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Category:Road transportion in Brazil

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The result of the debate was Delete. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 03:05, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Misspelled, empty, and duplicate of Category:Road transport in Brazil Howcheng 23:03, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. No argument. siafu 13:18, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Parks of Thailand

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The result of the debate was No consensus (no change), see closure note. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 03:04, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

While this might be a legitimate category in its own right with different content, it is actually closer to the content found in the categories in category:Conservation by country so it should be merged into category:Conservation in Thailand. The national parks category is also in category:national parks by country, which is in category:Parks. The wildlife sanctuaries are not parks in the normal sense, and nor are the historical parks, which are mostly ancient buildings. Conservation is the best and standard place for them. Merge CalJW 23:01, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Merge as suggested. James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Probably useful for the category:parks hierarchy. — Instantnood 13:58, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Closing note, although there is a 2/3, which could be used for a merge, I prefer 70% for merge/deletion. Also the main issue is mis-categorization, and the keep vote raises a valid objection for keeping for valid articles. Category kept, recategorize where appropriate. ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  03:04, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:The Hundreds

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The result of the debate was Delete. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 03:00, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Contents moved to more appropriate Category:Hundreds. Also see talk. Jao 20:46, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete can it be speedied as empty category? Hiding talk 09:59, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Actor appearing on Neighbours to Category:Neighbours actors

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The result of the debate was No consensus (no change). ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 02:56, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Should be pluralised, and the latter is the format of other categories in Category:Actors by series --TimPope 20:09, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Rename CalJW 22:28, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Actors appearing on Neighbours. siafu 13:24, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename to "Actors appearing on Neighbours". James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename as proposed. Apart from being non-standard the alternative proposal is in the present tense, which is not appropriate. Carina22 16:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Religious movements to Category:Religious faiths, traditions, and movements

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The result of the debate was Merge. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 02:52, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Category:Religious movements has only two subcategories and three articles that are not materially different from the subcategories and articles listed under Category:Religious faiths, traditions, and movements. This will consolidate related topics and reduce confusion about the meaning of the two overlapping categories. — RDF talk 19:51, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge for reasons stated above.   — RDF talk 19:51, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Merge as suggested. James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Associations in Georgia (country)

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The result of the debate was No consensus (no change). ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 02:51, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

This is not a standard category. It was only in the Georgia (country) menu when I found it. The standard form would be "Georgian (country) organisations", but that awkward form is not used for any other categories, and it sounds like it has something to do with country and western music to me, so I suggest renaming it category:Organisations in Georgia (country) CalJW 19:30, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. CDThieme 20:12, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Is that really what you mean? It hasn't been nominated for deletion and you have given no reason for it to be deleted. CalJW 22:29, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename. No argument. siafu 13:25, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename to "Georgia organisations". Primary topic disambiguation and all that. James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:User leet

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The result of the debate was |>31373 (delete). ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 02:39, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Duplicate of Category:User 1337 only used by one person, compared to many for the other. Should this be on Templates for deletion? I wasn't sure, if someone could fix it if necessary, that'd be great. Kertrats | Talk 14:55, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * D31337. CDThieme 20:14, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * |>3133+. No argument. siafu 13:28, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 3Я3@53. ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  17:18, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Bhoeble 19:04, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * |\/|3Я63. — Instantnood 20:36, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 86 @5 P3Я |<3Я7Я@75. Grutness...  wha?  00:55, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:People's Republic of China roads and expressways to Category:Roads in the People's Republic of China

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The result of the debate was Rename, see closure note. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 02:37, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

from speedy To align with "roads in foo" convention specified at Naming conventions (categories) for subcats of Category:Roads by country. -- Rick Block (talk) 14:19, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Possibly moving expressways to a subcategory of the category for roads, and hold until the disagreements around the use of the term "mainland China" (which means the PRC minus Hong Kong and Macao) on Wikipedia is settled. — Instantnood 11:07, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Where and when might this be settled? -- Rick Block (talk) 14:21, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. If the mainland China issue is resolved indicated that PRC should be replaced with "mainland China" (unlikely) then we'll just have a bot do it. siafu 13:30, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Since this category has been mainland China-specific since its creation long ago, I would oppose any moves that changes its nature, including making the Hong Kong and Macao categories subcats of it. — Instantnood 08:04, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename as suggested. James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Closing note, no responses to the naming issue have been given, if there is a need for a rename later, then it will be changed then. ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  02:37, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Streets and roads in Hong Kong to Category:Roads in Hong Kong

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The result of the debate was Rename. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 02:31, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

from speedy To align with "roads in foo" convention specified at Naming conventions (categories) for subcats of Category:Roads by country. -- Rick Block (talk) 14:19, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. This category is for both roads and streets. — Instantnood 11:07, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Is there some specific difference between a road and a street, perhaps peculiar to Hong Kong? 15 of the 17 subcats in Category:Roads by country are just "roads in".  The question is why should Hong Kong be different? -- Rick Block (talk) 14:24, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename. Streets are roads and roads are streets, unless someone can provide a clear delineation outside of wikipedia. siafu 13:38, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Roads may be a general term... but usually streets are shorter and narrower, and roads are longer and wider here. This category is intended for all these passages. — Instantnood 16:42, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename. I remember a related discussion over roads and streets, and it appears that streets are often considered a sub-section of roads. Hence, a Category:Streets in Hong Kong cat may be created if there is a need to and made a subsection of Category:Roads in Hong Kong.--Huaiwei 16:23, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename as suggested. James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Highways in Taiwan to Category:Roads in the Republic of China

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The result of the debate was Keep, see closure note. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 02:26, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

from speedy To align with "roads in foo" convention specified at Naming conventions (categories) for subcats of Category:Roads by country. -- Rick Block (talk) 14:19, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Objection This appears to be for a particular class of road. Category name requires discussion. CalJW 03:38, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Possibly by having category:roads in the Republic of China as the subcategory of category:roads by country, and category:highways in Taiwan as a subcategory of category:roads in the Republic of China. — Insta ntnood 11:07, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. I agree with the structure proposed by Instantnood. siafu 13:40, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment If you agree with Instanthood, you can't agree with the nominator too as instanthood's structure does not involve renaming this category. CalJW 02:33, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and create a parent category as proposed by Insta CalJW 02:33, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and create parent as per Instantnood. James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and create parent as per Instantnood. Carina22 16:32, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment With reference to the above three votes, is this becoming a proposal in which we have Category:Highways in Taiwan as a subcategory of category:roads in the Republic of China?--Huaiwei 16:36, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * That's what it sounds like to me.  -- Rick Block (talk) 17:59, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * If that is what this is becoming, then I oppose the move. I would think Category:Highways in Taiwan continuing as a subcat of Category:Highways in the Republic of China, and the later of which as a sub-cat of Category:Roads in the Republic of China is far more appropriate. --Huaiwei 18:17, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Agree. — Instantnood 05:43, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Closing note the discussion was to keep and make other categories a sub-cat or parent cat. This is a categorization issue, and not necessarily a CFD issue, its good to have the discussion, but no changes will be made. Be bold! and create the proposed category, and add sub-cats and articles as necessary, but the main category will not be renamed. ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  02:26, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:R.A.A Louviéroise

