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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AlexQ

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The result of the debate was Delete Ryan Norton T 22:45, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

AlexQ
Musician with no indication of meeting WP:MUSIC guidelines. AMG has never heard of him, or the band Pain Hertz. Pain Hertz had an article also, but since they were related and both short, I merged the content into here. Friday (talk) 16:10, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn, and if AMG hasn't heard of him, then he's really nn. PacknCanes 22:14, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't Delete. is linked on the songs from new york page in wiki, for instance. why delete just because not submitted to the allmusic site?
 * Because AMG essentially serves as the Google test for music articles. And please sign your nominations. PacknCanes 03:31, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. nn. Andrew pmk | Talk 01:17, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

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Johann Georg Christian Lehmann

Johann Georg Christian Lehmann (25 February 1792 – 12 February 1860) was a German botanist.

Born at Haselau, near Uetersen, Holstein, Lehmann studied medicine in Copenhagen and Göttingen, obtained a doctorate in medicine in 1813 and a doctorate in philosophy from the University of Jena in 1814. He spent the rest of his life as professor of physics and natural sciences, and head librarian, at the Gymnasium Academicum in Hamburg.

A prolific monographist of apparently quarrelsome character, he was a member of 26 learned societies and the founder of the Hamburg Botanical Garden (Botanischer Garten Hamburg, now the Alter Botanischer Garten Hamburg). Lehmann died at Hamburg in 1860.

Some of Lehmann's later illustrations were executed by the German entomologist Johann Wilhelm Meigen.

Publications

 * Generis Nicotiniarum Historia Hamburg 1818
 * Plantae e Familiae Asperifoliarum Nuciferae 1818
 * Monographia Generis Primularum Lipsiae 1819
 * Monographia Generis Potentillarum 1820 Supplement 1836
 * Semina in Horto Botanico Hamburgensi 1822-1840
 * Icones et Descriptiones Novarum et Minus Cognitarum Stirpium in 5 parts of 10 plates each 1: 1821 2: 1822 3: 1823 4: 1823 5: 1824
 * Novarum et Minus Cognitarum Stirpium Pugillus I-X Addita Enumeratione Plantarum Omnium in his Pugillus Descriptarum. Hamburgi 1828-1857
 * Delectus Seminum quae in Horto Hamburgensium Botanico e Collectioni Anni1830-1840; 1849–1852
 * Plantae Preissianae Hamburg 1844-1847
 * Index Seminum in Horto Botanico Hamburgensi A. 1851 Collectorum Hamburg 1851-1855
 * Revisionem Potentillarum 1856
 * Observationes zoologicae praesertim in faunam hamburgensem. Pugillus primus. Indicem scholarum publice privatimque in Hamburgensium Gymnasio Academico 1822

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Xiaoshan, Hangzhou

Xiaoshan is one of ten urban districts of the prefecture-level city of Hangzhou, the capital of Zhejiang Province, East China. Xiaoshan was formerly a city in its own right, separated by the Qiantang River from Hangzhou proper, but the municipality was annexed by its more populous neighbor in 2001. Xiaoshan has a permanent population with residential rights of around 1,511,000 and an additional non-permanent population of about 876,500. Most of the local residents are Han people who speak a local variety of Wu Chinese in addition to Mandarin Chinese. The area's history of human settlement dates back to more than 8000 years ago, as excavations at Xiaoshan's Kuahuqiao archeological site have shown. Xiaoshan's manufacturing-dominated economy has made it one of the most affluent metropolitan districts in China. In 2012 it had a GDP of 161.2 billion CNY, or around $17,000 per capita. Hangzhou's international airport, Hangzhou Xiaoshan International Airport, is located in western Xiaoshan, close to the mouth of Hangzhou Bay. The district is also at the center of one of China's local real estate booms, as the demand for newer, more upscale housing from China's growing middle class has led to an explosion in construction of new high-rise condominiums. In addition, Hangzhou Xiaoshan Sports Centre is also found in Xiaoshan.The local culture is deeply rooted in the area's communist character, and the Chinese Communist Party has a strong local presence and an estimated local membership of 250,000.

Administrative divisions
Subdistricts:
 * Chengxiang Subdistrict (城厢街道), Beigan Subdistrict (北干街道), Shushan Subdistrict (蜀山街道), Xintang Subdistrict (新塘街道)

Towns:
 * Louta (楼塔镇), Heshang (河上镇), Daicun (戴村镇), Puyang (浦阳镇), Jinhua (进化镇), Linpu (临浦镇), Yiqiao (义桥镇), Suoqian (所前镇), Yaqian (衙前镇), Wenyan (闻堰镇), Ningwei (宁围镇), Xinjie (新街镇), Kanshan (坎山镇), Guali (瓜沥镇), Dangshan (党山镇), Yinong (益农镇), Jingjiang (靖江镇), Nanyang (南阳镇), Yipeng (义蓬镇), Hezhuang (河庄镇), Dangwan (党湾镇), Xinwan (新湾镇)

Geography
Xiaoshan District is in the north of Zhejiang Province, between latitude 29°50'48"-30°23'33 "N and longitude 120°04'21"-120°43'31 "E. The area is about 63.05 kilometers from east to west and 60.5 kilometers from north to south. It is about 63.05 kilometers wide from east to west and 60.5 kilometers long from north to south, with a total area of 1,417.834 square kilometers.

Topography and geomorphology

Xiaoshan District is in the northern part of the low hills in eastern Zhejiang and the southern part of the plains in northern Zhejiang. The terrain is high in the south and low in the north, tilting from southwest to northeast and slightly low-lying in the center. The geomorphological zoning features are more obvious: the southern part is a low mountainous area with small river valley plains; the central and northern parts are plains, with hills in the middle. The plains account for about 66% of the region, the mountains for 17%, and the water for 17%.

Climate

Xiaoshan District is located on the southern edge of the northern subtropical monsoon climate zone; the climate is characterized by long winter and summer, short spring and autumn, and four distinct seasons: abundant light, abundant rainfall, warm and humid; cold air is easy to enter and difficult to get out of the more disastrous weather; light, temperature, and water of the regional differences are apparent

Xiaoshan Economic & Technological Development Zone
Xiaoshan Economic & Technological Development Zone was established in 1990. The zone is only 10 km away from Hangzhou Xiaoshan International Airport, with Shanghai-Ningbo Expressway and Hangzhou-Qujiang Expressway passing through. Currently, it has formed leading industries including electronic communications, automobiles and auto parts, precision machinery, medical food, textiles, garments, chemical building materials.

Economy
Loong Airlines has its headquarters in the Loong Air Office Building on the property of Hangzhou Xiaoshan International Airport.

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Talk:Rainer Maria

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I was at their Buffalo concert, and I asked Kyle when the new album was coming out, and he said it would be in January. So that's what I'm going to make the article page say.

Reply: Given that it's almost the end of January and it's still not available, this seems to be unlikely. Their homepage has also recently been updated with the name of the album. Frailgesture 07:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Anathema

 * Rainer Maria is the first band ever known of using the word "anathema" in a song.

Where did that information come from? Imaginaryoctopus(talk) 17:18, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I find it unlikely they were the first band ever to have used the word. There is no way to verify that. I am going to delete that passage. If there's some proof of this, it can come back. Admiralakbar 03:09, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

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User talk:Wikipedia é comunismo

Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. --Ashenai (talk) 16:11, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

This user is indefinitely blocked on sight as a sock of persistent vandal User:Wikipedia is communism. Fawcett5 16:15, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

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Mickley Green

Mickley Green is a hamlet in Suffolk, United Kingdom to the east of the village of Whepstead on the road to Melon Green.

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Moderation League of New York

The Moderation League of New York was an organization founded in 1923 in opposition to prohibition.

History
The Moderation League was founded in 1923 by Austen George Fox and "six other wealthy residents of New York City" to change the Volstead Act's legal definition of the "intoxicating liquors" prohibited by the Eighteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution establishing prohibition. This seemed to its members to be an achievable goal, whereas the repeal of prohibition seemed at that point an impossible achievement. The League worked closely with the American Federation of Labor and the Constitutional Liberty League of Massachusetts.

In 1926, the League conducted a survey of 602 police departments that found that Prohibition law violations had dramatically risen over time, and that the "increase in arrests was up more in those states that were already dry before National Prohibition".

While the Moderation League was unsuccessful in its battle over the alcohol content, it helped win the repeal of National Prohibition with the Twenty-first Amendment to the United States Constitution.

Directors
Besides Fox (a close ally of Elihu Root), the others involved were E. N. Brown, James A. Burden (father of James A. Burden Jr.), John G. Agar, James Speyer and Martin Vogel of New York and Thomas D. Stokes of Long Beach.

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Jakarta Monorail

The Jakarta Monorail ( JET Monorail) was a cancelled monorail network project in Jakarta, Indonesia. If completed, it would have comprised two lines, totalling up to 29 km.

The project had a tumultuous history. First awarded in 2003, the contract changed owners three times by 2005, before being abandoned with little more than some pillars built in 2008. The project was revived in February 2013, but cancelled again in 2015 due to financial problems and legal disputes. Jakarta Governor Basuki "Ahok" Tjahaja Purnama confirmed in September 2015 that the project would not continue.

Planning and early construction
The project was initially awarded in 2003 to Malaysian company MTrans, the technology owner and builders of the KL Monorail. Construction started in June 2004 but was halted after only a few weeks after the funds for the project stopped. MTrans' memorandum of understanding (MoU) was then cancelled after MTrans didn't respond adequately, and the MoU did not move towards a formal agreement.

