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Quinn the Eskimo (Mighty Quinn)

"Quinn the Eskimo (The Mighty Quinn)" is a folk-rock song written and first recorded by Bob Dylan in 1967 during the Basement Tapes sessions. The song's first release was in January 1968 as "Mighty Quinn" in a version by the British band Manfred Mann, which became a great success. It has been recorded by a number of performers, often under the "Mighty Quinn" title.

The subject of the song is the arrival of Quinn (an Eskimo), who prefers a more relaxed lifestyle [" jumping queues, and making haste just ain't my cup of meat"] and refuses hard work ["Just tell me where to put 'em and I'll tell you who to call"], but brings joy to the people.

Dylan is widely believed to have derived the title character from actor Anthony Quinn's role as an Eskimo in the 1960 movie The Savage Innocents. Dylan has also been quoted as saying that the song was nothing more than a "simple nursery rhyme". A 2004 Chicago Tribune article said the song was named after Gordon Quinn, co-founder of Kartemquin Films, who had given Dylan and Howard Alk uncredited editing assistance on Eat the Document.

Original 1968 single
Dylan first recorded the song in 1967 during the Basement Tapes sessions, but did not release a version for another three years. Meanwhile, the song was picked up and recorded in December 1967 by the British band Manfred Mann, who released it as a single in the US on 8 January 1968 under the title "Mighty Quinn". A UK single followed within a week. The Manfred Mann version reached No. 1 in the UK Singles Chart for the week of 14 February 1968, and remained there the following week. It also charted on the American Billboard Hot 100 chart, peaking at No. 10, and reached No. 4 in Cash Box. Cash Box called it a "funky-rock track" with "a trace of calypso [to] add zest to a tremendous effort."

Earth Band versions and 1978 single
Later groups to feature the eponymous keyboardist, Manfred Mann Chapter Three and Manfred Mann's Earth Band, played a dramatically different version of the song live. A live recording of part of the instrumental midsection was released on the 1975 Earth Band album Nightingales & Bombers under the title "As Above So Below". The band finally released a live version of the entire song on their 1978 album Watch. The single edit, released to commemorate ten years since the release of the 1968 Manfred Mann hit version, omitted the prog middle part and included a few new guitar solos. Since that time, the song has appeared on numerous live recordings, the middle part often including long solos and/or snippets of other songs. On the album Mann Alive, the "As Above So Below" middle part has been replaced with a riff from "Oh Well" and in recent years, the band often quoted "Smoke on the Water" as well before returning to the main hook. Thus, their live performances of "Mighty Quinn" often run over ten minutes. It's probably the song most often played by Manfred Mann's Earth Band and usually appears as the last song of the regular set or the last encore.

The Manfred Mann version is noted for Klaus Voormann's use of a distinctive flute part. This was replaced in the Earth Band version with Manfred playing it on an organ.

Dylan versions
A demo of 14 of the 1967 Basement Tapes recordings, including the first of two takes of "Quinn the Eskimo (The Mighty Quinn)", was produced in 1968, but was not intended for release. Recordings taken from the demos began appearing on bootlegs, starting with Great White Wonder, a double-album bootleg that came out in July 1969. The first official release of the song was in 1970 on Dylan's Self Portrait album, a live recording from 1969's Isle of Wight Festival. The live version (titled "The Mighty Quinn (Quinn the Eskimo)") was also selected in 1971 for the second compilation of Dylan's career, Bob Dylan's Greatest Hits Vol. II.

When Columbia finally released The Basement Tapes in 1975, the song was not among the double album's 24 songs (although an Inuk was represented on the album cover, alongside Dylan, The Band, and several other people meant to represent certain characters from some of Dylan's songs). However, ten years later in 1985, the second of the two 1967 takes appeared on the five-LP Biograph set (this time titled "Quinn the Eskimo (The Mighty Quinn)"). This version was used again on The Essential Bob Dylan, a compilation released in 2000. The first of the two 1967 takes was not officially released until 2014, on The Bootleg Series Vol. 11: The Basement Tapes Complete.

Variations in title of song
The first release of the song, the #1 hit by Manfred Mann, which topped the UK charts in February 1968, was released as "Mighty Quinn". When Dylan released a live version of this song on his album Self Portrait, in June 1970, the song was titled "The Mighty Quinn (Quinn the Eskimo)". This title was repeated when the same live recording was released on the album Bob Dylan's Greatest Hits, Vol. 2 in November 1971. When Dylan's original "basement tapes" recording of the song, backed by The Band and recorded in West Saugerties, New York in 1967, was eventually released as part of the compilation album Biograph, in 1985, it was entitled "Quinn the Eskimo (The Mighty Quinn)"; this is the title according to the official Bob Dylan website.

Grateful Dead version
Although they never played the song with Bob Dylan, the Grateful Dead started playing "The Mighty Quinn" in concert in 1985. It became a favorite encore among the Grateful Dead's fans, and remained so to the end of their career.

The Hollies version
In 1969, the Hollies put their own spin on "The Mighty Quinn", adding a prominent banjo accompaniment, a horn section, and a flute part in reference to Manfred Mann's version. This version was featured as the last song on the Hollies Sing Dylan album, and the group performed the song in concert in 1969 alongside "Blowin' in the Wind".

Julie London version
In 1969, Julie London sang a version of "The Mighty Quinn" on her final album Yummy, Yummy, Yummy. The album featured multiple covers of contemporary pop and rock songs with full orchestral arrangements, including "Louie Louie", "Light My Fire", and "The Mighty Quinn".

Leon Russell version
Leon Russell included a version in a medley with "I'll Take You There", "Idol With the Golden Head" and "He Lives (I Serve a Risen Savior)" that opens his album Leon Live.

Phish version
Phish has played "Quinn the Eskimo" in concert a total of 38 times throughout their career, having first performed in 1985, two years after their formation. The band performed the song at two of their festivals: Camp Oswego in 1999 and Superball IX in 2011. Covers of "Quinn the Eskimo" appear on two Phish live releases: the 1999 live box set Hampton Comes Alive and the 2010 live DVD Alpine Valley.

Noel Gallagher version
Noel Gallagher performed a live version on Thursday 10 June 2021 for the TV show Out of the Now on Sky Arts. The song closed a 12-song set performed at the Duke of York's Theatre in London's West End. Following that performance, the track was included twice on his 2022 tour of the U.K, before having it as a staple throughout his 2023 North American tour, and eventually keeping it within his setlists for the U.K and Europe legs of his 2023 'Council Skies' tour.

Other versions
Kris Kristofferson covered the song in 2012 for Chimes of Freedom, in honor of 50 years of Amnesty International. It has also been covered by Swiss rock groups Gotthard and Krokus. Jorn Lande covered this song as a hard rock rendition on his 2019 album Heavy Rock Radio II: Executing the Classics.

In popular culture
A 1989 film, The Mighty Quinn, takes its name from the song; Dylan makes reference to the movie in his 2004 autobiography Chronicles: Volume One:
 * On the way back to the house I passed the local movie theater on Prytania Street, where The Mighty Quinn was showing. Years earlier, I had written a song called 'The Mighty Quinn' which was a hit in England, and I wondered what the movie was about. Eventually, I'd sneak off and go there to see it. It was a mystery, suspense, Jamaican thriller with Denzel Washington as the Mighty Xavier Quinn a detective who solves crimes. Funny, that's just the way I imagined him when I wrote the song 'The Mighty Quinn,' Denzel Washington.

The movie featured a recording of the song performed in a reggae style by Michael Rose, Sheryl Lee Ralph, Cedella Marley and Sharon Marley Prendergast.

The Adult Swim show Joe Pera Talks with You uses "Mighty Quinn" as a season 2 opener in the episode "Joe Pera Talks with You About Beans". This was not the version performed by Manfred Mann, because in the show an 8th grade choir is singing the track. On the Adult Swim Podcast Joe states that it wasn't as expensive to get rights to the song because the children were singing.

The song is popular with supporters of the rugby union club Harlequins, also known as the Quins, and is often sung during matches and when Quins are attacking.

It was used as a walk-in song for the late Canadian wrestler John Quinn, who was billed as "The Mighty Quinn".

The Pittsburgh Penguins NHL hockey team has used a parody version of the song, called "The Mighty 'Guins," as a fight song.

The song was used as a minor plot point in Season 1, Episode 10 of Young Sheldon: "An Eagle Feather, a String Bean, and an Eskimo."

In Season 1, Episode 2 of Life on Mars (British TV series), a man in the police station being arrested can be heard singing the song.

