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Wisden Trophy

The Wisden Trophy was awarded to the winner of the Test cricket series played between England and the West Indies. It was first awarded in 1963 to commemorate the hundredth edition of Wisden Cricketers' Almanack. Series were played in accordance with the future tours programme, with varying lengths of time between tours. If a series was drawn then the country holding the Wisden Trophy retained it. In 2020, it was announced that the trophy would be replaced by the Richards–Botham Trophy named after Sir Vivian Richards and Sir Ian Botham.

The trophy is named after the famous cricketing publisher Wisden and was presented by John Wisden & Co after gaining the approval of the Marylebone Cricket Club (MCC) and the West Indies Cricket Board (WICB). The Wisden Trophy was presented to the victorious team as a symbol of its victory, but then returned to the MCC Museum at Lord's. Starting with the 2000 Wisden Trophy series, the Malcolm Marshall Memorial Trophy was awarded to the leading wicket taker in the series.

England won the 2020 series, the final series in which the trophy was at stake, and thus retain it in perpetuity. England held the trophy for nine years, after beating the West Indies 3–1 in 2000, regaining it for the first time since 1969; they successfully defended the trophy three times. West Indies regained the trophy in the 2009 series in the West Indies, winning 1–0. It was originally planned to consist of four Test matches. However an extra match was arranged when the second Test had to be abandoned after only a few overs of play because the ground was unfit. England regained the trophy in May 2009, winning a two Test series 2–0. The tour, coming uncommonly soon after England toured the West Indies, replaced the previously announced tour by Sri Lanka, which in turn was arranged to replace the originally scheduled tour by Zimbabwe. England held the trophy up to and including the 2017 series in England. The West Indies won the 2019 series 2–1 on home soil.

Inauguration and form
In 1963 John Wisden & Co. Ltd, with the approval of the MCC and the WICB, presented the first Wisden Trophy, to be contested in a similar manner to the Ashes.

The trophy is around 30 centimetres high, and a similar distance across its base. At the centre is an image of John Wisden. To Wisden's left is a smaller figure of a batsman taking guard, while to Wisden's right is a bowler in his delivery stride. Directly below Wisden is a plaque, on either side of which are the emblems of the English and West Indian teams. The plaque reads: This Trophy, to be competed for between England and West Indies in 1963 and succeeding Test series, was presented by Wisden's to commemorate the publication in 1963 of the 100th edition of Wisden's Cricketers' Almanack.

1963 Inaugural trophy
With the growing Caribbean following in England, the West Indies entered the series as one of the most popular touring nations. Lance Gibbs' 11 wickets at Old Trafford set up a commanding 10 wicket win for the West Indies. The second match at Lord's was chiefly remembered for its dramatic ending; all results were possible going into the final over of the match. England required eight runs to win but only had two wickets left. From the fourth ball of the over Derek Shackleton was run out, which meant that Colin Cowdrey had to come out with a broken arm with two balls of the match remaining. He did not have to face a ball, and the match ended in a draw. The third Test saw Fred Trueman claim 12 wickets ensuring England won by 217 runs. Charlie Griffith's 6/36 in the fourth and Conrad Hunte's 108 in the final Test meant the West Indies won the next two Tests and the series finished 3–1. The final Test saw a pitch invasion when Basil Butcher scored the winning runs for the West Indies.

As a result of the great success of this series, England's future home Test programme was revised so that the West Indies could return in 1966, much earlier than originally planned. This was done by introducing "twin tours", in which two countries would each play three Tests against England in the course of a season.

1966 Garry Sobers' series
Garry Sobers was the captain for the West Indies, while England had three captains: Mike Smith (first Test), Cowdrey (second–fourth Test) and Brian Close (fifth Test) during the five Test series. The West Indies team was not as strong as in the previous series, but many of their deficiencies were glossed over by Sobers' exceptional all-round performance. He scored centuries in three Test matches and claimed five wicket innings hauls in two Tests.

The first Test went to the West Indies with England succumbing in both innings to Gibbs who claimed 10 wickets in the Test. Butcher's 209 ensured the West Indies won the third to lead the series 2–0. The fourth Test saw Sobers' best performance, where he scored 174 runs and followed this up by taking 5/41 to give his team a 3–0 lead into the final Test. England gained a consolation victory, largely due to Tom Graveney’s 165 and a 128-run tenth wicket partnership.

The main difference between the two teams was the outstanding all-round performance of Sobers, who scored 722 runs at an average of 103.14, as well as taking 20 wickets and taking 10 catches.

1967–69 Early series
This was the first of the Wisden Trophy series to take place in the West Indies. The series showed a more sinister side of the West Indies, with a riot occurring in the drawn second Test and the English team being attacked at the conclusion of the final Test. Despite these problems England were largely the better team, with Cowdrey's leadership, Geoffrey Boycott’s batting and a weakened West Indian attack being the difference between the sides.

After a drawn first Test the second match was a game of two halves. England developed a 233 run lead at the half way stage and had the West Indies on 204/5 when Butcher was caught. This dismissal caused a riot and from this point onwards England struggled with the spin bowling of Sobers and Gibbs, narrowly avoiding defeat by two wickets. The third Test saw another drawn match due to the slow batting of the West Indies, taking over two days to score 349 runs which included a spell of four runs in one hour. England took a 1–0 lead after the fourth Test, in a game that they seemed least like winning. The win was mainly due to Sobers' decision to declare on 92/2 in the West Indies second innings. Good batting by Alan Knott and a 127 sixth wicket partnership ensured the final game ended in a draw as England maintained their 1–0 lead to win the series.

The 1969 tour was a three Test series. The captains were Ray Illingworth for England and Sobers for the West Indies. The West Indies had an ageing team and, with Sobers suffering a loss of form, were always the weaker side. England won the first Test with John Snow and David Brown claiming 13 wickets between them. A draw followed in Lord's, but England won the final match in a dramatic fashion. The West Indies in a seemingly strong position of 219/3 required 84 runs for victory. They suffered a late innings collapse however as Butcher, Sobers and Lloyd fell within 16 minutes, which ultimately led to England winning by 30 runs to win the series 2–0. It seemed that England would begin to dominate the West Indies, with many of the key West Indian players such as Butcher, Wes Hall and Charlie Griffith retiring in 1969. Illingworth would be the last England captain to win the Wisden Trophy for 31 years.

1973–74 West Indies revival
This three Test series saw the West Indies re-establish themselves as the superior team. They won the first Test at The Oval by 158 runs, with Clive Lloyd's 132 with the bat and Keith Boyce's bowling (147/11 in the match) being the main contributions to the win. The drawn match at Edgbaston was at risk of being abandoned when umpire Arthur Fagg threatened to withdraw after Kanhai disputed one of his decisions. The final Test match at Lord's was dominated by the West Indies, with the team posting a huge total of 652/8 before declaring, Kanhai, Sobers and Bernard Julien all getting centuries. England never looked liked matching this total, and were dismissed for 233 in the first innings and 193 in the second, losing by an innings and 226 runs. This was England's second biggest defeat in Test cricket. The series finished 2–0 to the West Indies, who regained the Wisden Trophy.

The 1974 series in the West Indies was of five Tests. The West Indian team were regarded as the better side, and for them to only draw the series was a surprise. After they won the first Test it had seemed that the series would become a one-sided contest. This Test was notable for a controversial Alvin Kallicharran run out that triggered protests. England managed to secure draws in the next three Tests, thanks to Dennis Amiss' 262 in the second Test and Keith Fletcher's 129 in the third, while rain prevented a result in the fourth Test. The last match at Queen's Park Oval was a close game, with England winning by 26 runs, primarily due to Tony Greig taking 13 wickets bowling off-spin and Boycott scoring 212 runs in the match. England thereby levelled the series, which finished 1–1.

1976 Viv Richards' series

England entered the series with great confidence, with English captain Greig saying that he had the players to make the West Indians "grovel". This threat proved to be an empty one, as it soon became apparent that England had no answer to Viv Richards' batting and Michael Holding's bowling.

The first two Tests ended in draws, but from the third Test onwards the West Indies took full control, with Richards scoring 524 runs in the last three Tests. He was supported by Holding, who took 25 wickets over these three Tests, including 5/17 in the third Test and 14/149 in the final Test. The West Indies won the series 3–0.

The series is mainly remembered for Richards' batting. He scored 829 runs at an average of 118.42 over four Test matches. In either the fourth or fifth Test in this series TMS commentator Brian Johnston allegedly said:

The bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey

when describing the West Indian bowler Holding bowling to English batsmen Peter Willey. There are no records, according to Wisden, of Johnston or any other commentator saying this. Other sources have stated that Johnston had indeed said this and had prepared the line before saying it.

1980–81 A new era
The late 70s and 80s was a golden era for the West Indies cricket team, with the team dominating all forms of cricket. The West Indies came into the 1980 series after recently winning the 1979 Cricket World Cup. They were generally regarded as the best team at Test level, and would lose only eight Test matches during the 1980s.

