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Oscar Grant III
User:Calton Per the revert of an edit made at 08:18, 11 May 2020: it seems to me this was a significant enough event during his mayoralty to warrant mentioning. Dellums called for a federal inquiry on the shooting. Am I not following any Wiki editing guidelines that led you to make your edit, or are you challenging based on it's relevance to Dellums? Asking earnestly - I'm a relatively new editor. --47.144.151.55 (talk) 08:49, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This is something that happened on BART property, from the actions of the BART Police and a BART Police officer. The only connection I can see to Ron Dellums and the government of the City of Oakland is that the BART station is within the city limits of Oakland. That's it.
 * Did you have anything that suggests any other connection? Because you've certainly made none. --Calton | Talk 09:37, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * How would this sound? Seeking out your help! --47.144.151.55 (talk) 09:15, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oscar Grant III was a 22-year-old African-American man who was fatally shot in the early morning hours of New Year's Day 2009 by BART Police Officer Johannes Mehserle, during the third year of Dellums' term. Responding to reports of a fight on a crowded BART train returning from San Francisco, BART Police officers detained Grant and several other passengers on the platform at the Fruitvale BART Station. While Grant was held down in a prone position, Mehserle drew his pistol and shot him in the back. Grant was rushed to Highland Hospital in Oakland and pronounced dead later that day. Dellums' response to the event has been criticized by local black liberation media outlet the San Francisco Bay View . The events were captured on multiple official and private digital video and privately owned cell phone cameras, and owners disseminated their footage to media outlets of all stripes, and to various websites where it went viral. Both peaceful and violent protests took place in the following days. Dellums professed support for these demonstrations . The film Fruitvale Station dramatizes these events.

 * Reading this, I couldn't tell anyone what Dellum's response was, nor why it was criticized by one particular newspaper. The cite for "Dellums' response has been criticized" doesn't mention Dellums at all in the body of the article; rather, the caption for a photograph of a demonstrator asserts Dellums "refused...to confront the issue". This proposed edit also suggests (probably clumsily) that Dellums professed support for violent protests. I'd like to see much less biased sourcing for the event and a non-YouTube source for Dellums comments about the event. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 15:06, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was sppedy deleted.  Grue  17:50, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Michael Moffatt
attack page --Trovatore 07:12, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete. Author keeps removing speedy tag. Created as an insult page; see . --Trovatore 07:12, 8 October 2005 (UTC) (nominator)

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Allans Flat, Victoria

Allans Flat is a small town in Victoria, Australia. It is located along Osbornes Flat Road, north-east of Yackandandah. The areas around the town were mined for gold between the 1850s and 1904 though without sufficient population for a Post Office until 26 October 1876.

The town was surveyed and proclaimed in 1905. The Post Office closed in 1975.

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Earl on September 20 must be Early on September 20. Possibly a typo

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Todo
More impact, better intro, more sources, inline sources. Jdorje 21:28, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Done. What more needs to be done? Hurricanehink 15:37, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Impact pictures. Not sure if they are allowed or not (no copyright notice).

Hurricanehink 17:29, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * http://www.tomzap.com/pinotep5.html
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 * http://www.dr-spang.de/pdf/davos2003.pdf

Nicely done. As for the pictures, if there's no copyright notice we can't use them AFAIK. Jdorje 21:43, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks, and damn ;) Hopefully some pics will turn up somewhere. Hurricanehink 22:55, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

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 * The article is a bit short. -- King of Hearts talk 03:04, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Aftermath
There should be an aftermath section. Retirement and some of the current impact section should be put there, and I'm sure more info can be found. — jdorje (talk) 03:30, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

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 * These are mostly for me, but if someone else wants to chip along, well, I'd be very happy. :) Tito xd (?!?) 03:23, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

GA Nomination June 2006 (declined)
I've reviewed a number of these Hurricane articles now, this isnt there yet in the overall prose. Another concern is this paragrapgh
 * In Oaxaca, Hurricane Pauline killed 15 people, with 22 missing. [5] Pauline destroyed thousands of acres of crops, destroyed thousands of cattle, and killed many in the province. [6] International aid focused on the wealthier Acapulco initially, though weeks later food and aid were delivered to the stricken areas.

the opening say 15 killed supported by ref #5, then says killed many supported ref #6. its a duplicate of the same statement but when you check ref #6 the document says 110 people killed in Oaxaca. sorry guys i've declined GA on this, but if you want me to come back and review again just drop a note on my talk page Gnangarra 08:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