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The result of the debate was Delete. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 02:19, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Delete: I forgot a period after the second A.Julien Tuerlinckx 12:15, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Speedy - Request for deletion by creator of misnamed category qualifies for speedy deletion. TexasAndroid 13:27, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename to "R. A. A. Louviéroise" (we generally put spaces betwixt initials). James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Closing note the other category was already created, you may request its renaming instead. ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  02:19, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Post-Cold War films

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The result of the debate was Delete. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 02:13, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Ill-defined category. All but one of these are set in the former Yugoslavia. Suggest delete unless someone can think of a suitable re-name and remove the one rogue film (Tears of the Sun). JW 12:04, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete as soon as possible. - Darwinek 16:19, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Ill-defined, not useful. siafu 13:42, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per the nom. *drew 22:35, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:U-boat fiction

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The result of the debate was Keep. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 02:12, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Merge into Category:Submarine fiction. JW 10:00, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep, I think it's a fairly obvious distinction and works well as a subcat of both Category:Submarine fiction and Category:U-boats. Hiding talk 15:34, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * My mistake - I always thought U-boats were submarines. JW 21:41, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Useful precision. CalJW 22:30, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as subcategory. -Sean Curtin 01:08, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

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Subcats of

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The result of the debate was Rename all. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 02:10, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

There are nine subcategories of. Four are (IMO) named correctly as "Mountain passes of Foo". I propose renaming the other five for consistency: Grutness...  wha?  08:12, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
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 * Rename all CalJW 08:19, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename all - are there more "by-country" subcats coming, perhaps warranting the addition of "Mountain passes of foo" as a convention to Naming conventions (categories)? -- Rick Block (talk) 15:25, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It's posible. I only discovered this when creating, and there are enough unsorted ones simply in for several others - and probably quite a few uncategorised articles or articles which should be written. I can imagine Canada, Chile, India, China, Japan, Nepal, Turkey, Norway, and several US states getting separate categories, for instance. Grutness...  wha?  01:30, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename all. No argument. siafu 13:43, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename as suggested. James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

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Subcats of Category:Images by country

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The result of the debate was Rename all. Naming conventions candidate. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 02:07, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

The names of these categories currently are mostly "fooian images" with a few in "images of foo" format. Propose mass renaming as below and adding "Images of foo" as the convention at Naming conventions (categories). Detailed list follows (not yet marked with cfru). -- Rick Block ( talk ) 07:43, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * (being marked with CFRU now) (SEWilco 15:29, 30 September 2005 (UTC))

 * Category:Afghanistan images → category:Images of Afganistan
 * Category:Albania images → category:Images of Albania
 * Category:Algeria images → category:Images of Algeria
 * Category:Andorra images → category:Images of Andorra
 * Category:Angola images → category:Images of Angola
 * Category:Antigua and Barbuda images → category:Images of Antigua and Barbuda
 * Category:Argentina images → category:Images of Argentina
 * Category:Armenia images → category:Images of Armenia
 * Category:Australia images merge into category:Images of Australia
 * Category:Austria images → category:Images of Austria
 * Category:Azerbaijan images → category:Images of Azerbaijan
 * Category:Bahamas images → category:Images of Bahamas
 * Category:Bahrain images → category:Images of Bahrain
 * Category:Bangladesh images → category:Images of Bangladesh
 * Category:Barbados images → category:Images of Barbados
 * Category:Belarus images → category:Images of Belarus
 * Category:Belgium images → category:Images of Belgium
 * Category:Belize images → category:Images of Belize
 * Category:Benin images → category:Images of Benin
 * Category:Bhutan images → category:Images of Bhutan
 * Category:Bolivia images → category:Images of Bolivia
 * Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina images → category:Images of Bosnia and Herzegovina
 * Category:Botswana images → category:Images of Botswana
 * Category:Brazil images → category:Images of Brazil
 * Category:Brunei images → category:Images of Brunei
 * Category:Bulgaria images → category:Images of Bulgaria
 * Category:Burkina Faso images → category:Images of Burkina Faso
 * Category:Burundi images → category:Images of Burundi
 * Category:Cambodia images → category:Images of Cambodia
 * Category:Cameroon images → category:Images of Comeroon
 * Category:Canada images merge into category:Images of Canada
 * Category:Cape Verde images → category:Images of Cape Verde
 * Category:Central African Republic images → category:Images of the Central African Republic
 * Category:Chad images → category:Images of Chad
 * Category:Chile images → category:Images of Chile
 * Category:China images → category:Images of China
 * Category:Colombia images → category:Images of Columbia
 * Category:Comoros images → category:Images of Comoros
 * Category:Congo images merge into category:Images of the Democratic Republic of Congo
 * Category:Côte d'Ivore images → category:Images of Côte d'Ivore
 * Category:Democratic Republic of Congo images → category:Images of the Democratic Republic of Congo
 * Category:Hong Kong images → category:Images of Hong Kong
 * Category:India images merge into category:Images of India
 * Category:Netherlands images → category:Images of the Netherlands
 * Category:Images of Poland
 * Category:Serbia and Montenegro images → category:Images of Serbia and Montenegro
 * Category:Singapore images → category:Images of Singapore
 * Category:Images of Sri Lanka
 * Category:Turkey images → category:Images of Turkey
 * Category:United Kingdom images → category:Images of the United Kingdom
 * Category:Images of United States → category:Images of the United States

