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Pure Evil
Knight described him as "pure evil?" I don't care what your source is, that's from the show itself. Jerry describes him as pure evil. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.195.242 (talk) 15:30, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Fleas
"Since he is weasel-like, he tends to perform some annoying pranks like releasing fleas into the apartment complex, and assist other people to get back at Jerry (such as Jerry's barber)."

It's been a while, but I don't recall this as a prank...I think he had fleas, and was in Jerry's apartment for some reason, so the fleas spread there...it seems strange to think he would have deliberately released the fleas into the apartment complex since he was itching like crazy from them. Everyking 03:51, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Late for a response, I know, but no one else did and the sentece is still there. You are absloutly right and it should be removed. Ted87 22:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Is Newman's first name Craig or Paul? The introduction states that his first name is never mentioned, but was going to be Paul. The History section then starts with "Newman's first name is Craig." I am a somewhat avid fan of Seinfeld and have never seen any episodes in which Newman is referred to as Craig. blues_shuffle 23:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * His first name is Norman. I don't know the episode title, but it was at the end of that two-parter where the insane mechanic stole Jerry's car.  At the end, the farmer's shooting at Newman, his daughter's trying to stop him, then she's calling out to Newman, though addressing him as Norman.  First name, methinks. Feats-O-Strength 12:06, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Read the article: "In the episode "The Bottle Deposit, Part 2" a character (the farmer's daughter) shouts "Goodbye, Norman," but this was a mistake on the part of the actress (Karen Lynn Scott)." 05:04, 4 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matches10 (talk • contribs)

This article needs a SERIOUS rewrite.
Just my looking at it now;

 * "In an interview used on a special Seinfeld DVD bonus disc, Knight recounted an experience where, after a long series of unfortunate events throughout the day, a fan "had the nerve" to say to him, "Hello Newman," thus finally causing Wayne to release his anger on the fan."

 * "Unlike Kramer, Newman's first name is never mentioned"

Next paragraph;

 * "Newman's first name is never mentiond. [sic]"

 * "Because he is cunning and occasionally acts like a weasel, Jerry greets him with a sarcastic "Hello, Newman"."

Next paragraph;

 * "Since he is weasel-like, he tends to do some annoying things like attracting fleas to the apartment complex"

I get it, he's like a weasel. (Where did that adjective come from is it in the show?)

First paragraph;

 * "He was first mentioned in the original version of Season 2's "The Revenge," in which he was not seen on camera, but was voiced by Larry David. In the syndicated version, Wayne Knight dubbed the part. He was first seen in season 3's "The Suicide." "

Bottom paragraph;

 * "Newman was initially introduced as Kramer's pathetic suicidal friend in the second season, but he was never featured on-screen. Instead, he was voiced by the show's co-creator, Larry David. Knight didn't start playing him until the character's first physical appearance in the third season. In syndicated reruns of the first season episode, Knight's voice is dubbed over David's lines."

 * "Newman is also revealed to be a fantastic tennis player who uses the same Bruline racket as Mr. Pitt."

No explanation nor link for reader to establish who this random Mr Pitt is (I know, but I've seen every ep as most editors have no doubt)

Anyway, I know I could have started correcting all this in the time I've written it (that was stupid) but I did want to establish to all why I may have to hack the article to pieces! Thoughts? - Gl e n   TC (Stollery)  07:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Wasn't Newman's first name Norman? Morrling 22:59, 14 June 2007 (UTC)Morrling
 * It was- It IS! Why isn't this article called "Norman Newman"?  i don't know the episode title, but it was at the end of that two-parter where the insane mechanic stole Jerry's car, and Kramer and Newman are traveling in a mail truck to recycle bottles and cans for a bigger refund, and yadda yadda yadda, the farmer's shooting at Newman, his daughter's trying to stop him, then she's calling out to Newman, though addressing him as Norman.  First name, methinks.Feats-O-Strength 12:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Villain
Exactly how is Newman a villain? He doesn't seem different from anyone else. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

List of shows Newman appeared in
Newman also appeared in Season 7 Episode 16 - The Shower Head. Should be between The Seven and The Calzone.

I believe Ruth Cohen, playing the part of Ruthie Cohen -- the cashier at Monk's Cafe, appeared in more than twice that many episodes. She makes her first appearance in the role in Season 4, Episode 1 (The Trip, Part 1). She has her first speaking role in Season 7, Episode 10 (The Gum) -- where is just credited for the first time as Cashier, although in dialogue in the show, Jerry reveals her name as Ruthie Cohen. In that episode whe has several lines and is the only time she is seen outside of Monk's Cafe. She is credited in Season 8, Episode 1 (The Foundation) -- where she speaks two words and is credited as playing "Ruthie". She says one word in Season 9, Episode 5 (The Junk Mail)-- but is not credited.

Starting with season 4, she can be seen in almost every scene that takes place in Monk's Cafe. By some accounts, she was seen in 87 episodes, which would mean she appeared in twice the number of episodes that Newman was seen in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AntIsNowHere (talk • contribs) 23:22, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Last appearance
Given that Elaine’s article lists the 2016 SNL show as her last appearence, then Newman’s should be not the actual show’s Finalle II episode but the 2020 bit in Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee, with Jerry and George. Tuvalkin (talk) 03:42, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

 * Corrections:
 * That’s from 2014, see Comedians_in_Cars_Getting_Coffee
 * But there’s a 2020 Newman appearence in character, as said in the article itself. That would be the last.
 * Tuvalkin (talk) 03:59, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

 * ✅. In case the 2020 bit is deemed non-canon, then Newman's last appearance should be in 2014’s CiCgC-3, just like George’s. Tuvalkin (talk) 22:34, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Update to Newman's Rants - 'The Old Man' - "The mail never stops..."
I am referring to a quote towards the beginning of the section on Newman's job as a postal worker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.188.85.132 (talk) 10:40, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Newman's occupation is first revealed in The Old Man, where George, upon learning it, asks "Aren't [postal workers] the guys that always go crazy and come back with a gun and shoot everybody?" Newman's ominous reply is "Sometimes..."

This was one of my favourite rants by Newman. I am absolutely sure that Jerry then asks why and Newman rants something along the lines of:

"its because the mail never stops.It just keeps coming and coming and coming there's never a let up, it's relentless. Every day it piles up more and more and more and you gotta get it out but the more you get it out the more it keeps coming in! And then the bar code reader breaks! And then it's Publisher's Clearinghouse Day...!

Followed by Jerry "Alright! Alright! Alright!"

Anyone who finds a good reference for this to add it to the actual page please update this, I would love to see this where it belongs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.188.85.132 (talk) 10:38, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Continuity Issue in Character Development
Might be worth mentioning that in the episode "The Revenge", when the Newman character is introduced, he is introduced as unemployed; whereas for the rest of the show his character is a postal carrier who has worked at the Post Office for a long time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.77.96.242 (talk) 06:47, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

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José Ferrer Canales

Dr. José Ferrer Canales (September 18, 1913 – July 20, 2005) was an educator, writer and a pro-independence political activist.

Early years
Ferrer Canales was born in Santurce, Puerto Rico, into a poor working-class family. He was able to attend school, despite the economic hardships his family faced. He received his elementary education at the Pedro G. Goyco Elementary School and his secondary instruction at Román Baldorioty de Castro School in San Juan. He attended and graduated from the Central Superior High School. The situation was very difficult for him because after school he had to work in order to help support his family.

In 1934, Ferrer Canales enrolled in the University of Puerto Rico. During his university years he met and befriended Dr. Pedro Albizu Campos, leader of the Puerto Rican Nationalist Party. This led to his active participation in the pro-independence movement. In 1937, he earned his bachelor's degree in Arts, graduating magna cum laude. In 1944, Canales earned his master's degree in Arts with his thesis: "Enrique José Varona". He was influenced by the philosophic ideas of Varona, Eugenio María de Hostos and José Martí.

Educator
Ferrer Canales taught Spanish in a high school located in the town of Humacao from 1937 to 1943. After receiving his master's degree, he was hired as a Spanish professor at his alma mater. That same year the university also awarded him a grant to study Spanish and Latin American literature at Columbia University in New York City. In New York he was subject to racial discrimination however, that did not keep him from teaching Spanish at Hunter College.

In 1946, he returned to the island and was offered a position in the department of humanities at the University of Puerto Rico. He was fired in 1948, due to the political unrest spreading throughout Puerto Rico and his pro-independence activism.

Author
In 1949, he left the island and moved to the United States, where he taught in various universities in Louisiana, Texas, and Washington, D.C. Ferrer Canales went to Mexico and enrolled in the National Autonomous University of Mexico, where he earned his doctorate degree in letters in 1952 with his thesis: "Varona, escritor". In 1963, he returned to Puerto Rico, and the University of Puerto Rico once again opened their doors to him. He taught Spanish literature and political history. During this time he befriend Dr. Margot Arce de Vázquez who also served as an inspiration for his writings. He was invited as a quest speaker to many countries, among them the United States, Mexico, Cuba, Brazil, Canada, Ecuador, Peru, Venezuela, Spain, France, Hungary and England.

