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It's My Life (Talk Talk song)

"It's My Life" is a song by the English new wave band Talk Talk. Written by Mark Hollis and Tim Friese-Greene, it was the title track on the band's second album, It's My Life (1984), and released as its first single in January 1984. It reached number 46 on the UK Singles Chart, but did better in several other countries, reaching number 33 in Germany, number 32 in New Zealand, number 25 in France and number 9 in Italy. In North America, it entered the Top 40 in both the United States (at number 31) and Canada (at number 30). It peaked at number 1 on the US Dance Club Songs chart.

The single was re-released in the UK in 1985, but only peaked at 93. In 1990, however, "It's My Life" was reissued again to promote the compilation album Natural History: The Very Best of Talk Talk. This time, the song was a hit in the UK, reaching number 13, the band's highest chart-placing single in its native country.

Music video
There are two versions of the video for "It's My Life". The first, envisioned by director Tim Pope as a statement against the banality of lip-synching, consists almost entirely of footage from the 1979 BBC wildlife documentary Life on Earth, interspersed with shots of Talk Talk lead singer Mark Hollis standing in various places throughout the London Zoo. He keeps his hands in his coat pockets and his mouth pointedly shut tight, the latter often obscured by hand-drawn animated lines that occasionally appear in the documentary footage sequences as well.

The second version, recorded at the behest of EMI, consisted of the entirety of the original video projected on a green screen behind Hollis on guitar and vocals as well as his two bandmates as they lip-synched and mimed the song, deliberately poorly and with comic exaggerated gestures.

Personnel
Talk Talk
 * Mark Hollis - lead and backing vocals, acoustic guitar
 * Paul Webb - fretless bass guitar, backing vocals
 * Lee Harris - Simmons drums, snare drum

Additional musicians
 * Tim Friese-Greene - Oberheim OB-X and Fairlight CMI synthesizers, Roland TR-808 programming
 * Ian Curnow - Roland Jupiter-8 synthesizers
 * Robbie McIntosh - electric guitar
 * Morris Pert - percussion

1984 release
7" single
 * 1) "It's My Life" – 3:51
 * 2) "Does Caroline Know?" – 4:36

12" single – North America
 * 1) "It's My Life" (Extended Version) – 6:14
 * 2) "It's My Life" – 3:51
 * 3) "Again, a Game...Again" – 4:09

12" single – Europe
 * 1) "It's My Life" (12" Remix) – 6:16
 * 2) "Does Caroline Know?" – 4:33
 * 3) "It's My Life" – 3:51

1990 reissue
7" single
 * 1) "It's My Life" – 3:51
 * 2) "Renée" (Live from Hammersmith Odeon) – 7:28

CD maxi
 * 1) "It's My Life" – 3:51
 * 2) "Renée" (Live from Hammersmith Odeon) – 7:28
 * 3) "It's My Life" (Live from Hammersmith Odeon) – 7:58

No Doubt version
The American rock band No Doubt recorded a cover version of the song to promote their first greatest hits album The Singles 1992–2003 (2003). Because the band was on hiatus while lead singer Gwen Stefani recorded her solo debut album, Love. Angel. Music. Baby. (2004), they decided to record a cover to avoid having to write a new song. Eventually, after considering hundreds of songs, they narrowed it down to two contenders – "It's My Life" by Talk Talk and "Don't Change" by Australian rock band INXS. "A Question of Lust" by English electronic band Depeche Mode was another close contender. No Doubt later had second thoughts about recording a cover and contemplated writing new material. However, they became more comfortable after rehearsing the song with producer Nellee Hooper, referring to it as a "feel-good" song. No Doubt's version of "It's My Life" was nominated for Best Pop Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal at the 47th Grammy Awards. Jacques Lu Cont, the song's programmer, created the Thin White Duke mix of "It's My Life", which won the award for Best Remixed Recording, Non-Classical.

Commercial performance
No Doubt's cover version was successful in the United States, reaching number 10 on the Billboard Hot 100, and remaining on the chart for 28 weeks. On the Radio & Records CHR/Pop Airplay chart the song debuted at number 41 on the 10 October 2003 issue and after six weeks reached and peaked at number five staying there for two non-consecutive weeks, it remained on the top-ten of the chart for nine weeks and remained on it for 20 weeks. It was moderately successful on adult contemporary stations, reaching number 20 on the US Adult Contemporary chart, but had high longevity and appeared atop the Adult Top 40's recurrent chart. The single was more successful at nightclubs, peaking at number 16 on the US Dance Club Songs chart, and had some play on modern rock stations, reaching number 32 on the US Alternative Songs chart. The Recording Industry Association of America certified the digital download Gold for selling 500,000 copies.

On the UK Singles chart, "It's My Life" debuted at number 20. It reached a higher position when it was released as a double A-side single with a remix of the song "Bathwater" which charted at number 17. It was more of a success across Europe, reaching the top-ten in Italy, Finland, Germany, Ireland, the Netherlands, Norway and Sweden, and the top 20 in Austria, Belgium, France and Switzerland. The single reached number seven on the ARIA Charts in Australia, lasting 17 weeks on the chart, and was listed at number 81 on the 2004 year-end chart. The Australian Recording Industry Association certified the single Platinum in 2004 for shipping 70,000 copies.

Music video
The 1930s-style music video for the song was directed by David LaChapelle. In the video, Stefani portrays a black widow whose look closely resembles that of actress Jean Harlow, whom Stefani portrayed in the Martin Scorsese film The Aviator. She is put on trial and sentenced to death for the murders of three men she knew, who are portrayed by the other members of the band. She kills the first man (guitarist Tom Dumont) with rat poison mixed into his dinner, the second (bassist Tony Kanal) by running him over with his car, and the third (drummer Adrian Young) by throwing her hair dryer into the bathtub to electrocute him. These scenes are intercut with moments of Stefani in court and being dragged to the gas chamber, wearing a prison uniform, where she is executed. The video ends with the three murder victims together, presumably in the afterlife, laughing at her televised execution.

The music video was moderately successful on video chart programs. On MTV's Total Request Live, it reached number seven in November 2003 and was on the countdown as late as January 2004. The video peaked at number eight on MuchMusic's Countdown and remained on the program through March 2004. At the 2004 MTV Video Music Awards, "It's My Life" won the awards for Best Group Video and Best Pop Video. It also received nominations for Best Direction, Best Cinematography, and Best Art Direction.

Track listing and formats
2-track
 * 1) "It's My Life" – 3:46
 * 2) "Rock Steady" (live) – 5:53

CD single
 * 1) "It's My Life" – 3:46
 * 2) "Sunday Morning" (2002 live) – 4:49
 * 3) "Rock Steady" (2002 live) – 5:53
 * 4) "Bathwater" (2002 live) – 4:01

UK CD single
 * 1) "It's My Life" – 3:46
 * 2) "Rock Steady" (2002 live) – 5:53
 * 3) "Bathwater" (2002 live) – 4:01

UK re-issue "It's My Life" / "Bathwater" double A-side CD single
 * 1) "It's My Life" – 3:46
 * 2) "Bathwater" (Invincible Overlord Remix) – 3:07
 * 3) "It's My Life" (Jacques Lu Cont's Thin White Duke Mix) – 6:59
 * 4) "It's My Life" (Chocolate O'Brian Remix) – 5:43
 * 5) "Bathwater" (Invincible Overlord Remix Video)
 * 6) "It's My Life" (Video)

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Theaters in Ohio
 * Playhouse Square Center
 * Allen Theatre
 * Hanna Theater
 * Ohio Theater
 * Palace Theater
 * State Theater
 * Benjamin and Marian Schuster Performing Arts Center
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 * Cleveland Play House
 * Cleveland Public Theatre
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 * Karamu House
 * Great Lakes Theater Festival
 * Raconteur Theatre Company
 * Theater Ninjas
 * Murphy Theatre
 * Valentine Theatre
 * Stranahan Theater

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Talk:Eliezer Yudkowsky

SAT Score
The information on him getting a 1410 on the SAT at age 11 keeps getting deleted. Odd. 2.35.189.199 (talk) 16:21, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

It is a difficult to verify piece of information, it's not really encyclopedic (Bibliographies on Wikipedia usually don't mention SAT scores or IQs), and quite frankly, mentioning it looks like a way to make up for his lack of formal education.

