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Belgium
The former featured Belgium article has been modified along the lines suggested in the preceeding review, reasons to remove the featured status, and first trial to get re-featured. In particular, history has been strongly reduced, almost all pictures have been replaced by better ones, the culture section has been re-structured and the reference style has been improved. I am expecting your comments and suggestions. Is this page now ready to be re-featured? Vb 10:44, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It looks good. I didn't see anything significant that needed to be added or fixed. (Just one typo: "Begian".) Thanks. — RJH 20:26, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Ok, once these are taken care of, I'll move on to more stuff. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  18:33, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Review
 * There are too many maps. Please remove the ones in the =history= section and replace them with more apporpriate photographs
 * I removed one -- see comment below
 * reduce Demographics, language, literacy and religion to ==Demographics== done
 * ==Communities and Regions of Belgium== needs to be reduced to the subdivisions/regions of Belgium. Those extra details can be pushed into the subarticle.
 * This comment has been addressed by addition of a sentence specifying how important this topic is for Belgium and why this information should not be further summarized Vb 09:29, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The geography has too many images. remove 1 done
 * The page size is 37kb which means that long sections will have to be cut down to under 30 kb. It is imperative that the page size be pushed to less than 30kb for now, because when actual copyediting work starts, the size shoots up drastically.
 * Please use the countryinfobox template done
 * remove the bulleted text from geography. What is the highest point? Are there any regions below sea level? Use the non breaking space (&nbsp;) between a number and a unit. C, mm, etc. done
 * Trade is made together...? done hope it's clearer now
 * move the bascilica image up done
 * ==Politcs== and ==Culture== sections need to be cut down.

 * Dear Nicholas,

Thank you very much for your review. Many of your comments are very useful. Others are less so. I hope your comments are first hints to a discussion and not definitive.
 * 1) Your comment about ==Communities and Regions of Belgium== is not correct.  This administrative division of Belgium is very typical.  Belgium is the only country in the world with such a division.  It appears at first sight very complicated and strange to foreigners but it is like this.  It is so important that this double division (Communities and Regions) is written explicitly at the start of the constitution.  There are no hierarchy between the Regions and the Communities!  Those legal bodies are overlapping but do not correspond to the same geographical regions.  They both correspond to different conncepts which are not shared by all Belgians.  The present description is the result of a very difficult compromise.  What you describe as details are not details but constitutive elements of the country.  If I would apply your suggestion, any Belgian passing by would directly edit the page to include what you are calling details.
 * 2) The sections ==Politcs== and ==Culture== are quite difficult to digest more.  Could you give me some hints about what in your opinion should be cut down?  Politics is now divided in four paragraphs: legislative. executive and justice, political parties and lobbies, current policies.  I personally think all four parts are informative and difficult to digest further.  For example cutting into the fourth paragraph will automatically lead to non NPOV.  Cutting it utterly is a bit stupid.  This paragraph was born because some editor wanted to add info about nuclear phase out.  I thought this is an interesting info but is NPOV if and only if other current Belgian politics are discussed to a comparable extend. About culture, talking about Belgium culture requires to speak about its artistic production.  This is not because the article about Nepal does not include it that every country article should mimic that! :-)  The culture of Belgium is not only its food, folklore and sport!  If you want to be a bit informative you need to say a bit more than Belgium is well-known for its pop music.  If I would do as you suggest any Belgian passing by will edit the page and add the info I suppressed in a non NPOV style (depending whether she is Walloon or Flemish).
 * 3) About the size 36K is a usual size for featured articles. I think what you say about explosion of the size is correct but must be addressed as the copyedit find place not afterwards.
 * 4) The pictures of geography have been chosen to please as well the Flemish as the Walloons. NPOV is a very important point which has to be taken into account when writing this article -- at all levels!  If you don't do that the page shall be very fast vandalised!
 * 5) The highest point of Belgium is the Signal de Botrange at 694m (as written in the article at its place, i.e. at the description of the Ardennes). Belgium has no notable region below the sea level but there are also many other things that Belgium don't have.
 * 6) Why don't you like the list in Geography?  I didn't do it but I like: it it helps reading.
 * 7) The maps in history are important because the political meaning of Belgium has changes very much during history.  The first map shows for example the roman province Belgium was located much more in France than in today's Belgium.  The second map shows for example what was the location of the Bishopric of Liège which was distinct of the Burgundian Netherlands or that the Duchy of Brabant was split over the Belgian-Netherlandish border.  People reading the article must realize Belgium was not clearly localized in history!  And was also not really corresponding to a particular people or ethnic group.  I think the maps are helping very much in attaining these aims.

So I thank you once again for your suggestion and I hope you understand why I shall not implement them in their entirety. I have not the time now to make all the changes you suggested with which I agree. I'll do that tomorrow or later.

Vb 17:41, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

I would ask you to have this article copyedited before I can review again. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  15:57, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Review
 * infelicities such as: bordered by the Netherlands, Germany, Luxembourg, France, and the North Sea. ; As a result, the country is linguistically and culturally split to a certain extent.
 * I could change the second; I don't feel what's wrong with the first Vb 16:11, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 *  so many --> many
 * Changed the wording Vb 16:11, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * dont start a section with a left aligned image.
 * This was the only way that the picture do not hit the infobox Vb 16:11, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The history section starts little awkwardly.
 * I have tried to improve this Vb 21:05, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * As I've done to the Eigenvalues article, please remove text within parenthesis
 * Belgium possessed: how was it "possessed"? force? Another word needs to be substituted
 * Changed the wording Vb 16:11, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * was no match --> was crushed
 * Changed the paragraph Vb 16:11, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Benelux could be expanded
 * I have tried to do so Vb 16:11, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * remove those sees from =Politics=
 * Done Vb 16:17, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * institutions are complex?
 * I think in the Belgian case they are. One example is provided. Vb 16:11, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * where one can find
 * Changed the wording Vb 16:16, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Dear Nicholas,

I think now all your remarks have been taken into account. Some editors have copyedited it and I believe one could remove the copyedit flag. Vb 13:17, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

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Evening Standard British Film Awards

The Evening Standard British Film Awards were established in 1973 by London's Evening Standard newspaper. The Standard Awards is the only ceremony "dedicated to British and Irish talent," judged by a panel of "top UK critics." Each ceremony honours films from the previous year.

1973 Winners

 * Best Actor : Keith Michell – Henry VIII and His Six Wives
 * Best Actress : Glenda Jackson – Mary, Queen of Scots
 * Best Comedy : The National Health – Jack Gold
 * Best Film : Ryan's Daughter – David Lean
 * Best Newcomer – Actor : Simon Ward
 * Best Newcomer – Actress : Lynne Frederick

1974 Winners

 * Best Actor : Michael Caine – Sleuth
 * Best Actress : Glenda Jackson – A Touch of Class
 * Best Comedy : The Three Musketeers – Richard Lester
 * Best Film : Live and Let Die – Guy Hamilton
 * Best Newcomer – Actor : Edward Fox
 * Best Newcomer – Actress : Heather Wright

1975 Winners

 * Best Actor : Albert Finney – Murder on the Orient Express
 * Best Actress : Wendy Hiller – Murder on the Orient Express
 * Best Comedy : The Four Musketeers – Richard Lester
 * Best Film : Murder on the Orient Express – Sidney Lumet
 * Best Newcomer – Actor : Robin Askwith
 * Best Newcomer – Actress : Jill Townsend

1976 Winners

 * Best Actor : Peter Sellers – The Return of the Pink Panther
 * Best Actress : Annette Crosbie – The Slipper and the Rose
 * Best Comedy : The Return of the Pink Panther – Blake Edwards
 * Best Film : Aces High – Jack Gold
 * Best Newcomer – Actor : Peter Firth
 * Best Newcomer – Actress : Gemma Craven

1977 Winners

 * Best Actor : John Thaw – Sweeney!
 * Best Actress : Billie Whitelaw – The Omen
 * Best Comedy : The Pink Panther Strikes Again – Blake Edwards
 * Best Film : A Bridge Too Far – Richard Attenborough
 * Best Newcomer – Actor : Dennis Waterman
 * Best Newcomer – Actress : Lesley-Anne Down

1978 Winners

 * Best Actor : Alec Guinness – Star Wars
 * Best Actress : Nanette Newman – International Velvet
 * Best Comedy : Revenge of the Pink Panther – Blake Edwards
 * Best Film : Star Wars – George Lucas
 * Best Newcomer – Actor : Michael J. Jackson
 * Best Newcomer – Actress : Lea Brodie

1979 Winners

 * Best Actor : Peter Ustinov – Death on the Nile
 * Best Actress : Maggie Smith – California Suite
 * Best Comedy : Porridge – Dick Clement
 * Best Film : Death on the Nile – John Guillermin
 * Best Newcomer – Actor : Simon MacCorkindale
 * Best Newcomer – Actress : Karen Dotrice

1980 Winners

 * Best Actor : Denholm Elliott – Bad Timing, Rising Damp, Zulu Dawn
 * Best Actress : Frances de la Tour – Rising Damp
 * Best Comedy : Rising Damp – Joseph McGrath
 * Best Film : Yanks – John Schlesinger
 * Best Newcomer – Actor : Jonathan Pryce
 * Best Newcomer – Actress : Wendy Morgan
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Leonard Rossiter

1981 Winners

 * Best Actor : Bob Hoskins – The Long Good Friday
 * Best Actress : Maggie Smith – Quartet
 * Best Film : The French Lieutenant's Woman – Karel Reisz
 * Best Screenplay : Colin Welland – Chariots of Fire
 * Most Promising Filmmaker : Franco Rosso
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Bill Forsyth

1982 Winners

 * Best Actor : Trevor Howard – Light Years Away
 * Best Actress : Jennifer Kendal – 36 Chowringhee Lane
 * Best Film : Moonlighting – Jerzy Skolimowski
 * Best Screenplay : John Krish – Friend or Foe
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Cassie McFarlane
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Michael Blakemore

