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Talk:Regina Spektor

Lead - when she began writing songs
In the lead, the following sentence is confusing:

When she was 9 years old, her family emigrated to the United States where she continued her classical training into her teenage years; she began to write original songs shortly thereafter.

It's confusing what timeframe "shortly thereafter" refers to. Based on the rest of the article, it seems to mean after the emigration not after her teenage years. Can this be clarified? --BLebow4500 (talk) 17:18, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

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She's Russian-American
For some reason, this page is hovered over for years by people wanting to describe this person to our readers as "American" rather than "Russian-American" in the lede. Can't agree.

It could be debatable since she came at nine years old. That's sort of in the middle. Let's think about this.

If you're born in Russia and come to America at age two, then Russia hasn't really impinged itself on your consciousness. You won't remember anything about Russia. You can barely talk, so although Russian is your mother tongue, you may readily lose it and speak English with total intuitive fluency. A reasonable case could be made for calling you "American", I guess. I don't know if I'd buy it, but I see a case.

If you're born in Russia and come over at age twenty, then Russia has really impinged itself on your consciousness. You not only have lots of memories of Russia, your entire life up to and into adulthood was shaped by your experiences -- all in Russia. Your will probably always speak with a slight Russian accent, and think in Russian. Anybody who emigrated to the United States at age twenty would be described as a "Russian-American" -- would have to be. I've written a couple articles such as Patrick Byrne Magrane -- he came over at age 18 or 19, and I described him as "Irish-American". Had to, otherwise you're cheating the reader.

Well, age nine is somewhere in the grey area there, I guess. One difference is agency -- come over at 20, you do so of your own will. Age nine, not. Does it matter? Don't see why it should. YMMD.

Other than that... the woman surely has many memories of Russia. Enough of her life passed in Russia that her perceptions and experiences that shaped her took place there. The questions one finds the answers to as one grows up -- "what is a school? what is a store? what are friends like? what is a country? what places do people live in? what work do grownups do? and so on -- were answered in a Russian context. She lived there until she was almost on the cusp of adolescence. Her language centers became fully formed and set in Russia -- I'll be she still speaks (not sings) with a perceptible Russian accent, although maybe not.

I note the article says "She grew up listening to...famous Russian bards like Vladimir Vysotsky and Bulat Okudzhava". Sounds like a Russian girl to me.

I think when you have a person who was born and partly raised in Russia, lived a quarter of her life in Russia (the quarter where she was being formed as a person in important ways) and whose mother tongue is Russian -- how is it a service to the reader to not tell them right off that she is Russian-American? Does that really aid the reader in quickly getting a handle on this person? I think the burden is on editors who do not want to state this information to make a case for not doing so.

I'm not very interested in technical issues of current citizenship. We are not the passport office. I'm interested in helping our readers understand the subject. I'm also not much impressed with "well, they can read the whole article and get all the info". Ledes have a purpose. One is to help the reader get a quick handle on the subject of the article without, or before, drilling down. Herostratus (talk) 05:26, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * An editor has contested and reverted, so fine. We'll go to an RfC. Herostratus (talk) 16:24, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

RfC: is Regina Spektor "American" or "Russian-American"?
Should Spektor be described in the lede as "an American singer-songwriter and pianist" or "a Russian–American singer-songwriter and pianist"? Herostratus (talk) 16:53, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Survey

 * Russian-American, my reasoning given in detail below. In summary, she was born in Russia, speaks Russian as her mother tongue, and half her growing-up was in Russia so that a considerable part of who she is was formed in a Russian context. (She's also ethnically Russian, Russian Jewish to be precise). The article quotes her saying "I'm very connected to the [Russian] language and the culture". All this we communicate to the reader by saying "Russian-American". Technicalities of what passport she currently carries have little bearing; the reader wants to know who she is. Herostratus (talk) 16:53, 28 February 2017 (UTC) N.B. Russian-born American is acceptable to me, although not quite as good IMO. Herostratus (talk) 00:54, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Russian-American It seems to be standard practice on Wikipedia to describe immigrants as having a double-barreled nationality, regardless of whether or not they hold dual citizenship. The main exception is for people who repatriate to their parents' nation of origin; thus Ted Cruz is not Canadian American, George Romney is not Mexican American, and Louisa Adams is not English American, because all were born abroad to American parents.  We don't normally hyphenate a person's nationality due to their heritage only, but that's irrelevant in the case of Spektor, who was actually born in Russia.  --DavidK93 (talk) 15:58, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * American per WP:OPENPARA. The pages that show the birth country or ethnicity are violations of the policy. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 19:28, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Firstly, the Manual of Style is explicitly not policy, and we are free to blithely ignore it as the mood takes us. Secondly, WP:OPENPARA says nothing of the sort: Birth and death places...can be in the lead if relevant to the person's notability.  Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:33, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

 * American or Russian born American if important. 'Double-barrelled' isn't clearer, it's more ambiguous (one parent of each? … ethnically-Russian but family been is US for generations? … dual-nationality? … born one, changed to other?). Pincrete (talk) 20:57, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Neither Ms Spektor is simply and evidently a Russian-born American. And there is no reason why this should not be reflected in the lede. -The Gnome (talk) 08:11, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Russian-born American seems most accurate and neutral. Third-party sourcing of this description would be helpful. (summoned by bot). Coretheapple (talk) 14:13, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
 * "Russian-born American" based on the sources shown by and  and the former's reasons below.  It is the simplest and clearest source-based identification.  Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:24, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Russian-born American - Summoned by bot. More specific while avoiding the "double-barrelled" and "ambiguous" alternative, as Pincrete noted. Meatsgains (talk) 13:48, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Threaded discussion
An editor has reverted the article back to just "American" with the edit summary "she has the only one American citizenship, not dual Russian-American", and I believe this is the general argument that has been used over the years to keep this article to describing her as just "American".

This is rank pedantry IMO. (I suspect some kind of agenda, actually.) We are not the passport office. The reader cares who she is, not what papers are in her wallet. Suppose Alexander Kerensky (who lived at the end of his life in the United States) had acquired American citizenship (and maybe he did, don't know). Would it be proper to describe him as "an American politician"? Really? Would that be helpful to the reader?

