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Talk:Communion (Koinonia/Christian Fellowship)

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Communion, Christian meaning article was created recently, I moved to Community (Christian) based on statement that it relates to koinonia κοινωνία maybe merge with Communion of Saints? Has cleanup and merge notices --> needs work. Paul foord 14:41, 1 October 2005 (UTC) Maybe Fellowship (Christian) would be a better title Paul foord 15:16, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

It is hard to see how "community" can be thought to correspond to "κοινωνία". I doubt if any English translation of the New Testament ever used "community" in connection with the abstract noun "κοινωνία" or its concrete cognate "κοινωνός" (one who has κοινωνία). I have gone through the King James Version and found it uses the following words, which I place in order of frequency:
 * partake/partaker: Mt 23:30, Rm 11:17, Rm 15:27, 1 Co 9:23, 1 Co 10:18, 2 Co 1:7, Ph 1:7, 1 Tm 5:22, Heb 2:14, 1 P 4:13, 1 P 5:1, 2 P 1:4, 1 Jn 1:3, 1 Jn 1:6, 1 Jn 1:7, 2 Jn 1:11, Rv 18:4
 * fellowship: Ac 2:42, 1 Co 1:9, 1 Co 10:20, 2 Co 6:14, 2 Co 8:4, Ga 2:9, Ep 3:9, Ep 5:11, Ph 1:5, Ph 2:1, Ph 3:10
 * communicate/communication: Ga 6:6, Ph 4:14, Ph 4:15, 1 Tm 6:18, Phm 1:6, Heb 13:16
 * partner: Lk 5:10, 2 Co 8:23, Phm 1:17
 * communion: 1 Co 10:16, 2 Co 13:24
 * companion: Heb 10:33, Rv 1:9
 * distribute/distribution: Rm 12:13, 2 Co 9:13
 * contribution: Rm 15:26

What is wrong with using the word "communion"? It is the word most used nowadays for the bond connecting Christians as individuals and Churches. We usually speak of "the Anglican communion", not "the Anglican community" or "the Anglican fellowship". Do we normally speak of Churches as being "in full community" or "in full fellowship", rather than "in full communion"? Those other expressions are possible, but unusual. The usual term is what should appear in the title.

"Communion (bond between Christians)" seems to be the most accurate title for this article.

I submit that it is nonsense to suggest that this article should be merged with the article on the Eucharist. The bond and the sacrament are two quite distinct, though not unrelated, matters.

In this regard, why is the category to which the Eucharist article is assigned still called Communion, when all the articles in the category (and also the symbol of bread and chalice) concern the sacrament, not the bond?

Lima 06:44, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

i looked at the the page communion(christian) and i thought it was odd to state it as Eucharistic usage —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.34.251.230 (talk • contribs)

New Testament
I have a question concerning the number of times it's used in the NT. The Koinokia page quotes it as 19 times in most Greek NTs, while this page quotes it as 43 verses. Is that perhaps because it's used multiple times in a verse? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.33.133.183 (talk) 19:45, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The noun κοινωνία (koinonia) presumably appears 19 time in the New Testament. This article lists instances not only of that word but also of its adjectival and verbal forms ("having communion" and "to have communion").  Esoglou (talk) 20:32, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Koinonia in Septuagint S-2842 Lev. 6:2; S-2841 2Chr. 20:35-37, Job 34:8, Prov. 1:11, Ecc.9:4, Is. 44:9; S-2844 2Ki. 17:11, Prov. 28:24, Is. 1:23, Mal. 2:14. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.70.152.4 (talk) 16:41, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Hot Stop talk-contribs 04:00, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Communion (Christian) → Communion (word) – This article is not about any one meaning of communion, and is mostly linguistic. The current disambiguator accomplishes nothing, because most/all meanings of "communion" have to do with Christianity (see Communion). See for examples of articles with "word" as a disambiguator. JFH (talk) 19:01, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This is not a dictionary, and needs to be only about one meaning, and seems to be only about the Christian form of communion, and not, for example, discourse. There is though, a great deal of confusion between this article and Eucharist, such that reading both it is difficult to learn what communion actually is. Apteva (talk) 19:59, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I suppose the article could be about "interpersonal bonds" (I didn't see the hatnote before). Would Communion (interpersonal bond) work? --JFH (talk) 20:50, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Comment exactly what do you want to do with "word" ? -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 22:53, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, when I read the article, I get a lot of information about the word "communion" and its predecessors, and very little about any particular meaning of the word. I want the artice title to reflect the subject of the article. It starts with "The term communion", and then fails to give a definition. I also want people looking for Eucharist to not get confused and end up here. -JFH (talk) 00:42, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Oppose strongly. Communion (Christian) is about a specific bond between Christian individuals and groups, not about similar bonds in general; nor is it directly about the word "communion", although it must explain the origin of the specific meaning of that word when applied to a bond between Christians. The article Communion (disambiguation) corresponds to what perhaps most people would expect from an article on "Communion (word)".  Esoglou (talk) 07:43, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Then Communion (Christian bond). Communion (Christian) is terribly ambiguous and easily confused with Eucharist. --JFH (talk) 11:15, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't object to actuation of this new proposal, if it gains support. But I don't see it as necessary.  The article states: "In a special way the term communion is applied to sharing in the Eucharist by partaking of the consecrated bread and wine, an action seen as entering into a particularly close relationship with Christ."  "Communion (Christian)" includes Holy Communion, is not something distinct from it.  Esoglou (talk) 11:27, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Whether or not communion as a "bond" includes the rite, it doesn't address the ambiguity problem. If a broad topic includes another topic, the "subtopic" is still distinct and needs to be referred to in a way which makes it clear what is being talked about. Participants in this discussion should feel free to support any alternatives which come up during the discussion. --JFH (talk) 22:53, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose – This is not a dictionary. --Article editor (talk) 03:07, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
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Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: Do not move to Communion (Christian bond). There may be consensus for other possible titles, but it's not clear from this discussion. B2C 00:17, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Communion (Christian) → Communion (Christian bond) – The current title is very ambiguous; every other common meaning of the word has something to do with Christianity. During the last RM the lead was clarified, and it seems the article is supposed to be about the bond uniting Christians with one another. I would think the article was about the Lord's Supper based on the title. It is true that the Lord's Supper is an expression of the bond uniting Christians, but it is not the same thing, hence the need for this article. Relisted. BDD (talk) 16:05, 25 July 2013 (UTC) JFH (talk) 16:27, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. Red Slash 06:48, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Query. It strikes me that "bond" is quite ambiguous.  To make clear that here it has nothing to do with the financial meaning - "Russian bonds" ... "Jewish bonds" (?), "Christian bonds" (?) - would it be better to say "Communion (bond between Christians)"?  Esoglou (talk) 10:20, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * No, I think the title is now too descriptive. --Article editor (talk) 23:46, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Move to Communion (Christianity). "Bond" is over-precise; "communion" usually just means either A) The Lord's Supper, or B) Other congregations / churches a specific church is working with or cooperating with.  e.g. "the Xians are in full communion with the Yians and consider the Yians sacraments, priests/ministers, etc. valid as Xian."  Neither of these are well-described by "bond," though that's part of it.  THe current article obscures that a bit actually.  That said, "Christian" is weird, so use the religion's name itself as the disambiguator. SnowFire (talk) 09:21, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree that communion usually means the things you mentioned, and that's the problem. We already have Eucharist for A and full communion for B. The article proposes another, related concept, and the title needs to distinguish that concept from A and B if the article is to continue to exist. Please see WP:PRECISE. --JFH (talk) 14:12, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Support Snowfire's proposal. This minimal change may perhaps be just enough to overcome fear of confusion with "the Lord's Supper"/"Eucharist".  Insistence on precision would favour "Communion (bond between Christians)" rather than "Communion (Christian bond)", which is not quite precise, and which can be seen as "too descriptive" in comparison to both "Communion (Christian)" and "Communion (Christianity)".  "Christianity", in place of "Christian", directs thought, I think, to the whole body of Christians, rather than to a rite that they perform.  Esoglou (talk) 17:51, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "Christianity" just sounds like the subject or context (see the second bullet under WP:NCDAB #2). So I would assume we are talking about communion in the context of Christianity, and that doesn't help me any, because every article we have on communion is in that context. "Christianity" would be preferred to "Christian", since we should avoid adjectives, but I don't think it's an improvement on my concern regarding confusion with other articles. I kind of doubt, by the way, that anyone will think we're referring to a financial instrument, since I'm not aware of such a "Christian bond", but I have no problem with "bond between Christians". --JFH (talk) 18:23, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I can also support a move to Communion (Christianity); I still oppose the move to Communion (Christian bond). --Article editor (talk) 19:37, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * (Minor point) There are many "Christian bond"s other than communion: those established by the sacrament of marriage, religious profession ... Esoglou (talk) 20:30, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Which is why it would be Communion (Christian bond) and not just Christian bond. It is a generic class disambiguator (see WP:NCDAB). This is something called "communion" which is a type of Christian bond, just as mercury is a type of element. --JFH (talk) 00:09, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment. I too am fine with "Christian fellowship" to be clear, since it seems that's what this article wants to actually talk about.  (Although if the article is not moved to "Christian fellowship", I still support "Communion (Christianity)" as the next best alternative.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SnowFire (talk • contribs)

