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Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Zephram Stark

The text of the Request for Arbitration:

Involved parties

 * Zephram Stark (subject of arbitration)
 * Carbonite
 * Commodore Sloat

 * Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request

 * Carbonite | Talk 16:34, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Zephram Stark Note: Response to notification was a personal attack
 * Commodore Sloat

 * Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

 * Requests for comment/Zephram Stark

Statement by Carbonite
Please limit your statement to 500 words

Zephram Stark's behavior has been a serious problem for many months. In addition to the complete lack of respect for the idea of consensus, he had made personal attacks, used disruptive sockpuppets and made frequent rants against Wikipedia administrators. One extremely offensive edit summary made by Zephram was "This place is a joke. It's too bad, because it had possibilities before all you fucking Jews came along. The funny thing is, I never had anything against you before this. Now I see what people mean."

His behavior has been especially poor on Terrorism, where he has consistently made edits and additions that are opposed by virtually every other editor of the article. He's created sockpuppets to support his positions and completely ignores consensus. Carbonite | Talk 16:57, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Statement by Zephram Stark
Please limit your statement to 500 words

Carbonite, don't you get tired of shooting yourself in the foot? If you don't want people to call you on your corruption, stop being corrupt. It's that simple. Trying to kill the messenger won't do you any good because everything you do on Wikipedia is transparent. That's the beauty of it. Anyone who wants to see if your accusations have merit is going to come to the same conclusion that they did the last time: that your accusations of "sockpuppets" are unfounded, that you are the one disrupting terrorism while I am actively trying to resolve differences, and that your allegations fall squarely into the definition of idiocy (most notably because everyone knows I'm Jewish). --Zephram Stark 17:22, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

One more thing, please look up the word consensus before trying to use it again in a sentence. --Zephram Stark 17:38, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[Moved from other party's area James F. (talk) 03:04, 24 September 2005 (UTC)]

 * All I ask is that people take nothing Commodore Sloat says at face value. I always try to find something that is true or at least an exaggeration in a critique, but the good commodore has got me stumped.
 * Talk:Terrorism is currently more active than normal
 * I am engaging no personal attacks, although I defend myself when attacked when no other options are available
 * I have made no sockpuppets, and from what I have read, people affected are taking these accusations up with Wikipedia founders
 * EKBK contributes to many discussions on subjects that I know nothing about. His claim that he heard the term FISA:Terrorism is not unlikely because I have heard the term used since the late seventies to describe the difference between dictionary-defined terrorism and the official USA version.  EKBK is only one of over a dozen users that have been blocked for doing nothing but expressing their opinion.
 * I certainly did not invent the neologism FISA-Terrorism. Anyone who has heard the term used in colleges and discussion around the country can verify that.  This, of course, is irrelevant because the term has been dropped from that proposal for weeks.
 * The section that was deleted had only verified quotes and summaries from the U.S. President, Osama bin Laden, and a New York Times bestseller. How anyone could call that original research is beyond me.
 * I made no racial attack, as would be evident if Commodore Sloat or Carbonite would bother quoting me in context.
 * My only agenda is to help create an article for terrorism that conveys information, the same as everyone else who is honestly trying to improve the article (as evidenced by actually contributing to it instead of just deleting whole sections of relevant and fully cited information).
 * The last time Commodore Sloat accused me of hijacking the discussion, I had listed the four proposals and asked for each member's feelings on them, which many people gave and we got much closer to a consensus. After Commodore Sloat interupted the conversation to make accusations and allegations that something was wrong with discussing the proposals, people started talking about his accusations instead.  Don't take my word for it, look at Talk:Terrorism.  Actions talk and B.S. walks, Commodore.

 * Does everyone want to hear my alleged "bizarre theory" about the word "unalienable" that is supposedly disrupting the Declaration of Independence? I assert that "unalienable" means "cannot be alienated."  BIZARRE, isn't it!!
 * In recognition of the hard work you have done to railroad someone based on absolutely no factual information at all, I award you superbsbarnstar, Commodor. --Zephram Stark 01:31, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

I, Zephram Stark, do hereby nominate Smyth for The Most Hilarious Contradiction of Terms of the Day Award: "shows a total disregard for the consensus against him" ~Smyth

Is it possible to request comment from SlimVirgin? It doesn't feel like a normal lynching without the whole gang. --Zephram Stark 13:07, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Statement by EKBK
Please limit your statement to 500 words

 * The things you say about Zephram Stark are simply untrue. You and your friends have been calling me a sockpuppet since I agreed with him on some points on the terrorism page, and what followed after I contacted a number of administrators was enough to make me sick. I was put in the position of "proving" I'm not a "sockpuppet", which I did to several administrators satisfaction, and I even emailed the founder of Wikipedia on this, because the principle of the thing was enough for me to do so. Just because I was formerly a "user" rather than an "editor" should not have made any difference in how I was treated, and I have since observed this fiasco with interest. I will re-iterate-I AM NOT A SOCKPUPPET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--EKBK 18:10, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Statement by Commodore Sloat
Please limit your statement to 500 words

Zephram Stark's behavior on Talk:Terrorism has brought progress on that page to a complete standstill. He constantly engages in personal attacks and he keeps trying to commandeer the agenda to hilight his own original research. When his original research is shot down again and again, sockpuppets appear to defend him out of the blue. EKBK's very first contribution to wikipedia was to jump in the middle of the discussion Stark was disrupting and to claim that he uses the term "FISA-terrorism" (a neologism invented by Stark) all the time. (He claimed this after people asked Stark to quit adding original research to the article). It seems odd that a user's first edit to wikipedia would be to jump into such a controversial fight on a talk page, to make a highly unlikely claim. Stark has also made the "fucking Jews" comment another editor noted above -- whether he is Jewish or not, such attacks are entirely inappropriate for wikipedia. He keeps trying to hijack the discussion on the talk page to focus on his agenda - sometimes laying out "criteria for definition" with the goal of turning everything back to his original research (and ignoring the fact that there already are definitions of terrorism in wikipedia that are not original research and could be useful. I haven't been paying as close attention but I have noted that he is similarly disrupting the Declaration of Independence page with a bizarre theory about the word "unalienable."  But it is not the content that people are objecting to here; it is his conduct, which has severely disrupted work on these pages. --csloat 19:31, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Statement by Smyth
I concur with everything Commodore Sloat says. Zephram Stark is such a difficult person to deal with because, at least on the surface, he does not appear to be a straightforward troublemaker. But as anyone who tries to engage with him quickly discovers, he is unreasonable, belligerent and utterly dishonest, frequently resorting to blatant lies, personal attacks, and consipracy theories about the cabal of administrators that prevent him and his sock drawer from turning articles into his personal playground.

I have not been involved with his argument about whether "inalienable" and "unalienable" mean the same thing, but a quick glance at the pages involved shows that the sequence of events is the same as with Terrorism. He makes low-quality opinionated edits, shows a total disregard for the consensus against him, repeatedly fails to provide even the smallest shred of evidence to support himself, and makes increasingly hollow pronouncements that a compromise is close. Then we have the sudden appearance of a sockpuppet army and his descent into lengthy paranoid political rants.

