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"Job Search Engines"??
This is an out of date term, as described in its section and on the Job hunting page. In the past, the terms in common use were "job boards" and "resume boards" but now, since most employment-related Web sites offer both capabilities, a more appropriate term is "job sites" or something similar. Interestingly, over the past couple of years, we've had a new class of employment-related site appear, which may fulfill that name more accurately. These sites "aggregate" job postings from other sites and then link back to the original postings for viewing and application - those would be more appropriately called "job search engines." In the U.S., Indeed.com and SimplyHired.com are 2 examples.

I thought that I saw this point raised last month. It's still very valid, and should be addressed. I'm new at this, so I don't know exactly how to do it, and how to do it acceptably.

-- SJoyce 151.199.45.81 16:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Note the Wikipedia "Job Search Engine" link is now redirected to "Employment website" which kinda/sorta talks about the difference between job boards and job aggregators (as mentioned above) without actually using the term "job aggregator" which it should. Do a Google search on "job aggregator" and you find everything but Wikipedia!

So I updated this page to change from "Job Search Engine" to "Employment website.

"Job aggregator" is NOT a new term! The # 1 aggregator, Indeed.com, is the # 1 job-search-related site on the web according to Compete and Alexa, but it's not mentioned here. And it should be!

JobSearchPro (talk) 17:05, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Your vandalism of Job hunting on 13 December 2006
This message was posted on my personal talk page by JRSpriggs Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. JRSpriggs 10:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Dear Mr JRSpringgs,

(Note I've added some extra stuff here not on the talk page)

I understand you may think that my edition is vandalism as you have little or no experience in apply for or screening job applicants. I have read the vandalism section and feel that I have not vandalized the page as I you have described. I may have described the job hunting process from the hunters to the extreme job hunter, but I balanced it with the extremes that some employers do to job hunters. You have obviously no experience in countries outside of your own. So know little of the back room dealings and criminal elements that can influence a decision. You have not read widely or have a worldly experience working in war zone.

I have aimed to make a balanced article covering the point of view of both the employer and employee. Also there is the consideration of the international nature of job seeking. Just because there are laws for example in Australia and the US those laws are not available to everybody else. Job seeking can be dangerous, can cost you money..

It is easy to leave things alone and simply revert an edit to an old edit, it is simply censorship in the extreme, it isn't even balanced.

I should also note that you haven't even given me a chance to develop the article, given it was an article that needed expansion and was marked to do so. you could of edited it, but no you just gave reverted back to a weak article with little or no content.

You could of for example said this bit is a little extreme and deleted the section and mentioned it in the talk section.

I have decided to immediately withdraw from Job hunting article by not adding any contents. Which is very sad because you others could have learn't about the various screening techniques that employers/agencies use, the mental process people under pressure do etc.

Regards,

--Joewski 11:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

International Job hunting/seeking
In keeping with the worldwide encyclopedic nature of wikipedia would it be an idea to talk more about job seeking in different nationalities? I'd quite like an article of this nature to become a good article someday.

Of course, i could help if need be. Thegreatestuserever 17:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm working on this page
I'm reading a source, and writing referenced non-how-to material (view/talk) for this article. This reading and writing will probably take me a couple of weeks.--Chuck (talk) 02:53, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I finished my research and writing for this article, added the material to this article and deleted the sandbox in which I was writing. I nominated this article for "Did You Know" to get the attention of experts. I apologize for not keeping more of the unsourced wording, but I was too tired of the subject to merge in more detail.--Chuck Marean 20:33, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Expanded article
I did this edit (here). I hope you all like it.--Chuck Marean 23:28, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but there are major problems with this. First of all, it is massively overlinked; it's full of useless links to terms like "thankful" and "time", which do nothing to help the reader and just make an ugly sea of blue. On top of that, the way the article is taken entirely from one source makes me worry about plagiarism issues, since it is likely that you have simply copied the overall structure/outline of that source and reproduced it here. Finally, much of it is how-to, like "what you can do to improve your application". I had half a mind to revert this entire edit, but I will at least open it up to discussion for now. r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 04:38, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What I wrote is in my words, so there are no plagiarism issues, including the table. "Structue/outline" has nothing to do with plagiarism (I'v read articles on copyright), and it is somewhat different expecially in the "interview" section. Nothing of what I wrote has stuff about "what you can do to improve your application" as far as I know. It mentions application forms exist, but does not get into filling them out. What I wrote describes what the source claims job searching is. How-to articles are like in Ehow and Wikihow. As I wrote, I made sure it was not a how-to article, since it is intended for Wikipedia and not Wikibooks. Over time, this article might get more sources. The only source I have is the booklet I read. It's title sounds like it follows the book I mentioned in "further reading" The article now has a source which is more than it did before my edit. --Chuck Marean 20:07, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Very bad article
As it stands now this article is very bad. The main reason is that it reads like a how-to guide. Wikipedia is not a how-to guide. There are plenty of different opinions on job hunting, and it is not our place to tell people how to do it. Also all the references are from a single source, which means that it looks very like promotion for this source. The best that can be said is that it represents but a single viewpoint. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth (talk) 19:15, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Things that should be included in an article on job hunting include:
 * A history of job hunting
 * job hunting in various fields
 * job hunting in different parts of the world
 * Theories about job hunting
 * A survey of different approaches to job hunting