The Olaf/Pauline tango
I'm starting to look at the rainfall from these systems, and it's looking awful complicated. Olaf brought some rain, then Pauline brought more rain, then Pauline's broad circulation aloft drug Olaf back inland. Oy gevalt. These rainfall maps will be tricky...something tells me I'll have to create a combined rainfall map including both storms, in addition to the individual storm total maps. Thegreatdr 02:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Ugh, that's not good. Good luck with that. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Passed GA

 * well written Pass
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 * broad in its coverage Pass
 * neutral point of view policy Pass
 * stable Pass
 * contains images Pass

Great job!--Rmky87 03:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Pic
Not a huge deal but why is the CLASS pic in the infobox instead of the NCDC one, which is of much higher quality? -- § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 01:01, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

GA Sweeps Review: Pass
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User talk:Delldot

Critical Response
When including the critics responses to productions of the work of a playwright, would it be appropriate to have the name of the play as a header, the location and date of the production as a subhead then bullet the names of the reviewers and their publications with links to the actual review?

Thank you for your guidance!

Maura MauraJunius (talk) 18:42, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey MauraJunius, good to see you're still improving it! Tough question. I don't know what the actual convention is, fortunately there's WikiProject Theatre full of folks who work on these types of articles. They don't have a guideline for playwrights but WikiProject Theatre/Article Structure has a guideline for a Response section.  It's not detailed enough to answer your question though. In my opinion, it would be best to have a general header like Critical reception, then maybe subheaders for each play if there's enough info to fill out a good sized subsection. Otherwise I'd just write it out in different paragraphs.  A bulleted list could work, but it might be better to just write it out in prose--I think bulleted lists are not preferred. Then I would definitely link to the reviews but I would do it in the references section--i.e. put the reference with the link between tags at the end of the relevant sentence.  I looked at A Very Merry Unauthorized Children's Scientology Pageant  which is a featured article, meaning the community has deemed it among the best articles.  I look at FA's in the relevant area when I'm trying to figure out how to write something.  Here are more theater FA's.  Anyway look at the Pageant article's Reception section, that's the way I'd format it (of course you're dealing with more than one play).  Anyway, I hope this helps, let me know if I can clarify anything!  delldot   ∇.  23:18, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Category:Characters that are apart of the Marvel Cinematic Universe
This category clearly meets the requirements of speedy deletion, the same editor has recreated the same categories under albeit under slightly different title variations on multiple occasions and each time the concensus is the same. It's actually disruptive behavior at this point.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 03:06, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I hear you TriiipleThreat, there's no way we're keeping this one, but I was loath to close the CFD discussion as speedy delete because there were other pages being discussed at the same time. I thought it might actually be more efficient to let the thing run its course.  But I have no problem with speedying either.  I think the way you typically express your opinion is to comment with a speedy delete in the deletion discussion rather than tagging the page.  You can weigh in on the other cats that way too. Peace,  delldot   ∇.  03:15, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks very much for reviewing our article.. come join the fun at the WikiCup! Reviewing good articles gets you points. Hope to see you competing soon! ツStacey (talk) 21:13, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the invite! I write at a pretty glacial pace though. I miiiight have a look. :) delldot   ∇.  21:20, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha, so do we normally.. This has become strangely competitive! Dave (User:Worm That Turned) does all the writing while I make brews and poke him with a stick.. Its really working; I feel I am really achieving something! ツStacey (talk) 21:33, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I see, very clever! Do I get a stick too if I join? delldot   ∇.  21:38, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

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 * Ah, consider me motivated! delldot   ∇.  21:52, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't forget to join! If you just score points you will be through the first round.. You've already got points from your Good article review.. Come on! ツStacey (talk) 21:18, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Huh, so you can retroactively claim points after you join? delldot   ∇.  06:52, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * As I understand it, it is for anything done since 1st January :) Get signed up! ツStacey (talk) 11:04, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

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 * :) Talk to you soon I hope,  delldot   ∇.  07:39, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

