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User talk:Frazzydee/Archive2

Hi, here's my talk page. Feel free to put anything you want here. If it's here, then you can assume that I've seen it. It's my policy not to delete mostly any messages here, but please don't vandalize this page. I will revert obvious vandalism that obstructs other people's view of my page. Thanks in advance for leaving a message! The reason for this policy is that I believe comments on this page- even if it's an attack against me- offer insight into what other user's think of me.

This page has never been archived. For your reading pleasure, I don't plan to archive it. Scratch that, this page is getting huge. I will blank every 100 comments, with a link to each archival copy (I want to preserve the diffs that I've often use as 'evidence').

I reserve the right to make slight modifications to people's comments, providing that it doesn't change the meaning. I promise not to change the body of people's text, but I may sign it for them if they forgot (I'll put it in [brakets], and make a note of it somewhere). I also might move comments, or add titles to people's comments if they didn't do it themselves. Whatever I decide to change, will be an obvious modification, usually denoted by [brackets]. Signing under somebody else's name will not be tolerated. Do so, and your comment will be deleted without consideration.

DO NOT REVERT ANYTHING ON THIS PAGE!!! Unless of course you're reverting a revert

Regardless of whether somebody has vandalized this page, attacked me personally, etc., I will deal with vandalism on THIS page on a case-by-case basis. On the other hand, reverting vandalism on my userpage would be much appreciated, and I have no problems with that. My personal policy is not to delete anything unless it obstructs other people's view of this page. I believe that messages on this page- inflammatory or not- give people potentially valuable insight on the type of contributor I am on Wikipedia.

This page was reverted once. I didn't see any reasonable way of preserving the message, and the user modified other people's comments.

To everybody who posts here: Please sign your name with four tildes (like this: ~ ). It makes it a lot easier for everybody (especially myself) to find out who said what. If you have something against time stamps, then I have no problem if you use three tildes, just make sure you post to the bottom of the page, so that everything is in chronological order.

(Archives: 1bak)

admin
No, I'm not and haven't been one here. I tried a self-nomination once, but it failed. I am an admin on Wikipedia. -- Netoholic @ 01:51, 2005 Jan 18 (UTC)

[hi]
LUPO IS A FUCKING FAGGISH MOTHER FUCKER BY RYAN M [-24.244.192.130]
 * ''talk page was blanked, and this message was added. Title was chosen based on summary. Please see '

Vacuum
Why haven't you blocked Vacuum? It has broken the 3RR.--Jirate 16:15, 2005 Jan 22 (UTC)

[none]
what a fucker! [-24.62.31.167]

Copyrights
While the paladin press page might have been copyrighted I just want to say that the articles on American Dragon and Isometric exercises were not found at the sites you specified. And I think that to an extent the widespread use of those articles across the internet is proof that there is no copyright. If you run a search of the text I posted you eill find it on multiple sites. And finally while I apoligize if I violated any copyrights my only intention was to get the articles started so others could edit them.--Gary123 23:27, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I also want to add that I believe all three of my articles are important enough to deserve to be in wikipedia one being a major printg press that was invovled in a major legal battle, the other an animated television series on a major network, and the third an important exercise use by one of the most famous exercising systems of all time Dynamic Tension by Charles atlas. For those reasons i think even if my information is copyrighted you should at least leave a small stub to start off those articles.--Gary123 23:38, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

When I said that I didn's copy them from the sites you specified what I meant was that they were taken from  sites other than the ones you mentioned. Which means that these passages are pretty widespread across the internet especial the isometric exercise article which is word for world in a huge amount of websites.--Gary123 00:06, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC) == Headline text == == Headline text == == Headline text ==
 * I 'd the above text.  See  -Frazzydee|✍ 01:04, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Uh... O_O
I've gotten a message saying my IP did some sort of test? Huh?

Uh... Not me. I'm at a University, so it might be someone else. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

Thanks for the friendly reply. It startled me, because Ogdensburg is actually where I live. O_O

Quite odd.

Just the thing, though. My University is half an hour away from Ogdensburg. O_o

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You have been temporarily blocked from editing for vandalism of Wikipedia. Please note that page blanking, addition of random text, deliberate misinformation, and repeated and blatant violation of WP:NPOV are considered vandalism. If you wish to make useful contributions, you may come back after the block expires.
 * No, I didn't actually get blocked. This is vandalism.  See  -Frazzydee|✍ 01:52, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

DanP
I don't know if DanP's [User talk:DanP|user talk] page is on your watchlist. It is currently on mine. He has asked you for evidence of the 3RR breach. I am not going to get involved, since I may say something I might regret (DanP frequently describes edits he disagrees with as vandalism - a habit I find infuriating). - Jakew 22:22, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

DanP's violation of the 3RR
If you look on his Talk: page, you'll note he was warned about this already back on December 16, 2004, so it's not like he doesn't know. As well, rather than being contrite, or suggesting he wouldn't do it again, he characterized his reverts as removing "vandalism", when he was clearly involved in an edit war. I have little patience for people who deliberately violate the 3RR, particularly when they do it with disingenuous excuses. Jayjg |  (Talk)  23:15, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

A possible 3RR-violation
A friend asked me to point out these four reverts by Jakew  in a twenty four our period. This is only the second time I ever tattled about 3RR and the othertime was to help to add some weight to the more serious issue of personal attacks. I generally let this sort of thing slide, but my friend really would like me to report this for him. So now, here it goes:

On medical analysis of circumcision Jakew  made these edits:

 * 16:39, 24 Jan 2005 revert to 23:18, 23 Jan 2005
 * 20:32, 24 Jan 2005 revert to 18:23, 24 Jan 2005
 * 01:00, 25 Jan 2005 revert to 20:32, 24 Jan 2005
 * 13:09, 25 Jan 2005 revert to 12:44, 25 Jan 2005

Those are revert pairs. He has several version to which he reverts at random. He has four pairs there to which he reverted. Whether that counts as four reverts, I leave for you to decide.

¡Thanks!

--

Ŭalabio 01:55, 2005 Jan 26 (UTC)

WP:AN/Navbox
You might want to check out WT:AN. Noel (talk) 03:26, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Reference List
Hi: Stumbled across the reference/cite check talk by accident. I'm new. Haven't contributed much; latest was Degenerate art Zosodada reverted & ripped me to shreds in less than 72 hours. I'm still perspiring, but that article looks nth degree encyclopedic now. I had to dig like a dog - my literary cites weren't convincing. Since I also spend a lot of time on the Ref Desk, I started my own list by "web farming" & categorizing: Arts; Business; News; Law; Inflation calculators - everything I can find. I just started; tedious checking links & determining they're useful. Something I tossed 2 days ago I needed the next. Is this helpful for your project, or a wasted effort? Naturally, I didn't set the page up right: Allie/Wikipedia Reference Desk. --allie 23:59, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry that the project lost momentum. Noticed that there is a Category:Reference & Category:Sources currently existing. many of my links overlap; but also found many that aren't on the list- ArtLex one example of a compendium that is valuable for fact checking. Also bumped into an error on ballet page - it's not "America Ballet Co." - it's "American Ballet Co." - and it's a video dictionary. Guess I should request a speedy delete of my page, then? --allie 13:41, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Strange edit at User talk:63.171.166.140
Hi. Did you make this edit on User talk:63.171.166.140? Or did someone make an edit on a machine you were using before you logged out? Wondering, -- Infrogmation 02:53, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

FA by Mail
Hi, Frazzydee. Thanks for reviving the Featured Article by Mail! Out of interest, I downloaded Kate's script, and it runs fine on my cygwin (a unix shell for windows) install, so if you ever need a vaykay, feel free to drop me a line. (Happy Belate-late-lated birthday!)  — MikeX (talk) 12:07, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)

3RR
Eek! Thanks for letting me know. (duplicated on my user page). - Jakew 17:17, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Nicky Jam

 * I didn't insert the page on Nicky Jam. It was a newbie test that was somehow preserved by my insertion of the speedy notice.  Thank you for mentioning that I preserved it, but it was completely unknown by me and accidental.  Bart133 17:51, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

TFD
Sorry for any misunderstandings, there were two entries on TfD that said 'Template:Content dispute', so I removed one of them. Vacuum c 23:51, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)

Re: James Cleverly
I think you have the wrong individual. Maybe you mean Rd232? - user:defunkt 18:37, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Even though you're the first person to leave me a message by mistake because of my welcome template, I'm surprised more people haven't. I could easily see myself doing the same thing, especially during the late hours I usually edit.  I'm going to change the sentence in question to something else and hope I don't cause this kind of confusion in the future.  And wow, over 1,000 contribs.  Thank you for your dedication =)  People like you make this site the invaluable resource it is for people like me, who barely (or don't) contribute but visit multiple times every day.   - user:defunkt 23:05, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Rael
You must admit it was a little funny. [-128.146.141.194]

