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Talk:2007 Atlantic hurricane season

2007 Tropical Cyclone Summary

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SUMMARY TABLE

NAME             DATES       MAX WIND   DEATHS   U.S. DAMAGE MPH               $MILLION --- STS ANDREA       9-11 MAY       60         0        MINOR TS BARRY         1- 2 JUN       60         0        MINOR TS CHANTAL     31 JUL-1 AUG     50         0          0 H DEAN          13-23 AUG      175        32          0 TS ERIN         15-19 AUG       40        16         25 H FELIX        31 AUG-5 SEP    175       130          0 TS GABRIELLE     8-11 SEP       60         0          0 H HUMBERTO      12-14 SEP       90         1         50 TS INGRID       12-17 SEP       45         0          0 TD TEN          21-22 SEP       35         0          0 TS JERRY        23-24 SEP       40         0          0 H KAREN         25-29 SEP       75         0          0 H LORENZO       25-28 SEP       80         6          0 TS MELISSA      28-30 SEP       40         0          0 TD FIFTEEN      11-12 OCT       30         0          0 H NOEL         28 OCT-2 NOV     80       163          0 TS OLGA         11-13 DEC       60        40          0 --
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B+ class
Wait, does it JUST need a season summary to get it to GA or A-class? Weatherlover819 (talk) 23:09, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it also needs to be nominated at WP:GAN, but I think that would be something required to satisfy WP:WIAGA §3 or WP:WIAFA §1.b. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 23:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Got ya. Weatherlover819 (talk) 23:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Dorian?
What? Are you kidding me? Surely this is a joke and an actual name will come to light. Fernand? How about Fernando? This is the Atlantic. The overwhelming majority of us speak English and Spanish over here. This is ridiculous. I'm so sick of the French having to control everything. Dorian is nearly as disgusting and embarrassing as Fifi, and Fifi only wins because it killed 8,000 people. When there are a plethora of normal "D" names to chose from, a bunch of high-born Europeans who don't know the first thing about meteorology pick a name that sounds like a fruit and a grand total of two people have been unfortunate enough to be tagged with. Why are European names being put on North American lists? Let North American countries name the storms that hit North America. There's a novel idea. Do the whole Asian thing where names are submitted by the nations who are carrying out the body bags. The WMO is turning the Atlantic naming system into a joke. These storms kill people. Give the storms names that have meaning to those affected. Some may not think it's a big deal but I think it's disgusting. -- Hurricane ERIC - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 20:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Because Haiti speaks French and gets pummeled every other year? Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 20:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Felix didn't even significantly affect a French territory. I actually don't have a problem with "Nestor". Plus, Haiti should be the one requesting retirement, not France. Haiti is it's own nation and can speak for itself. Nicaragua should submit a new name for Felix. They may have chosen not to for whatever reason so France, never missing an opportunity, decided to submit a name for them...of course a French name. The Spanish version; Fernando should be used, not the French Fernand. Also, Mexico has full rights over Dean. Mexico lost more people and suffered more damage. I doubt I will ever understand "Dorian". I thought it was a joke to be honest. Even the WMO is usually better than that. -- Hurricane ERIC - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 21:26, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There are limits placed on names used within the hurricane lists. If Fernand was the replacement, Felix must have been a French first name as well.  Spanish names are replaced with Spanish names, Dutch names with dutch names, etcetera.  Thegreatdr (talk) 21:28, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Felix, as I understand it, is Spanish. Fernando is the Spanish form of "Ferdinand", "Fernand" is not. A quick Google search revealed that the WMO is back to heavy drug use again:
 * "DORIAN: This name was invented by Oscar Wilde for a character in his novel The Portrait of Dorian Gray, 1891. He probably derived it from the Latin name Dorianus, itself from a Greek tribal name. If so, the name simply means 'Dorian' or 'of the Dorian tribe.'" -- Hurricane ERIC - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 21:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "Dean" is English, "Felix" is Latin and "Noel" is French. "Dorian" is Greek, "Fernand" is French and "Nestor" is Greek. So, David, if the limits you mentioned are rules, they ain't following them...or (as they will probably claim if confronted) that the roots of the origninal names (as with most names) are Greek and Latin. Ferdinand came from the Visigoths. -- Hurricane ERIC - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 21:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi. Please keep all discussion unrelated to articles at the Hurricanes Wikia. Thanks. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 22:04, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Astro, but I feel this is relevant as it has to do with content included in the article. Chronicalling a storm as it's developing and the forecasts that go with it. That is less relevant and should be kept on the Wikia until it's past tense. This is different. I trust you now see how blurry the lines are between what should be on the talk page and what should be in the Forum. -- Hurricane ERIC - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 22:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * AstroHurricane is correct. This discussion has nothing to do with improving and maintaining the article. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  20:28, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Rewrite
I'm working on a rewrite of this article at User:Juliancolton/Sandbox1, and before finishing it off I'd like to get some suggestions, feedback, and maybe a small collaboration to get the article to FA before June 1, 2009. Any comments are appreciated. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  02:32, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Put User:Juliancolton/Sandbox1 above 2007 Atlantic hurricane season, and you're set. I don't see why we need to remove the listing of storms we have right now. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 02:38, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Question regarding the "Impact" section
Quoting from the article:

"The 2007 season was severe in terms of damage. Collectively, storms caused about 416 fatalities and approximately $7.5 million (2007 USD) in damage. [...] Dean also left $616 million (2007 USD) in damage on Martinique and $154 million (2007 USD) on Guadeloupe."