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FA review for Sexuality after spinal cord injury
Just want to give you a heads up that I'll give comments for this article tomorrow. I hope all is well! Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 07:38, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks a ton Notecardforfree!  delldot   ∇.  07:42, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion - NPlot
Hi, you have deleted the article on NPlot. The reason stated indicates misunderstanding of the subject (refer to the Talk page; - update - didn't even manage to write anything on the Talk page because the article was deleted before I could do anything, so I will put the argument about contesting deletion on my talk page). Can you please revert the action so that the article is available for eventual improvement. Thanks, Ajgorhoe (talk) 11:53, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey Ajgorhoe, sorry for the speed of that speedy! Sure, I can undelete it so you can work on it. How about somewhere in your userspace like User:Ajgorhoe/NPlot at least until it's got a few references for verifiability.  You're right that the A7 web was not the right justification so that was my mistake to go with that, but wouldn't you agree that it should meet the General notability guideline by showing it's been written about in reliable sources?  Thank you for bringing this up, I'm sure your contributions will be valuable.  delldot   ∇.  15:21, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi delldot, thanks for your response. It would be useful for me if you save the article to User:Ajgorhoe/NPlot because I will not be able to work on it soon. I planned to add a broader set of information about .NET libraries because I think that software libraries are poorly covered in general and this would also be useful to attract other contributions in the area (to move things from a standing point). But my stock of time is limited and I already spent this weekend's stock on studying formalities, in particular to figure out how to start and evolve work without parts being removed before they get close enough to their final form.
 * Of course I agree that articles should meet notability guidelines, verifiability, accuracy etc. Exactly for this reason the amount of work invested in this short piece of information was rather large, but further work would be needed (not in terms of deletion, if I try to make my point) and I don't think I should feel solely responsible or "called" for this mission. Wikipedia is a collaborative project and people can't claim parts of it. In order for an article to reach maturity and good quality, it is necessary that more people get involved and it takes some time and iteration. In the particular case, the article would have most value when connected to other related information (which would advance the whole area) and this should be built here. But this will not happen (it hasn't by now with exception of some specific areas such as numerical libraries) if a modest start is not possible. Regards, Ajgorhoe (talk) 17:45, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, I will undelete it as soon as I'm home in front of a computer, rather than on my mobile. Thanks Ajgorhoe for the time you've put in so far and I'm sorry for not recognizing that right away. I see your point about having something there as a basis for future work. How about adding just a reference or two to get it up to a minimum standard, then moving it to article space and soliciting help on the relevant WikiProject talk page? Or even soliciting help while it's still in the user space? Maybe we can find some active editors in the field as well, and leave them personal messages. I don't mind helping with some of this, but adding the references is probably going to be difficult for me due to the aforemand unfamiliarity with the topic. Peace, delldot   ∇.  21:27, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your advise. I'll have to leave it aside for some time, but later the undeleted article will be useful and I'd try to improve it according to your suggestions. I didn't think of soliciting help on the relevant WikiProject talk, and it might be a good idea, especially with a broader work on libraries which I would like to see pushed forward. I will probably come back for some advice later. Regards, Ajgorhoe (talk) 23:21, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, I'm happy to help and advise however I can, just let me know. here's the undeleted article, I'm interested to see what you do with it once you have time.  Peace,  delldot   ∇.  02:40, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Delta Dawn (murder victim)
Hi. Can you give Delta Dawn (murder victim) a look-over/copy-edit? Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 19:07, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure Paul, what do you have in mind? A GA-type review where I say what I think is missing in terms of comprehensiveness and everything?  Or more of just a straight copyedit/prose check?  You want me to bring up issues I find on the talk page, or just fix stuff myself?  delldot   ∇.  19:28, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Both review and bring up issues and if you can fix stuff yourself where you can, that would be good. Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 19:34, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Cool, will do. delldot   ∇.  19:41, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks for all of the work you did to carry out Categories for discussion/Log/2015 December 28. I would hope that a bot could do some of the heavy lifting but it appears like a task that had to be done manually. Liz Read! Talk! 18:43, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Aw, thank you so much for that Liz! It's rare enough to have someone acknowledge grunt work like that (which actually I enjoy way more than is probably healthy). When I saw the orange notice I literally said "oh dear" out loud because I was sure it was either someone letting me know I screwed something up or that there was a more intelligent way to have done that.  delldot   ∇.  18:54, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I use to spend a lot of time in CfD discussions when I first started regularly editing in 2013. So I thought when I became an admin last summer, I thought I'd be doing a lot of work in CfD field. But while I am comfortable closing discussions, I find the instructions to carry out actions like mergers so confusing compared to other deletion areas that I've worked in more straight-forward admin activities. If you'd ever be willing to walk me through it, I'd appreciate it!
 * Oh, and I noticed all of the work you were doing because I regularly tag empty categories and some of those categories you deleted were empty and kept appearing on the database report list every morning but were left untouched because they were involved in a CfD discussion. So, now they be gone! Liz  Read! Talk! 20:14, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, I'm happy to help however I can. (Although I reserve the right to have no idea what I'm doing at all times.)  Actually if we can identify specific parts of WP:CFDAI that are confusing, maybe we can make some useful edits and recruit some more help!  delldot   ∇.  06:11, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