Request
Hi Frazzydee. I wonder if I could ask for your help with something. A few days ago, User:Fvw set a block on me, which I believe was inappropriate. As far as I can tell, I didn't violate any policies, and the owner of the page concerned has since affirmed my beliefs. I'm trying to discuss this with Fvw, but I'm not having much luck. Please could you have a look at my attempt to discuss this, and tell me if I'm being unreasonable. If I'm not, could you try to talk to him on my behalf? Thanks. (I've also asked User:Geni) - Jakew 21:37, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response. I don't agree that what I did was wrong, and DanP doesn't seem to think so either (I guess since it's his user page he gets the last word...). Either way, it certainly wasn't user page vandalism as currently defined. My frustration at present is more with Fvw's arrogant refusal to discuss the matter than with the block itself - although I feel wronged, I can put it in the past if we could at least talk about it. Sorry - not your problem, I know. Anyway, thanks again for your comments, though I respectfully disagree. - Jakew 22:19, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Moved image
Thanks very much for the help and the tip. :) -Wild Bill 19:36, Feb 2, 2005 (UTC)

de:Benutzer:Frazzydee]
haie frazzdydee,

i translated your page .. just I dont know what the FA-Mail list means .. so i could not translate it ;o).. if you want to have it translated please tell me on my talk page! (I'm not watching your TP ....) ...Sicherlich 04:09, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * okay got it and changed the translation ;) .. "Artikel des Tages" it is in German ...for your idea; i have no oppinion on that .. but Apper tranlsted your offer; wish you the best for your idea! CU ...Sicherlich 04:30, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Image:Joseph McCarthy.jpg
Why did you remove protection from this image? It is going to be on the Main Page soon. --mav 18:14, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

NP :) --mav

User page revert
Thanks for reverting my user page after it was diapered by Bro. Larry and his mother/maid/friend/brother/or whatever member of the family he's naming himself after now. Joyous 22:21, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)

cite sources?
hi Faraaz -- what are we to use in place of Template:Cite sources now? dab (ᛏ) 19:59, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * thank you! Template:Unreferenced looks like it is going to stay with us, btw. regards, dab (ᛏ) 07:31, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hi: Are you familiar with citing reference sourcework? I just made my 1st edit change, and my information contradicts what's in the article on Sylvester Graham. How do I check this? My reference is pretty good, I think: It's an Oxford Companion Encyclopedia. Also, I would be very interested to know what kinds of guidelines you use for plagiarism? Is listing a reference book enough? This is a sticky wicket with me, and I am very particular about this. Thank you, new user Otto. --Otto 21:56, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

->Thanks! Appreciated all those links & your double-check; it was very thoughtful, as it appears you are a busy person. I like the way you footnoted, but unfortunately, it's not on my special pages link. ->You shouldn't have to do my work for me... ->Ergo, my second question: Is there a magic place in the Wikipedia where I can read up & find out about citations, how to footnote, and how not to become Template:Unreferenced? The Manual of Style doesn't say how (Hot dang! Italics!) or where to put refs in the article you're working on?!?! It seems silly to have to double-check without them. ->What do you do? Look for well-polished writing and then think, hmmm...I'd better check this? That sounds like a double-negative to me. Then only sloppy, careless writing is rewarded, yet someone who does a lot of research and spends the effort to write an excellent piece (say, offline in Word) would be suspect, because a whole page suddenly appeared out of the blue. Hmph. ->I did stumble across the page on Wikipedia where you were determining what to do about referencing. Are you the coordinator, and may I become involved? or am I too new? ->Thank you for your help once again, and I don't mean to take up too much of your time with my questions. --Otto 02:40, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) I'm not formatting this the right way, am I? Sorry. Off to the sandbox now.
 * Are you familiar with BookRags? Bookrags Literary References it's a pay site, but has quick, authorative bios: Alphabetical Index "G" Otto 12:47, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Cheap little bastard
I am afraid I must take the moral high ground with respect to this comment you left on my talk page. You did not footnote or leave any reference to confirm that you are indeed a "cheap little bastard." I searched this in Google and I couldn't find any confirmation. Your sources, please? Otto 04:07, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * heh, heh. Glad that you took it in the spirit it was meant :0 You've been a great introduction to Wikipedia and your enthusiasm as well as your sense of humor is much appreciated! I am looking forward to contributing more on Wikipedia now, and perhaps one day, I too will proclaim that Wikipedia is my God for the source of wisdom...and thus become a member of the self-proclaimed "CLB" club! --Otto 18:25, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Fact and Reference Check
I added the section == List of articles that have been referenced == on the main page because I wanted to see some articles that have been referenced. I don't think we have any yet :(. Do you know any completed articles that have been referenced actually on Wikipedia so I can see how it was done and apply it to articles I want to reference? --ShaunMacPherson 19:13, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Doug Malloy
I was looking at that page, it seems that he may have been a significant figure, although the content was clearly nonsense. Several pages link there, although I am not 100% convinced they should. What do you think? Rich Farmbrough 02:49, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I came to it from the VfD page. I am not sure whether this is notable or verifiable - I found some internet sources but they are hard to verify. I guess if it's worthwhile it will reappear in a better form. Rich Farmbrough 08:48, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Milgaard Page
Thanks for the encouragement, I actually did an ISU on Milgaard, Morin and a few other cases of Canadians wrongfully convicted a couple years ago and just found the old documents on my computer, so decided to run through them quickly and hopefully update some Wikipedia pages with the info I'd dug up on them...while bored I actually then went and made a page for Milgaard's lawyer that I've seen in the paper several times for various things (Hersh Wolch) It's always encouraging though when you take time out of your day to update a wikipedia reference, to know that somebody's actually seen it, and it's not just lost and useless in cyberspace :) btw, this is actually my first time using these talk pages, so I could be doing it completely wrong...guess I'll find out when I hit "save" :) --Sherurcij 06:55, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!
I edited the brackets in wikilaser1.png that said "unspecified" to say "public domain". I hope that is how I am supposed to do it. I did the art, but its nothing precious-- so I assumed when I uploaded it that it would become wiki's property. Thank you for pointing out my options. --Kittyslave 08:56, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks mate :-)
So many people keep telling me that! I had no idea so many people were watching me admin... :P Anyway, I'll probably pop into IRC every now and again, but not too often as I'm thinking about doing a correspondence course, getting a new job and spending more time at my church. I have lots of people to look after in the outside world to be honest, and I reckon Wikipedia will do OK without me. But I'll be watching the site with a great deal of interest - and I might even do the odd edit. Take care, ok? - Ta bu shi da yu 10:37, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

TfD janitors
Hi, if you have this in hand, I'll stay out of your way (unless you'd like help there). Also. may I point you at Cleaning department; if you're going to continue on with taking care of TfD, you might want to note that there so people know it's covered. Thanks! Noel (talk) 14:41, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

What is something good to work on?
Any topics need a helping hand?

Fact and Reference, redux
I see your recent note on my talk page expecting that members of this project will actively participate in the weekly work of checking. I joined the project to discuss strategies, not to do this particular type of work on articles outside my areas of expertise.

Should I take my name off of the list of participants? (Most WikiProjects do not have specific expectations on their members, and I guess I was unaware of this one when I signed up.) -- Jmabel | Talk 20:22, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:38, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

Messages
For some reason, I received a message saying that I was blanking large portions of text. Considering it's taken me about five minutes to even figure out how to leave a message for you on this page, I'd suggest you check your logs again before accusing me of such things.

 * fermer la bouche

 * pwp 205.188.116.66]

Yo, Frazz!
Man, is it ever great to hear from you! Your message cheered me up. I've been spending entirely too much time fighting vandals and hanging around the "newpages" section for my own good. Driving myself nuts. Glad you're back...stay in touch! Don't make me come to Toronto to give you a noogie. - Lucky 6.9 19:03, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Your message
This article is wrong in fact. There are affadavits that say this. I did what you asked and it got removed. This is biased reporting in the worse way.

Thank you
Thank you for supporting my adminship — I vow to use my super powers for good not evil. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:03, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * thank-you so much, much appreciated, pwp [-205.188.116.66]

Thanks also
for putting me right on CSD. I was under the impression, obviously mistaken, that blatant adverts came into the criteria. However I only nominate articles which always means that someone else looks at them before they are deleted. ping 08:18, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

revert 2620s
thanks for reverting to my ({del}} tag on 2620s DDerby 01:47, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Down the memory hole
This comment originally appeared in Village pump (policy) 10:54, 2005 Apr 7 (UTC). It was not only removed from the Pump, but from the Pump's history itself -- pure Orwellian censorship, and not by a common user, either.

If you think this is unacceptable, I hope you will work to preserve not only these remarks, but to discover the actor who obliterated them. — Xiongtalk 03:14, 2005 Apr 10 (UTC)

I have struck my charge of Orwellian revisionism; just because they're out to get you doesn't mean you're not paranoid. At the time I posted several copies of this around the project, I actually did fear that someone would systematically delete it without a trace.

You may wish to delete the box itself and replace with a link to User:Xiong/Minitrue. I will not consider that revisionism.— Xiong熊 talk 23:44, 2005 Apr 11 (UTC)

 Following process on Templates for deletion

'''Who are we? Why are we here?''' I'm not speaking of the entire project or our grand mission, only of the small group of regulars who work within TfD. What are we doing here?

Each one of us will have a different answer to that question; so to guide us in our efforts, we have a written process. Process should not act as a straitjacket, but as a way for us to agree to respect each other's differing views.

If all of us had the same exact opinion on each template, there would be no need for the Templates for deletion page -- not in its present form, at any rate. We would each individually mow down templates we found insupportable, and log the deletions. No need for debate, no need for discussion. And since we would all be in perfect agreement, we would have strong justification for refusing to hear appeals from other members of WP.

But it is not so. I think widget should stay and blivet should go; El Supremo thinks {widget} should go and {blivet} stay. Sometimes, we can discuss these issues and find a meeting ground. Maybe I can accept some changes to {widget}, with which El Supremo can tolerate its continued presence. But what do we do when after a week of wrangling, I still say "Widgets forever!" and El Supremo grunts, "Blivets or death!" -- what then?

