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User talk:Magister Mathematicae/2005-09

Category:Wikipedians of Mexico
Hello Drini this message is a invitation to categorize your userpage in the category: Category:Wikipedians of Mexico or in the adecuate sub-category and erasing your name from the equivalent list since the lists of users are in process of being transformed into categories. Remember: You can categorize your user page in more than one category. example: your actual location and your origin country.

for more info see: User categorisation and Category:Wikipedians by location

Saludos. --Mnts 03:17, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

SuperShadow VfD
Greetings: pawing through the SuperShadow edit history, I noticed you've edited the page in question before. I thought you'd want to know it is now the subject of a Vote for Deletion, at Articles for deletion/SuperShadow. If you want, you could stop in there and cast a vote. --Maru 22:09, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks, but I only fixed a minor problem. Since I'm not involved into the content, I'd rather not cast a vote. --(☺drini♫|☎) 17:13, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Neither am I (well, I have edited before, but mostly the Talk:), but that doesn't mean it isn't important that I vote, does it? A VfD isn't about whether you are expert in the topic, it is gauging the consensus of the community as to whether the article should be retained. Did you think it was an article worth deleting, not useful to anyone? Or did you think it was a good article upon a topic somebody may be interested in?  Please say so on the VfD page -- unsigned comment by Maru
 * No. I refuse. Besides, it would be pointless as it seems consensus has already been built around that vfd. -- (☺drini♫|☎) 17:33, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Adminship?
Hi Drini! I see you have been activly pursuing some pretty persistent vandals the past hours and days, and your contributions history shows you to be an experienced user. I wonder if you would be interested in accepting a nomination for adminship, I was surprised when I checked List of administrators and didn't find your name on that list. Sjakkalle (Check!)  07:52, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure, I was thinking of applying for the mop at some point, I wasn't sure I had enough merits yet. -- (☺drini♫|☎) 18:49, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Alright Drini, your nomination is up at Requests for adminship/Drini. Good luck! :-) Sjakkalle (Check!)  06:14, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Drini, you have gained 10 support votes and 0 oppose votes. But your adminship request will be null and void if you don't accept it and answer the three candidate questions. Could you please check that? — J I P | Talk 17:49, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure, I wasnt online yesterday night ;) -- (☺drini♫|☎) 18:22, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

No problem
Glad to help. Psy guy (talk) 19:31, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

planet math
There's a user called 'drini' on planet math, listed as one of the all-time heaviest editors at PM. I was assuming that's you, but thought I'd ask. If so, I was wondering if you were engaged in moving stuff to PM from WP, as well as in the other direction? linas 23:52, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

 * See User talk:Drini. Oleg Alexandrov 00:50, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes I'm the same drini, but I don't know of a substantial wp -> pm content moving, most of the content I created on pm was before I got into wikipedia. -- (☺drini♫|☎) 01:02, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I keep on interjecting when not asked. :) Moving stuff to PM from WP is tricky as one has to convert wikicode to LaTeX format. While that is easy for text, links and tags, how on earth would one convert HTML formulas to LaTeX? Oleg Alexandrov 01:36, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

written permission to use the image Milaria Scotia Regium 1595.jpg
Since this was becoming huge moved to its own page: User talk:Drini/MilariaScotia. Please continue the discussion there. -- (☺drini♫|☎) 05:25, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Halo 2 vandalism
Anyway we can lock down that page? I'm getting tired of reverting it. --Rayc 04:06, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not an admin, but I'm on watch (I had to do something for a few minutes). -- (☺drini♫|☎) 04:08, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I've reported them to WP:AIV hope that will do. -- (☺drini♫|☎) 04:11, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, bro.
Thanks for catching and fixing that vandalism on the TLC entry. Glad to see I'm not the only one on Wiki looking out for my girls! :) Cjmarsicano 05:25, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Your welcome. -- (☺drini♫|☎) 05:26, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar
Hello Drini, I looked through your user contributions the other day when I saw your nomination on FAC, and I thought that you'd be deserving of a RickK anti-vandalism star, on merit of resilient anti-vandalism. Do you accept? --Knucmo2 00:46, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * sure :) -- (☺drini♫|☎) 00:47, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * However I got to ask: which FAC???? -- (☺drini♫|☎) 00:50, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Nitocris
I'm sure you would agree that heavy handed edits of topics a user is entirely ignorant of might profit by being entered into on a discussion page in the form of questions first. Rktect 02:48, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * I beg your pardon, what are you talking about? -- (☺drini♫|☎) 03:37, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Your methodology. Rktect 23:16, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've nver touched Nitocris. -- (☺drini♫|☎) 04:01, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

?
Do you have stairs in your house?

 * Yes I do. -- (☺drini♫|☎) 06:51, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

ISO 8583
It was either a narrow interpretation of G1 (no meaningful content — we knew only that they wanted to know about the standard, which has no meaning in an article sense), or A1 (little context — there was no way of determingin ab initio that the contents of the article were indeed an ISO standard unless you already knew that such things existed). Now I think about it, I prefer the interpretation of A1.

Plus, there's the fact that it was a question, not an article so could be construed as a user mistake or test that was 'obviously' intended for WP:RD. -Splash 06:48, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * He was askingfor information about ISO 8583. Thanks for the comment. -- (☺drini♫|☎) 06:50, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not a fan of it, but there's always WP:IAR if you really need it. I usually understand that to mean "you can bend a rule to breaking point if you are certain it is good for the Wiki" — i.e. if you reckon the heat you'll take for bending/breaking the rules will be either zero or small. Congrats in advance, by the way. Did I vote yet? ...-Splash 06:58, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes I know, but as it standed "I need to find online information baout ISO 8583" didn't stand much chance as an article, so I dropped him a note about it being better to use a search engine (that'd be quicker than waiting for someone writing an article on the ISO). -- (☺drini♫|☎) 07:00, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

automatic reverter?
I've noticed that from your reverting summaries, you seem to be using a special method to speed up page-reverting for non-administrators. If there's a program for speeding up reverts, I'd like to know how to obtain it.

Thanks in advance. :) --Ixfd64 06:48, 2005 September 13 (UTC)

 * It's a java script that gives you a "rollback" button on diffs, created by User:Sam Hocevar and which can be found at qwikly.com -- (☺drini♫|☎) 06:52, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Many thanks, sir! :) --Ixfd64 06:54, 2005 September 13 (UTC)

 * Hey wow (where did I come from?) that totally answered a question I had (who am I?). So let me 'me too!' a thank you.  --W.marsh 22:34, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I demand that you stop with this infernal automatic nonsense at once! All of the joy has been sucked out of my antiquated vandal fighting as you always get there first. You kids with your fancy toys... brenneman (t) (c) 07:12, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Hahahahaha, anyway, my request for adminship ends tomorrow, and then I'll have the even faster real button ;) -- (☺drini♫|☎) 07:15, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * (Checks to see if one "oppose" will tip the scales...) brenneman (t) (c)  07:18, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Probably... :) -- (☺drini♫|☎) 07:19, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately, the script didn't seem to work for me. I guess that it's imcompatible with certain browser versions. Thanks again anyways for showing me where to get it, though. :) --Ixfd64 08:04, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Same problem here. It gets as far as "Getting article history..." and stops with "Error: Object doesn't support this property or method". I'm using IE 6.0 and JRE 1.5.0_04. Which are you all running? Owen× ☎  00:16, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, since I'm an admin now, I can't tell. I no longer use it. -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 00:31, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I know, I know...rub it in. :P Owen× ☎  00:51, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Trying to slow you down a little
Can you look at these Special:Contributions/165.247.42.72 and tell me what you think? I'm blasé enough about finances that I don't know, but mass creation of articles always make me suspicious. - brenneman (t) (c)  07:29, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Seeing as this talk: is still on my watchlist from a minute ago — I saw the one Aaron tagged for speedy, and I thought about it but chickened out (so did Aaron; he didn't give a reason, although it's nearly A1). I disliked it enough that I didn't AfD it though. I can't find a copyvio, and they are so dispersed (geographically) that I don't reckon they're spam.I think you either have to keep them, e.g. S&P 1500 isn't so bad, or mass-AfD them as a merge to List of stock market indices. I do wonder where the material is coming from at quite such a rate though. -Splash 07:43, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh well, I actually went to sleep a litlle bit before you guys posted that. I'm in a little bit of a hurry right now (got to see my thesis advisor soon) but I'll take a look later. -- (☺drini♫|☎) 16:42, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

ON delete tag
Ooopsss, I think I didn't read anything about keeping the text; I am sorry, should I post it again? -- GalaazV
 * it's ok, no biggie. The keeping of text is just to save time of admins. -- (☺drini♫|☎) 05:36, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

You're a sysop!
I'm pleased to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. Congratulations!. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! =Nichalp  «Talk»=  06:24, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Congratulations. I've noticed that you used the real rollback button now. :) --Ixfd64 06:26, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

 * /me grins. -- (☺drini♫|☎) 06:31, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Just remember - with great power comes great responsibility. :) --Ixfd64 06:39, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Congratulations with your mop and bucket and a fairly rare case of a unanimous support vote! Guess the RFA answered a resounding "Enough!" on your question, "I wasn't sure I had enough merits yet." :-) Sjakkalle (Check!)  07:22, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks Sjakkalle, and everybody that trusted me and gave me their support . -- (☺drini♫|☎) 07:25, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Calle Ciega
I've added my vote based on info I've dug up. Could you check back and either expand your reasoning, or consider retracting the nomination? - Mgm|(talk) 09:37, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
 * You're right, I apologize for the mistake. The new entry is much better, so I'll change my vote. How can I withdrawn the nomination however? -- (☺drini♫|☎) 13:48, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

CSD criteria
Replied over there. --Blackcap | talk 21:08, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Detailed test messages
How do you make detailed test messages so quickly? I'd like to learn too! :-) --HappyCamper 00:41, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Using my templates For instance instead of  I use  and I copy paste the diff url from my browser within [] to create the second link. Now doing all at once with tabs (one tab reverts from the diff, other opens the talk page, etc) -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 00:44, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Note
This isn't vandalism, but it's the only way I know how to contact: From (68.47.26.123). You reverted an afd message that I deleted. Please do not do that, I created the deletion afd. And no body agreed to delete, so I sped the process. --anon
 * Once the voting started and people have voted, you cannot withdraw it even if you proposed it, since it the given time the poll lasts, enogh votes to change the outcome can happen. So no, you cannot remove the afd. This is regarding,.
 * However, this is considered vandalism: . Likewise, this is also considered vandalism. -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 21:46, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

 * This isn't vandalism, but it's the only way I know how to contact: From (68.47.26.123). You reverted my page for a second time. I have told you once not to do that! Do not do that! If (I) delete something, then leave. (Do not) revert something on my discussion page that is not vandalism! I repeat, (DO NOT DO THAT AGAIN). I already know the process, yaddah-yah! If you're going to add anything to my page, make it useful. Don't throw that in my face, okay?68.47.26.123 02:26, 17 September 2005 (UTC)Message from anon user
 * Don't ever mess up with the comments on my talk page. Editing other people's signed comments it's vandalism. Read WP:VAND (regarding ) -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 05:39, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Consider yourself warned too. What you were doing is also considered vandilsm, and rude. Thank you very much, and don't contact me again. 68.47.26.123 16:03, 17 September 2005 (UTC) Final note: I'm not a vandaliser. That ^ is not the work of me. Other people have my IP adress, and I know some of them. I know all about vandalism, when I deleted the previous messages that I sent you, I was just trying to clean up your messy page. I was not acting with aggresive or rude action. So before you critize me, think of what you're doing.

