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Coin years
"In 1952, aluminium 25 pul and nickel-clad-steel 50 pul were introduced, followed by aluminium 2 and 5 Afghani in 1958 and nickel-clad-steel 1, 2 and 5 Afghani in 1963" ... 1963 is not supported by any information I can find. http://worldcoingallery.com/countries/Afghan.php shows an issue of 1, 2, and 5 Afghani in 1961. Many other sources show a number of coins with a date of 1961 (either SH 1340 on the 1 and 2, or AH 1381 on the 5). I'm changing the date and citing a numismatic source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcl (talk • contribs) 14:17, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Afghani sign
Article should probably address that the Afghani gov't and bank use Af and Afs as the currency symbol in English and that even in Arabic the current unicode symbol is off. — LlywelynII  02:47, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

pictures of new coins
I've heard a lot about the coins being issued but have seen none? Enlil Ninlil 06:07, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

BAnknote
Is there a 10,000 Afghani Banknote? Enlil Ninlil 05:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. There was a 10,000 "old" afghani note, which is equal to 10 current afghanis. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 18:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Name/ Moving page
Why the article is named as "Afghan afghani"? There is only one currency in the world which is named as "afghani", there is no need to put an "Afghan" before it. It is not like dollar, franc, rupees or other currencies. I suggest to rename the article to the old name as afghani (currency).-Ariana310 08:38, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Please take a look at WikiProject Numismatics/Style where the reasons for this convention are explained. Dove1950 19:55, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

1925 or 1927
Our favourite website references ( and ) both give the date 1927 for the introduction of the afghani but the coins were clearly introduced in 1925, which is why I've put 1925 in the article. If 1927 is correct, an explanation of this apparent contradiction is needed. Dove1950 22:26, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Why do you say the coins were "clearly" introduced in 1925? The first coins were minted in 1926 and introduced in 1927, as stated by the two sources. The confusion may result from the fact that the coins were authorized by a law of 14 March 1925 (23 Hoot 1304).

 * I see that the entry says treasury notes were introduced between 1925 and 1928. As far as I can determine, the notes were introduced in 1928, but they were not accepted in the bazaars and soon died a natural death. Unused stocks of these notes were put into circulation in 1929 by Habibullah Ghazi. I don't know to what extent they actually circulated.Sivasova (talk) 23:57, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

What year?
The article says
 * On October 1, Afghan Central Bank governor Anwar Ul-Haq Ahadi announced that Afghans should use their own afghani currency in daily transactions rather than United States dollars or Pakistani rupees.[citation needed] This was in preparation for October 8 when all prices in the Afghan marketplace were to be specified in afghani.

But in what year? I found that the paragraph was added in 2003. But judging from the timeline of currency reform, it could well refer to 2002. So which one is it? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 02:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Afghan vs. Afghanistani
Why the move back to Afghanistani? According to List of adjectival forms of place names and Afghanistan, the demonym is Afghan. Not that I'm saying that wikipedia is necessarily right. Do you have a source? Note that there are 3 Afghan(istani) currencies: this one, Afghan rupee, and Afghan abasi. Whatever is decided, all three should match. Ingrid 01:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've read in an etymological book that the correct adjective for all country and region names ending in "-stan" should be "-stani", that's why I moved it back... — Nightstallion 14:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Could you share the name of the book and the passage in the book that says that? MarsRover 04:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * This is getting out of hand FAST. The English language norm is Afghan or Afghani, not Afghanistani. Kingturtle 05:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

 * This seems to be a symptom of the edit war over at Afghanistan, although I think it is over for the most part. It has been generally agreed upon that the official(per the constitution of Afghanistan I believe, see Afghanistan's talk page) and most common usage is Afghan, but that the others are indeed used occasionally as well. I would support a move to Afghan Afghani for conformity with the other articles and with common usage. A move protection(this might not be needed, but I'm throwing it out there) might also be in order once consensus is established. What do we all think of this?—Cronholm144 18:31, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

 * If you keep vandalising pages by changing the officially regnized word "afghan" to a false recently used by those who lack basic education "afghanistani" word, you're just wasting time and it will be reverted by everyone who notices it. Every Afghan who comes to use this site will change it to Afghan, because they hate to be called afghanistanis, same as if someone calls pakistanis "pakis". Afghan is a very old name which is used in extremely many places, encyclopedias, books, movies, media, websites.........you name it! You will not be able to find one single official place that uses afghanistani, so why are you still not convinced? This only means you are vandals, want to create distrubances here. And then you have some who comes and use a public editable site as their reference. I'm like what's wrong with this dude? hasn't he or she ever went to school to study basic things. My point is DO NOT EVER DEPEND ON ANY SOURCE THAT CAN BE CHANGED BY JUST ANYONE, that's purely unreliable.--Hurooz (talk) 14:25, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Who is the "you" that you are referring to? I agree that the article should be moved to Afghan afghani, and I think the consensus established over at Afghanistan supports this change. There is no reason to insult your fellow editors. We are all trying to do the right thing here and implying that anyone who disagrees with you is a vandal is an egregious violation of WP:AGF. I am going to wait a day or so, then change it if there is no objection. —Cronholm144 01:59, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Woah, I just realized that Afghan rupee and Afghan abasi are both redirects now, so I will hold off on any changes until I figure out what is going on. —Cronholm144 02:03, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

 * The word "you" applies to everyone who read or edit this talk page so you (Cronholm144) should not feel guilty as if I was pointing at you. There are for a fact those who are trying to make the word afghanistani legalized here and be applied everywhere or change the correct word Afghan to afghanistani everywhere they come across. I will be working to revert all their vandalism. Anyway, somebody asked me on my talk page to provide proof to everything I said in this talk page here. Please check Talk:Afghanistan, links to CIA factbook and Afghan constitution are written there. If you need to check more sources you can do this on your own, it shouldn't be difficult unless it is?--Hurooz (talk) 15:10, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Latest news Article 33 of Da Afghanistan Bank Law states that "the currency of Afghanistan Unit is Afghani, the symbol of which shall be " _Af_."... http://www.centralbank.gov.af/ (This is Central Bank of Afghanistan)--Hurooz (talk) 18:35, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

(undent)Ok I have asked Nightstallion(who made the change) to comment and he has decided to let the people conversing here and over at Afghanistan handle it. As such, I will make the change to Afghan afghani, Afghan rupee, and Afghan abasi in one days time if there are no more comments. —Cronholm144 00:06, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

In the past
100 puls = 1 Afghani Böri (talk) 11:28, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

 * 12 Shahi = 6 Sanar = 3 Abasi = 2 Krans = 1 Rupee Kabuli (before 1921)
 * 60 Paisas = 1 Rupee (before 1927) Böri (talk) 09:51, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Case
Shouldn't "afghani" be lower case? Axl ¤  [Talk]  14:21, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

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If they are merged, which name should be used? --ThrashedParanoid 01:49, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Son
The Cuba article has the son replacing Machado and then being replaced by Batista. This says Machado replaced him. --Beardo 06:58, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

This "personal" portion of the article was confusing people. The revolutionary hero de Cespedes who died in 1874 was named President during a revolutionary Cuba titled "President of the Republic of Cuba at Arms". The confusion at least to me was because a son with his name also was named President of Cuba in 1933. So if you didn't have prior knowledge you could easily get confused. Look at the previous talk entry. That reader was confused. I edited the entry to differentiate the two President positions and better document.

different birth dates
At the top of the article it gives his date of birth as 1810. Later, in the vital statistics and life summary section, it is given as 1819. Which is correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PaleHorse67 (talk • contribs) 11:33, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Correction: contradictory birth date is in early life section. PaleHorse67 (talk) 11:36, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Bill Callahan (musician)

Discussion
Does anyone know the official birthplace of Bill Callahan (also known as SMOG) and how old he is? age birthplace old callahan smog Lucasrangit 06:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

 * all interviews i've read so far confirmed Silver Spring, Maryland as birthplace.Wiesengrund 11:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

In a book on Catpower: A Good Woman by Elizabeth Goodman, he was born in June. Lemon Pickets (talk) 09:33, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

This is the best-written article I've seen on Wikipedia today. Nice work. I'm going to try and ruin in shortly. (unsigned comment)

is it really relevant who he's dating, within the first few lines of his biography!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.201.223.181 (talk) 19:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Contributions to Other songs
There is a Loose Fur song (answers to your questions) on the album "born again in the USA" that sounds like it is Bill Callahan singing. Can anybody confirm or deny this?chiefhoser 12:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

It is Jim O'Rourke singing. Loose Fur consists only of O'Rourke, Glenn Kotche, and Jeff Tweedy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.178.96.62 (talk) 22:05, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Image use in discographies
This band article included album covers in its discography. These have had to be removed. Please see #1 under "unaccepable images" and WP:Albums. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:49, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

(Smog)
Is there any evidence that the parentheses are more than a optical gimmick? --79.223.0.161 (talk) 14:59, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Callahan admires Jandek?
These sources indicate othewise:

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http://www.citypages.com/photoGallery/index/1922126/0/ "I don't care about Jandek." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.99.60.98 (talk) 11:37, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Personal life
Could somebody please cite reference http://www.uncut.co.uk/bill-callahan/bill-callahan-album-by-album-feature after Joanna Newsom's name in Personal Life? It keeps giving me incorrect number referencing. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.121.144.31 (talk) 01:18, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

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Massacre of Tranent

The Massacre of Tranent was an event which took place on 29 August 1797 in the town of Tranent, Scotland.

