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Dorothy Masuka

Dorothy Masuka (3 September 1935 – 23 February 2019) was a Zimbabwe-born South African jazz singer.

Music career
Masuka's music was popular in South Africa throughout the 1950s, but when her songs became more serious, the government began questioning her. Her song "Dr. Malan," mentioning difficult laws, was banned and in 1961 she sang a song for Patrice Lumumba, which led to her exile. This exile lasted 31 years in total during which she lived in Zambia and worked as a flight attendant. She returned to Zimbabwe in 1980 after independence.

In August 2011, Dorothy Masuka and Mfundi Vundla, creator of the popular South African soap opera Generations, confirmed plans to make a film of Masuka's life. The film would concentrate on the years 1952 to 1957.

On 27 April 2017 she featured in the concert "The Jazz Epistles featuring Abdullah Ibrahim & Ekaya," at The Town Hall, New York City, opening the show and delivering "one passionate performance after another, warming up and winning over the crowd".

Dorothy Masuka died in Johannesburg on 23 February 2019, at the age of 83.

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User:Dimitrii

I'm new, sort of.

I started by fixing small errors and omissions, anonymously. I knew I should register so no one would have to check on the I.P. edits but never got around to it.

In September 2004, one of those omissions was Heist film from a list of List of movie genres. I created a stub, still anonymous, that was just a definition and a few examples. It was expanded several times and was well on its way to being a respectable, short, article.

Then tragedy struck. :^) I noticed a brand new article covering the same topic, Big caper movie.  It was better formatted and deeper.  I suggested merging them in March 2005.  I was still anonymous and didn't feel up to the task.  User:Lupin took the task and merged the Heist Film content into Big Caper Movie though he (and I) liked Heist Film better.

I got busy and hadn't been back for awhile and decided to register to make some trivial change. While writing this I discovered that several others like Heist Film better than Big Caper Movie because it has been moved back to Heist Film.

I intend to fix errors and omissions as I see them but don't expect to be a major player.

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Ascitans

The Ascitans (or Ascitae, from the Greek ἀσκός, askos, wineskin) were a peculiar Montanist sect of 2nd century Christians, who produced the practice of dancing around burst wine-skins at their assemblies, saying that they were those new bottles filled with new wine, whereof Jesus makes mention, according to the New American Standard Bible translation, Matthew 9:17:

 * "Nor do people put new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the wineskins burst, and the wine pours out and the wineskins are ruined; but they put new wine into fresh wineskins, and both are preserved."

Philastrius thought the sect of the Ascodrugites was the same as the Ascitae, but his etymology of the former is false.

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Talk:Saint Kitts

Food
the article needs info on kittitian food.

Gringo300 15:32, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Importation of slaves: inconsistency

 * "The island originally produced tobacco, but changed to sugar cane in 1640 due to stiff competition from the colony of Virginia. The labour-intensive farming of sugar cane was the reason for the large-scale importation of African slaves. The importation began almost immediately upon the arrival of Europeans to the region."

If sugar cane farming was the reason for the importation, then there was no importation before there was sugar cane farming (or before there was expected to be any). So the third sentence above does not make sense, because the arrival of Europeans to the region was 1538 at the latest (the Jesuit settlement at Diepe). Maybe what is meant is rather "soon after colonization" in 1623, or 17 years before the switch to producing sugar cane. But this remark then does not add any information, and is only a distraction. So when did the importation begin? -Pgan002 08:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Who is "Saint Kitts"?
Hello,

who is the Saint Kitts after whom the island is named? -- 85.179.164.221 03:38, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

 * It was previously named "Saint Christopher" and then changed to Saint Kitts. One theory is.....

(quote) '''Identification. Both islands were discovered by Christopher Columbus on his second voyage to the New World in 1493. Originally, Columbus named the larger island for his patron saint, Saint Christopher, but in the early seventeenth century, British settlers shortened the name to Saint Kitts. Columbus named the smaller neighboring island Nuestra Señora de las Nieves ("Our Lady of the Clouds") because the volcanic mountain in its center usually was encircled by snowlike clouds. When the British arrived, they altered the spelling to Nevis.''' - Source CaribDigita 01:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes the island is named after Saint Christopher. For a few centuries, "Kitt" or "Kit" were very common abbreviations for Christopher, like Bill is an abbreviation for William. For an example of this kind of usage, see Kit Carson. Invertzoo (talk) 01:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Isn't this spam?
"Author Neil Strauss gained citizenship with St. Kitts while writing his book Emergency: This Book Will Save Your Life."

Is this relevant in an article about St. Kitts? Not for me! --Lionni (talk) 12:26, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

---I don't know if it is spam, but it certainly doesn't belong in the intro section (I'm about to read the book, I'll see if it belongs anywhere after I'm done). Naranoth (talk) 05:50, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Awkward Introduction
"The island is situated at 17°15′N 62°40′W / 17.25°N 62.667°W / 17.25; -62.667, about 1,300 miles (2,100 km) southeast of Miami, Florida, in the United States."

That seems to be saying that the island is situated in the United States.

68.223.156.68 (talk) 20:03, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

 * This is fixed now. Invertzoo (talk) 01:27, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Copyright violation?
A large chunk of the Arts and Culture section is copied verbatim from:

http://www.stkittsheritage.com/cultural_heritage.asp

Invertzoo (talk) 01:24, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

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Crime / murder rate
There are a number of reports in the media detailing violent crime (particularly murder) in St. Kitts:

http://www.caribbean360.com/index.php/news/14128.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1110973/Return-noose-St-Kitts-just-hanged-man-decade-believes-way-beat-violent-crime.html

http://www.thestkittsnevisobserver.com/2010/02/26/crime-caribbean.html

The reports seem to indicate that 20 or so murders/year is the average number, which when coupled to a population of under 50,000 gives it a murder rate of 40-ish per 100,000. This would easily put it in the top ten on the murder rate article.

Is there any reason this has not been included? I see sections on crime in articles on other caribbean islands (Jamica even has its own page - Crime in Jamaica) 84.93.175.100 (talk) 19:05, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Bertil Fox
In the Notable residents section, I restored the mention of Bertil Fox's murder conviction as he is as much known for bodybuilding as he is for the murder. I also sourced it. If you object, please say why here and get consensus for its removal. Thank you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:58, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Saddle Hill (Saint Kitts and Nevis)
There is so little information on the Saddle Hill (Saint Kitts and Nevis) page that I don't think it warrants its own article. If the information is accurate, it could be included in the Saint Kitts article. Philmac 16:30, 29 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philmac (talk • contribs)

 * as nobody opposed for the last 2 years :), I have redirected this small article to Nevis (this target article is more specific and already contained a mention of the hill). I also copied the (unsourced) height detail into the main article. GermanJoe (talk) 16:25, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

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nevis has its own flag... and Saint Kitts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.211.80.132 (talk) 08:08, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

 * None that I can find with a quick web search. -- Beland (talk) 02:49, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Bloodhound (missile)

Remaining examples
I'm not 100% sure but Thorpe Camp Visitor Center has a Bloodhound in the museum. I have a photo of it which I can post. Can anyone verify this? Tanis8472 (talk) 20:02, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Not happy
Not sure I am happy with the statement:

"Replaced in RAF service by the Rapier missile."

The capabilities of Bloodhound and Rapier were so different - Bloodhound, med/high altitude, medium range, Rapier, low/med altitude, short range. Of course all that depends on your terminology.

If any entry is required perhaps:

"As at 2005 the only SAM in service with the RAF is [Rapier]."

Bob Moffatt

To correct the designation for Switzerland:

it's BL-64 means Boden-Luft 64 means the year of first deployment, in this case 1964

The Mk 1 has a range of 80 km, the Mk 2 185 km, and the Mk 3 "a longer range (around 75 mile)" - i.e. 120 km. This is shorter, not longer! So which is correct? BobThePirate 17:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Not sure where to put this, but has anyone noticed that a museum model of the Bristol Bloodhound was used as the fictional "Standfast Missile" in the episode Rocket of the TV Series Endeavor Morse? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.90.198.52 (talk) 10:45, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

article name
Any good reason why this article isn't at "Bristol Bloodhound"?GraemeLeggett 16:01, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * None as far as I can see it was never known as "Bloodhound SAM" so I would support a move MilborneOne 08:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I've requested a name move as an uncontroversial proposal. GraemeLeggett 14:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I too agree. Other types have "full" names. Tanis8472 (talk) 21:27, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

raf service
why was this missle taken out of service it seems to still be an effective missle even now plus it would of been cheaper than running some squadrons. an effective air defense is made up of several different parts. fighters,missles,radar. Why did the government remove a part of that system and just leave uk AD with just the tornado f3.Corustar 15:53, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Basically with the dissolution of the fUSSR the fSovs stopped flying all manned bomber flights. Their Bear and Bison bombers were not really credible against the UK anyway, as they were dedicated to naval attack, and with their passing the need for air defense basically dropped to zero. The nuclear deterrent was now SLBM based, both for the fSovs and UK, so the need for a layered air defense in the strategic role simply disappeared. Now we know the CIS is flying Bears again recently, but those 15 aircraft can be considered a bit of a joke. I assure you the F.3 is more than enough to deal with that "threat".
 * If a new aircraft threat were to come forth, which is extremely unlikely, I'd wager the Patriot would be the obvious solution. Although the Bloodhound was certainly a good weapon for its day (there were a few similar though, Hawk and SA-6 are pretty close) the radars and control systems were hopelessly outdated. Bloodhound had limited capability against a Mach 2 target at 60,000 ft at a range of around 50 km, whereas Patriot PAC-2 can intercept IRBMs at Mach 5 at up to 160 km, and attack several lower-speed targets at the same time. Being entirely solid-state, it's also likely to be less expensive to operate, as well as being much more mobile.
 * In the 25 years between the Bloodhound and Patriot we learned a whole lot about solid fuels, electronics, radar and high speed flight. That newer missiles completely outperform the Bloodhound shouldn't be unexpected!
 * Maury 00:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

The mast on the launcher
Does anyone know the purpose of the radio mast on the rear of the launcher? An identical unit can also be seen on the Thunderbird. This suggests it has something to do with the Type 83 radar unit and guidance system, which was common to both missile systems in their first versions.

