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Talk:Tally Hall/Archive 1

early blanking
This webpage was self-promotional and not worthwhile knowledge, hence I took the liberty of deleting it. I request that this page be removed permanently from Wikipedia.

Thanks, -Larry

 * Hi! Please don't blank pages. If you want a page deleted, follow the instructions on Articles for Deletion. If the majority agrees, it will be deleted. --JoanneB 12:14, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I too agree that this page is currently self-promotional in some ways. I will make a few changes. On the other hand, this page covers a valid subject: a musical band that has officially recorded an album with a publishing company. Fans exist, and if you delete this page (for real), at some point, another fan will create a new page in their ignorance of the precedent and thus lacking quality. The solution is to establish a valid style that can be later modified.

 * How presumptuous of Larry. They are the biggest local band in Ann Arbor (where I go to school).  They are also known on some national level as they've won two John Lennon Songwriting Contests, and a music video will be featured on three upcoming episodes of The Real World Key West and a song will be featured in two upcoming episode of the OC

. They are obviously an up-and-coming, relevant band. What's Larry's problem?

 * Some changes I will make shortly:
 * Removing most of the links to the videos. Those are easily linked to from the band's official site. I will change the subject in that section to how the music vid 'Banana Man' gained significant initial publicity for the band.
 * Gertlex 22:20, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Band Member section
Edit to section stated this was taken from their website... and would be a copyvio. Regardless it is a bit too "fanboy". If someone wants to add expanded bios using their site as source material that is fine, but do an original write and try and retain a bit more encyclopedic tone.--Isotope23 19:55, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Page move
Saw the page move request. I originally thought "Tally Hall" referred to something quite different, but I found this researching:. The building is an office/parking structure. Info suggests the building has a mixed history and has been unused for various periods. While it is not mentioned by name in History of Ann Arbor, Michigan, from descriptions and maps, the lead picture may have been taken from the parking structure. There was also a Tally Hall Press in the same city. Both the publisher and the band likely got their names from the building. From what I can tell, neither the building nor the publisher are very notable, so the band should have the main article space. The building should definitely be mentioned in the band article if it is the source of the band name, and the publisher could be mentioned there too as another entity which took its name from the building. Gimmetrow 01:41, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Just to clarify, the band's name is not taken from the Ann Arbor building, but from the shopping center in Farmington Hills where "Marvin's" stands. The article is correct on this point. Jnmwiki (talk) 23:38, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Comments
Is the mini-mall really all that notable?--Donbert 16:13, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I originally thought "Tally Hall" referred to something quite different, but I found this researching: . The building is an office/parking structure.  Info suggests the building has a mixed history and has been unused for various periods. While it is not mentioned by name in History of Ann Arbor, Michigan, from descriptions and maps, the lead picture may have been taken from the parking structure. There was also a Tally Hall Press in the same city. Both the publisher and the band likely got their names from the building. From what I can tell, neither the building nor the publisher are very notable, so the band should have the main article space. The building should definitely be mentioned in the band article if it is the source of the band name, and the publisher could be mentioned there too as another entity which took its name from the building. Gimmetrow 01:38, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I have redirected to Tally Hall (band). —Centrx→talk • 02:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

shouldnt we also list their appearance on The Late Late Show With Craig Ferguson and their cover of Smile Like You Mean It, which is a part of the OC soundtrack? Not to mention, now that they're semi-famous, their entire song devoted to Mary-Kate and Ashley Olson should be mentioned somewhere on WP. Blueaster 09:19, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

References 1, 2 & 4 are all 404's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.148.206.68 (talk) 00:25, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Article history
This article was originally created on June 26, 2005. It underwent various revisions until October 6, 2005, at which point it was nominated for deletion; the consensus was that the group was not then sufficiently notable (although I personally disagreed), and the article was deleted on October 15, 2005. The band continued to perform, and subsequently did achieve the requisite level of notability; as a consequence, the article was re-created independently on January 5, 2006. On January 24, 2007, the histories of the two versions were merged. DS 15:39, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Recordings?
That link to archive.org - the collection seems to be empty. Anyone know anything more about it? DS 15:46, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Atlantic Records
According to an email just sent out by thier email list, they have been signed by Atlantic Records. No mention of this has been made on the sight though, and the email said "more to come on this later" so it probably shouldn't be included in the article yet. But if anyone is still thinking this page should be considered for deletion, think again - these guys are gonna be big. According to the email, Marvin's Marvelous Mechanical Museum will be re-released this fall by Atlantic. Snowboardpunk 03:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Happy Monster Band
Is it true that Tally Hall is involved with the Happy Monster Band? The IMDb seems to say so: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1073606/ 71.241.92.195 02:55, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Complete Demos.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I've uploaded a photo of them playing live, replacing a previously uploaded one that I felt was of very poor quality. What this page needs is granted permission from Atlantic Records to place an official promo shot of the band. I will look into getting the permission, but how do I prove I have it? --Cozbaldwin (talk) 04:53, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Internet show?
"Taking on an even larger role within the band's video portfolio will be the ten part series Tally Hall's Internet Show, scheduled to debut on April 22nd, 2008 with each episode being approximately ten minutes long. The content is said to include skits, music, and band-related shorts."

This date has passed. I have never heard about this and I'm not sure if this really exists. I will try to check it myself, if I can. Mynameisnotpj (talk) 11:26, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I went to the official website and unfortunately, the new website design is not finished. When I googled ""Tally Hall's internet show", the only things that came up were blocked by my school.  I will try tonight, when I get home. Mynameisnotpj (talk) 11:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

The internet show is very real and would have debuted by now if it wasn't for complications between the band and its label. According to Atlantic Records (as of 2 days ago) the Internet Show will launch in about a month. They've already got 5 episodes completed and finishing up the other 5 as we speak. --Cozbaldwin (talk) 04:19, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Good & Evil
I merged the Good & Evil info from the Tally Hall article to the (at the time sparse) Good & Evil article itself. It is more appropriate there. --131.229.168.162 (talk) 05:49, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

general cleaning
I just cleaned a number of items, including the above listed fan site (see WP:ELNO). I completely hid the trivia section per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trivia sections. Most of it could be removed, but any "important" information should be merged into the appropriate section. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:19, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

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Aluminium
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 * KK...thnx...

WWI battle articles
Great job on the new articles you've started! As you asked here, I took a look at them and did some minor cleanup of the battleboxes and categories; you should try to fill in "Unknown" for commanders/strength/casualties in the battleboxes rather than leaving them blank, since blank fields can sometimes cause the template to break in funny ways. Other than that, the articles are off to a good start.

If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to ask! Kirill Lokshin 02:39, September 8, 2005 (UTC)

Cat Question
hi. a recent comment seems to imply that others who happen by your question have a responsibility to know the answer, or otherwise respond. the question might be better posed though at a cat forum, or maybe google answers. article talk pages, by wikipedia guideline, tend to stay directly related to the articles, not just the general subjects of the articles. that may be why nobody's answering, but i dunno; questions can sometimes sit for days before somebody answers, since many wikipedians visit infrequently. SaltyPig 15:01, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

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Hope that helps! Kirill Lokshin 01:35, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

Maubeuge
I threw the page together from the one reference I gave at the bottom of the page. On most of the facts I could cross check the information in Wikipedia or on the web from the names. But you will note that I did not put in a link to Fournier because I could not find his full name in any of the searches I did. If you have his full name then please let me know. As I only used one source for the article it may be wrong on that point. If you have two other sources which say so then your two trump my one. I do not suggest that you expunge Maubeuge completely from the retreat but you can reduce it to a sentence. eg "After a two week [siege of Maubeuge|siege the French fortress Maubeuge], now far behind the German front lines, surrendered on 7 September". BTW which part of NZ are you in? Philip Baird Shearer 10:16, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Oh yes one other thing, you will find as you read senior military biographys that firing someone over such a thing as defeatism is par for the course. As a new labour politician one said on sitting in the House of Commons for the first time "It is good to see the enemy at last" to which the old hand who was tasked with showing him around said "They are only the opposition, the enemy are all around you". Philip Baird Shearer 10:21, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I lived in the Breeze for 18 months, mostly in Karori, but at the moment I am 20,000 kilometres away. Philip Baird Shearer 11:17, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Helping hand
Thanks a lot! Hopefully the WWI/WWII tags will bring in some editors that only work in those areas. Kirill Lokshin 05:29, September 13, 2005 (UTC)

Re: Great Retreat
Hello, Spawn Man. May I introduce you to the inuse tag ? Don't put up the tag and leave the article unattended for days, though. Next time, you may want to make drafts in your personal sandbox (e.g. User:Spawn Man/Sandbox), and then move the article out when it is ready. This way, you can write at your own pace, and won't have to worry about edit conflicts with other wikipedians while your work is still in progress. Hope this helps. Happy editing. -- PFHLai 20:36, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Sorry about this, I have been sick for a few days (Cry). I will take your advice however...Spawn Man 08:53, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Hey, Spawn Man, I was merely making suggestions. I just thought template:inuse is useful to you, and wanted to let you know about it. No need to apologise for anything. Certainly no need to cry ! Wipe those tears off your face ! .... Hmmm, not that you've done anything evil, but I'll "forgive" you if you, say, from now on, always submit an edit summary with your contributions to Wikipedia. Okay ? How is this as a "punishment" ? :-) Haha. .... Anyway, hope you are feeling better. Take care. -- PFHLai 14:45, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Some people don't get sarcassism... Spawn Man 04:54, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
 * So, did you get my sarcasm ? ;-) -- PFHLai 06:33, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I was making a pun on SARC - ASS - ASM, Cough Cough... I'm such a joker. Spawn Man 06:41, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Request
I'll see what I can do! Kirill Lokshin 12:34, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

