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Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 October 15

October 15
====Category:Star Trek: TOS characters, Category:Star Trek: TOS episodes, Category:Star Trek: TNG characters, Category:Star Trek: TNG episodes, Category:Star Trek: DS9 characters, Category:Star Trek: DS9 episodes and Category:Star Trek: DS9 images====
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The result of the debate was Rename all. «» Who ? ¿ ? meta 04:26, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Rename to spell out the acronyms (to "the original series", "the next generation" and "deep space 9"). That would be clearer to people less knowledgeable about Star Trek. Radiant_ >|< 22:57, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Make it so. -The Tom 05:34, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Go for it. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ | Esperanza  14:32, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Access denied, but ... this should be consistent with naming conventions for Star Trek articles, episodes, and items; see WikiProject Star Trek & Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Star Trek.  Given the abundance of content and media, this will help to ensure that novice and expert Wikipedians use the same style/format for everything.  E Pluribus Anthony 21:55, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Make it so. --[[Image:Ottawa flag.png|20px]] Spinboy 18:32, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename all as per nom. - TexasAndroid 14:42, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Star Trek story lists

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The result of the debate was Merge. «» Who ? ¿ ? meta 04:23, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Permanently near-empty, it serves mainly as a placeholder for Category:Star Trek episode lists. Merge into there. Radiant_ >|< 22:57, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge as per nomination. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ | Esperanza  14:32, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge. No argument. siafu 17:48, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Star Wars substance

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The result of the debate was Delete. «» Who ? ¿ ? meta 04:21, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Redundant with better named "Category: Star Wars substances". Empty and waiting deletion  - Dr Haggis - Talk 22:33, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No argument. siafu 17:49, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Viennese

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The result of the debate was Delete. «» Who ? ¿ ? meta 04:21, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Empty duplicate of clearer category:Natives of Vienna. Delete CalJW 22:04, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. No argument. siafu 17:50, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge with categoryredirect notice. "Natives of" is unduly restrictive ("People from..." would be better), but I'm in favour of adjective use in nationality subcats unless its absolutely impossible (ie, the Democratic Republic of the Congo-type situation).  "Viennese" is quite easy to figure out, listed on Wikipedia, and analagous to Category:Liverpudlians or Category:Parisians. The Tom 20:01, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Reverse merge would be a very bad idea as it covers everything in Vienna. Viennese what? Why not put Viennese music in it? Bhoeble 23:29, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Heroic people

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The result of the debate was Delete. «» Who ? ¿ ? meta 04:20, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Marked for a speedy - but I can't see how it is (emptied by nom) --Doc (?) 20:55, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete POV --Doc (?) 20:55, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Can be speedied as we're not a bureaucracy and it's hopelessly POV, jguk 21:04, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Not eligible for speedy. We shouldn't make up new criteria for speedy deletion on a case by case basis. CalJW 22:03, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Encephalon 06:28, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * If we delete all the heroic people, will we be left with only cowards? delete.  «» Who ? ¿ ? meta  07:11, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Highly POV. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ | Esperanza  14:33, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete a nonsense idea. -- Ian ≡ talk 16:26, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Wizzy… ☎   20:09, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete definitely - tried reasoning with the originator of the cat so that he can put it for deletion, but failed. However, I appreciate his enthusiasm considering that he is young on Wikipedia but also wish that he displays more circumspection. --Gurubrahma 05:20, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:National parks by country

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The result of the debate was Keep. «» Who ? ¿ ? meta 04:18, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

There are no other subcategories in Category:National parks and I don't think there ever will be. Therefore "National parks by country" is just an extra thing to click through. Merge into Category:National parks and then delete CalJW 20:15, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Not to look spiteful, but this nomination made me realize that Category:National parks by establishment year might be a useful distinction to add to the 'pedia. On that note, I'll oppose, but in the politest of voices. -The Tom 01:07, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is very useful. Your new categories are actually organised by decade, which is not very precise, but slicing them up more doesn't seem like a useful project. Unless you can provide a good reason why lists would not be better for this purpose, I will nominate the categories for deletion. Lists will be quicker to navigate and unlike categories they can state the country and any other information which may seem essential. Also, the start you have made seems rather token, and I am not confident others will take to these categories with enthusiasm. CalJW 23:32, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Oppose. I agree with The Tom.  There is no harm done by leaving this alone for now.  Category:National parks also serves as a catch all for parks in countries that don't yet have a specific category.  Vegaswikian 06:55, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It woould serve as a catch all in exactly the same way if the deletion went ahead. CalJW 21:11, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I may be missing something, but I don't see how CalJW's suggestion is incompatible with The Tom's. If Category:National parks by country is deleted, all the "National parks of Country" cats will move into Category:National parks. Category:National parks by establishment year can be (and in fact, is) a subcat of Category:National parks. Is there a reason Category:National parks by country should exist, in this scheme? enceph  alon  07:13, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Both per The Tom, and also noting that there are, in fact, other articles in Category:National parks (e.g. National park), and could be others (e.g. articles on government agencies or laws specifically pertaining to national parks) and no reason to upmerge. siafu 17:57, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * National park is the lead article either way. Articles on government agencies and laws related to individual countries. I did not say that there are no other articles, but I do not believe that any other categories are required. CalJW 21:10, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Places in Malaysia

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The result of the debate was Delete. «» Who ? ¿ ? meta 04:09, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Non-standard and simply a semi-duplicate of the standard category:Geography of Malaysia. All the contents are in the geography category already. Delete CalJW 20:07, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No argument. siafu 18:13, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. *drew 03:04, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Municipalities in Syria

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The result of the debate was Delete. «» Who ? ¿ ? meta 04:09, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Empty after 7 weeks. There is no mention of municipalities in Syria or Geography of Syria. Delete CalJW 19:00, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nomination. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ | Esperanza  14:33, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No argument. siafu 18:15, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

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Subcats of Category:Aviation by country

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The result of the debate was No change to cats required. Naming conventions candidate. «» Who ? ¿ ? meta 04:08, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Add "Aviation in foo" as the convention for subcats of Category:Aviation by country to Naming conventions (categories). No renaming necessary. -- Rick Block (talk) 17:21, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Support, no objection. Christopher Parham (talk) 06:20, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

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Subcats of Category:Architecture by country

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The result of the debate was Rename. «» Who ? ¿ ? meta 04:06, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Convention at Naming conventions (categories) for these categories is currently specified as "Nationality x" format (22 of 29 are in this format). Rather than do these as speedy, I'm listing them here to confirm the convention. Alignment with this convention requires the following renames/merges. -- Rick Block (talk) 17:03, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Category:Architecture of Cambodia → Category:Cambodian architecture
 * Category:Architecture of Canada → Category:Canadian architecture
 * Category:Architecture of Denmark merge into Category:Danish architecture
 * Category:Architecture of France → Category:French architecture
 * Category:Architecture of New Zealand → Category:New Zealand architecture
 * Category:Architecture of Pakistan → Category:Pakistani architecture
 * Category:Architecture in Spain → Category:Spanish architecture

