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Kansas Jayhawks

The Kansas Jayhawks, commonly referred to as simply KU or Kansas, are the athletic teams that represent the University of Kansas. KU is one of three schools in the state of Kansas that participate in NCAA Division I. The Jayhawks are also a member of the Big 12 Conference. KU athletic teams have won fifteen national championships all-time, with twelve of those being NCAA Division I championships: four in men's basketball, one in men's cross country, three in men's indoor track and field, three in men's outdoor track and field, and one in women's outdoor track and field. Kansas basketball also won two Helms Foundation National Titles in 1922 and 1923, and KU Bowling won the USBC National Title in 2004.

Origins of "Jayhawk"
The name "Jayhawk" comes from the Kansas Jayhawker militias during the Bleeding Kansas era of the American Civil War. The term became part of the lexicon of the Missouri-Kansas border in about 1858, during the Kansas territorial period, as these militia groups began to grow in Kansas.

Another historian of the territorial period described the Jayhawkers as bands of men that were willing to fight, kill, and rob for a variety of motives, including defense against pro-slavery "Border Ruffians", abolition of slavery, driving pro-slavery settlers from Kansas Territory and their claims of land, Christianity, revenge, or plunder and personal profit.

In September 1861, the town of Osceola, Missouri, was burned to the ground by Jayhawkers during the Sacking of Osceola. On the 150th anniversary of that event in 2011, the town asked the University of Kansas to remove the Jayhawk as its mascot; although, the university refused.

Over time, proud of their state's contributions to the end of slavery and the preservation of the Union, Kansans embraced the "Jayhawker" term. The term came to be applied to people or items related to Kansas. When the University of Kansas fielded their first football team in 1890, like many universities at that time, they had no official mascot. They used many different independent mascots, including a pig. During the 1890s, the team was referred to as the Jayhawkers by the student body. Over time, the name was gradually supplanted by its shorter variant, and KU's sports teams are now almost exclusively known as the Jayhawks. The Jayhawk appears in several Kansas cheers, most notably, the "Rock Chalk, Jayhawk" chant in unison before and during games. In the traditions promoted by KU, the jayhawk is said to be a combination of two birds, "the blue jay, a noisy, quarrelsome thing known to rob other nests; and the sparrow hawk, a stealthy hunter."

The term Jayhawker was made famous in Clint Eastwood’s movie The Outlaw Josey Wales. An older Kansas couple comes into a general store in Texas. The checker says, “The wheat is from Kansas and the molasses comes from Missouri.” Grandma says, “Well sir we'll do without the molasses, anything from Missouri has a taint about it.” Grandpa says, “Now, Grandma, you’ve got to tread lightly now that we’re here in Texas. Lot of nice elements from Missouri coming West.” Grandma responds, “Never heard of nice things from Missouri coming West, and treading lightly is not my way. We’re from Kansas, Jayhawkers and proud of it.”

The link between the term "Jayhawkers" and any specific kind of mythical bird, if it ever existed, had been lost or at least obscured by the time KU's bird mascot was invented in 1912. The originator of the first bird mascot, Henry Maloy, struggled for over two years to create a pictorial symbol for the team, until hitting upon the bird idea. As explained by Mr. Maloy, "the term ‘jayhawk’ in the school yell was a verb and the term ‘jayhawkers’ was the noun." KU's current Jayhawk tradition largely springs from Frank W. Blackmar, a KU professor. In his 1926 address on the origin of the Jayhawk, Blackmar specifically referenced the blue jay and sparrow hawk. Blackmar's address served to soften the link between KU's athletic team moniker and the Jayhawkers of the Kansas territorial period, and helped explain the relatively recently invented Jayhawk pictorial symbol with a myth that appears to have been of even more recent fabrication. More recently, however, the University and KU fans have again embraced the history of the Jayhawker moniker, with the football team, among other Varsity teams, donning civil war themed uniforms.

Costume mascots
Jayhawks Big Jay and Baby Jay are the costume mascots used by the University of Kansas.

Another Jayhawk costume mascot was Centennial Jay, or C Jay. C Jay was created by student cartoonist Henry Maloy and featured in the University Daily Kansan in 1912. Maloy's depiction of the Jayhawk helped answer the question of what the mythical bird would look like. When asked why he gave the bird shoes Maloy responded, "Why? For kicking opponents, of course." C Jay was reintroduced as a full-sized mascot on February 25, 2012 in the final Border War against Missouri to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the Jayhawk. C Jay was used only in 2012 for the 100-year anniversary of the original Jayhawk design.

Sports sponsored
The University of Kansas officially sponsors 16 sports: 6 men's and 10 women's. There are also club-level sports for rugby, ice hockey, and men's volleyball. The school used to sponsor a wrestling team, though the sport was discontinued during the 1960s.

Men's basketball
The Jayhawks men's NCAA basketball program is one of the most successful and prestigious programs in the history of college basketball. The Jayhawks' first coach was the inventor of the game, James Naismith. The program has produced some of the game's greatest professional players (including Clyde Lovellette, Wilt Chamberlain, Joel Embiid, Jo Jo White, and Paul Pierce) and most successful coaches (including Phog Allen, Adolph Rupp, Ralph Miller, Dutch Lonborg, John McLendon, Larry Brown, Dean Smith, Roy Williams, and Bill Self). The program has enjoyed considerable national success, having been retrospectively awarded Helms Foundation titles for the 1922 and 1923 seasons, winning NCAA national championships in 1952, 1988, 2008, and 2022, and playing in 16 Final Fours. The Kansas Jayhawks men's basketball team is one of only three programs to win more than 2,000 games. KU ranked 4th in Street & Smith's Annual list of 100 greatest college basketball programs of all time in 2005.

Women's basketball
Kansas first fielded a women's team during the 1968–69 season. For thirty-one seasons (1973–2004) the women's team was coached by Marian Washington, who led the team to three Big Eight championships, one Big 12 Championship, six conference tournament championships, eleven NCAA Tournament appearances and four AIAW Tournament appearances. The team's best post-season result was a Sweet Sixteen appearance in 1998. Bonnie Henrickson served as head coach from 2004 to 2015, until she was fired in March 2015. Brandon Schneider was hired to replace Henrickson in April 2015.

Football
KU began playing football in 1890. The football team has had notable alumni including Gale Sayers, a two-time All-American who later enjoyed an injury-shortened yet Hall of Fame career with the Chicago Bears; John Riggins, another Pro Football Hall of Famer and Super Bowl XVII MVP with the Washington Redskins; Pro Football Hall of Famer for the Cleveland Browns, Mike McCormack. Additional notable former Jayhawks John Hadl, Curtis McClinton, Dana Stubblefield, Bobby Douglass, Nolan Cromwell, and former NFL cornerbacks Aqib Talib and Chris Harris Jr. The Jayhawks have appeared three times in the Orange Bowl, 1948, 1969 and 2008, winning in 2008. The team currently plays in Memorial Stadium (capacity 50,071), the seventh oldest college football stadium in the nation, which opened in 1921. Clint Bowen was named interim head coach after Charlie Weis was fired September 28, 2014. On December 5, 2014, David Beaty was announced as the next head football coach.

Baseball
Kansas baseball began in 1880 and has produced notable players such as Bob Allison and Steve Renko. The team has appeared in five NCAA tournaments (1993, 1994, 2006, 2009, 2014) and one College World Series (1993).

Softball
The Jayhawks softball team has appeared in seven Women's College World Series, including five straight from 1973–77, as well as 1979 and 1992.

Golf
In 1949, Marilynn Smith won the women's individual intercollegiate golf championship (an event conducted by the Division of Girls' and Women's Sports (DGWS) — which later evolved into the current NCAA women's golf championship).

Soccer
Women's soccer at the University of Kansas got its start in 1995, and they play their games at Rock Chalk Park in northwest Lawrence, Kansas. The stadium holds 2,500 people, making it one of the larger stadiums in the Big 12 for soccer. The team is coached by Mark Francis, who is in his 25th season at KU as of 2023, with a record of 258-192-43. The team's overall record since 1995 is 283-240-46, with two Big 12 conference titles, a divisional title, and 9 appearances in the NCAA tournament.

Rugby
Founded in 1964, Kansas Jayhawks Rugby Football Club plays college rugby in the Division 1 Heart of America conference against its many of its traditional Big 8 / Big 12 rivals such as Kansas State and Missouri. Kansas finished the 2011 year ranked 24th. Kansas rugby has embarked on international tours since 1977, playing in Europe, New Zealand, South Africa, Belgium, Holland, Scotland, England, Ireland and Argentina. The team plays its matches at the Westwick Rugby Complex, which was funded by $350,000 in alumni donations. Kansas often hosts the annual Heart of America sevens tournament played every September, the winner of which qualifies for the USA Rugby sevens national championship. Notable University of Kansas rugby all-Americans are: Pete Knudsen 1986, Paul King 1989–90, Anthony Rio 1992, Philip Olson 1993 all American, Joel Foster 1993, Collin Gotham 1993. In 2022 the club played in the USA Rugby D1AA spring national championship game, falling to Fresno State, 22–17.

Ice hockey
Competing in the ACHA, the Kansas Jayhawks Club Ice Hockey team has seen a resurgence in popularity since the team started scheduling games against historical rivals Missouri and Nebraska, starting on an annualized basis in 2013. The team is coached by Andy McConnell.

The team's primary logo is the traditional Kansas Jayhawk logo, with the secondary logo paying homage to the Vancouver Canucks classic logo, with the outline of the state of Kansas having a hockey stick running through the middle of it.

Conference championships and titles
Big 12 Conference champions have the best conference regular season record, and titles are awarded to the winner of the postseason championship tournament. In all sports combined, the Jayhawks have won total of 169 conference titles all-time, 24 championships since joining the Big 12. Approximately one third of those are from the Men's basketball.

