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Camp Rising Sun (New York)

Camp Rising Sun is an international, full-scholarship, leadership summer program for students aged 14–16 by the Louis August Jonas Foundation (LAJF), a non-profit organization. Its seven-week program was operated from a boys' facility in Red Hook, New York, and a separate girls' facility in Clinton, New York, about 90 mi north of New York City in the Hudson River Valley. Participants come from all over the world and are chosen by merit. Instead of being asked to pay for tuition, campers are requested to pass along the benefits they gained to someone else.

There are alumni organizations in numerous countries with more than 5,000 alumni around the world. Among the Camp Rising Sun alumni are a United Nations Under-Secretary General; a president of Harvard University; a winner of the Intel Science Talent Search; a Foreign Minister of South Korea; two former Israeli ambassadors; an Under Secretary of State in the Carter administration; and folk singer Pete Seeger.

In 1996, a group of Danish and other European alumni founded Camp Rising Sun Europe for young women. Organized and maintained by the George E. Jonas Foundation and the Camp Rising Sun Alumni Association of Denmark, the program was located in Stendis, Region Midtjylland, Denmark.

Background
Located on 176 acre in Upstate New York, including land once owned by the Livingston family, Camp Rising Sun (CRS) is one of the longest continuously running summer programs in the United States. It was founded just after the stock market crash in 1929 by philanthropist George E. Jonas with the mission to "develop in promising young people from diverse backgrounds a lifelong commitment to sensitive and responsible leadership for the betterment of their communities and world."

Jonas grew up in privilege and wealth but was troubled about the advantages he had in comparison with others. He reasoned that hope rested in the youth, and he began to consider what might encourage, stimulate and motivate them. He got the idea to start a camp, one that "is interested not merely in the boy, but in the man the boy will become." He set up a foundation, naming it after his father; the foundation runs the camp. For decades, Jonas personally interviewed many prospective campers, and he was called by his nickname, "Freddie."

After World War II, the program was expanded to include international youth. In 1947, the first two African American boys were invited to attend. In 1989, a girls' program was established. Jonas remained closely associated with the program until his death in 1978.

Goals
The Louis August Jonas Foundation's mission is to "develop in promising young people from diverse backgrounds a lifelong commitment to sensitive and responsible leadership for the betterment of their communities and world." Each camper gets the chance to be camp leader for one day. Prior to the 2018 Boys’ Session, the camper in charge for that day was called the sachem, a word that refers to an Algonquian chief. However, in 2018, the campers decided that this word was unjustly stolen from Native American culture. Thus, they ended the use of the word. As of 2018, the camper(s) in charge for the day are called “Leader(s) of the Day”. Feedback, both from the staff and peers, is given.

The goal of the program is for participants to integrate what they learn at Camp Rising Sun into their lives and pass it along to others. After the two months, Jonas said, "We ask that the boys return to life, some day and in some way, the good they have received from it. So, we do ask a price, and its a rather high one."

International community
The roughly 60 participants each year are students from more than 30 countries who are invited to attend the camp. Most come for just one summer, but each season includes a handful of students who are invited back for a second summer. Campers from outside the United States had an opportunity to stay with an American family or with US campers or alumni as part of a hosting program before the camp season started.

The selection of participants is based on a candidate's potential leadership ability, intellect, character, and individuality. Camp alumni are generally responsible for selecting new campers from their countries, but in some cases, government officials, such as the Minister of Education or an ambassador, do the selecting.

After two months of exposure to many other nationalities, one camper after her summer at CRS stated, "It's not just Iran anymore. It's my friend, Sepideh, who lives in Iran," referring to her international issue.

Camp Rising Sun's reputation was built on the conviction that there is much to be learned through experience and interaction with those from other cultures and nations. Campers carry out landscaping projects to improve the camp, such as building a Finnish sauna or a Japanese rock garden.

Camp activities
Jonas said, "Schools give you technical training, but they don't necessarily teach you how to think" and he set up his camp to supply that need. Campers work together in peer-led teams to take care of the daily maintenance needs of the camp. Counselors are required to be skilled in a variety of disciplines, from lifesaving to Japanese wrestling to filmmaking. There is instruction by staff, visiting alumni, guests, or other students on subjects like international affairs, microscopes, filmmaking, creative writing, and landscaping. Three weekly newspapers written by the campers document the progress of the camp.

There are evening artistic and intellectual programs, most often planned and executed by campers. At the end of July, there is a dramatic or musical production, involving the entire camp community. Each Saturday evening, there is a large campfire, at which campers discuss their different countries and cultures about global issues, prejudice and hate and hear presentations, sometimes by outside lecturers.

There is also time available each day for campers to pursue their own activity. Campers are encouraged to keep a journal and prepare other written material that is kept on file and sent to the camper at his or her twenty-first birthday.

A camper's journal from 2006 states,

"After waking up at 8 a.m., I had breakfast, attended morning assembly, and worked in the kitchen during teamwork time. For project time, a few campers and I mapped out a plan for a garden that we hoped to plant on cabin hill. After lunch and rest hour, I went to an instruction called "Words Words Words" where a counselor Amy (Utah) and about seven campers practiced creative writing and poetry.

During free time I went swimming with a bunch of other campers. It was Hester's (Netherlands) birthday, so dinner became a celebration. I received five letters, and since it's camp tradition, I had to sing to receive them. For the evening program we did Scottish dancing. It was a fun-filled day! After tent check at 10 p.m., I stayed awake and talked with Sepideh (Iran), Anissa (New York), Su Bin (Korea) and Annalisa (Utah), the hiking counselor."

Finances
Because of the worldwide financial crisis that began in 2007, there was no camp program held in 2009 in the United States and the European program was cancelled for 2010. Since then, the two campuses in upstate New York have resumed summer programs.

On September 10, 2014, the LAJF Board outlined its need for a $10 million predicted increase in its endowment in order to meet current and future needs. The LAJF Board made available on the website a presentation from a summit in September 2014, which provided additional details.

On October 3, 2014, it was announced that, as part of its “New Dawn for Rising Sun” program, the board had unanimously voted to put up for sale both the Red Hook and Clinton campuses, and to begin the process of securing a new site for an undisclosed new program(s) in order to improve the fiscal health of the organization. In addition to the sale of the two campuses, the LAJF Board announced that the 2015 camp season would consist of two 4-week sessions each for the boys and girls, both of which were to take place at the Clinton campus. The LAJF Board also announced a new $4 million fundraising campaign.

This change in direction from the LAJF Board of Directors led some alumni to voice their concerns. Some alumni organized a group and began a petition, supported by over 400 alumni, seeking to have the current Board reconsider its planned actions and admit that alumni were not given ample opportunity to weigh in on this decision.

On October 20, 2014, the LAJF Board announced that the sale of the Red Hook campus was to be postponed for six months and that they would seek to be better engaged with CRS alumni, including providing for electronic Town Hall meetings and other increased communications on its New Dawn plan.

In mid-2015, after extensive meetings by the Board's Strategic Planning, Building & Grounds and Finance Committees, the LAJF Board agreed to consider the reopening of the Red Hook campus provided certain funds were raised by the alumni, $550,000 of which was needed to be raised by early September, to gain a "formal" commitment to do so. In record time, over 300 individual contributors responded to this call, and the Board declared the first hurdle for reopening Red Hook a success. Subsequent to this successful fundraiser, LAJF commissioned a survey of the Red Hook sewer system, which concluded that needed septic system repairs would far exceed the $550,000 raised by the alumni. Since 2015, Camp Rising Sun has run their summer program from the Clinton campus, alternating Boys and Girls sessions. Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, the camp went virtual for 2020 and 2021.

CRS alumni
The LAJF Web site has a College Roster that connects young alumni with older alumni. Many alumni later spoke of their experiences at CRS, such as when writing their college essays. LAJF also supports a college scholarship program. The Rising Sun experience is measured in weeks.

Alumni organizations for CRS alumni have been created internationally.