 * It is verified with a reliable source. It doesn't matter whether Wikipedia pages usually mention it or not. Show me the policy that says it shouldn't be here. It's an important piece of information to get a sense of who Yudkowsky is, basically a person with great mental horsepower who writes a lot of BS and has comparatively low EQ, focus and ability to self assess. And I took time looking it up, and I don't appreciate your repeated vandalism. 64.124.28.132 (talk) 17:46, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

 * This is the kind of information only cranks and college applicants mention. It makes the article amateurish and gives it the feel of a vanity piece. Improving the quality and professionalism of a page is not vandalism. 204.197.174.2 (talk) 19:49, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Listing SAT scores seems like an attempt to promote the person and is not relevant to a serious biography. Should we add that he got an A+ in his honors classes in 6th grade? Or that he was a very nice boy who the next door neighbor's kids looked up to? On the other hand, would it be appropriate to mention that he did particularly badly on some standardized test or in some elementary school competition? In that case, it would be obvious the edit was meant to undermine his credibility, just as in this case it seems like a misleading attempt to establish credibility. 74.111.196.86 (talk) 15:39, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Also note that this biography of a relatively non-notable person is three sentences long, and one of those sentences is about standardized test scores as a kid. That seems inappropriate, to say the least. 74.111.196.86 (talk) 15:54, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

 * James D. Miller (in the source I cited) considered his score extremely important to his credibility in lieu of any formal education. That's enough. 50.185.86.64 (talk) 18:08, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

 * First, Miller is a contributor to Yudkowsky's Singularity Institute, so he is hardly a neutral source (he says this on the page you cite). Second, the source for the claim that Yudkowsky recieved that score is Yudkowsky himself.  Look at footnote 101.  This is not a reliable or disinterested source for a hard-to-verify fact, particularly if you're right that it's extremely important to his credibility. 74.111.196.86 (talk) 19:23, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Admittedly I'm not sure how reliable these sources are. It's possible they may be "questionable sources" according to WP:BIASED. But that the SAT score has caused Miller, a professor of economics, to take Yudkowsky more seriously is demonstrably true. Questionable sources can be sources on themselves. So as a compromise I propose that this section be amended to read that others have cited Yudkowsky as having an SAT score rather than simply stating the score. 50.247.73.118 (talk) 16:32, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

 * If we really have to leave in the promotional SAT score line, then it should read "Yudkowsky claims to have scored a 1410...". He is the actual source of the claim, so it's accurate, and it doesn't mislead the reader into thinking there is a more reliable source. Consider that L. Ron Hubbard claimed to be a war hero. Imagine if a book written by a financial contributor to Scientology repeated this claim. This would clearly not justify our taking the war hero claim at face value. Better to be explicit about the situation.

 * It actually makes no sense to take someone more seriously because of an SAT score (and is probably evidence of Miller's obvious bias as a writer). It is completely irrelevant to one's expertise in AI research or any other specific area of expertise. It is also irrelevant to a person's credibility. Cranks are normally smart people, for example. Intelligence doesn't make a person credible, even though people are commonly misled to believe it does. 74.111.196.86 (talk) 23:26, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I would be fine with attributing Yudkowsky himself as the source of the claim, if Miller did in fact cite him. I don't have access to Miller at the moment. 64.134.227.96 (talk) 00:20, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Now regarding credibility vs. IQ, that is an interesting issue. Obviously IQ is not sufficient for credibility. If you want to recommend some source I might read about it at more length.64.134.227.96 (talk) 00:27, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

I've added the compromise edit, making it explicit that Yudkowsky is the source of the claim that he received these SAT scores. It would be great to get more editors to weigh in at this point. In my opinion, this information, even if true, is inappropriate for a Wikipedia biography for reasons explained above. But we don't even have good reason to think the claims are true. Given the personal stake Yudkowsky has in building his reputation in the absence of academic credentials, the fact that he is the ultimate source of his claim to have received these scores makes them deeply unreliable. The fact that an advocate for his Institute takes him at his word does not make the claim more credible. It is common for fringe thinkers to exaggerate or invent facts about themselves to boost their credibility. In my opinion, Wikipedia is not a forum to repeat these claims and promote individuals, particularly without verification. 74.111.196.86 (talk) 16:18, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

A Criticisms section on responses to EY's work would be more valuable than fluff about SAT scores, IMO. But does anyone feel even-handed enough to write it? --Davidcpearce (talk) 15:57, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

The SAT score claim is extraordinary, self-serving, and unverified (see above). If it's added, the source (Yudkowsky himself) needs to be made transparent. Thus we should include the fact that this is his claim. 166.137.8.52 (talk) 16:35, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Why does a biography page mention that an individual reported a certain high school test score? I removed it because it's not the kind of thing mentioned in serious biographies, it doesn't tell us anything worth noting, and it comes off as amateurish. My edit was reverted by WeyerStudentOfAgrippa (talk) for the following reason: "It is indeed unusual because most subjects do not report their scores. It is relevant in the same way that it would be relevant if he reported getting a bachelor's degree." This implies that it's relevant because it's fraud (the entry mentions that Yudkowsky did not attend college, so the B.A. claim would have been a lie), but this entry does not support the contention that Yudkowsky is lying when reporting the undocumented score (we have no reason to believe or disbelieve it). If his reporting the score is relevant because it indicates he's a fraud, that should be made clear. However, I oppose that for now since there's no supporting evidence here. Given that high school test scores are irrelevant to a serious biography, I think the sentence should be removed. 77.164.155.115 (talk) 09:23, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

 * Yeah, it's obvious fancruft and puffery, and doesn't belong here - David Gerard (talk) 12:29, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

 * The SAT sentence had been up since May. It does not detract from the page because it is short, appropriately attributed, and sourced.  I do not at all see it as obvious why test scores would be irrelevant but not educational credentials or lack thereof.  Note that Richard Feynman's article discusses his high school IQ score and is a featured article. It strikes me as questionable that a supposedly neutral, unbiased biography would include and highlight the claim about not having gone to high school or college (almost certainly based on the source's direct discussion with Yudkowsky) but refuse to mention the public report of SAT score. WeyerStudentOfAgrippa (talk) 15:23, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

 * If you read through the talk page, it seems like a solid majority find it inappropriate; it's puzzling that it's still up (probably because this page doesn't get much attention). The Feynman score in the article you reference is linked to an interesting discussion involving multiple notable people. Furthermore, it is not a self-aggrandizing claim. Note that he used it as a reason he did not join Mensa, and it led people to question whether the test was administered properly, precisely because they expected Feynman to have a higher IQ. This context seems quite different from the Yudkowsky reporting his "perfect" SAT score case. So it's true that IQ scores are sometimes discussed in biographies, but can you point to an example where an SAT or other similar unscientific high school test score is referenced? It's also worth noting that the article linked as the basis for the SAT score claim is poking fun at Yudkowsky throughout, which I don't take to be the purpose of this entry (and would be inappropriate for a biographical entry here). 77.164.155.115 (talk) 15:54, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

 * That's a completely made-up interpretation of WP:BLP - if it's an RS, then being perceived by his fans as making fun of him is not a problem - David Gerard (talk) 10:31, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

 * I think you're misinterpreting my point there. I'm not objecting to using that source. I'm saying that if the reason for reporting the "perfect" score in this entry is to make fun of Yudkowsky in the same tongue-in-cheek way as the source, then that's not an appropriate tone. I don't actually think that was the intention, by the way. I think it was a misguided attempt to counterbalance the "no secondary schooling" point. But it's such a self-defeating way to counterbalance it that I wanted to make sure all bases are covered in case there was a different motivation: (1) SAT or other unscientific high school scores are inappropriate for serious biographies, (2) if the point is that Yudkowsky is a huckster lying about scores to bolster his reputation, we should have documentation of that, and (3) if the point is to make fun of Yudkowsky since publicly reporting an SAT score is such a silly thing to do, then that's best left for different venues. 77.164.155.115 (talk) 13:00, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

 * To be clear, I also have no objection to removing that entire section. 77.164.155.115 (talk) 17:25, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Notability questions?
So he's referenced in three books and seven articles (which I haven't read), founded the SIAI, and his primary research interest is an existential threat to humanity — that is, if he is correct (and a number of serious people think he may be) humanity is in danger of extinction from the threat he is studying, and within the next few decades, too. And he's one of the leaders in raising interest in this particular threat. It seems to me that he meets the primary notability criterion and is nearing the "creative professionals" secondary criterion. Is this not clear from the contents of the article? How did it end up with a "may not meet general notability guidelines" tag on it? Kragen Javier Sitaker (talk) 12:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Not to mention dozens of references in each of Google News/Scholar/Books. I'm removing the note tag. the skomorokh  14:08, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I have re-applied the notability tag. The current article represents Yudkowsky as known for his research in artificial intelligence. If that's the case, the article should be held to the academic notability criteria. He falls very far short of meeting these criteria. I admittedly do not consider him an "academic," as he is not affiliated with an academic or research institution and does not engage with any professional journals, but it seems completely unreasonable to consider him notable because he is not affiliated with a university, when he would clearly be non-notable for exactly the same work if he were. Since he does not meet notability criteria as a researcher, the article should either be overhauled to represent him as something else or deleted. Warm Worm (talk) 15:29, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

LessWrong
redirects here, but as far I can tell, is not mentioned at all in the article. I find that a tad confusing. --79.44.93.161 (talk) 23:17, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

 * Er...

"'Yudkowsky was, along with Robin Hanson, one of the principal contributors to the blog Overcoming Bias sponsored by the Future of Humanity Institute of Oxford University. In early 2009, he helped to found Less Wrong, a 'community blog devoted to refining the art of human rationality'. Overcoming Bias subsequently became Hanson's personal blog.[9]'"

 * --Gwern (contribs) 00:09, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Yudkowsky's upcoming book
In this podcast, Eliezer talks about a book on rationality that he's writing and intending to publish. I was hoping to add it to the article but can't find a reference to it anywhere else. Does anyone have another source for this? —Henry Stanley (talk) 15:32, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Or is this it? —Henry Stanley (talk) 15:36, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

- Eliezer Yudkowsky is writing a book on rationality, reductionism, and other prerequisites for thinking well about AI and Singularity outcomes. The book is targeted at bright students who may later contribute to Friendly AI research. Large parts of what will be the book are online in the form of sequences of posts at the rationality website Less Wrong.