The project was subsequently awarded to the Singaporean-led Omnico consortium, which proposed to use the Hitachi Monorail system (the base used for the KL Monorail) and then later on switched to the maglev technology by South Korean company Rotem.

In July 2005, the project changed hands again with a new MoU granted to a consortium of PT Bukaka Teknik Utama, PT INKA and Siemens Indonesia (former vice president Jusuf Kalla, who then assumed office, owns a large stake in Bukaka). Omnico contested this move, but construction continued nonetheless, under the assumption that the basic foundation piles and pillars can be used by whichever consortium and technology wins in the end. By 2006, a change in shareholder structure resulted to PT Indonesia Transit Central (ITC) controlling 98 percent of the shares in the company, leaving partner Omnico with only 2 percent, reduced from its initial 45 percent. Reports indicate fares of Rp 5,000 per trip were considered with government subsidies and that the Dubai Islamic Bank was sought as an investor of up to US$500 million but had pulled out when the government refused to provide guarantees if ridership were to fall below 160,000 per day.

In March 2008, developers PT Jakarta Monorail officially abandoned the project. Then, in April, numerous pylons to support the future track were illegally demolished, probably by metal thieves.

In September 2011, the Jakarta administration called off the monorail project with a maximum Rp.204 billion ($23.3 million) compensation to PT Jakarta Monorail.

Construction resumes
In February 2013, the revival of the monorail project was announced by Dedy S. Priatna, deputy of infrastructure at the National Development Planning Agency (Bappenas), as part of plans to improve public transport in Jakarta.

Private corporation PT Jakarta Monorail undertook the project's development. The consortium was 90% owned by Singapore-based Ortus Group and 10% by PT Indonesia Transit Central (ITC). Ortus Group has reportedly paid Rp 2.3 trillion (US$238 million) for its share in the consortium. A deal has been signed to buy the pylons built between 2004 and 2007 from PT Adhi Karya for Rp 190 billion (US$19.5 million). The consortium plans to finance the Rp 8 trillion project with 70% debt and the balance by equity.

In April 2013, Chinese firm Changchun Railway Vehicles Co., Ltd. (CNR) was declared the preferred manufacturer of the trains for the railway. A prototype vehicle was displayed at Monas (National Monument)  in central Jakarta from 22 June to 14 July 2013. In early May 2013 marketing firm XM JWT Jakarta was appointed to handle all branding, advertising, events, PR and digital marketing. The consortium ran a public competition on its website to choose the name the new system: "JET", an acronym for "Jakarta Eco Transit".

On 29 June 2013, Jakarta Governor Joko "Jokowi" Widodo signed an agreement with PT Jakarta Monorail to allow the project to proceed. Fares are proposed at Rp 10,000 (US $1.01) per trip with an initial capacity of 274,000 passengers per day with a design capacity of 35,000 passengers per hour per direction. In announcing the deal the Governor called for work to commence as soon as possible and said the line should open by 2016; he also said that he hoped the other consortium proposing a regional monorail in greater Jakarta would make progress (see section below). Details of the agreement do not seem to have been made public.

Groundbreaking took place on 16 October 2013.

Contract termination
In 2014, the project was stalled after disagreement between PT Jakarta Monorel as the contractor and developer with Jakarta Municipal Government, over the design of the stations as well as the land acquisition for the monorail depot. The proposed elevated grand monorail station in Dukuh Atas, Stadion Madya Senayan and Kuningan Sentral for example, has raised critical questions since the supporting pylons of this grand stations will occupy public spaces; street, canal, pedestrian and public parks.

The design of grand monorail stations and operator insistence on the right to lease the spaces in stations, also has sparked arguments over the suspicions that the operator is actually intends to build some new malls, shopping centres or office spaces over Jakarta's street in the guise of monorail stations. The Dukuh Atas monorail station for example is proposed to rise up to 10 storey building, while Kuningan Sentral would rise to 5 or 4 storey building that will occupy Rasuna Said boulevard. The Jakarta municipal government refuses PT Jakarta Monorel's proposal to build a monorail depot over Setiabudi reservoir near Dukuh Atas and West Jakarta Flood Canal near Tanah Abang, arguing that the construction would harm the canal and dam structure. Dinas Tata Ruang DKI (Jakarta Spatial Planning Agency) rejected the use of proposed land for the construction of a monorail depot and station, argued that the land proposed must be sterile from commercial buildings.

In January 2015, The Jakarta administration decided to cancel its contract with monorail project operator PT Jakarta Monorail (JM) to develop the monorail routes proposed by the firm. Reasons cited were that the route JM proposed to build was not feasible and doubts over the company's ability to fund the project.

Intracity monorail
The original monorail was planned to be two main lines. The loop line known as the Green line would have served the business districts of the city (Casablanca and Rasuna Said Area), 14.8 km with 15 stops. The second line known as the Blue line would have been 14.2 km with 12 stops and would have run from Kampung Melayu to Tanah Abang. The whole system would have had the total of 29 km. It would have had two interchange stations at Casablanca and Karet to allow passengers to switch between these two lines, and the Sudirman Dukuh Atas station would also have allowed passengers to switch to the Jakarta Busway and the Jakarta railway network.

The system was due to have an initial capacity of 10,000 passengers per hour per direction (pphpd) expandable to 30,000 pphpd. In the opening year, the Jakarta Monorail was planned to carry on average 274,000 people per day with plans to scale up capacity size quickly as the design capacity is set to carry 35,000 passengers per hour per direction.

Connection to intercity project
A consortium of five state owned enterprises (SOEs), led by PT Adhi Karya (previously part of the Jakarta Monorail consortium), has said they have plans to build a 39.036 km monorail line connecting Cibubur-Cawang-Kuningan and Bekasi-Cawang across Greater Jakarta. The line will connect to the 'Green' and 'Blue' lines to be built by PT Jakarta Monorail In early May 2013 the SOE consortium unveiled a mockup of their own prototype monorail car, built by PT INKA in Jakarta. The consortium said they are waiting for a permit from the central government as their routes would cover three government regions. It is expected to cost between Rp 7 trillion (US$800 million) and Rp 9 trillion (US$923 million) with financing to come from the SOEs and loans from state owned banks. Ridership is estimated at 191,600 per day.

This plan eventually evolved into the Jabodebek LRT, which is not based on monorail technology, but will reuse some of the monorail pillars.

Criticism
A number of commentators and analysts have criticised the monorail on grounds of costs (compared to busway) or lack of capacity (compared to a subway or heavy rail) as well as unrealistic predictions.

In 2005, the non-governmental organization Pelangi said "based on (these) sustainability requirements, the busway outweighs the subway or monorail"; they recommended that Jakarta should focus on extending and improving the TransJakarta bus rapid transit (BRT) network rather than build subways or monorails as the busway would have lower capital costs and did not require operational subsidies. Also given the lower costs the busway could be extended to serve a great proportion of the population for the same amount of money. (Transjakarta has already the worlds longest BRT network at 172 km with 200 stations and operates with 520 buses carrying 350,000 people per day).

In 2008, the former Mayor of Bogotá, Colombia, Enrique Peñalosa also called for Jakarta to expand the busways instead of monorail or subways; he told a seminar that "[A] subway would cost three times its contract value, yet it would only cover several lines, (but) with the same amount of money you could reach all parts of the city with the (busway) network,". Bogota has one of the world's most extensive and busiest BRT networks, the TransMilenio.

The monorail line design; loop Green line and Blue line, has gained criticism, as it only connects shopping malls in Jakarta's city center, and would not connect to suburban Jakarta that desperately need transportation infrastructure; thus would not be useful for many Jakartan commuters. Transportation experts deemed that the city center monorail project would not answer Jakarta's traffic problems, but would only serves as a novelty tourists' ride.

In November 2012, the Director of the Institute of Transportation Studies, Darmaningtyas, said the capacity of the monorail was too limited, it was not economic and not suitable for Jakarta: "Everything has to be built, including the train depot. This is not economical. The fare can be over Rp 10,000 per person. If seen from the monorail’s planned coverage in Jakarta, with a radius of less than 10km, this is too expensive"

The project was further criticised in February 2013 by Bambang Susantono, the deputy minister of transportation, on the grounds that it was not sustainable in the long term and other public transport modes better suited Jakarta's requirements. The two line project agreed to in June 2013 is supposed to be built without any government financing. The Jakarta City Council has set up a committee to ensure the project does not draw on funds from the City's budget.

Cancellation
Jakarta Governor Basuki "Ahok" Tjahaja Purnama stated on 10 September 2015 that negotiations with monorail project operator PT Jakarta Monorail (JM) would not continue, meaning total discontinuation of the infrastructure project. State-owned construction company PT Adhi Karya is to use the numerous monorail support poles to develop the Jabodebek LRT.

The shift of choice from monorail to LRT Jabodebek system was based on several considerations; compared to monorail, LRT has higher passenger capacity, simpler intersection and switching system, and cheaper maintenance cost. With common track gauge of, would make LRT easier to integrate with existing commuter railways and Jakarta MRT.

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User:ASU/Draft space

Synbot is short for synthesis bot. This type of bot mimics characteristics, provenly at least appearance, of real humans.

An instance of a synbot is constructed by first sampling the target by the means of 3D scanning and photography and creating a 3D model based on the samples, applying statistical information and approximations. Synthesis with an actor and suitable algorithms is applied using powerful computers. The actors' part in the synthesis is to take care of mimicking human expressions in still picture synbots and also human movement in motion picture synbots. Algorithms are needed to simulate laws of physics and physiology and to map the model and it's appearance and movements accordingly.

