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Talk:Panorama

Reorganization
I've moved the original article that was here and which talked exclusively about panoramic paintings to that title, and moved the article which resided under panoramic format here; I also slightly rewrote both articles and changed the disambiguation page. Simply put, it didn't make sense to have the main article exclusively about panoramic paintings, with an obscure "see also" to panoramic photography at the bottom. Most people who go to this article probably want to read about the latter, and panoramic photo links kept being added to the "panoramic painting" article. So this is now a non-discriminating overview, which could still be much improved.--Eloquence* 21:54, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup.
I broken the article into clear sections but there is a lot of very vague and duplicated content. Megapixie 04:17, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Delete one of the two stitched images?
I think it's redundant to have two stitched photographs in this article. I'd suggest deleting one of them. --Jeremy Butler 12:00, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

It's hard for me to understand how another example could be a bad thing. Thoughts from anyone else? --roguegeek 2006-03-28 10:11am PST
 * I guess my thinking is that an encyclopedia should be as succinct as possible. Why use two examples when one gets the point across? --Jeremy Butler 12:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I see your point. If no one else cares, you can pull it down if you want. --roguegeek 2006-03-29 5:16am PST
 * As in the case of Silhouette article, a gallery for those wanting to add their treasured panorama photos might ensure the images in the main article stay in place, are relevant, and are of the optimum quality. I won't do this unless there is agreement however as I am not in favour of cluttering pages with countless, redundant examples. sinarau (talk) 06:24, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Panoramic Effects
Been debating it for a while and finally decided to remove the "Panoramic Effects" section. It's just not very important and I don't see how relevant it really is to the article. If anything, it should just be mentioned in another section and not have its own section. From looking at the history, I think it may have been someone's attempt to just put up pics of themselves. Thoughts? Roguegeek 21:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Tools to create Panoramas (stitching tools)
This completely new section about links to stitching tools should IMHO be added to image stitching which is already mentioned above in the article and btw could use some good editing. This Panorama article seems to me more general. The also newly added (and prominently positioned) external link to a personal homepage (Rohits Panoramas) is self promotion by the same person, isn't it? Is it ok to sort the external links alphabetically and discuss maybe the last one? Can I move the newly created section to the other article? Looks like redundant information here. -- Einemnet 13:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that update Einemnet. I have reverted the changes that Mordani made. I also noticed he added three of his panoramas to the Featured Pictures list so I have reverted these as well. I left a message on his talk page about this. I'm not sure that an extended list of programs to create panoramas is necessary, but yes, I agree that it would be much more suited to the image stitching article. In fact, the articles Panorama and Panoramic photography could possibly be merged, with some of the information transfered to image stitching. We would need to get consensus for this first. Any thoughts, people? Diliff  | (Talk)   (Contribs) 16:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Merge
This article is exact same topic as Panoramic photography 210.49.25.22 08:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * There were panoramic paintings long before photographs existed, so "panorama" refers to a wider class of objects. So I oppose a merge.  Spebudmak 02:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I oppose a merge with the same reasons as above. Also modern panoramic techniques exist that don't use photographic imagery. The anon user who seems to have proposed the merge should have a look at both articles' "What links here" and follow some of the links to see how the articles are cited to see that both articles should stay as they are. It's a worthy distinction, Panoramic photography is a specialised enough topic. Einemnet 07:48, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I plan to do an extensive page on panorama creation techniques that should allow us to clean up some of the rouge panorama pages that pepper the Wikipedia. Let's get that in place before doing the panorama shuffle. John Spikowski 19:04, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with you that a merge with panoramic photography would be a good thing to do. --Kri (talk) 21:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No, panoramic photography is specific to photography. It would be more appropriate to merge this page with panoramic painting which is not exclusively about photographic panoramas as it also includes sections on paintings and non-photographic and moving-image panoramas. JamesMcArdle 02:22, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

There seems to be no consensus to merge, so I'm removing the tags. -- Elphion (talk) 13:02, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Etymology
From greek : Pan (all) + horama(to see) , found from google. Reference needed Hgkamath (talk) 01:14, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

suggestion for article improvement
This article could use section headings.. if that meets consensus. OlEnglish (talk) 03:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have added sections for clarification, based on the varieties of panoramic representation formats.sinarau (talk) 06:20, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Merger Discussion: Panoramic painting and Panoramic photography with Panorama Suggestion
Since a 'panorama' refers to an image in most definitions it seems redundant to have these three articles separate, especially since they each ought to refer to a common history and since painting and photography are only two of the technologies for creating panoramas. I propose that the very comprehensive article Panoramic painting and the fairly lightweight Panorama be merged here under the title Panorama, followed by the incorporation of information from Panoramic photography. If there are no objections from editors of these articles, I will go ahead after a suitable delay. JamesMcArdle 03:42, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I object. There is a great difference between the subjects, and this "lightweight" article may still be expanded. The painting article is very long, and would overshadow the other techniques. However, including a (short) section on painting (as has been done with panoramic photography, also a separate article) would be nice, so please go ahead and do that, if you wish! --Janke | Talk 07:00, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, Janke, it would make a long article, but not as long as many. With a thorough introduction and a sensitive amalgamation of information repeated here and on the other two pages, I believe the combination would make a high quality, comprehensive entry. The opinion of other editors will be helpful. I only say 'lightweight' on account of the lack of referencing here, even though I have been working on it. Best Regards, JamesMcArdle 07:34, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Panoramas in literature?
Many Articles include such sections. I didn't know about the "popular spectacle" aspect until reading the intro to Strange Tale of Panorama Island by Edogawa Ranpo. (Originally パノラマ島綺譚 in Japanese.) The Article doesn't make it clear, but some of these "popular spectacle" panoramas were circular buildings entered from underneath. Sort of like museums with admission charges? But the business model was crushed when movies became available. Shanen (talk) 03:49, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

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James Livingston, 1st Earl of Newburgh

James Livingston, 1st Earl of Newburgh (c. 1622 – 4 December 1670) was a Scottish peer who sat in the House of Commons of England from 1661 to 1670. He supported the Royalist cause in the English Civil War.

Livingston was the only son of Sir John Livingstone of Kinnaird and his wife Jane Sproxton, daughter of Richard Sproxton of Wakefield, Yorkshire. His father was a page of the bedchamber to James VI and I. He succeeded his father as 2nd Baronet in 1628. He matriculated at Merton College, Oxford on 17 December 1638, aged 16 and travelled abroad in France from about 1642 to 1646.

When he joined King Charles at Newcastle in 1646, he was created Viscount of Newburgh in the Peerage of Scotland. He and his wife made plans in December 1648 to rescue the King before his trial but nothing came of it and they fled to the Netherlands. In 1650, he went with Charles II to Scotland, subscribed to the Covenant, and took his seat in the Scottish House of Lords. He was a lieutenant colonel in the Life Guards at the Battle of Worcester and after the battle he fled abroad again where he spent his time duelling and corresponding with the Scottish Royalists. From 1656 to 1658, he was a colonel of horse in the Spanish army and commanded a Scottish Royalist regiment which fought at the Battle of the Dunes (1658).

After the Restoration, Livingston was captain of the bodyguard in Scotland and was created Earl of Newburgh, Viscount of Kynnaird and Lord Livingston. He became lord of the manor of Cirencester in 1660 through his second marriage. In 1661 he was elected Member of Parliament for Cirencester in the Cavalier Parliament. He was awarded MA at Oxford on 9 September 1661.

Livingston died at the age of about 48 and was buried at St. Margaret's, Westminster.

Livingston married firstly before 1648 Katherine Stuart, widow of George, 9th Seigneur d'Aubigny and daughter of Theophilus Howard, 2nd Earl of Suffolk. They had one daughter, Elizabeth (1648–1717), who was brought up in England by his sister Dorothy Livingston, the wife of Sir Charles Stanhope, and married Robert Delaval. She is known for her journal and moral reflections. She was also a Jacobite agent.

Livingston married secondly around May 1660, Anne Poole daughter of Sir Henry Poole of Sapperton, Gloucestershire. He was succeeded by his only son Charles.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Weetabix Minis

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The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. — J I P | Talk 11:38, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Weetabix Minis
Vanity. We do not need an article for the different cereal varieties Chris 73 Talk 21:55, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Vanity? Not entirely. It's at least as much due to anal-retentive completism. :-/

 * On reflection, I (the author) think you have a valid point with respect to Weetabix Minis; I shouldn't have created a separate article. On this basis, *I* vote for deletion...

 * In the case of Fruit 'n Fibre, the article refers (or should refer if expanded) to a group of similar cereals. If it's felt that this is too inconsequential for Wikipedia, I'm willing to accept that. However, applying such standards, many of the cereal articles in the List_of_breakfast_cereals are *at least* as valid for deletion/consolidation (espec. ones referring to a specific variety of defunct cereal for example).

 * I'm not going to whine about this so long as there's a clear and consistent line drawn. To some extent, I was following the template of what was there already. On reflection, this was a bad idea.

