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Break the mold!
This article could be expanded quite a bit, to break away from the dry census-laden articles that define most communities in Ohio on Wikipedia. For ideas on how possibly to expand it, look at what's been done with articles at Toledo, Ohio; Bellefontaine, Ohio; and Streetsboro, Ohio. (No need to follow those articles exactly; feel free to be creative.) -- SwissCelt 03:46, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

The University of Findlay
I think the University of Findlay should get more than a trivia mention here. Any takers? -- SwissCelt 06:04, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

I think Owens has more communist spirit than FU. Take that!

Notable Natives
I added a Notable Natives section because MoS discourages generic Trivia sections. -Oatmeal batman 20:44, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

(replacing to better match the mark metcalf article; i would venture to say that playing a large role in one of the most famous music videos ever made trumps 2 small seinfeld appearances) On the subject of Mark Metcalf...

Seriously, does anyone other than our resident Bill & Ted head, VBDrummer, think that a Twisted Sister music video is still relevant? Especially considering that Mark Metcalf's role in the music video was the same as his aforementioned movie role (Neidermeyer).

Are we seriously comparing two music videos from the "hair band" era, to two episodes from the greatest TV show of all time? Check out a list of Seinfeld Awards.

--OilerBuck 17:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

 * OK, I'll bite. I should have been more clear about just what in the Mark Metcalf I was trying to match; I decided to take items from the lead paragraph in the article, on the premise that the leading bits would be most notable or important. As for your above comment, I don't really like how close you came to ad hominem when you were referring to me. For the record, I'm not a big fan of the Bill and Ted movies, and if you're trying to equate me with their stoner/slacker stereotype, I'm afraid you're sorely mistaken (I also loathe hair metal, but that doesn't change the fact that the music video in question is sill famous). But back to the article, the main criterion I used here is this: only big Seinfeld fans would know The Maestro right off the bat, but even semi-casual music fans who grew up in the 1980s (and I'm not one of them) would know the music video in question. Simply put, yes, I do think that the music videos in this discussion are more notable than the Seinfeld episodes. Vbdrummer0 21:04, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

 * I would argue against blindly inserting only information from the first paragraph of referenced pages. Not all pages on Wikipedia are well-formed, with a true introduction paragraph. The Mark Metcalf page is a great example of a page with good information but very average structure. In fact, I think it's reasonable to argue that the inclusion of the "Twisted Sister" music videos into the first paragraph of the Metcalf bio was primarily the product of an opportunity to segue from his most widely-known role, as Neidermeyer.

 * If the “first paragraph” argument was the only one you made, I would have no problem respectfully disagreeing. When you make an argument that implies that "Twisted Sister" has more influence on modern society than Jerry Seinfeld, however, I just can’t let that pass.

 * As someone who grew up in the 80’s, I never realized that Neidermeyer (Metcalf) played a part in ANY music video. That is due to the fact that these videos were released under a niche genre (heavy metal) and to a niche audience (early MTV fans) in 1984. Most of the audience, who would have been impacted by the videos, would probably already be familiar with him from “Animal House”. What percentage of individuals would you estimate know of Mark Metcalf ONLY as the guy who was on “I Wanna Rock” or “We’re Not Gonna Take It”?

 * Thanks to the magic of television syndication, a decade after it was released, “The Maestro” will be on television May 23rd, 2007 on TBS at 6:30. With an entire episode titled after and featuring the character that is played by Mark Metcalf, I think it’s reasonable to label him a significant part of the series (Tribbles on “Star Trek”, anyone?). Post the next time (in 2007) I can watch a “Twisted Sister” video on national TV and we’ll call this a draw.