 * Objection to form of proposal There is no such naming convention. The word "images" does not appear on the page linked. It is an unresolved matter on its talk page. There is no general rule that the "of" form should be used except for natural features. Images are not natural features. Thus we are being asked to create policy, not to implement it. CalJW 08:18, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is no existing convention listed at Naming conventions (categories) for the subcats of Category:Images by country. The request is to create such a convention (not change any policy) and the proposed convention admittedly differs from the existing de facto standard.  CFD is the place to institute and change these conventions, as described on the naming conventions page.  -- Rick Block (talk) 14:01, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose all. To quote my comments on the talk page:
 * The problem is that 48 out of 49 national categories are in "X images" format, while the subcategories of category:Images of places are in "Images of X" format. But apart from the categories for U.S. states "Images of places" is almost empty. Thus we have two different standards and Category:Images of United States is the intersection point. I favour "Images X" because not all the images in these categories show the whole of the place named. To me, "Images of the United States" only completely appropriate for satellite photos. An image of say a Harley Davidson is an image "from" or "taken in" the United States. Thus it's easiest to stick to "United States images" to cover all types of images, and all the continental and US state categories should be amended to reflect the convention used for countries. CalJW 01:52, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * CalJW 08:18, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * What are these "49 national categories" to which you refer? 49 is not the number of categories being discussed, and 20 of the "X images" categories are empty and thus do not indicate any consensus.   Also notice how many of these categories are near the start of the alphabet; they indicate a single user's project rather than a consensus.  (SEWilco 16:00, 30 September 2005 (UTC))
 * How about "X-related images"? That would matches the form used for two other national "content type" categories, category:lists by country and the by country categories in Category:Stub categories. The subcategories of Category:Maps use the "X maps" form. The current proposal is a departure from a de facto standard, rather than being in compliance with a policy as claimed. CalJW 08:47, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge those duplicated (e.g. Canada, Australia, India) according to consensus. — Instantnood 10:57, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename all. --Kbdank71 13:19, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename all. These obviously should be "of country" or "in country" categories (either as Man-made objects or Natural features), and the convention states in Naming conventions (categories)#How to name the country: "For "of country" and "in country" categories, the name of the country should appear as it does in the name of of the article about that country" (SEWilco 14:59, 30 September 2005 (UTC))
 * Rename all per my comments of previous discussion, to whit "I have no problem understanding that images of the Statue of Liberty or the White House are images of the United States. Isn't that the common way to refer to groups of images of objects within a country, they are images of that country. I suggest that the (current) format is unusual and not perhaps common usage." Hiding talk 15:42, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment This constant insistence that there is an established consensus on this matter when there is not, and I have pointed that out in the plainest terms, is lamentable conduct. CalJW 19:45, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename all. Current "X images" is grammatically unacceptable and does not fit with all other country-specific categories. siafu 13:46, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename as suggested, on the basis of grammar if nothing else. James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:South African schools to category:Schools in South Africa
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The result of the debate was Rename. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 02:02, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Rename to standard form: category:Schools in South Africa as per all but one of the other categories in schools by country. (But I don't think the other one should be changed (though it should be made a subcategory) which is another example of why these should not be speedies). CalJW 06:41, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Rename and add "Schools in foo" as the convention for subcats of Category:Schools by country to Naming conventions (categories). -- Rick Block (talk) 23:35, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename. This should be a speedy; making the other cat a subcategory does not require coming to CfD. siafu 13:48, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename as suggested. James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Castles of Armenia to category:Castles in Armenia
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The result of the debate was Rename. Naming convention candidate. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 01:56, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Rename category:Castles in Armenia to agree to all the other national castles categories. CalJW 05:35, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Rename and add "Castles of foo" "Castles in foo" as the convention for subcats of Category:Castles to Naming conventions (categories). -- Rick Block (talk) 06:37, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Presumably you mean "Castles in foo"? CalJW 08:28, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes. Sorry.  -- Rick Block (talk) 14:03, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename. No argument. siafu 13:51, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename as suggested. James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:list of Armenians
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The result of the debate was Delete. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 01:50, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

This is simply an out of date copy of the article list of Armenians. It was used as an article rather than as a category. It looks like an error. Delete CalJW 05:16, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. No argument. siafu 13:52, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:French politics to Category:Politics of France
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The result of the debate was Rename. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 01:47, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Rename Category:Politics of France in line with the convention for these categories. CalJW 05:06, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Rename. No argument. siafu 13:53, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
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Category:Films by star
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The result of the debate was Delete except Muppets, see closure note. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 01:45, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Category:Sophia Loren films → Category:Films starring Sophia Loren
 * Category:Muppet films → Films starring the Muppets
 * Category:Elvis Presley films → Category:Films starring Elvis Presley
 * Category:Peter Sellers films → Category:Films starring Peter Sellers
 * Category:James Stewart films → Category:Films starring James Stewart

Will make Category:Films by star consistent internally and parallel Category:Films by director in terms of naming regimen, also eliminates the "Clint Eastwood films" ambiguity problem identified earlier. -The Tom 04:34, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The delete all argument seems convincing, again with the "except Muppets" proviso. -The Tom

 * Don't bother renaming. There are only a few at the moment, but its a bad precedent. If we allow "Films by Star", it could expand to a massive number of unnecessary categories: almost every leading actor could have their own category. Just for example, how many categories would The Longest Day be in, or A Bridge Too Far? Delete all of them except Category:Muppet films which can be a sub-cat of Category:Film series. JW 09:53, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete all (Except Muppet) - As per JW. We deleted a single category like this a week or so ago. TexasAndroid 13:31, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete all per JW, TexasAndroid (sparing the Muppets). This could easily slide into POV as well, not to mention the cateogry-bloat. siafu 13:55, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete except for the Muppets ones, lest we get into matters of alleged "notability". James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete (except 'Muppet'). *drew 22:34, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Closing note only the categories tagged will be deleted. You may tag the other categories and reference this discussion, but they must have proper notice. ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  01:45, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:New Zealand natural history to Category:Natural history of New Zealand
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The result of the debate was Rename. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 01:42, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Rename consistent with all other members of Category:Natural history by country.--nixie 04:13, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Rename and add "Natural history of foo" as the convention for subcats of Category:Natural history by country to Naming conventions (categories). -- Rick Block (talk) 06:35, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename as per others.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 06:40, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename as suggested. James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename as suggested. Alan Liefting 04:14, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Diana Ross movies
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The result of the debate was Delete. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 01:39, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Diana Ross has only been in three feature films, and a handful of television movies. Non-neccessary category. --FuriousFreddy 03:18, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete - For same reasons given above in the Films by Star nomination. TexasAndroid 13:32, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete on it's own and per above. siafu 15:07, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per the nominator. *drew 00:15, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

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category:Japanese religion to Category:Religion in Japan
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The result of the debate was Rename. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 01:38, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Rename to standard form Category:Religion in Japan CalJW 02:44, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Speedy per criterion #4. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:52, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * As Rick Block knows I disapprove of criterion #4. I will continue to post them here and I would prefer them to be left for the full seven days. CalJW 03:37, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename as suggested. James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Closing note please show your opinions on policies on the talk page, not with WP:POINT. If someone objects to a category nominated for CSD, they have a 2 day period to disagree. ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  01:38, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

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category:Religions of Cambodia to Category:Religion in Cambodia
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Rename to standard form Category:Religion in Cambodia CalJW 02:44, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Speedy per criterion #4. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:52, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
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Category:Religion of Iceland to Category:Religion in Iceland
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Rename to standard form Category:Religion in Iceland CalJW 02:33, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Speedy per criterion #4. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:52, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
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Buildings in London
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The result of the debate was Rename. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 01:32, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Most of the London buildings and structures categories already use the "in" form, which is standard for man-made objects, but some do not: Rename all CalJW 01:51, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Category:London hospitals --> Category:Hospitals in London
 * Category:London hotels --> Category:Hotels in London
 * Category:London markets --> category:Markets in London
 * Category:London places of worship --> Category:Places of worship in London
 * Category:London prisons --> category:Prisons in London