Request
I am asking past editors of the Karl Rove page to weigh in on a survey. If you can spare a couple of minutes, please visit this page: Talk:Karl Rove/September Survey, read the introduction, and answer the three questions that have been posed. Thank you. paul klenk 09:26, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

test3
Hi, I can't help but notice that on at least 2 occasions today following reversions you've started at test3 on the corresponding talkpage, rather than test1, is there any reason for this? Regards, Mallocks 01:36, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, in both cases the changes weren't merely tests (as from a new user) but were actually attemps at disruption. Several factors I take into account: obscenities, removal of large chunks replaced with nonsense, user had already several vandalism in their contribs (and hadn't been warned) or it was a recurring vandal that came after a block expired, etc... -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 01:39, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

User:KINGA QUEINZ! (Riven)
As expected, he's now back with a sockpuppet: User:I_want_Bleberries. Owen× ☎  02:12, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
 * also as User:ArageR, but I'm on watch. -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 02:13, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Your so-called sockpippets of User: KINGA QUEINZ! are actually socpuppets of User: Regara. -- ''comment by User:Someone...
 * Well I wans't aware, you may also want to tell User:OwenX -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 02:29, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
 * True. I only realized this once I started collecting them all...hope I got them all now under the category. I don't think it really matters which of them was first, does it? Owen× ☎  02:34, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Many users may be misled by this. -- comment from User:Someone...

 * Currently there is a Wikipedia: Vandalism in progress/Regara that tells an interesting fact. -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 03:17, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Sorry

 * ( --unsigned comment from User:King Wario

POV template
Is there a good POV template to put in POV pushing talk pages? If not, do you think I should create one? - RoyBoy 800 05:31, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Look at Category:Accuracy_disputes for templates that you may use. for instance, Template:Dubious, etc. -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 05:33, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, a template for patrol, like test2 etc... but created to specifically address an anon POV pusher. Because the "This message is regarding the article Talmud. Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked..." template isn't as instructive as it could be for POV issues. - RoyBoy 800 05:41, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Not that I'm aware of, but I haven't checked the templates about disputes either. -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 05:43, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Sockpuppet watch list
Is it possible to have users added to a sockpuppet watch list? There are a few users who I suspect are using sockpuppets to do reversions against consensus on Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming. --Comaze 06:03, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
 * not that I'm aware of. -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 06:20, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Removing access keys
Hi, you asked on IRC about removing access keys. This javascript function does it, I think. Let me know if you need help using it. It only checks for access keys on links and input elements (buttons, textboxes and so on), but I think that this will suffice for wikipedia.

function removeAccessKey(key) { t=document.getElementsByTagName('A'); u=document.getElementsByTagName('input'); for (var i=0; i<t.length+u.length; ++i) { var s=((i<t.length) ? t[i] : u[i-t.length]); if (s.accessKey==key) s.accessKey=''; } };

// Usage: eg // removeAccessKey('z');

Lupin|talk|popups 00:53, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * THANKYOU^n -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 00:54, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Well it didn't work, at least using removeAccessKey('d'); didnt' remove alt-d shortcut. -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 01:31, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Hm, the function works but I didn't give you instructions on using it properly. (You have to delay execution of the function until the page loads or there are no access keys to remove). Take a look at Village pump (technical) for a better chunk of code (which also lets you remove more than one access key at once). Lupin|talk|popups 01:40, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

By the way, I noticed that you removed the popups script after trying a local copy - were you trying to save time on the page load? If so then it may be worth trying again as I've put all the dependencies of the script into one file rather than spreading them out, which should make things considerably quicker. Cheers, Lupin|talk|popups 01:42, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Alright, I liked the popups, specially for the easy access to a block page from within an user/ip link. It's just that those days wikipedia was way slower than normal and I didn't want to add more loading time. -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 17:13, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Re: User talk:199.8.13.1
Sorry if this isn't the correct format, I go to a university and the network IP address is 199.8.13.1, so when I came to the Wikipedia site tonight (this morning) I got a thing saying I have new messages, so I looked and it was regarding vandalism by an anonymous user using the IP address 199.8.13.1 on the Talmud article, so I guess some idiot who goes to my school was on here inserting their babblings. Anyway, I wanted to apologize on behalf of my school. Ben D. 08:09, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Your signature: why not use literal Unicode characters
Hi,

Since Mediawiki 1.5, you can just use literal (driniM2|TEL) in your signature instead of the numeric character references (&#NNN) which show up in the edit window of a talk page. -- Curps 08:54, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Is there any advantage? would it still work on the major browsers? -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 20:26, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * It should display exactly the same... uh, by the way, what browser did you use to make that last edit (M2, TEL)? -- Curps 20:36, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't recall if I was using either links or w3m (both text mode browsers). -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 23:07, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh I see what you meant I guess in text mode the telephone got changed to TEL and when saving, it became letters instead of picture, but my signature was fine since it was rendered after I pressed SAVE. -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 23:10, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Could you visit this website to find out what your user-agent string is (for the text-mode browsers), and then contact to let him know... if your browser garbles Unicode characters, it's necessary to let Mediawiki know about it so that it can compensate. -- Curps 06:56, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Links and W3M are known problem cases, the complication is that they are only noncompliant when used on a non-unicode terminal. The probable soloution is to put them into the bad browsers list but give users a way to override that list. Plugwash 14:34, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

 * It's not like I use them often, but as I see plugwash is already aware of the issue. -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 16:56, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Is there any way to detect this automatically? In the login screen, maybe there could be a small edit window pre-populated with literal Unicode characters, and if that comes back garbled, then a non-Unicode-safe flag could be incorporated into a cookie or into the wpEditToken? -- Curps 18:52, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

NLP article
Hello Drini. I noticed your reversion on the NLP article and can see that you have a great deal of experience. I have recently joined the fray due to a very obvious non NPOV presence there from NLP promoters. They do seem to have done a great deal of fact deletion over the past month. I am not so well conversant with NLP but I do have access to a great library. Anyway, it is really obvious when people are deleting large sections or doing dodgy stuff. No pressure, its just that another well experienced person looking in occasionally would be nice. Best regardsAliceDeGrey 03:25, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Actually I didn't want to revert that one, but I couldn't cancel the action once it was set in motion by mistake -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 03:37, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

User:168.212.65.126
Is everyone allowed to vandalize 1 page every day with impunity, like this IP? This one has been vandalizing pages since long ago, and received enough warnings. In case it matters, he vandalized Blue screen of death 3 times yesterday, and 3 different pages two days ago, isn't that enough? What is enough, anyway? --tyomitch 20:45, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, but anonymous ips are blocked temporarily only (suually 24 hours). And WP:AIV is for inmediate action, he stopped, so I removed from it, perhaps you'd like to add it WP:VIP. -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 20:48, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, it seems to have ceased vandalism for a while, so there's no big deal. But what am I to do if it continues? list it at VIP? Have a mercy for me, I'm not very long around here to know all the policies. --tyomitch 15:18, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, if it persists, then you would want to mention it on WP:VIP. However if attacs fast and often, you go to WP:AIV. Finally, you can always drop me a note so I can take a look. I don't bite ;) -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 22:50, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

from RHaworth
Nice to know that someone is watching but 213.123.195.207 is my sock puppet. It is not my machine and I don't like to log on in case I get called away without logging off. -- RHaworth 02:54, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Alright sir! -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 02:56, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Template:Test-b
Drini, I have created a template intended for notifing a user that a test has been reverted and references the article in question. It is tailored after. I would appreciate your opinion and input. Thanks! Psy guy (talk) 03:12, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It's good, but isn't it almost the same as Template:test-n ?

Vandal
Hi Drini. You might want to keep an eye on. It's an IP you blocked earlier for vandalism, but is also a large broadband proxy and was affecting a legitimate user, so I've removed the block for now. If it needs to be blocked again, please try to keep it short, if possible. Thanks. Angela. 04:22, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll do, however neither the user, talk page wanr it about being a proxy, nor it shows on the list at the block page, and since I don't know ISPs ip ranges by memory, I set the block. Do you know the ip range for such ISP so I can take it into account in the future? -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 04:42, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't know what range this covers. Often, it is just a case of trial and error, and adding sharedip templates when you block one and later get complaints about it. Checking the IP with a tool like dnsstuff can sometimes help, but often not. I wasn't complaining that you'd blocked them - I realise it can't be helped and proxies will get blocked like this - I just wanted to explain why I'd removed the block. :) Angela. 05:14, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks for pointing me the issue. -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 22:54, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Your Vote on Davien Crow

 * You said they are not notable. Please review the rebuttle I posted, the fact that everyone from Marilyn Manson to Suicide Girls and large internet sites like Roc Detector and Megametalonline and more importantly SMNnews should be proof enough are involved with Davien Crow and his band Sin Star should be enough ... But I have covered most of this already. I am asking you kindly to please review the facts and consider changing your vote to keep the article.