 * Rename all CalJW 19:03, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose --[[Image:Ottawa flag.png|20px]] Spinboy 22:42, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename, though the only thing I can think of it affecting are embassies. - SimonP 14:41, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Sorry, I know how painful it can be to find a consensus/standard on these sorts of things, but "French architecture" doesn't imply to me 'buildings in France', it implies to me 'buildings all over the world that were designed in the French style or by French architects'. The Statue of Liberty was designed by Eiffel - does that make it French architecture, or American? Same for Tokyo Tower, which is based on Eiffel's, just a different size and bright, gaudy red. Unless that's your intention, to have the categories be by style & school of architecture, not literal physical geography? LordAmeth 20:25, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Style and school does appear to be the intent...the physical location of buildings is covered by the "buildings and structures in..." category tree. These categories include both buildings in a style as well as the styles themselves, for instance, the article Hadrian's Wall under the Ancient Roman subcat of Italian architecture, despite it being in England. Christopher Parham (talk) 23:42, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Could this be under '(Ancient) Roman architecture' (style, or similar), not Italian per se, and still under Architecture in UK? E Pluribus Anthony 12:48, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. I should have realized that was the intent, and a most logical and useful intent it is. If I may, I should like to change my vote to Support. LordAmeth 00:54, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose all > propose Architecture in x (and perhaps consolidated with "Buildings and structures in x") – (should be) consistent with similar topics (e.g., History of Canada, et al.) E Pluribus Anthony 22:42, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It is not less consistent than those. There are many other categories in the "nationality X" form. CalJW 09:35, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps this is something to work on, then. That is not the point: architecture can be cleaved according to nationality, location, style (e.g., Beaux Arts or 'Beaux Arts architecture'), etc, all not mutually exclusive.  We should strive for consistency any which way (particularly if dealing with 'nationality') so that we (ultimately) don't have to contend with these sorts of changes/requests. :) E Pluribus Anthony 09:45, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename. Christopher Parham (talk) 23:42, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename. No argument. siafu 18:24, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename all, and also Rename Category:Architecture by country to Category:Architecture by nationality -The Tom 19:04, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

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Indigenous Australian categories

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The result of the debate was Rename all. «» Who ? ¿ ? meta 04:01, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

See the discussion at WP:AWNB. JPD 17:00, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
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 * Support rename.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 03:26, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Definitely. Rename. enceph  alon  06:48, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename as proposed. Note the last one technically changes the meaning of the category (from peoples to individuals), but tthat is how the category has been used anyway. --Scott Davis Talk 13:14, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It's probably worth making clear that the first change is also a change in meaning to the meaning already in use, which is more appropriate. JPD 09:28, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Rename -- Ian ≡ talk 16:28, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename, as per proposal.--cjllw | TALK  02:32, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename. No argument. siafu 18:25, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Chester City FC

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The result of the debate was Delete. «» Who ? ¿ ? meta 03:59, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Accidently created without realising there was both a Players and a Managers Category. Plus, I forgot to punctuate F.C.. smurray in chester (User), (Talk) 14:33, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. The standard form Category:Chester City F.C. already exists CalJW 19:02, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No argument. siafu 18:26, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:U.S. pro cycling to Category:Cycle racing in the United States

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The result of the debate was rename as per nomination --Kbdank71 15:40, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

For consistency with Category:Cycle racing by country and Category:American sports. Also, not all cycle racing is professional. Vclaw 13:55, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename (speedy per criteria #4). -- Rick Block (talk) 16:33, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename but not eligible for speedy. It could easily have been the case that there was a separate category for amateur cycling. Another example of abuse of rule4 and another reason why it should be abolished. CalJW 09:37, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom, but per #4 could be Category:Professional cycle racing in the United States. siafu 18:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename but use "bicycle road racing" / "road bicycling" instead. To avoid any collisions with motorcycles, BMX-cross, supercross, etc. 132.205.45.110 20:55, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment the category is not just for road bicycle racing. It also includes mountain bike racing, BMX racing, track cycling, tricycle racing etc, see Category:Cycle racing. I think it is clear that it refers to (mostly) pedal-powered (bi)cycles. If necessary cat:Road bicycle racing could be created as a sub cat of cat:cycle racing etc. --Vclaw 21:58, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Gay and lesbian culture

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The result of the debate was Delete. «» Who ? ¿ ? meta 03:58, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

There's probably an article on homosexual culture somewhere, do we really need a category on it? And is homophobia really an integral part of homosexual culture? Trip: The Light Fantastic 13:42, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * This is a duplicate category (see Category:LGBT culture), and wasn't really an appropriate addition to two of the three articles it was added to in the first place. And it was never filed as a subcategory of anything LGBT-related, which is the only reason it sat around for so long without anyone noticing. Consider it speedied. Bearcat 16:51, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Previously AFD'd articles

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The result of the debate was Delete. «» Who ? ¿ ? meta 03:48, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Apart from the fact that the name is not very good, this category serves little purpose other than as a needless element of bureaucracy, is severely incomplete, and serves as a rather poor substitute for the existing deletion logs. Delete. Radiant_ >|< 13:14, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Del. Hmm. A mainspace category that internally references a Wikipedia process. enceph  alon  06:46, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. How would we add articles that don't exist (have been deleted) anyway? siafu 18:31, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, by all means. Though I presume we would add the articles about those articles, not the articles themselves. Palmiro | Talk 17:39, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep: it contains the articles (well, actually the associated talk pages) which have survived a previous attempt at deletion and is therefore useful for later reference. It is automatically added as a side-effect of transcluding the appropriate notice following closure of an unsuccessful deletion attempt: see the category description for details. As for namespace, I was not aware that there was more than one Category namespace: maybe we should propose another namespace, with the same functionality, purely for holding non-main-namespace articles? Or would you prefer simply to rename it to emphasise that it is a maintenance category rather than an informational one? —Phil | Talk 13:09, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. If nothing else, this can only hold articles that were previously AfD'd and not deleted. It cannot ever serve its intended purpose and is redundant any number of ways with existing provisions. -Splash talk 02:03, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Mathematics theories

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The result of the debate was Delete. «» Who ? ¿ ? meta 03:47, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Too broad, so as to be basically useless, and bad grammar. Charles Matthews 12:26, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Seems to be a misunderstanding of the use of "Theory" in some article titles. JPD 17:06, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per JPD, but if kept would prefer "Theories in Mathematics", and would need clear description to avoid including general fields of study (e.g. Number Theory) instead of actual theories. siafu 18:35, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The distinction isn't clear. Just about anything in mathematics is a 'theory'; it's more a question of how you present an area, than anything else. Charles Matthews

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Category:Famous people

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The result of the debate was Delete. «» Who ? ¿ ? meta 03:46, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

 * For obvious reasons --Doc (?) 09:33, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, certainly. enceph  alon  09:44, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * So obvious it should be speedied, jguk 09:46, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete I would speedy it if it were allowed. Famous should not be used in article or category titles. ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  10:09, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Impossible to define or to draw the line between notable and famous. Shanes 10:11, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wizzy… ☎   11:20, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete ASAP -- Ian ≡ talk 16:24, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete definitely - tried reasoning with the originator of the cat so that he can put it for deletion, but failed. --Gurubrahma 05:17, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Unequivocally! E Pluribus Anthony 02:19, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Subway Stations in South Korea to Category:Seoul subway stations