Instead, let's talk this through. I do concede that it could be debatable since she came at nine years old. That's sort of in the middle. So let's think about this.
 * If you're born in Russia and come to America at age two, then Russia hasn't really impinged itself on your consciousness. You won't remember anything about Russia. You can barely talk, so although Russian is your mother tongue, you may readily lose it and speak English with total intuitive fluency. A reasonable case could be made for calling you "American", I guess. I don't know if I'd buy it, but I see a case.
 * If you're born in Russia and come over at age twenty, then Russia has really impinged itself on your consciousness. You not only have lots of memories of Russia, your entire life up to and into adulthood was shaped by your experiences -- all in Russia. Your will probably always speak with a slight Russian accent, and think in Russian. Anybody who emigrated to the United States at age twenty would be described as a "Russian-American" -- would have to be. I've written a couple articles such as Patrick Byrne Magrane -- he came over at age 18 or 19, and I described him as "Irish-American". Had to, otherwise you're cheating the reader.

So where does Regina fit? Well, age nine is somewhere in the grey area there, I guess. One difference is agency -- come over at 20, you do so of your own will. Age nine, not. Does it matter? Don't see why it should. YMMD.

Other than that... the woman surely has many memories of Russia. Enough of her life passed in Russia that her perceptions and experiences that shaped her took place there. The questions one finds the answers to as one grows up -- "what is a school? what is a store? what are friends like? what is a country? what places do people live in? what work do grownups do? and so on -- were answered in a Russian context. She lived there until she was almost on the cusp of adolescence. Her language centers became fully formed and set in Russia. (She does not have any trace of Russian accent, though.)

I note the article says "She grew up listening to...famous Russian bards like Vladimir Vysotsky and Bulat Okudzhava". Sounds like a (partly) Russian girl to me. The article also says "Spektor... has paid tribute to her Russian heritage... stating, 'I'm very connected to the language and the culture'".

I'm won't be much impressed with "well, they can read the whole article and get all the info". Ledes have a purpose. One is to help the reader get a quick handle on the subject of the article without, or before, drilling down. Herostratus (talk) 16:53, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The answer for this question shouldn't be based on philosophical categorization or personal preferences but on what sources say. That's supposed to be the way WP:BLP works, anyway.  So the question should be reformed as: Are there more and better quality sources describing Spektor as "Russian-American" or as simply "American"?  A quick googlefight produces both, but more in-depth evaluation of sources is obviously required.  What to the sources currently cited in the article say?  Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:29, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, that's an excellent point. But, I tried it, but I couldn't get much. I looked at all the refs in the article (there are 55) and only one directly characterizes her nationality: here where she's described as "Soviet-American". And that's it.

 * Many describe her background and say "born in Moscow" or something, or discuss her background in more detail, but don't say "Spektor is a ________". (Here we have "Spektor is a Russian Jew" and they say "is" not "was"... I really don't think they mean it that way. Here "A Russian Jew", same deal. I wouldn't count those.)

 * So good idea, but it didn't work. I could not get anything useful from Google Ngram. And getting useful data from Google would be difficult, tedious, and subject to error, so I haven't done it, although maybe we should.

 * Under the circumstances, I guess we're thrown back on our own brains. It's OK... there's a little more art to writing an article then just exactly counting sources slavishly anyway. We're allowed to make small leaps of logic in characterizing entities, provided we have a reasonable basis for believing that it's the best way to serve the reader by accurately describing the entity.

 * This one doesn't characterize her nationality. It's titled "Regina Spektor: On Growing Up A 'Soviet Kid'" and it says

 * "she and her family faced discrimination as Jews. 'You couldn't go to synagogue, but we did have little relics of religion passed down here and there'..." and "Spektor left for New York with her parents, knowing no English [emphasis added] and feeling like an outsider. For instance, she says she was surprised that her peers didn't act like World War II had just happened"} and she says "World War II was fought on [Russian] soil... Every single person was touched by the war in some way... It's very different having war on your soil rather than sending troops to some remote place, where the people don't really feel it. There are people walking around with an arm missing, a leg missing. It was just real visible wounds and stories of survival, stories of heroism, stories of destruction — that all the kids grew up with it all the time."

 * Little bit different experience than Brian Wilson or Annette Funicello or other people we describe as just "American", period, ya think? Why would this not matter to the reader?

 * BTW another thing to look at though is how we characterize other people in her situation (emigrated around age nine). This isn't a deal-breaker either way, but it's a data point. But I can't think of anyone like that. Herostratus (talk) 22:43, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, if the sources don't characterize her as either "Russian American" or "American", then, per BLP, we shouldn't either. It looks like you have found good evidence, however, to support characterizing her as "Jewish-American".  Not that that's necessarily a bad thing.  Those even just flicking past the article will see that she was born in Russia and now lives in US.  There isn't any real requirement to tag her as one or the other.  Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:00, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Can't agree with that. We characterize most everyone by nationality, in biographies. I always say "...was an American poet..." (or "German" or whatever). I think that's standard, and expected, and essentially required; certainly everyone does it anyway, and a good thing too. See MOS:OPENPARAGRAPH #3, "context".

 * I mean for Peter Beauvais I have "Peter Beauvais was a German television film director...." I do that because he was born in Germany, spoke German as his mother tongue, lived his whole life and had his whole career in Germany, and died in Germany. And it's key information. I may not have any sources that say, exactly, "Peter Beauvais was a German" in just exactly those words. So? He was German, and I don't see the benefit of not letting the reader in on this info.

 * As to "It looks like you have found good evidence, however, to support characterizing her as "Jewish-American", well, I sure have not. Yes I reported one ref that says "she is a Jew" and one says "she is a Russian Jew", but far more refs say "was born in Moscow and grew up partly in Russia" or whatever, without actually saying "she is ______." Let's not get bogged down in semantics. Herostratus (talk) 23:40, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

RfC result (from the section above)
The result of the RfC in the section above (Talk:Regina Spektor) was: Since Legobot delists the RfC and removes the header when 30 days has expired from creation, the RfC is now over. It's clear that the consensus is for Russian-born American by numbers. IMO sources and strength of argument clearly support something like this also, although "strength of argument" is subjective.
 * 5 for Russian-born American
 * 1 for Russian-born American as an acceptable second alternative to "Russian-American"
 * 1 for either American, or Russian born American "if important"
 * 1 for American

Nevertheless, an editor is wanting to keep it as just "American", citing MOS:OPENPARA which is
 * 1) Only a guideline, and anyway
 * 2) like most rules is hedged about with "generally" and "mostly" and "usually", and anyway
 * 3) is ignored a lot for cases like this, from Charlize Theron to thousands of other cases, and anyway
 * 4) was addressed and refuted in the RfC.

