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Play Time or Playtime
The article has been moved. However, if I go to the Tati official site (http://www.tativille.com/), it is Playtime. So what is the best authority ? Tativille or IMDb ? Hektor 11:49, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

 * The best source would in fact be the title card from the film itself, which after a bit of research, I see reads Play Time. Fair enough if I move the page again? David L Rattigan 11:59, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

 * "Play Time" is free from any important links, so there is no danger of double-redirect. By the way, I have seen both versions used. When Arte presented all Tati's films 2 years ago, it was Playtime. In some prospectuses I see it as PlayTime. Maybe this was Tati's original intension and it was turned to Playtime. If you just capitalize the T, no redirect is needed. Hoverfish 14:20, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I think PlayTime with a capital "T" would be the worst possible solution, and probably anachronistic - I'm sure capitalizing letters in the middle of words like that is quite a recent development. David L Rattigan 14:49, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

The title of the film is definitely Play Time. David L Rattigan is correct. The title card from the film and the title card from the restoration information introduction both clearly say "Play Time". The published script also has the title that way. A Wikipedian should move this page back and create a redirect page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.136.42.118 (talk • contribs) 23:50, 28 October 2006

 * If you look at the edit history for "Play Time", apparently this page was moved to "Playtime" because that's how the official Jacques Tati website, http://www.tativille.com , spells it. It would be easy to move the page back to where it originally was, but... are we all in agreement then that this title card says "Play Time" and that the official website is incorrect?  Esn 02:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * How could an official web site be incorrect on such a thing ? It is managed by the family of Jacques Tati (Jérôme Deschamps and al.) ! Hektor 11:10, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * My opinion is that it should be Playtime, by the way, if this helps any. Hoverfish 12:07, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, an official website could be incorrect if the people running it simply didn't think it was very important whether it was "Play Time" or "Playtime". I'm sure they didn't think anybody would care this much!  If you look at the title in the film itself, though (it's the same as the one on the poster), it's quite clearly not "Playtime" because there's a capital "T" there.  "P" and "T" are capital letters, the rest are lowercase.  What's not so clear is whether there's a space before the "T".
 * Therefore, are two possible titles for this film, "PlayTime" or "Play Time". "Playtime" is demonstratably incorrect - the original film poster and the title within the film should take precedence over what the official website says.  How the film is named in film festivals doesn't matter - I've seen films misnamed quite often.  What does matter is what the original title was.  Esn 05:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The same problem seems to occur with later Play Time films, some list them as one word some as two. Whatever name is decided, the alternative naming should be mentioned up top. If it wasn't for the grammatical error I would insist in PlayTime, but you are right Esn in your reasoning. For me it's just a matter of how I have been used to refer to it, so, nothing encyclopedic about my opinion really. It is not all that important, but some decision must be taken, because it's very unpractical to keep changing the title. Hoverfish 12:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

 * The 5th reply said that the published script of the film spells it "Play Time". Now that would be conclusive proof if it's true, but where is there a published script of the film?  I thought Tati threw the script into the ruins of Tativille when it was demolished... Esn 12:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Esn, a couple of things. The published script that I saw in a film archive bibliography was not released by the filmmaker. I believe it was a transcribed version from the video done for educational purposes. There is not much dialogue in the film and it could not have been that difficult to do --- or that long! However, I disagree with you that it would be conclusive proof. If a film has title card then that is the title of the film. Sometimes it is difficult to infer things like punctuation or subtitles vs title fragments. But Play Time is clearly two capitalized words with a space. This is in ALL versions of the film print and all the extant video versions that I have seen. The title of this film is "Play Time". That is not contentious in my opinion. What matters is what the Wikipedia policy is on naming articles that have a film as their subject. If what matters is common use, there is an argument for using Playtime. If what matters is accuracy, there should be no debate. I think many people are uncomfortable emotionally with changing the name of something that they are used to calling by another name. There is still tremendous obstinacy about De Sica's "Bicycle Thieves" as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.102.226.147 (talk • contribs) 05:36, 30 December 2006
 * Bicycle Thieves is a different matter, because that film actually has an official English title, which is "The Bycicle Thief". It was never released under the name "Bicycle Thieves" in any English-speaking country.  "Play Time" was, so I think it's time to change the title. Esn 08:12, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

 * The pedant in me is forced to interject 'au contraire' Cop 633 14:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

 * I support "Play Time", but "Bicycle Thieves" was released in the UK under that name. You'd better get the facts right. 121.6.49.193 09:57, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Hmm, now that I look at it, I might've been a bit hasty. According to IMDB, the film was released as "Playtime" in the US, and it's true that the use of one word is far more natural for English-speakers than French-speakers.  Visually, too "Playtime" looks much nicer in a sentence than "Play Time".  Well, I guess the deed is done... Esn 08:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

The deed may be done at the moment, but the deed can still be undone... we can change it back. The film, for whatever reason and with whatever history behind it, is universally known in English as Playtime. And if anybody thinks the Wikipedia article should be leading a movement to try to have it be known as something else in the future, they have misunderstood what Wikipedia is about. I propose we change it back. --SethTisue 12:12, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Having lived thru this page being moved more than once and reading the various arguments I want to suggest a compromise that I have a feeling that neither side of the debate will like, but, is at least worth mentioning. In the next move why not think about nameing the page PlayTime. This acknowledges the strong leanings towards the one word title. It also allows for the fact that most of the publicity material for the film and the two Criterion Collection DVD releases have the letter T capitalized. I would just add that there is a precedent for this here at wikipedia, see the page for the British soap opera EastEnders wherein the 2nd E is capitalized the same way that it is in the shows credits. Having just watched the recent CC DVD release the capital T is used in the opening credits of the film and in the various excellent (sorry POV I know) extras that accompany the 2 disc set but it does usually look like it is one word not two. Whatever the final decision you may want to put a hidden message (like the one in the Audrey Hepburn infobox explaining why they don't want numerous films added to the notable roles section) on the main page telling editors to come to this talk page and read the consensus decision before attempting to move the page again. I have one question; should this discussion be moved to the filmproject page to get more feedback? Cheers to all. MarnetteD | Talk 20:33, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Jérôme Deschamps is not Tati's family, he is a half cousin of Tati's wife, he is of no relationship to the Tatischeff family. Deschamps claimed Tati's work when Sophie Tatischeff died. After her death Deschamps began actively promoting himself through the restorations of Tati's work. He had nothing to do with the original conception of any of his movies. Tati himself despised the Deschamps family. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.133.27.147 (talk) 18:17, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Jerome Deschamps association to Jacques Tati in his own words; “My mother’s German cousin was the wife of Jacques Tati”. That makes Jerome Deschamps the removed half cousin with no direct link to the Tatischeff family.

“Even if this is not a link of very close kinship, it is located that I am finally the only family remaining after the death in last October of Sophie Tatischeff”. This is a false claim proved by the article La postérité de M. Hulot

Jacq Tati's only living family, his eldest daughter and his only grandchildren now live in England http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004244/bio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.132.132 (talk) 05:06, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

i don't edit WP, but i thought i'd leave this here - http://lareviewofbooks.org/article.php?type=&id=1588&fulltext=1&media=#article-text-cutpoint - "I recently sent Rosenbaum an email asking why he, like most critics, invariably rendered the title Playtime, one word, despite its clear spelling as two in the main credits. Serendipitously, he was at work on a series of essays for a forthcoming book about Tati, and this exact discussion had been taking place with his editors. The official word from Tati’s estate had come back not long ago: the movie was to be referred to as PlayTime, a spelling I’d never seen. At least it’s a compromise, I wrote.

“I don’t consider it a compromise of any sort,” he replied, pointed as ever. “What arguably makes it better than either Playtime or Play Time is that it clarifies the fact that it isn’t an English title but one in franglais, which, as Tati clarified in interviews, was part of his point — a point that gets completely lost if you simply assume that it’s an English title, as most Americans do.”" 208.3.81.230 (talk) 18:42, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Citation Needed
Is there a citation of the Gilbert Adair quote toward the end of the article? It sounds suspiciously similar to Noel Burch in the Theory of Film Practice: [Tati's film] is the first in the history of cinema that not only must be seen several times, but also must be viewed from several different distances from the screen". Page 47 in the 1973 Secker and Warburg edition of Helen R. Lane's translation.