 * Comment. As someone unfamiliar with this, I'm not sure what the article is even supposed to be about. Seems a very fuzzy, non-encyclopedic concept. Why isn't this Christian fellowship (which oddly redirects to the scholarly Greek term koinonia) or ecumenism? It seems to me that the topic of this article may actually be the misdirected "Christian fellowship". Cynwolfe (talk) 13:53, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Good point. I think the title of this article should be changed to "Communion (Christian fellowship)", much clearer and less ambiguous than linking it with any variation of "bond".  Esoglou (talk) 14:41, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * If so, would "Christian fellowship" become a dab? For this article, koinonia, and possibly other concept translated as "fellowship" in the Christian realm. Cynwolfe (talk) 15:39, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it could best be a redirect to the "Communion (Christian fellowship)" article, and the "Communion (Christian fellowship)" article could treat of κοινωνία (what it meant in the New Testament and before) only in summary fashion, leaving the main presentation to the Koinonia article. "Communion" (with which are associated the terms "full communion", "partial communion") puts the stress on present-day Christian fellowship.  "Communion of saints" too is a concept that, I think, grew up as Latin communio sanctorum, not as Greek κοινωνία τῶν ἁγίων and is thus associated with this article, not with that on κοινωνία.  Esoglou (talk) 17:04, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Christian fellowship actually seems like the best title for this article (kind of ashamed I didn't think of that). I don't think it's very likely anyone looking for "Christian fellowship" is looking for an article on the Greek word "Koinonia" (surely that article is on a word). Koinonia could be hatnoted from Christian fellowship. Anyway, I'd support either Christian fellowship or Communion (Christian fellowship), and I prefer both of them to Communion (Christian bond). --JFH (talk) 22:55, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Good. "Communion (Christian fellowship)" is the better of the two names that you say you would support.  As hinted above, I think "communion" is the most frequently used term for this concept, rather than "Christian fellowship", which, rather than a commonly used term, is instead an explanatory phrase.  Esoglou (talk) 10:36, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Support Christian fellowship. "Communion" is always going to primarily mean the Eucharist in a Christian context, and I don't like Communion (Christian fellowship) for its redundancy. Hat to Koinonia per JFH, or even merge it with this article. --BDD (talk) 16:33, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I wonder how you would then rewrite the paragraph that begins: "By metonymy, the term is used of a group of Christian Churches that have this close relationship of communion with each other. An example is the Anglican Communion." We can't really change to "... Churches that have this close relationship of Christian fellowship with each other".  Indeed, "Christian fellowship" is broader than that form of Christian fellowship that is known as "communion".   This, not Christian fellowship in general, is what the article is about.  Nobody would ask whether the Oriental Orthodox are in "Christian fellowship" with the Eastern Orthodox.  Many do ask whether the Oriental Orthodox are in "communion" with the Eastern Orthodox.  No, a move to "Christian fellowship" would not be appropriate.  Esoglou (talk) 19:42, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not talking about banning "communion" from the article altogether. I just think it's a poor fit for the title because it isn't properly recognizable. By all means, we can explain it as an alternative term for the concept. --BDD (talk) 19:54, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the idea you're describing belongs in full communion. --JFH (talk) 01:36, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with BDD that "communion" should not be banned from the article. If it were, the whole article would consist of a single sentence: "The bond uniting Christians as individuals and groups with each other and with Jesus Christ is known as communion Christian fellowship".  However, if "communion" is kept, practically the only change in the article would be to start with "The bond uniting Christians as individuals and groups with each other and with Jesus Christ is known as communion Christian fellowship, a closer form of which is called communion", with the rest of the article left perhaps unchanged, certainly with no need to mention "Christian fellowship" again.  The title "Christian fellowship" for such an article would be an inappropriate choice.  Esoglou (talk) 06:16, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Support move to Communion (Christianity) - per SnowFire. --MicroX (talk) 04:12, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Please note that SnowFire recently indicated support for "Christian fellowship". --JFH (talk) 13:24, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Communion is actually one of the most fundamental tenets of Christianity. From the Latin cum - with and unio- unity. it speaks of the union of Christ with his Church and of all its members with each other. It is a profoundly theological term, widely used, especially in Roman Catholic theology. The sacramental term 'communion' is intimately connected with this idea, but is distinct. So the term should not be dismissed.Gazzster (talk) 08:18, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Unless I missed something, nobody has voiced opposition to the proposal to move to "Communion (Christianity)", although some give it only their second preference. Proposals to move to "Communion (Christian bond)" or "Christian fellowship" or "Communion (Christian fellowship)" have all met opposition.  Esoglou (talk) 17:16, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Comment - withdrawing support from discussion. Though I have to ask: does this topic satisfy WP:GNG? Almost seems like WP:SYNTH. The first inline citation leads nowhere relevant. The second inline citation leads to a Word Document which says that it is still in "draft form" and "any comments and ideas are welcome" (WP:OR?). The third and final citation is just the search for the words "Communion" and "Fellowship" in the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (WP:SYNTH?) and the second external link is a dead link. The first external link is the definition of the word fellowship in the New Testament. The third external link seems like the most relevant but it isn't an inline citation. --MicroX (talk) 02:40, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
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Notability
Per the comment immediately above at the end of the RM, I have added a notability tag. Where are the sources for this? Citing some would be good. Dicklyon (talk) 01:02, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't understand on what grounds the notability of an idea that is so widely discussed can be questioned. The two inline citations (about the origin of the term and about the range of meanings of the Greek word κοινωνία) that MicroX commented on are unrelated to the notability of the idea.  There is no point in counting Google hits for the single word "communion", but perhaps there is in seeing what publications come up in a Google Books search for phrases such as "idea of communion" and "communion between churches".  Esoglou (talk) 07:53, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Aspects
There is some wording in the Aspects section which appears suspect. First I will quote the passage in question, then relate the two following verses:

quote, "This relationship is generally understood to extend not only to those still in earthly life, but also to those who have gone past death to be "at home with the Lord" (2 Corinthians 5:8)."

