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Kizuna: Bonds of Love

Kizuna: Bonds of Love (絆 KIZUNA～恋のから騒ぎ～) is a yaoi manga, authored by Kazuma Kodaka. In Japan, a total of eleven volumes were published first by Biblos and then by Libre Publishing between December 1992 and September 2008. In North America, the series was partially released in English by Be Beautiful between September 2004 and August 2007. Digital Manga Publishing later acquired the license and condensed the entire series into six volumes, published from September 2010 to May 2012.

Kizuna has also been adapted into a drama CD in 1998, and into three original video animations (OVAs). The first two are each 30 minutes long and were released in 1994. Both subtitled and dubbed versions of these OVAs have been released in the United States on DVD. The third OVA, titled "Much Ado About Nothing", is 45 minutes long and came out in Japan in 2001.

Plot
Kei Enjouji falls in love with kendo prodigy Ranmaru Samejima when they meet in their first year of middle school. From that moment on, Enjouji becomes determined to romantically pursue Ranmaru, regardless of the coldness and annoyance the other shows him. Throughout their remaining years in school, their relationship grows from awkward friendship to a strong love.

When Enjouji's mother dies during his third year of high school, she leaves him a letter revealing that he is the eldest, albeit illegitimate, son of yakuza boss Takeshi Sagano. Seeing Enjouji's distress over his mother's death, Ranmaru vows to protect him. Ranmaru makes good on his promise that very afternoon, saving Enjouji's life by shoving him out of the way of a yakuza hit man's car. Ranmaru survives the hit-and-run, but he is gravely injured and it looks like he will have to give up kendo. Enjouji supports Ranmaru throughout his extensive physical therapy. With their love for each other strengthened by adversity, the two start living together.

Neither of them want to have dealings with the yakuza, but get drawn into it when Enjouji's younger half-brother, Kai Sagano, Takeshi's legitimate son, comes looking for trouble. Kai says that he loves Ranmaru too and blames Enjouji for everything that has gone wrong with his life. Despite the rocky start, Enjouji and Ranmaru soon befriend Kai. At one point, Kai saves a drugged-up Ranmaru from a lecherous professor. He ends up taking advantage of Ranmaru's vulnerable state and rapes him, but neither Enjouji nor Ranmaru hold a grudge against Kai. While Kai claims to love Ranmaru, he has more than platonic feelings for his bodyguard, Masanori Araki. Masanori has been Kai's caretaker since he was little and has a brother-like relationship with the boy. The situation is further complicated by the fact that Kai is the son of a yakuza boss.

Much Ado About Nothing (絆 KIZUNA~恋のから騒ぎ) Enjouji and Ranmaru are a mostly-happy couple, but when Ranmaru finds lipstick on Enjouji's chest, he becomes suspicious and leaves in a huff. Enjouji follows Ranmaru throughout the day. As they do so, the two men think about their past and their uncertain future.

Main characters

 * Kei Enjouji (燕条寺 圭)
 * The illegitimate son of a yakuza boss from Osaka and of a former geisha who did not want her son to be involved with the yakuza, Enjouji grows up in Tokyo knowing nothing about his father. He falls in love with Ranmaru in middle school. Their relationship evolves rapidly after Enjouji's mother dies. Ranmaru vows to take care of Enjouji and almost ends up crippled after saving him from an attempted hit. The tables now turned, Enjouji takes care of Ranmaru all throughout his recovery. Enjouji is not at all shy about his feelings for Ranmaru and even gives him a wedding ring to marry him. He does his best to remain uninvolved with the yakuza. For a long time, he cannot stand his younger half-brother, Kai, seeing him not only as a spoiled brat, but as an extension of the yakuza life. Nevertheless, he comes to care about his little brother in his own way.
 * The illegitimate son of a yakuza boss from Osaka and of a former geisha who did not want her son to be involved with the yakuza, Enjouji grows up in Tokyo knowing nothing about his father. He falls in love with Ranmaru in middle school. Their relationship evolves rapidly after Enjouji's mother dies. Ranmaru vows to take care of Enjouji and almost ends up crippled after saving him from an attempted hit. The tables now turned, Enjouji takes care of Ranmaru all throughout his recovery. Enjouji is not at all shy about his feelings for Ranmaru and even gives him a wedding ring to marry him. He does his best to remain uninvolved with the yakuza. For a long time, he cannot stand his younger half-brother, Kai, seeing him not only as a spoiled brat, but as an extension of the yakuza life. Nevertheless, he comes to care about his little brother in his own way.

 * Ranmaru Samejima (鮫島 蘭丸)
 * Although he is a prodigy at kendo, Ranmaru does not have any friends until he meets Enjouji in middle school. He is initially taken aback by Enjouji's's straight-forwardness, but also impressed with his rusty kendo skills. The two end up confessing their feelings for one another in high school and take their relationship to the physical level. When Enjouji feels distressed over his mother's death, Ranmaru vows to always protect him. He keeps his promise by pushing Enjouji out of the way of a yakuza hit man. The assault leaves Ranmaru paralyzed on his right side and believing he can never do kendo again. After undergoing extensive physical therapy with Enjouji at his side, however, the outlook is promising. Ranmaru is very shy about his feelings, but there is no denying he loves Enjouji. Like him, Ranmaru wants no part of the yakuza life that nearly killed him. Although he takes kindly to Kai, he tries to draw the line when it comes to the younger man's affections. He wants Enjouji and Kai to put their animosity aside and have a brotherly relationship. From his childhood to adolescent years, he lived his younger sister Yuki and their grandfather-(who owns a kendo dojo) following the death of his parents.
 * Although he is a prodigy at kendo, Ranmaru does not have any friends until he meets Enjouji in middle school. He is initially taken aback by Enjouji's's straight-forwardness, but also impressed with his rusty kendo skills. The two end up confessing their feelings for one another in high school and take their relationship to the physical level. When Enjouji feels distressed over his mother's death, Ranmaru vows to always protect him. He keeps his promise by pushing Enjouji out of the way of a yakuza hit man. The assault leaves Ranmaru paralyzed on his right side and believing he can never do kendo again. After undergoing extensive physical therapy with Enjouji at his side, however, the outlook is promising. Ranmaru is very shy about his feelings, but there is no denying he loves Enjouji. Like him, Ranmaru wants no part of the yakuza life that nearly killed him. Although he takes kindly to Kai, he tries to draw the line when it comes to the younger man's affections. He wants Enjouji and Kai to put their animosity aside and have a brotherly relationship. From his childhood to adolescent years, he lived his younger sister Yuki and their grandfather-(who owns a kendo dojo) following the death of his parents.

 * Kai Sagano (嵯峨野 カイ)
 * The son of yakuza boss Takeshi Sagano from Osaka and Enjouji's younger half-brother. Despite being raised among the yakuza, he has no active role in his father's business. Masanori has been assigned as his father's successor when he retires, but Kai does not mind. His dealings with his father are extremely limited and they often fight with each other because, on the day of his mother's funeral, his father told him about Enjouji and his mother. Kai sees this other family as a betrayal and translates this into hatred against Enjouji. He is very talented at kendo and it is through it that he meets Ranmaru. He becomes fixated on him and his father eventually temporarily disowns him because of it. After resigning himself to an unrequited love, Kai focuses on kendo again and defeats Ranmaru in a match. Kai's relationship with Masanori is complex. Kai has always loved the much older man, but Masanori is afraid of his feelings for Kai. As such, Kai turns his attentions to Ranmaru. Once Kai is ready to focus on Masanori again, he has to practically beat the older man's head in to get his point across. Their relationship is sent into even bigger turmoil when Kai is raped by one of Masanori's scorned lovers, leaving him unable to handle intimacy without experiencing trauma. Kai feels guilty that he cannot overcome it, but Masanori understands and is willing to take things slow.
 * The son of yakuza boss Takeshi Sagano from Osaka and Enjouji's younger half-brother. Despite being raised among the yakuza, he has no active role in his father's business. Masanori has been assigned as his father's successor when he retires, but Kai does not mind. His dealings with his father are extremely limited and they often fight with each other because, on the day of his mother's funeral, his father told him about Enjouji and his mother. Kai sees this other family as a betrayal and translates this into hatred against Enjouji. He is very talented at kendo and it is through it that he meets Ranmaru. He becomes fixated on him and his father eventually temporarily disowns him because of it. After resigning himself to an unrequited love, Kai focuses on kendo again and defeats Ranmaru in a match. Kai's relationship with Masanori is complex. Kai has always loved the much older man, but Masanori is afraid of his feelings for Kai. As such, Kai turns his attentions to Ranmaru. Once Kai is ready to focus on Masanori again, he has to practically beat the older man's head in to get his point across. Their relationship is sent into even bigger turmoil when Kai is raped by one of Masanori's scorned lovers, leaving him unable to handle intimacy without experiencing trauma. Kai feels guilty that he cannot overcome it, but Masanori understands and is willing to take things slow.

