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Talk:KSTP (AM)

IN the first graf, it's noted that KSTP is a clear-channel station. However, KSTP is NOT clear-channel - it's directional westward at night. There's another station at 1500 (in Philadelphia, if memory serves).

I think that assertion is in error. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mitchberg (talk • contribs)

 * Yeah I'm confused about this too - the other 1500 is WWWT in Washington, DC. KSTP is listed on the Clear Channel page, and the first paragraph says it is, but the article later states it's not. Mystic Pixel (talk) 06:56, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Many clear-channel stations are directional; this has no bearing on the station's status. See http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/audio/amclasses.html and note that KSTP is listed as a class-A station.  121a0012 (talk) 01:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

 * OK, thanks for clearing that up. Mystic Pixel (talk) 21:59, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

The link for "Chuck Knapp" is wrong. Wikipedia does not currently have "DJ Chuck Knapp" in the system. The "DJ Chuck Knapp" can be found on pavekmuseum.org and wrko.org. Knapp has been involved in "Christian" Radio this past decade, but I remember him from circa '73/'74. He was fairly irreverent and a loose cannon. His morning show was called "Knapp in the Morning" and every so often he'd call that out and occassionally mixed in a "Crap in the Morning" instead. At the end of a promo for some "consumer loan" operation, he 'recommended' that people go down to their office and "get ripped off by the high interest rates". KSTP eventually reined him in by promoting him to program director. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Newidforjohn (talk • contribs) 12:38, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Notable host: Machine Gun Kelly
Listed as a Notable Host is "Machine Gun Kelly". Is this the gangster? When did he host on AM1500? Tmagsadie (talk) 11:57, 5 June 2010 (UTC)tmag

Vendors
We were at the top of the stadium, sec 302 row 15. 3 beer vendors vame through, one had 2 hotdogs left. No water, soda, or food except those 2 hotdogs. All beer. Im ok with that. Lol John bladow (talk) 14:16, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

KSTP-AM in Summer 1981
I tuned into KSTP-AM during the summer of 1981. It had become heavily news and talk focused by this time. But they would still play some music. However, the music was wee bit behind the times. 63 KDWB and KS95-FM had far better music selections. I'm sure KSTP-AM was better than this back in the 70's as far as music play. By fall 1982, music was virtually a thing of the past on this station. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dandy883 (talk • contribs) 04:50, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:Wise Children

I deleted the attempt that I had with drawing a family tree diagram as someone else has added a much better one. Thanks! 172.206.37.218 20:54, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

 * This article needs to be rewritten with more fluent and grammatically correct English.

WookieLord WookieLord

 * Revert the re-rating as this is a ponderous plot summary, which is really too detailed. Little supporting citations or referencing given. This should be addressed. :: Kevinalewis  : (Talk Page) /(Desk)  13:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

i quite like it. SO THERE 172.215.39.80 19:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

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Plot summary
The plot summary was overlong and divided into separate chapters. I've restored a much briefer version from an older revision. . --Tony Sidaway 01:06, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for destorying wikipedia 137.222.229.74 (talk) 00:21, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

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Men (magazine)

Men was an American gay pornographic magazine originally published as Advocate Men from 1984 until 1997, when it was retitled Men. It was published by Los Angeles-based Specialty Publications. The magazine contains explicit nude male photography, often featuring popular stars from the gay adult film industry, erotic fiction, erotic comics, video reviews and other features. Notable models have included Zeb Atlas and Mark Dalton. Notable artists include Gerard Donelan who contributed erotic comics to the magazine for eight years. In late 2009, it was announced that all of Specialty Publications' gay porn magazines would be merged into Unzipped.net. The website in question is no longer available and no issues of any of the magazines have been released since.

History
Advocate Men started as a sister publication to The Advocate, a gay and lesbian news monthly, and became a monthly publication from November 1984. Starting with the October 1997 issue it changed its name to simply Men.

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Australian Cup

The Australian Cup is a Victoria Racing Club Group 1 Thoroughbred horse race for horses three years old and older, held under Weight for Age conditions, over a distance of 2000 metres, at Flemington Racecourse, Melbourne, Australia in March during the VRC Autumn Racing Carnival. Total prize money for the race is A$3,000,000.

History
The race was once Australia's premier long distance race, raced at a distance of 18 furlongs (3621m) - thus, longer than the Melbourne Cup. In 1943 the race was shortened to 17 furlongs 110 yards to allow the race to be started from the top of Flemington's famous Straight Six, to have bigger fields.

The VRC in the early 1960s shortened the distance to $1 1/4$ miles to attract classier middle distance gallopers.

Stakes were increased from $1 million to $1.5 million in 2016.

Distance

 * 1863–1942 -  $2 1/4$ miles (~3627m)
 * 1943–1962 –  2 miles $1 1/2$ furlongs (~3528m)
 * 1963 - $1 3/4$ miles (~2821m)
 * 1964–1972 -  $1 1/4$ miles (~2015m)
 * 1973 onwards - 2000 metres

Conditions

 * 1863–1978 - Handicap
 * 1979–1982 - Weight for Age
 * 1983–1986 - Handicap
 * 1987 onwards - Weight for Age

Grade

 * 1863–1979 - Principal Race
 * 1979 onwards - Group 1

Venue
In 2007 the race was run at Caulfield Racecourse due to refurbishment work at Flemington Racecourse.

Records
Makybe Diva won this race in 2005 in the Australian record time of 1:58:73, which beat Northerly's previous record. The most successful trainer has been Bart Cummings with thirteen wins – 1968, 1973, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1980, 1981, 1985, 1992, 1996, 1998, 2008.

The most successful jockey is Tom Hales who won the Australian Cup eight times – Lurline (1875), Richmond (1876), Savanaka (1879), Navigator (1883), Morpeth (1884), Trident (1887), Carlyon (1888), Dreadnought (1890).