 * And definitely get rid of the Weetabix Minis...
 * Fourohfour 22:27, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep, notable. Kappa 01:10, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Weetabix Pilatus 01:30, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Can't this just go in Weetabix? Gamaliel 03:41, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep we have lots of cereal articles. They are completely harmless and the subject matter is known to millions. CalJW 04:57, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep adequately not-paper encyclopedic. -- Curps 05:00, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - advertising should be paid for. --MacRusgail 13:07, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as per CalJW Carioca 06:37, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as with the other Breakfast cereals. NSR (talk) 14:03, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:ECK master

Reference book
Fubbi Quantz and other Mickey Mouse and fantasy names, can somebody remove the self-directs to this article, as per the guidelines? Has somebody read David C. Lane's book about Eckankar that I think could make a good source for this article? Andries 21:55, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Religioustolerance.org
This article uses the religioustolerance.org website as either a reference or a link. Please see the discussion on Wikipedia talk:Verifiability/Religioustolerance.org and Verifiability/Religioustolerance.org as to whether Wikipedia should cite the religioustolerance.org website, jguk 15:04, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

article improvements
I have tried to make improvements to this article according to the Wikipedia standards. I reorganized the categories and took out some excess wording and tried to make it easier to read. KarateLadyKarateLady 17:31, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

An you still look like a bunch of kooks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.70.133.120 (talk) 14:17, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

No relevance
Can somebody explain why Gopal Das redirects here when he's cited in the article titled stem cells? I was flummoxed when I visited this page to see all mumbo-jumbo about some spiritual truths when I just wanted to know the 'scientific' aspect to Gopal Das. Sriram sh 07:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Stem Cell Research, Gopal Das redirects here??!
Any reason why clicking Gopal Das here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell#Controversy_surrounding_stem_cell_research redirects to stuff about ECK Masters? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.203.165.184 (talk) 16:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Made a suggestion for that change here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Stem_cell/External_links_proposals#Links_to_Remove 76.17.147.234 (talk) 13:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Disputed
This is a religion and there is no independent corroboration for the existence of these people under these names and in these places. Furthermore, the literary evidence collected by David Lane indicates that the Eck master mythology indicates difficulties with the Eck Master mythology. For example, adapting a text by another author and adapting it to quote Eck master as the author of the main content (i.e. Rebazar Tarzs' quotes in The Far Country as an adaptation of a book by Julian Johnson). See David Lane's website and book for more on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.183.197.97 (talk) 04:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

For a different view, The Whole Truth, by Doug Marman, thoroughly addresses David Lane's claims one by one. Light&sound3 (talk) 19:29, 2 June 2009 (UTC) 6/2/09

Why is ECKANKAR in ALL CAPS?
It's not at the main Eckankar article. If there is no disagreement, I'll change it.--Editor2020 (talk) 20:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

At least in the past, all-caps was the way the ECKANKAR organization did it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.183.197.97 (talk) 15:04, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Håkan the Red

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WTF is "1070-1079"? The article says he ruled for thirteen years, so it's neither his life nor his reign.

 * Yes the dates are unreliable all over the line of Swedish kings. It is one of my future projects to double check the dates.--Wiglaf 21:59, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Suggestions for improvement of the article
--Francis Schonken 10:56, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Westrogothic law:
 * There appear to be two versions of this document (Äldre Västgötalagen and the Yngre Västgötalagen): is the regnal list tied to any of these two versions, or is the regnal list exactly the same in both versions?
 * Is there an English translation published of this document/these documents? If so, where?
 * Could the (regnal list of the) Westogothic law be used as a direct source, instead of going around via the familjebok/encyklopedin?
 * List of Swedish monarchs lists four English-language recent sources on Swedish kings: could someone check which one(s) of these give(s) detailed information on the regnal succession sequence around Haakon? If such source gives such detailed information, couldn't it replace (part of) the sources in Swedish? Or are there still differences with encyklopedin/familjebok so that all these sources need to be mentioned to give a NPOV version of the possible succession sequences? Note that the succession box at the bottom of the article should only be used to reflect the consensus of historians on the subject. If the historians have no consensus, then the succession box should either be removed, either adapted so that it reflects the main likely possibilities.
 * Are there others sources with a description of U 11 apart from http://www.canit.se/~griffon/diverse/runes/stenar/u11.htm ? - I mean: how likely is it that the Hakon mentioned on that stone is the "red" Haakon?
 * "Red" as colour of hair: is that so? Source? Or is that just a best guess of some Wikipedian (in which case this contention should be removed from the article, per WP:NOR)?
 * Could someone write the article (or make an appropriate redirect) for Svithjod, used in one of the Saga translations?
 * Similarly: Levene (quoted from Westrogothic law)?
 * Further: replace Encyclopædia Britannica text with something more correct:
 * "At the end of the Viking Age [approximately 1050], Sweden remained a loose federation of provinces. The old family of kings died out in 1060; after the death of the last of these kings' son-in-law, Stenkil, in 1066, a civil war broke out. Around 1080 Stenkil's sons, Ingi and Halsten, ruled, [...]."

 * Sweden was no such a federation of provinces, it was more like a formalized loose cooperative kingdom with the Svear as rulers and warriors and, the others as tributaries.

Said: Rursus 13:54, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * A king was originally a warlord, the sentence "border case between king and warlord" doesn't make sense.

Why Norwegian name?
What's the logic behind writing the name in Norwegian? After all he was a Swedish king so why not Håkan the red? Narking (talk) 21:04, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Move the article to Håkan the Red
I will move the article to Håkan the Red if no-one is against it and can come up with a logical reason for not moving it. I don't see a reason for having his name in Norwegian. We don't have Olav for Swedish kings so why have Haakon? Narking (talk) 19:51, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Removal of relevant info
This cross-reference was removed with no other action taken to keep this important info: I see no weighty reason to remove relevant information without adding it somewhere else. Restoring. SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:23, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sources indicate that Blot-Sweyn may have been another name for this person rather than an individual king.
 * This is not what hatnotes are for. Removed again. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 19:28, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Exonym of Hacon
It is my firm belief that established personal exonyms are not bound to certain persons but to the language at hand in general. In other words, it is always appropriate and useful to inform readers of English what established English versions of foreign personal names are. If king Karl I of Sweden is or has been totally unknown to English literature written by non-Swedes, it was/is certainly not incorrect to call him Charles anyway - applying the established English exonym i principle, not in person. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:45, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

 * If no one calls him "Hacon", it's not an exonym. An exonym is a name for a specific place, person or ethnic group, not a general translation of a name. "Hacon" is the English cognate of the name, nothing more, and if no one calls him by that name form, its inclusion is confusing and misleading. If no one knows of him at all, it is not our place to invent the name he "should" have.
 * Andejons (talk) 08:50, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

 * Thank you! Not that I can put my finger on now. but I'll do some checking myself and correct anything I might run across. I can say that there is no major problem with me on this, as far as I'm aware and thus could admit to. If you would like every exonymic personal name form (besides my edits) removed throughout English WP due to a lack of specific sources, we have quite a chore on our hands. I'll do what I can to help, of course. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:36, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

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Solo (1996 film)

Solo is a 1996 American science fiction action film directed by Norberto Barba, and starring Mario Van Peebles, William Sadler, Adrien Brody, Barry Corbin and Demián Bichir. The film was based on the 1989 novel Weapon by Robert Mason, and was adapted into a screenplay by David L. Corley for Columbia/TriStar Pictures.

Plot
Solo is an android designed as a military killing machine. He is sent to Central America by General Haynes to battle guerrilla insurgents, but a flaw develops in his programming, and he develops a conscience and compassion. His developers try to take him back for deprogramming, but he flees to the jungle in a helicopter. His main energy supply was damaged during the first mission, forcing him to switch to his much less powerful secondary power. He joins a small village community that is under constant threat from guerilla attackers, and he protects them in exchange for use of their electric generator (they previously used it to power a television). There, he learns to 'bluff' from a child that befriends him, Miguel.

Solo helps the villagers drive off local Warlord Rio and his small army, but the combat is detected by a military satellite. A black ops team is sent to recover or destroy Solo, while they ally with Rio. The highly sadistic black ops leader, Colonel Frank Madden, who has an intense hatred for Solo as he sees Solo renders the Black Ops members like him out of job, brings in Dr. Bill Stewart, Solo's creator, as a lure, leaving the man mortally wounded but Solo survives. Having occupied the village, the militiamen and black ops team attempt to kill Solo, but he manages to kill them.

Rio is betrayed by Madden, who tries to kill Solo with an automatic grenade launcher. Solo is able to fight Madden in hand-to-hand combat and non-fatally break his spine. Suddenly a helicopter delivers a more powerful version of the android, which is armed with a multi-barreled gun and has Madden's face. The MkII kills Madden and proceeds to hunt down Solo. Solo rescues the villagers and destroys the MkII android, using his acquired bluffing skills. After the temple, the two androids fought in collapses, causing the military to pull out believing both units are destroyed and unrecoverable, Miguel mourns Solo believing he was destroyed by cave-in, but Miguel starts to hear Solo, laughing, as he knows he has earned his freedom.

Production
At one point, producer Lawrence Gordon had initially purchased the rights to Weapon along with options on other books penned by Robert Mason.

Following his work directing Panther, Mario Van Peebles was looking for a project that would provide him a complex character to play and felt Solo with its depictions of indigenous people under the threat of superior technology provided opportunity to do so. The film was shot entirely in Puerto Vallarta.

