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Talk:Tulu people

Are there really any tulu christians
hey there aren't any tulu christians left anywhere.most are assimilated with konkani catholics or are reconverted to hindu faith.the madhva monastries and Hindu nationalism is pretty strong a force in mangalore.though there are a few koraga christians,but koraga is listed as a separate language.They can't be added as tuluva.Tulu culture is pretty much hindu and the remaining jain.Koragas are listed as a separate ehtnic group though they associate more with tulu than kannada.what is Tulu chritian culture?.Most protestant churches sing kannada konkani hyms not tulu except the pavoor church.Beary muslims can be classified as Tulu since beary find mention even in paddanas.there  is  vibrant mangalorean konkani christian culture not tulu.Muskeeter8 (talk) 03:49, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Please add new sections to the bottom of the page. Or just click on "New Section" to add a new topic. There are Christians among Tulus. I had added a referece some time back but someone removed it. I have added it back. Hope that erases any doubts. --Deepak D'Souza 05:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

i doubt there are tulu christiansAttagirl (talk) 05:14, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree that some ethnicities have strong relations with a particular religion. For example, the Arab identity is strongly related with Islam. Likewise, the Tuluva identity is strongly related with Hinduism and Jainism. But on Wikipedia, irrespective of what anyone considers, all religions have to be represented. Forget Christianity, even if there any Muslim Tuluvas or Buddhist Tuluvas, even they have to be mentioned.

 * Bulletin, Volume 25, Issues 1-4, p. 41
 * Google Book search on Tulu Protestants Kensplanet TC 05:18, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

 * 2001 statistics of Tulu Nadu from the Diocese of Mangalore clearly states that there are 60,434 Protestants. Are you trying to say, none are Tulu-speaking.  Kensplanet TC 05:24, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Seriously doubt the presence of Tulu christains, most of the articles on the net do not mention any thing about Tulu Christains, except for the sources provided above most of which are christain sites. We need some neutral source. The word Christian can be taken out of the infobox and be mentioned in the para.188.54.84.236 (talk) 18:31, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I personally know a couple of Tuluva Catholics and Protestants.  Joyson Prabhu  Holla at me!   10:41, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

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 * IP dont delete the majority of the article when you disagree with somone, it looks like an edit war in the article history, ive removed the warnings linguistic gave you, but it looks like you may have a history of blanking articles to cause an edit war, don't do that please--Lerdthenerd (talk) 18:59, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for removing the warning issued by Linguistic to me. I have no intension to start an edit war. My point is large edits as the one made by linguistic needs to be discussed. Until a discussion is made, let the original version be in the article.188.54.14.205 (talk) 13:17, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

what is the problem with the content.you mean to say other communities are irrelevant even if they have articles.that's not how wiki works see Malayali article.anyways this article is stub.expansion is required.`13:26, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

This article is about Tuluvas and a brief description of each communities is not required. Each community has its own page and is hyperlinked. So anyone who wants to know more about the communities can click on the hyperlink. Also description of each community make this article looks un-encyclopedic. 188.52.8.156 (talk) 05:45, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

sorry but all you have done with your dynamic ip is remove hyper links of shivalli brahmins,tuluva gowda,devadiga,sthanika brahmins etc.that is pure vandalism.do you think i don't see the edit history.the article is a stub description abt various communities does not violate any rule.and also please stop removing kannada fonts from other articles. Linguistic ''' Geek 07:02, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

While I have removed the hyper links, I have stated the reason. You could have contested the edit there and then itself. This discussion is about the current edit. Don't bring in old issues. We can have a discussion for it also. Now by adding brief descriptions of various communities does not violate any rule, by definitely it make the article look shabby and un-encyclopedic. Discussing the edit and comming to conclusion is better than protecting the article. 188.52.8.156 (talk) 07:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

not even a single edit of yours on this article has been constructive.your reasons are invalid.all communities are notable if they have articles.and old issues?.you edit behaviour shows all you are intersted is in vandalizing and removing other people's referenced content with citation.you don't even discuss which is a violation of wikipedia policy and also use multiple ips to avoid detection.read wikipedia rules before you come again to edit this or any other related page.also see this Malayali page.the format is pretty good and it has all malayalam speaking communities mentioned.and what shabbiness ?.the article is stub.expanding it makes the article look better and you are clearly not interested in expanding or improving.all you do is remove content or kannada fonts. Linguistic ''' Geek 08:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Why are you just referring only to the Malayali article. Why don't you refer to other articles pertaining to other linguistic groups. None of these articles have any brief description of communities. Your reference to only the Malayali are seems absurd. More over the Malayali article is not even a featured article to hold it as a reference for the Tuluvas article. Yes I have made previous edits according to what I think is right. If anyone has an issue with the edits, they have to contest the edits I made then and there it self. This discussion is contesting your edit where in you have put brief description of each community. Lets stick to it.188.52.8.156 (talk) 08:30, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

first stop sock puppeting and using multiple ips and this account User:PDheeru.secondly your edit behaviour has been contested see Kasaragod Town page and also warnings on pdheeru user page.also what you are doing is not just removing description but even links of other communities.there are only abt 40000 jain bunts and you are keeping it and removing other communties who have their population in lacks.thats absurd. Linguistic ''' Geek 08:38, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Jains Bunts are mentioned just because they are Jains. Showing a uniqueness. You need to read the para completely to understand the essence of it. It has nothing to with population.188.52.8.156 (talk) 08:41, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

all communities have their own uniqueness,removing them does not make sense.you said only major communities should be added.you are contradicting yourself now.and also you haven't explained your previous edit behaviours including starting edits wars . Linguistic ''' Geek

No, I never started an edit war. It was you who tried to avoid a discussion challenging your edit by issuing me a warning. From the begining my stand was to restore the article the original form and discuss your edits. You were simply reverting and calling my edits vandalism.188.52.8.156 (talk) 08:49, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

how funny.i am not the person who uses mutiple ips and accounts and removes content without leaving edits summaries. Linguistic ''' Geek 08:51, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

You need to check the history page and see for your self what you have been doing. Jains need to be mentioned since it is a religion rather than a community. My point was we cannot list all the communities, hence mentioning the major ones188.52.8.156 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC).

the jains are a community.part of the bunt caste traditionally.your removing of other communitieslinks perhaps stems from your dislike towards them and also kannada fonts. Linguistic ''' Geek 08:56, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Requesting you to stick to the topic. Jains are a community but also a religious community. Mentioning Jains brings out the fact that there is small community of Jain Tuluvas. Hence need to be mentioned. Please note I do not have any dislike toward any community.188.52.8.156 (talk) 09:02, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

They are jain bunts (bunts speak both tulu and kannada) and historically jains have used kannada and sanskrit as their official langauge.while the shivalli brahmins used what is now called Tulu script historically tigliari.and you are removing brahmins.funny. Linguistic ''' Geek 09:06, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Since this discussion is pertaining to the brief description of each communities I suggest replacing the said section with this 'The majority of Tuluvas are Hindus who are subdived into various communities namely Bunts, Mogaveera, Billava, Shivalli Brahmins, Devadigas and others. There is a small population of landlords who follow Jainism'188.52.8.156 (talk) 09:11, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

yes that is what i have made brief description of four major communities brahmin,bunt(both hindu and jain) mogaveera and billava and minor description of smaller communities like sthanika devadiga and tulu gowda.who have articles.also don't forget they are more tulu caste like pambada,nalke,mundala etc who don't have articles therefore not listed.every community with article should be listed.a brief description of each community is good enough.it lets readers know how they are different.completely enclopaedic. Linguistic ''' Geek 09:17, 12 November 2010 (UTC) We need to do away with the brief description, since all have hyperlink188.52.8.156 (talk) 09:22, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

the article is already a stub.it needs content don't you realise.and you aren't adding any sourced content are you ? with citationss not original research. Linguistic ''' Geek 09:26, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, this article needs content but that does not mean filling the article with irrelevant words. Describing about various communities does not add qualitatively to the article. More over there is a hyper link for each community mentioned and any one wishing to see more info about a particular community can click on the link. A person visiting this page does so to know about the Tuluva ethnic group so info about Tuluvas is more relevant in this page. Adding content pertaining to the Tuluvas in genaral will improve the article.188.52.8.156 (talk) 09:34, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