 * When combined with “Animal House”, a reference to “Seinfeld” covers a wider audience than a reference to “Twisted Sister”. Because of the effects of audience overlap, I could even argue that a reference to his roles in “Buffy, The Vampire Slayer” would be more relevant than the music videos.--OilerBuck 12:16, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Moving off Metcalf, the article on Ray Harroun gives his birthplace as Spartansburg, Pennsylvania, which I assume is true, although I don't know. If it is, it might be a good idea to mention on the Findlay page that he wasn't born there, but later made his home there (or whatever the case is). I'd consider the heading "Notable natives" to refer to people born in Findlay. Maybe "Notable residents" would be more applicable? Vbdrummer0 17:28, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I like residents better and cleaned up the section a bit. Ruhrfisch ><> ° ° 18:28, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I changed it, in light of no opposition to the idea. Vbdrummer0 17:28, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Sex Offenders
Anyone have an opinion on the relevance of the mention of 50 sex offenders within the city limits? I don't think that's an unusually large amount, and if it is, it shouldve been mentioned in the article. I'm keen on removing it, personally, unless I'm missing something. -- Vbdrummer0 15:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Seems an unnecessary mention to me. My vote is for removal. -- Pepsi2786 08:50, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm going to go ahead and comment it out for now. If people decide it should stay in, anyone's free to remove the tags. Vbdrummer0 15:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Flood Section
I went through and made some minor edits on the flood section. Perhaps someone could increase it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Lynching
I just reverted the addition of a big block of text on a lynching in the 1890s, apparently added from the New York Times, see diff. While I do not doubt it happened, the blcok of text seemed very unencyclopedic - no context / intro, just the lynching (and some info on his crime told within the article). For an article that does not mention the Gas Boom in its history, this much on a lynching does not seem balanced - perhaps a sentence or two. Ruhrfisch ><> ° ° 03:21, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

 * The problem with Lynch Crimes is that Lynch Mobs - both the organized variety such as the Ku Klux Klan, and the unorganized variety like the ordinary Posse Comitatus groups - operated exactly like today's al Qaeda. That is, they were Secret Societies that operated - knowingly - beyond the law when they were raised in areas of the USA that already had organized law enforcement and justice operations. That being the case, they operated through fear and terror, and so people talked about their operations at the risk of their own lives. Reporters that went nosing around these groups in search of background or detail often dissapeared, and - if they were ever found - it was because the group wanted them found as a message to other reporters to stay away and mind their business. Even today, the information that can be found on the thousands of Lynchings that took place between the establishment of American newspeprs and the current day most often consists of not more than of a few column-inches of space in a single daily paper, often buried deep inside the paper instead of the front page. That said, it fell to the good offices of the NAACP and Tuskeege Institute to formally document - as best as possible - the number of lynchings that took place from the moment they formalized their decision, and the current day, and even they cannot aggree on the number of actual lynchings that have taken place, or the details therein. So far, there is only one publication from the popular press that even discusses the subject - 100 YEARS OF LYNCHINGS by Ralph Ginsburg, isbn 978-0-933121-18-8 and isbn 0-933121-08-0, and | Project HAL (Historical American Lynching), which is an on-line data collection project designed to collect as much as possible on the subject for archival purposes. They started by copying the records at Tuskeege Institute, which includes the NAACP records, and they function much like Wikipedia does in that they welcome assistance from the public on the web.

NAACP DEFINITION OF LYNCHING

"Lynching" historically includes not only Southern lynching but frontier lynching and vigilantism nationwide and many labor-related incidents. Persons of any race or ethnicity and either gender may have been either perpetrators or victims of lynching.

What follows is the NAACP definition for including an incident in the inventory of lynchings:

 * 1) There must be evidence that someone was killed;

 * 2) The killing must have occurred illegally;

 * 3) Three or more persons must have taken part in the killing; and

 * 4) The killers must have claimed to be serving justice or tradition.

 * Source: | Project HAL

That said, I must ask you to restore the information because - after an intense search for the information from more than one source - I must report that the information I presented - which was modified only in re-wording it from a newspaper current event to one of historical significance, it remains the only original source. Indeed, the one reason why you may not have found it on-line is that I subscribe to the New York Times online archives, and thus have direct access to articles that date back to the 1850's that are not found otherwise beyond the first paragraph. SSG Cornelius Seon (Retired) (talk) 13:41, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

 * First off, I am not disputing that this lynching took place and I am fine with including a sentence or two about it in the article. However, the large amount of text that was added had several problems with it. First and foremost, I believe it was a violation of WP:NPOV, see speicfically Weight, and I quote: An article should not give undue weight to any aspects of the subject, but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject. Note that undue weight can be given in several ways, including, but not limited to, depth of detail, quantity of text, prominence of placement, and juxtaposition of statements. I think this should be part of the History section (not its own subsection) and suggest something like:

On March 31 1892, the only known lynching in the history of Hancock County occurred when a mob of 1,000 men, many "respectable citizens", broke into the county jail in Findlay. They lynched Mr. Lytle, who had fatally injured his wife and two daughters with a hatchet the day before, by hanging him twice (first from the bridge, then a telegraph pole) and finally shooting his body over a dozen times.