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Talk:P2PTV

Commercial Applications
Are there any commercial applications, i.e. cable companies that actually want to distribute tv signals for cheap over the internet? Ant6n (talk) 19:47, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

 * nah. 31.147.222.36 (talk) 10:39, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Revert
This article needs to be reverted to the version from 16th May, 2007 due to overzealous deletion. In case there is a question about conflicts of interest (or any other issues), I would like to submit the following section of "External Links" for evaluation by this audience:

If there are objections to these links please post them here. Agupte 12:24, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Various Papers(Research & Practical) on P2P (GOBO)
 * Who runs that site? Who wrote those papers? Why do I have to download them to see the author? Seems like an inappropriate source of information for a supposedly unbiased article.
 * The Foundation for P2P Alternatives Wiki-based site with discussion of the philosophy behind peer-to-peer networks
 * Study: P2P effect on legal music sales "not statistically distinguishable from zero"
 * (Mis)understanding P2P

Changes
I have reorganized it slightly to list the original authors comments under disadvantages and have added a section called disadvantages. Still needs a lot of work, but perhaps now we can multiple points of view. Agupte 12:30, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Why are disadvantages listed before the advantages? That is very strange IMO. 130.60.155.152 08:26, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Linux P2PTV
Is anyone aware of a p2ptv application for linux? Boy that'd be neat... :) -faddat
 * The recently added SopCast does the trick. Btw, anybody aware of a p2ptv app for Mac OS? Peter S. 21:47, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

linux: they wouldn't even mention Democracyplayer? How's that?
 * umm, DemocracyPlayer isn't p2ptv is it? That's just an RSS aggregator. I now Joost will eventually release a Linux version, but is there anything now?Hendrixski 02:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Miro (the successor to Democracy) is P2PTV —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.81.18.30 (talk) 06:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

You could try PULSE, the P2PMyLive portal has an Ubuntu package Alef.ala (talk) 14:10, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

???
"In the long term this is not of interest of the end user, since increased network costs will be charged to end users."

This makes it NOT of interest? How's that?

Article needs a rewrite
Currently it's 100% POV. It's written, without proper sources, to present the views of professional broadcasters. Hdw 17:11, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree, this article is currently a ant-P2P rant with no nod to the Advantages of de-crentralised media - mainstream media propaganda.

Request for expansion
Heres some info taken from: http://digg.com/software/Watch_TV_for_free

P2P IPTV Motherlist This is the most complete list containing Opensource/freeware p2p streaming systems available on the internet today.

Peercast

Website - http://www.peercast.org/ License - GPL (Open Source) Language - C++ Operating systems - Windows, Linux and Mac OSX Supported multimedia - Windows Media video, NullSoft video and Theora video (Windows Media Video encoder is a free download from Microsoft.)

PeerCast.org was established in April 2002 as a non-profit site providing free P2P radio software. The aim of the project is to create an easy to use, simple and reliable software client that enables anyone to broadcast streaming media on the Internet without the need for expensive servers or bandwidth.Peercast maybe a oldest peer streaming opensource software.Now peercast have many fans using it for themself internet radio stations.If someone want to broadcast video contents,please visit http://www.scvi.net/ for more information.

Freecast

Website - http://www.freecast.org/index.html.en License - GPL (Open Source) Language - Java Operating systems - Any platform that supports the Java Runtime Environment Supported multimedia - Theora video

FreeCast is a Java application which allows peer-to-peer streaming. It makes possible a stream broadcast to a large number of listeners from a simple DSL connection.FreeCast allows you to listen a live stream over Internet by using smartly resources. You can listen a webradio or share an event by allowing other listeners to make the same thing in the best conditions.Freecast is good start point for newbies studying peer streaming with java.

ACTLab TV

Website - http://www.actlab.tv/ License - GPL (Open Source) Language - Java Operating system - Windows and Macintosh Supported multimedia - All video codecs supported by the VideoLan open source player

ACTLab TV project is possible from University of Texas at Austin.It must be promote from software ui,let's user friendly.

End System Multicast (ESM)

Website - http://esm.cs.cmu.edu/ License - Freesoftware Language - C++ Operating system - Windows and Macintosh Supported multimedia - All video codecs supported by the VideoLan open source player

End System Multicast (ESM) was started in 1999 as an exploration into using overlay networks for an IP multicast service. It has since evolved into a system used for broadcasting high quality video streams to large numbers of recipients.This project is from CMU,some ideas for where ESM can be used include academic lectures, conferences, sporting events, Internet radio, religious services, graduation ceremonies, and music recitals.Now it is running very well in CMU school area network.

Vatata

Website - http://www.vatata.com/index-en.htm License - Freesoftware Language - C/C++ Operating system - Windows and linux Supported multimedia - WMV/WMA/ASF

Vatata system is an end-to-end and large-scale solution for publishing, delivery and reception of streaming contents. This platform is an open system completely based on internet. Its grid and p2p technology guarantees the low-cost and clear delivery of content to millions of internet users. Any personal users or commercial users have full right to use Vatata for free.Vatata have relaesed broadcast server,client and tracker server,everyone can easily build their individual internet radio stations or TV stations through Vatata and the dreams of DJ and VJ will come true. Above version 1.5,Vatata begin to support broadcasting live streaming contents in LAN,self-orgernized p2p subnet in LAN. Vatata maybe a most user-friendly software among free p2p streaming systems.Vatata team called vatata --Poetic grid network of next-generation streaming media.If vatata open its source code from someday, it should be a next killer application like BitTorrent.

P2P-Radio

Website - http://p2p-radio.sourceforge.net/ License - GPL (Open Source) Language - Java Operating systems - Any platform that supports the Java Runtime Environment Supported multimedia - NullSoft video

P2P-Radio is a program that can distribute audio and video streams (MP3/Ogg Vorbis/NSV) over the Internet in a peer-to-peer manner. It's possible to create your own internet radio station with P2P-Radio.

Stream 2 Stream

Website - http://s2s.sourceforge.net/ License - GPL (Open Source) Language - Java Operating systems - Any platform that supports the Java Runtime Environment Supported multimedia - MP3, NSV, Ogg Vorbis

S2s is like P2P-Radio,now available.

NodeZilla

Website - http://www.nodezilla.net/ License - GPL (Open Source) Language - Java Operating systems - Any platform that supports the Java Runtime Environment Supported multimedia - NullSoft video, Theora video, Windows Media video and Real Video

Nodezilla is a secured, distributed and fault tolerant routing system,not only a p2p streaming network.

CloneCast

Website - http://clonecast. free .fr/ License - GPL (Open Source) Language - Java Operating systems - Any platform that supports the Java Runtime Environment Supported multimedia - mp3

CloneCast aims to distribute audio streams to a wide network of peers and servers, to reduce bandwidth usage of shoutcast servers.

Trevbus

Website - http://www.trevbus.org/ License - GPL (Open Source) Language - C++ Operating system - Linux Supported multimedia - Various codecs and formats

Trevbus should be left one eye for it.

Coolstreaming mediacenter

Website - http://www.coolstreaming.us/ License - freesoftware? Language - C++/? Operating system - windows Supported multimedia - ?

I have no way to learn this software background.Maybe some hacker do it in underground,I guessed.

Commercial p2p streaming systems

Streamer P2P

Website - http://www.streamerp2p.com/ Language - C++ Operating system - Windows Supported multimedia - NullSoft video, Theora video

Streamer is a p2p based Shoutcast/Icecast compatible streaming client/server application.

Cybersky-TV Tornado

Website - http://www.cybertelly.com/ License - freesoftware Language - C++/python Operating system - windows Supported multimedia - All video codecs supported by the VideoLan open source player

Cybersky TV is a highspeed P2P technology of broadcasting and watching TV over internet. Cybersky TV is a free alternative to Cable-TV or Satellite-TV. Instead sat-dishes or paying for cable-tv, you can use your broadband for signal transmission. Provider don`t need transponders or nearly impossible cable-tv access.It provide free client and brodacast server software.

Chaincast

Website - http://www.chaincast.com/ Language - C++ Operating system - Windows Supported multimedia - WMV/WMA

Maybe merge with StreamAudio,I don't know what happened.

Allcast

Website - http://www.allcast.com/ Language - C++ Operating system - Windows Supported multimedia - WMV/WMA

Have closed,now sale its Intellectual Property.

AbaCast

Website - http://www.abacast.com/ Language - C++ Operating system - Windows Supported multimedia - WMV/WMA/mp3

Abacast technology greatly improves the delivery of one-to-many real-time streaming media in any format. Abacast's Distributed Streaming Network technology makes it possible to stream the highest quality media to any size audiences with unparalleled scalability and bandwidth efficiencies.

RawFlow

Website - http://www.rawflow.com/ Language - C++ Operating system - Windows Supported multimedia - WMV/WMA/mp3/real media

RawFlow provide CDN solutions for rich media contents transmission.

Network Foundation Technologies

Website - http://www.nft-tv.com/ Language - C++ Operating system - Windows Supported multimedia - don't know

The NFT-TV system can utilize run-of-the-mill cable and DSL modem connections to support broadcasts of compressed video encoded at 320 by 240, 15 frames per second, streamed at a variety of bandwidths.

ShareCast

Website - http://www.scast.tv/scast/ Language - C++ Operating system - Windows Supported multimedia - Windows media

This is a company in Japan,I don't know Japanese,please visit its website yourself.

SyncCast

Website - http://www.synccast.com/ Language - C++ Operating system - Windows Supported multimedia - Windows media

SyncCast offers P2P streaming technologies as an option to our streaming clients.

Roxbeam

Website - http://www.roxbeam.com/ Language - C++ Operating system - Windows Supported multimedia - Windows media,Real media

Roxbeam is founded by Zhang xin-yan in Beijing,provide p2p streaming solutions.

