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User:Geogre/Talk archive 10

This is #10. Who'dathunk it? It follows #9 and precedes the end of the world as we know it.

Battleship
If I'm not mistaken, you have access to OED. I'm working on battleship and to get the definition right, do you think you could dig up information on the earliest recorded usage of "battleship", if there are several definitions and such? You might want to have a peek at subtlety. It's still not much, but at least it has a reference now.

Do respond on this page.

cheers,

Peter Isotalo 11:22, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Sorry, but I don't have OED access the way Bishonen does. I have to actually go in to the library.  I just found out that the small school I'm teaching at has the DNB (Dict. National Biography), and I'm over the moon about that.  They have an OED too, I think, but Bishonen has online access.  (I'm going to bet, wtihout looking, that "Battleship" dates from WW1.)  When I'm in there looking up biographies, I'll try to take notes on the Battleship, too. Geogre 14:13, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm the one dripping with undeserved goodies. I'll just paste the whole entry below. Amazingly, the first date is 1794, I wasn't expecting that any more than Geogre was. Here goes:

battleship

''orig. U.S.''

[Shortening of line-of-battle ship: see BATTLE n. 12.]

A line-of-battle ship; a warship of the largest and most heavily armoured class.
 * 1794 D. HUMPHREYS Poem on Industry 20 The dock equips, With batt'ries black and strong, the battleships. 1834 GLASCOCK Naval Sk. Bk. I.185 A bluff weather-beaten captain of a battle ship. Ibid. 235 A battle-ship's bowsprit. 1845 R. FORD Handbk. Trav. Spain I. III. 363 Like the spars of a storm-wrecked battle-ship. 1884 Marine Engineer 1 Apr. 4/2 The very heavily-armed battle-ship. 1959 Chambers's Encycl. II. 162/1 The battleship has been the basic unit in all navies.

b. cruiser-battleship or battleship cruiser: a battleship of the type designed for speed, less heavily armoured than a ship of the line.
 * 1909 Whitaker's Alm. 681/2 Modern vessels of this class are no longer, save in official phraseology, ‘armoured cruisers’, but ‘cruiser-battleships’, or ‘cruiser-Dreadnoughts’. 1909 Westm. Gaz. 18 Mar. 7/2 Armoured cruisers, or ‘battleship cruisers’, as they have been popularly termed.

c. attrib. and Comb. battleship grey (or gray), a slightly bluish grey colour often used in painting battleships.
 * 1834 GLASCOCK Naval Sk. Bk. I. 154 To ascertain ‘the difference 'twixt the rigging and palaver of a methody parson, and the togs and talk of a reg'lar-built battle-ship preacher’. 1901 Westm. Gaz. 8 Aug. 6/1 To choose his own time and place for the battleship action. 1904 Ibid. 11 Feb. 8/2 The battleship strength of the Russians at Port Arthur. 1908 Ibid. 11 Feb. 3/3 When the Dreadnought appeared battleship building in foreign yards paused. 1908 Daily Chron. 21 Aug. 1/7 The American battleship fleet. 1916 Daily Colonist (Victoria, B.C.) 1 July 12/3 The colors include battleship grey. 1938 L. MACNEICE Earth Compels 54 Nights with stars or closely interleaved with battleship grey or plum.

Peter, there was some formatting that didn't survive my copying--italics and bold--so you'd better get back to me if you'll be using any actual OED quote in the article. Bishonen | talk 14:29, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks, bishster! That's all I needed. I just wanted to establish that the term "battleship" doesn't really include heavy galleys and, like, early modern kick yo' ass-ships. At least not historically.
 * Peter Isotalo 16:35, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

OED
Hello guys. Was just swinging by one of Wp's finest User pages when I saw this, so I decided to do my random act of kindness for the day. However, Bishonen had swung to the rescue by the time I finished formatting the entry with italics and what not, so I won't paste that, but if you want the Humphreys ref, the works given in the biblio for David Humphreys are:

 * The Yankey in England 1815
 * Miscellaneous works 1790
 * Poems 1789 (ed. 2)

I'm not sure why the date (1794) doesn't match; in all the time I've used OED, this is the first I've seen what might be a mistake. Is Humphreys' Poem on Industry to be found in Poems or Miscellaneous works? Incidentally, I think WP might actually have an entry on this fellow. Anyhoo, all best wishes— encephalon έγκέφαλος   15:01:40, 2005-09-10 (UTC)
 * You mean my user page has been linked to by Bishonen? That's the only way I can decipher your first sentence. :-)  At any rate, this is an interesting anomaly.  There is so little context for the Humphreys and some of the others (the fault of OED, of course) that I wonder how many of those are poetic terms?  Any appearance in verse of "battle-ship" would seem to me to be suspiciously like a combining form -- a "torpedo ship" a "ramming ship."  That, of course, doesn't mean much.  After all, "fireship," "siege tower," "battering ram" are all descriptive combinations that turned into precise military terminology.  The Humphreys poem would be important to read, and that makes the OED's odd bibliographic record even more telling.  By the 1909 Whittaker, it seems to mean exactly what we mean today: a specific type of ship that is more heavily armed than the usual cruiser and designed for ship-to-ship engagement (and specifically the American version of "Dreadnought").  I had thought that the invention of the Dreadnought class would have been necessary, and that's why I guessed WW-1.  Fascinating.  (Best reading on my talk page in ages.)  Geogre 17:43, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi, Encephalon! Apparently the poem was first published as a pamphlet, in fact in 1794 — check it out here. But also, it sounds like you've made a much better copy of the OED entry than me, with the formatting preserved, why not delete mine and paste yours here instead? Bishonen | talk 17:41, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Hey people. Bishonen, I'd done the formatting stuff in an edit box, not offline, so I didn't keep a copy; but you asked so nicely I did it again. :) It's not as accurately done though, I just emboldened the fancy bits instead of aiming for an exact copy. Geogre, come of it please :). Soon after I became an active editor on WP, I began feeling that the whole thing was an immense waste of time; discovering your contributions was what stopped me from simply drifting away. So when I say your User page is a very good page, it's a very good page, and you're just going to have to accept it. Regarding the poem, I can see what you mean— the OED chaps have it that Humphreys' use of the word coincides with the meaning "a warship of the largest and most heavily armoured class," which may not in fact be the case. I've absolutely no expertise here, of course, but just reading the examples they've provided, I'm definitely inclined to agree with you. The first unambiguous use that coincides with our understanding of the term, from the examples provided, is 1909 Whitaker's Alm. 681/2. I suspect that settling the question will require more than reading the poem though; what is required is an understanding of both the history of shipbuilding for the purposes of naval warfare, and how people used to describe such ships in the earliest years. All of which subjects are parsecs away from my expertise, such that I'm unlikely to be able to contribute anything further to Peter's authorial exertions. :) Best— encephalon έγκέφαλος   18:32:26, 2005-09-10 (UTC)

Your input is requested
at Articles for deletion/Roflcopter (again). — Phil Welch 23:04, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

"Keep everything"
Please do not characterize me as someone who wants to "keep everything", because this that is not the case. It is particularly misleading in the context of an apparent hoax like Drigluidjunblégruidjundlei which I agree should be deleted if no-one can verify it. Kappa 17:57, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Indeed? Well, at any rate, I didn't characterize you that way.  I said that I had no interest in debates formed and framed by those who hold that point of view.  If that does not include you, then so be it.  It would be just as well, of course, if you do not accuse me of moving to speedy delete something that I have not.  I explained my vote well enough to not need to rehash it here.  Geogre 22:53, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Your attention, please
An AfD concerning the article pronunciation of Hong Kong is going down right now. Your input is appreciated. I'm personally very, very concerned about what this new type of trivia-addition can lead to.

Peter Isotalo 06:50, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

 * DINO and RINO are both up for AfD. Your input is welcomed. / Peter Isotalo 17:29, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for supporting my RfA application! Much appreciated! The Singing Badger 16:14, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for your support in my recent RFA! All those extra buttons might not be a big deal, but getting all this positive feedback sure is, please let me know if you have any problems or comments regarding how I use all these shiny new levers and cranks! Rx StrangeLove 00:54, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Me again!
I've recorded some of my thoughts and ideas about problems within Wikipedia, and some possible solutions here. I'd like your thoughts, and whether or not you think I'm crazy. Well, you know, beyond my normal level of craziness. Thanks.--Scimitar parley 17:43, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Re: Wow; Thanks
Thank you for the compliment. I just tried to get the facts across to our friend Sophie. I wouldn't want to scare people away from Wikipedia; it's always my hope that some can become useful editors. Let's see if this works. Cheers, Bratsche talk 21:43, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and I have fallen from saint to the Devil Incarnate. And let's not get started on what she thinks of Bishonen and YBM. Wow. Now, after a couple of emails, we seem to be getting no where. As Bish put it, the main rule she's violating is Bratsche talk 02:35, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Nandesuka's RfA
I just wanted to drop you a note to thank you for your support on my RfA. I'll try my best to live up to the trust you've shown in me. And hey, maybe the opposition to anything you like isn't as strong as you thought! Thanks, Nandesuka 00:47, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Rouge admin strikes again
User_talk:FeloniousMonk FeloniousMonk 15:20, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll reply here, to avoid hurting feelings on your user page, but that's hilarious. A person would go to war with "With" as their only ammunition and then make the classic "Rouge Admin" mistake.  Wow.  That's a double whammy.  Obviously, Mel deserves the award, with victims like that.  Geogre 17:05, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I thought you'd enjoy that. FeloniousMonk 18:49, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Thanks for your support and kind words at my RfA. It means alot, particularly coming from an editor such as yourself. I have to admit, I was looking for a support vote from the Geogre, and was starting to get a little worried that it wasn't coming. Thanks again. -R. fiend 15:51, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Actually, I was a bit surprised at how few of them were charging. The "D"-word was not mentioned as much as the "he's a bit of an obnoxious ass who bites newbies" exaggerated allegation. I was expecting some opposition based on both. The extreme inclusionist faction was underrepresented. There's a particular admin I know you've had a few run-ins with who I thought might oppose, as well as an unnamed user who frequently votes to Keep All Particularly Pathetic Articles. Of course, as with you, they might not check RfA too often, or merely decided that not voting to support was enough (my general M.O.; I don't think I've opposed anyone yet, though I think I've only voted in favor of three). I've also noticed that some of the extreme inclusionists put aside idealogical differences and supported, which was pretty big of them really. And I was nearly shocked that no one mentioned F.E.C.E.S., as even though I don't use the term in voting anymore, it's still right there on my user page. I am quite curious as to how such votes might turn out of they lasted not a week but a month. -R. fiend 17:10, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Reagan/Doral High School
Please reconsider your vote. The school does exist. The campus has been topped off and construction ended on September 14th (now they gotta paint it and create gardens/fields, and fill it with crap). Classes have begun on the Doral Middle School Campus, with its own hours and section at that campus. It has an administration, teachers, and 9th grade students, it will be holding Sports try-outs for Spring and Winter sports for this school year next Tuesday at another nearby High School; it has a chosen mascot and colors, has an address, phone numbers, boundaries, feeder schools, and a PTA. I don't think it qualifies as a crystal ball article just because the main campus hasn't opened yet. The article is about the school, not about the building. PRueda29 23:20, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