It may be necessary to strip out most of the contents of this article and start again. DJ Clayworth (talk) 19:38, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree. What I wrote is nothing like a how-to. It does not give instructions or advice. I made sure of that. If you want to see what a how-to is like, see Wikihow or Ehow.--Chuck Marean 19:45, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No, DJ Clayworth is correct. As it currently stands, this article is not written appropriately for an encyclopedia. I have restored the tags, but unfortunately do not have the significant amount of time it would take to fix the text. — Satori Son 20:04, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I just got done writing it, so I see nothing inappropriate or how-to about it, and I'm very tired of the subject so I'm can't work on it either. I'm not telling you to get a job, if that's what you think. I got a booklet in the mail on the subject and I noticed this article had no references, so I decided to read the booklet and take notes for the purpose of helping out this project. I bet I could have been paid ten dollars by a magazine for what I wrote, even though it took so long, so I consider it a contribution. I've read Ehow and Wikihow so I know the difference between a factual article and advice. When I wrote, I made sure it was not a how-to. --Chuck Marean 20:20, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I fully agree with DJ and Satori - the recent additions by Chuck are unencyclopedic and do not improve this article per WP:NOTHOWTO, etc. It all should be reverted. -- Zim Zala Bim talk  21:39, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Judging by the comments made here so far, I am leaning more than ever towards reverting this article before Chuck's additions. Chuck, I appreciate the amount of work you have put into this, but quite frankly it is simply not good, and not appropriate for Wikipedia. Given that you have put so much time into developing it, the best thing for you to do is to take it to an alternative outlet, such as knol or another wiki. In the meantime, there seems to be agreement (among every editor other than you)　that the additions have not been beneficial. Unless I see a major change in the next 24 hours or so, I will revert the whole thing. r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 01:36, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Technically the article is phrased so it does not say do this but in practice the result is the same. It describes an idealised process - i.e. what the job hunter should make happen, not what might happen. For example: "A résumé is concise — one or two pages long — and has the stantard résumé format". That does not describe what a resume is like, it describes what a good one should be like, if the writers advice is taken.

The other big issue is that almost the entire article describes the (idealised) process of looking for an average middle-ranking job in a Western country. The process is very different in other countries; it is different for many jobs in Western countries. For example a university professor who submitted a two page resume wouldn't even get past the first round. Job hunting for a CEO position is very different; so is that for a lawyer, or an actor, or a musician. I strongly concur with reverting back to before the recent edits. DJ Clayworth (talk) 14:27, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

 * The how-to and one-source issues are obvious. I'd give it a few days. No need to hurry. Chuck is making a real effort here, and no need discouraging him by not allowing him time and explaining patiently what the problem is about. Debresser (talk) 17:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

 * FWIW, Chuck has been down this path numerous times; lots of good faith, but rarely do any of his contributions remain unreverted. Sigh.... -- Zim Zala Bim talk  18:05, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

In some sense, unemployment is by nature a Western phenomenon. In countries where 95% of the population is engaged in subsistence agriculture, it is hard to say that unemployment can exist. Every person in the village can help work the fields, so there isn't really unemployment per se. If the crops fail, some in the village will starve to death, but this is a somewhat different phenomenon from unemployment. The Wikipedia article on unemployment says as much. So for internal consistency, I think it is quite natural that this article is somewhat Western biased. It is economic development and the specialization of labor which gives rise to the phenomenon of unemployment. --Westwind273 (talk) 05:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Reverted
It´s been two days since my ultimatum and I see no increase in support for Chuck´s edits, and no evidence that Chuck is working on cleaning up the content. Therefore, I have reverted the additions. --r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 19:54, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

The Primary Importance of Networking
I think that as this article develops, it should strongly emphasize the primary importance of networking in job search. Even now, the article says that at least 60% of jobs are found through networking. And yet, networking is not listed at the top as the #1 job search technique. (Any objections to changing this?) For sourcing on the primary importance of networking, I would recommend the books by Orville Pierson and also the AIM manuals that are put out by Lee Hecht Harrison. I think there are also some sources whose research indicates that in a recession, the percentage of jobs found through networking jumps to as high as 80%. --Westwind273 (talk) 17:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Whilst not disagreeing with the advantages of networking, as the majority of jobs available are not in the senior management/ professional / technical etc disciplines but are un-skilled / clerical / operative etc roles does networking rank as so high in importance? If one includes 'word of mouth' as a form of networking all be it not proactive networking but more likely chance encounter, this may be the case but it elevation to #1 would depend on finding a good source or two proving this. Interested to see what you can come up with.Tmol42 (talk) 20:14, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't have a lot of time to dig into this now, so I'm just trying to make a few suggestions on this talk page. On the one hand, I think the studies that have been done do show that a very large percentage of jobs are found through networking.  But on the other hand, I think there has actually been a dearth of research in this important area.  I think the research community may self-correct on this in the near future, and there may be an upcoming wave of high-quality research into the effectiveness of various job search methods.  My sense is that this wave of quality research will show that job seekers spend far too much time responding to online ads, and not enough time networking.  --Westwind273 (talk) 05:28, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Seeing no objection, I moved networking to the first spot on the list of common job search methods. From a style point of view, since networking is by far the most common way that people find jobs, it seems best to have it be first on the list. --Westwind273 (talk) 23:14, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

I made some edits to this page to hopefully clarify things and add useful information.

Many references are made to networking as being THE method for 80% of people to land jobs, and in my own informal research, that SEEMS to be true. However, the most recent academic study on the topic that found the 80% number is from the mid-1970's and hardly seems relevant today. The US Department of Labor says "networking is the successful method 50% or more" of the time, and they admit that's an estimate. I made that edit today since the link to Jobsearch.about.com was a generic networking link.

I added another section for "Online reputation management" because it is currently an underestimated - but extremely important - aspect of job search today, as several studies from JobVite and Microsoft have shown in the last 18 months. Microsoft unfortunately removed their study from their website in January, 2011, but I had saved a copy which I put on my website and shared in that section. I've asked Microsoft to put the study back up on their website, but haven't found it there, yet, and they didn't seem to know what I was requesting. When/if they do make it available again, the link to my site in that section should be replaced with the Microsoft link, obviously. It is an international study - the USA and Europe - so would seem both relevant and extremely useful. I hope this addition stays since it is very important to current job search success.

 * I think the current "50% or higher" wording in the article is far too conservative. Here are some recent links (not from the 70's) that say the actual number is more like 80% or 85%.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/new-survey-reveals-85-all-jobs-filled-via-networking-lou-adler/ https://www.payscale.com/career-news/2017/04/many-jobs-found-networking http://www.businessinsider.com/at-least-70-of-jobs-are-not-even-listed-heres-how-to-up-your-chances-of-getting-a-great-new-gig-2017-4 https://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/outside-voices-careers/2014/09/17/dont-believe-these-8-job-search-myths --Westwind273 (talk) 19:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Networking cite
Since the 2011 JobVite study is focused on social networking and social media, that's where I placed the link to their study. --JobSearchPro (talk • 19:27, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The edit reverted did not touch the JobVite citation but restored a cite you had removed without explanation.Tmol42 (talk) 21:55, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Job search engine vs Employment website
The link to Wikipedia's entry for "job search engine" redirects to the more appropriate term "employment website" so I changed the link to Wikipedia's Employment website page in this entry. It was reverted back to "job search engine." Do not understand why. The term "job search engine" is not useful or used, even inside Wikipedia. Help me understand why that change was obliterated.