Proclamation
On 28 August 1797, a proclamation was drawn up by local residents in Tranent to object to the Scottish Militia Act of 1797, which introduced conscription in Scotland to bolster the ranks of the militia by 6,000 men. The proclamation comprised four clauses:-

 * 1) We declare that we unanimously disapprove of the late Act of Parliament for raising 6000 militiamen in Scotland.
 * 2) We declare that we will assist each other in endeavouring to repeal the said Act.
 * 3) We declare that we are peaceably disposed; and should you, in endeavouring to execute the said Act, urge us to adopt coercive measures, we must look upon you to be the aggressors, and as responsible to the nation for all the consequences that may follow.
 * 4) Although we may be overpowered in effecting the said resolution, and dragged from our parents, friends, and employment, to be made soldiers of, you can infer from this what trust can be reposed in us if ever we are called upon to disperse our fellow-countrymen, or to oppose a foreign foe.

Encouragement
This measure may have been encouraged or incited by the United Scotsmen, a secret society spread throughout Scotland who were believed to be intent on insurgence and the setting up of a Scottish government under Muir of Huntershill. It is believed they had been involved in similar protests elsewhere over the 1797 Militia Act.

Day of the incident
The following day, 29 August, the proclamation was handed to Major Wight, the commanding officer of the recruitment squad; it was initially ignored. Later, when a contingent from the local colliery communities, led by 'Jackie' (Joan) Crookston confronted the troops, their response was swift and bloody. Several of the protesters, including Crookston, were shot dead out of hand.

The protesters fled from the centre of the small town into the countryside, pursued by the Cinque Port Light Dragoons, who are reported to have cut down people indiscriminately, caring little whether they were involved in the protest or not. Casualty estimates range from around a dozen to twenty or more men, women and children dead, with more injured.

After the slaughter the troopers are alleged to have carried out rapes and pillage in the small town.

Reactions
The Light Dragoons' overall commanding officer was then Colonel Viscount Hawkesbury, (later 2nd Earl of Liverpool and a future Prime Minister) who was not present. It was reported that "His lordship was blamed for remaining at Haddington, as his presence might have prevented the outrages of the soldiery."

Memorial
A statue by sculptor David Annand, of Jackie Crookston and one of the children, was unveiled in Tranent centre in 1995.

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Found. More info should come in the following days. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 11:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Tögrög
Should we move this article to Mongolian tögrög. It seems to be the accepted transliteration of тɵгрɵг. Dove1950 21:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Tögrög would indeed be the correct transliteration according to WP:MON. On the other hand, Tugrug might be the established english name in banking circles. If so (I really have no idea), then it would take precedence over the transliteration. --Latebird 22:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with Dove. — Nightst a  llion  (?) 15:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

 * The references I have are the Standard Catalogs, both published by Krause, which use "tugrik", and "tughrik" from . I can't see where they got the "ik" from. I'm worried I'm going to get accused of "original research" again (not that I'm bothered but it wastes time), so I thought I'd better do a little concensus building first. Let's move! Dove1950 22:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Back to Tugrik?

 * This move rides roughshod not only over Wikipedia guidelines (which mandate using the normal English name -- a Google search reveals that 'tugrik' is overwhelmingly the most common term for this currency in English), but also over Dove1950's own sources, the Standard Catalogues!

 * Dove1950's surmise that he 'can't see where they got the "ik" from' is almost worse than original research, and certainly doesn't justify changing over to his favoured choice -- a direct transliteration of the Mongolian. Enforcing your own transliteration over the most common English name and the name used in specialist sources is as close to "original research" as you can get!

 * Bathrobe (talk) 12:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Besides the personal attacks, what specificly are your arguments? Chosing a spelling is hardly "original research", it's simply a decision to make. Apparently the printed sources offer several variants, so which one of them is the "most common"? And as I'm sure you know, Google search results are mostly irrelevant, because it is impossible to really restrict them to English language sources. So what new information do you have available, that the three of us weren't aware of a year ago? --Latebird (talk) 18:19, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Let's move it to "Tögürig"! Yaan (talk) 18:19, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Ok, I've removed comments that could be construed as a "personal attack". I was essentially criticising Dove1950 for making the move without proper grounds.

 * You admit yourself that the established English name "might" take precedence over a transliteration.
 * Dove1950 himself noted that the Standard Catalogs use "tugrik".
 * A Google search on "Mongolian tugrik" yields 4,170,000 results. "Mongolian tögrög" yields 2,210. Please tell me of another language that is likely to have the term "Mongolian tugrik".
 * Dove1950 has been using the argument that "only the name printed on the note is valid". This criterion has already been overturned at the Numismatics project.
 * The point that Dove1950 himself couldn't see where they got the "ik" from is not a valid reason for making such a move.

 * No, deciding on a name is not "original research". But the reasons for doing so smack of original research. And overturning the established convention on usage of accepted English terms is in violation of Wikipedia guidelines.

 * Bathrobe (talk) 01:33, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

 * It's becoming a habit with Bathrobe to indulge in personal attacks. I've asked him/her to desist. I see it's not got through just yet. To deal with the substance of Bathrobe's comments, I suspect that s/he has missed the fact that the name is written on the money in two non-Latin scripts. Consequently, we need a transliteration. Tögrög is based on WP:MON. Complaints should probably be posted there. Dove1950 (talk) 20:27, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I had a look at WP:MON. It said: "When something has a conventional name in English, use that name instead of transliterating."

 * Bathrobe (talk) 01:43, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Incidentally, I looked at a thousand tugrik note (not "thousand tugriks note") from my wallet, and it has three expressions in Cyrillic: МОНГОЛ УЛС, МОНГОЛБАНК, and ТѲГРѲГ. If you want the first on English-language Wikipedia, you look up "Mongolia". For the second you go to "Bank of Mongolia" ("Mongolbank" is a redirect). Are these also in violation of WP:MON?
 * Bathrobe (talk) 03:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

That leaves us with the task to reliably determine the most common use in recent literature. In WikiProject Numismatics/Style (which is not really a policy/guideline, but just a recommendation), it says:
 * Use the term for the currency that is most commonly used by standard English language sources. Such sources include encyclopedias, media of record, academic literature, government publications, and numismatic catalogues. English language descriptions of the currency by the issuing authority, as well as usage of English names on the currency itself, should also be considered.

That's quite a variety of sources that might come into play, and Google search results aren't mentioned. However, Google scholar allows to search a representative section of academic literature. Searching all documents, Tugrik wins, but in recent works, use of the two spellings is almost equally balanced. This may be similar or different in other types of publications, so we'll probably have to do a little more research before we can draw any meaningful conclusions. (Btw: There are also geographic names like Tögrögiin shiree, which may appear in searches in both spelling variants, and need to be filtered out). --Latebird (talk) 05:29, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I have three points here:

 * According to Dove1950, numismatic catalogues use 'tugrik'.
 * Britannica online yields only 'tugrik'. There are no hits for 'tögrög'.
 * On the other hand, the Bank of Mongolia website uses 'togrog'.