Notable alumni

 * Clifford Alexander, Jr., 1947, former foreign affairs officer on the National Security Council and the first African American U.S. Secretary of the Army
 * Darren Aronofsky, filmmaker
 * Eli Attie, writer, television producer, former aide/speechwriter for Al Gore and Bill Clinton
 * Norberto Barba, filmmaker
 * David Botstein, biologist and recipient of the Albany Medical Center Prize and the Breakthrough Prize in Life Sciences
 * Francis F. Chen, 1944, plasma physicist, pioneer of ultra-cold physics
 * Samuel R. Delany, 1957, author, professor, literary critic, member of the Science Fiction and Fantasy Hall of Fame
 * Dick Dolman, 1951, former president, Dutch parliament
 * Sandi Simcha Dubowski, 1985 and 1986, filmmaker
 * Richard Gibbs, 1959, doctor, co-founder of the San Francisco free clinic, dancer with Hamburg Ballet and the Royal Winnipeg Ballet
 * Greg Giraldo, comedian
 * Naomi Gleit, Vice President of Product Management for Social Good at Facebook
 * Ulric Haynes, 1947, former U.S. ambassador to Algeria
 * Juliane Henningsen, 2001, Greenlandic politician
 * Anselm Hollo, 1950, Finnish writer
 * Robin Janvrin, Baron Janvrin, 1962, private secretary to the Queen of the United Kingdom
 * Robert Jastrow, chief of theoretical division of NASA; founder, Goddard Institute for Space Studies; author
 * Ji Chaozhu, 1944, former Chinese ambassador to Britain, former Under-Secretary-General of the United Nations, author
 * Ashok Kamte, Mumbai police commissioner killed in the November 2008 Mumbai terror attacks
 * Kai Lee, program officer of science for the Conservation and Science Program of the Packard Foundation
 * Sidney Lumet, filmmaker
 * Michael Lunn, 1960, former Danish Minister of Justice, former Minister of Climate and Energy
 * Joshua Muravchik, 1962, scholar, American Enterprise Institute; public policy analyst
 * Matthew Nimetz, American diplomat and Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs during the Jimmy Carter Administration
 * Frank Ochberg, psychiatrist, expert in post-traumatic stress disorder
 * Jeff Orlowski, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2006, documentary filmmaker
 * Michael Pressman, 1964, television director and producer
 * Itamar Rabinovich, 1959, former Israeli Ambassador to the United States; President of Tel Aviv University
 * Neil Leon Rudenstine, president emeritus, Harvard University
 * Pete Seeger, folk singer, songwriter
 * Raymond Wagner, 1937, 1939, film producer, former head of television pilot development Universal Studios, former VP of Production MGM, former head of television commercials Young & Rubicam, New York and Hollywood
 * James Yannatos, 1943, conductor, San Antonio Symphony; professor of music, Harvard University
 * Michelle Ye, 1995, actress
 * Zvi Zeitlin, 1935, concert violinist; Distinguished Professor of Music, Eastman School of Music, University of Rochester

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'Verse
From the article: "In the Firefly universe (or, as they call it, "The 'Verse") ..." Who are "they"? Haakon 17:26, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The people who live in the 'verse, of course. :-)

 * Actually, this is a good question, pointing out a fine distinction that should be made in the article. Just as Browncoat has different meanings inside and outside the show, 'verse does as well. Within the show, it's merely slang for "universe", often used as a colloquialism for "known space". Outside the show, it refers to the fictional world of Firefly and Serenity, the main SF branch of the Whedonverse. With this distinction, the line quoted from the article above is confounding the two uses, and should be changed. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:52, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Origins as a fan term
This seems like as good a place as any, so I may as well ask... does anybody know who coined the term 'Browncoat' as a term for Firefly fans? I think doing some digging and addressing that might be good for the article. Maybe it's just me, but the quote from Joss Whedon almost implies that he came up with it, y'know? Not that it's a bad quote or anything, but I think this is an issue at least worth asking questions about.--MythicFox 19:22, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

 * it was actually started by the fans-- am digging up sources now -- plange 02:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Oh, take your time. I figure it was started by the fans.  What I mean is that I'm curious as to where the term originated, whether it was a particular message board or what.--MythicFox 11:33, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Got it added same night, sorry, forgot to update here ;-) plange 13:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Clarification
Hi JeffG! I just saw you reverted an article I worked on last night and have to say I was surprised you labeled it as "fannish" -- I was actually trying to change the tone to not be fannish so we could get that "tone" tag off. Wasn't sure why you said the headings were more in keeping with MOS? I'm new, so if you could point me to the place in it that I violated that would be great. I'm learning :-)

Also, I was actually trying to make the headlines more clear that there were two connotations, per the last line of the opening graph and wanted to also clarify with this opening of the first heading section "The initial connotation of the term 'Browncoats' described characters in the Firefly universe. It was slang used within the show for the Independent Faction" -- thought this more accurately described them since this "In the Firefly universe, Browncoats were soldiers who fought for the Independents" makes it sound like it was a subgroup of the Independent faction instead of a slang term for the Independents and I wanted to also clarify that it was slang used within the show, not slang used by people who watched it. What do you think? -- plange 13:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Uncapping the headings (which I just did) is in-line with Manual of Style (headings). As a rule of thumb, if it isn't the first word and it isn't a proper noun, it shouldn't be capitalized. EVula 15:00, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! What about the headings I'd changed to initially? (Besides the uncapping?) -- plange 17:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Sorry I wasn't clearer about my meaning. For the headings, I re-read the intro sentence:
 * It has two connotations, one within the original show, and one among the show's fans.
 * I felt the new headings, "original meaning" and "second meaning", and the use of the verbiage
 * The initial connotation of the term 'Browncoats' described characters in the Firefly universe. It was slang used within the show…
 * rather than the more concise
 * In the Firefly universe, Browncoats were soldiers who fought…
 * to be needlessly repetitive. The intro, after all, is only 2 sentences and immediately preceded the paragraph in question. The reader would expect the first heading would refer to the within-the-show connontation and the second the fan connotation, so "fictional meaning" and "fan term" would provide a little variety in vocabulary while confirming the expectation. The opening phrase "within the Firefly universe" firmly and concisely establishes, per Wikipedia guidelines on fictional topics, that we are talking about fiction, thus avoiding the fannish aspect without overburdening a statement about the story. (Uh-oh — I'm beginning to channel my high-school English teachers. ☺) None of these elements are part of WP:MOS, as far as I know — just the heading case fixes. But edit summaries are brief and I was in a hurry. My bad. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:07, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Cool, okay, how about this:
 * In the Firefly universe, Browncoats is slang for the Independent Faction -- plange 21:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Might I suggest a variation?
 * In the Firefly universe, "Browncoat" is the slang term for a member of the Independent Faction, which lost to the Alliance in the Unification War.
 * It blends your sentence into the current text and avoids the correct but somewhat jarring use of the phrase "'Browncoats' is". It also properly quotes a term, like the second section does (and the intro should), and bolds it as an initial use of the article title in a particular connotation. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 00:01, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * sounds good to me, thanks! (was going to add the quotes, bolding, internal links and rest of sentence of course, was just working on wording)... plange

Flag
ok i have one question, i've seen all the firefly episodes, and i never once saw the independance flag. so how do we know that that is the actual flag besides it's here. i just got kinda confused about that if you can clear it up for me i'd be thankful

peace-Three ways round 23:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

 * The same. I don't dispute the PD-self of the image; but what legitimacy within the 'verse do we have?  —   pd_THOR  undefined | 16:26, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

i did a quick image serch on google typeing in quite a few firefly related subjects and flag and couldn't come up with anything remotely simalar to that. let me know if we can find out who put it there and where they found it.

peace-Three ways round 22:44, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

If it's any help, I've seen the flag used and posted on several firefly related pages. 71.255.81.144 03:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

could you tell us at least one of the sites' addresses. We need to have proof to be allowed to keep the flag up, and one of those websites could be used as a source/refrence. and we could use it pretty soon because the flag was nominated for deletion.

thanx

peace- Three ways round 15:32, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It was nominated for deletion (discussion), but there's no reasonable rationale for it to be deleted; at most, it should be removed from the two mainspace articles it is used in. EVula // talk // ☯  // 15:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

i agree comepletely. I'm gonna go look to see if i can find some of these websites the person above was talking about. Also like i said in the discussion you mentioned above maybe changeing the caption to someting more talking about the 'Browncoat fans', and less about the TV Browncoats might help please some more people.

peace- Three ways  round  17:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey i did a google image search for Browncoats and came up with a few hits. Only theres a catch it's a triangle, not a rectangle like the one on the page. if you Google image search ' Browncoats Triangle ' you can get a good look at a patch of it. Also Normal google searching ' Browncoats Triangle ' i found a bunch of 'official' T-Shirts and other paraphineilia with the flag (again in a triangle) on it. So i'm thinking that my idea above, about changing the caption to "the official Flag of the Browncoat Fan nation" Will probibly have more weight now. Any thoughts??

