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Proposal for New Jazz Stub
Proposed by J. Van Meter

hi all, i'd like to propose this new jazz stub: jazz-stub to clarify and organize the huge number of music and musician stubs, and also tie in the many jazz festivals, jazz producers, songs, albums, etc.

for example, it could be applied to:

...to list just a very small portion of them.
 * Toronto Downtown Jazz Festival
 * Down Beat
 * Candid Records
 * Four Brothers
 * Park City Jazz Festival
 * Misty (jazz)
 * Walter Davis, Jr.
 * Barry Harris
 * Ron Carter
 * Donna Lee
 * Jimmy Blanton
 * Nat Adderley
 * Louis Armstrong and his Hot Seven
 * Komeda Jazz Festival
 * 8:30
 * Willis Conover
 * Newport Jazz Festival
 * Hot House
 * Louis Nelson Deslile
 * Harry Shields
 * Jon Faddis
 * Gypsy jazz
 * Chris Botti
 * Alice Coltrane
 * Trad jazz
 * Fats Navarro
 * Ford Detroit International Jazz Festival
 * Freddie Hubbard
 * Jazz blues
 * Ray Draper
 * Bill Hardman
 * Doug Watkins
 * Al Fairweather
 * Giant Steps (composition)
 * Tommy Turrentine
 * American Jazz Museum

i think the jazz contributors would be well-served with this new classification. let me know. (hope i've formatted this proposal entry properly.) thanks, J. Van Meter 03:23, 2 September 2005 (UTC) 1 september 2005
 * While I agree with the proposal, normally one proposes things (and then waits a week for consensus) before creating them: Jazz-stub. --Mairi 03:31, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * -oops, so sorry. thought it had to exist in order to be proposed. J. Van Meter
 * Nope, the proceedures are at the top of this page. The category also still needs to be created... --Mairi 04:41, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * -understood. but aren't i supposed to wait a week to do that? J. Van Meter 11:09, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The important thing is to create the category and template at the same time - articles can be "lost" otherwise (long story - it's the way templates work). Normally you'd wait a week to make both, but since the template's already there, the category should be too. Wait a few days before you start stubbing articles with the template, though, just in case there are any objections (though I doubt there will be). Grutness... wha? 11:20, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * -thanks for the input grutness. i didn't tag any of the articles yet. i knew to wait for the approval process, so i'm a bit confused about how things might become lost in the meantime. but i'll take you're word for it and get to work today to create the category now too. should i list it in the stub category page, or should i wait on that part?J. Van Meter 12:14, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It's just a glitch in the way templates work when they assign things to categories. If the category is added after articles are stubbed, the articles don't appear in the categories and have to have a null-edit done to them to make them appear. If a category's heavily used, the non-appearances may get overlooked, so the articles effectively "go missing". Grutness...  wha?
 * -ok, per grutness's instructions, i've created the category (and placed it as a sub-category on the music stubs page). again, i'm very sorry to have gone out of order on the proceedure steps. i read the whole entry prior to starting and thought i'd done it properly. i'll continue to wait before i start tagging. J. Van Meter 13:05, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * This would definitely prove to be a very useful stub. I approve this proposal. Haon 04:21, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Definitely sounds useful. Grutness...  wha?  11:12, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Next batch of geo-stubs
I've just finished this month's check of geo-stub numbers, and the following look ripe for splitting: The Vietnam one in particular would be very useful. Someone is happily writing stub articles for every tiny rock off the coast of massachusetts. even if a few of them end up vfd'd, there should be plenty for this stub. Probably more than that in each case, because I haven't yet added in articles that straddle two counties. Again, someone is busily creating new stub articles on Shropshire. The Sussex stub would cover both of the two counties that used to be Sussex (East Sussex and West Sussex), in the same way that Yorkshire stub covers North Yorkshire, West Yorkshire, etc. Grutness...  wha?  11:12, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Vietnam-geo-stub - 77 stubs
 * Saskatchewan-geo-stub - 83 stubs
 * Massachusetts-geo-stub - 145 stubs
 * WestVirginia-geo-stub - 80 stubs
 * Shropshire-geo-stub - 118 stubs
 * Gloucestershire-geo-stub - 98 stubs
 * Sussex-geo-stub - 95 stubs
 * Merseyside-geo-stub - 90 stubs

 * Let's make it WestVirginia-geo-stub (no space) to be consistent with the other state stubs (for example, NewYork-geo-stub and NorthCarolina-geo-stub). I'd also like to propose Virginia-geo-stub at this same time, too. It currently has between 70 and 80 articles, and it would be easier to split it out at the same time as West Virginia. — Fingers-of-Pyrex 11:35, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * Right of course - the space was a slight slip of the keyboard, which I've corrected. And it probably is a good idea to deal with Virginia at the same time - the Southern US category is pretty full. Grutness...  wha?  14:32, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I've added Merseyside, too. it's got 90 stubs and is growing fairly fast. Grutness...  wha?  11:17, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I can't help but think that for the sake of consistency, if you're going to have a stub category for one English county, you should have one for all of them. Combining the parts of Yorkshire, Sussex, etc. makes sense, although not having a Staffordshire geo-stub seems silly when there is a Shropshire one, for instance.  Although some may not meet the required 60-100 articles straight away, it would make a lot more sense.  Similarly for US states, Canadian provinces, etc. (RFBailey 18:45, 6 September 2005 (UTC))
 * The aim of stub templates and stub categories is not consistency, but usefulness. If there are not enough articles for a certain category, that category apparently isn't useful enough yet. It is irrelevant how many comparable categories there are. Categories have to be viewed in their own light, not in the light of their "brothers" and "sisters." Aecis 21:34, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * From the point of view of entering/editing articles, or if categories are for presenting information in an organised manner, then surely consistency is important, as well as useful. (RFBailey 22:43, 6 September 2005 (UTC))
 * Usefulness is the prime consideration here, though of course consistency is also important. But consider this. If we were going to favour consistency over usefulness, we would have a geo-stub category for every country on the planet. We'd have one for Dominica, for instance - even though it only has one stub article. That would be a waste of our time and a waste of editors' time. Some US states and English counties have the same problem (though not quite as extreme as that). As far as Staffordshire is concerned, it will almost certainly soon get a stub category of its own at some point - it is approaching the 90-100 threshold we've been using for splits of English counties (it has 77 and is currently tenth ranked out of counties without their own stubs). From the point of view of the effort involved in splitting off and sorting counties, though, it makes sense to deal with a few at a time, starting with the biggest ones. Grutness...  wha?  00:54, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I've created stubs and associated categories for Massachusetts, Virginia, and West Virginia. I know it's only been five days since they were proposed; but these are fairly "low risk" (plus I'm taking a wikiholiday and wanted to get these created beforehand). — Fingers-of-Pyrex 12:05, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
 * OK - I'll put up the lists for those states on my geo-stub splitting page. Grutness...  wha?  09:30, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

New Zealand politician stubs and French politician stubs
I propose two separate stub tags, NZ-politician-stub and France-politician-stub, for New Zealand and French politicians. While sorting through all of the bio-stubs, I noticed myself sorting a lot of articles under politician-stub and NZ-bio-stub, and politician-stub and France-bio-stub. I did two Google searches to find out approxamately how many stubs there are for each tag, and the results were: Comments? Jaxl | talk 04:25, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 * 55 for NZ-politician-stub
 * 106 for France-politician-stub

 * Sounds viable. I'm surprised there are that many Kiwi ones, but with an election looming in two weeks, a lot of stub articles on candidates have probably been written recently. Thumbs up from me. Mind you, be warned - that sort of google search may overestimate slightly due to chance combinations of words. Grutness...  wha?  04:52, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I figured the searches weren't entirely accurate, but I'm under the impression that there will probably be more NZ politician stubs popping up because, like you said, the election is approaching soon. Also, note that I didn't search for "New Zealand politicial figure" or "French politicial figure", so there may be more out there... Jaxl | talk 15:40, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Polymer-stub
I'm back from holiday and back on the trail of clearing out chem-stub! Polymer-stub has the advantage of having WikiProject Polymers behind it, so I hope that you will find it acceptable. No logo for the moment, but all suggestions are welcome. Physchim62 00:42, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

History Stubs
I just got through with sorting the history stubs and managed to cut them down by about half. I didn't keep an exact count on possibile new sub groups as I went through, but I did find myself wishing for the following stubs to help reduce the size, stubs which I think would pass the 50 stub barrier.
 * Ancient-Greece-stub - Euro-hist-stub just isn't appropriate for some of these as the ancient Greek world crossed over into modern Asia.
 * Armenia-hist-stub - Some of these might be AfD candidates as well since it seems like someone added every piece of Armenian trivia they could, but I don't know enough about Armenian history to judge them.
 * China-hist-stub - EAsia-hist-stub would be slightly more inclusive, but I didn't encounter much in the way of Korean or Japanese history stubs.
 * SAsia-hist-stub - trying for a neutral name since some of the old places and personages on the Indian subcontinent don't fit into the pigeonholes of the modern states there.