1 Corinthians 15:31 - "I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily."

2 Corinthians 5:8 - "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."

These verses are necessarily talking about what the symbolism of baptism has done for us, dying to the flesh and rising in the spirit through living by faith (1 Peter 3:21). We call down and carry the Holy Spirit by renewing our minds daily with prayer and study (Romans 12:2, 2 Timothy 2:15); this allows us to live obediently after the example of Christ instead of as slaves to sin. Additionally - unless we are one of the 24 translated elders (Revelation 4:10-11) - our spirit beyond death does not go "home with the Lord" until the resurrection (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, Revelation 20:4-5); rather, evidence points to the dead knowing nothing and sleeping while in the grave (Daniel 12:2, John 11:11-24, Ecclesiastes 9:5). It's a bit silly to think that when we die our spirit goes to Heaven, then at the resurrection we get taken from Heaven and put back in our bodies so that we can go back to Heaven. When Jesus ascended to the Father, He took His body with Him; when the elders were translated, they likewise took their bodies with them (Genesis 5:24, 2 Kings 2:11, Hebrews 11:5). Our dry bones are made a living soul only when we have breath in our nostrils (Genesis 2:7, Ezekiel 37:4-6). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vapur9 (talk • contribs) 18:47, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The statement in the article is about how the communion of saints is generally understood, not about the correctness or otherwise of this general understanding. The statement is securely sourced and I have rephrased it to make it yet clearer.  Esoglou (talk) 18:54, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

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Cerrca

Cerrca or Crnce (Црнце) is a village in Kosovo, 2 km south of the town of Istog.

Geography
This village of approximately 300 households is located in north-west Kosovo on the border with Serbia.

Demographics
Except for a few exceptions, the whole population of Cerrcë are defined as Muslims of Albanian ethnicity. The inhabitants of this village speak Albanian in the Gheg dialect of the language.

Economy
Crnce has approximately 766 residents of working age. Of these, 231 people describe themselves as having some sort of regular cash income. Construction work and public-sector jobs are the two greatest sources of income. The commercial agriculture and industrial sectors in Crnce have largely collapsed. Family farms are presently producing almost exclusively for their own consumption, and only two Crnce farmers report owning more than ten cows. Part of the agricultural decline is believed to be an effect of the former socialist cooperatives no longer supporting farmers with the purchase of inputs or the marketing of produce. There was a construction boom in the first few years after the war in 1999 when 90 percent of the houses in Crnce were destroyed. The largest local construction company, employing 12 people, was launched in 2000. The remainder of the private sector consists of family-run shops, taxis, and other micro-enterprises.

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Talk:Young Fine Gael

Co-Opt / Re-Shuffle
Added the co-opt and re-shuffle that took place for Frankie Mulqueen to be given a new position on the exec. All the best, Kevin. --194.46.229.69 (talk) 12:38, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Untitled
can someone please insert the YFG logo as i cant! :( Wild ride 14:58, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

I added a logo and a picture of party founder. Is that alright? I also added the links to some of the largest branches. Connected to the UCC link, I have written quite a bit about that University branch.UCC YFG. 104066481 22:08, 09 May 2006 (UTC)

UCD YFG - Branch Histories
Okay i removed the UCD History stuff it ruined the page and created a page for it [University College Dublin YFG]]. If people want to add their branch histories please creat new pages and keep this clean! Thank You --Wild ride 17:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Deletions
University College Cork YFG and University College Dublin YFG are posted on Articles for Deletion - listings are here and here.

For my part, I've suggested merging into this page (rather than flat out deletion).

zoney ♣ talk 08:55, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

New Logo
I have placed the new YFG logo up on the page. The image is in the public domain and I'm sure is subject to fair use. I had to replace the old logo anyway. --104066481 (talk) 22:38, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Reliability
Please note the is the main source for a vast majority of material herein discussed. Please note that this is a reliable source and is maintained by the national executive of Young Fine Gael.

--104066481 (talk) 00:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I have added references for much of the materials on the wiki article, and most are based off of commentary from the RTE website. I presume that this makes the article more reliable. --104066481 (talk) 21:30, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Abortion
I have no problem with the article mentioning the organisations stance on this topic. However, the claim is uncited the Journal.ie article is old and the Indo one makes no reference to YFG at all. Finnegas (talk) 17:15, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Ideology
The edits were made by a left wing troll impersonating DecMeenagh and the account is now banned. In addition, no sources were provided so I'm going to revert the article to its original form. Finnegas (talk) 22:19, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

 * I've no idea who DecMeenagh is or who might be impersonating him, but the account is "blocked as a precaution", not banned. In addition, his edits were correct. And you've provided no sources. A party or grouping that has voted to take no stance on an issue such as the forthcoming abortion rights referendum cannot be described as "liberal conservative". Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 22:27, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Oh, now that's mature... /sigh. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 22:43, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Controversies
There was a number of problems with this paragraph, 1. A paragraph repeating an allegation, potentially defamatory, that a party member had stolen party funds. This was was from 2013 and was only referenced to a student newspaper at a university hardly a reliable source. 2. The Lara Kunsenberg incident was not a conterversory. Political opponents criticise their opponents stances all the time. 3. The organisation voting against entering government is not a conterversory and is referenced already in the page. 4. The YAF Conference. I removed the name of an individual who wasn't in a leadership role in the organisation and their exact title, the only other changes give the readers some context as what the conference was about. To conclude just because details or events were worthy of including in an newspaper article at the time doesn't mean they are sufficiently noteworthy to include in the page let alone the Controversies section. Finnegas (talk) 19:23, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi and thanks for taking this here, and moderating and explaining the edits.  1) is reasonable, and this old item now arguably falls below the standard both to appear, and indeed the reference is borderline (though sometimes internal and student newspapers can be a limited secondary sort of source, and sometimes the only place a point is captured). 2) is a fair point, should have come out, and 3) should definitely be mentioned, but probably not in this section, indeed.  Overall, I think this section is better now - but should someone try to remove it, as a different editor attempted, that will be reverted, as some controversies are normal and relevant (but many do indeed "age out"). SeoR (talk) 22:18, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Looking at it with my reviewer glasses on, what is an issue is that the article is light on what should be there overall - so the controversies can seem heavy. But the problem is really that it lacks proper coverage of history, strategy and positions, governance, finance, a decent "notable alumni" section, etc. I hope someone can beef it up a bit, and would look forward to being able to rate it higher on the quality scale. SeoR (talk) 22:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with your point about Student Newspapers being a potentially useful source in some scenarios, but not when the allegation is as serious as this. Finnegas (talk) 23:35, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

 * Agreed, some controversies do "age out". But while I try to always WP:AGF. when someone removes referenced content with no edit summary, then reverts after restoration, again with no edit summary, the first conclusion I jump to isn't "oh, they're improving the article." Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 11:56, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

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User:Innovators

Hi , Every big thing as a small start, right now even this is going to be one of that kind. this place is going to be a place where ppl of same attitude going to blog on there ideas and "innovate" new things, with plan and process followed.

Welcoming one and all.

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Teman (Edom)

Teman (תימן), was the name of an Edomite clan and of its eponym, according to the Bible, and an ancient biblical town of Arabia Petraea. The term is also traditionally used in Biblical Hebrew as the synonym of the direction South and was applied to being used as the Hebrew name of Yemen (whose Arabic name is "Yaman") due to its location in the Southern end of the Arabian Peninsula, thus making Yemenite Jews being called "Temanim" in Hebrew.

In the Book of Genesis,, the name Teman is referred to a son of Eliphaz, Esau's eldest son. Job's friend Eliphaz is said to have been from Teman. .

Location
According to bibleatlas.org and author W. Ewing, Teman or te'-man (תימן) means "on the right," i.e. "south" (Thaiman) and it is the name of a district and town in the land of Edom, named after Teman the grandson of Esau, the son of his firstborn, Eliphaz. A duke Teman is named among the chiefs or clans of Edom. He does not however appear first, in the place of the firstborn. Husham of the land of the Temanites was one of the ancient kings of Edom. From Book of Obadiah we gather that Teman was in the land of Esau (Edom). In Book of Amos it is named along with Bozrah, the capital of Edom.

