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User talk:Fsplets

A iVirtua Solutions, fundada em 19 de julho de 2001 na cidade de Montenegro - RS, é uma empresa brasileira provedora de soluções voltadas para o Gerenciamento de Serviços de TI, que proporcionam à corporações de variados portes e setores, uma gestão pró-ativa e integral dos recursos tecnológicos alinhados aos seus objetivos de negócio, em conformidade com as melhores práticas do mercado (ITIL, IT Governance, CMMi, COBit e BS7799).

Buscando suprir a crescente demanda dos departamentos de Tecnologia da Informação pela harmonização da tecnologia às suas políticas corporativas, a iVirtua Solutions possibilita que seus clientes gerenciem seus ambientes de TI de forma prática e centralizada, permitindo uma previsão segura e antecipada dos impactos inerentes à tomada de decisões, priorizando medidas corretivas, e tendo como resultado a redução do TCO (Custo Total de Propriedade) e a garantia de retorno dos investimentos (ROI), enquanto maximizam o uso potencial dos recursos, sem comprometer a disponibilidade e segurança de seus dados.

Investir em suporte técnico qualificado e flexível está entre as prioridades da iVirtua Solutions, que compreende a relação com seus clientes como uma parceria duradoura, e que deve ser mantida através da oferta de serviços personalizados, além da participação ativa e efetiva no aprimoramento de soluções que atendam as necessidades de cada negócio. O treinamento completo e didático que cobre as soluções iVirtua, é ofertado pela própria empresa em todo o país.

Visão

Estar presente em todo e qualquer dispositivo eletrônico gerenciável.

Missão

Criar software de alta tecnologia e prover serviços para o gerenciamento do ciclo de vida de TI em conformidade com as melhores práticas de mercado.

Valores

1. Simplicidade nas soluções criadas 2. Agilidade no atendimento 3. Busca constante do conhecimento 4. Inovação permanente 5. Valorização do ser humano 6. Ética nos relacionamentos 7. Qualidade com lucratividade 8. Gerar valor agregado para os seus clientes

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Single set back

Single set back  (also known as the "Lone Setback" or "Singleback" or "Ace" formation or "Oneback" or "Solo") is an offensive base formation in American football which requires only one running back (usually a halfback) lined up about five yards behind the quarterback. There are many variations on single back formations including two tight ends and two wide receivers, one tight end/three wide receivers, etc. The running back can line up directly behind the quarterback or offset either the weak side (away from the tight end) or the strong side (towards the tight end).

Use in the NFL

Washington Redskins coach Joe Gibbs first began using the single-back as a base offense in order to move defenders off the line of scrimmage. He found that having an extra receiver on the line forced defenses to choose their poison by either defending the pass or the run because they were not able to focus on both at once using the number of personnel that they had on the field. He also then began utilizing sets of two tight ends as blockers mainly to protect his quarterbacks from Lawrence Taylor. He believed having an extra blocker on the line would make it easier to keep Taylor out of his backfield. By using different formations and motion before the ball was snapped, he also found that he could confuse defenders on whether the play would be a pass or a run.

This formation has gained popularity in the NFL as teams have started trading out a fullback, or blocking back, in favor of another wide receiver or tight end who is usually faster and better able to receive the ball, while still helping the run game with down-field blocks. The effectiveness of the formation is further increased if the team has athletic tight ends with good pass catching abilities, thereby increasing the versatility of the formation. It is, moreover, good for bootlegs and reverses.

A nearly obsolete variant is the offset singleback set, in which the running back is offset behind a tackle or a guard. In this look, the running back would usually be closer to the line of scrimmage than in a standard singleback look (3-5 yards as opposed to 5-7 yards). This generally would be on 3rd downs or other passing downs, with the back aligned to the side of the defender he was assigned to block. However, the back could also catch a pass or take a handoff, using mechanics similar to that of the pro set. As shotgun became more popular, teams began utilizing this back placement with the quarterback in the shotgun instead of under center. In shotgun singleback, the running back therefore stands about the same distance from the line of scrimmage as his quarterback. However, traditional offset singleback formations are still run on rare occasions, nearly always in passing situations.

Single-back offenses have gained popularity due to zone blocking and advanced defenses. There are several combinations of single back formations that are used in Division 1 and NFL football. Speed offenses will use single back because the defense still has to respect the run out of these formations since you can line up many tight ends and still have a down field passing game. Single back offenses create match-up problems in the defense. Linebackers will often have to cover receivers in passing routes while defensive safeties are used more to come up and stop the run on the line of scrimmage. Teams that run a single-back offense typically rely on quick receivers that run great routes, balanced tight ends (blocking/receiving), intelligent, shifty running backs, fast and intelligent offensive linemen, and a quarterback that can read defenses and make safe throws under pressure. Single-back offenses are more common in the NFL than in college or high school.

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Mana (river)

The Mana (Ма́на) is a river in Krasnoyarsk Krai, Russia, a right tributary of the Yenisey. The Mana has a length of 475 km and a basin area of 9320 km2.

The Mana is a popular place of rafting tourism, mostly on the calm, easily passable part of the river beginning from the Beret village or more difficult, from the village of Bolshoy Ungut. The place called Manskiy Plyos near Ust-Mana is very popular for holding various festivals, such as the traditional festival of bard songs.

Course
It flows northwest from the Eastern Sayan Mountains. The upper river called Pravaya Mana is a typical mountain river having many rapids, the lower part is calm, winding among the high hills. It joins the Yenisey some 16 km from Krasnoyarsk city, where the Ust-Mana village is located.

The river freezes over in the first half of November, ice breaking usually begins in the second half of April.

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Talk:Harpers Bizarre

Recent Edits
Thanks for cleaning up the false starts I had on this page. I'm still new at all this! Having the "Harper's Bizarre" point here as well seems like a good idea, given that I got messed up on the spelling when I was still writing it. --Wencer 19:56, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Discography addition
The article states: "...and the band broke up after their last album was released in 1969." I own an LP by Harpers Bizarre on the Forest Bay Company label called "As Time Goes By," issued in 1976. Petersen, Scoppettone, Yount and James all appaer on the album, with only Templemann absent. The tracks are: "Introduction/Cowboy" (G. Smith); "As Time Goes By" (Herman Hupfeld);  "Down At Papa Joe's" (J. Smith);  "Everynight" [sic] (Paul McCartney);  "Society Strut" (Mack/Van Gleason);  "Lullaby of Broadway" (Harry Warren/Al Dubin);  "Speak Low" (Kurt Weill/Ogden Nash);  "Banana King Louie" (John);  My Melancholy Baby" (Keller/Van Gleason);  "Beechwood 4-5789" (Stevenson/Gordy/Gaye);  "That's the Way It Was (from Dvorak's 'New World Symphony')" (Bocci/Frost-Keller/Van Gleason);  "Back In the Saddle Again"  (Whitley/Autry).  Rich 06:12, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip - I heard part of their version of "Lullabye of Broadway" and assumed someone on LimeWire had misattributed it. Sure enough though, I found hints of this album hidden on AllMusic and Amazon. Is any of it listenable? Between the advent of disco and the departure of Templeman, I'm awfully suspicious... Wencer 19:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

It's weak. There is no encroachment of disco on it, and the song selection is consistent with the type of material they had done before, but Templemann's departure does make a difference. An even more obvious difference is the lack of good arrangements. Ray Keller (?) did all of the arrangements on this LP, whereas previously HB had used several different arrangers on each album, including people like Randy Newman, Nick de Caro, Perry Botkin, Jr., Bob Thompson, and other really creative musical thinkers. This LP is just....there. But it IS Harpers Bizarre, and thus, I think, should be included in any complete discography of the group. Rich 19:53, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Okay - it's up now (at As Time Goes By (Harpers Bizarre album). I just started each page, so I can better wikify songwriters, research singles and chart positions and hopefully create a box with album art for each one.  If you've got any information on this album - or any of the other albums, for that matter - feel free to add it, or correct any errors I've made.  Wencer 20:05, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I made a couple of minor edits in the article itself, and some more involved changes in the individual album discography pages, with corrections, clarifications and hotlinks. Question for you: You mention that some of your information for the article came from the liner notes for "Feelin' Groovy: The Best of Harpers Bizarre," but you don't include it in the discography. Why is that? I'd add it myself, but I have yet to try to create a Wikipedia page from scratch. Rich 00:16, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Drug Reference
Is the change in the Chattanooga Choo Choo lyrics verified as a drug reference? It seems a natural conclusion based on comparison with the original lyrics. Why else would they make that change? But unless a band member has verified that this is intended as a drug reference, I would not make the assumption.Jkolak (talk) 07:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Past Members
"Neither Randy Newman, Van Dyke Parks, nor Harry Nilsson were ever members of the Tikis or Harpers Bizarre." Then why is Randy Newman listed under Past members in the box on the right side of the page? 68.134.232.137 (talk) 18:55, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. I removed Newman from the list. Thanks for the note. Binksternet (talk) 00:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

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İhap Hulusi Görey

İhap Hulusi Görey (November 28, 1898, in Cairo – March 27, 1986, in Istanbul), was the first international Turkish graphic artist best known for his illustrations on posters and labels of several Turkish brands in the Republican era.