Critical response
The film has an 8% rating on review aggregate Rotten Tomatoes, based on 36 reviews, with an average rating of 3.8/10. The consensus stating: "Featuring hammy performances and bland characters, Solo is an all too straightforward actioner that's both predictable and instantly forgettable."

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fruit 'n Fibre

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The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. — J I P | Talk 11:41, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Fruit 'n Fibre
Another cereal article. If vote is for deletion, do not forget the redirects. Chris 73 Talk 21:58, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * See Weetabix Minis for my views (as author) on this. As stated, this was intended as a generic article. I think *consistent* consolidation (with removal of insignificant facts/trivia, and appropriate headings) across all the cereal articles might be the best way forward (with separate articles remaining for the most important ones; e.g. Corn Flakes, Rice Krispies).
 * Fourohfour 22:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep adequately not-paper encyclopedic. -- Curps 05:01, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Curps. DS 18:27, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - wikipedia shouldn't be advertising uninteresting products. Not without a decent history anyway. --MacRusgail 13:05, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as we have lots of cereal articles. Carioca 06:38, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as with the other Breakfast cereals. NSR (talk) 14:03, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
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Red plague (corrosion)

Red plague is an accelerated corrosion of copper when plated with silver. After storage, damage or use in high-humidity environment, cuprous oxide forms on the surface of the parts. The corrosion is identifiable by presence of patches of brown-red powder deposit on the exposed copper.

Red plague is caused by normally occurring electrode potential difference between the copper and silver, leading to galvanic corrosion occurring in pits or breaks in the silver plating. It develops in the presence of moisture and oxygen when the porosity of the silver layer allows them to come in contact with the copper-silver interface. It is an electrochemical corrosion—a copper-silver galvanic cell forms and the copper acts as sacrificial anode. In suitable conditions, the corrosion can proceed rather quickly and lead to total circuit failure.

More details can be seen in ESA document PSS-01-720, with details on determining the susceptibility of silver-plated copper wire to red plague corrosion found in ECSS-Q-ST-70-20C.

It is not to be confused with purple plague, a type of galvanic corrosion that occurs between gold and aluminum.

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James Chilton

James Chilton (c. 1556 – 1620) was a Leiden Separatist passenger on the historic 1620 voyage of the ship Mayflower and was the oldest person on board. Upon arrival in the New World, he was a signer of the Mayflower Compact. James Chilton was one of the earliest to die that winter, perishing within the following month.

Life in England
Chilton was born about 1556 (age 63 in 1619) probably in Canterbury, Kent, England. The Chilton surname is an ancient one that appears in records from at least 1339, when his ancestor Robert Chilton was a Canterbury parliamentary representative.

His father was Lyonel Chilton.

James became a freeman in 1583 in Canterbury, and in a Canterbury Quarter Session in the next year, he was recorded as being a tailor.

Per Banks, in 1583 he was recorded as James "Chylton", citizen and tailor of Canterbury.

James Chilton married about 1586 (date based on his first child's baptism date). Research has not revealed the name of his wife, which was at one time thought to have been his stepsister, Susanna Furner, but recent research has found this not to be true. As far back as 1840 Nahum Mitchell's History of Bridgewater provided the given name of James' wife as "Susanna", but there is no solid documentary evidence to this claim.

James Chilton and his wife had seven children who were baptized in Canterbury, Kent between 1587 and 1589. About 1600 the family moved to Sandwich, also in Kent, where three more children were baptized.

It is believed that here James met Moses Fletcher, who was also a Mayflower passenger, as well as other Separatists who later went to Holland, and so became part of the English Leiden religious company. Sandwich was becoming a center of Separatist activity, and was home to several future members of John Robinson's Leiden church.

The first evidence that the Chilton family had its own Separatist views appears in 1609. In late April, Chilton's wife was among four people who secretly buried a dead child, without having the Church of England perform its mandatory burial rites.

Life in Leiden
After the excommunication, sometime between 1609 and 1615, James Chilton and his family left England and joined John Robinson's congregation in Leiden, Holland. The first the family is heard from in Leiden is on July 2, 1615 when their eldest daughter Isabella married Roger Chandler. She is recorded as "Ysabel Tgiltron spinster from Canterbury." James Chilton's name was recorded for the first time in Leiden records on April 30, 1619 when he made a Leiden Remonstrant statement.

An incident involving James and a daughter was recorded in Leiden on April 28, 1619, when it was reported that as they were returning to their home, about twenty boys began throwing rocks at them. When Chilton confronted the crowd, he was struck in the head by a large cobblestone, and was knocked unconscious.

On the Mayflower

Not all members of the James Chilton family traveled on the Mayflower. The Chilton family on that ship consisted of James Chilton, age about sixty-four and the oldest Mayflower passenger, his wife and their daughter Mary, age about thirteen. Their daughters Isabella, married in 1615, and Ingle (Angel) stayed behind in Leiden. Isabella later came to Plymouth, but Ingle stayed in Leiden and married in 1622. She was still in Leiden in 1636, when she remarried. The records of their other children are not complete, although it is known that some died in infancy.

James Chilton and his family left Plymouth, England aboard the Mayflower on September 6/16, 1620. The small, 100-foot ship had 102 passengers and a crew of about 30-40 in extremely cramped conditions. By the second month out, the ship was being buffeted by strong westerly gales, causing the ship's timbers to be badly shaken with caulking failing to keep out sea water, and with passengers, even in their berths, lying wet and ill. This, combined with a lack of proper rations and unsanitary conditions for several months, attributed to what would be fatal for many, especially the majority of women and children. On the way there were two deaths, a crew member and a passenger, but the worst was yet to come after arriving at their destination when, in the space of several months, almost half the passengers perished in cold, harsh, unfamiliar New England winter.

On November 9/19, 1620, after about three months at sea, including a month of delays in England, they spotted land, which was the Cape Cod Hook, now called Provincetown Harbor. And after several days of trying to get south to their planned destination of the Colony of Virginia, strong winter seas and a damaged ship forced them to return to the Cape Cod Hook where they anchored on November 11/21. Since there were no established laws where they landed they wrote the Mayflower Compact, which made rules on how they would live and treat each other. James Chilton was one of the signers

From Bradford's recollection about the Chilton family on the Mayflower: "James Chilton, and his wife, and Mary, their dougter. They had an other doughter, that was maried, came afterward."

From Bradford's recollection about the Chilton family in later years: "James Chilton and his wife also dyed in the first infection. But their daughter Mary is still living, and hath *9* children, and one daughter is maried, and hath a child; so their increase is *10*"

Family
James Chilton married by 1586 and had ten children. Three of the daughters, Isabella, Ingel (Angel) and Mary survived to adulthood and married. Both Isabella, who came to Plymouth later, and Mary, who was a Mayflower passenger, are known to have descendants.

Children
All children were born either in Canterbury or Sandwich (10 mi. distant) in Kent, England. Only three daughters, Isabella, Ingel, and Mary lived to maturity.

1 Isabella Chilton was baptized in 1586/7. She married Roger Chandler in Leiden, Holland on July 21, 1615 and had four children. There is no record of Isabella's death. Bradford's statement that Chilton had another daughter is the only proof that Isabella came to Plymouth. The family probably came to Plymouth in either 1629 or 1630 when Bradford states that "the rest of the Leiden contingent arrived". There is also an earliest tax record showing Roger Chandler March 25, 1633. Chandler is also shown in a record of those men able to bear arms in 1643, and a land record in 1644. He is also listed as a Freeman in 1648. Chandler died in Duxbury between 1658 and 1665. In October 1665, the land in Plymouth Colony (150 acres) is granted to the  three unnamed daughters of Roger Chandler, deceased.

2 Jane Chilton was baptized June 8, 1589.

3 Joel Chilton was born about 1591 and buried in 1593.

4 Mary Chilton (first with that name) was born and died in 1593.

5 Elizabeth Chilton was baptized July 14, 1594.

6 James Chilton (the first with that name) was baptized August 22, 1596.

7 Ingel (Ingell) (Angel) Chilton was baptized on April 29, 1599. She married Robert Nelson in Leiden, Holland on August 27, 1622. She also married to Daniel Pietersz in Leiden on 26-3-1636 and to Matthijs Tilligem on 27-6-1637, witness was her sister Christina and her brother-in-law to be, Dionys van Steenstraten.

8 Christian was baptized on July 26, 1601. She was married to Joris Abrahamsz in Leiden on 16-05-1635, witness to this marriage was Engeltgen her sister and after the death of Joris she was married to Dionys van Steenstraten in Leiden on 16-1-1636.

9 James Chilton (the second with that name) was baptized on September 11, 1603.

10 Mary (the second with that name) was baptized on May 30, 1607. Her parents died early at Plymouth Colony. She was an orphan at age 13. In the 1623 land division, a "Marie" Chilton received shares for her parents' land. Since it is listed between Alden and Standish, it has been suggested that she lived with either of those two families. There is no record which states with whom she lived after her parents' death. Between July 1623 and May 22, 1627, she married John Winslow in Plymouth. They had ten children. John is listed as having arrived at Plymouth in 1621 aboard the Fortune. John and Mary are part of the records of the 1627 division of cattle. John died before May 21, 1674, which is the date his will is proved. Mary died before July 11, 1679 which is the date her will was proved.