I have read a description that suggest some sort of guidance signal was sent out of this mast. An RAF article seemed to suggest that it was a reference signal that doppler shifted the raw radar frequency so the missile knew what to look for, but if that is the case then it wouldn't have been used with the Type 83, which was a pulse unit.

More confusingly, when working on the Ferranti Argus article I came across references that suggested the Argus was used to calculate these signals and the pointing angles for a radar dish on the launcher. Clearly such a dish does not exist, and this antenna is obviously omnidirectional, so that's all rather confusing!

Any insights GRATEFULLY appreciated.

Maury 00:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Complete guess - maybe it was used to communicate aiming and "fire" information, as cables doing this could be destroyed by enemy bombing. 80.0.127.106 (talk) 00:32, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

 * As a guess; The mast on the Bloodhound II launcher carries a CW aerial designed to receive ranging information from the Indigo Corkscrew doppler signal which, in conjunction with the Type 86 TIR, uses the missile start (launch) point as a reference, as the launchers may be located some way from the radars and fire control systems, hence missile range is always calculated from its actual launch point, so improving accuracy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.172.235 (talk) 10:46, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Bloodhound site at Bawdsey, Suffolk
Comment moved to Bawdsey Manor 80.0.102.191 (talk) 22:47, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Article name
Bit of a daft idea to rename the article from the common name Bristol Bloodhound. MilborneOne (talk) 10:17, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

"Sebastian de Ferranti agreed to pay back £4.25 million to the government" Incorrect?
I've never contributed to wikipedia before so if I'm breaching etiquette in some way be gentle!

According to wikipedia, Sebastian de Ferranti died in 1930, yet on the bloodhound page the subject statement appears. Both cannot be correct! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.161.213 (talk) 21:30, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes but what about the "bang you're dead" bit at the end of its mission ?
The article needs discussion and explanation of the warhead : how/when activated, how it actually shot down its target, how powerful an explosion etc. Rcbutcher (talk) 07:23, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Expanded slightly. --Old Moonraker (talk) 08:21, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

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Range
There is a slight issue with the range, according to the text the range of the improved Mark 2 is 80 km, meanwhile the range of missile is given as 190 km in the infobox... I would alter it to the text value of 85 km also given in the source - 190 km seems to be the estimated value for the Blue Envoy.Wurelbum (talk) 18:16, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

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Loey Nelson
''Tagged for deletion by User:Quasipalm on October 10. Completing nomination.'' Punkmorten 15:34, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
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 * Delete NN --Rogerd 04:45, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Saltstraumen

Shipping currents!
you may consult the logs and literature of the local ferry services which are a pragmatic account of this feature. Thomas1917 15:34, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Saltstraumen current speed
I have not been able to find a reference for the claim in the existing article of current speeds up to 22 knots. When I look at the Saltstraumen tidal current graph and tables at I have yet to see a current speed over 10 12 knots. Note that these tables use the main channel current speed, which seems appropriate when comparing current speeds with other channels, and is what is used in tide tables used for navigational purposes.

Can anyone point us to a reference for the Saltstraumen of comparable authority as, say, the tidal current table published by Fisheries and Oceans Canada at for Canadian tidal currents?

Ddhawk (talk) 03:04, 9 December 2016 (UTC) 18:22, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Until I (we) can find a reference for the current speed, I have moved the text ", with water speeds reaching 22 knots (41 km/h; 25 mph)" to this talk page. Please let me know if any references can be found. Ddhawk (talk) 18:29, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

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This is written under the section "Name" in this Wikipedia-page: "The first element is the name of the district Salten and the last element is the definite form of straum, meaning "stream" or "water flow"." But under the name section on the Wikipedia page for the district "Salten" this is written: "The district is named after the Saltfjorden (Old Norse: Salpti), and the fjord is probably named after the famous Saltstraumen. Even though the word salt has the same meaning in the modern Norwegian language as in the English language, these names most likely have nothing to do with salt, but are derived from an old (obsolete) word salpt with the meaning "strong stream"."

Both can't be true, but I don't know what version is correct so I can't correct it. DoRullings (talk) 21:58, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

original research
''The above account of the Saltstraumen is rather different than what The Norwegian Pilot reports.[3] The Pilot’s description of the normal current is based on the time of the high tide at Bodø. The greatest southbound current occurs about one and a quarter hours before Bodø high tide, when the inflowing current reaches about seven knots.'' This is not encyclopedic, but it's not clear which paragraph is actually the OR. StarM 14:11, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

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bubba crosby had a collision with chef last night. 216.220.231.226 15:35, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Quality of Writing
This article has a poor quality of writing. "Glorius"? AlanzoB 03:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, be bold and fix it. --rogerd 04:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, I toned down the book report nature of the article. AlanzoB 13:33, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:SU-100

I would like to propose that the SU-100, SU-85 and SU-122 be merged into a single article. The vehicles are basically the same differing guns. Oberiko 15:35, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Front armour
LostArtilleryman, where do you get the armour figures? The table in Zaloga & Grandsen, Soviet Tanks and Combat Vehicles of World War Two, (p. 179) lists hull front 45 mm, hull side 45, hull rear 45, hull roof 20, hull bottom 20, all the same as the SU-122 and SU-85, and the text description makes no mention of up-armouring. Could this be a later upgrade, or a figure referring specifically to the gun mantlet and not hull armour? —Michael Z. 2005-11-8 16:27 Z

 * The front armour figures was taken from Russian book A. Solyankin, I. Zheltov, M. Zheltov, I. Pavlov // Soviet medium self propelled guns 1941-1945.  All other Russian experts (Svirin, Baryatinskiy etc.) confirms this. Probably, some SU-85 was rearmed during repair by D-10S and these vehicles really had 45 mm front armour. I can upload to Wikipedia scans from these books to solve this question. All my native language sources contain 75 mm front armour thickness. LostArtilleryman 17:36, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

 * No need for proof; it sounds like your sources are good. Just wanted to get our facts straight.  —Michael Z. 2005-11-8 17:47 Z

King Tiger?
This was quite capable of defeating any German tank in service with the exception of the King Tiger - the source for this (in Russian) does not really mention any exceptions, it simply states that it could defeat any German armor. This is doubtful to say the least, naturally. I think the real capabilities should be given here instead. Shorr (talk) 18:25, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

150mm from 1000m! isn't it enough for nazies?78.37.188.45 (talk) 00:06, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Invasion of Ukraine??
>In January 2015, video emerged of SU-100 and T-34 armor being being transferred by rail, allegedly to participate in the invasion of Ukraine.

Wat?? I know hohols lost the last remaining of their brains but such bullshit? I don't know why Russian Army if it wanted to invade would use museum vehicles but rather big group of them was shown on Parade 9 May. 85.140.0.87 (talk) 09:57, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

 * I have removed that ridiculous part of the text as it is based on an extremely unreliable source not supported by any evidence whatsoever; it is not clear as to where and when the old tank destroyers featured in the video were actually filmed, but it is well known that the last remaining SU-100s and T-34s participate in the annual Victory Day parade in Russia, so there is nothing unusual about them being transferred by rail to repair locations, from one place to another, etc. Eriba-Marduk (talk) 12:04, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

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Panther tank thicker armor than Tiger?
In the "Development" section:

Is this somehow in the context because they didn't see any Panthers before Summer 1943? If not its simply wrong I would say, no matter if the Panther was maybe "better" because of firepower, mobility and protection, but the Tiger was better armored, not to talk about Tiger II, only maybe Jagdpanther and other versions later were heavier armored than the first Tigers but don't think so, same with weapon, the Tiger II had the even better 88 while the Jagdtiger used once again an heavy FlaK (125mm?).

"The Soviet command also had reports of the Panther tank, that was in development then and possessed thicker armor than the Tiger; both represented an advance in German tank design. Although the Panther was not seen in combat until July 1943, the new generation of German vehicles meant the Red Army would need a new, more powerful main gun for their armoured formations."

