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Talk:1992 Pacific hurricane season

Todo
It needs at least a one sentence description of every storm to be a start.--Nilfanion (talk) 09:39, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I sort of did that! (RaNdOm26 17:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC))

 * Nice. Now storm histories are needed for all of them for it to be B class. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:37, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Content and references are minimal, not to mention many SPAG (spelling and grammar) errors. I lowered it to high-importance, since there's no way it's among the most notable hurricane articles. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:48, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I do think it should be raised back to top importance. YE  Pacific   Hurricane  18:28, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

18-E?
Wasn't that the depression that Iniki formed from? Thus, in the article the section that says "Tropical Depression Eighteen-E" should be deleted. Source: here juan andrés 06:12, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed it was. It'd be redundant to have both it and Iniki in the article. --Core desat  06:23, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

TODO 2
An important season must have a nice article. First of all, I removed 18-E, as it was the depression that later developed into hurricane Iniki. Then, the season summary must be more complete. Also, most of the storms are lacking of vital or even, any information and all inline sources must be cited. It is also important to replace those dead external links live and relevant ones. And finally, but not least, add the ACE chart with an explanatory and well written paragraph. This article really needs a lot of work. juan andrés 06:18, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Done. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox Happy Veterans day 16:32, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Tracks and Pics
Is anyone ever going to add tracks for this season's depressions? (Two-E, Twelve-E, and Three-C) and are there pics of any of these systems? If so, It'd be great to add them. Hurricanekiller1994 (talk) 21:58, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Ward
Now that we have Ward, the season ties with the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, with 28 tropical cyclones formed (excluding depressions that never became storms). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.101.46.183 (talk) 03:04, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Correct. YE  Tropical   Cyclone
 * Is Ward oficially considered a TC by CPHC while being east of the Dateline? ABC paulista (talk) 05:20, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Why Ward should be mentioned here? Only JTWC considers that Ward formed east of the International Dateline, neither JMA nor CPHC counts it as a tropical cyclone before crossing into WPAC. And there are tons of storms that JTWC considers that formed in CPAC but aren't supported by CPHC and they aren't mentioned in their respective PHSs here. So, why it should be differnt for Ward? ABC paulista (talk) 16:55, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * My view is quite simple we are here to mention all tropical cyclones even if they are unofficial or only monitored by one warning agency - it is after all one of the reasons why we have the other systems sections in the other Pacific basins.Jason Rees (talk) 17:01, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * But in almost all other Pacific Hurricane seasons we have other storms in the same situation of Ward (Typhoon Owen of 1990, Typhoon Dan of 1992, etc), but only Ward is mentioned. No other PHS article has a other systems section.ABC paulista (talk) 17:09, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Then be bold and add them in - They don't have to count towards the overall total or have the infobox.Jason Rees (talk) 17:32, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with including Ward, but why is there a level 2 header for the other storms section after a level 2 header for storms section. I think Ward should get a full-blown section unless you want to put TD's in the other storms section. YE Pacific  Hurricane 17:56, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Why? Since TDs are now included on BT and receive full reports, and they are not as common as on other basins (WPAC and the Southern ones, for example), it wouldn't make sense to include them on that section. I think that other storms section should be created only to add unofficial TCs. And probably, I'll add at least one more TC to this article's other storms section (most certainly Typhoon Dan). ABC paulista (talk) 18:25, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I didnt suggest adding NHC TD's to OS - YE did, however, looking at the ones in this season it may make sense too since there isn't a lot of information in their sections.Jason Rees (talk) 19:14, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, cited the wrong nick. I was supposed to ping . ABC paulista (talk) 19:24, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Right now, it's problematic since there are 2 level 2 headers, one for storms and one for other storms. Back then, FYI, TD's did not get TCR's, which is why I suggested putting them in an other storms section. YE Pacific  Hurricane 14:12, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * But now the TDs have reports, even the old ones. At least, the CPHC's ones. And all of them were included into HURDAT. ABC paulista (talk) 16:04, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * No one is saying that every single tropical depression from every season, should go into the other storms/systems section. However, with the limited information we have on most of the tropical depressions for this season, it kind of makes sense to investigate lumping them in one section.Jason Rees (talk) 16:18, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

I don't think either "Other storm" needs an infobox. It makes the section longer than it should be. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:09, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

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About the season summary track... the quality is low with JPEG
From July 2017, please change the summary map into png. See: 2005 Pacific Hurricane Season. Because in 2016, i'm glad for this! Please, change now the summary map to JPEG into PNG. --FrancoLeymas (talk) 21:53, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of Tropical Storm Zeke (1992) into 1992 Pacific hurricane season
Nothing here that couldn't told in the season section. The impact to land was WP:ROUTINE and simply being the Xth storm isn't a qualifier for an article. Noah, AATalk 14:53, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - minimal impacts. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:47, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support quite boring storm 2003  LN  6  03:49, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support merge – I likewise find nothing to indicate notability. Drdpw (talk) 13:45, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:1991 Pacific hurricane season

Todo
To whomever is working on this article, the section for Hurricane Fefa should probably be shorter. That's why there is a separate article. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 00:54, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

OK. Got it. juan andrés 04:23, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I have just rewritten the article from start to finish. I believe that I have resolved the concerns that were brought up in the GA review. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 23:52, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

GA review

 * 1) Well-written - Fail (few typos)
 * Compelling prose - Fail - Here's a few quick examples. "and certainly could have been associated with a tropical wave." (certainly could have?) "the next day (dates should be written out) "when upper level shear increased as a strong anticyclone centered south of Baja California" (not a complete thought) "A well organized tropical wave over northern Africa that formed for the last three days, moved off on May 31 and the convection became disorganized while traveling westward across the tropical Atlantic." (very messy sentence)
 * Logical structure - Weak pass - The lede is pretty short, and starts with the dull opener that should be avoided.
 * Follows MOS - Pass
 * Terms are explained -
 * 1) Factually accurate - Fail - Season summary does not have sourcing
 * 2) Broad - Weak Pass, though some places could use more explaining. Discussions could provide info where it otherwise is lacking, like describing how it organized and eyewall diameters
 * 3) Non-POV - Pass
 * 4) Stable - Pass
 * 5) Images - Pass