RFAs
Hi Geogre, I dont believe that we have spoken before. The reason for my "visit", is that Im asking if you could be a little more pleasant on RFAs. Now, Im not saying that you are mean or hurtful, or anything, dont get me wrong. And I dont think its intentional, but the tone of many of your comments are a bit —for lack of a better word—harsh. For example, on Empty2005's RFA you said "Oppose: Not even remotely within a cannon shot of the standards, and the very self-nom here is nearly a sign of contempt for our processes". You raise very valid points in your comments, but sometimes its not what you say, but how you say what you say, you know. Many times, there are others who would opt for adminship, but they are afraid that they will be torn down (I know I was). So please, take it a bit easier. Thanks →Jo urna list   >>talk<<  03:17, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Advice for VfD Voters
Hi Geogre!

I would like to dispute the first point of advice that you give on your userpage: "VfD is for votes, not proof." The recent name change of VFD to AFD was to in fact to empasize that the deletion discussion page was not for pure voting, and to encourage discussion rather than voting.

In general when I close a debate where the result is not immediately obvious I will start off with counting the votes, but I won't stop there. In general, I look for a two-thirds majority to delete, but exceptions are common. Among other things apart from the vote count I consider these factors in a close debate:
 * 1) Are the reasons given to "keep" based and supported on Wikipedia policies or guidelines (WP:FICT, WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, etc.)?
 * 2) *Here a vote like "Keep. Meets WP:MUSIC" is not such a convincing reason (it is a mere assertion), but "Keep. This person has been on the top sales list in Honduras for half a year" can easily sway a discussion to the "keep" side, even if there is slightly more than a two thirds majority to delete.
 * 3) Have any of the reasons given to "keep" been successfully rebutted? (E.g. the reason given that the person is notable has been proven to be a hoax.)
 * 4) Have any of the reasons given to "delete" been successfully rebutted? (E.g. reason given to delete is that the article was untranslated, but four days into the discussion someone translates it.)

A vote given with a very brief reason ("Delete nn" or "Keep, I like this article") or worse, no reason at all, will get tallied for the vote count, and that is a fairly important part of my decision making. But they carry very little weight when I am weighing the arguments in a close call. Sjakkalle (Check!)  10:40, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm going to reply to you both on my own page and yours, because, although what I wrote I wrote well over a year ago, I do think it's important to clarify my intent. As I wrote, offering a reasoning for one's vote is vital, but trying to cudgel the other fellow into submission is ridiculously wasteful.  I.e. argue your case, but do not have an argument.  I was trying to dissuade people from the vote-by-vote rebuttal that we have all seen all too frequently.  The rabid and avid supporter goes to "comment" after every vote that is not consonant with her own, and then feels that she has "proven" that the article must or must not be deleted.  (N.b. I don't agree with the change to AfD, either, but I abide by the policies that I disagree with, so long as they are consented to by the majority.  And yes, I could get a lot more picky about it than I am, but there's no point.)  The endless "prove" vote degenerates into a spitting contest and discourages people from making VfD nominations or casting votes.  I.e. that "discussion" ends all discussion, and I was advising people to state their reasons and not try to "prove" the issue.  Geogre 13:16, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your response; OK, I see it is the debates which degenerate into shouting matches or where a person sets about to answer every opposing vote which you were talking about. While I think it is OK to comment politely on another person's vote, I tend to agree that shouting matches are a bad thing in general. (Actually, I've seen that kind of thing more often on RFA than AFD, this one and this one for example, where such arguing is really making a disservice to yourself.) I just wanted to make sure that everyone knows that well-reasoned comments (i.e. good arguments for either keeping or deleting) can easily override the simple vote count, especially in close cases. Sjakkalle (Check!)  13:38, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Geogre-- Thank you for your comments on my RfA. I never realised that JETFA would cause so much derision. It was never really meant as a slam on people that simply tag articles. It was just to try and encourage people to edit articles, rather than leave them for someone else. Thank you for your kind words, and if I do not get promoted, I hope you would think about supporting me in a few months. Thanks for your time. -- Lord Vold e  mort  (Dark Mark)  14:27, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Images
Image:Rouge-Admin.png is beautiful and I have adopted it. I've also put Geogre-7 on the WP:AFD front page, we'll see how long it lasts ;-) - David Gerard 11:21, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 52 minutes. Sorry Geogre, you're a fine chap but you are not notable enough to grace one of the most visited pages on Wikipedia. Sjakkalle (Check!)  12:15, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Good Lord! I'm shocked it made it 52 minutes. The best thing about being me is that it means I don't have to see me. I couldn't imagine sharing the horror like that. As for the Rouge Admin award, I encourage all Rouge Admins to proudly identify themselves with the banner, so long as they are aware that Italians could take offense, as the real Red Brigades did some fairly nasty things, and no one should be perceived as making light of their violence. Geogre 13:29, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Do I deserve that award? :-) Sjakkalle (Check!)  13:43, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Have you been accused of being a "Rouge" admin by the sorts of people who can't spell? Do you have thugs, morons, and goons on your user page demanding that you stop being mean to them? Do you find yourself looking for ways to interpret the speedy deletion criteria to cover the general category "crap?" Have you been accused of "censorship" for removing or advising against personal attacks and/or the removal of photos of genitals? If you answered "yes" to any of these, or if you just plain feel like it, you deserve the award. :-) Geogre 13:52, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, dear... I recently sent a stuffy and humorless little missive to David Gerard, not realising that his addition of your image to WP:AFD had your... blessing... foreknowledge. I think an edit war may be in progress as SPUI reinserted it immediately after Sjakkale removed it. Dpbsmith (talk) 21:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Norse Mythology article
Since you seemed unsure about your editing of the of the Norse Mythology article- well, I like the expansion you wrote. :) P.MacUidhir 00:11, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I was seeing it lose out on FAC largely for matters of wording, so I thought I'd try to light a candle rather than curse the darkness.  Wiglaf had done a great deal, but, although his English skills are excellent, he's not a native speaker, and there were some sentences with peculiar structures.  I.e. the structures were fine, grammatically, but they no doubt struck the native English readers, at least on a subconscious level, as odd, so I wanted to smooth that out.  At the same time, I couldn't help poking about at least a little.  Still, I mainly know Anglo-Saxon versions and what I read in the Prose Edda, so I don't want to overstate or undercut anything already there.  Geogre 02:18, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

It's official Geogre- you've been around a while
In recognition of your excellent work on the Peterborough Chronicle (thereby making you our first Wikipedist, circa the 14th century ;)), I am happy to present you with this Epic Barnstar, which, although cracked and moss-covered and whatnot, is still fully serviceable and would fetch a good price. Bring it by the Antiques' Roadshow sometime!--Scimitar parley 16:54, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * That's your first! Dear God, you've only been here since when?!? I assumed you had some subpage hidden somewhere with a dozen or so!--Scimitar parley 18:16, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi
Thanks for your note; unfortunately, my return has not been universally welcome. I had an e-mail today that is giving me cause for reconsidering. Filiocht | The kettle's on 07:13, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, would you believe it; I'd only just finished convincing myself that Ed's actions were a lesson the community had learnt from, when along comes Snowspinner. Really, life is too short for this. Filiocht | The kettle's on 12:25, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Day by day it is. I wonder how much longer I can stick it, really. Plus I'm annoyed with myself for hurting Bish, who now wants nothing more to do with me. Which, of course, means that I have failed to meet the standards of good interaction that I want to see from others. But Tony and Snowjob are really too much. Filiocht | The kettle's on 07:21, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Question
Hi Geogre. While I my opinion and your opinion diverged completetely on Tony Sidaway's RFC, I agree with you on the one brought against Snowspinner. I too believe that the rules on AFD should be followed. Lawful Neutral is the best alignment you can be.