 * Masanori Araki (荒木 正典)
 * A man of importance among the yakuza, selected by Takeshi Sagano himself to take over once he retires. The Araki family seems to be situated inside the yakuza lifestyle: Masanori's older brother Hitoshi is a member of the Kazama syndicate in the related series Hana to Ryū. He initially holds a low rank in the yakuza as Kai's caretaker. He falls in love with Kai's mother during that time and feels ashamed of his feelings. He has always been very protective of Kai but somewhat afraid of the affection Kai holds for him. When Kai holds on to those feelings in his adolescence, he becomes unnerved and pushes him away. Kai ends up falling in love with Ranmaru, while Masanori beds a few people to forget whatever feelings he might have held for Kai and his mother. When one of these bedfellows kidnaps and rapes Kai, however, Masanori wastes no time in killing him in revenge. Masanori later feels guilty because the attack was his fault, while Kai feels guilty because he feels that the scorned lover genuinely loved Masanori. The relationship between them is nearly permanently damaged, until Kai manages to put his feelings for Ranmaru aside and aggressively pursues the reluctant Masanori. Despite his disapproval of Enjouji's and Ranmaru's affair, he shows them the highest amount of respect out of loyalty to Sagano. He tries but fails to keep his growing relationship with Kai a secret, taking things slow in light of the trauma Kai suffered.
 * A man of importance among the yakuza, selected by Takeshi Sagano himself to take over once he retires. The Araki family seems to be situated inside the yakuza lifestyle: Masanori's older brother Hitoshi is a member of the Kazama syndicate in the related series Hana to Ryū. He initially holds a low rank in the yakuza as Kai's caretaker. He falls in love with Kai's mother during that time and feels ashamed of his feelings. He has always been very protective of Kai but somewhat afraid of the affection Kai holds for him. When Kai holds on to those feelings in his adolescence, he becomes unnerved and pushes him away. Kai ends up falling in love with Ranmaru, while Masanori beds a few people to forget whatever feelings he might have held for Kai and his mother. When one of these bedfellows kidnaps and rapes Kai, however, Masanori wastes no time in killing him in revenge. Masanori later feels guilty because the attack was his fault, while Kai feels guilty because he feels that the scorned lover genuinely loved Masanori. The relationship between them is nearly permanently damaged, until Kai manages to put his feelings for Ranmaru aside and aggressively pursues the reluctant Masanori. Despite his disapproval of Enjouji's and Ranmaru's affair, he shows them the highest amount of respect out of loyalty to Sagano. He tries but fails to keep his growing relationship with Kai a secret, taking things slow in light of the trauma Kai suffered.

 * Yuki Samejima (鮫島 由紀)
 * Ranmaru's younger sister, who appears in the second OVA. She also appears in the spin-off series, "Sessa Takuma!" where she falls in love with and marries Takuma Ban (Takuma Ban (禁止 琢磨) her high school sweetheart; after graduating from high school she bears a son named Takumi.
 * Ranmaru's younger sister, who appears in the second OVA. She also appears in the spin-off series, "Sessa Takuma!" where she falls in love with and marries Takuma Ban (Takuma Ban (禁止 琢磨) her high school sweetheart; after graduating from high school she bears a son named Takumi.

 * Roy Karstein-Tashiro (ロイ・田代)
 * On the surface, he seems an easy-going Eurasian who makes light of any situation, but in fact he is a well-trained hit man trusted by the Sagano syndicate. Before becoming a hit man, he worked at a church/orphanage. When one of the girls is gang-raped and the caretaker refuses to allow police intervention, Roy swears revenge. He meets J.B., a trained hit man visiting the church, and convinces him to teach him how to use a gun. During this time, he starts to feel attracted to J.B.. J.B. does not appear interested at first, but ends up kissing him. As Roy prepares to go kill the ones that raped his friend, J.B. tells him that he was not trained to kill, but to protect. Hearing this, Roy goes into a rage. He goes looking for the rapists and is almost killed when he hesitates to kill them, if not for J.B.'s intervention. They spend the night together. J.B. then disappears, leaving Roy a message advising him to find another way of life. Roy decides to become a hit man anyway, hoping to find J.B. again. His job takes him to Japan, where he is known only as Tashiro. The Sagano syndicate hires him to kill the man who tried to mow down Enjouji with a car. Tashiro does the deed, but this further incites the wrath of the enemy organization the man was working for. Years later, the Sagano syndicate hires him to guard Kai from that same organization. It is during this job that Tashiro runs into J.B. again, who now works for the opposing organization. In the end, J.B. refuses to follow an order and the two are reunited. Recognizing that Tashiro wilfully chose the life of a hit man and that he had been looking for him all that time, the two hook up as a double team and do jobs together, while rekindling their old flame.

 * J.B. (ジェイ.蜂)
 * One of the best hit men in the world. He is very calculating in his jobs and makes sure to follow through with them, but he is not a bloodthirsty killer. He is constantly ashamed of his profession and has a strict code to never harm any children. He is originally hired to kill Enjouji, but refuses because of his young age. He once visits a church/orphanage after carrying out a job, where he meets an overeager Tashiro. He becomes quite fond of him. When one of the girls at the orphanage is gang-raped, Tashiro is rearing to kill the men responsible. J.B. tries to diffuse that notion, but eventually relents and teaches him how to kill. As Tashiro rushes in to kill the rapists, J.B.'s interference is the only thing that saves him. Not wanting Tashiro to get involved in such a dark way of life, he leaves the younger man after taking him to bed. He continues his life as a hit man until he gets a job in Japan to kill Sagano, Masanori and Tashiro. Although he accepts the job, he is not wild about killing Tashiro and seeks the younger man out several times to try to get him to leave Japan. Tashiro will not be deterred, however, and each attempt to carry out their jobs, even being on opposing sides. In the end, J.B. cannot follow through with the job, since Kai, whom he considers a child, throws himself in front of Masanori as J.B. is set to shoot him. In the aftermath, J.B. and Tashiro are reunited as lovers and they start working jobs as a team.

 * Rena (レナ)
 * A transgender woman and a friend of Kei's from work who was mistaken by Ranmaru as Kei's girlfriend. Her father owns a love hotel called Hotel Castle.

 * Kayoko (佳代子)
 * Rena's friend who made a prank phone call to Kei and Ranmaru.

Production
Kazuma Kodaka used one of her doujinshi, a one-shot called "Fierce Love", as the first chapter of Kizuna. She developed the story using characters from Sessa Takuma, which she had previously published in 1989 in Weekly Shōnen Champion. According to Kat Avila of the comics webzine Sequential Tart, "When Kizuna was just a doujinshi, her current editor took it to the Biblos company president who didn't like it. Her editor told him, 'You can fire me if it doesn't sell.' Fortunately, Kizuna went on to become successful."

Manga
Kazuma Kodaka's manga Kizuna: Bonds of Love was published in Japan first by Biblos and then by Libre Publishing, after the first company declared bankruptcy. The series' eleven volumes were released between December 1992 and September 2008.

In North America, the series was partially released in English by Be Beautiful, which went out of business after the ninth volume. In March 2010, Digital Manga Publishing (DMP) announced that it had acquired the license. The company then released the entire series in six volumes, from September 2010 to May 2012.

In the translated version by Be Beautiful, the characters refer to Kei Enjouji as "Kei" rather than by his surname. There are also some changes in the art, most significantly in the first volume, where several panels containing images of a very young Kai kissing Masanori on the lips were removed. A flashback to this scene in the second volume was edited so that a thought bubble obscured the image of young Kai, only showing Masanori's face.

Kizuna has also been translated into several other languages. It has been published in Italian by Kappa Edizioni, in French by Tonkam, in German by Carlsen Verlag and Spain by Norma Editorial.

OVAs
Kazuma Kodaka was first approached about making an OVA adaptation of Kizuna by the production company her editor's older brother worked for as a voice actor. In 1994, two OVAs, both approximately 30 minutes long and directed by Rin Hiroo, were distributed to Japanese audiences in DVD format by Daiei. The two OVAs follow the most important events of the first volumes of the manga. Kazuma Kodaka was actively involved in their production. Sequential Tart writer Kat Avila comments on how "the anime has streamlined storytelling and powerful camera shots. Key moments are artistically highlighted by sketchbook-like stills."