Early life
Ihap Hulusi's father was a well-known architect in Cairo and he wanted his son become a successful diplomat. For this Ihap Hulusi was sent to English schools in Cairo. However, his primary interest was in painting. In the meantime, he took lessons in painting by mail from Germany. In 1920, after graduating from the high school, Ihap Hulusi went to Munich, Germany, and studied painting for five years specializing in illustrations.

Following his return, İhap Hulusi's father enrolled him to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Istanbul against his will. So Ihap Hulusi dropped off after a while and devoted himself to commercial graphic art.

Career
Ihap Hulusi's first work was the illustration for a toothpaste advertisement poster. In 1929 he established his first workshop in Istanbul and designed 1930 the famous bottle label for the Turkish liquor Raki brand "Kulüp Rakısı". This artwork on the bottle label is still in use today.

With the Latin alphabet reform in 1928, Atatürk commissioned him in 1934 to make illustrations in order to promote the adoption of the new Turkish alphabet. The graphic artwork showed Atatürk teaching the new Turkish alphabet to a little girl, Atatürk's adoptive daughter Ülkü.

His first private exhibition was held in 1935 in Istanbul. Several exhibitions followed at home and abroad. Ihap Hulusi Görey's work became well-known and he performed illustrations for state and private companies until 1977. He worked without interruption for 45 years designing the tickets for the Turkish State lottery, which came out three times a month. He designed the bottle labels of various products of the Turkish State Monopoly 35 years long. He illustrated also posters for the famous brands like the British whisky John Haig, Italian Cinzano and Fernet Branca.

Görey designed also logos for some companies, which helped them get easily recognized and well known. In his late life he was much involved in performing calligraphy.

He was called the "man who illustrated the Republic" or the "king of the graphic art". Ihap Hulusi Görey died on March 27, 1986, in Istanbul. He was survived by his fourth wife Naşide after 27 years of marriage.

Ender Merter, a Turkish advertisement businessman, who collects the works of Ihap Hulusi Görey since 1993, exhibited in 2002 Görey's original drawings, aquarelles, calligraphies and personal belongings in the Rahmi M Koç Museum.

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Savvis

Savvis is a subsidiary of Lumen Technologies (formerly CenturyLink) that sells managed hosting and colocation services headquartered in Town and Country, Missouri. The company owns more than 50 data centers spread across North America, Europe, and Asia and provides information technology consulting. Savvis has approximately 2,500 unique business and government customers.

Early history
Savvis was founded in November 1995 under the name DiamondNet by CTO/COO Timothy Munro Roberts and CEO Andrew Gladney. The two met in the St. Louis area in 1994 where both lived, with Roberts working for a computer store and Gladney as a customer. Gladney provided the initial capital ($600,000 to $1 million, according to different sources) in return for a 75% stake in the startup, with Roberts’ stake being the remaining 25%.

Gary Zimmerman was recruited by Roberts from SBC Communications Inc. to become vice president of engineering at Savvis in November 1995. He built out Robert's first national network design. The authentic network design was unique within the industry at the time it became fully operational, and there was significant coverage and discussion in the trade press regarding both the network and its architect, Roberts. In 2001, the last year in which Robert's original design was in use, Savvis was ranked the #1 fastest Backbone Network by Keynote Systems, an independent network ratings service.

Roberts closed a revenue contract with Apple Computer, Inc. as their first large customer, dealing with David Zimmerman and Marty Suzuki at Apple's Cupertino headquarters. By leveraging the Apple Computer customer reference and testimonials, the company was able to close additional large contracts with other industry providers, and it quickly gained wide industry recognition.

During this growth spurt, the company attracted the notice of St. Louis' Gateway Venture Partners, who subsequently invested millions of dollars. After the Gateway investment, Sam Sanderson, former CEO of Rogers Cable, was brought to helm the company. Sanderson brought much needed support to the company, closing substantial contracts and placing the company into a marketing position. Contemporaneously, Bob Murphy was named to the chief financial officer position (Murphy was previously the CFO of Williams Communications). Murphy in turn attracted additional capital, and a sound financial management team.

In 1997, Roberts left the company, and Gladney left his position as CEO to become vice chairman. Gladney's relationship with Savvis ended shortly thereafter in 1999. By the time of the company's IPO (in 2000), Gladney's stake was 1% of the outstanding shares.

Growth and acquisitions
In 1999 Savvis was acquired by Bridge Information Systems. After a year as a Bridge Company, Savvis was spun off by Bridge as a public company. Savvis' February 2000 initial public offering (IPO) was listed on the NASDAQ stock exchange as "SVVS". Since its IPO, Savvis has grown both organically and through strategic acquisitions. In 2002, Savvis purchased WAM!NET, a content management and media application service, followed in 2003 by a purchase of the hosting operation and customers of Intel Online Services. In 2004 the company purchased the assets of Cable & Wireless America which included 15 data centers and the customers of Exodus Communications, the Tier-1 Internet backbone previously owned by MCI, the content delivery network (CDN) from Digital Island, and a significant professional services organization for $155 million in cash and assumed liabilities of approximately $12.5 million.

Name change
In 2005, Savvis announced a change in its name from Savvis Communications Corporation to Savvis, Inc. to reflect company expansion from network services to Global IT services. Until January 21, 2014, Savvis was referred to as Savvis, a CenturyLink company, an autonomous managed-hosting entity under the CenturyLink umbrella. In early 2014, the company name was changed to CenturyLink Technology Solutions, in order to better align the Savvis business unit and the CenturyLink parent company. In early 2015 CenturyLink Technology Solutions was fully absorbed within CenturyLink's IT Services group, it is now unified under one name "CenturyLink".

Content delivery network divestitures
In 2006, Savvis announced that Level 3 Communications would acquire Savvis’ content delivery network (CDN) services business for $135 million; the deal included network assets, customer contracts and intellectual property used in Savvis’ CDN business.

Expanding EMEA presence
In 2007, Savvis opened a data center in Singapore, increasing its presence in the Asia Pacific region. The following year, it opened a new data center in London, increasing its services in Europe.

Acquisition of Fusepoint
In June 2010, Savvis acquired Canadian technology firm Fusepoint, including data centers in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver.

Recovery
In January 2011, Savvis was positioned in the Leaders quadrant of the Magic Quadrant for Cloud Infrastructure-as-a-Service and Web Hosting (2010 Edition) by Gartner, an IT research and advisory firm. Savvis is positioned alongside 19 other web hosting providers, including AT&T, Rackspace, Verizon Business, Terremark, and Sungard in the measurement of "completeness of vision" and "ability to execute". As well, the company launched its global, cloud-focused Savvis Alliances Program for channel partners. Savvis also entered into partnership with Bharti Airtel Limited to launch a major strategic managed hosting and cloud computing initiative in India.

Acquisition by CenturyLink
On April 27, 2011, telecommunications firm CenturyLink, Inc. and Savvis reached an agreement whereby CenturyLink acquired Savvis through a buyout of outstanding common shares in cash and stocks, for approximately $2.5 billion USD. This valued Savvis at $40 per share, which represented an 11% premium over Savvis’ closing price on April 26, 2011. Under the agreement, Savvis shareholders are to receive $30 per share in cash and $10 in shares of CenturyLink common stock. In September 2011, Savvis announced facility expansions in existing markets including Atlanta, Boston, and Toronto; as well as the opening of 2 new data centers in Seattle and Piscataway, New Jersey. This adds 100,000 square feet of raised data center floor space in the 5 cities, bringing the total sellable global footprint to 2 million square feet.

