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Talk:Dai Kan-Wa Jiten

Minor changes
Greetings. I made a few minor changes to the current article on October 2, 2005: changed 辞 to original 辭 (ji's kyūji 旧字 form); corrected translation of title to more standard format; corrected number of volumes to thirteen; added "Pacific War". I plan to contribute more to this article soon, such as sections related to the actual content of the volumes. Until then...Jb05-crd 20:34, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your contributions to the article. At the moment, there are fourteen volumes plus one index, which is the same size as the volumes. When the book was originally published, it had twelve volumes, and two more volumes were published since then. If you don't believe this, please check the link on the bottom of the page, where there is a photo of the fourteen volumes and the index. Anyway, the number of volumes has varied, so it is a little confusing. Thanks again for the input, looking forward to your future contributions. --DannyWilde 04:55, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Also, the Taishukan web pages give 大漢和辞典. Can you give some justification for using the older form of the kanji? The Japanese version of this page also uses that kanji, not the old one. Since Taishukan are the publishers, I would think it would be better to use the new one. --DannyWilde 05:00, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello again, Danny. How are you? Good to get some feedback from you. I'll leave your changes up until you have a chance to read my comments here, then please get back to me. There are twelve main volumes (1955) and one major index volume (1960) of the same size and composition as the others, which is why the dictionary is generally considered to be a thirteen-volume set, not twelve. There have actually been two additions since the initial thirteen: a vocabulary index (語彙索引, Tokyo: 1990), and a supplemental volume (補巻, 2000) that includes over 33,000 new vocabulary entries (different from main entries; there are 800 main character entries, which are mainly just updated versions of characters found in the original Morohashi). These two later additions to the set are not generally considered when counting the number of volumes, making the standard number remain at thirteen. I disagree with the publisher web page in question for several reasons. I have consulted the actual dictionary and its supplemental volumes, with which I have been working closely for some time now. I see no problem with differing with the webpage on the use of the original character 辭 (辞 is a simplified version of it) in the title 大漢和辭典, and I consider the use of the character to be true to the original publication of the dictionary, because the content of the dictionary is written entirely in traditional characters (and rekishiteki kanazukai, not modern kana). Only in the index volume 13 do you see simplified characters first used. Moreover, the title on every volume of the dictionary and on every title page uses 辭, therefore I think it would be best to use it here in the article as well. The web page may have used 辞 to appeal to a generation of interested persons who may not be familiar with traditional characters (which is growing larger and larger). Despite the web page's intentions, however, I think we should consult the actual dictionary for what is being used and be faithful to that. Do you have access to a copy of the dictionary where you are now? If so, give a look and tell me what you think. My copy is only five minutes away, so let me know if you have any questions at all. I'm working on putting more together and getting it up on the article, so I'm looking forward to working with you.Jb05-crd 13:46, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your very detailed comments. It is very difficult to sort out who knows what on Wikipedia, so please excuse my changing your edits. I don't have a copy of the dictionary. My information mostly comes from the reference cited, which goes into the production process of the dictionary (the subtitle of the book is "akuma no moji to tatakatta hitobito", if that means anything to you, and it describes the labours of the compiler and typographer of the dictionary. If the dictionary calls itself using the old version of the kanji, then that should be preferred, of course, but most of the above information certainly belongs in the main article. One quibble I have is that if the modern ji character is used by the publisher, it should also feature in the article somewhere. It would be most sensible to write an introduction to the article using your information. Can you try to do it or do you want me to rewrite it? --DannyWilde 04:45, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello there. Thanks again for such a quick response. I'll go ahead and write up an intro including all the relevant stuff I said above as soon as I can (within the next week). I'll take a look at the reference you mentioned, thanks! ("akuma no moji..." haha.  sounds a bit pessimistic...I'm sure Morohashi did not consider them "akuma no moji" though). Bye!!!Jb05-crd 13:51, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello. I made some minor changes for now. It's going to be a while longer until I can add all the information on the internal features of the dictionary that I've been planning to. It's been busy. I wanted to point out something that I didn't notice before, but is actually something that needs changing. The official romanization of the title is Dai Kan-Wa jiten: The Dai is capitalized because it's the first word, of course; the Kan and Wa are capitalized because in this case they are both proper nouns, and the dash is used because it connects those proper nouns, as is indicated in the idea of the dictionary; the jiten is not capitalized as romanization practices and decorum of established journals and books indicate (the kan and wa would also not be capitalized if they were not proper nouns). The Library of Congress also follows this format. For reference, you can also see Herschel Webb, Research in Japanese Sources, New York: Columbia University, 1965, esp. pg. 50. In order to change the official title of this article, too, we need to redirect the entire article, correct? I hope to find time to add in some more exciting information on Morohashi as soon as possible. Until then...Jb05-crd 04:26, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello there. I put up the contributions that I had promised. They are by no means exhaustive or complete at this stage, but I wanted to get them up on the page. Take care and hopefully we'll talk again soon. Bye. Jb05-crd 05:19, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Proposed changes
The opening line should give a better sense of the immense importance of this dictionary, and should include the name of Morohashi. For example, this is the opening line of the Heibonsha encyclopedia: 「諸橋轍次 (もろはしてつじ)(1883‐1982) の著になる代表的な漢和辞典. 」(where “daihyôteki” means the “chief” or “most important”). Macron is consistently missing from Taishûkan. Japanese names should be in Japanese order (Morohashi Tetsuji, not Tetsuji Morohashi, etc). The bullet lists are best replaced by straight prose. On the whole, the article is too listy, and hard to follow. A good book to consult (and cite) is Kamada Takashi, Dai Kan-Wa jiten to waga kyūjūnen (Taishūkan Shoten, 2001). Jb05-Hds2 01:31, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Morohashi
I've added a wiki link to a small article I wrote about Morohashi Tetsuji. Please feel free to expand that article with all relevant information about his person. I also fixed the name order because of Wikipedia's Japanese style guidelines. --asmodai 11:05, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure you have, could you read the manual you quoted again and make sure? Thanks. DannyWilde 12:18, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:59, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Dai Kan-Wa jiten → Dai Kan-Wa Jiten – I wonder why jiten is the only word not capitalized. The word jiten means a character dictionary; it is not even a minor word. The last words of Hanyu Da Cidian, Hanyu Da Zidian, Zhonghua Da Zidian, and Han-Han Dae Sajeon are capitalized, and cidian, zidian, and sajeon all mean (character) dictionary, like jiten. Thus, I believe Dai Kan-Wa jiten should be moved to Dai Kan-Wa Jiten. --Unnecessary stuff (talk) 02:04, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Left a note about this at WT:JAPAN. Jenks24 (talk) 11:42, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - "Jiten" looks like an integral part of the title, much like "Dictionary" is an integral part of "Oxford English Dictionary". Because of this, it looks like it should be capitalized. —  Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 12:14, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Per WP:J-MOS, it should be Jiten. I personally don't agree with this rule because major style manuals such as the Chicago Manual of Style specify that only the first word in a Japanese title, plus any proper nouns, should be capitalized. The current title of this article follows Chicago Style (in this case, the Kan and Wa are capitalized because they refer to languages), but again, Wikipedia MOS is not Chicago MOS. Michitaro (talk) 13:00, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Support, as per Mr. Strad's observation. Boneyard90 (talk) 14:06, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Support per nominator and Mr. Stradivarius. Oda Mari (talk) 14:18, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Support as it's a title. Chicago MoS is just wrong in this case as not having it capitalized makes it appear "Jiten" is not part of the actual title of the work. Sometimes the people at Chicago just don't make any sense as they are telling people to capitalize or not based on which language it is. I can understand for Spanish or other European languages which already use the same basic alphabet and have long-standing tradition to not capitalize. The same can't be said for Japanese. People are all over the map when it comes to Japanese romanization of titles, and there's not really any one wahy which stands out as the most common way to do it. Therefore, it was determined that it made the most sense to capitalize titles as they would be in English in order to avoid any confusion like I mentioned above. Sorry for the, but I figured an explanation of the "why" would be useful in this discussion. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 07:12, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

digital version
This statement is now wrong: "Taishukan has not released an electronic Dai Kan-Wa Jiten edition." They finally released one in November of 2018.--74.103.157.244 (talk) 06:33, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

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Kawakita v. United States

Kawakita v. United States, 343 U.S. 717 (1952), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court ruled that a dual U.S./Japanese citizen could be convicted of treason against the United States for acts performed in Japan during World War II. Tomoya Kawakita, born in California to Japanese parents, was in Japan when the war broke out and stayed in Japan until the war was over. After returning to the United States, he was arrested and charged with treason for having abused American prisoners of war. Kawakita claimed he could not be found guilty of treason since he had lost his U.S. citizenship while in Japan, but this argument was rejected by the courts (including the Supreme Court), which ruled that he had in fact retained his U.S. citizenship during the war. Originally sentenced to death, Kawakita's sentence was commuted to life imprisonment, and he was eventually released from prison, deported to Japan, and barred from ever returning to the United States.