Death and Memorial of James Chilton and his wife
Chilton died on December 8 (New Style 18), 1620. He was the only Mayflower Compact signer who died while the Mayflower was anchored at Cape Cod. There are three memorials to him in Provincetown. There is a small memorial plaque at Winthrop Street Cemetery, another in Pilgrims' First Landing Park (in the middle of the rotary at the extreme west end of Commercial Street), and the larger "Mayflower Passengers Who Died At Sea" memorial plaque at Bas Relief Park.

Chilton's wife died about a month after him. She died of what was called the first sickness. She died early in 1621. James was buried ashore on Cape Cod. Chilton and his wife are remembered in Cole's Hill Burial Ground, and, as with others buried then, in an unmarked grave. Her name appears on the Pilgrim Memorial Tomb, Plymouth, Massachusetts as "James Chilton's wife".

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Small Press Expo

The Small Press Expo (SPX) is an American alternative comics convention. A registered 501(c)(3) that was created in 1994, every year since its inception, SPX has put on a festival, known as The Expo, that provides a forum for artists, writers and publishers of comic art in its various forms to present their creations to the public and to expose the public to comic art not normally accessible through normal commercial channels. The annual SPX festival is typically held in the fall in Bethesda, Maryland. SPX is unique amongst the various comic conventions as it does not allow retailers to have a formal presence at the convention. Only creators and publishers are allowed to set up at the festival, although retailers can and do attend the show with the general public through paid admissions.

SPX is the home of the Ignatz Awards, which have been presented there annually since 1997. As one of the few festival awards rewarded in comics, they are voted on by attendees.

SPX is closely associated with the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund (CBLDF). A portion of the profits from the annual SPX festival including fundraising activities that take place during the convention weekend, go to the CBLDF. From 1997 to 2000, as well as in 2002 and 2004, SPX was held in conjunction with the International Comics and Animation Festival (ICAF).

History
SPX was founded in 1994 by a group of Washington-Baltimore area retailers to promote diversity in the comics marketplace. It also coincided with Dave Sim's "Spirits of Independence" tour. Profits from at least the 1995 and 1996 shows were earmarked for the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund. Attendees of the early years often speak of the close-knit community that was attained during the convention, citing offbeat occurrences such as James Kochalka's nude musical performance in 1998 and the annual pig roast/picnic/softball game.

Both the Expo and ICAF, scheduled for September 14–16, were canceled in 2001 due to creators' travel difficulties related to the September 11, 2001 attacks. The so-called SP-Xiles event was held on September 16 in Brooklyn, New York to in some ways replace the canceled Expo; it raised $1925.00 for the American Red Cross and the New York Fire Fighter's 9-11 Relief Fund.

In 2011 SPX began a new charitable initiative, the Graphic Novel Gift Program. Through this initiative, SPX purchases graphics novels on behalf of a local library system, as selected from a list of works from participating publishers. SPX provides participating libraries with a pull list and a budget. The selected books are provided to the library as a gift of the Small Press Expo. Artist Lili Carre created a special bookplate that is included with each volume provided through the SPX Graphic Novel Gift Program.

The 2020 edition of the show, scheduled to be held September 12–13, was canceled due to the COVID-19 pandemic; the Ignatz Awards ceremony was held online. The 2021 edition of the show was also held entirely online.

Event dates and locations

 * 1994: June 10 — Bethesda Ramada Inn, Bethesda, Maryland
 * 1995: June 23 — Bethesda, Maryland
 * 1996: September 20 — Holiday Inn Select, Bethesda, Maryland
 * 1997: September 19–21 — Quality Hotel, Silver Spring, Maryland
 * 1998: September 26–27 — Holiday Inn Select, Bethesda, Maryland
 * 1999: September 17–19 — Holiday Inn Select, Bethesda, Maryland
 * 2000: September 15–17 — Holiday Inn Select, Bethesda, Maryland
 * 2001: September 14–16 — cancelled because of 9/11 attacks
 * 2002: September 6–8 — Bethesda Holiday Inn, Bethesda, Maryland
 * 2003: September 5–7 — Holiday Inn Select, Bethesda, Maryland
 * 2004: October 1–3 — Holiday Inn Select Bethesda, Bethesda, Maryland
 * 2005: September 23–24 — Holiday Inn Select Bethesda, Bethesda, Maryland
 * 2006: October 13–14 — Bethesda North Marriott Hotel & Conference Center, North Bethesda, Maryland
 * 2007: October 12–13 — Bethesda North Marriott Hotel & Conference Center, North Bethesda, Maryland
 * 2008: October 4–5 — Bethesda North Marriott Hotel & Conference Center, North Bethesda, Maryland
 * 2009: September 26–27 — Bethesda North Marriott Hotel & Conference Center, North Bethesda, Maryland
 * 2010: September 11–12 — Bethesda North Marriott Hotel & Conference Center, North Bethesda, Maryland
 * 2011: September 10–11 — Bethesda North Marriott Hotel & Conference Center, North Bethesda, Maryland
 * 2012: September 15–16 — Bethesda North Marriott Hotel & Conference Center, North Bethesda, Maryland
 * 2013: September 14–15 — Bethesda North Marriott Hotel & Conference Center, North Bethesda, Maryland
 * 2014: September 13–14 — Bethesda North Marriott Hotel & Conference Center, North Bethesda, Maryland
 * 2015: September 19–20 — Bethesda North Marriott Hotel & Conference Center, North Bethesda, Maryland
 * 2016: September 17–18 — Bethesda North Marriott Hotel & Conference Center, North Bethesda, Maryland
 * 2017: September 16–17 — Bethesda North Marriott Hotel & Conference Center, North Bethesda, Maryland
 * 2018: September 15–16 — Bethesda North Marriott Hotel & Conference Center, North Bethesda, Maryland
 * 2019: September 14–15 — Bethesda North Marriott Hotel & Conference Center, North Bethesda, Maryland
 * 2020: September 12–13 — Bethesda North Marriott Hotel & Conference Center, North Bethesda, Maryland — cancelled due to COVID-19 pandemic.
 * 2021: September 18–19 — entire convention held online due to COVID-19 pandemic
 * 2022: September 17–18 — Bethesda North Marriott Hotel & Conference Center, North Bethesda, Maryland
 * 2023: September 9–10 — Bethesda North Marriott Hotel & Conference Center, North Bethesda, Maryland

SPX Anthology
From 1997 to 2004, SPX published an annual anthology as a companion to the convention. The first edition (1997) was in standard comic format, while all subsequent editions were in digest format. Contributors included Alex Robinson, Frank Cho, Marc Hempel, Brian Ralph, and many others. The anthology was discontinued as an annual production after 2004.

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Guangzhou International Women's Open

The Guangzhou Open (formerly the Guangzhou International Women's Open) is a tennis tournament held in Guangzhou, People's Republic of China. Held since 2004, the inaugural tournament had Li Na as the first ever Chinese singles title winner.

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Ready Brek

Ready Brek (stylized as Ready brek) is an oat-based breakfast cereal produced by Weetabix Limited. It is intended to be served hot, and comes in two varieties — 'original' and 'chocolate'. Other variants were available but have since been discontinued.

History
Ready Brek was originally produced by J. Lyons and Co., created from experimentation by Walter Pitts, the Greenford factory manager from the Tea Division of Lyons.

It was launched in 1957 as an instant porridge, then in 1969 as an instant hot cereal. The product is now called a smooth porridge, as porridge is now once again popular. The brand was purchased by Weetabix in June 1990, and it is more popular in autumn and winter. Ready Brek had the slogans "Central heating for kids" and "Get up and Glow", and television adverts during the 1970s and 1980s showed children walking to school with a superimposed radiant glow. The voice over for the commercials was provided by Jon Pertwee.

In 2017, Ready Brek teamed up with Walker Books' popular children's book and brand, We're Going on a Bear Hunt to run a campaign promoting getting outdoors and adopting a healthy, balanced lifestyle.

In production

 * Original
 * Chocolate

Discontinued

 * Banana
 * Butterscotch
 * Strawberry
 * Butter
 * Golden Syrup
 * Gingerbread
 * Toffee
 * Seriously Oaty
 * Honey

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Habir Russol

Habir Russol is a citizen of Afghanistan who was held in extrajudicial detention in the United States Guantanamo Bay detainment camps, in Cuba. Russol was released from Guantanamo on July 18, 2005.

Identity
Russol's release from Guantanamo was widely covered by the news media. However he was not named on the full official list of all the men who had been held in military custody, in Guantanamo. His internment serial number was 120.

Press reports
Reporters interviewed Russol, and Moheb Ullah Borekzai, another Afghan who was released at the same time, on July 20, 2005, the day they arrived home. In this interview they revealed that Camp Delta was in the midst of a widespread hunger strike.

Borekzai and Russol estimated that over 180 detainees were participating in the hunger strike, and that it had been going on for over two weeks.

Initially DoD spokesman Flex Plexico denied any knowledge of a hunger strike. On July 21, 2005, three days after their departure, Plexico claimed that only a small number of detainees had been refusing food, and that they had only been doing so for three days.