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Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 06:39, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Play Time → Playtime – It may be stylized as PlayTime, but it is one word (like Goodfellas), and in running text is referred to as Playtime. Also, playtime tati gets many more Google hits than "play time" tati. Film Fan (talk) 10:06, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Support the move but not to using the lower case "t". I also support using the stylized version as the opening credits - the posters - and the DVD releases all use a capital "T" as in PlayTime and I think that we should follow suit. We do have a precedence for this in the EastEnders article. MarnetteD | Talk 20:26, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * In running text it is referred to as Playtime (with a lower case T) so, for consistency, that is the correct title to use. Film Fan (talk) 01:03, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Google hits is not a substitute for what the filmmakers intentions was. Tati controlled the credits and all of the initial supporting advertising. As with the thread on this page from several years ago there is no firm evidence that the running text ever used a lower case t. Just because people picked up its usage over the years does not replace what the film was known as on its original release. On another note it would be nice if you signature matched your user name. MarnetteD | Talk 03:28, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Original intentions is a different discussion. What matters here is the most common use in English-speaking countries right now. And that is Playtime. Film Fan (talk) 14:36, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support as "Playtime". Camel case is pretty off-putting, and looking at the other wikis most of them seem to use the lower case T, those that don't are the ones which render it as "Play Time" anyway. GRAPPLE   X  15:16, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * As for matching the promotional material, etc, the article title for Alien 3 is not rendered Alien3, nor is Existenz listed at eXistenZ (these were just the very first two examples I thought to check). GRAPPLE   X  15:18, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input but I want to point out that it isn't just promotional material. It is the actual title as seen onscreen. I already mentioned EastEnders we also have BASEketball so there is precedence for using the uppercase "T". We also have "Credits are as seen onscreen" which can apply to titles as well as names. Apologies if this post causes offense and if consensus is to change it the other way then that is fine. Cheers MarnetteD | Talk 15:28, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * By "promotional material" I simply meant lumping in credits, posters, trailers, etc; all that studio-official stuff. Though the fact that we have two sets of articles where titles are treated differently probably does need sorting out. I'm not fussed either way so long as there's consistency, I just checked the first ones I could think of with stylised titles and went with that. GRAPPLE   X  15:32, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support (without the stylisation) – Both variants are in wide usage, but Playtime seems to be more widespread. On another note a Google web search isn't a good way of assessing the situation, since many of the hits will include non-reliable sources such as forums etc, so a Google books and scholar search returns more authoritative results.
 * I favor the title without the big 'T' stylisation, since a Google Books search generally favors its usage without it. As per WP:COMMONNAME we should generally write it as most reliable sources write it, which means we can end up with inconsistencies between articles depending on how sources refer to it. As for the EastEnders analogy, a Google Books search shows both styles in use, although it favors Eastenders so I tend to think the editors have got it wrong on that article. Although we are technically not required to take "official" names into account, it was registered in the US copyright database as Playtime: Betty Logan (talk) 14:16, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
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Talk:Open Game License

Open gaming
If any editors familiar with the OGL, and with "open gaming" in general, would like to visit the Talk:Open gaming page and participate in the current discussion, your time and expewrtise would be greatly appreciated. -- BBlackmoor (talk) 19:38, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

References needed for criticism section
Almost the entire Criticism section of this article is currently unreferenced. Particularly troublesome is that talks about "various" sources making specific complaints about the OGL without actually citing specifically which person or which group is making which complaint and where editors can go to verify the complaint was made. So that section badly needs cited, verifiable references to back up who is specifically making what criticism about the OGL. Dugwiki 21:12, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

And now the "Criticism" section is completely missing. But there is a BIG one: game rules are not copyrightable at all. So all the license grants is the use of a trademark. All the rest is just bogus; granting you rights you already had (or even taking away some). Seegras (talk) 09:00, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Wizards' own FAQ section on the OGL includes questions such as "Does this mean Wizards can take my work and profit from it? Isn't that unfair?" IMHO, the criticisms that were levelled in the old version, though uncited, were certainly valid and important -- would-be licensees may come into this page looking for a non-legalese explanation of the rules.

Does anyone know anything about the implications of dual-licensing under the OGL? Smoke003723 (talk) 00:41, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

 * The Criticism section is in serious need of reinstatement. There is nothing mentioning how many believe the OGL to be a move, spearheaded by Ryan Dancey, to trick other companies into unwittingly giving away their rights as defined by US copyright law.  The OGL claims to give rights (and limited rights, at that) to something that everyone already has the full, unlimited right to do under US law: that is, the right to copy game mechanics ( see: http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl108.html ).

24.78.202.178 (talk) 19:11, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * See WP:FRINGE. 129.33.19.254 (talk) 22:57, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Copyleft?
How exactly is this copyleft?

"Under a copyleft form of copyright license, the restrictions imposed are that the work can be copied, modified or used in any subsequent work if, and only if, the author of that subsequent work agrees to grant the same copyleft rights to the public to freely copy, use and modify the subsequent work."

While the OGL clearly states you cannot use their works in a subsequent work made using the OGL

"7. Use of Product Identity: You agree not to Use any Product Identity,"

Doesn't that contradict it being copyleft?

So what exactly is the OGL? Sounds like nothing more than giving permission to create something so long as it doesn't infringe on copyright...which is the same as not having the OGL in the first place. So is Wizards claiming they have the right to sue for anyone creating something without including their OGL to it? It Wizards basically just trying to gain access to freely use 3rd party material without paying for it? shadzar|Talk|contribs 08:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

 * The OGL allows other content producers to use Wizard's D20 system (explicitly rather than ambiguously) and D20 trademark on their publications. This normally wouldn't be allowed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.48.5.2 (talk) 23:02, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

 * To be clear, the trademark issues have nothing to do with the OGL; those fall under the distinct (and now, defunct) d20 System Trademark license. That being said, to back up the prior poster and clarify, only a portion of a work would be specified as "Product Identity", a term invented by the license. The remainder of the material would be "Open Game Content", which can be reproduced ad infinatum without further permissions from the copyright holder, and requiring preservation of those rights. That fits the definition per the Copyleft article. - Sangrolu (talk) 19:53, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Notability tag removed
I removed the notability tag from this article. The edit note indicated that it was added because the article didn't have sufficient references. That's not the correct tag to use in these cases, since there is a difference between being of questionable notability and not having enough references. The correct tag to use in a case where there aren't enough references is the "refimprove" tag, which I added to the article. Rray (talk) 13:18, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The notability of OGL is still in doubt because the sources cited do not meet the reliabilty requirements of WP:RS. The sources cited at the time of writing are:
 * An interview with the vice president of the publisher of OGL;
 * A blog, which is self-published;
 * A FAQ, issued by the publisher of OGL.
 * Please restore the Notability cleanup template which was placed on the article to address these issues, which should be left there until evidence of noability in the form of citations from reliable sources can be found.--Gavin Collins (talk) 18:53, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Context tag
I've removed the context tag, as I think the introduction provides context. If someone still thinks insufficient context is provided, feel free to re-add the tag or (better yet), rewrite the intro to provide the additional context that is needed. Rray (talk) 17:01, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

4th edition GSL/OGL/SRD?
does something need to be placed here or anywhere regarding these things? the special conference i think that was in a podcast and the article (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20080108a) on wizards website stated a few things, but nothing has been heard since about this. should it be noted that the OGL may be changing with 4th edition. or at least a new OGL specifically for 4th edition will exist seperately form the 3.x OGL and SRD? shadzar-talk 02:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * so no one has any idea on what if anything should be included about the several month old information about the new OGl that requires a fee to use? wouldn't that be a closed gaming license since only businesses with the $5000 USD are allowed to have acess to "OGL" amterial with the new editon? shadzar-talk 22:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * ok so now new information has come about the D&D 4E GSL. http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20080417a shadzar-talk 21:29, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

 * See Be bold. If you see something that needs doing, go ahead and do it. I'll add something using your source. =Axlq 13:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I am adding if/when information becomes available, but I do not understand legal stuf enough to add too much about a license. Currently there is a new version of the license being created and I also have little to no ability to cite things and ever get them to work in wikipedia as references. Thanks for looking into adding something for this. shadzar-talk 17:47, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Mutual Exclusivity and "Compatibility" of OGL and GSL
The article reads the "The GSL is incompatible with the previous OGL. The GSL directly prohibits material to be published both under the GSL (compatible with 4th Edition) as well as the OGL (compatible with 3rd Edition and Edition 3.5)."

According to the 4E GSL FAQ "There is no provision in the GSL preventing the of use [sic] the OGL but publishers must take care to not assume content in the OGL SRD is the same as like-named content in the GSL SRD."

I read this to be a warning against confusing like terms between the two licenses, not a prohibition against releasing material that utilizes both licenses. If, for example, a publisher were to release a product which includes GSL references then they could still release the non-GSL portions of that product under the OGL.

I think this is merely a matter of precision: Wikipedia's prominence as a reference tool necessitates rigorous attention to such precise details. In the absence of further discussion (or objections) I will edit the article to more accurately reflect the relationship between the OGL and the GSL. highmind89 (talk) 00:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Go for it, dude. 204.153.84.10 (talk) 00:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Notes on large edit of Aug 8 - 9, 2010
Just cleaning it up a bit. But as I worked I realized it needed a lot of work.

The introduction gave to much background and didn't explain the significance of the document. The change I made was to rephrase the introduction to a brief explanation of the of the significance of the OGL and to take all the other things that were previously included in the intro and create a new section titled "background"

Next, I have removed he section about the GSL as related to wizards. even though the same sort of document it has no direct relevance to this topic, outside of a tangent off its background. I have noted and linked it to the background section.

I added to the "terms" section missing info and clarification. Then split "terms" in two renamed it and expanded the new section for completeness and removed some inaccuracy from both sections

Now I moved the Background section beneath the use section and finished for the night.