I don't know what a reasonable remedy against him would be. Banning him from editing only the articles he has disrupted so far is unlikely to help, as he has shown no inclination to give up during the months this has gone on, and there are hundreds of other pages he could quite easily give the same treatment to. – Smyth\talk 13:18, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Statement by jpgordon
I became aware of the issue of Zephram Stark when an editor requested that I look at Terrorism and consider protecting it. As an edit war was clearly in process, I did as requested, and explained it on the talk page. From that point on, it was clear that reasoning with Mr Stark was going to be, to put it mildly, exceedingly difficult and wearying. Mr Stark has shown no sign whatsoever of understanding the nature of cooperative editing on Wikipedia; rather, his insistance on the introduction of idiosyncratic, highly POV original research, his continual attempts to control and manipulate discussion, his assumption of conspiracy and accusations of "corruption", and his invocation of sockpuppets to imitate consensus make it clear that neutral third parties need to study the evidence (sorry about that -- it includes wading through months of Talk:Terrorism) and come up with a solution to this problem. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 21:06, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Statement by BrandonYusufToropov
A cursory examination of Talk:Terrorism and its archives will reveal what we're dealing with here. Zeph is, I am afraid, a one-person filibuster out to prove that any deviation from his point of view is inherently subjective, outlandish, ridiculous, biased, part of a lynching party, etc. His perpetually chaos-inducing editorial philosophy may perhaps be powered by the Energizer Bunny; no amount of reasoning, or turning the other cheek, dims the surrealistically obesessive nature of his quest to remake this article according to his own eccentric standards. He is the single most consistently disruptive personality operating under a recognizable screen name I have yet to encounter on WP. I suspect he is one of those characters who is somehow entertained by inviting disciplinary action. which means we may be reinforcing bad behavior here, but folks, it has been months and, as he still refuses to put down the one-note megaphone he has hard-wired into this article.... BrandonYusufToropov 18:00, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Arbitrators' opinions on hearing this matter (4/0/1/0)

 * Recuse. Personally involved. Jayjg (talk) 18:05, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Accept. Fred Bauder 22:15, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Accept. James F. (talk) 03:04, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Accept ➥the Epopt 11:36, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Accept Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 14:11, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Further comment
Zephram has been indefinitely banned. This arbitration is given as a reason for this, in conjunction with use of socks. This seems incorrect to me - possibly the rolling extensions of the ban can refer to the arbcom, but an indefinite ban would have to be on the admin's own responsibility. Comments? Rich Farmbrough 12:41 9  April 2006 (UTC).


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User:Ahockley

Aaron B. Hockley
I'm just another geek, living in Vancouver, Washington with my wife, daughter, and a couple of yellow labs. I work doing software quality assurance for a company that develops enterprise monitoring and reporting systems for managing Windows and *nix server systems.

For fun, I enjoy photography, technology, and railroad-related history and information. On weekends I can be found chasing trains and taking photographs. I spend a lot of time in discussion on RailroadPhotoEssays.com where I help out as a moderator.

Most of my day-to-day railroad photography and motive power news and discussion gets posted to Dogcaught: Illustrations of Pacific Northwest Railroading - check it out!

Contact Information
I'm really not hard to find... drop me an e-mail at ahockley@gmail.com or shoot me a note on Google Talk at the same address.

My Wikipedia Life
I've used Wikipedia as a reference for years and finally got around to joining and contributing. I believe that through the community process, useful knowledge will bubble to the top and be available for all. Most of my contributions related to my railroad hobby although I participate in any area that I can.

Articles I've Created (or de-stubbed)

 * Lewis and Clark Railway
 * Mount Hood Railroad
 * Vancouver (Amtrak station)

Articles I've edited

 * Alaska Railroad
 * Amtrak
 * Amtrak Cascades
 * Cascade Tunnel
 * Clark County, Washington
 * Coast Starlight
 * Empire Builder
 * Klickitat County, Washington
 * Rail terminology
 * Railfan
 * Skamania County, Washington
 * Union Station (Portland)
 * Unit train
 * Vancouver, Washington

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 * Add history to Vancouver (Amtrak station)
 * Columbia River Bridges
 * Burlington Northern Railroad Bridge 9.6

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Should Leonardo be categorized at D or at V? (I thought he should be at L just as Michelangelo is at M, but if we have to choose between D and V, it should be V.) Alensha 21:55, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Non-notability and deletion poll

At Requests for comment/Snowspinner 2, WP:AN/I, and elsewhere, the issue has come up as to whether non-notability is a valid criterion for listing an article on Articles for Deletion (i.e. AFDing an article), and why or why not. This poll is intended to gauge opinion on that issue. It is not intended to in any way determine policy or be binding on anybody.

Please add new sections as necessary.

Anything that people say is a reason for AFD is one, unless it's outlandish or bad-faith

 * 1) N (t/c) 21:55, 4 October 2005 (UTC) I think the basic AFD policy should be "If the consensus says delete, delete it. No exceptions." The point of AFD is flexibility and discussion.
 * 2) Dpbsmith (talk) 00:31, 6 October 2005 (UTC). This isn't as anarchic as it sounds, because in a healthy discussion the things that people say influence other people, and accurate references to policy are quite influential. So if I say "Delete, foithboindercruft" I get counted as one vote, but have little influence, but if I say "Delete, foithboinders says foithboinders should only be included if they have a frammis rank of better than 500, and this foithboinder has a frammis rank of 31415," I get counted as one vote and influence some other votes. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:35, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Also: this position is workable, because sysops usually agree pretty well when counting votes on this basis. The only alternative is for sysops to take it upon themselves to disregard votes by people giving "invalid" reasons, and that cure is far worse than the disease. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:35, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) But I'm worried that Dpbsmith defence of it is based upon a Utopian view of AfD discussions.  I personally would like to be able to ignore any "vote" that includes no reason (it's not supposed to be a vote, but a discussion leading to consensus), and to discount votes that, for example, appeal to non-existent or misunderstood policies. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:50, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I think "outlandish" is probably a big enough loophole. I do believe admins should determine rough consensus by exercising judgement. But I think you go too far. For example, AfDs on e.g. non-notable elementary schools it is very common now for people cite Schools which is neither a policy nor a guideline. I feel that such votes should indeed be counted at face value. If sysops get too creative about closing AfDs we'll end up with an overcrowded VfU, and sysops reversing other sysops actions and so forth. Discounting sockpuppetry, sure. Discounting good-faith votes by people who are unfamiliar with or don't agree with policy, I don't think so. There's an analogy with "jury nullification." Dpbsmith (talk) 16:39, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * What about unsupported claims regardless of thier relationship to policy or guidelines? If Dpbsmith says (not "votes") "Delete - Not notable, no google, no alexa, no Usenet groups" and Mel Etitis responds with "Keep - Is notable." shouldn't the admin discounts Mel's opinion?  (Note that if Mel had said "Keep- Notability isn't policy" that would be different.)  brenneman (t) (c)  23:22, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * My own view is, in the above hypothetical case, the admin should count Mel's vote as a "keep" even though such a vote is annoying and unconstructive. I believe that people should be very strongly encouraged to give reasons. I believe it is rude behavior simply to vote "keep, notable" or "delete, non-notable." I believe it is fair to comment on the validity of the reasons given by others. The VfD header used to instruct people specifically to give a reason; I wish it still did. But once you start saying that you are going to discount votes that don't give reasons or that give bad reasons, I think you're inviting Wikilawyering and gaming the system, and contention over closes. Everyone knows what "keep" and "delete" mean. Most experienced Wikipedians can agree on judgements of votes that should be discounted because of the possibility of sockpuppetry. But, despite policy, Wikipedians do not agree on what are valid reasons for deletion or how to define them. Dpbsmith (talk) 23:55, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) I'm a little hesitant to vote this way, simply because I have noticed that most people that patrol the AFD pages are those who inherintely like to see wikipedia pages deleted for non-notability.  However, I agree that this is the best solution.  Overall, I think wikipedia has enough policies (I can't find them as is) so this is the best solution, I think.  --Quasipalm 16:10, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) WP:NOT a bureaucracy. The wording of a nomination should never invalidate it, and whenever people call something non-notable they either have an existing and well-accepted guideline to back them up (e.g. WP:VAIN, WP:MUSIC, etc) or they get voted down. Radiant_ >|< 10:25, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) My understanding is that all Wikipedia policies work this way.  The Literate Engineer 05:32, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) If the consensus of an AfD discussion is to delete, the right thing is to delete.  The criteria exist as things already agreed by general community consensus of when to invoke AfD.  If something is appropriate for deletion or retention, the discussion that follows will bear that out.     --Wingsandsword 19:15, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Non-notability is a criterion for AFD for some other reason

