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Talk:Wargaming Seattle

Founders lineage
The people who started GPG where, I believe, ex-Cavedog/Humongous Entertainment people, and not ex-Microsoft people.

 * Okay, but do you have a source for this?  — Frecklefoot | Talk 18:49, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I'll try to dig one up. I think perhaps confusion may have arisen due to the fact that early on, Microsoft was signed as the publisher for GPG's first game, Dungeon Siege. So, perhaps this kind of blended things in the mind, as it were. Dxco 20:18, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Postmortem: Gas Powered Games' Dungeon Siege
 * http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20021218/kijanka_pfv.htm
 * By Bartosz Kijanka (This guy is the "Vice President of Engineering" as described on the company website's team list, and was an engineer on Cavedog's Total Annihilation)
 * Gamasutra
 * December 18, 2002

 * "A number of us who worked with Chris in the past, primarily on Total Annihilation, had similar passions, and it wasn't long before we found ourselves cozy once again in a closet office in Kirkland, Wash. We had just finished work on a successful RTS game ..."

 * Great article, by the way. Most post mortems are borderline advertisement for companies. This one was pretty heartfelt and honest. Anyhoo, more generally, if you head to the Moby Games website and do a quick run down the list of people who shipped Dungeon Siege, you'll see Total Annihilation popping up in personal credits left and right. Dxco 20:50, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I changed the info. Thanks for sourcing it! Actually, I probably read that Post Mortem, I just don't remember the details. Was it the one for DungeonSiege? — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:40, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Yep, that's the one. Dxco 17:25, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Hah! Just noticed what appears to be an anal MS employee, correctly changing "Mocrosoft Games Studio" to "Microsoft Game Studio". Awesome - that's got to irk those poor guys, considering how frequently people make that mistake (self included). Dxco 05:20, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

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Huge Fan
Just wanted to say, in case Gas Powered Games ever get's someone reading this. I'm a huge fan of Gas Powered Games and anxiously await future titles. The guys from Cavedog know what they're doing, their TA games including TA:K were the best RTS games of their Genre at the time, and TA:K still feels fresh after all these years. --67.132.247.158 (talk) 01:40, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

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Lunas, Hérault

Lunas (Lunaç) is a commune in the Hérault department in southern France.

It is situated on the D35 between Lodève and Bédarieux.

Climate
Lunas has a warm-summer mediterranean climate (Köppen climate classification Csb). The average annual temperature in Lunas is 13.4 C. The average annual rainfall is 1146.0 mm with October as the wettest month. The temperatures are highest on average in July, at around 21.8 C, and lowest in January, at around 5.7 C. The highest temperature ever recorded in Lunas was 41.0 C on 12 August 2003; the coldest temperature ever recorded was -10.4 C on 2 March 2005.

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The Saint Patrick's Day Four

The Saint Patrick's Day Four (also, The Saint Patrick's Four, or SP4) are four American peace activists of Irish Catholic heritage who poured their own blood on the walls, posters, windows, and a US flag at a military recruiting center to protest the United States' impending invasion of Iraq. Peter De Mott, Daniel Burns, Teresa Grady, and Clare Grady each were members of the Ithaca Catholic Worker community, which teaches that Christians should practice non-violence and devote their lives to service of others. They each served between four and six months in federal prison for their action on Saint Patrick's Day, March 17, 2003, in Lansing, New York, near Ithaca where they reside.

Two trials
Their first trial on state trespass charges, held in Ithaca, ended in a mistrial due to a hung jury.

The four activists were then retried on federal charges in Binghamton, generally considered to be a more conservative area where obtaining a conviction would be easier. However, local activists staged a massive protest outside the courthouse each day of the trial, and organized a six-day Citizen's Tribunal on Iraq (modeled after the World Tribunal on Iraq), featuring many internationally known speakers.

The four defended themselves pro se, but were assisted by a team of attorneys, such as William P. Quigley. Although they were cleared of the most serious charges, they were convicted of misdemeanor charges of damage to government property and entering a military station for an unlawful purpose.

The four defendants
Daniel Burns was born in 1963 the tenth of twelve children of a former mayor of Binghamton, NY. He worked for twenty years in the film industry, and is a member of the Directors Guild of America. He has traveled to Iraq and to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, as part of a delegation from Christian Peacemaker Teams. Some of his siblings perform as The Burns Sisters.

Teresa Grady was born in 1965. She worked as a dance instructor, and as a licensed massage therapist with a private practice. She is a founding member of the Ithaca Catholic Worker community after working with a similar community in San Jose, CA. It was there that Teresa says she began to understand the connection between local poverty and global war-making. Fluent in Spanish, Teresa also works to assist refugees from Latin America. Along with Burns and her sister Clare, she visited Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in 2005 and attempted to gain access to the U.S. military base there to protest the treatment of the detainees, many held without charges.

Clare Grady was born in 1958, and has worked as a kitchen coordinator at Loaves and Fishes Community Kitchen for seventeen years. In addition to belonging to the Ithaca Catholic Worker community, she also belongs to the Atlantic Life Community, Phillip and his brother Daniel Berrigan being notable members. She is married to Paul Sayvetz, and has two daughters. Clare and Teresa are daughters of John Peter Grady, a peace activist, who as one of the Camden 28, broke into a local draft board and destroyed records.