Arab-hist-stub, Persia-hist-stub, and Africa-hist-stub would also be nice, but I don't think they cross the 50 stub threshold at the moment. hist-bio-stub might also be a viable category if there are enough entries in bio-stub of historians to justify it, but from those that had just hist-stub it wasn't. Caerwine 07:10, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Shouldn't that be historian-stub, in line with e.g. economist-stub? Aecis 21:50, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll grant that the majority of occupational bio stubs follow that format (the exceptions are largely an attempt to make the stub gender neutral, and in the case of mil-bio-stub service branch neutral) but we also have law-bio-stub with lawyer-stub as a redirect for a counter example. hist-bio-stub is slightly shorter and if we ever go for a single standard on these, it will have to be *-bio-stub so that's why I prefer that form. Caerwine 22:42, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Definitely historian-stub. Hist-bio-stub sounds like biographies of historical characters. "Occupation-stub" is the far easier standard when it comes to later possible splits by nationality. The reason law-bio-stub is like that is so as to cover lawyers, judges, and all other legal occupations. Grutness...  wha?  01:11, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * What Grutness said - law-bio- has the same rationale as mil-bio-, and this doesn't seem necessary for the historians. --Joy [shallot]

I've decided to be conservative for now and only create Ancient-Greece-stub and historian-stub. I'll keep track of the others as I reparse the history stubs with these two and make certain that there are enough for the others. Caerwine 20:18, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Just finished doing a more exact survey/recatting of the history stubs. I'm glad I decided to be conserative as none of the additional primary proposals I made above had more than 50 stubs when I went through. Partly that was because I was aggresively applying appropriate biography stubs this time, and partly because the I restubbed the Chinese pagoda stubs as structure stubs instead of history stubs. With the history subs down now to the <600 range I also son't see the need to be aggressive in creating subcats just now. Applying a threshold of 60 existing stubs, I get 120 for Asia-hist-stub (not including the Middle East) and 98 for MEast-hist-stub assuming that Armenia is included in the Middle East. Considering that the Armenian stubs are pretty uniformly for a time when Armenia extended much further south and east than it does now, it certainly makes sense to me to do so. Caerwine 08:16, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Stubs and cats for Asian and Middle Eastern history have been created Caerwine 20:46, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

MEast-hist-stub

 * I think a MEast-hist-stub would easily pass the 50-stub threshold, if one includes all of what are now the Arab League countries, plus Turkey, Iran, Israel, and Cyprus. I've started a list of candidates on my user page, which currently stands at 21 just going from A to B.  My only concern is whether an islam-hist-stub would be more helpful.  Can the Caucasus countries (such as Armenia) be considered part of the Middle East?  --skoosh (háblame) 15:51, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Personally I'd be happier if the boundary was the same as for geo-stubs, and the Caucasus, Turkey, and Cyprus weren't included, but I suppose that historically they are much more closely associated with the Middle East, so I won't object if the wider area is used. I think that it makes more sense that an Islam-hist-stub. Islam-hist-stub would overlap a lot with Africa and Europe (especially Spain), and only goes back to about 800, so it might not be a very useful category - although there would be a precedent for that split with JewHist-stub. Of the two, I'm more in favour of MEast-hist-stub. Grutness...  wha?  09:04, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

History stubs are now down to <300. There is no further need for subcating the history stubs at this point, tho at <700 and <500 respectively the European and US history stubs are large enough that it might be wotrh doing a serach for subcats there. In any case this topic is sone for now and should be archived the next time gets thenergy to do some archiving. Caerwine 22:07, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Haiti Stub
Articles identified:

There may be more.
 * Jeannot
 * Georges Biassou
 * Dutty Boukman

HalD 02:58, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, we normally need at least 60 stubs before a stub type is worth doing. In any case, all three of these would be bio-stubs, anyway, rather than general country-stub candidates. A Caribbean-bio-stub would probably be very useful, though, to cover both these and articles about other caribbean people. Grutness...  wha?  04:50, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

More, wth current stub settings. I suggest gathering therm into Haiti People and Haiti Places.

Caribbean Stubs --> Haiti Places  Bio Stubs --> Haiti People
 * Artibonite
 * Bois Caïman
 * Gonaïves
 * Hinche
 * Jacmel
 * Georges Biassou
 * Dutty Boukman
 * Buteur Métayer
 * Jean François
 * Jeannot

Military Stubs --> Haiti People André Rigaud

Étienne Polverel France stub -- Haiti People  Politician Stubs --> Haiti People Raoul Cédras René Préval politician stub

Political Party Stubs --> Haiti organizations Fanmi Lavalas political party stub

12.217.186.109 04:12, 8 September 2005 (UTC) Halcatalyst

Far too many categories for Haiti at present. there are nowhere near enough stubs for any of these. The largest possible stub category here would be Haiti geography stubs, and there are currently only 22 of them in total. Compare that with fellow Caribbean countries Trinidad and Tobago (61 stubs), Dominican Republic (51), Cuba (41) and Puerto Rico (50), none of which are yet at threshold. Grutness...  wha?  07:18, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Revised Proposal: On the WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types page there is no stub at all listed for Haiti. For this page I propose TWO new subdivisions. Both these changes would make it more efficient to sort stubs related to Haiti. At present, as demonstrated above, they are lost in the shuffle.

This entry would parallel Cuba stubs and Caymans Islands-related stubs
 * Geographical
 * Place-related, by region - general
 * North and Central America
 * Caribbean Stubs
 * Haiti (new)

This entry would parallel Belezian people stubs, Canadian people stubs, and American people stubs.
 * People
 * People by nation or region
 * North and Central American people
 * Haitian people stubs

Specifically, the following would go under Haiti Geographical and Haiti People:

Geographical: Artibonite, Bois Caïman, Gonaïves, Hinche, Jacmel

People: André Rigaud, Georges Biassou, Dutty Boukman, Buteur Métayer, Étienne Polverel, Fanmi Lavalas (political party), Jean François, Jeannot, Raoul Cédras, René Préval

HalD 20:24, 8 September 2005 (UTC) Halcatalyst

 * That's still only 15 stubs. Under these circumstances, only Haiti-stub is an option, imo. And if that category grows, the geo- and bio- categories can always be split off. Aecis 21:09, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

 * The comparisons you have made are either with categories which were incorrectly created from outside this project (e.g., Belizian people stubs, which may well soon end up at WP:SFD), or are well over the threshold level (Canadian and American people stubs each have many hundreds of articles). One separate Haiti-stub may just be viable, but even then it would be a very small category compared to the thresholds we use. I wonder if you misunderstand the purpose of stub categories. They are not separated in the same way as standard categories, but only when there are so many stubs in a larger category that i would make it difficult for editors to find stubs they are looking for. At present, there are not a huge number of stubs in the Caribbean stub categories, and it is still easy to locate Haitian stubs within them. As such, I don't really see the need for separate categories at this time. I can understand you wanting separate categories if Haiti is a country that interests you, but unless the number of stubs increases, it's not really viable or necessary. My advice would be to create more stub articles on Haiti - if there are clearly enough articles, it is inevitable that a separate stub will be created. Take geo-stubs, for instance. At present, with 22 geo-stubs (and a threshold of around 70) there are clearly not enough Haiti stubs. If, however, you were to write stub articles on a further 60 places in Haiti, it would be over the threshold for the creation of a stub type. But until there are more stubs, there'd be little point in it. Grutness...  wha?  00:56, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

OK, How about only one stub -- Haiti? I would be content to leave geography aside and use this for people, culture, history, society, etc. One motive is to bring more visibility to Haiti, since places and peoples it typifies (especially those without touist connections) are so often overlooked and forgotten.