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Hi. I'm editing and am trying to find a full citation. I found you added this in 2013. Would you be able to remember what book this was from? Thanks.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 03:27, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, good catch. I was mostly editing Slavery_in_Haiti, I must have forgotten to copy over the actual citation.

 * LMK if you catch anything else! delldot   ∇.  03:51, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

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 * Aw thank you! Lovely to get. delldot   ∇.  14:33, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

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 * Hi, thank you for letting me know! I don't have a lot of time these days. Do you think it is helpful to WP to pursue these copyright claims? Is that an ongoing project? How much of a time commitment do you think it is to pursue it? Thanks again for the note and working on the review. delldot   ∇.  01:38, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

 * Hi Delldot! I completely understand. It is your decision whether you feel it worthwhile to pursue a claim, and it is fine to leave things as they are. Thanks! Bibeyjj (talk) 08:47, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

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I saw that you reviewed Black American Sign Language a few years ago. I think it's the latest article about a language that was promoted to the FA status. I've just listed Levantine Arabic for peer-review, in hopes of bringing it to featured article status and that's why I'd love to get your feedback on this peer-review (and maybe, if you have time, get more help on the nomination process).

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 * Thank you delldot! A455bcd9 (talk) 11:37, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
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 * Thanks to your PR, I improved the article and then nominated it for FAC. I would love if you could have a second look at the article and provide some feedback. Thanks for any help you can provide. A455bcd9 (talk) 20:03, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah shoot I'm sorry I didn't get to this in time! I hope it gets another chance and I can have time to weigh in. delldot   ∇.  14:36, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

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Bimbo (song)

"Bimbo" is a popular song written in either 1948 or 1949 by Glenn O'Dell, but credited to Rodney (Rod) Morris or "Pee Wee" King. It was recorded in 1953 by Jim Reeves on Abbott 148. The song was later included in the 1965 album Up Through the Years on RCA Victor. Reeves' version became his second No. 1 song on the Billboard magazine country chart in January 1954, and helped pave the way to his eventual superstardom. Like his previous No. 1 hit "Mexican Joe," "Bimbo" was more of a novelty hit for Reeves; as such, "Bimbo" differed greatly from the smooth, Nashville sound ballads - "Four Walls" and "He'll Have to Go" - that he later recorded and made famous. Former NBA player Vernell "Bimbo" Coles is nicknamed after this song.

Cover versions

 * The song was recorded by Gene Autry and originally released as a 78rpm single in 1954. It can also be found on the 1998 album, Always Your Pal, Gene Autry. This is an album of singalong cowboy music for children.
 * A version sung by Suzi Miller was played on the BBC radio station's Children's Favourites show during the 1950s or 1960s.
 * Ruby Wright's version of "Bimbo" made number 7 in the UK Singles Chart in April 1954.
 * A Norwegian version was released in 1969 by Rolf Just-Nilsen with the title "Bingo" on the single Triola TN 579. Henry Ruud wrote the Norwegian lyrics.
 * The song is used as the theme tune to the Liverpool comedian John Bishop's Radio Show on City Talk.

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Current 'Books in the series'
Unless otherwise noted, pages listed are for the most widely available paperback editions.
 * 1) The Eye of the World 832 pages (15 January 1990)
 * 2) The Great Hunt 736 pages (15 November 1990)
 * 3) The Dragon Reborn 704 pages (15 October 1991)
 * 4) The Shadow Rising 1008 pages (15 September 1992)
 * 5) The Fires of Heaven 992 pages (15 October 1993)
 * 6) Lord of Chaos 1024 pages (15 October 1994)
 * 7) A Crown of Swords 896 pages (15 May 1996)
 * 8) The Path of Daggers 704 pages (20 October 1998)
 * 9) *Snow: The Prologue to Winter's Heart (September 2000, ebook)
 * 10) Winter's Heart 800 pages (7 November 2000)
 * 11) *Glimmers: The Prologue to Crossroads of Twilight (July 17, 2002, ebook)
 * 12) Crossroads of Twilight 864 pages (7 January 2003)
 * 13) *Embers Falling on Dry Grass: The Prologue to Knife of Dreams (July 22, 2005, ebook)
 * 14) Knife of Dreams 783 pages hardcover (11 October 2005, expected US publi

Tabelized version I am working on
All page totals given are for the most widely available paperback editions, except for Knife of Dreams which is still hardcover only.

