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Seamen's Institute was an institute training seamen in Hong Kong located at 8, Praya East which is now the Harcourt Building at Gloucester Road, Wan Chai.

In the early days of Hong Kong Scouting, the Boy Scouts Association, Hong Kong Branch conducted non-regular activities in the institute. The Colony Commissioner, the Reverend George Turner Waldegrave, of the branch was the chaplain in charge of the Seamen's Institute.

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Talk:List of English homographs

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Given that "des", "en", "oblige", "riches", "terrible" and "vie" only occur in their differing pronunciations as part of various foreign phrases (as in "en route", "noblesse oblige", "nouveaux riches", "enfant terrible", "la vie en rose"; I can't think of an example right now for "des", except for "Des Moines", and I don't know how that is pronounced), to what extent can they be considered English heteronyms? The fact that they only occur in phrases also makes their inclusion dubious, in my opinion. — Paul G 14:44, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Likewise with "dos" ("dos-a-dos"?) and "voyage" ("bon voyage"). — Paul G 14:22, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't know how to do the pronunciation stuff, but could someone add the example of resign? As in 'resign to one's fate' and 'resign the contract.' MrCheshire 04:02, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Most homographs beginning with re are hyphenated (at least in UK English) in the "again" sense to aid the pronunciation; hence "to re-sign the contract", "the band have re-formed". These are therefore not really homographs. — Paul G 07:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Wiktionary's list
Contributors to this list might like to refer to Wiktionary's list of heteronyms (a heteronym being a word having two different pronunciations but the same spelling, in contrast to a homograph, which is two distinct (in that they have different etymologies) words spelled the same way). This list is partly based on the homographs listed here in dickapedia and has been extended. — Paul G 07:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

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Ops....SORRY? :)

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Celtic Mobile(3) is offensive.
 * To whom? To people who think living in a trailer is shameful? You offend my grandmother with your assertion that it's "offensive" to live in a trailer. (BTW, if I suggest that there are ghettos in Harlem or East St. Louis, will you find that offensive, too?) TheEditrix2 15:04, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

something that u do is in valid just like if you have a password and u misspelled it the computer will say this password is invalid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.164.68.159 (talk) 13:28, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Pitch
Should the word 'pitch' (as in: cricket/tar/angle of roof/"sales pitch"/frequency of sound) be added? 203.219.31.68 (talk) 15:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC) when you pitch u throw a ball to a person who have a baseball bat —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.164.68.159 (talk) 13:23, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Some other words missing
This list should include 'arm', 'fair', 'fast', 'ground', 'left' and 'sound'. I'll try to come up with some examples. Schmorgluck (talk) 13:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC) i have a pussy cat but pussy could mean more things other than a cat that name is a pussy

Some other obvious omissions: RIGHT: not left / not wrong / opposite of 'duty' LEFT: not right / departed / remaining MEAN: signify / average / opposite of 'nice' (US) / opposite of 'generous' (UK) PRESENT: current / in attendance / gift / introduce CURRENT: present / flow WINDY: draughty / twisting SPELL: write letter by letter / period / hex COLON: in punctuation / in alimentary canal CROSS: X+ / somewhat angry CONTRACT: legal agreement / shrink

sake
Should sake be included?
 * Purpose (n), as in for its own sake, or for the sake of argument, or for old times' sake
 * Japanese rice wine (n)

These seem to be two different meanings with different pronounciation and etymology. Coyets (talk) 14:30, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

tender
tender could mean like legal tender, or like tasty, soft meat... look in Hamlet, Polonius uses this kind of wordplay.

The word "tender" can also be a verb, meaning "offer" or "give"; it's also a "person who tends to or takes care of" someone else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.246.252.97 (talk) 09:11, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

IPAc-en conversion
The addition of mouse-over pronunciation guides gave a warning, 'Warning: This page contains too many expensive parser function calls.' Is this a large problem? -- deflective (talk) 10:41, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