DYK

 * Are you checking this out Spawn my man? The article YOU started and brought me in to edit made "DID YOU KNOW?" That's one step removed from featured status. Well done! High 5! and Cheers M8;) --R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 02:45, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Help
I'll keep an eye on it and archive when it gets too large; I'm going to be mostly without a computer until Sunday, so I'll apologize in advance if it seems like I'm not responding :)

Amazing job on getting so many DYK entries in such a short time; I haven't gotten any yet (maybe because I don't usually create new articles...). I'll take a look at some of them after I get back to see if I can help out. In the meantime, keep up the great work! Kirill Lokshin 13:22, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks Kirill, there's no rush of course...Spawn Man 21:21, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

http://www.firstworldwar.com/ copyvio
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as François Anthoine, but we regretfully cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. For more information about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, take a look at our Five Pillars. Happy editing!
 * It's tough to work on articles on obscure people. If you were to look at my talk page, you would notice that someone expressed concern about some of my articles being too close to copyrighted information for comfort.  That said, François Anthoine was a direct cut-and-paste from a copyrighted source.  That's really not okay.  So, what does one do when one has only one source as a reference?  Obviously, my standards for paraphrasing are different than the concerned user who warned me, and "rewriting in one's own words" as a guideline is not very precise.  The best solution is to find additional sources (where did firstworldwar.com get their information?).  I didn't find any additional sources online, but M. Anthoine may be mentioned in books on WWI.  Failing that, one could create a very short stub and give a link to the one source.  That way, a reader can find out more, there is no infringement, and we can hope that in the future some Wikipedian will come across some other avenue for research and expand it.  Best of luck.  Jkelly 23:38, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks Kelly. However I did not simply cut & paste. I still don't know how it ended up exactly like firstworldwar.com, but somehow it did. I must have stuffed my rewriting up somehow. I will be more careful next time on copyright stuff though. I am still only finding out about new laws etc. This honest mistake won't happen again.  Spawn Man 03:09, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
I can't promise I'm going to be much general help (my history of knowledge being neither broad nor deep), but enough WProj:Battle tags have ended up on my articles that I figured I may as well officially join up. I'm not sure how well some of the medieval Africa battle articles are going to fit in, though, as it's difficult to get even good estimates for force strength, divisions, etc. Still I'd be thrilled if some battle-minded editors took a look at them and expanded/revised/touched up/totally rewrote more intelligently... See you around! --Dvyost 17:20, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi
Hi Spawn man. My friendship with Shauri is not your business to comment on. I am sure that she has read your three messages and that she will respond to you if she wants to :-).--Wiglaf 11:57, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * PS. Please, if you wish to pursue this discussion, do so here or on my talkpage.--Wiglaf 14:15, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Gosh, who stole the diamond from your doughnut?!? Was just making a comment, which, however stuck up you may be, most get as a JOKE! I bet you have heard of that yet, you should get to know what a joke is, see here 1. It really helps to dislodge certain vegetables from gluteus maximuses in some sircumstances. I don't like being critisised for my jokes, & that was an obvious joke. Anyway.... Goodbye...Spawn Man 21:33, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

 * P.S. If you wish to continue our discussion, to so, I mean do so here:

 * P.P.S. Someone vandalised my user page, and you're at the top of my list, I'm watching you closely, veeeeeeerry closely...

 * [[Image:Peace_dove.gif|left|60px]]Please stop it, both of you. No need to make a fuss out of this, joke or not. This isn't that serious. Come on you two, shake your hands... let's have peace... or I'll be forced to give this lovely little dove a horrible and gruesome death, and make you eat the feathers afterwards! Shauri  [[Image:Heart.gif|12px]]  smile!  22:48, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Mmmmm, dove pie...My favourite... (Not really) Just one question, how does a dentist know all those languages?? I only know 1 & a half.... Spawn Man
 * Studying languages has always been a passion of mine, but Italian and French, I merely learned (if I can truly say I know either) by myself. Catalan and Spanish are both my native languages, so that leaves English and Russian as the only ones I ever actually studied. Add ten years of not practising Russian at all, and - voila! you have an En-4 and a Ru-1 dentist :)
 * Just one more thing, my dear Spawn - I'm positive Wiglaf didn't vandalize anything. He's a very serious user and admin, and not one who would go making such a childish thing. He meant well to protect his friend, but I'm sure this is nothing but a minor misunderstanding. Trust me. Take care! Shauri  [[Image:Heart.gif|12px]]  smile!  23:26, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I guessed that, I was joking after all. BTW, I'm part Russian.

Hi Spawman. Since Shauri asks me to be nice to you, I will overlook the edit you did to my post, this time. As for the vandalism of your userpage, I politely ask you to be realistic in your accusations. First of all, I would never sink so low so as to vandalise your user page. Secondly, I fail to see why I would go to New Zealand (where you live) in order to do so, as you can see on the location of the vandal's IP-address: .--Wiglaf 07:13, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Gosh Wigwam, you're too serious. Take a vacation or something. Plus, I was talking about the first vandal to my page, the second vandal, (the one in New Zealand) was me testing how fast vandalism would be removed. But the first vandal, it could quite possibly be you.... We just don't know....Muahahahaa.... Secondly, it was a joke!! Thirdly, I don't need you to pretend to be nice to me. Fourthly, just cause you have a Phd, & I'm 14 & in a wheel chair, don't think you can talk down to me & act all superior. Gosh, as I've said before: Joke! Spawn Man 07:24, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't treat you worse or better because of your age or your condition. If you feel that I have treated you worse than I would treat other users, I apologize for that. Take care.--Wiglaf 08:00, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Apology accepted mate. (I don't know what you mean by "condition" though, I don't have a "condition").
 * You mentioned a wheel chair, and I thought you might have got hurt in an accident or something.--Wiglaf 08:07, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

 * No, wheel chair, as in office chair with wheels. I must have missed out on the 'y' after wheel, (wheely chair). Sorry if you got confused. (Laughs heartily). Spawn Man 09:12, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I see. I hope that you will be more careful with your jokes, spelling and with the copying of barnstars in the future. That would save both of us unnecessary misunderstandings. Cheers,--Wiglaf 10:34, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * PS, the next time, you change my post (this is the second time), I will be forced to give you a temporary block for vandalism.--Wiglaf 11:00, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

 * 1, The barn star was an accident as I mentioned. 2, I don't expect you to get my jokes. 3, I don't really care if you get my jokes. 4, When did you become my mother & start recording everything I do. 5, It's my user talk page, & I will edit things the way I want to, as many other people have done, & as I have done in the past. I would expect you to edit my posts on your talk page. So unless you want to ban me, & everyone else who's done this, I would suggest you leave it alone. I may chose to delete my entire talk page. It's not really your choice. Show me the rules that say a user isn't allowed to edit his own user page & I will apologise. 6, I reverted my mistake on the barnstar. 7, Notice how you were much nicer when you thought I was disabled? 8, I would leave me alone now, before I make a complaint about harrassment of a 14 year old. I feel that you are very threatening, & that you have gone too far over a stupid joke. If it makes you feel any better, fine, I retract my joke. Make you feel better? Mr. Phd man? Picking on a 14 year old? I don't care if I lose friends over arguing with you, but my two word joke was harmless & I deserve the right of freedom of speech. Now please just leave me alone... ALONE!!!!.... Spawn Man 12:06, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Check out this link Vandalism, and you will see that you are only allowed to modify messages containing personal attacks. I will leave you alone now. I am sorry for this last message, but I need to clarify the rules as an admin.--Wiglaf 12:15, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Enough
Spawn, please calm down. I feel responsible in part for this, since it all started in my Talk Page, but I feel compelled to make you a couple of remarks. First, I honestly don't like that you selectively edited the messages that Wiglaf posted here with undoubted good intention. Indeed, this is you Talk Page, but it is also a place to be used by other to communicate, so it's not right to retouch others' messages at will in order to make them appear as something their author did not intend to. I, for once, did not notice the fact at first because I really didn't think someone would do that. From my point of view, it's like counterfeiting a letter. Look at it with objective eyes, Spawn. Second, I'm sure the wheel chair thing might be considered as a joke by some, but believe me, it's not. There may well be users who suffer a physical disability who stumble with it, and I can't help but to think how they would feel by reading it. Making a joke out of a personal condition is distasteful, to say the least. I friendly suggest you to calm down, consider the facts properly, and see that Wiglaf is not overreacting in the least; furthermore, I'm fully by him on this. I'm more than willing to forget the wheel chair thing and the distortion of Wiglaf's message (although I feel somewhat cheated) if you offer him an apollogy. I don't think that would mean to humiliate yourself; on the contrary, it would honor you to recognise that you simply made a mistake, something none of us is above. You'll lose nothing, and you'll gain much: the knowledge of a few WP rules, our respect, and our friendship. Take good care, Shauri    smile!  19:45, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Omifreakingosh!! Does no one get jokes around here? I could get a better response from a mortuary!! You know what your problems are? You're all stuck up. The earth is like a rice bar. Except everyone has 2 metre long chopsticks. Instead of feeding each other with the chopsticks, everyone tries to feed themselves. Of course no one eats anything cause we're all too selfish & stuck up. Basically the world sucks. See my post below which will round off this arguement fully... Spawn Man 12:33, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Might I add enough PLEASE, as per the message I left you on my talk page. Sincerely, your best Wiki friend,--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 21:09, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Replied here: User talk:R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine). Goodbye. Spawn Man 00:44, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Issue
The information shown on the two battle pages were linked and used with raw information from the website shown. You say you have used other sites for the information - in future, please cite your sources Wikiphreak 23:50, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