Winners

 * 2024 - Cascadian
 * 2023 - Cascadian
 * 2022 - Duais
 * 2021 - Homesman
 * 2020 - Fifty Stars
 * 2019 - Harlem
 * 2018 - Harlem
 * 2017 - Humidor
 * 2016 - Preferment
 * 2015 - Spillway
 * 2014 - Fiorente
 * 2013 - Super Cool
 * 2012 - Manighar
 * 2011 - Shocking
 * 2010 - Zipping
 * 2009 - Niconero
 * 2008 - Sirmione
 * 2007 - Pompeii Ruler
 * 2006 - Roman Arch
 * 2005 - Makybe Diva
 * 2004 - Lonhro
 * 2003 - Northerly
 * 2002 - Old Comrade
 * 2001 - Northerly
 * 2000 - Intergaze
 * 1999 - Istidaad
 * 1998 - Dane Ripper
 * 1997 - Octagonal
 * 1996 - Saintly
 * 1995 - Starstruck
 * 1994 - Durbridge
 * 1993 - Veandercross
 * 1992 - Let's Elope
 * 1991 - Better Loosen Up
 * 1990 - Vo Rogue
 * 1989 - Vo Rogue
 * 1988 - Dandy Andy
 * 1987 - Bonecrusher
 * 1986 - Playful Princess
 * 1985 - Noble Peer
 * 1984 - Admiral Lincoln
 * 1983 - Spectrum
 * 1982 - Kip
 * 1981 - Hyperno
 * 1980 - Ming Dynasty
 * 1979 - Dulcify
 * 1978 - Ming Dynasty
 * 1977 - Ngawyni
 * 1976 - Lord Dudley
 * 1975 - Leilani
 * 1974 - Bush Win
 * 1973 - Gladman
 * 1972 - Jan's Beau
 * 1971 - Gay Icarus
 * 1970 - Crewman
 * 1969 - †Yootha / Cyron
 * 1968 - Arctic Coast
 * 1967 - Bore Head
 * 1966 - Craftsman
 * 1965 - Craftsman
 * 1964 - Grand Print
 * 1963 - Welkin Prince
 * 1962 - Welkin Prince
 * 1961 - Dream King
 * 1960 - Illoura
 * 1959 - Gaybao
 * 1958 - Dream Son
 * 1957 - Miss High Caste
 * 1956 - Pushover
 * 1955 - Hellion
 * 1954 - Sunish
 * 1953 - Arbroath
 * 1952 - Murray Glen
 * 1951 - Bold Belle
 * 1950 - Bold John
 * 1949 - New Cashmere
 * 1948 - Bannerette
 * 1947 - Sydney James
 * 1946 - Knockarlow
 * 1945 - Spectre
 * 1944 - Similar
 * 1943 - Taramoa
 * 1942 - Wise Counsel
 * 1941 - Saul
 * 1940 - Indignity
 * 1939 - Pageant
 * 1938 - Marauder
 * 1937 - Mutable
 * 1936 - Amalia
 * 1935 - Sylvandale
 * 1934 - Heroic Prince
 * 1933 - Topical
 * 1932 - Madstar
 * 1931 - Carry On
 * 1930 - Nadean
 * 1929 - Some Quality
 * 1928 - Sea Money
 * 1927 - Spearfelt
 * 1926 - Pilliewinkie
 * 1925 - Answer
 * 1924 - Accarak
 * 1923 - Prince Cox
 * 1922 - Harvest King
 * 1921 - The Rover
 * 1920 - Macadam
 * 1919 - New Tipperary
 * 1918 - Defence
 * 1917 - Harriet Graham
 * 1916 - Cherubini
 * 1915 - Lempriere
 * 1914 - Wallalo
 * 1913 - Almissa
 * 1912 - †Saxonite / Prizefighter
 * 1911 - The Parisian
 * 1910 - Orline
 * 1909 - Pendil
 * 1908 - Peru
 * 1907 - Realm
 * 1906 - Tartan
 * 1905 - Lord Ullin's Daughter
 * 1904 - Marmont
 * 1903 - Great Scot
 * 1902 - Blue Metal
 * 1901 - Dreamland
 * 1900 - La Carabine
 * 1899 - Bobadil
 * 1898 - Ayrshire
 * 1897 - Coil
 * 1896 - Idolator
 * 1895 - Havoc
 * 1894 - Broken Hill
 * 1893 - Portsea
 * 1892 - Highborn
 * 1891 - Vengeance
 * 1890 - Dreadnought
 * 1889 - Lochiel
 * 1888 - Carlyon
 * 1887 - Trident
 * 1886 - Malua
 * 1885 - Ringwood
 * 1884 - Morpeth
 * 1883 - Navigator
 * 1882 - Pollio
 * 1881 - Firstwater
 * 1880 - Columbus
 * 1879 - Savanaka
 * 1878 - First King
 * 1877 - Sybil
 * 1876 - Richmond
 * 1875 - Lurline
 * 1874 - Protos
 * 1873 - Warrior
 * 1872 - ‡Saladin
 * 1871 - Nimblefoot
 * 1870 - Norma
 * 1869 - Gasworks
 * 1868 - Shenandoah
 * 1867 - Tim Whiffler
 * 1866 - Woodman
 * 1865 - Woodman
 * 1864 - Nathalie
 * 1863 - Barwon

† Dead heat

‡ Saladin and Flying Dutchman dead heated. After a re-run they dead heated again. On a second re-run Saladin was victorious.

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Something Like Happiness

Something Like Happiness (Czech title: Štěstí ) is a 2005 Czech movie directed by Bohdan Sláma. It is about finding hope in the midst of disappointment by three young people who grew up in the same run-down block of flats and are now coming of age. The film won the Golden Seashell at the San Sebastian Film Festival.

Cast

 * Anna Geislerová - Dasha
 * Pavel Liška - Toník
 * Tatiana Vilhelmová - Monika
 * Marek Daniel - Jára
 * Zuzana Kronerová - Teta
 * Vanda Hybnerová - Ženuška

Awards

 * Seven Czech Lions (2005)

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York–Durham Heritage Railway

The York–Durham Heritage Railway was a heritage railway in both the York Region and the Durham Region of Ontario, Canada, north of Toronto.

The railway formerly operated excursion trains from Uxbridge. Trips had various travel times depending on the event or festival.

The railway ran on the tracks of the former Toronto and Nipissing Railway. Metrolinx owns and operates the line south from Stouffville GO Station as the Stouffville line.

In 2022 the railway reported financial difficulties, and as of January 2024 has ceased all operations and filed for bankruptcy protection.

Operations
The York–Durham Heritage Railway operated non-stop from the Uxbridge Station on the Metrolinx Uxbridge Subdivision.

Trains were usually scheduled on weekends from June through mid-October, and were pulled by an Alco RS-11 diesel locomotive, #3612, which was built for the Duluth, Winnipeg & Pacific Railway in 1956. Coaches included both vintage heavyweights built in the 1910s and 1920s, and lightweight cars from 1954.

The railway cars are stored at an open rail yard on Railway Street/King Street West in Uxbridge, Ontario. Several railway sheds are on the yard. The most significant is the Uxbridge Station, built in 1904.

As of 2022, the YDHR was operated by nine full-time staff supplemented by 88 part-time and seasonal workers and volunteers of the York–Durham Heritage Railway Association. On January 21, 2024 it was announced that all operations were ceased and the railway had filed for bankruptcy protection forever never to be bought again.

Railway History
The Uxbridge Subdivision was built in 1871 as the Toronto and Nipissing Railway, a narrow-gauge line. The line was converted to shortly after being acquired by the Midland Railway in 1882. Following a series of mergers and acquisitions, the line became part of the Canadian National Railway (CN) in 1923.

In the 1980s, CN began to abandon the line. Tracks north of Uxbridge were lifted, but the line south of Uxbridge was purchased by GO Transit (now Metrolinx) to preserve it for possible Uxbridge - Toronto commuter rail service. Until such a service is introduced, the York-Durham Railway is the sole operator north of Old Elm station.

Locomotives

 * 1951 MLW RS-3 #1310
 * 1955 MLW RS-3 #22
 * 1956 ALCO RS-11 #3612
 * 1603 ONR GP-9 #1603 on lease to the YDHR 2023-2024

Passenger Cars

 * 1919 Pullman Company Colonist sleeper #4960
 * 1930 CCF Solarium/Lounge car #15041, (ex-CNR)
 * 1950s Coaches # 3233, 3209 (ex-CNR)
 * 1955 Budd coaches #101 - #106, converted from Rail Diesel Cars to coaches in 2008.

Non-passenger cars

 * 1919 National Steel Car boxcar #406308 (ex-CNR)
 * 1950 CCF flatcar #662339 (ex-CNR)
 * 1953 caboose #434908 (ex-CPR)
 * 1957 National Steel Car Baggage car #9636
 * hopper car #165 (ex-Green Bay and Western Railway)
 * 3 track inspection cars

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Kelvin Tan

Kelvin Tan Wei Lian (陈伟联, born 5 October 1981) is a Singaporean former Mandopop singer who earned a living as a busker before he won the first edition of Project SuperStar in 2005. He has released three albums, All I Want Is... (2006), i-Weilian (2007) and Moving Notes...Kelvin Tan (2009). He also had a solo concert at the Singapore Expo, lead a choir at the opening ceremony at the 2008 Summer Paralympics, and singing Singapore's 2009 National Day Parade's theme song.