Damaging yourself psychologically
The threat synbots cause for the majority of human kind is likely not in that they would targeted by real synbot attacks.  Instead for most people the most imminent threat is that just grasping or understanding the fundamentals of synbots in itself allows practically anyone to conjure up scenarios of how destructive people might use these as weapons against people if they had access to the technology, know-how and resources to make synbots of people.

By playing mind games with the mere idea synbots a person will likely do psychological and emotional damage to her or himself regardless of whether s/he is imagining someone else being hit with these or self becoming a target or a combination of the previous. Unfortunately it is difficult to stop anyone from using her or his imagination to do harm to anyone and thus damaging the well being of themselves and others.

Being targeted by a synbot attack

 * 1) You might see images, moving or still, that are not real i.e. give false account.
 * 2) Others might see images that are not real.
 * 3) Since synbots are not restricted by the laws of physics they can travel backwards in time by modeling the target(s) as younger.
 * 4) Due to the previous synbots can make make believe images of people that are dead, thus have a potential of wrecking the memory of someone, the most concrete thing there is left here of someone when s/he has left us.

Synbots and making of synbots on display
Matrix Revolutions bonus DVD documents and depicts constructing synbots in some detail and the techniques used such as facial and limbal motion capture, projection of the previous to a model of somebody.

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Jamaica Committee

The Jamaica Committee was a group set up in Great Britain in 1865, which called for Edward Eyre, Governor of Jamaica, to be tried for his excesses in suppressing the Morant Bay rebellion of 1865. More radical members of the Committee wanted him tried for the murder of British subjects (Jamaica was at that time a Crown Colony), under the rule of law. The Committee included English liberals, such as John Bright, John Stuart Mill, Charles Darwin, Thomas Henry Huxley, Thomas Hughes, Herbert Spencer and A. V. Dicey, the last of whom would eventually become known for his scholarship on the conflict of laws.

Other prominent members of the committee included Charles Buxton, Frederic Harrison, Edmond Beales, Frederick Chesson, Leslie Stephen, Thomas Hill Green, Henry Fawcett, Goldwin Smith, Charles Lyell and Edward Frankland.

The counsel to the Jamaica Committee was James Fitzjames Stephen, who held that the defendants were guilty of legal murder, but extended considerable sympathy to them and intimated that they were probably morally justified. From then on, Mill was cool to him.

Thomas Carlyle set up Governor Eyre Defence and Aid Committee in support of Eyre. His supporters included John Ruskin, Charles Kingsley, Charles Dickens, Alfred Tennyson and John Tyndall.

The Jamaica Committee was ultimately unsuccessful in its goal of having Eyre prosecuted.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Benny/29a

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The result of the debate was DELETE and excuse me for not keeping up with the scene, but what the heck is "29a"? — J I P | Talk 18:08, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Benny/29a
nn vanity related to 29a. Vsmith 16:16, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Also see Articles for deletion/29a -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 18:11, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete per nom. Vsmith 16:16, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.--Isotope23 16:41, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - vanity/advert/not notable - Tεx  τ  urε  17:05, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't Delete' Don't delete. It's good info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.64.5.97 (talk • contribs) 11 Oct 18:04
 * (also blanked the afd page). -- ( ☺ drini ♫ | ☎ ) 18:06, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. MCB 23:02, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete vanity Masterhatch 10:44, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northern techno alliance

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The result of the debate was DELETE. — J I P | Talk 10:58, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Northern techno alliance
Smells like advertising to me. -- Grev -- Talk 16:16, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete Agreed. Anville 16:58, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not only smells like advertising, but looks and sounds like it too. PacknCanes 22:16, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete NN --Rogerd 04:09, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

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Treaty 3

Treaty 3 was an agreement entered into on October 3, 1873, by Chief Mikiseesis (Little Eagle) on behalf of the Ojibwe First Nations and Queen Victoria. The treaty involved a vast tract of Ojibwe territory, including large parts of what is now northwestern Ontario and a small part of eastern Manitoba, to the Government of Canada. Treaty 3 also provided for rights for the Waasaakode Anishinaabe ("light skinned Anishinaabe") and other Ojibwe, through a series of agreements signed over the next year. The treaty was modified in 1875 when Nicolas Chatelain negotiated an adhesion that created a reserve, surveyed as reserve 16A, for Metis families connected to Mikiseesis' Rainy Lake Band. Reserve 16A and the Rainy Lake Band reserve were unified in 1967.

It was the third in a series of eleven numbered treaties between the Crown and First Nation band governments. Despite being the third of these treaties it is more historically significant in that its text and terms served as the model for the remainder of the numbered treaties. Treaties 1 and 2 covered an area about the same size and had to be amended to reflect some of the developments arising out of the negotiation of Treaty 3. At the time that it was negotiated it was anticipated that the terms of Treaty 3 would serve as a model for future treaties and would require the amendment of Treaties 1 and 2.

Treaty 3 has particular historical significance because of the litigation that ensued between the Crown in Right of Ontario and the Crown in Right of Canada over the significance of the treaty and the respective roles of Canada and the provinces in relation to aboriginal peoples. The first of these cases is St. Catherines Milling v. The Queen which dealt with the question of the ownership of lands subject to a treaty (a question that was decided in favour of the Province). The second, The Dominion of Canada v The Province of Ontario, dealt with the question of whether or not Ontario had to indemnify Canada for the expenses incurred in negotiating the treaty and the ongoing costs of fulfilling the treaty obligations. Canada lost this case as well with the Supreme Court of Canada and the Privy Council holding that Canada was responsible for Indian affairs and the welfare of Indians and that the treaty had been negotiated to achieve broad national purposes (such as the building of the transcontinental railway) rather than to benefit Ontario. The significance of these decisions is still a matter of discussion in the Canadian courts.

Treaty 3 is also significant as there exists a written record of the native peoples' understanding of the treaty. This is known as the Paypom document. It is a series of notes that were written for Chief Powassin during the treaty negotiations, and documents the promises that were made to the First Nations people. The promises in the Paypom document differ in a number of ways from the printed version available from the Canadian government.

Signatory First Nations (sorted by present day tribal affiliations)

 * Big Grassy First Nation
 * Anishnaabeg of Naongashiing (Big Island First Nation)
 * Northwest Angle 33 First Nation
 * Northwest Angle 37 First Nation
 * Ojibways of Onigaming First Nation
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Whepstead

Whepstead is a village and civil parish in the West Suffolk district of Suffolk in eastern England, located south of Bury St Edmunds. Once the property of Bury Abbey it became a possession of the Drury family at the Dissolution of the Monasteries in the 16th century. Whepstead Church is dedicated to St Petronilla the only such dedication in England.

In 1870–72, John Marius Wilson described Whepstead in his Imperial Gazetteer of England and Wales like this:

"WHEPSTEAD, a parish, with a village, in Thingoe district, Suffolk; 4½ miles SSW of Bury-St. Edmunds r. station. It has a post-office under Bury-St. Edmunds. Acres, 2,670. Real property, £4,281. Pop., 677. Houses, 140. The property is much subdivided. Plumpton House is the seat of W. R. Bevan, Esq. The living is a rectory in the diocese of Ely. Value, £600.* Patron, A. R. Steele, Esq. The church is good; and there are an endowed school with £35 a year, and charities £50"

Hamlets in the parish of Whepstead include Melon Green, Mickley Green and Stone Cross Green.

There is one pub in Whepstead called The White Horse, which is a free house built in the 17th century.

A community centre is located on the B1066 Bury St Edmunds to Hartest road. It is managed by the local community and is regularly used for activities including keep fit, carpet bowls, and the cricket club.

Demography
According to the Office for National Statistics, at the time of the United Kingdom Census 2001, Whepstead had a population of 427 with 181 households.

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Talk:Soccer-specific stadium

Expansion Teams
Are Tor, Phi, Hous, Milw actual expansion teams or are they just proposed stadiums if the MLS expands to thoes cities. Perhaps it could clarify a bitSmith03 16:18, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Starfire Sports Complex
I have found no informstion about the exsistance of this so-called "stadium". 205.188.117.8 22:17, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

opening dates
Everything points to Red Bull Arena opening in 2008, including the latest press reports. --Scaryice 03:21, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

St. Jonh's Stadium
I've got nothing against King George V but it isn't a national soccer stadium. They usually go to Edmonton when it is soccer.65.94.185.198 23:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

James Griffin Stadium
I removed James Griffin Stadium, home of the USL's Minnesota Thunder and Minnesota Lightning, from the list. Per the photos on the page, it looks like it's more of a football primary stadium. Limasbravo (talk) 15:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Article or section deals primarily with the United States and does not represent a worldwide view of the subject.
Something should be said about other parts of the world (many European coutries, Argentina, etc.) which for decades have had stadiums solely used for football. --ChaChaFut (talk) 05:03, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

 * The term itself, however, is used mainly in North America and in other countries were soccer is not the number one sport and were soccer teams have had to borrow grounds from other sporting clubs. Djln--Djln (talk) 18:14, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

 * The article isn't about football (soccer) stadiums in general, though. The article's title is a term used in the US, and its scope is North America only, -and any expansion would damage the clarity/focus of the article. IMO the worldwide template should be removed and a concealed note at the top say to discuss the matter on the talk page first, perhaps... Leth  esl  05:52, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I removed the tag for the above reasons. Willy turner (talk) 17:25, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Qwest Field is soccer specific?
I've started a discussion over here about how I think Qwest Field is actually a soccer-specific stadium. Unfortunately the definition of what an SSS actually is (in this article) is (currently) completely unreferenced which makes it difficult to know whether my claim is right or wrong (thus my addition of refimprove at the top). I've begun a search for references to help correct this and am keeping notes here. I welcome anyone else's further thoughts and contributions (especially references) as we try to get to the bottom of this. Thanks! --SkotyWATalk|Contribs 23:40, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Expanding the definition
It's pretty clear (to me, anyway) that there's a bit of a disconnect between this page, which purports to be a definition of the term "soccer-specific stadium", and what some of us actually believe that definition to mean.