Kawakita is currently one of the last people to be convicted of treason in the United States. One other person, John David Provoo, was convicted of treason in 1952. However, Provoo's conviction was overturned on appeal. The distinction currently goes to Herbert John Burgman, who was convicted of treason in 1949.

Background
Tomoya Kawakita (川北 友弥) was born in Calexico, California, on September 26, 1921, of Japanese-born parents. He was born with U.S. citizenship due to his place of birth, and also Japanese nationality via his parents. A former high school classmate of Kawakita, Joe Gomez, recalled him as quiet and serious, but sadistic in nature.

After finishing high school in Calexico in 1939, Kawakita traveled to Japan with his father (a grocer and merchant). He enrolled in Meiji University in 1941. In 1943, he registered officially as a Japanese national.

Kawakita was in Japan when the attack on Pearl Harbor drew the United States and Japan into World War II. In August 1943, with the assistance of a family friend, Takeo Miki, Kawakita took a job as an interpreter at a mining and metal processing plant.. Shortly after Kawakita started working there, British and Canadian POWs arrived. Kawakita was tasked with interpreting for them. The POWs were sometimes forced to work in the mine.

In 1944 and early in 1945, approximately 400 American POWs, many of whom were captured in Bataan in 1942 and had survived the subsequent death march, arrived in the camp. Kawakita brutalized multiple American POWs during this time."The work done at the mine by the American prisoners consisted of digging nickel ore from the face of the mountain side, and loading it onto cars which were emptied into hoppers. The prisoners also performed other general labor in the mine area, including such duty as carrying logs to be used for construction and maintenance work."After Japan's surrender, Kawakita's attitude towards American POWs reportedly changed entirely. After the end of the war, Kawakita renewed his U.S. passport, explaining away his having registered as a Japanese national by claiming he had acted under duress. He returned to the U.S. in 1946 and enrolled at the University of Southern California.

In October 1946, a former POW, William L. Bruce saw Kawakita in a Los Angeles department store and recognized him from the war. Bruce reported this encounter to the FBI, and in June 1947, Kawakita was arrested and charged with 15 counts of treason arising from alleged abuse of American POWs.

In an interview shortly after the arrest, Bruce described his reaction to seeing Kawakita:"'I was so dumbfounded, I just halted in my tracks and stared at him as he hurried by. It was a good thing, too. If I'd reacted then, I'm not sure but that I might have taken the law into my own hands--and probably Kawakita's neck.'"

Trial and appeal
Nearly 100 ex-POWs said they were willing to testify against Kawakita. At Kawakita's trial, presided over by U.S. District Judge William C. Mathes and prosecuted by James Marshall Carter, over 30 ex-POWs testified that Kawakita had brutalized American POWs. He was said to have beaten prisoners, forced them to beat each other, and forced them to run until they collapsed from exhaustion if they finished their work assignments early. In one case, Kawakita was accused of causing the death of Einar Latvala, an American POW (he was later acquitted of that charge after two Canadians said Latvala had been killed by another guard). Two of the treason charges against Kawakita were later dropped.

One of the witnesses in Kawakita's defense was his childhood friend, Meiji Fujizawa. Fujizawa had also worked in Camp Oeyama, but wasn't prosecuted due to American POWs having overwhelmingly favorable opinions of him; they said Fujizawa had done the best he could to help them and get them medicine. Fujizawa said he never saw Kawakita beat anyone. He said beatings did happen in the camp, but those were done by military officials.

The defense conceded that Kawakita had acted abusively toward American POWs, but argued that his actions were relatively minor, and that in any event, they could not constitute treason against the United States as Kawakita was not a U.S. citizen at the time, having lost his U.S. citizenship when he confirmed his Japanese nationality in 1943. The prosecution argued that Kawakita had known he was still a U.S. citizen and still owed allegiance to the country of his birth—citing the statements he had made to consular officials when applying for a new passport as evidence that he had never intended to give up his U.S. citizenship.

Judge Mathes's instructed the jury that if they found Kawakita had genuinely believed he was no longer a U.S. citizen, then he must be found not guilty. He reminded them that Kawakita was on trial for treason, not for war crimes. During their deliberations, the jury reported several times that they were hopelessly deadlocked, but the judge insisted each time that they continue trying to reach a unanimous verdict. In the end—on September 2, 1948—the jury found Kawakita guilty of 8 of 13 counts of treason, and he was sentenced to death.

In passing sentence, Mathes gave a speech: You gentlemen have performed your duties in this case most diligently. So has the jury. And this is now my responsibility.

I want to make it perfectly clear that the sentence I impose here has no relation to any brutalities that may have been involved in this defendant's treatment of American prisoners of war. That is only an incident. So with any kindness that he may have shown them. It is only an incident. The defendant stands here convicted of the crime of treason. The fact that he was born of Japanese nationals has nothing to do with it. My views would be the same no matter who he was.

Treason is the only crime, as has been said here several times, mentioned in our Constitution. The framers thought it of sufficient gravity to provide it as the only crime mentioned in the Constitution of the United States.

As I view this matter, it is not a question of whether the defendant kicked some American prisoner of war or a dozen of them. His crime might be briefly put in two sentences. He said that from 1943 on he did everything he could to help the Japanese Government win the war.

The jury found that he owed a duty of loyalty at that time to the United States. So his crime cannot be considered, I take it, in terms of beating up someone, no matter how brutal. His crime is a crime against the country of his birth. His crime is not against a few American prisoners of war. His crime is against the whole people of this country where he was born and where he was fed and where he was educated.

Throughout history treason has always been the crime most abhorred by English-speaking peoples. The traitor has always been considered even worse than a murderer. And the distinction is based upon reason: for the murderer violates at most only a few, while the traitor violates all the members of his society, all the members of the group to which he owes his allegiance. The punishment inflicted by the common law when traitors were publicly dragged to the place of execution and there drawn, quartered and beheaded recalls the extreme odium which our forebears attached to the crime of betraying one's country. The penalty for murder was death; for treason, death with vengeance.

Today our law permits the life of a traitor to be spared.

As it has been truly said: "It is the essence of treachery that those who commit it would still be severely punished if the law forgot its duty to provide deterrents to crime and did not lay a finger on them."

If the defendant were to go from this Court a free man, he would be condemned to live out his life in bitter scorn of himself. Haunting him to the end of his days would be the memory not only of his base treason against the land of his birth, but also of Sadao Munemori who won the Congressional Medal of Honor; of Privates First Class, Fumitaka Nagato and Saburo Tanamachi, who are buried with the American heroes of all time at Arlington National Cemetery; and the memory of almost seven hundred other boys of like American birthright, of like Japanese parentage, who stood the supreme test of loyalty to their native land, and gave up their lives that America and her institutions might continue to live.

These thoughts and others must tell the defendant that his life, if spared, would not be worth living. Considering the inherent nature of treason and the purpose of the law in imposing punishment for the crime, reflection leads to the conclusion that the only worth-while use for the life of a traitor, such as this defendant has proved himself to be, is to serve as an example to those of weak moral fiber who may hereafter be tempted to commit treason against the United States. Kawakita's mother broke down after hearing the sentence, and her son begged her not to kill herself. Kawakita was sent to San Quentin State Prison to await his execution. His execution would be carried out via lethal gas.

Kawakita appealed to a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, which unanimously upheld the verdict and death sentence. Certiorari was granted by the United States Supreme Court, and oral arguments before the Supreme Court were heard on April 3, 1952.

Opinion of the Court
In a 4–3 decision issued on June 2, 1952, the Supreme Court upheld Kawakita's treason conviction and death sentence. The Court's opinion was written by Associate Justice William O. Douglas, joined by Associate Justices Stanley F. Reed, Robert H. Jackson, and Sherman Minton.

The Court's majority held that the jury in Kawakita's trial had been justified in concluding that he had not lost or given up his U.S. citizenship while he was in Japan during the war. The Court added that an American citizen owed allegiance to the United States, and could be found guilty of treason, no matter where he lived—even for actions committed in another country that also claimed him as a citizen. Further, given the flagrant nature of Kawakita's actions, the majority found that the trial judge had not acted arbitrarily in imposing a death sentence.

Dissent
Chief Justice Fred M. Vinson authored a dissenting opinion, which was joined by Associate Justices Hugo Black and Harold H. Burton. The dissent concluded that "for over two years, [Kawakita] was consistently demonstrating his allegiance to Japan, not the United States. As a matter of law, he expatriated himself as well as that can be done." On this basis, the dissenting justices would have reversed Kawakita's treason conviction.

Subsequent developments
On October 29, 1953, President Dwight D. Eisenhower, responding to appeals from the Japanese government commuted Kawakita's sentence to life imprisonment plus a $10,000 fine. After the commutation of his sentence, Kawakita was transferred to the Alcatraz Federal Penitentiary. He was transferred to McNeil Island Federal Penitentiary after the closure of Alcatraz in 1963.