What do you think? I am adding this to the history section for now. Ruhrfisch ><> ° ° 16:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

 * O.K., but I added an additional sentence that showed what the Law Enforcement had intended for the criminal, and how that was frustrated by the illegal action by the mob.SSG Cornelius Seon (Retired) (talk) 19:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Part of this section doesn't quite make sense now. It talks of plans for the prisoner to be transported to a suburb then to Lima, but Findlay doesn't have any true suburbs even today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.189.241.2 (talk) 00:24, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Here is a source for "suburb":. And here's an accessible source for the wife and daughters surviving the attack:. Kendall-K1 (talk) 00:48, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Expansion Suggestion
One possible way to expand this article is to include a "cityscape" section describing the various different areas and neighborhoods within the city, (i.e. south end and historic S. Main St., downtown, Tiffin Ave. and "out east", the north side and the developing Trenton Ave., etc.) identifying key characteristics, subdivisions, parks, landmarks, and other points of interest within each area. Thoughts?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.131.229.22 (talk) 18:29, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What are the reliable sources for this? Another way would be to add some history. Ruhrfisch ><> ° ° 19:28, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Yea, but history is boring. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.142.217.78 (talk) 06:36, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Mayor?
O.K. This is a new post. I'm wondering who the h-ll Billy Krey is? They think it is our mayor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mieures4 (talk • contribs) 23:16, August 15, 2009

 * Thanks for the heads up - I fixed it and added a ref. Ruhrfisch ><> ° ° 23:27, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Fastest growing city?
With an estimated drop in population for 2008 over the 2000 census of almost 2000 people? Is the historical populations section wrong or are the "fastest growing" comments outdated/wishful thinking? --Seodoa (talk) 02:15, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure where you got your estimates from, but this "drop" in population didn't happen. According to the USCB, Findlay grew to 41,000+ residents in 2010. It was at one time one of the fastest growing communities in the nation, and while it no longer holds that title, it is fair to say that the city is still experiencing substantial growth despite population stagnation throughout most of Northwest Ohio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.131.204.245 (talk) 04:36, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

I removed that statement, because there's no citation. It's unlikely there will ever be a citation, since it isn't true. The "fastest-growing" rumor is just an urban legend. It's just some nonsense the real estate agents say to clients from out of town. I lived in Findlay for 7 years, and there was never a source for this information beyond some nonspecific episode of Jeopardy. Jeopardy has some notability standards for its question clues, and this obscure small American city would never make the cut. You can even search the Jeopardy clue archive at http://j-archive.com/ to try to find it. Wikipedia is where rumors go to die, not where they get unjustifiable support as encyclopedic-seeming facts.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.24.203.87 (talk) 20:20, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

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Lamont Paris
I fixed the entry for Lamont Paris but did not attempt to verify the info. I will not object if someone wants to remove this entry. Kendall-K1 (talk) 16:42, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

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That the rains of Aimeliik are caused by its location on Chuab's anatomy might not be true, but it is still widely believed and notable enough to remain on the article non-deleted. It's a short article as it is, so deleting notable info is quite counter-productive.

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Horst Skoff (22 August 1968 – 7 June 2008) was a professional tennis player from Austria, who won four tournaments at the top-level.

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Skoff was born in Klagenfurt, Austria, and started playing tennis at age 6. In 1984 he won the singles title at the 16-and-under category of the Orange Bowl. He turned professional in 1985. Skoff won his first top-level singles title in 1988 at Athens. Over the course of his career he won four top-level singles titles and two tour doubles titles. His career-high rankings were world No. 18 in singles and world No. 70 in doubles. His career prize money totalled US$1,651,858.

Skoff played on Austria's Davis Cup team for nine years, compiling a 22–17 win–loss record. He helped the team reach the World Group semi-finals in 1990. Memorable Davis Cup rubbers which Skoff was involved in include a five-set win over world No. 2 Mats Wilander in the 1989 quarterfinal that lasted more than six hours; and a five-set loss to Michael Chang in the 1990 semifinal.