Greetings Kilon22 (talk) 06:47, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

I would like to propose that the SU-100, SU-85 and SU-122 be merged into a single article. The vehicles are basically the same differing guns. Oberiko 15:35, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

 * It would make some sense to merge the SU-85 and SU-100 pages; I agree the SU-100 is really an upgrade of the SU-85. However, the SU-122 was developed for a completely different tactical role and deserves separate treatment. The SU-122 was an assault gun to support other arms (infantry and tanks) with direct HE fire. Its antiarmor capability was pretty weak. The SU-85/100 was a dedicated TD. DMorpheus 19:47, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Please note the D-5T gun was an 85mm weapon mounted on the SU-85, KV-85 and very early T-34-85s. The D-25T was the 122mm mounted on the IS-2. DMorpheus 17:02, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

References for SU-85 prototype names
The article currently lists names such as "SU-85-I" and "SU-85-II" for prototype versions. I've not been able to find these in any source other than the dubious JED site. I suspect they may be made up by that site. Normal Soviet practice was to give prototypes object numbers or A-numbers, not roman numeral-suffixes. Any additional references available? Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 21:28, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I have an additional source. I'll update the article tomorrow. Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 21:34, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

 * The ref still points nowhere and the JED site is unsupported by any other source of which I'm aware. DMorpheus (talk) 14:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Here's the source that I added: http://www.battlefield.ru/content/view/64/44/lang,en/

 * And you are cutting and pasting that content complete with typos and poor english usage. Interesting. Fair use? Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 15:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I modified and corrected them. You would notice that if you would look closely at the text. Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 15:35, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Not all of them ;) At any rate, is this fair usage? Have you gotten permission and given credit? Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 17:11, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I think you can say that I'm giving a credit by using footnotes in which I mention the source. The text can be even further modified if it's absolutely necessary. Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 17:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

 * There may be a policy violation here. Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 17:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Ok I'll modify the text when I'll have time. Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 17:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

 * The page will be blanked under wikipedia policy if this isn't dealt with. DMorpheus (talk) 17:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I deleted the nonsense with the numerous made-up variants. There were only two Soviet variants, the SU-85 and SU-85M. Regards, DMorpheus2 (talk) 19:14, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Postwar use: sources
"In addition to the Second World War, the SU-85 was used in combat by North Korea in the Korean War, by Egypt in the 1956 Suez Crisis, and by both Egypt and Syria in the 1967 Six-Day War (Perrett 1987:84).[dubious – discuss]"

I'm not sure this is a credible source or statement. SU-100s were used by Egypt and Syria - but SU-85s? I've also never heard of them being used in Korea. DPRK units had SU-76 and T-34-85. I suggest we find another source to back this claim. Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 15:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Anyone have another source on this? DMorpheus (talk) 12:44, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Yes, please check elsewhere if possible. Perrett has either mistyped a name or transposed two paragraphs, so what he writes is a bit confusing (I've tried to interpret it conservatively). —Michael Z. 2008-05-02 18:40 Z

 * I haven't found a reference for this so I deleted it. DMorpheus (talk) 17:08, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Unclear sentence
" Unike earlier Soviet self-propelled guns which were meant to serve as either assault guns or mobile anti-tank weapons, this vehicle was a dedicated tank destroyer. "

Can someone please explain the meaning of this sentence? How is a mobile anti-tank gun "unlike" a tank destroyer please? I understand how assault guns are different. I don't see the second distinction and question this content. Thanks. DMorpheus (talk) 13:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Just checking in. If there is no distinction between these two terms I will revert back to a more sensible version of the sentence, i.e."Earlier Soviet self-propelled guns were meant to serve as either assault guns or mobile anti-tank weapons; the SU-85 fell into the second category" or something similar. regards, DMorpheus (talk) 19:38, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

 * That sounds right to me. —Michael Z. 2008-08-22 04:15 z

 * Edit made. DMorpheus (talk) 13:05, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

 * In the intro it says: "The SU-85 (Samokhodnaya ustanovka 85) was a Soviet self-propelled gun used during World War II, based on the chassis of the T-34 medium tank. Earlier Soviet self-propelled guns were meant to serve as either assault guns, such as the SU-122, or as tank destroyers; the SU-85 fell into the latter category"
 * What is it now... is it a Tank destroyer type, or is it artillery? This sentence makes no sence. 86.82.5.180 (talk) 10:14, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

 * The sentence has been there for 8 years. It makes sense. Self-propelled artillery includes both assault guns and TDs. DMorpheus2 (talk) 11:38, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Possible copyright violations
Some of the content in this article may be too close a copy from the self-published site "battlefield.ru" cited in the sources(http://www.battlefield.ru/content/view/64/44/lang,en/). The following are examples only and are not meant to be an exhaustive list of possible issues.

 * 1. SU-85 article: "Simultaneously, the TsAKB design bureau, with its chief designer V.Grabin, started design work on changing the armament of the SU-122 to the existing 85 mm S-18 gun, which was originally developed for KV heavy tanks. Since the gun was already nearly obsolete, it was improved with a new mantlet and gun cradle. After these improvements were carried out, the S-18 gun was delivered to the Uralmash factory."
 * Battlefield.ru: "Simultaneously, the TsAKB (a design bureau lead by V.Grabin) has started their works on rearming SU-122 with already existed 85 mm S-18 gun. Initially, that has been developed for KV heavy tanks. A slightly improved, with new gun mantlet and new gun-cradle, S-18 was delivered to the Uralmash."

 * 2. SU-85 article: "Initially the designers couldn't find a way to install the 85 mm S-18 gun in the casemate of the SU-122 because the gun breech was big. Uralmash stopped design work on the vehicle, because modifying the hull was extremely expensive at a time when simplicity and cheapness were very important to the Soviet military and heavy industry."

 * Battlefield.ru: "However the attempt to install it in the standard compartment of SU-122 was failed because of too big breech end of the gun. Uralmash tried to reject all further works cause it led to modernisation of a whole hull, thus it led to a big expenses."

 * 3.SU-85 article: "SU-85-I[1], the first SU-85 prototype, used a standard hull of the SU-122 fitted with a new gun cradle and a new pig-nose-style ball mantlet for the gun. A proposed coaxial machine gun for this model was abandoned because of a lack of space"

 * Battlefield.ru: "The first one - the SU-85-I - had a standard hull of the SU-122, but had the new gun-cradle and the new gun mantlet. The initially proposed coaxial machine-gun was later removed because of lack of room. "

 * 4.SU-85 article: "SU-85-IV[1], which was the second prototype, also used the SU-122 chassis, but it had a larger ball mantlet. Both prototypes used the problematic 85 mm S-18 gun."

 * Battlefield.ru: "The second one - the SU-85-IV - was based on the SU-122 as well, but had a modified front. Both self-propelled guns were armed with the 85 mm Tank Gun S-18."

I will tag the article.

Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 12:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Let me guess... I will have to rewrite it because you won't because of whatever. Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 13:09, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

 * The discussion on this very page, above from April 08, shows that I gave you fair warning months ago regarding this policy. Your own talk page provides a similar trail. I have tried to fix many of the grammatical and sourcing problems with this article before tagging it. This has gone well beyond what I can or should do alone. Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 13:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I rewrote that part months ago and everything seemed fine. Now suddenly you attack while I thought the whole dispute was done with. I have informed you on your talk page of me rewriting that part (It was back in May if I remember correctly). You should have informed me that my rewrite was "inadequate". Now we have to await a million years for an administrator to show up. Congratulations. Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 13:30, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Self-published Refs
I removed all references to the JED site. DMorpheus (talk) 17:09, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:SU-122

I would like to propose that the SU-100, SU-85 and SU-122 be merged into a single article. The vehicles are basically the same differing guns. Oberiko 15:35, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

This image is grossly incorrect for the SU-122. It is quite obviously an SU-85. The name of the image even calls it an SU-85. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.184.91.69 (talk • contribs)

 * Whoever named the file misidentified the vehicle. Click on the big picture and have a close look—the gun barrel is no more than two metres long.  The SU-85's gun is much longer.  —Michael Z. 2005-11-30 04:04 Z

 * Whoever made the image photoshopped it. Look at the mantlet, it is clearly the ball shaped mantlet of the Su-85. The Su-122's gun mantlet was brick shaped. Look: http://www.2iemeguerre.com/blindes/images/su122_PHOTO.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by USMA2010 (talk • contribs)

 * Like many other things on Soviet AFVs, I think the new mantlets were phased in, and possibly retrofitted to older vehicles during repair or refurbishment. I think I may be able to find a specific reference for the SU-122's mantlet; stay tuned.  —Michael Z. 2006-02-08 19:02 Z

 * Zaloga (1984), p. 160–61 has pictures of SU-122s with both mantlet styles, including the caption for photo 233: "Late production batches of the SU-122 used the same ball socket mantlet of the SU-85." —Michael Z. 2006-02-08 20:22 Z

"Whoever made the image photoshopped it"—please assume just a bit of good faith before making unfounded accusations. —Michael Z. 2006-02-08 20:31 Z

 * Here is my rather solid proof:
 * http://wwiivehicles.com/ussr/tank_destroyers/su85/su_85_01.jpg

 * Su-85, exact same image. Note the long barrel, not to mention the fact that the cannon shown in ::the current image is both too long and too narrow to be based on the 122mm M-30 series. Compare ::that to what we can all identify to the Su-122 III.