Ian Botham captained the England team while Lloyd skippered the West Indies in this five Test series. In a series that was hampered by rain, the only match to produce a positive result was the first Test at Trent Bridge. It was a close contest, with a dramatic ending which saw six dropped catches and the West Indies requiring 208 runs in the final 8 hours of play. The West Indies achieved this target with 2 wickets in hand, largely due to Desmond Haynes' 64.

England went to the West Indies for the 1981 five Test series. This became four Tests after the second Test abandonment caused by Robin Jackman's visa being revoked by the Guyanese Government due to his involvement with South Africa's apartheid regime.

The series was dominated by the West Indies bowlers Holding and Colin Croft, who claimed 41 wickets between them in the series. England suffered an innings defeat in the first Test, and lost the third by 298 runs as they failed to register an innings of over 250 in the first three Tests. Strong batting performances and rain enabled England to draw the final two Tests, and so the series ended 2–0 to the West Indies.

1984–86 "Blackwash" series
The "blackwash" series occurred in 1984 and 1985–86. The West Indies beat England 5–0 in both series in a whitewash that was dubbed "blackwash". The first blackwash occurred in England and the second in the West Indies. Instrumental in these wins were Richards' batting and the bowling partnership of Malcolm Marshall and Joel Garner, which claimed 105 of the 199 England wickets to fall in the two series. Many players from the West Indies had taken part in the so-called Supertests a few years earlier and as a result they were arguably fitter and better prepared due to having faced stronger opposition. The captains for these series were Lloyd and Richards for the West Indies, and David Gower, who had the ignominy of leading England to ten consecutive defeats against the men from the Caribbean.

The 1984 series began with Andy Lloyd being hit on the head, resulting in his being hospitalised. This would prove to be a common theme throughout the series, as the English batsmen struggled to cope with the West Indies bouncers. Whenever England threatened, a West Indian player would step up and take control of the match, as when Gordon Greenidge scored 214 after an England declaration to win the second Test. The series was decided at Leeds, where the West Indies gained an unassailable 3–0 lead. The final Test at The Oval saw the West Indies record the only whitewash by a visiting nation in a five Test series. This was the fifth whitewash in Test cricket and the first to be inflicted on England in England.

The 1985–86 series in the West Indies ended in another whitewash with the West Indies winning each Test comfortably, the closest match being a seven wicket victory. Like the previous series the English batsmen provided little resistance against the West Indian bowlers with only Gower averaging above 30. Poor performances from Botham and Mike Gatting's injury ensured an easy series win for the West Indies. England's attitude also played a part in their defeat with big players such as Gower and Botham showing a certain reluctance to net training. The then chairman of selectors Peter May questioned the team's attitude and called for greater resolve, a view that seemed to be shared by the general public at the time.

The West Indies won the first two Tests in a similar manner with England struggling with the bowling of Patrick Patterson and Marshall. By the third Test, England's morale had dipped and they suffered an innings defeat which was largely due to their third day's performance losing 15 wickets for 201. A ten wicket defeat followed in the fourth while Richards produced the fastest century in Test cricket in the final Test. He reached his hundred in only 56 balls to confirm the West Indies superiority. As a result, the West Indies had won ten consecutive Tests against England, and were the second team after Australia to achieve multiple home whitewashes in five Test series.

1988 Summer of four captains
This tour saw the beginning of a bowling partnership between Courtney Walsh and Curtly Ambrose that would trouble batsmen across the world for the next 12 years. England, on the other hand, had entered the series with low expectations and confidence. This was reflected in their team selections, with 23 players being used during the series.

England had four captains in Gatting, John Emburey, Chris Cowdrey and Graham Gooch, but each Test ended in West Indian dominance. They won each match except the first Test, which was drawn because of rain, and the series finished 4–0. The West Indies pace attack was the main difference between teams with Marshall being the most dangerous bowler, taking 35 wickets at an average of 12.65. This included a 7/22 in the third Test which he bowled with a broken left hand. Marshall was supported by Ambrose's bowling which yielded 22 wickets. After this series both teams would go into decline. Many of the great West Indian players such as Richards and Marshall would soon retire, and their dominance of the Test stage was nearing its end.

1989–91 England close the gap
Throughout the late 70s and 80s, many of the series between the West Indies and England had been dominated by the West Indies who had won fourteen of the fifteen Tests, often by large margins. The next two series in 1989–90 season and 1991 would prove to be closer contests.

A 1989–90 series of two halves saw England close to taking a shock 2–0 lead in the series, only to be denied by a wet afternoon at Queens Park Oval and an unusually egregious instance of time-wasting in which officials and ground staff appeared to be complicit, as remarked upon by Brian Lara in a 2017 address. Injuries to their key bowler, Angus Fraser, and batsman, Gooch, changed the course of the series dramatically however, as the West Indies fought back to win the next two Tests, thanks to the pace attack of Ambrose and Ian Bishop. They eventually won the series 2–1. An infamous incident occurred in the fourth Test of the series, when Rob Bailey was given out by umpire Lloyd Barker, who had allegedly been intimidated by Richards' appeal.

Notable debutants in this series were Alec Stewart and Nasser Hussain, who both made their debuts in the first Test. Alec Stewart was not England's wicket-keeper in this Test series, as Jack Russell kept wicket.

A decline in the West Indies batting line-up coupled by the loss of Greenidge ensured this series would be a closer contest. The tour was Richards' last, as he retired at the end of the fifth Test. Graeme Hick and Mark Ramprakash made their debuts in the first Test at Headingley.

England won the first Test largely thanks to Gooch's 154 in the second innings. This innings was rated by Wisden as the third greatest Test innings ever. After the second Test had been drawn, the West Indies won the next two matches due to Ambrose's eight wickets in the third and Richie Richardson's century in fourth match. Phil Tufnell and Robin Smith played key roles in the final Test, as England won by five wickets after forcing the West Indies to follow-on for the first time in six years, to level the series 2–2. In this Test commentator Jonathan Agnew famously reduced both himself and fellow commentator Brian Johnston to uncontrollable laughter when he described Botham's hit wicket dismissal by saying:

He couldn't quite get his leg over.

1994 Lara enters the world stage
The series was characterised by the opening pair of Stewart and new England captain Michael Atherton, which provided the greatest resistance against the West Indian attack of Ambrose and Walsh. The pair scored 987 runs in the series while Ambrose ended the series with 26 wickets at an average of 19.96 and was awarded man of the series.

After England lost the first three Tests (which included a 46 all out in the second innings of the third Test) there was talk of another blackwash series. England secured a victory in the fourth Test however, with Stewart's two centuries and Fraser's eight wickets being the main contributors to the win. This was the first time in 59 years that a visiting nation had won at the Kensington Oval. The main highlight of the series was to come in the final Test at Antigua, where Brian Lara broke Sobers' Test world record score of 365 not out, set 36 years earlier, by scoring 375. Lara was congratulated by Sobers, who was present on the ground to see his record broken.

In the end Lara scored an exceptional 798 runs at an average of 99.75. Two months later Lara would go on to break the first-class batting record of 499 runs by scoring 501 not out against Durham at Edgbaston. Shivnarine Chanderpaul made his Test debut in the second Test of the series, when he made his maiden half-century. Chanderpaul was Lara's last batting partner when he made his record-breaking 375, scoring 75 not out himself and combining in a 219 fifth wicket partnership.

1995–98 Six Test series
Both teams were evenly matched, with the West Indies not the force they had been, and England on the rise. The key players for the West Indies were Lara, Walsh and Bishop while England had a strong opening pair of Atherton and Graham Thorpe plus the young Dominic Cork who would be decisive in England's two Test victories in this series.

The West Indies' inconsistent performances saw them dominate one Test, only to play poorly and lose the next. Bishop's and Walsh's combined 26 wickets in the first and third Tests ensured the West Indies won these matches by commanding margins. Cork contributed greatly to England's second and fourth Test victories, taking 7/43 in the second Test and a hat-trick in the fourth in claiming the wickets of Richardson (bowled), Junior Murray (LBW) and Carl Hooper (LBW). The remaining two Tests were dominated by the batsmen, with five centuries being scored. The series finished 2–2, with the West Indies retaining the trophy.

The men of the series were Atherton for England and Lara for the West Indies. The latter made 765 runs at an average of 85. Cork made his debut in the second Test, where he achieved the best bowling figures for an English debutant. Nick Knight's debut came in the fourth Test of series.

An ageing West Indian team relied increasingly on Ambrose and Walsh to provide wickets, while Lara was seen as the primary source of runs. Angus Fraser played an important role for England, and when his form dipped in the later Tests the side's performance suffered. The series started in a controversial fashion, with the first Test at Sabina Park being abandoned after the pitch was deemed to be too dangerous due to its highly irregular bounce. As a result of this abandoned match, an additional match was arranged with the series thereby being extended to six Tests. Two close matches followed, after which the teams were level at 1–1. England faded in the second half of the series. The West Indies scored two decisive victories, winning the fourth by 242 runs and the last by an even wider margin of an innings and 52 runs, to take the series 3–1.

