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Talk:The Byrds

Dubious sentence
I have tagged the first part of the following sentence as dubious:

 * Although they only managed to attain the huge commercial success of contemporaries like the Beatles, the Beach Boys, and the Rolling Stones for a short period in the mid-1960s, the Byrds are today considered by critics to be nearly as influential as those bands.

With great respect for the Byrds, a look at The Byrds discography as compared to The Beach Boys discography, The Beatles discography, and The Rolling Stones discography reveals that the Byrds never attained the "huge commercial success of contemporaries like the Beatles, the Beach Boys, and the Rolling Stones". If this statement weren't sourced, I would simply get rid of it--but it is. Does anyone have any thoughts? Is this source typically deemed reliable? SunCrow (talk) 08:04, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Allmusic is deemed very reliable and Richie Unterbeger himself has written a number of books on the Byrds, the entire folk rock movement, and other 60s bands, such as the Beatles and Velvet Underground. So, yes, it's reliable.

 * The band really did achieve a comparable level of success to the Beatles, Stones and Beach Boys for roughly six months, from mid-1965 until about early 1966. Originally, I did specify those rough dates in the lede, but it was removed by another editor who rightly pointed out that Unterberger only said "in the mid-1960s".

 * In addition, some of your other changes to the lede either lack adequate rationales in the edit summary, are removing information that is supported by the inline refs, or is incorporating information that is probably too trivial for the lede (their #1 chart success, for example, although I could be swayed on that last point).

 * To that end, I have reverted many of your changes to the article lede that you have recently made. However, I have left the changes to the rest of the article and the infobox, because they seemed like beneficial edits to me. Please feel free to discuss any concerns you have with the article lede here, and hopefully we and other editors can come to some kind of consensus. Thanks. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 12:52, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

 * Kohoutek1138, thank you for the explanation regarding the Byrds' popularity vis-a-vis the other bands.

 * I just made some cleanup-type edits to the lede, which I hope will be unobjectionable. I propose three additional changes to the current version. First, the lede currently states that the band's sound was "immediately absorbed into the vocabulary of popular music." I do not know what this means, and I would remove it. Second, "Mr. Tambourine Man" and "Turn! Turn! Turn!" are the two most popular and notable songs released by the Byrds and should be mentioned in the lede. I would re-add the following sentence: "In 1965, the band scored number-one hits in the United States with "Mr. Tambourine Man" and "Turn! Turn! Turn!"." Third, the final paragraph of the lede contains material that is not lede-worthy and makes the lede unnecessarily long and cluttered. I would trim it down to the following: "McGuinn, Crosby, and Hillman performed a series of reunion concerts as the Byrds in 1989 and 1990, and also recorded four new Byrds' songs. In 1991, the Byrds were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, an occasion that saw the five original members performing together for the last time."

 * Thoughts? SunCrow (talk) 06:22, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

 * Hey SunCrow, I thought the majority of your most recent changes to the lede were fine and improved things. I have rejoined a sentence about Gram Parsons that you split into two: I think it works better from a syntaxical point of view as one sentence. I also dropped Gene and Michael's last names again because I don't think they're needed to improve clarity, and I removed the part about the group disbanding in 1973 because that is mentioned later in the lede, so it's kind of redundant. So yeah, good work!

 * The "immediately absorbed into the vocabulary of popular music" is a direct quote from the inline citation, I believe. It basically means that their sound was immediately imitated by other bands -- such as The Turtles, Love, and even The Beatles on Rubber Soul. I agree that it's a bit of a flowery phrase, but I would caution against removing it, because it is important that readers understand that the band's clear, ethereal harmonies and jangly sound was copied by others in the mid-60s. We could reword it, but I tend to avoid "interpreting" sources like that, if I can.

 * I don't disagree that "Mr. Tambourine Man" and "Turn! Turn! Turn!" should be mentioned in the lede. However, adding the wording "In 1965, the band scored number-one hits in the United States with... " makes that part of the lede very U.S.-centric. Wikipedia is read by English speaking people all over the globe and should try, as much as possible, to reflect a global viewpoint. For example, "Mr. Tambourine Man" was also a number 1 single in the UK and, I think, somewhere else like Australia or maybe another European country (my memory's a bit hazy on that). It would be better to just say that those two songs are their biggest international hits or something. I'll try adding something like that now. Let me know what you think.

 * Hmmmm...yeah, I can see your point about the final paragraph being too long and trivial for the lead. I guess the legal shennanigans over the "Byrds" name isn't really essential info to get across to the reader in the lede. I'll try trimming that too, as you suggest. Again, let me know what you think.

 * Kohoutek1138, thanks for your comments and edits. I just made a few more edits to the lede. I removed the word "immediately" from the sentence about the Byrds' sound being absorbed into the vocabulary of music, etc. It does not reflect the first of the two cited sources (which is where the rest of the clause originates). I changed the sentence to reflect the source, which said the Byrds' music was "absorbed into the vocabulary of rock", and I inserted quotation marks. I also removed the "to the present day" clause at the end of the sentence, which is problematic because at least one of the sources is dated. I also removed one instance of the word "pioneering" because it was used twice in the same paragraph. I made some other minor edits. What do you think?

 * I have concerns about the third paragraph of the lede, which I think gets bogged down in minutiae about the band's membership. Otherwise, I think the lede is in good shape. SunCrow (talk) 06:42, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

 * Yeah SunCrow, those edits are fine and were probably needed. However, I have reinserted the word "pioneering" in regard to country rock. I know what you're saying about "pioneered" and "pioneering" appearing twice in the same paragraph, but the thing about the Byrds is that they really did pioneer multiple genres, which is why "time has judged the Byrds to be nearly as influential" as the Beatles, Stones & Beach Boys, to quote Unterberger in the inline citation. Besides, the word "pioneering" is used by Unterberger in relation to their contribution to the development of country rock, so I think it's fine to reinforce this aspect of the group in this instance.

 * With regard to the third paragraph, I think it's about as brief and streamlined as it can be already. The Byrds' ongoing personnel changes are dizzying by most band's standards, and are an important aspect of their history. The original quintet should definitely all be mentioned by name, since the period in which they were together is when the band achieved its greatest degree of fame. Gram Parsons and Clarence White should also be mentioned, I think, since they are the two subsequent members that have achieved a degree of fame among rock and country rock fans themselves, and therefore readers might come to the Byrds article looking for information about these two individuals. Likewise, Gene Clark's problems with anxiety and paranoia are pretty well known to fans of '60s music, and his departure from the band for those reasons is arguably the most famous departure in the Byrds' history. So, again, I feel that it's important enough to be mentioned in the lede. So yeah, I'm not sure how it could really be made more streamlined. My feeling is that it's fine as it is and we should leave it alone. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 11:22, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

 * OK, Kohoutek1138. I am fine with the lede in its current form. SunCrow (talk) 13:19, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Influence
I wonder about the veracity of this statement

"and McGuinn's jangly twelve-string Rickenbacker guitar was "absorbed into the vocabulary of rock" and has continued to be influential.[1][3]"

Yes, I know it's been attributed - to someone who wrote about them - so naturally enough he praises his own subject, but McGuinn is on record himself saying that he got the idea of the 12-string from the Beatles

So simply their 'influence' is that they copied the Beatles, thus the Beatles are the source.

Montalban (talk) 09:40, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I think it's fine. After all, it really was the Byrds and not the Beatles who popularized that jingle-jangle Rickenbacker sound, which has become a frequently heard sound in rock/pop music in the years since. Yes, it was George Harrison's use of the Rickenbacker 12-string on albums like A Hard Day's Night that initially inspired McGuinn to buy a Rickenbacker, but the way in which he played it is quite different from the Beatles. McGuinn used a "rolling" arpeggiated picking style, along with a highly compressed and sustained tone, and it was these elements that gave the band's music that ringing, bell-like jangle that became so influential.

 * Prior to the Byrds, the Beatles used the Rickenbacker 12-string to play chiming lead lines or riffs, as heard on songs like "You Can't Do That" and "Ticket to Ride", but after the Byrds you get Byrdsian jangly sound in songs like "If I Needed Someone" (which is itself something of an homage to the Byrds) and Nowhere Man, which -- although it didn't actually feature any Rickenbackers -- emulates the Byrds sound. My point being that it was the Byrds who popularized that particular style of jangly sound, even though it had its routes in the music of acts, like the Beatles, the Searchers and Jackie DeShannon. That's really all the "absorbed into the vocabulary of rock" sentence is really saying, with further details about the Beatles' influence being discussed in the "Formation (1964)" sub-section and in the main "Folk Rock" article. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 10:38, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Touring members
User EPBeatles wants to add a "Touring musicians" sub-section in the article's Personel section. I don't think this is a good idea. The thing is, with the possible exception of Jimmi Seiter (and even that's arguable), these musicians really weren't members of the band. I feel that including them in a list like this is opening up a can of worms. I mean, where does it stop? Why not add their roadie who subbed on guitar for a couple of gigs in 1968? How about the hired hands who played with three Byrds members during a one-off, three-song reunion performance at a tribute concert in 2000? And if we're listing touring musicians, how about the studio session musicians who played on some of the band's biggest hits, like the "Mr. Tambourine Man" single? I mean, you could definitely argue that drummer Hal Blaine's contribution to the Byrds legacy is far greater than any of these touring sidemen, just because his contribution is heard on the Byrds best know song.