1983 Winners

 * Best Actor : Ben Kingsley – Gandhi, Betrayal
 * Best Actress : Phyllis Logan – Another Time, Another Place
 * Best Film : The Ploughman's Lunch – Richard Eyre
 * Best Screenplay : Ian McEwan – The Ploughman's Lunch
 * Best Technical or Artistic Achievement : Chris Menges
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Neil Jordan
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Bill Forsyth
 * Special Award : Richard Attenborough

1984 Winners

 * Best Actor : John Hurt – 1984, Champions, The Hit
 * Best Actress : Helen Mirren – Cal
 * Best Film : 1984 – Michael Radford
 * Best Screenplay : Bernard MacLaverty – Cal
 * Best Technical or Artistic Achievement : John Alcott
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Tim Roth
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Denholm Elliott

1985 Winners

 * Best Actor : Victor Banerjee – A Passage to India
 * Best Actress : Miranda Richardson – Dance with a Stranger
 * Best Film : My Beautiful Laundrette – Stephen Frears
 * Best Screenplay : Malcolm Mowbray, Alan Bennett – A Private Function
 * Best Technical or Artistic Achievement : Norman Garwood
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Margi Clarke, Alexandra Pigg
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Michael Palin
 * Special Award : George Harrison, Denis O'Brien

1986 Winners

 * Best Actor : Ray McAnally – The Mission, No Surrender
 * Best Actress : Coral Browne – Dreamchild
 * Best Film : A Room with a View
 * Best Screenplay : Robert Bolt – The Mission
 * Best Technical or Artistic Achievement : Tony Pierce-Roberts – A Room with a View
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Gary Oldman – Sid and Nancy
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Clockwise – John Cleese
 * Special Award : Jake Eberts
 * Special Award: George Harrison and Dennis O'Brien

1987 Winners

 * Best Actor : Derek Jacobi – Little Dorrit
 * Best Actress : Emily Lloyd – Wish You Were Here
 * Best Film : Hope and Glory – John Boorman
 * Best Screenplay : Alan Bennett – Prick Up Your Ears
 * Best Technical or Artistic Achievement : Anthony Pratt – Hope and Glory
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Harry Hook – The Kitchen Toto
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Personal Services, Wish You Were Here – David Leland

1988 Winners

 * Best Actor : Bob Hoskins – Who Framed Roger Rabbit, The Lonely Passion of Judith Hearne
 * Best Actress : Billie Whitelaw – The Dressmaker, Maggie Smith – The Lonely Passion of Judith Hearne
 * Best Film : A Fish Called Wanda – Charles Crichton
 * Best Screenplay : Bruce Robinson – Withnail and I
 * Best Technical or Artistic Achievement : William Diver, Patrick Duval – Distant Voices, Still Lives
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Kristin Scott Thomas – A Handful of Dust, Jodhi May – A World Apart
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : A Fish Called Wanda – Charles Crichton
 * Special Award : Richard Williams

1989 Winners

 * Best Actor : Daniel Day-Lewis – My Left Foot
 * Best Actress : Pauline Collins – Shirley Valentine
 * Best Film : Henry V – Kenneth Branagh
 * Best Screenplay : Willy Russell – Shirley Valentine
 * Best Technical or Artistic Achievement : Anton Furst – Batman
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Andi Engel– Melancholia
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : High Hopes – Mike Leigh
 * Special Award : Peter Greenaway

1990 Winners

 * Best Actor : Iain Glen – Mountains of the Moon, Fools of Fortune, Silent Scream
 * Best Actress : Natasha Richardson – The Comfort of Strangers, The Handmaid's Tale
 * Best Film : The Krays – Peter Medak
 * Best Screenplay : Michael Eaton – Fellow Traveller
 * Best Technical or Artistic Achievement : David Watkin – Memphis Belle
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Philip Ridley – The Krays
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Robbie Coltrane

1991 Winners

 * Best Actor : Alan Rickman – Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, Close My Eyes, Truly Madly Deeply
 * Best Actress : Juliet Stevenson – Truly, Madly, Deeply
 * Best Film : Close My Eyes – Stephen Poliakoff
 * Best Screenplay : Neil Jordan – The Miracle
 * Best Technical or Artistic Achievement : Sandy Powell – Edward II, The Miracle, The Pope Must Die
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Anthony Minghella – Truly, Madly, Deeply
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : The Commitments – Dick Clement, Roddy Doyle, Ian La Frenais

1992 Winners

 * Best Actor : Daniel Day-Lewis – The Last of the Mohicans
 * Best Actress : Emma Thompson – Howards End, Peter's Friends
 * Best Film : Howards End – James Ivory
 * Best Screenplay : Terence Davies – The Long Day Closes
 * Best Technical or Artistic Achievement : Sue Gibson – Hear My Song, Secret Friends
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Peter Chelsom – Hear My Song
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Peter's Friends

1993 Winners

 * Best Actor : David Thewlis – Naked
 * Best Actress : Emma Thompson – The Remains of the Day, Much Ado About Nothing
 * Best Film : Raining Stones – Ken Loach
 * Best Screenplay : Jim Allen – Raining Stones
 * Best Technical or Artistic Achievement : Sandy Powell – Orlando, Stuart Craig – The Secret Garden
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Vadim Jean, Gary Sinyor – Leon the Pig Farmer
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Les Blair – Bad Behaviour
 * Special Award : Anthony Hopkins

1994 Winners

 * Best Actor : Ben Kingsley – Schindler's List
 * Best Actress : Kristin Scott Thomas – Four Weddings and a Funeral
 * Best Film : In the Name of the Father – Jim Sheridan
 * Best Screenplay : Richard Curtis – Four Weddings and a Funeral
 * Best Technical or Artistic Achievement : Dave Borthwick, Richard 'Hutch' Hutchinson – The Secret Adventures of Tom Thumb
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Ian Hart – Backbeat, Gurinder Chadha – Bhaji on the Beach
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Hugh Grant – Four Weddings and a Funeral
 * Special Award : Alec Guinness

1995 Winners

 * Best Actor : Jonathan Pryce – Carrington
 * Best Actress : Kristin Scott Thomas – Angels & Insects
 * Best Film : The Madness of King George – Nicholas Hytner
 * Best Screenplay : Alan Bennett – The Madness of King George
 * Best Technical and Artistic Achievement : Andrew Dunn – The Madness of King George
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Danny Boyle – Shallow Grave
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Peter Chelsom – Funny Bones
 * Special Award : Lewis Gilbert

1996 Winners

 * Best Actor : Liam Neeson – Michael Collins
 * Best Actress : Kate Winslet – Sense and Sensibility, Jude
 * Best Film : Richard III – Ian McKellen
 * Best Screenplay : Emma Thompson – Sense and Sensibility, John Hodge – Trainspotting
 * Best Technical or Artistic Achievement : Tony Burrough – Richard III
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Emily Watson – Breaking the Waves
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Mark Herman – Brassed Off
 * Special Award : Leslie Phillips

1997 Winners

 * Best Actor : Robert Carlyle – The Full Monty, Carla's Song, Face
 * Best Actress : Katrin Cartlidge – Career Girls
 * Best Film : The Full Monty – Peter Cattaneo
 * Best Screenplay : Jeremy Brock – Mrs Brown
 * Best Technical or Artistic Achievement : Maria Djurkovic – Wilde
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Jude Law – Wilde
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Antony Sher – Mrs Brown
 * Special Award : Ray Boulting, Kenneth Branagh – Hamlet

1998 Winners

 * Best Actor : Derek Jacobi – Love Is the Devil
 * Best Actress : Julie Christie – Afterglow
 * Best Film : The General – John Boorman
 * Best Screenplay : Eileen Atkins – Mrs Dalloway
 * Best Technical or Artistic Achievement : Ashley Rowe – The Woodlanders, The Governess, Still Crazy, Twenty Four Seven
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Guy Ritchie – Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Bill Nighy – Still Crazy
 * Special Award : Ken Loach, Michael Caine

1999 Winners

 * Best Actor : Jeremy Northam – An Ideal Husband, The Winslow Boy
 * Best Actress : Samantha Morton – Dreaming of Joseph Lees
 * Best Film : East Is East – Damien O'Donnell
 * Best Screenplay : Tom Stoppard – Shakespeare in Love
 * Best Technical or Artistic Achievement : John de Borman – Hideous Kinky
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Peter Mullan – Orphans
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Hugh Grant – Notting Hill
 * Special Award : Freddie Francis

2000 Winners

 * Best Actor : Jim Broadbent – Topsy-Turvy
 * Best Actress : Julie Walters – Billy Elliot
 * Best Film : Topsy-Turvy – Mike Leigh
 * Best Screenplay : Neil Jordan – The End of the Affair
 * Best Technical or Artistic Achievement : Andrew Sanders – The Golden Bowl
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Jamie Bell – Billy Elliot
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Peter Lord, Nick Park – Chicken Run
 * Special Award : Peter Yates

2001 Winners

 * Best Film : Gosford Park
 * Best Actor : Linus Roache – Pandaemonium
 * Best Actress : Kate Winslet – Quills, Enigma, Iris
 * Best Screenplay : Richard Curtis, Andrew Davies, Helen Fielding – Bridget Jones's Diary
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Ben Hopkins – The Nine Lives of Tomas Katz
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Hugh Grant – Bridget Jones's Diary
 * Technical Achievement Award : Stuart Craig – Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone
 * Special Award : Christopher Lee

2002 Winners

 * Best Film : Dirty Pretty Things
 * Best Actor : Chiwetel Ejiofor – Dirty Pretty Things
 * Best Actress : Catherine Zeta-Jones – Chicago
 * Best Screenplay : Lawless Heart – Neil Hunter, Tom Hunsinger
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Asif Kapadia – The Warrior
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Keith Fulton, Louis Pepe, Lucy Darwin – Lost in La Mancha
 * Technical Achievement Award : Eve Stewart – production designer, All or Nothing
 * Special Award : Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli – 40 years of James Bond

