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Talk:Yoni

WP:LEAD and content/sources removal

 * please explain your concerns behind this edit. Just because a poor quality article has long-standing content, it does not mean that old content should stay. Please see WP:LEAD and MOS guidelines. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 10:46, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Kautilya3! I think some admin or coding wizard told me that ping only works with a new signature line. So here we go: please see above. Thank you, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 11:05, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

 * These guidelines exactly contradict your edits. You are WP:CHERRYPICKING from an outdated translation and misrepresenting what "quality" sources like Britannica and Rowman and Littlefield have stated for the lead. Since "lingam" has its own article, you don't have to select one meaning and insert it since it has multiple meanings.
 * John Marshall and Ernest Mackay connected Yoni worship to Indus Valley with confidence. so "may" is WP:OR. Since your source don't support "Scholars dispute whether such artifacts discovered at the archaeological sites of Indus Valley sites are yoni," then that is WP:OR and misrepresentation of sources as well.
 * I have only checked the half of the lead and the archaeology section. If you believe that you have made similar errors anywhere else then you should consider fixing them now.
 * Read WP:BRD and don't make edits without gaining consensus prior-hand once they have been reasonably reverted. शिव साहिल/Shiv Sahil (talk) 12:07, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

 * शिव साहिल: If you allege I have cherrypicked, you must identify what I left out... please explain what and how have I cherrypicked? which outdated translation? What am I misrepresenting, please explain with specific page number and source(s). The Britannica source states "the yoni is often associated with the lingam", which my revised version also includes, so how am I misrepresenting it? Have you read Marshall and Mackay? if yes, provide the page number and cite details where did they "connect it with confidence"? I do not believe I have made errors, but if you identify the source with page numbers, or a quote, I will take a look and reconsider/revise if appropriate. Without details, your allegations are unhelpful and unconstructive. In the future, please do not cast aspersions without providing evidence (links, sources, page numbers, diffs). Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:49, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, WP:ONUS is on you since you added the content. Not me. You cited the content so you should already know that whatever I checked from your sources doesn't actually match with the content that you added. Your lead is faulty because Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Unless you can refute my above explanations with "links, sources, page numbers, diffs", my above statements stands. Further proven by your recent edit which is still WP:SYNTH.   शिव साहिल/Shiv Sahil (talk) 15:37, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * शिव साहिल: WP:ONUS does not mean WP:CENSOR or WP:FILIBUSTER-ing to pacify disruptive editors who want to suppress or ignore what a overwhelming majority of peer-reviewed mainstream scholarship is stating. You must explain your objections within content guidelines framework. If you question what I have added, you must explain what and why with cites and page numbers. Instead of wiki-lawyering, please read the policy carefully. For example, WP:NOT reads,
 * Quote: "Articles should begin with a good definition or description, but articles that contain nothing more than a definition should be expanded with additional encyclopedic content. If they cannot be expanded beyond a definition, Wikipedia is not the place for them."
 * So definitions are recommended, followed by a description beyond that definition. That is what the improved version of the article does (that is how Encyclopedia Britannica article starts too). You allegation of Wp:SYNTH makes no sense. Please read the content guidelines again and explain how it is a synthesis? Please do not ignore or evade my questions above. Of course, if all you want to do is wiki-lawyer without substance and without engaging in a constructive discussion/consensus-building process, you are welcome to try the various dispute/admin noticeboards. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:08, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:ONUS: "While information must be verifiable in order to be included in an article, this does not mean that all verifiable information must be included in an article. Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article, and that it should be omitted or presented instead in a different article. The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content."
 * My above objections are totally within that definition and your edit warring and frequent addition of non-consensus edits is clearly not.
 * You cherrypicked an outdated definition by using Monier Monier-William as a source contrary to what more reliable sources have stated. Since you are starting the lead with your cherrypicked definition of the word rather than its actual broadly accepted commonly thought meaning, you are clearly violating WP:NAD.
 * Your edits such as one I pointed above is a WP:SYNTH since you recently found out a single author to dispute a largely accepted hypothesis and attributed it as "scholars such as". Do I have to tell you that the word "scholars" is plural and not singular? शिव साहिल/Shiv Sahil (talk) 16:20, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * See Status quo stonewalling, and please end this disruptive behavior by making false allegations. For example, the content supported by Monier Monier-Williams as a source is not contrary to what more reliable sources have stated. Please explain why are you alleging "You cherrypicked an outdated definition by using Monier Monier-William as a source contrary to what more reliable sources have stated", and what is it that "more reliable sources" are stating that this article is not. I have already provided multiple sources, recently published by scholarly publishers, and they all state yoni means womb/vagina/source/etc (as does Encyclopedia Britannica). Thank you for implicitly acknowledging that Basham does dispute that "Indus Valley" theory. Scholars is plural indeed, but then I cited two sources. The Parpola source states that George Dales disputes it too after a detailed examination of the evidence. In other words, the scholar Basham is not alone in his objections. Parpola himself acknowledges the issues with that theory. That makes it three scholars disputing it. There are more. We have cited enough to support "scholars". Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:38, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Unless you address the concerns raised. Monier Monier-William is an outdated source. It is not a modern scholarly reference and clearly not more reliable than Britannica and Rowman & littlefield. You need to read WP:IRS. Monier-William provides numerous definitions yet you have picked only a particular one. I don't know how much more I should specify. "Scholars such as .... dispute whether such artifacts discovered at the archaeological sites of Indus Valley sites are yoni" should be stated by the source. Since you are writing this on your own then that is WP:OR like my original post already stated. What you mention as "and that for instance", he later adds that "I would like to mention some pieces of evidence for Harappan sexual cult that appear undeniable". So the source is either not relevant or lacks necessary description about Yoni. Where is your evidence that George Dales was talking about Yoni? If he never mentioned "Yoni" in his writing then that is WP:SYNTH. शिव साहिल/Shiv Sahil (talk) 16:59, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Furthermore Basham has only provided a one-liner and not actually mentioned "Yoni". To make a mention of him in the same paragraph as the actual researchers of the Yoni symbols is really WP:UNDUE. शिव साहिल/Shiv Sahil (talk) 17:09, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

शिव साहिल: There is a 2008 revised version of Monier Monier-Williams here, which is where I started to reach the scanned page I linked in this article. Further, the article cites many more sources, not just Monier Monier-Williams... it is unhelpful to the consensus building process if you refuse to see and study the more recently published sources I already cited and that state yoni means "womb/vagina/uterus/vulva/orgin/source/etc" depending on the context (I see the same problems with Linga article which you seem to have edited, I will be revising it too in coming weeks). This article already explains both, Parpola's concerns and supportive arguments, for NPOV. You have not read sources I cited, because you couldn't have missed Dales objections to the IVC theory on pages 101-102 in Parpola for example. Yes, Basham is talking about female generative organ (yoni) and the IVC theory on page 24, and you are misrepresenting him. No, the "scholars such as..." is not OR, since Basham and others dispute that theory. Remember what admin Diannaa repeatedly wrote on your page, after my caution to you for past disruptive editing, "you must write using your own words". We will not suppress either "Basham, Dales etc scholarly views disputing the IVC theory" nor the view that there may be "potential IVC and yoni/linga links". If you wish to propose an alternate wording, I will welcome and consider it.

You mention two sources - Britannica and Rowman & Littlefield, calling it reliable. Here is what they have to say,
 * Encyclopaedia Britannica states, "Yoni, (Sanskrit: “abode,” “source,” “womb,” or “vagina”) in Hinduism, the symbol of the goddess Shakti, the feminine generative power and, as a goddess, the consort of Shiva."
 * Rowman & Littlefield source edited by Kimmel states, "The lingam is most often worshipped alongside the yoni, a symbol of the goddess Shakti representing female energy. [...] The lingam-yoni, an erect penis conjoined at the base to the vulva, [...]