Written works
Among his works are:

 * "Marginalia"(1939)
 * "Por nuestra lengua y nuestra soberanía" (1941)
 * "Agonía y esperanza de Puerto Rico" (1962)
 * "Imagen de Varona" (1964)
 * "Regionalism and University" (1965)
 * "Acentos cívicos" (1972)
 * "Gandhi: evocación del centenario (1972)
 * "Asteriscos" (1990)
 * "Martí y Hostos" (1991)

Honors and recognitions
Ferrer Canales retired in 1983, however Puerto Rican anthropologist Ricardo Alegría convinced him to come out of retirement and to teach in the Center of Advanced Studies of Puerto Rico and the Caribbean. He also had a column in the daily newspaper El Nuevo Día. Ferrer Canales received many awards and recognitions during his lifetime, among them are the following:

 * Professor emeritus of the University of Puerto Rico (1983).
 * Honorary professor of the Humanities Faculty of the National Atonomus University Nacional of Santo Domingo (1987).
 * Honorary professor of the UPR specializing in Eugenio María de Hostos (1989–1990).
 * Journalist Prize from the Institute of Puerto Rican Culture (1990).
 * Honorary member of the Cuban Teachers Association (1992).
 * Member of the Puerto Rican Academy of the Spanish Language (1992).
 * Prize of Honor of the Puerto Rican Athenaeum (1994).
 * The National Cultural Medal bestowed on him by the Cuban Minister of Culture (1995).
 * Named Humanist of the Year by the Puerto Rican Humanities Foundation (1997).
 * The Second International Book Fair of Puerto Rico was dedicated to Canales (1998).

Final years
Ferrer Canales died on July 20, 2005, at the Teachers' Hospital in Hato Rey, Puerto Rico, at the age of 91 and was survived by his wife Ana Hilda Betancourt. He is buried in the Villa Palmeras Cemetery a.k.a. "Cementerio Municipal San Jose de Villa Palmeras" which is located in Avenida (Avenue) Eduardo Conde, Villa Palmeras, Santurce, San Juan, Puerto Rico.

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Argh! I saved it prematurely! I'm still working on this, thanx 68.39.174.238 03:53, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Any good?
OK, does this thing actually do any good? Unfortunately I can quite imagine that a few trolls would be delighted to get one of these slapped onto their user accounts. Maybe something less low key would be more appropriate? chowells 00:53, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not supposed to go on peoples pages, it's just a navigation template so vandalism-related pages can be easily linked. 68.39.174.238 20:31, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Layout questions
For a discussion about the edit link see the Tnavbar talk page. For issues like align=right (floating), colour scheme, width, and line breaks see the talk page, it's more or less the same problem for various "sidebar" templates. -- Omniplex 06:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Efforts to remove the Counter-Vandalism Unit from this template
There's no need to repeatedly remove the Counter-Vandalism Unit from this template. Listing of the CVU on this template does not confer "official recognition" or assert that the pages listed are "official process[es]", any more than the listing of Cleaning up vandalism gives it such a status. Rather, the listing is merely intended as a convenience to allow users to locate Wikipedia's only active anti-vandalism wikiproject. John254 04:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Cleaning up vandalism is an uncontroversial set of tools. The CVU is a highly controversial organization that, while it survived an MfD, also clearly showed in that Mfd that it did not have widespread support. To include it as part of a template that includes official processes and policies does confer it with a legitimacy that it does not have conensus for. Consensus to exist is not consensus to appear on a given page. Phil Sandifer 14:39, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

 * On the contrary, consensus for the Counter-Vandalism Unit to exist implies consensus for it to be allowed sufficient publicity for its continued existence. Removing the Counter-Vandalism Unit from this template will have the effect of eliminating almost all links to the CVU from any other page, thereby concealing its existence from almost all users who presently do not participate in it, and effectively destroying the CVU by attrition, as it would have no new members.  Essentially all wikiprojects have links from project or article talk pages to inform new users of their existence; eliminating nearly all the links to the CVU will produce the same result as its deletion.  Consequently, it is appropriate to place an MFD-like banner on the CVU to inform its members that it is being considered for effective deletion by attrition. John254 15:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Disinclination to delete does not constitute approval for all modes of publicity. I have no objection to a link to the CVU from Cleaning up Vandalism, or fromt he text or description of any page, because that allows for clarifications like "The CVU is an unofficial project committed to cleaning up vandalism." I object to putting it into a template because that does not facillitate the sort of clarification that the page requires. As for your MfD-like banner, the precedent this would set for our deletion procedures would be terribly destructive. Phil Sandifer 16:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

 * It's sufficient to state that the Counter-Vandalism Unit "is an Wikiproject committed to cleaning up vandalism." This should clarify that the CVU is no more "official" than any other WikiProject, such as Esperanza, without the specific disendorsement of being labeled an "unofficial project", which implies a lower status than other WikiProjects. Interestingly, Esperanza also recently survived a MFD nomination (though some subpages were subsequently deleted).  This trend of nominating popular, longstanding Wikiprojects for deletion is creating an enormous amount of unnecessary conflict, and really needs to be stopped. John254 18:02, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

 * If the CVU is a WikiProject, it should be moved to WikiProject Counter Vandalism Unit. Phil Sandifer 18:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Not all WikiProjects are prepended with the term "WikiProject" -- Esperanza isn't, for instance. Also, the link to the Counter-Vandalism Unit remained on this template without objection since it was added by Cool Cat in October 2005 until it was removed as a result of Drini's decision to speedily delete the CVU against consensus, based on the arguments for deletion offered by Bobby Boulders. Indeed, as seen in this version of the template, Phil Sandifer himself did not remove the Counter-Vandalism Unit when he edited Template:WikipediaVandalism.  Perhaps we should restore this portion of the  template to the revision as of 19:06, 28 October 2006, which Centrx created to remedy his concerns that the CVU could be seen as "somehow official". Alternatively, we could link the CVU as the Counter-Vandalism WikiProject. John254 19:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Snowspinner, you just complain, complain, complain. Since the formation you complained against CVU. You speedy deleted CVU logos... You campaigned against CVU all this time... You used every opportunity to remove it from existence. Get a new hobby, really. -- Cat out 20:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm not really sure how to respond, since you haven't actually responded to anything I've said. Phil Sandifer 03:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Let's keep this discussion civil. We're all here to work on our dear Wiki. In response to the above, I don't think the CVU nor Esperanza technically count as WikiProjects; I think they're Wikipedian organizations. I might be wrong on that, though. Still, I don't think that there's any confusion that the organizations in that category need to be official in any way.

 * As for this template, I could see where one might be confused for a moment and think that the CVU is official, considering that most of the links on it are official. Still, the section that it's in (resources) isn't really chalk-full of official pages. It seems to be more of just things to help out against vandalism, which the CVU certainly is. --Brad Beattie (talk) 07:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

IP WHOIS LOOKUP
Where this link goes??? wikipedia having any commercial promise with this website(the links given) --Jigesh (talk) 10:13, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I've removed the link from this template. There are many more all over wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LinkSearch&target=http%3A%2F%2Fdnsstuff.com&limit=500&offset=0 --thunderboltz(TALK) 07:58, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move per request.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:54, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Template:WikipediaVandalism → Template:Wikipedia vandalism — Per our long-standing, common convention to use proper casing and spacing in template names. --The Evil IP address (talk) 17:49, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Move. Natural language is better. --Bsherr (talk) 01:13, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Support move. Normal practice.--Kotniski (talk) 11:30, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Support move, obviously.--Enok (talk) 07:20, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Relisting CVU
So, with the merger of Vandalism studies and the CVU, I'd like to see if consensus has changed in regards to listing the CVU on this template. I've taken a strong interest in seeing the CVU become something that it wasn't, back when those MFDs were lobbied and it was removed from this template. Right now it looks like we're going to reorganize into 4 branches. The Think Tank (which will turn into a 'Village Pump' kind of place, to coordinate counter-vandalism), The Academy (to train new counter-vandals), Vandalism studies (to continue the work they've been doing), and the Task Force (though I'm not 100% sure what they do). Given our new focus on collaboration, education, and coordination, would it make sense to put a link to the CVU in the "Resources & assistance" section? Achowat (talk) 20:10, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Without objection, I'm going to Be Bold and add it. Achowat (talk) 00:09, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

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John Dickerson (journalist)

John Frederick Dickerson (born July 6, 1968) is an American journalist and a reporter for CBS News. His current assignment is anchoring “The Daily Report with John Dickerson” on the news division’s streaming network. His previous roles include 60 Minutes and CBS News' Election specials. Most recently, he was co-host of CBS This Morning along with Norah O'Donnell and Gayle King. He served as an interim anchor of the CBS Evening News until Norah O'Donnell took over in the summer of 2019. Previously he was the host of Face the Nation on CBS News, the political director of CBS News, chief Washington correspondent for CBS News, and a political columnist for Slate magazine. Before joining Slate, Dickerson covered politics at Time magazine for 12 years, serving the last four years as its White House correspondent, and he is also a fill-in and substitute anchor for CBS Mornings, CBS Evening News, and Face The Nation.

Early life
A native of Washington, D.C., Dickerson is the son of Claude Wyatt Dickerson and journalist Nancy Dickerson (née Hanschman; later Whitehead). He has three sisters and one brother. He grew up in McLean, Virginia, at Merrywood, a Georgian-style mansion high on a leafy bluff overlooking the Potomac River.

Dickerson graduated from Sidwell Friends School in 1987. During high school he had an internship in the office of John Warner, then a U.S. Senator from Virginia. He holds a degree in English with distinction from the University of Virginia.

Career
On Her Trail: My Mother, Nancy Dickerson, TV News' First Woman Star, Dickerson's book about his relationship with his late mother Nancy Dickerson Whitehead, a pioneering television newswoman, was published by Simon & Schuster in 2006. In a Washington Post review, staff writer Elsa Walsh called the book "riveting".