I realize these are a lot of things all at once, but please refrain from reverting just based on that. If you don't understand what was changed, please let me know first and I'll better explain it to you.Ken Zug (talk) 07:12, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not a frequently edited article, so I'm sure no one will mind the changes, but good work! :) 24.148.0.83 (talk) 16:24, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Explanation by Ryan Dancey of the business logic used by Wizards of the Coast to decide to implement the OGL.
I found a post by Ryan Dancey in a forum thread where he explains very clearly why WotC decided to publish AD&D 3E with the OGL. The following link should take you straight to the post but if not it is #90 in the thread and was posted on 04-05-2014 at 04:50 PM according to the timestamp.

http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?29328-Have-Hasbro-WotC-ever-sued-or-threatened-a-retro-clone-publisher-or-author&s=e2b1916c0f39dec6d8029b22e7791239&p=741115&viewfull=1#post741115

While the entire post is well worth reading, the most informative part is where Dancy states:

"''We also knew that the market was structurally unsound. For many reasons there were millions of people playing tabletop RPGs but we estimated the number of people buying tabletop RPGs in the low tens of thousands. That much overhang was an indication that the market was fundamentally failing to deliver products that the consumers were willing to buy. The industry had gone down various rabbit holes and was printing itself into oblivion.

So the OGL/d20 project was a part of a multi-pronged Hail Mary. Absolutely horrific conditions are the only time a business will try insanely ridiculous strategies.

I think it is inarguable that the strategy paid off. If you had told retailers in 1999 that in 2001 they would be stocking their shelves with new RPG products from dozens of new publishers and that RPGs would triple or quadruple their sales, they'd have laughed you out of the room. But that's exactly what happened.''"

I'm not exactly sure how to work this into the article but I think it is worth trying to do. There is of course two problems: Needing to verify this source (forum postings are not normally reliable) for WP standards and possibly some sort of correspondence with Dancey to confirm the information in the post and that he is in fact the author of that post. Koala Tea Of Mercy ( KTOM's Articulations & Invigilations ) 23:08, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

 * That's a good read. There's some nice details in there, but as you say using it's very tricky. Has Dancey been published? He's a significant primary source, but it would be helpful if we could document that somehow. Correspondence with him would still need to meet WP:V, which can be very difficult. Hmm... Grayfell (talk) 23:28, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Footnote Q - how can reference be retrieved BEFORE it's archived.
The second footnote states:

Cook, Monte. "The Open Game License as I See It". Archived from the original on 2007-05-01. Retrieved 2007-03-15.

How could it be retrieved on 3/15/07 when it wasn't archived until 5/1/07? Ileanadu (talk) 02:19, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Probably an error? The retrieved date is largely irrelevant anyway, and can probably be removed. 2601:241:4280:161:1997:5915:5006:9454 (talk) 03:54, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Exported to RPG Museum
On 8 August 2020, the Open Game License page and its complete edit history has been exported from here and imported at RPG Museum (page link), a growing wiki on Fandom that intends to be a resource for all tabletop RPGs. RPG Museum is using this content under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license. Thanks, all! -- Supermorff (talk) 13:25, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Added Section Breaks
Challenging to say if anybody reads this much, yet added section breaks to main article. There's a lot of info in here, may try to propagate it over to GSL and main article. Talk is longer than article. Course, not helped by WotC deleting their website every year. Araesmojo (talk) 00:24, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I propose to merge Game System License here, given the overlap since the GSL is essentially the 4th Edition OGL and the differences can be addressed in the history section. The OGL article would be stronger when combined with the GSL article as it shows the direct develop of the open game system (from the 3E OGL to the 4E GSL and then back to OGL with 5E D&D). Additionally, the GSL article is entirely sourced by primary sources and is vulnerable to AfD. Sariel Xilo (talk) 02:01, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. They are not the same thing. Indeed, the fact is the GSL is quite opposite from the OGL in both licensing terms and underlying mentality. The OGL is also used by numerous RPGs outside D&D, and this is an article on the OGL specifically, not the licensing of D&D so adding the GSL would be undue here in so many ways. Not a good idea. oknazevad (talk) 02:09, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Deauthorization of OGL1.0a
Again removed non-sequitur regarding "de-authorization" as subject is not covered in this article. Under Open Game License, I highlighted that Codega's initial article calls out deauthorization (Linda Codega, for Io9 in January 2023, reported on the details from a leaked full copy of the OGL 1.1 including updated terms such as no longer authorizing use of the OGL1.0) followed by Dancey's statement on the issue. Which is why I then quoted another reporter's take on deauthorization in the impact section as questions around it keep being raised by those reporting on the issue. Sariel Xilo (talk) 23:37, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Combine redundancies and disjointed narrative
let's be honest, much of the blow-by-blow needs to be trimmed down per WP:NOTNEWS anyway, but the entire OGL 1.1 and 1.2 sections belong solely in the history section. The purpose of the lower OGL section was to talk about the long-term effects of the use of the license in industry. The scrapped revisions which never went live at all have no such effect. They don't need separate sections.

And the Game System License section does not belong on this page at all. Because, as I said above, this article is about the OGL. It is not about the licensing history of D&D. Yes, the two are related, but they are not synonymous. In fact, one of the reasons the scrapped OGL changes were so controversial is because the OGL is used by many non-D&D games and the makers of those would be adversely affected as they would not be able to continue using it even without using anything D&D specific.oknazevad (talk) 00:26, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I changed the heading from Impact to Reception and added more clarity in subheadings. I think the scrapped revisions need separate sections because the reaction to each led to the next (as outlined in this NPR article). I also don't think the unfolding of events falls under WP:ROUTINE. I'm not the best at trimming quotes but I'm totally okay if you'd like to take the lead on that. Sariel Xilo (talk) 17:34, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It's still far too much of a blow-by-blow news passage, and entirely too bloated with unimportant editorial opinions of random columnists. It needs far more than a surgical trimming. It needs a hacksaw taken to it. And it should all be in the history, as it was part of the ongoing events. They scrapped 1.1 and 1.2 had zero impact other than them being soundly rejected by the fans and the industry, resulting in their being dropped like a rock. Excessive analysis that's added and never reworked is a sign of someone using an article as a news aggregator for the topic.
 * Honestly, I hate the organization of this article. The history section is about D&D's edition history, not the license, which remained widely in use even when D&D 4E was using the GSL (which again, is not the OGL). Pathfinder should not be relegated to an afterthought in the reception section. It's a massive part of why the license remained relevant throughout. The whole article needs an overhaul. oknazevad (talk) 22:50, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It might be a better idea to rename the article to a more appropriate umbrella title and re-scope it, or create a new umbrella article and move some of this content over there. I can't think of a non-clumsy article title at the moment, but something along the lines of Open licensing in tabletop role-playing games or Licensing of tabletop roleplaying games. This might help eliminate any WP:COATRACK issues. The Wordsmith Talk to me 17:15, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I disagree. This article needs to be trimmed to focus on the actual subject instead of being treated as a coat rack. First and foremost, let's get rid of the edition headers. It's not Editions of Dungeons & Dragons. Secondly, let's combine the bloated subsections on the reaction to the 1.1 and 1.2 proposals to the history section, trimming them extensively to remove the excessive op-ed quotes and stick to the facts. Fact is, they had no long term-impact on the use of the license as they were abandoned before being implemented, and no material has ever been licensed under them. The news coverage of the events is in the wrong section, period.
 * And thirdly, let's understand that the only real impact those proposals had was strong, near-universal rejection to the point that WOTC had to outright abandon them and any plans to revoke the OGL 1.0, which would have been the actual impactful move. The main issue wasn't D&D being licensed under some other terms, though that would have probably resulted in a collapse of the third-party D&D content market as happened during the last time WOTC made a version of D&D under a different license (4E under the Game System License). It was the fact that unilaterally deauthorizing the OGL 1.0 would have made it unavailable to publishers who have been using it for non-D&D games for decades. Pathfinder may be the most prominent, but it is hardly the only one, and many others have nothing to do with the fantasy genre or D&D mechanics. The fact is that ubiquity should be the crux of the impact section. oknazevad (talk) 18:43, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with 's idea of renaming and expanding the scope (ie. something like Dungeons & Dragons licensing). A few years ago I proposed merging Game System License & Open Game License but there wasn't much of a discussion (see above ). If we went with "Dungeons & Dragons licensing", it should be the result of merging the OGL & GSL articles because it shows the iterations of licensing D&D for its various editions; we could probably also split out the D&D stuff from System Reference Document and move the single non-D&D sentence to Open gaming. I do think it would be better to a have a single, well sourced article that shows the evolution/impact of D&D licenses as a whole for the reader rather than a bunch of shorter, weaker articles. Lots of D&D articles use the D&D Editions as a way to break the history into chunks but if you want to do year ranges, I don't see the harm in that. The structure of the article (history and reception/impact) is a fairly common way to make a distinction between facts and critical analysis (where there are multiple points of view) but if you want to mock up a draft with a different structure, that would be reasonable. Also, I'm still open to another editor taking the lead on doing a copy-edit/trim.
 * I disagree that the most recent events are being treated as a coat rack. I think the distinction between OGL 1.1 & 1.2 is important because it shows that Wizards didn't immediately capitulate to fan backlash. Regarding "Pathfinder may be the most prominent, but it is hardly the only one, and many others have nothing to do with the fantasy genre or D&D mechanics. The fact is that ubiquity should be the crux of the impact section", feel free to showcase that if you can find the sources. I did periodically do research to improve this article before the current round of OGL stuff and it was struggle to find sources. The recent events are the most coverage the topic has ever received but some of those articles do look retrospectively so you might have luck there. Sariel Xilo (talk) 20:07, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Just occurred to me but isn't the point of the d20 System article to showcase the development of all the games using that system under the OGL? I'm unclear with how much overlap was aiming for or what distinctions they wanted between these articles. Thanks! Sariel Xilo (talk) 20:15, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * My point is this article is about the license and its use across the industry, not the licensing of one game. That's why I opposed the merger proposal then and think too much focus on recent events is a bad idea. I also think we don't need multiple sections about a single series of events; an appropriate level of coverage can be condensed into a subsection of the history section titles something along the lines of "proposed replacement". The main thrust of my comments remains that the current breakout creates a disjointed reading experience. oknazevad (talk) 02:44, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Share alike / virality - not true, delete?
Article says OGL is viral (it has share-alike property), but there is no citation to this and I've just went through the OGL twice (and consulted a lawyer friend on top of that) and I found nothing indicating virality (nor did my lawyer friend). As a matter of fact as I read it OGL allows "pure takers" who just take OGL content, attribute it properly under OGL but who then license nothing back. Unless somebody points out specific part of the OGL which indicates virality and/or source proving this part in fact causes virality, then I suggest to delete this information from the article as false/misleading. If I just missed something then I'll be happy to stay corrected - in that case clarification and citation should be added into the article. Sirien.neiris (talk) 21:39, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

