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Trading Cards
Just to let you know that Trading card images are not fairuse. T-1000 19:53, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
I am not appreciative of the fact that you are being deceptive in order to mold the page how you want it. Three to one is NOT a consensus, and you closed the vote only two days after you put it up. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:57, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I am not being deceptive. The vote was for moving the book to the main article, and creating a separate page for the movie. It was suggested that the main article be made a disambig that would link both entries. Since the pre-existing vote was requesting something different, I shut it down. --DrBat 21:01, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, right, you're an admin, I forgot. You have the authority to end a vote whenever you want, even though you're a biased party. - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:09, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Argh. I ended the vote I created because it became irrelevant. The vote was requesting for something different. --DrBat 21:11, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes, Mr. Admin. I know you have the authority to do whatever you want, such as disregard guidelines. So, what, do I have no right to vote on anything? You went ahead and skipped the democratic process in order to mold the article like you want it to be like.

3RR
You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. (Violation at One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.) -- Essjay ·  Talk 21:11, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I was reverting vandalism. Furthermore, I dont see A Link to the Past being blocked. Didnt he break the 3RR rule as well?--DrBat 21:14, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Vandalism? So, it's against the guidelines to enjoy democracy? There was no consensus to move the article as you did. Any legitimate Wikipedian would inform you that three to one is not a consensus.
 * And you made a bad faith edit, closing the vote preemtively. More votes could have come in to keep the article as it is, and that fact alone shows you were biased in your closing of it and making the move. I only commited three, and 3RR says you can only make three reverts. You did not revert on your first edit, but you certainly tried to cheat the voting process in order to make the article how you want it to be. - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:20, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The vote was for a separate matter. The vote was for having the main article featuring the book. Once it was decided to make the main article a disambig page instead, I closed the vote to avoid confusion. Do you understand what I'm saying? --DrBat 21:29, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * YOU DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CLOSE IT AFTER TWO DAYS AND ONLY FOUR VOTES. Do you understand ANYTHING of what I'm saying? For Heaven's sake, you are not an admin, nor are you in anything resembling a position allowing you to close a vote, preventing others from adding their opinions. The closing of the debate was not only acting out of bad faith, but you had no right whatsoever to make this decision, especially since you are clearly biased in your preemtive closing. - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:35, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The vote, as it originally stood, requested that the book be moved to the main article, and the movie be given its own. It was suggested that a disambig page be made the main article instead. Seeing as the request for having the book be the main article was no longer valid, I closed it. --DrBat 21:43, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * So, there was no consensus to do this, and you did this without any regard for the opposition to this? If so, thank you, as you have just shown you didn't act with the intent of having the article how Wikipedia wants it, but how you want it. You cited this move is authorized by consensus, and the only consensus on the page is for moving the book article to the main article. So, there is no consensus to move, and you used deception to hide that fact. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:00, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * First of all, you are the only person on the page who wants to keep it as it is.
 * Second, the vote was for A SEPARATE MATTER. The vote was TO MAKE THE BOOK ARTICLE THE MAIN ARTICLE. Since it was later decided to make it a disambig article, I deleted the vote (because the only options were to have the book as the main article or the movie as the main article, not to have a disambig linking to both). --DrBat 22:25, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * So, basically, you're saying that I am the only human being on the face of the Earth that will ever object to either making the book the main article or making a disambig the main article. And wasn't it YOU that used the three to one vote to support your case? For Heaven's sake, PAY ATTENTION. Did you notice that you only have 75% of the votes (not the 80% required to reach a consensus)? Or the fact that the 75% is only THREE votes? Or that you closed it after TWO days, which you have no authority to do? Like Essjay said, a consensus can NOT be gathered after four people making a vote in a span of two days. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:35, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Funny Requested moves says its 60%. Hmmm.... And again, I deleted it (and Im the one who made it) because the disambig was not an option in the voting. --DrBat 22:42, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * My bad. Although, would you say you had 100% consensus to move just because only you voted on it? Four people is not enough to claim consensus, especially in the time you allowed the vote to take place. If someone wanted to object to the move, what would you tell them? That the vote is over? You were trying to circumvent the process; there wasn't any consensus to do this move, as a consensus to move constitutes that you have a clear majority percentage, combined with adequate time for people to vote on it, and combined with enough people to say that there's enough people to say that there's a considerable amount of people to make it undisputable. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:50, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * So if no one else came along, we would just have to leave it. And according to you, the whole voting process is wrong because only the editors can vote. --DrBat 23:11, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

WP:RM> "Requested moves may be implemented if there is a Wikipedia community consensus (60% or more) supporting the moving of an article after five (5) days under discussion on the talk page of the article to be moved, or earlier at the discretion of an administrator. The time for discussion may be extended if a consensus has not emerged."

Neither of you is an admin.

Just to but in and point that out :). - SoM 00:02, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Re: Jean Loring

 * I'm thinking of making a SHB box for Jean Loring. Do you think she should have a Villain box or a Supporting Character box?

SHB (Villain). She started as a supporting character, she's not now. - SoM 01:59, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Korea Jindo Dog photo
You uploaded Image:Dcp00103-Jindogae-or-Chindo.jpg claiming fair use; however, to make it legit for use on wikipedia, you'll need to read the info about fair use and then make a statement on the image's page about why you think fair use is justified. Personally, I don't think that a dog-breed photo can be justified in most cases. In addition, there's already a Jindo article with a free image on it. I've tagged your uploaded file for probable deletion, FYI. Elf | Talk 01:47, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I e-mailed the guy, but it was sent back as an error message. Anyway, I didnt know the Chindo/Jindo dog had its own article. Sorry. --DrBat 02:03, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

OK, thanks for trying. You can always check list of dog breeds or Category:Dog breeds to see what's already there. :-) Elf | Talk

Xavier article
What's up with removing the "Xavier and Magneto" image from the article? I returned it because I think his relationship/conflict with Erik is quite an integral part of the character's history that should have at least one visual representation. I know you've added a rejuvenation picture, but I think the thing with Magneto is far more well known and more prominent, and therefore more deserving of an image.

However, I wanted to have a talk about this in order to reach a compromise and avoid a big editing dispute.

--James26 16:34, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I think the image quality isnt that good, and it doesnt fit in place within the context of the article. --DrBat 21:55, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Vote on moving Lost (2004 television series) to Lost (TV series)
Hi. Just a quick note that we're voting (again) on renaming/moving the Lost (2004 television series) article, this time to the shorter Lost (TV series). As you were a participant in the previous discussion/vote, please register your support or opposition here: Talk:Lost (2004 television series) Thanks! LeFlyman 05:31, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

X-Men collaboration
Hi. You voted at the Comics Collaboration of the Fortnight for X-Men which has become the current collaboration. Please help to improve it in any way you can. --Steve block talk 10:41, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Re: Spider-Women
If I'm completely incoherent here, it's because I'm only on the computer at this ungodly hour because I can't sleep.

 * In cases where multiple superheroes have the same name, their articles just have their name. For example, the various Green Lanterns and Robins; the Hal Jordan article is Hal Jordan, not Green Lantern (Hal Jordan). And the Tim Drake article is Tim Drake, not Robin (Tim Drake). Should we do the same for the Spider-Women articles? And should the main article have a minor summary of the characters, like the main articles of Robin and Green Lantern do?

Basically, my opinion is that they should be at Codename (Real Name) when disambiguating between characters with the same codename. If it's the character itself, due to multiple codenames, being disambiguated (e.g., Bart Allen), or they're best known without a codename even if they used one for a brief period, they should just be at Real Name. Saves trouble later on if someone with that name in real life becomes prominent, and it might lead to the elimination of messes like the bloody Starman disambig tags.

And both the pages you link to suffer from the same problem as your Spider-Woman ones did - they have no introduction because they've just been cut out of longer articles fundamentally unchanged.

And depends. I'm minded to think that Spider-Woman should stay a straight disambig - the characters really have no connection bar the codename FTMP. - SoM 01:07, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Image Copyright Problem RE: Image:Josh.jpg
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If you have any questions, just leave a message on my talk page. Thanks again. Extraordinary Machine 20:41, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * That notice was added to the image's description in error. Firstly, the image requires fair use rationale (in other words, justification for why the image is being used on the articles it is being used on). Secondly, it's impossible to claim "fair use" on a copyrighted image without specifying the source and copyright holder of the image. See Fair use for more information. 81.106.65.28 81.106.65.28 Extraordinary Machine 16:14, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

 * , Fine just delete it. --DrBat 23:09, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Monet St. Croix article
Hey, thanks for adding that picture to the article on M. It was much better than the one I had up there, and I'm glad you did. It looks great. THanks a bunch! Elefuntboy 05:08, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: Deathstrike

 * The SHB has the people who wrote her first appearance in Daredevil as her creators, but her character was rapidly changed in subsequent issues. Should the the guy who made her a villain in Alpha Flight, and Chris Claremont (who made her into the 'cyborg woman who wants revenge on Wolverine', which is what she is most known for today) also be noted?