Despite Skoff's relative success during his career of winning four top-level tournaments, his memorable Davis Cup moments, and reaching a career high world ranking of 18 in singles competition, he never managed to progress beyond the second round at any Grand Slam event.

Skoff played in his last top-level tournament in August 1995, at the San Marino Open. From 1996–1999, due to his lower world ranking, Skoff played in challenger and futures tournaments. He retired in August 1999, after playing his last match in Sylt, Germany.

Skoff died on 7 June 2008 in Hamburg, Germany, following a heart attack at age 39.

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Bagna càuda

Bagna càuda (lit. 'hot dip' or 'hot gravy'), also spelled bagna caouda in Alpes-Maritimes, is a hot dish made with garlic and anchovies, typical of Lower Piedmont, a geographical region of Piedmont, Italy, and Provence, France. The dish is served and consumed in a manner similar to fondue, sometimes as an appetizer, with raw or cooked vegetables typically used to dip into it.

Overview
Bagna càuda is a hot dish and dipping sauce in Piedmontese and Provençal cuisine that is used to dip vegetables in. It is prepared using olive oil, chopped anchovies and garlic. Additional ingredients sometimes used include truffle and salt. Raw or cooked vegetables are dipped into the sauce, which is typically kept hot on a serving table using a heat source such as a candle or burner.

Cardoon (edible thistle) is often dipped in the sauce. Additional foods used to dip into it include cabbage, celery, carrot, Jerusalem artichoke, pepper, fennel, and bread. It is sometimes served as an appetizer.

In the past, walnut or hazelnut oil would have been used. Sometimes, truffles are used in versions around the Italian comune (municipality) of Alba, in the Piedmont region. It is traditionally eaten during the autumn and winter months, particularly at Christmas and New Year's, and must be served hot, as the name suggests.

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It is also a popular winter dish in central Argentina and prevalent in Clinton, Indiana; Rock Springs, Wyoming; and Benld, Illinois; as there were many northern Italian immigrants to those places. Bagna càuda was also prepared in the coal-mining community of Madison County, Illinois (including Collinsville, Edwardsville and Maryville), due to the numerous Italian immigrants that came there to work in the mines.

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Bagna càuda has been a part of Piedmontese cuisine since the 16th century. The recipe is typical of Lower Piedmont, a geographical region of Piedmont, Italy, as in past centuries in that area it was very easy to obtain the salted anchovy, the fundamental ingredient, still used today in many typical Piedmontese recipes, especially among appetizers, for example, the anciove al bagnet verd or al bagnèt ross. Ancient Piedmont obtained its salt from the saline of Provence and the mouths of the Rhône, through a series of commercial routes crossing the passes of the Maritime Alps and known as "salt roads"; in fact at the time Nice and its surroundings were territory Savoyard. Legend has it that the trade in salted anchovies was a way to trade salt, thus avoiding paying the high duties: tubs full of salt presented a layer of salted anchovies in the upper part to the control of the tax collectors. In reality, throughout the Piedmont of the old regime, the salt gabelle was a compulsory tax and not linked to consumption. Not only that, salted anchovies were much more expensive and their price was sustainable only in relation to the modest purchase quantities. The "anchovy seller" (ancióaire in Piedmontese language) was the itinerant merchant who with the typical cart pulled by horses or oxen brought the anchovies in barrels and wooden casks.

The bagna càuda was rejected for a long time by the wealthier classes, who considered it a coarse food and unsuitable for a refined diet, in particular, due to the presence of garlic and the effects of its intake on the breath, where it remains for a considerable time (in some cases even up to twenty-four hours). For this reason, written information about this dish is rather rare in Piedmontese gastronomic texts. The first detailed description of the bagna càuda in its current version is due to Roberto Sacchetti and dates back to 1875.

Similar dishes
Pinzimonio is a similar dipping sauce prepared using olive oil, salt, pepper and occasionally wine vinegar, which is served with raw vegetables and is typically served cold.

Anchoïade is a similar dish served in France.

