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Talk:Transfer (association football)

Reference 3 is not working
404 not found comes up. Howley.l (talk) 17:20, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Neymar is missing
Neymar is for some reason removed from the list. Why?
 * The reason I removed Neymar is because, according to Barcelona, the actual transfer fee paid to Santos was €17m. The rest was money paid to Neymar's parents, as reported by Sky Sports, The Independent, The Guardian, and BBC. I would imagine a lot of the money in big transfers goes to agents/assorted third parties, but there's no way of definitely knowing. The Neymar transfer was unusual in the transparency shown. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 16:22, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

mario gotz e
w=hat about mario gotze transfer to bayern — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.135.231.79 (talk) 19:53, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Neymar to FC Barcelona
New reports and investigations show the Neymar transfer to Barcelona was 86 million euros. Please edit this. http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1699461/neymar-investors-want-cut-barcelona-transfer?cc=5901

More on this:

FC Barcelona admit Neymar transfer was 86,2 million euros (01.24.14)

http://www.cuatro.com/deportes/futbol/barcelona/Barca-reconoce-Neymar-costado-millones_2_1737780187.html

FC Barcelona pays Spanish IRS 13,55 million euros over Naymar deal (02.24.14)

http://www.abc.es/deportes/futbol/20140224/abci-barcelona-pago-hacienda-neymar-201402241454.html http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/sports/barcelona-pays-spanish-tax-authorities-13-5m-over-neymar-deal-which-now-reaches-100m-1.865196

That makes 99,75 million euros so far, please edit accordingly — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.76.49.118 (talk) 14:35, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Neymar transfer fee was 86.2 million euros. The list needs to be changed
FC Barcelona President Rosell resigned on 23rd January 2014 because of Neymar case. New president Bartomeu admitted new figures in Neymar´s transfer deal in a press conference on 24th January. The total transfer fee was 86.2 million euros (Without player salary. 130,2 million euros if Neymar´s salary is included)
 * The Guardian: "Not including salary, Barcelona admitted to the €86.2m total cost." http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jan/27/barcelona-neymar-sandro-rosell
 * Goltv: "...various add-ons take the deal to a total 86 million euros" http://www.goltv.tv/en/new-tag/neymar
 * Times of Malta: "Barca reveal Neymar transfer from Santos cost club €86 million". "Barcelona said the entire deal cost 86.2 million euros: 57.1 million euros for the transfer, 10 million euros in a signing bonus, 2.7 million euros in commissions, 4.0 million in marketing, 2.5 million for Neymar's foundation and 9.9 million euros in scouting and collaborative deals.". http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20140126/football/Barca-reveal-Neymar-transfer-from-Santos-cost-club-86-million.504167#.Uut0-WCA2P8
 * La voz de Galicia: "El Barça reconoce que la operación Neymar ascendió hasta los 86 millones de euros." http://www.lavozdegalicia.es/noticia/deportes/2014/01/24/barca-reconoce-operacion-neymar-ascendio-86-millones-euros/00031390588472283470938.htm
 * Deia.com: "Neymar costó 86, 2 millones de euros". http://www.deia.com/2014/01/25/deportes/futbol/neymar-costo-86-2-millones-de-euros
 * Noticias de Gipuzkoa: "El fichaje de Neymar se disparó hasta los 86 millones". http://www.noticiasdegipuzkoa.com/2014/01/25/deportes/futbol/el-fichaje-de-neymar-se-disparo-hasta-los-86-millones
 * Futbolfinanzas.com: "Fin al culebrón: Neymar costó 86,2 millones de euros". http://futbolfinanzas.com/fin-al-culebron-neymar-costo-862-millones-de-euros/
 * Eleconomista.es: "El Barça dice ahora que fichar a Neymar costó 86 millones de euros". http://ecodiario.eleconomista.es/futbol/noticias/5487101/01/14/El-Bara-dice-ahora-que-fichar-a-Neymar-costo-86-millones-de-euros.html#Kku8YY45UBVPa9lL
 * Marca: "El Barcelona cifra la operación Neymar en 86,2 millones." http://www.marca.com/2014/01/24/futbol/equipos/barcelona/1390592577.html
 * El País: "El Barça habla ahora de 86,2 millones". http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2014/01/24/actualidad/1390603636_027264.html
 * Sportyou: El Barça sube la cifra por Neymar: 86,2 millones." http://www.sportyou.es/blog/futbol/2014/01/24/el-barca-sube-la-cifra-por-neymar-862-millones-480572.html
 * ABC: "El Barça cifra la operación Neymar en 86,2 millones". http://www.abc.es/deportes/futbol/20140124/abci-bartomeu-cifras-neymar-201401241954.html
 * Reuters España: "El Barça dice ahora que fichar a Neymar costó 86 millones de euros". http://es.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idESMAEA0N05O20140124
 * Peru 21:Caso Neymar: "Barcelona admite que pagó 86,2 millones por su incorporación." //www.diariogol.com/es/notices/2014/01/bartomeu-asume-que-traer-a-neymar-cuesta-86-2-millones-de-euros-37468.php
 * Diariogol.com: Bartomeu asume que traer a Neymar cuesta 86,2 millones de euros". http://www.diariogol.com/es/notices/2014/01/bartomeu-asume-que-traer-a-neymar-cuesta-86-2-millones-de-euros-37468.php
 * NuevaEraDeportiva: "Neymar costó 86,2 millones de euros." http://www.nuevaeradeportiva.com/2014/01/neymar-costo-862-millones-de-euros.html
 * Cuatro: "El Barça reconoce que el fichaje de Neymar ha costado 86,2 millones de euros" http://www.cuatro.com/deportes/futbol/barcelona/Barca-reconoce-Neymar-costado-millones_2_1737780187.html
 * Estrella digital: "El Barça reconoce que la operación costó 86 millones de euros." http://www.estrelladigital.es/articulo/futbol/barca-reconoce-operacion-costo-86-millones-euros/20140124202427008925.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fjallbacka (talk • contribs) 11:32, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Two key sentences stand out in the very first source provided; "It also turned out, of course, that he might not have been €57.1m either", and "The total cost, if not the actual transfer fee, was more than €86.2m". I think we should wait to see how this saga pans out before jumping the gun and declaring Neymar #1 based on "might not" and money not necessarily deemed to be a transfer fee. The effort in collating those sources is appreciated, of course, but at this junction in the story, perhaps futile. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 14:05, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

 * What Bill said. The actual transfer fee is still reported as 57 million. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 15:03, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

WTF?
11 	Scotland Mario Silva[30][31] 	Scotland Celtic 	Italy Milan 	£35.5 	€56.5 	2006

Please remove! I don't dare to it, I will only screw it up. Edit: That took only seconds! Thanks!

Legal Definition
There doesn't seem to be anything on where transfer fees sit legally. By that I mean whatis written in a contract so that a club can demand compensation for rescinding it? As far as I am aware a player can freely walk away and be a plumbe rif he wanted (or at least he could in the days before bosman). IS a contract so "fixed" that both parties have to agree to rescind it and the only way a club would is if they are financially compensated. The legal abiguity of transfer fees is confusing and it would be nice to get a proper explaination especially is we have them for managers now as well. cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.204.234.96 (talk) 02:08, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Transfer (football)?
Should this article cover only football. I believe that in cricket, basketball and other sports there are tranfers as well. Perhaps this should be a: Transfer (sport) article.
 * Many reasons why it should be like this,for example, transfer rules are different between sports and this article only describe things that follow the transfer rules of football. If transfers in some sport is a big thing then it should have it's own article if it's not then the people who are interested in it probably already know how it  works and those who are not probably doesn't need to know.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by William Tölöberg (talk • contribs) 14:53, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Beckham deal not a transfer
??? As the referenced below stated, Beckham's contract with Real is about to expire. This was a free transfer and does not belong on this page. Or am I missing something? Olinto 00:12, 13 January 2007 (UTC)Olinto

Soccer vs. American sports
Why is it that soccer players always seem to be transfered for cash while in America, athletes are usually traded for other athletes? Are soccer players ever traded for each other? Mwalcoff 06:32, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * That is a good question... I wish I could answer it. Don't the soccer team owners use the cash to hire players?  --Merovingian (t) (c) 06:34, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * There are no rules against it and it has happened, but it is very rare. Calsicol 01:18, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
 * What you do get more often is part exchange deals, especially in the lower leagues. Morwen - Talk 12:44, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

 * It is usually part exchange, where a lesser value player is added to the money on offer, but ocassionally a straight swap has taken place.Lord Cornwallis (talk) 15:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Transfer records
It would be good to have a historic list of transfer records in here. I think the percentage that goes to the player varies, although it is usually nothing if the player puts in a written transfer request. It would be difficult to find out as it would be tied up with the players agent, which most clubs dont list Lazmac 13:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I'd go further and say that a seperate article on record transfer fees should probably exist. I'll start doing some research.Lord Cornwallis (talk) 15:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Others missing?
According to your source, Football Database, 30 million pounds were paid to St Germain by Barcelona for Ronaldinho. The calls around 30 million are quite close. What are the differences introduced using €? Should more players be introduced in the list?

shevchenko was 30 million, veron needs to be taken out, the others moved down, so shevchenko goes into the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.106.155.251 (talk) 15:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

URGENT: NOBODY ADD KAKA
Kaka did not yet transfer to Real Madrid, it is still speculation and there is no OFFICIAL WORD FROM EITHER CLUB. Until there is, WIkipedia must assume that there is no transfer - we are an encyclopedia not a sports magazine. Contact me if any concerns Bulkroosh (talk) 15:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, the transfer is now official. My concern is about the rankings. If we consider the fee in Euros, then Kaka is placed at second spot behind Zidane. If we consider the fee in GBP, then Kaka's transfer is the costliest. However, consider that the Euro as a currency has been steady over the years whereas the pound has weakened. So, it makes sense to establish sort the list with respect to Euros rather than pounds. 59.162.23.221 (talk) 06:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I've changed the article back to pounds for two reason. Firstly the World football transfer record article orders moves by pounds and for consistency it is necessary to keep all related articles in the same currency. Secondly the Euro remains a relatively new currency and so there are no accurate euro values for transfers pre-1999. This conflicts with my above point that consistency is needed throughout transfer record related articles --Daviessimo (talk) 07:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

 * I don't think the use of pounds makes sense at all. If we look at the five highest transfers on the list, and 9 of the fifteen listed, all were conducted fully in Euro, pounds don't come into. Clearly, in these transfers, the player's value was decided based on the Euro valuation, and using the Euro here more accurately reflects the substance of the transaction.