2000
Jimmy Adams was selected as the West Indies captain, while Hussain captained the England side. This five Test series was to be Ambrose's last. It was dominated by the ball, with a bowler claiming a five wicket haul on seven occasions, while there were only three centuries. The West Indies started well, winning the first Test comfortably by an innings and 93 runs, and led by 133 runs after the first innings of the second Test. The turning point came in the second innings of this match, as the West Indies were bowled out for 54 (this was their third lowest innings at the time). England won this Test, and they seized the initiative in the series by winning the fourth and fifth Tests thanks to Andrew Caddick’s four wicket over and Atherton's century, to regain the Wisden Trophy 3–1 after a period of 31 years.

Notable debutants were Matthew Hoggard and Marcus Trescothick, in the second and third Tests respectively. Trescothick had the highest batting average for any player in the series, with 47.50.

2003–04 Lara's 400
England came to the West Indies for their first defence of the Wisden Trophy. The recently appointed captain for England was Michael Vaughan, Hussain having stepped down a few months previously. Lara led the West Indies challenge.

The series was dominated by England's bowling attack of Stephen Harmison and Hoggard. Harmison's bowling figures of 7/12 (which were the best achieved in Sabina Park Tests) were the main cause of the West Indian second innings collapse to 47 all out in the first Test. This was the lowest innings for West Indies at Test level. This pattern was repeated in the third Test, where the West Indies produced a good first innings only to bat poorly in the second. This was partly due to Hoggard's hat-trick of Ramnaresh Sarwan (caught), Chanderpaul (LBW) and Ryan Hinds (caught). The West Indies were facing a whitewash going into the final Test at Antigua, and were accused by Sobers of underestimating the English bowlers. The fourth Test saw Lara come to the crease with the score at 33/1. He stayed for 778 minutes and faced 582 balls in the process of making his world record Test innings of 400 not out, before declaring at 751/5. It was not enough for victory and the game ended in a draw. As a result of this drawn match Lara was criticised by Ricky Ponting who stated that the whole West Indies first innings revolved around Lara's score who let the Test match slip for his own personal gain. The series finished 3–0 to England.

2004–07 English dominance at home

England dominated the 2004 series and claimed the first English whitewash in the Wisden Trophy's history. England won each Test comfortably, as the West Indian bowlers struggled to get wickets. Only Chris Gayle and Dwayne Bravo had bowling averages lower than 30. This whitewash meant that England had won seven consecutive Tests for the first time in 75 years. The series was the beginning of a run that would see England win the Ashes the following year. Andrew Flintoff was the leading performer for England, averaging 64.50 with the bat and claiming 14 wickets. Ashley Giles was the leading wicket taker in the series with 22. This series saw Ian Bell make his Test debut in the final Test of the series, where he compiled his maiden half-century. The main highlights for the West Indies were Chanderpaul's batting performance in scoring 437 runs at an average of 72.83, the highest in the series, and Bravo's 16 wickets.

With the recent retirement of Lara, Sarwan became the captain of the West Indies. Sarwan injured himself while fielding in the second Test, and the captaincy was given to Daren Ganga. Andrew Strauss was England skipper for the first Test, after which Vaughan returned from injury to lead for the remaining Tests.

England were largely the better team and, if not for the resilient batting of Chanderpaul, they would have won by an even larger margin. The West Indies suffered greatly from his absence in the second Test, losing the match by an innings and 283 runs, their biggest defeat in Test history. England retained the Wisden trophy at Old Trafford by taking an unbeatable 2–0 lead, They ultimately won the series 3–0.

Chanderpaul, who was named the West Indian player of the series, scored 446 runs at an average of 148.66. Bravo also impressed with his all-round performance in claiming 6 wickets, scoring 291 runs and taking 7 catches. England saw the emergence of Matt Prior, who became the first English wicket-keeper to score a Test century on debut. Monty Panesar claimed the most wickets (23) and received the award of the Englishman of the series, while Ryan Sidebottom took 16 wickets.

2009 back-to-back series
Despite England going into the series as the favourites, West Indies won the series 1–0 after winning the first match at Sabina Park. The remaining matches all ended in draws. The series was originally intended as a four Test series; however the abandonment of the Second Test due to the conditions of the field at the SVR Stadium in Antigua led to the rapid inclusion of an additional game staged at the Antigua Recreation Ground, resulting in a five, rather than four match Test series. In a two-match series that replaced the originally scheduled tour by Zimbabwe, and the previously announced tour by Sri Lanka, England regained the Wisden Trophy with a 2–0 win.

2012
England retained the trophy in 2012 with a 2–0 series win. Although the third and final test at Edgbaston was almost a complete washout with three whole days lost to rain, Tino Best scored a world record 95 as a number 11, in a 10th-wicket partnership of 143 with Dinesh Ramdin, itself a West Indies record. Best's record stood for less than 12 months, however, as it was eclipsed by Ashton Agar, also against England, in the 2013 Ashes series.

2015
Despite going into the 2015 series as heavy favourites, turmoil off the field including the sacking of Kevin Pietersen and a disastrous 2015 Cricket World Cup resulted in England playing poorly in the West Indies, being unable to bowl the West Indies out in the first test, with Jason Holder holding firm against the England bowlers. England performed much better in the second test match on the back of 182 not out from Joe Root that meant that they retained the Wisden Trophy as they won their first test match away from home since December 2012. The third test, however, featured a batting collapse from England that set the West Indies just 194 to level the series, and they duly did so, meaning that England had not won a test series away from home since 2012.

2017
The first test in 2017 was played as day/night test match, the first (and so far only) test match to be played with a pink ball in England. 243 from Alastair Cook set England up for a huge innings win, with the West Indies losing 19 wickets in a single day as England won by an innings and 209 runs. The second test match, however, featured a major fightback from the West Indies, with Shai Hope scoring a century in both innings at Headingley - the first time such a feat had been achieved in all first class cricket on that ground - allowing the West Indies to memorably chase down 322 runs on the final day, their first test victory in England since 2000. England made their own fightback in a low-scoring decider at Lord's, with James Anderson (cricketer) taking his 500th test wicket in the second innings when he bowled Kraigg Brathwaite on his way to best test figures of 7-42, which allowed England to win the game after scoring 107 to win.

2019 West Indies finally regains the trophy
England were hot favourites after whitewashing Sri Lanka away from home 3–0 but hopes of a repeat performance of the Sri Lanka tour quickly faded away when they were dismissed for just 77 in the first innings in Barbados, giving the West Indies a first innings lead of 212. Opting not to follow on, captain Jason Holder then drove England into the ground with 202 not out, setting England a whopping 628 to win. England started strongly with Rory Burns making 84, before Roston Chase ran through the English middle order as the West Indies won by a huge margin of 381 runs, their biggest ever victory at home. England's woes continued in the second test at Antigua as they were dismissed under 200 twice in a match for the first time since January 2014, thus setting the West Indies just 14 to regain the Wisden Trophy, which they duly did despite a consolation victory for England in the final test.

2020 – Final Wisden Trophy Series
Played during the COVID-19 Pandemic, it was announced that this would be the final series playing for the Wisden Trophy.

Cricket all around the globe had come to a halt as a result of the pandemic and consequently imposed lockdowns in different countries. This series, played under special regulations owing to the pandemic, marked the resumption of International cricket. Under the special regulations, two Bio-Secure venues were created at Old Trafford, Manchester and Rose Bowl, Southampton. The venues had on-site hotels and players were not allowed to travel outside. Also, the use of saliva to shine the ball had been banned. The players were tested repetitively throughout the series and were advised to not exchange high-fives and hugs during the play.

The West Indies team were required to spend two weeks in isolation before beginning with their practice due to the guidelines from UK government. Darren Bravo, Keemo Paul and Shimron Hetmeyer pulled out of the tour.

England won the series 2–1, to regain the trophy, after falling one test behind and then winning the remaining two tests comfortably. Seam bowler Stuart Broad was the hero, after being left out for the first test, contributing 6 wickets in the second test and 10 wickets plus 62 runs in the final test.

Summary of results
A team had to win a series to regain the Wisden Trophy, a drawn series resulting in the current holders retaining the trophy. A total of 28 Wisden Trophy series were played, with West Indies winning 14 and England 10. The remaining 4 series were drawn, with West Indies retaining the Wisden Trophy on three occasions (1973–74, 1991 and 1995) and England on one occasion (2015). In the series' 57-year history the Wisden Trophy changed hands on seven occasions (1968, 1973, 2000, twice in 2009, 2019 and 2020), with England regaining the trophy in 1968, 2000, May 2009 and 2020, while the West Indies regained it in 1973, March 2009 and 2019.

120 Test matches were played, with West Indies winning 48 times, England 36 times, and 36 matches being drawn. Brian Lara is the top scorer in the Wisden Trophy series with 2983 runs, while Curtly Ambrose is the leading wicket taker with 164 wickets.

Match venues
The series usually alternated between England and West Indies, and matches were held at the following grounds.