 * Rename as suggested. James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Politics of the U.S. to Category:Politcs of the United States
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Rename Category:Politcs of the United States in line with policy of avoiding abbreviations. CalJW 01:17, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Speedy per criterion #4. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:52, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
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Category:Mexican politics to Category:Politics of Mexico
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The result of the debate was Rename. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 01:29, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Rename to standard form Category:Politics of Mexico CalJW 01:13, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Speedy per criterion #4. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:52, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename as suggested. James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename per above. --Vizcarra 22:03, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Lithuanian towns to Category:Towns in Lithuania
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Rename to standard Category:Towns in Lithuania CalJW 00:33, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Speedy per criterion #4. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:52, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
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Category:Lithuanian cities to Category:Cities in Lithuania
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Rename to standard Category:Cities in Lithuania CalJW 00:31, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Teenage Robot
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The result of the debate was No consensus (no change). ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 01:26, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Contains three articles; unlikely to gain more. <i style="font-family:Georgia;">tregoweth</i> 00:26, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep Three articles is enough. It's neater to tidy them away in their own category than leave them hanging around forever in a more general one. CalJW 00:33, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Three articles is insufficient. siafu 15:27, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete should be Robot characters in film and TV or something similar if existing at all Arnie587 17:20, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, agree with CalJW. James F. (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 'Rename to My Life as a Teenage Robot. --FuriousFreddy 00:20, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename as per FuriousFreddy. That's the correct name of the show. TexasAndroid 12:59, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Teenage Robot characters
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The result of the debate was Delete. ∞ Who ? ¿ ? 01:24, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Unpopulated; unlikely to gain articles. <i style="font-family:Georgia;">tregoweth</i> 00:26, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete CalJW 00:33, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete if a category did exist surely it should be more general like "Robots characters in film and TV" or something similar Arnie587 17:18, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
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White Island (Ross Archipelago)

White Island (-78.13333°N, 167.4°W) is an island in the Ross Archipelago of Antarctica. It is 15 nmi long, protruding through the Ross Ice Shelf immediately east of Black Island. It was discovered by the British National Antarctic Expedition (1901–04) and so named by them because of the mantle of snow that covers it.

Protected Area
Some 142 km2 of shelf ice adjoining the north-west coast of the island has been designated an Antarctic Specially Protected Area (ASPA 137) because it supports an isolated, small breeding population of Weddell seals.

Geology
White Island consists of two Pleistocene shield volcanoes overlain by volcanic cones. The last known eruption occurred 0.17 million years ago.

Features
Features include, from south to north, Mount Nesos, Mount Henderson, Isolation Point, Mount Nipha, Mount Hayward, Mount Heine, and Cape Spencer-Smith.

Mount Nesos
-78.2°N, 167.1°W. The remnants of a volcanic core, over 400 m high, projecting through the ice near the southwest end of White Island. Named by the New Zealand Geological Survey Antarctic Expedition (NZGSAE; 1958-59) from the Greek word nesos (nisos), meaning island, and referring to the fact that although isolated by the ice sheet the hill is a part of White Island.

Mount Henderson
-78.18333°N, 167.33333°W. A hill 2 nmi west-northwest of Isolation Point in the south-central part of White Island. Named by the NZGSAE (1958-59) for G.B. Henderson, a member of that expedition.

Isolation Point
-78.18333°N, 167.5°W. A small volcanic peak projecting through the ice sheet covering the southeast extremity of White Island. So named because of its remote position by the NZGSAE, 1958-59.

Davis Bluff
-78.15°N, 167.58333°W. A rock bluff rising to 400 m high, 2 nmi northeast of Isolation Point. Named by United States Advisory Committee on Antarctic Names (US-ACAN; 2005) after Randall W. Davis, Department of Marine Biology, Texas A'&'M University, Galveston, TX, who studied the Weddell seal in McMurdo Sound sea ice areas, 1977-2003, including winter season research at White Island with Michael A. Castellini (Castellini Bluff. q.v.), 1981.

Mount Nipha
-78.15°N, 167.4°W. A hill, 760 m high, standing almost precisely in the center of White Island. Nipha is a Greek word for snow. So named by the NZGSAE (1958-59) because the hill is surrounded by ice and snow.

Castellini Bluff
-78.15°N, 167.16667°W. A rock bluff rising to about 500 m high between Dibble Bluff and Mount Nesos. Named by US-ACAN (2005) after Michael A. Castellini, Institute of Marine Sciences, University of Alaska, Fairbanks, AK, who studied the Weddell seal in McMurdo Sound sea ice areas, 1977-2004, including winter season research at White Island with Randall W. Davis (Davis Bluff), 1981.

Dibble Bluff
-78.11667°N, 167.21667°W. A conspicuous rock bluff, 1 nmi south of Marshall Cirque on the west side of White Island, Ross Archipelago. The bluff rises abruptly from Murdo Ice Shelf to over 400 meters. Named by US-ACAN (1999) after Ray R. Dibble, Department of Geology, Victoria University of Wellington, who investigated volcanic eruptions and the seismicity of nearby Mount Erebus in five seasons, 1980-81 through 1984-85.

Mount Hayward
-78.11667°N, 167.35°W. A hill 2 nmi southwest of Mount Heine. Named by the NZGSAE (1958-59) for V. Hayward, a Canadian member of the Imperial Trans-Antarctic Expedition (1914-17), who lost his life in a blizzard on May 8, 1916 when the sea ice in McMurdo Sound went out.

Mount Heine
-78.08333°N, 167.45°W. A hill, 760 m high, in the north part of White Island. Named by the NZGSAE (1958-59) for A.J. Heine, leader of their party who visited White Island. Heine, who climbed this hill, spent four summers and one winter in Antarctica, mostly in the McMurdo Sound area.

Marshall Cirque
-78.08333°N, 167.26667°W. An ice-filled cirque, 1 nmi wide, located 1 nmi southwest of Kienle Cirque on the west side of White Island. Named by US-ACAN (1999) after Dianne L. Marshall, Geophysical Institute, University of Alaska, Fairbanks, who investigated the volcanic activity and seismicity of nearby Mount Erebus in 1981-82 and 1982-83.

Kienle Cirque
-78.06667°N, 167.35°W. An ice-filled cirque, 2 nmi wide, the largest cirque on the west side of White Island. Named by US-ACAN (1999) after Juergen Kienle, Geophysical Institute, University of Alaska, Fairbanks, a team leader for the investigation of volcanic activity and seismicity at nearby Mount Erebus in six seasons, 1980-81 through 1985-86.

Speden Bench
-78.02872°N, 167.41815°W. A bench about 45 m high on the west side of White Island, 1 nmi from the north end. The bench comprises the northwest-most moraine-covered volcanic outcrops on the island, upon which occur tuffaceous conglomerate block and shell fragments of the Scallop Hill Formation. Named by US-ACAN (1999) after Ian G. Speden, New Zealand Geological Survey, DSIR, who, accompanied by A.C. Beck, collected fossiliferous deposits here, December 22, 1958.

Cape Spencer-Smith
-78°N, 167.45°W. The northernmost cape of White Island. Named by the NZGSAE (1958-59) for the Rev. Arnold P. Spencer-Smith, chaplain with the Ross Sea Party of the Imperial Trans-Antarctic Expedition (1914-17), who died on March 9, 1916, on the return journey after laying the depots to Mount Hope for Shackleton's party. He had suffered from scurvy and had been carried for 40 days on a sledge by his companions prior to his death.

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Algueirão–Mem Martins

Algueirão – Mem Martins is a Portuguese civil parish, in the municipality (concelho) of Sintra, and part of the Lisbon Metropolitan Area.

It was elevated from the status of village to town on 1 February 1988.

Toponymy
The toponym 'Algueirão' dates back to the Muslim presence in the region between the 8th and 12th centuries. It evolved from the Arab term al-gueirān, meaning the caves.

'Mem Martins' is a proper name of uncertain origin, consisting of the medieval given name Mem and the patronymic Martins, likely after one of the first property owners in the region following the Portuguese conquest of Lisbon and Sintra.

Geography
It covers 16.00 km².