Our process specifies that after seven days on TfD, if consensus is not reached, the nominated template is free to go -- the matter is over. We also say that a template should not be renominated for a month, if then. No good purpose is served by chewing old bones.

Recently, the nominated template divbox came to the end of its seven-day roasting. There was considerable controversy, a more or less even split of opinions (4 delete to 3 keep), and certainly nothing approaching consensus, or even overwhelming majority. Our process says {divbox} goes free, and that's the end of the matter -- at least, the end for this month. Those determined to keep a dog in the fight may do so on the nominated template's Talk page.

Shortly after I removed the offending listing and carefully began to archive all its debate -- not merely the debate within the TfD workflow, but wherever I could find a scrap of it -- a certain user, without discussion of any kind so far as I know, restored {divbox} to the TfD page and simultaneously juggled the entire contents of the page, including our written process guidelines. Am I the only one in this project who finds this a bit questionable?

 * TfD page, including process guidlines, prior to Orwellian reversions -- here is an excerpt:

 * "It is also possible that no concensus has been reached. Action: Remove template from this page entirely. Copy the entire discussion to template's Talk page. Remove tag from template's main page. ("Disputed" subsection deprecated.) Absent concensus, the disputed template is kept."

 * I have to disclose that it was I who wrote the text of this section, as part of a complete cleanup of the page, including explicit workflow process. The cleanup stood unchallenged througout the recent heated debate over {divbox} -- nobody found it offensive or even felt a need to correct my misspelling of "consensus" -- but now that it permits {divbox} release from jail, it must all be destroyed. (!?)

 * This process, too, is subject to change -- but have we come to the point where we are permitted to change our guidelines for how we work at the same time as we cite our changes to process as justification for what we do?

If we have come to the point where everything is up for grabs, please let me know, and I will start work on Jimbo's home page, VfD, CfD, RfC, RfA, and all the other pages which manage the way we manage the work we do. If I don't need to discuss any of my changes before making them, then why should I? And if someone disagrees with me, why should I not alter existing process to make his disagreement illegal?

If we have not come to that point, and we still cling to shreds of social fabric, then I ask you to take whatever action you think necessary to hold those shreds together, and allow me to return to the work I do best -- making things that work for us all. Thank you. — Xiongtalk 10:54, 2005 Apr 7 (UTC)

Netoholic's move
Thank you for retrieving that interesting log. What do you think it means? How did Netoholic manage to also remove the automatic temporary redirect? Did he have assistance? Can his Big Buddy be identified? Does Netoholic's action violate his temporary injunction against some types of reversion? — Xiong熊 talk 23:41, 2005 Apr 11 (UTC)

Merged fragmented discussion to: User:Xiong/Metahole. You may want to remove this entire section -- but of course, keep the WikiThanks! — Xiong熊 talk 04:49, 2005 Apr 12 (UTC)

Convention
Would you consider a Charter Convention? — Xiong熊 talk 02:07, 2005 Apr 12 (UTC)

X-Play Edits
IMO, I felt that the data on the show's schticks were kind of useless information. If anyone else thinks its worthwhile to keep in there, go for it. --Thewastedsmile 03:04, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

DYK image
Oops, I usually do it, but I totally forgot to protect this time. Sorry. (Did you unprotect the old image as listed on the talk page?) Mgm|(talk) 20:28, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

Why did sandbot...
do this? Just curious :) -Frazzydee|✍ 22:52, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Ah. The unfortunate side effect of processing a page.  The time that it takes for Sandbot to get a page and process it has a lag time of about a minute or so.  Therefore, when it attempts to re-enforce the existing header, the page in its cache is stale.  I'm thinking a way to revert that. -- AllyUnion (talk) 23:05, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah... I found the problem...  The lag time is due to the fact that it gets two pages in a row.  I moved it, so that it will attempt to process and post immediately.  Hopefully, the bot won't run into that problem again. -- AllyUnion (talk) 23:12, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Fact and Reference Check
Hi Frazzydee,

Excellent work on the Fact and Reference checks and organization, esp. the article on Titan's Moon and now the current one on the Egyptian pyramids. I'll take a look at the formatting for each of these and try out doing some fact checks :). It is good we have a format in place to get it rolling and people will realize they can do referencing and start doing it to all articles.  I think the momentum is starting to pick up.

As well, I notice that the list of members in FARC is organized by when they joined. Would a less POV version be alphabetic? We want new members to feel as important as old members, so we can get them working :P.

--ShaunMacPherson 21:43, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi again
Yes, I'm trying to do this right now. I'm still learning how to do it all. But thanks for the offer.

deleted page
Thanks for the message. I remember moving the page to his User space from something like 'Template:Not notable', but I'd not normally delete anything in user space unless the creator asked for it to be. (Why didn't he use 'subst'?)

I've been cutting my Watchlist, but it's still 2,364 pages... Yes, I need to cut it a lot more if I'm going to retain any sanity. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:47, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

LupinBot
Hi, please unblock my IP address. I think it is unreasonable to put an indefinite ban on my IP address simply because I was unaware that I had to get permission to run a bot (which was only uploading images).

I will not run the bot until I have completed the necessary bureaucratic processes. Lupin 00:19, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for unblocking my IP. Unfortunately I still can't edit from that IP address. Could you look into this? Lupin 00:35, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Spoken
I'll be getting a mic soon, but my voice is pretty bad. You can contribute in the way I have, by editing others' contributions to delete weird pauses, or stutters, or anything that can clean up the speech. For an example, see the original and updated links at the bottom of the Robert Oppenheimer audio file; I got rid of 35 seconds of weird pauses, etc. You might try doing the History of the World audio file for a test. Just make sure you reencode it at the same kbps so that there isn't too much loss. As for the template, this was a consensus/compromise between myself, Raul654, and some of the other Spoken Wikipedia members, who all agree that it is fine. It might be a little redundant, but we're trying to increase the project popularity, so maybe we can consider changing this when we get a lot more people and articles. --brian0918 ™ 02:08, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Blocks
Thanks! Refdoc 00:42, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

4×post
No problem - those sorts of glitches happen to us all from time to time: saw it; fixed it :) -- ALoan (Talk) 14:56, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You proved my point
Greetings. I appreciate the friendly way you initiated my co-workers, whom I have just introduced to Wikipedia. You know them as 143.158.254.228, which is actually a proxy, though you will not be surprised to discover one of them is named Nerge. They are aware of the sandbox, but they were not really testing to see if they could edit articles, but rather how fast their obvious jokes and vandalism would be reverted. Your excellent response time amazed them. One of them is watching me write this and is threatening me with an umbrella.

Perhaps I shouldn't have shown them wikipedia.

 * sigh --Izmir Stinger 21:03, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Re: Bots?
Without informing me what the error is, I don't know how to help you. -- AllyUnion (talk) 00:54, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, you should attempt to email the project's mailing list. -- AllyUnion (talk) 01:08, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Help with page
Yeah, it was just a test. I went ahead and changed it myslef.

Reverted
User typed "evil & stupid" 432 times, ending his/her eloquent diatribe with a single letter "v", presumabely from holding down ctrl-v. See this diff. -Frazzydee|✍ 22:14, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry. I didn't see your notice about "not reverting" until I'd already reverted.  Apologies.  Joyous 22:17, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem :)

 * The user did this again, this time using headline text, widening the page, but still ending with the signature "v". -Frazzydee|✍ 23:17, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Warning
I agree with warning. However this determined vandal has been warned many, many times. No point wasting any more time. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 22:16, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Moral Clarity
You unblocked the user:Moral Clarity and then falied to reblock them. I have reinstaded a week long block, hopefully within that time it can be shown whether or not the user is a sock or copycat, and a longer block can be enforced. I should also add that if you looked thorugh the user history and at the other socks you would have noticed that both the previous socks were blocked indefinately quite soon after creation (on the same day, within a few hours), given this and the obvious similarities between this new version of said sock I don't think my original block was unresonable. --nixie 01:53, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I was slightly horrified by the prospect that this perosn could be at in again in 24 hours, thats all :). Thanks --nixie 02:07, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Britney
Britney's popularity is not debatable; I thought her influence was. Hence, I deleted. Please forgive my entry if it fails to meet Wiki standards. As you can guess, I am new to this. Further, my congratulations, as it is doubtful I will ever post anything ever again as a result of your vigilance. Thanks! --User:Harmanos 02:53, 25 April 2005 (UTC)

Xiong
Hi there! Because the RFC about Xiong seemed to deal mainly on his disagreements with Netoholic, I thought it best to start a new RFC to see if people have comments on Xiong's behavior that do not relate to Netoholic. Please give your thoughts and/or opinion on that at Requests for comment/Xiong. Radiant_* 08:26, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your award — I'll give up one of the last little remnants of my life to keep it polished. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 19:47, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Template:Deletedpage
Last thing, this survived TfD with calls to rewrite. I may be the wrong person to fix it, since I apparently did not do a good job to begin with. I don't really understand what is wrong with it -- short and to the point.