 * Including abandoned tests

†Historic Counties of England who play at the grounds

‡Former Grounds which don't host Test Matches

Malcolm Marshall Memorial Trophy
Named after the West Indian bowler Malcolm Marshall, this trophy was awarded to the leading wicket taker of the series from 2000 to 2020. The player who was awarded it also received £1,360, but if he surpassed Marshall's record of 35 wickets set in 1988 he would earn £34,000. The table below lists all the players who won this trophy.

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Talk:Acoustic Kitty

Is this real?
Is this real? A Guardian article doesn't seem to be a good reference. "Removing the cat's sense of hunger"? Is that even possible? 209.66.50.130 17:08, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

There is mention of this project by a former CIA employee, Victor_Marchetti in the BBC documentary The Living Dead: Part 2 - You Have Used Me As A fish Long Enough by Adam_Curtis. The fragment you want to look at starts at 27 minutes and 56 seconds. http://thoughtmaybe.com/video/the-living-dead Simonhold (talk) 22:45, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Not really sure that's enough not to warrant the use of an "allegedly" or a "reportedly." It does sound like the kind of story someone could dine out on for years, and prone to possible embellishment. Are there any documents to back the story up? 82.112.151.178 (talk) 22:53, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

The most fucked up thing I've read in my entire life besides MKUltra76.6.95.0 (talk) 21:09, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Pounds
Why is the cost of surgical and training expenses given in British pounds? Could somebody find the equivalent, at the time, in USD? That would seem more appropriate for a CIA project. --TheMadBaron 09:31, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

 * It was taken from the British newsppr source (Telegraph). I admit that made me a little suspiscious at the time too... 68.39.174.238 21:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

One source isn't enough. I think the article should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.13.36.9 (talk) 10:30, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

As mentioned in the above part where it is asked whether this is real and possible, there is mention of this C.I.A. project in a BBC documentary. Look above a link to the video and the timing of the fragment. Marchetti talks about how the taxi ran over the cat: "So that was 25 million dollars down the drain." Simonhold (talk) 22:48, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Restored deleted unreferenced section to talk page
Not sure what to make of this:

 * A pager message concerning this project was sent on September 11, 2001:

 * 2001-09-11 09:29:44 Metrocall [0300391] B ALPHA declassified CIA documents show the agency's spy cat project was coded named `Acoustic Kitty.' While the agency was able to train the spy cats and equip them with electronic bugs, the project didn't prove practical. 0D1C2ICE CREAM BIKE: Daryl Carmer

Ikip (talk) 18:56, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

 * I think it was removed because it merely duplicates what is already said in the article body. Ryan 4314  (talk) 22:08, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Please remove this idiotic page. It is not substantiated by its reference to a newspaper article, and it undermines the credibility of Wikipedia. --Melba1 (talk) 15:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I disagree, because the mention of it as part of a wider attempt to control animals and humans in the Cold War era is clearly stated in the BBC documentary I have provided a link for above, by actual C.I.A. agents. Simonhold (talk) 22:53, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Faulty Geography
The Soviet Embassy compound on Wisconsin Avenue was built in the late 1970s. This episode occurred in the 1960s, during which time the Soviets worked exclusively out of their embassy on 16th Street. Zozoulia (talk) 14:14, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

New reference
There is an article published by National Geographic in February 2024 that could be a useful upgrade to this article. Nolabob (talk) 02:54, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

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La Sen Thai

La Sen Thai or La Sen Thai Puvanart was the king of Lan Xang from 1486 until 1496. He succeeded his older brother King Souvanna Banlang.

Laasaenthai was the sixth son of King Sai Tia Kaphut, Governor of Nongkai before his accession. Succeeded on the death of his childless elder brother, 1486. Crowned in 1491. He enjoyed peaceful relations with his neighbours in Vietnam led by Lê Thánh Tông and cultivated good relations with the Ayutthaya Kingdom, spending much of his time contemplating religious and legal matters, furthering the spread of Buddhism and building monuments. He was succeeded by his only son, Somphou.

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David Phinney

David Phinney is a journalist and producer based in Washington, D.C., whose work has appeared on United States Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) and American Broadcasting Company (ABC) as well as in the Los Angeles Times, Politico, The New York Times, Miami Herald, the Hearst-owned San Francisco Examiner, and Wired.

His stories on unfair labor practices and poor treatment of foreign workers contracted to do construction work in Iraq have been the subject of congressional inquiries, ongoing US Justice Department criminal probes and investigations by US Inspectors General. In 2007 his story appeared on the Project Censored list.

In addition to documentary work and on-air reporting, Phinney has been a guest and analyst for the BBC, cable news programs and radio. His work includes political coverage, national affairs, war, terrorism and security. He has consulted with reporters and producers on stories for ABC, NBC, CBS, BBC, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post. His articles have been translated into a dozen different languages for distribution.

Phinney graduated from the University of California at Berkeley with a dual major in English and Political Science. He began his journalism career as a music and film critic and by writing humorous sketches about local personalities and events in the San Francisco Bay Area.

A one-time publishing executive and editor, he co-founded Bay City Publications in the San Francisco Bay Area, publisher of Bay City Business Journal and the Emeryville Guardian and other ventures. The two publications won awards for investigative work that exposed political corruption and real estate scandals in California. The effort triggered a five-year federal grand jury investigation and was reiterated by other California news organizations.

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Tribe of Judah (band)

Tribe of Judah is Gary Cherone's post-Van Halen band featuring multiple former members of Extreme (bassist Pat Badger and drummer Mike Mangini). An eponymous EP was released in 2001 and a full-length album was released in late 2002. Tribe of Judah is different from Cherone's other work as it features a more industrial/electronic sound. At least one song, "Left for Dead", was (supposedly) slated to be a track on a follow-up Van Halen album which would have featured Cherone.

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 * Exit Elvis (2002)

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 * Gary Cherone – vocals
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Talk:International System of Units/Archive 2

"Basis"
In the section "Basis", I read..

"The prefixes are never chained, so a millionth of a kilogram is a milligram, and not a 'microkilogram'."

Reading that once, I went... wait.. what? milli- is a thousandth... why is the article talking about millionths of a kilogram being a milligram.. ? I immediately think to myself.. have I been wrong all along.. Is milli- a millionth? Couldnt be! I actually had to go reassure myself by looking at SI prefixes to figure out what that sentence was trying to say.. It's somewhat confusing to a casual obvserver who's half drunk.. milli- in conjunction with "millionth" is too odd. perhaps change it to something like... a meter is not a decimillimeter???..

--Kvuo 22:44, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * One point is that prefixes are not added to the word "kilogram" even though it is a "base unit", a term with a different meaning.  Changing it to meters would miss the point entirely (a similar point could be made concerning the centimeter as a base unit in cgs systems, but there's no reason to make that point here).  The broader point about not using double prefixes at all could be made by saying that it is no longer proper to call a picofarad a micromicrofarad, and there are other example where the no longer acceptable double prefixes were used in the past. Gene Nygaard 11:39, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The Kogram
I propose the use Kogram as the name for the unit of mass. Kogram is a family name and the name of a village in India. This does away with the prefix kilo in the name. As ``Kogram'' is a family name, there is no risk of clashing into another meaning of the same term. Units derived from names by SI rule start with a capital. Thus we use Kg. Now we can, hurray!, use mKg, uKg, MKg, like mWb, uWb, MWb (Weber, unit of magnetic flux) or mPa, uPa and MPa (Pascal, unit of pressure)  (here, u=micro). The only thing missing is to find some dead guy, who worked in physics and happens to have the family name ``Kogram'', so we can name the Kogram in honor of him! --RitaBijlsma

The basic unit of mass isn't the kilogram, it's the gram. But that's not the point: this is an encyclopedia, not a standards committee. It's not in our purview to name, or rename, units of measurement, cities, novels, or anything else: our task as Wikipedians is to describe and explain what's out there. --Vicki Rosenzweig

 * It isn't the gram, it's the kilogram, but it should be the gram :-) Somebody majorly screwed up somewhere. But I agree, we shouldn't try to invent new names. Also, we should probably mention that the kilogram is still to this day defined by a cube of metal in Paris. --AxelBoldt
 * No, it is the kilogram for a good reason, see below. I wrote it while you wrote this ;-0
 * Yes, the cube is important. It is made of platinum-iridium and kept at the BIPM (Bureau international des poids et mesures)--RitaBijlsma
 * Oeps, the reason may not be clear: if you already have the kg in the derived units, you can not just take the gram as the unit to get prefixes consistent, because then the rest is inconsistent and you can not change all derived units to solve that.
 * The gram is too small to be practically usable. That is why the kilogram is used. I agree in a way with Rita, though, because for all purposes, we use the kilogram, but linguistically, we use the gram. Even so, putting these ideas into an encyclopedia article sounds like overkill, if you ask me. Sabejias

- Ok, I added SI, in the international system of units, the kilogram is the unit of mass, not the gram. See NIST special publication 330, or anywhere else. Because the kilogram is the unit of mass, derived SI units are defined in terms of the kilogram, for example the N = m * kg / s^2  Any derived SI unit is defined in terms of the basic units. So the gram is never used in derived units. This consistent choice allows for great convenience in calculations, especially in automated calculations. The decision that prefixes should be added to the gram instead of the kilogram reduces convenience considerably. And that should not be taken lightly. International definitions that lead to errorprone usage cause small losses of time and money all over the world and that adds up to considerable losses. Its not in my intention to blame the SI commitee. I think that they do a wonderful job that is benificial to all of the world. I just propose some solution for a historical problem.