JobSearchPro (talk) 20:13, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Apparently someone had meant to revert a different edit before yours, and accidentally also reverted yours in the process. I've restored it. r ʨ anaɢ (talk) 21:11, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

I enlarged the largest section
Hope it will find its readers and critics. Viooletta (talk) 11:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

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Saxophone Solos

Saxophone Solos is a solo soprano saxophone album by Evan Parker. Three of the tracks were recorded live on June 17, 1975, at the Unity Theatre in London, and the remaining music was recorded on September 9, 1975 at the FMP Studio in Berlin. The album was initially released on LP in 1976 by Incus Records, and was reissued on CD in 1995 by Chronoscope records with nine additional tracks bearing subtitles from Samuel Beckett, again on CD in 2009 by Psi Records (with the extra tracks), and again on LP in 2021 by Otoroku Records (with just the original four tracks). The contents of the album, plus a previously-missing track from the studio session, were also included in a 1989 limited-edition box set compilation titled Collected Solos, issued by Cadillac Distribution.

In a 2020 interview, Parker stated that the live tracks were recorded at his first solo performance. Although he originally objected to the idea of doing a solo recording, he relented when he realized that it could involve a dialogue with his instrument, rather than with another "mind." When asked about the use of the term "aerobatics" for track titles, he responded: "What's in a name? It has a quality which either speaks to the listener or not. It is a poetic conceit."

Reception
In a review for AllMusic, Thom Jurek wrote: "these solos are for the most part beyond the reach of even music to describe... These pieces are about sonic texture, tonality and atonality, and why they're both the same thing, and they reveal also the mechanical possibilities for the instrument that weren't even considered before he came along -- things like playing in all three registers of the instrument at the same time... These early recordings of Parker's solo performances pointed the way for a body of music that is singular in its achievement, and stand the test of time on their own as brilliant, investigative, and provocative works of a musical firebrand."

The authors of The Penguin Guide to Jazz awarded the album 4 stars, and stated that the music addresses "those moments when language cedes to silence, non-communication and sheer physicality... Parker can be heard experimenting with duration, changing the colour of sound even as pitches are sustained, but also using multiphonics to collapse the vertical organization of jazz... in favour of sounds that have mass but no single obvious direction and destination."

Writing for All About Jazz, Martin Longley commented: "Parker is intent on a relentless investigation of sustained high-pitch kettle-whistling tones, expertly manipulated into diamond hardness. He's also using space and restraint between the multiphonic events, often isolating sounds for single-minded savoring... He plays as if possessed... The listener is right there, on site, as these new approaches are being explored... this vintage set can be characterized as a rupturing outburst, directed with steely control." AAJ's John Eyles stated: "Those 'Aerobatics' titles were well chosen; Parker performs the musical equivalents of looping the loop, barrel rolling and spinning, defying gravity. And to do so, he needed concentration and stamina equal to any stunt pilot... this is not only of historical interest but also fine music in its own right."

1976 and 2021 LP releases

 * 1) "Aerobatics 1" – 16:20
 * 2) "Aerobatics 4" – 3:48
 * 3) "Aerobatics 2" – 6:30
 * 4) "Aerobatics 3" – 14:25

1995 and 2009 CD releases

 * 1) "Aerobatics 1" – 16:24
 * 2) "Aerobatics 2" – 6:33
 * 3) "Aerobatics 3" – 14:29
 * 4) "Aerobatics 4" – 3:46
 * 5) "Aerobatics 5 'The light of the understanding and the fire'" – 6:57
 * 6) "Aerobatics 6 'Equinox, memorable equinox'" – 3:54
 * 7) "Aerobatics 7 'Shadows of the evening'" – 1:44
 * 8) "Aerobatics 8 'The dark nurse'" – 5:25
 * 9) "Aerobatics 9 'Not with the fire in me now'" – 2:23
 * 10) "Aerobatics 11 'Shadows of the opus... magnum'" – 6:01
 * 11) "Aerobatics 12 'The vision at last'" – 0:10
 * 12) "Aerobatics 13 'And the aspirations'" – 3:34
 * 13) "Aerobatics 14 'And the resolutions'" – 6:58

 * Tracks 1–3 recorded at the Unity Theatre in London on June 17, 1975. Remaining tracks recorded at the FMP Studio in Berlin on September 9, 1975. "Aerobatics 10 'Crest of the wave or thereabouts'", also recorded in Berlin on September 9, 1975, and missing from Saxophone Solos, was included in Collected Solos (Cadillac, 1989).

Personnel

 * Evan Parker – soprano saxophone

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Anna Brzezińska (writer)

Anna Brzezińska (born 1971) is a Polish writer.

Biography
Brzezińska was born in 1971. She was born in Opole and currently lives in Warsaw. She graduated in history at the Catholic University of Lublin and defended her PhD thesis in medieval history at the Central European University in Budapest. Her literary debut was her short story "A kochał ją, że strach", published in 1998 in the Magia i Miecz magazine, for which she received the Janusz A. Zajdel Award. Later she won the Zajdel Award also for the novel Żmijowa harfa and the short story Wody głębokie jak niebo. Brzezińska is a co-owner of the RUNA publishing house. In the Internet she uses the nickname Sigrid.

Novels

 * Zbójecki Gościniec (Bandit's Highway) - NOWA (1999); revised version published as Plewy na wietrze (Chaff in the Wind) - RUNA (2006)
 * Żmijowa harfa (A Drake Harp) - NOWA (2000)
 * Letni deszcz. Kielich (Summer Rain. Cup) - RUNA (2004)
 * Za króla, ojczyznę i garść złota (For the King, the Country and the Handful of Gold) - in collaboration with Grzegorz Wiśniewski, RUNA 2007
 * Na ziemi niczyjej (On No Man's Land) - in collaboration with Grzegorz Wiśniewski, RUNA 2008
 * Letni deszcz. Sztylet (Summer Rain. Dagger) - RUNA (2009)
 * Córki Wawelu. Opowieść o jagiellońskich królewnach (Daughters of Wawel. The story of the Jagiellonian princesses), Kraków, Wydawnictwo Literackie, 2017.