 * 1) Because it is an esential prerequisite of an encyclopediac article that it be about a notable subject. DES (talk) 01:17, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) · Katefan0(scribble) 21:32, 6 October 2005 (UTC) As DES. Discounting votes because someone is unfamiliar with the details of the deletion policy seems counterproductive to Wikipedia, and maybe slightly elitist too. It's tantamount to saying "Sorry, but Wikipedia thinks your opinion is absurd," even though it isn't -- there are plenty of people who hold the same opinion here (myself included, full disclosure).  It's impossible, even damaging, to squelch peoples' opinions, and policies don't exist in a vacuum -- where they are broken, they can be fixed to reflect popular will, and inertia shouldn't be a reason to keep something that's broken.  Policies of all sorts get changed every day because people think they're imperfect.  That seems to me to be what's happening here.  There are plenty of people who believe that notability should be a criterion, and in fact many believe it is.  So how can we in good faith say it's not?  Valid, well-meaning votes shouldn't be discounted just because someone disagrees with their position.
 * 3) N (t/c) 20:16, 7 October 2005 (UTC) Agree with DES too.
 * 4) Because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Encyclopedias do not cover every factoid that may exist in the universe, even if they can be verified to the pretty poor extend Wikipedia insists they must be. This is true of all encyclopedias, even if they are not paper and are editable by any retard with an internet connection. If the term "notability" is at issue then call it "significance", "importance", "encyclopedicness", or anything else you like, or whatever separates, say, me from Charles de Gaulle. -R. fiend 21:15, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) In addition to Wikipedia being an encyclopedia, I believe there are two Wikipedia policies, to be found at WP:NOT Section 1.7 ("Not an Indiscriminate Collection of Information") and in the Deletion policy table of "problems that may require deletion" where there are three applicable problems ("Is not suitable for wikipedia," vanity page, and "Completely idiosyncratic non-topic") that make being non-notability legitimate grounds for a deletion.  In short: I believe non-notability is already explicitly, by policy, legitimate grounds for deletion.  The Literate Engineer 05:32, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Non-notability is not an acceptable reason to AFD, because Deletion policy says so

 * 1) JYolkowski // talk 00:30, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) I have argued for the maintenance of this position many times.--Nicodemus75 21:17, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Non-notability is not an acceptable reason to AFD, for some other reason

 * 1) Interiot // "Notability" is too easily abused, and is not necessary. And because Jimbo says so.  --Interiot 18:53, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * If you're going to play the Jimbo card, so will I. "Yes, I very strongly think that notability is a valid inclusion standard. And the best way to judge notability, socially, is verifiability.  But even things which are verifiable can and should in many cases be deleted." (If that turns out to be a forged posting, I'm going to be very disappointed...) Dpbsmith (talk) 20:35, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't mean to pile on, but wanted to point this out as well: Articles for deletion/Ashida Kim (2nd nomination), in which Jimbo seems to be advocating for deletion on the grounds of both unverifiability and non-notability. · Katefan0(scribble) 20:40, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * 1) Tossing around "notability", which is an inherently subjective concept, and allowing it to be expressed into policy is extremely dangerous. There can be no question that the whole debate over schools (in no small measure why this poll exists, I am sure) will be adversely affected (not in the partisan sense that it may lead to more school deletions - trust me, I have little fear of schools being deleted at this stage) by allowing "notability" as a valid criteria. The acrimony and nastiness at AfD will simply be increased by this and divisiveness will be perpetuated. I think the current provision that notability apply to articles about persons is appropriate and sufficient. It does not need to be extended to other things.--Nicodemus75 21:22, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) It's a proxy for 'I'm not interested, so I don't think anyone else should be'. Plus, Deletion policy says it's not. Trollderella 06:01, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Polls are evil

 * 1) JYolkowski // talk 00:30, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Somebody will use the oucome of this poll to try to browbeat another editor. Polls are of very small use in working out how much support an idea has, but people take them to be defining, in the same way as an election. Grace Note 00:31, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * What, then, is the best way to determine how widely supported something is? N (t/c) 00:36, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) We need more stupid policy on deletion like we need a hole in the head. For God's sake, write more articles, argue about policy less, and worry less about what other people think is important. Trollderella 06:01, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Polls aren't all evil, but this one is

 * 1) --Nicodemus75 21:23, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Honestly, what's this going to accomplish except for proving that 50±10% of the Wikipedia population believes that non-notability is already a fully legitimate, appropriate, and policy-compliant reason to delete something, but 50±10% of the population disagrees completely?  I mean, besides making some of us like some of each other less?  The Literate Engineer 05:32, 25 November 2005 (UTC)


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The title "Group collaboration" isn't really very obvious that it is about computers as the stub note indicates. Maybe this article could be expanded to include information on different types of group collaboration and how these different things have impacted cultures around the world. Such as message boards, video conferencing, instant messaging, etc.

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User talk:JohnSankey

Proposed deletion of Bridge pin

The article Bridge pin has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern: "Unsourced dicdef"

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Nomination of Bridge pin for deletion
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Octagon cyber cafe

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete Ryan Norton T 00:02, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Octagon cyber cafe
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non-notable local internet charity. DS 21:57, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Gentle delete. I live about 5 km from this cafe and I have to say it is not particularly notable in Croydon, let alone the rest of the world. -- RHaworth 11:52, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.

The project seems to be a hub for the local community as it contributes to regeneration


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Talk:Third Dáil

Comment
I have removed the reference to the implicit recognition of the Third Dáil status for the following reasons:

 * The presence, absence or numbering of Hansard style records is unrelated to official thinking on the legitimacy of the body itself - the UK Parliament had no official record for most of its existence.
 * The official website of Dáil Éireann does not exactly duplicate the organisation of the printed Official Report in its tables of content.
 * The numbering of the Official Report has more to do with the technical production of printed and bound volumes than official thinking as to the status of the Dáil.

To take the last point first, historically Volumes have not covered a fixed period of time, or a fixed volume of business. Instead the decision to start a new volume and print a bound version of the completed volume seems to have been rather arbitrary until recent times. As a result some Volumes were printed in A and B sections to keep within manageable size, while other volumes are relatively slim.

In addition account must be taken of the Gazettes. Firstly, the Official Gazette of the First Dáil, in which (according to the Official Report itself) the Official Report of the public sessions were to be published and made available for sale. Also Iris Oifigiúil which replaced the Dublin Gazette on 31st January, 1922, during the Second Dáil, as a result of the Adaption of Enactments Act, 1922 (I don't know whether this contained the Official Report of the Second Dáil, but it seems a likely candidate).

Bound volumes of the Official Report for the first two Dála were not produced until much later, after the practice of producing bound volumes of the Official Report was well established. A volume was produced for the First Dáil, one for the Treaty Debate, one for the public sessions of the Second Dáil (both before and after but not including the Treaty Debate) and one for the private sessions of the Second Dáil. If I remember correctly, of these volumes, the Treaty Debate volume was actually produced first, with the other volumes produced some time later.

A further complication is that private sessions of the First and Second Dála, prior to the Treaty Debate, are not in Hansard form but rather in Minute form.

And that brings me to my second bulleted point. The official website aims to provide a date ordered table of contents. To do this for the Second Dáil in particular its combines multiple bound volumes into logical volumes. Speaking as one involved in this decision, it was decided that the timeline of the debates as they switched between public and private sessions was more important that the physical bound volume in which the session had been published.