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The result of the debate was Rename. «» Who ? ¿ ? meta 03:45, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

All stations there belong to Seoul Metropolitan Subway. Puzzlet Chung 03:45, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

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Category:Confectionery magnates

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The result of the debate was Reverse merge. «» Who ? ¿ ? meta 03:41, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Empty, more correct name at Category:Confectionary magnates. MeltBanana 00:58, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Reverse delete see Category:Confectionery and Confectionery. Both spelled the same as empty category.  ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  01:06, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename in light of TimPopes research. I guess I should have dug further. Thanks though, now I know the difference in the two names. Although it should be put on the category, so it doesn't come back later :) ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  13:45, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * OK - I'm confused. Tim's research supported your original reverse delete vote (as a magnate in "candies and other confections considered as a group") - so why'd you change it? Grutness...  wha?  00:31, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Because I need glasses, good ones. not the blue swirly ones I'm currenlty wearing :) «» Who ? ¿ ? meta  07:13, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Full ahead reverse as per Who. Grutness...  wha?  01:44, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Er well maybe, though many dictionaries distinguish between the two. MeltBanana  01:47, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree really, but we have to go with the spelling currently in use. ∞ Who ? ¿ ?  10:13, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Comment dictionary .com has
 * confectionary
 * 1) A confectioner's shop; a confectionery.
 * 2) Sweet preparations; confections.
 * 3) Obsolete. A confectioner.

 * confectionery
 * 1) Candies and other confections considered as a group.
 * 2) The skill or occupation of a confectioner.
 * 3) A confectioner's shop.

the latter seems closest to the meaning we seek --TimPope 10:46, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Reverse merge per Who, but I'm not really sure we really want to use the word "magnate". siafu 20:34, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

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Gleniffer Braes

Gleniffer Braes ("brae" being the Scots language word for the slope or brow of a hill) is a short range of hills and park area to the south of Paisley, Scotland which form the boundary of Renfrewshire and North Ayrshire.

Area
In the braes, is found the Robertson Country Park. The park is an upland area covering approximately 480 acres. It is mainly moorland but there is some woodland areas and hill farming areas. There is also woodland walk paths, streams and waterfalls, picnic areas, birdwatching sites and play equipment for children. Views of Paisley and the lower Clyde Valley to Ben Lomond are offered from the park, including from Robertson car park. The area is situated on the edge of the Clyde plateau lavas, a feature is Gleniffer gorge situated along the Tannahill walkway. It reaches approximately 50 feet deep in places and is eroded by the Gleniffer burn. Another feature is the Craigielinn waterfall in Glen park, where icicles are sometimes seen hanging in winter.

Wildlife
Cattle are used to control the vegetation and retain the wide open spaces within the park area. Birds that can be seen in the area include, skylarks, sparrowhawks, kestrels, goldcrests and chaffinches. Other animals include roe deer, woodmice, voles and tawny owls can be seen at night.

History
The park has associations with the 18th and 19th century weaver poets of Paisley. Robert Tannahill (1774-1810) and Hugh Macdonald (1817-1860) are commemorated by the Tannahill walkway and the Tannahill well, Macdonald's walks and the Bonnie wee well. The Lapwing lodge outdoor centre (formerly Peesweep) is situated on the braes. It was originally a sanatorium for Coats Mill workers and was built in 1910. The Red Cross and the Scouts used it for camping. It is now owned by the West Region Scout Council. There was also a pub called the Peesweep Inn. It was converted to a private house in 1925 and further since demolished. A major electrical substation is also here. It was expanded in 2005 and covers the site of the former WWII decoy ponds as well as a radio transmitter.

Standing stones
Two Menhirs are located on the top of the Gleniffer Braes. The stone described by the Canmore database as Stone A is 1.2metres high, 1.2metres wide and 0.9metres thick. The stone described as Stone B is 0.8metres high, 1.5metres long and 1.0metres wide. The stones are understood to have been placed in position during the time of the Druids.

Recreation
There are several miles of walking paths through woodland and moorland areas. Some of the paths lead to wider walking networks out with the park, including Brandy Burn way and the Fereneze Braes paths. There is also a ranger service from the local council who provide guided walks. Cyclists and horse riders also use the park. Picnicking, dog walking, children's playing equipment, bird watching and kite flying can also be undertaken at the park. Seasonal activities include Easter egg rolling and sledging.

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United States
The part about the United States doesn't make sense as the U.S. Census considers Spanish people (quite accurately) Hispanic. I don't know about you, but I do not know of a single person that would call a Spaniard "Anglo", I think it should be reworded, since it keeps referring to "Latin American" which is NOT what the word Hispanic means 2601:0:4180:7D1:B89F:DC46:78BF:18D1 (talk) 13:54, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

I might add here that from personal experience, historically in the greater US southwest, there was a three part division between "Indian", "Mexican", and "Anglo" with the result that anyone who wasn't in the first two categories was automatically an Anglo. For example, there used to be a monument on Mt. Palomar in San Diego to a Nate Harrison as the first "White" on the mountain. Mr. Harrison ran a toll road up the mountain and for a number of year the road was called "N***** Nate Grade", although it was more recently renamed "Nate Harrison Road". The point is that, although today this individual would be identified as "black" or "Afro/African America ", in the past he was considered as "white" or "Anglo". I would imagine that this usage arose at a time when there were few ndividuals who were not what we would consider today as one of the three categories and those few were English speakers, hence "Anglo". Today, of course, "Anglo" is more narrowly construed as more or less synonymous with "white", and would include those whose linguistic ancestry was other than English. Since I don't have any source for this other than my own experience, I just put this here. Wschart (talk) 16:01, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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Etymology
Saying "The word is derived from Anglia, the Latin name for England" is very misleading because the word "Anglo" is ultimately of Germanic origin and the first recorded use of the word in Latin is in Tactitus's Germania where he mentions the "Angles" as a Suebian tribe living near the Elbe. Bede agrees and says that the Angles came from a place called Angulus "which lies between the province of the Jutes and the Saxons."

So the word "Anglo" is NOT derived from the "Latin name for England" but from the tribe of the Angles or their homeland. H2ner (talk) 03:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

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Framtid i Nord

Framtid i Nord (Future in the North) is a local newspaper in northern Troms county, in Northern Norway. It focuses on local news from the municipalities of Kvænangen, Nordreisa, Lyngen, Skjervøy, Gáivuotna, and Storfjord. It is published three days a week and has a circulation of 5,294, of whom 4,413 are subscribers. The editor is Kjetil Martesønn Skog.

The newspaper is based in Nordreisa, and claims to be the only newspaper published from within the Arctic Circle. It is published by the company Framtid i nord avisdrift AS, which is in turn owned by Polaris Media (58.6%), Bladet Tromsø (21.0%), and Troms Folkeblad (20.4%).