I did not use the source, firstworldwar.com for the articles. I used both another site & my own books to gather the information from. I looked at the pages which you referenced & compared them with the articles. They have absolutely nothing in common other than the subject & a few stats, such as how many people died in the battle. Spawn Man 23:59, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

I have reverted to the two copyvio notices. Wikiphreak has provided no specific pages that this is a copyvio of and I can't find any myself. Evil Monkey∴Hello 00:28, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, it seems that this has already been resolved :) I've left Wikiphreak a note explaining that facts are not covered by copyright; he seems to be under the impression that using the same numbers is infringement.
 * In any case, firstworldwar.com looks to be a reputable source; perhaps it should be listed as a reference, and further information from it added to the articles. Kirill Lokshin 01:22, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you both for helping. I'm glad that issue is over. Thanks again :)))))))) Spawn Man 02:16, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

DYK
I'm on fire!! Not literally, but poetically if you must. That's like 50 billion DYK contributions in a week already!! Spawn Man

Please review the civility pages again
Hi, Spawn Man. This is about your exchange with Wiglaf above. Please be civil to other users; that is, as the welcome message on this page states, one of the Five Pillars of Wikipedia. Your talk page is for communication with others, it is not your personal weblog, and all the usual rules of Civility apply to it. I notice that when you got crosswise with Wikipedia civlity here, you did say (after a lot of beefing about people criticizing you) "I have read your civilty etc pages now & will follow them closely." Please review the civility pages again. Don't edit another person's signed comment, whether on your own talk page or elsewhere. As you can see if you follow the link to Vandalism that Wiglaf posted above, doing that counts as vandalism. You are likely to find your behaviour on WP:AN/I again, or the subject of a request for comment, if you carry on commenting on other users the way I see you doing above, it is completely inappropriate. I suggest you apologize to Wiglaf. Best wishes, Bishonen | talk 14:30, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Wont need to worry about that anymore... Spawn Man

Looks like Spawn Man is annoyed at the admins. Uh oh. Wikiphreak 01:45, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Please respond to the comments
Please respond to the comments and stop removing other people's posts, if they are not personal attacks. The comments you have received are too serious for that.--Wiglaf 07:52, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Your case has been listed on WP:AN/I. This will ensure you maximum transparency, so you need not fear to be unfairly treated.--Wiglaf 09:53, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Summary:
Well, what a gruelling argument. I call myself a top knotch debater, but I had a tough time dealing with all of you. This all started when I wrote a comment on Shauri's talk page:

Wiglaf said: "Nice pics on your user page Shauri". (Or along those lines)

I say : "A bit creepy...".

Obviously a joke, obviously meant in a good light-hearted fun way. Not taken that way. Apparently, to my extent of knowledge, Wiglaf & Shauri had a Thing going. So of course Wiglaf took offense. After all he didn't get a Phd for telling jokes all day.

I was under the impression that I could delete or edit whatever part of my user talk I wished to. Obviously not, & I admit I was wrong on that, even though I'd seen many other user conduct this, including R.D.H (Ghost In The Machine).

Although the start of the arguement was meaningless to me, it was not so for Wiglaf. Add a couple of vandalisms, including one of a placement of Helen Clark on my user page, (good joke, but I still dislike her), & a bad week, plus my articles being wrongly blocked plus what I thought was Wiglaf talking down to me, (you can't argue with how I feel), & of course it didn't go down well. I particularly disliked the way no one saw that half of what I was saying was a joke?!? For example, I knew it wasn't Wiglaf who vandalised my talk page, but I accused him in a joking manner, as I did practically everyone who I came into contact with that day.

My joke on me being in a wheel chair was not actually a true joke, but rather a test to see if Wiglaf would treat me any different if he thought I was disabled. In fact, it worked so well, I even got an apology out of Wiglaf at that point!! After I told him I was being more literal about being in a wheel chair (office chair with wheels on it) he went back to being what I thought was mean.

On top of all this, I particularly despised the way Wiglaf pointed out every mistake I had made during the course of the argument. An example is the accidental barn star deletion. Although he mentioned that I accidentally deleted one of Shauri's barnstars, (in an attempt to copy it in order to give to a user who had helped me), he did not however state that I reverted my edit a few seconds later.

In an argument between two parties, I don't think we need a third, or fourth, (Shauri/R.D.H.) trapsing through the conflict. Because although Wiglaf potentially started the conflict by taking things as I saw, out of perportion, these parties made numerous attempts to make me apologise first & back down. Some even stated that I needed to do some growing up, which I particularly hated.

This is my summary. The End. Spawn Man 12:58, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Nomination for Adminship
Spawn man, thanks for the nomination. I'm glad that you found my help useful, and that you seem to be really delving in headfirst into the 'pedia and enjoying it. I'm excited to get to make this little step up in the Wiki hierarchy - and if there's ever something else you need help with, please feel free to ask. LordAmeth 14:54, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * No problem Ameth. I hope you get adminship. There's not a more worthy reciever... Spawn Man 23:03, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Top Classic Rock
I was looking for the song Thuder by AC/DC and I think you might be mistaken. I think your actually thinking of Thunderstruck or maybe it's by another band. Please let me know which of these it is. 17:44, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Dear Spawn Man
Dear Steven, regarding the issue of the hidden anti vandal notice that Wiglaf placed on my User page and which Durin brought up, I wish to make clear that the issue has been properly addressed, understood and solved amiably between by Wiglaf and Durin, as you can see here:. The text is no longer there, and all vandals have been unblocked by Wiglaf himself. It is impossible that Wiglaf would block you, for any reason. There is no ongoing dispute between anyone involved right now. So relax.

I say we all start over again. Let's put the past behind us. There is no real reason why we can't all get along. I can assure none of us looked down to you, nor the hidden text was directed at you, but to vandals who took delight in tearing my page apart. So let's move on, cooperate and have peace, all of us. Sounds OK to you?

I see that nobody has as of yet given you an award for your hard work. It's time to correct that. You deserve it. Have a nice day, Shauri    smile!  01:04, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Sounds great to me. I was just adding to the conversation on Wiglaf's talk page however, blissfully unaware the discussion was already resolved on the other talk page. As for anything else, everything is already forgotten... Spawn Man 01:14, 9 October 2005 (UTC) P.S. Thanks for the star thingy...

 * Star Thingy?! HAHAHAHA That's the friggin Pour le Mérite!!!... now I'M JEALOUS:) Just joking, it is VERY well deserved! Plus is will look great on your living room wall:) Cheers my friend--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 16:38, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Golden Willow
Hi Steven - hope you won't mind, I've merged this into the existing page White Willow, of which Golden Willow is just a cultivar - it was already covered there :-) - MPF 10:28, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi Steven - sorry you feel offended; problem is, cultivars are generally best dealt with under the species they derive from, it sets them better in their context and enables them to be compared with the species and with other similar cultivars. Generally, only a very small handful of the most important commercial crop cultivars (e.g. 'Golden Delicious' apple) are sufficiently important to merit a page of their own. Another problem (in this case) is that it potentially leads to confusion as there's nothing in the page name to indicate that it isn't a distinct species - yet (apart from the twig colour) there's very little to distinguish it from White Willow; the tree size, bark, leaves, flowers, pests and diseases, etc., are all the same, strengthening the case for having it within the White Willow page. If there's more you'd like to add at White Willow (on the species, Golden Willow, or other cultivars), please do! Hope this helps - MPF 01:10, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

 * KK....I'll do that... Spawn Man 01:50, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

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 * Ma'afu, Enele: Tongan Prince and Fijian Chief (19th Century).
 * MacKenzie, Sir Kenneth: Attorney General of Fiji (1922-1927).
 * Macuata: a Province of Fiji.
 * Macuata East Cakaudrove (Indian Communal Constituency, Fiji): One of 19 communal constituencies in the Fijian House of Representatives that was formerly reserved for Indo-Fijians.
 * Macuata East (Open Constituency, Fiji): One of 25 former Open Constituencies in the Fijian House of Representatives.
 * Macuata (Fijian Communal Constituency, Fiji): One of 23 communal constituencies in the Fijian House of Representatives that was formerly reserved for Indigenous Fijians.
 * Madraiwiwi, Ratu Joni - Fijian chief (1859-1920).
 * Magodro (Open Constituency, Fiji): One of 25 former Open Constituencies in the Fijian House of Representatives.
 * Maharaj, Sanjeet Chand: Fiji Labour Party politician.
 * Maivalili, Ratu Kinijoji, Senator.
 * Major, Sir Charles Henry: Chief Justice of Fiji (1902-1914) and Acting Governor (1910-1911); Chief Justice of British Guinea (1914-1933).
 * Makogai: an island in Fiji's Lomaiviti archipelago.
 * Malani, Ratu Wilisoni Tuiketai: Fijian medical doctor, chief, and politician.
 * Mamanuca Islands: an archipelago to the west of Nadi, Fiji.
 * Managreve, Injimo: Chairman of the Council of Rotuma.
 * Manufolau, Daniel Urai: Fijian politician.
 * Mara, Ratu Finau: Fijian lawyer, politician, and diplomat.
 * Mara, Ratu Sir Kamisese: Father of the modern Fijian nation.
 * Mara, Ro Adi Lady Lala: The former First Lady of Fiji.
 * Mara, Ratu Tevita Uluilakeba: Former Fijian Army Chief of Staff.
 * Mara-Rasova, Adi Elenoa: Fijian chieftainess and daughter of founding father Ratu Sir Kamisese Mara.
 * Masilaca, Asaeli: Fijian politician.
 * Master of the High Court (Fiji): junior judges who sit on Fiji's High Court.
 * Mataca, Petero: Roman Catholic Archbishop of Fiji.
 * Matagi: one of three islands to the east of Thurston Point, Taveuni, Fiji.
 * Matairavula, Irami: Fijian parliamentarian.
 * Matakibau, Samuela: Senor Fiji police officer.
 * Matanitobua, Naomi: Chief Magistrate of Fiji.
 * Matanitobua, Ratu Suliano, Fijian former Cabinet Minister.
 * Matuku, Fiji: an island in Fiji's Lau archipelago.
 * Methodist Church of Fiji and Rotuma: Fiji's largest Christian denomination.
 * Military-church relations in Fiji: With particular focus on the strains caused by the Unity Bill.
 * Military opposition to the Reconciliation, Tolerance, and Unity Bill (Fiji): Opposing the pardoning of political prisoners.
 * Military unrest since the Fiji coup of 2000: on the increasing tension between the Fijian government and the Military.
 * Mishra, Ghananand - Fijian judge (1916-2005).
 * Moala: an island in Fiji's Lau archipelago.
 * Moala Islands: an island in Fiji's Lau archipelago.
 * Moawad, Nayla: Lebanese politician.
 * Moderate voices on the Reconciliation, Tolerance, and Unity Bill (Fiji): more nuanced positions on the Fijian government's proposed Reconciliation and Unity Commission.
 * Momoedonu, Ratu Tevita: Prime Minister of Fiji.
 * Municipal elections in Fiji: an overview of elections to Fiji's city and town councils.
 * Mupnar, Perumal: Fijian politician.
 * Musingku, Noah: warlord and Bougainville separatist leader.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jokaroo

