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RE: Reorginazation
The article was starting to get a bit messy, with different standards for one section than the other, so I decided to shake it up, but I'm not married to anything.

I absolutely agree about pulling Virginia. I was thinking of mentioning that, but hadn't gotten around to it.

I'm not sure what you mean about too wordy, but I think there are a lot of times when we describe where the tracks went rather than just showing them on a map. I think maps are better than "It ran south on 7th, west on K etc..."

I like breaking it up by company. I think if we had you're map - which I like - and then a map of each company's system at its peak that would be great. At least until we get to mergers. we could group the companies by how important they were or something.

I agree about the technology categorization. When I was trying to restructure, I found it a bit confining, but I think if we include it in each companies description we can cover it. I'm not sure if we need to explain how every item works since we can just link to "cable car" and such. This is really about the history of the DC system - so unless there's something unique about the technology, I think it can be breezed over.

There are places on the Hill where the tracks are still beneath the surface. Because they heat up and cool down differently than the asphault, they often crack the streets. You can see it on the west side of Lincoln Park where the tracks turned onto East Capital. There are also visible tracks all around P St SE and out to Buzzard's point, but I think those are old rail tracks - not streetcar.

Yeah, the thing about Dupont Circle being the start of taking the system underground is not too reliable. I'm OK with removing it.

Reorganization
Cranor, I see you've been busy. I was thinking that this article needed some restructuring. I'm not entirely pleased with the way it's going.

First, I think it's time to pull the Virginia stuff out and put it into a separate article. What do you think? The Virginia system was a much more rural system than the DC/Maryland side and was never legally or structually incorporated into the rest. It will be easy to pull out by itself.

I'm also thinking the article is too wordy, at least at the beginning. It needs more pictures. Also, I'm worried that we're giving all the old company names too much prominence. Many of those company names were short lived. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it seems the most important thing is "Where did the streetcars go?" For that, we need maps. Problem is, the system was never stable. I'm thinking about drawing a map showing every line that ever existed. I'll attach to this talk page a Metro-like diagram I've been working on for the total system. Feel free to let me know what you think. I adapted it from a diagram in one of the books in the references. I'm attempting to make it a little more geographically accurate. I'm also working on a map of the horsecar lines laid out on L'Enfant's original city plan and a diagram of the tracks in the downtown era during the system's height. Kmf164, you mention that you are skilled in mapmaking. Any suggestions? Also, any specialized tools that you have? I'm just working with the basic drawing programs here.

Also, I'm not sure about the first-level sort of Horsecars/Cable Cars/Electric. There was plenty of overlap there, and the cable-car era is practically a footnote. (Although before starting this article, I didn't realize that cable cars had been widely used outside of SF.) I'm wondering if most of that detail ought to be moved down to the Technology section where the electric conduits are discussed.

Also, take a look at this article. In the third paragraph, it mentions visible streetcar tracks on Capitol Hill. Any idea where these are? I thought the Georgetown ones were the only ones still showing.

Also, the comment about Dupont Circle being a test case for moving the system underground. I know there had been talk of moving the downtown lines underground before that. But I thought the Connecticut Avenue tunnel was built just because traffic was bad in Dupont Circle.

I don't have all the books I've listed in the references section. I've tried to track down every book that has anything to say on the subject. I haven't begun looking for newspaper and magazine articles. If you have any other sources, let me know.

SDC 21:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Proposed future streetcars
The new streetcars that Metro is planning... I've been thinking about it for quite a while, and I'm not so sure that they belong in this article, which concentrates on the historic pre-Metro streetcar network. The new one would probably be a better fit on Washington Metro. Thoughts? SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:56, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I can't say that I disagree entirely. I'm not sure where it ought to go. Perhaps even its own article. I guess I'm curious to see if they put the lines on the Metrorail map. I agree that there's a problem putting it on this page, but it does deserve a mention here for the following reasons:

 * 1) The assets of DC Transit were purchased by WMATA. Some old car barns became metrobus barns.
 * 2) It's no coincidence that the H Street Corridor was chosen as a new streetcar line. The commercial district there exists because of the old streetcar line.
 * 3) People are also asking whether the old ban on overhead wires will apply to the new H Street line.

For the moment, I wasn't worried about where it was going. These lines sound like they're still very much in the planning stages. I was going to wait until these things are more definite, before I worry about it. I'm still working on this article. I'm just short of time these days. I still need to do a lot of research. I would have no problem pulling the information out, and then refering to the new article where appropriate.

SDC 07:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I went ahead and moved the information about future streetcars to Washington Metro, since that's being done as part of Metro. I'm going to add a disambiguation link to indicate that this article refers to the historic network, not the proposed new streetcars. SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:13, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Pertinent Movies
"+" Consider 1944 "Government Girl" for inclusion in movies. Many very good on street locale shots.

/vt.... Bel Air, MD 72.85.3.224 15:09, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

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I'm already working on it, but it will take me longer than a week. Cranor 22:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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Title change
I was thinking about changing the title of this article. First in needs to be Washington D.C., not just Washington. Also I was debating between Streetcars in Washington, D.C. and Washinton, D.C. Streetcars. The first seems to be more common among other tram related articles. The second is closed to what has been done and requires one less word. Volcycle 22:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Personally, I like "Streetcars in Washington, D.C.". It seems to just read better. SchuminWeb (Talk) 10:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Article way too long
This article is WAY too long. It's got a lot of great information, but it's really long and takes forever to load. Therefore, I propose we whack it up into a few smaller articles. Thoughts on where to split? SchuminWeb (Talk) 16:43, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

 * The splitting by company that I started (Capital Traction Company) can be continued. --NE2 10:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

 * I had trouble deciding what to leave out and was hoping someone would help. Splitting it up by company is one possibility or you could break it pre and post electricity. Volcycle 06:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

 * What if we pulled the remnants out and made that a separate article Volcycle 04:27, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

 * As a related aside to this discussion, involved editors should be aware of this discussion that I just stumbled across; the suggestion was made there that when an article is significantly split, it should be reassessed as a non-GA/FA class until it can go through the GA/FA process for additional quality review after the split. The best resolution would be to bring all articles that result from the split up to at least GA level, and if the split is done carefully and studiously enough, there shouldn't be too many issues raised in the re-evaluations. Slambo (Speak) 17:42, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm going to try to slim this down. I'm going to cover the big important things about each company in this article and then cover each company in greater detail in its own article. Things I plan to cover in this article for each company - incorporated date, start date, where it ran from and to (but not route), major expansion dates, when it changed power modes and when it went out of existence. I also plan to create a separate remnants page. Volcycle 07:38, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