On a wider point, I'm not sure that touring sidemen should ever be listed in a band's Personel section on Wikipedia. I don't recall seeing this as a common thing in band articles. But in the case of the Byrds, listing these hired hands in this section places far too much emphasis on their contributions and elevates them to a similar level as those who were actually bona fide band members. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 06:10, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

 * Don't disagree, but technically Battin, White and Parsons were hired hands. Rogan's book details the arrangement as them being paid by McGuinn. John Guerin comes to mind as he was with the group for several live performances toward the end of the groups existence. He was not much different than Parsons as far as being a 'Byrd" goes. I think that makes it tricky in the minds of some. Again, I do not disagree with your argument, just wanted to add something you may not have considered as to the why behind someone possibly adding folks like Guerin to the roster of members. Appreciate the work you and others have done on the article. Thanks! THX1136 (talk) 00:37, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

The Byrds - big as the Beatles for a short time? Discuss
User:Isaacsorry has recently deleted the part of the article lead that repeated critic and music historian Richie Unterberger's assertion that the Byrds attained the huge commercial success of contemporaries like the Beatles, the Beach Boys, and the Rolling Stones for a short period in the mid-1960s. This user's reason for doing so was, in their own words: "commercial success is completely fabricated, their biggest albums (mentioned in the lead) didn't crack the top 10 in the UK or US. Not comparable to the commercial success of the other bands."

Myself, I must admit that I've always felt a little uncomfortable with the lead calling the Byrds as big as the Beatles, even at their moment of peak commercial success in late 1965. But then again, in 1965, singles were generally of greater significance than albums and the Byrds did have two number 1 singles in the US in 1965 – that's one more number 1 than the Beach Boys had in 1965! The Byrds also had a number 1 single in the UK and another top 5 hit in 1965. Plus, contrary to what User:Isaacsorry wrote in the edit summary, the Byrds first album did reach the Top 10 on both sides of the Atlantic in 1965.

In addition to Unterberger's Allmusic Byrds biography, I found a second reliable reference also saying that the band's level of popularity in 1965 was comparable to the Beatles in Ric Menck's 33⅓ series book on The Notorious Byrd Brothers. Menck says that in 1965, "the Byrds became one of the most popular rock 'n' roll groups in the entire world, right up there with their idols the Beatles, and nothing would ever be the same for these five young men again." In addition, author John Einarson says in his biography of Gene Clark that, "[...by the fall of 1965] They were the pop flavor of the month, the group de jour for the teenyboppers, and their faces were plastered across every teen magazine." So clearly Einarson is indicating that their fame was at least of a comparable level to the Beatles, Beach Boys or the Stones.

As for Unterberger himself, he is a renowned expert on Sixties rock music in general, and folk-rock in particular (having written two well researched books on the subject). He's also published a book on the Beatles. So, he is clearly a rock solid source for this kind of information on the Byrds and the Beatles.

I'm just not sure it is really for us editors to "interpret" the cited inline citations in this way. If Unterberger and Menck are saying that the Byrds were as big as the Beatles for a short period in 1965-1966, and Einarson is saying that the band were everywhere in the pop music press and on teenybopper's lips at that time, shouldn't we just respect the sources and say as much in this article lede?

For my part, there are two possible solutions to this matter that I'd be happy with. We either put the disputed sentence back exactly as it was and add Menck and Einarson's citations to bolster it, or (and this would be my preference) we say that the Byrds were of a comparable level of popularity to the Beatles, the Beach Boys and the Stones for a short period in the mid-1960s. I would feel more comfortable using the word "comparable" rather than justg straaight out saying "they attained the huge commerical success of the Beatles, Beach Boys and Stones."

I'd be interested in your thoughs on the matter, Isaacsorry, SgtPetsounds, SilkTork, EPBeatles, Richhoncho, Rlendog, and Mick gold or anyone else that wants to comment. Many thanks. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 14:19, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

 * If we're being entirely honest, no 1960s act attained commercial success similar to the Beatles. At all. The Beatles had 20 No.1 US hits alone during that time, the other three bands combined don't amount to that. So, I think that it should be clarified in the second paragraph that during a short time in 1965/1966, the Byrds established themselves as one of the "hottest groups"--(however you want to word it)--around. It also discredits the Byrds to compare them to other bands, in order to justify their "recognition". It's like putting in the lead of Prince: "Prince was one the biggest acts of the 1980s, comparable to the success of Michael Jackson and Madonna." Unsigned comment 16:37, 9 September 2020 by Isaacsorry

 * I note that this matter has been brought up previously. SunCrow raised the matter last year. It does seem on reflection to be an odd claim, because the three bands chosen are known to have been very successful, and the chart history of The Byrds is not really comparable to those three bands. It is difficult when reliable sources make statements that are not supported by evidence, and there is a feeling that Unterberger and Menck are exaggerating slightly to make a point about the popularity of the Byrds for a brief period. The Byrds had two number 1 singles in the US, and one number 1 and one top 10 in the UK in 1965, and one album in the top 10 in both countries in the same year. The Beach Boys had four Top 10 singles and six Top 10 singles in 1965 plus success before and after that year. The Stones had five Top 10 albums and seven Top 10 singles (five of them number 1). The Beatles had five number 1 albums and I'm not even going to count the number 1 singles in 1965. The Byrds did very well, but on the evidence they came nowhere near The Beatles - the success of The Beatles was simply staggering. The Byrds certainly had notable success with two number 1 singles in 1965, but so did The Seekers, while The Supremes had three number 1 singles. And looking further, The Kinks had two top 10 albums, and five top 10 singles in the UK and US in the same year, plus success before and after that year. The Who had a top ten album and three top ten singles in 1965, plus continued success afterwards.
 * "Mr. Tambourine Man" was, however, very successful. It was one of the biggest hits of the year, and while "Turn! Turn! Turn!" also briefly made number 1 in the US, it didn't achieve the same success as "Tambourine". I suspect what Unterberger and Menck are saying is that the success of "Mr. Tambourine Man" made the band internationally famous for a brief period. And I think we'd all agree with that. But the comparison with three of the most commercially successful groups of the Sixties is not helpful. It is difficult when reliable sources use hyperbole to make a point, because we are meant to reflect what reliable sources say. However, we do have WP:EXCEPTIONAL for situations like this. To use such an extraordinary claim, we would need multiple reliable sources: "The weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportioned to its strangeness." At the moment I don't think we have the weight of evidence to support a claim that The Byrds were as successful as The Beatles and The Stones in 1965. I think the wording we have in the lead right now:  is more proportional and acceptable than, though it is making the same point. It would be really good if more research could be done to find a source which would nail that success to 1965, and to "Mr. Tambourine Man" in particular, because though roughly acceptable, "achieved international commercial success for a short period in the mid-1960s" is a very vague statement which is not helpful to the reader and a little misleading because they never again attained a Top ten album or single in either the US or the UK. SilkTork (talk) 01:02, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the feedback both of you. You both make some great points and I more or less agree with everything you're saying. So, the way the sentence in question stands at the moment is, "Although they only achieved international commercial success for a short period in the mid-1960s, the Byrds are today considered by critics to be nearly as influential as their contemporaries the Beatles, the Beach Boys, and the Rolling Stones", which to my mind is just OK-ish.

 * My problem with it in this form is that it's quite vauge: what exactly constitutes "international commercial sucess?" After all, just getting a record into the Top 40 on both sides of the Atlantic could legitimately be considered "international commercial sucess". What I want to get across, is that the Byrds were in the upper echelons of the pop world for a short period in the mid-60s, with (as Einarson states) their faces adorning countless teen magazines as the group de jour for the teenyboppers, and two #1 singles in the U.S. and one #1 in the UK.

 * I'm sort of wondering how we can smoothly include Menck and Einarson's coments (which are detailed more explicitly later on in the article) in this lede sentence. I'm thinking of maybe changing it to something like: "Although their time as teenybopper favorites and one of the most popular groups in the world only lasted for a short period in the mid-1960s, the Byrds are today considered by critics to be nearly as influential as their contemporaries the Beatles, the Beach Boys, and the Rolling Stones." Thoughts? Suggestions of improved wording? Many thanks. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 09:56, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

 * The current wording - "..among the most influential rock acts of their era..." - looks fine to me - it seems unarguably true, and far preferable to the more debatable "...nearly as influential as...". Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:36, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

 * I don't disagree with the wording, "..among the most influential rock acts of their era...". After all, that's a factually correct statement. But that's not actually what the inline citations say. I don't think it's right for editors to "interpret" inline citations like this: it erodes text-source integrity and smacks of citation synthesis -- that is, combining material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the sources.

 * What the inline citations actually say is that the Byrds are regarded by critics as being nearly as influential as the Beatles, Beach Boys, and the Stones, and that for a short period in the mid-1960s the Byrds were "one of the most popular rock 'n' roll groups in the entire world" and that "they were the pop flavor of the month, the group de jour for the teenyboppers, with their faces plastered across every teen magazine." If anyone can find a reliable citation that actually says that the Byrds were "..among the most influential rock acts of their era..." then great. But until then, I think we should stick to what the inline citations actually say. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 11:11, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

 * What you are doing is cherry-picking citations that support the case that you want to make - that they were "nearly as influential" as the other bands, rather than "among the most influential" (and how is "nearly" to be quantified?). It's irritating, but I'm not going to worry unduly about it - I don't intend looking through dozens of standard reference books to support a statement that is "a factually correct statement" with which you "don't disagree".   Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:18, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I'm annoying you, Ghmyrtle, that's not my intention. I want to work with you and other editors to make this disputed sentence as accurate and as well supported by inline citations as possible. To be absolutely clear, I would personally have no problem at all with altering the sentence in question to say "..among the most influential rock acts of their era...", because it's true. However, I'm concerned that soon enough some editor or other will come along and change it because that's not actually what the citations say. I've encountered this kind of thing before: a couple of years back, that sentence used to read: "Although they only managed to attain the huge commercial success of contemporaries like the Beatles, the Beach Boys, and the Rolling Stones for a short period in the mid-60s, the Byrds are today considered by critics to be one of the most influential bands of the 1960s. Those were my words, but another editor came along and was adamant that the lede should be changed to more acurately reflect almost exactly what the citations said. That happening again is all I'm concerned about here. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 15:51, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You're not annoying me, but I don't think it's worth worrying too much about what other editors might do.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:52, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm gonna remove the part that says "...alongside their contemporaries the Beatles, the Beach Boys, and the Rolling Stones" because it seems that consensus is not in favour of including it. Also, I do take User:Isaacsorry's point that "it also discredits the Byrds to compare them to other bands, in order to justify their 'recognition'." --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 18:53, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

