the year 20 BC. This book consists of 20 Epistles. The phrase sapere aude ("dare to be wise") comes from this collection of poems.
 * Epistularum liber secundus (Second Book of Letters) was published in the year 14 BC. This book consists of 3 Epistles. However, the third epistle – the Ars Poetica – is usually treated as a separate composition.

Background
As one commentator has put it: "Horace's Epistles may be said to be a continuation of his Satires in the form of letters... But few of the epistles are [actually] letters except in form..." They do indeed contain an excellent specimen of a letter of introduction (I.9); a piece of playful banter (I.14); pieces of friendly correspondence (I.3, I.4 and I.5); while the last, Epistle I.20, is inscribed 'To His Book," and forms a sort of epilogue to the Epistles he had already written. However, as a rule, the Epistles "are compositions like those which Pope, following the manner of Horace, has made familiar to us as Moral Essays."

The Epistles were published about four years after the first three books of Odes, and were introduced by a special address to his patron Maecenas, as his Odes, Epodes and Satires had been. The form of composition may have been suggested by some of the satires of Lucilius, which were composed as letters to his personal friends... "From the Epistles... we gather that [Horace] had gradually adopted a more retired and meditative life, and had become fonder of the country and of study, and that while owing allegiance to no school or sect of philosophy, he was framing for himself a scheme of life, was endeavoring to conform to it, and was bent on inculcating it in others."

"In both his Satires and Epistles, Horace shows himself a genuine moralist, a subtle observer and true painter of life, and an admirable writer." But in spirit the Epistles are more philosophic, more ethical and meditative. Like the Odes they exhibit the twofold aspects of Horace's philosophy, that of temperate Epicureanism and that of more serious and elevated conviction.

Book 1
Book 1 contains 20 Epistles.

 * I.1 – On the Importance of Philosophy - (Dedication to Maecenas, Horace's Patron)
 * 1-19 – Horace excuses himself to Maecenas for giving up the composition of lyric poetry, but he is better suited to philosophy as he grows older. However, he is not bound to any particular philosophic school.
 * 20-40 – Wisdom is the true business of life; yet most of us must be content with but a moderate share of it: wisdom too is the only power which can tame our passions.
 * 41-69 – Men will do and suffer anything to avoid poverty, but they will do nothing to gain virtue, which is more precious than gold. A clear conscience makes a man truly a king.
 * 70-93 – He cannot follow the popular ideas, because he sees that they all tend one way - namely, to money-making. Besides, not only do men differ from one another in their pursuits, but no man is ever consistent with himself.
 * 94-108 – External inconsistencies are noticed at once, while those of life and practice are passed over. This epistle ends with a joke on the Stoic doctrine of the perfect man.

 * I.2 – Homer: The Teacher of True Philosophy – (Addressed to Lollius Maximus)
 * 1-31 – Horace begins by demonstrating, in the manner of the Stoic philosophers, the merit of Homer as a teacher of morals.
 * 32-71 – Men will take more trouble for bad deeds than for good, and more for the body than the mind. Yet, without contentment and peace of mind, material acquisitions cannot be enjoyed. Avarice and envy are always beggars, and remorse comes after anger. Youth is the time to learn self-control. He shall always adhere to the philosophy of moderation.

 * I.3 – A Literary Staff – (Addressed to Julius Florus)
 * To Julius Florus, who was serving on the staff of Tiberius Claudius Nero. The letter consists mainly of inquiries and observations as to the literary pursuits of members of the staff; and concludes with a hope that the quarrel between Florus and Munatius has ended in a reconciliation.

 * I.4 – An Exhortation to Contentment – (Addressed to Albius Tibullus, the Elegiac Poet)
 * Horace urges his friend to enjoy each passing hour, and suggests that a visit to his Sabine Farm may divert him.

