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Talk:Kris Kristofferson

Kristofferson Narrated the award-winning documentary about military children: "Brats: Our Journey Home". That should be in the article
The documentary is about the children of career military families. The documentary won 19 awards and Kristofferson is the main narrator as well as having written much of the score music and also being one of the documentaries subjects. Kristofferson was one of these children himself. Shouldn't this be in the Wikipedia article? The subject of Kristofferson being an ex-military brat, and also the documentary are worthy of their own small section I would think. I saw this film and was blown away by it (I am also a former brat). This is a major work and should be noted in the article.

70.219.67.243 (talk) 03:51, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Naked motorcycle statue
I've removed this from the article: "Students of Merton College later voted that the college should erect a statue of Kristofferson, naked astride a motorcycle of his choice, in Front Quad but funds were never made available."

Lord knows I want this to be true, and if there is any justice in this world it should be true, but I can't find any evidence of it being true. I've removed it because it was added nearly two years ago by an anon (User:193.130.125.61) who had gotten a vandalism warning the day before. S/he added nothing else to this article. No source was provided. I can't find any google hits that aren't wiki, wiki mirrors, or sites which refer to wiki or a wiki mirror. I can't find anything on Lexis/Nexis or on the BBC News site. In the absence of any sort of source or proof, I have to reluctantly conclude that this is a hoax. Gamaliel 08:18, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

 * The naked motorcycle story is true. The Junior Common Room (the undergraduate student body) of Merton College passed two separate motions to this effect in the early 1980s.  As far as I can remember, the second of them was passed in either 1983 or 1984.  It may be possible to verify this by contacting the secretary of the JCR - minute books of the time may still be available.  Alternatively, it may be that other old Mertonians who were present when the motion was passed (as I was) would like to confirm this by adding to this page.  I have not reinstated the reference because of the scepticism of the previous writer and will leave it to others to decide the fate of the text. Miss Worswick

 * I can also confirm the naked motorcycle story is definitely true. The first motion to this effect was passed by the JCR (the students) in 1980, and requests were made to the College to make funds available for this project.  Regrettably, none were forthcoming.  I was present during the subsequent debate in 1984, confirming the student opinion, which the College again chose to ignore.  I'm not exactly sure how you go about re-instating the text of the article, so I request someone more advance in wiki puts this valid reference back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.168.7.186 (talk • contribs)

 * Indeed it is a true story. I cannot imagine that minutes of JCR meetings stretch back as far as the early 1980s but if they did the story could be readily confirmed.  It might be deemed, though, that this episode, though amusing in its way, is less to do with Kris Kristofferson and more to do with student high-jinks. Galatian 10:19, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

 * The story certainly is one of student "humour" but that is not concealed, the story is true and the subject of the humour was Kris Kristofferson. I would argue that it is therefore appropriate to reinstate the story.  I have done so. Miss Worswick 11:29, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I've removed the story again. Information included in Wikipedia must be verifiable and sourced. Gamaliel 23:29, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

 * And notable. FireWorks 06:44, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I have just read this comment. I am not disputing the removal of the story from the main page on the grounds that it is not adequately verifiable or sourced but I do feel that the story is notable.  The point is moot but, for the record, should acceptable proof of the story surface I would feel justified in restoring it the page. Miss Worswick  —Preceding undated comment added 10:32, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Certainly not VERY notable, an attempted sophomoric prank that had no chance whatsoever of succeeding. It's not surprising that no objective, reputable, verifiable source has emerged. Why would one? TheScotch (talk) 22:14, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

David Icke
I added a 'Trivia' section with a note about David Icke's "reptilian agenda" theories concerning Kristofferson. Other Kristofferson fans can flesh-out the section with more mundane trivia. ChildeRolandofGilead 07:59, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Icke's theories do not belong on the Kris Kristofferson page unless they pertain to Kristofferson and are proven. They are not. JG 08:19, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

How do you prove Kristofferson is a reptilian alien? Anyway, I think this would be a funny and relevant addition, but only if the information is sourced. Gamaliel 09:49, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

It is funny, except for the part accusing Kristofferson of pedophilia. I may think KK is a purple unicorn from Neptune, but that probably shouldn't be added either. JG 10:28, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Point taken, we can at least agree that the pedophilia stuff should be left out. Gamaliel 10:34, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Look, if someone is accussed of being reptilian by someone else in the media, it really ought to be mentioned- I mean it's not really an accusation to be taken lightly- for one thing, it would mean he can't produce live young and is cold-blooded. 80.177.170.112

Trivia sections should not be on Wikipedia biographies; any relevant info should be incorporated in relevant sections of the article; most trivia should not be in the article at all. Icke's strange claims should be in Icke's article, but not anywhere else, unless there is good reason for it. Icke is not credible, so accusations from him should not be on articles of the people he has accused of anything. Any claim that Kristofferson is a reptile is clearly false; unsubstantiated accusations against a person should not be on the accused's article. Information yes (talk) 06:48, 23 June 2009 (UTC) :Au contraire, Mr. 80...It is indeed "an accusation" "to be taken lightly", precisely because it's nonsensical. TheScotch (talk) 22:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Kris Kristofferson movies
You left out one of my favorites--the all-star TV remake of Stagecoach, as Ringo, with Johnny Cash, June Cash and son, Tony Fransciosa, Willie Nelson, David Allen Coe, Waylon Jennings, John Schneider, etc. etc. etc.!!!152.31.160.126 15:52, 9 May 2006 (UTC)Jed Taub

 * It's DAVID ALLAN COE not Allen.
 * True, but I know why this happens. Fiction writer Edgar Allan Poe's middle name is sometimes spelled Allen, even in encyclopedias!! That name is damn close to the author's. (purpose, obviously!) -andy 80.129.105.81 18:40, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

This is my first time doing any editting, so bear with me. I stuck in I'm Not There, the Bob Dylan biography. Kristofferson narrates it, right at the start. Kammerice (talk) 23:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Wasn't he in the films, "Rollover" and "Miracle in the Wilderness"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.16.198.119 (talk) 15:05, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

His ancestors were Swedes!
Yes, he told that to the audience on his 2004 live performance in Hultsfred (SWE). The only problem is I have no idea where to put this best in the article. Any suggestions? -andy 80.129.105.81 18:28, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Here is a reference that you may want to use. Hurukan 03:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Sports Illustrated Face in the Crowd?
My wife just mentioned that KK is mentioned in her latest issue of Sports Illustrated's 50 years of Faces in the Crowd issue. Apparently he was a Golden Gloves boxer, in addition to his having been singled out as a Face in the Crowd by SI. It doesn't look like there's any reference to it in his early bio. Is SI verifiable enough? VisibleInk 21:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Two for Texas
Is there any reason that "Two For Texas" isn't mentioned on this page? See http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0135017/ --TimothyJacobson (talk) 20:53, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Kris da Kommie?
I've watched and listened to this video clip a couple of times and Kristofferson quite plainly, specifically and proudly admits to being a Communist. Of course, this whole textual love fest would be quite ruined if anything caustic were posted about him.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/59844/the-colbert-report-thu-feb-26-2009

These other two links were just evidence that most Rhodes scholars like Kristofferson are at least lefty enough to be Socialists. Hmmm. A pattern, or just a coincidence... http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_108950.html

http://people.howstuffworks.com/13-famous-rhodes-scholars.htm

I just forgot my log in and password. I figured a real posting would just be a hassle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.158.21 (talk) 08:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Anyone else uncomfortable with the amount of passive-aggressive right-wing sneering in this entry? 82.32.160.97 (talk) 16:34, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Middle name?
Here the info box gives birth name as first and last names, no middle name. IMDb gives a middle name: Kristian. So does somebody have evidence that IMDb is wrong? If so, why has IMDb not been corrected? We can do that too. If not, why is the middle name not given here in Wikipedia? I notice that someone (unnamed, 75.48.164.205) did insert the middle name in the box (2009-01-03T04:31:52) and in the first sentence (2009-01-03T04:33:03) but All Hallow's Wraith undid all that (2009-02-08T07:16:48) as "unsourced". is IMDb not to be trusted? Or did IMDb get it from here? Where did the anonymous 75.48.164.205 get the middle name from if it is untrue? 88.105.80.161 Iph (talk) 12:18, 25 March 2009 (UTC) I added the last bit a few mnutes after the first bit yesterday but today I see that apparently in a window where I wasn't logged in so I'm fixing that now.Iph (talk) 14:43, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Father
Not sure I'm doing this right as this is my first Wiki entry, but I've been through the help pages and portals and I think it's unbelievable how complicated Wiki has made this website. I just want to report a factual error in Kris Kristofferson's bio. I don't know the correct info, so I can't enter that, but I do know there is a factual error. The bio says his dad was a U.S. Air Force Major General. This is not possible since Kris was born in 1936 and the Air Force was not created until 1947. My guess is that his dad was actually in the Army Air Corps from which the Air Force was born, but I do not know that for a fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.222.2.126 (talk) 23:57, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

His father was in the US Army Air Corps and the US Air Force. He flew during WWII and Korea according to this interview: http://www.thefader.com/2009/11/05/qa-kris-kristofferson/ Tgpaul58 (talk) 05:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Age
I don't think, somehow, that Mr Kristofferson was born in the 1700's. I would rectify this myself but I don't actually know how old he is. --My name is slim Davey 21:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fred Burma (talk • contribs)