 * Bathrobe (talk) 05:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Even more than Ulan Bator, tugrik is still English usage and WP:UE, current currency guidelines, and WP:MON call for using English. Even Mongolia itself has used this spelling as can be seen at Image:Stamp Mongolia 1932 1t.jpg.  But, if there is insistance on going against these, tögrög, not togrog, should be used. —   AjaxSmack   05:36, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

 * A postage stamp from 1932 to illustrate "common English use" of today? Really? --Latebird (talk) 07:44, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

 * It was the last Mongolian stamp to have any currency denomination in a Latin alphabet. I noted that "Mongolia itself has used this spelling," not that it necessarily still does.  My opinion on the move is based on numismatic usage also reflected in general literature that has been presented here. —   AjaxSmack   19:24, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I think the 2,000:1 Google result indicates fairly conclusively that "tugrik" is still normal English usage. I'm not sure how you can so adamantly stand by "Ulan Bator" (the old spelling) in one place while so easily accepting "tögrög" (the new spelling) at another. At the debate on Ulaanbaatar, it's pointed out that "Ulaanbaatar" outnumbers "Ulan Bator" on Google scholar searches of recent publications, but this is not enough to swing the vote. On the other hand, despite the fact that your own search on "tögrög" and "tugrik" only indicates that they are equal in more recent publications, you are insisting that this is good enough to give preference to "tögrög" over "tugrik". I'm a little confused here.
 * Bathrobe (talk) 08:14, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

 * You are confused because you assume that I have made up my mind in either case, which I haven't. The only thing that I "adamantly" do is ask for solid evidence. There is also no inherent connection between the two rename requests, each one will have to be looked at on its own merits. --Latebird (talk) 09:35, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

It is almost evident that "ik" is from the Russian spelling. This is the same case as Ulanbator. Temur (talk) 11:47, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

 * No, it's not almost or anywhere close to evident that it has anything to do with Russian (which I assume is some kind of slur). According to the Classical Mongolian script still printed on all of Mongolia's money, tögrög is ᠲᠥᠬᠦᠷᠢᠬ (tögürik) in Classical which would have been the basis of transliterations before 1941.  None of this matters though.  If English called it a rupee, borrowed from the Nepalese, it's rupee in English. —   AjaxSmack   22:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

 * The Russian and English spellings are consistent with each other, so there is a very good chance one borrowed from the other, and if this is true there is a very good chance that English borrowed from Russian. Temur (talk) 23:33, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

 * There's no reason to assume a slur. Most Mongolian words that are known in a different form in the west have come here in that form through Russian. Also, there is no /k/ in modern Mongolian words, no matter how certain letters of the traditional Mongolian script may have been pronounced in historical times. In the 20th century and today, a more appropriate transcription from the traditional script as eg found on this banknote would be "tögrig". To better reflect the vowel harmony in the actual pronounciation, the cyrillic script has turned that into "tögrög" --Latebird (talk) 01:11, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * as hinted at before, it is tögürig (or tögörig of course). the vowels after these 'g' and 'kh' letters are often hard to spot, but this case is quite clear. Yaan (talk) 12:43, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

This question just seems to have fallen asleep without a conclusion. It looks like the spelling "Tugrik" is indeed still very common. However, I'd like to see more specific references for the numismatic catalogs. If those give us confirmation, then I'd vote for renaming back until English language use changes significantly. --Latebird (talk) 05:54, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Tugrik is indeed Russian. It does carry a certain sense of 'crap currency' in slang, but it is also used humourously in conversation to designate the RUSSIAN ROUBLE (or any other currency, for that matter). Due to the popularity of the term and the vastly larger number of Russian speakers vs. Mongolian speakers, the millions of search results people have been getting for 'tugrik' have little or nothing to do with Mongolia or its currency. Aadieu (talk) 01:57, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

confusing sentence
Möngö coins are not in circulation as currency any longer, as their value is fractions of one tögrög.

I know what the author is trying to say here, but as written, it doesn't say what was intended!

Möngö coins were always worth fractions of one tögrög.

The point that should be made is that 1 tögrög now has insufficient purchasing power to be of any practical use, and that as such the möngö is effectively valueless.

Mayalld 11:50, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou
Thankyou for making this page. It's a realy big help with my project.(keep up the good work)68.205.188.68 17:17, 14 October 2007 (UTC)Michael

Purchasing power
This section is not cited by any references. Is there anyone here that can confirm these prices for food/lodging? It seems too cheap to me...but then I have never been there. Sarangburung (talk) 21:41, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

 * In summer, a single Huushuur was still considerably cheaper than 700 T, I think. On the other hand, bus fares have recently been raised to 400 T for a normal bus, IIRC. I have not slept in tourist hostels for several years (back then, we paid only 2 USD per night), but 10,000 is about what you pay for a small 4-bed ger in a simple ger camp (no shower/pit toilet) in the countryside. Yaan (talk) 14:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

How is "tögrög" pronounced?
That doesn't exactly seem obvious to me. 24.214.230.66 (talk) 19:38, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Төгрөг - 圖格里克!!!!
MNT is not China's currency. Why write Chinese here! Hoshi.sasori (talk) 04:17, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

In the past
100 Mung = 1 Tugrig Böri (talk) 13:51, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Tea leaves?
I heard that in the 18th Century they used tea leaves as currency in Mongolia. Is this true? If so, shouldn't there be some mention of this on this page or maybe the page on the Mongolian dollar? VenomousConcept (talk) 22:29, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

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Merrijig

Merrijig is a town in North-East Victoria, Australia, located between Mount Buller and Mansfield. At the, Merrijig and the surrounding area had a population of 721.

The first Merrijig Post Office opened on 4 October 1866 and was replaced by Boggy Creek in 1867. Another Merrijig Post Office opened on 1 April 1866 (known as Delatite from 1872 until 1924) and closed in 1970.

A second placename in Victoria named "Merrijig" exists in East Gippsland, about 10 kilometres north of Lindenow.

Merrijig is an Aboriginal word that may mean "good, well done". The word 'merri' appears in numerous other Victorian Aboriginal place names. Most other nearby area names derived from Indigenous Elders (& relatives) names, and end in the suffix “ite”; for example, Delatite, Booralite & Beolite. The feature film The Man from Snowy River was shot in Merrijig. It is also the location of Nevil Shute's novel The Far Country.

Merrijig is also home to Timbertop, a campus of Geelong Grammar School at the foot of Mount Timbertop.

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Talk:Tajikistani somoni

Samani is correct
Currency of Tajikistan is Samani and this word is related to Samanid Empire. برسام (talk) 20:00, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Sodium hydride

 * It is best to not consider sodium hydride as toxic, as while it is very corrosive to wet human tissues other than its corrosive effect it is not able to damage a human.

What does that mean? It's not toxic, even though it will destroy any tissue that comes in contact with it? Twilight Realm 01:52, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Solubility of NaH
NaH - it is not soluble, I am pretty sure. There are no sources of naked H- in organic solvents. Lots of students think that it is, but they are fooled by the fact that NaH will deprotonate solvents to give a bases that behave equivalently to NaH. Research chemists would crave a soluble form of real H-, uncluttered with BH3, AlH3. I would love to be wrong on this one! --Smokefoot 02:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Why can't it be soluble in water? If we look at alkaline earth metals we can see their hydrides, they react with water and form hydroxide and release hydrogen gas. 42.111.123.14 (talk) 13:49, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

6938 citations and counting as of January, 2017
According to Chemical Abstracts, nearly 7000 papers, patents, and reports describe NaH. We probably are not going to cite even 1% of these. --Smokefoot (talk) 22:52, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Turkmenistani manat

Move to Turkmenistani manat
Since currencies of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan have an I at the end (Kazakhstani, Kyrgyzstani, Tajikistani, Uzbekistani) why doesn't Turkmenistan's manat have an I at the end of Turkmenistan? Barracuda41 (talk) 02:10, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 30 April 2021

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move. (closed by non-admin page mover)   SITH   (talk)   23:57, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Turkmenistan manat → Turkmenistani manat – Making in line with Kazakhstani tenge, Kyrgyzstani som, Uzbekistani soʻm and Tajikistani somoni. This will revert the move that was done for the wrong reason 11 years ago. The adjective Turkmenistani is NOT made up, in my opinion. What do you think?  Key a com  (💬 | 🖊) 10:18, 30 April 2021 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support for consistency. J I P  | Talk 11:35, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

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What about the Ablative of Agent? Bayerischermann 01:53, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Finnish examples
The "lähteä kalalta/maidolta" expressions given for the Finnish examples sound somewhat dubious. You might say "lähteä kalasta" (elative, literally "go out of the fish") to mean "quit fishing". "Lähteä kalalta" sounds like you have been standing on the top of a fish and depart. With regard to drinks, ablative is more commonly used for drinks that you drink in a social context, ie. "lähteä kaljalta" (to leave from (drinking) beer, often to leave a bar) or "lähteä kahvilta" (to leave from (drinking) coffee, often to leave a cafe). Its use for drinks in general is in my opinion rare, particularly if the drinker is a person. You might say "lähteä maidolta" if you have been visiting someone's home for the purpose of drinking a glass of milk while socializing, or of a cat that departs from its platter of milk. Vuori 12:22, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

ablative in english?
english has, albeit rather archaic, some ablative too, n'est-ce pas? whence = from where also some dative. :)

whither = to where

opinions?