Before joining Slate, Dickerson covered politics at Time magazine for 12 years, serving the last four years as its White House correspondent.

Dickerson hosted Face the Nation three times in 2009 and was appointed Political Director of CBS News in November 2011. He appeared each Wednesday on The Al Franken Show on Air America Radio, until the show ended in 2007, and was also a frequent guest on NPR's Day to Day. He appears on PBS's Washington Week and the Slate Political Gabfest, a weekly podcast with David Plotz and Emily Bazelon. Dickerson is also the host of Whistlestop, a Slate podcast about presidential history.

Dickerson took over as host of Face the Nation on June 7, 2015. He served as host for 2 1/2 years until signing off on January 21, 2018. Shortly after this, Dickerson was named the new co-anchor of CBS This Morning.

He is the author of, most recently, The Hardest Job in the World: The American Presidency. Publishers Weekly described it as an “evenhanded and insightful look at the evolution of the American presidency.” He is also the author of Whistlestop: My Favorite Stories from Presidential Campaign History, published by Twelve, an imprint of Hachette Book Group, on August 2, 2016.

In November 2018, John Dickerson contributed a few educational videos to Khan Academy during the 2018 midterm elections.

On May 10, 2019, CBS News President Susan Zirinsky said that Dickerson would fill in for a week (week of May 13, 2019) on the CBS Evening News after then-anchor Jeff Glor stepped down. Glor was replaced by Norah O'Donnell on July 15, 2019. CBS News would use a rotating series of anchors to staff the broadcast until O'Donnell took over, Zirinsky said. On September 6, 2020, Dickerson substituted for Margaret Brennan on CBS' Face the Nation.

CIA leak case
Dickerson co-wrote a July 17, 2003, Time article, "A War on Wilson?", which attributed the leak of Valerie Plame's CIA identity to senior Bush administration officials. Writing for Slate in February 2006 ("Where's My Subpoena?"), Dickerson speculated about why Patrick Fitzgerald never called him as a grand jury witness for his "bit role" in the drama.

On January 29, 2007, during the trial of Scooter Libby, former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, testifying under an immunity agreement, named Dickerson as one of two reporters (the other was David Gregory of NBC) to whom he revealed that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA on July 11, 2003, during a Presidential visit to Niger, three days before her name was published by columnist Robert Novak. Another reporter, Tamara Lipper of Newsweek, reportedly walked away before he spoke of Plame. Dickerson has disputed Fleischer's account, claiming that Fleischer urged him to look into who sent Wilson but that he did not mention Plame's name or CIA identity. In a second trial dispatch on the matter, Dickerson revealed a previously undisclosed excerpt from his email that July afternoon which he said corroborated his account: "On background WH officials were dissing Wilson. They suggested he was sent on his mission by a low-level person at the agency." Neither Lipper nor Gregory has commented publicly about what Fleischer told them.

On January 31, 2007, former Time reporter Matthew Cooper testified that Dickerson's Africa sources contributed information to the article "A War on Wilson?" In addition to Ari Fleischer, Dickerson also spoke to White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett while in Africa.

Style
The Washington Post once wrote about his style of asking questions: "The master of the game is John Dickerson of Time magazine, who has knocked Bush off script so many times that his colleagues have coined a term for cleverly worded, seemingly harmless, but incisive questions: 'Dickersonian.

Dickerson (during April 13, 2004 press conference): "In the last campaign, you were asked a question about the biggest mistake you'd made in your life, and you used to like to joke that it was trading Sammy Sosa. You've looked back before 9/11 for what mistakes might have been made. After 9/11, what would your biggest mistake be, would you say, and what lessons have you learned from it?"

President Bush: "I wish you would have given me this written question ahead of time, so I could plan for it."

On February 29, 2008, Senator Hillary Clinton released a "red phone" television ad suggesting that her opponent, Senator Barack Obama, was unprepared to be President. On a conference call with Clinton staff, Dickerson asked, "What foreign policy moment would you point to in Hillary's career where she's been tested by crisis?" The question prompted—according to The Hotline—a "pregnant pause" so long "you could've knit a sweater in the time it took the usually verbose team of Mark Penn, Howard Wolfson and Lee Feinstein, Clinton's national security director, to find a cogent answer."

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'cherished tradition of eastern Christianity'
the first sentence of the history section is 'The preservation and development of human knowledge was a cherished tradition of the Eastern Christianity.[4]'. I dont think that the citation given for this sentence actually says this. The citation says: “It was in the Near and Middle East and North Africa that the old traditions of teaching and learning continued, and where Muslim scholars were carefully preserving ancient texts and knowledge of the ancient Greek language.”

So the citation refers to the continuation of 'old traditions of teaching and learning' without explicitly identifying those traditions with eastern Christianity. In fact the citation refers to 'ancient texts and knowledge of the ancient Greek language' and the citation is from a book on Pythagoras and his legacy (Pythagoras: His Lives and the Legacy of a Rational Universe by Kitty Ferguson) so I don't really get how someone got Eastern Christianity from this.

I think this first sentence should either be removed or changed to more accurately reflect the citation eg 'The preservation and development of human knowledge was a cherished tradition of the Greek thinking', because otherwise this sentence is just shifting credit for the House of Wisdom, a major intellectual centre of the Islamic golden age, to Christianity - which feels like POV pushing to me.

I'm gonna remove the sentence in the meantime because I think its misleading but feel free to replace/improve it if it can be more accurately reflect the reference as I think having a more general sentence before getting into the denser history makes the section read well. Best 212.56.121.8 (talk) 23:27, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Untitled
Could anyone expand on this, or point me to good sources for this sort of thing? Thanks!

ManicParroT 19:26, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

possible sources
Article] by Owen Gingerich --ragesoss 18:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Removed bit on Uzbek house of wisdom
I removed this:

 * The "Bite ul-Khikma" in Mawarannahr (Uzbekistan): In the 8th century the armies of the Arab caliph invaded Mawarannahr ('The Land Beyond River') south of the Amudarrya river and brought in Islam from Saudi Arabia (see Uzbekistan History). The House of Wisdom called Bite ul-Khikma, founded by an order of the caliphate ruler Mahmud, engaged in the great task to translate the books of Aristotle, Plato, Archimedes and other ancient Greek scientists and philosophers from classical Greek into Arabic. The Mawarannanahr's brilliant young scientists, Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi, Achmad Al-Fergani, Al-Marvazi, Javkhari, Marvarudi and others performed with distinction. This time in history is known as the Oriental Renaissance. At Khorezm a new research center was opened dedicated later to Khorezm-Shakh and it became the first Academy in Central Asia.

... because obviously, most of the text is referring to the Bayt al-Hikmah in Baghdad. I googled for something in Mawarannahr, but only founds info from copies of the wikipedia article. So I'll take it out until someone comes up with a better source for this. In the meanwhile, no info is better than wrong info. flammif e rtalk 03:46, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Abode or House? (or Adobe?)
A recent edit by user oneeyedboxer changed "house" to "adobe" throughout the article. I think that "abode" was the intended change.

While "House of Wisdom" seems the correct translation to me, we'll need a person with a thorough knowledge of Arabic to translate or make changes. Since the semantic difference between "House" and "Abode" is very slight, I think it ought to stay "House" until an expert deems otherwise.

"House of Wisdom" also sounds better. It's less pompous, more eloquent, easier to understand, and sounds grander. "Abode" is a vaguer term for "a place of residence," but it can also mean "a sojourn."

My two cents, Auranor (talk) 19:17, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

how many volumes?
The article mentions 'enormous quantities' of books in the House of Wisdom. Have any scholars provided a figure or an estimate of the actual number? This would be a nice addition to the article. KBurchfiel (talk) 03:04, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * A place to start would be to track down data about Ibn al-Nadim's Fihrist which was an index of Arabic language books. It's likely that all of these plus Greek, Persian, and Hindu books were in the House of Wisdom library. --Marc Kupper|talk 08:27, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

legends
There was NO such "Bait al Hikma" - those are alllll legends here.

Dimitri Gutas (an Arabist and Graekist scholar, Yale University)  meticuously researched that - only to point out that there are only 2 mentions (!) of such a "bait" and one is only very, very brief.

My friends - go and read literature first before writing legends as facts - a problem that haunts Wikipedia in this area espacially.

Try D. Gutas "Greek Thought, Arabic Culture" for a starter ...

Udix — Preceding unsigned comment added by Udix2 (talk • contribs) 10:17, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

 * I agree with you: the position of Dimitri Gutas is not represented in the article and it should, but it's not so easy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia made of non-original material and with a neutral point of view and in my opinion in this particular case it's very hard to balance different sources. I would like to contribute personally, but since I am not enough expert about the other argumentations about bayt al-hikma and I don't know which are the current academic positions, I will abstain. I hope somebody else, more informed than me, will do it. Nedanfor (talk) 12:58, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Thousands of sales per day?
Can we have a source for this claim?
 *  These shops doubled as bookshops, the largest of which, al-Nakim, sold thousands of books every day

It sounds very dubious, given that they would all need to have been copied by hand. Wardog (talk) 20:57, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Claim without citation
Hello, I am trying to improve this article. As it was asked before, does anyone know of a source for the claim that "The activities of the library was supported by a large number of stationery shops. These shops doubled as bookshops, the largest of which, al-Nakim, sold thousands of books every day"?