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The arrangement is not in order of year ascending
Can someone please correct it Raymondjohn1234 16:37, 28 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raymondjohn1234 (talk • contribs)

 * it's a self-sorting table by either year or alphabetical. You have to click the section header. MartinezMD (talk) 18:35, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Dystopian Films?
I am attempting clean this list up of films that, by their own admission, do not belong on this list. For instance the page for the film 'The Terminator' does not state anywhere that the film is depicts or is thematically a dystopian film, but a post-apocalyptic one, therefore do not belong on this list.Mborchardt1977 (talk) 03:37, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

 * You are missing the sources in this article that support the films being on the list. MarnetteD|Talk 04:09, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

I get that but if an author writes and publishes a book and then along comes another person and lists this particular book in their list of Top Ten door stops, you wouldn't site this book as a door stop. Their isn't a single mention of these films being dystopian films on these sites' pages, so they simply aren't right? I mean it would be different if their page was sited as being a dystopian film but their not. Mborchardt1977 (talk) 04:14, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * There is a huge overlap between dystopian and post-apocalyptic fiction. For example, all the Mad Max films are dystopic fiction but the first one isn't post-apocalyptic. Off hand I cannot think of any post-apocalyptic films that are not dystopic. The Category:Post-apocalyptic films is even a sub-category of Category:Dystopian films. Betty Logan (talk) 04:25, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

You are totally correct in that they do share some similarities but the bulk of them do not. Such as 'The Terminator' would be a post-apocalyptic film as there is not a society of any kind established within the film, where 'Blade Runner' is a dystopian film as society's state is from a natural evolution taken to it's current point in time and was not driven by an event involving destruction/damage on a catastrophic scale. Now a film, such as, 'Planet of the Apes' is both. Where we are to believe that humanity suffered an apocalyptic event in the past and natural evolution of the species propagated apes to sentience allowing them to create a society that would seem dystopic from the humans point of view. The 'Mad Max' franchise is a good argument for both as well. In any case, these are not my opinions driving the edits but the homepage for these films' own descriptions.Mborchardt1977 (talk) 04:38, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

 * You are still missing the fact that all of the films on this list have a source. Wikipedia operates on info from WP:SECONDARY sources not on an editors personal interpretation. MarnetteD|Talk 04:46, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

 * So you're saying that it doesn't matter what it is self identified as, as long as someone with a website claims it one thing than that's what matters? So I can write an article on these films, contradicting the Wikipedia page, and post it on my weekly site on ScreenRant and that's fact? These "references" you are clinging to are other people's opinions to begin with.Mborchardt1977 (talk) 05:08, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * They're reliable secondary sources, and it's usually from many of them that films are labeled as dystopian, or as anything for that matter. El Millo (talk) 05:10, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Wow, you really, really don't understand how Wikipedia works at all do you? We don't take opinions from anyone "with a website". We go by WP:RS. In short, if you were an established critic or film scholar writing for a notable publication (one that meets the criteria over at WP:RS), then yes, you could write a contradictory genre for the film, and then cite it. We might even be able to add information about how different notable critics had varying opinions about genre. But you're (presumably) not an established writer at such a site, so your personal interpretation is meaningless. Someone needs to go through and mass revert this user's edits. Damien Linnane (talk) 05:15, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I was just trying to clear up some things. I figured that if the reference was that important than it would have been sited on the films own Wikipedia page and not just thrown on this list. That this list was populated by the films own verified information from it's own page. Seems contradictory to me.

On a related note, Mborchardt categorized multiple films as Dystopian that didn't have any clear indication of being such in their respective article text. I've done some work to unwind that, but more hands would be helpful. If post-apocalyptic is a subcat of dystopian, that's...debatable to me...but post-apocalyptic can be added as a category on its own merits, if supported by article text, without dystopian being added as well; in fact, if post-apocalyptic is a subcat then dystopian arguably shouldn't be added as it's a parent cat, and dystopian isn't indicated as being non-diffusing. DonIago (talk) 05:27, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

