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Stroke ratio

Stroke ratio, today universally defined as bore/stroke ratio, is a term to describe the ratio between cylinder bore diameter and piston stroke length in a reciprocating piston engine. This can be used for either an internal combustion engine, where the fuel is burned within the cylinders of the engine, or external combustion engine, such as a steam engine, where the combustion of the fuel takes place outside the working cylinders of the engine.

Conventions
The contemporary convention for describing the stroke ratio of a piston engine‘s cylinders is its bore/stroke ratio.

Stroke/bore ratio is an obsolete expression dating to the early era of reciprocating engine development.

Bore/stroke ratio
The diameter of the cylinder bore is divided by the length of the piston stroke to give the ratio.

Square, oversquare and undersquare engines
The following terms describe the naming conventions for the configurations of the various bore/stroke ratio:

Square
A square engine has equal bore and stroke dimensions, giving a bore/stroke value of exactly 1:1.

Square engine examples
1953 – Ferrari 250 Europa had Lampredi V12 with 68.0 x 68.0 mm bore and stroke.

1967 – FIAT 125, 124Sport engine 125A000, 125B000, 125BC000, 1608 ccm, DOHC, 80.0 x 80.0 mm bore and stroke.

1970 – Ford 400 had a 4.00 x 4.00 in bore and stroke.

1973 – Kawasaki Z1 and KZ(Z)900 had a 66.0 x 66.0 mm bore and stroke.

1982 - Honda Nighthawk 250 and Honda CMX250C Rebel have a 53.0 x 53.0 mm bore and stroke.

1983 – Mazda FE 2.0L inline four-cylinder engine with a 86.0 x 86.0 mm bore and stroke.

1987 – The Opel/Vauxhall 2.0 L GM Family II engines are square at 86.0 x 86.0 mm bore and stroke; example as C20XE C20NE C20LET X20A X20XEV X20XER Z20LET Z20LEH Z20LER A20NHT A20NFT.

1989 – Nissan's SR20DE is a square engine, with an 86.0 x 86.0 mm bore and stroke.

1990–2010 Saab B234/B235 is a square engine, with a 90.0 x 90.0 mm bore and stroke.

1991 – Ford's 4.6 V8 OHC engine has a 3.552 x 3.543 in bore and stroke.

1995 – The BMW M52 engine with a displacement of 2793 cubic centimeters is an example of a perfect square engine with an 84.0 x 84.0 mm bore and stroke.

1996 – Jaguar's AJ-V8 engine in 4.0-litre form has an 86.0 mm bore and stroke.

2000 – Mercedes-Benz 4.0-litre (3.996 L) OM628 V8 diesel engine is an example of a square engine – with an 86.0 x 86.0 mm bore and stroke.

Oversquare
An engine is described as oversquare or short-stroke if its cylinders have a greater bore diameter than its stroke length, giving a bore/stroke ratio greater than 1:1.

An oversquare engine allows for more and larger valves in the head of the cylinder, higher possible rpm by lowering maximum piston speed, and lower crank stress due to the lower peak piston acceleration for the same engine (rotational) speed. Because these characteristics favor higher engine speeds, oversquare engines are often tuned to develop peak torque at a relatively high speed.

Due to the increased piston and head surface area, the heat loss increases as the bore/stroke ratio is increased. Thus an excessively high ratio can lead to a decreased thermal efficiency compared to other engine geometries. The large size/width of the combustion chamber at ignition can cause increased inhomogeneity in the air/fuel mixture during combustion, resulting in higher emissions.

The reduced stroke length allows for a shorter cylinder and sometimes a shorter connecting rod, generally making oversquare engines less tall but wider than undersquare engines of similar engine displacement.

Oversquare engine examples
Oversquare engines (a.k.a. "short stroke engines") are very common, as they allow higher rpm (and thus more power), without excessive piston speed.

Examples include both Chevrolet and Ford small-block V8s; the GMC 478 V6 has a bore/stroke ratio of 1.33. The 1.6 litre version of the BMW N45 gasoline engine has a bore/stroke ratio of 1.167.

Horizontally opposed, also known as "Boxer" or "flat", engines typically feature oversquare designs since any increase in stroke length would result in twice the increase in overall engine width. This is particularly so in Subaru’s front-engine layout, where the steering angle of the front wheels is constrained by the width of the engine. The Subaru EJ181 engine develops peak torque at speeds as low as 3200 rpm.

Nissan's RB, VQ, VK, VH and VR38DETT engines are all oversquare. Additionally, SR16VE engine found in Nissan Pulsar VZ-R and VZ-R N1 is an oversquare engine with 86 mm bore and 68.7 mm stroke, giving it 175 - 200 hp but relatively small torque of 119 - 134 lbft

Extreme oversquare engines are found in Formula One racing cars, where strict rules limit displacement, thereby necessitating that power be achieved through high engine speeds. Stroke ratios approaching 2.5:1 are allowed, enabling engine speeds of 18,000 rpm while remaining reliable for multiple races.

The Ducati Panigale motorcycle engine is extremely oversquare with a bore/stroke ratio of 1.84:1. It was given the name "SuperQuadro" by Ducati, roughly translated as "super-square" from Italian.

The side-valve Belgian D-Motor LF26 aero-engine has a bore/stroke ratio of 1.4:1.

Early Mercedes-Benz M116 engines had a 92 mm bore and a 65.6 mm stroke for a 3.5 litre V8.

Undersquare
An engine is described as undersquare or long-stroke if its cylinders have a smaller bore (width, diameter) than its stroke (length of piston travel) - giving a ratio value of less than 1:1.

At a given engine speed, a longer stroke increases engine friction and increases stress on the crankshaft due to the higher peak piston acceleration. The smaller bore also reduces the area available for valves in the cylinder head, requiring them to be smaller or fewer in number.

Undersquare engines often exhibit peak torque at lower rpm than an oversquare engine due to their smaller valves and high piston speed limiting their potential to rev higher.

Undersquare engine examples
Many inline engines, particularly those mounted transversely in front-wheel-drive cars, utilize an undersquare design. The smaller bore allows for a shorter engine that increases room available for the front wheels to steer. Examples of this include many Volkswagen, Nissan, Honda, and Mazda engines. The 1KR-FE-engine used in the Toyota Aygo, Citroën C1 and Peugeot 107 amongst others is an example of a modern long-stroke engine widely used in FF layout cars. This engine has a bore and stroke of 71x84 mm stroke giving it a bore/stroke ratio of 0.845:1. Some rear-wheel-drive cars that borrow engines from front-wheel-drive cars (such as the Mazda MX-5) use an undersquare design.

BMW's acclaimed S54B32 M54 engine was undersquare with a bore and stroke of 87x91 mm), offering a world record torque-per-litre figure (114 Nm/L) for normally-aspirated production engines at the time; this record stood until Ferrari unveiled the 458 Italia.

Many British automobile companies used undersquare designs until the 1950s, largely because of a motor tax system that taxed cars by their cylinder bore. This includes the BMC A-Series engine, and many Nissan derivatives. The Trojan Car used an undersquare, split piston, two stroke, two-cylinder inline engine; this was partly for this tax advantage and partly because its proportions allowed flexing V-shaped connecting rods for the two pistons of each U-shaped cylinder, which was cheaper and simpler than two connecting rods joined with an additional bearing.

Their French and German competitors at the time also used undersquare designs even in absence of the tax reasoning, e. g. Renault Billancourt engine and Opel straight-6 engine.

The 225 cu in (3.7 litre) Chrysler Slant-6 engine is undersquare, with a bore and stroke of 86x105 mm stroke (bore/stroke ratio = 0.819:1).

The Ford 5.4L Modular Engine features a bore and stroke of 90.1x105.8 mm, which makes a bore/stroke ratio of 0.852:1. Since the stroke is significantly longer than the bore, the SOHC 16V (2-valve per cylinder) version of this engine is able to generate a peak torque of 350 lb·ft as low as 2501 rpm.

The Willys Jeep L134 and F134 engines were undersquare, with a bore and stroke of 79.4x111.1 mm stroke (bore/stroke ratio = 0.714:1).

The Dodge Power Wagon used a straight-six Chrysler Flathead engine of 230 cu in (3.8 L) with a bore and stroke of 83x117 mm, yielding a substantially undersquare bore/stroke ratio of 0.709:1.

The 4-litre Barra Inline 6 engine from the Australian Ford Falcon, uses a bore and stroke of 92.21x99.31 mm stroke, which equates to a 0.929:1 bore-stroke ratio.

The 292 Chevrolet I6 is also undersquare, with a bore and stroke of 3.875x4.125 in in (bore/stroke ratio = 0.939:1).

Mitsubishi's 4G63T engine found primarily in many generations of Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution is an undersquare engine with a bore and stroke of 85x88 mm.

