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Farm Boy

Farm Boy Inc. is a Canadian specialty food retailer operating in the province of Ontario. The company is based in Ottawa, Ontario. Since 2018, the company is majority owned by the Sobeys grocery chain's parent company, Empire Company Ltd.

The retailer markets itself as selling fresh produce and food products, emphasizing their branding on farm-to-table. Its current slogan can be found under the Farm Boy sign on its stores, "It's All About The Food." The stores are smaller than large supermarket chain locations and are usually located on major streets with room for large parking lots for automobile access. However, they are also conveniently located in malls and urban areas with little parking that caters to downtown pedestrians. The company has its own private label, Farm Boy, on its packaged food.

History
On December 2, 1981, Collette and Jean-Louis Bellemare opened the first Farm Boy on Cumberland Street in Cornwall, Ontario. At that time, the modest 300 sq. ft. store sold only produce. The original store was moved in 1984 by Jean-Louis and his brother Normand Bellemare. The move to their 5,000 sq. ft. (460 m2) Sydney Street location allowed them to expand their products beyond produce with dairy, deli, cheese, and meat product lines. An in-store bakery and bulk food were later added.

Expansion
By 1992, the success of Farm Boy allowed the family to expand the business into Ottawa. Beginning on Centrum Boulevard in Orleans, the company expanded in Ottawa with eight additional stores by 2007. Store openings included Nepean on Merivale Road (1996), Hillside Plaza on Montreal Road (1997), Kanata (1997), Blossom Park (2003), and a second Orleans location (2004). The Ottawa expansion continued with new stores in Barrhaven (2006), Blue Heron Mall on Bank Street (2006), and the Kanata Signature Centre (2007). Ottawa continued gaining Farm Boy locations at Britannia Plaza (2011), Stittsville (2011), Place d'Orleans (2012), which was the first store to offer an in-store eating area.

In the fall of 2003, the Bellemares created a board of directors to oversee the company's overall direction and appointed Jeff York as the new President of Farm Boy in 2009. In 2012, Normand and Daniel Bellemare stepped down as the Boston-based investment group Berkshire Partners invested in the company.

In 2012, Farm Boy expanded to Kingston, Ontario. In 2014, Farm Boy expanded to London, Ontario. Citing success in its first London location at Wellington Road just north of Bradley Ave, the company announced two more locations would open in the spring of 2015. The first is located near CF Masonville Place in the city's north end, and the region's largest store is located at Wonderland and Beaverbrook, just west of Western University. The Wonderland and Beaverbrook location also has the company's regional offices. In the summer of 2015, Farm Boy furthered its expansion with its first location in Kitchener and Whitby. In the summer of 2016, another store was opened in the Westboro neighbourhood of Ottawa. This store was meant as an experiment for the company to have a more central location with a greater focus on in-store dining with a larger eating area and "Farm Boy Kitchen" prepared food area. In July 2017, it was announced that Farm Boy would be taking over part of the former food court location at CF Rideau Centre in downtown Ottawa, which opened mid-December 2017. On March 1, 2018， Farm Boy opened their first store in Toronto, in the district of Etobicoke at Alderwood Plaza. On March 22, 2018, the company opened their 26th location in Hamilton at Harvard Square Plaza.

Sale of the company
On September 24, 2018, Empire Company Limited, parent of the Sobeys chain of supermarkets, announced that it had signed an agreement to purchase Farm Boy from Berkshire Partners and Farm Boy's management shareholders in a deal worth CA$800 million. Regulatory approval was required for the purchase.

Farm Boy founder Jean-Louis Bellemare, his co-CEO Jeff York and other members of the senior executives will stay on and reinvest to own a 12% share in the new company, which will operate as a separate entity. The new ownership will allow Farm Boy to continue with aggressive expansion plans into south-western Ontario, and in particular the Toronto region. The business was expected to double over the next five years.

Empire had no intention of integrating Farm Boy into their major chains. Michael Medline, President and CEO of Empire Company Limited, assured consumers that they will continue to get the shopping experience that defines Farm Boy. On Twitter, he made this comment in reply to many who had expressed concern: "I can assure you that we will not screw this up." Medline also told analysts in a conference call, "We do not want to ruin the magic of Farm Boy by trying to integrate them. We love what Farm Boy is doing; it has the best brand ... we want to see it grow ... We intend to enable the leadership team of Farm Boy to do what they do best: grow a highly successful retail format at double-digit rates". Farm Boy products will not be sold in Empire's other chains nor will Farm Boy stock their brands. Farm Boy products will be included in the Ocado-based e-commerce business expected to start in 2020 but as a separate entity from the other Empire chains.

Current
By September 2018, the chain had 26 stores and annual sales of CA$500 million. The Financial Post summarized the store's appeal as, "It’s known for its fresh products, pre-made food, smaller stores and private label products". The company announced that its focus for future expansion will be on both urban and suburban locations around Ontario.

Stores
As of March 2024, there are 48 Farm Boy locations.

 * Aurora
 * Barrie
 * Burlington
 * Brantford
 * Cambridge
 * Cornwall
 * Guelph
 * Hamilton
 * Kingston
 * Kitchener
 * London (3)
 * Newmarket
 * Oakville (2)
 * Oshawa
 * Ottawa (16)
 * Pickering
 * Richmond Hill
 * St. Catharines
 * Toronto (10)
 * Waterloo
 * Whitby

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Crisis On Infinite Earths

 * miniseries - Marv Wolfman, George Pérez, Jerry Ordway.
 * Crossover
 * DC Universe Event

Pre-Crisis

 * Multiverse: "The Flash of two worlds"
 * JLA "Crisis on Earth 2"
 * Wolfman, Len Wein, Dick Giordano
 * History of the DC Universe "Meanwhile..." columns

Crisis miniseries

 * Plot
 * Legends of the DC Universe: Crisis on Infinite Earths "Crisis 4.5"
 * History of the DC Universe

Post-Crisis

 * Explanation of post- and pre- terms
 * Immediate consequences
 * Short term consequences - The Man of Steel; Batman: Year One; Perez's Wonder Woman.
 * Later revisions and continuity problems - Hawkworld

DCU Continuity and later sequels

 * Characters remembering events of the minseries?
 * Grant Morisson's Animal Man
 * Zero Hour
 * "Crisis 4.5"
 * JLA 80 Page Giant #3 "The Century War II" - Moon Maiden
 * Kingdom; Morisson's proposed Hypertime Crisis.
 * Peter David's Supergirl
 * Power Girl - JSA and JSA Classified
 * Infinite Crisis

Continuing exploitation of Crisis miniseries

 * George Olshevsky's Crisis indexes
 * Crisis hardcover (-softcover); "Crisis 4.5" tie-in.
 * Wolfman's Crisis novelization.
 * Absolute Crisis

Overview
The series (usually referred to as simply Crisis) was highly successful from a marketing standpoint, generating renewed interest in the company's books, enticing readers with the clichéd -- but in this case accurate -- promise that "things will never be the same". The story itself was rooted firmly in the cliché of "superheroes battle to save the world", but its unprecedented scope and its great attention to both drama and detail satisfied most readers with its story. Along with Alan Moore's Watchmen and Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns, it contributed to the commercial and creative revitalization of DC Comics, which had been dominated in the market by Marvel Comics through the late 1970s and early 1980s.