 * To jump in way after the fact, I would agree with Silk Torkb& Kohoutek who mentions this early on. The 'problem' lies with the word 'commercial'. From an influence standpoint, it's undeniable that the group were highly influential as were the Beatles, Stones and Beach Boys on other artists.THX1136 (talk) 00:52, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Psychedelic rock and country rock
Are we sure that the Byrds originated raga rock, psychedelic rock and country rock? The Beatles' Rubber Soul was released the previous year, and several sources in the article mention that the album was the "first" psychedelic record, as well as a country rock record. "Norwegian Wood" is also a raga rock song. Isaacsorry (talk) 00:09, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The lead doesn't say that they originated those genres - which would be untrue - but that they "were influential in originating" them - which is closer to the truth.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:28, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm also unsure about folk rock. There's several sources debating whether The Beatles actually created folk rock pre-Rubber Soul. Roger Mcguinn, the Byrds' member, has also said that The Beatles actually created folk rock "without them actually knowing that they did". Isaacsorry (talk) 09:51, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * There are antecedents, like the Beatles' songs "I'm a Loser" and '"You've Got to Hide Your Love Away", which the Byrds themselves have always acknowledged. There was also the jangly, folk-flavoured compostitions of the Beau Brummels and Jackie DeShannon, along with the Animals' cover of "The House of the Rising Sun" in 1964. But the moment when folk rock finally coalesced into an identifiable sub-genre was with the release of the Byrds' cover of "Mr. Tambourine Man". That's not a controversial opinion at all, and it is supported by multiple reliable references in both this article and the Folk Rock one. The very term "folk rock" was first coined to described the Byrds' music in mid-1965.

 * Likewise, the band's important role in originating raga rock and psychedelic rock is widly recognised among critics and music historians. "Eight Miles High" was initially recorded in December 1965 and is deemed by many critics to be the first bona fide psychedelic pop song. To quote music writer Domenic Priore, "prior to 'Eight Miles High,' there were no pop records with incessant, hypnotic basslines juxtaposed by droning, trance-induced improvisational guitar." The Byrds also held a "raga rock press conferance" in March 1966 to explain the Indian-influences that they were experimenting with on "Eight Miles High" and, to a greater extent, its B-side "Why". It was during this press conferance that the term "raga rock" was first coined. So yeah, saying that the Byrds were "influential in originating psychedelic rock and raga rock" is not a controversial statement or a "fringe theory"; it's very well recognised by many authors and historians who write about '60s music. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 10:49, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * While raga rock may have first been pertained to the Byrds by critics in the 1960s, in retrospective and contemporary critic articles the Beatles' "Norwegian Wood" has been cited as the first raga rock song--as mentioned in the Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown) article. Similarly to how Neil Young came to dubbed the "Godfather of Grunge", yet grunge music wasn't coined in his heyday. Isaacsorry (talk) 20:55, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd say we can do way better than Priore with such claims. Regardless, the Byrds originated raga rock because the term was invented for their single "Eight Miles High". Journalists and historians subsequently looked back and identified "Norwegian Wood" as raga rock; after that (historically but not chronologically), writers have said the likes of the Kinks' "See My Friends" was the first raga rock song. Same thing with folk rock (and probably country rock). "Folk rock" was the term given to the Byrds' Dylan–Beatles mix on "Tambourine Man", but writers have since decided that plenty of Beatles and Dylan songs from 1964 if not before are "folk rock" songs. McGuinn cited "She Loves You" (1963) as folk rock. Gram Parsons said "I Don't Want to Spoil the Party" was country rock, or at least a blueprint for his work in that style. JG66 (talk) 15:43, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * "Folk rock", 1963?  Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:44, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You mean how can the term be applied retrospectively to a recording from '63? I guess it's the same with, say, "I Don't Want to Spoil the Party" being labelled country rock.
 * I've always found this retrospective genre application something of a problem on Wikipedia, although I appreciate it's just a reflection of how writers approach the issue (and we're merely meant to reflect that). It's probably because I'm interested in the historical aspect of '60s music and the scenes that developed to create labels like folk rock, psychedelia and country rock; whereas so many writers appear to view the music in the present, so to speak, and apply genres that didn't yet exist. So, they end up rewriting history when it comes to a '60s music scene vs a '60s music style. JG66 (talk) 06:53, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I think my basic point is that it is almost always impossible to state definitively that any one band or artist "originated" any specific music genre. It's as mad as saying that, say, W. C. Handy "invented" the blues.  All music genres developed gradually out of pre-existing genres, and the mixing of styles, by multiple sets of musicians.  If a reliable source states an opinion that, say, the Byrds originated a particular style, it's OK to quote it, but we as editors should never seek to construct such a claim ourselves.  (And incidentally, isn't "La Bamba" "folk rock"?).  Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:32, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Not only is "La Bamba" technically folk rock, but so too is much of the Everly Brothers' 1958 album Songs Our Daddy Taught Us, technically. But the thing with the Byrds' "Mr. Tambourine Man" is that it combined the poetic or socially concious aspect of folk music that had evolved during the folk music revival of the late '50s and early '60s and married them to a "Beatle beat", to use McGuinn's own term. Dylan's lyrics were intellectual and extremely poetic and once that was blended with a rock beat it was a new thing -- hence the lable "folk rock" being coined by the music press to describe the record, just as it peaked at #1 in the States in mid-1965. It is hard to think of a record by a pop/rock act prior to that which featured such intellectual and literary wordplay. But yeah, I agree that the antecedents of folk rock and its evolution do stretch way back. Like a lot of sub-genres. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 16:00, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

 * Amusing to hear raga rock applied to Norwegian Wood. Using a sitar played in the style of a guitar would not make the song raga rock. Problematic, but using a guitar to emulate the sound of a sitar playing a raga makes a better application of the term which is what the Byrds did. As far as the Fabs go, Love You To is more accurately raga rock than Norwegian Wood. I think the best guidance I would suggest is the 'law of first mention' as some here have detailed. The genre names mentioned were coined to describe the Byrds music and were first used with the Byrds to my knowledge. Seems logical to attribute those terms with the group they were first used with. THX1136 (talk) 01:07, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

***IMPORTANT*** vandalism
In the “Years Active” part, the “1989-1991; 2000” number sequence is linked as a phone number. Does this count as vandalism? And can somebody please remove the link? KevinML (talk) 15:07, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * KevinML There is no link present in the infobox where it says "1989-1991; 2000". It's just plain text. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 16:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

It must be a glitch on my phone, then. It’s seriously coming up as a phone number. KevinML (talk) 17:59, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

No the link was removed KevinML (talk) 15:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

The photograph description: They do not look 'windswept'.

The description of Crosby coming up at a venue and beginning to sing: Stop perpetuating this great myth that people can just come up, start singing, and be 'discovered' as a talent. In my over half a century on this planet, I have seen MANY very talented singers burst into impromptu singing, including harmonizing at entertainment events and elsewhere, WHO NEVER BECOME FAMOUS SINGERS OR get chosen by a well-known band, etc. Stop the myth. 98.123.126.45 (talk) 20:22, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * And yet, this is exactly how it happened, according to both Crosby himself and Gene Clark. The majority of singers do not become famous or successful, obvuiously, but it's not a myth in this instance. Frankly, I'm not quite sure what your point is. Kohoutek1138 (talk) 14:10, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

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List of Danny Phantom characters

The series Danny Phantom centers on young Danny Fenton and his coming-of-age story as a half-ghost superhero in the town of Amity Park. Over the course of the series, he betters both himself and his powers as he deals with ghosts, balancing his normal and heroic life in a community that does not initially trust him. His companions are his best friends: Sam Manson, a vegetarian goth girl who is entranced by the "weird and supernatural" and Tucker Foley, a lighthearted "techno-geek". Danny often has to put up with the eccentricity of his ghost-hunting parents, Jack and Maddie Fenton, and his smothering, doting, but compassionate older sister, Jazz Fenton. His primary nemesis is Vlad Masters, a billionaire celebrity who is also a half-ghost.

Danny Phantom
Daniel "Danny" Fenton (voiced by David Kaufman), also known as Danny Phantom, is the main protagonist of the series. He is initially shown as an average, self-conscious, introverted, kindhearted, and sensitive 14-year-old boy who is desperate to fit in with his peers and be accepted, despite his parents' eccentricities. Danny thinks highly of his older sister Jazz, despite finding it annoying when she gets involved in his social life, and is in many ways as over-protective of her as she is of him. After an accident in his parents' ghost lab, Danny becomes a human/ghost hybrid, also called a half-ghost or halfa, and obtains a variety of ghostly abilities. A battle with the Lunch Lady Ghost places the unsure Danny on the path to becoming a superhero. Despite his flaws, he is good-hearted and loyal to his friends and family. He eventually grows, gaining great confidence in himself and maturity, and begins concentrating more on his heroic duties.

Danny possesses the powers of flight, intangibility, invisibility, sensing other spirits, and overshadowing, as well as ghost rays. The ghost rays consist of laser-like "ectoplasm" which are emitted from his body; primarily his hands and fingertips. Over the course of the show, he gains various other powers such as duplication, forcefield creation, telekinesis, power absorption, and cryokinesis. At the beginning of the series, his ghost sense is a facet of his power set that he must uncover. In the two-part special "The Ultimate Enemy," Danny gains a power known as the "Ghostly Wail." To use this power, Danny yells and creates waves of ecto-energy -illustrated much like sound waves- that destroy almost everything in his path, making it his most destructive and damaging power overall. However, since he obtained it 10 years too early, it drains him of all his strength and reverts him to human form.