 * Evercat (talk) 16:01, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Inline links
The links to the TDT document, FAI etc. look ugly being in the body - can we just mention them there, and have a 'publications' section or something? Larklight (talk) 15:31, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

 * That seems reasonable to me; as with most WP things, if you want to do it, do it. --Gwern (contribs) 15:43, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Play
Review: http://web.archive.org/web/20090211145423/http://www.nytheatre.com/nytheatre/P07rev_02.htm#400 "Yudkowski Returns! reviewed by Robert Weinstein"

Theater info: http://www.theatermania.com/Off-Off-Broadway/shows/the-pretentious-festival_133057

Yudkoswki Returns! (The Rise and Fall and Rise Again of Dr. Eliezer Yudkowski) Written and Directed by Bob Saietta In a seemingly deserted island, Dr. Eliezer Yudkowski and his artificial intelligence drones and cohorts wage a war to keep their circular narrative from ending. Their only weapon? The hope that humanity can finally evolve. (90 min) Tue 6/19 7pm, @ Sat 6/30 @ 8:45pm, Sun 7/1 @ 1pm, Sun 7/1 @ 7pm

Yudkowsky's reaction: http://www.sl4.org/archive/0707/16399.html --Gwern (contribs) 23:01, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

The infobox
His infobox is that of a scientist (infobox scientist). Is that really appropriate? He is not a scientist, and from what I understand he has very little exchange with the scientific community on the subjects he writes about, as well as pushing scientifically dubious claims. I think the infobox writer would be more appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.226.163.15 (talk) 21:16, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

 * As this entry describes him as a writer, I changed it to a writer infobox

Possible Need for a Controversy Section
While I am not exactly an expert on Yudkowsky's work and life, I think that it should be noted that the man has been roundly criticised in certain quarters for his views on economics, gender politics and race, particularly with respect to [these] [articles] on Lesswrong. While it could be argued that many of the individual critics of his work are not in and of themselves notable, as a collective opposition I believe that they are well worth talking about here, particularly given that the article currently makes no allusion to the contentious nature of Yudkowsky's views.Polypartite (talk) 16:06, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

 * Just to note, the second link you provided (regarding feminism) was not by Yudkowsky but by lukeprog. There are other contributors to LessWrong. 24.253.224.24 (talk) 20:42, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Absolutely. By most of the info I can find on this guy he seems to be regarded as something of a cultist lunatic by most of the net. Definitely worth investigating. Especailly as he's been noted to edit wikipedia himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.7.205 (talk) 22:10, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

 * So what are the arguments from those labeling him a "cultist lunatic"? Every even remotely prominent figure is "roundy criticized in certain quarters" (to use Polypartite's phrase), so I think you need something more to go on than this. 24.253.224.24 (talk) 20:42, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

 * "By most of the info I can find on this guy he seems to be regarded as something of a cultist lunatic by most of the net" I'd be very interesting in finding sources for that. As far as I can see, he is almost unknown outside of a few interconnected blogs. He slips under the radar and thus mostly escapes any serious criticism of his ideas. As he (barely) passes the notability criterion, he gets to be on Wikipedia, but what gets written about him is decided by his fans, as hardly anyone else is aware of him. Very much unlike, say, Richard Dawkins who is well-known by both like-minded and detractors alike. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.224.84.46 (talk • contribs) 19:04, 5 July 2013
 * Look at the edit history... Aris Katsaris is a donor to that guy's "research institute", Gwern is an employee, Thomblake is a big contributor to that guy's community blog. The latter has archived away this talkpage where (presumably) the guy himself said things like "If Bayesian theorists had duels, I'd challenge you to one. I know the math. I just don't have a piece of paper saying I know the math." and as a proof of knowing the math links him explaining the most basic use of it. 78.60.253.249 (talk) 08:44, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I was a part-time contractor (not an employee) for most of 2012, but that was it. As you can see by checking the edit history, I have not even edited the page since mid-2013, and that was mostly fighting an anon pushing an extreme POV (or do WP articles usually include commentary like "The absurdities involved beggar belief"? maybe you shouldn't answer that, anon). If you have a problem with any of my edits, please list them, as I am prepared to defend all of my edits, which were usually minor ones adding citations or reverting vandalism. --Gwern (contribs) 17:57, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

He's certainly considered a crackpot, but not for the reasons you stated. It's not as if people disagree with him politically. He hardly talks about politics. The much larger problem is that he has no formal education to speak of, makes sweeping pronouncements about things he doesn't understand at all, made up his own form of rationality and thinking that other people consider flawed, makes basic errors in science, etc.

He's not known for his political beliefs. He's known for his beliefs about rationality, science, AI, transhumanism, and philosophy, and those are the beliefs people have problems with.

Unfortunately, he's barely notable to begin with and so there is almost no criticism of him from notable people.2602:252:D10:2340:25FB:A879:5C4:1A06 (talk) 04:43, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The reason that no notable people criticise him is that he is utterly unnotable himself. 31.49.9.160 (talk) 20:30, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you realise Yudkowsky is cited as a source in the most popular AI textbook, Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach? It's in the final chapter which is on the philosophy and ethics of AI. 20WattSphere (talk) 21:55, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Decision theorist
Why this keeps popping up? It's not a standard job title or professional description, and most importantly, there is currently no reliable source to the claim that Yudkowsky has performed any notable work in the field of decision theory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.147.147.61 (talk) 03:55, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

 * I just reverted a change that did the opposite of this ('decision theorist' -> 'writer'). Eliezer himself claims he isn't an AI researcher, so unless we have reliable sources saying otherwise (which would be weird), that's clearly wrong. I think merely stating 'writer' is overly general, and something I'd prefer to avoid. It is true that he works on decision theory, whether it's notable is another story. The person is clearly notable, whether he's notable for his profession or for his (mostly past) writing is frankly irrelevant to which occupation he should be stated as having. I'd be happy with 'writer and decision theorist', but not just 'writer'. He has published at least one major document on decision theory, but it might not count as notable.
 * Regarding "it's not a job title or profession": As I see it, it's about as much an occupation as 'moral philosopher', even though it's less common.
 * If you think I'm in error after all, feel free to post a reply here and revert my revert.
 * − Erik.Bjareholt (talk) 17:02, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * David Gerard reverted my revert. Fair enough, I won't pretend to know Wikipedia policy better than him :)
 * − Erik.Bjareholt (talk) 15:51, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * − Erik.Bjareholt (talk) 15:51, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

 * (first commented in wrong section!) I put it back to "writer" pending RSes supporting more specific notability. The big problem is that his fans think he's notably good at everything he turns his hand to, and the sourcing rules apply to positive statements as well as negative ones - David Gerard (talk) 15:31, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

 * and has changed it back to "AI researcher". Which is hard to deny given that's literally Yudkowsky's day job - David Gerard (talk) 11:29, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I hadn't noticed this discussion. Apologies. Also, Eliezer is best known - and scrupulously credited in Nick Bostrom's "Superintelligence" - for exploring IJ Good's idea that recursively self-improving software-based AI will mostly likely lead to human-unfriendly superintelligence. Might the opening better reflect this? As it stands, "popularising the idea of friendly artificial intelligence" is a bit bland. --Davidcpearce (talk) 11:59, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Comment on Article
--Davidcpearce (talk) 17:27, 21 January 2014 (UTC)Eliezer is not an academic. So the question of whether he's a notable academic doesn't arise. The fact Eliezer chooses not to submit his work to academic journals is certainly worth mentioning. But it would be misleading to imply that no academic AI researchers take his work seriously. The one case I know where Eliezer did submit his work to the process of academic peer review was for the recent Springer "Singularity Hypotheses" volume. He ignored the referee's suggestions entirely and simply re-submitted his paper "Friendly Artificial Intelligence" verbatim. Critics might say this displays a certain chutzpah. But the fact the [academic] editors of the volume considered his ideas too important to ignore and published the paper unchanged is suggestive, to say the least. [To spike some guns, I'm highly critical of the IJ Good / MIRI / Yudkowsky conception of posthuman superintelligence. I just found the hostile tone of the entry disconcerting. Thus a Criticisms / Controversies section is indeed appropriate. But is Steven's Bond's collection of ad hominems the most appropriate link?]
 * Although Springer is mainly an academic publisher, the "Singularity Hypotheses" volume is part of "The Frontiers Collection" series aimed at non-expert audiences, it's not an academic journal for primary publication of research papaers. This kind of "special issue" publications often have less strict editorial policies than research journals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.114.88.141 (talk) 13:51, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

--Davidcpearce (talk) 20:37, 18 February 2014 (UTC)True. Even so, the original article (and one now deleted scurrilous link) suggested that no academics take Eliezer's work seriously - which simply isn't the case. He collaborates closely with Prof. Nick Bostrom, for instance. Oxford does not award its chairs lightly.
 * I disagree: Dawkins had a chair there and he hasn't really contributed to his field since the 80s or 90s, barring one time in 2003 where he came out of the woodwork to defend his challenged hypothesis. Inanygivenhole (talk) 01:19, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The point is not whether there exist some academics that have expressed a positive opinion of him and his work, or even collaborated with him. The point is that his work is published outside or at the margin of the academic publishing system and has so far failed to generate significant discussion in this system (peer-reviewed research papers and conferences). Also note that Scott Aaronson and John Baez, while notable in their own fields, are not AI researchers. Neither is Nick Bostrom, who is a professional philosopher in the same "existential risk" business of Yudkowsky. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.114.88.193 (talk) 17:01, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Removing problem templates
This article is using primary self-published sources from Yudkowsky's own website, and sources from possibly-unreliable WP:SPS blogs. This material should be cut if it cannot be referenced to stronger sources. --McGeddon (talk) 10:55, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Ideally, I agree. But the most "prestigious" references aren't necessarily the most informative - especially if they are only print-published rather than online. So yes, the references could be pruned; but (IMO) their absence would make the entry less helpful. What do you reckon? --Davidcpearce (talk) 18:41, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * We're not worried about "prestigiousness", we're worried about verfiability and notability. All citations must be within policy, especially because this is a BLP. The entry is first and foremost supposed to cover the things that Yudkowsky is known for, not (for example) his SAT scores. Inanygivenhole (talk) 00:25, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