Crisis also helped popularize the formula of the line-wide "crossover" comic book series (a concept first seen in Marvel Comics' Contest of Champions (1983) and Secret Wars (1984)). Since 1985, superhero publishers such as DC and Marvel have had frequent "summer crossover" series designed to tie many of their comic book titles together under a single storyline (and thus sell more comic books).

Origins
The title was originally conceived to be a celebration of DC's 50th anniversary; however, Marv Wolfman saw it as a chance to clean up DC's rather convoluted continuity (which was thought to have put many new readers off buying DC titles) that had built up over that time.

Wolfman came up with an idea which would reach across the entirety of the DC Universe and its 50 year history. First of all, he came up with the character of the Monitor who was initially a faceless character used in many of DC's titles over the course of a year. The Monitor supplied DC's villains with equipment in order to test its heroes for the Crisis ahead. As a result, the character was seen to be a villain himself and his real reasons were not revealed to the reader until Crisis #1.

Plot summary
The story introduced readers to two near-omnipotent beings, the good Monitor and the evil Anti-Monitor. The Monitor had made cameo appearances in various DC comic book series for two years preceding the publication of the series and at first appeared to be a new supervillain, but with the onset of the Crisis, he was revealed to be working on a desperate plan to save the entire Multiverse from destruction at the hands of the Anti-Monitor. The Crisis series highlighted the efforts of DC Comics' superheroes to stop the Anti-Monitor's plan. Under the initial guidance of the Monitor, a select group of heroes was assigned to protect massive "tuning forks" designed to hold off the antimatter that had already annihilated untold numbers of alternate Earths. Eventually the conflict grew, and nearly every DC hero became involved in the battle.

The Monitor was murdered, but his death released enough energy to save the last five parallel Earths (the homes of the known DC Universe) long enough for the heroes to lead an assault on the Anti-Monitor. The villain retreated, but at the cost of Supergirl's life. This lull in the war provided some breathing room for the heroes, but the various supervillains joined forces under Brainiac and Lex Luthor to attempt the conquest of Earth, while the second Flash died stopping the Anti-Monitor's backup scheme of destruction. The Spectre halted the hero/villain conflict, warning that the Anti-Monitor was traveling to the beginning of time to prevent the Multiverse's creation. Heroes and villains joined forces in response with the heroes traveling to stop the Anti-Monitor, and the villains traveling to the planet Oa in antiquity to prevent the renegade scientist Krona from performing a historic experiment that would have allowed the Anti-Monitor to succeed in his efforts.

The villains failed, and Krona proceeded with his experiment, while the heroes supported the Spectre, whose battle with the Anti-Monitor created an energy overload that literally shattered space and time. With that, a single universe was created and all the superheroes returned to a present-day reality where the various elements of the five Earths were fused into one. The Anti-Monitor attacked one last time, but fell to a carefully planned counter-attack with some unexpected last-second help from the New Gods' adversary, Darkseid.

Post-Crisis
Characters and other elements established before Crisis (especially those eliminated by it) are considered "Pre-Crisis" and revised ones are considered "Post-Crisis".

Crisis was used by DC as an opportunity to wipe much of its slate clean and make major changes to many of their major revenue-generating comic book series. Frank Miller's revamp of Batman with Batman: Year One, George Pérez's relaunching of Wonder Woman, and John Byrne's reboot of Superman (see The Man of Steel) all took place shortly following Crisis on Infinite Earths, and changed substantial elements of the characters' backstories.

Several other titles which were not significantly retconned were taken in very different directions following Crisis. The Flash was relaunched starring a younger main character, the previous Flash's sidekick, Kid Flash a.k.a. Wally West. The Justice League of America title was cancelled, to be replaced by a new series entitled simply Justice League, featuring a new cast, many of them drawn from what had been different universes in DC's pre-Crisis multiverse. While some of these revamps of classic superheroes were less successful than others, their new beginnings can generally be attributed to the success of Crisis on Infinite Earths.

In the post-Crisis timeline, an epic "Crisis" still occurred in which numerous heroes opposed the Anti-Monitor's attempts to destroy the (singular) universe. While the Flash still died, Supergirl did not, as she had "never existed".

The majority of DC Universe characters are unaware the Crisis occurred. Although the characters who were present at the epic battle at the dawn of time (Crisis on Infinite Earths #10, "Death at the Dawn of Time") were initially treated as exceptions, this idea did not stick. There have been occasional references to the event. A 2002 storyline in the Supergirl comic book saw the original pre-Crisis Supergirl landing on post-Crisis Earth, for example, and established that the Spectre, being able to see across dimensions and timelines, is aware the Crisis occurred. In addition, Grant Morrison's run on Animal Man, heralded for its deconstruction of the concept of the comic book, initiated a "Second Crisis" in which characters such as the original Crime Syndicate of America from Earth-3 came back to life thanks to the Psycho Pirate, who remembered the original Crisis.

Deaths during Crisis
The following DC characters died during Crisis: Angle Man, Anti-Monitor, Aquagirl, Bug-Eyed Bandit, the second Clayface, all members of the Crime Syndicate of America, the first Dove of Hawk and Dove, Farmer Boy of Sergeant Rock's Easy Company, the second Flash, Green Arrow of Earth-2, Huntress of Earth-2, Icicle, Immortal Man, Kid Psycho, Kole, Lex Luthor of Earth-2, Lex Luthor of Earth-3, Lois Lane-Luthor of Earth-3, Lori Lemaris, Lord Volt of Earth-6, The Losers (Johnny Cloud, Gunner, Sarge, Captain Storm), Maaldor the Dark Lord, Mirror Master I, Monitor, Nighthawk, Prince Ra-Man, Princess Fern of Earth-6, Robin of Earth-2, the second Shaggy Man, Starman IV (Prince Gavyn), Sunburst, Supergirl of Earth-1, the Ten-Eyed Man, and Wonder Woman of Earth-1.