Attempting to infer "implicit recognition" of anything from this would be a mistake, and particularly so when compared to the status of Acts of the First and Second Dáil in Saorstát Éireann. -- Féar Éireann: I've replied to our respective changes on my talk page.Andrew L 01:35, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

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Impi (disambiguation)

An impi is a Zulu regiment.

Impi may also refer to:

 * IP Multimedia Private Identity
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 * International Microwave Power Institute
 * Mexican Institute of Industrial Property (Spanish: Instituto Mexicano de la Propiedad Industrial)
 * Impi Lukkarinen (1918–2010), Finnish journalist and politician
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 * Impi, a song by the South African band Juluka

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Young Communists (Catalonia)

Young Communists (in Catalan: Joves Comunistes) is the youth wing of PSUC viu in Catalonia, Spain. It was initially known as Joves Comunistes del PSUC viu. JC publishes Veu Rebel. JC is a federated organisation to the Communist Youth Union of Spain(UJCE) since April 2006

The highest organ of JC is the Congress. The Congress elects a Central Committee that leads the organization between congresses. Out of the Central Committee a Standing Committee is elected, which runs the day-to-day affairs of the organization. The present general secretary of JC is Jorge Torres.

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Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Zephram Stark/Evidence

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Overview
This matter is an objective example of the ongoing debate over administrator/editor rights. Who are to be the real members of the Wikipedia society? Are administrators to be the only ones with real editing power, or shall administrator tools be used solely to preserve a level playing field for all? The outcome of this arbitration will set a precedent influencing future decisions in this pivotal area.

Four years ago, the article on terrorism conveyed information (See December 2001 edit, for example). Today, thanks in large part to User:Hipocrite and User:Stevertigo, it conveys information again. In between, however, it degraded into this: July 2005 Smyth Edit. Please take a look at the article because Smyth's version, or one very similar to it, is what Jayjg and SlimVirgin were fighting to keep so adamantly that they were willing to bad-mouth and perma-block people who proposed changes.

 * The first sentence basically says that we don't know how to objectively define terrorism.
 * The second sentence is a nation-centric quote from a U.S. military advisory board (The CSIS).
 * Next, Smyth adds a misquote from the OED. He didn't like the OED description of "terrorism," so he modified the OED definition of "terrorist" and falsely claimed that it was the OED definition of "terrorism."  Since the OED is a subscription service ($295/yr), nobody caught the misquote until I demanded repeatedly that he provide a source we could verify.  He finally confessed the true definition, but only after labeling me a troublemaker.  Later, when Uncle Ed and SlimVirgin tag-team blocked me for days, Smyth tried to sneak it in again.  Even though anyone could read about what happened in the history, the guy who caught it again was permanently blocked and accused of being me.
 * Smyth then says that "terrorism" has always been a pejorative term, something that his OED source proves is not the case.
 * A nation-centric reference to terrorism as defined vaguely by the War on terrorism follows.
 * Next, the article deconstructs any objectivity still associated with the term by saying it covers "almost any enemy action perceived as being an immoral use of violence."
 * Smyth added that "terrorism" is used exclusively to refer to others, something that his OED source proves is not the case.
 * The next sentence says the same factually incorrect thing in different words.
 * The article reiterates that the author cannot figure out any common ground in the usages of the term.
 * Then we get a grab bag of possible meanings so we can mix and match our own definition.
 * If the reader's head hasn't exploded by then, the great editing team of Smyth, Jayjg and SlimVirgin cap off the intro with this sentence, "None of these are universally accepted as being either necessary or sufficient."

How could this happen? At first glance, you might suspect that this is proof of the popular admin notion that most editors are idiots and we need more top-down control, but take a closer look. The condition of this article was caused by top-down control gone very, very wrong. Two of the most powerful people in Wikipedia, Jayjg and SlimVirgin helped push the article in that direction, and protected it once it got there. Anyone who tried to edit the introduction to better convey information, while assuming good faith, became deeply frustrated. I've had good editors tell me, on their talk pages and mine, that they have lost faith in Wikipedia because of administrators like Jayjg and SlimVirgin.

What is their agenda? I can only guess. Politically, some groups would benefit from not having a definition of terrorism that conveys information. I would think that soldiers in the U.S. army, supporters of President Bush, and pro-Israeli organizations would rather that the term be undefined. People on my talk page have told me that Jayjg and SlimVirgin regularly team up to "push pro Israeli POV." As someone with Jewish blood from both parents, I always thought of Jews as just another piece of society, not as an separate entity fighting to redefine history and suppress useful definitions of words. Yet here, I had direct evidence of it. It really made me mad. How dare Jayjg come in here, declaring himself a member of Wikiproject:Judaism and represent our people this way? I don't want to be thought of as a member of a group that subverts and confuses information. I want to be thought of as a human being, part of society, working with people to uncover the truth and create definitions of words that help us more effectively convey information. Although I have Jewish blood, I consider anyone banding together to promote anything outside of the good of all society to an outside group. If they want their group to be called "Jews," and use their admin power to bias articles with Jewish POV, so be it, but the rest of Wikipedia should know that this is an outside group that has nothing to do with those of us who have Hebrew blood and refuse to adopt a bias against the rest of society.

The particular bias of the group I ran up against, however, is not what we have to solve. The bigger picture is that Wikipedia enabled and encouraged the corrupt power of that group to utterly decimate the introduction to a good article and keep it in that state against the will of all the other people in the seven archives who desperately tried to promote a definitive introduction to terrorism. You may argue that people are too stupid to rule themselves here at Wikipedia, but how then can they be smart to rule others? This little clique mentality of administration must end. --Zephram Stark 21:34, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Blocked without Breaking Rules
Below are some of the people that Jayjg and SlimVirgin blocked for doing nothing more than expressing their opinion on the terrorism article. If you check their edit history, you will see that they did not break any rules. These people simply expressed an opinion that Jayjg and SlimVirgin didn't like and were blocked as "sockpuppets" for doing so. This is the epitome of what I have been talking out about. I unequivocally state that I do not have any sockpuppets, meatpuppets, flesh-puppets, or whatever User:Jayjg and SlimVirgin want to call them. User:Jayjg and SlimVirgin have no reason to think otherwise. They simply block anyone who even suggests something that goes against their viewpoint. --Zephram Stark 01:03, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

1 ) 21:45, 4 October 2005, SlimVirgin blocked EKBK (infinite) (contribs) (sockpuppet used to violate policy)
 * EKBK was blocked indefinitely after making this statement on the terrorism talk page. He was accused of being a sockpuppet by SlimVirgin.

2 ) 01:44, 23 September 2005, SlimVirgin blocked Professor_Stevens (infinite) (contribs) (Zephram Stark sockpuppet)
 * Professor Stevens was blocked indefinitely after making his first contribution: this proposal on the terrorism talk page. He was accused of being my sockpuppet by SlimVirgin.

3 ) 03:23, 11 September 2005, SlimVirgin blocked Go_Cowboys (infinite) (contribs) (sockpuppet created by User:Zephram Stark to violate policy)
 * Go Cowboys was blocked indefinitely after making this section proposing that the definition of "terrorist" be split from the article on "terrorism." User:Jayjg called him a sockpuppet of me and SlimVirgin blocked him for it.  She also blocked me because she said that I created him.

4 ) 01:09, 12 September 2005, SlimVirgin blocked Felice_L'Angleterre (infinite) (contribs) (sockpuppet created to violate policy; probably User:Zephram Stark)
 * Felice_L'Angleterre was blocked indefinitely after refusing to give User:SlimVirgin and User:Calton the name of the corporation where she works.