I'm just a bit curious why you started mentioning Kappa on the noticeboard however. While Kappa votes "keep" very often, I have actually never seen him call for a "speedy keep" or a premature closing of a debate. Sjakkalle (Check!)  12:22, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

 * What has bothered me about Kappa is that I have seen him vote "keep" without, apparently, reading the article, and his "keep" votes have (at least in the past) been "keep" without rationale. I think "delete, nn" is an invalid vote, just as "keep, is too!" is (e.g. an article that says "Lincoln Elementary is a school in Summit New jersey it's princeple is Ms Johnson" gets "Keep, notable!" when the nomination and previous votes were "Says nothing" and "merge with Summit, New Jersey").  However, I also mentioned Taco Deposit in the same comment, whom I consider to be a good editor.  It was not supposed to be a hall of villany (after all, I did mention myself in the list).  Geogre 12:31, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I don't consider "delete nn" as an invalid vote, at least no more invalid than any unreasoned vote. When I close debates, such votes go into my vote count although they don't carry much weight if the decision is a close one. 6d-3k for example is something I will call a "delete" in most circumstances (two thirds majority after all), but if a valid reason to keep ("this person has written a best-selling book, here is the reference") has just been answered with "delete nn", I will have no qualms about declaring: "keep (no consensus), the reason given to keep was never rebutted." Anyway, I always look to Rossami for inspiration to find good ways to close difficult debates, I think you summed up his assets really well when you supported his adminship. Sjakkalle (Check!)  13:44, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I am aware that a "keep" vote with no reason given may be given less weight. If I don't give a reason, it's because I don't feel the article is in any further danger, generally because the orginal objection has been satisfied. Kappa 15:40, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh? When was the last time anyone said "notability" was the reason for wanting an absurd exercise in futility like "East Street High School is a school on East Street. Its colors are black and white?" I almost never see that. When the article nomination specifically mentions that the "article" is a substub, you show up with "All schools are notable" and "Notable!" That smacks of never even having read the article. As I have said repeatedly, not all schools are notable. Not all of anything is notable. The debate should be on the article, not the subject, not the nominator, not some divinely revealed principle, not ethnicity. Vote the damned article, not some moronic imagination of a war between "deletionists" and "inclusionists." As I have also said repeatedly, a vote without a rationale is not a vote. It is the duty of voters to have a rationale, even if it's "per Bob" or "per nomination." This, incidentally, is not just my opinion: we have abolished quickpolls and we have had several motions on whether rationale is required. Begging Sjakkalle's pardon, but he really shouldn't be counting votes that have no rationale, nor nonce voters. In my opinion, he also ought not count votes that don't address the article, that, instead, go off on some tangent and are offered against the Great Red Herring. Geogre 16:04, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh you're refering to votes like "keep all schools/villages/metro stations" etc. Your example doesn't adequately identify the topic, so I wouldn't be voting to keep that unless someone fixed it, which of course they would if it was a school on Afd. Articles which adequately identify notable topics are useful both to readers and to the task of building an encylopedia and should be kept or merged, even if all they say is "Al-Farabi University is a university in Almaty, Kazakhstan" or "Cresserons is a commune of the département of Calvados, in the Basse-Normandie région, in France". Kappa 17:03, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Fix it, and I'll vote "keep." I've always changed votes if people repair the articles, and so would the other "deletionists." Don't fix it, and you should vote "delete." If it, in its present form, violates the deletion policy, then the only proper vote is "delete." If it is advertising now, you should vote delete until the advertising is gone. Having faith that someone, somewhere, some time will fix it is a wonderful vision, but you leave irrelevancies and advertising and trash on the site while you wait for that hypothetical person. The old "inclusionists" used to actually fix the articles while they were on VfD. I have nothing but respect for them. As for people who won't do any work but vote to "keep" anyway...not so much. The more repair work I see, the greater my respect. The more "I don't care! I vote keep because it's on my subject!" I see, the more I call it disruption. The more "Come on, everyone! Let's all show up and vote 'keep' because it's on a subject we like" I see, the more I consider it vandalism and GNAA-style trolling. That should explain my reaction well enough. (In the case of "Lincoln elementary school is in summitt New jersey," there needs to be something about that particular school to make it unique, other than its address and employees. Otherwise, the corner Texaco station should get an entry.)  Geogre 20:08, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * You want to treat schools differently from villages, universities and metro stations, I don't. I think reasonable people can differ on this issue. Kappa 20:52, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

I want to treat public high schools and others with no particular history or character the same way that I would a hotdog stand. Cities have historical significance, no matter what. Universities are in by fiat, and each, by its nature, not only seeks to be different from the others but must be different from the others, as it is a wholly independent unit with its own sovereignty over curriculum, location, schedule, admissions, and activities. Public schools have none of that and therefore resemble each other to such a degree that there's no distinguishing between them, except by address. Therefore, they are not set apart from the others and are not discussion topics. However, I treat school articles exactly like village, shopping mall, and hotdog stand articles: if the article says nothing that distinguishes it from the rest, then there is no need for an article on it. We don't have articles because it is pleasant to the authors -- that's Everything2 -- but because they serve a function in reference that is not duplicated by a map or a phone book. Again, no article is automatically included, towns, universities, etc. Some subjects are automatic byes, but no articles. You want to not read or evaluate the articles and just say that, because it's got "school" in the title, it has to be kept. That's irresponsible and thuggish. Geogre 21:55, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * LOL George we've already established that I don't vote "keep" just because an article has "school" in its title, please try to follow the discussion. Any article which adequately identifies a village, university, train station etc will be kept more or less automatically. Your statement about public schools' lack of automony is an extreme over-generalization but even if it were true, they differ in their input and output, and these are things I cannot learn about from a map or phone book. Kappa 00:31, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

We've established that you don't read the articles and don't vote on their contents, but rather on the purported subject matter. Experience has shown that you also don't work to improve those articles before voting, "keep." You appear to be a person who learns more from "It is a place in Russia" and "It is a school in Patterson, New Jersey" than you do from map and phone books, although how you do this remains a mystery known only to you. Now, once you also allow others to differ from your view and not hector them when they reasonably nominate or vote to delete for lack of content, lack of significance, or lack of worth of a particular article, we'll have really done some good work. Geogre 02:40, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * George please try really hard to follow the discussion. I can't vote on the subject matter of an article unless I read it to find out what that matter is. No-one learns anything much from "X is a university in Almaty, Kazakhstan" that they couldn't find in a phone book, but the university stub is left in peace, because of its subject. Kappa 03:03, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