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. -R. fiend 04:47, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Jokaroo
Non-notable website. Al 12:09, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. It meets WP:WEB on the aspect "Having a forum with 5,000 or more apparently unique members". When I signed up just to see how members there were, I received member id 45530. It exceeds the minimal requirement by over 9 times. -- SoothingR 12:19, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Are you sure member ids are given out in order? - Mgm|(talk) 09:18, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rewrite gets quite a few Googles but is currently an ad.    Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk  12:30, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Sufficiently notable, but definitely needs a rewrite -Abe Dashiell 13:56, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

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Sant'Agnese fuori le mura

The church of Saint Agnes Outside the Walls (Sant'Agnese fuori le mura) is a titular church, a minor basilica in Rome, on a site sloping down from the Via Nomentana, which runs north-east out of the city, still under its ancient name. What are said to be the remains of Saint Agnes are below the high altar. The church is built over the Catacombs of Saint Agnes, where the saint was originally buried, and which may still be visited from the church. A large basilica with the same name was built nearby in the 4th century and its ruins can be seen near Santa Costanza, in the same site. The existing church was built by Pope Honorius I in the 7th century, and largely retains its original structure, despite many changes to the decoration. In particular the mosaic in the apse of Agnes, Honorius, and another Pope is largely in its original condition. The current Cardinal Priest of the Titulus S. Agnetis Extra moenia is Camillo Ruini.

History
A very large basilica was built some metres from the present church in the 4th century, to which was attached the large private mausoleum for Constantina, the daughter of Constantine I. The mausoleum was later converted into a church, which survives and is now known as Santa Costanza (she was venerated as a saint, even though she was not one officially). It contains very important 4th century mosaics, especially large areas of ceiling in a secular style, but also two small apse mosaics, one including an early depiction of Jesus in what has become the standard style of long fair hair and a halo.

The large basilica decayed during the decline of Rome, and was replaced in the 7th century by the present much smaller church, commissioned by Pope Honorius I. The lower part of the walls from about half of one side of the Constantinian basilica, and its apse, can still be seen. The new church was over what was believed to be Agnes's grave. The floor level of the 7th-century church is some two metres above the level of the catacomb floor, and the public street entrances are at the level of the 2nd floor gallery. A long wide internal set of steps, lined with inscriptions from the catacombs and other ancient buildings set into the walls, leads down from the street level to the floor level of the church. The apse mosaic from Honorius's time is still present, and less affected by restoration than most mosaics of this date. On a gold ground, a central standing figure of Agnes in the costume of a Byzantine empress is flanked by Honorius, offering a model of the building, and another pope, whose identity is uncertain. The church was also built with a separate upper gallery for women (matronaeum), similar to that of San Lorenzo fuori le mura. Saint Emerentiana was also buried here.

The catacombs are on three levels, dating from the 2nd to the 5th centuries; part of the highest level dating to the 2nd century can be visited by a guided tour. Though no paintings remain in place, there are a number of inscriptions and engraved images of interest. Many more inscriptions line the large staircase leading from the main convent above to the church.

It is in this church that on the feast day of St. Agnes (January 21), two lambs are specially blessed, usually by the pope after a pontifical high Mass; their wool is later woven into pallia, ceremonial neck-stoles sent by the popes to newly elevated Metropolitan-archbishops to symbolise their union with the papacy.

The church was assigned to the Canons Regular of the Lateran by Pope Innocent VIII in 1489; and they continued to serve it after Pope Clement XI made it a parish church in 1708. It is the headquarters of the primaria sodality of the Children of Mary, founded here in 1864.

In legend and literature
The church is the topic of Canadian author and anthropologist Margaret Visser's book The Geometry of Love, published in 2000, which describes it in exhaustive detail and discusses aspects of history, theology, architecture, symbolism and the emotional and aesthetic effects of visiting the church.

List of Cardinal Priests
The Church of S. Agnese fuori le mura was established as a titular church for a Cardinal Priest on 5 October 1654 by Pope Innocent X:
 * (5 October 1654 – 1 April 1658)
 * Girolamo Farnese (6 May 1658 – 18 February 1668)
 * Vitaliano Visconti (18 March 1669 – 7 October 1671)
 * Federico Borromeo (iuniore) (8 August 1672 – 18 February 1673)
 * Toussaint de Forbin-Janson (10 July 1690 – 28 September 1693)
 * Giambattista Spinola (20 February 1696 – 7 April 1698)
 * Rannuzio Pallavicino (25 June 1706 – 30 June 1712)
 * Giorgio Spínola (20 January 1721 – 15 December 1734)
 * Serafino Cenci (27 June 1735 – 24 June 1740)
 * Filippo Maria De Monti (23 September 1743 – 10 April 1747)
 * Frédéric Jérôme de La Rochefoucauld (15 May 1747 – 29 April 1757)
 * Etienne-René Potier de Gesvres (2 August 1758 – 24 July 1774)
 * Luigi Valenti Gonzaga (30 March 1778 – 29 November 1790)
 * Giuseppe Spina (24 May 1802 – 21 February 1820)
 * Dionisio Bardaxí y Azara (27 September 1822 – 3 December 1826)
 * Ignazio Nasalli-Ratti (17 September 1827 – 2 December 1831)
 * Filippo Giudice Caracciolo (30 September 1833 – 29 January 1844)
 * Hugues-Robert-Jean-Charles de la Tour d’Auvergne-Lauraquais (16 April 1846 – 20 July 1851)
 * Girolamo D’Andrea in commendam (18 March 1852 – 14 May 1868)
 * Lorenzo Barili (24 September 1868 – 8 March 1875)
 * Pietro Giannelli (31 March 1875 – 5 November 1881)
 * Charles-Martial Allemand-Lavigerie (3 July 1882 – 25 November 1892)
 * Georg von Kopp (19 January 1893 – 4 March 1914)
 * Károly Hornig (28 May 1914 – 9 February 1917)
 * Adolf Bertram (18 December 1919 – 6 July 1945)
 * Samuel Alphonse Stritch (22 February 1946 – 26 May 1958)
 * Carlo Confalonieri (18 December 1958 – 15 March 1972)
 * Louis-Jean Guyot (5 March 1973 – 1 August 1988)
 * Camillo Ruini (28 June 1991 – present)

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Porta San Paolo

The Porta San Paolo (English: Saint Paul Gate) is one of the southern gates in the 3rd-century Aurelian Walls of Rome, Italy. The Via Ostiense Museum (museo della Via Ostiense) is housed within the gatehouse. It is in the Ostiense quarter; just to the west is the Roman Pyramid of Cestius, an Egyptian-style pyramid, and beyond that is the Protestant Cemetery.

History
The original name of the gate was Porta Ostiensis, as it was located at the beginning of via Ostiense, the road that connected Rome and Ostia. Via Ostiense was an important arterial road, as evidenced by the fact that upon entering the gate of the same name, the road split, with one direction leading to the famous Emporium, the great market of Rome.

The gatehouse is flanked by two cylindrical towers, and has two entrances, which had been covered by a second, single-opening gate, built in front of the first by the Byzantine general Belisarius (530s–540s).

The structure is due to Maxentius, in the 4th century, but the two towers were heightened by Honorius. Its original—Latin—name was Porta Ostiensis, since it opened on the way to Ostia. Later, it was renamed to the Italian Porta San Paolo, because it was the exit of Rome that led to the Basilica of St. Paul Outside the Walls.

In 549, Rome was under siege; the Ostrogoths of Totila entered through this gate, because of the treason of the Isaurian garrison.

On 10 September 1943, two days after the armistice between the Allies and Italy had been agreed, Italian military and civil forces tried to block German seizure of the city, with 570 casualties.

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Charles Petzold

Charles Petzold (born February 2, 1953) is an American programmer and technical author on Microsoft Windows applications. He is also a Microsoft Most Valuable Professional and was named one of Microsoft's seven Windows Pioneers.

Biography
He graduated with a Master of Science in Mathematics from Stevens Institute of Technology in 1975. Aside from writing books about Windows programming he has contributed to various magazines about computers.