If the collective damage of the storms was estimated at $7.5 million, Dean alone couldn't have caused $616 million in damage, could it? Was the $7.5 million number supposed to be billion, with a b? ekedolphin (talk) 08:01, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed, good catch. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  13:43, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Dean's ACE
The ACE section needs to be updated. The maximum sustained winds were change on April 7, 2008, per NHC. Weatherlover819 (talk) 09:00, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

 * I've updated it. It changed from 35.5625 to 35.2325; difference of 0.33 from the four 85kts changed to 80kts. -- RattleMan 10:10, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

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 * I agree that the dates should not be autoformatted. There are a healthy number of wikilinks in this article already, and the blue dates just confuses the issue. Like Tony I also want to mention that I will be participating in the FAC review, but this matter, being a matter of preference rather than obligation, will not sway my opinion.  Plasticup  T / C  16:46, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree 100% about the disadvantages to autoformatting. As such, I removed all the links. Cheers, Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  17:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Julian—I should have said that I have a script to do it in a jiffy. Tony   (talk)  10:19, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, that would have been a luxury! Oh well, it was probably better to give me something to keep me busy for a while. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  13:27, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Repetitions
I'm having trouble deciding what to do about the lead. The word "season" is repeated 12 times in the first two paragraphs, which makes them sound mechanical. For example, stripped of modifiers, the first sentence of the article says "The season was a season". My opinion is that the lead should be re-written in more varied language. Some of the instances of "season" could simply be dropped, and others could be eliminated by re-phrasing. I think this is a job, though, for the primary contributors rather than a copyeditor. Finetooth (talk) 17:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I had some trouble with the lead when I was writing it. I tried to remove or rephrase some of it, but if you feel it needs to be completely rewritten, please let me know. Thanks, Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  17:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Merge the list article?
Same along the lines of 2002, 2009, 1994... not sure if there were any others. The list article is not featured, meaning there will be some issues to tackle if that was merged here. Some sections are unsourced, but I am fine with adding sources for all of them to ensure the main article remains featured. Long story short though, there is no need to have two articles containing the exact same information. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:31, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I proposed this three years ago. Anyone have any further thoughts? ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:30, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * No objection. Cloudchased (talk) 16:33, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Dead Link
The Links to TS Barry Lead to Tropical Storm Barry (2007 instead of Tropicsl Storm Barry(2007).someone fix it please? 76.124.224.179 (talk) 20:02, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:2001 Atlantic hurricane season

Image for each storm
I am trying to get an image for each storm, like 2005. I have started uploading ones that aren't on Wikipedia yet, and they are listed below. If you find a better image, feel free to replace it.

 * Tropical Storm Barry
 * Tropical Storm Chantal
 * Tropical Storm Dean
 * Hurricane Erin
 * Hurricane Felix
 * Hurricane Gabrielle- This is after Florida landfall. Can you find something better, and should it be a hurricane pic?
 * Hurricane Humberto
 * Tropical Storm Jerry
 * Hurricane Karen
 * Tropical Storm Lorenzo
 * Hurricane Noel
 * Hurricane Olga

Should Gabrielle be before Florida or as a hurricane? Can't find ones of Felix, Jerry, or Lorenzo at their peaks. Hurricanehink 21:54, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Got them all. Hopefully they are good enough. Hurricanehink 20:53, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

ACE?
At Talk:Accumulated_Cyclone_Energy/Atlantic_by_year are the ACE values I've calculated from the best-track. This conflicts with the ACE given in this article. Why? Is there a source for the data in this article? Jdorje 01:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
Fixed vandalism in the Naming sections, where the names were altered (such as "Wendy" becoming "your mama" and "Tanya" becoming "Tj") as well as a few explicit sentences at the end. Jake52 23:26, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Another depression?
According to this, there was a depression over canada. But it's possible that it's not a tropical depression, as it doen't say that. What do you people think? íslenska hurikein #12(samtal) 21:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Nice pic, but no need to mention it. It is clearly extratropical. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 21:13, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Storm section
Why can't you just do what all other articles do: put a list of the storms in that section?! Rory (reply on my page!) (talk) 22:54, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Should we go back to the old format? ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:36, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