The Jaguar XK6 engine, used in all 6-cylinder Jaguars from 1949 to 1987 was undersquare. For example, the 4.2 litre engine had a bore and stroke of 92.08x106 mm, providing a bore/stroke ratio of 0.869:1.

Virtually all piston engines used in military aircraft were long-stroke engines. The PW R-2800, Wright R-3350, Pratt & Whitney R-4360 Wasp Major, Rolls-Royce Merlin (1650), Allison V-1710, and Hispano-Suiza 12Y-Z are only a few of more than a hundred examples.

All diesel-powered ships have massively undersquare marine engines, usually using crossheads. A Wärtsilä two-stroke marine diesel engine has a bore and stroke of 960x2500 mm, (bore/stroke ratio = 0.384:1).

While most modern motorcycle engines are square or oversquare, some are undersquare. The Kawasaki Z1300's straight-six engine was made undersquare to minimise engine width, more recently, a new straight-twin engine for the Honda NC700 series used an undersquare design to achieve better combustion efficiency in order to reduce fuel consumption.

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Numbered bank account

Numbered bank accounts are bank accounts wherein the identity of the holder is replaced with a multi-digit number known only to the client and selected private bankers. Although these accounts do add another layer of banking secrecy, they are not completely anonymous as the name of the client is still recorded by the bank and is subject to limited, warranted disclosure.

During the 1910s, bankers from Switzerland created numbered bank accounts to add a layer of anonymity for European clients seeking to avoid paying World War I taxes. With the passage of the Swiss Banking Law of 1934, this practice proliferated across the banking industry in Switzerland. Some Swiss banks supplement the number with a code name such as "Cardinal", "Octopussy" or "Cello" as an alternative manner to identify the client. However, to open this type of account in Switzerland, clients must pass a multi-stage clearance procedure and prove to the bank the lawful origins of their assets. Banking institutions that have adopted this practice in Europe, Asia, and the Americas also require clients to undergo stringent vetting and provide the identity of the beneficial owner. The usage of fake names to open these accounts is prohibited in Switzerland, the European Union, the United States, and other off-shore financial centers.

Many sovereign state governments have outlawed the usage of these accounts as they are commonly associated with a desire by the account holder to either minimize governmental scrutiny or avoid taxation. Most regulations governing the usage of numbered bank accounts require that the holder signs a document and undergoes a background check that confirms who they are and a connection to the account. Despite the regulations, numbered bank accounts by their very nature are more private than normal bank accounts. In Switzerland, for example, bankers are outlawed from disclosing whether or not an account is numbered to any governmental agency unless proof of deliberate fraud is established, not merely the non-reporting of assets in order to avoid taxation.

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Groundbed

A groundbed is an array of electrodes, installed in the ground to provide a low resistance electrical path to ground or earth. A groundbed is a component in an earthing system.

Each electrode is called a ground rod or an earth electrode.

Grounding systems
For building electrical grounding systems or earthing systems, there is a low resistance conductor bonding the metalwork and this is connected to a groundbed. The electrodes for electrical grounding are often called ground rods and are often made from steel with a copper clad surface – typically 1 to 2 m long and 20 mm in diameter. These are driven vertically into the ground and bonded together with bare copper wire. Other grounding electrodes may include buried solid plates, or a grid of buried wires, where soil conditions do not favor driven ground rods. Buried metallic piping systems, well casings or the reinforcing bars of concrete slabs in contact with the earth have all been used as grounding electrodes.

Soil conditioning
Various materials may be placed around the ground rod to improve conductivity. These include:
 * Ufer ground
 * Bentonite clay
 * Marconite

Cathodic protection
In cathodic protection, the anode groundbed is the arrangement of anodes in the ground or water and it provides the path for protective current to leave the anodes and enter to electrolyte.

High voltage direct current systems
In a high voltage direct current transmission system, each converter station may be equipped with a substantial ground bed to facilitate earth return operation of the system. In normal operation of a bipolar HVDC system, current is carried on the two wires of the transmission line, but if a line fails or one converter fails, the earth return can be used to maintain partial operation. Ground beds must be designed to accept considerable current ( on the order of 1000 amperes) for extending times, without drying out. Ground return operation may cause objectionable earth currents that cause corrosion of other buried services such as pipelines. A short overhead power line may be run from the converter station to obtain the best location for a ground bed.

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Dynamic set

Dynamic set may refer to:

 * A set (abstract data type) that supports insertion and/or deletion of elements
 * Dynaset- A data structure frequently used in relational database access

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User:Lifetimeoo

lifetimeoo means life and time are zero for me.

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User talk:Roberthanrahan

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Gronge
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Kongunadu Makkal Katchi

Kongunadu Makkal Katchi (கொங்குநாடு மக்கள் கட்சி) is a political party in Tamil Nadu, India, based amongst the Vellala Gounder caste. The party was founded shortly ahead of the 2001 Tamil Nadu Legislative Assembly election.

The party is led by A.M. Raja. The party acts as the political wing of the Kongu Vellala Gounder Forum.

In the 2001 Tamil Nadu assembly elections, KMK stood as an ally of the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam. KMK contested one seat, Perundurai. Its candidate, N. Govindaswamy, got 40421 votes (32.43%).

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Category:Airports in Denmark

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This category is for airports in Denmark.

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Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/“Video compression system and method using time”

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British Rail Class 100

The British Rail Class 100 diesel multiple units were built by Gloucester Railway Carriage and Wagon Company Limited from 1956 to 1958, designed and built in collaboration with the Transport Sales Dept. of T.I. (Group Services) Ltd.

Introduction
The class were designed to be lightweight to allow for good acceleration. None were selected for refurbishment and withdrawals started in 1969. The last passenger car was withdrawn from service in 1988.

Under initial classification 1973, the DTCLs became class 143 but were later reclassified as class 100.

DTCL 56111 was used as a training aid by the Ministry of Defence until 1985.

Two sets entered Departmental service: DMBS 51122 and DTCL 56300 became ADB975664 and ADB975637 for use as the "Stourton Saloon" – the Eastern Region General Manager's saloon – for which the class gained a small amount of "fame";  this pair were scrapped, in 1990, at Mayer-Newman's yard at Snailwell, in Cambridgeshire. The other pair were ADB975349 and ADB975539 (formerly DMBS 51116 and DTCL 56101) and were used as the Eastern Region inspection saloon, until being scrapped in 1993.

DTCL 56106 was also taken into Departmental service, becoming ADB977191, part of the Crewe Works test train. This vehicle survived the longest time on the national network, having been stored for some years in Basford Hall yard, out of use. The final public appearance of ADB977191 was at the Crewe Works Open Day, on 21 May 2000, following which it was scrapped.

Preservation

Following their withdrawal from service in East Anglia, in 1973, DMBSs 50341 and 51118, together with DTCLs 56097 and 56099, were acquired by the North Yorkshire Moors Railway, where they were painted in green and cream and given the numbers D10, D11, D20 and D21. They finally became redundant in the mid-1980s and were disposed of.

The class has not fared well in preservation. Six cars entered preservation, now only half of which still exist. 50341 and 56099 were preserved by the West Somerset Railway, but were scrapped & dismantled in 1991. The National Railway Museum had intended to preserve 53355 (ex 50355), but a lack of space prevented this car, and the Class 105 coupled to it from being moved to York and they were vandalised beyond repair at Crewe. DTCL 56317 was scrapped in October 2016.

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Museum of Royal Worcester

The Museum of Royal Worcester (formerly Worcester Porcelain Museum and Dyson Perrins Museum) is a ceramics museum located in the Royal Worcester porcelain factory's former site in Worcester, England.

Overview
The museum houses the world’s largest collection of Worcester porcelain. The collections date back to 1751 and the Victorian gallery, the ceramic collections, archives, and records of factory production, form the primary resource for the study of Worcester porcelain and its history.

The museum is the only part of Royal Worcester left at the Severn Street site in Worcester after the factory went into administration in 2008 and closed in 2009. The Royal Worcester Visitor Centre, the seconds shop, and the café all closed with the factory in 2009.

The Museum of Royal Worcester was formerly known as the Museum of Worcester Porcelain and the Dyson Perrins Museum and Worcester Porcelain Museum, after Charles William Dyson Perrins of Worcestershire sauce fame. The collections includes pieces from the beginning of porcelain manufacturing in Worcester in 1751 until the closure of the Royal Worcester factory in Worcester. The museum is owned by the Dyson Perrins Museum Trust.

Collections
The Worcester Porcelain Museum collection is displayed in three permanent galleries: the Georgian Gallery, the Victorian Gallery, and the Twentieth Century Gallery. The museum holds over 10,000 objects made between 1751 and 2009. The collections date back to the 18th century, when shapes and patterns were copied from the Far East for use in the homes of the very rich.

A display in the first gallery shows an 18th-century furnished room with a long case clock and table laid for dessert. A trio of hexagonal vases feature on the mantle piece in what would have been a gentleman's home.