Prologue Ebooks
 * Snow: The Prologue to Winter's Heart (September 2000)
 * Glimmers: The Prologue to Crossroads of Twilight (July 17, 2002)
 * Embers Falling on Dry Grass: The Prologue to Knife of Dreams (July 22, 2005)

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Lamchin

The Lamchin were one of many tribes of the Ohlone (Coastanoan) people, Native Americans who lived along the San Francisco Peninsula. The Lamchin were the native inhabitants of what is now San Carlos, California. Information is sparse and dispersed, coming mostly from Spanish mission records – as the natives had no written language. The collected information follows over 100 years of research by many noted historians. The Lamchin are believed to be extinct – as historical, statistical and limited written accounts would seem to indicate.

Their north-western neighbors were the Ssalson, to the south the Suchihín, and to the east the Puichon, respectively in present-day Belmont, California, the southern end of Crystal Springs Reservoir, and Redwood City, California. All the groups are considered part of the Ohlone (or Costanoan) language group. The Ohlone group language has been labeled Utian.

The Lamchin may have had two villages named Ormostac, close to the Ssalson and Cachanigtac, their main village in what is now directly south of the downtown San Carlos along Pulgas Creek. The main village name appears to contain a word for vermin, which the Spanish missionaries translated as las Pulgas (the Fleas). The names still lives on as Alameda de las Pulgas, a local main thoroughfare connecting peninsula towns along the feet of the foothills. The mission's baptismal record mentions other Lamchin villages of Ussete, Guloisnistac, and Ssupichom.

The first native inhabitants were baptized at Mission San Francisco de Asís (Mission Dolores) in 1777 and last in 1794. A total of 139 Lamchin people appear in the mission's baptismal records.

Differences in spelling
It bears repeating that the Spanish mission records are fuzzy and sparse. Spelling differs on many entries for the same word, as the missionaries were trying to write with reference to their native language. We, in turn, re-write to our phonetic references and language. As such, authorities on this subject differ in spelling.

Currently only Milliken (1995) and Brown (1973) cover Lamchin material sufficiently for reference. The table below gives a few of the (currently) known spellings, with Milliken getting preference.

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Allendale, Victoria

Allendale (aka Allandale) is a town in Victoria, Australia, located north-east of Creswick, in the Shire of Hepburn. At the, Allendale and the surrounding area had a population of 166.

The town began as a mining settlement around the Berry Leads mining area. It had a peak population of about 1,500. Allendale once had ten hotels, railway station, post office, bakery, and shops, all of which have closed. The small boarding school located in Leishman Street was sold in 2005. Allendale Post Office opened on 6 May 1881, was known as Allandale from 1885 to 1893, and closed in 1974.

Allendale Railway Station was on the North Creswick to Daylesford line. The railway closed in sections with Allendale to Newlyn closed on 1 December 1976, and from North Creswick to Allendale on 8 December 1986.

Sports
The Allendale FC was formed at a meeting at Dibdin's Hall, Allendale in June 1882. The club had a reasonable amount of success in it's early years, winning local premiership in 1892, 1895,   1897  and were runners up in 1894   and 1907.
 * Allendale Football Club

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User talk:Zora/Dhul

Dhul-Qarnayn (Arabic ذو القرنين, also transcribed Dhu'l-Qarnein, Zul-Qurnayn, Zul-Qarnain, Zul-Qarneyn, etc.) is a figure mentioned in the Qur'an, the sacred scripture of Islam. He is said to have been a great and righteous ruler who built a long wall that keeps Gog and Magog from attacking the peoples of the West.

Alexander the Great -- or not?
The identity of Dhul-Qarnayn has become a matter of great controversy in modern times.