Peter De Mott was born in 1947 and died in 2009. He served in the Vietnam War as a United States Marine and later served in Turkey as a U. S. Army translator. During this time he developed strong anti-war beliefs, and joined the Catholic Worker Movement in 1979, with a focus on addressing the causes of poverty, unemployment and homelessness. In 2003, he traveled to Iraq as part of a Christian Peacemaker Team. He was married to Ellen Grady (sister of Clare and Teresa), and they had four daughters.

Kings Bay plowshares action at Trident nuclear submarine base
On October 24, 2019, Clare Grady was convicted on four counts in federal court in Brunswick, Georgia for entering and symbolically nonviolently disarming the Trident submarine's nuclear weapons. On April 4, 2018, Grady with six other people entered the base and performed symbolic acts of disarmament. Other defendants were Elizabeth McAlister, Martha Hennessy (granddaughter of the founder of the Catholic Worker, Dorothy Day), Carmen Trotta, Patrick O’Neill, Fr. Steve Kelly, SJ, and Mark Colville. In November 2020 two of the seven activists were sentenced, with Clare Grady receiving a prison sentence of one year and one day and Carmen Trotta receiving a prison sentence of 14 months. The defendants were also ordered to pay a share of the $33,503.51 it cost to clean and repair the damage done.

In popular culture
In 2006 documentary film about the activists titled The trial of the St. Patrick's four was made by Adolfo Doring

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Origin: Carl Wilhelm Hahn; Curriculum vitae from 1819, In: residence records of the Nuremberg town archives, shelf mark C 7 NL.2570.

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User talk:PROTEUS

Image:Senzala-logo.jpg currently has no source, and no usage (after its only article was deleted owing to copyright problems). Please could you add source and licensing information to the image within 7 days? If you don't, it will have to be deleted. Thanks. -Splash talk 22:27, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

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Mushaf

Mushaf (مُصْحَف, ; plural مَصَاحِف) is an Arabic word for a codex or collection of sheets, but also refers to a written copy of the Quran. The chapters of the Quran, which Muslims believe was revealed during a 23-year period in Muhammad's lifetime, were written on various pieces of paper during Muhammad's era. Two decades later, these papers were assembled into one volume under the third caliph, Uthman ibn Affan, and this collection has formed the basis of all written copies of the Quran to the present day.

In Arabic, al-Qur’ān means 'the Recitation', and Islam states that it was recited orally by Muhammad after receiving it via the angel Gabriel. The word muṣḥaf is meant to distinguish between Muhammad's recitations and the physical, written Quran. This term does not appear in the Quran itself, though it does refer to itself as a kitāb (كِتَابٌ), or book or writings, from yaktubu (يَكْتُبُ) or to write, in many verses.

Some Islamic scholars also use the term muṣḥaf to refer to all the revelations contained within the book itself, while using al-Qur’ān to refer to all verses revealed to Muhammad during his lifetime, including those abrogated and removed from the muṣḥaf prior to its final written form, as mentioned in some hadith. For this reason, these scholars say that there is only one possible version of the Quran, but multiple possible versions of the muṣḥaf.

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User talk:HQ

Welcome
Welcome!

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Please do not cut and paste an article's contents into a new page. Doing so destroys a page's history. Use the "move" button up at the top of the page. I went ahead and fixed it. By the way, where did you hear that the game's name was changed to Resistance? Thunderbrand 00:21, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

 * It was reported here. Sorry about that, too. Didn't know how to redirect until now.

Jak 4
Ok,I see,but if it was forrbidden, wouldn't Wikipedia deleted? and If I have to deleted, can I fuse the Jak 4 article with the Jak and Daxter:TLF article together? Makes you think a little-The Next Big Thing

June 29, 2006 20:28

What's your deal?
What's your problem? Thinking Jak and Daxter: TLF should deleted. Come on,m it's an upcoming game and there are other sites that talk about this game. What's the point in deleting it when it's going to come back again when the game comes out. Your really dumb. What part of "upcoming game" are you not understanding? --Naruto134 00:00, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

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Little Boy Blue (novel)

Little Boy Blue is a 1981 semi-autobiographical novel by Edward Bunker that follows his journey into crime.

Plot summary
Alex Hammond is an 11-year-old boy living in Los Angeles, California. His father Clem Hammond is a carpenter who has been struggling to find a job ever since the Great Depression hit the US. Alex's parents are separated and he is very close with his father. However, Clem does not have the resources to support Alex. As a result, he attempts to have outside intervention in supporting Alex such as enrolling him into military school and placing him into foster homes. Alex has run away from all of these places and exhibits temper tantrums because he does not want to be away from his father. His bursts of rage cause authorities and fellow inmates in various institutions to believe that he is crazy, specifically displaying the early traits of psychopathy, such as what is deemed to be "criminal versatility".

The story starts out in 1943, with Alex, Clem, and a social worker going from LA to the Valley Home For Boys in San Fernando Valley where Alex will live. However, he meets up with trouble there because one of his roommates Sammy decides to shoplift from a store. Even though Alex does not steal anything, the housemother Thelma Cavendish decides to punish him. This unfair act in the eyes of Alex causes him to attack her and he rips her dress. He decides to run away with Sammy.