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Mneumonic
How good is that? You need to remember exactly as much to use and unpackage it as you have to remember the innervations in the first place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.140.255.127 (talk) 20:41, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Merging "Muscles of orbit" and "Extraocular muscles"
"Muscles of the orbit" gets 467 Google hits; "Extraocular muscles" gets 105,000. AED 23:02, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Per the above, Extraocular muscles should not merge into Muscles of the orbit. "Extraocular muscles" is typically used to describe the six muscles that control the eye movements; however, the levator palpebrae superioris and superior tarsal muscle are literally "extraocular". I'll bring this up in WikiProject Ophthalmology. -AED 00:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand - does this mean "Extraocular muscles" refers to 6 and/or the 2 others you mentioned? 86.1.105.242 21:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I believe they are called "extraocular muscles," because the muscle itself is located outside of the eye, not because of where they attach/originate. There are muscles located inside of the eye as well - the dilatator pupillae, sphincter pupillae, ciliary muscles.  Those muscles might be called the intraocular muscles. Rytyho usa (talk) 21:37, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

I hope that any body answer me!!
Why is the method of examing the inferior and superior oblique muscles differs form their action? i.e. we exam the inferior oblique muscle by asking the patient to rotate his eye up and in, while its action is to rotate the eye ball so that the cornea looks up and laterally (out). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ammsenosy (talk • contribs) 08:01, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Picture on top
Have a look at what we did in the German Wikipedia. Move the mouse cursor over the picture and/or click. Maybe you want to adopt that. Anka Friedrich (talk) 11:34, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, that is great! Looks like we have only the image here, without the function revealing the name of each muscle as you scroll over the image.  I'll copy the code and see about getting that to work in English.  Thanks!  Rytyho usa (talk) 21:55, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

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Units
To the initial editors: I always thought it was Wikipedia policy to use both US and international SI units?! Please take care of using both international and US units in the future! The international SI units are the primary unit BTW.

Blurb for DYK
Did You Know

...the Ash Wednesday Storm of 1962, a major winter storm known as a Nor'easter, was one of the most destructive storms to ever impact the mid-Atlantic, killing 40 people and doing $1.3 billion in damage in six states?

 * This wording isn't clear to anyone outside the US. The "mid atlantic" means "the middle of the atlantic ocean" not "the middle of the US eastern seaboard".  Can I suggest wording like:

 * ...the Ash Wednesday Storm of 1962, a major winter storm known as a Nor'easter, was one of the most destructive storms to ever hit the United States' Atlantic seaboard, killing 40 people and doing $1.3 billion in damage in six states?

 * -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 23:26, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

 * That's what the fantastic little think known as a wikilink is. There's thousands of terms all across Wikipedia that most people don't know the meaning of. Therefore, we provide these so-called wikilinks so that they can find out about them. bob rulz 03:28, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Damage estimates
I discovered an unsually wide range of property damage estimates in the web sources. For the article, lacking better sources, I was forced to weasel terms to avoid stating something more specific. The sources vary widely from 250 million to 1.3 billion. Can anyone suggest how we may quantify this better? Vaoverland 07:58, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

I added a personal account from my father about Avalon NJ, which is about 20 minutes south of Atlantic City, NJ. First through 7th street was lost in that storm, it's now just water in the Inlet between Avalon and Sea Isle City User:SeanWDP
 * Thanks, Sean. I was only 10 years old, but recall it in Virginia as well. Awesome. Vaoverland 16:33, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I noticed a recent change of wording, "Contrary to Popular Belief" in the section about Avalon losing streets 1 through 7. Any comments on why this has been changed? I can get primary sources to clear this issue up. SeanWDP 20:29, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Found a written source, here SeanWDP 20:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I added the info about the misinformation about 1-6 street. They were not washed away.  My family owns a home on sixth street and have since 1961.  There were no homes or streets in front of them.  THe streets may have been washed away during a storm in 1938 but NOT I repeat not in '62.  It is thought that the streets 1-5th were an idea on a tax map that never materialized because of the relentless tide.  Way before the storm of '62.  Read Dave Coskey's book about avalon. It even includes pictures of 6th street without any streets before it.  And the pictures are circa 1920.  Please understand I am not trying to start a debate,  or ruffle any feathers it's just an ongoing joke with my family since we have had the home since before the great storm.  Sixth and Seventh streets are still there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Buttress (talk • contribs) 20:23, 11 February 2007 (UTC).

Additional Pictures
At some time during this week, I can possibly take some pictures for Avalon, probably a B&W of 1st through 7th streets, then a picture of that area today, can articles have multiple pictures? SeanWDP

Anyone seen these pictures? http://imgur.com/2SLXz — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.232.92 (talk) 06:06, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

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References or external links?
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Please cite sources
Thanks to everyone for their active participation on Wikipedia. I have noticed that some anonymous users have added a lot of insight to the article, but the information they've added seems to come from primary sources. I am very interested in the sources of these information. If your sources are not in written form (i.e. personal conversations with PMI employees), consider turning them into quotes or mention in the Source section that the info came from an interview (who, when, where, etc.). --Emana 22:02, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I am slapping myself for being so stupid. The source I had based the "Original design" section on has turned out to have been involved in a dispute with the parties within the article. Since I cannot find any reliable secondary source to back up the information given to me by the first source I have removed the section on "Original design". -- Emana 03:19, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Please remove photo of "Love One Another"
The JPG image of "Love One Another" (PreciousMomentsE1376LoveOneAnother.jpg) is being used without permission. Yes, the Wikimedia Commons description is correct in that it is a publicly available image at a certain URL, but as the Terms of Use on our site warns, the usage of the image outside of our site is prohibited. The person who used it may not have been aware of the Terms, as it is common for netizens to run an image search on Google and other search engines without actually visiting the sites. We'd love to help the Wikipedia project, but as a retailer, we cannot do that. Please take your own photographs, or contact Precious Moments, Inc. for permission to use one of their official images. -- PMshop.JP

 * Thank you for the heads up. I have removed the image from the article and have requested that it be removed from the Wikimeida Commons also.--Emana 19:14, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