The lawyers of Guantanamo details later corroborated the details of the Afghans claims, saying that they had been aware of the hunger strike as early as June 23, 2005, but had not been able to say anything because of a DoD gag placed on them.

Borekzai told the Associated Press the detaineesa are protesting because "some of these people say they were mistreated during interrogation. Some say they are innocent." The two Afghans said they had been accused of being members of the former Taliban regime, but both said they were innocent.

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User talk:Marskell/Archive 2

Anti-Polonism
I don't think it is a good idea to move the portion of anti-Polonism talk page to the archive. Almost all of the issues have not been closed as yet. Maybe you can archive the Pawelka dispute, as this is summarized in another section, but the rest is still open. Alx-pl  D  11:08, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Look at the article now. Alx-pl  D  19:58, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

I just wanted to point you out the way Molobo "works" on the article and I agree that his edits make it only worse. Alx-pl  D  05:00, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

It does not seem to make sense to answer Molobo's claims in the article. Any idea how to proceed ? Groeck 18:42, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

My revert on New Orleans
I reverted myself because I wanted to remain objective; I had just sent her a 3RR warning, and it would seem somewhat poor form to cause her to violate 3RR by submitting my own reverts to the mix. :) --Golbez 16:33, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

The present dispute over the infobox is nothing to worry about. I do tire of explaining myself... Dystopos 03:38, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Terri_Schiavo + 1st section relates to my misunderstanding w/ you & Taxman.
Area set up for you to express your vote:

Talk:Terri_Schiavo

Please note that the first vote is related to a non-article matter, pertaining to removing a section of my complaints.

--GordonWattsDotCom 22:17, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you for your opinion, but the admin locking the page (who is one of our mediators), is waiting on you to OK the removal of one large section on the talk page -he's agreed to not remove it until you and Taxman vote to approve --your special section is in the first of the four vote areas --opinion and feedback appreciated, but your action is needed in the voting booth: Your lack of action is holding the article hostage -not me -I've done my part and then some extra.-- GordonWattsDotCom 01:04, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Nevermind; The admin gave me permission to remove that section, and the talk page is a lot smaller now; "We can't wait for you forever" -I voted for you by proxy as "YES, remove that large section," and took it from the talk page here and put it in the most recent archive here. OK, now the talk page is much smaller -I hope this is helpful. Now, it's less "tight quarters."-- GordonWattsDotCom 03:38, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

My RFA
Thank you very kindly for your support for my nomination. I promise your trust will not be misplaced; I may occasionally be slightly buzzed with power, but never drunk. ;) · Katefan0(scribble) 22:28, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

four edits
I made one edit to change the paragraph in the article. Then I removed the NPOV flag and fixed two dangling references. I suppose I could have edited the entire article at once so that I could do it all in "one edit", but that makes it more likely to get edit conflicts. If you wish, I'll revert myself and undo the removal of the NPOV flag and the two dangling references. But I stand by my edit to the article. The motion doesn't say anything about the transfer being illegal, only a misuse of assets. FuelWagon 14:03, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I made one change to the article, one edit, and cleanup as a result. If this counts as more than one edit, I'll revert the whole thing and do it in a single edit by editing the entire page at once rather than editing individual sections. FuelWagon 14:16, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I will edit the article in whole from now on to prevent edit-countitus. FuelWagon 14:34, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Terri Schiavo memorial sect.
Aloha. I reverted to correct the errors that you introduced into Terri Schiavo (there is no such word as "momentos"). --Viriditas | Talk 12:50, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I want to apologize for reverting your edits. As I explained on Talk:Terri Schiavo I assumed they were vandalism and reverted accordingly, however in this case I was wrong.  Thanks for keeping the lines of communication open and for your hard work on Terri Schiavo. --Viriditas  | Talk 23:57, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Primates category rework
Come check out Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Primates/category rework. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:05, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Citizen/Population defined
Perhaps we need a wiki page "citizen/population defined". You removed "property owners, eligible voters, school registrees etc." from my N.O. note which was good in terms of wordiness but does, sans definition, beg the question: what is a citizen and why do you assume it without explanation? Marskell 00:06, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I changed "citizen" to "resident" since "citizenship" is usually a status granted by nations/states, not cities. In the US, residency not a matter of formal registration as in Europe. The classes you described are useful in establishing residency, but I don't think that they make an exact science of it. The main thing is I don't see what we gain by enumerating them. If there is a place to detail the various ways of establishing residency, New Orleans, Louisiana certainly isn't it. (And of course, the whole issue is becoming moot as those who want to return are already beginning to return). Dystopos 00:16, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

M-W, citizen: "1. an inhabitant of a city or town; especially one entitled to the rights and privileges of a freeman" [1] [2]. It does usually refer to states but it hasn't ceased to refer to cities—if you can vote in a place you're citizen. Of course, you're right N.O. isn't the place to go over these things which is why I suggested a wiki page. I can't even find "Using/Misusing statistics" which seems an obvious subject. Marskell 09:10, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Etymologically, citizen can ONLY refer to cities. I was referring to any kind of verifiable official status. For example, while I was at Tulane my library card, driver's license, auto license, zoo membership, bank account and IRS address were all "back home" while my lease, utility bills, student ID, and voter registration were in New Orleans. I don't know what I would need to have done if I was there for a census year. Dystopos 13:30, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

New Orleans
No, it was not. Leave the infobox alone. The compromise was to add the note to the demographics, the way I see it. LEAVE THE INFOBOX ALONE! PERIOD! Dr. Cash 15:59, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

 * As I thought was already clear by now, I think it detracts from the infobox. The infobox should be clear and concise, with no notations. The notation in the 'demographics' section is sufficient. Especially now that the evacuation order is beginning to be lifted and the city is re-opening. Dr. Cash 16:22, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Comments re: anti-Chinese sentiment on my talk page
I apologize; however the block remained in place much longer than it ostensibly should have. As for whether the article was translated, this was not actually a comment of mine but rather that of the anon in question, who spoke after I did and, if you are correct in regards to the construction of the articles vis-a-vis anti-Americanism, is again being deceptive. --TJive 15:48, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree but I don't believe that our understanding of Sinophobia coincides with the anon's intentions for the article. See Talk:Anti-Chinese sentiment for an explanation of my meaning.  --TJive 16:07, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Flag of Belarus FAC
Thank you for your support vote. I could see your vote fine, but to get it to see on the main FAC page, just refresh the cache (your preferences will tell you how to do it). Zach (Sound Off) 17:20, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Mess'ge rec'd
I got your message on my talk page, here:

''Plz plz don't mark your edits as minor. You just cut the article in half and marked it minor! Also, do bear in mind the agreement: 5 edits right? You've made 33. I was in the middle of making an edit myself but couldn't do it because of your editing. I will make a comment on the FA request. Plz you can answer on my talk page but keep it short. Marskell 17:56, 22 September 2005 (UTC)''

The "Short" version: I had competing themes: Limited numbers of edits (I had forgotten about that, since it seemed related to the edit war, which fizzled out), and the reduction to the article size.

I had decided to not edit, so the limitations on editing 4-5 times/ day were forgotten, but your buddies did not like Mark's analysis that the article length was OK -and voted me and him down by consensus.

So, I had to address it. I did not change anything substantively except some abbreviation of words to numbers, and some contractions. (EG, instead of "two years" it became "blah blah blah for 2 years" and instead of "said that Terri could not do this" is became "said that Terri couldn't do this")

OK, Taxman said that if it was constructive edits, we could exceed --and this was "constructive."

Let's meet on the Terri talk page --and-- the Featured Article nomination talk page, OK?--GordonWatts 18:08, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

PS: The reduction in size was a "minor edit" because it did not change the substance of the article."--GordonWatts 18:09, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Big Daddy
"I know BigD comes up with a lot of bull (hey sorry, I do mean it companionably)"

Why would you say such a thing? Seriously. Big Daddy 05:27, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

 * "Why would you say such a thing? Seriously." You have come up with a lot of bull! "My friend, it's clear you HAVE NO IDEA what it means to be a born again Christian. A liberal describing Christianity is like listening to a gay friend of mine describing woman's breasts. He'll tell you their number, color shape and size, but he...just...doesn't...get it! lol!" Is this bull? Sure it is. However, I meant it totally harmlessly; I have good friends who are good friends largely like because we like to talk bull.

 * All of this said, two wrongs do not make a right and in this sense I should not have posted the comment on a talk page; I can see it would be off-putting if you are now trying to avoid the inflammatory remarks of the past. I will retract and apologize there. Marskell 08:51, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Duly noted. I thank you.Big Daddy

Schiavo
Look, Gordon's deletion of the legal history was a major change done without any consensus. The FA stuff is not consensus. Poeple complained about it being too long, that isn't the same as having a consensus saying "go delete the legal history". Taxman grossly underestimates how hard it will be to write a summary that will be balanced. The legal history that was there before getting deleted is essentially the NPOV result that all sides were happy with. Everyone has some point of view they want to add, and the end result is a big article. You can't convince someone to keep their poitn of view out, so the only response is to put all the other poitns of view in about the same topic as well. THere is no summary that will satisfy everyone because people will want their POV in the summary.