2003 Winners

 * Best Film : Touching the Void
 * Best Actor : Paul Bettany – Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World, The Heart of Me
 * Best Actress : Emma Thompson – Love Actually
 * Best Screenplay : Buffalo Soldiers – Gregor Jordan, Nora Maccoby, Eric Weiss
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Max Pirkis – Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Bill Nighy – Love Actually
 * Technical Achievement Award : The Hours – Seamus McGarvey
 * Alexander Walker Special Award : Michael Winterbottom

2004 Winners

 * Best Film : Vera Drake
 * Best Actor : Paddy Considine – Dead Man's Shoes
 * Best Actress : Imelda Staunton – Vera Drake
 * Best Screenplay : My Summer of Love – Paweł Pawlikowski
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Emily Blunt, Natalie Press – My Summer of Love
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Simon Pegg – Shaun of the Dead
 * Technical Achievement Award : Roger Deakins – The Village, The Ladykillers
 * Alexander Walker Special Award : Working Title Films

2005 Winners

 * Best Film : The Constant Gardener
 * Best Actor : Ralph Fiennes – The Constant Gardener
 * Best Actress : Natasha Richardson – Asylum
 * Best Screenplay : Mark O'Halloran – Adam & Paul
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Saul Dibb – Bullet Boy
 * Technical Achievement Award : Neil Marshall – The Descent
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Tom Hollander – Pride & Prejudice
 * Alexander Walker Special Award : Nick Park

2006 Winners

 * Best Film : United 93
 * Best Actor : Daniel Craig – Casino Royale
 * Best Actress : Judi Dench – Notes on a Scandal
 * Best Screenplay : Peter Morgan – The Queen, The Last King of Scotland
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Paul Andrew Williams – London to Brighton
 * Technical Achievement Award : Anthony Dod Mantle – Brothers of the Head, The Last King of Scotland
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Sacha Baron Cohen – Borat
 * Alexander Walker Special Award : Stephen Frears

2007 Winners

 * Best Film : Control
 * Best Film Score : There Will Be Blood – Jonny Greenwood
 * Best Actor : Daniel Day-Lewis – There Will Be Blood
 * Best Actress : Helena Bonham Carter – Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
 * Best Screenplay : Matt Greenhalgh – Control
 * Most Promising Newcomer : John Carney – Once
 * Technical Achievement Award : Seamus McGarvey (cinematographer), Sarah Greenwood (production designer), Jacqueline Durran (costume designer) – Atonement
 * Alexander Walker Special Award : Julie Christie

2008 Winners

 * Best Film : Hunger
 * Best Director : Stephen Daldry – The Reader
 * Best Actor : Michael Sheen – Frost/Nixon, Pat Shortt – Garage
 * Best Actress : Tilda Swinton – Julia
 * Best Screenplay : Martin McDonagh – In Bruges
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Joanna Hogg – Unrelated
 * Technical Achievement Award : Mark Digby – Slumdog Millionaire
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Sally Hawkins – Happy-Go-Lucky
 * Alexander Walker Special Award : Mike Leigh

2009 Winners

 * Best Film : Fish Tank
 * Best Actor : Andy Serkis – Sex & Drugs & Rock & Roll
 * Best Actress : Anne-Marie Duff – Nowhere Boy
 * Best Screenplay : Jesse Armstrong, Simon Blackwell, Armando Iannucci and Tony Roche – In The Loop
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Peter Strickland – Katalin Varga
 * Best Documentary : Anvil! The Story of Anvil
 * Technical Achievement Award : Barry Ackroyd (cinematographer) – The Hurt Locker
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Sacha Baron Cohen – Brüno
 * Alexander Walker Special Award : Nicolas Roeg

2010 Winners

 * Best Film : Neds
 * Best Actor : Andrew Garfield – The Social Network & Never Let Me Go
 * Best Actress : Kristin Scott Thomas – Leaving
 * Best Screenplay : Clio Barnard – The Arbor
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Ben Wheatley – Director/Co-Producer of Down Terrace
 * Best Documentary : John Krish – A Day in the Life: Four Portraits of Post-War Britain
 * Technical Achievement Award : Gareth Edwards, for his Cinematography, Production Design and Visual Effects of Monsters
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Roger Allam – Tamara Drewe
 * Alexander Walker Special Award : Christopher Nolan for his contribution to film

2011 Winners

 * Best Film : We Need to Talk About Kevin
 * Best Actor : Michael Fassbender – Shame & Jane Eyre
 * Best Actress : Olivia Colman – Tyrannosaur
 * Best Screenplay : Andrew Haigh – Weekend
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Tom Kingsley & Will Sharpe – Co-writers/Directors of Black Pond
 * Best Documentary : Senna
 * Technical Achievement Award : Robbie Ryan, for his Cinematography on Wuthering Heights
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : The Guard
 * Alexander Walker Special Award : John Hurt for his contribution to cinema

2012 Winners

 * Best Film : Skyfall
 * Best Actor : Toby Jones – Berberian Sound Studio
 * Best Actress : Andrea Riseborough – Shadow Dancer
 * Best Screenplay : Malcolm Campbell – What Richard Did
 * Most Promising Newcomer : Sally El Hosaini – Writer/Director of My Brother the Devil
 * Best Documentary : The Imposter
 * Technical Achievement Award : Sarah Greenwood, Jacqueline Durran, and Seamus McGarvey, for their Production Design, Costume Design, and Cinematography on Anna Karenina
 * Peter Sellers Award for Comedy : Sightseers

2016 Winners

 * Best Film : Brooklyn
 * Best Actor : Idris Elba – Beasts of No Nation
 * Best Actress : Maggie Smith – The Lady in the Van
 * Best Documentary : Amy
 * Blockbuster of the Year : Star Wars: The Force Awakens
 * Editor's Award : 45 Years
 * Best Screenplay : Emma Donoghue – Room
 * Rising Star : Maisie Williams – The Falling
 * Comedy Award : Emma Thompson – The Legend of Barney Thomson
 * Technical Achievement : Mark Digby – production designer on Ex Machina
 * Outstanding Contribution : Alan Bennett

2017 Winners

 * Best Film : I, Daniel Blake
 * Best Actor : Hugh Grant – Florence Foster Jenkins
 * Best Actress : Kate Beckinsale – Love & Friendship
 * Best Supporting Actor : Arinze Kene – The Pass
 * Best Supporting Actress : Hayley Squires – I, Daniel Blake
 * Best Documentary : Before the Flood
 * Best Screenplay : Guy Hibbert – Eye in the Sky
 * Comedy Award : Bridget Jones's Baby
 * Breakthrough of the Year : Florence Pugh – Lady Macbeth
 * Technical Achievement : Max Richter – contribution of his music on Arrival
 * Most Powerful Scene : I, Daniel Blake
 * International Film of the Year : Lion
 * Editor's Award : Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

2018 Winners

 * Best Film : God's Own Country
 * Best Actor : Daniel Kaluuya – Get Out
 * Best Actress : Kristin Scott Thomas – The Party
 * Best Supporting Actor : Simon Russell Beale – The Death of Stalin
 * Best Supporting Actress : Gemma Jones – God's Own Country
 * Best Screenplay : Sally Potter – The Party
 * Comedy Award : Paddington 2
 * Breakthrough of the Year : Rungano Nyoni – I Am Not a Witch
 * Technical Achievement : Gary Williamson – contribution of his production design on Paddington 2

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USS Drayton (DD-366)

USS Drayton (DD-366) was a Mahan-class destroyer in the United States Navy before and during World War II. She was the second ship named for Captain Percival Drayton, a career naval officer who served during the American Civil War.

Drayton was launched 26 March 1936 by the Bath Iron Works, Bath, Maine; sponsored by Miss B. E. Drayton, great-grandniece of Captain Drayton, and commissioned 1 September 1936.

Service history
After her shakedown cruise to Europe from 6 October to 5 December 1936, Drayton underwent final trials and acceptance. Then sailed from Norfolk, Virginia, 6 June 1937 to join the Scouting Force at San Diego, California, 19 June. On 4 July she got underway to take part in the fruitless search for the lost aviator Amelia Earhart, participating in maneuvers at Pearl Harbor before her return to San Diego 30 July. For the next two years, Drayton exercised along the west coast, in the Hawaiian Islands, and in the Caribbean.

Drayton's homeport from 12 October 1939 was Pearl Harbor. With war raging in Europe and tension increasing in the pacific, Drayton joined in the constant exercises and tactical problems preparing the fleet for action.

World War II
Underway as plane guard for USS Lexington (CV-2) in TF 12 when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, Drayton, with the force returned to Pearl Harbor 13 December 1941 after searching for Japanese raiders. Between 24 December 1941 and 7 January 1942, she escorted a convoy to Christmas Island, making two attacks on submarines en route. Four days later she got underway in the screen of USS Enterprise (CV-6) for an air strike on Bougainville on 20 February, returning to Pearl Harbor on the 24th. After screening a tanker to Suva Harbor, Fiji Islands, Drayton sailed for the United States 25 March and arrived at San Pedro, Los Angeles, 5 April. She joined in training exercises and patrol duty on the west coast until 1 August 1942.

Drayton sailed from Pearl Harbor 17 November 1942 for action in the Solomon Islands. She sortied from Espiritu Santo 29 November with TF 67 to intercept a Japanese naval force guarding transports en route to reinforce Guadalcanal. That night, the American ships battled a determined Japanese force off Tassafaronga. When the action was over, Drayton picked up 128 survivors, including the commanding officer from USS Northampton (CA-26), and returned to Espiritu Santo 2 December. Drayton continued to operate in the Solomons campaign, bombarding Munda, New Georgia, and protecting transports bound for the Russell Islands. She escorted the unladen transports to Wellington, New Zealand, then returned to Nouméa 7 March 1943 for exercises and patrol with TF 64.