Early life
Born blind due to Leber's congenital amaurosis (which causes the retina to disintegrate), Tan grew up listening to 1980s Mandopop ballads, which inspired him to learn to play the piano and guitar. He studied at the Singapore School for the Visually Handicapped and Dunearn Secondary School. After his O-Levels, he worked as a massage therapist and a singer at a café. He also busked at Jurong East and Waterloo Street, playing his guitar and singing Mandopop ballads for two to eight hours per day. According to The New Paper reporter Mindy Tan, his performances drew large crowds (including Malays and Indians), some of whom were so "impressed [by] his music" that they would "sit on the pavement nearby for up to an hour listening to him".

Project SuperStar
Tan and four blind friends auditioned for the inaugural season of Project SuperStar, but only he was accepted as a contestant. Throughout the competition, there was extensive debate over whether viewers were voting for him out of sympathy and whether a blind man who could not dance deserved the title. Further controversy arose when his home address was posted online and fans offered him sex services.

Tan emerged as the male champion and entered the grand final against female champion Kelly Poon. The judges gave Poon more favourable reviews, but Tan garnered 64% of the 533,000 telephone votes. Both finalists also released limited edition singles; Tan's cover of Fairytale (童话) by Michael Wong sold 12,239 copies, while Poon's cover of Lost Goodness (遗失的美好) by Angela Chang sold 11,319 copies. Thus, Tan became the grand champion and was awarded a recording contract with Play Music.

Music career
Tan's debut album All I Want Is... (我只是想要), which contains four original songs and all of his famous competition recordings including Fairytale (童话), Matchstick Heaven (火柴天堂), Heaven Knows, 其实你不懂我的心, etc., was certified platinum in Singapore within five days of its release. Its title track topped the Singapore music charts in February 2006, while another of its songs, Touch (触摸 ), won Best Theme Song at the 2006 Star Awards. The debut album also had another TOP chart hit 爱恨难. In total, the album sold 45,000 copies in Singapore and 15,000 copies in Malaysia.

In 2006, Tan staged a solo concert at the Max Pavilion of the Singapore Expo, which sold 5,000 seats.

In 2007, his second album, i-Weilian (i伟联), was released and the song Ordinary Man (普通的人) topped the Singapore charts that October. Besides Ordinary Man, I Love You also hit Number 1 regionally in the Global Music Chart, which consolidates chart results from Taiwan, Hong Kong, China, Malaysia and Singapore. His 3rd single, 亲爱的请做个好梦, from the album also hit TOP 5 in Singapore's YES 933 醉心龙虎榜 chart. This album eventually sold 15,000 copies in Singapore and 20,000 copies in Taiwan.

In 2008, Tan and Sun Yajun led a choir rendition of the song, On The Same Blue Planet (同在蓝色星球上), at the opening ceremony of the 2008 Summer Paralympics sailing regatta at Qingdao, China.

In 2009, Kelvin released his third album, Moving Notes...Kelvin Tan (走场陈伟联). This critically acclaimed original album includes his self composed melodies with the biggest lyricists in Chinese music, including Liang Wern Fook, Albert Leung, 小寒, Yao Qian (姚谦), Daryl Yeo (姚若龙), 吴玉康, Lo-Jung Chen, Kevin Yi, etc. It also included a popular interpretation of Chang Yu-sheng's 大海, which had Kelvin playing the piano in the sea in the music video. The songs from the album, Forever Friends (永远的朋友) and Break Up Letter (分手的请书) topped the Singapore charts in October 2009, while the album peaked at 5th in the Taiwan charts in February 2010. In addition, 分手的请书 won two awards at the 2010 Singapore Entertainment Awards and 我们 (Together) won Best Theme Song at the 2010 Star Awards. However, his contract with Warner Music expired in September 2010 and was not renewed.

In 2009, he was selected to sing Right Here (就在这里), the Mandarin version of the National Day Parade theme song What Do You See?, and four years later, he sang a tribute song to Singapore named Treasure Every Moment.

In July 2017, Kelvin released brand new Mandarin album 新谣 (The Singapore Songbook), which is a tribute to the heritage of local writers and compositions in Singapore. In it, Kelvin interprets household classic tunes from the 80s, 90s and 00s; including Liang's Friendship Forever (细水长流), 夜的眩晕, 让夜轻轻落下, Dick Lee's Home, Roy Li's 等你等到我心痛, Eric Moo's 你是我的唯一, 情谊藏心里, among others. The album was released digitally only and topped the charts at iTunes. The album design was also conceptually done by Singapore renowned artist 阿果.

In 2017, Kelvin's multi-language rendition of a National Day song medley went viral, amassing over 300,000 views on his page alone. The medley consisted of English, Chinese, Malay and Tamil National Day songs, and was highly praised for the sensitivity and fluency of Kelvin's interpretation. The same video went viral again in 2019 to a whole new audience.

In 2019, Kelvin was invited to perform the theme song, 守护你的善良, for Mediacorp's Channel 8 TV Drama, You Can Be An Angel 3 (你也可以是天使3). The song was a hit and well received by audience which won the title of Best TV Drama Theme Song at the 2019 Star Awards.

Acting career
He acted in the getai movie 881 and several television serials (notably The Dream Chasers), winning Most Popular Newcomer at the 2006 Star Awards. However, he declined further roles, describing acting as "not [his] cup of tea because there's nothing else [he] could act as except a blind man". He also participated in variety television shows in Singapore (notably as a guest judge on Campus Superstar) and Taiwan (such as Happy Sunday), but some Taiwanese hosts rejected him over fears that their jokes would offend him. Another controversy arose when he was a contestant on the Singapore Mandarin edition of Don't Forget The Lyrics, as netizens were concerned that being unable to see the monitor would disadvantage him.

Sports career
In 2015, Tan represented Singapore in Goalball at the 2015 ASEAN Para Games held in Singapore.

Philanthropy
Due to his disability and achievements, Tan has been an ambassador for several local disability awareness campaigns and performed in various charity shows, including a concert to raise funds for victims of the 2008 Sichuan earthquake. In his spare time, he works as a guide for the Singapore edition of Dialogue in the Dark, an exhibition that helps sighted people understand the experiences of blind people.

Personal life
Tan lives in a four-room HDB flat in western Singapore, together with his father (a mechanic), mother (a housewife), and younger sister (a research analyst). Despite his success, he continues to take public transport, eat at hawker centres and go out with friends. He enjoys bowling and was one of only two totally blind Singaporeans who played the sport competitively, even winning a competition organised by the blind associations of Singapore and Perth. In 2012, he picked up running, joined RunningHour (a running club for people with disabilities) and participated in the 10 km run of the Singapore Marathon.

In 2020, Tan was engaged. Tan was married to his wife Inez Hung two years later after having met through golfball games.

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Talk:Intrusion detection system

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 29 August 2020 and 29 August 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Erdi Hida. Peer reviewers: Charles Wills.