Several versions of these two OVAs have been distributed in the United States. The first release was by Culture Q Connection in 2001. It featured both OVAs, subtitled only. In 2005, Be Beautiful distributed a new version of the subtitled OVAs with greater image and subtitle quality. They released each episode separately. Most recently, in 2006, the OVAs were released together in a "Kazuma Kodaka Signature Edition" by Be Beautiful. This special edition featured over ninety minutes of extras, among which a reproduction of Kazuma Kodaka's autograph, an interview with the author and footage of an autograph session held in New York. This was also the first release to contain an English dubbed version of the OVAs.

The third OVA, subtitled "Much Ado About Nothing", is approximately 45 minutes long and came out in 2001. It was released in an English subtitled version by Kitty/Media Blasters in 2005.

Drama CD
A drama CD adaptation of the early parts of the manga titled Kizuna: You're All... was released in 1998 (catalog number: MMCM-3004). This drama CD was reissued on March 23, 2000, by Geneon Entertainment, with a sleeve featuring exclusive artwork (catalog number: MMCC-3708). The drama CD is approximately one hour long and features little adult content, focusing instead on the more romantic and dramatic aspects of the story. It includes voice acting by Kazuya Ichijō (as Kei Enjouji), Ryō Horikawa (as Kai Sagano), Akio Ōtsuka (as Masanori Araki) and Ryōtarō Okiayu (as Ranmaru Samejima), who also sings the ending theme Tada Hitotsu no Shinjitsu (ただひとつの真実). The characters Enjouji and Kai both use a Kansai dialect in this CD.

Hana to Ryū
Hana to Ryū (華と龍) is a yaoi manga series created by Kazuma Kodaka in 1993. Designed as a doujinshi, Hana to Ryū follows Ryūji Kazama, the son of a dead yakuza boss, as he struggles to maintain a peaceful existence while dealing with harmful forces all around him. Hana to Ryū takes place in the universe Kizuna, taking place 10–15 years before it.

Plot
The Kazama syndicate had been one of the most powerful and respected yakuza syndicates in Japan. But one day, the leader of the syndicate is brutally murdered and the syndicate is brought down as members of the organization are forced to scatter. Among these are Kazama's young children, including his oldest son Ryūji. They take refuge with their aunt and in time forget the tragedy that befell their family.

Years later, when Ryūji has grown into a teenager, he comes home to find his aunt being gang-raped by apparently random thugs. The violence then escalates out of control and leaves everyone in the room dead, except for Ryūji who is covered in blood. Though it's unclear what exactly transpired in the room, Ryūji's arrested for all the murders, tried, and sentenced to life in prison.

Ryūji spends only four years in prison, but it's not an easy time for him. Brutally beaten and gang-raped constantly, he becomes bitter at the world and wishes for death. But it's in prison that he meets former allies of his father's organization and he truly learns what he is. He even gains the strength to stand up to his tormentors, although his actions will later come back to haunt him.

Upon his release Ryūji meets up with an older man named Hitoshi Araki, who comes to his aid when a thug tries to mug him. But Hitoshi isn't some stranger; he too was part of the Kazama syndicate—more so, one of Ryūji's father's most trusted allies and Ryūji's protector when Ryūji was younger. It's through Hitoshi that Ryūji begins to get a sense of his humility and innocence back and the two men form a deep, unbreakable bond that gradually grows into love.

Unfortunately for these two, being in with the yakuza won't give them an easy life of peace. And though Ryūji had already suffered so much in his young life, it's only inevitable that it gets worse for him.

Trivia

 * Hana to Ryū crosses over with Kizuna in issues 11–12, when Hitoshi and Ryūji pay the Sagano group a visit. Here Ryūji meets a much younger Sagano Kai and Masanori, Hitoshi's little brother, who are main characters in Kizuna. Perhaps in a humorous twist Kai becomes aggressively attached to Ryūji in his short stay and Masanori seems unable to keep an eye on him (even getting kicked in the groin for briefly ignoring Kai).

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3 talk 21:46, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Mr Hands
Unencyclopaedic, in my view. Lack of notability, no explanation for why this article is named "Mr Hands", no context on the person's real name, links to somewhat inappropriate material on bestiality, etc. Close to nonsense. Delete. -- NicholasTurnbull | (talk) (e-mail) (cabal) 01:27, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep, no reason given for deletion. --SPUI (talk) 01:16, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Very well, reason given now. -- NicholasTurnbull | (talk) (e-mail) (cabal) 01:27, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete - not encyclopaedic - verging on nonsense--User:AYArktos | Talk 01:22, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Junk --JAranda | watz sup 01:24, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete CSD A7, G3. I tried that already, but it was reverted.--Sean Jelly Baby? 01:25, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. -- (drini's page| ☎ ) 01:33, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, no persuasive reason given to delete. Kappa 02:20, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * "Unencyclopediac", "Verging on nonsense","Junk", and "Lack of notability" all seem fairly persausive to me...--Sean Jelly Baby? 02:31, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * If "unencyclopedic" is a description of the tone, it can be fixed. If it describes the topic, I disagree. I can understand it, and so could any reader, so I don't think it verges on nonsense. "Junk" is hardly an attempt at persuasion. "Lack of notability" seems like a funny criterion to apply to this hopefully unique event. Kappa 02:41, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * One guy dying because he had sex with a horse is "encyclopediac"?--Sean Jelly Baby? 02:52, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes. Unfortunately it is part of the sum of human knowledge, as confirmed by the newspaper report. Kappa 04:26, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Really? Well, it seems we won't agree on this, so I'll just let consensus decide. Everybody wins! Except for the subject of this artice...:)--Sean Jelly Baby? 04:55, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete though I'm sure bestiality videos are of interest to some folks, individual files are not an encyclopedic topic. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 02:38, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Edit and keep Maybe it belongs among "web phenomena" or something similar. It's not exactly "encyclopedia-worthy", but it should be here to explain what it is to people so that they don't need to see the video. It's being called "the next goatse", so it's likely that it will be showing up in forums for years to come, there may as well be some background information on it somewhere legitimate so that people who are curious don't need to actually search for it on google and read every forum post filled with people saying "that's gross". The article doesn't have a lot of information in it, because it's fairly self-explanitory. It's a gross video of a sexual act resulting in death that is being posted around the internet as "shock humor". Not sure how to correctly sign my name here, I apologize. As for why it is different than the other floating porn videos, this one resulted in a death, which is at least newsworthy - original poster - 02:43:48 14 October 2005 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.233.102 (talk • contribs) 02:52, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment This is a very persuasive case to keep the article. If it is a phenomena, and it is talked about, then it IS noteworthy, and it SHOULD be referenced. However, I question the merit of "self-explanitory." The article should explain a secondary consensus and/or debate on the phenomena and provide references. Clearly, however, it is not original research, so I think this has potential to be saved. --Malecasta 04:10, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable, non-encyclopedic. badly written article. Bwithh 03:03, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vanity. *drew 03:12, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Vanity? Yes, he wants everyone to know that he has sex with horses, from beyond the grave. ;-) -- Kjkolb 04:21, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge anything worthwhile into Zoophilia. Do not leave a redirect.    Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk   03:25, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge/Revise The entry refuses to define itself. Perhaps a reporting on the sources listed and a merge with other material. There should be some definition of "Mr Hands," and some reporting on the secondary scholarship of issue. If no scholarship, then some attempt should be made to distinguish it from original research. If it's something that exists and is commented on by other people, then it should say what exists, what those comments are, THEN link to that commentary as reference. --Malecasta 04:04, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Not encyclopedic at all and should be removed forthwith, respectfully disagreeing with Kappa's assertion that this can in any way be considered something worthy of inclusion based on an assertion of 'the sum of human knowledge.' Equine knowledge maybe... Dottore So 08:34, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * You think wikipedia users should go without access to the fact that there is a recorded instance of a man dying from this kind of act? Kappa 11:53, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The act itself and the consequences could be a paragraph in Zoophilia without any real effort. This man is not notable on his own. Karmafist 16:04, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge either into Zoophilia or put a mention in Enumclaw, Washington where we already have some links about this case - maybe that section should be expanded with a little write-up of the case? flowersofnight 13:14, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as neologism. The term "Mr Hands" has no real relation to the incident in Enumclaw, Washington, in so much as I can determine.  If someone wants to take the time to add the factual information of the Enumclaw, Washington incident into the Zoophilia based on news reports (I don't see anything salvageable in this article) that would be a useful endeavor.  Keeping this article under this title though doesn't serve any purpose as the term Mr Hands appears to be neologistic in renference to the information in the article (barring the naming of the mpg file).--Isotope23 13:44, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The name "Mr. Hands" is the name the person in the video used online. He has a yahoo profile under the name "mrhands60" (warning: which contains adult material). --angrysquirrel 18:36, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above. I don't suggest redirecting to zoophilia because someone might want to do an article sometime on the Mr. Bill character. 23skidoo 13:55, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as it is, Weak Delete if it ever rises above badvertising cruft. A man having sex with a horse might be notable as fluff on the local evening news, but random foolishness in general is not notable, and i'm inclined to believe that's what this is.Karmafist 16:02, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as advertising. Ganymead 16:09, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as unencyclopedic. --Carnildo 22:00, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as unencyclopedic, nn, vanity?--Gaff talk 23:47, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I rather hope that the ghosts of zoophiliac farmers aren't editing Wikipedia :).--Sean Jelly Baby? 00:59, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe so, but "Attack of the Zombie Hillbilly Horse-Boinking Encyclopedia Editors from Hell" would make a great horror movie title. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 11:20, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as advert and POV article about nn occurrence. MCB 20:45, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * delete not worth salvaging. any useful material about this incident can be added more easily elsewhere without using this article Mozzerati 20:17, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge into Zoophilia floortap 8:22, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.