The dark side of Precious Moments
Vandalism to this article has made me realize that there may be people out there that hate the lovey dovey theme of Precious Moments (although the original theme in the 1980s was much more solemn). That is okay. Please incorporate those thoughts into the article in a non-vicious and non-destructive way. Multiple views on the subject makes a robust and more convincing article. --Emana 01:19, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I shall do so. Smootsmoot 08:15, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I will be altering your entry a little so it is not attacking the consumers that buy Precious Moments products, but rather criticizing the products themselves. --Emana 08:31, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Photographes
Surely someone collects these things and has a digital camera so they could take a picture and upload it. It would really help the article if readers could see a picture with the charicaristic pastel colors and big sad eyes. ~ ONUnicorn (Talk / Contribs) 19:35, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Jessica Winstead has been kind enought to upload some photos. Removing the "reqphoto" tag. --Emana 23:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Added two pictures
I added two pictures. I have another picture but I'm not sure where I should include it in the article. It is this one: Image:PreciousMomentsBoy.jpg|thumb|right I took these myself of my mom's stuff, so you don't have to worry about copyright violations. Hope they help. -- Jessica Winstead 04:14, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It would help a lot if you could let us know the item number of this figurine. --Emana 07:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you Jessica! I should have put this on my watchlist when I added the reqphoto tag, then I'd have known it had pictures and wouldn't have taken this one of a bride and groom figurine.  Perhaps someone may want to work it into the article, though yours are better quality. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk 00:22, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Advertisement
Has this article been "polished up" by a writer of brochures for Precious Moments Inc.? "Precious Moments is a lifestyle brand..." is sales jargon that gives the source away. "Saccharine" and "cartoonish" are not words that would be permitted here, I suppose. The audience for these, as their design demonstrates, is distinctly the sentimental American lower middle class, ...but how would one document that fact? --Wetman 02:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Hi Wetman, thanks for your comment. "Lifestyle brand" is something of a marketing jargon that is popular in and around my area of expertise, so I didn't feel that it was that weird until you mentioned it. I wanted to say Precious Moments is NOT JUST FIGURINES. Do you have any ideas on how to say this in a professional but neutral manner? And no, "saccharine" is an adj. that may violate WP:NPOV, but "cartoonish" may be admissible depending on context, because the artist, Butcher, use to also draw cartoons. I agree the audience for these products are for the lower middle class Americans... but that is the same for most products on the market, as most Americans ARE in the lower middle class. -- Emana 16:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Please Mind the Gap
I will be deleting entries based on personal interviews and letters due to Wikipedia's policy on "no original research". Please try to refrain from adding or deleting content to this article while I do so. I will report back on this page. -- Emana 16:34, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I am now done with the gutting of the article for WP:NOR. I have deleted content that there were only primary sources and had no reliable third party references. I've also deleted facts that were "understood" but not backed up by any concrete evidence primary or not. I am guessing, more of the article should be gutted, as the sources referenced are actually commercially involved with Precious Moments, and those sources themselves are inherently biased. But as I weed out the sources, I've come to question the existence of the subject itself. It's like, if we stop talking about it, it ceases to exist. -- Emana 19:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Split section: Enesco
Now that Enesco no longer carries Precious Moments and they have re-established themselves in the market, I think it would be better to split the Enesco section into a new article. That way, new information can be added to the new article independent of Precious Moments. The old enesco section can be toned down a little and made compact. -- Emana 16:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Flanders
Regarding the Simpsons plot: I thought that the show was parodying Hummel figurines, e.g. "Humbleton" sounds like "Hummel." -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:30, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Precious Boys Club
I E-Mailed Customer Service and asked them to create a Precious Boys Club and have the series revolve around Nicola's little brother Bobby from the Precious Girls Club series. I asked them to have a lot of the same stuff as Precious Girls Club except for the Precious Boys Club to have a Non breakable Nickle Free Pin with Matthew 19:26 on it and to have the Precious Girls Club and the Precious Boys Club do some projects together. Happy Halloween. Sincerely, ChristianGirl2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChristianGirl2 (talk • contribs) 11:15, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Why no mention of the stylized children esthetic?
When people say Precious Moments they are generally referring to a visual esthetic which the company's own website attests to being the basis for the company's namesake. These images are fairly common throughout the US. And are often compared to different kinds of cartoons, especially anime, irrespective of knowledge of the company that produces them. In other words it seems like the page for Precious Moments should be more about this style of imagery. If not a history of it. At least a description of the phenomenon, or at the very least an image that isn't a building--184.21.215.174 (talk) 00:00, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * We already have an article about the aesthetic: Super deformed aka "chibi". It's the same reason we have separate articles about roly-poly toy (a generic term) and Weebles (a Hasbro brand). But to connect the two, we'd need a reliable source (and everything2 isn't reliable by a long shot). --Damian Yerrick (talk) 00:50, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

hello sunshine
I have a book in my hand right now titled "hello sunshine" illustrated by a Betsey Clark. © 1972 by hallmark cards, inc. Kansas city, Missouri. Library of congress catalog card number 76-145807. Standard book number 87529-198-8...... I cannot find any info about this book anywhere. The illustrations are nearly identical to the style of precious moments illustrations. I am unsure if this artist may or may not have anything to do with the path leading into precious moments or not. I personally do believe they did due to the similarities partrayed in the drawings. I can't find any info about the artist either as tho she never existed. If anyone base more info regarding this topic please by all means inform the public if this book is related to the idea or development of precious moments. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim raine163 (talk • contribs) 03:53, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I also own a copy of Hello, Sunshine! written by Barbara Kunz Loots and illustrated by Clark. Even the lettering looks like proto-Precious Moments. PROTIP: A 9-digit Standard Book Number can be converted to a 10-digit ISBN by adding a 0 in front, and Wikipedia's book sources list for ISBN 0875291988 links to plenty of info about this book. You might be able to dig up some sources that way. --Damian Yerrick (talk) 15:21, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

betsey clark and precious moments are not the same. Betsey Clarke is the woman who created the betsey clark collection of waifs: http://betseyzone.com/Resources.html you can contact the betseyzone and get more detailed information on your betsey clark collections. she started drawing children when she was nine years old. she signed with hallmark in 1962 and they distributed her work. Goebel&Co created porcelain figurines in 1973-74. she created for hallmark until she passed away in 1987.

i read elsewhere that the artist for precious moments is a man named sam butcher. he introduced precious moments in 1975 with figurines coming into the market in 1978. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Butcher

the characters look quite a bit alike but betsey's are different in regards to the hair; it is more whispy and moppet-like and her noses are more of a button nose; the clothing is more well-worn/patchwork play clothes whereas sam's drawings depict smoother, more styled hair and his noses are generally just a little domed curved line-weak upside down 'u' and the clothing is more 'proper'and dressed up. betsey's message seems to be more live a good life, love and be nice. sam's message is the same but is presented christian based.

List if Precious Moments pewter thimbles
List of all if Precious Moments pewter thimbles 184.15.58.253 (talk) 03:25, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Original
Please add in David Gordon, whose wife Sharon was the original artist of the "precious moments" characters. She made home made greeting cards for friends (my parents) and they would stay with my sisters and I when my parents would go away. 2600:1700:44C0:E640:2453:EAC5:255D:CA3 (talk) 13:22, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

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Ghost of Monkshood
clear vanity and totally non-notable band; Wikipedia is not to be used for advertising and gaining notarity Gator1 23:04, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete per nomination. - Gator1 23:04, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete--according to their website, they've never played any shows outside of Oklahoma City, and almost certainly fail WP:MUSIC. Meelar (talk) 18:32, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

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Chester railway station

Chester railway station is located in Newtown, Chester, England. Services are operated by Avanti West Coast, Merseyrail, Northern and Transport for Wales. From 1875 to 1969, the station was known as Chester General to distinguish it from Chester Northgate. The station's Italianate frontage was designed by the architect Francis Thompson.

Work on a £10 million regeneration scheme, the Chester Renaissance programme was completed in 2007; the development includes a new roof, improved customer facilities and improved access to the station. A plaque commemorating Thomas Brassey is installed on the wall opposite the booking office. The station marks one end of the Baker Way; this is a footpath leading to Delamere railway station.

Scheduled services from Chester station are operated by Avanti West Coast to London Euston and Holyhead; Merseyrail to Liverpool Central; Northern to Manchester Piccadilly and Leeds; and Transport for Wales to Liverpool Lime Street, Manchester Airport, Crewe, Birmingham New Street, Cardiff Central, Llandudno and Holyhead.