(P.S) I'm aware that the Euro only came into circulation in 2002, but the exchange rates between Eurozone countries was fixed in 1999, meaning that the Euro is accurate as it remained stable in relation to the currencies of the clubs involved.Bh02306069 (talk) 17:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure also that the Euro has some sort of official standing within UEFA meaning that European transfers have to be denominated in Euro. 86.177.171.90 (talk) 10:01, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

This article has become ridiculous. It should just be listed in Euros, and then to the right of it in GBP. When it becomes too complex the way it has it turns off anyone who is looking for simple data, which is what people rush to Wikipedia for.

What about the players' role?
This article is missing something crucial ... what if a club wants to sell a player but he doesn't want to go? Does the player have a say? What if there are offers from clubs A and B, the club wants to sell to club A, but the player wants to go to club B? What happens then?

Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Ibrahimovic inflated transfer value does not look correct compared to the value paid, given it was only a year ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.148.105 (talk) 23:30, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Zlatan should only be €45M, etoo was included in the deal and although he had a value (not confirmed by a reliable source), this is transfer fees received and etoo's value should not be included!!! CHANGE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.157.250 (talk) 22:18, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I believe Zlatan's fee was around 45 million euro. Should the fee for Eto'o be added to the transfer value?

Silental (talk) 21:56, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

According to the Spanish press, and quoting an FC Barcelona executive, Ibrahimovic tranfer to Barcelona was valued at €66 million by the parts, while that of Eto'o to Inter was valued at €20 million. In fact, although obviously linked, these are two legally independent operations. http://www.marca.com/2009/07/27/futbol/equipos/barcelona/1248702093.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.30.84.125 (talk) 16:09, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, it was one legal operation. The Zlatan presentation was held off until Eto'o signed the papers in Milan. Both players completed their medicals and signed contracts concurrently. Inter would not have accepted the deal if it was €45 million only. I'll leave it for others to research and site sources as I expect this will be a controversial change on this page, putting Zlatan above Kaka with €66 million. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.201.238.163 (talk) 21:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Hernán Crespo to Lazio, is fee plus Matias Almeyda and Sérgio Conceição. Vieri to Inter is fee plus Diego Simeone. Unpaid debt Gaizka Mendieta became Stefano Fiore and Bernardo Corradi. Matthew_hk   t  c  14:07, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

 * The problem with part-exchange deals is the lack of an official fee for the player swapped. I could be wrong, but as I understand it the fee for Eto'o is just a media estimate of his valuation rather than an actual agreement between the clubs. I don't know how the info can be included in the table except as it is now. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 14:17, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Barcelona have stated the part exchange was €20, so where does the value in the table come from? --86.136.71.39 (talk) 09:07, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have the link to Barca's statement? If you have then this can be resolved. If not I don't think it should be added to Ibrahimovic's value because it's just an estimate without official source.RavenMaster7 (talk) 10:05, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Mourinho think Eto'o worth €50M, FC Barcelona said he worth €20M. Kaká, Shevchenko Ronaldo fee is media estimate. The section itself have problem. Matthew_hk  t  c  15:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Eto'o should def. be included in the valuation of Ibrahimovic. Obviously Eto'o was and is worth more than 20 million euro, somewhere between 30 and 50 I would say. Footnote number 5 - I can't even find the 5 in the article or in the table, where is it? Also I propose you put a sentence in the part right above the table, to make it clear. This should not be a discussion between Ibrahimovic lover and haters, but the article is incorrect in this state, as I see it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.180.56.60 (talk) 12:54, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Juventus year book 2002-03 said Buffon discount value at June 2003 is €52.265M, Nedvěd is €47.778M, the fee is the table is wrong. Matthew_hk   t  c  15:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Mario Gomez
What about German striker Mario Gomez? FC Bayern Munich paid about 35 million euros (about 30 million pounds) for him this summer. As the table is listed in GBP Gomez should be placed 13th. Etmot (talk) 15:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Listing Records in € and not £
Why are the record listed in £ and not the more logical €? Why is the € more logical? Because 8 out of the 10 transfers have happened between countries in the Eurozone, and in one of the final two (Ronaldo) the deal was negotiated in €. By listing it in £, one obtains a misleading picture, because of the plummeting exchange rate of sterling makes newer transfers appear higher. I suggest we re-arrange the list by value in €. Mecil (talk) 22:10, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Carlos Tevez
There's conflicting evidence to what his transfer fee is, see http://www.footballtransfers.co.uk/profile/carlos-tevez/7556/, or the ref at Tevez. I suggest we delete him until conclusive evidence is found. Sandman888 (talk) 14:39, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Tevez fee needs to be confirmed and adjusted accordingly. Right no he is probably 15 places higher than he should be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.76.163.245 (talk) 12:16, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Suggestion
Please make this a template, and insert it in all the related articles, Thanks!

Solidarity Contribution
Why the whole section deleted and without any hints in this talk page?! Matthew_hk  t  c  10:26, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

The Gunnarsson transfer — seperate article or redirect
Should there be a seperate article about the Gunnarsson transfer ?

Or a redirect?--85.166.141.237 (talk) 15:43, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * This case meet the notability guidelines (WP:GNG), and could be an own article. Be WP:BOLD and start it, and more editors with more sources will edit the article. The worst thing that could happen is that it's merged into Stabæk Fotball. Cheers. Mentoz86 (talk) 16:49, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

 * If you start the article, then I expect to contribute. More info on your talk page.
 * (A such article would probably not be merged to Stabæk; the leaders of 2 teams made a one-million kroner deal for a five-million kroner player. I would not rule out sanctions against one or more of Vålerenga's leaders.)--85.166.141.237 (talk) 14:32, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

 * I suggest a redirect for now, to Consequences of the Stabæk-Vålerenga transfer of Veigar Pall Gunnarsson. I have been inspired by the thoughts of User:Comte0 at wp:France.
 * (A registered user, rather than I, would have to perform such a redirect, possibly to Veigar_Páll_Gunnarsson#Consequences_of_the_Stab.C3.A6k-V.C3.A5lerenga_transfer . Suggestion for name of redirect: Veigar_Páll_Gunnarsson 2011 football transfer)--85.166.141.237 (talk) 17:00, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Media links

 * November 18: (Hegnar claims that Stabæk is lying)Hegnar refser Ingebrigt - mener Stabæk lyver
 * November 27: (Record fines to Stabæk and Vålerenga)"Rekordbøter til Stabæk og Vålerenga"

Are there any notable links in English?--85.166.141.237 (talk) 15:43, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

The need for a seperate article; naming
There is a need for a seperate article. Most of what the media has written so far, shows no participation of the football player himself. So why should sanctions against various other people and clubs, be mentioned in the article about the player?

The name probably ought to be Veigar_Páll_Gunnarsson transfer 2011. (He has been transferred several times in the last 10 years, and many of those have arguably been notable.

The most notable draft that I have seen for such an article, is Gunnarsson transfer — using text from 3 authors.--85.166.141.237 (talk) 11:11, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

January 2012 Edits

 * I have made some edits to the table that I'd like to discuss. The table is for the "Top 15 transfer fees paid"... So my perspective is that if there are another 3 players transferred for £40m (adjusted for inflation) this window, but it will still only be the 10th highest transfer fee paid, thus making the next highest the 11th highest fee paid, and so on. It's not like a race where if there is a dead heat for second, then the next person over the line is fourth. I hope this is making sence... I think it is good having it this way as it shows 15 unique values that make the "top 15 transfer fees paid", which to my understanding is the idea of the table.

 * I added in Rio Ferdinand and Juan Sebastián Verón as their fee adjusted for inflation is £35m - I read the talk page and but I'm still not entirely sure why they were removed.

 * Finally, references are needed for the fees attributed to Ronaldo and Andriy Shevchenko.
 * For Ronaldo, the fee published in Ronaldo is €46m (also unsourced), yet the fee here is £46m/€58m - transfermarkt.co.uk quotes £39.6m.
 * For Shevchenko, I've only ever seen £30.8m quoted as the fee, which is in line with the sourced fee on Andriy Shevchenko, however transfermarkt.co.uk claims £40.48m.