In the Book of Ezekiel desolation is pronounced upon Edom: "From Teman even unto Dedan shall they fall by the sword." From this it has been argued that Dedan (modern Arabic Al-`Ula) being in the south, Teman must, therefore, be in the north. But this does not automatically follow. Dedan is in fact in northern Arabia, being related to the peoples of Asshur or Assyria and other northern tribes. It is mentioned in proximity to Teman ; and when judgment is pronounced on Edom, the people of Dedan are warned to stay back; that is, to retreat into the desert. This understanding of Dedan is consistent with a southern Teman.

 * "Say to my lord, are you well? I have bless you by YHWH of Teman and His Asherah. May He bless you and may He keep you, and mya He be with my lord forever." From Kuntillet Ajrud (Horvat Teman)

Eusebius' Onomasticon knows a district in the Gebalene region called Theman, and also a town with the same name, occupied by a Roman garrison, 15 miles from Petra. Unfortunately no indication of direction is given. No trace of the name has yet been found. It may have been on the road from Elath to Bozrah. The inhabitants of Teman seem to have been famous for their wisdom (Jeremiah, Book of Obadiah ). Eliphaz the Temanite was chief of the comforters of Job (, etc.). The manner in which the city is mentioned by the prophets, now by itself, and again as standing for Edom, shows how important it must have been in their time.

According to some biblical scholars and commentators Teman was a city in the Land of Uz. In "The Comprehensive Commentary on the Holy Bible" it is written: "Throughout almost the whole of Hebrew history Uz or Idumea was regarded by the Jews in the same light of elegance and accomplishment, as Greece by the Romans, and Teman, the native city of Eliphaz, as the Athens of Arabia Petrea".

The Jewish Encyclopedia points out that the biblical genealogy and the references of the name "Teman": "proves that Teman was one of the most important of the Edomite tribes, and this is confirmed by the fact that "Teman" is used as a synonym for Edom itself (Amos i. 12; Obad. 9; comp. Jer. xlix. 20, 22; Hab. iii. 3). The Temanites were famed for their wisdom (Jer. xlix. 7; Baruch iii. 22)".

The exact location of Teman remains unknown, but there is a possibility that if the city of Teman ever existed as a more permanent location of shepherds during the time of Job, present-day Ma'an (معان) in Jordan could be its successor. The possible location of Teman given by bibleatlas.org is in the vicinity of the Jordanian town Ma'an.

There is other strong evidence that Teman could be identified in the site of the modern Ma'an. There is some information that says that the state which emerged in the south of the Arabian Peninsula in Yemen during the year 1200 BC extended its influence in the north and made the city of Ma'an a commercial and political center. The city acquired a gloss because of the abundance of its waters and this is true because we can assume it from the large number of springs and their ongoing. That time any residential community surrounded by a desert was built around water sources. The glitter of the site could be interpreted by its position as it became a stop of migratory convoys between the Arabian Peninsula and the Levant which were going there due to their need for the supply of water and food and to take a rest.

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Talk:2005 Bali bombings

sources?
Where is the source for 19 dead? Add the source please. --Vsion 15:05, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

 * (Associated Press) - Mailer Diablo 15:18, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I saw that already, Thanks. --Vsion 15:30, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I would suggest that, any update in the casualty figure must be accompanied by sources, otherwise, it shall be reverted as considered non-verified. This will reduce confusion in other contributors. --Vsion 15:38, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Lets just hope the figure cease to rise. Slivester 15:40, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, given that the numbers may be confusing at this time. - Mailer Diablo 15:58, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

 * 23 dead now : Source http://smh.com.au/news/world/deadly-blasts-rip-through-bali-again/2005/10/01/1127804697690.html
 * bad news, Xinhuanet, reports 30 dead --Vsion 16:27, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The blast in Kuta is quite very near to the hotel I lived in while I was there for my Art field trip in June. Quite disgusted to find that beautiful island attacked again. Slivester 00:12, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * later Xinhuanet report reverts back to 25 --Vsion 03:08, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

link
"Jemaah Islamiah, an organation linked to Al-Qaeda"

Should we say exactly what that link is? Ojw 16:50, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * That would be a good idea, sure. Mention also that they're a terrorist organization, which intends to establish a theocracy in Indonesia.
 * Is/was Riduan Isamuddin, aka Hambali, a major part of the link? Andjam 23:51, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Ummm.... "People from this region deserve death"
Just at the bottom of the page. . . in the "Suspects" section.... there is a line which reads "People from this region deserve death, so it doesn't matter"....

Which is just a TAD disturbing!

Can someone fix this?

EDIT: Someone just did. Thanks :D

Can someone find out which JI member said the above sentence? Sounds like JI propaganda to me, should help alot in affirming the motives of the terrorist group in this action.Thankies.
 * Keep an eye on User:24.174.101.3, s/he's vandalised a couple of pages today. Cnwb 00:37, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Marriott Hotel bombing article
Is there currently a wikipedia article on the 2003 Marriott Hotel bombing in Jakarta? Andjam 03:08, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Nope. Feel free to make one. PBP 03:20, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

 * That's odd. There should have been one, it was a fairly important event. Battle Ape 04:53, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Photos of suspects
I think the inclusion of photos of suspects is innappropriate. I think the photos should be withheld until someone claims responsibility. Cnwb 06:49, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * No-one has claimed responsibility for any of the terrorist attacks in Indonesia over the last four years, and it is unlikely they will for this incident. JI still claims to be a legitimate organisation and is not recognised as a terrorist organisation in Indonesia as of yet (but is in Australia and the United States). Neither have resolute connexions been established between those convicted in events past and JI. Thus, it appears speculation is all we have. However, I see no problem with including the image if it pertains to persons suspected by legitimate authorities of involvment.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 06:57, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed with Cyberjunkie. Those guys are suspects wanted by authorities and the photos are presented as such. We, as editors, do not make any judgement or speculation ourselves. If there is still objection to the inclusion, please state the reason clearly. --Vsion 07:09, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry; my words sounded more demanding than intended. I haven't got a serious objection to the inclusion of the photos, and certainly don't intend on pushing the point. I was just trying to say that something about it didn't 'sit right' with me. I should have chosen my words more wisely, or even refrained from mentioning it. Cnwb 08:02, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, from the news events covered in the South East Asia region, it seems like the Indonesian government is pointing fingers at JI again.Gammadion 06:35, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

WP:ITN
If there are any administrator editors to this article, could they replace the gorilla image on WP:ITN with one related to the bombings, since it is the lead story. Suggested replacements are either Image:2005 Bali bombings SCTV screenshot.jpg or Image:Bali blast 2005.jpg, or even Image:Indonesia flag large.png. My requests on ITN-related pages have gone un-noticed thus far.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 07:19, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

"international terrorism is a global threat"
Masaka!?