 * What do you mean "multiple films as Dystopian that didn't have any clear indication of being such in their respective article text." I'm not creating anything new or adding anything new. Just organizing this debatable list. The only "verification" that's needed is that it's on this list. The list's existence claims that these films are dystopian and site the years they were released in, therefore they can be categorized as being a dystopian film created in a particular decade, can they not?Mborchardt1977 (talk) 17:53, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * As I mentioned at your Talk page, please review WP:CATV; an article having an entry here is insufficient for adding dystopian film categories to the article itself. The article needs its own text discussing how it is a dystopian film, with an appropriate source (which you may be able to find here). DonIago (talk) 03:11, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It is easy enough to add missing cites, and rather than removing the entry, it is more appropriate to simply tag them as needing a citation with and you will see . I reverted your edit and added cites. If I missed some, tag them so that editors have the opportunity to add the cites. MartinezMD (talk) 03:54, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, your use of the phrase "more appropriate" is, to the best of my knowledge, inaccurate. From WP:CHALLENGE - "Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source." It may not be the nicest approach to remove uncited material, nor 'best practice', but there's no policy or guideline I'm aware of that refers to "appropriateness". Regards. DonIago (talk) 05:25, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * From an editing standpoint, it is better to fix a problem instead of delete something valuable. See WP:BABY which, while not an official policy, is an essay discussing something I would regard as common sense. Also, the official policy at WP:NOCITE says "In any other case consider finding references yourself, or commenting on the article talk page or the talk page of the editor who added the unsourced material. You may place a or  tag against the added text." MartinezMD (talk) 05:36, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

should this film be in the list
Fido_(film) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:80C:8800:F5EF:19D9:3833:99D6 (talk) 18:32, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

 * It doesn't sound dystopian from the plot description. Looks more like zombie comedy along the lines of Zombieland but without an apocalypse. MartinezMD (talk) 18:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Another film to consider - The Stranger (1973 film), an NBC made-for-TV film. Wiki has a long description. 2600:1700:E420:2E50:DC7A:E89C:3677:CDB4 (talk) 09:15, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks like it to me. Add it to the article. MartinezMD (talk) 16:07, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * We should be going by what reliable sources say, not exercising our own judgment. DonIago (talk) 17:26, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * As editors, we can use some judgement, see WP:Consensus. When disputed, policies like WP:RS do supersede it. That aside, there are at least one or two sources tagging is as dystopian. MartinezMD (talk) 18:16, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Where is Starship Troopers?
... Dturb (talk) 13:59, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

 * Waiting for you to add it with a reliable source? DonIago (talk) 14:34, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

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Stanley Kubrick: A Life in Pictures

Stanley Kubrick: A Life in Pictures is a 2001 documentary about the life and work of Stanley Kubrick, famed film director, made by his long-time assistant and brother-in-law Jan Harlan.

Summary
With its running time of 142 minutes long, it consists of several 15-minute chapters, each detailing the making of one of his films – and two more showing his childhood and life.

Jan Harlan got many of Kubrick's collaborators for interviews, including Tom Cruise, Nicole Kidman, Keir Dullea, Arthur C. Clarke, Malcolm McDowell, Peter Ustinov, Jack Nicholson, György Ligeti and Matthew Modine. It also has interviews from film directors who were inspired by Kubrick such as Woody Allen, Steven Spielberg, Martin Scorsese and Sydney Pollack.

The film contains some rare footage, including from the Kubrick family home videos and on film sets, and clips from Fear and Desire - Kubrick's first feature-length film.

Release
It was released on DVD on October 23, 2007, and was featured on the tenth disc of Stanley Kubrick: The Essential Collection and Stanley Kubrick: Limited Edition Collection DVD and Blu-ray released May 31, 2011, respectively. The documentary was also bundled in a box set of some of Kubrick's other films released January 22, 2008.

Music
The soundtrack of the film is by composer and musician Jocelyn Pook, who had previously worked with Kubrick on Eyes Wide Shut (1999).

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This page has been deleted several times because of copy violations. Please do not copy and paste info from the national website or this page will be listed in votes for deletion and will likely be deleted again. --Dysepsion 03:57, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I made a couple of small changes - the national philanthropy is actually breast cancer awareness as opposed to funding research/fight against cancer. Also, the sorority flower is the iris, which is commonly used as a symbol to represent the organization. In addition, the sorority is more Asian American-oriented, not necessarily Asian-oriented (perhaps a minor point to some, but it is a key distinction). --GroupX 04:59, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Copy Violations
Seriously do people not read talk pages? Enough with this copy and paste deal. This article was deleted because of copyvios before. Practically all fraternities and sororities will let you copy and paste their history from their national website onto other sites but when this article starts becoming some de facto official website for the organization because someone copies and pastes even dates for upcoming events without even tweaking it is just ridiculous. -- † Ðy§ep§ion † 06:49, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Ming navy