They decide to burglarize a shop during the night, but the owners investigate as the boys are inside. Alex shoots one of the owners with a pistol that he had found when they broke in. Alex runs away, but he gets caught very soon. The police beat him and humiliate him. He finds out that his father died in a tragic accident while attempting to find him.

Alex goes to Juvenile Hall. There, he first sees the brutal violence that is so typical of a prison and other institutions. He quickly learns about the usefulness of such violence and how it can protect him from various injustices. It is also here that he learns about racial identity and racism. His love for reading and his high intelligence sets him apart from the other juvenile delinquents.

He is sent to Camarillo, a state mental institution to determine whether or not he is insane. There, he meets First Choice Floyd and Red Barzo who are two black heroin addicts. They teach him how to play poker and how to box. He also starts to masturbate. Eventually, Alex meets an older teen called Scabs. They regularly sneak out of the institution. One day, Scabs teaches Alex how to hot-wire a car, and they leave. Alex is not able to go back to the institution so he decides to stay in the city. It is not long before the authorities find him and they send him to Pacific Colony.

Alex regards the new institution as a lot worse than Camarillo. One night, one of the members of the staff nicknamed “The Jabber” beats Alex for a minor infraction that he did not commit. He fights back in self-defense, and hurts the Jabber. He gets into trouble again and gets sent back to Juvenile Hall before going to another juvenile institution at Whittier. He gets into one more fight.

At Whittier, Alex gets into more conflicts and he fights so that no one would regard him as a “punk.” (In other words, an inmate who gets sodomized.) He finally decides to escape with a friend named Joe Altabella (also credited as "JoJo").

They escape successfully, to where they hide out with the rest of JoJo's family (primarily Italian-Americans), and Alex meets JoJo’s sister Teresa as well as their younger sister Lisa, the latter of whom seems to hold most affection for Alex over time. At this point in the novel, Alex is 13 and he starts to have sexual feelings for her as well as other girls. Soon, Alex meets Teresa’s 17-year-old boyfriend Wedo and the two boys begin to like each other. However, JoJo and Alex eventually get caught, both at separate instances. This time, Alex gets sent to Preston, an even stricter institution.

At Preston, an older boy, Kennedy, cons Alex out of his shoes. Out of great anger, Alex unscrews a fire hose nozzle and attacks him with it, almost killing him. Alex is unrepentant in the face of authorities. One of them wants to send Alex to San Quentin State Prison, but he is too young at the age of 13 so he is put into solitary confinement. He actually prefers this because he can be away from the violence and he can read in peace. Eventually, he serves his time and gets released into the custody of his aunt and her husband. Alex finds them to be quite hospitable and he helps them by working at their cafe.

However, after having walked out one day, this superficially placid exterior is shattered by the unjustly great indignance towards his lengthy absence from both relatives, his uncle threatening to attack him. Recalling prior attacks upon him ala "The Jabber", Alex threatens to kill them if they dare to attack him. He runs away and finds Wedo again. The older teen has become a heroin addict and must commit robbery in order to support his drug habit. The two youths begin to rob drugstores, taking the money and selling the drugs. One night, they attempt to rob a store, but the owners shoot Wedo with a shotgun. Alex gets hit, in a literary reprise of the event that brought him into the prison system to begin with, and he gives up. The novel ends with him drifting into unconsciousness, surrounded by the police as he is about to be taken to a hospital.

Themes
This book is an example of many aspects of the study of criminology since many of the events demonstrate how a criminal will behave under certain conditions. This book is critical of the various authorities who mete out punishments for crimes. Alex has problems with authorities because he sees them and the institutions they represent as ultimately unfair and biased. Therefore, the book is most closely linked to the symbolic interactionist school of sociological thought.

The idea of anomie is also expressed in the way that Alex acts as a result of various conditions that he strives for but cannot attain. For example, near the beginning of the novel he only wants to be able to live with his father, but this is not possible because his father cannot afford to support him. Therefore, Alex engages in various deviant behaviors such as running away from the places where he is kept.

Labeling theory can also be used to explain Alex's behavior. He is treated and labeled as a criminal and as a mentally feeble individual due to his willingness to participate in violence, even though he is a very intelligent boy and he does enjoy learning (contrary to the other juvenile delinquents). This continuous labeling causes him to take on deviant behavior as his own, and this causes him to not be able to function in the normal society. Therefore, it is apparent proof that society is indeed greatly responsible for much of its considered "undesirables", through pegging individuals by amplifying their supposed problems and having a collective expectation of them to follow through it.

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Unfortunately Lance passed away today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.106.243.42 (talk) 04:54, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

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St. Clements (electoral district)

St. Clements is a former provincial electoral division in Manitoba, Canada, which existed on two separate occasions. The original constituency was one of twenty-four established at the province's creation in 1870. It was eliminated through redistribution before the 1888 provincial election, but was restored for the 1914 election. The division was eliminated for the second time by redistribution prior to the 1958 election.

St. Clements was located to the northeast of Winnipeg. After its elimination, much of its territory was included in the new constituency of Brokenhead.

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David Levine

David Levine (December 20, 1926 – December 29, 2009) was an American artist and illustrator best known for his caricatures in The New York Review of Books. Jules Feiffer has called him "the greatest caricaturist of the last half of the 20th Century".