Throughout his imprisonment, Kawakita's three sisters lobbied for his release. They said their brother's trial had been unfair and racist. They questioned the fairness of his trial in California, given its horrendous history against Japanese-Americans. The Kennedy administration initially refused to release Kawakita. However, on October 24, 1963, President Kennedy ordered his release on the condition that he permanently leave the United States. This was one of his last presidential acts before his assassination. Under his life sentence, Kawakita was ineligible for parole until 1968.

Earlier that year, the Attorney General, Robert F. Kennedy had sought the opinions of those who were involved in the case. Mathes was adamantly opposed, but James Carter supported clemency, as did the lower appellate judge who wrote the opinion upholding Kawakita's conviction.

Carter said Kawakita should be released, but exiled. Robert Kennedy forwarded this recommendation to his brother. He acknowledged Kawakita's crimes, but said he had been a model prisoner during his incarceration. The Japan Desk of the Department of State also indicated that releasing Kawakita would boost foreign relations.

On October 24, 1963, President John F. Kennedy—in what would be one of his last official acts before his assassination—ordered Kawakita released from prison on the condition that he leave the United States and be banned from ever returning. Kennedy justified Kawakita's release by saying he had now served more time than any other war criminal in Japan (the last Japanese war criminals serving time in Sugamo Prison were paroled in 1958). Kawakita flew to Japan on December 13, 1963, and reacquired Japanese citizenship upon his arrival. In 1978, Kawakita sought permission to travel to the United States to visit his parents' grave, but his efforts were unsuccessful. As of late 1993, he was living quietly with relatives in Japan.

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HMS Daring (D32)

HMS Daring is the lead ship of the Type 45 or Daring-class air-defence destroyers built for the Royal Navy, and the seventh ship to hold that name. She was launched in 2006 on the Clyde and conducted contractor's sea trials during 2007 and 2008. She was handed over to the Royal Navy in December 2008, entered her base port of Portsmouth for the first time in January 2009 and was formally commissioned on 23 July 2009. As the lead ship of the first destroyer class built for the Royal Navy since the Type 42 in the 1970s, she has attracted significant media and public attention. Her name, crest and motto are a reference to the Roman youth Gaius Mucius Scaevola, famed for his bravery.

Construction
Daring's construction began at the BAE Systems Naval Ships yard (now BAE Systems Surface Ships) at Scotstoun on the River Clyde in March 2003. The ship was launched at 14.21 GMT on 1 February 2006. The Countess of Wessex (now Duchess of Edinburgh) was the ship's sponsor at her launch. On 16 November 2006, the Countess of Wessex brought Daring to life on her first official visit. On 17 November 2006, the countess switched on the ship's diesel generators, part of the 'powering up' ceremony.

Sea trials
On 18 July 2007 Daring sailed on the first set of sea trials (Stage 1.1), successfully completing them four weeks later on 14 August 2007. As she is the first in the class some structural areas needed to be tested, including the loads that the main 4.5-inch Mark 8 naval gun puts on the ship. During these trials, Daring reached her design speed of 29 kn in 70 seconds and achieved a speed of 31.5 kn in 120 seconds. She sailed for Stage 1.2 on 30 March 2008 and returned on 2 May. Stage 1.2 included trials on the Long Range Radar and navigation system, medium calibre gun blast trials, weapon alignment tests and endurance tests. Stage 1.3 trials were conducted between 26 August and 22 September 2008 and emphasis was placed on testing the full range of communications equipment. The ship's company used the opportunity to conduct familiarisation and training activities in preparation for the transfer of the vessel to the Royal Navy in December 2008. Stage 2 trials took place in 2009, once the ship had been handed over to the Royal Navy. HMS Daring arrived in her home port of Portsmouth on 28 January 2009 to large crowds along the seafront. She was given the honour of a flypast to coincide with her passing of the Round Tower, just outside Portsmouth.

Operational service
Daring was formally commissioned on 23 July 2009 with The Countess of Wessex inspecting an honour guard on the quayside, and reception. The commissioning cake was cut by the wife of the commanding officer and Able Seaman Daniel Small, who was the youngest member of the ship's company. Daring was declared officially "in service" one year later, on 31 July 2010.

Daring fired her first Sea Viper missile in May 2011 during a test launch in the Outer Hebrides, after years of trials. During the same year she was equipped with two Phalanx CIWS mounted on either side of the superstructure.

On 6 January 2012, the Royal Navy announced that Daring would leave Portsmouth on 11 January 2012 to undertake her first mission, a deployment to the Persian Gulf. Daring travelled through the Suez Canal on 2 February 2012, then continued on to the Persian Gulf, relieving the Type 23 frigate HMS Argyll (F231) that was on station there. In February 2012, as part of the Persian Gulf deployment, Daring joined Operation Scimitar Anzac, an anti-piracy operation in the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden. This international operation included the Royal Fleet Auxiliary RFA Wave Knight, the Royal Australian Navy frigate HMAS Parramatta (FFH 154), and the Pakistan Navy's PNS Babur. Daring acted as the command ship for all the vessels. During operation in the Persian Gulf and North Arabian Sea, Daring operated with the U.S. Navy's Carrier Strike Group One and Carrier Strike Group Nine.

In September 2013, Daring transited the Panama Canal on deployment to the Pacific Ocean. She made port visits to the US Naval Base San Diego, Joint Base Pearl Harbor–Hickam, and the Marshall Islands. While in the Pacific, Daring took part in the Royal Australian Navy's International Fleet Review 2013 at Sydney and also participated in the 2013 Five Power Defence Arrangements exercise, Bersama Lima. During Bersama Lima, Daring was urgently dispatched to the Philippines as part of the British government's humanitarian response to Typhoon Haiyan. Before her return to the United Kingdom, Daring made port visits in Japan, South Korea, China, Vietnam, Thailand and Malaysia.

On 4 July 2016, Daring fired an Aster 30 off the coast of Scotland.

In September 2016 Daring deployed to the Persian Gulf to assist in Operation Inherent Resolve. In April 2017, after being relieved East of Suez by HMS Monmouth (F235), Daring transited the Bosphorus for exercises in the Black Sea with the Romanian Navy.

Daring was laid up, pending a refit, from 2017 to 2020. She began her refit in June 2020 and received a visit from her sponsor, the Countess of Wessex, in 2021 to see the progress of the work. On 15 September 2021, Daring left Portsmouth for the first time in four years under tow bound for Cammell Laird shipyard in Birkenhead to allow work to be carried out installing new generators under the Power Improvement Project (PIP). PIP installation work was completed by Cammell Laird at the end of 2022 and the ship was returned to Portsmouth in January 2023 to complete refit and regeneration. She is expected to return to the fleet in 2024.

Ship's sponsor

 * The Duchess of Edinburgh

Official affiliations

 * City of Birmingham
 * Warwickshire District Sea Cadets
 * Guernsey
 * The Royal Dragoon Guards
 * No. 11 Squadron RAF
 * HMS Forward (1984 shore establishment) (Birmingham Royal Naval Reserve)
 * The Daring Association
 * King Edward's School, Birmingham
 * 4th Knowle Sea Scout Group
 * Worshipful Company of Carpenters (a City of London livery company)
 * Birmingham University Royal Naval Unit
 * The D-Boats Association
 * Midland Naval Officers Association
 * Daring Class Yachts

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2048 Presidential Election

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete (doen by Redwolf24. – Rich Farmbrough 23:04, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