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Greetings! I'm wondering where you got the figure of 8 minutes from; the source I used gave 7. Perhaps "roughly 7" for a compromise? Mindspillage (spill yours?) 19:39, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

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Karl Twitchell

Karl Saben Twitchell (b. 1885 - d. 1968) was an American mining engineer. Twitchell was born in St. Albans, Vermont in 1885. After graduating from St. Albans High School, he attended the Kingston School of Mines at Queens University, Kingston, Ontario, graduating in 1908.

After graduation, Twitchell worked at mines in Idaho, California, Colorado and Arizona, in positions ranging from sampler to surveyor to manager. In 1914, Twitchell began working for Colonel Steeley W. Mudd, and was sent to Cyprus to work at the Skouriatissa copper mine. When the mine closed in 1917, Twitchell worked briefly for the Cyprus Forest Department before returning to the United States at the end of World War I.

In late 1919, Twitchell was hired by the R.T. Wilson Company of New York City. Originally destined for a gold mine in Dutch Guiana, Twitchell was instead sent to Portugal to manage a tin mine. Having become engaged to Nora Gilhespie, he stopped in London to get married, in 1920, before continuing on Portugal. While working with the tin mine and subsequently two copper mines, his son Harry Gilhespie Twitchell was born in Lisbon. However, none of these operations was particularly successful—Twitchell felt that at least one of the mines had been "seeded" to attract investment—so Twitchell returned to London. This led to a meeting with Robert Annan, Chair of the Board of Consolidated Gold Fields of South Africa, who sent Twitchell on expedition to Abyssinia (now Ethiopia). Twitchell arrived in Addis Ababa in 1926, and spent six months exploring the northern half of the country. Twitchell's determination was that mineral mining was not commercially viable at that time.

En route back to London, Twitchell passed through Aden, in Yemen, where he learned of the recent visit of Charles Richard Crane. Crane had met with the Imam Yahiz, King of Yemen, and promised to find mining engineers to explore for minerals in the country. Twitchell went to New York to meet with Crane, which led to Twitchell being hired to lead an expedition in Yemen in 1928. In addition to minerals, the expedition was also intended to consider methods for improving agriculture in the country, and to search for water resources.

Twitchell worked for Charles Richard Crane, investigating water potential of Yemen. While the expedition found little in the way of commercial mining opportunities, Twitchell did conduct agricultural experiments and convinced the King to begin construction of a road system in the country. The expedition lasted six months,, and was followed by a second expedition of similar length in 1929, and a third trip in 1931, during which Twitchell oversaw construction of a major bridge.

In 1932, Crane was invited by King Ibn Saud to come to Saudi Arabia. The King was aware of the work in Yemen, and interested in replicating it in his country, especially the efforts to locate water supplies. Crane then employed Twitchell to investigate the water prospects in Ibn Saud's Saudi Arabia. Twitchell arrived with his wife in Jedda in mid-1932. After a grand meeting and feast with Ibn Saud, Twitchell set out to explore the Hejaz area in search of water. Despite traveling some 1300 miles within this region, in April 1933, Twitchell determined no prospects for an artesian aquifer existed beneath the desert. However, he had noticed evidence of ancient Roman and Israelite mines, which suggested to him that there was potential for mining gold and possibly even finding oil. Saudi Arabia's finance minister, Sheik Abdulla Suliman Al Hamdan, grasped the implications of the oil possibilities, and sent Twitchell back out to travel eastward towards the Persian Gulf. In the course of this exploration, Twitchell became the first American to cross Saudi Arabia.

Returning to the Saudi capital of Riyadh, Twitchell again met with Ibn Saud, who asked him to continue investigating the oil possibilities. This included a trip to Bahrain, where oil drilling was already in progress. Subsequently, Twitchell advised Ibn Saud to delay initiating any oil operations in Saudi Arabia until the venture in Bahrain, which was still in its early stages, produced significant results. In the meantime, Twitchell resumed exploration of the ancient gold mines. Ibn Saud preferred to work only with American investors, but Twitchell was unable to interest any American companies in the gold mining. However, while in the United States trying to line up investors for the gold exploration, Twitchell met with representatives of The Texas Company (now Texaco) and Standard Oil Company. After reviewing Twitchell's geological notes, the Standard Oil Company of California (SOCAL) retained Twitchell as a negotiator, and on 29 May 1933, SOCAL received such a concession. The exploration rights covered an area of approximately 360,000 square miles (930.000 square kilometers), and the agreement was for sixty years. An initial advance on royalties, in the form 35,000 gold sovereigns, was shipped by SOCAL to the Saudi government in July 1933, at which point Twitchell terminated his contract with the oil company and went back working on the gold mines.

Twitchell was able to form a syndicate backed by English, American and Canadian investors, and Twitchell returned to Jedda in July 1934 to negotiate a concession. The process proved more complicated than he had anticipated, but an agreement was finally reached on Christmas Eve. The timing was fortuitous, as gold prices were soon raised to $35 per ounce. The area controlled by the syndicate proved to have approximately 450,000 tons of gold tailings. While the syndicate had to build virtually the entire mining and processing infrastructure, building everything from mills to roads to a shipping pier in Jedda, the project was successful. By the time the tailings were worked out in 1954, approximately $32 million worth of gold, silver and copper had been produced. This time frame included the entirety of World War II, which complicated matters considerably. Replacing equipment during the massive war equipment-building effort was extremely difficult, but Twitchell convinced the U.S. Department of State that closing the mine during the war would be viewed very negatively by the Saudi government, potentially even driving the Saudis to align with Germany, and the State Department continued authorizing the equipment until the last nine months of the war. Twitchell also served as chief of the first U.S. Agricultural Mission to Saudi Arabia, at the request of King Ibn Saud.

After World War II, Twitchell was involved in developing the "Seven Years Plan" in Iran and also in a diamond and gold mining operating in British Guiana. He joined the boards of directors of the Rock of Ages Corporation, a granite quarrying company based in Barre, Vermont, and also the American Eastern Corporation. He wrote a book simply titled "Saudi Arabia", published by Princeton University Press; it went through three editions and was considered a definitive description of the country for several decades. In 1955, his novel, "Keith Arnold in Mining Engineering", co-authored with Robert Wyndham, was published by Dodd, Mead and Company. Twitchell was also a long-time member of the Explorers Club and the Mining Club.

Twitchell and his wife moved to Byram, Connecticut in 1949. He passed away at his home on January 7, 1968. Many of his papers, photographs and collected items were donated to the Harvard Semitic Museum; more of his legacy is in the possession of Princeton University and Middlebury College, from which he received an honorary Doctor of Science degree on June 12, 1950.

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The Fun of Watching Fireworks

The Fun of Watching Fireworks is the debut album by The American Analog Set. It was released on August 20, 1996 on Emperor Jones records.