Drayton sailed from Nouméa 13 May 1943 as escort for a transport convoy and arrived at Townsville, Australia 4 days later. Through the summer, she escorted Australian transports carrying troops from Townsville to Milne Bay for the lengthy fighting on vast New Guinea. Drayton patrolled and gave fire support during the invasion landings at Lae on 4 September and bombarded Finschhafen on 22 September.

After brief overhaul at Brisbane, Australia, Drayton returned to the New Guinea area, escorting transports to Arawe, New Britain, for the landings of 15 December, and covered the marine landings near -Cape Gloucester 26 December. She screened high-speed transports from Buna Roads to the invasion of Saidor 2 January, and aside from a brief voyage to Sydney to replenish, remained on patrol and escort duty for the occupation of the Bismarck Archipelago.

Drayton carried troops for the invasion of Los Negros Island in the Admiralty Islands. Here she joined in the bombardment 29 February 1944 and remained to provide fire support. She returned with reinforcement troops from Milne Bay 4 March and began operating as headquarters for the Landing Craft Control Officer for the Admiralties. Drayton bombarded Pityilu Island 12 March then sailed for Seeadler Harbor, Manus, escorting an LST convoy before returning to New Guinea.

The destroyer got underway from Milne Bay, New Guinea, 22 March 1944 and escorted transports to Canton Island on her way to the west coast. Following an overhaul at San Francisco, California, Drayton trained out of Pearl Harbor before arriving at Eniwetok 8 August. For the next 2 months she patrolled off Maloelap, Wotje, Jaluit, and Mille—bypassed Japanese-held atolls in the Marshall Islands.

Drayton reported to the 7th Fleet at Humboldt Bay, New Guinea, on 20 October 1944; 5 days later, she got underway for patrol and escort duty in newly invaded Leyte Gulf, where she arrived 29 October. Her service in this operation included a voyage to New Guinea to bring back transports laden with reinforcements. On 6 December while screening a convoy of LCMs and LCIs to San Pedro Bay, Drayton was attacked by a twin-engine bomber which scored a near miss, killing two and wounding seven of the destroyer's crew. The next day she repulsed a group of strafing planes before they could damage her charges, and later the same morning engaged 10 or 12 enemy fighters. One aircraft crashed into the No. One 5 inch gun mount, killing 6 and wounding 12 men. Drayton extinguished her fires and carried out her mission, convoying her charges safely to harbor and then sailing unassisted to Manus, New Guinea for repairs.

Her repairs completed, Drayton sailed from Manus 26 December 1944 for the invasion of Lingayen Gulf, Luzon, 9 January 1945. She gave fire support until the 13th, then sailed to San Pedro Bay to escort a support convoy to the beachhead. From 27 January to 18 February, she served on patrol and gave fire support, bombarding enemy troops in the foothills and destroying a strong point in a cave.

Continuing to operate in the Philippines, Drayton participated in the landings at Mangarin Bay, Puerto Princesa, Cebu, Ormoc Bay, and Masbate City.

On 23 April 1945, Drayton stood out of San Pedro Bay for the invasion of Borneo, screening the actions at Tarakan from 1 to 27 May and at Balikpapan from 1 to 21 July. Returning to Manila 29 July, she got underway 7 August, and arrived at New York 12 September.

Drayton was decommissioned 9 October 1945 and sold for scrap 20 December 1946.

Awards
Drayton received 11 battle stars for World War II service.

Legacy
The USS Drayton is depicted on the insignia of the Bath, Maine Fire Department.

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Kodak DCS 300 series

The Kodak DCS 300 series comprises two cameras, the DCS 315 and DCS 330. They are professional-level digital SLR cameras built by Eastman Kodak's Kodak Professional Imaging Solutions division. They were based on the Nikon Pronea 6i APS SLR camera and were aimed at a lower price point than other models in the Kodak DCS range. The 1.5 megapixel DCS 315 was launched in 1998, while the 3 megapixel DCS 330 was launched in 1999. The DCS 315 was the first digital SLR camera to incorporate an image preview LCD and inbuilt JPEG processing.

The two cameras have different sized CCD imaging chips, both of which are smaller than either 135 film or APS-C film frames. The 315's imager has a crop factor of 2.6 relative to 135 film ("35mm"), while the 330's is larger, with a factor of 1.9.

The Kodak modification to the Pronea 6i involved removing the camera's film back and mounting a Kodak digital back. This not only covers the back of the camera, but also extends beneath it, approximately doubling the camera's height. This was required to accommodate the large PC cards used as storage media, the six AA batteries required to power the camera, and the circuitry for image processing. The Kodak back has two display screens. The upper is a full-color screen used for viewing taken shots. The lower LCD displays the camera's settings.

An infrared filter is mounted just behind the lens mount. This has to be removed in order to fit certain Nikkor lenses, including the IX-Nikkor lenses designed for the APS format camera.

The DCS 315 is substantially faster than the 330, since only half as much data needs to be stored per shot. The 315 also allows image storage in the smaller JPEG format, while the 330 only allows Kodak's proprietary .TIF RAW format.

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Talk:Manny Pacquiao

Recent edits
The recent reversion instigated a number of serious violations of guidelines and policy. I'll break down each part: NowBoxing.com is a boxing fans news blog and forum, where you can get the latest boxing news updates and share your thoughts on sport of boxing. We allow fans to get involved and have their opinions heard by giving them the opportunity voice their views through originally written articles. This nowboxing is a website that anyone can contribute to; it appears to be a self-published group blog, and is clearly no way a reliable source. To use such a source to make claims about the reputation of a living person is a clear violation of WP:BLP.
 * "At the peak of his career until 2012, Pacquiao was considered one of the greatest professional boxers of all time". This was based on a source published in 2010, whereas the added content discusses events at least until 2012 (and beyond really, because to know someone reached a peak at a certain time, there needs to be time afterwards for a decline). The editor added a source to support claims that happened after the publication date. Needless to say, this addition clearly fails venerability.
 * "however, following several defeats between 2012 and 2017, his contemporary status has been subject to debate." Among other things, this uses this source . What makes this a reliable source? From that website:
 * Again regarding the above addition, this source is used: . This is a sourced published in 2011, used to make claims about events happening in 2012-2017. Again, this is a violation of verifiability.
 * There is also the question of whether such a viewpoint is wp:undue, especially for the lead. I actually know this topic, and to me it clearly is. We should present a picture that gives a balanced assessment.
 * it deleted "In 2016, Pacquiao was ranked number 2 on ESPN's list of top pound-for-pound boxers of the past 25 years". The ESPN ranking is a list of P4P in the past 25 years. They are obviously a reliable source for the topic, and the publication is recent (2016). These are the kinds of sources we should be using to make claims about the 'greatness' of a boxer.
 * It deleted "He was named "Fighter of the Decade" for the 2000s by the Boxing Writers Association of America (BWAA), WBC, and WBO. He is also a three-time Ring magazine and BWAA Fighter of the Year, winning the award in 2006, 2008, and 2009; and the Best Fighter ESPY Award in 2009 and 2011." These are notable awards, awarded by respected organisations, and sourced below in the article. Why was this deleted?
 * To summarise, an editor has been repeatedly edit-warring to insert BLP violations, and also violations of verifiability. Editors have objected, but this behaviour keeps continuing. HampsteadLord (talk) 10:27, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

 * The lede needed balance and it was discussed. Sock accounts were blocked and an agreement was made. That's what is known as consensus. We gain that by discussion. Which is actually what I suggested in the message that I put on your talk page regarding the sock accounts "Hi, nothing to do with the Manny article - (which I'm sure will get fixed with a little discussion.)" unfortunately, you just decided to delete it. Either way, without wasting time discussing points that have already been covered adequately, the lede needs balance. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 10:36, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Either way, please modify your attitude and quit whining so much when you don't get your own way. Your content is back on there, I didn't remove it. Actually, I used a little more content from the source you provided - you're welcome. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 10:42, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Due to how contentious this issue has become—on both sides—I'm not all that comfortable with emphasising Pacquiao's decline right off the bat in the lead section, per WP:UNDUE, as if to say "See? See? He's not all that great!" The balance keeps shifting back and forth with each edit, with neither being sufficient in terms of genuine WP:RS. Obviously there is a lot to be said about his legacy and how it stands before and after his losses since 2012, but where it should be expanded upon in detail is not in the lead, but in a section titled Legacy, similar to the articles for Lennox Lewis and Riddick Bowe. Also, this needs way more editors on board for a consensus to be called—we're not even close yet. Furthermore, there's now the issue of WP:PA arising on both sides. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 13:28, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

 * It's hard to deal with undue weight and add balance to the article. I consider his recent lack of form (and PED claims) to be notable enough for the lede. Perhaps a legacy section would be a better idea, as you said. However, I think that "He is the only eight-division world champion in the history of boxing" should remain in the lede (and only that) Spacecowboy420 (talk) 13:32, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Due to how contentious this issue has become—on both sides—I'm not all that comfortable with emphasising Pacquiao's decline right off the bat in the lead section, per WP:UNDUE, as if to say "See? See? He's not all that great!" The balance keeps shifting back and forth with each edit, with neither being sufficient in terms of genuine WP:RS. Obviously there is a lot to be said about his legacy and how it stands before and after his losses since 2012, but where it should be expanded upon in detail is not in the lead, but in a section titled Legacy, similar to the articles for Lennox Lewis and Riddick Bowe. Also, this needs way more editors on board for a consensus to be called—we're not even close yet. Furthermore, there's now the issue of WP:PA arising on both sides. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 13:28, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

 * It's hard to deal with undue weight and add balance to the article. I consider his recent lack of form (and PED claims) to be notable enough for the lede. Perhaps a legacy section would be a better idea, as you said. However, I think that "He is the only eight-division world champion in the history of boxing" should remain in the lede (and only that) Spacecowboy420 (talk) 13:32, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