How is it irrelevant.there is nothing called tuluva identity or kannada identity or for that matter any language.it is just a lingusitic term.every tulu speaking community or any language caste has it's own traditions history and separate origins.it's like saying all indians have one culture and all are hindus.diversity is what india is known for.description of that diversity is needed Linguistic ''' Geek 09:40, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Please don;t make irrelevant and imaginary comments. Stick to the topic. This issue cannot be decided. We need to have poll on this. Opinion by other users will help resolve this issue188.52.8.156 (talk) 09:45, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

imaginary.tell me will a bunt man marry a mogaveera woman and a brahmin girl will marry a billava man.caste identities are more stronger than linguitic ones.anyways half of the tulu spekaing caste also speak kannada and malayalam.seriosuly this article is a stub and will remain so.and imaginary notions are held by you not me. Linguistic ''' Geek  09:50, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

You are going way out of the topic. Please stick to it. Requesting users to express their comments on this issue.If they are for including the brief description of each community in the people section or against it. 188.52.8.156 (talk) 09:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

this is not way out of the topic.enough of this discussion.the next time you remove content with citations and indulge in sock puppeting like you always do and remove kannada konkani or malayalam fonts from anywhere.be ready to face a block.if you have any problem go to the content dispute resolution section.and stop vandalizing other people's edits.this is a consensus driven wikipedia and read the rules again also unlike you i edit and clean a lot of article.so i have work to do.goodbye.and i warn you gain if you undo any edits then be ready to face a block for edit warring. Linguistic ''' Geek 10:00, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Please stop issuing warnings (the only thing you are good at). If you have way out please sugget it.Your edits are liable to be deleted if consensus is not reached. Older version will pervail10:04, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Seeking a third opinion, since there was no response from any user.188.52.8.156 (talk) 08:28, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for responding to the request.188.52.8.156 (talk) 10:08, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Since we have not received any reply on the query, may I seek the permission to revert the edits made by Linguesticgeek and restore the section to the original version. Also requesting Administrators to remove the protection on the article, so as to enable IPs to contribute to the article.188.50.106.93 (talk) 03:25, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd wait a few more days, just in case. But is he watching this page? Has he been notified?--res Laozi speak  23:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Seeking permission to revert the section to original version. The discussion can be kept open if you wish so.188.49.33.240 (talk) 16:51, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Reverting to older version 188.52.34.11 (talk) 16:37, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Linguesticgee, please discuss your edits here. Since you have not responded to the queries of the Third party conflict resolution negotiator this issue is far from sorted out. Please do not hijack this article. 188.50.23.250 (talk) 03:44, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

stop this vandalism.you remove content added by other users.including user;Kedige.also you have been reverted by user GEd UK.I have come across lot of language chauvinist vandals like you.do something constructive than disrupting wikipedia.not one single contructive edits in your long history of editing through dynamic ips.all you indulge is in edits wars including other related pages like tulu nadu and kasaragod. Linguistic ''' Geek 08:02, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Please be to the topic and discuss the issue. Stop preaching. I know what I am doing.(Whatever I have been doing is within the rules of Wikipedia policies) Please discuss first. 188.50.23.250 (talk) 16:15, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

 * In response to the request from User:RegentsPark. As far as I understand, User:LinguisticGeek has added a chunk of text describing various communities that are Tuluvas which the IP says is unnecessary and unencyclopedic. Malayali example is not the best, it is not even a good article, let alone a featured article as mentioned by the IP. See the featured article Tamil people for example. IMO, IP sounds like a reasonable person and definitely not like a language chauvinist vandal as desribed by LinguisticGeek in his 08:02, 14 February 2011 post. It will be best if everyone stays WP:Civil and not resort to WP:Personal attacks. Considering LinguisticGeek's propensity to personally attack others (see Mr Anti Nair/upper caste barb at me) that disagree with him, i am not surprised. I would recommend one paragraph describing all communities and one paragraph describing all the religions. another option is to draw the attention of more editors by placing a note in other public venues. --CarTick (talk) 18:10, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

I have reverted the article to the original version. User Linguesticgeek has been shying way from any discussion on the large chunk of text he has added (Kindly see the history page) and has been abusive. Concerned editor are requested to take note of this for necessary corrective action.59.92.240.116 (talk) 10:17, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Picture at the begining of the article
It would be better if we include a sport person's pic also in the group. Kindly suggest some names for inclusion, of which one pic can be finalised 117.198.108.120 (talk) 04:23, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Why do people revert the change without even doing basic research?
When someone adds some info it's pretty usual that he/she has a source for that info. If you don't agree well you can always challenge that!!

It's like you know it exists!! you have witnessed it!! you have proof!! but some people on wiki just don't let it happen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IndianDroid (talk • contribs)

Hi there!

Firstly please familiarize yourself with the standards laid down here, WP:NOT. I have recently reverted your edits as you fail to provide reliable reference sources for the same. Original research as given here, WP:ORIGINAL is strictly not allowed on Wikipedia. Thank you and have a nice day! --PageImp (talk) 09:25, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Bhuta-aradhana
If there is a better literal translation than 'ghost worship', then please do add it. I went to the trouble of looking it up, because when I read the paragraph, I thought: what "Bhuta-aradhana"? My addition did not say it is actually "ghost worship", merely that this is its literal translation.

Would not have minded TuluveRai123's removal of the new material, if they had added a superior explanation, or even ! They seem knowledgeable on the subject, so why could they not add sourced content that was correct (in their view)? It needs to be explained, otherwise we might as well not have the paragraph at all. And Buta Kola is not the correct link to pipe to Bhuta : One is the festival, the other, Bhoota (ghost), is the article on the entities themselves.

Anyway, I have changed ghost to spirit, in the hope that is more acceptable. Also, Buta Kola is now a see also section hatnote. Added sources, too. Please, if you do change this again, don't just remove, but add detail, that's  than what you're removing. Thanks, AukusRuckus (talk) 08:49, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

 * hey there!
 * You have added main article as Bhoota(Ghost), which is not proper. Bhoota(Ghost) is not same as Buta Kola. Here in Buta Kola deities are worshipped not the Ghost. Its actually Daiva and not Bhuta. Hope you get this. Kindly go through this once.
 * TuluveRai123 (talk) 13:42, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

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nn, crystal ball  Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk   21:29, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete per nom. Note the line "expected in time for a holiday anti-release". Ryan Norton T 21:36, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
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Jason Maas (born November 19, 1975) is the head coach of the Montreal Alouettes of the Canadian Football League (CFL) and a former Canadian football quarterback in the CFL. He is best known for his playing career with the Edmonton Eskimos where he won two Grey Cup championships. He also played for the Alouettes and the Hamilton Tiger-Cats. He has coached the Toronto Argonauts, Ottawa Redblacks, and Saskatchewan Roughriders and was the head coach of the Eskimos from 2016 to 2019.

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During his high school career in Yuma, Arizona, Maas gained his first notice as a football player when the Phoenix Prep Sport magazine selected Maas as the most outstanding high-school quarterback in Arizona as a senior.

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Joining the CFL
For the 2000 CFL season Maas signed with the Edmonton Eskimos, where the coaching staff intended to use him as a backup and (with Dan Crowley) the holder on field goal and extra point attempts. The Eskimos were, at the time, one of the league's deepest teams at the quarterback position, with Maas, Crowley, and incumbent starter Nealon Greene all eventually assuming starting jobs somewhere in the CFL during their careers. Maas dressed for all eighteen games but saw significant action in only one, going 16 of 25 for 165 yards, a touchdown, and an interception. The Eskimos were eliminated in the Western finals by the B.C. Lions.

During the preseason of 2001, Eskimos head coach Don Matthews was fired in a famously messy separation, allegedly for health reasons, and was replaced by Tom Higgins. Higgins later developed a reputation for changing quarterbacks frequently, and although Greene had been the starter in Edmonton for two years, his spotty arm was beginning to draw criticism from fans. The door was wide open for the two backups, Crowley and Maas, to show that they could take the reins from the faltering Greene. Crowley was strong and Greene fought valiantly to keep his job, but by Week 7, Maas took the starting quarterback spot that he kept to the end of the year.

Maas picked the league apart in his first year as a starter, and despite his late start was a West Division All-Star and the Edmonton nominee for CFL Outstanding Player. He completed 231 of 391 pass attempts for 3,646 yards, recording 21 touchdowns and 12 interceptions. His performance in the 2001 Labour Day Classic, when Maas was the offensive star and recorded a late 23-yard run to set up the winning field goal as time expired, made him a fan favourite. Maas led the Eskimos to first place in one of the weakest Western Divisions of all time, as the Eskimos won the division by winning only as many as they lost. The end of the year was sour as the Eskimos were blown out by the rival Calgary Stampeders in the Western Final, 34–18. Maas emerged with little credit in the defeat, and after two straight years of disappointment, the local media were beginning to speculate whether the Eskimos were ever going to get past the Western Final.