In contrast, the Victorian gallery has deep colours, extravagant exhibition pieces, and works of great craftsmanship. Here it can be seen how travel influenced design and how with the onslaught of the Industrial Revolution more people could afford to buy fine works.

The museum tour ends in the 20th century, where as well as producing bespoke services, commissioned by some of the factory's private customers, changing lifestyles and the advent of modern appliances like freezers and microwave ovens required a new range of products.

Henry Sandon and Lars Tharp together with others worked on an audio tour for the museum. This together with the facts trail combines to set the historical backdrop and present the technical achievements, the workers who made and decorated the porcelain, and the customers who bought it.

Facilities
Disability and access

The Museum of Royal Worcester has full wheelchair access throughout the galleries, two lifts and a disabled toilet. Wheelchairs are available for use at the museum. Three hour street parking is available in Severn Street outside the museum for those with a blue badge.

Functions and hire

The museum holds a range of events each year and is also available for private and corporate hire for conferences, dinner parties, wedding receptions, etc.

There is also a Friends society with members from around the world.

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User:Johntex/Talk01

Welcome
Welcome!

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Turtle Bayou Resolutions
Hi there! I noticed you created turtle bayou resolutions; however, the subject is already covered at Turtle Bayou Resolutions (wikipedia is caps-sensitive). It would be great if you could incorporate all the information from your version to Turtle Bayou Resolutions that is not already included, and then turn turtle bayou resolutions into a redirect. You would do this by blanking the article, and then inserting this text: #REDIRECT Turtle Bayou Resolutions. This functions to automatically send anyone going to the redirect to the target page. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! Postdlf 04:29, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Archiving
Hi John,

I wasn't quick enough! I guess someone pointed you at How to archive a talk page. If you have any other questions just let me know.

Dbenbenn 05:20, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Rooster Teeth Productions
Hey buddy, good call on the Rooster Teeth Productions article. I also note that you got your welcome message on the same day as me. :-) --Deathphoenix 23:21, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * hahaha... Sorry, I looked at it and I think it warrants a keep (I don't like how it has prices in it, though). I've seen your name many times and figured you've been here for longer as well. I look forward to bumping into you in another article as well. --Deathphoenix 01:19, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Hey Johntex, you have your sympathy vote. :-) I voted on other VfDs before I got down to yours, and decided to vote for a Merge and Redirect. Cheers, --Deathphoenix 03:05, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Patent pending, Application
Thanks for the kudos! I'm still feeling my way around the wiki thingies, but I thought I could add something useful there and let some of you guru types rassul with the format. As for Patent_Application, should I write something and expect it to be moved/merged to be near Patent#Examination with a redirect at some point? At the very least, Patent will need some internal links to the resulting Application info. Any thoughts? Lupinelawyer 05:32, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Award
Thank you very much for the Exceptional Newcomer award! I really appreciate it. --jag123 10:37, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for the very nice welcome! WildCard 07:08, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Tagging major edits as minor
Hi John, can you avoid tagging major edits as minor ones? In particular I'm talking about changing "... without the explicit backing of the UN..." to "... with implied (but not explicit) backing of the UN ...". --Christiaan 02:16, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi Christiaan, thanks for your note. I did not consider my change major.  The original text said, "without explicit".  I merely changed to "implied (but not explicit)".  That seems minor to me, and also accurate.  Before I made the change, I read over the talk page to see if this wording had been debated and it had not.  (Note - I did not check the archived talk pages).  I think this is very good due diligence to have applied - especially since the article does not carry any sort of request to talk about changes prior to adding.  So, I respect your view that it was a major change, but I disagree.  Best.  Johntex 01:25, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * From, How to edit a page, Minor edits generally mean spelling corrections, formatting, and minor rearrangement of text. Your edit was a major rearrangement in the understanding of a constroversial aspect of the invasion of Iraq, therefore it doesn't come close to a minor edit. See Minor edit for more information. --Christiaan 10:15, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the reference, but I still disagree. I think my edit could qualify as a minor rearrangement of text. However, I will agree to keep my eye out for how other people use the minor tag in actual practice. Johntex 00:51, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Huygens_probe
Hello! Yeah, I'm the resident 800x600 nazi. :'D I'll probably start a club it the future.

If you look at your edit it goes through the next entry, pushing down the wide centered image under it in IE6. This creates gaps, also if you view the page in 800x600 in Firefox the images overlap... and since by default I look at pages in that resolution I mentioned that is why I changed it. If I were to give an educated guess you are using Firefox (Mozilla) in 1024x768, since it looks pretty good with that setup; but otherwise its awkward (IE6) or overlapping (Firefox).

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Huygens_probe&oldid=9495008

So as to guidelines, Wikipedia articles are supposed to be viewable easily in a 800x600 screen (just in case its not maximized it will still fit) without a horizontal bar appearing. Usually this is not an issue, but if you put images close to each other, or close to templates you could/should do a quick check to make sure the dreaded horizontal bar doesn't appear (and there is no overlap). Check out my user page for further info on known 800x600 compliance bugs. And keep up the additions, its what Wikipedia lives for. - RoyBoy [ ∞ ] 03:59, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your welcome message. After some time (before and after I registered) tinkering here and there, I've finally taken the plunge and added a new article on the philosopher Lady Anne Finch Conway; any criticism welcomed). I'm now planning one on the jazz musician Don Rendell. Mel Etitis 14:24, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Collaboration of the week
Military history of the Soviet Union is this week's Collaboration of the Week. Please contribute to it to help make it a feature article

Longhorn
Hey there, thanks for the comment! And for all the work on references on the Longhorn. As I mentioned on the talk page, I have no problem with adding information.. but Toiyabe chose to remove all references to barbed wire and with a weak justification of "I don't buy it." Show me the facts and I'm more than happy to listen. And, as I mentioned, adding information, as long as it's sourced, is never a bad thing! I thought your suggestion was excellent. Oh, and hook 'em while I'm at it. Katefan0 17:35, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * HA! I DID wonder where that came from.  An excellent bit of editing; you should get a Barnstar in fact.  That game was glorious; the only one I've seen in recent years that even approached it was during the Texans' first season when we whooped the shit out of Dallas.  I made all my friends up here in DC watch the Rose Bowl game with me even though only a few of them were Longhorns.  I even got a CANADIAN to watch it with me.  Anyway, I was just going through fixing all the disambig links from the UT page.  God knows why, I have to go to an early hearing tomorrow morning, I should be in bed.  Anyway, OH, and I wasn't on the TSP board (ptooie -- don't confuse me with that lot) -- I WAS on the staff of the Daily Texan for years, though!  · Katefan0(scribble) 03:56, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * I looked at the Longhorn article recently, and was a little disappointed that more of the info from the talk page hasn't been incorporated. I especially dislike the "... (before railroads made cowboys obsolete) ... " statement.  I'm not going to bother editing that page with all the UT nuts watching it, so I'm hoping that you might give it another crack.  I have to travel to College Station once a year for work and that's all of that crap that I can take.  Toiyabe 22:48, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Autofellatio poll
Hi. There is a poll going on at Talk:Autofellatio. We'd appreciate your vote. —Cantus… ☎   04:20, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)

VFD for Chu WIng Kit
Hey, Johntex: I've done a little research on Chu Wing Kit, and discovered that he is more commonly referenced under an alternate name. I wonder if you'd take a look at the information I've presented on the VFD Page and consider whether it changes your vote. Best, --Jacobw 21:27, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Playboy's College Girls
Hi Johntex! Thanks for starting the article on Playboy's College Girls. I too have worked on a couple of Playboy related articles and started the ones on Playboy videos and Wet and Wild: Slippery When Wet (2000). If you have time please have a look at these articles also and give any comments you have. They are still in a very rough state. Jester2001 08:05, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

A chat I had today
I raised some concerns with David Gerard today, and he recommended that I put them to you. He says he shares them and he asked me to bring them directly to you.

A user, Achilles, observing the failure to gain consensus for deletion of an autofellatio image, clearly diagnosed the problem (correctly, in my opinion) as bias due to the fact that most wikipedians don't watch WP:IFD or Autofellatio. His solution: spend approximately seven hours between 9pm April 6 and 4am April 7 (UTC) contacting some fifty-five editors on the English Wikipedia and some half dozen or so editors on the French Wikipedia who he thought would vote for deletion, because they voted for deletion for the old Autofellatio picture.

Well you know, he could have gone to Village pump. I've done that in the past. Instead he did a targeted mailshot. He did a targeted mailshot of over sixty people, and it took him seven hours to do it. And it had a remarkable effect. Suddenly from being a no-hoper deletion the image seems to be close to deletion.

I don't care if that image is deleted.