"Consolidation" section
It says "Later that year, i bought the" which doesn't seem to make sense... and I wasn't sure how to fix it since removing the 'i' doesn't seem 100% correct. Any thoughts? gren グレン 05:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Reading the passage in the context of the rest of the paragraph, I changed it to "it". Someone probably inadvertently deleted the "t" at some point, so I restored it. SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:27, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Commons
I have placed all of the images that can be on the Commons and hopefully the few that don't have good enough sources at the moment will be found and maybe even higher resolution versions like I found for the power plant. I am hoping that this will eventually lead to a good commons category of images of the DC tramway. gren グレン 07:41, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

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Stuart Chase

Stuart Chase (March 8, 1888 – November 16, 1985) was an American economist, social theorist, and writer. His writings covered topics as diverse as general semantics and physical economy. His thought was shaped by Henry George (1839-1897), by economic philosopher Thorstein Veblen (1857-1929), by Fabian socialism, and briefly by the Communist social and educational experiments in the Soviet Union to around 1930, though Chase was broadly a modern American liberal.

Chase spent his early political career supporting "a wide range of reform causes: the single tax, women's suffrage, birth control and socialism." Chase's early books, The Tragedy of Waste (1925) and Your Money's Worth (1927), were notable for their criticism of corporate advertising and their advocacy of consumer protection. In 1929 Chase co-founded Consumers' Research, a consumer protection advocacy organization.

Early life
Chase was born in Somersworth, New Hampshire, to public accountant Harvey Stuart Chase and Aaronette Rowe. His family had been living in New England since the 17th century. He attended the Massachusetts Institute of Technology from 1907 to 1908 and graduated from Harvard University in 1910 as a public accountant. After graduating, Chase became part of his father's accounting firm in Boston.

Chase married Margaret Hatfield in 1914 and had two children, Sonia and Robert. He and Margaret were divorced in 1929, and one year later, he married Marian Tyler, a violinist and staff member at The Nation who collaborated with him on several of his books; she survived him by three and a half years.

Career
In 1917, Chase left accounting and took a position with the Food Administration of the Federal Trade Commission in Washington, D.C. In the commission, Chase conducted investigations on waste and corruption, one of them being the meat-packing industry with Upton Sinclair.

In 1921, Chase joined, along with economic philosopher Veblen, the Technical Alliance, which later became Technocracy Incorporated, part of the Technocracy movement. Chase also worked with the Labor Bureau, an organization that provided services for labor unions and cooperatives.

In 1927, Chase wrote Your Money's Worth, discussing advertisements that promise but fail to deliver products as advertised to customers who order them. In 1927, Chase traveled to the Soviet Union with members of the First American Trade Union Delegation and was the co-author of a book that praised Soviet experiments in agricultural and social management. In 1932, Chase wrote A New Deal, which became identified with the economic programs of American President Franklin Roosevelt. He also wrote a cover story in The New Republic, "A New Deal for America", which appeared days before Roosevelt promised "a new deal" in his speech accepting the presidential nomination of the Democratic Party. Whether Roosevelt speechwriter Samuel Rosenman got the phrase from Chase is unknown.

Chase's 1938 book The Tyranny of Words was an early and influential popularization of Alfred Korzybski's theory of general semantics.

Chase supported United States non-interventionism and was against U.S. entry in World War II, advocating this position in his 1939 book The New Western Front. After the war, Chase became involved in social science. In 1948, he published The Proper Study of Mankind in which he introduced the social sciences to several college campuses.

In a 1952 article, "Nineteen Propositions About Communism," Chase criticized the government of the Soviet Union (dominated by Stalin), stating that its citizens, trade unions and farmers "had no power" despite the claims of Communist supporters. Chase also dismissed the Communist Party USA as "our minuscule menace" whose members consisted of "a high proportion of frustrated neurotics and plain crackpots as well as some high minded-idealists — a tragic group, this last."

Chase also quoted Herbert Philbrick (who had been encouraged by the FBI to infiltrate the Communist Party USA between 1940 and 1949) to the effect that "the McCarthyites and demagogues ... make the work of the FBI more difficult by confusing the innocent with the guilty."

In the 1960s, during the Presidency of Lyndon B. Johnson, Chase lent his support to the Lyndon Johnson administration's Great Society policies.

Chase died in Redding, Connecticut.

Quotations
Chase is famous for the rhetorical question at the end of his book A New Deal, "Why should the Soviets have all the fun remaking a world?" That was a reference to the "socialist experiment" in the Soviet Union.

He is quoted in Hayakawa's Language in Thought and Action as having said, "Common sense is that which tells us the world is flat."

Free Enterprise into "X"
On pages 95 and 96 of The Road We Are Traveling, under the heading of "Free Enterprise into 'X'", Chase listed 18 characteristics of political economy that he had observed among Russia, Germany, Italy, Japan, and Spain between 1913 and 1942. Chase labeled this phenomenon "... something called 'X'". Characteristics include the following:

 * 1) A strong, centralized government.
 * 2) An executive arm growing at the expense of the legislative and judicial arms.
 * 3) The control of banking, credit and security exchanges by the government.
 * 4) The underwriting of employment by the government, either through armaments or public works.
 * 5) The underwriting of social security by the government – old-age pensions, mothers' pensions, unemployment insurance, and the like.
 * 6) The underwriting of food, housing, and medical care, by the government.
 * 7) The use of deficit spending to finance these underwritings.
 * 8) The abandonment of gold in favor of managed currencies.
 * 9) The control of foreign trade by the government.
 * 10) The control of natural resources.
 * 11) The control of energy sources.
 * 12) The control of transportation.
 * 13) The control of agricultural production.
 * 14) The control of labor organizations.
 * 15) The enlistment of young men and women in youth corps devoted to health, discipline, community service and ideologies consistent with those of the authorities.
 * 16) Heavy taxation, with special emphasis on the estates and incomes of the rich.
 * 17) Control of industry without ownership.
 * 18) State control of communications and propaganda.