I wasn't able to find references to this. If no one knows where this comes from, I guess I will remove the sentence. Thanks! Maxisi (talk) 07:49, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

House of Wisdom of Ottoman times
The same institution was also found in Ottoman times for a similar purpose. I don't know much about it and don't have time for that know, but somebody can research and include it here. Thanks.  rinduzahid (talk) 23:01, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

stop saying "the first"
the first 'algorithm' could be argued to be Euclid's method of finding factors, or it could be alot of other things. the first mechanical calculating device... atinkythera, or maybe some old chinese stuff,, who knows. and on and on. its all open to debate and hangs on the definitions of phrases. most secondary sources in history books would not use phrases like 'the first'. but they realize that new old texts are found all the time and our view of the past changes over time. it would be far, far more encyclopedic to just leave the word 'first' out of these articles. just because something wasnt first doesnt mean it wasnt important or valuable. its basically POVism Decora (talk) 01:15, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of sourced text from a reliable source
This is the text that has been deleted twice.

=== Decline under Al-Mutawakkil === The House of Wisdom flourished under al-Ma'mun's successors al-Mu'tasim (r. 833–842) and his son al-Wathiq (r. 842 – 847), but considerably declined under the reign of al-Mutawakkil (r. 847–861). Although al Ma'mun, al Mu'tasim, and al Wathiq followed the sect of Mu'tazili, which supported mind-broadness and scientific inquiry, al-Mutawakkil endorsed a more literal interpretation of the Qur'an and Hadith. The caliph was not interested in science and moved away from rationalism, seeing the spread of Greek philosophy as anti-Islamic.

It's source is Jim Al-Khalili who with the removal of the above is still used about 26 times in the article. He doesn't suddenly become an unreliable source because an editor disagrees with him. The statements can be attributed to him and/or material arguing against him can be added to the article, but we shouldn't be removing it just because an editor disagrees. Doug Weller talk 18:00, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

From a Muslim viewpoint, this can easily be seen to be a POV issue. Mu'tazilism is a widely discredited doctrine in modern Islam, not least because of al-Ma'mun's notorious inquisition (mihna) against dissenters. His most famous victim was Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal, founder of the school of jurisprudence that bears his name, who was jailed and tortured for publicly disputing Mu'tazili doctrine concerning the origin of the Qur'an and the authority of the caliphate to decide matters of religion. The paragraph above paints a picture of free inquiry stifled by obscurantism, when in fact it was a conflict between scientific freedom on the one hand and religious freedom on the other. Perhaps the paragraph could be reworded to provide a more balanced view of Mu'tazilism and al-Mutawakkil's reasons for abandoning it? Or if al-Khalili's original is hopelessly POV, at least mark it as his opinion, rather than established fact. Texas Dervish (talk) 16:38, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Disputed
This article is full of myths about the Bayt al-Hikma which were disproven more than a decade ago. Modern historians do not believe that the Bayt al-Hikma was anything other than a library established by al-Mansur (not Harun al-Rashid!) and that it had no special relationship to the Translation Movement. The scholar whose work disproved the old myths was Dimitri Gutas in Greek Thought, Arabic Culture: The Graeco-Arabic Translation Movement in Baghdad and Early ‘Abbāsid Society (2nd-4th/8th-10th Centuries) London: Routledge, 1998. Gutas' position is accepted by modern scholars and appears as such in the New Cambridge History of Islam.

"The following of Iranian cultural patterns continued under Hārūn al-Rashīd (r. 170-93/786-809), who is credited with the establishment of the Bayt al-Hikma, often hailed as a scientific academy and the centre of the Graeco-Arabic translation movement. The data about this institution as reported in Arabic historical sources such as Abū Jafar Muhammad ibn Jarīr al-Tabarī’s (d. 311/923) Tarīkh (Annals), Ibn al-Nadīm’s Kitāb al-fihrist (Catalogue) and later books does not, however, support such an interpretation. These sources, enriched by poetry, suggest that the Bayt al-Hikma was a library where rare books on history, poetry and strange alphabets were collected and which was established when al-Mansūr structured the administration of his court and empire along the lines of Sasanian tradition."

- Sonja Brentjes with Robert G. Morrison, "The Sciences in Islamic societies," in The New Cambridge History of Islam, vol 4. (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2010), p. 569.

Notice how of the two main sources for this article (Al-Khalili and Lyons), neither is an actual professional historian. This is just shameful. Make sure you use proper sources written by actual experts when you write articles.

Chamboz (talk) 03:29, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

 * We should by all means reflect this perspective in the article. However, we should be careful to follow WP:NPOV and not treat a theory as obsolete without solid support for that in RSs. I'm not convinced that Gutas has convinced the field to the extent that you suggest. For example, Jonathan Lyons characterizes this as an active controversy in his 2014 entry on the topic in The Oxford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Science, and Technology in Islam:

The full scope and function of the Bayt al-Ḥikmah under the ʿAbbāsids remain controversial. Nothing has survived of ʿAbbāsid Baghdad, making any physical reconstruction of its structures and institutions impossible, while the literary record of the activities at the Bayt al-Ḥikmah is subject to wide interpretation. As a result, scholars are divided over the Bayt al-Ḥikmah, in particular over its role in the widespread translation of Greek, Syriac, and other learned traditions into Arabic and the remarkable rise of Islamic experimental science and philosophy that accompanied it.

 * With regard to your other tag, which sources do you consider not to be reliable? Please note that the criteria for reliability as defined in WP:V and WP:RS are quite broad and include works by non-specialists. Academic reputation enters into play in establishing due WP:WEIGHT. Eperoton (talk) 03:58, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

 * Jonathan Lyons is a sociologist, not a historian. Looking through his book's sources, I see that he includes nothing in any Middle Eastern language, only working with those texts which have been translated into English. This is a red flag. Someone who can't engage with the primary sources is inevitably going to be limited in their ability to accurately analyze the issues they're addressing. As for Jim Al-Khalili, he's also not a historian, but a scientist. It's highly problematic and dangerous to rely on such people when writing an article, especially with such bombastic titles as "How Arabic Science Saved Ancient Knowledge and Gave Us the Renaissance" and "How the Arabs Transformed Western Civilization." Such books have an obvious agenda and are naturally going to be attracted to the most liberal possible reading of their sources, rather than approaching them with the care expected from historians. It's not that books like this can't be good, but rather that they have a clear tendency to deviate from the scholarly approach. I would personally recommend never using such pop-history for an encyclopedia, but if they must be used, they should at least be limited to supplementing scholarly works. Using them as the backbone of the article is just wrong. Chamboz (talk) 04:33, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

 * Our goal here is doing the right thing, but our method is doing the policy-compliant thing. While I personally don't use pop-history books, they are classified as RSs if they come from mainstream publishers. Adding another perspective from better sources is easy, and I encourage you to be bold and do so. Removing an opinion from a weaker source is harder because it requires a rationale that is consistent with WP:NPOV ("representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic.") The fact that Lyons was commissioned to write the entry on Bayt al-Hikma for that OUP encyclopedia makes it difficult to argue that his view isn't "significant". Eperoton (talk) 15:13, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

 * Since you have access to the OUP encyclopedia, can you tell me if he cites any historians who disagree with Gutas, or does he simply say that there is a controversy without indicating who is taking part in it? Chamboz (talk) 15:21, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

 * I've emailed you the bibliography. I haven't looked into the literature on this subject (which is why I haven't touched this article except for some vandalism patrolling), but I'm not sure he gives any sources for the controversy. Just keep in mind that WP policy limits our ability to use the bibliographical apparatus of a source in due weight evaluation. This may be a nuisance for a professional historian like yourself, but you'll probably appreciate this provision after arguing with enough laymen who think that they can overrule RSs through their original research. Eperoton (talk) 15:40, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. Even if we can't take the bibliography as evidence, it's pretty clear that his opinion is in the minority nowadays. For instance here's a quote from Khaled El-Rouayheb, a historian of Islamic science:

"Even when Ljubovic does cite recent work in English, one sometimes suspects that he has not read the works carefully. For instance, he repeats the outdated idea that the caliph al-Ma'mun (r. 813-33) set up a "library-academy" called Bayt al-Hikma for translations into Arabic from Greek, Syriac, and Persian (p. 11). Here he adds a footnote referring to Dimitri Gutas's seminal work Greek Thought, Arabic Culture (London: Routledge, 1998), despite the fact that Gutas devotes considerable space in that work (pp. 53-60) to refuting the idea that al-Ma'mun set up a "library-academy" called Bayt al-Hikma."

Review of The Works in Logic by Bosniac Authors in Arabic by Amir Ljubovic. Journal of the American Oriental Society 129 (2009), 698.

 * That may well be the case, and we need to find phrasing that appropriately reflects majority and minority views based on the RSs we have at our disposal. To pick an example I'm better familiar with, I was comfortable writing that recent scholarship has disproved the notion of the "closing of the gate of ijtihad" after reviewing half a dozen standard references all of which stated something to that effect. Even so, I did mention both views, because that notion has been significant historically and remains so in some circles. When there's a disagreement between sources of the calibre of specialist encyclopedias by OUP (and I'm trying hard not to let my own opinion of Ibrahim Kalin who edited this one influence my assessment), I think a more conservative formulation is called for, unless we make the effort to do a thorough literature review. As I'm sure you know, scholars tend to overstate the level of acceptance of viewpoints they personally support. Eperoton (talk) 16:40, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

who created it ?
I changed to Rachid because the ref of Brentjes vol 4 doesn't contain her name there.. She wrote Rachid as also Balty Guesdon confirms it. More later

Here is the book https://books.google.com/books/about/The_New_Cambridge_History_of_Islam_Volum.html?id=bNeaBAAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y. I am Checking what she writes there.