2048 Presidential Election
WP:NOT a crystal ball. 43 years from now is a long time from now; we can make an article when the subject becomes encyclopedic: how sure can we be that there actually will be such an election? There could be a constitutional ammendment to change the presidential term from 4 years to 5 years, for instance. A lot can happen in 50 years --Mysidia (talk) 20:36, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Worse case of crystal ball. We don't even have an article on the U.S. presidential election, 2016, why should we have an article on 2048? --Revolución (talk) 20:43, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * User:Wolfpackfan72: How in the world did you find my artical so darn fast, I put it up 5 miniuts ago? And are you from france? Of cource, bw will have an election in 2048!
 * User:Wolfpackfan72: We have an artical up about 2008, what's the diffrence? Okay, so a couple of years, but this is not fictional, it really will happen. Scientists and theolagists speculate all the time about things that can't be proven.
 * 2048? Of course there's a slight chance that there might not be a 2008 election (nuclear winter, asteroid impact, etc), the chance that there won't be a 2048 election is exponentially higher. Of course, all that aside even, the difference is, as WP:NOT says, preparation is already underway for the 2008 Presidential election, and there has been much talk and discussion over it. I really hope you're not serious. –ArmadniGeneral (talk • contribs) 21:01, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete/Comment. In accordance with WP:NOT. Plus, just curious, why would the 2048 Election be held in 2008? Am I missing something? –ArmadniGeneral (talk • contribs) 20:56, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Wolfpackfan, the article would not be anything substantial for 43 years, it is not the same as an article like U.S. Presidential election, 2008. --Revolución (talk) 20:59, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * User:Wolfpackfan72: I am very serious, Our country has been around for more than 200 years, In that time we have faced: Two wars w/ britan, a civl war, the KKK, the Nazis, the Japeniees, the USSR, Comuniist China, The Great depreession, a terroriset attack, and even Bill Clinton!
 * User:Wolfpackfan72: And you must really all be from France. Your acting like the USA will not live on forever, your just being silly.
 * Delete it seems to me more than the crystal ball argument, there is a notability concern There is simply nothing of note to say about this.  I say delete because it can have no meaningful content.  (Darn edit conflict, now I'm just a sheep voter :) --best, kevin  · · · Kzollman | Talk · · · 21:15, 2 October 2005 (UTC) (Oh, sorry. I'll move my remark after yours so I'll look like the sheep. Dpbsmith (talk) 21:18, 2 October 2005 (UTC))
 * Delete per nominator. Referring to Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, I note that preparation for the event is not already in progress, therefore the present-day preparation for the event is not a verifiable or otherwise encyclopedic topic. There is not a large quantity of notable, verifiable speculation about the event, so speculation about the event is not a verifiable or otherwise encyclopedic topic. This article fits the description of "individual items from a predetermined list or a systematic pattern of names, preassigned to future events..." which "are not suitable article topics, if only generic information is known about the item." In this case, only generic information is' known about the item. Dpbsmith (talk) 21:14, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * User:Wolfpackfan72: This is just silly, If I want to write an artical about somthing I know alot about I should be alowed to. And I'm sure other people are intrested as weel.
 * How the hell is it possible for you to "know alot about" an election in 2048? --Revolución (talk) 22:03, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * User:Wolfpackfan72:I found it! The smoking gun! Evreyone, check the 2008 artical, now go back in the history to the earlyist entry. It was posted in MARCH 2004, when the "event was not in progress", no one complained then.
 * User:Wolfpackfan72:Oh thanks, I changed it to 2048:-)
 * User:Wolfpackfan72:I'm takeing a bath. And remember, VOTE MATTHEW OVERBY 2048 and 2056!
 * Strong delete, WP:NOT a crystal ball, and the author seems to be going crazy with the vanity in this AfD. --Idont Havaname 22:00, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * User:Wolfpackfan72:I'm going to youth group
 * Delete - I have it on good information that, after the War of 2027 and the disasterous Flibbertygibbet of 2040, the U.S. will switch to off-year elections, so the nearest elections will be held in 2046 and 2050, respectively. Cheers! -- BD2412 talk 22:19, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete this gentle joke. Gtabary 22:46, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, silly. User:Zoe|(talk) 22:49, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Junk --JAranda | yeah 23:30, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Many of the "key candidates" for the office will not even be born yet. Zach (Sound Off) 00:06, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I would disagree, the election is only 43 years (and one month) off. The youngest person to ever be president was Teddy Roosevelt, at 42. (Kennedy, at 43, was the youngest ever elected.) So, most of them have probably been born, and are working their way up through the ranks of the neighborhood playground. :) –ArmadniGeneral (talk • contribs) 02:56, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * KEEP (Unsigned, by User:Wolfpackfan72)
 * Delete. I'm not from France, but o, how I wish I were! Xoloz 06:06, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * French Delete per nom — Lomn | Talk / RfC 13:16, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

How? You were asking how could your article have been discovered so quickly?

Matthew, it's impossible to make a change to an article on Wikipedia without having it instantly show up on the "Recent Changes" list. And it's impossible to make a new article without having it instantly show up on the "New Articles" list. And it's impossible to make a change to an article without instantly having your name (or IP) show up in the article history, even if you didn't sign your name; that's how we know you're the one who tried to vote anonymously to keep the "2048 Presidential Election" article.

We keep track of these things, Matthew.

You're welcome to contribute more articles, but don't be silly, okay? DS 18:35, 3 October 2005 (UTC)Wolfpackfan72 19:44, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Matthew Overby hey, this is wolfpackfan72, I didn't try to not sign my name, I'm a fairly new user and I simply didn't know how to. also, I was not being silly, I think the artical was compleatly ligit, people seem to think that things that are a long time away can't be speculated on. It hurt my feelings to hear that you think I would ingage in vandelism. Please write back, however, you seem like a nice guy.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DragonflySixtyseven" Wolfpackfan72 19:52, 3 October 2005 (UTC) Signing your name Ah, hey. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, Matthew - I was trying to be friendly, but firm - and just so you know, it's a good idea to always sign your name when you leave a comment. You do that by typing Wolfpackfan72 19:52, 3 October 2005 (UTC) - that's the "tilde" symbol, four times in a row. If you're a registered user, that creates your signature. If you have IRC, you can join channel #wikipedia on irc.freenode.net and ask for someone to help you out directly; I'd go there to see if I can help you out in person, but I'm a bit busy right now writing some stuff on a deadline. DS 19:40, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Wolfpackfan72" Wolfpackfan72 19:52, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above. My vote probably isn't needed at this point but this one's simply too entertaining to not be a part of. 23skidoo 21:23, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I am hearby withdrawing my artical in soupport of democracy. But let these words ring loud and clear:"I AM NOT A CROOK" also let me quote Howerd Dean I'n saying "YYYYEEEEAAAAGGGG" Sincerly, Wolfpackfan72 23:20, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Delete After Nehemiah Scudder wins in the U.S. Presidential election, 2012 we don't have any elections until the 22nd century. Caerwine 03:09, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Jorge Ubico

A parody of Ubico.

The article reads more like a hit piece in an undergraduate Marxist newspaper than a reference article. Ubico was actually a very complex figure (a mixture of good and bad) - going round on his motorcycle (sometimes alone) "doing justice" (as he viewed it).5.66.137.182 (talk) 09:00, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Untitled
I'm not sure what the defining attributes for "stubs" are but I've added a fairly complete summary for Jorge. I'd take the "stub" line off but I'm not sure about it. Neospooky 20:38, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

My history class is doing an Wikipedia project in which we are expanding the "Ten Years of Spring" or the Guatemalan Revolution. Editing the Jorge Ubico article was my responsibility and more information on the Revolution will follow. --Brad84 19:23, 14 April 2006 (UTC) Using the rather biased "Ten Years of Spring" term for the decade of leftist rule in Guatemala tells readers all we need to know about you. Would you not be happier in El Salvador or Nicaragua (both under the rule of Marxists for some years now) than in Guatemala?5.66.137.182 (talk) 09:03, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Some of these claims about Ubico's personality need citations; what authority states that he "always had to be doing something," etc.? Varlokkur 20:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect Information
Ubico was not the last dictator before the democratically elected Arevalo. Not only does that section have no citations, it is incorrect and needs to be fixed. There are several sections that the information is not cited as well and it is questionable about how correct they are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.11.120.85 (talk) 12:50, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Date of birth
The date of birth in the head of the article doesn't match the date under the photograph. I don't feel competent to correct that, so if any of you could, it would definitely look better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.145.129.116 (talk) 22:04, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Plagiarism
The early life section bears a remarkable resemblance to an early life section of a page on Ubico in the New World Encyclopedia. Clearly, someone plagiarized someone. I am not sure what the system is for dealing with this. Could someone who does know what to do clear this up?

The section from the New World Encyclopedia page:

"Born to Arturo Ubico Urruela, a lawyer and politician of the Guatemalan liberal party who was also a wealthy landowner. President Justo Rufino Barrios was Ubico's godfather. Jorge Ubico was sheltered for most of his childhood. He was privately tutored and attended school in Guatemala's most prestigious institutions as well as receiving further education abroad in the United States and Europe.

By 1897, Ubico received his commission into the Guatemalan army as second lieutenant, which was largely a reflection of his political ties, since he had failed to graduate from the military academy. In 1906, he took part in the a border war with El Salvadore. He rose rapidly through the ranks. He was one of the first Guatemalans to receive military training in the U.S. By the age of 28, he had the rank of colonel. A year later, he was made military governor (jefe politico) of the province of Alta Verapaz (1907-09), followed four years later as governor of Retalhuleu (1911-1919). During his tenure, he oversaw improvements in public works, the school system, public health, and youth organizations. In 1918, he drained swamps, ordered fumigation and distributed free medicine to combat a yellow fever epidemic,[1] and won the praise of Major General William C. Gorgas, who had done the same in Panama. It was as head of the National Sanitary Commission in the fight against yellow fever that he established a reputation as an efficient administrator. However, his reputation also came from his harsh but effective punishment of banditry and smuggling across the Mexican border. He returned to Guatemala City in 1921, to participate in a coup that installed General José Orellana into presidency. Under Orellana, he reached the rank of Secretary of War in 1922, and also served as an ambassador to the U.S. In 1926, after the death of President Orellana, Ubico ran unsuccessfully for president as the candidate of the Political Progressive Party. He temporarily retired to his farm until the next election."