Background and construction
On 23 September 1840, the first station at Chester was opened by the Chester and Birkenhead Railway (CBR). One week later, on 1 October 1840, the Grand Junction Railway (GJR) opened a separate station. Neither station was open for long, due to the inconvenience of transferring goods and passengers between them. They were replaced by the new joint station at the junction between the CBR, GJR and Robert Stephenson's new Chester and Holyhead Railway (CHR) which started at the joint station. The station was designed by the architect Francis Thompson, and constructed by Thomas Brassey. The engineer C. H. Wild designed the train shed. Elements of the overall design were produced by other engineers, including Stephenson.

On 1 August 1847, construction of the station began, the foundation stone was laid by Brassey. It was built by a workforce of around 2,000 people, including bricklayers, stonemasons, carpenters, roofers, plumbers and other skilled and unskilled workers. On 1 August 1848, Chester Station was officially opened, exactly a year after construction began. The opening was met with great acclaim amongst the city's populace due to the wide range of destinations that could be reached for the first time.

The station building is built of Staffordshire blue brick and pale grey Storeton sandstone with slate roofs in the Italianate style. It has a 305-metre two-storey façade with a 15-bay central section and 5-bay lateral projecting pavilions, each of which have two towers. A large clock, manufactured by J. B. Joyce & Co on the front of the station was originally located centrally, but was moved to the western half of the facade following the construction of the Queen Hotel, which obscured it. The central section's middle seven bays contain carvings by sculptor John Thomas. Several carved wooden owls occupy locations in the roof beams above platform 4 to deter feral pigeons from roosting.

As first built, the station had a single through platform, a pair of bay platforms, and the main building. Early on, it became highly trafficked, partially due to its position as a junction between multiple lines and railway companies. In its first few decades of opening, it was expanded via the construction of sidings, warehouses, signalboxes and two motive power depots to service steam locomotives that belonged to different railway companies. To accommodate the increasing number of passengers and freight in the 1860s and 1870s, the station was extended again. Two island platforms, two bay platforms, and additional facilities connected via a footbridge to the existing station were completed by 1890.

Operations
From its opening on 1 August 1848, Chester was a joint station used by the Chester and Holyhead, Grand Junction, the Shrewsbury and Chester Railway and the Chester and Birkenhead Railways. The C&HR and GJR merged with other companies to form the London and North Western Railway (LNWR). In 1850 the Birkenhead, Lancashire and Cheshire Junction Railway built a line from Chester to near Warrington, later absorbing the C&BR. The S&CR was later merged with others into the Great Western Railway (GWR). The LNWR and the GWR later acquired the BL&CJR jointly.

Chester Station was served by GWR express passenger trains (and subsequently by the Western Region of British Railways) from Birkenhead Woodside via Chester, Wrexham, Ruabon, Gobowen, Shrewsbury, Wellington (Shropshire), Wolverhampton, Birmingham Snow Hill, Leamington Spa and Banbury to London Paddington until 4 March 1967. The final service, a special The Zulu, was hauled by 7029 Clun Castle.

During 1875, Chester Northgate railway station was opened by the Cheshire Lines Committee. To prevent confusion between the stations, the older station was renamed "Chester General". In 1969, as a result of the Beeching cuts, Chester Northgate was closed and Chester General reverted to Chester.

Peak activity was during the Edwardian era when more than 200 trains called at the station daily and more than one hundred staff were employed. Large quantities of freight were also moved, including the Royal Mail's letters and parcels business. Special excursion trains were laid on for Chester Races. During the First World War, troop trains used the station when moving military personnel from training camps in North Wales to the Western Front.

During the interwar period, the station was busy, only slightly affected by the rise of road transportation. Trams, and later buses linked the station to the city and its suburbs. During the Second World War, the station saw a high volume of traffic, including trains hauling ammunition. It survived the conflict unscathed, sustaining no direct hits but to mitigate against aerial attacks, a concrete bunker was built to house signalling equipment.

In January 2016, according to the Office of Rail and Road, passenger numbers doubled over the previous ten years, making Chester the eighth-busiest station in the North-West region. The rise was attributed to new services, such as direct trains to London and increased frequencies on the Merseyrail network.

Starting in 2005, the station was restored in the Chester Renaissance Project. Improvements made by Network Rail included groundworks around the east end frontage and repairs to the façade's east and west wings, renewal of the roof's glazing, enhancements to the train shed and other general improvements. Improved local traffic management and access to the station was achieved by alterations to Station Square which were completed in December 2007. Architectural lighting was installed in strategic areas and a new concourse was opened by Arriva Trains Wales in October 2008. Between 2009 and 2010, improvements included a second staircase to access the island platform, structural repairs to platforms, restoration of the overbridge and work to enhance the station's frontage.

The station is recorded in the National Heritage List for England as a Grade II* listed building. It is one of 22 Grade I or II* listed railway stations in England. A plaque commemorating Thomas Brassey was installed on the wall opposite the booking office. Brassey was born at Buerton 6 mi south of Chester.

Extensions and redoubling initiatives
In 1993, an extension to the Wirral Line received third rail electrification on existing track and Chester became its terminus. Its trains use Platform 7 the only one with access to the third rail. The line provides frequent rapid access to the Wirral, Birkenhead and all four underground stations in central Liverpool. The historic Chester and Birkenhead Railway, the first railway to serve Chester, became a part of Merseyrail's Wirral Line.

In April 2017, Network Rail and contractors completed the redoubling of the Wrexham to Chester line enabling increased line speeds up to 90 mph on certain sections. When the work was completed, there were no plans to increase speeds or introduce new services until late 2017 at the earliest.

Halton Curve reopening
In 2014, George Osborne announced funding to finance the Halton Curve's redevelopment to permit services between Liverpool and North Wales via Liverpool South Parkway and Chester. The 30-year plan for the curve included connections to South Wales. The services started running in May 2019 and now provide Chester with a direct link to Liverpool Airport and an alternative route to central Liverpool.

Stationmasters

 * William Paget ca. 1847
 * Mr. Jones ca. 1849
 * John Critchley ca. 1850–1855 (afterwards superintendent of the Oxford, Worcester and Wolverhampton Railway)
 * Charles Mills ca. 1859–1872
 * David Meldrum 1872–1882
 * W. Thorne 1882 –1890 (formerly station master at Hereford Barrs Court)
 * John Thomas Reddish 1890–1902
 * W.G. Marrs 1903–1909
 * John Ratcliffe 1910 –1926
 * Robert McNaught 1926 –1932
 * Lewis Evans 1932 1934
 * A.E. Mawson 1934 –1942 (formerly station master at Woodside)
 * John Moore 1943–1950 (formerly station master at Birkenhead Dock)
 * Percy Jackson 1950 –1955
 * Eric L Thompson 1955 –1963 (formerly station master at Bedford)
 * Kenneth Conyers Winterton 1963–1964
 * Mr. Mapstone ca. 1967 ca. 1969

Services

Platform 1
 * 1 train per hour (tph) operated by Transport for Wales to Crewe, which gives a near half-hourly (xx.35 Avanti & xx.55 TfW) service, in conjunction with Avanti West Coast's service.