About stating what is out there: That problem is out there and that frustration is out there, not only in me. Ridiculing my proposal by an unfounded association with renaming novels is no way of engaging in a discussion.

It is not correct to say that I try to do the work of a standard commitee here. A standard committee can not make proposals. They make rules. They can not politically afford to make proposals. No one screwed up with respect to the kilogram. For a system that is globally used to prevent miscommunications, every addition or improvement has to be backward compatible. The SI committee never had the freedom of just making a consistent system and then proudly give it to a waiting world. A large part of their achievements has been political: find out which rules have a large chance of being generally accepted. They have reacted and will react on current general usage. General usage means that many people do the same thing. But if someone wants to start using a new term for the kilogram, just for his own notes, not in published articles, but with the future in mind, then he needs knowlegde on what would generally be a good idea to use: what term would not be ambiguous? what abbreviation (G?, Kg?) can accompany it and is not already in use for some other unit, or ambiguous in another way? These are questions about what is already out there, it is encyclopedic information. I did some research, checked the ambiguity of other terms. They all were impossible. Then I, wauw, found this niche, the term Kogram. That is what I propose to tell in the article: given all that there is out there, there is a niche. Offer that encyclopidic information to anyone who asked himself, like me, if there is a niche left, a term that is save to use. I hope to find others, willing to check if I'm right, if Kogram would be safe and to find if there is guy we can name it after to make the whole idea complete. --RitaBijlsma

 * Please don't do that, Rita: this is an encylopedia, not a vehicle for personal original research, however well-intentioned. Please let us know when you have a substantial number of people using the Kogram, and we can then add it to the article. Until then, it does not belong here. The Anome 10:32 Feb 7, 2003 (UTC)

 * How about renaming the kilogram the "grave"? Jimp 5Oct05

"l" vs. "L" for litre
""l" is commonly used, but is deprecated for being too similar to "1"."

I was always led to believe that the lower-case "l" was the official way to write it, and that "L" was the US standard. Is this not true any more? I also added the comment about using "ℓ" - I find it quite regularly in Japanese text (it's in all Japanese fonts I know of too), and I occasionally find it here in Ireland too, for example most 2-litre milk bottles have a big "2ℓ" on the plastic. --Zilog Jones 23:36, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Both l and L have been officially accepted for several years; the script el is not acceptable in modern rules.  Yes, there are some remnants of its use, likely considerably less than we saw 30 or 40 years ago. We also see far too much use of the kilogram-force (including the metric horsepower (PS or CV) defined as 75 kgf·m/s) as well, even though the keepers of our standards have been telling us for 45 years to stop using them as well.  The symbols for liters are discussed in more detail under litre and probably its talk page too. That's a good place to continue any discussion of this. Gene Nygaard 01:48, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Perhaps, but this article is the one that contains the misstatement.  "L" is not the "official" symbol for litre.  "l" is the official symbol, and "L" is an officially accepted alternate.  It's true that NIST recommends the use of the "L" alternate in preference to the standard "l", and for what it's worth, I agree with them, but neither their opinion nor mine changes the facts in The Brochure published by the BIPM. Nowhere have I seen any support for the allegation that "l" is actively deprecated by any reputable authority.  How can the use of the official standard be deprecated? Anyone want to talk me out of fixing this? --Jeepien 06:03:20, 2005-08-05 (UTC)

 * Thus both are official. And of course use of an "official standard" can be deprecated; in fact, the CIPM and CGPM have wanted to trim it back to only one symbol for the liter, and in order for that to happen, there would have to be some groups out there pushing for one to be used in preference to the other.  But in fact, the "official standard" is that the liter is unnecessary; it is not part of the International System of Units, merely something that is only tolerated as acceptable for use with the modern metric system (and even that wasn't true when the SI was adopted in 1960, before it was restored to the old definition of exactly one decimeter).  What kind of "fixing" do you have in mind?  Gene Nygaard 08:37, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I had in mind fixing the false statement:

 * The one exception is the litre, whose offical abbreviation is "L". "l" is commonly used, but is deprecated for being too similar to "1" which has two official symbols, "l" and "L" .

 * The present text is wrong because it implies that there is only one standard symbol, and because it implies that "l" is not a standard usage, but a "common" usage. There is already a link to litre for more info, and that's probably where the details should go, especially since this is the SI article, and the litre is merely tolerated by the SI.  Personally, I agree that "L" should be the standard, but my POV doesn't belong in the article. --Jeepien

 * Done. – Smyth\talk 10:09, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Ireland
There's an edit fight over Ireland. Are they fully compliant, or partially compliant? --Jeepien 05:15:38, 2005-08-06 (UTC)

SI and ISO
Is there a relationship between SI and ISO? There are only two links to ISO at the bottom. Surely, there is more to say about the relationship between the two. DirkvdM 08:18, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Like what? --Jeepien

Well, they're both concerned with standardisation of units of measurement. I don't know much else, except that ISO is often stricter than others and that it covers a much wider field. But surely there will be an overlap that deserves mentioning. Anyway, don't ask me, I'm asking you :) . DirkvdM 19:38, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

 * The first thing to remember is ISO is an organisation whereas the SI is a standard. I'm not an expect but from this article and general knowledge I believe the BIPM defines and makes recommendations about the SI. The ISO takes and publishes these definitions and recommendations in an international standard which you can purchase. 60.234.141.76 10:47, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

That makes it sound like ISO is just a publisher. But I've heard on various occasions that ISO is more strict than the other organisations whose standards it publishes (like with the HTML-standard, but also with SI standards), indicating that they do more than just publish them. DirkvdM 17:57, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Comma versus dot

 * SI used only a comma as the separator for decimal fractions until 1997. The number "twenty four and fifty one hundredths" would be written as "24,51". In 1997 the CIPM decided that the British full stop (the "dot on the line", or period) would be the decimal separator in text whose main language is English ("24.51"); the comma remains the decimal separator in all other languages.

Is the "all other languages" part actually true? In practice, many other languages follow the English usage of a dot for the decimal separator (Japanese is one that comes to mind). Are they doing so in a manner officially contrary to the Metric Police, or are there additional exceptions for other languages? --Delirium 06:30, Jun 10, 2004 (UTC)

I am sure that at least in Brazil (I have seen many europeans I know using this, but can't actually tell if it is the rule in their countries of origin), the rule is dot for 3-digit separation and comma for decimal. For example the american 345,213.50 is written 345.213,50. --Poli 18:13, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * If moved this to the front since it'll probably get lost otherwise. I've changed the article since the original statement which was "In practice, the full stop is used in English, and the comma in all other languages." is most definitely incorrect.
 * I know as a fact the full stop is used in Malay, and I'm pretty sure it's used in Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and most/all Indian languages as well (Tamil, Hindi etc). Possibly Arabic too. I'm suspect it's not in all other European languages either since Gaelic is a European language but I suspect they use the full stop as well. Personally, I suspect this statement is misleading since I suspect it's more to do with your country and culture then your language. For example, many non-UK & Ireland Europeans (French, Germans etc) would use the comma even when writing in English, especially if they are writing to some other non-UK European.
 * The full stop is probably used by cultures and in countries influenced mostly by the British or American tradiation whereas the the comma is probably used by those influence mostly by other most other Europeans. Does anyone know what French Canadians use? According to XP x64 it's the comma but this could be wrong. According to XP x64, the full stop is used by French-Swiss in any case. As an example when XP x64 is definitely wrong, it claims the comma is used for Malay (Malaysia) which as I've said, is not the case, unless you're going to tell me the 14 or so years I spent in schools in using the full stop and reading it in text books, papers, exams etc is somehow wrong. 60.234.141.76 10:40, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Canadian French uses a decimal comma; Canadian English uses a decimal point. Indefatigable 16:36, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

In connection with my posting hereabove, I believe that the ISO standard is to use a comma as a decimal separator (and possibly the dot as a thousands-separator, although that is probably optional). It also seems to make more sense to use a comma as the decimal separator since in reading it is more noticeable and in writing a pen-written dot can even not come out at all. And the decimal separator is more important than the thousands-separator. It is actually quite essential, whereas the thousands-separator is just a reading-aid that can even be left out. Not that this should go in the article, I just wanted to point it out :) . DirkvdM 18:01, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

 * If you can document it, it should go in this article, or ISO. I would hope they would not be so frivolous; this is about as silly as an ISO standard language. The comma separator, however, goes back at least to the seventeenth century, IIRC; so it was not produced by metric. Septentrionalis 22:31, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Silly? What does 12,345 mean? Confusion with stuff like this can crash a marslander. Well, actually, that was a mixup between metres and feet, I believe, but I just mean to say that standardisation with this sort of thing is quite a bit more important than, say, whether one writes standardisation or standardization. DirkvdM 08:15, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Way back in 1975, the Canadian Guide d'usage du système métrique wrote that the decimal marker was, according to ISO 31/0, the comma but that in English documents, the comma or the period can be used. Urhixidur 17:14, 2005 August 15 (UTC)

 * There is only one acceptable thousands separator in the SI, and that is the space. So, if there is either a comma or a dot, one should be able to assume that it is a decimal separator. --Jeepien 03:10:23, 2005-08-16 (UTC)

 * Sounds good in theory, and I have seen it used frequently enough. But the problem (as with any standard) is that people will have to know this is a standard (or rather the standard) and I doubt if many do. The nice thing about this solution, though, is that it doesn't 'offend' either group.
 * Which brings me to an interresting, more general question. In how far should Wikipedia educate by example? Should we agree to use one standard throughout Wikipedia? Or is there already a Wikirule on this? I mean specifically this and more in general? Like, say, extending the standard of putting a unit after the value to money (so "1 €" in stead of "€ 1")? Though I'm deviating now :) . DirkvdM 09:19, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Bread in USSR
"For example, bread is sold in one-half, one or two kilogram sizes in many countries, but you buy them by multiples of one hundred grams in the former USSR".