Demographics
The population in 2011 was 66,250. The population density is 4,100 inhabitants per square kilometer.

Notable structures

 * Fountain of Sacotes (Fontanário de Sacotes)
 * Church of Nossa Senhora das Mercês (Capela e Recinto da Feira das Mercês/Igreja de Nossa Senhora das Mercês), a 17th-century church and churchyard;
 * Hermitage of São Romão (Ermida de São Romão), a Manueline-era rural hermitage, comprising one nave with a vaulted ceiling.

Notable people

 * André Ventura, jurist, professor, former sports pundit and politician, founder and president of the Chega party

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Ministry of Municipal Affairs (Manitoba)

Manitoba Municipal and Northern Relations (formerly Department of Municipal Affairs until 1978) is a department of the Government of Manitoba that deals with local administrations and bodies, including municipalities, planning districts, and non-governmental organizations. This includes the provision of training, ongoing consultation, technical analysis, and funding related to land management, community renewal, infrastructure, and the building of capacity of local governments to provide services.

The department is organized into two functional areas: Community Planning and Development; and Infrastructure and Municipal Services. There are also two areas of special focus:

 * The Manitoba Water Services Board is a Crown Corporation of the department that helps deliver technical advice/information in order to develop and upgrade sewer and water infrastructure
 * The Office of the Fire Commissioner is a special operating agency of the department, with a mandate to "safeguard both persons and property from fire and life safety hazards through education, investigations, inspections, emergency response and code application."

History
From 1886 to 1953, responsibility for overseeing municipal affairs throughout the province of Manitoba belong to the Department of the Municipal Commissioner, which was established by The Manitoba Municipal Act. The Municipal Commissioner replaced the existing system of municipal councils, county councils, and judicial boards which was established in the 1870s. This system was maintained by municipal taxation, and was soon found to be too costly and difficult to manage. County councils were abolished in 1884, followed by the judicial boards two years later; the Department of Municipal Commissioner was created thereafter.

In 1953, the office of Municipal Commissioner was restructured and the provincial government assumed new responsibilities for municipal supervision. The result was the creation of the Department of Municipal Affairs by The Department of Municipal Affairs Act on 20 April 1953.

From around 1966 to 1969, the department was known as the Department of Urban Development and Municipal Affairs. However, in 1971, the enactment of the new City of Winnipeg Act saw the creation a new Department of Urban Affairs, which was responsible for advising and assisting the new City of Winnipeg. The Department of Municipal Affairs continued to advise and assist rural municipalities in Manitoba.

In 1978, the Municipal Affairs and Urban Affairs departments briefly merged to create the Department of Municipal and Urban Affairs. In 1979, a Minister of Urban Affairs was appointed but the departments did not formally separate again until 1981.

In 1989, under the government of Gary Filmon, Municipal Affairs was combined with parts of the Department of Industry, Trade and Tourism, the Department of Agriculture, and the Department of Natural Resources to form the Department of Rural Development. It provided advisory and program services to municipalities, local economic and environmental organizations, and citizens in rural Manitoba. In 1992, the Department was organized into two divisions—Local Government Services and Rural Economic Development—which oversaw branches and programs including the Food Development Centre, Rural Development Institute, Conservation Districts Program, and Assessment Branch.

In 1999, Rural Development merged with the Department of Urban Affairs to create the Department of Intergovernmental Affairs. All of the programs of the former Department of Rural Development were absorbed into the new department, except for the Food Development Centre, which became part of the Department of Agriculture and Food.

In 2003, the Department's Rural and Northern Community Economic Development division was transferred to the newly-created Manitoba Agriculture, Food and Rural Initiatives (MAFRI) department. At the same time, the Trade and Federal-Provincial and International Relations division was created in the department through programming transfers from five departments; as result, the department was renamed the Department of Intergovernmental Affairs and Trade. In September 2006, the Trade and Federal-Provincial and International Relations division, the Canada-Manitoba Infrastructure Agreement and the Economic Partnership Agreement were transferred out of the department and it was again renamed the Department of Intergovernmental Affairs.

In November 2009, the various divisions were transferred out of the Department of Intergovernmental Affairs and it was subsequently renamed the Department of Local Government. In October 2013, a government reorganization added the Energy Division, along with responsibilities for Manitoba Hydro, to the department which was then renamed the Department of Municipal Government. A new position of Minister Responsible for Relations with the City of Winnipeg was created under this new department.

On 3 May 2016, the responsibilities of the former departments of Municipal Government and Aboriginal and Northern Affairs were combined into a single unit, the department of Indigenous and Municipal Relations, created by the newly-elected government led by Brian Pallister. The following year, the portfolios were again split, establishing the departments of Municipal Relations and Indigenous and Northern Relations.

List of Municipal Relations ministers
The longest-serving Minister of Municipal Affairs in Manitoba was Howard Pawley, who served from 1969 to 1976 and played a significant role in the amalgamation of Winnipeg. Pawley later served as Premier of Manitoba from 1981 to 1988.

Statutory responsibilities

 * The Buildings and Mobile Homes Act
 * City of Winnipeg Charter (S.M. 2002, c. 39)
 * The Capital Region Partnership Act
 * The Community Renewal Act
 * The Convention Centre Corporation Act (S.M. 1988-89, c. 39)
 * The Electricians' Licence Act
 * The Elevator Act
 * The Fires Prevention and Emergency Response Act
 * The Gas and Oil Burner Act
 * The Local Government Districts Act
 * The Municipal Act
 * The Municipal Assessment Act
 * The Municipal Affairs Administration Act
 * The Municipal Amalgamations Act
 * The Municipal Board Act
 * The Municipal Councils and School Boards Elections Act
 * An Act respecting Debts Owing by Municipalities to School Districts
 * The Official Time Act
 * The Planning Act [except Part 10]
 * The Power Engineers Act
 * The Regional Waste Management Authorities Act
 * The Soldiers' Taxation Relief Act
 * The Steam and Pressure Plants Act
 * The Technical Safety Act
 * The Unconditional Grants Act
 * The Manitoba Water Services Board Act
 * The Bilingual Service Centres Act, C.C.S.M. c. B37
 * The Francophone Community Enhancement and Support Act, C.C.S.M. c. F157
 * The Department of Agriculture, Food and Rural Development Act [Section 9 "insofar as it relates to Rural Opportunities 4 Growth, Infrastructure Grants or Rural Economic Development Initiatives"]
 * The Amusements Act [Part II]
 * The Labour Administration Act ["insofar as it relates to the administration of The Fires Prevention and Emergency Response Act"]
 * The Municipal Taxation and Funding Act [Part 2]


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Thank you for your support in my successful RfA. I hope I can live up to expectations. - Trevor MacInnis (Talk | Contribs) 00:16, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Endless Online
I'd like to request a change of the stub tag in Endless Online (the page you have protected) to, as a part of WikiProject Stub sorting. Conscious 05:14, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Conscious 05:18, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Hello, I thank you for your support to my adminship. We shall surely interact more. And, I entered here boldly without abandoning any hope ! --Bhadani 10:28, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

The charter is here. (Relating to Esperanza)
Hello Phroziac, the Charter for Esperanza is up. Take a looksie :) R  e  dwolf24  (talk) 02:54, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for the help. I’m still trying to get a handle on this. The Image is created by Alex Kolesar, the artist of the web comic the article is about. The material on the site is © to him, but he allows the use of the banner posted on the article as well as any other images on the site if they are used for promotional purposes (reviews, links, etc.) Did I select the appropriate tag? Thanks again!