Samantha Manson
Samantha "Sam" Manson (voiced by Grey DeLisle) is Danny's first best friend and love interest/eventual girlfriend. She is a gothic, environmentally-concerned "ultra-recyclo-vegetarian". Her parents are well-to-do social conservatives who inherited money from their famous inventor ancestor, who invented "the machine that twirls the cellophane around the toothpicks", though she briefly kept this a secret from her friends to avoid "fake friendships". In the Christmas special, it was revealed that she and her family are Jewish, which was hinted at the fact that her grandmother calls her "bubeleh".

Sam is often the most pragmatic of the group, but she can be bossy at times and is determined to stand up for what she believes in, particularly when environmental causes are involved. Like Danny, however, she is good-hearted, as she is always there for him no matter what. She was the one who urged Danny to explore the then-under-construction Fenton Portal, resulting in the accident that gave Danny his ghost powers. She has a crush on Danny that lasts throughout the majority of the series, and she eventually becomes his girlfriend.

Sam has also been unintentionally responsible in the development of ghosts and was transformed twice. In "Parental Bonding", when attempting to retrieve the Amulet of Aragon from Paulina to stop her from turning into a dragon, Paulina puts it on Sam as she tells him she only faked affection for Danny to get back at Sam for taunting her earlier, which infuriates Sam and transforms her into the ghost dragon, who Danny is able to defeat and change back. In the episode "Urban Jungle", Undergrowth brainwashes Sam into becoming his queen and "personal care taker of everything green". In the episode "Memory Blank", Sam accidentally causes Danny to lose his powers out of anger because of the wish-granting ghost Desiree and also brings to life three ghosts from a horror movie, Femalien, Terminatra, and Nightmerica.

Tucker Foley
Tucker Foley (voiced by Rickey D'Shon Collins) is an African-American boy who is Danny's other best friend "since forever". He is the most lighthearted of the trio and often cracks jokes, serving as the comic relief during very tense scenes. He often believes he is a ladies' man, but often fails at attracting any popular girls. Gifted with technological knowledge and a self-proclaimed "techno-geek", Tucker often helps by using his PDA to hack into computers and machinery. He is also a lover of meat, as opposed to Sam.

Despite all this (or, perhaps, because of it), Tucker has a shockingly dark side; he tends to get easily corrupted by his vice, and while he enjoys getting attention, he openly expresses envy when he is not receiving any.

Jazz Fenton
Jasmine "Jazz" Fenton (voiced by Colleen O'Shaughnessey) is Danny's intelligent and highly sociable 16-year-old sister. Viewing herself as the most rational and normal member of the family, Jazz often plays a surrogate parental role to Danny, thinking he's a naive child in need of guidance, unaware that she is often smothering him. Jazz is an overachiever, whose accomplishments unknowingly make Danny feel insignificant, under-appreciated, and stupid in comparison, making him feel like he has something to prove. Looking after her brother all her life has initially caused Jazz to think more like an adult then a teenager, unaware that Danny actually needs a big sister more than he needs a parent now that he's old enough to look after himself.

Due to her cherished goal of being a psychologist, Jazz has a bad habit of getting into people's personal space, which greatly annoys her brother, despite his knowing that she does it because she loves him and wants nothing more than to help him. When she secretly discovers her brother's secret identity, Jazz has made excuses for him while he went out to fight ghosts, and slowly starts to realize that her brother is growing up fine on his own. Along the way, she learns to appreciate her family's ghost hunting and actively takes part at times. She has also learned to embrace her sixteen-year-old self instead of acting like an "adult in a teen body", thanks to an "on-the-job" lesson on how to be a kid from Danny.

Jack and Maddie Fenton
Jack (voiced by Rob Paulsen) and Madeline "Maddie" Fenton (voiced by Kath Soucie) are Danny and Jazz's parents. They are professional yet bumbling jumpsuit-wearing ghost hunters who make it their hobby and goal to study and eradicate "all things ectoplasmic." While they serve as much embarrassment to their children, they are just as well respected and loved by them. Despite their obsession with ghost hunting, Jack and Maddie are loving parents who dote on their kids constantly.

Jack is the most obsessed with ghost-hunting. He jumps into action before thinking and can make a bad situation even worse. While he can often act clumsy and incompetent, he holds a great deal of courage and is an adequate fighter, at one point clashing toe-and-toe against Vlad Plasmius and defeating him, much to the latter's surprise and embarrassment. He is a self-proclaimed scientist who has a good amount of technical knowledge, and is able to conjure up ghost gadgets and defense systems built all around the Fenton household. He also has a maturity and seriousness that few people recognize and can get serious and show great skill when danger threatens his loved ones. In Pt. 2 of the "Danny Phantom Ten Years Later" video on YouTube, Butch Hartman admits he partially based Jack off Fred Flintstone.

Maddie (short for Madeline) is an accomplished ninth-degree martial artist who serves as Jack's partner and equal inventor of Fenton anti-ghost gadgets. She dons a jumpsuit hood with goggles that makes her resemble Catwoman from DC Comics and is more down-to-earth than her husband and often supports or keep her husband from getting into trouble or harm. She is often the more sensible of the two, but can be aggressive and snappy at times.

Jack and Maddie attended the University of Wisconsin-Madison at the same time as Vlad Plasmius; it was there that the rivalry between Jack and Vlad over Maddie began.

Amorpho
Constituting a parody of the comics-character Chameleon, Amorpho (voiced by Danny Mann) is a ghost able to change his appearance into that of any (human or animal) being, at will. More mischievous than malevolent, he desires attention and pursues it by morphing into someone else's appearance, to play pranks that leave the corresponding person to take the consequences, for what he actually had done.

Bertrand
Bertrand (voiced by Jim Ward) is a small yet powerful shape-shifting, amorphous blob-like ghost who can transform into various monstrous creatures to defend Spectra and help enact her plans, and is just as sadistic and cruel as Spectra herself.

Box Ghost
The Box Ghost (voiced by Rob Paulsen) is a running gag ghoul with a Canadian accent who constantly fights with cardboard and anything square (and the occasional bubble wrap). He is incompetent in his attempts to scare people and is barely taken seriously by either the heroes or the other ghosts. He was almost successful in taking over Amity Park by using Pandora's Box, but failed (in that episode, he was summed-up as 'a ghost with an inferiority complex, who just wants attention'). Despite it, Box Ghost remains determined regardless, shouting quotes such as "Beware, for I am the Box Ghost!" when approaching foes. In an alternate future portrayed in "The Ultimate Enemy", he is married to the Lunch Lady Ghost and has a daughter with her (Box Lunch).

Bullet
Bullet (voiced by Daran Norris) is Walker's second-in-command. He is only seen in minor roles in two episodes.

Dark Danny/Dan Phantom
Dark Danny Phantom (also known as Dan Phantom) (voiced by Eric Roberts) is a villain created by the fusion of the ghost-halves of Danny and Vlad in an alternative timeline. He was created with the intent that Danny's worst enemy would be an evil version of himself. Dark Danny is a cruel, malicious ghost who cares little for anything other than himself, causing as much destruction as he sees fit.

Dark Danny, or Dan, came to be after a fatal and accidental explosion of the Nasty Burger Fast Food Restaurant's boiler that caused the explicit death of Danny Fenton's family, friends, and teacher. Grief-stricken and guilty, Danny moved in with Vlad Masters, feeling that only Vlad could understand his pain. Danny asked Vlad to remove his emotions. Honoring the boy's wishes, Vlad separated Danny's human half from his ghost self; later, the latter retaliated doing the same to Vlad. The ghost-half of Danny then attempted to overshadow Plasmius, eventually fusing their bodies together. Plasmius's ghost-half overwhelmed that of Danny, creating an even more evil and more powerful version of the two halves. He then destroyed Vlad's entire castle, and his own human half.

He spent the next ten years destroying the world. Through time travel, the present-day Danny managed to defeat his evil self and subsequently sealed him in a Fenton Thermos.

Desiree

Desiree (voiced by Peri Gilpin) is a Genie-like ghost who travels the world granting anyone's deepest desires. Unfortunately, while compelled to grant any wish she hears, she is free to interpret and twist it any way she sees fit. "So you have wished it, so shall it be!" is her sly response to a casual wish, with disastrous consequences that often serve to increase her powers. Her vindictive nature stems from her life as a human were many years back, she was a harem girl who won the affections of a sultan. He showered her with whatever gifts she wanted but was banished by the Sultan's jealous wife. She died of a broken heart (and old age), and returned as a genie/wishing ghost. After returning from beyond the grave as a genie/wishing ghost, Desiree initially granted wishes with benevolence, but remembering her own happiness that was taken away, she became bitter, resentful, and jealous, thus leading to her current behavior.

Ember McLain

Ember McLain (speaking voice by Tara Strong and singing voice by Robbyn Kirmssé) is a power-hungry musician who hates authority. She thirsts for attention and has a cutting, sarcastic personality. She gains power when people say her name, as is shown in her first appearance when she attempted to gain power by performing her song "Remember" live and broadcasting worldwide in the hope that everyone would chant her name at the same time and empower her. She is somewhat similar to a Siren, as she can also hypnotize her victims, using her guitar as her main mode of hypnotism as well as a weapon.

Ember is known for teaming up with other ghosts to show off her divine ghost powers. In the series, she has teamed up with Kitty, Penelope Spectra and Youngblood on several occasions, usually attacking authority in society. In the episode "Girls' Night Out" she is shown to be dating Skulker. Backstory for Ember released by Butch reveals that she was unpopular in high school when she was alive and dreamed of becoming a rock star. When a boy asked her out to the movies, she accepted, but the boy stood her up as she waited for him all night. Once morning came, she returned home and fell asleep from exhaustion. However, her house mysteriously caught on fire, and despite efforts by firefighters to put the blaze out, Ember burned to death or died from smoke inhalation as her home burned to the ground. Upon becoming a ghost, she gained both her rock star dream she had when she was still mortal, and pyrokinetic powers due to the fire that claimed her life. Thus she made sure no one would forget her name again as she used her ghost powers to get the fame she desired.