Selected bibliography

 * The Challenge of Waste 1922.
 * Your Money's Worth: A study in the waste of the consumer's dollar (with Frederick J. Schlink). 1928
 * Soviet Russia in the Second Decade – A Joint Survey by the Technical Staff of the First American Trade Union Delegation (with Rexford Tugwell). 1928
 * The Tragedy of Waste. New York, Macmillan, 1925, 1929 and 1937
 * Men and Machines 1929
 * Prosperity Fact or Myth. Paper Books, NY 1929
 * The Nemesis of American Business 1931
 * Mexico – A Study of Two Americas 1931.
 * A New Deal. New York, The Macmillan company, 1932.
 * John Day pamphlet series 1932–34
 * vol. 2:Out of the Depression – and After: A Prophecy 1932.
 * vol. 19:Technocracy: An Interpretation 1933.
 * vol. 32:The Promise of Power 1933.
 * vol. 45:Move the Goods 1934.
 * The Economy of Abundance New York, The Macmillan company, 1934. Available via the Hathi Trust
 * Rich Land, Poor Land 1936.
 * The Tyranny of Words New York: Harcourt, Brace and Co, 1938.
 * The New Western Front (with Marian Tyler). Harcourt, Brace and Company, 1939.
 * A Primer of Economics, 1941.
 * A Generation of Industrial Peace;: Thirty years of labor relations at Standard Oil Company 1941.
 * When the war ends book series 1942–46, guide lines to America's future as reported to the Twentieth Century Fund by Stuart Chase
 * vol. 1: The Road We Are Traveling: 1914–1942 — Copyrighted in the United States until 2038 due to Renewal R189866
 * vol. 2: Goals for America: a budget of our needs and resources.
 * vol. 3: Where's the money coming from? Problems of postwar finance.
 * vol. 4: Democracy under pressure: special interests vs the public welfare.
 * vol. 5: Tomorrow's trade: problems of our foreign commerce.
 * vol. 6: For this we fought.
 * The Proper Study of Mankind Harper & Brothers 1948.
 * Roads to Agreement: Successful methods in the science of human relations 1951
 * Danger – Men Talking! a Background Book on Semantics and Communication
 * The Proper Study of Mankind Harper Colophon Books, 1956
 * Guides to Straight Thinking, With 13 Common Fallacies. New York: Harper, 1956.
 * Live and Let Live: A Program for Americans 1959
 * American Credos 1962

Responses to Chase

 * Vangermeersch, Richard G. J. The Life and Writings of Stuart Chase (1888–1985): From an Accountant's Perspective. Amsterdam: Elsevier JAI, 2005. ISBN 978-0-7623-1213-9

George Orwell mentioned Chase in his 1946 essay "Politics and the English Language". While discussing using language to express thought, Orwell mentions the claim held by Chase and others that abstract words are meaningless, and their use of this claim as a pretext for advocating a kind of political quietism. He adds, "One need not swallow such absurdities as this, but one ought to recognise that the present political chaos is connected with the decay of language, and that one can probably bring about some improvement by starting at the verbal end. If you simplify your English, you are freed from the worst follies of orthodoxy. You cannot speak any of the necessary dialects, and when you make a stupid remark its stupidity will be obvious, even to yourself."

In 1969 President Richard Nixon cited Chase's work in a message to Congress about consumer protection.

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Apollo Perelini

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Perelini played for St Helens at in their 1999 Super League Grand Final victory over Bradford Bulls, having won this they contested in the 2000 World Club Challenge against National Rugby League Premiers the Melbourne Storm, with Perelini playing from the interchange bench in the loss. He also played for St. Helens at in their 2000 Super League Grand Final victory over Wigan Warriors.

At the age of 33, after finishing his rugby league playing career, he returned to rugby union to play for the Sale Sharks.

Post playing
After retiring from playing he joined the Sale's Coaching staff. In 2004 he returned to St Helens as the team's Head of Strength and Conditioning and Skills coach. Apollo helped St Helens to 4 Challenge Cup titles 2004, 2006, 2007 and 2008. 4 League Leaders titles 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008. 1 World Club Championship 2007. 1 Grand Final Winners 2006, and also picking up the prestigious BBC sports Team Of The Year in 2006.

He now lives in Dubai where he was formerly the Director of Sport at Repton School Dubai, a private school. He currently runs two sporting Academies - Apollo Perelini Rugby Skills Academy (www.aprsa.com) and JETS (a female football academy), at an increasing number of venues around the emirate.

Apollo is also the current head coach of the UAE National Rugby team, a position which he started in 2015 for the UAERF. Apollo spoke about what makes the Rugby Sevens so special and the role that rugby has in the Dubai history in the This Luxury Life podcast show.

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Talk:SmarTrip

Source?
What is the source for the information added in the revision for 10:32, 11 February 2006 by 211.30.67.186? That's the whole bit about ERG (which is undefined in the text) and Northrop Grumman in regards to Smartrip.

I smell a possible copyvio on that one, since it reads like a brochure and is not smoothly integrated into the article. I hope I'm wrong on the copyvio point, but that was my gut feeling. SchuminWeb (Talk) 11:23, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well becides it's actucual relevance to the article as a whole, it is a copy-vio from www.erggroup.com/annualreport/2003/content/roo_transitsystems.pdf, so i went ahead and removed it. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 08:50, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

New Smartrip-only faregates
I presume by now at least someone has seen the new Smartrip-wrapped faregates. I saw them this morning on the way to work in both Bethesda and Pentagon City. I remember reading something about a Smartrip pilot, but does anyone happen to have a link to this so we can add it to the article? Also, if anyone has a camera on them, can they snap a picture-mine's in the shop.

As for subjective comments-a surprising number of people seemed confused by the things-despite their BRIGHT blue color and apparent lack of a farecard slot. When there are fewer of them, like in Pentagon City, people seem to avoid them, while in Bethesda, where there were 5 or 6 of them (2-3 each way), people aimlessly tried to put their cards in nonexistant slots. I think they're certainly worth mentioning as well as including a picture-the color is a welcome departure from Metro's normally minimalist scheme. -Rmeskill 14:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

 * No photo, no problem. I'm going to be up that way next week, and I'll snap off a few shots. Are there any other stations containing this feature besides Pentagon City and Bethesda? SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

 * They're also at Vienna, which is what I consider my "home" station (i.e. where I park when I'm up that way). I fired off a few shots, and I'll be posting one momentarily. SchuminWeb (Talk) 06:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Other Local Transit Systems
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think I read somewhere that plans were afoot to allow SmartTrip to be used on the non-WMATA transit systems, like those run by Montgomery and Fairfax counties. Does anyone have any sources on this? --Cjs56 17:21, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

 * My understanding is that you are correct, that there are plans to implement SmarTrip on the various regional bus operations. A friend of mine said that DASH will eventually get it, but was unsure of when. I'll do a little digging and see what I can find... SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:42, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Misleading Verbiage
"Other regional bus systems in neighboring Virginia and Maryland have adopted SmarTrip readers due to its success on WMATA Metrobuses."