"Bat" and "Bear"?
Re the introduction, I don't see how "bat" and "bear" are an example of homographs whose meanings have diverged. "Bat" and "bear" aren't homographs at all. Am I missing something? Jzimba (talk) 13:39, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Two years later, I finally get it. There is no connection being claimed between "bat" and "bear." Rather, each is an example of the stated phenomenon. I'm going to delete "bear" since only one example is strictly necessary, and at least on first reading I found this pretty confusing. --Jzimba (talk) 01:28, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Two kinds of homographs
As noted in the second sentence, there are two kinds of homographs, the kind that are pronounced the same (homophones) and the kind that are prounounced differently. Currently, the latter type is called "heteronym," and this is a standard term. But there is another standard term for words that are pronounced differently, "heterophone," and this is actually clearer since it is Greek for 'different sound,' which is the literal description of the class. Indeed, the Wiki page for "heteronym" says "(also known as a heterophone)." So I have added this parenthetical to the article here as well. Jzimba (talk) 15:34, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

May
Someone has tagged the word "may" as being dubious, but failed to start the discussion. Is there any reason for this tag to remain? Per Wiktionary, "may" has the well-known verb form (permission or possibility, and others) as well as a noun form (an alternative name for the Hawthorn bush, or its flowers). Doesn't seem very dubious to me but waiting for others to provide input. Etamni | ✉ | ✓ 01:28, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

I may have been born in the month of May. BobGreenwade (talk) 23:09, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Words starting with "re"
I came to copyedit but can't for the life of me figure out what this is trying to say: "When the prefix "re-" is added to a monosyllabic word, the hi word gains currency both as a noun and as a verb." What is "the hi word" supposed to mean? New? And while most examples I can think of are monosyllabic, (refuse, replay, reshoot, reform, recall, recap, recharge) the pattern works at least occasionally for polysyllabic words, too (redesign). And then there are cases where a word with a "re-" prefix has verb and adjective meanings (reanimate). --FLRdorothy (talk) 20:03, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Proper nouns on this list
I noticed there were several proper nouns on this list, specifically ones that referred to more than one specified place (Washington, Djibouti, etc.) I think it might be better to remove those? The amount of place names that could equally be considered homographs are far too numerous. UrsaMajr (talk) 13:44, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

I agree completely. Similarly, there are a huge number of words (other than proper nouns) where different meanings have diverged from the original meaning. These are far too numerous too, and it would be better to remove them from the list.Ehrenkater (talk) 10:47, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Homograph and their meanings with the parts of speech their are
Homograph and their meanings with the parts of speech their are 102.90.57.247 (talk) 18:45, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

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Homograph and their meanings with the parts of speech their are 102.90.57.247 (talk) 18:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Ho-Oh

Ho-oh
Why did Ho-oh appear in the first episode? Is it foreshadowing the Gold and Silver games? The 100 new pokemon?? Every time I see that scene I get so confused on why they showed Ho-oh??

 * It's all of those. It's basically to show that there are still Pokémon to be discovered.  And, as mentioned in the article, it shadows Feng-Huang in showing itself to those who are supposed to become great heroes or sages.  MasterXiam 22:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

 * It probably had nothing to do with the Gold and Silver games. Even if Nintendo was already working on them in early '97, the anime producers probably didn't know about them. It was probably just a Pokémon based on the Fenghuang. Then Nintendo decided to incorporate it into the new games. The anime introduced double battles long before Ruby and Sapphire too, so the transfer of ideas between the games & anime isn't entirely one way. 68.47.234.131 00:11, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Certain people say that Ho-oh was supposed to be in the original games, planned from the beginning, but was edited out. Arcanine was also supposed to be a legendary (Episode 2 has a picture of Arcanine with the Legendary Birds)

er... guys? the Hōō is also a major mythical beast in the japanese mythology, based on the chinese Fenghuang... it's not like the pokemon people invented it... maybe at least some mention of this would be in order, don't you think? 213.172.234.103 13:40, 7 January 2006 (UTC) agreed. thanks for the edit. (as far as that goes, maybe the site for the chinese phoenix could use a sentence or two describing any possible differences between the chinese and the japanese bird) it was a minor quibble anyway, i was just slightly surprised to come to this site looking for mythology info and find a rabid fan site centered on a cartoon character and totaly oblivious to the actual mythological origins of it.213.172.246.86 13:30, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think the Japanese Ho-oh needs a separate article from Fenghuang, and it's mentioned in the first paragraph. Kappa 04:10, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * In light of your comment I've created a disambiguation page which should be less confusing to non-pokemon fans. Kappa 13:39, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

GBA BASE
HO-oh is found in pokemon gold and silver

Congratulations, CAPTAIN OBVIOUS. Blue Mirage 08:21, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Ho-Oh or Ho-oh?
Which is it? Both seem to be used in the article. Ryulong 22:39, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