The substub is not left in peace, in fact. It is speedy deleted, as is proper for a thing like that. No, Kappa, there is no category whatever where the mere promise of a subject in the article title allows it to be kept, and if you're voting "keep" on substubs you are voting against the speedy delete criteria as well as the deletion guidelines. Do please try to read the articles you vote on and see what they say. In several instances you have "rebutted" arguments never set forth by the nominators and shown desperate unfamiliarity with the articles you voted on, even voting to "keep" copyright violations. Stop that knee from jerking just long enough to read the articles and vote in line with the deletion guidelines, not in line with a desire that some day the article will be appropriate for inclusion... ...Unless you're actually going to start trying to improve the articles and put in some work on them, that is. Geogre 03:18, 5 October 2005 (UTC) Geogre, I in fact don't speedy delete things like "X is a village in Y". Such an article has awfully little content to be sure, but there is still enough context to run clear the "little or no context" rule of CSD. I would most definitely prefer that people plant small plants rather than seeds, ("X is a village in Y. It has a population of 5000 and lies 10 km north of the city of Z. It is connected by railway." is a small plant, while "X is a village in Y" is a seed.), and I try to make articles at least somwhat informative before submitting them. However, even a seed can grow so I let them stay. Now garbage has got to go, so if the article on the real village was "X is gay" that gets a speedy delete. Sjakkalle (Check!)  07:17, 5 October 2005 (UTC) On days when I'm in a good mood and on New Pages Patrol (sadly a combination which there has been less of lately) and discover "X is a town in Y" articles, I will google on the name to make an attempt to find something more about the town for a small but fast expansion, so it can grow from substub to stub. If the substub had been speedied, the town might go for a long time without an article. The -template as well as the various  templates are usually better than deleting. There are several people working on expanding stubs, so I say give it some time. Tell, you what I'm in a fairly good mood today, I'll try to expand 10 geographical substubs today! Sjakkalle (Check!)  08:10, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not a crime to vote to keep a copyright violation if I don't realize that's what it is, that could happen to anyone. I will continue to read the articles and vote in line with the deletion guidelines. Kappa 03:40, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It said so in the nomination, which you apparently didn't read. That's my point.  You've been so eager to "stop the deletionist trolls" that you haven't even noticed what the grounds were that were being offered for deletion!  No one says "Not notable" on school nominations.  That's not a game, and this is not point scoring.  Read the nominations, and do try to respect the nominators at least as much as you do the authors of "Ria Fulton is a famous painter. She lives in Brooklyn" articles.  Don't insult them, try to buffalo them, or automatically oppose them.  Read and consider the article individually.  I consider each school article (article!) individually, because there are no universal keeps. Geogre 07:35, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe you are referring to Articles for deletion/Apeejay Public School. The nomination does not say "coyvio", in fact it implies the opposite. I responded to the nomination in my vote, so you should be able to deduce that I read it. Kappa 11:10, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * All I can say is that I do speedy delete them. This is a matter of judgment, but I consider anything that is only a predicate nominative as being no content at all.  My students used to try to get around the "Use the following words in a sentence" quiz by saying, "Perspicacious is a word that is hard to use in a sentence."  I flunked 'em.  "Microsoft is a very big software company" is not little; it's nothing.  The subject matter does not forgive the performance.  If anything, it indicts it more.  Inasmuch as we have agreed (and only because we have agreed) that places that register on maps are worth an article, it means that we have agreed that it is important as a subject.  Having an insulting little predicate nominative there prevents another author from creating the article and beginning with a proper format.  It inflates our numbers while diminishing our knowledge.  "X is in Y" is, indeed, less that what a map would say, because a map would at least give the visual information of what is near it (rivers, roads, other towns), while the predicate nominative attempts to give a quiz answer without giving any actual knowledge. Geogre 07:35, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I respect that. I rarely have a problem with people who put their energies into making the place better, and it kills me when someone tries to improve a VfD article and the thing still has to be a delete (e.g. the website is still minor, and WP:NOT a web guide).  I am convinced that most of the substub authors are either too lazy or too dumb to be much help to Wikipedia.  Even vandals are more likely to be good editors than substub writers.  I don't, however, share your faith in stub templates and, especially, the expand template.  A lot of folks seem to think that wikifying the 5 words that are there is all that's needed.  (I'd rather have no wiki-links but some actual information than have every other word linked.)  Therefore, if I see a substub, I'm usually going to delete it, unless it's a subject that I can fix up.  (I've done some huge repairs in the past.  My favorites are Wise Blood and Film adaptation.)  When people get done bemoaning "VfD is broken," they can realize that "Cleanup is broken," too, and that's one of the reasons VfD is broken.  Geogre 10:11, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Systemwars.com
Hi. You voted to delete Systemwars.com and it was deleted. However, Tony Sidaway has decided that your vote and the consensus that agreed with you was insufficient. He has recreated the article in violation of policy and relisted it for deletion at Articles for deletion/Systemwars.com (second version). Please take a look. - Tεx  τ  urε  15:46, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * No mystery there. Validly deleted articles that are recreated are speedy candidates.  I have deleted it and will not play Tony's absurd game of thinking that VfD is the way to circumvent VfU.  It is not.  No more debate is necessary.  If he recreates it, it should be speedy deleted until there is a consensus to undelete it.  That would revoke the deletion determination, and only that. Geogre 15:58, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Department of Silly Walks
John Arbuthnot is lovely! "The only fault an enemy could lay upon him was a slight waddle in his walk". The Augustan Age seems to have taken a great interest in the way a person walks. Did you know that the actor John Verbruggen, who played the reformed rake in The Relapse, was reportedly "a little in-kneed, which gave him a shambling gait"? But that wasn't a fault in his case, it "was a carelessness, and became him". :-) Bishonen | talk 01:51, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Really, you think The Relapse is shaping up? Thanks! I love that play. The article's plagued by all the Country Wife dubieties in spades. The actor situation is terribly complicated, with the sequel thing plus the actors' rebellion thing: how am I going to keep that lot proportionate yet comprehensible yet meaningful, and at the same time avoid boring everybody to death with it? (Plus I REALLY WANT TO WRITE A LOT ABOUT IT, and sneak in pinko anachronisms about labor/management conflicts, let 'em be bored, see if I care.) Secondly, there are no pictures to be had: not only were actors obscure people, but these scabs were obscure actors, since all the good actors had split. And thirdly, the latest Relapse edition is from 1971, I know nothing of the stage history of the last 35 years, I'm totally guessing. :-(. Ah, me. I don't really need you to tell me about comprehensibility and proportion now, since it's totally in process, but I will need it extremely much in a few days' time. (I just got the 1971 edition, ed. Bernard Harris, super-good guy, in the mail today.) Bishonen | talk 18:15, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, when it comes time, I'll be happy to help hide the commie barbs. I've hidden a few in my own in the past, and I hid a nice "18th c. publishing = today's web" and "18th c. drama = Hollywood," and I've seen those bear fruit already. I had someone "help" an article with the former point in it by explicitly stating it as a new revelation (tee-hee quathe he) and the latter by saying it in comments. I suppose you can try to cover the lack of portraits with "here are the people whose jobs they took" and with "this is a stage, and this is a different stage, and this is a picture of people on a stage; none of these people are discussed in the article," but, of course, that's annoying. What I like about it is that The Relapse ties in most of your other articles so that it appears that you are writing it because of general research, and Bishonen readers get it. It was that way with Augustan literature for me: I got a chance to essentially tie in every article I've written here (except the religious and mythological ones). It kind of felt like "all my articles are developments of this one thing," and I got to do the shaping of it. There's a lot of pleasure in that. (It just occurred to me: there is room for anti-commie barbs, too, as the workers controlled the means of production, only to have themselves prove a bad boss, too. (Or was that after '95?)  Geogre 21:19, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Pedantic copy editor sent arse over tip by attack of killer Easter egg
Erm, Geogre, pedantries: how come the Peterborough Chronicle isn't italicized when Gesta Regum Anglorum is, is there a system? More importantly, what's up with the "copy of Winchester's", I don't understand what that means? Is the link supposed to be an Easter egg with Winchester Cathedral inside? Why? Bishonen | talk 20:16, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicles aren't, at least in my way of thinking, conscious artworks, aren't "books" in the usual sense, and so aren't like Gesta Regum Anglorum. In fact, they're annals created year by year by the various abbeys.  The real title would be "the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle of Peterborough Abbey."  There was a Chronicle at Peterborough, one at Winchester Cathedral, one at Rochester Cathedral, one anywhere and everywhere.  When, say, Durham's was burned or destroyed, or when a new abbey opened up, they'd need to get the history of all the years now gone (or not done), so they'd copy from a neighbor.  Is there a confusion deeper than that or a misdirection I'm missing?  Geogre 20:57, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

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For the 118th United States Congress, NJ's 9th congressional district is represented by Bill Pascrell (D, Paterson).

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Kanyama Chiume

Kanyama Chiume (22 November 1929 – 21 November 2007), born Murray William Kanyama Chiume, was a leading nationalist in the struggle for Malawi's independence in the 1950s and 1960s. He was also one of the leaders of the Nyasaland African Congress and served as the Minister of Education and the Minister for Foreign Affairs in the 1960s before fleeing the country after the 1964 Cabinet Crisis.

Early life and education
Chiume was born in Nkhata Bay District, Nyasaland, and described his given name, Kanyama, as meaning "another piece of meat for you," a wry joke by parents who had grown wearily accustomed to death in their family. Chiume's younger brother died at two months, and Chiume's own mother died the following day, aged 37. After the funeral, Chiume went with his uncle to his native Tanganyika (now Tanzania). He attended schools in Dar es Salaam in the mid-1940s, at a time when this coastal city was a hotbed of African nationalist political activity. In his last year at Tabora Upper School he became Secretary of the Debating Society, polishing rhetorical skills which would later be much admired when he entered politics in Nyasaland (now Malawi). At Tabora Upper School, he reportedly invited an alumnus, Julius Nyerere, to join him in debating against white colonial teachers and administrators on political subjects.

In 1949, Chiume went to Makerere College in Kampala, Uganda, the premier university in East Africa, and in 1951 he was admitted into Makerere College's Medicine School. He later changed his major to Education, after discovering that he "could not stand human dissection", specializing in Physics, Chemistry and Biology. Among his contemporaries at Makerere were people who would in later life become some of Africa's most accomplished scholars and public officials, including B. Ogot, Kenya's celebrated historian and Chancellor of Moi University in Eldoret, and the second Kenyan president Mwai Kibaki.

He was president of the Makerere College Political Society, while Mwai Kibaki was a committee member. Later he was joined at Makerere by other Nyasas, Vincent Gondwe, David Rubadiri (former Vice Chancellor of the University of Malawi), and Augustine Bwanausi (former Malawi cabinet minister). Chiume was also chairperson of the Makerere College Education Society. Chiume and other students formed a Nyasaland Students Association at Makerere, an association that helped the Nyasaland African Congress by doing research.

After graduating from college Chiume taught at Alliance Secondary School in Dodoma, Tanganyika. He resigned after the white headmaster insinuated that the presence of a pre-adolescent girl in Chiume's house might create immoral temptations. Chiume was extremely offended by the remark, which further gave him resolve to fight for the dignity of Africans. "I had made up my mind there and then to plunge myself into politics and to help remove the obstacles that lay before Africans who wished to have human dignity. I was determined to try and play my part, however small, to free Mother Africa" (from his autobiography). He then went to study law, on a scholarship, at Ramjas College in Delhi, India. Upon being approached by the Nyasaland African Congress to stand in the country's first general election in 1956, Chiume accepted, and decided not to further pursue his interest in law.

Malawi Independence
In 1955, Nyasaland adopted a new constitution designed to give more representation to Africans, and in the elections which followed Chiume, along with Henry Chipembere, became one of five African representatives in the Legislative Council. He and Chipembere electrified the native population with their vigorous speeches and combative questions in the legislature, which had until then been a somewhat sedate body. As a result, Hansard, the official record of the Council's proceedings, became a bestseller among Nyasa Africans.

Along with Chipembere and the Chisiza brothers (Dunduzu and Yatuta), Chiume became a driving force in organizing popular support in the mid to late 1950s for Hastings Banda and in persuading Banda to return to Nyasaland in order to lead the country to independence. He was given a senior post in the Congress at the Nkhata Bay conference in August 1958 when it adopted Banda as its unquestioned leader.