PPlive

Website - http://www.pplive.com/ Language - C++ Operating system - Windows Supported multimedia - Windows media,Real media

PPlive is one of hottest p2p streaming company in China.Please visit its website yourself.

Pcast

Website - http://itv.mop.com/ Language - C++ Operating system - Windows Supported multimedia - Windows media

Mop is one of hottest bandwidth entertainment company in China.

PPStream

Website - http://www. ppstream.com/ Language - C++ Operating system - Windows Supported multimedia - Windows media,Real media

PPStream is one of hottest p2p streaming company in China.

Mysee

Website - http://www.mysee.com/ Language - C++ Operating system - Windows Supported multimedia - Windows media,Real media

Mysee is a company in China.

SopCast

Website - http://www.sopcast.org/ Language - C++ Operating system - Windows Supported multimedia - Windows media

SopCast is from FuDan university in China.

TVants

Website - http://www.tvants.com/ Language - C++ Operating system - Windows Supported multimedia - Windows media

TVants is from China.

 * Sweet. Thanks for posting that.  i tried out the first few from the list, and I'll try a few more.  Looks like some of these have potential, and some don't.  As for the article... yeah, it needs a rewrite and an expanded scope. Hendrixski`

SopCast
Why is this program constantly removed from this page? The program is a legitimate P2PTV program. The user opens the program, connects a channel and is almost instantly connected to a P2P world of users watching the same channel, uploading and downloading at the same time. I don't need to explain the program much further, but it is a legitimate P2PTV program and deserves to be on this page. Cableguytk 05:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

What's being listed?
After the line Many P2PTV applications make use of the BitTorrent technology. a bulleted list begins, but there doesn't seem to be any introductory statement followed by a colon to explain what's being listed. It's like something was deleted there. --70.234.45.23 05:03, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Requested move 5 July 2016

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Unopposed request  Event horizon51  (talk) 01:45, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

P2PTV → Peer-to-Peer Assisted Streaming Solution – The current name of the article is not used by any of the commercial solutions providing P2P solutions for broadcasters (like peer5.com, viblast.com or streamroot.io) or by any of the web televisions using P2P such as btlive.tv the BitTorrent web television powered by P2P. Also P2PTV is not a proper name since the article also embraces the technology of P2P streaming itself and not only the services of WebTV using P2P. Many claims for rewriting the article have been made in the talks part and such a rewriting can only be made with a new title which delimits well the scope of the article Vladimircabanisstreamroot (talk) 17:28, 5 July 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. — Music1201  talk  19:59, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

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OpenGameBasic
nn and unfinished software project vanity. — brighterorange  (talk) 22:10, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No notability established. Sjakkalle (Check!)  07:46, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * delete nn Pete.Hurd 23:15, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Bio Miracle Bokutte Upa

Other appearances -> usuless topic
This section should not be implemented since the other appearances are not of the game but of the main character. If someone wants to talk about the main character "upa", or his sister, or other games or whatever, then this person has to make another article. This page is only about the game "bio miracle boutte upa" and NOT about Upa itself. Bragador 01:05, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Making an Upa page would be a waste, it would only end up being merged with this article. The Wai Wai World 2 mention is very necessary since not only Upa appears in it, but two stages based on Bio Miracle Bokette Upa. And the small mention of Upa (w/ Rupa) in the 2 Parodius games isn't going to hurt anything being mentioned on this page. Upa is a part of this game, and mentioning something from this game being in another doesn't make it out of place.Buzda 02:37, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree, this is not how an encyclopedia works. FOr exemple, you will not see a Mario section in the article on Super Mario 64. If somebody want information on Bio Miracle Bokutte Upa, they are not interested in other games that may have had the same hero in them. What you could do though is make a wai wai world 2 page and mention that the character Upa is from Bio Miracle BOkutte Upa. Or just make an article on Upa. If you really think it would be pointless then it means the information is pointless and not that important. Also since Upa appears in all of these games, you section "other appearances" could be on these pages too since your information is not directly linked to the game, but to the character. Bragador 12:46, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I had an idea... you could make a section if it wasn't about the character "Upa". The thing is, this article is really about the game itself, not the characters. But if you create a section on spin offs and sequels, then that could be acceptable. Bragador 17:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Flags in front of release dates
Ok so we need to find a code to fix the problem (text is going on the next line). either we A) Find a code B) Remove the flags since the infobox consensus is NOT to put flags anyway (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infobox#Computer_and_video_games ) C)Change the drawing of the flag so it includes a black border Bragador 19:33, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It has been fixed Bragador 21:21, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Trivia section
I don't really like that section. The information is good though but wikipedians are discouraged from using "trivias" since this is an encyclopedia. I sugget we either change it to "music" and put a detailed section on the music of the game... or we simply add the information in the "game description" section Bragador 21:23, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I generally just use trivia for small factoids, which we dont have an established section. Theres trivia in a lot of gaming articles. Technically this game itself is trivial for most north american gamers. --Larsinio 21:29, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah I know, I'm not "against" the section. Like I said it's discouraged but not illegal. It's just that the information could easily be inserted in the "game information" section in my humble opinion but if you REALLY REAAAAAALLY want a trivia section I'm not going to oppose that... but add other trivia bits because it looks a bit weird hehe Bragador 21:38, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Comparisons with other games
I removed the graphical comparisons simply because the readers can see a picture from the game and make their own judgment. Saying it was akin to the graphics of kirby ans super mario bros was a subjective judgment which should not be included in an encyclopedia. Also the reference to doki doki panic health system, though accurate, was simply not useful to help the reader understand the principle. Also note that other games used the same system which makes the comparison less useful (especially since doki doki panic is an obscure game) Bragador 21:34, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

What does the game's title translate to?
Any idea? Buzda 20:10, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think its "Bio Miracle Baby Upa" --Larsinio 20:26, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It is indeed Bio Miracle Baby Upa Bragador 23:20, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I figured that much. I guess "Bio Miracle" means "Bio Miracle". I guess that just sounds crappy translated to English. Buzda 21:06, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Japanese think english words are "cool" and "exotic" so they like to use them a lot. Also, they have been know to name many tv shows and video games using tons of adjectives. So forthem, Bio miracle sounds "cool". Of course you probably know that "bio miracle" is used has "biological miracle". I'm saying that just in case... Bragador 23:28, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

We should change the title screen pic...
And use the one from the original FDS release. Buzda 23:40, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree, using the most recent version shows it was released on both dates. In this way, I feel it is better. Bragador 03:34, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Hurricane Diana

Image
An image is needed to go in the infobox. Jdorje 01:19, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Got it. Hurricanehink 15:33, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Todo
More impact. Jdorje 21:18, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

 * The article has not a single source! Jdorje 01:54, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Well, that sounds like a good candidate for a re-do. Hurricanehink 02:06, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Yep, I figured if I knocked it down to stub it would show up on your radar ;-). Jdorje 02:19, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks, I guess, but damn! I just tried a search, and there is nothing on this storm. Outside of the NHC report, there's next to no mention anywhere on the web. This article might be doomed to forever low-quality for an impact section. I expected something to be in the ReliefWeb Website, but nothing! There are little bits of information here and there, like Diana causing rainfall or encountering warm water temperatures, but there is not enough for an impact section. I'll try doing some more research another time, but this storm might be doomed. Hurricanehink 03:01, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Never fear, Storm05 is here!. Ive found a better Montly Weather Review Storm05 16:38, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

That link gives me nothing. — jdorje (talk) 17:20, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

 * No! Storm05, are you positive the link is right? That is exactly what is needed for the 1990 Atlantic hurricane season. Hurricanehink 17:23, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Nevermind. Awesome find Storm05! It worked. I'll redo this article later. Hurricanehink 19:28, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Yeah, it works now. BTW, at Monthly Weather Review there are links to archives of *all* the MWR issues (by month).  The NHC only includes excerpts from each year of articles they deem applicable (included as part of the re-analysis).  If you find an article they've left out, you might want to contact them about it. — jdorje (talk) 20:16, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Damn, sooo little online. Here's a list of the 1990 Flood Archive, which might help a little... a very little. Hurricanehink 00:46, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Good news. I found a Spanish site (luckily I know Spanish fairly well), and I got a damage total and a death total. I found some more specifics, but there is absolutely nothing else out there on this storm. Does that qualify it for FA status by default? LOL, j/k, but this is one storm that is doomed in terms of information. Hurricanehink 04:02, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Same problem with most Mexican storms a bit back in the past, sources are few and far between... but I am a native speaker, so I can translate a few things for this article. Tito xd (?!? - help us) 03:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I stole what I could and ran! You could mention how the sea turtles were affected from this site, or keep saying what's already written of what's here, but I don't think there's anything else out there. You can check yourself though, seeing as you're native. You might catch something I missed. Hurricanehink 03:35, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. 68.22.252.165 06:46, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I have upgraded this to B-Class (for now). Storm05 15:39, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I would be fine reviewing this again, if you want, but would you mind addressing the comments from the first GAN? That way I (or anyone else) could see what progress has been made. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 22:06, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Lacking info
This article is greatly lacking in preparations, impact and aftermath. To expand these sections, look through news reports, situations reports, disaster databases and ReliefWeb. I would suggest withdrawing this article from GAN and work on expanding the article before revisiting GAN. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:36, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you not read the discussion before this? There is really no other new reports, situation reports, disaster databases, and there is nothing at all of ReliefWeb. Even back then nearly 5 years ago it was nearly at its maximum content. Let me search Google News, I going to update the article a little bit, because its going to take probably at least a month for someone to be willing to assess the article.--12george1 (talk) 01:50, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can get from a news archive when the holiday break is over, since I can only access it from school. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 06:42, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * BTW, I was gone on the holiday break, but I checked Google News before I left and there was almost nothing else out there on Diana.--12george1 (talk) 03:02, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I beg to differ. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:41, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Pre-GA review review