 * This is in need of WP:DRN involvement, or maybe even WP:EWN. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 13:58, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

 * I will comment more once this sock IP has become bored. There is little point in me making points that are going to be deleted as soon as I make them. But yeah, I'm open to whatever resolves this the easiest. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 14:16, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

You need to address the points I have raised, instead of talking about side issues (sockpuppets). Your edits were serious violations of policy, including BLP and V, and you edit-warred numerous times to keep inserting them. HampsteadLord (talk) 20:42, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Regarding the recently added Steroid allegations section I think it should be removed per WP:BLP as no criminal or sporting body has ever accused him of this and Pacquiao settled a lawsuit with Mayweather regarding these claims and as the section says "there is no definitive proof on this subject, only speculation" and WP:NOTGOSSIP. Naue7 (talk) 21:58, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

 * HampsteadLord I'm glad you're not concerned about the "side issues" of sock accounts/scck IPs making disruptive edits and deleting comments from this talk page, making meaningful discussion impossible. I guess you showed your lack of concern when you decided to message the sock IP to agree with them on their harassment of me and delete my comments warning you about the sock IP with a "not needed" edit summary. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:HampsteadLord&diff=prev&oldid=798158684
 * Perhaps if you changed your attitude a little from comments like "What is your explanation?" to something a little more polite, then we could have a more productive discussion. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:02, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Naue7 there are a lot of reliable sources regarding the PED accusations. Of course we shouldn't state that he took PEDs, we don't know that for sure. However, to state that he has been dogged by the accusations is certainly notable. There is a lot of content regarding this issue later in the article, so a few lines on it in the lede is acceptable. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:24, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

I didn't say the apparent socks wasn't a concern, so you made this up. The sock is obviously disrupting proceedings here. If you want to discuss the sock, create a separate thread on this page instead of polluting it on this section. Now back to the content issues: you need to address the substance of your edits I pointed to above, which are in serious violation of BLP and V. HampsteadLord (talk) 09:47, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry, I thought your comment "You need to address the points I have raised, instead of talking about side issues (sockpuppets).", your edit on the talk page of the sock IP "Yep, that's abundantly clear." in response to them trolling me, and your edit summary in response to me explaining that it was a sock IP stating "not needed" made it pretty clear that you were not overly concerned with the sock IPs.

 * Oh, I've already addressed those points. Feel free to read this talk page. If you have any issues with the current state of the article, feel free to explain your concerns here. Thanks and have a great day, buddy. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 10:55, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

 * You are continuing to talk about the IP when that is no longer relevant. You haven't addressed those edits at all, even when I have shown why they are in violation of policy. If you have, you will be able to point out which edits do so. However, you kept inserting policy-violating material, which other editors are reverting. HampsteadLord (talk) 10:25, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Whilst I agree that the PED allegations are relevant to his career and need mentioning in a later section (Legacy, etc.), they are extremely contentious for the lead, especially considering they are only that—allegations; Florence Griffith Joyner being an example where similar allegations are avoided in the lead. I'm no expert on how WP:NPOV and WP:UNDUE is handled in lead sections, but the inclusion of unsubstantiated allegations right off the bat—from motormouth Malignaggi of all people—does bother me significantly. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 16:56, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

I've brought this incident to ANI: HampsteadLord (talk) 11:31, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

 * I removed the allegations from the lead. Tornado chaser (talk) 21:17, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

 * ANI seems to be a waste of time for a content dispute. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 08:01, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Spacecowboy420, this phrase "considered one of the best, or regarded as one of the best or greatest" is widely used here in Wikipedia mostly in sports articles like boxing. As long as it has a reliable source to back it up it's acceptable in Wikipedia. Take a look at Miguel Cotto page for example. The page is even a "Good article" and you can see that phrase on its lead. A page to be considered a "good article" has to pass or meet the strict criteria so do you think the Miguel Cotto page was just mistakenly tagged as a good article? Pacphobia (talk) 08:07, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

 * One more thing, I dont need to seek your approval before I edit wikipedia. I can edit articles anytime I want. PLEASEDISCUSS Pacphobia (talk) 08:11, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Perhaps your "I can edit articles anytime I want" attitude towards criticism, is why you got blocked from editing, for edit warring and personal attacks on this article in the past. Good luck with that. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 09:10, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Everytime I edit on this article's lead you put Edit War tag on my talk page as if you are forbidding me not to perform any edits there. You are trying your best to provide a source for your edits on "steroids allegations" which in fact a WP:BLP violation according to User:Collect but when I made an edit provided with reliable sources you reverted it. I wonder why. Pacphobia (talk) 10:10, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

 * I put the tag as a helpful reminder not to edit war and specifically not to edit war on this article, because you've already been blocked for your actions on this article, and I don't want to see someone blocked over a simple content dispute. User:Collect was concerned with content being given the voice of wikipedia - I agree with him, which is why I removed the first line of that section, after restoring the section. You are misrepresenting your sources. 1. They don't all discuss pound for pound. 2. We shouldn't use words like "often" 3. They are unattributed. 4. We are far better off saying "in (date) (who) stated that Pacquiao was the best" - which is exactly what the content you are removing stated. I suggest you look at the section regarding competence for examples of good ledes. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 10:55, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, you're the one who made this edits in the lead section:
 * "Former two-weight world champion Paulie Malignaggi has consistently expressed his opinion that Pacquaio has used PEDs, noting that Pacquiao's run of dominant performances and knockouts stopped after Floyd Mayweather Jr accused Pacquaio of using PEDs." - WP:BLP violation
 * "While in 2017 Jorge Conejo of Now Boxing stated "his best days are long behind him", "Evidence of his decline showed drastically against young unbeaten Australian slugger Jeff Horn". - WP:BLP violation
 * "however, following several defeats between 2012 and 2017, his contemporary status has been subject to debate". - WP:BLP violation

Is that what you call a good examples of ledes? Really? Do you even understand what "examples of good ledes" means? Pacphobia (talk) 14:37, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Regarding the Cotto article being listed as a GA, it must be noted that it received the listing in 2007—the article has changed massively since then. That easily warrants a re-assessment which may get it downgraded, as currently there's no quality control on it (grammar issues, refs, etc.), besides the record table and succession box which are easy to maintain. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 14:46, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Can involved editors on this article comment on the ANI thread I created? [] Otherwise, I think his talk page will continue to get bigger and bigger, and the article will not be getting improved. Bizarrely, folks on that page haven't responded. HampsteadLord (talk) 16:01, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

 * I don't think many consider it an ANI worthy topic. Dispute resolution? Maybe. Edit Warring? Maybe. BLP? possibly.

allegations
Rarely belong in a BLP, and the misuse of Wikipedia's voice to present them is beyond the pale. If they are important, they must be presented per WP:NPOV, and not use Wikipedia's voice for the allegations made. Wikipedia is not a tabloid celebrity gossip site. Collect (talk) 15:08, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * There is zero proof whatsoever that Pacquiao has ever used performance-enhancing drugs. It is important to realize that Pacquiao is a high-profile figure, so naturally there will be people who are desperate for media attention who will gossip and speculate about him. "Special drinks", Teddy Atlas' eyes, and questionable emails are not evidence of steroid use -- they are nothing more than rumors. The allegations are baseless and do not belong on this article. Songisjust (talk) 09:49, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Songisjust is a sock account. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 10:51, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * There are a variety of problems with the section but the opinions generally seem to be attributed. Can you please be specific about which ones you are concerned with?--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 21:39, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * From a distance, I fail to understand why the contentious material cannot first be discussed at length here, rather than a handful of editors impulsively restoring it all the time. Isn't that the whole point of WP, to first gain consensus on disputed content, and only then add it back to the article?—not the other way around. I have no "horse in this race" (neither a Pacquiao fan nor interested in the allegations), but having done routine maintenance on the article over the past year, the conduct of a few editors is getting very annoying. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 19:46, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Competence is required
"As of May 2017, Cotto is ranked as the world's third best light middleweight by The Ring magazine,[1] and fourth by BoxRec.[2] In 2007 and 2009 he reached a peak pound for pound ranking of seventh by The Ring."

"In 1998, the Boxing Writers Association of America named Mosley as their Fighter of the Year.[5] He was also given the same honor by the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 2000. In 2000 and 2001 he was named the world's best active boxer, pound for pound, by The Ring.[6]"

Mayweather is a two-time winner of The Ring magazine's Fighter of the Year award (1998 and 2007), a three-time winner of the Boxing Writers Association of America Fighter of the Year award (2007, 2013, and 2015), and a six-time winner of the Best Fighter ESPY Award (2007–2010, 2012–2014).[2][3] In 2016, Mayweather was ranked by ESPN as the greatest boxer, pound for pound, of the last 25 years.[4] In the same year, he peaked as BoxRec's number one fighter of all time, pound for pound, as well as the greatest welterweight of all time.[5][6] Many sporting news and boxing websites, including The Ring, Sports Illustrated, ESPN, BoxRec, Fox Sports, and Yahoo! Sports, ranked Mayweather as the best pound for pound boxer in the world twice in a span of ten years.[7][8][9][10][11][12]"

"As of May 2017, Álvarez is ranked as the world's best active boxer, pound for pound, by BoxRec;[2] and eighth by the Transnational Boxing Rankings Board (TBRB) and The Ring.[3] He is also ranked as the world's best light middleweight by the TBRB[4] and BoxRec,[5] as well as ranked the best middleweight by The Ring and second by the TBRB."

spot the difference between the above (attributed claims) and below (unattributed claims)

"Often considered as one of the best pound for pound fighters of his generation,[2][3][4][5]"

If you can't understand the difference, I think there is a WP:COMPETENCE issue. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 09:42, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Widely used in Wikipedia
(Boxing)

 * He is widely regarded as one of the most significant and celebrated sports figures of the 20th century
 * Ali is regarded as one of the leading heavyweight boxers of the 20th century - -Muhammad Ali