That is along the lines of what the revised new version of the article is stating. Why are you deleting it? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 17:25, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

 * I have made some changes in the lead taking into account the common usage of the word in religious traditions especially Shaiva. I think the old lead which was unchanged for so long reflected the article in a more appropriated way. And I agree with the the objections raised by Sahil. We should also decide how much weightage should be given to the controversial authors like Wendy Doniger. I will look into rest of the article later. Onkuchia   (talk)  15:44, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Onkuchia: This is not a Shaivism-according-to-Onkuchia/Sahil-pedia, but Wikipedia where NPOV is part of the policy. It is disruptive for you to repeat allegations without verifying the links/sources provided above and in the article. For example, see the quote from Encyclopedia Britannica above (this). Yoni in Sanskrit texts does refer to "womb/vulva/vagina/etc". The peer-reviewed scholarly journal paper by Doniger is RS. We can take this to RSN or other dispute noticeboards, if you wish. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:48, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
 * please guide us about the guidelines and procedures for this and the Lingam article. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:59, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Stop interpreting dictionaries of the 19th century. WP is not a dictionary. The content should reflect the subject of the article. And you have no reason to challenge the scholarly content that suggests yoni means womb in its basic sense both in literal and metaphorical sense. Yoni's secondary meaning as vagina in itself does not mean it must be included in the lead. Onkuchia  (talk)  16:39, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Onkuchia: Please stop misrepresenting the sources (plural), or me. The Encyclopedia Britannica link, and so many others, are not 19th-century sources! There should be no need for me to repeat what I have explained already (see my various comments on not-dictionary above), and I am getting tired of your disruptive behavior that ignores the previous discussion in this and other articles. Yoni does mean 'womb' and the lead and main section of this article state so. It also means 'vagina/vulva/etc', per multiple sources including Encyclopedia Britannica, and that too needs to be in the main and the lead. Find me a few RS that state that the fringe/rare/secondary meaning of yoni is 'vagina/vulva/etc', and I will review them. In my review of the cited sources, this is a significant/important/common meaning and needs to be in the lead as well. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:58, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
 * you added "Secondary meanings: uterus, vulva, vagina"... which source states this? We are not going to suppress the sexual meaning of the word yoni, hide it in a refn note, or present only one side because that violates the NPOV guideline. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 18:00, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Even the Britannica source you cited preferentially defines the term as "source" or "abode". In contrast you show greater preference for the meanings which are much less relevant than the basic and common meanings in religious system. Onkuchia   (talk)  19:00, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

 * One more thing: you're not supposed cite questionable sources authored by scholars working in the irrelevant field. You've cited encyclopedia of penis authored by British politicians. It is interesting to note that you prefer non-hindu texts over the texts that directly deal with Hinduism. Onkuchia  (talk)  19:39, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Onkuchia: The Rowman & Littlefield source (Kimmel et al) is a source that was cited by editors before I made my first edit. शिव साहिल mentions it above as "more reliable", and fwiw it is an acceptable source under our content guidelines. The ethnic origin of the editors/authors is irrelevant, plus you are wrong that the article was written by British politicians. If you read that Kimmel source and credits therein carefully, you will note that the article has been written by Rohit Dasgupta, an Indian origin name whose ethnic origin once again is irrelevant. Similarly, this article already discusses the "source" meaning of yoni (I added Adi Shankara's commentary on it), and no the source does not say that this is the preferential meaning. It is simply ridiculous to allege or imply or insist that yoni does not mean "vulva/vagina/female sexual organs", when so many mainstream scholarly sources state so explicitly including religious studies professors. There is no need for anyone to be ashamed of the sensual/sexual information or aspects of anything, given when this overwhelmingly discussed in the RS. We don't censor information in Wikipedia, and we must include the predominant view in the mainstream peer-reviewed sources. Please read the sources already cited in this article carefully, as well as WP:CIR guidelines. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 23:44, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree. The idea of preferential meaning is WP:SYNTHESIS. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:52, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

 * MSW, Onkuchia is correct about your selection of sources just like I highlighted above. You have been using sources that either make passing mention or they don't explicitly mention this subject or otherwise they are not reliable for this subject. You need to read WP:SYNTH and review the concerns raised here in place of personalizing dispute. शिव साहिल/Shiv Sahil (talk) 04:00, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Rohit K. Dasgupta is a British politician. Did I say anythin wrong? He is an academic in the Institute for Media and Creative Industries at Loughborough University[1] and a British Labour Party politician.. Let me know about his academic credentials related to sanskrit or religious studies. Otherwise I will have to remove the source. Onkuchia  (talk)  06:21, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

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You've been repeatedly warned about WP:SYNTHESIS

Please don't combine materials (by scanning through the Jstor database with the input "Yoni vagina") and form a statement which is not explicitly stated in the source. For instance, the source you cited doesn't explicitly deal with the etymology or meaning of the word yoni. The cited content deals with the translation of some medical text.

Cite the sources that specifically deal with the meaning of the word in different contexts and refrain from WP:SYNTHESIS Onkuchia   (talk)  10:12, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

It seems neither Onkuchia and शिव साहिल understand the WP:Synthesis guideline, unlike Kautilya3 who does. Let me quote it for you:
 * Quote: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. Similarly, do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source."

If the source states "yoni (vagina)" or "yoni (vulva)" or so on, these sources are explicitly stating yoni to mean these. What new conclusion does this article reach or imply where this and similar sources are cited, that the sources do not? If you allege that I am doing WP:Synthesis, you should identify with edit diffs what "new conclusion" have I reached/implied that the source does not. As Kautilya3 correctly mentions, your "preferential" claim above is synthesis (as are your primary meaning / secondary meaning allegations above), because the source does not make such a conclusion and it is your personal new conclusion. FWIW, I have already provided multiple sources that discuss the various meanings of yoni in more detail. For this article, we cannot ignore the meaning of yoni in Sanskrit/Prakrit medical texts, mythological texts, religious texts, drama and arts, temple design, kama and sex-related texts, and other literature where the terms linga and yoni sometimes are used. Since you allege that you have warned me already, I welcome you to approach a dispute noticeboard or try WP:AN / WP:ANI or whichever board you prefer where I will join you. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:30, 2 October 2018 (UTC) (ps) The article should not limit it to the meaning "womb", because [a] that is only one side/meaning per numerous cited sources and we do not take sides per NPOV; [b] the Sanskrit word garbha (गर्भ) means the "womb" in several contexts (embryo, temple, etc). Dasgupta, it seems, has been an ethnographer-academic at University of Sussex, University of West London and University of Westminster whose article appeared in an encyclopedia edited by others and published by Rowman & Littlefield. If Dasgupta got elected to an office, that is not a disqualification under our content guidelines. But that you, Onkuchia, selectively highlighted "politician" part earlier, that was inappropriate. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:13, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Yes, "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources."

 * Your conclusion:Yoni is a Sanskrit word that also refers to the female sexual organs "womb, uterus, vagina, vulva", or alternatively to "origin, source" of anything in other contexts.

 * The source you cited (New look at the Tocharian B medical manuscript IOL Toch 306) is the mere translation of some medical text. Like I said, it is not specifically defining the term in various contexts. The way you are citing sources is akin to citing translated religious texts to define words. Moreover, the source does not explicitly state "Yoni word refers to womb, vulva, or origin".

 * Well. I have not made any distinction in terms of primary or secondary meanings. I only intend to highlight the meaning in the most literal sense. However you prefer to censor that part for obvious reasons. As for the Britannica source, it reads: 'Sanskrit: “abode,” “source,” “womb,” or “vagina”'. So "Yoni word refers to source, abode, womb, or alternatively to vagina" would be the obvious version.  Onkuchia   (talk)  15:11, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Onkuchia: Technically, we can write "Sometimes yoni refers to the vulva.[1][2] Sometimes yoni refers to the vagina.[2][3] Sometimes yoni refers to the uterus.[1][4][5] ...." That is a crude style. It is succinct and a better style to compose the same information in our own words in the way this version of the lead does. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 17:02, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

 * (responding to ping) I haven't yet read the complete discussion above, but is there a reason the literal/root meaning of the term is discussed twice in the lede? First as The word yoni, in its most literal sense... other female organs of generation. and then as Yoni is a Sanskrit word... in other contexts. We obviously need to explain both the religious/metaphorical meaning (which makes the subject notable) and the literal meaning (since the metaphor derives from that) and should be able to find a way of writing that up gracefully instead of the disjointed and ref-bombed version currently in the lede. I'll try to help (at least as a sounding board), but it may be Friday till I can read all the prior dicussion and check the cited sources. Abecedare (talk) 22:32, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Abecedare: That would be most welcome. Please take your time. Emphasizing or exclusively stating "literal meaning is womb" from one source, when de-emphasizing or suppressing other sources that state yoni "literally means vulva", "literally vagina", literally "female sexual organs", and so on creates NPOV issues. We need to, as you rightly state above, summarize all these meanings, plus the metaphorical/religious ones, and do so gracefully for the sake of the reader. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 12:21, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

 * @Abecesare: The source says the word yonī, in its most literal sense, refers to the womb, both in a physiological (human womb) and metaphorical sense (any place of origin). I had already explained this in a most simplistic approach.  Onkuchia   (talk)  14:39, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

 * The James Lochtefeld source does state that in its most literal sense yoni is womb, but many others don't, and many others state yoni to be literally vulva, vagina, or something else. Just a few weeks ago, Onkuchia, you questioned the reliability and appopriateness of the Lochtefeld source and demanding his view be suppressed in favor of your POV/wisdom/prejudice which you felt was supported by Pollock. As I have explained, and there is no need to keep repeating the same thing in this and every article, wikipedia considers NPOV as a core policy and we rely on multiple sources and multiple scholars, along with the context therein, to establish what the mainstream scholarship is stating. We then summarize the mainstream peer-reviewed scholarship, the majority view and significant minority views, in accordance with our other content guidelines to the best of our collaborative abilities. So, if Onkuchia or another editor disagrees with Lochtefeld or similar sources in one article we can't suppress that view, and if Onkuchia or another editor agrees with Lochtefeld in another article we can't emphasize just Lochtefeld and exclude everyone else. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 03:42, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: History of Sexuality
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Stephen Dedman

Stephen Dedman (born 1959 ) is an Australian writer of dark fantasy and science fiction stories and novels.