The main definition on the page does not, in my mind, include enough of the newer stadiums in North America. For example, both Qwest Field in Seattle, Washington and the new Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas specifically included soccer in their designs prior to construction.

My contention is that stadiums such as these are, in their own way, every bit as much a "soccer stadium" as the so-called "soccer-specific" stadiums in the article. When we say "SSS" we're talking about structures that are often built for other uses as well as for soccer.

At what point does use of a stadium for other purposes make that the "primary" purpose of a given structure? To say "soccer-specific" almost implies that a stadium is only for soccer, yet many of these SSS are actually multi-use facilities (ie, used for rugby, lacrosse, concerts, etc). See this article for an architect discussing having to take into account other use considerations for so-called "soccer-specific" stadiums.

I believe that we should expand the definition a bit and include some text that describes these other venues and the influence that soccer had on their design. Accordingly, I have added a paragraph and arbitrarily created the term "soccer hybrid stadium". (Hey, someone's got to be the first to use a term.) I cited references for the claim that these stadia were designed for soccer and created a separate table following the "current MLS stadium" table for listing these stadiums.

I'm not aware of any besides Qwest Field and Cowboys Stadium that are in this "soccer hybrid" category and would appreciate people chiming in with references. I believe Gillette Stadium in Foxboro, Massachusetts was designed with soccer in mind as well as football but have been unable to find anything to cite saying so. Enumclaw (talk) 07:14, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

 * As far as I can tell, the definition of SSS as used in this article is that of its primary usage in published sources. If you can produce reliable publish sources which support your expanded definition of SSS, then by all means include them in the article. But you can't make up yor own terms, as that is definitely Original Research, and not permitted in WP. We can't just change accepted definitions because we don't like or agree with them - it has to follow accepted usage or usages.

 * That newer large multipurpose stadiums have been designed for soccer does not make them soccer specific, or even hybrid stadiums in the sense that a staduim designed for both baseball and football would be a hybrid, though I've never seen the term used that way. The only real necessity in playing soccer in an American football stadium is that the field be large enough for a regulation soccer field. Even so, the dimensions are similar enough that soccer has been played on the smaller Am. Fottball fields anyway. If we want to make up terms, then soccer-inclusive might work, but I'm not going to include it in the article either!

 * Anyway, such a major change in the definition of the term and scope of the article needs to be discussed beforehand. SO, per WP:BRD, I've removed the additions from the article. Please gain a consensus to include such material before readdong it. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 07:48, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

 * Well this article as it currently sits is original research anyway. I put that tag citations tag at the top of the article back in May 2009.  Multiple sources can be found for Qwest where it's made clear that the stadium was designed for soccer and football however there are none with call it a "soccer-specific stadium".  The conclusion I came to a while ago is that "soccer-specific stadium" is essentially just a marketing term for MLS teams who get their own stadium built.  The fact is most of these "soccer-specific stadiums" actually have a stage at one end which essentially makes them a contradiction.  They're designed for concerts as much as they're designed for soccer.  Frankly, I'd like to see this article deleted since it's been almost a year and no one has improved it with verifiable sources.  It's been 100% WP:OR for over a year now.  --SkotyWATC 08:35, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

 * Well, according to WP:BRD, there's no requirement to discuss the scope of the article beforehand. And as Skotywa points out, there are as many actual references in the article to the "definition" of SSS as there are to anything I wrote.

 * The point is pretty simple: What defines a "soccer-specific stadium"?  It cannot be the uses that stadiums are seeing, because the current SSS are used for more things than soccer (concerts, rugby, American football, etc).  And apparently, according to you, it cannot be whether or not the stadium was designed for soccer, because these newer large multipurpose stadiums were designed for soccer just like the smaller places (say, Red Bulls Arena or Toyota Park) were, with sightlines, field considerations, etc taken into account.  Likewise, the smaller SSS were designed with other uses in mind, so plainly they're not ONLY for soccer; can they really be "soccer-specific" in that case?

 * In short, from my point of view, I've put forth just as much proof (more, actually, since I quoted articles that backed up what I was saying) that the larger stadiums are every bit as much "soccer-specific" as the smaller ones are. As Skotywa points out, since nothing else in the article is backed up with references, in theory the entire article should be deleted; even the most basic assertion, that "soccer-specific stadium" is a term, is not backed up by citation.

 * I feel that the addition I made was a reasonable attempt to point out newer, larger facilities that were designed for soccer use and were built with that intention. In the absence of other dissenting views, and since the addition doesn't actually contradict anything in the previous version of the article, I'm not really understanding what your objection is (other than the "original research" objection, and that can be reworked.) Enumclaw (talk) 18:25, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

 * Soccer-specific is by design. If a soccer-specific stadium loses it's soccer team, and it starts being used for concerts only, is it no longer a soccer specific stadium? That is preposterous. A stadium is either designed and built for soccer (soccer-specific) or it is not and it has to be adapted. To think that stadiums can become soccer-specific and then stop being soccer-specific just based on how they happen to be used at some point in time is laughable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.237.193.145 (talk) 09:34, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

 * It does not cease to be a SSS, but it does cease to be listed here. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:46, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Jeld-Wen Field
Before I just add it, is there any good reason that Jeld-Wen field isn't on this list?

One can quibble with whether the definition this article is using is correct or not, but Jeld-Wen certainly seems to meet the definition that's being used. It was "fundamentally redesigned for soccer" and it's "primary function is to host soccer matches". Save a half dozen college football games a year, that's basically all it's used for. It probably hosts 40 professional soccer games between the men's and women's teams. It was not originally built for soccer, but neither was Buck Shaw (which is on the list) and in any case the definition in the description makes it clear that it doesn't have to have been built for that purpose. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dys Claimer (talk • contribs) 22:58, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not soccer-specific. I removed it yesterday after reviewing them all. Jen-Weld is home to three teams, only two of them are association football and if 1/4 of the games are college football and it wasn't designed specifically for soccer but was retrofitted for it, and used to host a baseball team in the past, it's really not appropriate to list it here. The fact that it doesn't even call itself a soccer-specific stadium is a big red flag too. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:22, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

The problem I guess is that it seems to be soccer-specific by the definition that you're using in the actual article. The article states that a SSS is "a sports stadium either purpose built or fundamentally redesigned for soccer (association football) and whose primary function is to host soccer matches, as opposed to a multipurpose stadium which is for a variety of sports including soccer. "

Jeld-Wen was in fact "fundamentally redesigned" for soccer. It was not a minor change to the building. It underwent a massive renovation that made it impossible to use for baseball any longer. There are (for example) now stands where left field used to be. The renovation was done for the explicit purpose of making the stadium suitable for a Major League Soccer team. It certainly seems to have been "fundamentally redesigned". And this was clearly done for soccer. I guess we can argue over what "fundamentally" means...

Likewise, the definition says that the "primary purpose" of the stadium "is" (note the present tense in the definition) to host soccer matches. Again, it is beyond dispute that this is the primary purpose of the stadium at this time. The stadium hosts 40 or so professional soccer matches per year. It hosts about 6 college football games per year. That's far fewer than 25%. That is clearly the primary purpose. And in any event, the specific description in the article calls out the fact that a soccer specific stadium may be used to host other events specifically including American football.

It is true that the stadium made certain accommodations in the redesign to make it possible to continue hosting football there - the major one being the use of artificial turf - but that's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things.

The situation at Jeld-Wen is essentially the same as with Buck Shaw, which is why I brought that stadium up in my comment. Both stadiums were built for other sports, and both were significantly redesigned for the explicit purpose of making them suitable for a Major League Soccer team. Buck Shaw used to host both baseball (until 2005) and American football for Santa Clara University. Near as I can tell, the only real difference between their situations is that Santa Clara's football team folded in 1992, so they don't use the stadium any more. Surely *that* can't be the issue.

The other concern I have is simply consistency with other Wikipedia articles. If you go to the article "List of Major League Soccer Stadiums" it specifically notes Jeld-Wen as a soccer specific stadium (and strangely does NOT include Buck Shaw.)

Anyway, if you want to change the description, that might be appropriate. But right now you have a list that seems to me to be at odds with the description above it. If you want the definition to be that you can't be a SSS if you play American football there, then you might want to remove the line in the description that says exactly the opposite. Dys Claimer (talk) 20:45, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * It was added back. I left it because the article changed. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:00, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not there right now.
 * By all accounts, it should be. I'm adding it back in.  Offside Trap (talk) 17:21, 2 February 2015 (UTC)Offside_Trap

Mexico is part of North America
Mexico and Central America are part of North America, therefore, any list of soccer-specific stadiums in North America would have to include stadiums in Mexico, Costa Rica, Honduras, etc...