The Jayhawks have won or shared an NCAA record 63 conference championships since they joined their first conference in 1907. The Jayhawks have belonged to the Big 12 Conference since it was formed, before the 1996–97 season, and dominated it, winning 12 straight conference titles dating back to 2005. Before that, the Jayhawks have belonged to the Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association from the 1907–08 to 1927–28 seasons, the Big Six Conference from 1928–29 to 1946–47, the Big Seven Conference from 1947–48 to 1957–58, the Big Eight Conference from 1958–59 up until the end of the 1995–96 season. The Big Six and Big Seven conferences were actually the more often used names of the Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association, which existed under that official name until 1964, when it was changed to the Big Eight.
 * Men's basketball

Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association (13)
 * 1908, 1909, 1910, 1911, 1912, 1914, 1915, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925, 1926, 1927

Big Six Conference (12)
 * 1931, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1936, 1937, 1938, 1940, 1941, 1942, 1943, 1946

Big Seven Conference (5)
 * 1950, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1957

Big Eight Conference (13)
 * 1960, 1966, 1967, 1971, 1974, 1975, 1978, 1986, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1995, 1996

Big 12 Conference (20)
 * 1997, 1998, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2020, 2022, 2023

In addition to the 63 regular season conference championships, the Jayhawks have also won 28 conference tournament championships:

Big 7 Holiday Tournament (4)
 * 1951, 1953, 1956, 1957,

Big 8 Holiday Tournament (9)
 * 1962, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1968, 1970, 1974, 1977, 1978,

Big 8 Postseason Tournament (4)
 * 1981, 1984, 1986, 1992,

Big 12 Postseason Tournament (12)
 * 1997, 1998, 1999, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2016, 2022

The Kansas Jayhawks football team holds the most conference championships for a division 1 team in the state of Kansas with 9 all-time. The Jayhawks started play in football in 1890 as an Independent, but have since been part of the WIUFA, Missouri Valley, were founding members of the Big 8 Conference, and were founding members of the Big 12 Conference.
 * Football

 * 1892 - WIUFA Champion
 * 1893 - WIUFA Champion
 * 1895 - WIUFA Champion
 * 1908 - MVC Champion
 * 1923 - MVC Champion
 * 1930 - Big 6 Champion
 * 1946 - Big 6 Champion
 * 1947 - Big 6 Champion
 * 1968 - Big 8 Champion
 * 2007 - Big 12 North Division

 * Women's basketball
 * 1979 – Big 8 tournament champion
 * 1980 – Big 8 tournament champion
 * 1981 – Big 8 tournament champion
 * 1987 – Big 8 regular season and tournament champion
 * 1988 – Big 8 tournament champion
 * 1992 – Big 8 regular season champion
 * 1993 – Big 8 tournament champion
 * 1996 – Big 8 regular season champion
 * 1997 – Big 12 champion

 * Baseball
 * 1921 – MVIAA champion
 * 1922 – MVIAA champion
 * 1923 – MVIAA champion
 * 1949 – Big 7 Conference champion
 * 2006 – Big 12 tournament champion

 * Soccer
 * 2004 – Big 12 regular season co-champion

 * Softball
 * 2006 – Big 12 tournament champion

 * Men's indoor track and field
 * 1922, 1923, 1934, 1950, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1961, 1962, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1975, 1977, 1978, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983

 * Women's indoor track and field
 * 2013

 * Men's outdoor track and field
 * 1910, 1927, 1928, 1930, 1931, 1934, 1946, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1979, 1980, 1982

 * Women's outdoor track and field
 * 2013

 * Men's cross country
 * 1928, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1961, 1963, 1964, 1968, 1969

 * Men's golf
 * 1999

 * Tennis
 * 1979, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 2019

 * Women's volleyball
 * 2016

National Championships
Kansas has won 12 NCAA team national championships and 3 non-NCAA National Championships. Eleven of the twelve NCAA Championships have come from men's sports teams. The sole women's National Championship was from the outdoor track team in 2013. The last team National Championship was from the men's basketball team in 2022. Five different sports have won at least one championship.

NCAA team championships

 * Men (11)
 * Basketball (4): 1952, 1988, 2008, 2022
 * Cross country (1): 1953
 * Indoor track and field (3): 1966, 1969, 1970
 * Outdoor track and field (3): 1959, 1960, 1970
 * Women (1)
 * Outdoor track and field (1): 2013

Non-NCAA team championships
The Jayhawks have also won three national titles not awarded by the NCAA:
 * Men's Bowling (1): 2004 (USBC intercollegiate champions)
 * Men's Basketball (2): 1922, 1923 (Helms Athletic Foundation retrospective selections)

Kansas State Wildcats (Sunflower Showdown)
Kansas State University is Kansas' in-state rival. The series between Kansas and Kansas State is known as the Sunflower Showdown.

Missouri Tigers (Border War)
The 160-year-old rivalry between Kansas and Missouri began with open violence that up to the American Civil War known as Bleeding Kansas that took place in the Kansas Territory (Sacking of Lawrence) and the western frontier towns of Missouri throughout the 1850s. The incidents were clashes between pro-slavery factions from both states and anti-slavery Kansans to influence whether Kansas would enter the Union as a free or slave state. In the opening year of the war, six Missouri towns (the largest being Osceola) and large swaths of the western Missouri country side were plundered and burned by guerrilla "Jayhawkers" from Kansas. The Sacking of Osceola led to a retaliatory raid on Lawrence, Kansas two years later known as the Lawrence Massacre killing between 185 and 200 men and boys, which in turn led to the infamous General Order No. 11 (1863), the forced depopulation of several western Missouri counties. The raid on Lawrence was led by William Quantrill, a Confederate guerrilla born in Ohio who had formed his bushwhacker group at the end of 1861. At the time the Civil War broke out, Quantrill was a resident of Lawrence, Kansas teaching school.

The athletic rivalry began with a football game on October 31, 1891. Currently it is the second longest played series in Division I football and has been described as one of the most intense in the nation. However, no regular season games were scheduled after Missouri accepted an offer to join the Southeastern Conference and Kansas refused Missouri's offer to continue rivalry outside of the conference. In the basketball series Kansas leads by a large margin (172-95 KU), in football Missouri leads by a very small margin (56-55-9 MU) and baseball Missouri leads by a large margin. Regular season games have been scheduled for basketball beginning in 2020 and football in 2025 for the first time since Missouri left for the SEC.

Nebraska Cornhuskers
Kansas had a rivalry with the Nebraska Cornhuskers, though that rivalry had more to do with who had the better sports program, with Kansas priding itself on its basketball prowess and Nebraska on its football dominance. This rivalry of sports cultures has gone dormant with Nebraska's departure for the Big Ten Conference in 2011. Prior to 2011, the football series between the 2 schools was the 3rd most played rivalry in college football behind Minnesota-Wisconsin and Kansas-Missouri. In basketball, Kansas leads the all-time series 170–71.

Notable athletes
This list below is for Olympic medalists and Hall of Famers in their respective sport, with a single exception. For a more comprehensive list of notable athletes see. • Phog Allen played basketball at KU under James Naismith. He was known as the "Father of Basketball Coaching" as he coached and mentored Hall of Fame coaches Dutch Lonberg, Adolph Rupp, Ralph Miller, and Dean Smith. Allen, Lonberg, Rupp, Miller, and Smith (all KU alumni and basketball players) amassed 3,481 career wins as head coaches. No other five alumni from any other school come close to this figure. When Allen retired he was the leader in all-time wins (746) until passed by Rupp, who held it until passed by Smith. Allen also founded the National Association of Basketball Coaches (NABC) in 1927, which went on to create the NCAA Tournament in 1939. While at Kansas, he coached the football and baseball teams. He is the namesake for the basketball arena at Kansas, Allen Fieldhouse.

• Bob Dole, known his political career, was a football and basketball player for the Jayhawks, but did not have any major accomplishments as an athlete. He served as senator from Kansas for 27 years, resigning to focus on his presidential campaign. He was the Republican Party nomination for the 1996 presidential election and lost to incumbent Bill Clinton.

• Wilt Chamberlain, two-time All American, Final Four MVP, National Basketball Hall of Fame, Top 50 All Time Greatest NBA players

• Jon Cornish, 2006 First Team All-Big 12, second round draft pick of the Calgary Stampeders, Canadian Football Hall of Famer

• Glenn Cunningham, two-time US Olympic Runner, Silver Medalist 1936 Berlin Olympics, dominant runner of the 1930s

• Bill "Skinny" Johnson, Basketball player, 2-time All-Big 6. Member basketball Hall of Fame.

• Clyde Lovellette, Basketball player, led KU to the 1952 NCAA Tournament championship. The only player in NCAA history to lead the nation in scoring and then win the National Championship in the same season. 1952 NCAA Tournament Most Outstanding Player. Scored a then record 141 points in the 1952 NCAA Tournament. 3-time All-American (twice Consensus All-American) and 1952 Helms College Player of the Year. 1952 Olympic Gold Medalist while earning the Most Outstanding Player and leading the team in scoring. 9th overall pick in the 1952 NBA Draft. 4-time NBA All Star, 3-time NBA champion, and Basketball Hall of Fame member.

• Danny Manning, Basketball player and former head basketball coach at Wake Forest. Two-time All-American 1988 recipient of the Naismith and Wooden Awards, Big 8 Player of the Decade for the 1980s, 2-time NBA All-Star, National Collegiate Basketball Hall Of Famer.

• Mike McCormack, Pro Football Hall of Fame tackle. Former NFL head coach and GM.

• Ralph Miller, Basketball and Football player at KU. All Big-Six conference quarterback on the football team. Assistant under Phog Allen. Went on to become Basketball Hall of Famer as a head coach with 657 wins.