Metric and imperial units are needed in a lot of places in the article, and the Carlos infobox needs to be fixed. The impact section is useless, given the overall lack of info. For these reasons, I failed the GA, though once these issues are addressed you should try again, given that this is a good base. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:51, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Hurricane Fefa
I took this picture off and replaced it with the main one from the article. It is obviously the same picture as the one currently on 1992 Atlantic hurricane season.Potapych (talk) 00:57, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

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Zelda
We need to look up TY Zelda, for possible inclusion in this article.Jason Rees (talk) 15:10, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Landfalls in the season effects table
Why were landfalls removed when WPTC agreed to bold landfalls in the season effects table here? YE  Pacific   Hurricane  19:01, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Why should we include landfalls in the seasonal effects charts when they arent significant and are just a point. Also why should the SE charts within the NHC AOR be treated any differently to the seasonal effects charts outside of its aor which do not include them.Jason Rees (talk) 19:11, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No, landfalls are pretty significant from a meteorologic standpoint (not as much as affects). Timelines for example, include landfalls because they are significant. Besides, WPTC agreed to bold it, so it's best to go by consensus. Also, I don't know much about the non-NOAA basins, but I don't see why they can't be included over there as well?. YE  Pacific   Hurricane  19:25, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No they are not significant as all they are is a point where the cyclone just happened to come ashore, which is considered pretty non significant since a TC is not a point and damage assessments do not say that at the exact point of landfall XXX amount of damage was done. I also note that the WPTC did not say anything within that link about bolding landfalls or even including them. Also jsut because they are included in our timelines doesnt mean that they are notable. Also i noticed that according to the NHC, Nora crossed the coast but you are not calling it a landfall.Jason Rees (talk) 19:36, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * To make things clear, I am not saying we should list the exact landfall location, we should use the state name. Landfalls are important because where the LLC made landfall is where the worst effects are felt (in most cases). Since they are less important than overall impact, that is why we don't mention every single location, we mention the state. Also, why does this season have a season effects table? They were not that many land impacts, and is pretty much redundant. YE  Pacific   Hurricane  20:14, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, where does the NHC say Nora crossed the coast? The MWR does not say anything about Nora crossing the cost, it clearly states it died offshore. YE  Pacific   Hurricane  20:17, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I strongly believe that a seasonal effects chart summarising the data contained in the article should be present in every season, as it is beneficial for the reader and can help in the verification of seasonal totals when the data is spread out. As for this season i note that of 9 of the 16 systems affected land in some sort of way however I do not see the point of bolding a landfall when it is pretty useless to note in which state a system made landfall in. where it made landfall and and in breach of WP:Bold. As for Nora the MWR does say that it did cross the coast but without an LLCC.Jason Rees (talk) 20:50, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

I think we should do stuff like "Southwestern Mexico" if there's a landfall in Colima, for example. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 21:05, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I had no problem with that, until started referring to the actual area in their WP articles and not general area listed in their respective articles and article strating having Southwestern Mexico and Southern Mexico listed. For this reason, i started using states instead. I suggest if we use that again, we use the NHC defines it in the EAPC book. Also, Nora crossing the coast does not count since it was not a TC at the time. YE   Pacific   Hurricane  21:21, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * As for Nora, that's still an area affected. And what does the NHC do in the book? --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 21:23, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * the NHC breaks it up into Northern Mexico, Southern Mexico, and Baja California. YE  Pacific   Hurricane
 * Eh, "Northern Mexico" is pretty vague. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 21:29, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * We could use the term "Northwestern Mexico" for what the NHC calls "Northern Mexico". YE  Pacific   Hurricane  21:48, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * While i dont care about the precise wording i would like to remind people that bolding things just for the sake of it is against MOS:Bold.Jason Rees (talk) 22:47, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * We are not bolding this just for the sake of it, we are bolding landfalls. YE  Pacific   Hurricane  14:40, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You are though in the eyes of the MOS rules.Jason Rees (talk) 14:55, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:1990 Pacific hurricane season

Comments
I can't get Polo's image. juan andrés 19:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What about this image of it as a tropical depression? It beats nothing. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 19:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. I have finally added Polo's paragraph. If I got something mistaken, or if it missed something, feel free to edit my changes! juan andrés 04:59, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I was the annon user that starts with 201.143... Remember, if you think that Polo's paragraph needs something, feel free to edit it! juan andrés 05:01, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Now Aka was added. I think the only remaining are the depressions. juan andrés 05:40, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

It's at least start class now. Sources are needed for the remaining sections, and depressions are needed as well. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 19:28, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

TODO
Expand the Season Summary and add the depressions, 4 Eastern Pacific and 1 Central Pacific. Add sources to these remaining sections juan andrés 20:25, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Depressions added. Only need to expand season summary. juan andrés 01:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Season summary expanded. If its there something missing you can put it here at TODO. juan andrés 02:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

checked and corrected spelling and grammar errors. Now what does this article need to bump it up to GA-class at least? juan andrés 03:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

copy-edit from Marie to Vance. 201.143.222.207 06:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

copyedit finished. I think this article is ready for GA-class. juan andrés 22:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

GA nominee
Final revisions made to the article. juan andrés 22:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