SlimVirgin claims that there are at least eleven other people she and User:Jayjg have blocked (see her comments on my user talk page) under the guise of being my sockpuppets. Although Wikipedia is supposed to be transparent, most of the people SlimVirgin blocked in relationship to the "terrorism" article had only a vague reason given similar to "sockpuppet used to violate policy," like the description of EKBK's infinite block above. On all of her blocks and "perma-blocks" in this matter, SlimVirgin failed to annotate a rule that she thinks each person broke: Without knowing which rule each person allegedly broke, in which discussion or article he or she allegedly broke the rule, or which contribution showed evidence of that rule being broken, it is very hard to gather examples that shows the true extent that SlimVirgin has damaged this community. If the number of people she blocked without citing a rule is any indication, SlimVirgin has effectively banished dozens or even hundreds of people for no reason other than that her POV did not agree with their edits.
 * Vandalism
 * Excessive reverts
 * Bans
 * Anonymous & open proxies
 * Disruption
 * Improper Usernames
 * Public accounts
 * Bots
 * Personal attacks which place users in danger
 * Exceptional, widespread community support for the block

I have gone through the entire block log from the time that I joined, and can find no other reference to my name (except for the times when she blocked me, of course). I only kept track of the count as each person was blocked and accused of being me in the discussion. Before I spend the hours going through the mountains of archives to find and prove each of these references, I need to know from the arbitration committee if it is going to make any difference. I have only scratched the surface of this corruption, and I'm willing to dig as deep as needs be in order to stop people like SlimVirgin and Jayjg from using their administrative powers to create article PoV, but I believe I have already given ample evidence of what is going on. Is more evidence required? If it is, will any amount of evidence against User:SlimVirgin and User:Jayjg result in their demotion and the restoration of a level playing field here at Wikipedia?

IP Lookup of blocked Contributors
Below are the some of the IP numbers of people that User:SlimVirgin and User:Jayjg blocked under the guise of being my sockpuppets. These numbers are taken from either the block log or from discussions where an administrator with CheckUser power revealed them. Please note that these are the IP numbers of editors with login accounts. For instance, the last one, 206.176.211.72, is the IP address of EKBK. They are shown for the purpose of proving that they couldn't all be one person.
 * 67.136.36.2 —— Vancouver, WA
 * 4.124.74.165 —— Broomfield, CO
 * 211.26.218.9 —— Milton, QLD, Australia
 * 69.174.193.208 —— Coudersport, PA
 * 4.124.93.149 —— Broomfield, CO
 * 72.11.72.185 —— Beaverton, OR
 * 64.114.81.166 —— Burnaby, BC, Canada
 * 206.176.211.72 —— Wausau, WI

David Gerard was contacted about this matter and failed to provide any evidence that there was a connection between the people who were blocked and me. He alluded to the possibility of open proxies. Based on every test I know of, none of the people that User:Jayjg and User:SlimVirgin blocked from the "terrorism" article use open proxies or anonymous IPs.

I don't really have a problem with anyone but the two administrators who block people and lock their user talk pages to keep them from expressing their opinions clearly within the rules. It kind of sucks that administrators like Carbonite are so fixated on administrative hierarchy that they unquestionable support each other, but the vast majority of editors who are here to improve articles can overcome administrative bias if they aren't afraid of getting blocked without reason.

Carbonite Dipute of Fact
Please look at the evidence Carbonite provides. I don't believe that it matches the conclusions he reaches. For instance:

 * After Carbonite showed that I said I voted for President Bush and then tried to have him impeached, Carbonite says, "The evidence is included to show a pattern of Zephram making whatever statement is helpful to his argument at the time." ~Carbonite (below)
 * Carbonite's conclusion is in error. I voted for President Bush in 2000 because I am conservative and Bush espoused conservative values.  When Bush instead took the United States 2 trillion dollars farther into debt and started a war based on a lie, I obviously no longer though he was conservative.

I trust that, in all these matters, the ArbCom will consider the evidence by itself. For that reason, and in respect to the Arbitrators' time, I don't think it will be necessary to take each one of Carbonite's exaggerations and outright lies and say what really happened. The information in the links that Carbonite provides speaks for itself and has very little to do with the conclusions that Carbonite reaches.

If you want to see an example of the lengths that Carbonite is willing to go to control this situation, take a look at the edit history of this page. Even though the instructions on this page explicitly and repeatedly tell people to edit within their own section, Carbonite apparently couldn't help himself. The urge to spin and falsify the evidence that I provided simply must have been too much for him. He misleadingly added links in my section from the IP numbers to the contributions of those IP numbers, not the log-ins for those IP numbers. As a result, he tried to make it appear that those editors had not made very many contributions. I, of course, changed it back. He responded by making additional unsubstantiated allegations of sockpuppets, meatpuppets, personal attacks, lies, and threats of "more to come...". While I will respect any decision of the ArbCom, I will never subjugate myself to Carbonite, Jayjg, or SlimVirgin regardless of how many threats, blockings, or rumors they throw my way. A yes-man can't possibly add anything to Wikipedia. Really good editors are being driven away from this project because the attitude here is to reduce them to yes-men. Then, we look around and wonder why the quality of edits is decreasing. I submit that yes-men cannot make good edits, which negates the entire concept of a hierarchy of power at Wikipedia. Wikipedia must be a level playing field. The members of this Arbitration Committee have the power to get the ball rolling in that direction again. --Zephram Stark 15:41, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Smyth Dispute of Fact
I believe that Mr. Smyth's conclusions are not consistent with the links that he provides. His link to Mr. Gerard does not list any evidence of a connection. Mr. Gerard's feelings are apparently based purely on speculation which he justifies as being theoretically possible via open proxies or similar. Since there are tests for open proxies or similar, I invite Mr. Gerard to give us the results of those tests instead of abstract conjecture. --16:24, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

New Developments

 * On Dante Alighieri's talk page, SlimVirgin is trying to convince Dante that it is not his place to get involved. If administrators cannot police themselves, who will police them?  Editors certainly don't have any method of demoting administrators.  We can complain all we want, but ultimately unbiased administrators must make the decision to involve themselves in the dispute in order for a corrupt administrator to be demoted.  --01:31, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * After I posted the above, SlimVirgin apologized to Dante. --21:28, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

 * According to User:David Gerard, EKBK has been sending email to administrators asking that she be unblocked and that her user page be unprotected. I can find nothing in EKBK's contributions that is against the rules, nor was she accused of doing anything that warrants blocking for even 24 hours.  Nevertheless, EKBK was permanently blocked and her user talk page was protected against editing.  Can you think of any legitimate reason why someone would lock down a user's talk page?  How many administrators recognized this as wrong and did something about it?  So far, Dante Alighieri is the only one.  Despite Dante Alighieri's efforts, EKBK is still blocked from even editing her own user page.  --21:28, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

 * On the Administrator Notice Board, SlimVirgin claims that she only blocked four people under the guise of being my sockpuppets, but in the same paragraph she threatens to block me and User:Black Angus. For what, she doesn't say.  I can't see anything in the contributions of Black Angus that would remotely be considered against the rules.  Aparently his contributions to the "terrorism" article are reason enough.  --22:00, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

 * "the only reason Zephram isn't blocked is that he's up before the arbcom, but I'm beginning to wonder whether that should necessarily stop me." --SlimVirgin (AN/I More Threats) 11:19, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

 * On the Blocking Policy discussion page, I propose that "a rule should be cited when a person is blocked." Carbonite says, "please do not unilaterally change policy."  --16:52, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Evidence presented by Ed Poor
Jeez, I hate these templates. Let me just say that I blocked Zephram twice in a row for nasty language toward other users. I think the effing Jews thing was my block: I forget, and I'm too tired to go look it up.

Since those two blocks, Z. has apparently been trying to swallow a sizeable chill pill, and that's to his credit!

He's also made some friendly overtures - to me at least.