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Merge list article?
This one slipped by. Should we merge the "list of storms" article? It's highly redundant. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:16, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of Hurricane Humberto (2001) into 2001 Atlantic hurricane season
Fails WP:NWX as there was no damage or fatalities from the storm and overall minimal impact. Noah, AATalk 14:50, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge. Minor impact. The season article would be greatly improved by absorbing the content from the Humberto article. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:15, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Merge Does not warrant a standalone article for the reasons stated. This storm's story can be well told within the season article. Drdpw (talk) 21:57, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Because I feel that the sailing record mentioned in the article would be removed from 2001 Atlantic hurricane season should a merger proceed. And that is encyclopediac content.--134.6.205.51 (talk) 19:29, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * That's not something that should prevent a merger from happening. Opposing due to something that may or may not even happen and should have a discussion (for inclusion or exclusion) in and of itself isn't a valid rationale. Noah, AATalk 16:11, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep — While it only had minor impacts, it does pass WP:NEVENT. WP:NWX is a helpful guide, but is not full policy/guidelines. Actually, a search on Google Scholar for “Hurricane Humberto 2001” pulled up several academic/research articles including: A Model Study of Gravity Waves over Hurricane Humberto (2001) {2008 case study}, The formation of hurricane Humberto (2001): The importance of extra-tropical precursors {2007 case study}, and The Evolution of Hurricane Humberto (2001) {2014 case study}. Seems clear that while the hurricane had minimal impacts, the hurricane itself is notable and has lasting coverage. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 23:26, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The question I have with you voting keep on every one of these discussions you are participating in is why should there be an article on an individual storm if it comes at the expense of the season article? Keeping smaller articles on questionably notable storms ends up being bad in the long-run because the season article suffers from a lack of material. Either the articles get merged if it would be beneficial or the season article gets sent to GAR/FAR for not covering the major aspects or not being comprehensive. I will tell you from experience that not every journal should be included in an article (relevance) and that a passing mention does nothing to establish notability. I will also tell you that many of these storms have impact that would fall under WP:ROUTINE since it's expected for minimal damage to occur from either winds or water. While these aren't true fish storms, they are the low-hanging fruit. There are cases where I have not nominated small articles since the season section is fleshed out appropriately and a merge wouldn't be needed. Your choice here, but if you do this on every discussion we have now and in the future in cases where almost everyone else agrees a merge is appropriate, I would consider it to be disruptive towards the goal of improving the encyclopedia. Noah, AATalk 00:12, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * , I would strongly suggest you strike your direct personal attack against me. I have commented in exactly 3 proposed merges you have started in the last 10 days. Saying "in the future in cases where almost everyone else agrees a merge is appropriate, I would consider it to be disruptive towards the goal of improving the encyclopedia is the exact opposite of how it should be as you should focus entirely on the content and not the editor. If I see any further very well directed and unwarrented attacks against me for commenting in a basic proposed merge discussion that you started, I will go to AN/I as I did nothing wrong. I did not attack you in my comment. I never mentioned a single editor and I focused entirely on the article and on why I think it should be kept. So please, strike your personal attack and focus on the dang content and not on my 3 comments. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 01:06, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not striking anything. It would be pointless considering it's still there regardless. You quickly commented on these proposed merges in short order, making it look like you were going to oppose every single merger if journals covering something tangentially related to the storm existed. I merely stated what I would consider to be disruptive actions as a caution to not go down that path, not that you have done something disruptive as of this point. Did you read all these ahead of time before making the comments or did you simply find them and post them here? I ask because I'm not certain whether you did so or not since the comments were made in quick succession. Some of the various journals seem like relevant meteorological/impact topics while others do not. Noah, AATalk 01:33, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Hurricane Olga into 2001 Atlantic hurricane season
Fails WP:NWX since the impact was minimal. Other than it being large and lasting a while, the storm isn't very notable. The season section in this article is in dire need of an expansion and merging this article would give it the material it so desperately needs. Noah, AATalk 16:09, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep — Passes WP:NEVENT and has lasting coverage. A quick search on Google Scholar turned up: The Role of Atmospheric Processes Associated with Hurricane Olga in the December 2001 Floods in Israel {2004 case study} and An evaluation of the role of hurricane Olga (2001) in an extreme rainy event in Israel using dynamic tropopause maps {2006 case study}. Noting there were several other articles not directly about Hurricane Olga that made some level of mention of Hurricane Olga. An example is A southeastern Mediterranean PV streamer and its role in December 2001 case with torrential rains in Israel, a 2007 case study. It seems clear that Hurricane Olga had lasting coverage, and honestly, seems to have impacts that have yet to be mentioned in the article, just from the look at the academic articles mentioning impacts in Israel. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 23:34, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per WeatherWriter, the article passes WP:LASTING and thus, WP:NEVENT per the references above. Noting that WP:NWX is not an official notability guideline, but rather an essay on notability. The extent of impacts does not determine the notability of an event. ~ Tails   Wx  (🐾, me!) 15:40, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:2000 Atlantic hurricane season

Images for each storm
I am trying to get an image for each storm, like 2005. I have started uploading ones that aren't on Wikipedia yet, and they are listed below. If you find a better image, feel free to replace it.

 * Tropical Storm Beryl
 * Tropical Storm Chris
 * Hurricane Debby
 * Tropical Storm Ernesto- Please find a better one.
 * Huricane Florence
 * Hurricane Gordon
 * Tropical Storm Helene
 * Hurricane Isaac
 * Hurricane Joyce
 * Tropical Storm Leslie
 * Hurricane Michael
 * Tropical Storm Nadine
 * Subtropical Storm

I'm in the process of getting them. Hurricanehink 01:33, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Got them all. Just in case you wanted the Subtropical Storm, I included that as well. Hurricanehink 16:19, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Subtropical storm - #19?
Wouldn't it have been numbered as 19L.NONAME and been officially Subtropical Storm 19? I thought that was how they did it before 2002 when they started naming them. CrazyC83 02:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

 * The NRL Navy archive doesn't even have it there for some reason. However, they do have Subtropical Storm Nicole from 2004...
 * Also, on another note, while looking through the archives to find the answer, I found Cyclone Catarina sat images:.
 * -- RattleMan 03:42, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

 * The storm wasn't classified operationally. In a post-analysis, it was upgraded to a Subtropical Storm. However, operationally, Reconaissance Aircraft went in, and TWO's mentioned the psossibility of tropical or subtropical development. Hurricanehink 03:48, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Templates
Shouldn't we use the templates that the 2005 Hurricane Season has for the storms? And shouldn't we do it for most other seasons?Icelandic Hurricane [[http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/count_edits?user=Icelandic+Hurricane&dbname=enwiki_p]] 01:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Huh? "The templates?"  What templates? — jdorje (talk) 08:41, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Subtropical Storm?
Should we write a paragraph for this? I've noted it briefly in the introduction.Momoko

 * No, the way you did is fine. Hurricanehink 17:54, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Heh, just read this after I already moved it. I don't think this small bit of trivia belongs in the intro, as it has nothing to do with the season as a whole.  As is done in some other articles, I moved it into an "other storms" section. — jdorje (talk) 05:16, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

TDs
There are sections missing on TD4 (near FL) and TD9 (TX landfall).--Nilfanion (talk) 17:35, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Todo
Most sections are full, but inline refs are lacking - C-class. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:14, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry it took so long, I have finally added the inline refs. Upgrade article to B-class? --12george1 (talk) 01:46, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

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Merge proposal
I propose merging Hurricane Joyce (2000) into 2000 Atlantic hurricane season. Joyce caused minimal impacts, failing notability immediately, and can be easily implemented into the main article.''Flux55'' (talk) 14:54, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support merge – Given its unremarkable meteorological history, minimal impact, and limited coverage, this storm does not meet the notability threshold for a stand-alone storm article. Drdpw (talk) 00:13, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per above. 2003  LN  6  19:16, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

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The separability problem is a concept from the field of social choice theory that describes the situation where two or more issues up for vote on a ballot either are, or are perceived as, related.