 * I think that's worthy of discussion in the article. I know it's been a little obnoxious for me not seeing many decent English examples of these grammatical cases in the English bloody articles, which for someone speaking English natively, who would, incidentally, be more likely to read the English translation of this page, would be far more accessible than (cough) Finnish and Turkish.  So I'm all for it. Dextrose (talk) 06:18, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

 * These are not cases. And where is not a noun, adjective or pronoun, so cannot have cases. Koro Neil (talk) 04:00, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Turkish examples
I'm not a fluent Turkish speaker, but it seems to me that "taşımaktan" ought to be "taşımadan:"
 * taşımak  = infinitive
 * taşıma   = verbal noun
 * -tan/-dan(/-ten/-den) = ablative case suffix, subject to consonant deformation (and vowel harmony)

Thus "taşımaktan" would be the ablative generated from the infinitive, which is a case I'm not sure even exists. Furthermore, taşımadan requires a little bit more explanation, because the use of the ablative here would be in the context of something like "kuvvetlenmeliyim onu tanışmadan önce," "I have to get stronger before I carry it." Essentially here, "tanışmadan önce" is used to express "from before the carrying of...." Another possible use of tanışmadan would be in the conversation,
 * "Kollarım acıyorlar." - "My arms hurt."
 * "Neden?"              - "Why?"
 * "Mobilyayı tanışmadan" - "From carrying furniture."

Tanışmak seems like a poor choice to demonstrate using the ablative case on a verb in any case, but I don't know enough Turkish to be sure of what I'm talking about so I'm not editing the page. Dextrose (talk) 06:18, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I asked my Turkish friend and she said that taşımaktan would indeed be used this way, as in "elim acıyor bunu taşımaktan" my hand hurts from carrying this. She couldn't exactly explain the usage, but "taşımadan önce" is a valid construction whereas "taşımadan" isn't quite valid as "from carrying."  I still say that the example requires more explanation, since it is a somewhat special case of the ablative. Dextrose (talk) 23:12, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

More Turkish
The ablative in Turkish (-den hali or uzaklaşma hali) is expressed through the suffixes -den, -dan, -ten, or -tan. Examples:

Ev - evden House - from/off the house

At - attan Horse - from/off the horse

Taşımak - taşımaktan To carry - from/off carrying

How would "Ateşten Gömlek" be translated? Fire is in the ablative case and shirt is in nominative case. Shirt from the fire? Thanks Mallerd (talk) 19:58, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

The inclusion as to exactly what this case is
Sadly this article, does not cover exactly what the case is used for. As a native English speaker, I can say, I did not understand (after having read the artice) what the case did. I understand the general cases accusative, dative, genative, nominative... But, from reading this article, I am still ignorant as to the meaning of the Ablative case. Regards, -- Île flottɑnte~Floɑting islɑnd   Talk  00:04, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
 * First sentence: "In grammar, ablative case (abbreviated abl) is a grammatical case (a type of noun inflection) in various languages that is used generally to express motion away from something," I would expect that to have been the starting point of the article in its original form. Covers it perfectly, I think.
 * The phrase "inclusion as to" is not native English. Koro Neil (talk) 03:57, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

List of languages that have it
It seems that this case is used in some Indo-European languages (like Latin) but not in others (like Greek). A list might be helpful here. Also, in Latin the ablative is often similar to the dative as regards the word form. Is the ablative a variant of the dative that some languages developed, or is it an old Indo-European phenomenon that was folded into the dative in some languages? Please add any such information you might have. -- 85.179.160.87 (talk) 01:09, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Proto-Indo-European is reconstructed as having a separate ablative case, which merged with other cases (locative and instrumental) in Latin, yes. Although the ablative and dative are still distinct cases in Classical Latin. They're only identical in the plural. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 02:21, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

ENGLISH???
Hello? This is an English article about a subject but has no examples in English? Someone needs to make this an article about English and not every OTHER language on Earth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.238.200.226 (talk) 17:30, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You should read the first paragraph and learn that there is no ablative case in English. — Eru·tuon 04:51, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * No ablatives in greek or german apparently, but they're on the list! Perhaps a seperate section for languages with "ablative constructions" that includes English?203.173.28.77 (talk) 05:28, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

The OP's comments leave something to be desired, but would it be possible to get some French or Latin example sentences and then translate them into English so English speakers have a better understanding of how the case is used? Jplflyer (talk) 22:27, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Ablative in English?
Did English have an ablative case?

In German, words derived from Latin had an ablative case (as in "von dem Nomine" [Nomen], "von der Radice" [Radix], "von dem Corpore" [Corpus]), and grammarians also knew that there are 6 cases in German (nominative, genitive, dative, accusative, vocative, ablative; not just the first four), so for example did Schottel, Antesperg and Gottsched.

In "Thomas Coar: A Grammar of the English Tongue" (1796) 6 cases are mentioned for English, too: nominative, genitive, dative, accusative, vocative, ablative. So, did forms like "the nomen/Nomen" [nom. and acc.], "the nominis/Nominis" [gen., similar to English's "'s"], "to the nomini/Nomini" [dat.], "of the nomine/Nomine" [abl.] exist in English? Was there a real English vocative and ablative (in case of Latin words)? (nomen/Nomen maybe is a bad example as English had the words "name" and "noun" (i.e. substantive or adjective), but there are many other Latin words.) -19:17, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * No, English does not have an ablative case, and today only has nominative, oblique, and perhaps genitive cases in pronouns (he, him, his), not in nouns. English never had an ablative case, despite what Thomas Coar and other grammarians may claim; Old English only had four or five cases: nominative, accusative, genitive, dative, and sometimes instrumental. There were more cases in the earlier ancestor of English, Proto-Indo-European, but PIE is a different language from English. — Eru·tuon 21:24, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Well:
 * (a) Forms like "noun's" and "Peter's" are also considered to be genitives, at least by some. Thus one can say that there are 3 cases: 1. subject case or nominative [case], 2. object case or oblique [case], 3. genitive [case] or possessive [case]. (Some might have doubts as "the book of Peter" also expresses possession, but it's obviously object case, similar to German "das Buch von Peter" which is dative (- resp. ablative in older grammar books, and in case of Latin words this was distinct from dative as it was "von article Latin word in its ablative case")).
 * (b) Something like Latin-English ablatives can be found:
 * "Still others derive it from the Corpore Reticulari." -- Though: the Latin words are in italics (which could indicate that they are viewed as Latin and not as English words), and it's a translation (from German into English)
 * "considerable deductions, you will say, from the 'corpore sano.'" [Abl. of "corpus sanum" (healthy body)] -- Though: the Latin words are in ""
 * "If the mens sana seldom exists apart from the corpore sano, still more rarely is a healthy piety found in such isolation" -- italics again
 * "the nerve endings might take this blackish material from out of the corpore mucoso"
 * But such forms seem to be rare. -02:36, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Objective case only exists in pronouns. Saying nouns have objective case, but there's no case-ending to mark it, is like saying a bald man has hair, even though he's shaved it off, or that a lake has water when it's dried up.

 * Same with the ablative. The cases you quote are just adoption of a Latin grammatical feature into English: using Latin ablative forms after English prepositions that are translations of Latin prepositions that use the ablative (ex, de, ab, all translatable as "from"). And nobody is likely to do that anymore, because very few people learn Latin these days or know what Latin prepositions use the ablative. Besides, ablative is used in many more cases than before the preposition "from", but it would be strange if ablative were used in English in all the places where it's used in Latin: Die irae God will judge the world, with an ablative of time, and Mens sana is better corpore sano, with an ablative of comparison, sound weird and are incomprehensible to a normal English speaker.