Any constructive input would be appreciated - I'd also appreciate not flat out deleting my work without first having a chat about it. I've got no problems if people want to edit it though as I took an educated guess at Robinho and Dimitar Berbatov being #14 and #15 respectively. Cheers :) - Ck786 (talk) 02:24, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

 * Righto. A week has passed with no objections to the above. I have done my own research on Ronaldo and Andriy Shevchenko's transfers. Italian media outlet reported the Ronaldo transfer as €45m - with €35m paid up front and another €10m payable in December 2002 if Inter didn't select a Madrid player to be included in the deal. This see's Ronaldo drop to 9th on the list. As for Shevchenko, I just used the sourced figure from his article, which references an A.C. Milan financial report. Thus Shevchenko drops to 14th on the adjusted list. Berbatov drops off, because Shevchenko's fee is no longer the same as Christian Vieri's (or anyone else for that matter). So the table is complete with 15 unique record transfer fees as of this edit. Ck786 (talk) 01:05, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

 * One final change - had to re-add in Berbatov as I missed that both Rui Costa and Javier Pastore are on £37m (adjusted), thus for there to be 15 unique transfer fees, Berbatov needed to go in at #15 with Costa and Pastore on equal 11th and the troupe on £35m, all equal 12th. Ck786 (talk) 23:52, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Nedved vs Buffon
Nedved costed Juve 41 million euros (http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/news/newsid=1064964.html), but he doesn't make the list, while Buffon (23 million pounds, http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/1422132.stm) does? Something isn't right here. Azzurro2882 (talk) 06:45, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Inbrahimovic
None of the sources claim Ibrahimovic's transfer was 66 million euros. They claim it was 46 million + Eto'o who was valued at 20 million. Its a matter of fact that his transfer fee wasn't 66 million. It was 46 million. This is a FACT. Why on earth is Ibrahimovic the only trade in the history of football where the estimated value of who he was traded with is added. It's just an estimate and this applies to literally no other trade. I therefore request a change in the table because it is absolute categorical FACT that the transfer fee was NOT 66 milluion euros. Why does everyone always, always make this mistake ONLY for Ibrahimovic. Stumink (talk) 16:30, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Andy Cole's transfer figure was always reported as £7million, which was actually £6million + £1million rated Keith Gillespie. Inter valued Eto'o at £20 million, and therefore accepted him as part of the transfer fee. 82.163.59.11 (talk) 15:21, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Mendieta
He went to Lazio for 48million at the time, he surely makes the list?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.185.200 (talk) 21:06, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Fernandinho
On 6 June 2013, Fernandinho became Manchester City's first signing of the summer, for a fee of £30 million — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.109.118.129 (talk) 11:21, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Cristiano Ronaldo should still be ranked #1 and not Gareth Bale

Previous ranking on world's most expensive transfer attributed to Gareth Bale was attributed based on speculative values. Such speculation has been put to an end by the president of Real Madrid on public interview, widely reported by the media

Gareth Bale's Transfer Fee Revealed by Real Madrid President

I would like to see previous editor to correct the relevant information concerning this matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rrts (talk • contribs) 02:41, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Gareth Bale should be #1
Why isn't Gareth Bale ranked 1st in the article? According to sources, his transfer is the most expensive costing £85m (100m euros).  Mohamed CJ  (talk)  15:21, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

 * It's funny how the vandal missed off removing the references pointing out that it was in fact £85.3 million (100m euros), Ronaldo fan boy I presume. I'd suggest semi-locking the page along with the record progression one also. 109.170.144.231 (talk) 12:40, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

 * According to other sources it was just 91m euros. There is NO OFFICAL STATEMENT which can prove that Bale cost 100m euros while there is an OFFICAL SOURCE (here) for the 94m euros of Ronaldo. Is Wikipedia built on rumours or does it work with official sources? Seriously, how can you declare someone the world record transfer without statements from the clubs? It's hilarious. -- Tkotw12 (talk) 14:21, 30 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.11.176.43 (talk)

 * I included 6 sources from well respected media outlets, and all cite an extremely similar fee.RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 09:09, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

 * First of all, the Daily Mail surely is anything but a well respected media outlet. That makes it five. The you have The Independent, which clearly states: While Tottenham said they had been paid €100m for Bale sources in Spain described the fee as €90m. That makes it four. Then you have The Guardian, which, in another article also states: While the talk is of Bale signing for €100m, the figure released by Madrid is €91m. That makes it three. And then, of course, you only cite British media outlets but totally forget about the existence of Spanish ones. How about the always well informed Madrid-based sports newspapers Diario AS (here) and Marca (here) or the highly respected El Mundo (here) among others. They all talk about 91m euros. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Bale cost 91m euros, I'm just trying to tell you that there is no actual proof that his fee was 100m euros. And Wikipedia should not use rumours of numbers and state them as facts. So it should say that according to media reports Bale cost between 91 and 100m euros which could be the world record transfer. It's as easy as that. -- Tkotw12 (talk) 13:39, 1 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.11.176.43 (talk)

 * You asked for a club statement, and then you copy & paste this - "Tottenham said they had been paid €100m for Bale". Why ignore that? It's not official but it's exactly what Real Madrid have done with their reports in AS and Marca. You say Daily Mail shouldn't be trusted (that's a whole other argument, especially considering Neil Ashton wrote the piece) but 2 of the 3 sources you listed were Marca and AS, and as Spanish football expert Sid Lowe discusses in this article, they are horrifically pro-Real Madrid, so if a Madrid source lies to them about the fee, they'll report it anyway. The El Mundo link says the source of the €91m is Chamartin, a region in Madrid, so basically the source is Real Madrid. Yet they later mention the €100m fee which is sourced to the BBC. A more recent Marca article and a more recent AS article both mention the fee of €100m alongside the fee of €91m. I don't know what the offical Wiki policy is, but seeing as this is the English language version of Wikipedia, English sources should be presumably be favoured unless the only sources available are foreign language. I used 6 sources, intentionally more than every other player on the list, purely as this has proved to be a contentious issue and should be a sufficient number of sources to avoid this debate. If those 6 major English language stories reveal the fee is actually lower, the ranking will be amended accordingly. Similarly with the Tevez ranking, I used a large number of sources to counter any possible doubts that would be had. If there's an issue with the lack of official figure released by Tottenham, most of the players on the list will have to be removed as big transfers are generally described as "undisclosed" or something similar. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 19:21, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

 * The source of the 91m euros is Real Madrid. Alright. And that's what you criticize? They were part of the deal. They should know, right? What's the source of the 100m euros? Tottenham, of course. Now, both clubs have a reason to tell a lie. Real Madrid to keep the Portuguese happy and Tottenham to justify the sale of its star player with a new world record fee. So basically it's the word of Real Madrid against the word of Tottenham. And there are plenty of newspaper articles you could cite for both sums. Even most of your British sources also mention the 91m euros. So there is no proof for the actual amount! And it's just not right to just cite the 100m sources and leave out the other ones. It's like you are saying "It's 100m euros. Forget about the 91m euros. That's rubbish" without any proof for the actual amount. If most of the other players on the list also are listed with unofficial sources than this should be mentioned as well. Otherwise it's just bad encyclopedic work. But at least regarding the other players it doesn't exist any conflicting information. I guess that's the big difference -- Tkotw12 (talk) 20:39, 1 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.11.176.43 (talk)
 * Edit: Goal.com: Perez claims bale cost 91m -- Tkotw12 (talk) 12:39, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

 * I think that we should add 91m euros as the offical transfer fee as Perez (Real Madrid president) is the first to official reveal the price. I think one official claim from a club is a better source then media reports. As I know, Tottenham has never officialy stated the price to the media, and if they dont respond soon, we should make the 91m euros as the transfer fee. -- SideMaster (talk) 16 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Surely we should wait until Tottenham and/or Real release their financial documents until settling upon the decision, rather than using arbitrary deadlines or relying on Goal.com and Marca? Tottenham release their financial report in mid-to-late January.RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 20:33, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Well, we finally have the first official statement from one of the club's officials. And it is not anyone but Florentino Pérez, the Real Madrid president. We are not relying on Goal.com or Marca but on an interview he gave on national television. Therefore we surely can wait for the financial statements - although as an accountant I'm sure it will be quite difficult to find any useful and clear information in there - but as it is the only official source up to now we should at least rely more on this one than on the newspaper articles. ESPN.co.uk: Ronaldo cost more than Bale - Perez -- Tkotw12 (talk) 14:00, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Edit: And the sources keep coming. What do you think? Can we rely on FIFA? fifa.com: Bale set for Real return after training -- Tkotw12 (talk) 05:21, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Can I ask, did you actually read those articles? Because at no point does Florentino Perez say Bale cost £78m. The articles have blatantly misquoted Perez. That's tabloid stuff. And really, you ask if we can rely on FIFA? Of course we can't! If you want an actual quote from somebody involved, read this link which contains actual quotes from Gareth Bale's actual agent. Not misquotes, nor quotes from somebody with an agenda to appease fans that he didn't break the transfer record despite his club being in mountains of debt.RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 13:12, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Of course you can ask, my friend! I read those articles. I even watched the television interview. I see nothing wrong with those quotes. They present the truth. He was asked if Bale was insured for the amount of his transfer fee of 91m euros. And Florentino said that's right. Where's the misquote? By the way, you talk about mountains of debt like that's a bad thing, but you don't seem to understand that debt can be very healthy. In fact, every big corporation on earth has debts, billions of debts. Still they are very healthy, as is Real Madrid. But that's another topic. The quotes of his agent are fine but they don't matter as he doesn't belong to one of the clubs and has an even bigger interest to make him the record man than Florentino has to appease fans. -- Tkotw12 (talk) 15:49, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Here's the response of Perez: "Yes, sure. It's a life insurance, against accidents. Bale is insured for the amount he cost". Perez did not say "Bale is insured for €91m". These sources are futile.RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 00:42, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