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Community Group was a British political party in Doncaster, South Yorkshire, founded in 2001. The Community Group had four councillors serving on Doncaster Metropolitan Borough council in 2009. There were no Community Group councillors elected at the most recent election to Doncaster Council in 2017. The party deregistered in 2018.

The party was founded in the wake of a political scandal dubbed "Donnygate" that saw 21 Doncaster councillors convicted of expenses fraud from 1997. The party had 6 borough councillors in Doncaster in 2001. Party leader Martin Williams contested Doncaster North at the 2005 general election against Ed Miliband, receiving 2,365 votes (7.5%, in fourth place). Jessie Credland stood for election as Mayor of Doncaster for the party in 2005, coming fourth with 10,263 votes (9.4%). Garth Oxby defected to become an independent in May 2005 following a deal made with the Labour group for Community Group councillors to be given positions chairing council committees, a deal repeated the following year. Richard Walker and Jessie Credland also later left to sit as independent members. The party lost John Cooke's seat to Labour in 2007. In 2007, the party also had 10 town councillors.

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Talk:Ein al-Zeitun massacre

The flight theory
Source should be given exactly on what pages and who claim that.Shrike 18:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Reverted edit
A recent edit by User:Ynhockey misleads the reader to think that Palestinian sources dispute the massacre and claims only one casualty. This is incorrect for two reasons: I am reverting.--Doron 20:47, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) The given source does not deny the massacre, it merely neglects to mention it.
 * 2) The given source is by no means an authority on the subject, unlike the two references by Palestinian authors.

Single Source
Nearly every claim in this article is sourced to Morris, or to an author citing Morris. As such, it would be appropriate to add the following tag: Scharb (talk) 20:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

 * There are multiple references cited to support this article. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 21:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

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Gabriele Veneziano

Gabriele Veneziano (born 7 September 1942) is an Italian theoretical physicist widely considered the father of string theory. He has conducted most of his scientific activities at CERN in Geneva, Switzerland, and held the Chair of Elementary Particles, Gravitation and Cosmology at the Collège de France in Paris from 2004 to 2013, until the age of retirement there.

Life
Gabriele Veneziano was born in Florence. In 1965, he earned his Laurea in Theoretical Physics from the University of Florence under the direction of. He pursued his doctoral studies at the Weizmann Institute of Science in Rehovot, Israel and obtained his PhD in 1967 under the supervision of Hector Rubinstein. During his stay in Israel, he collaborated, among others, with Marco Ademollo (a professor in Florence) and Miguel Virasoro (an Argentinian physicist who later became a professor in Italy). During his years at MIT, he collaborated with many colleagues, primarily with Sergio Fubini (an MIT professor, later a member of the Theory Division and of the Directorate at CERN in Geneva, Switzerland).

Between 1968 and 1972 he worked at MIT and was a summer visitor of the Theory Division at CERN. In 1972 he accepted the Amos de Shalit Professor of Physics chair at the Weizmann Institute of Science in Rehovot, Israel. In 1976-1978 he accepted a permanent position in the Theory Division at CERN in Geneva, Switzerland, a position that he held until the age of retirement in 2007 and where he has been since then Honorary member. Between 1994 and 1997, he was Director of the Theory Division. He also held the chair of Elementary Particles, Gravitation and Cosmology at the College of France in Paris, France (2004-2013), of which he is currently an Honorary Professor. He visited many Universities all over the world. More recently he was Global Distinguished Professor at New York University and is Sackler Professor at Tel-Aviv University.

Research
Gabriele Veneziano first formulated the foundations of string theory in 1968 when he discovered a string picture that could describe the interaction of strongly interacting particles. Veneziano discovered that the Euler Beta function, interpreted as a scattering amplitude, has many of the features needed to explain the physical properties of strongly interacting particles. This amplitude, known as the Veneziano amplitude, is interpreted as the scattering amplitude for four open string tachyons. In retrospect this work is now considered the founding of string theory although at the time it was not apparent the string picture would lead to a new theory of quantum gravity.

Veneziano's work led to intense research to try to explain the strong force by a field theory of strings about one fermi in length. The rise of quantum chromodynamics, a rival explanation of the strong force, led to a temporary loss of interest in string theories until the 1980s when interest was revived.

In 1991, he published a paper that shows how an inflationary cosmological model can be obtained from string theory, thus opening the door to a description of string cosmological pre-big bang scenarios.

Society memberships

 * National Academy of Sciences of Turin (1994)
 * Lincei National Academy (1996)
 * French Academy of Sciences (2002)

Awards

 * Pomeranchuk Prize, 1999
 * Gold medal della Repubblica Italiana come Benemerito della Cultura, 2000
 * Dannie Heineman Prize for Mathematical Physics, from the American Physical Society, 2004
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Talk:1999 Atlantic hurricane season

Tropical Depressions?
I'd just like to know why tropical depressions aren't listed in the storm summaries, as they are in later years (i.e. '04 and '05). If anyone could answer me I'd be grateful. -- Sarsaparilla39 09:20, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

 * 1991 has it done like normal.HurricaneCraze32 02:21, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Hurricane Dennis image
I'm having trouble trying to put an image of Hurricane Dennis(1999) on the article. heres the image im trying to upload;http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/images/hurr-dennis-19990830-1957utc-n14cl.jpg User:164.106.201.50 10:45, 2 December 2005