 * http://www.weapon.df.ru/tanks/sovsau/medium/su122m.jpg --USMA2010

 * It's not photoshopped, it's just such a contrasty, over-jpegged scan that the white weather-cap on the muzzle completely disappears. But I think you are correct that it is an SU-85.

 * It is interesting what a difference a few degrees of angle makes in the apparent length of the gun, e.g. photos #2 and #3 at wwiivehicles.com. Also note the minor differences in the mantlet of the 122M and 122-3 at weapon.df.ru; I think the M was only a prototype; only the 122-3, with mantlet resembling an SU-85's, was built. —Michael Z. 2006-02-08 21:18 Z

 * The weather cap was a possibility that I considered at first, but then I noticed the next AFV down the line, definatly a Su-85. Its barrel was uncapped, so I didn't really think that one would have it on and the other wouldn't. When I found the exact same picture upon doing a Google image search for "Su-85 1944" I became suspicious.

 * Thanks to whoever removed the image. I'm still fairly new to the whole Wikipedia editing experience, so I still need some practice before I can go off and do anything like that. Now, seeing as how the majority of Su-122 examples did in fact have the boxier style mantlet, I think it would be best if the next image to be displayed is an earlier production example. ---USMA2010

 * That was me. Feel free to edit whatever way you judge to be appropriate, but it's always a good idea to explain why you are doing something in the edit summary.  If you are changing something that seems well established, it can be a good idea to leave a note in discussion first, but don't worry about making mistakes—they can be corrected or reverted.

 * It would be good to have photos of both types to explain the variation, but unfortunately there don't seem to be any scans of SU-122s on Wikipedia or the commons at all. —Michael Z. 2006-02-09 04:35 Z

Wrong image
There was a wrong image, added by Megapixie. SU-100 SPG is pictured on it. I replaced it by correct image of SU-122. LostArtilleryman 05:29, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

SU-122 Variants
There are some incorrect facts in this section. According to my native Russian AFV experts book A.G.Solyankin et al. "Soviet medium self-propelled guns 1941-1945", there were four subvariants of SU-122:

 * Prototype of SU-122 (or U-35 vehicle) - upper front armour from two plates under different angles, uncomfortable gun mount
 * Series SU-122 - single front armour plate, improved gun mounting. During production period there were some minor variations (number of ventilators, crew downsized from 6 to 5 men)
 * Prototype SU-122M with D-11 howitzer in ball mounting
 * Prototype SU-122-III with D-6 howitzer

There was not any SU-122s on the SU-100 base - it is quite obvious confuse with SU-85M variant. LostArtilleryman 05:45, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikip article length & writing style
This article does not need to begin with the story of why tanks were invented or the Red Army's experiments with SPGs in the 1920s....nor should it invent new terms like "SPH". A link to History of the tank will do that quite well.

This is what the web is about - give the content that is relevant to the immediate subject and use links for anything that might be supplemental or related. A user who wants info on some of this background stuff should be offered the chance to easily get to it - but should not be forced to wade through peripheral material and run-on sentences.

If an article on Red Army self-propelled artillery of the 1920s and 30s is needed, great, let's write it. But not here.

Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 16:42, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

If the material also exists in the SU-57-2 article that is all the more reason to not re-create teh same error here. Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 16:45, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Please show me the article that has this information. Just show it to me. Nothing? So lets keep it here until such an article will be created.

 * SPH stands for Self-Propelled Howitzer. See SPH if you don't believe me.

 * Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 17:07, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

 * You are getting precisely the same feedback from other editors on other articles. if you see the need for a separate article on this important content, create it. It doesn't belong here. Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 17:10, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Please guard against copyright violations
Please do not quote from sources unless the text is shown in quotes and credited. Cut-and-paste from other sources is a no-no. Thanks. DMorpheus (talk) 12:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Examples:
 * 1. http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=60&Itemid=50: “In April 1942, the GAU ordered several design bureaus to develop an assault guns with 122 mm armament or even greater. “

 * SU-122 article: “GAU ordered several design bureaus to develop an assault gun armed with 122 mm gun or even greater.”

 * 2. http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=60&Itemid=50 Battlefield.ru: "The crew of five men was placed as follows: driver's station at the left front hull, gunner's station at the left behind the driver, commander's station was at the right front and the two loaders (the M-30 loaded separately) were behind the howitzer's breech."

 * SU-122 article: "The five crew members were stationed as follows: driver on the left hand side of the front of the hull, gunner behind the driver, commander on the right hand side of the front of the hull and two loaders (the M-30S was loaded separately) behind the howitzer's breech."

 * 3. http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=60&Itemid=50 Battlefield.ru: "It was based on the new concept of total unification of basic elements and parts of Soviet tanks. "
 * SU-122 article: "It was based on the new concept of total unification of basic elements and parts of Soviet tanks."

 * 4. http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=60&Itemid=50 Battlefield.ru: "This is a quotation from the original report written by Major Gomille, commander of the III.(Tiger) Abteilung/Panzer Regiment (Panzer-Division Grossdeutschland):
 * "...Hauptmann von Villerbois, commander of the 10.Kompanie, was severely wounded during this action. His Tiger was hit eight times by 12.2 cm shells from the assault guns on T-34 chassis. One hit penetrated the hull side. The turret was hit six times, three of which resulted only in small dents, while two hits caused fractures and small pieces to break off. The six hit broke out a large piece (about two hand widths) from the turret armor that flew into the fighting compartment. The entire electrical firing circuit for the main gun was knocked out by the hits and several vision blocks were destroyed or broke out of the weak holders. The weld seam on the hull was sprung open for about 50 cm from the location of the penetration, so that it wasn't possible for the Werkstatt-Kompanie (maintenance company - Valeri Potapov) to repair it".

 * SU-122 article: "According to a report from 31 August 1943 written by Major Gomille, commander of the III.(Tiger) Abteilung/Panzer Regiment (Panzer-Division Grossdeutschland), a Tiger that belonged to Hauptmann von Villerbois, commander of the 10th Company (who was severely wounded as a result of this attack) was hit eight times by 122 mm shells fired from assault guns based on the T-34 chassis. One shell penetrated the Tiger's side armour while six shells hit the turret. Three of them made small dents in the armour and two of them caused fractures and small pieces to break off. The last shell to hit the turret caused a big piece to break off (about two hand widths) which flew into the fighting compartment.
 * The attack knocked out the entire electrical firing circuit for the main gun and destroyed several vision blocks or broke them out of the weak holders. The weld seam on the hull was sprung open for about 50 cm from the location of the penetration, so it wasn't possible for the Werkstatt-Kompanie (maintenance company) to repair it.[1]"

 * DMorpheus (talk) 13:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Here's a rewritten version:

 * On 31 August 1943 Major Gomille, commander of the III.(Tiger) Abteilung/Panzer Regiment (Panzer-Division Grossdeutschland) filed a report according to which, a Tiger commanded by Hauptmann von Villerbois, commander of the 10th Company received eight hits from assault guns armed with 122 mm howitzers based on the T-34 chassis. One of the said shells managed to penetrate the Tiger's side armour. The six other shells managed to hit the turret. The following damages were done to the turret: Three shells made small dents and two shells caused small pieces to fall off. The sixth shells made a bigger fragment fall off (it was about two hand widths big). It flew into the fighting compartment most probably causing injures among the crew members.
 * As a result of this attack the following happened: entire electrical firing circuit of the main gun was knocked out, several vision blocks were either destroyed or broken off and Hauptmann von Villerbois was severely wounded. The shells that hit the hull caused the weld seam to sprung open for about 50 cm from where the shell penetrated the armour, therefore the Werkstatt-Kompanie (maintenance company) wasn't able to repair it.