 * I.5 – An Invitation – (Addressed to Manlius Torquatus, to whom Horace also wrote Ode IV.7)
 * Horace invites his friend to dinner – Tomorrow is a holiday and Torquatus may well forget his occupations for a time. Horace then extols the virtues of wine (see also Ode III.21); and describes the preparations he is making for the banquet.

 * I.6 – On Philosophic Indifference – (Addressed to Numicius)
 * Equanimity is happiness – Fear and desire alike disturb our peace of mind. You will find this maxim true if you seek the chief good in any other pursuit – 1) in riches, 2) in political honors, 3) in sumptuous living, or 4) in love and trifling.

 * I.7 – An Independent Spirit – (Addressed to Maecenas)
 * 1-24 – Horace excuses himself to Maecenas for not keeping his promise to come to Rome, on the ground that it would be dangerous to his health. He feels that this reason will satisfy Maecenas, as being a friend who has always had a sincere regard for his welfare.
 * 25-45 – If Maecenas would want him to always be at Rome, then Horace must have back his health and youth. He must be free, even if freedom costs him the loss of all Maecenas' favors. Horace would give back all, as Telemachus refused the horses which were unsuited to his poor and rocky island.
 * 46-95 – The story of Volteius Mena and his patron L. Marcius Philippus, with an implied allusion to the relationship between Horace and Maecenas. The attainment of our wishes does not always make us happy.

 * I.8 – A Word of Warning – (Addressed to Celsus Albinovanus, who was serving on the staff of Tiberius in the province of Asia)
 * This letter seems to be a reply. Horace speaks of his own fickleness and discontent, and gently recommends moderation to Celsus in prosperity.

 * I.9 – A Letter of Recommendation – (Addressed to Tiberius)
 * This letter is written to the future emperor Tiberius, in behalf of Titius Septimius, to whom Ode II.6 is addressed.

 * I.10 – The Advantages of Country Life – (Addressed to Aristius Fuscus, to whom Ode I.22 is also addressed)
 * This epistle begins with Horace contrasting his own love of the country with his friend's fondness for the town; then follows the praise of Nature; and finally the poet dwells on the superior happiness that moderate means and contentment afford, compared with riches and ambition.

 * I.11 – On Contentment – (Addressed to Bullatius)
 * To Bullatius who is travelling to Ionia – Change of scene does not alter the mind. If the mind is tranquil, the meanest and least interesting of places seem agreeable.

 * I.12 – Consolation – (Addressed to Iccius, to whom Ode I.29 is also addressed)
 * Horace advises Iccius, who is now steward of Agrippa's property in Sicily, to be content, and compliments him on pursuing the study of philosophy. He then encourages him to cultivate the friendship of Pompeius Grosphus, and tells him the news at Rome.

 * I.13 – Instructions to a Messenger – (Addressed to Vinius Asina)
 * Horace sends a copy of his Odes to Augustus by a friend of his court circles – Vinius Asina. The poet writes a playful note of instruction to the messenger, whom he likens (on account of his name "Asina") to a beast of burden.

 * I.14 – Master to Bailiff –
 * Horace writes a letter to his bailiff, who dislikes the country and longs to return to city life; while Horace, detained at Rome, has his heart in the country.

 * I.15 – A Request for Information – (Addressed to Numonius Vala)
 * Horace has decided to spend the winter at the seashore, and now writes to his friend for information about the climate and resources of Velia and Salernum.

 * I.16 – Happiness Depends Upon Virtue – (Addressed to Quinctius Hirpinus, to whom Ode II.11 is also addressed)
 * 1-16 – Horace describes the simple attractions of his Sabine Farm.
 * 17-45 – Advice to his friend not to value too highly the admiration of the masses – their honors can be taken away.
 * 46-62 – Many a man who seems to be good is actuated by fear, not love – his morality is hollow.
 * 63-79 – The miser is a slave to his money. The good man is free and fearless, come what will.