Femalien
Femalien (voiced by Grey DeLisle) is one of the fictional characters from the movie Trinity of Doom (a parody of Freddy vs. Jason). Femalien is a spoof of the villains from the film Predator. Femalien is brought to life by Desiree after Sam "wished" that something bad might happen to Paulina before her party. Femalien spends most of her time in the episode hunting down Paulina but attacks Danny when he is in the way. When asked who sent her (to kill Paulina) she says "Sam" before dissipating.

Fright Knight
The Fright Knight (voiced by Michael Dorn) is the representative of Halloween. He is a powerful, gruff knight who spreads terror from his winged horse, Nightmare. When touched by a victim, his sword, the Soul Shredder, is able to send that victim into the victim's worst nightmare imaginable.

Fright Knight remained a loyal servant to Pariah Dark, but showed reluctance to continue his servitude towards him. He later switches sides to Vlad Plasmius for reasons unknown.

Ghost Writer
The Ghost Writer (voiced by Will Arnett) is an author who resides in the Ghost Zone. He can create anything by simply typing on his keyboard with the added effect of forcing everyone to speak in rhymes, a situation that can continue even upon its destruction. An unassuming, but creative ghoul, he gained quick vindictiveness towards Danny Phantom when Danny accidentally destroyed his Christmas poem, but refused to apologize (as Danny did not enjoy Christmas). Breaking the Ghost Zone's Christmas Truce, Ghost Writer tormented Danny until he learned his lesson. He was later jailed for breaking the law.

Hotep-Ra
Hotep-Ra (voiced by S. Scott Bullock) is the mummy-like spirit of an ancient minion of King Duulamun, an Egyptian pharaoh who shares a remarkably similar appearance to Tucker Foley. He was released from his eternal sleep when Tucker looked into the mirror at the front of Ra's sarcophagus. He served Tucker and helped him regain his kingdom as pharaoh, but secretly planned to take over the kingdom once it was restored. Deceitful and sneaky, Hotep-Ra was eventually defeated by Tucker when he realized he had been used by Hotep-Ra.

Johnny 13
Johnny 13 (voiced by William Baldwin) is a rebellious biker. His living shadow brings bad luck to whoever it gains contact with. Always on the road, his constant companion is girlfriend Kitty. Despite their differences and Johnny's keen womanizing habits, they are in love with one another. Johnny spent the first time searching for a human host when Kitty was stuck between Ghost Portals and became jealous whenever Kitty would date someone else.

Never outrightly malicious, Johnny tends to leave Danny or anyone alone unless prompted otherwise.

Kitty
Kitty (voiced by Chynna Phillips) is Johnny 13's girlfriend. She is demanding and shrewish. She is constantly under dire stress over her loose boyfriend, wishing he'd focus his full attention on her. She has attempted to make him jealous and at several points, banished him to an alternate dimension via her ghostly ability to send any man to another dimension with a kiss. Despite it, the two remain in love with one another.

Lunch Lady Ghost
The Lunch Lady Ghost (voiced by Patricia Heaton and later Kath Soucie) is the first major foe Danny encounters. She is very overweight and appears vowing revenge on Sam for making the school lunch menu vegetarian. She suffers from uncontrollable mood swings, turning suddenly from sweet and kind to violent and deadly. She consistently uses food (particularly meat) as her main form of weaponry. In an alternate future portrayed in "The Ultimate Enemy", she is married to the Box Ghost and has a daughter with him (Box Lunch).

Lydia
Lydia (voiced by Tara Strong) is Freakshow's loyal ghost assistant. She is heavily covered with tattoos, which she can bring to life and control, and is most often seen shrouded in a cloak. She is seen apart from Freakshow in "Phantom Planet" as part of the crowd of ghosts which helps Danny in the end. Lydia is probably a reference to the song Lydia the Tattooed Lady, a signature tune of comedian Groucho Marx.

Medusa
Medusa (voiced by Grey DeLisle) is based on the character of Greek mythology of the same name. In "Boxed Up Fury", she is one of the obstacles Danny must get past to reach Pandora.

Nightmerica
Nightmerica (voiced by Grey DeLisle) is one of the fictional characters from the movie Trinity of Doom (a parody of Freddy vs. Jason). Nightmerica is a spoof of Freddy Krueger. Nightmerica is brought to life by Desiree after Sam "wished" that something bad might happen to Paulina before her party. Nightmerica spends most of her time in the episode hunting down Paulina. She is defeated by Sam after Danny lost his powers in the episode.

Nocturn
Nocturn (voiced by James Garrett) is the ghost of sleep and dreams. He carries a calm but mysterious air around him. Along with his army of Sleep Walkers, he travels the world, putting people to sleep and absorbing their dream energies to charge him up for world conquest. When he moves to conquer Amity Park, Danny, Tucker, Sam, and Jazz work together to defeat him after Danny manages to destroy the helmets he was using to keep people asleep.

Pariah Dark
Pariah Dark (voiced by Brian Cox) was the ruthless king of the Ghost Zone, until he was eventually captured by rebellious ghosts and sealed in the Sarcophagus of Forever Sleep, where he lay until Vlad accidentally awakened him. He immediately laid waste to both Amity Park and the Ghost Zone until Danny ultimately defeated him, using a power-enhancing suit to enhance his natural ghost powers beyond their usual limits.

Prince Aragon
Prince Aragon (voiced by Dee Bradley Baker) is the ruthless older brother of Princess Dorathea, the Dragon Ghost. Their family treasured two magical "Amulets of Aragon" that allow the wearer to transform into a dragon, especially when angry or distressed. Under his rule, his kingdom was lifeless and unhappy. He constantly treated his sister cruelly. Seeking a human bride to obtain what others do not have, Aragon set Dora to find him a bride. She eventually finds Sam Manson whom he almost marries if not for Danny's interference. Aragon is defeated by his sister when she gets the courage to dethrone and banish him.

Sidney Poindexter
Sidney Poindexter (voiced by Peter MacNicol) is a nerdy teenager from the 1950s. He was known as the most bullied student of Casper High and thus, holds a soft spot and great concern for those who suffered as much as he did. Stuffed into his locker many times, Sidney haunted it for around fifty years, leaving only a mirror behind, a gateway to the dimension that he's trapped in. Able to free himself after meeting Danny, Sidney antagonized Danny, believing him to be a bully when he catches Danny pulling a prank on Dash.

Poindexter took over Danny's body and used it to gain popularity while Danny became stuck in Sidney's body and world and was tormented daily. He managed to get Sam and Tucker to the mirror gateway where he proved he was the real Danny. Using trickery, the trio lured Sidney into his own mirror. He and Danny fought, regaining their own bodies in the process. He eventually gains freedom from his ghostly prison and a bit of popularity in the Ghost School inside the Ghost Zone.

Skulker
Skulker (voiced by Matthew St. Patrick and later Kevin Michael Richardson) introduces himself to Danny as the "Ghost Zone's greatest hunter". Skulker hunts down rare and unusual ghosts and has vowed to hunt down Danny for his rare half ghost status. He uses raw power and weaponry, but understands the way of the hunt, so he is able to utilize his brain to take advantage of his situation as predator to one-up his prey. Having a sense of loyalty, he often works for Vlad Plasimus and occasionally serves as a "leader" and spokesperson for the ghosts. Skulker is actually a tiny green ghost inside a robotic suit. His girlfriend is Ember McLain. One running gag in the show is that since he has Tucker's PDA in his armor, while he has more power, he gets interrupted a few times into doing research on the purple back gorilla, much to his frustration. In an alternate timeline in "The Ultimate Enemy" he had combined with Technus to become "Skulktech 9.9", with Technus serving as Skulker's operating system.

Penelope Spectra
Penelope Spectra (voiced by Tara Strong) is a sadistic shadowy ghost who strives to retain a youthful and beautiful appearance. To do so, she often targets teenagers and through elaborate plans, slowly sucks them dry of their positive emotions like a kind of psychic vampire, using their worst fears and anxieties to humiliate and drain them, leaving them depressed and apathetic while she absorbs their energy to continuously strengthen and beautify her form. She retains a perky personality and chipper demeanor while hiding a dark, seductive and psychotic nature deep inside.

Terminatra
Terminatra (voiced by Grey DeLisle) is one of the fictional characters from the movie Trinity of Doom (a parody of Freddy vs. Jason). Terminatra is a spoof of the Terminator. Terminatra is brought to life by Desiree after Sam wished unknowingly that something bad should happen to Paulina before her party. Terminatra spends most of her time in the episode hunting down Paulina but attacks Danny when in the way. Before dissipating she says "Sam," implying that Sam sent her to hunt Paulina.

Nicolai Technus

Nicolai Technus (voiced by Rob Paulsen impersonating Gilbert Gottfried), a spoof on the name of electrical inventor Nikola Tesla, commonly referred to as just Technus, is the self-proclaimed "Ghost Master of Science and Electrical Technology (and All Things Electronic and Beeping)". He has the ability to control and merge with all electrical technology, a supernatural power known as technopathy, as well as manipulate electricity. Technus is a boisterous genius mad scientist ghost who commonly shouts his name and goals, as well as blabber long speeches quite loudly (a common flaw which Danny exploits) Technus is also known for his use of out-dated slang, such as "hip" and "far out". He occasionally speaks in third-person when referring to himself. Technus later gains himself an upgrade after absorbing large amounts of electrical energy from an electronics store, a power plant, and the Fentons' van and house, rendering himself with a new look and upgraded ghostly form referred to as "Technus 2.0". In his upgraded 2.0 form, Technus doesn't shout out his secret plans as often, he is larger, taller and more powerful, sporting a black trench coat and long silver cape.

Undergrowth
Undergrowth (voiced by Mark Hamill) is a ghost who controls plants. Upset that his beloved nature has been torn down by human hands, he overtakes Amity Park, turns it into his own horticulture lair and possesses Sam, turning her into his "daughter" and the mother to his plants. Undergrowth was defeated by Danny when he mastered his ice powers with the help of Frostbite and used them to freeze him out of Amity Park.