 * Frequently cited as one of the greatest boxers of all time - Sugar Ray Robinson

 * Mike Tyson is considered one of the best heavyweights of all time - Mike Tyson

 * He is regarded by many as one of the greatest heavyweight boxers of all time - Lennox Lewis
 * Klitschko is considered to be one of the greatest heavyweight champions of all time- Wladimir Klitschko

 * Widely considered one of the greatest boxers of the modern era - Bernard Hopkins

 * Often regarded as one of the greatest boxers of all time - Sugar Ray Leoanard

 * Widely regarded as not only one of the best middleweights in history but also one of the greatest boxers of all time- Carlos Monzon

 * He is often regarded as one of the hardest-punching light welterweights in the division's history - Kostya Tzyu

 * He is considered by acclamation as the greatest Mexican boxer of all time - Julio Cesar Chavez

 * Ortiz is considered among the best Puerto Rican boxers of time - Carlos Ortiz

 * Marquez is considered to be one of the greatest Mexican boxers of all time - Juan Manuel Marquez

 * Cited as one of the greatest boxers of his era - Alexis Arguello

 * Considered as one of the greatest junior lightweight champions in history - Gabriel "Flash" Elorde

 * Widely considered to be one of the greatest amateur boxers of all time - Guillermo Rigondeaux

(Basketball)

 * Rusell is widely considered one of the best players in NBA history - William Felton Russell

 * He is regarded as one of the best - Reginald Philip "Reggie" Freeman

 * Widely considered one of the greatest and most dominant players in NBA history - Wilt Chamberlain

 * Widely considered one of the greatest in NBA history - David Robinson

 * Regarded as one of the best point guards of all time - John Stockton ...and the list goes on.

You're right Spacecowboy420. I think those editors who made the edits I listed have a WP:COMPETENCE issue. Pacphobia (talk) 12:37, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

 * I'm glad you agree with me, thank you. Also, thank you for the above list - I will fix those articles, when I get time.
 * To be honest, those articles are shit. Well, at least those quotes are. It's so easy to improve those articles. You say "who" said "what" rather than "lots of people said..."
 * "Mike Tyson is considered one of the best heavyweights of all time" becomes "Mike Tyson was ranked as the 11th best heavyweight of all time by the Telegraph"
 * I'm not sure of those editors are suffering from WP:COMPETENCE issues or not, I said that someone who couldn't understand the difference between attributed and unattributed claims suffers from WP:COMPETENCE issues. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 13:40, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

BLP noticeboard
User:Collect has decided to remove all the content on PED allegations. (despite it being based on reliable/verifiable sources and having consensus) - that's kinda okay, because that's how BRD works. However, he also contributed to a report on the BLP noticeboard but didn't think it would be a good idea to inform anyone else involved, so that we could contribute towards the discussion on that noticeboard, which doesn't really seem like the most good faith effort to gain consensus. So, here is the link Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard in case anyone here wishes to contribute. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:08, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Note that contentious material which has been removed from any BLP REQUIRES a positive consensus for re-insertion as a bare minimum.   Name-calling and attacks on editors do not constitute seeking a consensus.  By the way, I did not create the BLP/N report, and implying that it is wrong to post on an existing report without re-notifying every editor is not only not required, it would be considered a violation of WP:CANVASS in the first place.  Collect (talk) 13:12, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Sorry, do you have any idea what WP:CANVASS is about? If you try to get a discussion to go your way by informing your buddies about it, then you are in breach of WP:CANVASS.
 * WP:CANVASS specifically states "An editor who may wish to draw a wider range of informed, but uninvolved, editors to a discussion can place a message at any of the following" and then lists "The talk page of one or more directly related articles." as one of the places that would not be considered to be canvassing. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 13:45, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

 * I only have a bit over 45,000 edits now. Anytime a person who is not the originator of a new discussion on a noticeboard then notifies any group of editors, it is quite likely to be a violation of WP:CANVASS.  The person you ought to have asked as the person who started the discussion in this case.    I had no obligation when I posted on a proper noticeboard in an already existing section to then notify any editor or editors that I had done so.  Clearer?  Collect (talk) 19:19, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

"* On the user talk pages of concerned editors. Examples include: etc.."
 * Editors who have made substantial edits to the topic or article

so, yeah - it's really clear that you should have informed people and no, it wouldn't have been canvassing. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 08:10, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

suggestion:
Because of a fear of blood drainage,[92][93] especially close to a bout, the steroid allegation began when Pacquiao turned down a random blood test arrangement when in negotiations for the Mayweather bout in 2010.[94] The allegations by Mayweather ended in a lawsuit from Pacquiao that was settled with compensation by Mayweather out of court.[95]

to:

''Pacquiao declined a random blood test arrangement when in negotiations for the Mayweather bout in 2010.[94] Mayweather alleged that this was likely due to steroid use, which led to a lawsuit by Pacquiao. That lawsuit resulted in compensation by Mayweather out of court.[95]''

"Blood drainage" is used quite weirdly in the current version as part of an adverbial prepositional phrase, is undefined, and adds nothing to the simple statement of fact.

Opinions? Collect (talk) 18:26, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

 * blood extraction? needles? blood tests? Spacecowboy420 (talk) 12:49, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I like the change. Prose is better and it's much more straightforward. Mr Ernie (talk) 15:37, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Does it state within the sources Pacquiao's supposed fear of needles? That should be mentioned as the reason for why he declined the test, otherwise the reader may be left wondering. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 15:41, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The term "blood drainage" seems wonderfully inapt and quite useless. Mayweather appears to have made an accusation and the lawsuit was about that allegation.  And Mayweather paid. That is all that really belongs in a BLP where the net result was that it was Mayweather who ended up with problems.  Collect (talk) 17:45, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * As far as I recall, I've read both that he's scared of needles and that he feels weakened after having blood taken. The feeling weak excuse was the reason that I saw the most. I will see if there is a nice source.
 * To be fair, there have been other notable public figures stating that Manny was a cheat, not just Mayweather - there certainly doesn't need to be any OR regarding why it's plausible or not that he is a cheat - however, when someone famous makes a pretty unambiguous statement, we certainly can quote or paraphrase them. (direct/attributed quotes would be ideal)Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:30, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

BLP issues
Seeing that both ANI and the BLP noticeboard have shown NO major concerns about the controversy section, most of the editors who were removing it have been confirmed as sock accounts, and therefore indef blocked and that the controversy section has been present for a long time (therefore being the stable version, supported by consensus) we should restore the controversy section as soon as the article is no longer protected. Of course discussions should still take place regarding how to improve it. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:33, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

 * The fact is that WP:BLP does not say "if only a few people raise the concerns, then the concerns do not exist." The concerns were raised. Your recourse is to have an RfC to find a strong consensus for inclusion of the removed material, not to state "the opposition is small, therefore the concerns are irrelevant." Start the RfC.  And I suggest that I am not a sock of anyone at all, and that sort of claim is a wonderful example of bad faith.   Simple. Collect (talk) 12:57, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

 * I would support an RfC for the Controversy section, but a separate one may be needed for the "greatest of all time" issue in the lead section, which began all this hysteria. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 13:28, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

 * I'm just hoping the "greatest of all time" drama has calmed down. Although it wasn't what I initially thought was best, the current content in the lede is good. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 13:56, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Collect 1st point. One the BLP noticeboard, let's list who raised concerns. Well, firstly you did. And also User:Songisjust raised concerns - however they are an indef blocked sock, so their opinion is worth nothing. Then you had - SaskatchewanSenator, who stated "the opinions generally seem to be attributed" and asked you "Can you please be specific about the material presented in Wikipedia's voice that you are concerned with" - which you failed to do and of course you had me, I was waiting for your "sheaf of allegations clearly presented in Wikipedia's voice" which you never provided information on. So in short, apart from you and an indef blocked sock, no one on the BLP noticeboard thought there was any BLP issue, and from that we can come to the conclusion that there are zero BLP issues with that article and proceed with reverting it back to the stable previous version.

2nd point. Who said you were a sock? Did they file an SPI? I will be happy to go to your SPI and state that while I consider you to be a highly disruptive editor with a track record of TEN BLOCKS !!!! I don't think you're a sock puppet. Don't worry bro, I've got your back on this one, buddy. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 14:20, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

The concern was raised at WP:BLPN by another person. Note I did not start that section,  nor did I start the report at WP:ANI. opened that section. was also involved in those discussions. As was  Collect (talk) 16:14, 15 September 2017 (UTC) Collect (talk) 18:48, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

and I also removed the potentially libellous material and gave explanantions. --Hillbillyholiday (talk) 18:12, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

 * BLP noticeboard has not confirmed that any of the content was a BLP issue. Hillbillyholiday please confirm why you think the content removed was libelous. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 11:48, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You might want to read this discussion as well. --John (talk) 20:23, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Indeed. Where is that RfC, hmm? Enough with the sock accusations and re-addition of contentious content until we have one started. This is basic stuff on WP. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 20:28, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Start an RFC then? Comments like "an editor who refuses to even start an RfC" and "Where is that RfC, hmm?" are kinda funny, when you consider that anyone can start an RFC. You want one? Start one. I personally, see it as a waste of time as when it was posted on ANI and on BLP noticeboard, no one seemed to think it's a BLP issue. Well no one apart from some indef blocked socks, a disruptive editor with 10+ blocks and an editor currently on a one month block based on his actions on this article.Spacecowboy420 (talk) 11:57, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

 * I started the discussion on the noticeboard and am none of the above. Naue7 (talk) 16:35, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

 * On which noticeboard, Naue7 ? Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:13, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Spacecowboy420 The Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Naue7 (talk) 21:18, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Bible Quote
I removed the rather slanted "bible" section as being violative of WP:BLP and have been reverted by a new editor here. Again, when such a section is removed, WP:CONSENSUS requires a positive consensus for such "material". Anyone is free to start the RfC, but this iterated violation of Wikipedia policy is harmful to Wikipedia itself. Collect (talk) 14:27, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Nah, it's all relevant and cited. You shouldn't remove it just because you don't like it. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 14:56, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

 * I don't see a problem with the section the edit summary states "noting this is what was initially misascribed to the person" but when you actually read the source it says how the quote was once attributed to him before and the story was retracted but this was another instance. Many reliable sources have reported on this as fact. Naue7 (talk) 16:30, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree, it's well supported. Thanks for finding those other sources.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 18:33, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Seems well-sourced There are many similar "slanted" sections in BLPs which are discussed and retained. I see no reason to do an RfC unless you can bring up more specific policy/BLP issues. Jim1138 (talk) 23:46, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

User Collect is right in seeking consensus. "Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion - The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content" per WP:ONUS. - STSC (talk) 02:25, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

 * It seems only fair that we follow Wikipedia guidelines and I guess no matter if WP:ONUS and other policies supports inclusion or removal of content, we have to abide by them. Although the bible section is correctly sourced, we have to decided if we are giving undue weight to one aspect of the article. As per WP:UNDUE and to quote Jimbo Wales:

"If a viewpoint is in the majority, then it should be easy to substantiate it with reference to commonly accepted reference texts; If a viewpoint is held by a significant minority, then it should be easy to name prominent adherents; If a viewpoint is held by an extremely small minority, it does not belong on Wikipedia, regardless of whether it is true or you can prove it, except perhaps in some ancillary article."