Spam support allegations
On 8 September 2004, Savvis' Operations Security Manager, Alif Terranson, left his position and went public with internal Savvis documents, releasing them to media outlets including the BBC, the Register, and others. These documents disclosed that Savvis was soliciting the business of spammers and that Savvis was realizing between $200,000 to $2,000,000 in per month from these customers. As a result of the negative media attention, Savvis resumed business using Spamhaus (a worldwide organization of spam fighters) to prevent and resolve customer spam issues. In a joint press release, Steve Linford, CEO and founder of the Spamhaus Project was quoted, "Spamhaus has long recognized Savvis as a 'White Hat Network' with exemplary policies and procedures to control the proliferation of spam. We are pleased to work with Savvis to fight against spam and encourage others in the industry to adopt their leadership model."

American Express lawsuit
In October 2005, then CEO Robert A McCormick and Savvis were listed as defendants in a claim brought by American Express. The case involved charges made on McCormick's corporate American Express Card that were reported to be $241,000 at a New York strip club, Scores. While McCormick asserted that the charges were fraudulent, Scores claimed to have fingerprints of McCormick's, used specifically to verify that his large charges were legitimate. In November 2005, after an investigation into the matter by the audit committee of the board of directors, Savvis accepted McCormick's resignation. In March 2006, Savvis announced that the litigation brought by American Express against Savvis, McCormick and Scores had been resolved in a negotiated settlement.

Suits over security audits
In 2009, multiple lawsuits were filed against Savvis alleging that Savvis improperly certified as compliant with credit card security standards processors, which may have resulted in significant security breaches. An analysis of one complaint reported: "According to a post-incident forensic analysis, at the time Savvis issued the [certification], CardSystems had been improperly and continuously storing unencrypted cardholder data."

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Debsa Pass

Debsa Pass is a 5360 m mountain pass in the Himalaya mountains between the Kullu and Spiti Districts of Himachal Pradesh, India.

Joydeep Sircar led the teams that explored the watershed ridge and discovered the pass after approaching through the Parbati River valley in Kullu. After an abortive attempt on an impassable col further north in 1992, the pass was located and reached in 1993, but the team refrained from crossing it into Spiti under the mistaken impression that they could be arrested because they did not have Inner Line Permits required for Spiti. Two years later, the 1995 team planned to approach from the Spiti side, which involves much less height gain, but tremendous autumn floods in the upper valley of the Beas River and other areas of Himachal which wrecked roads forced them to take the Parbati approach again. This time they crossed the pass on 21 September and completed the route from Manikaran to Kaja.

Leomann's 1:200,000 map of Himachal Pradesh (Third Edition, 2005) shows a dotted track beginning at a point between the Kach (should read Kachh) and Bara Dwari Thach campsites, and crossing the Kullu-Spiti watershed divide into the West Debsa Glacier to follow the West Debsa and Debsa streams to Thidim (should be Thango) in the Parahio Valley. This is a fairly accurate representation of the 1995 route, though the pass is unmarked.

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Eresus cinnaberinus

Eresus cinnaberinus and Eresus niger are names formerly used for a group of spiders in the genus Eresus now divided into three species, E. kollari, E. sandaliatus and E. moravicus. The three species differ in size, colour pattern, shape of prosoma and copulatory organs, and habitat, with no morphologically intermediate forms. As eastern and western E. kollari are genetically different, with the eastern form likely a hybrid between "pure" E. kollari and E. moravicus, it is possible that later revisions will partition it into additional species.

Both Eresus cinnaberinus and Eresus niger are now regarded as nomina dubia.

Distributions

 * E. kollari has the widest distribution of the three species, occurring from Spain and Portugal to Novosibirsk in Russia.
 * E. moravicus occurs in the Pannonian region, the Balkan Peninsula and parts of the Austrian Alps.
 * E. sandaliatus occurs in northern Europe (Denmark, southern Sweden, southern England, Schleswig-Holstein in Germany) and in western central Europe (the Czech Republic, the Danube region in Bavaria, the Austrian Alps, northern France).

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User talk:Felicity4711

Welcome!
Hello, Felicity4711, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

 * The five pillars of Wikipedia
 * How to edit a page
 * Help pages
 * Tutorial
 * How to write a great article
 * Manual of Style

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian!

In light of the changes you made at County Cork, I especially want to point you to Manual of Style (headings): only the first word of a heading (as well as any proper names) are supposed to be capitalized. Also, for a long time only “straight” quotation marks and apostrophes were allowed on Wikipedia; there is some feeling that “curly quotes” should be allowed too, but you have to be careful when changing them inside links, because some links won’t work with a curly quote. I’d say the general feeling on straight and curly quotes is that it’s fine to use whichever you like in your own writing, but it’s probably better not to edit a page that consistently uses one type to make it use the other.

If you have any questions, check out Where to ask a question or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! —Angr ( tɔk ) 23:21, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

 * P.S. Your above statement of who you are is most appropriately put on your user page. This is your talk page, which is for other people to leave you messages, and for you to answer them. You can also answer people on their talk pages if you want to be sure they see your answer.—Angr ( tɔk ) 23:23, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Reply
I hope I’m doing this right, editing the page to reply to your comment—I guess I’ll have to re-read the manual to make sure! In the meantime...

I read the linked point about capitalisation and stand corrected, and will happily conform to the Wikipedia standard of header capitalisation from now on.

However, I’m fanatical about directed quotes and apostrophes; as long as Wikipedia allows them, I plan to fix every single one, one random article at a time. I just think that directed quotes and apostrophes look more professional, more like an actual published work; plus, aesthetically, non-directed quotes really, really bother me, and make me want to not use Wikipedia—which would be unfortunate, because I learn so much about so many things just by going through articles replacing quote marks!

Thank you for the welcome and I will certainly read the links you suggested. :-)

 * PS: I forgot to mention that I’m very careful to leave links that contain undirected apostrophes intact and use the | (pipe) so that the directed version is only the displayed version. :-)

 * Hi! Thanks for the answer. Another convention at Wikipedia is to sign comments on talk pages by typing, which leaves a link back to your user page as well as giving the time at which you left the message. Or you can click on the “signature” square (the second from the right) above the edit box. Now, as to apostrophes and quotes; the only reason I complained about it at all is that at this edit, you didn’t fix a link with a straight apostrophe in it. You changed Sheep's Head to Sheep’s Head (note the change from blue to red). In this case, the best thing to do is to make a redirect from Sheep’s Head to Sheep's Head. Do you know how to do that? You click on Sheep’s Head and in the edit box you type  . After you do that, Sheep’s Head will turn blue and clicking on it will take you straight to Sheep's Head.—Angr ( tɔk ) 08:18, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Oh my goodness, you’re right. I didn’t catch that one. If I understand your instruction correctly, I’d be creating a page called Sheep’s Head that would then redirect to Sheep's Head...is it simpler if I just say Sheep’s Head ? I’m happy to do either one. Felicity4711 16:38, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes, you did it exactly right! Now you can link to either Sheep's Head or Sheep’s Head and both will go to the same article. Making a piped link will work too. There’s also an easier way to insert curly quotes now. Instead of typing &rsquo; every time you can just click on the quotes you need under “Special characters” underneath the “Save page” button below the edit box. Angr ( tɔk ) 18:17, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Please don’t unilaterally impose stupid “smartquotes” on articles which previously didn’t contain them
See Manual_of_Style AnonMoos 17:00, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I suspect that was accidental. Felicity is probably using an external editor which automatically replaces normal quotation marks with typographer’s quotes. Now that her attention has been drawn to it, I doubt it will happen again.—BBlackmoor (talk), 2006-02-20 T 14:35 Z

 * Ack. After reading her comments above, I see that it was intentional, after all. Felicity, typographer’s quotation marks belong in printed material, not on the web. DO NOT REPLACE NORMAL QUOTATION MARKS WITH TYPOGRAPHER’S QUOTES IN WIKIPEDIA.—BBlackmoor (talk), 2006-02-20 T 14:38 Z