Honestly not sure. Current practice would leave it as it is - but as you say, most of her defining attributes were added later, and I've never been especially happy with the "current practice" in such cases.

Add it. If anyone vehemently disagrees and reverts, at worst it's an opening for more general discussion. - SoM 00:05, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Ian Mckellen image
Hi I have ifded this as there are free images availiable there isn't a fair use argument. Arniep 23:21, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi, if there is a free image availiable there is no fair use argument in the law. If you read the fair use template it says "in the absence of free images that could serve such a purpose", see also Fair_use Thanks Arniep 02:27, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Image:Ianoscars2.jpg has been listed as a possibly unfree image

 * Hi the image you just uploaded Image:Ianoscars2.jpg is a copyrighted photo, you don't have the right to release it under a free license as you didn't create the image.Image:Ian McKellen.jpg was uploaded by the person who took it who agreed to license it under the GNU Free Documentation License. Arniep 00:18, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

OMACs
Presuming you mean the Pérez IC3 cover, I'd ask if you didn't have a pic that focused on the OMAC(s) rather than Wonder Woman firstly and foremostly :)
 * In your opinion, what would be a better image for the OMACs SHB box; Wonder Woman #221 or Infinite Crisis #3?

Seriously, neither's very good, since neither has OMACs as the focal point. If it had to be one or the other, I'd say WW221 - SoM 22:24, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll just keep the one it has now. --DrBat 22:36, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

X-Men image
I keep reverting to the XM174 solicit image for the XM STB image because it's the only readily-available image that has the full X-Men lineup on it since the X-Men: ReLoad lineup shift. It's not ideal (not least since several characters have their back to the "camera" and there's just been another, less drastic, shift), but it's the only option since most group covers only have one of the teams on them and we haven't got a similar (or better) post-DeciMation image yet with Cannonball, a depowered Iceman, no Storm, etc.

And Mystique being blacked out is not only not a problem, it's an advantage - she's not a member of the X-Men, thus showing her in an image being used to illustrate the X-Men as a group is, well, think about it. - SoM 17:26, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Sorry.
 * Ack, s'okay.

 * There's a cover that shows the current Uncanny team with Cannonball, by Billy Tan, btw. But it only shows the Uncanny team.
 * Yeah, I saw it - but, as you say, it's the UXM team only.

 * The problem is, each book has a different team, so its rare if a cover will have all the teams together.
 * Exactly - as I said, XM174 is the only cover in the past year and a bit to do so, and I haven't seen any interiors with such (the Cable/Deadpool issue I uploaded a pic from before came close, but it was still missing half the X-Men team and a couple of members from each of the others). I'd consider splicing something together, but I have no idea how that would stand fair-use wise, so I'm leaving that for right now.

 * Also, what does watermarked mean? --DrBat 18:55, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Digital watermarking :)
 * Specifically here, I'm talking about the MARVEL logo Marvel overlay in the bottom right of all their non-solicit preview images. Using watermarked images on Wikipedia is certainly discouraged, although since the image use policy, Fair use guidelines and copyrights policy don't make specific reference to them, I don't think it's banned. It looks ugly though. - SoM 19:18, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

(TV)/(Xena)
Uh, no. Look at other character pages, they are never referred to by the media they're most represented in. The only exception are comic character (which is inane, but I digress). They are to be referred to by the title of fiction. Fiction easily transcends media, and thus has higher priority than media. --Apostrophe 00:24, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Ben Reilly and Catwoman
I agree! There's really nothing wrong with the images you've uploaded. But the fact is there was nothing wrong with the previous images either.

I think Ben Reilly image should portrait "Ben Reilly". Not Scarlet-Spider ou Spider-Man II, just "Ben Reilly". The article already presented images of Reilly in SS and SM costumes.

And about Catwoman, the image in the Superherobox already shows her in her current outfit. I see no need for a new one. The image showing her crying in a police-lineup in only a cover being presented in the article.

That was my point: you tried to improve articles that did not need it the way you did. So I think it is better to keep the previous version. But as I said before, if this is about to change the article just to please you, go ahead, change it. I was thinking about the community and the article, not about the way the article will please me. Regards, Lesfer ☎  19:01, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

 * That's right, the SHB box for Catwoman shows all her costumes. Including the new one. And concerning Ben Reilly, you said yourself: You used an equally image. What for? It doesn't add nothing. It doesn't improve the article. Anyway, I'm not even editing none of both articles anymore. Feel free to edit however you want. It's fine by me. :) Lesfer ☎  02:34, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Main Article
The main article says it is being cancelled, final issue in Feb. '06. Also found a link that says that IF this happens, DC Comics may end up being sued by the Wonder Woman's creator's estate.Martial Law 03:06, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Source of possible litigation DC Comics may face is:

http://www.acme-superstore.com/viewtopic.phpbb?t=2188&sid874223a454d571f4fcc8c2fcbc9b3108

See a designation on the left called The_Mess. These claims are there. Thought I might bring this to your attention. Someone should send a copy of this link to DC Comics. My server is affected by hurricanes Katrina and Rita.Martial Law 03:29, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

The original link is on the Wonder Woman Discussion page.Martial Law 03:32, 30 November 2005 (UTC) -- in case this copy is malfunctioning, which it is.Martial Law 03:33, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Been told it was being retconned.Martial Law 07:07, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Iceman
Given your current edit war at Dazzler, any particular reason you reverted the box pic @ Iceman (comics) to Iceman's old look? - SoM 12:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
 * What's the difference between the two Icemans? There's no real significant change. And the one right now looks weird, with his awkward pose and the thing that looks like a red scarf on him.

Click on the zoomed-in version. Besides the "hair" (and the fact that you can see more of him than half his face), he's actually fairly contorted in a way that may suggest deformation.

(oh, and the red thing's the remnant of his hawaiian shirt.)

 * Dazzler's new costume is almost a complete overhaul of the original one; hence the change in images.--DrBat 12:19, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually, it's based on her second costume - SoM 12:25, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Dazzler
With regards your dispute concerning the image, please remember the Three-revert rule. Try and build a consensus as to which image to use, and be prepared to compromise. Steve block talk 22:03, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration hearing (2)
A complaint has been made about you, with a Request for Arbitration:
 * Requests_for_arbitration

FT2 13:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

3RR
Hi Dr Bat, you've been reported for a 3RR violation at Zatanna and have been temporarily blocked from editing. If you feel this is unwarranted, you're welcome to e-mail me using the link on my user page. SlimVirgin (talk) 19:17, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Dr. Bat, this 65.110.6.40 has been very obnoxious. I'll respond to Virgin as well.

I pulled it once I saw that incident had already been reported. But you argue on talk pages, not in edit summaries. Reread WP:3RR again. - SoM 13:29, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

 * So the fact that I was reverting libel and vandalism doesnt count?

* sigh*

SoM 16:47, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) You can't libel a fictional character
 * 2) The edits weren't libellous. Nor were they vandalistic. Most involved the pic, the others were trivial and not discernable.
 * 3) If you're referring to the edit summaries, you can't "revert" an edit summary
 * Re: 3 - They don't look libellous to me. I advise increasing the width of your pelt.