 * Look the point summarized is I am willing to work with you guys on why these were deleted but until now noone has given us any feedback and has even lied about stuff trying to get it deleted. All 3 of them meet the sufficient amount of requirements for WP:MUSIC, the guidelines in WP:Criteria_for_inclusion_of_biographies, Importance, Notability (the fact that suicide girls, gidget gein, and marilyn manson are involved and can be verified in those links should proove that), Fame_and_importance mainly the part stating "There is clear proof that a reasonable number of people are or were concurrently interested in the subject (eg. it is at least well-known in a community)" If you can't tell the community of Myspace.com and Livejournal.com alone are enough to meet this criterea you are blind. If you do google searches, go to forums and search their names, or visit internet archives you can find un-disputable information on the band from reputable sources, first hand accounts that are years older than these discussions, and intangible archives kept by internet archives. IF you want more detail read my above rant, your right I do sound mad about this, because I can't see how you can say they do not meet criterea or that this is a vanity page. Please accept my apologies for anything you have taken to be rude and please re-consider changing your vote. What Harm could it do ? BTW I am not trying to bully anyone, I can show you the location of the people threatening to come here and vandalize the hell out of Wikipedia. But I do not want that to be part of your decision at all. (please reference the large rebuttle on the discussion page itself)

 * I have posted this, I hope that some of you will consider looking for my information and reconsider your vote for now. A lot of people are simply responding to the rudeness of user:sin-thetik and some things I said are being misconstrude as threats. I am simply upset because of all the time it took to write these 3 articles, knowing they fit the guidelines, only to have somone delete them with the proof and verifiable facts right in front of them .. just their un-willingness to read them. Please think it over, I appreciate your time. I'm just a fan girl trying to be the first to get an article up about them since I have been running a fan site about them for almost 2 years now.

 * PLEASE THINK IT OVER G4DGET 05:16, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I though it over. Thanks. -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 22:52, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Rktect arbitration
Since you left a statement, you may be interested to know that there is now a Requests for arbitration/Rktect/Evidence. -- Egil 13:48, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I know I've been following the case. I was preparing new evidence other than it was gathered (from the egyptian and mathematics topics). -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 18:04, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Advice requested on basic RC patrol
Hi Drini. I hope you don't mind me coming to you for a bit of advice on RC patrol. I'm just starting to spend a bit of time each day on it and I remember everyone being so impressed with your patrolling skills in your RfA your name stuck in my mind as being associated with it!

I just want to know whether I should be creating talk pages for anon IPs so as to warn them. I think I remember reading at some point in the past that you shouldn't create the talk page for an IP just to issue a warning if it's not already there, but I can't find that reference now. And how would I stand if I wanted to get an IP temporarily blocked but I hadn't issued any warnings?

I do like the test-n templates I've just discovered by the way. Good work :-) ~ Veledan • Talk + new 17:01, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I've been tempted to put welcome tags on IP talk pages. I haven't yet... but it would be like putting all the advice there. But really, I've noticed most IPs doen't even bother talking... unless they are a serious wikipedian, in which case we should encourage them to create a user name. -- NatsukiGirl \talk 17:51, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Someone just showed me the way to welcome IPs... tag them with Anon instead of welcome or subst:welcome... and I just thought of something, it might be a good idea not to sign those kinds of welcomes, because it might invite certain IP's to come and vandalize your page. Of course they can see you welcomes them in the history, but why invite touble? -- NatsukiGirl \talk 20:29, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't think welcoming anonips is going to help much, however you should (¿must?) create the talk pages in order to warn them when they commit vandalism (as to keep track of repeating offending ips). However keep in mind that not all that seems vandalism truly is, and you need to be gentle and treat respectfully everybody (even vandals). Anonips that haven't been warned can sometimes (under some circumstances) be blocked, but yes, warn them if you can (even if that needs to create the ip's talk page). another advice, regarding templates it's always better to use subst: (for instance: article instead of since for technical reasons, using subst: is easier on wikipedia's servers. I agree with NatsukiGirl about not signing anonymous welcomes (but I don't do those anyway). There are a LOT of new signed in users you can welcome better, try this: [new users log]. If you need any assistance or help, don't hesitate to drop me a note. -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 01:42, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Cheers, I'll carry on making talk pages to warn IPs then. As regards being gentle, I'm grateful that the first  /  templates are pretty nice and assume good faith, but I have occasionally been starting with  where the vandalism has been obscene / disruptive / persistent and couldn't possibly be interpreted as a good faith test.  I trust this is the done thing! ~ Veledan • Talk + new 20:29, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Your vote on my RFA...
I noticed that you voted on my RFA, but your vote seems a bit confusing. You voted "Extreme Phrozaic Support" under the oppose header. So...uh...which is it? I'm guessing support, but I don't want to fiddle with anyone else's vote. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 08:41, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Same thing on RoyBoy's RFA. I've moved it to the "Support" area; if you were actually opposing, feel free to move it back and I won't mess with it any further.   Ral  315   WS  12:50, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I indeed got things mixedu p last night, I'm fixing them right now. -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 17:14, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Mediation
Please look at the bottom of my talk page. For this reason I am dropping the mediation, and I urge you to use this in evidence at his arbitration that he is very uncooperative. R e  dwolf24  (talk) 22:23, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

User talk:209.197.131.36
I blocked him for 24 hours; you later did so for 48. I believe that my block, since shorter, would take precedence, but I won't object if you unblock and reblock for 48 hours. Ral 315   WS  02:30, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It's ok, I think we almost blocked at the same time, I don't rally care if it expires in 24 or 48 ;) -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 02:31, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

I would be a sock puppet of "Bogdanov"...
Is it a joke ? Or, more probably, a way to put pressure on me in order to encourage me to keep "silent" ?

Igor lives in France, I live in Switzerland, how could you mistake us ? Our I.P. are completely different, of course... Moreover, on the "Bogdanov affair" talk page, there are a lot of people who know me, some of them personaly, and others just by Internet (mail and forums) : Igor himself, Catherine, LLL, YBM (who gave my complete name on his forum, I can give you the link if interested), Max (whom you put also in the list, while he's one of Bogdanov's worst enemies !), and surely others whom I forget... So please find out about it before accusing me !

Laurence67 10:22, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

 * OK... You didn't answer me, nor did you remove my user name from this ridiculous list... So, I will be more specific : as I wrote on the "Bogdanov Affair" talk page :

 * look at my edits of the 25 september at 12:20 and 12:35, on this page ! Between both, YBM was so kind to write himself, by reverting me at 12:25 : "195.186.234.183 = Laurence67.

 * It seems to me that it should be enough to make obvious I'm not a sock puppet, so please remove me from this list, otherwise I would have to think that this accusation is voluntary disinformation.

 * Laurence67 17:16, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * having different ips is not guarantee of being a different person, as anyone can edit from several different ips. I'm still trying to verify if you're or not. Since your only contributions have been related to Bogdanov affair and that the content you add is exactly the same as Igor, I suspect and therefore tag says "...this user may be..." . It's not an statement of you being the same as Bogdanov, it's a statement of possibility, so no disinformation is happening. I haven't answered since I'm still doing more research on the issue. -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 19:40, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

3RR block on User:YBM
You posted the message regarding the block on his user page. I assume that you meant for it to reach his talk page, so I moved it there. Feel free to revert me if I'm wrong. Cheers, Bratsche talk 23:04, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah I meant talk, I'm sorry. -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 23:28, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

your 3RR blocks don't count for those who are above the rules.
Drini,

you still haven't responded to my information about "the other guy" editing during this "indefinite" period where he was supposedly blocked along with me for 3RR violation. here is what i said to 2 other admins at the arb page

 * ya know, Ral315 and Snowspinner, for the 2nd time i was blocked for 3RR violation along with Igor who was blocked "indefinitely " ', and sat this out for 24 hours, while at the same time Igor just goes and gets another IP and edits the article anyway during the time that we are both "blocked" (during my 24 hours and his "indefinite" period).
 * does this matter to you?  i've never been a 2nd Amendment supporter, but now i understand what they mean when they say "When you take away our guns, only the crooks will be armed because, being crooks, they will not give up their guns voluntarily."  (i'm still not a 2nd Amendment supporter.)
 * you can throw all the 3RR blocks you want. with me they'll stick because i will not edit anonymously nor look around for other IPs to work from, but with Igor, it doesn't matter.  he'll just shrug it off and do what he does anyway since he sees himself as above the rules.  ever wonder how much he's laughing at you? r b-j 01:22, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Sigh, I'm not throwing them to you. I also blocked the other party. If igor gets another p and reverts, somebody else (other than you) will undo him, and if he presists, he gets another block. The point is that nobody is taking out a gun of you, since you don't have guns. Igor doesn't have guns either. He is NOT above the rules -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 01:40, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

BTW, Igor B. has just violated again the 3RR rule on Bogdanov Affair. You can read the relevant par of the discussion about the section Igor reverted on Talk:Bogdanov_Affair/Archive_4 and appreciate Igor's comment to his third revert : "I stand to my position. Look at the talk page (and don't forget, YBM, that you have only 1 revert left". --YBM 02:27, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Characters
I draw your attention to. Uncle G 02:14, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes? -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 02:15, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * You commented on the other two. I thought that you might wish to comment there, as well.  It's on a different per-day page, so you might have overlooked it. Uncle G 03:41, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yah I saw, but I'm not commenting anymore, seems like it will be a keep -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 03:44, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

HumanMandala
Sorry about that. I went into the delete box and then got sidetracked and didn't actually delete it for a minute or so. You must have protected it during that time. Academic Challenger 03:55, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It's ok I was just curious -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 03:56, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

LLL can't post
Hello, I received a message from LLL. I believe you have blocked that user and consequently, LLL cannot post anywhere, neither here nor on the arbitration page as called for by Snowspinner. Can you indicate what LLL can do to respond and offer some explanations ? You may reply on LLL's user page. Thank you. CatherineV 12:27, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It may be a sockpuppet that's what the tag says. It's just an unfortunate coincidence that the account was created at the precise time an edit war was being engaged. -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 20:59, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * However, given that he's one of the involved parties on RFAr (Max Ephysique was not for instance) I'll lift the ban so he can contribute to the RFAr (I missed that point and I apologize) -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 21:06, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Traditional Catholic
Thanks for the help with the revert sillyness there. I apologize, but I put in a 3RR report this morning before I read your block on this person. Dominick 14:15, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but, what's your point? -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 20:59, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Blocked vs Banned
I assume you meant this to be the blocked template? The distinction is confusing enough for our regulars, let's not confuse the newbies too much, even if they are spammers. --fvw *  16:22, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't see much difference, except this makes explictly the blocking time and test5 not, so I reckon this is less confusing. Bue perhaps I'm the confused one, can you explain the difference to me? -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 20:52, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I'm fine with using blocked (apart from not knowing of its existence before I checked after I found your use of banned). My point was that admins only give blocks (a technical measure) whereas bans come from the community as a whole, the arbitration committee, the wikimedia board, etc. and are formal "We don't want you to edit anymore"s. --fvw *  22:23, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, I was thinking you were referring to Test5, I wasn't aware of "blocked", makes more sense, thanks. -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 22:34, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Max.Epiphysique
I have taken the liberty to unblock Max.Epiphysique, who does not seem to be a sockpuppet of Bogdavov, at a first glance; also, several people protested that he is not.