This is the Wrong Place to suggest it, but maybe he should just be encouraged to get some dialogue going about his ideas on definitions of terrorism. I've created some other Definitions of... pages which have stood the test of time, e.g., definitions of Palestine and Palestinian.

Maybe a WikiProject to collaborate on defining terrorsim would be just the thing. Uncle Ed 03:36, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

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17 August 2005

 * 21:31
 * According to SlimVirgin I was "temporarily blocked for disruption because of [my] recreation of a personal attack page that was deleted".

Such "attack page" wasn't such, it was the user page of SlimVirginJayjgJpgordon rather. And Jayjg blanked it (which is vandalism) because it was a "personal attack" when it contained criticism towards the SlimVirgin/Jayjg/Jpgordong tag team ("It only contained this phrase "SlimVirgin violates Wikipedia rules: on Civility and 3 Reverts. SlimVirgin dishonesty violates 3R with jayjg and a tag-team of other blatantly Zionist/Jewish-centric Wikipedia propagandists.").

Ryan Delaney noted this and reverted the blanking of the page. The Jayjg blanked it once again, but this time he qualified his edit as a "minor edit". I then added my rationality of why such is not a personal attack and should be kept for future reference, such as cases like these, since numerous wikipedians have affected by POV pushing by this trio. I reverted the blanking once again and for edit summary typed "see talk page". This time SlimVirgin reverted my change (as she often does after Jayjg) with no reponse to my opposition in the talk page, and also qualifying her change as a "minor edit" (again, something common for him when involved in controversial activities). I once again reverted the change and typed "take discussion to the talk page".

This was SlimVirgin's rationale to block me: "disruption: recreating an attack page".

I asked why by e-mail and she responded "We're here to write an encyclopedia, not engage in personal attacks or vendettas...But if you descend into personal attacks you'll lose everyone's sympathy". Then again, he accused me of engaging in personal attacks when I was, in contrast, defending a user page being vandalized. She also mentioned that "When an admin deletes a page, you're well within your rights to complain or to put it up for VfU, but you're not supposed to recreate it immediately, particularly not when it constitutes a personal attack".

He also mentioned that he "deleted the talk and user page more than once, and [I] re-created them".

Interesting to note, however, is that it was Jayjg who deleted it twice and then SlimVirgin once. So now I think:

 * Is SlimVirgin a sockpuppet of Jayjg?
 * Is SlimVirgin a meatpuppet of Jayjg?

--Vizcarra 05:57, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Evidence presented by Carbonite
There are several negative behaviors of Zephram Stark that have caused problems on Wkipedia: personal attacks, insertion of POV, disruption, sockpuppetry/meatpuppetry and unwillingness to compromise or accept consensus.

Sockpuppets / Meatpuppets
Zephram has not only used sockpuppets and/or meatpuppets, but he has lied about their existence multiple times. He has also lied about having knowledge of registered users' IP addresses.

 * Zephram claimed that he was able to learn the IPs of registered users from the block log. . However, this was proven to be false. Zephram has never explained how he knew the IPs of registered users. The only plausible way that Zephram knew the IPs of registered users is because these users were actually his meatpuppets and sockpuppets. Carbonite | Talk 02:47, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

More to come...

Personal attacks

 * One extremely offensive edit summary made by Zephram was "This place is a joke. It's too bad, because it had possibilities before all you fucking Jews came along. The funny thing is, I never had anything against you before this. Now I see what people mean."
 * "I picture Carbonite as a little Cartman, running around in a cop uniform saying, "Respect my authority!!""
 * More taunting
 * Yet another personal attack

More to come...

Disruption

 * Twice  attempted to unilaterally change the blocking policy despite have made no comments on the talk page.

More to come...

8 July

 * 18:46 8 July 2005
 * Zephram Stark's first edit to Wikipedia (List of conflicts in the Middle East) was marked as minor, but actually introduced POV material into the article.

 * 19:46 8 July 2005
 * Zephram's first (of many) edit to the Terrorism article was a major rewrite of the introduction. The edit summary was "Rewrote Introduction from a Neutral Point of View from the Generally Accepted to the Controversial Specifics but the edit was highly POV and was reverted within minutes. With this edit Zephram also removed the NPOV tag from the article.

 * 21:24 8 July 2005
 * After having his rewrite of the intro reverted by User:Jayjg, Zephram began demanding that his version must either be critiqued or used in the article. Zephram's attitude of "Discuss things by my rules" have been a constant problem on talk pages.

 * 21:54 8 July 2005
 * Despite having made his first edit to Wikipedia only a few hours prior, Zephram insults Jayjg, asking him "Are you purposefully trying to destroy the philosophy of Wikipedia" and telling him "It is time that you start working with the members of our community instead of against them"

 * 23:08 8 July 2005
 * Zephram posts in Jayjg's userspace, stating that "Unless he starts working with other members, it may be time to take him down a notch." This is only Zephram's 10th edit to Wikipedia.

9 July

 * 00:07 9 July 2005
 * Zephram returns to List of conflicts in the Middle East to re-add POV that was previously reverted.

 * 15:15 9 July 2005
 * Zephram's first edit to Talk:Al-Qaeda is another personal attack against Jayjg: "If you’re going to rely on User:Jayjg’s book of Doublespeak for your definition, I guess you could justify anything you want." He also provides his reasoning for his definition of Terrorism being rejected: "Wikipedia has no definitive definition of terrorism because codifying it in ANY manner would show how our beloved president’s use of the term is inconsistent, contradictory, and brimming with irony."

 * 21:35 9 July 2005
 * Zephram continues his attacks on Jayjg, back on Talk:Terrorism. He searched out criticism of Jayjg and compiled it on the article's talk page, stating "If you feel the same way, the next step should be to have him demoted and blocked from articles that he reverts."

10 July

 * )1:31 10 July 2005
 * Zephram has turned Talk:Terrorism into a debate about Jayjg, saying that he's read Jayjg's talk page and "In every instance that I read, User:Jayjg had trashed a well-written, objective and NPOV article in favor of a revert that only served to confuse and hide historical facts." and "If they keep doing it, we have no choice but to block them from changing the definition."

 * 03:16 10 July 2005
 * In response to a statement by User:Smyth, Zephram claims ..."I voted for Bush as president...". This is very much at odds with Zephram's other statements and actions, especially this petition organized by Zephram Stark to impeach President Bush. The evidence is included to show a pattern of Zephram making whatever statement is helpful to his argument at the time.

11 July

 * 01:27 11 July 2005
 * Although there's no consensus on the talk page, Zephram makes another major change to the Terrorism intro. This introduction of original research is soon reverted by User:BrandonYusufToropov.

 * 15:17 11 July 2005
 * Zephram again adds his original definition of terrorism with the edit summary "Put the Subjective POV in the Subjective Side. This ends the NPOV dispute. Please make further edits to only your side of the argument. If you can’t understand the other's claim, you can’t edit it. ". Once again, Zephram's rewrite is reverted, this time by User:Smyth, who requests that Zephram use the talk page.

 * 17:43 11 July 2005
 * Zephram again reverts the Terrorism article, this time without any edit summary. He also removes the NPOV tag. He is quickly reverted by Jayjg. Zephram claims on the talk page that there is no longer a NPOV dispute and instructs User:Smyth, "Do not delete the objective definition.

 * 18:04 11 July 2005
 * Zephram once again reverts the Terrorism intro, with the edit summary "Your hostile editing will no longer be tollerated, Mr. Jayjg. There is an objective definition for Terrorism. Do not edit something you, yourself, have said you don't understand. This isn't a revert." Jayjg reverts and points out that it was indeed a revert. He also cautions Zephram about violating the 3RR, providing a link to the policy.

 * 18:29 11 July 2005
 * Zephram reverts the intro yet again to his version, with the edit summary "You do not have the right to arbitrarily delete definitions, Mr. Jaygj, even if you team up with someone else to revert. If you continue hostile editing, I will have no choice but to request a block." Smyth reverts this edit within minutes.