The editor voted in the RfC (he was the one vote for "American") so they're aware of the RfC, so they don't have the excuse that they don't. So let's not edit war over this. I'm calling on any participants or passerby to defend the integrity of the RfC result, thanks. Herostratus (talk) 14:29, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

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Peter Gabriel cover
OK, I don't understand why there's no mention of Regina's cover of Peter Gabriel's Blood of Eden.

I feel like adding it without consultation, but I wonder what happened here? Is there something I need to know about her cover which appeared on And I'll Scratch Yours?

Please give feedback on this. I'd like to hear back by end of August 2021. If not, I might just add this little piece to the Wiki page.

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Science fiction opera

Science fiction opera is a subgenre of science fiction. It refers to operas whose subject-matter fits in the science fiction genre. Like science-fiction literature, science-fiction operas may be set in the future and involve spaceflight or alien invasion. Other science-fiction operas focus on a dystopian view of the future. Like Lorin Maazel's opera 1984, they may be based on a previously written science fiction book.

List of science fiction operas
The following is a partial list of science fiction operas.

 * Karl-Birger Blomdahl (1916–1968): Aniara (based on the poem of that name by Harry Martinson)
 * Viktor Ullmann (1898–1944):  The Emperor of Atlantis
 * Eef van Breen (born 1978) ’u’, the first opera in Klingon
 * Gavin Bryars (born 1943): Doctor Ox's Experiment (based on the book by Jules Verne)
 * Philip Glass (born 1937): The Making of the Representative for Planet 8 and The Marriages Between Zones Three, Four and Five (based on the books by Doris Lessing), 1000 Airplanes on the Roof, and The Voyage
 * Joseph Haydn (1732–1809) Il mondo della luna (The World of the Moon), 1777
 * Leoš Janáček (1854–1928): The Makropulos Affair (based on the play by Karel Čapek), premiered 1926; and The Excursions of Mr. Brouček to the Moon and to the 15th Century (1920)
 * Karel Janovický (b 1930): The Utmost Sail (1958) a one act opera inspired by the launch of the satellite Sputnik in 1957. It concerns the crew of a space ship flying into space and watching the Earth being consumed in a nuclear holocaust.
 * Lorin Maazel (1930–2014) 1984 (based on the book by George Orwell)
 * Tod Machover (born 1953) Valis (1987) (based on the novel VALIS by Philip K. Dick)
 * Gian Carlo Menotti (1911–2007) A Bride from Pluto (1982) and Help, Help, the Globolinks! (1968)
 * Jacques Offenbach (1819-1880) Le voyage dans la lune (based on the book De la terre à la lune by Jules Verne), premiered 1875.
 * Poul Ruders (born 1949) The Handmaid's Tale (based on the book of that name by Margaret Atwood)
 * Howard Shore (born 1946): The Fly (based on David Cronenberg's 1986 film)
 * Karlheinz Stockhausen (1928–2007) Licht (based on The Urantia Book)
 * Steven Andrew Taylor's Paradises Lost after a short story from Ursula K. Le Guin's collection The Birthday of the World
 * Michael Tippett's New Year (1989), which features a spaceship and time travelers from the future.

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Natangians

Natangians or Notangians (Notangi; Natangowie; Notangai; Natanger) was a Prussian clan, which lived in the region of Natangia, an area that is now mostly part of the Russian exclave Kaliningrad Oblast, whereas the southern portion lies in the Polish Warmian-Masurian Voivodeship.

In the 13th century, when the Teutonic Knights began their crusade against the Prussians, some 15,000 people might have lived in the area between the Pregolya and Łyna rivers. The Natangian lands bordered with Sambia in the north, Warmia in the west and south, and Bartia in the southeast. They likely spoke a West Baltic language, now extinct, similar to Old Prussian language.

History
Natangians are first mentioned in a 1238 treaty between the Knights and Duke Świętopełk II of Pomerania. They were conquered by the Teutonic Knights around 1239–1240. In order to prevent the Natangians from liberating themselves from Teutonic rule, the Teutonic Order erected the Kreuzburg Castle in Natangia. The Treaty of Christburg of early 1249, which assured personal freedom to newly converted Christians, included Natangians. However, the treaty failed to address the underlying causes of the conflict, and Natangians massacred 54 knights in the Battle of Krücken in November 1249. But the victory was short-lived, the Knights regained their strength in just two years and continued their crusade. In 1255 they built Königsberg (now Kaliningrad) at the mouth of Pregolya river, right on the border between Natangia and Sambia.

During the Great Prussian Uprising (1260–1274), the Natangians elected Herkus Monte, who was educated in Germany, as their chief. At first he was successful and defeated the Knights in the Battle of Pokarwis and Battle of Löbau. However, the rebels were unable to capture the brick castles built by the Knights and were defeated. Herkus, who had been one of the most prominent leaders of the Prussians, was captured and hanged in 1273. The Natangian nobles submitted to the Germans, who promised privileges and undisturbed ownership of their estates. Natangians, led by Sabynas and Stanta, rebelled for the last time in 1295. In 1454, the region was incorporated by King Casimir IV Jagiellon to the Kingdom of Poland. After the subsequent Thirteen Years' War, the longest of all Polish–Teutonic wars, since 1466, it formed part of Poland as a fief held by the Teutonic Order, and after 1525 held by secular Ducal Prussia.

When German colonists settled in the area, the Natangians kept their local language and customs up until the 17th century. Later on, their identity disappeared by the end of the 17th century or the beginning of the 18th century as they merged with the German population, but the local populace still defined themselves as "Natangians" up to 1945 and even the local newspaper of Landsberg (Górowo Iławeckie) was called "Natanger Zeitung" after 1919.

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Hobbs Coast

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Aksu Prefecture

Aksu Prefecture is located in mid-Western Xinjiang, China. It has an area of 131,161 km2 and 2.714 million inhabitants at the 2020 census whom 715,319 lived in the built-up (or metro) area made up of Aksu urban district. The name Aksu is Turkic for 'white water'. Aksu Prefecture has a 263.8 km long international boundary with Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan.

Etymology
The name Aksu comes from the name of the Aksu River which is Turkic for 'white water'. The name is similar to that of the nearby Zhetysu region which means "seven rivers". The name of Aksu Prefecture's Onsu County (Wensu) means "ten water" in Uyghur and other Turkic languages, and 'Kizilsu' in Kizilsu Kyrgyz Autonomous Prefecture means 'red water'- all of these names consist of a descriptor followed by 'su' (river; water).