 * I.17 – On True Independence – (Address to Scaeva)
 * Horace shows that one may observe proper deference towards a patron without sacrificing one's self-respect. He gives some humorous directions for gaining the favor of great men.

 * I.18 – On the Proper Demeanor Towards a Patron – (Addressed to Lollius Maximum)
 * As in Epistle I.17, Horace assures a friend that he can show proper deference to a patron, without laying himself open to the charge of obsequiousness.

 * I.19 – The Poet on His Critics – (Addressed to Maecenas)
 * The Odes (Books I–III) had evidently met with unfavorable criticism outside the small circle of the poet's friends. He points out to Maecenas the injustice of the charges which have been made against him, and expresses contempt for his detractors.

 * I.20 – Epilogue – (Addressed to His Book)
 * Horace warns his book of Epistles of the fate that attends publishing. He compares it to a young and beautiful slave, and foretells its destiny – 1) Success until it falls into the hands of the vulgar; 2) Banishment to the provinces; 3) An old age spent in schools.

Book 2
Book 2 consists of 3 epistles. However, the third epistle – the Ars Poetica – is usually treated as a separate composition. (For further discussion, see the Wikipedia article on the Ars Poetica).

 * II.1 – On Popular Taste and Judgment – (Dedication to Augustus)
 * Horace dedicates his second collection of Epistles to Augustus, who had apparently urged him to undertake something in the line of dramatic or epic poetry. He complains of the poor taste shown by the general public, especially in regard to the drama, and says that he is unwilling to make an attempt in that line. For epic poetry he has no ability.

 * II.2 – A Renunciation of Lyric Poetry – (Addressed to Julius Florus, to whom Epistle I.3 is also addressed)
 * Horace expresses at greater length the same general sentiments as in Epistle I.1 – He intends to devote himself to philosophy and to write only in the field represented by the Satires and Epistles.

 * II.3 – Ars Poetica – The Art of Poetry – (Addressed to The Pisos)
 * (For further discussion, see the Wikipedia article on the Ars Poetica)
 * The Ars Poetica is dedicated to Horace's friend Lucius Calpurnius Piso (the Roman senator and consul) and his two sons.
 * 1-23 – Unity and simplicity are necessary in a poem.
 * 24-37 – We, who would be poets, must guard against all extremes.
 * 38-44 – We must well consider our powers before we write.
 * 45-72 – We may coin new words when necessary, but this must be done with care: words, like all other things, are subject to change.
 * 73-85 – The various kinds of poetry: epic, elegiac, dramatic, lyric.
 * 86-98 – We must suit our style to the different kinds of poetry.
 * 99-118 – The words also must be suitable to the character in whose mouth the poet puts them.
 * 119-152 – A writer should follow the traditions of the Muse; or, if he strikes out something new, must be consistent. No better guide can we follow than Homer.
 * 153-178 – A writer too should observe the characteristics of each age of man.
 * 179-188 – Some things should be represented on the stage, others related to the spectators.
 * 189-201 – Certain rules not to be transgressed. The role of the Chorus.
 * 202-219 – Of the music of the stage, and how it changes with the fortunes and manners of the people.
 * 220-250 – The Satyric drama, which accompanied the tragedy, is not the same as comedy, and has its rules and wholesome restraints.
 * 251-274 – On the Iambic and Spondee. The Greek taste is to be followed, rather than the license of the Roman poets, in respect to meter.
 * 275-294 – The origin of tragedy & its development. To it succeeded the old comedy – vigorous, but scurrilous. The Latin poets deserve some praise, but their great fault is their careless, slovenly style.
 * 295-308 – Genius cannot afford to dispense with the rules of art. The critic has his place in literature.
 * 309-322 – Knowledge is the foundation of good writing. Poetry without sense is but a harmonious trifling.
 * 323-333 – The Greeks had genius; the Romans are a money-getting race.
 * 334-346 – The object of the poet should be to give instruction and delight.
 * 347-360 – We do not expect perfection in a poem, but we do expect care and pains.
 * 361-365 – A short comparison between poetry and painting.
 * 366-390 – Mediocrity in poetry is insufferable – For this reason, be careful before you publish.
 * 391-407 – The origins and office of poetry in early days.
 * 408-418 – Genius is necessary for a poet – and yet, without art and study, genius will fail.
 * 419-452 – Let poets avoid flatterers. Quinctilius was an honest friend, whose mission it was to tell an author unpleasant truths.
 * 453-476 – A poet goes as mad as Empedocles; let all beware of him and keep out of the way of one who will not be helped.