This being said, the page is still under close watch, and users, including of course Max.Epiphysique, who would behave improperly or disturb this already troubled article, can absolutely be blocked.

Cheers ! Rama 19:29, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 20:52, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Elephant Man
Just curious how you read my comments initially (obviously they weren't clear enough). Guettarda 22:57, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh I made a mistake, I thought I had undone myself -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 22:58, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

RfC
Please take a look here.--chris.lawson 03:48, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not getting involved -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 03:58, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * That's OK. Just wanted to give you a heads-up in case you had an opinion.--chris.lawson 04:04, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Dominion of Melchizedek
Hi there, I just was hoping you could go over and make some comments on what is being said on the Talk:Dominion of Melchizedek page. We are trying to gain a consensus and then basically go to other articles on DOM and gain consensus so that the vandalism and false claims stop in those articles. If you'd like, feel free to drop me a line on my talk page. Thanks.. Davidpdx 9/30/05 6:10 (UTC)

Speedy vs Copyvio
Please don't use the summary "speedy" when tagging a copyvio, speedy means an admin can delete inmediately the entry, whereas copyvios not. I know a proposal is being made for speedies to include such cases, but meanwhile help us by using the proper term on the edit summary -- (☺drini♫|☎) 06:27, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry to have caused confusion. At the time that I put in the wrong edit summary, I had just found an unusually large proportion of crap on NP patrol, and writing the summar "speedy" after putting in the proper tag had briefly become automatic. I'll do my best to be more careful in the future. NatusRoma 07:14, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Image talk:Hans Island 001.jpg
I've restored the speedy tag at the Image talk:Hans Island 001.jpg page, because I don't think that reverting to a previous version is necessary in this case. The first (and only) contributor blanked the page himself, probably because he noticed that what he wrote on this talk page had nothing to do there. This was factual information which belongs to Hans Island article, not the image talk page. If you read the article you will see that the info given by the user is incorporated. Besides, images' talk pages are here to talk about the picture, not the article to which it is linked. Before tagging blank pages for SD, I carefully check if the previous version is worth restoring and I don't act blindly. In that case, I think the Speedy Tag was the good choice. Glaurung 07:29, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Who's RfA
Thank you for supporting my masters RfA. He appreciates your support and comments and looks forward to better serving Wikipedia the best he can. Of course I will be doing all of the real work. He would have responded to you directly, but he is currently out of town, and wanted to thank you asap. Thanks again. --Who's mop?¿? 20:55, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

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Charles McCurdy

Charles Albert McCurdy (13 March 1870 – 10 November 1941) was a British Liberal Member of Parliament and minister in the Lloyd George Coalition Government. He was made a member of the Privy Council in 1920.

Background
McCurdy was educated at Loughborough Grammar School and Pembroke College, Cambridge.

Career
He then became a barrister. He was elected Member of Parliament for Northampton, then a two-member constituency, in 1910. He was returned in 1918 when it was reduced to a single-member seat, his former Liberal co-member Hastings Lees-Smith having sought election elsewhere and joined the Labour Party.

Coalition government
He was Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food Control from 1919 to 1920 and then Minister of Food Control in 1920. After the Ministry of Food Control was abolished in April 1921, he was appointed Coalition Liberal Chief Whip (officially 'Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasury') in succession to Frederick Guest. Guest had held the position during the 1918 seat negotiations with the Unionists. Unlike Guest, McCurdy was more concerned with strengthening the Liberals part in the Coalition and took a much tougher line with the Unionists. A junior Unionist whip Robert Sanders, wrote in his diary that McCurdy was "a particularly bad-mannered fellow...the reverse...of Guest". McCurdy favoured a general election in January 1922 and the formation of a Centre Party made up of Liberals, moderate Conservatives and moderate Labour MPs. In March 1922, McCurdy wrote to Lloyd George claiming that one hundred Unionist MPs would defect if a Centre Party was formed. Lloyd George, however, decided to stay with the Coalition. He left office with Lloyd George when the Unionists ended the coalition in October 1922.

Liberal reunion
After the coalition ended, McCurdy favoured Liberal reunion. He was influential in drawing up the Liberals' manifesto for the 1923 general election, moving it further in a free trade direction. However, he was not returned at that election. He died in November 1941, aged 71, a month before his former co-member for Northampton, Hastings Lees-Smith.

McCurdy's niece, Margaret Wingfield, was an influential member of the Liberal Party, and eventually its President.

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Melchiorre Delfico (economist)

Melchiorre Delfico (1 August 1744 – 22 June 1835) was an Italian economist.

Biography
Delfico was born at Teramo, in the Abruzzo (then in the Kingdom of Naples) and was educated at Naples. He devoted himself specially to the study of jurisprudence and political economy, and his numerous publications exercised great practical influence in the correction and extinction of many abuses. Under Joseph Bonaparte Delfico was made a councillor of state, an office which he held until the restoration of Ferdinand IV, when he was appointed president of the commission of archives, from which he retired in 1825.

Melchiorre Delfico died at Teramo in 1835. His nephew was the caricaturist Melchiorre Delfico.

Works
His most important works include:
 * Saggio filosofico sul matrimonio (1774)
 * Memoria sul Tribunale della Grascia e sulle leggi economiche nelle provincie confinanti del regno (1785), which led to the abolition in Naples of the most vexatious and absurd restrictions on the sale and exportation of agricultural produce.
 *  Riflessioni su la vendita dei feudi (1790) and Lettera a Sua Ecc. sig. Duca di Cantalupo which brought about the abolition of feudal rights over landed property and their sale
 * Ricerche sul vero carattere della giurisprudenza Romana e dei suoi cultori (1791) and Pensieri sulla Istoria e su l'incertezza ed inutilità della medesima (1806), both on the early history of Rome.

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User talk:WCX/Drachaeanstream

Well this is very gay...we can't seem to make more than 10 posts per thread on our forums...we need to figure out something about that cause 10 posts is like nothing. Anyways if you guys need help getting to know wikipedia you can use the links on the left =P--WCX 02:14, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

level 30 rank
Templar?
 * Wasn't sure if that was what we decided on, we still need a test of some kind for it--WCX 02:39, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Krauss' Comments
Also, we're losing our High-levels like no tomorrow. Need some way to keep them or figure out wtf we are really doing.
 * Well i am hoping the new guild direction of a kind of casual raid guild goes towards dealing with that--WCX 02:45, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Keep swearing to a minimum (Swearing is ok WITHIN TASTE likes jokes.  If you want to say a curse word out of frustration in gchat, keep it sensible)

if an officer tells you to take a discussion to whisper, then do so at once (Period)

no harasing other players (No tolerance on this one. There is a big difference in joking and being serious and we can tell.)

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Deividas Česnauskis

Deividas Česnauskis (born 30 June 1981) is a Lithuanian former professional footballer who played as a winger. He made 63 FIFA-official appearances for the Lithuanian national team scoring four goals.

Early career
Česnauskis was born in Kuršėnai, Lithuanian SSR. He started his career as a teenage prodigy with Ekranas Panevėžys.

In Russia
Česnauskis earned a move to the Russian Premier League before his nineteenth birthday, when he joined Dynamo Moscow in 2000. In three years playing for Dynamo, he earned 80 caps across all competitions and scored six goals for the club. Česnauskis then joined city rivals Lokomotiv Moscow for the 2004 Russian Premier League. At the end of the season, he won the Russian championship title with Lokomotiv.

Heart of Midlothian
Česnauskis agreed a transfer to Scotland with Heart of Midlothian in 2005. The terms of this deal involved him signing for FBK Kaunas and being immediately loaned to the Edinburgh side for three seasons. He made his Hearts debut against Kilmarnock in the Scottish Cup, scoring the final goal in a 3–1 victory. His second goal for Hearts also came in the Scottish Cup, but it did not prevent his team for losing against Celtic in the semi-final.

In his second season at Hearts he helped the team to win the Scottish Cup by scoring the winning goal in a quarter-final 2–1 win against Partick Thistle. In the same match where Roman Bednar got sent off for diving in the second-half 15 minutes after coming on as a sub. In the final Česnauskis conceded a penalty from which Gretna were able to equalise and make it 1-1. However Hearts went on to win the match on penalties.

Since November 2006, Česnauskis did not play for Hearts over a year due to injuries or simply not being picked, and only played two matches for the Lithuanian national team. He finally made his comeback for Hearts in January 2008 in an away match against Dundee United, and soon after was voted Man of the match in his return to Tynecastle in a 1–1 draw against Kilmarnock. He scored his fourth Hearts goal, and his fourth in the Scottish Cup, against Motherwell on 12 January 2008. He scored his first league goal for Hearts in a 2–1 defeat to Falkirk on 5 May 2008.

On 26 February 2009, Česnauskis said he would leave Hearts in the summer unless he was given first team football before the end of the season, having started just two matches. On 27 April, it was confirmed with immediate effect that Česnauskis and his fellow Lithuanian teammate Saulius Mikoliūnas, left Hearts.

In Greece
On 9 June 2009, Česnauskis signed a two-year contract with Ergotelis After one season at the club from Heraklion, he signed a three-year contract with another Greek club, Aris, on 7 June 2010.