 * But you realize that he gave his answer based on a question, right? And the question basically was if Bale was insured for €91m. In this context the answer "Yes, sure. Bale is insured for the amount he cost" is anything but futile as foundation for sources. But, of course, you are right: He didn't explicitly state "Bale is insured for €91m". -- Tkotw12 (talk) 7:55, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

 * But you realise that he gave his answer based on a loaded question, right?RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 15:25, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Are we now discussing the type of question he answered? This is great! The guy has to answer questions like this every day. He knows how to handle loaded questions. What he said is what he said. Why do you keep deleting the new Agence France-Presse source. It's one of the most respected Western news agencies. You can't ask for a better source than that. -- Tkotw12 (talk) 17:17, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

 * If you know what a loaded question is, you'll know why such a source is totally ridiculous. It doesn't matter if AFP is "resepected", loaded questions hold no merit. Unless a source has NEW information which isn't wrapped in a loaded question (i.e. Bale's agent saying the transfer is a record), there's really no need to add it. It isn't necessary to have a dozen links which all say the same thing months after the event. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RealDealBillMcNeal (talk • contribs) 17:47, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
 * You are right. -- Tkotw12 (talk) 18:28, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Can somebody explain to me why it is now stated as official again that the Bale transfer broke the world record fee (even with a picture at the beginning of the article!)? What happened? -- Tkotw12 (talk) 9:58, 23 January 2014 (CEST)
 * It isn't saying that (unless someone altered the caption). Because of the conflicting information in reliable sources, both Ronaldo and Bale are listed as being either the most expensive player ever, or the second most. Hence the "1-2" in the table. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 13:43, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Did you read the text right below the picture of Bale at the beginning of the article? It says: Gareth Bale is the most expensive player in the history of association football. And it goes on saying: Cristiano Ronaldo previously held the honour. How does this reflect the conflicting information in reliable sources? I totally agree with the "1-2"-listing in the table. But the text below the pictures has to be changed as well as the sentence in the Highest fees category which presents a fact rather than the conflicting information (...contains six transfers which broke the world transfer record: those of Gareth Bale...). -- Tkotw12 (talk) 15:56, 23 January 2014 (CEST)
 * I missed that, and yes, that does need changing. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 15:58, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Playing position
Should there be a list for Highest transfer fee position — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.98.167.114 (talk) 22:50, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2014
This list is wrong. Barcelona's president has said that Neymar cost 86 million euros, not 57 as incorrectly reported on this list. You can see more in Spain's best-selling general information newspaper: http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2014/01/24/actualidad/1390579318_254979.html Barcelona's best-selling newspaper carries the same story: http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/barca/barca-desnuda-operacion-neymar-304088 Would it be possible to correct this mistake now that even Barcelona's president is acknowledging that Neymar cost 86 million euro? (and perhaps more, as published by Spanish media this week)

77.102.226.171 (talk) 21:03, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * List already notes that there is some ambiguity here, just like it does for Bale. No further action required. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 21:20, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Some abiguity? New facts have come to light, as confirmed by multiple sources. The list needs to be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.210.136.146 (talk) 10:33, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * If you actually read what was said, you will see that the transfer fee is still claimed to be 57 million euros. It's the other stuff, which is not part of the transfer fee, that is said to be 86. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 12:02, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Real Madrid paid €91,000,000 for Gareth Bale
Según informó Sportnomics, la transacción de 77 millones de libras (91 millones de euros) fue registrada en la Hacienda Británica (HMTreasure) el pasado 3 de septiembre, lo que confirmaría la versión del Real Madrid.

Source: http://futbolfinanzas.com/es-bale-el-fichaje-mas-caro-de-la-historia/

Transfer Markt: http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/gareth-bale/transfers/spieler_39381_942395.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.53.64.251 (talk) 21:50, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The latter isn't a reliable source, and the former is a little questionable to me. Regardless, this is something that will not be changed any time soon, as the consensus for what we have now. Equally, writing in Spanish isn't helpful. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 22:12, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Luis Suarez should be at the top of the table
Suarez transfer fee to Barcelona is 75m pound which is a little more than 94m euro .. Gareth Bale was sold for 91m euro and Ronaldo was sold for 80m pound which was a little less than 94m euro at the time .. Suarez transfer broke the record.--AhMeD BoSS (talk) 12:10, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

 * Suarez is less expensive than Ronaldo in terms of pounds but equal to him in terms of euros. I think it's best to leave it the way it is until we get more info on Suarez's price and Bale's price. --Dekabreak101 (talk) 14:25, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

The Spanish press quotes a transfer price of €81 million (there is consensus on that figure on the four nation-wide sports newspapers), which matches the £64.3 million suggested by Sky Sports in its latest update (see first paragraph)... http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/9379054/transfer-news-barcelona-have-agreed-a-fee-with-liverpool-for-luis-suarez — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trantor2312 (talk • contribs) 16:29, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

 * The following two links also state the region of 80 million euros. Yet the sources used in this article are of English sites right as the transfer happened. ESPFC.com Marca.com Can this be updated to show the correct figure of 81 million euros? La Fuzion  ( K lo K ) 19:56, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

 * The BBC, Times, and Liverpool Echo report 75 million pounds. Much more reputable than awful sources like Marca and ESPNFC. So no. --Dekabreak101 (talk) 22:55, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Pato from São Paulo to AC Milan
It should be mentioned somewhere that Pato's transfer from São Paulo FC to AC Milan had been the most expansive transfer of a player under Age of majority. --Snaporaxx (talk) 13:58, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * If you can find a reliable source/sources that details teenage transfers, go ahead and make the edit. Although as it stands, both Luke Shaw and Wayne Rooney are the top 2 in such a list. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 21:10, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Tevez
The Tevez fee is unsupported by any of the sources provided and has been discredited by the club and media sports investments as well as Tevez's advisors,

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/anger-over-tevez-47m-fee-929735

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1212941/Carlos-Tevezs-advisors-insist-Manchester-City-did-break-British-record-striker.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.177.218 (talk) 21:36, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Luke Shaw
I think Luke Shaw should make the list, since his transfer was 30-33 million pounds (i didnt find a 100% reliable info on that) so it would break the teenager record. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaolini (talk • contribs) 07:02, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2014
where is Neymar

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Photos
All these photos are really necessary? --129.102.254.253 (talk) 15:58, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

How about the Champions League?
In this article it's said nothing about the following: I know that if a player has been signed mid-season and he's played in the Champions League for his old club, he can't play for his new in the tournament until the end of the season. I don't know since when is it so. Also I see no answer if a player has played for his old team in the Europa League if he can play for his new tam in the Champions league, which is the question that troubles me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.72.183.69 (talk) 11:02, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

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Merge from Globalization of the football transfer market
That article, created as an educational student assignment, is essentially a fork of the history, with a few instances of the word globalization thrown in. There is no need for this to exist as a separate article. Sure, transfers are affected by globalization - so is everything else, pretty much, and the article doesn't make a good case that globalization of transfers is a notable topic in itself. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:35, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirected to the history section, rather than merging, given the above arguments. Klbrain (talk) 12:25, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Merger proposal September 2019
I propose to merge Loan (sports) into Transfer (association football). I think that the content in the Loan (sports) article can easily be explained in the context of Transfers generally, and the Transfer (association football) article is of a reasonable size that the merging of the Loan (sports) article will not cause any problems as far as article size is concerned. Loans are generally seen as a type of transfer, and are indeed already covered on this page. While the Loan (sports) article purports to cover all sports, its content refers exclusively to association football. Domeditrix (talk) 06:53, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

 * :~WP:WikiProject Football~ has been notified to help generate additional attention to the above request(s).Domeditrix (talk) 07:18, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - I'm not sure it particularly helps. Yes, they are of suitable lengths that, had they been merged at the start, we shouldn't do a WP:SPLIT, but the article on loans could be expanded. Just because two items are quite well related, it doesn't mean they defacto need to be merged. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:14, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Support - if the "loan" main article covered anything other than football I might oppose it, but at present it seems nobody has done so. If at a future point someone wants to deal with "loans" in a wider sporting context, then they can recreate with more comprehensive cover. It is at best a fork. Koncorde (talk) 00:17, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose The article Loan (sports) mean loan in professional sport. It can cover loan in basketball and other sport if they have "loan" system. No objection on copying /cutting content to Transfer (association football). Just make sure to attribute and tag the articles by templates . Matthew hk (talk) 09:38, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I would say that the main Loan article is at best a stub. It was created in 2006 as "Loan (football)", it was moved to "Loan (association football)" in 2009 by Jimbo online, and then moved without any discussion to "Loan (sports)" by User:Heymid but at no point was the article expanded to cover other sports (and no rationale for what "other sports" perform loans was submitted), or the moves discussed. The only significant change subsequent to 2010 was the changing of the initial wording to "In sports" from "In football", while everything else has been the same since (changing the image seems to have been the biggest move). This seems a very obvious case of a WP:REDUNDANTFORK having been changed incorrectly in the past.
 * I would salt this article back to a redirect to the different articles that exist for Transfer mechanics. Koncorde (talk) 10:11, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