But I do think that kind of campaigning is inimical to trust. Firstly he spammed a rather large number of Wikipedia user talk pages. People have been blocked for doing that. Why? Because it's a dumb and wasteful thing to do on a Wiki with watchlists. Secondly he did so in a selective manner, apparently aiming to subvert rather than aid the process of obtaining a view of the consensus of Wikipedians, but contacting only those who seemed likely to express a point of view he agreed with. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:42, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * how is this any different than any other institution which sets policies and makes decisions by voting? you can never stop someone from doing this. it's a flaw in the system, as others have recently pointed out (and was definitely seen on the failed attempt to modify the arbitration policies..again) --Alterego

 * Just a note that I agree with and second the above concerns of Tony's. An arguably good cause (though I don't agree with the cause in question and voted 'keep' on the new image, because its copyright status is clear), but a stunningly bad precedent to allow someone to get away with pushing it in this manner. I ask you to consider at the very least asking Achilles not to do this (what could reasonably be considered spamming for votes, and targeted spam at that), and that others not do this - David Gerard 23:51, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Seems to me asking for others' votes is a reasonable thing to do; people need to be informed one way or another. I don't see why it matters if they are contacted. The underlying message seems to be one of opposition to open participation in the vote. Everyking 00:20, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I think you should know that there is another way to look at this. Over 80 people voted to delete the Autofellatio image, more than 80% of the votes, and the image was deleted.   While copyright was an issue for many of the voters, the majority felt as you did that the image was "completely unacceptable" for Wikipedia.    Within a day of two of the completion of that vote, and the deletion of that image, autofellatio_2, a similar image, perhaps even more graphic than the first, was posted, and linked to Autofellatio.   Supposedly it does not have the copyright issues of the first one, but it is no less objectionable in every other respect.  User:Achilles, in his responses to the accusation of "spamming", made it clear that he thought that posting this image was disrespectful of the consensus decision and wanted to let the people involved in that consensus know that there intention was already being set aside, and that there was a new IFD vote in progress.  Many of the people whom he supposedly "spammed", including me, have expressed appreciation for being alerted about this, since they do not have WP:IFD or Autofellatio on their watch lists.  By the way, I would appreciate your expressing your views on these type of images again, or even voting on IFD, because there seems to be a group determined to have them on Wikipedia, including the good editors Gerard and Sidaway, and they don't seem to appreciate the reasons why they are unacceptable.   --BM 01:21, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * This isn't about a picture, it's about a form of activism, the use of targeted mailshots to round up activist voters to subvert the consensus-based decision-making process. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 01:56, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Jimbo, just an update. The IFD vote on Image:autofellatio_2.jpg has finished, and although there was a majority to delete it, there was no consensus.   This is an image similar to the one that you described as "completely unacceptable" for Wikipedia, and "not even borderline".    Apparently, it was the copyright issue that put the previous image over the top for the required 80% consensus to delete it.   Enter a pornography web site delighted to provide an image in return for an attribution (i.e. a little free publicity on a Top 100 web site), and the copyright issue evaporates.   And so does the 80% consensus to delete a completely unacceptable image.   --BM 12:39, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * It might also be interesting to note that a good number of those who voted (in both votes) Delete came from the french wikipedia and have made few to no contributions on en.wikipedia.org, in a previous discussion on the wikipedia-l it was pointed out that many of these people came to vote because the image was being interwiki linked into user talkpages by a vandal, and they wanted to remove the image to stop the vandalism. Seems like this is a pretty effective way for someone pushing image-deletion related POV to get their wish... I think that the issue of voters coming from outside our direct community (in this case the French wikipedia) is a complex superset of the issue of calling on specific people to come and vote.--Gmaxwell 21:44, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

An interesting asymmetry
The 80% to delete creates an interesting asymmetry in wikipedia, because many other things such as selecting a version are often decided by a majority. Selecting a version of the article without the picture might be easier to do than deleting the picture, voting to have this unenclclopedic article moved to the dictionary. Often articles become featured articles with only 4 or 5 votes. Perhaps the 80% should be reconsidered as distorting a community that decides most things by consensus.--Silverback 12:57, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

A message to selected people is not spam
Achilles is getting some undeserved heat for his actions.

Calling his messages "spamming" is not accurate. Tony Sidaway stated on Achilles’ talk page "Spamming is sending the same message to lots of people." That is not a full or correct definition. For example, www.dictionary.com defines spamming as "Unsolicited e-mail, often of a commercial nature, sent indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups; junk e-mail." While it is true that his message could be considered "unsolicited", it was not sent "indiscriminately". He sent the message only to people whom you had reason to believe would be interested in the message. What could be wrong with reaching out to people who are likely to have an interest in a topic?

Ironically, Tony refutes his own word choice by claiming that Achilles’ so-called spam was directed "...*only* those who you thought would support you..." So, he is criticizing Achilles for making his message too targeted, too selective. He is actually being accused of carefully targeted spamming, which is an oxymoron.

Tony even takes pains to point out that Achilles had to take time and effort to send his messages over many hours. Spammers hit one “send” key and effortless direct their message to thousands of people.

Tony also suggests that Achilles should have posted to the Village Pump, thereby reaching a very non-selective audience. I want to hasten to point out that the village pump does not qualify as spam either. People have "opted-in" by the fact that they go read the Village Pump. But surely there is merit to targeting messages to people who would seem to be interested in them rather than to the entire community? Why would messaging a small set of people be more like spam than posting to the whole community?

Another interesting contradiction in Tony’s argument is the statement that “[he] spammed a rather large number of Wikipedia user talk pages. People have been blocked for doing that. Why? Because it's a dumb and wasteful thing to do on a Wiki with watchlists.” If watchlists were a complete solution to getting involvement in these types of situations, then why would Tony encourage Achilles to post at the Village Pump? The problem with watchlists is that there are changes in an article that can affect the whole of Wikipedia. I don't claim to know the motives of the person who posted a notice to the autofellatio page (T IMBO ) for a vote on an image so similar to one that was just deleted. However, the autofellatio page is obviously visited by people who have an interest in the topic, and in the manner of its representation in Wikipedia. It is reasonable to believe that a posting on that page will not reach a representative sampling of Wikipedians and that the set of people who would see it would tend to be enriched (compared to Wikipedia as a whole) towards those who would be inclined to support the image. It was logical of Achilles to believe that the message on that page would be seen mostly by people who would support the image. Whether or not that was considered by TIMBO I have no idea. I want to be clear that I am not accusing TIMBO of doing anything wrong. I think both TIMBO and Achilles were justified in their actions.

So, what did Achilles do differently than TIMBO? TIMBO's message was selectively sent to people who follow the discussion on the autofellatio article. Achilles’ message was sent selectively to people who had voted a certain way on an issue pertaining to the autofellatio article. So, he reached a more selective group. He directly argued for his vision of how Wikipedia should evolve. So what? Why would that be wrong? Surely discussing viewpoints and wikiwork in progress is a valid use of Talk pages.

Tony has accused Achilles of being "caught red-handed trying to cook a vote". This is an unfair characterization. If campaigning for your viewpoint is "cooking the vote", then anyone who posts an opinion on any page during any vote would be guilty. There is no harm in campaigning for your viewpoint.

For the record, I feel that the current situation, with the picture behind a link, is a pretty good compromise. I agree that having any pornographic image in any Wikipedia article poses all sorts of problems to us. We do Wikipedia a disservice if we allow a pornographic image to cause us legal problems, or if it causes Wikipedia not to be accessible to large groups of people because their school forbids it, or because their national government restricts access. If I saw strong evidence that the link itself was causing these sorts of problems, then I would be inclined to vote against retaining even the link. Johntex 20:57, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 *  A message to selected people is not spam

I'm sorry but that is just silly. Spam is the same message repeated lots of times. Putting the same message on lots of user talk pages is spam. But that isn't the issue, is it?

He didn't just spam, he intentionally spammed *only* those people who agreed with him. He tried to cook the vote, to campaign, to go against the consensual decision making that has served Wikipedia so well and turn it into a scramble for votes, and was caught red-handed. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 21:26, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't know if the proper etiquette is to continue this talk here or at Tony's page. I'll continue here for now but I'm happy to move this if that is better.

 * Let's set aside for now whether it was spam or not so that we may focus on what you say is the issue. You are equating a "get out the vote" campaign to "cook[ing] the vote.  They are not the same.  Cooking the vote would be using sock puppets to stuff the ballot box.  What he did was analogous to the Democratic party encouraging Pro-choice or gay marriage proponents to go to the polls in a United States presidential election; or the Republican party doing the same with senior citizens and members of the Bel Air country club.  Why is there anything wrong with appealing to people who are likely to be receptive to your arguments?