 * The possessive  's is a clitic, not an inflectional suffix, because it comes after complex noun phrases: the King of England's crown, not the King's of England crown. I'm not sure if clitics are considered genitives or not. — Eru·tuon 18:21, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

 * What is more is that no Germanic language has an ablative case, nor did Proto-Germanic. That set phrases in Latin borrowed into English use the ablative case of course has nothing to do whatsoever with whether that case exists as a grammatical category in English. Calling the 's possessives genitives is simply an antiquated usage based on the idea that grammatical categories should so far as possible correspond to their closests Latin equivalents. The English 's does not correspond very well in function to the Latin genitive case. The same is the case with those who wish to use nominative and accusative to label the English subjective and objective cases, in spite of the fact that their usage and funcitons are different from the Latin cases (e.g. Objective case covers both the functions of Latin dative, ablative, accusative, and instrumental cases). 172.0.128.110 (talk) 19:21, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

off of
IN American English and some dialects of English elsewhere can be heard "I got off of the bus" NOT "I got off the bus". Is this an example of ablative case usage? Similarly we can find "He took it out of my hand" compared with "He took it out my hand". What form / case / declension is this IF this is not ablative? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.30.115 (talk) 04:56, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

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Frederic Raphael

Frederic Michael Raphael FRSL (born 14 August 1931) is an American-born British novelist, biographer, journalist and Oscar-winning screenwriter, known for writing the screenplays for Darling, Far from the Madding Crowd, Two for the Road, and Stanley Kubrick's last film Eyes Wide Shut. Raphael rose to prominence in the early 1960s with the publication of several acclaimed novels, but most notably with the release of the John Schlesinger film Darling, starring Julie Christie and Dirk Bogarde, a romantic drama set in Swinging London, for which he won the Academy Award for Best Original Screenplay in 1966. Two years later he was nominated again in the same category, this time for his work on Stanley Donen’s Two for the Road, starring Audrey Hepburn and Albert Finney. Since the death of screenwriter D. M. Marshman Jr. in 2015, he is the earliest surviving recipient of the Academy Award for Best Original Screenplay, and the sole surviving recipient of the now retired BAFTA category of Best British Screenplay.

In addition to his work in film and television, he has written over 20 novels, and a number of non-fiction books, including biographies of Lord Byron, W. Somerset Maugham and Flavius Josephus, as well as a memoir of his time working with Stanley Kubrick, entitled Eyes Wide Open.

Early life
Raphael was born in Chicago, to an American Jewish mother from Chicago, Irene Rose (née Mauser) and a British Jewish father, Cederic Michael Raphael, an employee of the Shell Oil Company who had been transferred to the United States from Shell's London office. In 1938, when Raphael was seven, and to his surprise, the family migrated to England and settled in Putney, London. He was educated at Copthorne Preparatory School, Charterhouse School, and St John's College, Cambridge.

Career
Raphael won an Oscar for the screenplay for the movie Darling (1965), and two years later received an Oscar nomination for his screenplay for Two for the Road. He also wrote the screenplay for the 1967 film adaptation of Thomas Hardy's Far From the Madding Crowd directed by John Schlesinger.His articles and book reviews have appeared in a number of newspapers and magazines, including the Los Angeles Times and The Sunday Times. He has published more than twenty novels, the best-known being the semi-autobiographical The Glittering Prizes (1976), which traces the lives of a group of Cambridge University undergraduates in post-war Britain as they move through university and into the wider world. The original six-part BBC television series, from which the book was adapted, won him a Royal Television Society Writer of the Year Award. The sequel, Fame and Fortune, which continues the story to 1979, was adapted in 2007 and broadcast on BBC Radio 4. In 2010, BBC Radio 4 broadcast a further sequel in a series entitled Final Demands, with Tom Conti as Adam Morris, the central character, bringing the story to the late 1990s.

Raphael has published several history books, collections of essays, and translations. He has also written biographies of W. Somerset Maugham and Lord Byron. He was made a Fellow of the Royal Society of Literature in 1964.

In 1999, Raphael published Eyes Wide Open, a memoir of his collaboration with the director Stanley Kubrick on the screenplay of Eyes Wide Shut, Kubrick's final movie. Raphael wrote a detailed account of his working with Kubrick, based on his own journals, but upon its publication the book was publicly criticised by several of the director's friends and family members, among them Christiane Kubrick, Jan Harlan, and Michael Herr, for its alleged unflattering portrayal of him. Referring to an article by Raphael about his book in The New Yorker, Steven Spielberg and Tom Cruise also professed criticism. That year, Penguin Books published a new translation of Arthur Schnitzler's Dream Story, the basis for Eyes Wide Shut, featuring a new introduction by Raphael.

Personal life
He married Sylvia Betty Glatt, known as 'Beetle', on 17 January 1955, and they had three children and nine grandchildren. His daughter, Sarah Raphael, was an English artist known for her portraits. She died in 2001.

Fiction

 * Obbligato (1956)
 * The Earlsdon Way (1958)
 * The Limits of Love (1960)
 * A Wild Surmise (1961)
 * The Graduate Wife (1962)
 * The Trouble with England (1962)
 * Lindmann (1963)
 * Darling (1965) (novelization of his screenplay)
 * Orchestra and Beginners (1967)
 * Like Men Betrayed (1970)
 * Who Were You With Last Night? (1971)
 * April, June and November (1972)
 * Richard's Things (1973)
 * California Time (1975)
 * The Glittering Prizes (1976) (adapted from the TV series)
 * Sleeps Six and other stories (1979) (short story collection)
 * Heaven and Earth (1985)
 * Think of England (1986)
 * After the War (1990)
 * The Hidden Eye (1990)
 * Of Gods and Men (1992)
 * A Double Life (1993)
 * The Latin Lover and Other Stories (1994)
 * Coast to Coast (1998)
 * Fame and Fortune (2007) (sequel to The Glittering Prizes)
 * Final Demands (2010) (sequel to Fame and Fortune)
 * Private Views (2015)

Non-fiction

 * Somerset Maugham and his World (1976)
 * The List of Books: A Library of Over 3000 Works (1981) (with Kenneth McLeish)
 * Byron (1982)
 * The Necessity of Anti-Semitism (1998)
 * Popper: Historicism and Its Poverty (1998)
 * Some Talk of Alexander: A Journey Through Space and Time in the Greek World (2006)
 * Literary Genius: 25 Classic Writers Who Define English & American Literature (2007) One Chapter on William Hazlitt
 * How Stanley Kubrick Met His Waterloo (2011) (for the Wall Street Journal)
 * A Jew Among Romans: The Life and Legacy of Flavius Josephus (2013)
 * Distant Intimacy: A Friendship in the Age of the Internet (2013) (with Joseph Epstein)
 * Where Were We?: The Conversation Continues (2015) (with Joseph Epstein)
 * Anti-Semitism (2015)
 * The World's Game (2024) (ISBN 978-1837933389)

Translations

 * The Serpent Son = Oresteia by Aeschylus (translated with Kenneth McLeish) (1978)
 * The Poems of Catullus (translated with Kenneth McLeish) (1979)

Memoirs

 * Eyes Wide Open: A Memoir of Stanley Kubrick (1999)
 * Personal Terms (2001)
 * The Benefits of Doubt: Essays (2003)
 * A Spoilt Boy: A Memoir of a Childhood (2003)
 * Rough Copy: Personal Terms 2 (2004)
 * Cuts and Bruises: Personal Terms 3 (2006)
 * Ticks and Crosses: Personal Terms 4 (2009)
 * Ifs and Buts: Personal Terms 5 (2011)
 * There and Then: Personal Terms 6 (2013)
 * Going Up: To Cambridge and Beyond - A Writer's Memoir (2015)
 * Against the Stream: Personal Terms 7 (2018)
 * Last Post (2023) (ISBN 978-1800173033)

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User talk:Madison

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Hi, Maddy. That was the canned welcome message; this isn't. It's always good to see new people joining, and I look forward to reading your articles on your favorite books and musicians, as you described. DS 01:54, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

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Hey, Maddy. I was looking through the work of "my" newbies, and I have to say that you're off to an excellent start.

And by the way, since you're also reverting vandalism from anonymous contributors, you might like to know about, , and  , which give progressively sterner warnings against messing up the articles - test4 is the last warning before an admin (like me) blocks them from editing. I left test2 for the guy who messed with your page, for instance. DS 00:29, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Welcome to the counter vandalism unit (cvu) Cool_cat has written a bot and runs it in an irc room on wikipedia-en-vandalism on freenode.

you can use vw instead of test for warning vandals -- ☺ A dam1213☺ Talk+ 15:48, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey, Madsy Wadsy, I haven't seen you for a while!