 * Oppose - The incoming links include Finnish Ice hockey teams, American baseball players, English rugby league players, Slovenian basketball players, "Rhodesian/Australian" rugby league players, Croatian basketball players, Welsh rugby union/league players etc. in among all the footballers. That's just from a cursory look through the first two pages (50) of incoming links. I think you have highlighted that the Loan (sports) currently requires expansion and improvement. But if you merge it into Transfer (association football), where do you propose to point all these other incoming links from other sports? Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 18:13, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * No what I have identified is that this shouldn't have been forked without a rationale, and then it shouldn't have had its name change without a rationale, and someone should have thought 10 years ago that if you are going to create a generic loan (sports) stub that they should have looked for the parent article first. At the moment there is not a "Transfer (sport)" to discuss the use of transfers in all those other sports. The fact that this one has existed and has been linked to is basically irrelevant. Supporting this article effectively supports the idea that someone could rename Transfer (association football) on a whim, and then force the football article to include unrelated content because that is what has happened here.
 * In reality there should be that generic "sports transfer" wiki, within which loans are discussed. This Loan article then becomes a redirect to Transfer (sports) and within that article you have small sections on each sport, with a "see main article" for Association football. Each sport can then have it's own Loan (basketball) that redirects to their own Transfer page.
 * Any other decision just prolongs the absence of the actual parent article while creating an unnecessary fork of content which will likely become more splintered as time progresses. Koncorde (talk) 19:07, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

 * Oppose This is for all sports (and it is irrelevant what it was 10 years ago). Ludost Mlačani (talk) 21:49, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think you understand what is being proposed. This article would remain, the content would be merged. This articles content would then require fleshing out. Koncorde (talk) 13:41, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think you understand what I meant. I want article Loan (sports) to remain. Ludost Mlačani (talk) 22:06, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * That wasn't part of the merge debate? Koncorde (talk) 22:57, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Additional ISuggestion
For best example of what needs to happen, see: Trade (sports) which needs a partner page Transfer (sports) separated by their concepts. These then need to link direct down to Transfer (association football), Transfer market, Transfer window and similar. I suspect that there is a lot of duplication across the articles and / or cross referencing. Koncorde (talk) 11:01, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Neymar, 7 years later
Text of this article says "the transfer had in fact cost them a total of €57.1 million (£48.6M)", but the reference it cites says "Josep Maria Bartomeu, called a news conference to reveal the true cost of signing Neymar was actually £71.5m. I'll investigate a bit more before changing it, but this looks like figures getting muddled. Dhalamh (talk) 21:08, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

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Kimnyole

Kimnyole Arap Turkat (c.1840s -1890) was the Nandi Orkoiyot who predicted the arrival of Europeans ("the white tribe") and the railways ("the Iron Snake"); two events that were to forever alter the history of the Nandi.

He is noted for the prophesies he made and is famous for being the father of Koitalel Arap Samoei, the leader of the Nandi Resistance. He was also the father of Kipchomber Arap Koilege, the first Kipsigis Orkoioyot, and grandfather of Barsirian Arap Manyei, Kenya's longest serving political detainee.

Early life
Kimnyole was born to Talai Arap Turukat, the third Nandi Orkoiyot. He belonged to the Sawe age-set group of the Nandi.

Reconquest of Uasin Gishu
During Kimnyole's reign, internecine conflicts of the 1870s and 80s between the various Maasai factions saw the routing of the Uasin Gishu Maasai by a combined force of the Naivasha and Laikipia Maasai. The Nandi then defeated the remnants of the Uasin Gishu at a battle in the Kipkaren Valley, as the Maasai had tried to re-assert their claim to the plateau.

Shortly after, the Laikipiak were defeated by the Naivasha such that the latter were left as the only military power strong enough to contest the grazing rights to the Uasin Gishu plateau with the rising Nandi.

Several inconclusive skirmishes took place between the two until eventually, the Naivasha were routed at Ziwa and chased back into the Rift Valley. Thus the Nandi had unchallenged access to the pastures and salt licks throughout the vast Uasin Gishu plateau. Cattle and captives swelled the Nandi animal and human populations.

Kimnyole's death
Trouble began for Kimnyole in the late 1880s, starting about 1888, when disaster struck the Nandi in the form of rinderpest cattle disease which was spreading round Kenya at this time.

Kimnyole was blamed for not having warned the warriors who went out to raid and brought back rinderpest infected cattle. It was noted that only his cattle had not died. He was also accused of sanctioning a combined raid of Nandi bororiosiek that had resulted in disaster when large numbers of Nandi warriors were killed.

Kimnyole Arap Turukat was thus sentenced to death in 1890 and was stoned to death by representatives of some bororiosiek.

Succession
Kimnyole's death led to a succession dispute between his two sons; Koitalel Arap Samoei and Kipchomber Arap Koilege. Factions formed around the two aspirants and minor skirmishes took place between their supporters but this did not extend to full-scale war. The dispute ended with the defeat of Kipchomber Arap Koilege in 1895, after which he fled to the Kipsigis with his supporters, becoming the first Kipsigis Orgoiyot.

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I remove stereotypes category
Because it's useless here Zipodu (talk) 18:34, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

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Horatio Allen

Horatio Allen (May 10, 1802 – December 31, 1889) was an American civil engineer and inventor, and President of Erie Railroad in the year 1843–1844.

Biography
Born in Schenectady, New York, he graduated from Columbia University in 1823, and was appointed Assistant Engineer of the Delaware and Hudson Canal Company (precursor to the railroad). In 1827 he quit the Canal Company and went to England to study the emerging rail road technology, particularly locomotives. He was therefore asked to arrange for the construction of 3 locomotives for the Canal Company's projected railway (as per his June 25, 1880 letter to the editor of the New York Times). There he made the acquaintance of engineer George Stephenson. In 1829 he operated the first steam locomotive, one of the ones he ordered for the D&H, to run in America, the Stourbridge Lion, which ran successfully at Honesdale, Pennsylvania on August 8, 1829. From 1829 to 1834 he was the chief engineer of the South Carolina Canal and Rail Road Company, at that time the longest railway in the world (about 136 miles/218 km). He was the inventor of the so-called "swiveling truck" for railway cars. He wrote: The Railroad Era; First Five Years of its Development (1884).

In his other activities, from 1838 to 1842 he was principal assistant engineer of the Croton Aqueduct, the major water supply system for New York City; in 1842 he became connected with the Novelty Iron Works, a major builder of marine steam and other engines; at various times chief engineer and president of the Erie Railway; consulting engineer for the Panama Railway and the Brooklyn Bridge; and in 1872 and 1873 was president of the American Society of Civil Engineers.

In 1924 the Delaware and Hudson Railway built its first experimental high-pressure locomotive, No. 1400 and named it "Horatio Allen".

Publications

 * M. N. Forney, Memoir of Horatio Allen (reprinted from the Railroad and Engineering Journal)
 * M. N. Forney, Memoir of Horatio Allen (reprinted from the Railroad and Engineering Journal)

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Talk:Mr. Roboto

Bullshit

 * I call BS on the "most known to generation Y" comment... "Come Sail Away" is clearly the more popular, well known song.. I was born in 1989
 * Any information about the apparent intentional misspelling in the song of the word "modern" as "modren". As in "Modren man" ?  The article does even mention this curiousity.  (anonymous)

 * Dunno. He definitely sings "modren". Was the band from Canada? That might explain it. Lupine Proletariat 13:28, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Furry Roadkill 05:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)Added hyperlink to Mr. Roboto (not sure if in right place)

I heard this was the song that tore the band apart. Anyone know anything about this and if true willing to add it to the article? (unsigned comment by 06:35, 5 October 2005 66.75.49.213)

 * Dennis DeYoung wanted to do rock operas; the rest of the band wanted to rock. DeYoung had a certain amount of power over the rest of the band, because he wrote hit singles that brought in money. But the band hated "Mr Roboto" because it was not rock, and the tour for Kilroy was Here involved the band dressing up in robot costumes, acting out bits of the album's story, and miming to backing tapes. It could not last. Lupine Proletariat 13:28, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Humans eat their poop because it is nutritious.

Reverto
Domo Arigato, Mr. Reverto --Mr. reverto 01:56, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Domo

Domo

--R. Evert 02:10, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The users 133.20.16.171, Revertus Maximus, Mr. reverto, and R. Evert are presumably all the same person. Since you seem insistant on repeatedly reverting back to a specific and very old version of this article, perhaps you can be more productive and discuss here the reasons why you think that version is better. There have been many additions and removals to the article since then, and you probably are only in disagreement with a few of those changes and not all. Although providing song lyrics is a noble goal, there may be legal copyright issues with that; linking to an external site with lyrics is probably safer. -- Bovineone 07:11, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

austin powers.
i wasnt aware that quote was said more than once. :/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.132.149.227 (talk) 04:46, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

Translation
Though copyright naziism prevents us from displaying the full glory of the lyrics here in our information repository, I think a blurb featuring the translation of the Nihongo bits in the song would be useful. I seem to remember a 'himitsu no shiri tai' which has something to do with a secret... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.122.208.51 (talk) 17:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC).

Generation Y (and X!)
I've asked for a citation on the Generation Y comment. I agree with the comment above that it sounds like BS. I was born in 1970, but from what I've met of Generation Y I would be astounded to discover that most of them are aware of Kilroy Was Here, let alone derive amusement from it's concept.HarryHenryGebel 01:53, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Never mind Generation Y -- I'm clearly a Gen-X'er (b. 1971), and "Mr. Roboto" was the first Styx song to catch my attention. Without doubt.
 * There is a huge difference when you are raised by parents who do not listen to rock music. My parents could have at least had the decency to play Beatles records for me. But they didn't, and it took MTV to bring rock music to my attention. And, regardless of what you think of the song, "Mr. Roboto" is definitely one of their best videos.
 * --Ben Culture (talk) 23:06, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Terrible japanese translation
Just noticed that the translation of the Japanese lyrics is completely retardedly 100% incorrect.