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Susse Frères
Hey, Hklinke, I happened across your post about Susse Frères and Susse Frères Daguerreotype camera; after looking at it a bit, I redirected the latter to the former. Is that a good solution, do you think? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:14, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Perfect! :) --hklinke (talk) 16:46, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

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 * I think that Big Image Data and Digital Art History would both be excellent articles. Please consider either writing these articles or adding the information to an existing article. Leschnei (talk) 14:46, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Lakeside School (Seattle)

Verify this?
"Recently, Lakeside has been recognized in national publications for its students' exceptional SAT scores and high admission rates to top universities. Widely regarded as one of the top college prep schools in the country, it regularly sends up to 25% of its graduating class to Ivy League schools." But ever since Bernie Noe became headmaster these once high statistics have been slowly declining. The truth is many see lakeside is now a dwindling institution because of its lack of good teachers and the absence of a good administration

In which national publications was Lakeside recognized? By whom is it widely regarded as a top college prep school? Lakeside is widely regarded by some of my friends in Seattle as a snob factory and elitist institution but that doesn't mean it should be in the article. :) --Chinawhitecotton 05:52, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

it was in the new york times two years ago, it was ranked 13th among private schools in the nation for sending college grads to top schools

There was also a front page article in WSJ. -alexrson

The School profile sent to colleges provides some information (https://www.lakesideschool.org/ftpimages/252/download/collegeprofile11-12.pdf). By my calculations, the list at the bottom shows that 13.6% of seniors in the last three years have gone to Ivy League schools. Could someone add this? I don't know how to create a citation. The profile also has information on test scores if such information is considered relevant.174.24.198.156 (talk) 06:00, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

number one university for Lakeside graduates?
"The number one university for Lakeside graduates is the University of Washington, the biggest public university in the state."

What exactly does this mean? That more graduates go to the UW than to any other university? If so I think it should be reworded - "number one" implies the best university. Not that the UW is not good.

It would be interesting to find statistics for where all the grads go to college. --Chinawhitecotton 23:47, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Hey man, check the site. 25% to Ivy League colleges? I think that speaks for itself. --Home-Skilz: 10% of the 2023 graduating class went to Stanford!

I agree, also I don't think there is a problem with the wording. --Equinox17 22:41, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

 * For the record, I still don't see where on the Lakeside site they talk about ivy league schools. Not that it would surprise me if so many went, just an issue of proper citation. --Chinawhitecotton 13:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

That information is in the brochure which the school sends to colleges to which Lakesiders are applying. Also the second and third most popular schools for Lakeside grads are Stanford and the University of Pennsylvania.

With the class of 2015 Stanford passed Univ of Washington for the #1 matriculations from Lakeside School. Pretty impressive! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.35.190.66 (talk) 17:11, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Do you send a child there and/or go there yourself?
You have no right to be talking about which schools are a snob factory if you have not attended them. Didn't get your child in? Sorry but I'm afraid you don't really have an argument. Granted it costs around $20,000 per year. But they offer quite a bit of financial aid. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.103.85.128 (talk) 22:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC).

 * I went there. But even if I didn't I would still have a right to say that some people think of the school in a certain way. My only point was that you need to provide evidence for statements. That is why I didn't say that the school was a snob factory in the actual article. So, I think I do have an argument, actually. Did you learn your debate skills at Lakeside?? --Chinawhitecotton 23:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Snob Factory? I think not. Lakeside works to promote financial aid, and 24 precent of it's school population is under that program. Hardly a snob factory. When did you go there, Chinawhitecotton? I joined Lakeside 4 years ago, and alumni have told me that Lakeside had worked to reverse the snobbish reputation. Lakeside strives to allow anyone to participate in any school-related activity, regardless of your financial situation.

Alright you have an argument. I phrased it wrong. I ment that your argument wasn't acurate. A different thing I know. If I might ask when did you go there? It has changed alot since Bernie Noe became headmaster.

I currently go to this school. As with any school, I believe that there will always be errors within the school system, and nothing will ever be perfect. Perhaps, Lakeside is held in higher criticism because of the impressive list of alumnus. I completely disagree, though, if you know what I'm talking about, with the way that the administration handled the whole laptop stealing/drug situation at the beginning of the year. The administration is much like our current government. If they see something they don't like, they try to eliminate it as quickly as possible to attract the least attention possible in order to "move on" and maintain the school's integrity, with total disregard to the students involved in the situation. Fosteriana (talk) 01:48, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Lock this page?
Could someone lock like page or request a lock. Some people have been vandalising it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.231.139.2 (talk) 19:29, 27 January 2007 (UTC).

Controversy
I'm not so sure that the GSL program is trying to diversify the school. It was more to provide an opportunity for the students to experience life in other parts of the world as stated in the Mission, "global citizens" If ChinaWhiteCotton would like to disagree or suggest an alternative? I think it should be its own section without the GSL program involved. Seeing as people arn't comming back to diversify Lakeside but rather students are going to other places. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.103.85.128 (talk) 22:44, 15 May 2007 (UTC).
 * I am not opposed to separating the section out. It seems to me there is some relationship - introducing more diverse viewpoints, either with diversity on the school or exposing the students to diversity abroad. The article about the controversy in the Seattle Weekly talks about about "global citizenship" as a related goal to the diversity push, and both started at about the same time under the same leadership. Be that as it may, if you want to break the controversy around diversity into a new section, I have no problem with it!--Chinawhitecotton 13:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright sounds good, I was under the impression that the controversy started because of the Dinesh-Desouzah (pardon my awful spelling), and the diversity question was given a little too much press. It was a matter of not wanting him to say something seemingly racist without time to justify it. He is known for saying things about blacks that could be debated but if asked under a Q&A they sound racist(He was supposed to be talking about Iraq). Lakeside obviously didn't want that. Because he wouldn't really get to explain Lakeside wouldn't want people to be offended. Note: This is my view. This is what I have gathered but may not be true.

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Cut pending citation
"Prizefighter Brigid McManama": yes, there is a Lakeside alumna of this name, I doubt she has ever been a prizefighter. Cut pending citation. - Jmabel | Talk 17:03, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

LAWSPT? stands for?
In the clubs section, does anyone know what LAWSPT stands for? I know last year it stood for "Lakeside Association of Wannabee String Theorists", but I know that they changed it this year. Bryan.Wade (talk) 17:13, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Notability
Just because someone doesn't have his own page doesn't mean they aren't notable... Bryan.Wade (talk) 03:18, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * A page isn't required; but the individual should at least be able to be demonstrated to meet the requirements of WP:BIO "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject.". A reference to a reliable third party with more than just  trivial coverage would accomplish this. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 14:39, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I added some ref tags for the names. That should satisfy the basic criteria of WP:BIO. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:40, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

pov
the "global service learning" section sounds like something out of an advertising brochure for the school. e.g "...helping students gain a broader view of the world while helping the underprivileged around the world." 24.17.211.150 (talk) 07:03, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Semi-protection
I have semi-protected the page due to an edit war between anonymous IP editors. Please settle any differences here on the talk page rather than continuing the revert war. Cheers, --BaronLarf 07:20, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I've said it several times in my edit summaries, but ok. The list of school clubs is ridiculous and unencyclopedic, schools all have the same clubs, a list such as this is unnecessary unless a club is worthy of mention. When it comes to the Facts and figures section, most of this is trivial and better suited to a prospectus, Students of colour? Number of library books? exam results? none of this belongs in an encyclopedia. I will also point out that every time I was reverted, rather than giving reasons the person reverting used inflammatory and false summaries such as "adding section" and "fixing error".--86.181.74.244 (talk) 05:45, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh really? Well let me give you some examples of some other school pages that have such "unencyclopedic" information.