 * Is this ok or do you still see a problem with it? Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 15:45, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

 * This is merely my opinion, not wikipedia policy, but I think the new version is both an example of poor writing and thinly-disguised plagiarism. So it doesn't fundamentally address the problem. But let's let an administrator or other editors decide because I am not neutral. Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 16:08, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Look all you do is say things like "this is a copyright violation" and "this is an example of poor writing". If that's the case than why won't you try to help. It seems as if you're spending more time on letting the world know about the copyright violation than actually helping the article get rid of it. It's just my opinion. Regards - SuperTank17 (talk) 16:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

 * The reason I tagged the article is to invite others into this conversation. I don't feel I can be objective because I have edited behind you so frequently. I would not have taken the step of tagging the article if this was your first time skirting up against the copyright issue, but it isn't. An administrator will be much more skilled at this stuff than I am. DMorpheus (talk) 17:04, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

 * So you want me banned? Because basically that's the theme that I sense from you each time we meet. I don't know why you hold such a grudge against me, is it only because of me sometimes taking shortcuts in my additions to Wikipedia (coping the text from sources instead of rewriting it) or because you hate me in general. Anyway all I want to do is improve Wikipedia and I admit that, as I said already, I've taken a few shortcuts a few times when adding information from an English source but if it is really such a big of a deal that you have stop all works on an article just for an admin to get here and restart those works than I'll make sure to rewrite everything I add from English sourced from now on. Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 17:12, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Also I would like to know why you tagged the entire article (except for the infobox) as copyright violation? I thought that only that one paragraph in Service history section was a copyright violation. Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 00:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Because I did not received an answer for two days during which user DMorpheus was active as shown by his talk page I decided to move the Copyviocore template to the specific paragraph a dispute is here about. Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 15:23, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I urge you to wait and see what an administrator's guidance on this may be. DMorpheus (talk) 15:31, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Here is a fifth example:

From the cited source: http://www.jedsite.info/tanks-tango/tango-numbers-su/t-34_series/su122/su122-intro.html

"They first saw combat on the Volchov Front in the winter of 1942-1943, and it took part in the Battle at Kursk. It proved to be effective as an assault gun, delivering direct fire during attacks on strongpoints. However the guns armour penetration was less than expected and therefore a HEAT projectile was developed, but it was only accurate at short ranges and its penetration was still disapointing."

From the article: "The SU-122 did reasonably well in combat against the Wehrmacht, although the HEAT round for its gun didn't perform up to expectations. The SU-122 proved effective in direct fire on strongholds. The armour penetration value of the 122 mm howitzer was less than expected, so the new BP-460A HEAT projectile was developed and used from May 1943. However, this also didn't perform up to expectations as it was only accurate at short ranges and its penetration was still disappointing.[1][5]"

Not verbatim but awfully close. DMorpheus (talk) 15:41, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

 * The part about doing "reasonably well in combat against the Wehrmacht" was here before I even touched the article. I also believe that it can't be considered as copyright violation because it is not exactly the same. Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 16:19, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

 * UPDATE: I rewrote the sentence so it no longer infringes on copyright (not that it did before). Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 16:23, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

 * This isn't about you, it's about the article. I haven't taken the time to see who inserted that paragraph. It doesn't matter that much; the point is for any editor who is copying content to stop doing it. As for whether it's a violation, an administrator can decide. When I see text copied almost verbatim from another source I tend to get cautious, especially since I can recall older versions that were even closer to a cut-and-paste job. Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 16:27, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

←Thank you for locating this issue. I have revised infringing or derivative text that I have identified at the identified source at. If there are additional infringements remaining from other sources, please note these or re-tag the article and relist it at the copyright problems board. I have some concerns that the source in question, battlefield.ru, though evidently an impressive site, may constitute a "self published source". I note that the referenced page offers no clarification on where it draws its information. The article would likely be improved by the location of better sources to substantiate this information. I have tagged it self-published accordingly. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:21, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Soviet tank production
Soviet tank and AFV production never stopped in 1941-42 and not every factory moved (STZ for example did not move, and not all of the Kirov plant moved). This is another example of content that, if referenced properly, belongs in another article, not the SU-122 article. Perhaps soviet tank production article? Not here, because the issue is not unique to or owned by the SU-122. DMorpheus (talk) 22:18, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

 * It is related to SU-122 because after some of the factories finished moving east it became possible to again start working on SPGs. Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 00:25, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Is that your original research or do you have a source on that? Is it relevant to this article or more to Soviet AFVs in general? DMorpheus (talk) 15:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Proposal for subdividing this article.
This page is filling up and is in danger of getting too long.

I suggest creating a new article called "Development of the Soviet Self-Propelled Howitzer in World War 2" and moving much of the information here to that.

Any objections?-- S Marshall  Talk / Cont  13:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

 * A part about early SPG development in Soviet Union was already deleted. All the information here directly concerns the SU-122. Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 15:04, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

 * No problem--I won't, then. :)- S Marshall   Talk / Cont  16:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Not so, the original suggestion is quite a good one. There is a lot here in this article that more properly belongs elsewhere. DMorpheus (talk) 15:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I disagree. You already deleted a part that had a small relevance to SU-122. Isn't that enough for you? Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 16:11, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Service history
I deleted the uncited, unsourced claim that any SU-122s entered Wehrmacht service. There is no source to back this at present. Two sources previously cited include one low-quality self-published site, and one with a photo of a single vehicle. This SU-122 is unquestionably in German hands; whether it is in operational service is a different matter. There is no way to tell. Although I suspect it is under evaluation, my suspicion is no more a credible source than any other speculation. Therefore, all we can say is that the Germans captured at least one SU-122. What they did with it, we don't know. Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 17:30, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Rewrite
I just did a quick re-write to address some of the tagging concerns raised over the last couple months. I eliminated all self-published references and references to plastic model kit instructions. I did an extensive copyedit. I shortened what I felt was undue weight given to prototypes and variants that never reached production (some of which was duplicative anyway). I took out some content that is questionable in terms of copyright. I slightly reorganized the article so that all variants are in a single section. I think the article still needs some better referencing but it is hopefully in better shape than it was. DMorpheus (talk) 14:17, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I've never done this before, looking for a little help. The close range commentary about the effectiveness of the HE round for the 122mm gun violates the basic principles of how HE penetration works, versus AP shot. I've rewritten this, along with a link to a US Army publication at the University of Nebraska with copies of Soviet provided information on the Mean Variance on this SU-122. Please note the vehicle involved is not clear, however a 122mm armed SP gun in 1943 must be the SU-122 as there is no other vehicle in production at that time. My cite format is terrible, and one of the two cites didn't copy on the main article. I was editing the last full paragraph of the "Service Hitory" secton. http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1164&context=usarmyresearch

Soviet table are different than other countries tables in what numbers they use reference 50% dispersion values and means. A very good web-published page on how to compare these tables is my second reference. Again, this is a simple understanding of statistics and math, and I included the cite so people can explore the issue by someone who has already written an excellent exposition. http://www.panzer-war.com/page34.html

Shawnmmcc (talk) 22:01, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

 * Looking through the article, I came across this comment and have a couple of questions:
 * Trials ran from 30 November to 19 December 1942, and uncovered various faults in the design, including insufficient elevation, a flawed shell transfer mechanism, poor ventilation for the crew compartment, and the fact that the commander had to assist in operating the gun, which made him unable to successfully carry out his other duties.
 * First of all, did the commander have to give ALL his attention to this at the expense of his other duties or was this merely a distraction which he didn't need in combat? Secondly, was this aspect one of the things which was fixed with the re-design of the fighting compartment? Flanker235 (talk) 09:22, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

German SU-122
I just happened to be flipping through Zaloga 1984, and my eyes lit on one of the photos of an SU-122 with German markings. FYI: Zaloga's caption reads in part “This particular SU-122 was captured by the Germans and sent to Prague for trials.” Page 160, in case it's needed for a reference. —Michael Z. 2008-08-27 00:13 z

 * I thought that photo might be the BMM plant in Prague where the Hetzer was built...but with all the unsourced stuff in the article at the time I didn't think it was a good idea to add yet more speculation. DMorpheus (talk) 15:15, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

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HERA-B

The HERA-B detector was a particle physics experiment at the HERA accelerator at the German national laboratory DESY that collected data from 1993 to 2003. It measured 8 m × 20 m × 9 m and weighed 1000 tons. The HERA-B collaboration consisted of some 250 scientists from 32 institutes in 13 countries.

Its primary aim was to measure CP violation in the decays of heavy B mesons in the late 1990s, several years ahead of the Large Hadron Collider and B Factory programs. Unlike most particle physics detectors, the particles were produced not by colliding two circulating beams head-on, nor by slamming the beam into a stationary target, but by moving a thin wire target directly into the waste 'halo' of the circulating proton beam of the HERA accelerator. The beam was unaffected by this 'scraping' but the collision rate produced could be made extremely high, around 5 to 10 million interactions per second (5–10 MHz). The collaboration developed a novel scheme for moving the wires and the vertex detectors very close to the beam (less than one centimetre), using a vacuum chamber and motorised 'arms', had to be developed.

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SS Virtus Lanciano 1924

S.S. Virtus Lanciano 1924 is an Italian association football club, based in Lanciano, Abruzzo. It last played in Serie B in 2015–16 as Virtus Lanciano. Virtus Lanciano now competes in youth football only.

History
The club was founded in 1919 and refounded in 2008 with the name S.S. Virtus Lanciano 1924. That year S.S. Lanciano S.r.l. bankrupted; anew company S.S. Virtus Lanciano 1924 acquired the sports title by using the Article 52 of N.O.I.F.

In the season 2011–12 it was promoted to Serie B for the first time under the guidance of Carmine Gautieri, who also led the team to its debut season in the second tier, and ended in a safe mid-table position.

Virtus Lanciano gained national news in end-2013 after the club, now headed by Marco Baroni, surprised the whole country by leading the league table undefeated, against all odds, by the end of October.