 * How does this go against the "consensual decision making" process? Were people intimidated to vote a certain way?  Did he tamper with the counting of the votes received?  No.  People were encouraged to speak up about an issue he felt they would be interested in.  In my relatively short time here, I've seen hundreds of examples of people doing the exact same thing without receiving criticism, and I don't see anything wrong with it.  Johntex 19:11, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Wow...
So forgive me for peeking through your talk page, but this Autofellatio stuff is really hardcore (no pun intended). I see it mentioned obliquely in other places but haven't ever gotten involved in the particulars until I read through some of it here on your talk page. How'd you get involved in the debate anyway? · Katefan0(scribble) 18:51, May 3, 2005 (UTC)

 * It is some interesting stuff isn't it? I actually do edit on other subjects besides UT and other topics related to Texas.  :-)

 * I really don't remember exactly how I got involved in the debate.  I may have been on sexual reproduction which led to sexual intercourse.  I noticed that there was some lively debate there, including some people making edits there which I didn't feel were in the interests of Wikipedia.  This led to me looking at some user pages to see what other pages these people were involved in.  That led to masturbation, gliding action and autofellatio.  Whew.  I hope you don't mind all the sex talk here!

 * You see a different side of Wikipedia on those pages where emotions run higher.

 * I feel it is very important that we maximize the usefulness of Wikipedia to the maximum number of people. I believe there are some who are more interested in promoting their viewpoint or lifestyle or morals. I also believe there are some who want to hold so firmly to their idea of the way the world *should* be that they forget the way the world *is*.  I am fairly certain that some of the more explicit images people have tried to add would bring harm to the project, so I spend a few cycles trying to keep us to tamer images that are probably almost as instructive but much less controversial.

 * Since you are someone whose work I greatly respect, I'd be very interested to hear your views about what you've read so far. Johntex 19:23, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Not at all, it doesn't bother me; people are too squeamish in general about frank talk if you ask me. I work in a newsroom where there are no sacred cows and that's how I prefer it.  My first internship, I had turned in a particularly good story and the metro editor turned to me and said, "Whenever I used to beat around the bush with the top of a story there was an old editor of mine who told me to just pull down my pants and screw.  Well, you sure know how to pull down your pants and screw."  That was a compliment!  Anyway, on to the other stuff.  I've looked around just a little bit but wasn't able to find too much still open... it seems to me like the substantive debates are over on this score and folks have settled into a compromise if not a happy medium, which I think is good.  I am not a huge fan of censorship, and Wikipedia makes it a point to state that it's not censored, up front.  Which I think is proper.  Information shouldn't be dumbed down, watered down or otherwise sanitized out of existence -- sometimes life is tough and uncomfortable, but that doesn't make it less true.  People I think would prefer sometimes, or most times, not to be confronted with unpleasantness, and I think that's a dangerous path to start down... in this particular situation I feel almost a tinge of homophobia, which is troubling.  Wikipedia is populated mostly by men and for good or ill, lots of men don't like being confronted with a visual of another man in a sexual situation.  On the other hand, there are ways of presenting a truth that are more and less tasteful and that achieve the same objective.

 * It seems to me like a debate between information and sensibilities. Do we need the information (in this case a photo) on the page, and does it add to the informational value of the article?  Some could argue here that if the answer is yes, you should include it, because Wikipedia isn't censored and that's stated outright; if someone's sensibilities are offended they can look elsewhere.  On the other hand, is there a point at which the information presented is gratuitous?  As I said above, there are more and less offensive ways of presenting something like this in a graphic form.  I looked at the state of the page now and it seems to me to be a fine compromise to have a more palatable drawing with a link to an actual photo.  The information is all there and available if someone chooses to pursue it, and nobody gets their sensibilities offended.  But this is just a first crack at thinking about it, and my opinions aren't totally formed... · Katefan0(scribble) 20:23, May 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * In terms of emotions running higher on sexual pages, I've also found that to be true -- I just recently have been involved in a fairly nasty affair over NAMBLA because of a recent RfC, though it's calmed down a lot now. · Katefan0(scribble) 22:39, May 3, 2005 (UTC)

Explorers and the OA
About ten years ago, the Exploring program of the BSA was split into the Venturing and Exploring programs. Venturing, which includes high adventure and hobbies, is still a part of the BSA. Venturers units are called crews, and Sea Scouts are now a part of Venturing. Exploring is now part of the Learning for Life division, which is affiliated with the BSA, but does not have the same membership requirements. Explorers are carear interest units, and are still called Posts. As far as the OA is concerned, neither group can elect candidates to the OA. However, membership in a crew is suficient to maintain membership in the OA, while membership in a post is not.

I hope this all helped. I was an officer in my post when we became a crew, so I remember most of the gory details. Gentgeen 23:29, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
 * As an aside to Order of the Arrow, please read my latest comment. End of discussion did not refer to what you percieved as my lack of compromise, it referred to my position on placing safeguarded information on the page. Perhaps this was not clear to you, but I am letting you know that I am more than willing to listen to any discussion on the article, but I am not willing to give the impression that what's on the page already is the most important part of our organization, and I feel a spoiler warning would do just that. I'm leaving Wikipedia for a while, so if you would like to continue the discussion, please refer to e-mail address on my talk page. Later. KC9CQJ 19:53, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Houston Chronicle
Hey John! I have no idea how you'd come down in this particular debate, and I promise I won't be offended if you disagree with me, but I'd like to get some more NPOV eyes, particularly those familiar with Texas politics, on a dispute between myself and another user, Rangerdude, over what's appropriate for inclusion in this article. We've both given here and there on smaller issues but are now down to the larger ones that we probably won't be able to agree on just between ourselves. If you're interested in weighing in, come take a peep at the talk page. I've just recently listed it on RfC so hopefully we can break our stalemate soon, however it shakes out. · Katefan0(scribble) 18:18, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, that was what initially caught my eye about the page -- the information in the controversy section added by Rangerdude completely unbalanced the article in terms of weight, even though it was sourced. (see Talk:Houston Chronicle/NPOV_tag) He did this, also, on the Sheila Jackson Lee page -- added a ton of what appeared to be cheap shots with no corresponding bio information, then glibly responded to criticism by saying well, just add more info.  It's sourced info, but he clearly has an agenda and has been frustrating to deal with.  But, that aside, I wouldn't at all object to forking the thing off into another article.  More information could be added about the context of the debate in general which has been going on for a long time.  Thanks for looking, look forward to your observations about the substance of the controversy section. · Katefan0(scribble) 18:55, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I'm not surprised that it doesn't mention it. In terms of the general populace, it wasn't really that big a deal, people didn't pay too much attention to it -- I mean the average citizen.  It made a splash when it first happened, largely because the conservative blogosphere (and Houston Press, which always pounces on a chance to criticize the Chronicle, sometimes quite properly), seized on it.  But that was about it.  To the point about forking, I think that would be fine, and my initial impressions of your suggested articles I think are fine, though I'm not sure that I would make the metrorail controversies page the main one to host the Chronicle information.  It was about the paper, not really about the rail.  It did not significantly impact the public debate about rail, at least not in my estimation.  But I do think that there should be some mention in the main page space of course before referring to a fork page.  I anticipate that Rangerdude will resist this suggestion.  You might pose it on the talk page to see what others think. · Katefan0(scribble) 19:36, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

I have now made a proposal on this topic here: User:Johntex/Proposal

My RFA: Thanks
Thank you for your support on my RFA. Now that I have been promoted, I promise to be as hardworking and fair with the admin tools as I have been with the other areas here on Wikipedia. See you around and happy editing. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 00:35, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support
Thank you for voting on my RFA. Have some pie! I was pleasantly surprised by the sheer number of supporters (including several people that usually disagree with my opinion). I shall do my best with the proverbial mop. Yours, Radiant_ >|< 08:14, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Houston Chronicle mediation
I've heard you were involved in a content dispute on this page, so I'm asking you if you'd be willing to talk about your views on the matter to help mediation. Please indicate if you are willing to do so and promise the follow these rules.
 * 1) You won't edit the article while mediation is ongoing. Suspected sockpuppeting should be reported to me personally for investigation.
 * 2) No comments aimed at the other party or their edits should contain loaded language that can be construed as offensive or otherwise hurtful.
 * 3) Mediation should be done in good faith without regard for previous editing behavior.
 * 4) Comments should be made about the other person's edits and not them as a person. If possible you should try to bring sources to the table which I can review.
 * If, somewhere along the way, you think there's a possibility to reach an agreement on any of the disputed points, let it be known as soon as you can.