 * Typographer’s quotes belong anywhere that they’re possible. The lack of directed apostrophes and quotes on the net is a flaw that is finally starting to change. I care how apostrophes and quotes look. I wouldn’t have bothered creating an account on Wikipedia if it didn’t offer directed apostrophes and quotes. Felicity4711 09:06, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

If you’re going to do this, at least use the Unicode characters ‘ “ ’ ” instead of the HTML entities. android 79  14:38, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I can do that if that’s what everyone would prefer, but it was my understanding that the Wikipedia standard was [ampersand] rsquo [semicolon]. This is as opposed to [ampersand] [octothorpe] 146 [semicolon], which is what I would consider to be “HTML.” Felicity4711 00:59, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Nope, those are both HTML entities. Please use the Unicode. android  79  01:53, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I’ll consider it. Felicity4711 02:40, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

By the way, are you using a script or other wise (semi-)automated process to do this? android 79  14:44, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Nope! Doing it all by hand. :-) Felicity4711 00:59, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Before you continue, I would suggest that you make sure that there is not widespread opposition to this change. Since typographer’s quotes don’t appear anywhere on a standard keyboard, the only way to enter them into articles is through HTML entities (very annoying) or with the special characters box (slightly less annoying). Please post a new discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style describing your plans. android  79  01:53, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately, there is some opposition, though I don’t know whether I’d call it “widespread.” The fact that typographer’s quotes don’t appear on a standard keyboard is part of why being able to enter them in other ways, such as HTML, the special characters box (extremely inconvenient to use), or combinations of keystrokes in Windows and Macintosh, is so important. I’ll consider posting a discussion. Felicity4711 02:40, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Update: I’ve posted to the existing discussion on directed versus non-directed quotes. Felicity4711 03:18, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Please don’t add smartquotes to articles. Many people don’t know how to add them, and others don’t feel it’s a good use of their time. This makes for an inconsistent look within articles. There is also the danger that people will use them incorrectly. HTML entites make it especially difficult to read an article’s source. There may not be an explicit rule against smart quotes, but most Wikipedians don’t use them, and I’m guessing that most Wikipedians don’t think they should be phased in. Rhobite 02:06, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I don’t see how the fact that most people don’t know how or can’t be bothered to add directed quotes means that I can’t. I do know how, and I consider it a worthwhile use of my time to make Wikipedia more aesthetically pleasing and professional-looking. If we’re going to stop using markup because it makes the source code harder to read, let’s talk about not doing tables and charts instead of picking on directed quotes! I’m guessing that the fact that directed quotes are possible on Wikipedia means that some Wikipedians thought they should be used. Felicity4711 02:40, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * It makes the source code harder to read and edit if you use HTML entities. It makes it harder to edit when you use Unicode. “More aesthetically pleasing and professional-looking” is an opinion that not everyone (including me) will share. Why don’t you take this discussion to a larger audience to gauge editor opinion on the issue? android  79  02:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * OK then...if we’re going to stop using markup because it makes the source code harder to read and edit, let’s talk about not doing tables and charts instead of picking on directed quotes! :-) As I said in another post, I’ll consider starting a discussion on the MOS talk page. [nod] Felicity4711 03:02, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Update: I’ve posted to the existing discussion on directed versus non-directed quotes. Felicity4711 03:18, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Can you at least use unicode, then? HTML entities make the source unreadable, with no apparent benefit. Tables, on the other hand, are absolutely necessary to articles, and any unreadability in the source is a necessary evil. Rhobite 22:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I’ll try to use Unicode. It’ll depend on what terminal I’m on when I edit. Cluttered source code for tables is a necessary evil to you; cluttered source code for directed apostrophes and quotes is a necessary one to me. Felicity4711 03:04, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Al Leong
Thanks for adding They Live to the Al Leong article. I went back and watched it again, and noticed Al for the first time.—BBlackmoor (talk), 2006-02-20 T 14:35 Z

 * Did I add that? I don’t remember. Well, you’re welcome! :-) Felicity4711 09:06, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Net Follower
You appear to have attracted a net follower http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bblackmoor who has made it their task to follow behind you and undo changes that you make.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bblackmoor The user posts links to the Wikipedia Manual of Style to give the appearance of an official Wikipedia correction, but the Manual of Style link given has no relevence to the correctness of their action.

The user’s talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bblackmoor contains his manifesto in which he claims “the vast majority of the human race should not be allowed near a computer, much less be allowed to use one to edit an encyclopedia.”

Good luck.

 * [sigh] Nothing good ever lasts. Well, thanks for the heads-up...Reading his talk page, I notice that he claims to have stopped editing Wikipedia except for two pet articles, and that he considers Wikipedia a waste of time since a persitent crank can simply lurk and undo someone’s changes. Kind of ironic, considering that he’s following me around reverting all my changes. Felicity4711 09:12, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I didn’t follow you around or anything of the kind. After you replaced correct quotation marks with typographer’s quotation marks in one of the few Wikipedia articles in which I still maintain an interest, I corrected a few of your other misguided edits as a general service to Wikipedia. I hadn’t given you another thought until today, when someone brought your continued...“vandalism” is too strong a word, but not by much...to my attention, and pointed me toward the administrators board where the complaints about you are being collected.—BBlackmoor (talk) 02:13, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

 * OK then. As a service to Wikipedia, I’ll just have to check periodically to make sure my directed quotes haven’t been changed to non-directed quotes as part of your continued...“vandalism” is too strong a word, but not by much... Felicity4711 02:58, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Curiously enough, the anonymous coward who posted this warning about Felicity4711’s alleged “net follower” has never made any other edit on Wikipedia. That strikes me as a little odd. A little creepy, even. It would seem I have my own “net follower”...—BBlackmoor (talk) 02:21, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

 * So some anonymous coward posts something about you once on my talk page and you have a “net follower,” but you change multiple articles, explicitly to undo my edits, and I don’t have a net follower? Heh. Felicity4711 02:58, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Directed Quotes: Why They Matter to Me
Directed quotes are 90% of the reason I bothered to register for a Wikipedia account. Directed quotes make the difference between actual, professional publications and something someone churned out with no care for how it looked. A “professional” publication that doesn’t bother to have directed apostrophes and quotes is an insult to one’s intelligence; the author is, in effect, saying, “I didn’t bother to make this a look like a real publication because I don’t think you’d have the sophistication to know the difference.” It’s frustrating that, after having to grit my teeth and do without directed quotes on-line for such a long time (for example, Usenet), they’re finally here, thanks to HTML, and they’re still not being used, even on professional Websites. I’m willing to permanently sacrifice time out of my finite, mortal lifespan and put them in where other people didn’t know how or didn’t have time, because the trade-off is that Wikipedia looks professional, is something I can be proud of having contributed to, and is something I would want to read. If the rules of Wikipedia changed so that directed quotes were not allowed at all, I’d delete my account and would only read Wikipedia by first downloading the text of the Wikipedia entry, then opening it in Microsoft Word and globally replacing all the apostrophes and quotes with directed versions before I started reading. Not being able to use directed quotes (in the world in general, not just on Wikipedia) is like being a second-class citizen. There’s something better, something more true to the experience you want to have, but that’s only for the other people who are lucky enough to belong to the ruling class. You only get non-directed quotes, because you don’t matter. You’re not important enough to have the freedom to choose. Felicity4711 03:00, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Why attempting to force the broad general use of “smartquotes” is not advisable at this time
(1) They’re a pain from the point of view of article maintenance. People editing the article after you may not always use them, and this will result in an inconsistent mixture of quoting styles, which somebody will have to eventually come along and fix.

(2) There are technical issues. Some web-browsing software (older versions, it’s true, but still used by many people, and by no means antediluvian) won’t display “smartquotes.” Some web-browsers will display them correctly when a user views an article, but won’t handle them correctly when a user tries to edit an article. More generally, adding “smartquotes” to an article in many cases transforms it from using only 7-bit ASCII characters or 8-bit ISO 8859-1 characters into using Unicode characters with a variable-width UTF-8 encoding, and this drastically increases the number of things that can go wrong. It’s not really desirable to unnecessarily force an article to use Unicode when its subject matter doesn’t require it.