3RR
I don't know if you realize this or not, but Wikipedia has rules about not reverting an article more than 3 times in a 24 hour period, which you can read about at WP:3RR. At this point, you've violated that rule. If you revert the article again, I will be forced to block you. · Katefan0(scribble)/ mrp 19:23, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I understand that. But edit warring isn't the way to solve a problem, paritcularly when you violate 3RR in the process.  Next time stop reverting and ask for help.  If you revert again, I'll have to block you. Let someone else do it; there were three other people who preferred the other picture. · Katefan0(scribble)/ mrp 19:27, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Just because someone wasn't there for an earlier consensusbuilding doesn't mean their opinions are discounted; consensus is not forever binding -- new people join, old people fall away. Selina is entitled to his/her opinion about what picture should be used, whether it's voiced a week ago or now.  But that doesn't change consensus; even with Selina's opinion registered, it's still four-to-one (or three-to-one, if you argue to discount the anon vote).  · Katefan0(scribble)/ mrp 19:31, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I did. I restored the consensus version and Selina reverted my change after I warned her about violating 3RR.  As a result I blocked her for 24 hours.  I'd prefer there be an amicable solution to this -- is there some way to find a picture both sides like? · Katefan0(scribble)/ mrp 19:42, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Even though you were reverting to enforce consensus on the page, you still violated 3RR. I gave you the benefit of the doubt because I wasn't sure that you were aware of Wikipedia's policies on 3RR.  However, after looking through the 3RR page, it appears that you've been blocked for it before.  Even though you were reverting to enforce the consensus, you still violated 3RR in doing so, and so therefore I must block you as well.  Next time, please get help instead of violating 3RR. · Katefan0(scribble)/ mrp 19:47, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm blocking you for breaking the 3RR, sorry! I'm not as lenient as Katefan0, and I believe the rules should be applied fairly. Once you and Selina come back from your bans, I hope you can sort this out in a more constructive manner. Dan100 (Talk) 19:48, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, I just blocked him as well. At the time I wasn't aware that he'd been blocked before.  Cheers! · Katefan0(scribble)/ mrp 19:55, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Edit summary
Hello. Please remember to always provide an edit summary. Thanks and happy editing. Willmcw 23:53, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Reverting
Hi, DrBat. I've put a comment on the Danielle Moonstar talk page. I would appreciate it if we could get some dialogue going here to avoid a revert war. Daniel Davis 00:30, 31 December 2005 (UTC) (Doom127)

Reverting Supergirl & Powergirl
Is there a particular reason you are reverting the much newer and nicer image of Supergirl drawn by Michael Turner to that gawd aweful one that Ian Churchill did for SM/BM #19/SG #0???

Also, why are you doing the same thing to Powergirl. This image I loaded is the same except mine has none of the text & logos & a different color scheme???

 * RE Powergirl: The original image I found was the one that was posted for the solictations for the month. The final version (with new color scheme) came out later.  I found the new one on a Yahoo Group for... Powergirl. I will post the link later tonite.

 * RE Supergirl: While Ian Churchill does draw the book & half the covers (Turner does the other) it was Turner who created the visuals of this Supergirl and with all due respect to Ian C (whose art I do like very much) the image you use is atrocious in the context it is used (ala minus Batman, Superman & the rest of the background).

New Wolverine News & Images

 * I wanted you to know that I did not arbitrarily change the Wolverine images. There is new news (see the HOM aftermath tab) and you will see why I thought it merited the new character image. Dstorres

Poison Ivy
Please refrain from edit warring at the above article. It is now on my watch list and I will be blocking any user who violates WP:3RR. It would be better if you and User:Mistress Selina Kyle discussed your difference of opinion on the talk page rather than engage in an edit war. Learning to compromise and when to walk away is all part of being a wikipedia editor. Steve block talk 13:59, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Magneto's significant stories
I was about to put up those significant stories, until I saw that you beated me to the punch. I just wanted to say thanks and sorry. I know I said I would do it, but my life has just gotten so busy, these past few weeks. - -- LEC20 20:04, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Scarlet Spider
A few issues after Ben took Peter's place in jail, since Kaine had stolen all Peter's costumes. Tail end of Mark of Kaine, including the Sinister Seven Spider-Man Unlimited issue; and Web of Spider-Man #125. - SoM 12:48, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Image:Drewbarrymore.jpg and fair use
Hello, I was wondering if you could explain why using this image in the Drew Barrymore article qualifies as fair use. Thanks! Postdlf 23:36, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I ifded it and removed from article as agency photos are generally not OK to use under fair use. Arniep 00:03, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * If you want to add Image:Drewbarrymorerwb.jpg you need to put some critical commentary in the article. Arniep 16:12, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi any fair use image needs commentary to make it fair use. You just need to say something on the movie, whether it got good or bad reviews etc. Arniep 16:21, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Wicked (comics)
Hey! Thanks for the image. I don't have a scanner, so it was good that you were able to add that. Tullyman 16:46, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Your war on Mel Gibson

 * I'm removing that image of Herod from the Passion of the Christ that you put in the Mel Gibson article. As I've already written that article is about Mr. Gibson, not every movie he has been in. If you really think this business over Herod and how you think he's homosexual the movie, then put that in the Passion of the Christ article along with the image. It simply doesn't belong in the Mel Gibson page. And by the way, I asked you this last September: What do you have against Mel Gibson? What did he ever do to you to make you clearly hate him so much, as you've shown with your edits that obviously cast him in a negative light. -- Judson 21:20, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Image:Amy 12.jpg
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Image:Fall_out_boy2.jpg
Orphan-Bot keeps leaving messages for me about this image; all I did was revert to a previous version of the image; I never uploaded any version. --DrBat 05:32, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

 * It's messaging you because you're the most recent person on the uploaders list, and it keeps notifying you because you keep removing the notification. I'll see what I can do to keep this from happening in the future. --Carnildo 08:24, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

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Though I didn't replace it in the articles, I created a modified image of Image:Man and dog.jpg sans the green eyes. What are your thoughts on it? --DrBat 14:22, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * that's fine, put it in the article if you like. the dog actually has green eyes, just not that green. Pedant 05:23, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

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I listed this picture for deletion as I replaced it with the actual comic cover Image:TyphoidMary46.JPG and replaced it on both the Daredevil and Typoid Mary pages. As the uploader of the original picture, I wanted to give you the courtesy of knowing. AriGold 18:19, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. :-) AriGold 13:32, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

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I know it's been a while since you asked this, but I was on WikiBreak.

I seem to recall comments by Bendis that the Ronin costume (and I don't think she's ever been called "Ronin" in-story, has she? Even the panel with her taking the helmet off had her say "They also call me Echo", with the handprint on her face) was only for when she didn't want people to know that they were talking to the Kingpin's adopted daughter or something like that. I'd leave it at Echo for now at least, with that in mind. - SoM 22:26, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Typhoid Mary image
AriGold has reported you for a 3RR violation on the Typhoid Mary (comics) article. Instead, I'll ask you to give up inserting your image (which IMHO is definitely nicer looking). You've been told by two administrators (Postdlf and Steve block -- and now add me, so that makes three) that it will be easier for Wikipedia to claim fair use of the lower resolution image. And honestly, is this really big enough of a deal that it's worth getting blocked for? I should hope not, so please just let it go. Thanks.  howch e  ng   {chat} 22:32, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I'd look at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Comics/Archive07:
 * One: If these are truly promotional images, then the fair use argument is quite good, actually better than for scanned images of the covers. Such images should be tagged as promotional, however, not as "comic book covers", because they're not. And they must be sourced or they will be deleted.

Still, don't keep reverting right now. - SoM 23:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

OK, Kelly Martin (whom SoM is quoting) is right. However, you have to show proof that the image you found is indeed a promotional image. I went and read some of the threads you cited and that being a forum, there's no authoritative source that says the image was released by Marvel for promotional purposes. Assuming for the sake of argument that you do indeed find one, I would then cite that source on Talk:Typhoid Mary (comics) or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics as well as linking to Kelly's statement and seeing if others will agree. Don't just replace the image or you'll end up starting another revert war. Good luck.  howch e  ng   {chat} 06:41, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

 * What are you doing to me? Both SoM and I told you not to just stick the image back in. I even asked you to get proof that it's a promotional image and to bring it up for discussion so as not to rock the boat, but then you just went and did it anyway, which just caused AriGold to complain about your behavior again . Forgive me for sounding condescending, but it's like I'm talking to my three-year old daughter. Anyway, I started up the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics so please join in there.  howch e  ng   {chat} 17:03, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

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 * sorry, something went wrong it was Image:2765 400x600.jpg I was talking about.Flying Canuck 23:46, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

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WHy'd you change your own image of Batman?

Reverting my work
I recently made a change to the Reno 911! page, and you deleted it stating 'rv'. It was factual information, and I don't see how it was vandalism.