GA review

 * 1) Well written
 * Compelling prose - Neutral - Leaning towards fail due to a few quick examples I found. "A tropical wave that left Africa in late April emerged into the Atlantic Ocean on April 29." (doesn't it emerge into the Atlantic once it leaves Africa?) "1-E was" (avoid naming depressions by their number) "Shear increased and became bidirectional" (could be worded better) "The wave made an uneventful course" (do many tw's have an eventful course?). That's just in the first two storm summaries.
 * Logical structure - Fail - First, the lede is a bit... dull. I thought the project agreed that the first sentence should give a general description of the article, not the boring technical stuff. Second, the storm sections aren't in the best order. Most other seasonal articles (at least those that are FA's) have one paragraph devoted to storm history and one for impact, though multiple sections have a bit of impact in the middle of the storm history.
 * Manual of style - Pass
 * Technical terms explained - Pass
 * 1) Factually accurate
 * References to all sources - Fail - Some important sections (ACE and summary) don't have references, and two storms have no references
 * Inline citations - Pass
 * Reliable sources - Pass
 * No Original Research - Weak pass - Some important sections (ACE and summary) don't have references, so they could be OR
 * 1) Broad in coverage - Pass
 * 2) Non POV - Pass
 * 3) Stable - Pass
 * 4) Images - Pass

Another problem, there are next to no metric conversions. For these reasons, I failed the GA nomination. Once these issues are addressed, it could pass, as it has a good base right now. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:18, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

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Missing Storm
I don't know who overlooked this and passed the GA, but the season is missing a storm. - HurricaneSpin    (Talk)  20:21, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:1989 Pacific hurricane season

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A decent article needs images to improve its quality juan andrés 04:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Main Article for Kiko?
Is it possible we could make a main article for Hurricane Kiko? it caused severe damage in Baja california, and was one of only 2 major hurricanes to strike the Eastern side of the peninsula. I think it should deserve a main article. Does anyone agree about this? 76.236.187.191 (talk) 21:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It wasn't retired, so it wont get a main article. An article for that storm would be nice but not a main article. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 12:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Wait, I didn't mean a MAIN article; I just meant something like Hurricane Kiko (1989), not just Hurricane Kiko. It was signifigant. Some reasons of why I think it was signifigant include the following:

 * One of just 2 major hurricanes to make landfall on the Eastern side of the Baja Peninsula; the other being Hurricane Olivia in 1967.

 * One of only 5 storms named Kiko.

 * 6th most intense landfalling Pacific Hurricane, according to the Chart to the right.

These are reasons of why I think it should have a main article named Hurricane Kiko (1989). Also, it was strange because it developed out of a Mesoscale Convective System, an area of thunderstorms that forms due to the Orographic Effect. They rarely develop into hurricanes, but with Kiko, it became a category 3 out of this type of system. Do you agree now? Well? Can Kiko have an article? 76.236.187.191 (talk) 21:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

You didn't answer my question; can Kiko have an article saying Hurricane Kiko (1989)? I put some facts it set above which support it. So can it have an article? I know the name wasn't retired after this year but I don't want the article to be just Hurricane Kiko. I want it to be Hurricane Kiko (1989). Do you agree with this? 76.236.187.191 (talk) 22:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Every storm can have an article. However, you just have to wait for an editor to create it. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  21:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

To Do
I am very concerned at the quality of this article and feel that it does not meet the GA standards, i will try and give some feedback here.Jason Rees (talk) 22:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Storm names
To start i will deal with my area of expertise - the names.
 * 1) No names were retired, so the list was used again in the 1995 season. - Reference please the reference at the bottom of the section does not cover it.
 * 2) No names were retired, so the list was used again in the 1995 season. The same list was used for the 1983 season, except for the names X, Y, and Z names, which were added to eastern Pacific lists starting in 1985. - please chuck that sentence out and say that This is the same list of names that was used in the 1983 pacific hurricane season, except for the X, Y, and Z names, which were added to the list of names in 1988. (not 1985).
 * 3) The first name used would have been Aka. - Thats not correct, this was the first season that the CPHC named systems themselves using an annual list of names.
 * 4) The reference quoted does not have the naming list for the EPAC - it is just a file of best track anaylsis.

Adolph

 * 1) Please do not use Nautical miles per project standards instead use Miles and KM
 * 2) Reference 5 - needs the forecasters name
 * 3) "Tracking towards the west, the system briefly dissipated on May 30" - This isn't backed up by your source.

Cosme

 * 1) Reference 9 & 10 need the forecasters full name, not his initials. (Gilbert B Clark)
 * 2) On June 18 a tropical disturbance formed off the coast of Mexico. - How many miles or km
 * 3) that the disturbance developed into Tropical Depression Three-E - Grammar needs a had
 * 4) needs more in the way of impact

04E

 * 1) You use an unofficial version of HURDAT to cite the fact that 04E didn't develop - even though their is a report stating the same thing.
 * 2) It also needs a rewrite to expand it.

05E

 * 1) Needs expanding

07E

 * 1) Needs expanding

22E

 * 1) Needs expanding

23E

 * 1) Needs expanding

23E

 * 1) Needs expanding

24E

 * 1) Looks ok and should be used as a template for the rest of the depressions.

Thank you very much for the review. I have addressed theses issues with a few exceptions. I feel the 4-E does not need an expansion because it is at similar length to weak tropical storms. Given the fact that there is a sub-article for cosme I did not expand the impact section. Throughout the article, the only reason why i don't put forecasters name in because the NHC did not list there name. Again, thank you. YE  Tropical   Cyclone  17:35, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