(3) Many people seem to disagree with you. You may find this deeply wounding and traumatic, but I’m afraid that part of participating in Wikipedia is dealing with such disagreements. You may think that “smartquotes” add “professionalism,” but many people who were around the Internet during the first half of the 1990s have deeply negative associations with on-line computer use of “smartquotes,” since back then they were a proprietary Microsoft thing, whose implementation by Microsoft did not conform to any publicly-recognized character-set standards, and which kept messing things up in on-line forums by intruding into contexts where most users would not see them as they were intended to be seen (but instead as empty boxes, blanks, or strange diacritic-accented characters). AnonMoos 10:32, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * (1) Noted. Ideally, I would be that someone, but I couldn’t promise it.

 * (2) Noted.

 * (3) I don’t find disagreement intrinsically wounding and traumatic; I’d expect some resistance/debate on Wikipedia. However, it goes both ways. If I have to acknowledge other people’s styles, then they should have to acknowledge mine.

 * Since I myself used to browse the Web with Lynx in the early 1990s, I understand how those negative associations could develop. Even today, using Firefox, I still see empty boxes, boxes with numbers and letters in them, and strange diacritically-accented characters on some pages. But the fact that directed apostrophes and quotes are more possible than they used to be is part of what inspires me to encourage their usage. Felicity4711 03:04, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

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 * OK. I think I’ve got it fixed now. Felicity4711 02:16, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Please pause for the moment
You’ve gone on a roll today imposing your idea of what quotes should look like on dozens of articles, without discussion. It’s quite clear from your talk page that this style is controversial and many disagree with you; at the very least you’re making the source extremely difficult to read and edit. I also get the feeling that you’re deliberately avoiding doing this on high-traffic articles in an attempt to sneak this in “under the radar.” A discussion has been initiated at the ANI; I think it would be a good idea to pause what you’re doing and discuss your plans there.—Merzbow 23:57, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I guess I’m used to HTML source code being somewhat harder to read than plain text, such as when I write &#146; to get a directed apostrophe in, for example, my LiveJournal, so it hadn’t occurred to me that other people looking at source code would be unused to it. As for the choice of articles, it’s much less sinister than trying to sneak it under the radar. I’ve been hitting the random article link and editing the shortest articles first, since I know I can get through them in one sitting and therefore won’t have to stop halfway through and leave the article an inconsistent combination of directed and non-directed quotes. I guess the fact that I’m using the random article link is why I’ve ended up on some relatively obscure articles. :-) Felicity4711 14:20, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I’ve given you some support with a plea for sanity on the ANI—you are not entirely alone in your views (though you may be more passionately committed to them than most). Doremítzwr 03:39, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks! :-) Felicity4711 14:20, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I admire your zeal for wishing to improve the standard of wikipedia, but wiki works by consensus, and there is a consensus against using HTML for quotes. If you feel this consensus is wrong, then this should be addressed before you carry on using HTML. As it is, your work is only going to be changed back, as has already happened with Monochrome painting. This results in a waste of your time and that of others. Tyrenius

 * What should be stressed is that the administrators are only opposed to html smart quotes; they are perfectly happy for you to institute unicode smart quotes. I’m sure that this is a satisfactory compromise for everyone concerned. Doremítzwr 19:42, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

 * It is indeed. I’ll be sure to use Unicode quotes from now on. I had resisted doing so before only because I do a lot of my article-editing on a Linux box on which there is no keystroke (such as Alt+0146) to produce typographical characters as there is Windows. To get Unicode characters on that computer, I have to keep a text document on the desktop that contains the special characters, then copy and paste them into the articles as I edit. This is more of a hassle than simply typing &rsquo;. However: as I said, I’ll be sure to use the Unicode quotes from now on. Felicity4711 14:20, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Please take a look at this screenshot of the article Calvin Trillin that you edited. It shows how the directed quotes appear on the latest version of Internet Explorer for the Macintosh when the user has logged in in Japanese. The quotes appear twice as wide as they should because IE has rendered them in a two-byte Japanese font. I suspect that similar or worse problems occur on many currently used Japanese, Chinese, Korean, and other non-English operating systems. Is this how you want these quotation marks to appear to the tens or hundreds of millions of people who use those systems? Tomgally 22:44, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I suppose not. I hope using Unicode directed quotes solves this problem, however, because as much as I don’t want Asian users to have to look at weird spacing, I also don’t want Western users to look at undirected quotes. Felicity4711 14:20, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

 * The Unicode directed quotes in Japanese Internet Explorer for the Macintosh look the same as the HTML directed quotes: twice as wide as they should be. On Japanese IE for Windows XP, they look fine. Tomgally 11:57, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

 * In that case I’ll be sure to use Unicode ones from now on. Felicity4711 02:36, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Please read Tomgally’s message carefully: “The Unicode directed quotes in Japanese Internet Explorer for the Macintosh look the same as the HTML directed quotes: twice as wide as they should be.”—Jeandré, 2006-07-18t19:26z

A Working Man’s Barnstar for your instituting directed apostrophes and quotation marks

 * Thanks! Felicity4711 13:26, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * You’re entirely welcome. Doremítzwr 20:51, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Repairing Felicity4711’s damage to Wikipedia
It has become obvious that Felicity4711 is going to continue to damage Wikipedia despite being asked nicely by numerous people to stop this destructive behavior. Since, yet again, the Wikipedia administration is failing in its responsibilities, it falls upon the rest of us to undo her damage. The easiest way to work together on this, I think, is to work chronologically from past to present. I started with the Inseminoid article, which she damaged on 2005-09-18, and have repaired everything up to 2005-10-21 20:02:22, Blaxploitation. It was actually easier than I expected, because about half of those articles had already been repaired. So do not be put off by the apparent size of the task--Wikipedia’s other editors have already put quite a dent in it.—BBlackmoor (talk) 15:51, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Repairing Bblackmoor’s damage to Wikipedia
It has become obvious that Bblackmoor is going to continue to damage Wikipedia despite being asked nicely by numerous people to stop this destructive behavior. Since, yet again, the Wikipedia administration is failing in its responsibilities, it falls upon the rest of us to undo his damage. The easiest way to work together on this, I think, is to work chronologically from past to present. Felicity4711 22:51, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

There’s no damage to repair; stop being ridiculous — the both of you
BBlackmoor — an amicable compromise was reached concerning this issue on the Administrators’ Noticeboard, where it was decided that HTML directed quotation marks and apostrophes were not be used, as they make the source script unintelligible and cause display problems for a significant number of users. However, Unicode directed quotation marks and apostrophes were not disallowed, as they do not negatively affect the source script (which it could even be argued to positively affect) and cause very minor display problems for a very small proportion of Wikipedia users. The decision reached on the noticeboard represents no failure of the Wikipedia administration in its responsibilities; arguments were advanced by both camps, and consensus was reached. This is how Wikipedia is governed; thus, you ought to accept and respect the decision made on the noticeboard. Stop being intransigent.

You’ve matched Felicity4711’s zeal for instituting directed punctuation with a comprable zeal for using solely primes. Though both efforts are, in the grand scheme of things, fairly inconsequential, yours is the misguided one; " & ' may look like a quotation mark and an apostrophe, but they are, in point of fact, primes, representing ‘inches’ & ‘feet’, respectively. You may argue that the differences are negligible; however, so are the differences between a háček (as in ǎ) and a breve (as in ă) — but they are not interchangeable, so why should primes and directed punctuation be?

Felicity4711 — being an echo is not helpful. I did not reply when I first noticed BBlackmoor’s post here, as I believed that I could expect a mature response from you. You should have shown that BBlackmoor was acting contrary to consensus by citing the recent discussion on the noticeboard and/or citing the policy at Wikipedia’s Manual of Style. Unfortunately, all you have done is bring yourself down to his level.

—Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 01:50, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I apologise. I’d hope to show Bblackmoor how it felt to have one’s contributions called “damage” by reflecting his own flame back at him. It was an echo of sorts. It certainly wasn’t literally meant as a critique of administration, FWIW. Felicity4711 02:19, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Don’t worry about it. I just wanted to prevent a pointless flame war (though perhaps I was a little harsh on both of you). In all fairness, if BBlackmoor goes around converting your unicode directed punctuation into primes, he is doing damage. However, none of his other contributions (of which I am aware) can be considered damaging in any way — the few articles he continues to edit are of exceptional quality. What he must realise is that Wikipedia is run by consensus, which, though being flawed in many ways, is such a fundamental element of its modus operandi, that noöne should expect to be able to change it. It is always difficult to accept consensus when it runs contrary to what one believes, but accept it is what one must do. Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 15:38, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Silverwolf
I think it is great that you added the stuff about the computer lettering in Silverwolf. I remember that striking me quite a bit as well back when I was reading some of them. I did not know the font was Geneva from Apple (I became an Apple user in 1999, so I loved this tidbit). I always thought they did it to save money and wasn't sure if I liked it or not, though it was certainly an improvement over some of the lettering I saw in other independents now that I think of it. I do think your addition is a little long and some of it sounds a little unencylopedic, and I might edit it a little some time in the future if you don't mind. Malnova 01:30, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

 * By 1999, the font Geneva had changed quite a bit in its journey from bitmap to TrueType, so it’s understandable if you weren’t struck by the resemblance right away. :-) Yes, you’re welcome to tighten up my addition. :-) Felicity4711 02:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Straight Quotes
I reverted your quote mark changes to “Turbo Teen” because in my opinion slanted ones look like crap on some computer screens (like mine) and I think they’re stupid to begin with. I edit pages with my web browser which adds straight quotes by default—if you use a word processor like Word it defaults to slanted ones. In an attempt to keep the page consistent when I edit, I change them all back to straight quotes. This isn’t an argument to fight over because Wikipedia has no official preference between the two as both are acceptable (see Manual of Style)—however I try to maintain consistency in articles I’ve written/contribute to—like “Turbo Teen” and I appreciate that they not be changed. Thank you Cyberia23 19:48, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Straight quotes look like crap on all computer screens and I think they’re stupid to begin with. I also try to maintain consistency in articles I’ve written/contribute to which is why I change straight quotes to directed quotes whenever I edit any article. I appreciate that directed quotes not be changed to straight quotes. Thank you. Felicity4711 02:48, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Seems we’re deadlocked then. Cyberia23 21:25, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

 * True. I’ll see if I can avoid your articles until they’re the only ones left without directed quotes; there should be so many other articles for me to work on that that will never happen. If I do one of yours without realizing it I apologize in advance. Felicity4711 10:28, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

 * That’s like saying you won’t kill my cat until it’s the last one in the neighborhood. Thanks I guess. Seeing theres several million articles here—good luck with that...I guess asking you to stop is pointless. But just to let you know that what you’re doing is completely unnecessary and I’m not the only one who thinks so as I’ve read some of the other comments for users against what your doing. I’d say go ahead with your mission if Wikipedia declared directed quotes the standard and all the other must be changed, but officially they don’t care. So why bother? I can’t believe you made an account here just to address quote marks. Is it that boring in Canada? Cyberia23 05:35, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Your rude reply makes me realize that life is too short for compromise. I regret having offered you an olive branch, and from now on, I’ll put directed quote marks in any damn article I want. There are indeed millions of articles—precisely the reason I had figured I could avoid yours indefinitely, in case you hadn’t comprehended that—and I’m willing to work on them one a time. Even if Wikistalkers follow me around changing them back, it doesn’t affect the timetable, since I’ll probably never be finished anyway. It’s not unnecessary; it’s making Wikipedia something I can bear to look at, and bringing Wikipedia up to the standard of a professional publication, as it deserves to be. That’s “why bother.” Felicity4711 02:05, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Well you don’t own this place—you don’t make the rules—an we don’t have to adhere to what you think is right. I’m probably filing an RfC about this. Cyberia23 06:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

 * I don’t try to own this place or make the rules. All I do is follow the rules, which allow directed quotes. Based on your above comments I should also file, on grounds of incivility and personal attacks. Felicity4711 07:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Well, since you know the rules you’d know a “Personal Attack” is based on verbal threats such as vulgar name calling, harassment, and an intimidation. So show me where I’ve done that to you? Yeah, I like to be a smart ass but theres a difference between being sarcastic and openly making threats. Of course you’re probably one of those people who consider anyone speaking out against them a “personal attack” right? An RfC, by the way, is not a personal attack—it open a discussion about the issue to get everyone’s opinion on the matter. I’m not putting you on a slab with it. If you think I’m attacking you by all means, file an RfC against me. You can do the work for me...Just make sure you explain your crusade to purge Wikipedia of improper quote marks because you personally don’t like them and expect editors like me to out of our way to maintain your personal standards. Cyberia23 16:40, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

 * You’re confusing legally actionable threats with flaming. I don’t claim you made physical threats. You were just rude. “Incivility is roughly defined as personally targeted behavior that causes an atmosphere of greater conflict and stress.”
 * “I reverted your quote mark changes to ‘Turbo Teen’ because in my opinion slanted ones look like crap on some computer screens (like mine) and I think they’re stupid to begin with.”
 * “That’s like saying you won’t kill my cat until it’s the last one in the neighborhood.”
 * “What you’re doing is completely unnecessary.”
 * “I can’t believe you made an account here just to address quote marks. Is it that boring in Canada?”
 * “You’re probably one of those people who consider anyone speaking out against them a ‘personal attack.’ ”
 * “You expect editors like me to out of our way to maintain your personal standards.”
 * You began by being rude and escalated even when offered deference to your wishes. You want to be able to get away with “being a smart ass” and “sarcasm” on Wikipedia, but call for arbitration when your attitude is reflected back at you. Felicity4711 22:46, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Your very first reply—where you copy and pasted almost word-for-word what I had said, but switched certain words around, seemed smart assed to me to begin with. I believe you did this to mock me from the get go which implied you didn’t care about my opinion and you rather insult me. I would have left it go with my “I guess we’re deadlocked” comment because I can see you’re adamant about your quote marks after reading that you started an account here EXCLUSIVELY to deal with them. However, your next response, your so-called “olive branch” solution—to leave what I do alone, until they’re the only ones left—is utterly ridiculous.

I may have been out of line comparing it to “cat killing”—Instead, I probably should have compared it, hypothetically, to watching you invade the surround countries, but promising that you’ll leave my nation alone until mine was the last to conquer. You think in a hypothetical war situation that would be an acceptable deal? Anyway, I don’t believe you’d check every article’s history that you were about to direct quote to make sure I wasn’t listed in there somewhere as an editor.

I’d like you see this screenshot which shows what your direct quotes do on some computers: They look retarded. Don’t ask me why they show up that way, because short of reinstalling Windows I’ve tried everything to fix them. You could just say “well thats your problem” and maybe it is, but I’ve seen it happen on two other PCs and it’s the reason why I freaking loath those stupid quote marks. The only computers I’ve seen it work fine on are Macs—which I don’t use.

But whatever, I know this is really a stupid argument to begin with so I’m done talking to you. You can change what you want and I can revert what I want and neither of us would be right or wrong. I already checked finding that bringing a discussion up about quote marks is pointless as we’re not the first two to butt heads about it, and the RfC would probably get rejected. I still think you’re wasting your time and could provide better constructive editing here in other ways. Cyberia23 20:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Your very first reply—where you copy and pasted almost word-for-word what I had said, but switched certain words around, seemed smart assed to me to begin with.

 * That’s because your first post, where you said directed quotes looked like crap and were stupid to begin with, was smart-assed. I reflected your attitude back at you. If having someone say back to you what you said to them hurts you, that’s kind of a clue that what you said was hurtful, isn’t it?

 * I believe you did this to mock me from the get go which implied you didn’t care about my opinion and you rather insult me.

 * Your choice of words in your first post implied to me that you didn’t care about my opinion and would rather insult me, so my reply made us even.

 * I would have left it go with my “I guess we’re deadlocked” comment because I can see you’re adamant about your quote marks after reading that you started an account here EXCLUSIVELY to deal with them. However, your next response, your so-called “olive branch” solution—to leave what I do alone, until they’re the only ones left—is utterly ridiculous.

 * I don’t see why. We both agreed that there are millions of articles and there was no chance of my finishing all of them except for yours. However, since you don’t appreciate the effort, I’ll gladly withdraw the offer and edit any damn article I want.

 * I may have been out of line comparing it to “cat killing”—instead, I probably should have compared it, hypothetically, to watching you invade the surround countries, but promising that you’ll leave my nation alone until mine was the last to conquer. You think in a hypothetical war situation that would be an acceptable deal?