Early life and education
Levine was born in Brooklyn, where his father Harry ran a small clothing factory. His mother, Lena, was a nurse and political activist who had communist sympathies. He began to draw as a child, displaying a precocious talent that, at the age of nine, won him an invitation to audition for an animator's position in Disney's Los Angeles Studios.

Levine later studied painting at Pratt Institute, at Temple University's Tyler School of Art in Philadelphia in 1946, and with Hans Hofmann. Immediately following World War II, Levine served in the U. S. Army. After his service, he graduated from Temple with a degree in education and completed his studies at its Tyler School.

Career
Levine initially hoped to be a full-time painter, but was often forced to subsist on illustration work from publications like Gasoline Retailer. Nevertheless, he turned out a body of paintings, although many of these were destroyed in a fire in 1968. Levine's paintings are mostly watercolors that often depict garment workers, honoring his father's employees, and bathers at Coney Island. The paintings, in contrast to his illustrations, are "sympathetic portraits of ordinary citizens, fond and respectful renderings of the distinctive seaside architecture, panoramas with people on the beach." Levine, together with Aaron Shikler founded the Painting Group in 1958, a salon of artists with whom he gathered for fifty years to paint models. The group was the subject of a 2007 documentary called Portraits of a Lady, which followed their creation of simultaneous portraits of U. S. Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor.

A job at Esquire in the early 1960s saw Levine develop his skills as a political illustrator. His first work for The New York Review of Books appeared in 1963, just a few months after the paper was founded. Subsequently, he drew more than 3,800 pen-and-ink caricatures of famous writers, artists and politicians for the publication. Levine would review a draft of the article to be illustrated, together with photos or other images sent by the staff of the Review. Within a few days, he would return a finished drawing that caught "a large fact about his subject's character"; "his brilliance lay in weaving [the article's] ideas with his own". Only about half of Levine's caricatures were created for the Review. Other work has appeared in Esquire (over 1,000 drawings), The New York Times, The Washington Post, Rolling Stone, Sports Illustrated, New York, Time, Newsweek, The New Yorker, The Nation, Playboy, and others.

As a caricaturist for these publications, Levine distinguished his process from that of political cartoonists: "I could take time to really look it over and think about it, read the articles and so on. The political cartoonists don't get a chance. The headlines are saying this and this about so-and-so, and you have to come up with something which is approved by an editor. I almost never had to get an approval. In forty years I may have run into a disagreement with The New York Review maybe two times." However, as his son Matthew Levine wrote in 1979, on at least three occasions The New York Times refused to print works it had specifically commissioned David Levine to draw for its op-ed page, including cartoons of Henry Kissinger, Richard Nixon, and former New York mayor Ed Koch.

In 1967, he was elected into the National Academy of Design as an Associate member and became a full Academician in 1971. Levine's work has been exhibited extensively in galleries and museums around the world, and several collections of his paintings and drawings have been published by the Review and elsewhere, such as The Arts of David Levine, published by Knopf in 1978. In 2008, he published a book, American Presidents, featuring his drawings of U.S. Presidents over five decades, which was also the basis for an exhibit at the New York Public Library.

Reputation
John Updike, whom Levine drew many times, wrote in the 1970s: "Besides offering us the delight of recognition, his drawings comfort us, in an exacerbated and potentially desperate age, with the sense of a watching presence, an eye informed by an intelligence that has not panicked, a comic art ready to encapsulate the latest apparitions of publicity as well as those historical devils who haunt our unease. Levine is one of America's assets. In a confusing time, he bears witness. In a shoddy time, he does good work."

The New York Times described Levine's illustrations as "macro-headed, somberly expressive, astringently probing and hardly ever flattering caricatures of intellectuals and athletes, politicians and potentates" that were "heavy in shadows cast by outsize noses on enormous, eccentrically shaped heads, and replete with exaggeratedly bad haircuts, 5 o'clock shadows, ill-conceived mustaches and other grooming foibles ... to make the famous seem peculiar-looking in order to take them down a peg". The paper commented: "His work was not only witty but serious, not only biting but deeply informed, and artful in a painterly sense as well as a literate one." Levine drew his most frequent subject, former president Richard M. Nixon, 66 times, depicting him as, among other things, the Godfather, Captain Queeg, and a fetus.

According to Vanity Fair, "Levine put together a facebook of human history ... the durability of those Levine depicted, plus the unique insight with which he drew them, guarantees the immortality of his works". Levine's work, taken as a whole, had a leftwing bent, and he claimed still to be a communist, although people of all political persuasions came in for the same acid treatment in Levine's caricatures. Levine said that "by making the powerful funny-looking ... he might encourage some humility or self-awareness". Levine also described his purpose as follows: "Caricature is a form of hopeful statement: I'm drawing this critical look at what you're doing, and I hope that you will learn something from what I'm doing."

Last years and death
In 2006, Levine was diagnosed with macular degeneration, an eye disease that leads to blindness. While the Review continued to run Levine's older work, no new work appeared there after April 2007.

On December 29, 2009, Levine died at New York Presbyterian Hospital at the age of 83. His death was caused by prostate cancer and a number of subsequent illnesses. He was survived by his second wife, Kathy Hayes (whom he married in 1996), two children, Matthew and Eve, two stepchildren, Nancy and Christopher Rommelmann and grandchildren.