Short story collections

 * Opowieści z Wilżyńskiej Doliny (Tales from the Wilzynska Valley) - RUNA (2002)
 * Wody głębokie jak niebo (Waters as Deep as the Sky) - RUNA (2005)
 * Wiedźma z Wilżyńskiej Doliny (The Witch of the Wilzynska Valley) - RUNA (2010)

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Communist Party of Albania 8 November

Communist Party of Albania 8 November (in Albanian: Partia Komuniste e Shqipërisë 8 Nëntori) is a political party in Albania. It is led by Preng Çuni.

In the 2007 municipal elections, PKSH 8 Nëntori won one seat in three municipalities; Cërrik, Tunja and Balldren i Ri.

In the 2013 elections, PKSH 8 Nëntori, supporting the coalition of Edi Rama, got 1404 votes nationwide (approx. 0,08%).

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Irritability

Irritability is the excitatory ability that living organisms have to respond to changes in their environment. The term is used for both the physiological reaction to stimuli and for the pathological, abnormal or excessive sensitivity to stimuli.

When reflecting human emotion and behavior, it is commonly defined as the tendency to react to stimuli with negative affective states (especially anger) and temper outbursts, which can be aggressive. Distressing or impairing irritability is important from a mental health perspective as a common symptom of concern and predictor of clinical outcomes.

Definition
Irritability is the excitatory ability that living organisms have to respond to changes in their environment. The term is used for both the physiological reaction to stimuli and for the pathological, abnormal or excessive sensitivity to stimuli. Irritability can be demonstrated in behavioral responses to both physiological and behavioral stimuli, including environmental, situational, sociological, and emotional stimuli.

In humans, irritability may be a significant transdiagnostic symptom or disposition that occurs across or at any point during the lifespan. It is commonly defined as the tendency to react to stimuli with the experience of negative affective states (especially anger) and temper outbursts, which may or may not be aggressive. This definition is well known to have similarities with the definitions of anger and aggression. New hypotheses and data-driven research are focused on identifying what is unique to irritability, anger, and aggression. The definition is broad. It is also consistent with special definitions that are relevant to research and treatment. One definition is that irritability is a low threshold for experiencing frustration. This definition is helpful for experiments because researchers can induce frustration by blocking desired rewards or doling out unexpected punishments. However, it is not particularly specific to irritability, as frustration is its own construct with a number of emotional and behavioral associations. A second prominent special definition describes a group of behavioral issues often occurring in those diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder. This deserves mention here because this version of irritability has been a commonly used in a number of clinical trials and defines the current US Food and Drug Administration irritability indication.

Signs and symptoms
As an emotional and behavioral symptom in humans, someone is considered to be irritable when they have a short temper, become easily frustrated, or feel grouchy or grumpy. Caregivers may report tension in the household or fatigue. They may make accommodations to avoid provoking their dependents. Irritability is associated with a number of mental health conditions. It is a defining characteristic of any mood disorder, such as bipolar, depressive, and disruptive mood dysregulation disorders. It is also a major feature of a number of other disorders, including autism spectrum disorders, traumatic stress disorders, generalized anxiety disorder, etc. Finally, it is a notable characteristic of delirium, dementia, hormonal change, metabolic disturbance, chronic stress, pain, and substance/medication withdrawal.

Of course, given that irritability is not specific to any one condition, clinicians consider biological, social, psychological, and familial factors. Irritability may be an indicator of diagnosis, course of illness, or prognosis. For example, a major concern for clinicians is the time course of irritability. If a person presents as uncharacteristically irritable, then a clinician may become concerned a change or episodic illness, such as a neurologic insult or mood disorder. Understanding the time course of irritability is critical for establishing the diagnosis of pediatric bipolar disorder from disruptive mood dysregulation disorder. In another example, chronic, severe irritability in older children (not including young children, e.g. preschool age, where normative irritability may be severe) may predict later depression and anxiety and suicidality.

Neurophysiology
Several major neural systems have been implicated across a number of studies for idiopathic, chronic irritability. These include the following: 1) prefrontal areas that underlying complex, goal directed behavior, especially inhibitory control and the regulation of emotions; 2) cortico-subcortical systems underlying reward processing, particularly in reaction to a frustrating stimulus; and 3) cortico-subcortical systems underlying threat and arousal processing, particularly in the context of social fairness or social threat.

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Is this copied from a self help book/website ?
Really this article is pretty bad - with many sections focusing on giving some sort of advise, rather than a detached academic treatment of what anxiety is and what causes it.

The attribution of 'poor lifestyle' as a cause is pretty poor too - what does this mean? It sounds like something a Sunday school teacher would say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.164.180.193 (talk) 12:32, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

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i was fixing some of the links, so now instead of PMS and PTSD we have premenstrual syndrome and post-traumatic stress disorder, with irritability mentioned in each page. there was a link to "pregency" which i assume is supposed to mean "pregnancy", but irritability isn't mentioned on the pregnancy page, so i removed it. 80.178.72.222 05:15, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

is there a chance that if youre getting this say from both hunger and pain its worse? 87.69.104.136 00:12, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I would think that only the sufferer could answer that. Aren't both pain and hunger relative? PMHauge 01:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * heh, in that case the answer is yes. 80.178.193.191 23:39, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

i'm not sure whether this source is reliable, but this page - http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/sym/irritability.htm looks really, really detailed. 80.178.14.59 06:42, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Done?
I get this feeling that this list will never stop growing until it encompasses every condition, ailment and situation that could befall mankind. I mean, won't just about anything manage to irritate at least someone? PMHauge 13:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

 * It wouldn't if we could more exactly define irritability. Being irritated shouldn't be the smane thing. — trlkly 09:40, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

probably a candidate for deletion as it seems nothing more that a definition and has no references. Given the current form - a list could include
 * bad drivers
 * homework
 * work colleagues
 * washing the dishes
 * when the newspaper boy throws the paper in a puddle
 * not having a coffee
 * being really really sick

Earlypsychosis (talk) 23:43, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

 * taking too many drugs
 * reading silly wikipedia articles

this article seems to simply be a defintion and like a dictionary Earlypsychosis (talk) 08:54, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

The Biological Definition
This article ignores the biologist's definition of irritability, which is simply the ability of an organism to respond actively to physical stimuli. If there are no objections, I'll add this section. rowley (talk) 22:50, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

management and treatment
add these sections — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A03:2880:3010:7FF3:FACE:B00C:0:1 (talk) 06:53, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Irritability
Why is there a page for an emotion? Wikipedia isn't supposed to have pages about things that can only be seen by a living being.--Trisha Gaurav (talk) 03:31, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

What it is:
Irritability causes you to have a negative mind-set. The feeling of agitation.