peace- Three ways  round  19:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The triangular flag can be seen on Mal's arm in Serenity (the pilot). Another note is that the star in the logo should have the point facing upwards. So basically the triangle is facing downwards and the star is facing upwards. Skysong 16:37, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

"Flan" quote
The version on the Browncoat page conflicts markedly with the one on Wikiquote. A Google search turns up no support for the version on this page, and only three hits outside of Wikiquote itself for the construction on that site. With that little support, I'm loath to change either of the quotes, but obviously one (or both!) is wrong. Anybody know which? ShaleZero 07:04, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Origin of fan term: As far as I can tell, it was me
I've added a link to the old official Firefly board where I and poster Mother Magi first suggested the term "Brown Coats" be used for fans on October 4, 2002, predating the other cited links in this article, and predating other posts on the official board. Believe me, as my one super-lame-claim-to-fame, I have dug through that board looking for any earlier post making this suggestion, but I have yet to find one. Kelly began using the term after I had, but I don't think her old blog posts are archived to confirm it. If you do find a post predating mine please correct this page -- and also please inform me. I wouldn't want to go on living a lie, if lie it be. --Boradis 19:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Done the Impossible
Was thinking we should do a section here on this DVD, what do you think? --plange 01:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Per the deletion discussion
My support was conditioned on the removal of all conventions and other fancruft, which was agreed to by other reviewers of the article. I'm going to remove it now, though I'm sure it will be back. But if it doesn't stay gone, I'll be happy to nominate this page for deletion again. --Boradis 01:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Ok, it's now all gone -- the list of fan events and the linkspam to fan sites -- all of which was in clear violation of WP:NOT. Please do not replace it. -- Boradis 01:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Browncoat Wikia
User Hiding has added back in an external link to Wikia, stating that it was allowable under WP:EL. Checking that site, I see that it violates several of the "Links Normally to be Avoided", specifically the following:

4) Links mainly intended to promote a website.

11) Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace), discussion forums/groups (such as Yahoo! Groups) or USENET.

13) Links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors. No. 11 is particularly pertinent, because this Browncoat Wiki states clearly that it is intended as a social networking hub for fans of the show. The following is taken from the site's front page: This wiki is a collaborative, living archive of Browncoat culture (fans of the sci-fi series Firefly and the movie Serenity), including activities, regional Browncoat organizations, charity events, conventions, meetups, projects, etc.

Therefore, I am removing the link. --Boradis 10:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you are wrong in your application of the guidance, but I think it is not worth edit warring over. I prefer to take the whole of WP:EL into consideration, and on balance I think the one link is justified as per the one exception right at the top of the links to avoid section that was created for these circumstances: Except for a link to a page that is the subject of the article or an official page of the article subject—and not prohibited by restrictions on linking—one should avoid. I'll let other people chip in and respect what ever consensus develops. Hiding T 23:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've added a dmoz link per WP:EL, a long standing practise which has been guided at WP:EL as long as the page has existed. Hiding T 09:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Forum links
Forums are not considered reliable sources. They were being used to verify the following claims:

 * 1)The nickname for fans of the Firefly series was floated initially on the Official Firefly Forum on 4th October 2002
 * 2)The nickname spread to other fansites from the forum
 * 3)The nickname was adopted by Joss Whedon

I have removed this information until appropriate sources can be found. Guest9999 02:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)]]

 * Very well. As there are no reliable sources that explain this, the information dies now. If this is a shot at me, so be it. --Boradis 08:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

 * External links does not apply in this case, as the page itself makes quite clear. Guidelines for sourcing, which includes external links used as citations, are discussed at Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Citing sources. Hiding T 09:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

 * From WP:V: "Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy" - forums do not have such a reputation. Essentially I could say my personal website was the source of the term and then link to a post reputedly from 2001. Forum are not usually considered reliable sources and I do not see why they should be in this case. Guest9999 17:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)]]
 * Sorry, can we be clear here. Are you suggesting the sources do not verify the information that is in the article?  The article already relies upon very reliable sources for the existence of the term, thus meeting the section of WP:V you quote. The section that is relevant here is "Self-published and questionable sources in articles about themselves".  You are misunderstanding the broad thrust of Wikipedia:Verifiability, which is that a source's reliability is to be judged in context to the claim that is sourced from it. We don't source facts about people from forums, we don't source scientific studies from forums, but we do source the contents of a post to a forum to that post.  That is what is being sourced here, the contents of the post.  There are a number of articles on Wikipedia which do this.  The most important part of Wikipedia:Verifiability is that exceptional claims require exceptional sources.  It is not an exceptional claim that the idea for the name of a group of fans who met on the internet would be suggested on an internet forum, so it doesn't need to be sourced to a site of exceptional reliability.  I hope that clarifies for you. Hiding T 18:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I generally agree, however in this case I do not think that logic applies. I will go through the claims individually.

 * 1)The nickname for fans of the Firefly series was floated initially on the Official Firefly Forum on 4th October 2002
 * The forum page shows that there was indeed a discussion about the name on the 4th October however it does not give any kind of verifiable evidence that this was the origin of the term.

 * 2)The nickname spread to other fansites from the forum
 * This isn't really content either and only one example doesn't show spread to multiple fansites.

 * 3)The nickname was adopted by Joss Whedon
 * This is not in the content of the forum, this is a claim made by the forum - which as you said should not be included.

 * All the sources really show is that the term was discussed (not even first discussed) on a Firefly forum in October 2002. This information doesn't seem particularly important. Guest9999 20:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)]]

 * See, now you're basing your argument on the right part of policy in the right way. Hiding T 21:03, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I may be missing something here, but I learned about the term "browncoat" from seeing the Firefly series. It is being mentioned as a group denomination by actors on screen IN the series itself. Which, by the way, is also clearly noted in the firefly wiki. http://www.fireflywiki.org/ All this dubbing on linking to forums is not even necessary, 195.64.95.116 (talk) 10:46, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Just so you know, in 2002 I was a poster on the official boards for the show, and there was a discussion about what fans should be called. I suggested that we be called whatever Mal's side was called during the war, and the next poster said that they were the "brown coats." There were maybe a couple of subsequent posts that approved of the idea, but shortly thereafter the show's blogger Kelly started calling fans that. I have looked through the boards and have found no earlier post suggesting that fans be called browncoats. In my early days on Wikipedia I posted the above information with links to the board. But neither that posting nor I qualify as reliable sources, so I think it's rightfully been taken down. I felt bad at first, but I've gotten over it. If you want to see the board post though, there's a link on my user page. --Boradis (talk) 01:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Is this article notable?
Is this fan group really notable? Besides the protest to FOX, I can see nothing that would make it seem notable. Wouldn't this be better merged into Firefly (TV series)? Captain  panda  04:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * We just went over that and the answer was yes. There's a lot of rationale about this in the discussion. The reason you're not seeing much is that, apparently, it was felt that the accomplishments of the group were presented in the wrong way and the article is a sixth of its former size. No doubt it should be expanded again. --Kiz o r  12:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

It's not at all obvious that this supposed group has had sufficient coverage in reliable sources to merit a standalone article. Skomorokh  06:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

 * They (okay, we) are much more active and evident at science fiction conventions and the like than fans of many purportedly science-fictional shows which lasted far longer; and their role in the creation of the film Serenity is I believe unique, given the traditional Hollywood disdain for fans in general. Whedon's friendly attitude towards browncoats is by no means unique (the producers of Beauty and the Beast, for example, cherished and cultivated their "Helpers"); but the whole fan phenomenon chronicled in Done the Impossible and elsewhere is sui generis (at least, since the original "Save Star Trek" movement). -- Orange Mike  |   Talk  15:36, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Merge with Serenity (film)?
There is very little information on this page. Maybe it would be more appropriate as a sub section of the Serenity film seeing as that seems to be the only claim to notability the term has. 110.32.1.105 (talk) 14:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The Browncoats existed long before the film; indeed, it is only because of them that the film came into existence. Even if you accepted an argument that the movement is non-notable, the film article would be grossly inappropriate as a place into which the information would be merged. -- Orange Mike  |   Talk  15:23, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

 * It doesn't seem optimal to have an article here that has less prose than Firefly_(TV_series). I wonder if, given all the different instantiations of the Firefly universe (TV show, film, comics, RPG), there might be a scope for a Firefly franchise or Firefly (series) article (see The Matrix (series)) which could neatly incorporate a comprehensive section on the fandom? Skomorokh  15:32, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Article scope
This article can't tell if it's about the Browncoat faction in the fictional universe or Firefly fandom. I would submit that the latter is much more notable and thus a more appropriate subject for the article. It's appropriate to mention the in-universe Browncoats were the inspiration for the fan epithet, but otherwise, Trekkie should be our model here. --BDD (talk) 23:56, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but disagree. Trekkie was a term developed outside of the series, Browncoast developed within it and was adopted by the fans -  as explained in th article.  The scope, therefore, needs to cover the whole related use of the term as explained simply and neatly in the opening paragraph.  Dividing it serves no purpose, other than to weaken it and undermine the arguments used to retain it at afd. DiverScout (talk) 05:48, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

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Food 911 is a 30-minute-long show hosted by Tyler Florence that has aired on the Food Network since 1999.