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A fine article, but you should mention the timely arrival of French artillery ammunition (75mm shells) and frentic attempts to shorten theese shells in time for the counterattack. This was done in Kragujevac war factory. The shells were 2mm too long (by some mistake) for Serbian guns. I think this was also an important factor in this victory.

Veljko Stevanovich —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.137.119.18 (talk • contribs) 2005-09-30T17:29:08

 * WP:NPOV throughout article. Heavily slanted to Serbian POV.LeadSongDog (talk) 14:47, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Rollbacks
Please do not roll back other peoples edits to correct ip vandals, just revert their specific changes.LeadSongDog (talk) 21:15, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Ok, have done so Shipseggsbasket (talk) 11:05, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Neutrality Disputed Tag
The article contains de Neutrality Disputed Tag, but the Talk page does not show specific reasons for it. Please note NPOV Dispute policy, which strongly discourages driving-by tagging and recommends the disputes to be discussed on the talk page, pointing to specific issues. Since no such discussion is shown, I think it is fair to remove the tag. M.Campos (talk) 01:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's hardly drive-by. See my comment above.  I'd have thought even a cursory read of the article would make it clear that it is heavily slanted to the Serbian perspective.  If it`s really necessary, though I can go through it line by line and add tags.   If you want to make a contribution, identifying some quality references in English would be a big step forward. LeadSongDog (talk) 04:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I did not intended to be offensive with "driving by tagging".

You are pointing at one major problem: the information are not sourced.

I propose the following proceedure, which I believe matches fully the WP policies: if you have factual errors to point out, you may chalenge the information. The bourden of proof lays on whom placed the statement, and if no credible source is stated, you may remove the chalenged point.

If you believe the problem are not factual errors, but the bias lays in emphasis given to specific points, or in language used (as often happens in controvertial articles), you are welcome to rewrite the text and present it here on talk page for discussion.

I am afraid the line by line approach is the only way to have the article improved. Tagging is a kind of last resource when an agreement cannot be achieved, and is higly unsatisfactory to the reader. If there is no discussion about in the talk page, he does not even have the opportunity to understand which are the disputed points. The whole text, even the parts that are correct stay under suspicion, being almost useless. 201.82.253.148 (talk) 13:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm on the verge of putting it up for WP:AFD. As far as the article shows, it could be pure fiction and we wouldn't know.  The other-language articles are similarly unsourced or poorly sourced.  Have a look.LeadSongDog (talk) 14:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, if You don't know anything about this battle, how can You say it is POV? Yes, I'm a Serb, but I don't see what it is POV. However, it does require reliable sources. I have a book in Serbian about Serbian campaign in WWI, but it probably won't help. --  Bojan  20:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If the only sources of information are from one side, that's pretty much the definition of Point of View.LeadSongDog (talk) 21:48, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well if you don't know and haven't heard of any others, what makes you sure that it is a PoV and not a NPoV, even though it does come from one side of the conflict? You're the one disputing it's neutrality... try searching troughout austrian sources(i understand that not understanding the german might be the issue), i see no problem there... If there are only listed serbian sources and no ppl from austria is objecting to them, wouldn't you at least allow it that it might be true? -- P rim E vi L  22:47, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * In any case, since I placed that tag in February, I've managed to find a few potential sources (see the diff), but still, very few statements are attributed to sources (in any language!) I don't want to rush to plaster  all through the article, but that may be the appropriate way to address its lack of attributions if nobody steps up to tackle it. LeadSongDog (talk) 05:37, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

OK. I think you should place citation tags where they are necessary, then I will add the sources. OK? --  Bojan  07:42, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've made a start at it. I see at ISBN 0760319375 an assertion of casualty figures (much as given on the article) were for the entire campaign, not just for this battle.  Perhaps that's the source of the dispute we can see in the edit history.LeadSongDog (talk) 15:38, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

"After the Battle of Cer, the Serbian army retreated to the right bank of the Kolubara river."

We should expand this part of the article. After Battle of Cer, under pressure of Allies, inferior Serbian army crossed Sava river and underwent Srem operation. Serbs conquered Zemun, but final outcome of Srem operation was Serbian retreat. Then, Austrian and Serbian forces waged indecisive Battle of Mačkov kamen. In September 1914. Serbian and Montenegrin army attacked Bosnia and entered in Srebrenica, Han Pijesak, Glasinac. Montenegrin army even came near Sarajevo, but in October 1914. Austrians repeled both Serbian and Monenegrin armies back into their countries. From this point Battle of Kolubara begins. --  Bojan  18:11, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Got refs? Srem doesn't link to an operation.  LeadSongDog (talk) 22:11, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I know. Sources for this is book of Nikola B. Popović: Srbi u Prvom svetskom ratu 1914-1918 (Serbs in the First World War 1914-1918). Also, a Slovene website also mention Srem operation (Sremska operacija): Sremska operacija (september) – neuspešen napad srbskih sil preko Save - Srem operation - (september) - unsuccessful offensive of Serbian army across Sava --  Bojan  04:08, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * For the former, citation is:

LeadSongDog (talk) 05:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. --  Bojan  05:35, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