Why it occurs:
Physical, Psychological, and Medical reasons. Psychological: This can be mainly caused due to stress, anxiety, or depression. Physical: Lack of sleep, sickness, unsteady body conditions (ex. low-blood sugar) Medical: drug use, diabetes, alcohol

General Page Improvements
I'm a relatively new user interested in improving this page. I plan to:

 * Add references
 * For example, these excellent reviews
 * Improve the prose
 * Particularly in the Types section
 * Make some structural changes
 * This page is written as if irritability is a standalone psychiatric condition, but I think it may be more appropriate to describe it as a symptom related to many different disorders.

I plan to make incremental changes over the next few weeks. I welcome feedback and suggestions and am interested in working collaboratively. Thanks! Joshal (talk) 22:29, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Content Revision Update on Findings and Clinical Standards
I revised the page to provide an academic and clinical perspective as many of us clinicians and investigators are now heavily focused in this area. IrrMD (talk) 17:43, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The focus of the page was is largely on irritability as a personality trait and symptom. Given it's importance for public health, this page likely needs a to be separated via disambiguation from biologic irritability, which needs its own page.
 * I'm a new user, so I need to learn how to do this. :-)
 * The source material tries to stick to primary evidence or authoritative review in peer reviewed journals, crediting folks who originally posed ideas or found evidence.
 * This needs some prose editing, but I needed to first outline the basic content.
 * I very much appreciated the layout and guidance, thanks Joshal!.
 * I'll keep working on the page to flesh out clinical, translational, and biological issues.

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Drumul Taberei

Drumul Taberei (, The Camp Road) is a neighbourhood located in the south-west of Bucharest, Romania, roughly between Timișoara Avenue (south of Plaza România and the Cotroceni Railway Station) and Ghencea Avenue, neighboring Militari to the north, Panduri to the east and Ghencea and Rahova to the south and south-east.

It is one of the few examples of successful urban planning during Communist Romania, despite it being built in the Eastern European tradition of "dormitory neighborhoods". This success is mostly due to the unique approach of the architects and planners to the concept of high-density urban living, an approach that was not used elsewhere in Bucharest.

History
The neighbourhood was built starting with Stalinist style apartments in the 1950s, that evolved with 4 to 10 storey tower blocks apartments built from 1960 to 1974, on former agricultural fields and marshland, using an old road as a backbone. It was called Road of the Camp because Tudor Vladimirescu set there his Pandur camp before entering Bucharest in 1821.

On 15 May 1975, the housing estate was one of the places visited by Queen Juliana of the Netherlands, along with Prince Bernhard of Lippe-Biesterfeld, whose visit sparked massive interest of the residents living in the area. Drumul Taberei was one of the sites where during the 1989 Romanian Revolution, the then-Ministry of Defense building (today main Ground Forces command), the site was the scene of bloody armed conflict between revolutionaries and the military. Buildings near the Orizont market were damaged and a few people were killed. Some of the bullet holes from those events are still noticeable on a group of buildings dating from the 1950s and early 1960s. Not far from the entrance to the neighborhood, at the Răzoare intersection, the Flemish journalist Danny Huwé was killed during the night of 25 December 1989, when revolutionaries mistook him for a pro-communist fighter.

Urban planning
The central concept of the area was providing for a comfortable living environment in a high density urban area. The main concepts used were standardization of buildings (most of the residential buildings are standard Eastern European tower blocks – cutii de chibrituri, literally "matchboxes"), providing for quick and efficient mass transit to the center of the city but also inside the neighbourhood, and creating large, green spaces to counterbalance the massiveness and bleakness of the standardized apartment buildings.

The heart of the quarter is Drumul Taberei Park, a small park, complete with an artificial lake and a public swimming pool. The main avenue of the quarter circles the park forming a "U" shape, extending outwards to the east, and linking the quarter to the center of the city. Immediately east of the park, a large north-south street (Brașov Street) cuts across the U-shaped avenues in order to provide quick access to Militari and Ghencea. Next to the park, a large open-air market (Drumul Taberei) was built.

Public transport was constructed to be an integral part of the neighbourhood; as such, the neighbourhood is well connected to all parts of the city. Around each trolleybus stop, commercial areas were planned and built, to include stores, restaurants and cinemas, to serve for each small community served by that stop (many of these commercial areas still keep their original names – "Favorit", "Orizont", "Drumul Taberei 34"). The design of the neighbourhood was influenced by the then-fashionable brutalism, visible especially in the design of the commercial areas. This design, despite being very popular and very efficient, was not adopted anywhere else in Bucharest, partly because most other high-density neighbourhoods were built over a pre-existing layout, with old buildings being razed and rebuilt, and partly because the process of designing and planning such a complex layout all over again was rather slow (Drumul Taberei was completed around 1974, although the construction of other apartment buildings continued into the 1980s). In all, 63,000 apartments were built.

The neighborhood initially didn't benefit from a metro, because city planners believed that trolleybus and tram connections were good enough. An urban legend, however, claims that the metro avoided this neighborhood because Elena Ceaușescu thought that "only the bourgeoisie live in this neighborhood, they do not deserve such a thing". Whether this is true or not, is not known.

Drumul Taberei also was the place where many (initially experimental) building designs were adopted, and the western part of the neighborhood was one of the first to employ prefabricated-panel buildings on a larger scale in Romania, whilst the eastern side of the neighborhood predominantly features buildings with mortar as the main material used. A part that is widely considered as part of this neighborhood, was the separate development of the Tudor Vladimirescu/Ghencea housing estate, constructed between 1978 and 1987, which featured typical architecture from the 1980s, including the well-known "Type 772" buildings, a prefabricated building type widespread in Bucharest.

A few apartment buildings on the western side of this neighborhood were known to house Chilean refugees, which fled after the 1973 Chilean coup d'état. Some of them remained in Romania, whilst others went back to Chile.