 * All Hallows' School Has section on its "clubs and societies", and co-curriculum activites. (as well as a whole section on its uniform!)
 * [] has one on its test scores
 * Garfield High School (Seattle, Washington) has an academics section
 * Auburn High School Has section on academics as well as one section called Test scores. It also mentions student teacher ratio.  Oh, and guess what?  It has a list of clubs EXACTLY like the one on this page!  The section is called extracurricular activities.

 * This list of clubs concept as well as the information in the facts and figures exists all over the place in other school articles. The consensus is that such information IS notable.  If you want to actually contribute, I would suggest you go look at other school pages before you go around willy nilly deleting perfectly notable information.

 * Oh, btw, those school pages that I mentioned are just random examples that I got from this list [] . I didn't even look hard (notice how 3 of them start with the letter A, thats because they were one of the first few that I looked at).  There really are plenty more examples.  128.237.227.239 (talk) 21:26, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Lakeside School mentions
Mentioned in Tobias Wolff's This Boy's Life (1989) and the movie adaptation "This Boy's Life" (1993) with Leonardo DiCaprio as Toby. ''

"Finally, they required that I take a prep-school version of the Scholastic Aptitude Test, to be administered in January at the Lakeside School in Seattle."'' Book ''

Toby: When I went to fill out the application forms I ran into a wall. They wanted letters of recommendations from teachers. I figured I could write these myself. But they wanted my grades on our official high school transcript forms and this was a problem...'' http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/t/this-boys-life-script-transcript.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.18.249.31 (talk) 00:58, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Downgrading from B to Start
I'm not seeing how this very short article with the issues it has qualifies as B class, I'm dropping its rating to similar High School articles in the area that have about the same content and issues. -- Goldman60  Talk  23:41, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

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Lakeside Judicial Committee
thoughts? 73.42.221.164 (talk) 21:20, 14 December 2020 (UTC)c

 * Could you be more specific? Are you suggesting that we add a section discussing it? Finnigami (talk) 03:14, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

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Penleigh Boyd

Theodore Penleigh Boyd (15 August 1890 – 27 November 1923) was an Australian artist.

Penleigh Boyd was a member of the Boyd artistic dynasty: his parents Arthur Merric Boyd (1862–1940) and Emma Minnie Boyd (née à Beckett) were well-known artists of the day, and his brothers included the ceramicist Merric Boyd (1888–1959) and the novelist Martin Boyd (1893–1972). His son Robin Boyd (1919–1971) became a famous and influential architect, educator and social commentator, and his nephews Arthur Boyd, Guy Boyd and David Boyd became prominent artists.

Penleigh Boyd is best known as a landscapist with an accomplished handling of evanescent effects of light. A notable influence was artist E. Phillips Fox, who introduced him to plein air techniques when they were neighbours in Paris in 1912–3. At his death his obituarists compared him to Arthur Streeton and rated him as one of the most promising painters of his generation.

Biography
Born at Penleigh House, Westbury, Wiltshire in England, Boyd received his artistic training from his parents and at the National Gallery Art School. He had his first exhibition at the Victorian Artists' Society at 18, and exhibited at the Royal Academy in London at 21. He won second prize in the Australian Federal Government's competition for a painting of the site of the new national capital, Canberra. He won the Wynne Prize in 1914 with Landscape.

His Queensland-born wife, Edith Susan Gerard Anderson, was herself a skilled painter and also came from a cultivated family. Her father had been Director of the Queensland Department of Public Instruction, her brother Arthur was a prominent doctor, and her eldest sister Maud was of one of the first women to graduate with a B.A. degree from the University of Sydney (and is possibly Queensland's first female university graduate).

Penleigh Boyd travelled to Europe in 1911. He met Edith, a model in some work of E. Phillips Fox, in Paris in 1912 and they married there on 15 October that year; E. Phillips Fox was a witness, and Rupert Bunny and Bessie Gibson were among the guests at the reception. The couple returned to Australia in 1913 and settled in Melbourne; their first child, Pamela, was born in the spring of 1913, but she died two weeks later.

In 1914, with his painting career flourishing, Penleigh purchased a block of land at Warrandyte and built a family home and studio, "The Robins". The Boyds' second child John á Beckett Boyd (known to all as Pat) was born in 1915. Soon after, Penleigh enlisted in the AIF. Like his brothers Martin and Merric, he served in France during World War I but he was gassed at Ypres in 1917 (which left him with lasting physical problems) and he was invalided back to England and repatriated to Australia in March 1918.

The Boyds' second son Robin was born in January 1919. Penleigh continued to paint prolifically for the rest of his life, although his war service also left permanent psychological scars. In 1922 he took the remarkable step of selling "The Robins" and moving the family to Sydney; soon after was enlisted by Sydney Ure Smith as one of the organisers of a major exhibition of contemporary European art. Penleigh took his family with him to England late in the year to pick paintings but returned to Australia without them in June 1923 to set up the exhibition, which was staged in Sydney and Melbourne in July–August.

Possibly as a result of his involvement in the exhibition, Penleigh grew disillusioned with his recent work, and he destroyed many of his lesser paintings and sold some of his better ones, realising £2500. During his wife's absence he carried on an open affair with Minna Schuler, daughter of the editor of The Age but shortly before Edith and the children returned he bought back "The Robins" as well as purchasing a new Hudson car. He met his family at Port Melbourne when they returned on 24 November, but he and Edith quarrelled almost immediately.

On 28 November, for reasons unknown, he took the Hudson to drive to Sydney. Although he was a skilled driver, he lost control on a sharp bend near Warragul and the car overturned. His passenger survived, but Penleigh suffered terrible injuries and died at the scene within minutes. Fortunately for his wife, the combination of the money from his estate (including the proceeds of the sale of "The Robins", the repaired car and about 40 paintings) plus a small inheritance from her father and an annual allowance from Penleigh's father enabled her to support their sons Pat and Robin without needing to work, even during the depths of the Great Depression.

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Talk:In Case of Emergency

Cleanup tag
Thought the cleanup tag was unnecessary, so got rid of it - and created this talk page! Petesmiles 01:15, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I think it should be cleaned up, definitely. It is just one enormous slodge of information broken up into more than a dozen paragraphs. 63.100.44.98 19:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

icecontact.com
This appears to be linkspam. The site has no official backing that I can see and is a commercial enterprise charging for its services (contrast donor cards etc. which are free). - Just zis Guy, you know? 09:23, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Broken Links
The Vodafone ICE link is broken. I have been unable to find the page on their new site so perhaps someone with a Vodafone contract could help? J Darnley 17:59, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Source?
I don't think that this was "started" by someone in 2005. I got an email about this sometime during 2004. I think it should be removed unless someone can cite it.

Useless
Emergency personel such as paramedics or "first responders" would NEVER take the time on a scene to call an untrained person who's ONLY answers to our questions would be, "what happened?", "is s/he ok", "where is he". That is, if we could even get the person to identify which of the many people that might have you listed as an ICE contact we actually have on our gurney. This is an immensly stupid idea and not something that would be useful. It is MUCH more useful to carry personally identifying documents or if you MUST use your cell phone for this set the front screen to be "This phone belongs to:". It won't help paramedics but it MIGHT help Emergency Room personell. If you want to do something to help paramedics, wear soemthing with your name on it and/or medic alert jewlery... these are the ONLY things we will look for and/or use. This entry should be removed. It is advertising for a commercial enterprise that is a supremely misdirected and bad idea to begin with and the result of email spam. The ICE contact is NOT useful to paramedics and this is a great example of fear induced marketting.

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 * i dont agree here, paramedics or first responders would not check for ID - that i agree on,
 * but say the person had passed away before the ambulance arrived or in hospital, how would they know who the person was?
 * Sghfdhdfghdfgfd (talk) 12:27, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

 * And most people have a PIN on their phone which would make this pretty useless...