In March 1959, Chiume avoided arrest while he was in London during "Operation Sunrise" when the local colonial government rounded up and interned members of the Nyasaland African Congress during the state of emergency. In July 1960 he joined Banda, Orton Chirwa, Aleke Banda and other prominent Africans at the Nyasaland Constitutional Conference in London. It was here that British Government decided that Nyasaland (Malawi) should become self-governing by early 1963, and that Banda, should become prime minister. Chiume was made Minister of Education in 1962 and went on to become Foreign Minister in the first government formed after Malawi's official independence in July 1964.

Tanzania exile
Chiume was a key leader in the 1964 Malawi Cabinet Crisis. He was labeled the leader of the crisis and an enemy of Banda after displeasing Banda with a speech in Cairo during a conference for the Organisation of African Unity. He was subsequently driven out of the (now renamed) Malawi Congress Party and exiled to Tanzania from 1964 to 1994.

While in exile, Chiume became active with Tanzania's The Nationalist, Daily News, and Uhuru newspapers. He became an author and publisher of numerous books. He returned to Malawi in 1994 after internal and international pressure on Dr. Banda. After his return Chiume briefly served as Chairman of Malawi National Library Service and the Malawi Book Service. He retired from active politics and eventually moved to New York to live with family before his death on 21 November 2007.

Death
Kanyama Chiume retired from active politics and eventually moved to New York to live with his family until his death on 21 November 2007, the day before his 78th birthday. The remains of the veteran politician arrived back in Lilongwe, Malawi on 29 November 2007.

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Kenneth Cope (musician)

Kenneth Cope (born June 12, 1961) is an American composer and performer of religious music geared towards Latter-day Saints. His first album, Heaven — Don't Miss It For The World, was released in 1988. His twelfth album, All About You, was released in March 2008. His album, Son of Man, was released in 2018.

Cope lived in Houston, Texas, during his high school years and attended the High School for the Performing and Visual Arts. He has been closely associated with the music of Especially for Youth (EFY), with seven EFY albums having songs he composed. He served as a missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Switzerland and France from 1980 to 1982. He currently resides in Salt Lake City, Utah and has served as a bishop.

He and his wife have three children.

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Għallis Tower

Għallis Tower (Torri tal-Għallis), originally known as Torre delle Saline, is a small watchtower in Salina, limits of Naxxar, Malta. It was completed in 1658 as the second of the De Redin towers. Today, the tower is in fair condition.

History
Għallis Tower was built in 1658 on the eastern shore of Għallis Point (Ras l-Għallis), commanding the entrance to Salina Bay along with Qawra Tower, one of the Lascaris towers. The tower was built on or near the site of a medieval watch post. It follows the standard design of the De Redin towers, having a square plan with two floors and a turret on the roof. The external wall is made of upper coralline limestone which is weather resistant whilst the inner wall is made of the softer globigerina limestone. It originally had a garrison consisting of a bombardier and three gunners, who manned a three-pounder iron cannon.

During the British period, Għallis Tower was modified by opening a doorway at ground level and the insertion of roof slabs.

On 9 March 1955, the corpse of Toninu Aquilina, a 35-year-old employee of the Malta Millers Association, was found inside the tower's well. Aquilina had gone missing in Valletta on 24 February whilst carrying a large sum of cash and cheques from his workplace to a bank, and the 31-year-old cashier George Terreni was later convicted of his murder.

Present day

By the 1990s, Għallis Tower was in a state of disrepair, with parts of its exterior being covered with plaster and cement, and many weeds growing around it. The interior was also damaged due to soot from the many fires lit inside the tower.

Din l-Art Ħelwa restored the tower between 1995 and 1996, and much of the stonework had to be replaced. Today, it is still under the control of Din l-Art Ħelwa and is in good condition. It is open to the public by appointment.

In 2015, an LED lighting system was installed at Għallis Tower. Since the tower is off Malta's electricity grid, the energy was provided by solar panels installed on the tower's roof.

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Penn State Erie, The Behrend College

Penn State Erie, The Behrend College, officially known as the Pennsylvania State University at Erie, The Behrend College, and often shortened as Penn State Behrend, is a public satellite campus of Penn State University and is located just outside Erie, Pennsylvania. It is among the largest of Penn State's commonwealth campuses, with about 4,400 students enrolled in Behrend programs on campus and online. The college offers more than 40 undergraduate majors in four academic schools: The Sam and Irene Black School of Business, the School of Engineering, the School of Humanities and Social Sciences, and the School of Science, which includes the Nursing Program. Penn State Behrend also offers five master's degrees, as well as a range of continuing education trainings through its Community and Workforce Programs.

History
The land that became Penn State Behrend was donated to the university by Mary Behrend on June 28, 1948 in memory of her husband, Ernst, co-founder of Hammermill Paper Company. The first class of 146 students enrolled at what was then known as the Behrend Center of Pennsylvania State College that fall.

When the Penn State system was reorganized in 1959, The Behrend Center became the Behrend campus of Penn State. Enrollments and the physical presence of the campus grew quickly in the 1960s and early 1970s. On January 20, 1973, the Penn State Board of Trustees granted four-year college and graduate status to Penn State Behrend, making it the first Penn State location outside University Park to achieve such status. At that time, the school was renamed as the Behrend College of the Pennsylvania State University.

The school took on its current name, the Pennsylvania State University at Erie, The Behrend College, in 1987. Since then, the college continues to grow, and features an active residential campus, more than $8 million of sponsored faculty research, and more than two dozen outreach initiatives to benefit business and industry, area K-12 students, and the Erie, Pennsylvania community.

Campus
Penn State Behrend's sprawling 854-acre campus includes more than fifty buildings, a recognized aboretum, and the scenic Wintergreen Gorge, a six-mile canyon.

College facilities include the century-old Glenhill Farmhouse, once the summer home of Ernst and Mary Behrend and now home to administrative offices, and a recently renovated Federal House, the oldest brick structure in Harborcreek Township, which was expanded in 2022 to serve as the home of the Susan Hirt Hagen Center for Community Outreach, Research, and Evaluation.

Academic buildings on the campus include:

 * An advanced molecular biology lab and biomedical translational research lab, which support Behrend's role as the academic research partner of the Magee-Womens Research Institute in Erie.
 * Finance Lab, equipped with Bloomberg Terminals, allowing students to gain experience using the same equipment used on Wall Street.
 * James R. Meehl Innovation Commons, a product development and prototyping center staffed by students and open to the community.
 * Plastics Processing Lab, a multi-million dollar processing lab, the largest and best equipped undergraduate processing lab in the nation.
 * Nursing Simulation Labs, with high-fidelity simulation mannequins that mimic nearly any health emergency.
 * Virtual/Augmented Reality Lab, which brings cutting-edge technology to students, the community, and industry partners.

The college is also home to Knowledge Park, a 100-acre research and development complex on campus, with 21 businesses employing 600 people.

The newest building on campus is Erie Hall, a $28.2 million fitness, recreation, and wellness center that replaced the college's original gymnasium.

Academics
The average class size is 21, and the student-to-faculty ratio is 12:1. The college offers four associate degrees, nearly 40 bachelor's degrees, and five master's degrees, as well as more than 50 minors and certificates.

Penn State Behrend is accredited by the Middle States Commission on Higher Education.

Student life
Penn State Behrend offers more than 140 clubs and organizations on campus, including academic clubs, fraternities and sororities, service organizations, and cultural societies. Larger groups on campus include the Lion Entertainment Board, which is responsible for bringing entertainment to the student population; the Student Government Association; and the Multi-Cultural Council, which coordinates a variety of groups to promote unity.

The Behrend Beacon
The Behrend Beacon is the student newspaper. It is published weekly during the academic year.

BVZ Radio
The college is also home to BVZ Radio ("The Voice Of Behrend"), an online streaming radio station. The station is managed by a student management team. All show programming is produced by students. BVZ often broadcasts live events on the Behrend campus and in the Erie area.

Fraternities and Sororities
Behrend has a Greek life system. There are four college-recognized social fraternities: Kappa Sigma, Sigma Tau Gamma, Delta Chi, and Triangle. There are three college-recognized social sororities: Alpha Sigma Alpha, Alpha Sigma Tau, and Theta Phi Alpha. Delta Sigma Pi, a professional fraternity; Gamma Sigma Sigma, a national service sorority; and Alpha Phi Omega, a national co-ed service fraternity, are also recognized by the college.

On-campus living
Students living on the Behrend campus have their choice of traditional residence halls or suite-style residences. On-campus apartments are reserved for eligible upper-level students. Special housing options, known as Living Learning Communities, are available for students enrolled in Behrend Honors or Schreyer Honors programs, as well as those in certain majors, such as engineering or nursing, or with certain interests. All residences at Behrend are named after individuals or ships connected to the Battle of Lake Erie.

On-campus dining
There are five on-campus dining facilities:

 * Dobbins Dining is the college's main dining hall, serving breakfast, lunch, and dinner, as well as daily specials.
 * Bruno's Café is an on-campus café where students can get all types of food and drinks for dine-in or to-go. It is located in the Reed Union Building. There is often live entertainment on weekends.
 * Paw's coffee shop offers coffee drinks, pastries, treats, and Penn State Berkey Creamery ice cream.
 * The Galley is a convenience store, where students can buy packaged food items and other necessities.
 * Clark Café offers a variety of sandwiches, wraps, salads, and drinks.

Athletics
Penn State Behrend men and women compete as the Behrend Lions in 24 varsity sports. Penn State Behrend is a member of NCAA Division III, the Allegheny Mountain Collegiate Conference and the Eastern College Athletic Conference.