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IDS Terminology
IDS stans for intrustion detection system. This section needs to be cleaned up. It should not just be a list of terms. One suggestion would be to integrate this terminology into the other sections. --71.90.69.48 (talk) 05:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)--71.90.69.48 (talk) 05:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

 * I've taken the liberty of merging and removing this section. This change contains the complete list of terms (many of which are not really related to IDS at all) Namnatulco (talk) 15:51, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

IDS Evasion
I've fleshed out the IDS evasion section - and since it was about the same size as the rest of the IDS section, I put it on its own page. The 'IDS Evasion with Unicode' link is also on the new page. --Sgorton 21:15, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Detection methods
Hello, I'd like to add more content at the detection methods->signature based, also extending the references with a book reference. Can I do it? The content would be, "many signature-based systems rely solely on their signature database in order to detect attacks. If we do not have a signature for the attack, they may not see it at all." Regards, --Miklosq (talk) 18:04, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

 * Editors are encouraged to be WP:BOLD and add new content, especially content with citations. No need to discuss beforehand unless controversy is expected for some specific reason. If there is a problem it will be reverted or improved by other editors. ~Kvng (talk) 15:22, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Merge with NIDS
While it's good that there’s a separate article on the network-side of IDS, I don't think its worthy of its own page (especially seeing how small the NIDS page is, 3 paragraphs). Since NIDS is the networking part of IDS, and we have this page on IDS, I believe we should incorporate the NIDS page into this one as its own section, and have a redirect from NIDS to here. Ghostalker 21:28, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I tagged the articles appropriately. I'm neutral on the merge. -- intgr 21:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the merge proposals. -- Rama
 * I also agree with the merge proposal --Sgorton 18:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Not all intrusion detection systems are network-based. There are also host-based intrusion detection systems. For that reason, if they are merged, you need to be clear to which kind you're refering. KD 18:59, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest only merging the NIDS if you're going to merge all major types (e.g. Network-based, Host-based, Application-based, Signature-based, Statistical Anomoly-based) of IDS into this article--otherwise, it makes more sense to have separate pages and links. (User mmh6577)

I concur with mmh6577. We'd be better off expanding the NIDS page, e.g. moving there all the network-related stuff, and linking properly here all the content for Host IDS, etc. Mauro Cicognini 15:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I enjoyed a clear definition of nids on a separate page. If merge pages, please let nids as a clearly marked chapter.

NIDS and HIDS are two subsections of IDS and as such should be separate chapters.

1. IDS - 2 basic types: A. NIDS (Network based) B. HIDS (Host based)

I dont approve of merging the NIDS article to preserve the hierarchy & the structure of the main article the "IDS" if u want to merge the "NIDS" u'll have to add the other articles "PIDS", "APIDS" to the main one. Marco C.

 * I think it will be better to leave them as it it is and let IDS point to NIDS as there is a relation.

Any way a clear definition of IDS which at present is given is a must —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Against Merging--an IDS is not just a NIDS, as was mentioned above Anapologetos (talk) 12:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Against merging because both pages will probably be growing soon. --Clangin (talk) 15:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I am also against merging. I think the current IDS page should define the fundamentals on how it works and keep the more in-depth explanation to the respective pages (NIDS/HIPS/etc). Breadtk (talk) 20:46, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia IDS page example
Hello, you can see what is done on the french version of this similar page: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syst%C3%A8me_de_d%C3%A9tection_d%27intrusion —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toady (talk • contribs) 15:41, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

Analogy
I find the analogies of firewall = locks, ids = burglar alarm quite useful. Is it worth adding this in somewhere? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Segrub (talk • contribs) 09:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

 * The locks analogy is misleading, because it is also used to describe preventive security measures, such as cryptographic signatures. I've added some examples to the introduction instead, I hope those are similarly helpful. Namnatulco (talk) 16:03, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

intrusion detection or intrusion-detection?
Both are used in the article, please decide on one and then use it throughout the article. Also see Intrusion-prevention system. ItchyDE (talk) 14:15, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

 * IMHO, the correct term is without the "-"; at least that's the way I've seen it in most sources (eg: NIST 800-series guide). Regards, DPdH (talk) 16:19, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Network intrusion detection system
NIDS/NIPS is subset of IDS ♠♠ BanëJ ♠♠ (Talk) 06:25, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Looks like this merge has been done. ~Kvng (talk) 06:27, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

IDS/IPS/NIDS and the HIDS article
While re-organizing this page a little, I noticed that a lot of information in the article was jumbled together, probably due to a hurried merge of the intrusion prevention system and network-based intrusion detection system articles. I've tried to separate the relevant parts, but I think there is quite a bit of overlap in the current form of the article. Some of the terminology and classifications don't correspond to what we teach here (which is based on the books by Matt Bishop, notably ISBN 0201440997), but I'd need to have a closer look at the IPS literature to figure out the details. Namnatulco (talk) 16:00, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Add IDS Placement Section
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Erdi_Hida/Intrusion_detection_system

Id like to add a section that discusses the possibles placement of intrusion detection systems and what different purposes they would serve. Above is a link to the sandbox where I have been working on it. You may ignore what is below the ids placement section in that sandbox. Any comments or thoughts would be appreciated. Erdi Hida (talk) 05:18, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

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Three Men and a Comic Book

"Three Men and a Comic Book" is the twenty-first and penultimate episode of the second season (and the de facto season finale) of the American animated television series The Simpsons. It originally aired on Fox in the United States on May 9, 1991. In the episode, Bart finds the rare first issue of Radioactive Man for sale at a comic book convention. Unable to afford it, he convinces Martin and Milhouse to pool their money to buy the valuable comic, only to see it destroyed by their selfishness and inability to share. This episode contains the first appearance of the Android's Dungeon and its owner, Comic Book Guy, voiced by Hank Azaria.

The episode was written by Jeff Martin and directed by Wes Archer. It features cultural references to comic book characters such as Richie Rich and Casper the Friendly Ghost.

Since airing, the episode has received generally positive reviews from television critics for its use of parodies and cultural references. It acquired a Nielsen rating of 12.9, and was the highest-rated show on Fox the week it aired.

Plot
While attending a comic book convention dressed as his superhero alter ego Bartman, Bart finds the first issue of Radioactive Man selling for $100 at Comic Book Guy's Android's Dungeon. Since he does not have enough money to buy it, he decides to get a job. Bart performs back-breaking labor for Mrs. Glick, who gives him only fifty cents for all of his hard work, including weeding carnivorous plants, feeding Mrs Glick's cat, and scrubbing sludge off her roof.

When Bart sees Martin and Milhouse at the Android's Dungeon, attempting to buy the comic book and a Carl Yastremski baseball card, respectively, he persuades them to pool their money and buy the comic book. Since none of them is willing to let the comic book out of his sight, they spend the night together in Bart's treehouse. They get progressively more paranoid, and Bart grows convinced Martin and Milhouse are conspiring against him as a thunderstorm approaches.

When Martin gets up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom, Bart thinks he plans to steal the comic and ties him up. Milhouse tries to alert Marge that Bart has gone crazy, but Bart thinks he is making a move for the comic and tackles him. Milhouse falls over the side of the treehouse, but Bart catches him precariously by his sleeve. Milhouse admits to Bart he only wanted the Yastrzemski card to begin with, not the comic. When a gale of wind takes hold of the comic, Bart is forced to decide between grabbing it and rescuing Milhouse. After Bart pulls Milhouse to safety, the comic blows out the door and onto the ground, where it is shredded by Santa's Little Helper and struck by lightning. The next morning, the three boys reflect on how their inability to share the comic led to its destruction, while a bird lines its nest with a scrap from the last page.

Production

The episode was written by Jeff Martin and directed by Wes Archer. Characters making their first appearances on the show are Comic Book Guy, Mrs. Glick, Radioactive Man, Fallout Boy, and Bartman.