Article title change
I think the article title should be In Case of Emergency, because - I understand - that is the 'official' naming policy of the ICE creators. ThijsN 09:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

1ICE or ICE1
I've heard from french sources, to add contacts as "ICE1" "ICE2", and so on ; the deutsch article describe it this way. But not the others (or did i misunderstood?), as they say 1ICE, 2ICE and so on.

Was this program explained diffently in different countries ? But it would be a bit surprising. Does anyone got the thing ?

pyl 15:55, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

 * i think the advantage to "1ICE" as opposed to "ICE1" is that entries starting with a numeral will be at the top of an alphabetized phone list making it the first visible contact. "ICE1" is only visible after scrolling to the "I" entries, something a paramedic might not do. aaron 68.61.184.98 21:44, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Duzzer (talk) 14:41, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Fraud
The entity being advertised on this site as being legitimate and having been some sort of "leader" for the ICE effort since 2005 has been engaging in overtly misleading and fraudulent business practices by hijacking legitimate website hyperlinks (on Wikipedia which can't figure it out) and directing them to their own and also creating like-sounding website urls to steer business to themselves from legitimate sites while at the same time unabashedly claiming the hard earned successes of others as their own under the guise of some noble "effort" to promote ICE. In fact they are simply just conducting "business" underhandedly in an arena of good faith efforts to simply make a profit for themselves. People like this throughout history always rear their ugly heads and since they cannot compete legitimately because of their lack of scruples - and in this case, lack of any real practical experience they simply exist to relieve you of your hard earned money. BE SO ADVISED Duzzer (talk) 15:54, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

ICE initiative and commercial exploitation
It appears that there have been attempts to exploit the ICE initiative commercially, but it does seem to be a genuine scheme suggested by a member of the UK ambulance service after the July 7th bombings. I have been on a workplace first aid course today - delivered by St John Ambulance - and as part of the course I was advised about programming a few emergency contact numbers into my mobile phone using the ICE1, ICE2 etc naming system, along with advice that first aiders in particular WILL use the system when confronted with a casualty who may not be able to communicate, but who has ICE numbers in their phone. No mention of any commercial scheme; just advice about a couple of extra phone numbers. If it's being promoted nationally on courses like this, I would suggest it's not a candidate for speedy deletion provided the commercial spamlinks are kept off the page. For notability in reputable sources, see []. Ka renjc 23:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have removed the speedy tag because I dispute the given deletion rationale for the page as it stands - it's not an advert for a company - and I believe notability has been asserted via the references. But spam to the various commercial bandwagon-jumpers should be kept out of the article.  Ka renjc 23:20, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

People are educating themselves across the world on using ICE. The information above was in relation to the sticker folks who appear in the main article when in fact they have nothing at all to do with introducing ICE but are merely a commercial entity that has been exposed for engaging in internet "cybersquatting" on sites dedicated to the advancement of free ICE access. Try www.iceforsafety.com and see what this means....honesty? Hardly. Their purpose - to make money - yet Wikipedia has failed to properly vett this entity time and again for what it is - a commercial site that sells stickers.

How instrumental that is to the cause is suspect. In this case their mention merely is a well crafted advertisement that Wikipedia has failed to detect and properly place.

The UN ITU Agency has wisely figured this out which is why they support the E.123 work found on the ICE4SAFETY website and is reflected in their news release of July 23, 2008. Duzzer (talk) 02:35, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Smartphone applications
I've removed the sentence that links to the two smartphone applications. Haven't looked into the other one, but the data in motionPHR is password protected. How is that going to help medical personnel identify a patient or collect medical data if the patient is unconscious?

Has anyone actually vetted any of the information we're putting out here, or is it just companies advertising their products? AlistairMcMillan (talk) 02:54, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

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My Hub phone is out of order as of today’ can not phone out or receive calls
In case of emergency what do I do??? 104.243.223.25 (talk) 20:34, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Removed link to “medicalid” Android app
Removed link to app, and sentence, because it isn’t relevant or constructive, and appears to simply be an advertisement for the app. Smurr7 (talk) 15:26, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

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why scotland
why is scotland specified in the opening paragraph as one of the countries it didn't spread to, is there some signifigance
 * Stated outright in the sources provided, probably to make a distinction twixt the English and Scottish.86.28.138.177 (talk) 12:15, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Spelling
A minor point, but I feel the word would be better spelt without the hyphen, which makes it look oddly pedantic and old-fashioned. In modern English it's bound to be more common without. I'd also suggest it should be shown at Flapdragon with the other forms redirecting there, since I've much more often seen it called that than snapdragon, but then perhaps I'm biased! Flapdragon 01:27, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I chose Snap-dragon as the primary name mainly because there seemed to be a slight majority using a hyphen in the sources (Strut, Dryden, Carroll, and Sandys all use 'snap-dragon'); and of the others most use snapdragon unhyphenated (Faraday, Lingua, Brooks, and Blain) or as two separate words (Grose). It seems to me that flap-dragon appears to be the original and older term, but one that somewhere in the early-to-mid 18th Century evolved to 'snap' instead, and seeing as most of the article was about the Victorian practice of the game I made the completely arbitrary decision to put it here instead :) Z iggurat  02:48, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Children's game?
It's not clear what the basis is for the claim that this is a children's game. Grose says that "the company scramble for the raisins". It might be faintly silly or childish, but there's nothing in the article or any definitions I've seem to show that it's played only or mainly by children, let alone unsupervised, as the term "children's game" would seem to imply -- makes me think of marbles or or hopscotch or some such. After all, it does involve strong drink and naked flame! Flapdragon 01:16, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Good point, the evidence that it's a children's game is much more scarce than the evidence that it was a game played by children! I'll just go edit that out... Z iggurat  03:00, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Also, I'm not convinced of the hard-and-fast division the article currently implies between the "children's game" involving swallowing burning raisins (etc) on the one hand, and the "drinking game" involving drinking while avoiding a flame. To my mind they're both just variations on messing around with spirits and flames. After all, the brandy in the bowl was surely drunk at the end of the game with the raisins, and presumably not by children. I think the players are sometimes described as snatching the raisins directly with their mouths, as the dragon is doing in the picture; while this would seem difficult (as well as dangerous) if not improbable, it blurs the boundaries between the "children's" and "drinking" games.
 * It seems to me that the original practice was one not by children but by gallants and rakehells (there's an entry in Brewer's Phrase and Fable to that effect), and that it was carried out in the kind of seedy bars where you can imagine a young Prince Hal, but all of the Victorian sources identify it specifically as a parlour game (and traditionally a Christmas one) with fairly standard rules and practices, so I think the distinction is valid Z iggurat  03:00, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Finally (and this is getting really picky, but) in "children often burnt their hands or mouths playing this game (Strutt, 1903), which led to the practice dying out in the early 20th century" can we be sure of a causal relationship? Who knows why the game really died out? OK, enough nitpicking for now. Flapdragon 02:02, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed, the evidence for a causal link is specious. Gonna go edit that... Z iggurat  03:00, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

hm, so is the idea here that the "snatching" is done with the mouth, meaning you have to plunge your head into the flames, or may you use your hands? 09:07, 14 October 2005 (UTC)~

 * The headfirst idea seems unlikely, but perhaps you could grab a raisin from the lip of the bowl? But this is just speculation on my part. Flapdragon 16:50, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

The "children" bit has made its way to the Main Page today. I find the connection spurious. The article cites the Strutt reference for this, but the actual content of the reference only uses the phrase "the young people of both sexes". To me this is much more likely to indicate late teens or early 20s; the age around which young adults are given the freedom to do stupid daring things to themselves. The fact that it particularly mentions "of both sexes" suggests that it was a young people's liquored-up party game. Something akin to, say, beer-shooting. It's also worth noting that the Strutt doc mentions "burning their hands", meaning that this is not a daredevil's bobbing-for-apples game; hands were used to pick out the raisins, which were plenty hot (and stickily juicy), enough to scald the mouth once broken open during eating. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 18:12, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