Timing of attack
When I read "The bombings occurred the same day that Indonesia cut its fuel subsidies resulting in gas prices rising by 125%", I thought "Man, they take fuel prices even more seriously than us Aussies do!". But the person who added this had in edit comments "(fuel prices -- one, two punch)", presumably suggesting that the terrorists were hoping that the economic damage of the attack would co-incide with the hardship caused by fuel price rise. Just noting this in case anyone else is wondering over the phrase. Andjam 03:20, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I read it as meaning the Indonesians had a particularly unfortunate Saturday: first, a fuel price hike; second, a brutal terrorist attack. I didn't think it meant the terrorists blew themselves up to correspond with the hike; that was an economically unfortunate coincidence.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 03:25, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm the user who added the bit about the fuel price increase. Andjam's reading of the meaning of my edit summary is what I intended. The fuel price subsidy cut has been expected for some time with considerable apprehension among the Balinese (and, presumably, other Indonesians), and it was known that the exact cut in the subsidy would be announced that day — so those behind the bombs knew when the "first punch" was landing. I did not added any of this to the article... thoughts? Also, This was the 40th aniversary (off by about 18 hours, actually early morning hours of Oct 1, 1965) of "The Night of the Generals" — see: History of Indonesia. — Davenbelle 03:49, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * The price hike is a major issue in Indonesia, with considerable discontent. There were initial speculations that the bombings were linked to opposition of these price hikes. Now that the bombings are tied to other previous bombings by JI in Bali and Jakarta; apparently the JI scheduled it on the day of the price hike for significance. Remember the modus operandi: the London metro bombings happened the same day as the G8 summit. --Vsion 07:19, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Please Remove
The last external link refers to XXX page! (link to ogrish deleted by Andjam) Wic2020 04:50, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Is linking to XXX against wikipedia policy, or just a bad idea? Andjam 05:00, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The linked site is a deliberately ghoulish collection of extremely graphic material, the subject of debate about whether it should be shown or not. National and state laws vary around the world about whether such content may be shown. Personally I would rather not see any link to that site unless it is in context, because the public debate is about the merits of providing such content, so linking to it might be seen as taking a stance. If it is linked, I suggest it should follow the tentative guidelines for potentially shocking images. Tale 05:49, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It seems that the above link is related to the 2002 bombing, not the current event. So there is no issue here for removing the link. As for the video clip, I would prefer it be linked to a news media website instead; will try to find one. --Vsion 07:26, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * If the problem were only that it was the wrong bombing, the solution would have been to move it to the 2002 Bali bombing page. Andjam 08:35, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Question
Was the high proportion of Indonesian deaths relative to other groups most likely due mainly to the relatievly intuitive fact that the largest proportion of diners and other people in the area would most likely be locals, with tourists comprising a relatively small segment of the people in the area at the time? --Dpr 06:21, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. In the 2002 attacks, for example, more Australians were killed and injured than Indonesians. The areas targetted, particularly Jimbaran, are places where Westerners congregate, so there's always a chance they will be disproportionate to the local population. On this occassion, it appears they were not.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 06:34, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Some of the tourists were affluent Jakartans. The fish-serving warungs are in all the guide books. — Davenbelle 06:59, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the info, all! (I originally had conspiracy theories dancing in my head.) --Dpr 07:03, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * It just turned out this way. In one of the blasts at a restaurant/cafe, the bomber walked right between two tables with large groups of diners before detonation. Those two groups happened to be Indonesians. The planner or bomber chose to inflict the maximum damage, regardless of nationalities. --Vsion 07:09, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * The blast photo I added before was from a restaurant with a pretty varied group of diners. This Image:2005 Bali Terror-blast2.JPG shows more clearly. Those further from the blast were Westerners. It really was as Vsion indicated: an attack designed to kill. --Cyberjunkie | Talk 07:16, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

"Affluent Jakartans" are usually government people and the view here (Bali) is that radical Muslims have targeted Indonesia because it is steers a more moderate course. They want to bring down the government and cut-off the tourist money. The Balinese (Hindus) are caught in the middle. Also, in addition to Ramadan starting, the Balinese holiday of Galungan starts Wednesday Oct 5 and runs for ten days. — Davenbelle 07:24, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * With regards to the Balinese holiday, I've heard some people say that it has fueled conspiracy theories about some people knowing in advance. Andjam 08:38, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't see the connection. The Balinese are busily preparing huge offerings and building tall penjars (currently redlinked, mebbe I'll take a photo in a few days). — Davenbelle 08:59, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Well if Indonesians, i.e. here being Jakartans/government people, perhaps the target was not haphazard, but was equally or more so aimed at Indonesians than tourists. As far as the theory of "inflicting maximum damage," it seems sound, but do we really have any way of knowing for sure why the bombers detonated their explosives at the exact places that they did? Also, I'm confused too about Andjam's comment--what exactly do you mean? --Dpr 02:01, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Jimbaran: These little restaurants have *no* security — they often don't even have doors or walls — you just walk right in. The upmarket hotels do have security and the warungs are full of those out for the evening.
 * Kuta: Kuta is bigger and more alcohol and club oriented, and it's very big with the Australians. Half the people who visit Bali go no farther than Kuta.
 * "Conspiracy theories": Ones getting a lot of talk here are the idea that this was a distraction from the fuel price increase (there were tyre-burning riots in Jakarta), and that opposition political forces (Megawati Sukarno) were in the know.
 * Yeah, the Jakartans were just as "legitimate" targets. The Balinese killed were most likely wait-staff.
 * — Davenbelle 06:35, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Names of the dead
Some people have been named as being killed by the bombings. Should they be listed somewhere (perhaps on a separate page)? Andjam 10:46, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * There is a list in the Bahasa Indonesia wikipedia page (currently of 15 people). I'm not sure about including it here, maybe a subpage instead if it is an officially verified list. --Vsion 10:57, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm inclined to think it's inappropriate. What's the practice on Wikipedia: that is, what have we done with information on the victims of 9/11, the London bombings etc? We must remember that Wikipedia is not a memorial. Additionally, some may find it offensive (ie, loved one's).--Cyberjunkie | Talk 15:17, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Bad idea. — Davenbelle 06:40, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I wasn't intending it as a memorial, just a resource people could look up to confirm that someone they know isn't in the list. I also assumed that if certain names should not be mentioned (if relatives hadn't yet been informed), they wouldn't be mentioned by the mainstream media. Andjam 12:23, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Shocking images
Since there has been some trouble with linking graphic images with this article, just as the controversy to Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi edits concerning the dilemma of whether or not showing his deceased face would be a good idea, I placed a warning banner at the top of the section, before the faces of the dead are shown. -- Ottokarf 3:49, 10 june, 2006

Reaction
There are an awful lot of statements from various politicians around the world, and they really don't add much to the article. Wouldn't it be better to summarize? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.170.224.208 (talk • contribs).
 * Or alternatively move it to a new page? Chovain 14:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

The same?
This article appears to have been ripped more or less straight from this site: http://www.answers.com/topic/2005-bali-bombings Krummy2 09:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No - I think you will find it is the other way around. Answers.com is a mirror site of wikipedia - ie, they 'rip off' wikipedia content. But that is OK - wikipedia content is 'free'. Why not check other topics - you will see they are similar. Merbabu 13:10, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

OK I dont think that it is a problem, many thanks, --Krummy2 09:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Miscount on the number of deaths?
I understand that nearly 200 people were killed in these bombings, yet the page says only 20 + the 3 murderers. Should the count be updated/corrected? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * 202 were killed in the 2002 Bali bombing --Merbabu 05:34, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

"International section" is of dubious worth. Delete?
With all due respect to its authors, 2005_Bali_bombings is not very encyclopedic. Rather, it is a collection of political press releases. I mean, one fully expects that the bombings were condemned by every state dept in the world. That could be said in a sentence, rather than enumerating all of their nearly-identical statements. I nominate this section for deletion, to help get the article up to standard. --Smilo Don 18:26, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Still hoping for comments here. Seems to me the whole section should go.  --Smilo Don 19:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to agree with you but it would be valuable to get the opinion of whoever initially put them there. They must have had some reasoning, particularly as there is apparently a lot of effort in the referencing. --Merbabu 01:40, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No harm in waiting a while, but it would be nice to see someone explain the rationale for keeping it. I suspect their reasoning, but I'm inclined to disparage the list.  What's the WP protocol? How long do we wait, if no one comes along? --Smilo Don 19:07, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If you ask politely on talk (like here) no will say anything. Remove it, and watch everyone scream. lol. --Merbabu 21:59, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * PS, it could probably go into some footnote form. I'll look into that. --22:01, 18 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Merbabu (talk • contribs)

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typo? " in gas prices rising by 675%" someone mentioned  125%
125% sounds about right.

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Daniel Sjölund

Henrik Daniel "Daja" Sjölund (born 22 April 1983) is a Finnish football coach and a former footballer who played as a midfielder. Sjölund is currently working as an assistant coach of Veikkausliiga club IFK Mariehamn. He is best remembered for his stints with Djurgårdens IF and IFK Norrköping. He won 37 caps for the Finland national team.