Vlad Masters / Vlad Plasmius
Vlad Masters (or Vlad Plasmius) (voiced by Martin Mull (TV Series; Nicktoons Unite), Trevor Devall (Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl 2) is the archenemy of Danny. A rich, debonair billionaire, Vlad is a powerful half-ghost businessman and scientist whose twenty years of experience constantly one-up Danny's ghostly abilities. As the main antagonist in the series, he vows to destroy Jack for giving him his ghost powers, which in the process injured him terribly and put him in the hospital for seven years with a fatal condition known as "Ecto Acne". He wrongfully blamed this for ruining his life; however, it was his own evil plots that were the real product of his own personality flaws and refusal to accept that Maddie would never truly love him (the three had been classmates at the University of Wisconsin-Madison). He also has goals to obtain Danny as his son and, later, torment him after one too many rejections.

Vlad is a devious man whose exterior charm hides a manipulative interior. He is sneaky and often uses the people he knows as pawns to get what he wants. He remains clever and intelligent throughout the series. At the end of the series he reveals his ghost side in an attempt to secure world domination, but fails and is left as a wandering space nomad.

Originally devised as a vampire before the developers declared it "too occult", Vlad's current resemblance shares much in common with vampiric traits. His ghost surname, "Plasmius" is devised from "plasma" which doubly can be a reference to "blood" or ectoplasm - underlining both the former vampire element and the current 'ghost' connection. Regardless of its influence, it is a surname that stayed in the final production. However, writer Steve Marmel declared the name "Vlad Plasmius" was from a brick he bought in Lambeau Field. Series creator Butch Hartman corroborated this claim in the YouTube video "Danny Phantom 10 Years Later Part 2", claiming that the brick is still present there. Vlad's love for the Green Bay Packers and their linebacker Ray Nitschke is attributed and added due to Marmel's fondness for them. Their team color is a reverse gold and green to avoid copyright infringement with the actual team. An original running gag would be that Vlad would lose his manor due to unfortunate luck every other episode.

Vortex
Vortex (voiced by Dave Boat) is a psychotic ghost with the power to control the weather, a gift he considers to be an art form. He finds Earth to be a meaningless planet, and has wrought havoc on it throughout the ages. On a trial by the Observants for his reckless behavior, Vortex is freed by Vlad who used him to his own services. However, Vortex rebels against Vlad and conjures up violent weather all over the world until Danny defeated him, gaining and losing Vortex's climate control powers. Vortex can generate and control storms, and the weather in general, from creating typhoons to making heat waves hot enough to melt walls, floods and winds cold enough to freeze streets in ice.

Walker
Walker (voiced by James Arnold Taylor), a spoof on the name of the then-popular TV show Walker, Texas Ranger, is a very strict vigilante and warden who runs the prison of the Ghost Zone. He enjoys law and order and often commands with an iron fist; whoever so much as disobeys one rule from his law and rule book is in giant trouble. To justify his cause, he often makes up the rule as he abides by them and is not above using dirty measures to keep the Ghost Zone clean and corruption-free.

As an act of revenge for causing a riot in his prison and allowing prisoners to escape, Walker turned the entire city of Amity Park against Danny Phantom, forcing the ghost boy to endure the city's hatred until Pariah Dark's invasion reversed Danny's negative reputation.

Youngblood
Youngblood (voiced by Taylor Lautner) is a ghost with the appearance of a young child. Obnoxious and childish, he can only be seen by children. Despite his looks, Youngblood is a keen commander and skilled in battle. A ruthless prankster, Youngblood dresses up in various costumes, but most commonly portrays a pirate.

Freakshow
Freakshow (voiced by Jon Cryer) (a parody of the Joker) is the ringmaster of the Circus Gothica, as well as the only fully human villain in the series. An entertainer for the Gothic audience, Freakshow is eccentric, full of showmanship and creativity. His family have used ghosts for their circus for years. Unsatisfied with just a showman's life, Freakshow used a magic scepter able to control ghosts and ordered them to steal goods. He went to Amity Park to make Danny Phantom a member of his performance. He succeeds briefly until Sam snaps him out of it and Danny destroys the scepter.

He is promptly jailed for his crimes. He escapes and uses the fabled Reality Gauntlet to bend reality to his whim, only to be outsmarted by Danny again. Danny successfully uses "Ghost Envy," Freakshow's jealousy of ghosts, against him and defeats him for good. Freakshow is mainly a spoof of the Ringmaster, but the Reality Gauntlet storyline makes him slightly a spoof of Thanos. His full name is Frederich Isak Showenhower.

The Guys in White
Voiced by Dee Bradley Baker, S. Scott Bullock, Jim Ward, and Kevin Michael Richardson

Operative K, Operative O, Operative L, Operative M and Agent Alpha are members of a secret governmental organization whose goal is to eliminate all ghosts and other paranormal beings on Earth. They wear white suits, black gloves, earpieces and black sunglasses as their primary uniform. Colloquially referred to as The Guys in White (spoofing the Men In Black), they are usually represented by Operatives K and O, who are tasked with capturing Danny Phantom. They are often incompetent and frequently bicker amongst themselves. They are highly prepared for any task, almost to the point of paranoia. A recurring gag is that, despite their immense dedication and resources, they always fail in capturing Danny. At one point, Danny asks why they are hunting him, to which they respond that while they are aware that he's good-hearted and has good intentions, he is also too powerful and dangerous to walk freely.

Masters' Blasters
Voiced by Colleen O'Shaughnessey, Dee Bradley Baker, and Rob Paulsen

Vid, Thrash, and Download are a trio of teen ghost hunters, created by Vlad to shame Danny and dethrone him as resident savior of Amity Park. They embodied everything that is radical and are often greedy, frequently demanding payment for their services from citizens. The Blasters are later betrayed by their employer when he reveals himself to be a half-ghost.

Valerie Gray

Valerie Gray (voiced by Grey DeLisle and later Cree Summer) is the series' main anti-heroine. Once a popular shallow girl, Valerie's life takes a turn for the worse when accidents caused by Cujo the ghost dog cost her father his job. Her mother is never seen or mentioned, probably because she and Valerie's father are divorced or she died. No longer living an average life, Valerie vowed revenge against all ghosts for ruining her life after being given a ghost hunting suit and gears from Vlad (unbeknownst to her at the time) Vlad employs her to do his bidding until she finds out that Vlad was a half-ghost and that he was manipulating her. She is hot-tempered, which often clouds her judgment, but slowly starts to realize a world beyond the superficial. She briefly strikes a romance with Danny Fenton, but clashes very often with his alter-ego.

Clockwork
Clockwork (voiced by David Carradine in the TV series and Piotr Michael in Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl 2) is a ghost who controls and keeps the flow of time. He is calm, tricky, and all-knowing. When asked by the Observants to kill Danny Fenton to prevent a future where his evil self wrecks the planet, Clockwork seemingly appears to be Danny's enemy. In reality, he is merely helping and urging him to make the right decisions so that he can prevent Danny's death by the Observants. Neutral, he does not fulfill every wish Danny desires, including altering past events. He only adjusts time as he sees fit, usually to teach Danny a lesson. He constantly changes his age and appearance from a child to adult to old man, which refers to his detachment from the time sequence. He currently owns the Fenton Thermos that contains Dark Danny.

Cujo
The Ghost Dog (nicknamed "Cujo") (voiced by S. Scott Bullock) is a playful ghost puppy. When angered, it can grow into a large, aggressive beast. In search for its squeaky toy, the ghost dog trashes the Axion Labs, costing Damon Gray, Valerie Gray's father, his job. This causes Valerie to vow a vendetta against all ghosts. After finding its toy, it disappeared. It does show up to visit Danny from time to time.

Dairy King
The Dairy King (voiced by S. Scott Bullock) is a ghost that used to live in Vlad Masters's mansion and now haunts it. The Dairy King is one of the first nice ghosts Danny meets, and all he wants is to be left alone. The Dairy King wears a crown with a large cheese under it. He has white hair and a white mustache. He wears a red robe and has a staff with ice cream on it.

Danielle "Dani" Phantom
Dani Phantom (also known as Danielle Phantom) (voiced by AnnaSophia Robb and later Krista Swan) is an imperfect clone of Danny Phantom, created by Vlad as a stepping stone to the perfect Danny clone. In her debut, Dani poses as Danny's cousin. Only one step behind him, Danielle's body is slowly-dissolving, but retains free will. She first works with Vlad until Danny convinces Danielle that she is nothing but a tool to Vlad. With that knowledge, she sides with Danny. She shares many of the same traits and interests as Danny, who serves as something of an older brother to her. In another episode, Danny and Valerie come to help her when she was captured by Vlad. She becomes stabilized by an invention Danny uses and after saying goodbye to them, flies off to parts unknown. The last time she is seen in the series is as part of the crowd of ghosts in "Phantom Planet". Butch Hartman has stated that sometime after the events of "Phantom Planet", Danielle's existence and origins were revealed to the rest of the Fentons, who subsequently opted to adopt her, making her Jack and Maddie's youngest daughter and child, and Danny and Jazz's younger sister; Hartman has also stated that this would have been shown on-screen had the show gotten a fourth season.

Frostbite
Frostbite (voiced by Bob Joles) is a jovial yeti-like ghost. He lives in the Far Frozen with his people, where they worship Danny Phantom for his defeat over Pariah Dark. He serves as a mentor figure to Danny and ultimately teaches him how to hone his ice powers. His people hold the Infi-Map, a map that can find any natural Ghost Portals.

Pandora
Pandora (voiced by April Stewart) is the creator and owner of "Pandora's Box". When Danny was powerless to stop the Box Ghost from creating havoc with the box, he entered her lair and asked her help in retrieving it back. She is a benevolent ghost who keeps the world less evil by keeping many malicious contents within her box, but can get aggressive when tampered with. She shares her name with the first woman from classical mythology.