Your userpage
Is that what you really want to put on there? Nwwaew (Talk Page) (Contribs) (E-mail me) 03:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

 * um, yeah. be nice, ok?  -- M a d i s o n  (Talk) 03:41, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

CVU
Hey, I don't mean to bug you too much but what happened? I haven't logged in for a while and the link on my userpage to CVU is broken! Thanks! --MADISON (talk) 13:07, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Essjay had booted me off the group and started a CVN. Since then I avoided it. Counter-Vandalism Unit is still out there. -- Cat chi? 14:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Hurwitz quaternion

Abuse of notation?
Is this an abuse of notation?
 * $$a,b,c,d \in \mathbb{Z} + \tfrac{1}{2}$$

Or is this a proper expression of adding a number to every member of a set? ᛭ LokiClock (talk) 19:04, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

 * It can be seen as a coset of the integers in the rationals. Charles Matthews (talk) 16:48, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

 * Okay, so the relationship is: Z is a subset of Q, and Z+1/2={n+1/2: n an element of Z} is a coset of Z in Q? ᛭ LokiClock (talk) 17:57, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

 * Yup. Charles Matthews (talk) 21:44, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

 * Thank you very much. ᛭ LokiClock (talk) 15:36, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Proposed merger
There seems no reason for this to be a separate article to Hurwitz quaternion order. Deltahedron (talk) 16:08, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:South Korean won

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I think so have to erase 5￦ and 10￦ didnt use at Korea. Its just on history, so they didnt use 5 and 10￦ 도바 노비니언 123 (talk) 12:11, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Change of main image
Due to the original format of the image, the Bank of Korea logo for the 1000 won note is a pentagram, which is an inaccurate representation of the actual banknotes.

I suggest to change the image to; https://images.creativemarket.com/0.1.0/ps/3140969/910/606/m2/fpnw/wm1/toxwskfgovrz1y4xkbnpl1pyn3grilq6qtcefyaska39jnvcwbzzawbmdlqhdvwq-.jpg?1503240276&s=a7dc26234bbb3f75e941c39d64c8c0eb&fmt=webp which is available for purchase at https://creativemarket.com/iuliia_n/1777647-Different-value-south-korean-currency-bill-and-coins-save-your-money-concept, this is the preferred image as it contains the coins as well.

There is another image, https://eu-browse.startpage.com/av/anon-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.worldatlas.com%2Fr%2Fw1200-h701-c1200x701%2Fupload%2F0a%2Fe5%2F19%2Fshutterstock-175496123.jpg&sp=1692156740T4abc21675e553e8fc5a860f2b34e5720fbd513265291f320d00fb21362187c96 which is available for puchase at https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/south-korean-won-currency-175496123, although this does not contain any coins. 49.180.120.8 (talk) 03:49, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

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Please stop vandalizing wikipedia. Citizen Premier 01:56, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

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Ryan Ramdass

Ryan Ramdass (born 3 July 1983) is a Guyanese cricketer of Indian descent. Ramdass is a right-handed batsman and a right-arm offbreak bowler who occasionally occupies the position of wicketkeeper.

He made his debut for Guyana in a match against Barbados in which he scored a half-century. When Guyana was hit by floods in early 2005, Ramdass' poultry business was affected, but he continued to play for the squad, achieving his career best 144 not out against Barbados.

In 2005, he selected for the full West Indies squad after a good set of results in the recent West Indies A series in Sri Lanka, playing in two matches.

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Talk:Atherton Hall (Penn State)

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I do not believe there is a dining hall in Atherton.
 * There isn't, but there's one right across the street in Simmons. --Spangineer (háblame)  01:58, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

This really is a non-notable article. I'd put it up for VfD but I'm too lazy at the moment. Timbatron 17:32, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

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Myoglobinuria

Myoglobinuria is the presence of myoglobin in the urine, which usually results from rhabdomyolysis or muscle injury. Myoglobin is present in muscle cells as a reserve of oxygen.

Signs and symptoms
Signs and symptoms of myoglobinuria are usually nonspecific and needs some clinical prudence. Therefore, among the possible signs and symptoms to look for would be:

 * Swollen and painful muscles
 * Fever, nausea
 * Delirium (elderly individuals)
 * Myalgia
 * Dark urine
 * Calcium ion loss

Causes
Trauma, vascular problems, malignant hyperthermia, certain drugs and other situations can destroy or damage the muscle, releasing myoglobin to the circulation and thus to the kidneys. Under ideal situations myoglobin will be filtered and excreted with the urine, but if too much myoglobin is released into the circulation or in case of kidney problems, it can occlude the kidneys' filtration system leading to acute tubular necrosis and acute kidney injury.

Other causes of myoglobinuria include:
 * McArdle's disease
 * Phosphofructokinase deficiency
 * Carnitine palmitoyltransferase II deficiency
 * Malignant hyperthermia
 * Polymyositis
 * Lactate dehydrogenase deficiency
 * Adenosine monophosphate deaminase deficiency type 1
 * Thermal or electrical burn
 * Muscular dystrophy

Pathophysiology
Myoglobinuria pathophysiology consists of a series of metabolic actions in which damage to muscle cells affect calcium mechanisms, thereby increasing free ionized calcium in the cytoplasm of the myocytes (concurrently decreasing free ionized calcium in the bloodstream). This, in turn, affects several intracellular enzymes that are calcium-dependent, thereby compromising the cell membrane, which in turn causes the release of myoglobin.

Diagnosis
After centrifuging, the urine of myoglobinuria is red, where the urine of hemoglobinuria after centrifuge is pink to clear.

Treatment
Hospitalization and IV hydration should be the first step in any patient suspected of having myoglobinuria or rhabdomyolysis. The goal is to induce a brisk diuresis to prevent myoglobin precipitation and deposition, which can cause acute kidney injury. Mannitol can be added to assist with diuresis. Adding sodium bicarbonate to the IV fluids will cause alkalinization of the urine, believed to reduce the breakdown of myoglobin into its nephrotoxic metabolites, thus preventing renal damage. Often, IV normal saline is all that is needed to induce diuresis and alkalinize the urine.

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Harrison Woodhull Crosby

Harrison Woodhull Crosby of Jamesburg, New Jersey was the first to can tomatoes commercially in 1847. He worked as the chief gardener at Lafayette College in Pennsylvania, where he commercialized the canned tomato.

Life
Born in Putnam, Connecticut in about 1814, Crosby was a son of Abiel and Mary Crosby, and the husband of Charlotte (Andrews) Crosby. He died in 1892, and was interred at the Fernwood Cemetery in Jamesburg, New Jersey.

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Talk:Brunei dollar

Rename
I will rename this page Brunei ringgit as there was never a Brunei dollarEnlil Ninlil 04:21, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

 * If you do move it, I've no objection, but please make sure that it is clear that the name dollar appears alongside ringitt on all banknotes. The denominations are given in the local language in ringitt and in dollars in English. Dove1950 16:27, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

 * This is the English Wikipedia, so naturally, the title should be in English, not Malay. Ringgit Brunei should be the correct title in Malay.  Brunei ringgit has no meaning in either English or Malay as the correct term in English is the "Brunei Dollar" (unlike the Malaysian currency which is the "Malaysian ringgit" in English and "Ringgit Malaysia" in Malay).  Bruneians have always used the term dollar when talking in the english language to stress the difference between the Bruneian currency and the Malaysian currency and the "at par" with the Singaporean dollar.  Even in normal conversational malay, "duit Brunei" is used to talk about "Brunei money" rather than "ringgit Brunei" so as not to confuse the currency with the Malaysian one, eventhough "Ringgit Brunei" is the correct official Malay term for the currency in the Malay language.  I'm moving this back to Brunei Dollar.  --Novelty (talk) 04:25, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

 * OK, the page already exists, so it can't be moved. I'm gonna request for a move.  See new heading below.  --Novelty (talk) 08:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

✅ - move carried out per below consensus. References, common use in English, and so on all seem to support "Brunei dollar". Neıl ☎  14:05, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Requested Move
Requesting this page be moved back to Brunei dollar. The reasoning are: Proposed changes for the following associated pages: Brunei ringgit to Brunei dollar Coins of the Brunei ringgit to Coins of the Brunei dollar --Novelty (talk) 08:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) This is the English Wikipedia. The correct term for Brunei's currency is the Brunei Dollar in English. Even the abbreviation bears this out with BND.  (However, note that the correct name for the Bruneian currency in the Malay language, which is the official language in Brunei, is the "Ringgit")
 * 2) The words "Brunei Dollar" is clearly printed on the paper notes (e.g. )
 * 3) In the english press and other official sites, the phrase "brunei dollar" is preferred (e.g. Borneo Bulletin, Royal Brunei Airlines, Government of Brunei)
 * 4) The word "ringgit" is seldom used when referring to the Brunei dollar in English. "Ringgit" is usually reserved for the Malaysian currenty.