This is misleading because it implies that the local systems didn't have plans to implement SmarTrip and just saw WMATA making lots of money with them; this is not the case. SmarTrip was to be an integrated network from day one, with Metro leading the project. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.239.80.167 (talk • contribs) 21:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Adoption by other local systems
SmarTrip was adopted by local bus systems in the following order:

DASH (Alexandria) - February 2007 Ride On (Montgomery) - April 2007 Fairfax Connector - May 2007 PRTC (Prince William) - June 2007 CUE, ART - Summer 2007 Last I was told, PG TheBus will not be participating; this might have changed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.239.80.167 (talk • contribs) 21:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * first system outside of WMATA (Circulator is managed by WMATA) to fully implement SmarTrip

 * That's nice to hear, but what we need are reliable, documented sources for this kind of information. The implementation information should be included in the cited sources. If it isn't, we need to get better sources. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 10:13, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I was about to say, it shouldn't be that hard to find cited sources for such things, since that would be something that would get published somewhere, even if just in a passing reference. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

 * You would think that. Unfortunately, I've found that these local public-transporation systems sometimes don't bother to announce that they have done something, like add SmarTrip. Some of their press releases seem more calculated to reduce phone calls from anxious passengers (e.g., "yes, it's coming Real Soon Now") than to apprise them of completed events. Nor have I noticed that Washington-area news agencies find SmarTrip status a compelling news item, at least when compared to major traffic accidents and the latest DC scandal. I guess we'll have to dig a little deeper. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, PRTC says they're still waiting for changes to SmarTrip before they will accept it, specifically, the ability to load passes onto SmarTrip. The latest OmniRide newsletter said this would be done "by summer 2008", but I'm hoping it'll be sooner than that (tokens are a pain). -lee 20:35, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Finally, a firm date for PRTC. The January 2008 OmniNews (which is on the buses but, for some reason, isn't available on the Web yet) says that SmarTrip will work on OmniRide and OmniLink as of March 3. They say more information will be available in February. -lee (talk) 15:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

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14443 compliance
According to an earlier version of the ISO/IEC 14443 article:
 * SmarTrip cards comply with ISO/IEC 14443 Type B

I'm removing that text from the 14443 article, because I believe that much detail is out of scope, but perhaps belongs in the SmarTrip article. (I've merely kept the "SmarTrip cards" in a list in the 14443 article.) I've moved the text - and in particular the citation - here, so that the information is not lost. Perhaps someone could add it to an appropriate (new?) section of the SmarTrip article. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:34, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

SmarTrip looks to be not compliant with ISO/IEC 14443, based on Cubic's proprietary Go Card technology, and since DC is upgrading the current readers to be 14443A/B compliant. See http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotdc-blabber/2008-July/000613.html Drf5n (talk) 02:47, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

SmarTrip/ability to calculate passes
As written in the article:

"WMATA has announced that SmarTrip should have the ability to calculate discounted rail and bus passes by September 2009."

Does anyone know if this happened?--71.163.21.238 (talk) 14:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Reference kind of hanging out unused
This was added to the References section in the article, but it's not being used to cite anything:

It's fully formed, so it's just a matter of copy-pasting it in between some ref tags once we need to cite it somewhere, but it can live here in the meantime. SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:15, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

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Parking theft citation
I saw the note about a poor citation in the section about parking fee theft and Penn Parking. Any number of articles from the Washington Post can be used for citation here, including https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2004/02/26/millions-stolen-at-metro-lots/07eda69f-d0a1-480c-bf7f-d87558a66641/ cipherswarm (talk) 23:01, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Theodoros Pangalos

Untitled
Citation needed for Pangalos's 1950 political platform. And the comment with regards to his grandson is completely POV, and therefore out of place.

I've moved this article to Theodoros Pangalos (general) because most refferences (even the wiki-links) use Theodoros Pangalos for the member of PASOK. +MATIA ☎ 22:30, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Albanian speaker
Is it rue he was an albanian (arvanite) speaker? We know that his mother was Arvanite, but father from greek speaking island of Keos.--188.167.108.66 (talk) 15:35, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 16 August 2023

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– WP:Primary topic. Per pageviews, Theodoros Pangalos (general) receives more than twice the amount of views than Theodoros Pangalos (politician). ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 16:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. estar8806 (talk) ★ 20:23, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
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 * Note: Theodoros Pangalos is currently a disambiguation page, so I have added an explicit destination for it. Since there are only two pages disambiguated there, it could then be tagged with one other topic for deletion if not expanded after a reasonable time. SilverLocust  💬 18:03, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That's not necessary. With only two possible articles, the dab page would simply be deleted, which is implied by the original proposal. Station1 (talk) 06:18, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Pinging from the recent related discussion at Talk:Theodoros Pangalos (politician). SilverLocust 💬 18:07, 16 August 2023 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose, 2 times views isn't enough for PRIMARYTOPIC with so few views IMO.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:38, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * This is a WP:ONEOTHER situation where the general is more notable. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:52, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak support as the best solution available. This is a ONEOTHER situation where both persons were politicians, to an extent, so a clear disambiguation is tricky. No such user (talk) 16:33, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. Primary topic. The disambiguation page will no longer be needed. Personally, I'd move the other to Theodoros Pangalos (politician, born 1938). -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:10, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

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Jammin java
Article about a cafe with no assertion or evidence of notability paul klenk talk 22:30, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
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Sam Means

Sam Means is an American comedy writer. He won three Emmy awards for his work on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, and wrote for both 30 Rock and Parks and Recreation on NBC as well as all four seasons of Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. Together with Robert Carlock, he created the Netflix animated show, Mulligan.

Means received his A.B. from Dartmouth College, and an M.Phil. in philosophy from King's College, Cambridge. He began his career as a cartoonist for The New Yorker and as a contributing writer for The Onion.

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Donald Pickering

Donald Ellis Pickering (15 November 1933 – 19 December 2009) was an English actor, appearing in many stage, television, film and radio roles.

Early life and education
Pickering was born at Newcastle upon Tyne, son of John Joseph Pickering (died 1978) and Edith (died 1983), née Ellis. He was educated privately and at the Old Vic Theatre School in London established by Michel Saint-Denis.