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Laura Rockefeller Chasin

Laura Spelman Rockefeller (October 11, 1936 – November 17, 2015 ) was an American philanthropist. She was the eldest child of Laurance Spelman Rockefeller (1910–2004) and Mary French (1910–1997), and a fourth generation member of the Rockefeller family. She has two younger sisters, Marion, Lucy Aldrich Rockefeller, and a younger brother, Laurance Spelman Rockefeller Jr. Her patrilineal great-grandfather was Standard Oil's co-founder John D. Rockefeller and her matrilineal great-grandfather was Frederick H. Billings, a president of Northern Pacific Railway. Both of her grandmothers, Mary Billings French and Abby Aldrich Rockefeller, were important to the early development of YWCA USA. Chasin is known as the founder, former executive director, and former board member of the Public Conversations Project in Watertown, Massachusetts.

Early life and education
Chasin was raised in New York City. She graduated from the Brearley School in Manhattan and Miss Porter's School in Farmington, Connecticut. She received a B.A. magna cum laude in Art History from Bryn Mawr College, an M.A. in Government from Harvard University, and an M.S.W. from Simmons College (Massachusetts) School of Social Work. She was trained in couple and family therapy and psychodrama.

Personal life
In 1956, she married James H. Case, with whom she had three children and whom she later divorced. In 1971, she married psychiatrist Richard Chasin, who had three children from prior marriages. A leader in family therapy, he was president of the American Family Therapy Academy and an Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. He served for 12 years as president of the Rockefeller Family Fund and was a trustee of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund.

Board memberships
Chasin served on the boards of the Rockefeller Family Fund, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, and Spelman College. She also served on the boards of the Children's Defense Fund, the Conflict Management Group, and the Institute for Faith and Politics, and on the steering committee of the Common Ground Network for Life and Choice. She was described as a radical centrist thinker and activist.

Chasin was known as the founder, former executive director, and board member of the Public Conversations Project in Watertown, Massachusetts. This non-profit organization fosters constructive conversations about divisive public issues that involve clashing values, world views, and identities. Public Conversations' methods are designed to dissolve stereotypes, create trust, generate fresh ideas, and promote collaboration among those who have been chronically embattled. She also worked closely with No Labels and the National Institute for Civil Discourse, founded after the shooting of Congresswoman Gabby Giffords.

Publications

 * Chasin L, Chasin R, Herzig M, Roth S, Becker C., "The Citizen Clinician: The Family Therapist In The Public Forum." AFTA Newsletter (American Family Therapy Academy). 1991; Winter:36-42.
 * Becker C, Chasin L, Chasin R, Herzig M, Roth S., "Fostering Dialogue on Abortion." PCP Website. 1992.
 * Chasin R, Herzig M, Roth S, Chasin L, Becker C, Stains R Jr., "From Diatribe To Dialogue On Divisive Public Issues: Approaches Drawn From Family Therapy." Mediation Quarterly. 1996; 13(4).
 * Chasin L, "Asking Wise Questions." PCP Website, 2001.
 * Chasin, L, "How to Break the Argument Habit," in a series of articles on polarization called "Talking with the Enemy" published in the Christian Science Monitor, October 26, 2004.
 * Chasin, L, "From Shouting Heads to Shared Concerns: An Interview with Laura Chasin," Leverage Points for a New Workplace, New World, e-newsletter of Pegasus Communications, Inc., July 18, 2006(76).
 * Chasin, L, "Civic Social Work for the 21st Century," Gestalt International Study Center e-Newsletter, Issue Number 2, 2008.

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Active record pattern

In software engineering, the active record pattern is an architectural pattern. It is found in software that stores in-memory object data in relational databases. It was named by Martin Fowler in his 2003 book Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture. The interface of an object conforming to this pattern would include functions such as Insert, Update, and Delete, plus properties that correspond more or less directly to the columns in the underlying database table.

The active record pattern is an approach to accessing data in a database. A database table or view is wrapped into a class. Thus, an object instance is tied to a single row in the table. After creation of an object, a new row is added to the table upon save. Any object loaded gets its information from the database. When an object is updated, the corresponding row in the table is also updated. The wrapper class implements accessor methods or properties for each column in the table or view.

This pattern is commonly used by object persistence tools and in object–relational mapping (ORM). Typically, foreign key relationships will be exposed as an object instance of the appropriate type via a property.

Implementations
Implementations of the concept can be found in various frameworks for many programming environments. For example, if there is a table  in a database with columns   (string type) and   (number type), and the Active Record pattern is implemented in the class , the pseudo-code

will create a new row in the  table with the given values, and is roughly equivalent to the SQL command

Conversely, the class can be used to query the database:

This will find a new  object based on the first matching row from the   table whose   column has the value "gearbox". The SQL command used might be similar to the following, depending on the SQL implementation details of the database:

Large files
Because the data and the database access methods are in the same file, those files end up being bigger.

Single responsibility principle and separation of concerns
Another critique of the active record pattern is that, due to the strong coupling of database interaction and application logic, an active record object does not follow the single responsibility principle and separation of concerns. This is opposed to multitier architecture, which properly addresses these practices. Because of this, the active record pattern is best and most often employed in simple applications that are all forms-over-data with CRUD functionality, or only as one part of an architecture. Typically that part is data access and why several ORMs implement the active record pattern.

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Talk:Fudge (role-playing game system)

Open gaming
If any editors familiar with Fudge, and with "open gaming" in general, would like to visit the Talk:Open gaming page and participate in the current discussion, your time and expertise would be greatly appreciated. -- BBlackmoor (talk) 19:41, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

FUDGE name
The name "Fudge" hasn't been an anagram for the last two published versions of the game. I'll be editting things accordingly.E.T.Smith 05:35, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I've fixed everything but the main title, which still uses the outmoded all-caps version of the name. Would someone with more Wiki-skill than me please see to this?E.T.Smith 05:35, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

For one thing, FUDGE was never an anagram (anagrams are words or phrases made by rearranging the letters of another word or phrase: ie. "A decimal point" - "I'm a dot in place"), FUDGE is an acronym, and technically should be written F.U.D.G.E. but FUDGE like the title can do just fine. If you wanna change it (which I don't see being necessary) use the MOVE command. Cyberia23 08:38, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Sorry, got the similar words mixed up. The point still stands though, that though the name may once have been an acronym, it no longer is and this article should reflect that. Thank you for showing me how to amend it accordingly.68.39.72.108 19:55, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

FUDGE was SLUG?
Are we sure about this? I thought they were two different games; there's not a lot of overlap in the rules. 203.113.232.209 22:34, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Yep. The SLUG that now exists is a recycling of the name, but the project that became Fudge was also originally referred to as SLUG. As I recall, Steffan felt that Fudge suffered from committee-written bloat, and that SLUG (the second) is what Fudge should have been. Or something to that effect. If I can find where he said that, I'll put it in the article, though it's likely in the chunk of Usenet history that's been removed from the Deja Goo archives (including the article where Steffan put Fudge in the public domain and then retracted it, the supposed reason for the de-archival. Which is a whole 'nother can of worms.) 207.178.110.185 02:34, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope, check it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnan (talk • contribs) 12:24, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Fudge Community Yahoo Group -- okay to link to it in External Links section?
I added a link to the Fudge Guide Wiki to the "external links" section of the Fudge rpg wikipedia entry, since the Fudge Guide has become an incredible resource for anyone interested in the Fudge RPG.

I was going to add a link to the new Fudge Community Yahoo Group (the first email list/community forum hosted & officially supported by Grey Ghost Press, Inc., which I started up a few weeks ago when the original Fudge List mailing list hosted by Carl and Karen Cravens closed down)... but the editing guidelines specifically mentioned that "social networking" pages should be avoided in the External Links section.

I think the new Fudge Community group is a great place to go to learn more about the Fudge game (the message archives are set for public viewing, and members can access files and links and a calendar of Fudge events and all the other Yahoo Group bells and whistles), is it all right to add a link in the "external links" sections? Or is the "no social networking sites" rule a hard-and-fast one?

(new to editing Wikipedia -- wikis daunt and confuse me, don't want to make a mistake, there's a lot of power in editing a wiki entry!)

Adupuis (talk) 12:13, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding the link to the Wiki. Given the nature of Fudge I think it is agood idea.  But I would not add the yahoogroup.  What you can do though is add the yahoogroup to the Fudge Wiki.  Anyone interested in Fudge will go to the Wiki and then see it there. Web Warlock (talk) 13:24, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

"which are six-sided, and"
I don't think it's relevant how many sides the dice have; as long as there's an equal number of the three kinds of sides, they're dF. (If anything, they're emulated three sided dice (with an -2 offset.))

Most uninitiated people might assume six-sided, which is fine since that's what most published Fudge dice looks like today.

I was very close to adding "usually" between "are" and "six-sided" but I'd rather just remove that part since it doesn't really add any information on how to play Fudge. Sunnan (talk) 22:12, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Re-formatting and Quotes
"Went through and not only found citations for some of the required sections, but also added and re-phrased some of the longer running sentences. Also made links to the Grey Ghost Press wiki page that I will be working in a few." Lucky Foot (talk) 09:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Logo Change
Changed the front logo from the book cover to the official Fudge RPG logo as the book cover may change over time and it won't be a good representation of the system. The Fudge Swoosh Dice logo is the official symbol. Lucky Foot (talk) 05:57, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Questionable passage
Moving this here from the "Complexity" section:
 * Another draw to the system is the lack of mathematics in a lot of builds with the game focusing more on the story instead of the arithmetic seen in some games like Wizards of the Coast's Dungeons & Dragons.