Transportation
The design of the neighbourhood placed a great importance on mass transit. Trolleybuses connect all parts of the quarter with Gara de Nord, Eroilor and Universitate, while Light Rail 41 links the neighbourhood to Ghencea, Militari, Crângași, Ion Mihalache, Herăstrău Park and Băneasa. The network also features a number of bus lines, serving additional routes inside the neighborhood.

In September 2020, an extension of the Bucharest Metro to Drumul Taberei, Metro Line M5, was completed.

As the neighbourhood was heavily designed around public transport, parking spaces are scarce in some areas, and traffic jams and gridlocks are common occurrences, especially at the Răzoare intersection, where one of the three center-bound roads out of Rahova meets two of the centerbound roads out of Drumul Taberei. Such traffic issues were complicated by the appearance of the new metro line M5 works, meaning that most of the roads had to be narrowed due to the works, leading to the disappearance of the trolleybuses to Valea Oltului street and the northern branch of Drumul Taberei road. The metro also raised some concerns due to the fact that its close to the apartment blocks and vibrations from the metro can cause damage to them. By 2013/2014 some cracks were noticed in these apartment blocks, leading to fears amongst the population of this area.

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Talk:Loans affair

This is a very poor article which I will fix when I get time. Adam 14:01, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Labour economic mismangement and following cover up attempt
The current text sounds like a left wing spin. Excuses for economic mismangement. This part needs NPOV not a sympathy for Labour leader.

Beset by economic difficulties at the time and the negative political impact which the Loans Affair conjured, the Whitlam Government was very vulnerable to further assaults on its credibility. Gough Whitlam was prompted to sack Dr. Cairns from his cabinet.

Gerry Karidis
Why is there no mention of Karidis in this article? He was at the center of the affair and played a hilarious and pivotal role travelling the world trying to secure the petrodollars. It would be nice if his involvement was mentioned in some degree, especially in the aftermath when he was called into the senate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.210.93.95 (talk) 02:35, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Chronology
The chronology is confused and incomplete. Australian Constitutional Crisis article implies the Affair occurred before 1974 Election (which I assume is false). In this article, the dates are either not given or out of order (July coming before June). It also implies that the Coalition blocked supply after the resignation of Connor but actually this threat was first raised preceding the 1974 Election. I have tried to correct this and tidy up generally. It still could be improved. There is no information on the "leaking" of the scandal.--Jack Upland 03:16, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Khemlani: Date of death
According to notes I made years ago, he died either on 19 May 1991, or 17 September 1991. Can anyone either prove or disprove either of these dates? JackofOz 12:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Khemlani: Nickname
Including his nickname is fine, but whatever other uses the same phrase is used for is outside the scope of this article. Sfaiku (talk) 03:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I propose that Tirath Khemlani be merged into this article as per WP:BLP1E. --Surturz (talk) 02:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Agreed. A classic example of two articles which cover the same ground and need to be merged. Peter Ballard (talk) 00:34, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've done an initial merge of the articles. Still a lot of clean up to do. --Surturz (talk) 00:44, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The only bit of info that might be worth keeping from the material I cut was the following: "In 1981, Khemlani was arrested in New York for attempting to sell stolen securities." --Surturz (talk) 00:48, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This merge was incompletely done. It failed to merge the threads @ Talk:Tirath Khemlani into here, and for all intents and purposes they've since being lost to history as far as the casual reader is concerned.  I've salvaged them and inserted them in their correct chronological places above.   --   Jack of Oz   [your turn]  01:52, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Jack, didn't know that needed doing. --Surturz (talk) 02:03, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

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2007 Rugby World Cup qualifying

There were 20 places available for the 2007 Rugby World Cup held in France. The 86 teams taking part in regional qualifying competitions together with the 8 teams which have qualified automatically brings to 94 the total number of teams participating in the 2007 Rugby World Cup.

Tournaments

 * Africa qualification
 * Americas qualification
 * Asia qualification
 * European qualification
 * Oceania qualification
 * Repechage

Africa

 * (Africa 1)

Americas

 * (Americas 1)
 * (Americas 2)
 * (Americas 3)

Asia

 * (Asia 1)

Europe

 * (Europe 1)
 * (Europe 2)
 * (Europe 3)
 * (Repechage 1)

Oceania

 * (Oceania 1)
 * (Oceania 2)
 * (Repechage 2)

Qualifying places
The places for the 2007 World Cup were outlined as:

 * Africa 1
 * Americas 1
 * Americas 2
 * Americas 3
 * Asia 1
 * Europe 1
 * Europe 2
 * Europe 3
 * Oceania 1
 * Oceania 2
 * Repechage 1
 * Repechage 2

Africa
There is one place available for African teams, and one place in the repechage. In the group rounds, there are three points awarded for a win, two for a draw, and one for a loss. Games are played on a home and away basis. There are no bonus points awarded. The African qualification is broken up into three rounds; Round 1, Round 2 and Round 3. The first phase of the tournament is Round 1a, where two groups of three teams play each other. The respective winners of the two groups play each other for a place in Round 1b. Round 1b consists again of two groups of three teams; the winner of both pools will enter Round 2. The runners-up of both pools play each other to enter Round 2 with the winners. Round 2 also consists of two groups of three teams, with the winners of each group qualifying for Round 3. Round 3 is a to game series between the respective group winners from Round 2. The winner qualifies for the World Cup, and the loser will enter a Repechage round.

Americas
There are three available places in the World Cup for Americas nations via qualification, as well as a potential fourth qualifier in the form of a Repechage. The Americas qualification tournament is broken up into four rounds; Round 1, Round 2, Round 3 and Round 4. The first phase, Round 1a, is a competition for entry to Round 3b. It is contested between two pools of four Caribbean nations – with the pool winners playing in a playoff to reach round 3b. Round 1b is a group of four CONSUR 2nd Division nations – the winner progresses to Round 2. Round 2 is a three nation competition with the winner moving to Round 3a. The winner of the Round 3a competition of three nations progresses directly to the World Cup as Americas 1. The runner-up progresses to Round 4. The winner of the Round 3b competition of three nations progresses directly to the World Cup as Americas 2. The runner-up progresses to Round 4. Round 4 is a to match play-off consisting of the runners-up of each Round 3 tournaments. The winner progresses directly to the World Cup as Americas 3. The runner up progresses to Repechage round as Americas 4, to meet the winner of Africa 2 v Europe 4, for the first Repechage place in the World Cup.