 * On a planet where there are millions of countries and it is impossible for me conquer all of them except for yours, yes.

 * Anyway, I don’t believe you’d check every article’s history that you were about to direct quote to make sure I wasn’t listed in there somewhere as an editor.

 * No; that would take forever. Instead, to make sure I kept my word, I read your User Contributions list and made a mental note of the articles in it. So there.

 * I’d like you see this screenshot which shows what your direct quotes do on some computers: They look retarded. Don’t ask me why they show up that way, because short of reinstalling Windows I’ve tried everything to fix them. You could just say “Well that’s your problem” and maybe it is, but I’ve seen it happen on two other PCs and it’s the reason why I freaking loath those stupid quote marks. The only computers I’ve seen it work fine on are Macs—which I don’t use.

 * First of all, even in the screenshot you provided, the directed quotes look better than the undirected quotes. Second, I edit Wikipedia on both a Windows computer and a Linux computer and have never had a problem viewing directed quotes. Third, I think can help. The problem on your end is that you’re using a Wikipedia Skin that uses a sans serif Web font such as Verdana. Such fonts are ugly in and of themselves, and also have ugly punctuation (both non-directed and directed). If you go to “My preferences” and select the one of the following Skins—“Classic,” “MySkin,” “Nostalgia,” or “Simple”—Wikipedia will appear to you in Times New Roman, in which the directed quote marks look much better. Also, increasing the font size (Ctrl-+ in Mozilla/Firefox, if you use that; or via the menus in Internet Explorer) will make the fonts appear smoother and may make the directed quotes look more co-ordinated in appearance with the rest of the text.

 * But whatever, I know this is really a stupid argument to begin with so I’m done talking to you.

 * Good; then I can assume this will be the last time I hear from you. Felicity4711 21:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Agree 100% with the people who keep telling you to STOP PUTTING PAGE LAYOUT SYMBOLS IN WIKIPEDIA. --148.128.243.8 20:24, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Date links
Please don’t use piped links on dates—it prevents date preferences from working. older ≠ wiser 02:40, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

 * OK. Felicity4711 03:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Space Age Bachelor Pad
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 * Felicity, I’ve made an attempt to save this article. I agree with you that it should be included in WP. Also, I went out of my way to avoid using any apostrophes or quotation marks in my rewrite...don’t wanna set you off! ;-) --Bigscarymike 02:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Hee hee! Thanks. :-) Felicity4711 07:53, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Bill’s House
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Style copyediting
I have reverted your recent changes to Satellite of Love (Mystery Science Theater 3000) because many of them do not follow the guidelines laid out by Manual of Style:

 * Punctuation marks are placed inside the quotation marks only if the sense of the punctuation is part of the quotation. (WP:MOS, "Inside or outside")

 * The exclusive use of straight quotes and apostrophes is recommended. (WP:MOS, "Straight or curly?")

Your changes also included removal of spaces around em-dashes, which the current version of WP:DASH seems to claim as the official position. This is not in keeping with long-standing policy which had accepted em-dashes with or without spaces, so long as one style was maintained throughout the article. But I haven't monitored such changes closely enough, so I won't oppose your restoring this particular style unless and until I find this change to be unsupported by earlier consensus.

However, I applaud your insertion of non-printing space between headings and paragraphs. I believe it's much easier to spot headings when this is done, and do it myself when I am editing articles for other reasons.

I would also encourage you to use edit summaries more often, even (and maybe especially) when your edits are minor or stylistic. This is an important tool in long-term article maintenance. Thank you for listening. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 16:20, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Regarding punctuation inside or outside quote marks, and directed (curly) or non-directed (straight) quote marks, I disagree. While putting punctuation that is not part of what is being quoted outside of the quote marks is more “logical,” it is nevertheless typographically incorrect. Commas and periods always go inside the quote marks because it looks cleaner that way. This is standard typographical procedure, not just my opinion. Similarly, directed quotes are the professional standard and should be used whenever possible. Since we no longer have to live with the limitations of DOS, and can use directed quotes, we should do so, to keep Wikipedia looking as clean and professional as possible.

 * How do I add these points to the discussion on the Manual of Style? Edit the MOS page itself or go to its “Discuss this page”? Or is there a third way?

 * Also, thank you for being gentle and patient in your comment. Felicity4711 (talk) 23:37, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Well, the process to make such a change is indeed be to discuss it first on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style, as I see you have already started. But you'll find two important factors that are unlikely to allow this change:
 * Your idea of what is typographically correct is too parochial, as it starts out for pretty much every editor who takes up style issues on Wikipedia (myself included!). Most professional style guides in the U.S. do indeed make this point, but it is not what other countries' professional style guides say. Because Wikipedia is a global encyclopedia, it has had to craft its own style conventions and compromises. Actually, all professional style guides make and enforce their own slightly different styles (e.g., abbreviations of "U.S."/"US", serial comma usage, capitalization, etc.), but this and the issue of what are quotations marks ("double quotes" vs. 'single quotes' or apostrophes, as we Yanks would call them) are two of the most visible differences between U.S. and British English that can't be split down any middle. (And that doesn't even consider Canadian, Australian, Indian, and other prominent English populations.)
 * And that leads to the other factor. Wikipedians made a fairly logical compromise many years ago that we'd use the British "logical quotation" style, but the American quotation-mark style (double quotes with single quotes for quotes-within-quotes), originally argued for technical reasons dealing with search-engine friendliness. This compromise has withstood thousands of editors' attempts to push it toward all British (the mother tongue) or all American (we host the servers and have had a disproportionate impact on the Web). You'll find that this is one of the most common arguments in the currently 109 pages of WP:MOS discussion archives (never mind all the child pages' talk pages). I myself participated in one of the many ongoing arguments (perhaps two years after the original compromise), and after studying all of the relevant discussions (something which many would-be style changes don't bother to do), found that WP has gone through several generations of editors who have thrown all their best (and often the same) arguments into the conflict, with the result being no change at all.
 * Of course, you're welcome to make a new attempt — some things do change over time — but this is a singularly difficult nut to crack. Besides, I suspect that the global reach of English Wikipedia may eventually have an impact on the professional style guides as they slowly realize there's little logic in keeping such a silly convention that happens to have been invented, if I recall correctly, by an obscure 19th-century teacher whose sole claim to fame was his publication of an arbitary list of rules which form the basis of American style guidelines, many of which have since fragmented among the prominent U.S. publishers (e.g., NYT, Chicago University, AP, APA, etc.).
 * Oh, and on the issue of "curly" quotes, nothing would please me more than to see the use of more meaningful and distinct punctuation than the infernal "straight" quotes we inherited from 1960s-era computer technology. (It's much older than DOS.) But the problem is not the character set, it's the keyboards. Until Microsoft or some other global technology power changes standard keyboards to include proper quotes and apostrophes without doing complex multi-finger sequences to produce them, we're not likely to change that annoyance, either. Wikipedia is supposed to be editable by everyone, and most editors probably are doing well to type faster than hunt-and-peck, never mind doing alt-num-keypad chords to produce commonly used characters. But I'm sure you can take a shot at that one, too, if you wish. (I haven't even tried.) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 05:50, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Felicity, until the Manual of Style no longer favors logical quoting and straight quote marks, I ask that you not edit pages to impose other standards, as you did here and here. Ilkali (talk) 09:21, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Applause for attempts to improve Wikipedia!
Felicity, I would like to offer my appreciation, and gratitude, that there are others who believe in improvement (such flawed logic as “if it ainʼt broke, donʼt fix it” smacks of much irony and much hypocricy when such people are asked if they still use candles instead of light-bulbs ☺ — while I roll about laughing). I admire your unfaultering dedication to your beliefs, and committment to continue fixing the many errors which are abundent here, and not just in typography.

I have, on several occasions, attempted to improve various aspects of Wikipedia (content, typography, accessibilty, usabilty, quality/validity of code, etc.). I am most pleased to find someone who does not instantly dismiss such noble attempts to help Wikipedia ‘grow-up’. Sadly, I have come to the conclusion that Wikipedia (and its editors) have to want improvment before it will happen. Most do not even consider the possibility of trying to resolve the related (often merely technical) issues, in order to facilitate improvements — most are either surprised or silent when I suggest, often straight-forward, ways to resolve them. The search issue, although quite valid, is very easy to mitigate; use Unicode character normalisation. Google manages to do it.