• Billy Mills, First American to win gold medal in the 10,000 m run, 1964 Tokyo Olympic Games

• Bill Nieder, Former record holder in High School shot put, first college Athlete to surpass 60 feet with the 16-pound shot, two National championships, Silver Medal 1956 Melbourne Olympic Games, Gold Medal 1960 Rome Olympic Games

• Al Oerter, Olympic gold medal discus thrower in four consecutive Olympiads

• John Riggins, Pro Football Hall of Fame running back, MVP of Super Bowl XVII

• Adolph Rupp, Basketball Player under Phog Allen. Member of 1922 and 1923 Helms Foundation title teams. Retired as winningest college basketball head coach with 876 wins. Member of Basketball Hall of Fame.

• Jim Ryun, World record holder in mile, Olympic silver medalist, former Congressman

• Gale Sayers, 2-time All American, Pro Football Hall of Fame running back, Chicago Bears

• Dean Smith played basketball under Phog Allen. Also played baseball. Played on the 1952 National Championship Basketball Team. Assistant Coach at KU for 1 season. Retired as winningest college basketball head coach with 879 wins Member of Basketball Hall of Fame.

• Marilynn Smith, 21-time winner on the LPGA Tour. Inducted into the World Golf Hall of Fame in 2006

• Lynette Woodard, 4-time All-American, Major college basketball's career Women's Scoring leader, Gold Medalist 1984 Los Angeles Olympic Games, First woman ever to play with Harlem Globetrotters, WNBA player, former assistant and interim head coach for the Kansas Jayhawks, National Basketball Hall of Fame, Women's Basketball Hall of Fame

Athletic directors
Kansas has had 16 full-time athletic directors and 8 interim athletic directors. W. O. Hamilton was the first official athletic director. Travis Goff has served as the athletic director since 2021. Longtime men's basketball coach Phog Allen also served as athletic director for 18 years.

 * W. O. Hamilton, 1911–1919
 * Phog Allen, 1919–1937
 * Gwinn Henry, 1938–1942
 * Karl Klooz, 1943 (interim)
 * Ernie Quigley, 1944–1949
 * Arthur Lonborg, 1950–1963
 * Wade R. Stinson, 1964–1972
 * Clyde Walker, 1973–1977
 * Bob Marcum, 1978–1981
 * Del Shankel, 1981 (interim)
 * Jim Lessig, 1982
 * Del Shankel, 1982 (interim)

 * Monte Johnson, 1982–1987
 * Bob Frederick, 1987–2001
 * Richard Konzem, 2001 (interim)
 * Allen Bohl, 2001–2003
 * Drue Jennings, 2003 (interim)
 * Lew Perkins, 2003–2010
 * Sean Lester, 2010–2011 (interim)
 * Sheahon Zenger, 2011–2018
 * Sean Lester – 2018 (interim)
 * Jeff Long, 2018–2021
 * Kurt Watson, (interim) 2021
 * Travis Goff, 2021–present

Athletic department revenue
Total revenue includes Ticket sales, contributions and donations, rights and licensing, student fees, school funds and all other sources including TV income, camp income, concessions, and novelties.

Total expenses includes coach and staff salaries, scholarships, buildings and grounds, maintenance, utilities and rental fees, recruiting, team travel, equipment and uniforms, conference dues, and insurance.

The following table shows the KU Athletics audit reports to the NCAA for each of the years shown.

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The result of the debate was No consensus. Tito xd (?!?) 01:29, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Bakkwa
del foreign dicdef. mikka (t) 07:00, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, Singaporean snack. Kappa 15:21, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, articles about significant dishes are always encyclopaedic. Weasel
 * The article says that the name of this not so "significant dish" is "dried meat". Shall we have articles with titles "dried meat" in all local languages? mikka (t) 23:06, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Jkelly 16:48, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. Needs to be expanded, but border line relevant.Rhetoricalwater 18:11, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Jehovah in the New Testament

Other Translations in the NT
Quote: "... since it is well established that the New Testament quotes the Septuagint extensively (and apparently exclusively), the other texts may not be relevant to the text of the New Testament..." The text above is found in the conclusion of the article as it currently stands. This is simply a fabrication. Paul is (supposed to be) the author of some 13 of the 27 books in the New Testament (NT), yet he almost never quotes from any extant copy of the Septuagint. The Epistle to the Hebrews makes extensive use of the Septuagint, as do some of the Gospel writers. It is demonstrated in the Greek-English New Testament which verses are drawn from the Septuagint. This is done by the use of a symbol like this in the margin alongside the verse reference.

In Paul's letters, one never find this symbol in the margins, because his quotations are generally from his own translation of the Hebrew text, or at least this is the supposition. This quote should definitely be changed in the text of the article. It is unsupported.

- Yonah mishael 18:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

To be clear
Currently, a religious sect called The Jehovah's Witnesses is attempting to hijack parts of Wikipedia by using certain articles as free bandwidth. Any consensus from the Wikipedian community is ignored and eliminated to express its and only its views.

Who determines who or what is a sect! Based upon the religion established by Jesus and his apostles (The Way), all religions of Christendom must be sects, Catholics, Protestants, Baptists, Orthodox, etc. Or is it based upon that the bullies can use derogatory names for the little ones? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.234.125.0 (talk) 03:59, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

To use JW dogma to add, change, alter, delete, censor, obfuscate, or reinterpret scholarly consensus each violates Wikipedia's express policy: WP:WORLD, WP:OWN, WP:RS, WP:V, WP:NOT, WP:NPOV, et al...

Materials published by the JW Vatican (the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society), and JW websites, forums, tracts, etc may be used to describe JW dogma where relevant only.

For example, If JWs wish to express their own beliefs, they are welcome to start a new article, such as "Jehovah's Witnesses' doctrines in regard to Jehovah and the New Testament." That would be fair use of free bandwidth. -  Cestus     Cd   01:52, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

 * You have not offered ANY attempt to address my sourced edits despite being invited to do so multiple times over the past five days. Contrary to your lie, you are the one who has totally ignored proper wiki editing guidelines by ignoring me and my sourced information.  You havn't even directly addressed me at all, instead opting to instigate and continue an edit war.  I even left the article totally alone for two days so you could address my concerns without feeling antagonised.  All efforts to gain your input have completely failed.  To be clear, and again contrary to your nonsense above, it is you who has "hijacked" this article.

 * Here is a comprehensive look at the problems and factual errors with this article. I have already provided ALL of this information via the edits (themselves), and the talk section Castanea and Totally Disputed tag.

 * This article is based on, and revolves around the unsourced and unequivocally wrong claim (a claim made SEVEN TIMES in the article): "The Septuagint does not contain forms of the word YHWH". The source given for that claim is an online order form for Septuagint computer software, however, the source does not verify the above claim, nor does it address our subject historically, on top of the fact that this particular Septuagint is circa 1851.  Well guess what:
 * - The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology (Volume 2, page 512): "Recent textual discoveries cast doubt on the idea that the compilers of the LXX [Septuagint] translated the tetragrammaton YHWH by kyrios. The oldest LXX MSS (fragments) now available to us have the tetragrammaton written in Heb[rew] characters in the G[ree]k text. This custom was retained by later Jewish translators of the O[ld] T[estament] in the first centuries A.D."

 * - Professor George Howard, Biblical Archaeology Review (March '78 pg. 14): "When the Hebrew form for the divine name was eliminated in favor of Greek substitutes in the Septuagint, it was eliminated also from the New Testament quotations of the Septuagint. . . . Before long the divine name was lost to the Gentile church except insofar as it was reflected in the contracted surrogates or remembered by scholars."

 * - LXX P. Fouad Inv. 266 ("contains perhaps the most perfect Septuagint text of Deuteronomy that has come down to us" Kurt Aland and others 'Studia Evangelica', 1959 pg.614), dated to the first century B.C., contains 49 easily identifiable instances of the Hebrew Tetragrammaton (provided in this edit). All fragments of LXX P. Fouad Inv. 266 were published by Zaki Aly and Ludwig Koenen in "Three Rolls of the Early Septuagint: Genesis and Deuteronomy - Papyrologische Texte und Abhandlungen" vol. 27.

 * None of the above listed resources are Watchtower publications.

 * - Taken from the current version of the Jehovah in the New Testament article: "Moreover in the Lord's Prayer, Christ says: "After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name" (Matthew 6.9). If Christ meant that this name was Jehovah and that his Disciples should use "Jehovah" in prayer, it is a significant omission that he failed to tell them that." This is speculation on unsourced information.  Please see WP:NOR and WP:VERIFY.

 * - "Furthermore, to reconcile these facts with the belief that YHWH is the one and only name of God, Jehovah's Witnesses make various assumptions. Among these is the belief that YHWH was replaced in the Old Testament with Κύριος sometime after the New Testament was written! For example, it is stated that Origen included the Tetragrammaton in his Hexapla in the 3rd century AD. But this statement is deceptive; it does not mean that YHWH was used in the Septuagint. Origen's Hexapla was a comparison in side-by-side columns of separate versions of the Old Testament in Greek. Thus to say that YHWH appeared in the Hexapla, does not mean that it appeared in the Septuagint quoted in the New Testament at all." This paragraph from the section Jehovah in the New Testament makes a gross number of mistakes.

 * "Furthermore, to reconcile these facts with the belief that YHWH is the one and only name of God, Jehovah's Witnesses make various assumptions." - This sentence makes no sense, even in the context of the article it's still nonsensical. The focus of the article is not about "the belief that YHWH is the one and only name of God" it is about the inclusion of an English rendering of the name 237 times in the New Testament of the Jehovah's Witness bible The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures despite zero extant NT manuscript support.  Witnesses cite several reasons for their inclusion of the Divine Name into the NT, some are valid, some are assumptive.  The article does not provide a source for the asserted conclusion: "assumptions".