I understand the authors of this article are referring only to the US and Canada, but that is an incorrect definition of North America. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.119.149.78 (talk) 04:28, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Yes, so can you list the stadiums you'd like to see added, with reliable sources telling us that they are Soccer-specific stadiums. HiLo48 (talk) 04:32, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * First, depending on whose system you use Central America isn't always considered part of North America.
 * Second, this isn't about North American stadiums but about Soccer-specific stadiums and in Mexico they play football, or more specifically, fútbol. I'm fairly certain that they play football in Central America too. You'll notice that we don't include fields in the United Kingdom, Europe or South America or Asia, only because they don't use the term "soccer" there. If Jamaica or other nations where it's known as "soccer" want to add articles, that would be fine. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:17, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * And as it states:
 * The term "football-specific stadium" is sometimes used in countries where the sport is known as football, although it is not as common in countries where football is the dominant sport and thus football-specific stadiums are quite common
 * I don't think it's appropriate unless a reference can be supplied that calls a Mexican or Central American stadium either a soccer-specific or football-specific stadium. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:27, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

This article seems confused as to whether it's about stadiums specifically built for soccer, or association football, or football (the soccer version). Of course, they're all the same thing, but some of the posts above are written as if the article is only about places where the game is primarily called soccer. I recently added a tag to the claim that the term is used in Australia, where I reside (and South Korea, but I'm no expert on that country). You see, for Australia, as well as there being no sourcing for the claim I tagged, the really avid fans are all part of a very strong campaign to re-brand the game as football. The campaign is hitting some hurdles, as anyone who has the time and energy to read Talk:Soccer in Australia and its archives will see, but it's certainly what some of the hard core fans are demanding. Does this mean that no stadium in Australia will ever make it to this article? Is this article really dependent on that arbitrary line of what the game is called. To discuss even the Mexico situation,, which triggered this topic, we need to sort this out. HiLo48 (talk) 00:59, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

The real question is, "What is the purpose of this article?"

The whole soccer vs. football debate seems ridiculous here. We are talking about stadiums for a specific sport, regardless of what you want to call that sport. These stadiums share the same basic layout in any country on any continent, so to make an article about soccer-specific stadiums in the US and Canada only, or in North America only, makes no sense. There is nothing about these stadiums to distinguish them from stadiums in other countries. In fact, MLS goes out of it's way to say their stadiums are like modern stadiums 'in Europe.'

But I do think a soccer-specific stadium article would be useful as many of the largest or most popular "soccer stadiums" in the world were built with an athletics track around the field, which makes them less desirable as soccer stadiums. The Olympic stadiums in Berlin, Munich, and Rome come to mind, as well as many of the smaller Italian stadiums. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.119.149.78 (talk) 05:34, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * There is no soccer v football debate, it's a debate as to whether the sport is the primary on in the country. In the United States and Canada, the sport is not the most popular one and so stadiums are built for the more popular sports: American Football and baseball in the United States and Canadian Football in Canada. That's the point. If a stadium is built specifically for association football, it's a big deal here. If a stadium isn't built specifically for association football in the other countries, that is big deal. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:21, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, there IS a soccer vs football debate in Australia, and the article says it's also about Australia. Nevertheless, if the article is really about soccer specific stadiums where soccer is not the major sport, maybe it should say so. HiLo48 (talk) 22:40, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * It does:
 * The term "football-specific stadium" is sometimes used in countries where the sport is known as football, although it is not as common in countries where football is the dominant sport and thus football-specific stadiums are quite common, or in countries where baseball is dominant (Far East, Central America and the Caribbean). The term tends to have a slightly different meaning in these countries, usually referring to a stadium without an athletics track surrounding the pitch.
 * If it needs to be more clear, feel free to make that happen. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:57, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Walter - That's buried at the end of a lead that's far too long anyway, and doesn't explicitly address the issue of what THIS article is about, which is still not clear to me, so I can't fix it. THAT'S the point. Are we really in agreement that this article is only about stadiums built specifically for soccer in countries where that's the major name of the game? If so, say so right at the beginning. But then, what about countries like Australia where the debate on the name is strong? Australia is mentioned in the first sentence! (Without a source, of course.) This really is a sloppy article. And what really does happen in South Korea? Do you know? IS the game called soccer, in Korean or English? HiLo48 (talk) 22:58, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Then we should fix it. All of it. It's not whether it's called a soccer-specific stadium in Korea, it's whether stadiums are primarily built for association football or some other sport. If it's the former, it's not appropriate to list them here. If it's the latter is. The same goes for Australia even if they decide to adopt the term "football". Again, if this is not clear, we should fix it. Any suggestions? Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:52, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Walter, let me make two points.

1. Encyclopedia articles are generally about specific things, not merely terms for things. If the basis for this entire article is that someone coined the term "soccer-specific stadium" and it's meant to only describe soccer stadiums in countries where soccer is not popular, I have to question whether or not that this article belongs in wikipedia at all.

2. If someone builds a baseball stadium in Brazil and calls it a "baseball-specific" stadium, does it suddenly merit a separate wikipedia article from every other baseball stadium? Is there a wikipedia article for all the baseball stadiums that exist in non-baseball countries? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.119.149.78 (talk) 22:47, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * As for point two, which is really a reductio ad absurdum argument to support your first point, no. There are clear notability guidelines for what does and doesn't merit an article. If you decided to call one stadium a "baseball-specific" stadium it doesn't merit a separate article either here or on the Brazilian version of Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:Notability guidelines. Soccer-specific stadium merits an article because it's a term used to describe a class of stadiums specific to areas of the world where soccer is not the primary sport. That term is widely used in the sport in North America to mean that thing. That's why it has an article. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:52, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you mean in Mexico too? (See title of this section.) And what IS the Korean situation? You're busily telling other people to fix it, but don't seem to know the answers yourself. Without meaningful definitions, clearly stated, early in the lead, this article is pointless. And DON'T tell me to fix it, because I can't tell what those definitions are. HiLo48 (talk) 03:19, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Not Mexico.
 * I didn't add South Korea so I don't know what that's about. It was here before my first edit. Ask Footwiks who is still active at times. It's tagged now, along with Australia, but I wouldn't complain if it was removed completely.
 * I'm not telling other people to fix it, I'm saying I don't have a problem with the prose so I don't see anything to fix. If you see a problem, fix it. I've explained the definition several times so perhaps it's not the article's problem but your comprehension that's the root. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:30, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * LOL. I don't think someone who excludes Mexico from North America is in any position to criticise others' comprehension. HiLo48 (talk) 03:42, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Good. I don't exclude it from North America so. Since my vehicle was built there and since it falls under North American Free Trade Agreement, I saved a lot of money. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:48, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Notable players who have refused to play on artificial turf
Since a lot of stadiums in the US have turf, I believe this fits best here.
 * Thierry Henry (New York Red Bulls)
 * Didier Drogba (Montreal Impact) --Abiete900 (talk) 21:00, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Clearly you think it should be listed, but this article is about soccer-specific stadiums, which, by definition have natural grass. Since turf is not the topic of this article, it is misplaced.

NCAA
Should we have a separate article listing all the NCAA soccer specific stadiums? The list on the current page is incomplete and there is a vast list of SSS's that exist at all levels of the collegiate game. Quidster4040 (talk) 22:20, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * How many NCAA stadiums are there? Perhaps the best option would be to list the stadiums that are over a certain capacity. That threshold could be 1,000 or 5,000. Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:46, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

BMO Field?
I'm a little confused as to why it's not included in the table? It is mentioned in the preceding paragraph that some minor changes have been made to accommodate CFL, but if that is the reason for excluding it from the table then there are others that should be excluded as well? You could argue this overlaps with the Expanding the definition subject, but I would like to address BMO field in particular, as it was built specifically for soccer, with adaptations required for Canadian Football. Also, its absence here is inconsistent with this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_soccer_stadiums_in_Canada which has BMO Field in bold, denoting a soccer-specific stadium. So if we're truly going to exclude BMO from the definition of a soccer-specific stadium then the other page should be adjusted for the sake of consistency. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.179.151.165 (talk) 23:33, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It's not a soccer-specific field now that the Argos play there too. Cheers. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:54, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * By that logic we need to remove the Stubhub Center now that an NFL team plays there FearNotMan (talk) 14:24, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:57, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

 * BBVA Compass also hosts gridiron. The definition of the ground as originally intended had little to do with whether or not the owners rented out the stadium to tenants in other sports, it simply meant that the stadium was designed specifically to the needs and dimensions of soccer with a soccer team as its primary tenant.  Hell I'd wager that noone bothered to look up whether any of these grounds are also hosting lacrosse or other sports.  Would that cause a change in classification?  This is overcomplicating the definition.  I understand that the idea is to avoid the question regarding Atlanta, or Seattle's stadiums, but both of those stadiums were designed as mixed-use stadiums. Not soccer specific. Simple.  unak   1978  06:22, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

 * This was on both lists (current MLS stadiums, and former soccer-specific). I've deleted it from the latter. While they do play CFL games there, it's a complete kludge, with the stands not extending far enough north, and the end zones being astroturf, laid next to the grass soccer pitch. It's very clear that the stadium is designed for soccer, with it's use for Canadian Football as an afterthought. It's a soccer-specific stadium, not soccer-exclusive stadium. (and it never was soccer-exclusive, having hosted numerous Rugby Union matches over the years, including hosting the Rugby sevens at the 2015 Pan American Games. Nfitz (talk) 23:16, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Indeed it is still Soccer Specific. Yes it hosts CFL after some modifications, but that doesn't change that it's original purpose, and primary tenant was for and is Toronto FC. And it still fits all the other criteria the article lists for the classification. Someone on the List of Major League Soccer Stadiums also removed the SSS classification for this and Dignity Health Sports Park for some reason. Gateman1997 (talk) 20:49, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Fifth Third Bank Stadium
Fifth Third Bank Stadium is listed as both a current SSS for Atlanta United 2 and a past SSS due to a renovation to make it a multi-purpose facility. It needs to be removed from one of the sections. Is anyone familiar enough with the renovations to determine to the extend it was converted? FearNotMan (talk) 16:23, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

MLS Next Pro stadiums
Hey all, do MLS Next Pro stadiums warrant their own category? If so, what would be the best solution for stadiums like Belson Stadium or Seatgeek Stadium that are already listed in another section but are a home stadium for an MLS Next Pro team? Metaphortune (talk) 02:19, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

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Green Green takes place in the countryside of Japan, at the isolated all-boys boarding school of Kanenone Gakuen (translated literally in English as "Sound of the Bell Academy"). Since there are no females for miles, the school is advertised as the "last remaining paradise for men on Earth". The Kanenone school board has begun talks to merge with an all-girls boarding school, in hopes of becoming a co-ed boarding school. This has the hormone-driven, girl-deprived male body of Kanenone thrilled.