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Talk:San Luis Valley

"Alpine"?
The San Luis Valley is not alpine. To quote the WP entry: "Alpine climate is the average weather (climate) for a region above the tree line." The San Luis Valley is not above tree-line, it is in fact *below* the elevations in that area that support trees. Paalexan (talk) 10:04, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

 * I agree, this should be changed. --Calibas (talk) 20:05, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

 * This language originated with my first edit creating the article. My impression was that alpine was a synonym for mountain rather than referring to climate. Mountain valley would serve. Fred Talk 18:31, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Googling results in a lot of hits for a town, and other mentions of "Alpine Valley Liquors", etc., but the intended meaning of mountain valley is in use as you can see here, a book about a valley in the Italian Alps, definitely not above timber line. Fred Talk 18:44, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

"Kids' Guide" section
Below is more or less a copy of what I just put on User talk:Anrahyah:

Hi Anrahyah. Welcome to Wikipedia. I hope you enjoy participating in our community. With that said, I am afraid I have to offer some advice that will unavoidably be negative. I happen to be an educator myself, so I see that appeal of using Wikipedia as a teaching tool. We have even had in-service presentations to that effect. However I must caution you about using Wikipedia in exactly the manner you and your students are now doing. Wikipedia is first and foremost an encyclopedia which aspires to the highest standards. Hence content contributed "by kids and for kids" is not usually appropriate, and will be edited severely, and most likely deleted entirely. (The problem is not specifically that it is by kids: it is that, so far, it is almost completely non-encyclopedic content. See What Wikipedia is not, for example. Also, even content that is appropriate will be drastically edited, perhaps out of all recognition.)

This editing/deletion may come very quickly, without warning, and without much regard for the feelings of the kids; an editor may simply see it as inappropriate content and revert the edits. As the warning at the bottom of the editing page says, "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly...do not submit it." I'm not sure what expectations your students have about their contributions lasting on the page, but if they expect them to last more than a few days---perhaps hours---they will be very disappointed.

There may be other user-editable ("wiki-type") sites that are more geared for kids' contributions, and that would be more appropriate for this kind of project. (In fact I might be able to ask my own Educational Technology coordinator about this if you like.) But Wikipedia is not the place for these contributions, I'm sorry to say. If you have questions or concerns, you can respond here, on your talk page, or at my talk page. Reading the help pages is also a great idea.

For other editors: I suggest that "be bold" be put on hold for just a short time in this case. It would be good to have a brief dialogue on this page with Anrahyah and the students about what is or is not appropriate for Wikipedia and what other places might want these contributions, before summarily reverting the edits. Others may disagree, but I feel that that would be most respectful of the attempt to contribute. -- Spireguy 22:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, since Anrahyah and class obviously haven't looked at this talk page, it's time to revert their contributions. To Anrahyah and to the students: you might want to look for a more education-oriented wiki site, such as PBWiki, to use for this purpose. Thanks for your contributions, but as I noted above, they aren't appropriate for Wikipedia. -- Spireguy 17:31, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Another note: if anyone wants to reinstate some of the content (a little bit of which could be made into encyclopedic additions) feel free to add it back in if it is verifiable. -- Spireguy 17:35, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Spireguy, What a shock my students had today to find that you had deleted their contributions. We had been traveling this month, on a river run of the Rio Grande, and on the Alamosa based Rio Grande Scenic Railway as continuing parts of our SLV study. I am sorry you found the postings objectionable, and I regret that I did not visit here before the children's work was deleted. My students have learned a harsh lesson, as have I.Anrahyah 20:23, 24 May 2007 (UTC)Anrahyah

 * Sorry that you did not see my notes before I deleted the material. I waited as long as I felt was reasonable. As I said above, I encourage you either to find a more kid-appropriate site in which to participate, or to learn more about the purposes and methods of Wikipedia. It's unfortunate that the deletion of the material appeared harsh, but it needed to go. (Note: if you want to recover the material you contributed for inclusion on another site, just go to the history tab and use an earlier version of the page.) -- Spireguy 16:58, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Kids are welcome, but not in a "kids' section". Fred Bauder 12:58, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

What? No Snippy?
www.snippy.com
 * A section on ideas of this nature is difficult due to Fringe theories as it is one person, and their enablers, that promote this view of the Valley. User:Fred Bauder Talk 08:36, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * "...are [there] enough sources available to write a neutral biography that neither unduly promotes nor denigrates the subject." User:Fred Bauder Talk 13:46, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

A few changes
I have removed a few unsourced or poorly sourced assertions from the article. Please find a reliable source before reinserting them. Identification of the correct San Luis and when the valley was actually named would be welcome. Fred Bauder 17:16, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Iglesia de San Luis de los Franceses (Sevilla) is a possible origin of the name. In that case Saint Louis of France would be the saint. User:Fred Bauder Talk 00:06, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I believe there is useful name information in https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Story_of_San_Luis_Valley.html?id=JQG8nQEACAAJ User:Fred Bauder Talk 16:09, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * There are a couple of copies available on ABE for $15 or $20 - a bit rich for me. Carptrash (talk) 16:20, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I bought the one that was in near fine condition. I can unload it on the Crestone library later. I hope it contains other useful information, but published in 1929, there may be problems. User:Fred Bauder Talk 08:33, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Good for you. I look forward to your coming up with something interesting.  Don't let the date scare you, the author should have some long forgotten stories to tell.  You've caused me to dig out San Luis Valley Rock Art to see if there is something usable in it. Carptrash (talk) 16:13, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

It is pretty clear that Louis IX of France is the saint. The church in San Luis keeps his day. Still no great source and questions remain. For example, the valley could have been originally named by the French. When did San Luis first show up in any document or map? At any rate "San Louie" is not the barbarism it seems to be. User:Fred Bauder Talk 15:28, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * https://www.loc.gov/maps/?q=new+mexico shows many maps which illustrate the gradual and imperfect acquisition of knowledge of the geography of the Valley. It was only after the Mexican War that depictions of San Luis Valley geography becomes somewhat accurate. User:Fred Bauder Talk 17:07, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Ebert, Frederick J, William Gilpin, Jacob Monk, and T. Sinclair'S Lith. Map of Colorado Territory embracing the Central Gold Region. Philadelphia: Jacob Monk, 1862. Map. Retrieved from the Library of Congress, https://www.loc.gov/item/2003630493/. (Accessed December 17, 2017.)

SLV Dweller external link
I'll expand on my reasons for my deletion of the link to SLV Dweller, which was recently undone. Editors may want to see the lengthy and informative, but somewhat technical reply the anon IP user left on my talk page. The short version is that Wikipedia should allow external links to web pages even if they are not viewable by Internet Explorer. Now, I am not a big fan of IE, even though I use it for work reasons, but since it does have a large share of the market, not being viewable by IE is still a big strike against a site. See Wikipedia's guideline on external links: Links normally to be avoided, #7, which is very clear: "Sites that are inaccessible to a substantial number of users" should be avoided.

In addition, it is important to note that the burden is on the editor introducing the link to make clear why it is necessary; see WP:EL "this page in a nutshell", which says "they [links] should be kept to a minimum of those that are meritable, accessible and appropriate to the article." When evaluating an external link, I want to look at it and make sure that it satisfies these criteria. If I can't even follow the link because my browser is incompatible, then I cannot verify the criteria (except to note that it is certainly not "accessible"), and if someone else hasn't, then I need to delete the link. You might also want to see WP:What Wikipedia is not; this makes clear that many links that people might think are appropriate are in fact not, given Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.

It's also clear given the response on my talk page that the link was re-introduced by one of the authors/maintainers of the SLV Dweller site. That's not horrible, but it is conflict of interest to some extent: see Wikipedia's guideline on conflicts of interest, which says to avoid "linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles". Given the conflict of interest, it's especially important for other editors to be able to follow the link and verify that it is appropriate and necessary. Again, that was impossible for me to do.