Platform 3
 * 1tph operated by Transport for Wales to Llandudno, via Llandudno Junction.
 * 1tph operated by Transport for Wales to Holyhead, via Bangor.
 * 1tph operated by Transport for Wales to Wrexham General and Shrewsbury of which one every two hours continues to Cardiff Central and one every two hours continues to Birmingham International.
 * Y Gerallt Gymro, a Monday to Friday daily limited-stop express north to Holyhead, operated by Transport for Wales.
 * Certain trains from London Euston, operated by Avanti West Coast, continue to Bangor and Holyhead}; 1 train per weekday continues to Wrexham General.
 * Occasional services from Crewe operated by Avanti West Coast and terminating at Chester, Holyhead or Bangor.

Platform 4
 * 1tph operated by Avanti West Coast to London Euston, via Crewe and Milton Keynes Central.
 * 1tph operated by Transport for Wales to Manchester Airport, via Warrington Bank Quay.
 * 1tph operated by Transport for Wales to Liverpool Lime Street, via Runcorn, using the Halton Curve.
 * Y Gerallt Gymro, a Monday to Friday daily limited-stop express south to Cardiff Central, operated by Transport for Wales.
 * Occasional services to Crewe, operated by Avanti West Coast, starting at Chester, Holyhead or Bangor.

Platforms 5/6
 * 1tph on the Mid-Cheshire Line to Manchester Piccadilly and Stockport, via Northwich, operated by Northern Trains. A two-hourly service operates on Sundays.
 * 1tph to Leeds via Warrington Bank Quay, Manchester Victoria and Bradford Interchange (except Sundays) operated by Northern.

Platform 7
 * 4tph operated by Merseyrail to the Liverpool Central Loop via Birkenhead during peak times on weekdays and Saturdays. On late evenings and Sundays, the frequency is every 30 minutes. Merseyrail services to Birkenhead and Liverpool use platform 7b or 7a; platform 7 is the only third-rail equipped platform. These services are provided by Class 507 and Class 777 EMUs.

Northern Franchise Requirements
Under the Northern franchise, Arriva Rail North (branded 'Northern') must fulfil the following requirements:

 * From December 2017, an extra hourly train from Chester to Leeds, via Warrington Bank Quay, Newton-le-Willows, Manchester Victoria and then either Dewsbury or Bradford (via the Calder Valley) operated by new 100 mph diesel trains from 2019.
 * On the Manchester Piccadilly to Chester via Northwich line, Sunday services will operate hourly in both directions (up from two hourly).
 * The franchise requires the removal and replacement of all Pacer trains by 2020.

The Chester to Leeds route via Manchester Victoria was finally introduced on 20 May 2019, eighteen months later than initially planned.

Layout and facilities
The station has seven platforms. Platform 1 is a bay platform located at the east end (a second one alongside it is no longer utilised for passenger traffic but can be used for stock stabling). Platform 2 at the western end is another bay platform. Platform 3 is a through bi-directional platform and is closest to the concourse; it is split into sections 3a and 3b although on occasions a train will use the middle of the platform.

Over the bridge – or by way of lifts – is the island platform. Opposite Platform 3 is Platform 4, another through bi-directional platform, with sections designated as 4a and 4b. There are two east facing bays (Platforms 5 and 6). Platform 7 is an additional through platform, the only one with third-rail electrification; it is split into 'a' (eastern) and 'b' (western) sections and thus capable of accommodating two trains at once.

The station has a booking office and is staffed 15 minutes before and after the first and last train. There is a payphone, vending machine, booking office and live departure and arrival screens, for passenger information. The station has lifts and is fully accessible for disabled users. There is a car park with 83 spaces and cycle racks for 68 cycles.

Accidents

 * On 4 July 1949, a Derby to Llandudno passenger train ran into the rear of a Crewe to Holyhead passenger service, resulting in fifty injured people.
 * Chester General rail crash: On 8 May 1972, a freight train suffered a brake failure and collided with a diesel multiple unit at Chester General station and caught fire, causing severe damage to the building and the trains involved.
 * On 20 November 2013, a Class 221 Super Voyager diesel-electric multiple unit from London Euston to Chester collided with the buffer stops on platform 1, riding up over them and smashing a glass screen. There were no injuries, although one passenger was taken to hospital for checks. A Rail Accident Investigation Branch report stated that the incident was due to exceptionally slippery rails, but that the consequences of this were made more severe by the buffer stop being of an older design, which did not absorb the impact energy effectively. The report further stated that that particular stop had not undergone a risk assessment within the previous ten years, and was possibly not appropriate for class 221 units.

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Saint Fiacc

Saint Fiacc (c. 415-520) was a poet, the chief bishop of Leinster, and founder of two churches.

Life
His father, MacDara, was prince of the Uí Bairrche in the country around Carlow, Ireland. His mother was sister of Dubhthach moccu Lughair, the Chief Ollam of Ireland, the first of Patrick's converts at Tara, and the apostle's lifelong friend. Fiacc was a pupil to his uncle in the bardic profession and soon embraced the Faith. Subsequently, when Patrick came to Leinster, he temporarily stayed at Dubhtach's house in Uí Ceinnselaig and selected Fiacc, on Dubhtach's recommendation, to be dedicated bishop for the converts of Leinster. Fiacc was then a widower; his wife had recently died, leaving him one son named Fiacre. Patrick gave him an alphabet written with his own hand, and Fiacc acquired with marvellous rapidity the learning necessary for the episcopal order. Patrick consecrated him, and in after time appointed him chief bishop of the province. Fiacc founded the church of Domnach-Fiech, east of the Barrow.

After many years of austere life in this place, Fiacc was led by angelic command to remove to the west of the Barrow, for there "he would find the place of his resurrection". The legends state that he was directed to build his oratory where he should meet a hind, his refectory where he should find a boar. He consulted Patrick, the latter fixed the site of his new church at Sletty -- "the highland"—a mile and a half northwest of Carlow. This foundation does not survive, but a medieval church and two undecorated crosses do.

Here he built a large monastery, which he ruled as abbot while at the same time he governed the surrounding country as bishop. His annual Lent retreat to the cave of Drum-Coblai and the rigours of his Lenten fast, on five barley loaves mixed with ashes, are mentioned in his life by Jocelyn of Furness. He suffered for many years from a painful disease and Patrick, commiserating his infirmity, sent him a chariot and a pair of horses to help him in the visitation of the diocese. He lived to a very old age; sixty of his pious disciples were gathered to their rest before him. He was buried in his own church at Sletty, his son Fiacre, whom Patrick had ordained priest, occupying the same grave. They are mentioned in several calendars as jointly revered in certain churches.

Veneration
His feast day is 12 October.

Legacy
St. Fiacc is the reputed author of the metrical life of St. Patrick in Irish, a document of prime importance as the earliest biography of the saint that has come down to us. Modern scholars generally think it was composed later, in the seventh or possibly even the eighth century.

A hymn on St. Brigid, "Audite virginis laudes", has been sometimes attributed to him, but on insufficient grounds.