Career
Pickering's television appearances include three roles in Doctor Who (The Keys of Marinus, 1964; The Faceless Ones, 1967; Time and the Rani, 1987). In the 26-part BBC series The Pallisers, he played Dolly Longstaffe. He also played roles in The House of Eliott, Dr. Watson in the series Sherlock Holmes and Doctor Watson (1979–1980), Yes, Prime Minister, The Brittas Empire, Executive Stress and The Professionals.

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Grand Isle Hurricane of 1909
I created Grand Isle Hurricane of 1909 as a redirect to this article for now, but I think it is a storm of enough significance to deserve an article eventually. Any other suggestions for the title, or is this as close to a standard name as it has? -- Infrogmation 23:02, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Wow. I'm surprised this doesn't have an article. That name works. Hurricanehink 02:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Todo
I upped it to start, seeing as it does have mention of every storm. For any higher, it needs at least one paragraph of each storm. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 13:36, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:1907 Atlantic hurricane season

Track Map
Can somebody make a new one? The dates are out of order on that one we have.HurricaneCraze32 21:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thats a mistake by NOAA in the track map. TS 5 was in November (same dates).--Nilfanion (talk) 21:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks-i'm trying to extend this article-except that map messed me up- like my work so far?HurricaneCraze32 21:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

More detail...--Nilfanion (talk) 22:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Other storms
''Due to the lack of modern technology, including satellite imagery, information is often sparse, and four additional systems could have formed during the season. A documentation for four possible storms during the season exists, although it has not been proven that these systems were fully tropical.'' Can we have a little more information here? A section on "possible other storms" would be good, telling where, when, and the evidence for each storm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.153.40.58 (talk) 16:29, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:1906 Atlantic hurricane season

Todo
It needs at least a one sentence description of every storm to be a start.--Nilfanion (talk) 22:57, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I do not know who started this article's storm list but it was in bad condition because:
 * 1) Why does The Florida Keys Hurricane, which was storm 8 written as storm 6?
 * 2) Why was only 7 storms mentioned, when 11 formed?
 * 3) Why were the storms out of order? i.e. 11 as 7, 8 as 6.1998's Mitchazenia (joking) 21:56, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Track maps needed
Since all the storm accounts for the season has been added, can the track maps be added to this article? Thanks. CapeVerdeWave 22:24, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Again, can the individual storm paths be added? All of the storms are there. CapeVerdeWave 11:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm... the track maps haven't been added yet. Nilfanion or others, can you please create the individual track maps for this season since all the storms are there? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CapeVerdeWave (talk • contribs).
 * They are all in Commons:Category:1900-09 Atlantic hurricane seasons now, should be able to work out what to place here yourself ;)--Nilfanion (talk) 21:53, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hate to burst this, but there's only 1 which is for Hurricane 11.Mitchazenia (7500+edits) 21:58, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Umm, patience ;)--Nilfanion (talk) 22:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, all tracks added to 1906.Mitchazenia (7500+edits) 22:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

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Needs explaining
Is the Emma J. Cottingham somehow significant? We don't have an article about her, and she barely registers on Google. And surely there were other ships sunk too so why mention only this one?. How did the storm only contribute to the sinking (as against cause it)? Needs explaining. Moriori (talk) 02:51, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
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Todo
Structure. Jdorje 02:10, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Now more detail...--Nilfanion (talk) 01:17, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

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Todo
Structure. Jdorje 02:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * More detail...--Nilfanion (talk) 01:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:1896 Atlantic hurricane season

Todo
Structure. Jdorje 02:12, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Now detail...--Nilfanion (talk) 01:20, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:1895 Atlantic hurricane season

Strongest storm?
How can Storm2 be the strongest at 110 mph, when storm5 reached 120 mph? Jdorje 00:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Because storm5 was weaker than storm2... Unisys shows that, and is up-to-date with re-analysis information. Hurricanehink 00:32, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Well then the article is wrong when it says storm5 got to 120 mph! Is this information coming from the monthly weather review?  I think that's where you've gotten most of your information, but we need to merge in data from the best-track too (UNISYS uses the best-track, as does my track-map-generating program; see Atlantic hurricane best track).  I suppose what we need is a way to interpret the best-track and upload it to wiki-source in a legible format, with links.  But then I guess that's what unisys already provides. Jdorje 00:36, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Oh, I see. Well, I didn't do this article, but based on this, I would guess many old seasons have this problem. I can't do this right now, but this should be fixed eventually. Hurricanehink 01:27, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Todo
Base histories on best track. Jdorje 05:14, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

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Todo
More info per storm, pictures, sources. Jdorje 02:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it does look like it could use a little more information.=-)--Cookie 09:17, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned references in 1894 Atlantic hurricane season
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Little Brother

Little Brother or little brother may refer to:

Relationships

 * Little brother, a male sibling who is younger in age - see birth order
 * Little brother, a boy supported by a surrogate "big brother", through an organization such as Big Brothers Big Sisters of America

Literature

 * Little Brother (Baillie novel), 1985, by Allan Baillie, a children's novel about life under the Khmer Rouge
 * Little Brother, 1996, a novel by David Mason
 * "Little Brother" (short story), 2001, by Walter Mosley
 * Little Brother (Doctorow novel), a 2008 novel by Cory Doctorow

Religion

 * Little Brothers of Francis, a Franciscan order in the Anglican Communion
 * "Little Brother", a name for Franciscan Catholic orders
 * Little Brothers of St. Francis, a Roman Catholic institute of religious brothers
 * Little Brothers of the Lamb, a branch of a Roman Catholic religious institute, shaped both by Dominican and by Franciscan spirituality
 * Little Brothers of the Good Shepherd, a Roman Catholic pontifical institute of religious brothers
 * Little Brothers of the Gospel, a Roman Catholic congregation of religious brothers inspired by the life and writings of Charles de Foucauld
 * Little Brothers of Jesus, a Roman Catholic religious order based on the life and teachings of Charles de Foucauld
 * Little Brothers of Mary, an international community of Catholic religious institute of brothers

Organizations

 * International Federation of Little Brothers of the Poor, an international federation of volunteer-based non-profit organizations, committed to relieving isolation and loneliness among the elderly
 * Little Brothers – Friends of the Elderly, initially named Little Brothers of the Poor, a network of organizations located in the United States, member of the International Federation of Little Brothers of the Poor

Ships

 * USS Little Brothers (SP-921), a United States Navy tug in commission from 1917 to 1919

Films and Television

 * Little Brother (1927 film), a Soviet film directed by Grigori Kozintsev and Leonid Trauberg
 * Little Brother (2014 film), a Canadian film directed by Rémi St-Michel
 * Little Brother (2023 film), an American film directed by Sheridan O'Donnell
 * "Little Brother" (Adventure Time), a 2014 TV episode