He was born on June 22 1936, making him 72. I too would change it, but I'm not autoconfirmed yet :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tremendosaurus (talk • contribs) 14:41, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Alcolo-Dependace
Some of Kristofferson's songs speak of alcolo-dependance. These include "Sunday Morning" and "Beat the Devil." As Mr Kristofferson himself has raised the subject (by the medium of his songs), should this issue not be considered on Wikipedia?--PeadarMaguidhir (talk) 18:09, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Whatever goes into an article about a living person has to be supported by reliable secondary sources, per our policy on biographies of living people. We cannot deduce things from song lyrics - I'm fairly sure that Queen had not tied their mothers down, for example, or even done the fandango... --Stephan Schulz (talk) 18:16, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not even sure what "alcolo-dependance" is, but saying that anyone raised a subject through their songs is speculative at best and a gross WP:BLP at worst. Janis Joplin recorded Me and Bobby McGee, does that mean that either her or Kristofferson were ever busted flat in Baton Rouge? Nah. Wildhartlivie (talk) 18:30, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

99.71.110.9 (talk) 13:01, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

It's true that many of his songs seem to be written from the point of view of a struggling, active alcoholic. It's reasonable to point that out, IMO. I did find an interview where he talks about past drinking, for what it's worth. I quote:

"By that time he was, like his character, a fully fledged boozehound. "I had a half-gallon of Jose Cuervo in my trailer and they never let it empty. They just kept coming back in and filling it up, same half-gallon bottle. I don't know how much I was drinking, but it was a lot, and I had to quit it soon after. Doctor said my liver was the size of a football and that if I didn't quit, I was gonna kill myself. I had a new little daughter, so I quit. I drink wine today, but at the time I just went cold turkey. It was probably harder on the people around me than on myself." 98.229.4.47 (talk)burgo — Preceding undated comment added 01:54, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

This page is about KK, not his kids' wrestling careers!
Removed the stuff about his kids' wrestling careers from the "personal life" section. If someone wants to create pages for them, that's fine, but the info isn't relevant here. 173.249.64.220 (talk) 12:59, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Meeting of Kristofferson and Cash
During a documentary on CMT, both Johnny Cash and Kris Kristofferson spoke of how they first met. Kristofferson was a pilot with the Tennessee National Guard and took a helicopter and landed in Cash's Back yard while Cash and his wife, June Carter were sitting on the porch. Cash said any man who'd land a helicopter in his back yard to get him to listen to his music just had to be listened to.

--184.155.76.155 (talk) 23:52, 25 January 2014 (UTC)Sewman1957@yahoo.com

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Chronic Lyme
Kris Kristofferson (or is it his wife) believes he has chronic lyme disease. We can't say this without making clear this is not an acknowledged medical condition; see WP:PSCI. Alexbrn (talk) 03:20, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, my understanding from public reports is that he went untreated for a long time - so this is not controversial at all at this point. The controversial topic is the proper management of a lingering set of nonspecific complaints in people who have already been treated for Lyme disease, and in whom there is no demonstrable infection (some advocate long-term antibiotics, when well-designed clinical trials have not supported that approach). This post-treatment syndrome is not the same as untreated Lyme disease. The terminology is confusing, but untreated symptomatic Lyme disease is a well-established and potentially serious condition that requires treatment (cf. 2006 IDSA Guidelines for treating Lyme Disease ). — soupvector (talk) 00:21, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * As the Gorski piece makes clear, KK has been "diagnosed" (using dubious methods) with this fake disease by various advocates of it (and is now being "treated" with some very dubious things indeed). We cannot say in Wikipedia's voice that he "has" chronic lyme disease because it is not a medically accepted condition - we'd make Wikipedia as credulous as the HuffPo source. Per WP:PSCI when we mention chronic lyme disease we have to be clear that it's dodgy. I shall raise a query at WP:FT/N. Alexbrn (talk) 03:08, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I do not believe that it is desirable to use Scienceblogs.com as a source for information about a BLP. The HuffPo "blog" source cannot be used at all because it is prohibited by WP:BLPSPS.  It isn't a blog post by a news media organization.  It's no different from a WordPress blog.  It is labeled at the end with this disclaimer:  "This post is hosted on the Huffington Post's Contributor platform. Contributors control their own work and post freely to our site. If you need to flag this entry as abusive, send us an email."
 * Accordingly, I've removed the sentence. WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:11, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * That seems a satisfactory solution for now. Alexbrn (talk) 06:13, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * agree w/ WAID per --Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 11:22, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks all - this has been going on for a month. — soupvector (talk) 20:50, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

It looks like User:Truegirl11 is making some progress on figuring out some of Wikipedia's complicated rules. So, congratulations to her (or him). The latest source is to Rolling Stone magazine, which is generally considered a reliable source for claims that a celebrity claims to have a medical condition. Also, to be clear, the source mentions Lyme disease, not Chronic Lyme disease, and that's what Truegirl11 wrote.

Now we should talk about whether it's important enough – in an encyclopedic summary of Kristofferson's life – to mention it at all. (Truegirl11, just click the [Edit] button at the top of this section, scroll down to the end, and type your comments. You can get a "signature", complete with automagic date stamp, by clicking the item in the editing window's blue toolbar, that looks like someone writing with a pen.)

My inclination is not to mention it, because this is the only WP:Reliable source that mentions it, because the mention is relatively brief (about two paragraphs in a long article), and because it's not desirable for an article about a musician to have a catalog of medical conditions. The same source mentions multiple medical things: traumatic brain injuries, substance abuse problems, heart bypass surgery, Alzheimer's (now disclaimed by his wife), and memory loss. I'm sure that if we did a serious search, we could find even more: perhaps bad knees or lower back pain from wrestling and the military? weak lungs from smoking? occasional pre-cancerous spots that need removing (people with his coloring have a higher incidence)?

It's not clear to me why either the memory loss (announced in 2013, with a different source) or the Lyme disease diagnosis should be mentioned, much less why they should be the only ones mentioned. It doesn't feel like it helps anyone understand what makes him notable. It just feels like trivia. WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:25, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Completely agree - I saw the new addition and left it alone (since the source had improved) to allow others to consider this question of notability in a BLP. I'm inclined to leave out a medical condition without more compelling evidence from reliable sources that this is notable. I agree that the edit is much better than what preceded, and would be happy to have participate in this discussion (and as a constructive WP editor generally). — soupvector (talk) 15:48, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

If someone was diagnosed with cancer, it would be left alone on here. His doctor confirmed his Lyme with a blood test and clinical diagnoses. This was a big impact on his life and the family believed this saved his life. I feel this is peoples personal beliefs that Lyme doesn't exist that are in play, rather then facts. I'm trying to adhere to all the rules on here and are still being faulted. I would appreciate if people left this up, because I'm following all the rules on here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truegirl11 (talk • contribs) 19:20, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * On the contrary - I have no doubt at all that Lyme disease is an important health problem; e.g., near the top of this section I said "my understanding from public reports is that he went untreated for a long time - so this is not controversial at all at this point." The issue here is that Wikipedia must represent the degree of notability as represented in reliable sources, guided by the context of a biography of a living person. has rightly asked whether reliable sources have emphasized this diagnosis sufficiently to warrant coverage in an encyclopedia, and the coverage is indeed scant at this point. No one is displaying bias against any particular diagnosis - they're just following policy and discussing. Very glad you're engaged, and let's see how this settles out as others weigh in. There's no deadline - this is an encyclopedia, not a news medium. — soupvector (talk) 20:39, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Truegirl11, thanks for joining us for a chat!
 * As it happens, I've personally pulled unsourced claims about cancer from multiple articles about living people, so, no, it wouldn't necessarily have been left alone. Also, "cancer" is a broad class of things, and the most common type (the non-melanoma skin cancers) is normally a quite unimportant disease.  However, I recognize the justice of what you're saying:  people who don't know any better tend to over-react to the word "cancer" and under-react to any type of non-sexually transmitted infection.
 * But, no matter how true that is in the real world, Wikipedia articles aren't really based on the "impact on his life". They're based on what reliable sources care about, as demonstrated by what the sources write about.  So far, the reliable sources seem to care more about his heart bypass surgery (for example, ) and alcoholism (for example, ) than about his Lyme diagnosis (one source, which spends more time talking about the bypass surgery and alcoholism).
 * In the real world, these are all medical conditions that affected his life, and I'm sure that his family and fans are grateful that he didn't die of heart disease or complications of addiction, just like they're grateful that he's feeling better now. But in Wikipedia terms, we'd have to give more attention to the medical conditions that the sources care the most about, which isn't the Lyme diagnosis.
 * And in human terms, with some respect for his privacy, I can't support cramming in a list of medical conditions just so we can justify mentioning this one. I think it's better to leave out things like the bypass surgery, even though there were entire articles written about that.  This can be justified under Wikipedia's content policies, because he's not notable for "being sick" (unlike Terry Fox, for example).  Kristofferson is notable for music and acting.  We probably can't leave out the alcoholism, because sources have connected that to his song lyrics, but I think we can omit the rest and let him (hopefully) recover in peace.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:37, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

There's a section in there that says, "In November 2013 Kristofferson revealed that he had suffered from memory loss for several years." Why is discussing that health issue on his page ok and mine not? Respectfully disagree that we should only put conditions that sources care about. It should be telling the whole truth about a subject, not what we think people want to hear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truegirl11 (talk • contribs) 05:39, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking that we should kill the memory loss bit, too. In fact, I'll do that now, so everyone can see what I think it should look like.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:30, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Given the cautions around biographies of living persons, and the limited coverage of this topic in reliable sources, I think WAID's caution is appropriate. Let's see how coverage develops and if this becomes a prominent story in reliable sources, the argument for inclusion will be stronger. — soupvector (talk) 11:07, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