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Gladiatorial goats? Bastie 23:11, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Columella (disambiguation)
Columella is not just the name of a person. It is also the name affixed to a part of the lips that secretes mucous/mucus to constitute saliva I believe. The anatomy article needs to be created, as well as a possible disambiguation page if more names are discovered named columella. -- Permafrost 10:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

"Portrait"
As in virtually all these "ancient person" articles, some random vintage likeness is affixed without indicating that it's entirely imaginary.2A02:AA1:1011:4897:1550:76A0:4702:1505 (talk) 14:56, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, fair enough; but it must be pretty obvious that a portrait from 1559 of someone who died in the year 70 can hardly have been drawn from life. Anyway, if you're aware of a contemporary portrait of him, please mention it here; also, if you can date the statue standing in a fountain in Cádiz, that would be helpful. Thank you, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:27, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete, the rewrite will be left untouched. --Allen3 talk 17:43, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Vegas In Space
clear vanity, non-notable band; Wikipedia should not be used for advertising or to gain notarity Gator1 23:12, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete per nomination. - Gator1 23:12, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete this content; according to this interview, "we have yet to release anything nationally or tour", so they pretty clearly fail WP:MUSIC. However, it appears there is a film by this title (see ) and an article on that film would be appropriate. Meelar (talk) 18:30, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Monument Valley

2005 TV/Film Discussion
Perhaps a special sub-section noting the Valley's appearance in film/TV would be appropriate. --Jeremy Butler 12:27, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree, suggested section heading "Film/TV"? I found this list already http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/rothko/140/mvalley.htmlHans Erren
 * I have made it so--as a subsection. I'd suggest adding more movies from the above list, but I'd limit the selection to movies in which the Valley is especially prominent. It'd be good to have a line or two describing the movie's use of the Valley. --Jeremy Butler 12:21, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Hu 83.110.119.13 (talk) 17:12, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Jeremy, John Fords point is the flat area with the shops where the Dineh rents his horse for a picture, not the rock outcrop on my photograph, that would be "John Wayne's point". http://home.casema.nl/errenwijlens/family/hans_monumentvalley.jpg Hans Erren

 * Very interesting. I have a photo my mother took from John Ford's Point, but I (mis)understood it to be of the Point not from it. Good to get that clarified.  --Jeremy Butler 12:54, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I can't find points with either name on the USGS geodetic map. Can someone give me a clue where it is, and I'll search in more detail. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 23:39, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

 * "John Wayne's point" is my name-invention for the bluff where photographers usually put a horse with an indian, it is part of Elephant Butte eg http://emi-cfd-reseau.org/res2004/technique/navajos/eric/navajos3.html
 * On the local map near the visitor center "John Fords point" is the position of the camera, not the position of the indian.
 * http://home.casema.nl/errenwijlens/family/MonVal_JFpt.gif
 * (map modified from http://www.hanksville.org/voyage/defs/monval/MonVal.gif) Hans Erren

 * here is another map http://www.roadhaus.com/images/Gallery/Monument%20Valley/images/Monument%20Valley%201b.jpg and a detailed aerial photograph http://terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=13&Z=12&X=363&Y=2556&W=3

Based on these shots, I've fairly certain that the movie "Wild Wild West" featured shots of Monument Valley. Jon 15:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

 * See the IMDb list that I recently added to External Links. WWW is there.  —Tamfang 06:01, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Errors
The nearest indian village to Monument Valley is Oljato, 10 miles around Oljato mesa, though a few Navajos rent of lease land from Goulding's. Goulding's is run by whites, the Lafonts. There is no village of Goulding. Goulding's is the local Hotel, owned by RGJ corporation. They are on private land. Not all of the land is Navajo Reservation. I've lived 10 miles from MV all my life. Martinphi 05:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Inclusion of Gouldings in this article
Gouldings is part of the modern history of MV and should not be ignored. It is hardly "advertising" in the conventional sense, given its place in the movie history of MV and the fact that a museum exists there today. Viva-Verdi 16:23, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

 * That's great. Goulding's should be included, but only within the context of history, along with the Wetherills, Virginia and Ed Smith of Oljato Trading Post, The Mitchell and Merrick story, the Adventist Mission and Hospital, the Episcopal Mission and Father Liebler's St. Mary's of the Moonlight church, Uranium mining and Moonlight mine and the sicknesses it caused, Hoskinini and many other things as well.  But if we keep it in the Tourism section, we need to include such things as the Bed & Breakfasts (some also historic such as Valley of the Gods B&B and FireTree B&B), the lodgings in Kayenta and Mexican hat (some also historic such as the Wetherill Inn in Kayenta), the campgrounds available, etc.  We'd also need to include the Navajo establishments which sell jewelry, the Oljato Trading Post, horseback ride establishments, and day trip establishments. Including Goulding's in the Tourism section is advertising for a single institution. I'll remove the passage here till we can come to a conclusion on this.  Martinphi  (Talk Ψ Contribs) 21:22, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Goulding's Lodge, the original trading post established in 1923 and which was featured in several films made by John Ford in the Valley, has been expanded but a museum, housed in the original trading post building where trader Harry Goulding and his wife "Mike" lived, is open to the public and contains much movie memorabilia.

Map would be helpful
A map that would place the valley contextually in the States of Utah and Arizona, perhaps with the principal road travel routes to the valley entrance(s) from several points of the compass, would be most helpful. I have added a map request tag. See, for example, the two maps at the head of Capitol Reef National Park, another geographical resource of interesting topography on the Colorado Plateau for what I'm thinking of. N2e (talk) 12:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Along with a map, it would be nice to have a statement to say what Monument Valley actually is (imagine if there were no pictures and you didn't know)!

How about an introductory statement like:

"Monument Valley is a region of the Colorado Plateau characterized by a cluster of vast and iconic sandstone buttes, the largest reaching 1000 ft above the valley floor." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.208.101.164 (talk) 12:30, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks good, so I added it. jSarek (talk) 23:17, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Let's keep the pop trivia to a minimum please!!
So far on this page, there have been several posts about its appearance in films and other media, and of course the tourist industry...but absolutely nothing regarding this valley and how incredible landscape was formed save a few ambiguous mentions about erosion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.155.77.36 (talk) 18:46, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

I would argue that both should be included. As I have always wondered where and what this place was, having seen it so many cameos and and shots in pop culture, and came to this page looking for references to both, not one or the other. How was this place made? And where does it show up in all of media? Wikipedia is an encompassing encyclopedia, yes? Therefore, I would purpose that extensive mentions to pop culture and a well laid out article on his geology and creation are both worthy of note in the article. Just my two cents though. :) SageSolomon (talk) 23:15, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Wildlife
What animals live in Monument Valley?

If there are any animals, can we add in a wildlife section? Austin012599 (talk) 03:37, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Sacred?
From the lede: ''The valley is considered sacred by the Navajo Nation. . .'' This is the only statement in the article about this.

How so? Does it figure in their creation stories? Are ancestors buried there? Is it held to be a land of prophets, miracles, or sacred visions? Does it figure in spiritual rituals? Is it really sacred to the Navajo, or did some white guy writing the article just assume that it is?

Seems like a section explaining how/why the Navajo hold this area to be sacred is in order.

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If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the prod blp/dated tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can when you are ready to add one. GamerPro64 02:11, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of George (Rainbow) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article George (Rainbow) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/George (Rainbow) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:40, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Gary Biasillo for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Gary Biasillo is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Gary Biasillo until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. GamerPro64 04:26, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

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