Gunner of the Losers showed up alive and well later in the comic Creature Commandos, a Hawkman issue revealed that Nighthawk is believed to have died under different circumstances, Wonder Woman was said not to have died but just been sent back down her own timeline, Lori Lemaris' death has been erased from continuity, the Crime Syndicate were later brought back into continuity in the comic JLA: Earth 2 (making their deaths in the Crisis out of continuity now), and it was revealed in James Robinson's Starman comics that Prince Gavyn's spirit actually survived and bonded with the super-hero Will Payton.

Criticisms
Many readers unfamiliar with the complicated continuity of the DC universe found the story confusing, as it was written especially for readers who were intimately familiar with the countless characters created in the pages of DC comics over the space of fifty years, including multiple versions of characters such as Superman and Wonder Woman.

The changes made in the wake of Crisis were not ushered in consistently. The series itself was published over the course of a year with ongoing series continuing at the same time, and several months of stories set in the "old" continuity continued to be published following its last issue. Furthermore, revamped or relaunched versions of series did not debut at the same time, and DC continued to feature the "old" versions of characters until new versions were launched, sometimes a year or more later. The character of Hawkman was one of the most problematic, as a new version did not appear until 1989; this raised the question as to who this "Hawkman" character was who had been running around with the Post-Crisis heroes since 1986. Similar problems faced the Legion of Super-Heroes, which had been affected by the removal of Superboy from DC continuity, and successive attempts to "repair" it had met with mixed results. In 1994, DC produced a mini-series titled Zero Hour, which attempted to resolve these problems by again rebooting the DCU, but this time with fewer wholesale revisions. Two major female characters, Donna Troy and Power Girl also had their place in the DC Universe become problematical.

Many fans of characters that were eliminated or dramatically affected by Crisis were unhappy with these changes. They argued that the company's five decades of publishing were a rich foundation upon which to build, and complained that the post-Crisis universe was one with which they had no connection. The complete erasure of Superman's cousin Supergirl was particularly controversial, with fans complaining that it rendered her heroic self-sacrifice in Crisis meaningless. (The fact that the Flash's heroic self-sacrifice was remembered by DC characters as almost martyrdom made her treatment seem even less respectful by comparison.) An irregular variety of similar replacement characters named Supergirl were introduced to mixed reactions. DC relented in 2004 and introduced a Supergirl who closely matched the pre-Crisis Kara Zor-El of Krypton.

Parody
Crisis (along with other crossovers and "event" comics of the period) was parodied by Simpsons Comics' Radioactive Man series: Radioactive Man #679 (Sept 1994), entitled "Who Washes The Washmen's Infinite Secrets Of Legendary Crossover Knight Wars?" by Steve Vance.

Crisis was also parodied in Marvel Comics' Mighty Mouse comic book in 1991. Issues #4 and 5, titled "Mices on Infinite Earths" had Mighty Mouse meeting Mighty Mousette and helping the Minatour and Harebinger fight the evil and powerful Anti-Minatour. Issue #4 has a cover by George Pérez that parodies Crisis #7, and Perez also drew the cover of issue #5, which parodies Crisis #12.

Crisis was again parodied in MAD Magazine issue #448, with the review of the fictional "Infinite Secret Crisis on All Earthly Worlds".

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Willey, Warwickshire

Willey is a rural village and civil parish in the English county of Warwickshire. The parish had a population of 148 as of the 2021 census.

Willey is the only village in Warwickshire to have a name likely of pre-Christian origin. The name is thought to derive from the Old English weoh which means "temple or holy place," which may therefore mean the village was the site of such a temple or shrine.

Administratively, Willey forms part of the borough of Rugby; geographically it is about six miles (10 km) north of Rugby, just west of the A5 road (Watling Street) that marks the county boundary with Leicestershire. Just to the east of the village are the remains of the dismantled Rugby to Leicester railway line.

The village church of St Leonard in Willey is Grade II* listed.

The village pub in Willey was called the "Sarah Mansfield"; it gained that name in the 1970s, when the then licensee named it in memory of his grandmother. The pub had previously named "The Plough". In 2020 it was bought by Adam Taylor, husband of Carly Taylor, the owner of the famous Crooked House pub in Staffordshire. In September 2020, the new owners internally gutted the pub before any planning applications could be made, resulting in an order to stop by Rugby Borough Council. The pub has not reopened.

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Talk:Muhammad Ismail Agha

Serious NPOV Issues
The original article was non-neutral about conditions in Guantanemo, and also implied that the youngster was arrested by the Americans. This was at variance with the reference to the National Review article:

"Muhammad Ismail Agha, aged 15, is back with his family in Afghanistan after two months' imprisonment at Bagram airbase north of Kabul, followed by a year in the U.S. holding facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Human-rights groups have criticized the detention of minors like Ismail, but the lad seems to have profited from his time at Gitmo. He lived with two other Afghan boys in a house with several rooms. Each day the boys were taught English, Pashto, and basic math by Afghan-American teachers. Dietary and religious preferences were scrupulously observed. 'For two or three days I was confused,' Ismail testified, 'but later the Americans were so nice with me. They were giving me good food with fruit and water for ablutions before prayer.' Added the boy's father: 'My son got an education in America.'" Joaquin Murietta 17:52, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Image of Ismail Agha
The article used a non-free image of Ismail Agha, for a decade or so. Recently a contributor removed that image, on the grounds that guidelines on the use of non-free images bars them from being used in infoboxes. Since their concern was over its placement, I moved it to another section. See. Geo Swan (talk) 12:18, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Geo Swan as it was deleted under F5 you should make your request at Requests for undeletion KylieTastic (talk) 12:56, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, deleting administrator has not been online since July 17. Well-meaning contributors regularly remove images, for all kinds of reasons.  When, as in this case, their justification for removal is not one that would bar using the image, merely a technicality, I think requesting restoration from the deleting administrator is the responsible choice.  If the contributor who removed the image actually thought they could make a case that the image should not be used here, under any conditions, I think they should have said so, in the first place.  Geo Swan (talk) 21:02, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Deleting administrator did restore the image, and, if I understood them, encouraged the contributor who excised it to consider explaining their reasoning further.
 * Original exciser merely excised the image a second time. I've restored it.
 * Note, recent edits to the article make Ismail Agha's age more of a concern. For Afghan youths, like Agha, and Mohammed Jawad, DoD spin-doctors routinely claimed that the ages recorded in their medical files were based on "bone scans".  Mohammed Jawad, who was charged with a war crime, had his age recorded as 17.  However, hi medical records showed that he was barely five feet tall, when captured.  Like all Afghans, he has no birth certificate.  His family says he was born after a battle, in 1991, which would have made him just 12, when captured.  There are photos of Jawad, after his release, towering over his relatives.  It seemed to me that this confirmed his family's account of his age was more accurate, as he hadn't finished his puberty growth spurt.
 * So, no, I do not accept that a verbal description that photos of him appear to show he was still a youth, are sufficient, given DoD spin-doctor's misleading claims of accurate age estimates, using bone-scans. Geo Swan (talk) 11:47, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Another contributor excised the image, with edit summary "Please discuss and reach consensus first". Closing administrator said: "Except Geo Swan made a case justifying the use of the image. This is not a straight-forward situation of it being a replaceable non-free image; the context of which it is used in the article matters here." and: "And how does one determine consensus? By discussion, which you've taken no interest in facilitating. WP:FFD is there, but I don't see your initiative. It is the next reasonable step."  I offered my best advice to the first contributor to excise the image, here. I said it was the advice I would have offered him or her if we were best friends.  Sadly, that contributor seems unwilling to accept that just because they say they have an opinion, other people are not bound to accept that opinion, if they can't make the effort to explain themselves.  Geo Swan (talk) 19:14, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * In this edit a contributor excised the image again, calling my reversion a "mass revision".
 * I don't know  what a "mass revision" is.
 * I think I know that a "mass reversion" would be -- making the same reversion across a relatively large number of articles -- ie something I didn't do.
 * I think the advice of the closing administrator was that since I had offered an explanation as to why I thought the image measured up to our rules, it was up to those saying it didn't to explain themselves.  Geo Swan (talk) 19:50, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * There was no "closing" administrator. NFC policy requires a valid use rationale, not a hand-waving "explanation". The claim that the 2004 image " allows reader to form their own opinion" about whether the article subject was born in 1988 or 1989 falls flat, and in any event has nothing to do with the relevant NFCC criteria. Per NFCCE, since there is no valid rationale, the image is subject to immediate removal. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.   (talk) 11:43, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Please comply with our policies, and guidelines. In particular, there are guidelines that make recommendations as to how to respond to earlier comments, so later readers can figure out who is responding to what.  As a courtesy to later readers could you comply with these guidelines?  I changed the indentation of the comment immediately above, but it would be much better if you used the correct indentation.  You first contributed over a decade ago, so you should have become familiar with the indentation conventions well over nine years ago.
 * Further, I gave you the same advice about the appearance of a bad attitude suggested by your antagonistic signature, and your apparent unwillingness to consider that other contributors can disagree with you, and still be operating from a position of good faith. You gave such a strong appearance of challenging closing administrator 's motives that he or she suggested you take your concern to ANI.  Your signtature says you THINK you have been treated him like shit.  Your comment style suggests you think it is therefore okay for you to pre-emptively treat everyone who disagrees with you like shit.
 * You refer to WP:NFCCE. Why?  It does say an image without a "valid non-free use rationale" can be deleted.  But, as Explicit tried to explain to you, it falls to you to explain why you think the rationale I offered isn't valid.  For all we know, Explicit may privately agree with you, but feel that the wikipedia requires you to actually measure up, and offer an explicit rebuttal of the rationale I offered.
 * You haven't done so. At University I had some friends who were super Math wonks.  They took some hard Pure Math courses, where they learned about difficult formal proofs of Pure Math theorms.  Pure Math theory invaded their non-course arguments.  They would name genuine Pure Math theorms in their non-course arguments.  And they would use made up theorms, to mock one another.  Their favorite made up theorm was "Proof by Assertion".  When they thought someone was trying to claim some counter-argument was correct, without going to the work of demonstrating it was correct, they would point their fingers, and mockingly trumpet "Proof by Assertion"!
 * If my friends were here they would point their fingers at you, and mockingly trumpet "Proof by Assertion"! Geo Swan (talk) 23:42, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The purported use rationale does not assert anything resembling a reason for use under NFCC requirements. You don't argue that it does, but that we should make an exception to NFCC policy. That's not allowed. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.   (talk) 04:57, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * excised the image, again, with the edit summary "as before, facially invalid use rationale".
 * I can't imagine what a "facially invalid use rationale" would be.
 * I can imagine what a "farcially invalid use rationale" would mean.  I am going to assume this is what HB meant.
 * HB is entitled to hold the opinion that the fair use rationale offered is not valid. However, no one, not even Jimbo Wales, is entitled to act as if their opinion is so super important that it should be accepted without explanation.  At User talk:Explicit the closing administrator said https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Explicit&diff=792417 428&oldid=792373755  "Except Geo Swan made a case justifying the use of the image... I'd rather not waste the community's time by having this file being sent to WP:DRV, which would only result in it being listed at WP:FFD, the latter of which is the approach you should have taken upon the restoration of the image." Here is your frankly inflammatory reply. Closing admin followed up with explicitly suggesting your "next reasonable step" is to take this to WP:FFD.
 * I offered you my best advice, the advice I would offer you if we were best friends, on your talk page, on July 26th. Don't you use inflammatory language in your signature?  Doesn't your general pattern of comments suggest you routinely level accusations against those who disagree with you, rather than good faith explanations?  The closing administrator is not a crony of mine.  I have no prior association with them.  They gave you clear suggestions, which you chose to respond to with insults, and which you are clearly ignoring here.  Geo Swan (talk) 10:50, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Chiming in with my unasked for opinion, which never ends badly. The rationale advanced for it's use appears to be that it shows Agha is youngish in 2004, which means he was even more youngish in 2002.  This could be important in light of the (alleged) attempts by the U.S. to obfuscate regarding his age (locking up minors doesn't play well).
 * However, I don't see a particularly young boy when I see that image - I'd have guessed he was significantly over 15. And there's a reasonable amount of clarity about his age - DoD documents claim he was born in 1988, journalists (presumably via family) indicate he was 15 in Feb 2004, so it's not really a big deal.  I don't see that this creates a pressing need to use a non-free image of him.  I'm not a non-free expert though, so there may well be another reason for keeping it.
 * Incidentally, assuming that there's a small amount of concern regarding my removal of "Believed to be age 12-13 (estimated)" from the Lead, I'd note that (a) it wasn't in the body, (b) the cite that apparently supported it didn't, and (c) I've not seen any support for 13. I have noticed that the Guardian is raining on my OR parade though by saying he was 14 at the 2004 interview, so I might have to generalise his birthyear if I can't find more cites for 15 years old.  Bromley86 (talk) 03:48, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Little OR on the DoB
Aged 15 - on 11 Feb 2004. Aged 13 - When taken 14m previously in early Dec 2002.

So, birthday is between 1 Dec - 11 Feb. Perhaps he's one of the many 1st Jan birthdays in Afghanistan? That would make his birthday 01/01/1989. Not a million miles off the DoD year of 1988. And that circle is easy to square if he was born <6m prior to 01/01/1989 and he (or his family) chose 01/01/1989 as the nearest 1st Jan birthday.