Career
Daniel Sjölund was born in the municipality of Finström, based in Åland which is a Swedish-speaking autonomous region that belongs to Finland. Sjölund started his career at IF Finströms Kamraterna, when he was a child. Afterwards he went to IFK Mariehamn and IF Brommapojkarna, before being signed by West Ham at the age of just 16, after impressive displays for Finland's youth teams. In 2000 Liverpool manager Gérard Houllier agreed to pay £1 million for the talented forward in a deal that also saw Rigobert Song going the other way. After failing to get into the first team at Liverpool, Sjölund joined Djurgården for the 2003 season, first on loan and later on a permanent deal. He has won two Swedish championships and two Swedish Cups with Djurgården. The 2005 season finally saw Sjölund become a regular in the Djurgården team, and he scored seven goals in the league.

A regular for the Under-21s since the age of 17, Sjölund made his senior international debut for the Finnish national team on 22 May 2003 against Norway. Good performances in the 2005 season have seen him promoted to the senior team on a regular basis. Sjölund was also a part of the Finland squad at the 2001 FIFA World Youth Championship.

In September 2012 Sjölund played his 200th league game for Djurgården wearing a number 200 shirt. But only a couple of months later the club announced that they would not be extending his contract.

Sjölund signed with Åtvidabergs FF on 4 February 2013 and stayed with the club for two seasons. He signed a pre-contract with local rivals IFK Norrköping during the 2014 season, and joined the squad for the 2015 season.

Sjölund re-signed with IFK Mariehamn for the 2019 season. In mid October, it was announced that Sjölund had retired from football.

Sjölund returned to playing after less than a year of retirement, this time with Finnish fourth-tier club FC Åland.

Coaching career
In November 2021 Sjölund announced that he had signed a three-year contract to manage FC Åland. In September 2023, he was appointed as the assistant coach of Veikkausliiga club IFK Mariehamn for the rest of the 2023 season. After the season, his contract was extended for two more years for same position.

Personal information
His sister Annica Sjölund is also a Finnish international who competed in Women's Euro 2009.

Honours
Djurgårdens IF
 * Allsvenskan: 2003, 2005
 * Svenska Cupen: 2004, 2005

IFK Norrköping
 * Allsvenskan: 2015

Individual
 * Swedish Goal of the Year: 2005
 * Årets Järnkamin: 2008

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Washington Heritage Trail

The Washington Heritage Trail is a 136.0 mi National Scenic Byway through the easternmost counties of West Virginia's Eastern Panhandle. The trail forms a loop through the three counties and traces the footsteps of George Washington and the marks his family left in the Eastern Panhandle. In addition to homes and sites related to the Washingtons, the Washington Heritage Trail also includes various museums, historic districts, parks, and other sites of historic significance in the area.

Route description
The Washington Heritage Trail runs through Berkeley, Jefferson, and Morgan counties in the Eastern Panhandle of West Virginia. The western end is near Paw Paw where the trail follows West Virginia Route 9 (WV 9) east to Berkeley Springs. There, the trail splits into two branches. The southern branch follows U.S. Route 522 (US 522) and WV 51, and US 340 while the northern branch continues along WV 9, WV 480 and WV 230. The two branches rejoin west of Harpers Ferry and continue to the eastern end of the byway in that city.

History
The trail was named a National Scenic Byway on June 15, 2000. It is a West Virginia State Scenic Byway as well.

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Communist Reconstruction Party

Communist Reconstruction Party (in Albanian: Partia Komuniste e Rindertuar) was a communist party in Albania led by Rasi Brahimit. The party was legalized in 1998, the second communist party that was legally registered post-1991. On 5 June 1999 the party merged into the Party of United Communists of Albania (PKBSH).

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Samlah of Masrekah

Samlah was a king of Edom mentioned in the Hebrew Bible, in Genesis 36:31-43. He succeeded Hadad ben Bedad in the apparently elective kingship of the early Edomites. He is described as being from Masrekah. He was succeeded by Saul of Rehoboth.

The date of his reign is unknown.

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User talk:Eagleamn/Archive1

Qatif Fair Use
I can't find the original press release from Aramco, so there's no choice but to treat the newspaper article as the original source. In either case, I'm not sure how this falls under fair use. The wiki article seems to violate one of the key fair use tests: the majority of our content (~75% on quick scan) is taken from the original, copyrighted source. There are no hard and fast rules for fair use, but I don't think we can make a good-faith assumption that the current wiki usage is fair use. Feco 19:24, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Whatever. -- Eagleamn 21:20, May 28, 2005 (UTC)

Satellite photo
No, I haven't NASA satellite photos for these cities. But if I would find some I will upload it. -- Darwinek 19:01, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

CPC
Hey, I just recieved your message in my talk page. Sorry for the delay, as I am not really active in Wikipedia lately, but tell me, how is CPC nowadays? I was in CPC around 2000. I don't know how much it has changed, but it was almost the best year in my life. --Khalid 09:57, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I think things have changed a lot since you've been there (2000). Take a look: http://www.abccpp.com/ (I don't know if the CPC had this link when you were there, and by the way, Coach Brown is the webmaster.. so to speak!) -- Eagleamn 12:30, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)

Under Ash
I'm sorry, that was just a careless mistake. I've put up something I believe is more factual: ...or America's Army (a recruitment FPS produced by the United States Navy and published by the United States Army). Amerika 00:14, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Saudi Aramco
What information do you have in regards to Saudi Aramco's revenue, why is it undeclared?

Well, there are no reports or whatsoever that indicate revenue. And since there is no tax system in Saudi Arabia, Aramco simply doesn't have to declare any financial reports anyway. BTW, I have access to Aramco's intranet and I can get any "existing" reports, but there are none.

However, the revenue can be estimated:

1- Crude oil production (currently around 9.5 million) x 365 x oil price per barrel (currently about $50). 2- Associated gas (cubic meter)x price + sulfur (metric ton)x price + hydrocarbon condensate (barrels) x price.

The revenue of crude oil (item 1) is estimated to be around $173 billion. I would say the income of other products contribute just about the same. To sum up, the company revenue is perhaps somewhere around US$300±100 billion per year (oil price makes this figure fluctuate enormously from one year to another, oil prices jumped from US$5.00 (Arabian heavy) in 1998 to US$50.00 in 2005!). Interestingly enough, the budget of Saudi Arabia is US$50 billion, only 16% of Aramco's revenue, which I believe the reason why the revenue is undeclared, though anyone can estimate it roughly. It is definitely NOT US$50b.

Eagleamn 11:22, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

By country
Hi there! I found your userpage classified in - however, that isn't actually a category so it doesn't quite work that way. Please add your information to Wikipedians/Saudi_Arabia instead. Radiant_* 10:43, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

 * I already added my information to Wikipedians/Saudi_Arabia ! Thanks anyway. -- Eagleamn 11:12, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

Image source
Thank you for uploading Image:Dhahrantheater.jpg. Its copyright status is unclear, so it may have to be deleted. Please leave a note on the image page about the source of the image. Thank you. --AndreasPraefcke 19:46, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Arabic Spellcheck
Would you mind taking a look at my Arabic spelling of Khairallah Talfah? I tried to sound it out the best I cold, but my Arabic is so poor as to not even warrant an ar-1 tag at this point. --Jpbrenna 01:10, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Ghawar Oil Field
Did you figure out what the problem had been with the Ghawar Oil Field article? The same paragraph of text appeared in the article twice... The second copy of it appeared in the External Links section. I simply excised the second, redundant, misplaced copy. --AStanhope 14:45, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, my mistake. I have immediately erased my comment. -- Eagleamn 17:41, May 20, 2005 (UTC)

Today's Arab News
Did you have a chance to see the Green Truth today? Frank Gardner (journalist) who was shot in the head a year ago was going on and on about his fond memories of Saudi Arabia. Being as he was shot in the brain carrier assembly, he is in fact lucky to have any memories at all.