I've cleaned it up and moved the publications to their own section, per precedent. I still think the HP fan fiction stuff needs to be looked at, a lot of the sources are blogs that need to be individually examined. Additionally, the Kurzweil citation should be collapsed each into one and page numbers should be cited. Bond's criticism could also be re-included (after a discussion of it). There's also a decent number of technical terms that can probably be wikilinked. Inanygivenhole (talk) 00:00, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I also put the infobox back (looks like it was hastily removed in a revert war, please be more careful in the future), cleaned up some of the prose, and combined the references I noted above. What's left now is to find citations and non-primary sources (especially on his fanfiction, I think that paragraph would do well to not cite mostly blogs). We should also bundle the Brin sources if we end up keeping them. While primary sources are usually acceptable for citing claims about oneself that aren't contentious, non-primary sources are needed in part to demonstrate that the information is worthy of note. For example, in the infobox, while we can say that he works with friendly AI, we cannot say that he is known for it without an independent, reliable source or two saying as much. However, his fanfiction is rather well-known, and we have citations that show this. The "influences" section of the infobox can be cited by a personal statement, preferably on a mailing list or quoted by a reliable source (not goodreads). Oh, and there's a lot of dead links that need fixing. Inanygivenhole (talk) 00:11, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks user Inanygivenhole for the tidying and link maintenance. But I can't be the only critic of Eliezer's work who is disturbed by the venomous nature of some of the attacks - not least the banished Bond link. --Davidcpearce (talk) 02:19, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * As for criticism of Yudkowsky, I do know that he gets a decent amount of heat for his isolation from the academic community. He has a reputation for rarely going through the proper channels (including peer-review) and his ideas are not taken very seriously by most of the academic community, perhaps because of this. It does seem like something that may be worthy of mention, but good sources on this are hard to find in part because he is pretty isolated from the academic community. One last note: it's perfectly fine to have biased or even "venomous" sources in a criticism section (indeed, at times such a thing is unavoidable, e.g., the academic slapfights on Jacques Derrida), so long as they meet the rules for sources. I'm not sure if the Bond link meets the citation guidelines, I'll have to look into it. I suspect that it does not. Inanygivenhole (talk) 00:18, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Edit: It looks like there's some decent sources that we may be able to incorporate into a criticism section at Friendly AI. Inanygivenhole (talk) 00:27, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I think WP:PARITY applies here. If someone is not taken seriously by the academic community, you are permitted to use non-academic sources as sources for criticism. Ken Arromdee (talk) 21:44, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Ken, it's worth stressing that a minority of the academic community - including intellectual heavyweights like Nick Bostrom, Scott Aaronson, John Baez (cf. http://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2011/03/07/this-weeks-finds-week-311/ ) - take Eliezer's work very seriously indeed. The IJ Good / Yudkowsky conception of an Intelligence Explosion deserves to be critiqued (IMO it's mistaken). The deleted Bond link was a poor substitute. --Davidcpearce (talk) 22:30, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It seems that WP:PARITY still applies here. Very few academics even acknowledge Yudkowsky's work, and those who do rarely, if ever, address his work in an academic setting. Inanygivenhole (talk) 21:03, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Over the next month or so I plan to go through the edit history to see if there's anything useful. Inanygivenhole (talk) 08:48, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

RW link
I put it in here, it was taken out here. Editor cited "Per WP:ELNO, and more importantly, WP:ELBLP this is inappropriate." Admittedly, I gave them a cursory look, but I don't see where it violates either. RW is stable and the article trashes his ideas rather than him.Civic Cat (talk) 19:54, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Civic Cat, alas the article ridicules the subject from start to finish. Can we find something that critiques Eliezer Yudkowsky's ideas and work rather than trashes the author?--Davidcpearce (talk) 10:52, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

 * Article on RW in the Esperanto Wikipedia (for what it's worth).Civic Cat (talk) 00:11, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

 * WP:BLP issues aside, WP:ELNO says Open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors. Now if you want to argue that Rational-Wiki, which has its own coined term for when heated, site-wide arguments erupt also has a history of stability, or even that they have a substantial number of editors, be my guest. I've been periodically yanking links to Rational-Wiki (and other non-Wikimedia wikis) for at least two years now, and it's rarely ever contested because it is the right thing to do per policy.  PCHS-NJROTC  (Messages) 17:00, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Let's complete the quote: "Open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors. Mirrors or forks of Wikipedia should not be linked."

The basis of an article for EY in WP doesn't strike me as particularly strong. The external links go to his personal web sites, and some mention from Ray Kurzweil's sites: who has his own credibility issues—didn't he say that by the end of this century strong AI life-forms will outnumber humans (Predictions made by Ray Kurzweil)? Whatever. The point is, this article has a slightly to somewhat spammy, promotional quality to it. The articles in the other languages even more so.

German, Polish, and Russian speaking Wikipedians might have problems going through the mostly English links on their pages—I don't know—I don't know the policies of their Wikipedias—Ich kanne sprecht nicht Deutsch gut, oder veil und schnell, and I can't write my name (neither real nor pseudonym) in Cyrillic; and while supercomputers are great at playing chess and Jeopardy, they are still apparently bad at finding Nigerian girls, lost jet planes, and translating stuff. Therefore, I don't know if the other articles are even more spammy than this one, perhaps even bullshitty. For all I know, those who created this article used Google to create the others, modified them a bit, tailored out the uncertainties, and wah-lah, score a few more for EY and his buddies. Not complaining, I've been tempted to do similar.

I don't know WDF there's a Wikiquote article on EY: it's so lame-ass as to constitute a wank—but, hey, that's just me, a dude who can't even do 50 edits per year on this site (or for that matter RW). Maybe you experts know something I don't, and EY shur rites reel-intelligent-like and in my still largely superficial-on-my-part examination of his sites, I'm impressed with them $50 words. Add this that I tend towards inclusionism and that I too have felt the bitterness of a deleted article (more so on RW), means I'm far from complaining about this article's existence. But this acceptance, this toleration of what I consider to be a somewhat spammy and yes, somewhat POV article, should be countered by a little bitty external link to the RationalWiki article to balance things out to a more NPOV ph rating.

RationalWiki is stable insofar that articles there on subjects such as EY don't experience too many fundamental changes in them over long periods of time. EY has credentials?—such as they are. Some RationalWiki editors have credentials. (You can easily exclude me in that consideration). As for BLP issues, while some of EY's ideas are trashed, and his seeming trashing of those with credentials are trashed, and some of his actions are criticized, it ain't exactly given his home-phone number; or is speculating on his personal life—save a little on education—he being an autodidact.

Now while some exclusionists might suggest my nominating this as an AfD, instead of putting in the RW link, for some of my aforementioned reason(s), I'm not going to take such a dickish route—and it's not at all certain that such would succeed anyway. I'll also check out the links in the article later; but for now, I'll the external link back in. Civic Cat (talk) 16:16, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

 * I am going to remove it. I know from bitter experience that BLPs on RW can be full of lies. It used to have one on me. Dougweller (talk) 18:13, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Are there lies in the article?Civic Cat (talk) 18:41, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * As far as I'm aware, the precedent is that RW is not considered a reliable source. Inanygivenhole (talk) 05:15, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

SAT Score Request for Comment
The SAT scores listed on this page are based on sources that cite Yudkowsky himself as the source of the scores. Given the conflict of interest, should we repeat such a claim as fact without making the source transparent? Further, are SAT scores appropriate at all in a biography? 216.3.101.62 (talk) 17:09, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

 * The 1410 claim comes from the SL4 mailing list owned and moderated by Eliezer Yudkowsky. The actual link is . I've edited the statement to make this clear. And this is probably the source for the 1600. Dougweller (talk) 08:46, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

If no secondary source has reported on this, then there's no reason for us to take note of it. I suggest removing it. Gamaliel ( talk ) 22:38, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * If we can locate a secondary source I believe that the SAT score for Yudkowsky's biography is relevant. This is because the bio has a large focus on his studies and academic achievements. Fraulein451 (talk) 06:14, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Find another (non-affiliated) source. Grognard 123chess456 (talk) 15:06, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I wish we didn't have two sections on the SAT score on this talk page. It's confusing. Is the Damien Broderick source affiliated just because they talked on the same mailing list at one point? Also I can understand saying that Yudkowsky claiming this about himself is self-serving but I'm not sure if Miller citing Yudkowsky's statement as truth is considered the same thing. I think the fact that a professor of economics considers Yudkowsky's claim valid carries some weight. 69.122.30.169 (talk) 19:25, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * What expertise does an econ prof have in determining a claimed SAT score is accurate? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  22:48, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * That is not the main point here, but doesn't his title lend him some credibility? Anyway, I am tired of commenting on this and am not going to do so further. But I thought the info was quite important. 69.124.52.215 (talk) 13:32, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Upcoming book " Rationality: From AI to Zombies"
I had added the following to the article:

A selection of his blogposts is set to be released as an ebook in mid-march 2015 by the Machine Intelligence Research Institute, and will be released as six printbooks at a future date.

But somebody thinks this is "promotional spam", and has removed it, as the same person did with an earlier version of that paragraph I had inserted previously. I don't understand why. There's also going to be an audiobook version, Eliezer Yudkowsky has helped making the book (see this example), and if I recall correctly he has even written some kind of foreword specifically for the book.