Not suitable for inclusion in the article, but it might help editors understand the various age claims. Bromley86 (talk) 22:59, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Actually, thinking about it, we can use the ages given in those sources to generate the Dec 1988 - Feb 1989 range, we just can't narrow it further than that. Bromley86 (talk) 23:04, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Looks like I'm going to have to use remote footnotes to do the trick. Mentioning it here in case another editor is wondering what's up with the unusual referencing. Bromley86 (talk) 00:11, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

 * Could you please use fuller sentences in your comments? I am not sure what you mean here.

 * As above, Afghans don't have birth certificates, and most Afghans don't know when they were born.

 * As above, DoD spokesmen claimed the age estimates they recorded for Afghan youths were based on "bone scans". These claims are dubious.  They certainly aren't accurate to the level of "between 1 Dec - 11 Feb" -- or anywhere close.

 * DoD routinely over-estimated the age of the youths in Guantanamo. According to the first official list of captive's names, published on 2006-05-15, as many as 22 of the captives were minors.  But DoD spokesmen would later try to claim that they had only held 4 or 8 youths.  One senior DoD spokesmen said the camp only held 3 youths, who were held separately, and provided with a school teacher.  This senior DoD spokesman said that Omar Khadr was one of the youths held separately, and provided with a school teacher.  Khadr wasn't, but Agha was.  Note: Holding youths with adult captives, and not providing a school teacher for them, was a violation of the Geneva Conventions -- a war crime.  It is one of the reasons to be skeptical of DoD claims.  Note: International standards place the age-cutoff for who gets special treatment, due to their age, at 18.  The DoD arbitrarily decided to use 16 as their cutoff -- without, so far as I am aware, ever providing an explanation.  Geo Swan (talk) 12:03, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Hi Geo. "Could you please use fuller sentences in your comments? I am not sure what you mean here."  I assume this is the key point.  For the record, I tend to accept government statements as reliable, at least as statements of what they claim.  Doubly-so if leaked.  If something is a big deal, and RS are all over it, then I'd include that too.
 * In this particular case, my guesstimate has nothing to do with the DoD, and everything to do with what RS have reported (admittedly, with a huge degree of room for error, either accidental or deliberate (presumably on his part)). I added a couple of "aged"s above, in case that helps others.
 * Two reporters are present at the same interview (date unknown, but on or prior to 11 Feb, probably 7 Feb, IIRC). One records his age then (15), the other his age on capture (13).  I know, these are subject to the vagaries of memory, deliberate bullshit, or just a lack of interest leading to a roughly-accurate figure being given.  And then there's the (strong) possibility that they likely don't know their actual date.
 * Ignoring that, we know he was 15 on 11 Feb 2004, and 13 in December 2002. So his birthday has to fall twice within that period, which means it's Dec-Feb.  He's 15 in Feb 2004, so it was Dec 88 to Feb 89.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bromley86 (talk • contribs) 13:37, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Damn, you put 2 journos in the same room, and they can't even report consistently on someone's claimed age! The guardian claims he was 14 on interview, so that shoots down my OR.  I've amended to say he was born in 1988-1989.  Bromley86 (talk) 04:11, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I continue to see his age as unknowable.
 * List of Individuals Detained by the Department of Defense at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba from January 2002 through May 15, 2006 says he was born in 1984. This would make him 20 years old in that photo.
 * I first started covering these kids early in my wikipedia career -- before the DoD was forced to publish any information about the captives. I remember when I first read the claims he became a Taliban member.  Back then the DoD claimed he was 17.  That would mean he had aged several years in just four months.  That is clearly impossible.
 * Did you notice that his height and weight records said he weighed just 122 pounds, when he arrived? Yes, there are adult men who weigh 122 pounds, or even less.  Note also that his records said he refused to be weighed, on several occasion...  All of those occasions when his records say he refused to be weighed?  They are all months after he had been repatriated to Afghanistan.  Would you believe he is not the only captive to have anomalous weight records, that date to after they were transferred?  There are dozens.  About half of them record actual weights, when the men had already been repatriated.  All of this is a reason to distrust those bone-scans.  Geo Swan (talk) 02:19, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

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Merge (old)
If we do merge the articles, the Ten Years' War spelling should be used as that is more correct grammatically. Also, I think such a merge should preserve all facts found in each entry. In any case, I will not support merging if the authors of the entries disagree. This wouldn't be too bad as I think both versions have their strengths. The "Ten Years' War" version is my favorite because it contains only the more interesting information about the war. --Primetime 22:47, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Merge even if the authors diagree. That's what editors are for. Use whichever main article whose title best agrees with Wiki naming (should Wiki names have apostrophes?) Thatcher131 08:36, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

 * To answer your question, every encyclopedia on earth in English uses them in titles. (Although not in the preceding citations, Encyclopedia Americana does it too.) --Primetime 08:52, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I didn't mean to question WP naming policy, I was trying to ask what it was regarding these two titles. Thatcher131 21:00, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

merge
merge merge merge

Then, with a name decided upon, I can make a category of the same, agreed-upon name and collect all the material about this war into the category. Thanks Hmains 00:17, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey! All right! Thanks Hmains! Looks great. Is that everything? Can I go ahead and nominate the other article for speedy deletion?--Primetime 07:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

 * not delete, but re-redirect (as I have done) so that users who type in the name of the other article will get this article. Thanks --Hmains 18:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Merge
This article will never be merged, it looks like. Some guy named Darwinek added a template on January 29 writing "template" in the edit summary, then left without writing anything else. I think the proposal is making editors reluctant to improve the article for fear of having their contributions lost. Thus, I will remove it. If someone actually intends to try to merge the two, let me know.--Primetime 06:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

WP:MilHist Assessment
Thus far, this article is of fair length, and contains a seemingly thorough treatment of the details. It includes not only elements of the war itself, but the background and aftermath as well. But it doesn't have any pictures nor an infobox. I think the infobox, and the general overall expansion of the article would help it become B-class. LordAmeth 11:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

neutrality tag???
since nobody has disputed the neutrality on this page since it was installed, i will remove the tag. Sundar1 (talk) 11:56, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Citation 10 on Conclusion of War
In the first paragraph on the Conclusion of the War, the source does not fully cover the last sentence in the paragraph.

 * The US sold the latest weapons to Spain, but not to the Cuban rebels.

I cannot find anything close to this sentence in the source it cites (#10).