Got it https://books.google.be/books/content?id=bNeaBAAAQBAJ&hl=nl&pg=PT833&img=1&zoom=3&sig=ACfU3U0vkg-HjuVkpNAQ7lxJ4rA5F1nrGQ&w=1280

The sources regarding al-Mansur are not reliable as stated. So we should stay with Rachid. Still need to add ref from Balty Guesdon that Rachid had it for "private" use. P 133. Up to some others to improve that part with good ref. (I cleaned up the several signatures to have a cleaner text) 2A02:A03F:1607:E100:7073:81F9:1696:B40B (talk) 16:55, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

 * Read the quote again. The New Cambridge History of Islam does say that it was established by al-Mansur.

"The following of Iranian cultural patterns continued under Hārūn al-Rashīd (r. 170-93/786-809), who is credited with the establishment of the Bayt al-Hikma, often hailed as a scientific academy and the centre of the Graeco-Arabic translation movement. The data about this institution as reported in Arabic historical sources such as Abū Jafar Muhammad ibn Jarīr al-Tabarī’s (d. 311/923) Tarīkh (Annals), Ibn al-Nadīm’s Kitāb al-fihrist (Catalogue) and later books does not, however, support such an interpretation. These sources, enriched by poetry, suggest that the Bayt al-Hikma was a library where rare books on history, poetry and strange alphabets were collected and which was established when al-Mansūr structured the administration of his court and empire along the lines of Sasanian tradition."

The idea that it was established by Harun al-Rashid (or that it even functioned the way historians had assumed until that point) was disproven by Dimitri Gutas in Greek Thought, Arabic Culture: The Graeco-Arabic Translation Movement in Baghdad and Early ‘Abbāsid Society (2nd-4th/8th-10th Centuries) London: Routledge, 1998. Relevant pages are 53-60. Chamboz (talk) 19:16, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

 * the article I quoted from Sonja Brentjes and Jürgen Renn is much more recent than Gutas, who is him outdated. They state as I mentioned on p 25 (did you at least check it before you reverted it?):
 * The acquisition of manuscripts from Byzantium continued during al-Mahdi’s reign as well as under his successor and son Harun al-Rashid. Harun al-Rashid is known as the founder of the first caliphal library, the khazinat al-hikma, according to Gutas also an institution conceived according to Sasanian precedence (Gutas 1998, pp. 53–60).

 * The khazinat was the beginning of the Bayt al Hikma for his own purposes.
 * Your reference is here https://books.google.be/books/content?id=bNeaBAAAQBAJ&hl=nl&pg=PT833&img=1&zoom=3&sig=ACfU3U0vkg-HjuVkpNAQ7lxJ4rA5F1nrGQ&w=1280 and is much older than "mine" I quoted. You can't state that it is outdated when it is from 2013 (https://www.topoi.org/publication/37407/) where your source is 15 (fiftheen) years older (1998). And Bentjes refutes the story about al-Mansur in 2013.

 * Also in "The Locales of Islamic Astronomical Instrumentation" of 2006 François Charette cites as a footnote:  "25. D. Gutas convincingly argued that this institution, far from being a "scientific academy", was in fact nothing more than an administrative palatial library of Sassanian inspiration where, under al-Ma'mün's reign, a few scholars such as al-Khwarizmï were also employed: see Gutas, Greek thought (ref. 8), 53-60." an, nothing about al-Mansur anymore, who is mentioned for a lot but not for that. QED. So I suggest you have a more in depth look into that matter an revert it again. 2A02:A03F:1607:E100:7073:81F9:1696:B40B (talk) 21:45, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * By the way, I fully agree that Jonathan Lyons is not a good source at all. We must stay with the real "guys": such as Gutas, Balty Guesdon, Bentjes & c°. May be check also with Charles Burnett of Warburg. I can email him as I can Brentjes. They both know me and probably they will respond. I want is as you so accurate possile with the latest "opinions" 2A02:A03F:1607:E100:7073:81F9:1696:B40B (talk) 21:52, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Charles Burnett after 2002 https://books.google.be/books/content?id=g46euaF7HAsC&hl=nl&pg=PA16&img=1&zoom=3&ots=7fmUUk71tW&sig=ACfU3U0AAsL-w2scmKa6hexEtOqK3I8RBQ&w=1280 in The New Westminster Dictionary of Church History: The early, medieval, and Reformation eras Voorkant Robert Benedetto, James O. Duke Westminster John Knox Press, 2008 - 691 pagina's 2A02:A03F:1607:E100:7073:81F9:1696:B40B (talk) 23:21, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

 * Gutas himself says Harun al Rachid in 2009. case closed! https://www.academia.edu/9575377/Bayt_al-hikma_Encyclopaedia_of_Islam_Three_2009-2_Gutas_and_van_Bladel Revert again! 2A02:A03F:1607:E100:7073:81F9:1696:B40B (talk) 23:35, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello,,  did you note this ? Txs   2A02:A03F:1607:E100:7073:81F9:1696:B40B (talk) 06:49, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Current status of 'House of Wisdom' page
This page is still a mess and I welcome any efforts to clean it up. The basic problem is that the main sources for the page (al-Khalili, Lyons) are popular books that retell the 'Rise-Decline' myth, and insist on treating the HoW as something like a modern research university. There are serious issues about whether the HoW existed at all, whether it was any more than a library for literature and poetry, whether any translation work was done there, and whether any work that would now be judged scientific was done or stored there (see in particular the book by Gutas (1998) 53-60, and Sonja Brentjes with Robert G. Morrison, "The Sciences in Islamic societies," in The New Cambridge History of Islam, vol 4. (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2010), p. 569, referenced above). There is now a brief indication of these problems in the introduction to the article and a section on 'Dispute', but the rest of the article largely spins the old triumphalist stories. The issue here is emphatically NOT whether figures like al-Kwarizmi and the Banu Musa did important scientific work -- they clearly did. But we do the real achievements of Islamic science a disservice by pressing them into later Western patterns (e.g. turning the HoW into a translation center and research institute), because when Islamic science clearly fails to conform to later Western standards (e.g. in NOT separating science and religion) it will be discounted as unscientific (see, for example, almost everything written on Islam by Toby Huff). The fundamental problem here is to separate what is actually known about the supposed HoW from later myth making and the imposition of Western ideals of science. Perhaps a rewrite should start by explaining those issues, using earlier drafts of the page as examples. Voxcanis (talk) 11:55, 9 May 2018
 * I agree that the article is still a mess, Voxcanis, and I'm all for your suggested changes. Is a rewrite a task that you would be up to yourself? I have expansions to several other articles I'm working on now, so not ready to tackle this article, but I would be happy to help with editing as time allows. Carlstak (talk) 17:41, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

 * This article https://thonyc.wordpress.com/2019/05/29/the-house-of-wisdom-is-a-myth/ also expresses the view that the "House of Wisdom" is mostly a myth, quoting sources stating "...The fact is that we have exceedingly little historical [emphasis in original] information about the bayt al-hikma. This in itself would indicate that it was not something grandiose or significant, and hence a minimalist interpretation would fit the historical record better."

Skepticalgiraffe (talk) 03:28, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

why
why often or always link the discovery of Muslims with Greece, Indian, chinese etc ? you have to prove in detail not only such claims. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shatree (talk • contribs) 18:07, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

It's a myth
https://thonyc.wordpress.com/2019/05/29/the-house-of-wisdom-is-a-myth/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.29.81.232 (talk) 08:51, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Two 'Kindi's?
Hello! I can't help but notice that the name of al-Kindi came twice in the list of notable people. The first one has an article attached to it, the second one doesn't. I checked the first one and it is same as the second one. So, I removed the second one. Ifteebd10 (talk) 08:40, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Non-encyclopedic tone
The subsection "Al-Ma'mun" contains a seemingly unprofessional tone and needs to be cleaned up---for example, it says virtually the same sentence twice in the same paragraph, that Al-Ma'mun would often prefer scientific texts as spoils of war over riches. Quahog-with-a-fiddle (talk) 16:04, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

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SWW

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 * Avenger Field (IATA airport code: SWW; ICAO airport code: KSWW) in Sweetwater, Texas, USA

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I Bet You Will

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Format
The host selected a participant from a seemingly random group gathered on a street, at the beach, or on a college campus. The M.C. (Master of Ceremonies) then presented the stunt and told the player how much money they would win if the dare was successfully completed. If the contestant rejected the amount of money, the host usually raised the bet. As soon as a bet was agreed upon, the player attempted the stunt. If successful, the contestant won the money. If unsuccessful, they won nothing except for what was collected in a "pity jar" by audience members watching.