Source: http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Jorge_Ubico#President_of_Guatemala_.281931-44.29

Compare this to our early life section, and my reason for claiming plagiarism will become apparent. Clearly, the early life section has been edited extensively, so many differences between the two versions now exist, but there are still many identical sentences and phrases. This makes Wikipedia look bad and should be dealt with.Markshark98 (talk) 23:21, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

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"His Excellency"
Why this submissive "His Excellency" in the boxes of (mostly dead) Guatemalan Presidents? It is unworthy of a democratic readership and out of place in an objective, informative medium. Moreover, if the President actually happened to be a dictator, any reverential title is bound to be ridiculous at best.

"Compared himself to Hitler"
The introduction says that he compared himself to Hitler. This is undoubtedly false. Ubico had a very low opinion of Hitler, deriding him as a "peasant." He did, however, admire Mussolini and Franco (his regime was the first or second to recognize Franco's regime, and he and Mussolini exchanged decorations, although Ubico returned his after the attack on Pearl Harbor). Josh (talk) 20:12, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The cited source, which is academic, says as much. He is even quoted saying "I am like Hitler. I execute first and ask questions later."--C.J. Griffin (talk) 23:05, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Jorge Ubico
±Ok to start of Ubico was born in November 10, 1878, Guatemala City, Guatemala And died June 14, 1946, New Orleans, LA. Let me tell you the story in which he was in. It was about an factory( United Fruits) and they were greedy. you may thing that Ubico saved the day but that wasn't it. He actually what the antagonist. He helped United Fruits. SO the person who started United fruit was Lorenzo Baker. He was sailing on the seas and had a big leak in his boat. But thankfully he made it to the nearest island Jamaica. The jamaican people where okay with them landing there.While he was there he discovered these bright beautiful plants. THe banana. He want to taste them and they filled his mouth with an amazing flavor. He loved them so much he brought miners there and gathered tons of bananas. Luckily the Jamaicans where okay with it because I wouldn't. A stranger landing on my island tacking our food. Ya I wouldn't like that. SO he started the bisnes United fruit which was all about bananas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.144.134.202 (talk) 17:54, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

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Hornchurch F.C.

Hornchurch Football Club is a football club based in Upminster, England. They are currently members of the and play at the Hornchurch Stadium.

1881 club
The first Hornchurch Football Club was founded in October 1881. Based at Grey Towers, they played a dozen matches in their first season. The club finished the season with a 7 shilling deficit, albeit thanks to a late half-guinea donation from Joseph Fry. The club was a founder member of the Essex Football Association in 1882, and entered the FA Cup in 1882–83. Drawn at home to Great Marlow in the first round, the visitors won 2–0, with their inexperience being shown up by not appealing for offside against the first goal until after kicking off again, preventing the referee from considering it.

By the end of the 1882–83 season, the club had 40 members, and enough players for a second team. However, for the club's second FA Cup entry, drawn again at home to Great Marlow in the first round, they only started with 10 players, with some of the better players not turning up. The visitors this time won 9–0, R.A. Lunnon scoring a double hat trick. By the start of the 1885–86 season, the club was bankrupt, with a debt of £22, and had been wound up; a new football club, Hornchurch Wanderers, was formed instead.

1923 club
The current club was established in 1923 as Upminster Wanderers. They joined the Romford League, which they remained members of until moving up to Division Two East of the Spartan League in 1938, at which point the club adopted the name Upminster Football Club. After spending the 1945–46 season back in the Romford League, winning the league title and the Essex Junior Cup, the club returned to the lower divisions of the Spartan League the following season. The club were promoted to the Premier Division of the league in 1950–51, but left to join the Delphian League in 1952, at which point another name change (this time due to a move to the Hornchurch Stadium) saw them become Hornchurch & Upminster.

Hornchurch & Upminster were Delphian League runners-up in 1958–59, after which the club transferred to the Athenian League. In 1961 they were renamed Hornchurch Football Club. The Athenian League was expanded in 1963, with Hornchurch becoming members of the Premier Division. They were relegated to Division One after finishing bottom of the Premier Division in 1965–66, but won the Division One title the following season to make an immediate return to the Premier Division. The yo-yoing between divisions continued as they were relegated again in 1967–68, promoted from Division One after finishing third in 1970–71, and then relegated again at the end of the 1972–73 season.

In 1975 Hornchurch transferred to Division Two of the Isthmian League, which was renamed Division One in 1977. The club were relegated to Division Two at the end of the 1977–78 season saw them relegated to Division Two. In 1980–81 they were Division Two runners-up, earning promotion to Division One. League restructuring led to the club being placed in Division Two North for the 1986–87 season, before another reorganisation in 1991 saw them moved to Division Three. In 2001–02 the club were Division Three runners-up and were promoted to Division One.

Hornchurch went on to finish as runners-up in Division One North in 2002–03 and were promoted to the Premier Division. The 2003–04 season saw the club reach the first round of the FA Cup for the first time. After beating Third Division Darlington 2–0 in the first round, they lost 1–0 to Tranmere Rovers in the second. A fifth-place finish in the Premier Division that season (despite a 10-point deduction for going into administration) was also enough for the club to earn a place in the new Conference South. Their first season in the Conference South saw them reach the FA Cup first round again. However, shortly before the match the entire squad was released due to financial problems. With several debutants and youth players, the team lost the match against Boston United 5–2, and subsequently folded the season, the club folded.

2005 reformation
The club was quickly reformed under the name AFC Hornchurch, and were placed in the Essex Senior League (three levels below the Conference South) by the Football Association on 19 May. In their first season they won the league, as well as the League Cup and the Gordon Brasted Memorial Trophy. Promoted to Division One North of the Isthmian League, the club won that division in 2006–07 to earn promotion to the Premier Division. In 2007–08 AFC Hornchurch finished fourth in the Premier Division, qualifying for the promotion play-offs, in which they were beaten 3–1 by AFC Wimbledon in the semi-finals. The 2008–09 saw the club finish sixth, missing out on the play-offs. They also reached the first round of the FA Cup, losing 1–0 at home to Peterborough United. Although they entered administration in May 2009, the club managed to survive. After a ninth-placed finish in 2009–10 and coming tenth in 2010–11, they were runners-up in 2011–12, qualifying for the play-offs. Following a 3–1 win over Bury Town in the semi-finals, they defeated Lowestoft Town 2–1 in the final, earning promotion to the Conference South.

Their first season in the Conference South saw AFC Hornchurch finish 20th, resulting in relegation back to the Isthmian League Premier Division. The 2013–14 resulted in a fifth-placed finish and qualification for the promotion play-offs. In a repeat of the 2011 final, they faced Lowestoft Town following a 1–0 win over Kingstonian in the semi-finals. On this occasion, they lost 3–0 to the Suffolk club. The following season saw them finish 23rd out of 24 clubs in the Premier Division and relegation to Division One North. They finished fifth in 2015–16, again qualifying for the promotion play-offs. After beating Thurrock 2–0 in the semi-final, they were beaten 3–1 by Harlow Town. In 2016–17 a fourth-place finish led to another playoff campaign, with the club losing 1–0 to Thurrock in the semi-finals.

AFC Hornchurch were champions of the renamed North Division in 2017–18, earning promotion back to the Premier Division. At the end of the following season they were renamed Hornchurch Football Club. In 2020–21 the club won the FA Trophy for the first time, defeating Hereford 3–1 in the final. They finished the league season in fourth place, going on to beat Enfield Town 3–2 in the play-off semi-finals before losing the final 3–2 to Cheshunt. The club were Premier Division runners-up the 2022–23, again entering the play-offs. After beating Cray Wanderers 4–2 on penalties after a 3–3 draw in the semi-finals, they lost 1–0 to Aveley in the final. The following season the club Premier Division champions, earning promotion to the National League South.

Honours

 * FA Trophy
 * Winners 2020–21
 * Isthmian League
 * Premier Division champions 2023–24
 * Division One North champions 2006–07, 2017–18
 * Athenian League
 * Division One champions 1966–67
 * Essex Senior League
 * Champions 2005–06
 * League Cup winners 2005–06
 * Gordon Brasted Memorial Trophy winners 2005–06
 * Romford League
 * Champions 1945–46
 * Essex Junior Cup
 * Winners 1945–46

Records

 * Best FA Cup performance: Second round, 2003–04
 * Best FA Trophy performance: Winners, 2020–21
 * Best FA Vase performance: Fifth round,1974–75

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Flooey Xavier McBob is a pseudonym. Flooey is a graduate student at Columbia University, a player of GemStone IV and World of Warcraft, and a computer programmer.

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Marilyn Miller

Marilyn Miller (born Mary Ellen Reynolds; September 1, 1898 – April 7, 1936) was one of the most popular Broadway musical stars of the 1920s and early 1930s. She was an accomplished tap dancer, singer and actress, and the combination of these talents endeared her to audiences. On stage, she usually played rags-to-riches Cinderella characters who lived happily ever after. She died suddenly from complications of nasal surgery at age 37.