 * "Among these is the belief that YHWH was replaced in the Old Testament with Κύριος sometime after the New Testament was written!" - This accusation (on top of being the unsourced product of a wiki editor who doesn't know what they're talking about) mixes it's apples with it's oranges. The Apples: - Witnesses believe and assert that ALL modern English translations of the OLD Testament replaces the divine name "YHWH" (rendered however you want) with the ambiguous title "Lord".  This is an easily verifiable fact that on the whole, every modern translation of the bible fails to render "YHWH" as a name, opting instead to render it as "Lord" or "God" in the Old Testament in nearly 7,000 (SEVEN THOUSAND!) instances.  The Oranges: - It is the belief of Witnesses that YHWH was replaced in the NEW Testament by the title: "Kurios" by superstitious scribes.  It is verifiable fact that this accured with Septuagints, Witnesses theorise that it was likewise the case with the New Testament manuscripts.

 * "For example, it is stated that Origen included the Tetragrammaton in his Hexapla in the 3rd century AD. But this statement is deceptive; it does not mean that YHWH was used in the Septuagint." Again, please thoroughly read WP:NOR and WP:VERIFY.  Provide a legitimate source that says "deceptive".

 * The article heading: Many Greek Old Testaments - This section has not ONE reference among it's myriad of assertions and conclusions. I don't even see how this section is relevant to the article.

 * The catagory "Forgery" at the bottom of the page is bad-faith and irrelevant to the article.

 * There will likely be more criticism to come. If you vandalise the disputed tag one more time I will seek Admin intervention against you.  Duffer 08:24, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Old
Simply put: YHWH/Jehovah does not occur in the original New Testament. Its insertion into versions in modern languages is a novelty. Asserting that this novelty is representative of the original is a deception.

Wikipedia policy is explicit that articles must follow scholarly convention and scholarly consensus. One cannot make an article on Wikipedia conform to the doctrines of the Jehovah's Witnesses, nor may one compel editors to conform their edits to any religion whatsoever.

Convention and the scholarly consensus are quite clear in regard to the use of the word "Jehovah" and official statements from official sites of the Jehovah's Witnesses differ markedly. This version of this article here is sourced and cited. It also incorporates the contributions of numerous editors, including that of Jehovah's Witnesses where they may be truthful.

Each Jehovah's Witness is certainly welcome to his own point of view. The Jehovah's Witnesses have their own websites and there is even a section in this article allowing for discussion of these views. The overwhelming majority of editors do not follow that religion, but the community has been generous and even indulgent in incorporating these sectarian views in the article.

Thus, in the interests of Policies and Guidelines particularly Wikipedia is not a soapbox, Jehovah's Witnesses are strongly urged to cease conforming articles against scholarly convention and consensus. More importantly, kindly cease from demanding that editors follow sectarian religious doctrine. Editors take offense at such tactics and are unlikely to comply.

We consider it rude and it reflects badly on Jehovah's Witnesses.

There are ample websites already owned by Jehovah's Witnesses for followers to contribute to. All are welcome to contribute here inasmuch as each follows the rules. -  C.     dentata    06:56, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

 * So you're just going to ignore me? Admin Stifle's block was unwarranted, the Admin's words on my talk page: "To be clear, I am having no part in this dispute as I am too prejudiced in the issue to be impartial. Stifle 14:40, 22 March 2006 (UTC)".  The vandal of the Jehovah's Witnesses: Controversial issues reported me for 3RR and got lucky, meanwhile a more astute Admin was busy protecting the page from that users vandalism.  Anyways, this is irrelevant, you gave me the exact same nonsense (word-for-word) when you objected to my edits of the Jehovah article.  In that instance, like this one, you have completely failed to address ANY criticism I have brought forth, yet you continue to RV.  How can you gain consensus when you ignore criticism, ignore sourced facts, ignore several invitations to address those facts, then have the nerve to say: "We consider it rude."  Bring your facts to the table, we'll sort them out with the facts I've brought; If you can't or won't, then please stop RVing, and let people who are actually willing to take part in a communal article building project build this article.  Duffer 10:21, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

That which is asserted by some to be "Fraudulent"
The article is inaccurate. For example, the English version of a Italian article published on the catholic magazine, edited from Dehonian friars, "Rivista Biblica", year XLV, n. 2, April-June 1997, p. 183-186. Bologna, Italy says: "... recent discoveries have shown that the practice of substituted in the LXX YHWH with KYRIOS started in a much later period in comparison with the beginning of that version.[date? context?] As a matter of fact, the older copies of the LXX keep the Tetragrammaton written in Hebrew characters in the Greek text. Girolamo, the translator of the Latin Vulgate confirms this fact. In the prologue of the books of Samuel and Kings he wrote: "In certain Greek volumes we still find the Tetragrammaton of God's name expressed in ancient characters". And in a letter written in Rome in the year 384 it says: "God's name is made up of four letters; it was thought ineffable, and it is written with these letters: iod, he, vau, he (YHWH). But some have not been able to decipher it because of the resemblance of the Greek letters and when they found it in Greek books they usually read it PIPI (pipi)". S. Girolamo, Le Lettere, Rome, 1961, vol.1, pp.237, 238; compare J.P.Migne, Patrologia Latina, vol.22, coll.429, 430."

We can conclude that the article is biased, which also the writer's nick suggests. (Anonymous 2005-10-12 07:01:59)

 * Anonymous: The above quotation, whatever its provenance, discusses the Old Testament.  This article is about the New Testament.  -   C.     dentata   [[Image:Chestnut.png|12 px]] 18:45, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

The quote above, referencing the LXX, is relevant in that it refers to the nominal source for the quotations from the OT. It is manifestly the basic issue here - what did the writers of the NT quote when citing references from the OT? If the Masoretic / Hebrew text, then the quote contained the Tetragram. If the Septuagint, then, as the article asserts, they would also have quoted from a reference bearing the Tetragram and, reasonably, it would have been in the NT. (Amanuensis03 2006-02-18 18:26:07 )

 * Even the fragmentary reference to the LXX says that it read Kyrios not "YHWH." This contradicts your point.

 * Worse, you are assuming "what would have been!!" That is a belief and not substantiated.  We have the Greek text of both the NT and LXX, so it is irrelevant what one thinks "what would have been" which is moreover wholly contradicted by what is.  The article as written by the consensus is quite explicit and accurate on this point (no I did not write that part.)

 * To change the Greek text to what one imagines "would have been" is fraud! -   C.     dentata   [[Image:Chestnut.png|12 px]] 20:54, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Long list of Bible versions in article
A visit to http://www.e-sword.net will furnish one with the opportunity to verify the accuracy of quotations shown from translations numbered as 4 & 5 above; one will have to download e-sword, download the bibles and then install all files, including fonts unique to the bible.

Those listed as #1, 2, 9 & 11 have urls attached to the citation and can be easily verified.

The Hutter referred to is a well-respected translation and somewhat of a unique bible; copies are called 'Hutters' reasonbly enough and are prized. Hutter himself founded the movement that is still in existence today and bears his name. For information about him from a modern day perspective, visit this site: http://www.hutterites.org/hutter.htm (Amanuensis03 2006-02-18 01:46:09 )

 * The list is irrelevant.

 * To be fair, if there is a list of obscure modern versions in which Jehovah were added, then there would have to be the 10,000s of translations in which Jehovah was not added. The original language — Greek — did not use Jehovah or anything similar in the New Testament and it is a major factual error to equivocate!

 * NOTE: The list put forward is shown as testamentary evidence in support of a contrarian position; that the versions shown are delineated as different because of using Jehovah or some form thereof in their translation of the NT is, by extrapolation, stating that all or most others do not include it; hence no list in opposition is needed; it is understood to be the universe of others [numbering perhaps 1000 - 2000 in English; no source has been cited for the '10,00s' averred here].

 * The list does not belong here. -   C.     dentata   [[Image:Chestnut.png|12 px]] 17:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

 * NOTE: Amanuensis03 deleted my above reply (which I have restored). This shows bad faith and is dishonest.  -   C.     dentata   [[Image:Chestnut.png|12 px]] 21:04, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

The actual long list of versions that differ from the original Bible

 * NOTE:Castanea dentata has deleted numerous entries posted here, including the list in the article he asserts is irrelevant - it has been deleted half a dozen times, perhaps because it demonstrates that which is not in agreement with the agenda being advanced here. That about a dozen other translators have opted to to include the name of god in their rendering of the NT demonstrates that not only is this position reasonable, it has been considered by a fair number of translators as a precept they will follow.  In point of fact it started with Shem Tob's version of 1385 - some 620 years ago.

Further, note that assertion made regarding '10,000s of translations.' If that is meant to be a truthful statement and not hyperbole, then there must be at least 20,000 translations of the NT - a very fanciful number and one that needs some source to be seen as believable.

Here is the list which he asserts is irrelevant; whether it is relevant or not should be left to the reader to judge; if the reader adjudges the translations shown as irrelevant, then so be it. How though can they do so if the list is suppressed? Censorship is not reason.

1. The Sacred Name King James Version  ;

2. The Scriptures ;

3. Moffat’s translation of the Bible in Tswana [the first complete Bible to be printed in Africa, in 1872];

4. The Chinese Union Version, Simplified uses 耶和华 [the chinese equivalent of Jehovah] in Revelation 19.1;

5. The Chinese Union Version, Traditional [ibid.];

6. The Chinese Union Version, GB;

7. The Malagasy Bible, Protestant Version, uses Jehovah in the NT;

8. The Malagasy Bible, Catholic version, uses IAVEH at Matt 4.7 & 10;

9. The Restored Name King James Version uses the Tetragrammaton itself in the text of the NT and uses YAH for the Hebrew parse of the Tetragrammaton rendered JAH by the KJ and ASV;

10. The Christian Greek Scriptures in 12 languages by Elias Hutter, 1599, uses the Tetragrammaton in the Hebrew translation of the NT;

11. The Hebraic Roots Version (NT only) uses YHWH.

Worse, personally attacking another is a formal error in logic - demonstrating the weakness of the arguments advanced.