Please respond on my talk page as soon as you can. -- Mgm|(talk) 18:47, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)

American Old West at the US Collaboration
Some time ago, you supported the nomination of American Old West at the COTW. I have now renominated it at the new US Collaboration. If you are still interested, you can support the article with your vote there!--Fenice 08:55, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Vfd
The WikiProject Wikipedians for Decency article has been locked by an admin who is involved in the dispute and keeps reinserting his/her name in violation of WP:POINT. If your attitude about the project is sincere, you may wish to read through the project talk page and also to examine the behavior of those who voted "delete" and then sign on as members.--MONGO 20:23, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

Hubbert peak theory and Hubbertism
(At User:Zzyzx11's talk page) Hello, thank you for acting on my request for Speedy Deletion of Hubbertism. However, you have made it a redirect to Hubbert peak theory. I am not sure that is the best thing to do. I've read somewhere in Wikipedia's many policies and guidelines that an article which is a target of a redirection should use the redirected word somewhere in the first paragraph. The logic of this is so the person who went to the redirected word can quickly see why they were redirected. I would object to using Hubbertism in the intro to Hubbert peak theory because Hubbertism is a neologism that I don't think should be afforded that sort of prominence. I ask you to consider outright deletion instead. Thanks! Johntex 19:01, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Neologisms and subjects that could be inherently POV do not qualify for speedy deletion. And the practice of having all "inbound redirects" mentioned in the first couple of paragraphs of the article is more of a style guideline with less rigid rules of thumb, rather than an actual set policy in which everyone is expected to follow. Obiviously, you and Benjamin Gatti are debating over the merit of this particular subject on the talk pages and thus you should consider applying some of steps outlined in Resolving disputes. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 19:33, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi Zzzyzx11, thanks for your reply. I have in fact been working down the steps in dispute resolution.  In addition to attempts to discuss the topic at the Article/Talk page, I have also attempted to engage other outside opinions by listing Hubbert peak theory at Wikiquette Alerts.  If that fails, I guess the next step will be a request for mediation.  As to Hubbertism, if neologisms are not candidates for Speedy Deletion, I will list it at VfD instead.  Johntex 19:41, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Hubbert peak and consensus
Thanks for your help in keeping major changes to the Hubbert peak theory limited to consensus. I admit that Ben makes it hard enough for me to stay cool that I have to step back a bit. It is good to know that some people will help stand up to his war on wikipedia (thought to be honest I think he actually belives he is right even if he comess off as a troll more often than not). Dalf | Talk 07:03, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Alleged causes of Hurricane Katrina
Hi. A press release from Repent America's webpage,, quotes Repent America director Michael Marcavage as stating: "Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed a wicked city." How would you address this quote, with respect to the article? -- BD2412 talk 20:06, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Hello, thanks for the message on my talk page. As you correctly state, Repent America said "...Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed a wicked city..."  That is not the same as them saying the city was destroyed because of Southern Decadence, or even because of "wickedness" in general.  It would clearly be fine to quote them as saying the city is "wicked" or to quote them as saying they believe this creates an opportunity for righteousness to emerge, but they never say that the "act of God" was caused by anything at all.   Johntex 20:16, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... that depends on whether "act of God" means "natural disaster" or "divine intervention." I think it could be interpreted either way, and I think it was so written for exactly that purpose. -- BD2412 talk 20:17, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * That is possible. I'm not familiar with Repent America, other than what I read on their web page.  I don't know how they define "act of God".  THey may consider each birth and death and every event that takes place in the cosmos to be an "act of God".  I think we should not speculate about what they meant.  Now, if some other notable group happens to come along and interpret what Repent America said, we could certainly quote their interpretation - we just shoudn't interpret it ourselves.  Johntex 20:24, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I've put the above quote in the article with the caveat that the meaning is ambiguous. Let me know what you think. -- BD2412 talk 20:33, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think your new quote is accurate and relevant. It gives enough context for people to get the gist of what Repent America said, and to follow the link to the press release if they want to learn more.  Good work!  Johntex 20:41, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks - now, can I sway you on deleting the article? -- BD2412 talk 20:57, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Boy Scouts
(On User talk:Evrik) Hello, I have reverted your rediction from Boy Scouts of America to [Category:Boy Scouts of America]. The category and the article are not supposed to be the same thing. In the future, please discuss major changes on the article talk page, and use edit summaries to let people know what you are trying to do. Thank you very much. Johntex\talk 19:29, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Hello again. I see you have reverted my reversion.  Please explain why you are making these big changes with no discussion.  If you do not do so, then I will report this as vandalism.  Thanks, Johntex\talk 19:42, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi John, I wasn't quick enough in posting my comments! The Scouting page is too long and should be broken up. The category page is the best way to do this. bga evrik

 * Thanks for your message on my talk page. I am sure we can clear this up with some dialog.  I applaud your good intentions in helping us keep the size of individual articles down.  However, I don't think this is the way to go.  First of all, it seems as though you are taking the article content and pasting it over the category information.  That does not decrease the size of the article.  It only removes information about what topics are related.  If I am missing something, please help me understand what it is.  Thanks again - Johntex\talk 19:49, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Post Script: I want to reorganize the Category Page, but if you keep changing it before I can start placing things in categories it'll never happen! evrik

 * Hi Evrik - thanks for the new message. I'm sure you are trying to make things better, but I really can't see any way that moving the content of an article to a category is going to help.  I don't seem to be the only one who thinks that way, either.  As Tuf Kat said on the article talk page, these two things (articles and categories) are fundamentally different.  I suggest you create a working page, such as Boy Scouts of America/Sandbox and play with that page.  When you get it like you think it should be, then you can post a message on the article talk page letting all interested editors know about your proposed improvement.  Johntex\talk 20:04, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

 * John - I went back and replaced the text you deleted on the controversies page because I noticed you hadn't replaced it on the Boy Scout article. If you delete it again ... make sure you restore it from where it was originally taken. After having reread the the guidelines again ... I realized that TufKat was right ... but this is different. I have read the guidelines yet again, and do believe that in the case of the controversies page, the text that sits at the top of the page serves to introduce the issue and is not tooo long. In any case, I tried to make the category a subcategory of the BSA category. I do have a fundamental problem with the way many of the pages in wikipedia are organized ... and was trying to make the BSA page easier to read.  evrik

 * Hello Evrik, the problem with this approach is that when someone opens the Category, they see what looks like an article. They don't see the articles that belong to this classification unless they scroll significantly down the page.  I suggest in this case what may work well is sub-articles.  For example, at Hurricane Katrina, there is a brief description of the impact on New Orleans, but the reader is directed to the main article on Effects of Hurricane Katrina on New Orleans.  Similarly, Louisiana Superdome has some information about what happened to the structure during the hurricane, but readers are directed back to the "Effects" article again.  To carry the analogy to the current case, you could create an article Controversies about the Boy Scouts of America.  At that page, you could discuss each controversy very breifly, with a pointer to each controversy's individual article (currently there are 3 of them).  Those 4 articles would all be flagged withe the controvery category.  Finally, over at Boy Scouts of America, there would be a brief paragraph explaining that the orgainization has been involved in some controversies, and then directing readers to the main article at Boy Scouts of America controversies.  The way to do this is with the "main" or "seemain" template.  What do you think? Johntex\talk 23:20, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Texas Revolution
Sorry JohnTex, i am a Scotsman. I'm afraid I do not have the authority or the knowledge to re work the Texas Revolution article.

My RFA
Thank you so much for supporting my RFA; it meant all the more because I respect your contributions so much. · Katefan0(scribble) 21:52, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

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Rom (river)

The Rom (Romansh: Rom; Ram; Rombach in Switzerland or Rambach in South Tyrol (Italy) is a river in Switzerland and Italy. The 24.7 km long river is a tributary of the Adige. It rises in the Ortler Alps, close to the Fuorn Pass. It flows through the Val Müstair in Switzerland, and joins the Adige near the town Glurns in the Italian province of South Tyrol. The drainage basin is 189 km2.

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Talk:Alessandro Valignano

Neutrality Discussion
This article should be cleaned up in an effort to remove biased opinions. While many people may question the actions of Valignano, the article itself should endeavor to present an objective account of his life - no guesses as to Valignano's motives, beliefs, or racism are necessary or helpful. --TheTriumvir 20:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Additions?
I could really use some help with this page. I know quite a bit about this guy, but I'm something of a Wiki newb. Please add images and some more background text and we can bring this up to featured article status in no time! --circuitloss 21:26, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

More specifically, this article could really use images of the seminaries (if anyone can find them) or old paintings/drawings of the port of Nagasaki. --circuitloss 18:25, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Article creator plagerized? --Nope!
I've tried not to delete too much of the origional text out of respect for other Wikipedians. However, the first version of this page was a cut and paste job from http://alessandro-valignano.biography.ms/

Is this plagerism? I don't really know, but I have removed much of the first version. The only extant line should be the first lead-in paragraph. I can rewrite this too if neccessary. --circuitloss 18:57, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * The page you are mentioning actually takes its content from Wikipedia (please read at the bottom of that page "Content from Wikipedia under GDFL"). Anybody is free to re-use Wikipedia content. So you certainly don't have to delete the original content in this article (please) :-) Regards PHG 22:09, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok, sorry about that. I didn't know which came from which.  I think that we've come to a pretty good balance with this article.  I'd like more about what he did before he came to Japan and in between his visits. (I think he visited other missions and was an administrator in Macao)  I mainly know about thej Japanese mission. --circuitloss 23:44, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

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I'd like to bring this article up to "featured" status. Please make any edits or make suggestions that you think would help improve this piece to that point. I can do an RFC as soon as any contributors are satisfied that this is close to perfect. Should we footnote everything? --circuitloss 02:51, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Racist
The following sentence is wrong.
 * Valignano paved the way for a closer relationship between Asian and European peoples by advocating equal treatment of all human beings.