History
In 717 AD, the Arabs, guided by their Turgesh allies, besieged Buat-ɦuɑn (Aksu) and Dai-dʑiᴇk-dʑiᴇŋ (Uqturpan) in the Battle of Aksu.

During the COVID-19 pandemic in mainland China, 214 Uyghur workers were sent to Jiujiang, Jiangxi.

Geography
The prefecture occupies the northwestern part of the Tarim Basin and the southern slopes of the Tian Shan. The southern part of the prefecture is within the Taklamakan desert. Agriculture is only possible in the areas irrigated by the Tarim River and its glacier-fed tributaries, the Aksu River and the Muzart River. Aksu Prefecture surrounds Aral, Xinjiang.

Administrative divisions
Aksu Prefecture is divided into 2 county-level cities and 8 counties:

Demographics
As of 2020, 2,051,412 (80.1%) of the 2,561,674 residents of the county were Uyghur, 475,323 (18.6%) were Han Chinese and 34,939 were from other ethnic groups.

As of 1999, 75.0% of the population of Aksu (Aqsu, Akesu) Prefecture was Uyghur and 23.7% of the population was Han Chinese.

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Nazia and Zoheb

Nazia and Zoheb (نازیہ اور زوہیب) were Pakistani pop duo from Karachi, Sindh formed in 1980. The group consisted of two siblings, Nazia Hassan and Zoheb Hassan (collectively known as Hassans, The Hassans or Hazan), who were singing sensations and pop icons across South Asia. They are regarded as pioneers of the Pakistani pop scenes, and were one of the most successful Asian pop duos of all time, selling more than 105 million albums worldwide.

The duo initially gained prominence with their music single "Aap Jaisa Koi" first featured as a soundtrack for the 1980 Indian film Qurbani. They later went on to release their debut album Disco Deewane in 1981 produced by Indian producer Biddu which became the best selling Asian pop album at the time charting in 14 countries worldwide becoming a hit in countries such as Brazil, Russia, South Africa, and Indonesia. The iconic album helped shape pop music in Pakistan and India as seen today. The duo released their second album Boom Boom in 1982 which was the soundtrack for the Bollywood movie Star. After two years, the band recorded their critically acclaimed album Young Tarang in 1983. It was the first album of Pakistan pre-MTV to feature music videos. Nazia and Zoheb released their fourth hit album, Hotline in 1987, which featured the duo's younger sister, Zahra Hassan. The group released their last studio album Camera Camera in 1992, which was written and produced solely by Zoheb.

Before the release of their fifth studio album, Nazia and Zoheb announced that it would be their last album. It did not achieve the same level of success of its predecessors as Nazia fell drastically ill and they could not promote the CD. After the album's release, Nazia quit her singing career to focus on her health and personal life. Zoheb went on to pursue his career as an actor/soloist and released his debut album Kismat (2006).

The group disbanded in the early 1990s, due to the illness of Nazia Hassan. She died later on the 13th of August, 2000 due to lung cancer at the age of 35 in London. After her death, Zoheb Hassan also quit his singing career before making a spectacular comeback in 2014 with hit songs "Jaana", "Chehra" and "Dheeray Dheeray" for the musical series Coke Studio Pakistan.

Early years (1975–1981)
Nazia and Zoheb spent their childhood in Karachi as well as London. In the late 1970s, both siblings participated in "Sang Sang Chalien" and "Kaliyon Ke Mala"; both are famous musical shows for children hosted by the music maestro Sohail Rana. In 1976, Nazia and Zoheb both made a cameo appearance in the Pakistani film Beyond the Last Mountain as extras in a musical scene. Nazia's professional career started at the age of fifteen when she provided lead vocals for the song "Aap Jaisa Koi" from the 1980 film Qurbani. Nazia was introduced to the film's director Feroz Khan by his friend Biddu, an Indian music producer based in the United Kingdom. The song was a huge success in India and despite Nazia being a Pakistani, she gained overnight fame there, too. In 1981, Nazia won the Filmfare Award for Best Female Playback Singer for "Aap Jaisa Koi".

Breakthrough era (1981–1983)
After the success of "Aap Jaisa Koi", Qurbani became a big hit, and Nazia once again collaborated with Biddu and her equally talented brother, Zoheb. In 1981, Nazia/Zoheb became the first teen singers to release a pop album. The album was titled "Disco Deewane". The album broke record sales in Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, South Africa and even topped the charts in the West Indies, Latin America and Russia. Zoheb composed 6 out of the 10 tracks on the album to establish himself as a successful singer/songwriter.

After the release of "Disco Deewane", Nazia and Zoheb were offered the chance to act in a movie by Biddu, but they refused to act and chose singing. Nazia's second album Star/Boom Boom was released in 1982. The soundtrack of the album was used in the movie Star. The film did not do well at the box office, but the album was successful.

Continued success (1983–1989)
Nazia's third album, Young Tarang, was released in 1983. It was the first album in Pakistan to feature music videos, which were made in London by David and Kathy Rose. The album sold over 40 million copies. The album made Nazia/Zoheb into one of the most known pop icons in South East Asia. "Ankhien Milane Wale", "Zara Chehra" and "Dum Dum Dee Dee" became the most popular songs on the album.

Over thirty years later, an India Today article titled "Nazia makes a lovely comeback" celebrated Nazia Hassan's music appearing in the cult 2012 film, Miss Lovely that had premiered at the Cannes Film Festival: "The film has made the audience nostalgic over Ahluwalia's use of the song "Dum dum de de" from Hassan's 1984 album, Young Tarang." Miss Lovely director, Ashim Ahluwalia, described keeping the original track untouched: "The song symbolises the '80s and the lyrics of the song were in sync with the mood of the film. [We] retained the original voice of Nazia. We didn't want to remix this song because the original was perfect."

After the release of Young Tarang, Nazia/Zoheb returned to singing for Bollywood movies as playback singers. She sang with legendary Kishore Kumar and Zoheb sang "Mein Aaya Tere Liye" for film superstar Govinda.

Nazia's fourth album, Hotline, was released in 1987. "Aa Haan," "Hum aur Tum," "Paisa Paisa" and "Telephone Pyar" were the most popular songs on the album. The songs were later performed on the revolutionary TV show, Music 89, which led to Nazia and Zoheb being banned by the extremist elements in the Pakistani Parliament for promoting youth music and culture which was deemed un-Islamic at that time. Ironically, the show launched the careers of numerous rising bands and singers in Pakistan. Nazia hosted another show, Dhanak, on PTV that same year. By the end of the 1980's, Nazia/Zoheb had become one of the most popular Asian pop singing duos.