Right now, it's unused, but if I see any way to improve it, I might like to use it in the body of Template:Pfd. Bias: I think nothing should be deleted, except that whose very presence is misleading, flatly illegal, or unnecessarily offensive -- and I have a very broad definition of "necessary" -- except to make room for something else. Deletion destroys history, and that really riles me. Blank, yes; replace with a notice, yes; delete, no. — Xiong熊 talk 04:33, 2005 Apr 29 (UTC)

Regarding My changes at Swastik Page
Hi. I wanted to add Jainism too after Hinduism and Buddhism but was not able to do so.. Some extra lines were coming.. Kindly add Jainism also in Second paragraph..Nalim  ( &Nalim; ) 1 May 2005

[no title]
wikipedia suck
 * A talk entry was blanked, and this text was added instead.(diff)

I wasn't testing, phoo!
Wha? I wad'nt testing! [-61.69.12.14]

Disclaimer templates
I used a comment you made in a TfD discussion as an argument on Disclaimer templates, and thought it would be impolite to not tell you about it. If you do not want it used there, feel free to remove it (or remove your signature, or rewrite it). --cesarb 00:47, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for telling me :) I don't have a problem with it being there, although I probably would've put a bit more thought into how I said it had I known (oh well ;)). I really appreciate the fact that you let me know! -Frazzydee|✍ 01:04, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

 * If you think you could have said it better, be bold and edit the version on the policy proposal ☺! It wouldn't even need your signature there then. I used what you said because I thought it was greatly worded, btw. --cesarb 01:09, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Removal of link marked minor
You recently made an edit to iPod, deleting an external link. You marked this link minor. Please remember that any change in actual content should not be marked minor. TreyHarris 22:37, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Apologies—I had seen a rash of non-minor edits being marked minor lately, and I didn't look closely enough. My error. TreyHarris 06:46, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Depop Category:Sexual act
Why? SV|t 22:36, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

 * "If it were created to be put at the top of articles with these images (so you see the message before the image), it would be a different idea, and would warrant a seperate TFD entry."

I see - so the issue is not the cat but the template. I will restore the cat, unless there is any objection to the notion of Categorization - for whatever prurient or puritan interests that may serve. -SV|t 23:24, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Nicholas J. Hopper
It's a waste of everyones time, but I've sent it to vfd--nixie 02:42, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Template:Sofixit
Although the nomination for deletion of Template:Sofixit at WP:TFD certainly doesn't look like it is going to pass, I think that you are jumping the gun by removing the TFD template after two days (listed by BlankVerse at 09:08, 19 May 2005 (UTC), removed by you at 11:04, 21 May 2005 (UTC), just under 50 hrs. later). Blank Verse  ∅ 12:47, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

[no title]
This page belongs to an idiot who believes in the academic boycott on Bar Ilan University.

Ivyboy 17:01, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I added the strikethroughs. See  -Frazzydee|✍ 20:48, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

RE: Vandalism
Thank you for the offer. When will you block me (and as a result all of Bar Ilan)?Dittoboy (formerly Bubbaboy - I untransformed) 12:56, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Gee. My very first case of User page vandalism. I feel like I've joined the club or something. I am thoroughly disappointed, however, that it wasn't something that was more inventive than a page blank. But then that sort of matches the very unimaginative vandalism that I've been reverting the past couple of days. For some reason I've been getting a bunch of very minor vandalism on my Watchlist—stuff like someone will add "dog" at the end of a paragraph. Stranger yet, it has often been the first and only edit for the IP rather than being some serial vandal. I wonder what I've done to deserve such an honor. ;-) Blank Verse  ∅  14:59, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Is this one of Ivyboy's friends? His actions were diferent from Ivyboy, but his name reminds me of Ivyboy. (For your information, Bulbaboy got his Wikimedia name from Pokemon #1 (Bulbasaur); Ivyboy based his name on Ivysaur, and now we have Ditto in the form of Dittoboy.)

 * In addition, Ivyboy warned that his friends were going to prevent edits from Bar Ilan, and Dittoboy seems to think it is a good idea to do so). Notice that you wrote that you will block if he "vandalizes somebody else's talk page, user page, or articles", and the first thing he does is asks you to block him and vandalises someone else's talk page.

 * User142 16:45, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Looks like Ivyboy's "friend". I'm not sure if it's the same guy, though.  I've also added strikethroughs on his sig - although he couldn't speel it correctly, for some reason. - Bulbaboy 20:42, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Now are you going to block me?Dittoboy (formerly Bubbaboy - I untransformed) 17:49, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

FA by e-mail
Hi there! It looked historical to me because it seemed like nobody was using it. I was unaware of the list info page you mentioned. But of course I may be wrong, and if I am please remove the tag. Yours, Radiant_* 07:40, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

Deleted entry??? HELP Please
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. (Difference between revisions) Revision as of 08:01, 31 May 2005 203.124.2.8 (Talk | contribs) History ← Older edit Revision as of 11:04, 31 May 2005 194.83.252.194 (Talk | contribs) Removed (again) external link to commercial and not particularly relevant website. Newer edit → Line 245: Line 245: *Liverpool City Council *Liverpool City Council *Liverpool: European Capital of Culture 2008 *Liverpool: European Capital of Culture 2008 - *Liverpool Skyline Mersey Waterfront DVD *UNESCO citation *UNESCO citation *Port Cities Liverpool *Port Cities Liverpool

I was wondering why a link to my site was removed from the Liverpool Page.

www.liverpool-skyline.co.uk

Sure it linked to my homepage with images(given away free) and video clips (given away free)

while other sites that SELL Pictures are allowed to keep thier link.

I am selling a DVD, 1h30min in lenth, with a full music soundtrack, for less than the other people will sell one image. so I would like to know how its ok for them?

THanks Johnvid [At ] rocketmail *d ot* com

Good work!
Frazzy -- I just wanted to say thanks for all the good work you do with the featured articles by email :) →Raul654 00:56, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

GAP Project
I'm going to try to be calm here;

First- read the talk page Talk:GAP Project. This answers your question about what copyright violation occurred, I stopped reading after coming across the first copied sentence (the one that i mentioned on the talk page). This was the second time I had to address this page for copyright violations.

Instructions for clearing copyvios are simple; if the initial edit is a copyright violation then delete the article. Otherwise revert to the most recent revision that doesn't contain a copyright violation (see WP:CP). This is what I did to the GAP Project. Also, in this case, I deleted the revisions that contained copyright violations, because Coolcat kept repeating his copyright violations.

Second- This is not the first time I've delt with Coolcat on copyright violations, and while he is a very nice guy, my experience with him is that he keeps copying, keeps complaining, and keeps shopping around for different administrators when he doesn't get the answerers he wants (Silsor, Burgundavia, you...)

I am not mad at you or Coolcat, and forgive my language, but the amount of time squandered arguing over this fucking bullshit is an order of magnitude greater than that required to write the article from scratch. If this had been any other user, and on the first copyvio, I would have spent the extra time removing or re-writing the sentances that were still copied. But it was the Coolcat, who had just wasted a huge amount of my time with idiotic copyvio arguments on Diagnosis Murder. And this was the SECOND time I had to spend my time reviewing the GAP Project.

Finally- Please pass on to Coolcat that he has my solemn promise that I will not delete his work as a copyvio as long as he doesn't plagerize and commit copyright violations.

If you want to spend your time restoring parts of this article I think it would be great, but I have no stomach for it now. --Duk 15:20, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support
Thank you for voting on my RFA. Have some pie! I was pleasantly surprised by the sheer number of supporters (including several people that usually disagree with my opinion). I shall do my best with the proverbial mop. Yours, Radiant_ >|< 08:06, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

access
I think this is a misguided attempt to make a standard table to point to "pre-requisite" articles that one may need to read for background material on the article. I mean, this is a great idea, but it doesn't make sense that all hard-to-understand math articles would have exactly eight articles that you would need to link to as background. (There's an example of usage on Template talk:Access.) -- Beland 19:07, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

sorry
okay i have no ide how to leave a message here because you didnt tell me how, so i hope im not doing anything wrong...anyway, about the vandalism, i am truly sorry about what i did on the hitler page. i did not realize that what i put there would have an effect on any one elses computer but mine. thanks for not reporting me, i owe you one..just one [-142.166.101.125]

oh my god!
i am so mad now!!!!!!! i was nice enough to leave sorry for what i did to the hitler page, and my message gets deleted!!! [-Spanier]

Oppenheimer ogg
Heya, I've modified your talk page a little, sorry about that but it's unavoidable: brian0918's comment above accidentally used Image:Robert Oppenheimer.ogg as an image instead of a link, causing everyone who visited this talk page to download a 15.9M file from upload.wikimedia.org. I've just inserted the appropriate :. --W(t) 16:13, 2005 Jun 12 (UTC)

TFD?
Hi there! Thanks for clearing out recent TFD stuff. However I was wondering why you leave the relevant talk pages intact? I can't find any reference to that in the process description, except for a bit at WP:CSD which says that such talk pages are speediable. Yours, Radiant_ >|< 07:50, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't see much harm but I don't see much good either (although theoretically they might prevent people from reinstating the deleted template). So I guess I don't really mind either way, but it may be useful to ask one of the oldbies what they used to do earlier. Radiant_ >|< 11:44, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