Regarding the citations of LXX in papyrus, note what Professor George Howard stated: “When the Septuagint which the New Testament church used and quoted contained the Hebrew form of the divine name, the New Testament writers no doubt included the Tetragrammaton in their quotations.” (Biblical Archaeology Review, March 1978, page 14)

Further, The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology states: "Recently discovered texts doubt the idea that the translators of the LXX have rendered the Tetragrammaton JHWH with KYRIOS. The most ancient mss (manuscripts) of the LXX today available have the Tetragrammaton written in Hebrew letters in the Greek text. This was custom preserved by the later Hebrew translator of the Old Testament in the first centuries (after Christ)". Vol.2, pag.512

 * This is a list of versions of the Bible. None of these versions show that YHWH/Jehovah was written in the original New Testament, which is what the article has been all about since before you set up your new account.

 * Further, lists are unencyclopedic.

 * Since they neither prove nor disprove the existence of YHWH/Jehovah in the original New Testament, they are irrelevant. Besides which, if they were, there would have to be an extremely voluminous list of the far greater number of translations and versions in which the original language was not altered to read "YHWH" of "Jejovah."

 * Stating that Jehovah is not in the original New Testament is no "Personal Attack." That you do not want to read that is no reason to say it an "attack" or to revert articles without comment.

 * The article has been around a while, and your reversions are not part of any consensus. Worse, they are riddled with major factual errors and obfuscation.

 * This is why an administrator asked you to cease and desist, and characterized your reverts as Vandalism.

 * That the facts contradict a principle dogma of your religion is regrettable. However, Wikipedia is not the place to preach such religious dogmas and I dare say that this manner of proselytizing reflect poorly on your religion.  -   C.     dentata   [[Image:Chestnut.png|12 px]] 01:30, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Dead Sea Scrolls information
With respect to the Dead Sea scrolls, referred to in the main article, please go to the following site and note the image therein of a portion of the Psalms wherein the tetragrammaton is shown in older phoenician letters: http://www.ibiblio.org/expo/deadsea.scrolls.exhibit/full-images/psalm-b.gif

Images of non-Septuagint fragments from unidentified Greek documents
The following fragments are sometimes mistaken for fragments from the Septuagint. However, in ancient times, there were at least seven versions of the OT in Greek, none of which was the Septuagint (and especially not the New Testament) and none of which was officially used in the Church:

Tetragrammaton in reference to Jesus
Here's one page talking about all three mentioned scriptures, and some others: http://www.catholic-forum.com/members/popestleo/hiding.html. It took me about two seconds to find this. Surely I'm not the only one that knows how to use search engines here. You can find enough to read until the cows come home.Tommstein 08:46, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Very good! Perhaps this should be incorporated into the article?  -   C.     dentata   [[Image:Chestnut.png|12 px]] 18:46, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I have comments to this statement: "Jesus quoted numerous times from the Old Testament, including his replies to the tempter where he indicates that he is God: "Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God" (Matthew 4.7). Here as elsewhere, he quotes from the Greek Septuagint." 1: To say that Jesus by this statement indicated that he himself was God/YHWH, is an interpretation. I believe one must see this in context, and take into account verse 6, where the Devil says, "If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone." Who is being tempted here? Surely, Jesus would actually be the one putting his Father to the test by casting himself off the mount. My conclusion on this is: Mt 4:7 is here being interpreted; and interpretations should be left to the reader! 2: It is not obvious that Jesus himself quoted the Greek Septuagint; but the writer of Matthew's Gospel quoted it, later writing what had happened! Jesus spoke and read Hebrew/Aramaic, and had access to the Hebrew Scriptures in its original letter. -Sommer.

The box
What do this box in this article? This article is not about any particular god, it is an essay about the use of a name in the Bible. I think this box do not belong to this article. Summer Song 18:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Castanea and Totally Disputed tag
What is your deal with Jehovah's Witnesses? You gave me the same nonsense on the Jehovah article with no legitimate basis for your reverts/edits. I'm trying to make this article better. I've sourced my facts, removed unsourced information that contradicts those facts, I've removed POV and redundancy and changed the reference system. My focus is accuracy first, we can work on the rather convoluted prose next. If there is conflicting sourced information then by all means present it, but the fact stands the previous version of the article was built around the incorrect (and unsourced) assertion that Septuagints didn't contain the divine name. I have provided indesputable evidence to the contrary. The most well preserved, oldest (100 B.C!) GREEK Septuagint of the book of Deuteronomy contains 49 identifiable instances of the Hebrew Tetragrammaton. After we get the facts straight we can hammer out the prose, either way: 1 - Please do not revert sourced information per WP:VERIFY without VERY good reason,  2 - A revert war would just move this article backwards, bring your information to the table, we'll sort it out and make a good, well referenced article. Duffer 07:54, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

This article is convoluted, inaccurate, and very redundant. How many times does the article need to say: "The Septuagint does not contain forms of the word YHWH.." regardless of the fact that this assertion is wrong, and I have proven that, the article makes this particular assertion (or variations of) SEVEN times! At least one of the sentences I changed contains completely unsalvagable grammar, there's a myriad of asserted (unsourced) conclusions ("diseptive" "various assumptions" (which coincidentally are provable facts) "Indeed", bad faith "See Also" summaries and an irrelavant catagory "Forgery"; the "Main Article" isn't even right. I'm damned tired of being right yet get constantly battled over my edits simply because I'm a Jehovah's Witness.  Duffer 08:14, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Castanea, please, PLEASE stop removing the dispute tag. We MUST try to reach consensus but you have said nothing on the matter.  I've cited my sources, I've invited you to discuss your objections several times, you've given me nothing.  Don't just ignore me and continue your bad-faith editing style, that is not how to resolve this.  Duffer 07:38, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Redirect
The title "Jehovah in the New Testament" implies that Jehovah is the correct pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton, which is by no means the case. I have therefore redirected the article to the more neutral title Tetragrammaton in the New Testament. Yahnatan 00:49, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

'''For that matter not one of the Hebrew names is pronounced correctly in English; if that is the criteria than the Bible must remain nameless. Example: why do English speakers say Cologne, when the German name is Koeln? Because they can't say Koeln, perhaps they should say: the big German city on the Rheine river with the large Cathedral!''' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.234.125.0 (talk) 04:22, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

 * "Jehovah" is an ENGLISH pronunciation of the Hebrew Tetragrammaton, nobody is claiming it is the correct Hebrew pronunciation. This article is about the use of this English rendering of the Tetragrammaton ("Jehovah") in 237 instances of the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures despite no extant manuscript support for the inclusion.  Technically this article is a content fork (really an attack page in it's current form) from the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures article.  Duffer 05:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

 * No, this article is specifically about the appearance of the Tetragrammaton in the Christian Scriptures, specifically the "New Testament" (NT). It has nothing to do with English translations but only to do with the appearance of the Hebrew letters of the name of God as they are assumed by some to have appeared in the original copies of the NT books. Therefore, it is completely appropriate for Yahnatan to have redirected this article here. Yonah mishael 17:48, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

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Honorary titles of Indian leaders

The following is the list of honorary titles given to various Indian leaders during Indian independence struggle.

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Kari Grandi

Kari Grandi is a fictional character, the main protagonist in the Finnish television advertisements for Grandi, a brand of ready-to-drink juice.

Grandi was played by Eeki Mantere from the beginning of the character in the 1970s until 1999. He was then replaced by actor Sami Kojonen.

The advertisements are parodies of typical 1920s-era adventure movies where a group of villains kidnap a woman and torture her by withholding water and other drinks from her. Somewhere at a distance, Kari Grandi hears her cries for help and rushes to her aid. First he drinks a carton of Grandi juice, then he drops the empty carton on the ground and steps on it. The ensuing sonic boom knocks out the villains, and Kari Grandi is able to revive the woman by giving her a carton of Grandi juice.

The narration of the advertisements always ends with an established catchphrase:
 * Hän on kaikkien janoisten sankari, aikamme legenda: Kari... Grandi!

In English:
 * He is the hero of all who are thirsty, the legend of our time: Kari... Grandi!

The character's name is an obvious homage to the actor Cary Grant. The character Kari Grandi was himself parodied in the Finnish sci-fi movie Star Wreck: In the Pirkinning, in the form of Babel 13 security officer Mihail Karigrandi (English name: Mikhail Garybrandy), who is a parody of the Babylon 5 character Michael Garibaldi.

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User talk:CHawke

Came here from another place which has lost its way.

Will stay and see what I can do.

List_of_war_heroes
Hi. You listed List_of_war_heroes at 3RR. But... (a) it was 3 not 4 (b) there is no discussion on the talk page at all. William M. Connolley 16:05, 2 February 2006 (UTC).

 * Sorry, my mistake over the rules, 1st time I have "been bold" and listed something for deletion - have I done things in the wrong way - (apart from not adding anything to the discussion page - now done)? Assuming he had done 4 reverts, was what I did OK?  (sorry also for not reading your box on your page and initially posting there. --C Hawke 16:16, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Had it been 4, you would have been correct. Read WP:3RR perhaps. Also a good idea to drop him a note on his talk page: maybe there is a good reason for what he is doing; always worth while trying to ask. William M. Connolley 16:30, 2 February 2006 (UTC).