Biography
Dedman's short stories have appeared in Year's Best Fantasy and Horror, Year's Best SF, and The Best Australian Science Fiction Writing: A Fifty Year Collection.

Contributing as a story editor, Dedman is also one of the team members behind Borderlands, a tri-annual Australian science fiction, fantasy and horror magazine published between 2003-2009 from Perth, Western Australia.

In 2007, he contributed to the Doctor Who short-story collection, Short Trips: Destination Prague.

Novels

 * The Art of Arrow-Cutting (Tor Books, 1997)
 * Shadows Bite (Tor, 2001) (sequel to The Art of Arrow-Cutting)
 * Foreign Bodies (Tor, 1999)
 * Shadowrun: A Fistful of Data (ROC, 2006).
 * Shadowrun: For a Few Nuyen More (Catalyst Game Labs) 2021

Story collections

 * The Lady of Situations (Ticonderoga Publications, 1999)
 * Never Seen By Waking Eyes (Prime, 2005)
 * Charm, Strangeness, Mass and Spin (Norstrilia Press, 2022)

Anthology contributions

 * Black Box e-anthology (Brimstone Press, 2008)

Non-fiction works

 * Bone Hunters: On the Trail of the Dinosaurs (Omnibus, 1998)
 * May the Armed Forces Be With You: The Relationship Between Science Fiction and the United States Military (McFarland) 2016

Chapbooks

 * The Dirty Little Unicorn (Self-published, 1987)

Short stories

 * "The Lady of Situations" (1994) in Little Deaths (ed. Ellen Datlow)
 * "Never Seen by Waking Eyes" (1996) in F&SF (ed. Kristine Kathryn Rusch)
 * "A Walk-On Part in the War" (1998) in Dreaming Down-Under (ed. Jack Dann and Janeen Webb)
 * "Honest Ghosts" (1999) in Gothic.net July 1999
 * "A Sentiment Open to Doubt" (2000) in Ticonderoga Online May 2000
 * "Probable Cause" (2001) in Orb Speculative Fiction No. 2 (ed. Sarah Endacott)
 * "Wastelands" (2002) in Agog! Fantastic Fiction
 * "Madly" (2003) in Southern Blood: New Australian Tales of the Supernatural (ed. Bill Congreve)
 * "The Wind Shall Blow For Ever Mair" (2003) in Gathering the Bones (ed. Ramsey Campbell, Jack Dann, Dennis Etchison)
 * "Twilight of the Idols" (2004) in Conqueror Fantastic (ed. Pamela Sargent)
 * "Dead of Winter" (2006) in Weird Tales March–April 2006 (ed. George H. Scithers, Darrell Schweitzer, John Gregory Betancourt)
 * "Empathy" (2008) in Exotic Gothic 2 (ed. Danel Olson)
 * "Wetwork" (2010) in Spells & Chrome (ed. Roc Books)
 * "Fall" (May 2012) in Exotic Gothic 4 (ed. Danel Olson)
 * "Large Friendly Letters" (2014) in Use Only As Directed (ed. Simon Petrie, Edwina Harvey)
 * "From Whom All Blessings Flow" Asimov's April 1995
 * "Large Friendly Letters" (2014) in Use Only As Directed (ed. Simon Petrie, Edwina Harvey)
 * "From Whom All Blessings Flow" Asimov's April 1995

Works edited

 * Consensual (co-edited)
 * Consensual: the Second Coming (co-edited)
 * Consensual a trois. (co-edited)
 * Borderlands Magazine

Awards
The Art of Arrow-Cutting was nominated for a Bram Stoker Award in the category of Best First Novel. In 1998 Dedman's "A Walk-On Part in the War" won the 1998 Aurealis Award for best fantasy short story. In 2001 "The Devotee" tied for the win with Terry Dowling's "The Saltimbanques" of the 2001 Ditmar Award for best short story. "Dead of Winter" won the 2006 Aurealis Award for best horror short story. Dedman has also received over 30 nominations for his work in awards such as the Aurealis Awards, Ditmar Awards, Gaylactic Spectrum Awards, the Bram Stoker Awards, and the Locus Awards.

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Talk:Adrian Zackheim

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I tagged this article because the occupation of book editor is not inherently notable, and a list of books edited, even if best sellers, is a résumé, not an encyclopedia article. An encyclopedic bio would have references to what someone else thinks about Zackheim's work. For instance, has he won any awards? Quale 07:24, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure I can agree with anything Zackheim says, but he is, imo, WP-worthy. --Anthony5429 17:50, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

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User talk:Sam2095

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User talk:Hbackman

To make discussions more intelligible, I will reply to any comments that you leave on this page instead of on your talk page.

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I noticed that you tagged the page Image:DSCN0183.JPG for speedy deletion with the reason "No licensing information; picture was uploaded January 25, 2005 but is still not included in any articles; user who uploaded the picture hasn't made any edits since uploading this image and therefore probably isn't going to make use of it anyway". However, "No licensing information; picture was uploaded January 25, 2005 but is still not included in any articles; user who uploaded the picture hasn't made any edits since uploading this image and therefore probably isn't going to make use of it anyway" is not currently one of our criteria for speedy deletion, so I have removed the speedy deletion tag. You can use one of our other deletion processes, proposed deletion or articles for deletion if you still want the article to be deleted. Thanks! Stifle 01:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I thought I saw "no licensing information" in the criteria somewhere... guess I was mistaken. Thanks for the heads-up; I'll put a different deletion tag on it. Hbackman 02:45, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Mary Mahler Article
Hbackman,

Thanks for contacting me.

I was concerned that the article did not have headers nor links. However, I realize that you are much more experienced than I - I have just started to edit last month - so if you could let me know what your point of view on this is, that would be great.

Again, thank you for bringing this up. I will use your feedback to improve my editing.

Take care,

Covington 23:33, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Typically, when I see a "wikify" tag, I think that that means that internal links need to be created and the article needs to be formatted to follow Wikipedia style. Sometimes that means adding headers, but an article this short typically doesn't need them. If you think that the article needs external links, you may want to use unreferenced (do not subst it).
 * Happy editing! Feel free to drop me a line if you ever need a hand with anything else. I always enjoy helping out whatever newbies come my way. ;)
 * Hbackman 23:39, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

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Dont worry glad to do it I had already been nonitoring that IP Betacommand 04:15, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Happy Easter!
Please put all tasty Easter wishes here!

 * Aww, thanks. :) Happy Easter to you too! Hbackman 06:01, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :) — [[Image:Flag_of_Ottawa%2C_Ontario.svg|20px]] [[Image:Flag of Ontario.svg|20px]] [[Image:Flag of Canada.svg|20px]]  nath a  nrdotcom  ( T •  C  • W) 07:01, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza
I'm wondering if you might consider joining Esperanza  (which is a Wikipedian organization dedicated to strengthening WP's sense of community and generally promote well-being), as you do a lot of things that would fit into the spirit of Esperanza, such as help other users. —    nath  a  nrdotcom  ( T •  C  • W) 07:08, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I've actually considered it in the past, but I feel as though joining an organized body like that would make me feel obligated to spend more time on activities relating to that body, which would take my time away from other things that I'd rather work on. I prefer my community-building activities to be less formally organized and more something that arises out of my other contributions to Wikipedia. Thanks for the suggestion, though. I appreciate your thought. :) Hbackman 02:47, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * You don't actually have to do anything other than what you're doing now, but I understand. — [[Image:Flag_of_Ottawa%2C_Ontario.svg|20px]] [[Image:Flag of Ontario.svg|20px]] [[Image:Flag of Canada.svg|20px]]  nath a  nrdotcom  ( T •  C  • W) 07:22, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

you best check yoself krik
[name removed] is a real teacher at ranney. [name removed] and [name removed] are gay together. i go to ranney. this is fact. I think people would want to know this FACT about ranney, if they were researching it. you are a krik. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.141.220.219 (talk • contribs) 18 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm not getting involved in the original vandalism issue; I just got involved when you started vandalizing a couple of user pages. I will say, however, that "I go to ranney" is not sufficient evidence to support an assertion. We have no way of telling whether that assertion is true, to begin with. Anyway, the phrasing of "are gay together" suggests to me (and probably to many other editors) that you are more interested in attempting to attack those teachers (why leveling assertions of homosexuality is an attack is beyond me...) than in adding constructive information to that article.
 * Also... what on earth is a "krik?" I'm assuming it's intended to be some sort of insult...?
 * Hbackman 05:38, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

well, im new to wikis, and didnt know not to edit the user page.... also, their homosexuality is not an insult. it is simply a fact. these two teachers go to ranney and are gay together. [name removed] is a physics teacher at ranney, this is not merely an assertion, as the reference official ranney website proves it. youre a krik. if you must ask what a krik is, you will never know. krik. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.141.220.219 (talk • contribs) 18 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Please sign your comments on talk pages using four tildes ( ~ ).
 * If you're going to continue throwing immature insults around, I am going to continue warning you for personal attacks. Please note that you can be blocked for repeatedly engaging in personal attacks.
 * Hbackman 05:48, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

nevertheless, my edits were factual, and referenced. they didnt deserve to be reverted. we must not attempt to fight facts, for this is obviously a futile battle. also, you have NO PROOF that krik is an attack, so stop warning me for NO REASON. krik. 69.141.220.219 01:51, 19 April 2006 (UTC)dangerous