In sum, there were multiple reasons to delete the link, but the first one was sufficient and still is. I won't kill it again right away since I hate multiple reverts and prefer dialogue. I also welcome comments by other editors. If the anon IP user wishes to comment again, I suggest doing so on this talk page, and I also suggest getting a Wikipedia account, since that makes dialogue easier and encourages other editors to respond constructively. -- Spireguy 02:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it is better to have it. It's mostly local news. If a particular browser can't use it, which I doubt, no real harm done. Fred Bauder 07:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Fred, I think that perhaps you did not read the posting on my talk page, which makes it clear that the page does not in fact work with Internet Explorer. Instead the link returns a page saying "SLV Dweller is still here, but you need a better browser." (Not exactly the most polite way to address the issue, I would say.) However I gather that you do not agree with the Wikipedia guideline I quoted above about accessibility, so I assume that your opinion would still be that the link is appropriate. I disagree, but I won't press the issue unless others venture their opinions. -- Spireguy 19:10, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

 * No, not polite, but objective evaluations of Microsoft products seldom are. The advice is sound, "Get a better browser". Fred Talk 18:33, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

pronunciation doubtful
The pronunciation, san loo-WEE, seems odd, and is especially doubtful since even the "Valley" part was wrong. Can someone verify? kwami 08:17, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The Valley is named after St. Louis, King of France. That is generally forgotten, but not in San Luis, Colorado where his saint's day is celebrated. So "san loo-WEE" is both wrong and right. However, what ever the correct Spanish pronunciation of Luis is,, would be most correct. Fred Talk 21:25, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Loose ends
This article looks good, but maybe we should revert to some of the earlier information and note that it needs sourcing? The historical implications of penitentes, Tierra Amarilla, and 1848 are certainly worth checking out and having proper sources. Personally, I think the SLV cavedweller website is great - from my last read of what makes an external link undesirable is that it is only accessible via one browser - not only inaccessible via one. For the pronunciation, the San Luis part is Spanish, Valley is English and the common pronunciation is, depending on the accent, an anglecized version of the Spanish, with an English valley. I am not a linguist, but I can say that the s is soft, but it is there. How to source that? Diastar (talk) 00:59, 21 July 2008 (UTC)diastar

Wikipedia:How to create and manage a good lead section
Needs a decent lede. How to create and manage a good lead section. And reorganization; the geography details and geology need to to be both moved and de-emphasized. User:Fred Bauder Talk 13:37, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Old maps

 * Commons:File:Slv1862.jpg Section of 1862 map. Shows early Conejos settlements and some French place names. User:Fred Bauder Talk 11:08, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Sandhills Global

Disputed
I dispute the contention that this is "the most visited site on the internet today". An Alexa rank of 77,744 shows that this is patently untrue. --GraemeL (talk) 17:31, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Notability
I'm not clear how this poorly sourced article survived an afd the first time around. It has been edited by a number of conflict of interest editors. I can find no independent sources that discuss it at all, let alone in depth, apart from their construction of a new IT building. Unless sources can be found I think it should go back to WP:AFD Theroadislong (talk) 18:25, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

COI tag
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Talk:Le Magnifique

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This article needs to be rewritten more formally, its English needs formatting and correction. It also needs a neutral POV. I'm not familiar with French or this movie, so I'm not the best person to do it Bwithh 17:32, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aktive Studenters Forening

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3 talk 11:26, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Aktive_Studenters_Forening
This is a page, not in English, about a student organisation at the University of Bergen. The organisation has no historical significance and I don't think it belongs in an encyclopedia. In short the article gives brief introduction to the organisation heritage (nothing notable, besides being the second oldest organisation at UiB), what their primary function has been and what it is and finally a list of current and previous leaders. The article was marked for translation more than 14 days ago and nothing has been translated yet so I'm marking this article for deletion. Michaelll 17:32, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Transfer from Pages needing translation into English:
 * Swedish? Finnish? Danish?  CDC   (talk)  22:42, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Norvegian, probably. It's a student organization at the University of Bergen.  The style of the article is a bit suspicious, it sounds like it could be a copyvio. —Ilmari Karonen 23:53, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It is Norwegian and it is a student organisation at the University of Bergen. I'm a student there :). The page doesn't contain anything that should be in an encyclopedia, just some info about the student organisation. —michaelll

Delete. Not notable, untranslated. Physchim62 17:36, 14 October 2005 (UTC) no:Aktive Studenters Forening
 * Delete... I'm accepting michaelll's statement that this is a non-notable student organization on good faith.--Isotope23 17:49, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete. Duplicate of no:Aktive Studenters Forening. Nabla 21:07, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, do not translate. Punkmorten 22:27, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn. Rd232 22:58, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

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Find a Grave

Find a Grave is a website that allows the public to search and add to an online database of human and pet cemetery records. It is owned by Ancestry.com. Its stated mission is "to help people from all over the world work together to find, record and present final disposition information as a virtual cemetery experience." Volunteers can create memorials, upload photos of grave markers or deceased persons, transcribe photos of headstones, and more. , the site claimed more than 238 million memorials.

1995–2009
Find a Grave was created in 1995 by Salt Lake City, Utah, resident Jim Tipton to support his hobby of visiting the burial sites of famous celebrities. Tipton classified his early childhood as being a nerdy kid who had somewhat of a fascination with graves and some love for learning HTML. He later added an online forum. Find a Grave was launched as a commercial entity in 1998, first as a trade name and then incorporated in 2000.

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In 2010, Find a Grave expanded to include graves of non-celebrities, in order to allow online visitors to pay respect to their deceased relatives or friends.

In 2013, Tipton sold Find a Grave to Ancestry.com, stating the genealogy company had "been linking and driving traffic to the site for several years. Burial information is a wonderful source for people researching their family history." According to a press release, Ancestry.com officials said they would "launch a new mobile app, improve customer support, [and] introduce an enhanced edit system for submitting updates to memorials, foreign-language support, and other site improvements."

In 2017, a beta website for a redesigned Find a Grave was launched at gravestage.com. From May 29 to July 10 of that year, the beta website was migrated to new.findagrave.com, and a new front end for it was deployed at beta.findagrave.com. The new site became live at the end of the year, and the old site was deprecated and officially retired in 2018 the following year.

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Interment listings are added by individuals, genealogical societies, cemetery associations, and other institutions such as the International Wargraves Photography Project.

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Heidsieck & Co

Heidsieck & Co "Monopole" is a champagne house located in the Champagne region of France.

History
It was founded in 1785 by Florens-Louis Heidsieck. Following the death of the founder in 1828, the successors were his relatives Henri-Louis Walbaum, Frédéric-Auguste Delius and Christian Heidsieck.

In 1838 after several disagreements, the three nephews decide to part ways. Henri Louis Walbaum (1813–1883) continued the business alone, joining forces with his brother-in-law Auguste Heidsieck (1796–1870). The company name therefore changed to "Walbaum Heidsieck & Co."

In 1860 Henri Louis Walbaum and Auguste Heidsieck established the trademark "Monopole". Following the death of Auguste Heidsieck, in 1870 the company Veuve Heidsieck et Co., heirs to Heidsieck & Co, operated under the leadership of his widow for a few years. Her successor was Florens Walbaum, who became the first chairman of the Syndicat du Commerce des Vins de Champagne from 1882 until his death in 1893. The company name changed again to "Heidsieck & Co." in 1882. Following several other name changes, in 1889, the company became "Walbaum, Luling, Goulden & Co, successeurs d'Heidsieck & CO" in 1889. It received an imperial warrant of appointment to the Russian court. In 1907 the company name becomes “Walbaum Goulden & Co, successeurs d’Heidsieck & Co, Maison fondée en 1785″. The company received an imperial and royal warrant of appointment for the Austro-Hungarian court.

In 1923 Édouard Mignot, founder of the grocery store chain “Les Comptoirs Français” acquires the company, which then becomes "Champagne Heidsieck & Co Monopole SA".

1956 After the Second World War, in 1956 the Champagne Academy in London is founded with "Heidsieck & Co Monopole" as one of the founding members.

In 1998, the Hiedsieck cuvée called Diamant bleu vintage 1907 was found in the shipwreck of the Swedish freighter Jönköping in the Gulf of Finland, the ship was chartered to deliver spirits, via neutral Sweden, to the Imperial Court of Tsar Nicholas II of Russia. The ship was torpedoed in 1916 by a German submarine during World War I and a majority of the bottles survived in the frigid waters. About 2000 bottles were salvaged from the ship and have been sold at auctions all over the world as a historic novelty.