Asia
The Asia qualification process is broken up into three rounds – Round 1, Round 2 and Round 3. There is one place for an Asia team in the World Cup, with a second potential place in the form of a Repechage. Three teams in Division 1 of Round 1a play each other once. All three teams go through to Round 2, the winner and runner up into Division 1 of Round 2 with third place into Division 2 of Round 2. Division 2 of Round 1a sees another three teams play each other once, the top two teams go through to Round 2, the winner entering Division 1 of Round 2and the runner up Division 2 of Round 2. Round 2 is broken up into two divisions of three nations, each nation plays each other once. The top two teams from Division 1 and top team from Division 2 go through to round 3. The winner of Round 3 will qualify directly to the World Cup as Asia 1. The runner-up will advance to the Repechage round as Asia 2, to play Oceania 3 for Repechage 2.

Europe
There are three places available for European teams, and one place in the repechage. The teams are 'ranked' according to their division in the European Nations Cup, taking into account the relegations and promotions at the end of the previous competition. The format is broken up into six rounds. Round 2 sees 20 nations broken up into four pools of five teams – each playing each other twice. The top two ranked nations of each pool will gain entry to Round 3, with the third placed nations of each pool entering a play-off, the top two ranked sides from the playoff enter round 3. Round 3 consists of 10 nations playing each other twice in two pools of five nations. Winners of each pool enter a play-off, with the play-off winner entering Round 4. The European Nations Cup, consisting of six nations will all gain a place in either Round 4 or 5. The top three nations enter Round 5, with the bottom three entering Round 4. Winners of Round 4 enter Round 5. Round 5 is broken up into two pools of three nations, the first placed nation of a pool qualifies for the World Cup (Europe 1 and Europe 2) while second placed sides of the Round 5 pools enter Round 6. Round 6 is a two-game tournament which Europe 3 (World Cup entry) and Europe 4 (repechage).

Oceania
There are two available positions in the World Cup of Oceanic nations, with a potential third in the form of a Repechage. the tournament is split up into four rounds. Round 1a sees three nations from the Oceania East region play each other once, the winner of the group will qualify for Round 2. Round 1b sees three nations from the Oceania West region play each other once, the winner of the group will also qualify for Round 2. Round 3 is a two match playoff between the winners of Round 1a and 1b. The winner moves to Round 4. Round 3 is a three nation tournament, teams play each other twice. The top two ranked nations will enter the World Cup as Oceania 1 and Oceania 2. The third ranked nation moves to Round 4. The winner of the two game Round 4 tournament advances to Repechage 2 where they meet Asia 1 for a World Cup place.

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 * Harris's father Peter "Zin" Harris was also a New Zealand international player, and his brother Ben Harris has played at first-class level.

Is the Zin Harris another Harris (Peter), or is he Parke Gerald Zinzan Harris? -- Ian ≡ talk 14:02, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Zin Harris = PGZ Harris Tintin 14:23, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * So to call him "Peter" is wrong then (or was Peter a nickname)? -- Ian ≡ talk 14:51, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * No idea. Tintin 14:54, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm changing the article then. -- Ian ≡ talk 14:58, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

His full name on cricketarchive and cricinfo is Chris Zinzan Harris rather than Christopher Zinzan Harris. --Jpeeling 14:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

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Joachimites

The Joachimites, also known as Joachites, a millenarian group, arose from the Franciscans in the thirteenth century. They based their ideas on the prior works of Joachim of Fiore (c. 1135 – 1202), though rejecting the Church of their day more strongly than he had. Joachimite beliefs were condemned by the Fourth Council of the Lateran and Joachimite interpretations became popular during the Protestant Reformation, and even influenced some Protestant interpretations. He also divided history into three ages: the ages of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Beliefs of Joachim
Joachim of Fiore believed in a historicist interpretation of eschatology, and mysticism. Joachim's works divide history into three ages. The first age was of the Father. The age of the Father was the age of the Old Covenant. The second age was of the Son and therefore the world of Christianity. The third and final age would be that of the Holy Spirit. In this new age an "Eternal Gospel" would be revealed as "fulfilling" and replacing the organized church. After that society would be realigned on an egalitarian and utopian monastic base. The first age is said to have been of forty-two generations. The second age would also be of 42 generations. Joachim seemed to suggest the Christian era would end in 1260 with the coming of the Anti-Christ. After that, a utopian age would arrive. Joachim believed that the end could come at any moment, Joachim believed in the New Testament emphasis on the imminence of the end.

The main reason of Joachim was that history forms an image of its creator, and because the creator has three persons, history should be seen in three ages. Joachim also said that there were two great dispensations, which were the Old Testament and the New Testament.

Joachim believed that the Jews were the elect people of God during the Old Testament, he believed that during the "first seal" of the Old Testament the Jews endured oppression by the Egyptians, in the "second seal" they battled against the Canaanites and established their royal power and priesthood in Jerusalem. During the third seal, the kingdom of the Hebrews was divided into many tribes, in the fourth seal Israel paid a price for its sins and was conquered by the Assyrians, in the fifth seal the Chaldeans took Jerusalem and under the sixth seal the Jews suffered captivity in Babylon and in the seventh seal the Temple was rebuilt and the Jews had a time of peace until the Greeks came, which caused an end to the Old Covenant, and the era of the Father came to an end. The coming of Jesus resulted in the replacement of God's chosen people, Joachim believed that the blindness of Tobit (Tob 2:7-10) represented the blindness of the Hebrews, he believed that the Hebrews were too "carnal" in observing the law and did not have the "inner sight" to see the "light of Jesus". Joachim also saw the story of Zachary and Elizabeth (Luke 1:5-7) in a similar way, he saw that Zachary signified the relates of the Jews and Elizabeth the "church of the Levites". Elizabeth's pregnancy revealed that the Synagogue would give birth to Jesus, Zachary did not originally believe the angel Gabriel's proclamation that Elizabeth would have a child and became mute, which represents the duality of Jewish priesthood. Joachim believed that such as Tobit and Zachary were pious people, but they were still deprived of their sight and likewise, the Hebrews erred by a denial of the trinity and due to that the Hebrews lost their priesthood and loyal power which was given to the gentiles.