Although many suggestions state that Comic Book Guy was inspired by the show's creator Matt Groening, Comic Book Guy was partly inspired by a clerk at the Los Angeles Amok bookshop who, according to Simpsons writer George Meyer, often "[sat] on the high stool, kind of lording over the store with that supercilious attitude and eating behind the counter a big Styrofoam container full of fried clams with a lot of tartar sauce". Matt Groening noted: "I can't tell you how many times people have come up to me and said, 'I know who you based that comic book guy on. It's that comic-book guy right down the block.' And I have to tell them, 'No, it's comic-bookstore guy in America.'" Cast member Hank Azaria based Comic Book Guy's voice on a student who went by the name "F" and lived in the room next door at his college. According to Simpsons writer Mike Reiss, the writers "settled" on naming his store "The Android's Dungeon and Baseball Card Shop" after a late-night writing session, figuring they wouldn't see it after this episode.

Mrs. Glick was based on an old lady Martin and his brother used to do chores for when they were kids. Martin said they got to "pull weeds until [their] hands would bleed", and yet they were paid only two quarters for several hours of work. American actress Cloris Leachman provided the voice of Mrs. Glick in the episode.

The episode features a parody of The Wonder Years, in which Bart stares into the distance after realizing he has to get his first job, and an older version of Bart's voice is heard saying "I didn't realize it at the time, but a little piece of my childhood had slipped away forever." Daniel Stern guest starred as the voice of the adult Bart, just like he did for the adult voice of the character Kevin in the television show The Wonder Years (he had also featured with Yeardley Smith in the movie City Slickers around the time this episode was produced). Reiss stated Stern was a "pleasure" to work with, and it took him only a few minutes to record his lines. Stern's younger brother David M. Stern worked as a writer on both The Simpsons and The Wonder Years, so he helped the writers get the idioms and the wording of the parody right.

When a rerun of this episode aired in 1992, a brief tribute to The Cosby Show aired following the end credits. The Cosby Show ended on April 30, 1992, and the tribute featured Bart and Homer discussing the quality of the show, and its importance to Bill Cosby.

Cultural references

At the beginning of the episode, Lisa reveals that she collects Casper the Friendly Ghost and Richie Rich comics, and Homer makes reference to Wonder Woman. Radioactive Man's origin is nearly identical to the Marvel Comics character The Incredible Hulk, as they each had gained superpowers from absorbing massive amounts of gamma radiation during an experiment. The warning from the convention MC not to ask questions about the death of Radioactive Man's actor Dirk Richter is a reference to the mysterious death of Superman's actor George Reeves, although the addition of bordello could also be a reference to the unsolved 1978 murder of Bob Crane.

When Bart asks Homer for money to buy the comic book, Homer replies: "One hundred bucks? For a comic book?! Who drew it, Micha-ma-langelo?" This is a reference to the Italian painter and sculptor Michelangelo, whose name Homer cannot pronounce. Bart's inner monologue in the diner scene is a parody of the narration in the coming-of-age comedy-drama series The Wonder Years and was voiced by Wonder Years actor Daniel Stern.

Milhouse initially goes into the comic store to buy a 1973 Topps card of the former Boston Red Sox player, Carl Yastrzemski, "when he had the big sideburns". When the boys first unwrap the comic book, Martin describes it as "[T]he stuff dreams are made of", which is how Bogart's character describes the Maltese Falcon at the end of the movie, The Maltese Falcon. The Radioactive Man commercial for Laramie cigarettes is a takeoff on The Flintstones characters' starring in Winston commercials in the 1960s. When Bart begs Mrs. Glick not to apply iodine to his wounded arm, she grabs his arm and the scene shifts to their silhouettes as Bart screams, mirroring a scene in the 1939 film Gone with the Wind. The accusation and suspicion that grows between the boys is similar to the plot of the film The Treasure of the Sierra Madre.

When Martin makes a squealing noise while falling in the treehouse, Bart calls him "Piggy" and threatens to stuff an apple into his mouth, resembling a similar quote from the book Lord of the Flies (1954), by William Golding. Bart trying to save Milhouse from falling from the treehouse is a reference to a scene in the film from Alfred Hitchcock from 1942, Saboteur. The title of the episode is a reference to the 1987 comedy film Three Men and a Baby in which three men have to take delicate care of a baby.

Reception
In its original broadcast, "Three Men and a Comic Book" finished twenty-third in the ratings for the week of May 6–12, 1991, with a Nielsen rating of 12.9, equivalent to twelve million viewing households. The episode was the highest-rated show on Fox that week. It was the first time The Simpsons beat The Cosby Show in the ratings.

Since airing, the episode has received mostly positive reviews from television critics. DVD Movie Guide's Colin Jacobson lauded it for its use of new characters, commenting that "of all season two's Bart-focused episodes, only 'Bart the Daredevil' offers competition with 'Comic' as the best of the bunch. It's a tough call, but I'll take 'Comic' in a squeaker. The show melds the series' deft satirical tone with exceptional character development. Bart seems to grow especially strongly, and his psychological meltdown in the third act is hilarious."

"Three Men and a Comic Book" was named the best episode of the season by IGN. The authors of the book I Can't Believe It's a Bigger and Better Updated Unofficial Simpsons Guide, Warren Martyn and Adrian Wood, commented that unless you have a "passing understanding of comic books and their buyers' behaviour, some of the jokes will pass you by". Doug Pratt, a DVD reviewer and Rolling Stone contributor, criticized the episode for not being inspired enough, and added that the Wonder Years parody "seems pointless". "Three Men and a Comic Book" is Bryce Wilson of Cinema Blend's favorite episode of the season. Wilson praised the episode for its cultural references, calling them "true greatness".

Surrey Now's Michael Roberds praised the Treasure of the Sierra Madre parody, saying it is "one of the more clever film parodies hidden within a typical Simpsons plot". Colin Kennedy of Empire called the Treasure of the Sierra Madre parody the ninth-best film parody of the show, commenting that "Bart turns [into] a perfect Bogart – grizzled, paranoid and sleep-deprived. With lighting and camera angles half inched from Huston, this priceless gag is joyfully pitched over the heads of 90 percent of the audience." The episode's reference to Saboteur was named the 25th greatest film reference in the history of the show by Total Film ' s Nathan Ditum.

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Hodder & Stoughton

Hodder & Stoughton is a British publishing house, now an imprint of Hachette.

Early history

The firm has its origins in the 1840s, with Matthew Hodder's employment, aged 14, with Messrs Jackson and Walford, the official publisher for the Congregational Union. In 1861 the firm became Jackson, Walford and Hodder; but in 1868 Jackson and Walford retired, and Thomas Wilberforce Stoughton joined the firm, creating Hodder & Stoughton.

Hodder & Stoughton published both religious and secular works, and its religious list contained some progressive titles. These included George Adam Smith's Isaiah for its Expositor’s Bible series, which was one of the earliest texts to identify multiple authorship in the Book of Isaiah. There was also a sympathetic Life of St Francis by Paul Sabatier, a French Protestant pastor. Matthew Hodder made frequent visits to North America, meeting with the Moody Press and making links with Scribners and Fleming H. Revell.

The secular list only gradually accepted fiction, and it was still subject to "moral censorship" in the early part of the 20th century. Matthew Hodder was doubtful about the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam, and the company refused Michael Arlen's The Green Hat, a novel published by Collins in 1924. In 1922, Hodder and Stoughton published an edition of Lewis Carroll's Alice's Adventures in Wonderland.

The 1920s brought an explosion of commercial fiction at keen prices – Hodder's "Yellow Jackets" series were the precursors of the first paperbacks, and included bestsellers from John Buchan, Edgar Wallace, Dornford Yates and Sapper's Bulldog Drummond. In 1928, the company became the exclusive British hardback publisher of Leslie Charteris's adventure novel series, The Saint, publishing all 50 UK first editions of the series until 1983. In this decade they also took over ownership of the medical journal The Lancet.