Medieval scholars of Islam identified Dhul-Qarnayn as the ancient Greek conqueror Alexander the Great. The early Muslim historian Ibn Hisham wrote, "Dhu al-Qarnain is Alexander the Greek, the king of Persia and Greece, or the king of the east and the west, for because of this he was called Dhul-Qarnayn [meaning, 'the two-horned one']..." Some modern Islamic scholars also identify Dhul-Qarnayn with Alexander the Great; for example, in the appendix of his famous translation of the Qur'an, Yusuf Ali argues for such an identification. Secular, academic scholars of the Qur'an also agree that Dhul-Qarnayn is an ancient epithet of the historical Alexander the Great.

If the Quranic references to Dhul-Qarnayn are to be construed as references to Alexander the Great, however, then those references are clearly folklore rather than history. Alexander the Great is not known to have built such a wall. Moreover, Dhul-Qarnayn has been revered by Muslims as a prophet which -- if he is the pagan and homosexual Alexander -- is scandalous.

For the many Muslims who believe that the Qur'an is perfect and infallible, this is a challenge to belief. Current Muslim orthodoxy posits that earlier interpreters were wrong, and that Dhul-Qarnayn is not Alexander, but another ruler, unknown to history.

A similar challenge is posed by Quranic stories of Abraham, Jesus, and other figures from the Judeo-Christian tradition, stories that contradict the accounts given in the Torah and the New Testament. Muslim exegetes account for these differences by postulating that it is the Jewish and Christian traditions that are corrupt, not the Qur'an. Secular scholars argue out that, just as in the case of Dhul-Qarnayn, these historical references reflect what was believed to be true in 7th century Arabia, not actual historical fact.

Interpretation of the Qur'an as a 7th century document and not an infallible divine text is a variation upon higher criticism, the academic pursuit that, starting in the 19th century, has posed a similar challenge to a fundamentalist interpretation of the Christian and Jewish sacred texts.

What the Qur'an says about Dhul-Qarnayn
From the Qur'an (Chapter 18):

 * [83] They ask thee concerning Zul-qarnain Say, "I will rehearse to you something of his story."
 * [84] Verily We established his power on earth, and We gave him the ways and the means to all ends.
 * [85] One (such) way he followed,
 * [86] Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority), either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
 * [87] He said: "Whoever doth wrong, him shall we punish; then shall he be sent back to his Lord; and He will punish him with a punishment unheard-of (before).
 * [88] "But whoever believes, and works righteousness, he shall have a goodly reward, and easy will be his task as we order it by our command."
 * [89] Then followed he (another) way.
 * [90] Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection against the sun.
 * [91] (He left them) as they were: We completely understood what was before him.
 * [92] Then followed he (another) way,
 * [93] Until, when he reached (a tract) between two mountains, he found, beneath them, a people who scarcely understood a word.
 * [94] They said: "O Zul-qarnain! the Gog and Magog (people) do great mischief on earth: shall we then render thee tribute in order that thou mightest erect a barrier between us and them?
 * [95] He said: "(The power) in which my Lord has established me is better (than tribute): help me therefore with strength (and labour): I will erect a strong barrier between you and them:
 * [96] "Bring me blocks of iron." At length, when he had filled up the space between the two steep mountain sides, he said, "Blow (with your bellows)" then, when he had made it (red) as fire, he said: "Bring me, that I may pour over it, molten lead."
 * [97] Thus were they made powerless to scale it or to dig through it.
 * [98] He said: "This is a mercy from my Lord: but when the promise of my Lord comes to pass, He will make it into dust; and the promise of my Lord is true."

Muslim veneration of Dhul-Qarnayn

Early Muslim scholars identified the Dhul-Qarnayn of the Qur'an with Alexander the Great. In the following centuries, Dhul-Qarnayn was often (if not always) regarded by Muslims as a Prophet of Islam.

The Persian Alexander legend is known as the Iskandarnamah. Persian writers told stories in which Alexander's mother was a wife or concubine of Darius II, making him the half-brother of the last Achaemenid shah, Darius III. Muslim writers wove these legends into their meditations upon Dhul-Qarnayn.

By the 12th century writers such as Nezami Ganjavi were writing epic poems about Alexander, holding him up as the model of the ideal statesman or philosopher-king.

Reasons to identify Dhul-Qarnayn with Alexander the Great
Alexander the Great was an immensely popular figure in the classical and post-classical cultures of the Mediterranean and Near East. Almost immediately after his death a body of legend began to accumulate about his exploits and life which, over the centuries, became increasingly fantastic as well as allegorical. Collectively this tradition is called the Alexander Romance and features such vivid episodes as Alexander ascending through the air to Paradise or journeying to the bottom of the sea in a glass bubble.