So, that seems very clear. If it is a majority or significant minority, we should be able to provide sources and then it is suitable for inclusion in the article. If we can't find those sources, then it is not suitable for inclusion. I will look for some sources and my success or failure should make this easy to deal with. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:58, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Sorry - the material is of WP:UNDUE weight, and the fact that an editor has engaged in edit war for its inclusion rather that follow the strictures of an RfC, makes me more against its inclusion than ever. Collect (talk) 12:53, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Well, according to your opinion - it's undue weight. However, according to the guidelines set up by Jimbo Wales - it isn't undue weight.
 * Also, we decide if content should be included on an article, based on the merits of the content, not based on the merits of the editor who adds it or their previous edits. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 13:08, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Collect as per WP:UNDUE "Neutrality requires that each article or other page in the mainspace fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources" - what part of that makes this content unsuitable for the article? Spacecowboy420 (talk) 13:25, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Have you managed all this time to never notice how RfCs work? Learn, please. Collect (talk) 17:17, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Sources:

La Times, Ny Daily, BBC, FoxSports, The Guardian, Rolling Stone. I guess those sources are reliable enough and plentiful enough to make the content suitable for inclusion. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 09:27, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Include It's relevant (especially for a senator, not only a boxer), well-sourced and nowhere near UNDUE. I'm also deeply unimpressed with the tag-team behaviour going on here to get SpaceCowboy blocked. This is not a BLP issue that might warrant such a reaction, it's far too well sourced for that. At most it's a minor question of UNDUE. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:34, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Exclude Wikipedia is not a tabloid. There's nothing encyclopedic about talking about what someone uploaded to instagram and then deleted. It does not add anything to the main point, already well conveyed, about Pacquiao's views on LGBT issues. Mr Ernie (talk) 10:16, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Neither is the Guardian a tabloid. Is it now OK to call for the murder of some people, provided that it's only on Instagram? Or if you delete it quickly afterwards? How is that a "tabloid" matter? Andy Dingley (talk) 10:31, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Take your issue up at the article about the Bible then. And please don't throw loaded questions at me. Mr Ernie (talk) 10:37, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Exclude As we could also then state that every single fundamentalist who believed in inerrancy of the Bible has that position, and put it in their BLPs. And that every Orthodox Jew prays "Lord, I thank thee that I was not born a woman.” or similar material which is not fair to the subject of a BLP. The ascription of a Bible quote as though it were the specific literal belief peculiar to that person and stated as such by that person is violative of the principle of "do no harm" stated by Wikipedia.   It is not a call for the murder of some people and thus using it as such is violative of WP:BLP entirely.   Collect (talk) 13:13, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak straw man argument.
 * This isn't someone who just happens to believe such a position, or even an internet nobody shouting into a bucket. This is someone with international prominence, putting forward such a view to a wide audience. Then retracting it, then doing it again. They did it in such a way that media around the world commented upon it. So that even Nike reacted to it, by withdrawing their promotional contract.
 * This is both sourced, and significant. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:40, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * His views about LGBT issues are already in the article. The Bible quote thing apparently happened after Nike dropped him. Mr Ernie (talk) 13:45, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * "The thing" is about what happened both before and after the Nike drop.
 * Why are his LGBT views in the article at all if it's a blockable BLP offence (see: ) to even mention them? If we cover this at all, and we ought to, then we ought to cover it fully (including the contested addition here), as is supported by multiple international sources. The piece that's unsourced at present is, "Pacquiao is openly supportive of LGBT activism", which is just as much under BLP as anything. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:31, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * FYI, "administrators can impose sanctions for edits... that do not adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, our standards of behavior, or relevant policies". - STSC (talk) 12:16, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The text that was removed did not say that Mr. Pacquiao called for the murder of some people. It said that he posted some Bible verses.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 23:24, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Exclude - Manny had deleted whatever comment on his instagram account, that's the end of the matter. The trivial incident has no encyclopedic value at all. STSC (talk) 16:15, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

 * Include All of these reliable sources (and I'll add one more ) from the USA, UK and the Philippines thought that Mr. Pacquiao posting the bible verses was significant enough to write articles on it and that it contributes to understanding his opinions on homosexuality. I agree with the sources.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 23:24, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Include Obviously relevant and notable for a major public figure to make such statements. Deleting something from Instagram, doesn't make it never have happened. I'm a little surprised that people consider a senator stating that gays should be put to death, to be a trivial matter. Obviously, it isn't trivial. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 08:02, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Manny did not state that gays should be put to death. The fuss about something deleted in a social media is absolutely trivial. STSC (talk) 16:24, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, he did.
 * He literally posted the following, "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." claiming Biblical authority behind it. It doesn't matter whether he used his own words or quoted the Bible, he posted, literally, "They are to be put to death" This is clear, this is sourced. Why are we blocking editors for including it in this article? Andy Dingley (talk) 16:37, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

STSC "Manny did not state that gays should be put to death. The fuss about something deleted in a social media is absolutely trivial." - I'm confused. He didn't post it, but he deleted it anyway (despite not having posted it?). And his social media post was trivial anyway. (even though he didn't post anything?) - but on a more serious note (as I have previously stated) to have a world famous sportsman, celebrity and senator stating that gays should be put to death, on public media is not a trivial matter. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:49, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Include as these remarks has significance in proportion to Pacquiao's religious views, to which he's also well-known. Slightly  mad  10:43, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Include, per rationales of User:Andy Dingley and User:Slightlymad. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 19:11, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * That would seem to be the legal fallacy of 'riding two horses'. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:51, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * He only posted a quote from the Bible, he didn't say those words. He has since deleted it. This trivial incident on a social media has no encyclopedic value, there's no need to make a meal out of it. STSC (talk) 09:50, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry that you think advocating murder is "trivial".
 * It was not seen as a trivial incident internationally, as evidenced by international press reporting it thus. That is our standard for significance on WP, thus we should see it as significant too. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:41, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Our standard here is WP:NOTNEWS. And to describe the Holy Bible quote as "advocating murder" is just being hysterical. STSC (talk) 15:27, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

RfC: Manny Pacquiao steroid allegations
Should the steroid allegations paragraph be included, excluded, or reworded? – Nihlus (talk) 18:52, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Since the edit warring is getting out of hand, the discussions at BLPN and ANI have not gotten anywhere, and protection has not worked, I am opening this RfC to establish community consensus on the controversies regarding Manny Pacquiao one at a time. The issue is whether or not this topic should be covered at all, so please make your decisions based on the entirety of the content below. If consensus is to reword, further discussion will take place after the RfC is closed.

 * Previous discussions
 * Talk:Manny Pacquiao#allegations
 * Talk:Manny Pacquiao#BLP noticeboard
 * Talk:Manny Pacquiao#BLP issues
 * Talk:Manny Pacquiao#Bible Quote
 * Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Manny Pacquiao
 * Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Hillbillyholiday

Survey
(Choose include, exclude, or reword below.)