 * "Master Sandy's Snapdragon" features it as a game played by people of all ages, including children; Sandys as a game for "juvenile parties"; "young folks" from Strutt; the footnote in The Annotated Alice (which I didn't actually use in the article, but which pointed me to the practice in the first place) specifies children. But the reason I used Strutt as the reference was that the chapter that talks about Snapdragons is headed "POPULAR MANLY PASTIMES IMITATED BY CHILDREN", and the pastimes in that chapter all refer to children's activities. I think there's quite sufficient evidence that it was played by children, and this is reflected in the Main Page DYK; it was not, however, exclusively played by children, so it's certainly better to characterise it as a family game. Z iggurat  20:07, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Snapdragon has died out?
Well not entirely.... My family still play this from time to time, mostly around Christmas and New Year (and we call it snapdragon). Anyone managing to transport a still-burning raisin to their mouth gets an admiring reaction (it's not easy to do). I'm pleased to say that we have had no incidences of burn injuries!88.110.106.224 11:08, 14 October 2005 (UTC)Claire PS We use fingers to pick the raisins out - use of the mouth would surely be injurious to hairstyles let alone anything else... Further, the whole family play and I can remember doing so (with some trepidation) as a fairly small child - I'd call it a "family game" 88.110.106.224 11:13, 14 October 2005 (UTC)Claire

 * So the flame is not really hot enough to cause injury? Or perhaps it would, if you weren't quick enough and allowed it to linger on the skin? (a bit like a hot equivalent of handling dry ice) Flapdragon 16:45, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I was hoping someone could clarify the heat of the flame, because one or two sources suggest that brandy does not in fact burn at a high enough temperature to burn your skin (as long as you're fast!). I'd love to see a reliable source on this, otherwise it's going to have to be a personal experiment... Z iggurat  19:53, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

I played this game as a child when visiting my grandparents who were born in the US but who both had English parents. We called the game "Raisin Snatch" and it was played at Christmas after dinner. Grandmother heated up a large heatproof platter and plumped the raisins in hot water. The drained raisins were spread on the hot platter and then brandy was poured over the raisins. The lights were turned out and my grandpa would carry the platter to the table with the raisins in flames. The goal was to snatch all of the raisins off the platter before the flames went out. The alcohol flame was not all that hot but it was still exciting and scary to stick your hands in the flames and try to get the raisins in your mouth before the flames went out. I've introduced my children to this game and hope they will carry the tradition on into the future. On several Christmases I have been on vacation and have introduced this game to my fellow travelers in Nepal and Peru. I always assumed the game had some relationship to the English flaming Plum Pudding. Making a plum pudding is alot of work so I imagined someone proclaiming, "Skip the pudding, let's just flame the raisins!" By the way, in my family, there was no drinking of the brandy, and the alcohol burned off leaving just the taste of the liquor. My grandmother, a staunch Methodist, would not have allowed us to play this game if she thought we were actually drinking alcohol.24.5.152.132 (talk) 06:18, 2 December 2008 (UTC)deanna statler

My family has played this continuously through the generations, and still continues to. We came out of Sheffield area in England, and have since spread to Canada and the US. I glad to hear others still know what it is to stir up the fire and eat hot raisins. We are told a wish would come true if we got the raisins into our mouths still flaming. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flatcan (talk • contribs) 23:30, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

I can concur with the above. My family has also played this game and still does. Since the 1950s I personally have played it on Christmas Eve in the Great Hall at Kincardine Castle in Scotland's Royal Deeside. In the early days the only light was from the log fire and the flaming brandy as the Christmas Tree was only lit by candles and thus the lit tree was a rather brief one-off event. We had to make sure the raisins were still flaming when they went into our mouths and as children were told we must eat at least twelve in this way to ensure we had 12 lucky months ahead of us. We kept eating until the flames died out and by then the brandy wasn't worth drinking as the alcohol had burned off. Even as children we worked that one out pretty quickly. We last played the game on 24th December 2011.86.141.110.19 (talk) 17:00, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

The Golden Raisin
In another tradition, one of the raisins contains a gold button and becomes 'the lucky raisin'.

A raisin containing a button? Come on! Is that physically possible? Anyway, did people really have gold buttons? Perhaps the writer meant gold-coloured. Flapdragon 17:04, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

We always use quite large raisins - I think they're muscat? Not sure. I think this is because normal-size ones would be quite hard to pick up fast enough. Anyhow, I think they would be large enough to put a small button inside.88.110.106.224 23:05, 14 October 2005 (UTC)Claire

English? British?
I deleted the "English" bit in an earlier edit (I should really have said so) because there didn't seem to be any evidence that the game wasn't played outside England, which on the face of it looked unlikely; the timeframe then given ("Georgian and Victorian") was excessively restrictive and given that the same might be true of the geographical restriction, it seemed safer not to specify a country. I considered changing it to "British" but that would just have been guesswork. However, it does seem unlikely that the game was not played elsewhere. The only light I can shed is that the entry for snapdragon in Harrap's New Standard French and English Dictionary (first published 1939, this from the 1980 edition) is "jeu (de Noël) qui consiste à happer des raisins sec dans du cognac flambant et à les manger touts chauds" [(Christmas) game consisting of grabbing raisins out of burning brandy and eating them hot]. Though this doesn't prove the game was unknown in France, it shows at least that the editors were unable to find a French translation. In the absence of reliable info, I'd say it's probably better to leave the geography unspecified. Flapdragon 19:21, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I specified English instead of British because Chambers states explicitly that the game is virtually unknown in Scotland. My French dictionaries offered no suggestions as to a French term - 'gueule-de-loup' (roughly Mouth of the Wolf) is used for the flower, but there are no web cross-references between 'gueule-de-loup' and 'raisin sec'. The Harraps entry is a find, though! Pending further investigation, not specifying nationality seems the best course. Z iggurat  20:25, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Maybe the simplest approach would be to leave an unspoken implication that it is British, and mention the interesting point made by Chambers (a Scottish publisher, so they should know!)? Otherwise we'd get horribly bogged down in questions of exactly which bits of the UK practised it. Actually I could believe that it was just England: Wales has different (cheaper!) Christmas customs, and perhaps Scotland would disapprove of such profligacy with expensive foreign liquor?! Flapdragon 20:38, 14 October 2005 (UTC) Still practiced, growing up third-generation Canadian, and now my kids, raised in the States, practice it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flatcan (talk • contribs) 23:38, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

So what are those flowers?
I thought snap-dragons were a flower. If not, what are those flowers called that people have been calling "Snap-dragons"?--Redandready 16:07, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Snap-dragon flowers
I remember calling the antirrhinum flower a 'snap-dragon' or 'bunny-rabbit' as a kid (back in the 1950s). I think the 'bunny-rabbit' name I learned from my grand-mother N790 (talk) 10:33, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If you type 'snapdragon' or 'snap-dragon' into the Wikipedia search box you'll be sent to this page. Z iggurat 21:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Literary References
I think it would help if this section was rearranged, or if reference was made to the drinking version of the game earlier on. As it stands, the literary quotations don't make sense until one has read on to the description of the old version of the game. Melaena (talk) 11:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Delisting
Just popped in to note that the "first printed mention" sections are derived from the OED - uncited, but not original research. which may have led to the practice mostly dying out in the early 20th century is speculation and should be removed. I'm no longer actively editing, but if someone else wants to pick up the ball here I'd welcome it.

Z iggurat 03:12, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Safety
Although I'm not quite brave enough to use fingers, I can confirm that this is still a fun game to play using metal forks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.171.29 (talk) 01:14, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

"Cameron clan of Ontario" notability?
The last sentence in the first paragraph struck me as peculiar, and potentially out of place. Is the "Cameron Clan" somehow notable? (Do they have their own wiki article I may be missing?). Is there annual event well documented previously that a citation could be included? Thanks for the interesting content though! Cheers! --Elfabet (talk) 18:27, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

It is a game?
.. or rather a tradition of eating? There seems to be no rules, no winner, no play, only an effort to eat. If it is otherwise, please clarify it somewhere in the article. (for a definition of what consists a game on can also refer to Game )

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Sabatoged? Who would do such a thing?

Hack.

 * What's with the pathetic vandalism? Haha I bet it's from somebody who didn't make the show maybe?

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What is the meaning of this sentence? Is something missing?

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The Fabulous Wailers

The Wailers, often known as The Fabulous Wailers, were an American rock band from Tacoma, Washington. They became popular in the Pacific Northwest from the late 1950s to the early 1960s, performing saxophone-driven R&B and Chuck Berry rock and roll. Their biggest hit was "Tall Cool One", first released in 1959, and they have been credited as being "one of the very first, if not the first, of the American garage bands."