 * Support. That's what's printed on the bank notes in English but good luck getting past the currency naming conventions which contradict WP:Use English, WP:Common name, and WP:Common Sense. —   AjaxSmack   05:09, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Support. A legitimate, correct English name, clearly supported by the BND symbol.  Gene Nygaard (talk) 15:22, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Ringgit is the local name, used on all coins and banknotes. There's no contradiction between WikiProject_Numismatics/Style and WP:Use English, WP:Common name or WP:Common Sense. It is an additional convention used for very good reasons. Ringgit is as much an English word as dollar (both originating from other languages), it is the common name in Brunei and using the local name, as written on all the money, is common sense. Dove1950 (talk) 20:40, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If ringgit is the local English name, then who defaced the currency with the word "dollar" in English and tricked all of the above sources into using "dollar" ? —   AjaxSmack   23:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, ringgit is the official Malay name. As I mention, it is neither used locally in conversations in either English (where the word dollar is preferred) or Malay (who prefer to use the word 'duit' = money instead).  As a native Bruneian, I've never heard anyone use the word ringgit to refer to the Brunei currency ever in my life. I've never seen the word used to refer to the Brunei currency in the local English press or mass media.  As I linked above, even official government sites use the word dollar for the currency in the English language.  So I have no idea why the falsehood "ringgit is the local name" is being perpetuated because it is not, it's the official Malay name and should go by that title in the Malay and Indonesian wikipedia, but not the English wikipedia.  --Novelty (talk) 00:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Support. Originator --Novelty (talk) 00:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Support per Ajax'z image and Novelty. We should not use "local name" and "what is printed on the currency" as tests in any case; in this case Dollar is printed on the currency and is used by locals, as well as being the English name. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Support. The arguments are plainly clear. We should Use English and Use Common Name. "Brunei ringgit" is neither correct English nor a common name. Besides, the current Numismatics naming convention, which supports the current status quo (ringgit), is undergoing a review to possibly follow WP:UE and WP:UCN instead of contradicting it. --seav (talk) 18:05, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Comments on move
Please vote above and add extra comments below to keep things clear

What is the official language of Brunei? Malay. Therefore, the local name is the Malay name, which is "ringgit". The fact that "dollar" has continued to be used does not mean that the local name is dollar. Dove1950 (talk) 22:45, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no objections to that provided that all other wikipedia currency articles are named according to (one of) the official language of the currency involved for the sake of consistency. In which case, the New Taiwan dollar, for example, should be renamed either as the Xīntáibì or 新臺幣 as the only official language of the RoC in which that particular currency is used is standard Mandarin, ergo, it's local name must be either the Xīntáibì or 新臺幣.  As it is currently, most currencies are named after their English name on wikipedia with the Bruneian currency being one of the few exceptions. --Novelty (talk) 05:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, please try not to confuse Brunei with Malaysia. The statement "The fact that "dollar" has continued to be used does not mean that the local name is dollar." is definately not true.  Are there any official sources by the Brunei currency board or the Brunei Government that the local english name for the currency is not the dollar?  As I have stated above, the official Government of Brunei site uses the word dollar as the currency of the currency on its English website.

 * Across the border in Malaysia, their currency is the malaysian ringgit in both the English and Malay languages (although only Malay is the official language there). Here in Brunei, the local name of the currency is the dollar in English and ringgit in Malay and because of that, the name dollar continues to be used for the currency in English, eventhough the language has no official status.  As I said, this is the English wikipedia and therefore, the correct name for the article should really be its local common name in English which is the Brunei dollar (as opposed to the Malaysian ringgit, which is the local common name for that currency in English).  Please do bear in mind that Brunei is a totally separate country from Malaysia and what may be true for the latter country may not be true for the former.  Just an aside, I've got a question for Dove1950: have you lived in Brunei for any period of time? --Novelty (talk) 05:29, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Don't try reason here. Not only are the numismatic guidelines in contradiction of WP:UE and WP:COMMONNAME, they are not even internally consistent (as I have pointed out before).

 * Many currencies are exempt from the native language rule: most rubles, the Chinese customs gold unit, Cypriot pound, Djiboutian franc, Anglo-Saxon pound, Hawaiian dollar, Irish pound, Libyan pound, Macanese pataca, Malagasy franc, Maltese pound, Mongolian dollar, Moroccan franc, Philippine peso, Somali shilling, Somaliland shilling, Sudanese pound, Syrian pound, Old Taiwan dollar, and most rupees (India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, &c.), various piastres among others.

 * Some of the supposed "native" names total original research. Even though the English name is perfectly alright for the Sudanese pound or the Syrian pound, it's not for the Lebanese pound, now the Lebanese lira.  Even worse is the Egyptian pound which has its name taken from an online Egyptian dialect language teaching site: the Egyptian gineih.

 * These ridiculous names are the article titles despite clear prevalence of English usage in some cases, even at the official level as in the case of Brunei. Your example of the New Taiwan dollar is a good example.  If the rules were applied there, the title would be Xīntáibì.  It's safe to say that if you wrote that and asked 100 non-English-speaking Taiwanese what it meant, 99 wouldn't have a clue.  But if you wrote NT$, or even said the English name, you'd likely much further.  Good luck anyway. —   AjaxSmack     06:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

 * And no, no one in Taiwan would even recognise the pinyin Xīntáibì, because Taiwan doesn't use much pinyin. The written form will probably be something like Sin-t'ai-pi in Wades-Giles, which is more common in Taiwan/RoC than pinyin.  However the article on the New Taiwan dollar does not include either of those form, eventhough other Taiwan articles include it..  Anyways, that's not my concern as I'm not Taiwanese nor qualified to comment on the currency of a foreign country.  What I do know, as someone who was born and lived his entire life in Brunei, who speaks both the official language, English, and several other languages spoken in the country, who use the currency on a daily basis, and who reads about it in the local English press and other English publications, that the local name of the currency in English is the Brunei dollar.  --Novelty (talk) 09:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

 * The current guidelines say the name of the currenct should not be the local name of the currency in English. They call for it to be the local name in the local language even though it contradicts WP:UE and WP:UCN.  —   AjaxSmack   20:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Just because WikiProject Numismatics/Style has yet to be applied to all the currency articles is no reason to oppose its implementation. Never forget, Wikipedia is a work in progress. Sadly, some of the examples listed above represent cases where the agreed style has been opposed by small cabals of editors not interested in implementing a sensible and consistent nomenclature. Others are not inconsistent, such as Maltese pound, which is distinct from the later Maltese lira. I agree entirely that Old Taiwan dollar and New Taiwan dollar are completely anachronistic and need renaming. Yet more cases are awaiting agreement as to the proper local form before moving them. Given time, I hope these cases will be dealt with but right now we have to deal with this one. So, is Malay the local language in Brunei or not? Dove1950 (talk) 22:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Malay is definately NOT the local language of the minorities, and you'd be stretching it to say that Standard Malay is the local language of the Bumiputeras in daily use by the majority of the population. I'd say English is the lingua franca of the country and although it has no official status, it is widely used in industry, in education, in the mass media and in public, and the term "Brunei dollar" is by default the best local name for the currency. --Novelty (talk) 05:24, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Please, if I may, direct your comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numismatics/Style. Fix a class of a problem, not an instance of a problem. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 20:15, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I'd just like to point out that searching for "Brunei ringgit" gives me 2,060 hits on Google, searching for "Brunei dollar" gives 4,530,000 hits. --Novelty (talk) 05:33, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Move must wait
The naming convention for numismatic articles as a whole is under discussion. Please do not pre-empt this by moving while the discussion on this article is paused. Dove1950 (talk) 21:54, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The move was carried out via the requested move process, above, and the only editor in opposition was yourself. The discussion has been closed as it was very clear what the consensus was. Should the naming convention decide otherwise, the article can always be moved again. I encourage you all to participate in that discussion. Neıl  ☎  09:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * This is absurd, Dove1950. The result of the debate was quite clear, and frankly, the result at the Numismatics project is quickly becoming quite clear to use English names, and yet you have reverted this move twice. The consensus at this page should prevail, and yet you hold it up by simply trying to force your version through. This is move warring, and such behaviour is prohibited. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 06:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It can work either way. In some cases, policy and guideline changes work top-down: The change is proposed as a policy or guideline change, and then implemented in particular cases. But more commonly, at least some specific cases are dealt with first, under WP:IAR, and the guidelines and policies are then changed after the fact. Andrewa (talk) 19:04, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Merger
History of currencies used in Brunei looks like it more or less falls under the scope of this article. As such, it should be merged. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:20, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