He had an interest in electronic music and in 1977 started building electronic music instruments out of CMOS chips. In 1979, Petzold started building a computer-controlled digital electronic music synthesizer based on the Zilog Z80 microprocessor. This experience of digital circuitry and assembly language programming formed the basis of his book Code: The Hidden Language of Computer Hardware and Software.

Petzold purchased a two-diskette IBM PC in 1984 for $5,000. This debt encouraged him to use the PC to earn some revenue so he wrote an article about ANSI.SYS and the PROMPT command. This was submitted to PC Magazine for which they paid $800. This was the beginning of Petzold's career as a paid writer.

In 1984, PC Magazine decided to do a review of printers. They asked all current New York contributors to help with the review. Petzold showed the staff some small assembly-language programs he had written. Soon he was busy writing little 300-500 byte .COM file utilities for PC Magazine.

Petzold was soon getting so much freelance work from PC Magazine that he was able to quit his job.

Microsoft then decided that Microsoft Systems Journal would cover both DOS and Windows programming. Jonathan Lazarus, who contracted with Microsoft, recruited Petzold to write some articles. Petzold wrote the article A Step-by-Step Guide to Building Your First Windows Application" for MSJ, Vol.1, No. 2 (December 1986) which he believes was the first article about Windows programming to appear in a magazine.

Petzold told some people at a Microsoft-related function that he really enjoyed writing this type of article. This news was relayed to Microsoft Press editor-in-chief Susan Lammers. This resulted in Petzold being contracted to write the first edition of Programming Windows from January until August 1987.

Out-of-print books

 * Programming Microsoft Windows with Microsoft Visual Basic .NET (Microsoft Press, 2002; 1303 pages)
 * Programming Windows 95, 4th edition (Microsoft Press, 1996; 1100 pages)
 * Programming the OS/2 Presentation Manager (Microsoft Press, 1989)
 * Programming Windows 3.1, 3rd edition (Microsoft Press, 1992; 983 pages)
 * Programming Windows, 2nd edition. (Microsoft Press, 1990)
 * Programming the OS/2 Presentation Manager (Ziff-Davis Press, 1994; 934 pages)
 * Programming Windows, 1st edition (Microsoft Press, 1988; 852 pages)

Books that were never published

 * Graphics Programming in Windows
 * The OS/2 Graphics Programming Interface

Contributor

 * Contributor to Beautiful Code: Leading Programmers Explain How They Think, edited by Andy Oram & Greg Wilson (O'Reilly, 2007)
 * Contributor to Extending DOS, edited by Ray Duncan (2nd edition, Addison Wesley, 1992)
 * Contributor to Microsoft Press Computer Dictionary (Microsoft Press, 1991)
 * Contributor to Extending DOS, edited by Ray Duncan (Addison Wesley, 1990)
 * Contributor to The MS-DOS Encyclopedia, edited by Ray Duncan (Microsoft Press, 1988) (xix+1570 pages; 26 cm) (NB. This edition was published in 1988 after extensive rework of the withdrawn 1986 first edition by a different team of authors. )

Magazines

 * PC Magazine
 * Contributing Editor (1985 to 2005)
 * PC Tutor column (1985 to 1987)
 * Environments column (1987 to 1995)
 * Microsoft Systems Journal
 * Contributing Editor (1987 to 2000)
 * Windows Sources
 * Contributing Editor and Columnist (1993)
 * MSDN Magazine
 * Contributing Editor (2000 to 2014)

Online articles

 * Maxwell, Molecules, and Evolution
 * How Far from True North are the Avenues of Manhattan?
 * Articles for MSDN magazine

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User:DanG

Hi there. I'm just some guy from Croydon U.K who has written a couple of articles "Open D tuning" and "Lap Slide Guitar" and will write more and sort this page over the course of my lunchbreaks.

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2006 United States Senate election in Washington

The 2006 United States Senate election in Washington was held November 7, 2006. Incumbent Democrat Maria Cantwell won reelection to a second term.

Background
The filing deadline was July 28, 2006, with the primary held September 19, 2006. Cantwell consistently led in polling throughout the race, although political analysts saw her as vulnerable this election cycle due to her extremely narrow win in 2000 and discontent among progressive voters. In November, the National Journal ranked Cantwell's seat as number 13 of the top 20 races to watch based on the likelihood of switching party control, and the third-highest Democratic seat likely to flip. However, in an election marked by discontent over the Republican leadership in D.C., Cantwell easily won by a 17% margin of victory.

Statewide politics in Washington have been dominated by the Democratic Party for many years. The governor, lieutenant governor, treasurer, state auditor, and insurance commissioner are Democrats, while only secretary of state, attorney general, and commissioner of public lands are Republican. Of the nine representatives Washington sends to the House of Representatives, six are Democrats. Democrat Patty Murray is the state's senior senator. Cantwell won her initial election to the Senate in 2000 over Slade Gorton by 2,229 votes. Due to the closeness of that race, and the close gubernatorial contest between Democrat Christine Gregoire and Republican Dino Rossi in November 2004, many Republicans believed they had a strong chance of capturing Cantwell's seat in 2006.

Candidates

 * Maria Cantwell, incumbent U.S. senator
 * Goodspaceguy (Michael Nelson), perennial candidate
 * Mike The Mover, moving company owner and perennial candidate
 * Mohammad Said, candidate for the U.S. Senate in 2004
 * Hong Tran, attorney
 * Mark Wilson, Libertarian candidate for Congress in 2002 and Green candidate for the U.S. Senate in 2004 (withdrew and took a paid position in Cantwell's campaign)

Campaign
On March 9, 2006, Aaron Dixon announced his decision to seek the Green Party's nomination for U.S. Senate, challenging Cantwell on her continued support for the U.S. presence in Iraq and the USA PATRIOT Act. On May 13, 2006, Dixon secured the party's nomination at the Green Party of Washington state's Spring Convention.

Initially, Cantwell had two challengers from within the Democratic primary, both of them taking strong stances against the Iraq war that brought attention to Cantwell's votes for the Iraq Resolution and against a timeline for withdrawal: Mark Wilson and Hong Tran. Three other Democrats also entered the primary race: Mike the Mover, Michael Goodspaceguy Nelson, and Mohammad H. Said.

On August 8, 2006, the incumbent Democratic Senator from Connecticut, Joe Lieberman, lost his primary race to challenger Ned Lamont by 52%-48%, and appeared to be following through on his earlier commitment to run as an Independent in the general election. A great deal of attention had focused on this race, as an early barometer of both anti-incumbent and anti-war sentiment nationwide. Comparisons were made between Lieberman's troubles and Cantwell's re-election bid, citing Cantwell's vote in favor of the Iraq Resolution that led to the war, her refusal to say she regretted the vote, and her vote against a timetable for withdrawal.

Unlike Lamont's campaign, Cantwell's anti-war opponents' campaigns received much less funding and did not have the same support from the blogosphere that brought Lamont to prominence and improved his name recognition. Also, unlike Lieberman, Cantwell altered her position on the war during her campaign and criticized the Bush administration for its conduct of the war. She also hired her most vocal anti-war primary opponent, Mark Wilson, at an $8,000-a-month salary, a move that was described by political commentators as "buying out" the opposition (which she also allegedly attempted with other anti-war challengers Hong Tran and Aaron Dixon). The article does, however, note that, despite the differences in exact circumstances, the Lieberman defeat also showed that voters were in an anti-incumbent mood, which could create problems for Cantwell. This is supported by another P-I article that also notes that the primary loss of Lieberman and two House incumbents, Michigan Republican Joe Schwarz and Georgia Democrat Cynthia McKinney, on the same day indicated that there might be a nationwide anti-incumbent trend.

Following the primary results, Cantwell endorsed Ned Lamont, and McGavick responded by endorsing Senator Lieberman. The Dixon campaign released a statement criticizing Cantwell's "spin and vague rhetoric" on the war, and equating her current position to a pro-war stance similar to Lieberman's.

On August 14, less than a week after Lamont's win and nearly four years after the actual event, Cantwell for the first time said she would have voted against the authorization to use force in Iraq if she knew then what she knows today. However, she did so only after hearing her opponent McGavick say that he would have voted against the authorization under those conditions. Cantwell stated that she had no regrets for her vote in favor of the authorization and did not change that position.

On July 9, anti-war challenger Mark Wilson announced he would abandon his bid, endorse Cantwell, and take a paid position offered by Cantwell's campaign, one day after progressive activist and anti-war critic Dal LaMagna wasn hired to be the Cantwell campaign's co-chair. Initially, Cantwell's campaign refused to state how much they were paying Wilson, but under pressure from the media, disclosed that he was receiving $8,000 per month, only slightly less than Cantwell's campaign manager Matt Butler, who earned $8,731 per month. The next day, Hong Tran received a call from LaMagna saying they would like her to join their campaign, in a context that she interpreted as a job offer, which she refused. Political commentators, including those at the Seattle Post-Intelligencer and one at The Washington Times, expressed their views that Cantwell was attempting to eliminate the viable options anti-war Democrats had to voice their opinion on the war in the upcoming primary by having Wilson join her campaign and then soliciting Tran.

Wilson's supporters and journalists expressed surprise at his withdrawal from the race after a 16-month campaign, where he was a sharp critic of the incumbent Senator, who he referred to on his campaign website as a "free-trading corporate elitist" who "bought her seat", then "alienated and alarmed" her base. When asked by reporters if he still believed what he said about Cantwell during his primary bid, he stated: "I believed in it to a point in order to capitalize on what was already existent, which was a rift within the Democratic Party over the issue of the war." Both Dixon and Tran publicly doubted that Wilson's apparent change of heart was genuine, citing his paid position with the campaign and his initial refusal to disclose his salary.