 * There really seems to be info missing. Compare Diana with Hurricane Gert (1993), which caused less deaths and only did slightly more damage. Do some Google book and Google scholar searches. For that matter, get sources from Lexis Nexis, and find Texas impact.
 * "Due to the interaction with land" - just "Due to land interaction"
 * "before losing all tropical characteristics" - is this true? The remnants had some tropical characteristics, such as convection and winds, I'm assuming. Why not just say when the surface circulation dissipated here?
 * You don't mention non-Mexico effects outside of the lede.
 * "that emerged into the Atlantic from the west coast of Africa on July 27" --> "that exited western Africa into the Atlantic on July 27".
 * "assigned the system to the name Diana" - switch this around (assigned the name Diana to the system)
 * Mention SSHS in the MH
 * "from a low-end category 2 hurricane immediately to a strong tropical storm just within four hours later "
 * "Nine hours after all warnings were along the Yucatán Peninsula" - missing word?
 * "and a hurricane watch was issued for Tuxpan to Boca de Jesus Maria; a hurricane watch notes" - find a way to remove two close usages of "hurricane watch"
 * "the National Hurricane Center anticipated on hurricane conditions" - remove the "on". This is the third review of the article that has mentioned this.
 * Was there any impact in Belize?
 * "On the offshore island of Cozumel" - I'd specify where, since Mexico is a big country
 * "While crossing over the Yucatán Peninsula, Mérida reported" - so Mérida crossed over the Yucatán peninsula?
 * "37 and 45 mph (59.5 and 72.4 km/h)"
 * "according to the National Weather Service" - the US NWS?
 * Get clarity on the death/damage total in MX.
 * As I asked in the first GA review, "What does it mean that 75,000 people were affected?"
 * - add this for more CA impact. It's sad that there's more info on California than Belize.

--♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:12, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Hurricane Diana vs Gert
These two hurricanes were Category 2. Both killed over 100 people; both also had winds of a hundred miles per hour. If Diana was retired, Gert should have also been retired. Angela Maureen (talk) 06:10, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Image..
The image in Gert and Diana are the same. Which one is which, because some readers will get confused by this. which is which? Cyclone  Toby  contribs 04:19, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * They're similar for sure, but they're not identical. They both happened to hit the same place around the same intensity, so naturally they look similar. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:23, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

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Cinco

Cinco is Spanish and Portuguese for 'five', and may refer to:

Places

 * Cinco (crater), a crater on the Moon
 * Cinco Ranch, Texas, United States
 * Cinco, West Virginia, United States

Others

 * Cinco (film), a 2010 Filipino psychological horror film
 * Cinco, a fictional company on the Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job! television series
 * Cinco, a 2017 comedy special by Jim Gaffigan

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Xenon (video game)

Xenon is a 1988 vertical scrolling shooter video game, the first developed by The Bitmap Brothers, and published by Melbourne House which was then owned by Mastertronic. It was featured as a play-by-phone game on the Saturday-morning kids' show Get Fresh.

Xenon was followed in 1989 by Xenon 2: Megablast.

Description
According to the game's instruction manual, the player assumes the role of Darrian, a future space pilot in the Federation, currently at war with a mysterious and violent alien species called the Xenites that has lasted a decade. In response to a mayday transmission from Captain Xod following an attack on his trading fleet, Darrian is forced to travel through Xenite-occupied territory in order to support.

Unlike most vertically scrolling shooters, the player craft has two modes, a flying plane and a ground tank. The transition between crafts can be initiated at almost any time during play (except during the mid- and end-of-level boss sections, as well as certain levels where a certain mode is forced), and the mode chosen depends on the nature of the threat the player faces. Destroying some enemies released power-ups the player could catch to enhance their ship.

Ports
Originally released for the Atari ST, Xenon was quickly ported to other platforms: the Amiga, Amstrad CPC, Commodore 64, DOS, MSX and ZX Spectrum. An arcade machine version of the game was also released through Mastertronic's Arcadia division which ran on Commodore Amiga hardware.

Reception
Xenon was almost universally well-received on launch, with reviewers from magazines covering a range of platforms all scoring the game very highly. Only German magazine Power Play bucked the trend, awarding it a score of 4.5 out of 10.

Writing in New Computer Express about the 1991 budget re-release, Stuart Campbell stated that although the graphics were "gorgeous" and had "never really been seen before", the gameplay was "simply tedious" and the game was the first to "turn 'style-over-content' into an artform".

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Sammy Adjei

Samuel Adjei (born 1 September 1980) is a Ghanaian former professional footballer who played as a goalkeeper.

Career
Adjei was born in Accra, Ghana on 1st September 1980. He was transferred from Accra-based club Hearts of Oak to Club Africain for a reported $150,000 on 15 September 2005. On 29 November 2008, he returned to Hearts of Oak for a second spell with the club. He agreed to return to Hearts Of Oak SC on a one-year contract in order to convince then national team coach Milovan Rajevac to include him in the national side. In July 2009, he trialled with South African club Maritzburg United.

International career
Adjei was the first-choice goalkeeper for the national side until 2006, when Richard Kingson rose to prominence. Adjei was named in Ghana's squad for the 2006 African Cup of Nations in Egypt and 2006 World Cup squad on 13 May 2006. Adjei made one appearance on the tournament, as a substitute, when the first choice goalkeeper Richard Kingson was taken off with an injury.

On 24 March 2007, Adjei manned the post for Ghana against Austria in a FIFA International friendly in Graz. He was however injured in a collision with an Austrian striker in the first half and was taken to the hospital. Kingson was brought on to replace him. He was again called up to join the Ghana national team in the 2008 Africa Cup of Nations as the second choice goal keeper, after which he retired from international football. However he received a recall for Ghana's Africa Cup of Nations qualifying match against Congo.

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Gradski Vrt Stadium

Gradski vrt Stadium (Stadion Gradski vrt) is a multi-use stadium in Osijek, Croatia. It is located in the Gradski vrt neighbourhood in Novi grad city district. With a capacity of 18,856, it has been best known as the home ground of Croatian football club NK Osijek.

History
Construction started in 1949, but works were stopped several times. The first match played on the ground of Gradski Vrt was played between NK Osijek and FK Sloboda Tuzla on 7 September 1958. In 1980, the stadium was officially opened.

In 1982, the record of stadium attendance was broken, on the football match between NK Osijek and Dinamo Zagreb. At that match, there were 40,000 attendants. The result was 1–2.

In 1998 seats and reflectors were installed. In 2005, the stadium was renovated. Under the west stand, VIP rooms were set and the lodge was rearranged, adding 1,000 new seats. The athletics track was reconstructed, repainted from red to blue. After this renovation, the stadium has fulfilled UEFA's stadium criteria. In the same year, the stadium was a part of Croatia and Hungary's failed bid for the 2012 European Football Championship. At that time a project of a new stadium with a larger capacity was presented.

In 2010, the stadium was again repaired: the pitch was relaid, fences were painted and the seats were numbered. The reason was a friendly match between Croatia and Wales, which was held on 23 May that year.

In May 2016, the stadium hosted the Croatian Cup final.

Future
In April 2018, NK Osijek president Ivan Meštrović released plans for a new stadium for the club. A new state of the art stadium will be built at the Pampas neighbourhood in Osijek as part of the new NK Osijek training centre. The capacity of the new stadium will be 13,000, with all of the seats covered. The stadium will be UEFA category four and is supposed to be finished in Autumn 2022. During the stadium construction, NK Osijek will play their home games at the current stadium, which is in the future going to be used as the main stadium for the NK Osijek B squad.

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Talk:Hurricane Cesar–Douglas

Todo
Good storm history, but where's the impact? Needs references. Jdorje 07:09, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The impact was hiding all over the internet. I caught it though. ;) Is the impact section better? Hurricanehink 22:33, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but it needs a "summary": maybe a section at the top giving a quick overview. Jdorje 22:39, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * At the top of the impact section that is (before the colombia subsection). Jdorje 22:39, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * How's that? Hurricanehink 23:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Todo2
The storm history needs references - even if it all comes from the TCR (the TCR isn't in the refs yet). Also should the storm history structure be flattened? Jdorje 23:39, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually this is a bit more important than normal because there are 2 TCRs. Jdorje 23:41, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Done and done. Everything I got was from the TCR's. Hurricanehink 00:07, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

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Might was a San Francisco-based magazine that existed between 1994 and 1997.