It's Ho-oh. Just trust me. Unknown Shadow 14:58, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

 * No. It's Ho-Oh.  You must bring your source otherwise.
 * The text written on the back side of the Game Boy Advance Video that contains the episodes For Ho-Oh The Bells Toll and A Hot Water Battle has it written that way. Picture.
 * Nintendo's page for this game refers to this legendary Pokémon as Ho-Oh. Nintendo page for the GBA video game pak.
 * Pokémon TCG Official Site also uses this denomination. Pictures: 1 & 2.
 * Pokémon Center also uses this spelling on its item pages. Pages: 1 & 2
 * This article's title and all the appearances of the Ho-oh name have to be rewritten. Please discuss this as soon as possible. Nidorino 04:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Even the article shows a card with Ho-Oh on it (including its name). It's spelled Ho-Oh, naturally: (picture page).  In the game, every Pokémon's species name is written in upper case (like HO-OH); that's why there's no way to tell the correct spelling of this name. Somebody discuss this soon. Nidorino 06:16, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Pic
what happened to image? Shandristhe azylean 19:09, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Question?
I didn't saw Ho-oh fighting in the episodes and Movies of Pokemon that I saw, So did Ho-oh fought any Pokemon or used any of his Attacks, Also did Ash met Ho-oh colsely like other Pokemons (Mew, Mewtwo, Luigia, etc).Astrys 22:08, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Ho-oh did a fly-by at the end of the very first anime episode. As far as I can tell, it hasn't participated in any battles yet.  -SaturnYoshi 00:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I see, But why they didn't create a movie for Ho-oh until now, Ho-oh is a pokemon after all I can't find a reason for why they didn't make Ho-oh participate in any battle, Also since Ho-oh didn't fought any Pokemon is it that the designers create his attacks just for games?, I really hope that the designers would make a movie about Ho-oh because I want to know much about the life of this Pokemon, I want to see Ho-oh fighting because I want to know if he is a very strong pokemon or what? Astrys 20:49, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm not real sure if they ever plan on featuring Ho-oh in the anime in any battles. I doesn't seem to be a popular choice, probably because of the already established fire bird, Moltres.  Then again, maybe it's not long now before it gets it's own movie.  Raikou has not been centralized in any movie either.  And the Groudon in the Jirachi movie wasn't a real Pokémon.  - Saturn  Yoshi  THE VOICES 02:51, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Hoopoe?
Do you think Hoopoe in the mythical sense was an inspiration for this creature? Siyavash 18:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No, given its attacks and the fact it's a fire type, it's more likely the Phoenix was the inspiration. Further, none of the Ho-Oh's traits match the Hoopoe's mythical connotations. -Jeske (v^_^v) 18:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Biological Characteristics
There is about a paragraph and a half of game information that has nothing to do with Ho-Oh's biological characteristics at all. This should be removed or put into a different subject. HaLoGuY007 02:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Sacred Fire
I thought Ho-Oh learned Sacred Fire in Generation III games, just at level 77. Anyone confirm this? Currently the article says or implies that Ho-Oh doesn't learn it at all in Generation III and to some extent IV. crazyviolinist 16:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I would check the official strategy guides, but remember that we can't be specific on what levels it learnes moves, even sig moves. -Jeske ( v^_^v ) 18:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It learns it, but no longer at basic level.Eriorguez 18:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Protected?
Hi, I noticed this page was fully protected. I otherwise wouldn't care but it is a double redirect. Can an administrator or hacker please fix it? Thanks. Tez kag 72 21:42, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

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Just noticed your old note on my talk page; sorry I don't look there often. Thanks for removing OC-96, but someone has put it back. I removed it again, and will try to pay attention to it. Jpgs (talk) 16:49, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

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Talk:List of counties in Michigan

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I'm not sure where to bring this up, but most of the maps on the county pages have an error: they show two Isle Royales (or would it be Isles Royale?) to the left of Keweenaw county, as in  this map. The smaller island should be erased, to appear as in this map.