Music

 * ARP Little Brother, a keyboardless monophonic synthesizer expander module
 * Little Brother Montgomery (1906–1985), blues pianist
 * Little Brother (group), a hip-hop group from North Carolina, USA

Albums

 * Little Brother (EP) (2008), by punk band Dead to Me

Songs

 * "Little Brother," a song from Neil Sedaka's 1974 album Sedaka's Back
 * "Little Brother," a song from David Knopfler's 1983 album Release
 * "Little Brother", a song from Grizzly Bear's 2006 album Yellow House
 * "Little Brother", a song from The Future Sound of London's 1994 album Lifeforms
 * "Little Brother", a song by Black Star for the 1999 film The Hurricane

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Storm summeries
That table can't stay. We need the infobox. Season summeries need to be added. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde 22:11, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Infobox seems to have been added. I added storm summaries (deaths are hard to tell, so none have been noted) under a new column "Notes" in the table. Is it okay now? NSLE  ( 讨论 ) \< extra > 10:51, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

That Table & Interference Problems
I moved it to the bottom cause it was interferining with the summaries. I fixed the table of contents error.HurricaneCraze32 20:43, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Todo
More info on storms; make table consistent with the 100+ other seasons. Jdorje 02:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Get the numbering correct, they should be numbered from 1 to 10.--Nilfanion (talk) 01:24, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

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Storm summeries
That table has to go. We need to add storm summeries for notable storms or all the storms. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde 22:15, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree, this table just gets in the way. Storm05 10:21am(EST), December 7, 2005

Done. Hurricanehink 17:21, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Todo
Structure. Jdorje 02:12, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

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Johan Wanloo

Johan Wanloo (born July 16, 1972, in Gothenburg, Sweden) is a comic book creator known for his many comic strips published in newspapers, tabloids, and magazines including the Swedish version of MAD Magazine. His career started in 1987 when he sold a cartoon to the computer magazine Svenska Hemdatornytt.

Many of his comics involve satire of those he perceives to be pretentious or out of touch with regular people. Usually this includes snobs and people with radical political beliefs. He greatly dislikes Goth and indie culture and claims that he has "the musical taste of a 60-year old".

He is a fan of retro-kitsch and likes to incorporate this into his work. Many of his comics are parodies/homages of old pulp fiction and he has even done a number of strips where he alters original artwork to make new stories.

Works
Wanloo mostly does strips featuring himself where he comments on society, but he has also created a number of original characters including A parody of classic pulp fiction starring the two famous "alpha males" Felix Gimlet and El Fjongo. Felix is the playboy genius while Fjongo is a wrestler who always wears a Lucha libre-style mask. A violent, possibly psychotic government agent who saves the world alongside his two kid sidekicks. Comic strip about a grumpy, sadistic old man. A relatively straightforward children's comic series about the adventurous eye-patched sea captain Klara and her anthropomorph crocodile friend Harry, aboard the submarine Gudrun.
 * De äventyrslystna karlakarlarna (The adventurous manly-men)
 * Örn Blammo
 * Farbror Einar (Uncle Einar)
 * Kapten Klara
 * Fwedewic
 * Roy vid Rymdkommandot (Roy at Space-command)
 * Rock Manlyfist - Master of Space Karate

On a personal level, Wanloo once said that his idol is Charlton Heston. Despite being nearly 2 meters tall, he usually draws himself quite short. He used to be heavily into splatter films.

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Name
Isn't the german cross also a name for the sign of German Bundeswehr? Like the sign right of the 98 here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Euro_luftwaffe.jpg
 * The Bundeswehr uses the Iron Cross as its official symbol. You are referring perhaps to the Black Cross. The Iron Cross and the Black Cross are both descended from the cross of the Teutonic Knights, but I can't see the Bundeswehr calling its symbol by the name of a Nazi order. --84.58.216.182 01:55, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Date
Could someone please point me to the Reichsgesetzblatt that inaugurates the German Cross in Gold? Many references I find point to 28 September 1941 as the date is was inaugurated. However when searching the archives near this date or on this date I only find two legislations RGBl. I S 613 pertaining to the second change to Iron Cross (adding the Swords and Diamonds), and RGBl. I S 614 referring to the War Merit Cross. Neither of both legislations fit to the German Cross in Gold.MisterBee1966 10:35, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi MisterBee

The cross was created on 16 November 1941.While writing the Hans-Joachim Marseille article I came across a good source (his biography) that quoted this date. Marseille was among the first to receive this award on 1 December '41.

Are you confusing this with the German cross in silver? That award was created on the 28th September 1941. The 'cross' in Gold came afterwards.

Dapi89 18:02, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Gaudy?
Isn't saying that it had a "rather gaudy design" a bit un-NPOV? -- MacAddct  1984 (talk • contribs) 15:25, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree.--WooteleF (talk) 12:57, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually it was considered gaudy by some German soldiers. I'll have to figure out which book I read it in, but in an officer's war memoirs he states the soldiers referred to it as "Hitler's Fried Egg". Repeter (talk) 17:43, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I have read about this gaudiness and the nicknames it acquired in a number of places, most notably in Antony Beevor's book, Berlin: The Downfall 1945. There are also a few web sources, as well, such as this one, this one, and this one.  Cyberherbalist (talk) 05:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

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1848 Hurricane
W.P Fuller says the storm parelleled the coast. This article says it made landfall. I would like to know where to get documentation on landfall. Thans.User:Mikereichold | User_talk:Mikereichold 20:46, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

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David Longshore Encyclopedia of Hurricanes, etc.
We should really think twice before adding this reference into any of our tropical cyclone articles. It is chock full of errors. Click here for a review I gave of the book on Amazon almost seven years ago. Thegreatdr 19:19, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Link for filling out 1837 tropical cyclone information

 * Palm Beach Post article, which includes tracks. Thegreatdr (talk) 19:44, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

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Added information on additional storms in this time period, a couple of which were on the tropical cyclones impacting the Caribbean page, with others from the NHC page, and still others from other web sites. -thegreatdr, 02/16/2006, 2235 (UTC)

Please give sources in inline links. — jdorje (talk) 22:40, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

In text, rather than the link defaulting to a number? -thegreatdr, 02/16/2006, 2359 (UTC)

 * Inline sources can just be the ones defaulting to a number. You don't want self-referential links that say "see here" in the text.  Later we will go back and convert these to ref/reference format like 2005 AHS uses. — jdorje (talk) 01:01, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

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Hall of Justice inspiration
Is there any truth to the rumor that the writers/animators for the Superfriends cartoon used Cincinnati's Union Terminal for the design of the Hall of Justice? Union Terminal/Hall of Justice —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.166.248.149 (talk • contribs) 02:09, 20 May 2006

Cartoon Network lampoon
"At one point, Cartoon Network produced three commercials lampooning the Super Friends..."