The Alexander Romance was incorporated into various Jewish and later Christian legends, from whence it passed to Arabia and Muhammad -- or so say the secular historians.

Jewish legends
In the Jewish tradition Alexander was initially a figure of satire, representing the vain or covetous ruler who is ignorant of larger spiritual truths. Yet their belief in a just, all-powerful God forced Jewish interpreters of the Alexander tradition to come to terms with Alexander's undeniable temporal success. Why would a just, all-powerful God show such favor to an unrighteous ruler? This theological need, plus acculturation to Hellenism, led to a more positive Jewish interpretation of the Alexander legacy.

In its most neutral form this was typified by having Alexander show deference to either the Jewish people or the symbols of their faith. In having the great conqueror thus acknowledge the essential truth of the Jews' religious, intellectual, or ethical traditions, the prestige of Alexander was harnessed to the cause of Jewish ethnocentrism. Eventually Jewish writers would almost completely co-opt Alexander, depicting him as a righteous gentile or even a believing monotheist.

Christian legends
The Christianized peoples of the Near East, inheritors of both the Hellenic as well as Judaic strands of the Alexander Romance, further embellished the Alexander legend until in some stories he was depicted as a near-saint, a monotheist Believing King (contrary to known historical facts).

The two-horned one
The Arabic name "Dhul-Qarnayn" literally means "the two-horned one." Alexander the Great was often depicted with the horns of Amon. The coins pictured above show a horned Alexander. One of the coins was minted in 2nd century Arabia, showing that the legend was current there long before Muhammad.

Alexander was shown with horns because he was identified with the Egyptian horned god Amon. The rulers of Egypt had long based their claims to legitimacy upon divine descent. Alexander, as the conqueror of Egypt, had advanced a competing claim, that he was the son of Amon and thereby entitled to rule.

 * "He seems to have become convinced of the reality of his own divinity and to have required its acceptance by others ... The cities perforce complied, but often ironically: the Spartan decree read, 'Since Alexander wishes to be a god, let him be a god.'"

In the Alexander Romance, a Christian legend has it that, in one of his prayers to God, Alexander said, "O God ... Thou hast made me horns upon my heads" and the translator adds in a footnote that in the Ethiopic version of this legend, "Alexander is always referred to as 'the two horned,'" (p.146.)

The Caspian Gates
The Alexander Romance includes the Christian legend of the Caspian Gates, also known as Alexander's wall, built by Alexander to fence off the barbaric hordes of Gog and Magog. Several variations of this legend can be found. In the legend, Alexander the Great builds a gate of iron between two mountains to prevent the armies of Gog and Magog from attacking. This is precisely the story that the Qur'an tells of Dhul-Qarnayn.

One academic notes, "The episode of the building of the gate against Gog and Magog is found in the Christian legend concerning Alexander, and in the poetic version of Jacob of Serugh which was written not later than A.D. 521. The Koran was written over a century after this version." (p. 201).

A version of the Christian legend gives a supposed letter from Alexander to his mother:

 * "I petitioned the exalted Deity, and he heard my prayer. And the exalted Deity commanded the two mountains and they moved and approached each other to a distance of twelve ells, and there I made .... copper gates 12 ells broad, and 60 ells high, and smeared them over within and without with ... so that neither fire nor iron, nor any other means should be able to loosen the copper; since fire was put out against it, and iron was shattered. Within these gates, I made another construction of stones, each of which was eleven ells broad, 20 ells high, and 60 ells thick. And having done this I finished the construction by putting mixed tin and lead over the stones, and smearing .... over the whole, so that no one might be able to do anything against the gates. I called them the Caspian Gates. Twenty and Two Kings did I shut up therein." (pp.177-178).

When Alexander's Gate was accepted as history, then it seemed reasonable that historians and geographers should note its real-life location. Various accounts were current. One historian notes,

 * "The gate itself had wandered from the Caspian Gates to the pass of Dariel, from the pass of Dariel to the pass of Derbend, as well as to the far north; nay, it had travelled even as far as remote eastern or north-eastern Asia, gathering in strength and increasing in size as it went, and actually carrying the mountains of Caspia with it. Then, as the full light of modern day come on, the Alexander Romance ceased to be regarded as history, and with it Alexander's Gate passed into the realm of fairyland." (pp.103-104).