12.217.186.109 22:00, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Haiti-stub might be viable. So far, I've found about 50 Haiti-related stubs. I'm willing to give this one the benefit of the doubt and see whether it can reach the threshold. Aecis 22:34, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

US-mil-stub
Many, many stubs from United States-related stubs and Military stubs could be filtered into US-mil-stub (and associated category United States military stubs). — Fingers-of-Pyrex 17:12, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
 * Definitely. Was surprised this one doesn't exist already, when I happened across such a stub.  Logical sub-cat, and there certainly seem to be plenty of 'em.  Alai 00:00, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I too was very surprised this didn't exist. See also my comments on the "Discoveries" page about redirecting the newly discovered and horribly named {United States Armed Forces-stub}} to it. Grutness...  wha?  09:39, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Created, found stub template redirected there. I'll propose the category for deletion once null-edit-emptied.  Alai 01:13, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Terrorist bio stub
I have found many people who do not fit in any other stub category (see below), but they are convicted or suspected terroists so I think it would be benificial to have a terroist bio stub. All of the below people either have a bio stub or a country bio stubkralahome 3:42 UTC, September 9, 2005

 * Ali Hamza Ahmed Sulayman al Bahlul
 * Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri
 * Agung Abdul Hamid
 * Amrozi bin Nurhasyim

 * Unless "Terrorist" is a nationality, that would be better as terrorist-stub. However, we have had this discussion in the past, and the name is a very POV one. One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter, and we'd soon have to start patrolling to make sure that a certain neutrality was maintained. And that's not the sort of work this project was created for. Two of these atre, in any case, Indonesia-bio-stubs (which I didn't realise we had...). And we could probably do with a MEast-bio-stub for the other two. Grutness...  wha?  06:56, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * As an example of potential problems, one of those articles on the list, Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri, makes no assertion of any terrorist activity or allegation of terrorist activity, only that he was detained as an unlawful combatant by the US. Which doesn't necessarily mean that even the US gov't alleges that he's a terrorist. --Mairi 04:39, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Agree with G and M. I'm not sure there's even a very clearly defined "profession" here -- bombers, media producers, and unspecified material witnesses -- much less the still-POVer questions like ends and means.  I'd rather they remain under their respective countries, and whatever main category they might merit, rather than open this particular can of worms.  Alai 04:55, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Having a Middle East Bio Stub does seem like a better idea. kralahome 9:06, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Please see my crime-bio-stub proposal further down the page.--Carabinieri 15:35, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Canada-writer-stub, France-writer-stub
I have been bad by being bold and created these two. I've been sorting through writer-stub and without even being halfway through, I've encountered over 60 stub articles appropriate for each. This way, as I continue sifting I can send these there directly. Thee are others that deserve creation as well, but there may be some nits to pick, so I'll wait until I have a complete census and propose them properly. Caerwine 02:31, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Naughty... yeah, these don't look as though they'll cause anyone any harm. But you really should wait (it's hard enough getting no WSS people to wat now, without giving them excuses!) Grutness...  wha?  02:42, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Netherlands-stub
I keep on running across stubs that could be marked with this template, and each time I'm amazed that it doesn't exist. (The latest was Special school). Any objections? Grutness...  wha?  06:43, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * As a Dutchman: no, I don't have any objections ;) Aecis 08:49, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Hrm, just listed the associated category on "discoveries"! Or the category that thinks it's associated with this non-template, as it were.  For some reason a template of this name was deleted a couple of months ago, and a handful of articles currently "redlink" to it (or to the lack of it...).  I'd be inclined to 'speedy' this one, due to it being such a gaping hole in the category scheme, at least if we get a couple more yays, and no nays.  Alai 06:26, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Ill add a yay. BL Lacertae 06:37, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

OK - well not quite speedied, but four days seems reasonable, since the category already existed... :) Grutness...  wha?  01:15, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Croatia-bio-stub
Few days ago I created Croatia-stub (I didn't know I had to propose it here, but everything went well, and experts say stub category is well formed), and the category is now growing at rather large rate (it has 62 articles as of this moment, which is 3 days after it's creation). As more than 30% of stubs in that category are bio-stubs, and category is expiriencing it's initial filling, it is not hard to see that when filling is done, there will be a need to create Croatia-bio-stub and move the bio-stubs there. So, I reckon it would be better to create the category now and bypass the work of moving stubs from Croatia-stub to Croatia-bio-stub. Oppinions? --Dijxtra 10:30, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes. Indeed, the Croatian politician stubs may actually warrant another stub subcategory for themselves :) But let's just have Croatia-bio-stub. --Joy [shallot]   22:35, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I jostled through Category:Political_parties_in_Croatia, and my!, Croatia really has to many political parties. I think we'd need another stub category for those as well... but, let us take one step at the time. :-) --Dijxtra 09:28, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Done. I hurried up a bit since nobody complained and since Croatia-stub had over 100 articles (including bio stubs) 7 days after it's creation, 37 of which were bio stubs... --Dijxtra 17:03, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Various math stubs
The Mathematics related stubs are in need of some more subdivision, as there are currently over 1000 entries in Category:Mathematics stubs. Some of these can go in the current classifications, but there are some obvious grouping that are not included, and probably have a lot of potential entries. I propose analysis-stub and algebra-stub, which would cover analysis, and algebra respectively. These are fairly general, so should cover a significant number of these entries. There are other categories that might be useful too, such as probability, set theory and category theory. I think we should probably start with the first 2 categories, then see what we have left. Silverfish 17:08, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Another possible one might be geometry-stub, although I don't know how the numbers would stack up for that. Anyone keen to do a break-down? Grutness...  wha?  19:47, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * There already is a geometry-stub --Mairi 19:58, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * D'oh! (slaps forehead) Grutness...  wha?  23:35, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

To clarify, there are 5 math categories at the moment, on Cryptography, Geometry, Knots,Numbers, and Statistics. I'm proposing Analysis and Algebra as 2 new ones that I want comments on, and any suggestions on other topics to cover. Silverfish 21:48, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a good idea. I'll try to do a count tonight to see what other topics would make sense. --Mairi 22:23, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * That would be very useful. A couple more subjects to consider, as well as those mentioned above, are graph theory and combinatorics.  Silverfish 22:48, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Analysis could be a tricky one - it has many meanings in maths, some of which overlap statistics and number theory. Can't see any way around that though - if you called it something like maths-function-stub it would overlap algebra. Grutness...  wha?  23:35, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * By the overlap with stats and number theory, are you referring to p-adic analysis, and Analysis of variance. If so, we can probably specifically exclude them from analysis.  Perhaps Math-analysis would be better as a title, addressing Mathematical analysis-related subjects, and using that article as the basis for what to include.  We could possibly include related topics such as Measure theory (related to Lebesgue integration), and metric spaces (with a concept of distance, and thus continuity).  Silverfish 13:40, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately my knowledge of the subject is limited enough for most of the things you mentioned to be beyond me. But in many analytical sciences the name "statistical analysis" is used for techniques from random sampling through to ANOVA and chi squared. It seems to me that, given this name, trying to divide mathematics into statistics and analysis will be a bit confusing. Grutness...  wha?  10:44, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean. I think Mathematical analysis is a reasonably well defined area of mathematics, and we should use that article (and the section desribing the various areas of analysis) as our guide for what to include.  There are other topics which include analysis in the title, such as statistical analysis, which aren't really part of mathematical analysis, but seem to be using the common meaning of analysis as the result of analysing something.  I've done a bit of analysis below, by the way, to give a rough idea of the likely size of each category:

Subject Count
I've done a rought list of how many articles there are in a variety of categories, some that I've proposed, and some other possible categories. It is just for the letter A. The * indicates where I've listed something twice. Using A is a bit misleading, as it gives 5 articles starting algebra, boosting the total, but even with that we get 6 other articles on algebra, versus 3 for the most common other categories. I'm considering whether to just go with algebra to start with, then see what we have left after that. Note I've missed some subjects off the list, where I'm not sure what the subject should be, or where an article could be part of more than one subject. I'll probably do some more of this on other letters too. Silverfish 18:05, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Cellular automata

 * 3D Life

Information Theory

 * A Mathematical Theory of Communication
 * A Symbolic Analysis of Relay and Switching Circuits
 * An Algebra for Theoretical Genetics

Books and publications

 * A Mathematical Theory of Communication*
 * A Symbolic Analysis of Relay and Switching Circuits - Thesis?*
 * An Algebra for Theoretical Genetics - Thesis*

Algebra
 * Algebra (ring theory)
 * Algebra I
 * Algebra II
 * Algebra homomorphism
 * Algebra representation of a Hopf algebra
 * Alternative algebra
 * Annihilator (ring theory)
 * Anticommutativity
 * Aperiodic monoid
 * Associator
 * Axioms of an equation

Algorithms
 * AF-heap
 * Addition chain exponentiation

Graph theory
 * AF-heap*
 * Arboricity
 * Augmenting path

Analysis
 * Adomian decomposition method - differential equations
 * Approximate identity - functional analysis

Organization
 * African Mathematical Union

Game theory
 * Airport problem

Journals
 * American Mathematical Monthly

Combinatorics
 * Analytic combinatorics

Proof theory
 * Analytic proof

Finance
 * Annuity function

Probability
 * Applied probability

Mathematical logic
 * Arithmetic set

Category theory
 * Autonomous category

Numerical analysis
 * Approximation theory

 * I did thru D (about a quarter of the templates), and got 49 for algebra alone (plus 15 for group theory and 8 for algebraic topology), so it's definitely viable. Analysis got 36, so it most likely has enough for the overall category. Number theory got 27, so it is probably be useful. Combinatorics would also likely be useful, as including discrete math and graph theory it has 26. I also think a logic-stub could be useful, as there were 24, and there are possibly some in philosophy-stub also. --Mairi 04:03, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Based, on that I think we should go with algebra (Algebra-stub), analysis (Math-analysis-stub, and combinatorics (Combin-stub), and mathematical logic (Math-logic-stub) to start with. I'm not sure on number theory, given we have a number stub category, that I've been interpreting to include number theory.  Perhaps we should change Num-stub to Num-theory-stub.  What about probability? Did you look at that? Silverfish 16:36, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Currently, the Number stub is restricted to articles about specific numbers or types of numbers, so not all of those would necessarily fall under Number Theory. So it's probably fine keeping that and have a seperate num-theory-stub; there might be a handful of articles that get double-stubbed. I only found 4 probability stubs; it's possible some of them are in statistics-stub, as the distinction between the two isn't necessarily clear-cut. --Mairi 17:58, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean. It might be best to leave the number theory issue for the moment, use the 4 categories I suggest, then see what we have left after that.  Silverfish 22:07, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Ok, It's been a week, so I'm about to start creating the stub categories. I'll start with algebra-stub, as that's probably going to be the biggest. This will be the first template I've created, so I'd appreciate it if someone would check I'm doing things correctly. I'll then move on to mathanalysis-stub (not sure on the name here (would a hyphen be useful between math and analysis?), combin-stub, and Mathlogic-stub. Silverfish 12:30, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

 * They look fine. Only one thing, the last argument for Stub Category is the corresponding main category (not the parent category in stub hierarchy). One has to add the parent stub category by a normal category link. And I think no hyphen makes sense. --Mairi 04:22, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Not as far as WP:STUB is concerned:
 * C: Insert the name of an appropriate higher level category, for this example it would be road transport stubs. If you have broken your new stub out from an existing stub category, it would be advisable to list this category here.
 * --TheParanoidOne 10:22, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * But the example actual uses Category:Road Transport, and that fits with the template placing the stub category under µ of the higher category. --Mairi 04:45, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

philosopher-stub
After a few months of double-sorting those people with bio-stub and philo-stub, I'm convinced that there's enough material here to warrant its own stub. I was reluctant to propose it earlier because of a potential for abuse (branding people as "philosophers" could be construed as POV in some contexts), but it seems to me now that we have way too many academics in the field of philosophy now that the amount of possible abuse will be peripheral at best. --Joy [shallot]
 * Yeah, go for it. I'm sure you're right about its usefulness. Grutness...  wha?  23:49, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree, seen quite a few that could use this stub while sorting on the scientist stubs. --Etacar11  23:55, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * So far I've sorted philosophers either into writer stubs or academic stubs, but a philosopher stub category would be much better.--Carabinieri 18:51, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I also agree, there's a lot of bio-stubs that need this tag. Jaxl | talk 18:52, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

While sorting Bio stubs, I noticed that there is a need for a stub category for philosophers; currently it is only possible categorize them under writers or academics or according to their origin.--Carabinieri 18:42, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
 * OOPS, I didnt notice that it was already September and that there is already such a proposal in the September proposals section, so I guess nevermind this proposal--Carabinieri 18:47, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

I created it, and went through the Philosophy stubs category up to (incl.) the letter I, and there's 108 articles in the Philosopher stubs category now. --Joy [shallot]   22:41, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

crime-bio-stub
I propose that a stub category be created, to include people who are notable for committing illegal acts: terrorists, famous criminals, etc, because it is often difficult to categorize such people.--Carabinieri 20:54, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It's a good idea as far as categorisation, but it needs to be carefully and narrowly defined to avoid abuse. Needs to be limited to people who are notable primarly/only for their [alleged] criminal activity, not just anyone who ever [allegedly] committed a crime.  --Alynna 00:31, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Another problem I now thought of is, people, who committed illegal acts but who aren't seen as criminals by most people. Take for example Gandhi; he is most famous for his peaceful resistance against the British Empire, which was unlawful but most people wouldn't call him a criminal.  Under the currently proposed definition (someone who is primarily/exclusively known for (allegedly) committing criminal acts), many political activists would fall under this category; yet if we were to categorically ignore political crimes for the purpose of categorization, many terrorists would also have to be excluded.--Carabinieri 15:40, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It's a definite grey area. The gulf between Nelson Mandela and Radovan Karadzic is immense, but both would qualify technically as political criminals. Where along the continuum do you make the boundary? Also, would crime-bio-stub only be for criminals, or also for those best known for catching criminals, such as police and private investigators? Grutness...  wha?  11:09, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I hadn't thought of including police and so on but that is a good idea; while sorting out bio-stubs, I did run accross a few police chiefs and so on, which I only categorized according to the region.--Carabinieri 11:14, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

poli-bio-stub
I would also find a person stub category for people involved in politics, who aren't politicians: political activists, campaign managers, etc.--Carabinieri 20:59, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
 * politician-stub could be a daughter category of this category, if it is created.--Carabinieri 20:59, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree that this would be useful, as it covers people that don't have any other good category. Probably enough stubs too. --Mairi 06:05, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * another suggestion somewhat related, further down the page: WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals
 * --naught101 01:21, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

MEast-bio-stub
A Middle East bio stub category would make sorting a lot of people a lot easier.--Carabinieri 15:49, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Israel-bio-stub
I think there are enough Israelis to warrant such a category.--Carabinieri 15:49, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