It actually created a few other as well.

One involved the Wonder Twin Zan seeing Marvin in a video rental store, and trying to avoid them, moving down into the adult section, and him seeing him and going down there, making a few jokes, and pointing out he didn't blame him for getting them thrown off the team.

There was also an absolutely halarious one where the Wonder Twins are called to rescue a kid in a cave from a bear. They fail miserably, then at the funeral, the old woman who was the dead kid's mother smacks them both in the face, and then the monkey too, chewing them out for their stupidity.

Additional trivia, they had a parody of them on South Park, making fun of Aquaman, or Sea-man as they called him.

In fact, they've been parodied on a vast number of shows. Robot Chicken on the Cartoon Network's Adult Swim line up makes fun of them all the time.

Harvey Birdman Attorney at Law had an episode with Apache Chief in it, spilling coffee on his manhood, and filing a lawsuit. It showed Black Vulcan complaining about the "black" part of his name, wishing to be called something else instead but stuck with that do to racist stupidity. In addition Wonder Woman was shown with Zen as her bathwater. Funny episode.

Thought I mentioned it if anyone wanted to update the trivia section.

Dream Focus 05:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Very interesting. It appears that H-B, rather than DC, owned anything created expressly for this series. If that can be sourced, I'd suggest it to be notable enough for inclusion. --Tbrittreid (talk) 20:02, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Other title cards
Can anyone add other title cards like Challenge of the Super Friends to Super Powers Team: Galactic Guardians? King Shadeed 16:08, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Why did it die?
I never saw the '80s episodes, but I was wondering if its cancelation had anything to do with "Crisis on Infinite Earths." That saga wrapped up in 1986. That was also the year the "Super Powers" toyline ceased, which was clearly based on a composite of the comics and the cartoons.

Just curious. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Epiphone83 (talk • contribs) 00:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

Various comments on how ridiculous it was
They do have a lot of rediculous plotlines.

In one episode, Grog had taken control over the minds of the gorillas of gorilla city, and they used a weapon to eliminate the powers of the super friends. This included Batman and Robin, who have no super powers, they saying oh no, their utility belts no longer worked. Without their powers they seemed helpless, but fortunately Apache Chief stated "we still have my Indian tracking skills" and they got away. I think if someone found a clip of this and linked to it, it'd demonstrate just how rediculous the show is. Lot of racial stereotypes, as well as idiotic plotlines that made no sense whatsoever.

In one episode Apache Chief grew larger than the earth, to fight a monster who put Earth in a pouch, to use as a marble, in his marble collection. Dream Focus 05:21, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree with you completely, the plot lines were stupid. -Golem866 (talk) 22:33, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

narrator line
I believe it was actually, "Meanwhile, BACK at the Hall of Justice..." (a minor difference, but burned into the brains of those of us who watched it as kids...) Hierophany 19:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

yep,it was. 99.230.152.143 00:52, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Twang, shmang
"El Tigre: The Adventures of Manny Rivera"

The twang from Santana of the Dead's guitar is the exact same sound used in many episodes of Super Friends, which was often used in poor context for things banging into walls, etc."

...

Uh, yeah, that "twang" sound effect was and is used in many cartoons, before and after the SFs. It was El Kabong's guitar noise, Shaggy and Scooby ran into masked swindlers with it, etc. Yeesh!

Noclevername (talk) 07:42, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Violence
The article sort of implies that there's less violence than in most superhero shows, but I have read that there was actually no fist fighting in the entire series. If anybody can cite a source or verify this then it oughta be in the article. Tempshill (talk) 04:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

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Rip Offs
The Super Friends are rip offs of the comics and Scooby Doo. These are my exmaples: Shouldn't that be metioned? -Golem866 (talk) 22:11, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * All the members of the Super Friends are members of the Justice League.
 * Both Scooby Doo (who appeared before WD) and Wonder Dog both have speech promblems, are smarter then "normal" dogs and are able to stand on two legs.
 * Marvin's personality is almost exactly like Shaggy from Scooby Doo.
 * Black Vulcan and Black Lightning are both African Americans able to control electricity, that have lightning bolts all over their costumes.

I know this comment is over 2 years old, but leaving it sitting here leaves the wrong impression. Especially since it's so easy to answer. The answer is 'No. That shouldn't be mentioned.' The reason why is because that's independent research. Sure, it may seem obvious to you, and it makes sense to me, but, without an authority backing up that claim, it isn't a fact, it's speculation. If, however, you can find a person who's considered an 'expert' in this field who's written something on the subject of the Super Friends pulling a lot of their thematic material from Scooby Doo, then, sure, we can use that.

198.140.203.1 (talk) 07:12, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

 * The fact that Superman, Batman, etc. were in both the Justice League comics and the Super Friends show isn't a rip off - it's a different representation of the same licensed characters.
 * The Black Vulcan article states "Unlike most of the Super Friends, Black Vulcan was not a pre-existing DC Comics character. This is particularly notable since DC Comics' roster did include an African American superhero with electricity-based powers, Black Lightning, who could not be used on the show due to disputes between DC and Black Lightning's creator Tony Isabella." but the reference is now a dead link. This may also be mentioned on a Super Friends DVD extra featurette, but I don't own the DVD to check.
 * -GoingBatty (talk) 00:41, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Super Friends Canceled After the First Season
According to www.tvparty.com, Super Friends was on the 1974 fall schedule, which is how I remember it, too. -jtmatbat (talk) 14:46, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Reception
If the reception was so good, then how come everyone talks badly about the show?! Everyone I know who seen the show hate it. -21:25, 15 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Golem866 (talk • contribs)

Superman 1988?
I dispute that this is a "spin off" or has any connection to Super Friends (beyond both having a version of Superman as a character anyway). For starters, it was produced by a different company, which alone should disqualify it. Furthermore, it was based mainly on the Post-Crisis incarnation of Superman, which didn't even exist yet during the Super Friends era which used a Pre-Crisis, maybe even Silver Age version of the character.