Having lived in the former USSR for 20 years, I find this statement inaccurate, at best. You can't walk into a store in the former USSR and ask for X*100 grams of bread. Bread is simply not sold by weight. You can only buy multiples of half-loaves. Besides, there is no "standard loaf of bread", one loaf can weigh anywhere from 400 to 850 grams.

There is, however, a standard unit of measurement called "100 grams." When used without specifying the subject of measurement ( e.g. "would you like 100 grams?" ), it invariably refers to vodka. --Itinerant1 06:50, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Constants in CGS
I removed the prickly section about "fabricated" constants. The sentence was awkward and run-on to begin with. The permittivity of the vacuum can be measured and has been verified. It fulfills the scientific definition of the word "constant". As for the alleged problems with the CGS system, it would be preferable to have a comparison section or related stub article, rather than a brief, unsubstantiated dismissal. Hopefully someone with expertise can do the upgrade in a neutral POV and with encyclopedic tone.

 * The sentence may have been awkward; the point is valid. The electrical constant (permittivity of a vacuum) and magnetic constant (permeability of free space) are defined, not measured, in the context of SI, and different in various cgs and other systems (both equal one exactly in Gaussian cgs units).  Gene Nygaard 14:12, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Assessment comment
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About "Britishizing" International System of Units
Moved here from my talkpage. -- DeFacto (talk). 07:06, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

The Wiktionary says that amid and among are preferred to amidst and amongst on both sides of the Atlantic; and -isation is regarded as British but not used by "Oxford" English; so considering that in general a good reason is needed to change the "dialect" of a Wikipedia page, I have some doubts about the wellfoundedness of your latest edit of the International System of Units page. I'm not going to revert it since it would be doing the very kind of change to which I'm raising an objection here; but I'd like an explanation. — Tonymec (talk) 07:00, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * according to the banner at the top of this page, this article is written in British English (and not British Oxford English), and all other instances of 'is'/'iz' words were already spelt with the 'is' anyway (idealise, standardise, recognise, etc.). For that reason I fixed the spellings of the few anomalies per MOS:RETAIN. -- DeFacto (talk). 07:14, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

 * ah, the banner is on the Talk page and I looked for something at the top of the Article page. Sorry for the noise. — Tonymec (talk) 07:18, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


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Redirect
I've redirected this page - the "Buddhism in _______" format has established itself as the predominant one. That phrasing better encompasses a multidimensional discussion of the history of buddhism in a given country, whereas the "-ian Buddhism" phraseology points only to the defining characteristics of Buddhism in the given country.~GZ 10/27/05

Addition
I added Bharat Soka Gakkai, but need help formatting the source. If someone can do it, or help me, I would much appreciate it. Nina Odell 19:58, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Ordinarily, I would source and explain this edit. However, SGI is my own organization, so I have first-hand knowledge. I hope everyone understands.Nina Odell 20:00, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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Rawson, Victoria

Rawson is a town in Victoria, Australia, located on Tyers - Thomson Valley Road, in the Shire of Baw Baw. The town was established for workers involved in the construction of the Thomson Dam, which was completed in 1983, Rawson Post Office opening on 17 April 1979.

The first buildings were constructed in 1977. They were initially named Robertson after Alan Robertson.

The history of the town and surrounding area is the focus of the Erica and District Historical Society, located in the old Rawson Police Station.

At the, Rawson had a population of 296.

Rawson may be a holiday destination for residents of Melbourne for activities such as bushwalking, hiking, 4WD exploration, mountain biking, trout fishing, whitewater adventuring, historical exploration, cross-country skiing, gold fossicking, deer hunting, and trail bike riding.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gilbey Momerath and The Stranglers of The Heart

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. — J I P | Talk 07:40, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Gilbey Momerath and The Stranglers of The Heart
NN band starting to gain a following. Has appeared in various guises and with different personnel in the last few years. —Wahoofive (talk) 04:26, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I already deleted (or voted to delete) an article about Gilbey Momerath last month. If it's not notable then, it's not notable now either. — J I P | Talk 12:15, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Why is this back? delete it again. Kappa 15:10, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete Dottore So 19:58, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Strangle it now --Jacquelyn Marie 04:30, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

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Checkuser
Re:Checkuser: I would never use that unless I had evidence of sock-ness. I haven't abused admin powers, and I don't see why you think I would abuse that power. Redwolf24 (talk—How's my driving?) 01:44, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

* I did not say anything about "abusing". All I said was that I was extremely uncomfortable. But maybe because I am one of those who is paranoid when it comes to privacy issues. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 01:55, 16 October 2005 (UTC) o I respect that. Essjay is quite anonymous, and he's my best wikifriend... I wouldn't just jump from person to person checking their IP. Redwolf24 (talk—How's my driving?) 01:57, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

 * In case you haven't seen. Thanks for your opinion anyway, regardless of what heading it was under ;-) R  e  dwolf24  (talk—How's my driving?) 02:10, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Super Bowl odds
Using http://www.reflector.com/sports/content/shared/sports/nfl/post/stats/odds.html and their source is The Sports Network.

It's taken me hours just to enter the odds on 2/3 of the Super Bowls so far. If I have to go back to all those, I'll have to give up.

GW

 * Actually, the original source is on The Sports Network web site . Zzyzx11 (Talk) 18:02, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
That was very cool of you to help me out like that. Thanks!Gator1 18:57, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Road stubs
All of the following made their way to WP:SFD:

 * Arizona State Route Stub
 * Kentucky State Highway Stub
 * Maryland-State-Highway-Stub
 * Massachusetts-State-Highway-Stub
 * Michigan-State-Highway-Stub
 * Missouri-State-Highway-Stub
 * Nevada-State-Highway-Stub
 * New-Hampshire-State-Highway-Stub
 * Nhroute
 * Washington-State-Highway-Stub

--Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:49, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: NFL Lore
Thanks for pointing that out, and please let me point out something else from Merging and moving pages ''The most common reason is when a page name is misspelled, or wrongly capitalized. Please fix any and all of those as you see them.'' That page was wrongly capitalized. I saw it. I fixed it. A Merge Proposal in a case like that is overkill, and against Be Bold. Any problems with GFDL can be solved with a note in the Edit Summary noting the old page name in the case it was in so people have a way to see the old page. I'll add that to the If that fails section of the Merging page to avoid any problems with GFDL. Karmafist 05:51, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * P.S: BTW, your Nomination Records page is cool, you're probably only second to Durin in Rfa studies. Karmafist 05:51, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Whoops, forgot to capitalize "Lore" again when I moved it to National Football League lore as per the Naming conventions to try to avoid abbreviations. The article now currently resides at National Football League Lore. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 06:03, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks for fixing that oversight. Let me know if I can help with something in the future. Karmafist 06:13, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Charlie the Disco Dog (Again)
Not to mention WTHR and WRTV could had swapped affliations carrying Charlie the Disco Dog in 1979 is mentioned, but this is from an unknown news report regarding ABC and the show, probably from The Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Associated Press, Indianapolis Star, newspapers in the Tampa Bay areas, and Raleigh, NC News & Observer, whoever is the delusional editor, could get in trouble. *Msg left by 65.54.154.11 (talk • contribs)
 * It would be nice if you could provide the exact time and date of these news reports. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 21:57, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

 * The Wall Street Journal September 1974 (?)
 * New York Times September 1974 (?)
 * Associated Press September 1974 (?)
 * Raleigh, NC News & Observer September 1974
 * Indianapolis Star September 1974 (?)
 * ABC (the only TV network denies it)

 * Didn't you read above? Exact times and dates! Zzyzx11 (Talk) 04:04, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I did read them, But I do not know what the exact time, when reports came in, all I said was September 1974, this is the only information I have! and I was not there in my own time in 1974.