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Gormanston

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Hello,
I hope you like Wikipedia. You'll get finnicky users that delete your stuff (and replace it with much lesser quality articles, afraid of change, or cruddy grammar). As far as logging out, I haven't logged out due to convenience. Good luck, like your contribs. Jedo1507r

Red River of Tennessee-Kentucky
Hi:

Sorry that it took me a while to get back with you – since I received my current employment I am of needs devoting less time to Wikipedia than when I was self-employed as I was when I took up the "Rivers of Tennessee" project as my own last summer. You certainly have my permission to merge your Red River with mine; not that you need it. It is problematic that there are two (at least) Red Rivers at least partially in Kentucky; I faced similar problems with the fact that there are two Piney Rivers in Tennessee and two Elk Rivers; this I "solved" by designating the Pineys as Piney River (East Tennessee) and Piney River (Middle Tennessee), and the two Elks as East Tennessee and (I think) Tennessee-Alabama; perhaps a poor choice as the East Tennessee Elk actually rises in North Carolina and its most famous feature, a large waterfall, is actually in that state (by about a half-mile), I think that in "inherited" the title for the Middle Tennessee / Alabama Elk as it is just a major expansion of a preexixting article IIRC.

Welcome to Wikipeida. In my experience there has been a dearth of editors with expertise/interest/experience in our area; if you want some more insights into Tennessee history and politics that are essentially my own, check out Tennessee State Constitution, John S. Wilder, James O. Naifeh, many of the articles in the governors of Tennessee series, and Clarksville's own Riley Darnell. Regards, Rlquall 12:21, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Howdy
Welcome to Wikipedia.

I wasn't trying to step on your toes with the changes to the Category:Nashville. Just FYI though, generally when you are creating a Category, it should always be a sub-category of another category (for instance, I made Category:Nashville a sub category of Category:Cities in Tennessee and Davidson County, Tennessee. Doing that will tie it into the larger Category structures and make it findable with just a few clicks from the main page.

Also, if you want to link to a category page (like I did above) just add a colon in front of the word "Category" like this: Category:Nashville. I thought you might like to know that for your user page where you listed the categories you created.

Kevin Rector 16:09, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information on the linking, as I was trying to figure out what I was doing wrong. Works just like photo links with the colon. Also thanks for making the categories link into each other. I wasn't thinking. Riffsyphon1024 18:42, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * No problem, that's the beauty of the Wikipedia, it's such a collaborative thing. I've been around a bit longer than you, so I have picked up a few "tricks of the trade" and I'm happy to pass them on. I tried to help find some articles related to Nashville. Here's another "trick of the trade": I went to google, then did an advanced search limiting my results to the en.wikipedia.org domain, and I was able to find quite a few Nashville related articles. That's a good way to find articles related to a particular topic. Another is to go to the Nashville, Tennessee article and click the "what links here" button. Kevin Rector 14:50, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yea, I noticed that Google can be used to search the site, as one time while searching for info to add to a article I was working on, I pulled up the very article on Google as the number one search. It got me nowhere trying to look for something that wasn't there. Lol. Riffsyphon1024 00:35, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Star Wars Articles
Sure, I can help you out with the Star Wars articles. I've got plenty of knowledge to contribute, although I'm going to have to get re-acquainted with the information, since I haven't been taking as much of an interest in Star Wars lately as I used to, but no matter there. bob rulz 06:11, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)

 * It's not right for Revenge of the Sith to be PG-13 since all other Star Wars movies are rated PG, i fear it could cause an unpopular controversy and i hope it doesn't have any cuss words and sexuality (including brief nudity) in it. - John-1107

 * That's not the reason for the rating. I sensed beheadings. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:58, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Well there's no beheadings, instead there will be Imperial clone stormtrooper execution squads of unknown, unseen Sith agents led by Darth Vader that will kill a lot of Jedi and Republic loyalist Imperial senators of the future Resistance/Rebel Alliance in cold blood. Even the young child Padawans of the Jedi Bear Clan cannot defeat them. - John-1107 8:16 P.M. 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Yea, if it seems reminicent of the Hitler dictatorship, then we have reason to raise the ratings. Still, I feel that someone will succumb to a beheading... -- Riffsyphon1024 02:25, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * How many Star Wars characters will get beheaded and who is going to get beheaded?

The story didn't say much of a Star Wars character getting beheaded. - John-1107
 * Oh, I can't tell you that. That would spoil the movie for you. However, I'll say this: beheadings are done by lightsabers nowadays. -- Riffsyphon1024 18:58, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I would consider General Grievous to be the predecessor of Darth Vader because
 * They were once organic beings.
 * They suffered injuries so they have to wear cyborg implants and armor with breathing mask helmets that conceal their entire bodies. - John-1107
 * There's not a connection there though. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:14, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well the historical origin section of the article about General Grievous states that when he was still a Kaleesh, the Confederacy and Darth Sidious had his shuttle crashed. They sent his body to Geonosis and had him rebuilt into a cyborg droid general meaning that the rare revolutionary technology of transforming an organic being into a cyborg (as in the case of Anakin Skywalker becoming Darth Vader) was developed during the Clone Wars and it started with Grievous. - John-1107 11:04 A.M. 12 March 2005 (UTC)

Everyking
The whole thing really picked up steam in late November, as I recall, with Everyking fending waves of successive editors until people had had enough. More detail than you can shake a stick at on Everyking's obsession and how far he's willing to go is available at
 * Requests_for_comment/Everyking
 * Requests_for_arbitration/Everyking

Note that the result of the RfAr was that he's not allowed to make ANY reverts to Ashlee Simpson-related articles (except for obvious vandalism). The ruling was effective Jan 24th; he reverted an Ashlee Simpson article 14 hours later and got the first of three 24-hour blocks he's received since for violating the ArbCom ruling.

Also toss in the fact that he has three times nominated the album article for Feature Article Candidate in as many months and you've got some notion of his monomania. The thing is, he's normally a good editor -- last time I checked, he had something on order of 20,000+ edits -- but there's this fanboy obsession with this pre-fab pop princess that's flushed much of his hard-earned reputation away.

If you want to see Everyking Ashlee-mania unplugged, check out the Ashlee Simpson Show article. This is an article that doesn't cry out for an editor's red pen, it cries out for a chainsaw. But I, for one, don't have the strength or interest in tackling it. Hell, I don't even have cable TV. --Calton 05:53, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * LOL, and a good thing too. Last time she sang at a big event (i.e. the Orange Bowl), she was boo'd. I saw it coming from a mile away, and IMO she can't sing. Not worth my time to obsess about. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:17, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

So when is Everyking going to stop reverting? Lord knows, given his history of the gaming the system every chance he gets if he doesn't get his way on Ashlee. He does avoid obvious violations of the rules, mostly, so if you were to revert October 24, it's doubtful he'd respond immediately -- at least, until one minute past the 3-reverts-per-24-hours limit. Of course, when someone added the bit about Ashlee's PR people astroturfing message forums to Ashlee Simpson, he immediately launched into reverting -- even though it was a guaranteed blocking offense.

In my personal opinion, reverting October 24, since it involves Ashlee Simpson, counts as a violation of his ArbCom restriction on reverting Ashlee Simpson-related articles, but admins are probably more conservative than I am on that score. If they weren't, I'm sure one of them would have blocked him by now. I suppose I ought to ask explicitly. --Calton 16:52, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * So why can't they just ban him indefinitely? -- Riffsyphon1024 18:39, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

"Why do people get so pissed at us?"
Yep, It's our cross to bear. :) RickK 06:49, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * I presume you're referring to my one way conversation with RickK.

 * I got pissed off with him, because a) he kept deleting everything I wrote, which was extremely irritating, b) wouldn't give an explanation (although he has begun to now).

 * There's a good few reasons... as many as you can think of probably. If RickK had behaved in a mature manner and actually discussed with me, well, who knows. Instead of defusing a situation, he actually inflamed it. Some people in the computer world lack social skills.

 * Well you got one thing right. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:12, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

?
Would you mind not being a bitch towards new users who don't have the hang of this whole thing yet?--Rentastrawberry 05:58, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry. But in being a loyal Wikipedian it is my duty to find substandard articles and present them to Vfd. If your articles are improved upon, then they may have a chance of survival. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:01, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Ever been to chiguata?
I noticed you did some "some wikification" to the article of Chiguata. Wondered if you been there? User:Dynamax
 * No, just the usual wikification cleanup procedures. Sounds like a nice place though. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:21, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Star Wars
You might want to take a look at Kyp Durron and see if you can merge it somewhere, may also be a copyvio--nixie 05:12, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Couldn't have been a copy-vio as there were numerous spelling errors in it. I wikifyed it, and I don't think it needs a merge, as there is enough information there to retain its status as an article. I will look for an image of Kyp to further enhance the article. -- Riffsyphon1024 05:50, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks--nixie 00:20, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for the invite Riffsyphon! I recently registered; I'll look around to see what I can add. --qrc 21:58, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)

GRider has listed a bunch of Star Wars stuff for deletion today, you might want to check it out--nixie 02:29, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notice. I will attempt to merge those articles he has submitted for deletion. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:41, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * Is he nuts? I just had to secure about 7 more articles under the gun. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:59, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * I think he's trying to make a point, but going the wrong way about it. I agree that many of these pages don't need articles and would be difficult to make into articles, but since the community has already decided that Star Wars is ok for wikipedia, the information shouldn't be deleted, it should be merged to an appropriate list/summary article, I think the Star Wars editors have been particularly effective at doing this. Keep up the good work. --nixie 04:30, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * While it occurs to me mabye it would be good to have wikiproject:star wars, so article that need clean-up, merging etc can be sent there, rather than vfd--nixie 04:41, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

More Star Wars
Here's one that GRider hasn't found yet, Barriss offee--nixie 06:22, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, someone else found it, and listed it here on vfd, where it's just passed into /Old. He helpfully only added the vfd notice to the article itself on 16:09, Mar 24, 2005.  Thought you might want to take a look at it. —Korath (Talk) 02:28, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)