But what is not yet resolved? I think sources is sufficient --  Bojan  19:06, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This is getting circular. The way the process works is first identify the sources, second verify their reliability, third include the content.  What we're trying to do is starting from step 3, going to work on step 1, and still haven't touched step 2.  It's made much worse by the fact that few if any of the sources have translations available into English, German, or Hungarian, any of which might help to reduce the skepticism as to their reliability or objectivity.  Here's a workable approach: in each citation add a quote=yadda yadda yadda (English: blah blah blah)

At least this will reduce the difficulty in testing assertions.LeadSongDog (talk) 19:37, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

It would be hard work, but I'll try. --  Bojan  20:01, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

m8, we(he) don't have any reason to question those books, as biased as that may sound... frankly, i've never encountered any(and i realy mean - ANY) source depicting this battle differently... i understand your concerns, but i don't beleive there's any need for it... first of all, i doubt that bokicak would cite any speculable book written in serbia, secondly, you're the one that's opposing the written history in serbian sources... wouldn't/shouldn't you be the one searching for sources of "the other side" or neutral ones(british, french, etc)? take care. -- P rim E vi L 21:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Look at it the other way. A new reader comes along, sees the assertion, wants to learn more.  Where does (s)he go?  Even if averthing said was correct, this is supposed to be encyclopedic, meaning it should be a tertiary reference.  Without citations, it becomes primary, and wikipedia doesn't do primary.  (Lots of other places for that, including wikibooks.)  Anyhow, I've chased down a number of English sources.  See Further reading.  As they are cited, these can be moved to inline references.LeadSongDog (talk) 21:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * it apears to me that you're trying to imply that BokicaK or myself have actualy participated WWI and this battle and we're trying to evocate our memories? :D seriously mate, everything i know about WWI(balcan warfare) is read from either history books in school(every history book in serbia is - as far as i know - written by a redeemed historian) or collection of biographies of 4serbian vojvodas(most notably the one about Zivojin Misic, the commander of the 1st army at the time) or, maybe, some other book... therefore, as far as i'm concerned, the neutrality of this article is hardly disputed, primarily because there is not a single thing that could be potentialy disptuted... your fear is simply based on the fact that the majority of the sources are serbian, but, let me ask you, don't you find that to be most natural thing? regards -- P rim E vi L 18:48, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * ROFL. This isn't about fear.  In fact I have little sympathy with either side and don't much care what's said in the article if it meets encyclopedic standards. We are writing for a world-wide audience of English readers, not just for readers of Serbian in Serbia.  Verifiability is a core policy, not a guideline.  All readers should be able to verify that what is said comes from reliable sources.  They are not expected to learn a new language to do that.  We avoid relying on primary sources that may be difficult for readers to access (paper-only archival sources, etc.)  Just because you or I trust a source doesn't mean a specific reader does.  Indeed, the reader of wikipedia may not even know the source's publisher, let alone the author: why would they trust them? Please, just put your energy into making the article better.  When the statements are backed up with suitable citations, I'll be more than happy to remove the tag.LeadSongDog (talk) 02:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I just consulted the "World War I: Encyclopedia", by Tucker and Roberts, page 643, and I was able to confirm most of the information stated in the article. There were also some differences, which I revised according to that source. That book and the Popovic one cover near all the article content. The only exception are the Potiorek plans after the fall of Belgrade, so the "citation needed" note remains there. If that specific information is chalenged, I will revise it or remove it. But the "Unsourced Tag" is no longer justified and I removed it.
 * Popovic book in Serbian is a valid source. According to WP:NONENG (which is part of the very same WP:V mentioned above), the source in English is preffered (but not mandatory) "assuming the availability of an English-language source of equal quality". I am not aware of such source in English(and I had hard time searching for it), but if someone know it, and wish to revise the article according to it, he is always free to do it.
 * I think now we filled all the conditions to remove the "POV tag". If someone desagrees, he is welcome to state his arguments. But please, be specific. Just putting the tag there, without stating accurately what is being challenged does not help at all to improve the article. It is also not fair to the user, since it casts shadow of doubt on also on those data that are correct and suitable sourced.M.Campos (talk) 17:00, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Getting there, anyhow. Still relies too heavily on one modern English source, though.  I've cleaned up the cites a bunch, that may help. Something by an Austrian or Hungarian author in English might help to balance it.LeadSongDog (talk) 18:31, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If you have access to some Austrian or Hungarian source, please help improving the quality of the article by including information you find there.
 * But please note once we attended what you asked to remove the tag (source in English), you increased the your demand to a completely new level. If you say that the article could beneffit from more numerous and diversified sources, I fully support it and invite you and other readers to contribute. But that is a different thing that saying article breaches NPOV policy.
 * Your argumentation does not contain any concrete claim that false information were included, relevant data omitted or biased languleage used. Just leaving the article with an ethernal "Neutrality Disputed" tag is not an acceptable solution nor for me neither, I beleive, for Wikipedia Project. I would really like to avoid that, but I am afraid we will have to go through the dispute resolution process if you insist in keeping the tag without substantiating your position. I am removing the tag. M.Campos (talk) 12:16, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Copyvio
It appears that %D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0 was the first wiki article on this topic, then it was copied and extended elsewhere. Unfortunately the oldest content there seems to have copyvios from this source (The Serbian royal family website) that it didn't cite.LeadSongDog (talk) 20:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * See this discussion diff for dismissal of the copyvio.LeadSongDog (talk) 22:24, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Nicolas von Krìszèw
The Austrian commander Nicolas von Krìszèw is a hoax. Therefor, I undid the edit of 10 March 2008 diff