User:Swedenman
Hi there! I just wanted you to know that user:Swedenman is identical with Filipman on Swedish Wikipedia. This user has been involved in several edit wars. He has been editing unreflectingly. In addition to this he has abused other wikipedians. Filipman, who claims to be 14 (!) years old, has been banned 6 times. Probert 16:32, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

The Who and Deep Purple
Can you lodge an official complaint against this SOB who keeps adding horribly referenced claims of 100 million albums sold to The Who's and Deep Purple's pages? I don't know how to do that. This jerk has even put warnings on MY talk page about banning ME for deleting his garbage. Thanks for helping me keep these pages encyclopedia worthy. 74.77.222.188 (talk) 07:04, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Oh, yeah, he also put this bullshit on my page about me being a sockpuppet of YOU. Register a complaint about that, too, if you can. 74.77.222.188 (talk) 07:05, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Alas I don't really know how to follow this up, unless the user breaks the 3 revert rule. THere is a similar edit war on Pink Floyd and looking at some other pages similar across the site.--C Hawke (talk) 07:52, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

 * The Pink Floyd one has flared up again? Wonderful. Back to work. 74.77.222.188 (talk) 05:59, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

See above, this refers to an edit war over credible references on the Deep Purple entry - most of those writing in the discussion agree that the references quoted do not meet WP:RS but these keep getting reverted, and now I am being accused of vanalism - it appears that those keen on the poor quality references are not prepared to discuss their point on the relevant page.--C Hawke (talk) 13:42, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Help Me
I recommend that you take the issue to Request for Comment Or you can ask an Administrator. Happy Editing,  D u s t i talk 18:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I've addded it to Reliable_sources/Noticeboard as that seems the best place as it is the reliability of the sources that is in debate - if that fails I'll ask an admin - what is the current policy on removing the vandalism tag on my page? I know in the past it wasn't approved of to remove it yourself?--C Hawke (talk) 19:03, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I tnull'ed the helpme template above, it seems you have appropriate help on this issue. Also, see WP:BLANKING about the removal of warnings. If you need anything else, don't hesitate to let me know. -- omtay 38  19:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I am concerned about potential Sub judice issues on this entry 22_May_2008_Exeter_bombing but can't find a relevant WP policy that I can cite on the page. THe entry is writen as it is a fact that the person named carried out the crimes stated, as there hasn't been a trial this is against UK law. ANyone give me advice on this issue before I add anything to the page? --C Hawke (talk) 10:12, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If you have concerns about the content of an article, the best place to raise them is on the article's talk or discussion page. That way, you can share your thoughts with other editors working on the same article and develop consensus on how to proceed. Explain your concerns there, setting out your reasons why you feel the article should be changed. Alternatively, you can always be bold and make the changes yourself, but if someone else disagrees with you, please use consensus before repeating your changes. Hope his helps, Gazimoff Write Read 11:00, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ta - was bold and made the edits - not too many to be honest when I looked at it and compared the tone to the BBC pages (if anyone can be trusted to get it right...) Cheers--C Hawke (talk) 13:32, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Monster Magnet in space rock article
The big box above the list asks that the opening paragraph of each band's article mention the artist as being classified as "space rock", in addition to having it in the infobox. Sorry to be so picky about this. The "rule" was added because some inappropriate bands were being added to the list, and the idea was that if someone were trying to get a band listed as "space rock" by changing the article to say the group is in that category, but they aren't, someone watching the band's article will notice this and revert or at least challenge the change, which will bring it to our attention. This is more likely to happen when it's added to the opening paragraph, rather than the infobox. This rule was put in to keep out vandals, pranksters, and impulsive, poorly thought out editing. I'll trust that Monster Magnet's inclusion in the list is credible, but could you do me a favour and edit the Monster Magnet article's opening paragraph, which will demonstrate that watchers of their article are in agreement. Thanks! --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 14:42, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

 * doh! me being lazy, I didn't re-read the requirements - I thought it was one or the other, to be honest, I think this is how it should be, after all some bands can sit happily in many, many genres, and this makes it hard to include it in the actual wording - I was surprised to see you'd removed it - (but accept it was me that was wrong). I suppose it keeps te list to those bands who are mainly thought of as Space Rock - which to be honest Monster Magnet aren't - I think they only gain the listing in their info box due to covering several Hawkwind tracks. I think they can come out, that way it eeps the list short.--C Hawke (talk) 15:56, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I didn't remove it a second time, but will do so now, since you feel it doesn't belong. Thanks for removing it, and for reverting another user's similar edit. As for whether we're going about this the right way, probably not, and maybe there shouldn't be a list in the article at all.  But I'm betting some editors will be ticked if the list is removed.  There is also a space rock category page, but I haven't been maintaining it, or keeping the lists in sync. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 22:30, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Removing sources
Regarding this edit, I feel it was inappropriate to remove the source for the 30,000 figure in October 2006, provided that the information itself was still in the article. Esn (talk) 19:10, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Notability of Jason Stuart (musician)
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releases
Something for you to keep an eye out for: an opportunity to replace those old worn and scratched vinyl with pristine sparkling plastic. http://www.cherryred.co.uk/atomhenge/news.htm Unfortunately, Santa will have just missed it. Drwhawkfan (talk) 17:21, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Cheers, but I was digital as they all came out originally! The only one I missed was Astounding Sounds - which I had a slight guilty pang when I bought a suspect german version. Which dows mean of course, as I mentioned on the original Hawkwind LP page, I missed out on all the extras, so I do have to restrain myself if there are any stuff I feel I "must have" on re-releases! --C Hawke (talk) 17:39, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Roary/UK vs US
Fair enough, in theory--but did you notice that instead of mentioning the US names, you actually just removed them for 2 of 3 affected characters? GJC 19:35, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

 * nope - missed that - teach me to edit just the 1st paragraph, whilst doing other things- thanks--C Hawke (talk) 07:13, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

hw re-masters
You go away for a little while, and when you come back you find the children have been causing havoc in your absence. What's going on? It seems there's a little clutch of people using the HW wiki page to air their own grievences - I wonder how old these people are, they can't be school kids, surely? Anyway, thanks for the mini-review of 25Y, the comments I've come across is that the sound is excellent (I wonder how much the compression has played in shaping people's perpective of it) and there's one or two decent bonus tracks to be had. I may well dip into Quark and/or pxr5, but it's a pity they couldn't find the original tapes for live 79 so we could have the whole show. — Drwhawkfan (talk) 15:03, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I did wonder why you'd been quiet of late - yep, it has been a bit tiresome, as you see had to get the hawkwind page semi protected for a week or so. I wonder if it is linked to the bitter online war of words from the former bass player I 've noticed is refered to on the hawkwind forums. But these claims that kept getting added are all very strange - if they had any truth to them the the official forums and the BOC-L mailing list would have had some comments in - both are quiet.  I'm not sure if Mr Dibs lives near DB - if so then I'll keep an eye on the local rags this week to see if there is anything (as I'm in that area too)

One of the main reason for getting 25Y (aprt from it being one of my faves) is that is is exactly 25 years since I first saw them (next month I think, can't recall exact dates, but I know they are all on some site somewhere, Leiceister 1984) so I thought I'd treat myself. My wife even like the Accoustic "Only Ones" - so worth it for that alone! If you do get PXR5 when it comes out I'll be interested to know if High Rise is back to the vinyl version. Cheers.--C Hawke (talk) 15:59, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Deep Purple
Hello - you reverted my revert to Deep Purple, citing consensus regarding the band not being heavy metal. I can't see any consensus on the discussion page - only a debate about the mention of heavy metal in the lead. What I did find after some quick poking around in the history of the article is that the "heavy metal" genre has been on the deep purple infobox for years, and also had cites until someone deleted the genres entry from the infobox for a period of time. So I'm curious to know - where was this consensus, and why wasn't it acted on for several years if it was indeed a consensus? Random name (talk) 21:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * True, I maybe reverted to soon, I thought it had been decided in the Talk page, however, what is true is that there have been many changes to heavy metal in the genre, all have been reverted quite quickly, the majority of the time it has been absent. So this, IMHO, is the real consensus with those who edit this page, I'm staying out for now though - especially as you overdid your revert by accusing me of Vandalism - I gave a polite reason for the revert and was acting in good faith.--C Hawke (talk) 07:49, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It wasn't actually me that reverted your change, and I would agree "vandalism" is OTT. Perhaps you'd consider joining in the discussion page conversation? We could quite do with having a consensus on the talk page to refer editors to in the future, regardless of what the consensus ends up being. Random name (talk) 09:09, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Recent IP edits to Deep Purple articles
Hi! I couldn't help notice that IP user 4.242.174.130 has made a number of changes to Deep Purple related articles that are of dubious accuracy. I spotted it because I had to revert his edits to the "Hey Joe" article, in which he added a lot of incorrect info. I see that you've also reverted his edits on the Shades of Deep Purple album article. I suspect that most of his edits, across multiple articles were incorrect. Myself, I’m not terribly knowledgeable about Deep Purple and really don't feel qualified to verify the accuracy of his edits. Anyway, if you feel so inclined, perhaps you'd like to take a look at his edits - which can all be viewed here. Just wanted to give you the heads up! --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 14:28, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm in a similar situation - I got the obvious ones during my lunch break, but haven't time to chase anymore I'm afraid - I may have time later to check on other edits or raise it with an admin - the edits are clever as they are small edits, often done over several versions--C Hawke (talk) 14:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Alan Davey
I've reverted back to a previous "good" version, and I've done a very quick clean-up. I have no interest or knowledge in Davey's work, so can't add to the article I'm affraid. I think it does need a significant clean-up, and references of course would be good. The person who is deleting the text is Premiermaple (contribs), who appears to be Josh from Dreamspirit. He has form in the nasty vandalism of the Dave Brock and Hawkwind pages. I don't know what his problem is, but keep an eye out at what he's up to and don't be affraid to revert any changes he makes. I'm not going to have access to wikipedia for a few months, so I'm not going to be able to help you. — Drwhawkfan (talk) 12:19, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Many thanks - I'll keep an eye on it now, have fun away--C Hawke (talk) 14:09, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

 * It didn't take too long for someone to jump in there. I don't know what their problem is, but they're persistent. — Drwhawkfan (talk) 23:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Stop just deleting spacerocktrading, without posting a talk and without a good reason
Stop just deleting spacerocktrading, without posting a talk and without a good reason —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spacerock99 (talk • contribs) 23:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

"Does anyone collect 8-track?"
A friend of mine does. I myself have a few things on 8-track which are not duplicated by my thousands of LPs or thousands of CDs. 99.237.143.219 (talk) 22:01, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trioptimum Corporation

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was merge to System Shock. Rob Church Talk 00:59, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Trioptimum Corporation
Non Notable. System Shock and System Shock 2 are among my favourite games, but there is not very much you can really write about Trioptimum. DooM Drat 07:09, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. - DooM Drat 07:09, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with System Shock and leave a redirect. --Angr/undefined 07:40, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge as per Angr.  Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk   10:42, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page. Rob Church Talk 00:59, 20 October 2005 (UTC)


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Peter Kember

Peter Kember (born 19 November 1965), also known by his stage name Sonic Boom, is an English singer-songwriter, composer and record producer. He was a founding member, vocalist, guitarist and keyboardist of alternative rock band Spacemen 3, lasting from 1982 until the band's dissolution in 1991. He is now based in Sintra, Portugal.