The Japanese lyrics are:

どうもありがとうミスターロボット また会う日まで どうもありがとうミスターロボット 秘密を知りたい

The translation provided is:

"Thank you very much, Mr. Roboto   For cleaning the dog poop    Thank you very much, Mr. Roboto    For helping me escape to where I needed to pee"

These are just the English lyrics sung later in the song. Somebody has just assumed that it's a translation. It isn't. The proper translation would be:

どうもありがとうミスターロボット Thank you very much, Mr Roboto また会う日まで We meet again on day どうもありがとうミスターロボット Thank you very much, Mr Roboto 秘密を知りたい I want to know your secret This song was also featured in an episode of Two and a Half Men, during which a couple of references are made to its --101.185.93.89 (talk) 11:28, 27 February 2018 (UTC)lyrics.

The moral of the story is: don't ever assume anything.

Shnur 11:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Queen
This song is always thought to be written and performed by Queen. Obviously it resembles a Queen writing style, and the vocals kinda sound like Freddie Murcury at times, and that contributes to this confusion. What I'm interested to know if there is if there is any other reason for this confusion, or at least if anyone knows the basic history of this error.

Regardless of the history or causes of the mistake, it is significant enough to mention the confusion somewhere on this page. Inthefade (talk) 22:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC)inthefade

 * only if you can cite it! --98.217.14.211 (talk) 05:05, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

 * "always thought" by whom? Be wary of any statements that use terms like "is thought to be", "is considered to be", etc., as they're usually weasel words to mask a statement of opinion.
 * No offense, but as far as I'm aware, you could be the ONLY person who thinks it sounds like Queen. I have never encountered anybody saying anything like that.
 * --Ben Culture (talk) 23:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

I also at first thought of it as a queen song, and even downloaded the song from several filesharing apps that had the name as queen - domo arigato mr roboto.mp3 or something like that — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.183.246.139 (talk) 06:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Polysics
Shouldn't there be a reference in this article to the Polysics song "Domo Arigato Mr Roboto" seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9-_Ss4X8Ec In a recent interview Hiro gave more information on this song.

One of the things about Devo that I like is their ability to take an old song and completely rework it into a Devo song. You guys certainly do that as well. One that I really like is your version of the horrible Styx song “Mr. Roboto”. What inspired this cover and how did you turn it from utter unlistenable garbage into a brilliant SciFi club thumper?

 * One of the things about Devo that I like is their ability to take an old song and completely rework it into a Devo song. You guys certainly do that as well. One that I really like is your version of the horrible Styx song “Mr. Roboto”. What inspired this cover and how did you turn it from utter unlistenable garbage into a brilliant SciFi club thumper?

 * ”Mr. Roboto” was my favorite song, but the only part I remember from the original version was the “Domo arigato” part. I heard that Styx was showing gratitude to Japan’s YMO – Yellow Magic Orchestra – by saying “Domo arigato” (thank you very much) in Japanese in this song. So I thought that a Japanese band like us covering this song 20 years later would make sense. I only remembered that vocoder hook line “Domo arigato”, so I thought about using that part to make another song. In a way, I wrote it as a Styx-POLYSICS collaboration, using that part as a hook. I was also aware of the four-beat club sound being a trend at that time. By the way, I think Styx members deserve to be in other parts of that song’s video clip, rather than just that hook part at the beginning. But I love that video anyway. I’ve seen it so many times.

source http://missionsunknown.com/2010/02/guest-in-sa-polysics/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.194.69.137 (talk) 10:57, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Why does this comment even exist? I can't even tell if it's all one person or two. It looks like a thinly-disguised excuse to express an individual's negative opinion of the song.
 * To answer the original question: No. That isn't notable. There is a ton of un-notable trivia about "Mr. Roboto". And, incidentally, the links are dead.
 * --Ben Culture (talk) 23:14, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

How I met your mother
I just watched the first part of the first season of "How I met your mother" and I can confirm that the song appears in the mentioned episode, in the strip club scene. However I haven't the slightest idea how to provide a citation for that claim, other than: "buy the dvd, watch the episode".

Translation Incorrect
The translation "Thank you very much, Mr. Roboto" is incorrect. "ロボット" is Japanese for "robot", thus the correct translation is "Thank you very much, Mr. Robot."

Reference: http://jisho.org/words?jap=%E3%83%AD%E3%83%9C%E3%83%83%E3%83%88&eng=&dict=edict — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthforitsownsake (talk • contribs) 16:44, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * As we're here, I always thought that the emphasis of "thank you", "thank you very much", is expressed in Japanese as "dōmo arigatō gozaimasu". Hmmm... -andy 217.50.59.18 (talk) 22:00, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Jonathan Chance?
This character from the rock operetta is introduced in this article with no explanation as to who he is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.48.12 (talk) 15:32, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

 * If you know who the character is (a rebel fighting the ban on rock music -- simple as that), then why didn't you fix the article yourself? --Ben Culture (talk) 23:17, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

King of Queens
The song appeared in a season two episode of the King of Queens. I wonder if it's worth mentioning in the TV section. 94.98.123.96 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 09:06, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

"Composition" section
My compliments to the editor(s) who wrote the "Composition" section. This is what a section with that title should be like -- actual information about the musical composition. (I have done this with a number of articles about Pink Floyd songs, such as "Dogs", "Run Like Hell", and various other songs from The Wall.) I haven't even fact-checked the information in this section, or tested any of it out on my piano, but based on what I know of the song, it looks correct. Even if it isn't correct, kudos for trying. Thank you to whoever wrote that section!

--Ben Culture (talk) 23:22, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

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Populous II: Trials of the Olympian Gods

Populous II: Trials of the Olympian Gods is a 1991 strategy video game in the Populous series for the Amiga, Atari ST and MS-DOS-based computers, developed by Bullfrog Productions. Populous II is a direct sequel to Bullfrog's earlier game Populous and is one of the company's most notable games.

Like its predecessor, Populous II is a god game, where the player is guiding his people in battle against the followers of an enemy god. Whereas Populous only generally alluded to undefined deities, Populous II is specifically set under the backdrop of Greek mythology. The player is a demigod, one of Zeus's countless children with mortal women, and has to battle one Greek deity at a time until finally facing his father. Zeus has promised to let the player into the Pantheon on Olympus if he can survive all the battles.

A data disk was also released for Populous II, titled Populous II: The Challenge Games. This was set in Japanese mythology instead of Greek, and had each level as its individual challenge, slightly in the style of a puzzle game.

A Sega Mega Drive version was released as Two Tribes: Populous II in 1993 ported by PanelComp and published by Virgin Interactive.

Gameplay
Populous II is considerably more versatile and has a great deal more "divine intervention" effects than the original game. Populous would only bestow eight powers on the player but the sequel, Populous II has twenty-nine (30 in the PC version). These are sub-divided into six categories of effect: earth, water, wind, fire, plants and people. The six categories are linked to a global "manna meter" which needs to be filled to a certain level to enable specific powers for usage. Manna is generated by population existing over time - the larger the population, the more manna is generated. Use of a power will deplete a set amount of manna and repeated use of the more devastating powers will empty the manna reservoir.

Similar to the "knight" effect in Populous, each effect category includes a "hero", allowing the player to transform his or her leader into one of six legendary figures in Greek mythology who will wander around the map attacking enemies or perform some other nefarious act.

If either side controlled a certain percentage of the map, usually 75%, ancient Greek monsters would be unleashed upon the map, such as the Colossus or Medusa, which would wander from one side to another leaving a trail of destruction in their wake. This was usually seen as a cue to hurry up and complete the map because the monsters were indestructible and were indiscriminate in who they killed.

Upon the successful completion of a map, the player will be awarded between one and five small experience points depending on scale of victory, number and types of powers used and length of battle which can then be used to boost capabilities in any of the six categories. This will improve accuracy and duration of powers and reduce the amount of manna needed to activate abilities.

The game features 1000 maps and the player would advance to the next map depending on performance in the battle - an exceptional performance would allow the player to skip several maps; a more unsatisfying performance would bring the player no farther than three or fewer maps.

One of the effects in the plants category is a deadly fungus that is planted on the ground, changing its shape and killing anyone who steps on it. Although the manual does not explain how it grows, it is easy to see that its shape changing obeys the rules of Conway's Game of Life.

Populous II: The Challenge Games
The data disk introduced 500 new maps to conquer and one additional divine intervention. Beside a new Japan inspired graphics style there is also a new play mode with 42 levels (challenges), slightly resembling a puzzle game.

Development
The Amiga version of Populous II began development in March 1991, and was released in November 1991. British gaming magazine The One interviewed Peter Molyneux, the designer of Populous II, for information regarding its development in a pre-release interview. Populous II was in the design stages before its predecessor Populous had finished playtesting, and The One states that "[the] game has effectively been developing for more than two years, although actual keyboard work only began in March." Populous II doesn't reuse code or assets from Populous, and Molyneux expresses that he holds the design philosophy that "You can't call anything a sequel unless it's totally rewritten, because otherwise it's really just a data disk - and we've already done enough of those." While the final product lacks assets from Populous, Populous II's development began with Populous being ported to a newer computer to be used as a framework. Due to the new city-building aspect present in Populous II, The One states that "there's a very strong possibility that you will be able to export these cities to Sim City and play around with them there", a feature absent in the final game.