The club ended the 2015–16 season with relegation, and successively renounced to register for the new Lega Pro season due to financial and administrative issues. The first team was excluded altogether from the Italian football league pyramid.

As of 2020–21 season, Virtus Lanciano still runs their youth teams, and have derbies with the illegitimate successor, Lanciano 1920.

Illegitimate Phoenix club
After Virtus Lanciano was withdrew from the Italian football pyramid, another club, A.S.D. Marcianese, renamed itself as A.S.D. Lanciano Calcio 1920. That club claimed as a Phoenix club of Virtus Lanciano.

That club promoted from Prima Categoria to Promozione and then Eccellenza Abruzzo in 2019.

Colors and badge
The team's official colors are red and black.

Notable former players

 * 🇮🇹 Alessio Cragno (2016)

Managers

 * 🇮🇹 Fabrizio Castori (1998–99), (2000–03)
 * 🇮🇹 Maurizio Pellegrino (2004–05)
 * 🇮🇹 Francesco Monaco (2005–06)
 * 🇮🇹 Andrea Camplone (2006–07)
 * 🇮🇹 Francesco Moriero (2007–08)
 * 🇮🇹 Eusebio Di Francesco (2008–09)
 * 🇮🇹 Dino Pagliari (2009–10)
 * 🇮🇹 Andrea Camplone (2010–11)
 * 🇮🇹 Carmine Gautieri (2011–13)
 * 🇮🇹 Marco Baroni (2013–14)
 * 🇮🇹 Roberto D'Aversa (2014–16)
 * 🇮🇹 Primo Maragliulo (2016)

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Talk:Indian Institute of Planning and Management

※ Please add newer discussions at the bottom of this page.

Newsweek Article
"Manipulating Wikipedia to Promote a Bogus Business School"
 * http://www.newsweek.com/2015/04/03/manipulating-wikipedia-promote-bogus-business-school-316133.html

 * "Wifione's primary purpose from that point appeared to be to monitor IIPM’s Wikipedia page. If criticism of the business school appeared, Wifione would use its influence to remove it, according to the Arbitration Committee. In 2009, Careers360, an English-language magazine about the Indian education industry, started publishing a series of investigative stories about IIPM. The magazine noticed that in its advertising literature, IIPM claimed it was linked to a Belgian business school called IMI Belgium, styling its course as a premium “European MBA.” But Careers360 published what it said was a letter from Belgian education authorities saying IMI Belgium was not accredited and had no legal authority to grant MBAs. (The Delhi High Court found IMI Belgium was nothing more than an “alter ego or another face of IIPM.”)  IIPM also advertised partnerships with a number of foreign institutions, including the University of Buckingham in Britain. Careers360 reported that Buckingham University had told it that it had no formal agreement with IIPM—a report judged to be true by a court in the Indian state of Uttarakhand that dismissed a libel suit over the story. The magazine also reported that many of IIPM’s graduates were unable to find work or ended up working for IIPM as lecturers, at much lower salaries than they might have expected from the advertising that had lured them. The magazine also found that neither of India's official educational bodies had accredited IIPM's so-called MBAs. (The Delhi court ruling confirmed this too.)"

Looks like this should be incorporated some way. Thanks, Jake Ocaasit | c 20:22, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * If you're interested in history, look at the Jimbo Wales talk from 2013. -- Aronzak (talk) 20:33, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2015
$31,000 is not equal to 2 million INR or the respective figures are misleading. Pumping wrong propaganda for the prospectives.

50.199.228.97 (talk) 16:33, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. —  17:50, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2015
Request the inclusion of this link. Please read the article to see if it has any relevance to this Wikipedia page :

http://www.newsweek.com/2015/04/03/manipulating-wikipedia-promote-bogus-business-school-316133.html

Everywhere Spirit (talk) 10:37, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Asking for discussion is fine but edit request templates are used when you are presenting specific changes. --Neil N  talk to me 13:53, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The editor asked for 'inclusion' not 'discussion'. The link and a brief summary of its content is already present in the article, see Indian_Institute_of_Planning_and_Management. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 15:31, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Misuse of Infobox university - since it's NOT a university.
What should we do about the misuse of Infobox university - since it's NOT a university? I changed it to Infobox school.--Elvey(t•c) 10:27, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2015 - Police register cheating case against IIPM dean Arindam Chaudhuri
The crime branch of Delhi Police has registered a case against management guru and founder of IIPM (Indian Institute of Planning and Management) Arindam Chaudhuri on a complaint by the University Grants Commission (UGC), stating that the institute is ‘cheating’ and ‘fooling’ its students as it is not recognised by any regulatory body.

In its complaint, the UGC said that the institute did not have any permission to give management degrees.

A case under section 420 (cheating) of the IPC was registered against the institute’s dean Arindam Chaudhuri and the director, also his father, Malayendra Kisor Chaudhuri. Police said they are investigating the case and may initiate action next week.

Official Newspaper website Reference: http://www.hindustantimes.com/newdelhi/police-register-cheating-case-against-iipm-dean-arindam-chaudhuri/article1-1345927.aspx

121.242.225.20 (talk) 13:05, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. —  22:06, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 May 2015
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/fir-against-iipm-founder-arindam-chaudhuri-after-ugc-accuses-him-of-misleading-students/545227-3.html

Delhi Police have registered an FIR against Arindam Chaudhuri, founder of Indian Institute of Planning and Management (IIPM), on the basis of a complaint by the University Grants Commission of "misleading, cheating and fooling" its students as its courses were not acknowledged by any recognised authority.

59.97.12.240 (talk) 19:50, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

 * Suggected to decline; FIR simply means that police formally registered the complaint. Since the whole affair is rather old news, this fact is nonnotable. Staszek Lem (talk) 20:52, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

 * News isn't non-notable just because it's old. This particular coverage isn't old either, dated today. On balance though, the reference may be useful to add to an existing sentence with suitable revision, but I see no need to belabor with excessive verbage what seems to be a routine police procedure. ~Amatulić (talk) 21:41, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was not clear. I was not talking about this specific episode. I am talking about the overall conviction of IIPM. There is no doubt there is a flurry of follow-up lawsuits. To list them all here is hardly encyclopedic. In this particular case it is not even a lawsuit; it is just a preliminary filing of a complaint. Staszek Lem (talk) 02:18, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. —   12:48, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 21:45, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

New addition
The content you are trying to add has a few problems:

First, you have been changing the meaning of sentences to their opposite meaning, misrepresenting reliable sources already cited. That isn't acceptable.

Second, the content you want to add is in the wrong place. The lead section (see WP:LEAD) should provide an overview of the article body, and nothing you are trying to add in the lead is mentioned in the body.

Third, you're trying to use the lead section for breaking news.

The WP:BURDEN to add new material rests on the person who wants to add it. To meet that burden, you need to convince others that it's warranted. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:55, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I'll add that there is a place for what you want to add, but not where you are insisting on adding it. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:28, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

 * I am not associate with IIPM in any way. I am just a news reader and keep myself updated with the latest news. Doesnt Wikipedia acknowledge Supreme court and High court verdict? I am posting edit which are from reliable source and they are Supreme court verdict lodged in the legal book of the supreme court? Why is my edit always being cancelled when I am just posting Supreme court's verdict???? Shivarjun Das (talk) 22:41, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

 * Other single-purpose accounts like yours have appeared here in the past, intent on whitewashing the article as you have done, and who were all associated with IIPM. We assumed good faith for them too when they denied a conflict of interest, which turned out to be false. So when a new single-purpose account appears doing similar activity, forgive me if I seem jaded based on past experience. You may indeed be independent, but it is certainly hard to tell.
 * To answer your question: Yes, Wikipedia acknowledges reliable source reporting on such verdicts. We can add the material in the proper place, without misrepresenting sources as you did, and without subverting the historical record already in the article. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:32, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I have added a couple of sentences referencing this court decision in the history section. It isn't germaine to any paragraph in the lead. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:36, 10 March 2023 (UTC)


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Cover of the Steel Pulse album Handsworth Revolution.


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Antony Gardner

Antony (Tony) John Gardner (27 December 1927 – 16 October 2011) was a British Labour Party politician. He sat in the House of Commons from 1966 to 1970.

A son of a gardener who worked in Dorset, Gardner was educated at an elementary school and then at Co-operative College and the University of Southampton.

He worked in the engineering industry, then did national service, after which he worked in the building trade until 1953. He was President of the Southampton University Union from 1958 to 1959, and worked as an education officer for the Co-operative Union from 1959 to 1966.

He unsuccessfully contested Wolverhampton South West at the 1964 general election, and was elected at the 1966 general election as the Member of Parliament (MP) for Rushcliffe. He was defeated at the 1970 general election by Kenneth Clarke of the Conservative Party. After his defeat, he became the principal information officer of the Central Council for Education and Training in Social Work.

At the February 1974 and October 1974 general elections, Gardner stood unsuccessful in the Beeston constituency.

He moved to the south coast and at the 1994 European Parliament election stood for Labour in Dorset and East Devon. He died on 16 October 2011.