Men's varsity sports

 * Baseball
 * Basketball
 * Cross country
 * Golf
 * Soccer
 * Swimming
 * Tennis
 * Track and Field (indoor and outdoor)
 * Volleyball
 * Water polo
 * Wrestling

Women's varsity sports

 * Basketball
 * Bowling
 * Cross country
 * Golf
 * Soccer
 * Softball
 * Swimming
 * Tennis
 * Track and Field (indoor and outdoor)
 * Volleyball
 * Water polo

Club sports
Students also participate in five intercollegiate club teams: cheerleading, ice hockey, and men's and women's lacrosse, and rugby. Behrend also has a competitive esports team.

Points of interest

 * Arboretum at Penn State Behrend
 * Wintergreen Gorge

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Triangulated irregular network

In computer graphics, a triangulated irregular network (TIN) is a representation of a continuous surface consisting entirely of triangular facets (a triangle mesh), used mainly as Discrete Global Grid in primary elevation modeling.

The vertices of these triangles are created from field recorded spot elevations through a variety of means including surveying through conventional techniques, Global Positioning System Real-Time Kinematic (GPS RTK), photogrammetry, or some other means. Associated with three-dimensional $(x, y, z)$ data and topography, TINs are useful for the description and analysis of general horizontal $(x, y)$ distributions and relationships.

Digital TIN data structures are used in a variety of applications, including geographic information systems (GIS), and computer aided design (CAD) for the visual representation of a topographical surface. A TIN is a vector-based representation of the physical land surface or sea bottom, made up of irregularly distributed nodes and lines with three-dimensional coordinates $(x, y, z)$ that are arranged in a network of non-overlapping triangles.

A TIN comprises a triangular network of vertices, known as mass points, with associated coordinates in three dimensions connected by edges to form a triangular tessellation. Three-dimensional visualizations are readily created by rendering of the triangular facets. In regions where there is little variation in surface height, the points may be widely spaced whereas in areas of more intense variation in height the point density is increased.

A TIN used to represent terrain is often called a digital elevation model (DEM), which can be further used to produce digital surface models (DSM) or digital terrain models (DTM). An advantage of using a TIN over a rasterized digital elevation model (DEM) in mapping and analysis is that the points of a TIN are distributed variably based on an algorithm that determines which points are most necessary to create an accurate representation of the terrain. Data input is therefore flexible and fewer points need to be stored than in a raster DEM, with regularly distributed points. While a TIN may be considered less suited than a raster DEM for certain kinds of GIS applications, such as analysis of a surface's slope and aspect, it is often used in CAD to create contour lines. A DTM and DSM can be formed from a DEM. A DEM can be interpolated from a TIN.

TIN are based on a Delaunay triangulation or constrained Delaunay. Delaunay conforming triangulations are recommended over constrained triangulations. This is because the resulting TINs are likely to contain fewer long, skinny triangles, which are undesirable for surface analysis. Additionally, natural neighbor interpolation and Thiessen (Voronoi) polygon generation can only be performed on Delaunay conforming triangulations. A constrained Delaunay triangulation can be considered when you need to explicitly define certain edges that are guaranteed not to be modified (that is, split into multiple edges) by the triangulator. Constrained Delaunay triangulations are also useful for minimizing the size of a TIN, since they have fewer nodes and triangles where breaklines are not densified.

The TIN model was developed in the early 1970s as a simple way to build a surface from a set of irregularly spaced points. The first triangulated irregular network program for GIS was written by W. Randolph Franklin, under the direction of David Douglas and Thomas Peucker (Poiker), at Canada's Simon Fraser University,  in 1973.

File formats
A variety of different file formats exist for saving TIN information, including Esri TIN, along with others such as AquaVeo and ICEM CFD.

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Twitches (film)

Twitches is a 2005 American fantasy comedy-drama film released as a Disney Channel original movie and based on the Twitches book series published by Scholastic Press. Produced by Broomsticks Productions Limited, the film stars Tia Mowry and Tamera Mowry as Alexandra Fielding and Camryn Barnes, respectively. A sequel, Twitches Too, aired on October 12, 2007, as a part of Disney Channel's Hauntober Fest.

Plot
In the magical dimension of Coventry, the royal witch Miranda gives birth to identical twin daughters on Halloween night. The sisters are named Apolla and Artemis after the Olympian twins, the gods of the Sun and Moon, respectively; in accordance with their namesakes, Apolla wears an amulet in the shape of the Sun and Artemis wears an amulet in the shape of the Moon. Their father Aron DuBaer, a powerful warlock, transfers the entirety of his magical powers to protect them from an evil entity known as the Darkness and is killed in the process. Karsh and Ileana WarBurton, a magical couple and friends of the family, assume the task of protecting the twins and flee to a non-magical dimension known as Earth to give them up for adoption. Apolla is adopted by a wealthy couple who name her Camryn Elizabeth Barnes, while Artemis is adopted by a single mother and is named Alexandra "Alex" Nicole Fielding. Alex grows up to be a night owl and stays up until the moon sets, writing about the chronicles of magical twin sisters, unaware that her stories are true. She shares a single bedroom with her close friend Lucinda, after her mother passes away a few months prior to her 21st birthday. Meanwhile, Camryn is a passionate artist and a lark, who wakes up at sunrise to sketch realistic pictures; unbeknownst to her, the images she creates are of Miranda and her homeland Coventry. She is spoiled and outgoing, unlike her quiet and reclusive sister; however, the duo share the traits of kindness and intelligence.

On the twins' 21st birthday, Camryn and her best friend Beth decide to shop, while Alex tries to look for a job. After Karsh and Ileana manipulate Alex into entering the store where Camryn is trying on clothes, the sisters encounter each other for the first time since their infancy. Although Camryn is overjoyed to discover Alex, the latter flees the store, prompting the former to grasp her hand, causing a burst of energy. As their magic is released, they discover that they share a sisterly bond and attempt to understand each other. Karsh and Ileana reveal themselves to the twins and inform them about their magical background, after which Alex realizes that her stories about Coventry are true. According to an old prophecy, the sisters are the only ones capable of vanquishing the Darkness and restoring Coventry. As she has the gift of knowledge, Alex refuses to help fulfill the prophecy because her stories end with death. Camryn manages to convince Alex to stay, assuring her that they are unstoppable together, and the two practice their magical powers as they bond. They dub themselves Twitches, a portmanteau of the words "twin" and "witches."

In the meantime, Miranda senses that her daughters are alive and informs their uncle Thantos, whom she married after Aron's death. The Darkness arrives at Alex's apartment, but the sisters manage to transport themselves to Coventry, and the experience overwhelms Camryn. Despite her sister's pleas, she decides that she does not want to venture further into their destiny. She leaves to participate in her costume birthday party on Earth. Alex, determined to help Coventry without her sister, reunites with Miranda and meets Thantos, who informs her that if Camryn is alone, she is powerless against the Darkness. At her party, Camryn discovers that she used to draw a face in the Darkness and learns from it that Thantos is responsible for the Darkness, and she escapes to Coventry after Karsh and Ileana sacrifice themselves to help her. As she reveals their uncle's crimes to Miranda and Alex, Thantos arrives and admits to killing his brother Aron in an attempt to acquire wealth and power. Thantos then captures Miranda and goes on a rampage around the castle. The twins combine their magic of light and love to vanquish him and restore Coventry, simultaneously reviving their mother Miranda, Karsh, and Ileana. They then celebrate their birthday on Earth, alongside Miranda and Camryn's adoptive parents, David and Emily.

Cast

 * Tia Mowry as Alexandra "Alex" Nicole Fielding / Artemis DuBaer
 * Tamera Mowry as Camryn "Cam" Elizabeth Barnes / Apolla DuBaer
 * Kristen Wilson as Miranda DuBaer, the twins' mother and Queen of Coventry. Remarries Thantos for the sake of Coventry.
 * David Ingram as Aron DuBaer, the twins' father. Killed by his own brother, Thantos.
 * Patrick Fabian as Thantos DuBaer, the twins' evil uncle and step-father. Marries Miranda after Aron's death. Revealed to be the one who controls The Darkness.
 * Jennifer Robertson as Ileana, one of the twins' guardians. She watches over Camryn.
 * Pat Kelly as Karsh, one of the twins' guardians. He watches over Alex.
 * Jessica Greco as Lucinda Carmelson, Alex's best friend. Alex lives with her after her mother's passing.
 * Jackie Rosenbaum as Beth Fish, Camryn's Best Friend.
 * Arnold Pinnock as David Barnes, Camryn's Father.
 * Karen Holness as Emily Barnes, Camryn's Mother.
 * Jessica Feliz as Nicole Carmelson, Lucinda's younger sister who loves Halloween.

Casting
Originally, Tia was supposed to play Camryn and Tamera was supposed to play Alex, but the two wanted their roles to be switched. For the first few days of filming, the cast and crew had a hard time telling Tia and Tamera apart. Kristen Wilson the actress who played Camryn/Apolla and Alex/Artemis's birth-mother is 9 years older than the Mowry Twins. Also Karen Holness who plays Camryn's adoptive mother is only a year older than Tia and Tamera.

Filming
Production for the film began in June 2005, entirely shot in Toronto, Ontario. Special effects were used in conjunction with green screens to help simulate the magic tricks shown throughout the movie - the transitions between Earth and Coventry, the moon and sun put on the same horizon, and, with the aid of a wind machine, the visualization of the Darkness' presence.

Broadcast
When the movie first aired on Disney Channel on October 14, 2005, it was viewed by 7 million viewers. In four subsequent airings during its first weekend, the movie drew a total of 21.5 million viewers and was the week's most popular cable program.