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1) If the mods come out and say that the non comic cover is definitely the better choice. I will stop, you have my word.  Until then, I am going with what we have been told thus far. 2) PLease stop spamming my talk page. Thank you. AriGold 21:43, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I am being 100% honest when I say I am only doing this because this is what we have been told is the better image. You have ignored that from the very first time your image was deleted.  I have faith in the system here, but none in your judgment.  As I said earlier, if the mods say that they are certain your image is the better one to use, I will stop.  Until then, you are reuploading an image that has been deleted 2 or 3 times and ignoring the advice of 3 or 3 mods.   AriGold 21:48, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * STOP SPAMMING MY PAGE, PLEASE! It is clear I received your message and was in the process of responding. AriGold 21:49, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't grow tired of protecting pages from vandals, as I will continue to do on the Typhoid Mary page, but I do grow tired of listening to your excuses over and over and having to respond to you, so this will be my last response. Once a mod tells us that they think the art alone and not the comic cover is the better image, then I will stop. AriGold 21:58, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Why are you a vandal? Because almost immediately upon your original image being deleted by mods, you reuplaoded it and reinserted it.  That is vandalism and also why I do not trust you. I am done responding to you, I thought I at least owed you that courtesy. AriGold 22:07, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for taking the low road of editing the redirect! I considered doing that to you, but dismissed it as being unprofessional. Glad to see that my kindness is being justly repaid. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 20:55, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

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You dont need to enhnace the pic, I did actually take the time to look at it, and your version is clearer, which is why I said I would cooperate. I just wanted to contribute something to the page.

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Talk:The Weekend (Canadian band)

NPOV
The article needs to be rewritten to read less like a sales pitch and more encylopedic. It also should clearly establish that it meets the WP:Music listing requirements. Vegaswikian 22:32, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I've completed a copyedit and removed POV as I saw it. Having no familiarity with the band, hopefully I've addressed the POV concerns in a neutral fashion. I have removed the NPOV tag accordingly. Accurizer 03:11, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

NPOV
Hello there.

Im not in the band, but I am a fan, and a 'friend', and have followed them since the beginning. I understand your concern, and I am fully aware of the Wiki philosophy that only subjects of a legitimate concern be represented here, in an encyclopedic and factual way. These are the facts, as I have them, from many years of articles, interviews and conversations with the band. I have yet to include citations, but I intend to do this.

This is just my little pet project. I have been using other bands wiki's as a guideline for what I should do, (IE: The Rolling Stones), and I have considered your statement that it should read "less like a sales pitch". I would now ask you to wiki any well known or semi-well known band at random. You will note that you find pretty much the same tone of writing, with statements that are clearly subjective in nature. True, there is much more historical information available on these groups, but bands of the same calibre as "The Weekend" have wiki's (though often not as extensive as what I am trying to accomplish) and they exist as part of the database without dispute.

Anyhow, let's see if they fulfill the criterion of deserving thier own wiki:

The requirements:

A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, hip hop crew, dj etc) is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria:

1. Has had a Top 100 hit on any national music chart, in a large or medium-sized country*

-The single "Into the Morning" reached #8 on the Australian 'Channel V' charts.

2. Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in a large or medium-sized country*

-They have toured Japan, Australia, and is noted in the wiki, are the first western band in HISTORY to do a full tour of Indonesia (including Sumatra and Sulawesi).

3. Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable) -The band has released 3 albums. Two were released on Canadian Indie label "Teenage USA", the original home of Merill Nisker AKA: "Peaches". Their songs have appeared in countless compilations, including soundtracks (Disney Records, Universal Records, Lakeshore Records, respectively).

4. Has been prominently featured in any major music media:

-Does MTV count? The Canadian variant Muchmusic? MTV Asia? MTV Australia? Here they are on MTV's website...

|The Weekend page at MTV

Watch the video for "Into the Morning" which was included on the DVD release of the feature film "DEBS", or go rent "Uptown Girls" or "Freaky Friday" to hear more weekend music from the big screen.

5. Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise extremely notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such: -I know that the lead singer has written and recorded with two industry "legends", but I will hesitate to reveal this information until I can confirm it.

6. Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or the local scene of a city (or both, as in British hip hop); note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability:

-Not sure about this one. Could be argued that in a local sense, at the time of thier incarnation, they represented the only new-wave band. But I can not verify this...yet. 7. Has won a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno or Mercury Music Award:

-Not yet, anyway.

I am sure that you can see that the criterion are met. Note that only ONE of the above are required to qualify a music group for inclusion in Wikipedia.

Though you may have never heard of the group, millions of other folks have been exposed to thier music in the media through films, television, the radio or print. One of the chief reasons I am assembling this information is due to the fact that so little biographical information exists elsewhere, and there is a real, tangible hunger for it, as the group is currently experiencing an influx of new interest.

Where this will lead is unclear. Perhaps more exposure, or perhaps they will simply remain a footnote.

Either way, they meet the criteria, and thus this wiki is legitimate.

Thank you for your concern,

Bill Phelps.

The Present Day
Why was this section removed, while the heading is still there? Perhaps the previous version should be brought back. Also, I'd like to say that I think this article is neutral. Millsy62 07:56, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

 * This section was blanked by anonymous user 125.100.117.13 without providing any rationale. I have reverted it. Accurizer 02:50, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

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Kyobo Book Centre

Kyobo Book Centre (, also known as Kyobo Mungo) is the largest bookstore chain in South Korea. It has ten stores in seven cities, with the flagship Main Store, or Gwanghwamun-jeom in Seoul, which is located in the basement of the Kyobo Building, at 1 Jong-ro, Jongno-gu in Seoul's central business district.

History
Kyobo Book Centre was first established by its founding company, "Kyobo Moon-go Corporation", in December 1980. After six months, the first store opened in June 1981. It was built under the headquarters of its parent company, Kyobo.

The central location, with its address at 1 Jong-ro (Jongno 1-ga), enabled the site to receive much enthusiasm from readers, bringing much needed life into a depressed publishing industry. It underwent major renovations in 1991, to enlarge its property underground to approximately 9,000m². Its total length of leadways and passageways amounted up to 25 km. The Gwanghwamun Store is famous for its entrances, particularly the main entrance that one takes from Jongno 3-ga. Whereby before climbing the stairs to the heavy gate-doors, one can read in clear old-style Korean, across the outer wall of the passageway: "People create books, and books create people". When entering the passageway, one notices the famous Nobel laureates of the world, including Korean recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, late former president Kim Dae-jung. An empty board exists for any future Korean Nobel laureate. It houses around 2.3 million volumes. Together with the enormous book store, it also has the "Hot Tracks" store, where a huge collection of music CDs and DVDs are sold. With this, there is also a huge stationery store, together with office ware and decorative products.

In May 2003, Kyobo Book Centre opened its eighth location (and third in Seoul) in Gangnam. It holds the record of being the biggest book store of the nation. Measuring 11,900m², it is located underground, below the Kyobo Towers in Gangnam. It has the "Book-master Dedicated Hotseats" and the automated book distribution system that was implemented the first in the world by any book store. From July 2009, it has connected with Seoul metro line 9, Sinnonhyeon station.

Kyobo Book Centre currently has around 3.2 million members (August 2004) for the Kyobo Book Club, and receives around 180,000 visitors per day both its online and offline stores. Kyobo has maintained the reputation as the "nation's book store" by frequently and regularly hosting various book-related events, and it is famous for its monthly "meet-the-author" events. Kyobo Book Centre has also maintained its number one position in the category of "Mega-size Book Stores" in the KCSI, or Korean Consumer Satisfaction Index, for a record eight years.

Branches

 * Gwanghwamun main branch, Jongno-gu: opened in 1981, in the basement of Kyobo Life Insurance Building. It was closed in April 2010 for large scale renovations. It was reopened on 27 August 2010 after a five-month refurbishment. It is accessible from exits 4 and 5 of Gwanghwamun Station on Seoul Subway Line 5.
 * Gangnam-gu: A second book store of comparable size to the Gwanghwamun main branch. It is housed in the basement of the Kyobo Gangnam Tower. It is accessible from exits 6 and 7 of Sinnonhyeon Station on Seoul Subway Line 9.
 * Yeongdeungpo-gu: opened in 2009 inside the Times Square complex
 * Ulsan: opened in 2016, underground of UP square mall in Samsan-dong.

In popular culture
The interior and exterior of the Gwanghwamun bookstore was used as a filming location for the 2007 MBC television drama Coffee Prince. Where the lead character of Choi Han-kyul buys books on coffee to nurture Go Eun-chan to be a barista, played by Gong Yoo and Yoon Eun-hye respectively.