FC Baku
In June 2011 Česnauskis signed a two-year contract with Azerbaijan Premier League side FC Baku. In 2012, he won the Azerbaijan Cup with his team. Česnauskis was released by FC Baku at the end of the 2012–13 season after scoring eight goals in 52 appearances for the club. However, on 1 July 2013, Česnauskis signed a new contract with Baku.

FK Trakai
In 2014, he moved back to his home country and joined FK Trakai. With Trakai, he finished runners-up in the 2015 and 2016 A Lyga seasons and reached the final of the Lithuanian Football Cup in 2016, in which his team lost 0–1 against FK Žalgiris after extra time. At the end of the 2018 season, he retired from professional football.

International career
Česnauskis made eight appearances for the Lithuanian under-21 side. He made his debut for the full national team aged 20, on 4 July 2001 against Estonia.

Until 2016, he earned 56 caps for his country, scoring four goals.

Post-retirement
In November 2018, Lithuanian first division team FK Žalgiris announced Česnauskis as their new sporting director, alongside fellow former Lithuanian national Deividas Šemberas. In January 2020, the club announced that the contract with Česnauskis has been terminated by mutual consent.

Since 2021, he has worked as a football agent and has his own agency called DC7 Agency.

Personal life
His younger brother, Edgaras, is also a former professional footballer.

International

 * Scores and results list Lithuania's goal tally first, score column indicates score after each Česnauskis goal.

Honours
Lokomotiv Moscow
 * Russian Premier League: 2004

Hearts of Midlothian
 * Scottish Cup: 2005–06

Baku
 * Azerbaijan Cup: 2011–12

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Talk:Rajput/Archive 8

Andrew G. Bostom
The American Thinker The Legacy of Jihad in India July 2nd, 2005

The phenomenon of modern Islamic terrorism has forged an inchoate strategic alliance between the Israeli and Indian governments, while heightening the awareness of a common threat—the institution of jihad—among the civilian populations of these nations.

Rarely understood, let alone acknowledged, however, is the history of brutal jihad conquest, Muslim colonization, and the imposition of dhimmitude shared by the Jews of historical Palestine, and the Hindus of the Indian subcontinent. Moreover, both peoples and nations also have in common, a subsequent, albeit much briefer British colonial legacy, which despite its own abuses, abrogated the system of dhimmitude (permanently for Israel and India, if not, sadly, for their contemporary Muslim neighboring states), and created the nascent institutions upon which thriving democratic societies have been constructed. Sir Jadunath Sarkar (d. 1958), the preeminent historian of Mughal India, wrote with admiration in 1950 of what the Jews of Palestine had accomplished once liberated from the yoke of dhimmitude. The implication was clear that he harbored similar hopes for his own people.

Palestine, the holy land of the Jews, Christians and Islamites, had been turned into a desert haunted by ignorant poor diseased vermin rather than by human beings, as the result of six centuries of Muslim rule. (See Kinglake's graphic description). Today Jewish rule has made this desert bloom into a garden, miles of sandy waste have been turned into smiling orchards of orange and citron, the chemical resources of the Dead Sea are being extracted and sold, and all the amenities of the modern civilised life have been made available in this little Oriental country. Wise Arabs are eager to go there from the countries ruled by the Shariat. This is the lesson for the living history. [1]

Earlier, I reviewed at length the legacy of Muslim jihad conquest and imposition of the Shari’a in historical Palestine. The current essay provides a schematic overview of the same phenomena in India, focusing on the major periods of Muslim conquest, colonization, and rule.

A Millennium of Jihad and Dhimmitude on the Indian Subcontinent

The 570 year period between the initial Arab Muslim razzias (ordered by Caliph Umar) to pillage Thana (on the West Indian coast near Maharashtra) in 636-637 C.E., and the establishment of the Delhi Sultanate (under Qutub-ud-din Aibak, a Turkish slave soldier), can be divided into four major epochs: (I) the conflict between the Arab invaders and the (primarily) Hindu resisters on the Western coast of India from 636-713 C.E.; (II) the Arab and Turkish Muslim onslaughts against the kingdom of Hindu Afghanistan during 636-870 C.E.; (III) repeated Turkish efforts to subdue the Punjab from 870 C.E. to 1030 C.E. C.E. highlighted by the devastating campaigns of Mahmud of Ghazni (from 1000- 1030 C.E.); and finally (IV) Muhammad Ghauri’s conquest of northwestern India and the Gangetic valley between 1175 and 1206 C.E. [2]

This summary chronology necessarily overlooks the very determined and successful resistance that was offered by the Hindus to both the Arab (in particular) and Turkish invaders, for almost four centuries. For example, despite the rapidity of Mahmud of Ghazni’s conquests—spurred by shock-tactics and the religious zealotry of Islamic jihad—his successors, for almost 150 years, could not extend their domain beyond the Punjab frontiers. Even after the establishment of the Delhi Sultanate (1206-1526), and the later Mughal Empire (1526-1707), Muslim rulers failed to Islamize large swaths of Indian territory, and most of the populace. [3] The first Mughal Emperor, Babur (1483-1530), made these relevant observations upon establishing his rule in India: [4]

[Hindustan] is a different world…once the water of Sindh is crossed, everything is in the Hindustan way- land, water, tree, rock, people, and horde, opinion and custom…Most of the inhabitants of Hindustan are pagans; they call a pagan a Hindu.

Buddhist civilization within India, in stark contrast, proved far less resilient. Vincent Smith has described the devastating impact of the late 12th century jihad razzias against the Buddhist communities of northern India, centered around Bihar, based on Muslim sources, exclusively: [5]

The Muhammadan historian, indifferent to distinctions among idolators, states that the majority of the inhabitants were “clean shaven Brahmans”, who were all put to the sword. He evidently means Buddhist monks, as he was informed that the whole city and fortress were considered to be a college, which the name Bihar signifies. A great library was scattered. When the victors desired to know what the books might be no man capable of explaining their contents had been left alive. No doubt everything was burnt. The multitude of images used in Medieval Buddhist worship always inflamed the fanaticism of Muslim warriors to such fury that no quarter was given to the idolators. The ashes of the Buddhist sanctuaries at Sarnath near Benares still bear witness to the rage of the image breakers. Many noble monuments of the ancient civilization of India were irretrievably wrecked in the course of the early Muhammadan invasions. Those invasions were fatal to the existence of Buddhism as an organized religion in northern India, where its strength resided chiefly in Bihar and certain adjoining territories. The monks who escaped massacre fled, and were scattered over Nepal, Tibet, and the south. After A.D. 1200 the traces of Buddhism in upper India are faint and obscure.

Three major waves of jihad campaigns (exclusive of the jihad conquest of Afghanistan) which succeeded, ultimately, in establishing a permanent Muslim dominion within India, i.e., the Delhi Sultanate, are summarized in the following discussion. The imposition of dhimmitude upon the vanquished Hindu populations is also characterized, in brief.

The Muslim chroniclers al-Baladhuri (in Kitab Futuh al-Buldan) and al-Kufi (in the Chachnama) include enough isolated details to establish the overall nature of the conquest of Sindh by Muhammad b. Qasim in 712 C.E. [6] These narratives, and the processes they describe, make clear that the Arab invaders intended from the outset to Islamize Sindh by conquest, colonization, and local conversion. Baladhuri, for example, records that following the capture of Debal, Muhammad b. Qasim earmarked a section of the city exclusively for Muslims, constructed a mosque, and established four thousand colonists there. [7] The conquest of Debal had been a brutal affair, as summarized from the Muslim sources by Majumdar. [8]

Despite appeals for mercy from the besieged Indians (who opened their gates after the Muslims scaled the fort walls), Muhammad b. Qasim declared that he had no orders (i.e., from his superior al-Hajjaj, the Governor of Iraq) to spare the inhabitants, and thus for three days a ruthless and indiscriminate slaughter ensued. In the aftermath, the local temple was defiled, and “700 beautiful females who had sought for shelter there, were all captured”. The capture of Raor was accompanied by a similar tragic outcome. [9]

Muhammad massacred 6000 fighting men who were found in the fort, and their followers and dependents, as well as their women and children were taken prisoners. Sixty thousand slaves, including 30 young ladies of royal blood, were sent to Hajjaj, along with the head of Dahar [the Hindu ruler]. We can now well understand why the capture of a fort by the Muslim forces was followed by the terrible jauhar ceremony (in which females threw themselves in fire kindled by themselves), the earliest recorded instance of which is found in the Chachnama.

Practical, expedient considerations lead Muhammad to desist from carrying out the strict injunctions of Islamic Law [10] and the wishes of al-Hajjaj [11] by massacring the (pagan) infidel Hindus of Sindh. Instead, he imposed upon the vanquished Hindus the jizya and associated restrictive regulations of dhimmitude. As a result, the Chachnama records, “some [Hindus] resolved to live in their native land, but others took flight in order to maintain the faith of their ancestors, and their horses, domestics, and other property” [12] Thus a lasting pattern was set that would persist, as noted by Majumdar, until the Mughal Empire collapsed at the end of Aurangzeb’s reign (in 1707), [13]

…of Muslim policy towards the subject Hindus in subsequent ages. Something no doubt depended upon individual rulers; some of them adopted a more liberal, others a more cruel and intolerant attitude. But on the whole the framework remained intact, for it was based on the fundamental principle of Islamic theocracy. It recognized only one faith, one people, and one supreme authority, acting as the head of a religious trust. The Hindus, being infidels or non-believers, could not claim the full rights of citizens. At the very best, they could be tolerated as dhimmis, an insulting title which connoted political inferiority…The Islamic State regarded all non-Muslims as enemies, to curb whose growth in power was conceived to be its main interest. The ideal preached by even high officials was to exterminate them totally, but in actual practice they seem to have followed an alternative laid down in the Qur’an [i.e., Q9:29] which calls upon Muslims to fight the unbelievers till they pay the jizya with due humility. This was the tax the Hindus had to pay for permission to live in their ancestral homes under a Muslim ruler.