He provided the production on MGMT's second album Congratulations, Panda Bear's albums Tomboy and Panda Bear Meets the Grim Reaper, and Beach House's album 7.

As a solo artist, Kember has recorded as Spectrum and E.A.R. (Experimental Audio Research), parallel musical projects with recordings under both names occasionally only featuring Kember. He has occasionally performed live under both monikers, most recently in 2008–11 as Spectrum, touring as a band in America and Europe. Kember has played and collaborated with a number of artists, including Stereolab and Yo La Tengo. Kember released his latest album of work, All Things Being Equal, in 2020 under the Sonic Boom name.

Early life and education
Kember lived in Dunchurch during his childhood, and attended Rugby School until he was 16. He later attended Rugby Art College where he met Jason Pierce.

Influences
In discussing music that was important to him, Kember mentioned Kraftwerk, Sam Cooke, Laurie Anderson, Pierre Henry & Michel Colombier, Bo Diddley, the Sandpipers, Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark (OMD) and George Faith.

Spacemen 3
Kember initially came to prominence as a member of the outfit Spacemen 3.

Sonic Boom
Kember's first solo album, Spectrum, was recorded in 1989 while Spacemen 3 were still a going concern, and featured the other members of the group. A second album, All Things Being Equal, was released in 2020.

Spectrum
Kember recruited new musicians Richard Formby, who had previously contributed guitar and keyboards to Sonic Boom's side of the final Spacemen 3 album Recurring, and Mike Stout for the group Spectrum in 1991. Initial Spectrum releases carried on from the sound of late-period Spacemen 3, featuring conventional songs and a regular band. First single "How You Satisfy Me" was an original composition by Kember and Formby reminiscent of 1960s garage bands, based as it was upon the Chip Taylor-penned pop hit "I Can't Let Go". 1992's Soul Kiss (Glide Divine) album was split between songs and longer experimental pieces featuring drones and repetition. Another single from the album, a cover version of Daniel Johnston's "True Love Will Find You in the End" reached number 70 on the UK singles charts. Formby departed the band as soon as the album was released and Stout left not long after. Highs, Lows and Heavenly Blows (1994) featured a new line-up, primarily Scott Riley (guitar/vocals) and Alf Hardy (engineer), but also including former Spacemen 3 bass player Pete Bassman (Pete Bain), was also mainly song-oriented with Scott co-writing and taking lead on Take Your Time. Kember has occasionally collaborated with Jessamine and Silver Apples under the Spectrum name.

Since 1996 the Spectrum name has been used for Kember's solo work, sometimes with Bain and recording engineer/musician Alf Hardy. The music made with Bain and Hardy was often in the same vein as E.A.R., reflecting an increased interest in vintage analogue synthesizers, especially those made by EMS. After issuing 1997's Forever Alien album, there were no further releases of new material under the Spectrum moniker until 2008's Indian Giver collaboration with Jim Dickinson. Kember has also worked with Füxa's Randall Nieman.

During 2008–11, a four-piece Spectrum toured extensively in America and Europe. This included providing main support for the 2008 reformation tour of My Bloody Valentine, and a performance at the All Tomorrow's Parties festival in May 2011. An EP, War Sucks, was released in 2009.

E.A.R.
Although the first E.A.R. album to be released (Mesmerised, 1994) was Kember on his own, the initial intention of E.A.R. was to record experimental "soundscape" music with collaborators. The second album, Beyond the Pale (1996), which was actually the first to be recorded, in 1992, included Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine, Kevin Martin and AMM's Eddie Prévost. The album was remixed by German musician Thomas Köner in 1997, and released as The Köner Experiment. Prévost also appeared on Phenomena 256 (1996) and Millennium Music (1998), both of which included a larger group of musicians. Data Rape (1998) was recorded solely by Kember, using the technique of circuit bending, which he continued to use on the Vibrations EP (2000) and Continuum album (2001). The latter two releases were made with assistance from Delia Derbyshire, formerly of the BBC Radiophonic Workshop, who also had a track named after her on the Spectrum album Forever Alien. The most recent E.A.R. release is Worn to a Shadow (2005).

Other musical collaborations
Kember has also played and collaborated with Birmingham band Magnétophone who were signed to 4AD Records, performing with them live on European tours between 2006 & 2007 (he also managed them during this period), The Field Trip, Stereolab, Yo La Tengo, Britta Phillips and Dean Wareham, Cheval Sombre, Cloudland Canyon, and Pat Fish of The Jazz Butcher, The Fields of Hay and with the Italian band Julie's Haircut.

2006 saw Kember mentor The Flowers of Hell through the creation of their self-titled debut, mixing and performing on a track and returning to do the same on the group's 2009 Come Hell or High Water album.

In 2022, Kember collaborated with Black Market Karma on a track The Sour Truth released in 2023. The single is produced by Kember and features him on synth and percussion.

Work as a producer
Kember produced Blair 1523's debut album, Beautiful Debris. He remixed Britta Phillips and Dean Wareham's L'Avventura album, releasing Sonic Souvenirs in 2003. In 2010, Kember undertook superervisory production on MGMT's second album, titled Congratulations. In 2011, he mixed and mastered Panda Bear's fourth album, Tomboy. In 2012 he produced TEEN's record In Limbo. In 2015, he co-produced Panda Bear's fifth album, Panda Bear Meets the Grim Reaper. He also did mixing work on Deakin's first solo work, Sleep Cycle, in 2016. Kember collaborated in the production of 7, the Beach House album released on 11 May 2018. He mixed Moon Duo's 2019 album, Stars Are the Light

As Sonic Boom
Albums:
 * Spectrum (1990)
 * All Things Being Equal (2020)
 * Reset (2022; collaboration with Panda Bear)

Singles/EPs:
 * Angel (1989)
 * Octaves/Tremolos (1990)
 * Drone Dream (1991)
 * Mechanical Man (1994)
 * The Sundowner (2000)
 * The Sour Truth (2023) (with Black Market Karma)

As Spectrum
Albums: Compilations and special releases:
 * Soul Kiss (Glide Divine) (1992)
 * Highs, Lows and Heavenly Blows (1994)
 * Forever Alien (1997)
 * A Lake of Teardrops [Spectrum & Silver Apples LP] (1999) (with Silver Apples)
 * What Came Before After (1994) [compilation]
 * A Lake of Teardrops (1999)
 * Live Chronicles Vol. 1 (2001) [live recordings]
 * Live Chronicles Vol. 2 (2001) [live recordings]
 * Refractions: Thru the Rhythms of Time 1989–1997 (2004) [compilation]
 * Indian Giver: Spectrum meets Cpt. Memphis (2008) [with Jim Dickinson]

Singles/EPs:
 * How You Satisfy Me (1992)
 * True Love Will Find You in the End (1992)
 * Super Sympathy Spectrum Stocking Stuffer (1992) [split EP with The Field Trip]
 * Indian Summer (1993)
 * Undo the Taboo (1994)
 * California Lullabye (1994)
 * Songs for Owsley [EP] (1996)
 * A Pox on You [Spectrum and Jessamine EP] (1996) [with Jessamine]
 * Feels Like I'm Slipping Away (1997)
 * Interface/Come Out to Play (1999) [split EP with Imajinery Friends]
 * War Sucks [EP] (2009)

As E.A.R. (Experimental Audio Research)
Albums, etc.:
 * Mesmerised (1994)
 * Beyond the Pale (1996, recorded 1992) [with Kevin Shields]
 * Phenomena 256 (1996)
 * The Köner Experiment (1997)
 * Millennium Music (1998)
 * Data Rape (1998)
 * Living Sound [E.A.R. & Jessamine] (1999)
 * Pestrepeller (1999) (Limited to 1900 copies)
 * Vibrations (2000)
 * Continuum (2001)
 * Worn to a Shadow (2005)

Packaging and formats
Spectrum and E.A.R. releases have often featured elaborate packaging, unusual formats, or limited editions. Some notable examples are:
 * The LP version of the Sonic Boom album Spectrum came with a revolving "Op art" sleeve. 2000 copies came with a slip allowing purchasers to also buy a limited 10" coloured vinyl EP.  The EP contained experimental drone recordings, with instructions to play at 16, 33, 45 or 78 RPM.
 * The group Spectrum's first album Soul Kiss (Glide Divine) was originally released in a transparent PVC sleeve, with a blue oil and water mixture contained within it. (These notoriously burst when being shipped to record store). The LP was pressed on transparent vinyl.
 * E.A.R.'s first single release was Pocket Symphony, a 5" vinyl record with cover art by Anthony Ausgang.
 * E.A.R.'s "Sub Aqua / Tidal / Lunar" (1995) was an 8" vinyl release, a picture disc with a locked groove at the end of the second side.
 * "Sputnik" (1997), a split single with Thurston Moore and Don Fleming on the other side, was pressed on glittery 7" vinyl.
 * Another 7" single, "Data Rape (Part 9)" has a drawing by artist Savage Pencil scratched onto the B-side instead of music.
 * 1998's "Death of a Robot" is pressed on 9" clear vinyl.