More to business, please feel free to rename the Insurgency page as you like. I do like the word "Timeline" however. Paul, in Saudi 12:00, 28 May 2005 (UTC)]]

 * That's interesting isn't it? Terror victims always tend to say good things about terrorists after their experience (if they get to live after it, that is). For example, Giuliana Sgrena thanked her captors in a video, and on the other hand, accused the American forces of deliberately firing at her vehicle. I claim (with no professional knowledge in psychology) that the shock continues afterwards that they believe terrorists can still hurt them.

 * Regarding the Insurgency in Saudi Arabia page, others have already voted not to move it, and an administrator removed the move template. I'm sure he didn't even read the article, just the move request. -- Eagleamn 20:34, May 28, 2005 (UTC)

Volume of large oil storage tanks
Hello fellow future geoscientist. I was wondering if you might know the volume of those large cylindrical oil storage tanks that are seen around refineries (tank farms). It appears to me there are two standard sizes (I think one is 120,000 barrels). I would like to put this information into the barrel article because it might help people visualize large volumes of oil mentioned in some articles. Google was not easy to navigate on this one. Thanks. --Csnewton 12:45, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

"The tank capacities vary depending on type, structure, fluid, and other factors. If you mean the tankage at Ras Tanura Terminal Tank Farms, then you have three different farms with different capacities." -- Eagleamn 10:04, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

Richard O'Keefe
I am suprised you put on Richard O'Keefe article. Unless I am horribly mistaken he is one of few known people who do development of logical languages for quite long time. Pavel Vozenilek 17:54, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I removed the deletion request a few minutes ago. -- Eagleamn 17:56, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

Vfd
I thought Vfd was for articles only, not re-directs. Georgia guy 16:21, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * What if it is an unreasonable redirect? -- Eagleamn 16:22, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I always thought there was Vfd for articles and Rfd for re-directs. Georgia guy 16:24, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, thanks. -- Eagleamn 16:27, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

When doing VfDs, please follow the instructions at [How to list pages for deletion], specially, use step 2 so the voting pages get a link back to the article and voters can see the article, and step 3 so it get listed in the appropiate page and thus people can actually see it. I've fixed Votes_for_deletion/Additiona_information_over_foreing_Commerce_and_Navigation and Votes_for_deletion/Comments_of_Japanese_Finanzesand added both to the page listing. drini ☎ 00:52, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ash Sharqiyah Province
I see you requested a move for this page (to Eastern Province, Saudi Arabia) and... well, I don't see any standard running throughout Wikipedia (see Province) so I don't have anything against the change... as long as all Saudi Arabia provinces are done under the same naming scheme. Although, I am not sure I understand why you want to use the English when others don't. For instance Al Hudud ash Shamaliyah apparently means "The Northern Border" (you speak Arabic, you could verify} and yet it uses the Arabic transliteration.  I think we should stick to the Arabic transliteration but the naming format you can change if you want to for all Saudi provinces. gren 18:12, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * That's exactly what I'm trying to do. There is no standard format for Saudi cities and provinces. I have finished moving all cities (removed the initial "al", even the Arabic Wikipedia discourages the use of "al" in titles and names, it's as awkward as naming an article "The White House" instead of "White House"). However, I was unable to move the Al-Khobar page to Khobar, same applies to the Eastern Province, Saudi Arabia article. -- Eagleamn 19:22, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok, I fixed Khobar, since it was already a redirect you can't just move it... so I switched manually... I would ask two things... 1) that you make sure there is a redirect page under the Al-Article-name article title so that those who know it under thatn name can find it... and 2) that int the intro you do "Al-Khobar" just like we have "The White House", since the definite article is commonly used. But, I agree with you on these issues...  For Eastern Province, Saudi Arabia I think we should keep the Arabic but remove the definite article, I don't see why we'd translate that and not attempt to translate everything else... gren 21:08, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

University of Edinburgh
Hmm, the photo looks the same to me before and after your change. I had reverted it because you moved the first sentence of the paragraph to the end of the paragraph, which make it not make sense; I hadn't noticed the movement of the image. What browser are you using? --Delirium 20:47, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm using IE6.0. The place of the image itself has not changed, however there was some space between the heading "History" and the text, so I changed the position of the image link. -- Eagleamn 05:31, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

Mahdi Army & Iraqi Arabic (Help with Arabic, Part II)
Hello again! I need some help on two articles.
 * 1) I was reading articles on Wikipedia, and one article led to another until stumbled upon the Mahdi Army article. I noticed that a) it didn't have the Arabic-alphabet spelling of the name and b)the transliterated name given in the article, which I did my best to render into Arabic, sounds a bit Persian.  In Arabic, wouldn't you say "Jaish al Mahdi?"  The -e (or -i, or -ee) prefix is used in Persian to denote possession or origin.  I think it would mean "The Army of the Mahdi" in Persian, except this is an Iraqi group made up of Arabic-speakers.  I wonder if you could take a look at it and correct any errors?
 * 2) The second is a bit more tricky. The Iraqi Arabic article says that the Iraqi  pronunciation is closest to that of the Prophet Muhammad.  But my Arabic instructor, who grew up in Iraq, told us that there are many peculiarities of pronunciation (like the pronunciation of كلب as "cheleb", which I mention on the discussion page), that make this seem highly unlikely.  I think that either the pronunciation of the Hejaz or possibly even more likely, the Najd, would be closest --- but I'm not an expert on Arabic and have no sources.  Any help you can give would be appreciated. (And please note, if you read the discussion page, that while I entitled my comment "This is horse puckey," I am most definitely not trying to insult the Prophet; I am merely trying to express my strong opinion that the article, as currently written, leaves a lot to be desired). --Jpbrenna 06:01, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I fixed the errors in the first article (Mahdi Army). Regarding the second article, I am not very sure about this, but Iraqis indeed have a distinguishable accent/prununciation which I highly doubt to be the same as that of the prophet. At the same time, I don't think Iraqi Arabic is any more "difficult" or "complex" than other dialect of Arabic. And claiming that "It has changed very little, and has kept the closest pronounciation in comparision with all the Arabic varieties" is very dubious because, well, although I'm not familiar with linguistics, I do know they pronounce "k ك" -> "ch" as in "chalam" instead of "kalam كلام". Living in the Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia, I hear similar instances, but extremely rare, and often in certain cities, probably due to the influence of Persian vocabulary and, hence, prununciation. I conclude from that that the Iraqi Arabic is influenced by Farsi/Persian as well (because of the physical proximity). Note that I have no sources to support my conclusion, however I will try to investigate further.

 * By the way, I think you are entitled to add AR 1 tag to your user page, based on your understanding of Arabic. -- Eagleamn 17:02, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

 * I also find this article very informative and interesting: http://modersmal.skolutveckling.se/arabiska/sprak-rotter.htm -- Eagleamn 17:15, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Saudi-stub
Hi - we at WikiProject Stub sorting have just found your new stub template, saudi-stub. Although the template and associated category are well-formed, it should have gone through the standard week's debating process at WP:WSS/C prior to creation. In this case, since it fits in with the stub hierarchy and will probably reach the criterion number of categories (usually regarded as being at least 60 articles and preferably over 100), it is unlikely to be deleted. If you plan to make more stub templates and categories in future, we'd rather you followed the procedures listed at most of the stub-related pages on Wikipedia. I have listed your new stub type at WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries, if you would like to comment on it there. Grutness...  wha?  07:25, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * PS - also, if you're marking geographical items to do with Saudi Arabia, please add your new stub to the MEast-geo-stub that's already there. Don't replace the old one (for an explanation of why, see Category talk:Saudi Arabia stubs). Grutness...  wha?