 * The context of your use of the word strongly suggests that it is an insult, as does your refusal to define it. That is, I think, sufficient to warn you for a personal attack. (Also, your continued use of it is an obvious attempt to irritate me -- so I should probably tell you that you're wasting your time with this). Hbackman 05:59, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

you still have absolutely no point of reference or direct element of proof to display that it is an insult. you are a krik. accept it, and move on. you see it as an insult only if you choose to see it as an insult. it is not by duty to define words for you, even if i use them. to ask such is ludicrous. referenced material should not be reverted and pompous people should not attempt to scare off new users as you are doing with me. krik. 06:02, 19 April 2006 (UTC)69.141.220.219 06:02, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
 * If I can intervene for a minute...

 * Namecalling is immature. Stop personally attacking and trolling. The word 'krik' cannot be googled or looked up in any dictionary, therefore it is not a real word. By your repeated usage of the word, you intend to mean it as some sort of insult. Try one of the thousands of real words available in any dictionary. — [[Image:Flag_of_Ottawa%2C_Ontario.svg|20px]] [[Image:Flag of Ontario.svg|20px]] [[Image:Flag of Canada.svg|20px]]  nath a  nrdotcom  ( T •  C  • W) 09:05, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the backup. I doubt that the anon will care, but it's nice to know that no, I'm not crazy and overreacting. ;) Hbackman 23:25, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting my talk page Hbackman. I'm sorry it drew out the trolls. This conversation takes me back to school. I doubt the teachers that the student insulted would be too disturbed by the immature insults, they are teachers after all. I suspect they would be more embarrased by this student. Anyway, I am not responding to him anymore, just ignoring, as they say don't feed the trolls. I am watching his edits and reverting vandalism. You might want to send it to WP:AIV if he insults you anymore. -- Dark fred Talk to me 16:49, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

 * No prob. I'm honestly amused, not upset -- the "insults" are so immature and ineffective... it really brings me back to my own middle-school years. ;)
 * I do have some problems with feeding the trolls when I think that they may actually listen to reason (I believe there's a mini-rant about this on my user page). After the anon's final message, I decided that s/he was no longer worth my time.
 * Hbackman 23:25, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the info on RPA, I don't censor attacks on myself, but I don't want this to show up when someone googles one of this guys teachers. Thats not the point of WP. -- Dark fred Talk to me 00:30, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I've removed the names in question, just in case. Amusing use of the term "are gay together" though, as one doesn't have to have a partner/bf/gf to be gay/bi/etc. —    nath  a  nrdotcom  ( T •  C  • W) 04:04, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Another middle school/early high school immaturity, I think. I agree, though -- weird phrasing. Hbackman 04:10, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

My Comments on Kross' Page
I received your message on my talk page, and I will refrain from dealing with Kross for the short term. I feel that is the best way to handle the situation, and quite I'm realizing he's not worth my time. OsFan 02:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Okay. I think that that's probably a good idea. :) Hbackman 03:10, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Lou
Yeah, I know. It is sometimes hard top keep cool in certain discussions. KimvdLinde 03:26, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I feel that. I've nearly lashed out at him several times. Some of my older comments to him are definitely a little more sarcastic than they should've been. You do get kind of inured to him over time... till then, just remember to breathe. ;) Hbackman 03:31, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I am often pretty ok with that, sometimes, it just slips...... KimvdLinde 03:34, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with your assertions
I'm sorry, but I disagree with your assertion that I was being uncivil and that I was engaging in personal attacks. I stated facts as I saw them. I made no ad hominem comments. I feel I was treated shabbily for following the rules by someone who wasn't following the rules. Further, I find it very troubling that you have threatened to block me simply for disagreeing with what I see as poor treatment. While Wikipedia may not be a democracy, it's not a fascistic autocracy, either. Administrators make mistakes all the time, and presuming their infallibility, while always presuming the non-administrator is in the wrong, is destructive to the Wikipedia community.Jeff Fenstermacher 23:08, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

 * First, I have not threatened to block you. The first paragraph of my message on your page was a standard NPA warning that is given out to people who have made personal attacks, and it contains a note that those who engage in personal attacks may be blocked just to make the recipient aware of that fact (we like to make people aware that they're engaging in blockable offenses before they're actually blocked ;) ). Furthermore, you would not be blocked simply for disagreeing with an admin. If you disagreed by acting disrespectfully, however (and please note that I'm not suggesting that he has free rein to act disrespectfully toward you -- admins are bound by the same rules), you can be blocked for making personal attacks. I really doubt that it'll go that far in your case -- I think that you're taking the right steps to resolve this in asking for an advocate -- but nevertheless, people who make personal attacks are supposed to receive that standard warning. And accusing Mr. Blanning of acting in bad faith does count as a personal attack.
 * I am aware that you feel as though you have not been treated well. I'm sorry if I've contributed to that feeling, but I was following policy in giving you the warning.
 * Please let me know if you would like further clarification on anything I've just said or if you want to discuss this further. I don't want you to walk away from this with a bad taste in your mouth.
 * Hbackman 23:23, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I still disagree. A personal attack, in my opinion, is an ad hominem statement. So if I said something like, "you're probably the kind of person who doesn't have the good sense to recycle," that would be a personal attack because it's irrelevant to the matter at hand. When one feels one is treated poorly, however, questioning the motives of the other person is not a personal attack, in my opinion. Bad faith is an important fundamental to any pleading by an offended party -- when the action is suspect, then the motives may well be suspect, too. In my opinion, when someone's actions are in question, addressing the bad-faith motive is directly relevant and not in any way a personal attack.Jeff Fenstermacher 23:40, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I respect that you disagree. We're getting down to a slight difference in definitions here, so I'm not sure that we're actually going to come to an agreement on this point. But good luck with getting an advocate; I hope that you can work all of this out. Hbackman 23:47, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Eddy Onix
The french community ask the suppression of Eddy Onix for the reason vanitous and vanitous article. You' had the right intuition with the translation machine...--87.64.15.31 08:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I can't quite understand what you're trying to say in the first sentence... I speak a little bit of French -- if that's your native language, would you like to try to explain it in French?
 * Je ne peux pas comprendre ce que tu veux dire dans la premiere sentence... je parle français un peux -- si le français est ta langue autochtone, veux-tu essayer de l'expliquer en français?
 * Thanks/Merci!
 * Hbackman 00:13, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Re. Jaleelmalik's edits
I think they were good faith edits. There are some heated debates on in Kochi, Trivandrum and in Talk:Kerala. Looks like Jaleelmalik was just annoucing his new discoveries in the talk pages ! Tintin (talk) 05:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Really? Okay, you're clearly more involved than I was. Sorry if I inappropriately reverted, but I saw the same message slapped on several talk and user pages and previous vandalism warnings on Jaleelmalik's talk page and assumed vandalism. If you think that the messages should be reinstated, by all means do so. Hbackman 05:49, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Hey thanks for restoring my user page also. I noticed it just now. --Raghu 15:06, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

 * No prob. :) Hbackman 00:28, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

 * My concern was more that Jaleelmalik should not get blocked for being overenthusiatic :-) Tintin (talk) 04:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Warnings
Thanks for telling me. People have been trying to vandalise my user page and the pages I edit. Weirdy 05:24, 28 April 2006 (UTC).