On September 25, Joshua Frank reported that Dixon had alleged that he had been contacted twice in July by Mark Wilson, who implied that large donations to Dixon's non-profit organization, Central House, would be made if he were to withdraw his candidacy before filing. Dixon also claimed that Wilson was not the only Cantwell staffer to contact him, but declined to disclose who the other staffer was. Dixon also made this claim on a Democracy Now! broadcast. David Postman of the Seattle Times contacted the Cantwell campaign about the allegations; their spokesperson didn't say it didn't happen, but stated that no one on the campaign had been authorized to speak to Dixon about his campaign. The campaign did not allow access to Wilson so he could respond as to whether the conversation took place. Other reporters also had trouble contacting Wilson in recent weeks; Susan Paynter of the Seattle P-I, in an article on his shunning of the media, noted that there had been a widespread assumption after Wilson's hire that the intent was to silence him and that his disappearance only reinforced this assumption, calling it "the political equivalent of a farm subsidy." Paynter also quoted Hong Tran as saying that the reaction to Wilson's initial appearances on the campaign trail after he had joined Cantwell were so negative that she was not surprised he disappeared.

While some of Washington's legislative districts did not give endorsements for the primary election, Cantwell received the sole endorsement of at least 14 of the 49 legislative districts in the state. Hong Tran won the sole endorsement of one district, the 32nd (Cantwell's home district), and split dual endorsements with Cantwell in three others: the 40th, 25th, and 26th. Tran attended the endorsement meeting for the 32nd Legislative District in person and, according to one blogger who claims to have spoken to people who attended the meeting, made her positions clear and responded to questions. According to the blogger, Cantwell sent Mark Wilson in her stead, who was unable to defend Cantwell's votes in favor of the USA PATRIOT Act, NAFTA, CAFTA, and the Iraq War.

On September 19, after her defeat in the Democratic primary, Hong Tran lamented to the Seattle Times "how undemocratic the Democratic Party really is," saying the state Democratic party had tried to keep her from getting attention, forbidding her from putting up signs at Coordinated Campaign events and not giving her access to the state party voter rolls. Cantwell, whose campaign hired two of her early critics, had also refused to debate Tran. When asked before the primary whether she would endorse the senator if her primary bid proved unsuccessful, Tran had responded, "certainly not."

Results
From the Washington Secretary of State

Background
In early hypothetical matchups in 2005 compiled by conservative pollster Strategic Vision, Rossi led Cantwell. Republican leadership reportedly pleaded with Rossi to jump into the ring. Rossi declined.

Speculation next centered on Rick White (who had taken Cantwell's House seat in 1994), state GOP chair Chris Vance, former Seattle television reporter Susan Hutchison, and former 8th district congressional candidate and Republican National Committee member Diane Tebelius. None of those chose to enter the race. Republican leaders finally got behind former Safeco Insurance CEO Mike McGavick.

Candidates
and received 5.72% of the Republican vote; evangelical Christian
 * William Edward Chovil, ran in the 2004 Republican Senate primary and received 0.95% of the Republican vote; running on a platform of opposition to what he referred to as "national and global communism and socialism"
 * C. Mark Greene, legal assistant and Armed Forces veteran; won 47% in the 2004 Republican House of Representatives primary (9th District); emphasizes anti-imperialism platform in his campaigns; failed to secure ballot access through a lack of filing fee waiver petition signatures; filed Writ of Mandamus request in Thurston County Superior Court to be admitted to ballot
 * Warren E. Hanson, commercial fisherman and perennial candidate; ran as a Democrat in the 2004 Senate primary and received 6.04% of the Democratic vote
 * Brad Klippert, U.S. Army Reserves veteran; 2004 Republican primary candidate for U.S. Senate
 * B. Barry Massoudi, founder of Cubicon management consulting; former chairman of Mercer Island Arts Council
 * Gordon Allen Pross, ran in the 2004 Republican Senate primary and received 1.59% of the Republican vote

Results
From the Washington Secretary of State

Debates
McGavick and Cantwell participated in two televised debates; one in Eastern Washington, sponsored by the Spokane Rotary, and another filmed at KING-5 studios in Seattle. Cantwell and McGavick were the only candidates included in the Eastern Washington debate, but Libertarian Bruce Guthrie, who had mortgaged his home and emptied his savings to loan his campaign $1.2 million to meet the debate's invitation requirements, joined them in the Seattle debate.

After failing to meet any of the requirements for an invitation to the Seattle debate, Aaron Dixon attempted to enter the KING-5 studios in order to participate in the debate. Accompanied by around 50 of his supporters, Dixon was prevented from entering the studios by station security and when Dixon refused to leave the building Seattle police were called and Dixon was arrested for investigation of trespassing.

According to the Seattle P-I, Bruce Guthrie won the Seattle debate just by being there. McGavick and Cantwell mainly stuck to their tried and true campaign messages and Guthrie was able to expose his campaign messages to a wide audience, something most third-party candidates are not able to do.

 * Complete video of debate, October 12, 2006
 * Complete video of debate, October 17, 2006

Iraq War
According to a CBS News poll conducted August 11–13, 28% of Americans feel that the Iraq War as the most important problem facing the country. A November 6 poll conducted by Strategic Vision indicated that 68% of Washingtonians approve of an "immediate withdrawal of United States military forces from Iraq, within six months".

Both McGavick and Cantwell have said that if they knew then what they know now they would have voted against the October 2002 Iraq Resolution, but neither have been completely clear on where they stand on the current presence of US troops in Iraq. When questioned further, McGavick has said that discussing the legitimacy of the war is inappropriate until all the troops come home. Cantwell has declined to apologize for her vote in favor of the resolution and, according to her campaign site, Cantwell still favors U.S. forces remaining in Iraq until they "achieve stability through greater international cooperation".

Cantwell has voted in favor of beginning withdrawal of troops, albeit a non-binding amendment with no timetable for completion (the Levin-Reed Amendment to S.2766), but voted against the Kerry-Feingold Amendment, which would have set a firm deadline of July 2007 for completing a withdrawal. She also co-sponsored an amendment to prohibiting the establishment of permanent US bases in Iraq.

On August 16, the Seattle Times criticized the vagueness of the major party candidates' positions on the war and demanded more clarity. The next day, Stuart Elway, director of The Elway Poll, described Cantwell's and McGavick's positions as "almost identical,".

Democratic primary challenger Tran, the Green Party's Dixon and Libertarian Guthrie all advocated an immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

Minimum wage
Despite voting against a bill that would have raised the minimum wage, extended sales tax deductions, and cut estate taxes, Cantwell supports an increase in the federal minimum wage. She explained her vote against the bill by noting that the bill would have represented a $5 per hour wage drop for over 120,000 tip workers in Washington and overridden existing state minimum wage laws and was an attempt by the Republican party to pass its estate tax cut bill, which continuously failed to pass on its own in the senate.

McGavick called Cantwell's vote against the bill "profoundly disappointing".

Democratic challenger Tran and the Green Party's Dixon favored raising the national minimum wage to a "living wage". Libertarian Guthrie advocated eliminating the minimum wage laws altogether.

Millionaire Amendment
On August 11, Mike McGavick loaned his campaign $2 million. Some observers thought that the donation could trigger a "millionaire's amendment" of the 2002 Campaign Reform Act which is intended to help candidates compete against wealthy opponents that self-finance their campaigns. The amendment allows supporters of the wealthy candidate's opponents to donate up to $12,600 in the primary and another $12,600 in the general election instead of $2,100 in the primary and general election. The McGavick campaign denied the amendment applies to Cantwell as the loan was made prior to the primary election and would only affect his Republican opponents.

On August 29, the FEC issued a unanimous ruling on the question, saying that the millionaire's amendment was currently only triggered for McGavick's opponents in the primary; however, if either McGavick or Cantwell carry over some of their donations to their own campaign that were made in the primary into the general election, these donations would then trigger the Amendment.

On October 1, Libertarian nominee Bruce Guthrie loaned his campaign nearly $1.2 million, but it is unclear if the loan triggers the amendment for McGavick and Cantwell. Both Cantwell and McGavick have a significant fund raising lead over Guthrie and the amendment might not be triggered in cases where the self-financed candidate is already out funded by their opponents. Guthrie apparently made the loan in order to get himself invited to a televised debate on a western Washington television station and he eventually repaid himself all but $6,000 of the loan.

McGavick's DUI arrest
The McGavick campaign suffered a setback when on August 24 McGavick claimed on his campaign blog to have been cited in 1993 and charged with driving under the influence of alcohol when he blew a 0.17 in a breath analyzer test, well above the .10 legal limit in Montgomery County, Maryland. However, on September 1, the Everett Herald newspaper uncovered the original police report and disclosed that there were several inaccuracies in McGavick's recount, namely that he actually charged with running a "steady red light", not "cutting a yellow a little close," and that he was actually arrested for the DUI, not merely cited. The DUI charge was later removed from McGavick's record, in accordance with Maryland law, after completing an alcohol awareness program, paying a fine, and a year's probation. According to Jennifer Duffy of The Cook Political Report, McGavick undermined the rationale of his campaign that he was not acting like a typical politician and his omissions caused cynical voters to think he acted like a typical politician.