Retirement (1990–1995)
In 1991, Nazia and Zoheb recorded their fifth album, Camera Camera. Before the album's release, Nazia and Zoheb announced it would be their last album. The album was released in 1992. This album featured hits like the Punjabi classic "Taali Dey Thalay." It was not as successful as their previous albums as Nazia was diagnosed with cancer and both decided not to promote the album.

Nazia's death and beyond (2000–2003)
Nazia Hassan died of lung cancer in London on the 13th of August, 2000 at the age of 35. She was admitted to North Finchley Hospice three days prior as her condition deteriorated. She showed signs of mild recovery the day before she died and it was thought that doctors would allow her to go home. But early Sunday morning, her mother, Muneeza, was called to the hospital where her daughter had started coughing heavily at around 9:15am. She died within minutes. Nazia is buried at the Muslim Hendon Cemetery in London.

On Saturday, 9 March 2002, Zoheb Hassan organised a tribute concert for his late sister Nazia Hassan at the Gymkhana Cricket Ground in front of 10,000 people. Zoheb sang a compilation of his hits to a hysterical crowd. The classic line-up of Vital Signs performed together on stage for the first time in almost 7 years. The concert, which featured over 30 artists and bands, was reported by The News International as one of the best concerts ever seen in Pakistan.

On 23 March 2002, the Government of Pakistan posthumously conferred the Pride of Performance award, the highest civilian award in the country, upon Nazia Hassan. The award was presented to Muniza Basir, mother of Nazia Hassan, by the President of Pakistan Pervez Musharraf in an official ceremony held at Islamabad. Zoheb went on to become the Honorary Advisor to the Governor of Sindh and went on to organise mega festivals such as "Sindh Festival", "Media & Entertainment Expo", "Pakistan UK Connect Expo" (UK), "Pakistan Arts & Crafts Fair", etc. He also started his own media company, B&H International Pvt. Limited.

In 2003, Nazia's family established the Nazia Hassan Foundation, a charitable organization. The organization was established in continuation of her lifelong charitable and social efforts to make the world a better place to live in for all irrespective of color, creed or religion.

2006–present
Zoheb Hassan acted in the drama serial "Kismat" in 2006 and released his solo album of the same title. Soon after, he decided to quit his music career to focus on his family's extensive property and media business.

Remixes

 * Get a Little Closer, by Hazan, remixed by Sal Solo.

TV dramas

 * 1) Kismet (Geo TV, 2006)

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Berthold von Henneberg

Bertold von Henneberg-Römhild (1442–1504) was Archbishop of Mainz and Prince-elector of the Holy Roman Empire from 1484, imperial chancellor from 1486, and leader of the reform faction within the Empire.

Biography
The son of George, Count of Henneberg and Johanna, daughter of Count Philipp I of Nassau-Weilburg was educated at the University of Erfurt. He entered the ecclesiastical profession and, after passing through its lower stages, from 1472 on was a member of the Mainz cathedral chapter, dean from 1475. On May 20, 1484 he was elected archbishop, confirmed by Pope Innocent VIII on September 20, 1484. He was made imperial chancellor in 1486 in return for supporting the election of Maximilian I.

As a follower of Nicholas of Cusa and the ideas of Renaissance humanism, he appears to have been a firm supporter of law and order, an enemy of clerical abuses and a careful administrator of his diocese. Immediately after his election as archbishop he began to take a leading part in the business of the Empire, and in 1486 was very active in securing the election of Maximilian of Habsburg as King of the Romans.

Imperial Reform
Henneberg is most remembered as an advocate of administrative reform in the Empire, including the implementation of the Ewiger Landfriede (eternal public peace) to put an end to internal feuds, secured by the jurisdiction of an Imperial Chamber Court. As a member of the electoral college and archchancellor he had brought this question before the Reichstag diet during the reign of Emperor Frederick III.

At first his proposals came to nothing, but he continued the struggle at a series of diets and after Frederick's death, he was the leader of the party which pressed the necessity for reform upon Frederick's son Maximilian at the Diet of Worms in 1495, where the Ewiger Landfriede was declared. He also urged the Imperial States to emulate the courage and union of the Swiss Confederacy and gained a temporary victory when the 1500 Reichstag at Augsburg established a council of regency (Reichsregiment) under his guidance, making the Emperor "no more than an honorary figurehead" while the real power in the Empire was with Henneberg and the other prince-electors. Though he persuaded the electors to form a union to uphold the reforms of 1495 and 1500, the Reichsregiment was abolished by Maximilian in 1502, defeating Henneberg's Electoral League, which had not managed to gain the trust of the Empire's other princes. The following year, he returned the imperial seal, signifying his defeat.

Henneberg died on December 21, 1504. He is buried at Mainz Cathedral where a magnificent monument perpetuates his memory.

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"Cymuned have orchestrated protests outside estate agents in England that sell second homes in Wales to English people, yet have spectacularly failed to picket those that sell English homes to Welsh people."

The issue of english people moving into Wales is more destructive than welsh people moving into England. By this I mean that the welsh language is far more under threat than the english language is.

If the english language ever somehow managed to become under threat, a pressure group would appear in favour of protecting the english language. Don't you worry now.

-- User:84.13.67.24 (unsigned)

I have to say that "spectacularly failed" is not very encyclopaedic language. 66.92.237.111 21:23, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

 * In favour of protecting the English? Like the British National Party? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.64.175.234 (talk) 22:29, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

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Aryob

Aryob (اریوب) or Aryub is the main town of Zazi District in the Paktia Province of Afghanistan where the Zazi tribe of Pashtuns live. Aryob is also a tribe of their own, some regard them as of Turk-Shahi origin.

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Talk:Sedum

A good addition to this page would be a section about low-lying Sedum varieties that can be used as a grass replacement (no need to water and mown it all the time). Anybody knows enough about that to give it a shot? --MikeCapone 18:22, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Reference 5
The link to reference 5 is broken as of March 3, 2011. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.65.116.29 (talk) 00:15, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Reference 3
The link to reference 3 is broken as of Aug 8, 2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.155.173.251 (talk) 18:06, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Edibility
The Sedum reflexum species has a slightly astringent sour taste; in Europe (and United Kingdom) it is used in salads and eaten as a vegetable occasionally.