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New section: Causes
The introduction to the article is top-heavy, and goes far beyond introducing the topic. It contains a number of details that I feel should be their own section that details the events that led to the war. Anyone? Iasonaki (talk) 11:43, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

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The article starts with a nameless Sultan and ends with a Sultan who seems to be a village: in "capture of prominent leaders and warriors, such as Dato Maharaja Lela, Sultan Abdullah and Ngah Ibrahim", "Sultan Abdullah" links to an article about a village. Come on, Malaisia is full people, somebody must be able to do better than that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.253.64.90 (talk) 11:06, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

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Foldamer

In chemistry, a foldamer is a discrete chain molecule (oligomer) that folds into a conformationally ordered state in solution. They are artificial molecules that mimic the ability of proteins, nucleic acids, and polysaccharides to fold into well-defined conformations, such as α-helices and β-sheets. The structure of a foldamer is stabilized by noncovalent interactions between nonadjacent monomers. Foldamers are studied with the main goal of designing large molecules with predictable structures. The study of foldamers is related to the themes of molecular self-assembly, molecular recognition, and host–guest chemistry.

Design

Foldamers can vary in size, but they are defined by the presence of noncovalent, nonadjacent interactions. This definition excludes molecules like poly(isocyanates) (commonly known as polyurethane) and poly(prolines) as they fold into helices reliably due to adjacent covalent interactions. Foldamers have a dynamic folding reaction (unfolded → folded), in which large macroscopic folding is caused by solvophobic effects (hydrophobic collapse), while the final energy state of the folded foldamer is due to the noncovalent interactions. These interactions work cooperatively to form the most stable tertiary structure, as the completely folded and unfolded states are more stable than any partially folded state.

Prediction of folding
The structure of a foldamer can often be predicted from its primary sequence. This process involves dynamic simulations of the folding equilibria at the atomic level under various conditions. This type of analysis may be applied to small proteins as well; however, as of 2024, computational technology is unable to simulate all but the shortest of sequences.

The folding pathway of a foldamer can be determined by measuring the variation from the experimentally-determined favored structure under different thermodynamic and kinetic conditions. The change in structure is measured by calculating the root mean square deviation from the backbone atomic position of the favored structure. The structure of the foldamer under different conditions can be determined computationally and then verified experimentally. Changes in the temperature, solvent viscosity, pressure, pH, and salt concentration can all yield valuable information about the structure of the foldamer. Measuring the kinetics of folding as well as folding equilibria allow one to observe the effects of these different conditions on the foldamer structure.

Solvents often influence folding. For example, a folding pathway involving hydrophobic collapse would fold differently in a nonpolar solvent. This difference is due to the fact that different solvents stabilize different intermediates of the folding pathway as well as different final foldamer structures based on intermolecular noncovalent interactions.

Noncovalent interactions
Noncovalent intermolecular interactions, albeit individually small, collectively alter chemical reactions in major ways. Listed below are common intermolecular forces that chemists have used to design foldamers.

 * Hydrogen bonding (especially with peptide bonds)
 * Pi stacking
 * Solvophobic effects, which lead to hydrophobic collapse
 * Van der Waals forces
 * Electrostatic attraction

Common designs
Foldamers are classified into three different categories: peptidomimetic foldamers, nucleotidomimetic foldamers, and abiotic foldamers. Peptidomimetic foldamers are synthetic molecules that mimic the structure of proteins, while nucleotidomimetic foldamers are based on the interactions in nucleic acids. Abiotic foldamers are stabilized by aromatic and charge-transfer interactions which are not generally found in nature. The three designs described below deviate from Moore's strict definition of a foldamer, which excludes helical foldamers.

Peptidomimetic
Peptidomimetic foldamers often break the previously mentioned definition of foldamers as they often adopt helical structures. They represent a major landmark of foldamer research due to their design and capabilities. The largest groups of peptidomimetic consist of β-peptides, γ-peptides and δ-peptides, and the possible monomeric combinations. The amino acids of these peptides only differ by one (β), two (γ), or three (δ) methylene carbons, yet the structural changes were profound. These peptide sequences are highly studied as sequence control leads to reliable folding prediction. Additionally, with multiple methylene carbons between the carboxyl and amino termini of the flanking peptide bonds, varying R-group side chains can be designed. One example of the novelty of β-peptides can be seen in the findings of Reiser and coworkers. Using a heteroligopeptide consisting of α-amino acids and cis-β-aminocyclopropanecarboxulic acids (cis-β-ACCs), they found the formation of helical sequences in oligomers as short as seven residues and defined conformation in five residues, a quality unique to peptides containing cyclic β-amino acids.

Nucleotidomimetic
Nucleotidomimetics do not generally qualify as foldamers. Most are designed to mimic single DNA bases, nucleosides, or nucleotides in order to nonspecifically target DNA. These have several different medicinal uses including anti-cancer, anti-viral, and anti-fungal applications.

Abiotic
Abiotic foldamers are again organic molecules designed to exhibit dynamic folding. They exploit a few known key intermolecular interactions, as optimized by their design. One example is oligopyrroles that organize upon binding anions like chloride through hydrogen bonding (see figure). Folding is induced in the presence of an anion: the polypyrrole groups have little conformational restriction otherwise.

Other examples

 * m-Phenylene ethynylene oligomers are driven to fold into a helical conformation by solvophobic forces and aromatic stacking interactions.
 * β-peptides are composed of amino acids containing an additional unit between the amine and carboxylic acid.  They are more stable to enzymatic degradation and have been demonstrated to have antimicrobial activity.
 * Peptoids are N-substituted polyglycines that utilize steric interactions to fold into polyproline type-I-like helical structures.
 * Aedamers that fold in aqueous solutions driven by hydrophobic and aromatic stacking interactions.
 * Aromatic oligoamide foldamers. These examples are some of the largest and best structurally characterized foldamers.
 * Arylamide foldamers, such as brilacidin.

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Somali Leaders of the Ogaden War in 1977
This is the second time I correct this website. There is NO ONE named Colonel Ahmed Haji Hassan in 1977. No such name served Somali Army as a colonel or or as a commanding officer in 1977 in all of Ogaden War Fronts. WE cannot even find a captain of the same name. PLEASE STOP ABUSING THIS HISTORY.

PLEASE do not add fictitious figures and titles.