Polling

 * Aggregate polls

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" ! Poll source ! Date(s) administered ! Sample size ! Margin of error ! style="width:100px;"| Maria Cantwell (D) ! style="width:100px;"| Rick White (R) ! Undecided
 * Hypothetical polling
 * with Dunn
 * with Nethercutt
 * with Rossi
 * with Vance
 * with White
 * - valign= bottom
 * align=left | Strategic Vision (R)
 * May 15–17, 2005
 * 800 (RV)
 * ± 3.0%
 * | 50%
 * 37%
 * 13%
 * 13%

Results
Cantwell was projected to be the winner right when the polls closed at 11:00 P.M. EST Time. From the Washington Secretary of State 2006 General Election Results

Counties that flipped from Republican to Democratic

 * Asotin (largest city: Clarkston)
 * Island (largest city: Oak Harbor)
 * Kitsap (largest city: Bremerton)
 * Pierce (largest city: Tacoma)
 * Skagit (largest city: Mount Vernon)
 * Clallam (largest city: Port Angeles)
 * Mason (largest city: Shelton)
 * Clark (Largest city: Vancouver)
 * Klickitat (largest city: Goldendale)
 * Skamania (largest city: Carson)
 * Spokane (largest city: Spokane)
 * Wahkiakum (largest city: Puget Island)
 * Whitman (largest city: Pullman)
 * Cowlitz (largest city: Longview)
 * Grays Harbor (largest city: Aberdeen)
 * Pacific (largest city: Raymond)
 * Whatcom (largest city: Bellingham)


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William Opdyke

William F. "Bill" Opdyke (born c. 1958) is an American computer scientist and enterprise architect at JPMorgan Chase, known for his early work on code refactoring.

Education
Opdyke received a B.S. from Drexel University in 1979, an M.S. from University of Wisconsin–Madison in 1982, and his Ph.D. from the University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign in 1992 under the supervision of Ralph Johnson. His Ph.D. thesis, Refactoring Object-Oriented Frameworks, was the first in-depth study of code refactoring as a software engineering technique.

Career
Opdyke started his career at AT&T Bell Laboratories in 1981, where he worked as researcher until 2001. From 2001 to 2006 he was associate professor in computer science at North Central College in Naperville, Illinois, and for Motorola in Schaumburg, Illinois. Since 2009, he has worked as an enterprise architect in the mobile and web retail banking area, and trainer at the Technical Leadership Development program.

Selected publications

 * Opdyke, William F. Refactoring Object-Oriented Frameworks. Diss. University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, 1992.
 * Fowler, M., Beck, K., Brant, J., Opdyke, W., & Roberts, D. (1999). Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Programs.

 * Opdyke, William F., and Ralph E. Johnson. "Creating abstract superclasses by refactoring." Proceedings of the 1993 ACM conference on Computer science. ACM, 1993.
 * Johnson, Ralph E., and William F. Opdyke. "Refactoring and aggregation." Object Technologies for Advanced Software. Springer Berlin Heidelberg, 1993. 264-278.
 * Foote, Brian, and William F. Opdyke. "Lifecycle and refactoring patterns that support evolution and reuse." Pattern languages of program design 1 (1995).

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Cusano Milanino

Cusano Milanino (local Cusan ) is a town and comune in the Metropolitan City of Milan, in Lombardy. Cusano Milanino is about 13 kilometers far from the centre of Milan. It borders Paderno Dugnano, Cinisello Balsamo, Cormano, and Bresso.

People
The 18th-century Italian economist and antiquarian Count Carli died in the town, then part of the Duchy of Milan, in 1795. Cusano is also the birthplace of former football player and coach Giovanni Trapattoni.

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Concurrent validity

Concurrent validity is a type of evidence that can be gathered to defend the use of a test for predicting other outcomes. It is a parameter used in sociology, psychology, and other psychometric or behavioral sciences. Concurrent validity is demonstrated when a test correlates well with a measure that has previously been validated. The two measures may be for the same construct, but more often used for different, but presumably related, constructs.

The two measures in the study are taken at the same time. This is in contrast to predictive validity, where one measure occurs earlier and is meant to predict some later measure. In both cases, the (concurrent) predictive power of the test is analyzed using a simple correlation or linear regression.

Alignment with classical conceptions of validity
Concurrent validity and predictive validity are two types of criterion-related validity. The difference between concurrent validity and predictive validity rests solely on the time at which the two measures are administered. Concurrent validity applies to validation studies in which the two measures are administered at approximately the same time. For example, an employment test may be administered to a group of workers and then the test scores can be correlated with the ratings of the workers' supervisors taken on the same day or in the same week. The resulting correlation would be a concurrent validity coefficient. This type of evidence might be used to support the use of the employment test for future selection of employees.

Concurrent validity may be used as a practical substitute for predictive validity. In the example above, predictive validity would be the best choice for validating an employment test, because using the employment test on existing employees may not be a strong analog for using the tests for selection. Reduced motivation and restriction of range are just two possible biasing effects for concurrent validity studies.

Contrasting similar terms
Concurrent validity differs from convergent validity in that it focuses on the power of the focal test to predict outcomes on another test or some outcome variable. Convergent validity refers to the observation of strong correlations between two tests that are assumed to measure the same construct. It is the interpretation of the focal test as a predictor that differentiates this type of evidence from convergent validity, though both methods rely on simple correlations in the statistical analysis.

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I just moved your article Lap Slide Guitar to Lap slide guitar since the old name went against the article naming conventions (which specify mostly lower case). The old name is still available as a redirect, but I've moved the other links anyway.

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Pietro Bordino

Pietro Bordino (22 November 1887 – 15 April 1928) was an Italian racing driver. One of Italy's top racing drivers of the 1920s, Bordino won the 1922 Italian Grand Prix. One of the few European drivers of the period to compete on the regular American Indy car circuit, composed largely of board ovals, he won twice during the 1922 U.S. racing season.

Bordino died in 1928 during practice for a race at Alessandria after he hit a dog, causing his car to overturn and land in a river, drowning him. Sir Henry Segrave described him as “the finest road race driver in the world.” He was renowned for his speed and courage, although his race successes did not necessarily meet that promise.

Racing career
Bordino was born on 22 November 1887 in Turin, His father got work as a caretaker at the new FIAT factory. In 1904, as a 17-year old, he started his racing career as a riding mechanic with Vincenzo Lancia and Felice Nazzaro. He accompanied Lancia in the 1905 Gordon Bennett Cup, finishing second, and they were second to Nazzaro in the 1907 Targa Florio. In 1908, he again accompanied Lancia in the FIAT works team at the French Grand Prix at Dieppe, where they retired, and the Coppa Florio, where they came fifth and Nazzaro won. In the same year he got to drive a FIAT for himself, winning the French hill-climb at Château-Thierry. Again in 1910, he won his class in the Modena speed-trial for FIAT, which was also the final race for Vincenzo Lancia. He continued with speed record attempts the next year, driving a FIAT using a 300 bhp engine of an airship at Brooklands and the Saltburn sands. The 1913 Targa Florio was a 2-day lap of Sicily and for the first time he broke away from FIAT to drive one of his former team-mate's own cars. After nearly 14 hours driving, he brought his Lancia home in third.

Bordino returned to Sicily after the Great War for the 12th Targa Florio in 1921. Driving a 3-litre Fiat 801 he retired on the second lap. Later in the year, he drove for Fiat in the first Italian Grand Prix, held near Brescia. Taking the lead from the start, he set the early pace, including the fastest lap of the race of over 150 mph, until forced to retired with a broken oil-pump. Ineligible for the new 2-litre formula coming in the next year, Bordino and his Fiat 801 traveled across the Atlantic to race in America. Out of six starts at the beginning of the 1922 AAA Championship Car season, he won two short, sprint races on wooden-board ovals at the Beverly Hills and Cotati Speedways in California.

In 1922, the new Italian racing circuit was opened at the Autodromo Nazionale di Monza. Bordino and Nazzaro completed the first test laps on July 28 in a Fiat 501, with construction completed in a remarkable 100 days. In September, Bordino won the inaugural race, for sports cars, in a Fiat. He won the Italian Voiturette Grand Prix in a Fiat 502 – a new 1.5-litre design using half the engine of the 801. For the second Italian Grand Prix, at Monza a few days later, despite heavy rain 100000 spectators turned out (arriving in almost 25% of Italy’s complete automobile fleet of 41000 cars at the time). Fiat had introduced their new 804 model for the 2-litre formula, and were the strong favourites on their home track. They had dominated the recent, blue riband French Grand Prix, won by Nazzaro. In that race the suspension of Bordino's Fiat had collapsed while he was leading, fortunately without significant injury. But an almost identical accident earlier in the race had killed Nazzaro's nephew.

The race was diminished, as most of the other works teams had cancelled their attendance. From a promising 38 entries, only six started, including Bordino, Nazzaro and Enrico Giaccone for Fiat. Once again, Bordino took the lead from the start. By the 50th of 80 laps there were only three cars left running, and Bordino could ease off to take a comfortable victory from Nazzaro. Overnight, Bordino became a national celebrity, and his hard-driving style in the red Fiats earned him the nickname of Diavolo Rosso (Red devil).

In the 1923 Grand Prix, Fiat had its ground-breaking, supercharged Tipo 805. Earlier in practice, Bordino and teammate Giaccone had been out testing together when the suspension on their Fiat broke, throwing them off the track. Giaccone died of his wounds later in hospital, while Bordino injured his neck and dislocated his shoulder (or broke his wrist). He drove the race with his arm in a sling, and his riding mechanic helping to change gears. He set the fastest lap before retiring from the excessive pain. Fellow Fiat team-member, Carlo Salomano, took victory, the first Grand Prix win for a supercharged car.