 * No problem. Vandalism is frustrating, I know, but if you think about it and realize that these people really don't have a life if they're getting their kicks from writing silly stuff that's just going to be reverted in a minute or two, it makes it much easier to keep your temper, especially when they're going after your personal pages. ;) Hbackman 05:26, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Fixing my page
Thanks a lot. ;·) --W h y B e N o r m a l ? c · t  · m  02:52, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

 * No problem. :) Hbackman 03:05, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Be boop de boop
Thanks for pointing it out in a friendly way, I guess I was getting a bit too bold ^ ^ JayKeaton 05:35, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

 * No prob. Thanks for taking it reasonably -- that's a rare reaction to a NPA warning, and it's really gratifying to see. :) Happy editing! Hbackman 05:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Jacoplane's "experience"
Yes... his account has been registered for quite a long time. That sure makes him an experienced user... instead of butting in to conversations that do not concern you, I suggest you read through my comment on his talkpage. I dont like double standards. I'll be curt with him as long as I need to. KI 15:53, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Stop hand.svg|left|30px]] I feel you are slightly being uncivil, and I'd like to remind you to be civil and not to create personal attacks or take part in edit wars.  — [[Image:Flag_of_Ottawa%2C_Ontario.svg|20px]] [[Image:Flag of Ontario.svg|20px]] [[Image:Flag of Canada.svg|20px]] nath a nrd o tcom (T • C • W) 23:27, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

 * The longer you're curt, the worse the situation will get, in all likelihood. You certainly aren't going to make any friends by being incivil, curt, and antagonistic (all of which vibes I'm getting from you, albeit not as strongly as I've gotten them from some other people). But if you want to be left alone, I'll leave you be. I hope that you learn to interact with people in a more polite and communal manner, though, because if you don't you're really most likely to gradually alienate yourself from the community until you're tired of dealing with us and you leave. Hbackman 03:31, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't get it
You're cool, why would anyone vandalize your page? 27 times! Some people have too much time. I enjoyed your comment on pornography. Do you want to help me clean up the Mental Illness Article? I'm gonna put it on my "pending" to-do list. (Patrick 11:55, 12 May 2006 (UTC))

 * You're cool,
 * ::is flattered:: ;)
 * People are weird... I don't understand why they get their kicks out of vandalizing, but whatever. I'd love to help with the article, but school is crazy right now and I don't usually have time to check up on my watchlist, let alone do anything productive... maybe when things settle down, if you haven't finished with it I'll lend a hand. :)
 * Thanks for the note!
 * Hbackman 20:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That inspired me to make a comment in Talk:Pornography as well. - — [[Image:Flag_of_Ottawa%2C_Ontario.svg|20px]] [[Image:Flag of Ontario.svg|20px]] [[Image:Flag of Canada.svg|20px]] nathanrdotcom (Got something to say? Say it.) 21:41, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Yeah, finals are keeping busy too, but of course I'm doing anything but study, speaking of which, never mind Mental Health, look at ADHD. It's enormous, and it's chaotic. Cleaning that article is an epic amount of work that will be undone almost immediately, because we don't finish what we start. Just for fun, maybe I'm going to just start adding nonsense sections with sentence fragments and wait for someone to add a word. If you have time, check my user page for my current projects. (Patrick 16:39, 14 May 2006 (UTC))

Exclusive Mandate
I finished translating the article Exclusive Mandate from German; if you have a chance please take a look and see if you can improve or copyedit, thanks! (Patrick 14:48, 18 May 2006 (UTC))

Regarding Rklawton and the Lincoln body theft
Yes, by all means Hbackman, please look into the 1977 book "The Lincoln Conspiracy". It is all in there, what was stated above in my edit AND AT THE LINCOLN TALK PAGE!...Also then look to see how my dear friend Rklawton has been so kind...so fair,...ohhhh!..he is soooooo NPOV (in his mind)b towards me at every edit I have made regarding Lincoln at every turn....please do?, also you have my Rabbi's blessings to do so. (Cathytreks 18:25, 24 May 2006 (UTC))

 * I'm not quite sure what your rabbi has to do with anything, but I appreciate his/her care for my intellectual curiosity.
 * No offense intended, but frantic runon sentences and such do tend to undermine one's credibility on the Internet (or at least the serious parts of the Internet, which I will admit tend to be few and far between ;) ). You might have a better shot at not being blown off by people if you cut out the hyperbole and caps lock. Then again, if there's serious evidence against your claim -- such as, apparently, a recent picture of Lincoln in his tomb (but maybe I was misinterpreting that bit; I'm not really familiar with this issue) -- it's going to be pretty hard to get people to agree with you. I do have to say that this comes off as pretty conspiracy-theoryish, which is going to make a lot of people immediately skeptical.
 * Perhaps I'll pick up the book over summer vacation. Thanks for the recommendation. Is there any more recent scholarship than 1977, though? Generally people give more credit to more recent work.
 * Hbackman 01:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Kyle Peavley page
I thought you were taking control of things and someone else stepped in and did a lot more than what you said was needed. What is the meaning of this and why is he not credible enough to be on here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Advisory (talk • contribs) 2 June 2006 (UTC)

 * No one is "in control" of any one article. The ideal of Wikipedia is consensus and community collaboration, so it's perfectly normal and acceptable (and indeed, in this case quite desirable given the state that the article was in) for multiple editors to work on an article at once. Also, what I suggested was needed was just the least required to get the article up to a bare minimum standard for Wikipedia articles. Suggesting those changes wasn't meant to imply that no other changes were necessary. Most articles here evolve pretty constantly. It's unlikely that the article will ever reach a "finished" or "final" state -- although it will gradually have fewer and fewer places that really clearly need editing, someone will probably always be able to find something that s/he believes is worth changing in some way.
 * I assume that the second part of your question is meant to refer to the question of notability. The first places that you should look are Notability and WP:BIO. Those lay out the guidelines for notability pretty straightforwardly.
 * I would also suggest getting involved in a broader range of articles and projects on Wikipedia. Poke around, find something else that interests you, and start editing there, too. It seems that you may be strongly involved on a personal level with this article, and it can be tough to try to learn objectively about Wikipedia policy when you're seeing it applied to an article that you're really attached to, especially when it's being applied in what may seem to be a negative way. Getting more experience in other areas of Wikipedia will help you to learn the ropes without being so concerned about the consequences for any particular article.
 * Hope this helps; let me know if I can clarify anything or help you out with anything else! :)
 * Hbackman 05:20, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

-- Thanks again for the reply. I highly appreciate it. I'm new at this but have been using Wikipedia for years to find userful information quick. So if you don't mind me asking a question that probably sounds dumb: how did you send that message to me that you did? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Advisory (talk • contribs) 2 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I just posted a message on your talk page. Whenever someone else edits your talk page, you are alerted to the change.
 * Speaking of talk pages, you can sign your comments on talk pages by using four tildes ( ~ ). This is a good thing to do because it makes it clear to people that you've written a comment, and it lets them know when you made it.
 * Happy editing,
 * Hbackman 20:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello!
I was just looking around at your user page after I aimlessly clicked on it off the Kyle Peavley talk page and thought I'd stop in and say hi. I'm an English major too and read Bleak House about a month or two ago for my Victorian Literature class. Please tell me you're reading that for a purpose and not for fun! :) Love Dickens, but man, can that guy write...A LOT.  Metros232 20:21, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Yay English majors! :) I did read Bleak House for a class (a Dickens seminar... five Dickens books (I guess we actually got through more like four and a third) in ten weeks... so fun but SO much work, LOL), but I probably would've gotten around to reading it for fun sometime if I hadn't read it for class. I'm actually writing my paper for that class on Bleak House... my brain is tied in so many knots right now...
 * Thanks for the note!
 * Hbackman 23:32, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

User:Almost Famous, Enorcorss, etc.
''So if you think Wikipedia is a "piece of shit," why are you spending your time and effort around here? I don't mean to be insulting; I'm genuinely curious. If you think that the site is stupid, wouldn't your time be better spent on something that you enjoy and that doesn't anger/frustrate you? Hbackman 02:38, 5 June 2006 (UTC)''
 * He's an angry sockpuppeteer and I think he thinks he's trolling. Spamming my name (which is on my userpage) all over his talk pages is his way of getting back at me. Check out his sockpuppet list, it's not half bad.  RasputinAXP  c  03:27, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I thought it was probably trolling, but sometimes I enjoy trying to get disruptive people to actually try to rationally consider their actions. Most likely a pointless waste of effort in almost every case, I know... *shrug* somehow it still amuses me. ;) Hbackman 03:33, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm pretty amused too. I've been stalked by better.  RasputinAXP  c  03:42, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Endangering your wikibreak...
Re Dickens at the blacking factory, it would be no bad thing if you were to drop in a ref, as the article missed Featured Article precisely because of lacking inline refs. Fraid Dickens' life comes under "well-known facts" where I come from, so I don't have proper refs to add myself. JackyR | Talk 13:13, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Okay. I'll put that at the top of my "to do" list and get to it next chance I have. I've got one question, though, if you could help -- my source right now is actually the mini-biography at the start of my Penguin editions of his works, and I'm not quite sure how to go about citing that... do you have any idea? Should I just get a standard Dickens biography out of the library that mentions the blacking factory and cite that? Thanks! Hbackman 00:13, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Oddly, I know the answer to that: using the foreward is fine, just reference it as usual (per Wikipedia_talk:Cite_sources/archive9). And in general, WP:CITE is fairly good, if sometimes a little, um, fast-moving... The citation templates it links to are useful, if scary. Footnote stuff can be found at Footnotes, but that has also undergone recent changes... Sorry if that's not as helpful as it could have been :-/ JackyR | Talk 01:02, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

 * It's actually not the foreword -- it's like, you open the front cover and on the very very first page is a miniature biography. That probably counts as a foreword, though, I suppose. ;) Thanks for the help! Hbackman 02:52, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