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Talk:Danish People's Party

Various Ideologies
I'm a new user to Wikipedia, but looked at the various ideologies in infoboxes over the years. I've noticed that while "National conservatism" is in the infobox, other ideologies that are related to it (i.e. "Social conservatism" and "Anti-immigration) are along side it. I struggle to understand why they are a part of the "Ideology" parametre, but I understand why they are in the "Ideology" section. Shouldn't the "Ideology" parametre be for general ideologies, not in-detail ones such as the ones I've stated above? ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 17:36, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

 * The purpose of the infobox is to summarize the article, which in this case means to not bloat it with ideologies. In the case of DF, nationalism and right-wing populism seem to be its main ideologies, something which is backed up by a dozen of reliable sources. The rest of ideologies that are present right now could be moved to the "Policies" section. Vacant0 (talk) 20:31, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

 * The ideologies in the infobox could be:

 * National conservatism
 * Right-wing populism

ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 10:43, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

 * The usage of nationalism is more common than national-conservatism amongst scholars and news media (see here and here), so I'd rather go with nationalism. Vacant0 (talk) 12:04, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

 * Okay then. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 13:03, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

 * I'll apply the changes now then. If anyone is opposed, let's discuss. Vacant0 (talk) 17:12, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

 * Right :) ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 12:08, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

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Training Effect
Could you clarify the point you've added, on the talk page, or edit it into the main article? A reference would also be nice Linuxlad 15:39, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

No

Well then I'm afraid I don't know for sure what you're saying, especailly in the 2nd para - what effects are you saying you consider to occur and ewhich do not ?

And in the the first para, well there certainly is more than a transitory effect on metabolic rate in at least one case (mine) - my heart rate etc are still elevated from a lunch time run (crawl) some few hours after the event :-) So the universality of it as only a transitory effect seems questionable.

And can we continue this converssation on the article talk page please. Bob

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Molly Pitcher Club

The Molly Pitcher Club was founded in 1922 as a woman's anti-prohibition organization. They argued that drinking itself was not illegal and so the government should not get involved with a personal and private choice.

History
The Molly Pitcher Club was created in 1922 by M. Louise Gross to campaign for the repeal of prohibition., which began in the United States in 1920. The organization was named after a Revolutionary War folklore heroine, Molly Pitcher. Molly Pitcher was the name given to women who carried water to men on the battlefield during the American Revolution. The stated purpose of the Molly Pitchers was to prevent "any tendency on the part of our National Government to interfere with the personal habits of the American people except those habits which may be designated as criminal."

Although they had national aspirations, the group was limited to New York and held meetings at the Ritz Carlton Hotel and Delmonico's.

In 1923 a group of 120 women from the Molly Pitcher Club arrived in Albany to urge Governor Al Smith to repeal the state prohibition enforcement measure called the Mullan-Gage Act. This march was the club's largest activity and faded quickly thereafter. Gross explained that the "activities of the Molly Pitcher Club subsided because there was nothing of importance in the prohibition field for it to do."

The club's attempt to expand its all-female membership was limited by its direct relationship to the Association Against the Prohibition Amendment, which was larger, national, and accepted both men and women.

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Nyboma

Nyboma Mwan'dido (or Muan'dido), often simply Nyboma (born 1952), a prominent Congolese soukous tenor vocalist, has been over a fifty-year span a leading member of several outstanding bands, including Orchestre Bella Bella, Orchestre Lipua Lipua, Orchestre Kamale, Les Quatre Étoiles, and Kékélé, in addition to performing and recording as a solo artist. He is widely recognized as one of the best singers in Congolese music.

1952-1970: Early years and first bands: Baby National and Negro Succès
Nyboma was born on 24 December 1952 in Nioki, a river town 200 km northeast of the capital of what at the time was the Belgian Congo, later the Republic of the Congo and Zaire, and is now the Democratic Republic of Congo. He learned to sing as a child in Nioki, in the church choir. He sang in the school chorus when his family moved to Kinshasa while he was still in primary school.

Early bands that Nyboma joined were l'Orchestre Baby National and Orchestre Negro Succès, although sources differ on the order and his age when he joined them. According to one source, at the age of 16 he began singing with Negro Succès. According to other sources, he quit his job as apprentice electrician to join his first band, Baby National, as a professional singer in 1969 at the age of eighteen and he later moved to Negro Succès. He left the latter band when its co-leader, Bavon Marie-Marie, Franco's brother, died in 1970.

1970s: Work with Verckys: Bella Bella, Lipua Lipua, Orchestre Kamale, Les Kamale
He then signed with the Editions Veve record label owned by Verckys Kiamuangana Mateta (a soukous recording artist and producer/financier, composer, saxophonist, and band leader in the Democratic Republic of the Congo). He joined the band Orchestre Bella Bella, led by the Soki brothers, in 1972, when it was part of Verckys's stable of artists, until 1973 when its founders left Verckys and Editions Veve. In 1972 Bella Bella's record Mbuta, with Nyboma, was considered the song of the year. Another of Bella Bella's records was called Lipua Lipua, for which Nyboma named his next band in a pattern that continued to the following band.

In 1973 with other musicians from Bella Bella including Pepe Kalle, Nyboma formed the band Orchestre Lipua Lipua, also referred to as Lipwa Lipwa, (another band under Verckys's Editions Vévé label), which he sang with until his departure in 1975. "Lipua Lipua" means confusion or disorder. He sang on Orchestre Lipua Lipua's first release in April 1973, the hit "Kamale," which was considered the song of the year in 1973; reportedly that name came from a friend of Nyboma's attempt to pronounce the French word "camarade." In 1975 Nyboma and other members left Lipua Lipua to form Orchestre Kamale; Lipua Lipua continued to perform and record under guitarist "Professor" Vata Mombassa, who had joined in 1974.

In 1975 he became the leader of Orchestre Kamale, under the Editions Veve record label; the group was established by Verckys using some members of Orchestre Lipua Lipua. Orchestre Kamale disbanded in 1978 when Assosa and Mulembu left to create Fuka Fuka. The Orchestre Kamale vestige was renamed Les Kamale with Nyboma at the helm. In the 1970s, Les Kamale was a popular danceband with their hits "Salanga" and "Afida na ngai."

1979-present: West Africa and Paris - solo work, collaborations, Les Quatre Etoiles, Kékélé
In 1979 Nyboma was drafted by Dizzy Mandjeku, along with guitarist Dally Kimoko, from Les Kamale into a version of the African All-Stars in Lomé, Togo, after the band’s founder Sam Mangwana had left with another version of that band.

In 1981 Nyboma moved to Abidjan, Côte d'Ivoire, where he recorded one of his biggest hits “Double Double” with his new band which he named Les Kamale Dynamiques Du Zaire.

In 1982, he moved to Paris, where he has lived since, except for a period in the United States in the 1990s. The supergroup Les Quatre Etoiles which he founded with three other leading soukous musicians, Bopol, Syran Mbenza, and Wuta Mayi, recorded and toured from 1982 to 1996. The group was a loose arrangement that allowed its four members to pursue their own projects while they were members of Les Quatre Etoiles. In 1983-84, he recorded another three albums under the name Les Kamale Dynamiques Du Zaire.

In the late 1980s Nyboma also joined Pepe Kalle, his old bandmate from Bella Bella and Lipua Lipua, on two records produced by Ibrahima Sylla, Zouke Zouke and Moyibi (meaning "thief"), in a combination contrasting "Pépé Kallé's earthy baritone voice with Nyboma's airy tenor." Nyboma’s 1995 album Anicet was also produced by Sylla, whose signature is evident from the polished, multi-layered songs in the album—including a song in which Nyboma pays tribute to Malcolm X (in a song of the same title) and to Pan-Africanism in a song entitled Abissina.

In a 1990s interview with the journalist Gary Stewart, Nyboma expressed unhappiness with the African music then being made in Paris as being commercial, and lacking feeling: "Commercial music is appreciated here [in Paris]. Because here you don't put in a lot of words.  You just put in music that goes, Boom!  Boom!  Boom!  Boom!  Boom!  To sell it, just to sell it." He similarly complained to Georges Collinet, who was interviewing him for a 1996 radio program, about the state of Congolese music being made in Paris in the 1990s, saying, "Singers should get back to the basics, beautiful melodies and highly tuned voices." Perhaps with these sentiments in mind, in 2000 he formed the acoustic throwback group Kékélé, with another group of outstanding musicians.

Assessments
Over the course of his career, Nyboma has worked with many Congolese musical greats, from Pepe Kalle and others in Empire Bakuba, to Koffi Olomide, Madilu System, Lokassa Ya Mbongo, and his counterparts in Les Quatre Etoiles: Bopol, Syran and Wuta Mayi.

Critical assessments of Nyboma's singing all include superlative comparisons and descriptions with high praise, such as, "he is possessed of the finest tenor voice in Africa," "There are a handful of Congolese singers: Franco, Nyboma, Sam Mangwana, Papa Wemba, who have unmistakable and magical voices, capable of transporting you with a few notes," "Nyboma's high, sweet-as-honey voice soaring above exuberant guitar and bass," "One of the great singers of Congolese music, Nyboma's tenor voice is airy, effortless and supple," and "one of the great African voices."