Gog and Magog
In the Christian legends, Alexander the Great builds a mighty wall and gate between two mountains, preventing the hordes of Gog and Magog from invading the Earth. In the Qur'an, Dhul-Qarnayn builds a mighty wall and gate between two mountains, preventing the hordes of Gog and Magog from invading the Earth.

Christian legend has it that in the end times, before the Judgement Day, the wall and gate will be destroyed and the barbarians will overwhelm the civilized world. The Qur'an also says that this will happen.

 * "...Until the Gog and Magog (people) are let through (the gate), and they swiftly swarm from every hill. Then will the True Promise draw nigh (of fulfilment). Then behold! The eyes of the Unbelievers will fixedly stare in horror ..." (Qur'an 21:96-97)

Reasons not to identify Alexander and Dhul-Qarnayn
Medieval Muslim scholars were happy to identify Alexander and Dhul-Qarnayn. Now that more is known of Alexander, many contemporary Muslims assert that the medieval scholars were mistaken and that Dhul-Qarnayn cannot be Alexander.

Some argue that we know nothing of Dhul-Qarnayn save what is found in the Qur'an, and that not enough information is there given to link Dhul-Qarnayn and Alexander -- or indeed any historical figure.

Some have postulated an Alexander who lived 2000 years before Alexander the Great).

Other Muslim scholars, such as Maududi and Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, have suggested that Dhul-Qarnayn is Cyrus the Great.

Yet other Muslims have suggested that Dhul-Qarnayn is the mysterious Tubba' of Yemen or Narmer.

Note re Alexander's wall and flat-earth theories
How can a single wall and gate prevent the barbarians from invading the civilized countries to the West? Most of the legends of Alexander's wall assume that the earth is a flat disk, surrounded by mountains.

The Qur'an's story of Dhul-Qarnayn also seems to imply a flat earth:

 * "Then he [Dhul-Qarnayn] followed a way until, when he reached the rising of the Sun, he found it rising upon a people for whom We had not appointed any veil to shade them from it ... " (Qur'an 18:89-90).

The Qur'an also describes Dhul-Qarnayn travelling to the place where the sun sets into a spring of a water:

 * "... Until when he [Dhul-Qarnayn] reached the setting of the Sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water. Near it he found a People. We said: "Dhul-Qarnayn! (Thou hast authority,) either to punish them or to treat them with kindness." (Qur'an 18:86)

Some Muslim exegeses of the Qur'an conclude that the divine book thus prescribes a belief in a flat earth.

Some Muslim scholars who accept the identification of Dhul-Qarnayn and Alexander nevertheless insist that the Qur'an's descriptions of Dhul-Qarnayn's travels are just allegorical references to Alexander's travels towards the east and the west, and do not imply that Dhul-Qarnayn travelled to the ends of a flat Earth. They argue that sophisticated Muslim scholars did not accept the flat earth theory -- in fact, Muslim mathematicians developed spherical trigonometry in order to calculate the qibla, or direction of Mecca, so that the daily prayers could be offered properly. Use of spherical trigonometry implies belief in a round earth.

For further discussion, see Islam and flat-earth theories.

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Talk:Atlas Jet

List of Managers Personel

General Manager Tuncay Doğaner Head of Quality Management Mustafa Hesapçıoğlu Head of Commerce Arrivalsment Batuhan Karataş Head of Flight Operations Mehmet Erbilgin Head of Ground Operations Turgay Kuttaş Head of Training Doğan İnanç Head of Technical Coordinator Celalettin Durak Head of Technical Affairs Erkan Yılmaz Coordinator of Finance Ahmet Argün Head of Finance Tayfun Karamustafa

Qualifications, Certificates and Memberships Owned

AR-145 Maintenance Qualification (B.757, A.320)

TRTO Training Qualification (B.757, A.320)

LVO CAT-IIIA Qualification

RVSM Qualification

MNPS Qualification

FAA FAR-129 Qualification

IATA Member (KK)

ISO 9000:2000 Quality Management System Certificate

EFQM Excellency Determination Certificate

TÖSHI D Membership

KAL-DER Membership

IACA (International Air Carrier Association) Membership

WTM (World Tracer Management) Membership

GAST-EPIC Membership Pictures

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The text of this page was simply a copy of the text at http://www.atlasjet.com/eng/hak.htm and the official name of the airline is Atlasjet, so I redirected this page to that one. - Flooey 00:08, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

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