 * Zephram is blocked by User:Carbonite for violating the 3RR. See report here.

 * 19:09 11 July 2005
 * Shortly after Zephram was blocked, an anon IP User:206.176.211.72 (later proven to be User:EKBK) reverts to Zephram's version with the edit summary "This is a much better definition than we've ever had. We can start with this because it represents the peaceful POV as well as the war POV." This edit was the IP's first and only.

Much more still to be added...

Sockpuppetry
Zephram claims above that "David Gerard was contacted about this matter but failed to provide any evidence that there was a connection." This is a lie and in any case, Zephram is so paranoid that he does not even trust David Gerard to tell the truth.

ZS's changes to Terrorism
Here are descriptions of the three instances where Zephram has made substantial changes to the article Terrorism, as opposed to its talk page. The fallout from these incidents explains the total distrust with which many users now view him. – Smyth\talk 09:48, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

 * 2005.07.11 After failing to get consensus for a new introduction he suggested, Zephram places his introduction and the existing one side-by-side on the page.

 * There is a revert war, with three established users opposing this change. One of Zephram's reversions has the edit summary Put the Subjective POV in the Subjective Side. This ends the NPOV dispute. Please make further edits to only your side of the argument. If you can’t understand the other's claim, you can’t edit it. Another one has the edit summary Your hostile editing will no longer be tollerated, Mr. Jayjg. There is an objective definition for Terrorism. Do not edit something you, yourself, have said you don't understand. This isn't a revert.

 * Zephram is blocked for a 3RR violation.

 * 2005.08.22 – Zephram replaces the introduction with a new version written by him. His edit summary is: Updated introduction to match the NPOV introduction we exhaustively discussed and agreed upon in Talk. In fact, this version had been displayed on the talk page for less than two days and had received no comments at all.

 * Jayjg reworks the text considerably, citing original research and neologisms. Zephram reverts to his original version, saying: Revert hostile-edits by Jayjg. As per the talk page & ATTENTION tag of the article: extensive discussion has been given to the NPOV wording of the Introduction; please first discuss changes to intro.

 * There is a revert war. Four established users support Jayjg's version. Zephram, alleged sockpuppet EKBK and six IP addresses support Zephram's version.

 * SlimVirgin makes a substantial whole-page revision . Zephram rejects all her changes and reverts to his original version, saying: Please edit as per the Wikipedia Writer's Rules of Engagement. Wikipedia is about building the best article, not loyalty to a small group of admins. Please copy-edit the version we've been working on.

 * There is a revert war, with three established users against Zephram and three IP addresses. One of Zephram's reversions is given the edit summary: Fixed link in current definition as per Ruzmanci's 18:56 edit..

 * An uninvolved administrator protects the page.

 * 2005.09.23 – Without discussing it on the talk page at all, Zephram adds a large section called "The Importance Of Objectively Defining Terrorism".

 * There is a revert war. Five established editors remove the new section. Zephram, EKBK, and two IP addresses restore it.

 * An uninvolved administrator protects the page.

Evidence presented by User:FuelWagon
This evidence was posted 21:35, 16 October 2005 by FuelWagon. (I forgot to sign it then)

On October 7, Vizcarra asks me to look at the RfC against Zephram Stark. I take a look, see it points to the Terrorism article, and take a look at that page. I insert a verbatim quote from a notable source with a URL to verify it's accuracy. I am reverted by a number of editors. Zaphram Stark is the only editor who proposed a compromise. It gets reverted by the same editors who reverted me. The RfC against Zaphram lays the blame for all the troubles with the Terrorism article squarely on Zaphram's shoulders. I make a comment on the Zaphram Stark RfC saying that it doesn't appear to be entirely his fault, that some of the editors who RfC'ed Zaphram appear to be contributing to the disptue. In response to my comment on the Zaphram RfC, one of those editors comes to my talk page and threatens to RfC me.

I'm not sure if this arbitration case is an extension of teh RfC against Zaphram or if it is a different take on the dispute between teh editors. The RfC against Zaphram says in its "Statement of Dispute":

 * Zephram Stark, and nobody else, has persistently claimed that there is something deeply and fundamentally wrong with the article's introduction. Despite receiving no support whatsoever and overwhelming opposition, he has stubbornly continued repeating the same complaints and frequently making low-quality changes agreed to by nobody except himself.

 * With his thick-headedness he is single-handedly holding this article hostage.

And it has been my experience that of the editors involved with the Terrorism article from October 12 to present, Zaphram Stark didn't show stubbornness, low-quality edits, or single-handedly holding the article hostage. Some of the other editors involved did show themselves to work in concert with one another to oppose a single verbatim quote from a notable source with a URL to verify it that I tried to insert. i.e. a number of long-term editors traveled in packs to resist what should be a legimate edit.

October 7
06:05, 7 October 2005 Vizcarra posts on my talk page, telling me of RfC against Zephram Stark. I take a look, see that it says Terrorism is article of concern, and I take a look at the Terrorism article. (I mention this because Carbonite will later question how I came to the Terrorism article and hint at charging me with harrassment.)

October 12
03:53, 12 October 2005 I quote Noam Chomsky and providing URL.

16:15, 12 October 2005 completely reverted by Texture as "flimsy".

October 13
14:33, 13 October 2005 on talk page, Carbonite describes Noam Chomsky as a political activist equivalent to Sean Penn, and unworthy of being quoted.

15:24, 13 October 2005 Carbonite changes article describing him as a "linguistics professor".

16:42, 13 October 2005 I explain Chomsky's relevance as an expert, why his pov is notable, adds quote from "Dictionary of Modern American Philosophers" (DoMAP) calling Chomsky "one of the most influential left-wing critics of American foreign policy".

October 14
18:21, 14 October 2005 I remove reference to Chomsky as being a "linguistics professor", since that isn't why he is notable here.

18:28, 14 October 2005 Carbonite does a complete revert, removing quote from DoMAP and calling him a "political activist" instead, saying "no need to describe how great Chomsky is"

20:10, 14 October 2005 I revert to DoMAP quote.

20:15, 14 October 2005 Jayjg reverts, calling sourced quotation calling Chomsky influential critic of foreign policy to be "gratuitous flattery".

21:31, 14 October 2005 Zaphram Stark proposes a compromise.

October 15
01:33, 15 October 2005 SlimVirgin undoes compromise, calling it a "tweak".

October 16
16:25, 16 October 2005 I change "politial activist" to "senior scholar with the Institute for Policy Studies".

18:32, 16 October 2005 I post an outside comment on the Requests for comment/Zephram Stark.

19:36, 16 October 2005 Carbonite questions my outside comment on the RfC against Zaphram Stark, calls the entire comment essentially a rant against him and several other editors, accuses me of being disruptive, hostile, and uncivil, and indicates he is thinking of RfC'ing me.

19:51, 16 October 2005 I inform Carbonite that on 06:05, 7 October 2005, Vizcarra told me about the RfC against Zephram Stark, I checked it out, followed it to the Terrorism article, tried to insert a verbatim quotation from a notable source and a URL to verify it, got reverted by the same people filing the RfC against Zaphram, and that I decided the RfC needed an outside comment.

21:35, 16 October 2005 Previously, Carbonite had told me that Zephram RfC had moved to arbitration, therefore I reformat my RfC comment and submit it as evidence to Arbitration.