The memory loss has been up there forever, until I mentioned it. While mine was immediately swarmed on. I also can go onto his page right now and there's a lot of citation needed in spots, bad sources and everyone leaves that alone. I'm following all the rules, so I would appreciate if it was left alone. His life achievements is also not defined by divorce and it's on there. Stuff like divorce and Lyme Disease are up there because it's in the section about personal life. We're supposed to write about what's going on his his personal life. If I wrote about Lyme Disease in his musical career section, then I would understand it's not relevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truegirl11 (talk • contribs) 05:56, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * We really are NOT "supposed to write about what's going on his his personal life" - what we ARE supposed to do is create an encyclopedia that accurately represents coverage in reliable sources - which is the criterion we've been discussing. If there are other things that seem improper, either in terms of sourcing or emphasis, then those should be fixed too but they don't alter the current discussion. — soupvector (talk) 18:16, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

 * Then Why have a personal life section if you can't talk about his personal life? That doesn't make sense to me. I have been trying very hard to follow the rules that you have laid out. This seems more like a personal choice that you don't want it up there, then the rules. There's nothing rule breaking of what I have up on there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truegirl11 (talk • contribs) 18:52, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

 * I wasn't very clear in my first sentence - what I meant to say was that our goal is to cover what reliable sources cover, with similar emphasis (rather than keeping current for its own sake, which is why I linked the first part of that first sentence to WP:NOTNEWS). So, if reliable sources were to demonstrate significant coverage of Lyme, for example, then that would be appropriate here. — soupvector (talk) 19:03, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining that, that I do get. I also feel Rolling Stone is a reliable source. I'm not trying to be a pain. I just want to tell information as a whole and not have big holes in the story. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truegirl11 (talk • contribs) 06:36, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The only reason it's being included at all is that Rolling Stone is a reliable source; however, that article only briefly mentions Lyme, and there is no other significant coverage of this story in reliable sources - when you think of all the reliable sources that could cover this, it makes one wonder whether our coverage here might be undue weight - since our mandate is to represent the coverage in those sources, collectively. — soupvector (talk) 12:58, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

I just feel that the only way stuff gets left up on here is if it's popular and on the news, instead of explaining the whole story. To me that's not very educational and completely biased. It makes me distrust what's on here, because it's heavily censored and only shows a few viewpoints. This isn't directed at you, more at the wikipedia community as a whole. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truegirl11 (talk • contribs) 20:38, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry you feel that way, because I think it's clear why we rely on the coverage of reliable sources - that's the nature of an encyclopedia. If the sources are biased (and I think we all agree that there are systemic biases for western European viewpoints, for example) then we will be subject to similar biases. That said, though, it's better than leaving it to the whims of the editors here. While editors' whims do affect what they add or remove, the crowd-sourced nature of WP allows a community-balanced trend toward accurate representation of reliable sources. This only works if we get LOTS of editors - so I hope you'll stay engaged and contribute broadly. There are so many topics - try some that you know are notable and verifiable but aren't covered well here, and I think you'll find that it becomes more comfortable. You clearly are knowledgeable and articulate - so you have a lot to offer. — soupvector (talk) 20:57, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

 * Thanks, but I'll probably not contribute much after this. I shouldn't have to to choose a less controversial subject so it doesn't get censored. If someone follows all the rules, it should be left alone. Thanks for taking the time to explain this for me, but I'm left feeling very disheartened from the wikipedia process. Again this is not directed at you, but wikipedia as a whole. Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truegirl11 (talk • contribs) 02:51, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I wish you the best, and I am sorry you're frustrated. I think the "censorship" characterization is inaccurate; we're just following the well-established rules that we have cited here. I hope you'll stay and contribute - this is the world's encyclopedia. If you'd like to consult with other editors, please consider visiting the tea house. — soupvector (talk) 03:10, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

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Fraternity membership
This page said that he was a member of Delta Kappa fraternity at Ponoma College. According to the college's website there is no organization at the school by that name, but there is a Kappa Delta local fraternity there. I assume that the letters got crossed in an edit. I didn't see anything in the reference to say he was a member though. Here is a link to the local fraternity: https://claremont.collegiatelink.net/organization/kappadelta/about

A list of old greek organizations at Ponoma is here: https://www.pomona.edu/administration/archives/blog/posts/13-11-21-Greek-Life

Also, be careful not to confuse the local fraternity with Kappa Delta national sorority. Gooseneck41 (talk) 13:39, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

First Paragraph
At the beginning...in the lead...not the lede...it says he is a singer songwriter and a musician...isn`t that a bit redundant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:BD95:45F0:29DD:7A9D:C5DF:8A4B (talk) 03:15, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

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Info on Jesus Was a Capricorn?
Does anyone know of any sources that give more information on Jesus Was a Capricorn? I love that album but it seems underappreciated. Would love to expand its entry. Tactical Fiend (talk) 18:42, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Lyme Disease Discussion -- Revisited.
After having inserted the WP link for Lyme Disease, I just found the lengthy exchange on how to handle this information. My main suggestion here is to (a) Accept the the WP link as just added OR (b) Rephrase this paragraph OR (c) Just remove it and be done with it.

Essentially, this consideration of a link should NOT hinge on issues like privacy, quality of source, a diagnosis of "Lyme Disease" versus "Chronic Lyme disease", the confusion of the misdiagnosis, the extent or nature of his medical issues, quality of life issues, or medical bias. Those are all factors influencing the consideration of *content* to remain. (I'm keeping out of the discussion of whether the article should have that information.)

My single point is: If WP editors believe that this information merits inclusion, then retain this information. However, if not, it should be removed. ...The solution should NOT be leaving it as is currently phrased without a WP link to "Lyme Disease." Gprobins (talk) 22:04, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Barbra Streisand
This is a VERY minor point. Under "associated acts", Barbra Streisand's name is misspelled. She was named "Barbara" at birth, but changed it. That fact is well-known, since she made much of it. - Barbara (not Barbra) Yvonne Maxwell Myboo127 (talk) 13:59, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Number of Children
The linked source for his children is a bad link and nothing I can find mentions the 9th child “from his time as a helicopter pilot in Germany.” Source? 2601:405:4A80:43E0:D12D:F201:8B9E:4BE1 (talk) 04:41, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Unreliable Lyme claims
I reverted medical claims not supported by reliable medical sources. There has been discussion on Kristofferson's treatment by unreliable practitioners on this talk page. David Gorski calls Kristofferson the "latest celebrity quackery victim".

There is no source I've seen supporting a claim that "In 2006, Kristofferson was diagnosed with Lyme disease". Additionally, the "functional medicine" doctor (who works for Amen Clinics and who is not a neurologist) who diagnosed Kristofferson admits the initial Lyme testing was negative and his "treatment" started in 2016. Experts found no good evidence to support claims that Lyme disease causes Alzheimer's. Experts also agree "Immunoglobulin G (IgG) seronegativity in an untreated patient with months to years of symptoms essentially rules out the diagnosis of Lyme disease, barring laboratory error or a rare humoral immunodeficiency state." ScienceFlyer (talk) 04:53, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Retronymster Thank you for your good faith efforts to improve this article. However, I still see no reliable medical source for your continued reverts. You write

I did not say that CBS News was an unreliable source. However, the particular article is churnalism and relies entirely on reporting by Rolling Stone and British tabloid Closer magazine. Additionally, all my criticisms above still stand. As I wrote on your talk page: Where is there any source saying he was diagnosed with Lyme disease in 2006? Where is any reliable medical source saying he had Lyme disease at all? Where is any reliable medical source supporting that long-term memory loss is caused by Lyme disease? ScienceFlyer (talk) 16:04, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

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Córas na Poblachta

Córas na Poblachta (Republican System) was a minor Irish republican political party founded in 1940.

Origins

The idea for a new party was discussed at a meeting in Dublin on 21 February 1940 attended by 104 former officers of the pro- and anti-Treaty wings of the Irish Republican Army. The inaugural meeting of the new party took place on 2 March 1940. Simon Donnelly, who had fought in Boland's Mill under Éamon de Valera in 1916, the former leader of the Dublin section of the IRA, and former chief of the Irish Republican Police, was elected as president of a central committee of fifteen members. Other leaders were Seán Fitzpatrick, another Irish War of Independence veteran; Con Lehane, who had lately left the IRA; Séamus Gibbons; Tom O'Rourke; Seán Dowling, one of Rory O'Connor's principal lieutenants in the Irish Civil War; Colonel Roger McCorley, one of the principal IRA leaders in Belfast during the War of Independence who had taken the Irish Free State side in the Civil War; Frank Thornton, one of Michael Collins' top intelligence officers; Roger McHugh, a lecturer in English at University College Dublin and later professor; Captain Martin Bell and Peter O'Connor.

Also in attendance at the first meeting was Seamus O'Donovan, Director of Chemicals on IRA Headquarters Staff in 1921 and architect of the IRA Sabotage Campaign in England by the IRA in 1939–40. Indeed, O'Donovan proposed several of the basic resolutions. Additionally the meeting was attended by Eoin O'Duffy and several former leaders of the Irish Christian Front.

Many members of the Irish far-right joined Córas na Poblachta including Gearóid Ó Cuinneagáin, who became the leader of the party's youth wing Aicéin and would go on to found Ailtirí na hAiséirghe, Alexander McCabe, Maurice O'Connor and Reginald Eager from the Irish Friends of Germany, George Griffin, Patrick Moylett, his brother John and Joseph Andrews of the People's National Party, Dermot Brennan of Saoirse Gaedheal, and Hugh O'Neill and Alexander Carey of Córas Gaedhealach. As a result, the party assumed a pro-German and anti-semitic attitude which was frequently expressed in party functions, and Gardaí suspected Córas members of daubing the walls of Trinity College in anti-semitic slogans following the visit of British politician Leslie Hore-Belisha to Ireland in 1941.

Socialist republicans Nora Connolly O'Brien and Helena Molony took an interest in the group. Reflecting divisions within the IRA, a minority of the party's leaders sympathised with communism rather than fascism.