History and profile
Might was co-founded in 1994 by David Moodie, Marny Requa and Dave Eggers, who went on to describe the magazine's rise and fall in his bestselling memoir A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius. The first issue appeared in the spring of 1994. With its name meant to suggest both "power" and "possibility," the magazine might be summarized as an effort by twentysomethings to say something instead of nothing. Might went out of business in July 1997, but back issues are still available through the Website of Eggers's writing organization, 826 Valencia.

Featured topics

 * 1) Double Fabulous Know-it-all Issue
 * 2) For the Love of Cheese
 * 3) Intimacy, AIDS, and the Moment
 * 4) Is This Local TV News or Is This Satan's Parlor?
 * 5) Adam Rich
 * 6) Raising Hell
 * 7) Vindicated at Last
 * 8) The Millennium Issue
 * 9) Spring Wedding Spectacular
 * 10) Are Black People Cooler Than White People?

The editors/writers/publishers of Might did not take themselves or the world too seriously. Entire issues poked fun at someone or another, focusing mainly on celebrities and has-beens and actors who have been in TV commercials that no one has seen before. According to A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius, one such topic considered by editors was a memorial to Crispin Glover. After initially accepting to participate, Glover backed out at the last minute, citing concerns that he would not be able to let his family know he had not actually died. The Might editorial staff instead got former Eight Is Enough actor Adam Rich to go along with the scheme, fabricating a story that Rich had been murdered.

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Talk:Leonard Feeney

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Please dont substitute a non Wiki article over this article as it sits, instead help work to make this article better. Dominick 22:15, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Suggestions for Improvements
Why not: add a section on Feeney's extensive anti-semitic writings, and link to other wiki articles on the contemporary history of anti-semitism in the US and in the Catholic Church

 * The words “Feeneyite” and “Feeneyism” are very derogatory words used to label people. Labeling people has a very sinister end and final resolution.  Unless you intend to exterminate/murder us, then may I suggest that you target a different group to hate?  04-26-2008.

To parts could be added to the end - Last End & Feeneyites.

The section "Last End" should discuss the controversy over and circumstances of Feeney's reconciliation.

A Feeneyite has informed me that Bishop Reilly of Worcester has regularized the faction of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary founded by Fr. Feeney residing at 282 Still River Rd, Still River, MA. This needs to be verified.

The section "Feeneyites" should record the division among the Feeneyites into some three or four autocephalous factions (Still River, Richmond, NH; Vienna, OH and Monrovia, CA), and reasons for their disagreements. Alternatively, Feeneyite should be erected into a separate page.

There is also need to link him to other subjects and persons within Wikipedia with a "See Also" tag. And the "External Links" can be broadened and subdivided into pro-, anti- and neutral websites / pages.

WikiSceptic 15:16, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Nice work so far! Dominick (ŤαĿĶ) 17:59, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

rv vandalism by 24.60.48.111
"But, of course this is self-contradictory and obviously false." Comments like that do not belong in an encyclopedia article. Try again to make your edits NPOV. JG of Borg 05:50, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

objectivity
It would seem the article lacks the objectivity an encyclopaedia should. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.161.175.138 (talk • contribs) 01:07, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

added npov tag, the fact that it's missing anything after the schism leaves it unbalanced--Samuel J. Howard 03:54, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

The article lacks objectivity in that the responses from Father Feeney to his summons to Rome were (at least) arguably allowable (by Canon Law) explanations for disobedience. The page should quote the context and purpose of his letters as acceptable replies to the authority of the Church when dealing with refusal of obedience based upon dictates of conscience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.188.67.24 (talk • contribs) 06:24, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

CORRECTION: Fr. Feeney was not excommunicated by His Holiness, Pope Pius XII. This is false. Archbishop Cushing of Boston, MA did so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.160.221.168 (talk • contribs) 14:29, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Plagiarism
This article plagiarizes the article written by sedevacantist group leader Bishop Clarence Kelley, of the SSPV. The original can be found here: http://www.ihm-church.org/PDF/003_The%20Case%20of%20Fr.%20Leonard%20Feeney.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.9.212.210 (talk • contribs) 02:37, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I purged the copyvio. Garion96 (talk) 14:07, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Possible Amendments
The following parts of the article need clarification:

"The doctrine Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus, (hereafter abbreviated EENS), thus became the controversial center of Fr. Feeney's doctrines. In time, his name was so closely associated with it that many came to believe that his eventual excommunication was due to his rigid version of this doctrine, which is incorrect. As we have already pointed out, even The New York Times reported that Fr. Feeney was 'excommunicated... for preaching that there was no salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church.'"

The author of this passage writes that Father Feeney was NOT excommunicated for his teaching EENS, but then quotes a New York Times article saying he WAS excommunicated for that reason. If the author meant, in the first part, that Father Feeney was excommunicated for disobedience and not for his teaching of EENS, then the Times quotation contradicts the author's meaning.

Then there is this sentence under the headline "Communal Raising of Children":

"The decision to raise the children communally was the solution to that problem, it is what lay behind the decision."

This sentence will need to be re-written. Perhaps the meaning was, "The decision to raise the children communally was not the problem, it was what lay behind the decision." Even if this were the meaning, it is still not clear from the context of the article why it is relevant.Dylan23 18:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Father Feeney was ordered by Cardinal Richard Cushing to stop teaching that non-Catholics were automatically damned. Feeney refused to do so.  Thus, both statements are true:  Feeney was excommunicated for disobedience and for teaching EENS. Jhobson1 (talk) 12:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Poverty center article
I suggest that people read the Article that is contained in the link to the Poverty Center. It is hardly an example of good reporting and is amazingly factually inacurate. Not that I or anyone that I know agrees with this group talked about but if Wiki is supposed to be NPOV then putting up links to to crazy sites should not be a goal. I can post a thousand links to articles that written by people who agree with this group if that is all it takes. The article I am talking about specifically mentions a "former" catholic complaining. Well let me see, a Former Catholic has no room to complain about this group or Catholics in general. They are like people who chop their own arms off and then go around insulting everyone who still has arms. Also, the idea put forth in the article that the group is "anti-semetic" I just don't see as being justified unless there is more information that they are not giving us. Oposing Jews on Religious matters is the obligation of every Catholic, just as we are bound by duty to opose Athiest, Protestants, or Muslims. If Catholics really believe that we have the ONE TRUE FAITH then obviously we would want to opose any FALSE Faith. The article doesn't say that this group is advocating violence against Jews or racist actions against Jews or any kind of Discrimination against Jews. In fact, this group worships a JEWISH MAN as GOD. What they opose is Jews not accepting their own Savior. This is the official position of the Catholic Church even in the Second Vatican Council. And in the article, what proof is mentioned that this group is anti-semetic; the fact that a "former" Catholic thinks so.

I say remove that part of the article. Unless someone can give me a very good reason to keep it up then I myself will take it down even though I am not a member of this community. Keep in mind, if you do convince me to keep it up, I will begin to add links to sites that do accuratly and factually report about this group and I will amend the article as nessicary to show that this group and Catholics in general are not now, nor have we ever been Anti-Semetic. This charge is so ludicrous that it almost makes me laugh until another bomb goes off outside a Church because of this lie. Catholics speak a Semetic Language called SYRIAC. The Arabs and Jews want to take our Semetic language away from us and expell us from the Middle east. So then who is really being Anti-Semetic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.94.29.200 (talk) 23:05, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

fatherfeeney.org
I've removed fatherfeeney.org from the External links. Although its large collection of Feeney writings could be a valuable resource, there are two serious problems:
 * Feeney's writings are presented within the framework of a hate site. See Is there a Feeneyite-Neo-Nazi/White-Supremacist Connection?.
 * While opponents of Feeney argue that he was an extremist and an anti-Semite, linking to a site that presents his writings in that context could be seen as POV or a devious way to present such a view.
 * No way to verify whether the site presents all Feeney's writings or just those which agree with its own agenda.
 * copyright: who owns the copyright to his writings and have they given the site permission to pubish them online? The site has seems deliberately anonymous and undocumented. WP:EXT
 * jnestorius(talk) 19:39, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Who replaced Fr. Feeney in Harvard
heard that Feeney was replaced by an Opus Dei priest... Bill Poras something like that... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.241.61 (talk) 09:12, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Needed: pre-1949 material
The article is unbalanced by the focus on offensive conspiracist excerpts from The Point. I have tried to add more material about the Feeney phenomenon unrelated to anti-Semitism (that this was a factor is undeniable, and so I have left in representative quotations). The precedent seen with Richard Williamson is that such articles should not degenerate into a "greatest hits" of the subject's bigotry.

Given Feeney's high profile in the American Church before he fell from favour, some material on his earlier publications/reputation/career would be useful. I imagine there must be relevant material available on one of the various St Benedict's websites. 13afuse (talk) 09:56, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

when did Fr Feeney found the Slaves?
This article says after his excommunication which was in 1953. The site for the Slaves says 1949 (Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary)--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 01:21, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

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incorrect statement of Feeney's doctrine
"He took the position that baptism of blood and baptism of desire are unavailing and that therefore no non-Catholics will be saved" connects two unrelated things he taught. He taught that according to the Church, prior to the discovery of the New World, the Catholic Church taught that to be saved you absolutely needed to be baptized and submit to the Roman Pontiff (the Pope of the Church). When they realized there were whole peoples who had been in the Americas the whole time whom they'd never preached to, many in the Catholic Church softened the teaching. But if you want the whole teaching as it was defined in the Council of Florence (Catholics believe Councils are infallible):

> It firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart “into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels” [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.