Johann Sebastian Bach
Aloha. I just joined the Fact and Reference Check WikiProject so I have a few questions. For example, can you tell me why there are multiple refs for Bach's birth and death dates? Since there is only one source used for these dates, wouldn't it make sense to ref once, after the closed parens? --Viriditas | Talk 04:49, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. May I nominate Terri Schiavo for a biweekly special article, or at least for your consideration?  It's been on peer review for about two months, I believe.  --Viriditas  | Talk 09:41, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

output-light-restyle.css
Hello Frazzydee, I have made some modifications to the output-light.css to reach this layout. I have just placed it in nl:Gebruiker:JePe/chatzilla/output-light-restyle.css. The changes are however not really documentated in the CSS. I uploaded the screenshot for an article on nl.wikipedia, but I didn't know that it was uploaded by someone else to Commons. But now it can be used for other projects as well :) JePe 23:33, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Deleted template? Sorry!
. I'd have explained earlier except that I didn't have that talk page on my watchlist. Yours, Radiant_ >|< 09:32, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * I am unaware of any other such templates, and frankly I don't quite see how it could be useful (it lists the long history of another page; however, when discussing a page what is usually important is one specific version, or a diff - not a lengthy history). And people are unlikely to imitate using it since it doesn't look like a template. Anyway... I'd prefer not to go through the lengthy bureaucracy of VFU, but I'd be happy to undelete the template if you can think of a suitable usage. Yours, Radiant_ >|< 10:07, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Grasshopper Page
Why was the photo gallery on the grasshopper page removed? I can see no reason why the photos on the old page (Grasshopper) shouldn't be included in the new version. That photo from fotoclipart.com is useless compared to the old ones. --Fir0002 07:26, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Szilárd Leó
Saw you leaving a question about that in Kate’s discussion page — okay, that was ages ago, anyway — so here’s the answer: Wikipedia:EN isn’t in UTF-8 still, because there are supposedly software out there which would break it. I’m sure there are, but all the Unicode Wikis don’t seem to suffer such degradation. The last graphical browser I know didn’t work well with Unicode is Netscape 4, and I doubt there are significant amounts of people using it. Much more is the hassle of watching out what we can put in an article title (no ő and ű here in English wikipedia, for example: Györ), and hunting for all kinds of &#nnnn; codes in the text when editing an article with IPA characters in them for example.

I wish the English (and Dutch and the rest — if the Spanish did it, why can’t others‽) Wikipedia would convert to Unicode finally.

-- Ralesk 01:55, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Template
Hey Faraaz, thanks for userfying the template for me. It wasn't intended to be a fork. I was just trying to play around with the color without messing up the real one, and was going to reword it slightly, but no big change, so it's more appropriate on a user subpage anyway. Many thanks, SlimVirgin <sup style="color:purple;">(talk) 02:58, Jun 27, 2005 (UTC)

daily article
(sorry, put this on my talk page by accident)

try this version (source). —kate

ps. finlay fixed the flower :) thanks

MediaWiki:Dberrortext
Thanks for fixing the spelling error in that MediaWiki page. Can you also add a link to Bug reports where that page mentions bugs? Also see talk in MediaWiki talk:Dberrortext. Thanks! -- Paddu 19:41, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

[no title]
hey frazz, i love you long time, ya i do...o;0)peace will prevail the egyptian pyramids were in actuality built by slaves, hard working slaves, who got nothing in return but sore backs, and broken bones, but the original templates were in fact created by aliens, who are in essence, us coming back from the future to tell our sorry selves that we need to shape up or ship out;

peace will prevail [-205.188.116.66]

peace will prevail
Hilter was a horrid man, who killed millions, if not billions, in the holo, of jews for the sake of his own horrificness

he was also a talented artist,who was brought up beaten and maimed by his tyrannical mother, who didn't love or care for him the way she should have, but that is no excuse,and besides the point

it's just a warning to all those mothers out there who treat their kids like dooty, it is a perpetual cycle, if you do not break the cyle it will continue forever.

hitler, who killed himself, and so did his girlfriend b/c he was too much of a pussy to stand up for himself and take the punishment that he had coming to him, people like that should be eradicated from the earth.

peace will prevail in this cynical jaded world.

peace with prevail from the hilters of the world.peace will prevail all evil,

from now until eternity.

good-bye stupid hitlers of the world, you are now eradicated; peace

and it's a good thing he died, because there should, and never will be people such as that in the world ever again.

peace will prevail; peace will prevail; preace will prevail;peace will prevail

pwp

Did you know header
There was a reason the "Did you know" h3 header was on the main page. If it's included in the template it messes up section editing in the pages it's used on. We'll have to change the main page as well until we can find a work around for that... - Mgm|(talk) 09:11, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Daily email
Hi Frazzydee,

Raul654 tells me that you are currently managing the script that sends out the daily FeaturedArticle to a mailing list. Could you take a look at Wikipedia_talk:Picture_of_the_day and comment on the feasibility of adding POTD to the email, or possibly a separate distribution. I understand that Kate wrote the original script, so it may not be easy to make changes.

I'm currently running POTD, but I've not seen the daily FA email so I don't know whether this is a good idea or not. -- Solipsist 16:03, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

WDMA
I just wanted to refer you back to your comment on Talk:WDMA. ;) Now that it's dead, you can see it was quite real. --Golbez 00:01, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Hello?Can you help?
Hi,you may not know me,but I own the sockpuppet User:203.124.2.8.A hacker has used it to vandalise Wikipedia.For the safety of articles,can you block this sockpuppet?P.S.It is not me who vandalised!It is a hacker!Thank you!Tdxiang 12:41, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Block

Barnstar
I feel terrible for not seeing this until now, but thank you so much for the barnstar that you awarded me. To be honest, I've barely had any time at all for Wikipedia over the past few months, since I've been focusing more on school (I'm in my last year before university). I'm going to try and start editing more, as my schedule permits, but the workload this year has been fairly heavy thus far.

Again, thank you so much for the barnstar that you so kindly awarded me. I just hope that I can live up to all the wonderful things you've said about me; I will certainly try my best, but I must also prioritize to ensure that my marks do not suffer.

Yours truly, Frazzydee|✍ 03:20, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * No problem at all lol! I find my Wikipedia usage has been going down as well, just because so many other people are taking up the slack that things that were on my to-do list are getting done so I can sit back and watch it all happen :).

 * Its good the FARC project is going along well, Wikipedia is becoming big enough that the factuality component, instead of completeness and coverage, is becoming important.

 * Bye for now, --ShaunMacPherson 11:55, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

User Categorisation
You were listed on the Wikipedians/Ontario page as living in or being associated with Ontario. As part of the User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit Category:Wikipedians in Ontario for instructions.--Rmky87 03:05, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm not interested in categorizing my user page, but thanks anyways. -Frazzydee|✍ 15:45, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Ancient tfds
Back in July, you removed the discussions of Template:AubreyMaturinSeries, Template:Dangerous, Template:Policysuspended, and Template:TPOV, all of which had unanimous consensus for deletion, from WP:TFD. However, the templates were never deleted, and I find no mention of them in either the deleted or not-deleted logs. Were these oversights, or am I missing something? —Cryptic (talk) 09:23, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Semi-automated template substitution

 * This page was modified to semi-automatically substitute templates using Pathoschild's template list. // Tawker 11:23, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

title: User talk:Frazzydee/Archive2


text:
Template talk:Hebrew alphabet

Here's an option
with the hebrew formatting Epson291 08:18, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

IPA characters
Special characters when used in the IPA transcriptions in this template are illegible in Internet Explorer. I tried to correct this in the approved manner using the IPA template but having one template inside another does not seem to work. --rossb 23:03, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It seems to work for me... (One just gets lost in a mess of {braces}!) So I've included the IPA template: let me know if it works now. --jnothman talk 01:03, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks - it seems fine now. --rossb 11:11, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Blank spaces in the table
Rather than in the beginning, should the blank spaces be in the end, like this:

←Humus sapiens←ну? 07:17, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I may be a bit biased, but I prefer it as it is. It is intended to be centred as it is, and it is also balanced because the wider columns are all the rightmost three, whereas yours looks more arbitrary. jnothman talk 11:18, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Personally, I like Humus' version better. It looks much cleaner.  The way it is now looks rather sloppy.  Tom e rtalk  18:32, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Two other options for general consumption and consideration:

--Eliyak T · C 16:43, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Additions
On the model of {{Arabic alphabet}}, I added some stuff to the bottom of the template. We could really use a History of the Hebrew alphabet article to link to... Tom e rtalk 18:32, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: Template talk:Hebrew alphabet


text: User talk:209.181.19.117

title: User talk:209.181.19.117


text:
't kofschip

The 't kofschip (, the merchant-ship), 't fokschaap (the breeding sheep), also often referred to as kofschiptaxi or soft ketchup (among foreign language learners), rule is a mnemonic that determines the endings of a regular Dutch verb in the past indicative/subjunctive and the ending of the past participle. This rule should not be confused with the so-called T-rules (t-regels).

Rule
The rule goes as follows:

"If the verb-root of a weak verb ends in one of the consonants of 't kofschip, being $⟨t⟩$, $⟨k⟩$, $⟨f⟩$, $⟨s⟩$, $⟨ch⟩$, and $⟨p⟩$, the past tense ends in -te(n) and the past participle (voltooid deelwoord) in -t. If the verb-root ends in any other consonant or in a vowel, the past tense ends in -de(n) and the past participle in -d."

For example:

Because of the idiosyncrasies of Dutch spelling, some forms are spelled in unexpected ways. The past tense forms of proeven and blozen are written with f and s, as Dutch spelling rules permit the letters v and z only at the beginning of a syllable; however the pronunciation remains and. Words may not end in a double consonant, so the past participles gerust, geland and gered do not get an additional -d. See Dutch orthography for more information.

Because of regular final-obstruent devoicing, the past participle ending is pronounced with a voiceless even though d is spelled. When the participle is inflected (in accordance with a following noun), the devoicing is undone, like in other words. Thus geland, geleegd , geproefd inflect to gelande , geleegde , geproefde  respectively.