LIST OF CONTRADICTIONS PROPOSAL
Hey people - what do you think that we should really show some dialect, that is doublethink, and contradictions in this article, my leading the readers to read, if they want - a list of contradictions. I think it would add some spice to this article? Tell me what you think - because I have the list on my Wikipedia user page... I hope you won't mind the list of contradiction in the doublethink article? Please reply on my user talk page...thanks--Lord X 20:53, 18 June 2006 (UTC)User:Xinyu

Re: Thanks!
Re: your message: You bet! I've had vandals running around all over my userpage lately, too. - Tapir Terrific 04:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Punctuation and quotes
Hey, thanks for writing. I, too, am American, but I'll add I'm an extremely strong proponent of the idea that, if the punctuation is not as would be correct within a quote, it should be outside the quote marks (it's pretty much all-inside for Americans and all-outside for the British). For example, when I see US media usage of commas within quotes in a list of titles, it really rankles me, given that each title does not include closing punctuation (basic text precludes italics, for example, so a US list of films in order of box-office receipts might read, "'Pirates of the Caribbean 2,' 'Little Man,' 'You, Me and Dupree,' and 'Superman Returns'"—but, when you look at the titles extracted from sentence form, there is no punctuation, so it should not exist within the quote marks). I feel the same about direct quotes—if the sentence ends in a manner that's demonstrably different from the quote, any differing punctuation should reside outside the quote marks. Call me anal... ;) <tt style="color:#161;">RadioKirk (u|t|c) </tt> 06:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I need to move on to other things for the moment, back later. :) <tt style="color:#161;">RadioKirk (u|t|c) </tt> 06:41, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Hmm. Maybe we're just going to disagree on this one. ;) I'm always really rankled when I see punctuation outside of quotation marks -- probably due to the (I think) aforementioned drilling into my head of "punctuation inside quotes" during middle and high school. It's my impression that people generally understand that final punctuation inside of quotes is often added so that the quote will fit grammatically into the sentence. They are not going to think that the actual title of a movie is Pirates of the Caribbean 2,. Hbackman 23:46, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

RinkWorks?
Did you say you're from RinkWorks? And a liberal? My god, you're an endangered species.

What's your name on RinkWorks? I'm "Eric". -Branddobbe 00:24, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Yay, another Rinkie! :)
 * I don't want my Internet pseudonym to be associated with my real name, so I'd rather not post it here -- but e-mail me and I'll tell you.
 * Hbackman 18:49, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

wikEd

Hi, I have seen that you are using the Cacycle editor extension. This program is no longer actively maintained in favor of its much more powerful successor wikEd.

wikEd has all the functionality of the old editor plus:• syntax highlighting • nifty image buttons • morefixing buttons • paste formatted text from Word or web pages• convert the formatted text into wikicode • adjustthe font size • and much, much more.

Switching to wikEd is easy, check the detailed installation description on its project homepage. Usually it is as simple as changing every occurrence of editor.js into wikEd.js on your User:YourUsername/monobook.js page.

Cacycle 21:41, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

thank you
Thank you for your kind help. next time i want to experiment disparaging gary danielson i will be certain to do it in the sandbox. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pauly0 (talk • contribs).

You're welcome. Please do keep it to the sandbox. Please also see the note about civility I posted on your talk page. Hbackman 05:45, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Template substitution
Hey, thanks for the reminder, I normally do use "subst:". But did you know there are bots that go around doing that so you shouldn't have to? -THB 00:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

 * No prob. Yeah, I do know that there are bots, but this is my way of allowing myself to use Wikipedia for really short breaks from work so that I don't get engrossed in something huge and spend 30 minutes doing this instead of working. ;) Hbackman 00:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Substituting templates
Thanks for letting me know. I did not realize it put a burden on the server and thought that was just how you did all templates (Duh!). I will do as you asked in future. Yours, Ruhrfisch 03:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

 * No prob. :) Hbackman 03:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Just replying to a similar message, but I think Ruhrfisch has already said much the same as I was going to say. Shall do. :O) Thanks. Flowerpotman 20:19, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

fr: Finrod
You're welcome; hope I helped at least a tiny bit. I'll try to get back to it soon. Figma 01:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Take your time. God only knows when I'll be able to get back to it myself. ;) (If you want to translate it further than I've gone you're quite welcome to do that, too.) Hbackman 04:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Quixotic plea
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Wikipediholism test. Thanks. —  06:26, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

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Huh?
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List of colleges and universities in the United States by endowment

Many colleges and universities in the United States maintain a financial endowment consisting of assets that are invested in financial securities, real estate, and other instruments. The investment yields a return that funds a portion of an institution's operational expenses while the principal exists in perpetuity. U.S. colleges and universities maintain some of the largest endowments in the world and make up the vast majority of higher education institutions with endowments greater than $1 billion.

The National Association of College and University Business Officers (NACUBO) maintains information on endowments at U.S. higher education institutions by fiscal year (FY). , the total endowment market value of U.S. institutions stood at $839.090 billion, with an average across all institutions of $1.215 billion and a median of $215.682 million.

Enhancements and levies
The tabulated data below are from NACUBO. Some universities benefit from endowments that are not under their direct control but which are nonetheless dedicated to the welfare of one or several institutions. Examples of these foundations include The Duke Endowment, the Robert A. Welch Foundation, and the Roy J. Carver Charitable Trust.

In 2017, a federal endowment tax was enacted in the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 in the form of an excise tax of 1.4% on institutions that have at least 500 tuition-paying students and net assets of at least $500,000 per student. The $500,000 is not adjusted for inflation, so the threshold is effectively lowered over time.

The endowment tax provision of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act has been criticized as funding tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy at the expense of education. Critics note that the tax could threaten financial aid for low-income students, stifle social mobility, and obstruct life-saving research. Lobbyists representing wealthy private universities continue to advocate for its repeal. The Don't Tax Higher Education Act, which would repeal the endowment tax, was introduced in the 115th United States Congress, 116th United States Congress, and 117th United States Congress but died in the Ways and Means Committee each time.

Public schools
For public universities, larger endowments are often associated with flagship state universities, especially those associated with a medical school. Eighteen states do not have institutions included in this list: Alaska, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Idaho, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming. Many of these states have small populations. The New England states, however, are known for well-endowed private institutions. New York is one of the few populous states without a public university with a large endowment.

Endowments per student greater than $1 million
Counterbalancing the effect of the large endowments per student for private institutions, average tuition and fees at private four-year institutions were approximately two to four times the average tuition and fees of four-year public institutions in academic year 2021–22.


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Knickerbocker Trust Company

The Knickerbocker Trust was a bank based in New York City that was, at one time, among the largest banks in the United States. It was a central player in the Panic of 1907.

History

The bank was chartered in 1884 by Frederick G. Eldridge, a friend and classmate of financier J.P. Morgan. As a trust company, its main business was serving as trustee for individuals, corporations and estates. Eldridge was the founding president serving until his death in 1889. Eldridge was succeeded by John P. Townsend, who served as president for five years until he resigned to become president of the Bowery Savings Bank. After Townsend's resignation, Robert Maclay was unanimously chosen to be the new president, with Charles Tracy Barney as vice president. When Maclay retired in 1897, Barney was elected president.

Panic of 1907
In 1907, its funds were being used by then-president Charles T. Barney in a plan to drive up the cost of copper by cornering the market. This gamble came undone due to the dumping of millions of dollars in copper into the market to stop a hostile takeover in an unrelated organization. Barney requested a meeting with J.P. Morgan to discuss financial assistance for the bank, but was rejected. The board of Knickerbocker Trust asked Barney to resign after he admitted involvement in the F. Augustus Heinze and Charles W. Morse speculations.

That afternoon, the National Bank of Commerce announced it would no longer clear checks for the Knickerbocker, triggering a run of depositors demanding their funds back that forced the Knickerbocker to suspend operations. George L. Rives, Henry C. Ide and Ernst Thalmann were named receivers. The failure of the Knickerbocker was the impetus for the Panic of 1907, and exacerbated an ongoing decline in the stock market that saw the Dow Jones Industrial Average lose 48% of its value from January 1906 to November 1907. The banking crisis is also seen as the final event that led Congress to form the Federal Reserve System in 1913.

A. Foster Higgins of Greenwich, Connecticut, served as successor president of Knickerbocker (Barney shot himself on November 14, 1907). Higgins was 77 years old and quite garrulous. Foster made public statements, including one following the death of Barney, that greatly embarrassed the Rehabilitation Committee under F.G. Bourne and William A. Tucker that was trying to get the trust company on its feet again. Nevertheless, the company reopened some weeks after its forced closing and paid off all depositors in full with interest.

In March 1908, Charles H. Keep became president of the Knickerbocker Trust. He had previously served as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury from 1903 to 1907 under Secretary L. M. Shaw during President Theodore Roosevelt's administration followed by his appointment as New York State Superintendent of Banks. He served in that role for less than a year until he was appointed to the New York Public Service Commission, from which he resigned in 1908 to become president of the Knickerbocker.