Let us not insert alternative facts or fake news here. Please note that Somali officers in 1977 are well documented in many articles and books. Please do NOT change this list

Comment by IP
Please stop including the unknown or undocumented. There is no Colonel Hassan Cowl among the leaders of the 1977 Ogaden Campaign. PLEASE STOP REMOVING Abduulahi Ahmed Yussuf. PLEASE REFRAIN from adding Hassan Cowl. You dont help preserve history by doing that. DONT DO THAT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:146:C900:8188:3CC3:5A38:E43E:B00D (talk) 05:51, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
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WP:MilHist Assessment
A nice long article, with an infobox and a thorough and organized treatment of the subject. I like the flags in the infobox; they're a nice touch. The "Unknowns" under commanders seems odd - even if we don't know the names of the generals, I think it would be good to put the heads of state here; it's better than Unknown, and provides at least some continuity and understanding of events under a given person's rule. Otherwise, a fine article. Keep up the good work, and thank you in particular for giving such attention to what could otherwise be a rather obscure and esoteric subject. LordAmeth 17:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Size of Ethiopian army
At the start of the war the numbers of the Ethiopian army was 200,000 men. and a modern air force supplied by the US. All these facts are left out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.80.150.125 (talk • contribs)
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Number of USSR troops
34000 is exaggerated number and all the sources I checked indicates 1500 mixed military and diplomatic advisers,

biased article
the author of this version of the ogaden war is clearly bised in favor of Ethiopia. the suggestion that somalia choose to attack at that point in time becouse it felt ethiopean was weake is laughable. ethiopia had an army nearly four times larger than its somali counterpart and a more modern aircrafts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lee888 (talk • contribs) 15:40, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I removed one liner "Ethiopians committed a serious war crime" we needs reliable source for this I believe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.59.99.219 (talk) 20:06, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Size of the Ethiopean army
by the start of the ogaden war in 1977 the ethiopean army comprised of 200,000. by the end of the war this force was suplemented by 400,000 poorly armed militias to fight the insergents in eritrea and the ogaden. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Lee888 (talk • contribs).
 * Cite a reliable source for it, then. The data we have up now is based on a 1982 article in a respected journal. The source you added was from someone's web page (albeit better than a blog or random geocities page, but not as reliable as the source being used right now). The article states there were 44,000 in the military in 1974, with 41,000 in the Army, while it had grown to 75,000 in 1980, "supplemented by a militia of relatively full-time soldiers totalling 150,000, or ten divisions." If you want to include this number for militias in 1980, that's fine, but we'd have to include Somali militias as well. I doubt all of them were on the Ogaden front, as well, given that this was the time of the EPLF and ELF's largest amount of territory controlled before the time immediately preceding the fall of the Derg and also during the Red and White Terrors. — ዮም  |  (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 19:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Note: I've added more sources and gone in depth with all the numbers from a recent (2000) assessment. — ዮም  |  (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 22:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

well what evidence do you have to support your claim that my source is unreliable. i can cite the us library of congress country profiles on somalia, on whose report my refrence is based on word for word except for the number of the armed forces. also if you had read my refrence on the ogaden war you would of seen near the end a statemen form the makers of the site on.war.com statitng how they update their information yearly to make it is as accurate as possible. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lee888 (talk • contribs) 20:32, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

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Chinese Support
In the fact box, it was said that China supported the Somalis. I don't see anything that supports this claim. It looks like it's the US which supplied the Somalis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.217.91.213 (talk) 11:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

IIRC, China sent some small arms and artillery pieces, nothing significant. Their support was mostly diplomatic, i.e., denouncing Soviet social-imperialism, etc. Siad Barre then started using Maoist terminology and began incorporating it into his own state ideology.--Countakeshi (talk) 15:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Origins of the war
This is badly written and is mainly information contained in other parts of the article, except with more bias. Should it be removed?

Bob19191 (talk) 22:28, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

biased how, could you ilaborate more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lee888 (talk • contribs) 14:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Casualties
Article says 400 Cubans died? of 6000 or so deployed, yeah right, the fact of matter is the Cubans crushed the Somalis with little effort, and certainly did not lose this many killed, maybe killed and wounded put together (ie its common that for every dead you have 3-5 wounded so on). Somebody provide the factual numbers please.

Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.231.217.247 (talk) 01:34, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Your source can't be 'Yea right'. Those communists definitely were slaughtered. 92.2.168.236 (talk) 08:30, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Haud
Was the Haud "returned" to Ethiopia in 1948? The article on the Haud implies otherwise.Royalcourtier (talk) 03:52, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Lightning
Why is there no info at the immense speed of the Somali advance? It has been frequently been called a lightning offensive. AcidSnow (talk) 01:12, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * It was indeed a quick advance by the Somalian forces, AcidSnow. However, the martial retreat was slower; the Somali military was still occupying parts of southern Ethiopia when the ceasefire was signed. At any rate, the page should probably be moved back to "Ogaden War" since that is the WP:COMMONNAME. Middayexpress (talk) 17:20, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yah is the common name. AcidSnow (talk) 21:59, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, AcidSnow. Middayexpress (talk) 20:14, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

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Supported by
you have removed Egypt and Saudi Arabia from "supported by", saying that its WP:OR, can you describe? Because the source "Somali Piracy and Terrorism in the Horn of Africa" by Scarecrow Press meets WP:RS. Capitals00 (talk) 16:38, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
 * the source does not mention support but "attempt of support", i thought support of these countries is very questionable, which needs multiple sourcing for such claim.Somajeeste (talk) 14:22, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Effects of War
There seems to be a need for greater discussion had in the "Effects of the War" section on the role that the withdrawal of Soviet Union's aid from Somalia had on Siad Barre's governing legitimacy. Beyond the fact that allegiance was transferred to Ethiopia, there is no mention of the fact that the unifying project of Barre's scientific socialism was irreparably damaged by the rescinding of Soviet support -- a move exacerbated by the disaffection within the top échelon of military ranks NickFriedlich (talk) 05:35, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Edit war
, I protected the article in this ongoing dispute. and are both pretty inept at communicating. What I do know is that 40,000 Somalis killed is an absurdly high number, given this source, for instance. We need some experts here, experts who also know how to edit Wikipedia in a collaborative manner. Drmies (talk) 02:35, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Reading is obviously not your strong suit. It said up to 40,000 Joserchm (talk) 14:17, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Article is not written in a neutral POV
Some important points that need to be changed or added to the article to balance the current POV:

 * Somalia lost half of its Air-Force, but so did Ethiopia (24 out of an estimated 34/40 Aircraft), the casualty figures between the two aren't significantly different. Somalia also quickly replenished its Air Force with the acquisition of 30 Shenyang J-6s from China and Hawker Hunters from Britain.
 * Somalia lost one-third of its initial invasion force, but here again the figures between the two countries are not drastically different to single out Somalia in the lede. More importantly the Somali Armed Forces doubled in manpower during and after the war. The Ethiopian army also lost some of its most important divisions during the start of the invasion and Mengistu had to create an entire new militia as a result, which is why beyond a massive air-lift of arms, a significant force of Cuban and South Yemeni soldiers were also attached.
 * More emphasis needs to be put on the fact that Somalia lost as a result of a direct Soviet military intervention. The counter-operation was led by a Soviet general and Soviet officers. This was nothing like Angola.
 * The last of the regular units of the Somali Armed Forces did not withdraw from the Ogaden until 1981, which was a prerequisite of the US before it would supply the Somali Armed Forces.
 * The anger against Siad Barre was not as a result of the invasion of Ethiopia, but against his domestic repression. The Somali rebellions were led by some of the most accomplished officers of the war, who were completely in sync with the wider Somali national conscience to free the Ogaden. The lede now creates the impression that these movements were started as a result of the invasion and not human-rights violations, which is a disservice in my opinion.
 * There is no mention of Somalia in the aftermath bankrolling, training and providing passports to Meles Zenawi and Isaias Afwerki, leaders of the TPLF and the EPLF that fought in the Ethiopian civil war, and who both lived in Mogadishu. Somali support of these movements directly led to the collapse of the Ethiopian Empire, while Mengistu's support of anti-Siad Barre movements contributed to the collapse of his government.
 * The lede should clarify that the Soviet Union did not switch sides until Somalia expelled 3,000 Soviet personnel from the country. The vague 'disapproved' lacks context, and ignores that the Soviet Union continued to supply the Somali Armed Forces as it advanced across Ethiopia, while also supplying the latter.
 * There should be more info on the role of the US, China, Syria, Egypt, Iran, Romania, Israel and other countries during the war.