This article presents a lot of historical information, and it may or may not be good information. Nevertheless, it is presented in the form of notes taken during a history class and is therefore not suitable for an encyclopedia. I thought about proposing it for deletion, but it seems reasonable to get some discussion on it before that. The article also needs to cite sources and it needs to be wikified. ♠DanMS 03:58, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

If this is copied and pasted from lecture notes, then its probably a copyvio. Surely there should be an article on the Ming Navy, or at least the voyages of Zheng He, already? Even if it isn't a copyvio, its certainly a massive text dump and needs a LOT of work. Ppe42 02:58, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

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Scratch Acid

Scratch Acid was an American post-hardcore/noise rock band from Austin, Texas, formed in 1982. One of the pioneers of noise rock in the 1980s, the band is best remembered as a stepping stone for its frontman David Yow, and bass player David Wm. Sims, both later of The Jesus Lizard.

History
Scratch Acid was launched in Austin, Texas in 1982. When they first began, their lineup was Steve Anderson (vocals), David Wm. Sims (guitar), Brett Bradford (guitar), David Yow (bass), and Rey Washam (drums). Anderson was kicked out of the band before they ever recorded an album, prompting Yow to move to vocals and Sims to move to bass.

Scratch Acid's first EP was released in 1984, by Texas indie record label Rabid Cat and featured the song "Lay Screaming", a track which vocalist David Yow indicated was "inspired by Marquis de Sade, reading his shit."

The band returned to Rabid Cat for their debut album, Just Keep Eating, released in 1986. When queried about the significance of the title in a February 1987 interview, the band called the title "kinda silly" and "an inside joke", related to the fact that they all had lived together and done well to just keep surviving. Eschewing pop sensibilities but instead pushing boundaries with noise, the band listed Sonic Youth, Big Black, and Butthole Surfers as their stylistic peers.

The band's third and final release, an EP entitled Berserker, was released by Touch and Go Records. A posthumous compilation CD entitled The Greatest Gift was released by Touch and Go Records in 1991.

Critical response
The band was named by music journalist Will Lerner as "the American equivalent of the Birthday Party." After developing a reputation as a crazy, noisy punk band, Scratch Acid disbanded in 1987. According to the liner notes of The Greatest Gift, the band members never received compensation from either Rabid Cat or Fundamental Records (who distributed their releases in Europe).

Writing in Flipside magazine, Gary Davis emphasized the band's rawness, energy, and earnestness in a live setting:

"...The band is unpretentious, fast, and forceful. They present no gimmicks, glamor, or elaborate stage show. After all, that's already been done so many times before. Scratch Acid simply walk on stage in their street clothes and begin to play. The quality of their music stands on its own."

Later projects and reunions
Brett Bradford went on to form Colorado punk band Great Caesar's Ghost, who disbanded in 1993. He also formed Sangre De Toro and played with Areola 51. Washam went on to perform with many other bands, including the Big Boys, Ministry, Helios Creed, the Didjits, Lard, and Tad. In 1987, Sims and Washam joined Steve Albini in the band Rapeman, which disbanded just before Sims reunited with Yow in 1989 to form the Jesus Lizard.

All of the original members of the band appeared at Emo's nightclub in Austin on September 2, 2006, and at the Touch and Go 25th anniversary celebration in Chicago, Illinois on September 9, 2006. They played their third and final show of the brief reunion at Seattle's Showbox Theater on Saturday, September 16, playing 20 songs from their 28-song (recorded) oeuvre before leaving the stage.

The band reunited for their first UK show since 1987 at the second British All Tomorrow's Parties music festival March 9 through 11, 2012, curated by Neutral Milk Hotel's Jeff Mangum. David Wm. Sims also announced in his blog that the band will play some dates in November and December in the US "and possibly in Europe". On August 31, David Yow released the complete list of tour dates on his Facebook page.

Discography

 * EPs
 * Scratch Acid (1984, Rabid Cat) – UK Indie no. 26
 * Berserker (1987, Touch and Go Records) – UK Indie no. 7
 * LPs
 * Just Keep Eating (1986, Rabid Cat)
 * Compilation
 * The Greatest Gift (1991, Touch and Go Records)

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