Another new page Kelnobi for you, I think it's actually about Kenobi.--nixie 00:38, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * It has already been redirected to Obi-Wan Kenobi, no problem here, except I ask why people can't spell. -- Riffsyphon1024 00:51, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * This too, Obiwan Kelnobi--nixie 00:55, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Re: reverting vandalism
Don't mention it! We all have to look out for each other, too. — Knowledge Seeker দ (talk) 09:04, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Squyres image
Hi. I noticed that you tagged Image:Steven squyres backdrop.jpg as public domain. That seems suprising and unusual for a news company photo to me. Are you sure? Source, please? Wondering, -- Infrogmation 20:29, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * You can retag it if you need to. I'm still trying to understand what tags represent what, and there is nothing said of news companies. Sorry if PD is way off what it should be tagged. Also, I just realized that the article I made for Steven Squyres is a duplicate, with the other one being Steve Squyres. And I was so sure I had it. Damn. -- Riffsyphon1024 00:25, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, read up on Images and Image copyright tags. Things from commercial enterprises like news companies are generally copyrighted (and most of their web sites do have a copyright notice saying so). We might sometimes use such images under fair use, but free images are always better for us. NASA images are commonly public domain, so if we can find a good PD-USGov-NASA image of him, that would be preferable. Let me know if I might help answer some questions. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 00:44, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * P.S.: Good job of merging the articles! -- Infrogmation
 * I have posted his picture from the Cornell site, however it is used almost everywhere else. Other pics I've seen are from newssites and not much from NASA that's in good quality. I'll keep looking, if I have to replace this one. Hopefully, it's sufficient. -- Riffsyphon1024 01:43, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

VFD: Trade Federation PAC
I wish that this article be reinstated so that I may Transwiki it to Star Wars Wiki. The new wiki was created just days ago and I forgot about this article, as GRider had been submitting numerous Star Wars articles for deletion in the Great Lucascruft Purge. If this article can be recovered, I will put it in the new wiki. Your help will be appreciated. -- Riffsyphon1024 22:16, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've restored it temporarily. Let me know when you've got it.  dbenbenn | talk 22:53, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I have transwikied the article but since two larger articles on Wikipedia link to it, I have made it a redirect to Wikicities:c:StarWars:Trade Federation PAC. Is that fair to do? -- Riffsyphon1024 23:01, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay. I've deleted it again. Feel free to do whatever you want with the red link.  But I think a redirect offsite is considered a bad idea in general.  If you're willing, it would be good to start an article to hold all those short Star Wars vehicle stubs; then you could make a redirect there. dbenbenn | talk 02:04, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * There are is a list of vehicles. I can move the vehicles' articles themselves and then link from there to the SWW. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:25, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

Transwiking
Removing any article from Wikipedia requires the consensus of the community. Please stop unilaterally redirecting Star Wars articles off site. - SimonP 23:24, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * If these articles are to be deleted anyway, I am simply putting them where they need to be, as many members of the community have agreed on before. A Star Wars Wiki was needed because of the many articles regarding the subject could not stand on their own on this site. Deletion already happened for one article today which I had to ask to be reinstated temporarily so I could move that to Star Wars Wiki. Normally it would not have survived in Wikipedia. As for the ones that have been voted to keep or merge I have left those alone to see what happens. But I believe this action is justified. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:39, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * But none of there are going to be deleted. GRider nominates dozens of articles per day in an attempt to prove a point, but hardly any of them ever get deleted. - SimonP 23:45, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * But some like Order D6-66 would be deleted if not merged, however for the Star Wars Wiki, this article could reasonably hold up by itself as a stub there. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:49, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * It's fine to copy articles to the Star Wars wiki, but VfD results should be respected. If an article is to be merged it should be left as a redirect to where it was merged, not to an external site.  If the vote, as in this case, is to delete the article then it should be deleted. However, I am certain that if this article was ever rewritten as a stub or longer it would be kept. - SimonP 00:05, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * This Order D6-66 is only a stub as best, and because it is not of importance to the Wikipedia, only to the SWW, it would be deleted for sure. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:14, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

Hi there, I think the point is that it's not for you to decide unilaterally what is of importance to Wikipedia... Anyway never mind about that, I have merged a fair few of the articles (and thanks BTW for correcting my typos, there may be a few more around) (actually checking in MSWord "Subsidiaries" isn't a typo, but there probably are others) however I have to wait for consensus to emerge on some of them. Please don't let this put you off contributing SW stuff on Wikipedia, I'm sure once there are a few articles that group minor characters/planet etc then this will all blow over and the SW wiki and Wikipedia will co-exist peacefully :-) -- Lochaber 19:52, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Of course this won't do anything to prevent me from contributing new articles, but have you noticed how many there are that most people feel should be moved. When it comes to planets, there are dozens that could develop full articles, but to people outside the hardcore fans of Star Wars, they will appear unencyclopedic and they will Vfd them (refer to Rhen Var for an example of this). And so far the planet count is up to 234 on the list. No one would want all those planets floating around by themselves with articles on Wikipedia, but on SWW, ah, then it is most acceptable if that is to be the place for detailed info and new articles on minor things, irrevalent to the existing saga. All articles here that can stand on their own, will. But you wouldn't want an article on the Cowl Crucible here. Never heard of it? Exactly my point. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:27, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Well.... Maybe people wouldn't want a seperate article on the Cowl Crucible here, but they wouldn't object to it being included in some other SW article... and actually if it becomes a reasonably substantial article like Darth Traya or Tyvokka then people are more than likely happy to keep it... I think it also needs to be pointed out that when ppl like GRider and Radiant! nominate articles they don't always want them to be deleted - see the nomination for Tyvokka, GRider wanted it merged but when he saw that it was a bit substantial to merge he thought it was best to bring to discussion...
 * As far as the planet are concerned, a lot of the planets on Planets from Star Wars don't have anything written about them so no, one wouldn't want an article on them... personally I think of those articles like the ones in Minor characters in Star Wars as kind of holding areas, as you noted, if the entries get big enough then they can get de-merged however there's no point in de-merging something into a stub like Rhen Var. On the Star Wars Wiki, it's cool, they can create all the tiny articles they want, but here if things don't get expanded reasonably quickly they will be nominated, like stub articles on many other topics. Anyway see my further comments on SW planets on Votes_for_deletion/Rhen Var. I'm happy to trawl through the articles and merge/redirect them into other articles. -- Lochaber 10:07, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * As far as subsidiaries goes - I don't know what it sounds like when you pronounce it but it does sound like it has an i to me... Anyway I can't spell for sh!t so I always go with what MS word tells me! :-) -- Lochaber 10:07, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

More Star Wars - "Minor" articles
Hello again, I had previously posted in the Rhen Var Vfd that I was going to create articles called Minor planets for Star Wars and List of major planets of Star Wars, according to whether they had reasonably long articles or not. However then I noticed that you had previously merged all content from Minor races in Star Wars into List of Star Wars races. Anyway, the reason I wanted to split them out is that the articles can get very long if they are including everything, for example the list of races is at 59K which is already longer than recommended in Article size (32K is not really a technical limit as far as I'm aware but it's easier on the eye when articles are not so long). So I'm still going to go ahead with splitting the Planets article if you think that's fine, please don't merge them to create some kind of super article.

Anyway, I have some proposals on Talk:List of Star Wars races that I would like you to comment on if appropriate. -- Lochaber 11:53, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

GRider
Regarding GRider's 'Socratic' VfD nominations and the ensuing reactions by voters, please read and comment on Requests for comment/GRider2. Thanks. Radiant_* 10:29, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

Planets TOC
I like what you've done with the Table of Contents at Planets of Star Wars. This should have been the TOC used when the list started getting past 100 planets, however I was untrained in the ways of the Wiki. -- Riffsyphon1024 17:14, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'm not that trained in the ways of the Wiki either so there might be an even better way of doing it. I know there are a few other TOC templates around, I just picked that one b/c I thought it looked best out of the ones I saw. -- Lochaber 18:02, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I searched for them and found four. I used one of them for the planets article that was copied to Wookieepedia, and am in process of doing the same format to that. -- Riffsyphon1024 22:23, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)

Oh! Mr. Porter! VFD
Hi there--

Another user and I have done a rewrite of the Oh! Mr Porter! article in the hopes of making it worthy of keeping. I'm wondering if you'd take a look at the new article, and reconsider your vote to delete it. Thanks!

Best wishes, Jacobw 18:52, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me now. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:35, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

Bad Jokes? We ain't got no stinking Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense!
Hey Riffsyphon1024, Regarding Wikipedia talk:Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense, I would like to lobby you to change your vote from supporting
 * "Nonsense? Nonsense? We don't need no stinking bad jokes and other deleted nonsense!"

to supporting
 * "Bad Jokes? We ain't got no stinking Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense!"