The palantir 17:30, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

I owe you another thanks!
It looks like I won't have to hang my head in shame for loosing my first article.

The palantir 18:02, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Cheer up...
...or the bear gets it!

Don't let the bear die! --GraemeL (talk) 19:12, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup taskforce
Hi, for information, I have added a task to your desk. Andreww 11:21, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

extreme lesbian support
I'm unsure what you mean with this comment, which you have made several times here and at commons. If you are adding the word "lesbian" for emphasis or shock value, I believe that doing so is misguided since the many Wikipedians who have been gay bashed here or in real life may find it evocative of those events. If you mean something else, I'll admit that I'm puzzled. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 16:55, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The "extreme lesbian support" is rapidly becaming a fad at WP:RFA (see Requests for adminship/Durin). Could you finally explain its meaning and significance? — J I P | Talk 11:31, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza made less bureaucratic
Hello again, I have (unilatterly) taken away the 'assembly' idea, as per my reasons at that edit summary and per Wikipedia talk:Esperanza/Charter. I have left the admin general, as some leadership is good. Now, all you have to do is be a member to establish consensus, the whole assembly idea is gone. Also, I have added an advisory committee, of four members, with limited power besides watching over the admin general and making sure he doesn't do anything stupid. Please look at the ammended charter, and I would love a comment. R e  dwolf24  (talk) 00:27, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Thanks for your support in my recent RfA. Perhaps an RfA cliche template is a good idea. Anyway, I look forward to using my new powers in the service of Good.

Great, now I'm talking like some sort of deranged superhero... -R. fiend 17:43, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

The last time I'm spamming you all with Esperanza stuff
Hello Phroziac. As you may or may not know, there have been some troubles with Esperanza. So now, as a last ditch to save the community, please vote at Esperanza/Reform on all neccisary polls. P.S. I'm very sorry for spamming you all with these messages, and this will be the last time. I recommend putting ESP on your watchlist. Cheers and please look at that, let's stop the civil war then. R e  dwolf24  (talk) 02:51, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

EfnetM-a-t-h
Can you redelete EfnetM-a-t-h? It was recreated. *rolls eyes* ♥purplefeltangel (talk) ♥ (Contributions) 01:24, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

165.111.2.149
I notice you've warned this user, could they perhaps be blocked as they continue to vandalise Democritus and I'm near the 3 revert limit. I'm sure you'll deal with this as you see fit, so no reply is neccesary :) Mallocks 15:23, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

R/C picture
I'd forgotten about that picture...been a long time since I uploaded that one. It's from someone's online photo album and, if I'm right, isn't copyrighted. I'll tag the info. Thanks! - Lucky 6.9 21:34, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Jack Sarfatti
Hello, Phroziac. I noticed that you responded to the page protection request for Jack Sarfatti; I'd already protected the page. However, could you immediately take a look at WP:AN, where I've posted a summary of the issue? If you could review it immediately, that would be great, as User:JackSarfatti still seems to be logged on, and he appears to be sincere about his legal threats (see the post at the bottom of my talk page). Thanks a lot! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | WS 00:51, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I just wanted to drop a thank you note (those are always welcome, right?) for your quick response to my request for page protection, even though it didn't turn out to be needed. I'm not sure blocking was the best move, but it was getting rather nasty.... so thanks for that too.--C S 05:04, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

subst tags
Thanks for giving me the heads up on the subst tags, I had seen those a couple times (AfD instructions), but didn't know what they meant. Seems pretty useful. -GregAsche (talk) 02:42, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Your evidence
Hi Proziac! I noticed that you have provided some diffs to the ArbCom case, and I would like you to change this "Davenbelle admits to stalking Cool Cat" as it is obviously misleading. Try to read the diff again please. Thanks in advance. -- Karl Meier 15:17, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, many thanks for that! However as a suggestion I think it would me more accurate to write something like "Davenbelle reject stalking and claim to have monitored Cool Cat for a number of good reasons". I think it would make it more easy for the members of the ArbCom to have it spelled out like that. There is already a lot of material to read for them. Oh, and BTW just made a comment on your evidence on the discussion page here -- Karl Meier 15:35, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

 * And another thing (I know I am writing a lot on the talkpage these minutes, but I feel it is needed), is you commentary on the Kurdish people edits. I find that the comment: "Karl Meier reverts Cool Cat, but shows sign of talk page usage" is also misleading. If you go through the diffs you will notice that I used the talk page and mentioned my concerns right away, and from the beginning. I think the above comment might make mislead the ArbCom members to think otherwise. I suggest that you remove the comment and add possible add something like "and mentions his concerns regarding Cool Cat's edits on the talkpage" on the first of my diffs. That would as the history show be much more accurate. -- Karl Meier 15:48, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Many thanks for that Phroziac. You are obviously a reasonable guy. However, I also think that comment should be at one of the much earlier diffs. My first comment on the talkpage regarding this issue was here: . -- Karl Meier 16:04, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

User:Hall Monitors
Hi, and thanks for the heads up dude!What name should I choose? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hall Monitors (talk • contribs)

RfA
Just to say thanks for supporting my RfA. Please let me know if you see me screw up anytime. --Doc (?) 19:13, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Skuld
Could you please motivate why you have moved Skuld. It is nice to know that there are more people who think like User:Coolcat, but I think you both are wrong here.--Wiglaf 17:17, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

 * You could also explain on Talk:Skuld why you think that Skuld should be a disambiguation page. Both I and Uppland would read it with interest.--Wiglaf 17:25, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

RickK anti-vandalism barnstar!
Do you know that User:Cool Cat is a lot of why RickK left? — Davenbelle 05:15, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

 * RickK could even request the barnstars name be changed after he learns that one of the main persons responsable of him leaving the project, get a barnstar named after him. People here seems to have a rather short memory, and it is a diservice to the memory of RickKs contribution to Wikipedia. Fadix 21:43, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Spam Court
Was it a good idea to close this nomination early? You seem to be making a point here. Non-notability is a de facto qualification for deletion in many cases. While I mostly agree with the point you are making this seems like a bad way. Christopher Parham (talk) 06:30, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