--Distelfinck (talk) 23:45, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * We are not here to promote Yudkowsky's upcoming products. WP:CRYSTAL / WP:NOTADVERT / WP:SPS. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  12:49, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

 * His blogposts called "The Less Wrong Sequences" are already notable (there's lots of articles mentioning them, and a goodreads.com page on them), and are mentioned in the article. The book (and its audiobook version) is simply another medium in which a selection of the blogposts are published. --Distelfinck (talk) 16:26, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Self promotion?
Does Wikipedia allow this? Because this whole article reeks of self promotion.Mad hardy (talk) 17:09, 12 March 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mad hardy (talk • contribs) 16:47, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Eliezer Yudkowsky has a Wikipedia account, and his contributions to this article are already known, as indicated at the top of this Talk page. If you care to look through them (there's not many), his contributions have consisted of removing factual mistakes, cleaning up the article (i.e. removing big chunks of low-quality content), and having discussions on the Talk page. He did not make the article, nor does he actively maintain it. Yudkowsky's notability has been discussed in the past, and I do not believe a consensus to delete was reached then. Do you believe he has become less notable since then, or the article's quality gone down? Mechordeus (talk) 04:50, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Blatant publicity of a person with no academic credentials, only opinions and claims. Cross-links to articles promoting his other involvements in Wikipedia articles (which read in a similar style) and his own opinion-based web sites. Delving deeper reveals crankiness similar to that of flat-Earthers. 86.139.218.163 (talk) 09:06, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Controversy section
There needs to be a controversy section added to the page as he has faced many of them with numerous professional Ai readers expressing views that he isn't as credible as he claims to be. These are missing from the page and should be added. Also much of the page is a huge jargon jump that should be rephrased in a more understandable manner Zubin12 (talk) 07:27, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I see that you've moved ahead with your proposed changes. Sections labeled "Controversy" are deprecated in favor of integrating the information into existing sections where appropriate.  — jmcgnh  (talk) (contribs)  00:36, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

 * I note that you seem to be changing spelling to British English in some cases. Some of your additions appear to be unsourced. I think this needs more discussion.  — jmcgnh  (talk) (contribs)  00:40, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

 * The article in the current state is mostly jargon-filled summaries of various papers written by Yudowsky, there isn't any place for the integration of the controversies into the existing page.Zubin12 (talk) 01:17, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * If I saw my clearly to the best way to improve the many problems with this article, I'd try to do them. But I don't. American English vs British English is something that should not be controversial here. Providing sources for the controversy, i.e. the response from someone objecting to Yudkowsky is important, you can't just cite the Yudkowsky comment that started the controversy. Tempests on the LessWrong blog may not rise to the level of being noteworthy. Adding nonsense section titles is disruptive.  — jmcgnh  (talk) (contribs)  03:04, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I apolgize if i sounded too defensive about my contribution and i'll try and add proper citations to somebody objecting to the statment soon.

His recent column in Time where he proposed a full moratorium on new large AI training runs is more than constroversial as well, and I think it should be mentioned in the article. Finstergeist (talk) 20:50, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Current status of marriage
Based on a facebook post of his, I don't think he is married anymore: https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/10156307811769228 Jrincayc (talk) 12:17, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

 * Any RS coverage? - David Gerard (talk) 16:06, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure a facebook post by the person in question is a reliable source for this kind of information Zubin12 (talk) 01:03, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Either way, it is not notable. Since there is no good source to support including his marriage (AFAIK) there is no reason to include the divorce. K . Bog  20:10, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * What do you need a source for to support notability of having been married? We include marriages to non-notable people in other people's bios, so we can include it here too, we are allowed to do that --Distelfinck (talk) 16:40, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I think that a secondary source is required to overrule the presumption in favor of privacy (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Presumption_in_favor_of_privacy, in particular "people who are relatively unknown"). Even the personal website being used as a source by the article doesn't say anything about a marriage as far as I can see. Yes, there's a public FB post, but that's not good enough for Wikipedia, I think it is standard practice to only include this sort of thing if there is a secondary source. Just because some marriages are notable enough for Wikipedia doesn't mean that all of them are.  K . Bog  03:49, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Early life
This section seems too short to be worth including. Thoughts on deleting it? User:Zhoulikan

I deleted the section myself. The summary in the edit history that accompanied its addition showed a clear lack of NPOV and said information was almost wholly irrelevant. 2601:204:D500:ADE0:246D:FE8F:99D6:71AD (talk) 06:02, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Why do we have an academic publications section?
This is a biography, not a resume. Why do we have an academic publications section here? --Molochmeditates (talk) 03:17, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

It’s normal for an article about someone who does research, see for instance Stephen Hawking. We might be including too many though and should change it to “Selected Academic Publications” or something like that. Gbear605 (talk) 09:23, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

 * Selected Academic Works, similar to the Hawking article seems like a better solution --Molochmeditates (talk) 14:29, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Pronunciation
This article desperately needs IPA. 202.138.17.37 (talk) 08:39, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Would someone like to take a stab at it? Here is Eliezer Yudkowsky being introduced --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 12:13, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Done. — SilverLocust (talk) 07:18, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Middle Name
Should his middle name really be "Shlomo"? The edit that introduced that referenced a message  he wrote at 14 years old. This is however the Hebrew version of "Solomon", and in later messages he refers to himself as the English version instead, e.g: here and here.

2001:9B1:26FC:7C00:0:C0:FF:EE (talk) 09:15, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

 * I have addressed this by changing the first sentence to Eliezer S. Yudkowsky and putting a footnote in the Infobox's birth name entry. I will presume that the older preference for Shlomo was the birth name. SilverLocust (talk) 02:36, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

"The Yud" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Hi Kieran. WP:WikiProject Brighton was recently tagged as inactive, although, as I've been doing some Brighton-related stuff, I removed the tag. Can we try and get it going again, or do we close it down?--Voxpuppet (talk • contribs) 12:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks for tidying up the picture I uploaded. I don't like leaving things half done, but had to go out to collect one of the kids halfway through that one, and when I came back to it you'd already done what I had intended to do! Regards Charles01 18:02, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Real life, eh? ;-) It's great to see the various photos you've added recently — it seems very odd that we have so many once-common vehicles without illustrations. I hope we'll see more from you! – Kieran T  ('talk ') 18:07, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Good to see some of them useful / appreciated, especially after yesterday splashing out indelicate quantities of pocket money on a better scanner (for the old 35 mm slides accumulated during my eccentrically focused adolescence) than the one I started with.  I guess buying the cheapest one I could find back in the summer may have been a mistake.  I think the shortage of illustrations, once the cars themselves have mostly rusted away, is at least partly down to the sensitivity of the copyright issues.  I don't pretend to be a copyright expert, but having taken the picture oneself seems to be a relatively reliable 'solution' to the concerns of those who are / do.   I hope. Charles01 20:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I bought myself a nice scanner a few months ago, too. I justified it as an "investment" since I'm planning to preserve all the old "family albums" — including a bunch of 35mm slides which are literally rotting away. I know I'll be coming across a similar... collection ...to the one you've got! – Kieran T ('talk ') 20:47, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
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LDV Accounts
Kierant I have the Company accounts for LDV (which were downloaded off the Companies House website) and is considered public domain. How do I upload the file which will verify the figures? I've uploaded it but not sure how to link it to the LDV article.

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Alice in Wonderland (1999 film)

Alice in Wonderland is a 1999 made-for-television film adaptation of Lewis Carroll's books Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (1865) and Through the Looking-Glass (1871). It was first broadcast on NBC and then shown on British television on Channel 4.

Tina Majorino played the lead role of Alice and a number of well-known performers portrayed the eccentric characters whom Alice meets during the course of the story, including Ben Kingsley, Martin Short, Whoopi Goldberg, Peter Ustinov, Christopher Lloyd, Gene Wilder, George Wendt, Robbie Coltrane and Miranda Richardson. In common with most adaptations of the book, it includes scenes and characters from Through the Looking-Glass.

The film won four Emmy Awards in the categories of costume design, makeup, music composition and visual effects.

The film was re-released as a special edition DVD on March 2, 2010, no special features were included, however the film was restored to its original speed as prior releases suffered from PAL speed up. A rare behind-the-scenes documentary of the film was released to YouTube in 2019, the 20th anniversary of the film's release.

Plot
Alice is unwillingly preparing a presentation of the song "Cherry Ripe" for a garden party. Nagged by her governess (Dilys Laye) and facing stage fright, an audience of strangers and a song she dislikes, Alice runs out of the house and hides in the woods. As clouds fill the sky, an apple falls from the tree and hovers in her face. She then sees the White Rabbit (voiced by Richard Coombs) and follows him down the rabbit hole, landing in Wonderland.

In an attempt to enter a small door and hide in a beautiful garden, Alice shrinks and grows into a giant, floods a room with tears and shrinks to the size of a mouse. She meets Mr Mouse (Ken Dodd) and his avian friends who attend his boring history lecture and participate in a Caucus Race. Alice again encounters the White Rabbit, who directs her to his house. Alice finds a bottle of liquid which makes her grow and traps her in the house. The White Rabbit and his gardeners Pat (Jason Byrne) and Bill (Paddy Joyce) attempt to remove Alice but she shrinks to a tiny size.