Home media
Twitches was released on Disney, in America in 2008 and in Romania in 2009

Sequel
A sequel, Twitches Too, premiered on October 12, 2007, in the US, October 26, 2007, in Canada, and November 2, 2007, in the UK.

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Where the Heart Is

Where the Heart Is may refer to:

In film:
 * Where the Heart Is (1990 film), a film starring Dabney Coleman and Uma Thurman
 * Where the Heart Is, a 1998 film directed by Robert Guédiguian
 * Where the Heart Is (2000 film), a film starring Ashley Judd and Natalie Portman

In television:
 * Where the Heart Is (American TV series), an American soap opera which ran from 1969 to 1973
 * Where the Heart Is (British TV series), a British serial drama which ran from 1997 to 2006
 * Where the Heart Is (2008 TV series), a 2008 Malaysian-Singaporean TV drama
 * "Where the Heart Is" (Everwood), an episode of Everwood

In other media:
 * Where the Heart Is (novel), a novel by Billie Letts, basis for the 2000 film
 * "Where the Heart Is", a song by Soft Cell from The Art of Falling Apart

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A child longing for knowledge, I will post notes and neede article topics, for homework, etc..

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Bienville

Bienville may refer to:

People

 * Jean-Baptiste Le Moyne de Bienville (1680–1767), French colonial administrator in New France
 * Pierre Joseph Céloron de Blainville or Celeron de Bienville (1693–1759), French colonial explorer of the Ohio Valley

Places

 * Bienville, Louisiana, U.S.
 * Bienville Parish, Louisiana, U.S.
 * Bienville, Oise, France
 * Bienville National Forest in Mississippi, U.S.
 * Lake Bienville, in Quebec, Canada

Other uses

 * USS Bienville, an American Civil War paddle steamer
 * Bienville House, a hotel in New Orleans, Louisiana, U.S.
 * Bienville University, a diploma mill in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, U.S.

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New Jersey is represented in the United States Senate by Democrats Cory Booker (Newark, term ends 2027) and Bob Menendez (Englewood Cliffs, term ends 2025).

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Ade Adepitan

Adedoyin Olayiwola "Ade" Adepitan (born 27 March 1973) is a Nigerian-born British television presenter and wheelchair basketball player. As a presenter, he has hosted a range of travel documentaries and sports programmes for BBC television. Adepitan is a disability advocate and one of the first physically disabled television presenters in the UK, with a career of over 20 years.

Adepitan was born in Lagos. As an infant he contracted polio, which caused damage to his legs that required him to use a wheelchair. At the age of three, he moved with his family to the United Kingdom, where he grew up in East London. Becoming a wheelchair basketball player, he was part of the British team that played at the 2004 Summer Paralympics, securing a bronze medal. He is involved in a range of charities promoting access to sport for disabled people, and in 2005 was made a Member of the Order of the British Empire (MBE) for services to disability sport.

During the 2000s, Adepitan began appearing on British television. His early appearances included as an actor in the programmes Casualty and Desperados. He also moved into presenting, initially primarily for sports programmes during the 2000s. From the 2010s, he increasingly appeared on travel documentaries, initially for episodes of the Channel 4 series Unreported World and then for the BBC series Africa with Ade Adepitan (2019) and Climate Change: Ade on the Frontline (2021).

In 2021, he was chosen to present open-access meetings of an unaffiliated scientific group set up to report to the public on the changing state of the global environment, following in the footsteps of Independent SAGE.

Early life
Adepitan was born in the Maryland district in Lagos, Nigeria. At the age of fifteen months Adepitan contracted polio, which affected his legs and ultimately left him unable to walk.

At the age of three, Adepitan and his mother migrated to the United Kingdom to join his father, who lived in the London Borough of Newham. He was educated at Southern Road Primary School in Plaistow, which he credits with helping him with his disability and problems at home. From an early age, he had aspirations of becoming an international sportsman. He also attended Lister Community School.

Basketball career
Adepitan is an accomplished wheelchair basketball player, for his club Milton Keynes Aces and as a member of the Great Britain team that won the bronze medal at the 2004 Summer Paralympics in Athens and the gold medal at the 2005 Paralympic World Cup in Manchester.

Television and media career
Adepitan has featured on many television programmes and series as an actor, presenter or guest, particularly for the BBC. He often uses television as a platform to campaign against racism and disability discrimination. He was one of three wheelchair basketball players featured in the 2002 BBC One ident Hip-Hop. He was one of the main presenters of the children's programme Xchange produced for CBBC and has appeared in the soap opera EastEnders. He starred as wheelchair basketball coach, "Baggy Awolowo", in the TV series Desperados.

In 2005, Adepitan participated in Beyond Boundaries which was a four-part documentary in which Adepitan trekked through rainforests, deserts, rivers and mountains in Nicaragua, and made a video diary filmed in London and Spain, talking about his sporting aspirations and how he coped as a London boy living in Zaragoza unable to speak any Spanish.

Adepitan has become increasingly involved in making documentaries for Channel 4; he was appointed as one of the main presenters on Channel 4 of the London 2012 Paralympic Games and co-presents That Paralympic Show with Rick Edwards. In 2013 he presented a Channel 4 Dispatches programme, Britain on Benefits, as well as a documentary for Channel 4's Unreported World about Cuban basketball players, Cuba, Basketball and Betrayal. He was also part of the Channel 4 2014 Winter Paralympic Games and the Rio 2016 Paralympics presenting team alongside Clare Balding.

Adepitan has also worked with the BBC, having presented the Invictus Games, guest-presenting an episode of The One Show alongside Alex Jones. In 2016, Adepitan co-presented three-part BBC Two series New York: America's Busiest City alongside Anita Rani and Ant Anstead. Since 2016, Adepitan has co-presented the BBC's Children in Need appeal. In 2017 he co-presented World's Busiest Cities with Anita Rani and Dan Snow. In 2019, Adepitan presented a new four-part series for BBC Two Africa with Ade Adepitan, traveling across Africa, from West Africa and city of his birth - Lagos in Nigeria - through Central and Eastern Africa and on to the deep south of the continent. In 2021 he was one of the BBC presenters for the Global Citizen Festival, a panellist with the BBC game show Blankety Blank and celebrity contestant of Catchphrase on 30 October, competing against his Paralympics co-presenter Clare Balding.

On 17 May 2023, Channel 4 commissioned a film in which Adepitan travels to Orania, a whites-only town in South Africa. The film was entitled Whites Only: Ade's Extremist Adventure, and it premiered on 18 March 2024.

Charity works
Adepitan does a lot of charity work, particularly supporting many charities to help other people with physical disabilities. He is a patron of Go Kids Go (formerly known as Association of Wheelchair Children). He is also a great supporter of the National Society for the Prevention of the Cruelty to Children Charity (NSPCC) and the WheelPower Charity. Adepitan travelled to Ghana in support of Comic Relief. He also participated in the Disabled Motoring UK Alps 2011 Challenge. Adepitan is also an Athlete Ambassador for Right to Play, the world's leading sport for development charity.

Awards
Adepitan was made a Member of the Order of the British Empire (MBE) for services to disability sport in 2005. He was also presented with an Honorary Doctorate from Loughborough University, in recognition of his outstanding services to, and performances in, disability sport. The same year, Adepitan was awarded a 'Certificate of Excellence' by the Champions Club UK in recognition not only of his efforts at promoting disability sport, but also for being a positive role model. He was particularly commended for his strong and persistent message of hope within the young black disabled community.

He was presented with the Lifetime Achievement award by the University of East London in 2010, and had an Honorary Doctorate conferred by the university in November 2010.

In 2020, Adepitan was included in the Powerlist of the 100 most influential Black British people.

Personal life
On 19 August 2018, Adepitan married Scottish singer Linda Harrison (who performs as Elle Exxe) in St Paul's Cathedral. They have a son, born 4 January 2021.

Adepitan is a keen football fan; he became a supporter of West Ham United as a young boy after attending the trophy parade for their 1980 FA Cup Final victory, and is a season ticket holder at the London Stadium.

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Eric Gibson

"King" Eric Gibson was a Bahamian musician and entrepreneur. He was also the semiofficial Ambassador of Bahamian Goodwill.

Gibson was born on the small island of Acklins to a musical family, although he did not pursue music until his adulthood. After leading several musical acts in the 1950s, Gibson formed King Eric & His Knights around 1957, which specialized in a modernized style of calypso music, a type of Caribbean folk music that received worldwide recognition when American singer Harry Belafonte released the album Calypso in 1956. King Eric & His Knights enjoyed immediate popularity among tourists in Nassau, almost certainly due to their performances of the Calypso folksongs made famous by Belafonte. The band regularly performed at nightclubs and hotels, where their records (often in high demand by both tourists and locals) could be purchased in the gift shop. In 1966, Gibson opened a recording studio to support other native Bahamian musicians.

While the lineup of the Knights continued to rotate, King Eric & His Knights remained a popular musical staple in Nassau, often headlining music festivals. In 1973, Gibson formed the "King & Knights Club", a nightclub that not only featured the band, but a variety show that included carnival-style entertainment such as fire juggling and limbo dancing. It was renamed "The Blue Note" in 2006.

King Eric & His Knights also enjoyed popularity outside of the Bahamas, touring in North America and Australia.

While the international appeal of calypso music has dwindled in recent times, Gibson remained a successful entertainer and businessman in Nassau. He was active in the regatta and maintained a successful racing sloop; he also owned an Italian-Bahamian restaurant.

Gibson and his common law wife, Brigitte Neven, were in Florida at the time of Anna Nicole Smith's death. They were invited guests of Anna Nicole, and were among the first to arrive when she began to exhibit signs of trouble.