It's pretty clear, from the outside, that the Church changed the teaching in an unofficial capacity (they couldn't officially change it because the thing I posted above was fully authoritative), and then when Feeney wouldn't play along, his Jesuit superiors and many in Rome engaged in a smear campaign. He was excommunicated for failing to appear for trial in Rome. He was told to stop teaching what he was teaching, but no one in authority dared to call him a heretic, because he was just repeating a pretty clear proclamation of the Church that outside its bounds, no one can be saved.

Now, the fact that he disbelieved in baptisms of desire and blood would not be the cause of non-catholics not being saved. The cause of non-Catholics not being saved is committing mortal sin. According to the Church, Baptism (and Confession if you sin mortally after baptism) clears out your mortal sins. Now, according to the Council of Trent (which is also authoritative for Catholic doctrine) a person who vows to be baptized, such as someone studying to become Catholic, can be freed from his mortal sins by that vow (it actually says he can be "justified," more precisely). This is mentioned very briefly in the Council documents. In other parts of the Council decrees, it affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. THIS is where Father Feeney's particular ideas get interesting, which I think should be included in the article about him. Feeney says that no one can get to heaven without the Sacramental Baptism of water, while affirming Trent that a catechumen (person preparing for baptism) who dies before baptism couldn't go to hell because he is justified by his vow to be baptized. He sees there is a contradiction here, since the catechumen can't go to hell because he is justified, but he can't go to heaven, because he does not have the character that baptism imprints on a soul. Therefore, he concludes, such people DO NOT EXIST. He concludes that those who are justified by their vow to get baptized, will get baptized. He also concludes that anyone who made the vow and died without being baptized made the vow invalidly, because if they had been justified by the vow, then God would have led them to sacramental baptism.

Thus, the interesting thesis of Fr. Feeney is that Baptism of Desire never occurs in real life because if it did, it would glitch the system, and God has enough power to prevent that from happening. Likewise, he concluded that a baptism of blood is a sort of pious legend which was, indeed, never taught in a dogmatic pronouncement like the one above. He asserts that a catechumen who would not allow himself to be martyred without procuring a baptism (it's like a ten second ordeal to get baptized if you're about to die), such that a "baptism of blood" would only work IF the catechumen had received sacramental baptism.

THESE are the reasons Feeney is an interesting figure in Catholicism. When his excommunication was lifted, he was not instructed to recant anything. This shows that, in the eyes of the Pope (the one who de-excommunicated him), he did not hold to any heretical beliefs. Therefore Feeneyism is not a Catholic heresy, but a doctrine that is acceptable for a Catholic to believe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:5CD:C002:5B7F:24CC:9383:B998:2B26 (talk) 03:31, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Please see baptismofdesire.com King Pius (talk) 03:32, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Source selection
A large portion of the references on this page, both cited and those that are missing, come from a book written by someone who was affiliated with the order that Leonard Feeney founded. Thomas Mary Sennot was a Brother in the M.I.C.M.. The book appears to have been written with an angle to defend Fr. Feeney, but is presented here as being from an objective, neutral source. This article ought to be reworked and the non NPOV content should be either removed or moved to a new section that properly frames it as being from his defenders. --Jack17212 (talk) 22:45, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

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The Famine
But was it deliberate? I won't deny that the laissaiz fair attitude of the British made matters worse. But to say it was deliberate implies that this was a planned event, when in fact it was simply a man-made disaster waiting to happen turned into a catastrapohe by nature. The roots of the Famine go far deeper than you would like to think, and neither were all British people the villians you would like them to be. Finally, what's with this "Off my island" line? Fergananim 00:24, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, it was a deliberate act to keep food from the Irish after the famine hit. See my comments concerning had this happened in London, or anywhere else in England. The people would have been fed. The Irish were intentionally starved, just like the Turks killed Armenians, and the Nazi's to Poles and Jewish. The get off my island line speaks for itself. Celtic1

Actually, it dos'nt. It just sounds rude and thick, simply because someone else expressed a view you do not agree with. And as regards something like this happening in England, you're wrong; they did'nt need to distribute food to the poor and needy. That's what transportation to New South Wales was for. If you don't think that the English elite treated their own lower classes as bad as they did us, you don't know much English - or British - history. And as regards your username, I hope you know that the Irish were not Celts. Cheers.Fergananim 00:29, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

I found your idiocy charming -- next time you decide to go with ad hominems such as calling me stupid, "Thick", then you might want to check your spelling genius. "dos'nt"... yes, I am the rude and thick one. haha Thanks for the laugh wee one.

Don't use the term "us", as we are not in any way related. As for your bizarre logic concerning New South Wales -- you've proved my point that the English elite would not allow their own to starve! Thanks for that. The English government allowed many of the English to move to their colonies, and provided ships in order help in this endeavor. Their are no tales of coffin ships of English settlers to New South Wales are there? The Irish were left to die in Ireland like fleas.

The Irish are not Celts, that's a good one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts

I bet you are basing this on the Trinity College genetecists that said there was no widespread Celt invasion 2,500 years ago. Wow... That ignorance of yours is astounding. Let's repeat, off my island! Celtic1

Why are you full of such self-loathing?

It is clear that you hate being Irish; as your views on the deliberate genocide against the Irish people are illustrative of how subservient you are to foreign invaders. Why not just get it over with and leave the nation? Celtic1

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I don't understand, how is retrieving that gem of a comment make your untenable position any better? Celtic1

A true philanthropist issues a politically correct refutation of a playground tormentor
Well ... where to start? First of all, if you can refute any of what I have said, please let me hear it. Questioning my abilities is fine for the playground but it don't cut the mustard here.

Neither did I call you thick. I called your comments rude and thick.

There was no Celtic invasion, either 2,500 years ago or at any other date. Forget genetics for a moment, archaeologiests have being saying this for years. There simply is no evidence for it. There is no denying that there was small migrations and movements of peoples over the years (the Scots, Deisi and Attacotti into Britain, the Brigantes, Dommainn, Belgae and Menapii into Britain and Ireland. But an invasion? Sorry mate, it just does not seem to have occoured.

Thanks for mentioning the Celts link, as its useful and help proves my points:

 * 1 - "Today, "Celtic" is often used to describe the people and respective cultures and languages of several ethnic groups known as Modern Celts in Ireland, Wales, Scotland, Cornwall ... Man ... Brittany ... Minho ... Galicia ..."'

Note the use of the word today, and the term Modern Celts. This indicates that this is something that is of modern provenence, and not historical. As I'm sure you know, we never once in our history referred to ourselves as Celts. The association came about because Irish was shown to be a member of the same language family as the Celts, and we did indeed share a very similar culture. But we were not Celts.

I'll put it this way. You're writing in English; does that mean you are of Anglo-Saxon descent?

 * 2 - "... who are claimed to share many of the same common traits in their cultures and/or languages as the original Celts but whose ancestors in ancient times were not necessarily considered related to them by outsiders."

The original Celtic nations inhabited much of what is now France, Belgium, western Germany, Switzerland, western Austria, and northern Italy. The Romans in the years just prior to the successful invasion of Britain refer to Britain and Ireland specificly as being beyond the lands of the Celts. Like ourselves, our cousions over in Britain claimed to be indiginious, not recent invaders. And once again, never in our history as a Gaelic (not Celtic) civilization did we ever claim to be Celts.

 * 3 - "(Tribes or nations, such as the Belgae, Atrebates, Menapii, and Parisii, from mainland Celtic regions, including Gaul and Belgium, are recorded as having established presences in Great Britain and may have reached Ireland. Some archaeologists suggest, however, that the continuity in the British archaeological record is such that the numbers involved must have been small.)"

Now as we have seen, there were tribes or nations who we could call Celts (or of Celtic descent) living in Ireland, such as the Brigantes, Dommainn, Belgae and Menapii (in fact the Belgae and Dommainn were two different names for the same people), all in the Leinster/north Munster region. But as the archaeological evidence has shown, the numbers were pretty small. Think of it less than a full-scale invasion with a total population replacement, to more like a change of rulers, with one set of kings being replaced by others. Pretty much the same thing that happened with the Vikings and Normans, who, for all the trouble they caused, were both in time pushed back to the margins of the island and have left only a fairly small genetic trace on the island's population.

So, if anything, its you Celts who should be getting "off my island". After all, we were here first. Go back, read the Celts article, especially the paragraph Development of the term "Celt", and understand the discussion before putting your foot in your mouth.