In July 2010, a group of Swedish divers found 168 bottles from the 1830s aboard a shipwreck in the Baltic Sea off the coast of Åland. The bottles were initially claimed to have been produced between 1782 and 1788. They were sent for analysis to France where they were traced to a now-defunct champagne house Juglar. In November 2010 it was reported that the wreck included Veuve Clicquot bottles as well. Veuve Clicquot stated that experts checking branding of the corks "were able to identify with absolute certainty" that three of the bottles were theirs. The other bottles examined were attributed to Juglar.

In January 2011 further info about the Åland bottles was released. 95 of them were identified as Juglar, 46 as Veuve Clicquot and at least four as Heidsieck.

On November 17 the provincial government of the Åland Islands announced that most of the bottles were to be auctioned off. Two bottles of the Juglar were sold in the first auction, one going for 24,000 euros. Six bottles of the Juglar were sold at a second auction in 2012, along with four of the Veuve Clicquot and one of the Heidsieck. The profit from the auctions is being used for the improvement of water quality in the Baltic Sea and for research in marine archaeology and naval history.

Today, Heidsieck is owned by the Vranken-Pommery Monopole Group (located in Reims), which also owns Pommery, Vranken, Château la Gordonne, Domaine Royal de Jarras, and Rozès. The champagne has a lot of pinot noir in the standard cuvée which makes it a little bit heavier in its style.

Champagnes

 * Blue Top (non-vintage) – The primary House champagne. (Composition: 70% Pinot Noir, 20% Chardonnay, 10% Pinot Meunier.)
 * Blue Top Premiers Crus (non-vintage). (Composition: 60% Pinot Noir, 40% Chardonnay.)
 * Extra Dry (non-vintage) (Composition: 70% Pinot Noir, 20% Chardonnay, 10% Pinot Meunier.)
 * Gold Top Millesime 2000. (Composition: 35% Pinot Noir, 35% Chardonnay, 30% Pinot Meunier.)

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Army of New Mexico

The Army of New Mexico, also known as the Sibley Brigade, was a small Confederate field army in the American Civil War. It operated in Confederate Arizona and New Mexico Territory during the New Mexico Campaign in late 1861 and early 1862, before it was transferred to Louisiana. At first the force was tasked with securing Confederate Arizona's forts, most of which were still in Union hands. John R. Baylor had already established the Confederate Territory of Arizona after the First Battle of Mesilla in 1861. Now the goal was to capture the remaining U.S. held forts in Confederate Arizona and to invade New Mexico Territory. The army also hoped to capture the mines of Colorado and California, to secure gold and silver supplies to finance the Confederate war effort. Ultimately, the Confederate plans were thwarted at the Battle of Glorieta Pass.

History
The army was formed by Brigadier General Henry Hopkins Sibley during the summer of 1861, recruiting from the eastern counties of Texas. Sibley had planned to use local militia companies in forming his regiments, but upon his arrival to Texas he found the militia to be unreliable, so he started recruiting from scratch. Two regiments were formed initially, the 4th and the 5th Mounted Rifles, both with a battery of howitzers attached, but a third regiment, designated the 7th Mounted Rifles, was formed to garrison the territory. The volunteers provided their own weapons, horses, and blankets, with minimal supplies given from the government warehouses. As a result, the weapons used by the troops varied widely, including rifle muskets, squirrel guns, and double barreled shotguns. After initial training in San Antonio, the regiments were sent by detachments to Fort Bliss near El Paso in October, where Sibley formally took command of the military units in the Confederate Arizona Territory. Once the command was concentrated at Fort Bliss, Sibley then sent them to Fort Thorn in New Mexico, where it remained for a month.

The army began operations in the territory in mid-February 1862, when it moved north against the Union garrison at Fort Craig. Arriving at the fort on February 13, Sibley first attempted to lure the Federals out into the open; when this plan failed, he then tried moving north of the fort to cut its supply lines. The Union commander, Colonel E.R.S. Canby, reacted by following Sibly north and attacking him at Valverde Ford. At this time, Sibley was either suffering from kidney disease or was drunk; early in the battle he was forced to turn command over to Colonel Thomas Green of the 5th Texas. The battle developed into a stalemate, which continued until late afternoon when the Union left counterattacked following a Confederate attack. This created a gap between the Union left and center; Green ordered a charge into the gap, driving the Union force back across the Rio Grande and capturing four cannons. Although he lost the Battle of Valverde, Canby refused to surrender as Sibley had expected, and Sibley felt that the fort was too strong to attack. Consequently, he decided to continue northward, crossing the border into New Mexico Territory and leaving Canby in his rear. Due to the number of horses lost at the battle, the 4th Texas had to be dismounted and a number of supply wagons were abandoned and burned.

Sibley continued northward, capturing Albuquerque on March 2 and Santa Fe on March 13 but failed to capture the Union supplies there. This forced the Confederates to live off the land, but were only able to find a fraction of the supplies they needed; in addition, the foraging alienated the local population. After establishing his headquarters at Albuquerque, Sibley sent an advance force under the command Major Charles Pyron to Apache Canyon to watch for Union movements from the north along the Santa Fe Trail. A second detachment moved to the south to keep watch on Canby's force, while the main body under Lieutenant Colonel William R. Scurry moved slowly northward to unite with Pyron. A Union column from Fort Union under the command of Col. John P. Slough was moving south at this time. An advance guard from this column collided with Pyron's force on March 26, with the Confederates being driven back through the pass. That evening, in response to a message from Pyron, Scurry arrived with the main force and spent the next day observing the Union force, expecting an attack. At the Battle of Glorieta Pass on March 28, the main Confederate force under Scurry fought a Union force marching from Fort Union, driving it back through the pass. However, a Union detachment was able to march around the Confederates and burned its wagon train, destroying most of the Confederate army's supplies.

After learning of the Union victory, Canby advanced northward in order to unite with the northern force and surround Sibley. Nearly out of ammunition and food, Sibley retreated back to Albuquerque with less than 2,000 men on April 8, a few hours after Canby arrived. Following the arrival of the force from Fort Union, Sibley decided to continue the retreat due to a shortage of rations, ammunition, and forage. The only battle to take place during the retreat was a small battle at Peralta on April 15, when Canby attempted to capture a portion of the Confederate army. After the Confederates took up positions in the adobe houses and ditches surrounding the town, Canby decided that the positions were too strong for an assault, so he tried to cut off the Confederates' retreat. During this movement, Sibley arrived with the 5th and 7th Texas regiments and managed to stop Canby's attack. Both sides bombarded each other with artillery until a sandstorm blew in, during which the Confederates withdrew from the field. The Confederates were forced to abandon eight howitzers and leave dozens of wounded behind during their retreat. A small rear was left to guard at Fort Thorn in New Mexico, but this also had to retreat in early July, due to advancing Union forces from California. During the campaign, the army lost approximately a thousand men, nearly half of which were missing or captured.

The army was sent eastward to Louisiana, where it fought in several skirmishes and battles, including the Red River Campaign. Sibley was relieved of command of the brigade due to drunkenness and reassigned to directing supply trains. The cannons captured at Valverde were formed into an artillery unit manned by volunteers from the 5th Texas, designated the Valverde Battery.

Composition
The army was commanded by Brigadier General Henry Hopkins Sibley and its strength was about 2,500. Three regiments of mounted rifles originally formed the army, and other units already in the territory were added as the campaign progressed.