Editions

 * Ed. Th. K. Arnold, London (1843)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Head browsing

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. -R. fiend 07:03, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Head browsing
Browsing game to find sites using random characters. Deletable cos original research but definitely a candidate for speedy to BJAODN. -- RHaworth 18:33, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * "Don't use any part of your wanger..." OK. This is why drugs are bad, children. Delete. No CSD met in my opinion.--CastAStone 18:47, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Hm, the article definately needs editing, but I don't think deletion is warranted. The game appears orignal, as far as I can see, but perhaps merging might be an option. Any ideas? Delta Seven 00:44, 7 October 2005 (UTC) (actually 81.103.136.218 according to edit history. Uncle G 03:56, 7 October 2005 (UTC))
 * 81.103.136.218, in saying that "the game appears original", ironically puts xyr finger on exactly the problem with this article. The article cites no sources, and I can locate no sources describing this game.  The existence of any such game is unverifiable.  81.103.136.218's and 213.249.155.233's modifications to the article to change one of the rules, without citing a source for the modified versions of the rule, also imply that this is simply made up from whole cloth.  As RHaworth says, this appears to be an attempt to use Wikipedia as a soapbox to advertise (and, indeed, as a free wiki host for constructing the rules for) a newly invented game.  Wikipedia is neither an advertising billboard nor a free wiki host.  It's an encyclopaedia.  The author should use xyr own web site for this sort of thing.  Delete. Uncle G 03:56, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete almost nonsensical -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 04:03, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete What Uncle G said. Dottore So 07:08, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * gtyhvf ... sorry, meant delete - tried to type it with my forehead, didn't work. BD2412  talk 14:51, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. hey, that's gtyhvf.co.uk to you, buster!!! MCB 01:35, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete (monty python voice) 'tis a silly game. Alf melmac 13:50, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.


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George Palmer

George Palmer may refer to:

Politicians

 * George Palmer (MP for South Essex) (1772–1853), English businessman, politician, and philanthropist
 * George Hastings Palmer (1881–1947), politician of Manitoba, Canada
 * George Palmer (British Army officer) (1857–1932), British Conservative Party politician
 * George M. Palmer (1857–?), American politician from New York
 * George William Palmer (British politician) (1851–1913), British politician
 * George William Palmer (New York politician) (1818–1916), American politician
 * George W. Palmer (Virginia politician) (1894–1972), American state senator from Virginia

Sportsmen

 * George Palmer (rugby league) rugby league footballer of the 1950s, for Batley and England
 * George Palmer (Australian cricketer) (1903–1986), Australian cricketer
 * George Palmer (Warwickshire cricketer) (1897–1962), English cricketer, played for Warwickshire in 1928
 * George Palmer (Leicestershire cricketer) (1917–2012), English cricketer, played for Leicestershire and South Australia
 * George Palmer (Australian footballer) (1879–1956), Australian rules footballer
 * Joey Palmer (George Eugene Palmer, 1859–1910), Australian Test cricketer