For what it's worth, the following counties are the only ones with a correct map, the rest showing the incorrect maps:
 * Allegan County, Michigan
 * Bay County, Michigan
 * Benzie County, Michigan
 * Berrien County, Michigan
 * Calhoun County, Michigan
 * Cass County, Michigan
 * Clinton County, Michigan
 * Eaton County, Michigan
 * Ingham County, Michigan
 * Jackson County, Michigan
 * Kalamazoo County, Michigan
 * Keweenaw County, Michigan
 * Livingston County, Michigan
 * Monroe County, Michigan
 * Muskegon County, Michigan
 * Presque Isle County, Michigan
 * Saginaw County, Michigan
 * St. Clair County, Michigan
 * Wayne County, Michigan

—Kairotic 05:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The rest of the maps can be found at this page on Commons. They can be substituted for the bad maps. Rmhermen 05:51, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject help
Some helpful information on U.S. county lists can be found at WP:COUNTYLISTS. Tom pw (talk) (review) 16:26, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Boundary changes?
Two interesting quotes from the article: What is the first sentence supposed to mean — perhaps that there haven't been new counties since then? Nyttend (talk) 03:44, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "The boundaries of counties in the U.S. state of Michigan have not changed since 1897."
 * "This transfer of territory from St. Clair to Macomb was the first and only county boundary change in Michigan since the early 20th century."

Land/Water area
I've noticed that in many county lists, counties that appear to be small or average-size on a map are ranked as the biggest counties in the state because they border a large body of water. For example, Ontonogan County is ranked as the largest in Michigan, when its land area is actually smaller than that of some other counties. Should we change every "List of counties in ________" article so that the area shown is the actual land area, or should we stick with total area? —Reelcheeper (talk) 23:09, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Stick with total area. Below is a map showing the true boundaries of Michigan counties. This map was used on the List of counties in Michigan at one time, but was replace with the current map that doesn't show the true boundaries. (By the way, Keweenaw County is the largest in Michigan.) Phizzy [[Image:SimpleMichigan.svg|30x15px]]  12:36, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * [[Image:MichiganCounties.svg|thumb|350px|left|Counties of Michigan]]

Total area is not a very useful statistic. It may be interesting for trivia junkies, but people do not generally live on water. Land area is a much more useful piece of information, and would standardize this article with a majority of other articles on U.S. counties per state and their areas. 2600:1700:3AE0:1F60:D6B:7ED4:780F:5B35 (talk) 20:29, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * True. Trying to evaluate population densities, for instance, gives odd results. All other county lists, as I can see (Template:U.S. Counties), use land areas. Only Maine and Michigan lists are out of tune. I may try to fix it if I have time. — 2dk (talk) 19:20, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

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1) The mission of Wikipedia is to produce a reference work. Volunteer editors are encouraged to contribute sourced information and to discuss the appropriateness of the inclusion and arrangement of information. This sort of dialogue serves to advance the mission of Wikipedia. The posting of inflammatory comments disrupts productive editing activity What_Wikipedia_is_not and What_Wikipedia_is_not.

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 * We are not threshing grain here. Fred Bauder 03:45, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

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Removing comments on Talk page in violation of Guidelines
1) has, especially since this arbitration process began, violated Wikipedia guidelines repeatedly by altering or removing comments he considers to be critical. Now, he has even created a "banned" list of people that he instantly removes all comments from. Evidence presented by me has many, many examples of this behavior and he keeps doing this on a daily basis.

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Discourtesy and personal attacks by BigDaddy777
1) has frequently failed to assume good faith, been discourteous and engaged in personal attacks, see Requests_for_comment/BigDaddy777 for many more examples of trolling.

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 * The edit BD cites is lame to be sure, but the implication that the editor was mentally disabled is inappropriate. Fred Bauder 03:27, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * A skilled troller can successfully bait the unwitting and disrupt productive dialogue Fred Bauder 03:38, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

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 * "Discourtesy and personal attacks" just doesn't do enough to describe BigDaddy's abhorrent behavior. Even on this Arbitration's own Evidence talkpage BigDaddy continues his incessant barrage of insolence. Mr. Tibbs 06:25, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

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Suspected sockpuppets of BigDaddy777
2) Suspected sockpuppets include, , editing from .  and  also suspected, see Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR and Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR. Focus on sockpuppets is possibly due to bravado by BD, "Don't try to block me. Be reasonable and accountable in your reporting as I have a hundred IP's to choose from.".