I added this; anyone else able to verify it?? --LiverpoolCommander 10:02, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Done. -- SB_Johnny |talk|books 10:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Wrong redirect
Sedum reflexum redirects to this page. It should get its own page, and Sedum rupestre schould redirect thereto. Dysmorodrepanis 12:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Sedum album?
I removed this image from Sedum album as it doesn't look as if it is the same species as in the taxobox. If you know what species it is please move it accordingly. Thanks Smartse (talk) 13:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Sedum Angelina
Usually I am able to find a lot of species, common and uncommon on wikipedia. I have a species of sedum that I have identified (by multiple sources), to be Sedum Angelina. This species is not confirmed by wikipedia, only because the species is NOT listed. Sedum Angelina should be added by someone with a lot more "expertise." Znoec (talk) 06:20, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Could it be the cultivar Sedum rupestre 'Angelina'? --82.40.89.223 (talk) 22:50, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

sedum multiceps
I believe the s.multiceps (aka [Pygmy|Dwarf] Joshua Tree) should also appear here.

--99.249.157.50 (talk) 14:47, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

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User:Karkinos~enwiki

Not much to say, really...

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West Virginia Route 98

West Virginia Route 98 is an east–west state highway located in the Clarksburg, West Virginia area. The western terminus of the route is at U.S. Route 50 west of Clarksburg. The eastern terminus is at West Virginia Route 20 in Nutter Fort, immediately south of Clarksburg.

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Bartians

The Bartians (also Barthi, Barthoni, Bartens, or Barti) were an Old Prussian tribe who were among the last natives following a pre-Christian religion before the Northern Crusades forced their conversion to Christianity at the cost of a high percentage of the native population. They lived in Bartia (also Bartenland or Barthonia), a territory that stretched from the middle and lower flow of Łyna river, by the Liwna river, and Lake Mamry, up to the Galindian woods. The territory is quite precisely known from description in Chronicon terrae Prussiae, dated 1326.

The same description mentions two provinces, the Major Barta and the Minor Barta. The territory was quite densely populated, as confirmed by abundant archeological findings. Before the wars with the Teutonic Knights, the population was estimated to be at 17,000.

The Bartians, along with the other Prussians, were conquered by the Teutonic Knights, who Christianized them under duress, brought in settlers. The Prussians were forcibly assimilated by the invaders and the Old Prussian language became extinct by the end of the 17th century.

History
Several years of conquest attempts by Poland, aided by a number of crusades by the popes and by Konrad of Masovia, had been fairly successfully repelled by the Prussians. Then Konrad of Masovia called for further crusades and invited the Teutonic Knights, an Order of the Catholic Church, to settle in Chełmno Land in 1226. Receiving support from the rest of Christian Europe, the military order was able to expand their territory northeast. Their strategy was to conquer a territory and built a castle — a stronghold that would serve as the basis for further expansion. Castles at that time in Europe were built to serve as bases for colonial expansion.

The Bartians, together with the Warmians and the Natangians, were conquered by the Teutonic Knights 1238–1240. In Bartia the Knights built major castles in Bartoszyce and Reszel. In 1242, just two years after their conquest, Bartians rebelled and managed to resist until 1252. During the Great Prussian Uprising (1260–1274), that started after the Knights suffered a major loss in the Battle of Durbe, Bartians chose Diwane as their leader. The rebels managed to capture a few castles, including Bartenstein (Bartoszyce) in 1264. With help from other Prussian tribes, Diwane attacked Kulm (Chełmno), Marienburg (Malbork), and Christburg (Dzierzgoń). However, the Prussians could not win a war of attrition against the Knights, who could draw resources from the western Europe. In 1273 Diwane sieged another castle but was fatally wounded. Within a year, the uprising was over. Some of the rebels escaped to Grodno and other Lithuanian territories.

Despite heavy losses during the uprising, Bartia did not become an uninhabited land and the Bartians continued to resist. Two more attempts were made, in 1286 and 1293, to fight against the Teutonic Knights. In 1286 Bartians asked help from Duke of Rügen, and in 1293 from Vytenis, Grand Duke of Lithuania. In 1454, the region was incorporated by King Casimir IV Jagiellon to the Kingdom of Poland. After the subsequent Thirteen Years' War, the longest of all Polish–Teutonic wars, since 1466, it formed part of Poland as a fief held by the Teutonic Order, and after 1525 held by secular Ducal Prussia. The Bartians were forcibly assimilated by the Germans in the 16th or 17th century.

They are most likely the Bartove mentioned in the Hypatian Codex (together with the Prussians: "Prousi i Bartove").

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User:CORNELIUSSEON

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Máximo Diego Pujol

Máximo Diego Pujol (born 7 December 1957) is an Argentine classical guitarist and composer.

Life and career
He was born in Buenos Aires and graduated from the Juan José Castro Provincial Conservatory. Pujol undertook his instrumental studies with Gaspar Navarro, Alfredo Vincente, Gascón and Horacio Ceballos, Abel Carlevaro, Liliana Ardissone and Miguel Angel Girollet. He also studied harmony and composition under the guidance of Leónidas Arnedo and participated in master classes and seminars directed by Antonio de Raco, Abel Carlevaro, and Leo Brouwer.

Pujol has been awarded numerous prizes in Argentine and international competitions. In 1989 he was awarded the Argentine Composers' Union prize as 'Best Composer of Classical Music'. His compositions reflect the influence of Ástor Piazzolla and similarly use the tango as a basic style.

Publications
Pujol's music is published exclusively with Éditions Henry Lemoine, Paris.

Recordings

 * Máximo Diego Pujol (rec. 2005) (Mandala, MAN 5097)
 * Tango, Milonga Y Final (2006) (Aqua Records, AQ 114 - Duo with María Isabel Siewers)
 * A mi viejo (2009) (Aqua Records, AQ232)
 * Piazzolla en seis cuerdas (2009) (Aqua Records, AQ233)
 * Complete Guitar Duos (2009), Giorgio Mirto & Victor Villadangos (Brilliant Classics 9088)
 * Historias sin Palabras (2011), Giorgio Mirto, guitar (Brilliant Classics 9209)

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West Virginia Route 971

West Virginia Route 971 is a 9.9 mi north–south state highway in Wyoming County, West Virginia. The route runs from West Virginia Route 97 in Baileysville north to West Virginia Route 10 in Oceana. It runs through mountainous, rural terrain, connecting Baileysville and Oceana to the communities of Clear Fork, Lillydale, and Lillyhaven. WV 971 has been the highest numbered state highway in West Virginia since July 2017, when WV 972 was decommissioned and absorbed by WV 93.