Images for each storm
I am trying to get an image for each storm, like 2005. I have started uploading ones that aren't on Wikipedia yet, and they are listed below. If you find a better image, feel free to replace it.
 * Tropical Storm Arlene
 * Hurricane Cindy
 * Tropical Storm Emily- Can you find something better?
 * Hurricane Gert
 * Tropical Storm Harvey- Can you find something better?
 * Hurricane Jose
 * Tropical Storm Katrina

Nice and easy. Hurricanehink 23:55, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Ive got my own hurricane website and I searched for ages for images for this season because I want an image for every storm back to at least 1997. Anyways, I got great images for all the storms of 1999 that I wouldn't mind sharing. I should have them uploaded to the site pretty soon here, so you can use them if you like. Just click the link ,then go to storm archives and so on.Weatherman90 21:14, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Make sure they are all public domain! Jdorje 21:22, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
Reverted annoying vandalism.juan andrés 22:41, 16 January 2006 (UTC) 82.45.238.200 vandalized Gert and Irene sections.juan andrés 22:44, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Typo
Corected untill typo in Emily. juan andrés 05:39, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Possible Storms
This weather reportstated that the were possibly another tropical depression and one possible tropical storm. And get this, they were named after the Greek Alphabet!. Storm05 16:38, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Well... those subtropical storms were unofficial. Gary Padgett named them after the Greek Alphabet thinking they would never be used. It was in his opinion that they were storms, but it is unofficial. Still, those two are cool. Hurricanehink 16:40, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

 * That's not a weather report. That's one guy's blog/email about what he thought the weather was. — jdorje (talk) 18:02, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

TO DO
Weatherman90 02:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Get Tracks for TDs 2,7,11,12

Here is a link from the Cuban Meteorological Department, that has a nice writeup on the season. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 14:50, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Tropical Depression 11
I'm going to fish around for some additional information on this system. It appears that it was a once in 400 year flood event for Vera Cruz, with over 40 inches of rain in 3 days. There's no doubt this rain was associated with the cyclone, but there were rains in the region independent of this system in September that likely saturated the soils in the region, and filled the dams in advance of the passage of this system. Just saw a special on Science or Discovery that mentioned how it changed the course of a river back to its old mouth. That's significant. I'll see if I can obtain some track from NHC for this system. Thegreatdr 10:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Good idea. 384 deaths definitely warrants an article if enough information can be found. CrazyC83 21:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree. I am already working on it. Juliancolton (talk) 20:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

To-do
I created a new page for the comments from the Peer Review. The page would have been too long so I had to create a new page here. You may not edit the Peer Review, but you may edit (e.g. Strike-through text ) it at the new page. --12george1 (talk) 02:23, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

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Hurricane Cindy
I been thinking why does Hurricanes Gert, Floyd, Lenny, and Bret get their main pages but not Cindy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:18A:8280:47C3:6CDE:D593:107F:E8FF (talk) 11:58, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It's because Cindy had no impact on land and was not an interesting storm in general. Why Bret, Floyd, and Lenny have pages is rather obvious. Cooper 17:36, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Ok thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:18A:8280:47C3:6CDE:D593:107F:E8FF (talk) 19:33, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Image chanages
Why dont we swtich some of the old images into new ones like Hurricane Floyd's or Bret's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tardis459 (talk • contribs) 16:03, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:1995 Atlantic hurricane season

Images of each storm
Another year, another set of images.

 * Hurricane Allison
 * Tropical Storm Barry
 * Tropical Storm Chantal
 * Tropical Storm Dean
 * Hurricane Felix
 * Tropical Storm Gabrielle
 * Hurricane Humberto
 * Hurricane Iris
 * Tropical Storm Jerry
 * Tropical Storm Karen
 * Hurricane Noel
 * Tropical Storm Pablo
 * Tropical Storm Sebastien
 * Hurricane Tanya

Will finish later. Too many to do. Hurricanehink 01:34, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Added Pablo. Hurricanehink 00:46, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Added Noel. And now I have to go. Ugh, if I could only finish now... Hurricanehink 15:38, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Almost done. Hurricanehink 17:27, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Done... finally. Hurricanehink 22:03, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Todo
Content is fairly complete, but the article is lacking sources, wording is poor in some places, and the pictures haven't been added yet. Jdorje 08:30, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Tanya
The tanya section makes little sense. There's argument about whether the storm was a Category 1 or a Category 3 hurricane when it hit "the island". What island? The only land affected was the Azores islands, while Tanya was extratropical and had gale-force winds. — jdorje (talk) 06:32, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

 * The Category 3 statement has no sources. The unofficial reading part was a good idea, but I think it should be removed. Hurricanehink 13:44, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Small infoboxes for page
1995 is the 3rd most active season in history with many notable storms.Dont you think this page deserves a set of small infoboxes?HurricaneCraze32 23:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Do you mean actual infoboxes or small infoboxes used in 2004 and 2005? Hurricanehink 19:54, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

 * The Small ones and thats 2002-2005.HurricaneCraze32 20:41, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

 * OK. That's not a bad idea. Hurricanehink 01:16, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

 * It does well-when i get home from my dad's company i can start.If everyone agrees that is..I made Allison as an example.HurricaneCraze32 01:18, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I thought we agreed we were going to use a table format for season statistics, rather than the infobox format? — jdorje (talk) 06:59, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

 * The results of the discussion was rather ambiguous, so it could go either way. I personally like the table format, so when you finish the templates, someone could tablize everything. Hurricanehink 00:55, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Article links-i have an easier way-to save space-link the titles.HurricaneCraze32 23:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Unneeded table
I removed the following table from the article. I'm not sure of its purpose, so I'll just put it here for now. It's merely a table of the most active seasons, which can easily be said in words. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:07, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Possible storm
According to Jack Beven's summaries there was a possible (sub)tropical storm with approximate peak winds of 45kts located to the S of Nova Scotia and E of Virginia - visible in this GIBBS image.--Nilfanion (talk) 21:46, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Cool, but can we ut in it? →Cycl   one1 → 23:56, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Ut in it? Do you mean put IT in?Mitchazenia (8600+edits) 00:17, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * If you can source it, sure, you could put it in an other storms section. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:21, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Give me some time and I'll get Jack Beven's info out...--Nilfanion (talk) 11:30, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