 * Exclude: As I said at the Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents "Steroid allegations are a very serious claim and Pacquiao has already settled a lawsuit with Floyd Mayweather regarding these claims and should definitely be removed per WP:BLP as no criminal or sporting body has ever accused him of this and as the section says "there is no definitive proof on this subject, only speculation" and WP:NOTGOSSIP." Naue7 (talk) 21:29, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reword: Pacquiao's refusal of testing in 2010, the original allegations by Mayweather, and the resulting lawsuit were all an overwhelming part of why the biggest fight in history didn't take place for five years—it absolutely should be mentioned. However, the subsequent speculation regarding Pacquiao's lack of stoppages since 2009, and the "juicy" quotes from Roach, Atlas and Malignaggi, absolutely must go—they fall flagrantly foul of WP:NOTRUMOR and WP:UNDUE. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:49, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * What aspect of WP:NOTRUMOR are you thinking of?--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 23:42, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh I actually meant WP:NOTGOSSIP, specifically point #3. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 15:49, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: If there is to be a Controversy section regarding PEDs and not the religious stuff, it should go into the Boxing career of Manny Pacquiao article, and not this BLP one. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:45, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Exclude as being unproven claims by some who gain by defaming the living person. The charges are, in fact, criminal in nature, and only a strong positive consensus would be valid to include them. Collect (talk) 22:34, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reword per Mac Dreamstate. Drmies (talk) 22:35, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reword. It's sufficient to say Mayweather wanted Olympic-type drug-testing, and Pacquiao declined while giving whatever reasons.  That's it.  You can thus avoid gossip, rumors, legalities and innuendo.  Include lots of footnotes so readers can get more info if they want. Anythingyouwant (talk) 04:09, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reword and drastically reduce - the English is not readily understandable and too much gossip at the end. Suggest decommatize to start more clearly "Steroid allegations began when he turned down a drug test during 2010 negotiations for a Mayweather bout citing concerns about blood drainage close to a bout."  And end it after a line about the lawsuit settlement -- everything else is WP:SYNTH innuendo rather than reporting on a significant BLP event in his life.  Markbassett (talk) 04:37, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Exclude - "Exceptional claims require exceptional sources" per WP:EXTRAORDINARY. The content of "steroid allegations" is poorly sourced; sources such as Bleacher Report (it is a blog) and YouTube are quite unacceptable. STSC (talk) 15:55, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reword per Mac Dreamstrate. L3X1  (distænt write)  01:55, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reword: As Mac Dreamstate explained, this issue delayed the most lucrative boxing match ever, for five years. It is essential to explain why that happened--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 23:42, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Exclude as this is incredibly poorly sourced and undue. As an aside this article is terrible for a BLP. It has virtually nothing on his boxing career and we should not have large dedicated controversy sections like this. I have tagged it as undue. AIR corn  (talk) 18:36, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Reword Summoned by a bot, I agree with mac Dreamstrate's rational - it is a notable enough topic to keep, with a rewrite. Comatmebro  (talk) 22:02, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Reword it certainly belongs in this article as it is highly notable. Rewording in order to make the more picky editors happy, shouldn't be an issue. Oh, sorry for the late reply, I was suffering from an undeserved and incorrect block. :) Spacecowboy420 (talk) 07:59, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Exclude - Summoned by bot. The content is WP:UNDUE, poorly sourced, and purely speculation. If it were to be included, additional concrete reliable sources would need to be provided confirming criminal charges. Meatsgains (talk) 01:53, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Response to Meatsgains - using steroids is not illegal, so why would confirmation of criminal charges be relevant? Spacecowboy420 (talk) 07:42, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Exactly my point... I suppose I should have said "reliable sources would need to be provided confirming any criminal charges. Meatsgains (talk) 01:30, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay - got it. So are you suggesting that all potentially negative content on all articles should be removed unless they result in criminal charges? Should we remove every single civil case and PED case from Wikipedia, as they don't result in criminal charges? Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:08, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Meatsgains, can I assume that your lack of a response to my last comment, means that you agree with me? This discussion is taking far too much time and prompt responses would help to speed things up a little. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:27, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * No, that's not what I'm suggesting at all. I never said anything remotely close to "all potentially negative content on all articles should be removed unless they result in criminal charges". Come on now... And no, I don't agree with you. It's only been four days since my last response. Meatsgains (talk) 16:12, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Then what are you suggesting, considering that you based your stance on this article on "reliable sources would need to be provided confirming any criminal charges." for something that does not result in criminal charges, and that the content passes all notability, neutrality and reliability requirements? Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:13, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Reword - It's obviously notable and as such should be in the article however as per above it does need rewriting. – Davey 2010 Talk 14:50, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Of course this isn't a vote - but it would seem that there is consensus towards including the claims of PED usage, but only if they are reworded. Perhaps we should be making a draft reworded version now. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:29, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Note Participants in this discussion are not allowed to claim a close to the discussion. In fact, the claimed "consensus" is quite far from the clear consensus required under WP:BLP. Collect (talk) 19:23, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Sorry, but your participation here is just disrupting the entire process. You have an overwhelming majority of participants in the survey stating that the content should remain in a reworded form. The sensible step would be to do exactly that. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:20, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Huh?  I suggest that your iterated insistence that a handful of SPA accounts make policies irrelevant is not airborne by a few miles.  Collect (talk) 21:42, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * 9 (reword) vs 5 (exclude) is not overwhelming. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 15:41, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Clear majority? Overwhelming majority? it all adds up to the same thing. There was a survey, people gave their opinions. The results are obvious. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 07:57, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Actually, 9 vs 5 would be "no consensus" to include and reword. STSC (talk) 10:18, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Considering that it was originally in the article, it would be "no consensus" to remove. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 10:25, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Shall I say this again: "The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content" per WP:ONUS. STSC (talk) 10:30, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Threaded discussion
I just want to repeat the advise at the top of this talk page:-

"This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (WP:BLP) policy. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article, especially if potentially libellous."

STSC (talk) 10:51, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Well, thanks. I must admit that in the two seconds it takes me to scroll down, I often forget such things. BTW - advice. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 07:12, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

We have a idea where people stand on the issues. Let's try to build some consensus.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 21:17, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Tag removed
I removed a tag that stated this article wasn't focused on Pacquiao's boxing career. I assume the editor who placed that tag, wasn't aware that there is another article focused on his boxing career. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 08:18, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I was aware. Unfortunately that is not how Wikipedia works. This is an overview article for his life and career as a whole and as such should give due weight to all aspects of it. A major part of that career is his boxing. Having three paragraphs (one a long quote) for this part of his career while having multiple paragraphs and lists for his acting, political and basketball aspects (not to mention the stand alone controversy section) does not come close to giving the correct weight. If anything the wrong sections were WP:split off. If there was ever an article that warranted an Undue tag this is it. AIR corn (talk) 08:44, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't agree 100%, but then again, I don't see it as a major issue. If it promotes discussion and consensus then it's all good. Perhaps the Arnold Schwarzenegger article is a good example of how to move ahead with this article? Spacecowboy420 (talk) 09:12, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It would not be a bad place to start. Arnie suffers a bit from WP:Recentism, but that is pretty common here. Would definitely be an improvement. AIR corn (talk) 09:34, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with . One option would be to undo the split and, if the article is too long, split the acting, political and basketball sections.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 20:52, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2019
182.18.229.244 (talk) 04:47, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2019
182.18.228.183 (talk) 00:42, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Error: Douglas defeated Tyson ...
Can someone fix this?

"Mike Tyson's defeat of James "Buster" Douglas in 1990" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.35.112.194 (talk) 20:19, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2021
I want to mention his children's names. 49.149.169.194 (talk) 02:28, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * ❌ WP:BLPNAME. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 03:58, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

2022 Philippine presidential election
can we discuss why the election subsection was removed? CutePeach (talk) 10:47, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

he just lost
i changed his loss count from 7 to 8 Outrunno (talk) 05:06, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2021
Could you please add under "Awards and recognitions" under "national" awards that Manny Pacquiao was made a Knight Commander in the Philippines' Order of the Knights of Rizal in 2010? 2600:8807:5449:FB00:2520:CF6F:3B6C:BE29 (talk) 20:17, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:25, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2022
I just wanted to add that Manny Pacquiao was mentioned in Betty by Yung Gravy. 2600:1700:59E4:1020:49DD:87B4:AFD8:D2AF (talk) 00:40, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
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Origin/etymology of surname
Does his surname derive from the Cebuano word pakyaw, which means "wholesale" or "to buy or pay in bulk"? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 17:32, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2023
Please add the “Professional Boxing Record” section (the one that shows all of his fights, opponents, record after each fight, method of victory, etc.), as it is absent from the page. 174.69.129.139 (talk) 04:17, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Presuming you mean the lengthy table at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_career_of_Manny_Pacquiao#Professional_boxing_record, no. We fork things off into separate articles to keep articles from being too bloated Cannolis (talk) 21:48, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2023
Pacquiao is regarded by many as one of the greatest Filipino boxers of all-time. 186.96.30.17 (talk) 03:54, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  14:08, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

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Stephen Burritt

Stephen M. Burritt (c. 1759 – January 13, 1844) was an early settler in eastern Ontario, Canada.

Biography
Originally from Connecticut, he fought on behalf of the British at the Battle of Bennington. He and his son were captured and imprisoned but were able to escape because the warden of the prison was a fellow mason. After the war, he came to Upper Canada along the Saint Lawrence River. In 1793, he travelled up the Rideau River and settled with his family near the current site of the village of Burritts Rapids.

He became a justice of the peace in the Johnstown District in 1800. In 1808, he was elected to represent Grenville County in the Assembly of Upper Canada. He commanded Fort Wellington at Prescott during the War of 1812.

He died in Marlborough Township in 1844.

His son Henry later also served in the legislative assembly.

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Ballads of Living and Dying

Ballads of Living and Dying is Marissa Nadler's first studio album, released in 2004 on Eclipse Records.

Background
Nadler first began recording her songs onto cassette at an early age. When she turned 16, her parents gifted her a couple hours in a recording studio. When she entered art school in Providence, Rhode Island, she would perform at open mic events. This eventually led to her recording her first album: "I had a boyfriend at the time and he recorded that record for me over the course of many months and we fell in love during the recording, and he ended up being the subject matter for several albums after!"

Track listing
All songs written by Marissa Nadler, except where noted.
 * 1) "Fifty Five Falls" – 5:01
 * 2) "Hay tantos muertos" – 2:51 (Nadler, Pablo Neruda)
 * 3) "Stallions" – 3:11
 * 4) "Undertaker" – 2:17
 * 5) "Box of Cedar" – 4:39
 * 6) "Bird Song" – 3:07
 * 7) "Mayflower May" – 3:21
 * 8) "Days of Rum" – 4:20
 * 9) "Virginia" – 2:39
 * 10) "Annabelle Lee" – 5:15 (Nadler, Edgar Allan Poe)
 * 11) "Door Slam" (vinyl-only bonus track)

Personnel
Credits taken from album booklet.

Musicians

 * Marissa Nadler – vocals (all tracks), acoustic guitar (all tracks except 8), organ (tracks 3 and 7), keys (tracks 4 and 9), banjo (track 8)
 * Myles Baer – electric guitar (tracks 1 and 10), background vocals (track 1), accordion (track 2), e-bow (track 10)
 * Kendra Flowers – harmony vocals (track 5)

Production
Recorded, mixed and produced by Myles Baer at Black Hole Sound Studios, 2003-2004.

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