4th Texas Mounted Rifles

 * Colonel James Riley, Lieutenant Colonel William R. Scurry, Major Henry Raguet (wounded at Valverde)
 * Company A: Captain William Polk Hardeman
 * Company B: Captain Andrew Scarborough
 * Company C: Captain George Hampton
 * Company D: Captain Charles Leseur
 * Company E: Captain Charles Buckholts
 * Company F: Captain James Crosson
 * Company G: Captain Marinus van den Heuvel (killed at Valverde)
 * Company H: Captain William Alexander
 * Company I: Captain David Nunn
 * Company K: Captain William Foard

5th Texas Mounted Rifles

 * Colonel Thomas Green, Lieutenant Colonel Henry McNeill, Major Samuel Lockridge (killed at Valverde), Major John Shropshire (killed at Glorieta Pass)
 * Company A: Captain John Shropshire (promoted to major following Valverde)
 * Company B: Captain Willis Lang
 * Company C: Captain Denman Shannon
 * Company D: Captain Dan Ragsdale
 * Company E: Captain Hugh McPhaill
 * Company F: Captain George W. Campbell
 * Company G: Captain Jerome McGown
 * Company H: Captain Reddin Pridgen
 * Company I: Captain Ira Killough
 * Company K: Captain Charles Jordan

7th Texas Mounted Rifles

 * Colonel William Steele
 * Company C: Captain Hiram Mack Burrows
 * Company D: Captain William H. Cleaver
 * Company E: Captain Dr. William L. Kirksey
 * Company G: Captain Horatio White Fisher
 * Company K: Captain Thomas Orville Moody
 * Advance battalion - Lieutenant Colonel John Sutton (killed at Valverde), Major Powhatan Jordan
 * Company A: Captain Powhatan Jordan (promoted to major), 1st Lt. Alfred Sturgis Thurmond
 * Company B: Captain Gustav Hoffmann
 * Company F: Captain James Wiggins
 * Company H: Captain Isaac Adair
 * Company I: Captain James Gardner (wounded at Valverde), 1st Lt. William B. Key

Battalion, 2nd Texas Mounted Rifles

 * Major Charles L. Pyron
 * Company B: Lieutenant William Jett
 * Company D: Captain James Walker
 * Company E: Captain Ike Stafford

Provisional artillery battalion

 * Major Trevanion Teel
 * Battery, 2nd Texas Mounted Rifles - Lieutenants Joseph H. McGinnis and Jordon H. Bennett
 * Battery, 4th Texas Mounted Rifles - Lieutenant John Relly
 * Battery, 5th Texas Mounted Rifles - Lieutenant William Wood

Arizona units

 * Company A, Baylor's Arizona Regiment - Captain Sherod Hunter
 * Arizona Rangers - Captain George Frazier
 * Brigands - Captain John Phillips
 * San Elizario Spy Company - Lieutenant Lemuel Nicholson, later Captain Bethel Coopwood, sick with smallpox at the start of the campaign.
 * 1st Arizona Mounted Rifles Battalion - Lieutenant Colonel Philemon T. Herbert

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Talk:Kenmore Square

The Rat
The media section mentions three trivia anecdotes, all which relate to the now defunct Rathskeller bar and live music venue. The place was a dive, but it was also an important piece of music history. I would think it deserves being mentioned at the tail end of the history section. Anybody up for writing a quick paragraph?

Jmgariepy (talk) 04:32, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

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Does this article really warrant the section on the 2004 riot? It has relevance to the Victoria Snelgrove story, certainly, but even that happened outside of the square. Aside from a busted up McDonald's edifice, the disturbance seemed pretty insignificant in the long term history of Kenmore Square. Hiberniantears 17:40, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree with the above comment... also, is the Citgo Sign a historical landmark or not? The article first says it is not, then a couple sentences later it says it is. Stoneice02 17:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Merging of Kenmore Square and Fenway-Kenmore
There already are articles called Back Bay Fens, Kenmore Square and Back Bay which encompass much of this in formation – Fenway-Kenmore should either be merged with Back Bay or Kenmore Square

I recalled the merge request - thanks for your input all. Markco1 05:20, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Brookline
trivial change, but Brookline is a town, not a city. Changed article to reference "town of Brookline" rather than "city of Brookline. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.19.113.72 (talk) 03:17, 2 April 2007 (UTC).

Missing a chunk
What about south of Boylston west of Mass Ave? That certaintly isn't Kenmore Square or Back Bay. I'm pretty sure Kenmore Square refers to the interestion and the immediate surrounding area, not specifically the neighborhood. And Back Bay would be the east side of Mass Ave since there is a sign on Mass Ave and Boylston saying "Welcome to Back Bay." Also the Back Bay Fens is a park, not a neighborhood. You can check many apartment listings to find how many are listed as "Fenway" refering to the neighborhood discribed in the wiki article for Fenway-Kenmore.

I'm sure not too many Northeastern or Wentworth students would be pleased if you told them they were living in the Back Bay Fens/Muddy River instead of Fenway next semester.

Riot
I'm moving the riot section here for the time being. I think it can be deleted entirely, as it is not terribly relevent any longer, and I doubt this article needs to become a list of all notable things which ever happened in Kenmore Sq. Hiberniantears 19:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Following the surprising 2004 American League Championship Series victory, Boston Red Sox fans filled the square. The celebration quickly turned sour when mob mentality set in and acts of vandalism and destruction broke out, leading to broken windows, destroyed traffic lights and smashed signs. When the crowd began to attack a McDonald's, Boston Police Department riot police moved in to calm the crowd. When the riot police arrived, activity in Kenmore Square calmed down, but elsewhere violence continued. Victoria Snelgrove was killed near Fenway Park by a crowd control projectile fired by the Boston Police. The police department later accepted "Full responsibility."

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Comet seeker

A comet seeker is a type of small telescope adapted especially to searching for comets: commonly of short focal length and large aperture, in order to secure the greatest brilliancy of light. This style of telescope was used to discover the asteroid 9 Metis in 1848.

A comet seeker telescope is a type of optical device that is known for having a short focal length but a wide field of view.
 * Design

 * Examples

A comet seeker with about 3.9 inch aperture was installed at the United States Naval Observatory in 1843, and later transferred to the Smithsonian Museum in 1866. It had an aperture of 4 inches (10.2 cm) and was made by Utzschneider & Fraunhofer in Munich. This was operated as part of suite of several other instruments including a larger refractor on an equatorial mounting, a meridian transit, mural circle, etc.

Markree Observatory added a 3-inch aperture Comet Seeker on an equatorial mount by Ertel. It was ordered in 1842, and in place until 1874.

The Markree Comet Seeker was used to discover 9 Metis in April 1848. It was discovered by Edward Cooper's assistant Andrew Graham, who worked at that observatory until 1860. Graham also observed and sketched the Orion nebula with this Ertel Comet seeker.

An 8.6 cm aperture Comet Seeker was used, with some customizations, to produce the Bonner Durchmusterung star catalog from Bonn Observatory, in the 19th century.

In 1866 a Comet Seeker telescope of 18 cm aperture by Martin was acquired by the Marseille Observatory in France.

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Talk:Chess in Europe

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What is the evidence for this: In the beginning chess was only played by peers at the court. It seems a difficult possition to defend.

In any case, it leaves the wrong impression, as chess appears to have become quite popular. -- Jake 17:44, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

 * In the first par, it says evidence points to an 11 C entry "at the very earliest"... and two sentences later, other evidence is suggesting as early as 900 AD, ie, the beginning of the 10th C. Also, use of the word "our" when refering to Europe is exclusionary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.109.88.42 (talk • contribs) 10 June

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Show Business at War

Show Business at War is a short film made by The March of Time in 1943 to tout the United States film industry's contribution to the Second World War effort. It was a collaboration between several studios, directors and actors.

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Talk:Ukrainian Canadian internment

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I've partially reverted this edit. Women and children were not interned, but chose to stay near their family members (in fact, I believe they stayed in facilities near the two camps mentioned, and not in them). It bears mentioning that immigrants, especially those labeled "enemy aliens" had a harder time keeping jobs during a recession, but saying that most of them "had been fired from their jobs for 'patriotic reasons'" is not neutral. And why remove the factual comparison to Canada's other well-known internment? —Michael Z. 2006-10-27 00:02 Z

Again, I'm partially reverting this pair of edits by an anonymous editor. The edit removes information supported by citations, as well as one citation and an ISBN-link for another. It replaces this with un-cited information. Since this is a controversial and often-misunderstood subject, please cite a verifiable source to support your edits.

I find disturbing the removal of an academic reference, which apparently doesn't reflect this editor's point of view, and the apparently misleading invocation of the Geneva Conventions (see below). If you want this article to support a point of view, you can only succeed by having it fairly represent all points of view and letting readers draw their own conclusions. Trying to misinform or obscure information can only harm your objectives.

You would think someone using an IP address from the educational institution where Doctor Luciuk teaches would know better!

Questions raised:

 * "The internment did include some Canadian-born British subjects and naturalized citizens, including the last known survivor, Mary Manko"

Were these only minor children? I don't think it's fair to equate them with the intended subjects of the internment, who were required to carry identification, register at police stations, or report to internment camps, but it was significant that some were in their families, and accompanied them to the camps. We need more information about Mary Manko's activities in helping Canadians learn about the internment.

 * "Many of these internees were used for labour in internment camps, contrary to the provisions of the Geneva Conventions, which prohibit the use of POWs for forced labour to the profit of the interning power."