Both schools decide to have a test run of sorts, having the girls from the all-girls school stay at Kanenone for a month, in order to see how the boys and girls can get along with one another. Yuusuke Takazaki, the main character, has his hands full with his "perverted" roommates, nicknamed the Baka ("Idiot") Trio. The Baka Trio - which consists of Bacchi-Gū, an overweight shameless pervert, Ichiban-Boshi, a self-proclaimed ladies man, and Tenjin, a gentle giant who has a "little sister" fetish - are incredibly excited that there will be girls around at their school.

When the buses containing the girls arrive, one girl named Midori Chitose excitedly disembarks first, leaping at and happily hugging a confused Yuusuke. Who is Midori and how does she know Yuusuke? The series focuses on answering this question and the antics of the Baka Trio.

Characters

 * Yuusuke Takasaki (高崎 祐介)
 * The main male lead, Yuusuke is perhaps the most "normal" of the boys at Kanenone. He is friends with the Baka Trio, but does not share their more perverted interests. Despite this, the Baka Trio consider Yuusuke to be a member of their group, and he usually finds himself forced or dragged along into involvement with their less-than-wholesome activities.
 * Yuusuke is implied to be the reincarnation of the boy from the tale of ill-fated lovers mentioned at the start of every episode, with Midori as his partner. However, Yuusuke appears to have no recollection of his past, and initially responds to Midori's affectionate advances by either pushing her away or treating her harshly. Only after recovering his past memories does he fall in love with her. Yuusuke also finds himself liking the tomboyish Futaba Kutsuki, creating a love triangle between the three main characters.
 * Yuusuke is implied to be the reincarnation of the boy from the tale of ill-fated lovers mentioned at the start of every episode, with Midori as his partner. However, Yuusuke appears to have no recollection of his past, and initially responds to Midori's affectionate advances by either pushing her away or treating her harshly. Only after recovering his past memories does he fall in love with her. Yuusuke also finds himself liking the tomboyish Futaba Kutsuki, creating a love triangle between the three main characters.

 * Tadatomo Ijuuin (伊集院 忠知) Bacchi-Gū (バッチグー)
 * Tadatomo is the overweight, long haired, leader and most perverted member of the Baka Trio who has no shame. The arrival of beautiful girls to Kanenone seems to send him out of control. He does things such as drinking the bath water the girls recently bathed in, to making a nipple print of his own nipples so he can imagine they belong to a girl. Bacchi-Gū is considered to be the lead comic relief of the series and is the male mascot of Green Green.
 * Tadatomo is the overweight, long haired, leader and most perverted member of the Baka Trio who has no shame. The arrival of beautiful girls to Kanenone seems to send him out of control. He does things such as drinking the bath water the girls recently bathed in, to making a nipple print of his own nipples so he can imagine they belong to a girl. Bacchi-Gū is considered to be the lead comic relief of the series and is the male mascot of Green Green.

 * Hikaru Ichiban-Boshi (一番星光)
 * Literally translated in English as "number one shining star," Ichiban-Boshi believes himself to be a suave ladies man. He has a book of pick-up lines to use on his new female classmates, but he always fails and makes a fool of himself. He is the least perverted member of the Baka Trio.
 * Literally translated in English as "number one shining star," Ichiban-Boshi believes himself to be a suave ladies man. He has a book of pick-up lines to use on his new female classmates, but he always fails and makes a fool of himself. He is the least perverted member of the Baka Trio.

 * Taizo Tenjin (天神 泰三)
 * Tenjin is the gentle giant of the Baka Trio. He has an odd fetish. He dreams of having Sanae consider him a big brother, and then she will sleep next to him... while he smells her and eats rice at the same time (a joke referring to the word okazu, which means both "meal" and "porn"). Sanae's young appearance makes him instantly attracted to her, but Sanae wants nothing to do with Tenjin.
 * Tenjin is the gentle giant of the Baka Trio. He has an odd fetish. He dreams of having Sanae consider him a big brother, and then she will sleep next to him... while he smells her and eats rice at the same time (a joke referring to the word okazu, which means both "meal" and "porn"). Sanae's young appearance makes him instantly attracted to her, but Sanae wants nothing to do with Tenjin.

 * Midori Chitose (千歳 みどり)
 * The main female lead, Midori is an outgoing and cheerful girl who seems to know Yuusuke and is in love with him. She seems willing to do anything for him, even filling out a form of perverted questions the Baka Trio gave her, hoping it will please Yuusuke. In the opening scene of the series, Midori narrates a tale about two people who were in love, but their love was forbidden at the time and they could not stay together. They promised each other to meet again in another life, hinting that Midori is the girl from the tale and somehow retained her memories, while Yuusuke is the boy from the tale, but he has not retained the memories of his past life. She is also noted to have D-cup breasts. She seemingly has no grasp at the effects some of her antics have wrought, such as climbing on top of a bedridden Yuusuke in the nurses' office while in lingerie, and hanging on to his arm after class ended. Her given name means "green" in Japanese, probably in reference to the name "Green Green".
 * The main female lead, Midori is an outgoing and cheerful girl who seems to know Yuusuke and is in love with him. She seems willing to do anything for him, even filling out a form of perverted questions the Baka Trio gave her, hoping it will please Yuusuke. In the opening scene of the series, Midori narrates a tale about two people who were in love, but their love was forbidden at the time and they could not stay together. They promised each other to meet again in another life, hinting that Midori is the girl from the tale and somehow retained her memories, while Yuusuke is the boy from the tale, but he has not retained the memories of his past life. She is also noted to have D-cup breasts. She seemingly has no grasp at the effects some of her antics have wrought, such as climbing on top of a bedridden Yuusuke in the nurses' office while in lingerie, and hanging on to his arm after class ended. Her given name means "green" in Japanese, probably in reference to the name "Green Green".

 * Futaba Kutsuki (朽木 双葉)
 * Futaba plays the role of the tough, boy-hating tsundere. She is less than enthusiastic about the co-ed trial run of the schools, and acts as the self-appointed protector of the girls against the boys of Kanenone. She is particularly disgusted by the antics of the Baka Trio, and does not hesitate to resort to physical violence against them as punishment for their indiscretions. After the Baka Trio pulls a humiliating prank on her, she decides to leave Kanenone immediately on her own. She gets lost and injured in the surrounding woods but is rescued by Yuusuke, who carries her back to Kanenone. This act of kindness, along with an earlier display of chivalry by Yuusuke to protect her modesty, sparks feelings inside her for the boy, and Futaba soon finds herself falling in love with Yuusuke. The two become a couple in Episode 13.
 * Futaba has a younger sister, Wakaba. She is also the main character in the H-game's second sequel, Green Green 3.
 * Futaba has a younger sister, Wakaba. She is also the main character in the H-game's second sequel, Green Green 3.

 * Reika Morimura (森村 麗花)
 * Reika is a mysterious person seems to know about the connection between Midori and Yuusuke. She seems to be intent on keeping the two apart, trying to put Futaba and other girls together with Yuusuke instead. She is noted to have E-cup breasts like Chigusa. Reika's motives are explained near the end of the series. Her given name in Japanese means "lovely flower".
 * Unlike the other characters, Reika was not in the H-game of Green Green. She was created as a new character for the television series.
 * Unlike the other characters, Reika was not in the H-game of Green Green. She was created as a new character for the television series.

 * Wakaba Kutsuki (朽木 若葉)
 * Wakaba is Futaba's younger sister. She shows a deep respect for Futaba, referring to her as onee-sama ("honored elder sister").
 * Wakaba is almost always seen carrying around her potted cactus, whom she named Togemura (literally translated as "thorn village"). Like some devoted plant lovers, Wakaba talks to Togemura as if it were a person; what is unusual is that Togemura appears to be able to communicate with Wakaba as well. Wakaba also uses Togemura as a fortune-telling device and as a weapon to defend herself and her friends, magical girl-style.
 * Wakaba is almost always seen carrying around her potted cactus, whom she named Togemura (literally translated as "thorn village"). Like some devoted plant lovers, Wakaba talks to Togemura as if it were a person; what is unusual is that Togemura appears to be able to communicate with Wakaba as well. Wakaba also uses Togemura as a fortune-telling device and as a weapon to defend herself and her friends, magical girl-style.