Hodder & Stoughton were also the originators of the Teach Yourself line of self-instruction books, which are still published through Hodder Headline's educational division. As the company expanded at home and overseas, Hodder & Stoughton's list swelled to include the real-life adventures in Peary's North Pole and several works by Winston Churchill.

During the war, Ralph Hodder Williams set up the Brockhampton Book Co. to sell off overstocks of theological works. The manager, Ernest Roker, had an interest in children's books and managed to persuade author Enid Blyton to write a series of books for them about four children and a dog. In 1942, the Famous Five series was born with Five on a Treasure Island. In 1962, Brockhampton took over the children's writer Elinor Lyon, whose novels the parent company had introduced in 1948.

Hodder & Stoughton also published the Biggles books by Captain W. E. Johns, after he moved publishers from the Oxford University Press during the Second World War. Hodder & Stoughton published their first original Biggles book in 1942 with Biggles Sweeps the Desert around September/October of that year (they had previously published a reprint of Biggles Flies East in May 1942) and the Brockhampton Press published Johns' Gimlet books from 1947. From 1953, Brockhampton Press would also publish Biggles books, alternating with Hodder & Stoughton and Captain W. E. Johns remained with them until his death in 1968, with the last Hodder & Stoughton Biggles book appearing in August 1965 and the last Brockhampton Press Biggles book appearing in July 1970. Hodder & Stoughton also published some of Johns' Worrals books. Hodder & Stoughton eventually published 35 Biggles first editions and Brockhampton Press published a further 29 Biggles first editions.

Post-war years
In 1953 they published Sir John Hunt's successful The Ascent of Everest, and began their long association with thriller writer John Creasey. In the 1970s, they brought the Knight and Coronet imprints into common use. The latter is particularly memorable for David Niven's much-celebrated autobiography The Moon's a Balloon.

In the 1960s the Hodder and Stoughton fiction list broadened to include many quality commercial authors, including Mary Stewart whose works included Madam, Will You Talk? and sold millions of copies worldwide. The non-fiction publishing included Anthony Sampson's era-defining The Anatomy of Britain in 1962. Another notable title in the children's sphere was the 1969 Brockhampton Press publication of Asterix the Gaul by Goscinny and Uderzo.

In 1974, John le Carré’s Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy was published to much critical acclaim, earning him a Literary Guild Choice. The following year, previous employee John Attenborough published A Living Memory of Hodder. In 1981, the company acquired the New English Library, an imprint created by the American Times Mirror Company that published works from several genres including fantasy, science fiction and suspense and included books by James Herbert and Stephen King.

In 1986, Hodder & Stoughton introduced Sceptre as a literary imprint to sit alongside mass-market imprints Coronet and NEL. Originally publishing in paperback only, early books on the Sceptre list included Thomas Keneally’s Schindler's Ark which had won the Booker Prize in 1982. Hodder & Stoughton also won the Booker Prize in 1985 with the publication of Keri Hulme’s The Bone People, originally acquired from its New Zealand office.

Other notable books on the Hodder & Stoughton list in this decade include Rosamunde Pilcher’s The Shell Seekers, Elizabeth George’s A Great Deliverance and the first novel in Jean M. Auel’s prehistoric fiction series Earth’s Children® The Clan of the Cave Bear, which was an international success and the series, completed with the publication of The Land of Painted Caves in 2011, has sold more than 45 million copies worldwide.

The Lancet was sold to Elsevier in 1991. In 1993, Headline bought Hodder & Stoughton and the company became a division of Hodder Headline Ltd. In 1997 Sceptre published Charles Frazier’s Cold Mountain and the following year Hodder & Stoughton released Sir Alex Ferguson’s much-lauded autobiography Managing My Life.

In 1999, Hodder Headline was acquired by W H Smith. Also in 1999, Hodder acquired the children's publisher Wayland Publishers from Wolters Kluwer.

21st century
In 2002 Hodder Headline Ltd acquired John Murray and two years later Hodder Headline was bought by Hachette Livre, which already owned British publishers Orion and Octopus. When Hachette also acquired Time Warner Book Group (now Little, Brown) it became the UK’s lead publisher. The Hodder & Stoughton fiction list is now home to John Connolly, Jeffery Deaver, John Grisham, Sophie Hannah, Stephen King, Jodi Picoult, Peter Robinson and Robyn Young. The 2009 publication of David Nicholls’ One Day heralded another international success. David wrote the screenplay for the 2011 film adaptation, directed by Lone Scherfig and the book has sold more than two million copies worldwide.

On 7 July 2010 they released Stephen King's Under the Dome with four cover versions.

In 2014, Hodder acquired the independent publisher Quercus.

Imprints

 * Coronet Books
 * English Universities Press
 * Firefly
 * Flame - for young people
 * Hodder Faith
 * Hodder Moa Beckett (New Zealand)
 * Hodder & Stoughton
 * Hodder Children's Books
 * Hodder Paperbacks Limited
 * Knight Books
 * John Murray
 * Mulholland
 * Quercus
 * Sceptre
 * Saltyard
 * Two Roads
 * Yellow Kite

Book series

 * The "Biggles" Books
 * The Christian Evidence Society's Lectures
 * Days With the Poets (At Least 19 titles - Mostly written by Mary Clarissa May Byron under various pseudonyms)
 * Expositor's Bible
 * The Famous Five
 * Hodder & Stoughton Christian Classics
 * Hodder & Stoughton Crown Octavo
 * Hodder & Stoughton Demy Octavo
 * Hodder & Stoughton Black Jackets
 * Hodder & Stoughton 2/- Yellow Jackets
 * Hodder & Stoughton 9d Yellow Jackets
 * Hodder & Stoughton Yellow Jacket Service Editions
 * The King's England
 * A New Philosophical and Theological Library
 * The Saint
 * Teach Yourself Books
 * The "Worrals" Books

Notable publications
• 1883 Natural Law in the Spiritual World - Henry Drummund

• 1881 From Log-cabin to White House - William M. Thayer

• 1896 The Personal Life of Queen Victoria - Sarah Tooley

• 1911 Peter Pan and Wendy - J.M Barrie

•     The Lord Kitchener Memorial Book - Sir Hedley Le Bas (editor)

• 1919 Collected Verse - Rudyard Kipling

• 1927 Blind Corner - Dornford Yates

• 1934 Goodbye Mr Chips - James Hilton

• 1939 Oliver Cromwell - John Buchan

• 1942 The Queen's Book of the Red Cross

• 1942 Five on a Treasure Island - Enid Blyton

• 1942 Biggles Sweeps the Desert - Captain W. E. Johns

• 1944 Green Dolphin Country - Elizabeth Goudge

• 1952 The Colditz Story - P. R. Reid

• 1953 The Ascent of Everest - John Hunt

• 1954 Katharine - Anya Seton

• 1962 The IPCRESS File - Len Deighton

• 1962 The Anatomy of Britain - Anthony Sampson

• 1969 Asterix the Gaul - Goscinny and Uderzo

• 1970 Love Story - Erich Segal

• 1973 The Moon's a Balloon - David Niven

• 1974 Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy - John le Carré

• 1980 The Clan of the Cave Bear - Jean M. Auel

• 1982 Schindler's Ark - Thomas Keneally

• 1985 The Bone People - Keri Hulme

• 1986 Bangladesh: A Legacy of Blood - Anthony Mascarenhas

• 1988 The Shell Seekers - Rosamund Pilcher

• 1988 A Great Deliverance - Elizabeth George

• 1997 Cold Mountain - Charles Frazier

• 1998 Managing My Life - Alex Ferguson

• 2001 The Eyre Affair - Jasper Fforde

• 2002 Kylie: La La La - Kylie Minogue & William Baker

• 2005 My Sister's Keeper - Jodi Picoult

• 2008 My Booky Wook - Russell Brand

• 2009 The Other Hand - Chris Cleave

• 2009 One Day - David Nicholls

• 2010 Under the Dome - Stephen King

• 2010 A Street Cat Named Bob - James Bowen

• 2011 The Land of Painted Caves - Jean Auel

• 2011 The Litigators - John Grisham

• 2014 Playing It My Way - Sachin Tendulkar

• 2015 The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet - Becky Chambers