Aims
The main aim of Córas na Poblachta was the formal declaration of a Republic. It also demanded that the Irish language be given greater prominence in street names, shop signs, and government documents and bank notes. It proposed to introduce national service in order that (male) citizens understood their responsibilities. The party's economic policy was the statutory right to employment and a living wage. It proposed breaking the link with the British pound, the nationalisation of banks and the making of bank officials into civil servants. In the area of education, the party espoused free education for all children over primary age as a right, and university education when feasible. It also called for the introduction of children's allowances. In addition Córas na Poblachta advocated for "the destruction of the Masonic Order in Ireland" and during its founding meeting reporters were told that the party would be ready to take over the government of Ireland "on either a corporate or fascist basis".

Ailtirí na hAiséirghe
The party had close ties with the Irish nationalist and pro-fascist party Ailtirí na hAiséirghe, whose leader, Gearóid Ó Cuinneagáin, had led Córas na Poblachta's youth wing Aicéin until its independence was terminated in 1942. There was talk of a merger however while the majority of the party's executive committee, noted by G2 to be made up of "four ex-Army men, old I.R.A., ex-Blue Shirts and a number of I.R.A. who had been active up until comparatively recently", desired a combination of Ireland's extreme nationalist movements, the three most prominent leaders Simon Donnelly, Sean Dowling and Roger McCorley opposed one due to the fear that the party would be submerged in a joint organisation. Ó Cuinneagáin was dismissive of Córas na Poblachta's prospects and discussions between him and the party's leaders reinforced their fears that Ó Cuinneagáin sought an outright takeover by Aiséirghe. Proposals for a merging of the two parties were dropped though they continued to maintain cordial relations and co-operated in the 1943 Irish general election.

Support
The party was not successful and failed to take a seat in a by-election held shortly after the party's foundation. The party slowly fell apart, and Tim Pat Coogan notes that: “Dissolution occurred because people tended to discuss the party rather than join it.” Importantly, the party was not supported by the hardcore of republican legitimatists, such as Brian O'Higgins, who viewed the IRA Army Council as the legitimate government of an existing Irish Republic. Indeed, in March 1940, O'Higgins published a pamphlet entitled Declare the Republic lambasting the new party as making what he regarded as false promises that would be compromised on following the party's election to the Oireachtas.

1943 General Election
Córas fielded candidates in the 1943 General Election, none getting elected and receiving a total of 3,892 votes between them.

Legacy
Although a failure, Tim Pat Coogan argues Córas was the “nucleus” of the Clann na Poblachta party which emerged to help take power from Fianna Fáil in 1948.

Party publications

 * Summary of policy, Dublin: Córas na Poblachta Central Committee, 1940.
 * The republican plan for the new Ireland, Dublin: Córas na Poblachta Central Committee, 1942.
 * Aicein: voice of the Irish Youth Movement, Córas na Poblachta, ca. 1941.

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Chen Chun

Chen Chun (1483–1544), courtesy name Daofu and art name Baiyang Shanren, was a Ming dynasty artist, calligrapher, and poet. Born into a wealthy family of scholar-officials in Suzhou, he learned calligraphy from Wen Zhengming, one of the Four Masters of the Ming dynasty. Chen Chun later broke with Wen to favor a more freestyle method of ink wash painting. He was associated with the Wu School of literary painting. Mi Fu of the Song dynasty had a strong influence on his work. Chen executed many landscapes, but to a degree is noted as a "Bird-and-flower" painter.

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Meiwa Corp.

Meiwa Corporation (明和産業株式会社; Meiwa Sangyō Kabushiki Gaisha) tyo: 8103 is a Japanese trading company in Tokyo, related to Mitsubishi group.

The company was established in 1947, by members from chemicals and some other departments of former Mitsubishi Corporation, that was liquidated under order of General Headquarters of the Allied Forces after World War II.

After merging Sansho Co., Ltd. in 1959 and listing in friendship trading company with China in 1962, the company developed into an all-round trading company with business mainly with socialist countries. It was later listed on the Second Section of the Tokyo Stock Exchange in 1973, and on the First Section in 1975.

Owing to social changes such as normalization of diplomatic relations between Japan and China, the company once narrowed down the focus of business lines and trading partner countries. After expanding business in South East Asia, it now has 3 liaison offices and 2 subsidiary companies in China, liaison offices in Vietnam and South Korea and 4 subsidiary companies in Vietnam, Thailand and Indonesia. Main lines of trading have specialized to chemicals, plastics, building materials, petroleum products, functional materials and building materials. There are some related companies in chemicals, plastics, building materials and glass ware, too.

The capital is 4,024 million Yen, the president is Nobuhiko Ohtomo. The main stockholders are Mitsubishi Corporation, Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation, Asahi Glass Co., Ltd.

Company motto : Bright and Friendly

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Bârlad (river)

The Bârlad is a river in eastern Romania, a left tributary of the river Siret. Its total length is 207 km, and its drainage basin area is 7220 km2. The source of the Bârlad is in the low hills between the Siret and Prut rivers, southwest of Iași. It flows generally south, through the cities of Negrești, Vaslui, Bârlad and Tecuci. The Bârlad traverses the Romanian counties of Neamț, Vaslui and Galați and flows into the Siret near Suraia.

Tributaries
The following rivers are tributaries to the Bârlad (from source to mouth):

Left: Bozieni, Gârboveta, Hăușei, Găureni, Sacovăț, Velna, Stavnic, Rebricea, Uncești, Telejna, Vaslui, Crasna, Albești, Idrici, Văleni, Petrișoara, Banca, Bujoreni, Zorleni, Trestiana, Jaravăț, Hobana, Bârzotel, Bârzota, Bălăneasa, Gârbovăț, Corozel

Right: Purcica, Poiana Lungă, Bârzești, Stemnic, Racova, Chițoc, Ghilăhoi, Chițcani, Pârvești, Horoiata, Simila, Valea Seacă, Tutova, Pereschiv, Lupul, Berheci, Blăneasa, Prisaca, Tecucel

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Fretting

Fretting refers to wear and sometimes corrosion damage of loaded surfaces in contact while they encounter small oscillatory movements tangential to the surface. Fretting is caused by adhesion of contact surface asperities, which are subsequently broken again by the small movement. This breaking causes wear debris to be formed.

If the debris and/or surface subsequently undergo chemical reaction, i.e., mainly oxidation, the mechanism is termed fretting corrosion. Fretting degrades the surface, leading to increased surface roughness and micropits, which reduces the fatigue strength of the components. The amplitude of the relative sliding motion is often in the order of micrometers to millimeters, but can be as low as 3 nanometers.

Typically fretting is encountered in shrink fits, bearing seats, bolted parts, splines, and dovetail connections.

Steel
Fretting damage in steel can be identified by the presence of a pitted surface and fine 'red' iron oxide dust resembling cocoa powder. Strictly this debris is not 'rust' as its production requires no water. The particles are much harder than the steel surfaces in contact, so abrasive wear is inevitable; however, particulates are not required to initiate fret.

Aluminium
Fretting in Aluminium causes black debris to be present in the contact area due to the fine oxide particles.

Products affected
Fretting examples include wear of drive splines on driveshafts, wheels at the lug bolt interface, and cylinder head gaskets subject to differentials in thermal expansion coefficients.

There is currently a focus on fretting research in the aerospace industry. The dovetail blade-root connection and the spline coupling of gas turbine aero engines experience fretting.

Another example in which fretting corrosion may occur are the pitch bearings of modern wind turbines, which operate under oscillation motion to control the power and loads of the turbine.

Fretting can also occur between reciprocating elements in the human body. Especially implants, for example hip implants, are often affected by fretting effects.

Fretting electrical/electronic connectors
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Fretting also occurs on virtually all electrical connectors subject to motion (e.g. a printed circuit board connector plugged into a backplane, i.e. SOSA/VPX). Commonly most board to board (B2B) electrical connectors are especially vulnerable if there is any relative motion present between the mating connectors. A mechanically rigid connection system is required to hold both halves of a B2B motionless (often impossible). Wire to board (W2B) connectors tend to be immune to fretting because the wire half of the connector acts as a spring absorbing relative motion that would otherwise transfer to the contact surfaces of the W2B connector. Very few exotic B2B connectors exist that address fretting by: 1) incorporating springs into the individual contacts or 2) using a Chinese finger trap design to greatly increase the contact area. A connector design that contacts all 4-sides of a square pin instead of just one or 1 or 2 can delay the inevitable fretting some amount. Keeping contacts clean and lubricated also offers some longevity.

Contact fretting can change the impedance of a B2B connector from milliohms to ohms in just minutes when vibration is present. The relatively soft and thin gold plating used on most high quality electrical connectors is quickly worn through exposing the underlying alloy metals and with fretting debris the impedance rapidly increases. Somewhat counterintuitively, high contact forces on the mated connector pair (thought to help lower impedance and increase reliability) can actually make the rate of fretting even worse.

Fretting in rolling element bearings

In rolling element bearings fretting may occur when the bearings are operating in an oscillating motion. Examples of applications are blade bearings in wind turbines, helicopter rotor pitch bearings, and bearings in robots. If the bearing movement is limited to small motions the damage caused may be called fretting or false brinelling depending on mechanism encountered. The main difference is that false brinelling occurs under lubricated and fretting under dry contact conditions. Between false brinelling and fretting corrosion, a time-dependent relation has been proposed.

Fretting fatigue
Fretting decreases fatigue strength of materials operating under cycling stress. This can result in fretting fatigue, whereby fatigue cracks can initiate in the fretting zone. Afterwards, the crack propagates into the material. Lap joints, common on airframe surfaces, are a prime location for fretting corrosion. This is also known as frettage or fretting corrosion.