Yet I find it amusing how most enthusiasts wonder why Wikipedia isn’t taken more seriously! Your mirrored responses were most entertaining to read, showing that the same principals apply in reverse if the names are substituted. It is a shame that other individuals are not so enlightened as to see that point.

An additional point about ‘correct’ vs. ‘common’ use, is that people destroying the semantics (be it in typography, or structured mark-up), by replacing quality work with what they think is acceptable (despite much evidence and history to the contrary, in such subjects) are actually corrupting the meaning of the original text, and thus is clearly vandalism. Just because things may happen to ‘look’ the same in a graphical browser, does not mean they are the same. You may find the following of interest, as a good example of many of the attitudes I personally encounter. Other examples (besides obvious basic ones such as “Latin Small Letter X”, vs. “miltiplication sign”) are contention over correct roman numerals (starting at U+2160, in the “Number Forms” block) instead of look-alike capital latin letters, which would be pronounced in a variaty of colourful ways by any screen-reader which didn’t compensate for such stupidity. Examples being “World War eye-eye” or “World War double-eye”, instead of the intended “World War 2” [as in “World War Ⅱ”, not “World War ‘II’”]. This is particularly important on military articles (have a look at the Spitfire article, which I tried to improve), although met with very hostile, narrow-minded, and posessive (of articles) reactions.

Semantics are as important on the Web, and in quality-copy as any other medium. Most sane people would consider it wrong if I referred to an apple, when actually meaning the long, curved, yellow fruit, instead. Or in reverse, referring to a banana when actually meaning the spherical, green/red fruit. Semantics are the corner-stone of communication, which allow higher and higher levels of abstraction to be used. If Wikipedia is not attempting to communicate (effectively, at least, by not respecting established semantics), then I question what exactly its purpsoe is, and why it exists. Sadly, many people do not see the distinction between emphasis, citeation, and presentational italicisation. Yet to simply make all 3 italics-only, destroys any chance of finding out why they are italicised (is something being emphasised, or cited?).

I, personally, would go further than what Unicode recommends (which is almost certainly a compromise, itself), and use the actual apostrophe character (U+02BC, not U+0027) to avoid the problem of distinguishing between the closing of a quote, which uses single quote marks, and apostrophes contained within it (based on the problems encountered when using U+2019 as an apostrophe). They are rendered differently by correctly-implemented fonts; a correct apostrophe is narrower, and more vertical, so as not to interrupt the flow of surrounding characters. Other quite sane recommendations, such as the use of combining characters in combination with plain base characters, over the use of pre-composed, compatibility characters, are very often ignored. Example: according to Unicode, my name should be composed of Carr[U+0065 and U+0301] (Carré), rather than Carr[U+00E9] (Carré). Although personally it would have been better if the preferred/recommended methods would have other advantages, such as requiring fewer bytes to represent.

Yet another is that ease of editing won’t improve unless there is motivation to. If users are allowed to continue using the perversions which came from the typewriter, then of course the issues will remain difficult to resolve.

I find the very same problem with trying to use Unicode generally; people often complain that the ‘canʼt see the characters’ (due to their choice of font), and when I suggest to (otherwise intelligent) people that they should perhaps use a different font (offering suggested examples) if they wish to see the glyphs, they often state that many other people will encounter the very same issue. That is, however, the point; if people remain ignorant, because these corrupt characters still render correctly, and thus don’t actively demand better support of Unicode, then it’ll never happen, and the so-called ‘standard fonts’ will never be updated. To me it is really quite simple, which is why I believe Wikipedia does not want to be taken seriously, and wishes to remain a mere hobbyist project.

Your point about support for various ‘features’ in browsers is quite right (I have a background in standards-compliant web-dev too), such as some not having support for correct mark-up (like the abomination of a browser from the Borg of Redmond). If their browser cannot handle text (as in Unicode) correctly, then it has some very fundamental bugs. Even Web accessibility champions (Joe Clarke comes to mind) say that users are expected to have correctly-functioning equipment, and that authors should not have to compensate.

I find it insane that most any other publication has a formal editorial process, in which more experienced publishers/authors review work of others, to check for correctness. The fact that this is not the case on Wikipedia (and its many guidelines/policies conflict and contradict each other — such as “be bold in your edits” (yet conform to the rules) — as well as ignoring guidelines of the greater world, most of which have been well-established long before Wikipedia was even conceived. I sympathise with how you have been treated by some wikipedians, and the inflexible thinking of those with the power to make the much needed policy changes.

Your thoughts and comments are most welcomed and appreciated ☺. Feel free to correct my questionable spelling. Appologies for the rant-ish tone, but I feel this is within the domain of accessibility, which I am rather passionate about, having some personal experience with the matter, and some of the difficulties involved. — Lee Carré (talk) 16:18, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Another Barnstar for Felicity
Aw. Thanks. :-) Felicity4711 (talk) 03:58, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I fully support curly quotes.--Againme (talk) 20:30, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

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Your question regarding Nova Express
Ho, i stumbled over your question here, and since you didn't receive an answer, i went ahead and asked him. Regards, Gott (talk) 20:36, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Thanks! Felicity4711 (talk) 04:22, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

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Curly quotes redux
Hello. I reverted your edit to Sing Sing (song) as it introduces curly quotes. I see you've made many other similar edits recently, and from reading this talk page it appears that you're aware of MOS:CURLY and have willfully disregarded it in the past. I'm asking that you please stop doing this (as well as breaking MOS:DOB as your edit to Vernon Sale did). While I realize you strongly favor the use of curly quotes, I and others feel strongly that they should not be used here. In these cases, it would be best to seek consensus at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style before making unilateral edits that are contrary to the current MOS. Nick Number (talk) 18:38, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I noticed that you've reverted one of my edits and restored curly quotes. I again urge seeking consensus for a change to the MOS before making these types of edits. Nick Number (talk) 23:40, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

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Bemani Pocket

The Bemani Pocket (ビーマニポケット) series is a short-lived attempt by Konami to capitalize on the market of portable entertainment in the late 1990s. They were introduced on the Japanese market in 1998 and they featured versions of most Bemani games, from Beatmania to ParaParaParadise.

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Releases
Partial platform release list:

 * Beatmania Pocket (1998) and several versions featuring Bemani original music tracks and anime hits.
 * DDR Pocket (1999). Including Finger Step (1999), DDR Hello Kitty (1999), DDR Dear Daniel (1999), and DDR Winnie the Pooh.
 * ParaParaParadise Pocket (2001). Capitalizing on the Para Para craze on Japan.
 * Pop'n Music Pocket (1999). A pocket version of Pop'n Music.
 * GuitarFreaks Pocket (2000).

title: Bemani Pocket


text: Category:Kazakhstani sportspeople

title: Category:Kazakhstani sportspeople


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Palmer Park, Reading

Palmer Park is a public park in Reading, England. The land for the park was given to the town by the proprietors of the Huntley & Palmers biscuit firm and it contains a statue of George Palmer. The park in turn gives its name to Park ward of the Borough of Reading, which surrounds it.

In 1882, the land was used for that year's Royal Agricultural Show, on one of its two visits to the town. In 1889, the initial 21 acre of land was transferred to the town by the proprietors of Huntley & Palmers. It was extended to 49 acres in 1891, and the full park was opened on 4 November 1891. The park and pavilion were designed by architect, William Ravenscroft.

Popular with local residents for various activities, it often hosts religious festivals, sports tournaments and small special events. In the past, Carter's Steam Fair visited the park every year. However, they had to suspend the annual event due to the discovery of ground subsidence in the park in 2001. Chalk mines were found underneath the park and the weight of the fairground rides posed a great danger. The areas affected have now been shored up and compacted to stop any incident from occurring and the Fair is visiting again.

Park facilities
The park also contains Palmer Park Stadium, a velodrome and athletics stadium. Included in the park are Palmer Park Library, Palmer Park Bowling Club, two playgrounds, a community cafe and a number of football pitches which are used every week for local matches. During the summer months, some of the goal posts are removed to make way for a cricket pitch.

title: Palmer Park, Reading