Others

 * George Palmer (bushranger) (c. 1846–1869), Australian bushranger
 * George Palmer (businessman) (1818–1897), Quaker entrepreneur and biscuit manufacturer of Reading, England
 * George Palmer (colour theorist) (c. 1746–1826), English dye chemist, colour theorist, inventor, and soldier
 * George Palmer (EastEnders), fictional character in the BBC soap opera EastEnders
 * George Palmer (composer) (born 1947), Australian classical composer and judge of the NSW Supreme Court
 * George A. Palmer (1895–1981), American clergyman and broadcaster
 * George Carnegie Palmer, American architect
 * George Henry Palmer (1840–1901), bugler during the American Civil War
 * George Herbert Palmer (1842–1933), American author and philosopher
 * George Josiah Palmer (1828–1892), English founder of Church Times
 * George Palmer (lieutenant colonel), South Australian colonisation commissioner, son of George Palmer, MP for South Essex, above

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User talk:Mroz

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Our Home Planet

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. -R. fiend 07:00, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Our Home Planet
A non notable webcomic with a lot of crufty information in, found here. Alexa gives back a ranking of over 1 million for its main site, and no data for all other mirrors. A google search for "our home planet" webcomic, gives just over 60 links, and there I found no assertion of notability on Google. As of writing, there is no version of this at comixPedia, where it belongs. - Hahnchen 18:34, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * nn. Delete. - --CastAStone 18:39, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Transwiki to the Comixpedia Webcomic Wiki and delete. --Carnildo 21:48, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. If you people are going to continue using the useless and easily exploitable Alexa site to measure popularity, I'll never cease to question the competence of the Webcomics Wikipedia Staff. Also remember the comic is weekly and its statistics won't be as high as comics that update every single day.  The comic has been online almost 4 years and has built up one of the larger archives compared to most weekly comics.  Despite what Alexa tells you, GD is hardly an unknown, and even runs one of the most popular Oekaki sites online.  He is more hard-working and knowledgable than most of the artists that are considered "noteable" on Wikipedia. --SuperHappy 23:50, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * This vote is Special:Contributions/SuperHappy's 17th edit.
 * Excuse me for having a life outside Wikipedia, douchebag.
 * I can vouch that User:SuperHappy isn't a sock. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 06:49, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. Unless wikipedia is too serious for webcomics altogether. Which does not seem to be the case... Agreed on the irrelevance of Alexa ratings. It seems to me the deletion request is motivated by subjective dislike for the subject matter. --Komikksu 17:37, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * This vote is Special:Contributions/Komikksu's first edit.