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Where should the season effects table go?
Why was the season effects table moved back? I'd like to point out to you here that I mentioned the season effects table on how it should be in the season summary section along with ACE. I'm sorry, but I don't see any reason not to have it in the season summary section. The effects table summaries the main events in the season, and the season effects section has no other real content in it. Any thoughts on this? YE  Pacific   Hurricane  21:51, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it works better overall as a separate section, and not just added on to the end of the seasonal summary section which should be expanded out further before this topic is listed as a well developed one which is what Good Topics implies.Jason Rees (talk) 22:15, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with the SS being expanded, but if you think about it, what does the season effects table cover? YE  Pacific   Hurricane  22:24, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The effects table is a summary table that provides, generally speaking, the most requested info in once place. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 22:26, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it is a summary. And the seasonal summary section contains the most important info about activity, ect while the lead talks about the notable storms and stuff. YE  Pacific   Hurricane  22:31, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes the seasonal summary section is a summary of the data, but i really think it works better if we have the seasonal effects graphs in a separate especially as they are quite bulky and would take up too much room in the seasonal summary section.Jason Rees (talk) 00:31, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * We could collapse the table as the MOS suggests to do with long tables. YE  Pacific   Hurricane  01:44, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Or we could make it slightly simpler by doing something like this. YE  Pacific   Hurricane  02:24, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The season summary should simply describe generally what happened in the season and effects. The table would fit perfectly there, after all, it IS a summary of the season. -- TheAustinMan (Talk 16:14, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Other systems
I strongly believe that this section is required, as Tropical Depression 23E doesnt have enough to sustain a whole section and nor will some of the other tropical depressions when i have finished cleaning this article up.Jason Rees (talk) 22:29, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I don't think there is a need for such section for post-1988 EPAC TC's, and if it is, it should go in the season summary section IMO. YE  Pacific   Hurricane  22:33, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I strongly believe that there is a need as the seasonal summuary section is meant to describe conditions during the season and not individual TCs.

I think there should be an "other storms" section for all tropical depressions that did not affect land or cross into CPAC. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 22:54, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * What about for modern seasons like 2012? YE  Pacific   Hurricane  22:55, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I was talking about 1989. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 22:55, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, if it is a level 3 header, not a level 2 header or it goes in the season summary section. I think the cutoff for this should be 1990, when TD's got TCR's. YE  Pacific   Hurricane  22:57, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It was always going to be a level 3 header in the subsections of the storms section, as for a cut off we shouldnt have one. If the data can be better presented in an other storms section then we should have it in and not worry about an arbitrary cut off point.Jason Rees (talk) 23:04, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, we will make it a writers decision more or less. If the writer feels that there is not enough content, then he/she should make such a section. YE  Pacific   Hurricane  23:06, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * and what if an editor disagrees with the writers choice? Jason Rees (talk) 23:17, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Then, we have a discussion like we are now :P YE  Pacific   Hurricane  23:30, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

My opinion is that for this season, and past seasons where TCRs were not issued for tropical depressions, a 3rd class header for "Other Storms" under the Storms level 2 header is the most appropriate option, since tropical depressions are storms and shouldn't be separated with a level 2 header. -- TheAustinMan (Talk 16:12, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Just for the record - i wasn't planning on separating them with a level 2 header.Jason Rees (talk) 16:15, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You did put a level 2 header right here. YE  Pacific   Hurricane  16:18, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * And then subsequently corrected it.Jason Rees (talk) 16:22, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Names for 1989

 * Can the stuff on Winnie being used instead of Wallis be removed please? I am requesting this as the 1980 NHOP (pg 19), 1981 (pg 23), 1982 (pg 23), 1983 (pg 24), 1984 (pg 24), 1985 (pg 24), 1987 (pg 27), 1988 (pg 28), 1989 (pg 28) National Hurricane Operational Plans all list Winnie as the name to be used in 1983/1989 not Wallis.Jason Rees (talk) 01:42, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Should be done now. YE Pacific  Hurricane 01:48, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of Hurricane Octave (1989) into 1989 Pacific hurricane season
Fails WP:NWX due to the minimal impact. Most of what's mentioned here could be easily summarized within the season section which seems to be quite lacking as of this point. Noah, AATalk 14:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support, especially since the season article is lacking. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 04:38, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support merge: Nothing remarkable in the storm history and nothing noteworthy about its impact. Thin amount of information available on it overall. Drdpw (talk) 23:46, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Search Stormdata for more impact would be my initial guess because the article is written before we had access to such. YE Pacific Hurricane 16:29, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Support. If anyone wanted to search through Stormdata and through newspaper articles to see if there's enough impacts to warrant an article, sure, bring the article back, but as it is, there's little to even merge into the season article, so it would be very easy to do. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:59, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:1988 Pacific hurricane season

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 * I would also suggest writing some of it in an active voice. Limit the use of words like 'occurred' and 'was', and try some different verbs. It's very good practice.

 * Also, this article was next on my list for satellite images, so I'll eventually have AVHRR images for all of them. Good kitty 20:15, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks and I have fixed much of it to the active voice, hope this fixes the words to avoid problem. Hello32020 22:15, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I am glad to report that this article nomination for good article status has been promoted. Macys123 19:48, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Infoboxes
I'll convert this one later. It's going to take a lot of work because of all the references within the parameters.Potapych (talk) 02:48, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Main Article Link for Kristy
Is there a reason that the "see also" button for Hurricane Kristy is the article about Hurricane Debby (1988)? Is it a mistake? It seems that Kristy has no relation whatsoever with Debby, but Debby's remnants are related with TD Seventeen-E. 64.183.42.55 (talk) 17:34, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Theres a slight link as Kristy and Debby were in the same tropical wave.Jason Rees (talk) 18:15, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It is linked there because they combined to result in flooding in Mexico. YE  Pacific   Hurricane  19:30, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

The Great late July/early August storm outbreak
I posted an image on facebook detailing the ridiculousness of the August 4, 1988 12z satellite image, which detailed the seven current/past/future systems...five of which were in the northeast Pacific (two were near the Gulf and Southeast coasts of the US). Let me know if you wish to include it into the commons...it is from two days after the one used in the summary section. Thegreatdr (talk) 01:49, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes. Add it. YE Pacific Hurricane  03:45, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:1987 Pacific hurricane season

GA hold
I am putting this article on hold because of a few prose problems and because a bit more information is needed.