 * Sanae Minami (美南 早苗)
 * A friend of Wakaba, Sanae is a weak and shy girl who joins the trip to Kanenone because her doctors believe that the fresh country air will be beneficial to her health. Her need to take medication on a regular basis is highlighted in several episodes.
 * Sanae has a much younger appearance than the rest of the major female characters. This draws the attention of Tenjin, who has a fetish for "little sister" types. Unfortunately for Tenjin, his unusual and over-enthusiastic advances only frighten Sanae away. It is implied that Sanae begins to develop feelings for Yuusuke after he helps her.
 * Sanae has a much younger appearance than the rest of the major female characters. This draws the attention of Tenjin, who has a fetish for "little sister" types. Unfortunately for Tenjin, his unusual and over-enthusiastic advances only frighten Sanae away. It is implied that Sanae begins to develop feelings for Yuusuke after he helps her.

 * Chigusa Iino (飯野 千種)
 * Chigusa is the nurse at the all-girls boarding school. She came along on the trip as the girls' supervisor. The Baka Trio, especially Bacchi-Gū, are enamored by Chigusa's beauty and her E-cup breasts. Although she should be keeping the girls in order, Chigusa is very easy-going and actually encourages the girls to flirt with the boys.
 * Chigusa is the nurse at the all-girls boarding school. She came along on the trip as the girls' supervisor. The Baka Trio, especially Bacchi-Gū, are enamored by Chigusa's beauty and her E-cup breasts. Although she should be keeping the girls in order, Chigusa is very easy-going and actually encourages the girls to flirt with the boys.

 * Arisa Haruno (春乃 亜里紗)
 * A brash, bespectacled girl with braided hair who has rather vivid bishōnen sexual fantasies. Her apparent role in the anime is to provide comic relief from the side of the girls. Although her physical attributes manage to attract the attentions of the Baka Trio every now and then, the sight of her face is enough to put an end to any perverted thoughts they may have.
 * A brash, bespectacled girl with braided hair who has rather vivid bishōnen sexual fantasies. Her apparent role in the anime is to provide comic relief from the side of the girls. Although her physical attributes manage to attract the attentions of the Baka Trio every now and then, the sight of her face is enough to put an end to any perverted thoughts they may have.

 * Kenichi Hotta (堀田 健一)

 * Kenta Koyasu (子安 ケンタ)

 * Yasushi Todoroki (轟 やすし)

 * Itsuki Kobayashi (小林 樹)

OVAs
In December 2002, an original video animation (OVA) adaptation of Green Green was released. It had no relation to the television series. It starts off with the same plot, but instead of girls visiting Kanenone, it had a group of boys from Kanenone (Yuusuke, the Baka Trio, and some others) visiting the all-girl boarding school.

Three Character OVA DVDs were also released in Japan under the title Green Green Character DVDs; "Sanae & Wakaba" was released on November 19, 2003, "Futaba & Chigusa" on December 17, 2003, and "Midori & Reika" on January 21, 2004. Each Character DVD included a short 8-10 minute yuri story all of which include a sex or nude scene involving the two female title characters, a music video for each of the title characters, and other extras with a total running time of 33–38 minutes each. In the North American Media Blaster's release most of the contents of the Character DVDs can be found as extras on each DVD with the short stories labeled as untranslated E-cup breasts episodes.

An OVA entitled Green Green: Erolutions (グリーングリーンエロリューションズ) was released in May 2004 as the thirteenth and concluding episode of the television series. The episode was not included in the United States release.

Music
Opening Theme:
 * "Guri Guri"
 * Lyrics by: milktub
 * Composition by: milktub
 * Arrangement by: Takehiro Wakabe
 * Song by: Hiromi Satou

Ending Theme:
 * "Blue Sky" (青空)
 * Lyrics by: milktub
 * Composition by: milktub
 * Arrangement by: Hitoshi Fujima (Elements Garden)
 * Song by: YURIA

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I note that the DVD version has cuts due to rights issues. This may be why it has never been repeated. Does anyone know what the cuts are? Its common for shows of this period to have rights problems with music not cleared for home video release. It may be more than this though. Maybe somebody knows. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.112.58 (talk) 13:11, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The cuts will be background music in pub scenes and the like, it is very common. 'Only Fools…' DVDs have a lot of these. The BBC can play chart hits in the background when they broadcast but GOLD and home release would have to be okayed by the rights holder so some scenes tend to be edited down a bit or have the soundtrack redone. By the late '90's the BBC would dub in background music in post production.

Does anyone think we should mention the fact that the third episode was postponed due to the Jamie Bulger incident (for the ridiculous reason that it showed children in a supermarket)? .. Might not have been Bulger actually, the incident in which two children were taken from a supermarket. Or perhaps a child took another child from a supermarket. And then there was a railway track involved, it's all very nasty. "Apparently the BBC's refusal to rebroadcast or release the series on DVD is due to the series final episode implying racism in the Police."
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.81.33.2 (talk) 18:27, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I might remove this as it sounds very unlikely, unless someone has a source. There are lots of TV series that haven't been repeated or had a DVD release, there's not necessarily any sinister reason behind it. JW 16:21, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

The scaffolding falls on Godfrey Spry's head in England and not in Spain. His wife is not killed by the falling scaffolding but is viciously murdered by rioting football hooligans on her holiday to either Hungary or Germany.

The reason why it was not repeated according to the British newspapers at the time was along the lines that it was 'too depressing' to be aired again. (Stu Woolgar, 31/10/2005)

 * It's probably because it represents real public broadcasting values: here advertising is life-destroying falsehood. At a time when the BBC is preparing to whore itself out to the highest bidder, manned almost entirely by people who would work for commercial TV if it paid them enough, it's an unpalatable reminder of how great they so recently were.

I agree - complaints about dead ducks (the duck was made of silk actually) and racism are contrived. The reason this gem is almost impossible to get hold of is simply its politics, which were fairly lefty and elegant at the time, and would now seem like Marxist TV, made all the 'worse' by being convincing and slickly done. Not allowed I guess.

The title, by the way, is a reference to the "If you see Sid, tell him" TV advertising campaign for the privatisation of British Gas. One of the writers told me that the cutesy, faux-chummy style used to promote privatisation prompted them to write the show.

Removed the BBC link because it's dead.Xcvzxcvzxcvxcvzxcv (talk) 18:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

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Robbie Brookside

Robert Edward Brooks (born 11 March 1966), better known by his ring name Robbie Brookside, is a retired English professional wrestler. He is currently signed to WWE, where he works as a trainer/producer for the NXT brand. He has toured all over the world during his career, wrestling in the United States, Japan, Germany, and Mexico. He was a regular tag partner of Steve Regal in the United Kingdom and has competed in the New Japan Pro-Wrestling's annual tournament, the Super J Cup, in 1997, where he picked up a victory over Chris Jericho.

Professional wrestling career
Brooks was discovered by Bobby Barron, who invited him to wrestle at the Pleasure Beach in Blackpool, and Brian Dixon, who got Brooks some jobs on the holiday camps with established wrestlers such as Steve Adonis. Wrestling as Robbie Brookside (a name given to him by Dixon, in reference to the Channel 4 soap Brookside), he first appeared on television in Britain for All Star Wrestling, first for Screensport in 1985-1986 and then for ITV in 1987–1988. During this period, he tag-teamed regularly with Steve Regal as The Golden Boys. Their most notable match was against Kendo Nagasaki and "Blondie" Barrett at a late 1988 TV taping in Bedworth in which Brookside unmasked Nagasaki who retaliated by hypnotizing Brookside to turn on Regal, causing their team to lose the match. This started an angle, running on after the end of TV and into the 1990s in which Nagasaki would hypnotize Brookside into assisting and even tag partnering him. Throughout the late 1980s and early 1990s Brookside also regularly wrestled on Orig Williams' Welsh language wrestling show Reslo on S4C.

Brookside won his first title after World Heavy-Middleweight Champion "Rollerball" Mark Rocco retired and Brookside won the vacant title in a tournament. The following year, he lost it to Frank "Chic" Cullen. After Regal increasingly began wrestling overseas, Brookside then teamed with Doc Dean as The Liverpool Lads, together winning the British Tag Team Championship. During this period, Brookside produced a Video Diary for BBC2 including footage inside the ring (including the Liverpool Lads' 21 January 1993 tag title loss to Steve Prince and Vic Powers in Norwich) and backstage footage, as well as a tour of Germany and a visit to the United States to reunite with Regal, by then working for WCW. Frankie Sloan later teamed with Brookside as The Liverpool Lads in place of Dean. In 1996, Brookside got the chance to wrestle in Germany for the Catch Wrestling Association through his contact with the group, Dave "Fit" Finlay. From then through to the turn of the century, Brookside could be found wrestling across many promotions in Europe and won many titles during his travels.

Brookside spent six months in the U.S. wrestling for World Championship Wrestling, including several matches on Nitro, WCW's main TV shown worldwide. On 25 April 2005, he had a dark match on World Wrestling Entertainment's Raw during a taping of the show in the UK, losing to Simon Dean. When WWE once again returned to England, Brookside joined other British wrestlers Thunder and Steve Lewington as part of the WWE security squad that helped keep the warring Raw and SmackDown! wrestlers apart.

Brookside continued to wrestle in and around the UK and remained one of the top British wrestlers, winning many of the top titles in the UK. Brookside became the first-ever Real Quality Wrestling Heavyweight Champion on 29 April 2006, defeating former WWE and WCW Superstar Billy Kidman during a match at RQW's A Night of Champions event. Brookside would later go on to win the Frontier Wrestling Alliance's British Heavyweight Championship at the FWA Summer Classic in a no-DQ elimination three-way match, finally pinning Jonny Storm after then-champion Hade Vansen, who was eliminated first, returned to the ring and hit Storm with his South City Driller finishing move.