See also: it:Wikipedia:Pagine da cancellare/Nicolas von Krìszèw --MaEr (talk) 13:39, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Casualties
They are wrong! Austro-Hungarians lost that number of soldiers (KIA+WIA+MIA+POW) IN THE WHOLE 1914. which means they include losses at Battle of Cer, and Battle of Drina, the latter being a battle of similar size, or even biger than this battle, but less known in Serbia as it ended in a draw (it encompasses all the actions after Cer that Bojan mentioned and more). And the number is from a Serbian source (Savo Skoko and Petar Opačić: Vojvoda Stepa Stepanović) that allegedly used an Austro-Hungarian source (Lezter Krieg by a group of Austrian authors) for their casualties (on the other hand, British historian Cyrill Falls puts them at ~ 215.000 for the whole year, but it is unclear where he got the number). In the whole 1914 the Serbs lost ~ 170.000 soldiers (all sources agree on this). As for the Serbian casualties in the battlebox I really dont know how this number was compiled —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.74.161.222 (talk) 13:49, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Serbian soldiers marching through the countryside, c. 1914. is not a photo of serbian infantry
This needs to be updated correctly. This is a picture of Otoman army or similar. It should be replaced with photo of serbian infantry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.110.227.84 (talk) 22:52, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Web link for West Point original map
The caption for the map is using an old web link for the map. the relevant link today seems to be https://www.westpoint.edu/sites/default/files/inline-images/academics/academic_departments/history/WWI/WWOne32.pdf MadScot (talk) 03:24, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Location
Most WW1 Wikipedia Battles contain the coordinates of where it occurred. I would like it if it were included. Edit: I see where it occured: 44° 16′ 0″ N, 19° 53′ 0″ E 73.189.177.222 (talk) 02:58, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

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Qudshanis

Qudshanis, (also: Kuçanis or Kochanes, officially Konak, Koçanis,, ; ), is a small village in the Hakkâri District of Hakkâri Province, Turkey. The village is populated by Kurds of the Pinyanişî tribe and population was 30 in 2023.

It was significant in the history of the Church of the East (whose continuation is at the head of what since 1976 has adopted the name of Assyrian Church of the East ) in that it was the seat of a line of patriarchs for many centuries  until mid-1915, when Mar Shimun XIX Benyamin along with the rest of the Assyrians of Hakkari were forced to flee as part of the Sayfo.

History
The village was founded in 1672 by Chaldean Catholics from the city of Amida who, upon settling here, broke off with the Catholic church and founded a new branch of the Church of the East in 1692, ruled by the Shimun line. From that point on the village functioned as the de facto capital of the Assyrian tribes in the region. The government of the Hakkari mountains was that of a tribal confederation, with Assyrian tribes such as the Tyari and Nochiya living in villages across the region, with their own leaders known as maliks. The tribes were subservient to the patriarch based in Qodchanis and paid him taxes, which the patriarch then gave to the Ottomans. Therefore, the patriarch functioned as a king of sorts for the Assyrians of the mountains, and his See in Qodchanis functioned as the capital of their confederation. The confederation was in effect almost like a vassal state ruled by the Ottoman Empire, and even then the Assyrians were not subservient to the Sultan, but rather the Patriarch. Upon his declaration of war in 1915, the tribes of the region immediately went into open rebellion against the Turks.

In a relatively isolated area, Qodshanis was for many years cut off from the outside world up until 1829, when a German traveller discovered it. Visitors from the West began arriving as emissaries. One of these emissaries, an Englishman known as William Ainger Wigram, described it in his book The Cradle of Mankind: Life in Eastern Kurdistan (1922):

The village of Qudshanis, which is the residence of the Nestorian or Assyrian Patriarch, Mar Shimun, and the headquarters of his Church, has a marvellous situation. It lies on a sloping alp of rugged pasture, between two mountain torrents which spring from the towering snow-fields to the west of it; and which descend in gradually deepening gorges, enclosing the tongue-shaped plateau on which the village stands. They meet beneath the point of the tongue at the base of a lofty wedge of rock; and thence the united stream flows on, joined by others on its way, till it falls into the Zab some two hours below the village. Nestorian tradition regards the Zab as the Pison [or Pishon/Uizhun], one of the four rivers of Paradise; and the Patriarch will occasionally date his official letters from my cell on the River of the Garden of Eden.

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User talk:Rb234

Vandalism
Please refrain from adding nonsense to Wikipedia, as you did to Japan. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. -Loren 22:29, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

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Craig Baldwin

Craig Baldwin (born 1952) is an American experimental filmmaker. He uses found footage from the fringes of popular consciousness as well as images from the mass media to undermine and transform the traditional documentary, infusing it with the energy of high-speed montage and a provocative commentary that targets subjects from intellectual property rights to rampant consumerism.

Early life
Craig Baldwin was born in Oakland, California. He grew up the youngest child in a middle-class family in Carmichael. During high school, he became interested in Beatnik culture. He went to underground film screenings and started filming with a Super 8 camera.