He was, like most missionaries, a racist to our modern eyes. In fact, he was a white supremacist. He just classified the Chinese and Japanese into "White." He clearly discriminated against the "Colored" (Indians) and New Christians. He was even cautious about letting Indian-born "pure" Portuguese join the Society of Jesus because they grew up in the "vicious land." --Nanshu 21:30, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Nanshu, considering the time period we are talking about (the 1500s) he was a reformer without precedent. He advocated the creation of a native Japanese clergy, something which no Europeans even understood at the time, and he took measures to reform the harsh treatment of Japanese individuals by European clergy.  Valignano was a great reformer of Catholic doctrine and teaching.  You simply can't judge him by 21st century standards.  Judge him by the standards of the 15th, and he is incredibly progressive. --circuitloss 02:51, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

 * You dodged my point. That's not what I am talking about. Did he treat all human beings equally? Definitely no. The article contains wrong information and it should be corrected. That's all.
 * And I'm fully aware of the danger of judging history by the modern standard. But we should take into account the fact that Wikipedia users live in the 21th century, not the 15th. This article gives us the wrong impression that he was not a racist, even to our modern eyes. --Nanshu 23:33, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok, if your point is that Valignano reclassified the Japanese as "white" rather than being truly egalitarian I think there is evidence to support this. Make whatever corrections you think are necessary to clarify his beliefs, but I think that using your litmus test EVERYONE is racist to some degree or another.  (Everyone probably is...)  But what makes Valignano stand out is the way that he reformed the abuses of Cabral.  Ordaining non-Europeans as Jesuits was an incredibly progressive and era-changing thing to advocate.  --circuitloss 21:33, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

As for his racist remarks on Indians, see Joseph Wicki ed., Documenta Indica, XIII, Rome, 1957, pp.259, 260. (I heard it at second hand.) My edits heavily rely on Takase Koichirō 高瀬弘一郎's works. Currently I'm reading his Kirishitan jidai no bunka to shosō キリシタン時代の文化と諸相.

Now I start editing the article. Leaving aside factual errors (Hideyoshi never became shogun; What we call Sakoku was done by Tokugawa Iemitsu, not Ieyasu; and...), it is not easy to npov the article. It is written from Valignano's point of view, and I think the situation was not so simple as you depicted.

There was a bad guy and he did bad things. Then a good man came. He changed bad things to good things and everyone went happy.... No. It is rather accurate to say there were two opinions and Valignano represented one minority view. The other opinion remained dominant before, during and after Valignano's term. And we should not easily label them good or bad. --Nanshu 23:02, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Well said. Much of what I've been reading comes from C.R. Boxer and focuses on the reforms put in place by Valignano, especially as far as the seminaries were concerned.  This may account for the slant in favor of him.  Considering that Valignano was the ultimate authority and eventually forced Cabral to resign, how is this opinion not "dominant," at least vis a vis the Jesuit hierarchy in Japan?  --circuitloss 01:32, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

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Given the lengthy article on Yasuke, I fail to understand why here he is not mentioned at all... --Terminallyuncool2 (talk) 13:26, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

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Legend of the Burning Sands

Legend of the Burning Sands (LBS) is an out-of-print collectible card game (CCG) published by Five Rings Publishing Group (FRPG, then a subsidiary of Wizards of the Coast) in July 1998. It was a spin-off from the earlier CCG Legend of the Five Rings. Legend of the Burning Sands was set in the same fictional world as Legend of the Five Rings, but with an Arabian setting rather than an East Asian one, with a few characters appearing in both games. Both games had similar mechanics and emphasized a continuing storyline.

The first three Legend of the Burning Sands sets were released under FRPG's experimental Rolling Thunder system, which emphasized small, regular releases of cards. The Rolling Thunder distribution mechanism proved to be unpopular, however, so the game was put on hiatus. After six months, the game's massive conclusion set, The Awakening, was released, but interest in the game had already faded significantly. Sales were poor, and most of the stock was destroyed rather than being warehoused. Today, cards from The Awakening are in high demand from collectors.

Much like Legend of the Five Rings, LBS included many factions, especially towards the end of the game, where 12 different groups existed: The Ashalan, Ivory Kingdoms, Assassins, Ra'Shari, Senpet, Yodatai, Celestial Alliance, Jackals, Ebonites, Moto, Dahab and Qabal.

Expansion sets

 * 1) Shadow of the Tyrant: Released July 1998. 156 cards.
 * 2) Secrets and Lies: Released October 1998. 104 cards.
 * 3) Black Hand, Black Heart: Released December 1998. 104 cards.
 * 4) The Awakening: Released June 1999. Approximately 315 cards.

Revival
In 2006, a movement was started to revive LBS at Origins and GenCon. A project was later started to photo document all known cards in the hopes of building standard rules for proxying cards to be able to play.

A plugin for the free LackeyCCG engine was also created. It includes all the cards picture, text and rulings, allowing players to enjoy online games of Legends of the Burning Sands without any constraints regarding cards disponibility nor geographical emplacement.

In 2012, the game system was revised and implemented in the game "Romance of the Nine Empires" which was inspired by the movie "The Gamers: Hands of Fate." During the movie's Kickstarter campaign, Alderac Entertainment Group promised the game's release as a stretch goal option.

Fan remaster
On June 18, 2021, the completion of a fan project to remaster Legend of the Burning Sands was announced on BoardGameGeek by the original project lead from the 2006 revival. The Remaster features new card templates, updated rulebook, and reworked card texts.

Role-playing game
Alderac Entertainment Group has announced the release of a Legend of the Burning Sands sourcebook for their 3rd Edition Legend of the Five Rings Role-Playing Game. The book, a stand-alone game compatible with L5R, was released in September, 2008. A Fourth edition update was released as a free PDF in 2010.

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Utica Children's Museum

The Utica Children's Museum is a children's museum in Utica, New York. It closed its old downtown location in 2020 at the start of the COVID-19 pandemic. Its new location along Utica's Memorial Parkway is expected to open in 2024.

History
The museum was founded on August 1, 1963, by the Utica Junior League. Originally called the "Junior Museum of Oneida County", it was housed in the basement of the Utica Public Library, and its only exhibit was a replica of an Iroquois longhouse. In 1965, the museum moved to a former city Parks department building in Roscoe Conkling Park and remained there for nine years. In 1974 it moved into the upper floor of the Valley View golf course, also within Roscoe Conkling Park. In 1975 its name was changed to the Mohawk Valley Museum.

In 1979, the museum moved into the John C. Hieber Building, where it stayed until 2020. Initially the museum occupied the first floor and half of the second floor of the Hieber Building, but it soon expanded to three floors. The fourth floor was opened in 2002 with help from NASA and the Office of Science. The Junior League of Utica disbanded in 2006. In 2017, the museum approved a managed services contract with local non-profit Kids Oneida, which would rename itself ICAN in 2019.

In March 2020, ICAN announced that the museum would be relocating to a new building on the Memorial Parkway, located at the former location of the Utica City School District administrative offices. The COVID-19 pandemic caused the museum to close its old location sooner than expected. Through the pandemic, it held virtual programming and visits by a bookmobile-like van called it calls the "Mobile Museum". Groundbreaking on the new building was held in October 2021. The museum is expected to reopen in 2024.

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Charles E. Stanton

Charles Egbert Stanton (November 22, 1858 – May 8, 1933) was an officer in the United States Army, and attained the rank of colonel. A veteran of the Spanish–American War, he served as chief disbursing officer and aide to General John J. Pershing during World War I. He is best known for having included the memorable expression "Lafayette, we are here!" in a speech he gave in Paris during the First World War.

Early life
Charles E. Stanton was born in Monticello, Illinois on November 22, 1858, a son of Egbert Stanton and Adeline (Morgan) Stanton. As a boy he was raised in part along the roadbed of the Union Pacific Railroad during its construction as part of the First transcontinental railroad; his father ran businesses that catered to the construction crews, and was operating the railroad hotel at Promontory, Utah when the railroad was completed in 1869. At the ceremony on Promontory Summit where engines of the Union Pacific and the Central Pacific Railroad touched cowcatchers to symbolize the opening of the transcontinental route, Stanton rode in the UP's engine and rang the engine's bell.

Stanton was educated in San Francisco, and then attended Santa Clara University and Yale University. He worked at silver mines in Nevada, farmed in Minnesota, sold mineral water for a company in Idaho, and sold fire extinguishers in San Francisco. He served as Chief Clerk of the Utah Territorial Assembly, and Salt Lake County Clerk. He was a delegate to the Utah constitutional convention which resulted in statehood in 1895.