Early life
Marilyn Miller was born in 1898 in Evansville, Indiana, the youngest daughter of Edwin D. Reynolds, a telephone lineman, and his first wife, the former Ada Lynn Thompson. The tiny, delicately featured blonde was only four years old when she debuted in the role of Mademoiselle Sugarlump at Lakeside Park in Dayton, Ohio, performing as a member of her family's vaudeville act, named The Columbian Trio. That act, which included her stepfather Oscar Caro Miller and her older sisters Ruth and Claire, was renamed the Five Columbians after she and her mother joined the routine. From their home base in Findlay, Ohio, the five toured the Midwest and Europe for ten years and managed to skirt the child labor authorities until Lee Shubert discovered Miller at the Lotus Club in London in 1914.

Career

Miller appeared in New York City for the Shuberts in the 1914 and 1915 editions of The Passing Show, a Broadway revue at the Winter Garden Theatre, as well as in The Show of Wonders (1916) and Fancy Free (1918). It was, however, Florenz Ziegfeld who made her a star after she performed in his Ziegfeld Follies of 1918 in Manhattan at the New Amsterdam Theatre on 42nd Street, with music by Irving Berlin. Sharing billing with Eddie Cantor, Will Rogers and W. C. Fields, she brought the house down with her impersonation of Billie Burke, Ziegfeld's wife, in a number titled "Mine Was a Marriage of Convenience."

Miller followed as a headliner in the Follies of 1919, dancing to Berlin's "Mandy" and reputedly became Ziegfeld's mistress, though this was never proven. She attained legendary status in the Ziegfeld production Sally (1920) with music by Jerome Kern, especially for her performance of Kern's "Look for the Silver Lining". The musical, about a dishwasher who joins the Follies and marries a millionaire, ran 570 performances at the New Amsterdam. In 1921, the still-obscure Dorothy Parker memorialized her performance in verse:

From the alley's gloom and chill / Up to fame danced Sally. / Which was nice for her, but still / Rough upon the alley. / How it must regret her wiles. / All her ways and glances. / Now the theatre owns her smiles, / Sallies, songs, and dances. ...

After a rift with Ziegfeld, Miller signed with rival producer Charles Dillingham and starred as Peter Pan in a 1924 Broadway revival, then as a circus queen in Sunny (1925), with music by Kern and lyrics by Oscar Hammerstein. A box-office smash, it featured the classic "Who?" and made her the highest-paid star on Broadway. In 1928, after reuniting with Ziegfeld, she starred in his production of the successful George Gershwin musical Rosalie, then in Smiles (1930) with Fred Astaire, one of Ziegfeld's rare box-office failures.

Miller's movie career was short-lived and less successful than her stage career. She made only three films: adaptations of Sally (1929), Sunny (1930), and Her Majesty, Love (1931), with W. C. Fields. Her last Broadway show, marking a major comeback, was the innovative 1933-1934 Irving Berlin/Moss Hart musical As Thousands Cheer, in which she appeared in the production number "Easter Parade."

Miller's last professional outing was her appearance in As Thousands Cheer. In 1936, she quit the show after her boyfriend and future husband Chester O'Brien – a chorus dancer who served as the production's second assistant stage manager – was fired for allowing the Woolworth department store heir Jimmy Donahue to sneak onstage during a scene in which Miller was impersonating his cousin, the heiress Barbara Hutton. After her death, this incident gave Irving Berlin the inspiration for a film musical On the Avenue, for which he received a script credit in addition to writing the songs.

At the time of her death, Miller was described as being in retirement.

Origin of stage name
Miller's last name was adopted from her stepfather's surname, Oscar Caro Miller. In contrast, her first name was formed by combining her birth name, Mary, with her mother's middle name, Lynn. Initially calling herself Marilynn, she would drop one "n" at the urging of Florenz Ziegfeld.

In the late 1940s, Norma Jeane Baker (née Mortenson) changed her name to Marilyn Monroe at the urging of Ben Lyon, a one-time actor turned casting director at 20th Century Fox, who said she reminded him of Miller – he had played Miller's love interest in Her Majesty, Love. Monroe was named Marilyn Miller when she married the playwright Arthur Miller in 1956.

Engagements and marriages

Miller was married to:
 * Frank Carter, an actor and acrobatic dancer, whom she married on May 24, 1919, at the Church of the Ascension in New York City. He was killed in a car accident in Cumberland, Maryland on May 9, 1920. He was portrayed by Gordon MacRae in the Miller biopic Look for the Silver Lining and by Walter Willison in Ziegfeld: The Man and His Women.
 * Jack Pickford, an actor and the brother of film star Mary Pickford. They were married in 1922, separated in 1926, and divorced in Versailles, France, in November 1927. By all accounts, it was an abusive marriage due to Pickford's substance abuse (both alcohol and hard drugs). Miller had attempted to secure a divorce in the Paris courts in the spring of 1927, but her published comments about how easy it would be to end her marriage in France "stirred the ire of the Paris Tribunal with the result that the court would take no action on Miss Miller's petition". She filed for divorce the following July in the nearby city of Versailles, whose tribunal eventually ended the marriage.
 * Jack Donohue, a dancer who went on to become a successful director and choreographer in theater, films, and television. He should not be confused with Jack Donahue, who appeared with Miller in Sunny and Rosalie.
 * Chester O'Brien, a chorus dancer, whom Miller married on October 4, 1934, in Harrison, New York. Several years older than him, she reportedly spent more than $56,000 on him during their brief time together. He, who later was known professionally as Chet O'Brien, became a stage manager for Broadway productions, including Brigadoon and Finian's Rainbow. He also was the stage manager and an actor on Sesame Street from the premiere of the show in 1969 until 1992.

In 1930, Miller briefly was engaged to Michael Farmer, who later became a husband of Gloria Swanson. In 1932, she announced her intention to marry Don Alvarado, but the wedding did not occur.

Illnesses, alcoholism, and death
Miller had a long history of sinus infections, and her health was compromised by an increasing dependence on alcohol. According to reports, shortly before her death, she entered a New York hospital in early March 1936 to recover from a nervous breakdown. Three weeks later, however, she developed a toxic condition and died from complications following surgery on her nasal passages at age 37 in New York City on the morning of April 7, 1936.

Miller's funeral was held at Saint Bartholomew Church on Park Avenue, which drew 2,500 people, including former mayor Jimmy Walker, Beatrice Lillie, and Billie Burke. The procession led to Woodlawn Cemetery in the Bronx, where Miller was buried.

Memorials
A statue of Miller, in the title role of Sunny, can still be seen atop the former I. Miller (no relation) Shoe Company Building at 1552 Broadway, in Times Square, Manhattan. It is one of four sculpted by Alexander Stirling Calder between 1927 and 1929 for the building's facade, representing famous theatrical professionals of the time. In 2013, after years of neglect, the building and statues were restored.

One of the poems in Patti Smith's 1972 book Seventh Heaven is titled "Marilyn Miller."

Biographies (film and print)
In 1949, a sanitized biopic, appropriately titled Look for the Silver Lining, starred June Haver as Miller. She was portrayed by Judy Garland in Till the Clouds Roll By, MGM's biopic of Jerome Kern. In 1978, the story of her turbulent relationship with Ziegfeld was portrayed in the Emmy-winning made-for-TV biopic Ziegfeld: The Man and His Women, starring Pamela Peadin as Miller, Paul Shenar as Ziegfeld, and Walter Willison as Frank Carter. Rare film footage of Miller in the 1929 film version of Sally can also be seen in the 2004 PBS documentary series Broadway, the American Musical.

In the only published biography of Miller, The Other Marilyn (1985), author Warren G. Harris describes her as "Ziegfeld's most dazzling star" and the premier musical comedy star of the Jazz Age. He adds, "She had rivals who may have been better dancers, singers, actresses, or mimics, but no one individual could equal her when it came to combining all those talents."

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Downstream processing

Downstream processing refers to the recovery and the purification of biosynthetic products, particularly pharmaceuticals, from natural sources such as animal tissue, plant tissue or fermentation broth, including the recycling of salvageable components as well as the proper treatment and disposal of waste. It is an essential step in the manufacture of pharmaceuticals such as antibiotics, hormones (e.g. insulin and human growth hormone), antibodies (e.g. infliximab and abciximab) and vaccines; antibodies and enzymes used in diagnostics; industrial enzymes; and natural fragrance and flavor compounds. Downstream processing is usually considered a specialized field in biochemical engineering, which is itself a specialization within chemical engineering. Many of the key technologies were developed by chemists and biologists for laboratory-scale separation of biological and synthetic products, whilst the role of biochemical and chemical engineers is to develop the technologies towards larger production capacities.

Downstream processing and analytical bioseparation both refer to the separation or purification of biological products, but at different scales of operation and for different purposes. Downstream processing implies manufacture of a purified product fit for a specific use, generally in marketable quantities, while analytical bioseparation refers to purification for the sole purpose of measuring a component or components of a mixture, and may deal with sample sizes as small as a single cell.