Route description
WV 971 begins at a junction with WV 97 in Baileysville, north of the Guyandotte River. Its southern terminus lies within the R. D. Bailey Lake Wildlife Management Area, the bulk of which is located to the west of the highway. From here, the route heads north into a mountainous rural area, following the David Branch. The highway follows a winding path until meeting the Schoolhouse Branch in Clear Fork, which it follows to an intersection with County Route 6. Past this junction, the route runs northwest and then east through Clear Fork. Following the Clear Fork of the Guyandotte River and the Norfolk Southern Railroad, WV 971 continues north into rural terrain. Turning northeast, the route passes Westside High School and enters a residential area. Upon resuming its northward trajectory, the highway runs through the communities of Lillydale and Lillyhaven. The route continues northeast into the west side of Oceana, where it terminates at WV 10.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luke Labern

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was speedy deleted by User:Starblind. Andrew pmk | Talk 19:02, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Luke Labern
A 14 year old legend? Also, Google doesn't throw up a lot of useful entries too...I'm afraid that I have to conclude that this boy is rather non-notable -- SoothingR 18:29, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Is this a speedy delete candidate? This was created at the same time as a number of speedy-deletable pages referencing the same person; for example, fuckdust. -- The Anome 18:35, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I have Speedied it under A7. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  18:44, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

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West Virginia Route 99

West Virginia Route 99 is an east–west state highway in southern West Virginia. The western terminus of the route is at West Virginia Route 85 northeast of Kopperston in the rural southeast corner of Boone County. The eastern terminus is at West Virginia Route 3 in Glen Daniel.

The section of WV 99 west of Bolt was constructed after 1968. Most of this stretch, approximately the westernmost 8 mi, is built in a nearly continuous series of cuts in the side of Guyandotte Mountain.

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Talk:Louis Walsh

Michael Vincent?
Or Michael Vincent Walsh? It's not clear from the source if Vincent is actually his middle or last name. anemone I  projectors  22:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Presumably it's Michael Vincent Walsh. This source says "I don't know if he'd been tipped off but he decided to ask Maureen if Louis was his real name and she said it wasn't. It was hilarious; nobody could believe his real name was so ordinary." It just says "Louis" rather than "Louis Walsh". The caption also says "Louis - Mam named him Michael Vincent". Obviously she wouldn't have much of a choice about choosing to name him Walsh. However, all of this is speculation as, worryingly, the DS story, the rté story, and many other sources all stem from this item in The Sun (of all places), which just says she told the warm up guy during a break, and that "an insider" told them. I missed Saturday's episode so don't know whether it came out on air. If it didn't then I'd suggest removing this altogether until a source better than The Sun reports it. Brad (talk) 00:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't recall it being mentioned on air, even in The Xtra Factor show. I don't trust those "insiders"... anemone  I  projectors  00:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't trust The Sun! I'll remove it. Brad (talk) 00:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

 * See this link: http://www.thedailygoss.com/x-factor/louis:-i-have-no-more-love-for-hope/
 * Louis comfirms his name in the video. midouk2002 (talk)
 * Straight from the horse's mouth so fair enough! Brad (talk) 14:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Birthplace contradiction?
Was he born in Belfast or Kiltimagh? Both are stated. And is he gay? AuntFlo (talk) 09:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Not sure about the birthplace but (removed per WP:BLP). GeneralBelly (talk) 11:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Personal life
Editor 194.80.32.9, and a number of other IP editors (it may be the same person) is adding a paragraph speculating about a lack  of personal information to the article. Here's what wrong with this;

 * it documents the existence of a "little" information that is known, but neither specifies or cites it.
 * it suggests that this information is not published because of fear of legal action. No cite to back up this statement.
 * The insinuation is therefore that this information is controversial, but provides nothing to back this up.
 * it suggests that the lack of information is what has caused gossip. Nothing to back this statement up.  And in any case, Wikipedia does not document gossip.
 * It mentions relatives of Walsh, but nothing is cited to provide verification.

For all these reasons this paragraph violates Wikipedia policy on biographies of living persons and policy of verifiable information. As such, policy states it should be removed immediately. Do not add this again. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 12:42, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

It seems there isn't much about this area of his life (marriage, sexuality etc.) any information found would be appreciated.--Cooly123 22:56, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Certainly the lack of info tells us something, and it is a fact that no such info is yet forthcoming. That, in itself and only by itself, can certainly be included.

Regarding the citation request :)
I just came to this article and noticed the request at the top of the page. It's a bit odd though, cause there's the citation request, but there are no fact tags anywhere in the article, to show where the citations are needed. Could someone sort this out, or if its wrong, just get rid of the citations box :) Cheers. Thor Malmjursson (talk) 18:59, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * References to reliable sources are required throughout the article. Most of the sources used (e.g. "the Daily Goss", startrip, Youtube, myparkmag) are not good enough and they need to be replaced with references to much better sources.--Michig (talk) 19:35, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Girls Aloud
Louis Walsh does not manage Girls Aloud any more! He hasn't for about 5 years 79.78.73.54 (talk) 22:34, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Eurovision
Someone is trying to fool people here. Johnny Logan sang Whats Another Year in 1980: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vccwzuttIQY

My Lovely Horse was a joke song written for the Eurovision episode of the Father Ted series.

Louis Walsh had nothing to do with either Logan or Father Ted

Hope someone who knows about the life of Louis Walsh will fact check the rest of this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.126.19.26 (talk) 13:48, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

 * The "Lovely Horse" reference was added as vandalism just yesterday. I've removed it.  The bit about Logan has been there for a while and doesn't sound impossible.  I've added a tag saying a cite is needed, but if anyone wants to remove it is cited, feel free.  -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 14:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Life before Boyzone?
What did he do before deciding to put together a boyband? did he have any music industry experience already? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.237.144.148 (talk) 14:16, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * This article lacks info on the first four decades of his life. Jim Michael (talk) 21:02, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * And nigh on two years later still does. There must be a biography out there somewhere. da nn o _ u k  03:07, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Worked in a music managers' office in Dublin. Discovered Johnny Logan and got him to enter Eurovision. Then presumably managed Logan. Then formed Boyzone. – anemone projectors – 11:10, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request from Twopints1978, 5 December 2010
The text:

In 2010 Louis Walsh is mentoring the Over 28 category on the seventh series of The X Factor. He currently has 2 acts remaining in Wagner Carillho and Mary Byrne.

to be replaced with:

In 2010 Louis Walsh is mentoring the Over 28 category on the seventh series of The X Factor. Mary Byrne is his only remaining act.