Professional setbacks
Maas emerged from the 2001 season secure as the incumbent starter. Potential rivals Crowley and Greene were gone for 2002, Crowley to the newly minted Ottawa Renegades in the expansion draft, where he became their starting quarterback, and Greene to the Saskatchewan Roughriders in a trade. The two backups were Bart Hendricks and an unknown named Ricky Ray, neither of whom was expected to challenge Maas for the starting job. Maas was named Offensive Player of the Week in Week 2 and was on pace for another All-Star season.

However, in Week 4 against Nealon Greene's Roughriders, Maas suffered a separated shoulder in his non-throwing arm and the injury was serious enough to sideline Maas for several games. The nominal number two was Hendricks, but he was unavailable, and the third-stringer Ray temporarily took over the starting role for the Eskimos.

Ray seized his chance, and in his first CFL start threw for four touchdowns against the B.C. Lions. As fans watched with delight, Ray piled up remarkable numbers during Maas's recovery, leading to an inevitable showdown when the former starter returned. After missing three weeks, Maas returned against the Winnipeg Blue Bombers and was utterly forgettable. One mediocre game was all Higgins needed to see and Maas was immediately sent to the bench in favour of Ray, who started the next five games.

However, reminiscent of Maas's junior season in Oregon with Akili Smith, Higgins seemed unable to make up his mind. In a game against the Hamilton Tiger-Cats, Ray struggled, and Maas came in, successfully engineering an Eskimos comeback. Ray started the next game but in the game after, the second-to-last game of the season, Maas again appeared in relief and was again solid. Finally, in the last game of the year, Maas got the start and played well.

In his first season, Ray had recorded almost 3,000 passing yards and a quarterback rating over 100, helping the Eskimos win the West Division for the third consecutive year with the third consecutive starting quarterback. Maas had played less often but still well and had started to win back the confidence of the fans and of the team with a strong end to the season. But for the playoffs Higgins returned to Ray, who led the Eskimos to the 90th Grey Cup, which they lost to the Montréal Alouettes, coached by Maas's first CFL head coach, Don Matthews.

In 2003, Maas was looking to regain his starting job from Ray but suffered a back injury during the off-season. The condition was severe enough to require surgery and Ray became the starter out of training camp. Maas was the holder for kicker Sean Fleming as he healed, but by Week eight he was completely healthy. However, Higgins had drawn criticism for his "quarterback by committee" in 2002 and had little desire to repeat the adventure. Maas was entrenched on the bench as Ray helped deliver the Eskimos the 91st Grey Cup in a rematch with the Alouettes.

Opportunity knocks
After 2003, Ray was a hot commodity. NFL scouts were known to be looking at Ray, and during the offseason, Ray was able to stick with the New York Jets. The loss of the star quarterback dismayed Eskimos fans, but this was tempered with calm knowing that Maas was around to fill the void in 2004.

The pressure on Maas was high, but his performance was up to it. Maas threw for an incredible 5,274 yards, well higher than Ray's 2003 total of 4,640. Maas threw for "only" 31 touchdowns, four fewer than Ray's 35 in 2003, but his 105.1 quarterback rating ranked among the great seasons ever. In an ironic scene for Maas, he lost the Most Outstanding Player award to Lions quarterback Casey Printers who took over the starting role after an injury to incumbent superstar Dave Dickenson, similar to Ray taking over for Maas.

Maas had a strong playoff performance in his single game, throwing for 369 yards in the West Semi-Final. But despite Maas' numbers the offense just was not there as the Eskimos lost a wet and miserable game to Henry Burris and the Saskatchewan Roughriders 14–6. Maas's career playoff record fell to 0–2, and head coach Higgins was fired as a result of the loss.

Return to the bench
Unfortunately for Maas's individual numbers, Ray struggled south of the border. He never threw a regular season pass with the Jets, and after being released tried in vain to catch on with another NFL team in time for the 2005 NFL season. Conjecture immediately ran high that Ray would be lured back to the Eskimos with a relatively big-money deal, which soon followed. In addition, Maas faced additional competition from recently signed former Most Outstanding Player Khari Jones.

Former offensive coordinator and new head coach Danny Maciocia had led Maas's offense during his 2004 season, but he also knew that the starting quarterback had to be decisively selected and stuck to. After preseason, Maciocia chose and stuck to Ray, returning Maas to the bench for the 2005 CFL season. Maas saw little game action in the regular season, appearing only in relief for the final game, a blowout loss to the Calgary Stampeders.

However, entering into the next week's Western Semi-final game against the Stampeders, Ricky Ray was being criticized for his recent play, and after a relatively poor first half, Maciocia put Maas in for Ray for the second half. Maas re-ignited the dormant Eskimos offense and led them to a comeback victory, resurrecting the old quarterback controversy that had plagued the Eskimos for years. Maas followed this up by again appearing in relief during the fourth quarter over Ray in the West Division final against the Lions, scoring the winning touchdown and leading the Eskimos to another victory. Once again, perhaps because of rumours Maas had already been traded to the Hamilton Tiger-Cats for veteran quarterback Danny McManus and lineman Tim Bakker, Maciocia opted to start Ray in the 93rd Grey Cup. Ray played the whole game and won it, being named MVP in the process. After the game, confirming what TSN called "the CFL's worst-kept secret", Maas was traded to the Tiger-Cats.

Starting in Steeltown
The Tiger-Cats had a busy off-season after the 2005 season. Along with Maas, the Tiger-Cats also acquired running back Josh Ranek from the defunct Ottawa Renegades, running back/return man and reigning Most Outstanding Special Teams Player Corey Holmes from the Saskatchewan Roughriders in exchange for the first overall pick in Ottawa's dispersal draft (Saskatchewan selected quarterback Kerry Joseph). Significantly for Maas, the team also added his former favourite target in Edmonton, receiver Terry Vaughn, from Montreal as a free agent.

In spite of the big names added to the offense, the Tiger-Cats struggled immediately and badly. On July 10, 2006, the Tiger-Cats relieved head coach Greg Marshall of his duties after an 0–4 start, appointing 67-year-old veteran head coach Ron Lancaster as his replacement. The team also fired offensive coordinator Joe Paopao, offensive line coach Kani Kauahi, and replaced interim general manager since 2005 Rob Katz with former Montreal assistant GM Marcel Desjardins later in the season. Before the Tiger-Cats' Labour Day Classic game against Toronto, Hamilton was in last place in the East Division. Maas was seventh in the league in passing yardage, tied for seventh in touchdown passes, and tied for second in interceptions. Two of the players ahead of Maas in yardage and touchdowns, Dave Dickenson and Kerry Joseph, had struggled with injuries during the season, and the player tied with Maas's seven touchdowns was British Columbia backup Buck Pierce. The Tiger-Cats would fall to 2–10 after Labour Day, with Maas getting no credit in a 40–6 pummeling by the Argonauts.

For the 2007 CFL season Maas began the year as the starter for the Tiger-Cats. They had another rough start to the season at 1–8, prompting the pick-up of NFL castoff, and 2004 CFL MOP, Casey Printers.

Traded to Montreal
On September 7, 2007, in the wake of Hamilton's signing of Casey Printers, recently cut by the Kansas City Chiefs, Hamilton traded Maas to the Montreal Alouettes in exchange for Canadian fullback Jeff Piercy. Maas initially refused to report to his new club, a move which momentarily held up the formalization of the transaction. Maas served as the team's third-string quarterback behind Marcus Brady and Anthony Calvillo. Maas saw limited time on the field with the Alouettes and was released on December 31, 2007.

Back to Edmonton
January 16, 2008, the Edmonton Eskimos announced Maas was back in the green and gold. Come training camp, Maas and Lefors battled for the second-string quarterback spot but were both named 2 and 2A by head coach Danny Maciocca. Maas saw about two quarters of playing time in the second preseason game of 2008 and impressed, completing 16 of 19 passes for 256 yards and a touchdown. Maas remained the Eskimos backup for 2009, but for 2010 seemed to have been demoted to third-stringer early in the season in favour of Jared Zabransky. Maas's new tenure was rumored to be an apprenticeship for a coaching job within the organization. However, Maas wished to continue playing if he couldn't play for the Eskimos, so he was released on February 22, 2011, to potentially land with another team. Jason Maas officially retired from the CFL after an eleven-year career as a player on May 26, 2011.