 * It would improve the descriptions of the storms if you explained where they were somehow, either using distances to familiar landmasses or the coordinate system. It is difficult to understand the descriptions when they say the hurricane moved a certain direction if you don't know where they started out.
 * I noticed that the dots marking the storm's path in some images change color - this is not explained to the reader anywhere on the page. I assumed the different colors indicated different hurricane strengths, but I was not sure.

Prose:
 * The activity this season continued the trend of above average numbers of tropical storms. - When did this trend begin?
 * Two tropical storms moved in from the east. - This is vague - from where to where?
 * The above two have been changed. The first part has been taken out. The second one has been changed to mention the basin boundary of 140 W. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 23:27, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Two tropical storms moved in from the entered this basin from the east by crossing 140°W - This doesn't make sense. Awadewit | talk  22:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Changed again. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 21:53, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * During its life, Adrian paralled the Mexican shoreline far offshore before cyclonically looping over its path when it was a depression. - What does "cyclonically" mean? I'm no hurricane expert, obviously. Perhaps such words could be defined for the uninitiated?
 * Changed to counter-clockwise. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 23:27, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Beatriz never approached land and with impact, if any, being unknown. - awkward phrasing
 * A tropical disturbance organized into a tropical depression on 22 July - can a depression "organize"?
 * Changed the wording. A disturbance can organize into a tropical depression, but cleaned up the wording anyway.  Thegreatdr 16:28, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

 * As of 2007, Hurricane Eugene or its remnants are responsible for the highest tropical cyclone caused rainfall since 1983 - awkward phrasing
 * Fixed. Thegreatdr 15:48, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

 * For unclear reasons, the name Knut was retired after this season. Possible explanations include difficulties in pronunciation, the name having some sort of unacceptable meaning in a language, or because the cyclone was a major natural disaster. - This is confusing - the paragraph above said that it never touched land - was there some other natural disaster named "Knut"? If so, you need to mention it and link to it.
 * Dealt with. Since wikipedia is supposed to read like an encyclopedia, idle speculation shouldn't be within the article.  It was removed.  Thegreatdr 15:51, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I still don't understand what the "other natural disaster" is referring to. Awadewit | talk  22:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Because of an El Niño, a "cloud cluster" situated southeast of Hawaii gathered enough convection and a closed circulation to become Tropical Depression Two-C on 21 September. - Is it correct to say "an El Nino" or simply "El Nino"? I'm not sure.
 * Context makes it clear that saying "an El Nino" refers to a specific El Nino event. Just saying "El Nino" refers to the phenomenon as a whole. Thus, in this page, "an El Nino" means "The El Nino of 1987". Does that clarify? Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 23:27, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * "An El Nino" would then seem to refer to any El Nino, not specifically the 1987 El Nino. Why not specify "the 1987 El Nino", then? Awadewit | talk  23:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I changed the sentence, although personally I'd think that since the article is about the 1987 Pacific hurricane season, there would be enough context to indicate that the dates are in 1987. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 21:53, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I would hope so, too, but readers can be remarkably daft. It's nice to give them some reminders along the way. Awadewit | talk  22:48, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Minor suggestion: If you have any questions about this review, please let me know. When you have finished the revisions, drop me a line on my talk page and I will re-review it. Awadewit | talk  12:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It might be nice to have an image next to the lead.
 * I agree. Can someone add/create a season map for the upper right corner?  Thegreatdr 15:55, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Done :P Use the updated infobox code please, makes stuff easier. File is uploaded but not in article as of yet due to nasty syntax.--Nilfanion (talk) 00:14, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The image is a red-link for some reason. Awadewit | talk  22:48, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That's because the image is at Image:1987 Pacific hurricane season summary.jpg - the old infobox code this article uses does not support a filename other than what you see as a redlink. The new code is there, I'll implement in a min. Sorted--Nilfanion (talk) 23:57, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

 * I would add that the article needs one satellite image for each storm as well. Thegreatdr 16:27, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

 * The speculation about Knut should be readded. It isnot mine but the WMO's. Read page 9-5 here. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 20:28, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Each named system has a satellite image now. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 23:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Note: Please don't strike out other people's comments. It is like changing their wording - the reviewer decides if the objection has been addressed and does the striking. Editors often use something like ✅ to remind themselves of what they have completed. Thanks. Awadewit | talk  21:08, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I have one comment. Seeing as Unisys is a private site, and it uses data from the EPAC best track, I think it would be better to cite the best track instead. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 23:52, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The Unisys data is much easier to understand by a person. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 20:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's still not official, though. I think officialness is better than ease of use. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 22:00, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Other featured (namely, higher than Good) material, such as the List of Delaware hurricanes, the List of Baja California Peninsula hurricanes, and the List of New Jersey hurricanes, use Unisys. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 22:53, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with Madeline on this article. However on the Atlantic FAs easyhurdat should be used:it has anchors to direct link to the storms; unlike the full hurdat, and is readable.--Nilfanion (talk) 00:14, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * What about using both? It is always better to have mutually-reinforcing sources, anyway. Awadewit | talk  22:50, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The reason is they aren't mutually reinforcing when they are the same data sets (as opposed to two distinct news articles on a topic). Ease of use should take priority here IMO.--Nilfanion (talk) 23:57, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Could you argue that one is for lay readers and one is for more expert readers and on those grounds include both? Awadewit | talk  15:05, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the one is for expert readers, but is the official data set for the basin; the other (Unisys) uses the expert data and makes it easy to use and see. As Unisys, which is used, only uses the official yet difficult to read data, sourcing it is sourcing the best track, so it comes down to using what's the best source, or the source easiest to use. I personally prefer the expert data, but I'm not sure what's best here. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:11, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Better yet: take the best track data and dump it to wikisource in easyhurdat format ;) That is a longer term thing well beyond this specific article though - as long as the numbers are referenced here who cares?--Nilfanion (talk) 16:25, 4 August 2007 (UTC) Sorry that is outside wikisource scope...--Nilfanion (talk) 01:11, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