I agree. See the current Israel-stub stub. I'll start moving them to this better stub. --YUL89YYZ 14:57, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

LAm-bio-stub Caribbean-bio-stub, Mexico-bio-stub, CentralAm-bio-stub, SouthAm-bio-stub
I think we need a category to cover all Latin American countries, which do not currently have their own categories.--Carabinieri 15:49, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd divide this up into Mexico, CentralAm, SouthAm and Caribbean, the same as with the geo stubs, because the term "Latin America" is open to some interpretation. Some definitions do not include Brazil, the Guianas, and Belize, for instance, since Spanish is not the primary language. Dividing by continent is probably a little easier. Whether there'd be enough for a separate Central America bio-stub is perhaps questionable, but the rest should reach threshold, I'd think. Grutness...  wha?  00:58, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * See also my note a few sections down on caribbean-bio-stub.... Grutness...  wha?  13:47, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * There is no question, that Brazil is part of Latin America. Brazil is the very reason why it is called Latin America and not Spanish America (Portuguese is also a Latin-derived language).  But I guess I don't object to dividing it the way Grutness suggested.--Carabinieri 15:57, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Do there need to be extra-proposals for each of those categories or is it good enough, if they're discussed here?--Carabinieri 16:16, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. To be honest I'd forgotten this proposal was going on when I added the one on Caribbean-bio-stub below. As long as we get a few more comments from othr people, it's probably safe enough to just change the heading (as I've done). Grutness...  wha?  05:56, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay - all three created (the Mexican one already existed). A day early (oops), but still. Grutness...  wha?  10:48, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Caribbean-bio-stub
I was speaking to our resident expert on Trinidad and Tobago (User:Guettarda) re geo-stubs (more on this in a couple of days...), and he suggested that a caribbean-bio-stub would be very useful. I don't know the numbers, but I suspect he could be right. I doubt any Caribbean nation would have enough stubs on its own for a bio-stub category (Cuba might be an exception), and there was a recent call for a stub suitable for Haitians, so this might be a reasonable one to make. Any thoughts? Grutness...  wha?  13:43, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Like I wrote under the LAm stub proposal, I definately support creating such a stub.--Carabinieri 16:25, 15 September 2005 (UTC)


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Talk:Socialist Revolutionary Party

Old talk
"although some Left SRs did become part of the government"

The Left SR party was a coalition partner in the Soviet Government. Will change this to;

"The Left SR party became the coalition partner of the Bolsheviks in the Soviet Government,"

Any objections? TheInquisitor 00:50, 3rd Oct 2005

Also removed the bit about Victor Chernov being a Left SR and member of Soviet Government. He was actually Right SR and member of Provisional Government.

It also seems like the statement about SRs joining the Whites is overstated. Even the anti-communist historian Richard Pipes concedes that "The White Movement" was extremely reactionary in character representing the most privileged and feudal oriented sections of society and that it was steeped in anti-semitism. Thus they were considered in essence partisans of restoration of the monarchy and the old order and were loathed by all progressives and radicals who viewed the Reds as the lesser evil. This concern became more pronounced after the "Kolchak Coup" of 1919 in which Admiral Kolchak arrested-and executed some-of the SR and liberal members of the White Government. Things got so bad that Kerensky went to so far as to approach President Wilson and ask that he not aid the Whites, as he saw the Reds as an unstable and fleeting phenomenon, with the prospect of the resotoration of autocracy being more ominous. The peasants, some of whom had been born in serfdom and who were the social base of the SRs, had little use for their ancient oppressors whom they had a jaundiced view of. In this vein when the Bolshevik traitor Grigorev approached Makhno, the Ukrainian "anarchist" leader of the Ukrainian Army of Insurgent Peasants, who were on and off allies then enemies of the Soviet Government, about forming an alliance against the Bolsheviks, Makhno had him summarily executed, denouncing Grigorev as a scab and a class traitor. It is not an exagerration at all to characterize the Whites as proto-fascist given the loud praise Hitler heaped on them early in his career (actually in 1919-20 the "Freikorps" that Hitler was a member of at the time and who boasted about their recent murder of Leibnecht and Luxemburg and the suppression of the German Revolution, played a role in the Russian Civil War in the area around Kaliningrad where German troops had remained and ethnic German elements existed) and what happened in Russia twenty five years later. Tom Cod 22:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

 * There is much more about the SRs' role in 1918 under Russian Constituent Assembly. It will need to be included in this article at some point. Ahasuerus 04:37, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

 * The whole political landscape in the Russian Civil War was much more complex than SRs joining either Whites or the Reds. They were opposed to the Bolsheviks as the SRs were the main part of the Provisional Government following the February Revolution of 1917. SRs also won the elections following the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917; the parliament that was elected following these elections was closed by the Bolsheviks. On the other hand, the SRs were against the monarchist element in the White movement, whom they saw as as the continuation of the imperial Russia, against which the SRs fought before 1917. SRs also controlled municipal administrations in a number of large cities both in Southern Russia and in Siberia and the Russian Far East, where the Russian Civil War was at its most intense. This meant that the SR mayors and municipal administrations had to have at least some working relationship with the White governors and military commanders, especially when it was about fighting against such common enemies as the Bolsheviks or Petlyra's Ukrainian Nationalists. Thus, the SR position during the Russian Civil War was very very complicated indeed, and the article would need to reflect these nuances in SR history. Hope it helps. IgorYeykelis 05:39, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

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The title of the article needs to be corrected
The correct title for the article would be: "Party of Socialists-Revolutionaries", which is an accurate translation from Russian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Winnie ru (talk • contribs) 03:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * This has since been done, but I'd argue it's a wrong move. It may be a direct and literal translation from the Russian, but the most common form in serious sources in English – which is what matters for us here, not editor assertions as to what the translation should be – as far as I've ever been aware is and always has been "Socialist Revolutionary Party". A quick Google Books search comparison suggests that is correct, as it gets 30,500 hits (even with "Russia" added) whereas "Party of Socialists-Revolutionaries" on its own gets merely 228. The former may have dredged up some more generic references, but I'm not sure that explains all the numbers. It looks as if while some sources do translate the name per the current title, most do not. Plus we need to be more consistent within the article with both the name and the abbreviation (I'd argue SRs is the more common form seen).  N-HH   talk / edits  12:23, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 18:51, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

The page was recently moved from the proposed title, and then the title subsequently finessed for punctuation, on the basis of it being a more direct translation of the Russian name (there was no RM or even informal discussion). However, the proposed/original form is clearly the standard rendering in the vast majority of book references, by some way (see section above), which is what we should go by. These often differ for political organisations, especially when it comes to the simple ordering of the words, eg with NATO (when compared to the French version), PSOE (from the original Spanish). See also, for example, Britannica, Merriam-Webster and what appears to be one of their own publications etc for what is the preferred form. I would simply move it back myself but a) thought it worth doing formally as it was only recently moved away; and b) the proposed title is currently a redirect to this one and that redirect needs deleting.  N-HH   talk / edits  10:13, 3 January 2013 (UTC) ps: here are the Google Book links for ease of reference: "Party of Socialists-Revolutionaries" - 265 ... "Socialist Revolutionary Party" +Russia - 32,500. There'll obviously be quite a few false positives in the latter, but scrolling through the first few pages of results suggests you need to go some way in before they start kicking in (they seem to start on about the third page for the former).  N-HH   talk / edits  10:50, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Party of Socialists-Revolutionaries → Socialist Revolutionary Party
 * Socialist Revolutionary Party → redirect needs deleting –
 * In future, this is just a simple move request. Any redirect at the new page will always be simply deleted to make room for the move, and does not need to be listed in the move request. Should there be any page history in the redirect, it would be renamed. In this case there is no history that needs to be kept (a couple of bot edits removing double redirects). Apteva (talk) 07:52, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Support Standard and well-known English name, almost universally used in English language sources.  DGG ( talk ) 22:25, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Support as per nom. also second the comment above about no need to list multiple redirect. Tiggerjay (talk) 09:13, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Tagged redirect page for G6 per consensus here to enable move. Tiggerjay (talk) 09:14, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Repeated deletion of painting of attempt on Lenin
This has been deleted from the article twice. Why? Kaplan was an SR, so it seems relevant. Ghostofnemo (talk) 05:00, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Ideology
How could its ideology have been "revolutionary socialism of democratic socialist and agrarian socialist forms"? These are three separate ideologies, and first being inconsistent with the second (i.e revolutionary and democratic).203.80.61.102 (talk) 20:51, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Lede too long
The lede is about four times longer than it should be, in proportion to the article. Valetude (talk) 06:44, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Democratic socialism
Wikipedia is riddled with anachronical mentions of "democratic socialism". This is the left-wing equivalent of labelling pro-capitalist parties as libertarian - the application of a novel nomenclature to historical persons or groups that, even though they may have understood the general thrust of the term, would not associate it with its current understanding (and the way that it is described in the corresponding wikipedia article). 82.12.128.242 (talk) 22:10, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