Wandering in long grass, she meets Major Caterpillar (Ben Kingsley), who tells her not to be afraid when performing. After he transforms into many butterflies, Alice returns to normal size by eating part of his mushroom. In a nearby manor house she meets the musical Duchess (Elizabeth Spriggs), her baby, her pepper-obsessed, plate-throwing cook (Sheila Hancock) and the Cheshire Cat (Whoopi Goldberg). The baby is left in Alice's care but turns into a pig and she lets him go. The Cheshire Cat advises Alice to visit the Mad Hatter and his friend the March Hare.

Meeting the two and their Dormouse friend at a tea party, Alice is given advice on the fun of performing and how to get around stage fright. The Mad Hatter (Martin Short) leaps onto the table to perform as he previously had at a concert of the wicked Queen of Hearts. Alice leaves when the Mad Hatter and March Hare start to cause havoc and stuff the Dormouse in a teapot.

Alice once again finds the small door and this time manages to enter the garden, which unfortunately turns out to be a labyrinth maze belonging to the Queen of Hearts (Miranda Richardson). The Queen invites her to a bizarre game of croquet, but her love for beheading people annoys Alice. The Cheshire Cat's face appears in the air and is ordered to be executed, but Alice's logic stays the order and everyone applauds her. Alice escapes the croquet game and meets the Gryphon (voiced by Donald Sinden) and Mock Turtle (Gene Wilder). The two sing with Alice, encouraging her and teaching her the Lobster Quadrille dance. Alice then wanders away and opens a colossal book and walks into an illustration of the woods, making her in the woods. She meets the White Knight (Christopher Lloyd) who fights against a Red Knight, who encourages her to be brave when she goes home.

Alice meets some talking flowers: a Tiger-Lily (voiced by Joanna Lumley), the most sensible of all, some roses, who are rude and not too bothered about Alice being lost, and some daisies, who are rascals. Having the flowers help her, Alice walks off and meets Tweedledum and Tweedledee (Robbie Coltrane and George Wendt), who have some antics with her such as telling the story of The Walrus and the Carpenter before getting into a fight. Alice is then chased by clouds and taken by a pair of card soldiers to the royal court, where the Knave of Hearts (Jason Flemyng) is put on trial for apparently stealing the Queen's tarts. Alice is then called to the stand, but she uses some mushroom to grow to great heights. Upon seeing the tarts have been untouched and the trial is pointless, she openly criticises the Queen and King Cedric. The White Rabbit, who is present at the court, reveals he lured Alice into Wonderland to conquer her fears and asks her if she has self-confidence. Upon Alice answering yes, he states, "then you don't need us anymore." She is then sent back home by the same hovering apple and clouds that brought her there.

Awakening back home seconds after the apple fell, Alice courageously sings in front of her parents and their guests (who all resemble the Wonderland characters), but instead of singing "Cherry Ripe", she sings the Lobster Quadrille. The audience, to Alice's delight, all enjoy her performance. Alice spots her cat Dinah in the audience, who is really the Cheshire Cat who grins at her in congratulations.

Cast

 * Tina Majorino as Alice – A curious young girl who is nervous and unenthusiastic about performing the song Cherry Ripe at her parents' party in the beginning. After her adventures in Wonderland, she finds the confidence to sing.
 * Miranda Richardson as Queen of Hearts – A childish queen whose only way of dealing with anger is to shout "Off with their heads!" She occasionally screams in a very high pitch as a persuasive tactic. At the Knave's trial, she hosts a croquet game involving hedgehog balls and flamingo mallets. The trial turned out to be held under unfounded pretenses.
 * Martin Short as the Mad Hatter – A mad haberdasher whose tea party Alice happens upon. Other party guests are the March Hare and the Dormouse. The Hatter and the March Hare are quite rude to Alice, insulting her several times and shooing her away. Nevertheless, the Mad Hatter performs a bizarre rendition of "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" for Alice. He informs Alice that he once sang the same piece during the Queen's concert but was sent away because she was offended by his performance. The Mad Hatter was also called as a witness to the Knave's trial, where he reprised his performance, further angering the queen and causing her to chase him away as she shouted "off with his head!" Presumably, he and the March Hare escaped decapitation again due to their speed.
 * Whoopi Goldberg as the Cheshire Cat – A grinning cat who teaches Alice "the rules" of Wonderland. She was also one of the few characters who was nice to Alice. Her favorite pastime is appearing and disappearing.
 * Simon Russell Beale as The King of Hearts – The foolish husband of the Queen who constantly tries to be like his wife and fawns over her.
 * Ken Dodd as Mr Mouse – A very kind, funny and wise mouse who tries to get Alice dry with a very boring lecture. When it fails, the Dodo suggests that they have a caucus race. Mr Mouse is last seen going home, along with his friends, for a cup of hot chocolate.
 * Gene Wilder as The Mock Turtle – A weird type of turtle who often cries on remembering his moments at his school in the sea. He sings two songs to Alice: The Lobster Quadrille and Beautiful Soup. His best friend is the Gryphon.
 * Francis Wright as the voice of the March Hare – The Mad Hatter's mad tea party companion. His costume scared Tina Majorino because of the asymmetrical eyes. His puppetry was performed by Adrian Getley, Robert Tygner and Francis Wright.
 * George Wendt and Robbie Coltrane as Tweedledee and Tweedledum, respectively – Two fat brothers who tell Alice the story of The Walrus and the Carpenter. After this, Ned Tweedledum finds his new rattle spoiled, which he thinks was spoiled by Fred Tweedledee. They have a brief battle which is interrupted by a monstrous crow which scares them away.
 * Richard Coombs as the voice of the White Rabbit – A human-sized rabbit who is always running late. He serves as herald to the Queen and King. Alice also got stuck in his house in the film. He was performed by Kiran Shah and Richard Coombs.
 * Christopher Lloyd as The White Knight – A kind knight who invented a lunchbox which he carries upside down so the sandwiches in it do not get wet. Alice points out that since it is upside down, and the lid is not closed, the sandwiches will fall out. He replies with, "So that's what happened to my sandwiches." He is also not very good at riding his horse.
 * Elizabeth Spriggs as The Duchess – A duchess who is first seen nursing a baby which turns into a pig. Her pet is the Cheshire Cat. She was occasionally kind to Alice.
 * Ken Sansom as The Baby – A baby wailing turning into a pig.
 * Ben Kingsley as Major Caterpillar – A caterpillar major who is first seen smoking a hookah. He gives Alice advice on how to be brave on singing.
 * Peter Ustinov and Pete Postlethwaite as The Walrus and the Carpenter, respectively – Two characters in the Tweedles' story.
 * Donald Sinden as the voice of the Gryphon – A creature (with a look of both lion and eagle) who is the Mock Turtle's best friend. He shows Alice to him and used to go to school in the sea with the Mock Turtle. The Gryphon was operated by puppeteers David Alan Barclay, Adrian Getley, Adrian Parish, Mark Hunter and Robert Tygner.
 * Jason Flemyng as The Knave of Hearts – The King and Queen's nephew and a clueless knave who is accused of stealing the Queen's tarts. The Queen constantly refers to him as an idiot.
 * Jason Byrne and Paddy Joyce as Pat and Bill the Lizard, respectively – The White Rabbit's two loyal Irish gardeners. Pat is very reluctant to do his job while Bill is a little more trustworthy.
 * Liz Smith, Ken Campbell, Heathcote Williams and Peter Bayliss as Miss Lory, Mr Duck, Mr Eaglet and Mr Dodo, respectively. – The Mouse's group of friends who are in the caucus race.
 * Joanna Lumley as Tiger Lily – A very talkative flower who gives Alice directions.
 * Sheila Hancock as The Cook – The Duchess's crazy cook who enjoys putting pepper in her meals. She also likes throwing dishes at Alice and the Duchess.
 * Murray Melvin as Executioner – The Queen's chief executioner who argues that it would be impossible to behead the Cheshire Cat because the animal doesn't have a body.
 * Nigel Plaskitt as the voice of the Dormouse – The Mad Hatter and March Hare's tea party companion who is asleep through most of the tea party scene. He seems to have a fondness for treacle and was later stuffed into a teapot by his companions. His puppeteers were Nigel Plaskitt and David Alan Barclay.
 * Nigel Plaskitt as the voice of the Pig Baby – A rather ugly baby who is first seen being nursed by the Duchess. He soon turns into a pig. Puppeteered by Adrian Parish.
 * Peter Eyre and Hugh Lloyd as the Frog and Fish Footmen – Two footmen who were first seen standing in front of the Duchess's house. The Fishface handed the Frogface an invitation for the Duchess to play croquet, then walked away. The Frogface was also rather stupid.
 * Matthew Sim, Jonathan Broadbent and Christopher Ryan as the Rose Painting Cards – The three cards were first seen painting white roses red because they accidentally planted them white and if the Queen found out she would behead them. The Queen soon found out and Alice saved them by hiding them in her pocket.
 * Gerard Naprous as the Red Knight – A knight who challenges the White Knight to a fight. In the end, they decided not to fight anymore. The Red Knight then leaves on his horse.
 * Janine Eser as Alice's mother
 * Jeremy Brudenell as Alice's father
 * Mary Healey as Nanny
 * Dilys Laye as Governess
 * John Owens as Red Bishop
 * Christopher Greet as White Castle

Special effects
The film utilized both puppetry and live-action footage. The puppet designs were created by Jim Henson's Creature Shop.

In all, 875 special digital effects were created for the film. An example is Martin Short's head; it was enlarged to three times its size to resemble the Hatter in Tenniel's illustrations.

In December 2018, composer Richard Hartley was interviewed for Tammy Tuckey's "Rattling the Stars" podcast about his work on the film for the 20th anniversary, providing never-before-heard stories.