This has got nothing to do with "complexity", so it's in the wrong section; there doesn't seem to be a right section. It's unsourced, and reads a lot like someone's personal opinion. It's also not particularly accurate, but seems to be praising (original research or fancruft) the use of verbal adjectives instead of numerical factors, which is already covered much more dispassionately in another section, making this passage redundant. If someone wants to clean this up and replace it in the article, more power to you. But it looks like fan praise, which has no place here. 71.200.89.119 (talk) 13:57, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

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Dab-Dah

 * 1) Dabareh
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 * 7) Dacron
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 * 12) Daedalic Sculpture
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 * 1) Dai Hyakkajiten
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Dani

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Dania-Danie

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 * 5) Daniel Berzsenyi
 * 6) Daniel Bliss
 * 7) Daniel Caspar von Lohenstein
 * 8) Daniel Cell
 * 9) Daniel Cowan Jackling
 * 10) Daniel Dulany
 * 11) Daniel Finch Nottingham
 * 12) Daniel Francois Malherbe
 * 13) Daniel Gregory Mason
 * 14) Daniel Mazia
 * 15) Daniel Nikolaus Chodowiecki
 * 16) Daniel O'Neill
 * 17) Daniel Pierce Thompson
 * 18) Daniel Quare
 * 19) Daniel Urrabieta Vierge
 * 20) Daniel-François-Esprit Auber
 * 21) Daniele Bovet
 * 22) Daniele da Volterra

Danil-Danis

 * 1) Danilo I
 * 2) Danilo II
 * 3) Danish literature
 * 4) Danish Period

Dans

 * 1) Danshaku Kato Hiroyuki
 * 2) Danshaku Motoda Nagazane

Dao-Daq

 * 1) Daonella
 * 2) Daphniphyllales
 * 3) Daphnis and Chloë
 * 4) Daqiqi

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User talk:Øz

Welcome
Hello Øz, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Though we all make goofy mistakes, here is what Wikipedia is not. By the way, you can sign your name on Talk and vote pages using three tildes, like this: ~~~. Four tildes (~~~~) produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, see the help pages or add a question to the village pump. Don't forget to use the Show preview button before you save. Again, welcome! – ABCD✉ 19:41, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
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Your article
Please don't create articles about yourself in main article space. See WP:AUTO for a good explanation of why. However, you're free to edit your user page (User:%C3%98z) and write about yourself there. Friday (talk) 21:01, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Image copyright violation
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as the images you have added to earth mover, but we regretfully cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. For more information about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, take a look at our Five Pillars. Happy editing! - Mike Rosoft 18:11, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

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Electoral district of Albert

Albert was a Legislative Assembly electorate in the state of Queensland which existed from 1887 to 1949 and 1959 to 2017.

Albert was named for the Albert River, which runs through the electorate and separates Logan City from City of Gold Coast. It was first created in a redistribution in 1887 ahead of the 1888 colonial election and continued to exist (with various boundary alterations) until 1949, when the Darlington and Southport electorates were created. In 1959, the electorate was established again. The 1971 and 1977 redistributions greatly reduced the area of the electorate and minor changes were made in 1991, including the loss of Carbrook in the north and coastal areas below Paradise Point in the south.

Its consistently changing boundaries together with its existence in a high-growth area do not provide consistent political leanings over time, although it showed more inclination towards the Labor Party over time than any other Gold Coast seat.

The last Member for Albert, Mark Boothman, was first elected in the 2012 election.

Albert was removed in the 2017 electoral redistribution, its northern part being transferred into Logan and Macalister, its centre part transferred into Coomera, and its southern part transferred into the new electorate of Theodore.

History
Historically, the Gold Coast and Logan regions were sparsely populated agricultural areas, and the Albert electorate covered the entire south-eastern corner of the state. Its representation broadly reflected the conservative leanings and rural interests of its population, and John Appel, who served in both the Second Kidston Ministry and Denham Ministry, participated in the formation of both the Queensland Farmers' Union from the rural caucus of the Liberal Party in 1915 and the subsequent Country Party in 1919.

The seat's boundaries evolved thus:

 * Prior to 1920, the seat covered the entire modern City of Gold Coast plus Beaudesert and Jimboomba.
 * At the 1920 election, it lost Beaudesert and Jimboomba to the neighbouring seat of Fassifern, and moved north to cover all of what is now Logan City.
 * At the 1932 election, it lost the Logan area, and regained Jimboomba.
 * At the 1935 election, it lost Jimboomba, and gained all of what is now Redland City, including North Stradbroke Island, from the seat of Wynnum.

It was split up in the 1949 redistribution ahead of the 1950 state election into Darlington, which included Redland, Logan, Beaudesert, Coomera, Jimboomba and Tamborine; and Southport which was limited to the Gold Coast and its hinterland. Both seats remained safe for the Country Party; Plunkett opted to contest the seat of Darlington.

At the 1960 state election, the fast-growing Southport seat was split into Albert in the north and South Coast in the south. Further urban growth pushed the seat progressively northwards.

Its boundaries, as at the 2009 election, took in mostly urban, semi-urban and industrial areas west of the Pacific Motorway extending from Mount Warren Park and Windaroo in southern Logan to Coomera and Oxenford in the outer northern Gold Coast.

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User talk:Jmacleod9975

Welcome
Hello Jmacleod9975, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Though we all make goofy mistakes, here is what Wikipedia is not. By the way, you can sign your name on Talk and vote pages using three tildes, like this: ~~~. Four tildes (~~~~) produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, see the help pages or add a question to the village pump. Don't forget to use the Show preview button before you save. Again, welcome! – ABCD✉ 19:41, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
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User talk:Fentonrobb

Welcome
Hello Fentonrobb, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Though we all make goofy mistakes, here is what Wikipedia is not. By the way, you can sign your name on Talk and vote pages using three tildes, like this: ~~~. Four tildes (~~~~) produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, see the help pages or add a question to the village pump. Don't forget to use the Show preview button before you save. Again, welcome! – ABCD✉ 19:42, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
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Lawburrows
Consider yourself wikified. :) Basically, that means linking everything in sight :) and wiki format stuff. For example, to make separate paragraphs, insert a line between each (tab does no good), and to create bullet points, use the asterisk at the beginning of a line. Also, when you want to link directly to something, but want it to look somewhat different, you can use piped links. Two examples from the article: Evidence yields Evidence and James I yields James I. Also, I hope you don't mind, but I thought it was such a great article that I submitted it to DYK. Feel free to rewrite the text or (if it makes you uncomfortable) remove my nomination here. Oh, also, when you're logged in, you can sign your posts by putting four tildes: ~. That automatically inserts your username and a datestamp. Keep up the good work! jengod 16:25, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * P.S. I'm an American, so if I copy edited anything American-style and it's driving you crazy b/c you go by Commonwealth or British or Scottish style or what have you, please feel free to change it back. The wiki standard is to spell/punctuate things on local articles in their local style. Ergo, articles about British TV are about programmes and articles about U.S. TV are about programs, etc. Thanks!

On the Stern review
Hello Fentonrobb,

Some while ago (ca. 3 months), I posted on the talk page of the Stern review. Not wanting to do so, I nevertheless had apparently made an offensive and "threatening" impression on you. At the time, I was on the other hand so taken aback by your reply, that I did not feel like answering. I have today added a good number of "positive" quotes to the page, and rereading the talk, thought it might be sensible to clarify our disagreement of then. Realizing I am quite late in doing so, I would nevertheless wish to say I am sorry that you took my posting as so uncivil, as to move you to saying you would no longer edit the page until I had taken back my "threat" of "destroying" the page. It is true that I did not feel happy with the work that had been done by the previous editors, and was assuming malice in the formation of the article, so as to it being biased towards a global warming critical view. In retrospect, I must admit that this was unjust, and I should not have been so negative in my post. I hope you can accept my apology.

I also wanted to draw to your attention that, as I had mentioned above, I have done some changes today in the way I proposed back then, namely adding a large number of positive responses. If you still view this as destructive, I would be thankful if you could tell me why you see this so. Many kind regards, Sean Heron 17:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

David Hume
As the GAR reviewer, I am informing you that David Hume, an article that you worked on, was delisted in GA sweeps process. My suggestions are available on the GAR page. Hope they are useful for article improvement.-- Redtigerxyz Talk 06:23, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi. You may have been the first person to refer to "Hume's early essay Of Superstition and Religion". I can't find it anywhere and I wonder if it's some publication that I missed. At the moment I think it is a ghost publication that doesn't exist. (see Hume talk pages) Myrvin (talk) 18:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

David Stove
"Fenton Robb" is an unusual name. I think the class of people who are called "Fenton Robb and who have an interest in David Hume" will be a class with only one member. Given this I can deduce (with out needing to invoke the principle of the identity of indiscernibles) that this is the same person with whom I enjoyed a haggis dinner at the UK systems society conference in Paisley 1993. At that time I told you about a paper where the author contended that there is no problem of induction and Hume never said there was. I promised to send you the reference but forgot to do so. Here it is:

Stove, D. "Hume, Probability, and Induction". Philosophical Review, vol. LXXIV, 1965.