What are you trying to do, User:Zzyzx11, (also refer to your real name) Are you trying to accuse the American Broadcasting Company and several news organizations of covering up exact dates and times of unknown reports? That would be an tragedy. - Several news organziations could had gone ahead to publish the story leaking the name of the network and character or that ABC decided to leak the name of the cartoon dog character, Charlie and the music term, "disco", or they did not tell the other news editors about it.

WP:AN/I
Heya, your last edit to WP:AN/I deleted katefan0's comments. What that on purpose? I'm not sure you clarified sufficiently to render here remark moot. --fvw *  23:42, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It was accidently erased in an edit conflict. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:49, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Wow
I've been trying to add delete tags on articles, but your deleting them before I can.

Great! Molotov (talk)   04:28, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Already, have another one for that!

Take care, Molotov (talk)   04:31, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Just doing my job... Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 04:35, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Hi Zzyzx11! Just wanted to thank you for supporting my RfA. I hope I will be able to live up to the confidence placed in me. --Cyberjunkie | Talk 04:56, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Tagging copyvios for speedy delete
I usually say which url the copyvio article is from, but sometimes, it doesn't show up in the article even though I do put it in. It usually shows up as simply in these cases. ErikNY 22:33, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Tomf688 RFA vote
I noticed that you have some concerns in relation to my RfA. I want to thank you for voting (even if it was not positive), but I also wanted to ask if you could be a bit more specific as to what can I do or perform to possibly change your mind? Again, thanks. -- tomf688 {talk} 14:39, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. I clarified my comments on your RFA. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 14:52, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

He's too obscure than being well-known.
No one told me this show does not exist on Google and IMDB, except Jeff Schiller, Amcaja and Ezhiki which I have gived up the discussion with them.

I was even blocked of creating some articles relating to him, probably more than three times. Look, I did not say the little-talking dog was an rock singer, he is a cartoon character. No one can think outright of banning the obscure character and blaming the American Broadcasting Company and several news organizations, including the New York Times. I quit.

User:65.54.xxx.xxx

 * How many times do I have to tell you about Charlie the Disco Dog? Please give us specific times and dates of your sources so that I or any other editor can go to our local public library's newspapers and periodicals department, look it up in their databases and microfiche, and look it up ourselves. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 17:32, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Block this user from Wikipedia
I don't have any of my own sources dating back to the mid to late 1970s, and that he or she is still trying to demand exact dates and times, where I did get my own sources from the show? Should I give him the source, when it started when Nixon was fired? No, I don't have any 1970s calendars. ABC and the New York Times could get in trouble, including newspapers in few cities I quoted.'''

User:65.54.xxx.xxx

Minnesota Vikings
Regarding my removal of the "Sex Scandal" chapter of the Minnesota Vikings page, I believe this type of journalism is best left out of NFL team pages. I believe it only encourages fans of rival NFL franchises to add more negative information about teams they don't like. If we want to add a chapter on player transgressions to every NFL team, I believe the Cowboys and Packers sites could use a few updates as well. How about the Mark Chmura hottob incident with teenage girls or Michael Irvin in a hotel room with cocaine and women? Anyway, I think you see my point.

--Erdrick October 23rd 2005
 * Just so you know, I am not a big fan of that section anyway, but other users differ with me. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:34, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Branden Robinson
You removed the Branden Robinson page that I created, claiming that "this does not really assert why this developer is important or significant in relation to any other developer".

Branden is incumbent of the office of Debian Project Leader; I think that makes him "significant" enough. I agree that the page was rather small, and could've included more information, but I ran out of time and wanted to complete it at a later time. You didn't give me the chance...

Please restore that page.

-- Wouter Verhelst -- 195.144.77.46 16:43, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

 * If you would like, please follow the directions at Deletion review. Your job will be to convince myself, User:JJay (the user who first tagged your article for deletion), and any other editor as to why this article should be restored and why it does not violate the criteria listed on Deletion of vanity articles. Thank you. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:16, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
 * However, after researching it a bit, I might restore it after I modify the original a bit... Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:24, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the resources
Hello, I like the set of tools you have collected on your user page so much that I have pillfered them for my own purposes. It has been really handy to me to have all these resources linked in one convenient place. As an expression of my thanks, and in recognition of your own use of these many tools to make Wikipedia a better place. I award you this Barnstar. Johntex\talk 01:12, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

the wub's RfA
Thanks a lot for your support on my RfA, I really appreciate it. the wub  "?!"  12:48, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Felice Beato
Hi, regarding my FAC on Felice Beato, I've rewritten the lead and other sections and I've added some images. How does it look to you now? Pinkville 11:16, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Titoxd's RfA
Thank you for supporting me in my RfA. I never thought I would get so much support! Thanks to your help, my nomination was the 10th most supported RfA in Wikipedia history. Now, please keep an eye out on me while I learn the new tools, ok? Thanks again! Tito xd (?!?) 17:55, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Template:SFBridges

 * They're already in an order of north-south bridges from west to east, then east-west bridges from north to south. The purpose of the template is to easily organize the eight bridges, by linking to each in a convienient place. I don't see this template as a series infobox, but a Navigational one --LBMixPro(Speak on it!) 22:28, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Charlie Dog again
I don't have any ideas this time now. But I am still being told to stop talking about Charlie Dog again and again, which is driving me crazy, he only asked an dumb question is where did I get my own ideas from.

What was I thinking? Did Channel 4 in Indianapolis feature Charlie narrating in "Saturday Night Fever", also you ask WGN or WTTV (Indianapolis) about it. No comments, I guess I will remove it quickly.

Quoting from Thomas Edison's dog Nipper - "Where is his master's voice?".

Old Talks
I've decided I'm going to track down evry conversation I've ever had and post a link to my side of the converastion. Could you give me a link to that conversation we had a while back about Peanuts Characters? Thanks.

Oh, and one more thing. When you respond, and this tagline to the top, right under the header?:
 * To see the other side of this converstion, please click here. Thank you.

Thank you. --Wack'd About Wiki 12:22, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I pasted your request on your archive page. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 14:47, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Project Tags
You're absolutely right. I was really wondering why nothing was tagged. My bad, i'm going back and reverting now.jfg284 16:05, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

In the news
ITN stories should be relevant to at least more than one country. U.S. Supreme Court stories are absolutely inappropriate here, despite any ideas you may be getting from reading the top stories in U.S. media. silsor 17:07, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * What guideline or policy are you referring to? Zzyzx11 (Talk) 17:10, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm referring to In the news section on the Main Page, which says "It should be a story of an international importance, or at least interest." Needless to say the nomination of a judge isn't of interest to the non-American world, and in terms of international importance or affect, it's nil.  silsor 17:16, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Do you have evidence to cite that? In my opinion, much like our deletion policy, the burden is in you to cite reasons and evidence to remove an entry like that. Keep in mind, I was not the one who put it on ITN originally. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 17:23, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Your opinion seems to be "lost in space", not based upon anything. You're comparing it to the deletion policy which is about deleting articles.  And even under the deletion policy, people give their opinion on whether an article is notable, interesting and important, with no requirement for "evidence". silsor 17:32, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if I seemed too harsh over all this. silsor 17:42, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

New York Giants
I see you reverted a quote by Well Mara on the New York Giants article. I agree with the revert, as I don't think the quote was quite right. But the speech did happen, as I was there at that game. I'll see if I can find a more definitive version of the quote. You can call me Al 21:16, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah! Found it. You can call me Al 21:20, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Bears
Regarding former homes, what do you think about listing one-use sites, such as Chicago Stadium for the 1932 championship game, or Dyche Stadium for opening day in 1969? Wahkeenah 23:26, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

It probably was 1970. I couldn't recall. I would have checked for sure first. The Bears were looking around for a suitable new home, because no matter how many bodies they stuffed into Wrigley, it was still short of the 50,000 that the NFL decreed as the minimum standard around that time. Hence the migration to Soldier Field. They even took the old East Stand temporary bleachers and made them into a North Stand at the lakeside stadium. This was around the time the Bears went 1-13 and lost the rights to Terry Bradshaw to the Pittsburgh Steelers, who also went 1-13. In fact, I think the Bears' only win that year came against the Steelers. Ah, nostalgic memories. Right. Wahkeenah 05:29, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I am pretty sure it was the opening game of 1970 vs. Philadelphia, won 20-16 or some such. They went 6-8 that year, not too bad considering they were 1-13 in 1969. Wahkeenah 01:05, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the confirmation and further details. I vaguely recall watching that game on TV, watching Dick Butkus "kill". So your main reference lists all non-standard sites for all NFL games ever? Awesome. Wahkeenah 02:13, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Daniel Brandt
Is it time to start blocking folks? In any case I'd like to see it kept open for a while before protecting it, the IPs are changing all the time so it may not do any good. I'm willing to sit and revert for a while. Wear him out... Rx StrangeLove 03:29, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I saw that you protected it, I'm willing to sit and revert...I'd like see if reverting for a while gets the point across Rx StrangeLove 03:31, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Because IPs are constantly changing I am very hesitant to block and would rather protect the page. But if there are a number of users willing to sit and revert for a while, like what is always done on the daily featured article, then I will not get in the way. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:33, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm wiling to revert for a couple hours myself....plus there's other RC patrolers. I just think that protection is sort of a last resort and we shouldn't put ourselves in a postiton where he can accuse us of preventing him from editing a version he doesn't agree with. I know he's causing it but we should make every attempt to be able to say we tried to keep it open. I won't roll your change back, but I did want to let you know how I felt. Rx StrangeLove 03:41, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I removed it for now, have fun... Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:46, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll see how it goes tonight, it may end up protected again but at least we did our best, thanks. Rx StrangeLove 03:49, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

thanks
Thanks for the revert of the vandalism on my user and user talk pages. Just so you know the vandal has been blocked for 1 week due to death threats and if he returns and causes problems he'll have to be blocked for longer since making death threats against other editors is unacceptable and shouldn't be tolerated. Thanks again. Jtkiefer T - 05:11, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

rfa records numbering
can User:Zzyzx11/RFA_nomination_records be numbered, I could do it next to the username. -- A dam1213  Talk+ 02:25, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

 * cant you use # for numbers

-- A dam1213   Talk +  02:44, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

 * In this case I recommend that you have a copy of it insomething like excel / frontpage / word / open office and autonumber it and have it all formated in it.... so it will do it.