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 * Results of ip check Fred Bauder 13:04, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Since dynamic ip addresses are involved it is likely that some of the "suspects" are not BigDaddy777. Analysis of editing patterns is necessary to confirm identity. Fred Bauder 21:49, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

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 * Who cares? None of this alleged sockpuppetry is relevent in the least. Hipocrite - « Talk » 13:59, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, it is, because using sockpuppets to circumvent the 3rr is not permitted. Also, using sockpuppets to create the illusion of support for your arguments is frowned upon. Guettarda 14:12, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I would suggest the sockpuppetry is very relevant. BD777 has used sockpuppets on the Coulter page in an attempt to build a false consensus.  He is also using sockpuppets on this page (and on comments since posted on the Talk and Evidence pages) to attempt to bluster, confuse, and distract from the issue at hand. Eleemosynary 01:21, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

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 * I have used the IP Address 64.154.26.251 to post from. I also post from a dynamic IP Address, which includes a large range under the 216.119.etc. series, including 216.119.139.77.  I am not Big Daddy.  I have expressed my concerns about sockpuppetry in an incident unknown to me claimed by David Gerard to have used on the first account at .  I have never heard of and am not users Paganviking, Barneygumble or LEONARD WATSON.  I have never sockpuppeted, i.e. used one account to pretend to address to another I had used.  As I have said I have no control and am not the user at the 67.124.etc. series, and is now user:67124etc.  I am willing to reveal my general location on a need-to-know basis.  I am willing to participate in a large public online chat such as Yahoo Chat with an arbitrator to confirm I am neither Big Daddy nor 67.154.26.251.  I am also willing to rehearse some of the contributions I have made over the past two years.  Signed 216.119.139.73 09:31, 5 October 2005 (UTC) P.S.  To be perfectly clear, by Big Daddy I mean User:BigDaddy777.  I have also never seen an edit history item of the 216.119.etc. series that I didn't write.  I have never communicated with Big Daddy, except through Wikipedia pages.  Signed 216.119.139.73 09:49, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I cannot believe that is a sockpuppet of BigDaddy777.  They are nothing alike.  They have never even edited the same articles.  Gumble has been around much longer, first editing on 2005-06-13, while BigDaddy first edited on 2005-09-01.  BigDaddy is much more prolific and expresses control-freak behavior on his talk page; Gumble does not seem to have ever done anything like this.  BigDaddy can't seem to do anything but make personal attacks; while Gumble might have engaged in this, he seems focused on editing articles.  Meanwhile,  and  have never actually made any edits, so I fail to see how they can be sockpuppets!   makes real edits that don't sound like anything BigDaddy would ever do such as, has been around peacefully editing articles such as Ann Coulter much longer than BigDaddy , and uses words like "trifecta": .  BigDaddy does not use edit summaries the way this guy does and probably never heard the word "trifecta."   states that he is  and I see no reason not to believe him.  While it does appear to me that BigDaddy may have very recently (in the past few hours) started sockpuppetting, this accusation is completely meritless. Jdavidb 14:56, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I am the anon . Accusations that I am a sockpuppet of user:BigDaddy777 and/or are completely false. I should also point out that of the multiple parties involved in the heated Ann Coulter page, only User:Eleemosynary is making the specific claim that I am BigDaddy, and only after participating on the page for barely two days. User:CBDunkerson who has been involved in this ongoing disagreement with me expresses his skepticism here: . Please compare my contributions for yourself, especially the content of my ample participation in discussion. As for innuendo based on edit timing, you try getting edits done when BigDaddy is going at it. Not to add to criticism of him but he gets very involved. Further I'm pretty sure none of my reverts returned to a version of his anyway, I only mainly reverted removal of my own additions or removed disputed additions from others. Except the last few reverts where I defended the other anon from reverts based on accusations of being a sockpuppet, which I continue to consider ridiculous. I will post with the anon IP in a second (edit: verified with this), and by the way am willing to participate in any and every means of verification to debunk these accusations. 67124etc 01:24, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I am a second user, now Viper Daimao, that has edited with the 64.154.26.251 IP. I really dont see the basis for this investigation. A simple google search for this IP address results in over 2,300 hits. It is very clearly and widely used proxy address. So either we are all seperate people as we and others claim, or BD777 actually has 2,300 or so sockpuppets. Furthermore, I can provide much evidence for my unique identity. I have used the monogram "Viper Daimao" for many years now. Again, simply Search google for Viper Daimao to see my history. Do a whois look up of my current IP, 68.90.50.103, and you'll see it belongs to SBC internet services in Houston, TX. What I find mystifying is this presumed guilt. Eleemosynary who seems to be the only one bringing the charges talks that all these reasons for all of us not being sock puppets doest not "exonerate" us. This may be my USA bias talking here, but shouldnt the burden of proof be on those who would ban all of us users from this community? I am just going to add, now that Eleemosynary has officially accused me of being a sock puppet and has said he "Would like to put forth evidence". However, (s)he presents no evidence, only accusations. This lose and inaccurate usage does nothing to help us resolve this issue. I on the otherhand, have offered simple explainations Occams_razor, 'Occams razor', and provided actual evidence to this effect--Viper Daimao 02:17, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I would like to put forth evidence that aka 216.119.139.73 aka 216.119.139.5 aka Viper Daimao and  aka 67124etc are indeed sockpuppets of BD777.  As for the other possible user names alleged, I can't really make a determination.  I take issue with Jdavidb's assertions that the sockpuppet claims are "meritless."  For instance, just because the anonymous IPs' tone and language differ (at times) from BD777's abusive harangues, that is not in itself exonerating evidence.  Indeed, one of the more sophisticated uses of sockpuppets is to create allies that sound completely different from the primary user, in order to build a false consensus, and to avoid 3RR violations by switching identities.  BD777 himself takes heated issue with Jdavidb's "trifecta" comment . Evidence is presented on the Talk Page.Eleemosynary 01:22, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