Toronto Argonauts
On December 20, 2011, Maas was named the receivers coach for the Toronto Argonauts. On February 24, 2012, it was announced that Maas would shift duties to become the quarterbacks coach. He spent three seasons with the Argonauts, winning a Grey Cup championship in 2012.

Ottawa Redblacks
On December 3, 2014, Maas was introduced as the offensive coordinator of the Ottawa Redblacks. In the 2015 CFL season, Ottawa led the league in offensive yards, passing yards, and rushing touchdowns. The offense also featured the league's Most Outstanding Player in quarterback Henry Burris and four 1000-yard receivers, which was only the third time that a team featured four 1000-yard receivers in the same season.

Edmonton Eskimos
Maas was named the new head coach of the Edmonton Eskimos on December 14, 2015. The team finished with a 10–8 regular season record in 2016, but finished fourth in a strong West Division. After a strong 12–6 finish and trip to the West Final in 2017, Maas' Eskimos faltered in 2018 missing the playoffs for the first time since 2013. While the Eskimos finished with a 9–9 record, they placed fifth in a strong West Division that year. The team finished 8–10 during the following season and in fourth place, qualifying once again as the crossover team and qualified for the East Division playoffs. The Eskimos were defeated that year by the Hamilton Tiger-Cats in the East Final. That would be his last game as the team's head coach, as Maas was relieved of his coaching duties on November 27, 2019.

Saskatchewan Roughriders
On December 5, 2019, it was reported that Maas had agreed to join the Saskatchewan Roughriders as their offensive coordinator, but the announcement had not yet been made official by the team. The appointment was made official on December 6, 2019, when it was announced that he was signed by the team through to the 2021 season. On November 1, 2022, after a disappointing season, the Riders announced they would not be renewing Maas' contract, along with three other offensive coaches.

Montreal Alouettes
In early December 2022, it was reported that Maas was one of five finalists for the vacant Alouettes head coaching job. On December 17, 2022, it was announced that Maas had been hired as the head coach for the Alouettes. In his first season, he led the Alouettes to an 11–7 regular season record and his first appearance in a Grey Cup game as a head coach, winning the eighth Grey Cup title for the Alouettes. In an English interview on TSN, Québec player Marc-Antoine Dequoy thanked Maas for emphasizing that the players learn French and embrace Québec culture. Maas was rewarded with a three-year contract extension on December 20, 2023, that would keep him with the Alouettes through to the 2026 season.

Personal life
Maas's father Gary Alan Maas (aged 29), a police officer, was shot and killed on April 9, 1986, when Maas was only ten. Maas is married and lives in Sherwood Park, Alberta with his wife, Marjean and their two children during the off-season and in Rosemont, Quebec during the season.

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Avicine

Avicine, tested and developed by AVI BioPharma, and also known as CTP-37 was trialled as a possible cancer vaccine to treat a number of different cancers. These included colorectal cancer, pancreatic cancer and prostate cancer. The treatment was trialled as and intended to be induced via intramuscular injection into the bloodstream, the location dependent on the treatment area.

Common side effects during clinical trials included fever and chills as experienced with many other conventional vaccines. The vaccine operated by eliciting antibodies against human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) a cancer associated protein expressed by most cancer cells, with the goal of prolonged survival for those affected.

Avicine was originated by AVI BioPharma in the USA, who licensed the product to SuperGen. However, due to delays in clinical testing, as a result of research difficulties, the owners of Avicine were forced to direct their attention to other areas being the investigation and treatment of cardiovascular and infectious disease indications.

Medical Uses
Avicine never reached the commercial treatment phase as research was discontinued on 15 January 2007. The cancers Avicine was designed to manage were, pancreatic, colorectal and prostate cancer. In a one-year, Phase II Avicine cancer vaccine study, a group of patients were treated with Avicine alongside the combination of Gemcitabine (Gemzar), the results yielding that Avicine could be induced alongside Gemzar, in the prostate region. As the 3rd and 4th clinical trials were not done this was never done as a commercial treatment.

Contraindications and drug interactions
Patients who were pregnant were not to be treated by Avicine, as it elicits antibodies against hCG, a cancer associated oncofoetal protein that is also prevalent during the development of a child in the womb.

As of 2007, due to the discontinued state of Avicine research, drug interactions have not been studied.

Adverse Effects
Results from a multi-center phase II study in test subjects with metastatic colorectal cancer in USA exposed that of 64 patients some experienced fevers and chills. Overall, the vaccines were tolerated well by the patients. 69% (55 of the 73 patients).

Colorectal Cancer
After successfully completing a Phases I and II trials for the use of Avicine in colorectal cancer, a phase III licensing trail began to investigate Avicine as a first line treatment for colorectal patients alongside chemotherapy in January 2001. The trial was randomised where the patients would either receive Avicine in combination with chemotherapy or chemotherapy unaided. However, Phase III was discontinued as of 15 January 2007.

Pancreatic Cancer
A multi-centre Phase II clinical trial of Avicine was conducted by Avi Biopharma, including 55 patients in the US. The trial was conducted 10 patients with pancreatic cancer saw positive results in a pilot phase II trial of Avicine.

A plan was proposed to begin a phase III trial for patients with pancreatic cancer. However, in 2003 it was reported in order to do so an additional corporate partner was needed for the trial to be instigated. Research was discontinued on 15 January 2007 as an additional corporate partner was found and phase II was still not complete.

Prostate Cancer
A phase I trial of Avicine was completed by Avi Biopharma in patients with prostate cancer, however after this stage research was discontinued on 15 January 2007.

Drug Properties and Chemical Synopsis
Route of administration: IM

Formulation: unspecified

Class: Cancer Vaccines

Mechanism of Action: Immunomodulator; Immunostimulant

WHO ATC code: L03A-X (Other immunostimulants)

EPhMRA code: L3A (Immunostimulating Agents Excluding Intereferons)

Chemistry of Avicine
The chemical and physical properties of Avicine can be highlighted in the table below:

Pharmacology
Avicine (CTP-37) is a peptide fragment of Human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG), an oncofoetal protein expressed by most cancer lines, the significant role of hCG being to ward off the immune system, the same way cells of the developing foetus ward off the immune system. In some studies expressions of hCG in colorectal cancer has been positively correlated with reduced survival rates. Two epitopes can be found in CTP-37 one of which is dominant and can elicit anti-bodies against hCG.

By employing this ideology Avi Biopharma created a modulated form of CTP-37 (Avicine) containing an extra peptide domain, more specifically denoted as a loop peptide. The modulation of the earlier formulation was done to force the immune system to act against multiple epitopes, with the aim of improving the survival rate of individuals with cancer. The moderated formula of Avicine was built on the basis of a study that indicated patients exhibited prolonged survival when they responded to more than one vaccine epitope.

The majority of the world's population have been vaccinated against diphtheria use diphtheria toxoid (DT), and was therefore used a carrier protein due to the significant data available on its effects as a vaccine. Also, the established immune response to DT was also believed to be important in encouraging an immune response to hCG peptides.

Colorectal Cancer
Phase I tests demonstrated a satisfactory safety profile of Avicine (CTP37-diphtheria toxoid/DT), whilst also establishing the immunological activity of the drug. In the following Phase II study 77 patients with colorectal cancer were treated with Avicine using Active Specialised Immunization (ASI), the CTP37-DT, prompting antibodies in patients experiencing cancers that expressed very high hCG levels. The patients were given the vaccine at week 0, 4, 10 and 16. Of the 77 patients 56 of those produced antibodies to human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG), in response to the vaccine. By intention-to-treat analysis it was observed that of the vaccinated patients the median survival was 34 weeks. The median survival of patients who those who did not produce antibodies from the vaccine was 17 weeks, whilst the patients who developed antibodies from the vaccine exhibited a median survival of 42 weeks. Also, patients who developed median antibody levels (n=39) expressed higher survival rates than those who expressed antibody levels below the median value (n=38), where survival rates were 45 weeks and 24 weeks respectively (AVI BioPharma Inc.). Additionally, CTP-37 consists of two epitopes and those who responded to both epitopes demonstrated prolonged survival, with 65 weeks, compared to those who only reacted against one epitope who experienced a 39-week survival rate. Another randomised group was also given Pharmacia-Upjohn's Camptosar, where the subjects experienced a mean 35 weeks survival rate. Using this data AVI Biopharma formulated a new version of CTP-37 vaccine, which included another hCG peptide referred to as the loop peptide. Inclusion of the loop peptide is used primarily to modulate the dominance of the original substance, which would ideally force the immune system to react to the multiple epitopes, culminating with prolonged survival rates for colorectal cancer patients.