Factors affecting fretting
Fretting resistance is not an intrinsic property of a material, or even of a material couple. There are several factors affecting fretting behavior of a contact:

 * Contact load
 * Sliding amplitude
 * Number of cycles
 * Temperature
 * Relative humidity
 * Inertness of materials
 * Corrosion and resulting motion-triggered contact insufficiency

Mitigation
The fundamental way to prevent fretting is to design for no relative motion of the surfaces at the contact. Surface roughness plays an important role as fretting normally occurs by the contact of the asperities of the mating surfaces. Lubricants are often employed to mitigate fretting because they reduce friction and inhibit oxidation. This may however, also cause the opposite effect as a lower coefficient of friction may lead to more movement. Thus, a solution must be carefully considered and tested. In the aviation industry, coatings are applied to cause a harder surface and/or influence the friction coefficient.

Soft materials often exhibit higher susceptibility to fretting than hard materials of a similar type. The hardness ratio of the two sliding materials also has an effect on fretting wear. However, softer materials such as polymers can show the opposite effect when they capture hard debris which becomes embedded in their bearing surfaces. They then act as a very effective abrasive agent, wearing down the harder metal with which they are in contact.

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Phantom shiner

The phantom shiner (Notropis orca) is an extinct species of fish. It was once endemic to the Rio Grande basin and ranged from central New Mexico to southernmost Texas and adjacent Tamaulipas. It was once found in the warm water reaches of the Rio Grande, though never particularly abundant. The species was last collected on 28 July 1975, in Tamaulipas, Mexico, 4.0 km below Ciudad Diaz Ordaz. Subsequent attempts to collect the phantom shiner from 1977 to 1994 were unsuccessful and it has been presumed extinct as of 1996.

The native range of the phantom shiner was the Rio Grande from Espanola downstream to Brownsville, Texas. In New Mexico, it was documented only in the reach from Espanola to Socorro.

Specimens of the phantom shiner have been collected only irregularly (three times in 1939) in a 60 km reach of the middle Rio Grande between Isleta and Bernardo. A single specimen was taken from the Rio Grande in Big Bend National Park in 1953 representing the only known example of the species in the river between El Paso and the mouth of the Pecos River. In 1959 Trevino-Robinson reported the phantom shiner as abundant in the lower Rio Grande in Texas, downstream from the Pecos River confluence. The last known specimen was recorded in Mexico in 1975.

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Nastic movements

In biology, nastic movements are non-directional responses to stimuli (e.g. temperature, humidity, light irradiance) that occur more rapidly than tropisms and are usually associated with plants. The movement can be due to changes in turgor (internal pressure within plant cells). Decrease in turgor pressure causes shrinkage, while increase in turgor pressure brings about swelling. Nastic movements differ from tropic movements in that the direction of tropic responses depends on the direction of the stimulus, whereas the direction of nastic movements is independent of the stimulus's position. The tropic movement is growth movement but nastic movement may or may not be growth movement. The rate or frequency of these responses increases as intensity of the stimulus increases. An example of such a response is the opening and closing of flowers (photonastic response), movement of euglena, chlamydomonas towards the source of light. They are named with the suffix "-nasty" and have prefixes that depend on the stimuli:
 * Epinasty: downward-bending from growth at the top, for example, the bending down of a heavy flower.
 * Hyponasty: upward bending of leaves from growth in the petiole (leaf stalk)
 * Photonasty: response to light
 * Nyctinasty: movements at night or in the dark
 * Chemonasty: response to chemicals or nutrients
 * Hydronasty: response to water
 * Thermonasty: response to temperature
 * Seismonasty: response to shock
 * Geonasty/gravinasty: response to gravity
 * Thigmonasty/seismonasty/haptonasty: response to contact

The suffix may come from Greek νάσσω = 'I press', ναστός = 'pressed', ἐπιναστια = 'the condition of being pressed upon'.

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Northern redbelly dace

The northern redbelly dace (Chrosomus eos) is a fresh water cyprinid fish, generally found in lakes and small streams in the northeastern United States and eastern Canada. Ranging from 1–3 inches, it is one of forty-four species from the minnow and carp family of Cyprinidae in these areas.

Description
The northern redbelly dace is a minnow about 55 mm long with two dusky, longitudinal stripes along its sides under an iridescent silver back. The top stripe often becomes broken into dots behind the dorsal fin. Small, almost invisible scales cover its body. The lower sides of its body are white, yellow, or silver. However, during the breeding season, this area becomes brilliant red on the males. The females likewise exhibit a colorful, green ventral stripe. Helpful identifying characteristics are its long coiling intestines and the black peritoneum (lining of the body cavity). Its lateral line is incomplete and consists of 70 to 90 lateral line scales.

The northern redbelly dace has thin, flexible rays called "soft-rays". It possesses a pair of pectoral fins, pelvic fins in the ventral and abdominal positions, which all are white, yellow, or silver. No adipose fin can be found after the dorsal fin on its back. The caudal fin or tail fin is notched and homocercal. This means that the tail has two lobes that are symmetrical.

Distribution and habitat
The northern redbelly dace ranges from Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island westward curving in a narrow band through southern Canada, as well as, the northern and north-central United States. This encompasses Pennsylvania to Michigan, Wisconsin, and north through Minnesota and North East Iowa to the Peace-Mackenzie drainage in British Columbia as well as the Northwest Territories. In the United States the northern redbelly dace can be found in Maine, New Hampshire, New York, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, North and South Dakota, Nebraska, and Colorado.

The northern redbelly dace can be found in cool, quiet, boggy streams and lakes. The typical habitat conditions of small streams where the dace lives include: water supplied by clear, cool springs or seeps, absence of strong currents, effective cover like undercut banks and heavy brushy vegetation, and minimal large piscivorous fish populations. Small lake habitats also share these characteristics. Typically the lakes are clear and spring-fed with heavy vegetation (at least by shore) and few predatory fishes.

However, in states where it is vulnerable or endangered, it can only be found in extreme head waters of clear streams and spring-fed seepage pools. These locations provide a cold water habitat much like the conditions 1,000 years ago with glaciers to the north. Human activities have led to the reduction of cold-water streams and seepage, which reduces the suitable habitat for this Northern species.

Feeding
The northern redbelly dace feeds mainly on filamentous algae and diatoms, but also zooplankton and aquatic insect larvae. Their predators consist of other fish, kingfishers and water fowl especially mergansers. In small lakes where no piscivores live, the northern redbelly dace fills the niche of a planktivore. However, in larger lakes, it is restricted to the vegetation mats by shore where it must compete with other minnows for food.

Importance to humans
The northern redbelly dace has a direct economic value to humans as it is a popular baitfish used by many anglers across Ontario. Furthermore, as a minnow it is a primary consumer that feeds on algae. As such, it provides food to predators, particularly large fish and water fowl, which are game for fishers and hunters.

Conservation status
Throughout Canada, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, and the New England States, northern redbelly dace populations are considered stable. However, in areas such as Nebraska, Colorado, and South Dakota they are vulnerable following the retreat of the Wisconsin Ice Sheet.

Unfortunately, the northern redbelly dace is Endangered in several states, one of which is Massachusetts. The reasons for its decline are unknown, but possible threats include erosion and sedimentation, along with flow alterations.

Reproduction and life cycle
The northern redbelly dace reaches sexual maturity by its second or third summer and may live up to eight years. Spawning begins in the spring around May and continues into early August. Adult fish can spawn multiple times during the season. Nonadhesive eggs are laid in filamentous algae and hatch eight to ten days later at a water temperature of 21-27 °C.

Trivia
The bold and distinctive markings of the northern redbelly dace during the breeding season, make it easy to recognize. In fact, this dace is considered among the most attractive native minnow.

Etymology of the name
The word "dace" originated in the early fifteenth century from the Old French word "darz", which means to dart. This fish was so called for its movements. Another theory traces it to the Medieval Latin word "darsus" also meaning to dart, said to be of Gaulish origin.

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Mount Bassie

Mount Bassie is a large mountain in the center of Baranof Island, Alaska, United States, within the City and Borough of Sitka.

Mount Bassie is a massive hulk of rock, its footprint covering nearly five square miles. It is bordered by the Blue Lake and Medvejie Lake watersheds and the Baranof River watershed, effectively splitting the island in two (one can see both Chatham Strait and the Pacific Ocean from the peak and its surrounding ridges). Mount Bassie is adjacent to Camp Lake, from which ascents typically originate. It is fairly isolated in terms of sister peaks and has only two modest lower ridges running off the south and north sides of the mountain. The rest of the mountain slopes down steeply into surrounding river valleys.

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Rainbow darter

The rainbow darter (Etheostoma caeruleum) is a small species of freshwater ray-finned fish, a darter from the subfamily Etheostomatinae, part of the family Percidae, which also contains the perches, ruffes and pikeperches. It is native to North America where it is found in small, fast-moving streams and small to medium-sized rivers. It grows to 2 to 3 in in length. The species is very sensitive to pollution and silt, staying in clean, pollution-free water. The rainbow darter is easily identified by three dark spots on the back, and blue and orange in the dorsal and anal fins.

Life
The rainbow darter lives in clean, rocky riffles from March through June. It has a lifespan of about 4 years. The males can grow up to 48 mm long, while the largest female reaches just under 43 mm. The male form is resplendent in bright oranges and iridescent blue spots, stripes, and checks.

Distribution
The rainbow darter is a small, benthic freshwater fish found in many creeks and small to medium-sized rivers throughout North America. In particular, it is common throughout the eastern United States, specifically throughout the Great Lakes and Ohio River Valley regions. Its distribution extends south to northern parts of Alabama and as far west as Missouri and Arkansas. This distribution has been suggested to be due to once existing glaciers and to its intolerance of brackish water. One study to examine the phylogeography of E. caeruleum and its colonization patterns found its distribution is greatly due to historic glaciations, and furthermore, due to distributions from drainages which have since then resulted in the current morphological diversity of the rainbow darter. Geographically, the rainbow darter is one of the most abundant and common Darter species. Current distribution shown may be outdated and should be verified with state agencies. Particularly Texas where the species exists in limited number.