Mahmud of Ghazni, according to the British historian Sir Henry Elliot, launched some seventeen jihad campaigns into India between 1000 and his death in 1030 C.E. [14] Utbi, Mahmud’s court historian, viewed these expeditions to India as a jihad to propagate Islam and extirpate idolatry. [15] K.S. Lal illustrates this religious zeal to Islamize by force, as manifested during a 23 year period between 1000 and 1023 C.E.: [16]

In his first attack of frontier towns in C.E. 1000 Mahmud appointed his own governors and converted some inhabitants. In his attack on Waihind (Peshawar) in 1001-3, Mahmud is reported to have captured the Hindu Shahiya King Jayapal and fifteen of his principal chiefs and relations some of whom like Sukhpal, were made Musalmans. At Bhera all the inhabitants, except those who embraced Islam, were put to the sword. At Multan too conversions took place in large numbers, for writing about the campaign against Nawasa Shah (converted Sukhpal), Utbi says that this and the previous victory (at Multan) were “witnesses to his exalted state of proselytism.” In his campaign in the Kashmir Valley (1015) Mahmud “converted many infidels to Muhammadanism, and having spread Islam in that country, returned to Ghazni.” In the later campaign in Mathura, Baran and Kanauj, again, many conversions took place. While describing “the conquest of Kanauj,” Utbi sums up the situation thus: “The Sultan levelled to the ground every fort… and the inhabitants of them either accepted Islam, or took up arms against him.” In short, those who submitted were also converted to Islam. In Baran (Bulandshahr) alone 10,000 persons were converted including the Raja. During his fourteenth invasion in 1023 C.E. Kirat, Nur, Lohkot and Lahore were attacked. The chief of Kirat accepted Islam, and many people followed his example.

These continuous jihad campaigns were accompanied by great destruction and acts of wanton cruelty. Utbi describes the slaughter which transpired during the attacks on Thanesar and Sirsawa:

The chief of Thanesar was…obstinate in his infidelity and denial of Allah, so the Sultan marched against him with his valiant warriors for the purpose of planting the standards of Islam and extirpating idolatry… The blood of the infidels flowed so copiously that the stream was discoloured, and people were unable to drink it… Praise be to Allah… for the honour he bestows upon Islam and Musalmans. [17] [at Sirsawa] The Sultan summoned the most religiously disposed of his followers, and ordered them to attack the enemy immediately. Many infidels were consequently slain or taken prisoners in this sudden attack, and the Musalmans paid no regard to the booty till they had satiated themselves with the slaughter of the infidels… The friends of Allah searched the bodies of the slain for three whole days, in order to obtain booty [18]

Mahmud’s final well-known expedition in Hindustan, to Somanath in 1025 C.E., was similarly brutal, and destructive:

Mahmud captured the place [Somanath] without much difficulty and ordered a general slaughter in which more than 50,000 persons are said to have perished. The idol of Somanath was broken to pieces which were sent to Ghazni, Mecca, and Medina and cast in streets and the staircases of chief mosques to be trodden by the Muslims going there for their prayers [19]

Over 900 years apart, remarkably concordant assessments of Mahmud’s devastating exploits have been written by the renowned 11th century Muslim scholar Alberuni (a counselor to Mahmud), and the contemporary Indian historian A.L. Srivastava. First Alberuni, from about 1030 C.E.: [20]

Mahmud utterly ruined the prosperity of the country…by which the Hindus became like atoms of dust scattered in all directions, and like a tale of old in the mouth of the people. Their scattered remains cherish of course the most inveterate aversion towards all Muslims. This is the reason too why Hindu sciences have retired far away from those parts of the country conquered by us, and have fled to places which our hand cannot yet reach, to Kashmir, Benares, and other places.

Srivastava in 1950, wrote: [21]

To the Indian world of his day Mahmud was a veritable devil incarnate- a daring bandit, an avaricious plunderer, and wanton destroyer of Art. He plundered many dozens of…flourishing cities; he razed to the ground great temples which were wonderful works of art; he carried thousands of innocent women and children into slavery; he indulged in wanton massacre practically everywhere he went; and…he forcibly converted hundred of…unwilling people to Islam. A conqueror who leaves behind desolate towns and villages and dead bodies of innocent human beings cannot be remembered by posterity by any other title.

K.S. Lal believes that by the late 12th century, Muhammad Ghauri was consummately prepared for the conquest and rule of India. Well-elaborated theological justifications for jihad, and comprehensive writings on India’s geography and sociopolitical culture were readily available to him, complementing his powerful army of Turks, Persians, and Afghans.

He now possessed Alberuni’s India and Burhanuddin’s Hidayah, works which were not available to his predecessor invader. Alberuni’s enecyclopedic work provided to the Islamic world in the eleventh century all that was militarily advantageous to know about India. Equally important was the Hidayah, the most authentic work on the laws of Islam compiled by Shaikh Burhanuddin Ali in the twelfth century. These and similar works, and the military manuals like the Siyasat Nama and Adab-ul-Harb, made the Ghauris and their successors better equipped for the conquest and governance of non-Muslim India. There need be no doubt that such works were made available, meticulously studied and constantly referred to by scholars attached to the courts of Muslim conquerors and kings. [22]

Muhammad Ghauri launched his first expeditions against Multan and Gujarat (in 1175 and 1178 C.E., respectively). By 1191-92 C.E., following Ghauri’s defeat of a Rajput confederation under Prithviraj Chauhan (and Prithviraj Chauhan’s death),

Sirsuti, Samana, Kuhram, and Hansi were captured in quick succession with ruthless slaughter and a general destruction of temples, and their replacement by mosques. The Sultan then proceeded to Ajmer which too witnessed similar scenes. In Delhi an army of occupation was stationed at Indraprastha under the command of Qutub-ud-din Aibak who was to act as Ghauri’s lieutenant in Hindustan. Later on Aibak became the first Sultan of Delhi [23]

Qutub-ud-din Aibak’s accession in 1206 (consistent with Muhammad Ghauri’s desires and plans), marks the founding of the Delhi Sultanate.

Finally, the imposition of Islamic law upon the Hindu populations of India, i.e., their relegation to dhimmi status, beginning with the advent of Muslim rule in 8th century Sindh, had predictable consequences during both the Delhi Sultanate period (1206-1526 C.E.), and the Mughal Empire (1526-1707 C.E.). A.L. Srivastava highlights these germane features of Hindu status during the Delhi Sultanate: [24]

Throughout the period of the Sultanate of Delhi, Islam was the religion of the State. It was considered to be the duty of the Sultan and his government to defend and uphold the principles of this religion and to propagate them among the masses…even the most enlightened among them [the Sultans], like Muhammad bin Tughlaq, upheld the principles of their faith and refused permission to repair Hindu (or Buddhist) temples…Thus even during the reign of the so-called liberal-minded Sultans, the Hindus had no permission to build new temples or to repair old ones. Throughout the period, they were known as dhimmis, that is, people living under guarantee, and the guarantee was that they would enjoy restricted freedom in following their religion if they paid the jizya. The dhimmis were not to celebrate their religious rites openly…and never to do any propaganda on behalf of their religion. A number of disabilities were imposed upon them in matters of State employment and enjoyment of civic rights…It was a practice with the Sultans to destroy the Hindu temples and images therein. Firoz Tughlaq and Sikander Lodi prohibited Hindus from bathing at the ghats [river bank steps for ritual bathers] in the sacred rivers, and encouraged them in every possible way to embrace the Muslim religion. The converts were exempted from the jizya and given posts in the State service and even granted rewards in cash, or by grant of land. In short, there was not only no real freedom for the Hindus to follow their religion, but the state followed a policy of intolerance and persecution. The contemporary Muslim chronicles abound in detailed descriptions of desecration of images and destruction of temples and of the conversion of hundreds and thousands of the Hindus. [Hindu] religious buildings and places bear witness to the iconoclastic zeal of the Sultans and their followers. One has only to visit Ajmer, Mathura, Ayodhya, Banaras and other holy cities to see the half broken temples and images of those times with their heads, faces, hands and feet defaced and demolished.

Majumdar sees a continuum between the Delhi Sultanate and the subsequent Mughal Empire, regarding the status of the Hindus: [25]

So far as the Hindus were concerned, there was no improvement either in their material and moral conditions or in their relations with the Muslims. With the sole exception of Akbar, who sought to conciliate the Hindus by removing some of the glaring evils to which they were subjected, almost all other Mughal Emperors were notorious for their religious bigotry. The Muslim law which imposed many disabilities and indignities upon the Hindus…and thereby definitely gave them an inferior social and political status, as compared to the Muslims, was followed by these Mughal Emperors (and other Muslim rulers) with as much zeal as was displayed by their predecessors, the Sultans of Delhi. The climax was reached during the reign of Aurangzeb, who deliberately pursued the policy of destroying and desecrating Hindu temples and idols with a thoroughness unknown before or since.

Majumdar also makes this interesting juxtaposition of Hindu cultural advancement under the lengthy period of Muslim colonial rule, compared to the much shorter interval of British colonial rule: [26]

Judged by a similar standard, the patronage and cultivation of Hindu learning by the Muslims, or their contribution to the development of Hindu culture during their rule…pales into insignificance when compared with the achievements of the British rule…It is only by instituting such comparison that we can make an objective study of the condition of the Hindus under Muslim rule, and view it in its true perspective.

Andrew Bostom is an Associate Professor of Medicine, and the author of the forthcoming The Legacy of Jihad on Prometheus Books (2005).

Notes

[1] Jadunath Sarkar “The Condition of Hindus under Muslim Rule”, The Hindusthan Standard, Calcutta, Puja Annual (Deepavali special) 1950. [2] A.L. Srivastava. “A Survey of India’s Resistance to Medieval Invaders from the North-West: Causes of Eventual Hindu Defeat”, Journal of Indian History, 1965, pp. 349-350. [3] A.L. Srivastava., The Sultanate of Delhi (711-1526 A.D.), Agra, 1950, p.127; R.C. Majumdar (editor). The History and Culture of the Indian People, Vol. 6, The Sultanate of Delhi, Bombay, 1960, p.xxiii, states, for example, with regard to the Delhi Sultanate:

The popular notion that after the conquest of Muhammad Ghauri, India formed a Muslim Empire under various dynasties, is hardly borne out by facts…barring the two very short lived empires under the Khaljis and Muhammad bin Tughlaq which lasted respectively, for less than twenty and ten years, there was no Turkish empire of India. The Delhi Sultanate, as the symbol of this empire, continued in name throughout the period under review [i.e., 1206-1526] but, gradually shorn of power and prestige, it was reduced to a phantom by the invasion of Timur at the end of the fourteenth century A.D.