Princess Dorathea
Princess Dora (voiced by Grey DeLisle and later Susan Blakeslee) is a beautiful princess whose magical amulet causes her to transform into a dragon. She is the younger sister of Prince Aragon. When she first emerged from the Ghost Zone, her despair over not being allowed to go the Princess ball by her mother caused her to turn into a dragon and fight Danny. The battle caused her to lose the amulet, which was worn by Paulina and later Sam, and caused both of them to turn into the ghost dragon. She later made a cameo in "Prisoners of Love", briefly chasing Sam and Tucker. Dora later appeared alongside the many ghosts fleeing Pariah Dark's army in "Reign Storm". Later she would return to the human world at the behest of her brother, Prince Aragon, who ordered her to seek out a human bride for him. She did so disguised as "Dora Mattingly", a beauty pageant organizer, and abducted Sam due to Danny inadvertently naming her winner of a beauty contest her. Due to the traditional role of a princess in her time, she was initially subservient to Aragon, but Sam later helped her realize that she had the power to fight against him, and she overthrew and banished her older brother with Danny's help.

Wulf
Wulf (voiced by Dee Bradley Baker) is a bipedal werewolf ghost, constantly on the run from Walker as an escaped prisoner. He has the ability to go into both the Earth and the Ghost Zone at will by slashing through dimensions with his claws. Wulf retains a loyal streak and was quick to befriend and trust Danny when he helped him. In return, he sacrificed his first freedom to save Danny (by ensuring a blast meant for Danny actually hit Walker, who Wulf was holding onto at the time). They eventually reunite where Danny helps him a second time and secures his freedom.

Despite Tucker's claim that Wulf speaks Esperanto, in most cases it is easy to see that he speaks Esperanto words with English word order, such as using the phrase "al meti" to mean "to put," equating the Esperanto preposition "al" with the English infinitive marker "to".

Klemper
Klemper (voiced by S. Scott Bullock) is a ghost seen in pajamas. He is desperate to get a friend, and continually asks "Will you be my friend?" If the subject denies him this, he turns violent and often uses an ice attack on the subject.

The Observants
The Observants (voiced by Dee Bradley Baker and Phil Morris) are a group of one-eyed ghost beings whose job is to observe the sequence of events in time. They are confined to viewing time in a linear manner, whereas their colleague Clockwork can view time in a multifaceted manner. In their first appearance, they are seen convincing Clockwork to prevent the creation of Dark Danny in the future, which they see as an inevitable event in their view of time, by destroying Danny Phantom in the present. Clockwork sidesteps this plan and helps Danny to destroy his evil self. They are also seen placing Vortex on trial in a later episode.

Recurring humans

 * Mr. Lancer (voiced by Ron Perlman) is the vice-principal and English, Math, Science and History teacher of Casper High. He is a very strict and stern teacher who tends to call out Danny because of his average grades and his lackluster interest in his job, but is also a well-meaning man who tries to make sure all his students do their best. He has a humorous habit of shouting out book titles when he is shocked or surprised in place of swear words. He also constantly tries to be "cool" by saying some rather tired "hip phrases". In the first two seasons, he acts very antagonistic to the point of often favoring the popular kids,  but in the third season he acts very serious and caring. He also used to be a male cheerleader when he attended Casper High. His personality in the series is similar to that of Seymour Skinner from The Simpsons and Mr. Mackey from South Park.
 * Dash Baxter (voiced by S. Scott Bullock) is the most popular boy in Casper High School. The star football quarterback and a basketball player, he often gets free leeway from the authorities at school due to his winning streak. However, Dash is a bully who frequently picks on Danny and anyone else smaller and less popular than himself. As an act of irony, his role model is Danny Phantom. His role in the series is similar to that of the Spider-Man character Flash Thompson and his personality is very similar to that of Kevin from Ed Edd n Eddy. He makes a cameo in The Fairly OddParents episode, "Fly Boy" (voiced by Jason Marsden).
 * Paulina Sanchez (voiced by Maria Canals-Barrera) is a 15-year-old Hispanic-American cheerleader and the most popular girl at Casper High School as well as Danny's crush for most of the series. She is beautiful yet self-centered, devious, and as Sam puts it, "a dime a dozen". Paulina has a crush on Danny Phantom after he saved her (frequently referring to him as "Inviso-Bill"), but could not care less for his alter ego, who had a crush on her during the first half of the series. In 2017, series creator Butch Hartman confirmed in a YouTube video, "107 Facts about Danny Phantom," that Paulina's last name is Sanchez.
 * Kwan (voiced by Dat Phan and later James Sie) is an Asian-American football player and Dash's best friend. Though he is popular and bullies the lesser known students as much as Dash, Kwan is a bit more reluctant. He possibly only wanted popularity so that he can feel a sense of belonging.
 * Star (voiced by Grey DeLisle and later Tara Strong) is another popular girl and cheerleader at Casper High who is Kwan's girlfriend and Paulina's best friend and also serves as her "satellite", constantly orbiting around her. She is maliciously blunt. She and Valerie are good friends.
 * Mikey (voiced by Dee Bradley Baker) is a small nerd in Casper High who is often the victim of the popular boys' bullying.
 * Nathan (voiced by Dee Bradley Baker) is another small nerd who is interested in Valerie. He was renamed Lester in “Claw of the Wild”.
 * Jeremy (voiced by S. Scott Bullock) and Pamela "Pam" Manson (voiced by Laraine Newman) are Sam's parents and the overall antithesis of their daughter, being a pair of super-optimistic socialites. They possess an enormous disdain of Sam's nonconformity and constantly try to steer her away from it. The Mansons have a rivalry with the Fenton parents.
 * Damon Gray (voiced by Phil Morris) is Valerie's father and faithful employee of Axion Labs until he was briefly fired. He is a calm, patient man who adores his daughter, but once he finds out about it, does not approve of her ghost fighting job.
 * Tiffany Snow (voiced by Tara Strong) is a reporter who remains cheery despite the often depressing news she delivers.
 * Lance Thunder (voiced by Dee Bradley Baker) is a weatherman who has reported about Ghosts several times. He constantly fidgets over his hair, and when he thinks he is off the air, argues with the fact that he has to be the one to report.
 * Principal Ishiyama (voiced by June Angela) is the Asian-American female principal of Casper High.

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Nigel Barker (photographer)

Nigel Barker (born 27 April 1972) is an English reality TV show personality, fashion photographer, author, spokesperson, filmmaker, and former model. He is best known for his participation as a judge and photographer on the reality show America's Next Top Model, and was the host of reality show The Face for the American series.

Early life
Barker was born in London. His mother, who is Sri Lankan, was a former Miss Sri Lanka contestant before immigrating to the United Kingdom. She played a significant role in forming his respect for the modeling profession as he grew up, and has stated that she used her success in modelling to bring her family to the United Kingdom. Barker grew up in a family with five siblings from a total of three marriages, and lived there until he was 18. He attended Bryanston School, a boarding school, where he took his A-levels in biology, chemistry, and physics.

Career
Barker planned to continue his studies in medicine, but his mother entered him into a televised model search on The Clothes Show. He was a finalist on the show, which started his modeling career. He modeled for around 10 years in London, Milan, Paris and New York City. As a young model, he observed that the fashion industry was changing—that "models were shrinking and a 6’4" well-built male model was not selling". In 1996, he transitioned himself from model to fashion photographer.

Barker opened a photo studio, StudioNB, in Manhattan's now fashionable Meatpacking District. He has shot editorials for GQ, Interview, Seventeen, Town & Country, Lucky, Tatler, and Cover, and advertising campaigns for Land's End, Leviev, Nicole Miller, Nine West, Ted Baker, Jordache, Pamella Rolland, Beefeater, Ford, and Sony.

Barker was a judge for 17 cycles on Tyra Banks's reality show America's Next Top Model. Barker expresses that after his post on the reality competition's judging panel, he'll have more time to focus on other ventures, including a cosmetics line, skincare line for men and a return to TV. He was also a judge for the 2007 Miss America Pageant and the 2012 Miss Universe Pageant. He is executive producer of the VH1 photography-based reality contest The Shot. In 2013 Barker became the host of The Face.

Barker made special appearances as a photographer on the third cycle of Canada's Next Top Model and in Episode 10 of the first cycle of New Zealand's Next Top Model. He appeared as guest judge and photographer on the first cycle of Mexico's Next Top Model, and made a guest appearance on the second cycle of Benelux' Next Top Model.

His directorial debut was a documentary that he also produced called A Sealed Fate?. It was followed by Generation Free and Haiti: Hunger and Hope, which partner with The Humane Society of the United States, the Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation and the Edeyo Foundation to highlight their respective issues. Barker is also a celebrity ambassador for the Make-A-Wish Foundation, Do Something, The United Nation Foundation's Girl Up initiative, and a campaign shooter for Fashion Targets Breast Cancer.

Barker is a spokesperson for prominent brands, including Microsoft, Sony, Crest White Strips and Nine West. He appeared alongside Justin Timberlake and Peyton Manning in Sony's 2010 national ad campaign. He has done television and feature film cameos, event hosting and presenting. Barker appeared as a celebrity judge for the 2008 Miss America Pageant and had cameo roles on several TV series, including The Young and the Restless, Privileged, Stylista, Style Her Famous and Ugly Betty, as well as a cameo role in the feature film Arthur (2011), with Jennifer Garner, Russell Brand, Nick Nolte and Helen Mirren. He has hosted and presented at many events including the 2007, 2008 and 2010 Emmy awards on Fox Broadcasting Company, the 2008 and 2009 Go Green galas in New York City, the Genesis Awards and the 2010 Global Fashion Awards. In 2017 Barker became New Zealand winery Invivo's official "glambassador". Barker published a book on beauty, Nigel Barker's Beauty Equation: Revealing a Better and More Beautiful You, released September 2010 from Abrams Image.