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Prospekt Mira (Kaluzhsko-Rizhskaya line)

Prospekt Mira (Проспект Мира) is a station on the Kaluzhsko–Rizhskaya line of the Moscow Metro. It was designed by V. Lebedev and P. Shteller and opened on 1 May 1958. The station features flared pylons faced with white marble and trimmed with sharp-edged metal cornices. The walls are faced with off-white ceramic tile with horizontal black stripes.

Between 1958 and until 1971 the station was the southern terminus of the Rizhskaya line.

The entrance to the station is located on the west side of Prospekt Mira (north of Protopopovsky Pereulok) in the ground floor of the Metro's central control building.

Transfers
From this station it is possible to transfer to Prospekt Mira on the Koltsevaya line.


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Muhammad ibn Badlay

Muhammad ibn Badlay (محمد بن بادلاي) (reigned 1445–1471) was a Sultan of the Sultanate of Adal. He was the son of Badlay ibn Sa'ad ad-Din. During his reign the Adalite ruler Muhammad and the Solomonic ruler Baeda Maryam agreed to a truce and both states in the following decades saw an unprecedent period of peace and stability.

Reign
After the death of Badlay, he was succeeded by his son Muhammad in year 1445. The Arab writer al-Tagrebirdi reports that Sultan Muhammed sent an embassy to Cairo in 1452, this message doubtlessly reported on his father's Badlay's defeat, which may have been an unsuccessful appeal for help.

During his reign and the reign of Emperor Ba'eda Maryam, Adal was independent, but was worn out by the constant ensuing raids and counter raids. This led to Muhammad early in his reign to send a deputation to Ba'eda Maryam, which brought him gifts of many pieces of cloth and, a message proposing peace. The envoy's according to the chronicle, declared that the ruler of Adal would send Ba'eda Marya tribute, if he in return would order all his troops to cease their incursions into his territory. The Emperor accepted this proposal, gave the envoys plentiful food and drink, and provided them with fine clothes, then sent them on their way back along with one of his messengers to Muhammad accepting the latter demands and told him "stick to your word". Tribute was never sent, and the local Adalite leaders rejected the proposal. While Ba'eda Maryam was preparing for his coronation after choosing a consort at Aksum, he had then later learned that the governor of Zayla Lada'e Uthman, had, however, repudiated the agreement made by his predecessor Muhammad, and was marching against him. He thereupon canceled the proposed coronation celebrations and summoned the leaders of Tigray.

He then proceeded to march towards Adal, because it was outside of the Emperor's control. On arriving there they found that the chiefs of the area had all gathered to prepare for an incursion into the Christian empire. A battle ensued. Gabra Iyasus was victorious. Many Adal chiefs were killed and others taken prisoner. Gabrya Iyasus and his men did not stick around in the torrid Adal lowlands in which highlanders found to be virtually impossible to reside for any length of time. They immediately returned.

Not to long after Ba'eda Maryam planned another expedition to Adal. He entrusted it to his oldest and most loyal follower, Mahari Krestos, and to the experienced Gabra Iyasus. The monarch presented them and the soldiers with fine clothing and ordered his palace troops to join the expedition. The men went in to war, however with little enthusiasm, for which reason the chronicles says "God did not favour them".

The Adal soldiers immediately seized the offensive. Mahari Krestors and his men soon took flight and Gabra Iyasus and his followers shortly afterwards did the same. This was their undoing as they were pursued and they were said to have "Perished to the last man".

Despite the conflicts detailed above, there were also attempts at co-existence between the Emperors and the Adal Kings. Alvares claims moreover that dynastic marriages with the latter were forged, although details of any such arrangements have unfortunately been preserved. In any case, Sultan Muhammad reversed the policy of his predecessors, making a truce with the Emperor of Ethiopia Baeda Maryam, and during his reign lived in peace with the Ethiopians.

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The Blobs

The Blobs was an animated television series based on the books by DC Thomson, published in 1980. It tells the story of a community of colourful paint-splash characters who live in Paintbox Land. The 26-episode series, narrated originally by Jane Horrocks, was produced in 1996 by Siriol Animation in Wales, in association with DC Thomson & Co., Sianel Pedwar Cymru (S4C) and Scottish Television (now STV Central). The series was purchased by TV Ontario in 1999, and was re-voiced by Julie Zwillich for the North American market.

A Welsh-language version was also produced for S4C, entitled Y Blobs.

Content
Jane Horrocks and Julie Zwillich (US only) narrate the show in their own voices and affect different voices for all the characters. The blobs usually have a problem to solve that involves helping others, learning not to be afraid, getting lost, etc. They can change their shapes at will. Paintbox Land is ruled by a king, Royal Blue, and is bothered by a pesky witch, Inky Black. The show's animation style stays true to the books by DC Thomson.

The animation pre-production was prepared by Siriol Scotland and the animation production itself completed at Siriol Production's main animation studios in Mount Stuart Square, Bute Town (now Cardiff Bay), Cardiff, Wales, UK.

Characters

 * Fizzy Orange
 * Puppy Purple
 * Grumbly Green
 * Royal Blue
 * Princess Powder Blue
 * Sailor Blue
 * Constable Blue
 * Mousy Brown
 * Piggy Pink
 * Primrose Yellow
 * Inky Black
 * Ghostly White
 * Chocolate Brown
 * Poppy Red
 * Rainbow Blob
 * Grubby Grey
 * Giant Blob
 * Floury White
 * Canary Yellow
 * Spotty Blob
 * Vincent van Blob
 * The Blob Cats
 * Olive Green
 * Ringmaster Blob
 * Butterfly Blob
 * Other Blobs

Episodes

 * 1) The Purple Puppy-Cat
 * 2) Poppy Red Pops Up
 * 3) The Everlasting Rainbow
 * 4) Where's Canary Yellow
 * 5) Inky's Party Trick
 * 6) Untidy Piggy Pink
 * 7) Birthday Blues
 * 8) Fizzy Orange's Missing Fizz
 * 9) Cheese Sweet Cheese
 * 10) The Homeless Giant
 * 11) Ghostly White's Ghastly Night
 * 12) A Change For Grubby Grey
 * 13) Hats Off For Grumbly
 * 14) Seasick Sailor Blue
 * 15) Hide 'n' Spook
 * 16) Ghostly White's Hiccupy Haunting
 * 17) A Welcome for Chocolate Brown
 * 18) A Race for Royal Blue
 * 19) Singer of the Year
 * 20) Inky's New Broomstick
 * 21) Sneezy Princess Powder Blue
 * 22) Have You Seen Olive Green
 * 23) Puppy Purple's Very Silly Day
 * 24) Rock A Bye Grumbly
 * 25) Unhappy Spotty Blob
 * 26) Floury White's Enormous Loaf

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Goody Two Shoes (song)

"Goody Two Shoes" is the debut solo single by Adam Ant, released on 7 May 1982. It became Ant's third overall number one in the UK and his highest charting song in the US, where it peaked at number 12.