For discussions of the limits of the Mughal Empire, see: A.L. Srivastava.,The History of India (1000 A.D- 1707 A.D.), Agra, 1964, pp. 674-676; and K.S. Lal. Indian Muslims-Who Are They? , New Delhi, 1990, pp. 122-123, 127, 136-137. [4] Baburnama. Translated by A.S. Beveridge, Lahore, Sangmeel Publications (reprint), 1976, pp. 484,518. [5] Vincent Smith, The Oxford History of India, Oxford, 1928, p. 221. [6] Al-Baladhuri. The Origins of the Islamic State (Kitab Futuh Al-Buldan). Part II, Translated by F.C. Murgotten, New York, Columbia University, 1924, pp. 217-224; Al-Kufi. The Chachnama, excerpts translated in H.M. Elliot and J. Dowson. A History of India As Told By Its Own Historians-The Muhammadan Period, 1867-1877 (reprinted 2001, Delhi), Vol. 1, pp. 157-211. [7] Al-Baladhuri. The Origins of the Islamic State, Part II, p. 218. [8] R.C. Majumdar (editor). The History and Culture of the Indian People, Vol. 3, The Classical Age, Bombay, 1954, p. 458. [9] Majumdar, The Classical Age, pp. 458-459. [10] From a translation of Ziauddin Barani's Fatawa-i Jahandari, circa, 1358-9 C.E., in Mohammad Habib. The political theory of the Delhi sultanate., Allahabad, Kitab Mahal, 1961, pp. 46-47. [11] Chachnama, Elliot and Dowson, pp. 173-174. [12] Majumdar, The Classical Age, pp. 460. [13] Majumdar, The Classical Age, pp. 461-462. [14] Elliot and Dowson, Vol. II, Appendix Note D, pp. 434-484. [15] Srivastava. The Sultanate of Delhi, p. 52. [16] K.S. Lal. The Legacy of Muslim Rule in India, New Delhi, Aditya Prakashan, 1992, pp. 96-97 [17] Elliot and Dowson, Vol. II, 40-41. [18] Elliot and Dowson, Vol. II, 49. [19] Srivastava. The Sultanate of Delhi, p. 59. [20] Alberuni. Alberuni’s India- An Account of the Religion, Philosophy, Literature, Geography, Chronology, Astronomy, Customs, Laws, and Astrology of India (about 1030 C.E), Edited by E.C. Sachau, 1888 (reprinted New Delhi, 1993), p. 22. [21] Srivastava. The Sultanate of Delhi, p. 61-62. [22] K.S. Lal. Theory and Practice of Muslim State in India, New Delhi, Aditya Prakashan, 1999, pp.20-21. [23] Lal. Muslim State in India, p. 21 [24] Srivastava. The Sultanate of Delhi, pp. 304-305. [25] R.C. Majumdar (editor) The Mughul Empire, Bombay, 1974, p. xi. [26] Majumdar Vol. 6, The Sultanate of Delhi, p. 623 Andrew G. Bostom

To Shiv
Sometimes talking to you becomes quite interesting. Well you said that Rajputs did fight to uphold their religion, then why did they bow their heads to Akbar? Why did they marry their daughters to him and his son? Can you please explain? You very tactfully avoided answering this question. Why? To you the whole Rajput history is fighting against Islam. What about when they fought Alexander? Was that for the sake and defence of religion too? Why didn't they fight Ashoka? He was no Hindu. And I don't know what Sikhs are you talking about. I don't know of any sikh who worships idols. It is not sikhism (Please read the information provided in this encyclopedia).

You said that you can trace your lineage back to hunderds of years, I can trace it back to more than thousand and it is a complete written document with major events recorded. About my family's embracing Islam, I have already mentioned that my forefathers were converted by Muslim saint and not by any ruler. It is quite interesting that you say that the Rajputs were converted to Islam by force and cann't explain why other Rajputs were not able to re-convert them back to Hinduism? You chose to be personal rather than judging the truth of your argument (a Rajput behavior I presume).

Remember, a true historian interprets the incidents of the past without any bias and draw his conclusions. An argument is only accepted to be true if it is supported by all the known occurences of an event. I am here not to defend the deeds of Mahmud Ghauri or those of any ruler. My sole point is that being a Rajput is only a matter of who your father is and nothing more. Please let it be as simple and don't create an hype about them being some kind of religious warriors. Fighting for one's kingdom is quite natural and I don't see any bad in it. None of the rulers of India did fight for the sake of their religion, be it Hindu or Muslim. They all fought for their own kingdoms like kings did anywhere else in the world. If you insist upon your argument, then please show some courage and tell me why did your ancestors opt to live while their brothers were being forced to convert? The problem grows in magnitude when we see that those people kept living in the same area for many centuries.

The only thing that one can conclude from your posts is that you hate anything that has to do anything with Islam. It is absolutely all right for me but I have a question for you. If Rajupts fought for keeping India a Hindu country, why don't they fight to make Hinduism India's official religion? Remember, being secular means India is as much Hindu as it is Muslim. Didn't the Rajputs then (in your view) lost the holy war in their own home?

To answer another question of yours, how many people believe that by losing tiger, India will lose an important part of itself? Same is the case why many people do believe in Islam and many don't. It is all how you look at it. My advice to you again, please be truthful. History of Rajput is not done. It is still being written. Every breath you take and every move you make, you are contributing to that history. Your acts and deeds affect that history. Don't think that all the glory is gone with those who have passed before you. The challenge is to learn from their mistakes and improve on that and the first step of learning from a mistake starts by admiting it. Rajput history has not always been like the way you/I would like it to be but we have our chance to make it like that.

Khurram

Khurram, I AM WRITING THIS IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE SMALL CASE IS HARD FOR YOU TO COMPREHEND. READ THIS AND THEN WE WILL TALK. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajput#Battles_between_Rajputs_and_Muslims

-Shivraj

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The Park School of Buffalo

The Park School of Buffalo is a private, co-educational, college preparatory school located in Amherst, New York (north of Buffalo). Founded in 1912 during the American country day school movement, the institution features lower, middle, and upper schools, serving roughly 290 students from Pre-Kindergarten through grade 12.

History
Originally located in downtown Buffalo, The Park School was founded in 1912 by a group of Buffalo parents seeking an alternative to the existing pre-preparatory institutions in the area. The group consulted with John Dewey and observed one of his students, Mary Hammett Lewis of Columbia University, then an instructor at the prestigious Horace Mann School in New York City.

Lewis was invited to Buffalo to become the founding headmistress. She later wrote a book, An Adventure with Children, describing her experiences at the school. As the student body grew, it was decided that an upper preparatory school should be added. Originally for girls, the upper school began accepting boys in the early 1930s, then offering the only private, co-educational experience in the Buffalo area.

Campus
In 1920, Chauncey Hamlin, a prominent Buffalonian, President of the American Association of Museums and founder of the Buffalo Museum of Science, offered his estate to the Park School Board, which arranged for its purchase. The estate, in Snyder, had a large mansion, farmhouse, barn, small forest, orchard and pond, and a stone house at the entrance. Two of the original buildings constructed in the late 19th century, and one historic building that was a part of the Underground Railroad in the early 19th century, are still used by the school.

The most notable of these buildings remains Hamlin Hall, where most of the Upper School classes are held. Additional buildings include Chapin Hall, Kimball Hall, Stone Hall, The Rich Family Activity Center, Helen Long Building, the Clement Gymnasium, Preston L. Wright Greenhouse and a newly constructed (2009) dining hall, as well as a pool and tennis courts.

In January 2016, it was announced that the school had retained CannonDesign as architect for the Knopp-Hailpern Science Center, the first new building constructed on campus in 11 years. The building, which may be between 8,500 square feet and 10,000 square feet, is named after the late Dr. Jacky Knopp and Dr. Raoul Hailpern, two mathematics teachers and educators who worked not only at Park, but also at the University at Buffalo and Canisius College. The building is proposed to be nestled between Stone and Hamlin Halls just off the "circle" in the middle of the 34-acre campus. Park indicated that it is within $416,000 of the $4 million goal to cover the center's development and construction costs. Groundbreaking began in 2017.

Faculty
The current interim head of school and principal is Lisa Conrad,the first woman appointed to lead the Park School of Buffalo since Leslie Leland was appointed headmistress in 1925. Conrad, a New York State Certified teacher, holds a master's degree in adolescent education (7-12) and a bachelor's degree in Spanish education, both from SUNY University at Buffalo. She was the dean of the Middle School and has also held positions in the admissions and enrollment department. Administration includes the director of admissions, Marnie Cerrato, and the director of athletics, Marcus Hutchins.

Traditions
Students at the school continue to engage in a variety of school traditions, many of them as old as the school itself. A Thanksgiving Feast is held annually, during which students and faculty from all three schools (Lower, Middle and Upper) assemble in the refectory for a traditional dinner and accompanying festivities. The feast is traditionally prepared by the Upper School graduating class, and is often attended by parents, grandparents and alumni. Country Fair, held each fall since the 1930s, is an old-fashioned fair with games and food for families, including the favorite "lemons with peppermint sticks" sold by the senior class. Another notable, though somewhat younger tradition, is the Orange and Brown competition. Each newly admitted student is randomly assigned to a team representing one of the school's colors. The teams compete throughout the year, accruing points through a variety of athletic and academic events, with the annual winning color inscribed on a trophy. One of the competitions between the Orange and Brown teams is Winter Carnival. For half a day the high school goes outside and they compete in different activities. The last activity is always a relay race, then there is a group hug between the whole high school.

School hymn
The Park School Hymn, written in 1930, is traditionally sung at school gatherings and events. The lyrics are as follows:
 * "Park School, we sing to thee, songs thou hast taught our eager youth.
 * Hearts filled with love and loyalty, we give to follow in thy truth.
 * We have striven at thy side, searched for heights at thy behest;
 * there were no winds we did not ride, in seeking life in gallant quest.
 * Park School, oh hear our song, born of joy and knowledge free.
 * Fulfillment that we sought for so long, we ever attain-ed here in thee."