Source: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2010/1204/1224284758887.html

Twopints1978 (talk) 16:49, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Actually, it already got past that, to the next episode. I did add a source on Byrne's elimination.  Qwyrxian (talk) 05:35, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Sex attack
I think it is worth mentioning that Walsh is currently being investigated by police over allegations that he sexually assaulted a 24-year-old man in a toilet at a nightclub in Dublin.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3653664/Louis-Walsh-probed-over-sex-attack-on-man-in-loo.html

I expect this inquiry will take several months to settle. (92.7.19.101 (talk) 11:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC))
 * Also http://uk.news.yahoo.com/x-factor-walsh-denies-sex-attack-074616564.html;_ylt=A7x9SQHfVwNO7SgAdwINfcl_;_ylu=X3oDMTM5cW0wMnBkBHBrZwNhZWZlYzA1Yi0yOWYzLTNkZDAtYjFlZC05ZDUyYzM3YjQ4ZDIEcG9zAzIEc2VjA01lZGlhVG9wU3RvcnkEdmVyAzJiODY5MDMwLTlkNmQtMTFlMC1iYWZiLTgxOT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.164.159 (talk) 15:16, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

 * The investigation has been dropped, a man is being charged with extortion and wasting police time, and Walsh is considering legal action against certain newspapers. See here.  I see no need for this in the article at the moment. -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 21:07, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Louis Walsh makes a beautiful woman
Nothing is mentioned of Louis Walsh's very open history of wearing female clothing in public. Here claims he was the bride of Simon Cowell for a photoshoot in 2006. And today he is seen here in absolutely stunning stiletto heels and dress, purse and earrings (complete with gorgeous legs) pretending to be Cheryl Cole (and with her full and complete consent). RTÉ is a public service broadcaster and the Irish Independent is a broadsheet daily newspaper. What is going on? Maybe this is only reported in Ireland?
 * Or maybe because fancy dress photo-shoots aren't really that important and indicative of nothing?? -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 20:36, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * But they are indicative of something. He has openly (and, importantly for wikipedia, verifiably ) practised cross-dressing (which wikipedia describes as "the wearing of clothing and other accoutrement commonly associated with a gender within a particular society that is seen as different than the one usually presented by the dresser.[1] Cross-dressing has been used for disguise, performance art and as a literary trope in modern times and throughout history"). Therefore can someone include him in Category:Cross-dressers for "notable people who self-identify as cross-dressers or are known to practice cross-dressing "? Why should wikipedia deny something he is perfectly open about and completely comfortable with? Especially since he looks so gorgeous (but that's beside the point). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.99.52 (talk) 23:20, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No, according to this website he only dressed up as Cheryl Cole for an end-of-year photoshoot for Heat magazine. Note the sentence that says "Those thinking that Walsh has embraced a new life of cross dressing however can think again".  Basically dressing up for a fancy dress party is not notable and not important so stays out.--5 albert square (talk) 23:36, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sergio Aguero openly and verifiably dressed up as Harry Potter. Does that mean we should be editing his article to discuss his involvement with witchcraft? He seems perfectly comfortable being in public dressed as a wizard, after all. -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 23:52, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Wizard-dressing does not exist. Category:Cross-dressing does. Also comparing cross-dressing to fictional fancy-dress sounds disrespectful to drag queens and transvestits everywhere, it sounds like they are being laughed at and having the fun poked out of them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.99.52 (talk) 23:56, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Isn't comparing fancy dress with transvestitism exactly what you're doing? -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 13:50, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Longest Standing Judge
There have been attempts to describe Walsh as "the longest standing judge on any TV series in the world", due to what is said here. There are two problems about this;

Firstly, it is obviously incorrect. See the Judge Judy article to read how it has featured a judge since 1996. Perhaps what is meant is that he is the longest standing judge on a TV talent show, but that's not what it says. So we shouldn't be second guessing it.

Secondly, and more importantly, the source does not say he is "the longest standing judge on any TV series in the world", it says he was "introduced as the longest standing judge on any TV series in the world". So the source itself is distancing itself from the claim. Probably because they also believe it to be dubious. Now the X-Factor (USA) may wish to claim this, but as a primary source its claims should be treated with caution. We need a secondary source to state it, and the Irish Independent is noticeably not stating it. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 16:21, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

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Request for Edit: Controversy: Mel B
In 2014, Louis Walsh was seen in an interview on the X Factor inappropriately touching the backside of another judge, Mel B. Mel B drew attention to the hand in the interview, to which Louis laughed and responded, "I'm looking out for you Mel."[1]

[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XrJ_04FZQI — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.56.86.2 (talk) 03:20, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

 * ❌ YouTube is not a reliable source and is actually on our list of links to avoid. Please also read our policy about how we edit the articles about living people and our policy on reliable sources.  Thanks.--5 albert square (talk) 04:43, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

 * Under normal circumstances I would agree, but the video is self-evident, and this is kind of a big thing to refuse to put in the article, it speaks a lot about his character as a public figure, and I'm suspicious of the dedication there seems to be over removing it. Also, this may speak more to the nature of the 2011 accusation. Perhaps it's not as false as we might have wanted to believe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.220.126.24 (talk) 06:14, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

 * Include in article -- It is a staggering display of harrassment and should definitely be included in the article, regardless of it being Youtube. It is there, it is evident, it should be mentioned. Trigaranus (talk) 09:12, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

 * We're not holding a debate on including it and it's ❌ for the same reasons above. Find a reliable source stating the same information and then it can be considered for inclusion.--5 albert square (talk) 13:42, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

First 40 years?
Waslsh was born in 1952, and began his music career "in the 1990s", by which time he was in his 40s. Is their no information about more than half his life? Rustygecko (talk) 03:33, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

This provides I for on early career

https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/louis-walsh-5560.php Rustygecko (talk) 03:36, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Final thirteen band. From Ireland
Final thirteen band 86.149.188.22 (talk) 11:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

@darren burns music 86.149.188.22 (talk) 11:31, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Final thirteen band
irish band singer/songwriting fantastic trio from Ireland 86.149.188.22 (talk) 11:34, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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