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Talk:Portland, Oregon/Archive 1

 * being a one-foot diameter circle, its "acreage" is only about 0.3 square metres

Those numbers don't match. One foot is 30.48 cm, so the area of a one-foot diameter circle is about 900 cm^2*0.7854, or 0.07 square meters. -phma

 * The diameter was wrong. The city web site says it's 452 in2 which corresponds to a two-foot diameter circle. That means the diameter is 60.96 cm so π×30.482 = 2918.64 cm2, or about 0.3 m2. (whew!) --Nate 19:03 Nov 27, 2002 (UTC)

Contents
I was reading through the table of contents for this article, and it pretty much sums up Portland: Parks, Beer, Public Transportation. :-) --Nate Silva 22:05, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Famous Portlanders
Okay, I'm giving fair notice that a few names have slipped into this list who I do not consider Portlanders, & whom I will be removing from this list. It's not because one has to possess a certain modicum of elitism to be on this list -- it's just that some folks don't have a true connection to this town.
 * Paul Allen - So he owns the Trail Blazers. BFD, they've sucked almost to the day he wrote the check. Otherwise, his involvement in Portland has been less than minimal. Seattle can have him.
 * Ward Cunningham - No disrespect to Ward (I've met him, he's a nice guy), but does he live in Portland or across the hills in Washington County? -- Ward & Karen have a Portland address, but with respect, I wonder if Ward is notable outside Wiki fame. Should be, perhaps, but ...? User:gnetwerker Feb 13, 2004
 * Well, the rule I've always heard is when in doubt, include it. Since Ward does have a Portland address, I have no problem putting him back in the list.
 * Dr. Frank Stearns Giese - Portland State University professor convicted of Conspiracy for January 1973 military recruiting station bombings.
 * This is a little odd - This entry, as well as the mention in the "city nicknames" section about "City of Bombs", seems to be part of a poorly-executed disinformation/propoganda effort. I have only been able to find mention of Portland as "City of Bombs" on a lot of identical bot-entered forum posts, and at least one site which seems to be a fake blog with one entry on it and some fake comments, aimed at characterizing the Earth Liberation Front as a terrorist organization. Anybody else for expunging it? I don't think the guy who put Dr. Giese in this list realized that the original author of the list was suggesting *removals* from the existing Famous Portlanders list. Pjrich 01:33, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Clarification and further detail: it seems to involve the NLF, the Northwest Liberation Front, and seems to be organized by a guy calling himself Ronald James Scheller, which also seems to be the name of one of the principals in the NLF's history. The same guy seems to be posting on random forums online on a variety of inflammatory topics including legalizing marijuana, etc. As far as I can tell the point of his duplicate forum posts is to get the phrase "City of Bombs" in the google ranking. It smells like amateur cointelpro from here. Pjrich 01:41, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Tonya Harding - Yes, it's fashionable in Puddle Town to dislike her, but around here, when you mention Tonya, you think of Clackamas County. Sorry, even if you argue that Joe Clueless in New York thinks she lives in Portland, my response is that the same Joe Clueless probably thinks Oregon is a suburb of Los Angeles.
 * Phil Knight - Nike is carefully situated outside of the city limits of Beaverton. I doubt that Knight even lives in Portland. Portland doesn't need to steal famous names from its suburbs. -Edit- Phil Knight lives in Sun River Oregon.
 * Monica Lewinsky - Once upon a time she attended Lewis & Clark. Some days I'm not even sure L & C is inside of the Portland City limits; some days people at L & C don't care who she is, let alone know that she took classes there. And when the press looks for her, they pester folks down south in Los Angeles.

Sheesh, if we don't show a bit of restraint, who will be added to this list next? Garrison Keillor, who lost a manuscript at the train terminal here? L. Ron Hubbard, who was stationed here for several months in World War II? (Okay, he's a maybe.) George H. W. Bush, who was picketted every time he showed his face in Portland? Rudyard Kipling, who is rumored to have left the train during a stop in Portland to take a leak?

Yes, I'm probably ranting here, but is Portland so insecure about its self-worth that anyone tangentially connected with the city must needs be listed? -- llywrch 00:44, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Just noticing the irony between the list of suburbs and the satelite cities remark. This remark is also somewhat inappropriate for an encyclopedia. - Pingveno 04:06, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

A note about Phil Knight: Actually, he is from Portland, as far as I am aware. I know a man who grew up near him in Eastmoreland. I'll leave someone else to doublecheck and possibly re-add him to the list.

206.138.226.162 had added Oregon Graduate Institute of Science and Technology. I removed this because it's actually in Beaverton (maybe it should be on the Beaverton page). This comes out of an earlier case where llywrch had pointed out that Marylhurst University is actually not in Portland. To avoid this page becoming a laundry list of "nearby" things, the colleges list has been kept to those that are actually in Portland. --Nate Silva 03:16, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Not to be contentious, but OGI ha sbeen merged into the Oregon Health & Science University (OHSU), by acronym slight-of-hand, formerly the Oregon Health Sciences University. OHSU is based in Portland, so I don't know if that changes anyone's mind about anything. -- Gnetwerker

Spelling of TriMet/Tri-Met
I just noticed that Tri-met is spelled incorrectly. However, I'm not going to correct it because there is a link that might be destroyed if incorrectly edited. TriMet should be changed to Tri-met. Pingveno 05:28, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

 * Both spellings are correct. http://www.tri-met.org  and http://www.trimet.org TriMet is preferred. Mkmcconn 18:25, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

 * Actually, it used to be Tri-Met (capital M); the dash was taken out in 2002 (and the logo redone) --67.160.146.193 20:04, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Shanghai Tunnels
Having just been on an extremely informative and interesting tour of the Shanghai Tunnels (more formally known as the Portland Underground), I think it would be both appropriate and interesting to either include information on them in this article, or even start a new article and link it in. What would people prefer? Tim 15:35, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)

 * I think you should start a new article and link it...sounds interesting. Cacophony 21:44, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)

 * I agree! Start a new article with your knowledge and link it. Mitchowen 11:42, Nov 7, 2004 {GMT -6}

 * For the record, I would like to say that I believe most of the stories about the Shanghai tunnels are complete fiction. If you're going to write an article, make sure you get plenty of good sources. --Sean Kelly 03:27, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I started a stub on the shanghai tunnels. Hopefully, someone around here who knows more than I do will expand on it. Maybe add this on the tourist attractions list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ccj (talk • contribs) 14:27, March 26, 2005

 * A few pointers:
 * Please sign your comments. It's easy to do by adding ~ at the end of what you write. If you don't have an account, please create one: it only takes a few minutes, & will benefit one & all if you do so.
 * I'm unaware that these tunnels are shown to tourists on a regular basis, in the manner Underground Seattle is shown to tourists. I've heard rumors, & announcements of tours, but I've also heard stories from local newspaper writers that these tunnels have all been filled in or sealed off long ago, or due to liability problems are not shown to the general public. (And I say this as someone who would eagerly like to view them.)
 * I seem to remember that a number of these tunnels were originally created not with the intent of trafficking in human merchandise, but to facilitate moving goods from ships to stores in the downtown area; their usefulness for secreting hapless men onto ships for money was merely a bonus. Calling them "shanghai tunnels" would thus be a misnomer.
 * And a last comment. As one of the few native Portlanders who can document having ancestors residing in this city back to 1870, and who had a relative who was shanghaied (namely my maternal grandfather, which is why I felt compelled to begin that article), while finding it ironic that he was shanghaied outside of Portland -- namely Port Angeles, Washington, I think that we can find a better phrase with which to label a number of half-remembered, hard-to-find passageways under downtown Portland shanghai tunnels. -- llywrch 02:11, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * It actually looks like an interesting find, I wouldn't mind checking out myself. See these links: Oregon.com - Experience Oregon, NYTimes article, Portland Underground Tours ... looks to be the legit company operating the tours, their phone is referenced in the two links above. Aaronmz 02:38, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)

 * Sorry about not signing my name. As for the tunnels, I've always heard them called the shanghai tunnels. That's what people call them. Of course they weren't made for that purpose, but that's what they're remembered for. And yes, they still exist, and you can tour them, as noted above. Ccj 05:57, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The last paragraph in the history section is false and is a form of commercial advertising. "Like other west coast ports, Portland was home to frequent acts of shanghaiing. Tunnels under city blocks stretching for blocks from the Willamette River, although built for legitimate business reasons, became known as shanghai tunnels because of their purported use in such kidnappings. Portland was unique because trap doors (known as "deadfalls") were used to drop the unsuspecting victims into the tunnels where they were held in cells until the ship was ready to set sail. From 1850 to 1941, Portland was known as the "Unheavenly City" due to this shocking practice. A variety of tours of these tunnels are now given." Portland was not a city know for shanghaiing for the simple reason of geography, if you shanghai someone you still need to go down the Columbia and out to sea before you could let the shanghaied person out to work on the deck. Cities on the cost, like Astoria, were where shanghaiing happened. In addition there is no evidence of any tunnel complex under Portland, as Portland is next to two major rives (also no physical evidence of the tunnels exist today). In addition the theory of trap doors ("deadfalls") is illogical, why would you have a potential sailor fall about 10 feet down, he would get hurt. In addition the tunnels and trap doors are a waste of time and money, it is just easer to get a man drunk and then carry him to a cart and drive the cart down to the dock. In addition there is only one person who gives "tours" in Portland and this reference is advertising for him. As such I am deleting this information from this entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.237.166.109 (talk • contribs) 14:30, March 2, 2006