Pancreatic Cancer
55 pancreatic cancer patients were included in a study which confirmed treatment with Avicine produces comparable survival rates to treatment with Gemcitabine. A group was also tested with gemcitabine combined with Avicine, and expressed significantly better survival rates than those who were treated with either substance independently. Also, Gemcitabine did not affect the patients ability to have an immune response to Avicine's epitopes.

Data from a phase Ib study including ten patients with pancreatic cancer established the safety and value of the use of Avicine in the subjects. The patients survived for periods greater than 6 months, which were historical survival rates for patients with metastatic pancreatic cancer. During the phase II study, one patient survived greater than 20 months, three lived more than 11 months, and 4 out of 6 patients remaining exceeded the 5.3 month period of median historical survival for this disease in 2001. The median survival in the 10 pancreatic patients was equal to 33 weeks with the Avicine (CTP-37) vaccine.

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User talk:Wizzy/Archive2

Archive1 at User talk:Wikiwizzy/Archive1 up to October 2005.

I will answer requests here, if you post them here. I mostly concentrate on Africa based articles. Wizzy… ☎   21:49, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Rainbow Nation
Thank you for my compliment regarding my re-worked Rainbow Nation article! Ssteedman 15:53, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Idi Amin
Hi, you removed a section on the Idi Amin article that I wrote, on the grounds it was POV. I added that to the "splendid rugby player" quote expressly because I thought that quote was misleading. It gave the impression that his officers judged him purely on his sports ability and were indifferent to any defects in his character they observed. Since the article as it now stands is misleading I will remove the Rugby quote. Leithp 09:02, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I nearly did the same. Thanks. Wizzy… ☎   09:31, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Support
Hi Andy, Banes is interested in nominating me as an admin tomorrow evening, I would kindly appreciate your support. Thank you --Jcw69 19:58, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
I just wanted to say thank you for your support of my admin nomination. I look forward to the time when our Wikipedia paths, blended in amity, cross once again. —Wayward Talk 05:23, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Mbeki
thanks for the comment... will try to add a bit more, would of course welcome additions. so much of what has been written about him is either very critical or describes him as a "man of mystery" that I think it is difficult to do a properly informative and neutral page. There are supposedly biographies being written now but I can't find either. Let me know if you do. Best regards Joewright 21:32, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Your Editcount
Hi there Wikiwizzy. What's your editcount like? The reason I ask is that I am currently on a SA admin drive. As you know, I started with Jcw, now, I'm trying to decide whos next. (Kate's tool hardly works these days.) I would go over to Elf-Friend but he's been on a long break. Are you interested?  Ban e  s  15:57, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the thought. Somewhat busy at the moment, and my contributions recently have been fairly minor - just tracking my watchlist, rather than writing. So, not at the moment. I am glad Jcw69 made it. Wizzy… ☎   09:43, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you Andy for your support in my recent request for adminship. It was successful thanks to you. I will strive to an open, approachable and transparent administrator. I will not let South Africa down. --Jcw69 18:23, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

 * You are welcome. Congratulations! Wizzy… ☎   09:43, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the "welcome back" :-). Elf-friend 09:17, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

POV Telkom
Judicious, well-watched edit at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Telkom&diff=26433044&oldid=26420567 I wrote most of the body text for that article, I hate to see it get vandalised.

Military history of Sudan
Since the Collaboration of the Week folks are known for preferring Military Histories of countries, I nominated Military history of Sudan. It has been six days since then, and I have only received one more vote. Unless I get one more vote supporting this nomination, it will be closed tomorrow. Please add your support at WP:COTW/Military history of Sudan. Also see WP:COTW/Languages of Sudan. — BRIAN 0918 • 2005-11-7 14:56

Royal Flying Corps
Hi there. You left a note on my talk page about an edit I made to the RFC entry. Assuming you were referring to the para on the RFC's first victory, I found the information in the book The Royal Flying Corps in World War I by Ralph Barker ( ISBN 1-84119-470-0 ). I don't think there was any more info on either of the fliers than their names. I can have another look if you have any specific questions.

I guess I should add the book as a reference to the RFC page - I don't think I knew how to do that when I made the original edit.

Hope this helps, Cjrother 19:59, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

copyvio
Please do not lift passages from copyrighted sources such as news wires. These additions must be reverted. lots of issues | leave me a message 15:40, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Public opinion section on Telkom
Hi! I fixed the spelling mistakes in my Telkom edit. But I think a "public opinion" section is vital for reasons discussed on its Talk page. I also fixed problems with the links. Hardly informationless. --Janto 16:48, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Re-reading the article, it could use some balance, and needs a "public opinion" section. But you added Telkom has been widely criticized for its behavior, and moved the external links from where they belong - the external links section, and removed the mybroadband link without explanation. Why don't you move the links back, and write some substance into the new section, instead of fluffing up "public opinion" with the moved links ? Wizzy… ☎   08:11, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I removed mybroadband.co.za because it simply redirects to myadsl.co.za. You are correct in that I only added Telkom has been widely criticized for its behavior to fluff up the section. I didn't feel I knew enough to write anything more. Your version is MUCH better. I don't see the need to have both a MyADSL/Hellkom internal AND external link. An internal one should suffice. Also, a minor thing, but I think "Number format" is more consistent with the rest of wikipedia than "Number Format". --Janto 12:18, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

CAPE ARGUS

I have referred the matter to the Cape Argus editorial staff ... if they decide they are not interested in doing anything about it, neither am I ... I choose not to edit the writer's poor English because he discredits himself by sounding less than erudite... I also believe that challenging someone is more productive than simply deleting what they have to say ... the government of South Africa under apartheid did that ... don't ask me to do the same thing ... Mike hayes

Thanks!
Hi Wiki,

Thanks for seconding my Barnstar of National Merit, it is nice to know that one's work is noticed and appreciated :-).

Kind Regards, Elf-friend 08:05, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Zuma
Sorry, i didnt see it there! also, thanks for the encouragement regarding my contribs on Africa. may i ask where in Kenya you were born? --Gozar 17:35, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I was born in Nakuru, and went to school in Nairobi. My parents had a farm in Timboroa, past Molo. Wizzy… ☎   18:00, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

wizzy digital courier
I've gone over the Digital Courier site a bit and i have to say i'm very impressed. as my primary interest in wikipedia is its potential/capacity for educational use in africa and the third world, it looks like you've developed a pretty viable solution (even though most of the continent doesnt have nearly the access to computers that south africa does to begin with). i have a few questions though, how much does the service cost for the schools (although,im an american so obviously if you give me the Rand it wont tell me much)? it also doesnt seem like it would provide you with a lot of support financially, do you have another job to supplement (or account for most of) your income? also, im guessing you know that all texts (novels,etc) published before 1913 are for all intents and purposes, free over the internet. i dont know if it would be feasible due to the limited number of computers the schools you are dealing with have, but have you considered trying to load any full texts onto the schools' computers (a lot of 'required reading' can probably be had for free, based simply on what i've read in school)? thanks.--Gozar 22:54, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I charge them R1000 / year - about $180 ? I find the most useful resource is Wikipedia - I put MySQL and a webserver on, and install a snapshot from about May 2005 on it - and they can use Wikipedia while offline. The kids love it. Wizzy… ☎   07:34, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

major earthquake in East Africa
this happened today, i have an article up and running at East African earthquake, 2005. Considering renaming to Lake Tanganyika earthquake, or Great Lakes region earthquake, or some such title. Any advice and help would be appreciated.--Gozar 18:25, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Meetup
I'm going to be back in South Africa from 26 December to 25 January. Would be great to meet up with all my fellow South African editors that I have been working with from afar. Want to try to arrange a meet-up of some sorts? 08:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you Wizzy
Thank you for your kind words. jucifer 00:11, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Zimbabwe
Nice to be appreciated! Rich  Farmbrough 17:44, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Wizzy. Thanks for the note of welcome and the link to that rather bizarre Rhodesia website. Bob

BScar23625 20:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

British 'Far Right'
I note your comment on the deletions page. Could I just say that it is in my view quite wrong to regard all Europeans in (or who were in) Africa as some sort of Nazis. These were normal often quite ordinary people (farmers) who wished to protect their positions of control. That is surely normal, even here. All political parties will do anything to remain in power. I know people who lived in Rhodesia who were totally ruined after a century of work, and their only crime was to be European, and to have treated their black workers, often in the hundreds, extremely well. When they were leaving their farms their workers were in tears. There are two sides to every story.