Army career
In 1898 Stanton was appointed a paymaster of volunteers in the United States Army with the rank of major. He served in the Philippines during the Spanish–American War, and after his 1901 discharge accepted a regular Army commission as a captain in the paymaster corps. He continued to serve in the army, and at the start of World War I he was a lieutenant colonel on the staff of John J. Pershing. He served as chief disbursing officer for the American Expeditionary Forces, and received the Distinguished Service Medal and the French Legion of Honor. Stanton retired as a colonel on December 1, 1920.

Army Distinguished Service Medal citation
The citation for Stanton's Army Distinguished Service Medal read:

"The President of the United States of America, authorized by Act of Congress, July 9, 1918, takes pleasure in presenting the Army Distinguished Service Medal to Colonel (Quartermaster Corps) Charles E. Stanton, United States Army, for exceptionally meritorious and distinguished services to the Government of the United States, in a duty of great responsibility during World War I. As Chief Disbursing Officer in the Office of the Finance Division, Quartermaster Corps, at Paris, Colonel Stanton performed his duties with unremitting zeal, displayed marked administrative ability and accurate judgment in solving problems of extraordinary difficulty, rendering services of marked worth. Service: Army Rank: Colonel Division: Quartermaster Corps General Orders: War Department, General Orders No. 70 (1919)"

Later career
After retiring from the army, Stanton served as a member of San Francisco's Board of Public Works. In 1931 he was enrolled in the American Legion as its one millionth member.

Stanton died in San Francisco on May 8, 1933. He was cremated at Cypress Lawn Memorial Park in Colma, California.

Lafayette quote
On July 4, 1917, Stanton visited the tomb of French Revolution and American Revolution hero Marquis de Lafayette and (according to Pershing) said, "Lafayette, we are here!" to honor the nobleman's assistance during the Revolutionary War and assure the French people that the people of the United States would aid them in World War I. The famous quote is often misattributed to Pershing, but Pershing himself attributed it to Stanton.

In context, Stanton said: "America has joined forces with the Allied Powers, and what we have of blood and treasure are yours. Therefore it is that with loving pride we drape the colors in tribute of respect to this citizen of your great republic. And here and now, in the presence of the illustrious dead, we pledge our hearts and our honor in carrying this war to a successful issue. Lafayette, we are here!"

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Dodge Nitro

The Dodge Nitro is a compact SUV manufactured and marketed by Dodge for model years 2007-2012 across a single generation — as a close variant of the second-generation Jeep Liberty. Both vehicles use a composite unitized construction integrating the body structure with full-length frame rails.

The Nitro entered production in August 2006 aside the Liberty at the Toledo North Assembly Plant in Toledo, Ohio and was offered in a single, four-door body configuration. Like the Liberty, it was manufactured in RHD and LHD configurations, and marketed globally. Sales commenced in September 2006 for model year 2007 in rear-wheel drive or optional and part-time four-wheel drive. Approximately 200,000 Nitro models were manufactured before production ended in December 2011.

Background
The Nitro was heavily influenced by the Dodge M80 concept truck, adopting much of it's styling, it's wheel design and even the same 3.7-liter Powertech V6 engine.

The Nitro debuted in February 2005 at the Chicago Auto Show as a concept with aluminum-trimmed vents door handles and rear hatch, as well as an interior with a center stack and shifter in satin silver.

The Nitro became Dodge's first compact SUV model since the Raider was discontinued in 1990. It also became the first modern Dodge marketed in Europe, where the Nitro was Dodge's only SUV until the 2009 model year when the larger, car-based, lower-priced Dodge Journey crossover SUV arrived.

The Nitro shares mechanicals and much bodywork with its platform-mate, the Jeep Liberty, while using a slightly extended wheelbase, the extra length split between the rear seat and cargo areas.

The Nitro debuted with an SUV class-leading 5000 lb towing capacity. Safety features such as electronic roll mitigation, traction control, and side curtain airbags, as well as a functional sliding cargo floor marketed as Load 'N Go were offered as standard equipment. The system allows a moveable floor panel to slide out from the cargo area by 18 in (457 mm) to ease loading.

Model years
For its debut in 2007, two-wheel and four-wheel drive were offered, along with a choice of a 3.7 L or 4.0 L V6 engines. The model designations were the SXT, SLT, and R/T. Available interior seating surfaces included cloth, stain-repellent cloth, and perforated leather. Standard safety features included front and rear side airbags, side curtain airbags, an electronic stability program with traction control and brake assist, electronic roll mitigation, and a tire-pressure monitor. The four-cylinder version was sold exclusively in Europe.

For the 2008 model year, the Nitro came in both 4x2 and 4x4 versions in SXT and SLT trim levels, each with a standard 210-hp 3.7 L V6 engine. The SXT trim included a standard six-speed manual transmission with an optional four-speed automatic. The SLT trim included a standard four-speed automatic. The optional R/T package increased the level of equipment with a 260-hp 4.0 L V6 engine mated to a five-speed automatic transmission. The Nitro's SXT trim included standard power mirrors, windows, and door locks with remote keyless entry, satellite radio, air conditioning, and seating for five. The SXT and R/T added alloy wheels, a power driver's seat, stain-repellent cloth, the Load 'N Go retractable cargo floor, fold-flat front-row passenger seat, cruise control, and an overhead console with a trip computer, compass, and exterior temperature display. Standard safety features included front airbags, side curtain airbags, traction and stability control with roll-over mitigation, brake assist, and a tire-pressure monitor.

In 2009, the Nitro was offered in both 4x2 and 4x4 versions with two trims levels: SE and SLT. Both came with a standard 210-hp 3.7 L V6 engine mated to a four-speed automatic transmission. The SXT with its six-speed manual transmission had been replaced by the SE trim that featured the automatic transmission. The SLT trim offered the optional R/T package which was made available with a 260-hp 4.0 L V6 engine mated to a five-speed automatic transmission. The Nitro's SE trim standards included power mirrors, windows, and door locks with remote keyless entry, satellite radio, air conditioning, and seating for five. The SXT and R/T added alloy wheels, a power driver's seat, stain-repellent cloth, the Load 'N Go retractable cargo floor, cruise control, and an overhead console with a trip computer, compass, and exterior temperature display. Standard safety features include front airbags, side curtain airbags, traction and stability control with roll-over mitigation, brake assist, and a tire-pressure monitor.

For the 2010 model year, three trim levels were offered: Heat, Detonator, and Shock trim levels in either 4x2 or 4x4 versions. The Heat trim was equipped with a 210-hp 3.7 L V6 engine mated to a four-speed automatic transmission. The Detonator and Shock trims included a 260-hp V6 engine mated to an automatic transmission. The Heat trim level had power mirrors, windows, and door locks with remote keyless entry, satellite radio, and air conditioning. The Detonator added a rear-park assist, remote start system, power driver's seat, cruise control, an overhead console with a trip computer, compass, and exterior temperature display. The Shock trim added heated front seats, leather trim interior, and a power sunroof. Among standard safety features were: front airbags, side curtain airbags, active head restraints, traction and stability control with roll-over mitigation, brake assist, and a tire-pressure monitor. The Load 'N Go sliding trunk floor feature was discontinued.

The 2011 model year continued the previous models in 4x2 or 4x4 versions with the same engines and transmissions. New for 2011 was the Heat 4.0 lifestyle package. The Heat 4.0 came standard with a five-speed automatic transmission, Uconnect Phone, and an upgraded eight-speaker sound system. Also, select models came with upgraded interiors with new cloth and leather with premium colored stitching. Detonator and Shock were branded with Dodge Brand's signature racing stripes. Additionally, all models became available with nine exterior colors, including Bright White Clear Coat, Blackberry Pearl Coat, Toxic Orange Pearl Coat, and Redline Two Coat Pearl.

Chrysler built 2012 Dodge Nitros for the fleet market only, featured in retail brochures, but not indicated on Dodge's United States & Canada websites. The final Nitro came off the assembly line in December 2011, with a total of 175,510 (conflicts with number below) units built since its introduction.

Australia
In Australia, versions could have only the 3.7 L V6 in SXT trim with automatic transmission. No manual option was offered, but diesels were on sale until 2010 MY.

Withdrawn Europe commercial
In early 2007, a TV advertisement in Europe for the Nitro with the tag line: "charged with adrenaline", showed a dog electrocuted after lifting its leg on the SUV's front wheel. The ad received negative attention and was withdrawn.

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Hi Jyoshimi. Thanks for your work at Supervenience, which I think is quite valuable. My editing there is just to tweak things for even more rigour and clarity. Often it helps to have another editor who is familiar with the topic doing a "second polishing" like that, and it certainly doesn't reflect badly on the first editor's efforts! I'll be happy to keep collaborating, if more needs to be done. You are closer to the details in the literature than I am, I think. Let's discuss points at the talk page for the article, if that seems necessary – or here, or at my page. For the moment I prefer not to communicate by email, though I may want to do that later. All the best to you. – Noetica 22:49, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

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