• 2016 100 Things Successful People Do - Nigel Cumberland

• 2019 The Blues Comes With Good News - Sonny Hall

• 2020 The Secret Life of a Vet - Rory Cowlam

• 2020 Beyond Possible: One Soldier, Fourteen Peaks - Nirmal Purja

• 2020 Billion Dollar Loser - Reeves Wiedeman

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User:Reason.

Reason Above Passion

Hello, I'm Reason. I'm 23 years old and hail from Ontario, Canada. I've been an avid reader and sometime anonymous editor of Wikipedia for awhile, and I figured I could be more helpful and interactive with a username. I think Wikipedia is a vital project, the sort of project we need more of. I believe we need to strongly encourage the free trade of information and that Wikipedia is one of the best conduits for this today.

I try and practice my little slogan in every aspect of life, and find that reason has remarkable rewards and abilities, even in this world where so many will not reason. My political views are suited accordingly, across the left and right. I tend to go with whichever solution to a particular situation makes most sense to me, and no one party has ever had even 20% of the right answers as I've understood them.

I am always open to discussion on any issue, and my mind is always open to change. Adaptation is a wonderful human quality, and the essence of a rational mind. I've only written 2 articles so far, one small and one of length, but I enjoyed the experience and I will definitely continue to submit. Having a community of editors is just awesome.

I'll be adding to this profile as time passes, feel free to leave any notes concerning anything on my talk page, and thanks for checking me out.

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Talk:J. J. Cale

Name
Removed comment:
 * "Actually, the story about Cale's name was made up by a drunk French "Journalist" Cale refused to talk to."

Cite, please? -- The Anome 11:35, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Cover songs
Does anybody else think this list would be easier to read if it was organized by song, rather than by covering artist?Paulmeisel 00:54, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Yup. LiamE 15:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, I think Bob Dylan's "Cocaine" (the lyric goes "cocaine around my mind...")has nothing to do with Cale's. And spiritualized "run" isn't really a cover, it just cites Cale in the lyrics. Didn't remove either of them because I'am not sure, maybe Dylan really has a cover version of Cale's song. --201.215.140.150 (talk) 22:33, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I did a bit of work to streamline the article and add some information to describe Cale's style and relationship to the "Tulsa Sound" which is really such a loose concept that it's not very informative. I also added a mention of The Road to Escondido and an explanation of the origins of the "J.J." stage name (though not of the whole Jean Jacques BS). This came straight out of Cale's mouth in the To Tulsa And Back DVD but i'm rather new to editing and i don't know how to cite that. Sebs26 21:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

 * The cover songs section needs to be trimmed back.  SilkTork  *YES! 10:32, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't this article include the "I've got the same old blues" 1977 cover by Bobby Bland (from the lp: "Reflections in Blue" ABC Records AB-1018? Rebelbygrace (talk) 15:39, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Tulsa Sound: "Laid Back"
I am not sure "laid back" correctly describes JJ Cale -- he is certainly reserved, but his topic material is anything but "laid back."

I know him best for his "Bringing it back from Mexico" played best by Kansas.

I will add this to the "covers" section when I confirm it's his song, etc.
 * Stupid me, it's "Bringing it back" w/o "from Mexico"--John Bessa (talk) 16:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

J.J. vs J. J. vs JJ
Wikipedia lists this artist as "J. J. Cale" (with space) while Last.fm lists him as J.J. Cale (without space) and his offical website as "JJ Cale" (without dots and space). I would say that the official site would be a good source for his name. Do we need to change the page name? I'm surprised this "issue" hasn't been mentioned before. -- Sander (talk) 17:14, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, but it's probably related to a policy about naming conventions for Wikipedia. At one time the article title was "J.J. Cale" (without the space), but it was changed to what it is now by an admin. All versions redirect to the article. Ward3001 (talk) 18:33, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright, that's clear. Thanks. -- Sander (talk) 13:34, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The cover of my compilation CD album "Special Edition" has JJ, but the spine and sleeve notes have J.J. (!) I would say the American English convention is J.J. and the British English convention is JJ. Go figure... Isidore (talk) 19:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't it be his choice? I have usually seen it as JJ Cale. Why don't we ask him?--John Bessa (talk) 15:58, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

As the official website, and most sources list the name as JJ Cale, I have moved the article to that name. I have also shown the common alternative J.J. Cale. J. J. Cale doesn't appear to be a version used that much (though there may be sources - I have done a fairly quick search).  SilkTork  *YES! 10:32, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Guitar style
Somebody with greater insight than me might want to write a paragraph about his guitar style, which was very influential, not only on Eric Clapton in the early 70s, but also on Mark Knopfler. 88.72.243.183 (talk) 20:31, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Fully protected
I have fully protected this article for the next three days. I'm not seeing any reliable sources that confirm his supposed death, and there is at least some evidence that this may be yet another hoax. If any reliable sources can be provided, I will be happy to remove the protection early. --Bongwarrior (talk) 13:13, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * So you didn't see the very first reference that was listed in the article when you reverted it? How on Earth can you call Corriere della Sera unreliable? Phil Bridger (talk) 13:16, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * JJ Cale isn't some random nobody. If he has died, there should be much more press than I'm seeing. Reliable or not, they might have gotten this one wrong. --Bongwarrior (talk) 13:25, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * confirms his death, and does his Facebook page. That should suffice. --Mystery Roach (talk) 13:36, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Utterly ridiculous! It's in all decent newspapaer, his agency sent an email around, and it's pretty clear on his website jjcale.com ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.170.100.126 (talk) 13:37, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

 * CNN official enough? Sunnydoo (talk) 13:54, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

 * This page should be updated. His facebook page and agency report it.  If that's not official enough, what is? Carlo (talk) 14:00, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

 * His Facebook and his agency aren't really the best sources to use, but there are now enough other sources that I feel comfortable unprotecting the page. I apologize for the delay, but in these types of situations we really can't be too careful - they turn out to be fake as often as they turn out to be true, and the available information at the time was throwing up some red flags for me. --Bongwarrior (talk) 14:11, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Death hoax
Both Cale's own page and his agency's state he passed away July 26, 2013. calls it a hoax. Hm. -- nolaro 13:20, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

 * You sure? I wouldn't.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/27/showbiz/jj-cale-obit/?hpt=hp_t3 http://ecodiario.eleconomista.es/musica/noticias/5027243/07/13/Fallece-el-musico-JJ-Cale-de-un-ataque-al-corazon.html http://www.corriere.it/spettacoli/13_luglio_27/JJCale-morte_4ee98e54-f6b4-11e2-9839-a8732bb379b1.shtml Glyniss (talk) 13:51, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Reread the site of his agency . It's updated with a statement that he died of a heart attack.