BigDaddy777's editing style and focus of activity
3) has a distinct badgering style of dialogue which is readily recognizable and edits with a focus on articles regarding conservative commentators which share this confrontational style Bill O'Reilly (commentator) and Ann Coulter.

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 * One wonders if BigDaddy777 is not Ann Coulter, certainly a knockoff Fred Bauder 10:23, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

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 * Yeah Fred, you might want to stay away from this one, as while I agree, the comparison is better left unspoken, as I don't see any utility in bringing this point up.
 * I think it's important to note that BigDaddy's editing style alone leads him to make personal attacks, be uncivil, and bait other users. In the evidence I am presenting the majority of BigDaddy's edit's to talk pages include some sort of incivility. And his extreme POV not only leads to POV edits and edit warring against the consensus, but to even more personal attacks and incivility. For example, He's used the phrase "church-lady liberal" as an insult numerous times. Mr. Tibbs 22:20, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

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WHOA
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BigDaddy777&diff=next&oldid=24894310 Some kind of a joke?      "a clever joke"  ah ha, finally, an explanation  BD then deleted the forgoing and posted this Let's be grownups.

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 * Some interesting questions Fred Bauder 14:26, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * But a simple explanation for the image Fred Bauder 15:05, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It all ends with a happy thought, "Let's all be grownups..." Fred Bauder 15:05, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

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 * You missed the exchange on KateFan's talk page about this. . There's some more about this on JdavidB's talk page about this too. . BigDaddy has no compunction about heading over to someone else's talk page to badger them. But he'll delete any comment from his own talk page that isn't praise. For example he constantly deletes even JDavidB's edits. . And Katefan's edits. . BigDaddy has done the "Oh, I'm going to improve, I promise!" bit before. . It was nonsense then and it's nonsense now. BigDaddy must be held accountable for his actions. - Mr. Tibbs 18:02, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

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Insight?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BigDaddy777&diff=next&oldid=25036339

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 * What happened there was JDavidB made a small post regarding BigDaddy's supposedly improved behavior that day on the evidence page. BigDaddy didn't like the fact that JDavidB realizes full well that BigDaddy is breaking the rules, so he goes after JDavidB. You can read a more complete exchange on JDavidB's talk page. - Mr. Tibbs 17:50, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