Memory restrictions were a notable limitation in Populous II's development, and Molyneux expresses that as a result, 1MB Amigas have more animation than $1/2$MB Amigas, and all sprites are compressed. Finding gameplay roles for two Greek gods in particular was noted as a difficulty; Aphrodite and Dionysus, due to determining what their spheres would translate to in-game. In response to criticisms of Populous regarding players being unable to recover when the opposition is winning, a feature wherein the player's followers create temples - even in enemy territory - was added, with the inclusion of this 'random' element intended to require players to change strategies as necessary. Populous II incorporates a total of 35 effects, as Molyneux expresses that "People were always saving [resources] for a volcano or earthquake". Greek and Celtic mythology, as well as the Bible, were used as references for Populous II's effects. Populous II's icon-based UI was changed due to the addition of new effects, and Molyneux states that "There just wasn't enough space on screen: at one point we had icons which were four pixels by eight wide - how do you distinguish a whirlpool from a whirlwind in that?" As a result, effects were split into five categories - earth, air, fire, water, and people, albeit Molyneux expresses his reluctance in doing so, stating that "That isn't my favorite option - because when you're playing a game, everything should be fully accessible all the time - but it was the best compromise we could come up with."

To maintain a user-friendly UI despite the amount of icons, The One states that "the team is optimising the distance between the icons so that the most used should be closest to the edge of the screen and it should take the smallest amount of time possible to move from item to item." Molyneux cites work on previous Bullfrog titles as learning experiences that contribute to design choices made in Populous II, stating that "Flood taught us how to draw quickly onto the screen ... Powermonger taught us about databases and design and Populous taught us how to program". The initial graphics for Populous II were created by Molyneux, but was then taken over by graphic artists Gary Carr and Paul McLoughlin. Populous II's backgrounds and sprites were created using DPaint 3 and a custom-built graphic editor created by Glenn Corpes - this custom editor allows the artists to test sprites in the game without the need to continually change the game's code. Populous II's music and sound effects were added late in development - initially Charles Callet, the composer for Powermonger was to do the soundtrack, but this was changed due to 'unreliability', and another factor in the delay was Molyneux's self-professed 'perfectionism'; he states that "We want the music and sound effects to be a really big part of the game. I think that, in general, game music is underplayed ... What we're going to try to do with the in-game music for Populous II is make it more informative, so as the action starts speeding up, the music starts changing tempo with it." At this stage in development, Populous II was stated to run at 17 frames per second, with Molyneux purporting that "a game that would have taken 20 minutes in the original would now take something like 20 seconds! We'll have to slow it down."

Reception
Computer Gaming World in 1992 stated that "Populous II is an elaborate program that is instantly absorbing and addictive", and later named it one of the year's best strategy games. In a 1993 survey of pre 20th-century strategy games the magazine gave the game three-plus stars out of five. Super Gamer gave the SNES version an overall score of 82% writing: "An attractive update of the original with a much smoother control system. A huge challenge, although it’s somewhat repetitive." In 1995, Total! ranked the game 85th on its Top 100 SNES Games stating: "A lot like Populous only with a '2' on the end. If you liked Populous then, yes, you’ll love this.


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I tried to add a little more information, I will add some more backround info, and info about the issue tommorow.

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I added some more info to the aftermath section and will continue updating this page.

I corrected a grammatical error in the section titled Kloceks views.

I also added the quotation mark to the title: Klocek's views

Some editing
Did some editing: punctuation, capitalization, grammar, made the links look better, made quotes from the article flow smoother in the text, added one link, removed the picture section (there was no picture linked), and combined both "external links" sections into one. I tried to make sure no URLs actually showed: it looks very ugly. If someone thinks I should add more links from conservative blogs, portraying their perspective or statements, I can. Kitabparast 23:46, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

This is not an encyclopedia article. This is propaganda, and should be either removed, or improved. And putting in things from a conservative blog is just as silly as putting things in from a marxist blog.

Yeah this feels almost like Klocek wrote this himself.

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Yara Yavelberg

Yara Yavelberg  (May 7, 1943 – August 20, 1971) was a Brazilian psychologist and university lecturer, member of the Brazilian resistance movement against the Brazilian military government. She died by apparent suicide in Salvador, Bahia in 1971.

Biography
Yara Yavelberg was born in São Paulo, daughter of David and Eva Yavelberg. She was initially a passive supporter of the resistance movement, but eventually became a member of MR-8. She had a relationship with Carlos Lamarca, a Brazilian Army officer who deserted and became one of the most important leaders of the guerrilla movement that opposed the dictatorship. With the collapse of the guerrilla movement, Yavelberg and Lamarca fled to Bahia.

Homages
University of São Paulo's Psychology Institute paid a homage to Yavelberg, an alumnus of their Psychology School, by naming its academic center the Yara Yavelberg Academic Center.

She was a friend of the former Brazilian president Dilma Rousseff, who paid a tribute to her during the launch of Rousseff's candidacy.

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1821 in architecture

The year 1821 in architecture involved some significant events.

Buildings

 * The Schauspielhaus in Berlin (begun in 1819), designed by Karl Friedrich Schinkel, is completed.
 * The Palais Leuchtenberg in Munich (begun in 1817), designed by Leo von Klenze, is completed.
 * The Haymarket Theatre in London, designed by John Nash, is completed.
 * Prince Ludwig I of Bavaria, wishing to build a monument to German unity and heroism (and the defeat of Napoleon), commissions Leo von Klenze to build a replica of the Parthenon on a bluff overlooking the Danube River near Regensburg, the Walhalla memorial.
 * The Strasbourg Opera House is completed
 * The Maitland Monument in Corfu, designed by George Whitmore, is built.

Awards

 * Grand Prix de Rome, architecture: Guillaume-Abel Blouet

Births

 * January 2 – Napoleon LeBrun, American architect (died 1901)
 * February 4 – Major Rohde Hawkins, English school and church architect (died 1884)
 * February 13 – John Turtle Wood, English architect (died 1890)
 * February 20 – Frigyes Feszl, Hungarian architect (died 1884)
 * April – Thomas Brunner, English-born architect working in New Zealand (died 1874)
 * April 11 – James Campbell Walker, Scottish architect (died 1888)
 * July 4 – A. J. Humbert, English architect patronised by the royal family (died 1877)
 * August 1 – James Gowans, Scottish architect (died 1890)
 * November 26 – Charles Webb, English-born architect working in Victoria (Australia) (died 1898)
 * Giuseppe Bonavia, Maltese architect (died 1885)
 * John Elkington Gill, English architect working in Bath (died 1874)

Deaths

 * March 1 – John Yenn, English architect (born 1750)
 * October 4 – John Rennie the Elder, Scottish-born civil engineer (born 1761)

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Alternative High School

Alternative High School (AHS) is a public senior high (secondary) school in Calgary, Alberta, Canada; which teaches grades 10 through 12. AHS is currently located at the Clinton Ford Centre, which was home to the former Clinton Ford Elementary School.

AHS was launched, independent of the board, in September 1974 by a parents group. It reflected many of the "alternative education" ideas that were popular at the time. The early philosophy the school borrowed from the ideas of A. S. Neill, who founded Summerhill School. This involved supporting the freedom of children, and opposing the traditional structure and control of most schools. Although, AHS was never meant to be a copy of Summerhill.

In 1975 AHS came under the control of the Calgary Board of Education (CBE).

Special programs
The school helps operate an off-campus class at the Alberta Adolescent Recovery Centre. Two teachers from the school help students progressively get back into the regular school system if they are of school age after they reach Level Three of treatment.

Notable alumna

 * Feist, musician (1994)

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Copyright
I removed the text of this poem, as it is surely in copyright. If someone can write a summary or some critical comments about the poem, that would be good. Redlentil 06:39, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Wrong title
The correct title of this song (or poem, as you like it) is "Temp' d' caniquinha". The words "Um vez Sanvcent' era sáb'" are only the first verse of the song.

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Chinkara

The chinkara (Gazella bennettii), also known as the Indian gazelle, is a gazelle species native to India, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Taxonomy
The following six subspecies are considered valid:
 * Deccan chinkara (G. b. bennettii) (Sykes 1831) – ranges from South India, from the Ganges Valley (east to the borders of West Bengal) south at least to Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, Deccan Plateau;
 * Gujarat chinkara (G. b. christii) (Blyth, 1842) – ranges from the desert lowlands of Pakistan, western India, Rann of Kutch, Kathiawar, Saurastra region and as far east of Ahmedabad district in Gujarat;
 * Kennion gazelle, eastern jebeer gazelle or Baluchistan gazelle (G. b. fuscifrons) (Blanford, 1873) – occurs in eastern Iran, (southeast and along the Makran coast, Sistan and Baluchistan) southern Afghanistan, Pakistan, Balochistan Province to Sindh and northwestern India, Rajasthan, also the darkest subspecies;
 * Bushehr gazelle (G. b. karamii) (Groves, 1993) – ranges in northeastern Iran, restricted near Bushehr, also the smallest subspecies;
 * Jebeer gazelle, western jebeer gazelle or Shikari gazelle (G. b. shikarii) (Groves, 1993) – Lives in northeastern Iran, north and west-central districts (Touran, west to Tehran and southwest to Shiraz County and beyond), also the palest subspecies;
 * Salt Range gazelle (G. b. salinarum) (Groves, 2003) – ranges in Pakistan, Punjab region and east as far as Delhi, Indian Punjab, Haryana in northwest India, salt range;

Characteristics
It stands at 65 cm tall and weighs about 23 kg. It has a reddish-buff summer coat with smooth, glossy fur. In winter, the white belly and throat fur is in greater contrast. The sides of the face have dark chestnut stripes from the corner of the eye to the muzzle, bordered by white stripes. Its horns reach over 39 cm.

Distribution and habitat
Chinkara live in arid plains and hills, deserts, dry scrub and light forests. They inhabit more than 80 protected areas in India. In Pakistan, they range up to elevations of 1500 m. In Iran, their largest population is the Kavir National Park.