All the organisations and people in this new victimisation category are pretty ordinary people, virtually all of them members of the Conservative Party at some time or other, or still. To me 'far right', means one belonging to some vicious group which engages if vitriolic hatred of others and violence, Nazi or fascist parties, or whatever. None of these people or groups fall even remotely into those categories.

I hope you don't mind me sharing my thoughts with you. Robert I 20:16, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

 * My issues with the category are told on the deletions page. Regarding proper perspective around politics and land in southern africa - I track those issues, I write copy, and engage in discussion on those Wikipedia pages as well. If you have historical or contemporary knowledge in these areas, we need engagement, not POV. If you know, please engage. If you do not, please read up. Wizzy… ☎   19:46, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Response
True. The act was so flagrant (see his rationalisation in Talk:Monday Club) that immediate action seemed called for, particularly given the fact he'd also made legal threats and earlier edited other people's contributions to Talk pages. I will lift the suspension and ask you to consider his behaviour, whether a tempban is warranted and the length of any tempban. Homey

 * I have been following some of this discussion, having latched in via Harvey Ward and historical Zimbabwean issues. I am not an administrator - but though Mr. Isherwood and Isabella may not know all to do with WP:NPOV, we should not bite the newbies, nor muddy their space. Wizzy… ☎   19:12, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

I've asked User:Slim Virgin to examine the situation. Not biting the newbies is one thing, and I didn't tempban him over legal threats or editing other's talk page contributions - I just cautioned him - but malicious editing is quite different. If someone deliberately falsifies information it merits disciplinary action. If he hadn't been a newbie I would have taken him to ArbComm and suggested a one year ban. Homey 19:20, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

 * My encounters with User:SlimVirgin have always been good. WP:CITE is an increasing issue. A passionate editor (of whatever leaning) needs education and (possibly) support. There is an untold story in southern africa over land, and I (with others) try to moderate it. Sometimes, regarding african issues, there is a paucity of citeable references. Wizzy… ☎   19:32, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I appreciate that you have looked at things or commented upon the dispute I am having with HOTR and CJCurrie. I dispute their claims that I have removed anyone's comments from the Talk page (other than my own) and I did that because I was told that I had abused the privacy of the documents I had been given access to. I have not threatened anyone with legal action myself. I understand Mr.Lauder-Frost has because of the sheer malice which has been directed against him in public, but that is a matter for him. But I do feel that these two people have engaged in a bitter and totally relentless war against all the articles I have written or contributed to and I believe that is very evident from the endless changes they have made to them. No-one appears to be in a position to do or want to do anything about them at all. I do have some considerable knowledge of Rhodesia. I went there three times between 1974 and 1979 and again in 1994. I have interviewed a number of the old guard there including Ian Smith. Robert I 22:06, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Award
Hello, thanks for the award. --Ezeu 21:27, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Biffeche
Hi, It seemed even more appropriate for fr.wiki - and I'm bracing mysef for feedback on my grammar :-) Linking from other articles is a good idea and I'll see what seems appropriate. I have put in categories, so it will already have some limited visibility.   Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk  12:30, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

South Africa Article
Leave the anon editor be and let him waste his time....I'm currently watching his edits and as soon as he's finished I'm going to revert to the last version by 220.139.251.7 (check the page history). Zunaid 14:41, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Looks like you scared him off, he's stopped editing for now ;). I've reverted he's latest changes as above. If he comes back please revert as necessary, I'm off home! Zunaid 15:02, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

POV Gautrain
Unajua kuongea Kiswahili? Nilikaa ya Kenya...

Could I garner some support from you in the Talk page of Gautrain regarding RSA Taxpayer's incessant removal of the POV tag? I have written in explaining the due course of POV tag discussion, but it would help if I could have a backup or second opinion on the talkpage, unless - of course - you feel the tag to be in error too. Best regards, Ssteedman 20:32, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Gautrain Kudos
Nice work on Gautrain. Much better... enough to remove the tag do you think, or keep it pending more balancing information?

Mfeketo page
Thanks - that's a lovely way to do it. Cheers, JackyR 23:48, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Car
I know, you are motorcylce-bound. Not to worry, I think I'll just get a car at the airport. Kulula has some good rates for car hire. I should be staying with a fried in Green Point, so I have accomodation as well, because trying to find a place to put your head at this time of the year in CT is moerse expensive!

How are you, otherwise? I just got through driving from Namibia back to PRetoria - all in one day. Ugh!  Páll  (Die pienk olifant) 16:17, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Rhodesia / Ian Smith
Andy. Thanks for the appreciation, let me know if there is anything I can do to enhance the articles further. These things tend to recede into history and people get a very false view of events. A lot of these young guys get a view of Rhodesia based on what they read in Wilbur Smith novels. The reality was nothing like that. Bob BScar23625 10:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you build up the References section on Rhodesia ? Wizzy… ☎   13:56, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I have listed Rhodesia as a WP:FAC. Wizzy… ☎   08:24, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

''Andy. Yes, I keep returning to the Rhodesia and associated articles. All very fascinating to me. One area that could use further attention is the nature of the big-business backing for ZANU and ZAPU during the war. The idea that China backed ZANU and USSR backed ZAPU is something of a fiction that suited everyone to maintain at the time. In fact, British business was channelling funds to the Nationalists and they wouldn't have done that without "a wink and a nod" from the British government. Not something I have given much thought to before. See external link 2 that I inserted yesterday. Bob'' BScar23625 08:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Andy. Sure, I have monitored the comment and noted the three "Objections". The comments sound very much like reviews of academic dissertations - wherein great emphasis is placed on required structural elements. You have to (1) pose a Research Question, (2) undertake a Literature Review, (3) undertake Empirical Research, then (4) draw on (2) and (3) to answer the RQ posed in (1). In fact, many high-scoring dissertations are very silly/tedious - the reason they are high scoring is because they incorporate the required structural features in every detail. I do this kind of thing for a living, so I am not too inclined to hack the article around to match some standard structure. I will continue with enhancements to the Rhodesia/Ian Smith/Whites in Zimbabwe articles as and when I feel inclined. Have you noticed that the anonymous contributor with unusual knowledge of Ian Smith has now reported that Smith's son Alec died on 16/01/2006?. It would be such an odd thing to invent that I guess it is probably true. I suspect the contributor has picked the info up off some Rhodesian website, or he has some direct connection with Smith. best wishes. Bob BScar23625 08:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I saw the report - he died at Heathrow Airport, of all places . Refs - as you wish. I do not think the references requirements are very onerous - there is a style thing, where items stated in the article 'link' to references in the refs section. Any featured article (top left on main page, for instance) supposedly conforms to this - check a few and see how hard it is. As I do not have the books, if you would like to add refs to the main article, like or even just ( ref 3 ) I will undertake to do the proper fixups to refs / main article. I think all the heavy lifting has been done - I think it would be great to have Rhodesia as a featured article. Wizzy…  ☎   09:23, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * And check the bottom of Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates References -- the new witch hunt Wizzy… ☎   16:14, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Andy. Yes, the report about the death of Alec Smith actually appeared in the British Daily Telegraph yesterday (Monday).  Curious case. Alec deserted from the Rhodesian army (where he was a conscript) and fled to Europe, where he married a Norwegian girl. His Dad tried to attend the wedding, but the Norwegian government refused to admit him. Alec returned to Rhodesia after independence, and a lot of people wouldn't speak to him. But he never had any problem with his Dad. Make of that what you will. Leave the article with me and I will take a look at it some time. Bob BScar23625 16:51, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

ps : I think Smithy was a maverick type himself and had no difficulty in accepting the same quality in others. BScar23625 17:22, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Bob, there are articles on Zimbabwe-Rhodesia, and Lancaster House Agreement that may overlap on stuff you are adding to Rhodesia. If you find yourself duplicating material, do consider re-arranging Rhodesia with sections aimed at those sub-articles, adding that info to the satellite pages, referenced by a main article: sub-heading, and just summarising on Rhodesia. There is nothing more aggravating that finding conflicting material in different articles .. You are familiar, I am sure, with what links here as a tool to find these other articles. I think you are doing a great job! Wizzy… ☎   17:50, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Orphanbot's deletion of Image:Shooting.jpg
I have made the entry, but this may have been too late. Orphanbot has deleted it. It is a lovely picture. It shows Ian Smith at the Bulawayo Farmers' Fair about two days after he became Prime Minister of Rhodesia. There was a lot of grumbling about "lazy kaffir" waiters in the beer tent and Smith picked up a rifle and took aim at one of the waiters. This caused much amusement amongst the onlookers. The picture was taken by a middle-aged reporter from the Bulawayo Times. The latter paper went defunct in 1981 and the photographer must be dead by now. The picture has been used all around the world in numerous publications and web sites. There cannot be any copyright in it.