As for the intro, it doesn't give Terri's actual condition waight proportion to actual history. There were a whole bunch of motions filed, but there were only a few cases that actually went all the way through the court system and determined anything. One was the case that determined Terri had made statements that she would ahve wnated to withdraw life support, the otherwas the case that determined Terri was PVS. These are major points of contention in teh Terri Schiavo history. They should get specific mention in teh intro. Especially now that the legal history is completely gutted. There is nothing at all now.

I think this whole "featured article" thing has turned to madness. FA should be withdrawn and the article should be worked on with the goal of getting to FA status sometime down the line, but editing at the whim of every suggestion or complaint on the FA page is nonsense. These aren't people who are working on the article. They don't know the topic. And they clearly underestimate how easy their suggestiosn will be implemented. FuelWagon 19:51, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Welcome package
I'm familiar with the welcome package, wise guy. I don't need your condesension. I've read all that stuff. If you don't think my proposed changes are reasonable, all you have to do is say why. I don't appreciate being talked down to. MrVoluntarist 19:56, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

User:SarahPhelpsjr sockpuppets
Hi, Marskell, I saw your message on SlimVirgin's talk page. The two sockpuppets had already been blocked. See block log for Richardharrison and also for GordonWatts. I found the Special:Log/block page by accident some time ago, and I always go there now to check if someone has already been blocked when I see a particularly nasty bit of vandalism. Thanks for taking the trouble to report this. (By the way, the stalking issue has also been reported on WP:ANI.) Ann Heneghan (talk) 20:00, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Gorden and Gordon
I blocked the account before I even started reverting the edits. :) User:Zoe|(talk) 20:32, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

consensus
4 people do not make a consensus. FuelWagon 18:07, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

 * 3 is more than 1, but that isn't a consensus. I'd appreciate you not calling 3 to 1 a consensus, or suggesting that my edits are violating consensus, when no real consensus has been reached. Until a real consensus is reached, I expect to be able to edit the intro in an attempt to find a version that works for everyone involved. The last version, the number of paragraphs were the same, I just added a couple of sentences to give some specifics of teh two important court cases. Is "length" the end-all, be-all of how to write an intro? Is shorter alwasy better? FuelWagon 18:23, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Are you talking to me? We may have our disagreements, but I think I can trust you to edit the intro; I thought I had done well, but I "can live with" your version, which is pretty close. (I did not look at the picky details; I'm human, lol.)-- GordonWatts 03:23, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

 * "Is "length" the end-all, be-all of how to write an intro?" Neither the article nor the intro need be a "specific length," and I am sorry consensus went against your view, for I share it, but I can live with the sub-article division. i made it a clean break, with the logical separation at a legal section. "Is shorter alwasy better?" No, and this time, I think it's a little worse, but I hope upon my religious beliefs (whatever they may be) to carry me through this apparently inferior edit in the slashing of the length.-- GordonWatts 03:27, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Working version of Kate's tool
This version still works. Cheers! -- BD2412 talk 03:08, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Regarding Requests_for_comment/BigDaddy777
Since you endorsed the original RfC, I thought you might be interested to know that since the dispute resolution process has stalled due to BigDaddy's refusal to respond to this RfC, some are now questioning whether an RfAr should be filed. Your comments on this new issue would be appreciated. Mr. Tibbs 04:32, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Global city
Greetings from Hogtown! ('Scarborough', actually.) I hope you're well. Thanks for your advocacy and editions regarding the global city page and user discussions; I appreciate it ... not to mention another perspective! My personal opinion is that a certain user is a disgruntled ex-Soviet who laments the low placement of various 'Soviet' locales in the listing and general fall from grace, and is 'nixxing' (ha!) the article, but cannot cite 'world city' stature there to the contrary. While I don't dispute his assertions about the granduer of St. Petersburg, et al., and agree with using a table to summarise this and that, he has not met the burden of proof. Has he? Forgive me if I'm being argumentative, excessive, or dense ... but I don't think so! I've spent way too much time on this ... and for not what!? I hope it doesn't escalate.

By the way: care to vote on this issue? :) In any event, thanks again! E Pluribus Anthony 10:21, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi; thanks for your reply. As I noted, I don't disagree with said user's contentions regarding global cities, but they need to be substantiated and corroborated; this has not been done.  No sources have been cited, and the user's interpretations are insufficient.  A table would be nice if there were corroborative information to put in it; another section would also be good, if relevant information were contained therein.  Unfortunately, the global city article/POV tags are continually being added/reverted, despite certain users' inability or unwillingness to substantiate their claims; not only that, but this user is editing the Toronto article in response and out of spite, I believe (though not wholly inappropriately).  I do not want to be correcting such faux pas ad infinitum.

 * Thus, I think there is no choice but to seek independant arbitration/mediation! If I request mediation or (more appropriately) arbitration, do you think there are sufficient grounds and would you support it?

 * I lament this prospect, but it's the only way to ensure these articles are not in a perpetual state of ... debate and pointless revision. Thoughts?  Thanks!

 * Hello again! Out of utter frustration, I have requested mediation for the above noted issue.  Keep your legs crossed! :)  Thoughts?  Thanks, and take care! E Pluribus Anthony 23:55, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Marskell, hi! First of all, thanks for your support through this issue.  I appreciate it and hope it gets resolved soon.

 * As well, thanks for your note; understood! Coinciding with the request for mediation, I was somewhat oblivious to the 3RR rule (though knew of it) when editing the tags out in frustration until I actually found myself (and said user) blocked; a first for me.  Once I brought this to the notice of the administrator (and the request for mediation) and with assurance of not doing the same thing again, he promptly removed my block (but not said user's).

 * Earlier today, a few disagreeable edits were made to the global city article, I edited these, and these were reverted by said user. To that end, I won't be making further edits presently; I have also cautioned and requested (of the mediator) that the article be blocked/prohibited from edits by anyone (myself included) until the mediation/arbitration settles.  This will also ensure that 'sockpuppets' et al. not change the article inappropriately.  Thoughts?  Thanks again! E Pluribus Anthony 16:01, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi there! Yes: it is a valid criticism and I agree with it; citations would also prove helpful and a different section in the article may be warranted.  As well, thanks for replacing the tag; it seems appropriate given current goings-on. You might want to replace the one on the Talk:Global city page, too.

 * I received a caution from the admin about making changes, so I need to proceed carefully and 'bite my tongue.' Let me know if you've any questions.  Thank you for your counsel and diligence. E Pluribus Anthony 16:30, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Hello again! I hope you're well.  I noticed the recent exchange on the global city article and have implored other parties to refrain from making extraneous edits.  N.’s continued edits contravene our agreement with the admin and risk mutual censure.  So, I will not be editing; however . ..

 * I recommend the following wording for the relevant section in the world city article, so as to be succinct but ‘conciliatory’ (the first paragraph is fine as is, and I propose the following one or two):

 * Based on these criteria alone, the most influential cities in the world have been ranked into three classes: Alpha, Beta, and Gamma. The cities are also divided into sub-rankings within their class, based on the points given to them in the GaWC study.  Due to the criteria used, the GaWC roster may not include other cities of cultural, religious, or political significance in the world.

 * OR

 * The most influential cities in the world have been ranked into three classes: Alpha, Beta, and Gamma. The cities are also divided into sub-rankings within their class, based on the points given to them in the GaWC study.

 * As stated, the GaWC roster is weighted toward the provision of “advanced producer services” by various multinational corporations; thus, it may not include other cities of cultural, religious, or political significance in the world.

 * OR variations thereof.

 * Why this? Well:
 * (1) in the first option, it consolidates both notions succinctly: citing the criteria used in generating the GaWC list; there’s no need to say it again.
 * (2) the list is largely, but not merely, based on the prevalence of financial criteria but on the provision of financial services, advertising, et al.
 * (3) European cities are well represented, accounting for a third of the list. Note that two of the top four cities are in Europe.

 * What’s more, TO is out of whack again!

 * I hope you’ll incorporate these during your edits; however, I really want to prevent an edit war and to see this thing through. Whataythink?  Thanks again! E Pluribus Anthony 00:03, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

 * And again: thank you for brokering a modus vivendi. E Pluribus Anthony 01:53, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Thank you for your kind comments concerning my RfA. Although I even disagree with you to a point. User pages may have a little bit of leeway, but personal attacks are not allowed anywhere on Wikipedia. It does not exonerate me from what I did. Thank you for your time. Cheers. -- Lord Vold e  mort  (Dark Mark)  14:10, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

re: Articles for deletion/Cultural references in Pokémon 2 and do you not think...
Fist of all please do not leave blank headers on my talk page, it does nothing other than create a mess on the page, secondly please do not edit an AFD page after an admin has closed it, it is considered bad etiquette, if you have any comments regarding the AFD you are encourged to leave a note on it's talk page instead. Jtkiefer T - 23:32, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Because even though I may not agree with it I'm bound by the standards of rough consensus, 18 delete, 10 keep would equal 64% to delete, which is too close to be considered a consensus. Rough consensus is roughly 75-80% though it can vary and if I had deleted the article I would have been in the wrong not to mention the obvious fact that people would complain that I deleted against consensus.  Jtkiefer  T - 23:37, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Definition
The slight problem with consistent hostility is that if the United States is consistently wrong in its actions a consistent hostility would not necessarily indicate prejudice. However, the way it is phrased also seems to imply that it is always critical no matter what the circumstances. We could just give up trying to define it and say that it is a theoretically-suggested ideological current, mostly used as a pejorative. I'm still not sure what to do to tell the truth. Tfine80 00:10, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Actually, I think I will get on JSTOR or some other database and see if there have ever been any academic attempts to define it. Tfine80 00:13, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * PS -- look what happens if you enter "Definition of Anti-Americanism" into Google! Tfine80 00:15, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * That was a very interesting article. The Hollander book does seem like a key source in the attempt to classify this. I actually think that the Wikipedia article was already pretty consistent with the literature but I think we should put this sentence indicating the dispute at the top. It will save us a lot of stress in the long run. Tfine80 00:39, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * See this article:

 * I agree that it is the task of encyclopedias to define things, but this term is so debated that I feel we need some sort of disclaimer in the introduction. Is it our task to finally define the phenomenon or to define how the term is used in society and academia? This could also be seen as the task of the encyclopedia, especially an encyclopedia based in NPOV. The definition you created is even broader than the previous one, which as we both agree is dangerous (especially now that we know we are getting some stupid box at the top of Google with what we put here!). We need at least a definition that clearly indicates the insinuation of irrationality and prejudice the term usually carries. I also think that this point is critical: "It is debated whether the term represents a single ideological current or a collection of different stereotypes and prejudices that have been crudely grouped together into the concept of Anti-Americanism." What are your thoughts on this point? Tfine80 01:18, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

talk page
I answered you post when I agreed to leave one photo of the gravestone in the article, didn't I? Once I consider an issue is resolved, I tend to delete it from my talk page. I didn't know you wanted a direct answer. Your post seemed not to be asking for one or imply that one was needed. FuelWagon 23:48, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Uhm, look, if something is resolved, I move on. I delete it from my talk page. I'm not trying to hide anything by that, I just have no interest in keeping around bad blood when something gets resolved. Archiving is suggested but not mandatory. If someone posts something on my talk page because they're ticked off at me, and we go back and forth and eventually resolve our dispute, then I really don't see any benefit of keeping around the angry posts that went back and forth before we resolved it. If I think it's resolved, I wipe the slate clean. If someone wants to see posts, they can always go through the history of my talk page. The only thing that remains on my talk page are post from people I consider my friends and posts from people about unresolved issues. If something gets resolved, I don't carry it around anymore. That's just the way I am. FuelWagon 00:07, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

"cherry-picking supporting comments and removing criticism." Dude. You don't get it. If criticism is responded to and resolved, I delete it. If criticism isn't responded to or isn't resolved, I keep it around. If you want to keep around criticism of something you've worked out with someone, fine. I see no point in it, since being resolved would seem to mean that the criticism is no longer applicable. I don't simply remove criticism. I removed criticisms that have been resolved. I'm not just cherry picking and deleting any criticism. It's more like its my "to do" list, and I delete whatever has been taken care of. I don't quite understand this reaction from you. No one has ever complained about my talk page. If you have soemthing unresolved with me, you'll need to be a little more clear because I'm too dense to see it. FuelWagon 00:26, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

My RFA
Thank you very much for your vote on my RFA, it is now the 8th most supported RFA ever, and it couldnt have happened without your vote. I look forward to serving wikipedia. Again, thanks. →Jo urna list  >>talk<<  00:12, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

FuelWagon
Tim, thank you. I'm hoping it won't come to that, of course, and that he'll decide to stop, but I very much appreciate your offer of support. SlimVirgin (talk) 00:48, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:TomworkOrange

Tomwork Orange, also known as A Tomwork Orange is a young man with way too much time on his hands, and has very few ambitions in life, other than to become a freelance freelancer.

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Left Party

There are several socialist political parties with the name Left Party:

 * Estonian Left Party, in Estonian: Eesti Vasakpartei, 1990–2008
 * Estonian United Left Party in Estonian: Eestimaa Ühendatud Vasakpartei, formed in 2008
 * Left Bloc (Portugal), in Portuguese: Bloco de Esquerda
 * Left Party (France), in French: Parti de gauche
 * Left Party (Sweden), in Swedish: Vänsterpartiet
 * Left Party – Zona Franca, San Marino, in Italian: Partito della Sinistra – Zona Franca
 * Party of the European Left, a party at the European level
 * Socialist Left Party (Norway), in Norwegian: Sosialistisk Venstreparti (SV)
 * The Left (Germany) or Left Party
 * Party of Democratic Socialism (Germany), in German: Die Linkspartei.PDS

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Buzz (SFU)

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus.  Rob e  rt  22:50, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

The Buzz (SFU)
This doesn't really seem notable, and there is already an article on Simon Fraser University's newspaper The Peak. Delete -- Spinboy 22:03, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Not too sure why it isn't considered informative that there are business-specific student newsletters out there. I am an SFU student, and have had discussions with many students at other Canadian universities, who were all quite surprised and interested to hear that The Buzz exists.  Also, how is it like an advertisement?  All other Canadian student newspapers' entries seem to follow a similar structure. Keep 24.207.70.210 22:06, 3 October 2005 (UTC)pkthree

 * Anonymous users don't get to vote. That being said, read it, it's very advertisement orientated and is no way in keeping with Wikipedia's neutrality policy. It's also not a newspaper, it's a newsletter that is sent out (as I recall) 3 times a year. That's hardly worth the space here. --[[Image:Ottawa flag.png|20px]] Spinboy 23:43, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, I am anonymous no more. I am the one who created the entry. I based the style on The Peak's entry, which I see has also been marked as "advertisement" material. The Buzz prints monthly with a break during the exam periods, which would add up to 9 times a year, although I'm not sure why the fact that it is monthly should make it any less worthy. Honestly, The Buzz is a not-for-profit and isn't looking for fame or fortune by being listed on Wikipedia. We're just trying to show other students (and perhaps other Canadians in general) that business student newsletters/newspapers do exist. I'd definitely appreciate specific input on how to keep the entry as neutral; I've looked at the other entries under the Canadian Student Newspapers and really can't see why you have a specific beef with this one. Pkthree 00:13, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Outer God

Requested move
Since "Great Old One" (singular) was recently moved to Great Old Ones (plural), Outer God (singular) should probably be moved to Outer Gods (plural) for consistency. Gate 2   Valusia Oh? ..(contribs) 22:03, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Question. As a matter of policy, plural should only be used for nouns cases where singular is never used. If "Outer God" is an acceptable way of talking about one of the "Outer Gods", then it should stay at "Outer God". If "Great Old One" is likewise an acceptable reference to one of the "Great Old Ones" then it should be moved back to the singular. Since I am not at all familiar with this material, I don't know how it is conventionally used. Dragons flight 01:07, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. Since I originally requested the move, I've had a change of heart (for the record, User:Gate2Valusia is my old user name, so I'm effectively nullifying my original argument). I think I created a semantic problem when I first authored the article and used plural in the first sentence (the same thing happened with the Great Old Ones article). If the first sentence had read "An Outer God is a member of a group of fictional deites in the Cthulhu mythos of H.P. Lovecraft", there would have been no problem (even though the sentence is a bit long-winded). Hence, I'm (officially) requesting that Outer Gods be moved back to Outer God. RlyehRising 05:52, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Decision
Page moved as requested. Ryan Norton T 07:13, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Outer Gods moved back to Outer God
Noted this move. The title now conforms to Naming conventions. RlyehRising 19:31, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Merge info
Merged Abhoth, Daoloth, The Hydra (Outer God), Ghroth, Tulzscha, and Ubbo-Sathla.

The following are leftovers from the merge:

Abhoth, Daoloth, Ghroth, Tulzscha, Ubbo-Sathla

RlyehRising 05:36, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Original research?
The second introductory paragraph contains dubious information. If this information comes from a published reference, I would like to see a citation. -,-~ R 'lyeh R isin g  ~-,- 23:36, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I have dissected the disputed paragraph and listed some of my concerns: "According to H. P. Lovecraft's cosmology, there are two sets of Outer Gods: the Elder Gods and the Other Gods." Though the terms "Outer Gods" and "Other Gods" are often mistakenly used interchageably, the beings decribed below are the Other Gods blockquote> "The Other Gods are 'mindless blasphemies' from outside the capacity of humanity to understand. Most of the time, they are asleep and/or insane, and would like to see humanity dead, devoured, or made slaves. They include Cthulhu, Azathoth, Nyarlathotep, and Shub-Niggurath." "The Elder Gods are presumed to be good, but are distant and unmoved by humanities cries. Periodically, they may be invoked, but they generally neglect humanity, leaving them in the hands of the Other Gods."
 * I am given to understand that the "Elder Gods" are a separate group from the "Outer Gods", and may be their rivals. Also, this sentence claims that this is part of "H. P. Lovecraft's cosmology", though the concept of "Outer Gods" was conceived long after Lovecraft's death. What published reference makes this claim?
 * Again, what published reference makes this claim?
 * I have never seen Cthulhu classified as an "Other God"; who makes this claim? Also, Lovecraft never expounded on the motives of the "Other Gods" (in fact, he never nailed down exactly who or what they were). What published source gives this detailed analysis of the "Other Gods"?
 * This could be substantiated. It is fairly close to August Derleth's conception of the "Elder Gods", but also invokes Lovecraft's indifferentism. However, a published reference is still needed so that it doesn't look NPOV.  -,-~  R 'lyeh R isin g  ~-,- 00:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Removed from article
I removed the following section from the article for the following reasons: (1) it contains dubious facts, (2) it is uncited (and has remained so for some time, despite a request for sources via ), (3) some information contradicts the reference cited in the article (Harms, "Outer Gods", ''The Encyclopedia Cthulhiana): In the Cthulhu mythos, there are two sets of Outer Gods: the Elder Gods and the Other Gods. Though the terms "Outer Gods" and "Other Gods" are often mistakenly used interchageably, the beings described below are the Other Gods. The Other Gods are "mindless blasphemies" from outside the capacity of humanity to understand. Most of the time, they are asleep and/or insane, and would like to see humanity dead, devoured, or made slaves. They include Azathoth, Nyarlathotep, and Shub-Niggurath. The Elder Gods are presumed to be good, but are distant and unmoved by humanity's cries. Periodically, they may be invoked, but they generally neglect humanity, leaving them in the hands of the Other Gods. -,-~ R 'lyeh R isin g  ~-,- 02:10, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Uncited entries
(The Inner One) Composed of living magma.
 * C'thalpa