23:36, 16 October 2005, Carbonite creates an RfC against me. Requests for comment/FuelWagon 2

Evidence presented by User:Kainaw
I don't have any interest in Zephram's complaints in the Terrorism article. However, I do have evidence that he is not working in good faith. In fact, he is purposely trolling.
 * At, it is clear that Zephram is arguing the innocence of a man who plead guilty. I repeatedly explained that he plead guilty and provided multiple resources that made it clear he plead guilty.  I also called the police who did the investigation and the man's lawyer.  I relayed the information to Zephram and he ignored it.  Never did he provide any of the references he was quoting.  Never did he dispute the facts that I provided except his claim that I was pro-Patriot and I was condemming an innocent man without a trial.  Summary: Zephram feels no need to provide references to back his opinions, even when they are counter to references provided by others.
 * At, Zephram disagrees with an argument made by others. He demands references from them.  The argument made by others sounds very logical to me, but Zephram refuses to stick to the topic.  Instead, he has brought the Declaration of Independence into the argument when the topic is Inalienable Rights. Summary: Zephram feels that others must provide references if he doesn't like what is said.
 * In both cases, his primary goal is to push his opinion by extending the arguments to the point that everyone is fed up with him - trolling.

31 October 2005
I have not had, nor will I likely have in the next few days, time to investigate all of the above. I have however protected the Declaration of Independence (United States) article, based on the edit history and user:JW1805's comments about reverting. I have not otherwise been involved with this article, and do not intend to become so. Thryduulf 11:19, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 03:47 - user:Zephram Stark requests on my talk page that the Declaration of Independence (United States) article be protected, based on accusations of POV editing by user:JW1805. . This protection was not requested at WP:RFPP, but on my talk page because I protected the Al Qaeda page in July because of a dispute he was involved in on that article. My gut feeling (and I have no evidence of this) is that he has chosen this course because he has previously not got his way when making requests through the propper channels.
 * 05:06 - user:JW1805 posts a comment related to user:Zephram Stark's request. This informed me that there have been many discussions relating to user:Zephram Stark's conduct on articles such as Terrorism and Unalienable rights, and made me aware of this RfAr. The comment also indicated that user:JW1805 would revert user:Zephram Stark's edits.
 * 15:21 - user:Zephram Stark posts a message on my talk page regarding my protection of the Declaration of Independence article. This message contains several personal attacks against user:JW1805 and asks me to violate the Protection policy by reverting the protected article to an earlier version preferred by him. Thryduulf 15:50, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

1 November 2005

 * 18:56 - user:Zephram Stark makes a personal attack against user:SlimVirgin in an edit summary at User talk:Carbonite.

Overview
For a while now, I have observed user:Zephram Stark's behavior, mostly on the following articles:
 * Inalienable rights (talk) (also Articles for deletion/Unalienable rights)
 * Declaration of Independence (United States) (talk)

From what I've seen, this user has violated almost all of the important Wikipedia policies, including NPOV, No Personal Attacks, No sockpuppets, Consensus, Assume good faith, 3RR, Soapbox. He is a constant source of disruption, and makes no attempt to work with other editors, refuses to accept it when a consensus is against him, clutters up talk pages with paragraphs of paragraphs of the same argument over and over again (even though no one agrees with him), and is in general one of the worst Wikipedia editors I have ever come across. Actually, from what I've seen, he does very little actual editing, and is mainly engaged in a series of rants on various talk pages. I will add some specific evidence in the section below: --JW1805 18:50, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

To get a general overview, I would encourage you to read the discussion at the various talk pages (Talk:Inalienable rights, Talk:Inalienable rights/Archive01, Talk:Declaration of Independence (United States)) to get an idea about how this user doesn't accept it when a consensus is against him.

19 September 2005

 * Articles for deletion/Unalienable rights - The argument was this: Do the words "inalienable" and "unalienable" mean the same thing.  Zephram Stark says that they don't, while every reference (see ) says that they are synonyms.  The result of the VfD was that every single person agreed that they were the same, and to redirect the old Unalienable rights article to Inalienable rights.

28 September 2005

 * 02:13, September 28, 2005 Zephram Stark introduces a blatant lie into the Declaration of Independence article, citing specific dictionaries that give the two words with different definitions. (See  for the actual definitions, which are the same.)
 * 21:22, 28 September 2005 In a slightly hysterical post, he accuses me of having a "hidden agenda".

29 September 2005

 * 18:05, September 29, 2005 A new editor shows up (User:D'Arby, contribs), whose first Wikipedia edit is a comment on another "inalienable/unalienable" dispute.  I believe this user to be a sockpuppet of Zephram Stark's.  D'Arby would go on later to contribute to the discussion at Talk:Inalienable rights (see  which has a very similar writing style to Zephram).

...more to be added later...

17 October 2005

 * 20:16, 17 October 2005 At Talk:United States Constitution, assuses me of "misrepresenting the facts", and "corruption".

19 October 2005

 * 03:33, October 19, 2005 Calls me "corrupt", for pointing out that he has violated the 3RR.
 * 03:58, October 19, 2005 Zephram Stark is blocked for violating the 3RR at Inalienable rights (he was blanking information from that page).

31 October 2005

 * View history After I had made some changes at Declaration of Independence (United States), he performs a series of edits where he removes material that he doesn't agree with, including removing the link to Inalienable rights (see talk for details). After I rvt his changes, he complains at User:Thryduulf's talk page and completely missrepresents the situation, including the hilarious comment: "I have asked JW1805 several times to talk about his POV additions" (despite the fact that he had not discussed the new changes on the talk page).  --JW1805 21:22, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

1 November 2005

 * 04:00, November 1, 2005 Another rant containing personal attacks, including calling me "Anti-American", and including the oddly worded: "No authoritative source made that or any of your other moronic accusations because nobody else is stupid enough to make such an asinine assertion and sign their name to it". Not sure what that means, but I'm pretty sure it's a personal attack.
 * 18:24, November 1, 2005 Calls me and another editor "corrupt".
 * 19:07, 1 November 2005 Calls me and another editor "Anti-American". This is a common charge that he uses against those who disagree with him.

2 November 2005

 * 03:11, November 2, 2005 Another rant, now I'm "adamantly anti-America" and I "break Wikipedia rules and create bad articles" just to get at him. I'm trying to get him to succently state what his problems are with the Declaration of Independence (United States) article, but he just responds with personal attackes against me and rants about the Inalienable rights article.

...more later...


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User:MountaineerFan66

I should put something clever on here like other people, but I'm no longer a lurker. --MountaineerFan66 21:59, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

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Willis J. Powell

Willis J. Powell is the author of Tachyhippodamia; on The New Secret of Taming Horses to which John Solomon Rarey's work, Taming of Wild Horses, was appended for publication. This book was issued before Powell died in 1848, but no publishing date is stated in the book itself. A later reprint was in 1872, in Philadelphia, by the W.R. Charter publishing house. It can still be purchased as a rare book and as reprinted by the University of Michigan. Powell mentions the Irish "horse whisperer" Daniel Sullivan in the preface to his own book, and says that Sullivan may have possessed the same method. Later in that same book, Powell recounts hearing of a man who had lived a century earlier and who had a secret method of taming horses, and resolving to discover that method.

Powell traveled from Louisiana to Mexico, living there for about 12 years, and then to Cuba, Guatemala and California, taming horses. He apparently made a good living doing so. He also was a polyglot, speaking five languages: English, French, Greek, Latin and Spanish.

The method
Powell says that the way became clear before him when he first realized that horses only offer resistance to humans because of fear. In order to tame a horse one must first quell their fears. To communicate calm and safety to the horse, nothing is more powerful than soothing touch. Once the horse is feeling safe it can become accustomed to things that might otherwise cause it alarm. (p. 33f)

Powell outlines steps by which an untamed horse may be approached without arousing alarm, how it may next be touched on larger and larger portions of its body. The same procedure of desensitization is to be followed in regard to all things in the horse-human environment that might cause unneeded fear. Finally, any fear of a saddle is handled in the same way. (p. 33-46)

title: Willis J. Powell


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