 * I think you are probably right, but someone might come along and roll back your delete because you didn't explain it at all (or say "see talk page") in your Edit summary. So it looks like simple blanking. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:37, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, if you could find a reliable source that disputes the shanghaiing stories, that would be helpful. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:38, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Forgot to put that in there. I can't remember any paper sources right off the top of my head and if you try to search online all you will get is web pages related to the commercial tours of the "underground"

But you can contact Richard Engeman the Public Historian at the Oregon Historical Society (503-306-5247, richarde@ohs.org) some time last year he did a lecture on this topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.237.166.109 (talk • contribs) 15:19, March 2, 2006

 * Please do find some sources. I know that rather extensive and very old tunnels do exist beneath Old Town in Portland, and these tunnels do emerge near the waterfront, and tours are regularly given of them.  Stories about the Shanghai Tunnels are profuse around Portland.  Now, I'm willing to entertain the notion that these tunnels were built for some other purpose, and that all the stories about Shanghai-ing are just a (very) well-established urban legend.  However, I think that you need to show some evidence for this.  In an hour of Googling for "Shanghai Tunnels" along with words like "hoax" and "myth" and "fabrication", I found scores of independant sources attesting to the purported reality of the Shanghai tunnels stories (although some of the stories were obviously just prime urban-legend stuff), and not a single source contradicting this.  Therefore, I'm reverting the paragraph, until some evidence to the contrary can be provided.  I encourage you to follow up on this, however.  If the Shanghai Tunnels are indeed an urban legend, then this would merit not a deletion, but an entire explaination of its own, as it is such a significant piece of Portland lore.  Skybum 08:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * The book Wildmen, Wobblies and Whistle Punks by Stewart Holbrook, an old-time Portland journalist, talks about shanghaiing and Portland as a shanghaiing town. I've read it.  You can also check out the wiki entry on shanghaiing, which reiterates the same information.  The only untrue part that I see in the mention of the tunnels is that "a variety of tours are now given":  to the best of my knowledge, only one person gives tours of the tunnels (though he might give a "variety" of them). Katsam 01:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Removed paragraph on Vera Katz
An anonymous user removed the following paragraph:
 * In 2003, Vera Katz, mayor since 1992, announced that she would not seek a fourth term. In the May 18, 2004 primary election, none of the 10 candidates running received a majority of votes, so the two with the most votes -- former police chief Tom Potter and City Commissioner Jim Francesconi -- faced each other in the November general election with Potter defeating Francesconi by a wide margin.

It was later added back in. I personally agree that it should be removed. The election is over, and this article doesn't need to be bogged down with the results of past elections. --Sean Kelly 03:31, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Removed paragraph on PBR
I took out the following paragraph because it sounded like two babbling drunk people. Seriously people, this is an encyclopedia.

 * However, strange as it may sound, per capita, Portland also sells the most Pabst Blue Ribbon, not consider the highest quality by many beer drinkers. This seems to be an apparent backlash to the microbrew revolution. Though it could be that "PBR" is a "not bad" tasteing macro beer that is cheep. - Sean Kelly 12:47, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Good call. --Nate Silva 17:26, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Asa Amos Lawrence Lovejoy
Someone changed founder Lovejoy's first name from Asa to Amos. Google reports both Amos and Asa, and there are a couple of references to "Asa Amos Lawrence Lovejoy", which might have been his full name. But based on two URLs:, Asa seems preferable. 66.167.139.8 11:43, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Page getting big
Does it seem to anyone else that this monolithic page about Portland is getting a little too big? I would like to see more sections be broken out into separate pages. Comments? --Rootbeer 18:46, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * This is what happens when things that are properly done by an individual are instead done by committee. Even the Declaration of Independence was left largely to one person to write, I think. There is waaaayyyy too much nitpicking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.225.84.214 (talk • contribs)

 * The "nitpicking" is part of the process of improvement. If you are not satisfied with it, then don't work on it. This is the place to discuss the Portland, Oregon page. If you would like to discuss the process that Wikipedia uses, then I suggest you take that converstaion elsewhere.  Cacophony 18:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

No mention of the Benson Bubblers!
there is currently no mention of the benson bubblers, but these are a very distinct part of portland, so would someone add them? i would do it myself, but im not sure where in the article to put, and i need to go to bed. -- ericl234   talk  08:52, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

 * Where are you from? In Portland, we call them water fountains or drinking fountains, not bubblers. The first time I (a PDX native) heard the term bubbler was when I was 18 and a high school friend of mine, from Boston, told me about the differences between his English and ours. While I agree that the Benson fountains need to be added, let's call them by the correct term, please. Squidley 06:56, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * They are indeed water fountains, nicknamed "Benson Bubblers", named after Simon Benson, who commissioned the fountain's design. Check out this article. Jacob 07:09, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I've always called them Benson Bubblers and I've lived in Portland my whole life. The Portland Water Bureau calls them Benson Bubblers, too. I'll add a section on them, by the way. StradivariusTV 17:39, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * They are definitely Benson Bubblers. Maybe you should research what you're talking about before you get an attitude about it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.59.77.56 (talk • contribs) 21:24, July 7, 2005

 * On the website for Portland City Hallthey refer to them as "bubblers." Also this article definetly needs to be spliced into separate articles: "Culture of Portland", "History of Portland," etc.--Offkilter 23:07, 26 July 2005 (UTC)'

As has always been explained to me, both "Benson Bubbler" and "Benson Fountain" are appropriate depending on the time of year. Bubblers are on 24/7 and shoot vertically. Drinking fountains are on-demand units that fire diagonally. In the winter, Benson Bubblers are all turned on. During the summer in recent years, they often turn all the bubblers off at all but the most popular bubbler locations and convert one of the bubblers in a cluster of four into a fountain for the water shortage season. Being a native of Portland, I recall being held up by one of my parents to drink from the bublers, but not knowing what a drinking fountain was and that drinking fountains work by fiddling with it until I was 5 on a trip to southern California. The Benson Bubbler is everywhere in city center and Elliot areas...--BalooUrsidae 08:29, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Quite a while ago I linked in Simon Benson under education. The article there descibes Benson Bubblers in some detail. The term bubbler was probably used becuase its an alliteration. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Strickjh (talk • contribs) 14:53, October 20, 2005

 * On the website for Portland City Hall they refer to them as "bubblers." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Offkilter (talk • contribs) 15:07, July 26, 2005

Wikipedia:Oregon Wikigroup Project marked inactive
The Oregon Wikigroup Project has been marked inactive. If there's interest, please join and help it re-activate. 66.167.137.190 08:29, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

time to clean up
This article needs to be cleaned up. As mentioned above, some of this article needs to be splintered off (i.e. the 'quadrants'). The tourist attractions section and below also need to be re-worked. I am going to nominate this article for COTW to get some more help. If Seattle can be a featured article, so can this! There is good stuff here, we just need to clean it up and parse it into some separate articles. Jacob 04:55, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Oops, I was informed that this article couldn't be COTW because it's not a stub. Maybe peer review instead. Jacob 21:25, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Maybe a page like "Regions of Portland", which would include all of the information under Northeast, Southwest etc... but leave behind the general overview? I've seen a number of pages which will include a breif description (often almost recreating the intro paragraph of the destiniation page) underneath the title "See xyz for a full description..." I'd be willing to set that up if no-one objects, and it would cut down on the clutter. --Icelight 00:29, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

 * I think Tourist Attractions, Gardens, etc. should be split off into their own pages. That will make the main article a bit shorter and allow for better organization in the new articles. StradivariusTV 16:09, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I have to agree that this article badly needs some work. It reads as if everyone who has lived -- or heard of -- Portland has stuffed in their favorite trivia, without attention to how the larger article reads. -- llywrch 17:31, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I also agree that the continuity could be improved. I am not really sure why the neighborhoods need racial classifiation.  Where is the threshold at which point a neighborhood becomes "working class" or "ethnically diverse"? Cacophony 00:43, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Ok, so I'm not from Portland, never been there either. But this article really doesn't tell me anything about the city, nor does it make me want to visit! It's quite very poorly organized, and doesn't seem to fit any other standard of any other articles on cities that I've seen so far. A couple of major things: first, the GEOGRAPHY section is very short, and then goes to THE CITY AND THE REGION, which really should be somewhat included in the geography section, but it's not. Seems to me like a lot of the information about the quadrants could be moved into sections on culture and economy. Which brings me to another point: where's the section on ECONOMY (or business)? Somebody looking for info on major companies in Portland isn't going to find it by looking at the contents.