Now, if you can actually rebut what I have written, fine. That's what wikipedia is all about. Spreading knowledge. Not ignorance, bigotry or racisim. I don't know where you are coming from with all this stuff about self-loathing and ignorance; on the contrary, I think I've demonstrated the reverse of the latter and no concievable trace of the former. Deal with the world as it is, not as you'd like it to be. Saves a lot of tears, believe me. Slan go bfhiol! Fergananim 11:36, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

What abilities wee one? I am off on holiday soon, so will not have time to reply to your mendacious claims above. Again, please take the next Ryanair flight and join your beloved BNP comrades. Slan! Celtic1

Not claims - facts. And you not being able to refute a single one of them demonstrates that. Take all the holidays you need; dealing with reality is easier that way. Cheers. Fergananim 17:51, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

None of your silly claims are facts. It is telling that your "life" is so far removed from reality that you think people do not have better things to do with their limited free time than to refute oddballs that post too much on Wikipedia. A more sane person would have concluded that your strange "facts" are not high on my priority list at the moment. In due time, net' boy. Celtic1

What should be the final word
"Well ... where to start? First of all, if you can refute any of what I have said, please let me hear it. Questioning my abilities is fine for the playground but it don't cut the mustard here. "

How could you "hear" it, if it's typed? As for the playground comment, what does that even mean? People debate about Ireland being Celtic on the playground, and if so, where is this bizarre playground you write of? Anyhow, seems like you have a huge chip on your shoulder, and were abused as a kid at the playground, so you have taken your sad rage to the net'. Always the choice of winners!

"Neither did I call you thick. I called your comments rude and thick. "

Where was this distinction? Stop backpedalling.

"There was no Celtic invasion, either 2,500 years ago or at any other date."

Who said there was? Not me. I never claimed a full scale Celtic invasion.

"Forget genetics for a moment, archaeologiests have being saying this for years. There simply is no evidence for it. There is no denying that there was small migrations and movements of peoples over the years (the Scots, Deisi and Attacotti into Britain, the Brigantes, Dommainn, Belgae and Menapii into Britain and Ireland. But an invasion? Sorry mate, it just does not seem to have occoured. "

Again, where was this claim of a full scale invasion? Sorry mate, but your entire thesis is founded on a debate with someone else apparently. I certainly never made such claims. What I will claim is that the culture of Ireland and the people is Celtic and a melange of others.

My name is for Celtic Football Club, not the people! That is another of the false pre-suppositions that you made.

"Thanks for mentioning the Celts link, as its useful and help proves my points:"

It proves the point you were making to someone else, not me, as I never made the claims you attribute to me or are lamely attempting to refute. The links prove my point that the people of Ireland are indeed in the Celtic realm of peoples due to the pervasive cultural influence.

"*1 - ''"Today, "Celtic" is often used to describe the people and respective cultures and languages of several ethnic groups known as Modern Celts in Ireland, Wales, Scotland, Cornwall ... Man ... Brittany ... Minho ... Galicia ..."'''

Note the use of the word today, and the term Modern Celts. This indicates that this is something that is of modern provenence, and not historical. As I'm sure you know, we never once in our history referred to ourselves as Celts. The association came about because Irish was shown to be a member of the same language family as the Celts, and we did indeed share a very similar culture. But we were not Celts."

Same language family, and same culture would mean the Irish are part of the Celtic world. You are Anglo-Saxon, so why do you say "we" when referring to the Irish?

"I'll put it this way. You're writing in English; does that mean you are of Anglo-Saxon descent?"

I'll put it this way, you've made a completely silly point. The Irish were conquered by Anglo-Saxons, and had genocide perpetrated against us in the mid 19th century so that most of the Gaelic speakers either died out or were forced to leave. Sort of like the Yiddish language in Central and Eastern Europe after the genocide there against the Jews.

"*2 - "... who are claimed to share many of the same common traits in their cultures and/or languages as the original Celts but whose ancestors in ancient times were not necessarily considered related to them by outsiders."

The original Celtic nations inhabited much of what is now France, Belgium, western Germany, Switzerland, western Austria, and northern Italy. The Romans in the years just prior to the successful invasion of Britain refer to Britain and Ireland specificly as being beyond the lands of the Celts. Like ourselves, our cousions over in Britain claimed to be indiginious, not recent invaders. And once again, never in our history as a Gaelic (not Celtic) civilization did we ever claim to be Celts. "

The Romans named Scotland, Scotti, which means "land of the Irish", and various Roman historians have described the Scotti or Irish as Celts.

Where is your proof of this, "And once again, never in our history as a Gaelic (not Celtic) civilization did we ever claim to be Celts." ?

I would like some form of evidence from you to back up this claim. Find a document that has Irishman writing that they are Gaels and not Celts.

I never said the numbers were large -- "But as the archaeological evidence has shown, the numbers were pretty small."

This proves that there was a Celtic influence in Ireland, thanks for that. Also, how about the Milesians, the Irish kings that came from Northern Spain, Basque country where Celts were? The Milesians were the fifth and last Celtic people to invade and settle Ireland. Ireland is Gaelic and Celt, and these two are not incongrous with the other.

"So, if anything, its you Celts who should be getting "off my island". After all, we were here first. Go back, read the Celts article, especially the paragraph Development of the term "Celt", and understand the discussion before putting your foot in your mouth. "

More rubbish from you. How can I put a foot in my mouth when I am typing? If you are going to use cliches, as those of subnormal intellect usually do, then at least get it right.

This anti-Celtic xenophobia of yours is astounding, and you really need to take that first jet over to meet Nick Griffin and the rest of your pals at the BNP.

"Now, if you can actually rebut what I have written, fine. That's what wikipedia is all about. Spreading knowledge. Not ignorance, bigotry or racisim."

The last line really clinched it for me -- "Not ignorance, bigotry or racisim" -- what is "racisim"? If you are going to pull that tired, self righteous type of malarchy then at least spell it correctly. It is amazing how you have parroted the talking points of the far left perfectly, and the arrogance coming from you is astounding.

Accusing people of "ignorance, bigotry, and racism" is the hallmark of the weak and the sad, especially when this debate has nothing to do with two of the three. The only ignorance here is yours, and you are no doubt a University student that has been fed enough propaganda to last you a life time. Keep telling yourself that you are an independent, critical thinker.

I am glad to have finally had the time to refute your lunacy. Your entire debate was based on things I never even claimed.

"I don't know where you are coming from with all this stuff about self-loathing and ignorance; on the contrary, I think I've demonstrated the reverse of the latter and no concievable trace of the former. Deal with the world as it is, not as you'd like it to be. Saves a lot of tears, believe me. Slan go bfhiol! Fergananim 11:36, 28 October 2005 (UTC)"

"Saves a lot of tears, believe me."

I do not for one moment have trouble believing that you have cried quite a bit in your time. Most likely due to the playground incidents of your youth you made an inference to to at the start of your bizarre screed.

What is your point exactly, and why did you decide to go on this insane crusade that you can't win? I have proven my points, although I do not feel like a winner, as only losers get into heated debates on wikipedia. I have wasted twenty minutes of my life that I will never get back. The worst thing is I actually responded to you. Celtic1

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The Rising Tide (Sunny Day Real Estate album)

The Rising Tide is the fourth and most recent studio album by American rock band Sunny Day Real Estate. Following the release of Live, the group left independent label Sub Pop for major label Time Bomb Recordings, and changed from a quartet to a trio. The band spent a month working on material through jamming, eventually resulting in around 30 songs. They began recording at Dreamland Recording Studios in West Hurley, New York with producer Lou Giordano at the end of 1999. The Rising Tide is an arena rock album, with elements of progressive rock and symphonic rock; the lyrics includes references to rain, angels and the ocean. Individual tracks drew comparison to Rush, Yes and Doves, while frontman Jeremy Enigk's vocals were compared to Yes frontman Jon Anderson and U2 frontman Bono.

"One" was released to alternative radio in May 2000, with The Rising Tide following on June 20. It reached number 97 on the Billboard 200, and went on to sell over 67,000 copies in the US by June 2001. It received a generally positive reaction from music critics, some of whom praised Giordano's production and change in Enigk's vocal style. It was promoted with listening parties and in-store appearances, prior to a six-week North American tour. The group went on another US stint towards the end of the year, and had planned to visit Europe in early 2001, however, the trek was cancelled. The group eventually broke up in June citing management issues, advertising and Time Bomb's distribution deal, although they had reunited for two times in 2009 and 2023.

Background and production
Sunny Day Real Estate released their third album How It Feels to Be Something On in September 1998 through independent label Sub Pop. It was a critical success; a live show was recorded in May 1999 and released in October that year under the name Live. Around this time, the band recorded a demo that they planned to shop around to interested producers. Despite finishing their contract with Sub Pop, the label would not let the band leave, forcing them to buy their way out. They signed to major label Time Bomb Recordings, who had a distribution deal with Arista Records. Hoerner said part of the reason they left Sub Pop was due to it not being a "particularly effective label". Despite the addition of former Posies bassist Joe Skyward prior to the release of How It Feels to Be Something On, the band re-grouped as a three-piece with Enigk handling bass. Hoerner found it easier to write material as a trio, which he compared to the group's early days of them three writing material for their debut Diary (1994). Lou Giordano visited the group in Seattle, Washington and wrote material through jam sessions for a month. The band spent two-to-three months accumulating around 30 songs before going into pre-production.