Gibson died in Nassau, on December 28, 2013, aged 79.

Partial King Eric & His Knights discography

 * BAMA Hit Parade (1960)
 * Calypso Encores (with Ronnie Butler) (1962)
 * King Eric & His Knights at the Big Bamboo (1964)
 * Paging King Eric & His Knights (1964)
 * Checkmate (1966?)
 * All Time Favourites Calipsos [sic] (1966?)
 * Emerald Beach Plantation (1971)
 * Bahama Goombay Summer (1972)
 * Live at the King & Knights Club (1974?)
 * Island Boy (1978)

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User:Ukemike

UkeMike

I'm Mike Benefield. I'm a Registered Mechanical Engineer in the State of California, and a California Certified Asbestos Consultant. I also have California DHS Certification for Lead Inspector/Assessor and Project Monitor. I live in the SF Bay Area. I don't expect to be a major contributer, but when I feel my expertise warrants my involvment and the spirit grabs me, well, I'll pitch in.

Wikipedia is a great resource. The first anarchist encyclopedia!

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/تركمن

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was speedy DELETED. -Doc (?) 10:52, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

تركمن
Not notebale. In (I assume) Arabic. Doesn't really belong here. Seems just to be the same user entering the same stuff but removes it later on. If it is to be re-created, then I would put into a English translation. Kilo-Lima 20:32, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

This article should be marked for speedy deletion with the (empty) template. What are the guildelines on doing so for an article that's already been marked for non-speedy deletion? In this case I'm going to be bold and do it. Super Aardvark 20:54, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete User Yusup is creating what seems to be a series of vanity articles relating to himself and his periodical (apparently an Arabic-language one).   Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk   21:10, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bed of nails

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. H e rmione1980 23:53, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Bed of nails
Shaped like a bed, has nails - seems likely to be correct OK. Dictdef! Dl yo ns 493  Ta lk   20:33, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. It may be no more than a dictdef at the moment but there is much more to say. What's the history of this object? Who would use one? Not just fakirs but science demonstrators. Is it used for meditation, mortification of the flesh or just stunts? Principles which allow one to escape unharmed. Etc etc. Flapdragon 20:56, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Plenty of context, esp. with regards to physics and weight distribution. I'm surprised we didn't have something similar already.--inks T 20:59, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

 * keep Was almost speediable as a rephrase of the title, but I agree that the bed of nails is an encyclopedic topic. I expanded it into a proper stub, and would appreciate more help expanding. — brighterorange (talk) 21:11, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep the rewrite   Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk   21:17, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep, as it is an interesting encyclopedic article. Carioca 22:48, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Brighterorange's rewrite as interesting little article. Capitalistroadster 01:18, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong keep following excellent rewrite. BD2412  talk 04:56, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:Monolith2

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Your edit to The Acacia Strain
I removed the templates. I don't see how the article is written like an advertisement. Additionally, TAC are signed to a well known metal label, and have released multiple albums under the label. There is also many sources that back up notability. If you wish to re-add the templates, kindly leave me a message back on my talk page before you do so. Thanks  TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 21:36, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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Bienville National Forest

Bienville National Forest is a United States National Forest in central Mississippi, named for Jean-Baptiste Le Moyne de Bienville. It lies in parts of Scott, Smith, Jasper, and Newton counties and has an area of 178541 acre. The forest is headquartered in Jackson, as well as all six National Forests in Mississippi, with local ranger district offices located in Forest, Mississippi.

The forest lies within the Southeastern mixed forests ecoregion and supports mixed forests of pine and oak.

The upper courses of the Leaf and Strong Rivers flow through the forest. Recreational opportunities include camping, hiking, boating and fishing for species such as Bass, Bream, and Crappie, on Marathon Lake and Shongelo Lake.

There are three Wildlife Management Areas (WMA) within Bienville National Forest: Bienville WMA; Tallahalla WMA; and Caney Creek WMA. Each of these areas feature wildlife such as white-tailed deer, and wild turkey. Recent years have seen an influx of invasive wild pigs.

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Otherside

"Otherside" is a song by American rock band Red Hot Chili Peppers. It was released as the third single from their seventh studio album, Californication (1999), and confronts the battles addicts have with their prior addictions. The track was released in Australia, New Zealand, and Japan in 1999 and was given an international release in January of the following year.

The single was highly successful, peaking at number 14 on the US Billboard Hot 100, the fourth-highest peak for the band, and number one on the Billboard Alternative Songs chart, which was, at the time, the fifth for the band. The song remained at number one on this chart for 13 consecutive weeks, one of the longest runs at the top of that chart. It was also a big success in Iceland, where it became the second single from the album to reach number one, and in New Zealand, where it charted at number five.

"Otherside" refers to former band member Hillel Slovak, who died of a heroin overdose in 1988.

Music video
The video was directed by Jonathan Dayton and Valerie Faris in a black-and-white/monochrome Gothic style similar to Robert Wiene's The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, all influenced by German Expressionist art. Elements of Cubism and work by the graphic artist M. C. Escher are also seen in the video.

A cartoonish story line is juxtaposed upon the song; that of a young man's dream sequence. The band members appear dressed in black in unusual locations, with props intended to appear as surreal instruments. Throughout the video Anthony Kiedis with short, platinum hair is seen in a castle tower. His stage persona is different and quite dark when compared to his more energetic performances in other videos. John Frusciante plays a rope down a long corridor as if a guitar. Flea is hanging on high voltage wires and playing them as if they were a bass guitar, and Chad Smith is up on a tower with a rotating medieval clock that serves as his drum kit.

Jonathan Dayton: "We did look at Caligari, and we looked at a lot of German Expressionist film. But it was also very important to avoid 'Caligari.' It was both inspiration and something to work around, because it has such a strong, specific style, and there have been other videos that have completely ripped it off."

Valerie Faris: "We didn't look at 'Calagari' all that much, really. We did, but then we just left it. We did look at a lot of the works of the futurist artists from the '30s, and the illustrations of the surrealists and from cubism. We were inspired more by paintings than by films…"

Reception
"Otherside" is widely considered to be one of the band's best songs. In 2021, Kerrang ranked the song number five on their list of the 20 greatest Red Hot Chili Peppers songs, and in 2022, Rolling Stone ranked the song number six on their list of the 40 greatest Red Hot Chili Peppers songs.

Live performances
"Otherside" has remained a constant staple on the band's tours since 1999, making it one of their top ten most performed songs.

Remixes
In 2009, Seattle producer Ryan Lewis sampled the song as a backdrop for his song of the same name with the rapper Macklemore. The song depicted Macklemore's own personal struggles as well as the wider problems that the hip hop community has with drug abuse.

In 2010, house duo Third Party made an unofficial remix of the song. The remix garnered considerable attention, but was never released. It was made official and released by Warner Records in 2013.

In 2015 British DJ Paul Oakenfold released a Future House remix released also by Warner Records, another version was released by Italian DJ Benny Benassi alongside Oakenfold.

Track listings
CD single (2000)
 * 1) "Otherside" (album) – 4:16
 * 2) "How Strong" (previously unreleased)– 4:43

CD version 2 (2000)
 * 1) "Otherside" (album) – 4:16
 * 2) "My Lovely Man" (live) – 5:18
 * 3) "Around the World" (music video)

CD version 3 [Australian release] (2000)
 * 1) "Otherside" (album) – 4:16
 * 2) "How Strong" (previously unreleased) – 4:46
 * 3) "My Lovely Man" (live) – 5:18
 * 4) "Road Trippin'" (without strings) – 3:25
 * 5) "Scar Tissue" (music video)
 * 6) "Around the World" (music video)

CD version 4 (2000)
 * 1) "Otherside" (album) – 4:16
 * 2) "How Strong" (previously unreleased) – 4:43
 * 3) "My Lovely Man" (live) – 5:18
 * 4) "Road Trippin'" (without strings) – 3:25

CD version 5 (2000)
 * 1) "Otherside" (album) – 4:16
 * 2) "How Strong" (previously unreleased) – 4:43
 * 3) "Road Trippin'" (without strings) – 3:25
 * 4) "Otherside" (music video)

'''Cassette version [US] (1999)
 * 1) "Otherside" (album) - 4:16
 * 2) "How Strong" (previously unreleased) – 4:43

Personnel
Red Hot Chili Peppers
 * Anthony Kiedis – lead vocals
 * John Frusciante – guitar, backing vocals
 * Flea – bass
 * Chad Smith – drums, shaker, cowbell

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The B-Factory is a primary component of the BaBar experiment being conducted at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, in collaboration with Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory and Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, the purpose of which is to study the natural explanation for CP violation by the complex phase in the CKM matrix.

The B-Factory achieved its first collisions in July 1998, and the system went active in May 1999. It is powered by the PEP-II positron-electron linear collider. The accelerator is run asymmetrically, with the High Energy Ring, reusing the tunnel and dipole magnets of the old PEP machine, providing the electron beam at 9.0 GeV, and the comparitively new Low Energy Ring providing the positron beam at 3.1 GeV. Both rings use room temperature RF, with cooper cavities and waveguides. About 4 nanoseconds elapse between the head-on collisions of each bunch of particles.

Other resources

 * The BABAR Physics Book, the BABAR Collaboration, SLAC-R-504 (1998).
 * An Asymmetric B Factory Based on PEP, The Conceptual Design Report for PEP-II, LBL Pub 5303, SLAC-372 (1991).
 * BABAR Technical Design Report, the BABAR Collaboration, SLAC-R-95-457 (1995).

Category:Big Science Category:Particle physics facilities

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