Ecology
The rainbow darter is classified as insectivorous, feeding on small invertebrates such as insects and crayfish, but it has also been known to feed on some fly larvae. In Four-Mile Creek in Ohio, the rainbow darter lives primarily on trichopterans (i.e. caddisflies), having two feeding peaks: one in the morning and a second in the late afternoon or early evening. The primary predators of the rainbow darter are larger freshwater fish, such as burbots (Lota lota), stonecats (Noturus flavus), and smallmouth bass (Micropterus dolomieu). Like many other darter species, it has the ability to maintain position on the substrate in flowing water. This unique characteristic plays a key role in its microhabitat preference. E. caeruleum has been shown to prefer creeks and rivers with rocky substrates and swift-moving riffles. This microhabitat preference has been suggested to be due to oxygen levels in the water during season changes or other factors, such as feeding or shelter-related habitat preferences. Because E. caeruleum has such a low tolerance for brackish water, human-induced changes such as pollution or sewer drainage has the potential to cause a significant negative impact on its abundance.

Life history
Darters have a wide range of life histories, but size correlates with most life history characteristics. For example, larger darters grow faster, live longer, produce bigger clutches, and have longer reproductive spans. Mate selection by female darters is assumed to be common. When examining the rainbow darter, life history traits were: average size 45 mm, growth 32 mm, maximum age four years, and clutch size 82. E. caeruleum mates during the spring, typically when water temperature is between 17 and 18 °C, and they will leave their normal microhabitat in the rapids to congregate on pebbles, where the stream leaves a pool, to mate. Once mates are selected, the fish mate repeatedly for several days until the female lays about 800 eggs. This darter also displays group spawning, and the males tend to exhibit territorial behavior during the breeding season.

Current management
Currently, the largest threat to E. caeruleum is run-off and pollution due to the population shift from rural to urban areas. One study found the development of an interstate highway negatively affected the abundance of several fish species, including E. caeruleum, because of decreasing quality of water of the nearby creek. Currently, management plans consist of reducing nutrient, pesticide, and sediment loadings within such streams. This same study suggests conservation practices should be a combination of both physical habitat monitoring and water chemistry monitoring, because it would benefit fish communities within headwater streams more than just implementing one conservation practice or the other. Although broad management plans are in place for many rivers and streams and their fish communities as a whole, no current management plans in place are specifically designed for E. caeruleum.

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Dissolution of Geography department at Harvard
I'm trying to think how to fit this into the page. The geography department at Harvard being eliminated was quite the blow to the discipline, and cascaded through the country. It still has not really recovered to this day.

Citation on the topic that can be used is below, and link to the Wikipedia page for Marland P. Billings. He was one of the major players in this "Academic War" and the page mentions it already. Any advice on where to include this?

Smith, Neil (1987). ""Academic War Over the Field of Geography": The Elimination of Geography at Harvard, 1947-1951". Annals of the Association of American Geographers. 77 (2): 155–172. doi:10.1111/j.1467-8306.1987.tb00151.x

GeogSage ( ⚔Chat?⚔ ) 16:27, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

 * why do you think that department of geography of any university is important enough to be included into the history of geography as a science? It doesn't look like physics in 1930s Germany or genetics in USSR, it wasn't enforced by state authorities, and belongs to history of Harvard or to history of US universities, but not to the whole discipline. Artem.G (talk) 16:43, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * If you read the article I listed, this event is quite important in the history of geography.
 * When Harvard dropped the discipline, other schools quickly followed. The American public education system stopped teaching geography as a primary subject, and instead shoved it into "Social studies." According to National Geographic, "Geography is not a required subject in most states. According to U.S. News, “only 17 states required a geography course in middle school and 10 states required a geography course for students to graduate from high school.”
 * The first sentence of the introduction in the linked journal is: "Many geographers must share the sentiment of Jean Gottmann that the closing of the Harvard geography department in 1948 was "a terrible blow. . . to American geography" and one from which '' it has never completely recovered." The blow was all the more severe because the decision to eliminate geography at one of America's leading universities was justified at the time by the suggestion that geography may not be an appropriate university subject."
 * This is, within geography, seen by many as the major pivot point that caused the discipline to diminish the perceived importance of geography in the United States. As the United States is a major player in global research, this is a major event in the discipline as a whole. There are cascading effects from this moment in history, but it is seen as a large part of the reason that history/geology departments have more students and are generally better funded in the United States. In terms of social issues, this lack of geographic focus is blamed for geographic ignorance in the general public and in policy.  GeogSage  ( ⚔Chat?⚔ ) 17:32, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

What happened to your grandfather's previous YouTube channel?
What happened to your grandfather's previous YouTube channel? 2409:4088:AEB8:445E:0:0:6588:9914 (talk) 15:22, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

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Ioannis Varvakis

Ioannis Varvakis (Ιωάννης Βαρβάκης; 1745–1825), also known as Ivan Andreevich Varvatsi (Иван Андреевич Варваци), was a Greek privateer, benefactor, and member of the Filiki Eteria.

Origins, early life
Ioannis was born on the Greek island of Psara, son to Andreas Leontis and Maria Moros. His mother later cloistered herself in a monastery on the island of Chios, where she died during the Chios Massacre in 1822. His real name was Ioannis Leontides (Greek: Ιωάννης Λεοντίδης); Varvakis was the nickname that he received during his childhood due to his imposing eyes, which were similar to the eyes of a bird of prey which lives on the island of Psara and is known as varvaki (βαρβάκι, "Eleonora's falcon").

Hero of the Orlov Revolt
Varvakis was a Greek Orthodox Christian who became a skilful sailor at the age of 17 and built a ship, the St. Andrew, which he later offered (with his crew) to the Russian forces during the Russo-Turkish War, 1768-1774. He spent his entire fortune to equip the ship and to arm it with cannons and showed extraordinary courage during the Battle of Chesma (Çeşme) in July 1770. His xebec was transformed into a fire ship, packed with combustibles, set on fire and steered into a large Turkish ship. But the war did not give independence to Greece, as the Ottoman sultan signed peace by the Treaty of Kuçuk Kainarji in 1774, which granted Russia the northern part of the Black Sea. On the other hand, this war created a mass exodus of Greeks to Russia.

At service of Catherine the Great
Without any money in his pocket, Ioannis Varvakis decided to seek an audience with Catherine II of Russia ("Catherine the Great"). He went to Saint Petersburg, where he met with Grigori Alexandrovich Potemkin, Russian general-field marshal, statesman, and favorite of Catherine II the Great, who arranged the audience with the Empress of Russia. Catherine II the Great was particularly generous giving Varvakis 1,000 golden roubles as a gift and an authorisation for unlimited and duty-free fishery in the Caspian Sea and the right to choose a place to settle in Russia. He also received an official patent signed by Catherine the Great, proving that Ivan Andreevich Varvatsi (his new Russian name) was named first lieutenant of the Russian Navy on 21 October 1772.

Varvakis in Astrakhan

From Saint Petersburg, he left for Astrakhan to develop a fishery, though he had no experience. In the northern Caspian Sea his fishery enterprise made him a millionaire. The boats of Varvakis caught sturgeon, white salmon and other valuable fish. Knowing the passion of Greeks for caviar, he tried to arrange exporting caviar to Europe. He invented a solution to preserve the freshness of the caviar eggs while being transported by ship. He produced timber boxes, which did not cause alterations in the precious eggs, were absolutely waterproof and thus were maintained in very good condition. Until then the caviar had been preserved in caves. Varvakis shipped caviar from Astrakhan to Greece by camel or by boat through the Volga river. In 1788, the business of Varvakis employed more than 3,000 workers.

In 1810-17, Ioannis Varvakis financed the delayed construction of the channel linking the Volga to its arm. The channel, which was initially built as "Astrakhansky" was renamed by the decree of December 31, 1817 as "Varvatsievski". After the Russian revolution, it was renamed to "The May 1st Channel".

Varvakis in Taganrog

In 1810, Varvakis was granted the title of hereditary nobleman with a family coat of arms by Alexander I of Russia, who also made him Court Counsel and decorated with a diamond Order of St. Anne awarded for exceptional services and the Order of St. Vladimir.

In 1812, he moved to the city of Taganrog, populated by Greek colonists who, like the Greeks of classical times, took refuge from poverty or tyranny in townships around the northern Black Sea and the Sea of Azov. In 1813, Ivan Varvatsi spent 600,000 rubles for construction of Greek Jerusalem Monastery (Иерусалимский греческий монастырь) in Taganrog. When Alexander I died in Taganrog in 1825, the funeral service for the Russian Tsar was chanted in this monastery. Varvatsi's mansion in Taganrog suffered extensive damage during Siege of Taganrog in Crimean War. The walls were filled with cannonballs and rifle bullets, and were left in that condition. The building was nicknamed "house with bullets"(дом с пулями).

Return to Greece
Ioannis Varvakis actively assisted the Greeks during the Greek Revolution, especially his home island of Psara. After the destruction of the island by the Turkish Fleet, he returned to Greece himself in 1824 to aid the refugees, and died on Zakynthos on January 10, 1825. Varvakis desired to promote education for the new Greek state, and in his will he left 1 million rubles for the building of a high school, which was named Varvakeio (Βαρβάκειον Λύκειον) in his honor. Varvakis also financed the building of Athens' closed market, the Varvakeios Agora.