In 2001, the Indian chinkara population was estimated at 100,000 with 80,000 living in the Thar Desert. The population in Pakistan is scattered, and has been severely reduced by hunting. Also in Iran, the population is fragmented. In Afghanistan, chinkaras are probably very rare.

Ecology
Chinkaras are shy and avoid human habitation. They can go without water for long periods and can get sufficient fluids from plants and dew droplets that get deposited on the plant surface in the night. Although most are seen alone, they can sometimes be spotted in groups of up to four animals.

Chinkaras are preyed upon by Indian leopards, Bengal tigers, Asiatic lions and dholes. The chinkara was a common prey of the Asiatic cheetah in India alongside blackbucks. Outside protected areas they may be attacked by pariah dogs, and both Indian wolves and golden jackals are also known to hunt them.

Conservation
The chinkara occurs in over 80 protected areas in India. In January 2016, the Karnataka government issued a notification to establish a sanctuary especially for chinkara in the Yadahalli village in the Bagalkot district of the state. This region shelters a major population of chinkara. The Karnataka Government also notified the Bukkapatna Chinkara Wildlife Sanctuary in Tumakuru district in May 2019. The chinkara is protected in that's distribution areas of Iran and five of Pakistan.

Threats
The chinkara is threatened by extensive hunting for meat and trophies in Afghanistan, Iran and Pakistan. Other threats include habitat loss due to agricultural and industrial expansion. The status in these countries is unclear. Around 1,300 individuals occur in Iran. However, the situation in India is not so grim; in 2001, populations were estimated at over one million in the country, of which nearly 80,000 occur in the Thar desert, with a stable population trend. It has been listed as a species of least concern on the IUCN Red List.

In 1993, a controversy erupted when the Gujarat government issued a decree to denotify the Narayan Sarovar Sanctuary, that contains a small population of chinkara, to allow mining of lignite, limestone, bentonite and bauxite inside the sanctuary. This was, however, rejected by the Gujarat High Court, and the sanctuary was restored to its earlier limits.

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Article rating
Regarding SilentC's comments here, I do think this article is better than B class. The only thing missing in it is outside references: I can see the article is accurate so I odn't want to add a "needs references" template, but it does need a few notes for where the info comes from. With that added I suspect it would easily pass a Good Article review, and I wonder if it would take much more to get it to Featured Article level... I've never worked on an FA so I don't know.

Looking at WP:WIAGA, all this is missing is number 2. This is very strong in all other points. Erk|Talk -- I like traffic lights -- 04:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

 * The references thing is a constant problem for me. Naturally I have read about butt joints (amongst other more interesting topics) in various places. I know they exist, and have even made few ;). I'm aware of the methods for making them and their potential uses, however this is all from my own memory, which is patently not a reliable source. I have a couple of books on joinery, one a very good one by Gary Ragowski called "The Complete Illustrated Guide to Joinery" which discusses various butt joints, but with a focus on how to make them. I guess what I am saying is that this book verfies (or at least I hope it does) what I have written but it wasn't the direct source of the information. So do I reference it so that we get a tick in the box? SilentC 05:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I know where you are coming from. References are a pain. However, with Wikipedia it is much easier than with "real" academic work: you can use something that just verifies your info as a reference, like your Ragowski book, rather than having to use a source you actually used as a ref. while writing. And if the reference thing is too much of a pain, it's not like you have to do it, you're a volunteer ;) you can always leave it to someone more concerned with that kind of stuff. Erk|Talk -- I like traffic lights -- 05:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Discussion continued at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Woodworking Erk|Talk -- I like traffic lights -- 22:39, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Picture
The article needs a picture of a plain non reenforced butt joint —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.215.69.213 (talk) 08:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Legos
are legos a butt joint? -70.108.32.247 21:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC) NO! - however funny. If you want to get technical they are still mortice and tenon. - the lego mortice though relies on the fact that the tenon is larger than the mortice at specific contact points and that the materials have enough plasticity and tension to accommodate joining without sticking yet increasing static friction to the point where the join is a viable state of "lego cohesion". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.161.87.172 (talk) 07:24, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

“About” template: Woodworking v metalworking
Aside from a quick mention of welding in the intro, this article seems to be entirely about butt joints in woodworking. I therefore added an about template directing readers to the corresponding article on butt welding. Zeligf (talk) 12:51, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dominance training

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was TRANSWIKI. User:Premeditated Chaos 04:43, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Dominance training
How-to article on dog training, transwiki or delete. -- Kjkolb 06:44, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete or Transwiki as per nom. Qaz  ( talk ) 07:27, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Transwiki to Wikibooks where it belongs. - Mgm|(talk) 08:40, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Transwiki, but leave factual stub derived from intro as article. -- Arthur Frayn 11:04, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and transwiki per Arthur Frayn. Kappa 11:38, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Transwiki this to Wikibooks, then rewrite this to encyclopedic style and tone. It could possibly be merged with dog training. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 14:41, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Transwiki and something in dog training if someone wants to add it seems reasonable. This article probably should be used as a DAB since this is only one use of the title.  There is also a version for horses and it is used by the Air Force.  Vegaswikian 05:49, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Barlaston

Barlaston is a village and civil parish in the borough of Stafford in the county of Staffordshire, England. It is roughly halfway between the city of Stoke-on-Trent and the small town of Stone. According to the 2001 census the population of the parish was 2,659, rising at the 2011 Census to 2,858.

St John's Church
The old parish church of Saint John is sited on the edge of the Wedgwood estate. It was built to the design of Charles Lynam in 1886-8, retaining the west tower from the original medieval building, with the subsequent addition of a vestry in 1969. In 1981 the Grade II listed building had to be closed owing to mining subsidence and a temporary building next to the church took its place until the new church was built on Green Lane.

Barlaston Hall
Barlaston Hall c. 1756 by Sir Robert Taylor (architect) was at one time a Wedgwood family home. The Grade I listed Hall has been restored after damage from subsidence.

Wedgwood
Wedgwood moved their pottery manufacturing business from Etruria, Staffordshire to a large modern factory in a new village in the north of the parish. The factory was planned in 1936 and built in 1938-40 to the designs of Keith Murray who was also a designer of Wedgwood pottery. The factory has a tourist visitor centre containing the Wedgwood Museum, with its own car-parks and a bus station.

Wedgwood railway station was opened for the factory in 1940 and is currently served by rail replacement bus (D&G Buses Service 14) on which all valid railway tickets and passes are accepted.

Transport & local amenities
Close by the village are: the A34 road; the River Trent; the Trent and Mersey Canal; a route of National Cycle Network; and the railway - which all pass west of the village.

Barlaston railway station, opened by the North Staffordshire Railway on 17 April 1848, is now on the Manchester branch of the West Coast Main Line - but inter-city trains do not stop and the local passenger service was taken over by rail replacement bus (First Potteries No 23) in 2014, on which all valid railway tickets and passes are accepted. The campaign for the local train service to be restored is continuing.

D&G Bus services 12 & 14 from Hanley to Stafford via Trentham, Eccleshall and Stone run through Barlaston

Barlaston Golf Club is situated to the south of the town.

Education

 * Barlaston First School
 * 140 years of Barlaston First school
 * The Wedgwood Memorial College in Barlaston is a Workers' Educational Association residential college, and also serves as the headquarters of the Esperanto Association of Britain.

Environment
Barlaston and Rough Close Common covers some 50 acres (20 ha) between Barlaston and Blythe Bridge and is a designated local nature reserve.

Downs Banks is located a little to the south-east of Barlaston. It is owned and managed by the National Trust and is also known as 'Barlaston Downs'.

Parish council
Barlaston Parish Council is made up of eleven elected members who serve the community for a period of four years.

Election history
Barlaston Parish Council is made up of up of 11 councillors elected from three wards. The last elections were in 2019, and resulted in the election of 11 Independent councillors.

2019 election
The 2019 Barlaston Parish Council elections an uncontested election occurred in which all 11 seats were filled by independents. This was held alongside the Neighbourhood Plan Referendum on 7 May 2019.

Neighbourhood plan referendum
Following the referendum which took place on 2 May 2019, Barlaston residents voted to adopt the neighborhood plan which will now be consulted upon in future planning applications. This also allows for the parish in order to shape the future development of the area.

Notable people

 * Francis Wedgwood (1800 – 1888 in Barlaston) a grandson of the English potter Josiah Wedgwood
 * Edward Proctor (1870 in Barlaston – 1944) an English footballer who played for Stoke & Port Vale
 * Josiah Wedgwood, 1st Baron Wedgwood DSO, PC, DL (1872 in Barlaston – 1943) Josiah Wedgwood IV a British Liberal and Labour politician, the great-great-grandson of Josiah Wedgwood, MP for Newcastle-under-Lyme 1906-1942.
 * Felix Wedgwood (1877 in The Upper House, Barlaston – 1917) an English author, mountaineer and soldier who died on active service in WWI
 * Horace Barks OBE (1895-1983) Lord Mayor of Stoke-on-Trent in 1951–2, cultural interests were Esperanto and the writer Arnold Bennett.
 * Harry Davies (1904–1975) an English footballer, played over 400 games for Stoke City & Port Vale, subsequently owner and landlord of the Plume of Feathers

Nearby places

 * Blythe Bridge
 * Downs Banks
 * Longton
 * Meaford
 * Meir
 * Oulton
 * Tittensor
 * Trentham

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Kaiteng316 is an Internet user known in Pantip.com community(arguably the most popular Thai Internet forum) as DEIZEL, also known as GanJan and Rocky Iwata. I was born and grew up in Bangkok, Thailand, and now live in a city north of Toronto, Canada. I have a variety of interests such as:
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