The 1924 Targa Florio was to be a race between the Alfa Romeo and Mercedes works teams. Fiat entered Bordino in a smaller, 1.5-litre supercharged 501SS model. Despite giving away a power advantage, his consistency gave him third place and winning his class. The Fiats were outmatched at the French Grand Prix by the new Alfa Romeos. Though Bordino duelled for the lead with Antonio Ascari's Alfa Romeo initially, his brakes soon faded. Victory went to Giuseppe Campari's Alfa. In 1925, Bordino took a Fiat 805 across to America to run in the Indianapolis 500. Adapted into a single-seater, he ran several races in the lead-up without great success. In the main race itself he qualified eighth on the grid. He had to stop early in the race to change spark-plugs that cost him two laps. He then injured his hand during a pit-stop. His relief driver, Frenchman Antoine Mourne, took over and brought the Fiat home to finish tenth.

Fiat had retired its works team for several years, but in 1927 surprised the racing world with the powerful new Tipo 806, and its V12 supercharged 1.5-litre engine. Too new to endure the four-hour Italian Grand Prix, the team gave the prototype to Bordino to race in the Milan Grand Prix supporting race at the same meeting. Despite heavy rain, he dominated the race and easily won the car's first and only race.

When Fiat chose to stop its racing program for good, Bordino bought a new Bugatti Type 35B to race in the 1928 Italian Driver's Championship. The third round at the end of March, the Circuito del Pozzo, was one of the fastest tracks, but the heavy rain made driving conditions very difficult. Bordino led at the start, but after getting a puncture and falling two laps behind, he retired. The next weekend, he competed in the second Mille Miglia in a Bugatti Type 43 tourer. The 1000-mile race went from Brescia to Rome and back. The race was won by the veteran Campari in an Alfa Romeo, while Bordino finished two hours behind in sixteenth, after over 21 hours racing.

A fortnight later was the Circuito di Alessandria, next race in the Italian Championship. Bordino took the opportunity in the intervening weekend for some race testing. He had been offered a works drive by Bugatti for that race and the following Targa Florio. He was just completing a lap, coming back into the city when a dog ran into the street in front of the car. Hitting the animal at 70 km/h, the suspension and steering were wrecked. Despite his best efforts, Bordino lost control as the car spun off the road, got airborne and tumbled down the roadside cliff to the Tanaro River. Bordino was thrown from the car and found dead a few hundred metres downstream. His mechanic, Giovanni (or Pietro) Lasagna, was crushed by the car and critically injured but eventually recovered. In commemoration, the race would be thereafter renamed the Circuito Pietro Bordino.

Pietro Bordino was buried in the Cimitero Monumentale di Torino.

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Sant'Agnese in Agone

Sant'Agnese in Agone (also called Sant'Agnese in Piazza Navona) is a 17th-century Baroque church in Rome, Italy. It faces onto the Piazza Navona, one of the main urban spaces in the historic centre of the city and the site where the Early Christian Saint Agnes was martyred in the ancient Stadium of Domitian. Construction began in 1652 under the architects Girolamo Rainaldi and his son Carlo Rainaldi. After numerous quarrels, the other main architect involved was Francesco Borromini.

The church is a titular deaconry, with Gerhard Ludwig Müller being the current Cardinal-Deacon. As well as religious services, the church hosts regular classical concerts in the Borromini Sacristy, from sacred Baroque works to chamber music and operas.

History
The building of the church was begun in 1652 at the instigation of Pope Innocent X whose family palace, the Palazzo Pamphili, is adjacent to this church. The church was to be effectively a family chapel annexed to their residence (for example, an opening was formed in the drum of the dome so the family could participate in the religious services from their palace).

The first designs for a centralised Greek Cross church were prepared by the Pamphili family architect, Girolamo Rainaldi, and his son Carlo Rainaldi in 1652. They reorientated the main entrance to the church from the Via Santa Maria dell’Anima, a street set one urban block away from the piazza, to the Piazza Navona, a large urban space that Innocent was transforming into a showcase associated with his family. It had been the intention to build the new church over the old church which would become the crypt; this meant the new church was to be raised well above piazza level, but this idea was abandoned once construction started. The original drawings are lost but it is thought that the Piazza Navona façade design included a narthex between two towers and broad stairs descending to the piazza.

Harsh criticism was made of the design, including the steps down to the piazza which were thought to project excessively, so Carlo Rainaldi eliminated the narthex idea and substituted a concave façade so that the steps would not be so intrusive. The idea of the twin towers framing a central dome may be indebted to Bernini's bell towers on the façade of Saint Peter's Basilica. Nonetheless, Rainaldi's design of a concave façade and a central dome framed by twin towers was influential on subsequent church design in Northern Europe. In 1653, the Rainaldis were replaced by Borromini.

Borromini had to work with the Rainaldi ground plan but made adjustments; on the interior for instance, he positioned columns towards the edges of the dome piers which had the effect of creating a broad base to the dome pendentives instead of the pointed base which was the usual Roman solution. His drawings show that on the façade to Piazza Navona, he designed curved steps descending to the piazza, the convex curvature of which play against the concave curvature of the façade to form an oval landing in front of the main entrance. His façade was to have eight columns and a broken pediment over the entrance. He designed the flanking towers as single storey, above which there was to be a complex arrangement of columns and convex bays with balustrades.

By the time of Innocent's death in 1655, the façade had reached the top of the lower order. Innocent's nephew, Camillo Pamphili, failed to take interest in the church and Borromini became disheartened, eventually leading to his resignation in 1657.

Carlo Rainaldi was reappointed and made a number of modifications to Borromini's design including an additional storey to the flanking towers and simplifying their uppermost parts. On the death of Camillo Pamphili, his wife Olimpia Aldobrandini, commissioned Bernini to take over. He was responsible for the straightforward pediment above the main entrance and for the emphatic entablature in the interior. In 1668, Camillo Borghese (Olimpia's son & Camillo Pomphii's step-son) took over responsibility for the church. He reinstated Carlo Rainaldi as architect and engaged Ciro Ferri to create frescoes for the interior of the dome. Further decorations were added; there were large scale sculptures and polychrome marble effects. None of these are likely to have been intended by Borromini.

Interior
The cupola is frescoed with the Apotheosis of Saint Agnes, begun in 1670 by Ciro Ferri and finished after his death in 1689 by Sebastiano Corbellini. The pendentives of the dome were painted with the Cardinal Virtues (1662–1672) by Bernini's protégé, Giovanni Battista Gaulli. In the sacristy, there is a painting depicting the Glory of Saint Agnes by Paolo Gismondi.

The near-circular interior, actually a Greek cross design, is circumferentially surrounded by marble sculptural Baroque masterpieces, dedicated to individual martyred saints. There are four altars in the pillars with reliefs, unusually set in semi-circular niches. Among the sculptural decoration are the following:
 * The Two Holy Families (1676) by Domenico Guidi – The main altar initially was intended to hold a Miracle of Saint Agnes commissioned from Alessandro Algardi, but who died shortly after receiving the commission. Algardi provided a small model while a full scale plaster model (now in the Oratorio dei Filippini) was made by his assistants Ercole Ferrata and Guidi. For some reason the project for the Miracle ensemble was dropped, and instead Guidi created a marble relief, depicting The Holy Family according to his design.
 * Death of Saint Alexius by Giovanni Francesco Rossi is the relief above the first altar on the right.
 * Martyrdom of Saint Emerentiana by Ercole Ferrata, with the upper portion completed by Leonardo Reti is on the second altar on the right.
 * Martyrdom of Saint Eustace by Melchiorre Cafà is on the first altar on the left. Due to Cafà's sudden early death large parts of the relief were completed by his master, Ferrata, and his workshop.
 * Death of Saint Cecilia by Antonio Raggi is on the second altar on the left.
 * Saint Agnes on the Pyre by Ercole Ferrata is in the second altar of the transept on the right is the *On the second altar of the transept on the left is the Saint Sebastian (c. 1717–1719) with a statue by Pier Paolo Campi, and also boasts two marble angels by his master Pierre Le Gros which might well be Le Gros' very last works. The statues of Saint Agnes and of Saint Sebastian are placed in an illusionistic architecture of colored marble.
 * Tomb Monument of Pope Innocent X (1729) by Giovanni Battista Maini – The monument originally planned on a grand scale, but was executed placed above the main entrance in a far more modest monument.
 * The stucco decorations in the niches' semi-domes with angels presenting the symbols of the respective saint are by Ferrata's workshop.

Inside the church is also a shrine for Saint Agnes, containing her skull and a marble relief by Alessandro Algardi.

Origin of name and legends
The name of this church is unrelated to the ‘agony’ of the martyr: in agone was the ancient name of Piazza Navona (piazza in agone), and meant instead, from the Greek, ‘in the site of the competitions’, because Piazza Navona was built on the site of an ancient Roman stadium of the Greek model, with one flat end, and was used for footraces (Latin agōn, "contest"). From ‘in agone’, the popular use and pronunciation changed the name into ‘Navona’, but other roads in the area kept the original name.

Bernini's Fountain of the Four Rivers is situated in front of the church. It is often said that Bernini sculpted the figure of the "Nile" covering his eyes as if he thought the façade designed by his rival Borromini could crumble atop him. This story, like many urban legends, persists because it has a ring of authenticity, despite the fact that Bernini's fountain predates the façade by some years.

Borromini and Bernini became rivals, and more, for architectural commissions. Most prominently, during the Pamphili papacy, an official commission was established to study defects that had arisen in the foundations of the belltowers (built under Bernini's guidance) in the façade of Saint Peter's Basilica. In testimony before the commission, Borromini was one of many harsh critics that assailed the project's engineering. Ultimately, in a severe blow to Bernini's prestige as an architect, the façade bell-towers were torn down, and never rebuilt.

Cardinal-Deacons

 * Lorenzo Cardinal Antonetti 1998–2013
 * Gerhard Ludwig Cardinal Müller 2014–present

title: Sant'Agnese in Agone