I saw that too. Phroziac, I do not know if you were trying to make a WP:POINT, but that's not really the crux of the issue here, methinks. I just wanted to suggest that maybe you could consider a somewhat less hasty approach when you find yourself in situations where someone else is annoying you, or seems to have done something you consider wrong or stupid. Maybe talk first, shoot later, know what I mean? If you find yourself getting annoyed at a nom you consider silly or inappropriate or poorly explained, a good thing to do is explain politely why you think so. It's less helpful to just close off the nom or delete the page. If you find yourself disagreeing with another admin's close, a good idea is to talk to her first, and find out why she did what she did. It's less helpful to open up an archived thread, unilaterally overule her, and delete the article. When you talk to folks first you might understand why they acted in ways that seemed inexplicable to you—and who knows, you may find you agreed with them more than not, eh? Cheers— enceph alon  15:00, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I wasn't trying to make a WP:POINT. It's not that nomination that was annoying me, it's a pattern of similar ones. And, I didn't speedy keep it because it annoyed me; I did it because we should only allow nominations made in good faith, and where the person actually *looked* at the article first. If you looked at the article, then making a short summary of why it should be deleted should be no problem. Two letters and the word delete, or three letters, are not acceptable. Lazyness is no excuse. Would we accept an RFC that says " is a ", even if it has two people to certify it, and there is evidence and proof that dispute resolution hasn't worked? And, certainly we wouldn't allow that on rfar? Anyway, I won't do it again...it's obvious there's significant opposition. But, if I could get the afd policy adjusted... --Phroziac(talk)[[Image:Flag_of_Phyzech_Republic.svg|25px]] 15:16, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you Phroziac, it's kind of you to reply. I don't doubt that you were not trying to make a WP:POINT, and I do not at all suggest that you did. As to the larger question we're talking about, perhaps I should be clearer: I'm not disputing that you may have very valid reasons for feeling as you do—in fact in this AfD we're talking about I agree with you that a longer explanation of the rationale is desirable. I'm just suggesting that the way you're registering your disagreement may not be ideal. Instead of closing off mikka's page, it would have been more productive for you to have spoken to him—that way, if he had a good reason for doing as he did you'd learn it, and if he didn't he'd learn a useful thing from you and improve the way he writes AfDs. If you unilaterally take action without talking to the other party first, there is greater potential for needless disagreement and conflict. Don't you agree?

 * As to your final thoughts, please understand that no one is "opposing" your contention that AfD noms should be clearly written—both Chris Parham and I would agree with you. There is also no need to "get the afd policy adjusted". We're only saying that it will be helpful for you to communicate with those around you whom you may disagree with: at the very least it's good conflict management. Wadya say? :) All the best— enceph alon  16:10, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, I agree. But, I really do think the policy should be adjusted to ask for clear and verbose reasons. --Phroziac(talk)[[Image:Flag_of_Phyzech_Republic.svg|25px]] 16:31, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

RickK anti-vandalism barnstar!
Thank you! --Cool Cat Talk 11:59, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

University of Miami Help/Question.
I brought someone to your attention on the 3RR board just over a week ago and you banned him fgor 24 hours, Brian Brockmeyer. Well, the day after he was suspended, a new name popped up and carried on his crusade, Soldia1219. Coincidence? Maybe. Then there is Juicedpalmeiro, who also seems to only edit the same pages that Brian edits and started contibuting the first time Brian was suspended in August of 2005. Coincidece? Maybe. Seems very odd though. I am sick of editing the Miami page, and the people won't discuss it to settle it. What should I do? AriGold 20:07, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for agreeing to look into it. Now it looks like the three names are alternating to avoid the 3RR vio. I have tried repeatedly to discuss this with "Brian", on his page, but he just keeps deleting my message.  Can we just get it locked, or can a user be blocked by his IP? AriGold 17:20, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

AFD
Thanks for the tip, but I had to do them all at once as they were from one source. Speedy would be best. :-) -- Spinboy 23:36, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

NPA
Please keep in mind WP:NPA, even for people you feel are harming wikipedia and vandals. --fvw *  02:26, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Wow, where did i violate NPA? I sure don't remember doing that, and that's one of the rules i believe in the most. :/ A diff or two would be nice. --Phroziac(talk)[[Image:Flag_of_Phyzech_Republic.svg|25px]] 02:30, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * There was some talk of morons and such on coolcat's page protection and the related pages. It's no biggie, the annoyance gets to us all some times, but even if they are just vandals it's not conducive to pleasant editing and don't solve anything. As they say, don't wrestle in the mud with pigs, you both get dirty and the pig enjoys it. (And that's not a personal attack but a metaphor). --fvw *  02:34, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

RE: RickK
I did not assume, you did it in purpouses, you did not need to defend yourself. About the incidence. You can read more about it here. Fadix 05:33, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Two-letter reasons for deletion
Hey Phroziac,

I noticed the conversation you're having above about your "speedy keep." While I'm not sure I agree with the way you dealt with it, I have to agree with you that a two-letter reason for deletion is not helpful. Specifically, I think using "wikipedia jargon" or very short abbreviations is an inadvertent way of biting the newbies, who may not understand what it means when their article about their favourite band/teacher/self gets nominated as "nn". Where should we start bringing this to the community's attention? One idea I have is to make a Template:nn with something like: "Delete, this article does not meet my standards of notability" so people can still minimize the number of keystrokes but type something clear to non-regulars. What do you think, and where is the right place to discuss this? moink 15:50, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi moink, good idea. I think the AFD page and associated talk page are good places. I don't think a separate template is necessary though; we'd have to create quite a few to cover everything, too. The message really is: explain your nominations clearly, with no jargon. Perhaps a post on the AfD talk page to draw attention to the matter, and the inclusion of a sentence in the step by step instructions, specifically II, in the AfD guide at the bottom of the page will suffice.— enceph alon  16:26, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree it's biting the newcomers, and I have also commented on this to several people now, and atleast one of them agreed and said they will stop. A template for this is a good idea, but how many would we have to make? And, encephalon is right. --Phroziac(talk)[[Image:Flag_of_Phyzech_Republic.svg|25px]] 16:32, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

 * As for the number of templates, we'd just have to create one or two and it would start a trend I think. I should eat today, and do real work, but maybe later I'll start a general conversation about it in the places encephalon suggested.  moink 16:36, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

The use of abbreviations on AfDs, etc.
Hello Phroziac, what's the rumpus?

I saw your post in reply to Brighterorange and myself on the Land of Monsters AfD, and left a semi-lengthy reply there, which I'll post below in case you're not planning on going back there. I was irritated when I first read your reply, so kindly take that into account. Now that I've thought about it more, I wanted to bring my different point of view to your attention, and hopefully clear the air about my thoughts on the matter. First, here's the original posts (just mine and yours):

 * Delete Nn zine-cruft. Sounds good 'n' worthless. --Blackcap | talk 17:00, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Please don't use the term cruft on AFD, it's biting the newcomers, and many people find it offensive. And, please don't call peoples work worthless. --Phroziac(talk)[[Image:Flag_of_Phyzech_Republic.svg|25px]] 23:42, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * From WP:GAFD: "-cruft (for example, 'fancruft', 'gamecruft' or 'forumcruft') is shorthand for 'This article is trivia of interest only to hardcore fans of a specific film, television series, book, game, pop singer, web forum, etc.'" Bollocks to not using "cruft." It's useful, and it's even listed in the Guide. For one thing, newcomers who vote on AfDs votes are rarely counted and are often assumed to be sockpuppets, so the "don't bite the newbies" argument is simply trite and unhelpful. When was the last time you saw a newcomer vote on AfD have a vote that was actually grounded in WP policy and was worthy of being counted? Never, for me. Second thing, if a newcomer can't be bothered to read the instructions to AfD, which includes in its glossary such terms as "nn" and "cruft," then that's their problem, not the person who uses those terms. It's shorthand so that we don't waste our time writing out the same old arguments over and over again in longhand. --Blackcap | talk 00:57, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Note: I am entirely in agreeance with not biting newbies, and go out of my way to apologize for and explain misunderstandings. But saying not to use established, easily understood terms that apply perfectly to the article in question to avoid offending the writer of an article that doesn't belong here is too much. --Blackcap | talk 00:57, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