none 15:56, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Mediamass is not, and doesn't even claim to be, a reliable source. It's a parody. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:34, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Just to make this perfectly clear, whatever any other sources may say: the official JJ Cale website announced the following: "JJ Cale passed away at 8:00 pm on Friday July 26at Scripps Hospital in La Jolla, CA." JJ Cale official website. Retrieved 27 July 2013. End of subject. --Technopat (talk) 20:23, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 July 2013
I just wanted to put that JJ Cale has died, see http://www.noise11.com/news/j-j-cale-dies-from-heart-attack-at-age-74-20130727

John Cossham, York, UK 13:51, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

In here it says its a hoax  201.214.24.205 (talk) 16:22, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Mediamass doesn't even pretend to be a reliable source. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:00, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Any Way The Wind Blows
This song was a huge hit. I can't think of a song of his that is better known, aside from After Midnight (via Clapton) and Magnolia. Yet Any Way The Wind Blows Isn't mentioned at all in the article. Bizarre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.147.130.17 (talk) 16:46, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The media reports of his death that I have read seem to consider "After Midnight" and "Cocaine" as his two biggest songs, and I haven't seen any that mention "Any Way The Wind Blows". We try to keep our balance of coverage in line with what reliable sources say, rather than our own opinions. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:59, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Surely his biggest U.S. hit single, "Crazy Mama", also in need of some attention? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:55, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

solo unreleased album
Hi. Does anyone know of an unreleased studio album that he did whilst in Germany. cant find reference on the page to this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.226.153.191 (talk) 17:28, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

(I got the) same old blues...
Pardon my ignorance, but while I know both Cale's original and Lynyrd Skynyrd's cover, I don't know Captain Beefheart's "Same Old Blues". Is it, as I suspect, the same song? If so, please modify the intro accordingly. --Technopat (talk) 00:16, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, it is the same song. I've changed the lede, but it could do with some work. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 01:20, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * And now it's all gone as the lead has been, rightly, shortened. Would make a good section lower down perhaps, with only the most famous (ie Clapton-covered) songs at the top. Rothorpe (talk) 01:56, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * ( from the wonderful Bluejeans & Moonbeams (1974). Martinevans123 (talk) 09:10, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Married with Christine Lakeland?
The main text on "http://www.jjcale.com/" is signed with "christine lakeland cale"? Were they married? --46.14.25.87 (talk) 22:22, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

 * looks like it, she even got an article saying it:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Lakeland
 * someone with better wikipedia knowledge should update the jj article ;) --87.164.54.52 (talk) 06:59, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I've linked the "Air Force Institute of Technology in Champaign, Illinois" with the Chanute Air Force Base, decommissioned in 1993, although the article makes no mention of "Institute of Technology". The only current Air Force Institute of Technology I can see is the one at Dayton, Ohio. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:12, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 8 June 2016

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Opposers' arguments don't hold much water.  Event horizon51  (talk) 17:44, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

JJ Cale → J. J. Cale – Per WP:SPACEINITS. Sources (and indeed official recordings) use a variety of methods for initials and spacing, so there is no "correct" or uniform way of rendering his name. Therefore we should default to our MOS. Rob Sinden (talk) 10:01, 8 June 2016 (UTC) --Relisting.  Anarchyte  ( work  |  talk )   08:17, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I understand the frustration. But he wasn't "J. J. Cale" he was "J. W. Cale", wasn't he? Maybe B.B. King is a similar case (but he escapes WP:SPACEINITS)? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:12, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I get your point that they're not his actual initials, but should that matter when deciding here? If there was an "official" rendering, then sure, but as there seems to be no uniform usage, our own MOS seems the best option to follow.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 11:21, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I suspect you will get the support of such editors as User:SMcCandlish who argues that the styles used by record companies, for names and titles, are irrelevant. I tend to see album titles as providing justification. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:29, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The only thing making me think that we're in a grey area here is that it is not his real name. But as each album cover seems to style it differently, we can't treat it as if it were a WP:SPNC.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 11:35, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I see there are quite a few articles that begin "JJ". Would it be worth having a quick look at those too? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:38, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there's a few, but not as many as I might have thought. There are a couple where WP:SPNC seems to apply, but of course some could just have been named without consideration being given to the MOS.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 11:50, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Just to note - there was some discussion about this in 2009 (see earlier thread). Martinevans123 (talk) 18:04, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

 * Support – All variations including "J. J. Cale" appear on album covers (like this one); we should go with "normal" style per MOS:TM. Dicklyon (talk) 16:06, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * But if we're using album and single covers as a guide here, we also need to consider this one, this one, this one, this one, this one, this one, this one, this one, this one and this one? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:29, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * They have all been considered. Per MOS:TM, if the "normal" style is among those in use, then that's what we should use.  Dicklyon (talk) 16:45, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * What a relief. But MOS:TM pays no heed to frequency? If the (WP idea) of "normal" style (which in this case misrepresents his real initials) was, say, one in a hundred, the answer would be the same? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:39, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

 * Oppose. No space is common for Cale's releases. Unreal7 (talk) 07:51, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * With space is also common, and WP:COMMONNAME simply is not a style policy to begin with; it's a policy for determining what the common name, however styled it may be (i.e. "J. J. Cale" vs. "J. W. Cale" or "Snorkel McThunderfoot").  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  22:32, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Support: seems to be the case across pages, such as J. R. R. Tolkien. DaltonCastle (talk) 00:51, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

 * Oppose per Unreal7.  Calidum   ¤   04:33, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * But Unreal7's rationale has no basis.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  22:32, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Unreal7's rationale has a basis in real life, it just doesn't fit with WP:COMMONNAME. But you also say "With space is also common" suggesting this is a perfectly valid consideration? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:36, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

 * Oppose: per Unreal7, see this link for an example. Ebonelm (talk) 16:42, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Conversely, see this link --Rob Sinden (talk) 15:53, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

(For the record, I don't actually support MoS saying to use spaces between initials and to use periods after them regardless of dialect, but we've had a stable consensus to do both for over a decade, and it isn't likely to change. Policy is certainly not changed by voting with one's personal peccadilloes at RM against what the rules say to do. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  22:32, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Support: Per MoS, per WP:CONSISTENCY, and because WP:COMMONNAME is not a style policy (plus the evidence that no particular stylization for this name is used consistently in real-world sources). What a cherry-picked album cover says does not matter. Whether it's his "real" name or not is completely irrelevant. J. J. Cale, not J. W. Cale, is his real name for public purposes and thus, per COMMONNAME's  applicability here, also for WP purposes. If he were a fictional character, not real at all, we'd still use the same "J. J. Cale" style. Michael J. Fox legally has no real middle name, but he's still "Michael J. Fox" here and to the public, not "Michael Fox", or "MichaelJ Fox", or "Michael-J Fox" or "Michael J Fox" or "M. J. Fox" or "MJ Fox" or whatever. In all of these MoS questions, from MOS:CAPS to MOS:TM, it's always the same: Do it the MoS way, unless reliable sources overwhelmingly consistently support an unusual stylization. That isn't the case here, just as it is not for styling Pink (singer) as "P!nk"; these cases are not like k.d. lang and Deadmau5, where almost all sources go along with the odd stylization.  So, follow MoS like we do for everyone else, and move on.
 * I can confirm that he wasn't fictional, but was quite real. But it seems that MoS well and truly trounces any views that might form a local consensus here. Lucky that Michael doesn't call himself MichaelJ Fox, eh? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:44, 15 June 2016 (UTC) personal peccadilloes? are they like Michael J Portillo's' Portilistas??

 * Support. If usage is all over the place, go with the MOS.  —  AjaxSmack   00:56, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

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