Discography
The following is based on several sources.

Solo records (or as band leader)

 * Les Editions Vévé présentent l'Orchestre Kamale & son célèbre chanteur Nyomba (or Ayindjo) (1977)
 * Double Double (1981) [back cover credits L'Orchestre les Kamale]
 * DeDe (or De De) (Nyboma & Les Kamale Dynamiques) (1982)
 * Pepe (Nyboma & Les Kamale Dynamiques du Zaire) (1983)
 * Coeur a Coeur (Nyboma & Kamale Dynamique) (1983)
 * Bandona (Nyboma & Les Kamale) (1985)
 * Anicet (1995)
 * Kanta d’Or (2020)
 * Live au Cabaret Sauvage (2020)

Compilations

 * La Voix Danos Canta - Vol. 1/3 1971-1974 Le Mérite De La Musique Congolaise (1995 or 1998) [CD from Glenn Music; with songs of Kamale (actually later than 1974-1975)]
 * La Voix Danos Canta - Vol. 2/3 1972-1974 Le Mérite De La Musique Congolaise (1995 or 1998) [CD from Glenn Music; with songs of Lipua Lipua]
 * La Voix Danos Canta - Vol. 3/3 1974-1975 Le Mérite De La Musique Congolaise (1995 or 1998) [CD from Glenn Music; with songs of various bands]
 * Lipwa Lipwa De Nyboma (1997) [CD from Sonodisc]
 * Kamale & Lipwa Lipwa (1997) [CD from Sonodisc; Nyboma not named on cover, which says "Lipwa Mipwa"]
 * Nyboma & Kamale Dynamique (2005) [CD from Sterns; two tracks from each of Double Double, DeDe, Pepe, Coeur a Couer, and Bandona]
 * Verckys presente Nyboma, La Voix Qui Console (2015) [digital release from Sterns of 1973-75 Lipua Lipua singles)

Featured with other artists

 * Innovation, vol. 6 (Nyboma & Bovi) (1980)
 * Innovation, vol. 7 (Nyboma & Bovi) (1981)
 * Innovation, vol. 8 (Nyboma & Bovi & Kilalo) (1982)
 * Deception Motema (Bopol Mansiamina & Nyboma Mwan'Dido) (1984)
 * Pepe Kalle & Nyboma (or Zouke Zouke or Empire Bakuba: Pepe Kalle & Nyboma) (1986)
 * Tabu Ley, Sacramento avec Canta Nyboma (1986)
 * Moyibi (Pepe Kalle & Nyboma) (1988)
 * Stop Feu Rouge - Voisin (Nyboma & Madilu) (1989 or 1990)
 * Hommage À Emoro (Les Etoiles du Zaire: Pepe Kalle, Nyboma, Bopol) (1992)

As a band member

 * Orchestre Lipua Lipua, [singles, 1973-75]
 * Orchestre Kamale, [singles, 1975-78]
 * Les Kamale, [singles, 1978-79]
 * Les Kamale, Les Kamale (1979) [Sonafric SAF 50.087]
 * Les Kamale, Les Kamale (1979) [Sonafric SAF 61.012; these two albums with identical titles and very similar cover art are different.]
 * Orchestre African All Stars International, Vol. 2 (early 1980s)
 * Orchestre African All Stars International, Vol. 3 (early 1980s)
 * Les Quatre Étoiles, 4 Grandes Vedettes de la Musique Africaine (1983)
 * Les Quatre Étoiles, 4 Stars (or Enfant Bamileke) (1984)
 * Les Quatre Étoiles, Dance (1985)
 * Les Quatre Étoiles, 6 Hits / 6 Tubes (1987)
 * Les Quatre Étoiles, Zairian Stars Show in the US - Kilimanjaro Heritage Hall (1988, live)
 * Les Quatre Étoiles, Four Stars (or Kouame) (1989, live) [may be same as Kilimanjaro live album]
 * Les Quatre Étoiles, Les 4 Etoiles (or Souffrance) (1991)
 * Les Quatre Étoiles, Sangonini (1993)
 * Les Quatre Étoiles, Adama Coly (1995)
 * Les Quatre Étoiles, Live in London (1996, live)
 * Soukouss Force One, Asipo (1998)
 * Kékélé, Rumba Congo (2001)
 * Kékélé, Congo Life (2003)
 * Kékélé, Kinavana (2006)
 * Kékélé, Live: Tournée Américaine & Canadienne (2006)

As a supporting artist
[This is a representative sample; there could be dozens, if not hundreds, of disks on this list.]
 * Bopol Mansiamina, Manuela (1983)
 * Koffi Olomide, Rue d'Amour (1987)
 * Koffi Olomide Golden Star, Elle Et Moi (1989)
 * Pepe Kalle, Gérant (1991)
 * Syran Mbenza, Symbiose (1991)
 * Madilu System, Sans Commentaire (1993)
 * Mose Fan Fan and Somo Somo, Hello Hello (1995)
 * Diblo Dibala, Pas Moi (1999)
 * Mbilia Bel, Welcome (2001)
 * Samba Mapangala and Orchestre Virunga, Song & Dance (2006)
 * Wuta Mayi, La Face Cachée (2019)

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FAC objections:
 * Article is still a bit too long (aim for <40k?) (in progress; current size considered okay)
 * Advertising section needs heavy copyediting and condensing
 * Explain more technical terms and people inline
 * Add a key, explaining color-coding on: Timeline of Macintosh models (listed here because this is the only use of the template) this still needs the attention of someone who knows more about macs than I do

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User talk:ImaginaryFriend

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http://fwie.fw.vt.edu/WWW/esis/lists/e104006.htm contains a reference to "Puerto Rican nightjar aka pajaro bojo". So I think this article needs AfD rather than speedy. There may be a grain of truth in it. -- RHaworth 06:45, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

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Date of death?
Can we verify the date of death? The page says October 11, 2005, but the referenced article suggests it may have been the 10th. --David Edgar 15:43, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

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Broadhempston

Broadhempston (alias Broad Hempston, anciently Great Hempston, Hempston Cauntelow) is a village, parish and former manor in Devon, England, situated about 4 miles north of Totnes. It is now administered by Teignbridge District Council. According to the 2001 census the parish contained 257 houses with a population of 641.

Description
The village contains a parish church, a primary school, two public houses (the Monk's Retreat and the Coppa Dolla) and a shop/post office. The working population mainly commutes to the neighbouring town of Torquay, and to the cities of Exeter and Plymouth. Many of the villagers are "incomers" and now outnumber "natives". The proportion of professional and managerial grade employees resident in the parish is higher than the national average for comparable sized areas. House ownership levels, as a measure of prosperity, is also high. Until recently there were five farmhouses and yards within the village itself, but these have been converted to residential uses. A "Community Woodland Project" is in development, which has public access for pedestrians and will be used as a community educational resource.

Notable buildings

 * Parish church of St Peter and St Paul, which has a 13th-century chancel with 15th-century arcades, beams and bosses. The fine chancel screen is ancient, although the top part was made in 1903. The baptismal font is 15th century. Giles Hussey, artist and theorist, is buried in the churchyard.
 * The 15th-century almshouse is now an inn.
 * Village Hall, to be rebuilt (outline planning permission received) to cater for all age groups from the village and surrounding areas.

Manor
The manor is listed in the Domesday Book of 1086 as Hamistone and was held by Robert, Count of Mortain, 2nd Earl of Cornwall. It was later held successively by the families of Cantilupe (from whom it became known as Hempston Cauntelow), West, Rowe, Martin, Champion, Duntze and Tozer.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bonta

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. — J I P | Talk 18:05, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Bonta
Smells like vanity. Sarge Baldy 15:43, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nothing but vanity.--Alhutch 16:04, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - nn CLW 16:18, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Would personally think it's a speedy candidate on the basis of no asseriton of notability. The Land 18:39, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vanity page. Andrew pmk | Talk 01:14, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.

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Lucan (disambiguation)

Lucan is the common English name of the Roman poet Marcus Annaeus Lucanus.

Lucan may also refer to:

People

 * Arthur Lucan (1885–1954), English actor
 * Jacques Lucan (1947–2023), French academic, architect, and historian
 * Vladimír Lučan (born 1977), Czech orienteering competitor
 * Lucan, one of the Knights of the Round Table in Arthurian legend
 * Earl of Lucan, a title in the peerage of Ireland, including a list of people with the title
 * John Bingham, 7th Earl of Lucan, the famous Lord Lucan who mysteriously disappeared in 1974

Places

 * Lucan, Dublin, Ireland
 * Lucan, Minnesota, United States
 * Lucan, Lucan Biddulph, Ontario, Canada
 * Lucan Airport

Other uses

 * Lucan (American TV series), 1977–1978, based on the 1977 made-for-TV film of the same name
 * Lucan (British TV series), 2013, about the missing Lord Lucan
 * Lucan Formation, a geologic formation in Ireland

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