Descendants
The descendance of Varvakis' noble name was continued through the female line. His first daughter, Maria Varvakis who was born in 1770, married Greek merchant Nikolay Ivanovich Komnino. Since he had no sons, and desirous of preserving his name for the future generations, Ioannis Varvakis addressed to his patron, Catherine the Great, a request to permit his daughter Maria have a double-barreled surname, that is the family name of Varvakis, her father, and that of her husband, Komnino. Catherine II granted his appeal, creating the noble family of Komnino-Varvatsi (Комнино-Варваци). All sons of Maria and Nikolay Komnino-Varvatsi (Ivan, Yegor, Mark, Kozma and Andrey) were granted noble titles by the Yekaterinoslav Government decree of April 25, 1821, paying tribute to achievements and contributions made by their grandfather, Ioannis Varvakis. Their descendants were later married into other Greek-Russian families, including the Sarandinaki family at Taganrog. Through the Sarandinaki family, Varvakis’ descendants were also related to the Motsenigo (Mocenigo or Mochenigo) Greek-Russian family.

The graves of Maria and Nadezhda Komnino-Varvatsi are located at the Taganrog Old Cemetery near The All-Saints Church in Taganrog.

Legacy

In the 19th century, one of the streets in Taganrog was named after Varvatsi (Варвациевский переулок). In the 1920s it was renamed after poet Mikhail Lermontov.

In 2012 a monument dedicated to Varvakis was inaugurated in the city of Astrakhan.

Director Yannis Smaragdis directed a film (God Loves Caviar) dedicated to the life of Ioannis Varvakis and his invention for transportation of caviar eggs. German actor Sebastian Koch portrayed Ioannis Varvakis. The film, a co-production of Greece, Russia, and Spain was released in 2012. The film, however, contains significant historical inaccuracies, such as showing Emperor Paul I ruling at the time of Greek revolution in 1821. (In reality, he had been assassinated 20 years before these events).

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Hermann Friedrich Graebe

Herman Friedrich Graebe or Gräbe (19 June 1900 – 17 April 1986) was a German manager and engineer in charge of a German building firm in Ukraine, who witnessed mass executions of the Jews of Dubno on 5 October 1942 by Nazis and in the ghetto of Rovno on 13 July 1942. Following the war he wrote a famous and horrifying testimony.

Graebe gave the following eyewitness account:

My foreman and I went directly to the pits. Nobody bothered us. Now I heard rifle shots in quick succession from behind one of the earth mounds. The people who had got off the trucks - men, women and children of all ages - had to undress upon the order of an SS man who carried a riding or dog whip. They had to put down their clothes in fixed places, sorted according to shoes, top clothing and undergarments. I saw heaps of shoes of about 800 to 1000 pairs, great piles of under-linen and clothing. Without screaming or weeping these people undressed, stood around in family groups, kissed each other, said farewells, and waited for a sign from another SS man, who stood near the pit, also with a whip in his hand. During the fifteen minutes I stood near, I heard no complaint or plea for mercy. I watched a family of about eight persons, a man and a woman both of about fifty, with their children of about twenty to twenty-four, and two grown-up daughters about twenty-eight or twenty-nine. An old woman with snow white hair was holding a one-year-old child in her arms and singing to it and tickling it. The child was cooing with delight. The parents were looking on with tears in their eyes. The father was holding the hand of a boy about ten years old and speaking to him softly; the boy was fighting his tears. The father pointed to the sky, stroked his head and seemed to explain something to him. At that moment the SS man at the pit started shouting something to his comrade. The latter counted off about twenty persons and instructed them to go behind the earth mound. Among them was the family I have just mentioned. I well remember a girl, slim with black hair, who, as she passed me, pointed to herself and said, "twenty-three years old." I walked around the mound and found myself confronted by a tremendous grave. People were closely wedged together and lying on top of each other so that only their heads were visible. Nearly all had blood running over their shoulders from their heads. Some of the people shot were still moving. Some were lifting their arms and turning their heads to show that they were still alive. The pit was nearly two-thirds full. I estimated that it already contained about a thousand people. I looked for the man who did the shooting. He was an SS man, who sat at the edge of the narrow end of the pit, his feet dangling into the pit. He had a tommy-gun on his knees and was smoking a cigarette. The people, completely naked, went down some steps which were cut in the clay wall of the pit and clambered over the heads of the people lying there to the place to which the SS man directed them. They lay down in front of the dead or wounded people; some caressed those who were still alive and spoke to them in a low voice. Then I heard a series of shots. I looked into the pit and saw that the bodies were twitching or the heads lying already motionless on top of the bodies that lay beneath them. Blood was running from their necks. The next batch was approaching already. They went down into the pit, lined themselves up against the previous victims and were shot.

He later provided vital testimony in the Einsatzgruppen Trial, one of the Subsequent Nuremberg Trials, invoking bitter persecution from many of his countrymen. To escape the hostility, Graebe moved his family to San Francisco in 1948, where he lived until his death in 1986. Hermann Graebe was honoured as a 'Righteous Among the Nations' by Yad Vashem. Another witness of the mass executions of October 1942 in Dubno was the German officer Axel von dem Bussche who, traumatised by what he had seen, in 1943 joined the German resistance around Claus von Stauffenberg and unsuccessfully tried to kill Adolf Hitler in a suicide attack in November 1943.

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shouldn't Greek be anthropos rather than anthropinos? What is the point of this image? it shows examples of five randomly chosen writing systems, Latin, Chinese, Korean, Hebrew, Greek? Why in this order? we have the much nicer and more systematic Image:WritingSystemsoftheWorld2.png.

hebrew
A modern Hebrew phrase for man is בנ אדם (transliterated: "ben Adam"), not just Adam. The direct translation is "son of Adam." While אדם is one way of saying "human being," as is יצור אנושי, which is perhaps more accurately translated to "human creature" in modern Hebrew, it is not the way to refer to a being as human in the vernacular.

I would refer to someone as a man by calling him בנ אדם in Hebrew. "הוא בן אנוש" is the formal construction for saying "He is a human being." Whereas the adjective "human" in Hebrew (i.e.: having the property of being human) is "אנושי."

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Talk:Taime Downe

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first of all, a HUGE thanks to the person who put up the bondage boys photo.

now, we need info on the names of all the members of the bondage boys, who played what instruments, and whether or not they ever recorded anything.

Gringo300 08:40, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

update: a few minutes ago i found this website: www.tartareandesire.com/bands/bondageboys.html

Gringo300 10:29, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Why in this article does it state "was the lead singer of the 1980s sleaze rock band Faster Pussycat" The WAS really annoyed me. Someone possibly add something about the new incarnation of Pussycat. Trivium9786 14:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Criticism of religion

Ramos's recent revert
I don't want to get into yet another edit war with Ramos yet again. The IPs text was entirely relevant and well sourced. I am getting very tired of Ramos reverting useful edits which may be unfavourable to one's religious views. This article is about the criticism of religion which included arguments which demonstrate societies with less religious influence faring better. I also believe that Ramos's additions to the "counter arguments" sections are still far too lengthy and should also be further cut as I know few other articles on wikipedia that have such an enormous proportion of counter arguments relative to the rest of the article. Shabidoo | Talk 00:25, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I am not opposed to good adds that stick to what the sources say, the problem is that some wiki editors actually claim what the sources never state in the first place. Sorry, but the whole add was WP:SYN and reverted the exact same edit in July of 2020 with no issues. Its the same IP editor adding it again. None of the sources placed blame on religion nor did they state that religions causes any harm and also none of them cited the "World Happiness Index" either. Also it had a link to Latin America for some odd reason. It was just super sloppy all around like last time. Furthermore, Phil Zuckerman who you removed, who is more of an expert on secular societies and wellbeing and he himself does not state that secularism or religion cause these circumstances in societies. How would a claim of "less religious countries are doing well" be a criticism of religion by the way? Originally there were some sources on that and also rebuttals from literature on that too but those were removed years ago. Because there were many many explanations for any correlations for or against. Anyways, more of a breakdown of the edit I reverted. From the sources:

 * 1) The Pew source actually said that religious people do fare better than the less religious on pretty much all the points in that article. It certainly did not say the opposite.
 * 2) The second source was Phil Zuckerman in the Oxford Handbook of Atheism under Stephen Bullivant and he does not attribute well being to atheism or secularity or the lack thereof to religion or theism. He actually acknowledged the complexity of nations and the markers for social welbeing in the paper and conlusiions of that piece. He merely claims that religion and theism do not automatically make societies better nor that the secularity or atheism automatically deter social well being. He also notes atheist regimes in the paper as examples against social well being.
 * 3) Eckhart is actually talking about group selection theorists and uses the US and Scandinavia as an example of how that theory fails. He attributes the correlations from Scandinavia "to their low levels of social inequality", not religion.
 * 4) Cliquet is trying to explain the conditions in which religion is prominent and states "religiosity is dependent upon the level of social development". He does not claim that religion causes anything but that economic conditions playa role on level of religiosity or lack thereof.

 * As to your other concern, the counter criticism sections were already shortened extensively by you a while back. I even corrected some mistakes rectified per the sources back then too.Ramos1990 (talk) 01:56, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm going to list this to get other people's input. Shabidoo | Talk 16:40, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Harm to women, homosexuals
In the section of harm to society we should definitely add harm to women and countless examples from ancient times to currently in most Muslim countries as well as persecution of homosexuals because of religious beliefs Nlivataye (talk) 08:30, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Westerners invented everything
Why is the Islamic notion of din (as for example in surah al kafirun) not an equiavalent of the notion of a religion? 118.179.16.63 (talk) 11:32, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

FGM/circumcision mention
Hi,. I removed this section for the simple fact that criticism of FGM is generally 1.) Almost always not related to criticism of religion 2.) This is a general article about religious criticism. Not specific criticisms of certain religions. (It much better belongs for articles like criticism of Judaism or criticism of Islam or criticism of Christianity. Rather than an article about the premises of religious faith in general.) Beyond this, none of the sources presently in the article mention religious-oriented criticism surrounding this, just criticism of FGM in general/weighing the aggregate health benefits/downsides of circumcision.