I realized that I was risking you not taking this as I meant it, so I'm writing here to clarify a few things:
 * 1) Honestly, I take WP:BITE very seriously. I want people to be welcome here, esp. the new fellows, and I watch the pages of users I put test tags on, just in case they reply, and in the rare cases they do, I do my best to help them understand that they're welcome here but that certain things aren't allowed. I have my own welcome message and so on and so forth. I can give some diffs if you want, but I just wanted you to know that I try hard not to chase away the fresh meat (kidding).
 * 2) If a newbie votes on AfD, I welcome it, but if it's not rooted in WP policy, or more often, is just simply vandalism, then I'll ignore it and probably mark it as a sock. WP is for encyclopedia writers, not vain wankers who couldn't give a shite about WP or what we stand for.
 * 3) And lastly, when a newbie comes onto AfD or VfU or whatever, and is insulted by having an article called "vanity" or "cruft" or "non-notable," or doesn't understand what "nn" or "dab" means, then I try to explain it to them on their talk page or on the AfD. (I'm hoping you don't ask me for proof, because I have no idea where in my contribs I have a diff for this, but I know there're some somewhere :)).

My two points are that frustration on AfDs is normal, and is permissible in my mind—after all, that's where WP removes its worst content, and it's natural to feel ticked that some IP is vandalizing, hoaxing, etc. all over your favorite online project. It's where we can have a sense of humor about how bad it gets (e.g. "good 'n' worthless"). If someone is insulted, I can always explain, and I do. The second point is that these terms (cruft etc.) are necessary for our sanity as editors so that we don't write the same boring arguments over and over again, and it gives us a mildly insulting term to let off a little steam rather than holding that in. And as I've said before, it can always be explained.

Please forgive me the length of this post, I didn't mean to pull a GordonWatts on you, but I wanted to say how I felt on the matter, hear your thoughts, and let things rest. I hope this clears things up.

Slán agat, --Blackcap | talk 16:52, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Replied here. --Blackcap | talk 17:42, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

More on cruft
According to the WP article on it, and the links it has, cruft doesn't mean crap. Here, take a look. Just thought you'd be interested :). --Blackcap | talk 05:15, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * "Although the origins of this term are uncertain, it is suggested that the term is derived from Harvard's Cruft Hall, which was the Harvard Physics Department's radar lab during WWII. As late as the early nineties, unused technical equipment could be seen stacked in front of Cruft Hall's windows. This image of "undiscarded technical clutter" quickly migrated from hardware to software, from which it was even more mind-bogglingly difficult to remove." <-- sounds like crap to me. ;) But ok. --Phroziac(talk)[[Image:Flag_of_Phyzech_Republic.svg|25px]] 05:17, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, less insulting, right? More like kipple. Didja ever read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? Seems a bit more on the humorous side. --Blackcap | talk 16:07, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe. I haven't read that. --Phroziac(talk)[[Image:Flag_of_Phyzech_Republic.svg|25px]] 16:28, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

User Page
Could you please lock my user page. Thanks. Leonig Mig 13:56, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

title: User talk:Lexi Marie/Archive3


text:
Amundsen Bay

Amundsen Bay, also known as Ice Bay, is a long embayment 24 mi wide, close west of the Tula Mountains in Enderby Land, Antarctica. The bay was seen as a large pack-filled recession in the coastline by Sir Douglas Mawson on 14 January 1930. Seen by Captain Hjalmar Riiser-Larsen in charge of a Norwegian expedition during an airplane flight on 15 January and subsequently mapped nearer its true position by the Norwegians. The bay was mapped in detail by an Australian National Antarctic Research Expeditions party landed by aircraft in 1956 and another landed by launch from Thala Dan in February 1958. It was named by Mawson after Roald Amundsen, the Norwegian explorer who was first to reach the South Pole.

title: Amundsen Bay


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Tange Promontory

Tange Promontory is an ice-covered peninsula just west of Casey Bay on the coast of Enderby Land in Antarctica. Kirkby Head is a sheer coastal outcrop on Tange Promontory, at the east side of the entrance to Alasheyev Bight.

Tange Promontory was plotted from air photographs taken from an ANARE (Australian National Antarctic Research Expeditions) aircraft in November 1956 and mapped by the Soviet Antarctic Expedition in February 1957. Tange Promontory was named by ANCA for Sir Arthur Tange, Secretary of the Australian Department of External Affairs from 1954 to 1965.

title: Tange Promontory


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Birth of a Nation (1983 film)

Birth of a Nation is a 1983 television play starring Jim Broadbent as teacher Geoff Figg. It was written by David Leland and directed by Mike Newell. It was originally broadcast on the ITV on 19 June 1983 as the first in an untitled series of works by Leland (including Made in Britain), all loosely concerned with the British educational system, which subsequently acquired the overall title of Tales Out of School.

It was #31 in The Daily Telegraph's list of the Top 60 ITV shows. It was reviewed in newspapers such as The Times and the Reading Evening Post.

title: Birth of a Nation (1983 film)


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Aspidosperma quebracho-blanco

Aspidosperma quebracho-blanco, commonly known as Quebracho blanco, kebrako, or white quebracho, is a South American tree species, native to Brazil, northern Argentina, Bolivia, Paraguay, and Uruguay. It must not be confused with other species also known as quebracho, but belonging to the genus Schinopsis.

Description
Aspidosperma quebracho-blanco is an evergreen tree. It reaches 20 to 30 meters in height in the Humid Chaco, and 8 to 12 meters in the Dry Chaco. The foliage is sclerophyllous.

Habitat and range
Aspidosperma quebracho-blanco is generally found in dry deciduous forests, where it grows on clay soils. It is most common in the Gran Chaco, Humid Chaco, Argentine Espinal, and Bolivian montane dry forests ecoregions of Paraguay, Argentina, Bolivia, and Brazil. Its range extends to adjacent ecoregions, including the Uruguayan savanna, Paraná flooded savanna, Southern Cone Mesopotamian savanna, Southern Andean Yungas, Cerrado, Pantanal, Central Andean puna, Chiquitano dry forests, and Beni savanna.

Timber
Quebracho blanco wood is uniformly yellow-ochre, without differences between hardwood and sapwood. It is quite heavy (relative density = 0.885 g/cm3) and hard, and responds well to bending and shock. Upon drying it tends to collapse, producing deformations and cracks, so the drying process is slow; the wood must be treated with fungicides. It is easy to work and has many uses in carpentry (carts, wheels, floors, shoes, tool handles, furniture); it is also good for chess pieces, skis, etc. Preserved with creosote it can be used outdoors. In some places it is widely used as charcoal, since it does not produce sparks or large amounts of ash, and it burns strong and slowly.

Other chemicals
Quebrachitol is a cyclitol, a cyclic polyol found in the bark of A. quebracho. Quebrachine is a chemical synonym for yohimbine since it was first isolated from the bark of A. quebracho-blanco.

Cultivars

 * 'Pendula' - with weeping branches.

title: Aspidosperma quebracho-blanco