Sorry for the 17 year delay in getting this to you.

If you want to get in touch, I have a user page which links to my web page which links to my email address.

Best regards, Frank Hutson Gregory --Logicalgregory (talk) 05:03, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Rank (formation) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Rank (formation) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Rank (formation) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:16, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Question about the old edit
Hi, Fentonrobb. I know you are not active in Wikipedia anymore and this edit happened 11 years ago, but do you remember by any change which is the source of that edit? My guess was that it could be from this book but it is published after your edit. As this information and more you added, has ended in the Coal gasification article which needs better sourcing, your help is needed. Thank you for any assistance. Beagel (talk) 15:52, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

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Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back (1985 video game)

Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back is the sequel to the vector graphics Star Wars arcade video game released by Atari, Inc. in 1983. It was made available by Atari Games in 1985 as a conversion kit for the original game. As in Star Wars, the player takes on the role of Luke Skywalker in a set of battle sequences from a first-person perspective. The game features the Battle of Hoth and the subsequent escape of the Millennium Falcon through an asteroid field. It is the third Star Wars arcade title from Atari; the raster game Return of the Jedi came out the previous year.

Home ports were released by Domark for the Amstrad CPC, BBC Micro, ZX Spectrum, Atari ST, Commodore 64, and Amiga.

Gameplay

During the Hoth sequences, the player is flying a Rebel snowspeeder. The first section has the player patrolling in a search and destroy mission for Probots (Imperial Probe Droids). Imperial transmissions emanating from the Probots can be shot to prolong the stage. Once the transmission is completed, the player advances. To earn a Jedi letter, the player must eradicate the specified number of probots.

The second snowspeeder sequence involves the assault of AT-AT and AT-ST walkers against the Rebel shield generator. The walkers have to be either destroyed or avoided, as collisions will damage the aircraft. The player has four tow-cables which can be used to take down the AT-AT walkers instantly if fired at the walker's legs. Otherwise, the player has to aim for the red cockpits in order to destroy the walkers. To earn a Jedi letter, the player must eradicate the specified number of walkers.

The second half of the game has the player take on the role of Han Solo piloting at the head of a convoy trying to escape the Imperial onslaught. First, the player encounters a swath of TIE fighters. To earn a Jedi letter, the player must eradicate the specified number of TIE fighters. When enough time expires, the player moves on to an asteroid field, where the goal is simply to survive. To earn a Jedi letter, the player must make it through the field and not lose the game. Once finishing the fourth stage, the game starts back at the beginning of the Battle of Hoth on a higher difficulty level.

Collecting all four Jedi letters instantly erases all enemy shots from the screen for a short time, and also adds a rank insignia next to the player's initials if they reach the high-score list. The player begins the game with a deflector shield that can absorb a set number of hits from enemies or projectiles before collapsing. If the player sustains a hit with the shield down, the game ends.

Vector objects are now much more noticeably detailed, and the asterisk-particle enemy shots resembling snowflakes from Star Wars are replaced with simpler and clearer vector star-shapes instead.

Reception
According to the creators, the game received less attention as it was not as fresh as the previous game. Additionally, it was sold as an upgrade kit, so arcade operators that had Star Wars running and getting steady incomes from it did not go for the upgrade.

Reviews

 * Jeux & Stratégie #54

Legacy
The game is included as an unlockable extra on Star Wars Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike for the GameCube.


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Caroline Carver (author)

Caroline (CJ) Carver (born in October 1959 in London) is a British author who has lived in the UK and Australia.

Early life
Caroline Carverwas was born in London, UK in October 1959. Throughout her early years, she worked as a book rep and marketing manager for Transworld Publishers, taking time off to backpack through South-East Asia. Carver has been a travel writer and long-distance rally driver, driving from London to Saigon to Cape Town and covering 14,000 miles on the Inca Trail. Carver is a founding judge of the Women's World Car of The Year Award.

Career
Carver's first novel, Blood Junction, won the CWA Debut Dagger, was shortlisted for the Barry Award, and was selected by Publishers Weekly as one of the best mystery books of the year. Spare Me The Truth (published 2016) was nominated for the Ngaio Marsh Award in 2017. Carver lives with her husband near Bath, England.

Works

 * 2001 — Blood Junction
 * 2003 — Dead Heat
 * 2004 — Black Tide
 * 2005 — Beneath The Snow
 * 2007 — Gone Without Trace
 * 2009 — Back With Vengeance
 * 2010 — The Honest Assassin
 * 2016 — Spare Me The Truth
 * 2017 — Tell Me A Lie
 * 2018 — Know Me Now
 * 2019 — Over Your Shoulder
 * 2019 — Cold Echo
 * 2020 — Deep Black Lies
 * 2020 — The Snow Thief
 * 2021 — Scare Me to Death

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Hot/D/Das-Dau

Das

 * 1) Dashava
 * 2) Dasvant
 * 3) Dasycladales
 * 4) Dasyure

Data a-Data c

 * 1) Data Accelerator
 * 2) Data administration
 * 3) Data administrator
 * 4) Data aging
 * 5) Data availability
 * 6) Data bits
 * 7) Data broadcast
 * 8) Data carrier
 * 9) Data cartridge
 * 10) Data cassette
 * 11) Data Cell
 * 12) Data code
 * 13) Data collection
 * 14) Data control clerk
 * 15) Data control department

Data d-Data i

 * 1) Data D-2
 * 2) Data declaration
 * 3) Data definition
 * 4) Data description language
 * 5) Data dipper
 * 6) Data division
 * 7) Data entry department
 * 8) Data entry program
 * 9) Data error
 * 10) Data field
 * 11) Data hygiene
 * 12) Data item

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 * 2) Data life cycle management
 * 3) Data line monitor
 * 4) Data line
 * 5) Data link protocol
 * 6) Data loading
 * 7) Data modem
 * 8) Data module
 * 9) Data mover
 * 10) Data name

Data p-Data r

 * 1) Data parallel
 * 2) Data path
 * 3) Data pipe
 * 4) Data port
 * 5) Data Processing Management Association
 * 6) Data Propagator
 * 7) Data pump
 * 8) Data reduction
 * 9) Data repository
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 * 2) Data set ready
 * 3) Data sharing
 * 4) Data shredder
 * 5) Data signal
 * 6) Data sizes
 * 7) Data source
 * 8) Data switch
 * 9) Data system
 * 10) Data tablet
 * 11) Data terminal ready
 * 12) Data transparency

Datab-Dataw

 * 1) Database driver
 * 2) Database program
 * 3) DataBolts
 * 4) Datacenter manager
 * 5) Datacom analyst
 * 6) DataHub
 * 7) DataPhone
 * 8) Dataport
 * 9) Dataquest
 * 10) DataWorks

Date-Dati

 * 1) Date math
 * 2) Date windowing

Dau

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McChurch

McChurch is a McWord used to suggest that a particular church has a strong element of entertainment, consumerism or commercialism which obscures its religious aspects. The term is sometimes used as a derogatory synonym for megachurch.

Definitions
The precise origins of the term McChurch are unclear, dating back to at least the early 1990s. Prominent media sources using the term include:
 * Robert McClory's 1992 article "Superchurch", published in the U.S. alternative newsweekly The Chicago Reader. This article describes Willow Creek Community Church, a megachurch in South Barrington, Illinois as a McChurch.
 * Charles Colson's 1994 book The Body, which describes a McChurch that the author attended in Japan. The author also uses the term "Hot Tub Religion" to express the same sentiment.
 * Dan Schaeffer's article "McChurch" in the 2002 issue of the Christian-themed Plain Truth Magazine. Schaeffer states that many Christian churches have "gone Las Vegas" in order to grow their congregations.
 * Maine State Representative Stan Moody's 2006 book McChurched which describes a pervasive consumerism in the evangelical Christian community. Moody, a Democrat, attributes this sentiment to the incorporation of Republican pro-capitalist influence into the religious community.
 * Robert Lanham's 2006 book The Sinner's Guide to the Evangelical Right uses the term among others, in describing Megachurches throughout its pages.