Mergers and acquisitions
In February 1903, Knickerbocker Trust acquired the Washington Bank, afterwards opening a branch in the seven-story Smith Building at 148th Street and Third Avenue in the Bronx Financial District. In November 1912, the company bought its Bronx branch building, which was considered the Bronx's first skyscraper when it was built in 1900. In 1912, its assets were acquired by the Columbia Trust Company, forming the Columbia-Knickerbocker Trust Company. One of the principal shareholders of the Columbia was Hetty Green and her son, Ned Green, was a director. At the time, Columbia had deposits of more than $21,000,000 and Knickerbocker had deposits of approximately $38,000,000. Columbia's president, Willard V. King, served as president of the new company and Knickerbocker's president, Charles H. Keep, became chairman of the board. It was said that one of the deciding factors with the Columbia interests was Knickerbocker's hold on the uptown field. Columbia Trust had no branches and had outgrown its headquarters at 135 Broadway.

In 1914, the name was changed back to Columbia Trust Company before it was acquired by merger by the Irving Bank of New York (which had been founded in New York in 1851) in February 1923. After the merger, it was called the Irving Bank-Columbia Trust Company. In September 1926, the company was renamed Irving Bank and Trust Company before it acquired the American Exchange-Pacific Bank after which it was renamed the American Exchange Irving Trust Company. In 1929, the name was changed again to the Irving Trust Company.

On October 7, 1988, the Irving Trust board signed an agreement to merge with Bank of New York ending a yearlong battle as Bank of New York engineered a hostile takeover. At the time of the merger the combined banks became the United States' 12th largest bank with asset of $42 billion. During that year Irving had been trying to participate in a friendly merger with Banca Commerciale Italiana.

Knickerbocker Trust Building
The New York City bank was housed in a Roman-style temple designed by McKim, Mead, and White and erected between 1902 and 1904 (illustrated) at the northwest corner of 34th Street and Fifth Avenue. Stanford White's design allowed for the possibility of adding nine stories of offices upon the structure. It had branch offices at 60 Broadway, in Harlem and The Bronx.

The Stanford White building was enlarged by ten stories in 1921, and the façade completely redesigned in 1958, with its signature pilasters covered over; it still remains, its original form unrecognizable.

Presidents of Knickerbocker Trust

 * 1884–1889: Frederick G. Eldridge
 * 1889–1894: John P. Townsend
 * 1894–1897: Robert Maclay
 * 1897–1907: Charles T. Barney
 * 1907–1908: A. Foster Higgins
 * 1908–1912: Charles H. Keep

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How does "science fiction / fantasy film" sound? That is the genre label that a number of movie sites have given The Fountain. (If you want the specific sites, just ask.) I'd like to inform you that I did not remove the original genre of "science fiction film" of my own basis, but instead in line with the concerns expressed by two other editors if that was the best label. Also, how would you describe in a NPOV tone (since you consider the current sentence to be that) the film? The sentence was written because per WP:LEAD guidelines, so it is meant to be a summary of the context that was below. See FA-class V for Vendetta for similar lead paragraphs. In addition, what other examples of fancruft do you see? The lead sentence for the Themes section is a summary statement that is fleshed out by the various examples in the section (religion = Bible, Buddha; mythology = "modern myth" quote; psychology = "survivor's guilt"), but I'll give you the technology one. There's not really any information about it, so I'll remove it. Let me know what other examples you see. Also, you state that there is a a large share of unsourced information — where? I see a citation behind every handful of sentences, and the context in which the citations are applied seem encyclopedic, not "speculative". Furthermore, "Coming out of the theater, Aronofsky thought to himself, 'What kind of science fiction movie can people make now?'" is directly from the very first citation in which he tells the story of how he came to conceive of the film. --Erik ( talk/contrib ) @ 15:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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El Jigue
Hello Kessingler. I too have tried to get EJ to use the 'talk pages' properly, but was rebuffed by the other editors who frequent those Cuban related pages (they argued that EJ should be ignored/given leeway). As you've already discovered, he 'refuses' to go by Wikipedia rules/policies (saying Cuban soureces are un-reliable & Wikipedia censures the truth) & simply responds to his detracter, suggesting they're communists (he did this with Administrator Durova. Nobody seems to want to 'block' him anymore or outright 'ban' him. I just protest (time to time), even when I have trouble understanding his responses. PS- he also likes to hand out 'nicknames', when confronted. GoodDay 22:05, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
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User talk:Gurubrahma/Archive01

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Please add new archivals to User talk:Gurubrahma/Archive02. (See How to archive a talk page.) Thank you. Gurubrahma 07:28, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

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India related links
pamri 08:45, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Economy of India
Hi, Thanks for your edits. I noticed your great edits on topics related to the Economy of India and it would be great if you can help us improve the article or related articles. Thanks again!! pamri 08:51, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Nice
Your edits are nice, please continue with the good work. --Bhadani 14:50, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Rama survey
hi, Initially all the surveys were included in a single page as i developed them. Then somebody threatened that, the page would be deleted as it was as lengthy. Hence i divided into multiple pages, and gave some name to each of them. That name was hence given to it without thinking much. You may change the title appropriately. Sorry for that. Ramashray 13:50, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Bahadur Shah

 * It was nice to see your edit, but actually Bahadur Shah Zafar and Bahadur Shah II are one and the same person. His real name was Bahadur Shah and as there was one more Bahadur Shah in the earlier period of Mughal Empire, the second is called Bahadur Shah II. In literary circle the second one was known as Zafar, which was his pen-name. Cheers. Have happy editing.--Bhadani 14:21, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Deputy prime ministers of India
Hi, I should have taken you into confidence before removing some stuff from this page. I hope you see the reason why I removed some stuff. Do add anything you may like. Manik Raina 05:52, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Another tenet of wikipedia is to do as much as possible through consensus. Perhaps that was the thrust of my argument. Manik Raina 06:38, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello
It was nice to see your message - actually I have made bigger mistakes, so please do not worry: let us always come closer to make wikipedia great. Have a nice time editing. Hope to see you around. --Bhadani 14:17, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Politics of India
I appreciate your good work with Politics of India. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:32, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Frequent edits
Hey, you've been doing good work. In Sania Mirza article I noticed that you have made frequent edits only a few minutes apart. Use the "Show preview" button more often and save when you've made enough number of changes. This would help watchers of an article to track the history better. Jay 19:57, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

 * (Archival)Hi Jay,

this is with reference to your message by the same subject name on my talk page regarding my frequent edits on Sania Mirza. As the edits were in different sections and as I prefer using "section edits" (saves time on a slow internet connection), I could not use preview and hence frequent edits would be visible. thought I shd. let u know --rgds.,Gurubrahma 07:38, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jay"

 * Hey it's fine, as long as you are aware of the feature. Jay 16:59, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Telugu Wikipedia
Can you please give your opinion at Wikipedia talk:Notice board for India-related topics -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:09, September 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * OK. I'll ask someone else. Thanks. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:29, September 13, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
I thank you for your support for my RfA, We shall surely interact more. I am certain that our association shall grow. --Bhadani 10:50, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Bahadur Yar Jung
Hi, I noticed you put a cleanup notice on this page, and tried to remove the mess. Do you think it's worth removing the clean-up tag now? Sam Vimes 14:18, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Cheers. Just to clarify: the last two paragraphs were definitely copyvio from - and the first paragraph was quite littered with POV. Sam Vimes 16:39, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the barnstar although I only did some minor copy & paste (My pinky & digitus secundus are grateful for the award though. :-D). BTW, that definitely won't be your last barnstar. -- Pamri • Talk 06:58, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for catching that my revert on the Gandhi page got rid of most of it but let that one line of vandalism through. Qaz 09:43, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Categories
I would prefer that the categories remain separate. It becomes easy to search and locate through the categories. Having multiple categories on the same page is ok, you should see some of the cricket bio pages; they are huge!. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  06:17, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Aruna Asaf Ali
Hey, you're welcome! I've actually always thought that one of the problems with the Wikipedia community is that we don't take enough time to let each other know our articles are being read and appreciated--all too often it feels like you're just editing into a vacuum. And thank you for putting a good article up! --Dvyost 16:41, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Dharmasastra
Thanks for your message. I changed few words. I think the article is ok and it should continue. Over a period of time it would mature. By the way, I have put my comments in the discussion. See you again. --Bhadani 10:12, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Reference
Hi, Can you add a reference for this edit using {{inotes}}? and add a link to in the reference section. View this comment in edit mode for an example. Thanks. Pamri • Talk 10:42, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks a lot for adding that. The actual quote was from Angus Maddison, who has done an interesting work on estimating GDP figures for most of the countries in the world. I was a bit concerned, the figures mentioned are over a very large time period, but have managed to fit in with the 2nd para of the colonial section. Anyways, I will try to search for the original figures. Thanks for your edits. -- Pamri • Talk 12:38, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Sam Manekshaw
Among your recent edits on this article you deleted the sentence "He was also awarded the Padma Bhushan." while adding Category:Padma Bhushan awardees. Did you mean to do that? --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 15:05, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Doh! I searched for "Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 15:41, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

thanks!
Hi! Thanks for welcoming me, and for the links on India in Wikimedia! Aabha R 12:57, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Copyvios
I apologise for the copyvios, I have this tendency to paste in chunks of text and then work on rewrites. I will redo the Martha Fineman article. Most of the Hindu Law article is original. The detailed minutae are taken from the statute in most cases or explanations appended to the text. I used material from Paras Diwans, Family Law which might also be the source of the other website.