History
There are two versions of the cover. The first has Adam and the Ants across the top of the sleeve and the later version just Adam Ant. This is probably due to the confusion around the timing of Ant going solo, particularly as the song was performed by three fifths of the band: Ant, Pirroni and Hughes.

There are also two different studio versions of the song. The UK 7" single version is notably different from the re-recorded version which appears on Friend or Foe. The single version has a different, more reverberating drum track. The Friend or Foe version, instead of Hughes on drums, features Bogdan Wiczling, drummer on the rest of the album.

Ant performed "Goody Two Shoes" at Top of the Pops on 20 May 1982, and the very first American Bandstand episode of 1983 (along with "Desperate but Not Serious").

"Red Scab"
It was fairly common for Ant to record new versions of his pre-1980 compositions for the B-side of his singles. For this single, an old Ant song from 1977 called "Red Scab" was used.

Music video
The video presents a stylised vision of a day in the life of Adam Ant, from dressing in the morning to performing on stage, to being hounded by the media. At the end of the day, he takes home a woman journalist played by British actress Caroline Munro, in effect answering the song's theme question, "What do you do?" The video also starred veteran actors Graham Stark and Dandy Nichols, as the butler and cleaning woman respectively.

Track listing
All songs written by Adam Ant except as noted.
 * 1) "Goody Two Shoes" (Adam Ant, Marco Pirroni) – 3:15
 * 2) "Red Scab" – 4:06

Other media

 * "Goody Two Shoes" was featured in the film Hot Fuzz and the television series The Umbrella Academy.

Covers

 * Punk band Unwritten Law later covered this song.
 * In 2014, singer-songwriters Jim Boggia and Pete Donnelly released a cover version of the song on the multi-artist compilation album Here Comes The Reign Again: The Second British Invasion.

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Shams ad-Din ibn Muhammad

Shams ad-Din ibn Muhammad (شمس اد الدين بن محمد) (reigned 1472–1487) was a Sultan of the Sultanate of Adal and a son of Muhammad ibn Badlay.

Reign
During Shams ad-Din's reign, an army of the Emperor of Ethiopia Eskender invaded Adal (around 1479–1480) and looted Dakkar, destroying houses and places of worship. However, on its return home the Adal forces ambushed the Ethiopian army and inflicted heavy casualties. As a result, no further expeditions were sent against Adal by the Ethiopians until the reign of Emperor Na'od.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Golden Mean

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was redirect to Golden mean. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 22:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Golden Mean
This article is a crime. First it has four long paragraphs saying the golden mean is something in mathematics that is much celebrated, without the slightest attempt to even hint at what it is, even getting into a poet's view of the matter without having attempted to inform the reader of what it is, which would be very easy. A different article, golden ratio, already gives a very clear account of this concept. Then it goes on to a section on the Pythagorean theory of music, which is not even tangentially relevant, but looks (very) superficially related only because it deals with ratios in esthetics. The rest of the article doesn't look as if it informs the reader of what the golden ratio is either. Michael Hardy 23:54, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

*Well, keep the article title, if only as a redirect, and perhaps after moving it to Golden mean? AFAIK "golden mean" is a legitimate synonym or near-synonym for "golden ratio" and a plausible entry term. The golden ratio article is heavy on math and light on aesthetics, philosophy, etc. The golden mean article is, uh, completely free from math and heavy on rather soft aesthetics and philosophy. I'm not enough of a classicist to judge its quality. And I haven't combed through the rest of Wikipedia to see how much of the material here is adequately treated elsewhere. Phyllotaxis is just a stub! But I don't see deleting all the content in this article. There needs to be some kind of refactoring and redistribution of its content, quite possibly deleting some of it, merging some of it elsewhere, and quite possibly leaving nothing but a redirect. The Pythagorean stuff needs to go elsewhere or just go. What sort of musical interval is 1.618? A minor sixth and change? Mmmm, mmmm, not good. Dpbsmith (talk) 20:08, 3 October 2005 (UTC) Try to clarify, see below
 * Comment (not actually a vote, since I expressed myself above): Looking at which pages link to this execrable article, I find two entirely distinct topics, both sometimes called the golden mean. Maybe this should become a disambiguation page.  Or redirect to golden mean with a lower-case m, now a redirect page to golden ratio, and make golden mean a disambiguation page? Michael Hardy 00:07, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * So I take it you don't like the article? I'm voting Conditional Keep on the basis that this has been flagged for attention for 1 day (by the AfD nominator) and now is being AfD nom'd.  I agree that the article is a complete mess of random topics and is in need of some serious editing, but you cannot expect that to happen in 1 day.  If after 30 days this article doesn't get updated into a coherent article with a point, I agree it should be deleted, but for now I'd say let the article have on last chance to be cleaned up.--Isotope23 19:08, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with golden ratio. This will require quite a bit of cleanup but I think there is some salvageable information in this article which is not covered in the other. ESkog 20:16, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to golden ratio. This article is one of WHEELERs leftovers, and doesn't contain much worth merging. - SimonP 21:27, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree that the Golden Ratio article is much more concise. I vote to move the few unique bits from the Golden Ratio article to the Golden Mean article.  Because the word ratio is more descriptive of its definition, it seems that Golden Ratio should be the title and the alternate names Golden Mean, Divine Proportion, and Golden Section should appear in the first few lines of the article.  Tr0gd0rr 21:30, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to golden ratio per SimonP and Dpbsmith. Dottore So 22:47, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * STRONG KEEP. Do not redirect Besides the mathematical definition, there's Horace, the Roman poet, and his use of this term philosophically.  This is the sort of thing even Brittanica would have as disamb. for.  Kill the current content as you wish, but this needs to be kept for clarification and probable disamb. -- or maybe expansion, since ratio is more precisely mathematically, but mean is exclusive philosophically. Xoloz 05:43, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with golden ratio. --Angr/undefined 07:02, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with golden ratio unless someone knows about the whole Horace useage mentioned by Xoloz and is willing to put it in the article. --Apyule 07:12, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Please don't merge or redirect: I agree that this article needs substantial improvement. However, most of it deals with the philosophical meaning of golden mean (essentially not too much, not too little), which has nothing to do with the mathematical subject of the golden ratio article; therefore, it should not be merged with that article. The confusion, which is not of our making, is that the outside world uses golden mean ambiguously: sometimes in its philosophical sense (above); other times as a synonym for the golden ratio. Golden ratio, on the other hand, is unambibuous: it refers only to the subject of the golden ratio article, which is another reason that the articles should not be merged.  The Wikified solution for dealing an ambiguous term is disambiguation, and that is part of the solution for this article. Indeed Michael Hardy, who made the first post on this page (does that mean he is the one who nominated the article for deletion?) raised much the same point in a comment following his original post.  The rest of the solution is (1) to delete from this article all discussion of material that is treated in the golden ratio article (and treated much better there), with an appropriate cross-reference on this page to golden ratio as another meaning of golden mean; and (2) to edit what is left of this article, dealing solely with the philosophical meaning, to improve its quality. Finell 10:49, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, then redirect to Golden mean and make that into a disambiguation page. -- Egil 13:18, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, let me see if I can be coherent. Basically: concur with Finell. Dpbsmith (talk) 14:20, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep the article title itself, since I think the term really is frequently used with that capitalization.
 * Keep the article Golden mean, which currently happens to be a redirect to Golden ratio.
 * Hope for a quick edit of the article to remove anything obviously erroneous or less useful than Golden ratio, and clarify whatever relationships there are between the Golden Mean and Golden ratio articles. Basically, separate them into a philosophy article and a math article even if there is really some overlap in the respective concepts.
 * Keep a cleanup tag on the article.
 * Copy Finell's comment above to the Talk page as a reasonable program for what needs to be done.
 * Hope for editing of the page by people knowledgable in classics and philosophy
 * Defer all the issues of which pages should be redirects, which should be dabs, etc. as normal editing issues. Dpbsmith (talk) 14:20, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge (if necessary) and Redirect Golden Ratio is a good article, but I call it the golden mean (or the Golden Section at times. The entry is perfectly valid, but the concept isn't really different from Golden Ratio McKay 17:49, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. As per Finell. It also needs to be moved to "Golden section" a more correct title, IMO . ≈ jossi fresco ≈ 02:03, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: In addition to the above, I know that Aristotle uses the idea of the "golden mean" as the point of virute in his Nicomachean Ethics. One example: He describes courage as the virtue being at golden mean between cowardice and fool-hardiness.  David Bergan 04:15, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep There needs to be better disambiguation between this article and Golden Ratio/golden mean. A new introductory paragraph should be put in to make clear the different uses of 'golden mean' (not just mathematical term), and its relationship with 'golden ratio' and perhaps difference from 'golden rule'.  I agree with the above comment that more work on the philosophical section needs to be done too.  Perhaps some of the sections should be merged with appropriate articles--golden ratio seems a good target for this--but in general, the article still needs work but should be kept.  WhiteC 14:59, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