In 2009 Barker opened a photography exhibit, Haiti: Hunger and Hope, at the Milk Gallery in New York City. His work in Haiti earned him a Do Something with Style Award nomination from the VH1 Do Something Awards. The awards show, produced by Vh1, is organised by Do Something, an organization for young people.

Barker teamed up with Taylor Swift to shoot a photobook of her titled 8 hours which made its debut in November 2012. In September 2013 Barker shot Nadia Lacka, Liliane Ferrarezi, Jordan & Zac Stenmark in 'Bedtime Stories' featured in the September issue of Numero Russia.

In 2016 he was one of the guest judges in the final of Miss USA 2016 in T-Mobile Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States. Also in 2016 Barker teamed up with Adorama on a new web series, "Top Photographer", which drew its inspiration from "Top Model". The season's winner was Academy of Art University alumni Scott Borrero.

In 2017, 2018 and 2019 he joined Holland's Next Top Model (cycles 10–12) as a judge. In 2018 he joined the judging panel for the first season of Curvy Supermodel, the spin-off of Holland's Next Top Model.

Personal life
Barker is married to Cristen Chin, a model and CoverGirl representative since 1999. The pair met in Milan through Cristen's agent; and for Barker, it was love at first sight. The couple reside in New York City with their two children Jack and Jasmine, and dog, Memphis.

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Delete - vanity Greg321 23:22, 12 October 2005 (UTC) Get rid of it. It's complete vanity publishing.
 * Delete Alexa rank over 150,000 . Parts of the article seem to be stolen from .  --best, kevin  · · · Kzollman | Talk · · · 01:23, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * delete - (give it the red card). --bodnotbod 05:37, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

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I am busy elsewhere and am not likely to spend much time here again for the foreseeable future. I have also run out of patience with the high and rising number of idiots and malevolents and feel now, after several years of more or less positive experiences, that this is in fact a waste of time.HeartofaDog (talk) 00:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

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Dustin Kensrue

Dustin Michael Kensrue (pronounced KENZ-roo) is a musician, singer and songwriter. He is the lead vocalist and rhythm guitarist in the rock band Thrice, as well as a solo artist.

2007: Please Come Home
On October 10, 2006, it was announced that Kensrue had signed with Equal Vision Records, and that the label would release Kensrue's debut solo album. On January 23, 2007, Kensrue released a solo album titled Please Come Home on Equal Vision Records. He wrapped up the recording and mixing of the album at the home of fellow Thrice member Teppei Teranishi. The album opened at 142 on the Billboard 200 with 5,800 copies sold the first week. He supported the album with a solo tour including stops on the Late Show with David Letterman, The Tonight Show with Jay Leno and The Fuse Network. Please Come Home met with mostly favorable reviews from critics, who have compared Kensrue musically to singer/songwriter Ryan Adams and Johnny Cash.

Kensrue intended to donate 5% of the proceeds from Please Come Home to a non-profit organization called To Write Love on Her Arms. In the press release, Kensrue explained the choice: "To Write Love on Her Arms is a nonprofit movement dedicated to presenting hope and finding help for those struggling with clinical depression, addiction, self-injury and suicide. To Write Love on Her Arms began in March 2006 as a written story and an attempt to raise money for one girl's treatment. T-shirts were printed and a MySpace page was created to serve as home base for the story. Excitement spread quickly throughout MySpace and the independent music community. For 2007, TWLOHA is aiming to raise $100k for treatment and recovery. This comes in addition to online counseling and continued efforts to creatively present hope and raise awareness. TWLOHA is a fitting choice for Please Come Home. The album lyrically exudes redemption, personal worth, love, acceptance, and hope. “I try to be an artist who aspires to find hope even in dark places: If I’m down, I don’t want to bring people down to that place with me. I’m looking for a way out," says Kensrue.

2008: This Good Night Is Still Everywhere
On October 14, 2008, Kensrue said this on the official Thrice website - "I just finished my Christmas record. I haven’t really mentioned it because  (a).  I’ve been spending all my time working on it, and (b). I wasn’t totally sure I would finish it in time to come out this year.  But, last night I finished it up and Teppei is finishing the mixes tonight.  It’s going to be an online release only and will hopefully be out in mid-November sometime.   The title is “This Good Night Is Still Everywhere” and it contains 8 covers and 2 Christmas originals.  I love Christmas music so it was a lot of fun to do this and I’m glad I get to share it with you guys." "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)" was posted on Kensrue's website on November 15. This Good Night Is Still Everywhere was released digitally through Vagrant Records on November 18.

Kensrue also added vocals in the song "The Contender" on the album "Pierce the Empire With a Sound" by experimental act The Out Circuit released on February 12, 2008. A music video for "This Is War" was released in December 2009.

2013: The Water & the Blood
On October 1, 2013, Kensrue released his third studio album The Water & the Blood, which includes the song "It's Not Enough" and "Grace Alone". The project is a collection of mostly original corporate worship songs written while he was the Worship Pastor of Mars Hill Church Bellevue and intended to be sung at church. According to Kensrue, "all the lyrics of the record are very, very rooted in Scripture", and added: "There is power in the Word of God. As much as you stick close to that, there is power in the lyrics as well." The album debuted at No. 4 on the Billboard Christian chart and No. 52 on Billboard 200, selling 7,000 copies in its first week.

2015: Carry the Fire
On April 21, 2015, Kensrue released his fourth solo project, Carry the Fire, which includes the song "Back to Back". The album debuted at No. 110 on Billboard 200, and No. 18 on the Top Rock Albums chart.

2016: Thoughts That Float on a Different Blood
His fifth album, a live album of cover songs, Thoughts That Float on a Different Blood, was released on March 18, 2016, with Vagrant Records, and this album charted on three Billboard magazine charts. He also released an EP, More Thoughts That Float on a Different Blood, on November 25, 2016, on 7-inch vinyl for Record Store Day.

Religious views and leadership
Kensrue has talked with many publications about his Christian faith, and holds a monergistic view of Christianity. He has a tattoo of Proverbs 9:10a ("The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom") written in Hebrew on his left forearm.

In 2011, Kensrue became a deacon of the Mars Hill Church plant in Orange County, and in 2012 Mars Hill announced that Kensrue would become the worship leader for the campus located in Bellevue, Washington, and be involved in coordinating worship music across their churches. In October 2014, Kensrue resigned amid controversy surrounding pastor Mark Driscoll, returning to California with his family.

The Modern Post
In 2012, Kensrue formed the band The Modern Post at the Mars Hill Church in Orange County, California. The band members include brothers Phil and Lee Neujahr on bass and drums, and Jonny Sandu on keyboard. They released the EP Grace Alone in 2012. The band also re-recorded the songs from Kensrue's solo project The Water & the Blood in a live setting, and released as The Water & the Blood (Acoustic Sessions).

In July 2014, Kensrue announced that he was working on a follow-up to This Good Night with a five-track Christmas EP including a re-working of "This Is War". The EP, titled Lowborn King was released from The Modern Post on November 24, 2014.

Personal life
Kensrue and Shadlie Ruby Smith married in 2002 and went on to have three daughters together.

His younger brother, Chase Kensrue, played guitar and piano for the band Eye Alaska.

Extended plays

 * 2012: Grace Alone EP (The Modern Post)
 * 2014: Lowborn King EP (The Modern Post)
 * 2016: More Thoughts That Float On A Different Blood (Dustin Kensrue)

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Bristol Aerodrome

Bristol Aerodrome is a small private airfield located adjacent to Bristol, New Brunswick, Canada.

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Not very blatant website promtion, but alexa rank: No Data. Not notable page. feydey 23:24, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Doesn't appear to be notable. -- Captain Disdain 00:09, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. I posted this, but I understand the desire to only include highly-ranked sites. Since the site has just opened, I will repost when/if it becomes more popular (which I expect it will, because I believe it to be a useful new tool for genealogists). Unsigned comment by User:68.50.47.207 (who is indeed the author of the article as claimed). — CB
 * Delete per nom and author. Chick Bowen 19:50, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

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Society Party (Norway)

The Society Party (Norwegian: Samfunnspartiet) is a self-proclaimed anarchist political party in Norway. The party was founded by Øystein Meier Johannessen in 1985.

Its focus is on Northern Norway-related issues. The party also sympathises with the Palestinians in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. If Norway joins the European Union, the Society Party states that it will work for North-Norwegian secession from Norway.

The party has been involved in several controversies. In 2005, Meier Johannesen placed a van which in Arabic proclaimed "God is great! Jihad continues until the Jews are out of Palestine. Dust you are and to dust you will return" outside of national broadcasting company NRK's facilities, and was sentenced to 30 days in jail for the stunt. The party has also been listing famous people, including comedian Otto Jespersen and bishop Øystein I. Larsen, for local and national election against their will. Defense attorney Tor Erling Staff was a member of the party and ran for election several times. In the 2013 parliamentary elections, the party obtained 295 votes. Bjørn Dahl is the new leader of the party and a candidate running for the 2021 Norwegian parliamentary election.

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Huntersville, West Virginia

Huntersville is a census-designated place (CDP) located in Pocahontas County, West Virginia, United States in the Alleghany Mountains. As of the 2010 census, its population was 73. It is located six miles east of Marlinton and four miles west of Minnehaha Springs. Huntersville received its name because it was a rendezvous for trappers and hunters who came to trade pelts for supplies. It served as the county seat of Pocahontas County until 1891 when the county's residents voted to move the seat to Marlinton. A local newspaper called The Pocahontas Times is distributed in the area.

Huntersville has many sporting opportunities. Because of its proximity to Knapps Creek flowing nearby, fishermen can catch trout, bass, sun perch, and other fish. Native brook trout streams are also tucked away in quiet places close to the town. Hunting is a big tradition that still lives on in this community because of the vast stretches of Monongahela National Forest that borders the town.

The Huntersville Presbyterian Church was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1978.

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