The academic literature overwhelmingly separates FGM and religion. (The present article even states: ) Circumcision section is valid: just not in this article. The overwhelming majority of the world's religious population is not in a tradition that mandates it. (Only Judaism and the Shafi'i Islamic tradition does.) Including FGM/circumcision here would be like this article including criticism of the virgin birth.

Important information has been moved here. Thanks! KlayCax (talk) 03:39, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

 * You just stated yourself that certain religious groups support FGM. It is also unheard of to be practiced in non-religious or non religion affiliated cultures. If there is nuance needed, then add that nuance. A quick survey of other articles on Wikipedia will show that examples of issues are abound. Reverting this until there is a consensus on your removal of content. Shabidoo | Talk 16:05, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Recent Edits
So recently I made a number of edits to this page. They included removing some content that I felt was WP:OFFTOPIC for this page and so could be removed per WP:Notability is not relevance or reliability. Separately, I also rewrote some sentences that described books in a WP:POV WP:SUBJECTIVE way, such as describing a book as "injecting both snarky irony and humor" without attribution for this description. All these edits were separate, and had their reasoning explained in the edit summary.

@Shabidoo lumped all these edits together and reverted them, claiming that the removals were justified by an extremely narrow definition and the edits for WP:NPOV were watering down content.

I obverted these edits, saying Please establish consensus for inclusion per WP:ONUS, "The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content". Also, please deal with separate edits separately, you've reinserted WP:POV WP:AESTHETIC descriptions of books which are completely different to the discussion of whether some content is WP:OFFTOPIC. My aim here was that edits to different parts of the article for different reasons could be discussed separately, and consensus generated separately as per Wikipedia norms.

Shabidoo then reverted the whole lot again saying This is not how bold, revert cycle works, which I think ignores that WP:BRD is an essay that self-describes as "one of many optional strategies" and even offers alternatives while WP:ONUS is a policy. They also said my edits were for dubious reasons, even though I cited which policies and guidlines I was basing my reasoning on. I'd asked Shabidoo to assume good faith for me, like I do for them.

All this to say, I've come here in the hopes of generating consensus and avoiding an edit war. The two questions at hand are A) should the sentences about the New Atheist's books be changed as per and B)is there consensus to include the disputed sections which I removed in my original edits.'

I think here and in my edit summaries I've made my position and arguments clear, so I'm not going to comment here further except to clarify any points or respond to questions if needed. Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 00:43, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I think your edit of the New Atheists is more NPOV and to the point. On the sections you removed, Jerusalem syndrome is an odd entry as it is not a criticism of religion. Just wanting to go to a city is not a criticism nor is any religion specified. Machiavelli seems more like a criticism of political leaders than religion since it mentions leaders using religion to their benefit, not that religion is the problem. Albert Einstein seems relevant but the sentence is off since the quote says what morals should be based on, not that religion is unnecessary. WP:SYN. Can be fixed by sticking to what he said. On the witches stuff, does the source explicitly blame religion, or just mentions that people who were religious were involved? If the source does not blame religion, then it is not really a criticism. Hope this helps. Ramos1990 (talk) 00:41, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Ramos1990. Thanks for your comment. I've now waited a few days and no one else seems to have jumped in (including the original reverter, who was pinged), so I think we can tentatively move forward with consensus.
 * Just confirming you support:
 * A) My edits of the New Atheists sentences
 * B) The removal of Jerusalem syndrome section
 * C) Removal of Machiavelli's statement.
 * D) Re-writing of Albert Einstein bit to directly reflect his quote.
 * If this is the case, I will action these.
 * (I can't get access to the witches sources, but the sentences themselves don't seem to blame religion, merely note that people who were religious were involved.)
 * Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 23:32, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @User:Tomorrow and tomorrow, on A-D I agree. You can put a quote required tag on the witches sources at the moment. Hope this helps. Ramos1990 (talk) 00:35, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks! Actioning that now. Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 00:51, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No sorry this all happened way too fast and two people agreeing on mass removals is not a consensus, especially if it is a contentious and potentially overly narrow interpretation of what criticism is. Will comment and address all of this tomorrow. Shabidoo | Talk 23:44, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Shabidoo. I'd invite you to read Consensus. Two people agreeing on a change with policy based reasoning (in this case, @Ramos1990 and myself) can indeed be consensus, particularly when as happened here no others joined the conversation including the only objector (you) not responding. Also, I disagree that this all happened way too fast - it's been 9 days since I first created the topic on talk, and no one other than the three of us has weighed in. And it's been 2 days since I actioned the changes, and no one has objected or reverted. I don't think we can be accused of rushing anything through.
 * Of the three editors who seem to be interested, two of us have supported the changes and explained our policy/guideline rationale for doing so. You are the sole objector and haven't provided any policies or guidelines explaining your objection other than that you think the definition used by Ramos1990 and I is an overly narrow interpretation.
 * That said, if you wish to challenge the consensus, or establish a consensus to include, that is your prerogative. Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 04:38, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

contradictory text
The paragraph that states the concept of religion did not exist before the 17th century is followed by a quote that uses the word religion from the 1st century BCE. Can't have it both ways. The reference claims earlier references to religion meant something akin to "inner piety". This does not make sense in the quote: "But 'tis that same [inner piety] oftener far / Hath bred the foul impieties of men". Inner piety breeds impiety? 100.34.46.136 (talk) 02:57, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

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St James's Hotel and Club

The St James's Hotel and Club is a hotel at 7-8, Park Place, St. James's, London SW1A 1LP and is part of Pakistani multinational conglomerate Nishat Group, owned by Mian Mohammad Mansha.

The hotel has fifty-six rooms and twelve suites, many of which have their own terraces, plus a penthouse with a party deck for sixty people.

History
The current hotel describes itself as having "first opened its doors, as a gentlemen's chamber for the English aristocracy, in 1892". At that time the original St James's Club was elsewhere, and the buildings at 7-8 Park Place were erected as blocks of flats in 1891-92. They were originally planned with forty-four sets of residential chambers, plus service rooms. The sporting Sir John Dugdale Astley, 3rd Baronet, died in his chambers at 7, Park Place, 10 October 1894.

Before the building's construction, a club known as the Field Club operated at the 7 Park Place address in 1889. On 13 May of that year, police raided the club and found baccarat in progress. Twenty-one persons were arrested, "among whom were three English and several French and Belgian noblemen..." Among those arrested were the Earl of Dudley (later Governor-General of Australia), William Brownlow, 3rd Baron Lurgan, son of Charles Brownlow, 2nd Baron Lurgan, 'Lord Paulet' (probably a son of the 15th Marquess of Winchester) and Baron Ferraro.

By 1960, the 7-8 Park Place flats were being called Old St James's House, a name apparently without historical support. In the spring of 2008, following extensive renovation, the building was reopened as 'The St James's Hotel and Club'. Within the hotel is the renovated and repurposed space St James's Club founded by Peter de Savary, who marketed it to resonate with the panache associated with the historic St James's Club founded in 1857 by Earl Granville and the Marchese d'Azeglio. The team of the St James’s Hotel and Club received the Olympic torch on the day before the opening of the Games.

On 5 November 2010, Pakistani Nishat Group bought the hotel for £60 million.

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Talk:Angora

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Very Poor Article ! Many Factual errors!

 * I really do wonder who is coming with the phrases which assert that the names of Turkish cities were something else before 1930. Angora is an ancient name for Ankara but it wasn't in use for quite a while before 1930. Same goes with Constantinople and Istanbul. Constantinople was the name used only by westerners, it was not in use by Turks at anytime. And although some Turkish governments changed some place names for political reasons, that was not the case for any of the major cities like, Istanbul, Ankara, Izmir, Bursa...
 * And also how people came up with phrases like :

 * Angora is a vilayet-> No it is not, Ankara is a vilayet!
 * Vilayet is city in Ottoman-> No, there is no language called Ottoman, it is Turkish and vilayet means province, not city!
 * Kayseri and Kirsehir are two centers in the vilayet of Angora->No, they are two provinces (and capital cities of these provinces with the same names) different from Ankara!
 * The only industry in the province is weaving-> Oh come on! Ankara is the capital city, it has 4 million people and some more industry than that!

is beyond me. Did someone copied this down from a 19th or 18th century travel notes?? Wikipedia would have been better without this article.

Then there's Churchill
... who in "the Second World War", written after 1945, consistently refers to Ankara as Angora. 76.166.245.86 (talk) 04:17, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Edits to disambiguation page on Mar 18, 2008
I had been surfing the disambiguation pages in need of clean-up and decided to edit this page, but I forgot to tag it as "in use" and User 129.21.105.77 managed to save their edits before I could. I have since changed their edits to my own. Here are my reasons:

Marchije (talk) 18:40, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Changed ref to Ankara, since Angora is more than simply an "alternative spelling." (I also added the historic info to the Ankara page)
 * Also changed style of entry to better reflect MOSDAB
 * I moved Angora wool to the top since I would argue that, at least in the English-speaking world, Angora is more commonly used to refer to the fabric. (I for one had never heard of Ankara referred to as Angora...)
 * Removed links to Angora Fire and Angora Lakes since logically a person searching for these two topics would not simply type "Angora" in their search.
 * As per MOSDAB: Dab pages are non-article pages and are solely intended to allow users to choose among several Wikipedia articles, usually when a user searches for an ambiguous term* Created stub page Tygodnik Angora and re-added link to it on this dab page.
 * Finally, given the removed links and the new link for Tygodnik Angora which would have sat on it's own and been the only uncatogorisable (is that a word?) link, I decided to forgo headings all together

Looks good to me ... better than my clean if I'm honest ... just tweaked a little by adding back lakes and fire just in case. Abtract (talk) 18:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

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