The reason I make this request is that the title is a pun on the quote "Badges? We don't need no stinking badges!", and "Bad Jokes" is a much better pun on the word "Badges" than "nonsense" is. Thanks for your involvement in BJAODN! Kevyn 17:52, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Reverting vandalism
In the case of Fourvin's vandalism, I noticed there was no "Redirected from" message, and in that case, there were at least two ways of reverting. In that instance, I reverted from the recent changes page, choosing the diff link for the difference between the two versions, opened the last good version for editing, and then saved it. If you missed the edit on recent changes you could just go directly to the history page by entering your PAGE_TITLE, (in this case "User talk:Riffsyphon1024") like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PAGE_TITLE&action=history --Viriditas | Talk 10:10, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

User:JesusHadBetterBeInYourHeart
Question, do you think this person went after me because I reported their crimes on the Vandalism page? I know he/she left a message to give Him a chance, but with what that user did, I will say no. Zscout370 03:15, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I know that the first thing any vandal would do is exact revenge on those who reported them. A good thing to do in those cases is not make a link back to your pages when you sign your name. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:16, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * So I just type my name and that is it? If that is the case, then thank you. Zscout370 03:20, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Yea, and chances are, the person will then have to really Wiki-educated to find your pages. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:23, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

Apatite
Steven, are you sure that Image:Apatite.jpg is in public domain? What's its origin? -Diego UFCG 22:48, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, that was a while back and it was a Google image. I may not have known how to classify it, and hoped that it was fair use. Search for "apatite" and if you find that it violates a copyright law, then remove it. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:43, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * I found a identical image at . I doubt that there is the real source. I would upload it into Commons, therefore I mustn't yet. I had put the template:Unknown. -Diego UFCG 17:03, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Rlquall up for admin vote
One of the most prolific Tennessee Wikipedians, Rlquall, is currently being voted on for Adminship. If you'd like to support his nomination, cast a vote on the Request for adminship page. Thanks. Kaldari 19:35, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

GRider
Probably, but at least now we can prove that he knew. I figured it would be bad form to block him for editing deletion pages without a warning. Best wishes, Meelar (talk) 03:07, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

Town gas
Thanks for helping with Town gas Klonimus 11:09, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

problem user, copyrighted images
Thanks for the tip about User:Pazuzu413. If you can identify the source just put an on the image page, and list at Copyright problems. I'll look into his other uploads tomorrow. --Duk 04:13, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeh, finding the source is sometimes hard, I usually use google too. To make the url show in the copyvio box see Algolite for an example:,  (sorry, didn't type it right in the earlier comment). --Duk 04:42, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Star Wars wiki Invite
Thanks for the invitation. Though I must let you know that I am a relative newcomer to the Star Wars universe, however I have known about it for quite a long time.

I will try my best to contribute, starting next week .. (exam time...trying to stay away from "distractions"). LG-犬夜叉 19:43, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

Your "no life" stub
I thought it was funny, so I decided to improve on it a bit. I hope you like it. :) – ClockworkSoul 17:27, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Looks good. I also see you have too much time on your hands. -- Riffsyphon1024 22:46, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually no. I do, however, have a surplus of tasks to avoid. ;) – ClockworkSoul 00:15, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and another thing
Could you drop by Barnstar and award proposals? We're having trouble reaching a consensus on the Science and Mathematics star, and we were hoping that you might change your two (ahem ;) ) votes for the name to one of the front-runners? – ClockworkSoul 00:15, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Star Wars wikipedia
Greetings! I JUST discovered the Star Wars Wikipedia you started! I love it! I was the one responsible for the Naboo major rewrite on 11 Nov 04, when I myself just discovered the wikipedia. I didnt have an acct at first, then created one under Wildorchid- then forgot my access code, now am back as drachenfyre. I saw that there was a Star Wars Wikipedia through the SOE Galaxies forums: were you the one to post there? I am gald to see my contrabutions in Naboo and Corellia are going to good use.Drachenfyre
 * Hello, Drachenfyre. I was not around in November, but signed up for Wikipedia on Jan 5, 2005. Also I haven't been to the SOE Galaxies forums, so it must have been someone else, and I might have a good idea who. Also, I should let you know that I only was a co-founder. Credit for getting the wiki off the ground goes to WhiteBoy. I hope you do make good contributions at Wookieepedia. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:30, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

Riffsyphon, regarding the Toshi/Tosche Station, if you have a reference book that you think is valid, feel free to edit the Toshi station article as you see fit. My one reference was a webpage, and I'm not sure as to the validity of it. - Goldbot 12:38, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Mike Garcia's message
Hello, Riffsyphon1024. I just answered you at my talk page. -- Mike Garcia | talk 01:09, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Image:Eagle Nebula - NASA.jpg
Hi, I noticed you tagged this image with a NASA PD tag. I listed it on possibly unfree images because it's not a NASA image, but actually comes from this page. The NOAO terms of use seem to be incompatible with the GFDL. It's definitely not NASA PD, anyway, so I changed the tag back to PUI. Worldtraveller 08:18, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I did not see that. Too many assumptions on my part. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:51, May 4, 2005 (UTC)

Image copyright tags
Thanks for uploading Image:Sun crusher.jpg. I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use if you release it under the GFDL, or  if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much, BCKILLa 10:52, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
 * The image was from a Google search. It may or may not be under copyright, but if there are numerous copies floating around on the internet, then does that make it ? -- Riffsyphon1024 05:27, May 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Also technically, it is a redundant image as I found a better image for the article it was on, and was going to have it deleted anyway. -- Riffsyphon1024 05:32, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

BJAODN - The Curmudgeon Title Passes
Ha. And you thought I was difficult. I reluctantly cede my title of BJAODN First Curmudgeon to Proto. He even voted against my precious "Blueberry Island," but I don't mind. It's the curmudgeon demotion that stings. --Mothperson 12:52, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm lost, what are you referring to. I haven't been to BJAODN in a while. -- Riffsyphon1024 19:47, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Star Wars articles by user 68.4.91.67
I noticed that an anon user was creating a handful of Star Wars articles that all looked like possible copyvios but I could only find one (Fenn Shysa) on the web. That source material was itself apparently a transcript from some kind of print Star Wars encyclopedia which is where I suspect the other articles might be coming from. Anyway, I left a note for the user, but being an anon it's hard to say whether she/he will see it. I thought I'd look around for a Star Wars uh, afficionado like yourself who might know how to check this out. Any thoughts? --Lee Hunter 00:55, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh gee, I got so much catching up to do since I've been gone from Wikipedia and working on the Wookieepedia. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:32, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Neighborhoods of Nashville
If I were to start a small project involving the more "minor" neighborhoods of Nashville (i.e., Inglewood, Belleshire, Claylick, Joelton, Whites Creek, etc.) would you have any interest in helping with it? The bigger neighborhoods like Antioch, Bellevue, Donelson, Green Hills, and Hermitage already have articles. Do you even think this to be worth pursuing? I'm also asking some of the other Nashville contributors (Kaldari, Ichabod, Kevin Rector, RivGuySC what they think, FWIW. Thanks, Rlquall 03:24, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I might be interested, although I'd have to really cut back on my Wookieepedia contributions. I was just in Whites Creek this last weekend, and I think I can whip something up. How many other towns/neighborhoods do we need? -- Riffsyphon1024 03:47, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

Call to Action
Whereas, much good discussion and work has previously occured on the Barnstar and award proposal page,

Whereas, the level of discussion and progress on the abovementioned page has dropped to a record level of none; no constructive commments have been made on existing awards since May 17, 2005,

Whereas, many "Vote or Die!" have been left open, namely two, as a result of this lack of discussion,

Whereas, nine proposals lie untouched by Wikipedian hands,

Whereas, you have previously commented and helped on the abovementioned page,

Therefore, I, who have absolutely no command in ordering this whatsoever, instruct you,, to return to the barnstar commitment and further the creation of Wikipedian awards; vote liberally and spread your constructive comments.

(Signed) Cmd. Bratsche talk 5 pillars of the Barnstarium Army, 03:19, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Whereas, I needed to take a break for once, and whereas was working on another wiki. However I will return and see what I can do. -- Riffsyphon1024 09:30, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)

Vote for deletion alert
I see from the page history for Cut Ending to Knights of the Old Republic II that you once edited it. I thought you would like to know that there is a VfD on that page now at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Cut_Ending_to_Knights_of_the_Old_Republic_II. Please stop in there and comment on this vote! --maru 15:54, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sorry
Will revamp some of them soon.

SGCommand

Wookieepedia
Hmm, I like the sound of this Star Wars Wiki. I looked through it and I just think I might do it. Thanks for letting me know about it. bob rulz 23:50, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

Reply to Eh
Of course i am ok. my user page is not demented, but i'm trying to reduce the size of the page so it can still be preferable for me to print and show it to my friends. As the former anonymous user 206.255.32.51, can you still recognize me as John-1107? --John-1107 16:22, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Mind Benders
Hello! I've noticed your interest in creating logos, barnstars, or your past artistic ability! Thus, I just wanted to let you know that the pre-round, an artistic competition, is now open at Mind Benders (Shortcut: WP:MIND)! The competition is open to everyone and is seeking a logo/trophy, similar to Barnstars, to be placed on every winner's page. We urge you to help us out and submit an entry! Afterwards, the normal rounds, each consisting of ten or more fun, logical, brain-stimulating questions will open. Why don't you give it a try when it opens! Look forward to seeing your contribution. Thanks, Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 21:56, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Reply #2
I was redirecting my user pages because i needed a better name for me and my pages. I would go by many aliases/disguises in order to confuse and fool my opponents. You would call me the Master of Disguise of Wikipedia. If my aliases and redirects of my user pages confuse you, then i'm sorry - my apologies, please forgive me. --Ed Telerionus 20:33, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your Mind Benders entry
Thank you for your entry- looks good! Note that I have added information on the judging at WP:MIND. Judging will be an open vote (everyone with an account, including people who submitted entries, are eligible), and the vote will begin after the deadline for entries on July 16. Thank you once again! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 22:39, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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