Stages
A widely recognized heuristic for categorizing downstream processing operations divides them into four groups which are applied in order to bring a product from its natural state as a component of a tissue, cell or fermentation broth through progressive improvements in purity and concentration.

Removal of insolubles is the first step and involves the capture of the product as a solute in a particulate-free liquid, for example the separation of cells, cell debris or other particulate matter from fermentation broth containing an antibiotic. Typical operations to achieve this are filtration, centrifugation, sedimentation, precipitation, flocculation, electro-precipitation, and gravity settling. Additional operations such as grinding, homogenization, or leaching, required to recover products from solid sources such as plant and animal tissues, are usually included in this group.

Product isolation is the removal of those components whose properties vary considerably from that of the desired product. For most products, water is the chief impurity and isolation steps are designed to remove most of it, reducing the volume of material to be handled and concentrating the product. Solvent extraction, adsorption, ultrafiltration, and precipitation are some of the unit operations involved.

Product purification is done to separate those contaminants that resemble the product very closely in physical and chemical properties. Consequently, steps in this stage are expensive to carry out and require sensitive and sophisticated equipment. This stage contributes a significant fraction of the entire downstream processing expenditure. Examples of operations include affinity, size exclusion, reversed phase chromatography, ion-exchange chromatography, crystallization and fractional precipitation.

Product polishing describes the final processing steps which end with packaging of the product in a form that is stable, easily transportable and convenient. Crystallization, desiccation, lyophilization and spray drying are typical unit operations. Depending on the product and its intended use, polishing may also include operations to sterilize the product and remove or deactivate trace contaminants which might compromise product safety. Such operations might include the removal of viruses or depyrogenation.

A few product recovery methods may be considered to combine two or more stages. For example, expanded bed adsorption (Vennapusa et al. 2008) accomplishes removal of insolubles and product isolation in a single step. Affinity chromatography often isolates and purifies in a single step.

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Grotesque (band)

Grotesque was a Swedish death metal/black metal band.

History
The band formed in Gothenburg, Sweden in September 1988 by former members of Conquest: Kristian Wåhlin (Necrolord) and Per Nordgren (Virgintaker), with the addition of Tomas Lindberg (Goatspell). The band was, however, short-lived and recorded a few demos and an EP. The band's original drummer Shamaatae formed the black metal band Arckanum in 1993. After the demise of Grotesque, Lindberg and Svensson started At the Gates, while Necrolord created his own band Liers in Wait and focused more on creating artwork for several bands including Dissection and Emperor. In 1996, three members—Goatspell, Necrolord, and Offensor—got back together and recorded two songs for the release of a compilation album, which was later re-released as a split album with At the Gates EP Gardens of Grief.

Grotesque briefly reformed in 2007 for a single invite-only concert on January 26 in Stockholm, to celebrate the publication of Daniel Ekeroth's book Swedish Death Metal. Nirvana 2002 and Interment also reunited for the concert.

Members

 * Tomas Lindberg (Goatspell) - Vocals (1988–1990, 1996, 2007)
 * Kristian Wåhlin (Necrolord) - Guitar (1988–1990, 1996, 2007)
 * Insultor - Guitar (2007)
 * Per Nordgren (Virgintaker) - Bass (1988, 2007)
 * Tomas Eriksson (Offensor) - Drums (1989–1990, 1996, 2007)

Former members

 * Alf Svensson - Guitar (1990)
 * Nuctemeron - Bass (1988–1989)
 * Shamaatae - Drums (1988–1989)

Discography

 * Ripped from the Cross (demo, 1988)
 * The Black Gate Is Closed (demo, 1989)
 * Incantation (EP, 1990)
 * In the Embrace of Evil (compilation, 1996)

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Talk:Terence Young (politician)

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''Young was part of the "Family Values Caucus", (OK whoever is changing this the last few days - you are wrong. The term social conservative is derogatory in use and is a way the left ( you?) attempt to marginalize conservatives. The term has been poisened just as right wing has been poisened. I am neither. I spoke out against a book that was never read by any of the trustees on Halton School board and was to many parents obscene, but the issue was that the parents of minors were ignored when they asked the board to omit this book in grade twelve English studies. I spoke out for parent's rights to protect their minor children from books they felt were obscene and far too violent. That's the truth. I protest this slanted description and appeal that it be changed. It all seems to be based on one article in Now Magazine - the voice of the Left in Toronto and a group of editors very opposed to conservatism. I do not know who is writing this stuff, and I find this sight difficult to use, so please consider this my appeal/protest against this slanted writing. I want an opportunity to have this reveiwed or mediated/arbitrated to correct this material. Many thanks. Terence Young at youngt.policyalliance@cogeco.ca''

My responses:

(i) Whatever your intentions, your last edit was an act of vandalism.

(ii) Wikipedia generally discourages public figures from editing their own biography pages.

(iii) "Social conservatism" is a commonly accepted phrase in Canadian political discourse, and is normally used in a descriptive rather than a pejorative sense. I had never seen or heard the term described as derogatory prior to your last edit.

(iv) If you wish to change the current edit, there is a more productive way of doing this than blanking the section or writing a first-person defense: you may provide greater context for the disputed passage. By removing it entirely, you appear to be concealing information.

(v) Concerning specifics: by your own admission, you were a member of a "family values" group in the PC caucus. By any sensible definition, this group was socially conservative in nature; moreover, its marginalization by the Harris government has been widely acknowledged and commented on. (Sean Conway once made this point during a panel discussion on TVOntario's Fourth Reading -- crediting Harris with keeping the socially conservative wing of his party under control).

The NOW article is the best summarization of the family-values Tory group that I've seen, but its existence and marginalization is not simply a creation of the Toronto left. CJCurrie 20:58, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Terrance, you can't edit this article, it violates Wikipedia's policy on no autobiographies. --[[Image:Ottawa flag.png|20px]] Spinboy 04:01, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Technically, the policy doesn't forbid people from contributing to their own bio-pages -- it just discourages it, and advises extreme caution when it does occur. In any case, this wasn't the main point at issue.  CJCurrie 04:49, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * The information is not inaccurate, and it is not biased. Furthermore, the subject of an article does not have the right to control what can or cannot be written about him on Wikipedia unless the information is factually wrong. Furthermore, the term "social conservatism" is not a creation of the left; it is used just as much to differentiate between "social conservatives" and "fiscal conservatives" within a conservative context. Bearcat 17:47, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Spinboy. Bearcat and CJCurrie

 * Gentlemen/ladies - whomever you are:

 * First of all you have me at advantage. You know who I am. I have no idea who you are. You are all faceless to me. If any of you wish to identify yourself that would be appreciated. I have some serious concerns about your project and the way you create it as follows:

 * Second, you are anonymous. This lacks accountabilty. You seem to think its OK for you to write whatever you want about public figures in a public forum anonymously. I find this cowardly and unethical. You either stand behind your words or you don't. If you do, tell me who you are. If you don't, your words are nothing more than electronic graffitti.

 * For the record I want to appeal this article to whatever body accepts such appeals.

 * Third I have never commiteed vandalism in my life. I suggest you retract that remark. And while you are at it, ask yourself if graffitti is vandalism. Because if someone wrote something untrue about me in spray paint on a fence, I would go out of my way to wash it off. So who is the vandal?

 * I wish to correct this public record I am at a disadvantage because I am not trained on your system. I find it awkward. It takes my valuable time up to attempt to uncover the response. I just today uncovered your notes. Thus this late reply.

 * With respect you are amateurs meddling in what amounts to journalism. You want to create the public record but make up your own rules or 'policy'. Well, society already has rules about what you can say and imply and what you can't about people. People have right to protect their reputation. You can't just hit and run - or hide anonymously.

 * Your polictial bias - against your own rules - reeks through the words you have written about me. For example despite you saying you have never heard the term "social conservative" used in the pejorative sense. Your lack of understanding of politics and modern journalism shines through. Any professional journalist can tell you that "right Wing" and "social conservative" are used widely by the leftist writers as pejorative terms. Liberal writers do everything they can to marginalize conservatives - and imply they are somehow connected or admire 'right wing' leaders (Pinochet or Hitler or whomever else that term brings to mind)
 * I am no right winger in any sense. Your biog paints me as one. In modern times "social conservative" has come to mean "anti-gay", and intolerant. I am neither and that's why I want it removed.

 * A comment on the "family values" caucus on TVO by Sean Conway, who had nothing to do with it and had no personal knowledge of it is no evidence on anything, let alone whether it was 'marginalized'. There was no 'socially conservative' wing of the Harris government. I was there. And our few meetings of the family issues caucus were never marginalized. Mike Harris tolerated a lot of dissent. He attended every causus meeting. He was a good listener. And he never interfered in Private Member's Bills. You guys are way off.

 * If you understood journalism you would know that it's not always what the writer says about someone that creates an unbalanced biography an damages a person's reputation, it's what they don't. You think because one writer in NOW magazine - a way left publication writes one nasty and inaccuarate piece about conservatives full of quotes with NO ATTRIBUTION that I'm sure his editors loved, it's OK for you to publish it on the interent forever? No one has any way of knowing if those quotes wre fabricated. That is not journalism. It's story telling. Without that biased and below-standards article, you have no basis for the paragraph I have once again just now deleted.