We need a reliable reference saying that these were considered POWs under the Geneva Conventions of 1864 ("for the Amelioration of the Condition of the Wounded and Sick in Armed Forces in the Field") and 1906 ("for the Amelioration of the Condition of Wounded, Sick and Shipwrecked Members of Armed Forces at Sea"). I suspect that this is not the case, since civilians were the subject of the 1949 treaty ("relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War"). —Michael Z. 2006-11-03 16:08 Z

Contradiction
[moving discussion from the article —Michael Z. 2006-11-10 20:10 Z ]

This article contradicts itself: First it states that "the interned did not include Canadian-born (nor) Canadian citizens." In the next sentence it states that the last known Canadian-born survivor of the internment camps is Mary Manko.

The Ukrainian Canadian internment included both Canadian born and Canadian citizens, who, exactly like the Japanese Canadians interned in World War II, had their belongings and property confiscated, were separated from their families, and were interned. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.95.97.244 (talk • contribs).

 * If you read more carefully, you'll see that Mary Manko was not an internee, but one of the family members who accompanied them at the internment camps. Perhaps the wording needs clarification.

 * The Ukrainian Canadian internment was not like the Japanese Canadian internment: it didn't strip Canadians of their citizenship, label them as enemies, deport them, nor split up Canadian families. As far as we know, no homesteaders or other established settlers were interned. —Michael Z. 2006-11-10 20:19 Z

BS?

 * '' Many of these internees were used for labour in internment camps. This was in violation of the Geneva Conventions, as the studies of Professors Kordan and Mahovsky have demonstrated.

The First Geneva Convention only applied to the treatment of battlefield casualties. The other conventions were not yet written.

I had a quick look through Kordan and Mahovsky's book, and by my reading, they explicitly state that the Hague Conventions (1899 and 1907) did not apply to civilians, but because of the assumptions they made about how civilians would be treated, the Canadian treatment of Austro-Hungarian internees went against the spirit of the conventions (this seemed to be a bit of a reach to me, but I'm no expert). They also stated that civilians were treated worse by most other belligerents in the war.

To me, this article seems to be misrepresenting the source cited. —Michael Z. 2007-06-04 05:38 Z

 * I've removed the second sentence from the article. Please don't restore without quoting the source. —Michael Z. 2007-06-04 06:11 Z

Include controversy in the article
I notice that Luciuk's pamphlet (and Martynowych's response) were removed from the article with the comment "removed revisionist source". Perhaps Luciuk's pamphlet should be mentioned, since it is so often referred to, and has formed so much of the commonly-held opinion on this issue. Martynowych's letter may still be a good link to include anyway, since it provides a lot of perspective on the situation, from a historian familiar with the primary sources.

I'm saying that this topic is controversial, and maybe this article's coverage should include the controversy. This might help stabilize it in the face of the ongoing tug-of-war about specific facts, or at least help give the reader perspective. —Michael Z. 2007-06-04 06:06 Z

non-ukranian internment
I understand the fervor of Ukrainian-Canadian community, admire and applaud their persistence to bring the issue to the attention on the highest levels of responsibility and recognition. As a non-Canadian I cannot help wondering why this wiki page is not expanded to the broader theme that the endowment fund was dedicated to, the recognition of Canada's First World War Internment. Yes, Austro-Hungarians, Germans and Poles are mentioned in passing on this wiki, and may have been the minority affected, but ... ?

The wikisite on Auschwitz comes to mind, it isn't divided into wikisites on the internment of Jews, socialists, homosexuals, gypsies as far as I know. I would just welcome a more inclusive wikisite Canada's First World War Internment. - ok, so why am I not doing it? I've done my bit, dedicated quite some time to find refs and find and interlink various connected pages here, but I dont feel able or "called to" expand the site. I write this in the hope that others feel the same way, feel the need to broaden the subject beyond the ethnic lens. It's an important topic, and I think the Canadian experience serves as a model for survivors of more recent or even present day internments, that have not won an apology by their perpetrators yet, no reparations, no wider recognition, are struggling with taboo.--Wuerzele (talk) 20:19, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

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I removed this line: "See: 'That Never Happened' documentary and Canadian Encyclopedia for resources," from the text, as citations should be linked as in-line footnotes, as per our usual procedure. Also, the line "Much existing Canadian infrastructure was built by this enslaved Ukrainian labour" needs a citation. (Perhaps one of the above.) Thanks. Laodah 22:30, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

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Thy Epileptic Squirrels
Non-notable band page (72 hits on Google, most self-created I think).

 * Delete Keithlard 17:49, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Doesn't meet WP:MUSIC criteria.--Isotope23 19:26, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.Gator1 19:27, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gravitational Oscillating Plane Theory

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The result of the debate was delete. Denelson83 19:41, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Gravitational Oscillating Plane Theory
I can't seem to find anything on this theory or its supposed creators Peter Vincent and Dr Chris Wilcox. Looks to me like a creation of User:Lithium412. — Laura Scudder | Talk 17:51, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment on what grounds do you associate this article with dr wilcox
 * Delete as non-verifiable theory. I can't find any references to the theory or the creators. Possibly just created by another user and then just vandalized by User:Lithium412, who has been fairly active today.--Isotope23 18:08, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -- SCZenz 18:13, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Sounds like a lame attempt at string theory. Google knows naught. linas 22:01, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Obscure pseudoscience. ManoaChild 02:25, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Google, arXiv, citeBase yield no hits on alleged theory, which apparently was never published if it ever existed. Article on Chris Wilcox gives link to CERN, but this website does not contain the cited document allegedly by this Wilcox, and I could not find a Wilcox at CERN via Google, although someone at CERN with access to a staff directory might have better luck (if Wilcox exists, it seems he might be some kind of computer or media relations staffer, but even if he exists, there is a question whether the alleged theory might not be another case of someone trying to attribute a made-up "theory" to a real and innocent person). ---CH  (talk) 03:10, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unremarkable to say the least. Voice of  All   @  |  E  |Merit  16:15, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. can't find anything on this at all. ---Mpatel  (talk) 07:54, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Do Not Delete I am a technician at CERN and have personally verified the authenticity of Professor Vincent and indeed Dr Wilcox, who is a personal friend. I can catagorically state that gravitational oscillating plane theory is GENUINE, although the article here is not the most accurate. I have to say, by even questioning the validity of work by these distingushed scientists you should all be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves. If you have any questions, please contact me at the usual address. --Svenson 21:38, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment - if you really are, why is your spelling so dreadful? --MacRusgail 22:43, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment - I also have my doubts that "Svenson" works at this renound facility, as he calls it on his user page. Like most of the apparent hoaxes I've seen, this reads like something written by a mischievous junior high school student, so I hope this is just a phase which "Svenson" is rapidly outgrowing.---CH  (talk) 07:43, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * What's that smell? Dirty socks?--Isotope23 16:14, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I've been wondering what might be the motivation for 86.9.0.194, 82.14.4.161, Dr uri krossavich, Dr greenson, Lithium412. Their contribs (actually, I think the same youngster in Hampshire might be behind all these edits) suggest that this is some kind of Dungeon's and Dragons game (various named 'planes' seem to play a role in that game).  I tried to suggest to "krossavich" that he try using some of the spoof Wikipedias rather than the real one for this kind of game.---CH  (talk) 18:53, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment firstly, we are not from hampshire and i resent the implication and secondly, i do not play or even know anything about dungeons and dragonsDr uri krossavich 19:41, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Do Not Delete Although any literature on this subject never received mainstream publication i can assure you it is a viable theory. I work at fermilab as part of a team searching for the graviton particle and i can say that, allthough it is not a theory i personaly subscribe to, it is one that can yet be ruled out.
 * Not that we believe you, but please see WP:SOCK, WP:V and WP:NOR ---CH (talk) 18:53, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

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Dear Drahoslav Vavrda, if you have time, could you translate the article on Štefan Znám from the Slovak Wikipedia to the English Wikipedia? Anton Mravcek 00:09, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'll try to find some -- Drahoš 23:15, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

False Friends of the Slavist
Please have a look at False Friends of the Slavist. With your language skills, you can help us very much there, though there is not too much to be done. See also wikibooks:Talk:False Friends of the Slavist for details on what is still needed. Thanks in advance! --Daniel Bunčić 18:59, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Czech Republic
We are estabilishing WikiProject Czech Republic, maybe you would like to participate, please see |this and vote for support.  ≈Tulkolahten≈ ≈talk≈ 10:40, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

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