Major sections on TRANSPORTATION, ARCHITECTURE, and PORTLAND IN POPULAR CULTURE, with no text and only links to other articles shouldn't be there. Should be listed under SEE ALSO. Though, there should be a main section called INFRASTRUCTURE, where you would find subsections on GOVERNMENT, SCHOOLS, TRANSPORTATION, and maybe UTILITIES.

A main section called BEER, while interesting, really isn't a main section heading. It should probably be under a main section called PEOPLE AND CULTURE, along with the section on PARKS, SPORTS, and even DEMOGRAPHICS.

Also, the EXTERNAL LINKS section is way too big! Keep it to a minimum, with generally links to the official sites, convention & visitors bureaus, chambers of commerces, and such. Personal websites and links to other businesses in Portland really shouldn't be there. If we were to link to all business in Portland, the page would be way to long. Wikipedia ain't no link farm.

Well, hope that helps. I don't mean to be too critical, but the page does need a major overhaul. Examples of good city pages include some featured articles, including your neighbors in Seattle, Washington, as well as Louisville, Kentucky. The pages for Chicago, Illinois and Washington, D.C. are also pretty well organized. Dr. Cash 01:02, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Washington Park
Hi- I was just looking through this page and noticed that the part on the "Zoo stop" could be a little more informative. I changed it a little bit to reflect that the actual name of the stop is "Washington Park" and also mentioned that it is home to the OREGON Zoo and HOYT Arboretum and also mentioned the International Rose Test Gardens and Japanese Garden as well. I also mentioned that it is the deepest subway stop in the world, which I think is worthy of mention. Still, I think the section could use a little work. I think Washington Park could even use its own page. I'm probably not the one to do it, though, since I don't really know all that much about it. -- Phil Bastian

 * I believe the Washington Park stop is actually only the the deepest in North America. I saw a documentary on cable which listed a train station under Moscow (St. Petersburg) as the deepest in the world.  Quick google search reveals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro, so I could be wrong, the issue shuold probably be researched and resolved there first. -- Glenn Peters

 * That is correct, Glen. It is the deepest in North America. It's 261 ft (79 m) below grade at its deepest point, but I don't have a source for that so don't quote me. The Metro in Pyongyang North Korea is deeper, with Puhung station claimed to be 100 m (328 feet) below street level. I believe that some stations of the Moscow Metro are slightly more than 100 m below the surface. --Nate Silva 7 July 2005 19:10 (UTC)

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Book design

Book design is the art of incorporating the content, style, format, design, and sequence of the various components and elements of a book into a coherent unit. In the words of renowned typographer Jan Tschichold (1902–1974), book design, "though largely forgotten today, [relies upon] methods and rules upon which it is impossible to improve, [and which] have been developed over centuries. To produce perfect books, these rules have to be brought back to life and applied". Richard Hendel describes book design as "an arcane subject", and refers to the need for a context to understand what that means.

Structure
Modern books are paginated consecutively, and all pages are counted in the pagination whether or not the numbers appear (see also: blind folio). The page number, or folio, may be found at the top or the bottom of the page, often flush left verso, flush right recto. The folio may also be printed at the bottom of the page, and in that location it is called a drop folio. Drop folios usually appear either centered on each page or flush left verso and flush right recto. The book contains the main text and a number of paratexts that comprise all of the additional matter that is included in the book.

Front matter
Front matter (or preliminaries; shortened to "prelims") comprises the first section of a book, and is usually the smallest section in terms of the number of pages. Front matter pages are traditionally numbered in lower-case Roman numerals (i, ii, iii, iv, v, etc.), which prevents renumbering the remainder of a book when front matter content is added at the last moment, such as a dedication page or additional acknowledgments. Page number is omitted on blank pages and display pages (i.e., such stand-alone pages as those for the half title, frontispiece, title page, colophon, dedication, and epigraph), and it is either omitted or a drop folio is used on the opening page of each section of the front matter (e.g., table of contents, foreword, preface). Front matter generally appears only in the first of a multi-volume work, although some elements (such as a table of contents or index) may appear in each volume. It can get in the way of reading a book for even the most devoted fans of an author.

The following table defines some common types of front matter, and the "voice" (or point of view) in which each can be said to be given:

Body matter
The structure of a work—and especially of its body matter—is often described hierarchically.

 * Volumes: A set of leaves bound together. Thus each work is either a volume, or is divided into volumes.
 * Books and parts: Single-volume works account for most of the non-academic consumer market in books. A single volume may embody either a part of a book or the whole of a book; in some works, parts encompass multiple books, while in others, books may consist of multiple parts.
 * Chapters and sections: A chapter or section may be contained within a part or a book. When both chapters and sections are used in the same work, the sections are more often contained within chapters than the reverse. Chapters and sections may have intertitles, also known as internal titles.
 * Modules and units: In some books the chapters are grouped into bigger parts, sometimes called modules. The numbering of the chapters can begin again at the start of every module. In educational books, especially, the chapters are often called units.

The first page of the actual text of a book is the opening page, which often incorporates special design features, such as initials. Arabic numbering starts at this first page. If the text is introduced by a second half title or opens with a part title, the half title or part title counts as page one. As in the front matter, page numbers are omitted on blank pages, and are either omitted or a drop folio is used on the opening page of each part and chapter. On pages containing only illustrations or tables, page numbers are usually omitted, except in the case of a long sequence of figures or tables.

The following are two instructive examples:
 * The Lord of the Rings has three parts (either in one volume each, or in a single volume), with each part containing two books, each containing, in turn, multiple chapters.
 * The Christian Bible (usually bound as a single volume) comprises two "testaments" (which might more typically be described as "parts", and differ in length by a factor of three or four), each containing dozens of books of varying lengths. In turn, each book (except for the shortest) contains multiple chapters, which are traditionally divided (for purposes of citation) into "verses" each containing roughly one independent clause.

Back matter (end matter)
The back matter, also known as end matter, if used, normally consists of one or more of the following components:

Arabic numbering continues for the back matter.

Front cover, spine, and back cover

The front cover is the front of the book, and is marked appropriately by text or graphics in order to identify it as such (namely as the very beginning of the book). The front cover usually contains at least the title or author, with possibly an appropriate illustration. When the book has a soft or hard cover with dust jacket, the cover yields all or part of its informational function to the dust jacket.

On the inside of the cover page, extending to the facing page is the front endpaper sometimes referred as FEP. The free half of the end paper is called a flyleaf. Traditionally, in hand-bound books, the endpaper was just a sheet of blank or ornamented paper physically masking and reinforcing the connection between the cover and the body of the book. In modern publishing it can be either plain, as in many text-oriented books, or variously ornamented and illustrated in books such as picture books, other children's literature, some arts and craft and hobbyist books, novelty/gift-market and coffee table books, and graphic novels. These books have an audience and traditions of their own where the graphic design and immediacy is especially important and publishing tradition and formality are less important.

The spine is the vertical edge of a book as it normally stands on a bookshelf. Early books did not have titles on their spines; rather they were shelved flat with their spines inward and titles written with ink along their fore edges. Modern books display their titles on their spines.

In languages with Chinese-influenced writing systems, the title is written top-to-bottom. In languages written from left to right, the spine text can be pillar (one letter per line), transverse (text line perpendicular to long edge of spine) and along spine. Conventions differ about the direction in which the title along the spine is rotated:

In texts published or printed in the United States, the United Kingdom, the Commonwealth, Scandinavia and the Netherlands, the spine text, when the book is standing upright, runs from the top to the bottom. This means that when the book is lying flat with the front cover upwards, the title is oriented left-to-right on the spine. This practice is reflected in the industry standards ANSI/NISO Z39.41 and ISO 6357., but "... lack of agreement in the matter persisted among English-speaking countries as late as the middle of the twentieth century, when books bound in Britain still tended to have their titles read up the spine ...".
 * top-to-bottom (descending):

In many continental European countries, where the ascending system has been used in the past, the descending system has been used in recent decades, probably due to the influence of the English-speaking countries, such as Italy, Russia, Poland and elsewhere.