Or even better all of the things are the same ammounts of lines on the left have a table with numbers in it it will do it for you!!!! -- A dam1213   Talk +  02:52, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for reverting vandalism on my user page. -Greg Asche (talk) 21:20, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

 * What he said ^^^ Fir  e  Fo  x  21:40, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Just doin' my job... Zzyzx11 (Talk) 21:53, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

.
Could you try the table with a separte table on the left with numbers it could look the same as the table version and be numbered... -- A dam1213   Talk +  09:48, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I have no idea how to code what you are suggesting. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 11:42, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

My RFA
I'm sorry you found reason to be neutral on my request for adminship, but now that I've been promoted, I'd like to clear the slate. If you have any specific issues/problems with me, please feel free to state them on my talk page so that I can work to prevent them in the future. ALKIVAR ™ 07:27, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Fir e  Fo  x RFA

Thanks for your support on my request for adminship.

The final outcome was (96/2/0), so I am now an administrator. If you ever have any queries about my actions, please do not hesitate to contact me. Again, thanks! Fir e  Fo  x  18:36, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

here is some proof/sources for Terminator 4

 * [read this]
 * [Read]

now will all the people stop eraseing it?

about Pentium Pro logo
I just noticed that you deleted the Pentium Pro logo sometime ago with the help of the new deleted edits browser. Anyway, Pentium Pro is a different processor from Pentium I and it had a small difference in the logo too. Therefore, I just wanted to let you know that what you deleted wasn't exactly the "scaled down version of Pentium I logo". -- WB 01:29, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Userpage vandalism
Thanks for reverting vandalism to my userpage. I appreciate it. I have given our friend a one hour vacation. Thanks again. -- Psy guy (talk) 06:03, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Image server
Thanks for clearing that up- and I understand now I think, was reverting to an image that wasn't within copyright or policy by accident because of that. My mistake! Schissel : bowl listen 23:09, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Oldvfd template
I'm cleaning up references to oldvfd, replacing them with oldafdfull and basically hoovering up the mess left behind following a deletion attempt. I notice that you have listed this article on User:Zzyzx11/AT with a note to "always subst". Please don't SUBST this template, for two reasons: Maybe you're not doing this any more, but I just wanted to mention it… HTH HAND Phil | Talk 09:27, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
 * it makes it very difficult to do what I'm doing, because the trace-back is destroyed
 * it clutters up the talk page with stuff that people don't really need to see in edit-mode
 * Whoa, I forgot that page, and yes, I do not really close AFD anymore. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 16:01, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Recent Edits Deleted for "advertising"
Adding articles pertaining to the subject matter is not advertising (ie the Buck Rogers article, the Automan article, subjects that have little to no coverage on the net that the site in question researched extensively, albeit with a humorous slant.) Using Wiki for advertising would be more along the lines of Progressiveboink's self-written bio page which they event went so far as to link as a "feature" on their main page, claiming that they are the continuation of Whatever-Dude.com, when none of their writers were on Whatever-dude.com staff when the site went out of business. I added a few links to pre-existing pieces that added additional info to the articles in question. I did not write a bio piece on how great the site linked was. —preceding unsigned comment by Blowhard77 (talk • contribs)

Reply Re: Recent Edits Deleted for "advertising"
In regards to the fact that the site in question has already been used on Wikipedia in the same fashion without it being questioned seems to indicate that some on Wiki staff have no problem with the content, especially when it purtains to a subject that already has a limited amount of information available as it is, such as the aforementioned television shows. Movie reviews, I can see those being superfluous, even though IMDB also links to this very same website for reviews on films rarely, if ever, reviewed by mainstream sites such as rotten tomatoes. But take, for instance, the site's online tours of Disney parks. The webmaster purports to be a former Disney castmember, and provides information in those articles not made readily available my Disney's own sites, nor anywhere else on the web, including sites like Pouse Planet... tips on what to see and what to miss, what rides are age appropriate, pricing structures, vacation packages, and the like that aren't presented or spun by a Disney-owned website. Those articles are one of the major draws that the site in question is known for, and has received numerous accolades from sites like XE and Fark.

—preceding unsigned comment by Blowhard77 (talk • contribs)

Conspiracy theory redux
"This is the song that never ends, it just goes on and on my friends..." See. Jayjg (talk) 20:54, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks neighbor
From the offices of one Master Jay:

I decided to check, like, my page history (pardon my California english), and I discovered that you reverted vandalism on my page, obviously when I was not online. Thanks for keeping a watch on your neighbors when they're out, neighbor. --Master Jay 00:04, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Warning Message sent to 206.190.193.91
Hi, I just wanted to let you know that this is my school... :-\ I just noticed that you sent a block warning, and I think that if you could keep pages from being edited from this address, that would be a good idea, since it seems like kids here just want to make trouble.

Continuation of discussion
Well you're not going to find a review of the site because the only writers who write reviews of E/N sites are the E/N site owners themselves (Progressiveboink's Wikipedia page being a perfect example.) The site in question was founded by one of the star writers from Whatever-dude.com after it went down in 2004. Whatever-dude.com was itself a highly popular site and an offshoot of X-Entertainment, one of the most visited E/N style sites on the web. The new site (well, it's over a year old now, but still considered the new guy on the block E/N/ site wise) is regularly linked on Fark, alldumb, and other such "best of the web" style sites. Besides which, saying that a source of information is superfluous because one hasn't heard of it is a statement of pure ignorance. When you walk into a Barnes and Noble, you're surrounded by thousands of works by authors you've never heard of. If all we ever bought were books by authors we'd heard of, the advancement of modern fiction would end as soon as the current generation of authors died.

besides which, one of the examples you give of a "worthy" site, (for no other reason than because you've heard of it) IMDB links to the site in question for reviews of relatively unknown films it hasn't covered; one example that comes to mind being a z-flick called "The Adventures Of Young Van Helsing."

But you're right. You shouldn't invest time in websites you haven't heard of. In fact, feel free to never use Google again, since there will clearly never be a need for you to find new websites, since the ones you've already heard of are the only ones of merit. Of course, I only heard of Wikipedia a few weeks ago...

—preceding unsigned comment by Blowhard77 (talk • contribs)

 * A word of advice friend: it is not smart to use Sarcasm when trying to persaude someone. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 14:52, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Oakland
Sorry. But why do we have pointless redirects like Los Angeles redirecting to Los Angeles, California, where there's a note about the disambiguation page? Narco 23:11, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

One Further Note
If the links I put up were not appropriate Wiki external links, then explain the Progressive Boink links on these pages:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burger_King http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Claw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doki_Doki_Panic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenan_%26_Kel

—preceding unsigned comment by Blowhard77 (talk • contribs)

Thank you!
Hi Zzyzx11, Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. I was both surprised and delighted about the amount of support votes and all the kind words! If I can ever help with anything or if you have any comments about my actions as an admin, please let me know! Regards, Joann e B 15:19, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

GraemeL's RFA
Hi Zzyzx11, I am now an administrator and would like to thank you for your support on my RfA. I was very surprised at the number of votes and amount of and kind comments that I gathered. Please don't hesitate to contact me if I mess up in the use of my new powers. --GraemeL (talk) 15:49, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough
Well I certainly wasn't meaning to offend. I just tend to have a sarcastic nature when discussing things. In light of the other sites falling under the "maybe ok" rule, can I add those links back to the pages they were removed from?

—preceding unsigned comment by Blowhard77 (talk • contribs)

La Shawn Barber
I'm writing to alert you to a new vote on something you previously voted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/La_Shawn_Barber_%282nd_nomination%29

Please note that this is not a campaign to canvas a vote one way or another, but simply to ask for your input since you've weighed in on similar matters before.

—preceding unsigned comment by YHoshua (talk • contribs)

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