Any chance of restoring it?.

Bob

Thanks!

 * Thanks very much for your kind good wishes regarding my wedding! :-)

 * Kindest Regards, Elf-friend 07:49, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Nelson Mandela
Hi, you removed the category Category:Living people from Nelson Mandela with the edit summary, "rv useless cat." It seems that the cat is needed for some administrative and legal purposes - please see Category_talk:Living_people with some expplanation by Jimbo Wales himself. Bottomline - do not rmv the cat unless it is wrongly inserted; if you have any objections or suggestions, voice them on that page just as I have done (I didn't object, but gave a suggestion). btw, I reverted your change to Nelson Mandela. --Gurubrahma 16:38, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi, no need to be sorry; in fact, I too felt that it was a useless cat before I saw the rationale. Also, matters are not helped by the fact that this cat is being added mostly by anon IPs - that is what I noticed on my RC patrol as well. One favour though, if you see any one reverting the cat, please pass on the message, thanks, --Gurubrahma 16:59, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

John Githongo
The BBC mention Vice-President Moody Awori as named in the report aswell, in addition to the three that your source listed. I've checked a few other sources and they include him too, so I've edited the article to reflect this. If you know better feel free to switch it about. Also, do you think the Anglo Leasing Scandal deserves its own article? Ta. --Cherry blossom tree 14:45, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * re: Anglo Leasing scam - I see it already does. Thanks for starting John Githongo. Wizzy… ☎   15:08, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow. I hadn't spotted that one. Thanks.--Cherry blossom tree 15:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Kafir (Islam)
This is a heads-up on a WP:RM see Talk:Kafir (Islam). It is part of a general shuffle of related page names and I think some South African input would be useful. If you know where to place a heads-up about it for South Africans I think it woudl be useful. -- Philip Baird Shearer 17:51, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Kagame
Hi there! I see what you mean about some of that stuff belonging in the Congo War article but haven't yet thought of a good way to condense it. Of course we have no way of knowing these things but the original article on Kagame as I found it yesterday was SO inaccurate that I find it hard to believe that it hasn't been tampered with. There was no mention of RPF reprisal atrocities after the genocide, no mention of the 1996 invasion of Congo and the killings committed there, and while the section on the second invasion (1998) did at least mention the 4 million people who have died as a result, there was no mention of how they died, or of the detailed, consistent allegations made against Kagame by the UN, the Congolese government, and many other groups, that his government has been profiteering on a massive scale. The evidence really is overwhelming. While Kagame was rightly seen as a hero for his role in ending the 1994 genocide, the problem is that he has ruthlessly exploited this hero status to deflect all criticism of his corrupt and authoritarian government. Seems v. reminiscent of the way Mugabe has used his anti-colonial "liberation fighter" status.

I've spoken to Rwandan Tutsis who came in with the RPF from Uganda in 1994 (ie. not natural opponents of the new government) who tell me that Kagame is so feared in Rwanda that people don't dare to mention his name publicly, that the democratic process is a complete sham, that the RPF grouping are enriching themselves through corruption and that this is aggravating the unresolved tensions in Rwandan society. Others have pointed out that while Kagame continues to define his position in relation to the 1994 genocide, the survivors of that genocide remain a marginalised and excluded group. The people now in power in Rwanda, despite the supposedly non-ethnic basis of the new government, are almost all of them English-speaking Rwandan Tutsis who grew up in exile in Uganda. One of the saddest stories I've heard is of a young Tutsi soldier who fought under Kagame to overthrow Obote in Uganda in the 1980s, then helped liberate Rwanda with the RPF in the 1990s, only to be sent to Congo in 1998. He died there in 1999 fighting not against Hutu-extremists but against his own former comrades in the Ugandan army, after a squabble broke out between Kagame and Museveni over control of the Kisangani diamond mines...    194.247.252.108 10:57, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * We abhor repetition of the same information in different places, except in summary form. Any chance of summarising it, and moving the bulk to Second Congo War ? Yes, it is important that Kagame is 'tagged', but the Second Congo War page has had a lot of effort, and I think that is the bulk of your (useful) contributions ? Wizzy… ☎   11:41, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I can have a go, but it may not be for a while. The Second Congo War article is good but it says almost nothing about the evidence uncovered by the UN Panel Of Experts, only that the Rwandan and Ugandan governments denied the allegations. I don't know any serious commentator who believes those denials, which as far as I can see amount only to saying "no we didn't!" without presenting any specific response to the evidence!

 * I do think it's really important that we make it clear that there is significant evidence, from mainstream sources, that Kagame has engaged in some pretty dubious activities and that there are a lot of unanswered questions, and that we don't skip over the damning details. I've obviously got no objections to someone else having a go at the changes (fresh pair of eyes) etc. 194.247.252.108

Sorry
Didn't mean to step on your edit, I'm still figuring out how the diffs work. OrangeMan 14:33, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

 * It wasn't mine actually - I think User:Jcw69 accidently stepped on your edit. And re: User:Ezeu - please assume good faith - all the African editors get along very well with each other. If you stick around on African issues, you will see a lot of him. You might be interested in WP:AFR too - hope to see you around! Wizzy… ☎   15:12, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

 * My problem with Ezeu is strictly related to the fact that he has no understanding of POV and was violating Wiki policy with regards to talk pages, nothing more. OrangeMan 16:06, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

barnraising?!
greetings wikiwizzy, i was curious as to whether you (and others from the wikipedia africa community) would be interested in helping to barnraise Petroleum in Nigeria, an article i started at the beginning of '06. I'm pretty much planning on camping out at the campus library all weekend working on it, and there is also a significant amount of information available online. that said i will be doing most of the work, but any help would be appreciated. this is a good place to start browsing info online (excuse me if im being presumptuous). thanks.--Gozar 18:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Geo-tags.
Re. I'm such a map geek, those Google maps can keep me entertained for hours. I think I just found the Mexican kitchen: -33.92541°N, 18.41506°W. -- Jeandré, 2006-02-03t20:39z

Cape Agulhas
Hi, Thank you for discussing this with me. There is the warm Agulhas Current in the Indian Ocean heading south past Cape Agulhas swirling past and meeting with the cold Benguela Current in the Atlantic Ocean heading south too.

So I did try to change the meaning of the previous version. Regards, Greg Gregorydavid 11:32, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

 * The Cape Agulhas page says it, not Cape Point, is the meeting point of the currents. Your edit said that Cape Point is where they meet. Which one is it ? Wizzy… ☎   11:45, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

The Spamster
Has been reverted. If he does it again, please let me know and I'll warn and block the naughty fellow. Cheers  Ban  e  z  16:02, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Hi, I've just recieved a cordial reply on my talkpage, regarding my reverts. I'm not sure what to do, what do you think?  Ban  e  z  19:33, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Elf-Friend RfA
Ja, I was wondering why it wasnt added to the main rfa page. Thanks for fixing it, the nomination is now where it should be. Cheers  Ban  e  z  08:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar Award
Hey. Just wanted to say thanks for the award. Teasing out the facts in the complexity that is South African history and culture is very rewarding. Expect more edits in future (I'm busy expanding the history section of Zulu dramatically). -Kieran 08:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
I was autoblocked due to editting activity on wonderware. Thanks for helping. I am still keeping an eye out for a reference on the point of meeting of the Indian Ocean and Atlantic Ocean at the tip of Africa. Regards, Greg Gregorydavid 12:27, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know about the block, all is resolved now.--Commander Keane 13:50, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