In 2019, a behind the scenes documentary of the film was released on YouTube, which had originally been broadcast on the Hallmark Channel (then known as Odyssey Network) in 1999 and had not been included on any VHS, DVD, or digital releases of the film.

Reception
The original NBC airing averaged a 14.8 household rating and a 22 percent audience share and was watched by 25.34 million viewers, ranking as the 6th highest rated program that week in terms of households and the most watched program that week in terms of total viewers.

Critical response
On review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes, the film has an approval rating of 33% based on 6 critical reviews.

David Zurawik gave the film a positive review in The Baltimore Sun, calling it a "grand and magical production" and praising the cast's performances, particularly Majorino and Wilder. Rating the film 2 out of 5 stars, David Parkinson of Radio Times praised the "wondrous Jim Henson puppetry" and the performances of Richardson and Wilder; however, he found the film "still falls short of the cherished images taken from those first readings of Lewis Carroll's classic tales."

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Transwiki to Wikitravel is not possible since GFDL is incompatible with the Creative Commons license used at Wikitravel. Sjakkalle (Check!)  07:13, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

List of natural gas filling stations in Germany
This was originally posted here in German with the sad message (in English): ''this is a German article which is persecuted by some German admins. They are trying to reduce the freedom of Wikipedia by deleting articles they dislike. So please secure this article out of their range.'' Thanks to those who translated and tidied it but (and here I write as a user not an admin ) this English user is going to take up where the Germans left off. Un-encyclopedic. Move to Wikitravel. (Previous AfD debate.) -- RHaworth 02:07, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, if there are only two of them in Berlin, they are notable enough to be worth mentioning. Kappa 02:41, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The German AfD tells us there are 600 in the country, and this website lists a dozen in Berlin. Pilatus 08:11, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: The list is probably incomplete; the German text included a plea to add more entries, which I didn't translate. Also, if someone wants to speedy delete this using a combination of A4 and A7 I – the only significant contributor of non-reposted content – request its deletion. Otherwise, I abstain. – FJG 08:04, 4 October 2005 (UTC) (originally placed under the wrong vote)

 * Delete Wikipedia is not a travel guide used to list the location of all natural gas and petrol stations in Europe. WikiTravel can be used for these types of posts.  Perhaps the author should be directed there? will381796 02:57, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm not going to go so far as to say "delete", but if there are only two and that makes them notable, then perhaps this is a better article topic than list topic? — mendel ☎ 02:59, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Transwiki to Wikitravel and then delete. It's very useful to know where one can get natural gas for automobiles in Germany, but it's not encyclopedic. --Angr/undefined 07:09, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This isn't a grab-bag of data and unmaintainable to boot. Pilatus 08:11, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete indiscriminate collections of information -- red stucco 09:06, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Transwiki to Wikitravel and then delete per Angr. feydey 09:45, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Just no. Gamaliel 11:21, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nomination. utcursch | talk 11:29, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Transwikification to Wikitravel (by anyone other than the original author xemself) is not legally permissible, because of Wikitravel's choice of GFDL-incompatible copyright licence. To all of the editors arguing for transwikification: Please choose another course of action. Uncle G 12:00, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure a list like this can really be copyrighted. Kappa 15:18, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not encyclopedic. android  79  13:06, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Useful? Possibly.  Content that belongs in an encyclopedia?  No.  This would be like making a List of stores that sell cherry soda article. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  13:57, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NOT an indiscriminate collection of information --JAranda | yeah 18:59, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. Perhaps useful to someone, but not to us. Since transwiki apparently isn't an option, I say... Delete --Optichan 19:53, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Transwiki to Wikitravel (perhaps a link to the Wikitravel article under transport in Germany could be acceptable) unless there are enough notable stations to justify a list on Wikipedia. — Instantnood 21:07, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Pilatus. It's significant if there are only two; 600 makes it indiscriminate information. Z iggurat  22:42, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete I'd be far more interested in seing a List of unnatural gas filling stations in Germany anyway. Grutness...  wha?  00:52, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete collection original; no Transwiki per Uncle G, however recommend author recreate article in Wikitravel from scratch. --Kgf0 20:46, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete It belongs in Wikitravel if anyplace, and since transwiki is not option, just simply delete. Caerwine 03:39, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
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Something like Amour/Ohne Dich? Irdepesca572 21:31, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

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This article could really use some links to standards and such. --User:Anonymous 02:08, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

NPOV
Is this article NPOV? Perhaps reliability does always favor InnoDB, but it sounds a bit like bias to me.
 * In terms of reliability, it is NPOV. More or less, InnoDB was designed with reliability over speed, MyISAM with the reverse.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.33.22.52 (talk) 20:37, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Official Website
innodb.com is no longer working -- it was replaced by spam site w/ google ads I removed it from the article.
 * working fine here. replaced it for now.84.9.210.27 21:44, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Disadvantages of innoDB?
I know InnoDB has some advantages over MyISAM but there are at least two disadvantages too. The first one is speed but I'm not really sure how bad this is. More importantly: MyISAM allows for FULLTEXT indexes and InnoDB does not. For me this made the descision between the two (mainly transactions of InnoDB versus FULLTEXT indexes in MyISAM) most difficult. Also a difference is table locking: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/table-locking.html

I think some info about these things should be added but I'm not a wikipedian. ;-) --t0maz 14:30, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

 * The whole section is ridiculous. As the page stands there's almost no information about InnoDB other than contrasting it to MyISAM. Even if it's neutral, it's not an encyclopedia page.--MijinLaw (talk) 15:47, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Oracle: Index Organized Tables (IOT)
This article has a typo, "index clustered tables". And the idea of "similar to Oracle" is repeated in many other places (even published books).

First, it does not correspond to Oracle feature called Index Organized Tables (IOT). In Oracle, only a part of composite primary key and/or any other index should be used for index organized tables, for better performance and "less" storage requirements (storage is used differently). Also, data is written in "blocks" in Oracle, and each block has an address ("index-organized" in this case). So that "similar items" are written in a single and/or subsequent physical blocks. Different items are written in different blocks. Using primary key for index organized tables does not have any meaning in Oracle, it won't improve performance etc.

In InnoDB, the whole primary key is used for "index-organized" tables, and there is no "block", etc. (Am I right?)

Very difficult to compare Microsoft SQL with Oracle's index organized table feature... Oracle has unique physical-layer architecture (data blocks, tablespaces) and index organized tables is very natural subsequent feature...

Suppose we have simple table for banking application, ACCOUNT_ID, TRANSACTION_ID, MONEY_TRANSFERRED. Primary key is (ACCOUNT_ID, TRANSACTION_ID). In Oracle, ACCOUNT_ID should be used for index-organized table definition. Physically, for five records for the same ACCOUNT_ID written in a same block(s), ACCOUNT_ID will be written only once. Once for 5 records. In InnoDB, it will be written 5 times. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Funtick (talk • contribs) 14:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC).

Mistake in the page
Hello This part from the article:

''When operating in fully ACID-compliant modes, InnoDB must do a flush to disk at least once per transaction, though it will combine flushes for inserts from multiple connections. For typical hard drives or arrays, this will impose a limit of about 200 update transactions per second. If you require higher transaction rates, disk controllers with write caching and battery backup will be required in order to maintain transactional integrity. InnoDB also offers several modes which reduce this effect, naturally leading to a loss of transactional integrity. MyISAM has none of this overhead, but only because it does not support transactions.'' is not true and can lead to some mistakes. The correct is that innodb must write to disk at the end of each transaction (commit/rollback). Before that the changes are only written in the log buffer, which is written to the disk when there is a commit or when the buffer is full. That way the writes on the hard drives do not occur with each statement but with each transaction and the writes itself are contiguous in the log file so they are fast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.18.249.150 (talk) 06:25, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see the problem, the quote talks about transactions, not changes as you seem to have read. "InnoDB must do a flush to disk at least once per transaction" is correct, which mean it flushes the log buffer to disk at the end of each transaction, as you said. This can be a severe bottleneck when you have hundreds of threads. MyISAM on the other hand generally just passes changes on to the OS's disk buffer to write as it wishes. --Foxyshadis (talk) 03:21, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

New article? Comparison of MySQL Storage Engines
I would appreciate input on this discussion! ~ Josh "Duff Man" (talk) 16:59, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was DELETE. — J I P | Talk 18:02, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Something's Awful

 * Delete, a defunct parody of a website is not wikipedia material. Citizen Premier 02:10, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * This afd nomination was orphaned. Listing now.  Delete, website vanity. —Cryptic (talk) 08:33, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Doesnt belong here.  Ban e  s  10:25, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Not encyclopediac--Sean Jelly Baby? 02:18, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete junk --Rogerd 03:45, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: it's dead, so there's no easy way to find out if it was ever worth an article. If evidence emerges, try again. Phil | Talk 11:10, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Might be worth a Redirect to Something Awful with no merge, just to avoid potential confusion. User: Colin Kimbrell 21:07, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
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Fairmont Hot Springs

Fairmont Hot Springs may refer to:

 * Fairmont Hot Springs, British Columbia
 * Fairmont Hot Springs Airport, adjacent to the British Columbia community
 * Fairmont Hot Springs, Montana, United States
 * Fairmont Hot Springs Resort, resort in Fairmont Hot Springs
 * Fairmont Hot Springs (thermal spring) formerly known as Gregson Hot Springs

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Chhau dance

Chhau, also spelled Chhou, is a semi classical Indian dance with martial and folk traditions. It is found in three styles named after the location where they are performed, i.e. the Purulia Chhau of West Bengal, the Seraikella Chhau of Jharkhand and the Mayurbhanj Chhau of Odisha.