I'm compiling my sources for the above content, and will in the coming weeks create a more neutral-POV that takes into consideration the negative effects on both sides, be it material, manpower, political, or economic. --GoldenDragonHorn (talk) 15:39, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I dont see a POV in the article, Regarding your points:

a) Somalia lost half of its Air-Force- This is half true because Somalia indeed lost all its fighter aircraft, see the number of Mig-17 and Mig -21 lost according to Tereke and other Soviet sources. b) Somalia lost one-third of its initial invasion force - Could be since some sources consider Somalian losses as high as 20,000 killed. c) More emphasis needs to be put on the fact that Somalia lost as a result of a direct Soviet military intervention - Half true it was Soviet planing and Cuban direct intervention, the introduction of Cuban T-62 tanks and the use of artillery helped Ethiopia and allies defeat Somalis forces since early 1978. Regarding the last two points, agree with you the fact that Somalia expelled 3,000 Soviet personel as the main reason for the Soviet support on Ethiopia, regarding the role of other Cold War actors, I only saw Egyptian support on Somalia, so I added that last week.Mr.User200 (talk) 23:49, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Disruptive editing
- please stop your disruptive editing. Your edits do not satsify WP:V, because you refuse to cite sources in the article. Not only that, but according to you source the numbers came from 1976, a year before the war started. محرر البوق (talk) 16:27, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Soviet response to war
The opening of the article states, "Somalia's invasion of the region, precursor to the wider war, met with the Soviet Union's disapproval, leading the superpower to end its support of Somalia and support Ethiopia instead." According to Gebru Tareke's (2000, 654-6) article, "The Ethiopia-Somalia War of 1977 Revisited," cited in the sources, the Soviets continued to support both sides in the war, until Somalia's leadership expelled 1800 Soviet advisors. It was only then that massive Soviet aid, Soviet advisors, and Cuban troops decisively shifted the tide of the war. The sentence quoted above implies that the Soviets were bothered about violating another country's sovereign territory. But they weren't if it benefited their cause. Had Somalia won a decisive victory and emerged as the dominant power in the Horn, the Soviets would gladly have continued their support. At the same time, they would have continued to support the Marxist Derg regime in whatever rump territory of Ethiopia it continued to rule. 2603:6000:AB0B:3400:2164:4BF9:395C:759D (talk) 20:06, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

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A very interesting article; I never thought much about Pacific tribal wars before, outside of the Kingdom of Hawai'i... I wonder if there's any expansion that can be done here, and whether or not an infobox would serve purpose. LordAmeth 11:46, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

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I just rewrote a bunch under 1st and 2nd war, mostly adding references (and changing inaccurate info). Those sections can be expanded a lot just using those references. I'll come back to this, but it would be great if someone know actually *knows* something about this topic could take a crack at it!

I haven't even started on the 3rd war section yet.Grease Bandit 04:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

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Album cover of Mylène Farmer's album Anamorphosée source: www.amazon.com

Single cover to illustrate the article about the album Anamorphosée. Although the picture is subject to U.S. copyright it is also covered by the U.S. fair use laws because:

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Just your average Simpsons fan. Right now, I am working on fixing userboxes per the userbox migration. I mostly make small edits. But every once in a while, I make a major edit around this place we call Wikipedia. I also edit at Uncyclopedia as well. This userpage will forever be in progress. I have now been on Wikipedia for a year (joined October 13th, 2005).

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Fort Livingstone (Saskatchewan)

Fort Livingstone was founded as an outpost in North-West Territories, Canada. The outpost briefly served as the capital city for the North-West Territories government for the years of 1874 to 1876 until it moved to Battleford, Saskatchewan, and headquarters for the North-West Mounted Police for the same period, until they moved their headquarters to Fort Macleod, Alberta.

The site was designated a National Historic Site of Canada in 1923. It was also designated a provincial Protected Area in 1986.

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Merkel cell cancer
I've added back the Spanish link after discovering that there is no version of merkel cell cancer in a language other than english. We have a policy on external links at External links which discourages links to non-english sites and discussion groups; however, because of the rarity of the cancer and the need for accurate information and support, I think it's best to make an exception as the links definitely give a needed service to readers which cannot be met by the wikipedia article.

As for histopathology-india.net, I went on a campaign to remove 250 external links to it last week primarily because of how little information is given on its website. Also, a few links a day had been added to that site over the space of 7 months, all by IP addresses coming from India. That is extreme self-promotion to me (check out my talk page for more on that).

With the images you've added to the article, the only problem is that they all have the same caption. This makes it confusing as the caption is all the information I get when reading the image besides the longer image descriptions which you've given at the end. I think the caption and the image description should be combined so the caption gives all the image description. Also wikipedia requires very plain image descriptions to conform to its neutral point of view policy. So for the first image, I'd change it to something like: "bump on arm showing early progression of merkel cell cancer." and for the second one something like "this stage of merkel cell cancer may be mistaken for a benign cyst and so on. I don't know much about the cancer so correct me if I'm wrong ...

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 * See Help desk . I know you can't take them again, but could you upload a version without the URL? Credit is alright in the image description page but not the image itself. It's probably easiest to reply at the help desk to keep discussion in one centralised place. Graham 87 04:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

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Downlands Countryside Management Project

The Downlands Countryside Management Project established in 1988 is a partnership between six London and Surrey local authorities set up to manage an area of countryside of 130 km² across the south of Outer London.

The main aims are the management of the rare chalk downland within the area; the development of an extensive network of trails (including the London Loop); and the  improvements to signposting; rights of way; woodland and pond management.

The Project is supported by the boroughs of Sutton and Croydon; and by Surrey County Council; the City of London Corporation; the Surrey districts of Reigate and Banstead and Tandridge; and the Countryside Agency. An additional partner is Natural Britain.