Joachim drew connections between the rise of Islam and errors of the Greek church, he especially criticized the Orthodox rejection of filioque as a heresy. According to Joachim, God promising Hezekiah protection in the Old Testament paralleled God's protection of the western Church under the Franks from the Islamic invasions, after the Byzantine empire was virtually destroyed. The rise of the Franks and their union with the papacy was a fascinating thing for Joachim, first the event showed that the power of the Byzantines had been destroyed, even though it wasn't completely destroyed, it also secondly inaugurated the "fifth seal", which in his interpretation was an era of peace and stability for the Western Church, which paralleled the protection given to Hezekiah. Joachim divided the history of the Church into three times: the time of "Israel", from Christ to Constantine: the time of "Egypt" which was from Constantine to Charles and to the time of "Babylon" which was to the time of Joachim from Charles.

Joachim believed that he saw that the Latin church had clear indications of entering into the days of lamentations predicted by Jeremiah. Joachim saw that pope Leo IX aligned with King Josiah of Judah who reformed religious life in his kingdom, but was destroyed by Pharaoh, after the failure of Leo at the battle of Civitate Joachim declared that the Pope had erred by trusting in "material arms" rather than spiritual weapons. Joachim believed that efforts to reform the church were not enough to save the Roman Church, like the last kings in Judah could not protect themselves against Babylon.

Joachim saw that the Antichrist would one day become a pope, he also saw that Rome represented Babylon, Joachim associated the papacy as both an absolute evil and with angelic good. Joachim of Fiore also believed that Israel will join the church before the end times and be converted and that the eastern and western churches will unify as "one flock".

Joachim believed in a futuristic millennial kingdom, as predicted in the book of Revelation, unlike people like Augustine who believed the millennium was already present, Joachim saw it as a 1000-year future event that is not yet present.

Joachim was a Trinitarian, Joachim used to doubt the doctrine of the Trinity, however later he had a vision of a psaltery with 10 strings, in a triangular form, which clarified the Trinity to him. Joachim also attacked the views of Peter Lombard concerning the Trinity, in his book "Psaltery of Ten Strings".

Controversy
In 1215 some of his ideas were condemned in the Fourth Council of the Lateran. Further, his admirers came to believe the beginning of this New Age would be ushered in by the coming of a virtuous Pope from the Franciscan order. They considered Celestine V (elected in 1294) to be this Pope. His resignation, and death in 1296 in the dungeons of the next Pope, was considered a sign of the coming of the Anti-Christ. Around this time, or somewhat before, they further decided Joachim's writings were the Eternal Gospel or the road to it.

The fact that the movement also moved toward a more practical approach did have some influence. It was one of the first movements to be heavily geared toward the future as being made perfectible through human action. This action was largely to lead toward a great supernatural event, but had a great deal of real-world notions of progress. Ultimately, however, this was also generally opposed, as utopian revelations were deemed to be foolishness or even heresy.

Medieval period
The Fraticelli were influenced by the teachings of Joachim. Joachim also possibly influenced the views of Dante.

Modern period
Joachimite interpretations influenced some Puritans in the 17th and 18th centuries, and in modern times some Protestants such as Jurgen Moltmann were influenced by Joachim's theology, however, he is often viewed negatively by Catholics.

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Golden Gate Bridge (your vandal reversion)
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What was really strange to me was that the vandalism "stuck" from your edit of 2 Feb through several vandal reversions until corrected 7 Feb by an IP anon edit. (I was checking that edit). There is an easy way to revert quickly, by the way.

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My poll
...is completely pointless, really. Except that I suspect that there's a greater number of computer geeks (and, by association, a greater number of Wikipedians) who enjoy Rush than the average social group. So I'm testing my theory, in a completely unscientific way. ;) · Katefan0(scribble)/ poll 02:13, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

List of songs in triple meter (1990-1999)

 * It keeps getting removed because there is a faction of wiipedians who hate lists on principle, and they hate them even more when it's about a topic that they don't know much about or don't care about. So there you have it.  If you are fond of any other lists, keep an eye on them because they are nominated for afd all the time.  I have an old version of the page if you would like it. --Hraefen 18:45, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

 * That's one interpretation. Another is that there was a clear consensus to delete it (and the related triple metre lists) for reasons including, but not limited to, the fact that many of the entries are unverifiable (not published as sheet music) or wrong (12/8 is not triple metre, it's compound duple). Speaking as the original contributor of triple metre I think you'd have a hard time justifying your assertion that I don't care about the subject.  If you have an old version of the page you may be violating GFDL.  Just zis Guy you know? 10:57, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Right, thanks for reminding me. Another, probably the main, reason that the page has been deleted is that Just zis Guy you know? is spiteful and confrontational (as his posting here bears out) and he somehow became an admin.  If you try enought times to get "a clear consensus to delete it" then one of those times you will. As far as you being the original contributor of triple metre: the content there only goes to show how outdated your knowledge of triple meter is.  If someone was reading that page, (especially since the modern lists of examples are now no more) they would assume that triple meter died with The Beatles.  But hey, at least you are familiar with all the examples there.  So, I can honestly say that you don't care about the topic (triple meter in the 1990s and 2000s).  Well, gotta go now... the CIA, NSA, FBI, ATF and the Secret Service are here to take my old version of the page that may be violating GFDL. --Hraefen 18:38, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * WP:NPA applies. Just zis Guy you know? 22:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

List of American Footballers Playing Abroad
Sorry for getting back to you so late on this! I gotta say, though, I think of myself more as a maintainer than a creator. I'm happy to keep pages up to date, but actually starting something from scratch seems... I dunno, daunting to me. But if you or someone else made the list, I'd be more than happy to keep it updated. Sorry I'm so lazy. :) It's a good idea though.  --Loudsox 21:01, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

 * If and when you do create such a list (good luck at the AfD that would arrive!) you might find these categories helpful: &   Mathmo Talk 16:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

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Hi. I'm Beth, known on Wikipedia as Learnportuguese. I am very interested in the Portuguese language and the Portuguese-speaking world. The whole concept of saudade is fascinating. If you want, chek out my user page and talk page and put a watch on both. I have very interesting discussions there. You are very welcome to contribute. :-) learnportuguese (talk) 16:22, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

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