 * D'endrrah

(The Flautist of Azathoth) Composed of living sound.
 * Tru'nembra

;Magnum Tenebrosum —I recognize this one, so am restoring to article. RlyehRising 03:07, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

(Where does all this stuff come from? Can anyone provide a verifiable source? Do they appear in a role-playing game supplement, for example? Or is someone just making them up? I have to wonder...) -,-~ R 'lyeh R isin g  ~-,- 03:24, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes, they do, some obscure French ones for the first two. Not sure nof the third, but I am certain it is out there.

 * Tru'nembra is reference in a few of Chaosium's Call of Cthulhu products and, I think, in Encyclopaedia Cthulhiana. It is derived from The Music of Erich Zann. Will try to dig up more specific references. - CNichols 02:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Ubbo-Sathla and Abhoth?
Are these two really Outer Gods? They seem to be Great Old Ones at best (localized, without cosmic influence). 98.198.12.5 22:35, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Other, Outer, Earth and whatsoever Gods
I believe I read something in this article about the Outer/Other Gods being the Gods from beyond the Earth, and the Great Old Ones being the Gods of the Earth. Now I don't know if I might be mistaken, but I believe that a completely different pantheon of Gods appearing in the dreamlands (from Lovecraft's Dream Cycle) were already referred to as the 'Gods of Earth'. Can somebody clarify this? Cyanid (talk) 15:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Tru'nembra
Alright, found this name in various place such as Chaosium's sourcebook Malleus Monstrorum (I don't have Encyclopedia Cthulhiana). Question is, while I known this is the name given to the sound in The Music of Erich Zann by post-Lovecraft author, do anybody have info on the work that first use this name? L-Zwei (talk) 06:33, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

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Joystick (disambiguation)

A joystick is a control device.

Joystick may also refer to:

 * Side-stick, a flight control device
 * Centre stick, a flight control device

Music

 * "Joystick", a 1964 single by The Tornados
 * Joystick, a 1983 single by the Dazz Band
 * Joystick, a 1983 album by the Dazz Band
 * Joystick, a 2002 album by Rockbot
 * "Joystick" (song), a 2010 song by Simon Curtis from the album 8Bit Heart

Other

 * Joystick (comics), a fictional character in the Marvel Comics universe
 * Joysticks (film), a 1983 comedy about a video arcade
 * Joystiq, a video game website
 * Joystick (magazine), a French magazine
 * Slang for penis, the primary sexual organ of male animals

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Clayton High School (North Carolina)

Clayton High School is a public high school in Clayton, North Carolina.

Notable alumni

 * Chris Archer, MLB player and 2x All-Star selection
 * Gary Clark, NBA player
 * Johnny Dutch, USA Track & Field athlete
 * Kendra Harrison, world record setting hurdler, silver medalist at 2020 Summer Olympics in women's 100 meter hurdles
 * Corey Lee, MLB player
 * Evan Phillips, MLB player
 * James Talacek, professional aquanaut

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Fries rearrangement

The Fries rearrangement, named for the German chemist Karl Theophil Fries, is a rearrangement reaction of a phenolic ester to a hydroxy aryl ketone by catalysis of Lewis acids.

It involves migration of an acyl group of phenol ester to the aryl ring. The reaction is ortho and para selective and one of the two products can be favoured by changing reaction conditions, such as temperature and solvent.

Mechanism
Despite many efforts, a definitive reaction mechanism for the Fries rearrangement has not been determined. Evidence for inter- and intramolecular mechanisms have been obtained by crossover experiments with mixed reactants.The reaction progress is not dependent on solvent or substrate. A widely accepted mechanism involves a carbocation intermediate. In the first reaction step a Lewis acid for instance aluminium chloride co-ordinates to the carbonyl oxygen atom of the acyl group. This oxygen atom is more electron rich than the phenolic oxygen atom and is the preferred Lewis base. This interaction polarizes the bond between the acyl residue and the phenolic oxygen atom and the aluminium chloride group rearranges to the phenolic oxygen atom. This generates a free acylium carbocation which reacts in a classical electrophilic aromatic substitution with the aromatic ring. The abstracted proton is released as hydrochloric acid where the chlorine is derived from aluminium chloride. The orientation of the substitution reaction is temperature dependent. A low reaction temperature favors para substitution and with high temperatures the ortho product prevails, this can be rationalised as exhibiting classic thermodynamic versus kinetic reaction control as the ortho product can form a more stable bidentate complex with the aluminium. Formation of the ortho product is also favoured in non-polar solvents; as the solvent polarity increases, the ratio of the para product also increases.

Scope
Phenols react to form esters instead of hydroxyarylketones when reacted with acyl halides under Friedel-Crafts acylation conditions. Therefore, this reaction is of industrial importance for the synthesis of hydroxyarylketones, which are important intermediates for several pharmaceuticals. As an alternative to aluminium chloride, other Lewis acids such as boron trifluoride and bismuth triflate or strong protic acids such as hydrogen fluoride and methanesulfonic acid can also be used. In order to avoid the use of these corrosive and environmentally unfriendly catalysts altogether research into alternative heterogeneous catalysts is actively pursued.

Limits
In all instances only esters can be used with stable acyl components that can withstand the harsh conditions of the Fries rearrangement. If the aromatic or the acyl component is heavily substituted then the chemical yield will drop due to steric constraints. Deactivating meta-directing groups on the benzene group will also have an adverse effect as can be expected for a Friedel–Crafts acylation.

Photo-Fries rearrangement
In addition to the ordinary thermal phenyl ester reaction a photochemical variant is possible. The photo-Fries rearrangement can likewise give [1,3] and [1,5] products, which involves a radical reaction mechanism. This reaction is also possible with deactivating substituents on the aromatic group. Because the yields are low this procedure is not used in commercial production. However, photo-Fries rearrangement may occur naturally, for example when a plastic object made of aromatic polycarbonate, polyester or polyurethane, is exposed to the sun (aliphatic carbonyls undergo Norrish reactions, which are somewhat similar). In this case, photolysis of the ester groups would lead to leaching of phthalate from the plastic.

Anionic Fries rearrangement
In the anionic Fries rearrangement ortho-metalation of aryl esters, carbamates and carbonates with a strong base results in a rearrangement to give ortho-carbonyl species.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Come Baby Come

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. – Rich Farmbrough 20:26, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Come Baby Come
Stub for a song by an artist without an aritcle of their own. Notablility not established. FuriousFreddy 03:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. The song is notable (I can hum it)- I think it's a a UK one-hit wonder. Online shop with some more info on it The Land 11:41, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Would it not be best to make an article for the artist, and mention the song there? --FuriousFreddy 13:59, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. If it's a one-hit wonder, I think it would be much more likely that users would search for this term instead. However, an additional redirect at the singer/band name may be appropriate, or perhaps the other way around (redirect from this search term to author page). --Jacquelyn Marie 16:48, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Whie it would seem better to do it the other way around (article on artists with song title as redirect), that isn't a bad suggestion, so long as someone expands the article to establish notability. --FuriousFreddy 17:05, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and clean-up. Notable song and there's plenty of precedent for notable songs to have their own articles. 23skidoo 14:59, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * keep Song is notable, more notable than artist. So what? Roodog2k  (Hello there!) 16:27, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It's one of the worst songs I've heard, but keep. Punkmorten 21:02, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect to "K7". --fvw *  11:41, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to a disambiguation page? The Land 11:44, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Ehm, that should be K7 (musician). --fvw *  19:32, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * keep this too please the song is famous why should we erase an article about it that would not make sense to me Yuckfoo 19:13, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong keep per other reasons to keep. --SuperDude 02:40, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect to "K7". If this guy is big enough to have a page of his own, then 'maybe' his song gets a page.  As of now...non-notable.--Daniel Lotspeich 02:52, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Basically contentless article that doesn't seem to meet any of my personal criteria for what constitutes an encyclopedic song. -R. fiend 18:12, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

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