 * Keep Meets Proposal B, and agreed about Alexa. -Abe Dashiell 18:46, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep per Abe Dashiell. Dread Lord C y b e r S k u l l ✎☠ 00:50, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment - Proposal B is totally out of order. What sort of notability is there here?  Are we saying Wikipedia is a place where every comic which has been around for over 100 strips gains an article?  What about bar room bands who have been around for a while.  What about bloggers with 500 posts?  Longevity as people seem to claim here, is not an instant claim to fame.  Has this strip been mentioned anywhere outside the webcomic community?  Has it received critical feedback and reviews from other respected journals/publications/magazines?  Proposal B, just claims that if a webcomic exists, then it warrants an article.  And people are agreeing?  People have been attacking me from nominating webcomics, because of a personal dislike?  This is totally incorrect, I was just pretty shocked when I saw the List of webcomics article at the amount of cruft that had been let in, which would have been deleted if it were any other category.  Alexa is not definitive, that is easy to see, but to have a rank of over 1 million is pretty poor.  Any reasonably popular webcomic would have a ranking a lot higher.  With non webcomic websites, anything over 1 million would be deleted.  How is this webcomic more notable than Fleetwood Back, a Fleetwood Mac tribute band, who play local venues in Scarborough?  It's time we changed the webcomic guidelines in line with other Wikipedia guidelines. - Hahnchen 16:44, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Hahnchen, just because you haven't heard of GD or Our Home Planet in whatever little retarded circle of webcomics YOU pay attention to doesn't mean they're unimportant. And I find it really hard to believe that your opinion of Our Home Planet has nothing to do with this nomination.  If Proposal B is going to be ignored from now on, throw Proposal A out to, for being completely USELESS.  You're not getting the picture here.  Alexa is not even a REMOTELY good source to measure website readership.  Seeing you obsessively stick to it, despite a great number of people telling you why you shouldn't, makes you look like an ignorant little brat.  INCIDENTALLY, GD recently changed its domain name to one Alexa isn't even tracking yet, which would make whatever number you're seeing even more wildly innacurate than normal.  But since you seem to be ignoring every argument against you, it doesn't matter.  The webcomic listing won't be fixed until it represents your narrow view of what's important.
 * Come to think of it, what webcomics DO you read, Hahnchen? If your answer is "just Penny Arcade and Ctrl-Alt-Del", please do us all a favor and get out. --SuperHappy 00:42, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi SuperHappy, I at least read a bunch of webcomics, including some of yours. That doesn't mean I think it's the purpose of this encyclopedia to list every webcomic in existence. We're trying to discuss the inclusion criteria on WP:COMIC and come to some consensus, but swearing at someone who's trying to maintain some uniform standard of notability for all wikipedia articles (not just webcomics) isn't going to help.  -- SCZenz 01:50, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Haha... Fine, fine... swears have been edited. But let it be known that Hahnchen clearly knows nothing about webcomics, and seeing him beng allowed to assert so much authority on them is puzzling, to say the least. --SuperHappy 03:30, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I think I understand why this debate is so divisive, and I'm trying to work to resolve it. I've written you a note about it on your talk page, SuperHappy. -- SCZenz 03:47, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Wow Superhappy, thanks for the character assassination. What does it matter what I read, what I eat and what I like?  You have asserted no mention of notability anywhere in your arguments, apart from the size of its archive, and that GD is a hardworking guy.  You've got the argument the wrong way round, I do not read Our Home Planet, but that is NOT the reason I nominated it.  There are so many bands that I have never heard of or never listened to, and yet if theres a verifiable assertion of notability, I would not delete it.  What the argument should be, is "Just because you're a fan of the comic, is that the reason it should be kept?" - Hahnchen 14:40, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. All three criteria listed in the helpful template above are far too lenient.  Bottom line is, there's no evidence presented that this comic is notable. -- SCZenz 17:52, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, does not meet any reasonable standards for notability. -Sean Curtin 19:43, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless some proponent can reasonably explain why this subject matters and has truly touched people somehow. Peter S. 22:51, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Meets all three listed proposals with new domain. Deleting this article is less efficient than it is pedantic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.47.82.254 (talk • contribs) 15:53, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * In the future, please sign your comments with four tildes, like this: ~ -- SCZenz 16:03, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. A webcomic has no more automatic claim to notability than any other random website; and certainly a random website like this would need more than just extended existance and continuous updates to be notable. --Aquillion 21:58, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Until such time as WikiProject Webcomics decides to develop guidelines that include independent verification of a webcomics importance pages like this should be treated as just another website. --Allen3 talk 23:55, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, unencyclopedic topic. No claim to notability. Christopher Parham (talk) 06:45, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as a webcomic with no claim to notability. I've removed webcomic notability, as it's currently a summary of three proposed guidelines, meaning that there's not yet any consensus supporting them. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 06:49, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Completely non-notable. Pokemon and high schools are giants of modern culture compared to this. Ashibaka (tock) 23:30, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Juvenile. Especially coming from someone whose crowning achievement is writing the entry for Cardcaptor Sakura.
 * And when this webcomic is as newsworthy or influential as Cardcaptor Sakura, it will merit a Wikipedia article. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 00:01, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * You should have noted the quote on the bottom of my userpage: Mate, keeping or deleting an article is not an insult to whatever the article's about. I'm not notable, and it doesn't bother me in the slightest ;-) --fuddlemark Ashibaka (tock) 16:35, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn. Dragonfiend 03:48, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

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