New complication
Now there is a new Golden mean article that is solely a redirect to Golden ratio in addition to the present Golden Mean article (note the difference in capitalization) being discussed here (which no one will find in a search now unless they capitalize Mean). Talk about a need for disambiguation! Angela, a Board of Trustees member, apparently created the new Golden mean redirect page. I will leave a note on her Talk page. Finell 20:55, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Doesn't sound like a serious complication. It can all be dealt with as normal editing. But we might as well start tabulating just how many pages should be involved. I just checked and Golden Section and Golden section both redirect to Golden ratio. Good. And Phi is a dab with Golden ratio as the first alternative. Also good.
 * I think we need about two separate articles, with math in one and philosophy/classics in the other. Not sure which one aesthetics best belongs in. I don't think it much matters whether there's a "central" disambiguation page, or whether each of the two articles has a short, pithy cross-reference to the other. What matters is that a reader searching for any of this stuff should be able to type in any of these terms and find what they're looking for. And that the articles be good.
 * Phyllotaxis should be woven into this web, too.
 * Do we have an article on the Goldena medina? Apparently not... Dpbsmith (talk) 22:59, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Than can be easily fixed after the conclusion of the AfD. ≈ jossi fresco ≈ 02:04, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * NOTE: Angela responded, on her Talk page, to Finell 20:55, 4 October 2005 (UTC) as follows: "Sorry, but I don't remember why I moved the page to that title. I have no opinion on whether it needs deleting. Angela 14:56, 6 October 2005 (UTC)"

In view Angela's response, and to reduce confusion of users who search for "golden mean," I edited the Golden mean page to redirect to the Golden Mean article. However, consistent with Wiki capitalization guidelines, Golden Mean should be renamed Golden mean. Because Golden mean already exists, this change requires an Administrator. Finell 04:58, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Talk:Writing spider

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This page is incorrectly pointed to an australian spider. The "Writing Spider" is the spider that Charlotte's Web was based on. It is a common spider in America. I've seen them in Virginia and I recently saw a picture of one that was taken in North Carolina.

Here's a good page on this spider that includes quotes from Charlotte's Web.

http://bss.sfsu.edu/holzman/courses/Fall%2003%20project/writing_spider.htm

Here's a picture of one that was recently published on Flickr. I know the author of this picture and am sure they would allow it to be used under a commos-like license.

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=48061027&context=photostream&size=l

Kevin Bedell 23:54, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

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Muhammad ibn Azhar ad-Din

Muhammad ibn Azhar ad-Din (محمد بن الأزهر الدين) (reigned 1488–1518) was a Sultan of the Sultanate of Adal. Sihab ad-Din Ahmad states in his Futuh al-Habasha that he was the son of Azhar, the second son of Abu Bakr, one of the ten sons of Sa'ad ad-Din II, and ruled for 30 years.

Reign
Sultan Muhammad attempted to remain at peace with the Emperor Na'od, but his efforts were foiled by the frequent raids of Imam Mahfuz. He was present with Imam Mahfuz when Emperor Lebna Dengel attacked and destroyed the Imam's army in Dawaro in 1516. Lebna Dengel would then proceed to lay waste to Muhammad Azhar ad-Din's residence in Dakkar during his invasion of Adal.

Muhammad was murdered upon his return from an expedition against Ethiopia a few years after the Imam's death. J. Spencer Trimingham states that he was succeeded as Sultan of Adal by Garad Abun ibn Adash, who was not a member of the Walashma dynasty; Sihab ad-Din, however, writes that it was his relative in marriage, Muhammad bin Abu Bakr bin Mahfuz, who succeeded him as Sultan. Richard Pankhurst follows Trimingham's general account, noting that Adal "was then torn apart by intestinal struggles, five sultans succeeding one another within two years."

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Svrljig

Svrljig (Сврљиг, ) is a town and municipality located in the Nišava District of the southern Serbia. According to 2011 census, the town has a population of 7,553 inhabitants, while the municipality has 14,249.

Geography
Svrljig is situated on the river Svrljiški Timok, 30 km east from Niš, the third largest city in Serbia. Nearby villages include Crnoljevica and Prekonoga.

Settlements
Aside from the town of Svrljig, the municipality includes the following settlements:

 * Beloinje
 * Bučum
 * Burdimo
 * Crnoljevica
 * Davidovac
 * Drajinac
 * Đurinac
 * Galibabinac
 * Gojmanovac
 * Grbavče
 * Gulijan
 * Guševac
 * Izvor
 * Kopajkošara
 * Labukovo
 * Lalinac
 * Lozan
 * Lukovo
 * Manojlica
 * Mečji Do
 * Merdželat
 * Niševac
 * Okolište
 * Okruglica
 * Palilula
 * Periš
 * Pirkovac
 * Plužina
 * Popšica
 * Prekonoga
 * Radmirovac
 * Ribare
 * Slivje
 * Šljivovik
 * Tijovac
 * Varoš
 * Vlahovo
 * Željevo

Anthropology
An anthropological study by Mihailo Kostić claimed that the Svrljig province was inhabited by mostly an "olden" population, while part descends from "colonists from the second half of the 15th century". According to Petar Vlahović, Svrljig is part of the Serbian Šopi ethnographical region.

Middle Ages
Svrljig was the name of a župa (county) in the Middle Ages. It is mentioned (for the first time) in the geographical list of counties and cities in the 1019–20 charters of Byzantine Emperor Basil II. The settlement and its surrounding region is mentioned as part of the Eparchy of Niš. In 1183, Svrljig and other nearby fortifications were taken over by Serbian Grand Prince Stefan Nemanja. The fortification mostly dates to the medieval Serbian period. It was situated on the road which connected Niš with the road to Constantinople. An evangelion manuscript written in Svrljig in the Serbian redaction of Old Slavic dating to 1279 is preserved in fragments. After the fall of Braničevo under the Serbian king Stefan Milutin in 1290s Svrljig became a border region. Svrljig was conquered and plundered in 1413 by Ottoman prince Musa Çelebi. It was then part of Stefan Lazarević's Serbian Despotate.

Early modern period
The town was known as Isferlik and Isfirlig in Ottoman Turkish. It was administratively part of the Sanjak of Vidin.

Modern
During the Toplica Uprising (1917), Serbian guerrilla bands were active in the region.

In 1922, the Niš–Svrljig–Knjaževac–Zaječar highway was built. From 1929 to 1941, Svrljig was part of the Morava Banovina of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. During World War II, Yugoslav Partisans were active in the region.

Demographics
According to the 2011 census results, the municipality of Svrljig has 14,249 inhabitants.

Ethnic groups
The ethnic composition of the municipality is:

Economy
The following table gives a preview of total number of employed people per their core activity (as of 2017):

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