Further details
On a phonological level, the rule is a form of voicing assimilation: the consonant of the past-tense ending takes on the voicing of whatever sound precedes it. Thus, the endings beginning with voiceless -t- are used after voiceless consonants, while the endings beginning with voiced -d- are used after voiced consonants and vowels (which are always voiced). Similar rules appear in several other Germanic languages, such as Swedish and English. In English, the rule is not usually reflected in spelling, but is still regular in pronunciation: compare raced and razed.

Because the rule is intended only as an educational tool, it only covers the basic Dutch vocabulary which consists mostly of native Germanic verbs. It cannot be applied to verbs with "new" phonemes such as and, nor to foreign words whose spelling was not completely adapted to Dutch spelling. It also cannot be used for initialisms. In these cases, only the underlying voicing of the pronounced final consonant can be used to determine the ending. For example:

title: 't kofschip


text:
2007 Rugby World Cup – repechage qualification

During the 2007 Rugby World Cup qualification, there were two repechage positions available for the finals tournament.

Round 1
Portugal won 26–20 on aggregate.

Round 2
Portugal won 24–23 on aggregate.


text: Category:Macedonian singers

title: Category:Macedonian singers


text:
Pefletti

In Finland, a pefletti (Finnish and colloquial Finland Swedish) is a sheet of paper, cardboard, cloth, foam rubber or other soft material that is placed on the sauna bench and then sat on.

Purpose
The purpose of pefletti is to maintain sanitary conditions in a sauna with a wide user base by preventing genital contact with the bench. Another reason is to prevent uncomfortable feeling because of the heat. The pefletti come in both disposable and re-usable varieties.

The word pefletti is a combination of the Finnish words "peffa", which is a mild slang word for one's behind, and "tabletti", meaning placemat. The pefletti has a role in the very traditional yet various sauna habits in Finland.

The larger kind of "pefletti" made of linen or cotton fabric, that covers either the majority of the width of the sauna bench, or a single seat of the bench and backrest for one sitter is called a laudeliina. This cloth is usually washed after each use and used for sanitary and comfort purposes such as the pefletti.

title: Pefletti


text:
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SWF 'n Slide Pro

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3 talk 13:09, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

SWF 'n Slide Pro
Subject is too unimportant to get a wikipedia article, plus article looks like advertising. Delete. Peter S. 12:01, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete no evidence of notability - not all software is encyclopedic. CDC   (talk)  19:36, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn Pete.Hurd 06:00, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Henry Ducie Chads

Admiral Sir Henry Ducie Chads, (24 February 1788 – 7 April 1868) was an officer in the Royal Navy who saw action from the Napoleonic Wars to the Crimean War.

Family background
Chads was born in Marylebone, London, the eldest son of Captain Henry Chads, R.N. (died on 20 October 1799) and his wife, Susannah. He was baptised at three weeks old at St Marylebone Parish Church. He was the brother of Lieutenant-colonel John Cowell Chads, who died, President of the British Virgin Islands at Tortola on 28 February 1854, aged 60.

Career
Chads entered the Royal Naval Academy in Portsmouth as a 12-year-old on 25 October 1800, and in 1803 embarked aboard the 74-gun ship of the line HMS Excellent, sharing in the defence of Gaeta and the capture of Capri. In July 1808, he joined the 36-gun frigate HMS Iphigenia (1808) and during the Mauritius campaign distinguished himself at the occupation of the Île de la Passe, gateway to the Isle de France (now Mauritius). On the defeat of the British squadron by the French, he was made prisoner, but was rescued from captivity when the British captured Mauritius, and re-appointed first lieutenant of Iphigenia.

In December 1812, as senior Lieutenant of the frigate HMS Java, he distinguished himself in the battle between that ship and the American frigate Constitution. Captain Lambert having been mortally wounded, Chads (himself severely wounded) continued the struggle, until compelled to surrender after nearly four hours' fighting. This action secured promotion and the command of the sloop Columbia. Chads afterwards served at Guadeloupe in 1815. In 1823, he was prominent in the expedition against Rangoon, as a result of which he was made post-captain on 25 July 1825, created a Companion of the Bath, and received the thanks of the Government of India, and praise in the British House of Commons. He was next engaged in forcing the passage of the Bocca Tigris prior to the First Opium War in September 1834, aboard HMS Andromache (1832), which he commanded from 1834 to 1837.

In 1841-5 he was on the Chinese station in command of, and then commanded the Royal Navy's gunnery school HMS Excellent. Chads reformed the whole system of naval gunnery, both as regards weight of metal and rapidity of fire. He was promoted to rear-admiral on 12 January 1854 and, flying his flag in HMS Edinburgh, was third in command of the fleet sent to the Baltic under Sir Charles Napier, who claimed that Chads 'knew more about gunnery than any man in the service'. He was one of the leaders in the bombardment and capture of the fortress of Bomarsund. He struck his flag in 1855, and as a reward for his services was created a Knight Commander of the Bath. From 1856 to the end of 1858, he was Commander-in-Chief, Queenstown, being promoted to vice-admiral on 24 November 1858, and then to full admiral on 3 December 1863. In 1865 was created Knight Grand Cross of the Bath.

In literature
Chads makes a brief appearance, in his heroic role as First Lieutenant of the Java, in the novel The Fortune of War by Patrick O'Brian.

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Côte Chalonnaise

Côte Chalonnaise is a subregion of the Burgundy wine region of France. Côte Chalonnaise lies to the south of the Côte d'Or continuing the same geology southward. It is still in the main area of Burgundy wine production but it includes no Grand cru vineyards. Like the Côte d'Or, it is at the western edge of the broad valley of the river Saône, on the rising ground overlooking the town of Chalon-sur-Saône which is about six kilometers out into the plain. To the north, across the River Dheune, lies the Côte de Beaune. To the south is the Mâconnais. The grapes of the region are predominantly Pinot noir and Chardonnay with some Aligoté and Gamay also grown in vineyards spread over a stretch of 25 kilometers long and 7 kilometers wide of undulating land in which vineyards are interspersed with orchards and other forms of farming.

The wine-producing communes of the Côte Chalonnaise are, from the north: Bouzeron, the only communal AOC for Aligoté still wine; Rully, which has 23 premier cru vineyards and is known for its white wines as well as being a center for Crémant sparkling wines production; Mercurey, which with 30 premier cru vineyards is the largest volume producer of the region, its wines being nearly all red; Givry, with 17 premier cru vineyards producing mostly red wines; and Montagny, which produces only white wines in its 49 premier cru vineyards.

History
The Côte Chalonnaise is named after the town of Chalon-sur-Saône, located on the Saône. Its location made the town an important trading centre of the Celts in Gaul. The region was later used by the Ancient Romans with wine being one of the commodities traded up and down the river. More than 20,000 amphorae stamped with Roman emblems have been found in graves in this area. In the 18th it was a vital link on the Canal du Centre which linked the wine regions of the south of France to the key markets in the north.

In the 1980s, the region experienced a renaissance highlighted with a substantial jump in quality wine production. With the price of Burgundy wine steadily escalating, the Côte Chalonnaise developed a reputation for consistent quality for lower cost than some of the more well known villages of Burgundy. This led to a sharp increase in the price of wines from the Côte Chalonnaise which brought an influx of investment and money to the region. By the early 21st century, the prices on the wine market were beginning to experience some market correction.

Climate and geography
South of the village of Santenay in the Côte de Beaune region is the city of Chagny which begins the Côte Chalonnaise. The climate and vineyard soils of the Côte Chalonnaise are very similar to those of the Côte d'Or, though the rainfall is slightly less. However, unlike the Côte d'Or, the vineyards of the Côte Chalonnaise do not run along the slopes of a single escarpment but rather are three isolated on patches of limestone. The first patch of vineyards located northwest of Chalon-sur-Saône includes the villages of Bouzeron, Rully and Mercurey which is separated by only a few km from the second patch of vineyards around the village of Givry. Located due west from Saint-Rémy and southwest of Chalon-sur-Saône this patch is nearly 5 kilometers from the third patch of vineyards that make up the Montagny region.

The landscape of the region is much more agrarian than other parts of Burgundy with pastures and orchards interspersed among vineyards. The soft rolling hills of the area reach altitudes between 750-1,050 feet (230–320 metres). These hills provide some protection from frost and hail damage. The soil is predominately limestone mixed with sand and clay and the occasional iron deposit. Around the city of Mercurey, the soil has a high concentration of iron-enriched marl. The diversity in slopes and soils creates a myriad of microclimates that can greatly influence the varying quality of wine from the Côte Chalonnaise, even among vineyards labeled as premier cru.

Appellations
All wine produced in the Côte Chalonnaise qualifies for the Appellation d'origine contrôlée (AOC) Bourgogne Côte Chalonnaise though it is more often declassified to the generic Bourgogne AOC because of the higher name recognition of the later. Sparkling wine made from the region is usually labeled as Crémant de Bourgogne. The Côte Chalonnaise has five village-level AOCs. They are, from north to south: Bouzeron, the only communal AOC for Aligoté still wine; Rully, which has 23 premier cru vineyards and is known for its white wines as well as being a center for Crémant sparkling wines production; Mercurey, which with 30 premier cru vineyards is the largest volume producer of the region, its production being nearly all red; Givry, whose 17 premier cru vineyards also produce mostly red wines; and Montagny which produces only white wines and has 49 premier cru vineyards. There is currently no Grand Cru classed vineyards in the Côte Chalonnaise.