Update- Re. Martha Fineman Just a few clarifications, my understanding might be wrong but I thought. 1)Copyright laws do not apply to factual information. For instance stating that Lawrence Summers is the President of Harvard cannot be copyrighted. 2) Neither is listing out publications made 3) Textual copyright is one of the hardest to apply. Modifications to a large extent dilute charges of copyright, which include taking from multiple sources or reorganisation. I can dredge up caselaw if you like

This of course may not conform to wikipolicies, so would appreciate feedback

Dharmasastra by Kane
Just saw your message in Machaon's talk page. Why not delete the Vfd request then ? Tintin 20:12, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks. What I meant by delete was something like this, but I guess that doesn't matter now. Tintin 15:06, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Re:comment on a user
Thanks for informing. I'll look at his contributions. utcursch | talk 11:17, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, I just noticed that he has discussed the matter with you above. utcursch | talk 11:18, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Aishwarya Picture
why was the L'Oreal picture reverted to the magazine pic? are we not allowed to put magazine ads? if so then is it ok to change the current Cineblitz pic for another magazine cover? thanks! Mailyn 12:34, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

thanks! I'm trying :) ok I will change to another magazine cover in a bit and I will let you know so you can check it for me and see if it's ok. thanks! Mailyn 12:42, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

ok I've added a new magazine cover. I also added another external link to a fansite that is very informative as it has lots of up to date articles, images and more. I hope this is ok, please let me know!

Mailyn 12:58, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

better? as in better quality you mean? I think the one I posted is clearer and you can see her face better. could you help? I am not understanding by what you mean. thanks! Mailyn 13:13, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

I see what you mean, thanks for taking the time to help! I am not understanding all the rules and regulations yet.

I'm not really good at writing so I decided instead of looking at articles with older or less clear pictures and try to find newer ones but I see what you mean. I'm on my way to lurking around for articles without pics so I can add to those (^_^)

Thanks again! Mailyn 13:36, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

EoI request
Hi, I was wondering if you can please put up a stub for Economy of India in Telegu. Translating the lead should be more than enough. Thanks. Pamri • Talk 06:04, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * If it is not too much trouble, how about using Itrans? If you type in transliterated english (as per ITRANS), I can convert to utf-8 using baraha and have it checked & uploaded by one te admin (he comes on #Indlinux). -- Pamri • Talk 05:49, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks a ton. For GDP at ppp, you can probably leave it in English, ie., transliterate in Telugu, just like I did for Kannada. Take your time and theres no urgency. I think, a lead should be enough for now and a brief caption for the BSE image. I will paste the formatted utf-8 text here, so you can move it to te & rightfully claim credit. -- Pamri • Talk 08:17, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Oops
Thanks for the heads up. That's what happens when you submit an article in the middle of the night. -- Mwalcoff 23:30, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

India SVG flag
I decided to re-draw the flag today, based on your request. I looked at Flag of India and made the corrections based from it. Zach (Sound Off) 05:17, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Gandhi
Whether or not a person agrees with these criticisms of Gandhi, the fact of the matter is that people have been making them who are not affiliated with the Hindu right wing. The purpose of the article is to present all relevant information and let the reader decide. If you or anyone else wishes to attack the credibility of those accounts, and have sources that support such attacks, by all means do so in the article. But hiding details which (if true) cause supporters and followers of Gandhi discomfort is not the way to go about an encyclopedia article. --Briangotts (talk) 18:55, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Brain Teasers:
Hi, just sending out a friendly notice stating that I have now got brain teasers on my user page. Will post new questions one day after the older ones have been answered. Thanks, Spawn Man 06:14, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

IIM
Hey. I hope you will revert it back, for I believe there is some significance. The AIM has a common history with the IIM, since they both introduced case method, with Harvard guidance, in their respective regions in Asia during the 60's. In a way IIM and AIM are sister institutions, with similar names and similar teaching methods. IIM is also a link found in AIM, so I hoped to make it the other way around too. I hope I changed your mind. --Noypi380 08:52, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

DYK
Excerpted from User talk:210.50.6.166 - to serve as a record (as I've been a major contributor to the article apart from listing it at the DYK suggestions page) --Gurubrahma 11:46, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Hardest Questions In The World Section:
Congratulations, you are currently tied 3rd on the Hardest Questions In The World Section's score board with 1 correct answer. You are 2 points away from the score board's leader. Spawn Man 07:08, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Well Done!
Barnstar of National Merit - Pl. see User:Gurubrahma

Re:Template:politics of India
I've inserted a break in the link. Tell me how it looks now. Thanks!--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91 ($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|)  06:15, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks!--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91  ($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|)  06:24, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Re:Surprise
Wow..Thanks for creating it. Check if it is ok. The ITRANS website also generates a preview using gif images and an font-encoded font. I will get it verified from some telugu guys 'morrow. Thanks again. -- Pamri • Talk 15:38, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks from te:
Hey Gurubrahma, Thanks for starting the Indian Economy article in Telugu wiki. We appreciate it very much. If you dont have a telugu configured system you can always post them in RTS format. One of us can transform them into Telugu unicode and post it. or you can do it yourself using padma. --Vyzasatya 19:55, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Amravati, Andhra Pradesh
Hi,

Just got your message on my Talk page and wanted to say sorry and thanks for pointing this out. I'm usually pretty good about checking the discussion page, but being new I do sometimes forget. You noted my error in a very nice and tactful way, which I really appreciate. By all means revert.

Hbackman 20:48, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Categories Famous and Heroic people
There will be controversy. I expect to have plenty of comment. And anyone is more than welcome to alter these suggestions. I have just started the ball rolling. I only gave Ghandhi as an example of a leader. I never meant that he was the only candidare. I was just trying to avoid all the famous people becoming heroic too. (They often call themselves heroic). Mandella is of course a leader too. Of course, I would expect people to add lots of new names, and remove some, if they don't think they suitable. I expect a lot of names, but not 'thousands' I hope. I have also tried to be objective. Maybe Audie Murphy is a bit cheeky, and someone might remove him... that's OK. Wallie 09:52, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello!
I'm very happy to meet you. This happens because of your proposal to merge a couple of food lists, and I'm still thinking through my response. I don't think I'm going to agree with you in the end, but I don't know. At any rate, I wanted to say it's really nice to have someone interested in the wikipedia food articles. Especially someone from India, which, to my mind, has pretty much the greatest food on the planet. Mothperson cocoon 21:59, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Telugu people category
This what we got up in telugu te:Category:సుప్రసిద్ధ ఆంధ్రులు though this not exactly equivalent to Category:Telugu People but the closest. The category is sparsely populated as of now. For more info see the reply to you post in te: --Vyzasatya 18:19, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for copyediting the nanavati article. Some of the stupid grammatical errors came from my initial moronic decision to write in the form of a suspense thriller. :-D Thanks for fixing it. -- Pamri • Talk 14:42, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the comments and please feel free to edit the article as you see fit. I am reading the judgement text and hopefully should be able fill any gaping holes. -- Pamri • Talk 09:28, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Your Revert
Hi - - What did you find objectionable in my contribution to the Indian Independence Movement article? Please specify. All I did was stress non-violent protest and the impact of this idea on world leaders. I think you have just reverted routinely without giving any thought to the matter. Please restore my edits - Anon
 * Hi Anon, pl. create an account so that it becomes easy to track who it is (for example, some one may work from the same IP as yours and I may mistake him for you). I'm replying here as I do not know if you'd be working frm the same IP again. As for the reason as to why I reverted your edits, the reasons are as follows: -
 * General: - As an intro, the section is intended to give a flavour of the movement as well as indicate its scope and significance. Hence, for example, Bose's actions needed at least a mention.
 * Specific: - 1) I found the use of the word prosecuted out of context. 2) Not all movements were about ending British rule; the mainstream movement itself made it an objective as late as 1929. 3) The independence of a fifth of humanity was secured with not one shot fired or one British life taken. - is extreme POV. Incidents such as Chauri Chaura did occur. This would be the first and last time I'd be responding to you on this page. In future, either post your queries on the article's talkpage or create an account so that I can respond on your talkpage. Thanks --Gurubrahma 05:29, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

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sorry, it was my mistake. It won't happen again. I will put a new more appropriate one tomorrow. I made a new article, please somebody check it out.

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Talk:Sedan chair

"These porters were known in London as "chairmen" and could be counted on to turn out in any public brawl." What is that supposed to mean? Bertus 07:29, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

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