Clubs and student organizations
The Upper School is notable for the degree to which the student body is involved in administrative and decision-making processes. There is an active Student Government organization, which annually elects a voting representative to the school's Board of Trustees. The Ecology Club, Mock Trial organization and Model UN Club are all popular among students. The Buffalo Rapids of the American Basketball Association played home games at the school from November 2005 to February 2006.

Park School summer camp
Each summer the school runs a summer day camp that is open to Park students and non-Park students from throughout the Greater Buffalo region. The school also offers annual soccer and basketball camps for boys and girls ages 8–14.

Investigation into past teacher abuse
On 27 April 2018, Park announced that it had retained legal counsel to conduct an investigation into allegations of past teacher abuse. The school released the report to the public on 7 December 2018.

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Sacramento RiverTrain

The Sacramento River Fox Train, formerly the Yolo Shortline Railroad Company, is a common carrier railroad company that runs special excursions within West Sacramento, California.

They run libation excursions, family-friendly holiday excursions, and also operate the Sacramento Railbikes. Their most popular excursions are the Beer Train, Old Vine Express wine tasting train, and the Magical Christmas Train.

The River Fox Train is owned by Sierra Railroad and operates under the Sierra Northern Railway now. It has one section of track that is 16 mi long.

The route was originally a branch line of the Sacramento Northern Railroad, a Western Pacific Railroad subsidiary.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Knunder (2nd nomination)

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. — J I P | Talk 05:30, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Knunder
This article was speedily deleted several times (see Special:Undelete/Knunder, relevant parts available to all editors), but undeleted as not-a-speedy by VfU. So it comes here instead for a full investigation. No comment from me. (PS: I have arbitrarily reverted to what I think is a version the authors would want you to see: the later versions are recreations of protestations.) -Splash talk 02:17, 3 October 2005 (UTC) Anyway, this bet I'm having is going pretty well, and I like to thank people for going on the site and (possibly) using the word occasionally. Perhaps one day, this article will exist, and it will tell the story about how I managed to force a word into the language. It'll be quite a story to tell in years to come. I'm going to ask politely if you would like to keep this "nonsense neologism" on Wikipedia. I know it won't help me in any way, shape or form, but it'll be proof that the word is being recognised. Proof that it is being used. I shall leave now, and await what the future of knunder looks like on this wiki. Thank you. -- Friz
 * Delete the random neologism. Pilatus 02:50, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - Non-verifiable, since the page linked in the article indicates someone made up the word as part of a bet to get it in the dictionary. And WP:NOT/ a dictionary or usage guide --Mysidia (talk) 02:54, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete neologism, not a disctionary, no notable phenom. associated with it, basicly non notable. - brenneman (t) (c)  02:59, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * This is a dictionary article about a protologism. (It does not satisfy Wiktionary's criteria for inclusion because it is not attested independently of its source, by the way.)  Wikipedia is not a dictionary (WP:WINAD) and is not a promotional vehicle (WP:NOT) for publicizing newly invented words (WP:NOR) so that as a consequence they enter widespread use, they get into dictionaries, and one can win a bet with one's teacher.  In any case:  Any encyclopaedia article content about the concept that this protologism is purported to describe would have a natural home in table (furniture); and any encyclopaedia article content about the process of getting words into the Oxford English Dictionary belongs in Oxford English Dictionary.  Delete.  Uncle G 03:38, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete this protologism, and protect the space if necessary to prevent re-creation. --Angr/undefined 05:19, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete it good! Dicdef and I can't see it changing. —Felix the Cassowary ( ɑe hɪː jɐ ) 05:41, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, it's not encyclopedic, but do list it on the bad jokes page, the "safety in knunders" pun deserves to live on. - Stillnotelf 06:03, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and protect from re-creation Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 08:20, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I already did and it got unprotected. -- RHaworth 09:15, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * That was me. I unprotected it because VfU mandated it be undeleted, so I didn't have much choice. The irksome IP in question has removed the AfD tag, predictably, and received a warning from me, with no mincing of words. -Splash talk 12:53, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to neologism and make a brief note about it there as an intentional attempt to force a neologism into the world. The fact that this boy and/or his teacher have managed to get the Beeb to notice is a bit notable. It has also been noted by such august organs as the Lincolnshire Echo, the Grantham Journal and the Sleaford Standard. It does not actually matter if Wikipedia records it, that is not what puts a word into the language. This one will surely frizzle out (pun on the creator's name) anyway. -- RHaworth 09:15, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per Uncle G. android  79  12:23, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per Uncle G. --Jacquelyn Marie 01:52, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Hello. I'm Stephen Frizzle, the creator of the word. I googled knunder earlier to see how it was doing, and 'lo and behold, it's been added on Wikipedia! I was also a bit shocked to see I had "new messages" telling me I'd be blocked from Wikipedia if I was to edit any more pages. What's that all about?! It mentioned something about sharing the same IP address as another user. The only suggestion I can say is the fact I'm using a college computer. It sickens me to think that somebody from the college is deliberately associating the word with acts of anarchy such as this.
 * Delete. All the uses of the word "knunder" in print seem to be about the creation of the word "knunder" as a neologism; I don't see evidence that it is being used on its own as a regular word. --Metropolitan90 19:23, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm putting a report together with all the emails I'm getting from people using the word across the country. From Primary Schools in Scotland to a workhouse in Australia. At my least count, over 5,000 people were using knunder (and that's just a guess from the facts I've collected through emails). -- Friz
 * Hello, Pro-Knunderers and Anti-Knunderers! Wordsmith Friz here; just a short note to say that primary school teachers all over Britain are telling their young pupils to "put their chairs in the knunder". I'm warping a generation of 4-year-olds! Also, the word is going to be used- in context- by a few D C Thompson publications (such as The Weekly News and The Beano). At my lastest count, there are now 30 ways to use the word knunder, either as a noun, verb, preposition or adverb, and there are over 6,000 people who know of the word, or are using the word. Watch this space! -- Friz
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Randy Winn

Dwight Randolph Winn (born June 9, 1974) is an American former professional baseball player. He played all or parts of 13 seasons in Major League Baseball (MLB), primarily as an outfielder. Winn was a switch hitter, and threw right-handed. He made his major league debut in 1998 with the Tampa Bay Devil Rays, then went on to play for the Seattle Mariners, San Francisco Giants, New York Yankees, and St. Louis Cardinals. He played in the 2002 Major League Baseball All-Star Game. He currently works as an analyst for Giants broadcasts on NBC Sports Bay Area.

Early life
Winn was born in Los Angeles but attended San Ramon Valley High School. He attended Santa Clara University and played baseball and basketball (where he played guard alongside former roommate and future NBA Most Valuable Player Steve Nash).

Professional career
Winn was selected in the third round (65th overall) of the 1995 MLB draft by the Florida Marlins.

Tampa Bay Devil Rays (1998–2002)
Winn was taken by the Tampa Bay Devil Rays in the 1997 MLB expansion draft.

Winn made his MLB debut on May 11, 1998 as a pinch runner for the Devil Rays. On October 3, 1999, he hit an inside-the-park grand slam against the New York Yankees. Winn represented Tampa Bay in the 2002 All-Star Game.

Seattle Mariners (2003–05)
On October 29, 2002, he was traded to the Seattle Mariners as compensation for Lou Piniella being hired to manage the Devil Rays.

Winn recorded 462 hits, 40 home runs, 56 stolen bases, 96 doubles, 17 triples, and a .299 batting average over a 2½ year period.

San Francisco Giants (2005–09)
Prior to the trading deadline on July 31, 2005, Seattle traded Winn to the Giants for catcher Yorvit Torrealba and minor league pitcher Jesse Foppert. Despite a late-season rally, the 2005 Giants finished third in the NL West, with a 75-87 record. In his 231 at bats as a Giant, Winn had a .359 batting average, a .680 slugging percentage, 26 RBI, and hit 14 home runs. By comparison, in his 386 at bats with the Mariners that year, Winn was batting .275, slugging .391, had 37 RBIs, and hit 6 home runs.

In his two months with the Giants, Winn equaled his career best for home runs in a season. For his performance in the month of September, Winn was named National League Player of the Month; he recorded 51 hits and had a batting average of .447. Winn's 51 hits were the most in one month by a Giant in over 30 years. Winn had a career-high hitting streak of 20 games. He signed a three-year, $23.25M contract extension with the Giants the following offseason.

In 2006 Winn played in 149 games making 635 plate appearances and saw his average, OBP and slugging drop to .262/.324/.396.

In 2007 Winn played in 155 games making 653 plate appearances and saw his average, OBP and slugging rebound closer to his career averages .300/.353/.455.

In 2008, Winn repeated his 155 games and made 667 plate appearances. His average, OBP and slugging were .306/.363/.426.

In 149 games in 2009, Winn made 597 plate appearances while averaging .262, getting on base .318 and slugging .353. He hit just two home runs and his slugging declined for three straight years. He did record his 200th stolen base and 500th walk during that year. Winn became a free agent following the season.

New York Yankees and St. Louis Cardinals (2010)
On February 8, 2010, Winn signed a one-year deal with the New York Yankees. On May 28, he was designated for assignment as Curtis Granderson was activated from the disabled list. On May 28, 2010, he was officially released by the Yankees. He signed with the St. Louis Cardinals on June 5, and finished the season with them, becoming a free agent at the end of the season.

Baltimore Orioles (2011)
Winn signed a minor league contract with the Baltimore Orioles on February 3, 2011. Four days after his request for an unconditional release was granted on March 28, he announced his retirement as an active player on April 1.

He appeared on the ballot for the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum 2016 election and earned zero votes.

Career statistics
In 1,717 games spanning 13 seasons, Winn posted a .284 batting average (1,759-for-6,186) with 863 runs, 367 doubles, 59 triples, 110 home runs, 662 RBI, 215 stolen bases, 526 base on balls, .343 on-base percentage and .416 slugging percentage. He recorded a .992 fielding percentage playing at all three outfield positions.

Broadcasting career
In 2021 Winn joined the San Francisco Giants' broadcast crew as a part-time color analyst.

Personal life
In 2002, five days after being traded to Seattle, Winn married his college sweetheart, Blessings Robertson.

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