From Ezeu
Sorry for not replying promtly. Had to take some time off. I'll get back to you as soon as possible.--Ezeu 02:53, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like Corruption in Kenya is doing well. At the moment I dont see what I can add. If and when I find anything I can contribute with, I will (now that my stress level is low). --Ezeu 03:51, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Happy Valentine's day, dear Wizzy!
  Happy Valentine's Day, my sweet dear Wizzy!  Phædriel   Phaedriel, the wiki-markup princess. Thank you for including me in your valentine shower. Wizzy… ☎   21:40, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * My pleasure, Wizzy :) I consider you a wikifriend of me, so I really wanted to give you my Valentine's wishes! But now, just between the two of us, I wanted to thank you so much for your beautiful words. They really meant a lot to me in a moment I was somewhat down. You did for me exactly what I was talking about - and that, I will never forget. Thank you, dear Wizzy! *hugz*  Phædriel   ♥ tell me - 22:19, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Apartheid in a nutshell
Hi, thank you for responding again. I agree that it is difficult to regulate everything on Wiki.. I do think that there is space for short articles that get to the point, that link to comprehensive ones and that are consitent with the short one.. I see the German article on Apartheid is structured along the lines Under the English, Under the Boer etc.. So there is no Wiki Government that merges all content correctly, it is Wiki People and Wiki Police.. I also think one can merge short articles, keep the short ones and state the fact that the short on has been merged.. Cheers, Greg Gregorydavid 10:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

user page
i suppose someone needs to tell you (although i suppose this could be intentional), your national merit barnstar is taking up the entire top section of your page!--gozar 18:55, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops - thanks for pointing it out .. it wasn't like that yesterday. I think the macro has changed ? Wizzy…  ☎   19:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Corruption in Kenya
Hey - we made the front page!! Wizzy… ☎   17:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Hurray! We seem to have picked up some vandals, too. Swings & roundabouts, I suppose.--Cherry blossom tree 11:16, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Did you see the 'deliberate obfuscation' ? I also found Nicholas Biwott. Wizzy… ☎   11:37, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they were bizarre. I can't imagine who would have made those edits. In between all the stuff they corrected a spelling, too. A very labour-intensive way to mess up an article.--Cherry blossom tree 23:16, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you very much for your support (and comment in defence of my edit count for minor articles) during my recent Admin election, I appreciate the trust that you have put in me. Please contact me if you have any questions, comments or concerns regarding my work as an admin.

By the way, why aren't you an admin yet? ;-) Would you be interested in being nominated?

Kind Regards, Elf-friend 09:18, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Congrats - I'll be keeping a close eye on your wikistress level .. and Banes is the grand poobah nominator, isn't he :-? Happy to lay low for a while, I think. Wizzy… ☎   10:49, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

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Thank you!
Hey, thanks so much for the barnstar! :) Feeling very chuffed now! Glad my contributions helped. Joziboy 27 Feb 2006, 10:54 UTC

Optical amplifier
Cheers for your comments - a long way to go yet though! Kcordina 17:05, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks
Thanks for weighing in at Talk:Lagos. I'm withdrawing from the conversation, don'lt like the atmosphere (see also this charming exchange on my talk page). I won't block them if they continue their behaviour because I'm too involved, but a block might be in order. Whatever, I'm logging out for a while. Very best wishes, — mark ✎ 19:58, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

re: Alternative South Africa
In response to your note at WP:AFR. It's possibly worth merging over the info into a paragraph on "Heterodox movements" at Culture of South Africa, but it would be a nightmare to keep everything organized and well-sourced so the fringe theorists don't take over. If you're not up for maintaining it (and I doubt the creator will do so based on his short edit history), speedy it. - BanyanTree 14:56, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Which is all just hypothetical of course, seeing as how I'm about to add a definition of alternative cultural studies. Question, is do I have the time and energy to write an online article while being attacked? I've retreated to the sandbox and will post up something a lot more substantial once its complete. But forgive me for my insistance on questioning the Heterodoxy of South Africa, but this kind of thing was illegal once upon a time, along with inter-racial fornication! Now there's a biazed word! Ethnopunk 12:08, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I think the sandbox is the place to start. But I write on Wikipedia where people read. I am not a South African, though I live here now, and did not live through that era. If people are looking for that information, they are much more likely to start at Culture of South Africa. I suggest you draft it in the sandbox, and follow BanyanTree's advice to add it as a section. Please read WP:NOT as well. Wizzy… ☎   12:19, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Re Robert Mugabe
I don't entirely understand what you mean by "adding extra lines" to the Mugabe page; isn't this the point of Wikipedia, provided, of course, that they are accurate?
 * I mean all the blank lines breaking up the paragraphs, not extra content.

You know as well as I that Mugabe is both a dictator and a mass murderer, but he doesn't qualify as a "war criminal", so...
 * The problem is that it is WP:POV - soon people will be adding GW Bush to the Mass Murderer category. I shall take it out.

I will definitely add his name to the List of Dictators you referred to.
 * I think that would be the place (if at all) - just saying someone is a Dictator is too bald, and need qualification.

Thanks!!

Ciao!! 216.194.2.154 09:55, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps get a login, so we can follow your work ? Wizzy… ☎   10:31, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
That was very nice. Thanks. WAS 4.250 10:38, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * You are most welcome. It is a great article, and the Talk page is fascinating. Wizzy… ☎   10:47, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Proxies
Hey A

Nope, was not aware of that. I've just fired off an email to Tim Starling from that page:

Hi Tim (I'm coming from meta:XFF project) Could we have our South African transparent proxies listed as trusted, please? A number of good, regular editors have now been caught by autoblocking, and these transparent proxies are forced on probably the most South African internet users. I have started a list at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dewet/SAIX_proxies for reference; it has been updated by other South African editors too. Thanks, en:User:Dewet

Hope we can get this fixed soon :-/

dewet|™ 14:40, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

PS: Yeah, I'm the same dewet ;)

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Schleicher ASW 12

The ASW 12, initially known as the AS 12, is a single-seat Sailplane of glass composite construction. The wing is shoulder mounted and it has a T-tail. It is essentially a developed production version of the Akaflieg Darmstadt D-36.

History
In 1965 Gerhard Waibel left the Technical University of Darmstadt to enter Alexander Schleicher GmbH & Co as a designer. His first project for his new employer was the ASW 12. This sailplane achieved numerous records and victories in national and international competitions. The exploits of Hans-Werner Grosse in an ASW 12 are legendary, e.g. the 1,461 km flight of April 25, 1972 from Lübeck to Biarritz which stood for thirty years as the absolute World Free Distance Record. Previously, on July 26, 1970, Ben Greene and Wally Scott co-set a World Free Distance Record by flying separate ASW-12 sailplanes a distance of 1153.82 km from Odessa, TX to Columbus, NE.

The ASW12 was succeeded by the ASW17.

Construction
The fuselage of the ASW 12 was extremely slender for its time. It had a retractable landing gear and a two-piece canopy, of greater depth than was the case with the D-36. Each individual fuselage was manufactured - as with the D-36 - in two halves laid-up on positive molds. Construction comprised a double sandwich of glass-fibre reinforced composite over balsa wood.

The wings are double-tapered with a modified Wortmann FX 62-K-131 profile at the root and Wortmann FX 60-126 at the tip. The wings were of fiberglass/balsa wood sandwich construction and were built in the traditional manner using negative molds.

For approach and landing control the ASW 12 possessed a braking parachute rather than traditional spoilers or airbrakes. The system proved unreliable and a number of ASW 12 were retrofitted with a second parachute to reduce the risk of an unsuccessful landing.

title: Schleicher ASW 12


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Talk:Protestantism in Puerto Rico

Present situation
I would like that the writer of the article state a reference for this line " According to The San Juan Star, 40% of Puerto Ricans are Protestant, 40% are Catholic." All references I find (eg, CIA Factbook, other online resources, everyone I ask about in PR, etc.) clearly define the Roman Catholic Church as a majority. If a refernce is not given I will proceed to delete the above line. Joelito 21:35, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Dear Joelito:

The San Juan Star has a page of statistics about Puerto Rico which it publishes regularly, providing this information; I did state that estimates vary widely. The Puerto Rico Evangélico commissioned a survey several years ago, from which it came to this conclusion (Go to the Evangelical Seminary in Rio Piedras, ask for it. The investigator was Angel Gutierrez). Published statistics usually are behind the demographic reality. Have you seen recent religious statistics about the rest of Latin America? Do you think we are behind in this change? Do you really believe the Ponce, Mayaguez, etc Catholic dioceses'reports that they have 80% of the population? If the Arecibo and San Juan dioceses say they have 60% of the population and they count on the basis of Baptisms, as if no one in their lifetimes converted, then you must conclude they have no more than 50% tops! It doesn't matter much if you don't accept these statistics, sooner or later, the percentage will be reached (I admit they might be overstated. I reckon 25% is the base, 45% tops, but there are no real scientific surveys!). See also Pablo Deirós Protestantismo en América Latina. Editorial Caribe 1997, p. 176. In a table taken from Johnston, Operation World, he states for 1995 that PR was 28% Prot. and that the PERCENTAGE would double in 15 years, =2010, if present trends continue. I know most people in Puerto Rico are not aware of the strength of the change; perhaps only those who pay political polls know. Do you have access to any in the big parties? They should know. aag 9 oct 05

title: Talk:Protestantism in Puerto Rico