The dance ranges from celebrating martial arts, acrobatics and athletics performed in festive themes of a folk dance, to a structured dance with religious themes found in Shaivism, Shaktism and Vaishnavism. The costumes vary between the styles, with Purulia and Serakeilla using masks to identify the character. The stories enacted by Chhau dancers include those from the Hindu epics the Ramayana and the Mahabharata, the Puranas and other Indian literature.

The dance is traditionally an all males troupe, regionally celebrated particularly during spring every year, and may be a syncretic dance form that emerged from a fusion of classical Hindu dances and the traditions of ancient regional tribes. The dance brings together people from diverse socio-economic backgrounds in a festive and religious spirit.

Etymology
Chhau is a dance style originating from the regions of East India. It may have been derived from Sanskrit Chāya (shadow, image or mask). Others link it to the Sanskrit root Chadma (disguise), yet others such as Sitakant Mahapatra suggest it is derived from Chhauni (military camp, armour, stealth) in Odia language.

Features of Chhau
The Chhau dance is mainly performed during festivals in the region of Jharkhand, West Bengal and Odisha, especially the spring festival of Chaitra Parva and in which the whole community participates. The Purulia Chhau dance is celebrated during the Sun festival. Masks form an integral part of Chhau dance in Purulia and Seraikella styles. The knowledge of dance, music and mask-making is transmitted orally. The Chhau dance found in northern Odisha does not use masks during the dance, but they do when the artists first appear on the stage for introduction to the audience.

The two styles of Chhau dance that use masks, blend within it forms of both dance and martial practices employing mock combat techniques (called khel), stylised gaits of birds and animals (called chalis and topkas) and movements based on the chores of village housewives (called uflis). This form of the Chhau dance, states Mohan Khokar, has no ritual or ceremonial meaning, it is a form of community celebration and entertainment.

The dance is performed by male dancers, at night in an open space, called akhada or asar. The dance is rhythmic and set to traditional folk music, played on the reed pipes mohuri and shehnai. A variety of drums accompany the music ensemble including the dhol (a cylindrical drum), dhumsa (a large kettle drum) and kharka or chad-chadi. The themes for these dances include local legends, folklore and episodes from the Ramayana and Mahabharata and other abstract themes.

The precursors of Chhau dance (especially Purulia style) were not only Paika and Natua, but Nachni dance also played an important role in giving Chhau its present identity. Chhau dance borrows the female gaits and movements from the Nachni dance almost exclusively (Bhattacharya, 1983, Chakravarti, 2001, Kishore, 1985). The female dance elements in Chhau introduced the aspects of Lasya Bhava from the Natya Shastra that brought elegance, sensuality, and beauty in the dance form, whereas, the virile male dance movement is attributed to the Shiva's tandava style of dance (Bose 1991). There are different interpretations to tandava and lasya. I have above-mentioned the most commonly accepted definition of tandava and lasya above. Bose foregrounds the debate between the relation of lasya and tandava critically in his analysis of dance in Sanskrit texts. See Bose, Mandakranta.

Three styles of Chhau
The Seraikella Chhau developed in Seraikela, when it was under the rule of Kalinga's Gajapati Rule the present day administrative headquarters of the Seraikela Kharsawan district of Jharkhand, the Purulia Chhau in Purulia district of West Bengal and the Mayurbhanj Chhau in Mayurbhanj district of Odisha. The most prominent difference among the three subgenres is regarding the use of masks. While, the Seraikela and Purulia subgenres of Chhau use masks during the dance, the Mayurbhanj Chhau uses none.

The Seraikella Chhau's technique and repertoire were developed by the erstwhile nobility of this region who were both its performers and choreographers, and in the modern era people from all backgrounds dance it. The Seraikella Chhau is performed with symbolic masks, and the acting establishes the role the actor is playing. The Purulia Chhau uses extensive masks shaped in the form of the character being played; for example, a lion character has a face mask of lion and body costumes too with the actor walking on all fours. These masks are crafted by potters who make clay images of Hindu gods and goddesses and is primarily sourced from the Purulia district of West Bengal. In the Mayurbhanj Chhau is performed without masks and is technically similar to the Seraikella Chhau.

Recognition
In 2010, the Chhau dance was inscribed in the UNESCO's Representative List of the Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity.

The Government of Odisha established the Government Chhau Dance Centre in 1960 in Seraikella and the Mayurbhanj Chhau Nritya Pratisthan at Baripada in 1962. These institutions engage in training involving local gurus, artists, patrons and representatives of Chhau institutions and sponsor performances. The Chaitra Parva festival, significant to the Chhau Dance, is also sponsored by the state government. The Sangeet Natak Akademi has established a National Centre for Chhau Dance at Baripada, Odisha.

In popular culture
The Hindi film Barfi! has several scenes that features the Purulia Chhau in it.

Chhau mask
Purulia Chhau Dance is listed on UNESCO's world heritage list of dances. The main difference between the Purulia Chhau and Mayurbhanj Chhau is in the use of the mask. Purulia Chhau uses masks in dance, but Mayurbhanj Chhau does not have masks thereby adding facial expression with body movements and gestures. Traditionally, the chhau dance is held during mid-march when one agricultural circle ends and a new circle begins. Purulia Chhau dancers wear the earthy and theatrical mask which represent the mythological characters. After making the shape of mask with clay, it is coloured and decorated with Shola and other things.

The Chhau mask of Purulia is registered under Geographical Indications. As the basic difference of Purulia Chhau the mask is unique and traditional.

These chhau masks are made by the artists by the Sutradhar community. The making of a mask goes through various stages. 8-10 layers of soft paper, immersed in diluted glue, are pasted one after another on the mould before the mud mould is dusted with fine ash powder. The facial features are made of clay. A special layer of mud and cloth is applied and the mask is then sun-dried. After this, the mould is polished and the second round of sun drying is done before separating the layers of cloth and paper from the mould. After finishing and drilling of holes for the nose and eyes, the mask is coloured and decorated.

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Give Love on Christmas Day

"Give Love on Christmas Day" is a Christmas song first recorded by Motown Records' family quintet the Jackson 5. Written by the label's songwriting-producing team, The Corporation (Berry Gordy, Alphonzo Mizell, Christine Perren, Freddie Perren and Deke Richards), the song was recorded for the Jackson brothers' 1970 seasonal album, entitled Jackson 5 Christmas Album. The song was well received critically upon release of the album. The festive track went on to be covered by groups such as The Temptations, Yolanda Adams, Ledisi, New Edition, BlackGirl, and solo artists such as Coko (and her group SWV), and Johnny Gill.

Production
"Give Love on Christmas Day" was written by the Motown Records' producing-writing team known as "The Corporation". The Jacksons' hit singles such as "I Want You Back", "ABC" and "The Love You Save" had been written by the Motown team months earlier, and had aided the five brothers in becoming the first black teen idols. The festive track was included on The Jackson 5 Christmas Album, released in 1970. Other songs on the album included "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas", "Up on the Housetop", "Frosty the Snowman", "The Christmas Song", "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer" and "Christmas Won't Be the Same This Year".

Release and reception
In 1986, the song gained release as a CD single in the United States, in order to promote the release of the first CD version of The Jackson 5 Christmas Album.

In a review of Jackson 5 Christmas Album, Lynn Norment of the African American-orientated magazine Ebony described Michael Jackson's vocals on the track—along with the songs "The Little Drummer Boy", "Santa Claus Is Coming to Town" and "I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus"—as sounding "angelic". Billboard, also reviewing the quintet's seasonal album, stated that "Give Love On Christmas Day", as well as the song "Someday at Christmas", were both "potent numbers".

title: Give Love on Christmas Day


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Class-T amplifier

Class T was a registered trademark for a switching (class-D) audio amplifier, used for Tripath's amplifier technologies (patent filed on Jun 20, 1996). Similar designs have now been widely adopted by different manufacturers.

Amplifier
The covered products use a class-D amplifier combined with proprietary techniques to control the pulse-width modulation to produce what is claimed to be better performance than other class-D amplifier designs. Among the publicly disclosed differences is real time control of the switching frequency depending on the input signal and amplified output. One of the amplifiers, the TA2020, was named one of the twenty-five chips that 'shook the world" by the IEEE Spectrum magazine.

The control signals in Class T amplifiers may be computed using digital signal processing or fully analog techniques. Currently available implementations use a loop similar to a higher order Delta-Sigma (ΔΣ) (or sigma-delta) modulator, with an internal digital clock to control the sample comparator. The two key aspects of this topology are that (1), feedback is taken directly from the switching node rather than the filtered output, and (2), the higher order loop provides much higher loop gain at high audio frequencies than would be possible in a conventional single pole amplifier.

Financial difficulties caused Tripath to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on 8 February 2007. Tripath's stock and intellectual property were purchased later that year by Cirrus Logic.

Products and applications
Tripath used to sell the amplifiers as chips, or as chipsets, to be integrated into products by other companies in several countries. For example:
 * Sony, Panasonic and Blaupunkt use them in several car stereos and integrated home cinema systems
 * Apple Computer used them in their Power Mac G4 Cube, Power Mac G4 (Digital audio), eMac and iMac (Flat Panel) computers
 * Audio Research, an audio electronics company, formerly an exclusive tube circuit specialist, produced a Tripath-based audiophile amplifier.
 * Virtue Audio used them in their ONE, TWO, and Sensation range of amplifiers from around 2008–2014.

title: Class-T amplifier