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Talk:San Petronio, Bologna

Fresco of Mohammed in Hell
Why is there no mention of the fresco depicting Mohammed being tortured in hell, and of consequent attempts to attack the fresco and/or the church? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.59.159 (talk) 09:58, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

"città d'arte"
What's a better translation than "art city", which is translationese, not English? --Wetman 07:11, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

"a city remarkable for its fine art and architecture" ? --Biopresto 23:31, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

WHY is the facade unfinished?
What was the problem? Why were the plans of 4 architects rejected? Why is it half done according to one plan? WHY WHY WHY? Maybe it's not even an interesting reason, but that's the first question I ask looking at the building, and the answer is nowhere :p 82.71.1.116 (talk) 00:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I heard they ran out of money. That's what my Bolognese tour guide said to me today, actually. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.204.150.199 (talk) 20:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

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Notable Events
Both 'Notable Events' did not take place in the Middle Ages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.86.90.39 (talk) 22:03, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Why is the Basilica pink? Can’t find. Nothing about that.Thzz as no you
Why is the Basilica pink?

Thank you

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Figurehead

In politics, a figurehead is a practice of who de jure (in name or by law) appears to hold an important and often supremely powerful title or office, yet de facto (in reality) exercises little to no actual power. This usually means that they are head of state, but not head of government. The metaphor derives from the carved figurehead at the prow of a sailing ship.

Examples
Heads of state in most constitutional monarchies and parliamentary republics are often considered to be figureheads. Commonly cited ones include the monarch of the United Kingdom, who is also head of state of the other Commonwealth realms and head of the Commonwealth, but has no power over the nations in which the sovereign is not head of government and does not exercise power in the realms on their own initiative. Other figureheads include the Emperor of Japan and the Swedish monarch, as well as presidents in a majority of parliamentary republics, such as the presidents of India, Israel, Bangladesh, Ethiopia, Greece, Italy, Germany, Austria, Pakistan, Singapore and Iraq.

In one-party communist states, the role of the head of state is also a de jure figurehead with few legally-defined powers, although in many cases the position has simultaneously been held by the party general secretary, who is the de facto leader. During Deng Xiaoping's leadership, the presidency of the People's Republic of China was held by two figureheads, Li Xiannian and Yang Shangkun. Since 1993, the position has also been held by the CCP General Secretary.

During the crisis of the March on Rome in 1922, King Victor Emmanuel III of Italy, though a figurehead, played a key role in handing power to Benito Mussolini. He also played a key role in the latter's dismissal in 1943.

The word could also be derogatorily used to refer to a powerful leader, who nominally exercises full authority, but is actually controlled by a more powerful figure behind the throne.

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Cajeput tree

Cajeput tree is a common name used for a certain classification of tree that has a white spongy bark that is flexible and can easily flake off the trunk. The cajeput tree is of the genus Melaleuca, native to Australia and is commonly known in North America as the tea tree. The name 'cajeput tree' is primarily used for the species M. cajuputi, M. leucadendra, M. linariifolia, M. viridiflora and M. quinquenervia. Other names for these trees are the paperbark tree, punk tree, or the white bottlebrush tree. Similar subtropical trees from the eucalyptus family are evergreens with pointed leaves and white, red or green flowers.

Invasive species in Florida
Melaleuca quinquenervia is considered an invasive species in swampy areas of Florida. It was introduced into the United States both as an ornamental tree and to control erosion in swamps.

Uses of the cajeput tree
The various parts of the cajeput tree, specifically Melaleuca leucadendra, have many known uses.
 * Its flaky bark can be utilised for weaving. It is also used to caulk boats, making them waterproof. Aborigines of Australia often used the cajeput tree bark for shields, canoes, roofing material and timber.
 * Its fruits are used as food seasoning in Southeast Asia, where this species is found locally.
 * The cajeput trees are a source of cajeput oil in Southeast Asia, an essential oil that is extracted from the leaves and twigs of the tree. Cajeput oil is primarily used in aromatherapy, as an expectorant, painkiller, antifungal oil and skin mite reducer. The oil is produced by steam distillation of the M. leucadendra and M. quinquenervia species. A similar essential oil known as tea-tree oil is extracted from the species M. alternifolia, a native of Australia. Melaleuca pollen can be an allergen and tea-tree oil may cause allergic reactions for some people. Cajeput trees grown in Australia are well known for having powerful therapeutic properties. Compared to other countries, Australia's cajeput contains high amounts of anti-infectious properties (cineol, pinene and others).

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Talk:Santa Maria sopra Minerva

Untitled
"Today considered the only Gothic church in Rome (though other church's [sic] in the city have a Gothic background choked by subsequent modifications)", The modification added to this statement would be better if it were supported by an example, patly to demonstrate that its contributor grasps "Gothic". --Wetman 07:14, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

 * The section on the Santa Maria sopra Minerva of Assisi deserves amplification on its own. At present it does not quite fit in this article Draconarius 08:30, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

St. Catherine's Park (in New York City)
Please note the references to the church in this New York City park: http://www.nycgovparks.org/parks/stcatherinesparkFrunobulax (talk)!

Communion of the Apostles (Barocci)
Could someone link to this orphaned article? Perhaps list in under artwork? Gbawden (talk) 07:43, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion
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Boming of Rome during WW2
I removed the note: "Unlike Naples or Palermo, Rome was never bombed in World War II, which in those cities led to some overnight "re-Gothification'. The Gothic Revival church of Sacro Cuore del Suffragio, built 1890-1917, is an anomaly inspired by the Duomo of Milan."

Information on other churches is irrelevant to this article. Statement that Rome was never bombed is incorrect. In an air raid of 19 July 1943, the Basilica of San Lorenzo fuori le Mure was hit and damaged, and the Campo Verano cemetery was hit. The tomb of the Pacelli family was destroyed, and Pope Pius XII's parents were scattered to the winds. He complained loudly about the violation of agreements.

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Europa (record label)

Europa (styled as EUROPA) is a German record label, originally owned by Miller International Records Company (Germany). It has since belonged to the MCA Inc. and Bertelsmann Music Group, and is now owned by Sony Corporation of America. It was once well known for its very successful radio plays for children and young people. The founder of Europa, American ex-pat David L. Miller, is best known outside of Germany for creating 101 Strings.

History of the Europa label

 * 1956: The Miller International Record Company is formed by David L. Miller, Wilhelm Wille and Andreas Erich Beurmann in Quickborn near Hamburg. They will create the label Europa. Their aim is to produce low-cost language courses, classical music and Background music. They also produce an LP of fairy tales of the Brothers Grimm, narrated by Hans Paetsch. This would become the foundation-stone of Europa's success as a record label.
 * 1958: Miller International inaugurates a stereo label, called Stereo-Fidelity.
 * 1966: Europa-Kinderserie is born and the first radio plays are produced, featuring fairy tales and adventure stories. Such radio plays are rare at the time, and the label only has moderate success.
 * 1980s: Europa produce H. G. Francis's films. Douglas Welbat is responsible for the film scripts of the series Macabros and Larry Brent.

Directors
There have been four directors of the label:
 * 1) 1966-1968 - the era of Sieglinde Dziallas. Dziallas, was the friend of Berumann, the joint founder.  He used the alias Claudius Brac during the first years. During Dziallas' tenure, Beurmann attracted many more Hamburg stage actors to record the radio plays, including Hans Paetsch, Benno Gellenbeck, Peter Folken, Horst Fleck and Marga Massberg.
 * 2) 1968-1972 - the era of Konrad Halver. In 1968, Dziallas suddenly died, and Beurmann withdrew from active production of the radio plays. Halver wrote and directed films and produced radio plays of Karl May's Winnetou novels. Altogether Halver produced about 75 radio plays.
 * 3) 1972-1973 - the era of Dagmar von Kurmin. In 1972, Halver left Europa, and for a short time von Kurmin oversaw the production of some 15 radio plays, including some by Karl May and Moby-Dick by Herman Melville.
 * 4) 1973–present - the era of Heikedine Körting. Under Körting's direction many series have been produced, including Edgar Wallace, The three investigators, TKKG, Sherlock Holmes, Commander Perkins, Perry Rhodan, Die Funk-Füchse and Die Gruselserie. Since end of the 1990s, André Minninger has also produced the radio plays. Minninger is also the author of some of the German Three investigators Novels.  Some of the radio plays produced during Körting's tenure have received gold and platinum discs.

Carsten Bohn controversy
A further success guarantor was the music of Carsten Bohn. Bohn felt that he was not sufficiently paid for his compositions and a legal dispute ensued. As a consequence, the Europa label has been unable to use his compositions since the mid-1980s.

Decline and renaissance
At the end of the 1980s, bad sales figures caused radio play production to slow down. The main reason cited for the declining sales was that children and young people were no longer interested in radio plays, preferring instead to play computer games. At the beginning of the 1990s, the two series The three investigators and TKKG were essentially all that Europa produced. However, from end of the 1990s, radio plays have experienced a renaissance. With the rise of the Internet, there has been new interest in the old radio plays, and demand for new productions has also risen strongly. Increased sales of tapes and LPs provided a revenue stream which made a renewed radio play boom possible. Beginning in 2000, Europa presented the old radio plays under the slogan "Rückkehr der Klassiker" ("Return of the classics"). In addition there was a renewed interest in The three investigators, considered the label's flagship product. New series were produced, aimed at young listeners. In 2006, the series Teufelskicker was produced: an official licensed product of the Football World Cup.

title: Europa (record label)


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User talk:Outrate

hello

i have been adding links throughout wiki to outrate.net, where i think that such links are relevant and add to wiki listings. i received a message from an administrator called THE ANOME in which he said he felt i was a link spammer as entries containing words such as "####" were being hashed and then reading ####.

i believe the problem is that i was updating wiki pages from my work email, which has a "net nanny" program which automoatically hashes any words it considers adult. i didn't realise that this would affect existing content on wiki pages, so that's an accident for which i apologise.

i am not a link spammer.

could you please lift my editing ban, and i will be sure to add outrate links to wiki pages only from my home page in future.

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