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BD777 edits of October 10
BigDaddy777's advances    their edits of October 10 to Karl Rove as examples of responsible editing  BD without comment, reverted by  with the comment "rv BD edit which, once again, removes pertinent information & links, and replaces it with tangential information"  BD reverts with the comment "Consulting business and work in politics in 1990-2000 - Someone reverted this clearly explained and well-reasoned edit. That's one...", reverted by with the comment "Consulting business and work in politics in 1990-2000 - rv BD's revert war. Your edit is plainly inferior to the existing copy, tangential and uninformative. Please observe the 3RR.", BD reverts with the comment "Consulting business and work in politics in 1990-2000 - Ryan's attempt to start a revert war and her unpersuasive name calling do not justify changing this. That's two.", Guettarda again reverts with the comment "rv degradation of article quality as per Ryan, me and Talk", BD reverts  with the comment "Consulting business and work in politics in 1990-2000 - Sorry, but removing POV and non-factual data does not = article degradation. That's a 3RR violation for the ryan/gueterrda tag team" BD removes description of external link as "movie" with the comment "Consulting business and work in politics in 1990-2000 - spacing/cosmetic clean-up". A second edit by BD  with the comment "Allegations of the use of 9/11 tragedy for political gain - a tiny little grammatical error corrected at top. But we need to review the support both for/against rove in this matter..."

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 * As this edit by BD had been previously been made all four edits count as reverts Fred Bauder 19:57, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

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Edits reported as 3RR violation
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User:BigDaddy777 (2nd incident)

Three revert rule violation on. :

 * Previous version reverted to: 23:21 2 October 2005 edit summary: "I took out the Weaver quote cause it's unclear which "decision" he was referring to."

 * 1st revert: 8:46 10 October 2005 edit summary: none.

 * 2nd revert: 12:15 10 October 2005 edit summary: "Someone reverted this clearly explained and well-reasoned edit. That's one..."

 * 3rd revert: 12:50, 10 October 2005 edit summary: "Ryan's attempt to start a revert war and her unpersuasive name calling do not justify changing this. That's two."

 * 4th revert: 13:25, 10 October 2005 edit comment: Sorry, but removing POV and non-factual data does not = article degradation. That's a 3RR violation for the ryan/gueterrda tag team)

Reported by: -- RyanFreisling @ 18:30, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

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 * This is this user's second 3RR violation incident report in 3 weeks. Please see the first incident, on the Karl Rove article's talk page, which resulted in a temporary block being imposed on BigDaddy777. Note that BigDaddy777 is currently involved in an RfA. -- RyanFreisling @ 18:30, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

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 * Report of a clear violation, the only mitigating factor is BD's inexperience, probably did not realize it was a 3RR violation Fred Bauder 19:57, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

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 * I think he knew full well what he was doing was a 3RR violation, and I think thats the reason he said "that's a 3RR violation for the ryan/gueterrda tag team". He's trying to game the system. Here's a recent talkpage post of BigDaddy's where he lectures other people about Consensus. I don't think there are any mitigating factors here at all. - Mr. Tibbs 20:15, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

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Meanwhile on Talk:Karl Rove
BD advances this justification for his edit based on his interpretation of Wikipedia policy as expressed by User:Jimmy Wales, a comment regarding images, copyediting of justification, further copyediting, responds , BD responds in detail to Derex , defensive posture by BD,  warns about 3RR and edit warring , more regarding image, BD tries to justify revert warring , Guettarda tries to justify his revert warring  BD comments on degraded nature of dialogue. BD offers justification for edit regarding 9/11 comment, makes a facetious suggestion regarding characterization of Rove's remark.

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Analysis of substance
The link to the movie Bush's Brain http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0403910/ features on the first page a review entitled "Criminal attack dog revealed..." all the user reviews. Amazon listing for book Bush's Brain with reviews, published by John Wiley. Amazon listing and reviews of the movie on DVD It is this language, "In the movie, John Weaver, political director for McCain's 2000 campaign bid, says "I believe I know where that decision was made; it was at the top of the [Bush] campaign." which BD removes. In the book this language does not seem to be present, a search for "black illegitimate child" yields only page 257 (search for "black illegitimate child") and a Bush denial contemptuously dismissed by McCain.

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 * The link to IMDb is what is used in the article. Fred Bauder 21:10, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * A link to the DVD or movie is not precise as the specific passage is not easily viewed. It requires wading though an extended propagandistic film of little substantial merit. The book however is searchable on Amazon Fred Bauder 00:32, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

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 * Fred, not sure where you're going with this, but I wouldn't exactly trust user reviews on IMDB, cause I just pulled up a different one than the "attack dog" you revealed where it ended with "On a side note, if Rove isn't convicted of outing Plame, there is no justice in the world"... I'd stick to the Publisher's Weekly and Amazon reviews themselves. --kizzle 21:06, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I am not going anywhere except where the evidence leads. I am investigating Fred Bauder 00:32, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

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