Though FWA Champion, Brookside was in fact wrestling under the banner of another promotion, All Star Wrestling. Brookside remained an All-Star wrestler throughout his reign, with various FWA wrestlers trying to take back "their" championship. During this time, Brookside vacated his RQW Heavyweight title and left the promotion. Brookside also took an interest in the future of the business by going on to train future wrestlers, eventually opening his own Leicester-based wrestling school, Wrestleicester, in late 2006.

Brookside appeared on the 23 April 2007 episode of Raw, losing a no disqualification, 3-on-1 handicap match to Shane McMahon, Vince McMahon, and Umaga. Brookside was introduced as a man that Shane McMahon had personally seen take down six men by himself in a fight at a local pub. Brookside has also had WWE matches against Snitsky and Maven. Brookside wrestled around the country in 2008, including defeating James Mason in a World of Sport rules match at Maesteg Town Hall.

In February 2008, Brookside won All Star Wrestling British Heavyweight Championship for the second time but was forced to vacate the title in May 2009 due to injury. At a WWE house show in Birmingham on 7 November 2011, William Regal announced that Brookside was in the crowd and credited him with his success as well as that of Sheamus and Wade Barrett.

In 2013, Brookside, who had already been working as a talent scout for WWE, began working as a coach in WWE's developmental system, NXT, also ending his career in the active competition after nearly 30 years. Brookside made an appearance on the 16 February 2015 episode of Raw, separating a brawl between Daniel Bryan and Roman Reigns.

According to Pro Wrestling Torch in 2017, Brookside teaches the beginner class at the WWE Performance Center, the first of four levels of classes.

Personal life
Brooks daughter Xia-Louise is also a wrestler, best known for her tenure in World Wonder Ring Stardom and in WWE as part of the now defunct NXT UK brand and currently works for Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA).

Championships and accomplishments

 * All Action Wrestling
 * AAW North East Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
 * All Star Wrestling
 * ASW British Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
 * ASW British Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Doc Dean
 * ASW World Heavy-Middleweight Championship (1 time)
 * Catch Wrestling Association
 * CWA British Commonwealth Championship (1 time)
 * CWA Intercontinental Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
 * CWA World Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Cannonball Grizzly
 * European Wrestling Promotion
 * EWP Intercontinental Championship (2 times)
 * Ironman Hardcore Knockout Tournament (2001)
 * European Wrestling Union
 * European Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
 * European Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Doc Dean
 * Manfred Koch Memorial Cup (2001)
 * Frontier Wrestling Alliance
 * FWA British Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
 * FWA European Union Championship (1 time)
 * New Alliance of Wrestling Athletes
 * NAWA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
 * Premier Promotions
 * PWF Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
 * Premier Wrestling Federation
 * Worthing Trophy (1995, 1999, 2005)
 * Ken Joyce Trophy (2004, 2006, 2009)
 * Wrestler of the Year (1995, 2005)
 * Professional Wrestling Alliance
 * PWA European Championship (2 times)
 * Real Quality Wrestling
 * RQW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
 * The Wrestling Alliance
 * TWA British Heavyweight Champion (2 times)
 * TWA British Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Doug Williams (1)
 * TWA Hardcore Championship (1 time)
 * Westside Xtreme Wrestling
 * wXw World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
 * wXw Hall of Fame (Class of 2019)

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Black Magic (disambiguation)

Black magic refers to evil supernatural magic.

Black magic may also refer to:

Film and television

 * Black Magic (1929 film), directed by George B. Seitz
 * Black Magic (1944 film), a Charlie Chan film
 * Black Magic (1949 film) (aka Cagliostro), directed by Gregory Ratoff and starring Orson Welles
 * Black Magic (1975 film), a Hong Kong film
 * Black Magic (1987 film), a Filipino comedy film starring Dolphy
 * Black Magic (1992 film), starring Rachel Ward and Judge Reinhold
 * Black Magic (2019 film), starring Kelly Brook

Comics and games

 * Black Magic (comics), a horror anthology begun in 1950
 * Black Magic (video game), a 1987 computer game by Datasoft
 * Black Magic (manga), a 1983 manga series written by Masamune Shirow, with an OVA made in 1987

Books

 * Black Magic (book), a 1928 travel book by Paul Morand
 * The Black Magician trilogy of books by Trudi Canavan

Products

 * Black Magic (chocolates), a packaged chocolate assortment manufactured by Nestlé
 * Blackmagic Design, a manufacturer of professional video equipment
 * Black magic (programming), computer science jargon for arcane programming techniques

Transport

 * Black Magic (yacht), NZL 32, the winning yacht in the 1995 America's Cup regatta, sailing for New Zealand
 * Black Magic, a de Havilland DH.88 Comet aircraft

Albums

 * Black Magic (Magic Sam album), 1968
 * Black Magic (Martha Reeves and the Vandellas album), 1972
 * Black Magic (Jimmy Cliff album), 2004
 * Black Magic (Swollen Members album), or the title track, 2006
 * Black Magic (Yemi Alade album), 2017

Songs

 * "Black Magic" (Little Mix song), 2015
 * "Black Magic" (Baker Boy song), 2018
 * "Black Magic" (Eminem song), 2020
 * "Black Magic" (Jonasu song), 2020
 * "Black Magic", by Beach House, from the EP Become
 * "Black Magic", by Slayer from Show No Mercy
 * "Black Magic", by Dan the Banjo Man, 1974
 * "Black Magic", by Magic Wands, 2008
 * "Black Magic", short name of "That Old Black Magic", a 1942 popular song

Artists

 * Blackmagic (musician), a Nigerian rapper, singer, and songwriter

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Star Awards 2005

Star Awards 2005 was the 12th Star Awards ceremony, held on 4 December 2005. It was part of the annual Star Awards organised by MediaCorp for MediaCorp TV Channel 8. Following MediaCorp's merger with SPH MediaWorks on 1 January 2005, the nominees included artistes from the former SPH MediaWorks Channel U, many of whom were former employees of MediaCorp and its predecessor Television Corporation of Singapore. MediaCorp TV Channel 8 broadcast the awards ceremony from 7:00 pm to 10:00 pm while SPH MediaWorks Channel U (now MediaCorp TV Channel U), aired the ceremony for the first time and began broadcasting the ceremony at 7:30 pm.

Prior to the actual ceremony, a separate awards ceremony and gala was held at The Fullerton Hotel in which technical category awards (e.g. Best Director, Best Screenplay, etc.) and the Young Talent Award (child actors) were given out.

The show lasted three hours and saw four artistes winning two awards each, namely Bryan Wong (Best Comedy Performer, Top 10 Most Popular Male Artistes), Chen Hanwei (Best Actor, Top 10 Most Popular Male Artistes), Huang Biren (Best Actress, Top 10 Most Popular Female Artistes) and Quan Yi Fong (Best Variety Show Host, Top 10 Most Popular Female Artistes).

Winners and nominees
Unless otherwise stated, the winners are listed first, highlighted in boldface, or highlighted.

Backstage Achievement Awards Ceremony
As like preceding ceremonies, Professional and Technical Awards were presented before the main ceremony via a clip montage due to time constraints. Unless otherwise stated, the lists of winners are only reflected in the table.

Special Award
This award is a special achievement award given out to artiste(s) who have achieved a maximum of 10 popularity awards over 10 years. Top 10 winning years the recipients were awarded together are highlighted in boldface.

Guests Performers
The following individuals presented awards or performed musical numbers.

Star Awards 2006 accolades
The ceremony did not receive nominations for the Best Variety Special in the 2006 ceremony; this was the last time the ceremony did not receive nominations until the 2018 ceremony, 13 years later (in the case, said category was not presented at the time).

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. — J I P | Talk 05:48, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Comedy Zone
This website doesn't appear notable, and it has pop-ups and other prominent ads. It was created by a user whose only other contributions were adding www.comedy-zone.net as an external link to other articles. Wmahan. 16:23, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete sounds like we've got a spammer in the works. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 17:49, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. SPAM RAUS! The Land 18:36, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Spam. Andrew pmk | Talk 01:17, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete If you think it's spam, by all means delete it. It is however a notable site and I used it to practise my first edits thinking that it wouldn't be perceived that way as it's a reputable comedy site in an area that got loads of ad laden sites in it (there's only one pop-up on the entire 5,000 page plus site by the way). I certainly won't be adding any external links to any edits I do again here, that's for sure! Tuneless | Talk 17:30, 13 October 2005 (GMT)
 * Your efforts are apprecated. I wasn't implying that there's anything wrong with the site, just that it didn't seem particularly notable. As you pointed out, there does seem to be a lot of spam on comedy-related pages. And as I just explained on your talk page, it's certainly nothing personal. -- Wmahan. 22:44, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I appeared a little defensive in my response, I've read up on lots of editing info now (that perhaps I should have read before I started editing, I know - but we all know what men and instruction manuals are like don't we!), and can understand why my edits might well be construed as spam. I'd like to reiterate though that any notion of intentional spamming is simply not the case. The Comedy Zone is a very popular site and doesn't need to use spamming tactics to get more visitors, so I'd rather that any edits that are questionable in this area are simply deleted (including this page, although I personally believe that it's valid), as I've no desire to be even remotely associated with such nefarious activities. Tuneless | Talk 10:25, 14 October 2005 (GMT)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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"Mailinator" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Mailinator. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 15 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 19:42, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

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User:JesseStu

 * JesseStu on Twitter with a podcast.

title: User:JesseStu