GA fail
I am failing this article, since the seven days have elapsed and there are still outstanding issues (namely, giving the location of each hurricane and resolving the source debate). Awadewit | talk  00:00, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Problems with the 1987 Pacific hurricane season you should be aware of
I went down to TPC to fish out TD numbers for pre-1988 seasons in the eastern Pacific and pre-1980 Atlanic hurricane seasons. The 1987 hurricane season report was never written up, for whatever reason, by Redwood City. Also, NHC does not have storm wallets of eastern Pacific tropical cyclones prior to 1988. This means if there is ever going to be inclusion of information about the TDs of the 1987 Pacific hurricane season (apparently TD1, TD3, TD4, and TD7) it is going to have to be researched from the hurricane archive online or through the microfilm map series contained at the Central NOAA library at Silver Spring, MD or the NHC surface analysis archive at FIU, in Sweetwater, FL. Somehow, CPHC will have to get their facts straight about Fernanda, which was TD10 that year, not TD9. The only reason I know of the 1987 Pacific tropical depressions is because I tracked them in real-time when I was 14 years old, and still have the tracking charts (who knew they would ever come in this handy nowadays.) I did find surprising information for TDs in the early 1970s in the Atlantic basin, but that will be added to the TC project talk page. Thegreatdr (talk) 14:17, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

 * (Speculating) Out of curiosity, how do we know that one of the earlier depressions wasn't downgraded; ie declared to have never been a tropical cyclone? Maybe that's why the CPHC says Fernanda was TD9 not TD10. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 00:43, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

 * If San Francisco eliminated their records, didn't write up a season summary (implying no post season review), and NHC never got their materials, I'd say it was a low probability scenario. TD 7 was a long-lived TD which approached 140W.  TD 4 and TD 3 lived about one day.  TD 1 I missed somehow, but the depression numbers I have written down would have been derived from the Weather Channel, and before that advisories from EPHC.  However, this is the era where NHC reassigned numbering, so perhaps San Francisco did as well (though I haven't uncovered any evidence to support this statement in the case of EPHC.)  I'm not sure we'll ever know.  I could try contacting the author of their annual summaries, but if nothing was ever published stating that a TD was dropped after the fact, within this project we can't assume a TD was removed either.  Thegreatdr (talk) 13:05, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Is there any pressure data for these systems or did it get lost in the bonfire?Potapych (talk) 00:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

 * From what I was told, the raw HURDAT itself was about all that was ever passed along from Redwood City, and HURDAT does not include TDs which remained below TS strength. It would require a map search to retrieve this information, which will eventually be done.  For now, in the database I use for my rainfall project, I'm only adding a couple TDs which impacted Mexico/Lower 48/Puerto Rico which are not already within the NHC Atlantic non-development database from the late 60s/early 70s.  I'm planning on requesting TD information already within ATCF for the eastern Pacific from 1988-1992, which will include pressure information.  For the most part, pressure information does not reside within the Atlantic non-development database.  The database used/added to for the cliqr project is located here.  Thegreatdr (talk) 20:41, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Another thing, are you sure the report for the season does not exist? I found a citation for it at Vol 116 pp. 2106-2177. Cross, R.L.Potapych (talk) 23:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Where? I can't find any page 2106 in the 1988 (Volume 116) MWR. Do you have the exact document with the reference? Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 04:35, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

 * I only found a citation, not the document itself. It's probably in a library somewhere. Potapych (talk) 21:26, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Thank you. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 18:25, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

 * If someone finds a link to this article, throw it either within the article or talk page. It does not appear to exist when searching through the American Meteorological Society's website.  We likely have a print copy at work, but I won't be able to retrieve it until December 15.  Thegreatdr (talk) 21:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

 * If you find a copy, could you scan it and upload it somewhere? Then we can use webcite to make a permanent archive. I just tried it on a regular image . Potapych (talk) 21:51, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

(indent reset) Indeed, the MWR skips this document. The page for 1988 says: "Issue 10 pages 1829 - 2105" and above that "Issue 11  pages 2121 - 2413" (emphasis added). The 16 pages between 2105 and 2121, where the seasonal report would be, are missing. Bizarre. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 21:49, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * In another effort, I checked the Web of Science online...no luck. We'll have to search for a paper copy.  Thegreatdr (talk) 01:37, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Has anyone found a paper copy? Perhaps in some university library? Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 22:29, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I did get a digitized copy from our local library. The tropical depression numbers are in question between what I found in their document, and what I had copied down in real-time.  It is possible that San Francisco renumbered the TDs after the fact (d'oh!)  I'm planning to go to the Silver Spring library to check out the surface analysis microfilm to help determine what's going on with the TD numbers that year.  Thegreatdr (talk) 22:40, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Recent OR?
No offense, but recently there has been recent OR in the article. While nobody owns articles, should the semi re-writes of the first three storms be reverted? YE  Tropical   Cyclone  05:28, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

To Do
YE (User talk:Yellow_Evan), if you want to get this article up to good article status, then you will need to do some things:

 * Include where they formed, where they dissipated, distances to familiar cities, and things like that. I recommend using Google Earth.

 * Find other sources, they are out there somewhere.