BioCOTW Project
You voted for  Pope Shenouda III of Alexandria, this weeks' Biography Collaboration of the weeks. Please come and help them become a featured-standard article.

al-Saud or as-Saud (or al-Sa'ūd as-Sa'wd or whatever)
Greetings! There is a project underway to determine the best way to transliterate Arabic into Roman letters in the English Wikipedia. The current draft is at Naming conventions (Arabic), and discussion is ongoing at the talk page. It has been proposed that "al-" be written "as-" when it precedes an S, and you seem to disagree in this case. Why not join the discussion? We could use a wide array of opinions to make the standard as useful as possible. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 13:45, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Nan (artist)
Please double check the edit history when submitting something as a speedy delete. The above page you tagged because it was blank, was actually blanked by an anon when there was perfectly legitimate info there before that. - Mgm|(talk) 09:59, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

Saudi Flag
Hey - saw your (I admit, old) comment on the flag of Saudi Arabia article. I have added some little details but I cannot find much information about the sword itself. dok 10:35, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Categorization
Please see my comments at Talk:Battle of 73 Easting. -- Kirill Lokshin 02:05, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

Re:Ahmed Zaki Yamani
Hello Thanks - as far as I know this is not copyvio nor am I an historian. Of course, the biography has been used because of its relative importance but I have checked all areas with other sources. Anything that I have not managed to match up between different sources has been noted. e.g.Yamani's biography suggests..., at one point in hostage incident. In this case I thought best to go with the bio. as this is straight from Yamani- Carlos sources do not provide detail on this point, although admittedly I did not check with the two major Jackal books. Most of my other sources have also been listed. Good luck on your Saudi articles, Sjjb 12:53, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Reef Road Houses.jpg, Image:RT beach.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Reef Road Houses.jpg, Image:RT beach.jpg. I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag, so its copyright status is therefore unclear. Please add a tag to let us know its copyright status. (If you created/took the picture then you can use to release it under the GFDL. If you can claim fair use use  .)  See Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use. If you have uploaded other images, please check that you have tagged them, too. Note that any unsourced and untagged imaged will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thanks so much. --Nv8200p (talk) 20:20, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The fairuseunknown tag is no good. There is a debate going on right now if you can claim fair use without knowing the source. I say you can, others say you cannot. You can change the tag and try a fair use claim and see what happens (that's what I do). See Fair use for help. See the "Rationale" section. Ignore any remarks about having to know the copyright holder. --Nv8200p (talk) 21:17, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

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Fadil Vokrri

Fadil Avdullah Vokrri (23 July 1960 – 9 June 2018) was a Kosovan football administrator and formerly Yugoslav player.

Arguably one of the greatest Kosovan footballers, he was the president of the Football Federation of Kosovo from 16 February 2008 until his death on 9 June 2018.

Early life
Born in Podujevo, SFR Yugoslavia (modern Kosovo), Vokrri was known for his Diego Maradona-like approach with quick movement and strong shooting (where he established his strong shooting reputation at FC Prishtina). He won a number of international caps for the former Yugoslavia in the mid-1980s and was unlucky to not win more caps where he was one of Yugoslavia's favourite football talents. He played in a star-studded lineup that included Agim Cana, Edmond Rugova and Fadil Muriqi, as well as other Kosovan players who were part of the Golden Generation in the 1980s. Vokrri's FC Prishtina went on to beat Red Star Belgrade at the Red Star Stadium and record a historic away victory for the Kosovan team.

Club career
Vokrri scored a total of 121 goals and had 363 club appearances, he began his career at the age of 16 years old at Llapi. He then moved to Prishtina in 1980 and played there until 1986, scoring 55 goals and making 172 appearances. Vokrri was very successful with Partizan from Belgrade where he scored 18 goals and had 55 appearances. He was key to both the team claiming the 1986–87 Yugoslav First League title, and their successful run in the 1988–89 Yugoslav Cup, notably scoring in the final as Partizan won 6–1 against Velež Mostar.

In between the two trophy successes, Italian club Juventus showed interest in signing Vokrri. However, as he had not completed the then-compulsory two years' military service, he was unable to travel abroad, and so had to turn down the offer. He eventually completed the requirements for military service while playing for Partizan, fulfilling light tasks during the week around training and in between matches.

He also played for Nîmes Olympique, Fenerbahçe where he played for the successful coach Guus Hiddink. Vokrri was a favourite of Fenerbahçe fans but was not as productive as he was with FC Prishtina and Partizan because of his older age.

Post-retirement
After the Kosovo War ended, Vokrri returned to his country and became the sporting director of Prishtina. On 16 February 2008, he was elected as the president of the Football Federation of Kosovo for a four-year mandate.

Personal life
Vokrri and his wife Edita had two sons, Gramozi and Albert, and a daughter named Albana. He had a degree in the Faculty of Management and Business. Apart from his native Albanian, he was also fluent in French, Serbian and Turkish. On 17 May 2018, he earned his Albanian passport.

Death
On 9 June 2018, Vokrri suffered a heart attack while he was exercising and died on his way to the emergency room. Later that day, the Prishtina City Stadium was renamed to the Fadil Vokrri Stadium in his honor.

Vokrri was given a state funeral on 10 June 2018 and was buried at the Pristina City Cemetery. President of Kosovo Hashim Thaçi marked the day as a national day of mourning, with all flags lowered at half mast across Kosovo, and at embassies all over the world.

International

 * Scores and results list Yugoslavia's goal tally first, score column indicates score after each Vokrri goal.

Honors
Partizan
 * Yugoslav First League: 1986–87
 * Yugoslav Cup: 1988–89

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Karl Howman

Karl Howman (born 13 December 1953) is an English writer, actor and director.

Howman's first book, "Secret Spitfires",  co-written with Ethem Cetintas and Gavin Clarke, went to paperback from hardback in 2022; he also co-directed and produced the film of the same name. Howman's second book, "A Million Ways to stay on the Run" (ISBN 978-1-915306-26-5) which he co-wrote with Donal Macintyre, was a Sunday Times bestseller two weeks after publication in early 2023. The audio book, which is narrated by Howman, won the Best Audio Book 2024 at True Crime Awards.

Howman has been an actor since 1968, where he started with the National Youth Theatre. Howman is best known for playing Jacko in the sitcom Brush Strokes from 1986 to 1991, Mulberry in Mulberry from 1992 to 1993 and Buster Briggs in EastEnders from 2014 to 2016.

Career
Howman appeared on many TV shows and films throughout his career. He is an established British comedy actor.

Howman took over the role of Jakey Smith from Robert Lindsay (with whom he shares a birthday) in Get Some In! in its final series in 1978. He then appeared in the episode "Shadow" in the BBC series Blake's 7, in the Minder episode "All About Scoring, Innit?" playing Danny Varrow, and in The Sweeney episode "May," playing Davey Holmes.

On 25 September 2014, it was announced that Howman had been cast in long-running BBC soap EastEnders. Howman appeared as the character Buster Briggs. In his time on the show, Buster's storylines included his relationship with Shirley Carter (Linda Henry), his relationship with his two sons Mick Carter (Danny Dyer) and Dean Wicks (Matt Di Angelo), running a fish stall and having an affair with Kathy Sullivan (Gillian Taylforth). In July 2016, it was announced that Howman would be leaving the show after nearly two years. Buster left the show after his relationship with Shirley and his affair with Kathy both ended, with Howman's last episode airing on 23 September 2016.

On the radio he also appeared in King Street Junior as Mr Philip Sims and in Coming Alive as Terry King.

Personal life
Howman married his wife, Clare Lightfoot, in 1976. They have two children, actresses Chloe Howman and Katy-Jo Howman, and six grandchildren.

Howman supports Charlton Athletic.

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Saul (Edomite king)

Saul was a king of Edom mentioned in the Bible, in Genesis 36:31-43. He succeeded Samlah of Masrekah in the apparently elective kingship of the early Edomites. He is described as being from "Rehoboth on the River". He was succeeded by Baal-hanan ben Achbor.

The dates and other details of his reign are unknown, as he is not mentioned in any other surviving source.

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