Bouzeron
The village of Bouzeron is noted for its production of Aligoté. In 1979 the AOC Bourgogne Aligoté de Bouzeron was created as a single village level appellation above the generic Bourgogne Aligoté AOC. The move towards designation was spearheaded by the efforts of Aubert de Villaine, co-owner of Domaine de la Romanee-Conti. In 1997 the appellation's name was shortened to simply Bouzeron. Both Pinot noir and Chardonnay are also grown in this area but are usually seen labeled as basic Bourgogne Rouge and Bourgogne Blanc.

There are about 151 acres (61 hectares) planted in the area. The Aligoté wines of this region are more similar in style and fruit characteristics to Pinot gris than to Chardonnay. The wines tend to be light bodied with subtle spice notes that are usually most vibrant up to 5 years after vintage.

Rully
The village of Rully produces about twice as much white Chardonnay than red Pinot noir wines. As of 2008, there was about 756 acres (306 hectares) planted in this area. The soil of the area is sandy and light, producing light bodied wines that are best consumed young. The area is a major source of sparkling Crémant de Bourgogne which benefit from cooler vintages. In warmer years the wines tend to be lively with the whites showing apple notes. More than one sixth of all the vineyards in Rully have premier cru designations. The red wines of Rully tend to have more simple fruit notes, while the higher-quality white wines can display crisp leanness with lemon and nutty notes. The red wines tend to drink at their peak between 5–12 years after vintage while the whites usually drink well between 3–8 years.

Mercurey
The village of Mercurey is the most widely recognised and important wine village of the Côte Chalonnaise, producing more wines than all other village appellations combined. The area is responsible for two out of every three bottles produced in the Côte Chalonnaise. So notable was Mercurey's influence that the entire Côte Chalonnaise was once commonly referred to as Région de Mercurey. Of the 1,600 acres (650 hectares) planted, Pinot noir is the dominated grape variety with over 80% of the region's wine being red. More than one fifth of all the vineyards in Mercurey qualify for premier cru designation. The red wines of the region are characterised by their deep colour, compared to neighbouring regions, and fuller bodies. The red wines of Mercurey were reported the favorite wines of Gabrielle d'Estrées, mistress of King Henry IV of France.

The wines of Mercurey are noted for their spicy cherry notes but the range in quality can be quite varied. The late 20th century saw an influx in vineyard expansion with some new plantings going on sites less suitable for quality viticulture. This expansion has increased the propensity for lower quality Mercurey which can taste watery with its weaker fruit flavours. The rare white wines made in the area are characterised by their minerality and apple notes. Well-made examples typically drink at their peak between 5–12 years after vintage.

Givry
The village of Givry produces many red Pinot noir wines representing more than 90% of the region's production. It is the smallest of all the village appellation but has been the most active and dynamically growing regions in recent years. As of 2008, there was about 541 acres (219 hectares) planted in this area. About one sixth of all the vineyards in Givry have premier cru designations. The red wines are noted for their structure and ability to age well. The white wines of the region are noted for their characteristic licorice notes in the bouquet and slight spicy-butteriness. The red wines of Givry were reportedly the favorite wines of King Henry IV.

Compared to neighboring Mercurey, the red wines of Givry tend to be lighter and ready to drink at a younger age. They often exhibit rustic and earthy flavors. The wines can also have cherry and redcurrant notes that are usually at their peak between 5–12 years after vintage.

Montagny

The region of Montagny — centered on the communes of Buxy, Jully-lès-Buxy, Montagny-lès-Buxy and Saint-Vallerin — is completely devoted to white Chardonnay production. Historically any vineyard in the region could qualify for premier cru designation, provided the alcohol content of the wine produced from the vineyard was at least 11.5% before chaptalization. In recent years the vineyards of Montagny have been classified in accordance with the same standards as the rest of the Côte Chalonnaise, but the area still boasts the highest concentration of premier cru vineyards with more than 490 acres (199 hectares) out of 736 acres (298 hectares) qualifying.

The whites of Montagny are noted for their acidity and body. They range in style from the lean, lively acidity characteristic of white Rully to the heavier oakiness of wines from Côte de Beaune. These wines can normally drink at their peak between 3–10 years after vintage. The area also makes some sparkling Crémant de Bourgogne.

Viticulture and winemaking
The viticulture and winemaking practices of the Côte Chalonnaise are very similar to those of the Côte d'Or. However, yields are generally higher here with up to 10.5 gallons per 120 square yards (40 litres per 100 square metres) permitted. The exception is the region of Mercurey which maintains its yield restrictions to the same levels as the Côte d'Or. Grapes are normally harvested from late September to early October. Both red and whites are fermented in oak barrels with premium producers more likely to use new oak. The wines are usually aged for 6 to 10 months, being bottled in the late summer before the next vintage harvest. Depending on the quality of the vintage and winemaking practices, some Côte Chalonnaise can be prone to oxidation.

Grapes and wines
The principal grapes of the Côte Chalonnaise are the same major grapes found throughout Burgundy — Pinot noir and Chardonnay. Additionally there is significant plantings of Aligoté around the town of Bouzeron. Other minor grapes of the region include Gamay, Melon de Bourgogne, Pinot blanc and Pinot gris (known locally as Pinot Beurot). The Gamay that is grown here is often blended with lower quality Pinot noir to make Bourgogne Passe-Tout-Grains. In addition to still wine production, a sizable amount of sparkling wine is also produced. The wines of the Côte Chalonnaise are often very fruit-forward in their youth. The white wines of the region are characterized by their toasty, smokey notes due to fermentation in oak barrels.

Wine expert Jancis Robinson describes them as "country cousins" in contrast to the more well known wines of the Côte d'Or but praises the wines for their usefulness as early drinking wines that usually do not require much aging. Rather than compare them to the Côte d'Or, wine expert Tom Stevenson recommends thinking of the wines of the Côte Chalonnaise as more of a better quality Mâconnais than a lower quality Côte de Beaune. Master of Wine Mary Ewing-Mulligan praises the wines of the Côte Chalonnaise for their relative affordability in contrast to the wines of the Côte d'Or. She describes the red wines as being on par with some of the lower village appellations of the Côte d'Or, having less complex aromas and earthier flavors. The lower cost of the wines leads to their regular appearance on restaurant wine lists.

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Talk:Piggies

George Orwell
this song makes me think of Animal Farm! What's up Dr. Strangelove 01:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Other
The pigs in the starched white shirts are the press. They are stirring up the dirt around them, but always remain clean themselves.

Or perhaps some backhanded reference to animal farm. original research so dont include

It is said that Piggies is alot like "Eveline" by Django Reinhardt and Stephane Grappelli

 * Since this comment the comparison with Orwell has been sourced and included, but it doesn't work in my opinion - there are "little piggies" and cannibalistic "bigger piggies", in other words the piggies represent all human society, not just a ruling elite 81.101.197.228 (talk) 12:16, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Change from low to mid importance
works for me.  + +Lar: t/c 12:49, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Genre
Is the genre really rock? It is mentioned baroque and blues. Helpsloose 00:12, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

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"Baroque" style?
Seems like a rather bold claim to make, and a highly opinionated one at that. Is there any reputable source to support this? Attys (talk) 00:12, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Antonin Dvorak. Theme & Variations in A-flat major, Op.36 - Variation VIII. I happened to catch a short section that compares to a short section in Piggies. --Xparasite9 (talk) 01:04, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

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Length
I haven't recently checked out every article on Beatles songs, but I have looked at quite a few. It seems to me this is one of the longest. Does "Piggies" really warrant this much analysis? I think, for instance, the Manson section could be, maybe, two sentences. Wondering what others thing. --Daveler16 (talk) 14:32, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

"Helter Skelter theory"
The article states that this theory was Manson's, when in fact it is a hypothesis put forward by Vincent Bugliosi, as evidenced by the Wikipedia article on the subject: Helter_Skelter_(Manson_scenario).Xelkman (talk) 21:26, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not "evidenced" as such by what currently appears in the lead at Helter Skelter (scenario) – it just happens that an editor has worded the lead there to say as much. That's not to say I don't take your point to some extent: the related statements in this song article do need some qualification. But, Manson did interpret "Piggies" and other White Album songs as the Beatles foretelling of an apocalyptic race/class war and he believed the Beatles were communicating with him personally. This is according to some of his followers and associates, eg per a recent Ruling Stone article. He kept trying to contact the Beatles, apparently – that's referred to early on in a 1970 article (a mammoth piece, again in Rolling Stone), when David Dalton writes: "Why haven’t they gotten in touch? A simple phone call would do it. Surely they’ve received the telegrams, the letters. Surely they realize that he knows, he understands their glorious revelation; that he understands the whole fucking double album. Everywhere there’s lots of piggies / Living piggy lives ..."
 * In that same 1970 article, about halfway down the page, Manson says when asked about his interpretation of the Book of Revelations, chapter 9: "It’s the battle of Armageddon. It’s the end of the world. It was the Beatles’ “Revolution 9” that turned me on to it. It predicts the overthrow of the Establishment. The pit will be opened, and that’s when it will all come down. A third of all mankind will die ..."
 * He's then asked "Can you explain the prophecies you found in the Beatles’ double album?" When prompted with four song titles, Manson draws a diagram of some sort and says, "This bottom part is the subconscious. At the end of each song there is a little tag piece on it, a couple of notes. Or like in “Piggies” there’s “oink, oink, oink.” Just these couple of sounds. And all these sounds are repeated in “Revolution 9.” Like in “Revolution 9,” all these pieces are fitted together and they predict the violent overthrow of the white man. Like you’ll hear “oink, oink,” and then right after that, machine gun fire. [He sprays the room with imaginary slugs.] AK-AK-AK-AK-AK-AK!"
 * When asked if the Beatles intended the songs in that way, he says, "I think it’s a subconscious thing. I don’t know whether they did or not. But it’s there. It’s an association in the subconscious. This music is bringing on the revolution, the unorganized overthrow of the Establishment. The Beatles know in the sense that the subconscious knows."
 * I don't pretend to have any expertise on this, and would welcome input from someone who does. But it's clearly not true that Manson's theory about the Beatles' White Album relating to the overthrow of the Establishment was just a scenario invented by Vincent Bugliosi. What is accurate is that Bugliosi, supported by testimony from some of Manson's associates, tied together a scenario whereby Manson's Beatles/White Album obsession and his hold over the Family led to the murders in August 1969. JG66 (talk) 05:13, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