Baldwin attended college at University of California at Davis. There, he took film classes through the theater department and began collecting films. He was also politically active as a student. Baldwin left UC Davis in the early 1970s and later attended the University of California at Santa Barbara.

Early activities (1976–1990)
Baldwin made his Super 8 film Stolen Movie in 1976 by running into movie theaters and filming the screen. He made his next short film, Flick Skin, while working at porn theaters. Baldwin made his 1978 film Wild Gunman, a critical look at the figure of the Marlboro Man, using clips from the 1974 Nintendo arcade game of the same name, as well as B-movies and advertisements obtained from grindhouses.

In 1984, Baldwin moved to San Francisco's Mission District and contributed to the founding of Artists' Television Access In 1987, he started his long-running Other Cinema series at the space. In 1986, Baldwin earned an M.A. from San Francisco State University. It was there that he first became interested in collage film during his studies with Bruce Conner.

It was during this period that Baldwin started amassing a large collection of film works, many of which were discarded by institutions moving over to VHS. He drew from this collection for his 1986 film RocketKitKongoKit, which narrates the CIA's role in establishing Mobutu Sese Seko's military dictatorship in Zaire (now the DR Congo) and the history of rocket testing there by a German weapons manufacturer. It often visually re-enacts the story with loosely associated footage, such as cartoons, industrial films, or science fiction films. Like many of Baldwin's later works, RocketKitKongoKit used documentary techniques not to present an authoritative history but to counter official histories by presenting alternative histories and blurring the boundaries between them.

An early proponent of culture jamming, Baldwin has altered billboards with political messages and has documented the work of the Billboard Liberation Front through the 1990s.

Mid-career work (1991–2000)
Tribulation 99: Alien Anomalies Under America (1991) is an account of CIA intervention in developing countries (as well as a critique of paranoid conspiracy theories) presented in the form of a pseudo-documentary that recounts the history of an alien occupation of Latin America in 99 brief ramblings. J. Hoberman put Tribulation 99 as #3 on his list of the ten best films 1991–2000.

Baldwin's ¡O No Coronado! (1992) is a retelling of the invasion of the American southwest by Francisco Vázquez de Coronado in the mid-16th century. It was his first film to include original live-action footage. His next film, Sonic Outlaws, spotlights the Concord-based band Negativland, which was sued in 1991 by U2 over a parody sound collage it had made. Baldwin's film chronicles that case along with various activist groups working for copyright reform.

Baldwin's 1999 film Spectres of the Spectrum is a science fiction allegory that tells the story of a young woman with telepathic powers who travels back in time to save the world from an electro-magnetic pulse. The film takes a cautionary stance against the media outlets in charge of creating and perpetuating the popular mainstream, and in doing so, follows the trajectory, through collage, of media from its beginnings to the present. In 2000 Baldwin received the Moving Image Creative Capital Award.

Later work (2001–present)
Baldwin established Other Cinema Digital in 2003 to provide distribution for films by independent, underground, and experimental filmmakers. In 2005 the label partnered with Facets Video to distribute a series of works on DVD.

In 2008, Baldwin created Mock Up on Mu, a fictional story based heavily on real facts of the lives of L. Ron Hubbard, Marjorie Cameron, Aleister Crowley, and Jack Parsons. Mostly assembled from found footage, Mock Up on Mu includes more original live-action footage than in earlier projects.

Baldwin has taught at UC Davis and UC Berkeley. Craig Baldwin: Avant to Live!, a 2023 book published by San Francisco Cinematheque and INCITE, surveys his work and career.

Filmography

 * Stolen Movie (1976)
 * Flick Skin (1977)
 * Wild Gunman (1978)
 * RocketKitKongoKit (1986)
 * Tribulation 99: Alien Anomalies Under America (1991)
 * ¡O No Coronado! (1992)
 * Sonic Outlaws (1995)
 * Spectres of the Spectrum (1999)
 * Mock Up on Mu (2009)

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Category talk:Internet service providers

how do you edit this page?
 * Alter the text on the individual pages - you'll find at the end. that can be changed/replaced with a better category if you think it needs changing. Ian3055 12:04, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I have had a go at making this page work better geographically, have added a category for US ISPs but some may have slipped through being moved. Ian3055 12:04, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Categorization discussion notice
There is a discussion going on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_March_17#Internet_providers_standardization to settle the "in country" / "of country" nomenclature. The discussion is a CFD, so it should run for 7 days from the timestamp on this message. --Syrthiss 20:32, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

The people contributing to that debate have completely missed the point. The idea of using 'in' instead of 'of' is to tell people what companies are operating in what countries. It's not ideal at all to just say where the company has come from. People need to be informed as to which ISPs are operating in their country and their background (of) so that they can get the best deal possible and make an informed choice.

For example if we were talking about oil corporations, one might want to know that a green company is in operation in their country and the level of its operation in relation to other corps, this would enable that person to make an informed choice as to which oil company to choose, they would be armed with information as to all the providers in their country so they could get the best deal too.

categorisinig companies as to where they originate in the absence of where they operate is misinforming consumers as to the nature of in this case the telecommunications industry in their country, how much foreign ownership there is etc etc etc. These categories help people recieve this information. Supposed 06:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)