What's next?
Here's a good site regarding why the season was so active. Some of that should probably be added. Looking at the article as a whole, we might be able to do a redo of 2005. Yes, I am talking about having articles for all storms and having a season summary, not a list of storms. I don't know, maybe I'm foolish and shouldn't even think of it, but it could potentially work. Thoughts? Hurricanehink ( talk ) 22:00, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Right now, this is the season I am most heavily targetting for new articles. I don't think the 2005 format should be used; it should be modelled after 2003 and 2004 as they were not a whole lot less active; 2005 was "off the charts" and deserves special treatment. CrazyC83 02:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

New style season format
I think the new style for the season format should be used for 1995. Clarifying what I am saying, I would like to but the layout for the 1995 season as the summary for June-November, then create a separate article, List of storms in the 1995 Atlantic hurricane season. View the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season page and List of storms in the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season for reference. I would like to see this because the format it is intended for extremely active seasons, and 1995 just so happens to be one, although people have recently gone crazy and made this for 1994 and most years in the 2000's, even 2006 and 2009. So because of the extreme amounts of tropical activity, I believe that the 1995 Atlantic hurricane season deserves this special format. I have also noticed that most of the seasons with this formation end up as a Featured Article, while other seasons don't, such as 2000, 2004, and 2008, although I also plan on pushing the format for those three seasons.--12george1 (talk) 15:40, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Good luck with that. Should we do the same with the PHS's? YE  Tropical   Cyclone  17:04, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Currently I am working on it for 1995 in a sandbox, but I am only up to Chantal at the moment.--12george1 (talk) 17:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I personally feel there is a major redundancy issue when having the new style, the list article, as well as a timeline, not to mention the numerous articles. Basically it is a content fork just so there can be the old style and new style. That said, I'll take my rant elsewhere, but I agree with 1995 getting the new format. Be sure to emphasize monthly records and notable events within the season (for example, the August paragraph should begin by mentioning there being four named storms at the same time, as well as there being three hurricanes at the same time). Hurricanehink ( talk ) 19:22, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, anyone is welcome to help me piece this thing together, click here and start editing if you desire. Believe me, this is a lot of work and it should probably qualify at least as a c-class article when the new format is posted on the main 1995 AHS article. If is lower than c-class, there would be no reason to do this since it would only degrade the article quality.--12george1 (talk) 04:13, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

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Hurricane Roxanne intensity: cat3 or cat5?
What's the real intensity of Hurricane Roxanne? This article says Cat3 and the article for Roxanne says Cat5. To my knowledge, the hurricane achieved cat3.

"Tropcial Storm Sebastien (1995)" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Tropcial Storm Sebastien (1995). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. CycloneYoris talk! 17:21, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:1992 Atlantic hurricane season

Images for each storm

 * Subtropical Storm One
 * Hurricane Bonnie
 * Hurricane Charley
 * Tropical Storm Danielle- Sorry bout the crappy quality, but this is the best there is. Hurricanehink
 * Tropical Storm Earl- See above. Hurricanehink
 * Hurricane Frances

 * Another year down, and that was lucky. Not sure how far back every storm will have an image on them. Hurricanehink 20:28, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Subtropical Storm One
Where is the Subtropical Storm One trackmap?

 * On the main page... Hurricanehink 23:08, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

About Tropical Depression
Thanks for the person who added the depressions info, but next time remember that depressions have no tracks juan andrés 04:43, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Yea, I forgot about that one when I added the pics. Hurricanehink 12:38, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Andrew
Before my latest copyedit, the Andrew section was horrendous (it didn't even mention that the storm struck Florida!). I added some more quick info, but I marked this as since it needs some "real" storm history. — jdorje (talk) 08:36, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Define, "real" storm history, because I cant find anything wrong with the info in this section if not then im removing the banner since it only clutters up the article and that no one had disscussed anything about it. Storm05 17:59, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

 * The andrew section defies the principle of notability: the most notable storms should have the most detail. However andrew has the *least* detail of any storm this season.  Unlike every other storm it has no meteorological details like "Strong upper-level westerly winds weakened the storm", it just says it formed, reached cat5 intensity, and made landfall. — jdorje (talk) 20:13, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

What is up!?
Whats up with the lame pictures of Danielle and Earl? No offense to who put them there, but you gotta have somethin better than that? Anything? Cyclone1 02:33, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I know they are horrible, but that is the best that exists online. The website that provided other similar time period images doesn't work for those storms. Hurricanehink 02:37, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Dude, I am so sorry. I just figured that out when i tried to change them. Heh.. I feel bad now. Cyclone1 02:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

 * LOL, no problem. That's exactly what I thought in the first place; can I find anything better than these horrible images. Unfortunately no, but oh well. It's fine ;) Hurricanehink 12:42, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Lol. Cyclone1 17:53, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Andrew

 * I created a Userbox in honor of Hurricane Andrew → → User remember Andrew.  Feel free to add this to your userpage. FishHead 3:32, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

T.D. Seven
I added information on this storm since the article lacked it. If you want to alter it (add info, correct any mistakes, or even just deleting it), go ahead. PS: According to the weather reports, Tropical Depression 2 (the 1016 mb one) formed on July 24 and dissipated on the 26th (according to the archives at NHC). The TD2 portion doesn't mention the dates of formation and dissipation.Jake52 My talk