 * Gentlemen/ladies fight me on this if you will. But show your faces, and make sure your appeals process is arms length. Because if it isn't I will not participate.

 * Please consider this a legal caution on writing any more misleading material about me on your web site. You may face personal legal action if you do so again. You people can't just write anything you want about others and expect to never be challenged. When did that become OK? How would you like it is someone did that to you?

 * I await a contact from a real person - that is with a name and telephone number. Terence H. Young 905 842-5910 youngt.policyalliance@cogeco.ca
 * --Comment added by 24.141.125.32 (talk) 02:25, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

NPOV
We got a complaint from the subject of this article.

When stating classifications such as 'social conservative', contributors should attribute them to people or to groups of people. If this person is generally classified as a social conservative by most of the press, you should be able to find many citations saying so, from a wide variety of papers of different political biases. David.Monniaux 19:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

To Mr Young, if it's you: threatening legal action on other contributors to Wikipedia on Wikipedia talk pages will simply get you permanently banned from the site. David.Monniaux 19:42, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Added Multiple issues template with Repetition and Peacock subtemplates
I have just added this template. The Drug advocacy section seems to have repeated and redundant information that needs cleanup. And the same section as well as Federal politics section both read a bit too marketing like rather than encyclopedic. I will endeavour to improve on these issues in coming edits. I welcome anyone who might wish help so as to ensure a better outcome. --papageno (talk) 20:56, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

 * I have completed a major revision of the Drug advocacy section. User EncyclopediaUpdaticus (talk) has completed major revisions to the Provincial politics and to the Federal politics sections. The segments in the Federal politics section about marijuana previously added by Wikiwook96 (talk) need further review and polishing. However, I think the Multiple issues template with Repetition and Peacock subtemplates can now be removed. --papageno (talk) 03:28, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * ✅ Since there have been no objections raised in almost two months, I have removed the Repetition and Peacock templates and the enclosing Multiple issues template, leaving only the BLP template. The matter is closed. --papageno (talk) 02:59, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Comments purporting to come from subject of article
Dear papageno (talk). I have made factual corrections to my own biography. Someone (you?) said that I wanted to ban tobacco and alcohol, a ridiculous claim based on nothing. I have never and would never suggest that. The leftist political bias amongst your writers is just too much. But you could damage people's reputations. You should at least try to be unbiased. Terence Young. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.226.121.43 (talk) 03:44, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

 * Welcome Mr. Young.

 * No, I did not add the text commenting about tobacco etc.
 * 1) (You may wish to refer to the history of edits to the article about you here; that is how one can tell who has made which edits) Subsequent to the edits of 7 Sept to which you refer, other users made further edits to the paragraphs; I think the section reached a good state with the second of two by User:Patar_knight (talk) on 8 Sept. You made further edits on 21 September, which I have know reverted, as I they are are not Neutral point of view (by attempting to burnish the section in your favour), a core principle of Wikipedia.
 * 2) With gentle chiding, your comments about the political bias of commenters are regettable.
 * 3) You well know there is an election on, and I am sure can understand why any edits you make to the article will and should deserve scutiny. It would be highly desirable that you propose them here in the talk pages beforehand. You can then go to my talk page, click edit, and add this text to the bottom of my talk page: , and click save. I will get a message and will attempt to respond quickly.
 * 4) May I suggest it is critical you get a user account so that at the very least Wikipedia users can know that any changes you make and/or propose are in fact coming from you, instead of appearing as coming from an anonymous IP address. There may not be time right now, but a secondary task would be to get a staffer to read the policy Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. With more gentle chiding, it is astonishing that a sitting MP, standing for re-election, has not done these two things nine years after first commenting on his article talk page.
 * Regards, --papageno (talk) 04:12, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Repeated edits by anonymous user purporting to be the subject of the article
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Repeated edits by anonymous user likely Mr. Young or an insider
There have been a series of edits by an anonymous IP address user 24.226.97.221 (talk) likely to be Mr. Young or an insider. Whois shows the IP address still to be in the range of the cable internet provider, Cogeco, for the area where Mr. Young was MP and where he resides, and it is similar to IP addresses used previously by users purporting to be Mr. Young. The edits are again burnishing the article in Mr. Young's favour, contravening WP:NPOV, and adding unreferenced text. Given the suspicious nature, and past incidents and behaviours, any edits the user wishes to have made should be reviewed here in Talk first before they are published. Is there someone who can roll-back the edits wholesale? --papageno (talk) 03:11, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ The rollback has been made by User:Bearcat (talk). --papageno (talk) 05:11, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

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Ricker College

Ricker College was a small college located in Houlton, Maine, United States. It opened in 1848 and closed in 1978.

It began as Houlton Academy in 1848, before being subsequently renamed Ricker Classical Institute in 1887. It became Ricker Junior College in 1934 and operated as a four-year liberal arts college between that point and its closing in 1978.

The name "Ricker" was taken from Doctor Joseph Ricker, who was at the time the State Secretary of the Maine Baptist Convention.

As with many other small, private colleges in the US, Ricker College faced financial difficulties in the 1970s and was forced to close its Houlton campus in May 1978. Other off-campus programs in continuing education remained operational after the main campus's closing, but not at the collegiate level.

A branch of the University of Maine system, the University of Maine at Presque Isle Outreach at Houlton, holds classes in a newly renovated building on Military Street.

Notable alumni

 * Bob Davoli, venture capitalist
 * Paul Duffie, Canadian politician
 * Ira G. Hersey, politician
 * Henry L. Joy, politician
 * David Parks, photographer
 * Steve Shea, professional baseball player; pitcher with the Chicago Cubs, Houston Astros, and Montreal Expos
 * Roger Sherman, politician
 * Daniel Wathen, Chief Justice of the Maine Supreme Judicial Court
 * Charles P. Pray, politician
 * William E. Yerxa, educator and entrepreneur

Fraternities

 * Pi Lambda Phi, ME Kappa Beta
 * Tau Epsilon Phi, Phi Delta Upsilon

title: Ricker College


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Talk:Carl Steadman

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What no one's talking about carl anymore? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thisuser (talk • contribs) 20:41, 2 October 2005

What, Carl's not alive anymore? Bummer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TVshot (talk • contribs) 16:01, 21 February 2007

reverting back to my last version
I am reverting back to my last version because the image should not be used as a source as it could have been doctored. Find a credible source for the year of birth if you want it listed here. Also my source for being the operator of plastic.com stands because the current website lists him as the operator, and that should be taken as fact unless someone can demonstrate that he is not the operator. (Of course I am presuming that he is alive because no evidence to the contrary has been provided.) John Vandenberg 02:20, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

No evidence to the contrary?! Tell me, did you even bother to read my edit before you deleted it? TVshot 02:24, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

 * There is no evidence for your claim. It's as simple as that. -- zzuuzz(talk) 02:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I did. TVshot, you have presented no links, no evidence, nothing that indicates that anyone in the outside world believes Carl is dead.
 * Wikipedia is about verifyable information. Original research, which is what your conclusion is, is prohibited by policy.  If there's any magazine article or such out there indicating that Carl's dead, then find it and cite it.
 * You mentioned "truthiness" earlier and elsewhere. That is completely and absolutely against Wikipedia's reliable and verifyable source policies.  If that's how you want to operate, you have no place here.  If you want to work appropriately by WP:NOR and WP:RS then feel free to contribute.  Georgewilliamherbert 02:34, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Where are the reliable sources supporting the claim that he is alive? That sounds suspiciously like original research and truthiness to me, even more so because no one has produced a shred of evidence supporting it. Jayvdb, your page from 2002 does not count, as he died in 2005. Unless you can verify your claim, I contend that the word "is" in the first sentence of the article is unencyclopedic. It should be modified to express some doubt that this man is still living. TVshot 02:46, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The default assumption is that someone noticable hasn't just died on us without any warning or coverage anywhere in the press. Your other edits that Hans Reiser died are known to be vandalism.  Please knock it off - what you've done already is past the minimum level to just block you as a vandalism-only account.  Georgewilliamherbert 03:00, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

"Dead link" mark by Helpful Pixie Bot is incorrect
The “Dead link” mark put on the Placing link by Helpful Pixie Bot in the 2 August 2011 edit is not correct. The original Placing website used to redirect the visitor to a random page within Placing. The copy at archive.org does the same, except that an informative page is shown regarding the redirect. That doesn’t mean the link is dead. The archive.org copy is true to the original. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmbrosiaSnail (talk • contribs) 21:00, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

The "Your Pal, Carl" cookie
I've documented the history of the "Your Pal, Carl" cookie in a thread on Mastodon. I photographed my own surviving cookie, added it to Wikimedia, and added it here as dual-use portrait and illustration of Steadman's humor and work. MetaGrrrl (talk) 04:30, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:Carl Steadman