Career
The group was formed – originally as The Nitecaps – in 1958, by five high school friends:
 * John Greek (27 October 1940 – 6 October 2006) – rhythm guitar, trumpet
 * Richard Dangel (1 December 1942 – 2 December 2002) – lead guitar
 * Kent Morrill (2 April 1941 – 15 April 2011) – keyboards, vocals
 * Mark Marush (15 August 1940 – 9 August 2007) – tenor sax
 * Mike Burk (b. 1942) – drums

In late 1958, the group recorded a demo of an instrumental written by Dangel, Morrill and Greek, which found its way to Clark Galehouse of New York based Golden Crest Records. He liked the track and had it re-recorded by the band in Lakewood in February 1959; its title "Tall Cool One" was apparently suggested by Morrill's mother. Released as a single, it reached # 36 on the Billboard Hot 100 and # 24 on the R&B chart. The band made the cross-country trip to New York to record an LP, The Fabulous Wailers, which was released in December 1959 and featured two vocals by Morrill as well as instrumentals. They also appeared on Dick Clark's nationally televised American Bandstand, and toured the east coast. A second instrumental from their first recording session, "Mau-Mau", made # 68 on the Billboard pop chart, but their third single, "Wailin'", failed to make the chart.

The band decided to return to the Northwest, rather than staying in New York as their record label wished, and they were dropped from their contract. Around the same time, they added lead vocalist "Rockin' Robin" Roberts (Lawrence Fewell Roberts II), a charismatic frontman who had previously been the singer with rival Tacoma band the Bluenotes. John Greek left the group in acrimonious circumstances, and was replaced by bassist John "Buck" Ormsby (b. Seattle, 1941–2016). Ormsby, Morrill and Roberts then formed Etiquette Records and, in 1961, the label released its first single, a cover version of Richard Berry's "Louie Louie". For contractual reasons the single was credited to Roberts, but was performed by the whole band. Their recording became a local hit and was distributed nationally by Imperial Records, but did not make the national chart. However, its style, with its trademark 1-2-3, 1-2, 1-2-3 riff, inspired other groups from the Seattle area, most notably the Kingsmen of Portland, Oregon, to record the same song.

The Wailers continued to perform locally and, according to Morrill, one of their biggest fans was the young Jimi Hendrix, then starting to perform guitar. The band performed both with and without Roberts, who studied at the University of Washington, the University of Puget Sound, and Oregon State University, eventually achieving a master's degree in biochemistry. They also occasionally featured teenage girl singer Gail Harris, notably on the live album The Fabulous Wailers at the Castle, recorded in 1961, which has been described as "undoubtedly one of the most influential albums in Seattle rock & roll history." In all, the band recorded and released four albums on their own Etiquette label between 1962 and 1966, as well as a succession of singles. They also helped instigate the recording career of The Sonics, whose first two albums were issued by the label, and helped begin Jini Dellaccio's career as a rock'n'roll photographer when they hired her to shoot cover photos for their album Wailers, Wailers, Everywhere.

Mark Marush left The Wailers in 1962 and was replaced by Ron Gardner, who also handled lead vocals; Dangel and Burk left in 1964 and were replaced by guitarist Neil Andersson and drummer Dave Roland respectively. Continuing to perform live as well as recording, the band added a trio of girl backing singers, known as the Marshans. Also in 1964, "Tall Cool One" was re-promoted by the Golden Crest label, and again made the Billboard pop chart, this time peaking at # 38. In 1965 Roberts made his final recordings with the group, and, in 1967, guitarist Neil Andersson was replaced by Denny Weaver. Roberts was killed, aged 27, in a car crash in late 1967.

The band split up in 1969, by which time Kent Morrill was the only remaining original member. Morrill, Dangel and Ormsby, with other musicians, reunited as The Wailers for occasional concerts from the 1970s onwards. In 1979, they joined with Burk, Gardner, and Gail Harris to play a reunion show.

Later activities
Ormsby re-established the Etiquette label in the mid-1980s, and issued a Wailers compilation, The Boys from Tacoma, in 1993. The Wailers' song "Out of Our Tree" was featured in the 1998 CD version of the Nuggets: Original Artyfacts From the First Psychedelic Era collection. Several of the Wailers' tunes were also covered by The Ventures, and the two bands released an album together, Two Car Garage, in 2009 to celebrate their 50 years in existence.

Ron Gardner died in 1992. Richard Dangel died of an aneurysm in 2002. John Greek died in 2006, Mark Marush in 2007, and Kent Morrill died of cancer on 15 April 2011. Ormsby died in Mexico on his 75th birthday, October 29, 2016.

Studio albums

 * The Fabulous Wailers (Golden Crest, 1959) (also known as The Wailer's (sic) Wail)
 * The Fabulous Wailers At The Castle (Etiquette, 1962)
 * Wailers and Company (Etiquette, 1963)
 * Wailers, Wailers, Everywhere (Etiquette, 1965)
 * Out of Our Tree (Etiquette, 1966)
 * Outburst! (United Artists, 1966)
 * Walk Thru The People (Bell, 1968)

Collaborative albums

 * Merry Christmas (with the Galaxies and the Sonics, Etiquette, 1965)
 * Two Car Garage (with The Ventures, Blue Horizon, 2009)

Compilations

 * Tall Cool One (Imperial, 1964)
 * The Boys from Tacoma (compilation, Etiquette, 1993)

Singles

 * "Tall Cool One" (Golden Crest, 1959)
 * "Mau-Mau" (Golden Crest, 1959)
 * "Wailin'" (Golden Crest, 1960)
 * "Louie Louie" (Rockin' Robin Roberts with the Wailers, Etiquette, 1961)
 * "Mashi" (Etiquette, 1962)
 * "Doin' the Seaside" (Etiquette, 1962)
 * "We're Goin' Surfin'" (Etiquette, 1963)
 * "Seattle" (Etiquette, 1963)
 * "Frenzy" (Etiquette, 1964)
 * "Don't Take It So Hard" (Etiquette, 1964)
 * "You Don't Love Me" (Etiquette, 1965)
 * "Dirty Robber" (Etiquette, 1965)
 * "Out of Our Tree" (Etiquette, 1965)
 * "It's You Alone" (Etiquette / United Artists, 1966)
 * "Think Kindly Baby" (Etiquette / United Artists, 1966)
 * "You Won't Lead Me On" (United Artists, 1966)
 * "I'm Determined" (Viva, 1967)
 * "You Can't Fly" (Bell, 1968)

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A Manual Dexterity: Soundtrack Volume One

A Manual Dexterity: Soundtrack Volume One is the debut studio album by The Mars Volta guitarist Omar Rodríguez-López, mostly recorded in 2001 at Doug Messenger's Studio and Rodriguez-Lopez's mobile studio after the breakup of former band At the Drive-In. The record was finished at Mad Dog Studios in 2004 and released the same year. This was supposed to be the first volume of a two-part soundtrack set to go along to a film directed by Rodriguez-Lopez.

The release of Volume Two, which was originally planned for Spring of 2005, and the film itself were both delayed indefinitely due to legal problems. Conflicts over ownership of certain footage and Rodríguez-López's reluctance to revisit the project, which featured his late friend Jeremy Ward in the lead role, were both cited as reasons for the delay. However, Rodríguez-López stated that he does intend to release both Volume Two and the film at some point in the future.

"Deus Ex Machina" is a version of a song "Reina de Mi Vida", written by Omar's father Angel Marcelo Rodriguez (also known as Marcelo Rod-Che) for the famous Puerto Rican salsa orchestra El Gran Combo de Puerto Rico; here, it is performed by Angel Marcelo himself.

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Musicians
 * Omar Rodríguez-López – guitars, bass, percussion, hand claps, roland promars, SH-1000, SH-101, SH-7, SH-2000, VP-330, Korg MS-2000, microKORG, organ, drum machines, pianette, piano, Yamaha QY-100, rhythm sequence, samples, TVs, telephone, typewriter, breathing
 * Blake Fleming – drums (1, 2, 5, 8, 10), hand claps (2)
 * Jeremy Ward – melodica (2), guitar pedals (5) , yelling (8)
 * John Frusciante – mini moog (2, 3), A 100 (3) , guitars (5, 10)
 * Cedric Bixler-Zavala – percussion & hand claps (2), vocals & lyrics (10)
 * Angel Marcelo Rodriguez – vocals & lyrics (4)
 * David Lopez – trumpet (4)
 * Cecilio Ortiz – guitar (4)
 * Alberto El Profesor Aragonez – percussion (4)
 * Isaiah Ikey Owens – piano (8)
 * Andrew Scheps – trumpet (8)
 * Sara Christina Gross – saxophone (9)

Production
 * Omar Rodríguez-López – production, engineering
 * Alex Newport – engineering
 * Jon Debaun – engineering
 * Andrew Scheps – mixing
 * Mark Chalecki – mastering

Artwork
 * Omar Rodríguez-López – photos
 * Sonny Kay – layout


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