In many continental European and Latin American countries, the spine text, when the book is standing upright, runs from the bottom up, so the title can be read by tilting the head to the left. This allows the reader to read spines of books shelved in alphabetical order in accordance to the usual way left-to-right and top-to-bottom.
 * bottom-to-top (ascending):

The spine usually contains all, or some, of four elements (besides decoration, if any), and in the following order: (1) author, editor, or compiler; (2) title; (3) publisher; and (4) publisher logo.

On the inside of the back cover page, extending from the facing page before it, is the endpaper. Its design matches the front endpaper and, in accordance with it, contains either plain paper or pattern, image etc.

The back cover often contains biographical matter about the author or editor, and quotes from other sources praising the book. It may also contain a summary or description of the book

Binding
Books are classified under two categories according to the physical nature of their binding. The designation hardcover (or hardback) refers to books with stiff covers, as opposed to flexible ones. The binding of a hardcover book usually includes boards (often made of paperboard) covered in cloth, leather, or other materials. The binding is usually sewn to the pages using string stitching.

A less expensive binding method is that used for paperback books (sometimes called softback or softcover). Most paperbacks are bound with paper or light cardboard, though other materials (such as plastic) are used. The covers are flexible and usually bound to the pages using glue (perfect binding). Some small paperback books are sub-classified as pocketbooks. These paperbacks are smaller than usual—small enough to barely fit into a pocket (especially the back pocket of one's trousers). However, this capacity to fit into a pocket diminishes with increasing number of pages and increasing thickness of the book. Such a book may still be designated as a pocketbook.

Other items
Some books such as Bibles or dictionaries may have a thumb index to help find material quickly. Gold leaf may also be applied to the edges of the pages, so that when closed, the side, top, and bottom of the book have a golden color. On some books, a design may be printed on the edges, or marbling or a simple colour applied. Some artist's books go even further, by using fore-edge painting. Pop-up elements and fold-out pages may be used to add dimensions to the page in different ways. Children's books commonly incorporate a wide array of design features built into the fabric of the book. Some books for preschoolers include textured fabric, plastic on other materials. Die-cut techniques in the work of Eric Carle are one example. Clear or reflective surfaces, flaps, textiles and scratch-and-sniff are other possible features.

Page spread
A basic unit in book design is the page spread. The left page and right page (called verso and recto respectively, in left-to-right language books) are of the same size and aspect ratio, and are centered on the gutter where they are bound together at the spine.

The design of each individual page, on the other hand, is governed by the canons of page construction.

The possible layout of the sets of letters of the alphabet, or words, on a page is determined by the so-called print space, and is also an element in the design of the page of the book. There must be sufficient space at the spine of the book if the text is to be visible. On the other hand, the other three margins of the page, which frame the book, are made of the appropriate size for both practical and aesthetic reasons.

Print space
The print space or type area determines the effective area on the paper of a book, journal or other press work. The print space is limited by the surrounding borders, or in other words the gutters outside the printed area.

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List of games compatible with EyeToy

This article provides a list of games that are compatible with the EyeToy camera peripheral on the PlayStation 2.

EyeToy specific games
These games require the EyeToy to be played.

EyeToy Enhanced Games
These games may be used with the EyeToy optionally. They have an "EyeToy Enhanced" label on the box.
 * AFL Premiership 2005 (Sony. Also see section Cameo.)
 * Buzz! The Music Quiz (Sony, late 2005)
 * Buzz! The Big Quiz (Sony, March 2006)
 * Buzz! The Mega Quiz - Multiplayer mode
 * Dance Dance Revolution Extreme (North America) (Konami, 2004) - EyeToy mini games, "hands and feet" mode, and the ability to see yourself dancing.
 * DDR Festival Dance Dance Revolution (Konami, 2004) - EyeToy mini games, "hands and feet" mode, and the ability to see yourself dancing.
 * Dancing Stage Fusion (Konami, 2004) - EyeToy mini games, "hands and feet" mode, and the ability to see yourself dancing.
 * Dance Dance Revolution Extreme 2 (Konami, 2005) - EyeToy mini games, "hands and feet" mode, and the ability to see yourself dancing.
 * Dancing Stage Max (Konami, 2005) - EyeToy mini games, "hands and feet" mode, and the ability to see yourself dancing.
 * Dance Dance Revolution Strike (Konami, 2006) - EyeToy mini games, "hands and feet" mode, and the ability to see yourself dancing.
 * Dance Dance Revolution SuperNova (North America) (Konami, 2006) - EyeToy mini games, "hands and feet" mode, and the ability to see yourself dancing.
 * Dance Dance Revolution SuperNova (Konami, 2007) - EyeToy mini games, "hands and feet" mode, and the ability to see yourself dancing.
 * Dancing Stage SuperNova (Europe) (Konami, 2007) - EyeToy mini games, "hands and feet" mode, and the ability to see yourself dancing.
 * Dance Dance Revolution SuperNova 2 (North America) (Konami, 2007) - EyeToy mini games, "hands and feet" mode, and the ability to see yourself dancing.
 * Dance Dance Revolution SuperNova 2 (Konami, 2008) - EyeToy mini games, "hands and feet" mode, and the ability to see yourself dancing.
 * Dance Factory - players can optionally see themselves dancing, additional mode with 2 camera targets.
 * DT Racer (XS Games, 2005) - photo taken by EyeToy can be used as a custom avatar
 * Formula One 05 (Sony, mid-2004)
 * Flow: Urban Dance Uprising
 * Go! Puzzle (Sony, June 2007) - For PlayStation 3
 * Get On Da Mic (Eidos, 2004) - players can see their performance
 * Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (Electronic Arts, 2004) - features EyeToy minigames
 * Jackie Chan Adventures (Sony, 2004) - features EyeToy minigames
 * Lemmings (Team17, 2006) - only 20 levels are EyeToy compatible
 * LittleBigPlanet (Media Molecule, 2008) - players can take pictures to be used as in-game stickers for placement on walls and other surfaces
 * LMA Manager 2005 (Codemasters, 2004) - players can have their pictures on in-game newspapers
 * NBA 07
 * Racing Battle: C1 Grand Prix (Genki, 2005) - Used to capture textures to be used as car stickers in the bodypaint interface
 * SingStar series (Sony, 2004-2009) - singers can optionally see themselves when singing
 * The Sims 2 (Electronic Arts, 2005) - The player can take a picture of themselves, which Sims can paint as a piece of artwork
 * Stuart Little 3: Big Photo Adventure
 * The Polar Express (THQ, 2004) - features some EyeToy minigames
 * The Sims 2: Pets
 * The Urbz: Sims in the City (EA, 2004) - players can have their faces on in-game billboards
 * Tony Hawk's Underground 2
 * YetiSports Arctic Adventures (JoWooD Productions, 2005) - Features exclusive EyeToy multi-player games. The packaging claims it only works with the EyeToy but it isn't.
 * Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? Party Edition (Eidos Interactive, late 2006) - players can have their 'mugshots' on a winning check (Also supports Buzz! Buzzers)

EyeToy Cameo
EyeToy: Cameo is a system for allowing players to include their own images as avatars in other games. Games that support the feature include a head scanning program that can be used to generate a 3D model of the player's head. Once stored on a memory card, this file is then available in games that support the Cameo feature. EyeToy: Cameo licenses the head creation technology Digimask.

Supported games

 * AFL Premiership 2005
 * AFL Premiership 2006
 * AND 1 Streetball
 * CMT Presents: Karaoke Revolution Country
 * EyeToy: Kinetic
 * EyeToy: Play
 * EyeToy: Play 2
 * EyeToy: Play 3
 * Eyetoy: Hero
 * Formula One 05
 * Gaelic Games: Football
 * Gretzky NHL 2005
 * Karaoke Revolution Party
 * Karaoke Revolution Presents: American Idol
 * MLB 2005
 * MLB '06: The Show
 * MLB '07: The Show
 * MLB '08: The Show
 * MLB '09: The Show
 * The Sims 2
 * This Is Football 2005
 * Tony Hawk's Underground 2
 * Tony Hawk's American Wasteland
 * World Tour Soccer 2006

title: List of games compatible with EyeToy