GIBBS Breakthrough
Danielle and Earl Global pics have showed up on GIBBS!! Hooray! Out with the crappy pics! I'll upload them. Danielle at landfall and the only decent picture of Earl moving away from land. Anything is better than what we have now.  →Cyclone 1→  14:11, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, Lord thats much better!  →Cyclone 1→  14:16, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That must be new, as when I look through there, those storms weren't working. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:12, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, man I'm as surprised as you are.  →Cyclone 1→  20:05, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

More no-name storms
Look at this. Here's another image. Any thoughts? It practically had an eye. →Cycl  one1 → 18:42, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Perhaps it should be mentioned in an other storms section. It does come from a governmental agency. Great find. --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:49, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

 * My thoughts exactly. If I only saw this on Gibbs I would have overlooked it, but from Nasa? I think it should be added. →Cycl   one1 → 18:57, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Looking at it again, it looks a bit frontal in the Gibbs image. --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:07, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I added it. →Cycl  one1 → 19:34, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I guess it was kind of frontal. Should we keep it? I noticed it did look a little less frontal earlier and later in its life, via-gibbs images. →Cycl   one1 → 11:01, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

 * It's fine to keep, seeing as NASA mentioned it. --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 12:49, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Fake Image
I dont think so because there's no way that storm that visable be undetected. That infomation about that storm is false. Storm05 14:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Not necessarily. It looks similar to the Gibbs image. Maybe the NHC though it was frontal operationally, and never went into further detail for the storm. It should go in an other storms section, with a disclaimer that the NHC did not upgrade it. --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:48, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

 * The image/system is not fake; my first tour of the NHC occurred while the system was existant in the western Atlantic. I believe there was a 50 kt, 1002 hPa ship report that came in during the system's life cycle.  I'm wondering if the image is from the May 10-13 system rather than the one present a few days later...that system did appear more tropical/subtropical.  It is best not to comment further upon it; the NASA image looks good, doesn't it?  Thegreatdr 17:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think so... I had a heart attack when I found that image. But what other storm are you talking about? →Cycl   one1 → 11:51, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I found it. Formed on May 16. It does look more (sub)tropical than the other.  →Cycl   one1 → 12:06, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Nope that was the same one...  →Cycl   one1 → 03:46, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

September 12, 1992 near-hurricane offshore New England
While I have your attention, consider these images from September 12, 1992 offshore New England: Visible Infrared Visible 2 Infrared 2 Visible 3 Infrared 3. This is why I added the system in as another possible storm. It briefly sported an eye on visible imagery between roughly 1500-1800 UTC, although it is not terribly obvious on this imagery. When the center went over Sable Island, Nova Scotia as a deteriorating cyclone, they issued a special observation declaring that the sun was dimly visible. There is a high chance this cyclone will be added to the database, when the reanalysis gets to 1992 in the next several years. Thegreatdr 18:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Very cool! →Cycl   one1 → 04:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

So, If anyone's keeping score...
...that's one January polar low, one May Bermuda storm, and one September hurricane. And those are just the ones posted here. I have, in my own satellite archive Another January low off of Florida. That's 4 and counting. →Cycl  one1 → 12:54, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

 * The Bermuda storm is clearly non tropical on the infrared: . See how the bands are all detached from the center? The polar low and the other January storm also look non-tropical. The only one that intrigues me is the September storm. That storm looks quite tropical with a tight inner core and decent outflow. -- § Hurricane E  RIC § archive 22:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, who knows what they'll update and what they leave as just a blurb in this talk page? Nobody knows now, though some people will know earlier than others. (lucky...) →Cycl   one1 → 04:33, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I checked the camex website and concluded (and agreeing with E.Brown) that there is no way that the may storm went undected (or not reconizied by the NHC) when the website say it had a clear eye and etc, and that "may hurricane" looks like Hurricane Bonnie in September of '92. Because of this, I concluded that the info on that website is false. Storm05 13:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Listen to what you're saying, Storm05. NASA's not playing a prank on us. They didn't fabricate a no-name storm out of Hurricane Bonnie. And saying that if a storm has a clear eye, the NHC will recognize it? They can leave storms with eyes out of the database, you know. →Cycl   one1 → 18:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Camex.4.com is a commerical website and not a NASA website and thus the info in it is dubious. Storm05 16:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's still credited to NASA, though. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, just for the record, the picture is actually Hurricane Fefa, not the May storm. Which comes to the conclusion that the infomation on the Camex.4.com webiste is compeletly bogus. Storm05 14:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