The group went to Dreamland Recording Studios in West Harley, New York to record at the end of 1999; sessions concluded by February 2000. Giordano produced the sessions, while the band as a whole as given a co-producer credit. Giordano also acted as the engineer with assistance from Sue Kapa. In addition to their regular roles, each band member also played different instrumentation: Enigk played bass (on every track bar "Television"), piano ("Killed by an Angel", "Disappear", "Snibe", "Fool in the Photograph", "Television" and the title-track), keys ("Killed by an Angel", "Tearing in My Heart", "Faces in Disguise" and the title-track), vocoder ("Snibe"), Mellotron ("The Ocean") and drums ("Tearing in My Heart"); Hoerner played lap steel guitar ("Killed by an Angel") and bass ("Television"); and Goldsmith played percussion ("Snibe", "Fool in the Photograph", "Television", "Faces in Disguise" and the title-track) and sung vocals ("The Ocean" and "Faces in Disguise"). The recordings were mixed in early 2000 by Giordano with assistance from engineer Zach Blackstone at the Warehouse in Vancouver, Canada. The recordings were then mastered by Ted Jensen at Sterling Sound in New York City.

Composition
Musically, the sound of The Rising Tide has been described as arena rock,   with the song structures of progressive rock and the sonic textures of symphonic rock; it drew comparison to the pop albums that 1970s progressive rock acts would release in the 1980s, namely Big Generator (1987) by Yes and Power Windows (1985) by Rush. All of the tracks that appeared on the album were written by the band, while Hoerner and Enigk wrote all of the lyrics. The trio's full-band sound is accompanied by keyboard and string instrumentation, and vocal effects. It built on the orchestrated guitar riffs and Enigk's high-pitched vocals of How It Feels to Be Something On. His voice was reminiscent of Yes frontman Jon Anderson, U2 frontman Bono, and Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan. The lyrics, which were done in the style of Bono, make reference to the ocean, rain and angels. Hoerner said the title had two meanings: one that referred to issues in the world (as alluded to in "Killed by an Angel" and "Snibe"); the other being "the beginning of a journey."

The theatrics of the opening track "Killed by an Angel" drew comparison to Rush. It tells the story of a man's lack of ability to tell right from wrong. It is followed by "One", a Pearl Jam-styled track that recalled "Three Days" by Jane's Addiction, with Enigk's vocals resembling Rush frontman Geddy Lee. Hoerner said it was "sort of the anodyne" to "Killed by an Angel", with "One" being the "desire to overcome." The ballad "Rain Song" is a Beatles-esque track influenced by Eastern music, and compared to Jane's Addiction. Its string arrangement was done by Larry Pack and Rob Turner, who also played violin and cello on it, respectively. It featured violin by Stan Kurtis, Rachel Handman and Michelle Stewart; viola by Ryan Hall and Emily Schaad; and cello from Lisa Bressler. "Disappear" was compared to Yes and The Joshua Tree (1987)-era U2.

"Snibe" features a vocoder breakdown; Enigk said it was about "a monster. He is willing to hurt others to retire rich and ugly. He kills the innocent to protect his control." It is followed by "The Ocean", a track done in the vein of the Beatles. The Eastern music-indebted track "Fool in the Photograph" is backed by a string arrangement, which was compared to the work of Temple of the Dog. "Tearing in My Heart", alongside the title-track, recalled the atmosphere of the Cure and Radiohead. The pop-esque "Television" was reminiscent of the Police's early 1980s work. The prog-esque "Faces in Disguise" and the title-track recalled Doves and Elbow. The former's string arrangement was done by Derek Bermel. It featured violin by Kurtis, Handman, Stewart and Packer; viola by Hall and Schaad; and cello from Bressler and Turner. The title-track is about ignoring one's problems and letting others make decisions for you; it incorporated programming from Giordano.

Release
On April 4, 2000, The Rising Tide was announced for release in June. Alongside this, a demo version of "The Ocean" was made available for free download through the group's website. In late May, "One" was released to alternative radio. The Rising Tide was released on June 20 through Time Bomb Recordings. The statue on the cover of the album is Vancouver's "Bronze Angel", created by the Montréal sculptor, Coeur de Lion MacCarthy located at the former Canadian Pacific Railway Station. The bronze war memorial depicting the angel of victory raising up a young soldier to heaven at the moment of his death. To promote the album's release, listening parties were held at clubs and the band did in-store appearances at record stores.

With the addition of touring keyboardist/guitarist Greg Suran, the group embarked on a six-week North American tour with support from No Knife in June and July. Between September and November, the group went on another headlining US tour. The Rising Tide was released in Japan on January 24, 2001 with an acoustic live version of "Television" as a bonus track. In February and March 2001, the group planned to embark on a one-month long tour of European, however, the group cancelled the tour over a month before its scheduled start date due to the birth of Hoerner's child. Amongst a series of issues, including the ending of Time Bomb's deal with Arista, problems with the group's management, advertising for The Rising Tide, and the need for a break, the band broke up in June.

Reception
The Rising Tide peaked at number 97 on the Billboard 200. By June 2001, it had sold over 67,000 copies in the US.

The Rising Tide received generally positive reviews from music critics, according to review aggregator Metacritic. AllMusic reviewer Heather Phares said it demonstrates "the most accomplished version of their gripping, anthemic sound yet." Giorgano's skills provided the album an "unabashedly big, clean sound that frames Sunny Day's detailed songwriting and arrangements perfectly". Spin writer Chris Ryan called the record "stunning" and "just another ballsy leap into the unknown". The A.V. Club Stephen Thompson said the "recurring nods to prog-rock" were "unsettling the first time through", however, "additional exposures reveal the beautiful, textured rock album within." Spence Abbott of Wall of Sound said the group "mine[d] the vein of epic rock" to deliver "stripped-down arena rock for the new millennium" that acted as "beguilingly hypnotic ... music that is decidedly off-kilter."

Rolling Stone writer Greg Kot said Giordano's "grandiose production ... matches the quasi-mystical visions mapped out in the songs." He highlighted the "otherwordly sound" of Enigk's vocals as "immers[ing] the listener". Mark Athitakis of New Times Broward-Palm Beach Giordano understood the group's dynamic, turning Goldsmith's drumkit sound like "cannonballs fir[ing] in a cathedral", and Enikg's "high-pitched voice into a truly melodic instrument rather than a banshee wail." Orlando Weekly said it was the group's "finest work to date", coming across as "both anthemic and bombastic while still managing to be mysterious and off-kilter." SonicNet Jon Vena said Enigk's "wailing yelp is smoother here", though by the album's end his "high vocal timbre wears thin." Vena noted that the record was "essentially a tranquil set of string-heavy lullabies" that was "big, experimental and sonically adventurous".

Entertainment Weekly reviewer Laura Morgan said that "after only a few tracks, the nostalgic kick wears off, and the band’s bloated riffs quickly turn tiresome." Pitchfork contributor Brent DiCrescenzo criticized Giordano's production as "magnify[ing] and spotlight[ed] the occasional songwriting errors", and the clearer emphasis on Enigk's vocals, which "can derail a track with one jutting word." Billboard Jonathan Cohen found it a "mixed blessing"; complimenting Giordano's "penchant for string flourishes, inch-thick synthesizer sheens", however, due to most of the "musical reference points" being "so curiously out of another era", it was "difficult to separate Enigk and ... Hoerner's quizzical lyrics from the accompanying sounds".

Track listing
All songs written by Sunny Day Real Estate, all lyrics by Dan Hoerner and Jeremy Enigk.

Personnel
Personnel per booklet.

Sunny Day Real Estate
 * Jeremy Enigk – vocals, guitar; bass (all except track 9), piano (tracks 1, 4, 5, 7, 9 and 11) , keys (tracks 1, 8, 10 and 11) , floor & knee (track 3) , vocoder (track 5) , Mellotron (track 6) , drums (track 8)
 * Dan Hoerner – guitars (all except track 10); lap steel guitar (track 1), electric sitar (track 7) , bass (track 9)
 * William Goldsmith – drums (all except tracks 3 and 8), percussion (track 5, 7 and 9–11) , vocals (tracks 6 and 10)

Additional musicians
 * Larry Packer – string arrangement (track 3), violin (tracks 3 and 10)
 * Rob Turner – string arrangement (track 3), cello (tracks 3 and 10)
 * Stan Kurtis – violin (tracks 3 and 10)
 * Rachel Handman – violin (tracks 3 and 10)
 * Michelle Stewart – violin (tracks 3 and 10)
 * Ryan Hall – viola (tracks 3 and 10)
 * Emily Schaad – viola (tracks 3 and 10)
 * Lisa Bressler – cello (tracks 3 and 10)
 * Derek Bermel – string arrangement (track 10)
 * Lou Giordano – programming (track 11)

Production
 * Lou Giordano – producer, engineer, mixing
 * Sunny Day Real Estate – co-producer, art direction
 * Sue Kapa – assistant engineer
 * Zach Blackstone – assistant mixing engineer
 * Ted Jensen – mastering
 * Jolie Clemens – art direction
 * Matthew Kern – angel photography
 * F. Scott Schafer – band photography


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