If this counts as a spin off, than so should any cartoon based on a DC character, such as Batman the Animated Series, which would be silly.98.243.94.83 (talk) 20:32, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Parodied in SpongeBob Squarepants
They did an excellent parody in SpongeBob Squarepants Season 3 Ep. 11. "The International Justice League of Super Acquaintances"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.121.125.9 (talk) 15:37, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

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Finally, someone killed that "mackerel" bit! I've been saying it was too trivial for what... a year now? SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
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Metastaseis (Xenakis)

Metastaseis (Μεταστάσεις; spelled Metastasis in correct French transliteration, or in some early writings by the composer Métastassis) is an orchestral work for 61 musicians by Iannis Xenakis. His first major work, it was written in 1953–54 after his studies with Olivier Messiaen and is about 8 minutes in length. The work was premiered at the 1955 Donaueschingen Festival with Hans Rosbaud conducting. This work was originally a part of a Xenakis trilogy titled Anastenaria (together with Procession aux eaux claires and Sacrifice) but was detached by Xenakis for separate performance.

Metastaseis requires an orchestra of 61 players (12 winds, 3 percussionists playing 7 instruments, 46 strings) with no two performers playing the same part. It was written using a sound mass technique in which each player is responsible for completing glissandi at different pitch levels and times. The piece is dominated by the strings, which open the piece in unison before their split into 46 separate parts.

A ballet was choreographed to Xenakis' Metastaseis and Pithoprakta by George Balanchine (see Metastaseis and Pithoprakta). The ballet was premiered on January 18, 1968 by the New York City Ballet with Suzanne Farrell and Arthur Mitchell.

Title
The Greek title Μεταστάσεις was transliterated by the composer himself in various ways when writing in French: Les Métastassis, Métastassis, and Les Métastaseis. The Greek digraph ει is pronounced as "i" in modern Greek, and the correct French transliteration is Metastasis.

The title page of the published score gives MetastaseisB in the composer's handwriting, and it appears typeset in this form on the score cover as well. The title, a portmanteau, in the plural, Meta (after or beyond) -stasis (immobility), refers to the dialectical contrast between movement or change and nondirectionality. According to the composer's own description, "Meta=after + staseis=a state of standstills—dialectic transformations. The Metastaseis are a hinge between classical music (which includes serial music) and 'formalized music' which the composer was obliged to inculcate into composition". These transformations include both the glissando mass events and the permutation of the tone rows. The "B" (beta) refers to the revisions suggested by Hermann Scherchen: reduction of the strings from 12-12-12-12-4 to 12-12-8-8-6.

Analysis
Metastaseis was inspired by the combination of an Einsteinian view of time and Xenakis' memory of the sounds of warfare, and structured on mathematical ideas by Le Corbusier. Music usually consists of a set of sounds ordered in time; music played backwards is hardly recognizable. Messiaen's similar observations led to his noted uses of non-retrogradable rhythms; Xenakis wished to reconcile the linear perception of music with a relativistic view of time. In warfare, as Xenakis knew it through his musical ear, no individual bullet being fired could be distinguished among the cacophony, but taken as a whole the sound of "gunfire" was clearly identifiable. The particular sequence of shots was unimportant: the individual guns could have fired in a completely different pattern from the way they actually did, but the sound produced would still have been the same. These ideas combined to form the basis of Metastaseis.

While in Newtonian physics time flows linearly at a universal rate, the Einsteinian view describes it as a function of matter and energy; change one of those quantities and time too is changed. Xenakis attempted to make this distinction in his music. While most traditional compositions depend on strictly measured time for the progress of the line, using an unvarying tempo, time signature, or phrase length, Metastaseis changes intensity, register, and density of scoring, as the musical analogues of mass and energy. It is by these changes that the piece propels itself forward: the first and third movements of the work do not have even a melodic theme or motive to hold them together, but rather depend on the strength of this conceptualization of time.

The second movement does have some sort of melodic element. A fragment of a twelve-tone row is used, with durations based on the Fibonacci sequence. (This integer sequence is nothing new to music: it was used often by Bartók, among others.) One interesting property of the Fibonacci sequence is that the further into the infinite sequence one looks, the closer the ratio of a term to its preceding term comes to the Golden Section; it doesn't take long before the result is correct to several significant figures. This idea of the Golden Section and the Fibonacci Sequence was also a favorite of Xenakis in his architectural works; the Convent de La Tourette was built on this principle. See: Modulor.

Xenakis, an accomplished architect, saw the chief difference between music and architecture as that while space is viewable from all directions, music can only be experienced from one. The preliminary sketch for Metastaseis was in graphic notation looking more like a blueprint than a musical score, showing graphs of mass motion and glissandi like structural beams of the piece, with pitch on one axis and time on the other. In fact, this design ended up being the basis for the Philips Pavilion, which had no flat surfaces but rather assumed the shape of hyperbolic paraboloids like those used to model the musical "masses" and swells of his string glissandi. Yet unlike many avant-garde composers of this century who would take such a thing as the completed score, Xenakis notated every event in traditional notation.

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Talk:Erica (plant)

Please copy the taxonomy into wikispecies

But what I would really like to know is, where did the name Erica come from? Why is it called that, I mean? 91.105.62.65 11:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Heather
I switched around the wording a bit where the discussion mentions heather, since that is actually a different genus. But since there is some overlap in name use, I left the usage in. PerlKnitter (talk) 13:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Erica manipuliflora
Is not mentioned. It is considered an important ecological (for determining floral association) and apicultural species, at least in Greece.--Draco ignoramus sophomoricus (talk) 20:59, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Theophrastus
There is a mistake in Gledhill's book: the authors who used the Greek word ἐρείκη were Aeschylus and Theocritus, not Theophrastus. Check Liddell-Scott.--Carnby (talk) 18:54, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Erica herbacea
For consistency with the statement in the lead of the article Erica carnea, that name should be used here in the image caption. Plant surfer 08:50, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Heath vs heather
If I read the lead of the article I come away with the impression that they're basically the same, but according to the rest of the internet there are differences.

Heaths: Erica / heather: Calluna

Needles / hairy scale leaves

Small / medium-size

More winter hardy / Less so

Some bloom winter to spring / tends to bloom in full summer

The internet notes though that within the families there is considerable variation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.61.180.106 (talk) 09:14, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Erica (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 23:03, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Bruckenthalia into Erica (plant)
Bruckenthalia is a synonym of the genus Erica. The Bruckenthalia article should either be merged or renamed as Erica spiculifolia Kazamzam (talk) 19:02, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Move to Erica spiculifolia. Peter coxhead (talk) 21:37, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

title: Talk:Erica (plant)