 * Support Small articles. If they expand, they can always be split later. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 12:31, 26 January 2012 (UTC)*
 * Oppose The article has sufficient content to warrant a separate article.-- Hallows  AG  02:36, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, the article is not under the scope of Brunei dollar as the article's subject is the history of the currencies that were once used in Brunei as a whole, not just the Brunei dollar that is used now.-- Hallows  AG  12:33, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

 * Oppose Those are completely different currencies and should have separate pages. Novelty (talk) 15:49, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Requested file renames
Nathanielcwm has requested 15 files to be renamed for consistency.The new names that were requested are considerably less descriptive than the current names. For example File:1 Brunei dollar (BND) note, front (fair use).jpg -> File:BND 1 Polymer (2011) f.jpg and File:Brunei 5 dollar 2011 polymer note.jpg -> File:BND 5 Polymer (2011) f.jpg.Because of this I'm unsure it's even an improvement. any opinion? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 19:57, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not familiar with the filenames used in these type of articles, however the File:1 Brunei dollar (BND) note, front (fair use).jpg appears better as a filename, but many are named in the requested form. As it looks now, either way is OK, I think consistency should be strived for. Sorry, not much help :P -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 20:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * FlightTime, I see only 3 in the requested form, all uploaded by Nathanielcwm. If that category is all I'd rather rename everything and include full version of the abbreviated terms. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 21:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree. Give me a poke and I can help you with that. Cheers, -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 00:08, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I took the naming scheme from Category:Banknotes of Singapore I don't even understand how the 65 is relevant to File:1 Brunei dollar (BND) note, front (fair use).jpg and it has already been replaced, albeit with a minor revision in 2016, so it's not exactly a new note. As for the 5 dollar note, I believe that it conveys more information as in the old name it doesn't mention whether it's the front or the back, but the rest of the information is retained to the best of my knowledge. - nathanielcwm (talk) 02:25, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Nathanielcwm, could the 65 be related to the 65th birthday of Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah which the article mentions?I prefer seeing filenames without abbreviations. If you see "BND 1 Polymer (2011) f.jpg" in a list out of context you'd have no idea what it is. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 00:23, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Maybe, well I presume this would be put in hold until the deletion discussions have finished?

Alternatively maybe a name along the lines of "BND $1 Polymer (2011) front.jpg" would be better. - nathanielcwm (talk) 07:33, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Nathanielcwm, on hold, generally yes. (though they are still in the queue and another file mover might decide to ignore common practice)Technically the dollar sign is allowed in filenames but I'd very much rather avoid it. $ followed by a number is also used for replacements. See for example User talk:Alexis Jazz/Bawl/preload. (example) This can also cause problems with software/scripts if they forget to escape replacements. MediaWiki for example. Emojione 1F62C.svgI'd suggest "1 Brunei dollar (BND) note, front (fair use).jpg". This is still clear when seen out of context in for example a maintenance list/category. I'd actually omit the "polymer" and "2011" as the file may get overwritten in the future with a new design for the B$1 note. The addition of "(fair use)" is to avoid possible future conflicts with files on Wikimedia Commons of older notes of which the copyright expired. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 10:17, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Under Commons guidelines afaik major file changes shouldn't be uploaded as a new version, i.e a new version of a currency note should be uploaded as a new file no? IDK how much that policy applies to wikipedia instead tho. - nathanielcwm (talk) 13:09, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Nathanielcwm, Wikipedia is different. On Commons, yes you are absolutely right because both versions could be usable. On Wikipedia the old version of something non-free (like an old company logo or pre-release movie poster) gets deleted for failing WP:NFCC. Overwriting actually keeps more of the file history public as only the content of old file revisions gets deleted. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 13:30, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * would some of the commemmorative banknotes be allowed to be displayed on this page, as some of them have commentary - like the $10k note and 2011 series. - nathanielcwm (talk) 13:58, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Nathanielcwm, I had already scratched the front image of the 10K note from Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2022 July 15 as there is some commentary on that for being one of the world's most valuable banknotes. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 14:57, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Sardi's

Search
Yet to be searched for Sardi portraits: http://www.playbill.com/search/?q=sardi&np=4&m=&ul=&wf=12F00 http://www.playbill.com/search/?q=sardi&np=5&m=&ul=&wf=12F00

 * Zanimum, The list of caricatures you are compiling is really terrific. In fact, since when completed it will number about 1400 people, I thought it deserved its own page. I moved it over to List of caricatures at Sardi's restaurant. Hope that's ok with you. Thanks for the great contribution. J. Van Meter 14:50, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah, no problem. I was hoping we got to the point that a seperate page was needed. --  user:zanimum

In popular culture
Removed from the main article because it has no sources at all, and very little encyclopedic value. epicgenius (talk) 15:30, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Film
Movies that have filmed scenes in Sardi's include:
 * Love Is a Racket with Douglas Fairbanks Jr. and Ann Dvorak (1932)
 * The Velvet Touch with Rosalind Russell (1948)
 * Forever Female with Ginger Rogers, William Holden and Paul Douglas (1953)
 * The Country Girl with Bing Crosby, Grace Kelly and William Holden (1954)
 * But Not for Me with Clark Gable (1959)
 * Please Don't Eat the Daisies, with David Niven and Doris Day (1960)
 * Critic's Choice (1963) – While this Bob Hope–Lucille Ball film was shot in Hollywood, the Sardi's interior was authentically recreated with menus, plates, and memorabilia sent from the restaurant.
 * No Way to Treat a Lady (1968)
 * Made for Each Other with Renée Taylor and Joseph Bologna (1971)
 * Bloodsucking Freaks (1976)
 * The Fan (1981)
 * Author! Author! (1982)
 * The King of Comedy (1983) – Includes an appearance by Sardi's caricaturist Richard Baratz
 * The Muppets Take Manhattan (1984)
 * Radio Days (1987)
 * Switch (1991) directed by Blake Edwards – Ellen Barkin and Lorraine Bracco discuss their relationship over a dinner at Sardi's
 * Naked in New York (1993)
 * The Producers (2005)
 * Shortcut to Happiness (2007) with Alec Baldwin, Jennifer Love Hewitt, and Anthony Hopkins.
 * Frost/Nixon (2008) – David Frost talks about the restaurant to John Birt when both are leaving for California.

Television

 * In the January 20, 1957 episode of The Steve Allen Show, Ingrid Bergman and Kirk Douglas were interviewed by Steve Allen at Sardi's. The actors were there to receive the New York Film Critics Award.
 * In The Twilight Zone episode "A Stop at Willoughby", James Daly's character, Gart Williams, asks his protegé's secretary to look for him at Sardi's.
 * In the M*A*S*H episode "House Arrest", Hawkeye Pierce is being escorted to the swamp by MPs. He smirks at them to get him home quickly because "I'm dining at Sardi's tonight."
 * In the Newhart episode "Saturday in New York with George", Bob Newhart's character, Dick Loudon, offers to take George Utley to an all-night deli. Utley replies that eating anywhere after Sardi's would "be a let-down".
 * In the Seinfeld episode "The Summer of George", the exterior of Sardi's is shown as Kramer is eating there with the Broadway crowd after falsely accepting a Tony Award.
 * The Mad Men season 2 episode, "The New Girl", Donald Draper arrives at Sardi's to have drinks with Bobbie Barrett, when he runs into his former flame, Rachel Menken. Rachel explains she is now married and introduces her husband, Tilden Katz. The caricatures are clearly visible along the wall in the scene.
 * In the Glee episode "New York", Finn Hudson took Rachel Berry there for a date and even saw Patti LuPone there.
 * In the Glee episode "Love, Love, Love", Rachel Berry is seen walking past it and looking inside it while singing "Yesterday".

Books
Books that have referenced Sardi's include:
 * In "Zooey" from Franny and Zooey by J.D. Salinger, the cluttered walls of the Glass family apartment are likened to those of Sardi's.
 * In Someday Someday Maybe by Lauren Graham, Franny and Dan first kiss in Sardi's.
 * In Diamonds Are Forever by Ian Fleming
 * In Don't Stop the Carnival by Herman Wouk, the protagonist Norman Paperman, a public relations/press agent considers Sardi's his venue of choice for entertaining his clientele.
 * In "Humboldt's Gift", by Saul Bellow, the protagonist Charlie Citrine quotes the name of Sardi's as a symbol of accomplished popularity and fanciness.

Songs
Songs that have referenced Sardi's include:
 * "This Could Be the Start of Something (Big)" (music and lyrics by Steve Allen)
 * "I Wanna Be A Producer (The Producers)" (music and lyrics by Mel Brooks)
 * "Part of it All" (title of show) (Music and lyrics by Jeff Bowen)

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