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Neva Masquerade

The Neva Masquerade is a breed or sub-breed of long-haired domestic cat, which originates in Russia. It is the sister breed or colourpoint variant of the Siberian cat, a centuries-old Russian landrace. The colourpoint markings are the result of a colourpoint gene originally found in Siamese cats. The Neva Masquerade is believed to be derived from crossing the Siberian cat with Asian colourpoint cats, such as the Siamese or Thai, or possibly cats related to those, such as the colourpointed Persian cats. Some cat registries may classify the Neva Masquerade as a colourpoint variety or sub-breed of the Siberian cat, while others consider it to be a separate sister breed. Regardless of its classification, all Neva Masquerade cats are selectively bred and pedigreed today in all major cat fancier and breeder organisations under the Siberian (Forest) cat or Neva Masquerade. This means that all Neva Masquerade cats are purebred cats with a formally registered ancestry.

The colourpoint Neva Masquerade has distinctive blue eyes and dark point markings. It is a medium to large sized, muscular long-hair breed with a bushy tail. Apart from the obvious similarities with the Siberian cat, the cat bears similarities with the Norwegian forest cat, and with other colourpoint long-haired cats, such as the Birman, Himalayan, and Ragdoll.

Etymology
The term Neva Masquerade is derived from Neva, for the river in St. Petersburg, where they are said to have originated.

History

References of the ancient Siberian cat breed date back a thousand years, but the colourpoint variety did not appear until the 1970-80s. It is believed that colourpointed cats of Asian origin, or their descendants, were naturally or intentionally crossed into the Siberian breed to achieve the Siamese colourpoint gene. During the introduction of the Siberian cat to Western European countries and the USA in the late 1980s, the traditional coloured Siberians and colourpointed Neva Masquerade cats were both presented. The Siberian breed was generally recognised in the late 1990s by the cat fancy, however some registries chose to not accept colourpoint varieties in the Siberian breed and made the Neva Masquerade into a separate breed.

Subsequently, the classification of the Neva Masquerade is a highly debated topic under breeders, enthusiasts, organisations, and (inter)national cat registries of the Siberian and Neva Masquerade cat. Some registries such as TICA and CFA accept the Neva Masquerade point colouration as being a natural coat colour within the Siberian cat breed. However, they are classified as a separate breed, the Neva Masquerade, by other registries, such as FIFe, WCF, CCA-AFC, and ACF.

Colouration
The pointed Neva Masquerade always has blue eyes, but the intensity of blue can vary. It has an overall light coat colour with darker solid or tabby point markings on its head, legs, and tail. The tabby point marking is sometimes referred to as lynx point (mostly in North America). The point colouration includes the colours:

Several cat registries do not permit the colour varieties chocolate, lilac, cinnamon, fawn, caramel, and apricot, and the colourpoint varieties sepia and mink, in the breed. All accepted colours are allowed in solid point or in combination with a tabby or tortoiseshell pattern. Any amount of white spotting is permitted. The golden and silver (incl. smoke) factors are allowed in tabby, tipped and shaded banding.
 * black (seal, brown),
 * blue,
 * red,
 * cream,
 * tortoiseshell (tortie) and tortoiseshell tabby (torbie),
 * silver or smoke, and
 * golden.

The colour intensity of the point markings spread from a light tipping to a nearly full body coverage. As with other colourpoint cats, the Neva Masquerade is nearly white at birth and develop their darker coloured markings whilst aging. The Siamese colourpoint pattern is controlled by a heat-sensitive enzyme, which result in darker pigmented extremities on the cooler body parts, i.e. the legs, tale, and head. Colder living environments will additionally darken the fur, even as a full-grown adult.

Solid-white
These colourpoint markings can be mixed with any amount of white spotting. However, completely white (solid-white) cats are not considered Neva Masquerades, as they do not have the Siamese colourpoint marking. The solid-white colouring is considered Western, and is one of the many colours of traditional Siberian cats. Solid-white Siberian cats can also have blue eyes, however this is due to lack of melanin pigment and not a result of the colourpoint gene. Solid-white blue-eyed cats have a higher prevalence of genetic deafness. It is advisable and in most cat registries (and certain countries) mandatory to test (BEAR- or OAE-testing) white cats for this trait before breeding with them.

Body
Known to be an exceptionally agile jumper, the Neva Masquerade is a strong and powerfully-built cat, with strong hindquarters and large, well-rounded paws. Their bushy tail is medium in length and slightly shorter than the torso length. Their body lengths varies in size from medium to large. Neva Masquerades have firm, barrel-shaped torsos, and stockier builds than other cats. The general impression of the body is one of circles and roundness.

Neva Masquerades have a slight arch to their back, because their hind legs are slightly longer than the front legs. This shape and the power in their hind legs contribute to their incredible agility and enables them to jump exceptionally high.

Neva Masquerades develop rather slow, reaching their fully matured body at about five years of age. Female Neva Masquerades are considerably smaller than males. Full-grown adults weigh on average between 4.5-9 kg.

Face
The characteristic round shapes are also clearly visible in the facial features of the Neva Masquerade. Their round face consists of a broad forehead at the top of its skull and narrows slightly to a full-rounded nozzle. The eyes are large and round, and give an overall sweet expression to their face. The outer corners are slightly angled towards the base of their ears. Their medium sized ears are broad at the base and rounded at the tip. They are slightly tilted forwards and should be set as much on the sides of the head as on top, preferably one to one and one half ear width apart. Lynx ear tipping is allowed.

Fur coat
Neva Masquerades express the three natural types of feline fur: guard hair, awn hair, and down hair. These three layers form a semi-long to long, well developed, very dense triple-coat, from which the guard hairs are water-repellent. This dense triple-coat protects the cat from the Russian weather extremes. The thick fur is textured but glossy, and needs frequent grooming to prevent matting. The summer coat is distinctly shorter than the winter coat. Because the Neva Masquerades are a slow-maturing breed, it can take several years for the coat of young cats to fully develop.

Neva Masquerade cats moult twice a year. They will shed their heavy winter coat during spring. This winter moult is instigated not by a change in temperature but by a change in day length. Many Neva Masquerades will experience a less intense "mini-moult" at the end of the summer season to prepare for their thick winter coat, unlike other cats, which will experience a "heavy moult" more than twice a year. However, they will still lose fur year-round and need to be groomed daily in order to prevent their dense triple coat from matting. The Siberian Neva Masquerade cat has been noted for its hypoallergenic properties primarily attributed to lower levels of the Fel d 1 protein.

Colourpoint gene
The Neva Masquerade carries the same colourpoint gene (c.904G>A, a variant of the TYR gene) as the Siamese, which can also be found in other cat breeds related to the Siamese, namely the Birman, Himalayan (colourpoint Persian), Ragdoll and Toybob. This Siamese colourpoint mutation provides the distinctive dark point markings and bright blue eyes in Neva Masquerade cats. The gene pool of the Siberian and the Neva Masquerade share a significant overlap, as the two have been crossbred for many years. Nowadays, commercial tests exists for point mutations, which allows breeders to specifically target carriers of the popular point gene.

Differences with Siberian cats
Although the Neva Masquerade shares many characteristics with the Siberian in terms of character and appearance, recent studies have shown distinctions between the two in terms of body language, vocalisatons, and feline hereditary diseases.

Research on the body language and vocalisation of the two sister breeds showed that Neva Masquerade cats behaved more stressful and fearful in isolation compared to Siberian cats. The vocalisation of Siberian cats is spread over a broader energy spectrum than the Neva Masquerade, which probably results in more diverse sounds in the Siberian cat.

Polycystic kidney disease (PKD) is a feline heredity disease, which is highly prevalent in the Persian cat gene pool. The heredity disease has not been found in the gene pool of traditional Siberians, however it is diagnosed in a Neva Masquerade male cat. Genetic analysis confirmed the inherited pattern of PKD in its relatives. The origin of the Neva Masquerade is unclear, and some believe it is related to the Persian cat, which may explain the prevalence of PKD in this breed. PKD should be considered as a possible cause of chronic renal failure in this breed.

Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy (HCM) stands as a significant health concern in the feline world particularly in Siberian cats. HCM is characterized by the thickening of the heart's muscle walls which can lead to various complications including heart failure, arterial thromboembolism and sudden death.

These differences between the two sister breeds seem surprising, as they are treated as one breed by many cat enthusiasts and are allowed to be mixed with each other by most breeding registries. Further studies are needed, as these study results are just the beginning of the research on the two sister breeds. Especially, the prevalence of PKD in the Neva Masquerade gene pool is of concern as crossbreeding the two sister breeds could potentially spread PKD into the Siberian breed.

title: Neva Masquerade