I'm only including those two since they are the biggest problems. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 18:13, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I do not know how to fix the issue. If you read the talk page, you will realize that the 1987 MWS summary is missing. Thus, the only non-impact source is hundrat. I have searched Google news for possible impact sources a week ago, and got some info, but that is about it. YE  Tropical   Cyclone  20:11, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I do not have google earth, and although I know a site that would help be a little bit with this, it is unreliable. Ill send this off to GAN soon. YE  Tropical   Cyclone  15:48, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

 * You don't really need Google earth to indicate where formation, dissipation, and peak strength occurred. You just need the NHC Lat/Lon calculator. When you need to put "the storm formed off the coast of Mexico", you can specify by saying "the storm formed 300 miles south of Acapulco". Just pick whatever city it's closest to. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:57, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The problem is that it asks for Longitude/Latidue lines, and I do not know specficly where Cobo San Lucas or Manzillo is located. YE  Tropical   Cyclone  21:55, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Just look it up... this is an encyclopedia. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 05:06, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

 * The tropical depressions need to be added to this article, even if it is in an other storms section. Thegreatdr (talk) 23:38, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Added. YE  Tropical   Cyclone  15:49, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind that the new section you added was like having no section at all. You need to get a copy of that monthly weather review article to add the information.  The article won't pass GA like this, because the TDs will need to be added to the timeline as well.  Thegreatdr (talk) 15:52, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I am aware of this, but how can I get a copy? Thank you. YE  Tropical   Cyclone  15:59, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Either check ametsoc.org to see if they've added the article, or go to a library that has copies of Monthly Weather Review from 1988/1989. University libraries are most likely to have them.  If you are in the D.C. area, there are two NOAA libraries which would have copies.  Thegreatdr (talk) 16:03, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I just checked, and it is not on the AMS site. I'd doubt the only university near me, UNLV, would have paper copies because you can not major in meteorology there. Should I give up on this article? YE  Tropical   Cyclone  16:13, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Try contacting UNLV. Even if they don't have a met program, they could have the MWR periodical.  Your other option would be to e-mail one of the NOAA libraries and get them to scan a copy for you.  Thegreatdr (talk) 16:22, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I searched the UNLV library catalog, and there was only one MWR article, an article related to the weather events between 1960-1973. Ill email the NHC about this problem, and we'll see if they can scan a copy for me. YE  Tropical   Cyclone  16:54, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * While it doesn't have to be NHC, it would probably be good if they were aware of the problem. Thegreatdr (talk) 16:56, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I've emailed the NHC about this issue. YE  Tropical   Cyclone  17:16, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I found the journal listing here, FWIW. Juliancolton (talk) 21:26, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The NHC emailed me back and said I'd have to work with the AMS about this issue. YE  Tropical   Cyclone  22:07, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thought that would be the response. Technically, this is not their issue.  It was worth letting them know though.  Thegreatdr (talk) 22:08, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I found the MWR. Here it is--12george1 (talk) 03:32, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

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Todo
It needs at least a one sentence description of every storm to be a start.--Nilfanion (talk) 09:39, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

 * sentences have been added and the article now looks better with the grammar and punctuations done --Flavallee:Talk 12:27, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

The lead of the article is lacking. I'm not sure this article should be elevated to C class until it is expanded some. Thegreatdr (talk) 06:44, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of Hurricane Newton (1986) into 1986 Pacific hurricane season
While there is some impact here that makes Newton a bit notable, there isn't a lot of coverage here. I'd argue the season section would benefit from having this article's content merged into it since it seems to be a bit lacking currently. Noah, AATalk 14:33, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

 * I believe this is expandable (IIRC) but the season section is short because there's a storm article :P YE Pacific Hurricane 16:32, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Support - if the article was expanded, I'd support keeping it, but there didn't seem to be much damage. The article even admits that damage was minor. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:57, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Support merge – Though the hurricane meets the notability threshold, the article is rather thin. Its story could be fully told in the season article. Drdpw (talk) 20:32, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Neutral While there certainly is a lot of impacts, I couldn’t find that much sustained coverage and even with the information I added there is a very good chance it could fit comfortably in the section. 108.58.37.250 (talk) 21:35, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Support - Damage was only minimal, and the article is rather relatively bare. It could be easily summarized more in the season section. ~  Sandy 14156   ( Talk ✉ )  20:30, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

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Skip
From the article: "One storm, Typhoon Skip, passed into this basin from the west, keeping its west Pacific name." No it didn't. It crossed from the central Pacific into the West Pacific. It just wasn't named until it got into the west Pacific. -- § Hurricane E  RIC § archive 02:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Any Pictures for this season's hurricanes?
Can anyone find pictures of storms from this year? I mean, Hurricane Rick was the strongest, and yet it doesn't have a pic. Only like 3 tops have pics on this entire page. Some pics would be great for this season article. Come on, I mean, the NHC and NOAA had to have weather satellites monitor more than just three systems. If anyone finds pictures of some of these storms, it probably should be somewhere near peak intensity, there have gotta be more than just 3 pics for hurricanes this entire season. Hurricanekiller1994 (talk) 15:16, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * All the TS's have pictures.YE  Pacific   Hurricane  18:59, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Last depression
For the last depression of this season, it says TD 25-E, but, counting from 22-E before it, shouldn't it be 26-E? Hurricanekiller1994 (talk) 15:02, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Info
Is there any NHC archive on storms from this year? If anyone finds one, try posting a link to it. Hurricanekiller1994 (talk) 22:44, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The NHC did not track the season. YE  Pacific   Hurricane  22:27, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Linda image
Is that a image of Linda? HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 04:05, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of Hurricane Ignacio (1985) into 1985 Pacific hurricane season
Fails WP:NWX since the impact was only minimal. The content here could be easily summarized in the season article. Noah, AATalk 14:01, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Support merge: This system had an unremarkable lifespan and had minimal impact anywhere. Further, the article is small, and so any information not in the season article already can be easily be transferred to it. Drdpw (talk) 21:33, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Oppose because the season section is well-flexed out, I don't see the point. YE Pacific Hurricane 16:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * there is only 7,008 words, which is well within the realms of a good article size. I think we should be more restrictive with the mergers when the season article is at 8,000 words. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:55, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Support - I don't think there's enough unique content in the Ignacio article, compared to what's already in the season section. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:50, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Support - Ignacio wasn't notable enough to warrant a separate article, and there's not much information and content in the article. I agree that it could be easily summarized in the season article. ~  Sandy 14156   ( Talk ✉ )  20:26, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