While precise definitions of a McChurch also differ, McClory attempted to list the following common elements, which he found at Willow Creek and other similar churches:
 * Presentations and sermons with an emphasis on entertainment, use of modern theatrical technology, and a heavy "feel-good" tone, at the expense of religious experiences such as guilt and self-sacrifice. McClory described the overall sermon content of such churches as "the basic salvation message in contemporary dress and without any of the bitter side effects."
 * The incorporation of revenue-generating businesses within the main church building. This included bookstores, nurseries and day-care centers, gyms, and cafeterias.
 * Majority of attendance and offerings come from meetings that, according to the church's own theology, are not valid church services. For example, the pastor of Willow Creek, Bill Hybels, emphasized that his popular weekend and Sunday services (attendance at the time of the article, 16,000) are "not intended as worship in any formal sense", and are officially designated as informal meetings to attract the "unchurched." The church held its official services (attendance, 4,500) on Wednesday and Thursday nights.
 * Primarily located in suburban and exurban areas, ostensibly to attract higher-class attendees and boost donations. McClory noted that Willow Creek is located in a remote, wooded area, and all attendees required an automobile to attend. He also reported that the church's attendees are almost all drawn from the surrounding upper-class subdivisions of northwest Chicago suburbs.
 * Near-complete lack of religious symbols in and outside the church. Except for a cross-shaped cork bulletin board, no religious symbols could be found either in or around the Willow Creek complex. Likewise, traditional church elements were replaced (e.g., instead of pews, attendees sat in cushioned movie-theater chairs).

Popular culture references

 * The Simpsons episode "She of Little Faith"
 * King of the Hill episode "Church Hopping"
 * Bordertown episode "Megachurch"

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From Our Living Room to Yours

From Our Living Room to Yours is the second album by the American Analog Set, released in 1997 on Emperor Jones. It was recorded on analog equipment at the band's Austin, Texas, home.

Critical reception
SF Weekly wrote that "on 'Where Have All the Good Boys Gone', the relative hush and use of empty space allow aural elements that would have been drowned out in a Great Wall of Marshall stacks to stand crisp and resolute." Rolling Stone called the album "an evocative blend of psychedelic melancholia."

The Chicago Tribune deemed it "a woefully overlooked gem," writing that the band "used a handful of keyboards, guitars and percussion to produce a dreamy, trippy tapestry of minimalist hooks." Nashville Scene labeled the songs' grooves "mesmerizing, like hearing all the odd juxtapositions of an old Yes song smoothed out and shaped into something gentle and calm." AllMusic gave the album a 4.5/5 and said the album "weaves a sonic tapestry of remarkable intricacy and texture" and "is truly a thing of beauty".

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User:Bkwillwm

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My user page on Wikimedia Commons

My Wikipedia interests generally have to do with economics, history, and politics.

To do (short list)

 * History of Virginia-improve
 * What I'm working on User:Bkwillwm/test User:Bkwillwm/test1 User:Bkwillwm/Cerro de Los Santos
 * Cahergall and Leacanabuaile
 * Arrow-Lind theorem
 * St. Louis equation
 * []
 * User:Bkwillwm/Chain drift
 * others, translations, and image seeking as well

My DYKs

 * 1) Edward Stevens (diplomat) (1763 views)
 * 2) Cerro de los Santos (6570 views)
 * 3) Jackknife (statistics) (5670 views)
 * 4) Involuntary unemployment (2811 views)
 * 5) Treasure of El Carambolo (8749 views)
 * 6) Edward Stevens (general) (1365 views)
 * 7) St. Mary's Abbey, Trim (1632 views)
 * 8) Maelsuthain O'Carroll (1726)
 * 9) Ramón de Bonifaz (6194 views)
 * 10) Oyster Wars (3219 views)
 * 11) Royal sites of Ireland (583 views)
 * 12) Solomonic columns
 * 13) North American Phalanx
 * 14) Jack Jouett
 * 15) Francis Nicholson
 * 16) Torre del Oro
 * 17) John Brown's Fort

Articles I've Started
Full list (with disambigs)

 * 1) Catching the Sun (film)
 * 2) Edward Stevens (diplomat)
 * 3) Cerro de los Santos
 * 4) Jackknife (statistics)
 * 5) List of Attorneys General of Virginia
 * 6) Involuntary unemployment
 * 7) United States debt ceiling
 * 8) Empirical likelihood
 * 9) Treasure of El Carambolo
 * 10) Cambridge Circus (economics)
 * 11) Herschel Grossman
 * 12) Cancho Roano
 * 13) New neoclassical synthesis
 * 14) Edward Stevens (general)
 * 15) St. Mary's Abbey, Trim
 * 16) Maelsuthain O'Carroll
 * 17) Ramón de Bonifaz
 * 18) Coordination failure
 * 19) General disequilibrium
 * 20) Real rigidity
 * 21) A Treatise on Probability
 * 22) Home market effect
 * 23) Lucas aggregate supply function
 * 24) Aghadoe Cathedral
 * 25) Royal sites of Ireland
 * 26) Search for a Method
 * 27) Cambridge equation
 * 28) Capulí culture
 * 29) List of countries by Sen social welfare function
 * 30) List of price index formulas
 * 31) Wage insurance
 * 32) Postal Square Building
 * 33) Butterfly (1999 film)
 * 34) Juntas Españolas (translated)
 * 35) Blas Piñar (translated)
 * 36) Alcázar of Toledo
 * 37) Alcazaba
 * 38) Sengzhao
 * 39) Plaza Mayor of Madrid
 * 40) Alcázar de los Reyes Cristianos
 * 41) Offensive realism
 * 42) Constructivism (international relations)
 * 43) Swan diagram
 * 44) Matthew Harris Jouett
 * 45) William Markham (Governor)
 * 46) Frame of Government of Pennsylvania
 * 47) Allegheny Mound Ant
 * 48) Corn crib
 * 49) Ordinance of Labourers
 * 50) Consumption tax
 * 51) Multilateral Development Bank
 * 52) Amatl
 * 53) Solomonic column
 * 54) Tapas (film)
 * 55) Labadists
 * 56) North American Phalanx
 * 57) Christ Church (Lancaster)
 * 58) Oral Allergy Syndrome
 * 59) Aztec philosophy
 * 60) False Face Society
 * 61) Army of the Shenandoah (Confederate)
 * 62) Huexotzinco Codex
 * 63) Gunston Hall
 * 64) Third Man Argument
 * 65) Gravity model of trade
 * 66) Distributive efficiency
 * 67) Jack Jouett
 * 68) Virginia Conventions
 * 69) Gunpowder Incident of Williamsburg
 * 70) Parson's Cause
 * 71) Virginia Resolves
 * 72) Francis Nicholson
 * 73) Linder hypothesis
 * 74) Mocárabe
 * 75) Remittances
 * 76) Alcázar of Seville
 * 77) Reapers' War-Translated
 * 78) Iroquois economics
 * 79) Economic history of Spain
 * 80) Giralda
 * 81) Prehistoric Spain
 * 82) Samuel Griffin
 * 83) Benjamin Goodhue
 * 84) Peter F. Rothermel
 * 85) Frederick W. M. Holliday
 * 86) Elbert Lee Trinkle
 * 87) The Law of Peoples
 * 88) Governor of Virginia
 * 89) Attorney General of Virginia
 * 90) Hassan Tower
 * 91) William M. Tuck
 * 92) Albertis S. Harrison Jr.
 * 93) William Gooch
 * 94) Chellah
 * 95) Torre del Oro
 * 96) The Souls of Black Folk
 * 97) Rebel yell
 * 98) John Brown's Fort
 * 99) Iberians
 * 100) Pact of Madrid
 * 101) List of development aid agencies
 * 102) Spanish transition to democracy-Translated

Articles I've made substantial edits to

 * 1) Labor rights
 * 2) Economic history of the United States
 * 3) Economic inequality
 * 4) State of nature
 * 5) Mudéjar
 * 6) Rabat
 * 7) History of Virginia
 * 8) Tartessos
 * 9) Lollardy
 * 10) History of macroeconomic thought
 * 11) Macroeconomics

Templates I made

 * Template:LOCproj, for Wikiproject:LOC Country Studies

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The Golden Band

The Golden Band is the third studio album studio album by the American indie rock band the American Analog Set, released in 1999 on Emperor Jones Records.

Critical reception
Exclaim! thought that "at last, the band has created melodies and bewitching atmospheres that enhance, rather than negatively emphasise, their deliberate lack of dynamics." The Chicago Tribune noted that the band was moving away from the influence of Stereolab and the Chills, and wrote that "they play brief, unhurried songs and delicate, vibraphone-textured instrumentals that flow dreamily into each other." Texas Monthly opined that "the group's careful silences and hypnotic guitar-vocal motifs could add up to nothing more than pleasing ambience, but the band transcends the surfaces."

AllMusic wrote that "the record insinuates itself on the strength of a subtly expanded emotional palette which lends a haunting new dimension to the group's fragile beauty."

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Know by Heart

Know by Heart is the fourth studio album by the American Analog Set. It was released on September 4, 2001, and was their first album on Tiger Style Records. The song "The Postman" contains vocals by guest Ben Gibbard of Death Cab for Cutie and the Postal Service. Gibbard later covered the song "Choir Vandals" on Home, Vol. 5, a split EP with the American Analog Set's own Andrew Kenny. "Gone To Earth" first appeared on AmAnSet's 1996 album The Fun of Watching Fireworks. "Aaron & Maria" was included in an issue of CMJ New Music Monthly in 2002.

In 2009, "Gone To Earth' was used in the film The Time Traveler's Wife.

title: Know by Heart