(PLEASE READ ALL OF THE FOLLOWIMNG) I wish I could agree with you, but I just can't for the following reasons: *inhales* The source says the image was taken on August 11, 1991. Fefa had long since dissipated, which pretty much invalidates that source all together. That's one nail in the coffin. Also, I strolled through most of Fefa's lifespan (3 hours, by 3 hours, by 3 painstaking hours) and noticed something. Fefa and the mystery picture are similar, except for one big difference: The eye. As far as I could tell, when Fefa had a visible eye, it always seemed to be almost perfectly centered, whereas in the picture, the eye is off to the outer side of the storm. And, whenever Fefa had an eye, the large gyre like cloud formation we see to the bottom right of the mystery storm, was nowhere to be found. Appearance: Another particularly large nail in the coffin. In addition to all this, we have the matter of the very similar looking storm near Bermuda at around the same time Camex says the photo was taken. I took this GIBBS image and rotated it and squashed it a bit to try to match the angle of the mystery storm, and came up with this result. It doesn't look exactly the same (because I have no idea what exact time the mystery image was taken), but it is very similar. Evidence of the actual mystery storm: The last nail in the coffin, it likely isn't Fefa, and due to the similar GIBBS image and the fact that Thegreatdr himself says he remembers the storm, information on Camex is still perfectly valid, thus allowing us to put it into the Other Storms section. Case closed. *inhales deeply* Man I'm tired of being right! (sorry, I've always wanted to say that) →Cycl   one1 → 23:12, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Conclusion
I conclude that the info on that camex website is false. Why?, well a google search reveles nothing except wikipeida, its mirrors and that website, no mention of the May 1992 storm on any weather blogs or fourms. Also the the 08-11-91 date on thethe offical nasa website may have been a typographical error. Also the Cyclone 1 comparisons are not good enough as the may storm was near a land mass and theres no land masses visible in the camex picture. Also this storm has a clear eye (when i mean clear eye, i mean something like or  with out any questionable features surrounding the storm that makes the NHC not to include in the database and the storm on the camex website does not have any questionble features that might make the NHC to leave it unnamed or not include in its database and Cyclone 1s counterexamples have questionable features, structure, etc that would prompt the NHC not to include in its database. Also simply saying that  Thegreatdr himself says he remembers the storm is not good enough as theres zero info on the NHC website or its archives and the fact that memories can play strange tricks. And finally (on top of all of this), i think the other storms section needs to be removed unless theres reliable source out there that can attribute to the storms above. Storm05 17:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Good points, we won't know for sure until HURDAT reanalysis reaches 1992. Cycl  one1  (22:20-9-07-2007)
 * ...which at this rate, will be 2042. Just so you know, at least a pair of May 1992 systems are within the big spreadsheet of possible additions.  One was a system which used to be considered a Type B subtropical cyclone (nowadays it would be a tropical storm) northeast of Bermuda in the 20s the month.  This might be the other...will have to recheck the spreadsheet.  I have to say though...I doubt either looked exactly like the NASA picture.  I'd like to know which cyclone that is myself.  Thegreatdr 21:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

The Real Identity of the Camex May Storm Image
After breezing by the hurricane pages, I can now say for certain I know what that image is. The timestamp wasn't wrong, as it actually was captured on 8-11-1991, except the subject of the image is really Hurricane Fefa in the Pacific. Proof is here and on the 1991 Pacific hurricane season page.  Jake52 My talk 02:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC) (EDIT: OK, maybe not from above, but then again, would it be because the timestamp was wrong? This kind of hurts my brain.) (EDIT 2: Sorry about violating the 3RR (if I am), but I have two different evidence about the Fefa/May storm mistake): 1. Camex actually does have a Fefa picture on the site (Blue Fefa, the one with it being "face on" with no bands), but that image is dated on the eleventh of OCTOBER, LONG after Fefa dissipated, so neither the May storm or Fefa have truly verifiable dates or images (during its time on the Fefa page, Blue Fefa was shown with a caption saying it was taken on "an unknown date". 2. The recent Fefa image on the main article for it (was it GoodKitty's?) shows that in the largest mass of convection, the eye actually IS misplaced, more towards a lighter group of convection, and that image also shows a broad "curve" of clouds similar to the Camex May storm.)

Depressions
Just to make sure, there were nine depressions that year. That number doesn't include Frances, but does include the subtropical storm. Good kitty 18:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I would say there were ten depressions, including Frances and the subtropical storm. Subtropical cyclones should count for depressions, IMO. --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:28, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I put nine because I think Frances went from extratropical->tropical->back Good kitty 00:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

 * But I think that Total depressions means total everything (total TD+STD+TS+STS+H). Basically, total depressions should be however high the number would've gotten on NRL (which gives a number to every TD, STD, TS, STS, and H regardless of origin). Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:27, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's what I was thinking at first, but Frances is a rare exception in that it was never a depression at any of its stages. We've never counted extratropical storms in the seasons. Good kitty 02:20, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * But Frances would have been assigned a number on NRL, as it became tropical, so it should be included as a depression. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:34, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Other storms section
Due to the controversy about some of the system list in the Other storms section, I have decided to remove that section all together. Here is some information about the "Other storms": Other information, including satellite images, can be viewed in a previous discussion on this page.--12george1 (talk) 21:17, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * A report on the storm in January 1992
 * May Bermuda storm

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Images for Each Storm

 * Tropical Storm Arlene
 * Tropical Storm Cindy
 * Tropical Storm Dennis
 * Hurricane Floyd
 * Hurricane Harvey

 * Will finish later. Bret, Gert, and Emily are in their pages. Hurricanehink 16:19, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Got Dennis. Hurricanehink 17:34, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Done. Hurricanehink 19:59, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Added storm pics
The work is already done. I hope I didn't spoil it. juan andrés 19:06, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey! Nah, just kidding, thanks for doing that. Next time, use the clear template, rather than the spacing. Hurricanehink 19:54, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Got it. You're welcome! Before I begin with the translations, is the storm pics template in commons? Because I think it would be great using it in the Spanish version. juan andrés 20:28, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I think so. Every pic I upload is in the commons, but images others upload might not be in the commons. Hurricanehink 20:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * No, there are no templates shared in commons, and I don't think that they can be shared. Just copy it over...or even better, copy over and use . Jdorje 21:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Whoops, mis-read. Hurricanehink 22:01, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Tropical Depression 10
Does this need a section? Good kitty 01:12, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, of course :P--Nilfanion (talk) 01:18, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey all. I'm doing hurricane research at the University of Florida. Currently I'm using these pages simply for names of storms since the model I'm extracting data from (SHIPS) only contains the first four letters of each name. Some wiki pages are missing storms that were tracked using this model. As far as my reason for writing here; TD10 occured September 29-31 and not October 29-31. I went ahead and made the changes on the page but figured I should introduce myself, lest I make any more edits. Inxtricablfate 02:45, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Superstorm
It would be trivial, but as the 1993 superstorm was subtropical, would it be worth a brief mention of it?  HurricaneFan 25  19:09, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * There's no evidence it was subtropical. If some agency said it was (and not a mere reference to the system having some tropical characteristics), then it might be worth mentioning, along the lines of the 1994 Christmas nor'easter. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 19:55, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

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