 * Oppose. Subject seems independently notable and some content would inevitably be cut in a merge. What's the harm in leaving it? —Compassionate727 (T·C) 01:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Mergers aren't debated on the "harm" of whether they're kept or not. If the content is redundant between two articles, then there isn't a need for the one article. There wouldn't be any new content in Ignacio's article if it was merged. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

 * Merge per WP:NWXTC, the bulk of the article is concerned with meteorological history and preparations. The only impact this brought to the Hawaiian Islands was high waves and light rain. This is not not independently notable. TarnishedPathtalk 11:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

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Typo
Corected typo juan andrés 00:37, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Season effects
I just recently added a season effects table, but many figures I listed are as "Unknown", including ACE. Someone needs to find accurate facts about the ACE for each storm and create an ACE table in the article, in between Storms and Season effects. Hurricanekiller1994 (talk) 16:06, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

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Hurricane Winnie
Does anyone know why there was a Hurricane Winnie this year? Shouldn't it have been called Hurricane Wallis? The list with this year's names has Wallis, not Winnie in it. Miss Michelle | Talk to Michelle 23:13, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Winnie and Wallis: Swapped
Doing a quick newspaper search, I found an issue of the Deseret News from May 31 of this year (1983) that gives the names for hurricanes in this year. Oddly, even at this time Winnie was already on the list: no mention of Wallis. Incredibly, the error went both ways, as an issue of the Eugene Register from 1984 indicates that Wallis was on that year's list, to be used after Vance (it didn't reach it). My question is: HUH? Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 21:27, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Winnie and Wallis were always that way round, until they were swapped in 1992. Compare the hurricane action plans for 1991 and 1992. In the 1991 plan (and earlier), Winnie appears in the list for 1995, and Wallis for 1996; in the 1992 plan, they have been swapped. The 1992 plan also has Dalila instead of Dalilia, which also became a permanent change, so I guess blame whoever retyped the lists that year. Keith the Koala (talk) 18:15, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

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Orphaned references in 1983 Pacific hurricane season
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of 1983 Pacific hurricane season's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "CPHC": From 1980 Pacific hurricane season:  From Hurricane Raymond (1983):  From 1985 Pacific hurricane season:  From 1989 Pacific hurricane season:  From 1981 Pacific hurricane season:  From Tropical cyclone:  From 1987 Pacific hurricane season:

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 18:37, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

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Hurricane Raymond Story, Here
Just located this hurricane and want to add that it is the big windstorm currently being used in movie "Adrift" and death mentioned on the front page here, is the main character in this movie. . . and you could say gives away the ending:) Probably should mention it in the article. @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrift_(2018_film)  Thank-You!!  LB Lesbrown99 (talk) 22:38, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Hurricane Winnie
It says that Hurricane Winnie was a category 1 but the track doesn’t show That it became a hurricane. I don’t know why.
 * The storm was stationary, so the track map won't show hurricane intensity. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:1982 Pacific hurricane season

Iwa
I think the image I found is the only Iwa picture available. Should you feel the need to remove it or know the copyright (it needs it to stay active), please do so. Jake52

 * Is that allowed? Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:52, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

 * That's what I would like to know. The page it came from says the picture was taken before the satellite relay was destroyed by Iwa, but doesn't mention who has the copyright and if there even is a copyright. Jake52

 * I wonder if it qualifies as fair use. It is the only image of Iwa on the web, and it helps readers understand the storm better with its broad wind field. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:01, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Solved. NOAA's CLASS archive covers 1978-current, so used the NOAA 7 image from the Hawaiian pass.  Thegreatdr 20:51, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Bad news, the link to the NOAA CLASS archive is down. Storm05 13:01, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Todo
Added several more storms to the page. Thegreatdr 22:04, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Great job! All that's needed for B class is inline sourcing for the whole article. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:08, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Check out the Hurricane Paul (1982) article and restate to me why it needs more citations to become B class. That article has...um... no citations (or refereces) and the season article has 3...so far.  Thegreatdr 19:14, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks User:Nilfanion for the additional refs. I've fixed some of them to fit where I got the information from originally. Thegreatdr 19:44, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem on the additions. Part of the reason for the grading discrepancy between those articles is that seasonal articles are different in content to storm articles and part of it is different editors who take part in assessments have differing views. The things remaining to do here are more organization, images and wikilinking. For example, the dates should be written August 31 not August 31st as per WP:MOSDATE (to allow users date preferences to work).--Nilfanion (talk) 19:48, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The dates have been changed and wikilinked. Thegreatdr 22:49, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * About Paul, standards change, but FWIW I added inline sources there. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 00:18, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Tropical Depressions
Although I am aware that an article's talk page is intended solely for the improvement of the article, I have this question that I have been trying to find the answer to, on and off, for the past few months and that is really bugging me at this point: where do you guys get your info from for the East Pacific depressions prior to 1988 that never reached storm strength? Ev-Man 20:03, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Click here, then under "anywhere in article" type the year you want and Pacific. Then, choose search, and click on something like "1982 Pacific hurricane season". There should be info of the depressions there. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:15, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks! Ev-Man 22:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have any idea why there is no article on the 1987 Eastern Pacific Season in the database? There is one for every other year from 1968 to 2004.  I did a chronological order search with "hurricane" under "anywhere in article" and "Pacific" under "title."  It seems to me that this should include every article serving as an Eastern Pacific season summary, but there is no 1987 article between the 1986 and 1988 articles, or for that matter anywhere else in the list of 361 articles returned.  It's fine if you don't have an answer; it's not as if I need the information.  I just thought it curious that such a recent year would be missing. Ev-Man 03:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Huh, that is very weird indeed. I'm not sure why it isn't there, though I wonder if it has to do with the fact that the Eastern Pacific Hurricane Center had its last year in 1987. One would expect them to write it; however the National Hurricane Center took responsibility of the basin in 1988. Maybe a report simply wasn't issued that year. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, although I can't see how that is a good excuse for not writing the report, I think you may be right. That feels like more than a coincidence to me. Ev-Man 02:33, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

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